”That depends how intense is the pressure of selection driving the divergence. Animal breeders, practicing artificial selection, can get noticeable divergence in a few tens of generations.”

Seems little more complex because what i read in Natural Selection, some very similar species may can become reproductively incompatible. More specific/local bio-changes in the reproductive systems or sexual organs. On other hand, other more genetically distant species can interbreed also/maybe because sexual organs compatibility than genetic differences.

Intergenerational characters transmission is like a pseudo-imperfect clones replication. We are ”imperfect” clones of our parents, we inherited the combination of two ”imperfect” clones.

Race-realist is a redundancy, i’m sky-realist, rock-realist, plants-realist, marijuana-realist, liberalidiocy-realist, conservatoidism-realist…..

Race-realist is a redundancy, i’m sky-realist, rock-realist, plants-realist, marijuana-realist, liberalidiocy-realist, conservatoidism-realist…..

Races are observable at naked eye, i’m people-realist too, there are differences even among populations in the same local. Humans, as well nature, are so prone REAL diversity that just simply isolate them geographically they have begun to differentiate among other populations.

POLITICALLY correct, pay attention to the words.

Equality is a singular state. Complex natural processes have no chance of producing anything like equality. For example there is essentially zero probablity that at any given moment the more than 10^25 air molecules in the room I am sitting in will all have the same speed at a given moment. Similarily racial equality has zero probablity.

Even approximate equality has essentially zero probability for any complex natural system.

They are going to close all the gaps regardless of whats causing them. Most people want that, so thats what will happen. Changing a populations average frequency in some alleles isn’t a big a deal. Its technically easier than changing the environment. You only need to make some more nerdy babies than usual.

Theres no need to drive yourself crazy. You and all the racists lost a long time ago.

Notice that “magic dirt” is just a variation on Marx’s theory that human nature, personality, and behavior are all shaped by the material means of production.

Magic dirt therefore seems entirely plausible to cultural Marxists, even if they’re abominably ignorant and have never heard of Marx.

I believe in the scientific truth, and the scientific truth does show the existence of white privilege.

The resume/housing/dating website application etc study has been repeated many times

Non whites or the wrong types of whites have to pay a premium to get the same treatment from others.

In case you are unfamiliar with the studies listed above

Certain names on the exact same resumes submitted get different call back rates. The same thing has been repeated for housing applications loan applications etc.

And for the online dating experiments non white individuals that were rated as more attractive than white individuals based on pictures got less responses from white women.

It is extremely disingenuous to ignore this well documented phenomenon.

While liberals use the following studies to explain everything.

Scientific racists ignore these studies completely and deny white privilege altogether.

From a unbiased observer the premium for being white does exist but the effect is not large enough to explain away the vast life outcomes of different races.

In other words a black and white with same resume, means the white person is more likely to get the job. (Most racists will deny this and cite affirmative action while ignoring an extremely repeatable study with enormous sample sizes)

But a black resume that is significantly better will tend to get the interview over the lesser qualified person. In this case the premium simply wasn’t enough to make up for it.

I believe if you want people to take hbd seriously you need to separate it from white supremacists who hold very unscientific views.

Magic dirt as magical thinking is spot on. But more than that, the propaganda and constant reinforcement of the racial egalitarian ideology promotes other magical thinking, as well.

When I first began reading HBD and realist writers, especially those who address the JQ, I had feelings of unease- just like not touching your tree. It takes time and commitment to overcome the serious brainwashing that people under 40 have endured in their lifetimes. Sometimes, I still feel like some force is going to punish me for my “naughty” thoughts, but I try to ignore that feeling.

And for the online dating experiments non white individuals that were rated as more attractive than white individuals based on pictures got less responses from white women.

Take this pathetic we are the world shit elsewhere. The only thing that matters is what the person doing the selecting thinks about attractiveness not what a bunch of other people think.

In other words a black and white with same resume, means the white person is more likely to get the job. (Most racists will deny this and cite affirmative action while ignoring an extremely repeatable study with enormous sample sizes)

But a black resume that is significantly better will tend to get the interview over the lesser qualified person. In this case the premium simply wasn’t enough to make up for it.

Does your “study” look at anything other than some made up resume? Does it look at the very real negative experience people have when hiring blacks with a militant “everything wrong with blacks is because of white racism” attitude? I am sorry that this causes blacks who do not have this problem to have a harder time getting a job, but blacks caused this problem themselves.

Sorry, but I have seen this first hand in a place that fell all over itself to hire and promote blacks. Nobody was ever mistreated and no black was ever outwardly hostile to anybody else but talking to them you know that a significant number held that militant attitude. Occasionally, one would let out something about “all the racism” they encounter.

Someone like that is just the kind of person who is going to sue you for any perceived slight and who may never be happy with his situation at work no matter what you do, and you should not have to treat him in any special way. Do you want to hire such a person?

What in Mr. Derbyshire’s article denied your evidence?

HBDer’s have never claimed that all gaps are pure nature. We acknowledge nurture and environment, with many (maybe even most) accepting that some cultural and racial bias exist. However, many of us also believe that racial bias is an extraordinarily small factor in racial achievement gaps and, likely, far overwhelmed by affirmative action.

I’d also add that I’m not particularly sure that the resume and loan application results do show unfair racial bias. Instead, they likely show employers and bank officers reacting to patterns that they have recognized. For instance, as Steve Sailer has shown, blacks with similar income to white default on their loans at a much higher rate than those similar income whites. As a bank manager, shouldn’t you be more wary of a black household making $80k as a white household making $80k? In fact, you’d be failing to do your job if you didn’t.

Regarding resumes, what if you have noticed that blacks with funny names tend to be poor employees who can’t handle higher level assignment. Perhaps not always but certainly at far higher rates than whites. Let’s say that you’ve also noticed to blacks occasionally threaten the company with racial discrimination lawsuits, causing the blacks’ managers to get into serious trouble with their brass. Put those two things together, and you might be severely – and correctly – wary of hiring blacks, even well-educated blacks.

Both the person doing the hiring and the bank manager are making perfectly rational decisions based on their experience, the statistical data and the information presented. No need for any unfair racial bias.

I call my pet magic explanation, “King Midas…in reverse.” Whatever geographical area black people collectively touch tends to go to hell, due to some ancient curse. Not always, but usually.

Oh, but wait a minute…aside from the curse part of my theory, it’s really not magic or fanciful, is it? It’s pretty much true.

I honestly think that the best blacks can hope for is to go back to an essentially pre-civil rights era Harlem type existence. Live among themselves where they won’t constantly be facing an undercurrent of unspoken white disapproval of their (generally speaking) more savage lifestyles. Crime was at a lower level back then because blacks expect external control and responsibility for their lives, and the white man provided them with the amount of control they needed to maintain proper behavior patterns.

Of course, it’s unrealistic to ever go back to a white dominance scenario, but providing black communities with black leaders who could possess some extra-constitutional means to bring black culture back into line with the civilized world might be the only solution. It would probably require that welfare benefits to blacks either cease or be contingent on collective behavioral goals (less crime, higher school attendance.)

Is there such a thing as Asian privilege? What about Jewish privilege?

You are delusional if you think that the argument against “race” isn’t scientific. They can argue against the race concept even with statistical average variation.

“Darwin didn’t know how heritability worked. He knew that some traits are heritable—everybody knows that—but he didn’t know the mechanism. Now we know it: The mechanism is genetics.”

Heritable does not mean genetic. It has been proven by direct studies on animals that the environment and its effects are also heritable by directly affecting the genes.

You make any average difference much worse of you hire based on a statistic instead of actually checking the persons personal record.

A proper bank is supposed to check each persons individual credit record to see the likely hood of default. Not base it on some temporary race statistic that will end up hurting innocent people down the line.

“I call my pet magic explanation, “King Midas…in reverse.” Whatever geographical area black people collectively touch tends to go to hell, due to some ancient curse. Not always, but usually.”

This is factually incorrect. In fact its the total opposite.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/content/table-2-human-development-index-trends-1980-2013

As you can see, Sub Saharan Africa has been steadily improving in human development for the past 30 years since records began. Actually ALMOST ALL countries where blacks are majority have improved in human development(which is everything). Some Sub Saharan African countries are already well into the middle development category. Carribbean countries are mostly in the High development category(yes even Jamaica).

Oh and you can see the rate of development in the bottom right per region.SSA is developing at its fastest rate now.

Sure, race realism or race-ism makes more sense, but the problem is not sense but

1. taboos of PC

2. favored narrative.

Taboos are powerful, and they are not only religious. It’s often dogmatic, as seen under communism. Taboo is like a rock in a stream. Water cannot go through it. It must go around it, no matter how much the flow must deviate and meander sideways.
In the USSR, Stalin was sacrosanct, and he couldn’t be blamed for anything. Same with Mao in Red China. So, whatever happened, it had to be blamed on anything but Stalin or Mao. Stalin brought upon disasters upon disasters with his economic policy and his ill-preparation for confrontation with Hitler, but the blame never went to him. The blame was always on ‘saboteurs’, ‘spies’, and ‘counter-revolutionaries’. Or renegades.
Something else had to be blamed. Mao messed up China real bad with Great Leap and Cult Revol, but the blame always had to go to others. So, the weather and withdrawal of Soviet aid was blamed for Great Leap even though Mao was most to blame. And Cult Revol’s disaster was later blamed on Gang of Four than on Mao.

PC works the same way. We can make a good case for race reailsm, at least in alternative spheres, but in mainstream media and mass education, such views are not allowed. One is immediately purged upon mouthing such stuff. And debate has been made nearly impossible because PC has fostered a climate of hysteria, paranoia, and panic where anything can ‘trigger’ anything. Internet was hoped for as the alternative to such lunacy, but twitter is used mainly for spreading panic with hashtag slogans.
Reason is useless against hysteria, and PC promotes hysteria to enforce taboos.

We have to attack the taboo by subverting the sacred cows of the ‘left’. MLK is one. Homo sainthood is another. Jewish sanctimony is another. We need to do this by humanizing such things. We must de-mythify them, de-sacralize them. We must de-immortalize them and re-mortalize them.
By humanizing them, we can acknowledge how MLK did lead an important movement that addressed the injustice faced by blacks. But we can also see how MLK was a flawed character, a hypocrite, a jive-ass punk, a thug, a woman-beater, a plagiarizing mofo, a lowlife rascal, and a liar. We can see both sides.
And by desacrazling and humanizing Jews, we can understand the horror of the Holocaust and understand why Jews feel the way they do. But we can finally do away with the eternal holiness of Jews. We can address issues of Jewish participation in communism, espionage for Stalin, anti-white hostility, and Nakba. As for homos, we need to show that fecal penetration is nothing to celebrate.

When we now live in a society where even glorification of homos and trannies is a taboo that cannot be touched, reasoned debate is impossible.

In a way, taboos are more powerful than laws. US still has First Amendment protection of free speech, but PC taboos effectively silence many views cuz violating them will lead to mass hysteria and panic and call for destruction of individuals and businesses and careers.
Taboos matter and, often, they are enough.

Indeed, saying something that is illegal but un-taboo-ish may be less damaging than saying something that is legal but taboo-ish.

Suppose a society has an age-old law saying that you cannot say bad stuff about Jesus. But suppose society has long since moved from religious faith. So, even though the law exists on the book, no one is bothered by sacrilege anymore. Suppose someone badmouths Jesus. Legally, he did something prohibited. But no one, including authorities, may care and no one may take action against him since saying bad stuff about Jesus is no longer taboo.
Now, consider another scenario where the speech is legal but certain things are taboo-ish. In the US, saying bad stuff about MLK is legal. You can say, MLK was a sex-obsessed gorilla-like mofo who slapped woman around, drank too much, and acted like some jungle-ass Negro. There is no law against that. But your career will be destroyed forever. Badmouthing MLK is taboo.

MSM is loaded with taboos.
Suppose there’s a rule that says YOU CAN NEVER SAY THAT ADDING SALT IS BAD. So, imagine you’re making some stew and you add salt. But you add too much salt. The stew had been ruined by excessive salt.
Now, the sensible thing to say is that the stew has been messed up by too much salt.
But suppose the taboo says YOU CAN NEVER SAY TOO MUCH SALT IS BAD.
So, how do you explain what happened and how the stew was ruined? You must pretend that adding too much salt was not the problem. You might say that the problem was not the amount of salt added but that the stew wasn’t big enough. The stew is too salty cuz there is insufficient stew to take in all that salt.

It’s like the migration debate in Europe. Any sensible person would say the problem of EU is TAKING IN TOO MANY NEGROES AND MUSLIMS AND PAKIS AND OTHER SUCH FOLKS. But it’s not allowed. So, the issue of social tensions is always addressed in terms of Europeans are not doing enough for the newcomers, not giving them enough jobs, not spending enough money, not being sufficiently welcoming, and etc.
Instead of trying to stop the adding of salt, the PC line is that the European gravy isn’t big enough to take in all that salt. So, how to solve the problem of too much salt? Make more gravy. Or, even more ludicrously, some might say the solution of the stew being too salty is to add more salt since it’s been ingrained in their minds that ADDING SALT is always a good thing and a solution to all their problems. “Saltiness is our strength”, so don’t be anti-saltite or saltophobic or sodiumist.

In American schools, we know more black students are suspended cuz they make more trouble. But we can’t say that. It’s taboo to say that blacks are especially problematic. So, even when Serena Williams acts like some loutish gorilla whore biatch, we must see her as the victim. We must pretend that all those suspended Negro students are victims of ‘lingering racism’.

We have this massive problem in the US. We know that the main problem is all them Negroes acting crazy. We know that evolution made Negroes nuts cuz they were chased by lions and hippos. The weaker and more sane ones got eaten by lions and hyenas. We also know that malaria killed off a lot of weak Negroes, so Negroes with muscle and high hormones survived more.
We also know that Negroes were into polygyny. Imagine ten guys, among whom one guy is really tough and wild whereas other men are just ordinary. Suppose there are ten women, and each man gets one woman. Then, the tough guy genes will pass down through only one woman while other women mate with ordinary milder guys and pass down mellower genes. But suppose in a polygynic system, the tough guy whups all the other guys and mates with all ten women. Then each woman will give birth to a child with the tough guy genes. And if this happens over many generations, then the race will become strong, aggressive, wild-ass, and nuts. This is why Negroes be so dangerous. Their mating rituals often favored the badass warrior stud over all else who got eaten by lions and stomped by hippos.

This is why Negroes are so nasty, vicious, aggressive, unconscionable, tawdry, and wildass in their demeanor. Too many Negroes are the product of polygyny, and that kind of mating has returned to blacks in the US and is now spreading even to white community. With white women losing respect for white men, becoming addicted to rap music and black-dominated sports, and with kids growing up with porn and pornified MTV culture, many white girls now get their sexual culture from Spring Break culture.

If we go by natural drive than cultural restraint, most women would rather be a single mother by having child with a superior alpha male than be a married mother having children with a ‘dork’. If you were a woman and you could have the child of Sean Connery and be single OR be married to Don Knots and have his kids, what would you choose? Be single with Connery’s kids or be married with Knots’ kids?

Even if the guy doesn’t stick around, woman wants to take the seed of the superior man. This is the natural state of female sexual psychology. But nature can be brutal, so some societies developed a system where women preferred stability and security by accepting marriage and family with the lesser male. And in time, society turned this into a social ideal and punished men who got too bo-oi-oi-oi-oing, and it punished women who got too horny. But this system is now breaking down. (It is ironically aided by social safety net made possible by government. With government providing so much for single mothers and with there being no more stigma against single-motherhood, even successful middle class white women are choosing to be single mothers with mulatto kids.)
In the black community, polygyny is in full force. And even among whites of lower class, we see a lot of young women choosing to be single mothers with children of Negroes or ‘whiggers’, white guys with negro-ish swagger. And even among elite women, we are seeing cases of white women who prefer to be single with children of superior men than settle down with ordinary men. This is the Way of Nature. We can see it in the Greek myths. Sometimes, the gods sexually conquer mortal women. We may call it ‘rape’, but the women seem rather grateful that they’re having kids with the seeds of the gods than of ordinary men.
Take Heracles. He is the son of a woman and Zeus.

This brings us to the problem of 2. The Favored Narrative.

Even if we accept race realism, there is no guarantee that this will favor the white race.
If race realism and biologism says that RACES ARE DIFFERENT IN THIS WAY and WOMEN ARE NATURALLY LIKE SUCH-AND-SUCH, then one could use race-realism to argue for the Africanization of Europe and interracism.

If indeed women like superior men of studly dimensions, then the New Globalist Ideal should be that all the women around the world should have kids with Negro studs than with their own men. If we can argue that Japanese and German cars should be driven all around the world cuz they are superior, we could argue that women all around the world should have access to Long Dong Silver.

If indeed the natural state of women is polygynic and if our lives should be in accordance with biological drives, then the African sexual culture should be spread around the world, especially since government-provided social safety nets make it easier for single mothers to raise their kids. Africanization of Europe should be welcomed, and indeed, some of this happening already in European TV, movies, and commercials that idealize the Negro man and white woman as the New Ideal. This isn’t necessarily anti-race-realist. It is based on racial differences. If white women are generally more attractive than other women, and if black men are more masculine than other men, then it follows that the ‘best men’ should be with the ‘best women’.

Of course, there are many ways to determine the value of malehood, but the most obvious is physical since, intellectually, women are equal to men in most endeavors. And this is especially true in the modern world where feminism has opened the door to women in most endeavors. In the past, even most professions were thought of in gender/sexual terms. Being a doctor, lawyer, accountant, engineer, scientist, philosopher, and etc. were all seen as masculine since mostly men took up those fields whereas women were deemed good mainly for wifehood and motherhood.

But once society made way for sexual equality, women proved that they are just as or almost as good as men in most fields. So, a lot of areas that used to be masculine has been neutered. Woman doctor is just as good as a male doctor.
But one area in which women have been unable to be equal with men is in the physical realm. Women athletes cannot compete with male athletes. Women cannot screw a man like a man can screw a woman. Women got no penis, even though some pansy ass hipster white boys are allowing women to put on strap on dildos and fuc* em in the ass.
So, malehood is now determined solely by physical attributes of muscle and ding-dong, and this is why blacks pose a massive threat to European men. Just think. White population is declining but black African population is exploding, not least through polygny where studs get many women pregnant. And all these African men see Western TV, porn, and music videos where white women are wild with jungle fever for the Negros. And US, the strongest nation in the world, elected a man who is the product of some African jiver shooting his seeds into a white woman. And the religion of the US is MLK-worship. No wonder Negroes are full of confidence.

Anyway, race-realism could support such a narrative. After all, The Derb is married to a Chinese woman. I’ll bet she married him for the same reason Amy Chua married a Jew. Compared to a chinee man, The Derb has the meater.

This is why race-realism isn’t enough. Every nation must create its own version of race-realism that favors the policy of keeping the ancestral in the hands of the people and in keeping its men and women together. For a race to survive on its land, it must be protected not only from the inferiority of other peoples but from the superiority of other peoples. HBD focuses so much on black inferiority in IQ, but the bigger threat to white men is where Negroes are superior in muscle strength, boom box voice, ass-shaking funkiness that turns women on, and size of ding dongs.

Also, polygyny will be destructive to civilization. While polygyny might offer more sexual pleasure to women, as more and more of them have children with wild-ass punks with genes that favor boing over responsibility, society will have more and more people who act in the mode of ‘let the good times roll’.
Imagine if all of US were like New Orleans after Katrina. It’s the end of civilization.

Scientific or magical explanations for the state we’re in make no difference now. It’s too late. Not even the most conservative institution or critic can turn back the clock by a single minute.

Funny, the same people that whine the most about race/gender/sex inequality are the same ones
who try to promote those differences don’t exist. That they are just a “social construct”.
So I guess there is no need for hiring quotas, Title 8 & 9, etc. How could we identify who qualifies?
Cognitive dissonance much ?

If left alone for way long enough, they diverge so far that members of local group A overhere can no longer interbreed with members of local group B over there. The different races have then become different species.

Problem is there is no basis, much less hard data, to believe the above is true. Macroevolution is wishful thinking by the darwinians.

Don’t get me wrong, I strongly believe that there are race differences in regards to intelligence (I haven’t seen strong evidence of differences in physical ability other than Black’s in running, if you look at olympic medals or athletic competitions it seems mostly correlated to countries that give a shit)

Would I advocate for quotas?

No

Would I advocate for affirmative action?

Yes, but I would argue for making the ranges more reasonable.

For example I would argue for a 20-50 point acceptable difference between whites and blacks on the sat.

Right now blacks get around 300 extra points added to their sat scores to the point where a black that gets a 2200 ends up accepted into every ivy while whites and east asians with a perfect 2400 don’t.

The points added are so much that there is an extremely noticeable difference.

Nevertheless a lot of studies have been done on white privilege. The evidence seems to show that if you are a minority you need to be better than a white to get the same shot. Simply by being born white your life is significantly easier.

This is nowhere based on stereotypes either since asians don’t have white privilege and when controlled they have worse housing opportunity, worse loans, higher sentences for the same crime etc..

“And by desacrazling and humanizing Jews, we can understand the horror of the Holocaust and understand why Jews feel the way they do.”

This is 2015, you cannot be serious.

The laughable ‘6M & gas chambers’ have easily been shown to be scientifically impossible fraud$.

http://www.codoh.com
No name calling, level playing field debate here:
http://forum.codoh.com

See how the bogus 6,000,000 Jews nonsense was marketed as far back as 1869, before WWI, between the wars and during WWII, here:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9859

The ‘holocau$t’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Real truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

There is PC and anti-PC, which would represent us.

But what of people like Steven Pinker and Amy Chua who walk the tightrope between both?

This video is both interesting and frustrating. Interesting cuz Chua will go where most will not but will not connect all the dots.

Video Link

I’ve grown suspicious whenever anyone accuses opponents of “magical thinking,” which seems a general term of opprobrium without any content. No more informative than “irrational.”

No doubt races (broadly conceived) are real. This is a truth of evolutionary biology. But that doesn’t justify cavalier disregard for norms of intellectual charity when refuting environmentalism, whose proponents are not universally victims of ignorant superstition. If their explanations are vague, they can be exposed as such without imputing gross irrationality.

“Magic dirt” is a beautifully apposite term, given that Marx rejected Darwinism, and preferred instead the theories of Pierre Trémaux (who? well, yeah), who claimed that geographical differences in the nature of the soil explained racial differences.

Is it ‘scientific’ to assume that a black applicant and a white applicant with the ‘same qualifications’ are equally as able to perform a given job?

The National Adult Literacy Survey would suggest that, for whatever reason, whites who never went to college are about as quantitatively literate (able to handle tasks with numbers) as blacks with a 4 year degree, and white college dropouts are more literate than blacks who went to graduate school.

Given this, employers could be perfectly rational in calling back the white applicant and not the black applicant, given the same qualifications, couldn’t they?

As to your point on dating, if you believe it’s somehow immoral or wrong for individuals to take race as a factor in who they date, you are mentally ill.

They are going to close all the gaps regardless of whats causing them. Most people want that, so thats what will happen. Changing a populations average frequency in some alleles isn’t a big a deal. Its technically easier than changing the environment. You only need to make some more nerdy babies than usual.

Theres no need to drive yourself crazy. You and all the racists lost a long time ago.

They are going to find Heaven regardless of whether it exists or not. Most people want Heaven, so that’s what will happen.

“They” will find a way to make the drugs/procedures that increase IQ not increase it as much for high-IQ populations as they do for low-IQ populations.

I believe in the scientific truth, and the scientific truth does show the existence of white privilege.

I think we should invade China, India, Japan, Israel, and all the other racist countries that practice Chinese Supremacy, Indian Supremacy, Japanese Supremacy, Jewish Supremacy, etc. We should nuke them all until they stop being so racist.

Egalitarianism is a darkie with his hand out, following YT around. End of story.

Nevertheless a lot of studies have been done on white privilege. The evidence seems to show that if you are a minority you need to be better than a white to get the same shot. Simply by being born white your life is significantly easier.

This is nowhere based on stereotypes either since asians don’t have white privilege and when controlled they have worse housing opportunity, worse loans, higher sentences for the same crime etc..

Don’t need studies to show that black privilege, brown privilege, yellow privilege, etc., are real. Just look at black, brown, and yellow countries.

Whites study white privilege precisely because it’s less real than black privilege, brown privilege, yellow privilege, etc.

“Egalitarian” darkies are grifters. Super-simple.

A brief fascination. Marx dropped Tremaux after Engels informed him that his work had no scientific value. (Engels followed developments in science closely, there being a kind of division of labor between the two.)

[To be a bit more argumentative: If Marxism ideologically inclines to “Magic Dirt,” you must think that Engels – who *never* had a sustained difference of opinion with Marx – was unMarxist.]

You dammy.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/four-million-01.html

We are talking about the exact same resume being submitted

Your literacy survey has no controls at all

Controlling for majors and university ranking for one thing. Since English majors would outscore math majors in any literacy test.

Only when a experiment is properly controlled and is repeatable can conclusions be drawn.

And keep in mind this is for interviews, and yes I do believe that denying economic opportunity is immoral, you should give the contract to the lowest bidder and give everyone an opportunity to bid, instead of giving it to your brothers company who is charging 10,000 x the lowest bidder and the job is being paid using other people’s money. Unfortunately the US government does no work this way.

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I don’t think it is immoral to take in race, I was just using it as an example of white privilege.

“Heritable does not mean genetic. It has been proven by direct studies on animals that the environment and its effects are also heritable by directly affecting the genes.”

You’re even more stupid than when you were alive.

You take stupidity to a new low.

The laughable ’6M & gas chambers’ have easily been shown to be scientifically impossible fraud$.

Right! That’s why literally single units of historians have published volumes on the topic!

No name calling, level playing field debate here:

http://forum.codoh.com

… and you moderate the debate, which is fair.

See how the bogus 6,000,000 Jews nonsense was marketed as far back as 1869, before WWI, between the wars and during WWII, here:

I realize this is probably news coming to someone who, you know, worked in a library, but you might want to go back to the original sources and see how many times other numbers of Jews were mentioned. Oh, wait: Someone did that.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/04/thomas-dalton-responds-to-roberto_29.html

You have NEVER made a single argument that I haven’t demolished a hundred times. And no — you posting a bunch of links to the forum you run doesn’t disprove that.

Since English majors would outscore math majors in any literacy test

Well, not this one, since it’s quantitative literacy. No big deal, as reading comp is not everyone’s forte, and you strike me as ESL.

To your main point, it’s a comparison of all respondents with various levels of education, true. It’s not a lab experiment, it’s a general survey of American adults. Do you believe the results would be different with more controls? Given these results and the presence of AA, there’s absolutely no sensible reason to believe that a black candidate from a random school and program is as qualified as a white candidate. The only reason is faith, faith in the doctrine of Human Equality, faith which is not borne out by the facts. You cannot assume differing response rates imply racism, bias or malice. Perhaps its time for black americans (and their apologists) to look inward instead of blaming the system.

Only when a experiment is properly controlled and is repeatable can conclusions be drawn.

Well in that case, I hope you don’t believe in Stereotype Threat.

You are still comparing apples to oranges.

Clearly you are not a scientist if you fail to see why your graph is so poorly controlled that it cannot be used to support your arguments that blacks with the same resume are not equal enough to whitexplain resumes.

Any idiot knows that it takes more g to get a bachelors in engineering than a PhD in social work. Conversely this difference should show up in your mathematical literacy test.

In addition there are no controls for university quality. Is a engineering degree from community college equal to one from mit?

What does this show?

This shows that if you don’t know the composition of the sample in regards to majors and if you don’t know what schools they are from, then the evidence for your assertations are simply absent.

>Given these results and the presence of AA, there’s absolutely no sensible reason to believe that a black candidate from a random school and program is as qualified as a white candidate.

I never claimed this, I claimed EXACT SAME RESUME. This means same gpa, same class ranking, same test scores, same extracurriculars.

A affirmative action poster boy would end up at the bottom of the curve.

The bottom line is that exact same application / resume being submitted with a slight change in name causes massively different outcomes is pretty strong evidence of the existence of white privilege.

Also names like cletus, performed much worse than swpl white names.

There is no evidence on the existence of stereotype threat except in the minds of liberal shitheads

“I don’t think it is immoral to take in race, I was just using it as an example of white privilege.”

Well it was an exceptionally poor example, unless your intent was to illustrate your bias. The vast majority of women choose men of the same race as their father. This is common to all races. But when whites do it, it has somehow become an indicator of “privilege.”

I never claimed this, I claimed EXACT SAME RESUME. This means same gpa, same class ranking, same test scores, same extracurriculars.

Resumes aren’t grad school applications, they usually don’t have gpa, class rank or test scores.

In addition there are no controls for university quality.

This doesn’t matter. Affirmative action ensures that black students will be less qualified than their white peers at any institution that uses it. Even schools that don’t use it will be effected, since the more talented black students that would otherwise attend will be siphoned off to the schools that do.

Only when a experiment is properly controlled and is repeatable can conclusions be drawn.

A more recent literacy survey was done in 2003 with similar results, see p.40.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2007480
http://nces.ed.gov/Pubs2007/2007480.pdf

““Egalitarian” darkies are grifters. Super-simple.”

And race realists are hucksters. There really is no observable difference between the race baiters and the race realists. Each side represents the coalition of the fringes. Racism, sexism, feminism, and rape are merely buzzwords today, their meanings having been stripped down to meaningless memes.

Someone who chooses the handle you have chosen has a problem.

College student detected. Nobody cares about your GPA, test scores or class ranking in the real world. Yes, all that grade grubbing will have been for nothing. A resume will have the school where the degree was completed, and the degree/major. The rest is work experience. Given these constraints, there’s no reason to assume blacks are as qualified, especially given the evidence I’ve presented (I notice yours is absent), and the pervasive nature of the institutionalized mediocrity that is AA.

Job resumes DO have GPA and grades. They are used especially for interns or if its the persons first job.

“They” will find a way to make the drugs/procedures that increase IQ not increase it as much for high-IQ populations as they do for low-IQ populations.

You stupid lol. Low average IQ population DO NOT need drugs to increase their average. They can do it SIMPLY by making more smart babies than they usually do. Thats it.

Thats “if” a significant part of the gaps are genetic. Hasn’t been proven yet, and is unlikely from what I have seen.

Stereotype threat:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18426293
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7473032
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25706769
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25621742

You’re responding to someone else’s comment, not mine.

You’re comment makes absolutely no sense. I never said to not look at a person’s personal record. I said that you should look at a person’s personal record and how it fits with larger statistics.

For instance, let’s say that you have a black loan applicant with with a FICO score of 650 and an income of $80k for a 30-fixed of $240k. Let’s also assume that statistics show that black applicants with those attributes buying in that neighborhood default 5% of the time compared to 2.5% of the time for white applicants with similar numbers in white neighborhoods. Why would you charge that black applicant the same interest rate as white applicants with similar numbers? You’d be a terrible banker if you did.

Now, you can argue that charging those black applicants higher interest rates lead to higher default rates, but I haven’t seen any proof of that. Perhaps, black people and white are different. Perhaps whites have a higher propensity to continue paying when times get hard. Who knows. And as the bank, who cares. Your duty is to the shareholders of the bank. Let the gov’t play around with other people’s money. That’s not your job. You should charge people based on the numbers, not some save the world, do-gooder instincts.

You mention hurting innocent people. What about the innocent shareholders who expect you to make loans that won’t default, or, at the very least, change enough interest to make up for the higher default rate.

Stop working for a bank and start working for the feds if you want to do social engineering. Of course, given the gov’t’s track record of closing black/white gaps, you’re not likely to do any good.

If the performance of blacks can be effortlessly degraded by whites just by having an unfavorable opinoin of their abilities than that is a worst disadvantage than actually being of lower average intelligence.

I notice that East Asians seem totally immune to the voodoo power of whites.

This is why race realism alone cannot save the white race.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/11/02/notre-dame-tutor-accused-of-pressuring-students-including-athletes-into-having-sex-with-her-daughter/

One can argue that the white mother of this story is a race realist. She noticed that black men are tougher, more muscular, and bigger donged. She must have jungle-fever, and she encouraged it on her daughter, and even encouraged black male athletes to have sex with her daughter.

We have so many stories now of white female teachers having sexual relations with black high school and college students and athletes.

The Cuck-stuff is becoming the New Social Ideal. It’s even been promoted in a children’s program about a female high school football player and her black lover.

The Cuck Stuff is ‘race realist’ in a way. It says that white men are more responsible and better earners but black men are better humpers.
So, the white female ideal is to have a white husband who brings home the bacon but have a black ‘bull’ lovers on the side to have more fun. And even white males are buying into it. How is this not race realist? It is completely race realist.

The question is this:

Should white men who take notice of this reality resist it as a danger to their pride/survival or welcome it in the manner of ‘may the best man win’?

Should white males see black males as a racial-sexual threat and fear white females turning into race-traitors, and should white males therefore unite to fight off the black race to keep their white women for themselves?

Or should white males accept the outcome whereby they acknowledge black males as superior and they themselves take a beta-male position in society whereby they do get to marry white women and provide home and hearth for their wives who act like Nicole Simpson and Heidi Klum and have affairs with black men?

Both BIRTH OF A NATION and RAP CULTURE are race realist.

Both accept the view that blacks pose a threat to whites.

Like Public Enemy said, ‘fear of a black planet’ and ‘it takes a nation of millions to hold us back’.

BIRTH OF A NATION says that white men should see the danger posed by blacks and unite and fight them off.
Rap culture says white boys should wiggle their sappy butts to rap music, worship black males, and be happily beta as black men take white women.

Both are premised on racial differences, with black males being macho thugs over wussy white boys.

And now, with millions of young black African men arriving in Europe yr after yr, it’s only a matter of time before Western Europe turns into an extension of North Africa where the average person will be mixed race, largely due to white women having babies with black men.

The only difference between BIRTH and RAP is this:

BIRTH says Resist!

RAP says Surrender!

Both are premised on the notion that black males are tougher than white males and pose a sexual threat to them.

Cuck culture favors white female interest over white male interest. It prioritizes what white women want. White women want security and economic well-being, and they get this from marrying white men or co-habiting with white men. But increasingly, as white women are jungle-feverized via rap music, pornification of culture, and national sports obsession, they want to have sex with black males.
Cuck culture says white women should have both: white men should take care of them, and black males should screw them.

Cuck culture is the new feminism. White boys provide the bacon and black boys provide the sausage for white women.

There is indeed magical and dirty white privilege, but the scum that market this idea omit a very important adjective when they utter this deceptive phrase.

The important adjective omitted is diversity, like as in white diversity privilege.

There are many white people that are also diversity (aka victim cult) people too.

All of the following classes of white diversity people demand and receive legal privileges:.

This is about girls and math, but shows strong publication bias when meta-analysis is run. That’s why I said I hoped he didn’t believe in Stereotype Threat when he was talking about repeatability.

http://wicherts.socsci.uva.nl/florewicherts2015.pdf

That’s hilarious.

[The student tried to end his relationship with the tutor’s daughter, but she then pressured him to convert to Catholicism and recommended he seek mental health counseling.]

Unfortunately, speciation through natural selection is the one area of Darwinism that is not borne out by reality.

If their explanations are vague, they can be exposed as such without imputing gross irrationality.

Apparently not.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rational-and-irrational-thought/

At least in the precis that’s available, the article you cite does not attribute gross irrationality. To say an individual is subject to various biases, for example, is not usually to imply that he believes in magic.

[However, some of the most vocal purveyors or “rationalism,” such as the Yudkowskyites, are prone to making allegations of magical thinking. But if vagueness means magic, then calling something magical thinking is to practice magical thinking. Not that I would describe it that way. To label something “magical thinking” usually serves to impart the impression of profundity to a vague sense of non sequitur.]

This line of research was disproven over twenty years ago. When the Boston Fed did their study in the early 1990’s regarding mortgage applications they found blacks had a higher loan rejection rate than whites, like one in six compared to one in nine for Whites matched for income, however as pointed out by people critical of the study, the default rate for Whites and Blacks ( This was before the Feds started applying pressure to banks to loan to bad credit risks ) on those same applications was virtually identical, within a half percent of each other. In other words despite the significantly higher rejection rate, Blacks still had a fractionally higher default rate, meaning in other words banks were very effective at rationally determining credit worthiness. If Blacks were being irrationally discriminated against it would have resulted in a much lower default rate, instead of a fractionally higher one as compared to Whites.

Whites and blacks were not equivalent in the real world despite the same incomes, because blacks often had more debt, less savings and investment income, and often held less secure jobs, all of those determine creditworthiness. The same study also showed that Asians were rejected for loans at a lower rate than whites. Does that mean according to your reasoning that whites are being irrationally discriminated against vis-à-vis Asians by banks? Or is the commonplace explanation of Whites being better credit risks than Blacks and Asians being better credit risks than Whites the more plausible explanation? This isn’t an academic exercise, the real world result of that study by the Boston Fed was the massive lowering of credit standards initiated by Clinton and further fueled by Bush II which ultimately lead to the Mortgage Meltdown.

I think Darwinian evolution is philosophically unsound, so that already means that I do not accept much of what HBDers have to say about genetics and inheritance. However, I still am a “race-realist” after a fashion–I acknowledge that that mysterious property which we call race or ethnicity is both real and significant, and is not merely a social construct. Nevertheless, the soil, climate, diet, mode of living, and the influence of the culture contribute mightily to what we call “race” and over time can alter and transform it. “Magic dirt” is also real and should not be dismissed.

This is exactly what Bob Whitaker said at least a decade ago: He literally said there was nothing magic about the dirt in North America. It was always the people that is successful.

He said bringing Brown people here wouldn’t magically transform them.

That study says that the effect size “might” be biased, as they found
“signs” of publication bias.

They didn’t actually prove publication bias. You are bias in when interpreting what you read. A maybe automatically becomes an IS. Its like that with all you racists.

Also didn’t you read the other meta analysis in the links? They even show motor effects on cognition.

I appreciate your long rants because of their clarity, some would say vulgarity I suppose.

However I’m not too sure about the “jungle fever” thing. There’s bound to be some women who prefer blacks over whites, just as there are plenty of white males who like nothing better than petite asians.
As for those who make a thing out of dating exclusively blacks, they’re not that common and usually not the “cream of the crop” anyway in my experience…

The real, long-term problem is that dumb people outbreed smart ones. For most of human evolution, fundamental things like taking care of oneself, planning ahead and problem-solving have meant an edge in selection, both in surviving and subsequently in finding a mate.
I’d say that’s been the norm for the majority of people throughout history. But it changed with urbanisation, and furthermore with the end of constant warfare.

What we have today is a radically different society. Many of the things that used to be disadvantegous are the opposite today, if we regard humans as an organism:
If you don’t work, you have more time to make babies.
If you don’t plan ahead, less chance you’ll use contraception.
If you don’t care about fidelity, more potential mates in larger populations.

Then factor out any survivability edge, since we now live in societies of millions looking out for each other’s health and security at least until sexual maturity. No sexual/survival competitive edge, no selective edge. No selective edge, no natural selection towards the qualities many of us wish were selected towards.
Top that with a widespread ideal of “modern” as being someone who wishes anything but having lots of kids: whether it’s travelling, working or getting educated.

Saying the reason there’s a demographic explosion in developing countries whereas industrialized ones can barely sustain without immigration, is all due to “big black dicks” is pretty silly. There’s been a fundamental change to selection among humans since industralization. It favors behavior opposed to our societal ideals in terms of reproduction, and nullifies the survival advantage of what we usually call intelligence.

“However I’m not too sure about the “jungle fever” thing. There’s bound to be some women who prefer blacks over whites, just as there are plenty of white males who like nothing better than petite asians.”

Just look at the number of blacks coming to Europe. They are mostly men. Black population is exploding, interracism is promoted, and white girls grow up on rap and sports.

And look at the video below. One black guy in Poland(relatively conservative) infects so many with HIV.

This means there are tons of white girls who are wild about JF. It is the white malaria. When cultural and tribal restraints break down, nature takes over, and women like swaggering studs.

Video Link

“white Veterans are oppressed by Militia”

Please elaborate.

If, to become like a White person, a Black or Hispanic need do nothing more than sit next to a White in a class, or live next door to one, then the White race is even more superior than the most fervent White Supremacist ever imagined in his wildest dreams.

It ain’t “magic dirt.” Blacks have noticed, anytime they move into areas where the “magic dirt” is making all the Whites and Asians prosperous, all the Whites and Asians move away and the magic leaves with them, but the dirt (and bricks and concrete, now all nicely dressed up in graffiti) is still. there.

So it ain’t Magic *Dirt.* It’s that blacks think there must be something like magic fairy dust, and the Whites and Asians stole it all. Probably soon after, (as explicated by Elijah Muhammad, Nation of Islam guy,) Yakob the black genius created us white devils 6000 years ago.

So, what happens, see, is, Whites and Asians have stolen all the Magic Fairy Dust. When they move into a new area, they sprinkle a bit and lovely Trump Towers spring up from the ground, all by themselves, like sunflowers. Also, roads, Wal Marts, liquor stores and supplies of purple drink.

So, you see, since the Whites and Asians have all stolen the Magic Fairy Dust, leaving none for them, blacks simply have no choice but to move in where the Whites and Asians are. But because Whites (and Asians) are just stupid and evil, they quickly move away, taking the Magic Fairy Dust with them. As soon as the Magic Fairy Dust goes, so does the neighborhood. Guns start firing, knives start causing stab wounds and Brilliant Black Baby Bodies start failing to read in schoo.

How about the magic dirt in Japan? Look what this hi-IQ people did after their country was flattened during WW2. They rebuilt into an industrial colossus on islands with few extractable natural resources. They must import in most oil and natural gas, iron, iron ore and use this to manufacture finished goods the whole world wants to buy. Korea is roughly the same.

Magically get rid of all Japanese, leave all buildings and infrastructure intact and put 100 million Mexicans or Africans on those Islands and see what they will do with it. We know the answer.

If one were to shut an airtight box and suspend it in a magnetic field so that it hovered off the ground and was thus immune to terrestrial perturbations, wouldn’t the air particles in the box eventually all cease to move?

Under 40? Try under 90.

If one were to shut an airtight box and suspend it in a magnetic field so that it hovered off the ground and was thus immune to terrestrial perturbations, wouldn’t the air particles in the box eventually all cease to move?

No. Motion stops at absolute zero (which has never been attained). It is a matter of the energy in the system, not “perturbations”.

Disappointing. While I agree that the PMS (“politically-moderated science”) of today is patently incorrect in discounting the obvious parsimonious explanation of heritable behavior, Derbyshire positing that “magic dirt” is the alternate hypothesis is just as inane.

While I too am a race realist, I am also a CULTURE realist. “Cultures” exists, as living, evolving sets of group norms, expectations, beliefs, values, and behaviors within identifiable populations. Nations have cultures, races have culture, cities have cultures, schools have cultures, businesses have cultures. When an individual has an affinity with (affiliates or identifies with) multiple cultures, that person’s behavior is influenced by multiple cultures (and may have an impact on those cultures). These “cultures” explain very well the “magic dirt” that exists in some schools, cities, ethnic groups, etc. — and in my mind, do so even better than the heritable behavior explanation.

It should be noted that some cultures clearly are sick. I can think of, for example, a particular US subculture which is contemptuous of education, glorifies promiscuity and violence, where a man keeps score by how many times he “scores,” and where the majority of kids are bred out of wedlock. Unfortunately, the definition of “sick” is slippery. It can be defined in terms of propensity towards results that are universally accepted as social ills, such as, in the particular subculture I am considering, a male from that particular “culture” (ethnic group) having a 69% probability of being incarcerated at some point in his life. (Perhaps the “sickness” of a culture can better be operationalized in terms of the ability the population to provide for its own needs as defined by Maslow.)

What is not clear to me is how much of the “social ills” associated with certain identifiable subpopulations are results of 1) heritable factors (DNA-encoded, as suggested by Derbyshire), 2) self-oppression due to “sick cultures,” or 3) oppression by other cultures.

I think that today’s politically-moderated science mindlessly errs way too far toward the third explanation, “race realists” emphasize (perhaps over-emphasize) the first explanation, and we need more “culture realists” to examine the second explanation.

Yeah, I know your point. Disregarding any sensationalist news site or youtube clip, or your personal hang-ups though, the reality around me isn’t like that.

Perhaps white US is different from white Europe, both in terms of culture and ideals. Interracial couples are extremely rare here, even though I live in one of Europe’s more diverse areas. There are of course the occassional women who obviously go for blacks, but it’s more of a comical stereotype than anywhere near the norm.

My point was however, that people like the guy in your link, are going to make more babies in a society constructed like ours, than someone who displays the traits we idealize, so eventually those traits will be more common – in other words the dumb outbreed the smart.

you are a disgrace to Hitler.

Good article. Magic dirt.

People who don’t believe in race should really watch the movie Olympia about the 1936 Olympics and pay particular attention to Jesse Owens.

Derbyshire writes:

Given that all these traits are heritable, it follows from the ordinary laws of biology that different races will exhibit different statistical profiles on them. That’s not astonishing, mysterious, or horrible: It’s just first-floor-level science.

That’s ridiculous, assuming that he means there will be substantial differences (of course there wil be negligible differences, no two groups will be exactly equal). The conclusion doesn’t even pass the sanity test: If it were true, if Derbyshire’s conclusion followed from his premise, then the decades-long scientific debate over racial differences in IQ would have been settled at least twenty years ago. That’s because, since the early 1990s at the latest, basically everyone accepted that IQ is substantially heritable. (According to Arthur Jensen, Leon Kamin was the only environmentalist who hadn’t conceded the point by then.)

Scientists like James Flynn and Arthur Jensen explicitly negate Derbyshire’s assertion: its falsity is just first-floor-level science. Or is Derbyshire more authoritative in the field than they are?

This isn’t some one-time mistake on his part. He’s always saying nutty stuff like this. Why is it that the bloggers who always brag about how they’re so “scientific” and “rational” always go around publishing wacky, unscientific nonsense?

Wonderful post JSM! Humor is a wonderful PC antidote. Thanks.

I think that today’s politically-moderated science mindlessly errs way too far toward the third explanation, “race realists” emphasize (perhaps over-emphasize) the first explanation, and we need more “culture realists” to examine the second explanation.

Your hypothesis would be more credible if not for the fact that the population associated with this culture you critique has never in any time or place known achieved the basics of civilization. No written language, no books of course, no science nor math. And when experiments have been done to take infants from this population and raise them in white cultures, the results have been the same as if they were raised in their own culture.

You’re over complicating things. There is zero, absolutely zero, scientific dispute that races differ physically in all sorts of ways. There are genetic differences we can identify with simple field tests. Pathologists can look at a brain and correctly identify the race of the person to whom it belonged. Wherever these races are found in the world they have similar societies and similar cultural and intellectual achievements. Now, knowing this is the case, which is more likely – that cognitive abilities differ just like physical size, structure, mass, muscle composition, and brain structure? Or that somehow cognitive ability is the one thing that is absolutely the same across all races? Culture is a product of cognition. Not vice-versa. And cognition is a function of organic structure and biochemistry. Not vice-versa. Nothing has ever disproven this despite trillions of dollars expended in a frantic effort to do so. Just accept reality – Africans are cognitively different from white, Asian, or Jew. In fact, all equatorial populations are cognitively different from northern with African and Australian aborigines at the extreme opposite end from Jews and northeast Asians.

The “dating website” disparity?

Am I the only person who interprets this entire line of reasoning as a clear indictment of me as a racist simply because, as a Caucasian straight male I found my wife (a Caucasian straight female) to be more attractive than other women, and that for all practical purposes I did not and generally do not find black females attractive?

If we’re going to define that as racist, then when the heat comes into this cold war on SWMs I won’t feel the least sympathy for those on the “other side.”

Freedom of Association has been a dead letter for my entire life. I suppose it should be no surprise that the Left-collectivists wish to use the threat of state-sanctioned violence (anti-discrimination law and its fines, jails and guns) to move from commercial relationships to personal ones.

Are you Left-collectivists suggesting that men and women be forced by law to pick their mates from a random assortment across the color/race/culture spectrum? Even the hint of this makes my blood rise toward boil.

Women are typically more pulled by fashion than men. Today’s “fashion” is multi-culti, so on the hierarchy of women telling their peers, “look at me, I’m more (—– ) than you are,” bedding black men is waaaay cooler than, say, getting a rubber ducky tattoo or dying your hair pink.

Watch the Boob Tube. Commercials overwhelmingly target men and women for food, but mostly women for shoes and clothes. If I were a woman who fancied myself an “independent thinker,” I’d cringe in horror at how easily manipulated are my fellow ladies. Firms telling women to buy another pair of fashionable boots wouldn’t spend billions on ads if they didn’t manipulate weak-minded, easily steered people so readily.

Talk about a herd…

if Derbyshire’s conclusion followed from his premise, then the decades-long scientific debate over racial differences in IQ would have been settled at least twenty years ago.

Hello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me..

The “scientific debate” IS over. The only remaining question is which genes interact in which ways to increase or decrease intelligence. The reason we cannot just go on with life is that we stupidly allowed a Stone Age population off the reservation and now have 40,000,000+ of them in the USA alone. So “racism” is the worst evil imaginable and instead every rational person knows the truth but is terrified to admit it to any but the absolute closest of friends or family. Those less rational are in the news every day having been robbed, raped, or murdered by one of these stone agers because they lacked the wisdom to stick to the suburbs or heed the danger.

But a black resume that is significantly better will tend to get the interview over the lesser qualified person. In this case the premium simply wasn’t enough to make up for it.

Belly laugh. The person who wrote this has never worked in Corporate America. While at Johnson & Johnson I saw instance after instance where whites were passed over for promotion because the firm’s upper management was desperate to promote “diversity candidates.” From Abbott to GE to 3M, I guaranteed that a black, especially a black female, will leapfrog just about any white candidate (and if she’s a lesbian or the newest fad, transgender, there’s no stopping her.)

A black man from Ethicon was brought into a manager position where I worked despite his never being in the management development program; he was without a doubt the worst manager I’d worked for in 25 years of corporate sales. Lest one think my view was based on racism, one of my favorite managers was a black woman. She was qualified; he was not. He got the job because he was available.

Then again, last year I watched a black woman use the Federal anti-racism apparatus to openly extort a five-figure settlement from her previous employer, a medical firm on whom I called as a salesman. If I were in a position to hire someone, why on God’s Green Earth would I hire a black woman when she can later make any wild claim she wants and, if I value my firm’s reputation in the community, force me to pay her tens of thousands of dollars to go away quietly rather than lie her face off and get her mug on the evening news?

Racism is real. It’s been a weapon used to hit whites, especially white males, for decades. I think I speak for many when I say, “we’re getting tired of turning the other cheek.”

Race realism? More like “black realism”.

It’s a fad.

You’re making the mistake of thinking any of this is rational. It’s no more rational than thinking AMZN is worth $644/share, that a 30 year T-bond yielding 3% makes sense when the government issuing it is $60 trillion in debt, or that it’s amazing and wonderful for a young woman to cover her body (especially arms, neck, face, etc.) with the latest fashion statement, colorful tattoos.

It’s all part of the same herd mentality, waxing and waning according to the socionomic hypothesis.

We’re in all likelihood late in the up-cycle. When the down-cycle portion comes, all of this will go away. What will be left, however, is that white women who immersed themselves in the fad of interracial relationships fully will be saddled with black kids at a time when the people who make the USA (and most of the Western World) run will no longer wish to be afflicted with them.

Stupid actions have bad consequences. Nature punishes folly, and those punishments cannot be held in abeyance forever (via redistributive taxes, etc.) Lots of fads are self-destructive–look at the idiots who display high-spectrum fad-following in the areas of tattoos and piercings.

It’s all assorting on the same curve.

Lol you are daydreaming.

Even during the most “racist” times people were going interracial. Thats why the government made such harsh laws for it in places like Apartheid. It happens even during the worst times possible for it.

Also USA is increasingly being run by non whites… as with any place in the world, since non whites are majority and the black portion increasing the fastest.

The more blacks that meet white women the more interracial you will see and boy are there more black on the way. Because statistical probability goes all to hell when people fall in love or lust.

Your whole life and mind will be consumed by blacks and non whites. It already is I bet.

Are you telling me you looked at this plot

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4360754/figure/fig1/

In which there is a roughly similar number of statistically significant results which confirm your thesis as those which deny your thesis.

And you concluded that you should link it in this thread?

Are you a moron? Are you just trolling?

The world may never know.

LYSENKO LIVES!

Someone needs a nap…

And your names Hitler??

Are you a moron? Are you just trolling?

By far the best feature of Unz.com is the “Commenters to ignore” feature Ron added a while ago. My list is up to around twelve names now and I’m able to enjoy the outstanding comments from many of the regulars as well as some of the irregulars without the annoyance of the trolls. I see you guys replying to them (Ron should figure out how to exclude replies to those on the ignore list) and am left to wonder “why?”

What did Hitler ever do to you?

You’re forgetting one thing: Blacks couldn’t organize a piss-up in a brewery.

The only reason that blacks function above primitive hunter gathers is because whites artificially hold them up. If whites ever decide to stop supporting blacks or there aren’t enough whites around to hold up blacks, our magic negros will return to the life from whence they came.

Blacks have neither the IQ nor the temperament to maintain anything close to a modern, technological civilization. Heck, they don’t have the ability to maintain the equivalent of a European medieval society.

As to their ability to force whites to provide for them, not a chance. If allowed, whites – as a group – could take out blacks in a heartbeat. Our brains, discipline and organization would make mincemeat out of blacks. Blacks are a bit tougher and bigger on average, so they have an advantage in a one-on-one fight, but that advantage is more or less useless if white are allowed to organize. Hell, even blacks know this. Do you really think that blacks wouldn’t have tried to kick whites’ asses long ago if they thought that they could win.

Although they don’t know it, blacks are living in a fairy tale time. How long it lasts no one knows. What we do know is that it will end.

Nifty bit on PC.

The “scientific debate” IS over.

Bahahahahaha!!!

He’s black…but not like Truth…

Did you read what the actual scientists of the meta analysis said?

I will quote and bolden the important words:

“however, there were several signs for the presence of publication bias. We conclude that publication
bias might seriously distort the literature on the effects of stereotype threat among schoolgirls.”

NOW READ THAT CAREFULLY. They use the word “might” for a very good reason. Its because publication bias and a “roughly similar” amount of studies with opposite effect does not mean that the real world negative effect is negated.

Eh its not like it matter really, because they have plenty direct studies measuring the effects on the brain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2555429/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2570773/

The core of HBD is under attack too, with things like epigenetics that has direct experimental evidence for intergenerational transmittance of environmental effects directly onto the genes. Its not like your stupid allele association studies with imagined significance values or “many genes of small effect” So small that you have to imagine it LOL.

The bottom line is that exact same application / resume being submitted with a slight change in name causes massively different outcomes is pretty strong evidence of the existence of white privilege.

And the same experiment in China would expose “Han privilege”. In South Africa, Xhosa privilege. In Malaysian government, Malay privilege; in Malaysian business, more Han privilege.

All that proves is that peoples that people that build societies set the rules and customs to fit themselves. By definition, those rules and customs will fit others less comfortably. Is this rocket science to you?

Stan–“I see you guys replying to them (Ron should figure out how to exclude replies to those on the ignore list) and am left to wonder “why?””

It’s called debate. Try it some time without resorting to being in an echo chamber.

Stan–“Just accept reality – Africans are cognitively different from white, Asian, or Jew.”

Depends on how one defines “cognitively different” and the factors associated with these differences. Listen, there are differences between the races. It’s just that those “differences” have been twisted and turned to using IQ as the backdrop to as “evidence” to prove certain assertions.

Citizen–“The only reason that blacks function above primitive hunter gathers is because whites artificially hold them up. If whites ever decide to stop supporting blacks or there aren’t enough whites around to hold up blacks, our magic negros will return to the life from whence they came.”

Blacks had developed their own civilization. It may not have been technologically advanced compared to whites, but it assuredly wasn’t “primitive”. Regardless, Africans were content with leading their own lives. Then came Europeans, with their greed and avarice, seeking to “civilize” heathens. Of course, they were no different than their black brethren who, on the continent of Africa, engaged in similar barbaric practices like pillaging and plundering. That’s just the human nature.

“Blacks have neither the IQ nor the temperament to maintain anything close to a modern, technological civilization. Heck, they don’t have the ability to maintain the equivalent of a European medieval society.”

You are fixated on this concept that civilization = modern. Again, having innovations is only ONE metric. You really should educate yourself.

http://www.asbmb.org/asbmbtoday/asbmbtoday_article.aspx?id=32437

“As to their ability to force whites to provide for them, not a chance. If allowed, whites – as a group – could take out blacks in a heartbeat.”

Please define “whites”.

“Our brains, discipline and organization would make mincemeat out of blacks. Blacks are a bit tougher and bigger on average, so they have an advantage in a one-on-one fight, but that advantage is more or less useless if white are allowed to organize. Hell, even blacks know this. Do you really think that blacks wouldn’t have tried to kick whites’ asses long ago if they thought that they could win?

Internet Tough Guy alert. Seriously, are you for real? Why don’t you organize this group and go on some rampage. Make a name for yourself. Or are you simply fantasizing out loud?

DC–“Freedom of Association has been a dead letter for my entire life.”

You have the liberty to associate with whomever you please. This concept is not “dead” by any stretch of the imagination.

Well for one thing he absolutely killed the Chaplin moustache. Not to.mention you can’t name your kid ADOLF anymore.You name a goldfish ADOLF you’re gonna get looks!

I think it was Louis Farrakahn who said, “What did you do to make Hitler mad at you?”

You are the king of special pleading.

Not being able quote Mein Kampf is my worst. That book was so brilliant for a pussified age like today’s.

Timely comment.

“Africans are cognitively different from white, Asian, or Jew”

That statement is actually 100% wrong. There are average differences in the frequency of people with the same cognition(with an unproven cause). There is no such thing as white cognition or black cognition.

Most of these morons can’t even understand that lol.

I believe in the scientific truth, and the scientific truth does show the existence of white privilege.

No, it doesn’t.

The resume/housing/dating website application etc study has been repeated many times

Non whites or the wrong types of whites have to pay a premium to get the same treatment from others.

No. No study attempting to measure this has ever been done.

All of your vapid contentions depend on the ludicrously false premise that the entire world consists of the USA (or white-majority countries).

The concept of “white privilege” is a lie that depends on the removal of all context.

All peoples are naturally inclined to favor their own kind, but people like you aren’t interested in this fact, and you most certainly will not delegitimize the existence of other peoples for doing what whites do. You limit your analysis and critique to the actions of whites because the “white privilege” project exists solely as a mechanism to take things from whites for the benefit of non-whites.

The phenomenon demonized as “white privilege” is an unremarkable example of a people using the resources they have assembled for their own good.

If it were true, if Derbyshire’s conclusion followed from his premise, then the decades-long scientific debate over racial differences in IQ would have been settled at least twenty years ago.

There never was a scientific debate. There was, however, a political attack on science.

“You are the king of special pleading.”

And you are the queen of rhetoric. Do you even have a point?

“The concept of “white privilege” is a lie that depends on the removal of all context.”

“White/black/Jew/Asian privilege”, “white/black/Jew/Asian supremacy” and “white/black/Jew/Asian genocide” are meaningless phrases crafted by elitist liberals and conservatives to promote an agenda. By all means, fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

“All peoples are naturally inclined to favor their own kind, but people like you aren’t interested in this fact, and you most certainly will not delegitimize the existence of other peoples for doing what whites do.”

There is nothing observably wrong with “favoring one’s own kind”. It’s when that favoring turns into the rule of law and the rule of the gun against those peoples who favor ALL kinds and are lambasted by people of their own kind for being anti-[fill in the blank].

If “all the racists lost a long time ago,” how come the US still has race-based affirmative action? Could it be that a color-blind society is not really on the multi-culti agenda?

Yeh-heh. All this “white privilege” business is getting nauseating. Solzhenitsyn’s Zek aphorism seems appropriate here:

“If they’re [effing] you, don’t lie down and ask for it!”

“All peoples are naturally inclined to favor their own kind”.

Nope. Heck people will kill other humans(including their own race) to save entirely different species like dogs, rhinos, elephants, even cats. I certainly will, and someone being a racist makes it much easier to justify.

You racists always fail to rationalize ill treatment of others. Even something being biological does not justify it, ever.

Lol. So something which you racists complain non stop about, misrepresent, want removed still being here is proof against you losing?

LOL.

Ben, Stan: If you want to pretend that there was no scientific debate, that James Flynn and others didn’t exist or something, that Jensen and other hereditarians were wrong in believing that their own position had never been demonstrated dispositively, that’s up to you.

That wasn’t my main point, though. My main point was that Derbyshire is a moron.

Let us all remember what the great Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber) once wrote in his manifesto:

You can’t have a united world without rapid transportation and communication, you can’t make all people love one another without sophisticated psychological techniques, you can’t have a “planned society” without the necessary technological base.

I think today, more than ever, his manifesto makes sense of a lot of the things going on right now.

Really really need to get Radio Derb on RSS feed

If you want to pretend that there was no scientific debate, that James Flynn and others didn’t exist or something, that Jensen and other hereditarians were wrong in believing that their own position had never been demonstrated dispositively, that’s up to you.

As has been noted already, we have known from the moment we discovered the Sub-Saharan peoples that they were remarkably different from us physically and cognitively. Not one legitimate (un-politicized) scientist ever seriously disagreed. Indeed, since even a small child can readily observe profound differences, a claim that they don’t exist is the antithesis of “science” isn’t it? So whether it was Christians belief in a magical sky fairy who made the Africans exactly the same as the Europeans, Northeast Asians, Jews, etc, or it was Marxists with malicious intent to destroy Western Civilization using the African as a tool, the fact remains that science is based on repeatable observation and it’s impossible to observe Africans as the same genotype or phenotype as whites or orientals. The last half millennium has only scientifically qualified and quantified exactly what and how large those differences truly are.

That wasn’t my main point, though. My main point was that Derbyshire is a moron.

And now we reach the bottom line don’t we? “Truth hurts my head – Derb is a moron.” It always comes down to this. Always. Why don’t you instead show us proofs that the Bantu has the same skeletal structure as the German? Or the Bantu has same ratio of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fiber as the Japanese? Or the same cranial volume and brain structure as the Jew? Or same behavioral traits as the Eskimo? There have been many lying Marxists and magic-believing Thumpers in the past Century who have written volumes of prevarication and fairytales, but the problem is objective observation and measurement. And this is why humans must be brainwashed to not see the obvious differences and trillions of dollars have and will be spent forcing non-compatible populations together and artificially papering over the vast sea of empirical evidence of difference in aptitude and outcome. Despite all this, despite the highest per pupil spending in the State, Detroit Public Schools (an exclusively African enterprise) can only manage 4% proficiency in reading. Clearly those darn reading tests are “morons” right? You deniers need to up your game – too many facts escape your embargo and too many whites are now laughing at your epithets like “moron” and “racist.”

“the reality around me isn’t like that”

One should never mistake one’s own little reality with the Big Reality.

Also, just look at the boatfuls of Africans from the Dark Continent. The dam has burst.

And African population is exploding while European population is declining.

Now, consider the trends:

Tons of African males entering Europe + low Euro birthrate + jungle fever + interracist propaganda pushed by the state = Africanization of Europe.

Europe will become like Morocco.

It is not a matter of hang-ups but real trends. And Europeans have no defenses against this, militarily or morally. They are total cucks of Jews who, in the NYT, are celebrating this invasion.

“Women are typically more pulled by fashion than men.”

But WHY is there this ‘fashion’ for jungalo fever?

Partly, one could say it’s due to state and industry propaganda. But suppose your average Negro looked like Arnold(of Diff’rent Strokes). Would there be this fashion for Negroes?
No, no matter how much the media tried to convince white women that Negroes like Gary Coleman are appealing, most would not fall for it.

So, this cannot be blamed on fashion alone. This ‘fashion’ is based on real natural differences between the races. Look how blacks dominate so many sports. Look how polygynic evolution made Negroes more muscular and dinger-donged. It is a fact, and women now know this.

Also, in the past, society was more inhibited, and most women were not so brazen about their lusts. Now, it’s all out in the open with the pornification of mainstream culture itself. Today’s music culture for teens would have been considered porny in the 60s. Today, a white wife of a white man is likely to say, “I wanna bang a Negro.”

Slut culture is dangerous to white males cuz white males will lose to black males.
Slut culture is vile in and of itself, but it is particular dangerous to white males because of racial differences that favor Negro males.
Suppose white males were stronger and manlier than Negroes. Slut culture wouldn’t harm the status and confidence of white males. After all, white women(and all women) would look up to the honker as the toppermost male.
But the toppermost male in terms of athletic power, funky music, and dingdonginess is the Negro. Why is there the cuck phenomenon as reported even by Details magazine and Vice. Those are part of mainstream news and info. With Negroes having more kids and with increasing Negro immigration to both Europe and America, white males are doomed unless they make a lot of money.

Unless white males identify the problem and resist, they are all gonna get cucked.
They are a losing race. And this may also be why so many white males are feeling depressed and turning to drugs and suicide. They lost their women and manhood. This is gonna increase with the section-8 integration of society.

Look at the movie SPECTACULAR NOW. The white boy loses his girl to a bigass Negro. He is just a loser. When men lose their land and women, it’s game over. And white males are feeling this loss, but they cannot articulate it cuz they’re steeped in junky pop culture and brainwashed by PC that says, against their natural instinct, that they should celebrate their loss of women to Negro brutes.

I hate being proven right cuz my predictions are usually grim. But I proved to be right.
Back in 1994 when Republicans swept the Congress and made huge gains, so many Conservatives were feeling big and proud. I told my Conservative friends that none of this would matter. I had a HBD and demographic mindset back then, and stuff I said made many uncomfortable. And I was beginning to see what Jewish influence would do. Of course, I wasn’t the only one, but people like us were always silenced. But even among HBD community, there was little inclination to discuss physical and sexual matters. It was mostly IQ and more IQ, which totally missed the point of where this was really headed.

I also knew that the film JUNGLE FEVER was a real game-changer as it destroyed the more-or-less unexpressed taboo against interracial stuff in pop culture.

Now, we have Obama as president, we have white girls twerking to rap(as mainstream culture), we have section 8, we have EU being flooded with Negroes.

I see a very grim future for white males.

Its funny how dumb you actually are.

You don’t even have to leave this website to find evidence against “race” differences in things like IQ.

You are literally delusional to think that its been objectively proven that “races” are so “incredibly different”. Not even people like Rushton believed all of the averages he “researched about” it was genetic.

The problem is that you people are stupid and delusional. No matter how much you whine about “truth hurts” it does not make anything you say true.

The reason people call you idiots and morons, is because its true. You can’t even understand your own “evidence”.

Natural selection ends up being bogus because of the laws by what we know now as the nation /state apparatus and their mandatory directives to uphold a status quo based on picking “winners and losers. When you unnaturally follow this kind of priviledge enforced by legality, when it ends, stuff according to Nature, will definitely sort out and normalize the previous laws enforced by guile, decption and therefore, immoral in the first place.

Let’s face a truth, The “ding dongers? had always been as such. You enforce Prohibition but then you see the reality of “desire for more”, or you ban stuff like drugs then the Christina nation known as USA becomes the marketplace where supply and demand becomes the name of the Game.
Ban a thing and one will see an opposite effect. the ‘ding dongers’ are prohibited from congress with the rest of the citizenry then you have all kinda images swirling in the minds of both parties.

That is true Natural selection meaning there is no coersion in a symbiotic relationshop

“Race-realist is a redundancy”

Not when so many people, especially the politically and high culturally powerful, deny its very existence, all the while obsessing over it.

“Quantitatively literate”? Who came up with that abomination of a term? Couldn’t you just say “numerate”?

Who cares whether “white privilege” exists; communism isn’t valid just because some mill owner slapped his employee back in 1863. The rabidest white nationalists probably don’t deny its existence to some extent. Black privilege exists, too, which everyone knows without having to conduct purportedly controlled resume experiments. We outright admit it to ourselves, justifying it according to the Two Wrongs Make a Right principle.

But is that the subject at hand? No. In order for the existence of “white privilege” to disprove the biological existence of race, whites must have invented not only racial science and all the other races to oppress, but the white race itself, and that’s a whole lotta work. Certainly a slight edge in resume name approval wouldn’t approach demonstrating their job is done.

Thanks!

I think you’re likely to set a record for most posters who choose to “ignore” you.

I suppose I should tell you I don’t give a shit about this.

Perhaps the future is Idiocracy combined with Walking Dead, because a world full of stupid people cannot remotely support 7 billion human beings.

Perhaps the West follows the Idiocracy/Walking Dead path while the Chinese, always patient, try out depopulation then replacement of an entire continent in Africa, then move on to Phase 2 in the Americas and Europe because the peoples there will be too stupid to put up any significant resistance.

What I know, based on my background in biology that persuades me of the merits of the HBD crowd, is that white women who have babies with black men doom their children to be more stupid than had they chosen white men as fathers (unless those women are selecting men with lots of Igbo tribe ancestors.)

What I know is that unless Idiocracy is a documentary, any period of raised selection pressure will eventually favor intelligence, especially under a condition where technology is still around.

What I know is that the attributes you believe attract women (big genitalia, athleticism) are simply fads today, and it won’t be the stupid who inherit the Earth (except little 3 x 7′ plots of it.)

What I know is that I just don’t give a shit. My kids are borderline brilliant. They married very bright young women. My grandkids will be very bright (if you buy into HBD, and note that the last three generations of my ancestors were clearly borderline brilliant people, reversion to my ancestral mean should contribute high IQs and my wife’s family, too, is quite bright.)

My kids didn’t marry bimbos with big tits and tiny brains. Their kids will be taught to see clearly the value of wisdom and the folly of herd-following, brainless, fashion-obsessed, Jungle-Fever idiocy. Strong families are hereditary, and provide a foundation for crushing the competition no matter how far into lunacy goes the collective.

To the extent that this fad continues and ever more people produce kids reverting to a mean lower than their native one, my descendents will be as GODS among them.

The race doesn’t always go to the swiftest and sometimes the odds-makers don’t cast the contest, but I’m a big fan of the axiom that smart people are often lucky people, too.

White gals who decide that their new boots, or fancy new tattoo isn’t “edgy” enough to impress their girlfriends, so they hook up with some black hunk who’s hung like a horse but too stupid to pass the Army’s service entrance exam because it’s SOOOOOO HIP to F a black guy, well, folly has many paths in modern life…and people who insist on self-destruction almost always get their wish.

People mostly have no sense of historical context. They exhibit signals that they live in the Perpetual Now, and notwithstanding their quoting one source or another, live like there’s no past or future, only Present.

The “We are the World” tolerance (left-collectivist version) of today is an artifact of existing at this moment near the apogee of a 200 year “rally” in social mood, as measured by major stock market averages going back to the 1600’s (the London Stock Exchange.)

Everywhere I look I see evidence of a manic peak in “Extraordinary Popular Delusions” and endless flame wars defending the current “Madness of Crowds.”

This, too, will pass.

When it does, there is an EPIC amount of energy now stored in a reservoir of RAGE, experienced by people marginalized for simply being successful.

Women have been taught by feminists to use the family court system to TORMENT their ex-husbands. LGBT enthusiasts have been taught to use the legal system to extort and mercilessly beat anyone who doesn’t jump into lockstep with their deviant desires. Blacks have been taught to use the legal system to equalize outcomes to which they are not entitled, endlessly extorting settlements, raises, better jobs, promotions and gibsmedats. Browns are now leveraging the Left-collectivist political narrative to stream into the USA.

This is filling a vast reservoir of RAGE, damming it up with the tissue of political consent that itself is just a temporary product of historically unprecedented mass optimism.

What no one seems to grasp is that periods similar to this have occurred before, and in every single case conditions eventually changed and the pent-up RAGE smashed the illusions holding it back.

Watch the stock averages and bond yields. WHEN (not if, WHEN) they finally do roll over and deliver the normal, natural “correction” to this 50 year lurch into illusory wealth, funny money and rejection of natural laws, the collective tolerance for all this stupidity will wink out of existence and be replaced by the urge to rip others limb-from-limb just has occurred every other time this sort of thing happened.

Those who currently hold squatters’ rights to the Moral High Ground are likely to be shocked at the velocity and amplitude of the wave that is coming. I don’t relish the snap-back toward the mean (and we’ll surely overshoot in the other direction, an unpleasant prospect to be sure) but I do l0ok forward to experiencing some schadenfreude when those who presume to lecture me about my badthink reap what they have sown.

“What I know is that the attributes you believe attract women (big genitalia, athleticism) are simply fads today, and it won’t be the stupid who inherit the Earth (except little 3 x 7′ plots of it.)”

Hey hey hey, it’s Fad Albert!!!

Seriously, you got it backward. Actually, female lustiness for dongs and strongs is natural and eternal. But in many cultures, such was not the case because the Power of Culture suppressed or forbade such things.

In clothed cultures, women couldn’t see who had the bigger dong. Also, in a culturally and morally restrained society, women who loudly said “I want biggus dickus” would have been as a skank and witch-bitch ho and shunned from society.

So, the various forms of suppression of raw sexuality have been the fads throughout history. And these fads included both men and women. Consider some stupid fads like giant French aristo wigs. Or Chinese footbinding. That ugly fad lasted 1000 yrs. Some societies have women elongate their necks, ears, or lips. Those are not natural attractions but cultural distractions. In Japan, women shaved off eyebrows and blackened teeth. Yuck. And serious Muslim women use all kinds of veils.
Fad or customs without natural basis.

But if we remove culture, there is the Fact of Biology, and women like a man who is strong and big in dong(though there are limits). Likewise, men like women who are curvy and boobish(though, again, with limits as most men would find Dolly Parton too big for their tastes).

The Fact of Biology is asserting itself. Why has Rock and Rap been around for so long? They said it was just a fad. They have lasted because they appeal to something basic in human hormones: fighting and fuc*ing.

Is passion for sports just a fad? Will women who are into athletes today be into geeks tomorrow?

No.

You are confusing fact with fad. You’re living in a state of denial.

Negro is factually an existential threat to white male pride. And when white male pride goes, the white race will go since males without pride will not attract and keep women of their own race.
Look what happened to the natives of Latin America. They all got cucked out to the conquering white race. With massive invasion of EU and increasing black population in the US, white race is doomed unless they do something.

What are you talking about? Do you have any source that the gap will close? For instance the black white gap is around 80 percent genetic. Will that gap close with the perfect environment?

Thats because the actual truth hurts them… and also because most people here are delusional morons born from a deep self hatred. Eg: dc.sunsets.

This ‘fashion’ is based on real natural differences between the races. Look how blacks dominate so many sports. Look how polygynic evolution made Negroes more muscular and dinger-donged. It is a fact, and women now know this.

I try not to post comments here that would fit in at say AmRen, but I have to reply to this. You’re just around the bend. Assuming you were right, that negroes were bigger/stronger (despite mountains of evidence that whites have more upper body strength), that misses the 800# gorilla in the room. Literally. The Idris Elba is a severe outlier. The typical male negro looks 1/2 step removed from a chimpanzee. Their facial features are comically alien. I know zero white women who would consider mating with such a beast. Hollyweird show us negroes with far more euro facial features. Hollyweird may have found every such negro already.

Drive around (don’t bother getting out of the car) Detroit or Memphis or any other similar African village and look at the phenotype.

“…that misses the 800# gorilla in the room. Literally. The Idris Elba is a severe outlier. The typical male negro looks 1/2 step removed from a chimpanzee. Their facial features are comically alien. I know zero white women who would consider mating with such a beast. Hollyweird show us negroes with far more euro facial features. Hollyweird may have found every such negro already.”

True, there are white women who find blackness sort of ugly. And if indeed black males had those faces and flabby bodies and baby-carrot-dicks, I don’t see any woman going with them.

But the thing is the face matters less when it comes to masculinity. Of course, women do want men who look handsome in face, but ‘ugliness’ can be appealing in a man in a way that it is not in a woman. Take Charles Bronson and Anthony Quinn. They are not pretty like Alain Delon or Tom Cruise. But lots of women liked them cuz ‘they looked like a man’. It’s the ‘beauty and the beast’ thing.
So, black ‘ugliness’ could be appealing to many white women cuz it looks more beastly.
Consider Jake Lamotta vs Tony Janiro. Janiro was prettier, but Lamotta whupped his ass, and Vicky stayed with Lamotta.

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If there’s pretty boy white boxer and an ugly black boxer, and if the latter whups the former, will white groupies go with the pretty loser or ugly winner? I saw the documentary TYSON and there are photos of all these white women groupies of ugly Tyson. He may be ugly but he was a winner.

Or suppose a bunch of white college girls who hang around sports are feeling awful horny. Suppose pretty white boys don’t make the team while ‘ugly’ black boys do make the team and make the great plays. Which batch of boys will the white girls be putting out to? Younger girls tend to go for ‘cuteness’ and stuff, but when they come into full young womanhood, even ‘ugly’ winners attract them more than ‘pretty’ losers.
And it’s not just in muscle but in song and humor. Why did so many Jewish guys get white girls? Jews are funny, and women are disarmed by wit and laughter. Why else did Diane Keaton hang around ugly Woody Allen? And music makes women go nuts. It’s like what Eddie Murphy said about Mick Jagger:

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“Drive around (don’t bother getting out of the car) Detroit or Memphis or any other similar African village and look at the phenotype.”

Well yes. Educated white women are NOT going to go to Detroit to look for studs.
But look at the college scene. There are lots of white women who throw themselves at black males. Whoever hears of black males having trouble with women in colleges?
And so many African immigrant students in US and EU have no problem finding white women. And keep in mind that many whites are slipping down the economic pole and becoming like blacks. I drive around small towns, and it’s a common sight to see ‘white trash’ women with Negroes or mulatto babies. It see it all around.

And now consider the Section 8 policy that is gonna hit nationally.

The high school I attended in the 80s had 460 students in my class, and the entire number of blacks was around 5.
Today, the high school is over 10% black thanks to relocation of city blacks and arrival of African immigrants. Blacks dominate sports teams and conquer lots of white girls.
Things will only get worse for white males.

And most frightening of all, just look at the exploding population of Africa and look how utterly defenseless EU is against all this.
I see the writing on the Wall. Africanization of the West is almost a done deal in a 100 yrs.

“Drive around (don’t bother getting out of the car) Detroit or Memphis or any other similar African village and look at the phenotype.”

I live in Sub Sharan Africa and you are pretty wrong on the facial phenotypes. The ones who racists stereotype as the “typical negro” are not so common. In fact most of this “typical negro phenotype” stuff comes from vast over exaggeration and misrepresentation. Like that picture of two models where black one is pointing her head upwards and the white one not.

The race doesn’t always go to the swiftest and sometimes the odds-makers don’t cast the contest, but I’m a big fan of the axiom that smart people are often lucky people, too.

My only disagreement with anything you wrote is simply the scale of it. The bright are now, have always been, vastly outnumbered. If you look at the right tail of the bell curve, the number of folks 1SD and higher is a very small fraction of the total. And while it’s true that when things get bad there will again be selection pressure for intelligence, if it’s a 95:5 ratio they can withstand a whole lot of losses. As a heavily K population, we don’t have many kids and invest heavily in them. If there are say food riots, more intelligent people will survive relative to our total, but that matters little when the two smart people lost were both your (only) kids.

Your kids will be “gods” to the simpleton mobs – but how often do people murder their gods? Their foresight to stock up on food and meds will make them a target for predators. They may have bucked the liberal educational programming and armed themselves, but if it’s two or four even well armed, survival against a mob of a hundred is by no means assured. My smart and affluent friends are buying survival retreats in the country, planting gardens, raising livestock. But they’re not the razor wire topped walled fortresses the successful Central Americans live in today. And you do know those intelligent successful Central Americans live in fortified compounds

because they need to

right? And we are importing the cause of those fortifications by the millions.

So my point is that “smart” by no means assures survival. Smart, combined with ruthless and an over-abundance of preparedness, improves those odds depending on the degree. The smartest people I know have acquired property in uninhabited regions with docile populations and some have a backup of wind powered boat. But even then, one wonders, is such a life worth living? Is it really so impossible to fight for our survival now, to prevent this dystopian future?

The majority of women are interested in breeding with a man who is good provider, and that includes women who have good jobs themselves. This tendency is just as strong in countries like Brazil as it is in monoracial countries like Japan and Finland. Indeed, it is probably stronger in multi-racial countries since they tend to have weaker welfare states and higher levels of economic inequality. I don’t see many Brazilian supermodels marrying working class Black males.

Most modestly masculine men with good jobs have wives. The only group of White males in trouble are the marginal K strategists who have K strategy temperaments but are unable to be good providers for middle class women.

I live in Sub Sharan Africa and you are pretty wrong on the facial phenotypes

IF you live in Sub-Saharan Africa and IF you’re not a troll, then you know that Africa is comprised of many different tribes having different phenotypes. I am from Detroit originally, a city which is today around 90%+ negro. The negroes brought to America during the century and a half or so that they were imported en masse, came primarily from west and central African tribes mainly Bantu and Bantoid. And these are substantially different and more alien/primitive than the Afro-asiatic or Nilotic tribes.

Irrespective of this, however, I’ve never met or spoken with a white female who found any negroes sexually attractive. Granted this may be because I’m a very imposing alpha type in person and also that I have zero interest in things that commonly interest negroes or their admirers. Those very few males I’ve met who were attracted to negro females struck me as either extreme beta or mentally ill (before I knew of their preference for the negress).

So this whole conversation strikes me as a bit absurd. Any white female who would prefer a “50 Cent” to a “Kid Rock” or a Idris Elba to a Brad Pitt has some mental issues that cause me to think we are better served without her in our gene pool anyway. Whenever I see the newspaper photo of one of the many white women murdered by her pet negro, it’s fairly obvious the female was defective (obese, crazy looking, etc) with the only exceptions being the whores (i.e. Nicole Simpson). There are ample reasons to think negroes incompatible with white Western societies without fretting about losing the defective white females who might mate with them.

True, there are white women who find blackness sort of ugly

The overwhelming majority of white women find negroes ugly. And it’s not just the pigmentation, but the entirety from body shape and proportion to cranial shape to facial features and fur (not to mention the distinct smell). No amount of 1,000 word comments from you will change the data from online dating services showing that white women do not respond to negroes and that white males are overwhelmingly preferred.

Some white women will mate with a negro. But then some will mate with a German Shepard or with a donkey. As any woman will be first to tell you, some women are just disgusting whores. Basing one’s political or social views on the behavior of the defective bottom 5 or 10% is misguided. This is the sort of thing that would work itself out as the women are infected by the negroes’ STDs or murdered by them.

Your obsession with this issue strikes me as something deeply personal rather than objective. It’s like reading Eliot Rodger’s manifesto frankly.

Heck people will kill other humans(including their own race) to save entirely different species like dogs, rhinos, elephants, even cats. I certainly will, and someone being a racist makes it much easier to justify.

Actually, hardly anyone would actually kill their own race to save cats. People will put fines and even jail time for extreme abuse, but even PETA doesn’t recommend killing off entires races of people to save possums.

You may just be exposing your own lack of normal warm feeling toward humanity in general and your race in particular.

The first thing you need to do is learn to read and then understand what has been written. I never said killing off entire “races”, I never said that its common, I simply said that humans will kill other humans regardless of race just to save an animal which is fact. Please don’t replay to me if you can’t even understand context, I bet you did not even read the damn exchange.

Also I totally reject the concept/idea of race and do not care for any “race”, but I specifically have something against racists, because they are trying to impose said categories onto me.

I have plenty warm feelings for many humans and almost all animals, but absolute hatred towards racists, I’m not here to play by your dumb little rules.

Heck people will kill other humans(including their own race) to save entirely different species like dogs, rhinos, elephants, even cats.

The real Hitler was an eco-freak too.

You are living in denial. I mean I see signs all around.

Back in the 80s, it was rare to see a well-educated white woman with a Negro. Now, it’s such a common sight at clubs, beaches, schools, etc.

Also, marriage is dead. Most sex happens outside marriage.

“The majority of women are interested in breeding with a man who is good provider, and that includes women who have good jobs themselves.”

That used to be the case, but look at the explosion of single moms, even in the white community.

We see rapid rise of single-momming even in the Asian community in the US.

Trends do not favor traditional marriage.

Besides, the State is now the provider for these women.

Iceland has well over 60% births out of wedlock lol.

“…with the only exceptions being the whores (i.e. Nicole Simpson).”

I’m a trial junkie and have read everything about the Simpson story. Nicole’s “best friend,” Faye Resnick, produced a quickie book just before the trial. Jeffrey Toobin wrote that Resnick “presented Nicole as a brainless, sex-obsessed young woman whose banality was exceeded only by that of her ex-husband.”

Nicole. according to Resnick and another book by Sheila Weller, craved black men. She was having an affair with Marcus Allen, which enraged Simpson and contributed to what happened.

Nicole took up with Simpson in 1977 even though he was still married to his first (black) wife. Furthermore, her parents received jobs in the Hertz corporation. When they divorced, Simpson took them away and Nicole’s parents demanded she go back to him.

And Nicole liked O.J.’s money and living off of him. Every time they broke up, Nicole would go back to him. The cycle continued until Simpson killed her.

I’m a race realist. What does that mean?

Lemme guess: it means marrying outside your race and breeding mixed-race children?

This seems to prove it http://www.cbsnews.com/news/imported-from-india/

“They are favored over almost anybody else. If you’re a WASP walking in for a job, you wouldn’t have as much pre-assigned credibility as you do if you’re an engineer from IIT,”

It can almost be done. You have to really, really cool it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose%E2%80%93Einstein_condensate

dcSunsets–

“Their kids will be taught to see clearly the value of wisdom and the folly of herd-following, brainless, fashion-obsessed, Jungle-Fever idiocy.”

You have certainly powerpacked every known generalization into one sentence. Bravo.

“When it does, there is an EPIC amount of energy now stored in a reservoir of RAGE, experienced by people marginalized for simply being successful.”

I thought that the New World Order, led by “elites”, has run roughshod over “whites”, who lack the gumption and guile to do anything to stop their machinations.

“What I know, based on my background in biology that persuades me of the merits of the HBD crowd, is that white women who have babies with black men doom their children to be more stupid than had they chosen white men as fathers.”

That’s not necessarily true. Regardless of race, a “stupid” woman will likely marry a “stupid” man. Besides, do not people have the liberty to marry and procreate with whomever they choose?my descendents will be as GODS among them.

I don’t know why you people bother so much.

They are going to close all the gaps that make any worth while difference regardless of how much of it is genetic, because the will is there and its very easy to do it.

Blacks want higher average IQ and they can get it simply by whipping their dicks out and pointing it at the nearest nerd. Theres no need for selection, all the dumb people can do as they please and as usual only difference is more nerdy babies than usual. You can barely call it eugenics.

Its not anywhere as big a deal as you want it to be, they still have not proven even 1% of the genetic difference. Zero actually.

What do you people think is going to happen? That after all this counter evidence that the AVERAGE gap even if it exists will be anywhere as big as what Rushton “theorized it is”. Come on, pull you heads out your asses. You need to wake the hell up.

The state is bankrupt. If you think this feminized welfare state is sustainable you’re too Present oriented to sustain a credible dialog.

You must lack experience. That gap is huge even among managerial employees of Johnson & Johnson, a firm wherein I have ample history. Affirmative Action is open evidence that without continuous favoritism blacks fall by the wayside even among those sporting college degrees, even MBA’s.

“But once society made way for sexual equality, women proved that they are just as or almost as good as men in most fields. So, a lot of areas that used to be masculine has been neutered. Woman doctor is just as good as a male doctor.
But one area in which women have been unable to be equal with men is in the physical realm. . . .”

Priss, do you really believe this? I’m actually surprised you’d be such a feminist. Do you really believe there are female philosophers equal to the canonical male ones? Arendt? Ayn Rand? Sontag? C’mon. Even with your valorization of the Jewish Intellect, I can hardly think you would go in for that kind of grade inflation.

Clearly, most of the time a “woman doctor” is not as good as a male doctor. And clearly, too, I don’t think most white women– heck, even the miscegenating ones– go in for (what was that again?) jive-ass funky booty shaking in their menfolk. This is a curious point to say the least.

Honestly, if your detractors are correct that you’re some sort of Ukrainian drag queen, I’m not holding it against you. You have a brilliant, if sometimes alarmingly original, mind. But your insistence upon universalizing this race-cuckold thing as a global female desire really is a tad nuts.

And after all, surely you of all people realize that a half-black planet would still starve to death as soon as all the non-blacks weren’t around to feed them. There are no mulatto geniuses. Most mixed people are helpless.

btw, I loved that riff about the Mel Gibson “The Passion of Emma” stuff. Very clever and funny, esp. the almost Dali-esque bit about the chorus of angels. Reminds me of that “auto-sodomized” piece Camille Paglia references in the introduction to Glittering Images.

I live in South Africa. I grew up with blacks and I am almost certain there is no gap at all and its 100% environment.

You have no clue what experience is bub.

I’m left with the inescapable conclusion that where you’re at, the comparison standard is lacking.

Lol, conclusions made by delusional, broken morons such as yourself don’t really matter, especially in this context.

Equality of opportunity is an ideal worth working toward. Equality of outcomes is just retarded. You shouldn’t have to work so hard to make the point that racial difference is not limited to skin color. Neither should you conclude that nature wins and nurture looses. Race is real and so is racism. The later is not justified by genetics.

I googled magic dirt. It’s an Australian rock band.

Some of the best regarded plastic surgeons and dentists who do “special” things, in the metro area, are women. As far as race, they are about 50/50, white/some sort of Asian. No surprise since that’s such a priority for women, and these specialties are not things you can easily fudge. I don’t know any black doctors, but I had a black female dentist who was very good.

All that said, I knew a top female allergy doctor, and she was so strictly big-pharma she was worse than a lot of male doctors. Chinese herbs proved to be more effective.
Clearly no woman doctor would ever be good enough for you. And that’s A-ok.
When it comes to long term, systemic complaints, doctors are over-rated period.

Thank you for this fine column about the triumph of belief. The PC crowd are intellectual peers with the Evangelical anti-Evolutionists. That the Darwinian rules of Evolution are either plum wrong. Or simply just don’t apply to humans. The stupid medieval notion that there is the lesser, biological man with the ability to also have free will to transcend the lower man is just to much hard work. Therefore we now believe that all problems are the result of culture. And this can rectified by social engineering. PC is based upon this belief. As was Marxism (Remember Stalin fostered the belief in a Lemarkian biology).
But Darwinists have believed that Culture is an evolutionary environment. Which as what you are really referring to to.
Let me put these together in an addition to your thesis.
BLACKS HAVE THEIR OWN CULTURE TAKEN WITH THEM FROM AFRICA. From what I observe, many Afro-Americans are very happy within their own culture. Unfortunately that culture is not that well oriented so as to be able to have its members succeed in the current economic culture. Nor are Native Americans cut off from the main stream of Eurasian evolution some 20K years ago. No according to the recent Deaton/Case study, are a certain group of White Males.

But Mr. Derbyshire, there is the flip side of your anti-PC argument.
What do you want to do with these genetically “left-behind” groups. The age-old answer was to kill all the men and impregnate all the women. As it now seems the waves of migrations into Europe left little traces of earlier populations so Europeans invaders did this This was done in Eurasia, in the Bantu expansion and the New World.
Shall we revert from Christianity and have a final solution?
Do you want to set up Reservations for African Americans and now poor whites
( allowing conquered folk to live at the margins).
One child policy plus a little for those “more equal”? Etc.
Distopian Si-Fi writers have pondered many such scenarios. Obviously this is no longer Sci-Fi.
If not PC then what Mr. Derbyshire?

Just saw a reference to ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ on another website and immediately thought of this. That must be the ‘bible’ of the ‘magic dirt’ cult.

You’re either a self-hating race-denying libtard, not uncommon amongst whites at all. Or more likely, a dumb negroe with a chip on his shoulder, also extremely common.

In either case, you’re as cliché as they come. ROFL

How could the races be exactly the same? That’s the question here, given that it’s what liberals devoutly believe. There’s no way the races could be identical, given that amount of time they’ve spent cut off from each other. Genetic drift guarantees that they’re different.