I totally agree with you! We are a violent, vicious nation with a violent, vicious history, and pretending we are shocked by violence is grotesque. We revel in violence and bullying then cry crocodile tears when innocent children or people simply shopping for groceries are murdered.

Here is a sample of our history from An Indigenous People’s History:

The Sand Creek Massacre occurred on November 29, 1864. John Chivington and the First and Third Colorado Volunteers attacked Cheyenne and Arapaho incarcerated in a military reservation. They killed 105 women and children, and 28 men. An 1865 investigation by Congress found they burned tepees, stole horses, and after the smoke cleared, returned, killing any survivors and mutilating corpses. They decorated their weapons and caps with fetuses, penises, breasts, and vulvas, and then displayed their trophies at Denver’s Apollo Theater to an “adoring public.”

“Countries with gun control have less gun violence.” Utter rubbish.

In wonderful gun-controlled Mexico, the official per capita homicide rate is about five times that of the United States. And no, most guns used in crime in Mexico do not come from the United States (you can look that up on wikipedia so it must be true!). Mass shootings happen in Mexico all the time – and nobody is screaming that the “this carnage has to end!”or slandering the Mexicans as addicted to violence. Because it would serve no useful political purpose.

“In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States” – wikipedia, “Smuggling of firearms into Mexico”, as of June 3, 2022.

Mass shootings happen in Europe as well. Not that long ago, there was a mass shooting in France that killed 90 people (I am pretty sure that’s more than the US record). But there were no calls to action, no cries of “this carnage has to end!” As with most mass shootings in Western Europe , it was committed by Islamic extremists – and that’s OK. There are no calls to limit the ability of people in extremist anti-christian anti-european countries to move freely to Europe (as Japan as done) – because that would limit the access of the rich to cheap labor, and anything that cuts the profits of the rich is by definition racist. So instead we hear that, yes, this mass shooting was unfortunate, and we feel for the families, but these things happen, boys will be boys, traffic accidents kill more people, life will go on.

I am outraged by this selective outrage.

Mr. Rall makes some cogent points, but his assertion that the BLM rioters were trying to stop police brutality is off the mark, though looted Nike athletic shoes might help Demetrius avoid hurt by outrunning the cops, provided he doesn’t trip over his below-the-ass pants.

He’s right about U.S. government state-sponsored desruction and torture adding to the culture of violence. However, his supposedly calmer Europeans seem quite intent on fomenting war in Ukraine, destroying countries through subversive color revolutions, busting the heads of protesters, and forcing the killer covid jabs on their populations.

Now, if nationwide riots are an acceptable response to common criminal George Floyd’s fentanyl-fueled, police-assisted demise, how might we respond to state-sponsored violence against children through damaging vaccinations, gender bender mutilations, at-birth abortions, and starvation by way of deliberate infant formula shortages?

I guess we’d need nuclear-armed rioters, which won’t be necessary, I suppose, since the neocon crazies are drooling over the prospects of global thermonuclear war. At least, with the popularity of yoga these days, many folks will be able to comply with the old advice about bending over and kissing their ass goodbye.

Tobysgirl—————I suppose that i should give a shyte,but i don’t.

This indeed … Ted Rall publishes a big deception above, when he writes

Countries with gun control have less *gun* violence

But what about the OTHER ways of killing, huh, Ted?

It’s cold fact that – in the Americas – GUN CONTROL COUNTRIES HAVE MUCH MORE GENERAL VIOLENCE AND MURDER, given that gangs with knives and clubs can kill people who have no guns and are defenceless, even if the gangs are short on illegal guns

Regarding societies with significantly violent minorities – i.e., most of the Americas – statistics PROVE THAT VIOLENCE GOES DOWN when MORE HONEST PEOPLE HAVE guns

In 2019 pre-Floyd statistics, the USA had the 4th LOWEST MURDER RATE in all of the Americas, along with Canada (2nd biggest gun-owning country in Americas), Chile and Cuba … More guns, less murder, it’s that simple and clear for the ‘multi-racial’ Americas

Mexico with its gun control has several times the USA murder rate, as TG notes. Even ‘reputedly safe’ Costa Rica has 2.5x the USA murder rate.

USA has 20,000 or so murders a year and 335 million (official) people. Brasil with ‘gun control’ and around 200 million people, was having 65,000 murders, 4x-5x the rate.

Bolsonaro made it easer to buy guns in Brasil and MURDERS WENT DOWN

45 of 50 of the most murderous cities in the world are in the Americas. Multi-cultural societies where people feel rootless, often having mixed-race heritages. Significantly more violence levels than in many poorer but more ethnically homogenous countries.

Europe is the 2nd most heavily armed Continent in the world (75-100 million civilian handguns, rifles, shotguns in Europe, most Americans don’t know this) … and yet it was very safe and low-violence … tho things have changed since big migrant waves arrived

The couching in several aspects agree shows people need to rethink thinking, though separate different type or culture as to violence, based on natural right equality, would be healthy, imo, and more focus on sharing, tribal. There’s difference between psycho violence and right violence, but because people sit, the psycho type is taking over. People tolerating ‘horror’ movies’ or ‘video gamze’, twists natural law instinct to ignore threat. The same time tolerate ‘police’ and false ‘war’ is unsane. What about ‘vax’ mandates’. The training to sit for false enter train ment violence, but to not react to subtle or direct threat is twisted.

Reminds on false labels also, ‘assault weapons’, all guns are ‘assault’ weapons, it’s a nonsense label to sound scary so only govt cons or drug gangs have faster guns. If we’re attacked by a gang we would want a fast gun. The con to limit guns is a con. It’s not equality.

Though some people have sense of threat, unless people are being directly hit on the head, too many fail to see the threats on us, and engage before it hits us. Would be good if more would see we’re being pushed in a psychotic frame. Need to rethink our culture of thinking. Agree on that part of article.

One more thought of, similar to ‘assault’ guns nonsense label, the nonsense – ‘need to end gun violence in the u.s.’ – our retort on govt media should be – how about you ‘end’ your military ‘gun violence’ overseas first. Suggest make note.

Also if we ‘ended gun violence’ -that would leave people free to stab us. It’s a dumb platitude. Ted sort of has an angle being anti war, which is right, though is just missing being shot at by psycho fraud police, then he would want fast guns for everyone. Equality.

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We need to keep in mind that the entire premise of the United States was the genocide of Native Americans who owned the land when the colonists arrived. That genocide was wrapped in America’s embrace of chattel slavery. There is much to call heinous about slavery, but perhaps the most heinous is the white master often would go to the slave quarters and sexually abuse slave women. Then the white master would sell the children of those couplings–his own children. American society is defined by the fact that for the first 75 years or so of the independent American nation it was quite legal to sell your own children as slaves. After the civil war, and up until recently, the most “American” form of entertainment was the celebration of the “old west.” Cowboy and Indian movies are a cultural celebration of genocide. Much of the rest of the world learned about “how to” do modern genocide from America. Indian reservation is just the American way of saying concentration camp. Of late the cowboy TV shows have been replaced largely by crime procedurals–but the narrative is the same. Good guy shoots bad guy and all is well.

We have plenty of crazies of all races committing atrocities in America, but the predominant “culture of violence” here is black. It’s undeniable, and it is now unstoppable.

“Gun control” and gun laws are aimed at disarming and cowing law-abiding whites who still believe in traditional America. TPTB have no intention of disarming blacks, and are loath to punish blacks for any kind of violence they commit. Our elites and our self-hating whites actually celebrate and reward our sick “black culture.” Whites give blacks awards, praise and money for saying and singing the very words that whites are now forbidden to use.

There is no longer any hope of future peace and safety in America. There is no civil solution possible, since at least half of the white population wallows in cowardly shame, and openly despises and punishes its own race.

Between 1982 and June 2022, 68 out of the 129 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters. An African American was the shooter in 21 mass shootings, and a Latino was the shooter in 11 shootings. The remaining shootings were done by Asians, “other”, or “unknown.”

Our typical image of a school shooter is a white teenage boy. The shooter in the San Diego school shooting that inspired the Boomtown Rats song, “I don’t like Mondays,” was a white teen girl, Brenda Spencer.

The key point to looking at the numbers is that most of what you (Gutta Percha) say, has zero to do with the statistics for mass shootings. Megan McArdle looked at the numbers for who commits mass shootings and her number was 67% are committed by white men. The is slightly higher than the number I use above.

The key fact is that most mass shooters are men. Brenda Spencer is the outlier.

The question is why do white teen boys and white men feel a need to engage in mass shooting.

Mr. Rall wrote that we have a cultural problem that starts in the White House. I wrote that we have a deeper cultural problem embedded in America’s essential narratives.

The movie “Full Metal Jacket” does an excellent job of exposing this tension and this narrative.

What better way to prove you are a man than go all John Wayne cowboy and shoot up a school. The White House tells you that you can join the Army and shoot up Iraqi or African schools. But why put on a uniform to do that, when you can go to the local gun store, get an Army gun, and shoot up a school closer to home.

The Space aliens are in control of everything.. when the mother ship arrives, there’s a seat waiting for all my friends. Sautéed in buttered, you will be a treat to many..

Megan McArdle looked at the numbers for who commits mass shootings and her number was 67% are committed by white men. The is slightly higher than the number I use above.

Yeah, it depends on your definition of “mass shooting”:
https://www.takimag.com/article/triggered/

But last year, according to Gun Violence Archive, there weren’t just a handful of memorable mass shootings, but 693, almost two per day. There had been “only” 272 mass shootings back in 2014, before the Ferguson Effect kicked in. Then the Floyd Effect drove the number up from 417 in 2019 to 611 in 2020 and 693 last year. This year is on pace to be similar to the first two years of our ongoing “racial reckoning.”

All careful investigations find that a large majority of mass woundings involve black victims and black perpetrators. For instance, The New York Times published its analysis of all 2015 incidents with four or more gunshot victims (not counting the initiator of the shooting) killed and/or wounded:

Over all, though, nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black. Some experts suggest that helps explain why the drumbeat of dead and wounded does not inspire more outrage.

Thank you for the reference!

IMHO I hate the label “gun violence.” What about all the “knife violence” in England, and all the “Grenade Violence” in Sweden? Homicide is homicide.

But: the rich don’t are if the proles kill each other. The rich only care if the proles can defend themselves agains the state, or (heavens to mercy!) rebel against their overlords. Hence the focus on semi-automatic long guns, even though most homicides are committed with pistols…

some countries have been pacified/disarmed, do as you’re told, ‘citizen’. In the US, our citizens may keep and bear arms, that right shall not be infringed, and it dates back to the founding of the US in the face of british occupation. The purpose of the rifle was so that citizens could be rallied up and join the war effort.

Today, instead of british troops, we have all the criminals the govt. will never successfully round up on because they just don’t have the resources and never will. Society has decidedly gone downhill and the gun stores are booking record sales as ‘woke’ law enforcement whiffs the ball again and again and rumor has it the supreme court is being dragged to the breakers as well.

There is also what happens if the whole thing goes potty and we have riots privation social breakdown etc., zombie apocalypse basically. Or, a foreign invasion, some foreign power seeing our country in disarray and dysfunction with a senior citizen at the wheel, and deciding that their time has come to install themselves on our shores.

Should you be able to buy and own a soldier’s rifle? any rifle? Any gun? The modern respo nse is ‘come and take it’, possession being 9/10 the law and bleeding hearts be damned and remembering here that during the riots one such rifle was used to stand off trespassers and another to shoot violent attackers. O tempora, o mores, but police themselves are now using such weapons to do battle with the criminal element. shall the public have the right of armed self-defense and what happens to the law thing when the police quit and walk off the job? Every joe for himself…and joe wants to strike down 2A. Let’s keep our constitutional rights but let’s get educated about firearms, the law, and the mental influence of mass media including web content movies music and video video video games on impressionable young people who might be carrying hostility along with that pistol. Gangs are recruiting…

Totally agree with the overall premise. The occupants of the White House have been really poor role models over the years. It is really easy to point to their hypocrisy. But the problem lies deeper.

Thanks to a report by Greg Reese on Infowars, I have it fresh in my mind that at least some mass shootings are directly caused by our demonic government. The formula is this: find a suitable sucker and set him up, have one or more spook shooters create carnage, let your sucker/patsy take the fall and the pros who really did it melt into the background because no one is looking for them. This worked fabulously with Oswald and JFK and it has been repeated many times since. San Bernardino, Sandy Hook, and Columbine all fit the bill. I’m pretty sure the Vegas country music festival shootings fit as well. And don’t forget McVeigh.

Why? Fear! Give the normies some bogeyman to horrify them and then demand that civil liberties be sacrificed. For the greater good, you see.

There is nothing these scum won’t do for power.

Of course you leave out the details from Steve Sailer’s article from Taki. Sailer explains that most sources do not include “gang” shootings in mass shootings. For example, as Sailer notes, quite correctly, the famous “St Valentines Massacre” where 7 died does not qualify as a mass shooting because it was a gang hit.

Those who try to say blacks commit most of the mass violence seek to mix gang shootings with actual mass shootings. Those are horses of a different color.

Gang shootings are not the random violent acts like a school shooting. What we need to do to reduce gang shootings is entirely different from what it takes to stop gang shootings. It is not helpful to public debate to mix gang shootings in with mass shootings.

Those who mix gang shootings with white shootings are merely trying to avoid discussion of white male violence. It is a distinct and disturbing phenomena.

– It struck me that most all papal mammal edicts start with

“Our Culture of Violence Comes from the White …”.

Kudos to Mr. Rall for coming up with an original ending.

– The best for a doe-eyed … well, doe is still the Mauser 7×64.
Truth be told however, from what I´ve heard a good many Americans really
need automatics and large-capacity magazines.
But all that talk about hunting is just implicit denial of the right to self-defense
(“What do you really need more than a single-shot muzzle-loader for?
Lead-free of course.”)
so we are talking about 200 mostly peaceful joggers, and they do wear vests.

– The American infatuation with bombing shitty little countries they cannot find
on a map is clearly surrogate compensation for being afraid of their own
twats, joggers and (((rulers))) – as “manifest destiny” is patently just
rationalization of the otherwise-unjustifiable.
I´m not too sure about the exact causal linkages involved here …

If you doubt this is true, look at nations with low rates of violent crime like Switzerland, Denmark and Japan.

Giggle.

I think we are arguing past each other. I took Rall’s term “culture of violence” to mean all criminal gun violence in the USA, whereas you seem to be focused mainly on the comparatively rare (though certainly atrocious) mass shooting phenomenon, particularly on those mass shooters who have the intention of many definite kills (rather than ‘sprayers and prayers,’) and who fully intend to die during the attack.

A good, short, and recent source that I rely upon when indicting black violence is Murray’s “Facing Reality.” If you are aware of any errors whatsoever in his book, I’d be glad to learn about them.

Anecdotally, among my small circle of friends, in the last twelve years, three have been attacked (stuck up and carjacked) by blacks with guns (one of them twice,) and one was murdered in his home in the blackest part of the city. I know nobody personally who has been attacked here by non-black assailants. Our city, every single day, sees hundreds of rounds expended by blacks, usually from vehicles, mostly randomly but sometimes targeted, and often seemingly for fun and kicks and building ‘street cred.’ It’s NOT white dudes imitating what they saw in a John Wayne movie, I promise you. If you are lucky enough not to live among lethal and stupid black degenerates as I do, then count yourself lucky, and perhaps therefore a bit naive about black violence.

Comparing black gangbangers/alleged gangbangers to sophisticated crime orgs like the Mafia gets the horselaugh. Most of these shootings by blacks are due to personal disputes, fits of pique and poor impulse control. Apropos of the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre, Sailer was just pointing out the wackiness of the Mother Jones system of counting mass killings:

Mother Jones takes further steps to exclude off-Narrative incidents, such as robberies gone wrong, gang dustups, domestic murder-suicides, and shootings in which nobody saw nothing because, in this neighborhood, snitches get stitches. For instance, the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre that Al Capone ordered in 1929 that rubbed out seven Irish mobsters would not make Mother Jones’ list if it happened today because it was gang-related.

These criteria pare down Mother Jones’ mass-shooting count to only 127 cases over the past four decades, but their list manages to catch almost all the mass shootings that New York Times subscribers are trained to recall. All the hits are included: Columbine, Aurora Dark Knight Rises, Sandy Hook, that incel in Santa Barbara, Roof, the gay Pulse nightclub, Las Vegas, Parkland, the El Paso Walmart, and so forth and so on.

But even the Europhobic MJ methodology can no longer be counted on to yield the fruits MJ is looking for:

On the other hand, as the country diversifies, the non-Hispanic white share in the Mother Jones count drops, from 67 percent in 1982–2012 to 50 percent in 2013–2022.

Seems to me that the elemental flaw in the gun control debate is the premise that mass (or individual) shootings can be stopped before they occur. This assumes the option exists of devising a sort of pre-crime bureau that would seek out and stop criminals before they commit their crimes. This thinking may best be left to sci-fi movie scripts, because it is not a possibility within our present concensus of what constitutes civil or legal rights and responsibilities.

Laws can never eliminate motive, but it remains society’s responsibility to legally reduce means and opportunity. While it is true that firearms do not create deadly violence, the fact is that they allow it to be carried out with maximum efficiency. In less time than it takes to think – literally – a copper-jacketed lead projectile traveling a thousand feet per second can inflict an irreparable, lethal wound. It would take a special kind of insanity, perseverance, and physical strength to wreak the same amount of damage to human tissue with a knife, the proverbial blunt instrument, or even a rock or a pointy stick.

The larger question is why there is so much violence in America and not in other advanced nations may or may not be a valid one. One might be tempted to speculate that the answer may lie in the embarrassing reality that for over four hundred years this place has been the dumping ground for the rejects, misfits, fanatics, and literal criminals and madmen of the rest of the world. Few who were not already at the bottom of the social or economic order in their homeland made the arduous trek for a new start here. With nearly a third of a billion people now crammed into a space that had less than half that number two generations ago, and a wrecking crew duopoly in Washington gutting the economy and the social safety net while pitting phony “identity” groups against one another, antisocial pressures have grown exponentially. The ugly explosions we’ve seen may well be the result, as are the generally asinine arguments of the firearms fetishists as well as those of their discontents.

On the other hand, bemoaning that there is a mass shooting every day and that there are almost four hundred million guns in the country fails to notice that these horrific incidents are literally less than one-in-a-million events. It seems a reasoned, not-hysterical approach might be to actually be pleased that they are so rare, rather to allow one’s emotions to be manipulated by sensationalized media coverage and the sleazy self-seeking politicians on both sides of the debate. Anxious, frightened people are always the easiest to control, after all. Given the unspeakably taboo yet painful reality of the violence that is inherent in capitalism and global imperialism and the toxic cultural influence they exert, it may well be a testimony to the American character that so few of us go over the edge.

Or the alternative is to recognize that you cannot commit a gun crime without a gun. In that case, we should ban guns, go door to door and seize them, patrol the border to limit smuggling.

People may then be violent, but they will be limited in their choice of violence tools to an arsenal that is not so deadly.

I know I said I wasn’t going to reply to you again but omg, what the hell, man?

After we implement your solution, let’s also ban narcotics. It will be so simple to just confiscate illegal drugs and patrol the border to limit smuggling. Hahaha. Yer sharp as ever ‘arry.

You realize we never seriously banned drugs and went door to door to confiscate. Banning drugs was all about letting the GOP reverse the civil rights act by putting felony convictions on black men.

“We never…went door to door to confiscate. ”

Right, because we have rights and have had a relatively free society. Are we to abandon that tradition? Can you possibly be an actual attorney? From where? The Bolshevik University of Leningrad? Or are you just a troll? A comedian?

We have virtually no freedom and people do not even understand how that is true or why. Your movements are tracked via your phone and your credit cards or via the cash you took out of the ATM (which recorded the serial numbers. It is easily possible, on that basis, to identify likely gun owners and comply with 4th Amendment warrant requirements before we go door to door to seize guns in the wake of a ban. Further, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the civil war because of the emergency. Gun violence is so out of control Lincoln style measures are required to protect American safety. We also routinely in law enforcement use “snitches” and “undercover” to lead us to crime, in the wake of a gun ban one obvious solution to finding all the guns is to pay children to rat out their parents. Of course if we banned guns, people who possess guns would be criminals and we would expect law enforcement to zealously enforce the law. Why is it in gun ban debates, people always contend owners will not voluntarily surrender their guns. It is fascinating that in gun ban debates the pro-gun side typically argues that gun owners are criminal at heart and would willfully violate gun laws. That fact is the problem with American gun violence.

The problem with American gun violence is that American culture is so thoroughly degraded, materialistic and life-negating. You will cry over the mass shooting victims (some of whom were undoubtedly killed by agents of the government you would dispatch to round up the guns of is who’ve committed no crime) while advocating for the Supreme Court to leave in place an unconstitutional decision leading to the butchering of 100s of thousands of children in utero each year. You will defend the lockdowns that destroyed small businesses while leaving corporate big boxes and liquor stores open. You will applaud drag queen story time, CRT in schools and anything else that maintains division along the lines of identity and degrades the traditional family. I know this because you are so low as to suggest that children be offered 30 pieces of silver to be Judases to their parents. The solution to many, not all, problems in this country is to find a way to exile or otherwise remove scum like you from the voter rolls and discourse. The problem isn’t my 2A rights. It’s your 1A rights.