How much money has the USA thrown down the Ukraine rathole so far? The official numbers are well over $200 billion so we know the actual truth is bound to be considerably higher than that.

All I know is that normie merkins are braying daily for “More More More for muh Ukraine” and celebrating the notion that our grandchildren will be delighted to foot the bill, plus decades of interest payments.

Alternatively, our corrupt money system might just collapse long before then, which will produce an entirely different kind of delight. Mine.

Do Russians bluff ? I’ve never experienced that, but maybe this time it really is different.

Much of that money must be hidden in bitcoin accounts that, curiously, have been growing at the same time as the conflicts.

Well, if the assassination of gen. Kirillov isn’t a red line then Putin is a pushover and Russia doesn’t have any red lines.

The posit that not to adhere to a positive requires an adherence to a negative makes no sense. Between positive and negative there is neutral. I don’t have to play your game. I have no opinion one way or the other on the existence of God, a God, or many gods. I take no interest in the subject. You should be more secure in your personal beliefs. It should be of no consequence to you if others don’t share them.

All I know is that normie merkins are braying daily for “More More More for muh Ukraine”

Perhaps. As an outsider looking in, I am sceptical that most Americans even care about, much less actively support, this war nearly three years into the conflict.

Americans, I am convinced, are no longer a serious people. As the past half-century has shown (e.g. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan), certainly they are not a people who can maintain any sort of long-term commitment that will result in anything but a prolonged, slow-motion failure.

When it comes to war, I would say the authorities can keep the people at fever pitch for six months, perhaps a year at most.

But three years? No, I do not see that as possible. Rather, I see Americans becoming tired of the whole mess and anxious to forget it and move on to something else. After all, there are so many interesting ball games on the television, you can’t really blame them.

God is good.

When Putin talks about ‘red lines’, he means overt actions by the West.

It’s almost certain Ukraine was responsible for the killing of Kirillov, it was their operation, although there may have been peripheral Western involvement (e.g. use of GPS or other strategic intelligence) — generally Russia has not hit Ukrainian government centers, concentrating on military assets, also some military industrial sites and the electric grid — I seem to recall there may have been a previous missile strike close to Budanov — with the killing of Kirillov, the Ukrainians may have helped the Russians choose the next target for Oreshnik.

Until the gentleman crossed into Ukraine, there was room to defend him.

And the longer the wests waits to take action, the stromnger Russia and Russia’s invasion becomes. Red lines or no red lines, the west needs to act. The harsh reaity is that this is no longer about Ukraine itself alone.

And this,

“Speaking at a meeting of top Russian Defense Ministry officials on Monday, Putin accused the US of seeking “to weaken our country and inflict a strategic defeat” on Moscow by continuing “to pump a de facto illegitimate ruling regime in Kiev with weapons and money, sending mercenaries and military advisers, thereby encouraging further escalation of the conflict.”

After the millions, billions of dollars of investments made in Russia the idea that weakening Russia is some manner of goal makes no sense. There are clearly deep concerns about Russian authoritarianism – that is a different matter. This is the abuser blaming the victim — and then doubling down against those that seek to help the abused.

Far less than the US has spent bailing out Russia with aid for food, for monetary stability, for economic development, infrastructure, natural disasters . . .

You might want to check out the corruption scales and compare the US to Russia. Risked every strategic advantage, bending over backwards to placate Russia and avoid tripping her paranoia.

Those who disagree with your assessment of the American sheople should spend an hour or two in a shopping center or watching a network news show on a glowbox. Most revert to complacency after a Most Important Election Ever.

OT: Do your comments consistently draw the [245] tag? That’s how it worked for me pre-Handel, but I’ve just been engaging another anonymous commenter on the Bugs & Suggestions #2 thread who says that his receive a different, random number each time.

The US had troops in Afghanistan for 20 years. Isn’t that long term? Actually Americans are too patient and allow participation in pointless wars far too long.

It’s not my fight. Obsession of leftists with the Ukrainian war reminds me of children playing the board game Risk. Enlist if you feel strongly but do it without my tax dollars.

The posit that not to adhere to a positive requires an adherence to a negative makes no sense

He did not imply this. He expressly wrote that in case of not believing in the positive, it would be stupid not to adhere to the negative.

Ron should create an automatic yellow star of David for certain comments, to indicate hasbara trolls. I don’t think it would be hard to implement. This is a particularly egregious example. It’s so dumb it might be just a bot.

The “west” needs to act? The “west” today is a barren wasteland with white people not having children and celebrating “pride” while being replaced by millions of blacks and browns, it all run by a satanic cabal of perverts and jews (but I repeat myself). Who the hell cares about the exact borders of the Ukraine, when many European countries will likely disappear in less than a 100 years?!?

“Americans, I am convinced, are no longer a serious people.”

It’s worse than that. Americans are no longer even a people at all. Just a gaggle of hostile mooching foreigners, busy stuffing their pockets while standing within some imaginary lines that allegedly mark US (viz not American) “territory”.

The US had troops in Afghanistan for 20 years. Isn’t that long term?

How long did the US war in Afghanistan enjoy an active, popular backing from tbe American people before “support the troops” became just another empty, perfunctory saying like “Have a nice day”?

One year? Two, perhaps? Certainly not twenty.

There is a time when Americans apply bumper stickers supporting their latest war with great gusto. However, there is also a time when those eagerly-applied bumper stickers begin to peel and fall off.

I am convinced that the war in Ukraine has reached the “peeling bumper sticker” stage.

Actually Americans are too patient and allow participation in pointless wars far too long.

The thing about patience is that there is a finite supply of it: the supply eventually runs out.

The America of soon-to-arrive 2025 is not the America of 2021, when America was getting its arse kicked so badly in front of the entire world it could no longer deny what was happening.

My guess is that even the densest American is, at long last, starting to wake up to the fact that all of these wars do not do him or his family any favours. This is not to say that the war in Ukraine will be over tomorrow, or even in six months. Rather, that any sort of widespread, enthusiastic support is a thing of the past and the Yanks will soon begin the process of casting about for some sort of face-saving “peace with honour”.

(However, it is entirely possible that the Yanks are just as gung-ho about the Ukraine as they were at the beginning and I am simply failing to see it. Fair enough.)

“Actually Americans are too patient and allow participation in pointless wars far too long.”

Fundamentally wrong premise. Americans do not “allow” *anything*, nor do they forbid or disallow anything either. They just wearily put up with ever more noxious poisonous stuff imposed on them from above and sucked out of their pockets, as they haplessly pay for their own well-planned demise. Americans as a people have exactly zero political agency, zero political choices or options, zero political voice, at all, in their own country. They no longer even have an identity as an American “people”.

For the past thirty years at least, they have been looking on passively, slumped-over and slack-jawed, as their very country was looted and sold right out from under them, their very existence as a people energetically, even gleefully, snuffed out and exterminated in plain view, right before their eyes. They sometimes voted or murmured against it, only to have some single Jew or Jew-adjacent judge overturn their manifest will, and they shrugged and just trudged further along on the long hike to oblivion. Americans are just a bunch of half-conscious semi-comatose bed-ridden oldsters in a continent-sized nursing home, being routinely and daily abused by their foreign caregivers, and the foreigners’ Jewish managers.

The only real red line that Putin has is for those who directly threaten his absolute rulership.

No one cares. I talk to friends and neighbors, and they think it impolite to discuss politics. Obviously, you cannot mention the jews, that is 100% out of bounds. Most Americans are just nice people who want to eat nice food, watch nice tv programs, watch porn, complain about the little stuff.

They aren’t serious at all as a people. I teach at a university – it is a joke. Admin isn’t serious, the faculty are idiots, the students are bored and are boring. As a prof, you cannot depart from the orthodoxy or you become a pariah. Students don’t have a clue.

It’s been like this for decades, and these uninformed students become an uninformed population. Boomers are a bit different, as they tended to have relatively better education than today’s students, but they were the first to receive the steady propaganda treatment, and they are a lost cause.

Solution? Only in knowing, serving, and loving the True God of the Catholic faith. America is toast, but we need to protect our children, follow the Truth, and wait this out.

The Russian president also slammed the West for what he described as attempts to impose its own rules on the rest of the world while waging “hybrid wars” against anyone who resists, including Russia.

What a time. Americans who want to hear the truth about their own country have to learn it from the president of Russia.

Americans voted in 2016 to reverse the negative trends only to have their will overturned by the Republican Party going along with the Democrats, and not least by passing the Democrats’ budget. America remains largely a conservative nation and yet the Republicans have never conserved a single part of our heritage or the good things most people around the world used to associate with this country. Their silence amounts to their consent as they eventually rubber-stamp every move leftward.

When the Democrats took to the streets with hired armies to burn down cities and barricade Trump in the White House, the Republicans responded by wringing their hands. The Republicans could have thrown out the entire leftist cabal overnight but instead pretended leftist courts issuing clearly unconstitutional decisions tied their hands. It’s one thing to have enemies like the white-hating factions of the Democratic Party, but quite another to be betrayed at every turn by the Republicans you entrusted with your vote.

As horrible as that sounds, it is still vastly superior to being ruled by Russians.

This could very well mean that the next Orestnik target will be the “Federal District” of Kviv. This encompasses the Rada Parliament building, and most likely the entire Defense and Security Ministries.

I find it hard to believe that Moscow does not seek the hiding place of Zelensky and kill him dead-one way or another.

Why is that?
Is it that Russians would make sure responsibility is ruled into the people they have overcome?
It’s a devastating realization for the irresponsible to have to face consequences for their actions, even if it is the WHOLE of the Collective Waste.

Little “z” I believe is always on the move.
But take out those failed institutions and their buildings so much less toxic governance can be exercised.

“He expressly wrote that in case of not believing in the positive, it would be stupid not to adhere to the negative. ”

– It is correct that Andrew wrote that, citing Friedrich Nietzsche.

The problem is though that this ironically merely shows that he apparently has never actually read any of Nietzsche`s works thoroughly and is simply projecting his own ideas/biases into out of context limited quotes, which unfortunately sadly seems to be the standard of public opinion.

And, as far as I can see, it is ironically exactly small-minded approaches like that which Nietzsche railed against and meant by sentences like “God is dead!”.
This peculiar “all-too-human” small-mindedness which clings fanatically to some book or theory about a certain rigid (christian, moslem or whatever) “aunt Christie”- idea regarding “God” (/morals etc), apparently incapable/unwilling of accepting other views and most of all the idea that real spirituality means the independant intuition of self-given morals and “God”, not fanatical rituals and regurgitating of old texts.

How difficult this seems to be for many people being exemplified by the above cited idea “if not believing in the positive it would be stupid not to adhere to the negative”.
Translating “Beyond Good and Evil” in that way being ironically exactly the small-minded approach the term “beyond” was meant to transcend in the first place.

Nietzsche had studied theology and learned (understandibly I at least think) to despise the rather childlike fanatical christian (and other religions`) theoretical concept of “God”.
Which of course had nothing to do with “God”, but all with all-too-human conceptualization of it.
His own practical intuition/ concept of the term/idea he described many times, f.ex. in his famous poem “Dem unbekannten Gotte/ To the unknown God”:

https://www.brutenorse.com/blog/2018/8/12/to-the-unknown-god-by-friedrich-nietzsche

Regarding morals (“adhering to the negative”), isn`t the proof in the pudding/tree`s worth in the fruits?
I personally would invite anyone allegedly “believing in the positive” to compare his/her own decisions/actions in practical life to that of Nietzsche`s and show that they were objectively any more moral than his, a dedicated well regarded student, family member, writer, professor, lover/composer of arts, soldier-medic during war-time, member of highest societal intellectual and cultural circles of the time whose writings and legacy are still revered and inspire Millions and Millions of people worldwide, 120 years after his death.

If these are the tell-tale signs of adhering to the negative, well, I might consider to join…..

Yes. The Russians fight according to the Rules of War as established internationally. They do not stoop to terrorism or deliberately target civilians. They do not engage in the barbarism, savagery of the Ukrainians – an infra-human ethnic, the retarded and inferior Slavic cousins of the Russians.
In short, they display more honor than any modern military of the last century.

When the Russians started the SMO, I spend a week studying the assets, strengths, and abilities of the Russians versus the Ukrainians, and NATO. Within that week, both Scott Ritter, Doug MacGregor, and Larry Wilkerson said that Ukraine has lost before they war even started. I came to the same conclusion, based on my life’s experience, my reading of history, and study of a wide spectrum of opinions and prognostications.

It was not that difficult to arrive at this decision.

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Years ago a friend from Trinidad told me about “Carnival”. “You hear the parade going by your house, so you run out and join, and everyone is singing and dancing and blowing horns and laughing, and it goes on and on, and then you realize you are three miles out of town and it’s raining and you are drunk, and you have to walk back home ”

We here in America do this again, and again, and again. Just once I’d like to see us learn from our mistakes, and think before we join the next parade, for Iran this time.

‘Do Russians bluff ? I’ve never experienced that, but maybe this time it really is different.’

They have. Post-World War Two, they made demands on Turkey and attempted to stay in Iran — but backed down when we waved our atomic stick at them. Of course, that we were the only one who had an atomic stick helped.

See also the Berlin Airlift. Then there’s the Cuban Missile Crisis. Of course, these all involved jockeying for position on the periphery.

Problem is that here I don’t think Russia can back down. An independent Ukraine isn’t great — but not an immediate threat. A hostile Ukraine, part of a military alliance targeting Russia? That, I don’t think the Russians can accept.

They will win. Simply because they have to, and we don’t.

‘…We here in America do this again, and again, and again. Just once I’d like to see us learn from our mistakes, and think before we join the next parade, for Iran this time.’

If only for Iran’s sake. It’s not just us who suffer, but our victims.

I believe that if a nationwide vote were taken more than 50% of americans would want the US to stop spending any money on the Ukraine conflict.

This is a Judeo-Russian War, but Putin still won’t name the Jewish Power.

Jewish Supremacists are the architects of this conflict.

Putin will shoot off a 1000 missiles but cannot mutter the words. “Jews done it.”

The media reports that Russian Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov was killed in an explosion in the southern part of Moscow. He was the head of the Radiological Chemical and Biological Defence Troops of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation

The general regularly… pic.twitter.com/WhcAWRumep

— Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast) December 17, 2024

Of course they dragooned some Hohole cannon fodder to whack Kirillov. He’s working for CIA. This is a strategic gnat bite for Russia but a big relief for CIA mad scientists. Everybody in the world should watch Kirillov’s Arria Formula briefings on US banned biological weapons.

https://alethonews.com/2024/12/17/key-revelations-slain-gen-kirillov-exposed-about-pentagons-biolabs-scheme/

Still, the overwhelming evidence of CIA crime is piled up safe ready for the high-crimes trial of Kimber, Marlowe, Daszak, Haines, Baric, Kadlek et al. when CIA loses this undeclared war they started.

Of course it was CIA and MI6 backed along with other western intel agencies. The Russians and others out side the decrepit west should be whacking western generals and politicians.

Its also a Wasp war too since the Wasp have a visceral hated for the Russian people expect when the Germans attacked England then the USSR in 1941 then the Wasp was on their side.

every single one of Babyface Tsar’s Uke War “Red Lines”….

NATO Tanks….
US F-16s….
NATO missiles hitting deep Russia…
etc……

has been a bluff.

now Ukes/NATO just hit one of Russia top Generals, Igor Kirillov, as he came out of his Moscow apt.

and liddle Vlad is breathing fire, “we will retaliate” etc. etc. (did Babyface “retaliate” after Ukes/NATO tried to kill his pal Dugin and murdered his daughter instead?)

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“Ritter, MacGregor said……”

and yet here we are, heading into Year IV, with no end in sight.

I’ll admit one thing: U Putinistas tolerance for cognitive dissonance. a.k.a. denying the obvious, is truly amazing.

see also: “axis of resistance” and the “imminent collapse of Israel”.

“If I didn’t believe in God, I would want to rule the world viciously. It’s very simple logic.”

Why? I don’t believe in god, at least certainly not in the ‘god’ of the jews* and still I have high moral values and I certainly wouldn’t want to rule the world.

‘god’ of the jews*: the jewish mythical figure created by them in their various collections of fables to promote their sick agendas (the ‘chosen people myth), which eventually became the “old testament”.

Richard Dawkins talked best about this so-called ‘god’:

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
– Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

As for Putin, this is sissy and hypocrite talk. He forced his generals who wanted to fight, to capitulate in Syria and betrayed not only his allies but Russia as a nation.

The result is simple, everybody knows Putin is weak or a zionist puppet, or both. The jew zelensky has already abused the situation by having a top chemical weapons Russian (general?) assassinated in Moscow by a bomb planted on a scooter. It is at least the official version.

My dear Putin: “cry like a woman what you didn’t fight for like a man.”

Nobody believes him anymore when he mentions ‘red lines’ as he hasn’t acted on any of them.

Universities lost their purpose when they became little more than glorified trade schools. Subjects such as business and engineering would be better served through a guild/apprentice program (even law and medicine).

But businesses preferred to “offshore” their training to the Universities, and have the students/ government foot the bill. Bell Labs did its best work when they were taking high school grads straight into their programs.

Cuban missile crisis cannot really be called a bluff. The Rs were putting missiles in Cuba bc the ZOG was placing them in Turkey. The ZOG removed its missiles from Turkey in exchange for R removing theirs from Cuba. It was more of a chess move than a bluff.

Why? I don’t believe in god, at least certainly not in the ‘god’ of the jews* and still I have high moral values and I certainly wouldn’t want to rule the world.

But that’s the point – morality simply becomes a personal preference. By what standard are your moral values high? They are no more “high” than chocolate ice cream may be preferred by some to vanilla.

For Haitians, cannibalism is a “high” moral value. Are your moral values as high as theirs?

Focus, the headline grabbing red line events are provocations and retaliation, they mostly disappear from headlines fast. Wait for the conventional war to finish. Some will push for WW 3 but no-one wants a nuclear war. So they kill a high ranking officer by IED, Russia destroys something, but only in Ukraine. The war goes on, and the Ukrainian/NATO attack has had no lasting impact, while Russia probably destroyed some things that Ukraine needed.

The weakest link is the Ukrainians and their armed forces. Russia can push them to point that they don’t want to fight anymore, but at the same time keep the West from escalating too much, like finding a way to bring in European armies. If Russia hits the West directly that gives Western leaders the excuse to make up their minds about something they seem to have been working themselves up about, and they may gain public approval for it.

I don’t believe in god, at least certainly not in the ‘god’ of the jews* and still I have high moral values

It’s not about the mythology constituting the frame in which the religion exists (God, Jesus, the Trinity, the saints, the martyrs, etc), but about the morals and ethics it enforces.

Your self-assessment of being of “high morality” can be called to question.
Your being an animal like all of us – and hence subject to powerful instincts beyond your will, that, with an eye to the well-being of the community, can only reliably be governed through a system of punishments and rewards – is instead factually true and cannot be questioned.

The best system of punishment and rewards on which to run Western civilization -the one which really shaped Western civilization- is Christianity.
Christianity has been moulded to fit the characteristics of our people over more than a thousand years of history, and has incorporated what came before it, the classical culture, and especially the love and cult of Truth from Plato’s thought.

Ethically, Christianity has little or nothing to do with Judaism, or even with Islam or the Oriental religions.
None of these stress the importance of Truth, but on the contrary they acknowledge or even encourage the distortion of it – lying and deceit – for petty reasons of group or even of selfish convenience.

Yes, people say lots of things…but, in the end, no one ever steps in to oppose the United States of Israel. Russia and China will continue to sit on the sidelines and watch, just as Americans do. Nobody’s that eager to head off certain disaster. Not enough to actually do anything about it.

Wouldn’t surprise me if it were something like that. I had just come from a general-interest hobby site where half of the avatars were Ukrainian flags or pics of zelensky.

Multiple threads where people are shouted down or banned if they issue the slightest peep of dissent. And this isn’t even a political site (it’s music-related). Jewish-owned, of course.

Not reddit but it might as well be.
Like much of the internet frankly.

I don’t know any Putinistas. Everybody thinks he’s too soft, to much of a nice guy. Whacking the general calls for a strong response; one that little prick in Kiev won’t soon forget. There must be a lot of frustration amongst the Russian leadership with Putin’s dilly-dallying.

Oriental religions.
None of these stress the importance of Truth, but on the contrary they acknowledge or even encourage the distortion of it – lying and deceit – for petty reasons of group or even of selfish convenience.

Obviously you are unfamiliar with “ORs”. Uninformed guesswork. Jive assed poopy cock.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs dare name Jews either. In an article titled “Make America sovereign again”, he only says the ruinous manipulation of US military and policy was by the “Israel lobby”.

In capitalism, these practices follow inevitably from ratcheting efficiency, outsourcing/privatising, exploiting employees, subversion of unions, education as an industry, corruption of higher education and research..

The tanks have been a bust. How many left?

Have those F-16s been used at all?

It’s bizarre how many sites, however niche, have a (((cabal))) squatting in place ready to enforce the Regime narrative.

The US spent billions bailing out Israel per food, money, economic development, infrastructure creation, land theft, and the spreading of toxic christkilling Mudtalism.

Check out the corruption and compare Israel to Nazi Germany: turds of a feather!

The West risked every strategic advantage, bending over backwards to placate the Nose, but still can’t kibosh Jew arrogance and paranoia. Kikenbergs seem hellbent on experiencing Expulsion 110.

@c matt and @Lackadaisical Reader

I agree, high moral values must be defined to make sense. Let say that these values include traditional Christian values without including all the old testament stories. But one doesn’t need to have a god to know that killing is bad, eating human flesh is bad, stealing is bad, etc… We know it bcause we are not just animals but have a conscience (most of us have at least, not sure for billionaires and politicians, many of them have deep psychological issues).

“Ethically, Christianity has little or nothing to do with Judaism, or even with Islam or the Oriental religions.”

Agreed too, Jesus teachings are often compared to Bhudda’s teachings, although it is an oriental religion like Budhism. Europe also had its distintive religions from Zeus to Jupiter, Thor to Frieda, Teutatis to Odin.
Christianity merged into these religions and customs to be adopted by European people, but all the old traditions have been kept under other names, Haloween is one of the best examples.

Just to say that we certainly don’t need the ‘god’ of the Jews, European culture is rich enough to live well without it.

““The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
– Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion”

This is an interesting quote.

With such a “god” as reference it is not surprising that the jews behave the way they do, destroying, exterminating, bullying, lying, abusing, killing using their god as an excuse for their crimes.

Added to that the supremacist ideology of zionism that justifies their land grabbing, ethnic cleansing and genocides in any place they decided to invade and colonize (Palestine, Lebanon and now Syria, and the west too).

“Fundamentally wrong premise. Americans do not “allow” *anything*, nor do they forbid or disallow anything either.”

Just like the peasants under Kings.

But one doesn’t need to have a god to know that killing is bad, eating human flesh is bad, stealing is bad, etc

Apparently from everyday life experience it’s clear that most people actually need the solemnity of Christian Mass rituals, and the weight of the community cast behind them, in order to be reminded to behave without toxic selfishness. Again, the concept of a greater authority delivering punishment and rewards.
Also, fear of God – inculcated during childhood – works wonders in moulding honest citizenry.

The American jews who run the USA and the west are playing Russian roulette with the lives of their goy servants. Sooner or later a chamber in the revolver will be loaded.