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We have all seen graphs like this one.

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Over thousands of years, the human population inches upwards and then after the Industrial Revolution, it shoots up, with no end in sight. We imagine a nightmare world of people stuffed liked sardines into mass-produced, identical houses, eventually smothering in each other’s waste.

Many people still think this is our future. They’re wrong. With birthrates falling, the human population could now be close to as high as it will ever get. Here are two projections, one from 1981 on the left, and one from 2019 on the right.

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The one from 1981 projected no population declines. The one from 2019 projects declines in India, China, Latin America, and Europe — and an explosion in Africa. The projected increase for North America is, of course, though immigration.

If the projection on the right were updated, it would probably show even sharper declines outside of Africa. Europe and East Asia already have more deaths than births, and unless birthrates suddenly rise, there will be a sharp die-off.

There is a serious natalist movement for people who want the species to carry on, and it held a conference last weekend in Austin, Texas. This is from the promotion material:

By the end of the century, nearly every country on earth will have a shrinking population, and economic systems dependent on reliable growth will collapse. Thousands of unique cultures and populations will be snuffed out.

I attended.

I learned from attendees that many natalists are very worried about any association with “white supremacy.” Liberals already think they are dangerous freaks, and the conference had already prompted such headlines as “The Eugenic Circus Comes to Town,” and “The US pro-birth conferences’ links to far-right eugenicists.” In fact, there was only the faintest possible whiff of eugenics about the program and nothing explicitly or even implicitly racial. Nevertheless, the natalists’ ideas about how to increase birthrates will work for anyone. I learned a lot, and I think anyone who cares about the survival of Europeans or who just has a long-term view will, too.

In what follows, I summarize the presentations without commentary. I have included almost nothing about the speakers’ backgrounds, but the links lead to the sites to which the conference organizers linked the speakers’ names.

Kevin Dolan, one of the conference organizers, set the tone. We are here, he said, to solve a problem more serious than global warming: the collapse of birthrates. “Will your children have children of their own?” This is not just an economic problem of not having enough people to pay for our retirements, not just a future glut of abandoned houses rather than a housing shortage. What we are seeing is “the bubble of all bubbles,” and if it pops suddenly, everything we think of as civilization will collapse with it.

Mr. Dolan noted that this problem is not self-correcting, and the results can be either catastrophic or managed. Japan and South Korea, with their falling populations, are probably the best examples of how to “let the air out of the balloon slowly,” but this is nothing more than “an orderly, managed retreat from the planet.” Demographic collapse will be much harder for countries “that got old before they got rich,” such as China, Russia, and Brazil. In the United States, immigration keeps the population growing, but this only puts off the inevitable.

Mr. Dolan said he has two girls and two boys, but feels that he “caught the last train out.” The social infrastructure that used to help people have children has broken down, and even young people who want children are rudderless. Only 10 percent of people who end up childless consciously didn’t want children; society left them that way. It is easy for men to blame women and vice versa, but the problem is much larger.

Life is beautiful, he concluded, and we must make sure it continues.

The first speaker, who calls himself Raw Egg Nationalist, spoke remotely with a British accent. His theme was that the fertility crisis is not just social but also chemical, and an important culprit is endocrine disruptors (EDs). Also known as hormonally active agents, these are chemicals that interfere with hormone balance.

These substances were first produced artificially 100 years ago, and are now everywhere: in food, cosmetics, the oceans, the atmosphere. They pass through the blood/brain barrier and are found even in breast milk. Often, they are microplastics, which are tiny by design, but become even smaller through decay.

Many ED plastics have no safety record at all. We know nothing about their long-term health effects, nor how long they stay in the body. The plastics industry should end its standard of “safe until otherwise proven.”

EDs mimic estrogen and disrupt the hormonal balance in men and women throughout their lives.

Studies in animals, rats, fish, and amphibians show that ED exposure can lead to such things as birth defects, miscarriages, low sperm counts, early puberty, certain cancers, neurological abnormalities, and obesity.

Raw Egg recommended a book by Shanna Swan on this subject called Countdown. Testosterone levels are plummeting in both sexes. It is possible that due to ED hormonal disruptions, the median sperm count in men could fall to zero by 2045, and our species may find it impossible to reproduce naturally.

ED production should be sharply controlled, but in the meantime, you can limit exposure by cutting out plastics as much as possible, especially in food containers. Get as much plastic as possible out of your house. Stop eating processed food. Filter your water. Cook your own food — organic, if possible — and don’t eat processed food. Exercise and saunas are good, because sweating drives poisons out of your body. EDs are stored in fat, so lose weight. Women should stop using cosmetics and personal-care products; going cold turkey can quickly and substantially reduce EDs excreted in the urine.

Malcom and Simone Collins are a husband-and-wife team who stood at the mic together and alternated speaking. They said that if the fertility declines we have seen from 2010 to 2020 continue, every 100 Americans will produce only four great-grandchildren. Worldwide fertility has been crashing at such a rate that even India has fallen below replacement level. Muslim countries used to have high birth rates, but even Iran, for example, has fallen below replacement.

Preaching fertility may be a waste of time because it will not change society, but we can change ourselves and the small groups of which we are parts. What we must demand from society, however, is the right to religious and cultural independence for communities, and the right to homeschool children. The ultimate prize for people who succeed in this will be many grandchildren who love your culture, but natalist communities will have to defend their right to be different, even despised.

A heathy society creates networks that encourage dating, marriage, and childbearing. It used to be possible to insulate a pro-natalist group from America — the Amish, Traditional Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Mormons — but the internet makes that much harder. However, being surrounded by and resisting what the Collinses calls “the monoculture” can sharpen your own culture and make it more resilient. You should also pay attention to other successful groups and copy what works.

The two warned that you cannot shelter your children. They will be exposed to every poison, no matter how vile. You must anticipate this and inoculate them psychologically. The Amish are maintaining their numbers in the teeth of a raging “monoculture” and, if anything, their defection rate is declining. They have the practice of Rumspringa, in which teenagers are allowed out into the “gentile” world so they can know it and make a conscious choice to return. That outside world is now so repulsive that hardly any young Amish are drawn to it.

High birth rates are invariably associated with religious faith, yet faith is dying. At the same time, the digitally-driven “monoculture” is far more sophisticated than any previous ideology at undermining traditional ways. Therefore, it will be those rare tech savvy, pro-natalist groups that will inherit the future. Today’s “urban monoculture” is self-centered to the point of deriding motherhood. Thus, it can’t maintain its numbers unless it poaches children from people who have them.

A pro-natal mentality is one of discipline and self-control, and gives rise to such traditions as Lent and Ramadan. Natalists save rather than spend, and are faithful to the ways of the past. They have a culture of material scarcity whereas, as we see all around the world, the end of scarcity destroys both tradition and fertility.

Contraception can be dangerous; the pill has many bad side effects. Banning abortion may lead to a slight uptick in births, but fertility then drops back to where it was. In any case, abortion is for people who conceive by mistake, and we don’t want people having children by accident. Society must be structured so that people want to have children.

How you behave around your spouse has a powerful effect on whether your children want to have children. Husbands should make their wives look like stars to their daughters, and wives should make their husbands look like heroes to their sons. Women naturally want children very, very much. In the past, they risked terrible pain in childbirth and even death. This is the instinct we must revive.

Ben Braddock noted that falling fertility is not unprecedented. The late Roman Empire had a terrible collapse, with the best having the fewest children. “The human harvest was bad.” For almost all of human history, population growth was slow; the past 300-year boom is an anomaly. Modernity created tremendous wealth and also ended most cases of infant mortality. Medical people like to take the credit, but good sewage and clean water were more important than vaccines — though antibiotics certainly contributed to population growth.

We are now approaching total antibiotic resistance. Some strains of gonorrhea are now almost impossible to kill. It is easy to forget that it was not just the pill that uncoupled sex from consequences. By reducing the damage from venereal diseases, antibiotics also helped bring on the sexual revolution. Exposure to antidepressants in the womb makes the children more likely to have mental illness, and more and more women are using them.

Human quality is declining, along with quantity. Even among the better specimens, there is high mutational load, because medicine saves weaker babies who in previous centuries would not have survived. Autism is a new disorder and is increasingly common. The causes are disputed, but taking Tylenol in pregnancy may increase autism in boys. Some people fear childbirth because they don’t want an autistic child.

Chemical birth control is bad for women. It reduces their testosterone, and if they don’t have enough, it lowers their libido and their ability to conceive as well as their openness even to the idea of having babies.

The decline in population is inevitable, but by choosing mates wisely, we can at least try to improve the quality of the children we have.

Michael Anton started with the basic problem: How does boy get girl? His talk was about the lessons a pickup artist might learn from Socrates’ only surviving dialogue with a woman. The lady was Theodote, a beautiful, high-class courtesan of the kind known as a hetaira. Every Athenian man was at her feet, but by the end of the dialogue, she is begging Socrates — the fat, ugly, penniless Socrates — to let her come see him.

According to Mr. Anton, Socrates had the spirit of the successful lady-killer, an “abundance mentality,” the assurance that there are so many women out there that any individual turndown doesn’t even count as a failure. Socrates genuinely didn’t care if she said “no.”

Socrates also befuddled her with his quick mind, setting logical traps for her. He also put her through what the pickup artist calls “compliance tests,” or making her follow his rules. The successful bar crawler doesn’t buy a woman a drink; he tells her to buy him one. Socrates led Theodote through the conversation in the same dominating way. He also used the “push/pull” technique of alternating between seeming interest and indifference. Running hot then cold only increases her interest in him. The fly so much becomes the spider that by the end of the dialogue, Socrates warns the desperate Theodote that she may come try to seem him, but he won’t talk to her if he is with people he finds more interesting.

Indian Bronson asked, “How do we make more, better people?” If you know your goals, you can work towards them. Solutions are easy to list but hard to achieve. We need: a bottom-heavy age pyramid, less fornication, early marriage, more marriage, more men in the workplace, grandparents who are young enough to help look after children.

In low-fertility countries, women end up having fewer children than they want. Everything in society must encourage family and childbirth. Even something as basic as affordable minivans makes it easier to have big families.

Young people must know that every choice forecloses others. For a woman, becoming a doctor means her chances of having a large family are practically zero. Also, most lady doctors retire by age 40, and don’t have much to show for their ambitions.

Many countries have successfully fought teenage pregnancy, without realizing that these measures also turn off fertility until women are in their late 20s.

It is important to establish communities of parents who live close to each other and who check up on each other. The grandparents’ generation must be close by and ready to help. Boomers who spend their “golden years” on cruise ships will not have grandchildren.

There was a panel discussion between Jonathan Anomaly, Kevin Dolan, and Malcom and Simone Collins about the link between religion and fertility. The link is undisputed. We are inherently a religious species, and religion is pro-natal, even if it requires believing implausible things. Smart young people who want to have children may even think that going through the motions of religion will help, but Mr. Dolan argued that faith can’t be faked: “You can’t decide to believe in God in order to have children.” Unfortunately, the irreligious who do want big families rarely cooperate with devout believers.

Is there a substitute or proxy for religion that stimulates child-bearing? Some of the ancients believed that loyalty to the group was enough to encourage large families.

Most people have no belief in anything, and this is terrible. Many people now say the planet would be better with no people, and there are even churches that are anti-natalist. The Collinses say they have invented a personal religion of traditions into which they have injected a faith in which they now believe.

How do you get your children to have children if you have no religion? Does any metaphysical bond qualify as religion? Even traditional religions have lost their power. How many Catholics live lives grounded in the faith?

Evolutionary psychologist Diana Fleishman gave a talk on the “sterilizing meme” that children are fragile. These memes are widespread ideas that discourage child-bearing. Examples would be that women need PhDs, or that if you have children, you will never be carefree and happy or able to retire.

The children-are-fragile meme warns that a single misfortune or mistake by parents could wreck a child. In fact, children are resilient, and can come through many bad experiences without permanent scars. Studies of identical twins reared apart show that there are many ways to rear children, but the results are much the same.

Prof. Fleishman explained the respective contributions of genes, shared environment, and non-shared environment to how a person turns out. In the long run, the family, or “shared environment,” doesn’t count for that much, so we don’t have to micromanage children — in fact, we can’t. As they get older, they become more like the genetic patterns we gave them, and are less likely to follow the rules we thought we laid down for them.

Father-absence is supposed to be awful and to turn boys, especially, into a psychopaths, but the problem is not the absent father per se, but the genes that made him walk out and were left in his children. If the father would have stuck around but died, children are not nearly so afflicted. Helicopter parenting and excessive “safetyism” do no good. Lefties are more worried about protecting their children from life, while “trad” parents believe in hard knocks, so long as they don’t open arteries. If a child’s problems are things people coped with in the evolutionary environment — violence, seeing Mom and Dad have sex, meeting crazy people, missed meals — chances are, children will be fine.

Groomers and drag-queen story hour are not the threat you think they are, and woke schools probably won’t warp your children. Some people fear that gestation in a surrogate womb is awful for children, but the children seem to come out alright. Their parents are usually rich, so they probably got good genes. Even daycare probably won’t hurt your children, though the data are mixed. It may even be that the good effects of “trad” parents are due to genes and not a real environmental benefit. If, within broad, non-psychotic parameters, there were a reliably terrible way to rear children, there would be data on that. Finally, what toddlers naturally want to eat is probably good for them.

What does hurt children is isolation. Moreover, we have not evolved to resist social media or endocrine disrupters (see above). One of the little-known unpleasant effects of internet dating is that people with mental illnesses find each other and have children.

Once you have the right mate, structure your life to have more children rather than structuring your life around the one or two you have.

Pat Fagen explained how to have large, happy families and many grandchildren. All humans find great joy in the marriages of their children, and the more God, love, and religion there is in a home, the more often that blessed event will take place. The less of these, the fewer children and grandchildren; love of spouse is as important as love of God.

Mr. Fagen reported that even when other things are controlled for, children in intact families that worship weekly get the best grades. Couples in such families have the most sex and the most orgasms while they are at it. Charismatic pastors who can fill churches every week are doing society a great service.

One recent finding is of the importance of fathers holding their babies to their chests, skin to skin. Even just 15 minutes a day is reported to deepen attachment and have many benefits. Mom watching Dad holding her baby that way is also very good for her.

Mr. Fagen spoke about “the strategic importance of fatherhood — how do you rear boys to be great husbands and fathers?” The best sex education for a boy is to see his father treat his mother with affection and respect, but fathers should also talk frankly about sex with their sons.

One of the greatest gifts fathers can give children is to play with them — and as children want to play, not as adults may. It’s a huge confidence builder for a child to see delight in his father’s eyes at even the smallest achievements.

Teenagers should be encouraged to talk openly about what kind of person they hope to have in a spouse — marriage should be a taken-for-granted goal for all of them.

Mr. Fagen recommends that children learn to dance. This is an innocent but instructive way for the sexes to mix and is a pleasure to be enjoyed well into old age.

Children need friends — ideally, many within walking distance. This makes community important. There should be people nearby who share your values. At puberty, this group of people may well become future spouses. You should have a community of friends who have many children whom you would be glad for your children to marry. Dinner time should be a sacred time for the entire family to be together.

Britt Benjamin is a divorced woman who works as a California divorce lawyer. Her subject was how no-fault divorce destroys lives and depresses birth rates. She says most marriages can be saved if both sides try as hard as possible to save it. No one is perfect; we are all “full of snakes.” We must learn to deal with the snakes as best we can and enjoy to the full what’s best about our spouses. No-fault divorce, which lets couples separate on a whim, means “men and women have given up the greatest tool for personal growth.”

No-fault divorce also means that the most important contract most of us will ever sign is the only one for which there is no penalty for breaking it. Another consequence of no-fault divorce is that outright fault no longer counts. Your spouse can abandon you, have flagrant affairs, introduce your children to pornography; this makes no difference in how a judge settles your case.

No-fault divorce started in California and spread to most of the country. As it spread, fertility dropped. This makes sense because the value of marriage drops if there is no penalty for ending it, and this makes marriage a bad bet. Spouses must wake up every day and decide to choose each other all over again.

Divorce deprives children of their fundamental birthright of a stable home with two parents. As Miss Benjamin has followed families through divorce, she has seen how awful it is for children. It also destroys the extended family and is almost always a financial disaster.

Miss Benjamin dispelled the myth that men don’t often get custody. Their problem is that they often don’t ask for it; when they do, they get it 70 to 75 percent of the time. She also reported that divorce is more common in Republican than in Democrat states, but could not explain why — perhaps because there are more marriages to begin with.

If no-fault divorce were to end, would there be more marriage because people could count on it as a permanent bond, or would there be less because people were afraid to chain themselves to another?

Finally, Miss Benjamin reported that matchmaking can be good. Your parents know who you are but don’t have your adolescent traumas, so they may choose more wisely than you would.

Peechy Keenan is the pen name of a woman who contributes to The American Mind and to The Federalist. She is a convert to Catholicism from liberal feminism. She pointed out that having a big family is almost taboo — it is for hicks and religious nuts. Even so, many “normies” like the idea big families and are selective about which ones they scorn. Liberals scoffed at Sarah Palin’s five children with their trailer-park names; no one ever criticized Nancy Pelosi for having five. For the people who have decided that two is the right number, your five are an affront — or are they a threat?

However, the war with the anti-natalists is a war against an enemy that shoots its own soldiers: Fear of climate change will keep liberal birthrates low. “[Pro-natalists] have seized the means of reproduction.”

Miss Keenan is happy to see “trad” families having large families, but says they can’t do it alone. We need smart, tech-types who also want big families. “We even have to market natalism to the midwits, to the Swifties,” so it is very helpful when celebrities make a splash by having four or five children. We have to encourage natalism to more people but they have to be sane people.

Miss Keenan noted that the city of Austin is full of nice-looking women of marriageable age: “We need to push them off their ebikes into minivans full of toddlers.” She looks forward to a time when “maternity maxing will become a full-blown trend, not a luxury lifestyle.”

Charles Haywood talked about the need for “men-only spaces.” Masculinity is in a crisis; there are too many feminized men. You don’t get children unless men behave like men, and no matter how they are educated, women love masculine men.

Everyone recognizes what masculinity is. A man provides, protects, competes, is decisive and prone to action. Competition is central to masculinity: “When a man walks up to a group of men, at least part of his brain is asking, ‘Can I kick these guys’ asses?’ ” All these aspects of masculinity go into making babies.

For the past 60 years, society has tried to domesticate boys and destroy the masculine in men. And to become men, boys must spend time face to face with men. You don’t learn how to become a man by reading how in the “manosphere.”

Men need places that are for men only, and women should stay out. Even low-testosterone groups, such as bowling leagues and model-railroad clubs, used to be all male and should stay that way. But the best groups for building men are based on masculine pursuits: hunting trips, gun clubs, canoe expeditions, jiujitsu and boxing clubs.

There may be some hope for old-line male organizations such as the Moose, Elks, Rotary, Lions, and Masons, but most are dying. Men’s groups at churches are usually worthless. They invariably try to “elevate” women, are consensus-driven, and apologize for existing.

Workplaces used to be functionally segregated by sex; we should go back to that. On the job, men should be able to favor each other for promotion, especially men with families. Unfortunately, that’s against the law; all anti-discrimination laws should be abolished.

Masculinity must be positive. You can be a criminal and very masculine. Healthy masculinity is clearly something different from thuggery, even though some women claim they are the same thing: “The actual meaning of masculinity has been destroyed by vampire feminists.”

Razib Khan started with a demography lesson. He put a world map on the screen that showed how thinly populated the Americas are, and explained that the hemisphere’s population is now relatively steady but will fall.

East Asia is in catastrophic decline. South Korea has a total fertility rate (TFR) of 0.7, and in Seoul, the figure is 0.34. The 30 percent of the Korean population that is Christian doesn’t seem to help. Southerners may jeer at their communist neighbors, but TFR in North Korea is a much healthier 1.9. In a few decades, South Korea could disappear.

Mormons used to be the big exception to falling birth rates, but their TFR has crashed to a barely replacement-level 2.4.

Malthus was wrong to think food production increased arithmetically while population increased exponentially, and that mass starvation was inevitable. Famine has been largely abolished and wealth brought fewer children, not more.

In the United States, middle-class people could easily have much larger families; they would just have to cut out the luxuries they think are necessities.

Israel has managed to keep its birthrates above replacement; the orthodox have big families and even secular Jews have 2.3 children per woman. Cultural competition can spur childrearing; Israelis know that Israel cannot survive without Jews.

National fertility rates don’t tell the whole story. In Bulgaria, Gypsies are far more fertile than anyone else. In 40 years, the country could be half Gypsie.

Mr. Khan warned that new technology is inevitable. Traditional Catholics hate the idea, but there will be artificial wombs, starting with farm animals and then humans. Surrogate mothers and in-vitro fertilization will become normal. There are already 8 million “test tube” babies.

Proponents and opponents of the brave new world will have to build coalitions and work together. In the meantime, we can have more children ourselves and encourage those around us to do the same.

The final speaker was Balagi Srinavasan, Skyped in from Singapore. He estimated the cost of rearing a child in the United States at $230,000 and said the cost goes up more quickly than inflation. Reducing this figure should be an important national goal. He noted that in the West, fertility drops as income rises, except for the very rich, for whom large families are a luxury good.

Mr. Srinavasan listed three components to high fertility: God, the state, and technology. Everywhere, believers have more children than non-believers, and governments now play an important role. In Hungary, after a couple has its fourth child, it pays no income tax. This is a real, windfall-sized benefit, especially for people who make a lot of money, and some families build their careers around having that fourth child. Some economists argue that the increase in producers/consumers will mean subsidies pay for themselves.

In Singapore, Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yu tried to encourage large families, but it didn’t work. A few thousand dollars per child wasn’t enough.

China now knows its one-child policy was a disaster and is serious about having more births. Its leaders often take something that works in the West and expand it; IVF for the poor is an example. It is easy to imagine the government offering big, Hungary-style incentives for large families. In China, there will be no “ethical” worries about artificial wombs or embryo screening (fertilizing many of a woman’s eggs in vitro, testing the embryos, and choosing the best for implantation). It’s not hard to imagine semi-coercive measures to promote childbearing.

China has an important advantage: It is 92 percent Han. China also does not hesitate to inculcate patriotism, even to stoke hostility towards neighbors and the West. If a determined, authoritarian government promotes natality on all fronts, it could forestall the collapse that everyone else faces.

At the local level, community is crucial. People with the same values must live close to each other and support each other through such things as cooperative day-care.

As for the United States, Social Security will go bust. Young non-whites will not pay to support old whites.

On a global level, we need a new frontier where pioneers have elbow room and can have many children. With the internet, people can live and work anywhere. Eventually, we will go to space, but, for now, the oceans are a vast area that could be made livable and become the new frontier.

This was an enjoyable conference. I had been only vaguely aware of “pro-natalism” as a movement, and this was a chance to meet some of its leading figures. They are clearly smart, motivated people who are thinking both about human happiness and the future of our species.

It was also interesting to spend time with people who, though not nearly so reviled as white advocates, are open dissidents. I support all dissidents and these are peoples whose goals are easy to share. I suspect that this movement, with its emphasis on fulfillment, meaning in life, and expanding one’s horizons beyond the personal and selfish, has a bright future.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. If the answer is a return to a moral society and a conscious decision to forgo things like plastics . . . there’s not much hope for the future.

  2. Nico X says:

    Welcome to your overpopulated planet of scum & pollution. 7-8 billion nonwhites now & growing– all turning the world into one gargantuan garbage dump. Where did all this scum come from? For many aeons the planet’s population never exceeded 1 billion until the turn of the 20th century. Well, it was intentionally generated by the humanitarian & egalitarian ethics of Judaism/Christianity importing western medicine/aid/vaccines into Africa/Asia/Latin America over the past 100+ years. The major Chandala scum religions/ideologies (Judaism/Christianity/Islam/Communism)–whose morality, ideals & doctrines represent the preservation & proliferation of the unfit, outcast, nonwhite & dysgenic individuals/races, while evangelizing the diminution & elimination of the Aryan. So this is the cause of our present white plight.

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  3. Pythas says:
    @Nico X

    Truer words were never spoken…Nico X

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  4. Aragorn says:

    Don’t use condom.

  5. Actually there is an end in sight. The graph demonstrates a classic logarithmic curve. Typically they streak back down on the other side of the peak with the same rapidity they show in attaining it. Nature trims excess animal populations by epidemic disease or famine. We cannot escape this fate, any more than we can either save or destroy the planet itself.

    Years ago I read a sci-fi story that included a sobering corrective to the conceit humans have about how special and powerful we are: all people then alive would fit in a cube about a mile on a side (and I calculated it to confirm, allowing 6 cu ft per person). I suppose now that measure might be a mile and a quarter, but compared to say the 24,901 mile circumference of the planet, it kind of puts things in perspective.

  6. After reading this, the movie Idiocracy goes from disturbing to full blown horror.

  7. Catdog says:

    “In Hungary, after a couple has its fourth child, it pays no income tax.”

    This is also effectively the case in the USA, where the child tax credit for four children will cancel out tax liability up to around $100,000 of taxable net income. Unfortunately, we still have the regressive payroll taxes, state income taxes, property taxes, etc.

    My biggest problem with expanding my family is affording housing of sufficient size. The interest rate hike has really jacked up my future plans to buy a bigger house, and I must compete with people buying houses with yards just for their “fur-babies”. Before 2020 I planned to buy a big, cheap house out deep in a rural state. Now those are unaffordable.

    The price of health insurance for a family is also very high. Fortunately, pregnant women get medicaid, which will even pay for the birth (which will run even an insured woman $5-10k out of pocket).

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  8. Aragorn says:
    @Catdog

    In MORDOR, its like a “nuclear war” already have happen ! Much empty houses. They are not for “fur-babies”, they are for to pay rent to the bankers. As soon you are out from the city’s, the land is almost empty. But the cattle still not understand what the zero, The One Ring, is.
    I should want to build a little house, 20 square meters, but first you have to be a millionaire.
    Hang the regimes, the bureaucracy and the farmers. Destroy The One Ring.

  9. What happens to a product for which there is no demand? It ceases to be produced. That’s the so-called depopulation crisis in a nutshell. That’s why it’s occurring. Human females, born liars that they are, claim they “love” children and want more of them, but that’s not how they actually behave. If they really wanted more children, they wouldn’t use birth control or have abortions. In reality, people have always considered children an expensive burden. But now, owing to technological “progress”, that burden can be avoided through the use of scientific birth control methods, and so it is. Before, people pursued the intense pleasures of sex and children were an unavoidable and mostly unintended by-product of copulation. A demand for sex, not for children — that was Nature’s way. The demand for sex is still there as strong as ever, but now children can be avoided. Population collapse is just an unforeseen consequence of the widespread use of birth control.

    Marian Evans: “… new technology is inevitable. … there will be artificial wombs, starting with farm animals and then humans. Surrogate mothers and in-vitro fertilization will become normal.”

    Of course, it’s possible to attempt a technological fix to a problem caused by technology, but such solutions always cause problems of their own, and anyway, artificial wombs don’t address the problem of the lack of demand. The plainly-stated fact is that women simply don’t want children. Their reputation for being fond of them is overblown, just a lie. Even (or especially) in Western societies of abundance, and even when offered incentives to do so, they still refuse.

    Marian Evans: “Mr. Srinavasan listed three components to high fertility: God, the state, and technology.”

    No, there is only one component. Technology, or rather, its lack. The most straightforward solution would be to abolish all methods of birth control and abortion; to make their production or use a capital offense. Then fertility would rise back to its natural high level. Of course, politicians have more sense than to try that. Even in totalitarian regimes, they realize they’d all be hanging from lamp posts very soon after they passed such laws.

    • Replies: @HallParvey
  10. anon[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Are we not all aware of the club of rome’s limits to growth study? Recently updated yes?

  11. TG says:

    I could go on, but here is one major thing that people don’t get.

    If birthrates moderate because people are limiting themselves to only that number of children that they can support at a REASONABLE level – it could be 1, or 2, or 3, or more, it depends on the circumstance – that is a good thing, in fact, it is the foundation of basically every prosperous country.

    But if birthrates moderate because people are so miserably poor that it is physically impossible for them to have more than 2 kids each, that is a very bad thing. It’s the Malthusian apocalypse – population growth tracking foodgrain availability at a low level of subsistence, about 150 kg/person/year – and it’s real, it’s what’s happened to present day India and many other places.

    Anyone not making this distinction is completely missing the fundamentals of the issue.

    • Replies: @QCIC
  12. QCIC says:

    Apparently someone wanted to change the world. They relentlessly promoted small families and no families in the developed and partially developed world for 75 years or more. Surprise surprise, this had the intended effect.

    At the same time, they worked to greatly reduce infant mortality in the uncivilized places where this was the only thing keeping population in check.

    Combined with these two intentionally civilization-destroying paradigms they promoted every dysgenic influence which can be imagined.

    +++

    I am against test tube fertilization or artificial wombs. I assume babies created using these routes are missing something essential and irreplaceable. It is hubris to assume otherwise. Time will tell.

  13. QCIC says:
    @TG

    I disagree. In the developed world it is still easier to survive and raise kids than at any time in human history. This is why religious families of modest means can still raise lots of healthy kids. They simply haven’t been taken by the mind virus. I’m not saying parents need to be religious, they just need to focus on what is important.

    The costs of parenting you allude to are manipulated along with priorities. Sure raising kids with the modern tricks which stunt their growth on all levels may cost a lot. So don’t do all that nonsense. Really: in the USA contemporary education, medicine and nutrition are generally expensive disasters which have the opposite effect from what is desired and claimed.

  14. Aragorn says:

    Its not so easy to survive if you take poison shots in fake Pandemic.
    Of course, only a certain percentage is poison, its the system from the concentration camps with Kapos.

    Massive propaganda for to support the cannibal whores, to NOT have children, to NOT have sex, to do abortion and so on. Probably everything, the mass murder in the hospitals, have a good portion of “intraspecific aggression” in it, to hinder others in the same species to reproduce.

    Its not a very nice “society”

    About 100 to 150 years ago, they had 10 child in a earth-house.

  15. “Life is beautiful, he concluded…”

    Really? Where?

    Our ghastly cities? Nightmarish freeways? Plastic coated strip mall arterials? Red tide beaches?

    There’s some beauty out there, but not much. You have to pay a lot for it or get really far away from other human beings.

    And what with all the exotic imports, the freak show is just getting worse. The beautiful people are gone. Virtually everyone out there is fat. Women are fat, tatted up and dress in pajamas when they go out in public. Men slouch and shuffle. Half the population has a comfort dog that they wheel about in the box stores they shop at. Cheaper than a psychiatrist—and smarter. So there’s that.

    No one looks at one another. They’re too engrossed in their cell phones. They literally bump into stuff while walking and other cars while driving.

    A third of the population is, according to reports, on some sort of mood-altering prescription drug.

    Before you’ve even paid off your car, you will need and buy a new one. The majority of Americans die without having paid off their home mortgage.

    It’s no wonder they’ve thrown in the towel.

    What’s the point?

    • Replies: @HallParvey
  16. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Population collapse is just an unforeseen consequence of the widespread use of birth control.

    But that’s only in “civilized” parts of the world. Also to be considered must be the replacement of the “housewife” with the electrified house, which largely eliminated the need for housekeeping labor. Idle hands. Trouble in River City. Women working outside the home because they are no longer needed to cook, clean and maintain the nest.

    Notice the housewife character in “Mary Poppins”. Stirring up trouble. Because, being rich, she has no productive function at home. It’s been farmed out to domestics. Including Poppins.

  17. @ThreeCranes

    Our ghastly cities?

    Cities have, in many cases, outlived their reason to exist in the first place. They are due for return to nature. And they are. Rot is not pretty. Anywhere.

    Nightmarish freeways?

    Freeways were necessary to allow the workers to escape the “Ghastly Cities” where they worked.

    But it turns out that most of the “work” done in cities can be done at home, using electronic communication equipment. No more need for commuting. Elevated portions of freeways can evolve into homeless shelters for the dregs of society.

    Reduced commuting means less greenhouse gas, less global warming. A win, win situation.

    As of now, the only justification for the existence of some of the worlds cities is as tourist destinations or transfer points for the air traffic industry. Just one example, if it were not for Hartsfield-Jackson Airport, would there be any justification for the existence of Atlanta, Georgia.

  18. HallParvey: “Trouble in River City. Women working outside the home because they are no longer needed to cook, clean and maintain the nest.”

    Of course, the entry of women into the workforce on equality with men was only made possible by the perfection of birth control technologies. Then, having been made possible, in effect it became mandatory, since nations which adopt the new attitude of sex equality are able to field twice the workforce of nations which don’t, providing them with a crushing economic advantage. Thus, modern feminism was born. It sustains itself on the basis of this one innovation.

    It’s fascinating to note that the demise of the much-ballyhooed “maternal instinct” was predicted by Nicola Tesla. To the questionable extent that such a thing ever existed, its death is just another consequence of the development of scientific methods of birth control. In an interview in Collier’s magazine in 1926, Tesla said:

    “The acquisition of new fields of endeavor by women, their gradual usurpation of leadership, will dull and finally dissipate feminine sensibilities, will choke the maternal instinct, so that marriage and motherhood may become abhorrent and human civilization draw closer and closer to the perfect civilization of the bee.”

  19. Some people fear that gestation in a surrogate womb is awful for children, but the children seem to come out alright.

    So says Diana Fleishman. I happen to know an experienced Kindergarten/Pre-K teacher who works at a somewhat upmarket school who says that she can always identify the artificially conceived/gestated children and not because they are doing better in any way.

    Of course, I don’t have any evidence for this beyond the eyewitness testimony of a single expert, but looking over Diana Fleishman’s publications page, I suspect she doesn’t have much evidence either. She concedes that

    Their parents are usually rich, so they probably got good genes.

    so she may be conflating parental affluence with “success” of artificial conception/gestation, whereas families seen by my observer all have to meet the same tuition hurdle so there is no affluence bias in her data.

    In a subject I know slightly more about, I have heard some livestock breeders express an aversion to artificial insemination when they can avoid it. Freezing and transporting semen from exceptional studs/bulls will obviously yield short term breed improvements by accessing superior germlines, but once those one-time breed improvements have been made, some breeders have reported adverse health results from continued generations by artificial insemination.

    In short, I am not prepared to sign up for “technology will save us” here. Some things still gotta be trad.

  20. Franz says:

    Raising fertility means raising consciousness. This excellent review/article starts by showing the major red flag we’ve noticed among all age groups — race shaming and outright slander against whites.

    Every single time the slur against European whites is trotted out it has to be answered. One way or another we have to break break this insane conditioning that white is Bad-Past and diverse is Good-Future. Fight this crap. Every time.

    Real hate groups starting with the ADL have to be attacked in print every time they slander and libel us. They do what they accuse whites of doing.

    Clear the atmosphere. Then watch things get better.

    • Replies: @Solutions
  21. @Catdog

    Some observations, mostly agreement with a couple corrections or counter-examples.

    Some medical insurance policies, like ours with a very large insurer, cover maternity expenses 100%.

    As for the child tax credit, it is inadequate for its stated purposes, and it phases out at higher household income levels.

    Also, if a child tax credit is “refundable”, then people with very low household incomes are incentivized to have children more than peopler with average incomes and much more than high-income people. At the least, that’s not a helpful difference in the incentive structure.

    Housing costs are indeed a crushing problem. Few have the courage to honestly state the obvious — increasing demand drastically, through sustained mass immigration that increases the population without pause, will always tend to raise prices on existing housing and other scarce resources. And if demand grow fast enough, as it is in much of the USA due to mass immigration, prices will rise faster than most people’s salaries and wages.

    Unless we want to live in an overcrowded society with all the loss of greenery, open space, quiet, privacy, dignity and cleanliness that entails, it’s not a solution to say “just cut back regulations and authorize more farmland, forest and open space to be paved over for construction.”

    Rather, the demand for housing must go down and stay down. That happens only with an end to mass immigration.

  22. Trinity says:

    Saw the picture of (((Kirk Douglas))) and then decided to not read the article. Have more children? Really? Not complicated. Taking care them? Well, there lies the problem unless you are an Orthodox Heeb, nigra, or Messcan, then (((the gubmint))) has your back. Whitey can always join (((the military))) and fight.and die for Israel to receive free healthcare for the children though.

    Looks like Kirk skipped leg day.

  23. Solutions says: • Website

    “Human quality is declining…” you put it in a nutshell. More quality and less quantity thank you.

  24. Solutions says:
    @Franz

    Agree. It’s simple, organized whites are the only potential threat to the agenda of the western led one world government neo fuedal system.

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