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🤡 The tail wags the dog: Zelensky had a meaningful discussion with Duda about the future NATO summit in Vilnius
NATO countries, probably, except for Poland and the EU ministries, do not want to see Ukraine in NATO. However, this does not prevent Zelensky from “substantially”… pic.twitter.com/7HLb9ZzzyS
— Zlatti71 (@djuric_zlatko) July 9, 2023
Zelensky and Duda remembering the victims of the Volhynia massacre where tens of thousands of Poles got killed by Ukrainian nationalists.
— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) July 9, 2023
Old Zelensky, that wily Jew, might face a backlash for this.
This whole “homosexual Jewish neo-Nazism” thing might not be as secure as you think it is. It seems to make a lot of sense, given that every neo-Nazi group I’m aware of was run by Jews and homosexuals. The longtime leader of the American Nazi Party, Frank Collin (née Cohen), was a Jewish homosexual.
But you can’t really have your Jewish leader out there talking trash about your neo-Nazi heroes.
The Ukrainian and Polish presidents marked the anniversary of massacres of Poles by Ukrainian nationalists during World War Two on Sunday, killings that have been a source of tension between the allies.
Warsaw has positioned itself as one of Kyiv’s staunchest supporters since Russia invaded the country in 2022.
Poles have always hated the Ukrainians. They viewed them (accurately) as Russians.
I don’t think their views have changed. They think it’s funny that more than a quarter of a million Ukrainians have died in this stupid, pointless war, and they are excited that the Ukraine population is half of what it was. They have a plan to take territory.
However, the Volhynia massacre, in which historians say tens of thousands of Poles perished, has continued to hang over ties between the two nations and become more prominent ahead of the July 11 anniversary of one of the bloodiest days of a series of killings that took place from 1943 to 1945.
Television footage showed Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his Polish counterpart Andrzej Duda in a church in the western Ukrainian city of Lutsk on Sunday during a service held in memory of the victims.
Zelensky has vowed to never wear anything other than green shirts until Russians cease to exist.
Polish historians say that up to 12,000 Ukrainians were also killed in Polish retaliatory operations.
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In a post on Twitter, Zelenskiy said he had a “brief but very substantive” discussion at the event with Duda about the upcoming NATO summit in Vilnius, where Ukraine is hoping for decisions that will hasten its goal of membership in the alliance.
During the events in Lutsk, @AndrzejDuda and I had a brief but very substantive discussion about the upcoming @NATO Summit in Vilnius. We agreed to work together to get the best possible result for Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/excDfFEXMr
— Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) July 9, 2023
The head of Duda’s office said the fact that the presidents were commemorating the victims together was “historic”, but that more work was needed.
“This is not the end of this difficult road, explaining to our Ukrainian friends about the historical truth, it will of course be continued,” Pawel Szrot told private broadcaster Polsat News.
The Polish parliament has said that the murders, carried out between 1943 and 1945 by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists under the leadership of Stepan Bandera, bore elements of genocide.
For the record, Bandera was not even a Nazi. You could maybe call him a “neo-Nazi,” since that term appears to mean “sadistic thugs who murder random people and are in league with the Jews.”
People don’t seem to be aware that Bandera spent most of the war in a German concentration camp. Unlike neo-Nazis, the real Nazis were against murdering random people. Bandera used the fog of war to carry out his agenda of ethnically cleansing Galicia of Poles, and did South Africa-style farm murders of Polish peasants, so the Germans put him in a camp.
From the local hospital, Bandera first took all the Ukrainians, the staff was hacked to death with axes, and the hospital was set on fire along with the Poles who were inside. In total, up to 800 people were killed (mostly burned alive). The village ceased to exist.
— Sinnaig banned account (@Sinnaig) April 23, 2023
Then, in 1944, when the war was going badly for the Germans, they let him out and told him to go fight the Red Army. Instead, while the Ukraine was being overrun by the Russians, he just went back to killing rando Poles in Galicia. He showed zero interest in fighting the Russians.
I think he was legitimately the first “Ukrainian nationalist,” for what that’s worth (no one had previously considered the Russian peasants in the Pale of the Settlement who spoke a bastardized version of Russian featuring Polish words and grammar to be “a nation”). He hated Russians, but in his actions he seemed almost ambivalent about the USSR. The Germans gave him two chances to fight the Russians, and he declined both times, choosing to go into territory already controlled by Germans and kill random Poles. That was his whole thing.
He also did not dislike Jews. Earlier in his life, he wrote negatively about them, following others in the “Ukraine nationalism” movement, but later he viewed them as allies against the Poles.
After the war, he went to work for West German intelligence until he was eventually assassinated by the KGB in 1959.
Everything I just said can be found in any book about Bandera. I read one last year that I don’t remember the name of. I think they’ve messed with his Wikipedia page since the war started, but most of this stuff would still be there.
The whole framing of him as a “Nazi” is really dumb, and an insult to the Nazis. He was literally not even anti-Semitic. You can’t be a Nazi and not dislike the Jews.
Bandera has been used by the Americans to create this new identity for the Ukrainians. This obviously creates a big problem for the Poles. They use Nazi symbols, because they think they’re cool. Bandera was never a member of the Nazi Party or any Nazi organization – again, he was in a concentration camp from 41 to 44 because he was committing all of these atrocities.
No one is going to go out there and say “Hitler locked this guy up to protect Polish farmers.” That doesn’t really fit anyone’s narrative.
Furthermore, you’d think the fact that this guy went and worked for the other side after the war – effectively an American agent in occupied Berlin – would tarnish his hero status.
Of course, who he was as an historical figure is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is his role in this narrative that American spooks have built up around him. He is portrayed as a Nazi and a hero who fought Russians and founded the Ukrainian state.
Zelensky has really resisted denouncing him. But the Poles kept on pressing.
It’s one thing I actually agree with the Poles about. Bandera was a deranged psychopathic mass murderer.
But I doubt Zelensky’s boys are going to think much of this. Zelensky has argued that he is the inheritor of Bandera’s legacy, and now he’s out there with the Poles – the great enemy of the Ukraine – denouncing the hero.
Elvis Dunderhoff contributed to this article.
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Gawd this whole Ukrainian Neo Nazi thing has been beaten to death five times over. They’re just a bunch of violent and disgusting Russophobic bikers who are slaves to gay Zionist-Globalists Jews. They care nothing for actual nationalist socialist ideology; the economic or political aspects of it. The Azov Battalion sucks and are the enemies of European freedom and the white race as they serve our enemies. They will be crushed. Fuck them!
Of related interest.
https://bigcountryexpat.com/index.php/2023/07/08/well-thiss-been-a-full-weekend-and-medvedevs-response-to-teh-stoopidz/
What do you mean beaten to death? It is still alive and more than kicking. And the Anglo-Zionist Empire would love nothing more than to spread it like super cancer, creating specific forms orf every nationality/ethnicity that was part of Christendom.
Interesting to me in this blog is that Frank Collin was not just a Jew, but a Cohen. Years ago, I was having a heated scission with a Liberal Jew about the very issue of Jews, and WASP imperialists, starting and funding Neo-Nazi groups for their benefit, and the Jew said I was insane and pointed to Collin. He said Collin was an Irish Catholic and the American Neo-Nazis always were run by Catholics and former Catholics.
this is where it starts to get good. duda has to lick zelensky’s ass, but finds it distasteful, as it stinks of bandera shit. so he tells zelensky that he will have to wash all the banderite asses in ukraine, to receive more ass licking.
now old zelensky will have to explain personal hygiene, to the banderite thugs. this won’t be easy, as most of them killed their own mothers, that had tried to get them to take a bath. zelensky understanding this, has now demanded, that nato send him large supplies of long knives, as quickly as possible. pass the popcorn, please.
Zelensky’s looking more buff these days,. He’s definitely been hitting the weights.
Now he just needs to get that leg lengthening process to add a few inches to his height.
Super story about the Ukraine hero’s!
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They’re Ready to Fight Again, on Artificial Legs
July 8, 2023
Nicholas Kristof
LVIV, Ukraine — The Superhumans Center is full of war amputees learning to walk on artificial limbs or smoking cigarettes clutched in prosthetic fingers.
Yet this philanthropically supported hospital for wounded Ukrainians is not antiseptically depressing, as hospitals often are. Perhaps that’s because of the admiration that Ukrainians feel for these veterans, leading them to carry their stumps with pride — and to plan a return to the front with artificial arms and legs.
“I do not see disabled people,” Oleksandra Kabanova said as she sat waiting for her husband, Oleh Spodin, to complete a physical therapy session. “I see superheroes.”
She eagerly shared the story of how Spodin lost his leg: He volunteered to go out and rescue a wounded comrade. “He’s very sexy without a leg,” she added, beaming.
That’s where I think Vladimir Putin miscalculated when he invaded Ukraine last year: He underappreciated Ukrainian grit and resilience. I suspect some Americans make the same mistake. Month after month, Ukrainians have lost buildings, heat, electricity, lives — yet they are ready to keep sacrificing, and there is a society-wide reverence for those who have given so much.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/08/opinion/ukraine-war-amputees.html
Bandera’s problem with the Nazis was that he wanted an independent Ukraine and they didn’t, which is why he spent most of WWII in German prisons/concentration camps.
is that anyway to speak of your fuhrer? perhaps they could just give him some of those dandy new artificial legs, you speak of, that are so in vogue these days. maybe even the ones with the spatulas, like oscar pistorius. who knows, he could become an olympic gold medalist, winning 7 gold medals in paris, next year!
anything’s possible now, he could even get snipped and compete as a woman. hell, a tranny was just crowned the most beautiful woman in holland and will now be competing in the miss universe contest (which makes more sense, shouldn’t miss universe have tentacles or green skin, you know, a “kirk woman”). what an inspirational story this will be, i can see the the rainbow uniforms of the ukrainian olympic team and the ukrainian flag is already a third of the way to the rainbow flag, it just might be the perfect time to rebrand. that’s assuming there’s an olympics next year, of course and also assuming there’s a paris. happy bastille day everyone!
Zelensky gets your juices flowing, does he?
(For globohomo every month is pride month.)
1. Not just Bandera is responsible for the genocide of over 500 000 Polish farming population in Eastern Poland but also Shuhevich, Lebed, Klachkivskiy and several other chauvinist Ukrainian henchmen.
2. Already in 1the 1960s the Polish government estimated the number of Polish infants, children and their parents in Eastern Poland bestially murdered between 1939 and 1947 to be approximately 500 000.
3. While the OUN/UPA armed bands murdered the Polish civilians, also a large number of Ukrainian civilians rushed to kill their neighbors with agricultural implements like pitchforks, axes, sickles and hammers.
4. Until now the Ukrainian government prohibits the mass graves of the genocide victims to be identified and exhumed despite several requests of the Polish government.
Stepan Bandera was placed by the SS in Sachsenhausen where he had to his disposal a fully equipped office with a telephone. He was free to leave and move about the town. SS gave him a monthly stipend.
It was all very curious.
This sort of sentimentality always sours. The vast majority of amputee soldiers in history end up depressed… and many attempt suicide.
You are a Jewish vampire.
The fact that this useless Bandera guy is the main hero of the “Ukraine” just shows what a pathetic country it is. Fact is, besides having been part of Russia, and therefore having some famous Russian writers who were born in the “Ukraine” region, the “Ukraine” has very little to show for it.
That they allow themselves to be used as pawns for Jewish warlords and kill and displace their own population for basically no reason at all is really sad, though. Such a waste.
Thank you Andrew and Elvis. What is in this article sounds right, but I was unaware he was disinterested in fighting Russians. In Stephan Bandera’s defense, his behavior was in retaliation for the atrocities Poles carried out against Ukrainians and Germans for 20 years until Germany’s invasion of Poland in 1939. This is where the big lie comes in. Media and historians have deliberately covered up newly created Poland’s horrible treatment of its minorities. I will make a follow up post to this on Poland’s brutal medieval torture of Ukrainians that forced many of them to flee the country. Many went to Canada.
It never fails to astonish me how the Ukrainians, with no conscious effort whatever, make the Russians seem completely truthful and trustworthy by comparison.
How do they do it?
It’s like watching someone repeatedly shove a camel through the eye of a needle. While your eyes are seeing it, your brain simply refuses to believe it despite the fact that it’s taking place before you.
(Does anyone else share my sense of amazement?)
I can only hope that quote was completely made up by the NYT because there is nothing whatever sexy about people having their leg blown off. I’ve read a great many stupid things in my time, but that (alleged) remark takes the biscuit.
There is something wrong with male Jews.
Prigozhin has huge boobs.
Zelensky has pretty nice boobs also.
There was episode on Seinfeld about making brasieres for Jewish man.
I do think boobs are big problem for Jews.
All Jews need Gender affirmation Therapy.
But so far they experiencing only on christians.
Tsarist Russian official Pyotr Durnovo already viewed Ukrainian nationalism in Galicia as being sufficiently real and sufficiently developed in early 1914 to threaten to infect the Ukrainians (Little Russians) in Russian-controlled Ukraine with it in the event that Russia would have ever acquired Galicia. Bandera was a small child back then.
From the Durnovo Memorandum (February 1914):
https://novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans/his242/documents/Durnovo.pdf
But sure, keep telling yourself that Ukrainians are a fake nation. FWIW, I personally consider Canadians, Australians, Kiwis, and Americans to be one people (at least their historic/founding stocks), but I oppose forcible wars of conquest to reunify these peoples into one state–into Ein Reich, if you will.
Most of the western Ukrainians are descendants of Cossacks. Wery mixed bunch.
Bandera was Hungarian.
This repulsive kike has never looked into a mirror.
“Crippled soldier keeps on fighting like good goy!”
Haha
Every KIKE on Earth will be exterminated, and it will be completely justified. And their second Death in Hell is also eternal.
Nazi is a term coined by Jews. NSDAP = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. So from that title, you can make NaSo, NatSoz, or possibly NaZo by aggregating the ‘t’ and ‘s’ and turning them into a ‘z’ pronounced ‘ts’, but you can’t make NaZi. You could make NaZi from Nationalzialistische which isn’t even a word or you can make it from Nationalzionistische, which is sort of appropriate for Jewish created moronic would-be supremacist ersatz.
Bandera’s brothers were sent by the Nazis to Auschwitz where they died, or were murdered, and his sisters were sent to the Soviet gulags. Looks like neither side liked those Banderites.
It is always a good indicator that things are going your way when the truth becomes indistinguishable from satire.
Zelenski wore one of his tee-shirts, if memory serves, when he visited the Pope. Most people dressed in this manner would not have been admitted to the Vatican. Here, his attire is just as insulting. Every time I see his chubby little face my blood pressure goes up. “I fight them over here, so you don’t have to fight them over there. So give me much money so I can buy more house and Ferrari. I also want more tanks. You have tanks? Give me money and tanks.” And that voice of his must be an affectation. He probably practices it with a recorder. His stupid looking beard only makes him look like a fat-faced little chipmunk (a species of rodent) with a mouthful of acorns, though he must imagine it makes him look more intimidating. Maybe he’ll get to be chipmunk of the year. If Obama could get the Nobel peace prize, surely Zelenski could be chipmunk of the year. I apologize to chipmunks everywhere as even a chipmunk has more brains than Zelenski.
Exactly right
Another ne0-nazi or perhaps even jewish propaganda (typical) to slander Poles and justify the genocide.
The Nazi Ukrainians escaped to Canada fearing to face justice …
Call them Poles or Ukrainians … dey all Nigggers
In fact it is a pattern in German slang. Sozi is still current in Germany today as a term for socialists, often used for members of the SPD. In Weimar members of the KPD were sometimes referred to as Kozis, a term also perhaps meant to evoke the German verb kotzen, “to vomit”. However Kozi no longer seems to be a current term in German.
Wait is Galicia a nation? If so why is Ukraine a separate entity? You nigggas all confusing
very disappointed. needs more poop and gay anal fisting rim jobs.
“Every time I see his chubby little face my blood pressure goes up.”
He was selected by the CIA for these very attributes. They know exactly what personality types will gaslight your psyche and humiliate you to your core. Having to suffer the existence of such an individual and being powerless to do anything about it produces just the effects you are experiencing. It is intended to weaken you and wear you down.
Remember there is a Globalist cognitive war on against your own mind. The verbal propaganda is just a fraction of it. You as a citizen of the West are more of a target than the Chinese or Russians. Zelenski is no accident. His selection for what I just described was conscious and deliberate. And as your post shows, it’s working.
Now what are you going to do about it?
For Slavs, those Galicians sure have weird names, Bandera is Spanish for “flag”. There is also a province in Spain called Galicia.
OT, but I’m surprised that Anglin hasn’t mentioned anything about “Sound of Freedom”, which I think would be right up his alley. And I’m surprised no one has picked up on this, but the pederast in the opening scene is quite obviously Jewish. In fact, so much so that he looks like a real-life version of the “Happy Merchant”.
As far as Bandera himself goes, the US really didn’t have to do much to enhance his reputation. It was already enhanced, especially in the Ukrainian diaspora in the US and Canada. A good deal of these folks are from the Western part of Ukraine (Galicia) and have seen Bandera as a hero. The Ukie diaspora has supported the neo-Nazis since the 2014 Maidan coup. Unfortunately the Ukies have turned their traditional anti-Pole and anti-Jew hate into anti-Russian hate. They cannot see the forest for the trees, and I don’t think Zelensky urging Duda to condemn Bandera is going make much of a dent in their world view.
The media have been covering up Poland’s crimes since the end of WW2.
“And all of a sudden, FOR NO REASON AT ALL, Germany attacked Poland.”
Yeah, right.
There were many, many reasons. All of them being dead bodies.
That being said, it doesn’t excuse Bandera behaving as a hyena also.
Sad, all those hundreds of thousands of Khokols who are dead, vegetables, faceless, limbless, etc., who think they’re fighting for their land which is now essentially being sold to international finance. Arable land enriched with the blood of these stupid peasants thinking they’re “fighting’ for freedom” and their land. Sad and pathetic.
The “capitalists”.
Kozi, nazi are derogatory, that’s how others call them, it’s not how they call themselves. Nazi is said to have been coined by German expats and it really stuck only after WW2. Who (or rather what) German expats were actually? The Soviets called them fascists, to conceal the “socialist” part and avoid defiling the USSR’s own good name. Now, oddly enough, nazis call themselves nazis which they never did before. Something’s fishy. That said, it befits cartoonish imitations to refer to themselves with a derogatory term.
Well then, what people say about Polish leaders (Polish people ?) must be true.
[Are the Polish Literally Retarded, or Just Very Angry? What Is Their Problem?] (Anglin)
Poland is going out of its way to help these neo-Banderites, whose hero and his henchmen you say murdered at least 500,00o Polish civilians & children — instead of helping Russia to crush them once and for the all.
What the Hell is going on with Polish thinking, if there is such a thing.
Not only are they not helping Russia, they are inviting NATO to place nukes in Poland.
Are these people insane?
If they leave NATO and join Russia to eradicate the vermin in Ukraine, there is no question that Russia will allow Poland to take back their historic lands from (former) country of “Ukraine”.
It’s a historic opportunity.
Is Anglin really so ignorant? The reason the nazis camped Bandera was that Bandera fantasised an independent Ukranazistan, while Hitler intended Ukranazistan to be a German colony. When the tide of war had clearly turned in 1944, Hitler released Bandera so that he could fight the USSR, which he (a Polish Ukrainian who had never lived under the USSR) did because the USSR’s return meant the end of his Ukranazistan dreams.
I know you think you’re being funny, Andrew. But the truth is, things like that matter. People see that picture of Winston Churchill with a top hat and cigar, and that is Churchill for all of history. In a hundred years, Zelensky’s green will be just as iconic.
Not only that, it’s a great uniform. Vaguely military. Conveys authority without denoting rank, which itself denotes a high rank. An effect is made in olive drab that is simply not made in a suit and tie.
Gee, it’s almost like they know how to use psychological tricks to convince and control people. It’s almost like they known how to move their agenda forward.
But of course that’s all just jew psychology stuff right Andrew? Nothing for the WHITE MAN to concern himself with when he can scream about kikes and faggots while dodging extradition and screwing African prostitutes, right Andrew?
{People see that picture of Winston Churchill with a top hat and cigar,…..Zelensky’s green will be just as iconic.}
Zelensky is NO Churchill.
[…you’re NO Jack Kennedy]
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For all his faults, Churchill is associated with British victory in WW2.
What will Zelensky be remembered for?
– sexual deviancy
– dismemberment and depopulation of the country formerly known as “Ukraine”.
– needless, useless killings of Ukrainian troops in hopeless meatgrinders., sent there on his orders.
– wholesale theft of rich Ukrainian soil by Western conglomerates.
– contamination of Ukraine by his NATO bosses: DU, cluster bombs,……
– and on, and on.
Zelesnky will be remembered for what he is: an enemy of the Ukrainian people.
“Ready to fight again on artificial legs”
Geez, this NYT article shows the degeneracy of people responsible for, or supportive of a proxy war in which men from a poor country (Ukraine) give up life and limb, blood and guts, to benefit a wealthy country (United States).
This is just another sick, depraved version of Lindsey Grahams “fight to the last Ukrainian” soldier is dead remark. I haven’t heard Lindsey mention this lately. Perhaps even he has figured out how cruel the comment comes across.
I doubt that the NYT writer has marked his calendar to do a follow up story in 3 years. In the unlikely event he did, it’s not going to see the light of day.
What a tragic, stupid, avoidable war this is.
We do not have to do anything. It is up to the Ukraine’s toothless opposition to carry out some radical treatment. However that requires heroic action and unconditional dedication in saving Ukraine from the Nuland’s puppets.
Poland and England caught sodomizing each other in yet another woke orgy.
Nato is setting up Poland to become the regional destabilizers.
Why the anger against the poles? Was this Ukrainian serfs vs Polish masters, genocidal nationalists, Orthodox vs Catholic?
> Poles have always hated the Ukrainians. They viewed them (accurately) as Russians.
Not at all. Poles for centuries until recently called Ukrainians Ruthenians (Rusini) and Russians Muscovites (Moskale). Poles have always distinguished them as 2 different nations.
The main surprise with the NeoNAZI Bandera fellow travelers is that the Ukrainian Jewish elite publicly supported them and gave them an acceptable public profile. This is surprising since Bandera’s people reportedly killed many Jews (among various victims) and they proudly aligned with NAZIs who are considered very anti-Semitic.
Without these contradictions the Banderites are just the latest version of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” or “One man’s freedom fighter is another mans terrorist”. This is still true, but it seems surprising that Jewish power would be willing to tarnish their prized narratives by this contradictory association.
Pictures of the Jewish president and other Ukrainian leadership meeting with troops wearing NAZI/SS badges (tottenkopf and wolfsangel and SS lightning bolts) are ridiculously over the top. Beyond the pale, so t0 speak 😉
Leftists have been crying about this for some time now. Germany is no longer able to discipline Poland for “lack of rule of law”.
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-military-superpower-poland-army/
> Poland is going out of its way to help these neo-Banderites, whose hero and his henchmen you say murdered at least 500,00o Polish civilians & children — instead of helping Russia to crush them once and for the all.
Russians killed more Poles and now spread lies about Poland trying to annex part of Ukraine. Ukraine (looking from Polish perspective) is learning a valuable lesson that helping Russia in destroying Poland in XVII/XVIII centuries was a suicide.
Russians are not the Jews’ nor the West’s enemy; however Jews and the West are Russia’s enemies. So Jews and the West are not supporting the UkroNazis because of “enemy of my enemy”, they’re using the UkroNazis against Russia and turning Russia into an enemy that it doesn’t want to be. This is what has been going on for all these years. Russia has long been wanting to sit down with US and others in the West to solve regional and global problems but has been rebuffed.
ZOG not only wants to rearm Poland, they want to create an entire arsenal of wokeism there. I am not sure that Catholic Poland is quite ready for the job. I also am not sure that all the Polish young males want to go face to face with the meat grinder, and young German males don’t either.
ZOG is going to have to crank up the mind control to an entirely new level.
I am Polish and wokeism like communism doesn’t work on Poles at all. We don’t want communist European Union and we don’t want Russians who installed communism in Poland after WW2 using mostly Russian Jews (Litwacy).
This munitions manufacturing alliance between South Korea and Poland is quite interesting. South Korea has developed their own indigenous arms industry mostly outside the scope of US/UK/Nato patents.
Poland not only gets technology and even manufacturing concessions from South Korea, but all these new plants and weapons systems will be beyond the reach of ordinary western sanctions.
Germany should feel very threatened by this new Polish “muscle”, much more so than Russia.
By all indications, Judea is working to complete their Morgenthau plan, only 80 years later than planned. Germany Must Perish.
It’s as big as Texas and they had 50 million population and an excellent Soviet education system. A pity.
I notice that Anglin has climbed aboard the take that the Ukraine language comes from stupid peasants and all of elite Ukraine speaks the Russian language all the time, and almost all of them do not speak a single word of Ukrainian.
This is an interesting take but you would have to be inside the boundary of the country to really know this and the people there would be out on a limb if they said this so it might be true or false. Anybody know?
And you don’t want Germany to get cheap Russian gas through the Nordstream pipelines, and you want Kaliningrad so bad you even put your own street signs up:
Kremlin calls Polish decision to rename Kaliningrad ‘hostile act’
At least Hitler didn’t appoint gauleiters for Poland until after Poland had been betrayed by her brother slavs in the USSR. Today, Poland is so horny for Kaliningrad that she could just rape her right there on that prime sandy baltic beach.
I don’t know what the average pole wants, but your elites are suffering from delusions of grandeur. May they and up like the ones at Katyn who started WWII.
So George Lincoln Rockwell was a homosexual? Also this is part of the plan for when the fake assassination of Zelensky happens by Azov. Then NATO and Russia will work to denazify Ukraine. Fucking big fat joke. You cannot have a White Hezbollah White man nice try.
He’s already slaughtered more Ukrainians than the sum total of all British losses in WW2.
And he’s not a Slav – you know what he is. Purest vile scum.
I don’t really care. To me Nazi is just short hand for National Socialist. It means the same thing and it is easier to say. Of course it is derogatory, but that wouldn’t change if you used a different word. I’d rather own it.
> Poland is so horny for Kaliningrad
It’s a ridiculous statement.
Check biography of Kalinin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kalinin
Russians would change name Kaliningrad themselves if they had any self respect but that’s their choice and I’m not gonna cry that instead of Polska they call Poland Polsha.
Threats and bullying don’t work on Poles either. That drunkard Dmitry Medvedev who screwed 2010 Polish airplane crash investigation should know that by now.
IIRC, all are descended from common ancestors from central Gaul who migrated out in the 3rd century BC and settled in Spain(Galicia), modern Poland(Galicia) and Asia Minor(Galatia) and other places.
Galicians didn’t consider themselves a separate nation by themselves but rather a part of a broader separate Ukrainian nation that also included people living in territories in then-Russian-controlled Ukraine.
Interesting they let the persecutor of Pechersky Lavra in a church in Poland. Maybe the Polish gay disco wanted piano lessons.
He’ll find a way to charge them for tuition.
After he’s changed his story a few more times.
But not good for the Heavenly Kingdom in his absence..
Another bad day for game changing Bradleys and Leo’s.
Not to mention Uke infantry in those “fighting vehicles”
https://rumble.com/v2z8vv8-summer-operations-the-russians-are-advancing-in-avdiivka-and-siversk.-milit.html
Wrong.
(“Galicia” is but the Latinization of Halych on the Dniestr – nothing Spanish)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia-Volhynia
It makes no sense to speak of a “Ukraine” before the Cossack-Polish war –
Bogdan Khmelnitsky led the peasants, Zaporozhti and Crimean Tatars against
the Poles and their Jewish tax farmers (1648) and put the realm under Russian
protectorate (1654), dumping cold water on Jewish-Polish superpower fantasies
(for a time, that is); a mere two generations later during the Nordic War the
Hetman Iwan Mazeppa sided with the Swedes against Russia again (but lost).
– The Cossacks were the closest thing to a “proposition nation” evah – you
joined by signing a contract; it´s as if the US limited citizenship to those who serve,
without regard for natural or legal birth (which, come to think about it … 😛 ).
– 1791 Galicia became part of the Pale (Catherine the Great decided the Jews would
no longer be allowed to prey on the hapless muzhiks and should defraud the
Poles instead).
– After (Vienna) “Congress” Poland (the closest thing ever to an actual Polish realm)
was divvied up again Galicia fell under Austro-Hungarian rule:
One look at the map makes clear it was in the Austrians´interest to foster a Ruthenian
(in a generic sense of “Westernized Russian”, no “Ukrainians” then) nationalism
against both Ruskies and Polacks; the rest, as they say, is history.
– 1791 Galicia became part of the Pale (Catherine the Great decided the Jews would
no longer be allowed to prey on the hapless muzhiks and should defraud the
Poles instead).
Are you sure? It was Austrian hyena and not Russian who took so called Galicia in 1772.
When England needed provocateur in Europe Polaks were always first to volunteer.
On the campaign trail in 2019, then-presidential candidate Joe Biden pledged that “as president,” he would “ensure that democracy is once again the watchword of US foreign policy, not to launch some moral crusade, but because it’s in our enlightened self-interest.”
Has he kept his word on that foreign policy pledge in Ukraine? Well, to date the Zelensky administration has imposed martial law, canceled presidential elections scheduled for 2024, imprisoned political opponents, banned opposition parties, and gone after the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Must be a special US ‘export’ brand of democracy.
Pardon if I generalize a little – of course there was no “Poland” before
Little Nappy boinked Maria Walewska (she must have really impressed
the horndog); there was this obscure Hungarian claim to the crown
of Galicia … my points were:
– Galicia is part of “Poland” sensu stricto
– Galicia is a poison pill for everybody and his mama (consequently the endemic syph
led to the development of modern chemotherapy)
If you talk about historical land of Kingdom of Galicia Volhynia from XIII-XIV century in XVIII century then the first part was taken by Austria in 1772, second by Russia in 1792 and the rest was divided in 1795 between Austria, Russia and Prussia (who got the smallest part). Later Austria and Prussia (1807-1815) lost some parts of the Kingdom (Prussia completely) and from 1815 lands of historical Kingdom of Galicia Volhynia was split between Austria and Russia. Kingdom of Poland established in 1815 is not recognized by Poles as their country and tsars who used title king of Poland are not recognized as Polish kings.
It is also interesting that Khmelnitsky was of Polish descent and his enemy and Polish military commander Jeremi Wiśniowiecki was of Rurikid bloodline. And there is another connection – Polish king John II Casimir Vasa was Jesuit and Khmelnitsky, Jeremi Wiśniowiecki and Symeon of Polotsk (Russian tsar adviser) all graduated from Jesuit schools in Poland.
The Judeofascist ((Zelensky)) — and all Judeofascists — have but one loyalty: the international Golden Calf/Moneychanger tribe, and Israel as a hideout for that scumbag gang and its accomplices for when their treachery finally and inevitably catches up with them… 109 times and counting.
The Judeofascist has always been reviled because the Judeofascist is a self-concerned, self-serving, unreconstructed rat without a Christian bone in its rabid body, no different than its little Zoglodyte backers — in this case, Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden and his ratty little cabal of “woke” and neocon tools.
“Zylenskyy Bandera and Heydrich will go down as Canadian Heros from afar”—says Justin–Justin Trudeau !!
Not true, Prussia was England’s boy in XVIII century
And Poland and England were at war in XVI century through England’s puppet Ivan IV the Terrible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_campaign_of_Stephen_Báthory
I’ve said in the past that this war in Ukraine was also a war against American citizens. The goal is control, control over everyone and everything. The big money people are attacking on more than one front. Witness the power grab the World Health Organization is proposing. It’s as scary as a nuclear exchange. Almost everyone I talk to regarding these current events believes the lies told them by the MSM. What can I do about it? I don’t believe in revolutions. They are violent and in the end you will likely end up with a worse government than the one we have now. If that’s possible. I have no answers.
Who owns the former Prussia territory now? That is the key.
All good points …
but you cannot have it historic, constitutional-dynastic, economic and
German national-romantic all at the same time, whichever fits best;
– historic: the Poles never much cared who they bossed over;
the Duchy of Warszaw/Congress Poland was the closest ever to a Polish
ethno-state but what´s the point in having no one to boss over? Work?!
(the same goes for the Heavenly Jerusalem: What´s the profit of being Chosen
when you sit in Lemberg and lord it over Huzuls and swamp? -> Crimea!)
– economic: there´s a reason the Ukraine (ex Galicia, Volhynia and Kiew) went
>80% against independence in 1991 – the economy is so integrated that
going West is suicidal.
– German national-romantic: While this comes naturally to the humble one
it is about as useful as in the Balkans; the closest thing to a “natural” border
would be Noworossiya (lumped in by Lenin 100 years ago so the Donbass proles
would majoritize the rustic Hohols); what kind of Heavenly Jerusalem would that
leave?
Secure in the knowledge this isn´t going to win a popularity contest either I say
let the Ruskies take Noworossiya, the Germans East Germany and let the rest
revenge-rape each other as they have been doing for centuries;
without (((outside))) meddling we wouldn´t have this problem in the first place.
(The Jesuits were founded by a mercenary captain, and it shows 😜)
Zelensky wears green because his Jewish surname means Green.
Hmm. Zarathustra, are you sure? Has the inbreeding of the Jews created a separate race? One Jew wrote a book, The Invention of the Jewish People. He, Shlomo Sand, went into a lot of detail on the origins of all Jewish groups, in print, never discredited. Invention! That is: Lying!
Caricatures of Jews are always hook-nosed. Why? Are real Semites (Arabic is a Semitic language, not a dead language re-invented)… Are real Semites hook-nosed? No.
Hook-nosed? Huge boobs? But there is NO Jewish ethnicity! They’ve tried like mad, fake DNA tests, to carry off their lie, but why? Trying to prove they are the original Hebrews when it’s the Palestinians, so-called Arabs, who are the real Hebrews, part Canaanite, the real indigenous people of Palestine. The Jews? Liars! Fundamentally, essentially, genocidal liars.
I don’t know if it comes from the peasants. But I think it used to be just a minority that spoke Ukrainian. I met quite a few Ukrainian migrants abroad, both from the older waves of migration and from the current wave, many coming from Kiev, and most of them speak only Russian. They can’t even speak Ukrainian. Perhaps the younger generation is different, because it has become mandatory etc. But most older people speak just Russian. Also I suppose it depends on the region. Perhaps in Galicia and in the countryside it’s different.
Your notions about the relations and history are ridiculous… the Lithuanian nobility had equal rights in the Kingdom. The Lithuanians and at that time this name was applied to the Ukrainians and Byelorussians as well were admitted to the Polish educational institutions… Part of the peasantry belonged to the local nobility and the rest were free… and of course according to Mr. Anglin, unlike the Poles, Russian have come to give the Ukrainians territories and freedom… BTW, Poland has managed to accommodate two million Ukrainian refugees since the Russian invasion… sure, Mr. Anglin doesnt know what he is talking about
Pretty sure that’s how the whole shebang kicked off. Poles were killing Germans in Danzig until AH said ‘enough’ in September 1939.
“Democrat” really just means “rules in perceived interests of NATO etc.” Yeltsin was a “democrat” even after carrying out an armed assault on the Russian parliament.
> the Duchy of Warszaw/Congress Poland was the closest ever to a Polish
ethno-state
The closest before 1945 was probably in XI-XIII centuries.
In 1795 2.53 million (making 25 percent of all) Poles lived in Russian partition (East of current eastern Polish border) and population of Congress Poland in 1815 was 2.8 million people.
In 1897 there were 6.8 million Poles living in Congress Poland (72% of the population) and in 1914 estimated number of all Poles was 20 millions with additional 7 millions living “abroad”. Less than 40 percent of all Poles lived in your ethno-state.
another boring fairy tale on this forum about bad Poles and good Germans?
I agree. Control is the operative word. Virtually everything that has transpired since the early 1990’s in the West is entirely consistent with the trend towards absolute control by an untouchable, self-selected few over the incohesive and ignorant masses. And it is entirely anti-democracy and supranational in character.
Excuses may be afforded to those who believe “the lies told them by the MSM”: lack of education or intelligence; being overwhelmed or harried by the realities of day to day existence; or just natural resistance to facing the existential fear that if the MSM is not telling the truth, then what is the truth and what that might mean to them.
The most terrifying and chilling encounters, however, are with those who are ostensibly educated, intelligent and reasonably aware yet who also seem to support the transference of all wealth, power and decision making to a small group of elite supranational rulers. I know such people. They are psychologically unreachable and cannot be reasoned with any more than the members of a UFO cult. When confronted with the observable realities of human nature and historical precedent, they will simply confabulate by asserting that our new overlords are completely driven by altruism. And that it is through their benevolent guiding hand that we will finally solve all of our human problems of poverty, racism, sexism, homophobia and climate change. The maxim that absolute power corrupts absolutely just doesn’t apply and no system of accountability is even needed for these enlightened despots. For, you see, our new rulers have “evolved”. Yet when pressed on the nature of this evolution – their capacity for rationalization at that point apparently exhausted – they invariably fall silent.
And so I am not optimistic because the collective fabric of the Western mentality, whether by ignorance or rationalization, only serves the interests of the Globalist elite and anything but the interest of the people. In my opinion, the “collapse”, in these terms, occurred a long time ago. It is getting darker every day, and there is no light on the horizon.
Er, quatorze juillet is not today.
The Miss Netherlands photos are great, it doesn’t even almost pass, on face (except when really concentrating, loses it in many shots), big hands, and huge feet relative to height.
It is a little like Mulvaney, except that Mulvaney is obviously a slightly effeminate homosexual man engaged in a very profitable stunt as a drag queen (clear in so many ways).
From still photos ‘Miss Netherlands’ appears to be of the same type.
The original historical German lands being well beyond the western bank of the Elbe is what makes you uncomfortable and feel anxious about a wide range of Polish situations and issues, right?
Migrations and language shifts as components of the Slavic spread by Jouko Lindstedt & Elina Salmela (available for free download)
Read: “Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland”.
Germans in vast numbers from time immemorial fled to Poland from their barbaric country, and they brought their barbaric habits with them… that was the real problem and has always been… in fact Germany isnt a western country… it was heavily influenced by Byzantium… in fact it is Orient with a strong collectivist national spirit, this collectivist culture is only stylized as western country, but it is a sham/fake country in reality
https://www.unz.com/article/byzantine-revisionism-unlocks-world-history/
I do not doubt that Me Anglin is perfectly aware that
the ukrainian ”Nazi” movement is used, sponsored and directed by others than genuine Ukrainian nationalists.
The “heroe” Stepan Bandera definitely was not a nationalsocialist/German “Nazi”-sympathizer, but a chauvinist activist thug that the Germans kept incarcerated in the Saxenhausen camp for three years.
https://nationalvanguard.org/2022/03/who-was-ukraines-stepan-bandera/
I also attach a link with the Polish outlook on Bandera, before the official Poland turned its coat;
https://dzieje.pl/postacie/stepan-bandera-1909-1959
totally agree. What do you think about Chabad’s involvement in Ukraine – supposed desire to make a new Khazaria in case the Zionist entity of Israel goes to shit?
Also the whole idea of Ukrainian statehood has been strongest among the Ukrainian Catholics (mostly in the western part of the country).
Little bit more seriously.
Basic alphabet that is used in all Europe vas created by Chaldeans, accepted by Phoenicians and they spread it all over the banks of Mediterranean.
There is Hebrew alphabet that has entire different signs not even one similar to Chaldean alphabet.
Somehow in my brain considering all the facts i have in my brain I have suspicion that Jews genocided Hebrews and did steal from them everything including the alphabet..
The Ukrainian woman who beat the #1 seed Iga Swiatek at Wimbledon today in the quarterfinals lives in London and does not speak Ukrainian.
And you read this:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/27668587
Instrumentalization of “Volksdeutschen” in German Propaganda in 1939: Replacing/Erasing Poles, Jews, and Other Victims
Doris L. Bergen
Abstract
The German invasion of Poland in 1939 was accompanied by a propaganda offensive depicting the Polish assault of “Volksdeutschen” (ethnic Germans). The German Foreign Office published documents and photographs that used familiar methods to portray the “Volksdeutschen” as innocent victims and the attack on Poland as defensive. Tactics included infantilizing and feminizing “Volksdeutsche”, using Christian imagery, and appropriating the suffering of Germany’s victims. This analysis underscores the importance of patterns set in 1939 and reveals the centrality of the “Volksdeutschen” to definitions of Germanness, relations between National Socialism and Communism, and the nexus in Nazi policy and practice between “Volksdeutschen” and Jews.
As early as 1922 British newspapers wrote about the mistreatment of German expatriates in Poland.
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/friedrich_nietzsche_717961
Germany is a great nation only because its people have so much Polish blood in their veins.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Let’s take a look at translation of Polish Wiki article about German Fifth Column in prewar Poland:
https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi%C4%85ta_kolumna
From the beginning of the creation of the Second Polish Republic, the German minority in Poland supported the efforts of Germany in the policy aimed against the Polish state and questioning its state borders. On December 20, 1930, representatives of the German minority from Polish Pomerania were assured in Berlin by the then German Chancellor Heinrich Brüning that “the Reich sincerely admires the generosity of the Germans in Pomerania, who are on the front line of the border revision policy.” The Chancellor assured them that the Germans would never abandon this policy.
In the period before World War II, many German organizations were recognized as the fifth column operated in Poland:
Jungdeutsche Partei in Polen (JDP) – covered with its activities all of Poland within the borders from before World War II
Deutsche Vereinigung (DtV) – operated in the Pomeranian Voivodeship and the Poznań Voivodeship
Deutscher Volksbund – covered the area of the Silesian Voivodeship
Deutscher Volksverband in Polen – an organization active in the Łódź Voivodeship.
Together with several smaller organizations, these associations gathered in their ranks about 25% of the German population living in the territory of the Second Polish Republic and maintained constant, secret contact with the party and intelligence authorities of Germany – NSDAP, Auslandsorganisation, Gestapo, Abwehr and SD.
In 1937, with about 800,000 Germans living in Poland approx. 200 thousand. were members of Hitler’s organizations.
In 1939, the so-called Hauptamt Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle (VoMi) was established at the SS. The “Committee of Six”, a secret cell coordinating the activities of the German minority in Poland. The Poles remained in the illusory belief that the German minority would continue to break apart organizationally. This organization included national-socialist organizations in pre-war Poland such as the German Union (German: Deutsche Vereinigung DtV) and the Young German Party in Poland (German: Jungdeutsche Partei in Polen abbreviated as JDP).
In the interwar period, the counterintelligence of the Republic of Poland detected several illegal German organizations, e.g. Volksbundjugendgruppe in Katowice in 1933, the National Socialist German Workers’ Movement, abbreviated as NSDAB, in the Polish part of Upper Silesia in 1934 (the goal of the NSDAB was to separate this part of Upper Silesia from Poland and join it to Germany), Schwarze Hand (Polish Black Hand) in Chorzów, Die Schwarze Schaar (Polish Black Team). In 1936/37, a number of these organizations were outlawed and their members prosecuted. Among those arrested were Rudolf Wiesner, whom the fascist Young German Party was creating as the führer of the German minority in Poland, and the first leader of the rival Dtv Erik von Witzleben.
Members of the Nazi organizations of the German minority recruited Selbstschutz militias carrying out sabotage actions on Polish territory before 1 September. With the aggression of the Third Reich on Poland on September 1, 1939, units of the “Selbstschutz” began military operations against the Polish population and the Polish armed forces, at the same time undertaking sabotage activities aimed at supporting the German invasion. During the September Campaign, on September 3, the units of the German fifth column, organized into Selbstschutz, Hauptamt Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle and Hitlerjugend formations, carried out a sabotage operation in Bydgoszcz, which resulted in the deaths of Polish civilians and 240 soldiers of the Polish Army from the regrouping Army “Pomorze “.
Although the activities of the 5th column are usually of secondary importance, the term fits perfectly into the stereotype of an internal enemy, which in wartime conditions can lead to pogroms, repressions by the army or government administration against national minorities, etc. phenomena.
Yes, it takes more than a new generation; it takes a revived economy that allows for living, raising children, etc. https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/helena-cobban-legacies-collective-violence/
This article notes the Army from Rwanda now controlling hundreds of thousands of dispossessed tribal now living in the DRC (in later paragraphs).
So, the supposed reconciliation has not happened.
I recall what was attributed to Tracy Kidder: the people whose children had no shoes killed the people whose children had shoes. This poverty is the affliction of Africa. The European colonialists who promised development of natural resources failed in their supposed commitment. Were the factories developed by and staffed with citizens of the country, the economy would be very different.
Capitalism now rampant in Europe and set to parasitize the Ukraine is the problem.
And let’s take a look at this:
https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_Polski_(1914%E2%80%931918)
History of Poland 1914-1918
This period was characterized by a disastrous state of supplies and food for the society, as well as significant losses, both among soldiers conscripted into the warring armies, and the civilian population, who, forced to provide services for the armies occupying the country, bore huge burdens. As a result of death and deportation, the number of people living in the later Second Polish Republic decreased by 14.9%. Material losses caused by military operations in the area of 80% of Polish lands were also considerable. Subsequent armies passing through the territories of partitions used the scorched earth tactic. The Russians, retreating to the east, set fire to oil wells in Galicia and deported hundreds of thousands of people. On the other hand, the Germans did not fail to transport entire factories to the Reich, mainly from Łódź
How Germans were treating Polish minority shortly after the WW1
https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/II_powstanie_%C5%9Bl%C4%85skie
Before the outbreak of the uprising in Upper Silesia, tensions gradually increased:
On April 25, 1920, in Bytom, Gliwice, Katowice, Chorzów, Mysłowice, Pszczyna, Radzionków, Ruda, Rybnik, Wirk, Wodzisław, Zabór and Zabrze, protest rallies of the pro-Polish population against the anti-Polish German terror took place. During the rallies, demands were made to liquidate the Sicherheitspolizei (in the number of 5,000 armed Germans who, after the withdrawal of other units, were supposed to guard order – the so-called “Sipo”), which supported and protected German militias breaking up Polish rallies;
German militias attacked Polish parades celebrating the celebration of the Constitution on May 3;
a school strike began, in which young people demanded equal rights for the Polish language in schools in Upper Silesia;
On May 27/28, 1920, there was an attack by German militias on the Polish Plebiscite Commissariat located in the Lomnitz Hotel in Bytom and the poviat premises of the Polish Plebiscite Committees were demolished, e.g. in Głogówek and Koźle;
On August 17, 1920, after false information in the German press about the capture of Warsaw by the Red Army, in Katowice, German militias attacked at ul. Warsaw, the seat of the poviat inspector of the Inter-Allied Commission – Colonel Blanchard. The French soldiers were forced to use their weapons, killing 10 of the attackers. In retaliation, a well-known Polish doctor, Dr. Andrzej Mielęcki, who treated the wounded was lynched and then the seat of the Polish plebiscite committee in Katowice in the “Deutsches Haus” hotel (at the corner of Plebiscytowa and Wojewódzka Streets was demolished and Dr. Henryk Jarczyk was beaten there.
That was the first continental state of ancestors of French and Germans created in V century called AustrAsia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrasia
German book printed in Berlin in 1864
https://books.google.pl/books?id=nZgBAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=pl&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
(Bismarck time) acknowledges that first king of Poland Lech I ruled from 550 AD and that Poles were Vandals (queen Wanda/Vanda).
That supports XII century Polish chronicler Wincenty Kadłubek claim that Poles were Vandals.
But Kadłubek claimed that Polish king Lech I ruled Poland much earlier than 550 AD and that Poles fought Rome.
So what? Many people in Ireland, Scotland etc. do not speak their own national language. and dont forget about Jews too
Kadłubek isnt alone in this opinion, just to mention one among the many –
https://www.academia.edu/21275614/Germanization_of_the_Land_Between_the_Elbe_Saale_and_Oder_Rivers_Colonisation_or_assimilation
https://independent.academia.edu/RomanZaroff
I keep asking this question, but I have little idea of the answer.
But it’s way more fun watching the boys play, esp. the GOAT of Serbia. After today’s first set, I thought he was at the end of his rope, but then he arose from the dead.
In understanding Bandera or Dontsov following the political thoughts of Shukhevych and Stsyborsky several previous comments make some confusions of history:
* Ukraine used to be a geographical name for the region around the Dnieper river (“central Ukraine), which was settled by the cossacks and people called “malorussians”.
* The fascist nationalists whom the USA have put in charge of Ukraine have since not so long ago taken over the name “Ukraine” and “ukrainian” as a propaganda move to further their aggressive territorial ambitions of eastward expansion.
* Before renaming themselves they were called “ruthenians” from the Kingdom of Ruthenia, which included Galicia and Volhynia and at times much else (once it included Hungary and stretched from the Adriatic to the Black Sea).
* The Kingdom of Ruthenia was one of several east slavic kingdoms speaking one of several east slavic languages (all still somewhat similar even if incompatible), and was a rival of both the Duchy of Lithuania, the Kingdom of Poland and the Principality of Muscovy (which evolved in to “Russia”).
* Eventually the Duchy of Lithuania absorbed the Kingdom of Poland and the Kingdom of Ruthenia, and the polish part became dominant in what was called the “Intermarium” or lithuanian-polish-ruthenian commonwealth.
* The ruthenians, while keeping a cultural identity separate from the lithuanians, the poles, and the muscovites, became increasingly polonized.
* The unforgivable crime of “Russia” for the fascist nationalist lithuanians, poles and ruthenians was that after centuries of wars for dominance in eastern Europe the muscovites won decisively in 1795 also thanks to an alliance with the Austrian Empire and split the “Intermarium” between them and the austrians.
* This had the effect of “stealing” from the lithuanian, polish and ruthenian major and minor nobility their “divine right” to exploit and brutalize their peasants, and current ruthenian (or polish or lithuanian) fascist nationalists tend to be (or merely dream to be) from the minor nobility or the gentry of that time, who want to take make the tight to be “top dogs” in their own areas.
* During and after WW1 Poland and Lithuania etc. became independent again, and there were several wars and massacres among poles, ruthenians, czechs etc. as to the boundaries, which happened again during WW2. The fascist nationalist lithuanians, poles, ruthenians in effect all dream not just of “independence” but of recreating the pre-1795 “Intermarium” empire, but with themselves as “top dogs”. That’s why they all fight the muscovites, but also massacre each other given any opportunity.
*After WW2 Poland was split between germans and muscovites, Lithuania and Ruthenia were taken entirely by the muscovites and Lithuania became its own SSR, while Ruthenia was split between the Belarussian SSR and the Ukrainian SSR, and then after the war Poland was recreated adding a chunk of Prussia/Germany, which was ethnically cleansed by the poles, while the ruthenians were not ethnically cleansed from western Belarussian SSR and western Ukrainian SSR (even if the USA kept funding the fascist nationalist militias to continue the fight against the muscovites).
I wrote that simplified overview to give context, but according to modern custom (created by the french and endorsed by the USA…) history does not matter as to which territory is part of which state, because territories “belong” to their residents, not to states, and the residents have the right to choose which state their territory is part of (“self determination of *peoples*).
So the government of Kiev does not “own” the Donbas or Crimea and neither the government of Moscow “owns” Kiev, and the “territorial integrity” of Ukraine is only meaningful for those territories that want to be governed from Kiev.
The “territorial integrity” of the EU did not prevent the UK from stopping being a member anymore than the “territorial integrity” of Czechoslovakiaprevented Slovakia from becoming independent, or the “territorial integrity” of Yugoslavia prevented Croatia or Kosovo from becoming independent.
Actually “territorial integrity” must be enforced or must be violated only when it matters to the interests of the USA. In the “rules based order” the hegemon that has the power of making the rules also of course has the power to ignore them.
«Chabad’s involvement in Ukraine – supposed desire to make a new Khazaria in case the Zionist entity of Israel goes to shit? »
There are two interesting aspects about conspiracy theories:
* Most of them are *partially* true, being based on some real stuff (and anybody familiar with office politics knows that every clique tries to conspire to get some unfair advantage) that gets exaggerated to a ridiculous extent (e.g. all the morons that make claims about “the joos” instead of “some joos”).
* Because conspiracy theories usually attract the attention of obsessives, these are good at finding often quite interesting information, and that is often a valuable side effect of pursuing their pet theories, even if that information gets exaggerated to a ridiculous extent.
The idea that “the joos” want to re-establish Khazaria in the “Pale of Settlement” seems ridiculous to me because my guess is that few of “the joos” are that stupid, even if some are obsessives themselves. Perhaps “*some* joos” may be dreaming of that, just like “*some* lithuanians” want to re-create the Lithuanian Empire and take back Smolensk and Minsk :-).
On the other hand some people have noticed that “some joos” have bought a country-sized chunk of Patagonia in Argentina. Perhaps that’s Plan B for some zionists; after all “some welsh” did the same on a much smaller scale to recreate a “cymro cymraeg” region in Patagonia too.
On that complicated history some links and quotes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenian_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia%E2%80%93Volhynia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ruthenia#History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ruthenia#History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ruthenia#History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian%E2%80%93Ruthenian_Commonwealth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine#Kingdom_of_Ruthenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenian_nobility
«Ruthenian nobility, however, retained a distinct identity within the body of the Polish-Lithuanian szlachta, leading to the Latin expression gente Ruthenus, natione Polonus or gente Rutheni, natione Poloni (translated as “of Polish nationality, but Ruthenian origin”, “of Ruthenia race and Polish nation”, or in various similar veins), although the extent to which they retained and maintained this separate identity is still debated by scholars, and varied based on time and place
[…] The transfer of Ruthenian lands from the Grand Duchy to Poland occurred with the strong support of the Ruthenian nobility, who were attracted to the Polish culture and desired the privileges of the Polish nobility. Thus the Ruthenian nobility gravitated from the Lithuanian noble tradition towards the Polish noble one, described by Stone as a change from “wealth without legal rights” to “defined individual and corporate rights”. The Lithuanian, Polish and Ruthenian nobility gradually became more and more unified, particularly with regards to their standing as a socio-political class. By the 19th and 20th centuries, the Ruthenian aristocracy became so heavily Polonized, that the eventual national resurgence of Belarus and Ukraine was mostly spurred by middle and lower classes of the nobility, that later was joined by the growing national consciousness of the new middle class, rather than of the former upper class of Ruthenian
nobility. Despite polonisation in Lithuania and Ruthenia in the 17th-18th centuries, a large part of the lower szlachta managed to retain their cultural identity in various ways. According to Polish estimates from the 1930s, 300,000 members of the common nobles -szlachta zagrodowa – inhabited the subcarpathian region of the Second Polish Republic out of 800,000 in the whole country. 90% of them were Ukrainian-speaking and 80% were Ukrainian Greek Catholics. In other parts of the Ukraine with a significant szlachta population, such as the Bar or the Ovruch regions, the situation was similar despite russification and earlier polonization.»
Let’s see, a group of people, Volksdeutsche, and their lands were handed to the Poles without their say so or debate, and are called a “5th column” or enemies of Poland.
Your logic leaves a lot to be desired. Poland could have returned all the internal “enemies” of Poland, plus their possessions, to Germany. Problem solved.
To reiterate: These Germans did not wish to be part of Poland, but the allies in their “wisdom” created this problem. And the Germans in Poland are the baaad guys?
> their lands
Prussia stole Silesia in 1741. It was not their land. Upper Silesia was always ethically Polish.
And check how Polish border looked like before Prussia stole big part of ethnic Poland in 1772 and 1792
This is an ethnographic map of Polish lands in 1912 (when Poland was divided between Russia, Germany and Austria and after Prussian efforts of Germanizing/ getting rid of Poles from those lands):
from https://www.techpedia.pl/index.php?str=tp&no=32561
You can clearly see that a lot of Polish ethnic lands stayed in Germany after 1921. Polish minority in Germany (1 million Poles) was bigger than German minority in Poland (800 thousand Germans).
And let me correct my comment above (#108)
it should be – Upper Silesia was always ethnically Polish.
So the government of Kiev does not “own” the Donbas or Crimea and neither the government of Moscow “owns” Kiev, and the “territorial integrity” of Ukraine is only meaningful for those territories that want to be governed from Kiev.
Your history lesson lacks a key component which is the 1994 Budapest Memorandum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
That was when Russia agreed to recognize the autonomy of Ukraine including Crimea in exchange for their leftover nukes.
Actually “territorial integrity” must be enforced or must be violated only when it matters to the interests of the USA. In the “rules based order” the hegemon that has the power of making the rules also of course has the power to ignore them.
The UN voted 143-5 that the annexations are illegal.
Putin recognized the original borders of Ukraine in 2008. He said they had no border qualms with them.
So you are saying that 2008 Putin and the UN are wrong? And that 2022 Putin was right to break the Budapest Memorandum?
Bzzzzt! Wrong.
*elinsky looks like a private who was on a labor detail and has forgotten to put his uniform coat back on.
The pianist is unsuccessfully trying to channel the Great One
(who said that if his people were forced to wear uniform the least he could
do was the same); even the Maximo Lìder wore his with dignity and justification
(saying his revolution was not red but olive green).
Instead Ze dodged the draft four times (at least once to Russia) –
and he even looks like a fat sweaty rat.
«Putin recognized the original borders of Ukraine in 2008. He said they had no border qualms with them. So you are saying that 2008 Putin and the UN are wrong? »
The memorandum was not a treaty, just a “memorandum” less binding than the treaties and promised that those about not expanding NATO to the RF borders, and the nuclear weapons were owned by the USSR, not by ukrainian USSR, and the Russian Federation was the internationally recognized successor state of the USS, and all USSR weapons, other assets and debts were transferred to the RF, which then gave some to the countries where they were stored, but not ther nuclear ones. The thousands of nuclear weapons stored in many NATO countries all belong to the USA, certainly not to the country where they are stored either.
«The UN voted 143-5 that the annexations are illegal.»
Under the UN charter that advisory vote is irrelevant, the Donbas, Crimea, etc. have an absolute right to self-determination, regardless of what other governments say.
The independence of Eritrea, South Sudan, Slovakia, Taiwan, Kosovo and the exit from EU of the UK after a referendum are considered valid by many governments, so I guess the precedent is solid.
«And that 2022 Putin was right to break the Budapest Memorandum? »
That never happened even if it had been a binding treaty:
* The citizens of the Donbas and Crimea used their UN charter right to achieve independence in 2014, and that overrides any treaty, never mind a memorandum; regardless that was an internal ukrainian matter, and the citizens of Donbas and Crimea were not bound by something they had not signed.
* Therefore since Crimea and the Donbas and other areas were independent, they were outside the borders of the state governed from Kiev, and when the Russian Duma then accepted their request of membership no ukrainian border was violated.
After that the ukrainian government attacked and invaded the new member republics of the Russian Federation violating the RF borders, just as it had attacked and invaded the independent republics between 2014 and 2022.
The memorandum was not a treaty, just a “memorandum” less binding than the treaties and promised that those about not expanding NATO to the RF borders, and the nuclear weapons were owned by the USSR
Let’s go ahead and look at what exactly was agreed to by Russia in 1994:
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, The United States of America:
Reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus, Kazakhstan, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus, Kazakhstan.
Reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
Which means they signed a treaty whereby the agreed to never use their weapons against Ukraine and that includes Crimea. Do you acknowledge that they broke the agreement?
Under the UN charter that advisory vote is irrelevant, the Donbas, Crimea, etc. have an absolute right to self-determination, regardless of what other governments say.
So you believe that Russia can ignore the UN even if they are signatures to various agreements as a security council member. Is that right?
Does Donbas have self-determination? Putin signed a document declaring that LPR/DPR are independent Republics and has since taken them as Russian territory. Was that a violation of what you believe is a right to self-determination? Did he break his own declaration?
First of all most JOOZ (especially the ones I know) have a very loose support for the Zionist entity in the Middle East. They are more concerned about their own daily lives (like the rest of us). I doubt that JOOZ – except fanatical Zionists really think about establishing a new Khazaria. But it is definitely in the realm of possibility that many Zionists are thinking of a plan B in case that the Zionist entity collapses as the West collapses. Russia, China and the vast part of the rest of the world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Israel – and Israel knows that. Your comparison to the Welsh in Patagonia is rather silly.
The only fact as far as Catholics + anti-Semitism lies in the person of Fr. Charles Coughlin. Other than that there is no far reaching case for accusing Catholics or Irish Catholics of being anti-Jewish.