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Zelensky said that today he discussed the issue of an invitation to NATO with the European commissioners who arrived in Kiev.
"We paid attention to the issue of NATO for Ukraine – an invitation to the Alliance, which can fundamentally strengthen Ukraine before any negotiations… pic.twitter.com/uV2KBcfzaW
— Victor vickop55 commentary (@vick55top) December 1, 2024
Ukrainian President Zelenskyy says an invitation to join NATO is needed for his country's survival as it struggles to fight Russian forces. Joel Flynn has more from Kiev pic.twitter.com/4oxQKSgwKx
— TRT World Now (@TRTWorldNow) December 1, 2024
Previously: Zelensky Says Rump of the Ukraine Should Join NATO NOW!
So, I don’t know if everyone gets this or not, but Zelensky is de facto pushing for a “frozen conflict.”
What he is saying is that if the rump of the Ukraine joins NATO, Russia will no longer attack it, and by drawing that line, he will effectively be surrendering the Russian-held territories as “not a part of the official Ukraine.”
This is a long, long way from the Spring Offensive™ and the land bridge to Crimea.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy called on the outgoing U.S. administration of President Joe Biden on Sunday to help convince NATO members to invite Ukraine to join the alliance, as Ukraine’s war with Russia enters an unpredictable new phase.
Kyiv wants NATO members to issue an invitation at an alliance meeting in Brussels this week as the invasion grinds toward its three-year mark and Russia makes battlefield gains.
Zelenskiy spoke to reporters in Kyiv alongside the new president of the European Union’s council of member states, Antonio Costa, who travelled to Ukraine on his first day in office to show support for Kyiv in its war with Russia.
The Ukrainian leader, who has been calibrating Ukraine’s positions before Donald Trump succeeds Biden in January, acknowledged that some NATO allies were still wary of inviting Kyiv to join the alliance, which obliges all members to aid each other if attacked.
“There are two months left in the current administration in the United States,” he said. “They have influence on those few European sceptics of our future (in NATO).”
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In an interview last week, Zelenskiy floated the idea of his country being granted NATO membership even while Russia occupies some captured territory, a solution he said could end the “hot stage” of the war.
In his remarks on Sunday Zelenskiy clarified that any invitation to join the alliance must extend to all Ukrainian territory, even if the alliance’s collective defence agreement might not operate in areas occupied by Russian forces.
That clarification doesn’t make any sense and if such a crucial point were actually part of the original thing, it would have been included in the original statements.
He is talking about ending the “hot stage” in a North/South Korea type situation. As you may recall, the Koreas are still technically at war, as neither side would agree to the other’s terms. Including the rest of the country in this doesn’t make any sense.
Vladimir Zelensky is only 46 years old. (Note to Editor: His name is “Vladimir,” not “Volvomotor,” which is the name of a motor in a Volvo. They changed his first name like they changed his surname. Please leave this note for public consumption.) He has a long life ahead of him, and he can’t just admit that this whole war was for nothing. If he does, he’s not going to be able to live really anywhere other than a Osama-type compound in a secret location surrounded by armed guards. Every single person with dead family members, any of the soldiers who survive, are going to want to kill him (this is probably part of why he’s pushing the “no soldier will survive” doctrine).
Saying “yes, it’s a frozen conflict, but those parts controlled by Russia also joined NATO somehow” is an attempt to figure out some way to weasel out of the situation, I guess, but there is hardly a scenario where after the fighting stops, military men don’t stage a coup in Kiev. There’s definitely no way Zelensky can end the war and win an election (if he wins through fraud, there will be a revolution). As soon as he’s out of office, he has to spend 30-40 years remaining in his life just trying to survive. He’ll have billions of dollars, obviously, but billions of dollars can’t make up for people wanting to kill him wherever he goes.
Israel doesn’t want him. They have too much baggage already. He can’t live in a villa in Italy with 10 million Ukrainian men in the EU. He’s going to have to hide in Latin America like Trotsky.
Zelensky rules out NATO invitation excluding parts of Ukraine. "Ukraine will never agree to this. Any invitation must cover all our territories. We understand Article 5 can't apply during wartime, but Ukraine won’t compromise on sovereignty," he stated. pic.twitter.com/pHPYPG0YKi
— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) December 1, 2024
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I think Turkey will be allowed into the EU before Ukraine is allowed into NATO.
For those who don’t know, Turkey applied for EU membership in 1987.
Zelensky would need a father who is leaving the presidency.
He is in a bad streak and his future looks uncertain because in reality as a thug he was not as efficient as expected and it is difficult for him to have a new genocide waiting for his help.
The worst thing is that scoring a western defeat invalidates his future plans, and the most he would achieve would be to be sent to Israel with the troops of his colleague Bibi as one more hitman.
Sounds about right.
ZATO charter forbids entering with “open territorial disputes” translate:
Romania had to drop any claim to Snake Island or other parts of the “Ukraine”
before being allowed in (somehow this does not apply to East Germany);
this also rules out Moldova even if the Zezi conquers Transdnjistr (which, with
Moldova being neutral for the moment, would lead to additional problems).
The “Ukraine”?! Maybe the Euros are cucked enough but it would spell the
(overdue) end of ZATO.
There won’t be any improvement in the lives of average Ukrainians until Zelensky is removed from power. The same situation exists in Canada, suffering under the worst government ever under Trudeau. Trudeau and Zelensky have a lot in common; both want to hang onto power until the last moment, both want to inflict as much damage as possible while they can and both are ego-driven narcissists.
So Zelensky is still publicly campaigning to join NATO, even after Putin has clearly said on a number of occasions that Russia will never allow that (I don’t think it’s just Putin), for obvious reasons, i.e. Russia will be practically surrounded by NATO members — he must be a total puppet or a psychopath — maybe both.
Early on, I called Zelensky “a Jussie Smollett with an army and a country. ” What kind of idiot would listen when someone (that being Boris Johnson) showed up and said, “I’m from London and I’m here to help.”
Putin must be the most patient man in the world. They keep pushing and pushing and he really hasn’t hit back yet. I think if the West doesn’t backoff a bit it’s going to get real bad and bad for everyone.
>Putin must be the most patient man in the world.
Yes, he seems circumspect as well — measured in what he says and does — but he’s so heavily vilified in Western propaganda that relatively few ordinary people in the West see him this way — this may be worse in Europe, which after the start of the SMO censored Russian media outlets — they were all taken off the air, and many Russian websites were blocked (DNS lookup fails) — e.g. RT has been completely inaccessible throughout the EU since the start of the SMO.