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As Donald Trump is about to be nominated for a second term, how his presidency has already altered the orientation of his party is on display.
Under Trump, the GOP ceased to be a party of small government whose yardstick of success was how close it came to a balanced budget.
Trump signed on this spring to $3 trillion in deficit spending to rescue the economy from a depression into which the government had shoved it to control the spread of the coronavirus. He is prepared to spend a trillion dollars more.
By opening new lands and seas to exploration, building pipelines, permitting fracking and slashing regulations, Trump has brought the U.S. to an energy independence which other presidents only promised.
The Trump GOP has abandoned an ideological commitment to free trade that dates back to the Kennedy administration and reembraced the economic nationalism of the 19th-century Republicans who built the world’s greatest industrial and manufacturing power.
Globalism has been relegated to the ash heap of history as our populist president trashed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate accords, and began to impose tariffs on countries that have looted America’s manufacturing base.
While Trump has been prevented by the Russophobia of our Beltway elites from seeking a detente with Vladimir Putin, he has managed to avoid a military collision.
Trump has also ended the decades-long freeriding of NATO allies on the U.S. defense budget, convincing many of them to contribute more.
He has made the Republican Party the pro-Israel Party, recognizing Israel’s annexation of the occupied Golan Heights and East Jerusalem by moving the U.S. embassy there. He effected the recognition of Israel by the UAE in return for Bibi Netanyahu’s postponement of the annexation of the 30% of the West Bank envisioned in Trump’s own “Deal of the Century.”
While Trump has not extracted this country from the forever wars of the Middle East — Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria — he routed ISIS and kept us out of Libya’s civil war.
Unlike his predecessors, Trump has tabled the issue of immigration, especially mass illegal migration across the Southern border, and made progress on the border wall he made a feature of his 2016 campaign.
A discredited NAFTA has been replaced by a new trade deal, and a leftist government in Mexico City is helping prevent migrants from entering southern Mexico on their way to the United States.
Trump has done as much as Reagan to deregulate the U.S. economy and reduce taxes on workers, producers, and investors. Before COVID-19 hit in force in March, stock markets were hitting all-time highs and unemployment rates all-time lows.
He has nominated and elevated two Supreme Court justices and hundreds of federal judges.
The horizon, however, does not appear to be without perils.
Bellicosity toward Beijing is being reciprocated, and China appears ready for confrontation to validate its claims in the South and East China seas and Taiwan Strait.
What Beijing is doing to America — espionage, intellectual property theft, forced technology transfers, running up $600 billion trade surpluses at our expense — is Trump’s concern, not what Beijing is doing to restrict democracy in Hong Kong.
While his outreach to North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un failed to persuade Kim to surrender his nuclear arsenal in return for recognition, trade and aid, even some of Trump’s enemies applauded his effort.
If Trump loses in November, however, much of what he has done will be undone.
The U.S. will agree anew to abide by the Paris climate accords and the Iran nuclear deal of John Kerry and Barack Obama will be revived.
Joe Biden says that only those making above $400,000 will pay higher taxes. Yet, the Democrats’ economic plan envisions higher payroll and personal income tax rates, higher capital gains and corporate tax rates, and even higher death taxes on estates.
Trump has also changed the character and composition of the GOP, making it more of a working- and middle-class party.
Where George H.W. Bush sought to build a “New World Order” with America as global hegemon and George W. Bush peached a global crusade for democracy “to end tyranny in our world,” Trump is all-in on “America first.” Bush transnationalism belongs to yesterday.
Even in confronting Xi Jinping’s China, Trump’s primary concern is not on how Beijing treats its people but on how it treats us.
America has a history of such cold realism.
FDR recognized Stalin’s regime in the USSR in 1933, when Hitler rose to power in Germany. Ike invited Nikita Khrushchev to tour the U.S. after the “Butcher of Budapest” had drowned the Hungarian Revolution in blood. During the Cold War, we partnered with Somoza, the Shah, Gen. Pinochet and Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek.
Trump, too, sees himself not as a moral crusader for human rights but as a defender of American interests in the world.
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”
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> “.. began to impose tariffs on countries that have looted America’s manufacturing base.”
typical whiney, small-child US mindset of being unable to admit responsibility for one’s own actions. The US freely economically/politically/militarily tramples nations underfoot with routine Mafia-style actions and a smug sense of superiority. The US has also made trade agreements in a way calculated to weaken the US industrial base and the power of the US blue collar population – but this is somehow caused by the people they made the agreement with.
Grow up Buchanan, and take responsibility like a man.
PLAGIARIST AND FRAUD JOE BIDEN HAS ADVANCED ALZHEIMER’S DISEASE—NOBODY SHOULD VOTE FOR HIM.
Thanks, Sir. Trump has done a good job in some ways, but the left-wing media has attacked him.
Joe Biden has severe advanced Alzheimer’s dementia, as he does not know who is running against or where he is. He says that Biden will beat Biden.
Joe Biden plagiarized campaign speeches, and lied about being in the top half of his law school, etc. when he was near the bottom and even the left wing media declared him OVER back then, before he developed Alzheimer’s. See the Dinesh D’souza video here:
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That is why Bidin’ is hiding in his basement. They are afraid of him debating, so he is running away.
But they should schedule some debates, and if only Trump shows up, and he should attack Biden mercilesslessly.
Somebody should buy Pat a dictionary.
Lots to sift through in the litter box today.
1. A non sequitur, but Mr. Buchanan has to keep Iran on the Enemies List:
2. Some lies and gibberish about Uncle Sam’s efforts to bring peace and prosperity to people in MENA:
As to ISIS, is “routed” like “directed”? There’s no need to be “in” the ongoing “civil war” in Libya because that horror is a Washington-desired consequence of its destruction.
3. This sentence is, of course, a laughable lie, but what does “tabled” mean?
4. Standard cluelessness about and synthetic sympathy for Americans outside the Beltway:
5. Mr. Gorsuch recently arrogated the power of Congress to rewrite the civil rights law. So for the hackneyed argument that voting Team Red will save us from “leftist” judges, we see this single, say nothing sentence:
6. Anyone here who still thinks that Mr. Buchanan isn’t now just an Exceptional! propagandist should read again these last, three paragraphs, which he has the face to run next to the picture of his old book:
are all imaginary offenses, conjured up to excuse the corrupt, amateurishness that has been the hallmark of American governance for decades.
There is not a single case of significant espionage or IP theft in any court in the world. There is no such thing as ‘forced technology transfers,’ and our trade deficits, like our manufacturing, have been of our own doing.
RaRaRa!
Trump “routed ISIS?” Hmm. Thought the Shia militias, Russians, and the Syrian Army had a smidge to do with that. Guess Buchanan forgot to list Trump’s support of Saudi Arabia’s assault on Yemen in the list of accomplishments.
The growing confrontation with China has the two countries on a collision course for war; conflict between these two economic titans will be world war. President Trump did not create this crisis. It has been building for decades. Politicians of all hues want manufacturing jobs returned to the US from China – rejuvenating the economy. But that will mean job losses in China – not in China’s interests. Pat Buchanan is right to focus on “American interests”. But it is the irreconcilable clash of interests that drives nations to war, as history shows, unless “cold realism” can prevent it.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
Lol. Both parties service the same oligarchs and foreign lobbies. Trump is the anti-Obama brought in for the deplorables who were hungry for a change, just like Obama was brought in as the anti-Bush 13 years back.
Pat should just retire at this point. This kind of uninspired, crude propaganda is probably on par with what Soviet “Pravda” used to publish in the 80s – and this time we can’t even use it to line a bird cage.
Yet the sheep among us keep participating, and almost always Red or Blue so as not to “waste” their precious vote. Even when forewarned:
Linh Dinh, “Orlando Shooting Means Trump for President,” June 12, 2016, @ The Unz Review.
The transition of Mr. Buchanan here from respected commentator to piñata is encouraging, though. The only support comes from romantic loyalists or the weird, robotic likes of “Rational.”
To bring manufacturing and jobs back to the US, all that’s necessary is for the Fed Gov to stop stealing so much of the nations wealth so as to allow a decent standard of living with much lower costs.
Manufacturing moved overseas voluntarily to gain a price competitive advantage from less regulation and less expensive labor. The Chinese didn’t yank manufacturing out of the US. The corporations saw a good deal and took advantage.
US labor rates are so high because the Fed Gov steals (taxes) too much from each paycheck. There are too many onerous regulations that increase compliance costs for employers. Just look at the waste of resources to file income tax returns as but one example.
If the Fed Gov disappeared, taxes could be lowered, the cost of labor could be lowered and the US might once again be price competitive with other locations. The problem isn’t the low cost in China, but the high cost in the US and the Fed Gov is the primary reason for those high costs to fund their endless wars and to build up the military.
[W]hat does “tabled” mean?
Yeah, I wondered about that too. In parliamentary procedure, when something is “laid on the table,” it means that it will no longer be considered. If that’s what Pat meant then I pretty much agree–Trump has done very little on immigration, especially the key move to deport the criminal DACA infiltrators.
The GOP was never the party of small government…it just talked about being the party of small government.
How was he prevented from seeking a detente with Vladimir Putin? If he had balls and principles he would have succeeded.
Are you bragging or complaining?
Progress not worth mentioning
In light of the fact that the rich have become much richer and the middle class has been screwed into the lower class…there needs to be more regulation of large corporations.
The stock market has been in an overpriced bubble for years…thanks to the Fed’s zero interest rate.
Both SC justices appear to be perverse shitlibs.
No technologies were forcibly transferred or trade surpluses run up at our expense…this was done willfully by large avaricious corporations for more profit.
In words only…not deeds.
Why not a crusader against anti-white racism?
I’m not inclined to waste time bashing Trump, but praising him with half-truths isn’t accomplishing anything besides preaching to the already converted.
Just be honest: Trump’s basically just an entertaining looter who feathers his own nest, throws the occasional crumb to some people who don’t get a lot of crumbs, and outrages many people who deserve to be outraged. Aside from the gratifying shock of his election, the only really impressive thing about his presidency is that he’s avoided being assassinated.
In a system of lesser evils, that’s either good enough for you or it isn’t. No need to look foolish overestimating the guy’s importance; leave that to the opposition.
To summarize: Trump is truly awful. Certainly one of the USA’s worst Presidents. But bad as he is, he’s much better than any of the alternatives being offered by the dimocrats, the stoopid party establishment, or the ruling elite running things behind the scenes.
That aside, Buchanan’s take on the Zionist fifth column that dictates the USA’s foreign policy is appalling. The USA’s support of Israel’s illegal, immoral, and reckless aggression in the Middle East and Israel’s violations of national sovereignty around the world run counter to US interests in ways that are both stupid and damaging.
Not only that, how about Mr. Trump’s pledge to eliminate Birthright Citizenship? If that had been enacted, would it not have prevented Kamala Harris from being on the democrat ticket, since neither of her parents were US citizens when she was born?
I only disagree with your corporaphobia.
What is said that is not true?
Trump and his campaign tout the historic gains in Black employment that occurred during the Trump administration. But this is a weakness, not a strength, as far as winning the Black vote is concerned. It starkly underscores the fact that the choice is between a low-wage job, and enhanced benefits, such as health care, preschool, free college, and so on. Blacks understand that the latter package is fnancially worth more than the former. Further, the latter package comes with 52 weeks of paid vacation. If this were my predicament, I would choose the latter package.
There will be no war with China that’s just utter propaganda,the American companies and corporations will make sure of that,do you really think they are going to give up that huge profit that rolls in like clockwork so their C.E.O. can rake in millions in compensation,buy their stock back to fuel the market and make them richer yet.Ya no way.!!!
I think he meant ” the Republican Party the pro-Israel Party.
Curious how he forgets all of the US intellectual property theft, such as Apple stealing MP3 and repackaging it. How about the kerfuffle 20+ years ago when the “5 Eyes” were intercepting all electronic information exchange (including faxes) in Europe and using it to leapfrog competitors?
De-regulation is a two edged sword. Energy consumption can be reduced in many ways. For example, in homes, higher building code standards for insulation. Insulation keeps cold out in the winter, and in during the summer. De-regulation eliminates higher standards.
Much higher gas mileage has been possible for more than 50 years, but US car manufacturers have worked hand in hand with big oil to suppress that, something pointed out by Ralph Nader in the 1970s.
Every highway built or expanded subsidizes the auto and trucking industries at to the detriment of rail. Airports were built with massive public funding, and have been a subsidy to the never ending creation of “discount” airlines. Again, to the detriment of rail.
When the NSDAP “rose to power” it was done entirely within the constitution of the Wiemar Republic. Hitler was appointed Chancellor by President Hindenburg on January 30, 1933.
On February 27, 1933, the Reichstag was burned. A communist was caught inside the building and was convicted of setting the fire. Keep in mind, the communists had seized control of two areas in Germany in 1919, and were crushed. The Enabling Act was passed by a majority of the Reichstag on March 23, 1933. The NSDAP were not the majority in the Reichstag.
In March of 1933, representatives of the American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress and B’nai B’rith met in New York City, and on March 23, 1933, declared war on Germany.
Is it a surprise that Rosenfeld recognized Stalin and the USSR Jews running the show in November 1933?
1. A non sequitur, but Mr. Buchanan has to keep Iran on the Enemies List:
I noted that as well. What no one talks about is that Iran is an NPT signatory. Under the NPT, Iran has the right to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. Not only is there not reliable intelligence on that, Iran has voluntarily allowed the most invasive IAEA inspections of any country, and while there have been very minor infractions found from time to time, all have been corrected. On top of that Supreme Leader Khomeini issued a fatwa banning nuclear weapons, which was re-issued by current Supreme Leader Khamanei. The phony narrative about the deal allowing Iran to develop nukes, ignores that as an NPT signatory, they have agreed they won’t. The problem, as I see it, is that Israel never keeps agreements, and the US has a long history of making agreements, them immediately says they mean something else. Both expect that other countries will behave in the same manner.
The “deal” was actually a restriction on Iran’s rights to develop peaceful nuclear technology, which includes radio nuclides for research and radio pharmaceuticals, a very lucrative enterprise, which require enrichment to 20%.
I finally gave up on Pat. Pathetic.
Apparently “tabled” means the opposite in the UK from what it means here in the USA.
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/96961/tabled-us-vs-uk#96962
But we already knew them ferners caint speak proper American anyway.
Well everything you say is true but remember this is the most important election ever,hmm now where have I heard that before.!!!
Creepy Paddy. Put your shoes on Paddy, don’t you know this is 2020?
177,000 deaths were entirely preventable. IMPEACH. Mishandling and then claiming things such as miracles and being just like the flu–one indeed flew over the cuckoo’s nest.
Your comments lack thought or insight. Perhaps you should re-read Mr. Buchanan’s words. It might help with your comprehension. Reading is not just “reciting the words” but understanding them.
Foreign policy?
Trump does nothing but grovel before his Israeli masters.
For the DemocRats, that’s not nearly good enough.
Guess they would like to see him suck Benny Nutandyahoo’s cock on prime time TV.
Once a week, at least. Without kneepads.
ZeroHedge carried the same Buchanan article. I posted a comment there that made it past the algo that looks out for words such as “Jew”. But an hour later it had been deleted at the behest of the resident Jew or shabbos goy patrol. Here it is:
To be exact running up $600 billion in trade surpluses that we pay with dollars that we can print at will, trillions at a time.
After reading this article by Paddy, I wonder if he realizes how much he has in common with Biden in the compos mentis department. Of course when people start losing their marbles they will never become aware of it, but hell at least Buchanan can only just make a fool of himself while Biden could (theoretically) make a real hash of things if presidents could really act on their own initiatives.
Luckily for Biden he has only two jobs to do for his masters 1) lose the election or if things somehow go wrong 2) midwife the first slightly toasted vaj-jay-jay into the presidency.
I don’t think that anyone with a lick of sense ever thought that he was meant for office least of all those who put him in contention.
Cheers-
I’ve always thought of Buchanan as a classic Socratic gadfly. He’s rather too caught up in the mythologies of Catholicism, capitalism, and white supremacy for my taste, but generally the guy raises points that merit thoughtful consideration, even if you arrive at radically different conclusions from his. But this essay is simply bizarre, so packed with falsehoods and fear mongering that you’d think he was directly channeling the speakers of the RNC.
I plan to save this page and look at it in a year to see how many of these wild predictions will have come true.
And what an irony it is, that the proponents of “small government” are the handful of powerful men who profit most from evading government’s legitimate oversight of their activities. I guess that promise “to provide for the common welfare” in the communist manifesto the Founders created in Philadelphia in 1787 has been trashed too.
If Trump and the Republicans win then we will get leftism lite. If the Dems win we will get communism. We always move left no matter what.
Trump’s leftism lite includes the potential ban of flash suppressors and national red flag laws. On immigration it’s a pathway to citizenship for DACA “kids” and rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic to favor skilled third world immigrants, but keeping legal immigration levels at roughly one million entrants annually.
There’s there’s Trump’s pathetic race pandering on display during the Republican National Convention. What parts I could bear to watch remind me of a Democrat convention from the 90’s with their emphasis on minority pandering. There used to be a time when conservative luminaries openly mocked race pandering but now they embrace it.
Why to my comment…What is said that is not true?
One thing that is wrong with many large corporation is their verbal and monetary support for BLM and other anti-white and anti American groups.
Pat, every bit of this is pure partisan gaslighting and you know it.
Trump has not changed the GOP’s substance. “Trumpism” has merely changed the tone of its messaging.
Like Trump himself, it’s all talk, no action.
“Trumpism” has made Marco Rubio sound more like Trump, but Rubio is just as beholden to Israel over the United States, just as willing to keep our borders open and just as contemptuous of the working classes he now courts with his shiny new Zio-approved populist rhetoric.
And like the GOP, he is just as gay. And I don’t mean that in a schoolboy taunt sort of way, I mean Rubio and the GOP at large are actually gay – as in men loving to have sex with men gay.
Look at the astonishing profusion of gay and transexual MAGA-shills out there. “Log Cabin Republicans” was a down-low thing in the 00’s but now the Gay Old Party is loud & proud.
And “muh based Blacks!” Lowest Black [something] evah!
I once would have hoped that Pat would have stood against the Rainbowing of the GOP and the fake, gay empty suit that is MAGA 2020, but to the extent Pat even writes his own stuff anymore it appears he is going gently into that good night with a whimper, not a bang.
Why can’t Israel be on its own, they stole the land they can defend that shit! We must leave the middle east we have no business being there and the Jew can figure out what to do next! If Israel is so great why don’t dual-citizens GO HOME?
I can’t find fault with Mr. Trump and the GOP attempting to bring more minorities into the party. With BLM/Antifa riots destroying our dying cities, he sees an opening to securing more of the minority/black vote. A majority of whites, appalled by the growing riots, should vote GOP this time. Those who support BLM are self-hating and don’t care about their children’s future.
The radical democrats have demonstrated time and again that they are anti-white. But, with the white majority dwindling each year, it is imperative the GOP reach out to responsible POC if they have any hope of winning the coming election.
Vote for the party that helps that White majority dwindle and the President who’s done nothing to stop the riots – because winning the election is everything.
Winning elections doesn’t matter if you only get policies that make your people “dwindle.”
Whites need to take responsibility for their own future – first by forming our own communities and separating as much as possible from this sick anti-White system. We have to come together physically to make the most of our numbers and defend our safety, security and social space.
And we need to walk away from the GOP that takes our votes for granted because “it’s not like they’ll vote Democrat – lesser evil, right?”
We need a third party for the American White Right.
The disruptors of Antifa and BLM have become so extreme… They are pushing people into voting *FOR TRUMP*
The DNC intentionally weaponized hate. They are so attached to it that they own it. Guess what they just figured out…. The DNC cannot control it. If they denounce their creation, the SJW hate will turn on them. If they let Blue Cities in Blue States burn, a different core constituency will turn on them.
PEACE 😇
Mr Buchanan’s article is sadly mistaken on many points.
In terms of foreign policy, the US helped the growth of ISIS and supplied ISIS indirectly with ammo, weapons and money thru its support of the so-called rebel forces in Syria. The thousands of tons of weapons and ammo given to these fake forces went straight to ISIS with the full knowledge of the USA, said ISIS then used them to dominate, kill and rape innocent Syrian civilians n Christians. It was openly hoped that ISIS would overthrow the Assad regime, so the USA never targeted ISIS, or at best pretended to fight ISIS while secretly supporting or ignoring ISIS. Everybody knows this, this is one of the great shames of the USA, and only the US establishment is stupid enough to believe that the whole world doesn’t know this.
In respect to Europe freeloading off the USA’s defense budget, my response is simple. If you don’t like it, get the fuck out of Europe. Nobody today is asking US soldiers to stay in Europe anymore. We know u r here not to defend Europe but to dominate Europe and make sure that wars r fought forward in Europe and kept off American soil. So why aren’t you leaving yet if you think Europe is freeloading on you? Because you don’t want to leave. I would start charging the USA for the privilege of having bases in Europe. U want a presence(“storefront” using real estate terms for Trump to understand) in Europe? You jolly well can pay $200 billion a year for it.
In relation to China, China never forced US companies to move their factories to China. US companies had to leave the US because of high costs, excessive regulation and just laziness and no discipline from US workers. That’s called business. Don’t blame others for problems you created yourselves–but that’s the american way, to cheat and blame others falsely when u cannot make it.
Just like white supremacists say that blacks r lazy, violent and stupid, people outside the USA say white Americans are dishonest, corrupt, arrogant and always falsely blame and accuse others when they fail themselves.
And that’s when white Americans are not having perverted cuckhold orgies like their religious leaders, like cuck-loving Jerry Falwell Jr(“I like to watch my wife with others”), who is Trump’s greatest religious supporter.
The present virus situation really confirms this. When the virus accidentally escaped from American laboratories and spread to China and Europe, China raised the alarm first and acted so fast and efficiently that only 80k chinese were infected n 4K died. In contrast, Trump tried to ignore n play down the virus to protect his reelection hopes wrt the economy, and now we have 200k americans dead and 6m infected.
So now instead of actually taking measures to deal with the virus, Trump goes on a mental holiday and does golfing 300 days out of 1,300 days since he was elected, after having tried his best to sabotage all efforts to deal with the virus, slowing down testing, even leaving the WHO so that WHO teams cannot discover that the virus actually originated in the USA, etc. What a pathetic leader, only good for grabbing pussies.
It’s just such a sad shitshow, with only a few light moments like Trump’s son’s girlfriend screaming like a black-eyed demon witch at the RNC.
If Trump did more to prevent white people from dwindling each year he wouldn’t have to channel his inner John Kasich for the 2020 election and pander like a liberal Democrat. There was nothing but political cowardice stopping him from writing an EO ending birthright citizenship and stepping up deportations after taking office. In his first year he did try to get legal immigration lowered before giving up just like everyone before him. We elected him not to give up.
The shameless pandering to non-whites alienates a percentage of whites so the net gain in new voters is often a big goose egg if not a negative. Pat Buchanan said you go duck hunting where the ducks are. Trump did that in 2016 but has been assimilated into GOP cuckery.
Prior to Covid, medical error was the third leading cause of death in America, and there was estimated to be $800 billion a year in medical fraud a year.
Now Biden is claiming tnat Covid is the third leading cause of death in America as determined by the same people that were the third leading cause of death in America as a result of their own errors, who also committed $800 billion of medical fraud a year and a national opioid epidemic which has killed over 500,000, and has had funding cuts with Obamacare repeal.
Joe Biden is married to Dr. Jill Biden.
The conflict of interest and the coincidences are flashing llike neon lights!
Nevermind the obvious!
Andrea Iravani
Other than stopping immigration entirely, how would he do that? Citizenship is conferred, like it or not, on everyone born on US soil. That is clearly defined in the Consitution.
Jill Biden isn’t a physician.
@Botazefa
Botazefa,
Lol. Thanks. There are certainly a lot of people saying that she is, at least by implication, including Loud and Clear radio and Fox News reported that Whoopi Goldberg also thought so. Maybe she heard it from the Russian radio show hosts too. Many in the DNC think so too.
Michael Hudson and Paul Craig Roberts are economists, with doctoral degrees in economics but nobody would ever claim that the two were doctors if someone inquired what line of work they were in, as has been done for a long time with Jill Biden with a PhD. in education.
Thanks for the info.
‘white supremacy’ eh?
Does Pat call for a return of black slavery? Perhaps I missed the part where he advocated a return to White colonialism.
Or, is what Pat has warned us about for decades now, the looming marginalization and disenfranchisement, (demonization and wholesale victimization) of White people in their own lands a certainty once White people become a (hated – duh) minority?
Here’s an excellent article from PCR
https://www.unz.com/proberts/a-kristallnacht-for-white-americans/
It does a good job of sorting out the stakes in this election.
We’re at our Rhodesia, South Africa moment in this country, when the moribund White race is at the cusp of absolute subjugation. But, unlike South Africa or Zimbabwe, we get to vote on it.
Under a Kamala regime, we’ll wake up to what the Kulaks discovered to their horror, that their government was composed of people who hated their guts, and set about genociding them. And not the soft genocide of immigration and forced-blending, but the hard genocide of selective prosecutions that ignore the murder of Whites by POC, (who’re only responding to centuries of oppression and systematic racism, after all!)
Is anyone on the planet stupid enough to think for one second that the forces of ‘wokeness’ care about The Rule of Law, or fairness?
I didn’t think so.
What they care about, what they’re obsessed about, what drives them to the brink of insanity everyday of their lives, is race.
The fact that the White race has always has been dominant in America has POC simmering with murderous fanaticism- fueled by racial resentment and a litany of ‘all the evils’ that whitey has (and continues to) perpetrate against all POC.
When the Haitian revolution was successful, they treated the White French exactly as you’d expect. They hacked the men to death, (at least the lucky ones) and raped the women. Only we can only imagine for how long many Whites were kept alive to endure the unendurable, by hatred-consumed, primitive blacks full to the brim with racial rage. Blacks treat other blacks to charming practices like ‘necklacing’ when they’re angry with other blacks. One can only imagine how they treated the defeated Whites.
I recently saw a photo of a White South African women who had been raped and then hung upside down and eviscerated.
Do you think the black authorities in South Africa are worried about who did that to her?
Or do you think they feel she got what she deserved?
Our rulers are going to be Jewish supremacists no matter who wins the election. But at least under Trump, they’re not free to unleash their pent up ids with impunity. Under Kamala, that will change.
The fact that horrific crimes against Whites are always hushed up by the ((media)) when committed by blacks is very, very telling. Everyone knows who George Floyd is, but no one knows who Jonathan Foster or Channon Christian are. Only ‘White supremacists’ care about them, huh?
I read the comments lamenting Trump’s servile fealty to Israel, and his coddling of minorities, and agree, it’s a revolting state of affairs, but what do you guys think it’s going to be like under Kamala?!
We already know the Deep State is chock full of anti-White, pro-zion fanatics. They don’t have to be told that the biggest threat to ‘social justice’ are ‘right-wing domestic terrorists’ in America, because they wake up thinking that, and go to bed thinking that. All they’re waiting for is the green light to go after these deplorable, irredeemable racists. Look at the way Big Tech has taken off the gloves when it comes to ‘White supremacy’. They overtly use their control over their platforms to denigrate and demonize White people as less than human. Corporate America is giving billions of dollars to BLM.
Just imagine what would happen in this land of “White supremacy” if a corporation advocated that White lives matter too?
The hysterical howls of indignation and screeching would be ear-splitting. And yet we have assholes still pretending like “White supremacy” is a thing.
It boils down to an Overton Window where anything less than groveling obeisance to ‘wokeness’ (anti-White hatred) = “White supremacy’.
If you don’t hate and despise White people, and demand that all their lands be colonized by POC, then it can only mean you’re a “White supremacist”.
Hopefully, if they push and push and push, they’ll eventually find out what a racially-charged, fully awoke, and vigorous White blowback will feel like in response to their endless haranguing and spitting about this mythical ‘White supremacy’.
‘We want what you have!! And we’ve discovered your Achilles’ heel! It’s your innate decency and kindness and noblesse oblige. If we screech at you that you’re a racist! then you’ll feel bad, and meekly move over so we POC can encroach upon you and take your lands and colonize you with impunity, because you have a genetic defect that makes you want to be nice (to your enemies who only want you destroyed so that they can be ascendant. Duh)
I really can’t wait for election night, when all the shitstains who puke their vomitus rot about “White supremacy’ will become unglued at four more years of White people’s bovine slog into obscurity, instead of their coveted ‘kill Whitey now!’ glorious triumph into a Kamala-led, Zimbabwe-type of hell on earth, where all these respective losers pick over Whitey’s carcass and wonder why no one is feeding them anymore.
Buchannan, like most of the rest of us here, knows very well what happened in Syria vis-a-vis ISIS.
Because we were all speaking out against the Obama/Hillary regime’s criminal and catastrophic destruction of Libya, lynching of Gadhafi, (the best leader in Africa) and foisting of those sub-human head-slicing orcs of ISIS into Syria, in order to destabilize that nation as well.
The point is that the regime responsible for those atrocities and moral enormities was voted out of power in 2016. And a new administration that had campaigned on ending the Eternal Wars for Israel, has since tried to disengage from Syria and elsewhere, but there’s a lot of screeching from the ((PTB)) over any removal of troops.
No one wants that more than Buchannan, myself and Donald Trump.
No silly. It isn’t because Trump doesn’t want to leave. He’s made if very clear he considers NATO to be a fraud and a farce.
The reason, (silly) that we’re still there, is because Germany was destroyed on behalf of global Jewish supremacy ((klepto-crony-‘capitalism’/communism)), and that’s why the ZUS is still there, to impose upon all these nations the criminal fiat worthless paper that the Bretton Woods agreement enslaved the planet to, on behalf of global Jewish bankster debt slavery. Duh.
It isn’t that Americans can’t make it. Rather it’s because greedy, amoral scumfucks didn’t want to pay them a living wage, and so they moved their factories to China and Mexico. With the eager encouragement of our treasonous former regimes in DC.
Trump, to his credit, has tried to bring some of those factories home.
As to the current China bashing, I have to assume that it’s because China is starting to infringe on J-supremacism’s/five eyes/NSA/Mossad’s global surveillance monopoly. They are demanding a back door into all Chinese tech, and China is balking at that.
I see you’re woke.
How nice for you. Been to Zimbabwe lately?
Here’s a clue: Most White Americans just want to be left the fuck alone. OK? We’re tired of all the shitlibs and butt-hurt POC blaming a welder from Nebraska because another black thug just plugged one of his homies over a drug deal gone bad.
We’re tired of the Endless Wars for Israel, and all the other evils that our government commits (NOT) in our name.
We just want to live our lives sans all the screeching losers who demand we feed them and take them all in and give them affirmative action benefits over the welder from Nebraska, who you butt-hurt losers want to blame all the world’s problems on.
Oh, please provide the link to that!
We all very much want to see the evidence!
Or, are you just spewing more of your idiotic butt-hurt based on nothing but, well.. butt-hurt?
Oh gosh.
I think I can see your tears bleeding though the computer screen. Wow, such empathy and compassion for “we” Americans.
Yea, he wants the Cornhole to destroy his chances for reelection.
You’re a real genius, aren’t you?
Actually you’re one of the people whose face I’d like to see on election night.
Existential apoplexy, is what I want to see.
Racial immolation, for every White-hating scumfuck on the planet.
“tears of unfathomable sadness”
Now Mr Trump man I’ll let you on a little secret don’t go by what Trump says. for even he most of the time don’t know what he said yesterday but watch what he does that’s where the proof of the pudding lies, among his many lies he slips once in a while as in Syria when he said we will take the oil,I presume you saw that but chose to ignor it.!!!!.!!!!
“When the virus ACCIDENTLY escaped from American laboratories…”
LOL!
Well, he had to thread a needle and make the explanation Fauci friendly.
He’s right about Kimberly Guilfoyle, though. She is a skank.
BTW, take my word for it: whether at 15, 25, 25, 45, or 55, I would never have consented to her touching my junk, even with a 10 foot pole that had a 9 foot handle.
Even if immigration was stopped cold tomorrow, the white share of the population would continue to dwindle as young white women are not getting married and having babies.
As for a Right-wing third party advancing White working class issues, one has started and Eric Striker wrote about it last week. Striker also attached a video of their convention with Mike Enoch delivering a powerful speech.
If Donald Jr. wasn’t totally embarrassed by Guilfoyle’s shrieking performance, nothing embarrasses him. Hard to believe he left his wife and 5 children for THAT. At least his father left his wives for younger women, not one who is ten years older.
She wasn’t always a scary banshee
Actually the controversary over Birthright Citizenship has never been addressed by the Supreme Court. That part of the 14th Amendment is subject to interpretation. Many legal scholars believe it was meant to be specific to freed slaves being recognized as citizens, not for pregnant women to enter our borders (both legally and illegally) just so their ANCHOR babies could be automatic US citizens, thus allowing their extended family to come here.
No it isn’t. The 14th amendment was put in place for freed negro slaves and their children. Not for people who sneak into America and have an anchor baby or five.
Senator Jacob Howard, one of the framers of the 14th amendment, said it was not intended to include foreigners and aliens born on U.S. soil.
SCOTUS ruled that children of legal permanent residents born on U.S. soil are automatic citizens in the United States v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898 but that’s an entirely different class than illegal alien.
The original intent of the 14th amendment and common sense dictates that illegal aliens were never intended to be granted automatic birthright citizenship. If the Congress were a responsible body acting in the best interests of the nation instead of their donors (Republicans) or anti-white and anti-American ideology (Democrats) then only children born to U.S. citizens should have automatic citizenship at birth.
I know Trump says idiotic and dishonest things.
Even outrageous things.
But as I keep repeating, it’s not about Trump. It’s about the alternative, and the alternative is wokeness.
It’s very sad but Mr. Buchanan has really bought into the Trump propaganda.
The 2 matters I feel very strongly where Trump has failed miserably like a dog are 1)His trade war against China, and 2)His response to the virus crisis.
I think 2)has been discussed enough, so I’ll leave it by saying, not a single person I know believes that the virus originated in Wuhan. Even the WHO doesn’t believe this, and almost the entire scientific community thinks it’s nonsense. Trump calling it the “China Virus” is just because he is so butthurt that his own incompetent response destroyed his re-election chances that he is very bitter and still pathetically hopes that a few dozen low-IQ voters will blame China instead of Trump for killing 200,000 americans and infecting 6 million more. What a shit-show from such a pathetic excuse for a President.
Even Stormy Daniels would have done a better job with the virus. She looked like she had twice his intelligence.
In respect of Trump’s foolish Trade War, the result has been that the Chinese have rightly retaliated by no longer buying american agriculture, and have mostly found alternative sources from South America and Russia. Agriculture in Russia is booming with the warmer climate and basically, US farmers have totally lost the Chinese market, and they won’t be getting it back, all because of Trump and his pet monkey Navarro.
Just one man’s stupidity can destroy so much.
Without govt welfare to the farmers, the whole sector would be destroyed with suicides and bankruptcies, and it will be permanently maimed for decades to come. Families that owned their farms for a 100 years had to force-sell to Big Agri, upset farmers have been shipping manure regularly to the White House to send a message to Trump, and it’s all turned into Trump-flavored manure.
Trump boasted that China would buy $200 billion worth of Agri from the US, but this was only a vague promise dangled to Trump so he would shut up and go away. China will never buy large amts of Agri from the US because they no longer trust the US. They r establishing other supply lines already. So far China has only bought a miniscule fraction of that amt, and only because prices were lower than from the other supply lines they established.
After Trump got nothing from China, he has tried to pretend that he has a Great Victory, and has told US farmers to buy more tractors and plant even more crops, because he has deluded himself into thinking that China will actually buy those huge amts. Not a single farmer followed his advice.
In reality, the Chinese realized they were dealing with a psychopathic orange Orangutan, so their technique was to just agree to everything, then simply not do it at all later. After all, the US has no more leverage over China, so Trump has to just grit his teeth, pretend the deal is still on, and China will buy more later. That way he still maintains the illusion of a successful deal with China, to BS US farmers and his base.
Actually there is no deal, and his trade war is a massive loss for the US. Everybody knows this.
Come on, Ken. The fact is that if you want your kid to be a US citizen, just sneak across the border and give birth. That’s what anchor babies are.
The plain language of the 14th Amendment speaks for itself. United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) further clarified this.
According to wikipedia (your mileage may vary, of course):
Yes, it’s an absurd article. What on earth is the matter with Paddy the Baddy?
No, that’s an incorrect interpretation. As I said the Wong Kim Ark case dealt with birthright citizenship of those born to legal permanent residents, not illegal aliens. To be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means you aren’t subject to a foreign nation and since illegal aliens are not U.S. citizens they are citizens of Mexico, Guatamala, etc. as are their illegal anchor babies and therefore not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” which is U.S. authority.
https://steveking.house.gov/media-center/columns/ending-birthright-citizenship-does-not-require-a-constitutional-amendment#:~:text=The%20history%20of%20the%20drafting,citizens%20of%20a%20foreign%20power.
But if this ever makes it to the Supreme Kangaroo Court we can expect a 5-4 ruling in favor of grating birthright citizenship to illegal alien anchor babies owing to the militant pro-immigrant political climate of this nation’s corrupt elites . John Roberts or Gorsuch will vote with the high court leftists.
You are correct.
The intent was to grant citizenship to those who were of the “legal jurisdiction” of the United States. The concept of “physical drop location” has no credibility as a Constitutional standard.
Former slaves were placed under U.S. legal jurisdiction as a consequence of their slavery, and therefore must be citizens. Regardless of “drop location”, a child with at least one U.S. Citizen parent is a U.S. Citizen, unless that parent opts for a different status.
Children of foreign diplomats born in the U.S. are specifically excluded.
The Supreme Court has never addressed:
— Temporary visitors (H visas, student visas, tourists)
— Illegals
Children of parents who have not officially severed “legal jurisdiction” to their country of origin are citizens of that nation, even if “drop location” is in the U.S. This is obviously the correct, Constitutional decision as it is consistent with the foreign diplomat exclusion.
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Trump should have the opportunity to replace 2 or 3 extreme liberal judges during his 2nd term. Having a Supreme Court that believes in the Constitution will provide a chance to end the scourge of “drop location” citizenship.
PEACE 😇
Well, I happened to glance at this thread and decided to repeat a question I’ve previously asked of those who interpret the 14th Amendment as not applying to the children of illegal immigrants.
As far as I know, the first time that ever came up was during the 1990s, when a few “conservatives” started making that argument. I’m not a constitutional scholar, so I can’t judge the merits. But here’s a question…
For well over the previous 100 years, America had had substantial numbers of illegal immigrants, and many of them married and had children on our soil. As far as I know, those children were always recognized as citizens, and I’d guess the total was many hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions over that century of time.
Can you cite me a single example of *anyone* during those 100 years who ever publicly disputed the interpretation of the 14th Amendment that automatically granted citizenship? I’m not talking about a judge or even a lawyer, but *anyone*, including an activist or a newspaper columnist?
If you can’t find one single example of anyone who every challenged that interpretation of the 14th Amendment in over 100 years, isn’t your argument pretty silly? Aren’t you a little like those leftist-activists who claim that the US Constitution actually guarantees a right to Gay Marriage even though no one ever noticed that it did so for well over 200 years?
Again, just find me a single example in 100 years…
Wong Kim Ark was an incredibly unusual set of events for the late 1800’s. In some ways it is the trap ‘poor cases make poor law’. Illegal immigration was rare to non-existent. The ruling made sense for the narrow case at hand. However, the decision not written as a coherent precedent for subsequent changes in global society.
When travel was expensive and time consuming, the wealthy went on international junkets & no one else could afford to. A child born to two rich European kids on the “Grand Tour” would generate scandal, but not immigration outcry.
During the “wetback” era, Mexican workers (legal or illegal) left their families in low-cost Mexico and earned enough in 6-8 months to return home and spend the off season with their kids. The more ambitious went home with enough cash to open a business so they did not have to migrate anymore. There were some very sensationalized roundups in the 50’s, but as a practical matter the illegals provided needed seasonal labor and had few illegal children in the U.S.
A confluence of technology and policy actions stacked on each other in the late 70’s and early 80’s to create a massive surge of non-Citizen births in the U.S. Some key developments:
— Airline Deregulation (1978). Led to cheaper airfares in the 1980’s that opened the door to what would eventually become birth/citizenship tourism.
— Drug trafficking prevention increased the cost & risk for illegal border crossing. One time, permanent crossing became nescessary, especially for those without clean records..
— Public Assistance became widely available to illegals. This made it financially viable for illegals to have children in the U.S.
— Reagan signed The Last Amnesty Ever in 1986.
There were many immigration opponents before 1986. However, it was The Last Amnesty Ever that created the need to treat birthright citizenship as a separate issue. Failure to correct the birthright citizenship loophole post-1986, has given us another Amnesty fight even though all sides agreed in 1986 that there would never be another Amnesty.
There is a 0% chance of a Laster Amnesty, Following the Last Amnesty, And We Mean It This Time without permanently closing this self-evident “drop location” loophole. And, the SJW Globalist DNC will not accept anything that reduces the flow of cheap labor demanded by multinational corporations.
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Ken, I get your point about a perfect world, legal intent, etc.
But the fact is, any baby birn in the US gets a birth certificate. A US based birth certificate is all that is required to prove citizenship. Hell, the hospitals now even automatically apply for a SSN on the baby citizen’s behalf.
Now, I supposed some state experimentation could create two types of birth certificates, one for children of a citizen and another for anchor babies. That ain’t gonna happen, for obvious reasons.
You’re right, SCOTUS won’t change this even if someone managed to get standing to sue and petition them.
Whatever the intent, birthright citizenship is here to stay. I don’t like it any more than you do. If you can find a lawyer who can get a case before a judge, I’ll support your gofundme, but you won’t find that lawyer.
Perhaps, if Trump wins a landslide and Republicans magically control Congress they could end birthright with legislation clarifying the Fourteenth, which when challenged SCOTUS would have to take it up. At which point Roberts would tank it. Not to mention, Republicans want immigration, illegal and otherwise, so they’d never write the Legislation to begin with.
The birther stuff is a dead end politically. No one is out to punish babies and people accept birthright citizenship. That argument is over.
What is the point of re-hashing it now? To hurt Harris?
Well, it sounds like you admit that for 120 years not a single person had ever questioned that the 14th Amendment automatically guaranteed American citizenship to all the American-born children of illegal immigrants, or at least you can’t find any counter-example.
So many hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions of Americans got their citizenship that way, including A.M. Rosenthal, the longtime Executive Editor of the New York Times.
I’m not arguing whether that’s a good policy or a bad one. I’m also not arguing the complexities of judicial interpretation. I’m just saying that for over 120 years absolutely everyone in America agreed in that particular interpretation of the 14th Amendment.
But maybe you’re right and everyone in America was wrong for 120 years. Similarly, it’s possible that a right to Gay Marriage is indeed guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and it’s just that nobody in America had realized that fact for over 200 years…
You challenged KenT to provide a quote, not me.
That being said, if you need a quote we can go back to the original debate: (1)
It is quite obvious from the record that “drop location” was not meant to be a defining criteria to the exclusion of all others.
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To recap my position, birth tourism to obtain U.S. to obtain citizenship was obviously understood as Unconstitutional before 1978.
I challenge you to respond with a quote as I have answered yours. Produce a quote or discussion on “birthright citizenship tourism” (or a similar phrase) from 1978 or earlier.
I bet you cannot do so, and thus you admit that for 120 years not a single person had ever thought that birther tourism was Constitutional.
The ball is in your court.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://cis.org/Report/Birthright-Citizenship-United-States
Nope. Your quote is from 1866, which was before America had any immigration laws. Therefore the notion of “illegal immigrant” obviously did not exist at that point, and therefore was not the subject of Congressional debate.
About a decade later, we adopted our first immigration laws and the notion of whether the 14th Amendment applied to the children of “illegal immigrants” might have started to become an issue. And for about the next 110 years, as far as I know not a single person in the US had ever questioned that the American-born children of illegal immigrants were automatically US citizens.
I think the CIS people are just being disingenuous on that point. Why don’t you drop them a note and see if they can find any example of someone disputing the issue in 110 years. I doubt they’ll even be able to turn up a single politician or newspaper columnist suggesting such a thing, let alone a lawyer or judge.
That’s not really true. In 1965 Hispanics were only about 3% of the U.S. population and the vast majority of those were legal citizens or had legal status. Then you are forgetting “Operation Wetback” launched by president Dwight David Eisenhower wherein over one million illegal alien mestizos were forcibly deported, sometimes using brute force. Are you really trying to argue that in that political climate the American elites and American citizens believed that jus soli applied to illegal alien children who were also caught up in this mass deportation maw?
Obviously after 1965 the political climate and elite political opinion radically shifted in favor of non-white immigrants both legal and illegal. This is due in large part to Jewish activism but I digress.
Contrary to your claims from 1865 to 1965 large scale illegal immigration wasn’t much of a problem throughout most of America. Nor was Chinese or Muslim maternity tourism. So the application of the 14th amendment didn’t require hot and heavy national debate.
All you need to do is go back and review the debates and original intent of the 14th amendment as well as some of the court cases decades later. If you do that and still insist that jus soli applies to anyone who illegally sneaks into America and has children then you are a hardcore pro-illegal alien ideologue.
Ok, between 1865 and 1965 can you find me an example of any American political elites who opined that the 14th amendment did in fact apply to anyone on planet earth who could illegally sneak across the border and have a baby on our soil?
(1) I think that *legal* immigration from Mexico and the rest of Latin America was always pretty low during the first half of the 20th century since people only occasionally cared about enforcing border laws, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the millions of Hispanics in 1965 had illegal immigrant ancestry even if they themselves were legal (due to the birthright citizenship we’re debating).
(2) As I’ve frequently pointed out, the 1920s immigration cut-off *excluded* Latin America, so Europeans were the most impacted, and there were probably millions of illegal immigrants from Europe over the next few decades:
https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-building-a-wall-and-hispanic-crime/
(3) As I mentioned upthread, Abe Rosenthal who ran the NYT for more than a decade came from an illegal immigrant family, but nobody ever questioned his own citizenship. I’d expect that many hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions of other American citizens fell into the same category.
(4) Operation Wetback supports my position. The illegals themselves were deported, but everyone agreed that their American-born children were U.S. citizens, and many of them either stayed here or returned once they were older.
(5) Again, for well over 100 years *everyone* agreed that American-born children of illegals were citizens. They voted, ran for public office, held sensitive government positions, and absolutely *nobody* ever questioned their citizenship until the 1990s.
An “Agreement” is an affirmation. For *everyone* to agree… Every person in the U.S. would have had to give a specific *affirmation*. Clearly that did not happen.
99%+ of the U.S. Citizens did not take a stance. For well over 100 years *almost everyone was silent* on the question, as it was irrelevant to their daily lives. The number of children born where both parents were non-citizens was quite low. Probably a few thousand per year on average 1900-1970.
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Technology and government policies changed in the 70’s and 80’s. This resulted in a sharp increase in the volume of children where both parents were non-citizens. Due to this change in impact on the nation, a fair number of U.S. Citizens reconsidered their *silence* on the issue.
Looking at the historical record, they came to a fact based determination that the 14th Amendment has separate language for:
— “drop location” — All persons born
— “legal jurisdiction” — subject to the jurisdiction
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Trump’s 2nd term is likely to flip two Supreme Court seats away from SJW Globalists activism. At that point, it would make sense to bring a case to the SC for review.
PEACE 😇
Well, for more than a century hundreds of thousands or possibly even millions of the American-born children of illegal immigrants regularly voted in our national elections and sometimes ran for office. During all that time, there is no record of anyone ever raising a single doubt that they had the right to do so, including the members of the Ku Klux Klan, the John Birch Society, and all the other right-wingers.
Offhand, I’d say that’s probably because everyone believed they were automatically legal citizens due to the 14 Amendment.
But you think otherwise. So I’ll abandon this fruitless effort, and let you go on believing whatever you want to believe…
Offhand, I would say that extremely few people thought about the technicalities. It did not interact with the lives of most U.S. Citizens. There was no conscious decision to select and irrevocably commit to any specific position on the 14th Amendment.
It seems unlikely that either of us will have a significant impact on any Supreme Court decision. So, I will also stop trying to change your opinion. Feel free to hold the interpretation that makes you happy.
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Actually the Congress could end birthright citizenship and prohibit the Supreme Court to make any rulings on it-denying jurisdiction which is one of the mostly unused powers that the Congress has.
A number of years ago, Congress put the Supreme Court on notice that it could not rule on homosexuality in the Boy Scouts.
I agree it was low but America always had a legacy hispanic population that we inherited as a result of the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. And contrary to what you are saying many Mexicans did immigrate to the U.S. legally prior to 1965 while some did not. Not unlike today but lax enforcement and pro-illegal alien court rulings, illegal alien coddling politicians and media personalities have encouraged a great many more Mexicans to cross the Rio Grande illegally.
Do you have even a scintilla of evidence that “millions” of Europeans came to America illegally after the 1920’s and acquired citizenship via birth? This seems like a fantastic claim that I don’t even think radical progressives have made.
His citizenship should have been questioned and he should have been deported or at minimum his legal status downgraded until he went through the naturalization process. The fact that it wasn’t speaks to political cowardice and fear of Jewish power more than an affirmation of the universality of birthright citizenship.
Actually it supports mine. Of the illegal alien deportees no doubt thousands at minimum were born here and in your view U.S. citizens but nevertheless they were still rounded up and deported. The one million or so deportees didn’t just all arrive the previous few months.
And you have incontrovertible evidence that every U.S. citizen and every politician agreed that illegal aliens born on U.S. soil are citizens?
Again, there are court cases supporting the case against universal birthright citizenship such as 1873 Slaughterhouse Cases and Elk v. Wilkins (1884) or that it only applied to children born of parents with legal status (Wong Kim Ark 1898) and who were therefore “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.
Really all you’ve provided is a litany of dubious claims and anecdotes and wishful thinking to make your case.
I totally agree and probably until the late 1980’s and early 1990’s there were very few Hispanics in much of flyover country, so whites had no reason to consider large scale immigration or birthright citizenship since it did not impact their lives.
For example, in 1990 Nevada’s Hispanic population was only 3% but in 2020 it’s 28%. Even though Iowa is still about 85% white there are once bucolic all-white farming communities who’ve been overrun with illegal aliens. This has created an anti-illegal alien backlash that didn’t exist in say, 1980, when Ron claims the entire nation and political establishment supported universal birthright citizenship.
Isn’t the 14th Amendment the one that guarantees ‘to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.’ ?
Which is by now famously ignored with the advent of Affirmative Action? Where one race and gender is overtly denied equal protection of the laws?
But the main thing that struck me about your point, is that from what I understand, (admittedly very limited)- Jewish immigration and assimilation into Palestine went on relatively un-alarmingly for the hundred years prior to 1948, when all in the sudden the citizens of Palestine discovered that Jewish immigration wasn’t just a kindness to show persecuted Jews, but rather was intended as a genocide, with the Palestinians who remained (weren’t slaughtered wholesale or driven into the desert) to be treated as second class citizens in the lands their ancestors inhabited for centuries.
But by the time the Palestinians figured it out, it was too late, and they had lost the political power to stop the flood (persecution, disenfranchisement, widespread ethnic cleansing and second class-citizen status).
Perhaps there are some parallels between Palestine and America, as the (already second class White) citizens of N. America are also (obviously) slated for genocide and replacement as well.
In 1920, White Americans hadn’t the slightest glimmer that their progeny were going to be colonized and reduced to minority status, with laws passed that marginalized them and treated them as less than human, (like the Palestinians) for being White (perfectly legal to discriminate against).
But now increasingly, White Americans are starting to understand just what the stakes really are, with massive and transformational non-White immigration. As their cities burn and they’re expected to bow down to mobs of BLM ‘protesters’, and self-abase and publically apologize for being White.
In 1920, that would have been just as unthinkable in Minneapolis – as it would have been in 1848 for the Arabs to imagine that they’d be murdered in the streets, and hounded and vilified by Jewish supremacist immigrants- in their own former Arab homelands.
Is there, perchance- a lesson in that?
Are we, at the end of the day, often punished for our kindness?
Just as most Palestinians didn’t want to be mean to Jews wanting to escape Tsarist Russia.
They wanted to be nice, and show kindness.
Just as most Americans today don’t want to be mean to Hispanic or other immigrant children or families, and tell them that they can’t come here, or to get out, if they’re here illegally.
They’d rather be nice, and say they can all stay.
It’s easier to be nice. No one wants to be mean.
But then one day you wake up and realize it’s not your country anymore. It belongs to those prolific and unlimited immigrants- who people were so keen to be nice to. But unlike the Palestinians or Whites of America, the new boss isn’t so keen to be nice to ‘others’.
For them, (the conquering colonizers/immigrants) niceness is weakness (genocidal stupidity).
And they’re right about that.
I couldn’t help thinking of that image of the Amerindians being so welcoming to the European settlers.
No. The word “within” does not exist in the 14th.
Amendment XIV. Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens…
If one looks at the document record from the time the 14th passed, “Subject to the jurisdiction” is parsed into modern verbiage most accurately as, “Having no other allegiance”.
The case of a foreign diplomat’s spouse giving birth was specifically discussed, and that child was explicitly categorized as not subject to U.S. jursdiction. From that, it obviously follows, any child having both parents of another allegiance obtain the citizenship of their parents, even if born in the U.S. For example, if both parents are PRC/China citizens, the child is a PRC citizen even if born to a parent here on a temporary visa — diplomatic, tourist, student, etc.
The grey area that the Wong Kim Ark case addressed was very narrow. It only looked at permanent immigrants who were in the process of legally severing ties to their prior jurisdiction as part of seeking U.S. Citizenship. By definition, illegals are not seeking citizenship and thus are not legally severing ties with their home country.
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Too much kindness to non-Palestinian Muslims was a terrible mistake made by Palestinian Jews under the Labor Party.
The Jordan Peace Treaty kindly gave away the Temple Mount. Kindness also resulted in a huge number of Muslim Occupiers being granted citizenship. Netanyahu would have easily won the first round of the last election if the Jewish Nation was more fully Jewish.
The excessively kind horrors of Labor/Gesher continue today. The inherently flawed Israeli court system allows Labor judges to select their own replacements thus making the entire system detached from decades of Muslim violence. Every time time a failed court sides with non-Palestinian Muslim provocations it digs the hole deeper.
The entire region would be better off if Jewish Palestinians had been less kind and more realistic.
PEACE 😇
This is the text:
[emphasis mine]
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
I don’t think gen. Sheridan or Sherman ever called the Indians “occupiers’, for having the temerity of having lived for centuries on their own lands.
They may have called them ‘savages’ and other pejoratives, but I doubt ‘occupiers’ ever even entered into their minds.
People would have (rightly) laughed at them, and not in a good way.
Let me fix the quote. The trim you made was misleading.
After 1,400 years of Colonial Muslim Occupation of Palestine savages would not work for the non-Palestinian presence in Palestine. Occupier or Colonist works better than savages.
It is certainly comical when the descendants of Muslim Colonists try to claim that they are ‘natives’. Everyone does laugh, not in a good way, at the Non-Palestinian Muslim’s obviously bogus claims to non-Muslim lands. The total detachment from the historical record is both funny and very sad at the same time.
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For the other matter, you are correct. However, you jumped to a different part of the 14th not relevant to the discussion of citzenship. Non-citizens receive some protections under the Constitution, but such protections do not make them citizens.
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irony, eh?
Use your preferred term to explain non-Palestinian Muslim folly. Irony is as good as any.
The history of Judea & Samaria did not start 70 years ago. And, the non-Palestinian Muslim fiction can only make sense if one is willing to engage in self deception based on a ludicrous start date.
Non-Palestinian Muslims will have to make some difficult real world choices in the near future. Iranian al’Hamas destroyed the fresh water aquifer under Gaza. 1.0-1.5 MM non-Palestinians are going to have to leave Palestine in the next decade or two. It would be wise for Muslims to start planning for that now.
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This nation treats Mexican immigrants, both legal and illegal, better than they were treated in Mexico. Of course, that’s why they are here and why they keep coming . But tens of billions in welfare and other aid that we’ve showered them with the last several decades will mean nothing to them once they are the majority and have the political whip hand.
There will be no magnanimity or reciprocity from the browns. Only catcalls that whitey was too weak and cowardly to prevent the brown takeover and they will be right. They won’t feel a twinge of guilt for stealing our nation from us because they aren’t racially afflicted with guilt and sentimentality like whites.
blah, blah, Zionist horseshit, blah, blah…
weak and cowardly are certainly true, but I’d blame venality and bovine apathy too.
We’ve been sold out. Our elites have made a calculated decision that the most lucrative thing they have to sell, is our nation and people. America is a massive place, full of human chattel who’re on the auction block to the global highest bidder.
That’s why the insane imperative to destroy the hated Middle Class, so that they too will be on the block.
Weimar Germany was heaven on earth to the world’s predatory classes. All the little German girls and boys that money could buy. While their fathers were humiliated and impoverished.
Such a deal!