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The American dissident right has a strong interest in South Africa, as far as a template for America’s future, as Whites face becoming a minority. Afrikaner commentator, Dan Roodt, described South Africa as the canary in the coal mine for the West. The American left also has an interest in South Africa’s politics, especially the anti-Apartheid struggle, as Americans tend to treat other nations as proxies for their domestic political issues. Regardless, there are some parallels to South Africa with Democrats proposing a truth and reconciliation committee and racial quotas at government agencies and corporations becoming more like South Africa’s BEE (Black Economic Empowerment).
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After a long silence about South Africa’s problems since the fall of Apartheid, mainstream Western publications have been recently reporting on the breakdown of South Africa. For instance, Bloomberg News proclaimed South Africa was on the verge of chaos last year and the BBC quoted an ANC politician who said that South Africa could become a failed state. South Africa is one of many nations at risk of collapse, as the Global South is facing a crisis caused by debt and breakdowns in supply chains, and South Africa is one of 17 nations at risk of state fragility in 2024.
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American right-wingers hyperbolically use the term White genocide, to describe South Africa, as well as the situation in America. However, the mainstream human rights organization, Genocide Watch, places South Africa in the 6th Stage of Genocide, which is polarization. This is due to attacks on White farmers but also xenophobic attacks on African immigrants, with the perpetrators being South African police and the leftist Black Nationalist, Economic Freedom Fighters. Farm attacks have surged after the EFF’s Julius Malema chanted “Kill the Boer.” The next stage for genocide is preparation.
However, a systematic genocide, like the Rwandan Genocide, is not likely in South Africa, and I have noticed this narrative more from the online American right than from South Africans. This is because, unlike Rwanda with a clear Hutu majority, South Africa’s Black population is divided up into many ethnic groups which do not trust nor care much for each other. South Africa’s geography and population are so dispersed, with Whites concentrating in the Cape region. The Cape’s dominant mixed-race Coloured population, would likely ally with Whites if there was an ethnic sectarian conflict. However, Whites in urbanized parts of Gauteng (Johannesburg and Pretoria), as well as Durban would be vulnerable in a collapse scenario.
South Africa has not really had a full-blown ethnic sectarian conflict, and even the 2021 Durban riots, proved that revolutionary forces just don’t have the competency to carry out a genocide. For a systematic genocide to occur, South Africa’s main Black ethnic groups would have to unite under one anti-White banner and be well organized, which is not to say impossible but not a likely scenario. What is likely is an increase in racially motivated violent crime, rioting and looting, and anarcho-tyranny, with the State refusing to prosecute anti-White violence. Basically, South Africa is non-stop, low-intensity civil unrest and high crime but they never get big events like civil wars or revolutions.
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South Africa’s major problems include a water crisis, a cholera outbreak, collapsing ports, and an energy crisis (load shedding), which in particular is tremendously harming the economy. South Africa’s rate of economic growth has come to a standstill, South Africa has tanked in its corruption index and is rated by the World Bank as the country with the highest wealth inequality. South Africa also has one of the World’s highest unemployment rates at 32.1%, and an astonishing 59.4% rate for youth.
While South Africa’s inflation rate is only 5.6% and its debt to GDP rate is 65.81%, which isn’t the worst in the world, the high unemployment rate and energy crisis will lead to more debt. Not to mention that the US Fed rate hikes will increase interest on debt for indebted Third World nations. South Africa’s financial system was grey-listed for financial backing of Islamic terrorism, and also probably as punishment for South Africa’s alliance with Russia. However, South Africa’s massive gold reserves have somewhat helped offset economic problems, including the debt.
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With this year’s election, there is a power vacuum with the ruling party, the African National Congress (ANC), plunging in support. This election will likely be the first ever that the ANC fails to get over 50% of the vote. Under a Parliamentary System, the opposition parties are also very fractured, with the main parties being the neoliberal centrist Democratic Alliance, which represents minorities, the EFF, and former president Jacob Zuma’s MK Party, which represents Zulus and is very radical. There is also a rightwing Zulu party, the Inkatha_Freedom_Party and an Afrikaner Nationalist Party, Freedom Front Plus. Since the ANC will be forced to form a caucus, caucusing with the DA could have a moderating or decelerationist impact while caucusing with either the EFF or the MK Party, or perhaps both, will push South Africa’s regime in a much more radical and militantly anti-White direction. For instance, land appropriation without compensation.
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South Africa is experiencing a slow-motion collapse and has taken much longer to collapse than many anticipated. South Africa is an 80% Black country that is very “Woke” by non-Western standards, so it should have long since collapsed by all metrics, according to Western right-wingers but somehow it hasn’t. If South Africa does not collapse, it totally discredits accelerationism and shows how long the American system can be sustained with a managed decline. South Africa serves as a grim reminder about how dysfunctional and shitty a State can be while still existing and exerting power over the populace.
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South Africa has bubbles where well-off Whites live that are basically First World on a small scale. South Africa’s upper middle class and wealthy have a high quality of life, despite the dangers and potential of becoming targets of the regime. However, these bubbles are maintained by extensive private security and lots of servants. Not to mention White flight, such as from Gauteng to the Western Cape serving as a safety valve.
While South Africa is overall dangerous, it has not gotten to a critical mass where most of the wealthy feel a dire need to get out. While South Africa lost about 11k millionaires over the past decade, South Africa has recently become a magnet for digital nomads from Europe and the US. Also, because real estate is so cheap while the South African Rand is weak, a lot of the wealthy are hesitant to downsize from a massive estate to something much more modest in say London, Sydney, Vancouver, or California.
The dissident right assumes that once demographics reach a certain tipping point or the economy tanks, White normies will all get “red pilled” on race. However, even South Africa has a decent amount of Whites who are liberal on racial issues, with similar issues of upper-class Whites virtue signaling while throwing ordinary Whites under the bus. South Africa’s White elite made a deal with the new Black regime in order to retain their wealth, though this arrangement is unsustainable.
While the dissident right assumes that a more non-White America will collapse, it is plausible for things to get much worse for middle class Whites while America’s imperial core is sustained. Even California has not collapsed, after hemorrhaging its White Middle Class, and gets by with a Latino working-class and increasingly Asian managerial class.
The dissident right pontificates about whether America’s future will be like Brazil, South Africa, or Trudeau’s technocratic Canada. I foresee pockets of America that are like Brazil or South Africa, hypercompetitive company towns dominated by Asian and Indian immigrant managerial strivers, middle class Whites continuing to get squeezed out from both the top and the bottom, rural White conservatives becoming more tribal and totally isolated from major institutions, and the White upper class gatekeeping non-White strivers while sequestering certain zones away for themselves.
However, America is far from collapse and I predict that foreigners will continue to buy US stocks, treasury bonds, and real estate as a hedge against instability. Basically, America will benefit from other nations’ chaos and demise. Even the hyperbole about civil war feels more like political theater rather than a serious threat to elite power, and Americans are too sedentary to rebel.
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South Africa’s problems stem from trying to create a Western style nation-state that is also urbanized and a liberal democracy, out of many African tribes. Leftists are actually correct that the British Empire screwed things up by not respecting ethnic tribal boundaries, but unintentionally end up making an ethnonationalist argument. While I don’t think Apartheid was sustainable, South Africa would be better off carved up into smaller nations or under a decentralized confederacy of semi-autonomous regions.
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South Africa’s collapse will likely play out as a gradual breakdown of government services and in its place a more decentralized order of tribes and enclaves. Unlike America, South Africa lacks a strong administrative state, and segments of Afrikaners are well organized for a post-collapse situation. This ironically is hopeful for those who desire self-determination. South Africa’s Civic Nationalist Cape Independence movement or even an independent Afrikaner nation, like the Orania movement, has some chance at happening while the chances that California and Texas, or let alone any ethnic separatist movements, have of becoming independent nations are nil.
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Things will have to get way worse here before whites start standing together. The majority of whites still live to a higher standard of life than the average black. Too much to lose to rock the boat. Add to that digital entertainments, sports and other distractions.
There are those who plan ahead, and the 2021 riots showed that minority enclaves like white or Indian neighbourhoods were able to organize resistance to black riots and keep the destruction at a distance in cities. Afrikaners have survived amongst hostile neighbours, doing our own thing for hundreds of years. We are built for survival here. The last paragraph of the article is especially true. There is opportunity in the Bantu’s weaknesses, and the threat they pose keeps us more together than whites in other countries. We won’t get the opportunity to stay true to our heritage if we were to flee to the West or Russia, for instance, we would be more likely to get assimilated if surrounded by more functional cultures.
I spend some time on sites like TUR because it seems that people in a lot of other countries are nowadays closer to the abyss than we are here. I feel very little fear of the black man, because I know my ancestors have faced worse odds in the past.
First off, whites are more concentrated in the Gauteng region of South Africa, not the Cape region. Its the coloured population, which exceeds the number of whites, who are concentrated in Cape region of South Africa, something like 80-90% of coloureds are in the Cape region. Then the coloured mixed race population is mostly of Khoisan heritage, so they consider themselves to be First Nation in South Africa, and everyone else, including the blacks, to be settlers in South Africa. All the blacks in South Africa come from the Nigerian part of the world, and migrated down south during the Bantu migration.
Then how can South Africa be America’s future? South Africa is majority black while America is majority white. South Africa’s pending collapse is caused by black management excellence, America’s pending collapse is all planned.
There is definitely no white genocide in South Africa, its basically just the levels of crime which is impacting everyone, as the author says, “South Africa is non-stop, low-intensity civil unrest and high crime”, with some spurts of localised high intensity unrest every few years or so.
South Africa’s slow-motion collapse is never ending, the white private sector is forever trying to assist the black government in stemming some parts of the collapse, be it on the electricity or water side, or even fixing up the roads. Some say a proper collapse would lead to some regions of South Africa becoming independent quicker, like the Cape region, but the majority white party in South Africa, the Democratic Alliance (DA), most definitely does not want a divided South Africa, it wants a united South Africa with everyone suffering the same inside it. In this the majority white party, the DA, the reigning opposition party, is in full agreement with the biggest black party, the governing ANC. Its almost as if the 2 biggest parties in South Africa are both being guided by the same invisible hand.
South African Whites would have been better off if they had concentrated in a small part of the country where they could be a majority as a separate nation. Instead they wanted a lot of Blacks around to do the jobs they did not want to do.
Wasn’t it at one time the richest country in the world? Didn’t take long
The problem for white Christian peoples globally is that they have absolutely zero espirit de corps – indeed, they actually have negative spirit of ethnic cohesion and self-love. Whites are absolutely terrified to express any kind of ethnic self-love or solidarity and regard all such sentiments as evil. This is an attitude which you find especially among elite whites who are, not coincidentally, also the most indoctrinated by Jewish-controlled media and academia.
This is not constitutional to whites and nor is it an inevitable consequence of Christianity. There are plenty examples of white Christian states which were capable of maintaining a strong sense of patriotism and ethnic solidarity. Indeed, it’s been rather the norm for the last 2000 and the present attitudes are the exception.
(The only manner in which whites gentiles are presently allowed to show any kind of tribal solidarity is in supporting Israel’s war crimes in Gaza and in rooting for their favorite team of dindus running around a sportsball court – both of which are completely cucked forms of tribalism – which is why they’re permitted.)
This is in stark contrast to Jews who love their own kind and assiduously work for the benefit of their tribe – typically at great expense to their host.
Why are white Christians ethnomasochists? It’s primarily because Jewish-controlled media has conditioned them to be. Whites have internalized Jewish attitudes by consuming Jewish media. Jews hate and mock white Christians – especially conservative white Christians – and whites have learned the same attitude.
Furthermore, Jews have promoted the Holocaust and slavery into the secular religion and Founding Myths of the modern white Christian West. The Founding Myth of the West has become one of their own supposed villainy.
Now the foundational ideology of the West is not “what would Jesus do”* (unless it’s “give your country away” and “be a cuck”) but “what would Hitler not do?” Whatever Hitler advocated is by definition “bad.” Loving your people? Bad. Keeping out foreigners? Bad. Calling out Jews for being oligarchic, nepotistic misanthropes bent on inverting healthy Christian norms and dissolving their host nation so they can slurp up its liquified guts with their probiscis-like snouts? Bad. Acknowledging Jewish power at all? Bad.
Whites are completely mind-fucked by Jewry. Jews and Jewish power (particularly in media and education) are at the absolute center of the problem for Western man. Everything else is a symptom.
Westerners will be saved only when the root cause of their problems is addressed. The problem is Jews – which means dealing with the Jewish problem. Everything else is just a symptom. Talking about LGBT, social issues, economics, homelessness, drugs, fertility and even race and immigration is just dealing with symptoms. All of these are only problems because of the Jews.
The Jews are the problem from which all the others spring. Nothing else can be truly addressed until you deal with the Jews.
Some people complain about “anti-Semites” being “obsessed” with Jews. But this “obsession” is completely appropriate, just as if you discovered that you’d been injected with a fatal does of venom you’d be “obsessed” with finding and administering the vial of antivenom. It’s a Code Red situation and nothing else matters. Being obsessed is the completely appropriate response. Nothing else can be dealt with until you find the fvcking antivenom. Nothing else can be addressed until you deal with the Jews.
If you’re not talking about the Jewish problem then you might as well be masturbating for all the good that you’re doing. Focus. The Jews are the problem. Concentrate on that.
* Btw, Jesus may have advised his disciples to turn the other cheek but he also chased the money changers out of the temple and he also admonished against casting your pearls before swine – don’t give your countries away to ungrateful foreigners white man. Christians need to find their spine again and stop selectively quoting all the wimpy passages of the Bible to rationalize surrendering at every opportunity.
Wait til that idiot zuma starts stealing from hymie. Ha ha hymie. Your jew third world putsch will kill you. South Africa is leading the charge for genocide conviction of ZOG Palestine. Nice to see the DIEvershitty helping out ZOG the way it is supposed to help out White Men. Hymie is so stupid he will give the knives the fine young cannibals need to butcher him and his stupid suicide cult.
I’m a man of few words and they are…I hate niggers. Thank you.
Comparing the US and South Africa is rather like that tiresome chestnut of seeing us as a latter-day Weimar Germany. The US is (or was) a white majority country with an imported African minority. South Africa is a black region subjugated by an alien European minority. If American Indians had not died like flies when exposed to European diseases, there might have been a valid equivalence. As it is, our race problem was fostered by profit-hungry regional oligarchs; South Africa’s is home-grown.
Don’t forget,in south Africa, the Indians joined with the black to pillage the country. Indians, being descended from India, are inherently corrupt and are masterminds behind corruption
Nearly all the blekks arrived in SA after the whites, actually.
This almost makes it seem like the ex-USA is South Africa’s future rather that the other way around.
Agreed, whites as a conglomeration of European ethnic groups much prefer competition amongst themselves as apposed to cooperation, we are bar none the most mercenary of the races.
Just look at the way the EU treats it’s own citizens with contempt.
The only time we band together is when their is a clear and present physical threat to our ethnic group. So we can therefor be easily defeated by other covert means. Our I’m alright Jack attitude keeps us divided and impotent.
Whether you live in South Africa or the USA or anywhere else, if you are a member of the elite then you are just fine and dandy thank you very much, get the point.
It’s class warfare pure and simple, skin color and isms are red herrings.
The entire western world will end up a schizoid zombie grey mass compliments of our enlightened and exceptional elites.
Isn’t that exactly what the whites in the United States should have done too?
The problem is that the modern lifestyle contains within it the seeds of its own destruction. Take a typical city couple with 2 kids, they are going to need someone cleaning the house on a daily basis, so that the parents can come home to relax after a hard days work. Then they need someone to look after the garden and the pool, as the grass isn’t going to cut itself nor is the pool going to clean itself. Then some parties need to happen over the weekend so another person is needed to assist with household duties as well. Now the couple have 2 kids but their assistants will have more than 2 kids each. So over time the population numbers of the assistants far exceeds the population numbers of the couple’s demographics. In a few generations the kids are a minority in their own city, and get diversity blessed. So a modern day successful lifestyle ultimately leads to its own downfall. Modern women don’t want to stay at home and keep the house clean, modern men can’t earn enough to keep the wife at home and the wife and kids with all the modern conveniences. No-one wants to practice the less is more principal when it come to modern consumerist societies, so the short term benefits of the modern lifestyle just lead to extermination by lessor capable mortals in the long term.
In its agricultural beginning slaves outnumbered the masters 50 to one on a small farm in America. I wonder if the Caribbean sugar crop could have been achieved with European workers. Would the death rates have made this impossible.
America has a far worser future than South Africa, I list some of the reasons in order of being the most impactful.
1) Since the USA is a ZOG state, it will be forced to clamp down ever harder on the growing gulf between the jew rulers and the brown masses. Unlike places like North Korea, that can at least maintain harmony in its totalitarianism, non of these benefits will exist in America.
2) The blacks in South Africa were always poor, so how things are now are hardly different to their past, revolutions don’t tend to arise from such conditions. Now compare this to ZOG states, as the US dollar facade ends and the fake wealth vanishes, it should be easy to predict how people react when they realize they are actually poor.
3) Like the rest of Africa, things like China, BRICS and growing trade amongst third world countries has significantly offset racial variables that determine the wealth of nations. America on the other hand will be forced to increasingly isolate itself from world trade.
4) America is a much bigger territory and much more diverse population than South Africa, this makes it way more unstable than anything that South Africa can muster.
Best comment I’ve seen perhaps ever.You said it all and 100% correctly.Whites have become mental Jews.They are so conditioned that they need permission to even think.I must add that none of us are immune to this non-stop Satanic Jewish brain destruction but some of us make the effort to resist mightily.God will not desert us and we must all bow before Christ.The filthy Jews are riding high but their day is coming.They mock my Savior and they are my eternal enemies.They hate Whites because we are God’s image and we love Him and His Son.Hate is healthy when it is hating the enemies of the Cross.We must trust in the good Lord to give us the change of events we need.I have faith.Once again a superb comment.I thank you.
The religions of the world have sold out to the governments (mostly jews) of the world, especially america. Waiting for an religious answer is counterproductive. Identifying the disease is key to eliminating it. What is the vehicle of jewish power, it certainly isn’t their physical prowess or intellect. It’s their high-jacking of government (& monetary systems that go with it).