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It is journalistic malpractice for the media to still be repeating so credulously the Israeli military’s account of that day

The BBC’s Lucy Williamson was taken once again this week to view the terrible destruction at a kibbutz community just outside Gaza attacked on October 7. As we have been shown so many times before, the Israeli homes were riddled with automatic fire, both inside and out. Sections of concrete wall had holes in them, or had collapsed entirely. And parts of the buildings that were still standing were deeply charred. It looked like a small snapshot of the current horrors in Gaza.

There is a possible reason for those similarities – one that the BBC is studiously failing to report, despite mounting evidence from a variety of sources, including the Israeli media. Instead the BBC is sticking resolutely to a narrative crafted for them, and the rest of the western media, by the Israeli military: that Hamas alone caused all this destruction.

Simply repeating that narrative without any caveats has by now reached the level of journalistic malpractice. And yet that is precisely what the BBC does night after night.

Just a cursory look at the wreckage in the various kibbutz communities that were attacked that day should raise questions in the mind of any good reporter. Were Palestinian militants in a position to actually inflict physical damage to that degree and extent with the kind of light weapons they carried?

And if not, who else was in a position to wreak such havoc other than Israel?

A separate question that good journalists ought to be asking is this: What was the purpose of such damage? What did the Palestinian militants hope to achieve by it?

The implicit answer the media is supplying is also the answer the Israeli military wants western publics to hear: that Hamas engaged in an orgy of gratuitious killing and savagery because … well, let’s say the quiet part out loud: because Palestinians are inherently savage.

With that as the implicit narrative, western politicians have been handed a licence to cheerlead Israel as it murders a Palestinian child in Gaza every few minutes. Savages only understand the language of savagery, after all.

Brutal tango

For this reason alone, any journalist who wishes to avoid colluding in the genocide unfolding in Gaza ought to be increasingly wary of simply repeating the Israeli military’s claims about what happened on October 7. Certainly, they should not credulously regurgitate the latest agitprop from the IDF press office, as the BBC is so evidently doing.

What we know from a growing body of evidence gleaned from the Israeli media and Israeli eyewitnesses – carefully laid out, for example, in this report from Max Blumenthal – is that the Israeli military was completely blindsided by that day’s events. Heavy artillery, including tanks and attack helicopters, was called in to deal with Hamas. That appears to have been a straightforward decision in regard to the military bases Hamas had overrun.

Israel has a long-standing policy of seeking to prevent Israeli soldiers from being taken captive – chiefly, because of the high price Israeli society insists on paying to ensure soldiers are returned. For decades, the military’s so-called “Hannibal procedure” has directed Israeli troops to kill fellow soldiers rather than allow them to be taken captive. For the same reason, Hamas expends a great deal of energy in trying to find innovative ways to seize soldiers.

The two sides are essentially engaged in a brutal tango in which each understands the other’s dance moves.

Given Hamas’ situation, effectively managing the Israeli-controlled concentration camp of Gaza, it has limited resistance strategies available to it. Capturing Israeli soldiers maximises its leverage. They can be traded for the release of many of the thousands of Palestinian political prisoners held in jails inside Israel, in breach of international law. In addition, in the negotiations, Hamas usually hopes to win an easing of Israel’s 16-year siege of Gaza.

To avert this scenario, Israeli commanders reportedly called in the attack helicopters on the military bases overwhelmed by Hamas on October 7. The helicopters appear to have fired indiscriminately, despite the risk posed to the Israeli soldiers in the base who were still alive. Israel’s was a scorched-earth policy to stop Hamas achieving its aims. That may, in part, explain the very large proportion of Israeli soldiers among the 1,300 killed that day.

Charred bodies

But what about the situation in the kibbutz communities? By the time the army arrived and was in position, Hamas was well dug in. It had taken the inhabitants as hostages inside their own homes. Israeli eyewitness testimony and media reports suggest Hamas was almost certainly trying to negotiate safe passage back into Gaza, using the Israeli civilians as human shields. The civilians were the Hamas fighters’ only ticket out, and they could be converted later into bargaining chips for the release of Palestinian prisoners.

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The evidence – from Israeli meda reports and eyewitnesses, as well as a host of visual clues from the crime scene itself – tell a far more complex story than the one presented nightly on the BBC.

Did the Israeli military fire into the Hamas-controlled civilian homes in the same fashion as it had fired into its own military bases, and with the same disregard for the safety of Israelis inside? Was the goal in each case to prevent at all costs Hamas taking hostages whose release would require a very high price from Israel?

Kibbutz Be’eri has been a favoured destination for BBC reporters keen to illustrate Hamas’ barbarity. It is where Lucy Williamson headed again this week. And yet none of her reporting highlighted comments made to the Israeli Haaretz newspaper by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator. He said Israeli military commanders had ordered the “shelling [of] houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages”.

That echoed the testimony of Yasmin Porat, who sought shelter in Be’eri from the nearby Nova music festival. She told Israeli Radio that once Israeli special forces arrived: “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages because there was very, very heavy crossfire.”

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Are the images of charred bodies presented by Williamson, accompanied by a warning of their graphic, upsetting nature, incontrovertible proof that Hamas behaved like monsters, bent on the most twisted kind of vengeance? Or might those blackened remains be evidence that Israeli civilians and Hamas fighters burned alongside each other, after they were engulfed in flames caused by Israeli shelling of the houses?

Israel will not agree to an independent investigation so a definitive answer will never be forthcoming. But that does not absolve the media of their professional and moral duty to be cautious.

‘Hamas as savages’

Consider for a moment the stark contrast in the western media’s treatment of events on October 7 and its treatment of the strike on the car park at Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in northern Gaza on October 17, in which hundreds of Palestinians were reported killed.

In the case of Al-Ahli, the media were only too ready to cast aside all the evidence that the hospital had been hit by an Israeli strike immediately Israel contested the claim. Instead journalists hurriedly amplified Israel’s counter-allegation that a Palestinian rocket had fallen on the hospital. Most of the media moved on after concluding “The truth may never be clear”, or even less credibly, that Palestinian militants were the most likely culprits.

In telling contrast, the western media have not been willing to raise even a single question about what happened on October 7. They have enthusiastically attributed every horror that day to Hamas. They have ignored the reality of utter chaos that reigned for many hours and the potential for poor, desperate and morally dubious decision-making by the Israeli military.

In fact, the media have gone much further. In advancing the narrative of “Hamas as savages”, they have promoted obvious fictions, such as the story that “Hamas beheaded 40 babies”. That piece of fake news was even taken up briefly by US President Joe Biden, before it was quietly walked back by his officials.

Similarly, it is still a popular throwaway line among the western commentariat that “Hamas carried out rapes”, though once again the allegation is evidence-free so far.

We should be clear. If Israel had serious evidence for either of these claims, it would be aggressively promoting it. Instead, it is doing the next best thing: letting innuendo gently sink into the audience’s subconscious, settling there as a prejudice that cannot be interrogated.

Hamas undoubtedly committed war crimes on October 7 – not least, by taking civilians as human shields. But that kind of crime is one we are familiar with, one “ordinary” enough that the Israel military has been regularly documented carrying it out too. The practice of Israeli soldiers taking Palestinians as human shields goes under various names, such as the “neighbour procedure” and the “early warning procedure”.

Worse atrocities may have happened too, especially given the unexpected scale of Hamas’ success in breaking out of Gaza. Large numbers of Palestinians escaped the enclave, some of them doubtless armed civilians with no connection to the operation. In such circumstances, it would be surprising if there were no examples of the headline-grabbing atrocities being committed.

The issue is whether such atrocities were planned and systematic, as Israel claims and the western media repeats, or examples of rogue actions by individuals or groups. If the latter, Israel would be in no position to judge. Israel’s own history is littered with examples of such crimes, including the documented case of an Israeli army unit taking captive a Bedouin girl in 1949 and repeatedly gang-raping her.

Savagery would certainly not be a uniquely Hamas trait. Following the October 7 attack, videos have been emerging of systematic abuses of any Hamas fighters captured, whether alive or dead. Images show them being beaten and tortured in public for the gratification of onlookers, when there is clearly not even the pretence of information gathering. Others show the bodies of Hamas fighters being defiled and mutilated.

No one can claim the moral high ground here.

What the media’s uncritical promotion of Israel’s “Hamas as savages” narrative has achieved is something sinister – and all too familiar from the West’s long colonial history. It has been used to demonise a whole people, presenting them either as barbarians or as the willing protectors and enablers of barbarism.

The “savages” narrative is being weaponised by Israel to justify its mounting campaign of atrocities in Gaza. Which is why it is so important that journalists don’t simply allow themselves to be spoonfed. Far too much is at stake.

Hamas committed war crimes on October 7 on a scale that is unprecedented for any Palestinian group. But there is little more than Israeli narrative spin so far to suggest that there was an unparalleled depravity to Hamas’ actions. Certainly from what we know, it is hard to see that anything Hamas did that day was worse, or more savage, than what Israel has been doing daily in Gaza for weeks.

And Israel’s actions – from bombing Palestinian families to starving them of food and water – has the blessing of every major western politician.

(Republished from Jonathan Cook by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: BBC, Gaza, Hamas, Israel/Palestine 
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  1. Che Guava says:

    Nobody believes anything from the B.B.C., for many years now.

    Alistair Campbell?

    B.B.C. swallowed it whole.

    You would never acknowledge the B.B.C.’s or Grauniad’s constant lies about the real situation in the land of your birth, which I once thought would be nice to visit some time, no way now. Too dangerous, too expensive, too many brutes in too many places.

    Switching to third person, since Captain Cook never replies here.

    Cook’s remarks on the Gaza-Israel incident are worth reading, but even from lines in this one, he’ll clearly never be rid of his inner Grauniadista, really not much distance between Grauniad and B.B.C. as for blatant lies.

    Cook has become somewhat good on Palestine-Israel, remains a brain-dead western neo-leftist on everything else.

    • Agree: Madbadger
  2. Hetro says:

    “Savages only understand the language of savages, after all.” No, I reject C Guava’s flippancy and point to this phrasing, the essence of the problem. It takes so long to lay out the case that the savagery of Oct 7 has not yet been sorted out clearly that the crucial, hidden truth of the West’s complicity in this savagery is diminished, the impact of words lessened. Had the IDF tossed babies in the air to celebrate catching them on the points of bayonets while laughing and celebrating we might come close to the impact of understanding this “language of savages” that is being self-righteously used, according to the enraged and sadistic response we have been seeing from justifications for the genocide. We are seeing all this response without even knowing–knowing with certainty–what happened on October 7. Or we might use what I call the “piano wire test.” Should we go ahead with this technique as part of the answer to this “savagery”? That is, recalling Hitler’s favorite manner of venting his rage against those who took a different view to his and threatened him, and add in meat hooks as apparently symbolically aesthetic as part of it. Should we haul up our enemies with piano wire around their throats? This is what the West–the BBC, Bobby Kennedy, et al–are doing with this sadistic “Israel has a right to self-defense” business etc. etc. As Dostoevsky pointed out to us long ago humans are beasts, and this feature of our grace is on full display at the moment to include how we rationalize and enjoy our cruelty.

    • Agree: Justrambling
    • Replies: @One Nobody
    , @Che Guava
  3. J says:

    So you are saying that we did it to ourselves, we killed our own soldiers and our own people in the kibbutzim? Fortunately those Hamas criminals were so proud of their evil doings that the filmed themselves and published it on the media to the whole world to see and be horrified. That poor Jewish baby did not crawl by himself to the oven and did not turn it to maximum heat. The HAMAS “freedom fighters” did it and documented it.

  4. Notsofast says:

    they don’t just want to portray them as savages, they want to portray them as terrorists. remember ever since 9/11, we declared war on terrorism, besides being a stupid meaningless jingoistic phrase, it also means there are no rules, only rules based orders. the constitution no longer applies, international laws no longer apply, the geneva conventions are “quaint”, and palestinians become “amalek”. if they were savages, they would have protection as indigenous people, terrorists need to be eradicated, you’re either with us or the terrorists. see the way that works? well it works until it doesn’t work, we may be there now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  5. Smarby says:

    Simply repeating that narrative without any caveats has by now reached the level of journalistic malpractice

    That’s only if you assume the purpose of journalists is to properly inform people. If you work from the logic of Manufacturing Consent, repeating wrote narratives devoid of nuance or objectivity is standard journalistic practice.

    • Agree: Passing by, rgl
  6. Well… the BBC, being the Crown’s foul mouthpiece, must never concede that all this is due, at its inception, completely to British intransigence, and the usual kowtowing to the Rothschild, without which there would not be a British Crown today, literally.

    Also: the Crown never apologises, not for anything.

    • Agree: ld
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  7. pyrrhus says:

    Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard has confirmed that the attack was a green flag, with a 6 hour stand down
    order from Bibi…https://voxday.net/2023/11/02/green-flag-confirmed/

  8. Wokechoke says:
    @Che Guava

    The villages are good. Lots of yanks there too.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  9. Wokechoke says:
    @J

    Friendly fire is a probability.

    • Replies: @J
  10. lloyd says: • Website

    Favourite World War Two stories are break outs from prisons and camps. Any deceit or killing goes there. Gaza is a prison illegal under international law and Israel declares its conflict with Gaza a war. Holocaust stories boast of ex concentration camp prisoners going on rampage in German areas and raping the frauleins. As far as I can see, it is Gaza that is abiding by international law of feeding and sheltering prisoners and not gratuitously ill treating civilians. I said Gaza not Hamas because the Government of Gaza is made up of an alliance of Islamic groups. The break out would make a great movie. Perhaps the Turks could make it.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  11. Z-man says:

    The UK and its mouthpiece, the BBC, are owned by Big Jew, aka the Rothschilds and all their descendents.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow, JR Foley, ld
    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  12. @pyrrhus

    Way too CT and melodramatic to be true. and if remotely true, theres going to be a colonels coup against Netanyahu Likud and the generals there.

    Pollard is one of their diehard spy martyrs. hes not going to stab Netanyahu and the establishment in the back, he would be killed for that disloyalty.

  13. @J

    The HAMAS “freedom fighters” did it and documented it.

    One thing you can say about the pissant state is that it has – in some fields – some advanced technical abilities.

    Mr. Cook mentions that “Israel will not agree to an independent investigation” of the killings, and I’ll wager the originals of those “Hamas Films” won’t be released for careful examination by neutrals, either. Their production may have been quite a rushed job.

    It takes a few dollars and 8 minutes to create a deepfake. And that’s only the start
    https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165146797/it-takes-a-few-dollars-and-8-minutes-to-create-a-deepfake-and-thats-only-the-sta

    Heck, the superb detectives of the shithole state may yet discover videos of a Hamas guy hard at work beheading babies – all the while gloating about it for the enlightenment of his horrified audiences around the world.

    • Agree: son of a jedi
  14. CozyFall says:
    @J

    Where is this documentation?

  15. Pastit says:

    The BBC is garbage. Has been for decades. Nothing they report steers from the narrative. The Jews are committing war crimes and the BBC whines about a Jew house being destroyed-probably by friendly fire- while Gaza is fire bombed and innocents murdered. This must end and Israel must be destroyed for world peace to rule.

    • Agree: ld, Justrambling
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  16. A people with self-respect will respect others with self-respect.

    Anglos are toadies to Jews and utterly lack self-respect. It’s no wonder they hate any people who still have self-respect and refuse to cuck to Zion. Such people with self-respect make Anglos look pathetic by comparison.

    Just look at the EU club. It’s all these nations without self-respect banding together. It’s therapeutic because none shames the other as ALL of them lack self-respect.
    But they HATE Russia, Iran, and increasingly China as nations with self-respect. The self-respect of those nations reflects badly on EU nations’ pathetic cuckery to the US that, in turn, cucks to the Empire of Zion.

    Self-respect is the foundation of all good things. Without it, it’s one-way street to self-debasement.

    Palestinians, despite all the horrors they face, have self-respect. Thus, they are morally richer than the prosperous cucks of the West who timidly do the bidding of Zion like sorry little dogs. It’s no wonder white people hate Palestinians so much.

    • Agree: Glory2god, Kiers
    • Thanks: Justrambling
    • Replies: @Ex-white
  17. @J

    The picture of that burnt “poor Jewish baby” has been debunked as a fake. And yes, you did most of the killing of civilians. Hamas had a plan, taking hostages alive because dead, they are worthless. Granted it’s not a legal thing to do but given their enemies’ constant behaviour, they can claim mitigating circumstances. They just overlooked the fact that Jews see life as a zero-sum game and would rather see fellow Jews dead than bargain over their lives.

  18. Hamas committed war crimes on October 7 on a scale that is unprecedented for any Palestinian group.

    The only war crime Hamas committed was to take civilian hostages and it definitely isn’t unprecedented for any Palestinian group. They hijacked a few planes in the past b/c taking hostages really is the only way they have to make the world pay attention.

    • Replies: @Mactoul
  19. ghali says:

    Here is Cook at it again with his pro-Israel barbaric and biased journalism. Cook has the gall to call HAMAS legitimate attacks against Israeli Fascists war crimes . Cook will urinate in his pants (like all British journalists) before he dares to rightly accuse Israel of war crimes against the Palestinians. For Cook and his Western shill journalists 9000 murdered Palestinians, including 4000 children murdered by Israel is not war crimes. Cook and his British ilk should be prosecuted for complicity in Israel’s war crimes against the Palestinians..

    • Agree: Justrambling
    • Replies: @Annony
  20. @J

    “So you are saying that we did it to ourselves, we killed our own soldiers and our own people in the kibbutzim?”

    That’s exactly what it being said.

    Your naïveté is nauseating.

    • Agree: Zane
  21. What do we know what actually happened? Not a damn thing. We know everything the BBC and Netanyahu says are damn lies. The entire MSM is nothing but damn liars reading a script:

    Video Link

    Hamas attack? Hang gliders? Body cam footage? It all looked like a Hollywood movie. You are to believe Hamas flew hang gliders over the fence and not one Israeli shot at them. Yeah right.

    Hostages? Really? How many? Who? Why is Netanyahu unwilling to negotiate on hostages? Smells fishy, are there really any hostages? Think so? Prove it!

    Israel did 911, a MIHOP. How do we know this isn’t a MIHOP also? We don’t because we don’t know who is telling the truth, if anyone. ZOG claimed the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Didn’t happen.

    Netanyahu said Hamas chopped 40 baby Jew heads off, that was a lie. 40 is a magic number in the Bible. That proves he is reading from a script.

    So believe what you want, I am not even convinced there was any Hamas attack. The reason is because I have no real evidence that anything like what they say happened, all I saw was images on my computer screen. That proves nothing. All I heard was MSM spouting the narrative, that proves nothing. I listened to testimonies, proves nothing.

    The truth is I know nothing about what really happened, and neither do you.

    • Thanks: Zane
  22. @pyrrhus

    Can Jonathan Pollard, worst spy in US history, be trusted? I think not. He is big guns they pulled out of the closet in support of a narrative.

    Is there any real proof of a Hamas attack? Was this another Gulf of Tonkin, merely a claim of a attack?

    “American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression”, announced a Washington Post headline on Aug. 5, 1964.

    That same day, the front page of the New York Times reported: “President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action against gunboats and ‘certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam’ after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin.”

    But there was no “second attack” by North Vietnam — no “renewed attacks against American destroyers.” By reporting official claims as absolute truths, American journalism opened the floodgates for the bloody Vietnam War.

    A pattern took hold: continuous government lies passed on by pliant mass media…leading to over 50,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.

    What can you believe? Nothing. Moon landing, that was real, right?

    That’s One Small Step For Man, One Giant Leap For….
    https://odysee.com/@ARGONAUT:d/VID_20230104_080105_931:f

    The Uranium Hoax that Triggered the Iraq War

    The main argument former President George W. Bush used to justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a claim that Saddam Hussein was ramping up his nuclear weapons program – an accusation based on forged documents promoted in the president’s State of the Union address in January 2003, two months before the start of the war.

    The allegation was largely based on forged documents claiming Iraq tried to purchase 500 tons of yellowcake uranium powder from Niger, a country in North Africa, which could be enriched and used in nuclear weapons. But who forged the documents and why weren’t they immediately dismissed as fake?

    Mohamed ElBaradei, then head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the UN Security Council that his staff and independent experts concluded within hours that the documents were forged. They were printed, after all, on obsolete Iraqi and Niger letterheads citing officials who were no longer in power at agencies that had been disbanded. One letter, dated October 10, 2000, was reportedly signed with the name of Allele Habibou, a Niger Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation, who left office in 1989.

    “It was not really very difficult for us to come to the quick conclusion that these documents were forgeries,” ElBaradei said at the time.

    And yet, an estimated 100,000 lives were lost in Iraq – some even put the death toll as high as 1m – because the US government was either unable or unwilling to accept that the Niger documents were a hoax.

    • Agree: werpor
  23. Jews like to fund both sides of wars they’re not directly involved in. When jews are directly involved in a war, they like to do most of the killing on both sides, and they’ve a particular fondness for killing civilians. It’s almost as though jews are the most savage and bestial people of all.

    And Western media are entirely happy to support all the grotesque savagery Israelis are wreaking on Palestinian civilians by saying the Palestinians did it.

    It’s truly sickening, all of it.

  24. @Xander Pendable

    With every word your malice or ignorance has wasted space and UR readers’ time.

    • Troll: AB_Anonymous
  25. JimmyS says:

    It is unbelievable to think they once produced and aired programs such as this https://archive.org/details/IsraelsSecretWeapon

  26. @lloyd

    A new Valley of the Wolves with Turkish agents leading the Gaza breakout.

  27. Certainly from what we know, it is hard to see that anything Hamas did that day was worse, or more savage, than what Israel has been doing daily in Gaza for weeks.

    You misspelled decades.

    And Israel’s actions – from bombing Palestinian families to starving them of food and water – has the blessing of every major western politician.

    And especially, the blessing of every major western media outlet.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/post-ai-doesnt-watch-enough-tv-commercials/#comment-6242196

  28. meamjojo says:

    Puh-leeze. Almost every BBC News talking head subtly editorializes on the side of the Gazans, whining about killing of civilians, repeatedly asking why civilians need to be killed when they keep getting told that Hamas is using civilians as shields.

    If you don’t want to be a shield for Hamas, then you need to leave the area.

    If GAZAN fools choose to stay where active warfare is occurring, then they will suffer the consequences of making that choice.

    • Disagree: Badger Down
    • Troll: Lurker
  29. @pyrrhus

    Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard has confirmed that the attack was a green flag, with a 6 hour stand down
    order from Bibi…https://voxday.net/2023/11/02/green-flag-confirmed/

    Not again from a confirmed traitor with dual loyalty. LOL, sure he a real honest person on this earth.

    Haha,

    Mohamed

  30. Percival2 says:

    Here’s an argument for the IDF’s response to Hamas’ incursion on October 7th which is actually sympathetic to the Israeli point of view, and which for some reason even the Jews aren’t using: it wasn’t just the hostages that were at stake but the possibility of Hamas insurgents making their way even deeper into Israeli territory and causing even greater chaos. The swift and overwhelming military response was partly to prevent that eventuality. What if Israel had employed a more cautious approach designed to spare the hostages? It might have allowed Hamas to gain a foothold which ultimately would have caused far greater bloodshed.

  31. Tom Welsh says:

    “Or might those blackened remains be evidence that Israeli civilians and Hamas fighters burned alongside each other, after they were engulfed in flames caused by Israeli shelling of the houses?”

    The argument that Hamas lacked the firepower or even the weapons to cause such destruction is compelling.

    But surely if the dead bodies of Hamas fighters were found in the burned-out buildings, that must be proof that Hamas did not destroy those buildings.

    It’s hard for Western civilians, with no experience of war and no knowledge of Israeli attitudes toward Gentiles, to understand how readily the Israelis would resort to such tactics. Right from the first days of Zionism, the movement was marked by astonishing callousness and cynical brutality. To the Zionists, the ends always seem to justify the means. Even the German Nazis would have hesitated to kill helpless hostages of their own people, but in this respect the Zionists are still more ruthless.

  32. Tom Welsh says:

    The narrative that Hamas are vicious savages who understand nothing but extreme violence sounds curiously familiar. Oh yes – it is exactly the same story that was told about the Native Americans, Africans, Filipinos, and all the other indigenous people whom European colonists wished to get rid of.

    While the European settlers in the USA were prompt to initiate violence against the Native Americans – and then to declare them godless savages who must be exterminated when they, quite naturally, fought back – the Zionist settlers in Palestine introduced a characteristically clever twist to the technique.

    They declared, as early as the 1920s, that they came in peace and wanted to live in harmony with the indigenous people. Then they pushed to bring as many Jewish settlers from all over the world to Palestine, supported by unlimited torrents of money from mostly US Jews. They bought all the land they could, but that was only about 5% of the tiny territory of Palestine. So they got the US government to bring about a UN resolution partitioning the land, which gave the Jews 55% of it. They elbowed their way into Palestinian land, doing everything possible to anger and provoke the inhabitants – and when fighting broke out, they had their opportunity to declare the Palestinians “treacherous, murderous savages” who had to be defeated.

    That technique has been used ever since, to great effect. We are told that it was the Palestinians who started the current fighting by their breakout. But who was it who previously stole most of the Palestinians’ land, killed all those who resisted, and confined the survivors to what is in effect the world’s largest concentration camp? When did anyone condemn Jews who escaped from a Nazi concentration camp and, perhaps, killed any Germans they came across?

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  33. This vile war is revealing many realities about the Israeli government!! This vile war is also revealing many realities about the United States government!!

    Hopefully both Bibi and Biden will be removed from office because of their criminal activities!! Hopefully, average United States citizens will start to realize that our politicians are owned, lock, stock, and barrel by the Israeli government!!

    We are swirling down the toilet; we desperately need leaders loyal to this country and its citizens!!

  34. Melvyn Bragg is the only reason that I may access something produced by the BBC.

    There is something that you may not have heard about 7th October: it was the day before 8th October.

    You’re welcome.

  35. @pyrrhus

    That scumbag Pollard should have been put in front of a firing squad.

    I’m not sure if what he said is another chewish ploy (ploys for goys), but it makes sense that izzie units were held back.

    • Replies: @Aleatorius
  36. @J

    Yes the Daily Fail had the same fake story. The Israeli productions entertainment costs …
    I suppose you believe anything, the the WW2 gas at the ‘ovens’ came out of the shower-heads. la James bond style. Eye witness account- sure.

  37. same BS the media has been spitting out about Hamas they’ve been doing about Russia in Ukraine war. straight out lies and innuendo about what has been going on there too.
    the propaganda and lies are so obvious that only an idiot would fall for it……..
    yes, I’m calling out all the idiots of the world here and now.
    said it before, will say it again: They Jews and Arabs hate each other to the death, but only one side is willing to openly admit it. There are no victims here.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  38. Ex-white says:
    @pyrrhus

    Why would you believe any insider knowledge from teddy spaghetti? That guy was hook, line, and sinker deep into the Qanon psyop hoax around the 2020 US presidential election. I remember it well.
    “Any minute now guys, Trump’s gonna cross that Rubicon and arrest Biden, all the insider players are in place, the democrats are about to be indicted, it’s totally happening, I got the leaked Qanon documents, 2 more weeks guys!”
    Vox day never even admitted how gullible and foolish he was to push that nonsense. That little man is far too prideful and narcissistic for such awareness. He just pushed on as if nothing happened. Typical NPC move. But ever since then he’s lost all credibility in my mind, and I wouldn’t take him seriously. He is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is.

    • Agree: Simon D
  39. Ex-white says:
    @Priss Factor

    Palestinians, despite all the horrors they face, have self-respect. Thus, they are morally richer than the prosperous cucks of the West who timidly do the bidding of Zion like sorry little dogs. It’s no wonder white people hate Palestinians so much.

    Well stated. Yes, I have noticed this too. Anglo-Saxons are the best goyim money can buy. They do tend to get particularly salty at peoples who do not cuck to their kike masters as servile and sychophantically as they do. Dresden 1945 was a remarkable vicious and effete atrocity to punish Germans for not submitting to Jewish usury and Bolshevik genocide. I hardly feel any sympathy for what the Anglos are getting today. They fully deserve that bed they made. Palestinians will outlast these servile little lap dogs.

    • Agree: threadhopper
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  40. Ex-white says:

    Lucy Williams is such a lowly and goulish human being with the dignity of a camp follower begging for crumbs of relevancy to feed her pathetic unremarkable career. I think Andrew Tate is pure human garbage, but when he kicked Lucy Williams around like a soccer ball as she tried to jump him, she really exposed herself as a petty, duplicitous, hack who would do anything for a cheap propaganda piece. Now here she is, acting as an apologist for Israeli genocidal brutality, and in effect minimizing and trivializing the murderpus crimes against Palestinian children and civilians. Where is this woman’s shame? What a pathetic and repulsive human being.

  41. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:
    @J

    LMFAO!

    The Jews were so proud of sniping 9,400 unarmed Palestinian protesters during the 2018 Great March of Return that they broadcast it on all the Jewish controlled networks.

    We were also treated to videos from the IDF showing how they laughed and celebrated every time they made a killshot to a Palestinian child’s head.

    Next thing you know, the Jews will be telling us the bulldozer that brutally murdered Rachel Corrie was driving itself.

    One only need examine all the depraved horror fantasies the Jews concocted to inflate their fabulous holohoax to know these are profoundly pathological beings. Forgo any reliance on their smallest utterances as lying is their native language.

    • Agree: threadhopper
    • Replies: @cousin lucky
  42. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @Notsofast

    Nowadays this “terrorism” is fraud. If they don’t use the term repeatedly, they can’t file claims on their *terrorism insurance* policies.

    Aside from that, the following article provides a great deal of perspective related to Mr Cook’s article above:

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article219959.html

  43. Mactoul says:
    @Passing by

    Hamas fighters do not wear uniforms that distinguish them from civilians.
    All of their actions are war crimes.

    • Replies: @Passing by
    , @Kratoklastes
  44. @Che Guava

    One can’t take British press seriously, it’s a badly run lies machine.
    Too many prestitutes.
    Some names to BBC’s initials:
    BBC = Buggering British Children
    BBC = British Bull Cookies
    BBC = Bolshevik Bullshit Cooperative

    As for the printed press, per the commedy series, Yes Minister:
    The Daily Mirror is read by people of think they run the country.
    The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country
    The Times is read by people who actually do run the country
    The Daily Mail is read by the wives of those who run the country.
    The Financial Times is read by people who own the country
    The Morning Star is read by people who think the country should be run by another country
    The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is [run by another country].
    The Sun readers don’t care who runs the country as long as you have big tits.

    • LOL: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Che Guava
  45. @Hetro

    Let’s face it, Western civilization and culture are under possession by Dionysus energy.
    Dionysus is the god of wine-making, drugs
    … , insanity, ritual madness, religious ecstasy, and theatre of the absurd.
    We haven’t hit bottom yet, to be able to push back up. I only hope we will have enough breath left to reach the surface.

  46. Looger says:

    There’s ultimately only one big question regarding this conflict and its future.

    Where are the Palestinians going to settle?

    It won’t be Jordan or Egypt as the people are too radicalized and pissed off at this point. Local sports bar on this block is owned by Coptic Egyptians, they say it’s impossible for Egypt to take them in.

    And of course the PLO trying to take over Jordan in the 70s, ends that possibility essentially forever.

    Arabs are tribal and no one liked the people on the other side of the river. Even the idea of a “nation state” has been so pulled towards resistance as a defining trait, that there’s no real identity they have anymore besides fighting Israel.

    Hamas was helped to begin by Israel, who gifted them infrastructure, buildings etc. and possibly financed in a bid to take over from the PLO and radicalize the populace. It’s a gambit that clearly has cynically paid off.

    So now what?

    This would be the time when the rich Arab countries could take a leadership position and give them a place.

    Unfortunately they’ve been funding and radicalizing the Palestinians themselves as lip service to Islamic extremism in their own backyards.

    The Palestinians as a group would surely destabilize wherever they go.

    So what about 23 Arab league members, each taking an exact percentage in as refugees?

    Not according to space or population or proportion or wealth or anything.

    Just divide the population by 23 and send the boats.

    This is it, Arabs – this is your chance to show the world the size and breadth of your civilization.

    Sayed Abourrish said that Palestinians die at the hands of the Israelis, and the feet of other Arabs.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
    , @turtle
  47. @Mactoul

    So Jewish armed resistance against nazis in the Warsaw ghetto was a war crime?

    • Agree: bike-anarkist, Brewer
    • Replies: @NeverTrustaWizard
  48. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @J

    The smoke is starting to drift away pal – more and more Americans are starting to see that the average Jew is a greedy, blood-thirsty monster inclined to lie and murder for money. Soon, the whole Holocaust tale of fiction will be questioned.

  49. Nat X says:

    but aint the hebes AND mohammadans caucasian? Or a subset of the yt race?

  50. Servenet says:
    @J

    The LIE that is woven throughout the nature of your kind is seen in your comment. You can’t help speaking The Lie because YOU JUST CAN’T. A defect so evil that the world groans under it.

    • Replies: @HT
  51. bjondo says:

    What Yid forgot to tell Seth R, and other kiddies:

    “I’m 100% Afraid Of Jews!” Says Actor Seth Rogen

    “I’m 100% Afraid Of Jews!” Says Actor Seth Rogen
    byu/john4peace injimmydore

    5ds/wsb

    • Replies: @bjondo
  52. Che Guava says:
    @Wokechoke

    Cryptic.

    Don’t know what you mean, I suppose the West Bank and Jerusalem ‘settlements’, I read that many of those creeps hold U.S. passports, and are from families that also act as an invasive species along the Hudson River valley and in other parts of N.Y. and N.J.

    Please enlighten me if your intended meaning was different.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  53. Che Guava says:
    @One Nobody

    I see one or two that are out of date (esp. tabloid Times), but thanks for that!

  54. harry law says:

    Hezbollah has warned that it will join the Palestinian resistance group Hamas and its allies in the fight against Israel if the regime escalates its aggression on Gaza and in case foreign military forces intervene to help the Israeli regime in the battle. The US/Israel have already done that. We shall see later today when Nazrallah speaks live on tv whether Hezbollah are just blowhards.
    Speaker: T.E. Lawrence
    “Sherif Ali, so long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous, and cruel as you are”…
    Col Gaddafi said something similar in a speech back in 2009 when he berated other Arab league members for allowing the US/UK to destroy Iraq, then to hang its leader. Any one of us could be next he said. How prophetic and true.

  55. @true.enough

    “That scumbag Pollard should have been put in front of a firing squad.”

    YHWH won’t allow it!

  56. HT says:
    @Servenet

    The LIE that is woven throughout the nature of your kind is seen in your comment. You can’t help speaking The Lie because YOU JUST CAN’T. A defect so evil that the world groans under it.

    Jesus knew them and called them out before anyone. They are Satan’s children and a den of serpents. They are murderers and liars and so deceptive. Sadly these snakes have fooled most Americans.

  57. Che Guava says:
    @Hetro

    You are saying that I wrote words that I never wrote.

    I am sure that I never entered the quote that you claim. Have checked. You may be confusing me with another user who recently (though not as recently as you!) signed up with a u-name that was chosen in reaction to mine. Can’t be bothered to check his history of posts, but really doubt that your fake quote comes from him either. Doesn’t fit the usual pattern.

    So, you are simply a liar.

    Not that I care. I do care a little about you lyingly mis-attributing words to me.

    Flippant at times? Sure. Do you, n00b, want to decree that all must be deadly serious in every post?

    I am especially flippant in the face of the threat of WW IV, as is natural to anyone with a functional mind, which you clearly lack.

    • Replies: @Hetro
  58. harry law says:

    French Senate proposes law making anti-Zionism a criminal offence with up to 5 years jail
    Members of the French Senate have proposed a law to punish critics of Israel by prison sentences and massive fines.

    The planned new law proposes three tiers of punishment, with those considered to have transgressed to face prison sentences of up to five years and a fine of up to €100,000:

    « Art. 25. – Those who contest the existence of the State of Israel by one of the means set out in Article 23 shall be punished by one year’s imprisonment and a fine of 45,000 euros.
    “Insult committed against the State of Israel, by any of the means set out in Article 23, shall be punishable by two years’ imprisonment and a fine of 75,000 euros.
    “Those who, by the same means, have directly provoked hatred or violence against the State of Israel shall be punished by five years’ imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 euros.”
    https://skwawkbox.org/2023/11/03/french-senate-proposes-law-making-anti-zionism-a-criminal-offence-with-up-to-5-years-jail/
    These people are lunatics.

  59. Ron Unz says:
    @One Nobody

    Hamas destroys 10-12 Israeli tank column in five minutes.

    Well, it certainly looked like several tanks were destroyed, and I think they might have been Israeli ones.

    But is there any evidence that the video footage came from current fighting in Gaza? Maybe those were Israeli tanks ambushed and destroyed by Hezbollah in Lebanon back in 2006. Or maybe those were actually Syrian tanks destroyed in that country’s civil war.

    This is the sort of reason I’m always very cautious about relying upon random videos someone has put up on the Internet.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  60. kabooz

  61. @Ex-white

  62. • Replies: @turtle
  63. bjondo says:
    @bjondo

    Another good video from Jimmy Dore:

    “Free Speech Warriors” Turn Into SNOWFLAKES Over Palestine!, The Jimmy Dore Show

    Video Link
    Yid oozes from Yid pores. Yid can’t help but be Yid.

    5ds/wsb

    • Thanks: NeverTrustaWizard
  64. Hetro says:
    @Che Guava

    The quote comes from Cook, the article, to which you responded flippantly, IMV (to Cook that is, meaning dismissively, quickly, automatically without qualification). I too am angry about all of it and should not have included a reference to you. I responded flippantly to you in turn, equally stupid.

  65. @Looger

    Sponsor an Israeli to live in your backyard.
    They will have evicted you within a year.

  66. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    The BBC is a propaganda arm of Israel. It’s EASY.

  67. @J

    So you are saying that we did it to ourselves, we killed our own soldiers and our own people in the kibbutzim?

    Yup.

    In Butt F*ck, BC the Red Sea Pedestrians are complaining they don’t feel safe because of a 150 person ‘Support Palestine’ protest. They put an article in our local rag complaining that supporting Palestine is bigotry.

    I am tacking Hezbollah flags around town to blow their minds!

    • Agree: ld
    • Thanks: Badger Down
  68. Kiers says:

    Time to stop letting the irredeemably and infamously evil Brits monetize their “special relationship”! Ban BAE systems from ALL US military contracts! They get the PLUM pieces of the F-35 did you know? Literally the PLUM subsystems that contain the entire intellectual property oomph of the F-35 platform are parcelled out to BAE which is entirely London owned, including the US subsidiary that won the contract! What kind of non-sense “offset” is that? To allow the Brits to buy their quota of F-35s “on the cheap”, the US gives the Brits prime roast pieces of the contract!

    Fact:
    In 2022, BAE made
    £23.256Bn in revenue;
    US accounted for £10.166Bn of that! (EU another £3.02Bn, and Saudis £2.539Bn).
    UK revenue was solely £4.6bn!

    F-35 PLUM pieces of contract to BAE include :
    •AN/ASQ-239 Electronic Warfare Suite SW. (Imagine that! What is the F-35 without its electronic warfare and phased array radar capability? All that info with BAE UK).
    •Autopilot landing system of F-35 on carrier version (Imagine that!) BAE UK!

    US just this week had war game exercise with its naval AEGIS system….guess who designed the exercise? BAE UK!

    These lying racist upper class bullingdon idiots have access to the PLUM IP of the PLUM hardware in the US military! Could any other foreign country get away with that? What, does the US NOT have any of its own sw engineers to do the job?

    Nonsense. Boycott Britain Now! ENough of these gits!

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  69. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    The comparisons with Allied bombing of German and Japanese cities is basically apposite. The minor exception is that, theoretically, the people who lived in those cities could evacuate before/during the bombing.
    One place where that theory didn’t hold was Dresden. There were many others.

  70. @Anonymous

    Isn’t just amazing how so many human beings are totally flawless; everything that they do is ” perfect”!!

  71. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @harry law

    The French is only one more Western government controlled by Zionists. It is Zionist, in all the worst ways. And these are very bad indeed.

  72. Israeli Genocide in action!!

    Massacre in Gaza: Occupation Targets Gravediggers and Leaves Thousands Dead by Al-Manar

    https://alethonews.com/2023/11/03/massacre-in-gaza-occupation-targets-gravediggers-and-leaves-thousands-dead/

    Israeli occupation forces mercilessly targeted a group of Palestinian citizens who were trying to dig graves in the northern Gaza Strip. The occupation aircraft launched a series of brutal raids on the central region of the Gaza Strip, resulting in a massacre at the Maghazi camp.

    The bombings deliberately aimed at a gathering of innocent citizens, a restaurant, and a home belonging to the Al-Barbarawi family, leaving numerous casualties and several martyrs. Many of the injured were rushed to Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital for urgent medical assistance. To make matters worse, the Israeli artillery shelling also targeted the eastern part of Rafah city in southern Gaza.

    Despite the international outcry against their actions, the occupation continues to escalate its aggression. At present, occupation aircraft are launching violent raids on Al-Sinaa Street in the heart of Gaza City. Moreover, they have targeted the Northern Beach camp, which lies west of the Shuhada Al-Shati Mosque.

    Yesterday, the Ministry of Health in Gaza released a devastating announcement, revealing that the death toll from Israeli aggression has risen to a staggering 9,061 martyrs. Among the fatalities are 3,760 children and 2,326 women, while approximately 32,000 individuals have been wounded with various injuries since the start of the “Al-Aqsa Flood” battle on October 7.

    The ministry further disclosed that the occupation forces committed 15 massacres in the past hours alone, claiming the lives of 256 innocent people. This unfathomable brutality brings the total number of massacres against families in the Gaza Strip to a horrifying 965.

    Adding to the horror, the ministry reported that the bombing of a house in Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip has resulted in the deaths of 11 individuals thus far. The extent of destruction and loss of life caused by Israeli aggression is truly unimaginable.

  73. @J

    How many thousands of palestinian children have the “israelis” murdered in the past month alone? Howe about the past 17 years especially?

    How many men, women and children did the invaders murder or threaten to murder to make them flee their homes and land in the first place? “‘How Israel’ was Created”:

    Video Link

    How many thousands of Palestinian women have the “Israelis” murdered in the past month alone?
    Now the body count of women for the past 17 years.

    How many thousands of elderly and handicapped people have the “israelis” murdered in the past month alone?
    Now the body count for handicapped and old people in the past 17 years.

    Why did the recent hospital bombing bear the hallmarks of a more advanced thermobaric weapon, which Hamas and the Gaza people ostensibly don’t have but the us and israel do have?

    Why are decent jewish people with a conscience and love for truth speaking out in such detail, in such numbers, against the starvation and terrorization of the Arabs and their children? See these brave “idf veterans” telling the truth:

    Video Link

    Are there any other races or cults who are “allowed” to trap millions of noncombatants and prevent people from giving them food and water, or is it only jews? Please let us know.

    You can hate or distrust arabs, or muslims, whatever, but this depth of cruelty and inhumanity and ungodly starvation blockade and targeting of civilians and children, this is too much for anyone on any “side.” Don’t let yourself sink to that level, even if it’s how you were raised, or even what you’re getting paid to say. You can be better than that, and God is waiting to judge us all if we cannot show mercy and be better than that human & humane bare minimum.

    FREE PALESTINE doesn’t capture it. FREE each of these living, breathing, suffering, terrified, hungry, hated, imprisoned innocent human beings whom the “israelis” cite insane “holy books” to justify murdering and abusing and degrading.

    Give them back their families’ lands, let them finally be safe and have dignity and not fear every minute of their lives. Make the mass murderers of their children leave the region permanently so these surviving children can grow up not being treated worse than animals.

    • Thanks: NeverTrustaWizard
    • Replies: @ld
    , @Dave Bowman
  74. One other thing the BBC forgot to tell you is that under international law,is that the occupied have a right to fight back at the occupier.

  75. Che Guava says:
    @harry law

    I used to want to visit France some time, studied the language, never spoke it well, still read most, was in student branch of Alliance Francaise, never want to go there now. Too dangerous.

    As you say, lunatics. Meanwhile, Sarkozy was one of (((them))).

    Micron is likely a secret homosexual who married his granny figure, who has had very heavy plastic surgery, that is obvious. One would guess that granny occasionally allows him to go off the leash to satisfy his carnal desires.

    The custom in France, of course, is to keep any such things quiet, so any talk of Micron’s secret homosexual life is alreadly strictly hidden (he’d likely prefer ‘rigidly banned’).

  76. Uncle Stupid in action!!

    U.S. Quietly Expands Secret Military Base in Israel By Ken Klippenstein, Daniel Boguslaw!

    https://informationclearinghouse.blog/2023/11/01/u-s-quietly-expands-secret-military-base-in-israel/

    Government documents pointing to construction at a classified U.S. base offer rare hints about a little noted U.S. military presence near Gaza.

    U.S. Air Force Airmen assigned to Ramstein Air Base, Germany, hand off cargo to the Israeli military, at Nevatim Base, Israel, Oct. 15, 2023. The mission provided the Israel Defense Forces with additional resources, which includes vital munitions, and emphasized the United States’ unwavering and ironclad support for both the Israel Defense Forces and the Israeli people. (U.S. Air Force Photo by Senior Airmen Edgar Grimaldo)

    U.S. Air Force airmen hand off cargo to the Israeli military at Nevatim Air Base, Israel, on Oct. 15, 2023.Photo: Edgar Grimaldo/U.S. Air Force

    Two months before Hamas attacked Israel, the Pentagon awarded a multimillion-dollar contract to build U.S. troop facilities for a secret base it maintains deep within Israel’s Negev desert, just 20 miles from Gaza. Code-named “Site 512,” the longstanding U.S. base is a radar facility that monitors the skies for missile attacks on Israel.

    On October 7, however, when thousands of Hamas rockets were launched, Site 512 saw nothing — because it is focused on Iran, more than 700 miles away.

    The U.S. Army is quietly moving ahead with construction at Site 512, a classified base perched atop Mt. Har Qeren in the Negev, to include what government records describe as a “life support facility”: military speak for barracks-like structures for personnel.

    Though President Joe Biden and the White House insist that there are no plans to send U.S. troops to Israel amid its war on Hamas, a secret U.S. military presence in Israel already exists. And the government contracts and budget documents show it is evidently growing.

  77. Che Guava says:

    I used to want to visit France some time, studied the language, never spoke it well, still read most, was in student branch of Alliance Francaise, never want to go there now. Too dangerous.

    As you say, lunatics. Meanwhile, Sarkozy was one,

    Micron is likely a secret homosexual that married his granny figure, who has had very heavy plastic surgery, that is obvious. One would guess that granny occasionally allows him to go off the leash to satisfy his carnal desires.

    The custom in France, of course, is to keep any such things quiet, so any talk of Micron’s secret homosexual life is alreadly strictly hidden (he’d likely prefer ‘rigidly banned’).

    • Replies: @Sarita
  78. turtle says:
    @Looger

    U.S.A.
    1. We have plenty of space.
    2. We have plenty of money.
    3. We have plenty of experience dealing with “merciless Indian savages.”
    Can you say “Trail of Tears?”
    Can you say “Long Walk of the Navajo?”

    In fact, the Navajo Nation should be the model for this enterprise.
    A Nation within a Nation, whose citizens do indeed have “dual loyalty.”
    Proud members of the Navajo Nation are also proud, patriotic Americans, in most cases.
    They have no “grievances,” and have too much self respect to accept charity, poor though they may be.
    Believe it or not, they tend to vote Republican.

    Being a New Mexican now residing in California, I speak from personal experience and personal acquaintance with Navajo (Diné) people in my younger days.

    The Arabs of Palestine have no quarrel with us, except that we have been supporting their enemies, who viciously persecute them. In my opinion, they are likely to be eternally grateful to us if we save them from the Jews. The ones who are already here, already are.

    And the Jews of Israel will OWE us, big time, for giving them what they claim to want, namely an Arab free “State of Israel.”

  79. Annony says:
    @ghali

    He is an Israeli citizen, I believe lives in Israel, not sure. He, perhaps, feels should be careful!

  80. ld says:
    @RadicalCenter

    JUSA
    albright
    starving 500 thousand children to death is worth it
    a poster monster for ZION

  81. More discussion of the profile of those actually killed on October 7th, and how they appear to have been killed.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  82. @Passing by

    Israel supporters do not acknowledge that Palestinians are under occupation, so the he wouldn’t see the comparasion as valid.

    • Replies: @Passing by
    , @ld
  83. Sarita says:
    @Che Guava

    Brigitte Macron met Macron In 1993, at the age of 40, (he was 15-years old) in La Providence High School where she was a teacher and he was a student and a classmate of her daughter Laurence.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  84. Agent76 says:

    Jan. 24, 2009 *How* Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

    Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor’s bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago.

    https://www.transcend.org/tms/2014/07/how-israel-helped-to-spawn-hamas/

    Jul 4, 2012 Hamas, An Israeli Creation

    Ron Paul alludes to the fact that Israel helped to spawn Hamas in order to weaken the then immensely popular and secular PLO.


    Video Link

  85. turtle says:
    @Priss Factor

    So tell us, Mr. Mast (or is that “Nasty”), are there any innocent German civilians, then or now? How about citizens of other countries who have full or partial German heritage?

    As a U.S. citizen of predominantly German ancestry, whose ancestors came to the U.S. in the 19th century, I will take grievous offense at any insinuation that I, or any of my family, living or dead, are or were “Nazis.” Those were fighting words when I was a child, and they are fighting words now.

    • Agree: Zane
  86. @Pastit

    The BBC is garbage. Has been for decades.

    It started with Margaret Thatcher. Every time the BBC uncovered something underhanded her government was involved in, there was a funding cut, until they finally figured out reporting the truth was problematic for the continuance of the organization. Those at the top of the BBC were replaced with sycophants to, or actual members of, the tribe that controls politics in the UK. That was repeated in Canada and Australia.

    • Agree: bike-anarkist
    • Thanks: Z-man
  87. Lydia says:

    Prayers for the world and Palestinians

    Stop killing journalists’ Gazans mourn Palestine TV reporter

    Video Link

    [MORE]

    Video Link

    Video Link

    Al Jazeera reporter’s family receives Israeli threat to leave Gaza home

    Israel has threatened Al Jazeera’s correspondent in Gaza – Youmna ElSayed – telling her and her family to leave their home, or risk being killed.

    Youmna ElSayed’s husband received the call on Monday and was told to flee Gaza City and head south, even though there are no safe routes out of the area.

    On Tuesday, the family of Al Jazeera’s Gaza bureau chief, Wael Dahdouh, was killed in an air strike.
    He lost his wife, son, daughter and grandson.

    In a statement, Al Jazeera said it “condemns the Israeli threat” towards ElSayed and her family.

    “This vile threat comes only a few days after the indiscriminate killing of the family of Al Jazeera Arabic’s journalist, Wael al-Dahdouh, who were asked to move south before being bombed,” it said.

    In response to threats from Israeli forces received by Al Jazeera’s Youmna ElSayed, who remains in Gaza City, the UN Secretary-General’s spokesperson has said that journalists in Gaza had to be protected.

    ‘We can’t take it’: journalist breaks down on air reporting colleague’s death in Gaza

    Video Link

  88. @Z-man

    The BBC have always been officially known as “Ball Breaking Cunts’.

    • LOL: Z-man
  89. Believe nothing what is coming out from England.

    And Muslims are full of shit. Talk and empty talk and no more fighting spirit.

  90. @Darth Plastic

    You are missing 100 years of nuance.

    It’s colonialism vs. indigenous.

  91. peterAUS says:

    There’s ultimately only one big question regarding this conflict and its future.
    Where are the Palestinians going to settle?

    Pretty much.

    It won’t be Jordan or Egypt as the people are too radicalized and pissed off at this point. Local sports bar on this block is owned by Coptic Egyptians, they say it’s impossible for Egypt to take them in.

    Well…with enough, say, initiative, from the West, especially to Egypt ruling layer, it’s quite possible to settle a lot of them in Sinai.

    So now what?
    This would be the time when the rich Arab countries could take a leadership position and give them a place.

    Yep.

    The Palestinians as a group would surely destabilize wherever they go.

    Well..that could work for those ruling layers for a couple of reasons. A lot of money/hardware/whatever from the West, for example.

    So what about 23 Arab league members, each taking an exact percentage in as refugees?
    Not according to space or population or proportion or wealth or anything.
    Just divide the population by 23 and send the boats.

    That’s an interesting point.

    The reality will be, most likely, somewhat different.
    A lot of them will settle in those “23”, Egypt in particular.
    A lot of them will settle in the West. Australia and New Zealand included.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  92. 40shades says:

    I do not understand why Hamas does not make its own propaganda documentary to give its side.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  93. bjondo says:

    BBC also fails to say so many head scarves people can’t see the sky:

    NightLife Of Tehran City And Girls And Boys After Midnight
    Hasti & Shayan Travels

  94. @Mactoul

    Hamas fighters do not wear uniforms that distinguish them from civilians.
    All of their actions are war crimes.

    You’re talking through your hat – or out of your arse, which amounts to the same thing.

    People resisting occupation are not required to be an organised armed force, and are not required to wear uniforms. They are permitted to “blend in” with the occupied population, and it remains a war crime for an occupation force to engage in collective punishment – which includes retaliatory strikes that are a priori likely to result in large numbers of non-combatant casualties. This last point remains true even if the strike is on a valid military object.

    Resistance forces are also not required to carry their arms openly.

    Guerilla movements are entirely legitimate forms of resistance to both occupation and invasion.

    See Ford (1967) “Resistance Movements and International Law, International Review, Oct-Dec 1967.

    The first article cited in the Ford piece – Trainin (1946) “Questions of guerilla warfare in the law of war“, American Journal of International Law, Vol. 40 – is also very good.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  95. @NeverTrustaWizard

    I’m afraid you’re right. They truly are insane.

  96. peterAUS says:

    A lot of them will settle in the West.

    Timing:

    Jews and Islamists are players.
    White Goyim, in Europe in particular, have no idea there is a game.

  97. @Che Guava

    Check the earlier paragraphs of the post he’s responding to. He’s talking about villages worth visiting in Britain – which is partly true and partly not.

  98. Major says:

    Let’s say the quiet part out loud…Palestinians are savages.
    LMMFAO, dude.
    Millions and millions of people are saying that out loud every day. You’re hardly on the vanguard here.

  99. Joe Wong says:
    @Che Guava

    Romans salt a land, create a desert and call it peace. British imitate the Romans, and the Americans is born out of the British. Calling the British liar is white washing the Brit’s crime against peace, war crime, and crime against humanity.

  100. Half-baked or fully baked?

    In a recent interview, Jonathan Pollard explicitly confirmed the only plausible explanation for what happened on Simchas Torah: there was a stand down order while thousands of Jews in dozens of communities were brutally murdered, tortured, raped, mutilated, and dragged off to Gaza.

    https://chananyaweissman.com/article.php?id=557

  101. @peterAUS

    ‘…Well…with enough, say, initiative, from the West, especially to Egypt ruling layer, it’s quite possible to settle a lot of them in Sinai…’

    How about if we drive the Jews into the desert, better?

    After all, the Palestinians have a home. It’s called Palestine.

  102. Anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:

    Through history american, british and swedish especially have been bunch of arrogant, sick, criminal, narcistic and psychopathic morons, that think that they are better than others, that they are the ones culturing and educating others, that others need to do what they say or they will terrorize, rob, torture and murder them. They have always said: Give it to us, or we will and terrorize you. They have always believed that the world is theirs to take and resources and people are theirs to use, with any means necessary. American, british and swedish have a victim bitch mind, seeing opposition and resist as an attack against them, that they are always the victims and they need to “revenge”, destroy and terrorize, if the other side doesnt submit to them.

    Finally everybody is waking up to the fact that they are really just bunch of narcistic, sick and criminal morons full of themselves. Trump is a great example of that.

  103. @40shades

    ‘I do not understand why Hamas does not make its own propaganda documentary to give its side.’

    You wouldn’t be aware of it if they did.

    There is Times of Gaza on Twitter. Also, Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen. Al Jazeera’s tediously PC, but informative. If Americans Knew is good.

    The truth is right there. You just have to be willing to see it.

    • Thanks: 24th Alabama, rgl
    • Replies: @24th Alabama
    , @Wielgus
  104. ld says:
    @NeverTrustaWizard

    who goves a flying fuck what these monsters think

  105. Looger says:
    @turtle

    And the Jews of Israel will OWE us, big time, for giving them what they claim to want, namely an Arab free “State of Israel.”

    One does wonder what their endgame really is.

    The first priority of every government is self-preservation, and when you’re a Zionist entity, you have to always be at war.

    Interesting hypothesis -call their bluff.

    Could be the best way to dump the Jew.

    Forever.

    • Replies: @turtle
  106. Zane says:

    Stop somehow blaming whites or ” the West ” for this Israeli crime.

    It’s the JEWS who are behind this. Think Rothschilds.

  107. turtle says:
    @turtle

    I further assert that what the Jews claim to want is not what they actually want.
    What they actually want is:
    A) A subservient population of second class citizens who will do the dirty work at low cost, take what they are given, and STFU about it.
    B) A threat, which can be invoked at will to scare their own citizens.
    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

    —– Henry L. Mencken

    Of course, hobgoblins must show up now and then, or people will cease to believe in them.
    Hobgoblins must be summoned, at intervals, in order to continue the routine general fraud.

    It is an obvious stroke of genius to combine objectives A and B.

  108. turtle says:
    @Looger

    call their bluff

    My point exactly.

    you have to always be at war.

    Sans bogeymen, a government’s “right to exist ” rapidly evaporates in the warm light of truth.

  109. @harry law

    If I were living in France, I would be spending life in prison and penniless, as Zionist parasites would have confiscated all my assets.
    But since I live in USA, France and Israel can go to hades.

  110. Lydia says:

    Explosion at major Gaza hospital reported

    @alexauclair1 obviously to the south. The Al-Shifa hospital is in the North.

    @tatoearashiga they have bombed the south! Are you mad?! Or are you just ill informed? Or both

    Nauseating

    In other videos uploaded to the “Terrorists from another angle” Telegram channel, Israelis are seen driving civilian vehicles back and forth over the lifeless bodies of men presumed to be Palestinian fighters, stripped down to their underwear.

    “Amit, this is for you sweetie,” an Israeli is heard saying in one of the videos. In another clip where a presumed Palestinian fighter is slowly smeared into the gravel road, Israeli men can be heard laughing loudly, while one of them narrates the nauseating scene: “Very good, Gershon! In the ass! Half a corpse! In the ass!”

    After the Israeli army declared war on Gaza, the Telegram channel has continued to fill up with images and videos of charred Palestinian bodies of a different kind: the civilian victims of Israel’s intense aerial bombardment of the Gaza Strip – men and women, young and old – still termed “terrorists” by Israeli officials.

    Horrifying clips of Palestinians picking their mangled, mutilated and murdered family members and friends out of the rubble are regularly uploaded to the channel, accompanied by expressions of joy.

    Meanwhile, while the world’s attention is focused on the destruction of the Gaza Strip, Israel is simultaneously turning the screws on Palestinians under its military occupation in the West Bank. Over 100 Palestinians there have been killed by Israeli soldiers and settlers since 7 October, while there has been a sharp increase in the numbe
    https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusing-bodies-palestinian-fighters/39731

    Other footage shows Israeli soldiers abusing a group of bound Palestinian laborers in the West Bank, some of whom are stripped naked.

    Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده
    @RamAbdu
    ⚠️ Frightening scenes of Palestinian civilians in West Bank being tortured, humiliated and lynched by Israeli army.
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  111. Tony Blinken went back to Jerusalem so he could pretend to ask Benji to
    stop killing children, and was told to shut up and send more weapons
    and money. Blinken was forced to grovel and beg for forgiveness.

    Meanwhile, in Berlin, the putzy Chancellor Schulz of once mighty Germany
    warned Iran not to interfere with the Israeli massacre of Palestinians.
    The Iranians had a good laugh at the expense of the latter- day Siegfried,
    and suggested that the Jewish “douchebag of repentance” that he
    wears about his neck might be the source his delusions.

    • Agree: Bruce In Texas
  112. Due to a combination of hubris, poor training and a lack of fire discipline the ATF itself was responsible for the majority of dead and wounded on their side of the Branlch Davidian Compound assault near Waco, Texas on February 19, 1993.

    In a damage control effort this fact was brushed over by the media in coordination with the Clinton DOJ (Janet Reno, AG) in order to minimize sympathy for the Davidians.

    Same same.

    • Agree: 24th Alabama
  113. @Colin Wright

    If you want to know the truth, ask a minimalist, Colin or Schopenhauer.
    And, here I am with my brood of 15 and an abundance of worries
    and blessings.

    Some men have been happy after adding a gainfully employed, healthy,
    sterile woman with a prodigious sexual appetite, but that doesn’t always
    work out either. This is speculation and not advice, which of course is
    seldom welcome and rarely followed.

    Your rejection of materialism is the beginning of wisdom
    and truly admirable.

    All the best to you.

  114. BBC matched by three ugly Yid with worms & snakes (and profound stupidity) for brains:

    Debate: Is Gaza a Concentration Camp? Norman Finkelstein Substack

    https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/debate-is-gaza-a-concentration-camp

    God Bless Norman Finkelstein.

    5ds/bjondo

    • Replies: @Z-man
  115. George09 says:

    I have trouble feeling sorry for the Palestinians. Even other Muslim nations don’t want them as refugees because of how awful they are.

    I would like to think that kikes will now be less supportive of groups like Black Lives Matter. Then again, the “woke” Jews tend to be anti-Israel themselves, so it probably won’t affect things.

  116. Z-man says:
    @wormssnakesbrain

    Agree about Norman Finkelstein

  117. At one time the BBC was a great news source. This 2002 BBC documentary for example, about the intentional Israeli sinking of the American Navy’s USS Liberty. This can no longer be found on any of the BBC’s YouTube channels.

    • Agree: Bruce In Texas
    • Thanks: turtle
    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Colin Wright
  118. Here is something else that the BBC isn’t likely to be telling you.
    The video below called ‘Killing Gaza’ produced by Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal (two Jews with a conscience), was made a couple of years ago:

    Those scenes in the video were from a period when things were ‘relatively quiet’ (in relative terms) compared to the carnage that is going on at present.
    One can only imagine the horrific conditions that exist today during the present conflict.

    The depravity of the small hats is monumental. The world will not forget the depths to which the Apartheid Israeli state has stooped.
    The day of reckoning looms for the perpetrators.

  119. rgl says:
    @J

    I believe that the so-called ‘Hannibal procedure’ is precisely that. An official order to any one soldier to shoot any other soldier at risk of becoming a hostage. It can be argued that they are soldiers, not civilians. They are still citizens. I do not see it as a great leap of logic, considering the brutality israel has unleashed on the collective Gazans, that, especially in the chaos that must have been on the 7th, the IDF would shoot pretty much anything in their gunsights. Militant, civilian or perhaps ‘at risk’ IDF soldiers? I can see it. So, yes. That is what I am saying. Or rather just supporting the original poster.

  120. The next stage is to attack ‘the enemy within’, the hundreds of thousands who have marched in the West against the Zionazis’ religiously sanctified genocide, who are now being reviled by the VERMIN of the Western MSM as ‘antisemites’ and apologists for Hamas. They will be the Zionazis’ next target, but they will leave the actual work to their Sabbat Goy slaves.
    The attack on October 7 was CLEARLY allowed to occur. The most thoroughly guarded border on Earth is not suddenly breached in numerous places. The helicopters were loaded and ready to go, to sacrifice a few Jews for the Greater Glory of Yahweh and Bibi, His Representative on Earth, and the Second Nakba.
    This is MUCH bigger than Gaza. This is the beginning of the Clash of Civilizations War, the West against ALL non-Western cultures and races, but particularly the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, and, eventually, the Indian sepoys as well. If you are God’s Chosen Herrenvolk, then it is your religious duty to rule over the goy untermenschen FOREVER. Whenever they get out of line, Joseph Conrad knew the response-‘Exterminate the brutes’.

  121. @Priss Factor

    It’s MUCH worse than that. As Talmudic scripture decrees, killing civilians is not just permissible under Judaic Law, but is a mitzva, or good deed. Moreover, killing children, even babies, is permissible if it can be said that they would grow up to ‘oppose the Jews’. And destroying a whole city is kosher if only even a few ‘oppose the Jews’. Judaic psychobabble is intrinsically, inextricably, genocide justifying.

  122. @harry law

    The VERY definition of a slave State. Next-Thought Crime’. Arguing with a Jew. Bumping into a Jew in the street-‘microaggression’. Delirium. Remember, Micron and his ‘party’ were created by the CRIF, the Jewish elite, and criminals like the ‘Lion of Libya’, Bernard-Henry Levy.

  123. Molip says:
    @J

    So you are saying that we did it to ourselves, we killed our own soldiers and our own people in the kibbutzim?

    No, Israelis are saying that their military killed their own people in the kibbutzim. They have been on Israeli radio saying this openly. https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861

    Israelis are the terrorists here.

  124. Che Guava says:
    @Sarita

    Thank you, I have read of the timing for Brigitte and Micron, but had not heard that her daughter was a classmate of Micron before.

  125. @Kiers

    Boycott Britain Now! ENough of these gits!

    lol

    “PLUM”.

    You sound like some kind of (PLUM) autistic, myopic, data-happy (PLUM) retard with (PLUM) OCD. Ask yourself WHY your U.S. government chooses to give huge (PLUM) U.S. Defence contracts to (PLUM) British companies ? (PLUM).

    Perhaps because decades of high-level commercial trade experience has proved that the British (PLUM) companies concerned have all the (PLUM) answers, all the best-educated, highest-skilled, most up-to-date (and all WHITE) (PLUM) technology experts in the world, and a solid historical (PLUM) understanding of American commercial and security-based (PLUM) requirements and working-practices. PLUM. You know – a bit more than the local chicken-stuffing, pant-dragging, hoe-screwing ‘hood nigger grunts in Detroit and Chicago.

    British Aerospace (BAe) is the British equivalent (and more) of McDonnell-Douglas. And you think it’s a bad thing to give them U.S. Defence work which they do better than anyone else in the world ?

    Yeah, sure ! Those “upper class bullingdon idiots” in government who hardly know what a keyboard is have access to the “PLUM IP of the PLUM hardware in the US military”. You must be on some kind of medication.

    (PLUM)

    Did I say “PLUM” enough for you ? How did you do with your (PLUM) Klingon exams ?

    God save me from (PLUM) know-nothing faux-techie dickheads.

  126. @RadicalCenter

    BRAVO.

    Utter brilliance, and word-perfect – thank you. I am almost weeping with impotent, murderous rage over the thousands of defenceless Palestinian civilians they are shooting at this moment in camera-free Gaza, and the thousands of Palestinian children they have already incinerated with internationally-illegal phosphorous bombs paid for by American tax-payers. Every politician on earth should be made to read your comment.

    Thank you for being 100% human. The deranged, hate-filled, anti-White, anti-Christian, lying, stealing, duplicitous, monstrously-cruel, Satan-worshipping, nation-wrecking Talmudist Zionist Bolshevik filth gave up on being human a very long time ago. Their souls are headed a long, long way down – if only they knew.

    “Why?” asked Pilate. “What evil has He done ?” But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him!” When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “You bear the responsibility.” All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”

    – – Matthew 27: 23-25 (Berean Standard Bible)

  127. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    Europeans, Brits and Yanks live under more media censorship than they realise. To get a Russian perspective on the Ukraine conflict, I pretty much have to read sites in Russian or log onto Internet TV of Russian channels. English-language Russian media have been blocked. Oddly, during WW2 you did not have to know German to get the German propaganda viewpoint – German radio broadcasts in English were not banned, though listening to them was presented as unpatriotic.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Looger
  128. Habitual liars, such as the Israeli, British and American Governments, will do
    anything to silence their opponents, including murder. The arrogance of the
    Jews is such that they hardly bother to conceal their assassinations, hoping
    they will serve as warnings to others.

    British protection of free speech ends abruptly when a person opposes the
    policies of the Government, as in the cases of William Joyce, and more recently
    Julian Assange.

    Joyce was derisively named “Lord Haw Haw” by the British press in WWII
    because of his pro-German broadcasts from Berlin. After the War he was
    convicted of treason and hanged by the British despite the fact that he was
    never a British citizen. He was born to Irish immigrant parents in NYC, so
    he was an American who could also claim Irish citizenship. The absurdity
    of executing a non-citizen for treason has never been addressed by the
    Government because he was actually killed as an act of revenge for being
    an anti-Semite. He died bravely and unrepentant.

    The case of Assange being held in a British prison for extradition to the
    the U.S. bears some similarities to the Joyce situation. Assange is an
    Australian citizen who has been abandoned by his own government to
    please the Americans. His only crime is that of exercising his rights of
    free press and speech, the very rights that are sanctimoniously praised,
    ad nauseum, in many “democracies.”

    • Agree: Brewer, Bruce In Texas
  129. Looger says:
    @Wielgus

    Europeans, Brits and Yanks live under more media censorship than they realise.

    That must be why the viewership for the legacy media is constantly going down to new lows.

    Most people unfortunately get their news from social media now, as in they read the headline or what someone thinks is the headline and they don’t look into things at all.

    There is a fast-growing minority that finances and utilizes independent media. And no I don’t mean Alex Jones. Corbett report, lotus eaters, Derek broze, Katherine austin-Fitts, people who provide all their sources and dont have a narrative to push (besides freedom).

    The ever-shrinking segment that actually pays attention to the legacy media, basically the last little old ladies with cable packages, yes you’re right they don’t know how politicized their media has gotten in the last 10-15 years.

    But really were only talking about 10% of the population, plus some airport TV’s in the restaurants and bars.

  130. @Carlton Meyer

    ‘…This can no longer be found on any of the BBC’s YouTube channels.’

    That’s depressing but predictable.

  131. ivan says:

    The baby being roasted story may be something out of Dean Swift’s ‘A Modest Proposal’, except for one thing: the man making the allegation is one of those men who collect every fragment of bone, or piece of flesh in order to preserve it for the Day of Resurrection according to Jewish beliefs. I first saw these men in action in the 1990s, where they would go through every wall, every floor, after one the suicide bombings by an earlier generation of Hamas “freedom-fighters” collecting fragments of exploded bodies with tweezers . Normally I would take it would such an allegation with a large grain of salt, but since it is one these men that is making the allegation, I tend to take it seriously.

    What is clear is that while there were professional fighters among the Hamas, there were also deranged fwcks and I can believe that one of them would have done such a thing – roasting a baby – as it conforms with the Muslim belief that one cannot participate in the Resurrection without a physical body. Its done to ensure that the soul is completely annihilated or so they think.

    Supposedly the worst punishment in medieval China is the “death of a thousand cuts”. This is done so that the body cannot be reconstituted in the Afterlife. Same thing. Poor kid. But it seems we are on a terminal standard now and expressions of horror and pity are superflous

    • Agree: peterAUS
    • Replies: @J
  132. J says:
    @Wokechoke

    Friendly fire killing hundreds of young people dancing in a rave festival? The HAMAS filmed themselves running after the girls and raping and killing them. They even paraded a naked girls inGaz city, filmed by thousand Arabs.

    • Replies: @Bruce In Texas
    , @Brewer
  133. J says:
    @ivan

    It is filmed and documented. I personally don’t think the thousand Gazans that invaded Israel when the wall/fence was thrown down were demented at all. The uniformed HAMAS terrorists were surely drugged (Captogen – some kind of Speed) but there were hundreds of others attracted by the mayhem.

    • Replies: @Bruce In Texas
  134. ‘It’ is a Hamas ‘plot’?
    “Monumental Oversight: Unveiling a Colossal Miscalculation | Scott Ritter”

  135. @J

    Link to the Hamas raping and killing girls please.
    I’ve seen this video which supposedly supports the claim of a girl hiding jnder dead bodies but all the bodies are moving around.
    Holocaust-tier reflex lying phenomenon, it seems to be universal among Israelis.

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-hamas-palestine-war-music-fest-survivor-says-she-hid-under-dead-bodies-for-7-hours-4469327

  136. @J

    “It is filmed and documented.”
    Where?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  137. Brewer says:
    @J

    Yeah, its what you do innit? You are carrying out a daring raid into enemy territory, every second counts. Its only natural to put your rifle down, drop your drawers and have a little rape break.
    Nah. Rapes are committed at leisure after the battle – like, y’know:

    There was a particularly festive atmosphere at the Nirim outpost on August 12, 1949, the eve of Shabbat. A week of dusty patrols and pursuits of infiltrators in the sands of the western Negev desert was at an end, and the commander of the hilltop site, Second Lieutenant Moshe, gave the order to make the preparations for a party. The tables in the large tent that was used as a mess hall were arranged in rows, sweets of various kinds were laid out on them and even a bit of wine was poured, though not enough to get drunk on. At exactly 8 P.M. the soldiers took their places and platoon commander Moshe recited the blessing over the wine. He then gave a Zionist pep talk, reiterating the importance of the unit’s mission and the troops’ contribution to the infant state. At the order of his deputy, Sergeant Michael, Private Yehuda read from the Bible. When he finished the soldiers burst into song, told jokes, ate and drank. A merry time was had by all.
    Shortly before the end of the party, at about 9:30, the platoon commander asked for quiet. He got up and, with a smile on his face, reminded the soldiers about the Bedouin girl they had caught earlier that day during a patrol in their sector. They had brought her to the outpost and she was now locked up in one of the huts. Platoon commander Moshe said he was putting forward two options for a vote. The first was that the Bedouin girl would become the outpost’s kitchen worker; the second was for the soldiers to have their way with her. The proposals got an enthusiastic reception. A melee ensued. The soldiers raised their hands and the second option was accepted by majority vote. “We want to fuck,” the soldiers chanted……..The party ended, the soldiers went off to their tents. The officer ordered the platoon sergeant to bring a folding bed to the tent they shared and to place the Bedouin girl on it. Sergeant Michael did as he was told, entered the tent, closed the flap and shut off the lantern.
    Thus began one of the ugliest and most appalling episodes in the history of the Israel Defense Forces. Even at a remove of 54 years, it is difficult to understand how an event of this kind could have happened with the participation, active or less active, of dozens of soldiers in uniform……According to some accounts she was a young girl aged between 10 and 15; others say she was between 15 and 20…….Privates Eliahu and Shimon set about digging a grave. When the girl saw what they were doing, she screamed and started to run. She ran about six meters before Sergeant Michael aimed his tommy gun at her and fired one bullet. The bullet struck the right side of her head and blood began to pour out. She fell on the spot and did not move again. The two soldiers went on digging.
    Sergeant Michael went back to the vehicle. Pale and trembling, he laid down his weapon and said to Shaul, “I didn’t believe I could do something like that.” Shaul said that maybe the bullet didn’t kill her and that she was liable to lie in torment for a few hours, buried alive. He asked Michael to do him a personal mercy by going back to the girl and shooting her a few more times, to ascertain that she was dead. The sergeant did not manage to carry out that mission. Corporal David came over, took the tommy gun and fired a few bullets into the girl’s body. The pit the privates dug wasn’t very deep, only about 30 centimeters. They placed the body in the pit, covered it over with sand and returned to the outpost……..
    Re: Report on the captive
    In my patrol on 12.8.49 I encountered Arabs in the territory under my command, one of them armed. I killed the armed Arab on the spot and took his weapon. I took the Arab female captive. On the first night the soldiers abused her and the next day I saw fit to remove her from the world.
    Signed: Moshe, second lieutenant.” https://archive.ph/KJcvt#selection-1349.0-1365.34

    Ari Shavit: According to your new findings, how many cases of Israeli rape were there in 1948?

    Benny Morris: About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg. https://logosjournal.com/morris.htm

    • Agree: Bruce In Texas
  138. @turtle

    The Arabs of Palestine have no quarrel with us, except that we have been supporting their enemies, who viciously persecute them. In my opinion, they are likely to be eternally grateful to us if we save them from the Jews. The ones who are already here, already are.

    The left has been telling us the same thing about importing third worlders.

    Oh they have nothing against us. It’ll be fine.

    Then we get a Boston bomber or UK subway bomber.

    OH WELL UM….THOSE ARENT TYPICAL MUSLIMS DERP

    Yea well countries like Hungary that didn’t import typical or atypical Muslims didn’t have those bombings.

    Why should we import angry third worlders whose religion says they can kill non-Muslims? Their religion gives them permission to kill non-Muslims and take their women as sex slaves.

    What is the gain to us?

    And the Jews of Israel will OWE us, big time, for giving them what they claim to want, namely an Arab free “State of Israel.”

    Is this a joke post? I really can’t tell.

    I got news for you buddy which is ISRAEL ALREADY OWES US.

    We send them billions in military aid and give them free research.

    Go get our taxes back for us. Then we can talk about importing angry third worlders that believe it is a sin to eat pork or have a dog as a pet. They also think European art is a sin. Everything we do is sinful to them. Why should we take in a million and *hope and pray* that we don’t get some angry Boston bomber? What do we gain?

    Once they get large enough in number they start passing their own rules. Muslims in Britain have demanded that White women cover up and that pork not be served at government cafeterias. Britain went from importing Muslims as a favor to catering to their laws. They’ve demanded that toilets be moved so they aren’t facing mecca. Well that’s extremely expensive but they don’t seem to care. Whitey will figure it out.

    • Replies: @Looger
  139. @Bruce In Texas

    “It is filmed and documented.”

    Where?

    What exactly are you denying? The kidnapping of the 7 year old, the half naked woman or the old lady in the wheelchair? They are all on video with Gaza crowds cheering.

    You’re not searching if you haven’t found them.

    You and others here are no different than liberal White women that don’t want to face the reality in front of them and make excuses for ANYTHING based on the past. Bury your head from an unwanted reality and revert to excuses.

    Liberal White woman: Is there proof that Jamal actually raped her? Probably just a rumor from racist Whites. It appears he went home with her outside the club but we don’t know exactly what happened. It could have been consensual. Her body hasn’t been found so let’s not speculate. Let’s talk about the legacy of slavery and what White men did to these poor people.

    Alt-right Hamas defender: Has the baby killing actually been confirmed? Probably just lies from Israel. From what I have read they only targeted entire families. Let’s not conclude they actually killed babies. Just men, women, teens and elderly. Maybe they kidnapped a child but I can’t find the video. I will assume it doesn’t exist. Let’s talk about the legacy of Israel and what they did to these poor people.

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  140. Looger says:
    @John Johnson

    Im not going to speak for Turtle.

    But if importing ALL the Palestinians into the West ends this conflict we’re fucking obsessed with as a civilization, then I say it’s worth looking into.

    We all know that Israel won’t stop, they obviously have a national fetish for a class of untermensch and someone to shoot wildly at when their foreskins are bugging them.

    For that reason alone, for the spell we are under to be broken forever, fuck it let’s take them in.

    We’re already taking in millions of muslims because of Jewish influence. What better way to end all that bullshit forever. Yep they’ll cause problems. Maybe they’ll chase the Jews out of the west.

    As it is our western policy of forever fealty to Israel and Jews in general, it’s a terminal disease and all options should be on the table.

    If I were Jewish I’d read the tea leaves.

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  141. @John Johnson

    I want evidence of baby beheadings, roastings, rapes, and the like because it sounds just like CAMP TALES FROM THE HOLOHOAX.

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  142. @Bruce In Texas

    I want evidence of baby beheadings, roastings, rapes, and the like because it sounds just like CAMP TALES FROM THE HOLOHOAX.

    There is video of them parading around a woman half naked. They later killed her.

    I don’t know if they actually beheaded babies but they have beheaded hostages.

    Hamas supporters don’t deny that they targeted entire families in the burbs. They also don’t deny that they kidnapped children. There is a video of them parading around a crying 7 year old while crowds cheer. We had Hamas defenders claiming it didn’t happen because they didn’t want to Google it.

    Quite disturbing that they are actually arguing Hamas held the moral line at killing babies.

    Should really get out of bed with desert sand raiders if you are argument is:
    Well yes they killed entire families but it’s outrageous to suggest that they killed babies or raped women. How dare you besmirch their character!

    Hamas chose to target civilians and here you are defending them. Do you believe these accounts of rape from concert goers are all falsified?
    https://forward.com/fast-forward/568871/hamas-rape-music-festival-israel-eyewitness-testimony/

    Hint: You actually don’t have to take sides and wage a flag. I don’t like Hamas and I also don’t like how Israel is currently collapsing tunnels and not bothering to find hostages.

    Muslim cruelty against women and children is nothing new. Europeans described the amoral behaviors of Muslim invaders. The real Dracula (Vlad the Impaler) took extreme measures in response to Muslim invaders like impaling them. The sight not only terrified them but used their religious beliefs against them. History is in fact rife with cases where Whites were shocked by Muslim cruelty in their raids. The odds of Hamas drawing the line at killing babies are about 1 in not really. The moms on camera screaming and crying were not crisis actors. Face reality and move on.

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  143. @Looger

    For that reason alone, for the spell we are under to be broken forever, fuck it let’s take them in.

    This is madness. We have to take in all the Muslims because Israel doesn’t want to find a compromise?

    Why the United States? I didn’t see anything in the constitution about needing to solve the problems of other countries by taking their angry third worlders.

    Africa has plenty of space. Syria has plenty of space. What is with this White guilt bullshit attitude of taking in the third world when it doesn’t benefit us? Do you wake up and whip yourself?

    We’re already taking in millions of muslims because of Jewish influence. What better way to end all that bullshit forever. Yep they’ll cause problems. Maybe they’ll chase the Jews out of the west.

    Hoping maybe wishful thinking.

    Muslims believe that we non-Muslims deserve to be killed. We have chosen to not believe and as such are fair game. Why should we import people with that attitude? What is the gain for us?

    Hamas in America is madness. Maybe they’ll chase out the Jews? Or maybe they’ll do a Boston bombing or worse. Maybe they’ll create some new anti-Western sect with a whole new round of terror cells. WHEEE FUN.

    Your hopeless attitude is why we could get Muslims. Biden could easily develop the same attitude. Garsh Israel I guess we will have to take them. You seem really angry so we will go ahead and solve your problem. God bless you and Shalom.

    If I were Jewish I’d read the tea leaves.

    Tea leaves say White people like yourself can be talked into taking angry third worlders and their problems while Israel cheers.

    • Replies: @Looger
    , @Looger
    , @Wokechoke
  144. @John Johnson

    “Do you believe these accounts of rape from concert goers are all falsified?”

    Yes I do “John Johnson”.

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  145. Looger says:
    @John Johnson

    Ki

    What is with this White guilt bullshit attitude of taking in the third world when it doesn’t benefit us?

    When I look outside the first thing I see is an Islamic center which didn’t shut down during COVID, and whose crowds didn’t have to take a shot.

    All because my country is ruled by Jew garbage.

    “White guilt”

    Horses have left the corral you fucking retard.

    If I could de-jew my civilization by barely making a dent in the excess Muslim category, it’s still better than forever fealty to your kike garbage.

    This fucking dump is balkanizing and flying apart at the seams in a decade or less no matter what.

    Dump the Jew now or later? Muzzies gots to go no matter what.

    You mistake my country for one that wasn’t lost decades ago.

  146. Looger says:
    @John Johnson

    Hamas in America is madness. Maybe they’ll chase out the Jews? Or maybe they’ll do a Boston bombing or worse. Maybe they’ll create some new anti-Western sect with a whole new round of terror cells. WHEEE FUN.

    Who says I’m going to be living with them?

    Someone will have to drive buses and sweep floors in your shitlib paradise country, the brand new buffer state between Canada and the USA.

    I call it “Female Genital Mutilania” a nice long name for that strip of Canada along the border that includes liberals, Jews, and other useless eater parasites.

    You’re going to love it.

    You can organize the two minutes hate against Putin, or whatever else every Saturday night.

    Whatever gets you and your garbage, the fuck away from me.

  147. Ron Unz says:
    @John Johnson

    There is video of them parading around a woman half naked. They later killed her…

    Hamas chose to target civilians and here you are defending them. Do you believe these accounts of rape from concert goers are all falsified?

    Well, there were also those “eyewitness accounts” of 40 beheaded Israeli babies, although not a single Israeli baby has been reported killed in the Hamas attack. So perhaps beheading babies doesn’t actually kill them.

    Everyone knows that Jewish-activist-types are the world’s worst liars and biggest propagandists.

    Since you’re such an energetic pro-Israel activist, presumably working on a stipend, perhaps you could provide that video you mention? I’d asked a different pro-Israel activist, and he came up dry.

    As I discussed in my Monday article, the worst Hamas videos he’d been able to locate seemed to show no evidence of any such crimes, let alone war crimes.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/war-crimes-and-atrocity-hoaxes-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
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  148. Bumpkin says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, I notice you just linked to Carlson’s interview of Greenwald in the newslinks – please don’t link to youtube videos when rumble, twitter or other freer speech platforms are hosting the same video:

  149. Wokechoke says:
    @John Johnson

    Taking in all the Palestinians and moving them next door to you sounds grand!

  150. @Tom Welsh

    Agree with what you said about indigenous people “visited” by Europeans. As to the Jews in Israel… There is actually some tension because not all agree with the “new migrants” since WW2.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rLFUzrzMwGc

  151. Anyone else think that the shooting in Jerusalem (allegedly) by two West Bank Palestinians could be a ‘false flag’ – designed to provide spurious justification for Bibi & Co to relaunch the full-scale attack(s), now extended to the West Bank?

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