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Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. To minimize the load, please continue to limit your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

For those interested, here are my latest two pieces, primarily focusing on the Israel/Gaza conflict and somewhat related matters.

 
• Category: Foreign Policy, History • Tags: Gaza, Israel/Palestine, Russia, Ukraine 
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  1. Mr. Unz,

    Thanks for the new OT. It is appreciated.

    PEACE 😇

  2. Elon Musk is simply a representative of the faction of the US elites that think that China is the enemy #1, Russia the enemy #2 (like Trump). Biden’s puppeteers believe that Russia is the enemy #1, China the enemy #2. There is enough difference for these factions to fight internally, but not enough for the rest of the world to care.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Elon Musk is simply a representative of the faction of the US elites that think that China is the enemy #1, Russia the enemy #2 (like Trump).
     
    I see no evidence that is his stance. Based on what he has said, Trump believes -- The Iranian theocracy is the top military threat to international stability. The CCP is the leading strategic competitor to America.

    Trump wants to repair the relationship with Russia. He really does not view them as an "enemy" at all.

    Friendship with America could pull Russia away from Khamenei and the CCP. I do not know if this can be fully achieved in Trump's 2nd and final term. Rebuilding the mess created by the, now primarily DNC, warmongers will require multiple MAGA administrations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Godly2

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    Musk is a tool of China, he has a lot of business there. He is supporting Russia because Russia is China’s ally/vassal. Musk has no choice.

    There are some others who are as you describe (such as Vivek, and probably Trump), but not Musk.

    Replies: @Sean

  3. @AnonfromTN
    Elon Musk is simply a representative of the faction of the US elites that think that China is the enemy #1, Russia the enemy #2 (like Trump). Biden’s puppeteers believe that Russia is the enemy #1, China the enemy #2. There is enough difference for these factions to fight internally, but not enough for the rest of the world to care.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    Elon Musk is simply a representative of the faction of the US elites that think that China is the enemy #1, Russia the enemy #2 (like Trump).

    I see no evidence that is his stance. Based on what he has said, Trump believes — The Iranian theocracy is the top military threat to international stability. The CCP is the leading strategic competitor to America.

    Trump wants to repair the relationship with Russia. He really does not view them as an “enemy” at all.

    Friendship with America could pull Russia away from Khamenei and the CCP. I do not know if this can be fully achieved in Trump’s 2nd and final term. Rebuilding the mess created by the, now primarily DNC, warmongers will require multiple MAGA administrations.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Friendship with America could pull Russia away from Khamenei and the CCP.
     
    Most Russians might have believed in the possibility of friendship with the US before 1991. The trustworthiness of the US in the eyes of Russians started to decline during shameless robbery of Soviet assets in the 1990s. Now it’s at all-time low. Today there are fewer than 10% potential believers in this pipe dream in Russia. So, to maintain his sky-high approval, Putin has to act as a non-believer, regardless of what he personally thinks.

    It would take at least 20 years of sane US behavior to change these dynamics. As the chances of that happening are as close to zero as makes no difference, in the eyes of Russians the US will remain close to the bottom of the trustworthiness scale, maybe just a notch above current Kiev regime.
    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    Rebuilding the mess created by the, now primarily DNC, warmongers will require multiple MAGA administrations.

    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

    Replies: @A123

    , @Godly2
    @A123

    Russia is gone.
    The West has shown that they are fundamentally treacherous and controlled by psychopaths. Russia knows not to trust them. Listen to the Putin interview when asked who controls the US, he slyly says "I don't know..."
    It doesn't matter to him who is president. He understands the true character behind the mask.

  4. Due to complaints about the length of the full 24 Hours of Daytona. I offer this instead. A short 4 hour race:

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Here is one hour of cats. I cut it down from the original 12 hours since some of you found it boring.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkJ2hHHYp4U

    You're welcome.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @songbird
    @A123


    A short 4 hour race:
     
    In 2001, Bollywood released a 4-hr movie about Indians winning a cricket match against the evil English. At the time, it was the most expensive Indian movie ever made:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagaan

    (Have not see it, but it was well-received over there.)

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Robertson
    @A123

    "Honey Look!"
    "There are these cars racing around in a big circle!............c'mon hurry, I think there gonna do it again!"



    I never could understand the Nascar thing.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

  5. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Elon Musk is simply a representative of the faction of the US elites that think that China is the enemy #1, Russia the enemy #2 (like Trump).
     
    I see no evidence that is his stance. Based on what he has said, Trump believes -- The Iranian theocracy is the top military threat to international stability. The CCP is the leading strategic competitor to America.

    Trump wants to repair the relationship with Russia. He really does not view them as an "enemy" at all.

    Friendship with America could pull Russia away from Khamenei and the CCP. I do not know if this can be fully achieved in Trump's 2nd and final term. Rebuilding the mess created by the, now primarily DNC, warmongers will require multiple MAGA administrations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Godly2

    Friendship with America could pull Russia away from Khamenei and the CCP.

    Most Russians might have believed in the possibility of friendship with the US before 1991. The trustworthiness of the US in the eyes of Russians started to decline during shameless robbery of Soviet assets in the 1990s. Now it’s at all-time low. Today there are fewer than 10% potential believers in this pipe dream in Russia. So, to maintain his sky-high approval, Putin has to act as a non-believer, regardless of what he personally thinks.

    It would take at least 20 years of sane US behavior to change these dynamics. As the chances of that happening are as close to zero as makes no difference, in the eyes of Russians the US will remain close to the bottom of the trustworthiness scale, maybe just a notch above current Kiev regime.

  6. In the Canossa thread some guy posted this which is actually pretty good for entertainment value:

    https://rumble.com/v4c294z-episode-1011-is-the-paypal-mafia-making-elite-moves-w-matt-erickson.html

    The younger fellow said “the regime needs Elon more than Elon needs the regime”. It pretends to be a serious discussion. A lot of generation pseudo-analysis. Elite Gen-X is supposedly going to flip the script.

  7. Should like the term “saffron nationalism” to be repurposed from (I assume) woke Indians, and given to the neutral, scientific concept of a return to the traditional system of tanistry in Celtic Europe.

    https://www.wildeirishe.com/post/getting-saffron-in-kilkenny

  8. @A123
    Due to complaints about the length of the full 24 Hours of Daytona. I offer this instead. A short 4 hour race:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjfLqOmNa5k

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @songbird, @Robertson

    Here is one hour of cats. I cut it down from the original 12 hours since some of you found it boring.

    You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @John Johnson

    The word "music" derives ultimately from Classical Greece, where it referred to any art inspired by the Muses.

    An alternate word with strong negative connotations is needed for most modern Grammy nominees, film scores, and the "music video" you posted.

  9. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Elon Musk is simply a representative of the faction of the US elites that think that China is the enemy #1, Russia the enemy #2 (like Trump).
     
    I see no evidence that is his stance. Based on what he has said, Trump believes -- The Iranian theocracy is the top military threat to international stability. The CCP is the leading strategic competitor to America.

    Trump wants to repair the relationship with Russia. He really does not view them as an "enemy" at all.

    Friendship with America could pull Russia away from Khamenei and the CCP. I do not know if this can be fully achieved in Trump's 2nd and final term. Rebuilding the mess created by the, now primarily DNC, warmongers will require multiple MAGA administrations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Godly2

    Rebuilding the mess created by the, now primarily DNC, warmongers will require multiple MAGA administrations.

    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?
     
    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer? In the interest of comity I will humour you. I am a Christian... And thus, a Judeo-Christian.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    • Do I believe in Jesus Christ? Yes.
    • Do I believe in opposing the Anti-Christ? Yes.

    Supporting indigenous Palestinian Jews who are DEFENDING themselves against Satanic attacks is a "no brainer". Defeating Muslim warmongers makes obvious sense. Ejecting evil is the price that must be paid to obtain peace.
    ____

    Let me jump ahead to the inevitable next question.

    The bulk of the population in Ukraine is Orthodox Christian. This is unlike the raping and murdering Jihadist horror in Gaza. There, the bulk of the population believes in the SatanoAllah and the Anti-Christ Muhammad.

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced. A rational Ukrainian, Orthodox Christian leader could negotiate a peace deal with Moscow. There is no comparable path available to deal with the Satan worshipping Jihadist settlers occupying Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

    ================================
        Muslim Colonies are the Problem.
    Muslim Decolonization is the Answer!
    ================================


    Similar situations and solutions apply in Germany, France, UK, and other contaminated countries in Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Vajradhara

  10. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Elon Musk is simply a representative of the faction of the US elites that think that China is the enemy #1, Russia the enemy #2 (like Trump).
     
    I see no evidence that is his stance. Based on what he has said, Trump believes -- The Iranian theocracy is the top military threat to international stability. The CCP is the leading strategic competitor to America.

    Trump wants to repair the relationship with Russia. He really does not view them as an "enemy" at all.

    Friendship with America could pull Russia away from Khamenei and the CCP. I do not know if this can be fully achieved in Trump's 2nd and final term. Rebuilding the mess created by the, now primarily DNC, warmongers will require multiple MAGA administrations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Godly2

    Russia is gone.
    The West has shown that they are fundamentally treacherous and controlled by psychopaths. Russia knows not to trust them. Listen to the Putin interview when asked who controls the US, he slyly says “I don’t know…”
    It doesn’t matter to him who is president. He understands the true character behind the mask.

    • Agree: Derer
  11. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Rebuilding the mess created by the, now primarily DNC, warmongers will require multiple MAGA administrations.

    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

    Replies: @A123

    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer? In the interest of comity I will humour you. I am a Christian… And thus, a Judeo-Christian.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    • Do I believe in Jesus Christ? Yes.
    • Do I believe in opposing the Anti-Christ? Yes.

    Supporting indigenous Palestinian Jews who are DEFENDING themselves against Satanic attacks is a “no brainer”. Defeating Muslim warmongers makes obvious sense. Ejecting evil is the price that must be paid to obtain peace.
    ____

    Let me jump ahead to the inevitable next question.

    The bulk of the population in Ukraine is Orthodox Christian. This is unlike the raping and murdering Jihadist horror in Gaza. There, the bulk of the population believes in the SatanoAllah and the Anti-Christ Muhammad.

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced. A rational Ukrainian, Orthodox Christian leader could negotiate a peace deal with Moscow. There is no comparable path available to deal with the Satan worshipping Jihadist settlers occupying Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

    ================================
        Muslim Colonies are the Problem.
    Muslim Decolonization is the Answer!
    ================================

    Similar situations and solutions apply in Germany, France, UK, and other contaminated countries in Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

     

    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer?

    I really don't know the answer. I have asked many Trump supporters that question and most of them have ignored it. They celebrate MAGA as being an America First movement and then ignore the question of why so many House Republicans are currently Israel First.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    LOL the IDF incursion into Gaza is a defensive measure? How am I called the Jew here? That is hilarious.

    Ok so you believe this is a spiritual war and some 10 year old Palestinian that loses an eye and a leg was in league with a demonic underlord who has two penises and likes to shapeshift into a crow.

    Let's say the aforementioned is true.

    Why does Israel need $14 billion dollars if they have a budget surplus?

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced.

    You do acknowledge the following about Russia, correct?

    Russia has:
    1. World's highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe's largest Muslim population
    4. Europe's largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe's largest HIV population
    6. Europe's largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine

    Why are you certain that Putin is not on the side of satan? You believe he is a God fearing Christian man even though he lamented the breakup of the USSR? An empire whose official doctrine declared religion to be the enemy? Do explain how a Christian could miss the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    , @Mikhail
    @A123

    A great Republican:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzF5Vw-TNgE

    Replies: @A123

    , @Vajradhara
    @A123

    You sound retarded.

    Indigenous Jews???

    Sorry, but genetic studies prove the Palestinians are far more native to their area than most Jews are.

    Ben Gurion himself said, “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country.... They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

    Replies: @AP, @A123

  12. @A123
    Due to complaints about the length of the full 24 Hours of Daytona. I offer this instead. A short 4 hour race:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjfLqOmNa5k

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @songbird, @Robertson

    A short 4 hour race:

    In 2001, Bollywood released a 4-hr movie about Indians winning a cricket match against the evil English. At the time, it was the most expensive Indian movie ever made:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagaan

    (Have not see it, but it was well-received over there.)

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @Matra
    @songbird


    Bollywood released a 4-hr movie about Indians winning a cricket match
     
    Impressively concise when you consider the cricket match itself probably lasted five days.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  13. It’s quite interesting that it was a Prussian who was one of the first people to advocate in favor of the idea that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, back in the 1600s:

    https://www.time.com/6693504/vladimir-putin-history-myths-russia-ukraine-debunked/

    [MORE]

    That idea is not new. Many Russian writers and historians are complicit in facilitating this false myth. It is their words and thoughts over the past 350 years that sowed the seeds of Russian fascism and allowed it to flourish, although many would be horrified today to see the fruits of their labor. Writers and intellectuals failed to spot just how deadly the very idea of Russia as a “great empire” was. (Of course, any “empire” is evil, but let different historians judge other empires.) We overlooked the fact that, for many centuries, “great Russian history” belittled other countries and peoples, suppressed and destroyed them.

    Describing Ukrainians as Russians started back in the 17th century. The first person who did it was a German monk named Innokenty Gizel; a native of Königsberg who grew up in a Protestant family but moved to Kyiv in his youth and embraced Orthodoxy. At that time Ukraine was a part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    Gizel considered Muslims, that is, the Ottoman Empire, as well as the West, the Catholics, in particular those in Poland and the Jesuit order, to be a great threat to Orthodoxy, his beloved Kyiv, and the entire Ukraine. And he was more than an ordinary monk, he was an abbot of Kyiv’s main monastery, an important political figure. So he decided to find a reliable political partner, the Moscow Tsar.

    So he wrote a book. Not a historical study, rather a tool, or weapon, for diplomatic negotiations. Innokenty’s target audience was Moscow-based diplomats—to exert moral pressure on them. He needed to induce the Muscovite tsar to enter into a military alliance with the Ukrainians and give them security guarantees in their war against Poland. He tinkered with history to achieve the desired end result: to prove that Kyiv and Moscow were directly related and hence the Muscovite tsar was duty bound to assist Kyiv.

    In the early 17th-century, the tsardom of Russia (also known as Muscovy) looked nothing like a Great Empire. On the contrary it was considered weak and unable to protect its own borders. The fact is that the country cannot move on from the reign of Ivan the Terrible, who sat on the throne for fifty years, the longest-serving ruler in Russian history (not even Putin will beat that…). After his death, in 1584, society remained crushed and demoralized for decades to come. Polish troops occupied Moscow for a long period of time. Then a Russian militia recaptured Moscow and the Poles retreated. However, for a long time to come, the Muscovite rulers will assiduously abstain from campaigns of conquest—and were not willing to declare war on the Poles to assist Ukrainians.

    Innokenty Gizel has never been to Moscow, but his aim was to create the illusion that it and Kyiv share a common history. A modern-day critic might say that the Prussian-born Innokenty invented what today is known as russkiy mir (the Russian world)—but that would not be entirely accurate. In essence, he invented a single nation, supposedly with a common history. And this Rus is inhabited by a single people, Gizel claims.

    In his book he made a connection and subordinated all historical logic to it. In his world view, Kyiv was once the capital of some abstract supranational Russia. Then it was Moscow.

    For contemporaries of Innokenty Gizel, this revision of history is nothing short of revolutionary. Moreover, he claims the existence of an all-embracing “pan-Russian Orthodox people,” uniting all the East Slavs (the forebears of modern-day Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians) under one umbrella. Moscow, incidentally, thought otherwise. The Muscovite Orthodox Church did not even consider the Christians of Kyiv to be coreligionists. If a resident of the city in the seventeenth century wanted to move to Moscow, he must have been rebaptized, as Muscovite priests considered Ukrainian Orthodoxy to be a different faith.

    Innokenty Gizel’s tendentious tome was published under the title Synopsis. It quickly transcended immediate political interests and unexpectedly became a bestseller of the day. Naturally, Synopsis greatly appealed to Alexis Romanov, the Russian tsar at the time.

    A second, then third, edition of Synopsis was published. Translations into Latin and Greek soon followed. Finally, under the next Russian tsar, Alexis’s son the future Peter the Great, Synopsis became in the 1700s the standard textbook on Russian history. Over the coming centuries, Synopsis would form the blueprint for Russian scholars (Vasily Tatishchev, Nikolay Karamzin, Sergey Solovyov, Vasily Klyuchevsky, et al.) in penning their own versions of Russian history. And in the 21st-century Putin would believe it and would propagandize this myth.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    Gizel isn't the myth maker unlike those disagreeing with him. Zelensky is on record for earlier saying the same.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. XYZ

    It was literally the same thought of every western ambassador, every western Ruler at the time you dumb shithead. And it was the thought of every getman, most Atamans

    One of the very few to promote the theory that "Ukrainians" ( well this was the Zaporizhian Cossacks , which have zero connection to most of the land and people of Ukraine) were not Russians was the former French Ambassador to the Russian Empire. Why is this amusing? There was then the French Revolution where the his superior, the Foreign Secretary got executed, so what did this former Ambassador do to save his head from an appointment with the guillotine? He of course went anti-Royalist, anti-French monarchy, anti-Russian monarchy - so wrote some amusing nonsense about the Zaporizhian Cossacks.

    You have snuff films, this was the worlds first snuff book!

    BTW have you looked at the names of who is in power in Banderastan you stupid cretin?

    Replies: @Beckow

  14. @songbird
    @A123


    A short 4 hour race:
     
    In 2001, Bollywood released a 4-hr movie about Indians winning a cricket match against the evil English. At the time, it was the most expensive Indian movie ever made:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagaan

    (Have not see it, but it was well-received over there.)

    Replies: @Matra

    Bollywood released a 4-hr movie about Indians winning a cricket match

    Impressively concise when you consider the cricket match itself probably lasted five days.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    Cricket is as Indian as curry, Hinduism, and vegetarianism. An Indian without cricket is like a Chinese person without kung fu or a Korean person without kimchi.

  15. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Here is one hour of cats. I cut it down from the original 12 hours since some of you found it boring.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkJ2hHHYp4U

    You're welcome.

    Replies: @songbird

    The word “music” derives ultimately from Classical Greece, where it referred to any art inspired by the Muses.

    An alternate word with strong negative connotations is needed for most modern Grammy nominees, film scores, and the “music video” you posted.

  16. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?
     
    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer? In the interest of comity I will humour you. I am a Christian... And thus, a Judeo-Christian.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    • Do I believe in Jesus Christ? Yes.
    • Do I believe in opposing the Anti-Christ? Yes.

    Supporting indigenous Palestinian Jews who are DEFENDING themselves against Satanic attacks is a "no brainer". Defeating Muslim warmongers makes obvious sense. Ejecting evil is the price that must be paid to obtain peace.
    ____

    Let me jump ahead to the inevitable next question.

    The bulk of the population in Ukraine is Orthodox Christian. This is unlike the raping and murdering Jihadist horror in Gaza. There, the bulk of the population believes in the SatanoAllah and the Anti-Christ Muhammad.

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced. A rational Ukrainian, Orthodox Christian leader could negotiate a peace deal with Moscow. There is no comparable path available to deal with the Satan worshipping Jihadist settlers occupying Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

    ================================
        Muslim Colonies are the Problem.
    Muslim Decolonization is the Answer!
    ================================


    Similar situations and solutions apply in Germany, France, UK, and other contaminated countries in Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Vajradhara

    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer?

    I really don’t know the answer. I have asked many Trump supporters that question and most of them have ignored it. They celebrate MAGA as being an America First movement and then ignore the question of why so many House Republicans are currently Israel First.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    LOL the IDF incursion into Gaza is a defensive measure? How am I called the Jew here? That is hilarious.

    Ok so you believe this is a spiritual war and some 10 year old Palestinian that loses an eye and a leg was in league with a demonic underlord who has two penises and likes to shapeshift into a crow.

    Let’s say the aforementioned is true.

    Why does Israel need $14 billion dollars if they have a budget surplus?

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced.

    You do acknowledge the following about Russia, correct?

    Russia has:
    1. World’s highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe’s largest Muslim population
    4. Europe’s largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe’s largest HIV population
    6. Europe’s largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine

    Why are you certain that Putin is not on the side of satan? You believe he is a God fearing Christian man even though he lamented the breakup of the USSR? An empire whose official doctrine declared religion to be the enemy? Do explain how a Christian could miss the USSR.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    4. Europe’s largest Buddhist population

     

    Why is this specifically a bad thing?

    6. Europe’s largest atheist population

     

    Interestingly enough, according to data previously presented on here by Anatoly Karlin a couple of years ago, Russian atheists are much more anti-war than Russian Orthodox Christians are. Russian atheists are around 50-50 on the war (or at least were two years ago), while Russian Orthodox Christians are something like 75-19 in favor of the war. Christian morality at its finest!

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Everything that you write about Russia is true and makes sense, except for glue sniffing kremlinstooge A123. Hmmm? In his strange world, I think that he thinks that Putler "the Christian" is going to save Europe from the clutches of "Islamo-Soros". I sometimes wonder, how many years has he been huffing?

    , @A123
    @John Johnson

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields? (1)


    Where Are All the Headlines When 'Free Palestine' Is On a Shooter's Assault Weapon?

     

    What a horribly frightening time it had to be at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church near Houston yesterday afternoon.

    A woman who walked into a popular Texas megachurch Sunday afternoon with a long gun and a young child opened fire before she was killed by law enforcement officers on scene. The gunfire left the child in critical condition and another man injured, officials said.
     
    The little guy who was shot turns out to be the child who came with the shooter. Tragically, he is not expected to survive, and I can only surmise he was struck by the rounds from security guards returning fire.
    ___

    I am a little put out by the coverage on the major news media platforms, though. For some reason, there seems to be a deliberate skewing of terms here, and I can't quite pinpoint why.


    The Houston church shooter had antisemitic writing in her home in addition to “Free Palestine” written on her rifle. Her ex-husband’s family was Jewish and she had animus towards them.

    But that doesn’t explain why she went to a mega church.
     


     
    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works. If Hamas wants to end the suffering, especially among their coreligionist human shields, there is an easy 4 step plan 100% under their control.

    -1- Release all hostages
    -2- Lay down arms
    -3- Turn over criminals
    -4- Disband

    Blaming the Jewish and Christian victims of Muslim/Islamophile aggression makes no sense. Such lack of focus is both immoral and prolongs the problems.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/02/12/where-are-all-the-headlines-when-free-palestine-is-on-a-shooters-weapon-n3782797

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    Russia has:
    1. World’s highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe’s largest Muslim population
    4. Europe’s largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe’s largest HIV population
    6. Europe’s largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine
     
    Russia is by far Europe's largest country you dumb bag of shit spambot - so points 3-6 are the most idiotic possible . It would be like talking about Switzerland having the highest numbers of defective Rolex's.

    Point 2 is an amusingly stupid lie. Russia's alcoholism rate is nowhere near the top, and our rates are repeatedly going down - even though much of our climate is conducive to higher alcohol rates. For those of us who have gone to Finland - mocking the Finns for the alcoholism is a frequent topic/joke of Russians about the alcohol-sickos in abundance in Finland streets you idiot. Lithuania, Czechia, Latvia, Moldova,probably Bulgaria and Germany and Estonia drink significantly more. We are not even in the top 10 - even though the history is we are less beer or wine dominant overall compared to spirits than the west. Drink-driving scum at daytime is a different issue though which we need to restrict further.

    Point 5 - is caused by Fentanyl reject Pindostan's illegal war in Afganistan and subsequent flow of opiates into ex USSR. STD or faggot AIDS - when it was a "competition" had the USA light years ahead "winning" in front of USSR and Russia you thick retard.

    Point 7 is of course idiotic nonsense, based on Ukrainian" statistics" which is of course an oxymoron. Russia is a more spiritual and Orthodox country than Banderastan.
    Also - in Russia the jew ( well, for A123's lets say the anti-semitic, or islamophile jew Zelensky) doesnt dictate to people what day to celebrate Christmas. Orthodox culture and activities permeate far more into everyday life of Russians than they do to Ukrops (both before SMO and after - where they are not even trying to not be blasphemous). Leaders of Ukraine are the Jew with Jewish PM and Jewish Chief Staff - then the probably closet Jew, son of jailed gangster, heavily involved in Moldovan black market ( with some very immoral things) for years - Poroshenko......who also had a Jewish PM and Chief of Staff. Then before that you had the American Baptist "preacher" satanist freak - who also could possibly have been a Jew, and his PM, Yatsenyuk probably is Jewish.
    Then you look at the satanic policies these freaks have done over the years.........and you are talking about "Orthodoxy" in this fake country you disgusting sack of faeces?

    Amusingly - of the thing we have idiotically been charged "War crimes" over - I think Orthodoxy (not just good moral secularism/social justice) at the core of modern Russia and being the antithesis of post-Soviet Banderastan are the factor behind this fake charge. Its primarily Orthodox families adopting these kids - who are from backgrounds of completely broken families in broken, anti-religious state structure of Ukraine - who are being rescued from this warzone and disastrous system of Ukraine. The number of childrens themselves not living with their families, having to be rescued by Orthodox Russian families doesnt say much about "Orthodox" Ukraine either

    Point1.

    1.Again we keep accurate measure, so who knows the true abortion rate for the others.
    2.Higher pill use and history of the pill use in the west compared to Russia
    3.Perfectly balanced out (and more) by American whores having much higher teenage pregnancy rates!!!
    4.Data is also skewed by more Russians living in cities compared to other white countries ( I am specific on cities here, not a full "urban" metric which would classify the suburbs the same as the city). Higher city population=higher abortion rates in any white city.
    5. Abortion Rate has descended significantly down , precisely because we are richer and more religious country- and anyway that needs to be looked at simultaneously with our birth rates , which are similar and actually better than most European countries.........and of course massively ahead of Ukraine's disastrously low rates and ahead of the Polish faggot fake Catholics.
    6. It's a fact that the Russian state policy is more anti-abortion then western states who are pro-abortion as part of some sick feminist cult. Russian state policy is through inducement not to abort instead of forced legislation banning it. Russian state doctors probably the same as western state doctors - many for or neutral to abortion, particularly if there is a hint( not definite) that kid could be born with problems.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson

    My sources are showing that your sources are completely concocted. Show me a country and I will show you everything bad about it.

  17. @John Johnson
    @A123


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

     

    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer?

    I really don't know the answer. I have asked many Trump supporters that question and most of them have ignored it. They celebrate MAGA as being an America First movement and then ignore the question of why so many House Republicans are currently Israel First.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    LOL the IDF incursion into Gaza is a defensive measure? How am I called the Jew here? That is hilarious.

    Ok so you believe this is a spiritual war and some 10 year old Palestinian that loses an eye and a leg was in league with a demonic underlord who has two penises and likes to shapeshift into a crow.

    Let's say the aforementioned is true.

    Why does Israel need $14 billion dollars if they have a budget surplus?

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced.

    You do acknowledge the following about Russia, correct?

    Russia has:
    1. World's highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe's largest Muslim population
    4. Europe's largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe's largest HIV population
    6. Europe's largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine

    Why are you certain that Putin is not on the side of satan? You believe he is a God fearing Christian man even though he lamented the breakup of the USSR? An empire whose official doctrine declared religion to be the enemy? Do explain how a Christian could miss the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    4. Europe’s largest Buddhist population

    Why is this specifically a bad thing?

    6. Europe’s largest atheist population

    Interestingly enough, according to data previously presented on here by Anatoly Karlin a couple of years ago, Russian atheists are much more anti-war than Russian Orthodox Christians are. Russian atheists are around 50-50 on the war (or at least were two years ago), while Russian Orthodox Christians are something like 75-19 in favor of the war. Christian morality at its finest!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    Europe’s largest Buddhist population

     

    Why is this specifically a bad thing?

    I'm not saying it is a bad thing. I'm dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone....to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don't like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.

    That is the real basis of MAGA support for Russia. They think it's some conservative wonderland that is under attack by the West. They try to believe it is a holdout against Jewish influence and multiculturalism when Russia itself is more multicultural than Ukraine. It's a delusion that I enjoy breaking.

    I have mixed feelings on Buddhism but unfortunately it seems that a lot of their Asians are submitting to the empire and letting Putin march their fathers and sons off to their deaths. Very tragic for areas like Siberia as they would rather not be part of Russia. This is an aspect of Buddhism that I do not like. It's very fatalistic which does not lead to rebellions against the status quo. Look what happened to Tibet. They didn't do a damn thing other than sneak their child-god out of the country. A religion that says you need to serve a child-god and if the state kills your relatives....well that was to be.

    Interestingly enough, according to data previously presented on here by Anatoly Karlin a couple of years ago, Russian atheists are much more anti-war than Russian Orthodox Christians are.

    That doesn't surprise me at all.

    Rural Russians tend to be the most pro-war and are more likely to be Orthodox than urban Slavs.

    But with that said I don't think atheism promotes morality. Putin is most likely an atheist.

    Atheism in crowds could be indeed pro-peace but it leads to individuals like Putin that believe in nothing and for whom lives are worthless. Nietzche predicted this exact scenario. Atheism intially appears to promote a secular morality that is better than Christianity but is then overshadowed by ideologies or leaders that completely devalue the individual.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Vajradhara

  18. @Matra
    @songbird


    Bollywood released a 4-hr movie about Indians winning a cricket match
     
    Impressively concise when you consider the cricket match itself probably lasted five days.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Cricket is as Indian as curry, Hinduism, and vegetarianism. An Indian without cricket is like a Chinese person without kung fu or a Korean person without kimchi.

  19. Blue whales and fin whales can produce fertile offspring. Even though the former tend to be 77 metric tons (~566 Lizzos*) heavier.

    https://www.livescience.com/animals/whales/hidden-hybrid-dna-found-in-blue-whales-reveals-theyve-been-mating-with-other-species-and-their-offspring-are-reproducing

    *Assuming 300 pounds is the figure. (That may be too low)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogxim

    Did you ever get around to reading the
    humans = chimps + pigs
    fellow's stuff?

    Replies: @songbird

  20. Question for any Serbs here: Had Austria-Hungary managed to successfully conquer Serbia in the 18th century and hold onto it until at least the early 20th century, would the Serbs nowadays be mostly Uniates instead of mostly Eastern Orthodox?

    I previously asked AP this question here:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-241/#comment-6413483

    Also, a question for AP: Had Poland gotten the Curzon Line as its eastern border in 1921, would Poland have been more receptive to the idea of an alliance with Nazi Germany in 1939, in this scenario for the purpose of reconquering the Kresy from the Soviet Union?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    FYI, most Ukrainians in the former Hapsburg ruled Ukraine are Orthodox Christians. There's also the example of the Romanians under Hapsburg rule.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  21. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    4. Europe’s largest Buddhist population

     

    Why is this specifically a bad thing?

    6. Europe’s largest atheist population

     

    Interestingly enough, according to data previously presented on here by Anatoly Karlin a couple of years ago, Russian atheists are much more anti-war than Russian Orthodox Christians are. Russian atheists are around 50-50 on the war (or at least were two years ago), while Russian Orthodox Christians are something like 75-19 in favor of the war. Christian morality at its finest!

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Europe’s largest Buddhist population

    Why is this specifically a bad thing?

    I’m not saying it is a bad thing. I’m dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone….to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don’t like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.

    That is the real basis of MAGA support for Russia. They think it’s some conservative wonderland that is under attack by the West. They try to believe it is a holdout against Jewish influence and multiculturalism when Russia itself is more multicultural than Ukraine. It’s a delusion that I enjoy breaking.

    I have mixed feelings on Buddhism but unfortunately it seems that a lot of their Asians are submitting to the empire and letting Putin march their fathers and sons off to their deaths. Very tragic for areas like Siberia as they would rather not be part of Russia. This is an aspect of Buddhism that I do not like. It’s very fatalistic which does not lead to rebellions against the status quo. Look what happened to Tibet. They didn’t do a damn thing other than sneak their child-god out of the country. A religion that says you need to serve a child-god and if the state kills your relatives….well that was to be.

    Interestingly enough, according to data previously presented on here by Anatoly Karlin a couple of years ago, Russian atheists are much more anti-war than Russian Orthodox Christians are.

    That doesn’t surprise me at all.

    Rural Russians tend to be the most pro-war and are more likely to be Orthodox than urban Slavs.

    But with that said I don’t think atheism promotes morality. Putin is most likely an atheist.

    Atheism in crowds could be indeed pro-peace but it leads to individuals like Putin that believe in nothing and for whom lives are worthless. Nietzche predicted this exact scenario. Atheism intially appears to promote a secular morality that is better than Christianity but is then overshadowed by ideologies or leaders that completely devalue the individual.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    What's interesting is that some far-right US conservatives have even converted to Russian Orthodoxy in an attempt to "spite the libs":

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts#:~:text=Sarkisian%20said%20these%20converts%20often,like%20LGBTQ%20rights%2C%20gender%20equality.


    Atheism in crowds could be indeed pro-peace but it leads to individuals like Putin that believe in nothing and for whom lives are worthless. Nietzche predicted this exact scenario. Atheism intially appears to promote a secular morality that is better than Christianity but is then overshadowed by ideologies or leaders that completely devalue the individual.

     

    Your views on this are similar to those of Emil Kirkegaard, who laments that religion was replaced with worse ideologies such as Communism even while he himself was and still remains an atheist:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2023/12/my-conversation-story-or-a-brief-autobiography/

    Thus, if we were to summarize my conversion story, one can say that it started with school-day atheism, then went into evolutionary biology and generalized skepticism, then a brief stint as a Marxist (with long hair and poor clothes!), then back to reality with more reading of Dawkins’ biology books, then converted to IQ realism by Linda Gottfredson and Richard Lynn, and finally hammered home by the cold logic of Arthur Jensen. My politics thus evolved from generic leftist, to radical leftist, to small l libertarian upon learning that most government programs basically don’t work, and can’t work well in general due to the dominance of genetics and luck in determining life outcomes. I haven’t really changed my mind about the truth of atheism, but I have come to see religion as a positive force given that it is often replaced with even worse ideas (communism!).
     

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @AP
    @John Johnson


    I’m not saying it is a bad thing. I’m dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone….to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don’t like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.
     
    All correct. A minor quibble is that Russia’s abortion rate is improving a lot - it is still much higher than that of the USA but is no longer worst in the world. Russia still has Europe’s highest HIV rate (even worse than in many African countries) and very low church-going rates, comparable to Sweden’s. Most of Russia’s Orthodox don’t go to church, or just became a marker of being a Russian.

    Ironically, Ukraine is more Orthodox and much more devoutly Orthodox than Russia. And the most religious of the Orthodox in Ukraine are in the more Western parts of the country - that is, the most anti-Russian ones.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Derer

    , @Vajradhara
    @John Johnson


    This is an aspect of Buddhism that I do not like. It’s very fatalistic which does not lead to rebellions against the status quo. Look what happened to Tibet. They didn’t do a damn thing other than sneak their child-god out of the country. A religion that says you need to serve a child-god and if the state kills your relatives….well that was to be.
     
    No offense, but you're clueless about Buddhism.
    It is NOT fatalistic.

    And Tibetans did rebel against the Chinese. Violently. It failed obviously, but there was an armed rebellion.
    Also the Dalai-Lama is not a "child-god". He is an incarnation of a spiritual being different from any idea of a god.
    And no, nowhere in Buddhism it is said that you have to serve someone like the DL. You do have to show a little respect to monks, but that's it. And if an invasion of foreigners causes more suffering than before, you of course have the right to an armed rebellion.
  22. Oh boy. I have stopped reading Karlin a while ago because to me he just never seemed interesting and original enough. Today, I came across of his version of Hanania transformation:

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    … I will then briefly discuss my current thoughts on the war and what I now see as the optimal template for Russia’s future after Putin – namely, liberal democracy and unironic commitment to “GloboHomo” values.

    Apart from attracting human capital, a strong Russian commitment to liberal democracy and LGBT rights would also ease its integration with GAE.

    LOL. No matter what new religion this guy devotes his soul to, he just can’t stop always being wrong about everything. What’s going to be his next turn?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Nontropy

    Kabbalah

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Nontropy


    No matter what new religion this guy devotes his soul to, he just can’t stop always being wrong about everything.
     
    Be kind to mentally disturbed people. Although medications cannot cure mental disorders, ridicule can’t, either. We cannot help the sufferers, but we can have pity on them.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @Negronicus
    @Nontropy

    Hitching his wagon to Hanania simply can't be the right move.

  23. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    Europe’s largest Buddhist population

     

    Why is this specifically a bad thing?

    I'm not saying it is a bad thing. I'm dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone....to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don't like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.

    That is the real basis of MAGA support for Russia. They think it's some conservative wonderland that is under attack by the West. They try to believe it is a holdout against Jewish influence and multiculturalism when Russia itself is more multicultural than Ukraine. It's a delusion that I enjoy breaking.

    I have mixed feelings on Buddhism but unfortunately it seems that a lot of their Asians are submitting to the empire and letting Putin march their fathers and sons off to their deaths. Very tragic for areas like Siberia as they would rather not be part of Russia. This is an aspect of Buddhism that I do not like. It's very fatalistic which does not lead to rebellions against the status quo. Look what happened to Tibet. They didn't do a damn thing other than sneak their child-god out of the country. A religion that says you need to serve a child-god and if the state kills your relatives....well that was to be.

    Interestingly enough, according to data previously presented on here by Anatoly Karlin a couple of years ago, Russian atheists are much more anti-war than Russian Orthodox Christians are.

    That doesn't surprise me at all.

    Rural Russians tend to be the most pro-war and are more likely to be Orthodox than urban Slavs.

    But with that said I don't think atheism promotes morality. Putin is most likely an atheist.

    Atheism in crowds could be indeed pro-peace but it leads to individuals like Putin that believe in nothing and for whom lives are worthless. Nietzche predicted this exact scenario. Atheism intially appears to promote a secular morality that is better than Christianity but is then overshadowed by ideologies or leaders that completely devalue the individual.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Vajradhara

    What’s interesting is that some far-right US conservatives have even converted to Russian Orthodoxy in an attempt to “spite the libs”:

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts#:~:text=Sarkisian%20said%20these%20converts%20often,like%20LGBTQ%20rights%2C%20gender%20equality.

    Atheism in crowds could be indeed pro-peace but it leads to individuals like Putin that believe in nothing and for whom lives are worthless. Nietzche predicted this exact scenario. Atheism intially appears to promote a secular morality that is better than Christianity but is then overshadowed by ideologies or leaders that completely devalue the individual.

    Your views on this are similar to those of Emil Kirkegaard, who laments that religion was replaced with worse ideologies such as Communism even while he himself was and still remains an atheist:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2023/12/my-conversation-story-or-a-brief-autobiography/

    Thus, if we were to summarize my conversion story, one can say that it started with school-day atheism, then went into evolutionary biology and generalized skepticism, then a brief stint as a Marxist (with long hair and poor clothes!), then back to reality with more reading of Dawkins’ biology books, then converted to IQ realism by Linda Gottfredson and Richard Lynn, and finally hammered home by the cold logic of Arthur Jensen. My politics thus evolved from generic leftist, to radical leftist, to small l libertarian upon learning that most government programs basically don’t work, and can’t work well in general due to the dominance of genetics and luck in determining life outcomes. I haven’t really changed my mind about the truth of atheism, but I have come to see religion as a positive force given that it is often replaced with even worse ideas (communism!).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Your views on this are similar to those of Emil Kirkegaard, who laments that religion was replaced with worse ideologies such as Communism even while he himself was and still remains an atheist:

    For the record I'm not an atheist and I am not as pessimistic as Nietzche.

    But after being around secular Whites I certainly lost my faith in secularism.

    I don't believe in ostracizing the secular but I also don't believe that removing Christian will herald some new age of enlightenment.

    I've met too many Whites that replaced Christianity with liberalism while believing they were no longer religious. It was in fact unnerving as to how quickly they would switch to group identity if their beliefs were threatened. If you pointed out how the liberal belief of evolution frozen at 100k bc for some traits doesn't make sense they would switch to a group defensive strategy. They don't consider what you have to say and re-assess. They vote you off the island for being a stupid head meanie science hater that must be a secret right-wing Christian. I've had liberals scream Christian related epithets even though I didn't say anything remotely Christian. They will rally into the tribe and beat their shields while telling themselves they are on the side of science. Makes me think of how quickly the Communists went into killing even though they viewed themselves as secular and idealistic. All it takes is a psycho like Lenin to lead the tribe in that direction.

  24. @songbird
    Blue whales and fin whales can produce fertile offspring. Even though the former tend to be 77 metric tons (~566 Lizzos*) heavier.

    https://www.livescience.com/animals/whales/hidden-hybrid-dna-found-in-blue-whales-reveals-theyve-been-mating-with-other-species-and-their-offspring-are-reproducing

    *Assuming 300 pounds is the figure. (That may be too low)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogxim

    Did you ever get around to reading the
    humans = chimps + pigs
    fellow’s stuff?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    IMO, McCarthy is too interested in his specific theory. The more fascinating things are the generalities of hybridization, its known examples, and the glancing references, like when one of his detractors said that even in crosses between some humans, sperm and egg will not have the right proteins to recognize each other.

    I wonder whether the Pampas fox was assigned to the wrong genus. I know with birds, they have sometimes reassigned them based on genetics, but am not sure how it would work with a whole genus, rather than a species.

    Same genus as dogs but still interesting:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackal%E2%80%93dog_hybrid#Sulimov_dog

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  25. No more worries about nuclear war on Earth cause charitable UFOs not gonna let it happen by blowing nuclear warheads out of the sky;)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    The Sol Foundation (Christopher Mellon, Gary Nolan) has finally put the talks from their November 2023 S-UAP bowl conference up on youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/@_SolFoundation/videos

    The Leslie Kean one is missing. Apparently Eric Davis or Eric Davis's presentation got deleted from the program. They don't have the discussions so it remains a rumor that Russell Targ asked Avi Loeb when he was still at the podium in front of the entire room how does he get away with calling himself an astrophysicist when he hasn't published a paper in twenty years.

  26. Farmer’s Protest 2.0 begins.

    [MORE]

    https://twitter.com/YILTSTV/status/1757273119126122828?s=20

  27. [MORE]

  28. @AnonfromTN
    Elon Musk is simply a representative of the faction of the US elites that think that China is the enemy #1, Russia the enemy #2 (like Trump). Biden’s puppeteers believe that Russia is the enemy #1, China the enemy #2. There is enough difference for these factions to fight internally, but not enough for the rest of the world to care.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    Musk is a tool of China, he has a lot of business there. He is supporting Russia because Russia is China’s ally/vassal. Musk has no choice.

    There are some others who are as you describe (such as Vivek, and probably Trump), but not Musk.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    The Russian nuclear arsenal is essentially equivalent to America's, but no one thinks the Russian economy will ever equal that of the USA. China represents a very different type of challenge. What the US cannot be confident about its ability to cope with is a military threat from Russia and a commercial one from China-- those two latter powers cooperating. Russian defeat in Ukraine is a path to the ultimate nightmare for US strategists.

  29. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    Europe’s largest Buddhist population

     

    Why is this specifically a bad thing?

    I'm not saying it is a bad thing. I'm dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone....to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don't like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.

    That is the real basis of MAGA support for Russia. They think it's some conservative wonderland that is under attack by the West. They try to believe it is a holdout against Jewish influence and multiculturalism when Russia itself is more multicultural than Ukraine. It's a delusion that I enjoy breaking.

    I have mixed feelings on Buddhism but unfortunately it seems that a lot of their Asians are submitting to the empire and letting Putin march their fathers and sons off to their deaths. Very tragic for areas like Siberia as they would rather not be part of Russia. This is an aspect of Buddhism that I do not like. It's very fatalistic which does not lead to rebellions against the status quo. Look what happened to Tibet. They didn't do a damn thing other than sneak their child-god out of the country. A religion that says you need to serve a child-god and if the state kills your relatives....well that was to be.

    Interestingly enough, according to data previously presented on here by Anatoly Karlin a couple of years ago, Russian atheists are much more anti-war than Russian Orthodox Christians are.

    That doesn't surprise me at all.

    Rural Russians tend to be the most pro-war and are more likely to be Orthodox than urban Slavs.

    But with that said I don't think atheism promotes morality. Putin is most likely an atheist.

    Atheism in crowds could be indeed pro-peace but it leads to individuals like Putin that believe in nothing and for whom lives are worthless. Nietzche predicted this exact scenario. Atheism intially appears to promote a secular morality that is better than Christianity but is then overshadowed by ideologies or leaders that completely devalue the individual.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Vajradhara

    I’m not saying it is a bad thing. I’m dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone….to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don’t like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.

    All correct. A minor quibble is that Russia’s abortion rate is improving a lot – it is still much higher than that of the USA but is no longer worst in the world. Russia still has Europe’s highest HIV rate (even worse than in many African countries) and very low church-going rates, comparable to Sweden’s. Most of Russia’s Orthodox don’t go to church, or just became a marker of being a Russian.

    Ironically, Ukraine is more Orthodox and much more devoutly Orthodox than Russia. And the most religious of the Orthodox in Ukraine are in the more Western parts of the country – that is, the most anti-Russian ones.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Orthodoxy in decline from having a Jew blow up a National cathedral in Moscow1940, and strip the wreckage for gold bullion. That decline? Riiiigghhhtttt. A quick late 1990s fundraiser and it’s rebuilt kinda decline?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour


    Johnson a bullshitter. You too.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Derer
    @AP

    You forgot, US is ranked 45th in infant mortality, just after Wallis and Futuna.

  30. @AP
    @John Johnson


    I’m not saying it is a bad thing. I’m dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone….to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don’t like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.
     
    All correct. A minor quibble is that Russia’s abortion rate is improving a lot - it is still much higher than that of the USA but is no longer worst in the world. Russia still has Europe’s highest HIV rate (even worse than in many African countries) and very low church-going rates, comparable to Sweden’s. Most of Russia’s Orthodox don’t go to church, or just became a marker of being a Russian.

    Ironically, Ukraine is more Orthodox and much more devoutly Orthodox than Russia. And the most religious of the Orthodox in Ukraine are in the more Western parts of the country - that is, the most anti-Russian ones.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Derer

    Orthodoxy in decline from having a Jew blow up a National cathedral in Moscow1940, and strip the wreckage for gold bullion. That decline? Riiiigghhhtttt. A quick late 1990s fundraiser and it’s rebuilt kinda decline?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour

    Johnson a bullshitter. You too.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    The Orthodox population is in decline.

    Orthodoxy itself in Russia is mostly for show. As I said, church-going rates like in Sweden, despite the nice churches being built (good kick-backs).

    Replies: @Beckow

  31. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Orthodoxy in decline from having a Jew blow up a National cathedral in Moscow1940, and strip the wreckage for gold bullion. That decline? Riiiigghhhtttt. A quick late 1990s fundraiser and it’s rebuilt kinda decline?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour


    Johnson a bullshitter. You too.

    Replies: @AP

    The Orthodox population is in decline.

    Orthodoxy itself in Russia is mostly for show. As I said, church-going rates like in Sweden, despite the nice churches being built (good kick-backs).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    Orthodoxy itself in Russia is mostly for show
     
    That can be equally said about Vatican and the Anglo-Lgbtq churches, external displays of religion are mostly for show. Don't you know that?

    You specialize in discovering "bad stuff about the enemy" that turns out to be the same stuff you have at home. There is a bible parable describing it.

    Still better that the unhinged Nietsche (or Hitler) worshipper Johnson who is now picking a fight with the Buddhists. He will soon march with "Independence for Buriatia!" and "Free Buriats from the Half-Asiatic Russians!"...

    Too bad you guys are losing so badly, this Anglo-idiocy has become quite amusing...

    Replies: @AP

  32. @Nontropy
    Oh boy. I have stopped reading Karlin a while ago because to me he just never seemed interesting and original enough. Today, I came across of his version of Hanania transformation:

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    ... I will then briefly discuss my current thoughts on the war and what I now see as the optimal template for Russia’s future after Putin – namely, liberal democracy and unironic commitment to “GloboHomo” values.
    ...
    Apart from attracting human capital, a strong Russian commitment to liberal democracy and LGBT rights would also ease its integration with GAE.

     

    LOL. No matter what new religion this guy devotes his soul to, he just can't stop always being wrong about everything. What's going to be his next turn?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Negronicus

    Kabbalah

  33. @John Johnson
    @A123


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

     

    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer?

    I really don't know the answer. I have asked many Trump supporters that question and most of them have ignored it. They celebrate MAGA as being an America First movement and then ignore the question of why so many House Republicans are currently Israel First.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    LOL the IDF incursion into Gaza is a defensive measure? How am I called the Jew here? That is hilarious.

    Ok so you believe this is a spiritual war and some 10 year old Palestinian that loses an eye and a leg was in league with a demonic underlord who has two penises and likes to shapeshift into a crow.

    Let's say the aforementioned is true.

    Why does Israel need $14 billion dollars if they have a budget surplus?

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced.

    You do acknowledge the following about Russia, correct?

    Russia has:
    1. World's highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe's largest Muslim population
    4. Europe's largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe's largest HIV population
    6. Europe's largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine

    Why are you certain that Putin is not on the side of satan? You believe he is a God fearing Christian man even though he lamented the breakup of the USSR? An empire whose official doctrine declared religion to be the enemy? Do explain how a Christian could miss the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    Everything that you write about Russia is true and makes sense, except for glue sniffing kremlinstooge A123. Hmmm? In his strange world, I think that he thinks that Putler “the Christian” is going to save Europe from the clutches of “Islamo-Soros”. I sometimes wonder, how many years has he been huffing?

  34. @Nontropy
    Oh boy. I have stopped reading Karlin a while ago because to me he just never seemed interesting and original enough. Today, I came across of his version of Hanania transformation:

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    ... I will then briefly discuss my current thoughts on the war and what I now see as the optimal template for Russia’s future after Putin – namely, liberal democracy and unironic commitment to “GloboHomo” values.
    ...
    Apart from attracting human capital, a strong Russian commitment to liberal democracy and LGBT rights would also ease its integration with GAE.

     

    LOL. No matter what new religion this guy devotes his soul to, he just can't stop always being wrong about everything. What's going to be his next turn?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Negronicus

    No matter what new religion this guy devotes his soul to, he just can’t stop always being wrong about everything.

    Be kind to mentally disturbed people. Although medications cannot cure mental disorders, ridicule can’t, either. We cannot help the sufferers, but we can have pity on them.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    To be fair to Karlin - his aims could be purely mercenary.

    To his credit, I never particularly thought to ask what his job was - if its something in a field that was changed negatively by the sanctions and break with the west. Plus , as a blogger the type that he is , doing weekly or twice a week blogposts in his style isn't suited to localised, attritional warfare (irrelevant of the high kill ratio Russia's advantage) - with tactical and even strategic objectives not yet 100% clear to the public from Russia or the globalhomo side. Anything that isn't a 1 day victory and immediate 50 trillion dollar payout to Russia isn't going to be suitable to a blogger wanting to make big statements and predictions like him to a mostly western readership.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  35. @John Johnson
    @A123


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

     

    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer?

    I really don't know the answer. I have asked many Trump supporters that question and most of them have ignored it. They celebrate MAGA as being an America First movement and then ignore the question of why so many House Republicans are currently Israel First.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    LOL the IDF incursion into Gaza is a defensive measure? How am I called the Jew here? That is hilarious.

    Ok so you believe this is a spiritual war and some 10 year old Palestinian that loses an eye and a leg was in league with a demonic underlord who has two penises and likes to shapeshift into a crow.

    Let's say the aforementioned is true.

    Why does Israel need $14 billion dollars if they have a budget surplus?

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced.

    You do acknowledge the following about Russia, correct?

    Russia has:
    1. World's highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe's largest Muslim population
    4. Europe's largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe's largest HIV population
    6. Europe's largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine

    Why are you certain that Putin is not on the side of satan? You believe he is a God fearing Christian man even though he lamented the breakup of the USSR? An empire whose official doctrine declared religion to be the enemy? Do explain how a Christian could miss the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields? (1)

    Where Are All the Headlines When ‘Free Palestine’ Is On a Shooter’s Assault Weapon?

    What a horribly frightening time it had to be at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church near Houston yesterday afternoon.

    A woman who walked into a popular Texas megachurch Sunday afternoon with a long gun and a young child opened fire before she was killed by law enforcement officers on scene. The gunfire left the child in critical condition and another man injured, officials said.

    The little guy who was shot turns out to be the child who came with the shooter. Tragically, he is not expected to survive, and I can only surmise he was struck by the rounds from security guards returning fire.
    ___

    I am a little put out by the coverage on the major news media platforms, though. For some reason, there seems to be a deliberate skewing of terms here, and I can’t quite pinpoint why.

    The Houston church shooter had antisemitic writing in her home in addition to “Free Palestine” written on her rifle. Her ex-husband’s family was Jewish and she had animus towards them.

    But that doesn’t explain why she went to a mega church.

    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works. If Hamas wants to end the suffering, especially among their coreligionist human shields, there is an easy 4 step plan 100% under their control.

    -1- Release all hostages
    -2- Lay down arms
    -3- Turn over criminals
    -4- Disband

    Blaming the Jewish and Christian victims of Muslim/Islamophile aggression makes no sense. Such lack of focus is both immoral and prolongs the problems.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/02/12/where-are-all-the-headlines-when-free-palestine-is-on-a-shooters-weapon-n3782797

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    I haven't given my opinion on human shields. I don't support the use of human shields but that has nothing to do with anything I said in post #16.

    Is it really that hard for you to respond to my actual statements instead of using your imagination?

    I asked why we should send Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.

    Israel is a middle income country with a budget surplus. Why is the "America First" wing of Congress so adamant on sending them money? Why do they need it?

    Both you and the other MAGA supporters at Unz have not answered this question.

    The MAGA movement is rotten to the core. It's a bunch of confused Evangelicals that believe the world will soon end and can only agree on sending Israel a check for 14 billion and voting for a felon who bragged about cheating on his wife.

    Evangelicals have lost it. They went extra batty after COVID and haven't returned to semi-crazy.

    A bizarre movement where writing Israel a check is more important than locking down the border where it seems we have every country represented. A record number of Chinese went through the southern border:
    https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-migration-us-skyrocketed-homeland-security-1831796

    Replies: @A123, @Derer

  36. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?
     
    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer? In the interest of comity I will humour you. I am a Christian... And thus, a Judeo-Christian.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    • Do I believe in Jesus Christ? Yes.
    • Do I believe in opposing the Anti-Christ? Yes.

    Supporting indigenous Palestinian Jews who are DEFENDING themselves against Satanic attacks is a "no brainer". Defeating Muslim warmongers makes obvious sense. Ejecting evil is the price that must be paid to obtain peace.
    ____

    Let me jump ahead to the inevitable next question.

    The bulk of the population in Ukraine is Orthodox Christian. This is unlike the raping and murdering Jihadist horror in Gaza. There, the bulk of the population believes in the SatanoAllah and the Anti-Christ Muhammad.

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced. A rational Ukrainian, Orthodox Christian leader could negotiate a peace deal with Moscow. There is no comparable path available to deal with the Satan worshipping Jihadist settlers occupying Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

    ================================
        Muslim Colonies are the Problem.
    Muslim Decolonization is the Answer!
    ================================


    Similar situations and solutions apply in Germany, France, UK, and other contaminated countries in Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Vajradhara

    A great Republican:

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail

    I watched a bit of it. Sadly, Napolitano asked some poor questions. For example, "Why doesn't Biden call Netanyahu to stop the fighting?" Blinken was already sent to demand Israeli surrender and was wisely ignored by Netanyahu. Biggs missed the opportunity to give the correct answer, "No one listens to the current White House occupant."

    Napolitano also whiffed when suggested the U.S. has influence over BoJo when the 2022 deal was scuttled. Scholz and BoJo collaborated to that end. The Veggie-In-Chief's administration was utterly without influence.

    UK, French, and German leaders may be weak... However, they are paragons of agency and executive power versus the absolute vacuum we are saddled with in America.

    PEACE 😇

  37. @Mr. XYZ
    It's quite interesting that it was a Prussian who was one of the first people to advocate in favor of the idea that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, back in the 1600s:

    https://www.time.com/6693504/vladimir-putin-history-myths-russia-ukraine-debunked/


    That idea is not new. Many Russian writers and historians are complicit in facilitating this false myth. It is their words and thoughts over the past 350 years that sowed the seeds of Russian fascism and allowed it to flourish, although many would be horrified today to see the fruits of their labor. Writers and intellectuals failed to spot just how deadly the very idea of Russia as a “great empire” was. (Of course, any “empire” is evil, but let different historians judge other empires.) We overlooked the fact that, for many centuries, “great Russian history” belittled other countries and peoples, suppressed and destroyed them.

    Describing Ukrainians as Russians started back in the 17th century. The first person who did it was a German monk named Innokenty Gizel; a native of Königsberg who grew up in a Protestant family but moved to Kyiv in his youth and embraced Orthodoxy. At that time Ukraine was a part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    Gizel considered Muslims, that is, the Ottoman Empire, as well as the West, the Catholics, in particular those in Poland and the Jesuit order, to be a great threat to Orthodoxy, his beloved Kyiv, and the entire Ukraine. And he was more than an ordinary monk, he was an abbot of Kyiv’s main monastery, an important political figure. So he decided to find a reliable political partner, the Moscow Tsar.

    So he wrote a book. Not a historical study, rather a tool, or weapon, for diplomatic negotiations. Innokenty’s target audience was Moscow-based diplomats—to exert moral pressure on them. He needed to induce the Muscovite tsar to enter into a military alliance with the Ukrainians and give them security guarantees in their war against Poland. He tinkered with history to achieve the desired end result: to prove that Kyiv and Moscow were directly related and hence the Muscovite tsar was duty bound to assist Kyiv.

    In the early 17th-century, the tsardom of Russia (also known as Muscovy) looked nothing like a Great Empire. On the contrary it was considered weak and unable to protect its own borders. The fact is that the country cannot move on from the reign of Ivan the Terrible, who sat on the throne for fifty years, the longest-serving ruler in Russian history (not even Putin will beat that…). After his death, in 1584, society remained crushed and demoralized for decades to come. Polish troops occupied Moscow for a long period of time. Then a Russian militia recaptured Moscow and the Poles retreated. However, for a long time to come, the Muscovite rulers will assiduously abstain from campaigns of conquest—and were not willing to declare war on the Poles to assist Ukrainians.

    Innokenty Gizel has never been to Moscow, but his aim was to create the illusion that it and Kyiv share a common history. A modern-day critic might say that the Prussian-born Innokenty invented what today is known as russkiy mir (the Russian world)—but that would not be entirely accurate. In essence, he invented a single nation, supposedly with a common history. And this Rus is inhabited by a single people, Gizel claims.

    In his book he made a connection and subordinated all historical logic to it. In his world view, Kyiv was once the capital of some abstract supranational Russia. Then it was Moscow.

    For contemporaries of Innokenty Gizel, this revision of history is nothing short of revolutionary. Moreover, he claims the existence of an all-embracing “pan-Russian Orthodox people,” uniting all the East Slavs (the forebears of modern-day Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians) under one umbrella. Moscow, incidentally, thought otherwise. The Muscovite Orthodox Church did not even consider the Christians of Kyiv to be coreligionists. If a resident of the city in the seventeenth century wanted to move to Moscow, he must have been rebaptized, as Muscovite priests considered Ukrainian Orthodoxy to be a different faith.

    Innokenty Gizel’s tendentious tome was published under the title Synopsis. It quickly transcended immediate political interests and unexpectedly became a bestseller of the day. Naturally, Synopsis greatly appealed to Alexis Romanov, the Russian tsar at the time.

    A second, then third, edition of Synopsis was published. Translations into Latin and Greek soon followed. Finally, under the next Russian tsar, Alexis’s son the future Peter the Great, Synopsis became in the 1700s the standard textbook on Russian history. Over the coming centuries, Synopsis would form the blueprint for Russian scholars (Vasily Tatishchev, Nikolay Karamzin, Sergey Solovyov, Vasily Klyuchevsky, et al.) in penning their own versions of Russian history. And in the 21st-century Putin would believe it and would propagandize this myth.
     

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

    Gizel isn’t the myth maker unlike those disagreeing with him. Zelensky is on record for earlier saying the same.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikhail


    Gizel isn’t the myth maker unlike those disagreeing with him. Zelensky is on record for earlier saying the same.
     
    Rather, Zelensky had said the same, but obviously not before Gizel and others.
  38. @Mr. XYZ
    Question for any Serbs here: Had Austria-Hungary managed to successfully conquer Serbia in the 18th century and hold onto it until at least the early 20th century, would the Serbs nowadays be mostly Uniates instead of mostly Eastern Orthodox?

    I previously asked AP this question here:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-241/#comment-6413483

    Also, a question for AP: Had Poland gotten the Curzon Line as its eastern border in 1921, would Poland have been more receptive to the idea of an alliance with Nazi Germany in 1939, in this scenario for the purpose of reconquering the Kresy from the Soviet Union?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    FYI, most Ukrainians in the former Hapsburg ruled Ukraine are Orthodox Christians. There’s also the example of the Romanians under Hapsburg rule.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    According to this map, this is inaccurate:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ok2yxp/christianity_in_ukraine/

    Also according to this map:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/67hf84/religions_in_ukraine_2015_1000_x_7000_oc/

    Galicia appears to be slightly more Greek Catholic than Eastern Orthodox, though maybe this would not be true for ex-Hapsburg Ukraine as a whole due to the inclusion of northern Bukovina. I doubt this, however, because AFAIK northern Bukovina's population is relatively small in comparison to that of Galicia.

    The Romanians under Hapsburg rule actually did significantly become Uniates (Greek Catholics) in northern Transylvania, just not in southern Transylvania or in Bukovina. I don't know what specifically the reason for this discrepancy was. But Yeah, northern Transylvania was still Uniate-majority as late as 1930:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/cb72ux/the_percentage_of_greekcatholics_in_romania_1930/

    The Uniate Church was subsequently aggressively suppressed by the Romanian Communists.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    BTW, I have a question for you, AP, and the other people here:

    Had Franz Ferdinand lived and Hungary would have tried to establish independence again in response to any attempt by Franz Ferdinand to implement (or impose) universal suffrage in Hungary, could Serbia, with Franco-Russian support*, have used the occasion of an Austro-Hungarian civil war, especially one that does not end quickly, as an opportunity to try doing a Donbass in Vojvodina and Bosnia? As in, sponsoring a separatist rebellion there, perhaps in the hope of directly annexing this territory to Serbia sooner or later?

    *Without Franco-Russian support, Serbia won't try doing this. It needs both French and Russian support at a bare minimum to attempt this.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356481678/figure/fig1/AS:1094756910280704@1638021795024/Map-of-the-ethnic-demography-and-urban-population-of-the-Austro-Hungarian-Monarchy-1910.jpg

    The Serb-majority parts of Austria-Hungary are in green on this map.

  39. @AnonfromTN
    @Nontropy


    No matter what new religion this guy devotes his soul to, he just can’t stop always being wrong about everything.
     
    Be kind to mentally disturbed people. Although medications cannot cure mental disorders, ridicule can’t, either. We cannot help the sufferers, but we can have pity on them.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    To be fair to Karlin – his aims could be purely mercenary.

    To his credit, I never particularly thought to ask what his job was – if its something in a field that was changed negatively by the sanctions and break with the west. Plus , as a blogger the type that he is , doing weekly or twice a week blogposts in his style isn’t suited to localised, attritional warfare (irrelevant of the high kill ratio Russia’s advantage) – with tactical and even strategic objectives not yet 100% clear to the public from Russia or the globalhomo side. Anything that isn’t a 1 day victory and immediate 50 trillion dollar payout to Russia isn’t going to be suitable to a blogger wanting to make big statements and predictions like him to a mostly western readership.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    To be fair to Karlin – his aims could be purely mercenary.
     
    So, your theory is that he is not mad, just mercenary. That’s a viable hypothesis: people (including some commenters here) were saying crazier things for money.

    From my POV, if he is mad, he deserves pity; if he is mercenary, he deserves contempt. In either case there is no point reading whatever he writes.
  40. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogxim

    Did you ever get around to reading the
    humans = chimps + pigs
    fellow's stuff?

    Replies: @songbird

    IMO, McCarthy is too interested in his specific theory. The more fascinating things are the generalities of hybridization, its known examples, and the glancing references, like when one of his detractors said that even in crosses between some humans, sperm and egg will not have the right proteins to recognize each other.

    I wonder whether the Pampas fox was assigned to the wrong genus. I know with birds, they have sometimes reassigned them based on genetics, but am not sure how it would work with a whole genus, rather than a species.

    Same genus as dogs but still interesting:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackal%E2%80%93dog_hybrid#Sulimov_dog

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The Sumilov dog is great example.

    I don't believe McCarthy's theory myself but his pages are endlessly fascinating to me regardless. Sometimes I get the impression reading them they are just his personal thought experiment, like suppose the gray aliens are time traveling Ashkenazi Jews trying to debug their genetic line which the extant time line has them for a destination. Academic science fiction spitballing.

    The ratings have been published. Sunday's football game is the most watched television show ever. I don't know about the granularity of it. Soon they are going to tell us who got the most watched television advertisement ever.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39515554/super-bowl-lviii-sets-tv-ratings-record-1234m-viewers

    https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/fs/a6520e102838697.5f3f8d91960a3.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird

  41. @Mr. XYZ
    It's quite interesting that it was a Prussian who was one of the first people to advocate in favor of the idea that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, back in the 1600s:

    https://www.time.com/6693504/vladimir-putin-history-myths-russia-ukraine-debunked/


    That idea is not new. Many Russian writers and historians are complicit in facilitating this false myth. It is their words and thoughts over the past 350 years that sowed the seeds of Russian fascism and allowed it to flourish, although many would be horrified today to see the fruits of their labor. Writers and intellectuals failed to spot just how deadly the very idea of Russia as a “great empire” was. (Of course, any “empire” is evil, but let different historians judge other empires.) We overlooked the fact that, for many centuries, “great Russian history” belittled other countries and peoples, suppressed and destroyed them.

    Describing Ukrainians as Russians started back in the 17th century. The first person who did it was a German monk named Innokenty Gizel; a native of Königsberg who grew up in a Protestant family but moved to Kyiv in his youth and embraced Orthodoxy. At that time Ukraine was a part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    Gizel considered Muslims, that is, the Ottoman Empire, as well as the West, the Catholics, in particular those in Poland and the Jesuit order, to be a great threat to Orthodoxy, his beloved Kyiv, and the entire Ukraine. And he was more than an ordinary monk, he was an abbot of Kyiv’s main monastery, an important political figure. So he decided to find a reliable political partner, the Moscow Tsar.

    So he wrote a book. Not a historical study, rather a tool, or weapon, for diplomatic negotiations. Innokenty’s target audience was Moscow-based diplomats—to exert moral pressure on them. He needed to induce the Muscovite tsar to enter into a military alliance with the Ukrainians and give them security guarantees in their war against Poland. He tinkered with history to achieve the desired end result: to prove that Kyiv and Moscow were directly related and hence the Muscovite tsar was duty bound to assist Kyiv.

    In the early 17th-century, the tsardom of Russia (also known as Muscovy) looked nothing like a Great Empire. On the contrary it was considered weak and unable to protect its own borders. The fact is that the country cannot move on from the reign of Ivan the Terrible, who sat on the throne for fifty years, the longest-serving ruler in Russian history (not even Putin will beat that…). After his death, in 1584, society remained crushed and demoralized for decades to come. Polish troops occupied Moscow for a long period of time. Then a Russian militia recaptured Moscow and the Poles retreated. However, for a long time to come, the Muscovite rulers will assiduously abstain from campaigns of conquest—and were not willing to declare war on the Poles to assist Ukrainians.

    Innokenty Gizel has never been to Moscow, but his aim was to create the illusion that it and Kyiv share a common history. A modern-day critic might say that the Prussian-born Innokenty invented what today is known as russkiy mir (the Russian world)—but that would not be entirely accurate. In essence, he invented a single nation, supposedly with a common history. And this Rus is inhabited by a single people, Gizel claims.

    In his book he made a connection and subordinated all historical logic to it. In his world view, Kyiv was once the capital of some abstract supranational Russia. Then it was Moscow.

    For contemporaries of Innokenty Gizel, this revision of history is nothing short of revolutionary. Moreover, he claims the existence of an all-embracing “pan-Russian Orthodox people,” uniting all the East Slavs (the forebears of modern-day Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians) under one umbrella. Moscow, incidentally, thought otherwise. The Muscovite Orthodox Church did not even consider the Christians of Kyiv to be coreligionists. If a resident of the city in the seventeenth century wanted to move to Moscow, he must have been rebaptized, as Muscovite priests considered Ukrainian Orthodoxy to be a different faith.

    Innokenty Gizel’s tendentious tome was published under the title Synopsis. It quickly transcended immediate political interests and unexpectedly became a bestseller of the day. Naturally, Synopsis greatly appealed to Alexis Romanov, the Russian tsar at the time.

    A second, then third, edition of Synopsis was published. Translations into Latin and Greek soon followed. Finally, under the next Russian tsar, Alexis’s son the future Peter the Great, Synopsis became in the 1700s the standard textbook on Russian history. Over the coming centuries, Synopsis would form the blueprint for Russian scholars (Vasily Tatishchev, Nikolay Karamzin, Sergey Solovyov, Vasily Klyuchevsky, et al.) in penning their own versions of Russian history. And in the 21st-century Putin would believe it and would propagandize this myth.
     

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

    It was literally the same thought of every western ambassador, every western Ruler at the time you dumb shithead. And it was the thought of every getman, most Atamans

    One of the very few to promote the theory that “Ukrainians” ( well this was the Zaporizhian Cossacks , which have zero connection to most of the land and people of Ukraine) were not Russians was the former French Ambassador to the Russian Empire. Why is this amusing? There was then the French Revolution where the his superior, the Foreign Secretary got executed, so what did this former Ambassador do to save his head from an appointment with the guillotine? He of course went anti-Royalist, anti-French monarchy, anti-Russian monarchy – so wrote some amusing nonsense about the Zaporizhian Cossacks.

    You have snuff films, this was the worlds first snuff book!

    BTW have you looked at the names of who is in power in Banderastan you stupid cretin?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ... the theory that “Ukrainians” - well this was the Zaporizhian Cossacks , which have zero connection to most of the land and people of Ukraine - were not Russians
     
    We should leave it up to the people to decide who they are. Many can be both. The Galician (Western) Ukies have their own identity - language, history, folklore, even a half-and-half religion (Ortho-papism). It gradually tapers of to the east and south. The cities are mostly Russian. The Cossacks were originally a mish-mash of everyone who moved to the wild fields, their strongest identity was Orthodoxy.

    I wonder how this is going to play out. Russia will almost certainly win, but what to do with the residual Ukie hostility? Russia has traditionally preferred to put a lid on hard issues - they are not very industrious like the Westies. There will be a rump-Ukieland somewhere in the centre-west and it will be one unhappy bunch. The south-east will be partially depopulated but rich in resources - most of the good stuff in Ukraine is there. Millions of Ukies in Europe and Russia will quickly assimilate...

    To summarize the Ukie independence: they went from a 50-million, France-sized, rich country with great education and geography to a middling, isolated half-size battlefield. In return they got material for future teary myths, weapons, visas, speeches, and Zelko travelled a lot - who can forget the standing ovation in the Canadian Parliament? That was the apogee - an elderly Nazi saluted by the Westies (finally, they could show it) and the Ukie-Jew grinning and pretending that he "knows nothing"...What a show! If Hollywood had any brains it is quite a story...But they prefer happy-endings.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

  42. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    To be fair to Karlin - his aims could be purely mercenary.

    To his credit, I never particularly thought to ask what his job was - if its something in a field that was changed negatively by the sanctions and break with the west. Plus , as a blogger the type that he is , doing weekly or twice a week blogposts in his style isn't suited to localised, attritional warfare (irrelevant of the high kill ratio Russia's advantage) - with tactical and even strategic objectives not yet 100% clear to the public from Russia or the globalhomo side. Anything that isn't a 1 day victory and immediate 50 trillion dollar payout to Russia isn't going to be suitable to a blogger wanting to make big statements and predictions like him to a mostly western readership.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    To be fair to Karlin – his aims could be purely mercenary.

    So, your theory is that he is not mad, just mercenary. That’s a viable hypothesis: people (including some commenters here) were saying crazier things for money.

    From my POV, if he is mad, he deserves pity; if he is mercenary, he deserves contempt. In either case there is no point reading whatever he writes.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  43. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    IMO, McCarthy is too interested in his specific theory. The more fascinating things are the generalities of hybridization, its known examples, and the glancing references, like when one of his detractors said that even in crosses between some humans, sperm and egg will not have the right proteins to recognize each other.

    I wonder whether the Pampas fox was assigned to the wrong genus. I know with birds, they have sometimes reassigned them based on genetics, but am not sure how it would work with a whole genus, rather than a species.

    Same genus as dogs but still interesting:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackal%E2%80%93dog_hybrid#Sulimov_dog

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Sumilov dog is great example.

    I don’t believe McCarthy’s theory myself but his pages are endlessly fascinating to me regardless. Sometimes I get the impression reading them they are just his personal thought experiment, like suppose the gray aliens are time traveling Ashkenazi Jews trying to debug their genetic line which the extant time line has them for a destination. Academic science fiction spitballing.

    The ratings have been published. Sunday’s football game is the most watched television show ever. I don’t know about the granularity of it. Soon they are going to tell us who got the most watched television advertisement ever.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39515554/super-bowl-lviii-sets-tv-ratings-record-1234m-viewers

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Sunday’s football game is the most watched television show ever.
     
    Wow! So, I did not watch the most watched television show ever. Didn’t even know about it. I am proud of this achievement. Have to confess, this was easy for me: I was never interested in watching any sports in any country. In my book the difference in the level of satisfaction between playing and watching sports is the same as between having sex and watching someone else have sex.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Didn't watch the Superbowl, but I tried to read a bit about the ads.

    Only one that stood out to me was one called "Stop the Jewish Hate.". What I found curious about it is that they had the guy who was MLK's speechwriter and they called him his speechwriter, which I considered breaking a taboo, esp. during Black History Month. (The idea is always that "I Have a Dream" was his sentiment and not something he was reading.). But it was so short (ten seconds) that I don't think it registered with most people.
    _____
    They were forecasting a really big snowstorm today, and I am shocked how wrong they got it. They cancelled school and a lot of people didn't go into work. But hardly anything accumulated. Can still see patches of grass.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  44. @sudden death
    No more worries about nuclear war on Earth cause charitable UFOs not gonna let it happen by blowing nuclear warheads out of the sky;)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Sol Foundation (Christopher Mellon, Gary Nolan) has finally put the talks from their November 2023 S-UAP bowl conference up on youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/@_SolFoundation/videos

    The Leslie Kean one is missing. Apparently Eric Davis or Eric Davis’s presentation got deleted from the program. They don’t have the discussions so it remains a rumor that Russell Targ asked Avi Loeb when he was still at the podium in front of the entire room how does he get away with calling himself an astrophysicist when he hasn’t published a paper in twenty years.

  45. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The Sumilov dog is great example.

    I don't believe McCarthy's theory myself but his pages are endlessly fascinating to me regardless. Sometimes I get the impression reading them they are just his personal thought experiment, like suppose the gray aliens are time traveling Ashkenazi Jews trying to debug their genetic line which the extant time line has them for a destination. Academic science fiction spitballing.

    The ratings have been published. Sunday's football game is the most watched television show ever. I don't know about the granularity of it. Soon they are going to tell us who got the most watched television advertisement ever.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39515554/super-bowl-lviii-sets-tv-ratings-record-1234m-viewers

    https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/fs/a6520e102838697.5f3f8d91960a3.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird

    Sunday’s football game is the most watched television show ever.

    Wow! So, I did not watch the most watched television show ever. Didn’t even know about it. I am proud of this achievement. Have to confess, this was easy for me: I was never interested in watching any sports in any country. In my book the difference in the level of satisfaction between playing and watching sports is the same as between having sex and watching someone else have sex.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Wow! So, I did not watch the most watched television show ever. Didn’t even know about it. I am proud of this achievement.

    I watched the second half on mute while doing chores. I wonder how many people are intensely watching the game vs having a laptop out.

    But in any case it doesn't surprise me at all. There aren't many sports on TV this time of year and the prime time shows are just awful.

    In my book the difference in the level of satisfaction between playing and watching sports is the same as between having sex and watching someone else have sex.

    I've played sports and have had plenty of sex.

    Sports can be fun but like any group activity it just takes a couple annoying a-holes to ruin it. Sex followed by sports on tv is not a bad way to go.

    In America we certainly have too much TV watching and a lot of bad parents. I see these overweight kids with their overweight parents. Sad really. These kids become convinced they are bad at sports and their parents allow it. The fat family phenomenon where being fat tv watchers is part of their identity.

    Another problem is that a lame coach or PE teacher can turn a kid off of sports permanently. I've been involved in kid sports and I cannot believe some of the coaches. I said recently in a Sailer thread that I would be hesitant over kid football because of the coaches. A d-bag coach in soccer is just annoying but some jackass football coach can give your kid a permanent injury with one mistake. My wife knows someone whose kid got messed up because the coach allowed them to do a couple plays without pads before practice.

  46. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    What's interesting is that some far-right US conservatives have even converted to Russian Orthodoxy in an attempt to "spite the libs":

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts#:~:text=Sarkisian%20said%20these%20converts%20often,like%20LGBTQ%20rights%2C%20gender%20equality.


    Atheism in crowds could be indeed pro-peace but it leads to individuals like Putin that believe in nothing and for whom lives are worthless. Nietzche predicted this exact scenario. Atheism intially appears to promote a secular morality that is better than Christianity but is then overshadowed by ideologies or leaders that completely devalue the individual.

     

    Your views on this are similar to those of Emil Kirkegaard, who laments that religion was replaced with worse ideologies such as Communism even while he himself was and still remains an atheist:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2023/12/my-conversation-story-or-a-brief-autobiography/

    Thus, if we were to summarize my conversion story, one can say that it started with school-day atheism, then went into evolutionary biology and generalized skepticism, then a brief stint as a Marxist (with long hair and poor clothes!), then back to reality with more reading of Dawkins’ biology books, then converted to IQ realism by Linda Gottfredson and Richard Lynn, and finally hammered home by the cold logic of Arthur Jensen. My politics thus evolved from generic leftist, to radical leftist, to small l libertarian upon learning that most government programs basically don’t work, and can’t work well in general due to the dominance of genetics and luck in determining life outcomes. I haven’t really changed my mind about the truth of atheism, but I have come to see religion as a positive force given that it is often replaced with even worse ideas (communism!).
     

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Your views on this are similar to those of Emil Kirkegaard, who laments that religion was replaced with worse ideologies such as Communism even while he himself was and still remains an atheist:

    For the record I’m not an atheist and I am not as pessimistic as Nietzche.

    But after being around secular Whites I certainly lost my faith in secularism.

    I don’t believe in ostracizing the secular but I also don’t believe that removing Christian will herald some new age of enlightenment.

    I’ve met too many Whites that replaced Christianity with liberalism while believing they were no longer religious. It was in fact unnerving as to how quickly they would switch to group identity if their beliefs were threatened. If you pointed out how the liberal belief of evolution frozen at 100k bc for some traits doesn’t make sense they would switch to a group defensive strategy. They don’t consider what you have to say and re-assess. They vote you off the island for being a stupid head meanie science hater that must be a secret right-wing Christian. I’ve had liberals scream Christian related epithets even though I didn’t say anything remotely Christian. They will rally into the tribe and beat their shields while telling themselves they are on the side of science. Makes me think of how quickly the Communists went into killing even though they viewed themselves as secular and idealistic. All it takes is a psycho like Lenin to lead the tribe in that direction.

  47. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    The Orthodox population is in decline.

    Orthodoxy itself in Russia is mostly for show. As I said, church-going rates like in Sweden, despite the nice churches being built (good kick-backs).

    Replies: @Beckow

    Orthodoxy itself in Russia is mostly for show

    That can be equally said about Vatican and the Anglo-Lgbtq churches, external displays of religion are mostly for show. Don’t you know that?

    You specialize in discovering “bad stuff about the enemy” that turns out to be the same stuff you have at home. There is a bible parable describing it.

    Still better that the unhinged Nietsche (or Hitler) worshipper Johnson who is now picking a fight with the Buddhists. He will soon march with “Independence for Buriatia!” and “Free Buriats from the Half-Asiatic Russians!“…

    Too bad you guys are losing so badly, this Anglo-idiocy has become quite amusing…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    That can be equally said about Vatican and the Anglo-Lgbtq churches, external displays of religion are mostly for show
     
    This is often the case in the West, but it is even worse in Russia, it is much more so.

    Too bad you guys are losing so badly
     
    Because Russia has lost thousands of troops to take a few streets in Avdiivka? By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success because a few villages were liberated. With fewer losses than Russians have had at Avdiivka.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

  48. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Sunday’s football game is the most watched television show ever.
     
    Wow! So, I did not watch the most watched television show ever. Didn’t even know about it. I am proud of this achievement. Have to confess, this was easy for me: I was never interested in watching any sports in any country. In my book the difference in the level of satisfaction between playing and watching sports is the same as between having sex and watching someone else have sex.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Wow! So, I did not watch the most watched television show ever. Didn’t even know about it. I am proud of this achievement.

    I watched the second half on mute while doing chores. I wonder how many people are intensely watching the game vs having a laptop out.

    But in any case it doesn’t surprise me at all. There aren’t many sports on TV this time of year and the prime time shows are just awful.

    In my book the difference in the level of satisfaction between playing and watching sports is the same as between having sex and watching someone else have sex.

    I’ve played sports and have had plenty of sex.

    Sports can be fun but like any group activity it just takes a couple annoying a-holes to ruin it. Sex followed by sports on tv is not a bad way to go.

    In America we certainly have too much TV watching and a lot of bad parents. I see these overweight kids with their overweight parents. Sad really. These kids become convinced they are bad at sports and their parents allow it. The fat family phenomenon where being fat tv watchers is part of their identity.

    Another problem is that a lame coach or PE teacher can turn a kid off of sports permanently. I’ve been involved in kid sports and I cannot believe some of the coaches. I said recently in a Sailer thread that I would be hesitant over kid football because of the coaches. A d-bag coach in soccer is just annoying but some jackass football coach can give your kid a permanent injury with one mistake. My wife knows someone whose kid got messed up because the coach allowed them to do a couple plays without pads before practice.

  49. The Bonin Islands are a fascinating place. Not only were they the place where the Japanese almost cannibalized George H. W. Bush.

    It’s demographic history is equally interesting.

    In 1875 the Japanese invaded the islands then in 1876 the islands were put under the direct control of the Home Ministry. Further foreign settlement was banned, and the government assisted settlers who wished to relocate there from mainland Japan. The islands’ forests were also cut down for sugar cane production. Colonists largely segregated themselves in two different villages, one for the Americans and the other for the Japanese. Islanders of European and US ancestry were eventually granted Japanese nationality in 1882. Jack London visited the islands in 1893.

    In 1917, 60–70 island people claimed ancestry among the 19th-century English-speaking settlers; however, in 1941, no Bonin people would acknowledge descent from these early colonists. The current residents include some who claim to be related to Nathaniel Savory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Savory

    Following Japan’s defeat the islands were controlled by the United States Navy for the next 23 years, which the Westerners referred to as “Navy Time.” All residents except those descended from the original settlers (the Ōbeikei Islanders) and/or related to them by marriage were expelled, while pre-war inhabitants of White American or European ancestry were allowed to return. Properties of exiled Japanese were bulldozed as part of the Navy’s management of nuclear weapons on Chichijima. In 1956, the residents petitioned for American annexation of the islands but received no response. In 1968, the United States government returned the Bonins to Japanese control. The Islanders choose to either become Japanese nationals or to receive American citizenship and repatriate to the United States.

  50. @Mikhail
    @A123

    A great Republican:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzF5Vw-TNgE

    Replies: @A123

    I watched a bit of it. Sadly, Napolitano asked some poor questions. For example, “Why doesn’t Biden call Netanyahu to stop the fighting?” Blinken was already sent to demand Israeli surrender and was wisely ignored by Netanyahu. Biggs missed the opportunity to give the correct answer, “No one listens to the current White House occupant.”

    Napolitano also whiffed when suggested the U.S. has influence over BoJo when the 2022 deal was scuttled. Scholz and BoJo collaborated to that end. The Veggie-In-Chief’s administration was utterly without influence.

    UK, French, and German leaders may be weak… However, they are paragons of agency and executive power versus the absolute vacuum we are saddled with in America.

    PEACE 😇

  51. @John Johnson
    @A123


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

     

    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer?

    I really don't know the answer. I have asked many Trump supporters that question and most of them have ignored it. They celebrate MAGA as being an America First movement and then ignore the question of why so many House Republicans are currently Israel First.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    LOL the IDF incursion into Gaza is a defensive measure? How am I called the Jew here? That is hilarious.

    Ok so you believe this is a spiritual war and some 10 year old Palestinian that loses an eye and a leg was in league with a demonic underlord who has two penises and likes to shapeshift into a crow.

    Let's say the aforementioned is true.

    Why does Israel need $14 billion dollars if they have a budget surplus?

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced.

    You do acknowledge the following about Russia, correct?

    Russia has:
    1. World's highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe's largest Muslim population
    4. Europe's largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe's largest HIV population
    6. Europe's largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine

    Why are you certain that Putin is not on the side of satan? You believe he is a God fearing Christian man even though he lamented the breakup of the USSR? An empire whose official doctrine declared religion to be the enemy? Do explain how a Christian could miss the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    Russia has:
    1. World’s highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe’s largest Muslim population
    4. Europe’s largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe’s largest HIV population
    6. Europe’s largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine

    Russia is by far Europe’s largest country you dumb bag of shit spambot – so points 3-6 are the most idiotic possible . It would be like talking about Switzerland having the highest numbers of defective Rolex’s.

    Point 2 is an amusingly stupid lie. Russia’s alcoholism rate is nowhere near the top, and our rates are repeatedly going down – even though much of our climate is conducive to higher alcohol rates. For those of us who have gone to Finland – mocking the Finns for the alcoholism is a frequent topic/joke of Russians about the alcohol-sickos in abundance in Finland streets you idiot. Lithuania, Czechia, Latvia, Moldova,probably Bulgaria and Germany and Estonia drink significantly more. We are not even in the top 10 – even though the history is we are less beer or wine dominant overall compared to spirits than the west. Drink-driving scum at daytime is a different issue though which we need to restrict further.

    Point 5 – is caused by Fentanyl reject Pindostan’s illegal war in Afganistan and subsequent flow of opiates into ex USSR. STD or faggot AIDS – when it was a “competition” had the USA light years ahead “winning” in front of USSR and Russia you thick retard.

    Point 7 is of course idiotic nonsense, based on Ukrainian” statistics” which is of course an oxymoron. Russia is a more spiritual and Orthodox country than Banderastan.
    Also – in Russia the jew ( well, for A123’s lets say the anti-semitic, or islamophile jew Zelensky) doesnt dictate to people what day to celebrate Christmas. Orthodox culture and activities permeate far more into everyday life of Russians than they do to Ukrops (both before SMO and after – where they are not even trying to not be blasphemous). Leaders of Ukraine are the Jew with Jewish PM and Jewish Chief Staff – then the probably closet Jew, son of jailed gangster, heavily involved in Moldovan black market ( with some very immoral things) for years – Poroshenko……who also had a Jewish PM and Chief of Staff. Then before that you had the American Baptist “preacher” satanist freak – who also could possibly have been a Jew, and his PM, Yatsenyuk probably is Jewish.
    Then you look at the satanic policies these freaks have done over the years………and you are talking about “Orthodoxy” in this fake country you disgusting sack of faeces?

    Amusingly – of the thing we have idiotically been charged “War crimes” over – I think Orthodoxy (not just good moral secularism/social justice) at the core of modern Russia and being the antithesis of post-Soviet Banderastan are the factor behind this fake charge. Its primarily Orthodox families adopting these kids – who are from backgrounds of completely broken families in broken, anti-religious state structure of Ukraine – who are being rescued from this warzone and disastrous system of Ukraine. The number of childrens themselves not living with their families, having to be rescued by Orthodox Russian families doesnt say much about “Orthodox” Ukraine either

    Point1.

    1.Again we keep accurate measure, so who knows the true abortion rate for the others.
    2.Higher pill use and history of the pill use in the west compared to Russia
    3.Perfectly balanced out (and more) by American whores having much higher teenage pregnancy rates!!!
    4.Data is also skewed by more Russians living in cities compared to other white countries ( I am specific on cities here, not a full “urban” metric which would classify the suburbs the same as the city). Higher city population=higher abortion rates in any white city.
    5. Abortion Rate has descended significantly down , precisely because we are richer and more religious country- and anyway that needs to be looked at simultaneously with our birth rates , which are similar and actually better than most European countries………and of course massively ahead of Ukraine’s disastrously low rates and ahead of the Polish faggot fake Catholics.
    6. It’s a fact that the Russian state policy is more anti-abortion then western states who are pro-abortion as part of some sick feminist cult. Russian state policy is through inducement not to abort instead of forced legislation banning it. Russian state doctors probably the same as western state doctors – many for or neutral to abortion, particularly if there is a hint( not definite) that kid could be born with problems.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Russia is by far Europe’s largest country you dumb bag of shit spambot – so points 3-6 are the most idiotic possible . It would be like talking about Switzerland having the highest numbers of defective Rolex’s.

    So large countries must have the largest number of Muslims, atheists, HIV patients and Buddhists?

    Does that make sense to you? Once a country gets large enough it explodes with atheists and HIV patients?

    Are you talking area mass or population? Maybe do some reading before calling me names. You're just embarrassing yourself.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rfnw6sOj8ao/maxresdefault.jpg

    Russia’s alcoholism rate is nowhere near the top, and our rates are repeatedly going down – even though much of our climate is conducive to higher alcohol rates.

    Actually the newest stats have been released and Hungary is now #1 with Russia at #2.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country

    I will make a note of that when debunking the frozen tradcon wonderland delusion that you and others desperately try to cling to despite evidence that says otherwise. Russia is still #2 at alcoholism and Belarus is no longer #1. Congrats to Belarus.

    Point 7 is of course idiotic nonsense, based on Ukrainian” statistics” which is of course an oxymoron. Russia is a more spiritual and Orthodox country than Banderastan.

    Wrong again. Ukraine has a higher percentage of Christians than Russia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

    Why would that be a surprise given the number of Buddhists, Muslims and atheists in Russia?

    Your response is a big emotional mess. You're clearly attached to Putin and are uninterested in facing basic demographic facts about Russia. It's pathetic. Just stop.

    Again we keep accurate measure, so who knows the true abortion rate for the others.

    You are saying we should trust Russian data given how low they are on global corruption indexes? Was Russia telling the truth about their military size and especially infantry?

    Russia has the world's highest abortion rate and it is fully subsidized under Putin's government. When you have that many atheists the life of an unborn child becomes commonly meaningless.

    Russia's cities are dens of atheism where 21 year old women party and shrug over getting an abortion. That is the reality that Putin's fans don't like facing. The Western degeneracy they despise is actually worse in some Russian cities. Moscow has far more of an abortion culture than Prague or Warsaw. They also have a rather crass prostitution district that is not helping with their HIV epidemic. I can back that all day with stats so try to defend your dwarf here along other lines.

    You're really not a good dwarf defender. Beckow and Mikhail are much better at it. They don't bother trying to defend Russia's abortion or HIV rates. Take some lessons from them.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  52. @A123
    @John Johnson

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields? (1)


    Where Are All the Headlines When 'Free Palestine' Is On a Shooter's Assault Weapon?

     

    What a horribly frightening time it had to be at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church near Houston yesterday afternoon.

    A woman who walked into a popular Texas megachurch Sunday afternoon with a long gun and a young child opened fire before she was killed by law enforcement officers on scene. The gunfire left the child in critical condition and another man injured, officials said.
     
    The little guy who was shot turns out to be the child who came with the shooter. Tragically, he is not expected to survive, and I can only surmise he was struck by the rounds from security guards returning fire.
    ___

    I am a little put out by the coverage on the major news media platforms, though. For some reason, there seems to be a deliberate skewing of terms here, and I can't quite pinpoint why.


    The Houston church shooter had antisemitic writing in her home in addition to “Free Palestine” written on her rifle. Her ex-husband’s family was Jewish and she had animus towards them.

    But that doesn’t explain why she went to a mega church.
     


     
    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works. If Hamas wants to end the suffering, especially among their coreligionist human shields, there is an easy 4 step plan 100% under their control.

    -1- Release all hostages
    -2- Lay down arms
    -3- Turn over criminals
    -4- Disband

    Blaming the Jewish and Christian victims of Muslim/Islamophile aggression makes no sense. Such lack of focus is both immoral and prolongs the problems.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/02/12/where-are-all-the-headlines-when-free-palestine-is-on-a-shooters-weapon-n3782797

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields. I don’t support the use of human shields but that has nothing to do with anything I said in post #16.

    Is it really that hard for you to respond to my actual statements instead of using your imagination?

    I asked why we should send Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.

    Israel is a middle income country with a budget surplus. Why is the “America First” wing of Congress so adamant on sending them money? Why do they need it?

    Both you and the other MAGA supporters at Unz have not answered this question.

    The MAGA movement is rotten to the core. It’s a bunch of confused Evangelicals that believe the world will soon end and can only agree on sending Israel a check for 14 billion and voting for a felon who bragged about cheating on his wife.

    Evangelicals have lost it. They went extra batty after COVID and haven’t returned to semi-crazy.

    A bizarre movement where writing Israel a check is more important than locking down the border where it seems we have every country represented. A record number of Chinese went through the southern border:
    https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-migration-us-skyrocketed-homeland-security-1831796

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?
     
    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.
     
    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @John Johnson

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson

    JoJo...this is one of your better posts.

  53. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. XYZ

    It was literally the same thought of every western ambassador, every western Ruler at the time you dumb shithead. And it was the thought of every getman, most Atamans

    One of the very few to promote the theory that "Ukrainians" ( well this was the Zaporizhian Cossacks , which have zero connection to most of the land and people of Ukraine) were not Russians was the former French Ambassador to the Russian Empire. Why is this amusing? There was then the French Revolution where the his superior, the Foreign Secretary got executed, so what did this former Ambassador do to save his head from an appointment with the guillotine? He of course went anti-Royalist, anti-French monarchy, anti-Russian monarchy - so wrote some amusing nonsense about the Zaporizhian Cossacks.

    You have snuff films, this was the worlds first snuff book!

    BTW have you looked at the names of who is in power in Banderastan you stupid cretin?

    Replies: @Beckow

    … the theory that “Ukrainians” – well this was the Zaporizhian Cossacks , which have zero connection to most of the land and people of Ukraine – were not Russians

    We should leave it up to the people to decide who they are. Many can be both. The Galician (Western) Ukies have their own identity – language, history, folklore, even a half-and-half religion (Ortho-papism). It gradually tapers of to the east and south. The cities are mostly Russian. The Cossacks were originally a mish-mash of everyone who moved to the wild fields, their strongest identity was Orthodoxy.

    I wonder how this is going to play out. Russia will almost certainly win, but what to do with the residual Ukie hostility? Russia has traditionally preferred to put a lid on hard issues – they are not very industrious like the Westies. There will be a rump-Ukieland somewhere in the centre-west and it will be one unhappy bunch. The south-east will be partially depopulated but rich in resources – most of the good stuff in Ukraine is there. Millions of Ukies in Europe and Russia will quickly assimilate…

    To summarize the Ukie independence: they went from a 50-million, France-sized, rich country with great education and geography to a middling, isolated half-size battlefield. In return they got material for future teary myths, weapons, visas, speeches, and Zelko travelled a lot – who can forget the standing ovation in the Canadian Parliament? That was the apogee – an elderly Nazi saluted by the Westies (finally, they could show it) and the Ukie-Jew grinning and pretending that he “knows nothing”…What a show! If Hollywood had any brains it is quite a story…But they prefer happy-endings.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Beckow


    We should leave it up to the people to decide who they are
     
    That's the problem - Ukrainianism is a Austrian and Polish created ideology. Too much of non-Galician culture, the Galician wackos try to claim as their own, even though it is from the Russian side.
    Literally WTF is the Uniate Church? Its a non-religious, anti-Russia created freakshow. A bizarre creation.
    Except for Yushchenko, EVERY Ukrop "election" has been a deceit of ukrops thinking they were voting for the most pro-Russian, least anti-Russian candidate - with each of these dirtbags turning this sentiment into anti-Russian policies

    This perfectly illustrates itself in the modern day. If you want to disassociate from economic trade with Russia......then don't be a prostitute of the west and force Russia to direct gas through Soviet-era pipeline and beg to stop Nord Stream 2.

    Promote language policy similar to that of Canada or Switzerland

    Don't have a military lead by a Russian whose parents and brother have disowned this freak

    Many other things..but history and current practise proves that the biggest fear of Ukronazi cowards is that there is a "fair fight" between pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian ideologies - because as with the language issue it will be too much massive pro-Russian victory.

    I posted on the previous thread the hugely embarrassing statistic for Ukronazis......that in 1934 Lvov census of over 1.5 million people - it struggles to get past 50/50 of those calling themselves Ukrainians compared to those calling themselves Russian. Absolutely incredible! Thats with centuries of Polish and then about 60 years of non-stop Austrian project and money trying to convince them they are not Russian.

    And that's with mass propaganda, mass expulsions and emigration of russophiles, mass murder of Russians in WW1 concentration camps etc - and the best they can achieve in khokhol identification is 50/50!!!

    For sure, a different time now - but I don't think the core issues change, even with war. People who fought together on Russian side against Chechens are now fighting against each other in Ukraine, Chechens on opposing sides in the 1990's and later .....fighting again on opposite sides in 404. Reintegration with ukrops with their mass slave-psychosis, should be easier than expected - particularly if the west does to 404 what USSR did with Cuba after missile crisis.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    Podolyak, well-known Zelensky "advisor"/propagandist - his brother living in Moscow, working for FSB

    I have never given much, well any , attention to what this Podolyak scum has ever said - too much of a zero-power,zero-talent, infinite publicity creep typical of those at top in 404 - but this recent news certainly did get my attention.

    In some ways it's statistically normal - practically everyone has relative or close friend living in Russia, Ukraine and vice-versa. It doesn't change the sickening and amusing element of it though.
    You would think its exactly these connections that made our government hopeful that some sanity, ANY sanity would have woken in Banderastan from 2014-2021 that wouldn't have made their destruction now necessary. But it didn't happen

    Our government is responsible and cautious........ just SOME positive movement on just ONE of issues - Minsk Agreements, Derussication (language laws, religion, education , arrests etc) or stopping Nord Steam 2/forcing gas transit through 404 & other cheap "peremoga" using corrupt European courts......would have stopped or certainly delayed the start of SMO.
    But as I say, Ukrainianism as an ideology is a betrayal of your family, your religion and your culture & history.

    The amusing thing is that all these swine- Poroshenko, Sirsky (head of VSU), Zelensky, Danilov, Reznikov ( Defence Minister at start of SMO), Zelensky and Podolyak etc......not one of them would have been allowed to get equivalent job in Russia or ANY western countries. The security services would not have given then security clearance for information required because of these very close connections to "enemy state".

    Replies: @Beckow

  54. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    I haven't given my opinion on human shields. I don't support the use of human shields but that has nothing to do with anything I said in post #16.

    Is it really that hard for you to respond to my actual statements instead of using your imagination?

    I asked why we should send Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.

    Israel is a middle income country with a budget surplus. Why is the "America First" wing of Congress so adamant on sending them money? Why do they need it?

    Both you and the other MAGA supporters at Unz have not answered this question.

    The MAGA movement is rotten to the core. It's a bunch of confused Evangelicals that believe the world will soon end and can only agree on sending Israel a check for 14 billion and voting for a felon who bragged about cheating on his wife.

    Evangelicals have lost it. They went extra batty after COVID and haven't returned to semi-crazy.

    A bizarre movement where writing Israel a check is more important than locking down the border where it seems we have every country represented. A record number of Chinese went through the southern border:
    https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-migration-us-skyrocketed-homeland-security-1831796

    Replies: @A123, @Derer

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.

    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @A123


    Why do you refuse to answer the question?
     
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS82QOaxbg9DzFUHceDaHRVIx6W2AE0uDv7vQ&usqp.jpg


    https://carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/EV-Sales.png

    , @John Johnson
    @A123


    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.

     

    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    Let the record show that you refuse to answer the question about House MAGA Republicans and their desire to write Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.

    A pattern consistent not only with MAGA defenders but also "blame the Jew" bloggers that talk about Jewish influence in US politics but completely sidestep the MAGA wing of the House that is more concerned with writing Israel a check than fixing the border. Our MAGA House Republicans want to give financial aid to Israel even though they have a massive military advantage over a bunch of Arabs in tank tops with RPGs that don't even work against trophy armor (note that Scott Ritter was completely wrong about Hamas tactical efficacy). These House Republicans describe themselves as "America First" by not supporting Ukraine who could actually use our help.

    So you instead childishly respond to a direct question with a question of your own as you are trying to dance around the rhino in the room. Do you feel good as a man to engage in such childish reality avoidance? If you can formulate a clear question then I will try to answer it. We both know you are the one on the side of reality denial. In fact most of your postings related to MAGA are an endorsement that Trump's fans have gone off the deep end and seem to exist in a state of confusion. They are not only in denial of his pending felonies but seem to think it is just fine to write Israel a check for $14 billion while calling themselves 'Merica First.

    Replies: @A123

  55. @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    Russia has:
    1. World’s highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe’s largest Muslim population
    4. Europe’s largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe’s largest HIV population
    6. Europe’s largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine
     
    Russia is by far Europe's largest country you dumb bag of shit spambot - so points 3-6 are the most idiotic possible . It would be like talking about Switzerland having the highest numbers of defective Rolex's.

    Point 2 is an amusingly stupid lie. Russia's alcoholism rate is nowhere near the top, and our rates are repeatedly going down - even though much of our climate is conducive to higher alcohol rates. For those of us who have gone to Finland - mocking the Finns for the alcoholism is a frequent topic/joke of Russians about the alcohol-sickos in abundance in Finland streets you idiot. Lithuania, Czechia, Latvia, Moldova,probably Bulgaria and Germany and Estonia drink significantly more. We are not even in the top 10 - even though the history is we are less beer or wine dominant overall compared to spirits than the west. Drink-driving scum at daytime is a different issue though which we need to restrict further.

    Point 5 - is caused by Fentanyl reject Pindostan's illegal war in Afganistan and subsequent flow of opiates into ex USSR. STD or faggot AIDS - when it was a "competition" had the USA light years ahead "winning" in front of USSR and Russia you thick retard.

    Point 7 is of course idiotic nonsense, based on Ukrainian" statistics" which is of course an oxymoron. Russia is a more spiritual and Orthodox country than Banderastan.
    Also - in Russia the jew ( well, for A123's lets say the anti-semitic, or islamophile jew Zelensky) doesnt dictate to people what day to celebrate Christmas. Orthodox culture and activities permeate far more into everyday life of Russians than they do to Ukrops (both before SMO and after - where they are not even trying to not be blasphemous). Leaders of Ukraine are the Jew with Jewish PM and Jewish Chief Staff - then the probably closet Jew, son of jailed gangster, heavily involved in Moldovan black market ( with some very immoral things) for years - Poroshenko......who also had a Jewish PM and Chief of Staff. Then before that you had the American Baptist "preacher" satanist freak - who also could possibly have been a Jew, and his PM, Yatsenyuk probably is Jewish.
    Then you look at the satanic policies these freaks have done over the years.........and you are talking about "Orthodoxy" in this fake country you disgusting sack of faeces?

    Amusingly - of the thing we have idiotically been charged "War crimes" over - I think Orthodoxy (not just good moral secularism/social justice) at the core of modern Russia and being the antithesis of post-Soviet Banderastan are the factor behind this fake charge. Its primarily Orthodox families adopting these kids - who are from backgrounds of completely broken families in broken, anti-religious state structure of Ukraine - who are being rescued from this warzone and disastrous system of Ukraine. The number of childrens themselves not living with their families, having to be rescued by Orthodox Russian families doesnt say much about "Orthodox" Ukraine either

    Point1.

    1.Again we keep accurate measure, so who knows the true abortion rate for the others.
    2.Higher pill use and history of the pill use in the west compared to Russia
    3.Perfectly balanced out (and more) by American whores having much higher teenage pregnancy rates!!!
    4.Data is also skewed by more Russians living in cities compared to other white countries ( I am specific on cities here, not a full "urban" metric which would classify the suburbs the same as the city). Higher city population=higher abortion rates in any white city.
    5. Abortion Rate has descended significantly down , precisely because we are richer and more religious country- and anyway that needs to be looked at simultaneously with our birth rates , which are similar and actually better than most European countries.........and of course massively ahead of Ukraine's disastrously low rates and ahead of the Polish faggot fake Catholics.
    6. It's a fact that the Russian state policy is more anti-abortion then western states who are pro-abortion as part of some sick feminist cult. Russian state policy is through inducement not to abort instead of forced legislation banning it. Russian state doctors probably the same as western state doctors - many for or neutral to abortion, particularly if there is a hint( not definite) that kid could be born with problems.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Russia is by far Europe’s largest country you dumb bag of shit spambot – so points 3-6 are the most idiotic possible . It would be like talking about Switzerland having the highest numbers of defective Rolex’s.

    So large countries must have the largest number of Muslims, atheists, HIV patients and Buddhists?

    Does that make sense to you? Once a country gets large enough it explodes with atheists and HIV patients?

    Are you talking area mass or population? Maybe do some reading before calling me names. You’re just embarrassing yourself.

    Russia’s alcoholism rate is nowhere near the top, and our rates are repeatedly going down – even though much of our climate is conducive to higher alcohol rates.

    Actually the newest stats have been released and Hungary is now #1 with Russia at #2.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country

    I will make a note of that when debunking the frozen tradcon wonderland delusion that you and others desperately try to cling to despite evidence that says otherwise. Russia is still #2 at alcoholism and Belarus is no longer #1. Congrats to Belarus.

    Point 7 is of course idiotic nonsense, based on Ukrainian” statistics” which is of course an oxymoron. Russia is a more spiritual and Orthodox country than Banderastan.

    Wrong again. Ukraine has a higher percentage of Christians than Russia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

    Why would that be a surprise given the number of Buddhists, Muslims and atheists in Russia?

    Your response is a big emotional mess. You’re clearly attached to Putin and are uninterested in facing basic demographic facts about Russia. It’s pathetic. Just stop.

    [MORE]

    Again we keep accurate measure, so who knows the true abortion rate for the others.

    You are saying we should trust Russian data given how low they are on global corruption indexes? Was Russia telling the truth about their military size and especially infantry?

    Russia has the world’s highest abortion rate and it is fully subsidized under Putin’s government. When you have that many atheists the life of an unborn child becomes commonly meaningless.

    Russia’s cities are dens of atheism where 21 year old women party and shrug over getting an abortion. That is the reality that Putin’s fans don’t like facing. The Western degeneracy they despise is actually worse in some Russian cities. Moscow has far more of an abortion culture than Prague or Warsaw. They also have a rather crass prostitution district that is not helping with their HIV epidemic. I can back that all day with stats so try to defend your dwarf here along other lines.

    You’re really not a good dwarf defender. Beckow and Mikhail are much better at it. They don’t bother trying to defend Russia’s abortion or HIV rates. Take some lessons from them.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    So large countries must have the largest number of Muslims, atheists, HIV patients and Buddhists?
     
    If they have twice the population of most of these countries, then of course yes you retard. And if a sizeable proportion of them are Volga Tatars and Bashkirs.

    Actually the newest stats have been released and Hungary is now #1 with Russia at #2.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country
     
    Other stats say completely different you idiot - this one is obviously BS.
  56. @A123
    @John Johnson



    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?
     
    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.
     
    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @John Johnson

    Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    [MORE]

  57. @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    Gizel isn't the myth maker unlike those disagreeing with him. Zelensky is on record for earlier saying the same.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Gizel isn’t the myth maker unlike those disagreeing with him. Zelensky is on record for earlier saying the same.

    Rather, Zelensky had said the same, but obviously not before Gizel and others.

  58. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ... the theory that “Ukrainians” - well this was the Zaporizhian Cossacks , which have zero connection to most of the land and people of Ukraine - were not Russians
     
    We should leave it up to the people to decide who they are. Many can be both. The Galician (Western) Ukies have their own identity - language, history, folklore, even a half-and-half religion (Ortho-papism). It gradually tapers of to the east and south. The cities are mostly Russian. The Cossacks were originally a mish-mash of everyone who moved to the wild fields, their strongest identity was Orthodoxy.

    I wonder how this is going to play out. Russia will almost certainly win, but what to do with the residual Ukie hostility? Russia has traditionally preferred to put a lid on hard issues - they are not very industrious like the Westies. There will be a rump-Ukieland somewhere in the centre-west and it will be one unhappy bunch. The south-east will be partially depopulated but rich in resources - most of the good stuff in Ukraine is there. Millions of Ukies in Europe and Russia will quickly assimilate...

    To summarize the Ukie independence: they went from a 50-million, France-sized, rich country with great education and geography to a middling, isolated half-size battlefield. In return they got material for future teary myths, weapons, visas, speeches, and Zelko travelled a lot - who can forget the standing ovation in the Canadian Parliament? That was the apogee - an elderly Nazi saluted by the Westies (finally, they could show it) and the Ukie-Jew grinning and pretending that he "knows nothing"...What a show! If Hollywood had any brains it is quite a story...But they prefer happy-endings.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    We should leave it up to the people to decide who they are

    That’s the problem – Ukrainianism is a Austrian and Polish created ideology. Too much of non-Galician culture, the Galician wackos try to claim as their own, even though it is from the Russian side.
    Literally WTF is the Uniate Church? Its a non-religious, anti-Russia created freakshow. A bizarre creation.
    Except for Yushchenko, EVERY Ukrop “election” has been a deceit of ukrops thinking they were voting for the most pro-Russian, least anti-Russian candidate – with each of these dirtbags turning this sentiment into anti-Russian policies

    This perfectly illustrates itself in the modern day. If you want to disassociate from economic trade with Russia……then don’t be a prostitute of the west and force Russia to direct gas through Soviet-era pipeline and beg to stop Nord Stream 2.

    Promote language policy similar to that of Canada or Switzerland

    Don’t have a military lead by a Russian whose parents and brother have disowned this freak

    Many other things..but history and current practise proves that the biggest fear of Ukronazi cowards is that there is a “fair fight” between pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian ideologies – because as with the language issue it will be too much massive pro-Russian victory.

    I posted on the previous thread the hugely embarrassing statistic for Ukronazis……that in 1934 Lvov census of over 1.5 million people – it struggles to get past 50/50 of those calling themselves Ukrainians compared to those calling themselves Russian. Absolutely incredible! Thats with centuries of Polish and then about 60 years of non-stop Austrian project and money trying to convince them they are not Russian.

    And that’s with mass propaganda, mass expulsions and emigration of russophiles, mass murder of Russians in WW1 concentration camps etc – and the best they can achieve in khokhol identification is 50/50!!!

    For sure, a different time now – but I don’t think the core issues change, even with war. People who fought together on Russian side against Chechens are now fighting against each other in Ukraine, Chechens on opposing sides in the 1990’s and later …..fighting again on opposite sides in 404. Reintegration with ukrops with their mass slave-psychosis, should be easier than expected – particularly if the west does to 404 what USSR did with Cuba after missile crisis.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    That’s the problem – Ukrainianism is a Austrian and Polish created ideology.
     
    And unionism of Russia and Ukraine was a German-created one, apparently.

    EVERY Ukrop “election” has been a deceit of ukrops thinking they were voting for the most pro-Russian, least anti-Russian candidate
     
    The pro-Russian candidate Yuriy Boyko got 12% of the vote in the last presidential election. Another pro-Russian candidate Vilkul got 4%. They didn't make it to the second round, which ended up being between two pro-Western, pro-NATO candidates: more extreme Poroshenko and more moderate Zelensky.

    These were the results:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2019_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8_%28%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%29.svg/1024px-%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2019_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8_%28%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%29.svg.png

    I posted on the previous thread the hugely embarrassing statistic for Ukronazis……that in 1934 Lvov census of over 1.5 million people – it struggles to get past 50/50 of those calling themselves Ukrainians compared to those calling themselves Russian
     
    The census was 1931, not 1934.

    You deliberately mistranslate Ruthenian/Rusyn as Russian.

    The Polish census had both Rusyn and Russian as separate categories. Rusyn was the old word that western Ukrainians used of themselves (some of them still call themselves Rusyns). It is not the same as Russian. Don't lie.

    The Polish census listed people by language and religion. The Polish census documents are in both Polish and French. Ukrainians were Greek Catholics.

    On the Polish census:

    Ruski in Polish was translated as le ruthene (Ruthenian)

    Rosyjske in Polish was translated as le russe (Russian)

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian (an additional 200 Russians in the province were Orthodox Christians)

    Here is the census document, it is very clear:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    The Polish government sought to officially minimize the number of Ukrainians, so if someone did not insist that they were Ukrainian-speakers they were simply listed as "Ruthenian." There were also people, mostly in the western part of the province, that really did in principal consider themselves to be members of the Rusyn nation. Thus the Ruthenian speakers on the census belonged to either of these two categories.

    Actual Russians were listed as - Russian.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

  59. @Beckow
    @AP


    Orthodoxy itself in Russia is mostly for show
     
    That can be equally said about Vatican and the Anglo-Lgbtq churches, external displays of religion are mostly for show. Don't you know that?

    You specialize in discovering "bad stuff about the enemy" that turns out to be the same stuff you have at home. There is a bible parable describing it.

    Still better that the unhinged Nietsche (or Hitler) worshipper Johnson who is now picking a fight with the Buddhists. He will soon march with "Independence for Buriatia!" and "Free Buriats from the Half-Asiatic Russians!"...

    Too bad you guys are losing so badly, this Anglo-idiocy has become quite amusing...

    Replies: @AP

    That can be equally said about Vatican and the Anglo-Lgbtq churches, external displays of religion are mostly for show

    This is often the case in the West, but it is even worse in Russia, it is much more so.

    Too bad you guys are losing so badly

    Because Russia has lost thousands of troops to take a few streets in Avdiivka? By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success because a few villages were liberated. With fewer losses than Russians have had at Avdiivka.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    With fewer losses than Russians have had at Avdiivka.
     
    In the days of the USSR the KGB had a whole division tasked with deceiving the enemy. Today the enemies are obliging enough to deceive themselves. The grapes are sour, aren’t they?

    BTW, if you can find a former resident of Avdeevka who would voluntarily call it “Avdiivka”, you deserve a big cash prize (libtards/neocons would owe you big).

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ... it is even worse in Russia
     
    Is it? How would you know, do you see into people's souls who is devoted and who is only going through the motions?

    You search the world obsessively to argue that they are even worse (mostly Russia for some reason). It is a mental condition common among the Westies...the way to cope with the sh..t at home.


    By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success
     
    You are really reaching - it was a costly failure, even the Nato leaders say it openly.

    I don't know the casualties, it's a war and everyone hides it. But I don't believe the breathless Ukie claims we killed million Russkies today! parroted in the West. One way to estimate the casualties are POWs: Russia holds ten times more Ukie POWs than vice versa.

    Suffice to say that Kiev has lost too many men - is it 100k, 250k killed and seriously wounded, or more? To look at the enemy and giggle that "they lost more!" (probably untrue) is both mentally deranged and irrelevant. If (when) Russia wins the war it won't matter. In countries of 150 million and maybe 25-30 million even losses in hundreds of thousands are not decisive.

    Focus on what matters: Kiev can go down fighting or make a (very bad) deal. Those are the choices their stupidity and sell-out mentality have led them to...

    Replies: @AP

  60. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Russia is by far Europe’s largest country you dumb bag of shit spambot – so points 3-6 are the most idiotic possible . It would be like talking about Switzerland having the highest numbers of defective Rolex’s.

    So large countries must have the largest number of Muslims, atheists, HIV patients and Buddhists?

    Does that make sense to you? Once a country gets large enough it explodes with atheists and HIV patients?

    Are you talking area mass or population? Maybe do some reading before calling me names. You're just embarrassing yourself.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rfnw6sOj8ao/maxresdefault.jpg

    Russia’s alcoholism rate is nowhere near the top, and our rates are repeatedly going down – even though much of our climate is conducive to higher alcohol rates.

    Actually the newest stats have been released and Hungary is now #1 with Russia at #2.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country

    I will make a note of that when debunking the frozen tradcon wonderland delusion that you and others desperately try to cling to despite evidence that says otherwise. Russia is still #2 at alcoholism and Belarus is no longer #1. Congrats to Belarus.

    Point 7 is of course idiotic nonsense, based on Ukrainian” statistics” which is of course an oxymoron. Russia is a more spiritual and Orthodox country than Banderastan.

    Wrong again. Ukraine has a higher percentage of Christians than Russia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

    Why would that be a surprise given the number of Buddhists, Muslims and atheists in Russia?

    Your response is a big emotional mess. You're clearly attached to Putin and are uninterested in facing basic demographic facts about Russia. It's pathetic. Just stop.

    Again we keep accurate measure, so who knows the true abortion rate for the others.

    You are saying we should trust Russian data given how low they are on global corruption indexes? Was Russia telling the truth about their military size and especially infantry?

    Russia has the world's highest abortion rate and it is fully subsidized under Putin's government. When you have that many atheists the life of an unborn child becomes commonly meaningless.

    Russia's cities are dens of atheism where 21 year old women party and shrug over getting an abortion. That is the reality that Putin's fans don't like facing. The Western degeneracy they despise is actually worse in some Russian cities. Moscow has far more of an abortion culture than Prague or Warsaw. They also have a rather crass prostitution district that is not helping with their HIV epidemic. I can back that all day with stats so try to defend your dwarf here along other lines.

    You're really not a good dwarf defender. Beckow and Mikhail are much better at it. They don't bother trying to defend Russia's abortion or HIV rates. Take some lessons from them.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    So large countries must have the largest number of Muslims, atheists, HIV patients and Buddhists?

    If they have twice the population of most of these countries, then of course yes you retard. And if a sizeable proportion of them are Volga Tatars and Bashkirs.

    Actually the newest stats have been released and Hungary is now #1 with Russia at #2.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country

    Other stats say completely different you idiot – this one is obviously BS.

  61. @AP
    @Beckow


    That can be equally said about Vatican and the Anglo-Lgbtq churches, external displays of religion are mostly for show
     
    This is often the case in the West, but it is even worse in Russia, it is much more so.

    Too bad you guys are losing so badly
     
    Because Russia has lost thousands of troops to take a few streets in Avdiivka? By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success because a few villages were liberated. With fewer losses than Russians have had at Avdiivka.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    With fewer losses than Russians have had at Avdiivka.

    In the days of the USSR the KGB had a whole division tasked with deceiving the enemy. Today the enemies are obliging enough to deceive themselves. The grapes are sour, aren’t they?

    BTW, if you can find a former resident of Avdeevka who would voluntarily call it “Avdiivka”, you deserve a big cash prize (libtards/neocons would owe you big).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...Today the enemies are obliging enough to deceive themselves. The grapes are sour, aren’t they?
     
    They go way overboard and it looks almost comical...as if the pain of seeing reality was too much. They are conditioned by their pharma, TV, happy-talk schools to only experience good things. So the self-deception has been industrialized...

    But I think we forget that the Westies - esp. the American kind - are raised with few skills other than marketing. For them it is not even "lying", it is the way you reach your goals...the goal is to win. If not, then at least not to look like a loser. I wonder if Russia will oblige them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  62. @AP
    @Beckow


    That can be equally said about Vatican and the Anglo-Lgbtq churches, external displays of religion are mostly for show
     
    This is often the case in the West, but it is even worse in Russia, it is much more so.

    Too bad you guys are losing so badly
     
    Because Russia has lost thousands of troops to take a few streets in Avdiivka? By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success because a few villages were liberated. With fewer losses than Russians have had at Avdiivka.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    … it is even worse in Russia

    Is it? How would you know, do you see into people’s souls who is devoted and who is only going through the motions?

    You search the world obsessively to argue that they are even worse (mostly Russia for some reason). It is a mental condition common among the Westies…the way to cope with the sh..t at home.

    By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success

    You are really reaching – it was a costly failure, even the Nato leaders say it openly.

    I don’t know the casualties, it’s a war and everyone hides it. But I don’t believe the breathless Ukie claims we killed million Russkies today! parroted in the West. One way to estimate the casualties are POWs: Russia holds ten times more Ukie POWs than vice versa.

    Suffice to say that Kiev has lost too many men – is it 100k, 250k killed and seriously wounded, or more? To look at the enemy and giggle that “they lost more!” (probably untrue) is both mentally deranged and irrelevant. If (when) Russia wins the war it won’t matter. In countries of 150 million and maybe 25-30 million even losses in hundreds of thousands are not decisive.

    Focus on what matters: Kiev can go down fighting or make a (very bad) deal. Those are the choices their stupidity and sell-out mentality have led them to…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    How would you know, do you see into people’s souls who is devoted and who is only going through the motions?
     
    I think abortion rates, divorce rates, church attendance rates, HIV rates are good secondary evidence of how religious a people are. On all these measures, Russians do worse than Americans. Indeed, they do worse than western Europeans, too, but Western Europeans don't pretend to be Christians as Russians sometimes do.

    By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success

    You are really reaching – it was a costly failure
     
    I was using your own standard. Ukraine gained a few (12?) villages during the summer offensive, Russia has captured even less during its winter offensive. If the first was a "costly failure" the second must be even worse, given the greater number of losses and fewer gains. Why the double standard?

    One way to estimate the casualties are POWs: Russia holds ten times more Ukie POWs than vice versa.
     
    According to whom?

    Another way is to estimate tank and vehicle losses. Russia has lost more, and a lot around Avdiivka.

    To look at the enemy and giggle that “they lost more!” (probably untrue) is both mentally deranged
     
    Projection. You are the one talking about fun and let's watch etc. I don't view this as anything other than a tragedy created by Putin for the purpose of preventing the Ukrainian people from running their own country in a way that he doesn't like.

    Kiev can go down fighting or make a (very bad) deal. Those are the choices
     
    So you claim. The claims of a guy who insisted that Ukraine would lose quickly because the Ukrainians would all surrender or flee.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

  63. @A123
    @John Johnson



    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?
     
    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.
     
    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @John Johnson

    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.

    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    Let the record show that you refuse to answer the question about House MAGA Republicans and their desire to write Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.

    A pattern consistent not only with MAGA defenders but also “blame the Jew” bloggers that talk about Jewish influence in US politics but completely sidestep the MAGA wing of the House that is more concerned with writing Israel a check than fixing the border. Our MAGA House Republicans want to give financial aid to Israel even though they have a massive military advantage over a bunch of Arabs in tank tops with RPGs that don’t even work against trophy armor (note that Scott Ritter was completely wrong about Hamas tactical efficacy). These House Republicans describe themselves as “America First” by not supporting Ukraine who could actually use our help.

    So you instead childishly respond to a direct question with a question of your own as you are trying to dance around the rhino in the room. Do you feel good as a man to engage in such childish reality avoidance? If you can formulate a clear question then I will try to answer it. We both know you are the one on the side of reality denial. In fact most of your postings related to MAGA are an endorsement that Trump’s fans have gone off the deep end and seem to exist in a state of confusion. They are not only in denial of his pending felonies but seem to think it is just fine to write Israel a check for $14 billion while calling themselves ‘Merica First.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.
     
    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?
     
    Why do you refuse to answer the question? Let the record show that JJ/KK supports Hamas use of human shields.

    Let the record show that you refuse to answer the question about House MAGA Republicans and their desire to write Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.
     
    Why should I answer your questions when you refuse to answer mine? Let the record show JJ/KK is a hypocrite.

    Provide a serious answer to my question, and I will answer yours. Let the record show, the ball is in your court.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  64. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    With fewer losses than Russians have had at Avdiivka.
     
    In the days of the USSR the KGB had a whole division tasked with deceiving the enemy. Today the enemies are obliging enough to deceive themselves. The grapes are sour, aren’t they?

    BTW, if you can find a former resident of Avdeevka who would voluntarily call it “Avdiivka”, you deserve a big cash prize (libtards/neocons would owe you big).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Today the enemies are obliging enough to deceive themselves. The grapes are sour, aren’t they?

    They go way overboard and it looks almost comical…as if the pain of seeing reality was too much. They are conditioned by their pharma, TV, happy-talk schools to only experience good things. So the self-deception has been industrialized…

    But I think we forget that the Westies – esp. the American kind – are raised with few skills other than marketing. For them it is not even “lying”, it is the way you reach your goals…the goal is to win. If not, then at least not to look like a loser. I wonder if Russia will oblige them.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    the goal is to win. If not, then at least not to look like a loser. I wonder if Russia will oblige them.
     
    I wonder, too. So far Putin usually allowed those who lost to him to “save face” (always assuming they do have a part of the body one can call face). But lately he sounds a lot more antagonistic to the enemies of Russia. When Ukies killed their own POWs by shooting down the plane they were transported in for the exchange (Ukies knew who was in that airplane, they were told beforehand when and where their POWs will be flown), he sounded very angry.

    A sign of this change of attitude is that apparently Russian diplomats got the permission to call a spade a spade. Now Lavrov, Nebenzya, and others sound a lot less diplomatic. We’ll see soon enough.
  65. @Gerard1234
    @Beckow


    We should leave it up to the people to decide who they are
     
    That's the problem - Ukrainianism is a Austrian and Polish created ideology. Too much of non-Galician culture, the Galician wackos try to claim as their own, even though it is from the Russian side.
    Literally WTF is the Uniate Church? Its a non-religious, anti-Russia created freakshow. A bizarre creation.
    Except for Yushchenko, EVERY Ukrop "election" has been a deceit of ukrops thinking they were voting for the most pro-Russian, least anti-Russian candidate - with each of these dirtbags turning this sentiment into anti-Russian policies

    This perfectly illustrates itself in the modern day. If you want to disassociate from economic trade with Russia......then don't be a prostitute of the west and force Russia to direct gas through Soviet-era pipeline and beg to stop Nord Stream 2.

    Promote language policy similar to that of Canada or Switzerland

    Don't have a military lead by a Russian whose parents and brother have disowned this freak

    Many other things..but history and current practise proves that the biggest fear of Ukronazi cowards is that there is a "fair fight" between pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian ideologies - because as with the language issue it will be too much massive pro-Russian victory.

    I posted on the previous thread the hugely embarrassing statistic for Ukronazis......that in 1934 Lvov census of over 1.5 million people - it struggles to get past 50/50 of those calling themselves Ukrainians compared to those calling themselves Russian. Absolutely incredible! Thats with centuries of Polish and then about 60 years of non-stop Austrian project and money trying to convince them they are not Russian.

    And that's with mass propaganda, mass expulsions and emigration of russophiles, mass murder of Russians in WW1 concentration camps etc - and the best they can achieve in khokhol identification is 50/50!!!

    For sure, a different time now - but I don't think the core issues change, even with war. People who fought together on Russian side against Chechens are now fighting against each other in Ukraine, Chechens on opposing sides in the 1990's and later .....fighting again on opposite sides in 404. Reintegration with ukrops with their mass slave-psychosis, should be easier than expected - particularly if the west does to 404 what USSR did with Cuba after missile crisis.

    Replies: @AP

    That’s the problem – Ukrainianism is a Austrian and Polish created ideology.

    And unionism of Russia and Ukraine was a German-created one, apparently.

    EVERY Ukrop “election” has been a deceit of ukrops thinking they were voting for the most pro-Russian, least anti-Russian candidate

    The pro-Russian candidate Yuriy Boyko got 12% of the vote in the last presidential election. Another pro-Russian candidate Vilkul got 4%. They didn’t make it to the second round, which ended up being between two pro-Western, pro-NATO candidates: more extreme Poroshenko and more moderate Zelensky.

    These were the results:

    I posted on the previous thread the hugely embarrassing statistic for Ukronazis……that in 1934 Lvov census of over 1.5 million people – it struggles to get past 50/50 of those calling themselves Ukrainians compared to those calling themselves Russian

    The census was 1931, not 1934.

    You deliberately mistranslate Ruthenian/Rusyn as Russian.

    The Polish census had both Rusyn and Russian as separate categories. Rusyn was the old word that western Ukrainians used of themselves (some of them still call themselves Rusyns). It is not the same as Russian. Don’t lie.

    The Polish census listed people by language and religion. The Polish census documents are in both Polish and French. Ukrainians were Greek Catholics.

    On the Polish census:

    Ruski in Polish was translated as le ruthene (Ruthenian)

    Rosyjske in Polish was translated as le russe (Russian)

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian (an additional 200 Russians in the province were Orthodox Christians)

    Here is the census document, it is very clear:

    The Polish government sought to officially minimize the number of Ukrainians, so if someone did not insist that they were Ukrainian-speakers they were simply listed as “Ruthenian.” There were also people, mostly in the western part of the province, that really did in principal consider themselves to be members of the Rusyn nation. Thus the Ruthenian speakers on the census belonged to either of these two categories.

    Actual Russians were listed as – Russian.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @AP
    @AP


    The Polish government sought to officially minimize the number of Ukrainians, so if someone did not insist that they were Ukrainian-speakers they were simply listed as “Ruthenian.” There were also people, mostly in the western part of the province, that really did in principal consider themselves to be members of the Rusyn nation. Thus the Ruthenian speakers on the census belonged to either of these two categories.
     
    Just a clarification. The Lwow province of interwar Poland was not the same as the Lviv oblast of Ukraine. It extended far to the West. The current border is that red line:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Lwowskie.png

    The green areas have an East Slavic/Ukrainian/Ruthenian majority, the orange have a Polish majority.

    Many of the Eastern Slavs living west of that line considered themselves to be Lemkos/Rusyns, not Ukrainians (there are people like that in Slovakia, also).

    Most of my ancestral lines originate in what is now Poland, west of the red line though they moved to Lviv in the late 19th century.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Based on the map above, it looks like the areas that voted for Kravchuk in 1991 voted for Zelensky in 2019 while the areas that voted for Chornovil voted for either Poroshenko or Tymoshenko in 2019. The latter areas are the hardcore Ukrainian nationalist areas while the former areas are the Ukrainian normie areas.

  66. @Beckow
    @AP


    ... it is even worse in Russia
     
    Is it? How would you know, do you see into people's souls who is devoted and who is only going through the motions?

    You search the world obsessively to argue that they are even worse (mostly Russia for some reason). It is a mental condition common among the Westies...the way to cope with the sh..t at home.


    By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success
     
    You are really reaching - it was a costly failure, even the Nato leaders say it openly.

    I don't know the casualties, it's a war and everyone hides it. But I don't believe the breathless Ukie claims we killed million Russkies today! parroted in the West. One way to estimate the casualties are POWs: Russia holds ten times more Ukie POWs than vice versa.

    Suffice to say that Kiev has lost too many men - is it 100k, 250k killed and seriously wounded, or more? To look at the enemy and giggle that "they lost more!" (probably untrue) is both mentally deranged and irrelevant. If (when) Russia wins the war it won't matter. In countries of 150 million and maybe 25-30 million even losses in hundreds of thousands are not decisive.

    Focus on what matters: Kiev can go down fighting or make a (very bad) deal. Those are the choices their stupidity and sell-out mentality have led them to...

    Replies: @AP

    How would you know, do you see into people’s souls who is devoted and who is only going through the motions?

    I think abortion rates, divorce rates, church attendance rates, HIV rates are good secondary evidence of how religious a people are. On all these measures, Russians do worse than Americans. Indeed, they do worse than western Europeans, too, but Western Europeans don’t pretend to be Christians as Russians sometimes do.

    By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success

    You are really reaching – it was a costly failure

    I was using your own standard. Ukraine gained a few (12?) villages during the summer offensive, Russia has captured even less during its winter offensive. If the first was a “costly failure” the second must be even worse, given the greater number of losses and fewer gains. Why the double standard?

    One way to estimate the casualties are POWs: Russia holds ten times more Ukie POWs than vice versa.

    According to whom?

    Another way is to estimate tank and vehicle losses. Russia has lost more, and a lot around Avdiivka.

    To look at the enemy and giggle that “they lost more!” (probably untrue) is both mentally deranged

    Projection. You are the one talking about fun and let’s watch etc. I don’t view this as anything other than a tragedy created by Putin for the purpose of preventing the Ukrainian people from running their own country in a way that he doesn’t like.

    Kiev can go down fighting or make a (very bad) deal. Those are the choices

    So you claim. The claims of a guy who insisted that Ukraine would lose quickly because the Ukrainians would all surrender or flee.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    The POW exchange are negotiated through Dubai and they said so - google it. The exchanges are 1-for-1 so a lot more Ukie POWs are held in Russia. Some of it was the initial surrenders, Russians and Donbas militias took a large number of prisoners in the first few weeks. Then the surrenders slow down - either the morale stiffened (your view) or the penal Kiev enforcers are too scary. Probably both.


    anything other than a tragedy created by Putin for the purpose of preventing the Ukrainian people from running their own country in a way that he doesn’t like.
     
    Yes, I agree it is a tragedy...but the Zelko guy is just naturally so funny, I mean you couldn't invent a character like that: he went from playing a piano with his d..ck for large sums to urging thousands of Ukie men to die for even larger sums. The guy is really something...

    The "running it the way they want..." is both undefinable and meaningless. Can Quebec expel the English-speakers and join Russia in a military alliance against US? Or Ireland with UK? You know it is nonsense, it has never worked that way. Plus a large portion - maybe even a majority - of Ukies didn't care for that, didn't want Nato, didn't want to ban the Russian language. But you need your slogans - it makes the suffering seem more meaningful.

    Ukraine would lose quickly
     
    Two to three year is quite quick. A too fast a victory would fail to teach a lesson. In any case, by any standard it would had been better if Kiev took the Istanbul deal or any deal - the result will be the same, or worse, the destruction and dead are irreversible.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    But of course Moscow is a Jewish city populated by Muslims…the whites there are all aborting and shooting up heroin.

  67. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...Today the enemies are obliging enough to deceive themselves. The grapes are sour, aren’t they?
     
    They go way overboard and it looks almost comical...as if the pain of seeing reality was too much. They are conditioned by their pharma, TV, happy-talk schools to only experience good things. So the self-deception has been industrialized...

    But I think we forget that the Westies - esp. the American kind - are raised with few skills other than marketing. For them it is not even "lying", it is the way you reach your goals...the goal is to win. If not, then at least not to look like a loser. I wonder if Russia will oblige them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    the goal is to win. If not, then at least not to look like a loser. I wonder if Russia will oblige them.

    I wonder, too. So far Putin usually allowed those who lost to him to “save face” (always assuming they do have a part of the body one can call face). But lately he sounds a lot more antagonistic to the enemies of Russia. When Ukies killed their own POWs by shooting down the plane they were transported in for the exchange (Ukies knew who was in that airplane, they were told beforehand when and where their POWs will be flown), he sounded very angry.

    A sign of this change of attitude is that apparently Russian diplomats got the permission to call a spade a spade. Now Lavrov, Nebenzya, and others sound a lot less diplomatic. We’ll see soon enough.

  68. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    That’s the problem – Ukrainianism is a Austrian and Polish created ideology.
     
    And unionism of Russia and Ukraine was a German-created one, apparently.

    EVERY Ukrop “election” has been a deceit of ukrops thinking they were voting for the most pro-Russian, least anti-Russian candidate
     
    The pro-Russian candidate Yuriy Boyko got 12% of the vote in the last presidential election. Another pro-Russian candidate Vilkul got 4%. They didn't make it to the second round, which ended up being between two pro-Western, pro-NATO candidates: more extreme Poroshenko and more moderate Zelensky.

    These were the results:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2019_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8_%28%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%29.svg/1024px-%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2019_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8_%28%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%29.svg.png

    I posted on the previous thread the hugely embarrassing statistic for Ukronazis……that in 1934 Lvov census of over 1.5 million people – it struggles to get past 50/50 of those calling themselves Ukrainians compared to those calling themselves Russian
     
    The census was 1931, not 1934.

    You deliberately mistranslate Ruthenian/Rusyn as Russian.

    The Polish census had both Rusyn and Russian as separate categories. Rusyn was the old word that western Ukrainians used of themselves (some of them still call themselves Rusyns). It is not the same as Russian. Don't lie.

    The Polish census listed people by language and religion. The Polish census documents are in both Polish and French. Ukrainians were Greek Catholics.

    On the Polish census:

    Ruski in Polish was translated as le ruthene (Ruthenian)

    Rosyjske in Polish was translated as le russe (Russian)

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian (an additional 200 Russians in the province were Orthodox Christians)

    Here is the census document, it is very clear:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    The Polish government sought to officially minimize the number of Ukrainians, so if someone did not insist that they were Ukrainian-speakers they were simply listed as "Ruthenian." There were also people, mostly in the western part of the province, that really did in principal consider themselves to be members of the Rusyn nation. Thus the Ruthenian speakers on the census belonged to either of these two categories.

    Actual Russians were listed as - Russian.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    The Polish government sought to officially minimize the number of Ukrainians, so if someone did not insist that they were Ukrainian-speakers they were simply listed as “Ruthenian.” There were also people, mostly in the western part of the province, that really did in principal consider themselves to be members of the Rusyn nation. Thus the Ruthenian speakers on the census belonged to either of these two categories.

    Just a clarification. The Lwow province of interwar Poland was not the same as the Lviv oblast of Ukraine. It extended far to the West. The current border is that red line:

    The green areas have an East Slavic/Ukrainian/Ruthenian majority, the orange have a Polish majority.

    Many of the Eastern Slavs living west of that line considered themselves to be Lemkos/Rusyns, not Ukrainians (there are people like that in Slovakia, also).

    [MORE]

    Most of my ancestral lines originate in what is now Poland, west of the red line though they moved to Lviv in the late 19th century.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
  69. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    I haven't given my opinion on human shields. I don't support the use of human shields but that has nothing to do with anything I said in post #16.

    Is it really that hard for you to respond to my actual statements instead of using your imagination?

    I asked why we should send Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.

    Israel is a middle income country with a budget surplus. Why is the "America First" wing of Congress so adamant on sending them money? Why do they need it?

    Both you and the other MAGA supporters at Unz have not answered this question.

    The MAGA movement is rotten to the core. It's a bunch of confused Evangelicals that believe the world will soon end and can only agree on sending Israel a check for 14 billion and voting for a felon who bragged about cheating on his wife.

    Evangelicals have lost it. They went extra batty after COVID and haven't returned to semi-crazy.

    A bizarre movement where writing Israel a check is more important than locking down the border where it seems we have every country represented. A record number of Chinese went through the southern border:
    https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-migration-us-skyrocketed-homeland-security-1831796

    Replies: @A123, @Derer

    JoJo…this is one of your better posts.

  70. @AP
    @Beckow


    How would you know, do you see into people’s souls who is devoted and who is only going through the motions?
     
    I think abortion rates, divorce rates, church attendance rates, HIV rates are good secondary evidence of how religious a people are. On all these measures, Russians do worse than Americans. Indeed, they do worse than western Europeans, too, but Western Europeans don't pretend to be Christians as Russians sometimes do.

    By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success

    You are really reaching – it was a costly failure
     
    I was using your own standard. Ukraine gained a few (12?) villages during the summer offensive, Russia has captured even less during its winter offensive. If the first was a "costly failure" the second must be even worse, given the greater number of losses and fewer gains. Why the double standard?

    One way to estimate the casualties are POWs: Russia holds ten times more Ukie POWs than vice versa.
     
    According to whom?

    Another way is to estimate tank and vehicle losses. Russia has lost more, and a lot around Avdiivka.

    To look at the enemy and giggle that “they lost more!” (probably untrue) is both mentally deranged
     
    Projection. You are the one talking about fun and let's watch etc. I don't view this as anything other than a tragedy created by Putin for the purpose of preventing the Ukrainian people from running their own country in a way that he doesn't like.

    Kiev can go down fighting or make a (very bad) deal. Those are the choices
     
    So you claim. The claims of a guy who insisted that Ukraine would lose quickly because the Ukrainians would all surrender or flee.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    The POW exchange are negotiated through Dubai and they said so – google it. The exchanges are 1-for-1 so a lot more Ukie POWs are held in Russia. Some of it was the initial surrenders, Russians and Donbas militias took a large number of prisoners in the first few weeks. Then the surrenders slow down – either the morale stiffened (your view) or the penal Kiev enforcers are too scary. Probably both.

    anything other than a tragedy created by Putin for the purpose of preventing the Ukrainian people from running their own country in a way that he doesn’t like.

    Yes, I agree it is a tragedy…but the Zelko guy is just naturally so funny, I mean you couldn’t invent a character like that: he went from playing a piano with his d..ck for large sums to urging thousands of Ukie men to die for even larger sums. The guy is really something…

    The “running it the way they want…” is both undefinable and meaningless. Can Quebec expel the English-speakers and join Russia in a military alliance against US? Or Ireland with UK? You know it is nonsense, it has never worked that way. Plus a large portion – maybe even a majority – of Ukies didn’t care for that, didn’t want Nato, didn’t want to ban the Russian language. But you need your slogans – it makes the suffering seem more meaningful.

    Ukraine would lose quickly

    Two to three year is quite quick. A too fast a victory would fail to teach a lesson. In any case, by any standard it would had been better if Kiev took the Istanbul deal or any deal – the result will be the same, or worse, the destruction and dead are irreversible.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    but the Zelko guy is just naturally so funny, I mean you couldn’t invent a character like that:
     
    He is not alone by far. Most Western “leaders” to outside observes look and sound like an angry parody, including Alzheimer-in-Chief.

    I don’t think that tens of thousands Ukies killed and maimed at the front lines are finding the unfolding events even remotely funny.
    , @AP
    @Beckow


    The POW exchange are negotiated through Dubai and they said so – google it. The exchanges are 1-for-1 so a lot more Ukie POWs are held in Russia.
     
    Why does a 1-for-1 exchange mean that Russia has more Ukrainian POWs than vice versa?

    Google got this result:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-stalls-war-prisoners-exchange-heat-political-tensions-ukraine-kyiv-says/

    "As of today, Russia holds more than 3,000 Ukrainian soldiers and some 28,000 civilians, the Ukrainian ombudsman’s office and reintegration ministry said. However, the real number may be even higher."

    Do you have other numbers?

    "The Ukrainians have not said how many Russians they hold, but they have so many that they're building a second POW camp to hold them. Russians are also being held in a special facility in western Ukraine and housed in cells in pretrial detention centers."

    The “running it the way they want…” is both undefinable and meaningless. Can Quebec expel the English-speakers and join Russia in a military alliance against US?
     
    Does it want to?

    BTW Quebec's language policies are in some ways similar to Ukraine's.

    Cuba hosted thousands of Soviet soldiers and had a Soviet military base on its soil. It just didn't have Soviet nukes.

    Plus a large portion – maybe even a majority – of Ukies didn’t care for that, didn’t want Nato, didn’t want to ban the Russian language
     
    Russia made them want NATO from 2014. And now they do.

    Only 16% of Ukrainians voted for candidates that wanted to keep Russian as a second state language. This was the choice of the Ukrainian people.

    Ukraine would lose quickly

    Two to three year is quite quick.
     
    Nonsense. In the last 100 years - USA conquering Iraq in 5 weeks was quick. Germany taking Poland in 5 weeks or France in 6 weeks were quick. Winter was quick (3.5 months). Falklands War was quick, Azeri-Armenian war was quick.

    In the last century, when has an invader won a war, when the invader failed to win quickly and the war lasted more than 2 years? Germany lost against the Soviet Union, Iraq failed to defeat Iran (that war lasted 8 years).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  71. @John Johnson
    @A123


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?

     

    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer?

    I really don't know the answer. I have asked many Trump supporters that question and most of them have ignored it. They celebrate MAGA as being an America First movement and then ignore the question of why so many House Republicans are currently Israel First.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    LOL the IDF incursion into Gaza is a defensive measure? How am I called the Jew here? That is hilarious.

    Ok so you believe this is a spiritual war and some 10 year old Palestinian that loses an eye and a leg was in league with a demonic underlord who has two penises and likes to shapeshift into a crow.

    Let's say the aforementioned is true.

    Why does Israel need $14 billion dollars if they have a budget surplus?

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced.

    You do acknowledge the following about Russia, correct?

    Russia has:
    1. World's highest abortion rate
    2. Second highest alcohlism rate
    3. Europe's largest Muslim population
    4. Europe's largest Buddhist population
    5. Europe's largest HIV population
    6. Europe's largest atheist population
    7. Lower percent of Orthodox compared to Ukraine

    Why are you certain that Putin is not on the side of satan? You believe he is a God fearing Christian man even though he lamented the breakup of the USSR? An empire whose official doctrine declared religion to be the enemy? Do explain how a Christian could miss the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    My sources are showing that your sources are completely concocted. Show me a country and I will show you everything bad about it.

  72. @Beckow
    @AP

    The POW exchange are negotiated through Dubai and they said so - google it. The exchanges are 1-for-1 so a lot more Ukie POWs are held in Russia. Some of it was the initial surrenders, Russians and Donbas militias took a large number of prisoners in the first few weeks. Then the surrenders slow down - either the morale stiffened (your view) or the penal Kiev enforcers are too scary. Probably both.


    anything other than a tragedy created by Putin for the purpose of preventing the Ukrainian people from running their own country in a way that he doesn’t like.
     
    Yes, I agree it is a tragedy...but the Zelko guy is just naturally so funny, I mean you couldn't invent a character like that: he went from playing a piano with his d..ck for large sums to urging thousands of Ukie men to die for even larger sums. The guy is really something...

    The "running it the way they want..." is both undefinable and meaningless. Can Quebec expel the English-speakers and join Russia in a military alliance against US? Or Ireland with UK? You know it is nonsense, it has never worked that way. Plus a large portion - maybe even a majority - of Ukies didn't care for that, didn't want Nato, didn't want to ban the Russian language. But you need your slogans - it makes the suffering seem more meaningful.

    Ukraine would lose quickly
     
    Two to three year is quite quick. A too fast a victory would fail to teach a lesson. In any case, by any standard it would had been better if Kiev took the Istanbul deal or any deal - the result will be the same, or worse, the destruction and dead are irreversible.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    but the Zelko guy is just naturally so funny, I mean you couldn’t invent a character like that:

    He is not alone by far. Most Western “leaders” to outside observes look and sound like an angry parody, including Alzheimer-in-Chief.

    I don’t think that tens of thousands Ukies killed and maimed at the front lines are finding the unfolding events even remotely funny.

  73. @AP
    @John Johnson


    I’m not saying it is a bad thing. I’m dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone….to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don’t like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.
     
    All correct. A minor quibble is that Russia’s abortion rate is improving a lot - it is still much higher than that of the USA but is no longer worst in the world. Russia still has Europe’s highest HIV rate (even worse than in many African countries) and very low church-going rates, comparable to Sweden’s. Most of Russia’s Orthodox don’t go to church, or just became a marker of being a Russian.

    Ironically, Ukraine is more Orthodox and much more devoutly Orthodox than Russia. And the most religious of the Orthodox in Ukraine are in the more Western parts of the country - that is, the most anti-Russian ones.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Derer

    You forgot, US is ranked 45th in infant mortality, just after Wallis and Futuna.

  74. @Beckow
    @AP

    The POW exchange are negotiated through Dubai and they said so - google it. The exchanges are 1-for-1 so a lot more Ukie POWs are held in Russia. Some of it was the initial surrenders, Russians and Donbas militias took a large number of prisoners in the first few weeks. Then the surrenders slow down - either the morale stiffened (your view) or the penal Kiev enforcers are too scary. Probably both.


    anything other than a tragedy created by Putin for the purpose of preventing the Ukrainian people from running their own country in a way that he doesn’t like.
     
    Yes, I agree it is a tragedy...but the Zelko guy is just naturally so funny, I mean you couldn't invent a character like that: he went from playing a piano with his d..ck for large sums to urging thousands of Ukie men to die for even larger sums. The guy is really something...

    The "running it the way they want..." is both undefinable and meaningless. Can Quebec expel the English-speakers and join Russia in a military alliance against US? Or Ireland with UK? You know it is nonsense, it has never worked that way. Plus a large portion - maybe even a majority - of Ukies didn't care for that, didn't want Nato, didn't want to ban the Russian language. But you need your slogans - it makes the suffering seem more meaningful.

    Ukraine would lose quickly
     
    Two to three year is quite quick. A too fast a victory would fail to teach a lesson. In any case, by any standard it would had been better if Kiev took the Istanbul deal or any deal - the result will be the same, or worse, the destruction and dead are irreversible.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    The POW exchange are negotiated through Dubai and they said so – google it. The exchanges are 1-for-1 so a lot more Ukie POWs are held in Russia.

    Why does a 1-for-1 exchange mean that Russia has more Ukrainian POWs than vice versa?

    Google got this result:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-stalls-war-prisoners-exchange-heat-political-tensions-ukraine-kyiv-says/

    “As of today, Russia holds more than 3,000 Ukrainian soldiers and some 28,000 civilians, the Ukrainian ombudsman’s office and reintegration ministry said. However, the real number may be even higher.”

    Do you have other numbers?

    “The Ukrainians have not said how many Russians they hold, but they have so many that they’re building a second POW camp to hold them. Russians are also being held in a special facility in western Ukraine and housed in cells in pretrial detention centers.”

    The “running it the way they want…” is both undefinable and meaningless. Can Quebec expel the English-speakers and join Russia in a military alliance against US?

    Does it want to?

    BTW Quebec’s language policies are in some ways similar to Ukraine’s.

    Cuba hosted thousands of Soviet soldiers and had a Soviet military base on its soil. It just didn’t have Soviet nukes.

    Plus a large portion – maybe even a majority – of Ukies didn’t care for that, didn’t want Nato, didn’t want to ban the Russian language

    Russia made them want NATO from 2014. And now they do.

    Only 16% of Ukrainians voted for candidates that wanted to keep Russian as a second state language. This was the choice of the Ukrainian people.

    Ukraine would lose quickly

    Two to three year is quite quick.

    Nonsense. In the last 100 years – USA conquering Iraq in 5 weeks was quick. Germany taking Poland in 5 weeks or France in 6 weeks were quick. Winter was quick (3.5 months). Falklands War was quick, Azeri-Armenian war was quick.

    In the last century, when has an invader won a war, when the invader failed to win quickly and the war lasted more than 2 years? Germany lost against the Soviet Union, Iraq failed to defeat Iran (that war lasted 8 years).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ..USA conquering Iraq in 5 weeks was quick. Germany taking Poland in 5 weeks or France in 6 weeks were quick.
     
    US war in Iraq lasted 5 to 10 years and they eventually lost it. In Afgan more like 20 years and they still lost. Poles and French? Well, what can one say...they are natural losers, they either rushed to surrender or lined up to be massacred :)...is that what you admire?

    Regarding POWs, Dubai said it...

    Cuba is small, Ukraine and Quebec are big...if you can't tell the difference take some remedial math. US would never allow Russian on its borders with military bases. Why should Russians or Chinese be different?

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate...he lied but most of his voters had no way of knowing that. Zelko is a natural liar, a trained actor. Porky was the pro-West-pro-Nato candidate, in a way a more sympathetic character...but they will both be cursed by the surviving Ukies for generations.

    Nato wanted Ukraine, Russia has blocked it - now for the endless lies and tears. You play the loser screaming "but I am not a loser" quite well...:) But it changes nothing.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Cuba hosted thousands of Soviet soldiers and had a Soviet military base on its soil. It just didn’t have Soviet nukes.

     

    Yep; once the US found out about the Soviet troops in Cuba in 1979 or 1980, it very, very loudly complained but didn't actually engage in any new attempts at regime change in Cuba.

    BTW, do you agree with Anatoly Karlin's analysis of Moscow?

    https://nitter.cz/nooceleration/status/1757211136150093936#m

    Moscow strikes me as the cultural capital of Eastern Europe but the nice areas of the BosWash megalopolis in the Northeastern US combined probably strike me as being more impressive. BosWash also has astronomically more elite science production relative to Moscow, whether in per capita terms or in total terms.
  75. @AP
    @Beckow


    The POW exchange are negotiated through Dubai and they said so – google it. The exchanges are 1-for-1 so a lot more Ukie POWs are held in Russia.
     
    Why does a 1-for-1 exchange mean that Russia has more Ukrainian POWs than vice versa?

    Google got this result:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-stalls-war-prisoners-exchange-heat-political-tensions-ukraine-kyiv-says/

    "As of today, Russia holds more than 3,000 Ukrainian soldiers and some 28,000 civilians, the Ukrainian ombudsman’s office and reintegration ministry said. However, the real number may be even higher."

    Do you have other numbers?

    "The Ukrainians have not said how many Russians they hold, but they have so many that they're building a second POW camp to hold them. Russians are also being held in a special facility in western Ukraine and housed in cells in pretrial detention centers."

    The “running it the way they want…” is both undefinable and meaningless. Can Quebec expel the English-speakers and join Russia in a military alliance against US?
     
    Does it want to?

    BTW Quebec's language policies are in some ways similar to Ukraine's.

    Cuba hosted thousands of Soviet soldiers and had a Soviet military base on its soil. It just didn't have Soviet nukes.

    Plus a large portion – maybe even a majority – of Ukies didn’t care for that, didn’t want Nato, didn’t want to ban the Russian language
     
    Russia made them want NATO from 2014. And now they do.

    Only 16% of Ukrainians voted for candidates that wanted to keep Russian as a second state language. This was the choice of the Ukrainian people.

    Ukraine would lose quickly

    Two to three year is quite quick.
     
    Nonsense. In the last 100 years - USA conquering Iraq in 5 weeks was quick. Germany taking Poland in 5 weeks or France in 6 weeks were quick. Winter was quick (3.5 months). Falklands War was quick, Azeri-Armenian war was quick.

    In the last century, when has an invader won a war, when the invader failed to win quickly and the war lasted more than 2 years? Germany lost against the Soviet Union, Iraq failed to defeat Iran (that war lasted 8 years).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    ..USA conquering Iraq in 5 weeks was quick. Germany taking Poland in 5 weeks or France in 6 weeks were quick.

    US war in Iraq lasted 5 to 10 years and they eventually lost it. In Afgan more like 20 years and they still lost. Poles and French? Well, what can one say…they are natural losers, they either rushed to surrender or lined up to be massacred :)…is that what you admire?

    Regarding POWs, Dubai said it…

    Cuba is small, Ukraine and Quebec are big…if you can’t tell the difference take some remedial math. US would never allow Russian on its borders with military bases. Why should Russians or Chinese be different?

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate…he lied but most of his voters had no way of knowing that. Zelko is a natural liar, a trained actor. Porky was the pro-West-pro-Nato candidate, in a way a more sympathetic character…but they will both be cursed by the surviving Ukies for generations.

    Nato wanted Ukraine, Russia has blocked it – now for the endless lies and tears. You play the loser screaming “but I am not a loser” quite well…:) But it changes nothing.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate…he lied but most of his voters had no way of knowing that.
     
    American joke:
    - How do you know the politician is lying?
    - His lips are moving…

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    US war in Iraq lasted 5 to 10 years and they eventually lost it
     
    The entire Iraqi army was destroyed and the country was conquered in 5 weeks. The insurgency that followed lasted for many years.

    In Ukraine, Russia couldn’t even do the first part- it grabbed 8% more of Ukraine in 2022, was kicked out of the capital’s suburbs.

    But yes - the insurgency in Iraq lasted for several years and America withdrew. So follows the pattern of the invader eventually losing if he doesn’t finish it within 2 years.


    Regarding POWs, Dubai said it
     
    Link? You shouldn’t be taken at your word, and I couldn’t find it in my quick search. I posted the only thing I did find- 3,000 Ukrainian POWs according to Ukraine, real number probably higher.

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate
     
    The important word in your statement was “more.”

    He was milder than Poroshenko, but also pro-NATO and pro-EU. He said Bandera was cool, but didn’t need so many statues.

    The pro-Russian guy, who didn’t think Bandera was cool, and was opposed to NATO membership, lost and didn’t make it into the 2nd round.

    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  76. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The Sumilov dog is great example.

    I don't believe McCarthy's theory myself but his pages are endlessly fascinating to me regardless. Sometimes I get the impression reading them they are just his personal thought experiment, like suppose the gray aliens are time traveling Ashkenazi Jews trying to debug their genetic line which the extant time line has them for a destination. Academic science fiction spitballing.

    The ratings have been published. Sunday's football game is the most watched television show ever. I don't know about the granularity of it. Soon they are going to tell us who got the most watched television advertisement ever.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39515554/super-bowl-lviii-sets-tv-ratings-record-1234m-viewers

    https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/fs/a6520e102838697.5f3f8d91960a3.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird

    Didn’t watch the Superbowl, but I tried to read a bit about the ads.

    Only one that stood out to me was one called “Stop the Jewish Hate.”. What I found curious about it is that they had the guy who was MLK’s speechwriter and they called him his speechwriter, which I considered breaking a taboo, esp. during Black History Month. (The idea is always that “I Have a Dream” was his sentiment and not something he was reading.). But it was so short (ten seconds) that I don’t think it registered with most people.
    _____
    They were forecasting a really big snowstorm today, and I am shocked how wrong they got it. They cancelled school and a lot of people didn’t go into work. But hardly anything accumulated. Can still see patches of grass.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    They were forecasting a really big snowstorm today, and I am shocked how wrong they got it. They cancelled school and a lot of people didn’t go into work. But hardly anything accumulated. Can still see patches of grass.
     
    Aren’t you used to it? The people who confidently pontificate about temperatures 50 or 100 years from now cannot predict the weather in the next hour, let alone the next day.

    Replies: @songbird

  77. @Beckow
    @AP


    ..USA conquering Iraq in 5 weeks was quick. Germany taking Poland in 5 weeks or France in 6 weeks were quick.
     
    US war in Iraq lasted 5 to 10 years and they eventually lost it. In Afgan more like 20 years and they still lost. Poles and French? Well, what can one say...they are natural losers, they either rushed to surrender or lined up to be massacred :)...is that what you admire?

    Regarding POWs, Dubai said it...

    Cuba is small, Ukraine and Quebec are big...if you can't tell the difference take some remedial math. US would never allow Russian on its borders with military bases. Why should Russians or Chinese be different?

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate...he lied but most of his voters had no way of knowing that. Zelko is a natural liar, a trained actor. Porky was the pro-West-pro-Nato candidate, in a way a more sympathetic character...but they will both be cursed by the surviving Ukies for generations.

    Nato wanted Ukraine, Russia has blocked it - now for the endless lies and tears. You play the loser screaming "but I am not a loser" quite well...:) But it changes nothing.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate…he lied but most of his voters had no way of knowing that.

    American joke:
    – How do you know the politician is lying?
    – His lips are moving…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Yep, it is their generic characteristic....Zelko is unique as a complete non-entity who was told to play a role, but with no past or future he is just a momentary embodiment of the mad failed plan to move Nato to Ukraine...the plan that cannot now even be acknowledged - it is quite absurd.

    This post-modernism is really only a shallow game of lies. What they lack is even a minimal sense of responsibility and honor...they can't even admit what they wanted.

  78. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Didn't watch the Superbowl, but I tried to read a bit about the ads.

    Only one that stood out to me was one called "Stop the Jewish Hate.". What I found curious about it is that they had the guy who was MLK's speechwriter and they called him his speechwriter, which I considered breaking a taboo, esp. during Black History Month. (The idea is always that "I Have a Dream" was his sentiment and not something he was reading.). But it was so short (ten seconds) that I don't think it registered with most people.
    _____
    They were forecasting a really big snowstorm today, and I am shocked how wrong they got it. They cancelled school and a lot of people didn't go into work. But hardly anything accumulated. Can still see patches of grass.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    They were forecasting a really big snowstorm today, and I am shocked how wrong they got it. They cancelled school and a lot of people didn’t go into work. But hardly anything accumulated. Can still see patches of grass.

    Aren’t you used to it? The people who confidently pontificate about temperatures 50 or 100 years from now cannot predict the weather in the next hour, let alone the next day.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    Aren’t you used to it?
     
    Forecasting snow by the ocean can be pretty tricky, but easily the worst forecast I've seen in the past 10-15 years. Guess there are probably a lot of local factors that make extrapolating from other parts of the globe too difficult.

    The people who confidently pontificate about temperatures 50 or 100 years
     
    I'd like to see someone create an ethnography on Greens. Their habits and customs must be really interesting. Would be very much surprised, if they weren't the group with their thermostats set on the highest.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  79. @John Johnson
    @A123


    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.

     

    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    Let the record show that you refuse to answer the question about House MAGA Republicans and their desire to write Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.

    A pattern consistent not only with MAGA defenders but also "blame the Jew" bloggers that talk about Jewish influence in US politics but completely sidestep the MAGA wing of the House that is more concerned with writing Israel a check than fixing the border. Our MAGA House Republicans want to give financial aid to Israel even though they have a massive military advantage over a bunch of Arabs in tank tops with RPGs that don't even work against trophy armor (note that Scott Ritter was completely wrong about Hamas tactical efficacy). These House Republicans describe themselves as "America First" by not supporting Ukraine who could actually use our help.

    So you instead childishly respond to a direct question with a question of your own as you are trying to dance around the rhino in the room. Do you feel good as a man to engage in such childish reality avoidance? If you can formulate a clear question then I will try to answer it. We both know you are the one on the side of reality denial. In fact most of your postings related to MAGA are an endorsement that Trump's fans have gone off the deep end and seem to exist in a state of confusion. They are not only in denial of his pending felonies but seem to think it is just fine to write Israel a check for $14 billion while calling themselves 'Merica First.

    Replies: @A123

    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.

    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?

    Why do you refuse to answer the question? Let the record show that JJ/KK supports Hamas use of human shields.

    Let the record show that you refuse to answer the question about House MAGA Republicans and their desire to write Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.

    Why should I answer your questions when you refuse to answer mine? Let the record show JJ/KK is a hypocrite.

    Provide a serious answer to my question, and I will answer yours. Let the record show, the ball is in your court.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Provide a serious answer to my question, and I will answer yours. Let the record show, the ball is in your court.

    Where is the question? Go ahead and re-state it.

    I'm on record as being against civilian attacks of any type. I also don't support IDF measures like destroying entire apartment buildings because a Hamas member lived in a single unit. I've held that position for years and it is in my history.

    My views are pretty mainstream. Most Americans want a ceasefire and believe Israel has gone too far. I didn't view the October 7 attacks as a breakout or military operation and I was called a Jew for believing it initially happened. Attacking a concert and engaging in gang rape is not a military operation. Kidnapping children is not a military operation.

    But I also don't support the current reprisals by Israel. You don't have to a pick a side and mindlessly cheer.

    Replies: @A123

  80. Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    And of course ripping them off as they do with rural Russian conscripts.

    Even the Nazis paid their foreign soldiers.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @John Johnson


    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?
     
    For the same reason Brazil fought in WWII, thus engaging South America - so it can be called "world war" and thus apocalyptic prophecies about people & tongues fighting be fulfilled. After all, Chabad-Lubavitch runs Putin and his clique of oligarchs like Roman Abramovich.
    Ukraine has (or had) multinational mercenaries fighting too.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?
     
    For the same reason Nato is using Ukies to do the actual fighting...I think even you should be able to figure it out. But can you?
    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Once the SMO combat wraps up Russia will need a large 'peacekeeping force' to establish and maintain order in Ukraine. Outsiders are often used for this sort of contentious role. Perhaps there will also be a multinational peacekeeping force in Western Ukraine. Russia has already stated that her standing Army is being enlarged. I assume the plan is to have a lot of combat seasoned reserves as well.

    This expanded Russian military is part of the dismal self-fulfilling prophecy where Russia's scaredy-cat neighbors agreed with the West that it was a good time to take advantage of Russia's economic and military weakness and give the coup de grace. Predictably Russia is weathering the pressure and appears to be gaining strength. So what was once an opportunity for improving relations has been turned into a fresh standoff which could last for generations. Great job, morons.

    PS: Can we call these new troops Girkin's Gurkhas? As a Russian nationalist he may not approve, but the name has a nice ring to it in English. Or we could go with Strelkov's Sherpas....

    Replies: @John Johnson

  81. @A123
    @John Johnson



    I haven’t given my opinion on human shields.
     
    Here is your perfect opportunity. Why do you refuse to answer the question?
     
    Why do you refuse to answer the question? Let the record show that JJ/KK supports Hamas use of human shields.

    Let the record show that you refuse to answer the question about House MAGA Republicans and their desire to write Israel a check for $14 billion dollars.
     
    Why should I answer your questions when you refuse to answer mine? Let the record show JJ/KK is a hypocrite.

    Provide a serious answer to my question, and I will answer yours. Let the record show, the ball is in your court.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Provide a serious answer to my question, and I will answer yours. Let the record show, the ball is in your court.

    Where is the question? Go ahead and re-state it.

    I’m on record as being against civilian attacks of any type. I also don’t support IDF measures like destroying entire apartment buildings because a Hamas member lived in a single unit. I’ve held that position for years and it is in my history.

    My views are pretty mainstream. Most Americans want a ceasefire and believe Israel has gone too far. I didn’t view the October 7 attacks as a breakout or military operation and I was called a Jew for believing it initially happened. Attacking a concert and engaging in gang rape is not a military operation. Kidnapping children is not a military operation.

    But I also don’t support the current reprisals by Israel. You don’t have to a pick a side and mindlessly cheer.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    Where is the question? Go ahead and re-state it.
     
    From #35: (1)

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works. Blaming the Jewish and Christian victims of Muslim/Islamophile aggression makes no sense. Such lack of focus is both immoral and prolongs the problems.
     

    As questions go, it was pretty clear.

    Attacking a concert and engaging in gang rape is not a military operation. Kidnapping children is not a military operation.
     
    Hamas built tunnels and uses them to stage attacks on indigenous Palestinian Jews. This includes weaponizing theoretically civilian structures including hospitals, schools, UNRWA facilities, etc. Regardless of how you define the actions of Hamas (military or not), it drew the minimum necessary response.

    The only way for indigenous Palestinian Jews to be safe is fully defeating and dismantling Hamas. Muslim use of their coreligionists as human shields is quite grim. However, Palestinian Jews cannot surrender because the other side misbehaves. That rewards the war crime.

    You really need to stop blaming the Christian and Jewish victims of senseless Muslim/Islamophile aggression.
    ____

    As to the current bill... Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the "clean" package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.

    • Will Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer (Is he a Jew?) block a vote on aid to Palestinian Jews?
    • If he allows the vote. How many anti-Semitic, Islamophile Democrats will go on record supporting Hamas ethnic cleansing?

    If it somehow passed the Senate, we know that Not-The-President Biden hates indigenous Palestinian Jews. The White House occupant would veto it, and there is no chance of over riding that in Congress.
    ___

    If there was to be a serious discussion about what would be most valuable... the dollar amount would almost certainly be much lower. It would focus on hard to come by material, especially gear 100% unavailable if it does not come from existing U.S. military stocks.

    There is no point on attempting to dwell on various highly theoretical, vague, potential non-bills. The Veggie-In-Chief would block any such request, so no one will try to draft anything substantive enough to analyze. There is far too little detail to find a number in a meaningful way. Therefore, it is too speculative to place in a meaningful question.

    A hypothetical number with inadequate detail on what it precisely is for cannot be debated in a constructive way.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-242/#comment-6414342

    Replies: @John Johnson

  82. @John Johnson
    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5zE8MdYrE

    And of course ripping them off as they do with rural Russian conscripts.

    Even the Nazis paid their foreign soldiers.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Beckow, @QCIC

    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    For the same reason Brazil fought in WWII, thus engaging South America – so it can be called “world war” and thus apocalyptic prophecies about people & tongues fighting be fulfilled. After all, Chabad-Lubavitch runs Putin and his clique of oligarchs like Roman Abramovich.
    Ukraine has (or had) multinational mercenaries fighting too.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    For the same reason Brazil fought in WWII, thus engaging South America – so it can be called “world war” and thus apocalyptic prophecies about people & tongues fighting be fulfilled. After all, Chabad-Lubavitch runs Putin and his clique of oligarchs like Roman Abramovich.

    Unlikely.

    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.

    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.

    Ukraine has (or had) multinational mercenaries fighting too.

    Yes and they're also the underdog with 30% the population size of Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  83. @John Johnson
    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5zE8MdYrE

    And of course ripping them off as they do with rural Russian conscripts.

    Even the Nazis paid their foreign soldiers.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Beckow, @QCIC

    …Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    For the same reason Nato is using Ukies to do the actual fighting…I think even you should be able to figure it out. But can you?

  84. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate…he lied but most of his voters had no way of knowing that.
     
    American joke:
    - How do you know the politician is lying?
    - His lips are moving…

    Replies: @Beckow

    Yep, it is their generic characteristic….Zelko is unique as a complete non-entity who was told to play a role, but with no past or future he is just a momentary embodiment of the mad failed plan to move Nato to Ukraine…the plan that cannot now even be acknowledged – it is quite absurd.

    This post-modernism is really only a shallow game of lies. What they lack is even a minimal sense of responsibility and honor…they can’t even admit what they wanted.

  85. Now watch the magic happen when all those who have been salivating about RF economic growth due war industry expansion will suddenly become immediate white doves on olive trees, lamentating the MIC as cause of all evil in the world;)

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    Some interesting information. Can you provide an accompanying article that helps to explain in greater detail what exactly these figures represent?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel

    , @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    The MIC of Tatarstan and Irkutsk etc, as a political and economy entity will not in any form dictate the end or lengthening of the SMO - that is completely different from the MIC states of the US to the SMO you dumbf**k.

    In the sick political culture of Pindostan... political/business lobby groups in those US states want & need the war to continue to help them get elected at local and presidential elections... and generate jobs/money for their area.

    The MIC relation to the SMO will have ZERO influence on Putin getting presidential vote in Tatarstan, Irkutsk etc.... or the politicians locally you stupid retard. Other different factors will lift their votes up or down.

    The EIC is though hugely important to Black Russia "Lithuania". The Ethanol Industrial Complex is the most important thing in the political aspect to the earthworm, brain dead, liver-diseased Lithuanian dickheads you moron. President and local officials guaranteed vote if there is factory emitting ethanol flames as waste product for the Kaunas plankton to sniff...or ethanol is flowing into the drains outside of the factory for the Kaunas sick locals to drink.

    Replies: @sudden death

  86. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Provide a serious answer to my question, and I will answer yours. Let the record show, the ball is in your court.

    Where is the question? Go ahead and re-state it.

    I'm on record as being against civilian attacks of any type. I also don't support IDF measures like destroying entire apartment buildings because a Hamas member lived in a single unit. I've held that position for years and it is in my history.

    My views are pretty mainstream. Most Americans want a ceasefire and believe Israel has gone too far. I didn't view the October 7 attacks as a breakout or military operation and I was called a Jew for believing it initially happened. Attacking a concert and engaging in gang rape is not a military operation. Kidnapping children is not a military operation.

    But I also don't support the current reprisals by Israel. You don't have to a pick a side and mindlessly cheer.

    Replies: @A123

    Where is the question? Go ahead and re-state it.

    From #35: (1)

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works. Blaming the Jewish and Christian victims of Muslim/Islamophile aggression makes no sense. Such lack of focus is both immoral and prolongs the problems.

    As questions go, it was pretty clear.

    Attacking a concert and engaging in gang rape is not a military operation. Kidnapping children is not a military operation.

    Hamas built tunnels and uses them to stage attacks on indigenous Palestinian Jews. This includes weaponizing theoretically civilian structures including hospitals, schools, UNRWA facilities, etc. Regardless of how you define the actions of Hamas (military or not), it drew the minimum necessary response.

    The only way for indigenous Palestinian Jews to be safe is fully defeating and dismantling Hamas. Muslim use of their coreligionists as human shields is quite grim. However, Palestinian Jews cannot surrender because the other side misbehaves. That rewards the war crime.

    You really need to stop blaming the Christian and Jewish victims of senseless Muslim/Islamophile aggression.
    ____

    As to the current bill… Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the “clean” package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.

    • Will Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer (Is he a Jew?) block a vote on aid to Palestinian Jews?
    • If he allows the vote. How many anti-Semitic, Islamophile Democrats will go on record supporting Hamas ethnic cleansing?

    If it somehow passed the Senate, we know that Not-The-President Biden hates indigenous Palestinian Jews. The White House occupant would veto it, and there is no chance of over riding that in Congress.
    ___

    If there was to be a serious discussion about what would be most valuable… the dollar amount would almost certainly be much lower. It would focus on hard to come by material, especially gear 100% unavailable if it does not come from existing U.S. military stocks.

    There is no point on attempting to dwell on various highly theoretical, vague, potential non-bills. The Veggie-In-Chief would block any such request, so no one will try to draft anything substantive enough to analyze. There is far too little detail to find a number in a meaningful way. Therefore, it is too speculative to place in a meaningful question.

    A hypothetical number with inadequate detail on what it precisely is for cannot be debated in a constructive way.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-242/#comment-6414342

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works.

    And where did I do that?

    Please quote me. I haven't even commented on the Texas shooting.

    You are consistently unable to simply quote me and then respond. It's unreal.

    I was called a Jewish operative repeatedly in the Anglin threads over not supporting Hamas and the Rape n Wilding idiocy. But in the open thread you've used your imagination to convince yourself I took a political position on human shields....and in favor of Hamas? Why don't you explain that for us. You are mentally losing it.

    As to the current bill… Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the “clean” package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.

    Which package are you talking about? Please provide a source.

    Should the America First MAGA position be to sell Israel military hardware that they can afford or should we give it to them for free as MAGA House Republicans are demanding?

    Replies: @A123

  87. Three Types of Miracles [thread]

    When Guru Gobind Singh arrived in Agra, he was aggressively questioned by a strict Muslim Sayyid if he possessed any abilities to perform miracles – to which the Guru playfully described 3 types of miracles…

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh


    Are there any incidents of nuclear war or nuclear weapons used in ancient India?

     

    https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-incidents-of-nuclear-war-or-nuclear-weapons-used-in-ancient-India

    Vimāna are mythological flying palaces or chariots described in Hindu texts and Sanskrit epics
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimana

    Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

    Oppenheimer was diagnosed with throat cancer in late 1965. After inconclusive surgery, he underwent unsuccessful radiation treatment and chemotherapy late in 1966. On February 18, 1967, he died in his sleep at his home in Princeton, aged 62 years.
     
    1 Bitcoin is $51,958.18

    https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/
  88. @sudden death
    Now watch the magic happen when all those who have been salivating about RF economic growth due war industry expansion will suddenly become immediate white doves on olive trees, lamentating the MIC as cause of all evil in the world;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGP1qxrXYAAjv_n.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    Some interesting information. Can you provide an accompanying article that helps to explain in greater detail what exactly these figures represent?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mr. Hack


    The US Department of Defense has released a new map identifying where the the funds appropriated by the 4 prior Ukraine Supplementals have been obligated so far. There is still another $14.5 billion yet to be obligated/contracted as well ($7.9b PDA replacement & $6.6 billion USAI).
     

    Appropriated "Ukraine" funding actually includes over $50 billion that is spent in the US to procure weapons and increase production, creating manufacturing jobs. These maps depict just a portion of that sum, and do not reflect either total defense spending by state, or the total amount spent on procurement & investment since Feb 2022.

    The top recipient states of those contracts & investment are:
    1. Arkansas - $2.344 billion
    2. Arizona - $2.076 billion
    3. Pennsylvania - $1.978 billion
    4. California - $1.527 billion
    5. Texas - $1.478 billion
    6. Florida - $1.114 billion
    7. Alabama - $945 million
    8. West Virginia - $932 million
    9. Massachusetts - $876 million
    10. Ohio - $808 million

    The top per capita recipient states are:
    1. Arkansas - $770
    2. West Virginia - $525
    3. Arizona - $282
    4. Iowa - $239
    5. Alabama - $186
    6. New Hampshire - $161
    7. Pennsylvania - $152
    8. Massachusetts - $125
    9. Mississippi - $115
    10. Missouri - $113

    Arkansas taking the top spot on both lists is not surprising, given state's small population and the importance of Lockheed's Camden plant, which produces HIMARS, GMLRS & ATACMS
     

    https://twitter.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1757519823716684046
    , @Mikel
    @Mr. Hack


    Some interesting information. Can you provide an accompanying article that helps to explain in greater detail what exactly these figures represent?
     
    Let me explain in simple terms what those figures represent. They represent the US government getting its hand in your pocket, mine and everyone else's in America in order to incur in those expenses. A part of the money thus collected from all of us goes to the pockets of a small fraction of Americans in some states, as detailed in the map.

    However, since the US has been running public deficits for many years now, these military expenses only add to the debt and the money thus collected actually goes to finance that debt. If in fact this historically high level of debt ever gets repaid, these expenses will have to continue being paid by our children and perhaps our grandchildren. If the US eventually defaults, these military expenses that only benefit a small minority will be another nail in the coffin of the US economic demise.

    That's what those figures represent.

    Another way of looking at it is to imagine the US government adding to its debt by spending tens of billions of dollars in an expansion of the corn industry in order to give away massive amounts of corn subproducts to some foreign nation. We would all have to pay for that expansion but surely the Department of Agriculture would also produce beautiful maps showing how some states benefit from that ruinous deficit spending and people like sudden death could also post them in the hopes that people like you get the idea that it's just a fantastic investment for those Americans with no cost for anybody else.

    Replies: @Beckow, @sudden death

  89. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    They were forecasting a really big snowstorm today, and I am shocked how wrong they got it. They cancelled school and a lot of people didn’t go into work. But hardly anything accumulated. Can still see patches of grass.
     
    Aren’t you used to it? The people who confidently pontificate about temperatures 50 or 100 years from now cannot predict the weather in the next hour, let alone the next day.

    Replies: @songbird

    Aren’t you used to it?

    Forecasting snow by the ocean can be pretty tricky, but easily the worst forecast I’ve seen in the past 10-15 years. Guess there are probably a lot of local factors that make extrapolating from other parts of the globe too difficult.

    The people who confidently pontificate about temperatures 50 or 100 years

    I’d like to see someone create an ethnography on Greens. Their habits and customs must be really interesting. Would be very much surprised, if they weren’t the group with their thermostats set on the highest.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    I’d like to see someone create an ethnography on Greens. Their habits and customs must be really interesting. Would be very much surprised, if they weren’t the group with their thermostats set on the highest.
     
    Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. Self-proclaimed "green" Al Gore has a huge mansion in TN which he did not even visit for years. Yet every night the lights there come on, so that he burns more electricity than ten normal household who actually live in their houses.

    All that climate BS is to benefit certain parties to the tune of billions (carbon tax, subsidies for EVs, solar panels, windmills, etc., all at the expense of cheated taxpayers) and has nothing to do with real care for the environment. No climate change freak ever answered my simple question: Mesozoic era lasted almost 200 million years, with temperatures on Earth much higher than today. Yet there were no humans, no fossil fuels, no other scarecrows "green" liars use in their propaganda.

    Judging by winters in Russia and navigability of the route along its Northern shore the climate is getting warmer. Yet there is no proof that humans have anything to do with it, or that humans can do anything about it. But some people make enough money on “climate science” to pay their huge electric bills.

  90. @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    Some interesting information. Can you provide an accompanying article that helps to explain in greater detail what exactly these figures represent?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel

    The US Department of Defense has released a new map identifying where the the funds appropriated by the 4 prior Ukraine Supplementals have been obligated so far. There is still another $14.5 billion yet to be obligated/contracted as well ($7.9b PDA replacement & $6.6 billion USAI).

    [MORE]

    Appropriated “Ukraine” funding actually includes over $50 billion that is spent in the US to procure weapons and increase production, creating manufacturing jobs. These maps depict just a portion of that sum, and do not reflect either total defense spending by state, or the total amount spent on procurement & investment since Feb 2022.

    The top recipient states of those contracts & investment are:
    1. Arkansas – $2.344 billion
    2. Arizona – $2.076 billion
    3. Pennsylvania – $1.978 billion
    4. California – $1.527 billion
    5. Texas – $1.478 billion
    6. Florida – $1.114 billion
    7. Alabama – $945 million
    8. West Virginia – $932 million
    9. Massachusetts – $876 million
    10. Ohio – $808 million

    The top per capita recipient states are:
    1. Arkansas – $770
    2. West Virginia – $525
    3. Arizona – $282
    4. Iowa – $239
    5. Alabama – $186
    6. New Hampshire – $161
    7. Pennsylvania – $152
    8. Massachusetts – $125
    9. Mississippi – $115
    10. Missouri – $113

    Arkansas taking the top spot on both lists is not surprising, given state’s small population and the importance of Lockheed’s Camden plant, which produces HIMARS, GMLRS & ATACMS

  91. @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    FYI, most Ukrainians in the former Hapsburg ruled Ukraine are Orthodox Christians. There's also the example of the Romanians under Hapsburg rule.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    According to this map, this is inaccurate:

    Christianity in Ukraine
    byu/GavinShipman inMapPorn

    Also according to this map:

    Religions in Ukraine (2015) [1000 x 7000] [OC]
    byu/FrankCesco inMapPorn

    Galicia appears to be slightly more Greek Catholic than Eastern Orthodox, though maybe this would not be true for ex-Hapsburg Ukraine as a whole due to the inclusion of northern Bukovina. I doubt this, however, because AFAIK northern Bukovina’s population is relatively small in comparison to that of Galicia.

    The Romanians under Hapsburg rule actually did significantly become Uniates (Greek Catholics) in northern Transylvania, just not in southern Transylvania or in Bukovina. I don’t know what specifically the reason for this discrepancy was. But Yeah, northern Transylvania was still Uniate-majority as late as 1930:

    The percentage of Greek-Catholics in Romania, 1930
    byu/Gruenwaldo inMapPorn

    The Uniate Church was subsequently aggressively suppressed by the Romanian Communists.

  92. @John Johnson
    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5zE8MdYrE

    And of course ripping them off as they do with rural Russian conscripts.

    Even the Nazis paid their foreign soldiers.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Beckow, @QCIC

    Once the SMO combat wraps up Russia will need a large ‘peacekeeping force’ to establish and maintain order in Ukraine. Outsiders are often used for this sort of contentious role. Perhaps there will also be a multinational peacekeeping force in Western Ukraine. Russia has already stated that her standing Army is being enlarged. I assume the plan is to have a lot of combat seasoned reserves as well.

    This expanded Russian military is part of the dismal self-fulfilling prophecy where Russia’s scaredy-cat neighbors agreed with the West that it was a good time to take advantage of Russia’s economic and military weakness and give the coup de grace. Predictably Russia is weathering the pressure and appears to be gaining strength. So what was once an opportunity for improving relations has been turned into a fresh standoff which could last for generations. Great job, morons.

    PS: Can we call these new troops Girkin’s Gurkhas? As a Russian nationalist he may not approve, but the name has a nice ring to it in English. Or we could go with Strelkov’s Sherpas….

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Once the SMO combat wraps up Russia will need a large ‘peacekeeping force’ to establish and maintain order in Ukraine.

    So you actually believe Russia will take all of Ukraine? Why is Russia building all of these defensive lines in Eastern Ukraine?

    Outsiders are often used for this sort of contentious role.

    Putin is putting these mercenaries on the frontline. That isn't speculation. They lie to the men and tell them they won't be in combat. Then plans change once they are in Ukraine. Same game they play against the conscripts. No worries you'll be behind the front......whoops I guess not and there are Chechens that will shoot if you try to escape.

    What a country. World is impressed. Putin scams both conscripts and foreigners.

    Predictably Russia is weathering the pressure and appears to be gaining strength.

    Fans of Putin have been telling us that Russia has been gaining strength since one month after their failed attempt at taking Kiev. Ritter predicted that Russia was near victory for over a year on a monthly basis.

    PS: Can we call these new troops Girkin’s Gurkhas?

    Probably not since Girkin is in prison and has decided that Putin is clueless on military tactics and should be removed. Girkin is still pro-war but wants Putin and his generals out.

    But it has a nice ring. I'll give you that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

  93. @AP
    @Beckow


    The POW exchange are negotiated through Dubai and they said so – google it. The exchanges are 1-for-1 so a lot more Ukie POWs are held in Russia.
     
    Why does a 1-for-1 exchange mean that Russia has more Ukrainian POWs than vice versa?

    Google got this result:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-stalls-war-prisoners-exchange-heat-political-tensions-ukraine-kyiv-says/

    "As of today, Russia holds more than 3,000 Ukrainian soldiers and some 28,000 civilians, the Ukrainian ombudsman’s office and reintegration ministry said. However, the real number may be even higher."

    Do you have other numbers?

    "The Ukrainians have not said how many Russians they hold, but they have so many that they're building a second POW camp to hold them. Russians are also being held in a special facility in western Ukraine and housed in cells in pretrial detention centers."

    The “running it the way they want…” is both undefinable and meaningless. Can Quebec expel the English-speakers and join Russia in a military alliance against US?
     
    Does it want to?

    BTW Quebec's language policies are in some ways similar to Ukraine's.

    Cuba hosted thousands of Soviet soldiers and had a Soviet military base on its soil. It just didn't have Soviet nukes.

    Plus a large portion – maybe even a majority – of Ukies didn’t care for that, didn’t want Nato, didn’t want to ban the Russian language
     
    Russia made them want NATO from 2014. And now they do.

    Only 16% of Ukrainians voted for candidates that wanted to keep Russian as a second state language. This was the choice of the Ukrainian people.

    Ukraine would lose quickly

    Two to three year is quite quick.
     
    Nonsense. In the last 100 years - USA conquering Iraq in 5 weeks was quick. Germany taking Poland in 5 weeks or France in 6 weeks were quick. Winter was quick (3.5 months). Falklands War was quick, Azeri-Armenian war was quick.

    In the last century, when has an invader won a war, when the invader failed to win quickly and the war lasted more than 2 years? Germany lost against the Soviet Union, Iraq failed to defeat Iran (that war lasted 8 years).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Cuba hosted thousands of Soviet soldiers and had a Soviet military base on its soil. It just didn’t have Soviet nukes.

    Yep; once the US found out about the Soviet troops in Cuba in 1979 or 1980, it very, very loudly complained but didn’t actually engage in any new attempts at regime change in Cuba.

    BTW, do you agree with Anatoly Karlin’s analysis of Moscow?

    https://nitter.cz/nooceleration/status/1757211136150093936#m

    Moscow strikes me as the cultural capital of Eastern Europe but the nice areas of the BosWash megalopolis in the Northeastern US combined probably strike me as being more impressive. BosWash also has astronomically more elite science production relative to Moscow, whether in per capita terms or in total terms.

  94. @Another Polish Perspective
    @John Johnson


    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?
     
    For the same reason Brazil fought in WWII, thus engaging South America - so it can be called "world war" and thus apocalyptic prophecies about people & tongues fighting be fulfilled. After all, Chabad-Lubavitch runs Putin and his clique of oligarchs like Roman Abramovich.
    Ukraine has (or had) multinational mercenaries fighting too.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    For the same reason Brazil fought in WWII, thus engaging South America – so it can be called “world war” and thus apocalyptic prophecies about people & tongues fighting be fulfilled. After all, Chabad-Lubavitch runs Putin and his clique of oligarchs like Roman Abramovich.

    Unlikely.

    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.

    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.

    Ukraine has (or had) multinational mercenaries fighting too.

    Yes and they’re also the underdog with 30% the population size of Russia.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.

     

    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia's two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).

    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.

     

    Do these mercenaries get Russian citizenship if they survive?

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

  95. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Once the SMO combat wraps up Russia will need a large 'peacekeeping force' to establish and maintain order in Ukraine. Outsiders are often used for this sort of contentious role. Perhaps there will also be a multinational peacekeeping force in Western Ukraine. Russia has already stated that her standing Army is being enlarged. I assume the plan is to have a lot of combat seasoned reserves as well.

    This expanded Russian military is part of the dismal self-fulfilling prophecy where Russia's scaredy-cat neighbors agreed with the West that it was a good time to take advantage of Russia's economic and military weakness and give the coup de grace. Predictably Russia is weathering the pressure and appears to be gaining strength. So what was once an opportunity for improving relations has been turned into a fresh standoff which could last for generations. Great job, morons.

    PS: Can we call these new troops Girkin's Gurkhas? As a Russian nationalist he may not approve, but the name has a nice ring to it in English. Or we could go with Strelkov's Sherpas....

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Once the SMO combat wraps up Russia will need a large ‘peacekeeping force’ to establish and maintain order in Ukraine.

    So you actually believe Russia will take all of Ukraine? Why is Russia building all of these defensive lines in Eastern Ukraine?

    Outsiders are often used for this sort of contentious role.

    Putin is putting these mercenaries on the frontline. That isn’t speculation. They lie to the men and tell them they won’t be in combat. Then plans change once they are in Ukraine. Same game they play against the conscripts. No worries you’ll be behind the front……whoops I guess not and there are Chechens that will shoot if you try to escape.

    What a country. World is impressed. Putin scams both conscripts and foreigners.

    Predictably Russia is weathering the pressure and appears to be gaining strength.

    Fans of Putin have been telling us that Russia has been gaining strength since one month after their failed attempt at taking Kiev. Ritter predicted that Russia was near victory for over a year on a monthly basis.

    PS: Can we call these new troops Girkin’s Gurkhas?

    Probably not since Girkin is in prison and has decided that Putin is clueless on military tactics and should be removed. Girkin is still pro-war but wants Putin and his generals out.

    But it has a nice ring. I’ll give you that.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I think Russia does not want to take the western half of Ukraine. On the other hand she doesn't want an even bigger war with NATO in that region two years from now. I still believe Russia is intentionally slowly grinding down the Ukrainian forces and probably working the Ukrainian political angle behind the scenes.

    Russia's build-up is very gradual. This appear odd from a Western perspective which expects rapid change, but the build up seems to be occurring nonetheless. At the low end this includes more smart weapons, more tanks, etc. while the production of big ticket items like submarines continues. A lot of this equipment is refurbished which suggests Russia is only in a position to build up gradually. This process may be slowly accelerating as gaps in the military supply chain are filled. Alternatively it could be a zero sum game where new gaps continually open up due to sanctions as old gaps are addressed.

    I still believe Russia is preserving substantial forces to be ready for other Western military pressure outside of Ukraine. The slow grinding combat in Ukraine allows Russia to conserve these forces. I am starting to wonder if Russia is willing to keep fighting in Ukraine at this low level indefinitely until Ukraine simply gets tired of it.

    I don't know why Russia is constructing extended defensive lines, here are some guesses: 1) a show of long-term commitment to the Ukrainians, 2) expectation of increased NATO (Polish) involvement on the ground, 3) trap AFU between these lines and the river or 4) reduce the influx of Ukrainian combat teams into Russia (completely pacify and secure everything to the East of these lines)? The Russian military is still avoiding heavy bombing of the largest Ukrainian cities. To me this suggests they are following their own timetable.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson


    Russia has been gaining strength since one month after their failed attempt at taking Kiev.
     
    "fail attempt at taking Kiev"...you keep repeating this nonsense many times. Listen to Putin interview, I think he gave answer to that specific issue.
  96. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    Aren’t you used to it?
     
    Forecasting snow by the ocean can be pretty tricky, but easily the worst forecast I've seen in the past 10-15 years. Guess there are probably a lot of local factors that make extrapolating from other parts of the globe too difficult.

    The people who confidently pontificate about temperatures 50 or 100 years
     
    I'd like to see someone create an ethnography on Greens. Their habits and customs must be really interesting. Would be very much surprised, if they weren't the group with their thermostats set on the highest.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I’d like to see someone create an ethnography on Greens. Their habits and customs must be really interesting. Would be very much surprised, if they weren’t the group with their thermostats set on the highest.

    Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. Self-proclaimed “green” Al Gore has a huge mansion in TN which he did not even visit for years. Yet every night the lights there come on, so that he burns more electricity than ten normal household who actually live in their houses.

    All that climate BS is to benefit certain parties to the tune of billions (carbon tax, subsidies for EVs, solar panels, windmills, etc., all at the expense of cheated taxpayers) and has nothing to do with real care for the environment. No climate change freak ever answered my simple question: Mesozoic era lasted almost 200 million years, with temperatures on Earth much higher than today. Yet there were no humans, no fossil fuels, no other scarecrows “green” liars use in their propaganda.

    Judging by winters in Russia and navigability of the route along its Northern shore the climate is getting warmer. Yet there is no proof that humans have anything to do with it, or that humans can do anything about it. But some people make enough money on “climate science” to pay their huge electric bills.

    • Agree: songbird
  97. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Where is the question? Go ahead and re-state it.
     
    From #35: (1)

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works. Blaming the Jewish and Christian victims of Muslim/Islamophile aggression makes no sense. Such lack of focus is both immoral and prolongs the problems.
     

    As questions go, it was pretty clear.

    Attacking a concert and engaging in gang rape is not a military operation. Kidnapping children is not a military operation.
     
    Hamas built tunnels and uses them to stage attacks on indigenous Palestinian Jews. This includes weaponizing theoretically civilian structures including hospitals, schools, UNRWA facilities, etc. Regardless of how you define the actions of Hamas (military or not), it drew the minimum necessary response.

    The only way for indigenous Palestinian Jews to be safe is fully defeating and dismantling Hamas. Muslim use of their coreligionists as human shields is quite grim. However, Palestinian Jews cannot surrender because the other side misbehaves. That rewards the war crime.

    You really need to stop blaming the Christian and Jewish victims of senseless Muslim/Islamophile aggression.
    ____

    As to the current bill... Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the "clean" package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.

    • Will Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer (Is he a Jew?) block a vote on aid to Palestinian Jews?
    • If he allows the vote. How many anti-Semitic, Islamophile Democrats will go on record supporting Hamas ethnic cleansing?

    If it somehow passed the Senate, we know that Not-The-President Biden hates indigenous Palestinian Jews. The White House occupant would veto it, and there is no chance of over riding that in Congress.
    ___

    If there was to be a serious discussion about what would be most valuable... the dollar amount would almost certainly be much lower. It would focus on hard to come by material, especially gear 100% unavailable if it does not come from existing U.S. military stocks.

    There is no point on attempting to dwell on various highly theoretical, vague, potential non-bills. The Veggie-In-Chief would block any such request, so no one will try to draft anything substantive enough to analyze. There is far too little detail to find a number in a meaningful way. Therefore, it is too speculative to place in a meaningful question.

    A hypothetical number with inadequate detail on what it precisely is for cannot be debated in a constructive way.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-242/#comment-6414342

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works.

    And where did I do that?

    Please quote me. I haven’t even commented on the Texas shooting.

    You are consistently unable to simply quote me and then respond. It’s unreal.

    I was called a Jewish operative repeatedly in the Anglin threads over not supporting Hamas and the Rape n Wilding idiocy. But in the open thread you’ve used your imagination to convince yourself I took a political position on human shields….and in favor of Hamas? Why don’t you explain that for us. You are mentally losing it.

    As to the current bill… Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the “clean” package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.

    Which package are you talking about? Please provide a source.

    Should the America First MAGA position be to sell Israel military hardware that they can afford or should we give it to them for free as MAGA House Republicans are demanding?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?
     
    And where did I do that?
     
    It is a question. You have the opportunity to explicitly allocate. Or, explicitly not allocate.

    It is painfully obvious that you are ducking the question. Why do you refuse to engage? Is it because you support Hamas, but do not want to go on record?


    As to the current bill… Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the “clean” package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.
     
    Should the America First MAGA position be to sell Israel military hardware
     
    The MAGA position is, Knowing that it will not pass. Through what irrational transformation does "no action / not passing" becoming "selling"? You are 100% making things up. You need to stop fabricating false MAGA positions.

    Remember the Yellowface Anon Rule:
        -- If you get tell me what I think.
        -- I get to tell you what you think.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  98. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    Children in Texas and Gaza die when Jihadists use them as defensive works.

    And where did I do that?

    Please quote me. I haven't even commented on the Texas shooting.

    You are consistently unable to simply quote me and then respond. It's unreal.

    I was called a Jewish operative repeatedly in the Anglin threads over not supporting Hamas and the Rape n Wilding idiocy. But in the open thread you've used your imagination to convince yourself I took a political position on human shields....and in favor of Hamas? Why don't you explain that for us. You are mentally losing it.

    As to the current bill… Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the “clean” package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.

    Which package are you talking about? Please provide a source.

    Should the America First MAGA position be to sell Israel military hardware that they can afford or should we give it to them for free as MAGA House Republicans are demanding?

    Replies: @A123

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    And where did I do that?

    It is a question. You have the opportunity to explicitly allocate. Or, explicitly not allocate.

    It is painfully obvious that you are ducking the question. Why do you refuse to engage? Is it because you support Hamas, but do not want to go on record?

    As to the current bill… Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the “clean” package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.

    Should the America First MAGA position be to sell Israel military hardware

    The MAGA position is, Knowing that it will not pass. Through what irrational transformation does “no action / not passing” becoming “selling”? You are 100% making things up. You need to stop fabricating false MAGA positions.

    Remember the Yellowface Anon Rule:
        — If you get tell me what I think.
        — I get to tell you what you think.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    It is painfully obvious that you are ducking the question. Why do you refuse to engage?

    Where is the question? Please state it in a question form like a normal human being.

    Is it because you support Hamas, but do not want to go on record?

    Let's go ahead and look at my record on Hamas comments:

    https://www.unz.com/?s=Hamas&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=John+Johnson

    Would you call these comments indicative of Hamas support:

    I think Hamas is a gang of retards... f-cking stupid. How is Hamas doing these days?

    The Hamas Suburban and Concert Assault Commandos also maintain such fanatical beliefs. How well did that work out for them?

    Hamas launched an incredibly stupid attack and you’re still upset with me for calling it as it is.

    The Hamas attack on October 7th was just plain dumb. They spent years preparing for an attack that that took their worldwide moral reputation to -5000 while giving Israel the green light to clean house.

    Do look through my comments and show us what you think is Hamas support. Find the best comment and show everyone that your insinuation has a basis in reality and is not your imagination at work.

    The MAGA position is, Knowing that it will not pass.

    So you believe the MAGA House Republicans would not actually try to pass $14 billion in aid for Israel if the Republicans had all 3 houses? They just like to pretend that they want cash for Israel? You do realize how batshit crazy that sounds?

    Replies: @A123

  99. @A123
    @John Johnson



    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?
     
    And where did I do that?
     
    It is a question. You have the opportunity to explicitly allocate. Or, explicitly not allocate.

    It is painfully obvious that you are ducking the question. Why do you refuse to engage? Is it because you support Hamas, but do not want to go on record?


    As to the current bill… Knowing that it will not pass, I have not looked at it closely. The House is sending the “clean” package to the Senate to create conflict within the DNC.
     
    Should the America First MAGA position be to sell Israel military hardware
     
    The MAGA position is, Knowing that it will not pass. Through what irrational transformation does "no action / not passing" becoming "selling"? You are 100% making things up. You need to stop fabricating false MAGA positions.

    Remember the Yellowface Anon Rule:
        -- If you get tell me what I think.
        -- I get to tell you what you think.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It is painfully obvious that you are ducking the question. Why do you refuse to engage?

    Where is the question? Please state it in a question form like a normal human being.

    Is it because you support Hamas, but do not want to go on record?

    Let’s go ahead and look at my record on Hamas comments:

    https://www.unz.com/?s=Hamas&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=John+Johnson

    Would you call these comments indicative of Hamas support:

    I think Hamas is a gang of retards… f-cking stupid. How is Hamas doing these days?

    The Hamas Suburban and Concert Assault Commandos also maintain such fanatical beliefs. How well did that work out for them?

    Hamas launched an incredibly stupid attack and you’re still upset with me for calling it as it is.

    The Hamas attack on October 7th was just plain dumb. They spent years preparing for an attack that that took their worldwide moral reputation to -5000 while giving Israel the green light to clean house.

    Do look through my comments and show us what you think is Hamas support. Find the best comment and show everyone that your insinuation has a basis in reality and is not your imagination at work.

    The MAGA position is, Knowing that it will not pass.

    So you believe the MAGA House Republicans would not actually try to pass $14 billion in aid for Israel if the Republicans had all 3 houses? They just like to pretend that they want cash for Israel? You do realize how batshit crazy that sounds?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    It is painfully obvious that you are ducking the question. Why do you refuse to engage?
     
    Where is the question? Please state it in a question form like a normal human being.
     
    As a normal human being, I repeat the normal question for the 3rd time.

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    This is normality in action. Everyone sees your refusal to respond directly on-point as diversionary & persistently abnormal.


    The MAGA position is, Knowing that it will not pass.

     

    So you believe the MAGA House Republicans would not actually try to pass $14 billion in aid for Israel if the Republicans had all 3 houses?
     
    Just how oblivious to politics are you?

    • Indigenous Palestinian Jews did not even ask for a bill.
    • The $14B figure was plucked from mid air by the DNC. It was an attempt to make their $60B for senseless Kiev aggression more palatable. Their ruse failed.
    • The $14B "clean" bill was passed by the House last year. And was declared DOA by Chuck Schumer (1)
    • The Senate atrocity has been declared DOA in the House by Mike Johnson.

    One would have to be batsh!t crazy to miss the fact that neither U.S. side believes it is possible to actually *pass* something. They have been posturing for many months. It is all theatre with an inevitable outcome of ZERO dollars. Everyone (but you) grasps this incredibly obvious fact.

    If indigenous Palestinian Jews actually needed something, I would like to think that Judeo-Christian MAGA would attempt to help. However, Netanyahu has requested very little from America. And, essentially all of that has been within existing supply contracts.

    You really need to stop making things up. You come across as unhinged and detached from reality.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/02/house-passes-standalone-14-3-billion-emergency-aid-package-for-israel/
  100. @Beckow
    @AP


    ..USA conquering Iraq in 5 weeks was quick. Germany taking Poland in 5 weeks or France in 6 weeks were quick.
     
    US war in Iraq lasted 5 to 10 years and they eventually lost it. In Afgan more like 20 years and they still lost. Poles and French? Well, what can one say...they are natural losers, they either rushed to surrender or lined up to be massacred :)...is that what you admire?

    Regarding POWs, Dubai said it...

    Cuba is small, Ukraine and Quebec are big...if you can't tell the difference take some remedial math. US would never allow Russian on its borders with military bases. Why should Russians or Chinese be different?

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate...he lied but most of his voters had no way of knowing that. Zelko is a natural liar, a trained actor. Porky was the pro-West-pro-Nato candidate, in a way a more sympathetic character...but they will both be cursed by the surviving Ukies for generations.

    Nato wanted Ukraine, Russia has blocked it - now for the endless lies and tears. You play the loser screaming "but I am not a loser" quite well...:) But it changes nothing.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    US war in Iraq lasted 5 to 10 years and they eventually lost it

    The entire Iraqi army was destroyed and the country was conquered in 5 weeks. The insurgency that followed lasted for many years.

    In Ukraine, Russia couldn’t even do the first part- it grabbed 8% more of Ukraine in 2022, was kicked out of the capital’s suburbs.

    But yes – the insurgency in Iraq lasted for several years and America withdrew. So follows the pattern of the invader eventually losing if he doesn’t finish it within 2 years.

    Regarding POWs, Dubai said it

    Link? You shouldn’t be taken at your word, and I couldn’t find it in my quick search. I posted the only thing I did find- 3,000 Ukrainian POWs according to Ukraine, real number probably higher.

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate

    The important word in your statement was “more.”

    He was milder than Poroshenko, but also pro-NATO and pro-EU. He said Bandera was cool, but didn’t need so many statues.

    The pro-Russian guy, who didn’t think Bandera was cool, and was opposed to NATO membership, lost and didn’t make it into the 2nd round.

    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    The entire Iraqi army was destroyed and the country was conquered in 5 weeks. The insurgency that followed lasted for many years.

    In Ukraine, Russia couldn’t even do the first part- it grabbed 8% more of Ukraine in 2022, was kicked out of the capital’s suburbs.

    But yes – the insurgency in Iraq lasted for several years and America withdrew. So follows the pattern of the invader eventually losing if he doesn’t finish it within 2 years.
     
    Worth noting that the US only withdrew from Iraq in 2011 after the situation was significantly stabilized there. Al-Qaeda in Iraq was no longer a significant threat by then, and Iraq was relatively calm until 2013-2014, when ISIS emerged there and got the US reengaged in that region.

    The important word in your statement was “more.”

    He was milder than Poroshenko, but also pro-NATO and pro-EU. He said Bandera was cool, but didn’t need so many statues.

    The pro-Russian guy, who didn’t think Bandera was cool, and was opposed to NATO membership, lost and didn’t make it into the 2nd round.

    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.
     
    It's quite interesting that in a two-way round between either Poroshenko or Tymoshenko vs. Boyko, Boyko got 44% when against Tymoshenko and 47% of the vote when against Poroshenko, and this was without Crimea and most of the urban Donbass. Had they purely hypothetically been returned to Ukraine before 2019, Boyko could have actually beaten either one of them, albeit certainly not beaten Zelensky in a one-on-one match with him.
    , @Beckow
    @AP

    No. You talk nonsense because the reality is too painful. US lost the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria - it took years and at the end it was a loss. Raising a flag or making a speech is not a victory and was never considered as such in the past.

    Napoleon raised French flags in Moscow, then lost and watched half a million of his soldiers die. US controlled temporarily Saigon, Kabul, Baghdad. Then run away.


    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.
     
    If during a war - after 2014 it was a war - 70% of people vote for the 'less" militant candidate, it is because they prefer peace and coexistence. The bitter dead-enders voted for Porky - he got 15% in the first round, which is pretty bad for a sitting president during a war.

    Zelko was either corralled in by threats-promises, or he was always a puppet on a mission. Today everyone is angry and scared, so it is no time to ask opinions. The unwillingness of at least half of the Ukies to fight says it all. If you don't put your skin in the game you are really not in it...that applies to you and the merry band of the Ukie-boosters here. You would never fight yourself, it is only a show for you...

    Replies: @AP

  101. Brutal takedown of air launch rockets, assuming the numbers for Virgin Orbit vs. Falcon One are accurate.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    Is a niche idea. A version using ramjet power might be best.

    The Soviet MAKS spaceplane which was conceived to be launched from an An-225 seemed promising.

    Replies: @songbird

  102. @John Johnson
    @A123

    It is painfully obvious that you are ducking the question. Why do you refuse to engage?

    Where is the question? Please state it in a question form like a normal human being.

    Is it because you support Hamas, but do not want to go on record?

    Let's go ahead and look at my record on Hamas comments:

    https://www.unz.com/?s=Hamas&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=John+Johnson

    Would you call these comments indicative of Hamas support:

    I think Hamas is a gang of retards... f-cking stupid. How is Hamas doing these days?

    The Hamas Suburban and Concert Assault Commandos also maintain such fanatical beliefs. How well did that work out for them?

    Hamas launched an incredibly stupid attack and you’re still upset with me for calling it as it is.

    The Hamas attack on October 7th was just plain dumb. They spent years preparing for an attack that that took their worldwide moral reputation to -5000 while giving Israel the green light to clean house.

    Do look through my comments and show us what you think is Hamas support. Find the best comment and show everyone that your insinuation has a basis in reality and is not your imagination at work.

    The MAGA position is, Knowing that it will not pass.

    So you believe the MAGA House Republicans would not actually try to pass $14 billion in aid for Israel if the Republicans had all 3 houses? They just like to pretend that they want cash for Israel? You do realize how batshit crazy that sounds?

    Replies: @A123

    It is painfully obvious that you are ducking the question. Why do you refuse to engage?

    Where is the question? Please state it in a question form like a normal human being.

    As a normal human being, I repeat the normal question for the 3rd time.

    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    This is normality in action. Everyone sees your refusal to respond directly on-point as diversionary & persistently abnormal.

    The MAGA position is, Knowing that it will not pass.

    So you believe the MAGA House Republicans would not actually try to pass $14 billion in aid for Israel if the Republicans had all 3 houses?

    Just how oblivious to politics are you?

    • Indigenous Palestinian Jews did not even ask for a bill.
    • The $14B figure was plucked from mid air by the DNC. It was an attempt to make their $60B for senseless Kiev aggression more palatable. Their ruse failed.
    • The $14B “clean” bill was passed by the House last year. And was declared DOA by Chuck Schumer (1)
    • The Senate atrocity has been declared DOA in the House by Mike Johnson.

    One would have to be batsh!t crazy to miss the fact that neither U.S. side believes it is possible to actually *pass* something. They have been posturing for many months. It is all theatre with an inevitable outcome of ZERO dollars. Everyone (but you) grasps this incredibly obvious fact.

    If indigenous Palestinian Jews actually needed something, I would like to think that Judeo-Christian MAGA would attempt to help. However, Netanyahu has requested very little from America. And, essentially all of that has been within existing supply contracts.

    You really need to stop making things up. You come across as unhinged and detached from reality.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/02/house-passes-standalone-14-3-billion-emergency-aid-package-for-israel/

  103. Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    What in the hell are you talking about?

    Where did I even discuss human shields? Which thread and post?

    The $14B “clean” bill was passed by the House last year. And was declared DOA by Chuck Schumer

    You mean the bill that MAGA House Republicans tried to pass only contained aid for Israel.

    It was entirely focused on Israel as that was clearly their priority.

    They have been posturing for many months. It is all theatre with an inevitable outcome of ZERO dollars.

    So you are saying they had no intention of passing the bill and thus wasted time and money? You are saying their main efforts in the last few months were entirely for show?

    Were the House Republicans putting America first by putting so much time into a bill that you believe was entirely for theater?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    They have been posturing for many months. It is all theatre with an inevitable outcome of ZERO dollars.
     
    So you are saying they had no intention of passing the bill and thus wasted time and money?
     
    The House did pass the bill. Thus, it is self evident that their intent was to pass it to the Senate.

    You are saying their main efforts in the last few months were entirely for show? Were the House Republicans putting America first by putting so much time into a bill that you believe was entirely for theater?
     
    Hundreds of things happen in parallel. Your use of the phrase "main effort" obviously belies a fundamental lack of understanding. It was at most a "minor effort", which successfully created problems for Senate Democrats.

    Anti-MAGA McConnell is attempting to bail out his DNC co-conspirators with the recent package. That effort is a 100% failure as it is DOA on arrival in the House.

    Long-term, getting rid of RINO Senators is important. Alas IIRC, McConnell and Cornyn are not up until 2026. Lindsey Graham 2028.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
  104. Anyone else get repressed homosexual vibe from the MAGA Speaker?

    A123 believes this was all for show along with all of his interviews where he claims that Israel needs US funds.

    Why are so many Israel First MAGA Evangelicals such nancy boys? The guy is wearing blush.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Well, Mike Johnson actually has a covenant marriage with his wife (seriously; go look it up!) and advocated criminalizing sodomy as late as 2003, so Yes, he definitely is quite a character.

    Interestingly enough, Russia could use more people like him. He would fit in perfectly over there.

  105. @songbird
    Brutal takedown of air launch rockets, assuming the numbers for Virgin Orbit vs. Falcon One are accurate.
    https://youtu.be/AAt9WDQEMoA?si=Mn2eI6FZV12nyhQT

    Replies: @QCIC

    Is a niche idea. A version using ramjet power might be best.

    The Soviet MAKS spaceplane which was conceived to be launched from an An-225 seemed promising.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC


    The Soviet MAKS spaceplane which was conceived to be launched from an An-225 seemed promising.
     
    Interesting. Never heard of it. But it is kind of hard for me to believe it would have worked well, due to various problems such as boil off.

    Stratolaunch also had a spaceplane concept, but it kind of seems like they have abandoned space development and are only doing hypersonic missile tests. Though who knows for sure? Kind of strangely, they apparently bought Virgin Orbit's 747, when they went bankrupt. (Maybe to test hypersonic missiles?)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratolaunch_Systems

    Replies: @QCIC

  106. @John Johnson
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Why is Russia hiring Nepalis mercenaries if they have plenty of men?

    For the same reason Brazil fought in WWII, thus engaging South America – so it can be called “world war” and thus apocalyptic prophecies about people & tongues fighting be fulfilled. After all, Chabad-Lubavitch runs Putin and his clique of oligarchs like Roman Abramovich.

    Unlikely.

    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.

    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.

    Ukraine has (or had) multinational mercenaries fighting too.

    Yes and they're also the underdog with 30% the population size of Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.

    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia’s two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).

    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.

    Do these mercenaries get Russian citizenship if they survive?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia’s two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).
     
    Correct.

    This implies certain potential limits for Russia - it might not be able bring all of its 140 million people to bear in this war. Relying on losers such as convicts, desperately poor volunteers from the provinces, and national minorities has enabled Russia to conduct this war for 2 years with no real unrest. How much longer until these people start to run out, and Russia will start mobilising normal middle class people to get their guts blown out in some fields in southern Ukraine while Chechen blocking units stand guard behind them? One more year? Six months? Two years? The supply of convicts and people from small towns is not limitless. It will start in the large but important provincial cities like Novosibirsk or Yekaterinburg before reaching Moscow.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.
     
    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia’s two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).

    Interestingly the British did the exact opposite in WW1. Sons of the upper class and military families were gunned down first. They all eagerly went to the front to get their glory and out of a sense of duty.

    British support for the war of course remained but it was probably the most dysgenic period in European history. Their best warriors were gunned down and then well after British finally adapted to the machine gun they started sending in conscripts.


    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.
     
    Do these mercenaries get Russian citizenship if they survive?

    Probably since it is so unlikely that they will survive the war. They're short on labor in some areas so any survivors probably will get citizenship.

    Putin is playing the same game with all of them. The dump conscripts or mercs in the field and then report them as MIA. No payments to the families on the basis of not knowing what happened. They leave the families in limbo when both sides that they were killed. An incredibly dirty practice. Even the Romans paid their mercenaries.

    There is no medivac for them and they won't get paid if they are captured. I think they are mainly used as bait for the artillery. They drop them in remote pockets and then Ukrainians either hunt them down with drones or bring in a squad.

    What Ukraine should do is offer bounties for them to flip.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  107. @John Johnson
    Anyone else get repressed homosexual vibe from the MAGA Speaker?

    A123 believes this was all for show along with all of his interviews where he claims that Israel needs US funds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubkf7yhQt0M

    Why are so many Israel First MAGA Evangelicals such nancy boys? The guy is wearing blush.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Well, Mike Johnson actually has a covenant marriage with his wife (seriously; go look it up!) and advocated criminalizing sodomy as late as 2003, so Yes, he definitely is quite a character.

    Interestingly enough, Russia could use more people like him. He would fit in perfectly over there.

  108. @AP
    @Beckow


    US war in Iraq lasted 5 to 10 years and they eventually lost it
     
    The entire Iraqi army was destroyed and the country was conquered in 5 weeks. The insurgency that followed lasted for many years.

    In Ukraine, Russia couldn’t even do the first part- it grabbed 8% more of Ukraine in 2022, was kicked out of the capital’s suburbs.

    But yes - the insurgency in Iraq lasted for several years and America withdrew. So follows the pattern of the invader eventually losing if he doesn’t finish it within 2 years.


    Regarding POWs, Dubai said it
     
    Link? You shouldn’t be taken at your word, and I couldn’t find it in my quick search. I posted the only thing I did find- 3,000 Ukrainian POWs according to Ukraine, real number probably higher.

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate
     
    The important word in your statement was “more.”

    He was milder than Poroshenko, but also pro-NATO and pro-EU. He said Bandera was cool, but didn’t need so many statues.

    The pro-Russian guy, who didn’t think Bandera was cool, and was opposed to NATO membership, lost and didn’t make it into the 2nd round.

    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    The entire Iraqi army was destroyed and the country was conquered in 5 weeks. The insurgency that followed lasted for many years.

    In Ukraine, Russia couldn’t even do the first part- it grabbed 8% more of Ukraine in 2022, was kicked out of the capital’s suburbs.

    But yes – the insurgency in Iraq lasted for several years and America withdrew. So follows the pattern of the invader eventually losing if he doesn’t finish it within 2 years.

    Worth noting that the US only withdrew from Iraq in 2011 after the situation was significantly stabilized there. Al-Qaeda in Iraq was no longer a significant threat by then, and Iraq was relatively calm until 2013-2014, when ISIS emerged there and got the US reengaged in that region.

    The important word in your statement was “more.”

    He was milder than Poroshenko, but also pro-NATO and pro-EU. He said Bandera was cool, but didn’t need so many statues.

    The pro-Russian guy, who didn’t think Bandera was cool, and was opposed to NATO membership, lost and didn’t make it into the 2nd round.

    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.

    It’s quite interesting that in a two-way round between either Poroshenko or Tymoshenko vs. Boyko, Boyko got 44% when against Tymoshenko and 47% of the vote when against Poroshenko, and this was without Crimea and most of the urban Donbass. Had they purely hypothetically been returned to Ukraine before 2019, Boyko could have actually beaten either one of them, albeit certainly not beaten Zelensky in a one-on-one match with him.

  109. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Once the SMO combat wraps up Russia will need a large ‘peacekeeping force’ to establish and maintain order in Ukraine.

    So you actually believe Russia will take all of Ukraine? Why is Russia building all of these defensive lines in Eastern Ukraine?

    Outsiders are often used for this sort of contentious role.

    Putin is putting these mercenaries on the frontline. That isn't speculation. They lie to the men and tell them they won't be in combat. Then plans change once they are in Ukraine. Same game they play against the conscripts. No worries you'll be behind the front......whoops I guess not and there are Chechens that will shoot if you try to escape.

    What a country. World is impressed. Putin scams both conscripts and foreigners.

    Predictably Russia is weathering the pressure and appears to be gaining strength.

    Fans of Putin have been telling us that Russia has been gaining strength since one month after their failed attempt at taking Kiev. Ritter predicted that Russia was near victory for over a year on a monthly basis.

    PS: Can we call these new troops Girkin’s Gurkhas?

    Probably not since Girkin is in prison and has decided that Putin is clueless on military tactics and should be removed. Girkin is still pro-war but wants Putin and his generals out.

    But it has a nice ring. I'll give you that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    I think Russia does not want to take the western half of Ukraine. On the other hand she doesn’t want an even bigger war with NATO in that region two years from now. I still believe Russia is intentionally slowly grinding down the Ukrainian forces and probably working the Ukrainian political angle behind the scenes.

    Russia’s build-up is very gradual. This appear odd from a Western perspective which expects rapid change, but the build up seems to be occurring nonetheless. At the low end this includes more smart weapons, more tanks, etc. while the production of big ticket items like submarines continues. A lot of this equipment is refurbished which suggests Russia is only in a position to build up gradually. This process may be slowly accelerating as gaps in the military supply chain are filled. Alternatively it could be a zero sum game where new gaps continually open up due to sanctions as old gaps are addressed.

    I still believe Russia is preserving substantial forces to be ready for other Western military pressure outside of Ukraine. The slow grinding combat in Ukraine allows Russia to conserve these forces. I am starting to wonder if Russia is willing to keep fighting in Ukraine at this low level indefinitely until Ukraine simply gets tired of it.

    I don’t know why Russia is constructing extended defensive lines, here are some guesses: 1) a show of long-term commitment to the Ukrainians, 2) expectation of increased NATO (Polish) involvement on the ground, 3) trap AFU between these lines and the river or 4) reduce the influx of Ukrainian combat teams into Russia (completely pacify and secure everything to the East of these lines)? The Russian military is still avoiding heavy bombing of the largest Ukrainian cities. To me this suggests they are following their own timetable.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    Russia’s build-up is very gradual....Russia is willing to keep fighting in Ukraine at this low level indefinitely until Ukraine simply gets tired of it.
     
    What happens then? Fighting a war has its own dynamic: people go on an auto-pilot, process takes over, polarization deepens. They are always tired, so getting more tired won't make much difference. Ukraine is still a very large place with maybe 25 million people...it could take a long time.

    Russia wants a chunk of Ukraine (the Russian-leaning areas) and absolute security for Crimea. For the rest rump-Ukieland to be neutral and non-threatening. And not too destroyed because that would cause huge issues for both Europe and Russia. They probably also want to pour icy cold water on the budding Polish-Baltic revanchism and the Euro anti-Russian militancy. For Germany to experience a bout of economic suffering to learn a lesson.

    They want all of that at a low cost and by keeping the possibility of the eventual reconciliation with at least parts of the West open. That's not easy, they are calibrating each step. I don't think it will work that way, the future always surprises, but it will be along those lines.

    None of this was necessary. At the end there will be a few hundred thousand dead and a deep hatred for the people who caused it - I am pretty sure the idiot Nato-expansion planners and Zelko&Co. will be at the top of that list...but they will be munching on fajitas somewhere in Florida...

    And Putin? I suspect he will say he is sorry for the losses but that it had to be done.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @QCIC

  110. @QCIC
    @songbird

    Is a niche idea. A version using ramjet power might be best.

    The Soviet MAKS spaceplane which was conceived to be launched from an An-225 seemed promising.

    Replies: @songbird

    The Soviet MAKS spaceplane which was conceived to be launched from an An-225 seemed promising.

    Interesting. Never heard of it. But it is kind of hard for me to believe it would have worked well, due to various problems such as boil off.

    Stratolaunch also had a spaceplane concept, but it kind of seems like they have abandoned space development and are only doing hypersonic missile tests. Though who knows for sure? Kind of strangely, they apparently bought Virgin Orbit’s 747, when they went bankrupt. (Maybe to test hypersonic missiles?)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratolaunch_Systems

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    I think the two-part spaceplane will be good for sending people back and forth to space at will. The large reusable vertical launcher is the way to go for most cargo.

    MAKS was based on an unusual very high performance engine named the RD-701.

  111. @John Johnson
    Why do you refuse to allocate responsibility to those who use human shields?

    What in the hell are you talking about?

    Where did I even discuss human shields? Which thread and post?

    The $14B “clean” bill was passed by the House last year. And was declared DOA by Chuck Schumer

    You mean the bill that MAGA House Republicans tried to pass only contained aid for Israel.

    It was entirely focused on Israel as that was clearly their priority.

    They have been posturing for many months. It is all theatre with an inevitable outcome of ZERO dollars.

    So you are saying they had no intention of passing the bill and thus wasted time and money? You are saying their main efforts in the last few months were entirely for show?

    Were the House Republicans putting America first by putting so much time into a bill that you believe was entirely for theater?

    Replies: @A123

    They have been posturing for many months. It is all theatre with an inevitable outcome of ZERO dollars.

    So you are saying they had no intention of passing the bill and thus wasted time and money?

    The House did pass the bill. Thus, it is self evident that their intent was to pass it to the Senate.

    You are saying their main efforts in the last few months were entirely for show? Were the House Republicans putting America first by putting so much time into a bill that you believe was entirely for theater?

    Hundreds of things happen in parallel. Your use of the phrase “main effort” obviously belies a fundamental lack of understanding. It was at most a “minor effort”, which successfully created problems for Senate Democrats.

    Anti-MAGA McConnell is attempting to bail out his DNC co-conspirators with the recent package. That effort is a 100% failure as it is DOA on arrival in the House.

    Long-term, getting rid of RINO Senators is important. Alas IIRC, McConnell and Cornyn are not up until 2026. Lindsey Graham 2028.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  112. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I think Russia does not want to take the western half of Ukraine. On the other hand she doesn't want an even bigger war with NATO in that region two years from now. I still believe Russia is intentionally slowly grinding down the Ukrainian forces and probably working the Ukrainian political angle behind the scenes.

    Russia's build-up is very gradual. This appear odd from a Western perspective which expects rapid change, but the build up seems to be occurring nonetheless. At the low end this includes more smart weapons, more tanks, etc. while the production of big ticket items like submarines continues. A lot of this equipment is refurbished which suggests Russia is only in a position to build up gradually. This process may be slowly accelerating as gaps in the military supply chain are filled. Alternatively it could be a zero sum game where new gaps continually open up due to sanctions as old gaps are addressed.

    I still believe Russia is preserving substantial forces to be ready for other Western military pressure outside of Ukraine. The slow grinding combat in Ukraine allows Russia to conserve these forces. I am starting to wonder if Russia is willing to keep fighting in Ukraine at this low level indefinitely until Ukraine simply gets tired of it.

    I don't know why Russia is constructing extended defensive lines, here are some guesses: 1) a show of long-term commitment to the Ukrainians, 2) expectation of increased NATO (Polish) involvement on the ground, 3) trap AFU between these lines and the river or 4) reduce the influx of Ukrainian combat teams into Russia (completely pacify and secure everything to the East of these lines)? The Russian military is still avoiding heavy bombing of the largest Ukrainian cities. To me this suggests they are following their own timetable.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Russia’s build-up is very gradual….Russia is willing to keep fighting in Ukraine at this low level indefinitely until Ukraine simply gets tired of it.

    What happens then? Fighting a war has its own dynamic: people go on an auto-pilot, process takes over, polarization deepens. They are always tired, so getting more tired won’t make much difference. Ukraine is still a very large place with maybe 25 million people…it could take a long time.

    Russia wants a chunk of Ukraine (the Russian-leaning areas) and absolute security for Crimea. For the rest rump-Ukieland to be neutral and non-threatening. And not too destroyed because that would cause huge issues for both Europe and Russia. They probably also want to pour icy cold water on the budding Polish-Baltic revanchism and the Euro anti-Russian militancy. For Germany to experience a bout of economic suffering to learn a lesson.

    They want all of that at a low cost and by keeping the possibility of the eventual reconciliation with at least parts of the West open. That’s not easy, they are calibrating each step. I don’t think it will work that way, the future always surprises, but it will be along those lines.

    None of this was necessary. At the end there will be a few hundred thousand dead and a deep hatred for the people who caused it – I am pretty sure the idiot Nato-expansion planners and Zelko&Co. will be at the top of that list…but they will be munching on fajitas somewhere in Florida…

    And Putin? I suspect he will say he is sorry for the losses but that it had to be done.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    Already seeing unrest, even in Western Ukraine. Clear that personnel and munition shortages are really starting to hamper the combat capability of the Ukrainian military, you hear of a new advance everyday. Important to remember that it still suits the Russians to fight here rather than deeper inside Ukraine.

    The hatred will be directed at the current leadership of Ukraine and the neocons in DC. It is clear the West is in turmoil at the moment, if the current lot are replaced mending relations is easy enough, if they continue on, then I am not sure it is particularly worth it building relations, there will be no value there.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @QCIC
    @Beckow

    If we imagine a line from Kiev to Odessa, how many people live in Ukraine to the West of this line (not including people in these two cities)?

    I suppose the population in this area may have actually increased as people fled from the Eastern part of Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

  113. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    That’s the problem – Ukrainianism is a Austrian and Polish created ideology.
     
    And unionism of Russia and Ukraine was a German-created one, apparently.

    EVERY Ukrop “election” has been a deceit of ukrops thinking they were voting for the most pro-Russian, least anti-Russian candidate
     
    The pro-Russian candidate Yuriy Boyko got 12% of the vote in the last presidential election. Another pro-Russian candidate Vilkul got 4%. They didn't make it to the second round, which ended up being between two pro-Western, pro-NATO candidates: more extreme Poroshenko and more moderate Zelensky.

    These were the results:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2019_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8_%28%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%29.svg/1024px-%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_2019_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8_%28%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%29.svg.png

    I posted on the previous thread the hugely embarrassing statistic for Ukronazis……that in 1934 Lvov census of over 1.5 million people – it struggles to get past 50/50 of those calling themselves Ukrainians compared to those calling themselves Russian
     
    The census was 1931, not 1934.

    You deliberately mistranslate Ruthenian/Rusyn as Russian.

    The Polish census had both Rusyn and Russian as separate categories. Rusyn was the old word that western Ukrainians used of themselves (some of them still call themselves Rusyns). It is not the same as Russian. Don't lie.

    The Polish census listed people by language and religion. The Polish census documents are in both Polish and French. Ukrainians were Greek Catholics.

    On the Polish census:

    Ruski in Polish was translated as le ruthene (Ruthenian)

    Rosyjske in Polish was translated as le russe (Russian)

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian (an additional 200 Russians in the province were Orthodox Christians)

    Here is the census document, it is very clear:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    The Polish government sought to officially minimize the number of Ukrainians, so if someone did not insist that they were Ukrainian-speakers they were simply listed as "Ruthenian." There were also people, mostly in the western part of the province, that really did in principal consider themselves to be members of the Rusyn nation. Thus the Ruthenian speakers on the census belonged to either of these two categories.

    Actual Russians were listed as - Russian.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    Based on the map above, it looks like the areas that voted for Kravchuk in 1991 voted for Zelensky in 2019 while the areas that voted for Chornovil voted for either Poroshenko or Tymoshenko in 2019. The latter areas are the hardcore Ukrainian nationalist areas while the former areas are the Ukrainian normie areas.

  114. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Once the SMO combat wraps up Russia will need a large ‘peacekeeping force’ to establish and maintain order in Ukraine.

    So you actually believe Russia will take all of Ukraine? Why is Russia building all of these defensive lines in Eastern Ukraine?

    Outsiders are often used for this sort of contentious role.

    Putin is putting these mercenaries on the frontline. That isn't speculation. They lie to the men and tell them they won't be in combat. Then plans change once they are in Ukraine. Same game they play against the conscripts. No worries you'll be behind the front......whoops I guess not and there are Chechens that will shoot if you try to escape.

    What a country. World is impressed. Putin scams both conscripts and foreigners.

    Predictably Russia is weathering the pressure and appears to be gaining strength.

    Fans of Putin have been telling us that Russia has been gaining strength since one month after their failed attempt at taking Kiev. Ritter predicted that Russia was near victory for over a year on a monthly basis.

    PS: Can we call these new troops Girkin’s Gurkhas?

    Probably not since Girkin is in prison and has decided that Putin is clueless on military tactics and should be removed. Girkin is still pro-war but wants Putin and his generals out.

    But it has a nice ring. I'll give you that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    Russia has been gaining strength since one month after their failed attempt at taking Kiev.

    “fail attempt at taking Kiev”…you keep repeating this nonsense many times. Listen to Putin interview, I think he gave answer to that specific issue.

  115. With such tempo UA might start sinking RF warships for every lost street in Avdeevka;)

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death


    The death of heavy, clumsy steel vessels is a natural course of the new revolution in military affairs, unfolding before our eyes. By and large, the Black Sea Fleet has been turned by this unmanned revolution into a set of suicidal tin cans, stuffed to capacity with people and budgets. Without satellite reconnaissance and the ability to strike the western coast of Ukraine under the guarantee of the Black Sea grain corridor, the launch of naval drones from the Ukrainian Black Sea region is an endless routine that has already driven the Black Sea Fleet to Novorossiysk, and with the increase in the range of drones, it will completely deprive Russia of the possibility of safe navigation when about “ grain corridor” will be asked by Moscow itself.

    Meanwhile, the Kremlin continues to strangely and naively hope for the preservation of territories in the Black Sea region (and demand the same from “Kyiv and Washington”), while controlling this very Black Sea region itself less and less. Why would that side agree to this? In some completely phantasmagoric reality, in the future, “the Western allies of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” after catching out all the Black Sea Fleet, will find it easier to land troops in the rear of the “land bridge” than to go straight through the minefields in the north.
     
    https://t.me/intuition2036/13045
  116. Farmers flying kites to down drones

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  117. @sudden death
    With such tempo UA might start sinking RF warships for every lost street in Avdeevka;)

    Replies: @sudden death

    The death of heavy, clumsy steel vessels is a natural course of the new revolution in military affairs, unfolding before our eyes. By and large, the Black Sea Fleet has been turned by this unmanned revolution into a set of suicidal tin cans, stuffed to capacity with people and budgets. Without satellite reconnaissance and the ability to strike the western coast of Ukraine under the guarantee of the Black Sea grain corridor, the launch of naval drones from the Ukrainian Black Sea region is an endless routine that has already driven the Black Sea Fleet to Novorossiysk, and with the increase in the range of drones, it will completely deprive Russia of the possibility of safe navigation when about “ grain corridor” will be asked by Moscow itself.

    Meanwhile, the Kremlin continues to strangely and naively hope for the preservation of territories in the Black Sea region (and demand the same from “Kyiv and Washington”), while controlling this very Black Sea region itself less and less. Why would that side agree to this? In some completely phantasmagoric reality, in the future, “the Western allies of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” after catching out all the Black Sea Fleet, will find it easier to land troops in the rear of the “land bridge” than to go straight through the minefields in the north.

    https://t.me/intuition2036/13045

  118. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    Russia’s build-up is very gradual....Russia is willing to keep fighting in Ukraine at this low level indefinitely until Ukraine simply gets tired of it.
     
    What happens then? Fighting a war has its own dynamic: people go on an auto-pilot, process takes over, polarization deepens. They are always tired, so getting more tired won't make much difference. Ukraine is still a very large place with maybe 25 million people...it could take a long time.

    Russia wants a chunk of Ukraine (the Russian-leaning areas) and absolute security for Crimea. For the rest rump-Ukieland to be neutral and non-threatening. And not too destroyed because that would cause huge issues for both Europe and Russia. They probably also want to pour icy cold water on the budding Polish-Baltic revanchism and the Euro anti-Russian militancy. For Germany to experience a bout of economic suffering to learn a lesson.

    They want all of that at a low cost and by keeping the possibility of the eventual reconciliation with at least parts of the West open. That's not easy, they are calibrating each step. I don't think it will work that way, the future always surprises, but it will be along those lines.

    None of this was necessary. At the end there will be a few hundred thousand dead and a deep hatred for the people who caused it - I am pretty sure the idiot Nato-expansion planners and Zelko&Co. will be at the top of that list...but they will be munching on fajitas somewhere in Florida...

    And Putin? I suspect he will say he is sorry for the losses but that it had to be done.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @QCIC

    Already seeing unrest, even in Western Ukraine. Clear that personnel and munition shortages are really starting to hamper the combat capability of the Ukrainian military, you hear of a new advance everyday. Important to remember that it still suits the Russians to fight here rather than deeper inside Ukraine.

    The hatred will be directed at the current leadership of Ukraine and the neocons in DC. It is clear the West is in turmoil at the moment, if the current lot are replaced mending relations is easy enough, if they continue on, then I am not sure it is particularly worth it building relations, there will be no value there.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LondonBob


    ...if the current lot are replaced mending relations is easy enough
     
    I am not so sure. There is a dramatic collapse in trust between Russia and the West. It will take a generation to get it back. When Putin says wearily "we are done doing favors to the West, they never reciprocate..." or US-UK-German-Polish politicians scream to "kill more Russians!!"...it is obviously broken.

    Remember that Putin is a moderate, the deeper forces in Russia are saying Germany was treated too leniently after WW2 and it was a mistake. And we all see the mad neo-cons running the West to the ground - they will never stop the wars and the population is visibly unable (or unwilling) to reign them in.

    I don't think this is good. Maybe we will get lucky and there is a soft landing.

  119. Azov 3rd Brigade got wiped out yesterday, shame.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Comprised of mostly Russian speakers from Eastern Ukraine, created during the "halcyon" of Russian aggression within Ukraine. Many families that live on both sides of the Russian/Ukrainian border will remain severely divided because of Putler's wild ambitions for a long, long time, until all ties have finally completely vanished. Sorry Mickey, Putler is destroying one of your main thesis. :-( .

  120. Am I really going to have to sign up to an X account to read it, irritating?

  121. @LondonBob
    Azov 3rd Brigade got wiped out yesterday, shame.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Comprised of mostly Russian speakers from Eastern Ukraine, created during the “halcyon” of Russian aggression within Ukraine. Many families that live on both sides of the Russian/Ukrainian border will remain severely divided because of Putler’s wild ambitions for a long, long time, until all ties have finally completely vanished. Sorry Mickey, Putler is destroying one of your main thesis. 🙁 .

  122. Understand that a lot of the newest phones ship with some easily activated method to call to 911. Like pushing the power button three times, or a 911 button on the lockscreen.

    Wonder if it could be related to the murder spike after George Floyd and who lobbied for it. But it seems really dumb to me, as the number of accidental activations must be astronomical.

    I looked at someone’s phone the other day, and you could turn off the power button activation but there was no way to 100% remove the screen button, unless perhaps with an ap – at least it would appear when you held the power button, when the phone was on.

  123. @Sher Singh
    Three Types of Miracles [thread]

    When Guru Gobind Singh arrived in Agra, he was aggressively questioned by a strict Muslim Sayyid if he possessed any abilities to perform miracles - to which the Guru playfully described 3 types of miracles...



    https://twitter.com/jvalaaa/status/1315379827759697921

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Are there any incidents of nuclear war or nuclear weapons used in ancient India?

    https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-incidents-of-nuclear-war-or-nuclear-weapons-used-in-ancient-India

    Vimāna are mythological flying palaces or chariots described in Hindu texts and Sanskrit epics

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimana

    Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

    Oppenheimer was diagnosed with throat cancer in late 1965. After inconclusive surgery, he underwent unsuccessful radiation treatment and chemotherapy late in 1966. On February 18, 1967, he died in his sleep at his home in Princeton, aged 62 years.

    1 Bitcoin is $51,958.18

    https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

  124. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.

     

    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia's two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).

    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.

     

    Do these mercenaries get Russian citizenship if they survive?

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia’s two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).

    Correct.

    This implies certain potential limits for Russia – it might not be able bring all of its 140 million people to bear in this war. Relying on losers such as convicts, desperately poor volunteers from the provinces, and national minorities has enabled Russia to conduct this war for 2 years with no real unrest. How much longer until these people start to run out, and Russia will start mobilising normal middle class people to get their guts blown out in some fields in southern Ukraine while Chechen blocking units stand guard behind them? One more year? Six months? Two years? The supply of convicts and people from small towns is not limitless. It will start in the large but important provincial cities like Novosibirsk or Yekaterinburg before reaching Moscow.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Agreed with your analysis here, AP, and this is a problem with Russia's most patriotic areas being provincial ones, specifically rural areas and small towns. In contrast, a lot of Ukraine's patriots hail from large cities such as Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Vinnytsia, Zhytomyr, Sumy, Chernihiv, Poltava, et cetera. Thus, one can say that Ukraine has been more successful at inducing mass patriotism (certainly mass nationalism) in its large cities relative to Russia. Maybe it's in part because Ukrainian nationalism is more of an "oppressed people nationalism" than Russian nationalism (which is more of an "oppressor nationalism") is, which in turn appeals more to the rootless cosmopolitans who live in cities.

    As a side note, one wonders if Russia could and would have avoided one or both of its 1917 revolutions had it succeeded in shielding both Moscow and St. Petersburg from the worst effects of World War I, and of course also aggressively stationed both of them with loyal troops as opposed to sending all of its loyal troops to the front.

    Replies: @Sean

  125. @songbird
    @QCIC


    The Soviet MAKS spaceplane which was conceived to be launched from an An-225 seemed promising.
     
    Interesting. Never heard of it. But it is kind of hard for me to believe it would have worked well, due to various problems such as boil off.

    Stratolaunch also had a spaceplane concept, but it kind of seems like they have abandoned space development and are only doing hypersonic missile tests. Though who knows for sure? Kind of strangely, they apparently bought Virgin Orbit's 747, when they went bankrupt. (Maybe to test hypersonic missiles?)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratolaunch_Systems

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think the two-part spaceplane will be good for sending people back and forth to space at will. The large reusable vertical launcher is the way to go for most cargo.

    MAKS was based on an unusual very high performance engine named the RD-701.

  126. Do Communists have better sex?

  127. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    Russia’s build-up is very gradual....Russia is willing to keep fighting in Ukraine at this low level indefinitely until Ukraine simply gets tired of it.
     
    What happens then? Fighting a war has its own dynamic: people go on an auto-pilot, process takes over, polarization deepens. They are always tired, so getting more tired won't make much difference. Ukraine is still a very large place with maybe 25 million people...it could take a long time.

    Russia wants a chunk of Ukraine (the Russian-leaning areas) and absolute security for Crimea. For the rest rump-Ukieland to be neutral and non-threatening. And not too destroyed because that would cause huge issues for both Europe and Russia. They probably also want to pour icy cold water on the budding Polish-Baltic revanchism and the Euro anti-Russian militancy. For Germany to experience a bout of economic suffering to learn a lesson.

    They want all of that at a low cost and by keeping the possibility of the eventual reconciliation with at least parts of the West open. That's not easy, they are calibrating each step. I don't think it will work that way, the future always surprises, but it will be along those lines.

    None of this was necessary. At the end there will be a few hundred thousand dead and a deep hatred for the people who caused it - I am pretty sure the idiot Nato-expansion planners and Zelko&Co. will be at the top of that list...but they will be munching on fajitas somewhere in Florida...

    And Putin? I suspect he will say he is sorry for the losses but that it had to be done.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @QCIC

    If we imagine a line from Kiev to Odessa, how many people live in Ukraine to the West of this line (not including people in these two cities)?

    I suppose the population in this area may have actually increased as people fled from the Eastern part of Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC

    The lines are easy to draw. But who manages the people behind the lines? 15-20 million rump-Ukieland based around Lvov-Kiev is a huge security issue - not only for Russia.

    We are observing the slow 'denazification' by suffering. The idea is it will eventually burn out and people move on. But the "denazification" is subjective and overlaps with the Ukie nationalism and folklore. It is also layered with the 'Euro'-loving mania that is often racial - an escape from who they are into a dream-land.

    It will not be clean, this is the beginning. Just how stupid were the commies to first grab the Galicians into Ukraine and then fail to solve it after 1945? Including the idiotic 'brotherly' way they treated the Germans. I guess we have learned that blood is thicker than 'proletariat'. Again.

    Replies: @QCIC

  128. American musician gives an interview to eurojournal:

    …especially in America, man, you don’t have a quiet minute anymore. Impact … The impact is different in America. This is a very troubled country anyway. I don’t know what’s going to happen there in the next twelve months. But if my intuition is not deceiving me, if my ideas are only half reality, then there will be an explosion. America is facing a huge uprising. […] a very violent uprising, carried out with baseball bat and firearms, cannons of all kinds. […] I have visited every state in America for the past two years and have always had this mild feeling in my stomach that the soup is starting to boil over. People are fed up with all the shit in the United States. They’ll grab baseball bats and cannons and start something that will make huge waves all over the country.

    What is typical America? If you have enough money, you go to a shop and buy a machine gun. Then you simply shoot all your problems away. If you have this mentality, you can do it easily, and many in the USA have this mentality: I’m buying a UZI now, so let’s see if I and the idiots can not settle our differences. As we sit and talk here, probably someone in America is trying to resolve a conflict this way. It’s crazy, but it’s true.

    I live in America (laughs). In a damn pessimistic country. It may look optimistic when you are politically active and have the illusory world of God’s own country in front of your eyes, but the street is the reality and it gives you anything but an optimistic feeling.

    I mean, you told me yourself how you were robbed 50 yards from your New York hotel. That is everyday life. I was in New York for two days, got smashed [?] and was robbed too. The boys pocketed ten dollars because luckily I had left my other stuff in the hotel. One guy had a gun in his hand and threatened me. He didn’t want to shoot me, he just wanted my flaps. So I gave it to him, said take the ten dollars, fucker, that’s all I have with me!

    What should I do? You have a choice between your life and ten dollars and that is not worth the fun. If you play the hero, the wanker bangs you over the head and takes the ten bucks, possibly also your jacket, your boots, your passport and if he is in a bad mood, he will even cut your ass. Then you really have nothing left!

    America is a violent country. God knows why. I live in this country and all I see is violence. That bothers me. I am 27 years old and I want to have some of what I have achieved. I am not demanding. I just want to live a peaceful life.

  129. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    If we imagine a line from Kiev to Odessa, how many people live in Ukraine to the West of this line (not including people in these two cities)?

    I suppose the population in this area may have actually increased as people fled from the Eastern part of Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    The lines are easy to draw. But who manages the people behind the lines? 15-20 million rump-Ukieland based around Lvov-Kiev is a huge security issue – not only for Russia.

    We are observing the slow ‘denazification’ by suffering. The idea is it will eventually burn out and people move on. But the “denazification” is subjective and overlaps with the Ukie nationalism and folklore. It is also layered with the ‘Euro’-loving mania that is often racial – an escape from who they are into a dream-land.

    It will not be clean, this is the beginning. Just how stupid were the commies to first grab the Galicians into Ukraine and then fail to solve it after 1945? Including the idiotic ‘brotherly’ way they treated the Germans. I guess we have learned that blood is thicker than ‘proletariat’. Again.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    The notion of Russia fighting indefinitely in Ukraine reminds me of the fable of the prisoner trying to teach the horse to sing. In my view, the king is the West, the horse is Ukraine and the prisoner is Russia.

    The possible outcomes are:

    - The king might die, meaning the West drops the anti-Russia project, at least in Ukraine.

    - The horse might die, meaning Ukraine collapses in a way that is favorable to Russia.

    - The prisoner might die, meaning Russia collapses.

    - The horse sings, meaning sentiment evolves, allowing the Ukrainian people to voluntarily accept a role as part of a Russian-speaking block.

    So Russia is committed to fight for an indefinite time while trying to get the horse to sing, though indefinitely doesn't mean the fighting goes on forever. I mean there is not a specific combat goal or end point. The goal of the war is political and the military results required to achieve victory are not clear. So Russia may keep fighting until some acceptable end point becomes defined.

    Replies: @Beckow

  130. @AP
    @Beckow


    US war in Iraq lasted 5 to 10 years and they eventually lost it
     
    The entire Iraqi army was destroyed and the country was conquered in 5 weeks. The insurgency that followed lasted for many years.

    In Ukraine, Russia couldn’t even do the first part- it grabbed 8% more of Ukraine in 2022, was kicked out of the capital’s suburbs.

    But yes - the insurgency in Iraq lasted for several years and America withdrew. So follows the pattern of the invader eventually losing if he doesn’t finish it within 2 years.


    Regarding POWs, Dubai said it
     
    Link? You shouldn’t be taken at your word, and I couldn’t find it in my quick search. I posted the only thing I did find- 3,000 Ukrainian POWs according to Ukraine, real number probably higher.

    By the way Zelko run as the more pro-Russian candidate
     
    The important word in your statement was “more.”

    He was milder than Poroshenko, but also pro-NATO and pro-EU. He said Bandera was cool, but didn’t need so many statues.

    The pro-Russian guy, who didn’t think Bandera was cool, and was opposed to NATO membership, lost and didn’t make it into the 2nd round.

    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    No. You talk nonsense because the reality is too painful. US lost the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria – it took years and at the end it was a loss. Raising a flag or making a speech is not a victory and was never considered as such in the past.

    Napoleon raised French flags in Moscow, then lost and watched half a million of his soldiers die. US controlled temporarily Saigon, Kabul, Baghdad. Then run away.

    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.

    If during a war – after 2014 it was a war – 70% of people vote for the ‘less” militant candidate, it is because they prefer peace and coexistence. The bitter dead-enders voted for Porky – he got 15% in the first round, which is pretty bad for a sitting president during a war.

    Zelko was either corralled in by threats-promises, or he was always a puppet on a mission. Today everyone is angry and scared, so it is no time to ask opinions. The unwillingness of at least half of the Ukies to fight says it all. If you don’t put your skin in the game you are really not in it…that applies to you and the merry band of the Ukie-boosters here. You would never fight yourself, it is only a show for you…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    US lost the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria – it took years and at the end it was a loss
     
    By your stupid logic, the USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared, its troops left Germany and Eastern Europe and Eastern Europe became part of the Germany-dominated EU.

    America shattered the Iraqi army and captured Baghdad and the entire country in 5 weeks. Later there was an insurgency and after many years America left Iraq. Similar story for Afghanistan.

    After 2 years, Russia has failed to shatter the Ukrainian army (which is now much larger and better armed than it was before the war began), failed to capture Kiev, and holds only 8% of Ukraine while losing significant parts of its Black Sea Fleet and 100,000 or so + dead. You call this "winning."

    The situations of Iraq, Vietnam, and Afghanistan do tell us something - that if an invader doesn't put a stop to resistance quickly, he leaves.

    If during a war – after 2014 it was a war – 70% of people vote for the ‘less” militant candidate, it is because they prefer peace and coexistence
     
    In 2019 there were a couple dozen deaths. It was no longer a war.

    And, again - there was a pro-Russian candidate. He got about 12% of the vote. Another one got 4% of the vote.

    Zelensky explicitly was pro-NATO and pro-EU and even pro-Bandera. Don't lie otherwise - it was right in his platform.

    The unwillingness of at least half of the Ukies to fight says it all. ...If you don’t put your skin in the game you are really not in it
     
    So if you don't get on a boat and patrol the Mediterranean you are really not opposed to an influx of non-Europeans to Europe? Your logic can also be applied to every American who opposes this influx but does not take his gun and go to the border. Only someone willing to put his skin in the game and go is not putting on a show. You are full of interesting insights.

    Replies: @Beckow

  131. @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    Already seeing unrest, even in Western Ukraine. Clear that personnel and munition shortages are really starting to hamper the combat capability of the Ukrainian military, you hear of a new advance everyday. Important to remember that it still suits the Russians to fight here rather than deeper inside Ukraine.

    The hatred will be directed at the current leadership of Ukraine and the neocons in DC. It is clear the West is in turmoil at the moment, if the current lot are replaced mending relations is easy enough, if they continue on, then I am not sure it is particularly worth it building relations, there will be no value there.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …if the current lot are replaced mending relations is easy enough

    I am not so sure. There is a dramatic collapse in trust between Russia and the West. It will take a generation to get it back. When Putin says wearily “we are done doing favors to the West, they never reciprocate…” or US-UK-German-Polish politicians scream to “kill more Russians!!“…it is obviously broken.

    Remember that Putin is a moderate, the deeper forces in Russia are saying Germany was treated too leniently after WW2 and it was a mistake. And we all see the mad neo-cons running the West to the ground – they will never stop the wars and the population is visibly unable (or unwilling) to reign them in.

    I don’t think this is good. Maybe we will get lucky and there is a soft landing.

  132. @A123
    @John Johnson


    Do you agree with the MAGA House Republicans that want to write a check to Israel for $14 billion?
     
    Why do you ask questions where you already know the answer? In the interest of comity I will humour you. I am a Christian... And thus, a Judeo-Christian.

    Indigenous Palestinian Jews are DEFENDING against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Literally, the spawn of Lucifer/Allah/Satan.

    • Do I believe in Jesus Christ? Yes.
    • Do I believe in opposing the Anti-Christ? Yes.

    Supporting indigenous Palestinian Jews who are DEFENDING themselves against Satanic attacks is a "no brainer". Defeating Muslim warmongers makes obvious sense. Ejecting evil is the price that must be paid to obtain peace.
    ____

    Let me jump ahead to the inevitable next question.

    The bulk of the population in Ukraine is Orthodox Christian. This is unlike the raping and murdering Jihadist horror in Gaza. There, the bulk of the population believes in the SatanoAllah and the Anti-Christ Muhammad.

    Post-Judaic apostate, Führer Zelensky, neo-Nazi enemy of Christians & Jews can be displaced. A rational Ukrainian, Orthodox Christian leader could negotiate a peace deal with Moscow. There is no comparable path available to deal with the Satan worshipping Jihadist settlers occupying Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

    ================================
        Muslim Colonies are the Problem.
    Muslim Decolonization is the Answer!
    ================================


    Similar situations and solutions apply in Germany, France, UK, and other contaminated countries in Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Vajradhara

    You sound retarded.

    Indigenous Jews???

    Sorry, but genetic studies prove the Palestinians are far more native to their area than most Jews are.

    Ben Gurion himself said, “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country…. They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

    • Replies: @AP
    @Vajradhara


    Sorry, but genetic studies prove the Palestinians are far more native to their area than most Jews are.
     
    Genetic studies show that Palestinian Christians are the most native to the area. Palestinian Muslims are mixed with Arabic invaders, and Ashkenazi Jews are about 50% European. The latter, however, are the only ones who maintained their native faith (the language was a LARP though, Hebrew became dead and was artificially revived - Ashkenazi Jews spoke a German dialect, Yiddish).

    But all three groups are descended from the area's natives. One group was exiled ~1800 years ago, maintaining their identity in diaspora while mixing with Europeans. The ones left behind became Christians. Then Arabs conquered their lands, converted most of them and mixed with the converts. And then the exiles triumphantly returned, conquering and establishing hegemony over their (half) brothers.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @A123
    @Vajradhara

    You completely miss the point. Religious land claims are about religion, not ethnicity.

    There are only two Indigenous Palestinian religions:
        • Judaism
        • Christianity

    Muhammad the Settler prophet brought the strife of colonial Jihad to Palestine ~600 AD. The non-Palestinian religion of Islam is from Arabia. Feel free to include Persia if you like.

    It is clear that 1,400 years of Islamic colonization has failed. Muslim Decolonization is inevitable. The best way to fix the problem is helping non-Palestinian Muslims leave Palestine in a controlled & orderly manner.

    Remember, ethnicity is 100% irrelevant. An honourable & compensated exit via an "Islamic Right of Religious Return" would help Muslims return to their indigenous home in Arabia, or further afield.

    PEACE 😇

  133. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    Europe’s largest Buddhist population

     

    Why is this specifically a bad thing?

    I'm not saying it is a bad thing. I'm dispelling the frozen tradcon Orthodox wonderland that Putin fans try to pretend exists.

    Putin fans try to believe that Russia is some healthy Orthodox state that should be left alone....to kill their Orthodox neighbors. They don't like to be reminded that it is a multi-racial, multi-religious empire where the Orthodox are in population decline.

    That is the real basis of MAGA support for Russia. They think it's some conservative wonderland that is under attack by the West. They try to believe it is a holdout against Jewish influence and multiculturalism when Russia itself is more multicultural than Ukraine. It's a delusion that I enjoy breaking.

    I have mixed feelings on Buddhism but unfortunately it seems that a lot of their Asians are submitting to the empire and letting Putin march their fathers and sons off to their deaths. Very tragic for areas like Siberia as they would rather not be part of Russia. This is an aspect of Buddhism that I do not like. It's very fatalistic which does not lead to rebellions against the status quo. Look what happened to Tibet. They didn't do a damn thing other than sneak their child-god out of the country. A religion that says you need to serve a child-god and if the state kills your relatives....well that was to be.

    Interestingly enough, according to data previously presented on here by Anatoly Karlin a couple of years ago, Russian atheists are much more anti-war than Russian Orthodox Christians are.

    That doesn't surprise me at all.

    Rural Russians tend to be the most pro-war and are more likely to be Orthodox than urban Slavs.

    But with that said I don't think atheism promotes morality. Putin is most likely an atheist.

    Atheism in crowds could be indeed pro-peace but it leads to individuals like Putin that believe in nothing and for whom lives are worthless. Nietzche predicted this exact scenario. Atheism intially appears to promote a secular morality that is better than Christianity but is then overshadowed by ideologies or leaders that completely devalue the individual.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Vajradhara

    This is an aspect of Buddhism that I do not like. It’s very fatalistic which does not lead to rebellions against the status quo. Look what happened to Tibet. They didn’t do a damn thing other than sneak their child-god out of the country. A religion that says you need to serve a child-god and if the state kills your relatives….well that was to be.

    No offense, but you’re clueless about Buddhism.
    It is NOT fatalistic.

    And Tibetans did rebel against the Chinese. Violently. It failed obviously, but there was an armed rebellion.
    Also the Dalai-Lama is not a “child-god”. He is an incarnation of a spiritual being different from any idea of a god.
    And no, nowhere in Buddhism it is said that you have to serve someone like the DL. You do have to show a little respect to monks, but that’s it. And if an invasion of foreigners causes more suffering than before, you of course have the right to an armed rebellion.

  134. Probably unlikely, but it would be funny if Musk bought Disney and then had Pixar release a series of animated films about the plight of Boer farmers in South Africa.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    it would be funny if Musk bought Disney
     
    It would be stupid more than funny. Disney is hemorrhaging money: more than one billion in losses last year. Sensible business action would be to let this ship sink. Besides, Disney would become a lot cheaper after it files for bankruptcy.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @songbird

  135. @Beckow
    @AP

    No. You talk nonsense because the reality is too painful. US lost the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria - it took years and at the end it was a loss. Raising a flag or making a speech is not a victory and was never considered as such in the past.

    Napoleon raised French flags in Moscow, then lost and watched half a million of his soldiers die. US controlled temporarily Saigon, Kabul, Baghdad. Then run away.


    The pro-Russian voters went for Zelensky in the 2nd round because for them he was a “lesser evil” compared to Poroshenko, but he was not pro-Russian.
     
    If during a war - after 2014 it was a war - 70% of people vote for the 'less" militant candidate, it is because they prefer peace and coexistence. The bitter dead-enders voted for Porky - he got 15% in the first round, which is pretty bad for a sitting president during a war.

    Zelko was either corralled in by threats-promises, or he was always a puppet on a mission. Today everyone is angry and scared, so it is no time to ask opinions. The unwillingness of at least half of the Ukies to fight says it all. If you don't put your skin in the game you are really not in it...that applies to you and the merry band of the Ukie-boosters here. You would never fight yourself, it is only a show for you...

    Replies: @AP

    US lost the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria – it took years and at the end it was a loss

    By your stupid logic, the USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared, its troops left Germany and Eastern Europe and Eastern Europe became part of the Germany-dominated EU.

    America shattered the Iraqi army and captured Baghdad and the entire country in 5 weeks. Later there was an insurgency and after many years America left Iraq. Similar story for Afghanistan.

    After 2 years, Russia has failed to shatter the Ukrainian army (which is now much larger and better armed than it was before the war began), failed to capture Kiev, and holds only 8% of Ukraine while losing significant parts of its Black Sea Fleet and 100,000 or so + dead. You call this “winning.”

    The situations of Iraq, Vietnam, and Afghanistan do tell us something – that if an invader doesn’t put a stop to resistance quickly, he leaves.

    If during a war – after 2014 it was a war – 70% of people vote for the ‘less” militant candidate, it is because they prefer peace and coexistence

    In 2019 there were a couple dozen deaths. It was no longer a war.

    And, again – there was a pro-Russian candidate. He got about 12% of the vote. Another one got 4% of the vote.

    Zelensky explicitly was pro-NATO and pro-EU and even pro-Bandera. Don’t lie otherwise – it was right in his platform.

    The unwillingness of at least half of the Ukies to fight says it all. …If you don’t put your skin in the game you are really not in it

    So if you don’t get on a boat and patrol the Mediterranean you are really not opposed to an influx of non-Europeans to Europe? Your logic can also be applied to every American who opposes this influx but does not take his gun and go to the border. Only someone willing to put his skin in the game and go is not putting on a show. You are full of interesting insights.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...You are full of interesting insights.
     
    Yes, I am...:)

    USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared...
     
    If you don't see the difference between 10-15 and 45 years you should really do that remedial math. Let me help: one is within a single generational cycle, the other is not.

    On an unrelated topic, Russia has kept Kaliningrad, Vyborg, Kuriles...with more losses like that, maybe they need to lose more wars...:)


    there was an insurgency...
     
    What exactly is the difference between an "insurgency" and a war? In your bizarre world there is no war in Gaza and no war in Iraq-Afgan., they were only an insurgency. The way you morons pacify yourself with language is amazing - they do that with little kids to keep them from being too sad when they lose...

    if an invader doesn’t put a stop to resistance quickly, he leaves.
     
    So you expect the Russians living in Donbas, Crimea, along Azov sea to leave? Wow...I suppose any day now...and the "8%", come on, it only shows you weakness. Get a map.

    If Zelko is pro-Bandera he is even more sick than he appears. Let's just say I really doubt his parents are.


    if you don’t get on a boat and patrol the Mediterranean you are really not opposed to an influx of non-Europeans to Europe?
     
    An analogy to absurdity - something you specialize in. If Ukies think they are fighting the war for survival, for their very existence (and you agree), one would expect more willingness to put themselves on the line.

    But, you are on to something with the migrant boats - yes, most people no matter what they say don't care enough. We will try to figure out in the future why that was - we will not be able to explain it to our kids. So yes, I actually agree with you there: they care and we don't care enough...

    Replies: @AP

  136. @Vajradhara
    @A123

    You sound retarded.

    Indigenous Jews???

    Sorry, but genetic studies prove the Palestinians are far more native to their area than most Jews are.

    Ben Gurion himself said, “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country.... They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    Sorry, but genetic studies prove the Palestinians are far more native to their area than most Jews are.

    Genetic studies show that Palestinian Christians are the most native to the area. Palestinian Muslims are mixed with Arabic invaders, and Ashkenazi Jews are about 50% European. The latter, however, are the only ones who maintained their native faith (the language was a LARP though, Hebrew became dead and was artificially revived – Ashkenazi Jews spoke a German dialect, Yiddish).

    But all three groups are descended from the area’s natives. One group was exiled ~1800 years ago, maintaining their identity in diaspora while mixing with Europeans. The ones left behind became Christians. Then Arabs conquered their lands, converted most of them and mixed with the converts. And then the exiles triumphantly returned, conquering and establishing hegemony over their (half) brothers.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    If you're going to use this argument, would you also argue that native Muslim Algerians were more entitled to Algeria than the pieds-noirs were because the pieds-noirs, other than the native Algerian Jews, were the descendants of post-1830 European colonists to Algeria?

    Replies: @AP

  137. Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk). The process is not fast, as it was heavily fortified by Ukies since 2014. It’s already cut in two pieces by Russian troops, who are apparently aiming at surrounding the most fortified areas and forcing Ukies in them to surrender (like Azovstal in Mariupol). Ukie logistics in Avdeevka are already between unreliable and non-existent. Naturally, the shelling of civilian areas in Donetsk decreased: at least half of those shells were fired from Avdeevka.

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value. At least that’s what the West/Ukies said about Soledar, Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut), and Mariinka (another Donetsk suburb) right after Russians liberated those Donbass cities.

    I also must warn you that if you ask why in this case Ukies for many years put so much resources and effort into building fortifications in Avdeevka, you are politically incorrect, most likely Putin’s agent.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut
     
    Bakhmut was the pre-Soviet name for it, as it was called under the Tsars.

    In 1924, the city's name was changed from Bakhmut to Artemivsk, in honour of the Bolshevik leader Fyodor Sergeyev, who was known as Comrade Artem (or Artyom)

    "Artemovsk" is like "Leningrad", "Sverdlovsk", etc.

    You are from Donbas and don't even know that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    , @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin erzats-election will begin roughly in about four weeks IIRC, so was quite on point when guessed it last September:


    However if there will be some more substantial new RF offensive around 2024 it will be just only on Bakhmut type level (maybe Kupyansk or Avdeevka as target) in order to present some “feelz good” type one-time momental victorious PR before next year spring presidential RF election erzats imitations.
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-229/#comment-6174359

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk).

    Yes I'm sure the former residents will be thrilled with the liberation.

    Looks like they are liberating every building from being habitable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOmxPsh4S60

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value.

    It doesn't have much strategic value and both sides know that Ukraine will most likely abandon it when encircled. Kind of a duh.

    Ukraine is defending it because Putin wants to capture it before the presidency and is recklessly rushing in forces the old fashioned Russian way.

    The defensive has the strong advantage in this war. Just read this article:

    Over 900 Russian soldiers and 11 tanks downed in past 24-hours - Ukrainian General Staff
    https://news.yahoo.com/over-900-russian-soldiers-11-103000417.html

    There are Russian soldiers on video talking about how Putin is sending meat waves at Avdiivka so it isn't propaganda. Ukraine has chosen to defend and incur losses against Russia. It's the right move.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack, @Sean

  138. @songbird
    Probably unlikely, but it would be funny if Musk bought Disney and then had Pixar release a series of animated films about the plight of Boer farmers in South Africa.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    it would be funny if Musk bought Disney

    It would be stupid more than funny. Disney is hemorrhaging money: more than one billion in losses last year. Sensible business action would be to let this ship sink. Besides, Disney would become a lot cheaper after it files for bankruptcy.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @AnonfromTN

    Musk could have waited to buy Twitter, but didn't.

    Disney should be a cash cow.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    it would be funny if Musk bought Disney

    >It would be stupid more than funny
     
    Well, the main fiscal complaint regarding Disney stock is underperformance and lack of growth. It's not really tanking in an absolute sense, at least not yet.

    And my own suspicion is that there is a monopoly aspect to the big five studios. Disney though quite woke, might be only modestly more woke than the average, and it is the biggest studio.

    If Musk did buy, it would likely be as part of a consortium, with minimized risks to him. He seems to be motivated by a personal vendetta against Bob Iger. I am sympathetic as I find Iger to be unsavory. But at best, I think it would only take Disney back to the studio average of wokeness. It's not how I would invest, if a had a few billion to splurge on a cultural project.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  139. @AnonfromTN
    Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk). The process is not fast, as it was heavily fortified by Ukies since 2014. It’s already cut in two pieces by Russian troops, who are apparently aiming at surrounding the most fortified areas and forcing Ukies in them to surrender (like Azovstal in Mariupol). Ukie logistics in Avdeevka are already between unreliable and non-existent. Naturally, the shelling of civilian areas in Donetsk decreased: at least half of those shells were fired from Avdeevka.

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value. At least that’s what the West/Ukies said about Soledar, Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut), and Mariinka (another Donetsk suburb) right after Russians liberated those Donbass cities.

    I also must warn you that if you ask why in this case Ukies for many years put so much resources and effort into building fortifications in Avdeevka, you are politically incorrect, most likely Putin’s agent.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @John Johnson

    Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut

    Bakhmut was the pre-Soviet name for it, as it was called under the Tsars.

    In 1924, the city’s name was changed from Bakhmut to Artemivsk, in honour of the Bolshevik leader Fyodor Sergeyev, who was known as Comrade Artem (or Artyom)

    “Artemovsk” is like “Leningrad”, “Sverdlovsk”, etc.

    You are from Donbas and don’t even know that.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    In 1924, the city’s name was changed from Bakhmut to Artemivsk, in honour of the Bolshevik leader Fyodor Sergeyev, who was known as Comrade Artem (or Artyom)
    You are from Donbas and don’t even know that.
     
    I sure know that. I don’t know much about “comrade Artyom” (frankly, considering when he was active, I don’t think he was a nice fellow), but today’s difference between Bahmut and Artemovsk has nothing to do with him. It is a symbol of Ukie defeat, no more, no less.
    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    From this imbeciles comment to AnonFrom TN:


    Artemovsk” is like “Leningrad”, “Sverdlovsk”, etc.
    You are from Donbas and don’t even know that.
     
    LOL - the same modus operandi from this AP nutjob of :

    1.Not knowing anything about the people and places he uses an abnormal amount of time writing about.......attempts to bypass this absurd situation, often by faking the points made by people who, different to this loser, do know about the people and places being discussed.

    2.Copies and pastes the wikipedia extact of place and person he knows nothing of and presents as own natural "knowledge"

    3.Makes bimbo conclusions that even a ukronazi trying to lie about the situation would not make!

    Ukronazi method to renaming places if, of course, highly schizophrenic. Ukrainian ideology is of course highly schizophrenic. Everything done in name of "Ukrainianism" is by definition like that.

    All the behaviour of this freak is various variations on HIS theme of cretinous BS - like that piece of idiocy misdirection on Russians rejecting khokholism in pre-war Lvov - or the totally lunatic "here in Kazan" vs "there in Kazan" (after what would have certainly been this non-life reading the words "here" anyway and the mental sickness required to "research" like that LMAO) , or the "what is mir in Russian"?!!!

    Another reminder - this is the same non-life weirdo who doesn't know that Kravchuk is from western Ukraine. For sure, a minor, irrelevant thing to know for westerners on their blog - for any ACTUAL ukrop diaspora, for any fantasist freakshow claiming (lying) to have visited late-era USSR or early-era khokholstan - inexplicable to not know.
    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Continuing on the subject of places that this freak AP has never visited, I will address for others the topic of :

    Pavlograd, city in Dnepropetrovsk has not become victim of "decommunisation". Why is this?

    1. Because named after a german Tsar, Paul 1st. German connection is very good for the ukroreikh

    2. Pavel I, not glorified much as a Tsar, different to Catherine the Great who despite her origins is connected greatly to Russia and our successes. Pavel didn't do anything good for "Ukraine", i.e he didn't create any part of the Malorossiyan administrative borders. He didn't win in wars any of the land given to Ukraine. Not doing anything for Ukraine makes him a perfect representative of Ukraine - and of course the german thing. A pathetic situation - but winning formula for Ukrainian place names.

    The "grad" in Pavlograd is also a Russification.

    All the places that were renamed by the Communists from their original names in honour of Catherine the Great.......have of course mostly kept their communist names.
    Here COMMUNISATION is Khokhlisation for Catherine/Peter the Great places.

    Donetsk was called Stalino and has kept its name since .Numerous other places following this naming method.
    Here RE-COMMUNISATION is khokholisation

    Then there is Pavlograd as mentioned and the "Bakhmut" naming freakshow.
    Here RUSSIFICATION is khokholisation

    Then there is the South Ukrainian , Greek names given by or named in honour of Catherine the Great. Ancient Greece study too difficult and sophisticated for the inbreeding Galician rejects to understand so this escapes renaming. They do "defeat" Russia however, with the elimination of the second "S" in Odessa.....which is of course a communisation of mova "language" done in 1920's. Again, pathetic, but very important for ukronazis. Odessa instead of Odessis is the name, because Odessa is greek feminine for name dedicated to Catherine the Great

    Here for the Odessa and the Tsarist greek project in general - PARASITISM-RUSSIFICATION-COMMUNISATION is Khokholisation

    That's before we get to places like Ivano-Frankovsk - just about the most Communist-stamp named place possible.
    Here SUPER-KHOKHOLISATION is Pure Communism.

    So nearly every single Khokhol place uses Russification, recommunisaion, communisation.......so that they can de-russify and decommunise. All perfectly logical and easy to understand!!

    As I said, this is a psychiatric disease, not a national movement. Must and will be destroyed
    I would recommend after my own careful study which respects the wonderful 1000 year history of "Ukraine" - Ukraine renames itself to:

    The United American Commonwealth of Ukraine-reikh

    Sorry I was disrespectful, here is the full name :

    The Peoples Socialist American Commonwealth of Ukraine-reikh Felixstan.

    Felix would be very proud of the ukrop police state since 2014. I can easily see it winning as the new name in a referendum.

  140. @Vajradhara
    @A123

    You sound retarded.

    Indigenous Jews???

    Sorry, but genetic studies prove the Palestinians are far more native to their area than most Jews are.

    Ben Gurion himself said, “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country.... They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    You completely miss the point. Religious land claims are about religion, not ethnicity.

    There are only two Indigenous Palestinian religions:
        • Judaism
        • Christianity

    Muhammad the Settler prophet brought the strife of colonial Jihad to Palestine ~600 AD. The non-Palestinian religion of Islam is from Arabia. Feel free to include Persia if you like.

    It is clear that 1,400 years of Islamic colonization has failed. Muslim Decolonization is inevitable. The best way to fix the problem is helping non-Palestinian Muslims leave Palestine in a controlled & orderly manner.

    Remember, ethnicity is 100% irrelevant. An honourable & compensated exit via an “Islamic Right of Religious Return” would help Muslims return to their indigenous home in Arabia, or further afield.

    PEACE 😇

  141. @AnonfromTN
    Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk). The process is not fast, as it was heavily fortified by Ukies since 2014. It’s already cut in two pieces by Russian troops, who are apparently aiming at surrounding the most fortified areas and forcing Ukies in them to surrender (like Azovstal in Mariupol). Ukie logistics in Avdeevka are already between unreliable and non-existent. Naturally, the shelling of civilian areas in Donetsk decreased: at least half of those shells were fired from Avdeevka.

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value. At least that’s what the West/Ukies said about Soledar, Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut), and Mariinka (another Donetsk suburb) right after Russians liberated those Donbass cities.

    I also must warn you that if you ask why in this case Ukies for many years put so much resources and effort into building fortifications in Avdeevka, you are politically incorrect, most likely Putin’s agent.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @John Johnson

    Putin erzats-election will begin roughly in about four weeks IIRC, so was quite on point when guessed it last September:

    However if there will be some more substantial new RF offensive around 2024 it will be just only on Bakhmut type level (maybe Kupyansk or Avdeevka as target) in order to present some “feelz good” type one-time momental victorious PR before next year spring presidential RF election erzats imitations.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-229/#comment-6174359

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Putin erzats-election
     
    Sorry to disappoint, but Putin does not need erzats-elections. He also does not need massive voter fraud, like in the US presidential “elections” in 2020 (when corrupt senile half-corpse was “elected”), or in Zimbabwean presidential “elections” several times before that (when another corrupt senile half-corpse Mugabe was “elected”). His approval rating in Russia is higher than that of any “leader” in self-proclaimed democratic world (the imperial patch). This patch includes the empire itself, and it’s first-, second-, third-, etc. rate vassals (slaves by the definition suggested by AP), all the way down to the Republic of Palau.

    As French (who on average tend to be more sensible than most Europeans) say, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  142. @AP
    @Beckow


    US lost the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria – it took years and at the end it was a loss
     
    By your stupid logic, the USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared, its troops left Germany and Eastern Europe and Eastern Europe became part of the Germany-dominated EU.

    America shattered the Iraqi army and captured Baghdad and the entire country in 5 weeks. Later there was an insurgency and after many years America left Iraq. Similar story for Afghanistan.

    After 2 years, Russia has failed to shatter the Ukrainian army (which is now much larger and better armed than it was before the war began), failed to capture Kiev, and holds only 8% of Ukraine while losing significant parts of its Black Sea Fleet and 100,000 or so + dead. You call this "winning."

    The situations of Iraq, Vietnam, and Afghanistan do tell us something - that if an invader doesn't put a stop to resistance quickly, he leaves.

    If during a war – after 2014 it was a war – 70% of people vote for the ‘less” militant candidate, it is because they prefer peace and coexistence
     
    In 2019 there were a couple dozen deaths. It was no longer a war.

    And, again - there was a pro-Russian candidate. He got about 12% of the vote. Another one got 4% of the vote.

    Zelensky explicitly was pro-NATO and pro-EU and even pro-Bandera. Don't lie otherwise - it was right in his platform.

    The unwillingness of at least half of the Ukies to fight says it all. ...If you don’t put your skin in the game you are really not in it
     
    So if you don't get on a boat and patrol the Mediterranean you are really not opposed to an influx of non-Europeans to Europe? Your logic can also be applied to every American who opposes this influx but does not take his gun and go to the border. Only someone willing to put his skin in the game and go is not putting on a show. You are full of interesting insights.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …You are full of interesting insights.

    Yes, I am…:)

    USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared…

    If you don’t see the difference between 10-15 and 45 years you should really do that remedial math. Let me help: one is within a single generational cycle, the other is not.

    On an unrelated topic, Russia has kept Kaliningrad, Vyborg, Kuriles…with more losses like that, maybe they need to lose more wars…:)

    there was an insurgency…

    What exactly is the difference between an “insurgency” and a war? In your bizarre world there is no war in Gaza and no war in Iraq-Afgan., they were only an insurgency. The way you morons pacify yourself with language is amazing – they do that with little kids to keep them from being too sad when they lose…

    if an invader doesn’t put a stop to resistance quickly, he leaves.

    So you expect the Russians living in Donbas, Crimea, along Azov sea to leave? Wow…I suppose any day now…and the “8%”, come on, it only shows you weakness. Get a map.

    If Zelko is pro-Bandera he is even more sick than he appears. Let’s just say I really doubt his parents are.

    if you don’t get on a boat and patrol the Mediterranean you are really not opposed to an influx of non-Europeans to Europe?

    An analogy to absurdity – something you specialize in. If Ukies think they are fighting the war for survival, for their very existence (and you agree), one would expect more willingness to put themselves on the line.

    But, you are on to something with the migrant boats – yes, most people no matter what they say don’t care enough. We will try to figure out in the future why that was – we will not be able to explain it to our kids. So yes, I actually agree with you there: they care and we don’t care enough…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared…

    If you don’t see the difference between 10-15 and 45 years
     

    In both cases the fruits of military victory over the conventional army were erased.

    The USA defeated Iraq at war, occupying the entire country. About 18 years later (not 10-15, you lie as usual) it withdrew almost all of its forces (there are still about 2,000 US troops in Iraq).

    The USSR defeated Germany at war, but withdrew after 45 years.

    Any analogy will have differences. Here it's a difference of 27 years for the withdrawal. You can be desperate and focus on the differences.

    In both cases it is stupid to conclude: USA or the USSR lost the wars. They each won their wars, but lost what came after.

    They each won their wars, and in both cases the victories were undone in separate struggles. Saddam and the Baathist state and military were defeated, conquered, occupied and erased by the Americans, but US couldn't (or rather refused to) hold power over the Shiite-dominated Iraqi state that followed the defeat of Baathist Iraq. Hitler and the Nazi state and military were defeated, conquered, occupied and erased by the Soviets (mostly), but the Soviets lost the Cold War and lost Central and Eastern Europe to the democracies that replaced the defeated Nazi state and its order.


    What exactly is the difference between an “insurgency” and a war?
     
    What is the difference between Saddam and the Baathist state whom the Americans crushed, and the Shiites who took over later and to whom America gave the country by leaving?

    Are you next going to argue that "Russia" won World War I because Soviet soldiers occupied Berlin 28 years after 1917?


    If Ukies think they are fighting the war for survival, for their very existence (and you agree), one would expect more willingness to put themselves on the line
     
    At the moment Russia is being contained and failing in it goal to conquer Ukraine, so the situation is not one of survival. It was more like that in February 2022. Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so. People in places like Kiev are no longer worried that the Russians will conquer their homes and kill them. The Russians are stuck in the far East and South. And yet many still fight.

    But, you are on to something with the migrant boats – yes, most people no matter what they say don’t care enough. We will try to figure out in the future why that was – we will not be able to explain it to our kids. So yes, I actually agree with you there: they care and we don’t care enough…
     
    Because this, too, is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France long before they come to you. So you live your life in Slovakia. You don't patrol the Italian coast.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  143. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.

     

    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia's two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).

    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.

     

    Do these mercenaries get Russian citizenship if they survive?

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.

    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia’s two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).

    Interestingly the British did the exact opposite in WW1. Sons of the upper class and military families were gunned down first. They all eagerly went to the front to get their glory and out of a sense of duty.

    British support for the war of course remained but it was probably the most dysgenic period in European history. Their best warriors were gunned down and then well after British finally adapted to the machine gun they started sending in conscripts.

    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.

    Do these mercenaries get Russian citizenship if they survive?

    Probably since it is so unlikely that they will survive the war. They’re short on labor in some areas so any survivors probably will get citizenship.

    Putin is playing the same game with all of them. The dump conscripts or mercs in the field and then report them as MIA. No payments to the families on the basis of not knowing what happened. They leave the families in limbo when both sides that they were killed. An incredibly dirty practice. Even the Romans paid their mercenaries.

    There is no medivac for them and they won’t get paid if they are captured. I think they are mainly used as bait for the artillery. They drop them in remote pockets and then Ukrainians either hunt them down with drones or bring in a squad.

    What Ukraine should do is offer bounties for them to flip.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Interestingly the British did the exact opposite in WW1. Sons of the upper class and military families were gunned down first. They all eagerly went to the front to get their glory and out of a sense of duty.

     

    That was voluntary on their own part, though, so there was no huge backlash to them sacrificing themselves.

    British support for the war of course remained but it was probably the most dysgenic period in European history. Their best warriors were gunned down and then well after British finally adapted to the machine gun they started sending in conscripts.

     

    I'd be very fine with an alternate TL where there is no WWI just so long as the US still eventually purchases the Danish West Indies (later renamed the US Virgin Islands) anyway.
  144. @AnonfromTN
    Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk). The process is not fast, as it was heavily fortified by Ukies since 2014. It’s already cut in two pieces by Russian troops, who are apparently aiming at surrounding the most fortified areas and forcing Ukies in them to surrender (like Azovstal in Mariupol). Ukie logistics in Avdeevka are already between unreliable and non-existent. Naturally, the shelling of civilian areas in Donetsk decreased: at least half of those shells were fired from Avdeevka.

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value. At least that’s what the West/Ukies said about Soledar, Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut), and Mariinka (another Donetsk suburb) right after Russians liberated those Donbass cities.

    I also must warn you that if you ask why in this case Ukies for many years put so much resources and effort into building fortifications in Avdeevka, you are politically incorrect, most likely Putin’s agent.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @John Johnson

    Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk).

    Yes I’m sure the former residents will be thrilled with the liberation.

    Looks like they are liberating every building from being habitable.

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value.

    It doesn’t have much strategic value and both sides know that Ukraine will most likely abandon it when encircled. Kind of a duh.

    Ukraine is defending it because Putin wants to capture it before the presidency and is recklessly rushing in forces the old fashioned Russian way.

    The defensive has the strong advantage in this war. Just read this article:

    Over 900 Russian soldiers and 11 tanks downed in past 24-hours – Ukrainian General Staff
    https://news.yahoo.com/over-900-russian-soldiers-11-103000417.html

    There are Russian soldiers on video talking about how Putin is sending meat waves at Avdiivka so it isn’t propaganda. Ukraine has chosen to defend and incur losses against Russia. It’s the right move.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Just read this article:

    Over 900 Russian soldiers and 11 tanks downed in past 24-hours – Ukrainian General Staff
    https://news.yahoo.com.......
     
    Yahoo "news"... Ukrainian General Staff ... LOL

    This is the guy who scoffs at Scott Ritter.

    Anyway, everybody seems to think that Avdiivka is close to falling. It's difficult to understand why civilians still live in downtown Donetsk but, based on precedent, if I was one of them I would get out for a while.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    The only reason that Adviivka has had any importance at all, is that it's relatively close to Donetsk. It wont be rebuilt anytime soon, and if it is, it'll probably be renamed Putlerivka. More lucrative contracts for Beckow's construction company?

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson

    You have to relate Russia's losses to Ukraine's losses, which we outside the US intel agencies and those who get their secret reports are in the dark about because nothing unfavorable to Ukraine will be released. European militaries know though and their closely guarded knowledge must have informed their various intelligence estimates that Russia might attack a Nato country anytime after two years from now. Moreover, a logical deduction from those warnings is the secret intel assessment the various governments are getting from Washington have concluded the war in Ukraine will last until 2025, and end without a Russian defeat

  145. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin erzats-election will begin roughly in about four weeks IIRC, so was quite on point when guessed it last September:


    However if there will be some more substantial new RF offensive around 2024 it will be just only on Bakhmut type level (maybe Kupyansk or Avdeevka as target) in order to present some “feelz good” type one-time momental victorious PR before next year spring presidential RF election erzats imitations.
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-229/#comment-6174359

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Putin erzats-election

    Sorry to disappoint, but Putin does not need erzats-elections. He also does not need massive voter fraud, like in the US presidential “elections” in 2020 (when corrupt senile half-corpse was “elected”), or in Zimbabwean presidential “elections” several times before that (when another corrupt senile half-corpse Mugabe was “elected”). His approval rating in Russia is higher than that of any “leader” in self-proclaimed democratic world (the imperial patch). This patch includes the empire itself, and it’s first-, second-, third-, etc. rate vassals (slaves by the definition suggested by AP), all the way down to the Republic of Palau.

    As French (who on average tend to be more sensible than most Europeans) say, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you see the reports that Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks?

    All the main outlets report is that he canceled his trip.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Matra

  146. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Putin erzats-election
     
    Sorry to disappoint, but Putin does not need erzats-elections. He also does not need massive voter fraud, like in the US presidential “elections” in 2020 (when corrupt senile half-corpse was “elected”), or in Zimbabwean presidential “elections” several times before that (when another corrupt senile half-corpse Mugabe was “elected”). His approval rating in Russia is higher than that of any “leader” in self-proclaimed democratic world (the imperial patch). This patch includes the empire itself, and it’s first-, second-, third-, etc. rate vassals (slaves by the definition suggested by AP), all the way down to the Republic of Palau.

    As French (who on average tend to be more sensible than most Europeans) say, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did you see the reports that Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks?

    All the main outlets report is that he canceled his trip.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Did you see the reports that Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks?
     
    I didn’t see that. Frankly, Macron is a nonentity, the only important thing about him is that he is former Rothschild banker. Maybe hopeless losers like Ukies would want to assassinate Macron. Even then only to try blaming Russia for it, as the value of Macron is as close to zero as makes no difference. However, if true, this shows that even a pathetic nonentity can be scared.
    , @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks
     
    It is a game of who will be the new Franz Ferdinand...these guys must be frantic with fear. Was Macron going to bring the grandma (wife) to the parade in Kiev?

    Sarkozy got 6 months for campaign financing violation (good one :) ) - he really screwed them when he flew to Moscow after the Georgia fiasco in 2008. The message is: we never forgive, we will get you... BoJo probably resigned out of fear, he looks completely unhinged as if in hiding and drinking heavily. But he did that before too...

    Roman Empire became like that - the Praetorians didn't let s..t happen, in some years they did in 2 or 3 "Emperors", usually over pay...

    , @Matra
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It's obviously fake.

  147. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    it would be funny if Musk bought Disney
     
    It would be stupid more than funny. Disney is hemorrhaging money: more than one billion in losses last year. Sensible business action would be to let this ship sink. Besides, Disney would become a lot cheaper after it files for bankruptcy.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @songbird

    Musk could have waited to buy Twitter, but didn’t.

    Disney should be a cash cow.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    Disney should be a cash cow.
     
    It could have been, but isn’t. RIP.

    Replies: @A123

  148. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you see the reports that Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks?

    All the main outlets report is that he canceled his trip.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Matra

    Did you see the reports that Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks?

    I didn’t see that. Frankly, Macron is a nonentity, the only important thing about him is that he is former Rothschild banker. Maybe hopeless losers like Ukies would want to assassinate Macron. Even then only to try blaming Russia for it, as the value of Macron is as close to zero as makes no difference. However, if true, this shows that even a pathetic nonentity can be scared.

  149. @LondonBob
    @AnonfromTN

    Musk could have waited to buy Twitter, but didn't.

    Disney should be a cash cow.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Disney should be a cash cow.

    It could have been, but isn’t. RIP.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN



    Disney should be a cash cow.
     
    It could have been, but isn’t. RIP.
     
    They have even managed to destroy merchandising.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMLP2MHdzJk

    The only way to get rid of the liabilities is going through bankruptcy. The parks could be sold off. The back catalogue and IP have great deal of value.

    No one wants the DEI/ESG crazy staff that have run the creative process into the ground. The wrong people have been in charge of hiring for so long there are multiple levels of intolerance baked in.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  150. Another Russian ship sunk by drones:

    1/3 of the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been sunk by a country that doesn’t have a Navy.

    This invasion is really working out for Russia’s image.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Fortunately for the Russians, these ships do not seem critical to the SMO. These sinkings are probably keeping US aircraft carrier officers up at night.

    The Russian Navy has some capability to defend against these type of attacks, but most vessels do not have the equipment.

    Like many drone attacks these may need to be stopped at the source, which probably puts civilians in harm's way. I guess we will see how many ships Russia is willing to lose.

    These videos remind me of the African Queen -- the ship in the movie, not the former President :) See minute 1:00.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6gDlWzKw

    Replies: @John Johnson

  151. @sudden death
    Now watch the magic happen when all those who have been salivating about RF economic growth due war industry expansion will suddenly become immediate white doves on olive trees, lamentating the MIC as cause of all evil in the world;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGP1qxrXYAAjv_n.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    The MIC of Tatarstan and Irkutsk etc, as a political and economy entity will not in any form dictate the end or lengthening of the SMO – that is completely different from the MIC states of the US to the SMO you dumbf**k.

    In the sick political culture of Pindostan… political/business lobby groups in those US states want & need the war to continue to help them get elected at local and presidential elections… and generate jobs/money for their area.

    The MIC relation to the SMO will have ZERO influence on Putin getting presidential vote in Tatarstan, Irkutsk etc…. or the politicians locally you stupid retard. Other different factors will lift their votes up or down.

    The EIC is though hugely important to Black Russia “Lithuania”. The Ethanol Industrial Complex is the most important thing in the political aspect to the earthworm, brain dead, liver-diseased Lithuanian dickheads you moron. President and local officials guaranteed vote if there is factory emitting ethanol flames as waste product for the Kaunas plankton to sniff…or ethanol is flowing into the drains outside of the factory for the Kaunas sick locals to drink.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Gerard1234


    US states want & need the war to continue to help them get elected at local and presidential elections… and generate jobs/money for their area.
     
    btw, majority of voters in those states with military production plants are red, but various tuckers lately have been intensively brainwashing them about UA aid being given in cash, so there is no such voter pressure at all now.
  152. @Beckow
    @QCIC

    The lines are easy to draw. But who manages the people behind the lines? 15-20 million rump-Ukieland based around Lvov-Kiev is a huge security issue - not only for Russia.

    We are observing the slow 'denazification' by suffering. The idea is it will eventually burn out and people move on. But the "denazification" is subjective and overlaps with the Ukie nationalism and folklore. It is also layered with the 'Euro'-loving mania that is often racial - an escape from who they are into a dream-land.

    It will not be clean, this is the beginning. Just how stupid were the commies to first grab the Galicians into Ukraine and then fail to solve it after 1945? Including the idiotic 'brotherly' way they treated the Germans. I guess we have learned that blood is thicker than 'proletariat'. Again.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The notion of Russia fighting indefinitely in Ukraine reminds me of the fable of the prisoner trying to teach the horse to sing. In my view, the king is the West, the horse is Ukraine and the prisoner is Russia.

    The possible outcomes are:

    – The king might die, meaning the West drops the anti-Russia project, at least in Ukraine.

    – The horse might die, meaning Ukraine collapses in a way that is favorable to Russia.

    – The prisoner might die, meaning Russia collapses.

    – The horse sings, meaning sentiment evolves, allowing the Ukrainian people to voluntarily accept a role as part of a Russian-speaking block.

    So Russia is committed to fight for an indefinite time while trying to get the horse to sing, though indefinitely doesn’t mean the fighting goes on forever. I mean there is not a specific combat goal or end point. The goal of the war is political and the military results required to achieve victory are not clear. So Russia may keep fighting until some acceptable end point becomes defined.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ... fable of the prisoner trying to teach the horse to sing.
     
    Quite accurate. In these situations it is usually the horse that dies first.

    I don't think any more that dropping the anti-Russia project is an option. They are in too deep. There also really isn't any other good project to move on to - China is way too powerful and the rest of the world is just a mess.

    The big guys won't collapse, it is way too early for that. So the horse it is...

  153. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you see the reports that Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks?

    All the main outlets report is that he canceled his trip.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Matra

    …Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks

    It is a game of who will be the new Franz Ferdinand…these guys must be frantic with fear. Was Macron going to bring the grandma (wife) to the parade in Kiev?

    Sarkozy got 6 months for campaign financing violation (good one 🙂 ) – he really screwed them when he flew to Moscow after the Georgia fiasco in 2008. The message is: we never forgive, we will get you… BoJo probably resigned out of fear, he looks completely unhinged as if in hiding and drinking heavily. But he did that before too…

    Roman Empire became like that – the Praetorians didn’t let s..t happen, in some years they did in 2 or 3 “Emperors”, usually over pay…

  154. @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    Disney should be a cash cow.
     
    It could have been, but isn’t. RIP.

    Replies: @A123

    Disney should be a cash cow.

    It could have been, but isn’t. RIP.

    They have even managed to destroy merchandising.

    The only way to get rid of the liabilities is going through bankruptcy. The parks could be sold off. The back catalogue and IP have great deal of value.

    No one wants the DEI/ESG crazy staff that have run the creative process into the ground. The wrong people have been in charge of hiring for so long there are multiple levels of intolerance baked in.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    You two are both completely divested from reality and like to repeat "feel good" statements that neither of you bother to verify.

    Disney made $30 billion in profit last year. Yes profit.
    https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DIS/disney/gross-profit

    That's about the GDP of a Baltic country.

    Disney could be its own European country and you two call it dead.

    The only way to get rid of the liabilities is going through bankruptcy. The parks could be sold off. The back catalogue and IP have great deal of value.

    Hilarious. Disney going bankrupt?

    They don't need Hasbro.

    There are all kinds of companies that would line up to sell plastic toys based on Disney movies.

    Declaring Disney to be dead is even sadder than the "end of the dollar" posts that were common when the war started.

  155. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    The notion of Russia fighting indefinitely in Ukraine reminds me of the fable of the prisoner trying to teach the horse to sing. In my view, the king is the West, the horse is Ukraine and the prisoner is Russia.

    The possible outcomes are:

    - The king might die, meaning the West drops the anti-Russia project, at least in Ukraine.

    - The horse might die, meaning Ukraine collapses in a way that is favorable to Russia.

    - The prisoner might die, meaning Russia collapses.

    - The horse sings, meaning sentiment evolves, allowing the Ukrainian people to voluntarily accept a role as part of a Russian-speaking block.

    So Russia is committed to fight for an indefinite time while trying to get the horse to sing, though indefinitely doesn't mean the fighting goes on forever. I mean there is not a specific combat goal or end point. The goal of the war is political and the military results required to achieve victory are not clear. So Russia may keep fighting until some acceptable end point becomes defined.

    Replies: @Beckow

    … fable of the prisoner trying to teach the horse to sing.

    Quite accurate. In these situations it is usually the horse that dies first.

    I don’t think any more that dropping the anti-Russia project is an option. They are in too deep. There also really isn’t any other good project to move on to – China is way too powerful and the rest of the world is just a mess.

    The big guys won’t collapse, it is way too early for that. So the horse it is…

  156. @A123
    @AnonfromTN



    Disney should be a cash cow.
     
    It could have been, but isn’t. RIP.
     
    They have even managed to destroy merchandising.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMLP2MHdzJk

    The only way to get rid of the liabilities is going through bankruptcy. The parks could be sold off. The back catalogue and IP have great deal of value.

    No one wants the DEI/ESG crazy staff that have run the creative process into the ground. The wrong people have been in charge of hiring for so long there are multiple levels of intolerance baked in.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You two are both completely divested from reality and like to repeat “feel good” statements that neither of you bother to verify.

    Disney made $30 billion in profit last year. Yes profit.
    https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DIS/disney/gross-profit

    That’s about the GDP of a Baltic country.

    Disney could be its own European country and you two call it dead.

    The only way to get rid of the liabilities is going through bankruptcy. The parks could be sold off. The back catalogue and IP have great deal of value.

    Hilarious. Disney going bankrupt?

    They don’t need Hasbro.

    There are all kinds of companies that would line up to sell plastic toys based on Disney movies.

    Declaring Disney to be dead is even sadder than the “end of the dollar” posts that were common when the war started.

  157. @John Johnson
    Another Russian ship sunk by drones:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_NChNEbJgQ

    1/3 of the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been sunk by a country that doesn't have a Navy.

    This invasion is really working out for Russia's image.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Fortunately for the Russians, these ships do not seem critical to the SMO. These sinkings are probably keeping US aircraft carrier officers up at night.

    The Russian Navy has some capability to defend against these type of attacks, but most vessels do not have the equipment.

    Like many drone attacks these may need to be stopped at the source, which probably puts civilians in harm’s way. I guess we will see how many ships Russia is willing to lose.

    These videos remind me of the African Queen — the ship in the movie, not the former President 🙂 See minute 1:00.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Fortunately for the Russians, these ships do not seem critical to the SMO.

    I wouldn't be certain of that. It was another landing ship.

    Putin could very well be entertaining the idea of trying to pull a Gallipoli.

    Ukraine supposedly has paid rats within the Russian military. There could have been hints that the landing ships needed to be sunk.

    These videos remind me of the African Queen — the ship in the movie, not the former President 🙂 See minute 1:00

    What was that classic movie where the Japanese are tossed in the water with life jackets and they are all gunned down?

  158. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...You are full of interesting insights.
     
    Yes, I am...:)

    USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared...
     
    If you don't see the difference between 10-15 and 45 years you should really do that remedial math. Let me help: one is within a single generational cycle, the other is not.

    On an unrelated topic, Russia has kept Kaliningrad, Vyborg, Kuriles...with more losses like that, maybe they need to lose more wars...:)


    there was an insurgency...
     
    What exactly is the difference between an "insurgency" and a war? In your bizarre world there is no war in Gaza and no war in Iraq-Afgan., they were only an insurgency. The way you morons pacify yourself with language is amazing - they do that with little kids to keep them from being too sad when they lose...

    if an invader doesn’t put a stop to resistance quickly, he leaves.
     
    So you expect the Russians living in Donbas, Crimea, along Azov sea to leave? Wow...I suppose any day now...and the "8%", come on, it only shows you weakness. Get a map.

    If Zelko is pro-Bandera he is even more sick than he appears. Let's just say I really doubt his parents are.


    if you don’t get on a boat and patrol the Mediterranean you are really not opposed to an influx of non-Europeans to Europe?
     
    An analogy to absurdity - something you specialize in. If Ukies think they are fighting the war for survival, for their very existence (and you agree), one would expect more willingness to put themselves on the line.

    But, you are on to something with the migrant boats - yes, most people no matter what they say don't care enough. We will try to figure out in the future why that was - we will not be able to explain it to our kids. So yes, I actually agree with you there: they care and we don't care enough...

    Replies: @AP

    USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared…

    If you don’t see the difference between 10-15 and 45 years

    In both cases the fruits of military victory over the conventional army were erased.

    The USA defeated Iraq at war, occupying the entire country. About 18 years later (not 10-15, you lie as usual) it withdrew almost all of its forces (there are still about 2,000 US troops in Iraq).

    The USSR defeated Germany at war, but withdrew after 45 years.

    Any analogy will have differences. Here it’s a difference of 27 years for the withdrawal. You can be desperate and focus on the differences.

    In both cases it is stupid to conclude: USA or the USSR lost the wars. They each won their wars, but lost what came after.

    They each won their wars, and in both cases the victories were undone in separate struggles. Saddam and the Baathist state and military were defeated, conquered, occupied and erased by the Americans, but US couldn’t (or rather refused to) hold power over the Shiite-dominated Iraqi state that followed the defeat of Baathist Iraq. Hitler and the Nazi state and military were defeated, conquered, occupied and erased by the Soviets (mostly), but the Soviets lost the Cold War and lost Central and Eastern Europe to the democracies that replaced the defeated Nazi state and its order.

    What exactly is the difference between an “insurgency” and a war?

    What is the difference between Saddam and the Baathist state whom the Americans crushed, and the Shiites who took over later and to whom America gave the country by leaving?

    Are you next going to argue that “Russia” won World War I because Soviet soldiers occupied Berlin 28 years after 1917?

    If Ukies think they are fighting the war for survival, for their very existence (and you agree), one would expect more willingness to put themselves on the line

    At the moment Russia is being contained and failing in it goal to conquer Ukraine, so the situation is not one of survival. It was more like that in February 2022. Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so. People in places like Kiev are no longer worried that the Russians will conquer their homes and kill them. The Russians are stuck in the far East and South. And yet many still fight.

    But, you are on to something with the migrant boats – yes, most people no matter what they say don’t care enough. We will try to figure out in the future why that was – we will not be able to explain it to our kids. So yes, I actually agree with you there: they care and we don’t care enough…

    Because this, too, is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France long before they come to you. So you live your life in Slovakia. You don’t patrol the Italian coast.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    Are you next going to argue that “Russia” won World War I because Soviet soldiers occupied Berlin 28 years after 1917?
     
    I wouldn't, but it sounds like you would. 27 years, my friend, is a vey looooong time (and 45 years even more). Your incoherence and twisted mind are really something...US lost in Iraq-Afghanistan, and Russia won WW2. See, is that so hard?

    ...What is the difference between Saddam and the Shiites who took over
     
    The Shiites are Iran's ally. US lost the war.

    Russia is being contained...so the situation is not one of survival... Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so.
     
    What? There is no such thing as little survival or big survival - survival is binary. By the time it is acute it is by definition too late...it sounds like you really don't want to fight for it, it would be too hard, the mud, blood and cold. I don't blame you, but don't talk big if you are not willing to put your own skin in the game.

    it is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France...
     
    I was talking about the Westies not us. They don't seem too worried. France has 15 million Third world migrants, UK around 12 million...in W Euro thetotal is aronud 75 million. I suspect they will go from non-acute to resignation very quickly.

    On the Mexico border 10 million have come. But no big deal, with the relatives that's only about 30 to 50 million (I am being modest)...and if J Johnson has his way and Biden stays, that will be another 10 million. But why worry?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Because this, too, is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France long before they come to you. So you live your life in Slovakia. You don’t patrol the Italian coast.

     

    The financial opportunities for them are also probably less attractive for them in Slovakia. A lot of times migrants go where the most money is.
  159. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Fortunately for the Russians, these ships do not seem critical to the SMO. These sinkings are probably keeping US aircraft carrier officers up at night.

    The Russian Navy has some capability to defend against these type of attacks, but most vessels do not have the equipment.

    Like many drone attacks these may need to be stopped at the source, which probably puts civilians in harm's way. I guess we will see how many ships Russia is willing to lose.

    These videos remind me of the African Queen -- the ship in the movie, not the former President :) See minute 1:00.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6gDlWzKw

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Fortunately for the Russians, these ships do not seem critical to the SMO.

    I wouldn’t be certain of that. It was another landing ship.

    Putin could very well be entertaining the idea of trying to pull a Gallipoli.

    Ukraine supposedly has paid rats within the Russian military. There could have been hints that the landing ships needed to be sunk.

    These videos remind me of the African Queen — the ship in the movie, not the former President 🙂 See minute 1:00

    What was that classic movie where the Japanese are tossed in the water with life jackets and they are all gunned down?

  160. @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    Some interesting information. Can you provide an accompanying article that helps to explain in greater detail what exactly these figures represent?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel

    Some interesting information. Can you provide an accompanying article that helps to explain in greater detail what exactly these figures represent?

    Let me explain in simple terms what those figures represent. They represent the US government getting its hand in your pocket, mine and everyone else’s in America in order to incur in those expenses. A part of the money thus collected from all of us goes to the pockets of a small fraction of Americans in some states, as detailed in the map.

    However, since the US has been running public deficits for many years now, these military expenses only add to the debt and the money thus collected actually goes to finance that debt. If in fact this historically high level of debt ever gets repaid, these expenses will have to continue being paid by our children and perhaps our grandchildren. If the US eventually defaults, these military expenses that only benefit a small minority will be another nail in the coffin of the US economic demise.

    That’s what those figures represent.

    Another way of looking at it is to imagine the US government adding to its debt by spending tens of billions of dollars in an expansion of the corn industry in order to give away massive amounts of corn subproducts to some foreign nation. We would all have to pay for that expansion but surely the Department of Agriculture would also produce beautiful maps showing how some states benefit from that ruinous deficit spending and people like sudden death could also post them in the hopes that people like you get the idea that it’s just a fantastic investment for those Americans with no cost for anybody else.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    If in fact this historically high level of debt ever gets repaid...
     
    We don't know what is going to happen, but we know for sure that the debt will never get paid. It would be mathematically impossible. They can inflate out of it, but we are talking Zimbabwe or Germany in 1923.

    A little known fact is that the 1923 inflation allowed Germany to get out of their huge payments to the WW1 veterans, widows, etc. The same could happen with the dollar obligations, but given the societal risk they will postpone it as long as possible...

    In their defense most of the West is stuck in a dig-and-fill-holes economy: anything that can be justified as economic activity will be added to the GNP. Making weapons is not that different. But remember, inflation is 3% and unemployment 2%...or is it?

    When you live by numbers, you will eventually die by numbers...

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @sudden death
    @Mikel

    USA is also biggest weaponry exporter, out there so all those expenses will come back eventually and reduce US trade deficit. Also all old Soviet stocks are being vacuumed into UA theatre from all sides and replacement will be needed, so it's gonna be lots of US new production bought instead.

    Just one example - UA was given roughly about 25-30 HIMARS in all modifications, but just Poland alone is gonna buy it for 10 billion, so a single contract inserts back into US economy roughly 17% of those 60 billion for UA in new aid package:


    The US State Department has approved the sale of 18 HIMARS rocket launchers and almost 500 launcher loader module kits along with ammunition to Poland, which is seeking to bolster its defence capabilities in the face of Russia’s war in neighbouring Ukraine.

    The deal could amount to up to $10 billion, said the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA). The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin, Grand Prairie, TX
     

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/02/08/poland-to-buy-10-billion-in-himars-rocket-launchers-and-ammunition/

    Replies: @Mikel

  161. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut
     
    Bakhmut was the pre-Soviet name for it, as it was called under the Tsars.

    In 1924, the city's name was changed from Bakhmut to Artemivsk, in honour of the Bolshevik leader Fyodor Sergeyev, who was known as Comrade Artem (or Artyom)

    "Artemovsk" is like "Leningrad", "Sverdlovsk", etc.

    You are from Donbas and don't even know that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    In 1924, the city’s name was changed from Bakhmut to Artemivsk, in honour of the Bolshevik leader Fyodor Sergeyev, who was known as Comrade Artem (or Artyom)
    You are from Donbas and don’t even know that.

    I sure know that. I don’t know much about “comrade Artyom” (frankly, considering when he was active, I don’t think he was a nice fellow), but today’s difference between Bahmut and Artemovsk has nothing to do with him. It is a symbol of Ukie defeat, no more, no less.

  162. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk).

    Yes I'm sure the former residents will be thrilled with the liberation.

    Looks like they are liberating every building from being habitable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOmxPsh4S60

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value.

    It doesn't have much strategic value and both sides know that Ukraine will most likely abandon it when encircled. Kind of a duh.

    Ukraine is defending it because Putin wants to capture it before the presidency and is recklessly rushing in forces the old fashioned Russian way.

    The defensive has the strong advantage in this war. Just read this article:

    Over 900 Russian soldiers and 11 tanks downed in past 24-hours - Ukrainian General Staff
    https://news.yahoo.com/over-900-russian-soldiers-11-103000417.html

    There are Russian soldiers on video talking about how Putin is sending meat waves at Avdiivka so it isn't propaganda. Ukraine has chosen to defend and incur losses against Russia. It's the right move.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    Just read this article:

    Over 900 Russian soldiers and 11 tanks downed in past 24-hours – Ukrainian General Staff
    https://news.yahoo.com.……

    Yahoo “news”… Ukrainian General Staff … LOL

    This is the guy who scoffs at Scott Ritter.

    Anyway, everybody seems to think that Avdiivka is close to falling. It’s difficult to understand why civilians still live in downtown Donetsk but, based on precedent, if I was one of them I would get out for a while.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    Skepticism is warranted for numbers from either side but the Ukrainians are undoubtedly blowing up a lot of Russian tanks and APCs.

    Have a look at this graveyard of armored vehicles in Avidiika
    https://youtu.be/gq3tzTMin7o?list=PLaSmZzpoLC6bo0A1QqWvNWh6zsda8xSzD&t=15

    Russian POWs have described themselves as being sent in mindless meat wave attacks.

    11 tanks in 24 hours is entirely reasonable.

    The Russians keep sending in armored columns of 5-8 vehicles and then get hung up by drones or mines.

    Ukraine is trying to destroy as many vehicles and men as they can before withdrawing.

    Same strategy as Bakhmut but they are now much better at it. They have drones that can disable a T-90.

    We will probably see some nasty urban combat before they withdraw. If Putin tries to use his Nepalese mercs in urban combat it will be a bloodbath. I've seen video of them practicing and it was sad.

    Replies: @sudden death

  163. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Just read this article:

    Over 900 Russian soldiers and 11 tanks downed in past 24-hours – Ukrainian General Staff
    https://news.yahoo.com.......
     
    Yahoo "news"... Ukrainian General Staff ... LOL

    This is the guy who scoffs at Scott Ritter.

    Anyway, everybody seems to think that Avdiivka is close to falling. It's difficult to understand why civilians still live in downtown Donetsk but, based on precedent, if I was one of them I would get out for a while.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Skepticism is warranted for numbers from either side but the Ukrainians are undoubtedly blowing up a lot of Russian tanks and APCs.

    Have a look at this graveyard of armored vehicles in Avidiika

    Russian POWs have described themselves as being sent in mindless meat wave attacks.

    11 tanks in 24 hours is entirely reasonable.

    The Russians keep sending in armored columns of 5-8 vehicles and then get hung up by drones or mines.

    Ukraine is trying to destroy as many vehicles and men as they can before withdrawing.

    Same strategy as Bakhmut but they are now much better at it. They have drones that can disable a T-90.

    We will probably see some nasty urban combat before they withdraw. If Putin tries to use his Nepalese mercs in urban combat it will be a bloodbath. I’ve seen video of them practicing and it was sad.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @John Johnson

    There's plenty of destroyed RF military tech around Avdeevka, but in spite of narrative, this particular action video has nothing to do with it, those views are from Kherson airport after shelling in 2022, can even be seen part of (KH)ERSON big wordsign in Cyrilic scripture on a building at around 1:50 min.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  164. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    Skepticism is warranted for numbers from either side but the Ukrainians are undoubtedly blowing up a lot of Russian tanks and APCs.

    Have a look at this graveyard of armored vehicles in Avidiika
    https://youtu.be/gq3tzTMin7o?list=PLaSmZzpoLC6bo0A1QqWvNWh6zsda8xSzD&t=15

    Russian POWs have described themselves as being sent in mindless meat wave attacks.

    11 tanks in 24 hours is entirely reasonable.

    The Russians keep sending in armored columns of 5-8 vehicles and then get hung up by drones or mines.

    Ukraine is trying to destroy as many vehicles and men as they can before withdrawing.

    Same strategy as Bakhmut but they are now much better at it. They have drones that can disable a T-90.

    We will probably see some nasty urban combat before they withdraw. If Putin tries to use his Nepalese mercs in urban combat it will be a bloodbath. I've seen video of them practicing and it was sad.

    Replies: @sudden death

    There’s plenty of destroyed RF military tech around Avdeevka, but in spite of narrative, this particular action video has nothing to do with it, those views are from Kherson airport after shelling in 2022, can even be seen part of (KH)ERSON big wordsign in Cyrilic scripture on a building at around 1:50 min.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    this particular action video has nothing to do with it,
     
    Hey, you are not supposed to expose liars in your camp. This is the job of the opposite camp.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

  165. @sudden death
    @John Johnson

    There's plenty of destroyed RF military tech around Avdeevka, but in spite of narrative, this particular action video has nothing to do with it, those views are from Kherson airport after shelling in 2022, can even be seen part of (KH)ERSON big wordsign in Cyrilic scripture on a building at around 1:50 min.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    this particular action video has nothing to do with it,

    Hey, you are not supposed to expose liars in your camp. This is the job of the opposite camp.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Next article on the same page from JJ:

    "Avdiivka’s capture would yield little strategic advantage for Russia — Bloomberg"

    :)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    JJ knew it was a fake...they all know. How is posting fake videos helping the cause beats me. Russians know what's going on, and so do the hapless Ukies on the front lines.

    I watched a German news-journal from March 1945, and guess what? They were "winning", the Asiat-Russkies were running away. That's what they called them, they never mentioned the Ukies for some reason. These guys are repeating in a more comical way the Nazi narrative...

    Yes, it is sad. In so many different ways...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  166. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    this particular action video has nothing to do with it,
     
    Hey, you are not supposed to expose liars in your camp. This is the job of the opposite camp.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

    Next article on the same page from JJ:

    “Avdiivka’s capture would yield little strategic advantage for Russia — Bloomberg”

    🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    “Avdiivka’s capture would yield little strategic advantage for Russia — Bloomberg”
     
    Civilians in long-suffering Donetsk beg to differ.

    But this confirms what I said in comment #140: Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value. Apparently, the masters already prepare their sheeple for yet another Ukie defeat.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I said months ago that they will probably give up Avidiika. That's in my history so no need to speculate on my future comments.

    It's too far from the current supply lines.

    Avidiika was majority Ukranian but will now just be a desolate wasteland. That must be the liberation that the dwarf defenders speak of.

    Those of you that think Russia doesn't have massive tank losses in Avidiika can go ahead and explain why the Ukrainians came across this tank from 1956:

    https://youtu.be/dTcECJml1vI?t=137

    Note the welded cope cage but it has identifications from the 1956 uprising.

    A Bradley can chew through a tank that old like a pop can.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  167. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Next article on the same page from JJ:

    "Avdiivka’s capture would yield little strategic advantage for Russia — Bloomberg"

    :)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

    “Avdiivka’s capture would yield little strategic advantage for Russia — Bloomberg”

    Civilians in long-suffering Donetsk beg to differ.

    But this confirms what I said in comment #140: Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value. Apparently, the masters already prepare their sheeple for yet another Ukie defeat.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AnonfromTN

    Donetsk's and Luhansk's civilians were suffering because they were not incorporated into the Russian Reich back in 2014. They were left out in the cold while Crimeans got to enjoy the warmth of the Russian Reich. I'm serious here.

    "Tyeplota Reicha!"

  168. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    this particular action video has nothing to do with it,
     
    Hey, you are not supposed to expose liars in your camp. This is the job of the opposite camp.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

    JJ knew it was a fake…they all know. How is posting fake videos helping the cause beats me. Russians know what’s going on, and so do the hapless Ukies on the front lines.

    I watched a German news-journal from March 1945, and guess what? They were “winning”, the Asiat-Russkies were running away. That’s what they called them, they never mentioned the Ukies for some reason. These guys are repeating in a more comical way the Nazi narrative…

    Yes, it is sad. In so many different ways…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    JJ knew it was a fake…they all know.
     
    I think you are giving to much credit to rank-and-file propagandists. To know you need to think. For a propagandist thinking is a no-no, totally verboten.

    But Ukies are certainly “winning”, exactly like their idol Hitler in 1945.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

  169. @Mikel
    @Mr. Hack


    Some interesting information. Can you provide an accompanying article that helps to explain in greater detail what exactly these figures represent?
     
    Let me explain in simple terms what those figures represent. They represent the US government getting its hand in your pocket, mine and everyone else's in America in order to incur in those expenses. A part of the money thus collected from all of us goes to the pockets of a small fraction of Americans in some states, as detailed in the map.

    However, since the US has been running public deficits for many years now, these military expenses only add to the debt and the money thus collected actually goes to finance that debt. If in fact this historically high level of debt ever gets repaid, these expenses will have to continue being paid by our children and perhaps our grandchildren. If the US eventually defaults, these military expenses that only benefit a small minority will be another nail in the coffin of the US economic demise.

    That's what those figures represent.

    Another way of looking at it is to imagine the US government adding to its debt by spending tens of billions of dollars in an expansion of the corn industry in order to give away massive amounts of corn subproducts to some foreign nation. We would all have to pay for that expansion but surely the Department of Agriculture would also produce beautiful maps showing how some states benefit from that ruinous deficit spending and people like sudden death could also post them in the hopes that people like you get the idea that it's just a fantastic investment for those Americans with no cost for anybody else.

    Replies: @Beckow, @sudden death

    If in fact this historically high level of debt ever gets repaid…

    We don’t know what is going to happen, but we know for sure that the debt will never get paid. It would be mathematically impossible. They can inflate out of it, but we are talking Zimbabwe or Germany in 1923.

    A little known fact is that the 1923 inflation allowed Germany to get out of their huge payments to the WW1 veterans, widows, etc. The same could happen with the dollar obligations, but given the societal risk they will postpone it as long as possible…

    In their defense most of the West is stuck in a dig-and-fill-holes economy: anything that can be justified as economic activity will be added to the GNP. Making weapons is not that different. But remember, inflation is 3% and unemployment 2%…or is it?

    When you live by numbers, you will eventually die by numbers…

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Beckow


    we know for sure that the debt will never get paid
     
    Well, I am not sure about too many things in economics. But there certainly are only 3 possibilities: i) The 34 trillion of debt is paid back (but that would necessarily be a multi-generational effort: the economy doesn't produce enough real goods to pay those sums back any other way), ii) The debt, as you say, is diluted through inflation but, even if that doesn't result in hyperinflation, it would be long years of high inflation that would make people poorer, especially in the low income segments, with all the attendant social and political costs iii) The debt bubble, like all previous and future bubbles, ends up exploding.

    I think I would favor iii. On the one hand, when something cannot go on forever, it tends to stop. On the other hand, nobody's serious about doing anything about it and politicians keep adding to the already stratospheric levels of debt. I wonder how many congressmen are even aware that the US has never had this amount of outstanding debt in all of its history. $100B extra for Ukraine? OK, but only if we add another $14B for Israel and let's throw in some $20B also for the border so that we can all get something and make it prettier.

    I remember the years of the housing bubble. In retrospect, it was so obvious that it couldn't go on forever. People taking mortgages for second and third residences and prices going up with no ceiling in sight. Why didn't everyone realize that it was unsustainable until it was too late? If anything, I'd say that the debt bubble (artificially created by the Western central banks as a cure for the recession caused by the housing bubble) is even more obvious and undisguised. But what do I know really? All these very brainy people with PhDs running the Fed, the ECB and the BOJ must have some sort of plan, other than kicking the ball down the road, and fully realize the consequences of what they're doing..... I guess.

    Replies: @Beckow

  170. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    JJ knew it was a fake...they all know. How is posting fake videos helping the cause beats me. Russians know what's going on, and so do the hapless Ukies on the front lines.

    I watched a German news-journal from March 1945, and guess what? They were "winning", the Asiat-Russkies were running away. That's what they called them, they never mentioned the Ukies for some reason. These guys are repeating in a more comical way the Nazi narrative...

    Yes, it is sad. In so many different ways...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    JJ knew it was a fake…they all know.

    I think you are giving to much credit to rank-and-file propagandists. To know you need to think. For a propagandist thinking is a no-no, totally verboten.

    But Ukies are certainly “winning”, exactly like their idol Hitler in 1945.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...you are giving to much credit to rank-and-file propagandists
     
    I am a nice guy and they don't have it easy...even marketers need better material...:)
    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    But Ukies are certainly “winning”, exactly like their idol Hitler in 1945.

     

    In 1945, the Soviets were in Berlin.

    In Ukraine, the Russians were driven out of Kiev’s suburbs almost 2 years ago and are held at more or less stalemate with only 8% of territory taken since 2022. They might take Avdiivka soon.

    Only someone with you left deep knowledge would claim it’s “exactly” like 1945 lol.
  171. @AP
    @Beckow


    USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared…

    If you don’t see the difference between 10-15 and 45 years
     

    In both cases the fruits of military victory over the conventional army were erased.

    The USA defeated Iraq at war, occupying the entire country. About 18 years later (not 10-15, you lie as usual) it withdrew almost all of its forces (there are still about 2,000 US troops in Iraq).

    The USSR defeated Germany at war, but withdrew after 45 years.

    Any analogy will have differences. Here it's a difference of 27 years for the withdrawal. You can be desperate and focus on the differences.

    In both cases it is stupid to conclude: USA or the USSR lost the wars. They each won their wars, but lost what came after.

    They each won their wars, and in both cases the victories were undone in separate struggles. Saddam and the Baathist state and military were defeated, conquered, occupied and erased by the Americans, but US couldn't (or rather refused to) hold power over the Shiite-dominated Iraqi state that followed the defeat of Baathist Iraq. Hitler and the Nazi state and military were defeated, conquered, occupied and erased by the Soviets (mostly), but the Soviets lost the Cold War and lost Central and Eastern Europe to the democracies that replaced the defeated Nazi state and its order.


    What exactly is the difference between an “insurgency” and a war?
     
    What is the difference between Saddam and the Baathist state whom the Americans crushed, and the Shiites who took over later and to whom America gave the country by leaving?

    Are you next going to argue that "Russia" won World War I because Soviet soldiers occupied Berlin 28 years after 1917?


    If Ukies think they are fighting the war for survival, for their very existence (and you agree), one would expect more willingness to put themselves on the line
     
    At the moment Russia is being contained and failing in it goal to conquer Ukraine, so the situation is not one of survival. It was more like that in February 2022. Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so. People in places like Kiev are no longer worried that the Russians will conquer their homes and kill them. The Russians are stuck in the far East and South. And yet many still fight.

    But, you are on to something with the migrant boats – yes, most people no matter what they say don’t care enough. We will try to figure out in the future why that was – we will not be able to explain it to our kids. So yes, I actually agree with you there: they care and we don’t care enough…
     
    Because this, too, is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France long before they come to you. So you live your life in Slovakia. You don't patrol the Italian coast.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Are you next going to argue that “Russia” won World War I because Soviet soldiers occupied Berlin 28 years after 1917?

    I wouldn’t, but it sounds like you would. 27 years, my friend, is a vey looooong time (and 45 years even more). Your incoherence and twisted mind are really something…US lost in Iraq-Afghanistan, and Russia won WW2. See, is that so hard?

    …What is the difference between Saddam and the Shiites who took over

    The Shiites are Iran’s ally. US lost the war.

    Russia is being contained…so the situation is not one of survival… Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so.

    What? There is no such thing as little survival or big survival – survival is binary. By the time it is acute it is by definition too late…it sounds like you really don’t want to fight for it, it would be too hard, the mud, blood and cold. I don’t blame you, but don’t talk big if you are not willing to put your own skin in the game.

    it is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France…

    I was talking about the Westies not us. They don’t seem too worried. France has 15 million Third world migrants, UK around 12 million…in W Euro thetotal is aronud 75 million. I suspect they will go from non-acute to resignation very quickly.

    On the Mexico border 10 million have come. But no big deal, with the relatives that’s only about 30 to 50 million (I am being modest)…and if J Johnson has his way and Biden stays, that will be another 10 million. But why worry?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    On the Mexico border 10 million have come. But no big deal, with the relatives that’s only about 30 to 50 million (I am being modest)…and if J Johnson has his way and Biden stays, that will be another 10 million. But why worry?
     
    Why worry? Most of them are at least 25+% European by ancestry or the immediate family members of someone who is (if they will come to the US together with this family member) and thus good enough for an Israeli-style white ethno-state anyway.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    I wouldn’t, but it sounds like you would. 27 years, my friend, is a vey looooong time (and 45 years even more
     
    But 18 years is not a long time?

    You use whatever number happens to be convenient for you.


    US lost in Iraq-Afghanistan, and Russia won WW2
     
    2 out of 3 incorrect statements in one sentence.

    US defeated Saddam Hussein, seized his capital, had him executed, and conquered his country completely. It won’t be Iraq war. After defeated Saddam and eliminating his state, the USA created elections and allowed a new Shiite (enemy of Saddam) government to take power. It helped the Shiites to defeat an ISIS rebellion. 18 years after defeating Saddam’s Iraq, the USA withdrew and gave the country more or less fully to the anti-Saddam government that the USA had allowed to get into power. Though there are still around 2,000 American soldiers in Iraq. This government is friendly to America’s enemy Iran.

    Not Russia, but a union of Russia, Ukraine, Central Asia, and the Caucuses led by a Georgian defeated the Nazis. Russia wouldn’t have stood a chance.

    You are right about the USA being defeated in Afghanistan, though it’s not how you wish it was. USA wasn’t forcibly driven out or beaten on the battlefield, it decided that fighting wasn’t worth it anymore so it left and it’s enemies took over. The Soviet defeat was similar IIRC.


    The Shiites are Iran’s ally. US lost the war
     
    The German Christian Democrats and Socialists were the USA’s ally. The Soviets lost the war.

    You see how stupid your argument is?


    Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so.

    What? There is no such thing as little survival or big survival – survival is binary
     

    Do you know what acute means?

    Binary has nothing to do with it.

    Russia posed a potential existential threat to Ukraine in February-March 2022 until it’s forces were defeated outside Kiev and stopped in the East and South. It continues to pose a longer term existential threat and will do so until it withdraws or until Ukraine has a an iron-clad deterrent such as NATO membership, it’s own nukes, or some other severe deterrent (US or British peacekeepers on its soil? Mass drone swarms capable of destroying Moscow?).

    But Ukraine is no longer in immediate danger of being defeated and occupied, as it seemingly was in February 2022. But the longer term threat is still there, the war is ongoing.


    it sounds like you really don’t want to fight for it, it would be too hard, the mud, blood and cold
     
    None of the pro-Russian commenters here do. And none of the anti-immigration commenters here are on their country’s border walking around the hot Texas or Arizona desert. So?

    If the Muslims or Africans take over the West they will move into your lands next. Or maybe the fleeing Germans will, and you will be outnumbered in your own homeland. So why aren’t you manning a boat on the Mediterranean? Or at least making large donations to those who do? I guess you don’t really care, by your logic.

    I’m around 50, have no military experience, have kids dependent on my income for university etc. Doubt my wife could manage the mortgage by herself, especially with access to income from Moscow rental property being cut off by Swift system sanctioning Russia. So I never urge or tell people there that they should fight- it’s not my choice to make for them. But I pointed out to you before the invasion that they will fight and I was right. And they continue to fight. And I support them when they have made the decision to do so. And donate to pay for equipment, tourniquets, etc. I brought lots of packages over to Poland in 2022. I suspect that this is much more than you have done for Europe’s border.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

  172. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you see the reports that Macron canceled his trip to Ukraine because the French spooks exposed a plan to assassinate him and blame it on Russian spooks?

    All the main outlets report is that he canceled his trip.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Matra

    It’s obviously fake.

  173. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    Putin is most likely doing everything he can to avoid conscripting from the middle class urban Slavs.
     
    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia’s two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).

    Interestingly the British did the exact opposite in WW1. Sons of the upper class and military families were gunned down first. They all eagerly went to the front to get their glory and out of a sense of duty.

    British support for the war of course remained but it was probably the most dysgenic period in European history. Their best warriors were gunned down and then well after British finally adapted to the machine gun they started sending in conscripts.


    That includes offering to pay mercenaries and then making excuses to pay their families when they are dead.
     
    Do these mercenaries get Russian citizenship if they survive?

    Probably since it is so unlikely that they will survive the war. They're short on labor in some areas so any survivors probably will get citizenship.

    Putin is playing the same game with all of them. The dump conscripts or mercs in the field and then report them as MIA. No payments to the families on the basis of not knowing what happened. They leave the families in limbo when both sides that they were killed. An incredibly dirty practice. Even the Romans paid their mercenaries.

    There is no medivac for them and they won't get paid if they are captured. I think they are mainly used as bait for the artillery. They drop them in remote pockets and then Ukrainians either hunt them down with drones or bring in a squad.

    What Ukraine should do is offer bounties for them to flip.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Interestingly the British did the exact opposite in WW1. Sons of the upper class and military families were gunned down first. They all eagerly went to the front to get their glory and out of a sense of duty.

    That was voluntary on their own part, though, so there was no huge backlash to them sacrificing themselves.

    British support for the war of course remained but it was probably the most dysgenic period in European history. Their best warriors were gunned down and then well after British finally adapted to the machine gun they started sending in conscripts.

    I’d be very fine with an alternate TL where there is no WWI just so long as the US still eventually purchases the Danish West Indies (later renamed the US Virgin Islands) anyway.

  174. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    JJ knew it was a fake…they all know.
     
    I think you are giving to much credit to rank-and-file propagandists. To know you need to think. For a propagandist thinking is a no-no, totally verboten.

    But Ukies are certainly “winning”, exactly like their idol Hitler in 1945.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    …you are giving to much credit to rank-and-file propagandists

    I am a nice guy and they don’t have it easy…even marketers need better material…:)

  175. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Yep, Putin understood the lessons of 1917 very well. Specifically not to destabilize the situation in Russia’s two historic capitals (Moscow and St. Petersburg).
     
    Correct.

    This implies certain potential limits for Russia - it might not be able bring all of its 140 million people to bear in this war. Relying on losers such as convicts, desperately poor volunteers from the provinces, and national minorities has enabled Russia to conduct this war for 2 years with no real unrest. How much longer until these people start to run out, and Russia will start mobilising normal middle class people to get their guts blown out in some fields in southern Ukraine while Chechen blocking units stand guard behind them? One more year? Six months? Two years? The supply of convicts and people from small towns is not limitless. It will start in the large but important provincial cities like Novosibirsk or Yekaterinburg before reaching Moscow.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Agreed with your analysis here, AP, and this is a problem with Russia’s most patriotic areas being provincial ones, specifically rural areas and small towns. In contrast, a lot of Ukraine’s patriots hail from large cities such as Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Vinnytsia, Zhytomyr, Sumy, Chernihiv, Poltava, et cetera. Thus, one can say that Ukraine has been more successful at inducing mass patriotism (certainly mass nationalism) in its large cities relative to Russia. Maybe it’s in part because Ukrainian nationalism is more of an “oppressed people nationalism” than Russian nationalism (which is more of an “oppressor nationalism”) is, which in turn appeals more to the rootless cosmopolitans who live in cities.

    As a side note, one wonders if Russia could and would have avoided one or both of its 1917 revolutions had it succeeded in shielding both Moscow and St. Petersburg from the worst effects of World War I, and of course also aggressively stationed both of them with loyal troops as opposed to sending all of its loyal troops to the front.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. XYZ

    A lot of the Russians currently being KIA are not from the professional soldier cadre or even reservists but totally expendable convicts. The average age of Ukrainian soldiers is well into the 40s, and there are lots of young men, especially on places like Kiev, who are not being called up for political reasons; is Ukraine really doing everything it can? Sadly neither side is in a desperate situation, close to a political nervous breakdown, or without resources to adjust to an increased level of opposition.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  176. @AP
    @Beckow


    USSR lost its war against Germany because USSR disappeared…

    If you don’t see the difference between 10-15 and 45 years
     

    In both cases the fruits of military victory over the conventional army were erased.

    The USA defeated Iraq at war, occupying the entire country. About 18 years later (not 10-15, you lie as usual) it withdrew almost all of its forces (there are still about 2,000 US troops in Iraq).

    The USSR defeated Germany at war, but withdrew after 45 years.

    Any analogy will have differences. Here it's a difference of 27 years for the withdrawal. You can be desperate and focus on the differences.

    In both cases it is stupid to conclude: USA or the USSR lost the wars. They each won their wars, but lost what came after.

    They each won their wars, and in both cases the victories were undone in separate struggles. Saddam and the Baathist state and military were defeated, conquered, occupied and erased by the Americans, but US couldn't (or rather refused to) hold power over the Shiite-dominated Iraqi state that followed the defeat of Baathist Iraq. Hitler and the Nazi state and military were defeated, conquered, occupied and erased by the Soviets (mostly), but the Soviets lost the Cold War and lost Central and Eastern Europe to the democracies that replaced the defeated Nazi state and its order.


    What exactly is the difference between an “insurgency” and a war?
     
    What is the difference between Saddam and the Baathist state whom the Americans crushed, and the Shiites who took over later and to whom America gave the country by leaving?

    Are you next going to argue that "Russia" won World War I because Soviet soldiers occupied Berlin 28 years after 1917?


    If Ukies think they are fighting the war for survival, for their very existence (and you agree), one would expect more willingness to put themselves on the line
     
    At the moment Russia is being contained and failing in it goal to conquer Ukraine, so the situation is not one of survival. It was more like that in February 2022. Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so. People in places like Kiev are no longer worried that the Russians will conquer their homes and kill them. The Russians are stuck in the far East and South. And yet many still fight.

    But, you are on to something with the migrant boats – yes, most people no matter what they say don’t care enough. We will try to figure out in the future why that was – we will not be able to explain it to our kids. So yes, I actually agree with you there: they care and we don’t care enough…
     
    Because this, too, is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France long before they come to you. So you live your life in Slovakia. You don't patrol the Italian coast.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Because this, too, is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France long before they come to you. So you live your life in Slovakia. You don’t patrol the Italian coast.

    The financial opportunities for them are also probably less attractive for them in Slovakia. A lot of times migrants go where the most money is.

  177. Thwarting Uniparty efforts to make things worse is the #1 goal of the MAGA House. They did well in 2023: (1)

    Word has gone out for the media from Certified Smart People: attack the Republican House for being the least productive Congress in decades in terms of the number of bills actually passed. This shows how out of touch they are, since “Do-Nothing Congress” is one of the happiest phrases around for anyone acquainted with Gideon Tucker’s famous axiom, “No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”

    Anyway, here’s the chart that is supposed to scandalize all decent citizens:

     

    Let’s hope they can hold the line and insist that the Senate deliver a bill that will DECREASE migration. Making Title 42 mandatory & permanent would be an excellent start.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/the-daily-chart-do-nothing-congress-hooray.php

  178. @AP
    @Vajradhara


    Sorry, but genetic studies prove the Palestinians are far more native to their area than most Jews are.
     
    Genetic studies show that Palestinian Christians are the most native to the area. Palestinian Muslims are mixed with Arabic invaders, and Ashkenazi Jews are about 50% European. The latter, however, are the only ones who maintained their native faith (the language was a LARP though, Hebrew became dead and was artificially revived - Ashkenazi Jews spoke a German dialect, Yiddish).

    But all three groups are descended from the area's natives. One group was exiled ~1800 years ago, maintaining their identity in diaspora while mixing with Europeans. The ones left behind became Christians. Then Arabs conquered their lands, converted most of them and mixed with the converts. And then the exiles triumphantly returned, conquering and establishing hegemony over their (half) brothers.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    If you’re going to use this argument, would you also argue that native Muslim Algerians were more entitled to Algeria than the pieds-noirs were because the pieds-noirs, other than the native Algerian Jews, were the descendants of post-1830 European colonists to Algeria?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Algerian Muslims were conducting slave raids upon the Mediterranean Europeans for generations, so giving up a part of coastal Algeria to French colonists can be viewed as a kind of justice. It is unfortunate that the French didn’t consolidate their Algerians (there were 1.4 million Pied Noir in 1959) into an enclave such as Oran and keep it hole giving the rest to the Arabs and Berbers without trying to occupy them. Would’ve been a nice tourist destination.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  179. @Beckow
    @Mikel


    If in fact this historically high level of debt ever gets repaid...
     
    We don't know what is going to happen, but we know for sure that the debt will never get paid. It would be mathematically impossible. They can inflate out of it, but we are talking Zimbabwe or Germany in 1923.

    A little known fact is that the 1923 inflation allowed Germany to get out of their huge payments to the WW1 veterans, widows, etc. The same could happen with the dollar obligations, but given the societal risk they will postpone it as long as possible...

    In their defense most of the West is stuck in a dig-and-fill-holes economy: anything that can be justified as economic activity will be added to the GNP. Making weapons is not that different. But remember, inflation is 3% and unemployment 2%...or is it?

    When you live by numbers, you will eventually die by numbers...

    Replies: @Mikel

    we know for sure that the debt will never get paid

    Well, I am not sure about too many things in economics. But there certainly are only 3 possibilities: i) The 34 trillion of debt is paid back (but that would necessarily be a multi-generational effort: the economy doesn’t produce enough real goods to pay those sums back any other way), ii) The debt, as you say, is diluted through inflation but, even if that doesn’t result in hyperinflation, it would be long years of high inflation that would make people poorer, especially in the low income segments, with all the attendant social and political costs iii) The debt bubble, like all previous and future bubbles, ends up exploding.

    I think I would favor iii. On the one hand, when something cannot go on forever, it tends to stop. On the other hand, nobody’s serious about doing anything about it and politicians keep adding to the already stratospheric levels of debt. I wonder how many congressmen are even aware that the US has never had this amount of outstanding debt in all of its history. $100B extra for Ukraine? OK, but only if we add another $14B for Israel and let’s throw in some $20B also for the border so that we can all get something and make it prettier.

    I remember the years of the housing bubble. In retrospect, it was so obvious that it couldn’t go on forever. People taking mortgages for second and third residences and prices going up with no ceiling in sight. Why didn’t everyone realize that it was unsustainable until it was too late? If anything, I’d say that the debt bubble (artificially created by the Western central banks as a cure for the recession caused by the housing bubble) is even more obvious and undisguised. But what do I know really? All these very brainy people with PhDs running the Fed, the ECB and the BOJ must have some sort of plan, other than kicking the ball down the road, and fully realize the consequences of what they’re doing….. I guess.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...All these very brainy people with PhDs running the Fed, the ECB and the BOJ must have some sort of plan
     
    They have no plan and they are not brainy. Almost all of them are aspirational mid-wits with no ability or interest in anticipating what will happen. IQ if it has any value is the ability to anticipate...but they don't think that way. They bury themselves in "numbers" that they largely make up based on an imprecise modeling of the real world. They don't challenge anything or anyone because that's the way mid-wits are - that;s why they are running those institutions.

    I agree the most likely is option iii) - it will boom at some point probably triggered by an unusual event. The event will be blamed, the electronic ledgers will adjust, inflation will explode - and something new will start. Maybe in US, maybe not. If you look at monetary history that's the way it always ends - a deus ex machina ending...the gods did it excuse. It works, what does one say to "gods"?

    One reason people in power no longer care about the debt is that they instinctively know that's where it is heading. What's the difference between $34 and $38 trillion? We are in the unraveling phase - the phase where utter irresponsibility and self-serving behavior is actually the most rational way to live. I don't like it - but we are in it, it can't be changed.

    There is no plan so there is nothing to fix. Just live well.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  180. @Beckow
    @AP


    Are you next going to argue that “Russia” won World War I because Soviet soldiers occupied Berlin 28 years after 1917?
     
    I wouldn't, but it sounds like you would. 27 years, my friend, is a vey looooong time (and 45 years even more). Your incoherence and twisted mind are really something...US lost in Iraq-Afghanistan, and Russia won WW2. See, is that so hard?

    ...What is the difference between Saddam and the Shiites who took over
     
    The Shiites are Iran's ally. US lost the war.

    Russia is being contained...so the situation is not one of survival... Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so.
     
    What? There is no such thing as little survival or big survival - survival is binary. By the time it is acute it is by definition too late...it sounds like you really don't want to fight for it, it would be too hard, the mud, blood and cold. I don't blame you, but don't talk big if you are not willing to put your own skin in the game.

    it is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France...
     
    I was talking about the Westies not us. They don't seem too worried. France has 15 million Third world migrants, UK around 12 million...in W Euro thetotal is aronud 75 million. I suspect they will go from non-acute to resignation very quickly.

    On the Mexico border 10 million have come. But no big deal, with the relatives that's only about 30 to 50 million (I am being modest)...and if J Johnson has his way and Biden stays, that will be another 10 million. But why worry?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    On the Mexico border 10 million have come. But no big deal, with the relatives that’s only about 30 to 50 million (I am being modest)…and if J Johnson has his way and Biden stays, that will be another 10 million. But why worry?

    Why worry? Most of them are at least 25+% European by ancestry or the immediate family members of someone who is (if they will come to the US together with this family member) and thus good enough for an Israeli-style white ethno-state anyway.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Two words: tipping point.

    At some point, the cultural and genetic qualities which allowed the USA to blossom may be diluted sufficiently to turn the country into a typical third world hell hole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  181. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    “Avdiivka’s capture would yield little strategic advantage for Russia — Bloomberg”
     
    Civilians in long-suffering Donetsk beg to differ.

    But this confirms what I said in comment #140: Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value. Apparently, the masters already prepare their sheeple for yet another Ukie defeat.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Donetsk’s and Luhansk’s civilians were suffering because they were not incorporated into the Russian Reich back in 2014. They were left out in the cold while Crimeans got to enjoy the warmth of the Russian Reich. I’m serious here.

    “Tyeplota Reicha!”

  182. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    On the Mexico border 10 million have come. But no big deal, with the relatives that’s only about 30 to 50 million (I am being modest)…and if J Johnson has his way and Biden stays, that will be another 10 million. But why worry?
     
    Why worry? Most of them are at least 25+% European by ancestry or the immediate family members of someone who is (if they will come to the US together with this family member) and thus good enough for an Israeli-style white ethno-state anyway.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Two words: tipping point.

    At some point, the cultural and genetic qualities which allowed the USA to blossom may be diluted sufficiently to turn the country into a typical third world hell hole.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    California doesn't strike me as being a hellhole, and I live here! Of course, maybe northern California is worse than southern California. Not sure. I only have deep personal experience with southern California. There's shitting in the streets in San Francisco based on what I've heard, but that's more due to poor city management than due to demographics. My own city is very proud not to accept homeless people, though.

    Texas doesn't strike me as being a hell-hole either, and neither does Florida. The most problematic parts of the US are those with a lot of ghetto blacks. Those parts of the US really are true hellholes. But it isn't mostly blacks or even Muslims who are currently coming across our southern border.

    I would be very happy to accept many more cognitively elitist immigrants, though. That I do want to ensure: As in, the fact that the US will continue to be an attractive place to live both for our own cognitive elites and for foreign cognitive elites.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

  183. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Agreed with your analysis here, AP, and this is a problem with Russia's most patriotic areas being provincial ones, specifically rural areas and small towns. In contrast, a lot of Ukraine's patriots hail from large cities such as Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Vinnytsia, Zhytomyr, Sumy, Chernihiv, Poltava, et cetera. Thus, one can say that Ukraine has been more successful at inducing mass patriotism (certainly mass nationalism) in its large cities relative to Russia. Maybe it's in part because Ukrainian nationalism is more of an "oppressed people nationalism" than Russian nationalism (which is more of an "oppressor nationalism") is, which in turn appeals more to the rootless cosmopolitans who live in cities.

    As a side note, one wonders if Russia could and would have avoided one or both of its 1917 revolutions had it succeeded in shielding both Moscow and St. Petersburg from the worst effects of World War I, and of course also aggressively stationed both of them with loyal troops as opposed to sending all of its loyal troops to the front.

    Replies: @Sean

    A lot of the Russians currently being KIA are not from the professional soldier cadre or even reservists but totally expendable convicts. The average age of Ukrainian soldiers is well into the 40s, and there are lots of young men, especially on places like Kiev, who are not being called up for political reasons; is Ukraine really doing everything it can? Sadly neither side is in a desperate situation, close to a political nervous breakdown, or without resources to adjust to an increased level of opposition.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sean

    Yes, I'm well-aware of both Russia's policy of using convicts and Ukraine's policy of not drafting its young men in the hope that they will breed (more) before they will actually become old enough to be drafted.

    Must suck to be a Ukrainian male old-timer below the pension age right now. You endured 30 years of relative economic stagnation after independence and then this extremely brutal and hellish war.

    , @AP
    @Sean


    A lot of the Russians currently being KIA are not from the professional soldier cadre or even reservists but totally expendable convicts
     
    True, but it’s because many of the elite soldiers were killed off early when it was falsely believed that using them could quickly kill the Ukrainian state. Russia does not have many left.

    Replies: @Sean

  184. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    it would be funny if Musk bought Disney
     
    It would be stupid more than funny. Disney is hemorrhaging money: more than one billion in losses last year. Sensible business action would be to let this ship sink. Besides, Disney would become a lot cheaper after it files for bankruptcy.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @songbird

    it would be funny if Musk bought Disney

    >It would be stupid more than funny

    Well, the main fiscal complaint regarding Disney stock is underperformance and lack of growth. It’s not really tanking in an absolute sense, at least not yet.

    And my own suspicion is that there is a monopoly aspect to the big five studios. Disney though quite woke, might be only modestly more woke than the average, and it is the biggest studio.

    If Musk did buy, it would likely be as part of a consortium, with minimized risks to him. He seems to be motivated by a personal vendetta against Bob Iger. I am sympathetic as I find Iger to be unsavory. But at best, I think it would only take Disney back to the studio average of wokeness. It’s not how I would invest, if a had a few billion to splurge on a cultural project.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I've always wondered why Disney/Marvel haven't been able to put out a "fantastic" Fantastic Four film yet, to this day? They were after all Marvel Groups flagship superheroes during the monumental silver age of comics (1960's - 1970's). The news announcement on Valentine's day indicates that all four heroes are white, and so far none of them seems to be gay. They've got to get it right this time, perhaps their last attempt to score a big hit.

    https://cdn.marvel.com/content/1x/fantastic_four_cast.jpg
    First announcement still seems to have a bit of the woke showing, or is it just me?

    Replies: @songbird

  185. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Two words: tipping point.

    At some point, the cultural and genetic qualities which allowed the USA to blossom may be diluted sufficiently to turn the country into a typical third world hell hole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    California doesn’t strike me as being a hellhole, and I live here! Of course, maybe northern California is worse than southern California. Not sure. I only have deep personal experience with southern California. There’s shitting in the streets in San Francisco based on what I’ve heard, but that’s more due to poor city management than due to demographics. My own city is very proud not to accept homeless people, though.

    Texas doesn’t strike me as being a hell-hole either, and neither does Florida. The most problematic parts of the US are those with a lot of ghetto blacks. Those parts of the US really are true hellholes. But it isn’t mostly blacks or even Muslims who are currently coming across our southern border.

    I would be very happy to accept many more cognitively elitist immigrants, though. That I do want to ensure: As in, the fact that the US will continue to be an attractive place to live both for our own cognitive elites and for foreign cognitive elites.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. XYZ

    I left California a couple years ago. Almost everybody I met there did little else but complain about their housing situation. My housing situation was fine. I left because I could not stand Californians and I was born there.

    I was reminded of when I moved to New Orleans. The immigrants complained that it was a shit-hole. (New Orleans is a shit-hole.) The natives complained that the immigrants were always complaining about New Orleans. One of the immigrants made the observation regarding the natives' complaints regarding the immigrants' complaints:


    Have you ever lived any where else?
     
    , @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Two concerns made worse by the ongoing unreasonable illegal immigration are social fragility and instability. If we have a downturn, even a moderate 2008-style slow down I think you will find there are many scary problems in your day-to-day existence all made worse by a high percentage of unassimilated and often illegal immigrants.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  186. @Sean
    @Mr. XYZ

    A lot of the Russians currently being KIA are not from the professional soldier cadre or even reservists but totally expendable convicts. The average age of Ukrainian soldiers is well into the 40s, and there are lots of young men, especially on places like Kiev, who are not being called up for political reasons; is Ukraine really doing everything it can? Sadly neither side is in a desperate situation, close to a political nervous breakdown, or without resources to adjust to an increased level of opposition.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Yes, I’m well-aware of both Russia’s policy of using convicts and Ukraine’s policy of not drafting its young men in the hope that they will breed (more) before they will actually become old enough to be drafted.

    Must suck to be a Ukrainian male old-timer below the pension age right now. You endured 30 years of relative economic stagnation after independence and then this extremely brutal and hellish war.

  187. @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    California doesn't strike me as being a hellhole, and I live here! Of course, maybe northern California is worse than southern California. Not sure. I only have deep personal experience with southern California. There's shitting in the streets in San Francisco based on what I've heard, but that's more due to poor city management than due to demographics. My own city is very proud not to accept homeless people, though.

    Texas doesn't strike me as being a hell-hole either, and neither does Florida. The most problematic parts of the US are those with a lot of ghetto blacks. Those parts of the US really are true hellholes. But it isn't mostly blacks or even Muslims who are currently coming across our southern border.

    I would be very happy to accept many more cognitively elitist immigrants, though. That I do want to ensure: As in, the fact that the US will continue to be an attractive place to live both for our own cognitive elites and for foreign cognitive elites.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

    I left California a couple years ago. Almost everybody I met there did little else but complain about their housing situation. My housing situation was fine. I left because I could not stand Californians and I was born there.

    I was reminded of when I moved to New Orleans. The immigrants complained that it was a shit-hole. (New Orleans is a shit-hole.) The natives complained that the immigrants were always complaining about New Orleans. One of the immigrants made the observation regarding the natives’ complaints regarding the immigrants’ complaints:

    Have you ever lived any where else?

  188. I’ve got a question for AP: If it wasn’t for the Bolshevization of Russia, would you say that WWI was almost worth it for Ukrainians since it would have allowed Russian Ukraine to be unified with Galicia (and Subcarpathian Ruthenia, and northern Bukovina) within a Ukrainian federal unit in a liberal, democratic, and federal Greater Russia?

    (I say “almost” because the cost of this for Ukrainians would have still been too high–around one million or so dead Ukrainians as a result of WWI. But it would have still been a huge triumph for the Ukrainian people sans Bolshevism due to the unification of the Ukrainian nation under one entity, ideally a liberal and democratic one.)

  189. @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    California doesn't strike me as being a hellhole, and I live here! Of course, maybe northern California is worse than southern California. Not sure. I only have deep personal experience with southern California. There's shitting in the streets in San Francisco based on what I've heard, but that's more due to poor city management than due to demographics. My own city is very proud not to accept homeless people, though.

    Texas doesn't strike me as being a hell-hole either, and neither does Florida. The most problematic parts of the US are those with a lot of ghetto blacks. Those parts of the US really are true hellholes. But it isn't mostly blacks or even Muslims who are currently coming across our southern border.

    I would be very happy to accept many more cognitively elitist immigrants, though. That I do want to ensure: As in, the fact that the US will continue to be an attractive place to live both for our own cognitive elites and for foreign cognitive elites.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

    Two concerns made worse by the ongoing unreasonable illegal immigration are social fragility and instability. If we have a downturn, even a moderate 2008-style slow down I think you will find there are many scary problems in your day-to-day existence all made worse by a high percentage of unassimilated and often illegal immigrants.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    We already had a lot of illegal immigrants back in 2008-2009 and the world didn't end back then. I was already living in California during this time.

    Replies: @QCIC

  190. Picture of the day !

    Nihang Singh sits calmy on a bike facing police barricades while tear gas shells explode and rubber bullets fly

    Police has fired close to 2000 tear gas shells within last 48 hours

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  191. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    we know for sure that the debt will never get paid
     
    Well, I am not sure about too many things in economics. But there certainly are only 3 possibilities: i) The 34 trillion of debt is paid back (but that would necessarily be a multi-generational effort: the economy doesn't produce enough real goods to pay those sums back any other way), ii) The debt, as you say, is diluted through inflation but, even if that doesn't result in hyperinflation, it would be long years of high inflation that would make people poorer, especially in the low income segments, with all the attendant social and political costs iii) The debt bubble, like all previous and future bubbles, ends up exploding.

    I think I would favor iii. On the one hand, when something cannot go on forever, it tends to stop. On the other hand, nobody's serious about doing anything about it and politicians keep adding to the already stratospheric levels of debt. I wonder how many congressmen are even aware that the US has never had this amount of outstanding debt in all of its history. $100B extra for Ukraine? OK, but only if we add another $14B for Israel and let's throw in some $20B also for the border so that we can all get something and make it prettier.

    I remember the years of the housing bubble. In retrospect, it was so obvious that it couldn't go on forever. People taking mortgages for second and third residences and prices going up with no ceiling in sight. Why didn't everyone realize that it was unsustainable until it was too late? If anything, I'd say that the debt bubble (artificially created by the Western central banks as a cure for the recession caused by the housing bubble) is even more obvious and undisguised. But what do I know really? All these very brainy people with PhDs running the Fed, the ECB and the BOJ must have some sort of plan, other than kicking the ball down the road, and fully realize the consequences of what they're doing..... I guess.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …All these very brainy people with PhDs running the Fed, the ECB and the BOJ must have some sort of plan

    They have no plan and they are not brainy. Almost all of them are aspirational mid-wits with no ability or interest in anticipating what will happen. IQ if it has any value is the ability to anticipate…but they don’t think that way. They bury themselves in “numbers” that they largely make up based on an imprecise modeling of the real world. They don’t challenge anything or anyone because that’s the way mid-wits are – that;s why they are running those institutions.

    I agree the most likely is option iii) – it will boom at some point probably triggered by an unusual event. The event will be blamed, the electronic ledgers will adjust, inflation will explode – and something new will start. Maybe in US, maybe not. If you look at monetary history that’s the way it always ends – a deus ex machina ending…the gods did it excuse. It works, what does one say to “gods”?

    One reason people in power no longer care about the debt is that they instinctively know that’s where it is heading. What’s the difference between $34 and $38 trillion? We are in the unraveling phase – the phase where utter irresponsibility and self-serving behavior is actually the most rational way to live. I don’t like it – but we are in it, it can’t be changed.

    There is no plan so there is nothing to fix. Just live well.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    The plan is that technology is going to exponentially take off with AI, quantum computing, robots, genetics and the trillions debt is going to be much ado about nothing. Have you read about Altman is planning to raise 7 trillion for one project?

    These people are not stupid. They are insane. They believe Elon Musk is going to take us to fluxing Mars. You must not have read the new Karlin manifesto. They are going to edit the African gene pool and turn them all into mannerly betas. Probably don't ask any Africans about this idea would be my idea.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  192. @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...All these very brainy people with PhDs running the Fed, the ECB and the BOJ must have some sort of plan
     
    They have no plan and they are not brainy. Almost all of them are aspirational mid-wits with no ability or interest in anticipating what will happen. IQ if it has any value is the ability to anticipate...but they don't think that way. They bury themselves in "numbers" that they largely make up based on an imprecise modeling of the real world. They don't challenge anything or anyone because that's the way mid-wits are - that;s why they are running those institutions.

    I agree the most likely is option iii) - it will boom at some point probably triggered by an unusual event. The event will be blamed, the electronic ledgers will adjust, inflation will explode - and something new will start. Maybe in US, maybe not. If you look at monetary history that's the way it always ends - a deus ex machina ending...the gods did it excuse. It works, what does one say to "gods"?

    One reason people in power no longer care about the debt is that they instinctively know that's where it is heading. What's the difference between $34 and $38 trillion? We are in the unraveling phase - the phase where utter irresponsibility and self-serving behavior is actually the most rational way to live. I don't like it - but we are in it, it can't be changed.

    There is no plan so there is nothing to fix. Just live well.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The plan is that technology is going to exponentially take off with AI, quantum computing, robots, genetics and the trillions debt is going to be much ado about nothing. Have you read about Altman is planning to raise 7 trillion for one project?

    These people are not stupid. They are insane. They believe Elon Musk is going to take us to fluxing Mars. You must not have read the new Karlin manifesto. They are going to edit the African gene pool and turn them all into mannerly betas. Probably don’t ask any Africans about this idea would be my idea.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    They are going to edit the African gene pool and turn them all into mannerly betas.
     
    Wouldn't it be great if Sub-Saharan Africans and their Diaspora members could be turned into Wakandans, with strongly eugenic fertility and a 130+ average IQ?

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The plan is that technology is going to exponentially take off with AI, quantum computing, robots, genetics and the trillions debt is going to be much ado about nothing...

    These people are not stupid. They are insane.
     

    That's one way to put it. Nothing in the theoretical exponential take-off fixes the debt. They are unrelated - if anything more tech means fewer jobs and having to subsidize consumption even more.

    If there is a plan it would be based on two things:
    - get hold of resources: arable land, water, minerals, energy...
    - cut the global population.

    The elites understand the money part is only the means - it explains the hysteria about Russia: 1/4 of the world's resources and a small population. The goals are basically unreachable: no amount of tech-AI-genes can do it. Most of the elites feel essentially powerless - it is also happening to them they just enjoy it more.

    There is the marginal elite of the busy-body empire builders who get a lot of visibility. They don't do it because they think it will work - only the stupid ones do - but because it is fun and it is all they care about. It is entertainment, distraction from the ennui. (Have you been to the Georgetown dinner parties?...f..k, I would invade Denmark to escape.)

    They plot, invade, lie, watch others die...but are powerless. The stories they tell are skeletons of real life - protagonists are caricatures (look at Zelko or BoJo), narratives always black-and-white, and there is a purpose to give it a meaning. The real life stories don't have a purpose.

    The Africans will be fine, nature rules there, they have high T and stay away from miraculous drugs. And evolution will do its part, eventually.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  193. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    The plan is that technology is going to exponentially take off with AI, quantum computing, robots, genetics and the trillions debt is going to be much ado about nothing. Have you read about Altman is planning to raise 7 trillion for one project?

    These people are not stupid. They are insane. They believe Elon Musk is going to take us to fluxing Mars. You must not have read the new Karlin manifesto. They are going to edit the African gene pool and turn them all into mannerly betas. Probably don't ask any Africans about this idea would be my idea.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    They are going to edit the African gene pool and turn them all into mannerly betas.

    Wouldn’t it be great if Sub-Saharan Africans and their Diaspora members could be turned into Wakandans, with strongly eugenic fertility and a 130+ average IQ?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    Caution would dictate that before turning Africans into super-soldiers, as their population is exploding, and the rest of the world diminishing, the possible consequences should at least be explored in a few scifi novels.

  194. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Two concerns made worse by the ongoing unreasonable illegal immigration are social fragility and instability. If we have a downturn, even a moderate 2008-style slow down I think you will find there are many scary problems in your day-to-day existence all made worse by a high percentage of unassimilated and often illegal immigrants.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    We already had a lot of illegal immigrants back in 2008-2009 and the world didn’t end back then. I was already living in California during this time.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    One of the aspects of a hypothetical complex tipping point is the system behavior after the point is passed is not easily predictable. The new behavior can be much different from the prior behavior. This is in contrast to the tipping point for a simple situation or object such as a chair which simply falls over.

    Normal citizens are reasonably well behaved because they are civilized. The unassimilated people seem fairly civilized because they are well fed. Both groups will behave poorly if food becomes scarce, but only the civilized ones can be reasoned with.

    This situation is vaguely similar to a comparison of a pet which is fundamentally trustworthy (will not eat you) and a wild animal whose predatory urges have been suppressed because you have been feeding it so it is reversibly tamed. The difference is the pet is the result of selective breeding and domestication. Less civilized people still have free will, but may not live up to it in the ways we expect in civilized life.

  195. @Mikel
    @Mr. Hack


    Some interesting information. Can you provide an accompanying article that helps to explain in greater detail what exactly these figures represent?
     
    Let me explain in simple terms what those figures represent. They represent the US government getting its hand in your pocket, mine and everyone else's in America in order to incur in those expenses. A part of the money thus collected from all of us goes to the pockets of a small fraction of Americans in some states, as detailed in the map.

    However, since the US has been running public deficits for many years now, these military expenses only add to the debt and the money thus collected actually goes to finance that debt. If in fact this historically high level of debt ever gets repaid, these expenses will have to continue being paid by our children and perhaps our grandchildren. If the US eventually defaults, these military expenses that only benefit a small minority will be another nail in the coffin of the US economic demise.

    That's what those figures represent.

    Another way of looking at it is to imagine the US government adding to its debt by spending tens of billions of dollars in an expansion of the corn industry in order to give away massive amounts of corn subproducts to some foreign nation. We would all have to pay for that expansion but surely the Department of Agriculture would also produce beautiful maps showing how some states benefit from that ruinous deficit spending and people like sudden death could also post them in the hopes that people like you get the idea that it's just a fantastic investment for those Americans with no cost for anybody else.

    Replies: @Beckow, @sudden death

    USA is also biggest weaponry exporter, out there so all those expenses will come back eventually and reduce US trade deficit. Also all old Soviet stocks are being vacuumed into UA theatre from all sides and replacement will be needed, so it’s gonna be lots of US new production bought instead.

    Just one example – UA was given roughly about 25-30 HIMARS in all modifications, but just Poland alone is gonna buy it for 10 billion, so a single contract inserts back into US economy roughly 17% of those 60 billion for UA in new aid package:

    The US State Department has approved the sale of 18 HIMARS rocket launchers and almost 500 launcher loader module kits along with ammunition to Poland, which is seeking to bolster its defence capabilities in the face of Russia’s war in neighbouring Ukraine.

    The deal could amount to up to $10 billion, said the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA). The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin, Grand Prairie, TX

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/02/08/poland-to-buy-10-billion-in-himars-rocket-launchers-and-ammunition/

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @sudden death


    USA is also biggest weaponry exporter, out there so all those expenses will come back eventually and reduce US trade deficit.
     
    You are confusing two totally separate things. If adding tens of billions of dollars to the deficit by giving away weapons to a foreign country was a good thing for the economy, the US government would be doing that with or without any war in Ukraine. Why do you think that the US doesn't do that regularly and no serious economist recommends donating billions in weapons as an ongoing policy?

    It is true that it has so happened that the US (and other Western) weapons have proven very effective while the Russian military in general has proven much weaker than anyone thought. It could have been the other way (and things can still turn around as the war drags on and the Russians learn from their mistakes and test-field new weapons) but for now this is resulting in increased sales of US weapons. However, the push to donate many billions in weapons to Ukraine is not based on how good it is for US exports, it would be there even if the Russians had proven more capable and it would likely be even more acute in that case. US officials and lawmakers would be more pressed to stop a Russian advance towards the West. So let's not confuse two totally separate things.

    Besides, increased military spending by the global West is just another form of the broken window fallacy. Sure, if Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Norway, Greece, Netherlands and all the rest get convinced that the Russians are going to land on their shores anytime now and start buying US weapons like maniacs, imagine how good that would be for US weapons manufacturers (while the mania lasts). But that is money that they will have to stop using on other more pressing needs for their populations and divert to the Russian boogeyman threat. Bastiat's broken window fallacy in its pure form. Money that individuals would have spent on something totally different out of their free will will get diverted to a real or self-inflicted problem that wasn't there before, and the collective becomes poorer, just like when someone breaks the windows of their houses.

    I'm actually quite happy to see that the weapons protecting the countries where me and my extended family live are very good. But rather than seeing Raytheon's and Boeing's profits grow, I'd prefer to live in a world with much less military spending and thus much more money available to fix the things that I really care about. Military spending is like spending a lot on securing your house from burglars and criminals and having less to spend on leisure, travel and health. With the aggravating factor that many of those criminals wouldn't even be there threatening you if you hadn't threatened them before.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

  196. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    The MIC of Tatarstan and Irkutsk etc, as a political and economy entity will not in any form dictate the end or lengthening of the SMO - that is completely different from the MIC states of the US to the SMO you dumbf**k.

    In the sick political culture of Pindostan... political/business lobby groups in those US states want & need the war to continue to help them get elected at local and presidential elections... and generate jobs/money for their area.

    The MIC relation to the SMO will have ZERO influence on Putin getting presidential vote in Tatarstan, Irkutsk etc.... or the politicians locally you stupid retard. Other different factors will lift their votes up or down.

    The EIC is though hugely important to Black Russia "Lithuania". The Ethanol Industrial Complex is the most important thing in the political aspect to the earthworm, brain dead, liver-diseased Lithuanian dickheads you moron. President and local officials guaranteed vote if there is factory emitting ethanol flames as waste product for the Kaunas plankton to sniff...or ethanol is flowing into the drains outside of the factory for the Kaunas sick locals to drink.

    Replies: @sudden death

    US states want & need the war to continue to help them get elected at local and presidential elections… and generate jobs/money for their area.

    btw, majority of voters in those states with military production plants are red, but various tuckers lately have been intensively brainwashing them about UA aid being given in cash, so there is no such voter pressure at all now.

  197. @Mr. XYZ
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    They are going to edit the African gene pool and turn them all into mannerly betas.
     
    Wouldn't it be great if Sub-Saharan Africans and their Diaspora members could be turned into Wakandans, with strongly eugenic fertility and a 130+ average IQ?

    Replies: @songbird

    Caution would dictate that before turning Africans into super-soldiers, as their population is exploding, and the rest of the world diminishing, the possible consequences should at least be explored in a few scifi novels.

  198. @Beckow
    @AP


    Are you next going to argue that “Russia” won World War I because Soviet soldiers occupied Berlin 28 years after 1917?
     
    I wouldn't, but it sounds like you would. 27 years, my friend, is a vey looooong time (and 45 years even more). Your incoherence and twisted mind are really something...US lost in Iraq-Afghanistan, and Russia won WW2. See, is that so hard?

    ...What is the difference between Saddam and the Shiites who took over
     
    The Shiites are Iran's ally. US lost the war.

    Russia is being contained...so the situation is not one of survival... Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so.
     
    What? There is no such thing as little survival or big survival - survival is binary. By the time it is acute it is by definition too late...it sounds like you really don't want to fight for it, it would be too hard, the mud, blood and cold. I don't blame you, but don't talk big if you are not willing to put your own skin in the game.

    it is not an acute problem. The border is far away, the migrants will hit Italy or France...
     
    I was talking about the Westies not us. They don't seem too worried. France has 15 million Third world migrants, UK around 12 million...in W Euro thetotal is aronud 75 million. I suspect they will go from non-acute to resignation very quickly.

    On the Mexico border 10 million have come. But no big deal, with the relatives that's only about 30 to 50 million (I am being modest)...and if J Johnson has his way and Biden stays, that will be another 10 million. But why worry?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    I wouldn’t, but it sounds like you would. 27 years, my friend, is a vey looooong time (and 45 years even more

    But 18 years is not a long time?

    You use whatever number happens to be convenient for you.

    US lost in Iraq-Afghanistan, and Russia won WW2

    2 out of 3 incorrect statements in one sentence.

    US defeated Saddam Hussein, seized his capital, had him executed, and conquered his country completely. It won’t be Iraq war. After defeated Saddam and eliminating his state, the USA created elections and allowed a new Shiite (enemy of Saddam) government to take power. It helped the Shiites to defeat an ISIS rebellion. 18 years after defeating Saddam’s Iraq, the USA withdrew and gave the country more or less fully to the anti-Saddam government that the USA had allowed to get into power. Though there are still around 2,000 American soldiers in Iraq. This government is friendly to America’s enemy Iran.

    Not Russia, but a union of Russia, Ukraine, Central Asia, and the Caucuses led by a Georgian defeated the Nazis. Russia wouldn’t have stood a chance.

    You are right about the USA being defeated in Afghanistan, though it’s not how you wish it was. USA wasn’t forcibly driven out or beaten on the battlefield, it decided that fighting wasn’t worth it anymore so it left and it’s enemies took over. The Soviet defeat was similar IIRC.

    The Shiites are Iran’s ally. US lost the war

    The German Christian Democrats and Socialists were the USA’s ally. The Soviets lost the war.

    You see how stupid your argument is?

    Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so.

    What? There is no such thing as little survival or big survival – survival is binary

    Do you know what acute means?

    Binary has nothing to do with it.

    Russia posed a potential existential threat to Ukraine in February-March 2022 until it’s forces were defeated outside Kiev and stopped in the East and South. It continues to pose a longer term existential threat and will do so until it withdraws or until Ukraine has a an iron-clad deterrent such as NATO membership, it’s own nukes, or some other severe deterrent (US or British peacekeepers on its soil? Mass drone swarms capable of destroying Moscow?).

    But Ukraine is no longer in immediate danger of being defeated and occupied, as it seemingly was in February 2022. But the longer term threat is still there, the war is ongoing.

    it sounds like you really don’t want to fight for it, it would be too hard, the mud, blood and cold

    None of the pro-Russian commenters here do. And none of the anti-immigration commenters here are on their country’s border walking around the hot Texas or Arizona desert. So?

    If the Muslims or Africans take over the West they will move into your lands next. Or maybe the fleeing Germans will, and you will be outnumbered in your own homeland. So why aren’t you manning a boat on the Mediterranean? Or at least making large donations to those who do? I guess you don’t really care, by your logic.

    [MORE]

    I’m around 50, have no military experience, have kids dependent on my income for university etc. Doubt my wife could manage the mortgage by herself, especially with access to income from Moscow rental property being cut off by Swift system sanctioning Russia. So I never urge or tell people there that they should fight- it’s not my choice to make for them. But I pointed out to you before the invasion that they will fight and I was right. And they continue to fight. And I support them when they have made the decision to do so. And donate to pay for equipment, tourniquets, etc. I brought lots of packages over to Poland in 2022. I suspect that this is much more than you have done for Europe’s border.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @A123
    @AP


    US defeated Saddam Hussein, seized his capital, had him executed, and conquered his country completely. It won’t be Iraq war. After defeated Saddam and eliminating his state, the USA created elections and allowed a new Shiite (enemy of Saddam) government to take power.
     
    The best phrase for this is, "The U.S. won the war, but lost the peace."

    The people's yearning for freedom called for separation of Sunni Kurds, Sunni Arabs, and Shiites. Perhaps further between Persia Shia and Arab Shia. Forced integration did not work in Lebanon and it does not work here. Weak Iraq is prime for infiltration by the Iranian theocracy. Especially, as Persian aligned Shia are a very strong faction in Iraq.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Beckow
    @AP

    You again demonstrated your inability to accept reality. Like a small child you medicate yourself with happy talk..."no, we didn't lose the war! don't worry Johnny-boy, we packed our suitcases and left, and here is another far-fetched idiotic analogy"...anything but to see clearly.


    If the Muslims or Africans take over the West they will move into your lands next. Or maybe the fleeing Germans will, and you will be outnumbered in your own homeland.
     
    So far no sight of them. But we do have about 200 Dutch farmers who couldn't take it anymore at home, they lease lands from us. There are different scenarios in the Euro future, some better, some worse - and there is the catastrophic one. Our assumption is that the Westies are gone in a few generations, irretrievably changed...maybe by 2050. We will help them as much they help us, but they won't force on us what they are doing at home. Don't forget that our language is very hard and our bureaucracy rock-solid...:)

    Your bizarre interpretation of what has happened in the war betrays a pathological fear: Kiev had a few chances to make an acceptable deal and they threw it away. Now for the inevitable consequences. You look at numbers all the time but can't actually understand what they are telling you. More "tourniquets" won't fix it...

    Replies: @AP

  199. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk).

    Yes I'm sure the former residents will be thrilled with the liberation.

    Looks like they are liberating every building from being habitable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOmxPsh4S60

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value.

    It doesn't have much strategic value and both sides know that Ukraine will most likely abandon it when encircled. Kind of a duh.

    Ukraine is defending it because Putin wants to capture it before the presidency and is recklessly rushing in forces the old fashioned Russian way.

    The defensive has the strong advantage in this war. Just read this article:

    Over 900 Russian soldiers and 11 tanks downed in past 24-hours - Ukrainian General Staff
    https://news.yahoo.com/over-900-russian-soldiers-11-103000417.html

    There are Russian soldiers on video talking about how Putin is sending meat waves at Avdiivka so it isn't propaganda. Ukraine has chosen to defend and incur losses against Russia. It's the right move.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    The only reason that Adviivka has had any importance at all, is that it’s relatively close to Donetsk. It wont be rebuilt anytime soon, and if it is, it’ll probably be renamed Putlerivka. More lucrative contracts for Beckow’s construction company?

  200. @Sean
    @Mr. XYZ

    A lot of the Russians currently being KIA are not from the professional soldier cadre or even reservists but totally expendable convicts. The average age of Ukrainian soldiers is well into the 40s, and there are lots of young men, especially on places like Kiev, who are not being called up for political reasons; is Ukraine really doing everything it can? Sadly neither side is in a desperate situation, close to a political nervous breakdown, or without resources to adjust to an increased level of opposition.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    A lot of the Russians currently being KIA are not from the professional soldier cadre or even reservists but totally expendable convicts

    True, but it’s because many of the elite soldiers were killed off early when it was falsely believed that using them could quickly kill the Ukrainian state. Russia does not have many left.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    General Commander Zaluzhnyi was sacked because he was favouring units like the 3rd BDE with the youngest and toughest recruits and best equipment while demanding that young men be conscripted. Zelensky replaced Zaluzhnyi with Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi because he agreed to not conscripting young men and promised not to lose any more Donbass defence line cities; he is sending his best units into a position of disadvantage in Adviivka to rescue a bunch of middle aged men who are burnt out from years in the trenches and will add nothing to a counter offensive. Syrskyi is going to run the Ukrainian army into the ground through not replenishing it with young recruits.

  201. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    If you're going to use this argument, would you also argue that native Muslim Algerians were more entitled to Algeria than the pieds-noirs were because the pieds-noirs, other than the native Algerian Jews, were the descendants of post-1830 European colonists to Algeria?

    Replies: @AP

    Algerian Muslims were conducting slave raids upon the Mediterranean Europeans for generations, so giving up a part of coastal Algeria to French colonists can be viewed as a kind of justice. It is unfortunate that the French didn’t consolidate their Algerians (there were 1.4 million Pied Noir in 1959) into an enclave such as Oran and keep it hole giving the rest to the Arabs and Berbers without trying to occupy them. Would’ve been a nice tourist destination.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    By that logic, should the Crimean Tatars have been expelled from Crimea en masse in retribution for the slave trade that they conducted in the past? For that matter, should Russia have conquered all of Anatolia, not just Constantinople, had it been more successful in WWI (no 1917 revolutions) as revenge for the historical Ottoman slave trade and, of course, for the Armenian Genocide as well?

    Having all of the pieds-noirs settle in Oran in the first place might have been a good move, but trying to resettle all of them there in 1962 would have still resulted in (I think) most of the pieds-noirs being dislocated and also in worse Franco-Algerian relations in the decades to come. In theory, it might have been doable; Spain still controls two exclaves on the Moroccan coast, after all. But Spain's ownership of these two enclaves was more long-lasting than France's ownership of Oran would have been.

    Also, out of curiosity: Wouldn't expelling Muslims from a lot of places make those places nice tourist destinations? If Gazan Muslims moved to Egypt en masse while Israeli Jews (especially the secular types) replaced them, then Gaza would also become much nicer to visit and vacation in. But civilized people would still balk at engaging in this type of ethnic cleansing, even after as big of an event as October 7. It's only when you get a truly brutal war (WWII, the Israeli War of Independence, the Algerian War, the Yugoslav Wars, et cetera) that ethnic cleansing becomes relatively normalized. (If Russia were to ever invade any of the Baltic countries, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Baltic Russians will get the Sudeten German treatment after the end of this war.)

    Replies: @AP

  202. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    JJ knew it was a fake…they all know.
     
    I think you are giving to much credit to rank-and-file propagandists. To know you need to think. For a propagandist thinking is a no-no, totally verboten.

    But Ukies are certainly “winning”, exactly like their idol Hitler in 1945.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    But Ukies are certainly “winning”, exactly like their idol Hitler in 1945.

    In 1945, the Soviets were in Berlin.

    In Ukraine, the Russians were driven out of Kiev’s suburbs almost 2 years ago and are held at more or less stalemate with only 8% of territory taken since 2022. They might take Avdiivka soon.

    Only someone with you left deep knowledge would claim it’s “exactly” like 1945 lol.

  203. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    it would be funny if Musk bought Disney

    >It would be stupid more than funny
     
    Well, the main fiscal complaint regarding Disney stock is underperformance and lack of growth. It's not really tanking in an absolute sense, at least not yet.

    And my own suspicion is that there is a monopoly aspect to the big five studios. Disney though quite woke, might be only modestly more woke than the average, and it is the biggest studio.

    If Musk did buy, it would likely be as part of a consortium, with minimized risks to him. He seems to be motivated by a personal vendetta against Bob Iger. I am sympathetic as I find Iger to be unsavory. But at best, I think it would only take Disney back to the studio average of wokeness. It's not how I would invest, if a had a few billion to splurge on a cultural project.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’ve always wondered why Disney/Marvel haven’t been able to put out a “fantastic” Fantastic Four film yet, to this day? They were after all Marvel Groups flagship superheroes during the monumental silver age of comics (1960’s – 1970’s). The news announcement on Valentine’s day indicates that all four heroes are white, and so far none of them seems to be gay. They’ve got to get it right this time, perhaps their last attempt to score a big hit.

    First announcement still seems to have a bit of the woke showing, or is it just me?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    I hate when they raceswap to mixed-race siblings, with one of them being adopted. It just feels so wrong to me, like they can't even acknowledge real familial relationships. And it seems to be quite frequent too.

    But it is good to see they didn't do that.

    [BTW, I have this dream of a story set in medieval times, where they use the actual names of all these distant kin relationships that we've forgotten.]

    Forget whether I saw the whole Trank movie or not, but I also really hated how they gave the Thing a traumatic childhood backstory. I mean, REALLY, REALLY hated it. It was a big mistake to give the film to some guy who had only made one horrible emo movie.

    Pedro Pascal has a sibling who is a tranny, which makes me wonder if the rate is much higher in Hollywood families. I keep advocating for some longitudinal study of Hollywood families.

    Maybe, they could receive counseling, like how NBA stars are given advice about how not to lose all their money, except along the lines of how not to get addicted to drugs, and to lead happier lives.

  204. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian troops are in the process of liberating Avdeevka (suburb of Donetsk).

    Yes I'm sure the former residents will be thrilled with the liberation.

    Looks like they are liberating every building from being habitable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOmxPsh4S60

    But that’s not why I am writing this. Be prepared for forthcoming Western/Ukie declarations that Avdeevka has no strategic value.

    It doesn't have much strategic value and both sides know that Ukraine will most likely abandon it when encircled. Kind of a duh.

    Ukraine is defending it because Putin wants to capture it before the presidency and is recklessly rushing in forces the old fashioned Russian way.

    The defensive has the strong advantage in this war. Just read this article:

    Over 900 Russian soldiers and 11 tanks downed in past 24-hours - Ukrainian General Staff
    https://news.yahoo.com/over-900-russian-soldiers-11-103000417.html

    There are Russian soldiers on video talking about how Putin is sending meat waves at Avdiivka so it isn't propaganda. Ukraine has chosen to defend and incur losses against Russia. It's the right move.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    You have to relate Russia’s losses to Ukraine’s losses, which we outside the US intel agencies and those who get their secret reports are in the dark about because nothing unfavorable to Ukraine will be released. European militaries know though and their closely guarded knowledge must have informed their various intelligence estimates that Russia might attack a Nato country anytime after two years from now. Moreover, a logical deduction from those warnings is the secret intel assessment the various governments are getting from Washington have concluded the war in Ukraine will last until 2025, and end without a Russian defeat

  205. Japan entered into recession at the end of last year while been eclipsed by Germany as the world’s third-biggest economy according to data released Thursday, as the country battles a weak yen and an ageing, shrinking population

    Some analysts are warning of another contraction in the current quarter as Japan further restricts high tech exports to China.

    Japan’s gross domestic product (GDP) fell an annualised 0.4% in the October-December period after a 3.3% slump in the previous quarter,confounding market forecasts for a 1.4% increase.

    Two consecutive quarters of contraction are typically considered the definition of a technical recession.

    Japan’s nominal GDP stood at $4.21 trillion in 2023, falling below $4.46 trillion for Germany to rank as the world’s fourth largest economy.

    The shift, coming more than a decade after it ceded second place to China, has been attributed to the yen’s sharp falls against the dollar over the past two years. A weaker yen eats into profits on exports when earnings are repatriated. The Japanese currency dropped by almost a fifth against the US dollar in 2022 and 2023, including a 7% fall last year.

    Japan, is resource poor, has an ageing population and is heavily dependent on exports. Japan has also been shaken by rising energy prices caused by sanctions against Russian energy supply, rising interest rates in the eurozone and a chronic shortage of skilled labour.

    During the boom years of the 1970s and 80s, some predicted that Japan’s exports of autos and consumer electronics would see it overtake the US as the world’s biggest economy.

    Instead, the Plaza Accord burst Japan’s economy in the early 1990s and ushered in three “lost decades” of economic stagnation and deflation.

    The latest data reflect the realities of a weak Japan – one that can expect to have less of a presence in the global economy, said Tetsuji Okazaki, a professor of economics at the University of Tokyo. “Several years ago, Japan boasted a powerful auto sector, for instance. But with the advent of electric vehicles, even that advantage has been shaken,” he said.

    And the slide is unlikely to end there. Democratic India’s economy, buttressed by a large and growing young population, is projected to overtake fading Japan in 2026 according to Indian projections.

    • Thanks: Mikel
    • Replies: @Sean
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    But Japan has built up very powerful armed forces including a navy that can project far beyond Japan.
    Unlike Europeans who freeload on the US taxpayer for defence.

  206. Most Russian residents are already convinced that current Ukie regime must be exterminated, completely eliminated, like cancer. Yet Ukies keep reinforcing this view.

    Ukies shelled Belgorod again. Out of 18 rockets 14 were intercepted by Russian air defenses, but 4 got through. Net result of Ukie “heroics”: murdered civilians – five (including one 4 months old child hit by rocket fragment in his pram (baby carriage for Americans); wounded civilians – eighteen (including five children).

    Ukies don’t hero-worship Bandera for nothing: they act exactly like banderites.

    • Agree: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukies shelled Belgorod again. Out of 18 rockets 14 were intercepted by Russian air defenses, but 4 got through. Net result of Ukie “heroics”: murdered civilians – five (including one 4 months old child hit by rocket fragment in his pram (baby carriage for Americans); wounded civilians – eighteen (including five children).
     
    This is exactly how Ukrainians write about Russian missile attacks on Ukrainian cities.

    But the process is the same similar - many rockets are intercepted, but some miss, or in other cases the air defenses miss, or in some cases the air defenses smash the rockets but the debris hits civilian areas. In all these cases civilians die, and each side claims the other deliberately aimed to kill the civilians.

    The difference is that Russians chose to start an invasion of another country whereas Ukrainians are shooting back. Belgorod is from where Russians launch rockets to attack Kharkiv, during which process many Kharkiv civilians are killed by the rockets launched from Belgorod. Maybe you've forgotten, but Kharkiv was bombed first.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  207. @AP
    @Beckow


    I wouldn’t, but it sounds like you would. 27 years, my friend, is a vey looooong time (and 45 years even more
     
    But 18 years is not a long time?

    You use whatever number happens to be convenient for you.


    US lost in Iraq-Afghanistan, and Russia won WW2
     
    2 out of 3 incorrect statements in one sentence.

    US defeated Saddam Hussein, seized his capital, had him executed, and conquered his country completely. It won’t be Iraq war. After defeated Saddam and eliminating his state, the USA created elections and allowed a new Shiite (enemy of Saddam) government to take power. It helped the Shiites to defeat an ISIS rebellion. 18 years after defeating Saddam’s Iraq, the USA withdrew and gave the country more or less fully to the anti-Saddam government that the USA had allowed to get into power. Though there are still around 2,000 American soldiers in Iraq. This government is friendly to America’s enemy Iran.

    Not Russia, but a union of Russia, Ukraine, Central Asia, and the Caucuses led by a Georgian defeated the Nazis. Russia wouldn’t have stood a chance.

    You are right about the USA being defeated in Afghanistan, though it’s not how you wish it was. USA wasn’t forcibly driven out or beaten on the battlefield, it decided that fighting wasn’t worth it anymore so it left and it’s enemies took over. The Soviet defeat was similar IIRC.


    The Shiites are Iran’s ally. US lost the war
     
    The German Christian Democrats and Socialists were the USA’s ally. The Soviets lost the war.

    You see how stupid your argument is?


    Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so.

    What? There is no such thing as little survival or big survival – survival is binary
     

    Do you know what acute means?

    Binary has nothing to do with it.

    Russia posed a potential existential threat to Ukraine in February-March 2022 until it’s forces were defeated outside Kiev and stopped in the East and South. It continues to pose a longer term existential threat and will do so until it withdraws or until Ukraine has a an iron-clad deterrent such as NATO membership, it’s own nukes, or some other severe deterrent (US or British peacekeepers on its soil? Mass drone swarms capable of destroying Moscow?).

    But Ukraine is no longer in immediate danger of being defeated and occupied, as it seemingly was in February 2022. But the longer term threat is still there, the war is ongoing.


    it sounds like you really don’t want to fight for it, it would be too hard, the mud, blood and cold
     
    None of the pro-Russian commenters here do. And none of the anti-immigration commenters here are on their country’s border walking around the hot Texas or Arizona desert. So?

    If the Muslims or Africans take over the West they will move into your lands next. Or maybe the fleeing Germans will, and you will be outnumbered in your own homeland. So why aren’t you manning a boat on the Mediterranean? Or at least making large donations to those who do? I guess you don’t really care, by your logic.

    I’m around 50, have no military experience, have kids dependent on my income for university etc. Doubt my wife could manage the mortgage by herself, especially with access to income from Moscow rental property being cut off by Swift system sanctioning Russia. So I never urge or tell people there that they should fight- it’s not my choice to make for them. But I pointed out to you before the invasion that they will fight and I was right. And they continue to fight. And I support them when they have made the decision to do so. And donate to pay for equipment, tourniquets, etc. I brought lots of packages over to Poland in 2022. I suspect that this is much more than you have done for Europe’s border.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    US defeated Saddam Hussein, seized his capital, had him executed, and conquered his country completely. It won’t be Iraq war. After defeated Saddam and eliminating his state, the USA created elections and allowed a new Shiite (enemy of Saddam) government to take power.

    The best phrase for this is, “The U.S. won the war, but lost the peace.”

    The people’s yearning for freedom called for separation of Sunni Kurds, Sunni Arabs, and Shiites. Perhaps further between Persia Shia and Arab Shia. Forced integration did not work in Lebanon and it does not work here. Weak Iraq is prime for infiltration by the Iranian theocracy. Especially, as Persian aligned Shia are a very strong faction in Iraq.

    PEACE 😇

  208. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut
     
    Bakhmut was the pre-Soviet name for it, as it was called under the Tsars.

    In 1924, the city's name was changed from Bakhmut to Artemivsk, in honour of the Bolshevik leader Fyodor Sergeyev, who was known as Comrade Artem (or Artyom)

    "Artemovsk" is like "Leningrad", "Sverdlovsk", etc.

    You are from Donbas and don't even know that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    From this imbeciles comment to AnonFrom TN:

    Artemovsk” is like “Leningrad”, “Sverdlovsk”, etc.
    You are from Donbas and don’t even know that.

    LOL – the same modus operandi from this AP nutjob of :

    1.Not knowing anything about the people and places he uses an abnormal amount of time writing about…….attempts to bypass this absurd situation, often by faking the points made by people who, different to this loser, do know about the people and places being discussed.

    2.Copies and pastes the wikipedia extact of place and person he knows nothing of and presents as own natural “knowledge”

    3.Makes bimbo conclusions that even a ukronazi trying to lie about the situation would not make!

    Ukronazi method to renaming places if, of course, highly schizophrenic. Ukrainian ideology is of course highly schizophrenic. Everything done in name of “Ukrainianism” is by definition like that.

    All the behaviour of this freak is various variations on HIS theme of cretinous BS – like that piece of idiocy misdirection on Russians rejecting khokholism in pre-war Lvov – or the totally lunatic “here in Kazan” vs “there in Kazan” (after what would have certainly been this non-life reading the words “here” anyway and the mental sickness required to “research” like that LMAO) , or the “what is mir in Russian”?!!!

    Another reminder – this is the same non-life weirdo who doesn’t know that Kravchuk is from western Ukraine. For sure, a minor, irrelevant thing to know for westerners on their blog – for any ACTUAL ukrop diaspora, for any fantasist freakshow claiming (lying) to have visited late-era USSR or early-era khokholstan – inexplicable to not know.

  209. @AP
    @Beckow


    How would you know, do you see into people’s souls who is devoted and who is only going through the motions?
     
    I think abortion rates, divorce rates, church attendance rates, HIV rates are good secondary evidence of how religious a people are. On all these measures, Russians do worse than Americans. Indeed, they do worse than western Europeans, too, but Western Europeans don't pretend to be Christians as Russians sometimes do.

    By that standard the summer offensive wasn’t paused, it was a success

    You are really reaching – it was a costly failure
     
    I was using your own standard. Ukraine gained a few (12?) villages during the summer offensive, Russia has captured even less during its winter offensive. If the first was a "costly failure" the second must be even worse, given the greater number of losses and fewer gains. Why the double standard?

    One way to estimate the casualties are POWs: Russia holds ten times more Ukie POWs than vice versa.
     
    According to whom?

    Another way is to estimate tank and vehicle losses. Russia has lost more, and a lot around Avdiivka.

    To look at the enemy and giggle that “they lost more!” (probably untrue) is both mentally deranged
     
    Projection. You are the one talking about fun and let's watch etc. I don't view this as anything other than a tragedy created by Putin for the purpose of preventing the Ukrainian people from running their own country in a way that he doesn't like.

    Kiev can go down fighting or make a (very bad) deal. Those are the choices
     
    So you claim. The claims of a guy who insisted that Ukraine would lose quickly because the Ukrainians would all surrender or flee.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    But of course Moscow is a Jewish city populated by Muslims…the whites there are all aborting and shooting up heroin.

  210. @AP
    @Beckow


    I wouldn’t, but it sounds like you would. 27 years, my friend, is a vey looooong time (and 45 years even more
     
    But 18 years is not a long time?

    You use whatever number happens to be convenient for you.


    US lost in Iraq-Afghanistan, and Russia won WW2
     
    2 out of 3 incorrect statements in one sentence.

    US defeated Saddam Hussein, seized his capital, had him executed, and conquered his country completely. It won’t be Iraq war. After defeated Saddam and eliminating his state, the USA created elections and allowed a new Shiite (enemy of Saddam) government to take power. It helped the Shiites to defeat an ISIS rebellion. 18 years after defeating Saddam’s Iraq, the USA withdrew and gave the country more or less fully to the anti-Saddam government that the USA had allowed to get into power. Though there are still around 2,000 American soldiers in Iraq. This government is friendly to America’s enemy Iran.

    Not Russia, but a union of Russia, Ukraine, Central Asia, and the Caucuses led by a Georgian defeated the Nazis. Russia wouldn’t have stood a chance.

    You are right about the USA being defeated in Afghanistan, though it’s not how you wish it was. USA wasn’t forcibly driven out or beaten on the battlefield, it decided that fighting wasn’t worth it anymore so it left and it’s enemies took over. The Soviet defeat was similar IIRC.


    The Shiites are Iran’s ally. US lost the war
     
    The German Christian Democrats and Socialists were the USA’s ally. The Soviets lost the war.

    You see how stupid your argument is?


    Ultimately is it an issue of survival, but not acutely so.

    What? There is no such thing as little survival or big survival – survival is binary
     

    Do you know what acute means?

    Binary has nothing to do with it.

    Russia posed a potential existential threat to Ukraine in February-March 2022 until it’s forces were defeated outside Kiev and stopped in the East and South. It continues to pose a longer term existential threat and will do so until it withdraws or until Ukraine has a an iron-clad deterrent such as NATO membership, it’s own nukes, or some other severe deterrent (US or British peacekeepers on its soil? Mass drone swarms capable of destroying Moscow?).

    But Ukraine is no longer in immediate danger of being defeated and occupied, as it seemingly was in February 2022. But the longer term threat is still there, the war is ongoing.


    it sounds like you really don’t want to fight for it, it would be too hard, the mud, blood and cold
     
    None of the pro-Russian commenters here do. And none of the anti-immigration commenters here are on their country’s border walking around the hot Texas or Arizona desert. So?

    If the Muslims or Africans take over the West they will move into your lands next. Or maybe the fleeing Germans will, and you will be outnumbered in your own homeland. So why aren’t you manning a boat on the Mediterranean? Or at least making large donations to those who do? I guess you don’t really care, by your logic.

    I’m around 50, have no military experience, have kids dependent on my income for university etc. Doubt my wife could manage the mortgage by herself, especially with access to income from Moscow rental property being cut off by Swift system sanctioning Russia. So I never urge or tell people there that they should fight- it’s not my choice to make for them. But I pointed out to you before the invasion that they will fight and I was right. And they continue to fight. And I support them when they have made the decision to do so. And donate to pay for equipment, tourniquets, etc. I brought lots of packages over to Poland in 2022. I suspect that this is much more than you have done for Europe’s border.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    You again demonstrated your inability to accept reality. Like a small child you medicate yourself with happy talk…”no, we didn’t lose the war! don’t worry Johnny-boy, we packed our suitcases and left, and here is another far-fetched idiotic analogy“…anything but to see clearly.

    If the Muslims or Africans take over the West they will move into your lands next. Or maybe the fleeing Germans will, and you will be outnumbered in your own homeland.

    So far no sight of them. But we do have about 200 Dutch farmers who couldn’t take it anymore at home, they lease lands from us. There are different scenarios in the Euro future, some better, some worse – and there is the catastrophic one. Our assumption is that the Westies are gone in a few generations, irretrievably changed…maybe by 2050. We will help them as much they help us, but they won’t force on us what they are doing at home. Don’t forget that our language is very hard and our bureaucracy rock-solid…:)

    Your bizarre interpretation of what has happened in the war betrays a pathological fear: Kiev had a few chances to make an acceptable deal and they threw it away. Now for the inevitable consequences. You look at numbers all the time but can’t actually understand what they are telling you. More “tourniquets” won’t fix it…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Like a small child you medicate yourself with happy talk…”no, we didn’t lose the war!
     
    Was Baghdad and all of Iraq taken in 5 weeks? Yes or no?

    Was the Iraqi leader captured and executed? Yes or no?

    Was the Iraqi state erased and replaced with one that the USA approved? Yes or no?

    The state that the USA gave to Iraq after defeating it is sort of a democracy. The Shiites won the elections and asked America to leave, which America did. Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there (I had been writing 2,000 - that was my mistake). This state is closer to Iran than the USA would like it to be.

    For some reason you desperately want this to mean that America was defeated in a war in Iraq.

    Kiev had a few chances to make an acceptable deal and they threw it away. Now for the inevitable consequences.
     
    Most likely, especially if America fails to come through - stalemate for awhile until both sides decide the current lines more or less are better than continued slaughter, with Russia not interfering with Ukraine's internal laws, EU and probably NATO plans, Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

    If America gets its act together and resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly - about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  211. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    Japan entered into recession at the end of last year while been eclipsed by Germany as the world’s third-biggest economy according to data released Thursday, as the country battles a weak yen and an ageing, shrinking population

    Some analysts are warning of another contraction in the current quarter as Japan further restricts high tech exports to China.

    Japan's gross domestic product (GDP) fell an annualised 0.4% in the October-December period after a 3.3% slump in the previous quarter,confounding market forecasts for a 1.4% increase.

    Two consecutive quarters of contraction are typically considered the definition of a technical recession.

    Japan's nominal GDP stood at $4.21 trillion in 2023, falling below $4.46 trillion for Germany to rank as the world's fourth largest economy.

    The shift, coming more than a decade after it ceded second place to China, has been attributed to the yen’s sharp falls against the dollar over the past two years. A weaker yen eats into profits on exports when earnings are repatriated. The Japanese currency dropped by almost a fifth against the US dollar in 2022 and 2023, including a 7% fall last year.

    Japan, is resource poor, has an ageing population and is heavily dependent on exports. Japan has also been shaken by rising energy prices caused by sanctions against Russian energy supply, rising interest rates in the eurozone and a chronic shortage of skilled labour.

    During the boom years of the 1970s and 80s, some predicted that Japan’s exports of autos and consumer electronics would see it overtake the US as the world’s biggest economy.

    Instead, the Plaza Accord burst Japan’s economy in the early 1990s and ushered in three “lost decades” of economic stagnation and deflation.

    The latest data reflect the realities of a weak Japan – one that can expect to have less of a presence in the global economy, said Tetsuji Okazaki, a professor of economics at the University of Tokyo. “Several years ago, Japan boasted a powerful auto sector, for instance. But with the advent of electric vehicles, even that advantage has been shaken,” he said.

    And the slide is unlikely to end there. Democratic India’s economy, buttressed by a large and growing young population, is projected to overtake fading Japan in 2026 according to Indian projections.

    https://www.reuters.com/graphics/JAPAN-ECONOMY/GDP/dwpkekaarpm/chart.png

    Replies: @Sean

    But Japan has built up very powerful armed forces including a navy that can project far beyond Japan.
    Unlike Europeans who freeload on the US taxpayer for defence.

  212. An interesting fact about Josep Borrell, his paternal grandparents were Spanish immigrants from Argentina, where they ran a bakery in the city of Mendoza.

    In 2019, he acquired Argentine citizenship through descent, stating that he wished to honour the memory of his father, who grew up in Mendoza.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere


    ...Josep Borrell, his paternal grandparents were Spanish immigrants from Argentina, where they ran a bakery in the city of Mendoza.
     
    Let's speculate a bit: Argentinian bourgeois family moving to Spain to live under Franco...that says a lot. He grew up in the hatred of the Russkies and is one of the worst. It is in his blood. Same as Baerbock, Sholz, Tusk...what we have here are latter-day descendants from mostly Nazi-supporting families. It is incurable.

    The Gaza speech was good, but it probably only means that he is on his way out and knows it: the designated truth teller for a large group of the EU genocide-the-Palis fans. They will point to him in their defense as "see, we (?) didn't remain silent..."

    They don't know much, but they are really good at cya...must be an evolutionary adjustment.

    , @songbird
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Not really closely related, but I recall someone (Ingraham? Coulter?) once speaking very highly of Ricardo Montalbán.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  213. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I've always wondered why Disney/Marvel haven't been able to put out a "fantastic" Fantastic Four film yet, to this day? They were after all Marvel Groups flagship superheroes during the monumental silver age of comics (1960's - 1970's). The news announcement on Valentine's day indicates that all four heroes are white, and so far none of them seems to be gay. They've got to get it right this time, perhaps their last attempt to score a big hit.

    https://cdn.marvel.com/content/1x/fantastic_four_cast.jpg
    First announcement still seems to have a bit of the woke showing, or is it just me?

    Replies: @songbird

    I hate when they raceswap to mixed-race siblings, with one of them being adopted. It just feels so wrong to me, like they can’t even acknowledge real familial relationships. And it seems to be quite frequent too.

    But it is good to see they didn’t do that.

    [MORE]

    [BTW, I have this dream of a story set in medieval times, where they use the actual names of all these distant kin relationships that we’ve forgotten.]

    Forget whether I saw the whole Trank movie or not, but I also really hated how they gave the Thing a traumatic childhood backstory. I mean, REALLY, REALLY hated it. It was a big mistake to give the film to some guy who had only made one horrible emo movie.

    Pedro Pascal has a sibling who is a tranny, which makes me wonder if the rate is much higher in Hollywood families. I keep advocating for some longitudinal study of Hollywood families.

    Maybe, they could receive counseling, like how NBA stars are given advice about how not to lose all their money, except along the lines of how not to get addicted to drugs, and to lead happier lives.

  214. @AP
    @Sean


    A lot of the Russians currently being KIA are not from the professional soldier cadre or even reservists but totally expendable convicts
     
    True, but it’s because many of the elite soldiers were killed off early when it was falsely believed that using them could quickly kill the Ukrainian state. Russia does not have many left.

    Replies: @Sean

    General Commander Zaluzhnyi was sacked because he was favouring units like the 3rd BDE with the youngest and toughest recruits and best equipment while demanding that young men be conscripted. Zelensky replaced Zaluzhnyi with Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi because he agreed to not conscripting young men and promised not to lose any more Donbass defence line cities; he is sending his best units into a position of disadvantage in Adviivka to rescue a bunch of middle aged men who are burnt out from years in the trenches and will add nothing to a counter offensive. Syrskyi is going to run the Ukrainian army into the ground through not replenishing it with young recruits.

  215. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Artemovsk (Ukie name Bahmut
     
    Bakhmut was the pre-Soviet name for it, as it was called under the Tsars.

    In 1924, the city's name was changed from Bakhmut to Artemivsk, in honour of the Bolshevik leader Fyodor Sergeyev, who was known as Comrade Artem (or Artyom)

    "Artemovsk" is like "Leningrad", "Sverdlovsk", etc.

    You are from Donbas and don't even know that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    Continuing on the subject of places that this freak AP has never visited, I will address for others the topic of :

    Pavlograd, city in Dnepropetrovsk has not become victim of “decommunisation”. Why is this?

    1. Because named after a german Tsar, Paul 1st. German connection is very good for the ukroreikh

    2. Pavel I, not glorified much as a Tsar, different to Catherine the Great who despite her origins is connected greatly to Russia and our successes. Pavel didn’t do anything good for “Ukraine”, i.e he didn’t create any part of the Malorossiyan administrative borders. He didn’t win in wars any of the land given to Ukraine. Not doing anything for Ukraine makes him a perfect representative of Ukraine – and of course the german thing. A pathetic situation – but winning formula for Ukrainian place names.

    The “grad” in Pavlograd is also a Russification.

    All the places that were renamed by the Communists from their original names in honour of Catherine the Great…….have of course mostly kept their communist names.
    Here COMMUNISATION is Khokhlisation for Catherine/Peter the Great places.

    Donetsk was called Stalino and has kept its name since .Numerous other places following this naming method.
    Here RE-COMMUNISATION is khokholisation

    Then there is Pavlograd as mentioned and the “Bakhmut” naming freakshow.
    Here RUSSIFICATION is khokholisation

    Then there is the South Ukrainian , Greek names given by or named in honour of Catherine the Great. Ancient Greece study too difficult and sophisticated for the inbreeding Galician rejects to understand so this escapes renaming. They do “defeat” Russia however, with the elimination of the second “S” in Odessa…..which is of course a communisation of mova “language” done in 1920’s. Again, pathetic, but very important for ukronazis. Odessa instead of Odessis is the name, because Odessa is greek feminine for name dedicated to Catherine the Great

    Here for the Odessa and the Tsarist greek project in general – PARASITISM-RUSSIFICATION-COMMUNISATION is Khokholisation

    That’s before we get to places like Ivano-Frankovsk – just about the most Communist-stamp named place possible.
    Here SUPER-KHOKHOLISATION is Pure Communism.

    So nearly every single Khokhol place uses Russification, recommunisaion, communisation…….so that they can de-russify and decommunise. All perfectly logical and easy to understand!!

    As I said, this is a psychiatric disease, not a national movement. Must and will be destroyed
    I would recommend after my own careful study which respects the wonderful 1000 year history of “Ukraine” – Ukraine renames itself to:

    The United American Commonwealth of Ukraine-reikh

    Sorry I was disrespectful, here is the full name :

    The Peoples Socialist American Commonwealth of Ukraine-reikh Felixstan.

    Felix would be very proud of the ukrop police state since 2014. I can easily see it winning as the new name in a referendum.

  216. @sudden death
    @Mikel

    USA is also biggest weaponry exporter, out there so all those expenses will come back eventually and reduce US trade deficit. Also all old Soviet stocks are being vacuumed into UA theatre from all sides and replacement will be needed, so it's gonna be lots of US new production bought instead.

    Just one example - UA was given roughly about 25-30 HIMARS in all modifications, but just Poland alone is gonna buy it for 10 billion, so a single contract inserts back into US economy roughly 17% of those 60 billion for UA in new aid package:


    The US State Department has approved the sale of 18 HIMARS rocket launchers and almost 500 launcher loader module kits along with ammunition to Poland, which is seeking to bolster its defence capabilities in the face of Russia’s war in neighbouring Ukraine.

    The deal could amount to up to $10 billion, said the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA). The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin, Grand Prairie, TX
     

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/02/08/poland-to-buy-10-billion-in-himars-rocket-launchers-and-ammunition/

    Replies: @Mikel

    USA is also biggest weaponry exporter, out there so all those expenses will come back eventually and reduce US trade deficit.

    You are confusing two totally separate things. If adding tens of billions of dollars to the deficit by giving away weapons to a foreign country was a good thing for the economy, the US government would be doing that with or without any war in Ukraine. Why do you think that the US doesn’t do that regularly and no serious economist recommends donating billions in weapons as an ongoing policy?

    It is true that it has so happened that the US (and other Western) weapons have proven very effective while the Russian military in general has proven much weaker than anyone thought. It could have been the other way (and things can still turn around as the war drags on and the Russians learn from their mistakes and test-field new weapons) but for now this is resulting in increased sales of US weapons. However, the push to donate many billions in weapons to Ukraine is not based on how good it is for US exports, it would be there even if the Russians had proven more capable and it would likely be even more acute in that case. US officials and lawmakers would be more pressed to stop a Russian advance towards the West. So let’s not confuse two totally separate things.

    Besides, increased military spending by the global West is just another form of the broken window fallacy. Sure, if Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Norway, Greece, Netherlands and all the rest get convinced that the Russians are going to land on their shores anytime now and start buying US weapons like maniacs, imagine how good that would be for US weapons manufacturers (while the mania lasts). But that is money that they will have to stop using on other more pressing needs for their populations and divert to the Russian boogeyman threat. Bastiat’s broken window fallacy in its pure form. Money that individuals would have spent on something totally different out of their free will will get diverted to a real or self-inflicted problem that wasn’t there before, and the collective becomes poorer, just like when someone breaks the windows of their houses.

    I’m actually quite happy to see that the weapons protecting the countries where me and my extended family live are very good. But rather than seeing Raytheon’s and Boeing’s profits grow, I’d prefer to live in a world with much less military spending and thus much more money available to fix the things that I really care about. Military spending is like spending a lot on securing your house from burglars and criminals and having less to spend on leisure, travel and health. With the aggravating factor that many of those criminals wouldn’t even be there threatening you if you hadn’t threatened them before.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    .If adding tens of billions of dollars to the deficit by giving away weapons to a foreign country was a good thing for the economy, the US government would be doing that with or without any war in Ukraine.

    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago. That point is never made in MAGA circles as they speak of aid to Ukraine as if it is all cash.

    It's not simply checks being written to defense industries. Some of that exists but the bulk has been in previously purchased hardware. It's the EU that has been writing them checks to keep their economy going.

    The Bradleys for example were 100% paid for and were scheduled to be decommissioned. The Strykers were sitting in storage. The US built a ton of F-16s and didn't know what to do with them.

    The M1 tanks are the older version. I really disagree with this decision as I believe heavy tanks are on their way out which makes trying to hide their secrets a moot point. Might as well give them the latest ones but the Ukrainians actually appear to prefer the Bradleys. Biden sent them about 60 more through a loophole deal with Greece.

    This war has been one long commercial for the US defense industry. HIMARs are back ordered for over 10 years. Excalibur is also another popular seller.

    Putin has ensured a steady stream of profits for the US defense industry for over 10 years. Anyone that purchased a mutual fund of defense stocks in Feb of 2022 would have beaten the market. US defense industries are definitely winners in this war. They never expected this type of profit bonanza in such a short time.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @sudden death
    @Mikel


    Military spending is like spending a lot on securing your house from burglars and criminals and having less to spend on leisure, travel and health. With the aggravating factor that many of those criminals wouldn’t even be there threatening you if you hadn’t threatened them before.
     
    Returning to this theme - spending for security in the house in principle is almost indistinguishable from preventive health spending, cause most likely you won't have good health anymore after criminals will visit you, at least for a while, in best case;) Also it's quite naive to think that many criminals are doing criminal things because they're acting in retribution for some real or imaginable threats, cause the basic reason is just greed for getting some material things or even sadistic self satisfaction while acting violently.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ennui

  217. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Next article on the same page from JJ:

    "Avdiivka’s capture would yield little strategic advantage for Russia — Bloomberg"

    :)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

    I said months ago that they will probably give up Avidiika. That’s in my history so no need to speculate on my future comments.

    It’s too far from the current supply lines.

    Avidiika was majority Ukranian but will now just be a desolate wasteland. That must be the liberation that the dwarf defenders speak of.

    Those of you that think Russia doesn’t have massive tank losses in Avidiika can go ahead and explain why the Ukrainians came across this tank from 1956:

    Note the welded cope cage but it has identifications from the 1956 uprising.

    A Bradley can chew through a tank that old like a pop can.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    I said months ago that they will probably give up Avidiika.
     
    Everywhere Russia wants, 404 will "probably give up" you retarded POS. How they gave up, the enormous loss (2500 casualties on last day when already withdrawing) that is what is relevant.....as is that west Donetsk now safe from artillery fire at least, water filtration station comes under our control, key logistics point. Our defence of DNR became much stronger - Ukronazis defence of their occupied Donetsk much less secure.....all that is what is relevant.

    It’s too far from the current supply lines.
     
    LMAO - cause and effect not of interest to this dipshit.
    "Forcing" Russian AF to use up aviation fuel.......is that the new BS excuse for total lack of air Defence for 3 weeks and more?

    Russia.....organised, safe withdrawal from Kupiansk, Kherson, Kiev, around Sumy, around Chernigov, Chernobyl ( after completing key strategic objective).....and Gostomel where , LMAO, ukronazis against not more than 100 VDV could not reseize in 1 month. Gostomel also, possibly key strategic objective completed there.

    In process of safe-withdrawal from Kupiansk and right-bank Kherson and Krasniy Liman .....attract in 1000's, 10's of 1000's of ukronazis slaughtered in the "re-taking" operations, men deployed there to secure the withdrawal get out our men out

    Now for the Ukronazis freakshow, LOL.

    Total chaos, withdrawal a huge disaster - even though it started both before official withdrawal from Avdeevka annonuncement anyway. Deployment of 3rd Assault Brigade (from Kramatorsk) .....just about one of the most inefficient, disastrous decisions in modern military history. Literally did nothing, at enormous cost. Extreme level of mass deaths of ukrops in those last 3 days, so easily avoidable.

    Replies: @Jazman

  218. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    An interesting fact about Josep Borrell, his paternal grandparents were Spanish immigrants from Argentina, where they ran a bakery in the city of Mendoza.

    In 2019, he acquired Argentine citizenship through descent, stating that he wished to honour the memory of his father, who grew up in Mendoza.



    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1757241522465227166

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird

    …Josep Borrell, his paternal grandparents were Spanish immigrants from Argentina, where they ran a bakery in the city of Mendoza.

    Let’s speculate a bit: Argentinian bourgeois family moving to Spain to live under Franco…that says a lot. He grew up in the hatred of the Russkies and is one of the worst. It is in his blood. Same as Baerbock, Sholz, Tusk…what we have here are latter-day descendants from mostly Nazi-supporting families. It is incurable.

    The Gaza speech was good, but it probably only means that he is on his way out and knows it: the designated truth teller for a large group of the EU genocide-the-Palis fans. They will point to him in their defense as “see, we (?) didn’t remain silent...”

    They don’t know much, but they are really good at cya…must be an evolutionary adjustment.

  219. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ... the theory that “Ukrainians” - well this was the Zaporizhian Cossacks , which have zero connection to most of the land and people of Ukraine - were not Russians
     
    We should leave it up to the people to decide who they are. Many can be both. The Galician (Western) Ukies have their own identity - language, history, folklore, even a half-and-half religion (Ortho-papism). It gradually tapers of to the east and south. The cities are mostly Russian. The Cossacks were originally a mish-mash of everyone who moved to the wild fields, their strongest identity was Orthodoxy.

    I wonder how this is going to play out. Russia will almost certainly win, but what to do with the residual Ukie hostility? Russia has traditionally preferred to put a lid on hard issues - they are not very industrious like the Westies. There will be a rump-Ukieland somewhere in the centre-west and it will be one unhappy bunch. The south-east will be partially depopulated but rich in resources - most of the good stuff in Ukraine is there. Millions of Ukies in Europe and Russia will quickly assimilate...

    To summarize the Ukie independence: they went from a 50-million, France-sized, rich country with great education and geography to a middling, isolated half-size battlefield. In return they got material for future teary myths, weapons, visas, speeches, and Zelko travelled a lot - who can forget the standing ovation in the Canadian Parliament? That was the apogee - an elderly Nazi saluted by the Westies (finally, they could show it) and the Ukie-Jew grinning and pretending that he "knows nothing"...What a show! If Hollywood had any brains it is quite a story...But they prefer happy-endings.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    Podolyak, well-known Zelensky “advisor”/propagandist – his brother living in Moscow, working for FSB

    I have never given much, well any , attention to what this Podolyak scum has ever said – too much of a zero-power,zero-talent, infinite publicity creep typical of those at top in 404 – but this recent news certainly did get my attention.

    In some ways it’s statistically normal – practically everyone has relative or close friend living in Russia, Ukraine and vice-versa. It doesn’t change the sickening and amusing element of it though.
    You would think its exactly these connections that made our government hopeful that some sanity, ANY sanity would have woken in Banderastan from 2014-2021 that wouldn’t have made their destruction now necessary. But it didn’t happen

    Our government is responsible and cautious…….. just SOME positive movement on just ONE of issues – Minsk Agreements, Derussication (language laws, religion, education , arrests etc) or stopping Nord Steam 2/forcing gas transit through 404 & other cheap “peremoga” using corrupt European courts……would have stopped or certainly delayed the start of SMO.
    But as I say, Ukrainianism as an ideology is a betrayal of your family, your religion and your culture & history.

    The amusing thing is that all these swine- Poroshenko, Sirsky (head of VSU), Zelensky, Danilov, Reznikov ( Defence Minister at start of SMO), Zelensky and Podolyak etc……not one of them would have been allowed to get equivalent job in Russia or ANY western countries. The security services would not have given then security clearance for information required because of these very close connections to “enemy state”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Gerard1234

    I agree Russia is the straight-man in this war - they are so cautious they are even protecting the 'enemy'. The fact that it took Russia almost 10 years to get going - and they were still not quite ready - shows the deep conservative nature. But once they got going there is no force to stop them, other than maybe nukes or a "pretend" surrender.

    Putin said to Carlson something like "this is like a civil war". When they could attack foreign mercenaries they did it with a gusto (and very successfully), but there is reluctance to kill too many Ukies. If Poles come in they would get massacred very quickly - Russians are probably itching to get "foreign" targets on the Ukie soil.

    Civil wars are bloody but don't end in a stalemate. What happens in civil wars is the stronger party eventually wins and the die-hards among the losers run away. If Kiev wants to save something from the Ukie project they would quickly make a deal - any territory with enough people no matter how "unfree" would keep the Ukieland going. But they won't be allowed.

  220. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    An interesting fact about Josep Borrell, his paternal grandparents were Spanish immigrants from Argentina, where they ran a bakery in the city of Mendoza.

    In 2019, he acquired Argentine citizenship through descent, stating that he wished to honour the memory of his father, who grew up in Mendoza.



    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1757241522465227166

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird

    Not really closely related, but I recall someone (Ingraham? Coulter?) once speaking very highly of Ricardo Montalbán.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @songbird

    I know it wasn't S. I. Hayakawa.


    https://youtu.be/Mo09kFVa7_8?si=-X8ORpglWxbxDxkh&t=105

    Replies: @songbird

  221. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    USA is also biggest weaponry exporter, out there so all those expenses will come back eventually and reduce US trade deficit.
     
    You are confusing two totally separate things. If adding tens of billions of dollars to the deficit by giving away weapons to a foreign country was a good thing for the economy, the US government would be doing that with or without any war in Ukraine. Why do you think that the US doesn't do that regularly and no serious economist recommends donating billions in weapons as an ongoing policy?

    It is true that it has so happened that the US (and other Western) weapons have proven very effective while the Russian military in general has proven much weaker than anyone thought. It could have been the other way (and things can still turn around as the war drags on and the Russians learn from their mistakes and test-field new weapons) but for now this is resulting in increased sales of US weapons. However, the push to donate many billions in weapons to Ukraine is not based on how good it is for US exports, it would be there even if the Russians had proven more capable and it would likely be even more acute in that case. US officials and lawmakers would be more pressed to stop a Russian advance towards the West. So let's not confuse two totally separate things.

    Besides, increased military spending by the global West is just another form of the broken window fallacy. Sure, if Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Norway, Greece, Netherlands and all the rest get convinced that the Russians are going to land on their shores anytime now and start buying US weapons like maniacs, imagine how good that would be for US weapons manufacturers (while the mania lasts). But that is money that they will have to stop using on other more pressing needs for their populations and divert to the Russian boogeyman threat. Bastiat's broken window fallacy in its pure form. Money that individuals would have spent on something totally different out of their free will will get diverted to a real or self-inflicted problem that wasn't there before, and the collective becomes poorer, just like when someone breaks the windows of their houses.

    I'm actually quite happy to see that the weapons protecting the countries where me and my extended family live are very good. But rather than seeing Raytheon's and Boeing's profits grow, I'd prefer to live in a world with much less military spending and thus much more money available to fix the things that I really care about. Military spending is like spending a lot on securing your house from burglars and criminals and having less to spend on leisure, travel and health. With the aggravating factor that many of those criminals wouldn't even be there threatening you if you hadn't threatened them before.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

    .If adding tens of billions of dollars to the deficit by giving away weapons to a foreign country was a good thing for the economy, the US government would be doing that with or without any war in Ukraine.

    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago. That point is never made in MAGA circles as they speak of aid to Ukraine as if it is all cash.

    It’s not simply checks being written to defense industries. Some of that exists but the bulk has been in previously purchased hardware. It’s the EU that has been writing them checks to keep their economy going.

    The Bradleys for example were 100% paid for and were scheduled to be decommissioned. The Strykers were sitting in storage. The US built a ton of F-16s and didn’t know what to do with them.

    The M1 tanks are the older version. I really disagree with this decision as I believe heavy tanks are on their way out which makes trying to hide their secrets a moot point. Might as well give them the latest ones but the Ukrainians actually appear to prefer the Bradleys. Biden sent them about 60 more through a loophole deal with Greece.

    This war has been one long commercial for the US defense industry. HIMARs are back ordered for over 10 years. Excalibur is also another popular seller.

    Putin has ensured a steady stream of profits for the US defense industry for over 10 years. Anyone that purchased a mutual fund of defense stocks in Feb of 2022 would have beaten the market. US defense industries are definitely winners in this war. They never expected this type of profit bonanza in such a short time.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago.
     
    That was discussed here long ago but, as usual, you were distracted watching military porn. Go learn what a supplemental appropriations bill is and what it implies for the public deficit before commenting on consequential matters.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  222. Oh man watch this Ukranian bait car video
    https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-bait-car-russians-continuously-struck-while-looting-apc/

    These Russian troops are so amateurish.

    I really doubt most of those conscripts would last another week in the elements. They are most likely looting that apc for food.

    Death by drone is probably better than freezing.

    Hilarious Funker530 comment:
    Mfers got the Vodka Veins perk +9 STRENGTH, -10 INTELLIGENCE, +10 LUCK, -10 PERCEPTION.

  223. Would sharks eat people, if they had biosonar?

    Am thinking not. Would speculate the reason orcas don’t typically eat people is that the sonar read they get is all wrong. It would be like eating a seal without any fat (in relative terms), a diseased animal.

  224. Wow, I would not have pegged Alaska as a possible point of origin for a zoonotic plague.

    [MORE]

    It may be equally necessary to keep gays out of the borreal forrest, as it is the tropical jungle.

  225. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    The plan is that technology is going to exponentially take off with AI, quantum computing, robots, genetics and the trillions debt is going to be much ado about nothing. Have you read about Altman is planning to raise 7 trillion for one project?

    These people are not stupid. They are insane. They believe Elon Musk is going to take us to fluxing Mars. You must not have read the new Karlin manifesto. They are going to edit the African gene pool and turn them all into mannerly betas. Probably don't ask any Africans about this idea would be my idea.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    The plan is that technology is going to exponentially take off with AI, quantum computing, robots, genetics and the trillions debt is going to be much ado about nothing…

    These people are not stupid. They are insane.

    That’s one way to put it. Nothing in the theoretical exponential take-off fixes the debt. They are unrelated – if anything more tech means fewer jobs and having to subsidize consumption even more.

    If there is a plan it would be based on two things:
    – get hold of resources: arable land, water, minerals, energy…
    – cut the global population.

    The elites understand the money part is only the means – it explains the hysteria about Russia: 1/4 of the world’s resources and a small population. The goals are basically unreachable: no amount of tech-AI-genes can do it. Most of the elites feel essentially powerless – it is also happening to them they just enjoy it more.

    There is the marginal elite of the busy-body empire builders who get a lot of visibility. They don’t do it because they think it will work – only the stupid ones do – but because it is fun and it is all they care about. It is entertainment, distraction from the ennui. (Have you been to the Georgetown dinner parties?…f..k, I would invade Denmark to escape.)

    They plot, invade, lie, watch others die…but are powerless. The stories they tell are skeletons of real life – protagonists are caricatures (look at Zelko or BoJo), narratives always black-and-white, and there is a purpose to give it a meaning. The real life stories don’t have a purpose.

    The Africans will be fine, nature rules there, they have high T and stay away from miraculous drugs. And evolution will do its part, eventually.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Your post reminds me of rural Russians that think the US wants to harvest their resources. You and the rest of Russia really don't understand the Western elite.

    The Western elites do not need to go on new colonialization adventures as if this is the 19th century.

    They all have plenty of money and just want the stock market to keep ticking up.

    Most of them are blue bloods and were born into multi-million dollar portfolios.

    They would have been thrilled if Russia had remained a democracy and developed more like the Baltics. They don't need to send US companies to Siberia. Russians will buy plenty of iPhones and Teslas with their own oil profits. With the right company positioning there is more profit in staying home than going on colonial adventures. The British figured this out a few hundred years ago.

    The Africans will be fine, nature rules there, they have high T and stay away from miraculous drugs. And evolution will do its part, eventually.

    If fine you mean by fine they eventually they have some economic or natural disaster where can't feed themselves and show up to the US/EU in droves.

    The African question will have to be solved. There is no way around it. Eventually both right and left will have to face the reality that Wakanda Lost fantasy and Africans are also not a lost tribe of Noah. That doesn't mean the solution has to be fascist or racist. They probably need more public/private relationships with the West where economic expertise is provided.

    Replies: @Beckow

  226. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    .If adding tens of billions of dollars to the deficit by giving away weapons to a foreign country was a good thing for the economy, the US government would be doing that with or without any war in Ukraine.

    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago. That point is never made in MAGA circles as they speak of aid to Ukraine as if it is all cash.

    It's not simply checks being written to defense industries. Some of that exists but the bulk has been in previously purchased hardware. It's the EU that has been writing them checks to keep their economy going.

    The Bradleys for example were 100% paid for and were scheduled to be decommissioned. The Strykers were sitting in storage. The US built a ton of F-16s and didn't know what to do with them.

    The M1 tanks are the older version. I really disagree with this decision as I believe heavy tanks are on their way out which makes trying to hide their secrets a moot point. Might as well give them the latest ones but the Ukrainians actually appear to prefer the Bradleys. Biden sent them about 60 more through a loophole deal with Greece.

    This war has been one long commercial for the US defense industry. HIMARs are back ordered for over 10 years. Excalibur is also another popular seller.

    Putin has ensured a steady stream of profits for the US defense industry for over 10 years. Anyone that purchased a mutual fund of defense stocks in Feb of 2022 would have beaten the market. US defense industries are definitely winners in this war. They never expected this type of profit bonanza in such a short time.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago.

    That was discussed here long ago but, as usual, you were distracted watching military porn. Go learn what a supplemental appropriations bill is and what it implies for the public deficit before commenting on consequential matters.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago.
     
    That was discussed here long ago but, as usual, you were distracted watching military porn. Go learn what a supplemental appropriations bill is and what it implies for the public deficit before commenting on consequential matters.

    Most of US aid to Ukraine has been military assistance and most of the weapons are pre-existing stock.

    Note that the largest section of military aid is from weapons and equipment from Defense Department stocks.
    https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/10/cfr-ukraine-aid-1.png

    Which means most of the weapons were paid for years ago as I stated. Did you think all those weapons could be built in a year?

    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.

    It tells me they go through the day in a delusional state and are only interested in verifying aspects of reality when forced.

    Replies: @Mikel

  227. Have seen a picture of Sinéad O’Connor when she was a girl, with long hair, and I will now agree conditionally with Dmitry and say that she was pretty – back then.

    But super r-selected and crazy as a loon. And woke.

    Incidentally, I don’t understand how the coroner said “natural causes”, does that just mean they didn’t do an autopsy?

  228. @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The plan is that technology is going to exponentially take off with AI, quantum computing, robots, genetics and the trillions debt is going to be much ado about nothing...

    These people are not stupid. They are insane.
     

    That's one way to put it. Nothing in the theoretical exponential take-off fixes the debt. They are unrelated - if anything more tech means fewer jobs and having to subsidize consumption even more.

    If there is a plan it would be based on two things:
    - get hold of resources: arable land, water, minerals, energy...
    - cut the global population.

    The elites understand the money part is only the means - it explains the hysteria about Russia: 1/4 of the world's resources and a small population. The goals are basically unreachable: no amount of tech-AI-genes can do it. Most of the elites feel essentially powerless - it is also happening to them they just enjoy it more.

    There is the marginal elite of the busy-body empire builders who get a lot of visibility. They don't do it because they think it will work - only the stupid ones do - but because it is fun and it is all they care about. It is entertainment, distraction from the ennui. (Have you been to the Georgetown dinner parties?...f..k, I would invade Denmark to escape.)

    They plot, invade, lie, watch others die...but are powerless. The stories they tell are skeletons of real life - protagonists are caricatures (look at Zelko or BoJo), narratives always black-and-white, and there is a purpose to give it a meaning. The real life stories don't have a purpose.

    The Africans will be fine, nature rules there, they have high T and stay away from miraculous drugs. And evolution will do its part, eventually.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Your post reminds me of rural Russians that think the US wants to harvest their resources. You and the rest of Russia really don’t understand the Western elite.

    The Western elites do not need to go on new colonialization adventures as if this is the 19th century.

    They all have plenty of money and just want the stock market to keep ticking up.

    Most of them are blue bloods and were born into multi-million dollar portfolios.

    They would have been thrilled if Russia had remained a democracy and developed more like the Baltics. They don’t need to send US companies to Siberia. Russians will buy plenty of iPhones and Teslas with their own oil profits. With the right company positioning there is more profit in staying home than going on colonial adventures. The British figured this out a few hundred years ago.

    The Africans will be fine, nature rules there, they have high T and stay away from miraculous drugs. And evolution will do its part, eventually.

    If fine you mean by fine they eventually they have some economic or natural disaster where can’t feed themselves and show up to the US/EU in droves.

    The African question will have to be solved. There is no way around it. Eventually both right and left will have to face the reality that Wakanda Lost fantasy and Africans are also not a lost tribe of Noah. That doesn’t mean the solution has to be fascist or racist. They probably need more public/private relationships with the West where economic expertise is provided.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...They all have plenty of money...Most of them are blue bloods
     
    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)

    The point about "money" is that it has to be based on something. You don't seem to understand that, the elites do. The Western economy is already about half dig-and-fill-holes - economic activity for the sake activity, meta-bulls..t-jobs that nobody needs and can't be consumed. To sustain itself it needs material resources, at some point the global money relations will reflect that.


    Africans show up to the US/EU in droves.
     
    They already have been and more will come. There is no solution - it is built into the current system: the world as an open place with easy travel. No amount of development in Africa will make any difference: the reason they come is exactly because the Western "money" is massively over-valued, they want some of it...maybe they are not too smart, but it is very basic math.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  229. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago.
     
    That was discussed here long ago but, as usual, you were distracted watching military porn. Go learn what a supplemental appropriations bill is and what it implies for the public deficit before commenting on consequential matters.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago.

    That was discussed here long ago but, as usual, you were distracted watching military porn. Go learn what a supplemental appropriations bill is and what it implies for the public deficit before commenting on consequential matters.

    Most of US aid to Ukraine has been military assistance and most of the weapons are pre-existing stock.

    Note that the largest section of military aid is from weapons and equipment from Defense Department stocks.
    Which means most of the weapons were paid for years ago as I stated. Did you think all those weapons could be built in a year?

    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.

    It tells me they go through the day in a delusional state and are only interested in verifying aspects of reality when forced.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.
     
    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand when or why the federal government needs to request a supplemental appropriations bill. You may ask them to go look it up as much as you want but it's just beyond their intellectual comprehension.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

  230. @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    Podolyak, well-known Zelensky "advisor"/propagandist - his brother living in Moscow, working for FSB

    I have never given much, well any , attention to what this Podolyak scum has ever said - too much of a zero-power,zero-talent, infinite publicity creep typical of those at top in 404 - but this recent news certainly did get my attention.

    In some ways it's statistically normal - practically everyone has relative or close friend living in Russia, Ukraine and vice-versa. It doesn't change the sickening and amusing element of it though.
    You would think its exactly these connections that made our government hopeful that some sanity, ANY sanity would have woken in Banderastan from 2014-2021 that wouldn't have made their destruction now necessary. But it didn't happen

    Our government is responsible and cautious........ just SOME positive movement on just ONE of issues - Minsk Agreements, Derussication (language laws, religion, education , arrests etc) or stopping Nord Steam 2/forcing gas transit through 404 & other cheap "peremoga" using corrupt European courts......would have stopped or certainly delayed the start of SMO.
    But as I say, Ukrainianism as an ideology is a betrayal of your family, your religion and your culture & history.

    The amusing thing is that all these swine- Poroshenko, Sirsky (head of VSU), Zelensky, Danilov, Reznikov ( Defence Minister at start of SMO), Zelensky and Podolyak etc......not one of them would have been allowed to get equivalent job in Russia or ANY western countries. The security services would not have given then security clearance for information required because of these very close connections to "enemy state".

    Replies: @Beckow

    I agree Russia is the straight-man in this war – they are so cautious they are even protecting the ‘enemy’. The fact that it took Russia almost 10 years to get going – and they were still not quite ready – shows the deep conservative nature. But once they got going there is no force to stop them, other than maybe nukes or a “pretend” surrender.

    Putin said to Carlson something like “this is like a civil war“. When they could attack foreign mercenaries they did it with a gusto (and very successfully), but there is reluctance to kill too many Ukies. If Poles come in they would get massacred very quickly – Russians are probably itching to get “foreign” targets on the Ukie soil.

    Civil wars are bloody but don’t end in a stalemate. What happens in civil wars is the stronger party eventually wins and the die-hards among the losers run away. If Kiev wants to save something from the Ukie project they would quickly make a deal – any territory with enough people no matter how “unfree” would keep the Ukieland going. But they won’t be allowed.

  231. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Your post reminds me of rural Russians that think the US wants to harvest their resources. You and the rest of Russia really don't understand the Western elite.

    The Western elites do not need to go on new colonialization adventures as if this is the 19th century.

    They all have plenty of money and just want the stock market to keep ticking up.

    Most of them are blue bloods and were born into multi-million dollar portfolios.

    They would have been thrilled if Russia had remained a democracy and developed more like the Baltics. They don't need to send US companies to Siberia. Russians will buy plenty of iPhones and Teslas with their own oil profits. With the right company positioning there is more profit in staying home than going on colonial adventures. The British figured this out a few hundred years ago.

    The Africans will be fine, nature rules there, they have high T and stay away from miraculous drugs. And evolution will do its part, eventually.

    If fine you mean by fine they eventually they have some economic or natural disaster where can't feed themselves and show up to the US/EU in droves.

    The African question will have to be solved. There is no way around it. Eventually both right and left will have to face the reality that Wakanda Lost fantasy and Africans are also not a lost tribe of Noah. That doesn't mean the solution has to be fascist or racist. They probably need more public/private relationships with the West where economic expertise is provided.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …They all have plenty of money…Most of them are blue bloods

    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)

    The point about “money” is that it has to be based on something. You don’t seem to understand that, the elites do. The Western economy is already about half dig-and-fill-holes – economic activity for the sake activity, meta-bulls..t-jobs that nobody needs and can’t be consumed. To sustain itself it needs material resources, at some point the global money relations will reflect that.

    Africans show up to the US/EU in droves.

    They already have been and more will come. There is no solution – it is built into the current system: the world as an open place with easy travel. No amount of development in Africa will make any difference: the reason they come is exactly because the Western “money” is massively over-valued, they want some of it…maybe they are not too smart, but it is very basic math.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …They all have plenty of money…Most of them are blue bloods
     
    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)

    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.

    They have a parent or grandparent that got rich in America and even though they play with businesses they still have the family reserve that they can fall back on if they f-ck up. Kind of like Trump.

    The point about “money” is that it has to be based on something. You don’t seem to understand that, the elites do.

    No I think you don't understand the stock market and how the elites can sit on their asses if they want.

    You can put 10 million into a safe mutual fund or mma and live off of it. This has been true since the 1950s and most blue blood children simply live on their inherited wealth. In US resort towns it is pretty easy to spot the blue bloods. They are socially disconnected and have a harder time interacting with the public. They don't view themselves as part of America and will throw tantrums easily. I almost knocked one out for getting lippy with my wife as we were ordering coffee. If their awkward social interactions don't make it obvious they normally drive a brand new SUV with tinted windows. These are the "job creators" that Republicans tell us should be left alone. Most do not employ anyone outside of nannys and accountants.

    The Western elite do not need to go adventuring for new areas to mine or exploit. No one is salivating over Russian resources. Having funds in the US stock market is enough. People around the world cannot stop buying iPhones or going to Disney movies. Meaning they are not under threat by anyone.

    The US and Britain use the company store model. You're not getting one "over the man" by increasing your paycheck and then going back to buy everything from the company. Venezuela tried taking more of the profit by breaking contracts and screwed up their own economy.

    To sustain itself it needs material resources, at some point the global money relations will reflect that.

    The world has finite resources but the Western elite can sit on their assess for another 20 years if they so desire. They would have preferred Russia to develop into a democracy and also manage its own resources. The stock market will get it back in Boeing purchases, US patents, software, medicine, etc.

    Elizabeth Warren proposed a fraction of a percentage point in a wealth tax and both Republicans and Democrats lined up to shut it down. I agree with Robert Reich who said that the wealthy in the US already won the class war.

    No amount of development in Africa will make any difference: the reason they come is exactly because the Western “money” is massively over-valued, they want some of it…maybe they are not too smart, but it is very basic math.

    That's overly pessimistic. Botswana has made a lot of economic gains with Chinese investment.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/botswana-forecasts-economic-rebound-budget-focus-infrastructure-2024-02-05/

    A 5 year Botswana note would have paid off better than the Russian Ruble.

    I'm not a fan of China but that is a better path than liberal Wakanda Lost or conservative "free market" wishful thinking.

    I'm also not an egalitarian nor a globalist. But the West will have to face the dark continent at some point and have this conversation. Nigeria is probably the main problem. But that is years off as our US politicians still cannot face the reality of Haiti. Most of Haiti is currently under gang control and their leader is an ex-cop who has eaten people. Not making this up.

    Replies: @Beckow

  232. @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    Most of the weapons were paid for years ago.
     
    That was discussed here long ago but, as usual, you were distracted watching military porn. Go learn what a supplemental appropriations bill is and what it implies for the public deficit before commenting on consequential matters.

    Most of US aid to Ukraine has been military assistance and most of the weapons are pre-existing stock.

    Note that the largest section of military aid is from weapons and equipment from Defense Department stocks.
    https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/10/cfr-ukraine-aid-1.png

    Which means most of the weapons were paid for years ago as I stated. Did you think all those weapons could be built in a year?

    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.

    It tells me they go through the day in a delusional state and are only interested in verifying aspects of reality when forced.

    Replies: @Mikel

    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.

    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand when or why the federal government needs to request a supplemental appropriations bill. You may ask them to go look it up as much as you want but it’s just beyond their intellectual comprehension.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.
     
    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand

    Were more civilians killed from the entire period of 2014-2020 or week one of the invasion? Feel free to use Russian sources.

    I've had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of "mass shelling of Donbas civilians" and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened. They all run and hide when asked to provide details. They don't even have an RT.news source. Anglin pathetically tried to make this claim and couldn't back it. It's just something repeated on pro-Putin sites that censor dissidents such as MoonOfAlabama. Putin defenders just assume it must be true because it didn't come from CNN. That is a common mistake on Unz. Assuming a foreign or independent source must be true because it isn't from the MSM. Just because the MSM lies doesn't mean MoA or Scott Ritter is trying to tell the truth.

    The open forum format doesn't work for liberals trying to deny group genetics nor does it work for Putin fans trying to explain how he isn't such a bad guy. Both groups are better off seeking censored media sources.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand when or why the federal government needs to request a supplemental appropriations bill.
     
    IIRC you repeatedly failed to understand that the money was being spent to replace the military stocks sent to Ukraine, and not on the military items sent to Ukraine themselves. Am I mistaken in my description of your prior statements or of your current stance, or do you acknowledge that much of this money is actually going to upgrade the US military with new equipment and not to pay for stuff sent to Ukraine (which was paid for long ago when it was placed into US stockpiles).

    So yes, money will be spent - hence the request. But in terms of equipment, it's money being spent on giving the USA the best and most upgraded weapons while Ukraine gets the obsolete stuff (which is still much better than the junk that Russia uses).

    Replies: @Mikel

  233. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...They all have plenty of money...Most of them are blue bloods
     
    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)

    The point about "money" is that it has to be based on something. You don't seem to understand that, the elites do. The Western economy is already about half dig-and-fill-holes - economic activity for the sake activity, meta-bulls..t-jobs that nobody needs and can't be consumed. To sustain itself it needs material resources, at some point the global money relations will reflect that.


    Africans show up to the US/EU in droves.
     
    They already have been and more will come. There is no solution - it is built into the current system: the world as an open place with easy travel. No amount of development in Africa will make any difference: the reason they come is exactly because the Western "money" is massively over-valued, they want some of it...maybe they are not too smart, but it is very basic math.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    …They all have plenty of money…Most of them are blue bloods

    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)

    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.

    They have a parent or grandparent that got rich in America and even though they play with businesses they still have the family reserve that they can fall back on if they f-ck up. Kind of like Trump.

    The point about “money” is that it has to be based on something. You don’t seem to understand that, the elites do.

    No I think you don’t understand the stock market and how the elites can sit on their asses if they want.

    You can put 10 million into a safe mutual fund or mma and live off of it. This has been true since the 1950s and most blue blood children simply live on their inherited wealth. In US resort towns it is pretty easy to spot the blue bloods. They are socially disconnected and have a harder time interacting with the public. They don’t view themselves as part of America and will throw tantrums easily. I almost knocked one out for getting lippy with my wife as we were ordering coffee. If their awkward social interactions don’t make it obvious they normally drive a brand new SUV with tinted windows. These are the “job creators” that Republicans tell us should be left alone. Most do not employ anyone outside of nannys and accountants.

    The Western elite do not need to go adventuring for new areas to mine or exploit. No one is salivating over Russian resources. Having funds in the US stock market is enough. People around the world cannot stop buying iPhones or going to Disney movies. Meaning they are not under threat by anyone.

    The US and Britain use the company store model. You’re not getting one “over the man” by increasing your paycheck and then going back to buy everything from the company. Venezuela tried taking more of the profit by breaking contracts and screwed up their own economy.

    [MORE]

    To sustain itself it needs material resources, at some point the global money relations will reflect that.

    The world has finite resources but the Western elite can sit on their assess for another 20 years if they so desire. They would have preferred Russia to develop into a democracy and also manage its own resources. The stock market will get it back in Boeing purchases, US patents, software, medicine, etc.

    Elizabeth Warren proposed a fraction of a percentage point in a wealth tax and both Republicans and Democrats lined up to shut it down. I agree with Robert Reich who said that the wealthy in the US already won the class war.

    No amount of development in Africa will make any difference: the reason they come is exactly because the Western “money” is massively over-valued, they want some of it…maybe they are not too smart, but it is very basic math.

    That’s overly pessimistic. Botswana has made a lot of economic gains with Chinese investment.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/botswana-forecasts-economic-rebound-budget-focus-infrastructure-2024-02-05/

    A 5 year Botswana note would have paid off better than the Russian Ruble.

    I’m not a fan of China but that is a better path than liberal Wakanda Lost or conservative “free market” wishful thinking.

    I’m also not an egalitarian nor a globalist. But the West will have to face the dark continent at some point and have this conversation. Nigeria is probably the main problem. But that is years off as our US politicians still cannot face the reality of Haiti. Most of Haiti is currently under gang control and their leader is an ex-cop who has eaten people. Not making this up.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)...
    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.
     
    Habs were not Jewish. Your "most are not" doesn't match what we observe. Where do you live? Arkansas?

    I understand markets - my point is the financials are not real assets, they are a reflection of assets. A way to keep the score. Pay attention how the real assets are changing because the financials follow.


    I almost knocked one out for getting lippy with my wife as we were ordering coffee.
     
    Hold on, back up...was the lippy part consummated? Before or after she drunk the coffee? You may have bigger issues than trying to grab Crimea from the Russkies...Try Botswana, friend worked there as a doctor, easy work, great pay, but his wife almost left him. You know it is Botswana...but invest, why not, both Boeing and Pfizer are down 50% in the last few years...

    They would have preferred Russia to develop into a democracy and also manage its own resources.
     
    It didn't look like that in the last 20 years...Nato to Crimea? Why did anyone think that was a good idea? We remember you claimed it was all "fake", hot air talk, no "plan", Russians went looking for monsters when there was nothing but sincere friendship...is that what you believe? Maybe Botswana is the place for you. Or Arkansas...

    Most of Haiti is currently under gang control and their leader is an ex-cop who has eaten people. Not making this up.
     
    Zelko&Co. (and the nation of Polacks) say that about Putin...anything is possible, but I think people exaggerate, there are a lot of media folklore tales...

    I’m also not an egalitarian nor a globalist...
     
    If I recall you also don't care much for Mormons...three things we agree on. Now on to solving the Crimea dilemma, how about we give it to Goths? They annoy me with all the tattoos and bad music. Historically the Goths have better claim to Crimea than the Jews have to Palestine...they used to live there more recently...

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  234. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.
     
    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand when or why the federal government needs to request a supplemental appropriations bill. You may ask them to go look it up as much as you want but it's just beyond their intellectual comprehension.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.

    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand

    Were more civilians killed from the entire period of 2014-2020 or week one of the invasion? Feel free to use Russian sources.

    I’ve had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of “mass shelling of Donbas civilians” and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened. They all run and hide when asked to provide details. They don’t even have an RT.news source. Anglin pathetically tried to make this claim and couldn’t back it. It’s just something repeated on pro-Putin sites that censor dissidents such as MoonOfAlabama. Putin defenders just assume it must be true because it didn’t come from CNN. That is a common mistake on Unz. Assuming a foreign or independent source must be true because it isn’t from the MSM. Just because the MSM lies doesn’t mean MoA or Scott Ritter is trying to tell the truth.

    The open forum format doesn’t work for liberals trying to deny group genetics nor does it work for Putin fans trying to explain how he isn’t such a bad guy. Both groups are better off seeking censored media sources.

    • Replies: @AP
    @John Johnson


    I’ve had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of “mass shelling of Donbas civilians” and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened.
     
    I don't know about "mass shelling" events (the largest single event involving civilian casualties was when the Russian forces bombed Mariupol in 2015 but according to the UN, total casualties of the Donbas war 2014-2021 was about 13,000 civilian + military. Of these, around 10,000 were military and around 3,000 were civilian casualties (+ another 300 civilians who were on the Malaysian plane shot down by Donbas rebels).

    Of the 3,000 or so civilian casualties, about 80% were killed in the Russian side (i.e., by Ukrainian forces). This could have been by mortar fire, shelling, rocket attacks, running over landmines, etc. The Russians controlled large cities near the front (such as Donetsk itself, and Horlivka) while the Ukrainians controlled more rural areas, so in any exchange of fire the Russian side would have more civilians getting hit.

    There do not seem to have been "mass shelling events" - even the Mariupol rocket strike by the Russians wouldn't qualify as that. It seems to have been the result of a single rocket.

    Almost all of the 3,000 civilian deaths occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021 it was around 9 people.

    Here is a UN report from February 2020:

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/29thReportUkraine_EN.pdf

    From that report, here are civilian deaths in each year, until February 2020:

    https://i.imgur.com/p2GOVUd.png

    The report concludes: "During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 15 February 2020, OHCHR recorded in total 3,052 conflict-related civilian deaths (1,812 men, 1,056 women, 98 boys, 49 girls and 37 adults whose sex is unknown). Taking into account the 298 who perished on board of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014, the total death toll of the conflict on civilians has reached at least 3,350"

    Russians will lie and just focus on the number 13,000 and say Ukrainians killed 13,000 civilians. For example here is Putin in March 2022:

    https://tass.com/politics/1417543

    Up to 14,000 civilians in the Donetsk and Lugansk republics have been killed since 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday.
    , @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    I’ve had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of “mass shelling of Donbas civilians” and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened.
     
    You can't imagine how little anyone here cares about the moronic arguments you've had with fellow wankers in other parts of Unz. You're enough of an embarrassment with your constant military porn exhibitionism, no need to tell us time and again that you also like wasting your time in the unhinged corners of Unz where people call you a Jew and all that. Nobody gives a f-ck.

    More importantly, though, I have never "defended" Putin in my life, mush less since he invaded Ukraine. I know that you are too dumb to understand this or to even remember that I am not Mikhail (or who knows who you are confusing me with this time). But, you, on the other hand, have repeatedly minimized the fact that the Ukrainian government killed thousands of its own civilians or even denied that it ever happened. That is much worse than being a moron. That puts you straight in the lowlife category.

    Putin is a criminal and a liar but I am quite convinced that he wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if the Kiev goons hadn't killed so many innocent people in Donbas. He wouldn't have had enough of a casus belli and sympathy for the operation among ordinary Russians. As I've argued in the past, perhaps that was Putin's calculation all along. Provoke the criminal response he knew his Sovok comrades in Kiev would unleash by capturing cities in Donbas and build an excuse to invade later in order to "protect" the Russian population in Ukraine. Typical modus operandi of Sovok gangsters.

    While I never supported any of them, you keep supporting the Kiev scum wholeheartedly. What kind of "contacts" do you have in Ukraine? Why did you say the other day that you could emigrate there if the US goes bust? Speak up and let us know the real reason why you spend your days watching videos of Russian soldiers getting killed.

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  235. @Beckow
    @AP

    You again demonstrated your inability to accept reality. Like a small child you medicate yourself with happy talk..."no, we didn't lose the war! don't worry Johnny-boy, we packed our suitcases and left, and here is another far-fetched idiotic analogy"...anything but to see clearly.


    If the Muslims or Africans take over the West they will move into your lands next. Or maybe the fleeing Germans will, and you will be outnumbered in your own homeland.
     
    So far no sight of them. But we do have about 200 Dutch farmers who couldn't take it anymore at home, they lease lands from us. There are different scenarios in the Euro future, some better, some worse - and there is the catastrophic one. Our assumption is that the Westies are gone in a few generations, irretrievably changed...maybe by 2050. We will help them as much they help us, but they won't force on us what they are doing at home. Don't forget that our language is very hard and our bureaucracy rock-solid...:)

    Your bizarre interpretation of what has happened in the war betrays a pathological fear: Kiev had a few chances to make an acceptable deal and they threw it away. Now for the inevitable consequences. You look at numbers all the time but can't actually understand what they are telling you. More "tourniquets" won't fix it...

    Replies: @AP

    Like a small child you medicate yourself with happy talk…”no, we didn’t lose the war!

    Was Baghdad and all of Iraq taken in 5 weeks? Yes or no?

    Was the Iraqi leader captured and executed? Yes or no?

    Was the Iraqi state erased and replaced with one that the USA approved? Yes or no?

    The state that the USA gave to Iraq after defeating it is sort of a democracy. The Shiites won the elections and asked America to leave, which America did. Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there (I had been writing 2,000 – that was my mistake). This state is closer to Iran than the USA would like it to be.

    For some reason you desperately want this to mean that America was defeated in a war in Iraq.

    Kiev had a few chances to make an acceptable deal and they threw it away. Now for the inevitable consequences.

    Most likely, especially if America fails to come through – stalemate for awhile until both sides decide the current lines more or less are better than continued slaughter, with Russia not interfering with Ukraine’s internal laws, EU and probably NATO plans, Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

    If America gets its act together and resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly – about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there (I had been writing 2,000 – that was my mistake).
     
    Those troops were put back there after ISIS emerged in Iraq in 2014. Though honestly if the Iraqis ask the US to leave again, then IMHO the decent thing for the US to do would be to listen to the Iraqis and leave.

    This state is closer to Iran than the USA would like it to be.
     
    Yep. This state tries to balance between Iran and the US but knows that pissing off Iran in pursuit of US interests would not be a smart move for them. It is similar to, say, Serbs looking towards Russia in the pre-WWI era, with religion being the glue binding these countries and peoples together (and also relatively similar languages in Russia's and Serbia's case).

    Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

     

    I don't think that Ukraine will ever formally renounce its claim to its lost territories. It might renounce the use of military force to reacquire these territories, similar to what Pakistan did for Indian-controlled Kashmir in 1972 with the Simla Accord, but the territorial claim itself won't ever actually be renounced, I think.

    If America gets its act together and resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly – about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.

     

    Do you still think that Trump might be better for Ukraine than Biden after his recent NATO comments?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/14/trump-nato-allies-00141590

    FWIW, I'm not opposed to getting NATO members to pay up. I'm just wondering if this is the best way to actually get them to do this.

    Helping Ukraine more intensely would also cost the US more money. Would the fiscally conservative Trump actually approve of this?

    I'm gradually coming around to your position that Biden might not be as pro-Ukraine as he could have been. I'm just not sure that being more pro-Ukraine would have actually made a decisive difference here. Would having the US enter WWI in 1915 instead of 1917 have resulted in an earlier end to WWI, for instance? Or simply resulted in a lot more US troops getting slaughtered on the Western Front? Or some combination of the two above scenarios? Of course, with Ukraine, I'm talking about massively increased Western aid to Ukraine, not a direct Western military intervention there. But the risk remains: What if, in response to increased Western spending on Ukraine, Russia will end up spending 25+% of its own GDP on the Ukraine War? Then NATO would need to spend 1+% of its own GDP on Ukraine. Would NATO actually be capable of doing this? Philippe Lemoine doesn't think that NATO would actually care enough about Ukraine to spend that much on it.

    Biden, while not spending as much on Ukraine as he would like, also ensures that Russia does not massively increase its own spending on Ukraine, something which AFAIK Russia is capable of doing to a huge extent.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there
     
    Right...US has embassies with that many people, Moscow used to have 1k there. In a country of 25 million it means nothing. US lost the Iraq war and it cost a lot.

    stalemate for awhile until both sides decide the current lines are better than continued slaughter, with Russia not interfering with Ukraine’s internal laws, EU and probably NATO plans, Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

    If America resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly – about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.
     

    It is a given Nato will continue the supplies...and it will be lavish, the only constraint is availability. Do you predict 50% chance Kiev will take back Crimea? Wow...what would they do with the 2 million Russians there? Maybe a voluntary push to Egypt? If you can explain why Russia wouldn't use a small nuke to stop it, please do.

    The 50% stalemate will not happen, unless you define stalemate very generously. Russia can't have the Ukies bombing their civilians, they will push them back. Listen to what they say and watch what they do: grinding destruction of the Kiev's army and slow clearing of the territory. At any point they can destroy the Ukie central-western cities - they have the capability.

    You are playing with fire. The odds are a much smaller rump-Ukraine that agrees to obey - definitely no Nato. Where exactly is the new border will depend on how long it takes and whether Russia thinks they can keep the occupied lands pacified. If they go nuts it can be very bad. If they want to preserve a semblance of 'friendship' it can be milder. Why would they? Zelko&Co. go out of their way trying to provoke the most brutal retaliation.

    What if Russia snaps? Imagine a massive civilian destruction, hundreds of people, Zelko is hooting up and celebrating - and Putin has an election in a few weeks. Recognize reality and stop playing with the Ukie lives...

  236. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.
     
    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand when or why the federal government needs to request a supplemental appropriations bill. You may ask them to go look it up as much as you want but it's just beyond their intellectual comprehension.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand when or why the federal government needs to request a supplemental appropriations bill.

    IIRC you repeatedly failed to understand that the money was being spent to replace the military stocks sent to Ukraine, and not on the military items sent to Ukraine themselves. Am I mistaken in my description of your prior statements or of your current stance, or do you acknowledge that much of this money is actually going to upgrade the US military with new equipment and not to pay for stuff sent to Ukraine (which was paid for long ago when it was placed into US stockpiles).

    So yes, money will be spent – hence the request. But in terms of equipment, it’s money being spent on giving the USA the best and most upgraded weapons while Ukraine gets the obsolete stuff (which is still much better than the junk that Russia uses).

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    IIRC you repeatedly failed to understand that the money was being spent to replace the military stocks sent to Ukraine
     
    No. It's actually quite surprising how incorrectly you remember everything. I have never paid any attention to the irrelevant detail of what Biden needs funds outside of the budget for. If the Pentagon is sending existing stocks of certain weapons then those weapons have indeed been paid for (nobody supplies expensive weapons for free) and if certain other kinds of weapons, like ammunition, still need to be manufactured then the money is needed to order them.

    From an economic point of view it doesn't make any difference whatsoever if the billions are needed to replace stocks, to build new ones or, as I presume, for a mixture of both. Remember: I was not discussing military stuff with JoJo. I was discussing purely economic matters with SD, a much needed change of topic, when the creep interjected.
  237. @AnonfromTN
    Most Russian residents are already convinced that current Ukie regime must be exterminated, completely eliminated, like cancer. Yet Ukies keep reinforcing this view.

    Ukies shelled Belgorod again. Out of 18 rockets 14 were intercepted by Russian air defenses, but 4 got through. Net result of Ukie “heroics”: murdered civilians – five (including one 4 months old child hit by rocket fragment in his pram (baby carriage for Americans); wounded civilians – eighteen (including five children).

    Ukies don’t hero-worship Bandera for nothing: they act exactly like banderites.

    Replies: @AP

    Ukies shelled Belgorod again. Out of 18 rockets 14 were intercepted by Russian air defenses, but 4 got through. Net result of Ukie “heroics”: murdered civilians – five (including one 4 months old child hit by rocket fragment in his pram (baby carriage for Americans); wounded civilians – eighteen (including five children).

    This is exactly how Ukrainians write about Russian missile attacks on Ukrainian cities.

    But the process is the same similar – many rockets are intercepted, but some miss, or in other cases the air defenses miss, or in some cases the air defenses smash the rockets but the debris hits civilian areas. In all these cases civilians die, and each side claims the other deliberately aimed to kill the civilians.

    The difference is that Russians chose to start an invasion of another country whereas Ukrainians are shooting back. Belgorod is from where Russians launch rockets to attack Kharkiv, during which process many Kharkiv civilians are killed by the rockets launched from Belgorod. Maybe you’ve forgotten, but Kharkiv was bombed first.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    The difference is
     
    The difference is that Russia targets military and power-generating installations, as well as routes and stations used for military logistics, while Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.

    It is the same in Gaza. No wonder current Ukie regime immediately expressed its support for Gaza genocide by similar scum. As alchemists used to say, like dissolves like.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

  238. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukies shelled Belgorod again. Out of 18 rockets 14 were intercepted by Russian air defenses, but 4 got through. Net result of Ukie “heroics”: murdered civilians – five (including one 4 months old child hit by rocket fragment in his pram (baby carriage for Americans); wounded civilians – eighteen (including five children).
     
    This is exactly how Ukrainians write about Russian missile attacks on Ukrainian cities.

    But the process is the same similar - many rockets are intercepted, but some miss, or in other cases the air defenses miss, or in some cases the air defenses smash the rockets but the debris hits civilian areas. In all these cases civilians die, and each side claims the other deliberately aimed to kill the civilians.

    The difference is that Russians chose to start an invasion of another country whereas Ukrainians are shooting back. Belgorod is from where Russians launch rockets to attack Kharkiv, during which process many Kharkiv civilians are killed by the rockets launched from Belgorod. Maybe you've forgotten, but Kharkiv was bombed first.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The difference is

    The difference is that Russia targets military and power-generating installations, as well as routes and stations used for military logistics, while Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.

    It is the same in Gaza. No wonder current Ukie regime immediately expressed its support for Gaza genocide by similar scum. As alchemists used to say, like dissolves like.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    The difference is that Russia targets military and power-generating installations, as well as routes and stations used for military logistics, while Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.
     
    And Ukrainians will claim the exact same thing. And both claims are not true, otherwise there would be many more civilian casualties as a result of such attacks. If Ukrainians wanted to deliberately kill as many civilians as possible they would just mass bomb apartment blocks in the middle of the night, like the Americans did over Germans and Japanese cities during World War II. And vice versa.

    As I said, the only difference is that this is a war that Russia chose and started, which makes all accidental civilian deaths by both sides Russia's fault. Ukraine wouldn't be trying to hit Russian military positions and objects in Belgorod if Russia hadn't attacked Ukraine and bombed Kharkiv from Belgorod.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.

    It is the same in Gaza. No wonder current Ukie regime immediately expressed its support for Gaza genocide by similar scum.
     

    I agree. Nearly identical Ukie/Pali immorality is present in any objective view of the situation.

    For example -- Zelensky went back on his word to break 2 deals. Merkel got him to kill Minsk. BoJo and Scholz told him to abrogate the 2022 arrangement. This is an near exact parallel to Abbas repudiating the Oslo accords.

    Kiev desperately needs new leaders who are negotiation capable. Alas, that does not seem likely to happen in the near future.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  239. @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    We already had a lot of illegal immigrants back in 2008-2009 and the world didn't end back then. I was already living in California during this time.

    Replies: @QCIC

    One of the aspects of a hypothetical complex tipping point is the system behavior after the point is passed is not easily predictable. The new behavior can be much different from the prior behavior. This is in contrast to the tipping point for a simple situation or object such as a chair which simply falls over.

    Normal citizens are reasonably well behaved because they are civilized. The unassimilated people seem fairly civilized because they are well fed. Both groups will behave poorly if food becomes scarce, but only the civilized ones can be reasoned with.

    This situation is vaguely similar to a comparison of a pet which is fundamentally trustworthy (will not eat you) and a wild animal whose predatory urges have been suppressed because you have been feeding it so it is reversibly tamed. The difference is the pet is the result of selective breeding and domestication. Less civilized people still have free will, but may not live up to it in the ways we expect in civilized life.

  240. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    The difference is
     
    The difference is that Russia targets military and power-generating installations, as well as routes and stations used for military logistics, while Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.

    It is the same in Gaza. No wonder current Ukie regime immediately expressed its support for Gaza genocide by similar scum. As alchemists used to say, like dissolves like.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    The difference is that Russia targets military and power-generating installations, as well as routes and stations used for military logistics, while Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.

    And Ukrainians will claim the exact same thing. And both claims are not true, otherwise there would be many more civilian casualties as a result of such attacks. If Ukrainians wanted to deliberately kill as many civilians as possible they would just mass bomb apartment blocks in the middle of the night, like the Americans did over Germans and Japanese cities during World War II. And vice versa.

    As I said, the only difference is that this is a war that Russia chose and started, which makes all accidental civilian deaths by both sides Russia’s fault. Ukraine wouldn’t be trying to hit Russian military positions and objects in Belgorod if Russia hadn’t attacked Ukraine and bombed Kharkiv from Belgorod.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    If Ukrainians wanted to deliberately kill as many civilians as possible they would just mass bomb apartment blocks in the middle of the night, like the Americans did over Germans and Japanese cities during World War II.
     
    Was the point of this bombing simply to terrify the Germans and Japanese into destabilizing things at home and thus hopefully having WWII end sooner? Or was there something deeper behind this bombing?

    I would presume that strategic bombing wouldn't need to bomb to many civilian areas, right?

    Replies: @QCIC

  241. @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.
     
    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand

    Were more civilians killed from the entire period of 2014-2020 or week one of the invasion? Feel free to use Russian sources.

    I've had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of "mass shelling of Donbas civilians" and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened. They all run and hide when asked to provide details. They don't even have an RT.news source. Anglin pathetically tried to make this claim and couldn't back it. It's just something repeated on pro-Putin sites that censor dissidents such as MoonOfAlabama. Putin defenders just assume it must be true because it didn't come from CNN. That is a common mistake on Unz. Assuming a foreign or independent source must be true because it isn't from the MSM. Just because the MSM lies doesn't mean MoA or Scott Ritter is trying to tell the truth.

    The open forum format doesn't work for liberals trying to deny group genetics nor does it work for Putin fans trying to explain how he isn't such a bad guy. Both groups are better off seeking censored media sources.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    I’ve had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of “mass shelling of Donbas civilians” and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened.

    I don’t know about “mass shelling” events (the largest single event involving civilian casualties was when the Russian forces bombed Mariupol in 2015 but according to the UN, total casualties of the Donbas war 2014-2021 was about 13,000 civilian + military. Of these, around 10,000 were military and around 3,000 were civilian casualties (+ another 300 civilians who were on the Malaysian plane shot down by Donbas rebels).

    Of the 3,000 or so civilian casualties, about 80% were killed in the Russian side (i.e., by Ukrainian forces). This could have been by mortar fire, shelling, rocket attacks, running over landmines, etc. The Russians controlled large cities near the front (such as Donetsk itself, and Horlivka) while the Ukrainians controlled more rural areas, so in any exchange of fire the Russian side would have more civilians getting hit.

    There do not seem to have been “mass shelling events” – even the Mariupol rocket strike by the Russians wouldn’t qualify as that. It seems to have been the result of a single rocket.

    Almost all of the 3,000 civilian deaths occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021 it was around 9 people.

    Here is a UN report from February 2020:

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/29thReportUkraine_EN.pdf

    From that report, here are civilian deaths in each year, until February 2020:

    The report concludes: “During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 15 February 2020, OHCHR recorded in total 3,052 conflict-related civilian deaths (1,812 men, 1,056 women, 98 boys, 49 girls and 37 adults whose sex is unknown). Taking into account the 298 who perished on board of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014, the total death toll of the conflict on civilians has reached at least 3,350”

    Russians will lie and just focus on the number 13,000 and say Ukrainians killed 13,000 civilians. For example here is Putin in March 2022:

    https://tass.com/politics/1417543

    Up to 14,000 civilians in the Donetsk and Lugansk republics have been killed since 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday.

  242. This is just inference, not based on much observation, but what I seem to notice is that the main wokeness of Indian films is atheism or irreligion.

    Of course, it doesn’t appear in every film. Some seem almost shockingly reverent, or maybe the message can be mixed, like they will play a reverent song, even though the dialogue itself is not so.

    This is a surprise to me, as based on Hollywood antiracism, I expected anti-caste to be the #1 message. (But I repeat my observation is very unscientific.)

  243. @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    The Putin defenders at Unz have a very consistent pattern in not being able to verify basic information using Google.
     
    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand

    Were more civilians killed from the entire period of 2014-2020 or week one of the invasion? Feel free to use Russian sources.

    I've had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of "mass shelling of Donbas civilians" and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened. They all run and hide when asked to provide details. They don't even have an RT.news source. Anglin pathetically tried to make this claim and couldn't back it. It's just something repeated on pro-Putin sites that censor dissidents such as MoonOfAlabama. Putin defenders just assume it must be true because it didn't come from CNN. That is a common mistake on Unz. Assuming a foreign or independent source must be true because it isn't from the MSM. Just because the MSM lies doesn't mean MoA or Scott Ritter is trying to tell the truth.

    The open forum format doesn't work for liberals trying to deny group genetics nor does it work for Putin fans trying to explain how he isn't such a bad guy. Both groups are better off seeking censored media sources.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    I’ve had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of “mass shelling of Donbas civilians” and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened.

    You can’t imagine how little anyone here cares about the moronic arguments you’ve had with fellow wankers in other parts of Unz. You’re enough of an embarrassment with your constant military porn exhibitionism, no need to tell us time and again that you also like wasting your time in the unhinged corners of Unz where people call you a Jew and all that. Nobody gives a f-ck.

    More importantly, though, I have never “defended” Putin in my life, mush less since he invaded Ukraine. I know that you are too dumb to understand this or to even remember that I am not Mikhail (or who knows who you are confusing me with this time). But, you, on the other hand, have repeatedly minimized the fact that the Ukrainian government killed thousands of its own civilians or even denied that it ever happened. That is much worse than being a moron. That puts you straight in the lowlife category.

    Putin is a criminal and a liar but I am quite convinced that he wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if the Kiev goons hadn’t killed so many innocent people in Donbas. He wouldn’t have had enough of a casus belli and sympathy for the operation among ordinary Russians. As I’ve argued in the past, perhaps that was Putin’s calculation all along. Provoke the criminal response he knew his Sovok comrades in Kiev would unleash by capturing cities in Donbas and build an excuse to invade later in order to “protect” the Russian population in Ukraine. Typical modus operandi of Sovok gangsters.

    While I never supported any of them, you keep supporting the Kiev scum wholeheartedly. What kind of “contacts” do you have in Ukraine? Why did you say the other day that you could emigrate there if the US goes bust? Speak up and let us know the real reason why you spend your days watching videos of Russian soldiers getting killed.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mikel


    though, I have never “defended” Putin in my life, mush less since he invaded Ukraine.
     

    Putin is a criminal and a liar
     

    Typical modus operandi of Sovok gangsters.
     
    Why do you disgrace yourself repeatedly with these disgusting statements. Unfortunate as you have very strong intellectual ability - but waste it with this filth.

    Either you think or believe in something, or you don't. With you its constant "half-pregnant syndrome". An extreme form of virtue signalling. What do you gain from it?

    Baltic scum deserve to be vapourised, but both of us agree that an invasion of 2 of them for the citizenship laws would not be correct. That is a consistent line of though. Even a principled one.

    You don't do that. Your argument for this would be that Baltic scum deserve to be vapourised and the citizenship laws are beautiful........and you would also argue that Russian Baltics are scum deserving to be vapourised and that the Baltics should never be touched.

    Invaded
     
    Its a civil war, with Russian intervention. That is the technical , pure definition of what has happened. Not an invasion - but intervention after Russian-recognised LNR & DNR request - 2 states Russia were forced to recognise from non-start of the Nazi side to enacting the Minsk Agreements.


    If we go into the practical - it's a civil war created by NATO, using the lemming Nazi section of Banderastan......against the side containing the highest concentrated area of Ukrainians, the most economically important area of Ukrainians - and the most free-will area of Ukrainians. 404 are the ones who have invaded in this civil war - in 2014, and in January/February 2022 when their shelling of LDNR went off the scale in increased number ( from which Russia started mass evacuating frontline people) and they had accumulated huge military force in the area.

    An invasion in the perverted sense you imply- suggests a war of conquest - which is something Russia hasn't done for centuries (could reasonably claim NEVER is you look properly). On the other side- wars of conquest of have been done by Europe against Russia each century for the last 400 years.

    I have no real problem with the word "invasion" being used to Russia - if its not some western perverted propaganda done to create a false illusion being used here. You unfortunately do that.

    You shouldn't be using "invasion" like you do as if its the same thing as wars of conquest done over the centuries, or US invasion of Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The deep familial, cultural, business, historical connections, the freakshow chaos of the Banderite political "system" and failure to try and solve the situation - making the whole concept of "invasion" completely ambiguous for the SMO.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  244. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    The difference is
     
    The difference is that Russia targets military and power-generating installations, as well as routes and stations used for military logistics, while Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.

    It is the same in Gaza. No wonder current Ukie regime immediately expressed its support for Gaza genocide by similar scum. As alchemists used to say, like dissolves like.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.

    It is the same in Gaza. No wonder current Ukie regime immediately expressed its support for Gaza genocide by similar scum.

    I agree. Nearly identical Ukie/Pali immorality is present in any objective view of the situation.

    For example — Zelensky went back on his word to break 2 deals. Merkel got him to kill Minsk. BoJo and Scholz told him to abrogate the 2022 arrangement. This is an near exact parallel to Abbas repudiating the Oslo accords.

    Kiev desperately needs new leaders who are negotiation capable. Alas, that does not seem likely to happen in the near future.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    I do recall the clown playing piano with his dick. I do not recall him ever taking a pro-palestinian position.

    Replies: @A123

  245. @AP
    @Mikel


    Military porn wankers who support the murdering of civilians in Donbas are too dumb to understand when or why the federal government needs to request a supplemental appropriations bill.
     
    IIRC you repeatedly failed to understand that the money was being spent to replace the military stocks sent to Ukraine, and not on the military items sent to Ukraine themselves. Am I mistaken in my description of your prior statements or of your current stance, or do you acknowledge that much of this money is actually going to upgrade the US military with new equipment and not to pay for stuff sent to Ukraine (which was paid for long ago when it was placed into US stockpiles).

    So yes, money will be spent - hence the request. But in terms of equipment, it's money being spent on giving the USA the best and most upgraded weapons while Ukraine gets the obsolete stuff (which is still much better than the junk that Russia uses).

    Replies: @Mikel

    IIRC you repeatedly failed to understand that the money was being spent to replace the military stocks sent to Ukraine

    No. It’s actually quite surprising how incorrectly you remember everything. I have never paid any attention to the irrelevant detail of what Biden needs funds outside of the budget for. If the Pentagon is sending existing stocks of certain weapons then those weapons have indeed been paid for (nobody supplies expensive weapons for free) and if certain other kinds of weapons, like ammunition, still need to be manufactured then the money is needed to order them.

    From an economic point of view it doesn’t make any difference whatsoever if the billions are needed to replace stocks, to build new ones or, as I presume, for a mixture of both. Remember: I was not discussing military stuff with JoJo. I was discussing purely economic matters with SD, a much needed change of topic, when the creep interjected.

  246. @AP
    @Beckow


    Like a small child you medicate yourself with happy talk…”no, we didn’t lose the war!
     
    Was Baghdad and all of Iraq taken in 5 weeks? Yes or no?

    Was the Iraqi leader captured and executed? Yes or no?

    Was the Iraqi state erased and replaced with one that the USA approved? Yes or no?

    The state that the USA gave to Iraq after defeating it is sort of a democracy. The Shiites won the elections and asked America to leave, which America did. Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there (I had been writing 2,000 - that was my mistake). This state is closer to Iran than the USA would like it to be.

    For some reason you desperately want this to mean that America was defeated in a war in Iraq.

    Kiev had a few chances to make an acceptable deal and they threw it away. Now for the inevitable consequences.
     
    Most likely, especially if America fails to come through - stalemate for awhile until both sides decide the current lines more or less are better than continued slaughter, with Russia not interfering with Ukraine's internal laws, EU and probably NATO plans, Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

    If America gets its act together and resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly - about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there (I had been writing 2,000 – that was my mistake).

    Those troops were put back there after ISIS emerged in Iraq in 2014. Though honestly if the Iraqis ask the US to leave again, then IMHO the decent thing for the US to do would be to listen to the Iraqis and leave.

    This state is closer to Iran than the USA would like it to be.

    Yep. This state tries to balance between Iran and the US but knows that pissing off Iran in pursuit of US interests would not be a smart move for them. It is similar to, say, Serbs looking towards Russia in the pre-WWI era, with religion being the glue binding these countries and peoples together (and also relatively similar languages in Russia’s and Serbia’s case).

    Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

    I don’t think that Ukraine will ever formally renounce its claim to its lost territories. It might renounce the use of military force to reacquire these territories, similar to what Pakistan did for Indian-controlled Kashmir in 1972 with the Simla Accord, but the territorial claim itself won’t ever actually be renounced, I think.

    If America gets its act together and resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly – about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.

    Do you still think that Trump might be better for Ukraine than Biden after his recent NATO comments?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/14/trump-nato-allies-00141590

    FWIW, I’m not opposed to getting NATO members to pay up. I’m just wondering if this is the best way to actually get them to do this.

    Helping Ukraine more intensely would also cost the US more money. Would the fiscally conservative Trump actually approve of this?

    I’m gradually coming around to your position that Biden might not be as pro-Ukraine as he could have been. I’m just not sure that being more pro-Ukraine would have actually made a decisive difference here. Would having the US enter WWI in 1915 instead of 1917 have resulted in an earlier end to WWI, for instance? Or simply resulted in a lot more US troops getting slaughtered on the Western Front? Or some combination of the two above scenarios? Of course, with Ukraine, I’m talking about massively increased Western aid to Ukraine, not a direct Western military intervention there. But the risk remains: What if, in response to increased Western spending on Ukraine, Russia will end up spending 25+% of its own GDP on the Ukraine War? Then NATO would need to spend 1+% of its own GDP on Ukraine. Would NATO actually be capable of doing this? Philippe Lemoine doesn’t think that NATO would actually care enough about Ukraine to spend that much on it.

    Biden, while not spending as much on Ukraine as he would like, also ensures that Russia does not massively increase its own spending on Ukraine, something which AFAIK Russia is capable of doing to a huge extent.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mr. XYZ

    Myself certainly not a biggest fan of Trump out there, but if charitably assuming that by "paying" he meant 2% of GDP for defense, then his comments (strictly on paper) were quite favourable regarding defending the Baltic states from RF, cause all three are spending above the target these days:

    https://i.postimg.cc/xYn4gkKd/NATO-defence-expenditure-estimates-for-2023-120224-CREDIT-NATO.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

  247. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Algerian Muslims were conducting slave raids upon the Mediterranean Europeans for generations, so giving up a part of coastal Algeria to French colonists can be viewed as a kind of justice. It is unfortunate that the French didn’t consolidate their Algerians (there were 1.4 million Pied Noir in 1959) into an enclave such as Oran and keep it hole giving the rest to the Arabs and Berbers without trying to occupy them. Would’ve been a nice tourist destination.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    By that logic, should the Crimean Tatars have been expelled from Crimea en masse in retribution for the slave trade that they conducted in the past? For that matter, should Russia have conquered all of Anatolia, not just Constantinople, had it been more successful in WWI (no 1917 revolutions) as revenge for the historical Ottoman slave trade and, of course, for the Armenian Genocide as well?

    Having all of the pieds-noirs settle in Oran in the first place might have been a good move, but trying to resettle all of them there in 1962 would have still resulted in (I think) most of the pieds-noirs being dislocated and also in worse Franco-Algerian relations in the decades to come. In theory, it might have been doable; Spain still controls two exclaves on the Moroccan coast, after all. But Spain’s ownership of these two enclaves was more long-lasting than France’s ownership of Oran would have been.

    Also, out of curiosity: Wouldn’t expelling Muslims from a lot of places make those places nice tourist destinations? If Gazan Muslims moved to Egypt en masse while Israeli Jews (especially the secular types) replaced them, then Gaza would also become much nicer to visit and vacation in. But civilized people would still balk at engaging in this type of ethnic cleansing, even after as big of an event as October 7. It’s only when you get a truly brutal war (WWII, the Israeli War of Independence, the Algerian War, the Yugoslav Wars, et cetera) that ethnic cleansing becomes relatively normalized. (If Russia were to ever invade any of the Baltic countries, I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if Baltic Russians will get the Sudeten German treatment after the end of this war.)

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    By that logic, should the Crimean Tatars have been expelled from Crimea en masse in retribution for the slave trade that they conducted in the past?
     
    Neither they nor the Algerians should have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland or destroyed as nations, but losing a chunk of it would seem to be fair punishment and compensation. The Germans lost East Prussia.

    Also, out of curiosity: Wouldn’t expelling Muslims from a lot of places make those places nice tourist destinations
     
    They would be nicer places in general and being nicer for tourism would follow. Imagine if Algeria with its beaches and vineyards were restored to Christendom and the Mediterranean world alongside the post-Roman peoples, as it was during the time of St. Augustine. What a delightful place it would have been, a land of beautiful Catholic Berbers. It is too bad that the Spaniards were unable to fully extend their Reconquista across the Mediterranean or that the French did not emulate them. Europeans were not the same in the 19th century. How many problems would have been solved if the Ethiopians were given back Yemen and tasked with restoring its Christianity.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  248. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there (I had been writing 2,000 – that was my mistake).
     
    Those troops were put back there after ISIS emerged in Iraq in 2014. Though honestly if the Iraqis ask the US to leave again, then IMHO the decent thing for the US to do would be to listen to the Iraqis and leave.

    This state is closer to Iran than the USA would like it to be.
     
    Yep. This state tries to balance between Iran and the US but knows that pissing off Iran in pursuit of US interests would not be a smart move for them. It is similar to, say, Serbs looking towards Russia in the pre-WWI era, with religion being the glue binding these countries and peoples together (and also relatively similar languages in Russia's and Serbia's case).

    Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

     

    I don't think that Ukraine will ever formally renounce its claim to its lost territories. It might renounce the use of military force to reacquire these territories, similar to what Pakistan did for Indian-controlled Kashmir in 1972 with the Simla Accord, but the territorial claim itself won't ever actually be renounced, I think.

    If America gets its act together and resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly – about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.

     

    Do you still think that Trump might be better for Ukraine than Biden after his recent NATO comments?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/14/trump-nato-allies-00141590

    FWIW, I'm not opposed to getting NATO members to pay up. I'm just wondering if this is the best way to actually get them to do this.

    Helping Ukraine more intensely would also cost the US more money. Would the fiscally conservative Trump actually approve of this?

    I'm gradually coming around to your position that Biden might not be as pro-Ukraine as he could have been. I'm just not sure that being more pro-Ukraine would have actually made a decisive difference here. Would having the US enter WWI in 1915 instead of 1917 have resulted in an earlier end to WWI, for instance? Or simply resulted in a lot more US troops getting slaughtered on the Western Front? Or some combination of the two above scenarios? Of course, with Ukraine, I'm talking about massively increased Western aid to Ukraine, not a direct Western military intervention there. But the risk remains: What if, in response to increased Western spending on Ukraine, Russia will end up spending 25+% of its own GDP on the Ukraine War? Then NATO would need to spend 1+% of its own GDP on Ukraine. Would NATO actually be capable of doing this? Philippe Lemoine doesn't think that NATO would actually care enough about Ukraine to spend that much on it.

    Biden, while not spending as much on Ukraine as he would like, also ensures that Russia does not massively increase its own spending on Ukraine, something which AFAIK Russia is capable of doing to a huge extent.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Myself certainly not a biggest fan of Trump out there, but if charitably assuming that by “paying” he meant 2% of GDP for defense, then his comments (strictly on paper) were quite favourable regarding defending the Baltic states from RF, cause all three are spending above the target these days:

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death

    I doubt he knows who is spending how much (or even cares that much, except for maybe when it comes to Germany), I don't think he's following what goes on in NATO, he only cares about his campaign.

    The somewhat complex US political system doesn't really facilitate their global leadership role in the 21st century (which is going to be more dynamic / agile) . We should give them a break until after the election and see what happens then (they really do have serious domestic problems and Covid was tougher than they let on - even though most of the American people held on stoically, it did leave scars).

    The only issue is time (or the lack of it) - a year in 2024 (heck, a month even) is something completely different than what it was in 2016. Time is extremely valuable right now and they're going to waste even more of it (and thus will possibly have to pay more later). And the ones in their establishment who actually want to help, will simply not be able to due to the systemic political problems. Well, so be it then - it is up to them.

    And, btw, who are Trump's advisers right now...?

  249. @sudden death
    @Mr. XYZ

    Myself certainly not a biggest fan of Trump out there, but if charitably assuming that by "paying" he meant 2% of GDP for defense, then his comments (strictly on paper) were quite favourable regarding defending the Baltic states from RF, cause all three are spending above the target these days:

    https://i.postimg.cc/xYn4gkKd/NATO-defence-expenditure-estimates-for-2023-120224-CREDIT-NATO.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    I doubt he knows who is spending how much (or even cares that much, except for maybe when it comes to Germany), I don’t think he’s following what goes on in NATO, he only cares about his campaign.

    The somewhat complex US political system doesn’t really facilitate their global leadership role in the 21st century (which is going to be more dynamic / agile) . We should give them a break until after the election and see what happens then (they really do have serious domestic problems and Covid was tougher than they let on – even though most of the American people held on stoically, it did leave scars).

    The only issue is time (or the lack of it) – a year in 2024 (heck, a month even) is something completely different than what it was in 2016. Time is extremely valuable right now and they’re going to waste even more of it (and thus will possibly have to pay more later). And the ones in their establishment who actually want to help, will simply not be able to due to the systemic political problems. Well, so be it then – it is up to them.

    And, btw, who are Trump’s advisers right now…?

  250. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    I’ve had over a dozen Putin defenders speak of “mass shelling of Donbas civilians” and not ONE has provided even a month or year when this happened.
     
    You can't imagine how little anyone here cares about the moronic arguments you've had with fellow wankers in other parts of Unz. You're enough of an embarrassment with your constant military porn exhibitionism, no need to tell us time and again that you also like wasting your time in the unhinged corners of Unz where people call you a Jew and all that. Nobody gives a f-ck.

    More importantly, though, I have never "defended" Putin in my life, mush less since he invaded Ukraine. I know that you are too dumb to understand this or to even remember that I am not Mikhail (or who knows who you are confusing me with this time). But, you, on the other hand, have repeatedly minimized the fact that the Ukrainian government killed thousands of its own civilians or even denied that it ever happened. That is much worse than being a moron. That puts you straight in the lowlife category.

    Putin is a criminal and a liar but I am quite convinced that he wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if the Kiev goons hadn't killed so many innocent people in Donbas. He wouldn't have had enough of a casus belli and sympathy for the operation among ordinary Russians. As I've argued in the past, perhaps that was Putin's calculation all along. Provoke the criminal response he knew his Sovok comrades in Kiev would unleash by capturing cities in Donbas and build an excuse to invade later in order to "protect" the Russian population in Ukraine. Typical modus operandi of Sovok gangsters.

    While I never supported any of them, you keep supporting the Kiev scum wholeheartedly. What kind of "contacts" do you have in Ukraine? Why did you say the other day that you could emigrate there if the US goes bust? Speak up and let us know the real reason why you spend your days watching videos of Russian soldiers getting killed.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    though, I have never “defended” Putin in my life, mush less since he invaded Ukraine.

    Putin is a criminal and a liar

    Typical modus operandi of Sovok gangsters.

    Why do you disgrace yourself repeatedly with these disgusting statements. Unfortunate as you have very strong intellectual ability – but waste it with this filth.

    Either you think or believe in something, or you don’t. With you its constant “half-pregnant syndrome”. An extreme form of virtue signalling. What do you gain from it?

    Baltic scum deserve to be vapourised, but both of us agree that an invasion of 2 of them for the citizenship laws would not be correct. That is a consistent line of though. Even a principled one.

    You don’t do that. Your argument for this would be that Baltic scum deserve to be vapourised and the citizenship laws are beautiful……..and you would also argue that Russian Baltics are scum deserving to be vapourised and that the Baltics should never be touched.

    Invaded

    Its a civil war, with Russian intervention. That is the technical , pure definition of what has happened. Not an invasion – but intervention after Russian-recognised LNR & DNR request – 2 states Russia were forced to recognise from non-start of the Nazi side to enacting the Minsk Agreements.

    If we go into the practical – it’s a civil war created by NATO, using the lemming Nazi section of Banderastan……against the side containing the highest concentrated area of Ukrainians, the most economically important area of Ukrainians – and the most free-will area of Ukrainians. 404 are the ones who have invaded in this civil war – in 2014, and in January/February 2022 when their shelling of LDNR went off the scale in increased number ( from which Russia started mass evacuating frontline people) and they had accumulated huge military force in the area.

    An invasion in the perverted sense you imply- suggests a war of conquest – which is something Russia hasn’t done for centuries (could reasonably claim NEVER is you look properly). On the other side- wars of conquest of have been done by Europe against Russia each century for the last 400 years.

    I have no real problem with the word “invasion” being used to Russia – if its not some western perverted propaganda done to create a false illusion being used here. You unfortunately do that.

    You shouldn’t be using “invasion” like you do as if its the same thing as wars of conquest done over the centuries, or US invasion of Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The deep familial, cultural, business, historical connections, the freakshow chaos of the Banderite political “system” and failure to try and solve the situation – making the whole concept of “invasion” completely ambiguous for the SMO.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    If we go into the practical – it’s a civil war created by NATO

    I don't recall anyone here calling it a civil war until Putin made that comment in the Tucker video.

    If I search your history will it show you calling it a civil war since the beginning?

    Me thinks you are letting the dwarf do too much of your thinking.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  251. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    By that logic, should the Crimean Tatars have been expelled from Crimea en masse in retribution for the slave trade that they conducted in the past? For that matter, should Russia have conquered all of Anatolia, not just Constantinople, had it been more successful in WWI (no 1917 revolutions) as revenge for the historical Ottoman slave trade and, of course, for the Armenian Genocide as well?

    Having all of the pieds-noirs settle in Oran in the first place might have been a good move, but trying to resettle all of them there in 1962 would have still resulted in (I think) most of the pieds-noirs being dislocated and also in worse Franco-Algerian relations in the decades to come. In theory, it might have been doable; Spain still controls two exclaves on the Moroccan coast, after all. But Spain's ownership of these two enclaves was more long-lasting than France's ownership of Oran would have been.

    Also, out of curiosity: Wouldn't expelling Muslims from a lot of places make those places nice tourist destinations? If Gazan Muslims moved to Egypt en masse while Israeli Jews (especially the secular types) replaced them, then Gaza would also become much nicer to visit and vacation in. But civilized people would still balk at engaging in this type of ethnic cleansing, even after as big of an event as October 7. It's only when you get a truly brutal war (WWII, the Israeli War of Independence, the Algerian War, the Yugoslav Wars, et cetera) that ethnic cleansing becomes relatively normalized. (If Russia were to ever invade any of the Baltic countries, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Baltic Russians will get the Sudeten German treatment after the end of this war.)

    Replies: @AP

    By that logic, should the Crimean Tatars have been expelled from Crimea en masse in retribution for the slave trade that they conducted in the past?

    Neither they nor the Algerians should have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland or destroyed as nations, but losing a chunk of it would seem to be fair punishment and compensation. The Germans lost East Prussia.

    Also, out of curiosity: Wouldn’t expelling Muslims from a lot of places make those places nice tourist destinations

    They would be nicer places in general and being nicer for tourism would follow. Imagine if Algeria with its beaches and vineyards were restored to Christendom and the Mediterranean world alongside the post-Roman peoples, as it was during the time of St. Augustine. What a delightful place it would have been, a land of beautiful Catholic Berbers. It is too bad that the Spaniards were unable to fully extend their Reconquista across the Mediterranean or that the French did not emulate them. Europeans were not the same in the 19th century. How many problems would have been solved if the Ethiopians were given back Yemen and tasked with restoring its Christianity.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Neither they nor the Algerians should have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland or destroyed as nations, but losing a chunk of it would seem to be fair punishment and compensation. The Germans lost East Prussia.

     

    Germany lost a lot more than East Prussia in 1945. But German atrocities in WWII occurred right before Germany lost its eastern territories, whereas Algerian slave raiding was over 130 years in the past by the time that Algeria gained its independence. To use a fairer analogy, it would be like stripping Germany of East Prussia back in 1919 in response to Prussia participating in the partitions of Poland in the late 1700s.

    Also, it is worth noting that France hurt its credibility by not leaving Algeria immediately in 1954 and thus causing much more death and suffering both on its own side and on the Algerian side. Had France left Algeria in 1954, I could see a case for France keeping Oran, but after all of the suffering that France helped to inflict by 1962, I think that morally speaking, France would have already settled its historical scores with the Algerians, no?

    They would be nicer places in general and being nicer for tourism would follow. Imagine if Algeria with its beaches and vineyards were restored to Christendom and the Mediterranean world alongside the post-Roman peoples, as it was during the time of St. Augustine. What a delightful place it would have been, a land of beautiful Catholic Berbers. It is too bad that the Spaniards were unable to fully extend their Reconquista across the Mediterranean or that the French did not emulate them. Europeans were not the same in the 19th century. How many problems would have been solved if the Ethiopians were given back Yemen and tasked with restoring its Christianity.

     

    Israel is ruled by Jews rather than by Christians and yet is also a nice place to live, or at least was before October 7. Would be much nicer if a successful Israeli-Palestinian peace deal will be made, though, even if Palestine will subsequently become an Israeli vassal/satellite state in exchange for its independence.

    FWIW, I'm not disagreeing with your general point here. I do think that having the Muslim world become Christian again would solve a lot of its problems, albeit not the low average IQ one or possibly the cousin marriage one either (though maybe there's more hope on this one since the Catholic Church at least has been historically hostile towards cousin marriages). But then again, I also think that a lot of the same effects could be achieved by having the Muslim world just flat-out secularize. Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan are some of the nicest places in the Muslim world and are also some of the most secular places in the Muslim world. Iran might end up becoming the same way if the ayatollahs in charge of there will ever get overthrown by the Iranian people.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

  252. @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    FYI, most Ukrainians in the former Hapsburg ruled Ukraine are Orthodox Christians. There's also the example of the Romanians under Hapsburg rule.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, I have a question for you, AP, and the other people here:

    Had Franz Ferdinand lived and Hungary would have tried to establish independence again in response to any attempt by Franz Ferdinand to implement (or impose) universal suffrage in Hungary, could Serbia, with Franco-Russian support*, have used the occasion of an Austro-Hungarian civil war, especially one that does not end quickly, as an opportunity to try doing a Donbass in Vojvodina and Bosnia? As in, sponsoring a separatist rebellion there, perhaps in the hope of directly annexing this territory to Serbia sooner or later?

    *Without Franco-Russian support, Serbia won’t try doing this. It needs both French and Russian support at a bare minimum to attempt this.

    The Serb-majority parts of Austria-Hungary are in green on this map.

  253. Sher Singh says:

    Alright, so knife update:
    1 USD = 1.25 CAD approximately.

    This is my beloved edc utility knife.
    Have had it since July & only paid like $40 CAD after tax for it (30 USD)

    https://www.coldsteel.com/mini-leatherneck-tanto-point/

    This is my main self-defence & hunting/skinning knife:

    https://www.kabar.com/p/1217

    This is my EDC sword

    https://www.coldsteel.com/talwar-sword/

    —-
    Army has said no to the Kabar since it’s a US knife.
    Like I can take it to the field, but they’d prefer a more trad/formal blade normally.

    Two choices, but will check local stores as well:

    1. https://www.chicagoknifeworks.com/buck-grd-combat-tanto-od-gr-blk-bld/
    Basically 130 USD & I’ll probably get hit with sales tax + brokerage.
    Let’s saay 180 USD or 250 CAD.

    https://lakecountrycoopoutdoors.ca/product/buck-891-gck-spear-point-coyote-micarta/

    Can also get it used in spear point for about the same price.

    https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/reddit.com/28wr3dbelthc1

    2. https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/837077610/ottoman-mughal-damascus-pesh-kabz-dagger

    120 USD (180 CAD) including shipping + tax. Not bad since shipping is usually like $50.


    Inquiring about the 2nd knife or a similar style due to looks & function.
    I know a tanto can supposedly cut through kevlar, but not sure if a Pesh Kabz can stab through it.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Sher Singh

    Eh nvm

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200306561592070215/1207904669175644170/image.png?ex=65e157e2&is=65cee2e2&hm=e0f80f87e6d19fed3a7a3fd7a81b295d7efd9e2ba367d60d57bf0eb792956cfd&

  254. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    By that logic, should the Crimean Tatars have been expelled from Crimea en masse in retribution for the slave trade that they conducted in the past?
     
    Neither they nor the Algerians should have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland or destroyed as nations, but losing a chunk of it would seem to be fair punishment and compensation. The Germans lost East Prussia.

    Also, out of curiosity: Wouldn’t expelling Muslims from a lot of places make those places nice tourist destinations
     
    They would be nicer places in general and being nicer for tourism would follow. Imagine if Algeria with its beaches and vineyards were restored to Christendom and the Mediterranean world alongside the post-Roman peoples, as it was during the time of St. Augustine. What a delightful place it would have been, a land of beautiful Catholic Berbers. It is too bad that the Spaniards were unable to fully extend their Reconquista across the Mediterranean or that the French did not emulate them. Europeans were not the same in the 19th century. How many problems would have been solved if the Ethiopians were given back Yemen and tasked with restoring its Christianity.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Neither they nor the Algerians should have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland or destroyed as nations, but losing a chunk of it would seem to be fair punishment and compensation. The Germans lost East Prussia.

    Germany lost a lot more than East Prussia in 1945. But German atrocities in WWII occurred right before Germany lost its eastern territories, whereas Algerian slave raiding was over 130 years in the past by the time that Algeria gained its independence. To use a fairer analogy, it would be like stripping Germany of East Prussia back in 1919 in response to Prussia participating in the partitions of Poland in the late 1700s.

    Also, it is worth noting that France hurt its credibility by not leaving Algeria immediately in 1954 and thus causing much more death and suffering both on its own side and on the Algerian side. Had France left Algeria in 1954, I could see a case for France keeping Oran, but after all of the suffering that France helped to inflict by 1962, I think that morally speaking, France would have already settled its historical scores with the Algerians, no?

    They would be nicer places in general and being nicer for tourism would follow. Imagine if Algeria with its beaches and vineyards were restored to Christendom and the Mediterranean world alongside the post-Roman peoples, as it was during the time of St. Augustine. What a delightful place it would have been, a land of beautiful Catholic Berbers. It is too bad that the Spaniards were unable to fully extend their Reconquista across the Mediterranean or that the French did not emulate them. Europeans were not the same in the 19th century. How many problems would have been solved if the Ethiopians were given back Yemen and tasked with restoring its Christianity.

    Israel is ruled by Jews rather than by Christians and yet is also a nice place to live, or at least was before October 7. Would be much nicer if a successful Israeli-Palestinian peace deal will be made, though, even if Palestine will subsequently become an Israeli vassal/satellite state in exchange for its independence.

    FWIW, I’m not disagreeing with your general point here. I do think that having the Muslim world become Christian again would solve a lot of its problems, albeit not the low average IQ one or possibly the cousin marriage one either (though maybe there’s more hope on this one since the Catholic Church at least has been historically hostile towards cousin marriages). But then again, I also think that a lot of the same effects could be achieved by having the Muslim world just flat-out secularize. Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan are some of the nicest places in the Muslim world and are also some of the most secular places in the Muslim world. Iran might end up becoming the same way if the ayatollahs in charge of there will ever get overthrown by the Iranian people.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Israel is ruled by Jews rather than by Christians and yet is also a nice place to live, or at least was before October 7.

    It will most likely be a nicer place to live. The one day Hamas Rape 'n Pillage will have the reverse effect. Really one of the dumbest attacks of all time.

    They are lowering restrictions for gun ownership and they are increasing border security. Hamas is being wiped out which means fewer rocket attacks. They spent years building tunnels to hide weapons and they were blown up within weeks.

    Would be nice if our House Republicans cared about border security instead of trying to send Israel a check that they don't need.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Algerian slave raiding was over 130 years in the past by the time that Algeria gained its independence
     
    Because the Europeans invaded and conquered the place. Then they started settling it almost right away. Oran was over 50% European in the 20th century. Instead of displacing all of those people to France, they could have stayed there and anti-French minority could have been exchanged with Pied Noir from other regions in Algeria.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  255. I dug this up for another thread and am re-posting in case anyone else needs it.

    Putin in 2008 recognizing Ukraine’s autonomy and also Crimea.
    https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-crimea-ukraine/26942862.html

    Quickly shuts down claims of Ukraine not existing or not being a real country.

    Putin is on video stating that Ukraine is a country recognized by Russia and Crimea is part of it.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Yeah, I'm well-aware of that. In one interview, I don't remember which one, and I don't remember whether in English or in Russian, Putin has previously (pre-2014) rejected Latvia's and Estonia's demands for border revisions, arguing that Russia also lost out as a result of the Soviet drawing of borders due to its loss of Crimea.

  256. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Neither they nor the Algerians should have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland or destroyed as nations, but losing a chunk of it would seem to be fair punishment and compensation. The Germans lost East Prussia.

     

    Germany lost a lot more than East Prussia in 1945. But German atrocities in WWII occurred right before Germany lost its eastern territories, whereas Algerian slave raiding was over 130 years in the past by the time that Algeria gained its independence. To use a fairer analogy, it would be like stripping Germany of East Prussia back in 1919 in response to Prussia participating in the partitions of Poland in the late 1700s.

    Also, it is worth noting that France hurt its credibility by not leaving Algeria immediately in 1954 and thus causing much more death and suffering both on its own side and on the Algerian side. Had France left Algeria in 1954, I could see a case for France keeping Oran, but after all of the suffering that France helped to inflict by 1962, I think that morally speaking, France would have already settled its historical scores with the Algerians, no?

    They would be nicer places in general and being nicer for tourism would follow. Imagine if Algeria with its beaches and vineyards were restored to Christendom and the Mediterranean world alongside the post-Roman peoples, as it was during the time of St. Augustine. What a delightful place it would have been, a land of beautiful Catholic Berbers. It is too bad that the Spaniards were unable to fully extend their Reconquista across the Mediterranean or that the French did not emulate them. Europeans were not the same in the 19th century. How many problems would have been solved if the Ethiopians were given back Yemen and tasked with restoring its Christianity.

     

    Israel is ruled by Jews rather than by Christians and yet is also a nice place to live, or at least was before October 7. Would be much nicer if a successful Israeli-Palestinian peace deal will be made, though, even if Palestine will subsequently become an Israeli vassal/satellite state in exchange for its independence.

    FWIW, I'm not disagreeing with your general point here. I do think that having the Muslim world become Christian again would solve a lot of its problems, albeit not the low average IQ one or possibly the cousin marriage one either (though maybe there's more hope on this one since the Catholic Church at least has been historically hostile towards cousin marriages). But then again, I also think that a lot of the same effects could be achieved by having the Muslim world just flat-out secularize. Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan are some of the nicest places in the Muslim world and are also some of the most secular places in the Muslim world. Iran might end up becoming the same way if the ayatollahs in charge of there will ever get overthrown by the Iranian people.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    Israel is ruled by Jews rather than by Christians and yet is also a nice place to live, or at least was before October 7.

    It will most likely be a nicer place to live. The one day Hamas Rape ‘n Pillage will have the reverse effect. Really one of the dumbest attacks of all time.

    They are lowering restrictions for gun ownership and they are increasing border security. Hamas is being wiped out which means fewer rocket attacks. They spent years building tunnels to hide weapons and they were blown up within weeks.

    Would be nice if our House Republicans cared about border security instead of trying to send Israel a check that they don’t need.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Yeah, I certainly hope that Hamas's rule in Gaza will be permanently ended--but only if the Gazan people will actually have somewhere to flee to. Pharaoh Sisi, let them in!

    Ideally a post-Bibi Israeli government will once again restart the peace process with the Palestinians but would also insist on vassalizing any newly created future Palestinian state.

    BTW, what are your thoughts on my question on post #256 here?

  257. @Gerard1234
    @Mikel


    though, I have never “defended” Putin in my life, mush less since he invaded Ukraine.
     

    Putin is a criminal and a liar
     

    Typical modus operandi of Sovok gangsters.
     
    Why do you disgrace yourself repeatedly with these disgusting statements. Unfortunate as you have very strong intellectual ability - but waste it with this filth.

    Either you think or believe in something, or you don't. With you its constant "half-pregnant syndrome". An extreme form of virtue signalling. What do you gain from it?

    Baltic scum deserve to be vapourised, but both of us agree that an invasion of 2 of them for the citizenship laws would not be correct. That is a consistent line of though. Even a principled one.

    You don't do that. Your argument for this would be that Baltic scum deserve to be vapourised and the citizenship laws are beautiful........and you would also argue that Russian Baltics are scum deserving to be vapourised and that the Baltics should never be touched.

    Invaded
     
    Its a civil war, with Russian intervention. That is the technical , pure definition of what has happened. Not an invasion - but intervention after Russian-recognised LNR & DNR request - 2 states Russia were forced to recognise from non-start of the Nazi side to enacting the Minsk Agreements.


    If we go into the practical - it's a civil war created by NATO, using the lemming Nazi section of Banderastan......against the side containing the highest concentrated area of Ukrainians, the most economically important area of Ukrainians - and the most free-will area of Ukrainians. 404 are the ones who have invaded in this civil war - in 2014, and in January/February 2022 when their shelling of LDNR went off the scale in increased number ( from which Russia started mass evacuating frontline people) and they had accumulated huge military force in the area.

    An invasion in the perverted sense you imply- suggests a war of conquest - which is something Russia hasn't done for centuries (could reasonably claim NEVER is you look properly). On the other side- wars of conquest of have been done by Europe against Russia each century for the last 400 years.

    I have no real problem with the word "invasion" being used to Russia - if its not some western perverted propaganda done to create a false illusion being used here. You unfortunately do that.

    You shouldn't be using "invasion" like you do as if its the same thing as wars of conquest done over the centuries, or US invasion of Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The deep familial, cultural, business, historical connections, the freakshow chaos of the Banderite political "system" and failure to try and solve the situation - making the whole concept of "invasion" completely ambiguous for the SMO.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    If we go into the practical – it’s a civil war created by NATO

    I don’t recall anyone here calling it a civil war until Putin made that comment in the Tucker video.

    If I search your history will it show you calling it a civil war since the beginning?

    Me thinks you are letting the dwarf do too much of your thinking.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    If I search your history will it show you calling it a civil war since the beginning?
     
    Repeatedly I talked about LDNR beating the sh*t out of Ukronazis in 2014-15. That is self-explanatory as civil war you retarded idiot.

    Me thinks you are letting the dwarf do too much of your thinking
     
    Childish cretinism. Although it is amusing in that the "hero" of Ukronazism is the literal midget, Stepan Bandera. By the fotos he looks to be about 1.40m in height - he had severe health problems as a child which explains his height...........more importantly it explains "Ukrainianism". Its a chronic health condition.

    On Putin - he appears to be about the same height as most political leaders ( not that this is relevant) - Medvedev, Sholtz, Macron,Hollande,Sunak, Merkel ( yes a woman so probably shouldnt count in this list), Berlusconi......then you have a group of giants like the Balkan states leaders, Trump, the dutch guy etc. Zelensky looks shorter, LOL, .......either way this scumbag is a mental midget

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  258. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Israel is ruled by Jews rather than by Christians and yet is also a nice place to live, or at least was before October 7.

    It will most likely be a nicer place to live. The one day Hamas Rape 'n Pillage will have the reverse effect. Really one of the dumbest attacks of all time.

    They are lowering restrictions for gun ownership and they are increasing border security. Hamas is being wiped out which means fewer rocket attacks. They spent years building tunnels to hide weapons and they were blown up within weeks.

    Would be nice if our House Republicans cared about border security instead of trying to send Israel a check that they don't need.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, I certainly hope that Hamas’s rule in Gaza will be permanently ended–but only if the Gazan people will actually have somewhere to flee to. Pharaoh Sisi, let them in!

    Ideally a post-Bibi Israeli government will once again restart the peace process with the Palestinians but would also insist on vassalizing any newly created future Palestinian state.

    BTW, what are your thoughts on my question on post #256 here?

  259. @John Johnson
    I dug this up for another thread and am re-posting in case anyone else needs it.

    Putin in 2008 recognizing Ukraine’s autonomy and also Crimea.
    https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-crimea-ukraine/26942862.html

    Quickly shuts down claims of Ukraine not existing or not being a real country.

    Putin is on video stating that Ukraine is a country recognized by Russia and Crimea is part of it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, I’m well-aware of that. In one interview, I don’t remember which one, and I don’t remember whether in English or in Russian, Putin has previously (pre-2014) rejected Latvia’s and Estonia’s demands for border revisions, arguing that Russia also lost out as a result of the Soviet drawing of borders due to its loss of Crimea.

  260. @Sher Singh
    Alright, so knife update:
    1 USD = 1.25 CAD approximately.

    This is my beloved edc utility knife.
    Have had it since July & only paid like $40 CAD after tax for it (30 USD)

    https://www.coldsteel.com/mini-leatherneck-tanto-point/

    This is my main self-defence & hunting/skinning knife:

    https://www.kabar.com/p/1217

    This is my EDC sword

    https://www.coldsteel.com/talwar-sword/

    ----
    Army has said no to the Kabar since it's a US knife.
    Like I can take it to the field, but they'd prefer a more trad/formal blade normally.

    Two choices, but will check local stores as well:

    1. https://www.chicagoknifeworks.com/buck-grd-combat-tanto-od-gr-blk-bld/
    Basically 130 USD & I'll probably get hit with sales tax + brokerage.
    Let's saay 180 USD or 250 CAD.

    https://lakecountrycoopoutdoors.ca/product/buck-891-gck-spear-point-coyote-micarta/

    Can also get it used in spear point for about the same price.

    https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/reddit.com/28wr3dbelthc1

    2. https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/837077610/ottoman-mughal-damascus-pesh-kabz-dagger

    120 USD (180 CAD) including shipping + tax. Not bad since shipping is usually like $50.

    ---
    Inquiring about the 2nd knife or a similar style due to looks & function.
    I know a tanto can supposedly cut through kevlar, but not sure if a Pesh Kabz can stab through it.

    https://i.etsystatic.com/8120659/r/il/fb1741/3989501797/il_794xN.3989501797_jd21.jpg

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Eh nvm

  261. Impressive coordination with Russian Airforce during the successful assault on Avdeevka, high intensity close air support.

  262. @songbird
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Not really closely related, but I recall someone (Ingraham? Coulter?) once speaking very highly of Ricardo Montalbán.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    I know it wasn’t S. I. Hayakawa.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    LMAO. Was going to say that I would have made Montalbán Southern Han, for his connection to Mexico, but then consulting a map, I see that Spain (where his parents were born) is already approximately latitude-matched with Japan.

    When the role was recast, I recall some Indians being angry that as a generic "brown person" he was cast in the '60s on Star Trek, as Khan Noonien Singh. Am not sure they understood that he was an ethnic Spaniard.

    IMO, it is kind of hard to tell when someone is playing a fake Indian. That guy in Short Circuit was very good at it.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  263. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    If we go into the practical – it’s a civil war created by NATO

    I don't recall anyone here calling it a civil war until Putin made that comment in the Tucker video.

    If I search your history will it show you calling it a civil war since the beginning?

    Me thinks you are letting the dwarf do too much of your thinking.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    If I search your history will it show you calling it a civil war since the beginning?

    Repeatedly I talked about LDNR beating the sh*t out of Ukronazis in 2014-15. That is self-explanatory as civil war you retarded idiot.

    Me thinks you are letting the dwarf do too much of your thinking

    Childish cretinism. Although it is amusing in that the “hero” of Ukronazism is the literal midget, Stepan Bandera. By the fotos he looks to be about 1.40m in height – he had severe health problems as a child which explains his height………..more importantly it explains “Ukrainianism”. Its a chronic health condition.

    On Putin – he appears to be about the same height as most political leaders ( not that this is relevant) – Medvedev, Sholtz, Macron,Hollande,Sunak, Merkel ( yes a woman so probably shouldnt count in this list), Berlusconi……then you have a group of giants like the Balkan states leaders, Trump, the dutch guy etc. Zelensky looks shorter, LOL, …….either way this scumbag is a mental midget

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/10/13/67548115-11735931-image-a-14_1676034311111.jpg :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

  264. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @songbird

    I know it wasn't S. I. Hayakawa.


    https://youtu.be/Mo09kFVa7_8?si=-X8ORpglWxbxDxkh&t=105

    Replies: @songbird

    LMAO. Was going to say that I would have made Montalbán Southern Han, for his connection to Mexico, but then consulting a map, I see that Spain (where his parents were born) is already approximately latitude-matched with Japan.

    When the role was recast, I recall some Indians being angry that as a generic “brown person” he was cast in the ’60s on Star Trek, as Khan Noonien Singh. Am not sure they understood that he was an ethnic Spaniard.

    IMO, it is kind of hard to tell when someone is playing a fake Indian. That guy in Short Circuit was very good at it.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Ram Das was the best. Leary said his family was loaded and when he met him as a grad student he had two fancy cars. If you own fancy cars you need two because one always will be at the mechanic for repair.

  265. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.

    It is the same in Gaza. No wonder current Ukie regime immediately expressed its support for Gaza genocide by similar scum.
     

    I agree. Nearly identical Ukie/Pali immorality is present in any objective view of the situation.

    For example -- Zelensky went back on his word to break 2 deals. Merkel got him to kill Minsk. BoJo and Scholz told him to abrogate the 2022 arrangement. This is an near exact parallel to Abbas repudiating the Oslo accords.

    Kiev desperately needs new leaders who are negotiation capable. Alas, that does not seem likely to happen in the near future.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I do recall the clown playing piano with his dick. I do not recall him ever taking a pro-palestinian position.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Actions speak louder than words. The highly similar immorality is self evident.

    Post-Judaic apostate Zelensky engaged in senseless acts of aggression against Russian ethnics. Attacks on places like Donbas; Building the collective Punishment Dam to inflict harm on Russian farmers in Crimea; etc.

    This is a direct parallel to the senseless aggression of October 7. The Hamas genocide of their coreligionists, via their use as human shields, is particularly appalling.
    ___

    Neo-Nazi Zelensky spends most of his time whining about how IDF hostage rescue is a distraction from Ukraine. It is unlikely he genuinely cares about either side in Jewish Palestine.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  266. Navalny died in jail. I do not know and have no way of finding out what actually happened. So, the only guidance I have is the classical qui bono. The timing is perfect for the imperial propagandists: something to distract the sheeple from Ukie catastrophe in Avdeevka. As to Putin, I strongly suspect that he’d prefer seeing Navalny alive in jail, rather than dead in Hell. Not to mention that, in sharp contrast to Hell, there is no doubt that the jail exists. This could be a coincidence, but in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    In other words - Putka is such useless incompetent POS, that after several decades of ruling he still allows CIA to do whatever it wants even in some FSB guarded northern arctic strict regime isolated jail hellhole, but you're still salivating for him, lol

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    There are limits to qui bono. It could be a regular bad health event. Navalny was in poor shape combined with neglect - it was a prison behind Arctic Circle in February.

    It highlights the ruthlessness that has taken over the world. We are in for some fireworks. Putin told Carlson that "Russia is done doing West favors, since the West never reciprocates" - an announcement that no quarter will be given. Chilling.

    , @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties
     
    In my experience (and in the experience of any sane person) 99.9% of coincidences are organized by pure luck and the simple laws of statistics. They've been happening all the time since the start of the Universe. There's absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.

    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here? You could perfectly support your country of birth, even the war in Ukraine, but avoid entering conspiracy territory. There's a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time and it's not worth your time trying to explain away each incident. We've all made up our minds a long time ago, even many of us who are not sympathetic to the Kiev regime or trust the MSM in the slightest.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Is there an obituary by somebody who knew and liked him?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  267. @AnonfromTN
    Navalny died in jail. I do not know and have no way of finding out what actually happened. So, the only guidance I have is the classical qui bono. The timing is perfect for the imperial propagandists: something to distract the sheeple from Ukie catastrophe in Avdeevka. As to Putin, I strongly suspect that he’d prefer seeing Navalny alive in jail, rather than dead in Hell. Not to mention that, in sharp contrast to Hell, there is no doubt that the jail exists. This could be a coincidence, but in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Beckow, @Mikel, @Emil Nikola Richard

    In other words – Putka is such useless incompetent POS, that after several decades of ruling he still allows CIA to do whatever it wants even in some FSB guarded northern arctic strict regime isolated jail hellhole, but you’re still salivating for him, lol

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    I have no doubt that in Russia there are active and sleeper agents of CIA. MI6, Mossad, and other terrorist organizations. No country ever can be free of enemy agents. The only possible difference is the numbers: the country can be chock-full of them, like Switzerland or Patain “France” during WWII, or there can be relatively few of them, like in today's RF.

    Replies: @sudden death

  268. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    In other words - Putka is such useless incompetent POS, that after several decades of ruling he still allows CIA to do whatever it wants even in some FSB guarded northern arctic strict regime isolated jail hellhole, but you're still salivating for him, lol

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I have no doubt that in Russia there are active and sleeper agents of CIA. MI6, Mossad, and other terrorist organizations. No country ever can be free of enemy agents. The only possible difference is the numbers: the country can be chock-full of them, like Switzerland or Patain “France” during WWII, or there can be relatively few of them, like in today’s RF.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    relatively few of them, like in today’s RF
     
    Truthful assesment, must be just several active CIA agents out there in RF these days, most probably just mere two remaining alive - Patrushev&Bortnikov, whom are wrecking constantly from inside;)
  269. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    I have no doubt that in Russia there are active and sleeper agents of CIA. MI6, Mossad, and other terrorist organizations. No country ever can be free of enemy agents. The only possible difference is the numbers: the country can be chock-full of them, like Switzerland or Patain “France” during WWII, or there can be relatively few of them, like in today's RF.

    Replies: @sudden death

    relatively few of them, like in today’s RF

    Truthful assesment, must be just several active CIA agents out there in RF these days, most probably just mere two remaining alive – Patrushev&Bortnikov, whom are wrecking constantly from inside;)

  270. @songbird
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    LMAO. Was going to say that I would have made Montalbán Southern Han, for his connection to Mexico, but then consulting a map, I see that Spain (where his parents were born) is already approximately latitude-matched with Japan.

    When the role was recast, I recall some Indians being angry that as a generic "brown person" he was cast in the '60s on Star Trek, as Khan Noonien Singh. Am not sure they understood that he was an ethnic Spaniard.

    IMO, it is kind of hard to tell when someone is playing a fake Indian. That guy in Short Circuit was very good at it.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Ram Das was the best. Leary said his family was loaded and when he met him as a grad student he had two fancy cars. If you own fancy cars you need two because one always will be at the mechanic for repair.

    • Thanks: songbird
  271. @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    I do recall the clown playing piano with his dick. I do not recall him ever taking a pro-palestinian position.

    Replies: @A123

    Actions speak louder than words. The highly similar immorality is self evident.

    Post-Judaic apostate Zelensky engaged in senseless acts of aggression against Russian ethnics. Attacks on places like Donbas; Building the collective Punishment Dam to inflict harm on Russian farmers in Crimea; etc.

    This is a direct parallel to the senseless aggression of October 7. The Hamas genocide of their coreligionists, via their use as human shields, is particularly appalling.
    ___

    Neo-Nazi Zelensky spends most of his time whining about how IDF hostage rescue is a distraction from Ukraine. It is unlikely he genuinely cares about either side in Jewish Palestine.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Post-Judaic apostate Zelensky engaged in senseless acts of aggression against Russian ethnics. Attacks on places like Donbas; Building the collective Punishment Dam to inflict harm on Russian farmers in Crimea; etc.
     
    There you go again, trying to spread your anti-Ukrainian crap. Even among your kremlin stooge brethren here you don't seem to elicit any support. For years I've read your comments here, and never once have I ever seen any other reader afford you an "agree" or a "thanks" for any of your comments. Not a one. Even among all of the looney tune kremlin stooges that hang out here, you get no respect. :-(
  272. Would have thought Roots, Reading Rainbow, and TNG star LeVar Burton had a more middle class origin, but apparently his father walked out on his mother, just like his paternal grandfather walked out on his grandmother. (And may have possibly been bigamous?).

    [MORE]

  273. @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Actions speak louder than words. The highly similar immorality is self evident.

    Post-Judaic apostate Zelensky engaged in senseless acts of aggression against Russian ethnics. Attacks on places like Donbas; Building the collective Punishment Dam to inflict harm on Russian farmers in Crimea; etc.

    This is a direct parallel to the senseless aggression of October 7. The Hamas genocide of their coreligionists, via their use as human shields, is particularly appalling.
    ___

    Neo-Nazi Zelensky spends most of his time whining about how IDF hostage rescue is a distraction from Ukraine. It is unlikely he genuinely cares about either side in Jewish Palestine.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Post-Judaic apostate Zelensky engaged in senseless acts of aggression against Russian ethnics. Attacks on places like Donbas; Building the collective Punishment Dam to inflict harm on Russian farmers in Crimea; etc.

    There you go again, trying to spread your anti-Ukrainian crap. Even among your kremlin stooge brethren here you don’t seem to elicit any support. For years I’ve read your comments here, and never once have I ever seen any other reader afford you an “agree” or a “thanks” for any of your comments. Not a one. Even among all of the looney tune kremlin stooges that hang out here, you get no respect. 🙁

  274. @AnonfromTN
    Navalny died in jail. I do not know and have no way of finding out what actually happened. So, the only guidance I have is the classical qui bono. The timing is perfect for the imperial propagandists: something to distract the sheeple from Ukie catastrophe in Avdeevka. As to Putin, I strongly suspect that he’d prefer seeing Navalny alive in jail, rather than dead in Hell. Not to mention that, in sharp contrast to Hell, there is no doubt that the jail exists. This could be a coincidence, but in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Beckow, @Mikel, @Emil Nikola Richard

    There are limits to qui bono. It could be a regular bad health event. Navalny was in poor shape combined with neglect – it was a prison behind Arctic Circle in February.

    It highlights the ruthlessness that has taken over the world. We are in for some fireworks. Putin told Carlson that “Russia is done doing West favors, since the West never reciprocates” – an announcement that no quarter will be given. Chilling.

  275. @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    If I search your history will it show you calling it a civil war since the beginning?
     
    Repeatedly I talked about LDNR beating the sh*t out of Ukronazis in 2014-15. That is self-explanatory as civil war you retarded idiot.

    Me thinks you are letting the dwarf do too much of your thinking
     
    Childish cretinism. Although it is amusing in that the "hero" of Ukronazism is the literal midget, Stepan Bandera. By the fotos he looks to be about 1.40m in height - he had severe health problems as a child which explains his height...........more importantly it explains "Ukrainianism". Its a chronic health condition.

    On Putin - he appears to be about the same height as most political leaders ( not that this is relevant) - Medvedev, Sholtz, Macron,Hollande,Sunak, Merkel ( yes a woman so probably shouldnt count in this list), Berlusconi......then you have a group of giants like the Balkan states leaders, Trump, the dutch guy etc. Zelensky looks shorter, LOL, .......either way this scumbag is a mental midget

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    🙂

    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    He looks kind of short in this photo too?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjsGVUOX0AECNUt.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Enough with the childish posts Hack. You are a disgrace. Because you are acting like a stupid kid I am now going to inform everybody about your name, your family, what you looked like and your passport number.

    People don't realise that Mr Hack was actually famous as a child in Russia. His mother, Oksana, a strong, charismatic, highly intelligent women. She gave Mr Hack his sense of adventure,discipline, toughness. His head is literally one of the strongest on the planet - all thanks to his mother, Oksana Liberman.

    Here is Mr Hack with his mother on tv. One of the most beautiful smiles I've ever seen on a woman. She knows what is best for her child. She is courageously protecting young Mr Hack from these thugs. . She knows that these pressures when released at certain height on specific parts of the skull will form Mr Hacks brilliant brain as an adult and lead to the brilliance we read hear every week and the amazingly funny cartoons he posts. Don't bother with the parts with the blogger - and unfortunately the best parts of Oksana's advanced level parenting skills are blocked out.
    Here is Mr Hack in his youth:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ci3TV4b7E

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

  276. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/10/13/67548115-11735931-image-a-14_1676034311111.jpg :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    He looks kind of short in this photo too?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I shouldn't encourage JJ's phobia, but heck, we all need our fun.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UVBgUd9GE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osOLmUaL6ck
    Tyrion quotes go here.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    What amazing piece of wit and humour - I can see we have no chance of defeating the Ukronazis...and can only accept defeat in the SMO. I'm now relocating to Ufa - our new western border soon because of this unstoppable and intelligent ukrainian onslaught.

  277. The other thing about Ram Das being the greatest fake Indian. He was a fake Indian Guru. A fake charlatan. Hard to top that.

    OK I thought of one. Rolling Thunder the fake Indian shaman. Shamans are fake. Plus all (American) Indians are fake Indians. People in Europe who sucked at geography thought that Hispanola was next to India and the misnomer lives on 500 years more. Ram Das was only fake^2. Rolling Thunder was fake^3.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Thunder_(person)

  278. Maybe Navalny was a chain-smoker.

    • Agree: Mikel
  279. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …They all have plenty of money…Most of them are blue bloods
     
    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)

    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.

    They have a parent or grandparent that got rich in America and even though they play with businesses they still have the family reserve that they can fall back on if they f-ck up. Kind of like Trump.

    The point about “money” is that it has to be based on something. You don’t seem to understand that, the elites do.

    No I think you don't understand the stock market and how the elites can sit on their asses if they want.

    You can put 10 million into a safe mutual fund or mma and live off of it. This has been true since the 1950s and most blue blood children simply live on their inherited wealth. In US resort towns it is pretty easy to spot the blue bloods. They are socially disconnected and have a harder time interacting with the public. They don't view themselves as part of America and will throw tantrums easily. I almost knocked one out for getting lippy with my wife as we were ordering coffee. If their awkward social interactions don't make it obvious they normally drive a brand new SUV with tinted windows. These are the "job creators" that Republicans tell us should be left alone. Most do not employ anyone outside of nannys and accountants.

    The Western elite do not need to go adventuring for new areas to mine or exploit. No one is salivating over Russian resources. Having funds in the US stock market is enough. People around the world cannot stop buying iPhones or going to Disney movies. Meaning they are not under threat by anyone.

    The US and Britain use the company store model. You're not getting one "over the man" by increasing your paycheck and then going back to buy everything from the company. Venezuela tried taking more of the profit by breaking contracts and screwed up their own economy.

    To sustain itself it needs material resources, at some point the global money relations will reflect that.

    The world has finite resources but the Western elite can sit on their assess for another 20 years if they so desire. They would have preferred Russia to develop into a democracy and also manage its own resources. The stock market will get it back in Boeing purchases, US patents, software, medicine, etc.

    Elizabeth Warren proposed a fraction of a percentage point in a wealth tax and both Republicans and Democrats lined up to shut it down. I agree with Robert Reich who said that the wealthy in the US already won the class war.

    No amount of development in Africa will make any difference: the reason they come is exactly because the Western “money” is massively over-valued, they want some of it…maybe they are not too smart, but it is very basic math.

    That's overly pessimistic. Botswana has made a lot of economic gains with Chinese investment.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/botswana-forecasts-economic-rebound-budget-focus-infrastructure-2024-02-05/

    A 5 year Botswana note would have paid off better than the Russian Ruble.

    I'm not a fan of China but that is a better path than liberal Wakanda Lost or conservative "free market" wishful thinking.

    I'm also not an egalitarian nor a globalist. But the West will have to face the dark continent at some point and have this conversation. Nigeria is probably the main problem. But that is years off as our US politicians still cannot face the reality of Haiti. Most of Haiti is currently under gang control and their leader is an ex-cop who has eaten people. Not making this up.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)...
    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.

    Habs were not Jewish. Your “most are not” doesn’t match what we observe. Where do you live? Arkansas?

    I understand markets – my point is the financials are not real assets, they are a reflection of assets. A way to keep the score. Pay attention how the real assets are changing because the financials follow.

    I almost knocked one out for getting lippy with my wife as we were ordering coffee.

    Hold on, back up…was the lippy part consummated? Before or after she drunk the coffee? You may have bigger issues than trying to grab Crimea from the Russkies…Try Botswana, friend worked there as a doctor, easy work, great pay, but his wife almost left him. You know it is Botswana…but invest, why not, both Boeing and Pfizer are down 50% in the last few years…

    They would have preferred Russia to develop into a democracy and also manage its own resources.

    It didn’t look like that in the last 20 years…Nato to Crimea? Why did anyone think that was a good idea? We remember you claimed it was all “fake”, hot air talk, no “plan”, Russians went looking for monsters when there was nothing but sincere friendship…is that what you believe? Maybe Botswana is the place for you. Or Arkansas…

    Most of Haiti is currently under gang control and their leader is an ex-cop who has eaten people. Not making this up.

    Zelko&Co. (and the nation of Polacks) say that about Putin…anything is possible, but I think people exaggerate, there are a lot of media folklore tales…

    I’m also not an egalitarian nor a globalist…

    If I recall you also don’t care much for Mormons…three things we agree on. Now on to solving the Crimea dilemma, how about we give it to Goths? They annoy me with all the tattoos and bad music. Historically the Goths have better claim to Crimea than the Jews have to Palestine…they used to live there more recently…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)...
    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.
     
    Habs were not Jewish. Your “most are not” doesn’t match other people’s observations. Where do you live? Arkansas?

    Well numerous posters here use it as an epithet or euphemism to mean Jews. I really don't care if they were Jews or not.

    I understand all markets well, incl. stocks – my point was that the financials are not real assets, they are a reflection of the real assets. A way to keep the score.

    Yes of course there are real assets within those investments. How does pointing that out negate anything I said?

    The point is that the wealthy 1% are not licking their lips over Russian resources. They make plenty of money when countries like Russia simply manage their own economies properly and buy American products with the profits.

    This idea of American or EU elites wanting to colonize Russia (a common belief of rural Russians) shows a misunderstanding of how these elites profit from a functioning global economy. They really don't give a shit if Gazprom or Chevron handles Russia's oil. They make money anyways. They're not even managing these portfolios. Someone else does it while they ski.

    And that is only one of many methods. They can have some wall st trader making flash trades of currency while they vacation in Italy. Meaning they can profit from the decline or growth of Russia or any other country. They really don't give a flying F as long as there is a return. I doubt half these blue bloods could find Ukraine on a map.

    Hold on, back up…was the lippy part consummated?
    Lippy means back talking.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lippy

    Nato to Crimea?

    What are you talking about exactly? Did you see the video I posted where Putin describes Crimea as part of Ukraine?
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Where do you live? Arkansas?
     
    Wow, no holes barred on this insult. You're never so caustic in characterizing Professor Tennessee for his chosen area of habitation? We wont even go into your witty sarcasm related to my resident state. :-)

    https://youtu.be/UOlOyyLHKPw
    Is Arkansas really that much worse than Slovakia?

    Replies: @Beckow

  280. @AnonfromTN
    Navalny died in jail. I do not know and have no way of finding out what actually happened. So, the only guidance I have is the classical qui bono. The timing is perfect for the imperial propagandists: something to distract the sheeple from Ukie catastrophe in Avdeevka. As to Putin, I strongly suspect that he’d prefer seeing Navalny alive in jail, rather than dead in Hell. Not to mention that, in sharp contrast to Hell, there is no doubt that the jail exists. This could be a coincidence, but in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Beckow, @Mikel, @Emil Nikola Richard

    in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties

    In my experience (and in the experience of any sane person) 99.9% of coincidences are organized by pure luck and the simple laws of statistics. They’ve been happening all the time since the start of the Universe. There’s absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.

    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here? You could perfectly support your country of birth, even the war in Ukraine, but avoid entering conspiracy territory. There’s a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time and it’s not worth your time trying to explain away each incident. We’ve all made up our minds a long time ago, even many of us who are not sympathetic to the Kiev regime or trust the MSM in the slightest.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here?
     
    Personally, I don’t see any damage, so there is nothing to control. I would not shed any tears for the moron who had single digit support in Russia (not for the lack of trying).

    There’s absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.
     
    A agree that there is nothing extraordinary in it. However, the West has promptly incriminated itself: almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion. It was exactly like Kerry saying that the US has satellite images showing what happened to MH17 in 2014 before the bodies of the victims even cooled. The US never produced those promised satellite images in ten years. Probably because they really showed what happened.

    You could perfectly support your country of birth,
     
    FYI, my country of birth does not exist: I was born in the USSR. Geographically, I was born in what now is Ukraine, in Lvov (this makes self-appointed Ukrainian patriots cringe) and lived for several years near Lvov. My birth certificate is in Ukrainian. That’s why I can speak local Ukrainian dialect: that’s the language I used while playing with other kids. I grew up in the area that was Ukrainian SSR at the time, in Lugansk, and spent several summers with my grandparents in Rovenki (a town in Lugansk region), even helped them plant and harvest potatoes on their plot several times. That’s why I speak Donabss surzhik (a weird mix of Russian and Ukrainian, with Ukrainian-style pronunciation of “g”). Even now I sometimes pronounce “g” Ukrainian, not Russian, way (Russian “g” sounds exactly like English). I read all Ukrainian literature worth reading (and some that was not worth reading). I like the sound of standard (Poltava) Ukrainian. To the best of my knowledge it is the most melodious Slavic language. That’s why, in addition to numerous other crimes it committed, I hold it against current Kiev regime that it gave Ukraine a bad name, defamed the country and Ukrainian language.

    There’s a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time
     
    There is a lot of unseemly stuff going on in every country. I know of more unseemly stuff that happened in the US in the last 20 years than in Russia (maybe because I live in the US). Just a couple of examples. One is the murder of Seth Rich. He was shot from the back at about 4 am while jogging in his track suit. The official version was (and still is) that he was a victim of an attempted robbery. Can you think of a robber targeting a person jogging in track suit? Can you think of a robber shooting his target from the back twice? If you believe the official version, you should believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster. The other is 2020 presidential “election”. The official version is that corrupt senile half-corpse won. Huge number of statistically highly improbable things happening, with all of them happening in swing states, makes the official version even less believable than Flying Spaghetti Monster. I also know unseemly stuff happening in the RF. E.g., recently Kagarlitsky was jailed for five years. I know him personally, he is a talkative piece of shit who never did anything useful in his life, but the most he deserved for his BS is a slap on the wrist.

    Replies: @Jazman, @Beckow, @Mikel

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army.
     
    One more thing: Avdeevka is not an ordinary small town in Donbass. More than half of Ukie shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, by which they murdered hundreds of civilians, was done from Mariinka and Avdeevka. Ukies will keep shelling Donetsk from other places until they are kicked far enough from it to make these crimes impossible (like they were kicked from the vicinity of Lugansk by local freedom fighters years ago), but liberation of Mariinka and Avdeevka will make this harder for the criminals.

    Replies: @Jazman

  281. @AnonfromTN
    Navalny died in jail. I do not know and have no way of finding out what actually happened. So, the only guidance I have is the classical qui bono. The timing is perfect for the imperial propagandists: something to distract the sheeple from Ukie catastrophe in Avdeevka. As to Putin, I strongly suspect that he’d prefer seeing Navalny alive in jail, rather than dead in Hell. Not to mention that, in sharp contrast to Hell, there is no doubt that the jail exists. This could be a coincidence, but in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Beckow, @Mikel, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Is there an obituary by somebody who knew and liked him?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Is there an obituary by somebody who knew and liked him?
     
    I think there will be: to my knowledge, at least 20-30 people liked him. Plus, his wife got a lot of very expensive things paid for by the money he stole, as well as the sums he received for his treacherous activities from the obvious parties. Maybe even the chick who had access to his briefs and flew with him to Germany liked him: there is no accounting for tastes. Also, quite a few libtards supported him on the basis of their principles.

    Replies: @Jazman

  282. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)...
    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.
     
    Habs were not Jewish. Your "most are not" doesn't match what we observe. Where do you live? Arkansas?

    I understand markets - my point is the financials are not real assets, they are a reflection of assets. A way to keep the score. Pay attention how the real assets are changing because the financials follow.


    I almost knocked one out for getting lippy with my wife as we were ordering coffee.
     
    Hold on, back up...was the lippy part consummated? Before or after she drunk the coffee? You may have bigger issues than trying to grab Crimea from the Russkies...Try Botswana, friend worked there as a doctor, easy work, great pay, but his wife almost left him. You know it is Botswana...but invest, why not, both Boeing and Pfizer are down 50% in the last few years...

    They would have preferred Russia to develop into a democracy and also manage its own resources.
     
    It didn't look like that in the last 20 years...Nato to Crimea? Why did anyone think that was a good idea? We remember you claimed it was all "fake", hot air talk, no "plan", Russians went looking for monsters when there was nothing but sincere friendship...is that what you believe? Maybe Botswana is the place for you. Or Arkansas...

    Most of Haiti is currently under gang control and their leader is an ex-cop who has eaten people. Not making this up.
     
    Zelko&Co. (and the nation of Polacks) say that about Putin...anything is possible, but I think people exaggerate, there are a lot of media folklore tales...

    I’m also not an egalitarian nor a globalist...
     
    If I recall you also don't care much for Mormons...three things we agree on. Now on to solving the Crimea dilemma, how about we give it to Goths? They annoy me with all the tattoos and bad music. Historically the Goths have better claim to Crimea than the Jews have to Palestine...they used to live there more recently...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)…
    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.

    Habs were not Jewish. Your “most are not” doesn’t match other people’s observations. Where do you live? Arkansas?

    Well numerous posters here use it as an epithet or euphemism to mean Jews. I really don’t care if they were Jews or not.

    I understand all markets well, incl. stocks – my point was that the financials are not real assets, they are a reflection of the real assets. A way to keep the score.

    Yes of course there are real assets within those investments. How does pointing that out negate anything I said?

    The point is that the wealthy 1% are not licking their lips over Russian resources. They make plenty of money when countries like Russia simply manage their own economies properly and buy American products with the profits.

    This idea of American or EU elites wanting to colonize Russia (a common belief of rural Russians) shows a misunderstanding of how these elites profit from a functioning global economy. They really don’t give a shit if Gazprom or Chevron handles Russia’s oil. They make money anyways. They’re not even managing these portfolios. Someone else does it while they ski.

    And that is only one of many methods. They can have some wall st trader making flash trades of currency while they vacation in Italy. Meaning they can profit from the decline or growth of Russia or any other country. They really don’t give a flying F as long as there is a return. I doubt half these blue bloods could find Ukraine on a map.

    Hold on, back up…was the lippy part consummated?
    Lippy means back talking.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lippy

    Nato to Crimea?

    What are you talking about exactly? Did you see the video I posted where Putin describes Crimea as part of Ukraine?

  283. @AP
    @Beckow


    Like a small child you medicate yourself with happy talk…”no, we didn’t lose the war!
     
    Was Baghdad and all of Iraq taken in 5 weeks? Yes or no?

    Was the Iraqi leader captured and executed? Yes or no?

    Was the Iraqi state erased and replaced with one that the USA approved? Yes or no?

    The state that the USA gave to Iraq after defeating it is sort of a democracy. The Shiites won the elections and asked America to leave, which America did. Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there (I had been writing 2,000 - that was my mistake). This state is closer to Iran than the USA would like it to be.

    For some reason you desperately want this to mean that America was defeated in a war in Iraq.

    Kiev had a few chances to make an acceptable deal and they threw it away. Now for the inevitable consequences.
     
    Most likely, especially if America fails to come through - stalemate for awhile until both sides decide the current lines more or less are better than continued slaughter, with Russia not interfering with Ukraine's internal laws, EU and probably NATO plans, Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

    If America gets its act together and resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly - about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    …Though America still keeps 2,500 soldiers there

    Right…US has embassies with that many people, Moscow used to have 1k there. In a country of 25 million it means nothing. US lost the Iraq war and it cost a lot.

    stalemate for awhile until both sides decide the current lines are better than continued slaughter, with Russia not interfering with Ukraine’s internal laws, EU and probably NATO plans, Ukraine giving up on captured territory.

    If America resumes supplying Ukraine lavishly – about 50/50 stalemate versus Ukrainian win.

    It is a given Nato will continue the supplies…and it will be lavish, the only constraint is availability. Do you predict 50% chance Kiev will take back Crimea? Wow…what would they do with the 2 million Russians there? Maybe a voluntary push to Egypt? If you can explain why Russia wouldn’t use a small nuke to stop it, please do.

    The 50% stalemate will not happen, unless you define stalemate very generously. Russia can’t have the Ukies bombing their civilians, they will push them back. Listen to what they say and watch what they do: grinding destruction of the Kiev’s army and slow clearing of the territory. At any point they can destroy the Ukie central-western cities – they have the capability.

    You are playing with fire. The odds are a much smaller rump-Ukraine that agrees to obey – definitely no Nato. Where exactly is the new border will depend on how long it takes and whether Russia thinks they can keep the occupied lands pacified. If they go nuts it can be very bad. If they want to preserve a semblance of ‘friendship’ it can be milder. Why would they? Zelko&Co. go out of their way trying to provoke the most brutal retaliation.

    What if Russia snaps? Imagine a massive civilian destruction, hundreds of people, Zelko is hooting up and celebrating – and Putin has an election in a few weeks. Recognize reality and stop playing with the Ukie lives…

  284. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Habsburgs by any chance? That will go really well..:)...
    Most US elite are not Jewish nor do they have direct relatives in Europe.
     
    Habs were not Jewish. Your "most are not" doesn't match what we observe. Where do you live? Arkansas?

    I understand markets - my point is the financials are not real assets, they are a reflection of assets. A way to keep the score. Pay attention how the real assets are changing because the financials follow.


    I almost knocked one out for getting lippy with my wife as we were ordering coffee.
     
    Hold on, back up...was the lippy part consummated? Before or after she drunk the coffee? You may have bigger issues than trying to grab Crimea from the Russkies...Try Botswana, friend worked there as a doctor, easy work, great pay, but his wife almost left him. You know it is Botswana...but invest, why not, both Boeing and Pfizer are down 50% in the last few years...

    They would have preferred Russia to develop into a democracy and also manage its own resources.
     
    It didn't look like that in the last 20 years...Nato to Crimea? Why did anyone think that was a good idea? We remember you claimed it was all "fake", hot air talk, no "plan", Russians went looking for monsters when there was nothing but sincere friendship...is that what you believe? Maybe Botswana is the place for you. Or Arkansas...

    Most of Haiti is currently under gang control and their leader is an ex-cop who has eaten people. Not making this up.
     
    Zelko&Co. (and the nation of Polacks) say that about Putin...anything is possible, but I think people exaggerate, there are a lot of media folklore tales...

    I’m also not an egalitarian nor a globalist...
     
    If I recall you also don't care much for Mormons...three things we agree on. Now on to solving the Crimea dilemma, how about we give it to Goths? They annoy me with all the tattoos and bad music. Historically the Goths have better claim to Crimea than the Jews have to Palestine...they used to live there more recently...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    Where do you live? Arkansas?

    Wow, no holes barred on this insult. You’re never so caustic in characterizing Professor Tennessee for his chosen area of habitation? We wont even go into your witty sarcasm related to my resident state. 🙂

    Is Arkansas really that much worse than Slovakia?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ..Is Arkansas really that much worse than Slovakia?
     
    Yes, it is...kind of a rural sh..hole, hot, humid, marshy, weird demographic. I liked Scottsdale better. Regarding Tennessee, it seemed nicer, Nashville has some cool parts, the river is great, bbq, fried chicken...

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  285. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    He looks kind of short in this photo too?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjsGVUOX0AECNUt.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    I shouldn’t encourage JJ’s phobia, but heck, we all need our fun.

    [MORE]

    Tyrion quotes go here.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    Maybe not a "Tyrion quote", but hey, anything to make you feel better QCIC:

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/EC86/production/_97405506_hi013565898.jpg

    The "Big Man" in all of his splendid glory?

  286. Overhead someone listening to an amateur military analyst on YouTube the other day.

    From his accent, I believe he was Ukrainian, though am not sure where based (would presume US), and I didn’t catch his name.

    But I thought it very curious how he called Trump an “enemy of Ukraine”, as though he was leading an invasion into it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Ukrainians need more assurances from their politicians regarding their support of the Ukrainian cause. Trump is hard to characterise in this regard. Personally, I was a big fan and brought up on a steady diet of anti-soviet (Russian) opinion that was very clearly stated by Ronald Reagan:

    https://youtu.be/WX00QkvK-mQ
    Clear and easy to understand. Any doubts that Reagan would have become a strong supporter of Ukraine during this confrontation? None, in my mind.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @LatW
    @songbird


    But I thought it very curious how he called Trump an “enemy of Ukraine”, as though he was leading an invasion into it.
     
    In this day and age, one doesn't need to lead an invasion to become an enemy of a whole group of Eastern Euros (and maybe even some Central ones) - Ribbentrop style actions such as friendly & fawning interviews with mass murderers can suffice.

    If one has decided to be isolationist, stay put and deal with your own problems, do not meddle in international politics.

    Replies: @songbird

  287. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I shouldn't encourage JJ's phobia, but heck, we all need our fun.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UVBgUd9GE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osOLmUaL6ck
    Tyrion quotes go here.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Maybe not a “Tyrion quote”, but hey, anything to make you feel better QCIC:

    The “Big Man” in all of his splendid glory?

  288. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Where do you live? Arkansas?
     
    Wow, no holes barred on this insult. You're never so caustic in characterizing Professor Tennessee for his chosen area of habitation? We wont even go into your witty sarcasm related to my resident state. :-)

    https://youtu.be/UOlOyyLHKPw
    Is Arkansas really that much worse than Slovakia?

    Replies: @Beckow

    ..Is Arkansas really that much worse than Slovakia?

    Yes, it is…kind of a rural sh..hole, hot, humid, marshy, weird demographic. I liked Scottsdale better. Regarding Tennessee, it seemed nicer, Nashville has some cool parts, the river is great, bbq, fried chicken…

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    Ozark National Forest is spectacular. Go in the early spring for minimum ticks, chiggers, copperheads, and poison ivy.

    Some of the counties do not sell alcohol.

    Replies: @Beckow

  289. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    He looks kind of short in this photo too?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjsGVUOX0AECNUt.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    What amazing piece of wit and humour – I can see we have no chance of defeating the Ukronazis…and can only accept defeat in the SMO. I’m now relocating to Ufa – our new western border soon because of this unstoppable and intelligent ukrainian onslaught.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  290. @songbird
    Overhead someone listening to an amateur military analyst on YouTube the other day.

    From his accent, I believe he was Ukrainian, though am not sure where based (would presume US), and I didn't catch his name.

    But I thought it very curious how he called Trump an "enemy of Ukraine", as though he was leading an invasion into it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    Ukrainians need more assurances from their politicians regarding their support of the Ukrainian cause. Trump is hard to characterise in this regard. Personally, I was a big fan and brought up on a steady diet of anti-soviet (Russian) opinion that was very clearly stated by Ronald Reagan:

    Clear and easy to understand. Any doubts that Reagan would have become a strong supporter of Ukraine during this confrontation? None, in my mind.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Sad to say, but I think Germany would have been better off, if the wall stayed up. Probably Berlin too.

    The Cold War was a distraction, IMO. The worst enemies of the West were always internal.

    Am not sure that Reagan holds up too well in retrospect. He signed the first amnesty and now more migrants enter illegally than there are births.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

  291. Navalny’s Death

    Re: Below Linked Video & Article

    Good overview below on Navalny’s political life. From an extreme nationalist, who got kicked out of a liberal political party to a “useful idiot” (a more accurate borrowing of Hillary Clinton’s erroneous characterization of Tucker Carlson) for Western neolibs and neocons. He was never a popular opposition figure in Russia, when compared to others like the Liberal Democrats and Communists.

    NJ Senator Menendez just sent a release on Navalny’s death. Such is the hypocrisy. US citizen Gonzalo Lira was arrested by the Kiev regime on purely political grounds, dying in prison captivity. US mass media paid no attention to Lira’s situation unlike Britney Griner, Evan Gershkovich and Paul Whelan. If anything, there was a greater legit legal basis for the latter three to be arrested.

    Lira’s father said the US State Department was lax in trying to get his son’s release. Biden earlier bragged about how he got the Ukrainian government to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was working for.

    There’s also the ongoing matter of Julian Assange.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/592537-opposition-figure-alexey-navalny-dead/

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Putin is just tantruming over losing an entire ship and crew to a country that doesn't have a navy and was supposed to be defeated in 2.5 weeks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNeZFIE8gCE

    Killing Nalvany in his rage fit was a stupid move.

    Not a good idea to remind House Republicans that he is a mafia midget dictator that kills the opposition because he doesn't have the balls or talent to debate them.

    Putin is a child in an old man's body.

    A Joe Rogan guest had a story of a younger Putin where he lost an arm wrestling match to a buff guy and demanded rematches. It was just pathetic. He tantrumed the entire day and talked about how he could have won.

  292. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/10/13/67548115-11735931-image-a-14_1676034311111.jpg :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    Enough with the childish posts Hack. You are a disgrace. Because you are acting like a stupid kid I am now going to inform everybody about your name, your family, what you looked like and your passport number.

    People don’t realise that Mr Hack was actually famous as a child in Russia. His mother, Oksana, a strong, charismatic, highly intelligent women. She gave Mr Hack his sense of adventure,discipline, toughness. His head is literally one of the strongest on the planet – all thanks to his mother, Oksana Liberman.

    Here is Mr Hack with his mother on tv. One of the most beautiful smiles I’ve ever seen on a woman. She knows what is best for her child. She is courageously protecting young Mr Hack from these thugs. . She knows that these pressures when released at certain height on specific parts of the skull will form Mr Hacks brilliant brain as an adult and lead to the brilliance we read hear every week and the amazingly funny cartoons he posts. Don’t bother with the parts with the blogger – and unfortunately the best parts of Oksana’s advanced level parenting skills are blocked out.
    Here is Mr Hack in his youth:

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.

    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.

    Could even be his first White woman.

    HOT SHOWER

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayr-46BkKHI

    Replies: @Derer, @Gerard1234

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    My mother could kick Putler's ass on her worst day! :-)

  293. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ..Is Arkansas really that much worse than Slovakia?
     
    Yes, it is...kind of a rural sh..hole, hot, humid, marshy, weird demographic. I liked Scottsdale better. Regarding Tennessee, it seemed nicer, Nashville has some cool parts, the river is great, bbq, fried chicken...

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Ozark National Forest is spectacular. Go in the early spring for minimum ticks, chiggers, copperheads, and poison ivy.

    Some of the counties do not sell alcohol.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    So many forests and so little time...I will bring my own booze.

  294. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    Ozark National Forest is spectacular. Go in the early spring for minimum ticks, chiggers, copperheads, and poison ivy.

    Some of the counties do not sell alcohol.

    Replies: @Beckow

    So many forests and so little time…I will bring my own booze.

  295. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Neither they nor the Algerians should have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland or destroyed as nations, but losing a chunk of it would seem to be fair punishment and compensation. The Germans lost East Prussia.

     

    Germany lost a lot more than East Prussia in 1945. But German atrocities in WWII occurred right before Germany lost its eastern territories, whereas Algerian slave raiding was over 130 years in the past by the time that Algeria gained its independence. To use a fairer analogy, it would be like stripping Germany of East Prussia back in 1919 in response to Prussia participating in the partitions of Poland in the late 1700s.

    Also, it is worth noting that France hurt its credibility by not leaving Algeria immediately in 1954 and thus causing much more death and suffering both on its own side and on the Algerian side. Had France left Algeria in 1954, I could see a case for France keeping Oran, but after all of the suffering that France helped to inflict by 1962, I think that morally speaking, France would have already settled its historical scores with the Algerians, no?

    They would be nicer places in general and being nicer for tourism would follow. Imagine if Algeria with its beaches and vineyards were restored to Christendom and the Mediterranean world alongside the post-Roman peoples, as it was during the time of St. Augustine. What a delightful place it would have been, a land of beautiful Catholic Berbers. It is too bad that the Spaniards were unable to fully extend their Reconquista across the Mediterranean or that the French did not emulate them. Europeans were not the same in the 19th century. How many problems would have been solved if the Ethiopians were given back Yemen and tasked with restoring its Christianity.

     

    Israel is ruled by Jews rather than by Christians and yet is also a nice place to live, or at least was before October 7. Would be much nicer if a successful Israeli-Palestinian peace deal will be made, though, even if Palestine will subsequently become an Israeli vassal/satellite state in exchange for its independence.

    FWIW, I'm not disagreeing with your general point here. I do think that having the Muslim world become Christian again would solve a lot of its problems, albeit not the low average IQ one or possibly the cousin marriage one either (though maybe there's more hope on this one since the Catholic Church at least has been historically hostile towards cousin marriages). But then again, I also think that a lot of the same effects could be achieved by having the Muslim world just flat-out secularize. Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan are some of the nicest places in the Muslim world and are also some of the most secular places in the Muslim world. Iran might end up becoming the same way if the ayatollahs in charge of there will ever get overthrown by the Iranian people.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    Algerian slave raiding was over 130 years in the past by the time that Algeria gained its independence

    Because the Europeans invaded and conquered the place. Then they started settling it almost right away. Oran was over 50% European in the 20th century. Instead of displacing all of those people to France, they could have stayed there and anti-French minority could have been exchanged with Pied Noir from other regions in Algeria.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Because the Europeans invaded and conquered the place.

     

    Didn't slave raiding also end in various other Muslim places when they were conquered or at least severely defeated by Christians, though, such as Crimea (Crimean Khanate), Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire/Turkey (and not to mention various African places)? Apparently Turkey only abolished slavery in 1924, for instance. Should all of these places have subsequently been opened to European settler colonialism on an extraordinarily massive scale?

    Then they started settling it almost right away.
     
    Russia started settling Central Asia in the late 19th century.

    Oran was over 50% European in the 20th century.
     
    So was northern Kazakhstan, no? Should Russia have been allowed to permanently keep it?

    Instead of displacing all of those people to France, they could have stayed there and anti-French minority could have been exchanged with Pied Noir from other regions in Algeria.
     
    Couldn't similar logic have been applied to northern Kazakhstan as well if a hypothetical Russian nationalist government would have conquered it back in, say, 1992 (or even in 2014 or later, for that matter)? As in, send the Kazakhs living there further to the south while sending the remaining Kazakh and other Central Asian Russians up north to help resettle northern Kazakhstan?

    Or is the difference here that Kazakhs are more civilized than Algerians are and are thus more deserving to keep all of their historical territories? But were Kazakhs as civilized before the Russians conquered them? Apparently the Kazakh Khanate enjoyed capturing and enslaving Russians back when it still existed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_Khanate

    Should Russia have been entitled to acquire and permanently keep northern Kazakhstan as compensation for the Kazakh Khanate's past participation in the capture and slave trade of Russians? Serious question, BTW.

    Some history on this for you:


    Kazakh Khanate slave trade on Russian settlement
    During the 18th century, raids by Kazakhs on Russia's territory of Orenburg were common; the Kazakhs captured many Russians and sold them as slaves in the Central Asian market. The Volga Germans were also victims of Kazakh raids; they were ethnic Germans living along the River Volga in the region of southeastern European Russia around Saratov.

    In 1717, 3,000 Russian slaves, men, women, and children, were sold in Khiva by Kazakh and Kyrgyz tribesmen.[21]

    In 1722, they stole cattle, robbed from Russian villages and people trapped in captivity and sold in the slave markets of Central Asia (in 1722 in Bukhara were over 5,000 Russian prisoners). In the middle of the 17th century, 500 Russians were annually sold to Khiva by Kazakhs

    In 1730, the Kazakhs' frequent raids into Russian lands were a constant irritant and resulted in the enslavement of many of the Tsar's subjects, who were sold on the Kazakh steppe.[22]

    In 1736, urged on by Kirilov, the Kazakhs of the Lesser and Middle Hordes launched raids into Bashkir lands, killing or capturing many Bashkirs in the Siberian and Nogay districts.[23]

    In 1743, an order was given by the senate in response to the failure to defend against the Kazakh attack on a Russian settlement, which resulted in 14 Russians killed, 24 wounded. In addition, 96 Cossacks were captured by Kazakhs.[24]

    In 1755, Nepliuev tried to enlist Kazakh support by ending the reprisal raids and promising that the Kazakhs could keep the Bashkir women and children living among them (a long-standing point of contention between Nepliuev and Khan Nurali of the Junior Jüz).[25] Thousands of Bashkirs would be massacred or taken captive by Kazakhs over the course of the uprising, whether in an effort to demonstrate loyalty to the Tsarist state, or as a purely opportunistic maneuver.[26][27]

    In the period between 1764 and 1803, according to data collected by the Orenburg Commission, twenty Russian caravans were attacked and plundered. Kazakh raiders attacked even big caravans which were accompanied by numerous guards.[28]

    In spring 1774, the Russians demanded the Khan return 256 Russians captured by a recent Kazakh raid.[29]

    In summer 1774, when Russian troops in the Kazan region were suppressing the rebellion led by the Cossack leader Pugachev, the Kazakhs launched more than 240 raids and captured many Russians and herds along the border of Orenburg.[29]

    In 1799, the biggest Russian caravan which was plundered at that time lost goods worth 295,000 rubles.[30]

    By 1830, the Russian government estimated that two hundred Russians were kidnapped and sold into slavery in Khiva every year.[31]

    Russian empire slave trade on Kazakh settlement
    In 1737, Empress of Russia Anna Ioannovna issued an order that legalized slave trade in Siberia.[32]

    There were accounts of Russian Cossack raids that captured Kazakh families, which were then taken to Petropavlovsk and Omsk, where they were sold to wealthy Russian land owners into serfdom.[32]

    By the end of 18th century, the lands of Kazakh Junior Jüz (or Junior Horde) were incorporated into the Russian Empire, and raids by Kazakhs on Russian colonies has gradually declined and stopped.[30]

    On May 23, 1808, Governor Peter Kaptzevich signed an order that freed all slave or serf Kazakhs of both genders who reached the age of 25.[32]

    Abolition of slavery
    At major markets in Bukhara, Samarkand, Karakul, Karshi and Charju, slaves consisted mainly of Iranians and Russians, and some Kalmuks; they were brought there by Turkmen, Kazakh and Kyrgyz.[33] A notorious slave market for captured Russian and Persian slaves was centered in the Khanate of Khiva from the 17th to the 19th century.[34] During the first half of the 19th century alone, some one million Persians, as well as an unknown number of Russians, were enslaved and transported to Central Asian khanates.[35][36] When Russian troops took Khiva in 1873 there were 29,300 Persian slaves, captured by Turkoman raiders.[citation needed] According to Josef Wolff (Report of 1843–1845) the population of the Khanate of Bukhara was 1,200,000, of whom 200,000 were Persian slaves.[37]
     

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  296. @Mikhail
    Navalny's Death

    Re: Below Linked Video & Article

    Good overview below on Navalny's political life. From an extreme nationalist, who got kicked out of a liberal political party to a "useful idiot" (a more accurate borrowing of Hillary Clinton's erroneous characterization of Tucker Carlson) for Western neolibs and neocons. He was never a popular opposition figure in Russia, when compared to others like the Liberal Democrats and Communists.

    NJ Senator Menendez just sent a release on Navalny's death. Such is the hypocrisy. US citizen Gonzalo Lira was arrested by the Kiev regime on purely political grounds, dying in prison captivity. US mass media paid no attention to Lira's situation unlike Britney Griner, Evan Gershkovich and Paul Whelan. If anything, there was a greater legit legal basis for the latter three to be arrested.

    Lira's father said the US State Department was lax in trying to get his son's release. Biden earlier bragged about how he got the Ukrainian government to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was working for.

    There's also the ongoing matter of Julian Assange.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH_2GuqJ4LM&t=712s

    https://www.rt.com/russia/592537-opposition-figure-alexey-navalny-dead/

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Putin is just tantruming over losing an entire ship and crew to a country that doesn’t have a navy and was supposed to be defeated in 2.5 weeks.

    Killing Nalvany in his rage fit was a stupid move.

    Not a good idea to remind House Republicans that he is a mafia midget dictator that kills the opposition because he doesn’t have the balls or talent to debate them.

    Putin is a child in an old man’s body.

    A Joe Rogan guest had a story of a younger Putin where he lost an arm wrestling match to a buff guy and demanded rematches. It was just pathetic. He tantrumed the entire day and talked about how he could have won.

    • Troll: Mikhail
  297. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Enough with the childish posts Hack. You are a disgrace. Because you are acting like a stupid kid I am now going to inform everybody about your name, your family, what you looked like and your passport number.

    People don't realise that Mr Hack was actually famous as a child in Russia. His mother, Oksana, a strong, charismatic, highly intelligent women. She gave Mr Hack his sense of adventure,discipline, toughness. His head is literally one of the strongest on the planet - all thanks to his mother, Oksana Liberman.

    Here is Mr Hack with his mother on tv. One of the most beautiful smiles I've ever seen on a woman. She knows what is best for her child. She is courageously protecting young Mr Hack from these thugs. . She knows that these pressures when released at certain height on specific parts of the skull will form Mr Hacks brilliant brain as an adult and lead to the brilliance we read hear every week and the amazingly funny cartoons he posts. Don't bother with the parts with the blogger - and unfortunately the best parts of Oksana's advanced level parenting skills are blocked out.
    Here is Mr Hack in his youth:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ci3TV4b7E

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.

    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.

    Could even be his first White woman.

    HOT SHOWER

    • Replies: @Derer
    @John Johnson

    You are getting berserk...seek help.

    , @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.
     
    I have never heard of these 2 people that you mention here. Though if you think they are bad, then my natural assumption is they must be good.

    Assuming they are Republicans - I did already mention that my preferred desire would be for Trump to get the Eichman treatment from Russia - we need to do one big stunt with big consequence for the freakshow that is the American elections. Until he is elected then he is not a public official ( so not "off-limits" in my view). Obviously it won't( ?) happen - but it would be a dream if it did - certainly as punishing western war criminals for their Ukrainian actions does appear to be aspect of SMO completely out of our capability.
    He's a traitor to Russia with his presidential policies - so that makes him worse to me than democrats.

    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.
     
    There is no actual "Putin support" in America. But much of the "Ukrainian" support is either Polish-diaspora freaks, Banderite genuine incels, Jewish-pogrom blood-libel scum (Putin actually mentioned this 2 days before, focusing on Blinken) ...........and the sex tourist perverts, US paedophiles, human traffikers, organ harvesters etc and other trash in America who have this artificial support for Ukraine.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  298. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties
     
    In my experience (and in the experience of any sane person) 99.9% of coincidences are organized by pure luck and the simple laws of statistics. They've been happening all the time since the start of the Universe. There's absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.

    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here? You could perfectly support your country of birth, even the war in Ukraine, but avoid entering conspiracy territory. There's a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time and it's not worth your time trying to explain away each incident. We've all made up our minds a long time ago, even many of us who are not sympathetic to the Kiev regime or trust the MSM in the slightest.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here?

    Personally, I don’t see any damage, so there is nothing to control. I would not shed any tears for the moron who had single digit support in Russia (not for the lack of trying).

    There’s absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.

    A agree that there is nothing extraordinary in it. However, the West has promptly incriminated itself: almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion. It was exactly like Kerry saying that the US has satellite images showing what happened to MH17 in 2014 before the bodies of the victims even cooled. The US never produced those promised satellite images in ten years. Probably because they really showed what happened.

    You could perfectly support your country of birth,

    FYI, my country of birth does not exist: I was born in the USSR. Geographically, I was born in what now is Ukraine, in Lvov (this makes self-appointed Ukrainian patriots cringe) and lived for several years near Lvov. My birth certificate is in Ukrainian. That’s why I can speak local Ukrainian dialect: that’s the language I used while playing with other kids. I grew up in the area that was Ukrainian SSR at the time, in Lugansk, and spent several summers with my grandparents in Rovenki (a town in Lugansk region), even helped them plant and harvest potatoes on their plot several times. That’s why I speak Donabss surzhik (a weird mix of Russian and Ukrainian, with Ukrainian-style pronunciation of “g”). Even now I sometimes pronounce “g” Ukrainian, not Russian, way (Russian “g” sounds exactly like English). I read all Ukrainian literature worth reading (and some that was not worth reading). I like the sound of standard (Poltava) Ukrainian. To the best of my knowledge it is the most melodious Slavic language. That’s why, in addition to numerous other crimes it committed, I hold it against current Kiev regime that it gave Ukraine a bad name, defamed the country and Ukrainian language.

    There’s a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time

    There is a lot of unseemly stuff going on in every country. I know of more unseemly stuff that happened in the US in the last 20 years than in Russia (maybe because I live in the US). Just a couple of examples. One is the murder of Seth Rich. He was shot from the back at about 4 am while jogging in his track suit. The official version was (and still is) that he was a victim of an attempted robbery. Can you think of a robber targeting a person jogging in track suit? Can you think of a robber shooting his target from the back twice? If you believe the official version, you should believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster. The other is 2020 presidential “election”. The official version is that corrupt senile half-corpse won. Huge number of statistically highly improbable things happening, with all of them happening in swing states, makes the official version even less believable than Flying Spaghetti Monster. I also know unseemly stuff happening in the RF. E.g., recently Kagarlitsky was jailed for five years. I know him personally, he is a talkative piece of shit who never did anything useful in his life, but the most he deserved for his BS is a slap on the wrist.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...There is a lot of unseemly stuff going on in every country.
     
    That's the interesting thing about our times. I don't have long memory but it seems that until 2000 there was less unseemly stuff happening each year. Then it reversed. Lately it has exploded with crazy sh..t and people just shrug their shoulders.

    Assange kept in jail for over a decade for publishing embarrassing info without even being taken to court - and the collective Western media cheers it on.1,000 people in prison for demonstrating in Congress (the People's House!) and media mumbles "they are rebels"...have these people ever seen an actual rebellion?

    The bloody wars, lying, media control, gerontocrats and obvious idiots (ok, they were there also before), voting "by mail" - what the hell is that? can people just call it in from Moldova? - as if the West is suffering from a silent hysteria. These things were in the past ridiculed and dismissed by using common sense. Now there is a 85-year old (? not sure, but he looks it) dementia patient with shifty eyes who claims to be "running the free world"...

    I watched the bizarre black lady Atlanta prosecutor with her pimp boyfriend - how is this even possible in a society with some standards? AP can go on about "PISSA" all he wants, that was a horror-show: hysterical, obviously lying shrew convinced that nothing can happen to her no matter how much she lies or steals - because she is a "victim". But it is not her fault - it is the fault of the ones who put her there.

    For all we know Navalny froze to death out of neglect - it is February in the Arctic. Or took one too many C19 vaccines...or somebody rubbed him out. We are back to a bloody, no-rules world. I could be wrong, but my recollection is that it mostly started with endless Western missteps and aggressions. If the can't control its crazies they take over and it spreads.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion
     
    Of course they did. What did you expect? You imprison a politician that was about to die in very mysterious circumstances on trumped-up charges, he dies in prison and your enemies enjoy the gift you've given them. It's the same dynamic of Ukraine hiring Cirillo and having to sack him when he posts embarrassing stuff while Zelensky is visiting the US. Stupid acts with easily predictable consequences.

    Avdeevka is not an ordinary small town in Donbass. More than half of Ukie shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, by which they murdered hundreds of civilians, was done from Mariinka and Avdeevka.
     
    I know that and I'm glad that the Ukies are being driven out of there, though I'm not sure how much that's going to protect the civilians in Donetsk. We've given them plenty of long-range weapons to continue practicing their old tactics from further away and the Pentagon spokesman (John Kirby iirc) explicitly said that the US is not asking questions on how the Ukrainians use these weapons inside their territory.

    However, very few people in the West know anything about what the Ukrainians have done from Avdiivka. Navalny barely survived a coma a few years ago and was imprisoned in harsh conditions in the Arctic circle. His death at one point or another was not something particularly surprising, in the same way that Avdiivka falling to the Russians at some point or another was also predictable once the Kremlin decided to focus on that objective. Thinking that some fifth columnist in the Russian Arctic killed Navalny in connection with the events in Adviivka sounds very nutty.

    I'm not going to start a discussion on some other conspiratorial stuff you've mentioned but I do agree that there's plenty of corruption in the West these days too, like the politically motivated trials against the presidential candidate leading the polls in the US. I haven't seen anything like this in my lifetime but I don't think that we're going to solve our problems by emulating Russia at all.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

  299. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Is there an obituary by somebody who knew and liked him?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Is there an obituary by somebody who knew and liked him?

    I think there will be: to my knowledge, at least 20-30 people liked him. Plus, his wife got a lot of very expensive things paid for by the money he stole, as well as the sums he received for his treacherous activities from the obvious parties. Maybe even the chick who had access to his briefs and flew with him to Germany liked him: there is no accounting for tastes. Also, quite a few libtards supported him on the basis of their principles.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    Look like bitch already have a boyfriend rich of course Cicvarkin

  300. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    in my experience 99% of coincidences are organized by interested parties
     
    In my experience (and in the experience of any sane person) 99.9% of coincidences are organized by pure luck and the simple laws of statistics. They've been happening all the time since the start of the Universe. There's absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.

    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here? You could perfectly support your country of birth, even the war in Ukraine, but avoid entering conspiracy territory. There's a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time and it's not worth your time trying to explain away each incident. We've all made up our minds a long time ago, even many of us who are not sympathetic to the Kiev regime or trust the MSM in the slightest.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army.

    One more thing: Avdeevka is not an ordinary small town in Donbass. More than half of Ukie shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, by which they murdered hundreds of civilians, was done from Mariinka and Avdeevka. Ukies will keep shelling Donetsk from other places until they are kicked far enough from it to make these crimes impossible (like they were kicked from the vicinity of Lugansk by local freedom fighters years ago), but liberation of Mariinka and Avdeevka will make this harder for the criminals.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    It was really fortress , from what I found reading one of the best military correspondents Marat Hairulin Ukies built 600 fortifications

  301. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army.
     
    One more thing: Avdeevka is not an ordinary small town in Donbass. More than half of Ukie shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, by which they murdered hundreds of civilians, was done from Mariinka and Avdeevka. Ukies will keep shelling Donetsk from other places until they are kicked far enough from it to make these crimes impossible (like they were kicked from the vicinity of Lugansk by local freedom fighters years ago), but liberation of Mariinka and Avdeevka will make this harder for the criminals.

    Replies: @Jazman

    It was really fortress , from what I found reading one of the best military correspondents Marat Hairulin Ukies built 600 fortifications

  302. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Is there an obituary by somebody who knew and liked him?
     
    I think there will be: to my knowledge, at least 20-30 people liked him. Plus, his wife got a lot of very expensive things paid for by the money he stole, as well as the sums he received for his treacherous activities from the obvious parties. Maybe even the chick who had access to his briefs and flew with him to Germany liked him: there is no accounting for tastes. Also, quite a few libtards supported him on the basis of their principles.

    Replies: @Jazman

    Look like bitch already have a boyfriend rich of course Cicvarkin

  303. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Ukrainians need more assurances from their politicians regarding their support of the Ukrainian cause. Trump is hard to characterise in this regard. Personally, I was a big fan and brought up on a steady diet of anti-soviet (Russian) opinion that was very clearly stated by Ronald Reagan:

    https://youtu.be/WX00QkvK-mQ
    Clear and easy to understand. Any doubts that Reagan would have become a strong supporter of Ukraine during this confrontation? None, in my mind.

    Replies: @songbird

    Sad to say, but I think Germany would have been better off, if the wall stayed up. Probably Berlin too.

    The Cold War was a distraction, IMO. The worst enemies of the West were always internal.

    Am not sure that Reagan holds up too well in retrospect. He signed the first amnesty and now more migrants enter illegally than there are births.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Pretty hard core, but I can almost sympathize with your desire to keep the barbarians at bay. But today, the barbarians (like Professor Tennessee) find all manner of excuses to come and settle over here, make a decent living, and then shit on their adopted country. I despise hypocrites too. As for Reagan, he was one of Ireland's greatest gifts to this country.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Reagan was contaminated at the 1980 convention when the spooks forced the spook Bush onto the ticket. He gave great speeches for the American Myth. Last great hope of freedom on earth.

    If that is the best we can do we are abundantly screwed like Joe Pesci at the drive through.

  304. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here?
     
    Personally, I don’t see any damage, so there is nothing to control. I would not shed any tears for the moron who had single digit support in Russia (not for the lack of trying).

    There’s absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.
     
    A agree that there is nothing extraordinary in it. However, the West has promptly incriminated itself: almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion. It was exactly like Kerry saying that the US has satellite images showing what happened to MH17 in 2014 before the bodies of the victims even cooled. The US never produced those promised satellite images in ten years. Probably because they really showed what happened.

    You could perfectly support your country of birth,
     
    FYI, my country of birth does not exist: I was born in the USSR. Geographically, I was born in what now is Ukraine, in Lvov (this makes self-appointed Ukrainian patriots cringe) and lived for several years near Lvov. My birth certificate is in Ukrainian. That’s why I can speak local Ukrainian dialect: that’s the language I used while playing with other kids. I grew up in the area that was Ukrainian SSR at the time, in Lugansk, and spent several summers with my grandparents in Rovenki (a town in Lugansk region), even helped them plant and harvest potatoes on their plot several times. That’s why I speak Donabss surzhik (a weird mix of Russian and Ukrainian, with Ukrainian-style pronunciation of “g”). Even now I sometimes pronounce “g” Ukrainian, not Russian, way (Russian “g” sounds exactly like English). I read all Ukrainian literature worth reading (and some that was not worth reading). I like the sound of standard (Poltava) Ukrainian. To the best of my knowledge it is the most melodious Slavic language. That’s why, in addition to numerous other crimes it committed, I hold it against current Kiev regime that it gave Ukraine a bad name, defamed the country and Ukrainian language.

    There’s a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time
     
    There is a lot of unseemly stuff going on in every country. I know of more unseemly stuff that happened in the US in the last 20 years than in Russia (maybe because I live in the US). Just a couple of examples. One is the murder of Seth Rich. He was shot from the back at about 4 am while jogging in his track suit. The official version was (and still is) that he was a victim of an attempted robbery. Can you think of a robber targeting a person jogging in track suit? Can you think of a robber shooting his target from the back twice? If you believe the official version, you should believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster. The other is 2020 presidential “election”. The official version is that corrupt senile half-corpse won. Huge number of statistically highly improbable things happening, with all of them happening in swing states, makes the official version even less believable than Flying Spaghetti Monster. I also know unseemly stuff happening in the RF. E.g., recently Kagarlitsky was jailed for five years. I know him personally, he is a talkative piece of shit who never did anything useful in his life, but the most he deserved for his BS is a slap on the wrist.

    Replies: @Jazman, @Beckow, @Mikel

    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Jazman


    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian
     
    The vast majority of Ukraine residents speaks Russian. Maybe 20-25% (mostly in villages and small towns) speak standard (Poltava) Ukrainian, and maybe another 7-10% in the Western Ukraine speak local Polonized and/or Germanized dialects. Donbass and Southern Ukraine speak surzhik (which is ~70-80% Russian with Ukrainian pronunciation of “g”). Ukrainian is beautiful-sounding but woefully underdeveloped language. Of course, current Kiev regime and its partisans would never acknowledge the reality.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    , @Gerard1234
    @Jazman


    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian
     
    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian - not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc.....but a majority.

    Shops or bars etc some of the workers (in the western towns ) will reply in Ukrainian if you ask them in Russian - most of the time in a friendly way, sometimes with a negative undertone to it.

    Large majority of the freaks in positions in power in 404 are ethnic Russians/Russian speakers (even the ones born in the west of the country). It sounds unusual - but it's just Banderastan - a mental illness not a nation.

    The majority of the people, majority of the relevant people in politics, business, science, industry etc are in the "Russian" areas of 404, so in some criteria it shouldn't surprise (though of course it does) that these are also the areas doing most of the ukronazi work. Thats totally different to saying that a majority of Ukrainians supports this freakshow though.

    Not a perfect comparison , but maybe evangelic Christians is a bigger political lobby than actual Jewish Americans in the US for pro-Israeli policy- you could say that with the certain people from the Russian areas carrying out the duties of the parasitic Galician inbreds ideology.

    My thinking is that because 404 is the biggest USSR failure after 1991, and from what I have seen in general over there - alot of it is an extreme form Post-sovietism. Not necessarily anti-sovietism ( though, cosmetically, there is plenty of that), but the worst of the post-Sovietism in the 1990's, causing all type of societal and economic problems - but fused now with modern information technologies, and modern life and technology in general . The very OTT individualism correction in the 1990's against perceived Soviet anti-individualism across all ex USSR - for 404 is now fueled into this millenium by US funded Khokholism...... and is partially responsible for creating the disaster in 404 now. You would expect family, religion, culture etc to be massively repressed/betrayed as it is now, in these circumstances

    BTW - you did notice with both these Polish and "Ukrainian" failure retards - I can't think of a single Pole who was a success from the 2 other empires they were cuckholded in (Austrian and Prussian), but in Russian there was plenty. Same thing for Banderetards - maybe there is something indirectly in that explaining the ukronazis all speaking Russian not mova!

    Replies: @AP

  305. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.

    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.

    Could even be his first White woman.

    HOT SHOWER

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayr-46BkKHI

    Replies: @Derer, @Gerard1234

    You are getting berserk…seek help.

  306. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here?
     
    Personally, I don’t see any damage, so there is nothing to control. I would not shed any tears for the moron who had single digit support in Russia (not for the lack of trying).

    There’s absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.
     
    A agree that there is nothing extraordinary in it. However, the West has promptly incriminated itself: almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion. It was exactly like Kerry saying that the US has satellite images showing what happened to MH17 in 2014 before the bodies of the victims even cooled. The US never produced those promised satellite images in ten years. Probably because they really showed what happened.

    You could perfectly support your country of birth,
     
    FYI, my country of birth does not exist: I was born in the USSR. Geographically, I was born in what now is Ukraine, in Lvov (this makes self-appointed Ukrainian patriots cringe) and lived for several years near Lvov. My birth certificate is in Ukrainian. That’s why I can speak local Ukrainian dialect: that’s the language I used while playing with other kids. I grew up in the area that was Ukrainian SSR at the time, in Lugansk, and spent several summers with my grandparents in Rovenki (a town in Lugansk region), even helped them plant and harvest potatoes on their plot several times. That’s why I speak Donabss surzhik (a weird mix of Russian and Ukrainian, with Ukrainian-style pronunciation of “g”). Even now I sometimes pronounce “g” Ukrainian, not Russian, way (Russian “g” sounds exactly like English). I read all Ukrainian literature worth reading (and some that was not worth reading). I like the sound of standard (Poltava) Ukrainian. To the best of my knowledge it is the most melodious Slavic language. That’s why, in addition to numerous other crimes it committed, I hold it against current Kiev regime that it gave Ukraine a bad name, defamed the country and Ukrainian language.

    There’s a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time
     
    There is a lot of unseemly stuff going on in every country. I know of more unseemly stuff that happened in the US in the last 20 years than in Russia (maybe because I live in the US). Just a couple of examples. One is the murder of Seth Rich. He was shot from the back at about 4 am while jogging in his track suit. The official version was (and still is) that he was a victim of an attempted robbery. Can you think of a robber targeting a person jogging in track suit? Can you think of a robber shooting his target from the back twice? If you believe the official version, you should believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster. The other is 2020 presidential “election”. The official version is that corrupt senile half-corpse won. Huge number of statistically highly improbable things happening, with all of them happening in swing states, makes the official version even less believable than Flying Spaghetti Monster. I also know unseemly stuff happening in the RF. E.g., recently Kagarlitsky was jailed for five years. I know him personally, he is a talkative piece of shit who never did anything useful in his life, but the most he deserved for his BS is a slap on the wrist.

    Replies: @Jazman, @Beckow, @Mikel

    …There is a lot of unseemly stuff going on in every country.

    That’s the interesting thing about our times. I don’t have long memory but it seems that until 2000 there was less unseemly stuff happening each year. Then it reversed. Lately it has exploded with crazy sh..t and people just shrug their shoulders.

    Assange kept in jail for over a decade for publishing embarrassing info without even being taken to court – and the collective Western media cheers it on.1,000 people in prison for demonstrating in Congress (the People’s House!) and media mumbles “they are rebels”…have these people ever seen an actual rebellion?

    The bloody wars, lying, media control, gerontocrats and obvious idiots (ok, they were there also before), voting “by mail” – what the hell is that? can people just call it in from Moldova? – as if the West is suffering from a silent hysteria. These things were in the past ridiculed and dismissed by using common sense. Now there is a 85-year old (? not sure, but he looks it) dementia patient with shifty eyes who claims to be “running the free world”…

    I watched the bizarre black lady Atlanta prosecutor with her pimp boyfriend – how is this even possible in a society with some standards? AP can go on about “PISSA” all he wants, that was a horror-show: hysterical, obviously lying shrew convinced that nothing can happen to her no matter how much she lies or steals – because she is a “victim“. But it is not her fault – it is the fault of the ones who put her there.

    For all we know Navalny froze to death out of neglect – it is February in the Arctic. Or took one too many C19 vaccines…or somebody rubbed him out. We are back to a bloody, no-rules world. I could be wrong, but my recollection is that it mostly started with endless Western missteps and aggressions. If the can’t control its crazies they take over and it spreads.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    For all we know Navalny froze to death out of neglect – it is February in the Arctic.

    Well if you read a SINGLE article on what happened you would know that he seemed fine and then collapsed while walking.

    So we know that he didn't freeze to death.

    But way to speculate and show that you keep yourself in an information bubble.

    Replies: @sudden death

  307. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Sad to say, but I think Germany would have been better off, if the wall stayed up. Probably Berlin too.

    The Cold War was a distraction, IMO. The worst enemies of the West were always internal.

    Am not sure that Reagan holds up too well in retrospect. He signed the first amnesty and now more migrants enter illegally than there are births.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Pretty hard core, but I can almost sympathize with your desire to keep the barbarians at bay. But today, the barbarians (like Professor Tennessee) find all manner of excuses to come and settle over here, make a decent living, and then shit on their adopted country. I despise hypocrites too. As for Reagan, he was one of Ireland’s greatest gifts to this country.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    As for Reagan, he was one of Ireland’s greatest gifts to this country.
     
    Don't want to say who because it would be too specific, but some very notorious American political figure had an ancestor living in the same townland* as one of my ancestors. This place was in the mountains, with only a few dozen people there.

    The records don't go back very far, so fortunately no shared names. And when you go back that far, that's a lot of ancestors anyway.

    *Smallest division with a name in Ireland. Not at all related to the word "town."

  308. @songbird
    Overhead someone listening to an amateur military analyst on YouTube the other day.

    From his accent, I believe he was Ukrainian, though am not sure where based (would presume US), and I didn't catch his name.

    But I thought it very curious how he called Trump an "enemy of Ukraine", as though he was leading an invasion into it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    But I thought it very curious how he called Trump an “enemy of Ukraine”, as though he was leading an invasion into it.

    In this day and age, one doesn’t need to lead an invasion to become an enemy of a whole group of Eastern Euros (and maybe even some Central ones) – Ribbentrop style actions such as friendly & fawning interviews with mass murderers can suffice.

    If one has decided to be isolationist, stay put and deal with your own problems, do not meddle in international politics.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    Ribbentrop style actions such as friendly & fawning interviews with mass murderers can suffice.
     
    Wow, sounds like you really abhor Tucker! (Didn't even watch the interview myself as it sounded boring.)

    You can't let these media figures get you down, IMO. I'm happier since I stopped watching the mainstream American media. And if you hate a marginal figure like Anglin, you are giving him too much headspace.

    Replies: @LatW

  309. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Sad to say, but I think Germany would have been better off, if the wall stayed up. Probably Berlin too.

    The Cold War was a distraction, IMO. The worst enemies of the West were always internal.

    Am not sure that Reagan holds up too well in retrospect. He signed the first amnesty and now more migrants enter illegally than there are births.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Reagan was contaminated at the 1980 convention when the spooks forced the spook Bush onto the ticket. He gave great speeches for the American Myth. Last great hope of freedom on earth.

    If that is the best we can do we are abundantly screwed like Joe Pesci at the drive through.

  310. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...There is a lot of unseemly stuff going on in every country.
     
    That's the interesting thing about our times. I don't have long memory but it seems that until 2000 there was less unseemly stuff happening each year. Then it reversed. Lately it has exploded with crazy sh..t and people just shrug their shoulders.

    Assange kept in jail for over a decade for publishing embarrassing info without even being taken to court - and the collective Western media cheers it on.1,000 people in prison for demonstrating in Congress (the People's House!) and media mumbles "they are rebels"...have these people ever seen an actual rebellion?

    The bloody wars, lying, media control, gerontocrats and obvious idiots (ok, they were there also before), voting "by mail" - what the hell is that? can people just call it in from Moldova? - as if the West is suffering from a silent hysteria. These things were in the past ridiculed and dismissed by using common sense. Now there is a 85-year old (? not sure, but he looks it) dementia patient with shifty eyes who claims to be "running the free world"...

    I watched the bizarre black lady Atlanta prosecutor with her pimp boyfriend - how is this even possible in a society with some standards? AP can go on about "PISSA" all he wants, that was a horror-show: hysterical, obviously lying shrew convinced that nothing can happen to her no matter how much she lies or steals - because she is a "victim". But it is not her fault - it is the fault of the ones who put her there.

    For all we know Navalny froze to death out of neglect - it is February in the Arctic. Or took one too many C19 vaccines...or somebody rubbed him out. We are back to a bloody, no-rules world. I could be wrong, but my recollection is that it mostly started with endless Western missteps and aggressions. If the can't control its crazies they take over and it spreads.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    For all we know Navalny froze to death out of neglect – it is February in the Arctic.

    Well if you read a SINGLE article on what happened you would know that he seemed fine and then collapsed while walking.

    So we know that he didn’t freeze to death.

    But way to speculate and show that you keep yourself in an information bubble.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @John Johnson


    collapsed while walking
     
    That's what the Kremlin said, but no video was released, thus Beckow (despite shilling for RF) knows perfectly you can't trust even a single letter in their utterances, so freezing to death is just as possible;)

    Replies: @LatW, @Beckow

  311. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    For all we know Navalny froze to death out of neglect – it is February in the Arctic.

    Well if you read a SINGLE article on what happened you would know that he seemed fine and then collapsed while walking.

    So we know that he didn't freeze to death.

    But way to speculate and show that you keep yourself in an information bubble.

    Replies: @sudden death

    collapsed while walking

    That’s what the Kremlin said, but no video was released, thus Beckow (despite shilling for RF) knows perfectly you can’t trust even a single letter in their utterances, so freezing to death is just as possible;)

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death

    He was apparently held in the so called SIZO for many months - "an isolation chamber", dunno how to translate it properly. A tiny solitary space with bad air quality and he was apparently woken up every few hours (sleep deprivation). Don't know if there is a way to prove the veracity of these claims either (but many political prisoners speak of this, including the far right imperialists such as Kvachkov). His appearance also didn't improve in the past year or so, to put it mildly.

    This is what you get when fighting with liberal methods, the only way to fight, for those Russians themselves who are against the regime, at this point is with the methods of the Rus Volunteer Corps - otherwise, there will simply be no results at all and they will all perish, the Kremlin is probably set to eliminate ALL opposition in the coming years, ALL anti-war sentiment, there are about 20% of the Russian population (the most normal ones) who are at grave risk now of being simply eliminated in a neo-Stalinist fashion (they are even building a neo-Gulag). And then you know what follows that - the expansion of that nightmare. Unless it is stopped.

    Apologies for the crass language, but - Границы РФ заканчиваются там, где можно получить п*зды! - Russia's borders end where they get their ass kicked.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Beckow
    @sudden death

    I shill for no one...:)

    Look at the bright side: it is now safe to have a Navalny Boulevard in Kiev...he can't say more nationalist things or claim that "Crimea is Russia".

    Replies: @LatW

  312. @sudden death
    @John Johnson


    collapsed while walking
     
    That's what the Kremlin said, but no video was released, thus Beckow (despite shilling for RF) knows perfectly you can't trust even a single letter in their utterances, so freezing to death is just as possible;)

    Replies: @LatW, @Beckow

    He was apparently held in the so called SIZO for many months – “an isolation chamber”, dunno how to translate it properly. A tiny solitary space with bad air quality and he was apparently woken up every few hours (sleep deprivation). Don’t know if there is a way to prove the veracity of these claims either (but many political prisoners speak of this, including the far right imperialists such as Kvachkov). His appearance also didn’t improve in the past year or so, to put it mildly.

    This is what you get when fighting with liberal methods, the only way to fight, for those Russians themselves who are against the regime, at this point is with the methods of the Rus Volunteer Corps – otherwise, there will simply be no results at all and they will all perish, the Kremlin is probably set to eliminate ALL opposition in the coming years, ALL anti-war sentiment, there are about 20% of the Russian population (the most normal ones) who are at grave risk now of being simply eliminated in a neo-Stalinist fashion (they are even building a neo-Gulag). And then you know what follows that – the expansion of that nightmare. Unless it is stopped.

    Apologies for the crass language, but – Границы РФ заканчиваются там, где можно получить п*зды! – Russia’s borders end where they get their ass kicked.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...His appearance also didn’t improve in the past year or so, to put it mildly.
     
    Navalny got old and it was freezing there. Assange's appearance also got much worse - he has been in prison-detention for over 10 years! And there was this beauty:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina

    Butina was in an isolation cell, served years for "unregistered foreign agent" charge - and the US media said it was really cool. What goes around, comes around...

    Look, I agree, the world is becoming a sh.tty place again. But if you can't bring yourself to point to bad things at home, or if you are ignored when you do, why should we take you seriously when you talk about a foreign national in a foreign country? Why is it ok when it happens in UK or US?

    I don't pay much attention to the Russian announcement (not enough detail) or to the immediate Western ritual finger pointing - they would denounce if he lived to 100 and died of old age. Or if his wife shot him. It is too predictable...

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

  313. @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian

    The vast majority of Ukraine residents speaks Russian. Maybe 20-25% (mostly in villages and small towns) speak standard (Poltava) Ukrainian, and maybe another 7-10% in the Western Ukraine speak local Polonized and/or Germanized dialects. Donbass and Southern Ukraine speak surzhik (which is ~70-80% Russian with Ukrainian pronunciation of “g”). Ukrainian is beautiful-sounding but woefully underdeveloped language. Of course, current Kiev regime and its partisans would never acknowledge the reality.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    "Germanized" dialects?? Hitting the Smirnoff rather early today, Professor.....

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Navalny's mother paid her son a visit just a couple of days ago,and said that he looked Okay. She is literally in shock and cannot believe that he just died.

    , @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    You go on and on about these "dialects" (you said the same about my own language - which is ridiculous), anyone who wants an answer to this question can just turn on the Ukrainian YouTube and hear for themselves how most of them speak standard Ukrainian. Many can switch from one language to another - this is not a secret. As to the Ukrainian nationalists - they speak both languages. The younger ones from the West - only Ukrainian. Some Russophone Ukrainian nationalists switched to Ukrainian after 2014. This is all very well known.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  314. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Enough with the childish posts Hack. You are a disgrace. Because you are acting like a stupid kid I am now going to inform everybody about your name, your family, what you looked like and your passport number.

    People don't realise that Mr Hack was actually famous as a child in Russia. His mother, Oksana, a strong, charismatic, highly intelligent women. She gave Mr Hack his sense of adventure,discipline, toughness. His head is literally one of the strongest on the planet - all thanks to his mother, Oksana Liberman.

    Here is Mr Hack with his mother on tv. One of the most beautiful smiles I've ever seen on a woman. She knows what is best for her child. She is courageously protecting young Mr Hack from these thugs. . She knows that these pressures when released at certain height on specific parts of the skull will form Mr Hacks brilliant brain as an adult and lead to the brilliance we read hear every week and the amazingly funny cartoons he posts. Don't bother with the parts with the blogger - and unfortunately the best parts of Oksana's advanced level parenting skills are blocked out.
    Here is Mr Hack in his youth:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ci3TV4b7E

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    My mother could kick Putler’s ass on her worst day! 🙂

  315. @AnonfromTN
    @Jazman


    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian
     
    The vast majority of Ukraine residents speaks Russian. Maybe 20-25% (mostly in villages and small towns) speak standard (Poltava) Ukrainian, and maybe another 7-10% in the Western Ukraine speak local Polonized and/or Germanized dialects. Donbass and Southern Ukraine speak surzhik (which is ~70-80% Russian with Ukrainian pronunciation of “g”). Ukrainian is beautiful-sounding but woefully underdeveloped language. Of course, current Kiev regime and its partisans would never acknowledge the reality.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    “Germanized” dialects?? Hitting the Smirnoff rather early today, Professor…..

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    “Germanized” dialects?? Hitting the Smirnoff rather early today, Professor…..
     
    Typical comment of clueless diaspora Ukrainian who never lived in the area (possibly visited only large city like Lvov, if at all).

    Here is one example from a person who actually lived near Lvov (not in Lvov) until the age of ~3.5: “Пiшов на шпацiр” (sounds “pishov na shpazir”, means “went for a walk”, compare German “spazieren” (sounds shpaziren) – to walk). You don’t have to advertise your cluelessness, it is obvious enough.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    You may not know this (like you did not know that Kotliarevsky wrote Eneida in Ukrainian in 1798, i.e., 16 years before Shevchenko was even born), but Western Ukrainian writer Vasyl Stefanyk (BTW, a pretty good writer) wrote in one of the Western Ukrainian dialects and was a member of the Austrian parliament from 1908 to 1918. I know that the less you know, the more likely you are to be pro-Ukie, but the ignorance must have limits.

  316. @AnonfromTN
    @Jazman


    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian
     
    The vast majority of Ukraine residents speaks Russian. Maybe 20-25% (mostly in villages and small towns) speak standard (Poltava) Ukrainian, and maybe another 7-10% in the Western Ukraine speak local Polonized and/or Germanized dialects. Donbass and Southern Ukraine speak surzhik (which is ~70-80% Russian with Ukrainian pronunciation of “g”). Ukrainian is beautiful-sounding but woefully underdeveloped language. Of course, current Kiev regime and its partisans would never acknowledge the reality.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    Navalny’s mother paid her son a visit just a couple of days ago,and said that he looked Okay. She is literally in shock and cannot believe that he just died.

  317. @AnonfromTN
    @Jazman


    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian
     
    The vast majority of Ukraine residents speaks Russian. Maybe 20-25% (mostly in villages and small towns) speak standard (Poltava) Ukrainian, and maybe another 7-10% in the Western Ukraine speak local Polonized and/or Germanized dialects. Donbass and Southern Ukraine speak surzhik (which is ~70-80% Russian with Ukrainian pronunciation of “g”). Ukrainian is beautiful-sounding but woefully underdeveloped language. Of course, current Kiev regime and its partisans would never acknowledge the reality.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    You go on and on about these “dialects” (you said the same about my own language – which is ridiculous), anyone who wants an answer to this question can just turn on the Ukrainian YouTube and hear for themselves how most of them speak standard Ukrainian. Many can switch from one language to another – this is not a secret. As to the Ukrainian nationalists – they speak both languages. The younger ones from the West – only Ukrainian. Some Russophone Ukrainian nationalists switched to Ukrainian after 2014. This is all very well known.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW

    See #326 and #328. I know that facts never convince a true believer, but maybe you are a sensible human, at least to some extent.

    Replies: @LatW

  318. The overthrow of Putin is not a sensible objective for the West to pursue, whether by bringing Ukraine into the West, supporting Navalny, or inflicting defeat on Russia in Ukraine. I think it would be much better to stop talking about Putin. He takes note of the gloating predictions that he will be toppled and Russia will then break up. He is coming to see what he originally dubbed a Special Military Operation as the FAB (final existential battle–to be won by any means necessary).

  319. @LatW
    @sudden death

    He was apparently held in the so called SIZO for many months - "an isolation chamber", dunno how to translate it properly. A tiny solitary space with bad air quality and he was apparently woken up every few hours (sleep deprivation). Don't know if there is a way to prove the veracity of these claims either (but many political prisoners speak of this, including the far right imperialists such as Kvachkov). His appearance also didn't improve in the past year or so, to put it mildly.

    This is what you get when fighting with liberal methods, the only way to fight, for those Russians themselves who are against the regime, at this point is with the methods of the Rus Volunteer Corps - otherwise, there will simply be no results at all and they will all perish, the Kremlin is probably set to eliminate ALL opposition in the coming years, ALL anti-war sentiment, there are about 20% of the Russian population (the most normal ones) who are at grave risk now of being simply eliminated in a neo-Stalinist fashion (they are even building a neo-Gulag). And then you know what follows that - the expansion of that nightmare. Unless it is stopped.

    Apologies for the crass language, but - Границы РФ заканчиваются там, где можно получить п*зды! - Russia's borders end where they get their ass kicked.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …His appearance also didn’t improve in the past year or so, to put it mildly.

    Navalny got old and it was freezing there. Assange’s appearance also got much worse – he has been in prison-detention for over 10 years! And there was this beauty:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina

    Butina was in an isolation cell, served years for “unregistered foreign agent” charge – and the US media said it was really cool. What goes around, comes around…

    Look, I agree, the world is becoming a sh.tty place again. But if you can’t bring yourself to point to bad things at home, or if you are ignored when you do, why should we take you seriously when you talk about a foreign national in a foreign country? Why is it ok when it happens in UK or US?

    I don’t pay much attention to the Russian announcement (not enough detail) or to the immediate Western ritual finger pointing – they would denounce if he lived to 100 and died of old age. Or if his wife shot him. It is too predictable…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Navalny got old
     
    It's just partly that, he actually used to visit in my home town with his wife, and he used to look somewhat better groomed / healthy than the average Russian male (in that age group). So with the kind of lifestyle he had before his incarceration, if that lifestyle had been maintained, he would look ok for a mature guy. His look really just changed significantly only recently - the last couple of years, when he lost a lot of weight.

    and it was freezing there.
     

    Yes, that it is cold already in the prisons that are not in the Arctic, that is a very common complaint from political prisoners - that it is cold in the cell and that there is not enough air. This has been prevalent for a long, long time now. This is a complaint from all political prisoners, not just the pro-Western ones. And it should've been the responsibility of the prison administration to make sure there are adequate temperatures there and enough time for the inmates to get fresh air.

    You bring up Butina but she was a spy in a foreign country - Navalny was a political prisoner in his own country (and I never said the US jails are in good shape, obviously no, if inmates get assaulted).


    But if you can’t bring yourself to point to bad things at home, or if you are ignored when you do, why should we take you seriously when you talk about a foreign national in a foreign country? Why is it ok when it happens in UK or US?
     
    Well, first of all, the UK prisons are not as bad as the Russian ones. Also, we always have a right to speak up for universal values - RusFed, too, has spoken up a lot and complained about other countries (all the while not always having a good human rights track record themselves). But, yea, if we're not going to have universal values, going forward, then we really should just care only about our own people / civilization. It's just that in that case we descend into the tribal level of existence as opposed to being just human.

    Some of those Russian political prisoners should've been exchanged and many of the Euro-friendly Russian nationals should have been taken out of Russia - that was never done (or done to a very small extent) and it might be too late now.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Navalny got old and it was freezing there.

    Oh give me a break.

    He was 47 and hypothermia is not only a slow death but has all kinds of symptoms.

    Even for you this kind of voluntary PR work is a new low.

    Putin didn't have the balls to debate him and then let the best man win.

    Putin is a deeply insecure man and that is how the world views him.

    A coward who is terrified of open debate. Female journalists that ask questions also seem to give him nightmares.

    Replies: @Beckow

  320. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    "Germanized" dialects?? Hitting the Smirnoff rather early today, Professor.....

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    “Germanized” dialects?? Hitting the Smirnoff rather early today, Professor…..

    Typical comment of clueless diaspora Ukrainian who never lived in the area (possibly visited only large city like Lvov, if at all).

    Here is one example from a person who actually lived near Lvov (not in Lvov) until the age of ~3.5: “Пiшов на шпацiр” (sounds “pishov na shpazir”, means “went for a walk”, compare German “spazieren” (sounds shpaziren) – to walk). You don’t have to advertise your cluelessness, it is obvious enough.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Here is one example from a person who actually lived near Lvov (not in Lvov) until the age of ~3.5: “Пiшов на шпацiр”
     
    If you left at age 3.5 and didn't come back regularly you would not have retained the language accurately.

    In this example, it would be спацер. You misremembered two letters. I have rarely heard some villagers use "sh" instead of "s" in general but don't recall it for that word.

    Other very common examples of German words used in Galicia that immediately come to mind are файно (fine) and ніц (nothing).

    Galicians also used to use the (Austrian) German greeting Servus. I don't think they use it anymore in Western Ukraine, it's only sometimes heard among the diaspora.

    But despite these words sprinkled into the language it is not that far removed from standard Ukrainian, calling it "Germanized" is a huge exaggeration. Modern Russian is probably much more Anglicized than Galician was/is Germanized.

    The language of Poltava is indeed very melodic. Galician Ukrainian is kind clipped and abrupt-sounding. In some strange way this reminds me of how Russian is spoken in the Urals, though this is less noticeable than the difference between Galician and Poltava Ukrainian.

    Maybe 20-25% (mostly in villages and small towns) speak standard (Poltava) Ukrainian, and maybe another 7-10% in the Western Ukraine speak local Polonized and/or Germanized dialects
     
    Wrong. It was around 45/55 majority Russian-speaking* before Crimea and Donbas were removed, now the majority speak Ukrainian. Most people in the west, plus around 1/3 in the rest. And people are switching to Ukrainian in order to distance themselves from a language that is no longer perceived as the language of Pushkin but the language of "orc" looters. The war may have spoiled the image of the Ukrainian language for you, as it has done the same for the image of the Russian language in Ukraine.

    *By this I mean what language is spoken preferably. I'd guess about 90% are capable of speaking Ukrainian, almost everyone is able to switch.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    A few words in German, does not constitute a dialect, Professor. :-) BTW. it's "спацір*" and not "шпацiр", if you want to be accurate.

    * спа́цір (діал.) ходіння або катання для відпочинку, розваги

    Kind of embarrassing I would imagine, to be corrected by a "clueless diasporan Ukrainian" being a native speaker. :-)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  321. @sudden death
    @John Johnson


    collapsed while walking
     
    That's what the Kremlin said, but no video was released, thus Beckow (despite shilling for RF) knows perfectly you can't trust even a single letter in their utterances, so freezing to death is just as possible;)

    Replies: @LatW, @Beckow

    I shill for no one…:)

    Look at the bright side: it is now safe to have a Navalny Boulevard in Kiev…he can’t say more nationalist things or claim that “Crimea is Russia”.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Look at the bright side: it is now safe to have a Navalny Boulevard in Kiev
     
    He is not popular with Ukrainians - he has leaned in support of Russia's conquests.

    Replies: @Sean

  322. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    "Germanized" dialects?? Hitting the Smirnoff rather early today, Professor.....

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    You may not know this (like you did not know that Kotliarevsky wrote Eneida in Ukrainian in 1798, i.e., 16 years before Shevchenko was even born), but Western Ukrainian writer Vasyl Stefanyk (BTW, a pretty good writer) wrote in one of the Western Ukrainian dialects and was a member of the Austrian parliament from 1908 to 1918. I know that the less you know, the more likely you are to be pro-Ukie, but the ignorance must have limits.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  323. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...His appearance also didn’t improve in the past year or so, to put it mildly.
     
    Navalny got old and it was freezing there. Assange's appearance also got much worse - he has been in prison-detention for over 10 years! And there was this beauty:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina

    Butina was in an isolation cell, served years for "unregistered foreign agent" charge - and the US media said it was really cool. What goes around, comes around...

    Look, I agree, the world is becoming a sh.tty place again. But if you can't bring yourself to point to bad things at home, or if you are ignored when you do, why should we take you seriously when you talk about a foreign national in a foreign country? Why is it ok when it happens in UK or US?

    I don't pay much attention to the Russian announcement (not enough detail) or to the immediate Western ritual finger pointing - they would denounce if he lived to 100 and died of old age. Or if his wife shot him. It is too predictable...

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    Navalny got old

    It’s just partly that, he actually used to visit in my home town with his wife, and he used to look somewhat better groomed / healthy than the average Russian male (in that age group). So with the kind of lifestyle he had before his incarceration, if that lifestyle had been maintained, he would look ok for a mature guy. His look really just changed significantly only recently – the last couple of years, when he lost a lot of weight.

    and it was freezing there.

    Yes, that it is cold already in the prisons that are not in the Arctic, that is a very common complaint from political prisoners – that it is cold in the cell and that there is not enough air. This has been prevalent for a long, long time now. This is a complaint from all political prisoners, not just the pro-Western ones. And it should’ve been the responsibility of the prison administration to make sure there are adequate temperatures there and enough time for the inmates to get fresh air.

    You bring up Butina but she was a spy in a foreign country – Navalny was a political prisoner in his own country (and I never said the US jails are in good shape, obviously no, if inmates get assaulted).

    But if you can’t bring yourself to point to bad things at home, or if you are ignored when you do, why should we take you seriously when you talk about a foreign national in a foreign country? Why is it ok when it happens in UK or US?

    Well, first of all, the UK prisons are not as bad as the Russian ones. Also, we always have a right to speak up for universal values – RusFed, too, has spoken up a lot and complained about other countries (all the while not always having a good human rights track record themselves). But, yea, if we’re not going to have universal values, going forward, then we really should just care only about our own people / civilization. It’s just that in that case we descend into the tribal level of existence as opposed to being just human.

    Some of those Russian political prisoners should’ve been exchanged and many of the Euro-friendly Russian nationals should have been taken out of Russia – that was never done (or done to a very small extent) and it might be too late now.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    Butina but she was a spy in a foreign country – Navalny was a political prisoner in his own country ...and I never said the US jails are in good shape
     
    You didn't read the wiki...:)...Butina was not a "spy" - she was charged with being an unregistered foreign agent and acting "illegally on behalf of the foreign country". Identical to Navalny, other than Navalny was at home. It is a distinction to ponder - Russia mostly goes after its own.

    Assange who is an Australian has been treated the same or worse by Sweden-UK-US - 10+ years in detention for publishing embarrassing docs. That's what Navalny did early in his career - the docs he published were by definition "private". IRS guy went to jail in US for leaking Trump's tax returns.

    I am against it: if you are a public figure or an oligarch your docs should be available - how else do we know how much you steal? But we must be consistent - all or none.


    ...if we’re not going to have universal values then...we descend into the tribal level of existence as opposed to being just human.
     
    I agree. But we clearly don't have universal values, the West doesn't observe what they preach, from Kosovo-Iraq-Gaza to Assange and the legal harrassment of Trump, unfree media, etc...I don't plan to live in Russia or China so why should I care? Fix it at home!

    It is back to tribalism: if you steal my cow it is bad, if I steal your cow it is good... Fine, but why the preaching? Wake up at 6 am and practice for war. But stop the dumb "we are so much better..." propaganda. It doesn't help, nobody who matters takes it seriously...

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer, @LatW

  324. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    I shill for no one...:)

    Look at the bright side: it is now safe to have a Navalny Boulevard in Kiev...he can't say more nationalist things or claim that "Crimea is Russia".

    Replies: @LatW

    Look at the bright side: it is now safe to have a Navalny Boulevard in Kiev

    He is not popular with Ukrainians – he has leaned in support of Russia’s conquests.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @LatW

    Very few Russians lean to letting Ukraine become part of the West. When Ukraine was allowed to separate from Russia while keeping Crimea it was not dreamt that Ukraine would become a Western ally.

    In an election for Moscow Mayor, Navalny did OK, but he was never that popular in Russia as a whole even back then. Of late he did a U turn to oppose the invasion of Ukraine, and his support in Russia completely collapsed.

  325. Battle of the Nations
    Kazakhstan Canada

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  326. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    You go on and on about these "dialects" (you said the same about my own language - which is ridiculous), anyone who wants an answer to this question can just turn on the Ukrainian YouTube and hear for themselves how most of them speak standard Ukrainian. Many can switch from one language to another - this is not a secret. As to the Ukrainian nationalists - they speak both languages. The younger ones from the West - only Ukrainian. Some Russophone Ukrainian nationalists switched to Ukrainian after 2014. This is all very well known.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    See #326 and #328. I know that facts never convince a true believer, but maybe you are a sensible human, at least to some extent.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Of course, I'm aware of the germanicisms in Western Ukraine (faino, etc). We have quite a few as well in Kurland. They had this even in the early Middle ages when there was contact with Germans. They simply seep into the language, without changing it all that much (for every germanicism, there are a ton of local synonyms anyway).

    And it doesn't take away from the fact that the Ukrainian language is prevalent, and just because there are some dialects doesn't mean there is no overarching standard language. Just turn on their YouTube. And it's good that the dialects are still there, they are fun.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  327. @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian

    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian – not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc…..but a majority.

    Shops or bars etc some of the workers (in the western towns ) will reply in Ukrainian if you ask them in Russian – most of the time in a friendly way, sometimes with a negative undertone to it.

    Large majority of the freaks in positions in power in 404 are ethnic Russians/Russian speakers (even the ones born in the west of the country). It sounds unusual – but it’s just Banderastan – a mental illness not a nation.

    The majority of the people, majority of the relevant people in politics, business, science, industry etc are in the “Russian” areas of 404, so in some criteria it shouldn’t surprise (though of course it does) that these are also the areas doing most of the ukronazi work. Thats totally different to saying that a majority of Ukrainians supports this freakshow though.

    Not a perfect comparison , but maybe evangelic Christians is a bigger political lobby than actual Jewish Americans in the US for pro-Israeli policy- you could say that with the certain people from the Russian areas carrying out the duties of the parasitic Galician inbreds ideology.

    My thinking is that because 404 is the biggest USSR failure after 1991, and from what I have seen in general over there – alot of it is an extreme form Post-sovietism. Not necessarily anti-sovietism ( though, cosmetically, there is plenty of that), but the worst of the post-Sovietism in the 1990’s, causing all type of societal and economic problems – but fused now with modern information technologies, and modern life and technology in general . The very OTT individualism correction in the 1990’s against perceived Soviet anti-individualism across all ex USSR – for 404 is now fueled into this millenium by US funded Khokholism…… and is partially responsible for creating the disaster in 404 now. You would expect family, religion, culture etc to be massively repressed/betrayed as it is now, in these circumstances

    BTW – you did notice with both these Polish and “Ukrainian” failure retards – I can’t think of a single Pole who was a success from the 2 other empires they were cuckholded in (Austrian and Prussian), but in Russian there was plenty. Same thing for Banderetards – maybe there is something indirectly in that explaining the ukronazis all speaking Russian not mova!

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian – not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc…..but a majority.
     
    And someone might even believe your nonsense.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  328. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    “Germanized” dialects?? Hitting the Smirnoff rather early today, Professor…..
     
    Typical comment of clueless diaspora Ukrainian who never lived in the area (possibly visited only large city like Lvov, if at all).

    Here is one example from a person who actually lived near Lvov (not in Lvov) until the age of ~3.5: “Пiшов на шпацiр” (sounds “pishov na shpazir”, means “went for a walk”, compare German “spazieren” (sounds shpaziren) – to walk). You don’t have to advertise your cluelessness, it is obvious enough.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    Here is one example from a person who actually lived near Lvov (not in Lvov) until the age of ~3.5: “Пiшов на шпацiр”

    If you left at age 3.5 and didn’t come back regularly you would not have retained the language accurately.

    In this example, it would be спацер. You misremembered two letters. I have rarely heard some villagers use “sh” instead of “s” in general but don’t recall it for that word.

    Other very common examples of German words used in Galicia that immediately come to mind are файно (fine) and ніц (nothing).

    Galicians also used to use the (Austrian) German greeting Servus. I don’t think they use it anymore in Western Ukraine, it’s only sometimes heard among the diaspora.

    But despite these words sprinkled into the language it is not that far removed from standard Ukrainian, calling it “Germanized” is a huge exaggeration. Modern Russian is probably much more Anglicized than Galician was/is Germanized.

    The language of Poltava is indeed very melodic. Galician Ukrainian is kind clipped and abrupt-sounding. In some strange way this reminds me of how Russian is spoken in the Urals, though this is less noticeable than the difference between Galician and Poltava Ukrainian.

    Maybe 20-25% (mostly in villages and small towns) speak standard (Poltava) Ukrainian, and maybe another 7-10% in the Western Ukraine speak local Polonized and/or Germanized dialects

    Wrong. It was around 45/55 majority Russian-speaking* before Crimea and Donbas were removed, now the majority speak Ukrainian. Most people in the west, plus around 1/3 in the rest. And people are switching to Ukrainian in order to distance themselves from a language that is no longer perceived as the language of Pushkin but the language of “orc” looters. The war may have spoiled the image of the Ukrainian language for you, as it has done the same for the image of the Russian language in Ukraine.

    *By this I mean what language is spoken preferably. I’d guess about 90% are capable of speaking Ukrainian, almost everyone is able to switch.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
  329. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    “Germanized” dialects?? Hitting the Smirnoff rather early today, Professor…..
     
    Typical comment of clueless diaspora Ukrainian who never lived in the area (possibly visited only large city like Lvov, if at all).

    Here is one example from a person who actually lived near Lvov (not in Lvov) until the age of ~3.5: “Пiшов на шпацiр” (sounds “pishov na shpazir”, means “went for a walk”, compare German “spazieren” (sounds shpaziren) – to walk). You don’t have to advertise your cluelessness, it is obvious enough.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    A few words in German, does not constitute a dialect, Professor. 🙂 BTW. it’s “спацір*” and not “шпацiр”, if you want to be accurate.

    * спа́цір (діал.) ходіння або катання для відпочинку, розваги

    Kind of embarrassing I would imagine, to be corrected by a “clueless diasporan Ukrainian” being a native speaker. 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    How fitting. Diaspora “Ukrainian” quotes dictionary made by other diaspore “Ukrainians”.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  330. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW

    See #326 and #328. I know that facts never convince a true believer, but maybe you are a sensible human, at least to some extent.

    Replies: @LatW

    Of course, I’m aware of the germanicisms in Western Ukraine (faino, etc). We have quite a few as well in Kurland. They had this even in the early Middle ages when there was contact with Germans. They simply seep into the language, without changing it all that much (for every germanicism, there are a ton of local synonyms anyway).

    And it doesn’t take away from the fact that the Ukrainian language is prevalent, and just because there are some dialects doesn’t mean there is no overarching standard language. Just turn on their YouTube. And it’s good that the dialects are still there, they are fun.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Just turn on their YouTube.
     
    If you believe YouTube, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Wiki, CNN, NYT, WaPo, and other sources of their ilk, you are beyond help. Sorry.

    Replies: @LatW

  331. @Gerard1234
    @Jazman


    What I found amazing even hard core Ukie Nazis speak Russian not Ukrainian
     
    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian - not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc.....but a majority.

    Shops or bars etc some of the workers (in the western towns ) will reply in Ukrainian if you ask them in Russian - most of the time in a friendly way, sometimes with a negative undertone to it.

    Large majority of the freaks in positions in power in 404 are ethnic Russians/Russian speakers (even the ones born in the west of the country). It sounds unusual - but it's just Banderastan - a mental illness not a nation.

    The majority of the people, majority of the relevant people in politics, business, science, industry etc are in the "Russian" areas of 404, so in some criteria it shouldn't surprise (though of course it does) that these are also the areas doing most of the ukronazi work. Thats totally different to saying that a majority of Ukrainians supports this freakshow though.

    Not a perfect comparison , but maybe evangelic Christians is a bigger political lobby than actual Jewish Americans in the US for pro-Israeli policy- you could say that with the certain people from the Russian areas carrying out the duties of the parasitic Galician inbreds ideology.

    My thinking is that because 404 is the biggest USSR failure after 1991, and from what I have seen in general over there - alot of it is an extreme form Post-sovietism. Not necessarily anti-sovietism ( though, cosmetically, there is plenty of that), but the worst of the post-Sovietism in the 1990's, causing all type of societal and economic problems - but fused now with modern information technologies, and modern life and technology in general . The very OTT individualism correction in the 1990's against perceived Soviet anti-individualism across all ex USSR - for 404 is now fueled into this millenium by US funded Khokholism...... and is partially responsible for creating the disaster in 404 now. You would expect family, religion, culture etc to be massively repressed/betrayed as it is now, in these circumstances

    BTW - you did notice with both these Polish and "Ukrainian" failure retards - I can't think of a single Pole who was a success from the 2 other empires they were cuckholded in (Austrian and Prussian), but in Russian there was plenty. Same thing for Banderetards - maybe there is something indirectly in that explaining the ukronazis all speaking Russian not mova!

    Replies: @AP

    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian – not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc…..but a majority.

    And someone might even believe your nonsense.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    And someone might even believe your nonsense.
     
    In Lvov you could hear Ukrainian spoken in the street, in Uzhgorod most people spoke local version of Ukrainian, in Donbass, Crimea, Odessa, or Kharkov – never. In Kiev it was considered bad form, like farting in church. My info is from ~10-15 years ago: I won’t go to Ukraine until all banderites either run away to their masters (like they ran away with Nazis during WWII) or hang on lampposts.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    And someone might even believe your nonsense.
     
    Just to make it obvious to everyone here , you have myself - someone who has visited western Ukraine several times for decades, speaks Russian and mova..........and then you this wacko, AP - someone who has never been to western Ukraine, can't speak Ukrainian (proven on abnormal amount of times) and certainly can't speak Russian, can't develop these non-language skills to communicate with any Ukrainian who has travelled to USA since the SMO- even if the US government would sponsor him to host these people(!!!) .....and in this farce , this severely disturbed freakshow who can't do these things is trying to argue about my own anecdotal experiences where this retard was not there!

    I suppose the mental state of this f**khead is similar to that of a killer (paedophile killer in the case of this freak) going back to the scene of their crime. That's how these sociopaths operate.
    Facts are uncomfortable to some people.........they are even more uncomfortable to wakjobs

    For business in Lvov - Russian is absolutely essential in many aspects. For those working in the tourism - Russian absolutely essential. Around the University's and the whole student areas - Russian is very, very noticeable. You would have to be deaf to not notice the prevalence of Russian in places like Lutsk, Lvov and Ivano-Frankovsk.

    One of the more notorius Ukronazi excrement has said the same thing ( and several others). The amusing thing is that if you accept that the usual BS and contradictions of the ukronazis are for once, true......then this trend is likely to continue.

    https://www.facebook.com/AntinMykharskyi/posts/1111011112621088?ref=embed_post

    AnonFromTN - you can translate for this failed piece of human garbage if you want to - because he sure as f**k can't.

    On a separate issue, "Ukrainian" on the internet is also extremely low compared to what would be expected. The "Ukrainian conversion" of most of the khokhol patriots on the internet lasted about 2 seconds.

    Replies: @AP

  332. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Look at the bright side: it is now safe to have a Navalny Boulevard in Kiev
     
    He is not popular with Ukrainians - he has leaned in support of Russia's conquests.

    Replies: @Sean

    Very few Russians lean to letting Ukraine become part of the West. When Ukraine was allowed to separate from Russia while keeping Crimea it was not dreamt that Ukraine would become a Western ally.

    In an election for Moscow Mayor, Navalny did OK, but he was never that popular in Russia as a whole even back then. Of late he did a U turn to oppose the invasion of Ukraine, and his support in Russia completely collapsed.

  333. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Of course, I'm aware of the germanicisms in Western Ukraine (faino, etc). We have quite a few as well in Kurland. They had this even in the early Middle ages when there was contact with Germans. They simply seep into the language, without changing it all that much (for every germanicism, there are a ton of local synonyms anyway).

    And it doesn't take away from the fact that the Ukrainian language is prevalent, and just because there are some dialects doesn't mean there is no overarching standard language. Just turn on their YouTube. And it's good that the dialects are still there, they are fun.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Just turn on their YouTube.

    If you believe YouTube, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Wiki, CNN, NYT, WaPo, and other sources of their ilk, you are beyond help. Sorry.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    I meant their original programming in Ukraine (it's all aired on YouTube in parallel to the original) - they do switch from Ukrainian to Russian and vice versa very easily, but a large bulk of them speak Ukrainian now.

  334. Our former host wrote a generally excellent comment on Navalny’s death:

    What does Putin gain from this?

    I don’t know – ask him! What does he gain from insisting a Russian Koran burner be tried in Chechnya? What does he gain from insisting on week long quarantines on people who want to meet with him? Why are you posing questions to a monke and expecting rational answers?

    My guess is, much like how he felt after ordering the downing of the Prigozhin aircraft (murdering a civilian stewardess and two pilots in the process). Like a big important capo wielding the power of life and death over his subjects.

    The more germane question is what Russia gains from this but it also happens to be an irrelevant one, all Russian politics revolves around the random whims of a deranged boomer.

    Navalny was ill and died from natural causes

    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero. Putin has a record of trying to kill Navalny through poisoning; he was moved to an ultra-remote prison colony the month before; and the idea it would happen exactly one month before Putin’s reelection (given his liking for symbolic dates) all strain the limits of credibility on the assumption that Putin didn’t order or okay the operation.

    Even on the off chance it really was from natural causes, he is culpable for creating the conditions in which Navalny’s health deteriorated to this point, without medical intervention.

    It was a CIA operation to discredit Putin and make him into a martyr.

    Allow for a moment that this is true. What does it say, then, that Putin, who has ruled Russia for nearly a quarter of a century, has created such a dysfunctional and penetrated state that foreign agents are free to run amok and whack his enemies (to make him look bad) even in the most remote Arctic penal colony? Even as Russia is engaged in an “existential war” against the countries of those agents in Ukraine? How does this bizarro theory even make Putin look good? Why would you support such a loser?

    But what about Gonzalo Lira?

    Gonzalo Lira was older, fatter, allegedly suffering from a terminal disease, and in jail on charges that most any country would prosecute. Even so, I said that letting this happen was an extremely bad idea on Ukraine’s part – the correct play was deportation

    [MORE]

    But what about Snowden? Assange? Ashli Babbitt?

    All irrelevant whataboutisms. I have consistently opposed and condemned US regime harassment of Assange and Snowden. However, neither were murdered, and it’s extremely improbable that this will ever change. Moreover, one of them is a foreigner (which makes US actions all the more illegitimate, but even so), while the other is, though a moral paragon, a traitor in the narrow legal term of the word. Navalny was a Russian citizen (not a foreigner) whose treason amounted to making the Putin clique look bad and corrupt.

    Many if not all countries would shoot protesters trying to storm their parliament; Russia would certainly be one of them.

    Navalny was a Nazi and a racist ethnonationalist.

    He abandoned fash-adjacent views more than a decade ago. It’s not reasonable to project them to today’s persona, and after his poisoning – let alone his murder – in distinctly bad taste.

    In any case, even if he was still all that, what substantive difference to the legality or lack thereof of murdering him does that make?

    Hail Putler for whacking an American agent and traitor!

    The only Z argument I respect. These people are, all else aside, at least honest.

    Amusingly enough, the only other major class of ideologues who are celebrating are NAFO and Ukrainian nationalists, who are still butthurt over Navalny’s insistence several years ago that Crimeans are not a “sandwich” to be traded back and forth. (As I pointed out, it’s indicative in the sense that this is exactly how they see Crimeans and Donbassers).

    Good company both of whom strongly deserve each other.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AP

    Gonzalo Lira was older, fatter, allegedly suffering from a terminal disease, and in jail on charges that most any country would prosecute.

    Gonazlo was also a chain smoker who could not do an interview without smoking.

    You can see his chain habit in his videos. Chain smokers light up without thinking about it or even looking at the cigarette.

    Chain smoking poses all kinds of major health risks before 50. You're not giving your lungs a break. 2 packs a day is a slow form of suicide.

    , @Derer
    @AP


    Putin has a record of trying to kill Navalny through poisoning;
     
    Hogwash as usual. Deranged Navalny staged his poisoning. Only simpleminded would believe that Putin poisoned him and then let him fly to Germany for diagnosis, how dimwitted can you be.

    Navalny was not an "opposition leader" (2% support), he was kicked out from some parties and was never elected to parliament. In comparison to Putin he was in division 4.

    Biden ignoramus response to Navalny death "we have to send Ukraine more money", just indicates how pathetic these Russia haters are. They would grab onto even razor-blade to save their macho image.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    You do realise he was released from Russia into Germany you dumb shithead?

    You do realise that he then willingly came back to be arrested and imprisoned?

    Does even a bimbo fantasist as yourself realise that, clearly, and to the annoyance of many - they actually refused to jail him for years, even as the (blatant) crimes were accumulating - giving Navalny suspended sentences.



    has created such a dysfunctional and penetrated state that foreign agents are free to run amok and whack his enemies (to make him look bad)
     
    LOL - the lies about Skripal, Litvinenko, some british homo in a bag, possibly Berezovsky, Lisin in the US, the Chechen terrorist in Germany..........but as these high profile murders under strict Anglo-American-German intelligence surveillance/protection are done- Putin is "incompetent" for a clown that the Russian state has repeatedly refused to jail - but tried to exile out of the country!

    Epstein????

    Replies: @AP

  335. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian – not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc…..but a majority.
     
    And someone might even believe your nonsense.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    And someone might even believe your nonsense.

    In Lvov you could hear Ukrainian spoken in the street, in Uzhgorod most people spoke local version of Ukrainian, in Donbass, Crimea, Odessa, or Kharkov – never. In Kiev it was considered bad form, like farting in church. My info is from ~10-15 years ago: I won’t go to Ukraine until all banderites either run away to their masters (like they ran away with Nazis during WWII) or hang on lampposts.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    In Lvov you could hear Ukrainian spoken in the street, in Uzhgorod most people spoke local version of Ukrainian, in Donbass, Crimea, Odessa, or Kharkov – never.
     
    He was saying that the majority in Lviv spoke Russian and 99% in Kiev spoke Russian. Total nonsense. In reality - Kiev was about 15% Ukrainian-speaking, and Lviv was the reverse Russian-speaking.

    In Kiev it was considered bad form, like farting in church.
     
    By whom? This was true in Soviet times because Russian was urban and cool, but certainly not 10 years ago.
    , @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch? Do you remember was it feeling like the city was going upwards or downwards?

    In the 1970s, this city had many successful factories and research institutes. In the 1990s, much of their industry had collapsed. It's now viewed like a post-industrial hub of politics and shiny streets instead of factories.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

  336. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...His appearance also didn’t improve in the past year or so, to put it mildly.
     
    Navalny got old and it was freezing there. Assange's appearance also got much worse - he has been in prison-detention for over 10 years! And there was this beauty:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina

    Butina was in an isolation cell, served years for "unregistered foreign agent" charge - and the US media said it was really cool. What goes around, comes around...

    Look, I agree, the world is becoming a sh.tty place again. But if you can't bring yourself to point to bad things at home, or if you are ignored when you do, why should we take you seriously when you talk about a foreign national in a foreign country? Why is it ok when it happens in UK or US?

    I don't pay much attention to the Russian announcement (not enough detail) or to the immediate Western ritual finger pointing - they would denounce if he lived to 100 and died of old age. Or if his wife shot him. It is too predictable...

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    Navalny got old and it was freezing there.

    Oh give me a break.

    He was 47 and hypothermia is not only a slow death but has all kinds of symptoms.

    Even for you this kind of voluntary PR work is a new low.

    Putin didn’t have the balls to debate him and then let the best man win.

    Putin is a deeply insecure man and that is how the world views him.

    A coward who is terrified of open debate. Female journalists that ask questions also seem to give him nightmares.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    Biden doesn't have the balls to debate Trump...or anyone for that matter. Why do you always worry about bad stuff in far away countries but ignore it at home?

    Navalny run for mayor in Moscow and lost with 27%...in one place were Western liberals are numerous. He was no opposition in Russia a whole, he was polling in single digits. Commies or nationalists are four times more popular. You just made up an "opposition leader" to your liking. Can we call Robert Kennedy the main opposition in US? Kennedy is a lot more popular than Navalny ever was - has Biden ever debated him?

    Your issue is the complete lack of standards, you have willingness to play fair, to use same rules for all and everywhere. A sad place to be: unsatisfying and it ultimately doesn't work. Try to apply the same rules and drop the advocacy - you may feel better...

    Replies: @John Johnson

  337. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Pretty hard core, but I can almost sympathize with your desire to keep the barbarians at bay. But today, the barbarians (like Professor Tennessee) find all manner of excuses to come and settle over here, make a decent living, and then shit on their adopted country. I despise hypocrites too. As for Reagan, he was one of Ireland's greatest gifts to this country.

    Replies: @songbird

    As for Reagan, he was one of Ireland’s greatest gifts to this country.

    Don’t want to say who because it would be too specific, but some very notorious American political figure had an ancestor living in the same townland* as one of my ancestors. This place was in the mountains, with only a few dozen people there.

    The records don’t go back very far, so fortunately no shared names. And when you go back that far, that’s a lot of ancestors anyway.

    *Smallest division with a name in Ireland. Not at all related to the word “town.”

  338. @AP
    Our former host wrote a generally excellent comment on Navalny's death:

    What does Putin gain from this?

    I don't know - ask him! What does he gain from insisting a Russian Koran burner be tried in Chechnya? What does he gain from insisting on week long quarantines on people who want to meet with him? Why are you posing questions to a monke and expecting rational answers?

    My guess is, much like how he felt after ordering the downing of the Prigozhin aircraft (murdering a civilian stewardess and two pilots in the process). Like a big important capo wielding the power of life and death over his subjects.

    The more germane question is what Russia gains from this but it also happens to be an irrelevant one, all Russian politics revolves around the random whims of a deranged boomer.

    Navalny was ill and died from natural causes

    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero. Putin has a record of trying to kill Navalny through poisoning; he was moved to an ultra-remote prison colony the month before; and the idea it would happen exactly one month before Putin's reelection (given his liking for symbolic dates) all strain the limits of credibility on the assumption that Putin didn't order or okay the operation.

    Even on the off chance it really was from natural causes, he is culpable for creating the conditions in which Navalny's health deteriorated to this point, without medical intervention.

    It was a CIA operation to discredit Putin and make him into a martyr.

    Allow for a moment that this is true. What does it say, then, that Putin, who has ruled Russia for nearly a quarter of a century, has created such a dysfunctional and penetrated state that foreign agents are free to run amok and whack his enemies (to make him look bad) even in the most remote Arctic penal colony? Even as Russia is engaged in an "existential war" against the countries of those agents in Ukraine? How does this bizarro theory even make Putin look good? Why would you support such a loser?

    But what about Gonzalo Lira?

    Gonzalo Lira was older, fatter, allegedly suffering from a terminal disease, and in jail on charges that most any country would prosecute. Even so, I said that letting this happen was an extremely bad idea on Ukraine's part - the correct play was deportation

    But what about Snowden? Assange? Ashli Babbitt?

    All irrelevant whataboutisms. I have consistently opposed and condemned US regime harassment of Assange and Snowden. However, neither were murdered, and it's extremely improbable that this will ever change. Moreover, one of them is a foreigner (which makes US actions all the more illegitimate, but even so), while the other is, though a moral paragon, a traitor in the narrow legal term of the word. Navalny was a Russian citizen (not a foreigner) whose treason amounted to making the Putin clique look bad and corrupt.

    Many if not all countries would shoot protesters trying to storm their parliament; Russia would certainly be one of them.

    Navalny was a Nazi and a racist ethnonationalist.

    He abandoned fash-adjacent views more than a decade ago. It's not reasonable to project them to today's persona, and after his poisoning - let alone his murder - in distinctly bad taste.

    In any case, even if he was still all that, what substantive difference to the legality or lack thereof of murdering him does that make?

    Hail Putler for whacking an American agent and traitor!

    The only Z argument I respect. These people are, all else aside, at least honest.

    Amusingly enough, the only other major class of ideologues who are celebrating are NAFO and Ukrainian nationalists, who are still butthurt over Navalny's insistence several years ago that Crimeans are not a "sandwich" to be traded back and forth. (As I pointed out, it's indicative in the sense that this is exactly how they see Crimeans and Donbassers).

    Good company both of whom strongly deserve each other.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Derer, @Gerard1234

    Gonzalo Lira was older, fatter, allegedly suffering from a terminal disease, and in jail on charges that most any country would prosecute.

    Gonazlo was also a chain smoker who could not do an interview without smoking.

    You can see his chain habit in his videos. Chain smokers light up without thinking about it or even looking at the cigarette.

    Chain smoking poses all kinds of major health risks before 50. You’re not giving your lungs a break. 2 packs a day is a slow form of suicide.

  339. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Just turn on their YouTube.
     
    If you believe YouTube, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Wiki, CNN, NYT, WaPo, and other sources of their ilk, you are beyond help. Sorry.

    Replies: @LatW

    I meant their original programming in Ukraine (it’s all aired on YouTube in parallel to the original) – they do switch from Ukrainian to Russian and vice versa very easily, but a large bulk of them speak Ukrainian now.

  340. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Navalny got old
     
    It's just partly that, he actually used to visit in my home town with his wife, and he used to look somewhat better groomed / healthy than the average Russian male (in that age group). So with the kind of lifestyle he had before his incarceration, if that lifestyle had been maintained, he would look ok for a mature guy. His look really just changed significantly only recently - the last couple of years, when he lost a lot of weight.

    and it was freezing there.
     

    Yes, that it is cold already in the prisons that are not in the Arctic, that is a very common complaint from political prisoners - that it is cold in the cell and that there is not enough air. This has been prevalent for a long, long time now. This is a complaint from all political prisoners, not just the pro-Western ones. And it should've been the responsibility of the prison administration to make sure there are adequate temperatures there and enough time for the inmates to get fresh air.

    You bring up Butina but she was a spy in a foreign country - Navalny was a political prisoner in his own country (and I never said the US jails are in good shape, obviously no, if inmates get assaulted).


    But if you can’t bring yourself to point to bad things at home, or if you are ignored when you do, why should we take you seriously when you talk about a foreign national in a foreign country? Why is it ok when it happens in UK or US?
     
    Well, first of all, the UK prisons are not as bad as the Russian ones. Also, we always have a right to speak up for universal values - RusFed, too, has spoken up a lot and complained about other countries (all the while not always having a good human rights track record themselves). But, yea, if we're not going to have universal values, going forward, then we really should just care only about our own people / civilization. It's just that in that case we descend into the tribal level of existence as opposed to being just human.

    Some of those Russian political prisoners should've been exchanged and many of the Euro-friendly Russian nationals should have been taken out of Russia - that was never done (or done to a very small extent) and it might be too late now.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Butina but she was a spy in a foreign country – Navalny was a political prisoner in his own country …and I never said the US jails are in good shape

    You didn’t read the wiki…:)…Butina was not a “spy” – she was charged with being an unregistered foreign agent and acting “illegally on behalf of the foreign country“. Identical to Navalny, other than Navalny was at home. It is a distinction to ponder – Russia mostly goes after its own.

    Assange who is an Australian has been treated the same or worse by Sweden-UK-US – 10+ years in detention for publishing embarrassing docs. That’s what Navalny did early in his career – the docs he published were by definition “private”. IRS guy went to jail in US for leaking Trump’s tax returns.

    I am against it: if you are a public figure or an oligarch your docs should be available – how else do we know how much you steal? But we must be consistent – all or none.

    …if we’re not going to have universal values then…we descend into the tribal level of existence as opposed to being just human.

    I agree. But we clearly don’t have universal values, the West doesn’t observe what they preach, from Kosovo-Iraq-Gaza to Assange and the legal harrassment of Trump, unfree media, etc…I don’t plan to live in Russia or China so why should I care? Fix it at home!

    It is back to tribalism: if you steal my cow it is bad, if I steal your cow it is good… Fine, but why the preaching? Wake up at 6 am and practice for war. But stop the dumb “we are so much better…” propaganda. It doesn’t help, nobody who matters takes it seriously…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Identical to Navalny, other than Navalny was at home.
     
    Not identical, because when you're a "foreign agent" you have deliberately made a choice to take a risk through illegal activity in a foreign jurisdiction with the aim to work against the interests of that society. Whereas Navalny simply spoke up against the ruling class in RusFed, he had a right to pursue this legally on his own soil, as a service to that fraction of his people that agreed with his activities (and as a service to others outside of Russia who cared).

    I don’t plan to live in Russia or China so why should I care?
     

    You don't care, ok, just an FYI - this is not about you. There are others out there who do care (or at least did care before the invasion, people such as myself who are plenty in Eastern Europe and across the former USSR). There are people still trapped in Russia who we do care about - who share our values (at least, for the Baltic people, probably not people like yourself). This is not the majority of the Russian population, but a certain percentage who deserve to be free.

    But, no, there will not be massive demos numbering in hundreds of thousands, and all the rest of the political prisoners, those with known names, and those with unknown... are at risk now. And only the likes of the Freedom of Russia Legion can avenge Navalny, but it remains to be seen if they will...

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Derer
    @Beckow


    But stop the dumb “we are so much better…” propaganda.
     
    Exactly, bragging is what is left. The world is not fooled anymore...they have no more places to station their mediocre military which could not defeat half Vietnam or Afghanistan.
    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    It is a distinction to ponder – Russia mostly goes after its own.
     
    Just wanted to add here - no, Russia goes after its own but not just its own - as a result of the RusFed invasion it's possible that already a half a million people may have been killed - many of these are not Russians. Over the years, RusFed has killed Chechens, Syrians, others and now - Ukrainians in massive numbers.

    As to why go "after one's own" - the type of authoritarian or rather totalitarian government that has mutated into existence over centuries there, has a functional need to devour its own continuously. Mass repressions give a direction to the totalitarian system. They can repress tens of thousands of people - with the aim to wipe out their enemies within that number of people, regardless if they have to wipe out innocents along the way, they will still catch those who are dangerous for the regime. This is a functional characteristic for that kind of a system. If this doesn't stop, it can go further - capital punishment, executions...
  341. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Why do you feel the need to do damage control here?
     
    Personally, I don’t see any damage, so there is nothing to control. I would not shed any tears for the moron who had single digit support in Russia (not for the lack of trying).

    There’s absolutely nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison days or hours before a small town in Donbas gets taken by the Russian army. In fact, there is nothing extraordinary about Navalny dying in prison at all.
     
    A agree that there is nothing extraordinary in it. However, the West has promptly incriminated itself: almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion. It was exactly like Kerry saying that the US has satellite images showing what happened to MH17 in 2014 before the bodies of the victims even cooled. The US never produced those promised satellite images in ten years. Probably because they really showed what happened.

    You could perfectly support your country of birth,
     
    FYI, my country of birth does not exist: I was born in the USSR. Geographically, I was born in what now is Ukraine, in Lvov (this makes self-appointed Ukrainian patriots cringe) and lived for several years near Lvov. My birth certificate is in Ukrainian. That’s why I can speak local Ukrainian dialect: that’s the language I used while playing with other kids. I grew up in the area that was Ukrainian SSR at the time, in Lugansk, and spent several summers with my grandparents in Rovenki (a town in Lugansk region), even helped them plant and harvest potatoes on their plot several times. That’s why I speak Donabss surzhik (a weird mix of Russian and Ukrainian, with Ukrainian-style pronunciation of “g”). Even now I sometimes pronounce “g” Ukrainian, not Russian, way (Russian “g” sounds exactly like English). I read all Ukrainian literature worth reading (and some that was not worth reading). I like the sound of standard (Poltava) Ukrainian. To the best of my knowledge it is the most melodious Slavic language. That’s why, in addition to numerous other crimes it committed, I hold it against current Kiev regime that it gave Ukraine a bad name, defamed the country and Ukrainian language.

    There’s a lot of unseemly stuff going on in Russia all the time
     
    There is a lot of unseemly stuff going on in every country. I know of more unseemly stuff that happened in the US in the last 20 years than in Russia (maybe because I live in the US). Just a couple of examples. One is the murder of Seth Rich. He was shot from the back at about 4 am while jogging in his track suit. The official version was (and still is) that he was a victim of an attempted robbery. Can you think of a robber targeting a person jogging in track suit? Can you think of a robber shooting his target from the back twice? If you believe the official version, you should believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster. The other is 2020 presidential “election”. The official version is that corrupt senile half-corpse won. Huge number of statistically highly improbable things happening, with all of them happening in swing states, makes the official version even less believable than Flying Spaghetti Monster. I also know unseemly stuff happening in the RF. E.g., recently Kagarlitsky was jailed for five years. I know him personally, he is a talkative piece of shit who never did anything useful in his life, but the most he deserved for his BS is a slap on the wrist.

    Replies: @Jazman, @Beckow, @Mikel

    almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion

    Of course they did. What did you expect? You imprison a politician that was about to die in very mysterious circumstances on trumped-up charges, he dies in prison and your enemies enjoy the gift you’ve given them. It’s the same dynamic of Ukraine hiring Cirillo and having to sack him when he posts embarrassing stuff while Zelensky is visiting the US. Stupid acts with easily predictable consequences.

    Avdeevka is not an ordinary small town in Donbass. More than half of Ukie shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, by which they murdered hundreds of civilians, was done from Mariinka and Avdeevka.

    I know that and I’m glad that the Ukies are being driven out of there, though I’m not sure how much that’s going to protect the civilians in Donetsk. We’ve given them plenty of long-range weapons to continue practicing their old tactics from further away and the Pentagon spokesman (John Kirby iirc) explicitly said that the US is not asking questions on how the Ukrainians use these weapons inside their territory.

    However, very few people in the West know anything about what the Ukrainians have done from Avdiivka. Navalny barely survived a coma a few years ago and was imprisoned in harsh conditions in the Arctic circle. His death at one point or another was not something particularly surprising, in the same way that Avdiivka falling to the Russians at some point or another was also predictable once the Kremlin decided to focus on that objective. Thinking that some fifth columnist in the Russian Arctic killed Navalny in connection with the events in Adviivka sounds very nutty.

    I’m not going to start a discussion on some other conspiratorial stuff you’ve mentioned but I do agree that there’s plenty of corruption in the West these days too, like the politically motivated trials against the presidential candidate leading the polls in the US. I haven’t seen anything like this in my lifetime but I don’t think that we’re going to solve our problems by emulating Russia at all.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...I don’t think that we’re going to solve our problems by emulating Russia at all.
     
    And Russia is not going to solve its problems by emulating the West. It has become a shouting match with no attempt to understand - we will have to ride the tiger all the way down...

    Neither Russia nor the West particularly benefits by getting rid of Navalny. He posed no risk to Russia in the Arctic and for the West he was more useful alive - now they have no familiar name. Cui bono is not helpful - the main beneficiary is Kiev: change of topic, reaffirmation of the Western support, and Navalny was a nationalist who said that Crimea belongs to Russia. People forget that early Navalny was a radical nationalist who attacked Central Asian migrants. That was his initial appeal, then he went globo-liberal.

    Given that (we have no details) it is entirely possible it was a combination of bad health and prison conditions. Or some fools with initiative helped him along. He made a fatal error when he went back to Russia from Berlin in 2021 - I have no idea how they convinced him that masses of supporters will rise up. He was no idiot, so there had to be something in it for him - he left his family in the West. Maybe he knew he was terminally ill, maybe he was blackmailed. But going back simply made no sense. Just like with the Skripals we will not get the full story. And that makes it kind of dull...

    , @Derer
    @Mikel


    You imprison a politician that was about to die in very mysterious circumstances
     
    What politician...more like criminal serving 19 years sentence. He was CIA agent and perhaps could win something in NY but not in Moscow.
  342. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Navalny got old and it was freezing there.

    Oh give me a break.

    He was 47 and hypothermia is not only a slow death but has all kinds of symptoms.

    Even for you this kind of voluntary PR work is a new low.

    Putin didn't have the balls to debate him and then let the best man win.

    Putin is a deeply insecure man and that is how the world views him.

    A coward who is terrified of open debate. Female journalists that ask questions also seem to give him nightmares.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Biden doesn’t have the balls to debate Trump…or anyone for that matter. Why do you always worry about bad stuff in far away countries but ignore it at home?

    Navalny run for mayor in Moscow and lost with 27%…in one place were Western liberals are numerous. He was no opposition in Russia a whole, he was polling in single digits. Commies or nationalists are four times more popular. You just made up an “opposition leader” to your liking. Can we call Robert Kennedy the main opposition in US? Kennedy is a lot more popular than Navalny ever was – has Biden ever debated him?

    Your issue is the complete lack of standards, you have willingness to play fair, to use same rules for all and everywhere. A sad place to be: unsatisfying and it ultimately doesn’t work. Try to apply the same rules and drop the advocacy – you may feel better…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Biden doesn’t have the balls to debate Trump…or anyone for that matter. Why do you always worry about bad stuff in far away countries but ignore it at home?

    More cheerleading projection from Beckow.

    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It's actually possible to not support Biden or Putin. Maybe in 5 or 10 years you will grasp the possibility that it's possible to oppose Biden and also a 5'1 mass murdering dictator. You don't have to grab pom-poms and pick a side.

    Navalny run for mayor in Moscow and lost with 27%

    All the more reason to not fear him.

    You just made up an “opposition leader” to your liking.

    I made up Navalny as an opposition leader? I didn't use that term so I don't know who you are quoting. How would you describe him? A man looking for solitude in Siberia?

    Can we call Robert Kennedy the main opposition in US?

    You can call him whatever you want.

    The real point is that he is free to run because this isn't a totalitarian state where an angry dwarf kills the competition.

    Another genius PR move by the dwarf.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DWsJqN4qsU

    Tries to depict himself as reasonable in the Tucker interview and then kills the opposition even though he was already imprisoned.

    Oh and Trump lost his fraud case:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-hit-with-4535-million-penalty-in-new-york-real-estate-fraud-lawsuit/ar-BB1ioIVi

    In America it isn't legal to kill the competition and it also isn't legal to add 9 floors to a building in a loan application and then claim it wasn't fraud because you paid the loan back. And we still have the documents case which is the worst one. Not looking good for Putin fans.

    Replies: @Matra, @Beckow

  343. @Beckow
    @LatW


    Butina but she was a spy in a foreign country – Navalny was a political prisoner in his own country ...and I never said the US jails are in good shape
     
    You didn't read the wiki...:)...Butina was not a "spy" - she was charged with being an unregistered foreign agent and acting "illegally on behalf of the foreign country". Identical to Navalny, other than Navalny was at home. It is a distinction to ponder - Russia mostly goes after its own.

    Assange who is an Australian has been treated the same or worse by Sweden-UK-US - 10+ years in detention for publishing embarrassing docs. That's what Navalny did early in his career - the docs he published were by definition "private". IRS guy went to jail in US for leaking Trump's tax returns.

    I am against it: if you are a public figure or an oligarch your docs should be available - how else do we know how much you steal? But we must be consistent - all or none.


    ...if we’re not going to have universal values then...we descend into the tribal level of existence as opposed to being just human.
     
    I agree. But we clearly don't have universal values, the West doesn't observe what they preach, from Kosovo-Iraq-Gaza to Assange and the legal harrassment of Trump, unfree media, etc...I don't plan to live in Russia or China so why should I care? Fix it at home!

    It is back to tribalism: if you steal my cow it is bad, if I steal your cow it is good... Fine, but why the preaching? Wake up at 6 am and practice for war. But stop the dumb "we are so much better..." propaganda. It doesn't help, nobody who matters takes it seriously...

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer, @LatW

    Identical to Navalny, other than Navalny was at home.

    Not identical, because when you’re a “foreign agent” you have deliberately made a choice to take a risk through illegal activity in a foreign jurisdiction with the aim to work against the interests of that society. Whereas Navalny simply spoke up against the ruling class in RusFed, he had a right to pursue this legally on his own soil, as a service to that fraction of his people that agreed with his activities (and as a service to others outside of Russia who cared).

    I don’t plan to live in Russia or China so why should I care?

    You don’t care, ok, just an FYI – this is not about you. There are others out there who do care (or at least did care before the invasion, people such as myself who are plenty in Eastern Europe and across the former USSR). There are people still trapped in Russia who we do care about – who share our values (at least, for the Baltic people, probably not people like yourself). This is not the majority of the Russian population, but a certain percentage who deserve to be free.

    But, no, there will not be massive demos numbering in hundreds of thousands, and all the rest of the political prisoners, those with known names, and those with unknown… are at risk now. And only the likes of the Freedom of Russia Legion can avenge Navalny, but it remains to be seen if they will…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...through illegal activity in a foreign jurisdiction
     
    Butina's illegal activity was attending NRA conferences (she was a gun nut) and dating aging loser with weakness for Russian women and guns. Nothing is identical - but the legal cases are similar. If US makes it illegal, why couldn't Russia? Navalny got money from the West and acted "on their behalf"...you need to see it dispassionately. Just look at the circus with Trump.

    ...not the majority of the Russian population, but a certain percentage who deserve to be free.
     
    That's a slippery slope. Many would like to free the "oppressed" freedom-loving people all over the West. My particular beef is with Sweden - let the poor Vikings in Malmo free, they are abused daily by the migrants and some went to jail for speaking up. And Canada - don't get me started. Can we all work for the liberation of others? How about the blacks in US? Or if you prefer - the victims of the blacks?

    It is better to mind one's business - outsiders never know enough about other societies to make them better. Temptation to use it for other goals - profit or Nato in Crimea... - is too much.


    only the likes of the Freedom of Russia Legion can avenge Navalny, but it remains to be seen if they will
     
    It also remains to be seen if Slovakia wins the Euro Cup this year. Possible? but we know it is not happening...So how many legionaries are there? I had an ancestor in WW1 Czechoslovak legion somewhere in Russia - family never figured out what he actually did, he was fuzzy on that...but he learned how to drink really well and had unexplained large sums of money...I guess revolutions can be very good... :)...Go legionaries!!!

    Replies: @LatW

  344. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    And someone might even believe your nonsense.
     
    In Lvov you could hear Ukrainian spoken in the street, in Uzhgorod most people spoke local version of Ukrainian, in Donbass, Crimea, Odessa, or Kharkov – never. In Kiev it was considered bad form, like farting in church. My info is from ~10-15 years ago: I won’t go to Ukraine until all banderites either run away to their masters (like they ran away with Nazis during WWII) or hang on lampposts.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    In Lvov you could hear Ukrainian spoken in the street, in Uzhgorod most people spoke local version of Ukrainian, in Donbass, Crimea, Odessa, or Kharkov – never.

    He was saying that the majority in Lviv spoke Russian and 99% in Kiev spoke Russian. Total nonsense. In reality – Kiev was about 15% Ukrainian-speaking, and Lviv was the reverse Russian-speaking.

    In Kiev it was considered bad form, like farting in church.

    By whom? This was true in Soviet times because Russian was urban and cool, but certainly not 10 years ago.

  345. @Beckow
    @LatW


    Butina but she was a spy in a foreign country – Navalny was a political prisoner in his own country ...and I never said the US jails are in good shape
     
    You didn't read the wiki...:)...Butina was not a "spy" - she was charged with being an unregistered foreign agent and acting "illegally on behalf of the foreign country". Identical to Navalny, other than Navalny was at home. It is a distinction to ponder - Russia mostly goes after its own.

    Assange who is an Australian has been treated the same or worse by Sweden-UK-US - 10+ years in detention for publishing embarrassing docs. That's what Navalny did early in his career - the docs he published were by definition "private". IRS guy went to jail in US for leaking Trump's tax returns.

    I am against it: if you are a public figure or an oligarch your docs should be available - how else do we know how much you steal? But we must be consistent - all or none.


    ...if we’re not going to have universal values then...we descend into the tribal level of existence as opposed to being just human.
     
    I agree. But we clearly don't have universal values, the West doesn't observe what they preach, from Kosovo-Iraq-Gaza to Assange and the legal harrassment of Trump, unfree media, etc...I don't plan to live in Russia or China so why should I care? Fix it at home!

    It is back to tribalism: if you steal my cow it is bad, if I steal your cow it is good... Fine, but why the preaching? Wake up at 6 am and practice for war. But stop the dumb "we are so much better..." propaganda. It doesn't help, nobody who matters takes it seriously...

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer, @LatW

    But stop the dumb “we are so much better…” propaganda.

    Exactly, bragging is what is left. The world is not fooled anymore…they have no more places to station their mediocre military which could not defeat half Vietnam or Afghanistan.

  346. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Algerian slave raiding was over 130 years in the past by the time that Algeria gained its independence
     
    Because the Europeans invaded and conquered the place. Then they started settling it almost right away. Oran was over 50% European in the 20th century. Instead of displacing all of those people to France, they could have stayed there and anti-French minority could have been exchanged with Pied Noir from other regions in Algeria.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Because the Europeans invaded and conquered the place.

    Didn’t slave raiding also end in various other Muslim places when they were conquered or at least severely defeated by Christians, though, such as Crimea (Crimean Khanate), Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire/Turkey (and not to mention various African places)? Apparently Turkey only abolished slavery in 1924, for instance. Should all of these places have subsequently been opened to European settler colonialism on an extraordinarily massive scale?

    Then they started settling it almost right away.

    Russia started settling Central Asia in the late 19th century.

    Oran was over 50% European in the 20th century.

    So was northern Kazakhstan, no? Should Russia have been allowed to permanently keep it?

    Instead of displacing all of those people to France, they could have stayed there and anti-French minority could have been exchanged with Pied Noir from other regions in Algeria.

    Couldn’t similar logic have been applied to northern Kazakhstan as well if a hypothetical Russian nationalist government would have conquered it back in, say, 1992 (or even in 2014 or later, for that matter)? As in, send the Kazakhs living there further to the south while sending the remaining Kazakh and other Central Asian Russians up north to help resettle northern Kazakhstan?

    Or is the difference here that Kazakhs are more civilized than Algerians are and are thus more deserving to keep all of their historical territories? But were Kazakhs as civilized before the Russians conquered them? Apparently the Kazakh Khanate enjoyed capturing and enslaving Russians back when it still existed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_Khanate

    Should Russia have been entitled to acquire and permanently keep northern Kazakhstan as compensation for the Kazakh Khanate’s past participation in the capture and slave trade of Russians? Serious question, BTW.

    Some history on this for you:

    [MORE]

    Kazakh Khanate slave trade on Russian settlement
    During the 18th century, raids by Kazakhs on Russia’s territory of Orenburg were common; the Kazakhs captured many Russians and sold them as slaves in the Central Asian market. The Volga Germans were also victims of Kazakh raids; they were ethnic Germans living along the River Volga in the region of southeastern European Russia around Saratov.

    In 1717, 3,000 Russian slaves, men, women, and children, were sold in Khiva by Kazakh and Kyrgyz tribesmen.[21]

    In 1722, they stole cattle, robbed from Russian villages and people trapped in captivity and sold in the slave markets of Central Asia (in 1722 in Bukhara were over 5,000 Russian prisoners). In the middle of the 17th century, 500 Russians were annually sold to Khiva by Kazakhs

    In 1730, the Kazakhs’ frequent raids into Russian lands were a constant irritant and resulted in the enslavement of many of the Tsar’s subjects, who were sold on the Kazakh steppe.[22]

    In 1736, urged on by Kirilov, the Kazakhs of the Lesser and Middle Hordes launched raids into Bashkir lands, killing or capturing many Bashkirs in the Siberian and Nogay districts.[23]

    In 1743, an order was given by the senate in response to the failure to defend against the Kazakh attack on a Russian settlement, which resulted in 14 Russians killed, 24 wounded. In addition, 96 Cossacks were captured by Kazakhs.[24]

    In 1755, Nepliuev tried to enlist Kazakh support by ending the reprisal raids and promising that the Kazakhs could keep the Bashkir women and children living among them (a long-standing point of contention between Nepliuev and Khan Nurali of the Junior Jüz).[25] Thousands of Bashkirs would be massacred or taken captive by Kazakhs over the course of the uprising, whether in an effort to demonstrate loyalty to the Tsarist state, or as a purely opportunistic maneuver.[26][27]

    In the period between 1764 and 1803, according to data collected by the Orenburg Commission, twenty Russian caravans were attacked and plundered. Kazakh raiders attacked even big caravans which were accompanied by numerous guards.[28]

    In spring 1774, the Russians demanded the Khan return 256 Russians captured by a recent Kazakh raid.[29]

    In summer 1774, when Russian troops in the Kazan region were suppressing the rebellion led by the Cossack leader Pugachev, the Kazakhs launched more than 240 raids and captured many Russians and herds along the border of Orenburg.[29]

    In 1799, the biggest Russian caravan which was plundered at that time lost goods worth 295,000 rubles.[30]

    By 1830, the Russian government estimated that two hundred Russians were kidnapped and sold into slavery in Khiva every year.[31]

    Russian empire slave trade on Kazakh settlement
    In 1737, Empress of Russia Anna Ioannovna issued an order that legalized slave trade in Siberia.[32]

    There were accounts of Russian Cossack raids that captured Kazakh families, which were then taken to Petropavlovsk and Omsk, where they were sold to wealthy Russian land owners into serfdom.[32]

    By the end of 18th century, the lands of Kazakh Junior Jüz (or Junior Horde) were incorporated into the Russian Empire, and raids by Kazakhs on Russian colonies has gradually declined and stopped.[30]

    On May 23, 1808, Governor Peter Kaptzevich signed an order that freed all slave or serf Kazakhs of both genders who reached the age of 25.[32]

    Abolition of slavery
    At major markets in Bukhara, Samarkand, Karakul, Karshi and Charju, slaves consisted mainly of Iranians and Russians, and some Kalmuks; they were brought there by Turkmen, Kazakh and Kyrgyz.[33] A notorious slave market for captured Russian and Persian slaves was centered in the Khanate of Khiva from the 17th to the 19th century.[34] During the first half of the 19th century alone, some one million Persians, as well as an unknown number of Russians, were enslaved and transported to Central Asian khanates.[35][36] When Russian troops took Khiva in 1873 there were 29,300 Persian slaves, captured by Turkoman raiders.[citation needed] According to Josef Wolff (Report of 1843–1845) the population of the Khanate of Bukhara was 1,200,000, of whom 200,000 were Persian slaves.[37]

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    FWIW, in real life, the European presence in northern Kazakhstan is rapidly disappearing due to gradual emigration:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/15hgpqp/ethnic_demographical_maps_of_kazakhstan_1939_and/

  347. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion
     
    Of course they did. What did you expect? You imprison a politician that was about to die in very mysterious circumstances on trumped-up charges, he dies in prison and your enemies enjoy the gift you've given them. It's the same dynamic of Ukraine hiring Cirillo and having to sack him when he posts embarrassing stuff while Zelensky is visiting the US. Stupid acts with easily predictable consequences.

    Avdeevka is not an ordinary small town in Donbass. More than half of Ukie shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, by which they murdered hundreds of civilians, was done from Mariinka and Avdeevka.
     
    I know that and I'm glad that the Ukies are being driven out of there, though I'm not sure how much that's going to protect the civilians in Donetsk. We've given them plenty of long-range weapons to continue practicing their old tactics from further away and the Pentagon spokesman (John Kirby iirc) explicitly said that the US is not asking questions on how the Ukrainians use these weapons inside their territory.

    However, very few people in the West know anything about what the Ukrainians have done from Avdiivka. Navalny barely survived a coma a few years ago and was imprisoned in harsh conditions in the Arctic circle. His death at one point or another was not something particularly surprising, in the same way that Avdiivka falling to the Russians at some point or another was also predictable once the Kremlin decided to focus on that objective. Thinking that some fifth columnist in the Russian Arctic killed Navalny in connection with the events in Adviivka sounds very nutty.

    I'm not going to start a discussion on some other conspiratorial stuff you've mentioned but I do agree that there's plenty of corruption in the West these days too, like the politically motivated trials against the presidential candidate leading the polls in the US. I haven't seen anything like this in my lifetime but I don't think that we're going to solve our problems by emulating Russia at all.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

    …I don’t think that we’re going to solve our problems by emulating Russia at all.

    And Russia is not going to solve its problems by emulating the West. It has become a shouting match with no attempt to understand – we will have to ride the tiger all the way down…

    Neither Russia nor the West particularly benefits by getting rid of Navalny. He posed no risk to Russia in the Arctic and for the West he was more useful alive – now they have no familiar name. Cui bono is not helpful – the main beneficiary is Kiev: change of topic, reaffirmation of the Western support, and Navalny was a nationalist who said that Crimea belongs to Russia. People forget that early Navalny was a radical nationalist who attacked Central Asian migrants. That was his initial appeal, then he went globo-liberal.

    Given that (we have no details) it is entirely possible it was a combination of bad health and prison conditions. Or some fools with initiative helped him along. He made a fatal error when he went back to Russia from Berlin in 2021 – I have no idea how they convinced him that masses of supporters will rise up. He was no idiot, so there had to be something in it for him – he left his family in the West. Maybe he knew he was terminally ill, maybe he was blackmailed. But going back simply made no sense. Just like with the Skripals we will not get the full story. And that makes it kind of dull…

  348. @LatW
    @songbird


    But I thought it very curious how he called Trump an “enemy of Ukraine”, as though he was leading an invasion into it.
     
    In this day and age, one doesn't need to lead an invasion to become an enemy of a whole group of Eastern Euros (and maybe even some Central ones) - Ribbentrop style actions such as friendly & fawning interviews with mass murderers can suffice.

    If one has decided to be isolationist, stay put and deal with your own problems, do not meddle in international politics.

    Replies: @songbird

    Ribbentrop style actions such as friendly & fawning interviews with mass murderers can suffice.

    Wow, sounds like you really abhor Tucker! (Didn’t even watch the interview myself as it sounded boring.)

    You can’t let these media figures get you down, IMO. I’m happier since I stopped watching the mainstream American media. And if you hate a marginal figure like Anglin, you are giving him too much headspace.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Wow, sounds like you really abhor Tucker! (Didn’t even watch the interview myself as it sounded boring.)
     
    Actually, I watched Tucker for years - even enjoyed for a while (a long time ago), I had a weakness for enjoying the so called "pessimism porn" (not proud of it because it is a rather low, irrational impulse). But then I stopped liking him after I suspected of him being a sell out (someone who is holding on to a niche merely to make money), not genuine (although he does have a few solid ideological convictions, it seems) and against the interests of the country of my origin. Also, he may not be as bright as I had imagined, even though he is talented. If he were just a marginal figure, I wouldn't care and would let it slide, but, alas, he is now one of the main figures within the Ribbentrop party. He is too high status to be ignored. And he did the interview at the worst possible time (he participated in the infowar against my people).

    Replies: @sudden death

  349. @AP
    Our former host wrote a generally excellent comment on Navalny's death:

    What does Putin gain from this?

    I don't know - ask him! What does he gain from insisting a Russian Koran burner be tried in Chechnya? What does he gain from insisting on week long quarantines on people who want to meet with him? Why are you posing questions to a monke and expecting rational answers?

    My guess is, much like how he felt after ordering the downing of the Prigozhin aircraft (murdering a civilian stewardess and two pilots in the process). Like a big important capo wielding the power of life and death over his subjects.

    The more germane question is what Russia gains from this but it also happens to be an irrelevant one, all Russian politics revolves around the random whims of a deranged boomer.

    Navalny was ill and died from natural causes

    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero. Putin has a record of trying to kill Navalny through poisoning; he was moved to an ultra-remote prison colony the month before; and the idea it would happen exactly one month before Putin's reelection (given his liking for symbolic dates) all strain the limits of credibility on the assumption that Putin didn't order or okay the operation.

    Even on the off chance it really was from natural causes, he is culpable for creating the conditions in which Navalny's health deteriorated to this point, without medical intervention.

    It was a CIA operation to discredit Putin and make him into a martyr.

    Allow for a moment that this is true. What does it say, then, that Putin, who has ruled Russia for nearly a quarter of a century, has created such a dysfunctional and penetrated state that foreign agents are free to run amok and whack his enemies (to make him look bad) even in the most remote Arctic penal colony? Even as Russia is engaged in an "existential war" against the countries of those agents in Ukraine? How does this bizarro theory even make Putin look good? Why would you support such a loser?

    But what about Gonzalo Lira?

    Gonzalo Lira was older, fatter, allegedly suffering from a terminal disease, and in jail on charges that most any country would prosecute. Even so, I said that letting this happen was an extremely bad idea on Ukraine's part - the correct play was deportation

    But what about Snowden? Assange? Ashli Babbitt?

    All irrelevant whataboutisms. I have consistently opposed and condemned US regime harassment of Assange and Snowden. However, neither were murdered, and it's extremely improbable that this will ever change. Moreover, one of them is a foreigner (which makes US actions all the more illegitimate, but even so), while the other is, though a moral paragon, a traitor in the narrow legal term of the word. Navalny was a Russian citizen (not a foreigner) whose treason amounted to making the Putin clique look bad and corrupt.

    Many if not all countries would shoot protesters trying to storm their parliament; Russia would certainly be one of them.

    Navalny was a Nazi and a racist ethnonationalist.

    He abandoned fash-adjacent views more than a decade ago. It's not reasonable to project them to today's persona, and after his poisoning - let alone his murder - in distinctly bad taste.

    In any case, even if he was still all that, what substantive difference to the legality or lack thereof of murdering him does that make?

    Hail Putler for whacking an American agent and traitor!

    The only Z argument I respect. These people are, all else aside, at least honest.

    Amusingly enough, the only other major class of ideologues who are celebrating are NAFO and Ukrainian nationalists, who are still butthurt over Navalny's insistence several years ago that Crimeans are not a "sandwich" to be traded back and forth. (As I pointed out, it's indicative in the sense that this is exactly how they see Crimeans and Donbassers).

    Good company both of whom strongly deserve each other.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Derer, @Gerard1234

    Putin has a record of trying to kill Navalny through poisoning;

    Hogwash as usual. Deranged Navalny staged his poisoning. Only simpleminded would believe that Putin poisoned him and then let him fly to Germany for diagnosis, how dimwitted can you be.

    Navalny was not an “opposition leader” (2% support), he was kicked out from some parties and was never elected to parliament. In comparison to Putin he was in division 4.

    Biden ignoramus response to Navalny death “we have to send Ukraine more money”, just indicates how pathetic these Russia haters are. They would grab onto even razor-blade to save their macho image.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Derer


    Navalny was not an “opposition leader” (2% support),
     
    The "2% support" is from polls for elections that he is not even allowed to participate in. It's hardcore supporters who, I guess, are willing to write his name in.

    His actual support while still minority is a lot higher, and in recent years has been fluctuating from 20% to 9%.
  350. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Identical to Navalny, other than Navalny was at home.
     
    Not identical, because when you're a "foreign agent" you have deliberately made a choice to take a risk through illegal activity in a foreign jurisdiction with the aim to work against the interests of that society. Whereas Navalny simply spoke up against the ruling class in RusFed, he had a right to pursue this legally on his own soil, as a service to that fraction of his people that agreed with his activities (and as a service to others outside of Russia who cared).

    I don’t plan to live in Russia or China so why should I care?
     

    You don't care, ok, just an FYI - this is not about you. There are others out there who do care (or at least did care before the invasion, people such as myself who are plenty in Eastern Europe and across the former USSR). There are people still trapped in Russia who we do care about - who share our values (at least, for the Baltic people, probably not people like yourself). This is not the majority of the Russian population, but a certain percentage who deserve to be free.

    But, no, there will not be massive demos numbering in hundreds of thousands, and all the rest of the political prisoners, those with known names, and those with unknown... are at risk now. And only the likes of the Freedom of Russia Legion can avenge Navalny, but it remains to be seen if they will...

    Replies: @Beckow

    …through illegal activity in a foreign jurisdiction

    Butina’s illegal activity was attending NRA conferences (she was a gun nut) and dating aging loser with weakness for Russian women and guns. Nothing is identical – but the legal cases are similar. If US makes it illegal, why couldn’t Russia? Navalny got money from the West and acted “on their behalf“…you need to see it dispassionately. Just look at the circus with Trump.

    …not the majority of the Russian population, but a certain percentage who deserve to be free.

    That’s a slippery slope. Many would like to free the “oppressed” freedom-loving people all over the West. My particular beef is with Sweden – let the poor Vikings in Malmo free, they are abused daily by the migrants and some went to jail for speaking up. And Canada – don’t get me started. Can we all work for the liberation of others? How about the blacks in US? Or if you prefer – the victims of the blacks?

    It is better to mind one’s business – outsiders never know enough about other societies to make them better. Temptation to use it for other goals – profit or Nato in Crimea… – is too much.

    only the likes of the Freedom of Russia Legion can avenge Navalny, but it remains to be seen if they will

    It also remains to be seen if Slovakia wins the Euro Cup this year. Possible? but we know it is not happening…So how many legionaries are there? I had an ancestor in WW1 Czechoslovak legion somewhere in Russia – family never figured out what he actually did, he was fuzzy on that…but he learned how to drink really well and had unexplained large sums of money…I guess revolutions can be very good… :)…Go legionaries!!!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    dating aging loser with weakness for Russian women and guns.
     
    So you're comparing some loser chick who dated foreign men not for love but to get some social status (or maybe sensitive info, sorry, don't know enough about her, nor do I care, tbh), to a guy who had a choice of remaining in the West and be safe, but who chose to go back to Russia to represent his people and his values? Who essentially martyred himself? The first individual is a borderline whore, while the second individual is what looks like could be a real martyr.

    Navalny got money from the West and acted “on their behalf“
     

    Not on their behalf, it is just an overlap with some Western interests. Mostly he worked on behalf of the liberal and democratic minded part of the Russian society.

    My particular beef is with Sweden – let the poor Vikings in Malmo free, they are abused daily by the migrants and some went to jail for speaking up
     
    I have no objection to that whatsoever (as long as the Swedish people agree, the problem is many don't) - I support a total moratorium on non-Euro immigration into Europe (and even significant repatriation). Malmö is a disgrace - decent infrastructure, but filled with muzzes. Complete disgrace, with all due respect to those who worked hard to make the town nice.

    What you don't get is that BOTH should be free. Both the ones in Russia and in Sweden. That shouldn't be a lot to ask. These would be basic rights. Why not?

    Replies: @Beckow

  351. @Beckow
    @LatW


    Butina but she was a spy in a foreign country – Navalny was a political prisoner in his own country ...and I never said the US jails are in good shape
     
    You didn't read the wiki...:)...Butina was not a "spy" - she was charged with being an unregistered foreign agent and acting "illegally on behalf of the foreign country". Identical to Navalny, other than Navalny was at home. It is a distinction to ponder - Russia mostly goes after its own.

    Assange who is an Australian has been treated the same or worse by Sweden-UK-US - 10+ years in detention for publishing embarrassing docs. That's what Navalny did early in his career - the docs he published were by definition "private". IRS guy went to jail in US for leaking Trump's tax returns.

    I am against it: if you are a public figure or an oligarch your docs should be available - how else do we know how much you steal? But we must be consistent - all or none.


    ...if we’re not going to have universal values then...we descend into the tribal level of existence as opposed to being just human.
     
    I agree. But we clearly don't have universal values, the West doesn't observe what they preach, from Kosovo-Iraq-Gaza to Assange and the legal harrassment of Trump, unfree media, etc...I don't plan to live in Russia or China so why should I care? Fix it at home!

    It is back to tribalism: if you steal my cow it is bad, if I steal your cow it is good... Fine, but why the preaching? Wake up at 6 am and practice for war. But stop the dumb "we are so much better..." propaganda. It doesn't help, nobody who matters takes it seriously...

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer, @LatW

    It is a distinction to ponder – Russia mostly goes after its own.

    Just wanted to add here – no, Russia goes after its own but not just its own – as a result of the RusFed invasion it’s possible that already a half a million people may have been killed – many of these are not Russians. Over the years, RusFed has killed Chechens, Syrians, others and now – Ukrainians in massive numbers.

    As to why go “after one’s own” – the type of authoritarian or rather totalitarian government that has mutated into existence over centuries there, has a functional need to devour its own continuously. Mass repressions give a direction to the totalitarian system. They can repress tens of thousands of people – with the aim to wipe out their enemies within that number of people, regardless if they have to wipe out innocents along the way, they will still catch those who are dangerous for the regime. This is a functional characteristic for that kind of a system. If this doesn’t stop, it can go further – capital punishment, executions…

  352. @Derer
    @AP


    Putin has a record of trying to kill Navalny through poisoning;
     
    Hogwash as usual. Deranged Navalny staged his poisoning. Only simpleminded would believe that Putin poisoned him and then let him fly to Germany for diagnosis, how dimwitted can you be.

    Navalny was not an "opposition leader" (2% support), he was kicked out from some parties and was never elected to parliament. In comparison to Putin he was in division 4.

    Biden ignoramus response to Navalny death "we have to send Ukraine more money", just indicates how pathetic these Russia haters are. They would grab onto even razor-blade to save their macho image.

    Replies: @AP

    Navalny was not an “opposition leader” (2% support),

    The “2% support” is from polls for elections that he is not even allowed to participate in. It’s hardcore supporters who, I guess, are willing to write his name in.

    His actual support while still minority is a lot higher, and in recent years has been fluctuating from 20% to 9%.

  353. @songbird
    @LatW


    Ribbentrop style actions such as friendly & fawning interviews with mass murderers can suffice.
     
    Wow, sounds like you really abhor Tucker! (Didn't even watch the interview myself as it sounded boring.)

    You can't let these media figures get you down, IMO. I'm happier since I stopped watching the mainstream American media. And if you hate a marginal figure like Anglin, you are giving him too much headspace.

    Replies: @LatW

    Wow, sounds like you really abhor Tucker! (Didn’t even watch the interview myself as it sounded boring.)

    Actually, I watched Tucker for years – even enjoyed for a while (a long time ago), I had a weakness for enjoying the so called “pessimism porn” (not proud of it because it is a rather low, irrational impulse). But then I stopped liking him after I suspected of him being a sell out (someone who is holding on to a niche merely to make money), not genuine (although he does have a few solid ideological convictions, it seems) and against the interests of the country of my origin. Also, he may not be as bright as I had imagined, even though he is talented. If he were just a marginal figure, I wouldn’t care and would let it slide, but, alas, he is now one of the main figures within the Ribbentrop party. He is too high status to be ignored. And he did the interview at the worst possible time (he participated in the infowar against my people).

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LatW

    Seems poor Tucker was honeytrapped to the point of mental exhaustion in Moscow as according to his latest logic Biden would become great leader if he ordered the killing of Trump or Tucker or both;)


    https://twitter.com/devarbol/status/1758548520255021077

    Replies: @LatW

  354. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    almost immediately after Navalny death NATO general secretary Stoltenberg, president of the European council Charles Michel, as well as Alzheimer-in-Chief spewed their usual propaganda on the occasion
     
    Of course they did. What did you expect? You imprison a politician that was about to die in very mysterious circumstances on trumped-up charges, he dies in prison and your enemies enjoy the gift you've given them. It's the same dynamic of Ukraine hiring Cirillo and having to sack him when he posts embarrassing stuff while Zelensky is visiting the US. Stupid acts with easily predictable consequences.

    Avdeevka is not an ordinary small town in Donbass. More than half of Ukie shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, by which they murdered hundreds of civilians, was done from Mariinka and Avdeevka.
     
    I know that and I'm glad that the Ukies are being driven out of there, though I'm not sure how much that's going to protect the civilians in Donetsk. We've given them plenty of long-range weapons to continue practicing their old tactics from further away and the Pentagon spokesman (John Kirby iirc) explicitly said that the US is not asking questions on how the Ukrainians use these weapons inside their territory.

    However, very few people in the West know anything about what the Ukrainians have done from Avdiivka. Navalny barely survived a coma a few years ago and was imprisoned in harsh conditions in the Arctic circle. His death at one point or another was not something particularly surprising, in the same way that Avdiivka falling to the Russians at some point or another was also predictable once the Kremlin decided to focus on that objective. Thinking that some fifth columnist in the Russian Arctic killed Navalny in connection with the events in Adviivka sounds very nutty.

    I'm not going to start a discussion on some other conspiratorial stuff you've mentioned but I do agree that there's plenty of corruption in the West these days too, like the politically motivated trials against the presidential candidate leading the polls in the US. I haven't seen anything like this in my lifetime but I don't think that we're going to solve our problems by emulating Russia at all.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

    You imprison a politician that was about to die in very mysterious circumstances

    What politician…more like criminal serving 19 years sentence. He was CIA agent and perhaps could win something in NY but not in Moscow.

  355. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...through illegal activity in a foreign jurisdiction
     
    Butina's illegal activity was attending NRA conferences (she was a gun nut) and dating aging loser with weakness for Russian women and guns. Nothing is identical - but the legal cases are similar. If US makes it illegal, why couldn't Russia? Navalny got money from the West and acted "on their behalf"...you need to see it dispassionately. Just look at the circus with Trump.

    ...not the majority of the Russian population, but a certain percentage who deserve to be free.
     
    That's a slippery slope. Many would like to free the "oppressed" freedom-loving people all over the West. My particular beef is with Sweden - let the poor Vikings in Malmo free, they are abused daily by the migrants and some went to jail for speaking up. And Canada - don't get me started. Can we all work for the liberation of others? How about the blacks in US? Or if you prefer - the victims of the blacks?

    It is better to mind one's business - outsiders never know enough about other societies to make them better. Temptation to use it for other goals - profit or Nato in Crimea... - is too much.


    only the likes of the Freedom of Russia Legion can avenge Navalny, but it remains to be seen if they will
     
    It also remains to be seen if Slovakia wins the Euro Cup this year. Possible? but we know it is not happening...So how many legionaries are there? I had an ancestor in WW1 Czechoslovak legion somewhere in Russia - family never figured out what he actually did, he was fuzzy on that...but he learned how to drink really well and had unexplained large sums of money...I guess revolutions can be very good... :)...Go legionaries!!!

    Replies: @LatW

    dating aging loser with weakness for Russian women and guns.

    So you’re comparing some loser chick who dated foreign men not for love but to get some social status (or maybe sensitive info, sorry, don’t know enough about her, nor do I care, tbh), to a guy who had a choice of remaining in the West and be safe, but who chose to go back to Russia to represent his people and his values? Who essentially martyred himself? The first individual is a borderline whore, while the second individual is what looks like could be a real martyr.

    Navalny got money from the West and acted “on their behalf“

    Not on their behalf, it is just an overlap with some Western interests. Mostly he worked on behalf of the liberal and democratic minded part of the Russian society.

    My particular beef is with Sweden – let the poor Vikings in Malmo free, they are abused daily by the migrants and some went to jail for speaking up

    I have no objection to that whatsoever (as long as the Swedish people agree, the problem is many don’t) – I support a total moratorium on non-Euro immigration into Europe (and even significant repatriation). Malmö is a disgrace – decent infrastructure, but filled with muzzes. Complete disgrace, with all due respect to those who worked hard to make the town nice.

    What you don’t get is that BOTH should be free. Both the ones in Russia and in Sweden. That shouldn’t be a lot to ask. These would be basic rights. Why not?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...comparing some loser chick who dated foreign men not for love... to a guy who had a choice of remaining in the West and be safe, but who chose to go back to Russia to represent his people and his values...the first individual is a borderline whore, while the second individual is what looks like could be a real martyr.
     
    I never said Butina wasn't in love - these gun nuts can be quite appealing. But she did nothing and was sent to prison - for the same thing as Navalny, based in an identical law about foreign money and agents in US and Russia. Navalny also had a fraud conviction and he jumped probation.

    Was he a martyr? He shouldn't have died, but his support in Russia was at most 5%. Who was martyring himself for? NY Times?


    Not on their behalf, it is just an overlap with some Western interests..
     
    An overlap? So one can represent "foreign interests", take their money and it is ok because he sincerely believes in it. That is a broad category - it would allow foreign countries to do almost anything, all it takes is to claim that one is sincere. By the way, Butina who you for some reason don't care about, sincerely believed in the gun culture. We can all play that game.

    I am against those laws, but you must be consistent - they are also used in US and EU.


    I have no objection to that whatsoever as long as the Swedish people agree
     
    How about if the Russian people agree? In Navalny's case in spite of more than a decade of open political activity the huge majority of Russians didn't.

    I am trying to be consistent. When you say we need BOTH, I agree - but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first? Why don't the Westies teach by example? You know the answer - they don't believe in it, it is a 'values' charade to use on enemies and ignore at home.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @LatW

  356. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    And someone might even believe your nonsense.
     
    In Lvov you could hear Ukrainian spoken in the street, in Uzhgorod most people spoke local version of Ukrainian, in Donbass, Crimea, Odessa, or Kharkov – never. In Kiev it was considered bad form, like farting in church. My info is from ~10-15 years ago: I won’t go to Ukraine until all banderites either run away to their masters (like they ran away with Nazis during WWII) or hang on lampposts.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch? Do you remember was it feeling like the city was going upwards or downwards?

    In the 1970s, this city had many successful factories and research institutes. In the 1990s, much of their industry had collapsed. It’s now viewed like a post-industrial hub of politics and shiny streets instead of factories.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry


    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch? Do you remember was it feeling like the city was going upwards or downwards?
     
    I lived near Lvov, not in it. Anyway, I was too little to have sophisticated impressions. Last time I was in Lvov ~30 years ago. I remember that I surprised my wife by automatically switching to local language (to my own surprise I did not forget it). Lvov was fairly nice back then, with plenty of little cafes where you could get good coffee and tasty baked sweets of various kinds (tistechky in local lingo). At the time I never was outside of the USSR. Now I can say that Lvov was like a mini-Prague, and their quality and variety of baked sweets were second only to provincial France. Again, I was in France many years ago and have very positive memories of it, but now a lot of bloggers say that you should not go to Paris, it’s half way to Dakar. It is probably worse: I was in Kenya recently and actually liked Nairobi (did not like their professional child beggars, though).

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch
     
    He said he was under 4 years old when he left. What would he have actually remembered?

    In the 1970s, this city had many successful factories and research institutes. In the 1990s, much of their industry had collapsed
     
    Correct. One of my uncles was chief engineer at a secret factory that produced electronics for missiles. He was very angry when Kuchma obeyed the USA and refused to export to Saddam. The factory shut down and everyone there including my uncle lost their jobs.

    Lviv also produced Soviet televisions, which couldn’t compete against Japanese ones. I think that this factory also shut down.

    Although much of the Soviet-era industries collapsed, the excellent schools remained. The city transitioned into a hub of programming and IT outsourcing. So in my generation, one of my cousins runs an outsourcing firm employing large numbers of programmers.

    The 1990s and early 2000s, before the transition, were difficult times in the city.
  357. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    Biden doesn't have the balls to debate Trump...or anyone for that matter. Why do you always worry about bad stuff in far away countries but ignore it at home?

    Navalny run for mayor in Moscow and lost with 27%...in one place were Western liberals are numerous. He was no opposition in Russia a whole, he was polling in single digits. Commies or nationalists are four times more popular. You just made up an "opposition leader" to your liking. Can we call Robert Kennedy the main opposition in US? Kennedy is a lot more popular than Navalny ever was - has Biden ever debated him?

    Your issue is the complete lack of standards, you have willingness to play fair, to use same rules for all and everywhere. A sad place to be: unsatisfying and it ultimately doesn't work. Try to apply the same rules and drop the advocacy - you may feel better...

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Biden doesn’t have the balls to debate Trump…or anyone for that matter. Why do you always worry about bad stuff in far away countries but ignore it at home?

    More cheerleading projection from Beckow.

    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin. Maybe in 5 or 10 years you will grasp the possibility that it’s possible to oppose Biden and also a 5’1 mass murdering dictator. You don’t have to grab pom-poms and pick a side.

    Navalny run for mayor in Moscow and lost with 27%

    All the more reason to not fear him.

    You just made up an “opposition leader” to your liking.

    I made up Navalny as an opposition leader? I didn’t use that term so I don’t know who you are quoting. How would you describe him? A man looking for solitude in Siberia?

    Can we call Robert Kennedy the main opposition in US?

    You can call him whatever you want.

    The real point is that he is free to run because this isn’t a totalitarian state where an angry dwarf kills the competition.

    Another genius PR move by the dwarf.

    Tries to depict himself as reasonable in the Tucker interview and then kills the opposition even though he was already imprisoned.

    Oh and Trump lost his fraud case:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-hit-with-4535-million-penalty-in-new-york-real-estate-fraud-lawsuit/ar-BB1ioIVi

    In America it isn’t legal to kill the competition and it also isn’t legal to add 9 floors to a building in a loan application and then claim it wasn’t fraud because you paid the loan back. And we still have the documents case which is the worst one. Not looking good for Putin fans.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @John Johnson

    The real point is that he is free to run because this isn’t a totalitarian state where an angry dwarf kills the competition.

    Your ruling class is currently using lawfare to bankrupt and even imprison the main competition to your dear leader. When Trump was President they even invented a conspiracy theory about Russian collusion and used their control of the media to propagate the conspiracy theory. Civil servants, within his government even doctored documents on behalf of their commitment to the conspiracy theory and got away with slaps on the wrist, even becoming heroes promoted by your, in effect, state media. The idea that after the last decade the US is in a position to lecture Russia or anyone else is laughable to virtually everyone on earth who is not brainwashed by the American media complex.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin.
     

    It is not about your personal views, it is about what happens in a country. You and I can freely choose to be "against all", but it is not about us, we are looking at how "opposition" is treated. In US at has been lately absolutely dismal. For all your hatred of Trump, he is a legitimate opposition with massive support unlike Navalny.

    To add "too many floors" to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with. If you don't even understand that you really don't understand anything. I looked it up and the overstatement of asset value was absolutely ridiculous: market is the only way to establish what something is worth - now you have a judge (a very weird guy) claiming that Trumps' Florida mansion is worth "$18 million" - similar properties are selling at $75-100 million. This is a clown show. Why do you defend it?

    Then you have the Atlanta 'revo' prosecutor with her slow-witted pimp who she paid half a million dollars of tax money so they can munch on "wine-and-caviar". The unhinged harridan is lying so openly that in a normal court - in a normal country - she would be politely asked to leave - this is your "anyone is free to run" democracy? Get real, it doesn't look like that to anyone else. You are becoming a laughing stock.

    You lost the sense for real democracy: the system that was always managed but relatively open and easy-going changed into a closed controlled nightmare where opposition candidates and their supporters are charged at will with nonsense, the media cheers it on, and semi-retarded single-use "prosecutors" do the dirt job.

    What the hell is that? Zimbabwe? Your problem is not "Navalny", he wasn't going anywhere, fix the crap at home...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

  358. @LatW
    @songbird


    Wow, sounds like you really abhor Tucker! (Didn’t even watch the interview myself as it sounded boring.)
     
    Actually, I watched Tucker for years - even enjoyed for a while (a long time ago), I had a weakness for enjoying the so called "pessimism porn" (not proud of it because it is a rather low, irrational impulse). But then I stopped liking him after I suspected of him being a sell out (someone who is holding on to a niche merely to make money), not genuine (although he does have a few solid ideological convictions, it seems) and against the interests of the country of my origin. Also, he may not be as bright as I had imagined, even though he is talented. If he were just a marginal figure, I wouldn't care and would let it slide, but, alas, he is now one of the main figures within the Ribbentrop party. He is too high status to be ignored. And he did the interview at the worst possible time (he participated in the infowar against my people).

    Replies: @sudden death

    Seems poor Tucker was honeytrapped to the point of mental exhaustion in Moscow as according to his latest logic Biden would become great leader if he ordered the killing of Trump or Tucker or both;)

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death

    "Oh, has your leader killed any people lately? No? He's not a great leader then!" :)

    Next on his list is to ask an old chekist what "being a Christian means to him" (while he's ordering the killing of thousands of Slavs).

    Although, tbh, I don't disagree with what he's saying in this particular clip... I guess he's trying to sound "redpilled". And then he says that the "dissident" and "freedom of speech" criticism is already being "covered" by the mainstream American press - well, wait, I thought those were lugenpresse or whatever. Why even refer to them...

  359. Had a wisdom tooth removed the other day. Much less painful than I thought it would be. Main unpleasant aspect of it was the dentist stretching my lip back super-far.

    [MORE]

    Wouldn’t say that I’ve taken great care of my teeth, but it’s the only cavity I’ve ever had so far. Guessing that it somehow didn’t come in right, for it to be so much worse than any other tooth.

    Really surprising to talk to old folks and ask when they got their first tooth out. 11 or 12 are common answers. Used to know a kid whose teeth were full of fillings and it really puzzled me how it was even possible, as I am sure I had a lot of sugar too.

    I think fluoridation of tapwater has really been a miracle. But tapwater has been stigmatized falsely to explain politically incorrect deficits.

    It was explained to me once that Germans don’t drink tapwater due to taboos from wartime contamination. But I wonder if it is true.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    Last time I checked, the claims of dental health value of fluoride had been broadly rejected and in any case the possible benefit was small compared to negative impacts from ingesting the fluoride. Some dentists stopped giving fluoride treatments decades ago, while cities keep putting the chemical into the water supply for reasons of inertia ($$).

    Replies: @songbird

  360. In some parts of the culture, Russia has been “Americanizing” a lot in the last decade so you almost feel like a mini-America when in the mall with Burgher King and Taylor Swift.

    For me, reading the American views about Russia/Ukraine from the right part of the political spectrum reminds of the real cultural incompatibility or “wider than the grand canyon”. The religious culture of Americans, then believing other postindustrial countries are divided by religion.*

    An American far-right leader Candace Owen is supporting the Moscow against Kiev. Yet, to explain her views, she re-views the war between Moscow and Kiev as a religious crusade against Christians.

    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Dmitry

    Candace Owen is a frigging dingbat and if she is actually a "far right leader" then they are in big trouble. I get that both US right and left like to parade their mulattoes but she really should not be on tv.

    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.

    Is that from Candace? Yea nice try. That actually doesn't tell us how many people are Christian. Atheists also celebrate Christmas in the US.

    Ukraine is more Christian than Russia. Don't bother with silly stat games in an open forum.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

    Any Christian having to play dishonest stat games for a mass murdering dwarf should probably re-think everything.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @LatW
    @Dmitry

    I'm sorry but who is this bitch to try to dictate who is a real Christian and who isn't? Her own people had a "booga booga" tribal religion a few generations ago (not that there's anything wrong with that). Has she even stepped into a real traditional hundreds of years old Cathedral ever in her life?

    She wants to flirt with the Russian pseudo-Reich, maybe she should be hit from a Russian nuclear satellite. The pseudo-Reich kills both their own and foreigners, after all. As seen in Donbas, those who beg for Putin's troops, eventually do get them.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  361. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Because the Europeans invaded and conquered the place.

     

    Didn't slave raiding also end in various other Muslim places when they were conquered or at least severely defeated by Christians, though, such as Crimea (Crimean Khanate), Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire/Turkey (and not to mention various African places)? Apparently Turkey only abolished slavery in 1924, for instance. Should all of these places have subsequently been opened to European settler colonialism on an extraordinarily massive scale?

    Then they started settling it almost right away.
     
    Russia started settling Central Asia in the late 19th century.

    Oran was over 50% European in the 20th century.
     
    So was northern Kazakhstan, no? Should Russia have been allowed to permanently keep it?

    Instead of displacing all of those people to France, they could have stayed there and anti-French minority could have been exchanged with Pied Noir from other regions in Algeria.
     
    Couldn't similar logic have been applied to northern Kazakhstan as well if a hypothetical Russian nationalist government would have conquered it back in, say, 1992 (or even in 2014 or later, for that matter)? As in, send the Kazakhs living there further to the south while sending the remaining Kazakh and other Central Asian Russians up north to help resettle northern Kazakhstan?

    Or is the difference here that Kazakhs are more civilized than Algerians are and are thus more deserving to keep all of their historical territories? But were Kazakhs as civilized before the Russians conquered them? Apparently the Kazakh Khanate enjoyed capturing and enslaving Russians back when it still existed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_Khanate

    Should Russia have been entitled to acquire and permanently keep northern Kazakhstan as compensation for the Kazakh Khanate's past participation in the capture and slave trade of Russians? Serious question, BTW.

    Some history on this for you:


    Kazakh Khanate slave trade on Russian settlement
    During the 18th century, raids by Kazakhs on Russia's territory of Orenburg were common; the Kazakhs captured many Russians and sold them as slaves in the Central Asian market. The Volga Germans were also victims of Kazakh raids; they were ethnic Germans living along the River Volga in the region of southeastern European Russia around Saratov.

    In 1717, 3,000 Russian slaves, men, women, and children, were sold in Khiva by Kazakh and Kyrgyz tribesmen.[21]

    In 1722, they stole cattle, robbed from Russian villages and people trapped in captivity and sold in the slave markets of Central Asia (in 1722 in Bukhara were over 5,000 Russian prisoners). In the middle of the 17th century, 500 Russians were annually sold to Khiva by Kazakhs

    In 1730, the Kazakhs' frequent raids into Russian lands were a constant irritant and resulted in the enslavement of many of the Tsar's subjects, who were sold on the Kazakh steppe.[22]

    In 1736, urged on by Kirilov, the Kazakhs of the Lesser and Middle Hordes launched raids into Bashkir lands, killing or capturing many Bashkirs in the Siberian and Nogay districts.[23]

    In 1743, an order was given by the senate in response to the failure to defend against the Kazakh attack on a Russian settlement, which resulted in 14 Russians killed, 24 wounded. In addition, 96 Cossacks were captured by Kazakhs.[24]

    In 1755, Nepliuev tried to enlist Kazakh support by ending the reprisal raids and promising that the Kazakhs could keep the Bashkir women and children living among them (a long-standing point of contention between Nepliuev and Khan Nurali of the Junior Jüz).[25] Thousands of Bashkirs would be massacred or taken captive by Kazakhs over the course of the uprising, whether in an effort to demonstrate loyalty to the Tsarist state, or as a purely opportunistic maneuver.[26][27]

    In the period between 1764 and 1803, according to data collected by the Orenburg Commission, twenty Russian caravans were attacked and plundered. Kazakh raiders attacked even big caravans which were accompanied by numerous guards.[28]

    In spring 1774, the Russians demanded the Khan return 256 Russians captured by a recent Kazakh raid.[29]

    In summer 1774, when Russian troops in the Kazan region were suppressing the rebellion led by the Cossack leader Pugachev, the Kazakhs launched more than 240 raids and captured many Russians and herds along the border of Orenburg.[29]

    In 1799, the biggest Russian caravan which was plundered at that time lost goods worth 295,000 rubles.[30]

    By 1830, the Russian government estimated that two hundred Russians were kidnapped and sold into slavery in Khiva every year.[31]

    Russian empire slave trade on Kazakh settlement
    In 1737, Empress of Russia Anna Ioannovna issued an order that legalized slave trade in Siberia.[32]

    There were accounts of Russian Cossack raids that captured Kazakh families, which were then taken to Petropavlovsk and Omsk, where they were sold to wealthy Russian land owners into serfdom.[32]

    By the end of 18th century, the lands of Kazakh Junior Jüz (or Junior Horde) were incorporated into the Russian Empire, and raids by Kazakhs on Russian colonies has gradually declined and stopped.[30]

    On May 23, 1808, Governor Peter Kaptzevich signed an order that freed all slave or serf Kazakhs of both genders who reached the age of 25.[32]

    Abolition of slavery
    At major markets in Bukhara, Samarkand, Karakul, Karshi and Charju, slaves consisted mainly of Iranians and Russians, and some Kalmuks; they were brought there by Turkmen, Kazakh and Kyrgyz.[33] A notorious slave market for captured Russian and Persian slaves was centered in the Khanate of Khiva from the 17th to the 19th century.[34] During the first half of the 19th century alone, some one million Persians, as well as an unknown number of Russians, were enslaved and transported to Central Asian khanates.[35][36] When Russian troops took Khiva in 1873 there were 29,300 Persian slaves, captured by Turkoman raiders.[citation needed] According to Josef Wolff (Report of 1843–1845) the population of the Khanate of Bukhara was 1,200,000, of whom 200,000 were Persian slaves.[37]
     

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    FWIW, in real life, the European presence in northern Kazakhstan is rapidly disappearing due to gradual emigration:

    Ethnic Demographical Maps of Kazakhstan, 1939 and 2023 [OC]
    byu/Genfersee_Lam inMapPorn

  362. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    A few words in German, does not constitute a dialect, Professor. :-) BTW. it's "спацір*" and not "шпацiр", if you want to be accurate.

    * спа́цір (діал.) ходіння або катання для відпочинку, розваги

    Kind of embarrassing I would imagine, to be corrected by a "clueless diasporan Ukrainian" being a native speaker. :-)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    How fitting. Diaspora “Ukrainian” quotes dictionary made by other diaspore “Ukrainians”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    And disparaged by one other master diaspora Ukrainian. I was born in the US, love my country and enjoy living here. What's your lame excuse for living here? If you appreciate Putler so much, enjoy Russian culture too, why don't you emigrate there and retire?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  363. @Dmitry
    In some parts of the culture, Russia has been "Americanizing" a lot in the last decade so you almost feel like a mini-America when in the mall with Burgher King and Taylor Swift.

    For me, reading the American views about Russia/Ukraine from the right part of the political spectrum reminds of the real cultural incompatibility or "wider than the grand canyon". The religious culture of Americans, then believing other postindustrial countries are divided by religion.*

    An American far-right leader Candace Owen is supporting the Moscow against Kiev. Yet, to explain her views, she re-views the war between Moscow and Kiev as a religious crusade against Christians.

    https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1757166000573734993


    -

    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @LatW

    Candace Owen is a frigging dingbat and if she is actually a “far right leader” then they are in big trouble. I get that both US right and left like to parade their mulattoes but she really should not be on tv.

    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.

    Is that from Candace? Yea nice try. That actually doesn’t tell us how many people are Christian. Atheists also celebrate Christmas in the US.

    Ukraine is more Christian than Russia. Don’t bother with silly stat games in an open forum.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

    Any Christian having to play dishonest stat games for a mass murdering dwarf should probably re-think everything.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @John Johnson



    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.
     
    Is that from Candace?
     
    This is official data of the Russian Orthodox Church. Each Russian Orthodox church counts each person who enters the door of the church, maybe they have electronic counters. They publicize the data to celebrate in a scientific way.

    In the 1990s, when the numbers of visitors were growing and peak, they begin to count them. Since the 1990s, the quantity slowly falls as older people died.

    In the 1990s it was a time of cultural confusion and a little excitement in the postsoviet countries and there was a time Christianity was almost fashionable. My mother was interested in Christianity for a couple before I was born. These were soviet people who had sometimes very little knowledge about religion. After the 1990s, generally young people have more knowledge about religion and the church has a lot of funding. In the data, religious people became even more of a minority sect.

    @LatW


    She wants to flirt with the Russian pseudo-Reich
     
    I think she is an isolationist with external policy. She is a interested about Ukraine, views this like a Nazi society which persecutes Christianity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BdtMv-vyn0

    The views relate more to internal American arguments than interest about other countries. I was watching this week about Tucker Carlson. He was in the supermarket in Russia and buys the trolley.

    Median salary was around 50 thousand rubles per month last year. His trolley was 9481 rubles. He spends in the supermarket trolley from minimum of 6 days of income for half of all Russian workers.

    https://twitter.com/runews/status/1758076324277522591

    Replies: @John Johnson, @songbird

  364. @MrHack https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-237/#comment-6331463

    I choose them as an example of the difference in the dynamic range of those recordings. Although it reminds of the epoch when British singers were conquering world music. It’s one of the cultural differences between the 1980s and early 21st century created by technological change and the different pattern of peoples’ attention. We compare Sade to Katy Perry.

    1986, dynamic range was lot of the expression, the producer and musicians intend people will listen in quiet room in their home.

    2009, Katy Perry we can hear almost little dynamic range, there is no problem hearing the words in places with background noises like in a supermarket and car.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    It's nice to see you back again. I'm envious seeing you be able to pop in and out of this blogsite for several months at a time. I'm tempted at times to try this technique myself. :-)

    Sade IMHO sounds a lot more interesting than Katy Perry. Other than classical and jazz music, within the pop music field I've always been a big fan of prog-rock music (YES, Moody Blues, King Crimson, Genesis, Jethro Tull, classic prog-rock music). Recently, I started a journey to listen to lesser-known prog-rock masters from the same era, that for some reason mostly missed my listening experience. This kind of music, officially a sub-group of prog rock, is named the "Canterbury sound" and can be easily accessed through Spotify that has developed some nice programs that give you a nice flavor of this type of music. If I found a particular tune that I liked, I would then delve more fully into the composers and their output.

    I have also been listening to modern groups that still lift the prog rock sound high on their pedestal. Two that I wholeheartedly recommend are "Karfagen" and "Ayreon"

    Here's one from the past era that I think you might thoroughly enjoy:

    https://youtu.be/GiEI3RtwbMk

  365. @Dmitry
    In some parts of the culture, Russia has been "Americanizing" a lot in the last decade so you almost feel like a mini-America when in the mall with Burgher King and Taylor Swift.

    For me, reading the American views about Russia/Ukraine from the right part of the political spectrum reminds of the real cultural incompatibility or "wider than the grand canyon". The religious culture of Americans, then believing other postindustrial countries are divided by religion.*

    An American far-right leader Candace Owen is supporting the Moscow against Kiev. Yet, to explain her views, she re-views the war between Moscow and Kiev as a religious crusade against Christians.

    https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1757166000573734993


    -

    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @LatW

    I’m sorry but who is this bitch to try to dictate who is a real Christian and who isn’t? Her own people had a “booga booga” tribal religion a few generations ago (not that there’s anything wrong with that). Has she even stepped into a real traditional hundreds of years old Cathedral ever in her life?

    She wants to flirt with the Russian pseudo-Reich, maybe she should be hit from a Russian nuclear satellite. The pseudo-Reich kills both their own and foreigners, after all. As seen in Donbas, those who beg for Putin’s troops, eventually do get them.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW

    I’m sorry but who is this bitch to try to dictate who is a real Christian and who isn’t?

    That's Candace Owen.

    She initially looks like she could play the role of the ideal conservative Black politician or Con Inc darling. A Fox host or something.

    But then she starts blabbing....

    Candace Owens Declares Taylor Swift To Be ‘Most Toxic Feminist That’s Ever Existed'
    https://www.btimesonline.com/articles/164002/20240215/candace-owens-labels-taylor-swift-most-toxic-feminist-sparks-controversy-at-daily-wire-event.htm

    So Taylor Swift, a pop star who sings and shakes her butt is a more toxic feminist than someone like Gloria Steinem who made this quote:
    Marriage works best for men than women. The two happiest groups are married men and unmarried women.

    Candace has to be completely scripted or she will make comments like that one.

    She also maintains "welfare ruined Black areas" type theories. I'm not a fan of welfare but Black areas were never Wakanda. These Con Inc hucksters don't have a 1950s city they can point to as the model.

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

  366. @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch? Do you remember was it feeling like the city was going upwards or downwards?

    In the 1970s, this city had many successful factories and research institutes. In the 1990s, much of their industry had collapsed. It's now viewed like a post-industrial hub of politics and shiny streets instead of factories.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch? Do you remember was it feeling like the city was going upwards or downwards?

    I lived near Lvov, not in it. Anyway, I was too little to have sophisticated impressions. Last time I was in Lvov ~30 years ago. I remember that I surprised my wife by automatically switching to local language (to my own surprise I did not forget it). Lvov was fairly nice back then, with plenty of little cafes where you could get good coffee and tasty baked sweets of various kinds (tistechky in local lingo). At the time I never was outside of the USSR. Now I can say that Lvov was like a mini-Prague, and their quality and variety of baked sweets were second only to provincial France. Again, I was in France many years ago and have very positive memories of it, but now a lot of bloggers say that you should not go to Paris, it’s half way to Dakar. It is probably worse: I was in Kenya recently and actually liked Nairobi (did not like their professional child beggars, though).

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    What about the small group, many of them looking impropt, open-air concerts? Always pleasant to hear good classical musicians play on the street/outdoor terrace area of bar spreading onto street etc. Quite a unique thing about Lvov in the country.

    This is where Lvov best mimic Paris, Vienna - though obviously it does not have near the grandeur level of these places.


    and their quality and variety of baked sweets were second only to provincial France
     
    Always prefered the Scandinavian stuff I must say!

    It is probably worse: I was in Kenya recently and actually liked Nairobi (did not like their professional child beggars, though)
     
    Though of course not representative of the average social-economic situation of an American - it is the only country where a woman holding written cards (claiming) to be a mute, and claiming to have a newborn child .........did walk up to us and ask for 50 dollars ( this was about 1997 and in Florida).

    Didn't see anybody trying to do any "hitchhiking" during driving in America........something I thought was supposed to be very common.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  367. @sudden death
    @LatW

    Seems poor Tucker was honeytrapped to the point of mental exhaustion in Moscow as according to his latest logic Biden would become great leader if he ordered the killing of Trump or Tucker or both;)


    https://twitter.com/devarbol/status/1758548520255021077

    Replies: @LatW

    “Oh, has your leader killed any people lately? No? He’s not a great leader then!” 🙂

    Next on his list is to ask an old chekist what “being a Christian means to him” (while he’s ordering the killing of thousands of Slavs).

    Although, tbh, I don’t disagree with what he’s saying in this particular clip… I guess he’s trying to sound “redpilled”. And then he says that the “dissident” and “freedom of speech” criticism is already being “covered” by the mainstream American press – well, wait, I thought those were lugenpresse or whatever. Why even refer to them…

  368. @LatW
    @Beckow


    dating aging loser with weakness for Russian women and guns.
     
    So you're comparing some loser chick who dated foreign men not for love but to get some social status (or maybe sensitive info, sorry, don't know enough about her, nor do I care, tbh), to a guy who had a choice of remaining in the West and be safe, but who chose to go back to Russia to represent his people and his values? Who essentially martyred himself? The first individual is a borderline whore, while the second individual is what looks like could be a real martyr.

    Navalny got money from the West and acted “on their behalf“
     

    Not on their behalf, it is just an overlap with some Western interests. Mostly he worked on behalf of the liberal and democratic minded part of the Russian society.

    My particular beef is with Sweden – let the poor Vikings in Malmo free, they are abused daily by the migrants and some went to jail for speaking up
     
    I have no objection to that whatsoever (as long as the Swedish people agree, the problem is many don't) - I support a total moratorium on non-Euro immigration into Europe (and even significant repatriation). Malmö is a disgrace - decent infrastructure, but filled with muzzes. Complete disgrace, with all due respect to those who worked hard to make the town nice.

    What you don't get is that BOTH should be free. Both the ones in Russia and in Sweden. That shouldn't be a lot to ask. These would be basic rights. Why not?

    Replies: @Beckow

    …comparing some loser chick who dated foreign men not for love… to a guy who had a choice of remaining in the West and be safe, but who chose to go back to Russia to represent his people and his values…the first individual is a borderline whore, while the second individual is what looks like could be a real martyr.

    I never said Butina wasn’t in love – these gun nuts can be quite appealing. But she did nothing and was sent to prison – for the same thing as Navalny, based in an identical law about foreign money and agents in US and Russia. Navalny also had a fraud conviction and he jumped probation.

    Was he a martyr? He shouldn’t have died, but his support in Russia was at most 5%. Who was martyring himself for? NY Times?

    Not on their behalf, it is just an overlap with some Western interests..

    An overlap? So one can represent “foreign interests”, take their money and it is ok because he sincerely believes in it. That is a broad category – it would allow foreign countries to do almost anything, all it takes is to claim that one is sincere. By the way, Butina who you for some reason don’t care about, sincerely believed in the gun culture. We can all play that game.

    I am against those laws, but you must be consistent – they are also used in US and EU.

    I have no objection to that whatsoever as long as the Swedish people agree

    How about if the Russian people agree? In Navalny’s case in spite of more than a decade of open political activity the huge majority of Russians didn’t.

    I am trying to be consistent. When you say we need BOTH, I agree – but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first? Why don’t the Westies teach by example? You know the answer – they don’t believe in it, it is a ‘values’ charade to use on enemies and ignore at home.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    But she did nothing and was sent to prison
     
    I don't remember her case well, but it seems she was cultivating ties that the powers that be in that particular country found objectionable. Whereas Navalny was not a foreigner, but was a representative of a part of a Russian society. If he went to a non-liberal country and tried to push liberalism with a local group, he'd be banned most likely. And maybe slightly beyond, for many years. His death is meaningful because this closes a stage - from now on it seems obvious that the only way to fight is by physical means only, not with ideas, arguments, statements, investigative journalism or white balloons.

    What is interesting now is where the funeral will happen - and whether crowds will be allowed at the funeral.


    So one can represent “foreign interests”, take their money and it is ok because he sincerely believes in it.
     
    This is of course a slippery question, but these interests can collide in various political streams - not just liberal and not just pro-Western. Like minded people meet. Just look at the Tucker interview. It's up to each state to figure out whether to deem that dangerous or to tolerate it. Regardless of whether "he took money from the West", he had a homegrown audience. If you believe that it was ok to stomp it out, then that's on you. But to say it didn't exist, is wrong.

    When you say we need BOTH, I agree – but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first?

    I never insisted RusFed should go first - in fact, RusFed should never have been allowed to come to this. The last moment to change anything was in 2012. I don't care "who goes first" as long as they both do. But it's doubtful it is even possible at this point - for either of them.

    , @QCIC
    @Beckow

    A vlogger named George Webb made a persuasive case that Butina was an actual spy, though low-level. These type of people exist on all sides and sometimes are swept up in events. The situation with Evan Gershkovich might be similar, though I think he was caught red handed.

    Butina is not a good parallel with Navalny. Navalny seems like a politician supported by foreign governments to stir up trouble. In some countries you can only get away with this if the support is from Israel. The West may have wanted Navalny to become a more successful irritant, along the lines of Juan Guaido in Venezuela.

    +++

    I wonder if Navalny is still alive? Maybe he was promoted to groundskeeper at Putin's palace. Prigozhin probably runs the kitchen. There is plenty of room for other players from our Russian rogues' gallery. Zelensky has probably applied for the position of piano player.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    When you say we need BOTH, I agree – but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first?
     
    How is Russia even "the weaker side" when they get backing from Iran, North Korean and even possibly China (yes, China is sending non-lethal military supplies apparently)? Then you keep saying they have the upper hand in the region - well, which one is it?
  369. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...comparing some loser chick who dated foreign men not for love... to a guy who had a choice of remaining in the West and be safe, but who chose to go back to Russia to represent his people and his values...the first individual is a borderline whore, while the second individual is what looks like could be a real martyr.
     
    I never said Butina wasn't in love - these gun nuts can be quite appealing. But she did nothing and was sent to prison - for the same thing as Navalny, based in an identical law about foreign money and agents in US and Russia. Navalny also had a fraud conviction and he jumped probation.

    Was he a martyr? He shouldn't have died, but his support in Russia was at most 5%. Who was martyring himself for? NY Times?


    Not on their behalf, it is just an overlap with some Western interests..
     
    An overlap? So one can represent "foreign interests", take their money and it is ok because he sincerely believes in it. That is a broad category - it would allow foreign countries to do almost anything, all it takes is to claim that one is sincere. By the way, Butina who you for some reason don't care about, sincerely believed in the gun culture. We can all play that game.

    I am against those laws, but you must be consistent - they are also used in US and EU.


    I have no objection to that whatsoever as long as the Swedish people agree
     
    How about if the Russian people agree? In Navalny's case in spite of more than a decade of open political activity the huge majority of Russians didn't.

    I am trying to be consistent. When you say we need BOTH, I agree - but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first? Why don't the Westies teach by example? You know the answer - they don't believe in it, it is a 'values' charade to use on enemies and ignore at home.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @LatW

    But she did nothing and was sent to prison

    I don’t remember her case well, but it seems she was cultivating ties that the powers that be in that particular country found objectionable. Whereas Navalny was not a foreigner, but was a representative of a part of a Russian society. If he went to a non-liberal country and tried to push liberalism with a local group, he’d be banned most likely. And maybe slightly beyond, for many years. His death is meaningful because this closes a stage – from now on it seems obvious that the only way to fight is by physical means only, not with ideas, arguments, statements, investigative journalism or white balloons.

    What is interesting now is where the funeral will happen – and whether crowds will be allowed at the funeral.

    So one can represent “foreign interests”, take their money and it is ok because he sincerely believes in it.

    This is of course a slippery question, but these interests can collide in various political streams – not just liberal and not just pro-Western. Like minded people meet. Just look at the Tucker interview. It’s up to each state to figure out whether to deem that dangerous or to tolerate it. Regardless of whether “he took money from the West”, he had a homegrown audience. If you believe that it was ok to stomp it out, then that’s on you. But to say it didn’t exist, is wrong.

    When you say we need BOTH, I agree – but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first?

    I never insisted RusFed should go first – in fact, RusFed should never have been allowed to come to this. The last moment to change anything was in 2012. I don’t care “who goes first” as long as they both do. But it’s doubtful it is even possible at this point – for either of them.

  370. @LatW
    @Dmitry

    I'm sorry but who is this bitch to try to dictate who is a real Christian and who isn't? Her own people had a "booga booga" tribal religion a few generations ago (not that there's anything wrong with that). Has she even stepped into a real traditional hundreds of years old Cathedral ever in her life?

    She wants to flirt with the Russian pseudo-Reich, maybe she should be hit from a Russian nuclear satellite. The pseudo-Reich kills both their own and foreigners, after all. As seen in Donbas, those who beg for Putin's troops, eventually do get them.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I’m sorry but who is this bitch to try to dictate who is a real Christian and who isn’t?

    That’s Candace Owen.

    She initially looks like she could play the role of the ideal conservative Black politician or Con Inc darling. A Fox host or something.

    But then she starts blabbing….

    Candace Owens Declares Taylor Swift To Be ‘Most Toxic Feminist That’s Ever Existed’
    https://www.btimesonline.com/articles/164002/20240215/candace-owens-labels-taylor-swift-most-toxic-feminist-sparks-controversy-at-daily-wire-event.htm

    So Taylor Swift, a pop star who sings and shakes her butt is a more toxic feminist than someone like Gloria Steinem who made this quote:
    Marriage works best for men than women. The two happiest groups are married men and unmarried women.

    Candace has to be completely scripted or she will make comments like that one.

    She also maintains “welfare ruined Black areas” type theories. I’m not a fan of welfare but Black areas were never Wakanda. These Con Inc hucksters don’t have a 1950s city they can point to as the model.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    That’s Candace Owen.
     
    Of course, I know who she is - I'm not interested in her boring views which have been repeated over and over with little originality on the conservative scene. What I meant was - who the hell is she to tell Ukrainians they are not real Christians when she herself has shallow roots. She knows so little about Putin's system (run by old KGB personnel) and yet she runs her mouth like that - against a nation who are a victim. Besides this strife is none of her business.

    Gloria Steinem who made this quote:
    Marriage works best for men than women. The two happiest groups are married men and unmarried women.
     
    I think this may be true since this was backed up by some stats - married men live longer and have better health (not sure they are happier but it seems so), marriage civilizes men, and married people may also have it better financially, married men, if they stay married, win hands down. Unmarried women, assuming they've had children if they so desired, have more peace of mind and contentment. So this part may not be wrong. There is an asymmetry here between the sexes in our modern society.

    I'm not following Taylor Swift's latest romance (although my mom likes her and was following some of her music), other than noticing that her net worth is much higher than that of her cute and masculine boyfriend. Maybe it doesn't matter. So I can't comment on any criticisms towards her - imo, Taylor Swift is by far not the worst out there (she sounds like she has had several boyfriends, but afaik she speaks of them amicably).

    I really don't care about Candice Owens as long as she stays quiet about Ukraine and who is a real Christian. It's not her place to judge. It really just seems she wants to please the MAGA group by being anti-Ukrainian, at the expense of innocent, God fearing Ukrainians. Many of whom are more chaste than most Euros and Americans. Not to mention Russians who can be incredibly hedonistic and scientistic / atheist. All I get on my Ukrainian YouTube stream is prayer groups now. Clear sign they are Christians in every day life.

    But if she is a "Qanon dingbat" then she may not be all that dangerous - then she'll just be dismissed as a nut.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Ennui

    , @songbird
    @John Johnson


    She also maintains “welfare ruined Black areas” type theories. I’m not a fan of welfare but Black areas were never Wakanda. These Con Inc hucksters don’t have a 1950s city they can point to as the model.
     
    I tend to believe Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams who actually grew up in black ghettos in the North about the premise that they got worse.

    Don't see why they would lie about it. Intelligent black men are really in demand, and they certainly never had to pimp themselves to conservatives to be rewarded. (Not necessarily the case with Candace).

    Don't know if I trust the interpretation fully, but I do trust the observation.

    However, it is just not a saleable message to blacks, no matter how you package it. The media complex spins the narrative that everything about the past was worse.

    Possibly a large part of the answer is that welfare and connections incentivized less intelligent blacks from the South to migrate North, whereas before there had been a bit of a filter, when it was pioneers. And then there are cultural thresholds, that move depending on the percent.

    Then there was drugs and dysgenics.
  371. @John Johnson
    @Dmitry

    Candace Owen is a frigging dingbat and if she is actually a "far right leader" then they are in big trouble. I get that both US right and left like to parade their mulattoes but she really should not be on tv.

    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.

    Is that from Candace? Yea nice try. That actually doesn't tell us how many people are Christian. Atheists also celebrate Christmas in the US.

    Ukraine is more Christian than Russia. Don't bother with silly stat games in an open forum.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

    Any Christian having to play dishonest stat games for a mass murdering dwarf should probably re-think everything.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.

    Is that from Candace?

    This is official data of the Russian Orthodox Church. Each Russian Orthodox church counts each person who enters the door of the church, maybe they have electronic counters. They publicize the data to celebrate in a scientific way.

    In the 1990s, when the numbers of visitors were growing and peak, they begin to count them. Since the 1990s, the quantity slowly falls as older people died.

    In the 1990s it was a time of cultural confusion and a little excitement in the postsoviet countries and there was a time Christianity was almost fashionable. My mother was interested in Christianity for a couple before I was born. These were soviet people who had sometimes very little knowledge about religion. After the 1990s, generally young people have more knowledge about religion and the church has a lot of funding. In the data, religious people became even more of a minority sect.

    She wants to flirt with the Russian pseudo-Reich

    I think she is an isolationist with external policy. She is a interested about Ukraine, views this like a Nazi society which persecutes Christianity.

    The views relate more to internal American arguments than interest about other countries. I was watching this week about Tucker Carlson. He was in the supermarket in Russia and buys the trolley.

    Median salary was around 50 thousand rubles per month last year. His trolley was 9481 rubles. He spends in the supermarket trolley from minimum of 6 days of income for half of all Russian workers.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Dmitry

    This is official data of the Russian Orthodox Church. Each Russian Orthodox church counts each person who enters the door of the church, maybe they have electronic counters. They publicize the data to celebrate in a scientific way.

    But you acknowledge that Ukraine has a higher percentage of Christians than Russia?

    I think she is an isolationist with external policy. She is a interested about Ukraine, views this like a Nazi society which persecutes Christianity.

    She is a Qanon dingbat and in a few weeks she could be talking about toasters that have listening devices.

    You are probably unaware of how she bombs unscripted interviews.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx_qtG_mfrU

    She didn't know there were multiple moon landings.

    The conservative Sheila Jackson "Two Vietnams" Lee.

    Tucker Carlson visited a Russian grocery store and was amazed at the variety and prices.

    Wow anecdotal observations from a Putin defender and former CNN host who was caught lying about his multi-year support for Trump. Now that's a report you can trust!

    Are Russians still standing in line for eggs or has that been fixed?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    , @songbird
    @Dmitry

    You will have to decide the merit of it:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarket_scanner_moment

    Replies: @Dmitry

  372. @Dmitry
    @John Johnson



    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.
     
    Is that from Candace?
     
    This is official data of the Russian Orthodox Church. Each Russian Orthodox church counts each person who enters the door of the church, maybe they have electronic counters. They publicize the data to celebrate in a scientific way.

    In the 1990s, when the numbers of visitors were growing and peak, they begin to count them. Since the 1990s, the quantity slowly falls as older people died.

    In the 1990s it was a time of cultural confusion and a little excitement in the postsoviet countries and there was a time Christianity was almost fashionable. My mother was interested in Christianity for a couple before I was born. These were soviet people who had sometimes very little knowledge about religion. After the 1990s, generally young people have more knowledge about religion and the church has a lot of funding. In the data, religious people became even more of a minority sect.

    @LatW


    She wants to flirt with the Russian pseudo-Reich
     
    I think she is an isolationist with external policy. She is a interested about Ukraine, views this like a Nazi society which persecutes Christianity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BdtMv-vyn0

    The views relate more to internal American arguments than interest about other countries. I was watching this week about Tucker Carlson. He was in the supermarket in Russia and buys the trolley.

    Median salary was around 50 thousand rubles per month last year. His trolley was 9481 rubles. He spends in the supermarket trolley from minimum of 6 days of income for half of all Russian workers.

    https://twitter.com/runews/status/1758076324277522591

    Replies: @John Johnson, @songbird

    This is official data of the Russian Orthodox Church. Each Russian Orthodox church counts each person who enters the door of the church, maybe they have electronic counters. They publicize the data to celebrate in a scientific way.

    But you acknowledge that Ukraine has a higher percentage of Christians than Russia?

    I think she is an isolationist with external policy. She is a interested about Ukraine, views this like a Nazi society which persecutes Christianity.

    She is a Qanon dingbat and in a few weeks she could be talking about toasters that have listening devices.

    You are probably unaware of how she bombs unscripted interviews.

    She didn’t know there were multiple moon landings.

    The conservative Sheila Jackson “Two Vietnams” Lee.

    Tucker Carlson visited a Russian grocery store and was amazed at the variety and prices.

    Wow anecdotal observations from a Putin defender and former CNN host who was caught lying about his multi-year support for Trump. Now that’s a report you can trust!

    Are Russians still standing in line for eggs or has that been fixed?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    IoT = Internet of Toasters?

    Coming soon, the AI-based toaster. Perfect for your two minutes of hate, gives perfectly burned toast every time!

    Available at Wally World.

    +++

    It is surprising that she did not know there were several lunar landing missions.

    , @Dmitry
    @John Johnson


    toasters that have listening devices.
     
    I didn't intend to give her a certificate of approval. But, she is one of the most popular speakers in the American right, having over a million people for her talking about the Carlson interview of Putin within days.

    Her videos about Ukraine can have millions of viewers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI61HrNXQaQ
  373. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...comparing some loser chick who dated foreign men not for love... to a guy who had a choice of remaining in the West and be safe, but who chose to go back to Russia to represent his people and his values...the first individual is a borderline whore, while the second individual is what looks like could be a real martyr.
     
    I never said Butina wasn't in love - these gun nuts can be quite appealing. But she did nothing and was sent to prison - for the same thing as Navalny, based in an identical law about foreign money and agents in US and Russia. Navalny also had a fraud conviction and he jumped probation.

    Was he a martyr? He shouldn't have died, but his support in Russia was at most 5%. Who was martyring himself for? NY Times?


    Not on their behalf, it is just an overlap with some Western interests..
     
    An overlap? So one can represent "foreign interests", take their money and it is ok because he sincerely believes in it. That is a broad category - it would allow foreign countries to do almost anything, all it takes is to claim that one is sincere. By the way, Butina who you for some reason don't care about, sincerely believed in the gun culture. We can all play that game.

    I am against those laws, but you must be consistent - they are also used in US and EU.


    I have no objection to that whatsoever as long as the Swedish people agree
     
    How about if the Russian people agree? In Navalny's case in spite of more than a decade of open political activity the huge majority of Russians didn't.

    I am trying to be consistent. When you say we need BOTH, I agree - but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first? Why don't the Westies teach by example? You know the answer - they don't believe in it, it is a 'values' charade to use on enemies and ignore at home.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @LatW

    A vlogger named George Webb made a persuasive case that Butina was an actual spy, though low-level. These type of people exist on all sides and sometimes are swept up in events. The situation with Evan Gershkovich might be similar, though I think he was caught red handed.

    Butina is not a good parallel with Navalny. Navalny seems like a politician supported by foreign governments to stir up trouble. In some countries you can only get away with this if the support is from Israel. The West may have wanted Navalny to become a more successful irritant, along the lines of Juan Guaido in Venezuela.

    +++

    I wonder if Navalny is still alive? Maybe he was promoted to groundskeeper at Putin’s palace. Prigozhin probably runs the kitchen. There is plenty of room for other players from our Russian rogues’ gallery. Zelensky has probably applied for the position of piano player.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...Navalny seems like a politician supported by foreign governments to stir up trouble...the West may have wanted Navalny to become a more successful irritant, along the lines of Juan Guaido in Venezuela.
     
    Guidado got elected - he was chairman of the Parliament, Navalny didn't get elected to anything. There are no accurate parallels, I said so, this is about common features of all these laws - they can be easily abused, and they are abused in the West all the time. If Butina was a low-level spy (what is that?) they would charge her with it.

    If we fund a "law-and-order" political initiative in Malmo and get like-minded locals to manage it, Sweden will shut it down in no time - it doesn't fit their ideology. Freedom or not, they wouldn't allow it. Imagine that Russia would do it - it would be called an "invasion", any locals would be rounded up and charged. And Sweden is a relatively sober country.

    That's what Navalny was doing in Russia. In an ideal world this would be ok and nobody would care - but we are in a war-like confrontation. My point is that both sides do what they think they must. But the Western hypocrisy is just too much...as if they lost any sense of objectivity.

    Replies: @LatW

  374. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    I’m sorry but who is this bitch to try to dictate who is a real Christian and who isn’t?

    That's Candace Owen.

    She initially looks like she could play the role of the ideal conservative Black politician or Con Inc darling. A Fox host or something.

    But then she starts blabbing....

    Candace Owens Declares Taylor Swift To Be ‘Most Toxic Feminist That’s Ever Existed'
    https://www.btimesonline.com/articles/164002/20240215/candace-owens-labels-taylor-swift-most-toxic-feminist-sparks-controversy-at-daily-wire-event.htm

    So Taylor Swift, a pop star who sings and shakes her butt is a more toxic feminist than someone like Gloria Steinem who made this quote:
    Marriage works best for men than women. The two happiest groups are married men and unmarried women.

    Candace has to be completely scripted or she will make comments like that one.

    She also maintains "welfare ruined Black areas" type theories. I'm not a fan of welfare but Black areas were never Wakanda. These Con Inc hucksters don't have a 1950s city they can point to as the model.

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    That’s Candace Owen.

    Of course, I know who she is – I’m not interested in her boring views which have been repeated over and over with little originality on the conservative scene. What I meant was – who the hell is she to tell Ukrainians they are not real Christians when she herself has shallow roots. She knows so little about Putin’s system (run by old KGB personnel) and yet she runs her mouth like that – against a nation who are a victim. Besides this strife is none of her business.

    Gloria Steinem who made this quote:
    Marriage works best for men than women. The two happiest groups are married men and unmarried women.

    I think this may be true since this was backed up by some stats – married men live longer and have better health (not sure they are happier but it seems so), marriage civilizes men, and married people may also have it better financially, married men, if they stay married, win hands down. Unmarried women, assuming they’ve had children if they so desired, have more peace of mind and contentment. So this part may not be wrong. There is an asymmetry here between the sexes in our modern society.

    I’m not following Taylor Swift’s latest romance (although my mom likes her and was following some of her music), other than noticing that her net worth is much higher than that of her cute and masculine boyfriend. Maybe it doesn’t matter. So I can’t comment on any criticisms towards her – imo, Taylor Swift is by far not the worst out there (she sounds like she has had several boyfriends, but afaik she speaks of them amicably).

    I really don’t care about Candice Owens as long as she stays quiet about Ukraine and who is a real Christian. It’s not her place to judge. It really just seems she wants to please the MAGA group by being anti-Ukrainian, at the expense of innocent, God fearing Ukrainians. Many of whom are more chaste than most Euros and Americans. Not to mention Russians who can be incredibly hedonistic and scientistic / atheist. All I get on my Ukrainian YouTube stream is prayer groups now. Clear sign they are Christians in every day life.

    But if she is a “Qanon dingbat” then she may not be all that dangerous – then she’ll just be dismissed as a nut.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW

    I think this may be true since this was backed up by some stats – married men live longer and have better health (not sure they are happier but it seems so), marriage civilizes men, and married people may also have it better financially, married men, if they stay married, win hands down

    I don't think it is true at all. I don't buy for one second that unmarried women are happier than unmarried men. Not past a certain age.

    This is one of those areas that is difficult to poll. You can't ask certain questions where people try to convince themselves of something being true.

    It's just as dubious as polling a question like what do you desire in a man? or are you a good person?

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Ennui
    @LatW

    You parasites want her tax dollars. She has every right to comment.

  375. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian – not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc…..but a majority.
     
    And someone might even believe your nonsense.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    And someone might even believe your nonsense.

    Just to make it obvious to everyone here , you have myself – someone who has visited western Ukraine several times for decades, speaks Russian and mova……….and then you this wacko, AP – someone who has never been to western Ukraine, can’t speak Ukrainian (proven on abnormal amount of times) and certainly can’t speak Russian, can’t develop these non-language skills to communicate with any Ukrainian who has travelled to USA since the SMO- even if the US government would sponsor him to host these people(!!!) …..and in this farce , this severely disturbed freakshow who can’t do these things is trying to argue about my own anecdotal experiences where this retard was not there!

    I suppose the mental state of this f**khead is similar to that of a killer (paedophile killer in the case of this freak) going back to the scene of their crime. That’s how these sociopaths operate.
    Facts are uncomfortable to some people………they are even more uncomfortable to wakjobs

    For business in Lvov – Russian is absolutely essential in many aspects. For those working in the tourism – Russian absolutely essential. Around the University’s and the whole student areas – Russian is very, very noticeable. You would have to be deaf to not notice the prevalence of Russian in places like Lutsk, Lvov and Ivano-Frankovsk.

    One of the more notorius Ukronazi excrement has said the same thing ( and several others). The amusing thing is that if you accept that the usual BS and contradictions of the ukronazis are for once, true……then this trend is likely to continue.

    https://www.facebook.com/AntinMykharskyi/posts/1111011112621088?ref=embed_post

    AnonFromTN – you can translate for this failed piece of human garbage if you want to – because he sure as f**k can’t.

    On a separate issue, “Ukrainian” on the internet is also extremely low compared to what would be expected. The “Ukrainian conversion” of most of the khokhol patriots on the internet lasted about 2 seconds.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    For business in Lvov – Russian is absolutely essential in many aspects. For those working in the tourism – Russian absolutely essential. Around the University’s and the whole student areas – Russian is very, very noticeable
     
    That is not what you said.

    You wrote:

    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc
     
    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn't know what is going on in the places you've been.

    Russian certainly exists and is noticeable, but it is not the majority in Lviv.

    Lviv is about 15% Russian-speaking, this has been declining every year as the Soviet colonists who came to the city from Russian-speaking areas of the USSR die of old age (their children and grandchildren intermarry and speak Ukrainian). There was a massive exodus of Russian-speakers in 1990, the city was perhaps 40% Russian-speaking in Soviet times.

    In Lviv one does hear Russian spoken by tourists from other, Russian-speaking, regions of Ukraine. A lot of people from Kiev or Kharkiv who couldn't afford to visit Prague would take a train and spend a few days in Lviv, enjoying the city, its cafes, etc. So there is plenty of Russian in the touristy center. One also hears a lot of Russian in Vienna, too, I'm sure at particular times English is overrunning Czech in central Prague, etc.

    As for business - I don't do business there. I imagine they speak Russian if doing business with clients in Kharkiv or Kiev.

    https://www.facebook.com/AntinMykharskyi/posts/1111011112621088?ref=embed_post
     
    That's an interesting observation. He is complaining about more Russian being spoken in Lviv than before (post was from 2019). Apparently people from places like Kiev are buying second homes in that charming city. There are also Russian-speaking "refugees" from Donbas living there and bringing the Russian language with them. So probably the trend has reversed itself and the percentage of Russian-speakers is greater than 15%. With the war, Lviv has seen an even greater influx of easterners. But majority is absurdity. And if they stay, they will assimilate as have the descendants of the Soviet colonists. It is as easy for Russian-speakers to assimilate in an Ukrainian-speaking city as it is for Ukrainian-speakers to assimilate in a Russian-speaking one.

    In Poland they are also complaining about an influx of Russian-speakers from eastern Ukraine and lots of Russian being spoken in Warsaw, so Lviv and Poland have a mutual problem.

    This comment was realistic:

    "Таки туристи. Я як львів'янин відрізняю. Є і місцеві, але місцеві все ж використовують українську в спілкуванні з місцевиими. Хоча є й затяті. То ті, яякі понаїхали в совєтський час."

    AP – someone who has never been to western Ukraine, can’t speak Ukrainian
     
    I had been visiting western and central Ukraine about every 4 years until Covid and the war (so, have not been there since 2017). I might go in 2025. I talk to my cousins every couple of months on facetime/facebook messenger, which is free. I speak Ukrainian well enough to be taken for a native of Lviv when I am in Kiev; in Lviv they ask me how old I was when I moved to the USA (I am the 2nd generation born abroad).

    I can’t think of a single Pole who was a success from the 2 other empires they were cuckholded in (Austrian and Prussian), but in Russian there was plenty. Same thing for Banderetards
     
    There may not have been personal computers if not for this Ukrainian guy from Galicia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubomyr_Romankiw

    https://www.invent.org/inductees/lubomyr-romankiw

    He was a Ukrainian patriot, too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

  376. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    I’m sorry but who is this bitch to try to dictate who is a real Christian and who isn’t?

    That's Candace Owen.

    She initially looks like she could play the role of the ideal conservative Black politician or Con Inc darling. A Fox host or something.

    But then she starts blabbing....

    Candace Owens Declares Taylor Swift To Be ‘Most Toxic Feminist That’s Ever Existed'
    https://www.btimesonline.com/articles/164002/20240215/candace-owens-labels-taylor-swift-most-toxic-feminist-sparks-controversy-at-daily-wire-event.htm

    So Taylor Swift, a pop star who sings and shakes her butt is a more toxic feminist than someone like Gloria Steinem who made this quote:
    Marriage works best for men than women. The two happiest groups are married men and unmarried women.

    Candace has to be completely scripted or she will make comments like that one.

    She also maintains "welfare ruined Black areas" type theories. I'm not a fan of welfare but Black areas were never Wakanda. These Con Inc hucksters don't have a 1950s city they can point to as the model.

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    She also maintains “welfare ruined Black areas” type theories. I’m not a fan of welfare but Black areas were never Wakanda. These Con Inc hucksters don’t have a 1950s city they can point to as the model.

    I tend to believe Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams who actually grew up in black ghettos in the North about the premise that they got worse.

    [MORE]

    Don’t see why they would lie about it. Intelligent black men are really in demand, and they certainly never had to pimp themselves to conservatives to be rewarded. (Not necessarily the case with Candace).

    Don’t know if I trust the interpretation fully, but I do trust the observation.

    However, it is just not a saleable message to blacks, no matter how you package it. The media complex spins the narrative that everything about the past was worse.

    Possibly a large part of the answer is that welfare and connections incentivized less intelligent blacks from the South to migrate North, whereas before there had been a bit of a filter, when it was pioneers. And then there are cultural thresholds, that move depending on the percent.

    Then there was drugs and dysgenics.

  377. @AP
    Our former host wrote a generally excellent comment on Navalny's death:

    What does Putin gain from this?

    I don't know - ask him! What does he gain from insisting a Russian Koran burner be tried in Chechnya? What does he gain from insisting on week long quarantines on people who want to meet with him? Why are you posing questions to a monke and expecting rational answers?

    My guess is, much like how he felt after ordering the downing of the Prigozhin aircraft (murdering a civilian stewardess and two pilots in the process). Like a big important capo wielding the power of life and death over his subjects.

    The more germane question is what Russia gains from this but it also happens to be an irrelevant one, all Russian politics revolves around the random whims of a deranged boomer.

    Navalny was ill and died from natural causes

    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero. Putin has a record of trying to kill Navalny through poisoning; he was moved to an ultra-remote prison colony the month before; and the idea it would happen exactly one month before Putin's reelection (given his liking for symbolic dates) all strain the limits of credibility on the assumption that Putin didn't order or okay the operation.

    Even on the off chance it really was from natural causes, he is culpable for creating the conditions in which Navalny's health deteriorated to this point, without medical intervention.

    It was a CIA operation to discredit Putin and make him into a martyr.

    Allow for a moment that this is true. What does it say, then, that Putin, who has ruled Russia for nearly a quarter of a century, has created such a dysfunctional and penetrated state that foreign agents are free to run amok and whack his enemies (to make him look bad) even in the most remote Arctic penal colony? Even as Russia is engaged in an "existential war" against the countries of those agents in Ukraine? How does this bizarro theory even make Putin look good? Why would you support such a loser?

    But what about Gonzalo Lira?

    Gonzalo Lira was older, fatter, allegedly suffering from a terminal disease, and in jail on charges that most any country would prosecute. Even so, I said that letting this happen was an extremely bad idea on Ukraine's part - the correct play was deportation

    But what about Snowden? Assange? Ashli Babbitt?

    All irrelevant whataboutisms. I have consistently opposed and condemned US regime harassment of Assange and Snowden. However, neither were murdered, and it's extremely improbable that this will ever change. Moreover, one of them is a foreigner (which makes US actions all the more illegitimate, but even so), while the other is, though a moral paragon, a traitor in the narrow legal term of the word. Navalny was a Russian citizen (not a foreigner) whose treason amounted to making the Putin clique look bad and corrupt.

    Many if not all countries would shoot protesters trying to storm their parliament; Russia would certainly be one of them.

    Navalny was a Nazi and a racist ethnonationalist.

    He abandoned fash-adjacent views more than a decade ago. It's not reasonable to project them to today's persona, and after his poisoning - let alone his murder - in distinctly bad taste.

    In any case, even if he was still all that, what substantive difference to the legality or lack thereof of murdering him does that make?

    Hail Putler for whacking an American agent and traitor!

    The only Z argument I respect. These people are, all else aside, at least honest.

    Amusingly enough, the only other major class of ideologues who are celebrating are NAFO and Ukrainian nationalists, who are still butthurt over Navalny's insistence several years ago that Crimeans are not a "sandwich" to be traded back and forth. (As I pointed out, it's indicative in the sense that this is exactly how they see Crimeans and Donbassers).

    Good company both of whom strongly deserve each other.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Derer, @Gerard1234

    You do realise he was released from Russia into Germany you dumb shithead?

    You do realise that he then willingly came back to be arrested and imprisoned?

    Does even a bimbo fantasist as yourself realise that, clearly, and to the annoyance of many – they actually refused to jail him for years, even as the (blatant) crimes were accumulating – giving Navalny suspended sentences.

    has created such a dysfunctional and penetrated state that foreign agents are free to run amok and whack his enemies (to make him look bad)

    LOL – the lies about Skripal, Litvinenko, some british homo in a bag, possibly Berezovsky, Lisin in the US, the Chechen terrorist in Germany……….but as these high profile murders under strict Anglo-American-German intelligence surveillance/protection are done- Putin is “incompetent” for a clown that the Russian state has repeatedly refused to jail – but tried to exile out of the country!

    Epstein????

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234

    My post was a cut and paste of Karlin and what he wrote is correct.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  378. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...comparing some loser chick who dated foreign men not for love... to a guy who had a choice of remaining in the West and be safe, but who chose to go back to Russia to represent his people and his values...the first individual is a borderline whore, while the second individual is what looks like could be a real martyr.
     
    I never said Butina wasn't in love - these gun nuts can be quite appealing. But she did nothing and was sent to prison - for the same thing as Navalny, based in an identical law about foreign money and agents in US and Russia. Navalny also had a fraud conviction and he jumped probation.

    Was he a martyr? He shouldn't have died, but his support in Russia was at most 5%. Who was martyring himself for? NY Times?


    Not on their behalf, it is just an overlap with some Western interests..
     
    An overlap? So one can represent "foreign interests", take their money and it is ok because he sincerely believes in it. That is a broad category - it would allow foreign countries to do almost anything, all it takes is to claim that one is sincere. By the way, Butina who you for some reason don't care about, sincerely believed in the gun culture. We can all play that game.

    I am against those laws, but you must be consistent - they are also used in US and EU.


    I have no objection to that whatsoever as long as the Swedish people agree
     
    How about if the Russian people agree? In Navalny's case in spite of more than a decade of open political activity the huge majority of Russians didn't.

    I am trying to be consistent. When you say we need BOTH, I agree - but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first? Why don't the Westies teach by example? You know the answer - they don't believe in it, it is a 'values' charade to use on enemies and ignore at home.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @LatW

    When you say we need BOTH, I agree – but why should Russia (the weaker side) go first?

    How is Russia even “the weaker side” when they get backing from Iran, North Korean and even possibly China (yes, China is sending non-lethal military supplies apparently)? Then you keep saying they have the upper hand in the region – well, which one is it?

  379. @Dmitry
    @John Johnson



    *In official statistics, last month 0,95% of Russian citizens celebrated Christmas, increasing compared to 2023, 0,89%.
     
    Is that from Candace?
     
    This is official data of the Russian Orthodox Church. Each Russian Orthodox church counts each person who enters the door of the church, maybe they have electronic counters. They publicize the data to celebrate in a scientific way.

    In the 1990s, when the numbers of visitors were growing and peak, they begin to count them. Since the 1990s, the quantity slowly falls as older people died.

    In the 1990s it was a time of cultural confusion and a little excitement in the postsoviet countries and there was a time Christianity was almost fashionable. My mother was interested in Christianity for a couple before I was born. These were soviet people who had sometimes very little knowledge about religion. After the 1990s, generally young people have more knowledge about religion and the church has a lot of funding. In the data, religious people became even more of a minority sect.

    @LatW


    She wants to flirt with the Russian pseudo-Reich
     
    I think she is an isolationist with external policy. She is a interested about Ukraine, views this like a Nazi society which persecutes Christianity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BdtMv-vyn0

    The views relate more to internal American arguments than interest about other countries. I was watching this week about Tucker Carlson. He was in the supermarket in Russia and buys the trolley.

    Median salary was around 50 thousand rubles per month last year. His trolley was 9481 rubles. He spends in the supermarket trolley from minimum of 6 days of income for half of all Russian workers.

    https://twitter.com/runews/status/1758076324277522591

    Replies: @John Johnson, @songbird

    You will have to decide the merit of it:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarket_scanner_moment

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @songbird

    9,5 thousand rubles used to be perceived as high costs. For the context in Russia, there are signs in the street for something like construction workers like "workers wanted, we pay you 1000 rubles a day". When the Nintendo Switch was released, I asked a question to the Russian gaming forum about who was going to buy the Switch and people in that time have been replying mostly in statements similar to "5000 rubles to buy a game, this is for the moneybags".

    For the film, Carlson visits the French supermarket chain "Auchan", which inside a shopping mall, in Moscow.

    At 1:24 he believes this is 'fresh Russian bread'. It seems, he doesn't know, it is not fresh bread, it is reheated bread, using cheap chemicals in the factory.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7p2um4uLI

    I guess, Carlson is real upper class, so he doesn't buy food, normally. Maybe, he has personal assistants who go to the organic bakery to refill the cupboards inside the house with high quality food. He doesn't know supermarket bread are fake things only visually similar to the handmade bread from the bakery in Martha's Vineyard.

    His reporting is very reliable someways, like he shows the cost of products on the cash register. At 2:35, he gives a very good observation about the Westernized products.

    In these ways, Russia has been Americanizing fast especially in the last 10 years. When you are comparing visiting Israel to Russia this year, many superficial things seem a lot more Americanized in Russia than in Israel. Shopping is one of the examples, it's a lot more Americanized in Russian big cities than in Israel. It's also more Americanized now than some European countries like Netherlands or Italy.

    Visiting the French supermarket chain in Moscow, he almost cannot say anything which is "culture shock" except the outside trolley escalator which is also not normal in Russia, because of the rapid speed of the globalization where perhaps the Northern cultures are less resisting.

    -


    Carlson seems like he wants investment in public transport, he was very happy about the metro where people are crowded in a narrow space in a "communist" way. This is usually more common for people from areas like New York? Even being in the upper class, Trump said he used the metro to go to school everyday.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

  380. @John Johnson
    @Dmitry

    This is official data of the Russian Orthodox Church. Each Russian Orthodox church counts each person who enters the door of the church, maybe they have electronic counters. They publicize the data to celebrate in a scientific way.

    But you acknowledge that Ukraine has a higher percentage of Christians than Russia?

    I think she is an isolationist with external policy. She is a interested about Ukraine, views this like a Nazi society which persecutes Christianity.

    She is a Qanon dingbat and in a few weeks she could be talking about toasters that have listening devices.

    You are probably unaware of how she bombs unscripted interviews.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx_qtG_mfrU

    She didn't know there were multiple moon landings.

    The conservative Sheila Jackson "Two Vietnams" Lee.

    Tucker Carlson visited a Russian grocery store and was amazed at the variety and prices.

    Wow anecdotal observations from a Putin defender and former CNN host who was caught lying about his multi-year support for Trump. Now that's a report you can trust!

    Are Russians still standing in line for eggs or has that been fixed?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    IoT = Internet of Toasters?

    Coming soon, the AI-based toaster. Perfect for your two minutes of hate, gives perfectly burned toast every time!

    Available at Wally World.

    +++

    It is surprising that she did not know there were several lunar landing missions.

  381. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    A vlogger named George Webb made a persuasive case that Butina was an actual spy, though low-level. These type of people exist on all sides and sometimes are swept up in events. The situation with Evan Gershkovich might be similar, though I think he was caught red handed.

    Butina is not a good parallel with Navalny. Navalny seems like a politician supported by foreign governments to stir up trouble. In some countries you can only get away with this if the support is from Israel. The West may have wanted Navalny to become a more successful irritant, along the lines of Juan Guaido in Venezuela.

    +++

    I wonder if Navalny is still alive? Maybe he was promoted to groundskeeper at Putin's palace. Prigozhin probably runs the kitchen. There is plenty of room for other players from our Russian rogues' gallery. Zelensky has probably applied for the position of piano player.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Navalny seems like a politician supported by foreign governments to stir up trouble…the West may have wanted Navalny to become a more successful irritant, along the lines of Juan Guaido in Venezuela.

    Guidado got elected – he was chairman of the Parliament, Navalny didn’t get elected to anything. There are no accurate parallels, I said so, this is about common features of all these laws – they can be easily abused, and they are abused in the West all the time. If Butina was a low-level spy (what is that?) they would charge her with it.

    If we fund a “law-and-order” political initiative in Malmo and get like-minded locals to manage it, Sweden will shut it down in no time – it doesn’t fit their ideology. Freedom or not, they wouldn’t allow it. Imagine that Russia would do it – it would be called an “invasion”, any locals would be rounded up and charged. And Sweden is a relatively sober country.

    That’s what Navalny was doing in Russia. In an ideal world this would be ok and nobody would care – but we are in a war-like confrontation. My point is that both sides do what they think they must. But the Western hypocrisy is just too much…as if they lost any sense of objectivity.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    If we fund a “law-and-order” political initiative in Malmo and get like-minded locals to manage it, Sweden will shut it down in no time – it doesn’t fit their ideology. Freedom or not, they wouldn’t allow it. Imagine that Russia would do it – it would be called an “invasion”, any locals would be rounded up and charged. And Sweden is a relatively sober country.
     
    That's not how it works in Sweden anymore these days. It's no longer primarily about ideology but about public safety, peace. They are just mitigating at this point. For example, if there was a group that acted against migrants or a group that went out to protest some far right activist who had been imprisoned, then, yes, they might police that group, partly so that the opposite side (the antifas and the "concerned public" wearing pink hats) would not react and cause disturbances. This is the reality in Western Europe these days. The authorities want to prevent a BLM style chimp out with windows being smashed and businesses looted. Thus they have such vigilance. The prevalent ideology does come into the picture, but it is not the primary motivation for policing the streets. And even the ideology has changed in Sweden recently.

    It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical "law-and-order" political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention. Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external "help" (which isn't always even real help). They should lead by example, as has always been the case. The best law and order group is the one consisting of local militias - and the Swedish men would look very good in that context, because they can be physically quite impressive. So their mere presence, with the right attitude, should be enough to make any delinquents back off or calm down (or hopefully - leave for good). When it comes to their attitude, they don't even have to go too far and become too aggressive - even if you add just a little bit of national or selfish assertiveness, literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  382. @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry


    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch? Do you remember was it feeling like the city was going upwards or downwards?
     
    I lived near Lvov, not in it. Anyway, I was too little to have sophisticated impressions. Last time I was in Lvov ~30 years ago. I remember that I surprised my wife by automatically switching to local language (to my own surprise I did not forget it). Lvov was fairly nice back then, with plenty of little cafes where you could get good coffee and tasty baked sweets of various kinds (tistechky in local lingo). At the time I never was outside of the USSR. Now I can say that Lvov was like a mini-Prague, and their quality and variety of baked sweets were second only to provincial France. Again, I was in France many years ago and have very positive memories of it, but now a lot of bloggers say that you should not go to Paris, it’s half way to Dakar. It is probably worse: I was in Kenya recently and actually liked Nairobi (did not like their professional child beggars, though).

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    What about the small group, many of them looking impropt, open-air concerts? Always pleasant to hear good classical musicians play on the street/outdoor terrace area of bar spreading onto street etc. Quite a unique thing about Lvov in the country.

    This is where Lvov best mimic Paris, Vienna – though obviously it does not have near the grandeur level of these places.

    and their quality and variety of baked sweets were second only to provincial France

    Always prefered the Scandinavian stuff I must say!

    It is probably worse: I was in Kenya recently and actually liked Nairobi (did not like their professional child beggars, though)

    Though of course not representative of the average social-economic situation of an American – it is the only country where a woman holding written cards (claiming) to be a mute, and claiming to have a newborn child ………did walk up to us and ask for 50 dollars ( this was about 1997 and in Florida).

    Didn’t see anybody trying to do any “hitchhiking” during driving in America……..something I thought was supposed to be very common.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Gerard1234

    I think hitch-hiking has dropped throughout the west, partly because (until recently) a lot more young people drove, and also because awareness of the dangers has grown (Fred West and his wife picked up and killed hitchhikers).

    I hitched quite a bit in the 70s and early 80s, my wife and friends hitched round Europe as far as Greece. We last hitched back from Glastonbury in the 1980s.

    Our daughters have never (afaik) hitched. It's Dad's job to get them!

  383. Well said –

    https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2024/02/05/we-come-not-to-praise-zelensky-but-to-bury-him/comment-page-2/#comment-95540

    And when the Ukrainian forces are defeated, it will be interesting to see whose fault it is. Washington will not want to acknowledge that Russia defeated them, because it cackled early on that Ukraine was kicking the shit out of Russia six ways from Sunday. Likewise, the excuse that Russia is much bigger and stronger will not fly, because that was always true but in the early days Washington claimed it didn’t matter at all, because Ukraine was backed by western money and miracle technology. And nobody who kept the faith all these months will want t o hear that Ukraine fell apart because the west gave it its best shot, and it wasn’t good enough, but that even after that was apparent it encouraged Ukraine to keep fighting and tens of thousands more were killed.

    If you want to get right down to it, Ukraine killed itself, because Ukraine is an educated nation and Ukrainians can do basic math as well as anyone else- it deliberately did not subject Washington’s rah-rah cheerleading to any critical thinking whatever. It was just so nice to suspend disbelief and listen to the ever-agitating western agents of destabilization. But the last who should be blamed for it are the Russians, who were systematically and deliberately forced into a corner with full Ukrainian cooperation, even though Russia has historically been Ukraine’s biggest foreign investor and most-consistent trade partner. Ukraine gleefully listened while the west sold it a bill of goods about alluring and easy prosperity as a European partner, until it willingly severed its old alliances. Now Russia’s GDP “…expanded by 5.5% from the previous year in the third quarter of 2023, matching preliminary estimates and accelerating from the 4.9% growth in the previous three-month period, final reading showed. It was the fastest growth rate since the second quarter of 2021, aided by higher benchmark prices for key Russian commodities, the restoration of supply chains following the West’s exclusion of the country from major financial markets, a low base year due to the war, and the evasion of Western oil price cap.”

    https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual

    And then the west radically downsized its support when continuing meant damaging itself even further, with full knowledge that only that very support had kept Ukraine staggering along as far as it has, where its own GDP “…expanded 0.70 percent in the third quarter of 2023 over the previous quarter. GDP Growth Rate in Ukraine averaged -0.47 percent from 2010 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 9.00 percent in the third quarter of 2022 and a record low of -19.30 percent in the first quarter of 2022.”

    https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp-growth

    The former country is the target of determined western sanctions, and its growth is nonetheless robust and healthy, entirely due to a strong hand on the helm and sensible, perspicacious economic management. The latter country is the recipient of nearly its entire GDP equivalent for 2020 in foreign aid, almost a year’s GDP in gifts and loans it can never hope to repay, and its growth is – to be tremendously charitable – lackluster.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/UKR/ukraine/gdp-gross-domestic-product

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Ouuuch, don't tell AP - he thinks Ukraine is booming.


    Ukraine killed itself, because Ukraine is an educated nation and Ukrainians can do basic math as well as anyone else- it deliberately did not subject Washington’s rah-rah cheerleading to any critical thinking whatever.
     
    Unfortunately true. We can blame the cheerleaders or excuse the Ukies as only puppets - but the truth is that they should had known better. Even very dependent vassal-like countries usually act in a more rational self-preserving way. Ukies didn't.

    Why the Ukies failed to do it? It has to do with their dreamy yearning on cargo-cult levels of infantilism - we have not seen people this clueless since the Europeans encountered stone-age tribes in the tropical jungles. How did open-eyed totally naive infantilism take over a large, advanced Euro nation? People will study it for a long time...but what a complete cluster-f..k...

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AnonfromTN

  384. @songbird
    Had a wisdom tooth removed the other day. Much less painful than I thought it would be. Main unpleasant aspect of it was the dentist stretching my lip back super-far.

    Wouldn't say that I've taken great care of my teeth, but it's the only cavity I've ever had so far. Guessing that it somehow didn't come in right, for it to be so much worse than any other tooth.

    Really surprising to talk to old folks and ask when they got their first tooth out. 11 or 12 are common answers. Used to know a kid whose teeth were full of fillings and it really puzzled me how it was even possible, as I am sure I had a lot of sugar too.

    I think fluoridation of tapwater has really been a miracle. But tapwater has been stigmatized falsely to explain politically incorrect deficits.

    It was explained to me once that Germans don't drink tapwater due to taboos from wartime contamination. But I wonder if it is true.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Last time I checked, the claims of dental health value of fluoride had been broadly rejected and in any case the possible benefit was small compared to negative impacts from ingesting the fluoride. Some dentists stopped giving fluoride treatments decades ago, while cities keep putting the chemical into the water supply for reasons of inertia ($$).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC


    the claims of dental health value of fluoride had been broadly rejected
     
    AFAIK, they have been reproduced time and again, and boomers like Sailer, who are old enough to remember, have personally witnessed rates of cavities falling. You can see old film and sometimes see a young person with a black tooth.

    compared to negative impacts from ingesting the fluoride.

     

    There is a deep psychological impulse towards purity in foods. Many wackjob radicals still have it, even when they pursue open borders and free love. I suspect that some of the religious strictures on food might be related.

    But everything is concentration. Virtually every vitamin and mineral is toxic at high amounts. Conversely, many substances conceived of as being harmful are beneficial in small amounts. (Hormesis.)

    Paracelsus wrote in the 16th century that “all things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose makes something not a poison”.

    The fluoride in toothpaste is in the same chemical form as rat poison, but the concentrations are vastly different. And importantly rats can't throw up.

    while cities keep putting the chemical into the water supply for reasons of inertia ($$).
     
    I should think that treating cavities would be much more financially rewarding.

    Lebanon, without the infrastructure, added it to salt, since the '90s.

    Personally speaking, I would be much more worried about microplastics and estrogen analogues.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

  385. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...Navalny seems like a politician supported by foreign governments to stir up trouble...the West may have wanted Navalny to become a more successful irritant, along the lines of Juan Guaido in Venezuela.
     
    Guidado got elected - he was chairman of the Parliament, Navalny didn't get elected to anything. There are no accurate parallels, I said so, this is about common features of all these laws - they can be easily abused, and they are abused in the West all the time. If Butina was a low-level spy (what is that?) they would charge her with it.

    If we fund a "law-and-order" political initiative in Malmo and get like-minded locals to manage it, Sweden will shut it down in no time - it doesn't fit their ideology. Freedom or not, they wouldn't allow it. Imagine that Russia would do it - it would be called an "invasion", any locals would be rounded up and charged. And Sweden is a relatively sober country.

    That's what Navalny was doing in Russia. In an ideal world this would be ok and nobody would care - but we are in a war-like confrontation. My point is that both sides do what they think they must. But the Western hypocrisy is just too much...as if they lost any sense of objectivity.

    Replies: @LatW

    If we fund a “law-and-order” political initiative in Malmo and get like-minded locals to manage it, Sweden will shut it down in no time – it doesn’t fit their ideology. Freedom or not, they wouldn’t allow it. Imagine that Russia would do it – it would be called an “invasion”, any locals would be rounded up and charged. And Sweden is a relatively sober country.

    That’s not how it works in Sweden anymore these days. It’s no longer primarily about ideology but about public safety, peace. They are just mitigating at this point. For example, if there was a group that acted against migrants or a group that went out to protest some far right activist who had been imprisoned, then, yes, they might police that group, partly so that the opposite side (the antifas and the “concerned public” wearing pink hats) would not react and cause disturbances. This is the reality in Western Europe these days. The authorities want to prevent a BLM style chimp out with windows being smashed and businesses looted. Thus they have such vigilance. The prevalent ideology does come into the picture, but it is not the primary motivation for policing the streets. And even the ideology has changed in Sweden recently.

    It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical “law-and-order” political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention. Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external “help” (which isn’t always even real help). They should lead by example, as has always been the case. The best law and order group is the one consisting of local militias – and the Swedish men would look very good in that context, because they can be physically quite impressive. So their mere presence, with the right attitude, should be enough to make any delinquents back off or calm down (or hopefully – leave for good). When it comes to their attitude, they don’t even have to go too far and become too aggressive – even if you add just a little bit of national or selfish assertiveness, literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @LatW


    "It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical “law-and-order” political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention."
     
    And if it's funded by the usual suspects?

    Cheerful news from the country where the rouble is rubble and washing machines are broken up for their chips... allowing for the fact that this is probably part of a rearmament push.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/15/rate-of-russian-military-production-worries-european-war-planners

    The transformation has put defence at the centre of Russia’s economy. Putin claimed this month that 520,000 new jobs had been created in the military-industrial complex, which now employs an estimated 3.5 million Russians, or 2.5% of the population. Machinists and welders in Russian factories producing war equipment are now making more money than many white-collar managers and lawyers, according to a Moscow Times analysis of Russian labour data in November.

    Putin on Thursday visited Uralvagonzavod, the country’s largest producer of main battle tanks, where workers boasted that it had been among the first to establish round the clock production. The Russian leader promised funding to help train an additional 1,500 qualified employees for the plant.

    As Russia’s war in Ukraine drags into its third year, the massive Russian investment in the military, projected this year to be the largest as a share of GDP since the Soviet Union, has worried European war planners, who have said Nato underestimated Russia’s ability to sustain a long-term war.

    “We still haven’t seen where is Russia’s breaking point,” said Mark Riisik, a deputy director in the policy planning department of Estonia’s defence ministry. “Basically one-third of their national budget is going on military production and on the war in Ukraine … But we don’t know when it will actually impact on society. So it’s a little bit challenging to say when will this stop.”

    “The war has led to an unprecedented redistribution of wealth, with the poorer classes profiting from government spending on the military-industrial complex,” said Denis Volkov, the director of the Levada Center, a polling and sociological research firm in Moscow. “Workers at military factories and families of soldiers fighting in Ukraine suddenly have much more money to spend. Their income has increased dramatically.”

    Levada’s polling showed that 5-6% of those who “previously did not have enough money to buy consumer goods like a fridge now have moved upwards towards the middle classes”.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    , @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    If Navalny had ever got a sniff at Power as some kind of Russian ethnonationalist, on platform rejecting the Eurasians nearby half the white people in Moscow would end up dead in short order. Blockades by the Mongols to the east and the Poles to the west, with no resupply from the Anglo Saxons this time.

    There’s some legitimacy to the theory white nationalists in the US are cannon fodder for the enemies of the US state.

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...That’s not how it works in Sweden anymore these days.
     
    That's not how it works in Russia either. That's why foreign money funding political activity is a stupid idea, it doesn't work, it is only a subterfuge to meddle and achieve other goals. That's why Sweden, US, France ban it. And also Russia.. Navalny violated that law. If you don't like the law, have you also objected to its Western versions?

    Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external “help”...Swedish men would look very good in that context...literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.
     
    But they don't stand up. One wonders why. You are too much into this "Viking" mythology: Viking is a latter-day name for the Scandie pirates who rowed shallow seas to rob others. Most died doing it and their genetic composition was decisively mixed - bands of pirates are always very multi-cultural, anyone with an axe can join.

    Scandies of today are descendants of the peaceful farmers-shepherds who were much more likely to be victims of those Vikings. The nobility is heavily French-Italian-German. No Vikings there. Maybe that's why the Scandies are taking it like helpless pups, they don't have the 'magical' Viking DNA.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

  386. @Mikhail
    Well said -

    https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2024/02/05/we-come-not-to-praise-zelensky-but-to-bury-him/comment-page-2/#comment-95540

    And when the Ukrainian forces are defeated, it will be interesting to see whose fault it is. Washington will not want to acknowledge that Russia defeated them, because it cackled early on that Ukraine was kicking the shit out of Russia six ways from Sunday. Likewise, the excuse that Russia is much bigger and stronger will not fly, because that was always true but in the early days Washington claimed it didn’t matter at all, because Ukraine was backed by western money and miracle technology. And nobody who kept the faith all these months will want t o hear that Ukraine fell apart because the west gave it its best shot, and it wasn’t good enough, but that even after that was apparent it encouraged Ukraine to keep fighting and tens of thousands more were killed.

    If you want to get right down to it, Ukraine killed itself, because Ukraine is an educated nation and Ukrainians can do basic math as well as anyone else- it deliberately did not subject Washington’s rah-rah cheerleading to any critical thinking whatever. It was just so nice to suspend disbelief and listen to the ever-agitating western agents of destabilization. But the last who should be blamed for it are the Russians, who were systematically and deliberately forced into a corner with full Ukrainian cooperation, even though Russia has historically been Ukraine’s biggest foreign investor and most-consistent trade partner. Ukraine gleefully listened while the west sold it a bill of goods about alluring and easy prosperity as a European partner, until it willingly severed its old alliances. Now Russia’s GDP “…expanded by 5.5% from the previous year in the third quarter of 2023, matching preliminary estimates and accelerating from the 4.9% growth in the previous three-month period, final reading showed. It was the fastest growth rate since the second quarter of 2021, aided by higher benchmark prices for key Russian commodities, the restoration of supply chains following the West’s exclusion of the country from major financial markets, a low base year due to the war, and the evasion of Western oil price cap.”

    https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual

    And then the west radically downsized its support when continuing meant damaging itself even further, with full knowledge that only that very support had kept Ukraine staggering along as far as it has, where its own GDP “…expanded 0.70 percent in the third quarter of 2023 over the previous quarter. GDP Growth Rate in Ukraine averaged -0.47 percent from 2010 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 9.00 percent in the third quarter of 2022 and a record low of -19.30 percent in the first quarter of 2022.”

    https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp-growth

    The former country is the target of determined western sanctions, and its growth is nonetheless robust and healthy, entirely due to a strong hand on the helm and sensible, perspicacious economic management. The latter country is the recipient of nearly its entire GDP equivalent for 2020 in foreign aid, almost a year’s GDP in gifts and loans it can never hope to repay, and its growth is – to be tremendously charitable – lackluster.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/UKR/ukraine/gdp-gross-domestic-product
     

    Replies: @Beckow

    Ouuuch, don’t tell AP – he thinks Ukraine is booming.

    Ukraine killed itself, because Ukraine is an educated nation and Ukrainians can do basic math as well as anyone else- it deliberately did not subject Washington’s rah-rah cheerleading to any critical thinking whatever.

    Unfortunately true. We can blame the cheerleaders or excuse the Ukies as only puppets – but the truth is that they should had known better. Even very dependent vassal-like countries usually act in a more rational self-preserving way. Ukies didn’t.

    Why the Ukies failed to do it? It has to do with their dreamy yearning on cargo-cult levels of infantilism – we have not seen people this clueless since the Europeans encountered stone-age tribes in the tropical jungles. How did open-eyed totally naive infantilism take over a large, advanced Euro nation? People will study it for a long time…but what a complete cluster-f..k…

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    A sensible US military man with State Dept experience:

    Col. Lawrence Wilkerson: War and Debt
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsoIXB4CHA0

    A related commentary of his with former CIA analyst Ray McGovern -

    https://consortiumnews.com/2024/02/16/throwing-good-money-after-bad-in-ukraine/

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    People will study it for a long time…
     
    As Hegel said, we learn from history that we do not learn from history. NATO cheerfully walked into the trap that ruined Napoleon and Hitler. It is very likely that in 50-80 years anther bunch of morons will walk into exact same trap yet again.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  387. @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Ouuuch, don't tell AP - he thinks Ukraine is booming.


    Ukraine killed itself, because Ukraine is an educated nation and Ukrainians can do basic math as well as anyone else- it deliberately did not subject Washington’s rah-rah cheerleading to any critical thinking whatever.
     
    Unfortunately true. We can blame the cheerleaders or excuse the Ukies as only puppets - but the truth is that they should had known better. Even very dependent vassal-like countries usually act in a more rational self-preserving way. Ukies didn't.

    Why the Ukies failed to do it? It has to do with their dreamy yearning on cargo-cult levels of infantilism - we have not seen people this clueless since the Europeans encountered stone-age tribes in the tropical jungles. How did open-eyed totally naive infantilism take over a large, advanced Euro nation? People will study it for a long time...but what a complete cluster-f..k...

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AnonfromTN

    A sensible US military man with State Dept experience:

    Col. Lawrence Wilkerson: War and Debt

    A related commentary of his with former CIA analyst Ray McGovern –

    https://consortiumnews.com/2024/02/16/throwing-good-money-after-bad-in-ukraine/

  388. @LatW
    @Beckow


    If we fund a “law-and-order” political initiative in Malmo and get like-minded locals to manage it, Sweden will shut it down in no time – it doesn’t fit their ideology. Freedom or not, they wouldn’t allow it. Imagine that Russia would do it – it would be called an “invasion”, any locals would be rounded up and charged. And Sweden is a relatively sober country.
     
    That's not how it works in Sweden anymore these days. It's no longer primarily about ideology but about public safety, peace. They are just mitigating at this point. For example, if there was a group that acted against migrants or a group that went out to protest some far right activist who had been imprisoned, then, yes, they might police that group, partly so that the opposite side (the antifas and the "concerned public" wearing pink hats) would not react and cause disturbances. This is the reality in Western Europe these days. The authorities want to prevent a BLM style chimp out with windows being smashed and businesses looted. Thus they have such vigilance. The prevalent ideology does come into the picture, but it is not the primary motivation for policing the streets. And even the ideology has changed in Sweden recently.

    It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical "law-and-order" political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention. Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external "help" (which isn't always even real help). They should lead by example, as has always been the case. The best law and order group is the one consisting of local militias - and the Swedish men would look very good in that context, because they can be physically quite impressive. So their mere presence, with the right attitude, should be enough to make any delinquents back off or calm down (or hopefully - leave for good). When it comes to their attitude, they don't even have to go too far and become too aggressive - even if you add just a little bit of national or selfish assertiveness, literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    “It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical “law-and-order” political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention.”

    And if it’s funded by the usual suspects?

    Cheerful news from the country where the rouble is rubble and washing machines are broken up for their chips… allowing for the fact that this is probably part of a rearmament push.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/15/rate-of-russian-military-production-worries-european-war-planners

    The transformation has put defence at the centre of Russia’s economy. Putin claimed this month that 520,000 new jobs had been created in the military-industrial complex, which now employs an estimated 3.5 million Russians, or 2.5% of the population. Machinists and welders in Russian factories producing war equipment are now making more money than many white-collar managers and lawyers, according to a Moscow Times analysis of Russian labour data in November.

    Putin on Thursday visited Uralvagonzavod, the country’s largest producer of main battle tanks, where workers boasted that it had been among the first to establish round the clock production. The Russian leader promised funding to help train an additional 1,500 qualified employees for the plant.

    As Russia’s war in Ukraine drags into its third year, the massive Russian investment in the military, projected this year to be the largest as a share of GDP since the Soviet Union, has worried European war planners, who have said Nato underestimated Russia’s ability to sustain a long-term war.

    “We still haven’t seen where is Russia’s breaking point,” said Mark Riisik, a deputy director in the policy planning department of Estonia’s defence ministry. “Basically one-third of their national budget is going on military production and on the war in Ukraine … But we don’t know when it will actually impact on society. So it’s a little bit challenging to say when will this stop.”

    “The war has led to an unprecedented redistribution of wealth, with the poorer classes profiting from government spending on the military-industrial complex,” said Denis Volkov, the director of the Levada Center, a polling and sociological research firm in Moscow. “Workers at military factories and families of soldiers fighting in Ukraine suddenly have much more money to spend. Their income has increased dramatically.”

    Levada’s polling showed that 5-6% of those who “previously did not have enough money to buy consumer goods like a fridge now have moved upwards towards the middle classes”.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @YetAnotherAnon

    War is great for business. Stay out of the lines of fire now.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @LatW
    @YetAnotherAnon


    And if it’s funded by the usual suspects?
     
    It goes both ways - the US State Department funds groups that are harmful for Europe. This is just as bad as if Russia were to fund some "insurgency" in Europe to stoke chaos. It's time for both of these to go.
  389. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    What about the small group, many of them looking impropt, open-air concerts? Always pleasant to hear good classical musicians play on the street/outdoor terrace area of bar spreading onto street etc. Quite a unique thing about Lvov in the country.

    This is where Lvov best mimic Paris, Vienna - though obviously it does not have near the grandeur level of these places.


    and their quality and variety of baked sweets were second only to provincial France
     
    Always prefered the Scandinavian stuff I must say!

    It is probably worse: I was in Kenya recently and actually liked Nairobi (did not like their professional child beggars, though)
     
    Though of course not representative of the average social-economic situation of an American - it is the only country where a woman holding written cards (claiming) to be a mute, and claiming to have a newborn child .........did walk up to us and ask for 50 dollars ( this was about 1997 and in Florida).

    Didn't see anybody trying to do any "hitchhiking" during driving in America........something I thought was supposed to be very common.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I think hitch-hiking has dropped throughout the west, partly because (until recently) a lot more young people drove, and also because awareness of the dangers has grown (Fred West and his wife picked up and killed hitchhikers).

    I hitched quite a bit in the 70s and early 80s, my wife and friends hitched round Europe as far as Greece. We last hitched back from Glastonbury in the 1980s.

    Our daughters have never (afaik) hitched. It’s Dad’s job to get them!

  390. @QCIC
    @songbird

    Last time I checked, the claims of dental health value of fluoride had been broadly rejected and in any case the possible benefit was small compared to negative impacts from ingesting the fluoride. Some dentists stopped giving fluoride treatments decades ago, while cities keep putting the chemical into the water supply for reasons of inertia ($$).

    Replies: @songbird

    the claims of dental health value of fluoride had been broadly rejected

    AFAIK, they have been reproduced time and again, and boomers like Sailer, who are old enough to remember, have personally witnessed rates of cavities falling. You can see old film and sometimes see a young person with a black tooth.

    [MORE]

    compared to negative impacts from ingesting the fluoride.

    There is a deep psychological impulse towards purity in foods. Many wackjob radicals still have it, even when they pursue open borders and free love. I suspect that some of the religious strictures on food might be related.

    But everything is concentration. Virtually every vitamin and mineral is toxic at high amounts. Conversely, many substances conceived of as being harmful are beneficial in small amounts. (Hormesis.)

    Paracelsus wrote in the 16th century that “all things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose makes something not a poison”.

    The fluoride in toothpaste is in the same chemical form as rat poison, but the concentrations are vastly different. And importantly rats can’t throw up.

    while cities keep putting the chemical into the water supply for reasons of inertia ($$).

    I should think that treating cavities would be much more financially rewarding.

    Lebanon, without the infrastructure, added it to salt, since the ’90s.

    Personally speaking, I would be much more worried about microplastics and estrogen analogues.

    • Replies: @AP
    @songbird

    QCIC collects dumb conspiracy theories and believes them all. It’s completely unsurprising that he thinks there is a conspiracy around fluoride. It goes hand-in-hand with his Ukraine takes.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird


    Conversely, many substances conceived of as being harmful are beneficial in small amounts. (Hormesis.)
     
    What's a beneficial hormesis level for smoking cigarettes?

    Have you ever told your girlfriend that swallowing your semen was good for her health?

    Here's the list of nutrients baby.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/did-you-know-semen-actually-contains-nutrients-we-tell-you-8-seriously-bizarre-semen-facts/photostory/69219345.cms

    Replies: @songbird

  391. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Biden doesn’t have the balls to debate Trump…or anyone for that matter. Why do you always worry about bad stuff in far away countries but ignore it at home?

    More cheerleading projection from Beckow.

    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It's actually possible to not support Biden or Putin. Maybe in 5 or 10 years you will grasp the possibility that it's possible to oppose Biden and also a 5'1 mass murdering dictator. You don't have to grab pom-poms and pick a side.

    Navalny run for mayor in Moscow and lost with 27%

    All the more reason to not fear him.

    You just made up an “opposition leader” to your liking.

    I made up Navalny as an opposition leader? I didn't use that term so I don't know who you are quoting. How would you describe him? A man looking for solitude in Siberia?

    Can we call Robert Kennedy the main opposition in US?

    You can call him whatever you want.

    The real point is that he is free to run because this isn't a totalitarian state where an angry dwarf kills the competition.

    Another genius PR move by the dwarf.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DWsJqN4qsU

    Tries to depict himself as reasonable in the Tucker interview and then kills the opposition even though he was already imprisoned.

    Oh and Trump lost his fraud case:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-hit-with-4535-million-penalty-in-new-york-real-estate-fraud-lawsuit/ar-BB1ioIVi

    In America it isn't legal to kill the competition and it also isn't legal to add 9 floors to a building in a loan application and then claim it wasn't fraud because you paid the loan back. And we still have the documents case which is the worst one. Not looking good for Putin fans.

    Replies: @Matra, @Beckow

    The real point is that he is free to run because this isn’t a totalitarian state where an angry dwarf kills the competition.

    Your ruling class is currently using lawfare to bankrupt and even imprison the main competition to your dear leader. When Trump was President they even invented a conspiracy theory about Russian collusion and used their control of the media to propagate the conspiracy theory. Civil servants, within his government even doctored documents on behalf of their commitment to the conspiracy theory and got away with slaps on the wrist, even becoming heroes promoted by your, in effect, state media. The idea that after the last decade the US is in a position to lecture Russia or anyone else is laughable to virtually everyone on earth who is not brainwashed by the American media complex.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Matra


    in a position to lecture
     
    Nobody has the right to lecture somebody else. But the experience of other countries sometimes comes in handy. E.g., American corrupt senile half-corpse followed in the footsteps of Zimbabwean corrupt senile half-corps and “won the election”. It is highly unlikely, though, that American military will find the cojones to do what Zimbabwean military did with the “winner”.
    , @Mikel
    @Matra


    The idea that after the last decade the US is in a position to lecture Russia or anyone else is laughable to virtually everyone on earth who is not brainwashed by the American media complex.
     
    What you write here is all sadly true and I think that things keep actually getting worse in the US. Multiple trials against the presidential candidate leading in the polls, all clearly politically motivated and coordinated to take place during the election year, is totally unprecedented. It's Beria's principle of "find me the man and I'll find his crime" playing out before our eyes while the majority of the media act as if was just ordinary justice being delivered. Even here at Unz we see simpletons like JoJo brainwashed by that media and believing that fines of hundreds of millions of dollars for trying to inflate your assets in a loan application that the banks accepted after valuing the assets down by themselves is normal judicial practice.

    However, I think that it is important to keep the compass straight. Things have deteriorated markedly in the last years but we've all known much higher levels of freedom that we should try to return to. I think that democracy still works reasonably well in some European countries, even though the seeds of corruption and mass censorship are also present there, and European societies don't have the vitality that you can still find in the US to some extent (hence Trump's victory in 2016 and the subsequent antidemocratic reaction of TPTB).

    Democracy in the West was probably always controlled to some extent or another but even an open Putin supporter like AnonfromTN, who has lived here for over 30 years, acknowledges that he's seen more freedom and less dysfunction in the past. However, contrary to what some Westerners seem to start thinking, countries like Russia and China have very little to offer if the objective is to return to the best traditions of the West. They lived under tyrants for basically all of their history, while people in Western countries enjoyed high levels of personal freedom combined with prosperity that they never achieved.

    I don't even think that Eastern Europe in general is too much of a role model. For the time being they're certainly in a much better shape when it comes to Western problems like wokeness but they also come from a dictatorial past, are still trying to catch up to the West and I don't think that they realize too well how abnormal the current situation in the West is. If most of the regular commenters we have here from that region are anything to go by, all they care about is that the political forces in the West align with their narrow anti-Russian interests. It's hard to think of worse allies in the combat against media distortion and mass censorship. As long as both work in their interest, they seem to be totally fine with them. See that Estonian politician calling for Tucker's travel ban to the EU as an example. Not too surprising, considering their own recent past.

    Replies: @Matra, @AnonfromTN

  392. @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Ouuuch, don't tell AP - he thinks Ukraine is booming.


    Ukraine killed itself, because Ukraine is an educated nation and Ukrainians can do basic math as well as anyone else- it deliberately did not subject Washington’s rah-rah cheerleading to any critical thinking whatever.
     
    Unfortunately true. We can blame the cheerleaders or excuse the Ukies as only puppets - but the truth is that they should had known better. Even very dependent vassal-like countries usually act in a more rational self-preserving way. Ukies didn't.

    Why the Ukies failed to do it? It has to do with their dreamy yearning on cargo-cult levels of infantilism - we have not seen people this clueless since the Europeans encountered stone-age tribes in the tropical jungles. How did open-eyed totally naive infantilism take over a large, advanced Euro nation? People will study it for a long time...but what a complete cluster-f..k...

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AnonfromTN

    People will study it for a long time…

    As Hegel said, we learn from history that we do not learn from history. NATO cheerfully walked into the trap that ruined Napoleon and Hitler. It is very likely that in 50-80 years anther bunch of morons will walk into exact same trap yet again.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN


    As Hegel said, we learn from history that we do not learn from history. NATO cheerfully walked into the trap that ruined Napoleon and Hitler. It is very likely that in 50-80 years anther bunch of morons will walk into exact same trap yet again.
     
    Polish scum large role in both those invasions should also be noted.
    Don't know if it's considered fact that without Louisiana Purchase, then Napoleon would not have ability to afford invasion of Russia?

    The other similarity with Napolean and Hitler is that nearly all of Europe was either occupied, subordinate or cuckholded by the French, and British naval blockade.just as for WW2

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

  393. @Matra
    @John Johnson

    The real point is that he is free to run because this isn’t a totalitarian state where an angry dwarf kills the competition.

    Your ruling class is currently using lawfare to bankrupt and even imprison the main competition to your dear leader. When Trump was President they even invented a conspiracy theory about Russian collusion and used their control of the media to propagate the conspiracy theory. Civil servants, within his government even doctored documents on behalf of their commitment to the conspiracy theory and got away with slaps on the wrist, even becoming heroes promoted by your, in effect, state media. The idea that after the last decade the US is in a position to lecture Russia or anyone else is laughable to virtually everyone on earth who is not brainwashed by the American media complex.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    in a position to lecture

    Nobody has the right to lecture somebody else. But the experience of other countries sometimes comes in handy. E.g., American corrupt senile half-corpse followed in the footsteps of Zimbabwean corrupt senile half-corps and “won the election”. It is highly unlikely, though, that American military will find the cojones to do what Zimbabwean military did with the “winner”.

  394. @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch? Do you remember was it feeling like the city was going upwards or downwards?

    In the 1970s, this city had many successful factories and research institutes. In the 1990s, much of their industry had collapsed. It's now viewed like a post-industrial hub of politics and shiny streets instead of factories.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    What are your memories like about how your life was when you were living in Lvov back in the soviet epoch

    He said he was under 4 years old when he left. What would he have actually remembered?

    In the 1970s, this city had many successful factories and research institutes. In the 1990s, much of their industry had collapsed

    Correct. One of my uncles was chief engineer at a secret factory that produced electronics for missiles. He was very angry when Kuchma obeyed the USA and refused to export to Saddam. The factory shut down and everyone there including my uncle lost their jobs.

    Lviv also produced Soviet televisions, which couldn’t compete against Japanese ones. I think that this factory also shut down.

    Although much of the Soviet-era industries collapsed, the excellent schools remained. The city transitioned into a hub of programming and IT outsourcing. So in my generation, one of my cousins runs an outsourcing firm employing large numbers of programmers.

    The 1990s and early 2000s, before the transition, were difficult times in the city.

  395. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    You do realise he was released from Russia into Germany you dumb shithead?

    You do realise that he then willingly came back to be arrested and imprisoned?

    Does even a bimbo fantasist as yourself realise that, clearly, and to the annoyance of many - they actually refused to jail him for years, even as the (blatant) crimes were accumulating - giving Navalny suspended sentences.



    has created such a dysfunctional and penetrated state that foreign agents are free to run amok and whack his enemies (to make him look bad)
     
    LOL - the lies about Skripal, Litvinenko, some british homo in a bag, possibly Berezovsky, Lisin in the US, the Chechen terrorist in Germany..........but as these high profile murders under strict Anglo-American-German intelligence surveillance/protection are done- Putin is "incompetent" for a clown that the Russian state has repeatedly refused to jail - but tried to exile out of the country!

    Epstein????

    Replies: @AP

    My post was a cut and paste of Karlin and what he wrote is correct.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Well your fake khokhol fantasist BS, and fake medic fantasist BS are part of the same nonsense.
    The one thing we both have in common - zero medical knowledge.

    However,I don't see how this "novichok" attempt BS is compatible with


    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero.
     
    Heart, kidney, liver functions would expect to be permanently reduced after this type of "poisoning".

    Facts are UK,US,Ukronazi, Russia (general), Russia (state) could have done this - only biases (not even lying,fantasist BS that is your habit) can dictate what each person thinks for this.
    However, "Russian state" option relies on "Putin's humour" as a motivation for that theory (Munich conference, the date etc) - but that is in absence of any political motive and the history of the Russian state allowing him to leave the country for "confirmation" of Novichok BS, and not be jailed for years

    Though its sad for his young children - who cares anyway after some clown supposedly "poisoned by the state" decides to film some nonsense in Germany, then travel back to be be arrested by this same state to leave these children

    Replies: @AP

  396. @songbird
    @QCIC


    the claims of dental health value of fluoride had been broadly rejected
     
    AFAIK, they have been reproduced time and again, and boomers like Sailer, who are old enough to remember, have personally witnessed rates of cavities falling. You can see old film and sometimes see a young person with a black tooth.

    compared to negative impacts from ingesting the fluoride.

     

    There is a deep psychological impulse towards purity in foods. Many wackjob radicals still have it, even when they pursue open borders and free love. I suspect that some of the religious strictures on food might be related.

    But everything is concentration. Virtually every vitamin and mineral is toxic at high amounts. Conversely, many substances conceived of as being harmful are beneficial in small amounts. (Hormesis.)

    Paracelsus wrote in the 16th century that “all things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose makes something not a poison”.

    The fluoride in toothpaste is in the same chemical form as rat poison, but the concentrations are vastly different. And importantly rats can't throw up.

    while cities keep putting the chemical into the water supply for reasons of inertia ($$).
     
    I should think that treating cavities would be much more financially rewarding.

    Lebanon, without the infrastructure, added it to salt, since the '90s.

    Personally speaking, I would be much more worried about microplastics and estrogen analogues.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

    QCIC collects dumb conspiracy theories and believes them all. It’s completely unsurprising that he thinks there is a conspiracy around fluoride. It goes hand-in-hand with his Ukraine takes.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Thanks, I try to keep an open mind!

    Unlike the Ukraine mess, some of these topics involve scientific subtlety and fallibility. Not everyone has the background or time to develop a considered position, so occasionally I mention a technical controversy for which I have formed an opinion. The main concerns with the fluoride topic are simply scientific error and enthusiastic bureaucracy. I have heard anecdotally of a conspiracy aspect which I have never investigated.

    If possible, I read pro and con literature on a topic to reach a tentative conclusion. Maybe you should do the same. I was surprised when my dentist stopped giving topical fluoride treatments many years ago. I was also surprised to learn that fluoridation of water is illegal in some first world countries.

    Replies: @songbird, @Gerard1234

  397. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    People will study it for a long time…
     
    As Hegel said, we learn from history that we do not learn from history. NATO cheerfully walked into the trap that ruined Napoleon and Hitler. It is very likely that in 50-80 years anther bunch of morons will walk into exact same trap yet again.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    As Hegel said, we learn from history that we do not learn from history. NATO cheerfully walked into the trap that ruined Napoleon and Hitler. It is very likely that in 50-80 years anther bunch of morons will walk into exact same trap yet again.

    Polish scum large role in both those invasions should also be noted.
    Don’t know if it’s considered fact that without Louisiana Purchase, then Napoleon would not have ability to afford invasion of Russia?

    The other similarity with Napolean and Hitler is that nearly all of Europe was either occupied, subordinate or cuckholded by the French, and British naval blockade.just as for WW2

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    Polish scum large role in both those invasions
     
    Officially, Poland is in the camp of those who went into the trap again. I wonder what the people who don’t learn even from their own mistakes repeatedly should be called.
    , @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...Polish scum large role in both those invasions should also be noted.
     
    Poles are hopeless. What drives too many of them is narcissistic self-hatred. The combination is lethal, they "march" because they are idiots with crappy lives who always blame others. I thought they were weirdly dumb until we encountered the Ukies...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  398. @YetAnotherAnon
    @LatW


    "It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical “law-and-order” political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention."
     
    And if it's funded by the usual suspects?

    Cheerful news from the country where the rouble is rubble and washing machines are broken up for their chips... allowing for the fact that this is probably part of a rearmament push.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/15/rate-of-russian-military-production-worries-european-war-planners

    The transformation has put defence at the centre of Russia’s economy. Putin claimed this month that 520,000 new jobs had been created in the military-industrial complex, which now employs an estimated 3.5 million Russians, or 2.5% of the population. Machinists and welders in Russian factories producing war equipment are now making more money than many white-collar managers and lawyers, according to a Moscow Times analysis of Russian labour data in November.

    Putin on Thursday visited Uralvagonzavod, the country’s largest producer of main battle tanks, where workers boasted that it had been among the first to establish round the clock production. The Russian leader promised funding to help train an additional 1,500 qualified employees for the plant.

    As Russia’s war in Ukraine drags into its third year, the massive Russian investment in the military, projected this year to be the largest as a share of GDP since the Soviet Union, has worried European war planners, who have said Nato underestimated Russia’s ability to sustain a long-term war.

    “We still haven’t seen where is Russia’s breaking point,” said Mark Riisik, a deputy director in the policy planning department of Estonia’s defence ministry. “Basically one-third of their national budget is going on military production and on the war in Ukraine … But we don’t know when it will actually impact on society. So it’s a little bit challenging to say when will this stop.”

    “The war has led to an unprecedented redistribution of wealth, with the poorer classes profiting from government spending on the military-industrial complex,” said Denis Volkov, the director of the Levada Center, a polling and sociological research firm in Moscow. “Workers at military factories and families of soldiers fighting in Ukraine suddenly have much more money to spend. Their income has increased dramatically.”

    Levada’s polling showed that 5-6% of those who “previously did not have enough money to buy consumer goods like a fridge now have moved upwards towards the middle classes”.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    War is great for business. Stay out of the lines of fire now.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It's not great for UK business.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/octobertodecember2023


    Within production, manufacturing was the largest contributor to the 1.0% fall, with 10 out of the 13 manufacturing sub-sectors performing negatively over this period.

    Manufacturing output is estimated to have fallen by 0.9% in Quarter 4 2023 after four consecutive quarters of growth. The largest negative contributors are a 7.0% decline in the manufacture of machinery and equipment n.e.c and a 4.7% fall in the manufacture of rubber and plastics products, and other non-metallic mineral products.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  399. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.

    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.

    Could even be his first White woman.

    HOT SHOWER

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayr-46BkKHI

    Replies: @Derer, @Gerard1234

    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.

    I have never heard of these 2 people that you mention here. Though if you think they are bad, then my natural assumption is they must be good.

    Assuming they are Republicans – I did already mention that my preferred desire would be for Trump to get the Eichman treatment from Russia – we need to do one big stunt with big consequence for the freakshow that is the American elections. Until he is elected then he is not a public official ( so not “off-limits” in my view). Obviously it won’t( ?) happen – but it would be a dream if it did – certainly as punishing western war criminals for their Ukrainian actions does appear to be aspect of SMO completely out of our capability.
    He’s a traitor to Russia with his presidential policies – so that makes him worse to me than democrats.

    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.

    There is no actual “Putin support” in America. But much of the “Ukrainian” support is either Polish-diaspora freaks, Banderite genuine incels, Jewish-pogrom blood-libel scum (Putin actually mentioned this 2 days before, focusing on Blinken) ………..and the sex tourist perverts, US paedophiles, human traffikers, organ harvesters etc and other trash in America who have this artificial support for Ukraine.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234


    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.

     

    I have never heard of these 2 people that you mention here. Though if you think they are bad, then my natural assumption is they must be good.

    So you visit Unz but have never heard of Andrew Anglin?

    Fuentes is a self-described incel who said that having sex with women is gayer than being cellibate:
    https://www.rawstory.com/nick-fuentes-gay/

    Anglin is wanted by the Feds over some stupid trolling attack against a small town Jew.
    https://apnews.com/article/technology-religion-arrests-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-712adca6c327a2ceb2a21507e1f4697f

    Yea some real fine people that defend Putin. Your natural assumptions might be a tad off.


    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.
     
    There is no actual “Putin support” in America.

    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.

    Putin's blogger defenders in the US are disproportionately criminal and incel.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  400. • Agree: songbird
  401. @songbird
    @QCIC


    the claims of dental health value of fluoride had been broadly rejected
     
    AFAIK, they have been reproduced time and again, and boomers like Sailer, who are old enough to remember, have personally witnessed rates of cavities falling. You can see old film and sometimes see a young person with a black tooth.

    compared to negative impacts from ingesting the fluoride.

     

    There is a deep psychological impulse towards purity in foods. Many wackjob radicals still have it, even when they pursue open borders and free love. I suspect that some of the religious strictures on food might be related.

    But everything is concentration. Virtually every vitamin and mineral is toxic at high amounts. Conversely, many substances conceived of as being harmful are beneficial in small amounts. (Hormesis.)

    Paracelsus wrote in the 16th century that “all things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose makes something not a poison”.

    The fluoride in toothpaste is in the same chemical form as rat poison, but the concentrations are vastly different. And importantly rats can't throw up.

    while cities keep putting the chemical into the water supply for reasons of inertia ($$).
     
    I should think that treating cavities would be much more financially rewarding.

    Lebanon, without the infrastructure, added it to salt, since the '90s.

    Personally speaking, I would be much more worried about microplastics and estrogen analogues.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Conversely, many substances conceived of as being harmful are beneficial in small amounts. (Hormesis.)

    What’s a beneficial hormesis level for smoking cigarettes?

    Have you ever told your girlfriend that swallowing your semen was good for her health?

    Here’s the list of nutrients baby.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/did-you-know-semen-actually-contains-nutrients-we-tell-you-8-seriously-bizarre-semen-facts/photostory/69219345.cms

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    What’s a beneficial hormesis level for smoking cigarettes?
     
    Was once at the home of a relative and they lit a fire in the fireplace for ambience and I was like,"I can't breath.". (I think the problem was they didn't try to create a draft first.)

    But some absurd amount of heat (80-90% energy released) gets lost in a chimney. That's one reason that peasants typically didn't have chimneys. Wouldn't be surprised if Euros and other ice peoples had some sort of genetic adaption to smoke compared to people in Southern climes. Wonder if it has ever been investigated.

    that swallowing
     
    Ed Dutton promotes the idea that it increases fertility by training the woman's immune system to accept the male's proteins.

    I do know that the oral route is the primary pathway that the immune system encounters antigen. But definitely a strong comedic aspect to it, and I have never looked into the science myself. (If anything I would guess it would cause the immune system to attack it.)

    An old, politically incorrect observation was that women were the quickest to take up pseudoscientific fads. Not sure if it would apply here.
  402. @AP
    @songbird

    QCIC collects dumb conspiracy theories and believes them all. It’s completely unsurprising that he thinks there is a conspiracy around fluoride. It goes hand-in-hand with his Ukraine takes.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Thanks, I try to keep an open mind!

    Unlike the Ukraine mess, some of these topics involve scientific subtlety and fallibility. Not everyone has the background or time to develop a considered position, so occasionally I mention a technical controversy for which I have formed an opinion. The main concerns with the fluoride topic are simply scientific error and enthusiastic bureaucracy. I have heard anecdotally of a conspiracy aspect which I have never investigated.

    If possible, I read pro and con literature on a topic to reach a tentative conclusion. Maybe you should do the same. I was surprised when my dentist stopped giving topical fluoride treatments many years ago. I was also surprised to learn that fluoridation of water is illegal in some first world countries.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC

    Seems as though relatively few countries fluoridate water. Cavity rates in these countries have still fallen.

    But it is a bit hard to tell how many have naturally occurring fluoride or fluoridate salt.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_by_country

    Have heard that the children of a lot a migrants in the UK have rotten teeth.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Gerard1234
    @QCIC


    I was surprised when my dentist stopped giving topical fluoride treatments many years ago.
     
    I think your theory could have very strong merit to it.

    Alot of Africans (that's Africans living in Africa ,that are poor or relatively poor) are noted for having good teeth . I think its charcoal that they brush their teeth with. Literally illuminating a dark room if they open their mouth to show teeth .

    Probably no data to support of disprove this idea - such as Africans dying from teeth/gum related problems.
  403. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN


    As Hegel said, we learn from history that we do not learn from history. NATO cheerfully walked into the trap that ruined Napoleon and Hitler. It is very likely that in 50-80 years anther bunch of morons will walk into exact same trap yet again.
     
    Polish scum large role in both those invasions should also be noted.
    Don't know if it's considered fact that without Louisiana Purchase, then Napoleon would not have ability to afford invasion of Russia?

    The other similarity with Napolean and Hitler is that nearly all of Europe was either occupied, subordinate or cuckholded by the French, and British naval blockade.just as for WW2

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    Polish scum large role in both those invasions

    Officially, Poland is in the camp of those who went into the trap again. I wonder what the people who don’t learn even from their own mistakes repeatedly should be called.

  404. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Biden doesn’t have the balls to debate Trump…or anyone for that matter. Why do you always worry about bad stuff in far away countries but ignore it at home?

    More cheerleading projection from Beckow.

    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It's actually possible to not support Biden or Putin. Maybe in 5 or 10 years you will grasp the possibility that it's possible to oppose Biden and also a 5'1 mass murdering dictator. You don't have to grab pom-poms and pick a side.

    Navalny run for mayor in Moscow and lost with 27%

    All the more reason to not fear him.

    You just made up an “opposition leader” to your liking.

    I made up Navalny as an opposition leader? I didn't use that term so I don't know who you are quoting. How would you describe him? A man looking for solitude in Siberia?

    Can we call Robert Kennedy the main opposition in US?

    You can call him whatever you want.

    The real point is that he is free to run because this isn't a totalitarian state where an angry dwarf kills the competition.

    Another genius PR move by the dwarf.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DWsJqN4qsU

    Tries to depict himself as reasonable in the Tucker interview and then kills the opposition even though he was already imprisoned.

    Oh and Trump lost his fraud case:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-hit-with-4535-million-penalty-in-new-york-real-estate-fraud-lawsuit/ar-BB1ioIVi

    In America it isn't legal to kill the competition and it also isn't legal to add 9 floors to a building in a loan application and then claim it wasn't fraud because you paid the loan back. And we still have the documents case which is the worst one. Not looking good for Putin fans.

    Replies: @Matra, @Beckow

    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin.

    It is not about your personal views, it is about what happens in a country. You and I can freely choose to be “against all”, but it is not about us, we are looking at how “opposition” is treated. In US at has been lately absolutely dismal. For all your hatred of Trump, he is a legitimate opposition with massive support unlike Navalny.

    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with. If you don’t even understand that you really don’t understand anything. I looked it up and the overstatement of asset value was absolutely ridiculous: market is the only way to establish what something is worth – now you have a judge (a very weird guy) claiming that Trumps’ Florida mansion is worth “$18 million” – similar properties are selling at $75-100 million. This is a clown show. Why do you defend it?

    Then you have the Atlanta ‘revo’ prosecutor with her slow-witted pimp who she paid half a million dollars of tax money so they can munch on “wine-and-caviar”. The unhinged harridan is lying so openly that in a normal court – in a normal country – she would be politely asked to leave – this is your “anyone is free to run” democracy? Get real, it doesn’t look like that to anyone else. You are becoming a laughing stock.

    You lost the sense for real democracy: the system that was always managed but relatively open and easy-going changed into a closed controlled nightmare where opposition candidates and their supporters are charged at will with nonsense, the media cheers it on, and semi-retarded single-use “prosecutors” do the dirt job.

    What the hell is that? Zimbabwe? Your problem is not “Navalny”, he wasn’t going anywhere, fix the crap at home…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.
     

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin.

     

    It is not about your personal views, it is about what happens in a country.

    In a political forum it is about your personal views.

    You and I can freely choose to be “against all”, but it is not about us, we are looking at how “opposition” is treated. In US at has been lately absolutely dismal.

    The opposition in the US is not sent off to a Siberia penal colony because the dictator is insecure and afraid of debate.

    For all your hatred of Trump, he is a legitimate opposition with massive support unlike Navalny.

    Navalny was not allowed to be the opposition to anything. Putin is coward and does not let anyone run against him. Navalny was trapped inside of a totalitarian state prison and the 5'1 dwarf dictator had him killed. World is so impressed with Russia. Marxist economics were clearly a failure in the 1920s and yet the Russians stuck with it until 1991. Instead of developing into a normal country they let a dwarf dictator take over and start a war. Do all the damage control you want here but the world views Russia as a loser country.

    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.

    Would you please read about the case before commenting? It wasn't a building project. He was borrowing against an existing property. He added floors to multiple buildings.

    Adding 9 floors to a downtown NYC building in order to inflate the price is fraud. He also lied about the location. It wasn't just one building and it wasn't just floors. But maybe try reading about the case before adding your opinion. Yes we realize you believe that politicians should be allowed to break the rules. Well Trump learned that you can't lie on loan applications and get away with it. This isn't Russia where the dwarf breaks his own law on television all the time (calling it a war instead of an SMO).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.
     
    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?

    I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace, and that if Trump hadn't gotten involved in politics nobody would have cared or investigated. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by some mob-adjacent activities in his past, either. But then such people probably shouldn't run for office, given the fact that they probably have a history of regularly breaking the law. There's a Ukrainian expression - тихше їдеш, дальше будеш (the quieter you go, the further you'll get). Corrupt builders with lots of skeletons in their closets probably shouldn't get into politics where their every move will be scrutinized. Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open - although cheating hasn't harmed Trump.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Derer

  405. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    That’s Candace Owen.
     
    Of course, I know who she is - I'm not interested in her boring views which have been repeated over and over with little originality on the conservative scene. What I meant was - who the hell is she to tell Ukrainians they are not real Christians when she herself has shallow roots. She knows so little about Putin's system (run by old KGB personnel) and yet she runs her mouth like that - against a nation who are a victim. Besides this strife is none of her business.

    Gloria Steinem who made this quote:
    Marriage works best for men than women. The two happiest groups are married men and unmarried women.
     
    I think this may be true since this was backed up by some stats - married men live longer and have better health (not sure they are happier but it seems so), marriage civilizes men, and married people may also have it better financially, married men, if they stay married, win hands down. Unmarried women, assuming they've had children if they so desired, have more peace of mind and contentment. So this part may not be wrong. There is an asymmetry here between the sexes in our modern society.

    I'm not following Taylor Swift's latest romance (although my mom likes her and was following some of her music), other than noticing that her net worth is much higher than that of her cute and masculine boyfriend. Maybe it doesn't matter. So I can't comment on any criticisms towards her - imo, Taylor Swift is by far not the worst out there (she sounds like she has had several boyfriends, but afaik she speaks of them amicably).

    I really don't care about Candice Owens as long as she stays quiet about Ukraine and who is a real Christian. It's not her place to judge. It really just seems she wants to please the MAGA group by being anti-Ukrainian, at the expense of innocent, God fearing Ukrainians. Many of whom are more chaste than most Euros and Americans. Not to mention Russians who can be incredibly hedonistic and scientistic / atheist. All I get on my Ukrainian YouTube stream is prayer groups now. Clear sign they are Christians in every day life.

    But if she is a "Qanon dingbat" then she may not be all that dangerous - then she'll just be dismissed as a nut.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Ennui

    I think this may be true since this was backed up by some stats – married men live longer and have better health (not sure they are happier but it seems so), marriage civilizes men, and married people may also have it better financially, married men, if they stay married, win hands down

    I don’t think it is true at all. I don’t buy for one second that unmarried women are happier than unmarried men. Not past a certain age.

    This is one of those areas that is difficult to poll. You can’t ask certain questions where people try to convince themselves of something being true.

    It’s just as dubious as polling a question like what do you desire in a man? or are you a good person?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    I don’t think it is true at all. I don’t buy for one second that unmarried women are happier than unmarried men. Not past a certain age.
     
    The age is a separate issue - you might be surprised - a single younger woman is probably less happy than a single older woman (a younger woman cares more about being with somebody, especially if she has not yet procreated).

    I haven't looked at this carefully, but there could be some truth to it. The point may not be so much that unmarried women are somehow happier than unmarried men, but that unmarried women tend to take better care of themselves than unmarried men (it's a stereotype, of course, and men, too, are different, but in general). It's possible that unmarried men drink more and are more likely to be homeless, etc, than unmarried women. I think this is how it's been traditionally, although recently it's gotten worse for women as well. Besides if a woman has children, she'll never be lonely.

    Either way, both old school and new school feminists should be scrutinized - they may say a few things that happen to be correct, but they also spread a lot of questionable ideas and half-truths.

  406. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird


    Conversely, many substances conceived of as being harmful are beneficial in small amounts. (Hormesis.)
     
    What's a beneficial hormesis level for smoking cigarettes?

    Have you ever told your girlfriend that swallowing your semen was good for her health?

    Here's the list of nutrients baby.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/did-you-know-semen-actually-contains-nutrients-we-tell-you-8-seriously-bizarre-semen-facts/photostory/69219345.cms

    Replies: @songbird

    What’s a beneficial hormesis level for smoking cigarettes?

    Was once at the home of a relative and they lit a fire in the fireplace for ambience and I was like,”I can’t breath.”. (I think the problem was they didn’t try to create a draft first.)

    But some absurd amount of heat (80-90% energy released) gets lost in a chimney. That’s one reason that peasants typically didn’t have chimneys. Wouldn’t be surprised if Euros and other ice peoples had some sort of genetic adaption to smoke compared to people in Southern climes. Wonder if it has ever been investigated.

    that swallowing

    Ed Dutton promotes the idea that it increases fertility by training the woman’s immune system to accept the male’s proteins.

    I do know that the oral route is the primary pathway that the immune system encounters antigen. But definitely a strong comedic aspect to it, and I have never looked into the science myself. (If anything I would guess it would cause the immune system to attack it.)

    An old, politically incorrect observation was that women were the quickest to take up pseudoscientific fads. Not sure if it would apply here.

  407. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    How fitting. Diaspora “Ukrainian” quotes dictionary made by other diaspore “Ukrainians”.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    And disparaged by one other master diaspora Ukrainian. I was born in the US, love my country and enjoy living here. What’s your lame excuse for living here? If you appreciate Putler so much, enjoy Russian culture too, why don’t you emigrate there and retire?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    I was born in the US, love my country and enjoy living here.
     
    If you love this country, you should hate Biden’s puppeteers and the rest of the clique that faked 2020 elections: they are ruining the US at a rate beyond the wildest dreams of its enemies.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. Hack

  408. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN


    As Hegel said, we learn from history that we do not learn from history. NATO cheerfully walked into the trap that ruined Napoleon and Hitler. It is very likely that in 50-80 years anther bunch of morons will walk into exact same trap yet again.
     
    Polish scum large role in both those invasions should also be noted.
    Don't know if it's considered fact that without Louisiana Purchase, then Napoleon would not have ability to afford invasion of Russia?

    The other similarity with Napolean and Hitler is that nearly all of Europe was either occupied, subordinate or cuckholded by the French, and British naval blockade.just as for WW2

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    …Polish scum large role in both those invasions should also be noted.

    Poles are hopeless. What drives too many of them is narcissistic self-hatred. The combination is lethal, they “march” because they are idiots with crappy lives who always blame others. I thought they were weirdly dumb until we encountered the Ukies…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Poles are hopeless. What drives too many of them is narcissistic self-hatred. The combination is lethal, they “march” because they are idiots with crappy lives who always blame others.
     
    I don’t personally know many Poles, but among the ones I know most are sane and generally normal. If Polish democracy is like American, with elections a ruse for the gullible, ordinary Poles have no way of influencing their government.

    I thought they were weirdly dumb until we encountered the Ukies…
     
    In loser competition Ukies are certainly number one. Even Kurds are now distant second. I am not sure Poles are even in the top ten: the competition is fierce.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    Polish (coward) WW2 government in exile ran away to London (hilariously this government declared War on Japan after Hawaii attack - Japan was one of their top 2 ally before 1939), most of the anti-Tsarist Polish diaspora ran away to America, then there is the big French influence on Polish elite.

    So UK, US & France - after Germany are the 3 biggest enemies for Russia , each containing large numbers of Polish elite that ranaway and played a role in forming those countries foreign policies to Russia......and I am sure forming policy for anti-Russian propaganda in Poland domestically.

    Separating what is their influence, and what is solely Polish own domestic loser mentality is something difficult to do

    I wouldn't have thought in 1991 that Armenian relationship to Russians would be so much better than Gruzians like now. If anything I thought Gruzians were more russophile than Armenians (well, maybe the same). I do seriously think foreign western influence, more than anti-Russian Gruzians from 1991, have played the biggest role in that.

    Replies: @Beckow

  409. @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.
     
    I have never heard of these 2 people that you mention here. Though if you think they are bad, then my natural assumption is they must be good.

    Assuming they are Republicans - I did already mention that my preferred desire would be for Trump to get the Eichman treatment from Russia - we need to do one big stunt with big consequence for the freakshow that is the American elections. Until he is elected then he is not a public official ( so not "off-limits" in my view). Obviously it won't( ?) happen - but it would be a dream if it did - certainly as punishing western war criminals for their Ukrainian actions does appear to be aspect of SMO completely out of our capability.
    He's a traitor to Russia with his presidential policies - so that makes him worse to me than democrats.

    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.
     
    There is no actual "Putin support" in America. But much of the "Ukrainian" support is either Polish-diaspora freaks, Banderite genuine incels, Jewish-pogrom blood-libel scum (Putin actually mentioned this 2 days before, focusing on Blinken) ...........and the sex tourist perverts, US paedophiles, human traffikers, organ harvesters etc and other trash in America who have this artificial support for Ukraine.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.

    I have never heard of these 2 people that you mention here. Though if you think they are bad, then my natural assumption is they must be good.

    So you visit Unz but have never heard of Andrew Anglin?

    Fuentes is a self-described incel who said that having sex with women is gayer than being cellibate:
    https://www.rawstory.com/nick-fuentes-gay/

    Anglin is wanted by the Feds over some stupid trolling attack against a small town Jew.
    https://apnews.com/article/technology-religion-arrests-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-712adca6c327a2ceb2a21507e1f4697f

    Yea some real fine people that defend Putin. Your natural assumptions might be a tad off.

    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.

    There is no actual “Putin support” in America.

    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.

    Putin’s blogger defenders in the US are disproportionately criminal and incel.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.
     
    Just some irrelevant, anti-Democrat action. As I say, Trump did the same thing and nothing positive at all happened from US to Russsia.

    Putin’s blogger defenders in the US are disproportionately criminal and incel.
     
    I could have it wrong, but isn't there supposed to be a love-triangle in there between Julia Ioffe- Richard Spencer - and this Nina-Russian blogger wife of his?

    So you visit Unz but have never heard of Andrew Anglin?
     
    Correct.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  410. @QCIC
    @AP

    Thanks, I try to keep an open mind!

    Unlike the Ukraine mess, some of these topics involve scientific subtlety and fallibility. Not everyone has the background or time to develop a considered position, so occasionally I mention a technical controversy for which I have formed an opinion. The main concerns with the fluoride topic are simply scientific error and enthusiastic bureaucracy. I have heard anecdotally of a conspiracy aspect which I have never investigated.

    If possible, I read pro and con literature on a topic to reach a tentative conclusion. Maybe you should do the same. I was surprised when my dentist stopped giving topical fluoride treatments many years ago. I was also surprised to learn that fluoridation of water is illegal in some first world countries.

    Replies: @songbird, @Gerard1234

    Seems as though relatively few countries fluoridate water. Cavity rates in these countries have still fallen.

    But it is a bit hard to tell how many have naturally occurring fluoride or fluoridate salt.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_by_country

    Have heard that the children of a lot a migrants in the UK have rotten teeth.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    Brushing your teeth should be helpful in preventing cavities even without fluoride in the water or in the toothpaste. People from the third world probably have more broken and chipped teeth.

    Replies: @songbird

  411. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...Polish scum large role in both those invasions should also be noted.
     
    Poles are hopeless. What drives too many of them is narcissistic self-hatred. The combination is lethal, they "march" because they are idiots with crappy lives who always blame others. I thought they were weirdly dumb until we encountered the Ukies...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Poles are hopeless. What drives too many of them is narcissistic self-hatred. The combination is lethal, they “march” because they are idiots with crappy lives who always blame others.

    I don’t personally know many Poles, but among the ones I know most are sane and generally normal. If Polish democracy is like American, with elections a ruse for the gullible, ordinary Poles have no way of influencing their government.

    I thought they were weirdly dumb until we encountered the Ukies…

    In loser competition Ukies are certainly number one. Even Kurds are now distant second. I am not sure Poles are even in the top ten: the competition is fierce.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    the competition is fierce...
     
    It is volatile. They jump over each other to outdo the devotional idiocy - today almost always for the West. It has a lot to do with the basic self-esteem, Poles do ok there and on a personal level I like them. Ukies not so much, but they are also likable in person - what the f..k is happening in Kiev I will never understand.

    One candidate is the often over-looked Bulgaria: in a direct collapse for years. If the trend continues it will be literally empty with a few Gypsy encampments and weed-covered fields maybe repopulated by Third Worlders. If this is not by design the Davos guys are missing a great opportunity.

  412. @AP
    @Gerard1234

    My post was a cut and paste of Karlin and what he wrote is correct.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Well your fake khokhol fantasist BS, and fake medic fantasist BS are part of the same nonsense.
    The one thing we both have in common – zero medical knowledge.

    However,I don’t see how this “novichok” attempt BS is compatible with

    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero.

    Heart, kidney, liver functions would expect to be permanently reduced after this type of “poisoning”.

    Facts are UK,US,Ukronazi, Russia (general), Russia (state) could have done this – only biases (not even lying,fantasist BS that is your habit) can dictate what each person thinks for this.
    However, “Russian state” option relies on “Putin’s humour” as a motivation for that theory (Munich conference, the date etc) – but that is in absence of any political motive and the history of the Russian state allowing him to leave the country for “confirmation” of Novichok BS, and not be jailed for years

    Though its sad for his young children – who cares anyway after some clown supposedly “poisoned by the state” decides to film some nonsense in Germany, then travel back to be be arrested by this same state to leave these children

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Well your fake khokhol fantasist BS, and fake medic fantasist BS are part of the same nonsense.
    The one thing we both have in common – zero medical knowledge.
     
    I'm vague about my background but will say that I have one of the doctoral-level degrees in a medical field (DO, MD, PhD, DPH, or PharmD) and work in my field. Our former host knows who I am and confirms:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4794693

    This in addition to your lying that I was never in Russia or Ukraine or don't speak either language.

    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero.

    Heart, kidney, liver functions would expect to be permanently reduced after this type of “poisoning”.
     
    In which case it would not have been natural causes.
  413. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin.
     

    It is not about your personal views, it is about what happens in a country. You and I can freely choose to be "against all", but it is not about us, we are looking at how "opposition" is treated. In US at has been lately absolutely dismal. For all your hatred of Trump, he is a legitimate opposition with massive support unlike Navalny.

    To add "too many floors" to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with. If you don't even understand that you really don't understand anything. I looked it up and the overstatement of asset value was absolutely ridiculous: market is the only way to establish what something is worth - now you have a judge (a very weird guy) claiming that Trumps' Florida mansion is worth "$18 million" - similar properties are selling at $75-100 million. This is a clown show. Why do you defend it?

    Then you have the Atlanta 'revo' prosecutor with her slow-witted pimp who she paid half a million dollars of tax money so they can munch on "wine-and-caviar". The unhinged harridan is lying so openly that in a normal court - in a normal country - she would be politely asked to leave - this is your "anyone is free to run" democracy? Get real, it doesn't look like that to anyone else. You are becoming a laughing stock.

    You lost the sense for real democracy: the system that was always managed but relatively open and easy-going changed into a closed controlled nightmare where opposition candidates and their supporters are charged at will with nonsense, the media cheers it on, and semi-retarded single-use "prosecutors" do the dirt job.

    What the hell is that? Zimbabwe? Your problem is not "Navalny", he wasn't going anywhere, fix the crap at home...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin.

    It is not about your personal views, it is about what happens in a country.

    In a political forum it is about your personal views.

    You and I can freely choose to be “against all”, but it is not about us, we are looking at how “opposition” is treated. In US at has been lately absolutely dismal.

    The opposition in the US is not sent off to a Siberia penal colony because the dictator is insecure and afraid of debate.

    For all your hatred of Trump, he is a legitimate opposition with massive support unlike Navalny.

    Navalny was not allowed to be the opposition to anything. Putin is coward and does not let anyone run against him. Navalny was trapped inside of a totalitarian state prison and the 5’1 dwarf dictator had him killed. World is so impressed with Russia. Marxist economics were clearly a failure in the 1920s and yet the Russians stuck with it until 1991. Instead of developing into a normal country they let a dwarf dictator take over and start a war. Do all the damage control you want here but the world views Russia as a loser country.

    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.

    Would you please read about the case before commenting? It wasn’t a building project. He was borrowing against an existing property. He added floors to multiple buildings.

    Adding 9 floors to a downtown NYC building in order to inflate the price is fraud. He also lied about the location. It wasn’t just one building and it wasn’t just floors. But maybe try reading about the case before adding your opinion. Yes we realize you believe that politicians should be allowed to break the rules. Well Trump learned that you can’t lie on loan applications and get away with it. This isn’t Russia where the dwarf breaks his own law on television all the time (calling it a war instead of an SMO).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    “Do I Look like a Gentleman to you?”


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtBWeTn5dtw



    There are no normal countries.

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    We are commenting on what we observe in different countries - you don't get to 'personally' disassociate from what you don't like about the West, it is part of the overall picture. You are fanatic in your extreme vocabulary about "enemy others" - so you need to explain the misdeeds on your own side. If you don't, you come across as a desperate hypocrite.

    You hate Trump, fine, to each his own...but the legal war against the main presidential candidate based on bulls..t made-up cases, not prosecuted when others do it, is a horrible indictment of the American 'democracy'...the mistake will haunt you for decades. Why not let the people vote and decide?

    You identify with the weirdo NY judge and the black thieving lying floozie. How can that be good for anyone? The cases will be dismissed, thrown out on appeal - or, the worse alternative, you will have mud on your collective face.

    Navalny was not the opposition - he didn't have the numbers, 5% or less. He failed politically and was selectively charged. It happens in US, UK, France (Sarkozy), Russia. People died in the Western prisons under suspicious circumstances. Sticking "Siberia" into it only shows your poor emotional state.

    What happened to Navalny is a minor tragedy with no impact. What matters is the Ukies stupidly and at high cost losing a war they provoked. There is nothing you can do about it so you spew childish hatred.

  414. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    And someone might even believe your nonsense.
     
    Just to make it obvious to everyone here , you have myself - someone who has visited western Ukraine several times for decades, speaks Russian and mova..........and then you this wacko, AP - someone who has never been to western Ukraine, can't speak Ukrainian (proven on abnormal amount of times) and certainly can't speak Russian, can't develop these non-language skills to communicate with any Ukrainian who has travelled to USA since the SMO- even if the US government would sponsor him to host these people(!!!) .....and in this farce , this severely disturbed freakshow who can't do these things is trying to argue about my own anecdotal experiences where this retard was not there!

    I suppose the mental state of this f**khead is similar to that of a killer (paedophile killer in the case of this freak) going back to the scene of their crime. That's how these sociopaths operate.
    Facts are uncomfortable to some people.........they are even more uncomfortable to wakjobs

    For business in Lvov - Russian is absolutely essential in many aspects. For those working in the tourism - Russian absolutely essential. Around the University's and the whole student areas - Russian is very, very noticeable. You would have to be deaf to not notice the prevalence of Russian in places like Lutsk, Lvov and Ivano-Frankovsk.

    One of the more notorius Ukronazi excrement has said the same thing ( and several others). The amusing thing is that if you accept that the usual BS and contradictions of the ukronazis are for once, true......then this trend is likely to continue.

    https://www.facebook.com/AntinMykharskyi/posts/1111011112621088?ref=embed_post

    AnonFromTN - you can translate for this failed piece of human garbage if you want to - because he sure as f**k can't.

    On a separate issue, "Ukrainian" on the internet is also extremely low compared to what would be expected. The "Ukrainian conversion" of most of the khokhol patriots on the internet lasted about 2 seconds.

    Replies: @AP

    For business in Lvov – Russian is absolutely essential in many aspects. For those working in the tourism – Russian absolutely essential. Around the University’s and the whole student areas – Russian is very, very noticeable

    That is not what you said.

    You wrote:

    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc

    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.

    Russian certainly exists and is noticeable, but it is not the majority in Lviv.

    Lviv is about 15% Russian-speaking, this has been declining every year as the Soviet colonists who came to the city from Russian-speaking areas of the USSR die of old age (their children and grandchildren intermarry and speak Ukrainian). There was a massive exodus of Russian-speakers in 1990, the city was perhaps 40% Russian-speaking in Soviet times.

    In Lviv one does hear Russian spoken by tourists from other, Russian-speaking, regions of Ukraine. A lot of people from Kiev or Kharkiv who couldn’t afford to visit Prague would take a train and spend a few days in Lviv, enjoying the city, its cafes, etc. So there is plenty of Russian in the touristy center. One also hears a lot of Russian in Vienna, too, I’m sure at particular times English is overrunning Czech in central Prague, etc.

    As for business – I don’t do business there. I imagine they speak Russian if doing business with clients in Kharkiv or Kiev.

    https://www.facebook.com/AntinMykharskyi/posts/1111011112621088?ref=embed_post

    That’s an interesting observation. He is complaining about more Russian being spoken in Lviv than before (post was from 2019). Apparently people from places like Kiev are buying second homes in that charming city. There are also Russian-speaking “refugees” from Donbas living there and bringing the Russian language with them. So probably the trend has reversed itself and the percentage of Russian-speakers is greater than 15%. With the war, Lviv has seen an even greater influx of easterners. But majority is absurdity. And if they stay, they will assimilate as have the descendants of the Soviet colonists. It is as easy for Russian-speakers to assimilate in an Ukrainian-speaking city as it is for Ukrainian-speakers to assimilate in a Russian-speaking one.

    In Poland they are also complaining about an influx of Russian-speakers from eastern Ukraine and lots of Russian being spoken in Warsaw, so Lviv and Poland have a mutual problem.

    This comment was realistic:

    “Таки туристи. Я як львів’янин відрізняю. Є і місцеві, але місцеві все ж використовують українську в спілкуванні з місцевиими. Хоча є й затяті. То ті, яякі понаїхали в совєтський час.”

    AP – someone who has never been to western Ukraine, can’t speak Ukrainian

    I had been visiting western and central Ukraine about every 4 years until Covid and the war (so, have not been there since 2017). I might go in 2025. I talk to my cousins every couple of months on facetime/facebook messenger, which is free. I speak Ukrainian well enough to be taken for a native of Lviv when I am in Kiev; in Lviv they ask me how old I was when I moved to the USA (I am the 2nd generation born abroad).

    I can’t think of a single Pole who was a success from the 2 other empires they were cuckholded in (Austrian and Prussian), but in Russian there was plenty. Same thing for Banderetards

    There may not have been personal computers if not for this Ukrainian guy from Galicia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubomyr_Romankiw

    https://www.invent.org/inductees/lubomyr-romankiw

    He was a Ukrainian patriot, too.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.
     
    Poor, poor Gerard, he's managed to set himself up once again! :-)
    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    And if they stay, they will assimilate as have the descendants of the Soviet colonists
     
    Accidentally or deliberately ,you have stupidly said "Soviet" as "colonists". Either way it's an embarrassing statement. S0-called "Ukrainians" are malorossiyans in these "Soviet colonists" of Galicia. Interesting that a fake ukrop as you refer to citizens of 404 moving from 1 part of Stalin/Lenin created Ukraine into another part of Stalin created Ukraine as "colonists". You appear a wakjob, all the time uses term "colonists" not just to Soviets, but probably on Russians from any era, living on our lands of "Ukraine".

    Anyway, on this subject -

    1. Lvov founded by a Russian

    2. Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland

    3. Romanians native to Bukovina for many centuries also, deported to Romania

    4.Jews native to both these areas of western Ukraine,well, I don't need to explain what occurred here......

    5. Izmail region transferred by Stalin from Moldovan ASR into Ukrainian SSR. Khrushchev then eliminated this oblast and transferred it into same region as Odessa. Both administrative moves greatly aiding agriculture and Industry of Ukrainian SSR. Each time attracting Ukrainian "colonists" to move there.

    6. Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists?

    7. At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these "colonists" too?

    8. Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists? especially as it was infinitely more in this direction than the reverse direction

    9. Lvov- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries- something like the caste system in India, LMAO. Blatant colonists? Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?!!!
    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Then if you look at names of those in the sick ukronazi failed project from Galicia in high position in 404......Makarova, Shmeigel, Reznikov, Mayor of Lvov Sadovoi ( name , I think, could be both Russian or Ukrop, but definitely not typical Galician so he too could easily be from Soviet "colonists") - it just shows how idiotic, parasitic and deceitful it is to talk about Soviets as this you moron.
    Governor of Volyn , Yuri Pogulyaiko - someone I am actually about "one degree of separation " from, though we have never met. This POS totally Russian-world individual, from Lugansk.

    Those are the people I know about, looking at those I don't know anything about, here are their names:

    Mayor of Ivano-Frankovsk - Ruslan Martsinkiv - LMFAO!!!!!!
    Mayor of Ternopol - Sergei Nadal (!!!!)- don't know what is happening with that name. If that is from a spanish connection then he is the most Soviet of Soviet people- Either way his wife's name is Russian.
    Governors of Ternopol ( replaced in a scandal recently, which I do know something about) - Vladimir Trush (must be Ukrainian name), Igor Sopel (???) - interesting - could easily be a Soviet-arrival.

    How stupid or deranged do you have to be to use the word "colonists", when the actual fake state of Ukraine is the product of about 9 different territories of 6 countries DONATED to it by Russia?!!!

    European-heritage Americans, of course, not native to the US. Maori of New Zealand, technically are colonists themselves as migrated from Pacific Islands ( don't know if Aborigines are native to Australia). Even the dark Africans of South Africa are colonists ,as the true native Africans there are actually much lighter-skinned, and the truly black Africans migrated from central/west Africa.
    With all that ambiguity with the word "colonists" .......you have amusingly braindead tried to fake that the most artificially ethnically social-engineered place on the planet, Galicia, is a "victim" of colonists......when ukrop Galicians are the most extreme colonisers ever!!! Ridiculous


    what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.

     

    Your drivel about Lutsk and Lvov are irrelevant. Majority there speaking Russian - they don't give a f**k how insecure you are about it. Just above 50/50 for Lvov. Anecdotally on the public transport itself it feels even more than that to me. Someone else may do identical walk like I did and say it was 40/60 minority Russian. 30/70. 20/80 - that's all OK ......but the fact would still be clear that significant numbers are speaking it there. In Kiev, Kharkov, Donetsk.......you are literally talking about going the entire day there, very busy, and not hearing even ONE person speaking in mova.

    Replies: @AP

  415. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234


    Anglin, Fuentes and the rest of the Basement Incels for Putin Alliance would gangbang that mom and call it the best day ever.

     

    I have never heard of these 2 people that you mention here. Though if you think they are bad, then my natural assumption is they must be good.

    So you visit Unz but have never heard of Andrew Anglin?

    Fuentes is a self-described incel who said that having sex with women is gayer than being cellibate:
    https://www.rawstory.com/nick-fuentes-gay/

    Anglin is wanted by the Feds over some stupid trolling attack against a small town Jew.
    https://apnews.com/article/technology-religion-arrests-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-712adca6c327a2ceb2a21507e1f4697f

    Yea some real fine people that defend Putin. Your natural assumptions might be a tad off.


    Anglin would love to get a break from his Asian prostitutes.
     
    There is no actual “Putin support” in America.

    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.

    Putin's blogger defenders in the US are disproportionately criminal and incel.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.

    Just some irrelevant, anti-Democrat action. As I say, Trump did the same thing and nothing positive at all happened from US to Russsia.

    Putin’s blogger defenders in the US are disproportionately criminal and incel.

    I could have it wrong, but isn’t there supposed to be a love-triangle in there between Julia Ioffe- Richard Spencer – and this Nina-Russian blogger wife of his?

    So you visit Unz but have never heard of Andrew Anglin?

    Correct.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234


    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.
     
    Just some irrelevant, anti-Democrat action. As I say, Trump did the same thing and nothing positive at all happened from US to Russsia.

    You said he didn't have US support and I named two of his supporters. In the US he has Anglin (wanted criminal and Neo Nazi), Fuentes (proud incel and White nationalist), Scott Ritter (convicted sex criminal), Judge Napolitano (accused of sexually assaulting two men), and Douglas MacGregor.

    Which means MacGregor is the oddball for not having a conviction or weird sexual traits.

    What a fine group that lines up to defend Putin.

    In the Uk he has Russel Brand (multiple sexual harassment accusations), Roger Waters (sexual accusations and NeoNazi statements), and Duran (immigrant lawyer convicted of fraud).

    I guess he also has that failed liberal comedian turned wanna-be alt-right guy. He didn't become a Hollywood star so he now pretends to be an edgy talk show host. Jimmy Dore or something.

    I could have it wrong, but isn’t there supposed to be a love-triangle in there between Julia Ioffe- Richard Spencer – and this Nina-Russian blogger wife of his?

    No idea. White nationalist soap operas are really not my interest. I sometimes post on Anglin's blog but only because he is here and pathetically tries to run damage control for Putin. I don't care for White nationalism and in fact I think it just feeds liberalism. It just becomes a 30 second time slot on CNN. Anglin types become mascots to the establishment. Cartoony villains sold to liberals watching at home.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  416. @Dmitry
    @MrHack https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-237/#comment-6331463

    I choose them as an example of the difference in the dynamic range of those recordings. Although it reminds of the epoch when British singers were conquering world music. It's one of the cultural differences between the 1980s and early 21st century created by technological change and the different pattern of peoples' attention. We compare Sade to Katy Perry.

    1986, dynamic range was lot of the expression, the producer and musicians intend people will listen in quiet room in their home.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLIqOuxTrGw

    2009, Katy Perry we can hear almost little dynamic range, there is no problem hearing the words in places with background noises like in a supermarket and car.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3IH5arFaQg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s nice to see you back again. I’m envious seeing you be able to pop in and out of this blogsite for several months at a time. I’m tempted at times to try this technique myself. 🙂

    Sade IMHO sounds a lot more interesting than Katy Perry. Other than classical and jazz music, within the pop music field I’ve always been a big fan of prog-rock music (YES, Moody Blues, King Crimson, Genesis, Jethro Tull, classic prog-rock music). Recently, I started a journey to listen to lesser-known prog-rock masters from the same era, that for some reason mostly missed my listening experience. This kind of music, officially a sub-group of prog rock, is named the “Canterbury sound” and can be easily accessed through Spotify that has developed some nice programs that give you a nice flavor of this type of music. If I found a particular tune that I liked, I would then delve more fully into the composers and their output.

    I have also been listening to modern groups that still lift the prog rock sound high on their pedestal. Two that I wholeheartedly recommend are “Karfagen” and “Ayreon”

    Here’s one from the past era that I think you might thoroughly enjoy:

  417. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Well your fake khokhol fantasist BS, and fake medic fantasist BS are part of the same nonsense.
    The one thing we both have in common - zero medical knowledge.

    However,I don't see how this "novichok" attempt BS is compatible with


    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero.
     
    Heart, kidney, liver functions would expect to be permanently reduced after this type of "poisoning".

    Facts are UK,US,Ukronazi, Russia (general), Russia (state) could have done this - only biases (not even lying,fantasist BS that is your habit) can dictate what each person thinks for this.
    However, "Russian state" option relies on "Putin's humour" as a motivation for that theory (Munich conference, the date etc) - but that is in absence of any political motive and the history of the Russian state allowing him to leave the country for "confirmation" of Novichok BS, and not be jailed for years

    Though its sad for his young children - who cares anyway after some clown supposedly "poisoned by the state" decides to film some nonsense in Germany, then travel back to be be arrested by this same state to leave these children

    Replies: @AP

    Well your fake khokhol fantasist BS, and fake medic fantasist BS are part of the same nonsense.
    The one thing we both have in common – zero medical knowledge.

    I’m vague about my background but will say that I have one of the doctoral-level degrees in a medical field (DO, MD, PhD, DPH, or PharmD) and work in my field. Our former host knows who I am and confirms:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4794693

    This in addition to your lying that I was never in Russia or Ukraine or don’t speak either language.

    Navalny was 47, the chances of just dying from natural causes at that age are close to zero.

    Heart, kidney, liver functions would expect to be permanently reduced after this type of “poisoning”.

    In which case it would not have been natural causes.

  418. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...Polish scum large role in both those invasions should also be noted.
     
    Poles are hopeless. What drives too many of them is narcissistic self-hatred. The combination is lethal, they "march" because they are idiots with crappy lives who always blame others. I thought they were weirdly dumb until we encountered the Ukies...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Polish (coward) WW2 government in exile ran away to London (hilariously this government declared War on Japan after Hawaii attack – Japan was one of their top 2 ally before 1939), most of the anti-Tsarist Polish diaspora ran away to America, then there is the big French influence on Polish elite.

    So UK, US & France – after Germany are the 3 biggest enemies for Russia , each containing large numbers of Polish elite that ranaway and played a role in forming those countries foreign policies to Russia……and I am sure forming policy for anti-Russian propaganda in Poland domestically.

    Separating what is their influence, and what is solely Polish own domestic loser mentality is something difficult to do

    I wouldn’t have thought in 1991 that Armenian relationship to Russians would be so much better than Gruzians like now. If anything I thought Gruzians were more russophile than Armenians (well, maybe the same). I do seriously think foreign western influence, more than anti-Russian Gruzians from 1991, have played the biggest role in that.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...Separating what is their influence, and what is solely Polish own domestic loser mentality is something difficult to do
     
    Two sides of the same coin. Poles have had it tough for centuries and they are poorly endowed in resources - they have coal, marshy fields and bisons, but Poland is not exactly picturesque or rich. Others mistreated them, mostly Germans.

    They were for years so defeated by the Germans that they absorbed the mentality of seeing themselves through German eyes. Their Vatican-Catholic thing is a joke - Jesuits f..ed them over and the pathos of the Polish belief in little statues, virgins (?), and guys in black robes paralyzed their thinking.

    I have always suggested to my Polish friends that they should relocate their sad tribe somewhere to the extreme north-west to be closer to the promised lands they worship. Maybe Greenland or Yukon. They are clearly unhappy where they are, scared of the "Asiats" to the east and not respected by their immediate neighbors to the west and south. It is tough to be a Polack...but in person they tend to be nice.

  419. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin.
     

    It is not about your personal views, it is about what happens in a country. You and I can freely choose to be "against all", but it is not about us, we are looking at how "opposition" is treated. In US at has been lately absolutely dismal. For all your hatred of Trump, he is a legitimate opposition with massive support unlike Navalny.

    To add "too many floors" to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with. If you don't even understand that you really don't understand anything. I looked it up and the overstatement of asset value was absolutely ridiculous: market is the only way to establish what something is worth - now you have a judge (a very weird guy) claiming that Trumps' Florida mansion is worth "$18 million" - similar properties are selling at $75-100 million. This is a clown show. Why do you defend it?

    Then you have the Atlanta 'revo' prosecutor with her slow-witted pimp who she paid half a million dollars of tax money so they can munch on "wine-and-caviar". The unhinged harridan is lying so openly that in a normal court - in a normal country - she would be politely asked to leave - this is your "anyone is free to run" democracy? Get real, it doesn't look like that to anyone else. You are becoming a laughing stock.

    You lost the sense for real democracy: the system that was always managed but relatively open and easy-going changed into a closed controlled nightmare where opposition candidates and their supporters are charged at will with nonsense, the media cheers it on, and semi-retarded single-use "prosecutors" do the dirt job.

    What the hell is that? Zimbabwe? Your problem is not "Navalny", he wasn't going anywhere, fix the crap at home...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.

    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?

    I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace, and that if Trump hadn’t gotten involved in politics nobody would have cared or investigated. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised by some mob-adjacent activities in his past, either. But then such people probably shouldn’t run for office, given the fact that they probably have a history of regularly breaking the law. There’s a Ukrainian expression – тихше їдеш, дальше будеш (the quieter you go, the further you’ll get). Corrupt builders with lots of skeletons in their closets probably shouldn’t get into politics where their every move will be scrutinized. Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open – although cheating hasn’t harmed Trump.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP



    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.
     
    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans? I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace
     
    Why do you automatically jump to fraud? Why not a perfectly innocent explanation? Government regulators demanded a shorter building before permitting construction? Raw material prices went up and the project was reshaped to the available funding? There are any number of legitimate reasons to change design.

    The lender made their own evaluation. One that did not directly rely on the application. They cut Trump's net worth in half and still thought it was a good risk. And, they did in fact make a profit on the deal. There is simply no fraud.

    It is incredibly obvious that the fraudulent judge is decrepit and likely corrupt. The fake charges are horrendous. The fake rulings are boon to Trump as they prove he is both correct and virtuous.

    PEACE 😇

     
    http://i.imgur.com/D4EYYw1.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    Are you sure it is not because you just don't like his politics? Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be "fraud"...how does one value assets accurately? It is like asking you how pretty is your wife.

    You may as well exclude any business person over 30 from public life. From Scholz (dodgy accounting), Sunak 'investments', Macron, to Romney, Clinton they all had lots of "paper" violations. So did Navalny. Selective justice is no justice.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can't harass its main opponent with endless bs 'legal' violations right before the elections. That's not a democracy - that's what happens in fake one-party states. You can equally dig through Biden's 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets - or worse. Anyone can do it - but free countries refrain from doing it.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation - US is becoming a joke, people around the world are not stupid. First trying to run the wife of the former president against brother and son of another one? Like some Gambia nepotistic hell-hole. Now the very transparent legal harassment.

    Get a hold of yourselves - the Ukie hovels or even the gender-fluidity are not worth it. You will regret it for decades. At a minimum, how is US ever going to have credibility critisizing anyone else? We are not that stupid.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open – although cheating hasn’t harmed Trump.
     
    Actually, I think that we as a society should be more open towards polyamory since some people do appear to be wired that way:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/opinion/sunday/infidelity-lurks-in-your-genes.html

    And it's evolutionarily advantageous, especially for men, since it can increase the number of children that they will have.

    But there's a huge difference between ethical/consensual polyamory and unethical/non-consensual polyamory. Trump previously engaged in the latter kind.
    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Bimbo degeneracy in your post, once again, extreme.


    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?
     
    1. Its absolutely IMPOSSIBLE in any civilised and sane country to be charge with this fake crime if the loan hasn't been defaulted on/company filed for bankruptcy. It would be like stopping and investigating for drink-driving someone who wasn't driving erratically or very fast.
    Any investigation before charge would require complaint from bank - who are only going to do that for a defaulting client you stupid moron.

    Even Ukrop court "system" would not do this. Its against universal principles of justice. I suppose as you have never been to Europe, are addicted to writing BS, are addicted to promoting the genre of American BS like the heap of dung you are.....you will be clueless to these world-accepted principles.

    2. For somebody claiming to be a billionaire for decades, the American/NY state tax authorities have zero extra incentive to investigate his tax activities, just because he could be President. It is the peak of corruption and dumbness for any tax issue to be "discovered "now. A career politician with various lobbying business interests should expect extra scrutiny on their tax records the higher they progress in politics........Trump should have had that extra scrutiny every second for the last 30 years if the tax authorities were competent or not corrupt. As a politician campaigning on lower taxes, most American expect him to use every method allowed to not pay taxes.

    3. Valuation of a property at $400M when most others are claiming the property/asset is $200M is about a million times more subjective than someone claiming there house is $400k, when most claim its $200K. There are 100's of 1000's , maybe millions of houses in America each with values of 400k and 200k - so there is abundant objective data there, abundant precedent on what a 400k house is and what a 200k is.

    There is NONE of that for a 400M vs 200M asset- it's so subjective and Trump can always claim credibly that some wealthy Arab or typical scumbag ukrop oligarch like Poroshenko-Valtsman is begging to pay a hypothetical $400M. It should be completely impossible to indict him on "overinflating his assets" once the value reaches a certain level.

    4. Concept of "same rule for everyone" in this example is total nonsense . That is comparing "blind" loan giving of the bank to a normal client........with someone the biggest banks in the world in the worlds banking centre have had deep relationship for 40 years - giving size of loans that 0.0000001% of worlds banking clients receive. A client who they are giving loans of such size to , that the CEO's, board of governers, managers, Chairman could all have to resign out of incompetence if he defaulted. Paperwork application is completely irrelevant and should be impossible to investigate as fraud - because its always going to be their own judgement of his assets worth, approved at executive level - his ability to pay and earn the bank millions back in interest.

    For the "normal" person with normal loans - if he is unable to pay, the culpability of executive or medium level management is zero.

    There’s a Ukrainian expression
     
    HAHAHAHAHA! Enough of this ridiculous act you delinquent, dilapidated compulsive liar idiot. Just WTF

    Replies: @AP

    , @Derer
    @AP

    Everything, concerning Trump problems, is political...it smells by the snivelling DNC criminal methods of eliminating popular opposition candidate. They cannot defeat him by fair fight in the political arena so the parasitic bastards resort to sleazy litigation. They have been in control of DOJ for the past 15 years.

    This country would have been in much better shape if Gen. Michael Flynn was not removed by the dirty work of pathetic DNC apparatchiks. Who should have been impeached is the VP Biden for Ukraine corruption and nepotism.

  420. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.
     

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin.

     

    It is not about your personal views, it is about what happens in a country.

    In a political forum it is about your personal views.

    You and I can freely choose to be “against all”, but it is not about us, we are looking at how “opposition” is treated. In US at has been lately absolutely dismal.

    The opposition in the US is not sent off to a Siberia penal colony because the dictator is insecure and afraid of debate.

    For all your hatred of Trump, he is a legitimate opposition with massive support unlike Navalny.

    Navalny was not allowed to be the opposition to anything. Putin is coward and does not let anyone run against him. Navalny was trapped inside of a totalitarian state prison and the 5'1 dwarf dictator had him killed. World is so impressed with Russia. Marxist economics were clearly a failure in the 1920s and yet the Russians stuck with it until 1991. Instead of developing into a normal country they let a dwarf dictator take over and start a war. Do all the damage control you want here but the world views Russia as a loser country.

    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.

    Would you please read about the case before commenting? It wasn't a building project. He was borrowing against an existing property. He added floors to multiple buildings.

    Adding 9 floors to a downtown NYC building in order to inflate the price is fraud. He also lied about the location. It wasn't just one building and it wasn't just floors. But maybe try reading about the case before adding your opinion. Yes we realize you believe that politicians should be allowed to break the rules. Well Trump learned that you can't lie on loan applications and get away with it. This isn't Russia where the dwarf breaks his own law on television all the time (calling it a war instead of an SMO).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    “Do I Look like a Gentleman to you?”

    There are no normal countries.

  421. @LatW
    @Beckow


    If we fund a “law-and-order” political initiative in Malmo and get like-minded locals to manage it, Sweden will shut it down in no time – it doesn’t fit their ideology. Freedom or not, they wouldn’t allow it. Imagine that Russia would do it – it would be called an “invasion”, any locals would be rounded up and charged. And Sweden is a relatively sober country.
     
    That's not how it works in Sweden anymore these days. It's no longer primarily about ideology but about public safety, peace. They are just mitigating at this point. For example, if there was a group that acted against migrants or a group that went out to protest some far right activist who had been imprisoned, then, yes, they might police that group, partly so that the opposite side (the antifas and the "concerned public" wearing pink hats) would not react and cause disturbances. This is the reality in Western Europe these days. The authorities want to prevent a BLM style chimp out with windows being smashed and businesses looted. Thus they have such vigilance. The prevalent ideology does come into the picture, but it is not the primary motivation for policing the streets. And even the ideology has changed in Sweden recently.

    It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical "law-and-order" political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention. Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external "help" (which isn't always even real help). They should lead by example, as has always been the case. The best law and order group is the one consisting of local militias - and the Swedish men would look very good in that context, because they can be physically quite impressive. So their mere presence, with the right attitude, should be enough to make any delinquents back off or calm down (or hopefully - leave for good). When it comes to their attitude, they don't even have to go too far and become too aggressive - even if you add just a little bit of national or selfish assertiveness, literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    If Navalny had ever got a sniff at Power as some kind of Russian ethnonationalist, on platform rejecting the Eurasians nearby half the white people in Moscow would end up dead in short order. Blockades by the Mongols to the east and the Poles to the west, with no resupply from the Anglo Saxons this time.

    There’s some legitimacy to the theory white nationalists in the US are cannon fodder for the enemies of the US state.

  422. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Poles are hopeless. What drives too many of them is narcissistic self-hatred. The combination is lethal, they “march” because they are idiots with crappy lives who always blame others.
     
    I don’t personally know many Poles, but among the ones I know most are sane and generally normal. If Polish democracy is like American, with elections a ruse for the gullible, ordinary Poles have no way of influencing their government.

    I thought they were weirdly dumb until we encountered the Ukies…
     
    In loser competition Ukies are certainly number one. Even Kurds are now distant second. I am not sure Poles are even in the top ten: the competition is fierce.

    Replies: @Beckow

    the competition is fierce…

    It is volatile. They jump over each other to outdo the devotional idiocy – today almost always for the West. It has a lot to do with the basic self-esteem, Poles do ok there and on a personal level I like them. Ukies not so much, but they are also likable in person – what the f..k is happening in Kiev I will never understand.

    One candidate is the often over-looked Bulgaria: in a direct collapse for years. If the trend continues it will be literally empty with a few Gypsy encampments and weed-covered fields maybe repopulated by Third Worlders. If this is not by design the Davos guys are missing a great opportunity.

  423. @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.
     
    Just some irrelevant, anti-Democrat action. As I say, Trump did the same thing and nothing positive at all happened from US to Russsia.

    Putin’s blogger defenders in the US are disproportionately criminal and incel.
     
    I could have it wrong, but isn't there supposed to be a love-triangle in there between Julia Ioffe- Richard Spencer - and this Nina-Russian blogger wife of his?

    So you visit Unz but have never heard of Andrew Anglin?
     
    Correct.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.

    Just some irrelevant, anti-Democrat action. As I say, Trump did the same thing and nothing positive at all happened from US to Russsia.

    You said he didn’t have US support and I named two of his supporters. In the US he has Anglin (wanted criminal and Neo Nazi), Fuentes (proud incel and White nationalist), Scott Ritter (convicted sex criminal), Judge Napolitano (accused of sexually assaulting two men), and Douglas MacGregor.

    Which means MacGregor is the oddball for not having a conviction or weird sexual traits.

    What a fine group that lines up to defend Putin.

    In the Uk he has Russel Brand (multiple sexual harassment accusations), Roger Waters (sexual accusations and NeoNazi statements), and Duran (immigrant lawyer convicted of fraud).

    I guess he also has that failed liberal comedian turned wanna-be alt-right guy. He didn’t become a Hollywood star so he now pretends to be an edgy talk show host. Jimmy Dore or something.

    I could have it wrong, but isn’t there supposed to be a love-triangle in there between Julia Ioffe- Richard Spencer – and this Nina-Russian blogger wife of his?

    No idea. White nationalist soap operas are really not my interest. I sometimes post on Anglin’s blog but only because he is here and pathetically tries to run damage control for Putin. I don’t care for White nationalism and in fact I think it just feeds liberalism. It just becomes a 30 second time slot on CNN. Anglin types become mascots to the establishment. Cartoony villains sold to liberals watching at home.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @John Johnson

    Good news, the war is closer to ending, and the liberation of the Donbass is nearer.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/17/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukraines-forces-withdraw-from-avdiivka?page=with:block-65d086868f08fee2fe08cb93&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation


    Some Ukrainian soldiers withdrawing from Avdiivka have described a chaotic retreat on social media.

    One troop wrote on Instagram that the hasty withdrawal meant there was no time to evacuate weapons and equipment, nor to burn papers and plant mines in the way of advancing Russian troops. “The road to Avdiivka is littered with our corpses,” he wrote.
     

    Replies: @John Johnson

  424. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    For business in Lvov – Russian is absolutely essential in many aspects. For those working in the tourism – Russian absolutely essential. Around the University’s and the whole student areas – Russian is very, very noticeable
     
    That is not what you said.

    You wrote:

    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc
     
    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn't know what is going on in the places you've been.

    Russian certainly exists and is noticeable, but it is not the majority in Lviv.

    Lviv is about 15% Russian-speaking, this has been declining every year as the Soviet colonists who came to the city from Russian-speaking areas of the USSR die of old age (their children and grandchildren intermarry and speak Ukrainian). There was a massive exodus of Russian-speakers in 1990, the city was perhaps 40% Russian-speaking in Soviet times.

    In Lviv one does hear Russian spoken by tourists from other, Russian-speaking, regions of Ukraine. A lot of people from Kiev or Kharkiv who couldn't afford to visit Prague would take a train and spend a few days in Lviv, enjoying the city, its cafes, etc. So there is plenty of Russian in the touristy center. One also hears a lot of Russian in Vienna, too, I'm sure at particular times English is overrunning Czech in central Prague, etc.

    As for business - I don't do business there. I imagine they speak Russian if doing business with clients in Kharkiv or Kiev.

    https://www.facebook.com/AntinMykharskyi/posts/1111011112621088?ref=embed_post
     
    That's an interesting observation. He is complaining about more Russian being spoken in Lviv than before (post was from 2019). Apparently people from places like Kiev are buying second homes in that charming city. There are also Russian-speaking "refugees" from Donbas living there and bringing the Russian language with them. So probably the trend has reversed itself and the percentage of Russian-speakers is greater than 15%. With the war, Lviv has seen an even greater influx of easterners. But majority is absurdity. And if they stay, they will assimilate as have the descendants of the Soviet colonists. It is as easy for Russian-speakers to assimilate in an Ukrainian-speaking city as it is for Ukrainian-speakers to assimilate in a Russian-speaking one.

    In Poland they are also complaining about an influx of Russian-speakers from eastern Ukraine and lots of Russian being spoken in Warsaw, so Lviv and Poland have a mutual problem.

    This comment was realistic:

    "Таки туристи. Я як львів'янин відрізняю. Є і місцеві, але місцеві все ж використовують українську в спілкуванні з місцевиими. Хоча є й затяті. То ті, яякі понаїхали в совєтський час."

    AP – someone who has never been to western Ukraine, can’t speak Ukrainian
     
    I had been visiting western and central Ukraine about every 4 years until Covid and the war (so, have not been there since 2017). I might go in 2025. I talk to my cousins every couple of months on facetime/facebook messenger, which is free. I speak Ukrainian well enough to be taken for a native of Lviv when I am in Kiev; in Lviv they ask me how old I was when I moved to the USA (I am the 2nd generation born abroad).

    I can’t think of a single Pole who was a success from the 2 other empires they were cuckholded in (Austrian and Prussian), but in Russian there was plenty. Same thing for Banderetards
     
    There may not have been personal computers if not for this Ukrainian guy from Galicia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubomyr_Romankiw

    https://www.invent.org/inductees/lubomyr-romankiw

    He was a Ukrainian patriot, too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.

    Poor, poor Gerard, he’s managed to set himself up once again! 🙂

  425. @AP
    @Beckow


    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.
     
    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?

    I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace, and that if Trump hadn't gotten involved in politics nobody would have cared or investigated. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by some mob-adjacent activities in his past, either. But then such people probably shouldn't run for office, given the fact that they probably have a history of regularly breaking the law. There's a Ukrainian expression - тихше їдеш, дальше будеш (the quieter you go, the further you'll get). Corrupt builders with lots of skeletons in their closets probably shouldn't get into politics where their every move will be scrutinized. Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open - although cheating hasn't harmed Trump.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.

    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans? I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace

    Why do you automatically jump to fraud? Why not a perfectly innocent explanation? Government regulators demanded a shorter building before permitting construction? Raw material prices went up and the project was reshaped to the available funding? There are any number of legitimate reasons to change design.

    The lender made their own evaluation. One that did not directly rely on the application. They cut Trump’s net worth in half and still thought it was a good risk. And, they did in fact make a profit on the deal. There is simply no fraud.

    It is incredibly obvious that the fraudulent judge is decrepit and likely corrupt. The fake charges are horrendous. The fake rulings are boon to Trump as they prove he is both correct and virtuous.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/-Pkqm7rHoxQSYaeuRa5PQIAHV4I=/800x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/7TERS5NZEVABND24GB5YTPFANQ.jpg

  426. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @YetAnotherAnon

    War is great for business. Stay out of the lines of fire now.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    It’s not great for UK business.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/octobertodecember2023

    Within production, manufacturing was the largest contributor to the 1.0% fall, with 10 out of the 13 manufacturing sub-sectors performing negatively over this period.

    Manufacturing output is estimated to have fallen by 0.9% in Quarter 4 2023 after four consecutive quarters of growth. The largest negative contributors are a 7.0% decline in the manufacture of machinery and equipment n.e.c and a 4.7% fall in the manufacture of rubber and plastics products, and other non-metallic mineral products.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It's great for business.**

    ** In the sense that the rich get richer which has always been the practical criterion.

    If you are worried about inflation or job loss you are not rich. A recession means nothing more to those folks than an abundance of investment opportunity.

  427. @A123
    @AP



    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.
     
    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans? I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace
     
    Why do you automatically jump to fraud? Why not a perfectly innocent explanation? Government regulators demanded a shorter building before permitting construction? Raw material prices went up and the project was reshaped to the available funding? There are any number of legitimate reasons to change design.

    The lender made their own evaluation. One that did not directly rely on the application. They cut Trump's net worth in half and still thought it was a good risk. And, they did in fact make a profit on the deal. There is simply no fraud.

    It is incredibly obvious that the fraudulent judge is decrepit and likely corrupt. The fake charges are horrendous. The fake rulings are boon to Trump as they prove he is both correct and virtuous.

    PEACE 😇

     
    http://i.imgur.com/D4EYYw1.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  428. @AP
    @Beckow


    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.
     
    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?

    I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace, and that if Trump hadn't gotten involved in politics nobody would have cared or investigated. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by some mob-adjacent activities in his past, either. But then such people probably shouldn't run for office, given the fact that they probably have a history of regularly breaking the law. There's a Ukrainian expression - тихше їдеш, дальше будеш (the quieter you go, the further you'll get). Corrupt builders with lots of skeletons in their closets probably shouldn't get into politics where their every move will be scrutinized. Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open - although cheating hasn't harmed Trump.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    Are you sure it is not because you just don’t like his politics? Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”…how does one value assets accurately? It is like asking you how pretty is your wife.

    You may as well exclude any business person over 30 from public life. From Scholz (dodgy accounting), Sunak ‘investments’, Macron, to Romney, Clinton they all had lots of “paper” violations. So did Navalny. Selective justice is no justice.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can’t harass its main opponent with endless bs ‘legal’ violations right before the elections. That’s not a democracy – that’s what happens in fake one-party states. You can equally dig through Biden’s 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets – or worse. Anyone can do it – but free countries refrain from doing it.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation – US is becoming a joke, people around the world are not stupid. First trying to run the wife of the former president against brother and son of another one? Like some Gambia nepotistic hell-hole. Now the very transparent legal harassment.

    Get a hold of yourselves – the Ukie hovels or even the gender-fluidity are not worth it. You will regret it for decades. At a minimum, how is US ever going to have credibility critisizing anyone else? We are not that stupid.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Are you sure it is not because you just don’t like his politics?
     
    Well, I did vote for him.

    I am somewhat agnostic about Trump's politics regarding Ukraine. Some of the people latching onto him and riding his coattails are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, but he does his own thing (he was proud of having shepherded the incredibly quick Covid vaccine; his followers tend to be anti-vaxxers). I am not fully pleased with the over-cautious Biden administration. Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better. He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been. Trump's idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump's idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins - otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    It will be clearer as the election approaches. The VP choice will be a signal.

    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”
     
    It may be customary for businessmen-real estate developers in corrupt cities to lie in order to fraudulently obtain loans, and that usually nobody bothers to check. In that case, people from this class probably shouldn't run for office if they don't want to be investigated and have their crimes exposed.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can’t harass its main opponent with endless bs ‘legal’ violations right before the elections
     
    If the main opponent happens to have an extensive history of breaking the law, what should Biden do? Give a free pass? This will provide an incentive for law-breakers to run for office.

    Do you think that if Trump wins, the Biden family should be immune from investigation?

    You can equally dig through Biden’s 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets
     
    I'm sure they are doing just that. Trump has been doing more than mere clerical errors, apparently.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation – US is becoming a joke, people around the world
     
    Corrupt criminal rich guy with sketchy business practices running for office on a populist platform - America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”…how does one value assets accurately? It is like asking you how pretty is your wife.
     
    I have actually spent some time this past couple of days reading MSM articles on this trial, to see if I was missing something and things were not as bad as they look. My conclusion is that they really are as bad as they look. There's nothing there. Just a crime with no victims where all they did was embellish their collateral the way you and I would do when trying to get a loan. I've been in business and I've seen people do this as a matter of course. Banks know the game perfectly well and that's why they have their armies of appraisers and risk calculators. They verified the valuations, arrived at their own assessment, lent out the money anyway and actually made profits from it. It's just unreal to see people here defend this charade.

    I'm honestly worried about November. They've lost any constraints (not that they had many left after the Russiagate comedy and the FBI transformation into the KGB) and they really want to imprison the candidate that half of Americans want to be their president. Things may get ugly.

    Trump is a tremendously flawed candidate. Definitely not the right person to lead the fight in the culture and ideological wars of the moment. But I think they're making the same mistake as in 2016, when the 24x7 media propaganda against him made people vote for him out of spite. Only this time it's much worse: they're trying to outright bankrupt and imprison him, possibly for life. I see no choice but to vote for him. As an old Basque political slogan goes, 'vote where it hurts them the most'.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  429. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    And disparaged by one other master diaspora Ukrainian. I was born in the US, love my country and enjoy living here. What's your lame excuse for living here? If you appreciate Putler so much, enjoy Russian culture too, why don't you emigrate there and retire?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I was born in the US, love my country and enjoy living here.

    If you love this country, you should hate Biden’s puppeteers and the rest of the clique that faked 2020 elections: they are ruining the US at a rate beyond the wildest dreams of its enemies.

    • Agree: A123, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, if you look at the US or the UK even around 1980, what's happened since is a tragedy.

    I worked in British industry in the 1970s and while some of the Brit machine tools were WW2 veterans, caged for safety, the new American ones were fantastic, quick and with safety features that stopped them dead in case of a jam or other issue. Later on in my career I noticed less and less of our lab gear was American and more and more was German, now even if it says "General Electric" on the kit, it's made in China.

    Used to see lots of American tourists with their families in Stratford, come to see Shakespeare's house and maybe go to a play.

    I guess the signs were there even in the late 1980s - as the Amtrak "Empire Builder" rolled through Milwaukee it looked just like the incipient UK rust belt. Sad!

    But JJ thinks the people who sent the jobs first to Mexico, then Japan, then China and the Far East, are the people we should support.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    I've never been convinced that Biden used fraud and chicanery in winning the last election. It was gone over in quite a bit of detail here in AZ, and nothing was found -0-. Biden's time is about up, I don't think he'll score another election victory. Everybody knows that he's just too old to hang around.

    I know that you enjoy good political humor, what do you think about this one, or Russia's intent to nuclearize space?

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/18859859_web1_web_RAMclr-021724-russia-nuke-SAT-EXTRA.jpg?resize=720,480

    I thought this one was pretty good too:

    https://www.michaelpramirez.com/uploads/3/4/9/8/34985326/mrz021524-color-copy-jpg-900kb_orig.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  430. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234


    Anglin and Fuentes both declared their official support for Putin.
     
    Just some irrelevant, anti-Democrat action. As I say, Trump did the same thing and nothing positive at all happened from US to Russsia.

    You said he didn't have US support and I named two of his supporters. In the US he has Anglin (wanted criminal and Neo Nazi), Fuentes (proud incel and White nationalist), Scott Ritter (convicted sex criminal), Judge Napolitano (accused of sexually assaulting two men), and Douglas MacGregor.

    Which means MacGregor is the oddball for not having a conviction or weird sexual traits.

    What a fine group that lines up to defend Putin.

    In the Uk he has Russel Brand (multiple sexual harassment accusations), Roger Waters (sexual accusations and NeoNazi statements), and Duran (immigrant lawyer convicted of fraud).

    I guess he also has that failed liberal comedian turned wanna-be alt-right guy. He didn't become a Hollywood star so he now pretends to be an edgy talk show host. Jimmy Dore or something.

    I could have it wrong, but isn’t there supposed to be a love-triangle in there between Julia Ioffe- Richard Spencer – and this Nina-Russian blogger wife of his?

    No idea. White nationalist soap operas are really not my interest. I sometimes post on Anglin's blog but only because he is here and pathetically tries to run damage control for Putin. I don't care for White nationalism and in fact I think it just feeds liberalism. It just becomes a 30 second time slot on CNN. Anglin types become mascots to the establishment. Cartoony villains sold to liberals watching at home.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Good news, the war is closer to ending, and the liberation of the Donbass is nearer.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/17/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukraines-forces-withdraw-from-avdiivka?page=with:block-65d086868f08fee2fe08cb93&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation

    Some Ukrainian soldiers withdrawing from Avdiivka have described a chaotic retreat on social media.

    One troop wrote on Instagram that the hasty withdrawal meant there was no time to evacuate weapons and equipment, nor to burn papers and plant mines in the way of advancing Russian troops. “The road to Avdiivka is littered with our corpses,” he wrote.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Withdrawing from Avdiivka was expected months ago.

    No one expected them to hold it given how far it was from supply lines.

    Ukraine however made the choice to use it to kill Russians when in the defensive position.

    I think it was the right move and in fact last year I said that big arrow type offensives are too risky in this war.

  431. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It's not great for UK business.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/octobertodecember2023


    Within production, manufacturing was the largest contributor to the 1.0% fall, with 10 out of the 13 manufacturing sub-sectors performing negatively over this period.

    Manufacturing output is estimated to have fallen by 0.9% in Quarter 4 2023 after four consecutive quarters of growth. The largest negative contributors are a 7.0% decline in the manufacture of machinery and equipment n.e.c and a 4.7% fall in the manufacture of rubber and plastics products, and other non-metallic mineral products.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    It’s great for business.**

    ** In the sense that the rich get richer which has always been the practical criterion.

    If you are worried about inflation or job loss you are not rich. A recession means nothing more to those folks than an abundance of investment opportunity.

  432. @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    Polish (coward) WW2 government in exile ran away to London (hilariously this government declared War on Japan after Hawaii attack - Japan was one of their top 2 ally before 1939), most of the anti-Tsarist Polish diaspora ran away to America, then there is the big French influence on Polish elite.

    So UK, US & France - after Germany are the 3 biggest enemies for Russia , each containing large numbers of Polish elite that ranaway and played a role in forming those countries foreign policies to Russia......and I am sure forming policy for anti-Russian propaganda in Poland domestically.

    Separating what is their influence, and what is solely Polish own domestic loser mentality is something difficult to do

    I wouldn't have thought in 1991 that Armenian relationship to Russians would be so much better than Gruzians like now. If anything I thought Gruzians were more russophile than Armenians (well, maybe the same). I do seriously think foreign western influence, more than anti-Russian Gruzians from 1991, have played the biggest role in that.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Separating what is their influence, and what is solely Polish own domestic loser mentality is something difficult to do

    Two sides of the same coin. Poles have had it tough for centuries and they are poorly endowed in resources – they have coal, marshy fields and bisons, but Poland is not exactly picturesque or rich. Others mistreated them, mostly Germans.

    They were for years so defeated by the Germans that they absorbed the mentality of seeing themselves through German eyes. Their Vatican-Catholic thing is a joke – Jesuits f..ed them over and the pathos of the Polish belief in little statues, virgins (?), and guys in black robes paralyzed their thinking.

    I have always suggested to my Polish friends that they should relocate their sad tribe somewhere to the extreme north-west to be closer to the promised lands they worship. Maybe Greenland or Yukon. They are clearly unhappy where they are, scared of the “Asiats” to the east and not respected by their immediate neighbors to the west and south. It is tough to be a Polack…but in person they tend to be nice.

  433. @Matra
    @John Johnson

    The real point is that he is free to run because this isn’t a totalitarian state where an angry dwarf kills the competition.

    Your ruling class is currently using lawfare to bankrupt and even imprison the main competition to your dear leader. When Trump was President they even invented a conspiracy theory about Russian collusion and used their control of the media to propagate the conspiracy theory. Civil servants, within his government even doctored documents on behalf of their commitment to the conspiracy theory and got away with slaps on the wrist, even becoming heroes promoted by your, in effect, state media. The idea that after the last decade the US is in a position to lecture Russia or anyone else is laughable to virtually everyone on earth who is not brainwashed by the American media complex.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    The idea that after the last decade the US is in a position to lecture Russia or anyone else is laughable to virtually everyone on earth who is not brainwashed by the American media complex.

    What you write here is all sadly true and I think that things keep actually getting worse in the US. Multiple trials against the presidential candidate leading in the polls, all clearly politically motivated and coordinated to take place during the election year, is totally unprecedented. It’s Beria’s principle of “find me the man and I’ll find his crime” playing out before our eyes while the majority of the media act as if was just ordinary justice being delivered. Even here at Unz we see simpletons like JoJo brainwashed by that media and believing that fines of hundreds of millions of dollars for trying to inflate your assets in a loan application that the banks accepted after valuing the assets down by themselves is normal judicial practice.

    However, I think that it is important to keep the compass straight. Things have deteriorated markedly in the last years but we’ve all known much higher levels of freedom that we should try to return to. I think that democracy still works reasonably well in some European countries, even though the seeds of corruption and mass censorship are also present there, and European societies don’t have the vitality that you can still find in the US to some extent (hence Trump’s victory in 2016 and the subsequent antidemocratic reaction of TPTB).

    Democracy in the West was probably always controlled to some extent or another but even an open Putin supporter like AnonfromTN, who has lived here for over 30 years, acknowledges that he’s seen more freedom and less dysfunction in the past. However, contrary to what some Westerners seem to start thinking, countries like Russia and China have very little to offer if the objective is to return to the best traditions of the West. They lived under tyrants for basically all of their history, while people in Western countries enjoyed high levels of personal freedom combined with prosperity that they never achieved.

    I don’t even think that Eastern Europe in general is too much of a role model. For the time being they’re certainly in a much better shape when it comes to Western problems like wokeness but they also come from a dictatorial past, are still trying to catch up to the West and I don’t think that they realize too well how abnormal the current situation in the West is. If most of the regular commenters we have here from that region are anything to go by, all they care about is that the political forces in the West align with their narrow anti-Russian interests. It’s hard to think of worse allies in the combat against media distortion and mass censorship. As long as both work in their interest, they seem to be totally fine with them. See that Estonian politician calling for Tucker’s travel ban to the EU as an example. Not too surprising, considering their own recent past.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Mikel


    If most of the regular commenters we have here from that region are anything to go by, all they care about is that the political forces in the West align with their narrow anti-Russian interests. It’s hard to think of worse allies in the combat against media distortion and mass censorship
     
    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull but they went along with it because they want Uncle Sap to stay in Europe and defend them so they can spend their money on other things. Very cynical. Even with Britain playing a major role in Ukraine they've pretty much all sided with Germany & France against the UK in Brexit-related issues and the non-NATO & non contributor to European defence, the Irish Republic, against the UK in their ongoing border dispute.

    BTW I noticed last week when Donald Tusk decided to insult US Republicans for caring more about their own border than Ukraine's that Polish right wingers were claiming Tusk doesn't speak for Poles because, apparently, he is actually loyal to Germany and is running Poland on behalf of his fellow Germans!

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Democracy in the West was probably always controlled to some extent or another but even an open Putin supporter like AnonfromTN, who has lived here for over 30 years, acknowledges that he’s seen more freedom and less dysfunction in the past.
     
    Let me clarify a few thugs. Indeed, things in the US were way better even 25 years ago. The decline started with the “Patriot Act”, which is blatantly unconstitutional, but was cheered on by the majority of the public. Iraq war was sold to the public using a pack of lies. In the process US spying agencies lost professionals with self-esteem, only worthless yes-men were kept, because they readily signed off on those lies. Concentration camp in Guantanamo was another sign of things going South.

    However, the destruction of the judicial system following 2020 “elections” was unprecedented, brought us to Zimbabwe level of “justice”. Next the financial system was eroded by open theft of Iranian, Venezuelan, Afghan, and then Russian assets. Financial system can only function based on trust, and the trust it at zero level now. The morons do not even understand that they are undermining the US dollar. They also do not understand that both sides can play by the same rules: when Russian assets were frozen, Russia essentially froze Western assets inside the country. If Russian assets get stolen (as Western politicians are saying more and more often), Russia will steal Western assets, and their value is much greater than that of Russian assets the West intends to steal.

    As to Putin, I have no particular feelings towards him. He is way smarter than current Western “leaders”, but that is very easy, considering the kind of crap Western elites currently use as figureheads. My main thing is, if he intends to exterminate current Kiev regime and hang banderies on lampposts, he has my full support. If he signs some kind of “Minsk-3”, I am going to be vehemently against him.

  434. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    I was born in the US, love my country and enjoy living here.
     
    If you love this country, you should hate Biden’s puppeteers and the rest of the clique that faked 2020 elections: they are ruining the US at a rate beyond the wildest dreams of its enemies.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. Hack

    Yes, if you look at the US or the UK even around 1980, what’s happened since is a tragedy.

    I worked in British industry in the 1970s and while some of the Brit machine tools were WW2 veterans, caged for safety, the new American ones were fantastic, quick and with safety features that stopped them dead in case of a jam or other issue. Later on in my career I noticed less and less of our lab gear was American and more and more was German, now even if it says “General Electric” on the kit, it’s made in China.

    Used to see lots of American tourists with their families in Stratford, come to see Shakespeare’s house and maybe go to a play.

    I guess the signs were there even in the late 1980s – as the Amtrak “Empire Builder” rolled through Milwaukee it looked just like the incipient UK rust belt. Sad!

    But JJ thinks the people who sent the jobs first to Mexico, then Japan, then China and the Far East, are the people we should support.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @YetAnotherAnon


    if it says “General Electric” on the kit, it’s made in China.
     
    Post-industrialism, is kind of inevitable because of the changes of technology and productive forces in the world economy. Some of the countries, like Germany and Japan have managed the post-industrial transition more, than some of the countries like USA* and UK. At the extreme side, in the postsoviet countries there was probably the most scary transition, where whole cities' industry collapsed.

    Even in China, if the salary increases they will lose their share of many industries, giving them to areas with lower cost of production. Their question will be if they can follow Germany and Japan in managing to continue preserving a high share of industrial production.

    -

    * The USA created some of the more apocalyptic rustbelts. Maybe, a mix of the lack of public sphere and investment and idiosyncratic aspect of the governance.

    Nick Johnston creates many reports about rustbelt and rotbelt. He has a lot of different hypotheses, it's never known what are all the exact causes of the local dysfunctions. Perhaps, every area he visits has unique and special dysfunctions, like unhappy families.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYMxaCoOA1k

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  436. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    I was born in the US, love my country and enjoy living here.
     
    If you love this country, you should hate Biden’s puppeteers and the rest of the clique that faked 2020 elections: they are ruining the US at a rate beyond the wildest dreams of its enemies.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. Hack

    I’ve never been convinced that Biden used fraud and chicanery in winning the last election. It was gone over in quite a bit of detail here in AZ, and nothing was found -0-. Biden’s time is about up, I don’t think he’ll score another election victory. Everybody knows that he’s just too old to hang around.

    I know that you enjoy good political humor, what do you think about this one, or Russia’s intent to nuclearize space?

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/18859859_web1_web_RAMclr-021724-russia-nuke-SAT-EXTRA.jpg?resize=720,480

    I thought this one was pretty good too:

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Ramirez is a fucking weirdo.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  437. @Mikel
    @Matra


    The idea that after the last decade the US is in a position to lecture Russia or anyone else is laughable to virtually everyone on earth who is not brainwashed by the American media complex.
     
    What you write here is all sadly true and I think that things keep actually getting worse in the US. Multiple trials against the presidential candidate leading in the polls, all clearly politically motivated and coordinated to take place during the election year, is totally unprecedented. It's Beria's principle of "find me the man and I'll find his crime" playing out before our eyes while the majority of the media act as if was just ordinary justice being delivered. Even here at Unz we see simpletons like JoJo brainwashed by that media and believing that fines of hundreds of millions of dollars for trying to inflate your assets in a loan application that the banks accepted after valuing the assets down by themselves is normal judicial practice.

    However, I think that it is important to keep the compass straight. Things have deteriorated markedly in the last years but we've all known much higher levels of freedom that we should try to return to. I think that democracy still works reasonably well in some European countries, even though the seeds of corruption and mass censorship are also present there, and European societies don't have the vitality that you can still find in the US to some extent (hence Trump's victory in 2016 and the subsequent antidemocratic reaction of TPTB).

    Democracy in the West was probably always controlled to some extent or another but even an open Putin supporter like AnonfromTN, who has lived here for over 30 years, acknowledges that he's seen more freedom and less dysfunction in the past. However, contrary to what some Westerners seem to start thinking, countries like Russia and China have very little to offer if the objective is to return to the best traditions of the West. They lived under tyrants for basically all of their history, while people in Western countries enjoyed high levels of personal freedom combined with prosperity that they never achieved.

    I don't even think that Eastern Europe in general is too much of a role model. For the time being they're certainly in a much better shape when it comes to Western problems like wokeness but they also come from a dictatorial past, are still trying to catch up to the West and I don't think that they realize too well how abnormal the current situation in the West is. If most of the regular commenters we have here from that region are anything to go by, all they care about is that the political forces in the West align with their narrow anti-Russian interests. It's hard to think of worse allies in the combat against media distortion and mass censorship. As long as both work in their interest, they seem to be totally fine with them. See that Estonian politician calling for Tucker's travel ban to the EU as an example. Not too surprising, considering their own recent past.

    Replies: @Matra, @AnonfromTN

    If most of the regular commenters we have here from that region are anything to go by, all they care about is that the political forces in the West align with their narrow anti-Russian interests. It’s hard to think of worse allies in the combat against media distortion and mass censorship

    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull but they went along with it because they want Uncle Sap to stay in Europe and defend them so they can spend their money on other things. Very cynical. Even with Britain playing a major role in Ukraine they’ve pretty much all sided with Germany & France against the UK in Brexit-related issues and the non-NATO & non contributor to European defence, the Irish Republic, against the UK in their ongoing border dispute.

    BTW I noticed last week when Donald Tusk decided to insult US Republicans for caring more about their own border than Ukraine’s that Polish right wingers were claiming Tusk doesn’t speak for Poles because, apparently, he is actually loyal to Germany and is running Poland on behalf of his fellow Germans!

    • Replies: @AP
    @Matra


    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull
     
    While he was in office, Trump was popular in Eastern Europe because his policies were much better than Obama's had been. Obama was a disaster.

    The Trump collusion hoax was probably in part a Russian operation designed to discredit Trump and destabilize American politics. It looked like the Russians were reaching out to members of Trump's team and deliberately leaving a "trail of breadcrumbs" to imply collusion. I doubt that the Democrats colluded with the Russians on that, it would be funny if they did. Hillary had many ties with the Russians.

    http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/whos-truly-beholden-to-the-kremlin/



    Let’s cut through the hysteria and examine the facts.

    Long before Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump exchanged compliments, Bill Clinton received a phone call from Mr. Putin in 2010 thanking him personally for delivering a speech for $500,000, paid by a Russian investment bank that was promoting shares in a company that controlled 20 percent of America’s supply of uranium, a critical component in nuclear weapons.

    The State Department, led by Hillary Clinton, signed off on the deal just two months after her husband’s speech, enabling the Russian state nuclear agency to not only acquire 20 percent of America’s uranium but also own the land in which the deposits are located.

    She was also secretary of state when $145 million in donations reached the Clinton Foundation from the shareholders of the company that sold America’s uranium.

    Yet that wasn’t the only money the Clintons raised from the Russians that resulted in the exchange for sensitive materials.

    Out of 28 American, European and Russian companies that participated in the transfer of classified technology to the Skolkovo technology park outside of Moscow, 17 were Clinton Foundation donors or paid for speeches by Mr. Clinton.

    By 2014, when Russia was invading Ukraine, the FBI issued “an extraordinary warning” to several technology companies involved with Skolkovo. The true motives of the Russians is to gain access to classified, sensitive and emerging technology from the companies, an FBI agent warned.

    John Podesta, the chairman of the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, sat on the executive board, alongside key Russian officials, of an energy company that received the FBI’s warning. That didn’t stop him from accepting $35 million from a Putin-connected government fund.

    E-mails released by Wikileaks showed that Mr. Podesta continued to be involved in the company in 2015, even after the Russian invasion and after claiming to be divested. Furthermore, Mr. Podesta is reported to have received $5.25 million for his think tank, Center for American Progress, through a secretive chain of entities that could lead to Russian oligarchs, among them Ruben Vardanyan, who sat on the energy company board, according to the Government Accountability Institute.

    Hillary Clinton supporters erupted in outrage when Mr. Trump hired Paul Manafort to help run his campaign. (Is it not a positive signal that Mr. Trump dumped him after such criticism?) But their silence was deafening when it was revealed in late August that Mr. Manafort hired the Podesta Group to lobby on behalf of Viktor Yanukovych’s allies in the Party of Regions.

    The Podesta Group lobbied until 2014 to downplay the need for a congressional resolution to pressure Mr. Yanukovych to release Yulia Tymoshenko from prison, the Associated Press reported. Moreover, it failed to file the proper paperwork, making the lobbying illegal.

    Clinton supporters also drummed up hysteria about Mr. Trump being too busy to meet with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.

    Yet that pales in comparison to the very same Mr. Podesta – having already taken millions as part of sensitive technology transfers – reacting with disinterest (as revealed by Wikileaks) to Victor Pinchuk’s pleas to get Mr. Clinton and a group of Western leaders to voice support for Ukraine as the Russian military aggression peaked in the winter of 2015.

    Now the FBI has confirmed this week that its investigations of Mr. Trump, launched in the summer, have uncovered no ties to the Kremlin. Nothing. Nichoho. Zero.

    Voters should consider that the Clintons and Mr. Podesta have far more questionable ties to the Kremlin, possibly criminal, than Mr. Trump and his entourage.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mikel
    @Matra


    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull but they went along with it
     
    Well, to be fair, the most unhinged ones do seem to believe that the US and Western Europe are full of politicians paid by the Kremlin. I've even seen that type of talk here in these threads. But that only makes it worse.

    Whatever they believe, I don't see how EEs are going to help us return to the freedom of thought and speech that we used to enjoy. Not so long ago you could jokingly use ethnic slurs in corporate emails without fear of getting fired, companies and institutions weren't releasing woke statements all the time explaining what "their values" are (straight out of the Communist manual, why should a private company have any political "values"?) and not all journalists were liars at the service of the same ideas. It's much more likely that EEs will adopt all these vices and, when it comes to wrongthink on matters like Russia/Ukraine, they will be the main enforcers of censorship. Both things are already happening, I think, though I guess it's good to have some contrarians like Orban, Fico and the Poles standing up to Brussels from time to time, even if they all eventually cave in.
  438. @Beckow
    @AP

    Are you sure it is not because you just don't like his politics? Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be "fraud"...how does one value assets accurately? It is like asking you how pretty is your wife.

    You may as well exclude any business person over 30 from public life. From Scholz (dodgy accounting), Sunak 'investments', Macron, to Romney, Clinton they all had lots of "paper" violations. So did Navalny. Selective justice is no justice.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can't harass its main opponent with endless bs 'legal' violations right before the elections. That's not a democracy - that's what happens in fake one-party states. You can equally dig through Biden's 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets - or worse. Anyone can do it - but free countries refrain from doing it.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation - US is becoming a joke, people around the world are not stupid. First trying to run the wife of the former president against brother and son of another one? Like some Gambia nepotistic hell-hole. Now the very transparent legal harassment.

    Get a hold of yourselves - the Ukie hovels or even the gender-fluidity are not worth it. You will regret it for decades. At a minimum, how is US ever going to have credibility critisizing anyone else? We are not that stupid.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    Are you sure it is not because you just don’t like his politics?

    Well, I did vote for him.

    I am somewhat agnostic about Trump’s politics regarding Ukraine. Some of the people latching onto him and riding his coattails are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, but he does his own thing (he was proud of having shepherded the incredibly quick Covid vaccine; his followers tend to be anti-vaxxers). I am not fully pleased with the over-cautious Biden administration. Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better. He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been. Trump’s idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump’s idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins – otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    It will be clearer as the election approaches. The VP choice will be a signal.

    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”

    It may be customary for businessmen-real estate developers in corrupt cities to lie in order to fraudulently obtain loans, and that usually nobody bothers to check. In that case, people from this class probably shouldn’t run for office if they don’t want to be investigated and have their crimes exposed.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can’t harass its main opponent with endless bs ‘legal’ violations right before the elections

    If the main opponent happens to have an extensive history of breaking the law, what should Biden do? Give a free pass? This will provide an incentive for law-breakers to run for office.

    Do you think that if Trump wins, the Biden family should be immune from investigation?

    You can equally dig through Biden’s 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets

    I’m sure they are doing just that. Trump has been doing more than mere clerical errors, apparently.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation – US is becoming a joke, people around the world

    Corrupt criminal rich guy with sketchy business practices running for office on a populist platform – America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better.
     
    Most likely about the same. US foreign policy is a fixed juggernaut, elections have little influence. The policy is currently lost and also losing in many places around the world. It would help to bring new faces to get out of those predicaments - Trump is not a new face and he comes with huge baggage and constraints.

    Zero percent loan with no due date? No kidding, and that is "finance"? How? So US would become a repo-man? Sweet, but idiotic.

    The legal harassment of Trump is stupid. All your platitude "answers" don't say anything - why isn't Biden or his son charged right now? Why wasn't Clinton? Selective justice is not justice.

    In a democracy it is better not to. Above all else is the rule: Salus populi suprema lex esto... Look that up, and think about what it means. Maybe it will enlighten you.


    America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.
     
    Careful, very different cases. Hungary elected an old anti-commie right-wing activist, Slovakia a proud socialist, Ukraine a flakey actor who turned out to be a warmonger. They don't have much in common - and almost no similarity to US. Maybe the fact that they are not time-serving life-long (thieving) byrocrats makes them stand apart. Is that what you really object to?
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been.
     
    That might have been in part to protect himself from allegations that he's a Russian stooge. He did need to worry about getting reelected in his first term, after all.

    He also praised Putin when Putin sent Russian troops to the Donbass on the eve of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. How would you feel if FDR would have praised Hitler on September 1, 1939?

    Trump’s idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump’s idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins – otherwise it will not get its loan back.
     
    Technically speaking, Ukraine can become prosperous without recovering all of its lost territories. That's what West Germany and South Korea did, after all. AFAIK, they claimed East Germany's and North Korea's territories but did not have them at the time that they built up their own prosperity, with US help.

    Stephen Kotkin actually advocates in favor of something similar. As in, if Ukraine can keep 90% of its territory but become a prosperous, functional, relatively non-corrupt European country, then this would be a huge success story for Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, what do you make of Trump's "Russia, if you're listening, hack the DNC's e-mails" comment back in 2016?

    As a side note, it appears that Hillary Clinton was also in favor of the US delivering lethal aid to Ukraine back in 2019:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/hillary-clinton-ukraine-transcript-reaction/index.html

    So, I'm unsure that she would have actually been softer than Trump was in this regard. You have to remember that Hillary was perceived as being more hawkish than Obama was, after all. But she wouldn't have withdrawn from Afghanistan like Trump/Biden did and thus the US would have continued wasting resources there that could have been spent on Ukraine instead.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I'm curious to know what you think about Nikki Halley? I just got through watching this recent interview with her, and found that a lot of her opinions mimic my own:

    https://youtu.be/neiU0DNobS0

    70% of Americans are looking for somebody other than either Trump or Biden...

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    If Trumps idea will go through it will incentivise America to make sure Ukraine wins - otherwise it will not get its loan back.
     
    LMAO, so to compensate for the fact you're a fraud trying to be ukrop diaspora.... you are adopting khokholnomics - the biggest financial illiteracy possible.

    Russian exports of JUST Uranium to the US, are more than entire Ukrop exports to US you cretin. Over 1.2 billion dollars just for that. Russian trade with the Americans is at least 10 times that of 404 with the US (SMO or no SMO).
    And that's with Russian trade with US, even in a good year (and Biden's first year was very good year of trade with US)..... being abysmal compared to Germany, France, UK etc.

    Russia is a much bigger export market now and as further potential for American high-tech products, machinery, agriculture...... than the failing pile of garbage, disaster economy of Ukraine could hope to be. Then there is the 600 billion dollars of Western assets in Russia. Numerous Russian resource and non-resource companies are successful and guarantee strong financial return for Western shareholders and organisations. Ukraine has almost zero of that in non-natural resource companies. A non-contest.

    People such as Sechin and Miller were literally begging mostly American-run western companies to invest in oil and gas exploration projects before 2014 and in sites that were about to go active.

    So the financial "incentive" to support Ukraine is diseased nonsense. JUST as export market for American workers, Russia "buys out" entire Banderite US aid money in 15 years, less than that if bilateral becomes similar to the other main European countries.
    For Ukronazis,Americans are guaranteed getting their money back......never. Even in 30 years from a zero chance "victory" is optimistic

    That is if you look at this as US deciding on Russia vs Ukraine.

    Of course US oil and gas and MIC earns from this (even though SMO has been disastrous PR for Pindostani MIC).
    US increase in trade about 100 billion USD with EU and lost about 100 billion USD with China in annual trade since SMO - so it does align with the US policy of reorientation against or away from China. However short, medium and long term the EU economies are made more uncompetitive with over expensive "freedom" oil and LNG, and having a lot of US military hardware forced on them.

    From financial point of view, backing Ukraine against Russia is as retarded as supporting North Korea as better for business than South Korea in 1995.

  439. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    I said in the last election that Biden should not be allowed to run based on medical reasons.
     

    It’s actually possible to not support Biden or Putin.

     

    It is not about your personal views, it is about what happens in a country.

    In a political forum it is about your personal views.

    You and I can freely choose to be “against all”, but it is not about us, we are looking at how “opposition” is treated. In US at has been lately absolutely dismal.

    The opposition in the US is not sent off to a Siberia penal colony because the dictator is insecure and afraid of debate.

    For all your hatred of Trump, he is a legitimate opposition with massive support unlike Navalny.

    Navalny was not allowed to be the opposition to anything. Putin is coward and does not let anyone run against him. Navalny was trapped inside of a totalitarian state prison and the 5'1 dwarf dictator had him killed. World is so impressed with Russia. Marxist economics were clearly a failure in the 1920s and yet the Russians stuck with it until 1991. Instead of developing into a normal country they let a dwarf dictator take over and start a war. Do all the damage control you want here but the world views Russia as a loser country.

    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.

    Would you please read about the case before commenting? It wasn't a building project. He was borrowing against an existing property. He added floors to multiple buildings.

    Adding 9 floors to a downtown NYC building in order to inflate the price is fraud. He also lied about the location. It wasn't just one building and it wasn't just floors. But maybe try reading about the case before adding your opinion. Yes we realize you believe that politicians should be allowed to break the rules. Well Trump learned that you can't lie on loan applications and get away with it. This isn't Russia where the dwarf breaks his own law on television all the time (calling it a war instead of an SMO).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    We are commenting on what we observe in different countries – you don’t get to ‘personally’ disassociate from what you don’t like about the West, it is part of the overall picture. You are fanatic in your extreme vocabulary about “enemy others” – so you need to explain the misdeeds on your own side. If you don’t, you come across as a desperate hypocrite.

    You hate Trump, fine, to each his own…but the legal war against the main presidential candidate based on bulls..t made-up cases, not prosecuted when others do it, is a horrible indictment of the American ‘democracy’…the mistake will haunt you for decades. Why not let the people vote and decide?

    You identify with the weirdo NY judge and the black thieving lying floozie. How can that be good for anyone? The cases will be dismissed, thrown out on appeal – or, the worse alternative, you will have mud on your collective face.

    Navalny was not the opposition – he didn’t have the numbers, 5% or less. He failed politically and was selectively charged. It happens in US, UK, France (Sarkozy), Russia. People died in the Western prisons under suspicious circumstances. Sticking “Siberia” into it only shows your poor emotional state.

    What happened to Navalny is a minor tragedy with no impact. What matters is the Ukies stupidly and at high cost losing a war they provoked. There is nothing you can do about it so you spew childish hatred.

  440. @Matra
    @Mikel


    If most of the regular commenters we have here from that region are anything to go by, all they care about is that the political forces in the West align with their narrow anti-Russian interests. It’s hard to think of worse allies in the combat against media distortion and mass censorship
     
    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull but they went along with it because they want Uncle Sap to stay in Europe and defend them so they can spend their money on other things. Very cynical. Even with Britain playing a major role in Ukraine they've pretty much all sided with Germany & France against the UK in Brexit-related issues and the non-NATO & non contributor to European defence, the Irish Republic, against the UK in their ongoing border dispute.

    BTW I noticed last week when Donald Tusk decided to insult US Republicans for caring more about their own border than Ukraine's that Polish right wingers were claiming Tusk doesn't speak for Poles because, apparently, he is actually loyal to Germany and is running Poland on behalf of his fellow Germans!

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull

    While he was in office, Trump was popular in Eastern Europe because his policies were much better than Obama’s had been. Obama was a disaster.

    The Trump collusion hoax was probably in part a Russian operation designed to discredit Trump and destabilize American politics. It looked like the Russians were reaching out to members of Trump’s team and deliberately leaving a “trail of breadcrumbs” to imply collusion. I doubt that the Democrats colluded with the Russians on that, it would be funny if they did. Hillary had many ties with the Russians.

    http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/whos-truly-beholden-to-the-kremlin/

    [MORE]

    Let’s cut through the hysteria and examine the facts.

    Long before Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump exchanged compliments, Bill Clinton received a phone call from Mr. Putin in 2010 thanking him personally for delivering a speech for $500,000, paid by a Russian investment bank that was promoting shares in a company that controlled 20 percent of America’s supply of uranium, a critical component in nuclear weapons.

    The State Department, led by Hillary Clinton, signed off on the deal just two months after her husband’s speech, enabling the Russian state nuclear agency to not only acquire 20 percent of America’s uranium but also own the land in which the deposits are located.

    She was also secretary of state when $145 million in donations reached the Clinton Foundation from the shareholders of the company that sold America’s uranium.

    Yet that wasn’t the only money the Clintons raised from the Russians that resulted in the exchange for sensitive materials.

    Out of 28 American, European and Russian companies that participated in the transfer of classified technology to the Skolkovo technology park outside of Moscow, 17 were Clinton Foundation donors or paid for speeches by Mr. Clinton.

    By 2014, when Russia was invading Ukraine, the FBI issued “an extraordinary warning” to several technology companies involved with Skolkovo. The true motives of the Russians is to gain access to classified, sensitive and emerging technology from the companies, an FBI agent warned.

    John Podesta, the chairman of the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, sat on the executive board, alongside key Russian officials, of an energy company that received the FBI’s warning. That didn’t stop him from accepting $35 million from a Putin-connected government fund.

    E-mails released by Wikileaks showed that Mr. Podesta continued to be involved in the company in 2015, even after the Russian invasion and after claiming to be divested. Furthermore, Mr. Podesta is reported to have received $5.25 million for his think tank, Center for American Progress, through a secretive chain of entities that could lead to Russian oligarchs, among them Ruben Vardanyan, who sat on the energy company board, according to the Government Accountability Institute.

    Hillary Clinton supporters erupted in outrage when Mr. Trump hired Paul Manafort to help run his campaign. (Is it not a positive signal that Mr. Trump dumped him after such criticism?) But their silence was deafening when it was revealed in late August that Mr. Manafort hired the Podesta Group to lobby on behalf of Viktor Yanukovych’s allies in the Party of Regions.

    The Podesta Group lobbied until 2014 to downplay the need for a congressional resolution to pressure Mr. Yanukovych to release Yulia Tymoshenko from prison, the Associated Press reported. Moreover, it failed to file the proper paperwork, making the lobbying illegal.

    Clinton supporters also drummed up hysteria about Mr. Trump being too busy to meet with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.

    Yet that pales in comparison to the very same Mr. Podesta – having already taken millions as part of sensitive technology transfers – reacting with disinterest (as revealed by Wikileaks) to Victor Pinchuk’s pleas to get Mr. Clinton and a group of Western leaders to voice support for Ukraine as the Russian military aggression peaked in the winter of 2015.

    Now the FBI has confirmed this week that its investigations of Mr. Trump, launched in the summer, have uncovered no ties to the Kremlin. Nothing. Nichoho. Zero.

    Voters should consider that the Clintons and Mr. Podesta have far more questionable ties to the Kremlin, possibly criminal, than Mr. Trump and his entourage.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    While he was in office, Trump was popular in Eastern Europe because his policies were much better than Obama’s had been. Obama was a disaster.
     
    I suspect that Trump's popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO. If he will get reelected, he will no longer have to worry about public opinion in the US.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW, @AP

  441. @AP
    @Beckow


    Are you sure it is not because you just don’t like his politics?
     
    Well, I did vote for him.

    I am somewhat agnostic about Trump's politics regarding Ukraine. Some of the people latching onto him and riding his coattails are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, but he does his own thing (he was proud of having shepherded the incredibly quick Covid vaccine; his followers tend to be anti-vaxxers). I am not fully pleased with the over-cautious Biden administration. Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better. He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been. Trump's idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump's idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins - otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    It will be clearer as the election approaches. The VP choice will be a signal.

    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”
     
    It may be customary for businessmen-real estate developers in corrupt cities to lie in order to fraudulently obtain loans, and that usually nobody bothers to check. In that case, people from this class probably shouldn't run for office if they don't want to be investigated and have their crimes exposed.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can’t harass its main opponent with endless bs ‘legal’ violations right before the elections
     
    If the main opponent happens to have an extensive history of breaking the law, what should Biden do? Give a free pass? This will provide an incentive for law-breakers to run for office.

    Do you think that if Trump wins, the Biden family should be immune from investigation?

    You can equally dig through Biden’s 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets
     
    I'm sure they are doing just that. Trump has been doing more than mere clerical errors, apparently.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation – US is becoming a joke, people around the world
     
    Corrupt criminal rich guy with sketchy business practices running for office on a populist platform - America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    …Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better.

    Most likely about the same. US foreign policy is a fixed juggernaut, elections have little influence. The policy is currently lost and also losing in many places around the world. It would help to bring new faces to get out of those predicaments – Trump is not a new face and he comes with huge baggage and constraints.

    Zero percent loan with no due date? No kidding, and that is “finance”? How? So US would become a repo-man? Sweet, but idiotic.

    The legal harassment of Trump is stupid. All your platitude “answers” don’t say anything – why isn’t Biden or his son charged right now? Why wasn’t Clinton? Selective justice is not justice.

    In a democracy it is better not to. Above all else is the rule: Salus populi suprema lex esto… Look that up, and think about what it means. Maybe it will enlighten you.

    America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.

    Careful, very different cases. Hungary elected an old anti-commie right-wing activist, Slovakia a proud socialist, Ukraine a flakey actor who turned out to be a warmonger. They don’t have much in common – and almost no similarity to US. Maybe the fact that they are not time-serving life-long (thieving) byrocrats makes them stand apart. Is that what you really object to?

  442. @songbird
    @QCIC

    Seems as though relatively few countries fluoridate water. Cavity rates in these countries have still fallen.

    But it is a bit hard to tell how many have naturally occurring fluoride or fluoridate salt.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_by_country

    Have heard that the children of a lot a migrants in the UK have rotten teeth.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Brushing your teeth should be helpful in preventing cavities even without fluoride in the water or in the toothpaste. People from the third world probably have more broken and chipped teeth.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC

    Heard that NutraSweet was originally developed to fight tooth decay (bacteria can't metabolize it as the chirality is wrong) rather than weight loss, but am not sure whether that is true. Probably they would have pitched it as doing both things.

    Some of the snacks South Asians eat seem like they would really rot teeth. (Don't know whether they have more rotten teeth in particular)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaggery

  443. @YetAnotherAnon
    @LatW


    "It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical “law-and-order” political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention."
     
    And if it's funded by the usual suspects?

    Cheerful news from the country where the rouble is rubble and washing machines are broken up for their chips... allowing for the fact that this is probably part of a rearmament push.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/15/rate-of-russian-military-production-worries-european-war-planners

    The transformation has put defence at the centre of Russia’s economy. Putin claimed this month that 520,000 new jobs had been created in the military-industrial complex, which now employs an estimated 3.5 million Russians, or 2.5% of the population. Machinists and welders in Russian factories producing war equipment are now making more money than many white-collar managers and lawyers, according to a Moscow Times analysis of Russian labour data in November.

    Putin on Thursday visited Uralvagonzavod, the country’s largest producer of main battle tanks, where workers boasted that it had been among the first to establish round the clock production. The Russian leader promised funding to help train an additional 1,500 qualified employees for the plant.

    As Russia’s war in Ukraine drags into its third year, the massive Russian investment in the military, projected this year to be the largest as a share of GDP since the Soviet Union, has worried European war planners, who have said Nato underestimated Russia’s ability to sustain a long-term war.

    “We still haven’t seen where is Russia’s breaking point,” said Mark Riisik, a deputy director in the policy planning department of Estonia’s defence ministry. “Basically one-third of their national budget is going on military production and on the war in Ukraine … But we don’t know when it will actually impact on society. So it’s a little bit challenging to say when will this stop.”

    “The war has led to an unprecedented redistribution of wealth, with the poorer classes profiting from government spending on the military-industrial complex,” said Denis Volkov, the director of the Levada Center, a polling and sociological research firm in Moscow. “Workers at military factories and families of soldiers fighting in Ukraine suddenly have much more money to spend. Their income has increased dramatically.”

    Levada’s polling showed that 5-6% of those who “previously did not have enough money to buy consumer goods like a fridge now have moved upwards towards the middle classes”.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    And if it’s funded by the usual suspects?

    It goes both ways – the US State Department funds groups that are harmful for Europe. This is just as bad as if Russia were to fund some “insurgency” in Europe to stoke chaos. It’s time for both of these to go.

  444. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    I think this may be true since this was backed up by some stats – married men live longer and have better health (not sure they are happier but it seems so), marriage civilizes men, and married people may also have it better financially, married men, if they stay married, win hands down

    I don't think it is true at all. I don't buy for one second that unmarried women are happier than unmarried men. Not past a certain age.

    This is one of those areas that is difficult to poll. You can't ask certain questions where people try to convince themselves of something being true.

    It's just as dubious as polling a question like what do you desire in a man? or are you a good person?

    Replies: @LatW

    I don’t think it is true at all. I don’t buy for one second that unmarried women are happier than unmarried men. Not past a certain age.

    The age is a separate issue – you might be surprised – a single younger woman is probably less happy than a single older woman (a younger woman cares more about being with somebody, especially if she has not yet procreated).

    I haven’t looked at this carefully, but there could be some truth to it. The point may not be so much that unmarried women are somehow happier than unmarried men, but that unmarried women tend to take better care of themselves than unmarried men (it’s a stereotype, of course, and men, too, are different, but in general). It’s possible that unmarried men drink more and are more likely to be homeless, etc, than unmarried women. I think this is how it’s been traditionally, although recently it’s gotten worse for women as well. Besides if a woman has children, she’ll never be lonely.

    Either way, both old school and new school feminists should be scrutinized – they may say a few things that happen to be correct, but they also spread a lot of questionable ideas and half-truths.

  445. @LatW
    @Beckow


    If we fund a “law-and-order” political initiative in Malmo and get like-minded locals to manage it, Sweden will shut it down in no time – it doesn’t fit their ideology. Freedom or not, they wouldn’t allow it. Imagine that Russia would do it – it would be called an “invasion”, any locals would be rounded up and charged. And Sweden is a relatively sober country.
     
    That's not how it works in Sweden anymore these days. It's no longer primarily about ideology but about public safety, peace. They are just mitigating at this point. For example, if there was a group that acted against migrants or a group that went out to protest some far right activist who had been imprisoned, then, yes, they might police that group, partly so that the opposite side (the antifas and the "concerned public" wearing pink hats) would not react and cause disturbances. This is the reality in Western Europe these days. The authorities want to prevent a BLM style chimp out with windows being smashed and businesses looted. Thus they have such vigilance. The prevalent ideology does come into the picture, but it is not the primary motivation for policing the streets. And even the ideology has changed in Sweden recently.

    It also depends on who would be funding this hypothetical "law-and-order" political initiative. If Russia, then clearly it is an intervention. Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external "help" (which isn't always even real help). They should lead by example, as has always been the case. The best law and order group is the one consisting of local militias - and the Swedish men would look very good in that context, because they can be physically quite impressive. So their mere presence, with the right attitude, should be enough to make any delinquents back off or calm down (or hopefully - leave for good). When it comes to their attitude, they don't even have to go too far and become too aggressive - even if you add just a little bit of national or selfish assertiveness, literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    …That’s not how it works in Sweden anymore these days.

    That’s not how it works in Russia either. That’s why foreign money funding political activity is a stupid idea, it doesn’t work, it is only a subterfuge to meddle and achieve other goals. That’s why Sweden, US, France ban it. And also Russia.. Navalny violated that law. If you don’t like the law, have you also objected to its Western versions?

    Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external “help”…Swedish men would look very good in that context…literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.

    But they don’t stand up. One wonders why. You are too much into this “Viking” mythology: Viking is a latter-day name for the Scandie pirates who rowed shallow seas to rob others. Most died doing it and their genetic composition was decisively mixed – bands of pirates are always very multi-cultural, anyone with an axe can join.

    Scandies of today are descendants of the peaceful farmers-shepherds who were much more likely to be victims of those Vikings. The nobility is heavily French-Italian-German. No Vikings there. Maybe that’s why the Scandies are taking it like helpless pups, they don’t have the ‘magical’ Viking DNA.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Navalny violated that law
     
    I'd have to look at what exactly you're referring to. I'm not sure his organization (the media outlet that exposed various corruption schemes) was entirely run by Western funding - I think a large chunk of that is funded by Russian liberals. Of course, Russian liberals is a slippery term as well - there is a difference between the likes of Khodorkovsky and other, less controversial homegrown ones.

    Besides, there have been many over the years who have received some Western funding. But they have not become as prominent. Also, Navalny was persecuted for a long time now - in line with the time frame corresponding to Russia's further slipping into totalitarianism. To drive a person into death merely because he got a bit of Western funding years ago? No. He was killed because of his political clout. And as intimidation - to show what Putin is able to do to everyone who lives in Russia - with impunity.

    And the very fact that a "penal colony in the North" even exists in 2024 - that alone is a fact that should've made everyone think, years ago. Yet these things have been ignored.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    You are too much into this “Viking” mythology: Viking is a latter-day name for the Scandie pirates who rowed shallow seas to rob others. Most died doing it and their genetic composition was decisively mixed – bands of pirates are always very multi-cultural, anyone with an axe can join.
     
    You may have missed a conversation I had a while back regarding this topic - I actually posted a video about Curonian pirates. So, yes, it was a mixed crowd in our region. It might also be the case that some of the more violent or assertive genetics have disappeared (plus they had wars after that, with significant loss of life). But I doubt they have disappeared entirely. For example, there is a lot of athleticism that hypothetically could be transferred into other avenues. Only a change in mentality is needed (that may not happen - or it may happen quickly). As I said, not much is needed in this case to become formidable. In combination with cool heads and rationality, which the Nords also possess, this could look pretty respectable.

    Replies: @Beckow

  446. The majority of Russians do not think that Ukraine ought to be allowed to become a part of what is seen as the anti Russia Washington alliance known as NATO. Had Ukraine continued its journey into the Western alliance it would have discredited Putin so much that he would have been replaced by a political opponent. Hence Putin started the war in order to avoid being overthrown and his legacy trampled. And it has worked. He cannot lose it unless he refuses, in the final extremity, to step up to the nuclear strike on Ukraine level; why wouldn’t he prefer to up the ante?

  447. @QCIC
    @songbird

    Brushing your teeth should be helpful in preventing cavities even without fluoride in the water or in the toothpaste. People from the third world probably have more broken and chipped teeth.

    Replies: @songbird

    Heard that NutraSweet was originally developed to fight tooth decay (bacteria can’t metabolize it as the chirality is wrong) rather than weight loss, but am not sure whether that is true. Probably they would have pitched it as doing both things.

    Some of the snacks South Asians eat seem like they would really rot teeth. (Don’t know whether they have more rotten teeth in particular)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaggery

  448. @songbird
    @Dmitry

    You will have to decide the merit of it:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarket_scanner_moment

    Replies: @Dmitry

    9,5 thousand rubles used to be perceived as high costs. For the context in Russia, there are signs in the street for something like construction workers like “workers wanted, we pay you 1000 rubles a day”. When the Nintendo Switch was released, I asked a question to the Russian gaming forum about who was going to buy the Switch and people in that time have been replying mostly in statements similar to “5000 rubles to buy a game, this is for the moneybags”.

    For the film, Carlson visits the French supermarket chain “Auchan”, which inside a shopping mall, in Moscow.

    At 1:24 he believes this is ‘fresh Russian bread’. It seems, he doesn’t know, it is not fresh bread, it is reheated bread, using cheap chemicals in the factory.

    I guess, Carlson is real upper class, so he doesn’t buy food, normally. Maybe, he has personal assistants who go to the organic bakery to refill the cupboards inside the house with high quality food. He doesn’t know supermarket bread are fake things only visually similar to the handmade bread from the bakery in Martha’s Vineyard.

    His reporting is very reliable someways, like he shows the cost of products on the cash register. At 2:35, he gives a very good observation about the Westernized products.

    In these ways, Russia has been Americanizing fast especially in the last 10 years. When you are comparing visiting Israel to Russia this year, many superficial things seem a lot more Americanized in Russia than in Israel. Shopping is one of the examples, it’s a lot more Americanized in Russian big cities than in Israel. It’s also more Americanized now than some European countries like Netherlands or Italy.

    Visiting the French supermarket chain in Moscow, he almost cannot say anything which is “culture shock” except the outside trolley escalator which is also not normal in Russia, because of the rapid speed of the globalization where perhaps the Northern cultures are less resisting.

    Carlson seems like he wants investment in public transport, he was very happy about the metro where people are crowded in a narrow space in a “communist” way. This is usually more common for people from areas like New York? Even being in the upper class, Trump said he used the metro to go to school everyday.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    Does Tucker Carlson know that Communists have better sex?

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry

    , @songbird
    @Dmitry

    There was this ruinously expensive extension they made of the city line of Boston, where there already was track for the commuter rail.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_Extension

    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was "mass transit." They looked like weirdos to me.

    I don't know if I am just overgeneralizing, but it seems to me that the average American has a wider concept of personal space even than many rural Europeans. And I think that the average American has disdain for it, calling them "cattle cars.". Sometimes, during rush hour, it is too many people for me, but I think a Japanese or German would just elbow their way in.

    Replies: @LatW

  449. @AP
    @Matra


    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull
     
    While he was in office, Trump was popular in Eastern Europe because his policies were much better than Obama's had been. Obama was a disaster.

    The Trump collusion hoax was probably in part a Russian operation designed to discredit Trump and destabilize American politics. It looked like the Russians were reaching out to members of Trump's team and deliberately leaving a "trail of breadcrumbs" to imply collusion. I doubt that the Democrats colluded with the Russians on that, it would be funny if they did. Hillary had many ties with the Russians.

    http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/whos-truly-beholden-to-the-kremlin/



    Let’s cut through the hysteria and examine the facts.

    Long before Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump exchanged compliments, Bill Clinton received a phone call from Mr. Putin in 2010 thanking him personally for delivering a speech for $500,000, paid by a Russian investment bank that was promoting shares in a company that controlled 20 percent of America’s supply of uranium, a critical component in nuclear weapons.

    The State Department, led by Hillary Clinton, signed off on the deal just two months after her husband’s speech, enabling the Russian state nuclear agency to not only acquire 20 percent of America’s uranium but also own the land in which the deposits are located.

    She was also secretary of state when $145 million in donations reached the Clinton Foundation from the shareholders of the company that sold America’s uranium.

    Yet that wasn’t the only money the Clintons raised from the Russians that resulted in the exchange for sensitive materials.

    Out of 28 American, European and Russian companies that participated in the transfer of classified technology to the Skolkovo technology park outside of Moscow, 17 were Clinton Foundation donors or paid for speeches by Mr. Clinton.

    By 2014, when Russia was invading Ukraine, the FBI issued “an extraordinary warning” to several technology companies involved with Skolkovo. The true motives of the Russians is to gain access to classified, sensitive and emerging technology from the companies, an FBI agent warned.

    John Podesta, the chairman of the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, sat on the executive board, alongside key Russian officials, of an energy company that received the FBI’s warning. That didn’t stop him from accepting $35 million from a Putin-connected government fund.

    E-mails released by Wikileaks showed that Mr. Podesta continued to be involved in the company in 2015, even after the Russian invasion and after claiming to be divested. Furthermore, Mr. Podesta is reported to have received $5.25 million for his think tank, Center for American Progress, through a secretive chain of entities that could lead to Russian oligarchs, among them Ruben Vardanyan, who sat on the energy company board, according to the Government Accountability Institute.

    Hillary Clinton supporters erupted in outrage when Mr. Trump hired Paul Manafort to help run his campaign. (Is it not a positive signal that Mr. Trump dumped him after such criticism?) But their silence was deafening when it was revealed in late August that Mr. Manafort hired the Podesta Group to lobby on behalf of Viktor Yanukovych’s allies in the Party of Regions.

    The Podesta Group lobbied until 2014 to downplay the need for a congressional resolution to pressure Mr. Yanukovych to release Yulia Tymoshenko from prison, the Associated Press reported. Moreover, it failed to file the proper paperwork, making the lobbying illegal.

    Clinton supporters also drummed up hysteria about Mr. Trump being too busy to meet with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.

    Yet that pales in comparison to the very same Mr. Podesta – having already taken millions as part of sensitive technology transfers – reacting with disinterest (as revealed by Wikileaks) to Victor Pinchuk’s pleas to get Mr. Clinton and a group of Western leaders to voice support for Ukraine as the Russian military aggression peaked in the winter of 2015.

    Now the FBI has confirmed this week that its investigations of Mr. Trump, launched in the summer, have uncovered no ties to the Kremlin. Nothing. Nichoho. Zero.

    Voters should consider that the Clintons and Mr. Podesta have far more questionable ties to the Kremlin, possibly criminal, than Mr. Trump and his entourage.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    While he was in office, Trump was popular in Eastern Europe because his policies were much better than Obama’s had been. Obama was a disaster.

    I suspect that Trump’s popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO. If he will get reelected, he will no longer have to worry about public opinion in the US.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    I suspect that Trump’s popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO. If he will get reelected, he will no longer have to worry about public opinion in the US.
     
    I suspect that Trump's popularity will surge in Eastern Europe if he replaces NATO in a manner that dumps the dead weight free riders, notably Türkiye and Germany.

     
    https://img.semafor.com/1252f0d9de7553a798babb0797ff6669272afdc1-1106x1330.png
     

    Imagine the economic benefits if American expenditures shift from Germany to Eastern European nations. A Judeo-Christian Atlantic Treaty Organization [JCATO] would lock in forces needed to resist the Islamification. It will not be officially stayed that way, but replacing Türkiye with Israel has obvious implications.

    PEACE 😇

    , @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I suspect that Trump’s popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO.
     
    He won't, that would be like shooting oneself in the foot. He will simply go on and on about his racketeering proposals. Which will drive Europeans insane.

    hen again, he's not fully grasping the gravity of the current situation. Or may not care.

    He won't be getting the kind of popularity that he did in 2016 because the global political environment has changed dramatically. The old talking points no longer work as well. Neither would Biden, of course. And some EE right wingers will still defend Trump for political and ideological reasons.

    The interesting thing is whether a repeat of 2016 will happen - remember that back then he declared war on the "deep state" yet eventually he installed neocons in office and he did give some backing to Ukraine. The question is whether this scenario will repeat itself - there can be doubts about it, though, one reason being that the Republican party has changed quite significantly since 2016 (as well as the whole political climate in the US post-Covid).

    However, if the new administration does not move forward with some concrete action to ascertain the strength of the US on the international arena, they will risk a loss of influence (along with a potential negative spiraling effect of violence), and the establishment knows this - the question is whether they'll be able to move fast enough, the inauguration is a whole year away, that's a very long time in 2024. They need to act before that to mitigate the situation.

    , @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    I suspect that Trump’s popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO.
     
    I suspect his threats are a negotiating ploy to get the Europeans to pay more for defense.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  450. @AP
    @Beckow


    Are you sure it is not because you just don’t like his politics?
     
    Well, I did vote for him.

    I am somewhat agnostic about Trump's politics regarding Ukraine. Some of the people latching onto him and riding his coattails are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, but he does his own thing (he was proud of having shepherded the incredibly quick Covid vaccine; his followers tend to be anti-vaxxers). I am not fully pleased with the over-cautious Biden administration. Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better. He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been. Trump's idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump's idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins - otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    It will be clearer as the election approaches. The VP choice will be a signal.

    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”
     
    It may be customary for businessmen-real estate developers in corrupt cities to lie in order to fraudulently obtain loans, and that usually nobody bothers to check. In that case, people from this class probably shouldn't run for office if they don't want to be investigated and have their crimes exposed.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can’t harass its main opponent with endless bs ‘legal’ violations right before the elections
     
    If the main opponent happens to have an extensive history of breaking the law, what should Biden do? Give a free pass? This will provide an incentive for law-breakers to run for office.

    Do you think that if Trump wins, the Biden family should be immune from investigation?

    You can equally dig through Biden’s 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets
     
    I'm sure they are doing just that. Trump has been doing more than mere clerical errors, apparently.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation – US is becoming a joke, people around the world
     
    Corrupt criminal rich guy with sketchy business practices running for office on a populist platform - America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been.

    That might have been in part to protect himself from allegations that he’s a Russian stooge. He did need to worry about getting reelected in his first term, after all.

    He also praised Putin when Putin sent Russian troops to the Donbass on the eve of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. How would you feel if FDR would have praised Hitler on September 1, 1939?

    Trump’s idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump’s idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins – otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    Technically speaking, Ukraine can become prosperous without recovering all of its lost territories. That’s what West Germany and South Korea did, after all. AFAIK, they claimed East Germany’s and North Korea’s territories but did not have them at the time that they built up their own prosperity, with US help.

    Stephen Kotkin actually advocates in favor of something similar. As in, if Ukraine can keep 90% of its territory but become a prosperous, functional, relatively non-corrupt European country, then this would be a huge success story for Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Ukraine can become prosperous without recovering all of its lost territories
     
    The dream is shrinking. The problem is that Ukraine can be defined in many different ways - other countries can too, but they are not in play now. The "big Ukraine" that was put together by the commies is gone.

    The smallest possible Ukieland would be Galicia-with-suburbs, maybe 5-7 million landlocked Ukie-homogeneous country. In between those extremes are many possibilities: west-of-the-Dnieper, with Kiev or without, what about Kharkov and Odessa...

    Given that Russia has made it clear they don't want the ethnically pure Ukie regions and are not well disposed for Hungary-Poland-Romania grabbing lands, Ukies should replace the gang in Kiev and negotiate a neutral, but still sizable Ukraine. Offering deep buffer zones may help. Or they can wait for the war to establish new borders - Russia is patient and the Westies are not coming in to actually fight, it will happen eventually.

    Prosperity is gone for at least a generation. Given Ukies inability to postpone gratification, most people with two legs and arms or other valuable organ will leave. But it has been fun, hasn't it? Zelko will get bored on the Florida beaches, he will miss the excitement...but AP says it is 50-50 that Kiev will take back Crimea, and what do I know...

    Replies: @AP

  451. @AP
    @Beckow


    Are you sure it is not because you just don’t like his politics?
     
    Well, I did vote for him.

    I am somewhat agnostic about Trump's politics regarding Ukraine. Some of the people latching onto him and riding his coattails are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, but he does his own thing (he was proud of having shepherded the incredibly quick Covid vaccine; his followers tend to be anti-vaxxers). I am not fully pleased with the over-cautious Biden administration. Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better. He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been. Trump's idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump's idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins - otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    It will be clearer as the election approaches. The VP choice will be a signal.

    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”
     
    It may be customary for businessmen-real estate developers in corrupt cities to lie in order to fraudulently obtain loans, and that usually nobody bothers to check. In that case, people from this class probably shouldn't run for office if they don't want to be investigated and have their crimes exposed.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can’t harass its main opponent with endless bs ‘legal’ violations right before the elections
     
    If the main opponent happens to have an extensive history of breaking the law, what should Biden do? Give a free pass? This will provide an incentive for law-breakers to run for office.

    Do you think that if Trump wins, the Biden family should be immune from investigation?

    You can equally dig through Biden’s 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets
     
    I'm sure they are doing just that. Trump has been doing more than mere clerical errors, apparently.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation – US is becoming a joke, people around the world
     
    Corrupt criminal rich guy with sketchy business practices running for office on a populist platform - America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    BTW, what do you make of Trump’s “Russia, if you’re listening, hack the DNC’s e-mails” comment back in 2016?

    As a side note, it appears that Hillary Clinton was also in favor of the US delivering lethal aid to Ukraine back in 2019:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/hillary-clinton-ukraine-transcript-reaction/index.html

    So, I’m unsure that she would have actually been softer than Trump was in this regard. You have to remember that Hillary was perceived as being more hawkish than Obama was, after all. But she wouldn’t have withdrawn from Afghanistan like Trump/Biden did and thus the US would have continued wasting resources there that could have been spent on Ukraine instead.

  452. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    While he was in office, Trump was popular in Eastern Europe because his policies were much better than Obama’s had been. Obama was a disaster.
     
    I suspect that Trump's popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO. If he will get reelected, he will no longer have to worry about public opinion in the US.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW, @AP

    I suspect that Trump’s popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO. If he will get reelected, he will no longer have to worry about public opinion in the US.

    I suspect that Trump’s popularity will surge in Eastern Europe if he replaces NATO in a manner that dumps the dead weight free riders, notably Türkiye and Germany.

      

    Imagine the economic benefits if American expenditures shift from Germany to Eastern European nations. A Judeo-Christian Atlantic Treaty Organization [JCATO] would lock in forces needed to resist the Islamification. It will not be officially stayed that way, but replacing Türkiye with Israel has obvious implications.

    PEACE 😇

  453. @John Johnson
    @Dmitry

    This is official data of the Russian Orthodox Church. Each Russian Orthodox church counts each person who enters the door of the church, maybe they have electronic counters. They publicize the data to celebrate in a scientific way.

    But you acknowledge that Ukraine has a higher percentage of Christians than Russia?

    I think she is an isolationist with external policy. She is a interested about Ukraine, views this like a Nazi society which persecutes Christianity.

    She is a Qanon dingbat and in a few weeks she could be talking about toasters that have listening devices.

    You are probably unaware of how she bombs unscripted interviews.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx_qtG_mfrU

    She didn't know there were multiple moon landings.

    The conservative Sheila Jackson "Two Vietnams" Lee.

    Tucker Carlson visited a Russian grocery store and was amazed at the variety and prices.

    Wow anecdotal observations from a Putin defender and former CNN host who was caught lying about his multi-year support for Trump. Now that's a report you can trust!

    Are Russians still standing in line for eggs or has that been fixed?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    toasters that have listening devices.

    I didn’t intend to give her a certificate of approval. But, she is one of the most popular speakers in the American right, having over a million people for her talking about the Carlson interview of Putin within days.

    Her videos about Ukraine can have millions of viewers.

  454. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been.
     
    That might have been in part to protect himself from allegations that he's a Russian stooge. He did need to worry about getting reelected in his first term, after all.

    He also praised Putin when Putin sent Russian troops to the Donbass on the eve of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. How would you feel if FDR would have praised Hitler on September 1, 1939?

    Trump’s idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump’s idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins – otherwise it will not get its loan back.
     
    Technically speaking, Ukraine can become prosperous without recovering all of its lost territories. That's what West Germany and South Korea did, after all. AFAIK, they claimed East Germany's and North Korea's territories but did not have them at the time that they built up their own prosperity, with US help.

    Stephen Kotkin actually advocates in favor of something similar. As in, if Ukraine can keep 90% of its territory but become a prosperous, functional, relatively non-corrupt European country, then this would be a huge success story for Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Ukraine can become prosperous without recovering all of its lost territories

    The dream is shrinking. The problem is that Ukraine can be defined in many different ways – other countries can too, but they are not in play now. The “big Ukraine” that was put together by the commies is gone.

    The smallest possible Ukieland would be Galicia-with-suburbs, maybe 5-7 million landlocked Ukie-homogeneous country. In between those extremes are many possibilities: west-of-the-Dnieper, with Kiev or without, what about Kharkov and Odessa…

    Given that Russia has made it clear they don’t want the ethnically pure Ukie regions and are not well disposed for Hungary-Poland-Romania grabbing lands, Ukies should replace the gang in Kiev and negotiate a neutral, but still sizable Ukraine. Offering deep buffer zones may help. Or they can wait for the war to establish new borders – Russia is patient and the Westies are not coming in to actually fight, it will happen eventually.

    Prosperity is gone for at least a generation. Given Ukies inability to postpone gratification, most people with two legs and arms or other valuable organ will leave. But it has been fun, hasn’t it? Zelko will get bored on the Florida beaches, he will miss the excitement…but AP says it is 50-50 that Kiev will take back Crimea, and what do I know…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    [Ukraine's] Prosperity is gone for at least a generation
     
    This is like when you claimed that Ukraine's economy wouldn't grow for many years, right before it started doing so.

    The Western parts of the country have not seen a huge negative economic impact, indeed many business have relocated there from the East. End of war would see reconstruction money plus investment. Ukraine was of course relatively poor before the war, but there would be strong improvement after the war.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  455. notably Türkiye

    It’s Turkey in English. Erdogan doesn’t get to tell us how to spell in our own language.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Matra

    I have this theory that Erdogan would be proud of the connection, if he observed turkeys in the wild, living through harsh, snowy winters. That he only despises them, as he has only seen the farmyard animal, which even the Kurds, in their isolation, have.

  456. @Mikel
    @Matra


    The idea that after the last decade the US is in a position to lecture Russia or anyone else is laughable to virtually everyone on earth who is not brainwashed by the American media complex.
     
    What you write here is all sadly true and I think that things keep actually getting worse in the US. Multiple trials against the presidential candidate leading in the polls, all clearly politically motivated and coordinated to take place during the election year, is totally unprecedented. It's Beria's principle of "find me the man and I'll find his crime" playing out before our eyes while the majority of the media act as if was just ordinary justice being delivered. Even here at Unz we see simpletons like JoJo brainwashed by that media and believing that fines of hundreds of millions of dollars for trying to inflate your assets in a loan application that the banks accepted after valuing the assets down by themselves is normal judicial practice.

    However, I think that it is important to keep the compass straight. Things have deteriorated markedly in the last years but we've all known much higher levels of freedom that we should try to return to. I think that democracy still works reasonably well in some European countries, even though the seeds of corruption and mass censorship are also present there, and European societies don't have the vitality that you can still find in the US to some extent (hence Trump's victory in 2016 and the subsequent antidemocratic reaction of TPTB).

    Democracy in the West was probably always controlled to some extent or another but even an open Putin supporter like AnonfromTN, who has lived here for over 30 years, acknowledges that he's seen more freedom and less dysfunction in the past. However, contrary to what some Westerners seem to start thinking, countries like Russia and China have very little to offer if the objective is to return to the best traditions of the West. They lived under tyrants for basically all of their history, while people in Western countries enjoyed high levels of personal freedom combined with prosperity that they never achieved.

    I don't even think that Eastern Europe in general is too much of a role model. For the time being they're certainly in a much better shape when it comes to Western problems like wokeness but they also come from a dictatorial past, are still trying to catch up to the West and I don't think that they realize too well how abnormal the current situation in the West is. If most of the regular commenters we have here from that region are anything to go by, all they care about is that the political forces in the West align with their narrow anti-Russian interests. It's hard to think of worse allies in the combat against media distortion and mass censorship. As long as both work in their interest, they seem to be totally fine with them. See that Estonian politician calling for Tucker's travel ban to the EU as an example. Not too surprising, considering their own recent past.

    Replies: @Matra, @AnonfromTN

    Democracy in the West was probably always controlled to some extent or another but even an open Putin supporter like AnonfromTN, who has lived here for over 30 years, acknowledges that he’s seen more freedom and less dysfunction in the past.

    Let me clarify a few thugs. Indeed, things in the US were way better even 25 years ago. The decline started with the “Patriot Act”, which is blatantly unconstitutional, but was cheered on by the majority of the public. Iraq war was sold to the public using a pack of lies. In the process US spying agencies lost professionals with self-esteem, only worthless yes-men were kept, because they readily signed off on those lies. Concentration camp in Guantanamo was another sign of things going South.

    However, the destruction of the judicial system following 2020 “elections” was unprecedented, brought us to Zimbabwe level of “justice”. Next the financial system was eroded by open theft of Iranian, Venezuelan, Afghan, and then Russian assets. Financial system can only function based on trust, and the trust it at zero level now. The morons do not even understand that they are undermining the US dollar. They also do not understand that both sides can play by the same rules: when Russian assets were frozen, Russia essentially froze Western assets inside the country. If Russian assets get stolen (as Western politicians are saying more and more often), Russia will steal Western assets, and their value is much greater than that of Russian assets the West intends to steal.

    As to Putin, I have no particular feelings towards him. He is way smarter than current Western “leaders”, but that is very easy, considering the kind of crap Western elites currently use as figureheads. My main thing is, if he intends to exterminate current Kiev regime and hang banderies on lampposts, he has my full support. If he signs some kind of “Minsk-3”, I am going to be vehemently against him.

  457. @AP
    @Beckow


    Are you sure it is not because you just don’t like his politics?
     
    Well, I did vote for him.

    I am somewhat agnostic about Trump's politics regarding Ukraine. Some of the people latching onto him and riding his coattails are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, but he does his own thing (he was proud of having shepherded the incredibly quick Covid vaccine; his followers tend to be anti-vaxxers). I am not fully pleased with the over-cautious Biden administration. Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better. He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been. Trump's idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump's idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins - otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    It will be clearer as the election approaches. The VP choice will be a signal.

    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”
     
    It may be customary for businessmen-real estate developers in corrupt cities to lie in order to fraudulently obtain loans, and that usually nobody bothers to check. In that case, people from this class probably shouldn't run for office if they don't want to be investigated and have their crimes exposed.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can’t harass its main opponent with endless bs ‘legal’ violations right before the elections
     
    If the main opponent happens to have an extensive history of breaking the law, what should Biden do? Give a free pass? This will provide an incentive for law-breakers to run for office.

    Do you think that if Trump wins, the Biden family should be immune from investigation?

    You can equally dig through Biden’s 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets
     
    I'm sure they are doing just that. Trump has been doing more than mere clerical errors, apparently.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation – US is becoming a joke, people around the world
     
    Corrupt criminal rich guy with sketchy business practices running for office on a populist platform - America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    I’m curious to know what you think about Nikki Halley? I just got through watching this recent interview with her, and found that a lot of her opinions mimic my own:

    70% of Americans are looking for somebody other than either Trump or Biden…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I'll be voting for her in the primary and in the general election if she becomes the candidate (highly doubtful).

    I don't know yet whom I'll vote for in the general election if, as expected, it is Trump vs. Biden. We'll see who is on Trump's team and what he will have to say in more detail about Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

  458. @Dmitry
    @songbird

    9,5 thousand rubles used to be perceived as high costs. For the context in Russia, there are signs in the street for something like construction workers like "workers wanted, we pay you 1000 rubles a day". When the Nintendo Switch was released, I asked a question to the Russian gaming forum about who was going to buy the Switch and people in that time have been replying mostly in statements similar to "5000 rubles to buy a game, this is for the moneybags".

    For the film, Carlson visits the French supermarket chain "Auchan", which inside a shopping mall, in Moscow.

    At 1:24 he believes this is 'fresh Russian bread'. It seems, he doesn't know, it is not fresh bread, it is reheated bread, using cheap chemicals in the factory.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7p2um4uLI

    I guess, Carlson is real upper class, so he doesn't buy food, normally. Maybe, he has personal assistants who go to the organic bakery to refill the cupboards inside the house with high quality food. He doesn't know supermarket bread are fake things only visually similar to the handmade bread from the bakery in Martha's Vineyard.

    His reporting is very reliable someways, like he shows the cost of products on the cash register. At 2:35, he gives a very good observation about the Westernized products.

    In these ways, Russia has been Americanizing fast especially in the last 10 years. When you are comparing visiting Israel to Russia this year, many superficial things seem a lot more Americanized in Russia than in Israel. Shopping is one of the examples, it's a lot more Americanized in Russian big cities than in Israel. It's also more Americanized now than some European countries like Netherlands or Italy.

    Visiting the French supermarket chain in Moscow, he almost cannot say anything which is "culture shock" except the outside trolley escalator which is also not normal in Russia, because of the rapid speed of the globalization where perhaps the Northern cultures are less resisting.

    -


    Carlson seems like he wants investment in public transport, he was very happy about the metro where people are crowded in a narrow space in a "communist" way. This is usually more common for people from areas like New York? Even being in the upper class, Trump said he used the metro to go to school everyday.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Does Tucker Carlson know that Communists have better sex?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I'm not convinced that Tucker is capable of knowing much. So, I would vote for "No".

    , @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    In a different time, Carlson could be close to Stalinism, especially. Mainly his career, complaining about the American bourgeoisie and contradictions of their imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism. He also likes the Stalin's project like the metro.

    He's happy because there are no homeless and alcoholics. He would sad if he knows it's only because city police move groups of lumpenproletariat to different areas, it's not because of Stalinist attainment against social parasitism.

    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1757901280830505037

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

  459. Battle of the Nations
    Poland Kazakhstan

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    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Kazakhstan? That is debatable for Rybakina!
    She is not Russian Kazakh, but Russian Russian who trains with the Kazakh program.
    Though nationality itself is irrelevant for tennis, outside of the team events like Davis/Fed Cup - which most of the top players, particularly on the men's side, tend to rest from anyway. This is why so ridiculous and such a disgrace that Russian tennis players are banned from having flag next to their name or even from being referred to as Russian.

    Also most players are effectively either Spanish, French, American or Swiss citizens because of all the travel and best training facilities. Don't know where Swiatek lives though.

  460. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...That’s not how it works in Sweden anymore these days.
     
    That's not how it works in Russia either. That's why foreign money funding political activity is a stupid idea, it doesn't work, it is only a subterfuge to meddle and achieve other goals. That's why Sweden, US, France ban it. And also Russia.. Navalny violated that law. If you don't like the law, have you also objected to its Western versions?

    Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external “help”...Swedish men would look very good in that context...literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.
     
    But they don't stand up. One wonders why. You are too much into this "Viking" mythology: Viking is a latter-day name for the Scandie pirates who rowed shallow seas to rob others. Most died doing it and their genetic composition was decisively mixed - bands of pirates are always very multi-cultural, anyone with an axe can join.

    Scandies of today are descendants of the peaceful farmers-shepherds who were much more likely to be victims of those Vikings. The nobility is heavily French-Italian-German. No Vikings there. Maybe that's why the Scandies are taking it like helpless pups, they don't have the 'magical' Viking DNA.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    Navalny violated that law

    I’d have to look at what exactly you’re referring to. I’m not sure his organization (the media outlet that exposed various corruption schemes) was entirely run by Western funding – I think a large chunk of that is funded by Russian liberals. Of course, Russian liberals is a slippery term as well – there is a difference between the likes of Khodorkovsky and other, less controversial homegrown ones.

    Besides, there have been many over the years who have received some Western funding. But they have not become as prominent. Also, Navalny was persecuted for a long time now – in line with the time frame corresponding to Russia’s further slipping into totalitarianism. To drive a person into death merely because he got a bit of Western funding years ago? No. He was killed because of his political clout. And as intimidation – to show what Putin is able to do to everyone who lives in Russia – with impunity.

    And the very fact that a “penal colony in the North” even exists in 2024 – that alone is a fact that should’ve made everyone think, years ago. Yet these things have been ignored.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    And the very fact that a "penal colony in the North" even exists in 2024 - that alone is a fact should've made everyone think years ago
     
    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you dumb f*ckup. As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic - then it's perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies also you retarded bag of shit.

    Vorkuta and of course Norilsk, Murmansk are a lot bigger in populations than most towns and cities in the Baltics.
    We are the only countries out of the 7 in the Arctic circle to have large town/city there - which says everything about greatness of Russian world.
    The very few Scandinavian large settlements are in completely non-arctic climates you dumb prick.

    LMAO - our ships have been navigating through the Arctic for a few centuries...... Baltics reject earthworm idiots couldn't build ANY navy over the centuries off their far more temperate coast. Until Russians and Germans made it for them - Baltic earthworm rejects had NO civilisation. More Russians are in Arctic than entire population of Estonia, or half of whatever non-entity country human garbage like you is from is called.

    The level of useless f*ckhead cretinism to make you moron post....... as the Baltic shitholes & Poland have hosted CIA torture camps from their wars in the Middle East - is shocking. As is the deranged scumbag disorder required to make lies on Russia - as Estonia and Latvia have the worst human rights on the planet.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

  461. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    While he was in office, Trump was popular in Eastern Europe because his policies were much better than Obama’s had been. Obama was a disaster.
     
    I suspect that Trump's popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO. If he will get reelected, he will no longer have to worry about public opinion in the US.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW, @AP

    I suspect that Trump’s popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO.

    He won’t, that would be like shooting oneself in the foot. He will simply go on and on about his racketeering proposals. Which will drive Europeans insane.

    hen again, he’s not fully grasping the gravity of the current situation. Or may not care.

    He won’t be getting the kind of popularity that he did in 2016 because the global political environment has changed dramatically. The old talking points no longer work as well. Neither would Biden, of course. And some EE right wingers will still defend Trump for political and ideological reasons.

    The interesting thing is whether a repeat of 2016 will happen – remember that back then he declared war on the “deep state” yet eventually he installed neocons in office and he did give some backing to Ukraine. The question is whether this scenario will repeat itself – there can be doubts about it, though, one reason being that the Republican party has changed quite significantly since 2016 (as well as the whole political climate in the US post-Covid).

    However, if the new administration does not move forward with some concrete action to ascertain the strength of the US on the international arena, they will risk a loss of influence (along with a potential negative spiraling effect of violence), and the establishment knows this – the question is whether they’ll be able to move fast enough, the inauguration is a whole year away, that’s a very long time in 2024. They need to act before that to mitigate the situation.

  462. AP, you previously said that the Northeastern US was going to look like Argentina had the US not mostly halted immigration in the 1920s, but I think that having it look like Italy would have been more likely. Italy has a huge southern Italian underclass that brings problems such as the mafia, nepotism, et cetera but also has another population of roughly equal size and of much higher quality in northern Italy, one that has a much larger smart fraction and is notable for its lack of corruption, its greater achievements, et cetera. Northern Italy might arguably be more similar to the Germanic countries further to the north than to southern Italy, at least if one does not compare these territories through an ethnic lens. Similarly, a US that would have maintained its pre-WWI immigration levels might have eventually ended up having a huge Italian (and perhaps Spanish/Portuguese) underclass while also possibly having an equally huge Germanic + Ashkenazi Jewish upper class/overclass, thus possibly looking somewhat similar to California–or perhaps even the entire United States–today, except with the Italians replacing the Latin Americans and with the Asian population being astronomically less.

  463. @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, if you look at the US or the UK even around 1980, what's happened since is a tragedy.

    I worked in British industry in the 1970s and while some of the Brit machine tools were WW2 veterans, caged for safety, the new American ones were fantastic, quick and with safety features that stopped them dead in case of a jam or other issue. Later on in my career I noticed less and less of our lab gear was American and more and more was German, now even if it says "General Electric" on the kit, it's made in China.

    Used to see lots of American tourists with their families in Stratford, come to see Shakespeare's house and maybe go to a play.

    I guess the signs were there even in the late 1980s - as the Amtrak "Empire Builder" rolled through Milwaukee it looked just like the incipient UK rust belt. Sad!

    But JJ thinks the people who sent the jobs first to Mexico, then Japan, then China and the Far East, are the people we should support.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    if it says “General Electric” on the kit, it’s made in China.

    Post-industrialism, is kind of inevitable because of the changes of technology and productive forces in the world economy. Some of the countries, like Germany and Japan have managed the post-industrial transition more, than some of the countries like USA* and UK. At the extreme side, in the postsoviet countries there was probably the most scary transition, where whole cities’ industry collapsed.

    Even in China, if the salary increases they will lose their share of many industries, giving them to areas with lower cost of production. Their question will be if they can follow Germany and Japan in managing to continue preserving a high share of industrial production.

    * The USA created some of the more apocalyptic rustbelts. Maybe, a mix of the lack of public sphere and investment and idiosyncratic aspect of the governance.

    Nick Johnston creates many reports about rustbelt and rotbelt. He has a lot of different hypotheses, it’s never known what are all the exact causes of the local dysfunctions. Perhaps, every area he visits has unique and special dysfunctions, like unhappy families.

  464. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...That’s not how it works in Sweden anymore these days.
     
    That's not how it works in Russia either. That's why foreign money funding political activity is a stupid idea, it doesn't work, it is only a subterfuge to meddle and achieve other goals. That's why Sweden, US, France ban it. And also Russia.. Navalny violated that law. If you don't like the law, have you also objected to its Western versions?

    Nordic men should be able to stand up for themselves without external “help”...Swedish men would look very good in that context...literally one milligram of the Viking wrath, they will already become scary for those who do not wish Sweden well.
     
    But they don't stand up. One wonders why. You are too much into this "Viking" mythology: Viking is a latter-day name for the Scandie pirates who rowed shallow seas to rob others. Most died doing it and their genetic composition was decisively mixed - bands of pirates are always very multi-cultural, anyone with an axe can join.

    Scandies of today are descendants of the peaceful farmers-shepherds who were much more likely to be victims of those Vikings. The nobility is heavily French-Italian-German. No Vikings there. Maybe that's why the Scandies are taking it like helpless pups, they don't have the 'magical' Viking DNA.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    You are too much into this “Viking” mythology: Viking is a latter-day name for the Scandie pirates who rowed shallow seas to rob others. Most died doing it and their genetic composition was decisively mixed – bands of pirates are always very multi-cultural, anyone with an axe can join.

    You may have missed a conversation I had a while back regarding this topic – I actually posted a video about Curonian pirates. So, yes, it was a mixed crowd in our region. It might also be the case that some of the more violent or assertive genetics have disappeared (plus they had wars after that, with significant loss of life). But I doubt they have disappeared entirely. For example, there is a lot of athleticism that hypothetically could be transferred into other avenues. Only a change in mentality is needed (that may not happen – or it may happen quickly). As I said, not much is needed in this case to become formidable. In combination with cool heads and rationality, which the Nords also possess, this could look pretty respectable.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    I respect them, they are solid people and generally good athletes. But they are not very good fighters and have low street smarts - e.g. Italians are also bad fighters, but have very high street smarts. That has led the Scandies to be overrun by more glib, opportunistic groups. They don't fight back, they have inner fears preventing them from confronting bad behavior, esp. with outsiders. I don't have much faith that will change.

    To explain my reaction to the Viking myths: we have done extensive research on 'survivability' in CE. Basically comparing old-bones DNA to who lives here now. It turns out that the most survivable DNA (having most present descendants) are ordinary peasants and shepherds from more remote areas, far away from the cities. The most unsurvivable DNA were warriors and city people. Not a big surprise.

    It is likely that Vikings vs. local peasants would show the same. It is also true about Huns, Avars, Old Magyars, etc...it doesn't pay to live a dangerous life. But it can be fun.

    Replies: @LatW

  465. @LatW
    @Beckow


    You are too much into this “Viking” mythology: Viking is a latter-day name for the Scandie pirates who rowed shallow seas to rob others. Most died doing it and their genetic composition was decisively mixed – bands of pirates are always very multi-cultural, anyone with an axe can join.
     
    You may have missed a conversation I had a while back regarding this topic - I actually posted a video about Curonian pirates. So, yes, it was a mixed crowd in our region. It might also be the case that some of the more violent or assertive genetics have disappeared (plus they had wars after that, with significant loss of life). But I doubt they have disappeared entirely. For example, there is a lot of athleticism that hypothetically could be transferred into other avenues. Only a change in mentality is needed (that may not happen - or it may happen quickly). As I said, not much is needed in this case to become formidable. In combination with cool heads and rationality, which the Nords also possess, this could look pretty respectable.

    Replies: @Beckow

    I respect them, they are solid people and generally good athletes. But they are not very good fighters and have low street smarts – e.g. Italians are also bad fighters, but have very high street smarts. That has led the Scandies to be overrun by more glib, opportunistic groups. They don’t fight back, they have inner fears preventing them from confronting bad behavior, esp. with outsiders. I don’t have much faith that will change.

    To explain my reaction to the Viking myths: we have done extensive research on ‘survivability’ in CE. Basically comparing old-bones DNA to who lives here now. It turns out that the most survivable DNA (having most present descendants) are ordinary peasants and shepherds from more remote areas, far away from the cities. The most unsurvivable DNA were warriors and city people. Not a big surprise.

    It is likely that Vikings vs. local peasants would show the same. It is also true about Huns, Avars, Old Magyars, etc…it doesn’t pay to live a dangerous life. But it can be fun.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    But they are not very good fighters and have low street smarts
     
    I think they could be relatively decent fighters (Finns and Norwegians in particular, although Finns are a separate ethnic group - but they will be staying in our group in the future), so I wouldn't dismiss that part. As to low "street smarts" - yes, because they have not traditionally needed that in their egalitarian society (except for the feuding period, but then things used to be solved more violently) and it is not part of their racial character. There is nothing wrong with that. And they know how to crunch numbers well, if needed, and are able to calculate long term and plan ahead.

    e.g. Italians are also bad fighters, but have very high street smarts.
     
    Italians can bring the wine and good mood. :) If select Jews come to our side (let's say, a few special ones who are half assimilated into our culture and assuming their ethnic loyalty is largely wiped out), they can fill the role of street smarts and PR / smooth talking.

    They don’t fight back, they have inner fears preventing them from confronting bad behavior, esp. with outsiders. I don’t have much faith that will change.
     
    It may not, but keep in mind that things are still relatively peaceful (the demographics have changed, but the living standards have not dropped significantly). If that were to change, people's attitudes would change. But the authorities will do everything in order for it to stay the way it is. Also, the upper classes are not feeling anything yet, and, by the way, in smaller societies such as in Scandinavia, the upper classes would feel it sooner than in large countries such as the US or even France.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  466. @Matra

    notably Türkiye
     
    It's Turkey in English. Erdogan doesn't get to tell us how to spell in our own language.

    Replies: @songbird

    I have this theory that Erdogan would be proud of the connection, if he observed turkeys in the wild, living through harsh, snowy winters. That he only despises them, as he has only seen the farmyard animal, which even the Kurds, in their isolation, have.

  467. @AP
    @Beckow


    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.
     
    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?

    I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace, and that if Trump hadn't gotten involved in politics nobody would have cared or investigated. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by some mob-adjacent activities in his past, either. But then such people probably shouldn't run for office, given the fact that they probably have a history of regularly breaking the law. There's a Ukrainian expression - тихше їдеш, дальше будеш (the quieter you go, the further you'll get). Corrupt builders with lots of skeletons in their closets probably shouldn't get into politics where their every move will be scrutinized. Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open - although cheating hasn't harmed Trump.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open – although cheating hasn’t harmed Trump.

    Actually, I think that we as a society should be more open towards polyamory since some people do appear to be wired that way:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/opinion/sunday/infidelity-lurks-in-your-genes.html

    And it’s evolutionarily advantageous, especially for men, since it can increase the number of children that they will have.

    But there’s a huge difference between ethical/consensual polyamory and unethical/non-consensual polyamory. Trump previously engaged in the latter kind.

  468. @Dmitry
    @songbird

    9,5 thousand rubles used to be perceived as high costs. For the context in Russia, there are signs in the street for something like construction workers like "workers wanted, we pay you 1000 rubles a day". When the Nintendo Switch was released, I asked a question to the Russian gaming forum about who was going to buy the Switch and people in that time have been replying mostly in statements similar to "5000 rubles to buy a game, this is for the moneybags".

    For the film, Carlson visits the French supermarket chain "Auchan", which inside a shopping mall, in Moscow.

    At 1:24 he believes this is 'fresh Russian bread'. It seems, he doesn't know, it is not fresh bread, it is reheated bread, using cheap chemicals in the factory.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7p2um4uLI

    I guess, Carlson is real upper class, so he doesn't buy food, normally. Maybe, he has personal assistants who go to the organic bakery to refill the cupboards inside the house with high quality food. He doesn't know supermarket bread are fake things only visually similar to the handmade bread from the bakery in Martha's Vineyard.

    His reporting is very reliable someways, like he shows the cost of products on the cash register. At 2:35, he gives a very good observation about the Westernized products.

    In these ways, Russia has been Americanizing fast especially in the last 10 years. When you are comparing visiting Israel to Russia this year, many superficial things seem a lot more Americanized in Russia than in Israel. Shopping is one of the examples, it's a lot more Americanized in Russian big cities than in Israel. It's also more Americanized now than some European countries like Netherlands or Italy.

    Visiting the French supermarket chain in Moscow, he almost cannot say anything which is "culture shock" except the outside trolley escalator which is also not normal in Russia, because of the rapid speed of the globalization where perhaps the Northern cultures are less resisting.

    -


    Carlson seems like he wants investment in public transport, he was very happy about the metro where people are crowded in a narrow space in a "communist" way. This is usually more common for people from areas like New York? Even being in the upper class, Trump said he used the metro to go to school everyday.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    There was this ruinously expensive extension they made of the city line of Boston, where there already was track for the commuter rail.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_Extension

    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was “mass transit.” They looked like weirdos to me.

    I don’t know if I am just overgeneralizing, but it seems to me that the average American has a wider concept of personal space even than many rural Europeans. And I think that the average American has disdain for it, calling them “cattle cars.”. Sometimes, during rush hour, it is too many people for me, but I think a Japanese or German would just elbow their way in.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was “mass transit.” They looked like weirdos to me.
     
    It seems there are more "crazy people" present on the US mass transit than in Europe. In the US, the "normal" population, all drive. In Europe and elsewhere in the world, many regular middle class people use public transit. It also depends on the city - in places such as DC the mass transit looks better.

    I used to think that that's just because the "crazy people" (to use your phrase) may be poor and don't have a car (or lost their license in a DUI and such), but maybe they just enjoy hanging out at the bus stop and on the city transit? Maybe they have nowhere else to go? Tbh, I feel some sympathy for them, most of them are harmless, they are just what they call "different".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @songbird

  469. @Beckow
    @LatW

    I respect them, they are solid people and generally good athletes. But they are not very good fighters and have low street smarts - e.g. Italians are also bad fighters, but have very high street smarts. That has led the Scandies to be overrun by more glib, opportunistic groups. They don't fight back, they have inner fears preventing them from confronting bad behavior, esp. with outsiders. I don't have much faith that will change.

    To explain my reaction to the Viking myths: we have done extensive research on 'survivability' in CE. Basically comparing old-bones DNA to who lives here now. It turns out that the most survivable DNA (having most present descendants) are ordinary peasants and shepherds from more remote areas, far away from the cities. The most unsurvivable DNA were warriors and city people. Not a big surprise.

    It is likely that Vikings vs. local peasants would show the same. It is also true about Huns, Avars, Old Magyars, etc...it doesn't pay to live a dangerous life. But it can be fun.

    Replies: @LatW

    But they are not very good fighters and have low street smarts

    I think they could be relatively decent fighters (Finns and Norwegians in particular, although Finns are a separate ethnic group – but they will be staying in our group in the future), so I wouldn’t dismiss that part. As to low “street smarts” – yes, because they have not traditionally needed that in their egalitarian society (except for the feuding period, but then things used to be solved more violently) and it is not part of their racial character. There is nothing wrong with that. And they know how to crunch numbers well, if needed, and are able to calculate long term and plan ahead.

    e.g. Italians are also bad fighters, but have very high street smarts.

    Italians can bring the wine and good mood. 🙂 If select Jews come to our side (let’s say, a few special ones who are half assimilated into our culture and assuming their ethnic loyalty is largely wiped out), they can fill the role of street smarts and PR / smooth talking.

    They don’t fight back, they have inner fears preventing them from confronting bad behavior, esp. with outsiders. I don’t have much faith that will change.

    It may not, but keep in mind that things are still relatively peaceful (the demographics have changed, but the living standards have not dropped significantly). If that were to change, people’s attitudes would change. But the authorities will do everything in order for it to stay the way it is. Also, the upper classes are not feeling anything yet, and, by the way, in smaller societies such as in Scandinavia, the upper classes would feel it sooner than in large countries such as the US or even France.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Italians can bring the wine and good mood. 🙂 If select Jews come to our side (let’s say, a few special ones who are half assimilated into our culture and assuming their ethnic loyalty is largely wiped out), they can fill the role of street smarts and PR / smooth talking.

     

    Frankly, I'd be willing to consider learning Latvian in exchange for acquiring Latvian and thus EU citizenship. Would you accept me? But I wouldn't be willing to give up either my Israeli or my US citizenship to actually make this happen. I'd simply want to add Latvian and especially EU citizenship on top of my own other already existing citizenships.

    BTW, I know that Latvia has some hott women:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvD_VV_q-iw&t=7s

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...things are still relatively peaceful - the demographics have changed, but the living standards have not dropped significantly
     
    The infrastructure in Sweden has become wobbly...things are more broken than they were 5-10 years ago. Stockholm centre looks like a mix of Eritrea with Krakow, with a touch of Swedish-ness. Yes, it is peaceful, but there is a sense of a very slow decline.

    Being smart doesn't help: most ancient societies that were overrun were smarter than the newcomers. Scandies are impossible to talk to about the real issues in their societies - migrants, crime, censorship...- an inner taboo kicks in and they look like a deer caught in headlights. They hide behind saying stupid stuff about being 'polite', or that it is inevitable and manageable. I don't see fierce Vikings, what Scandieland has are men who behave like old women... (Finns are different, but they have other issues.)

  470. YOU BLOODY BLOODY
    YOU BLOODY BASTID

    They’re not actually talking about killing Hindus.. lol

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    I know you are very busy playing Cowboys and Indians but if you take thirty seconds to read the open thread intro our host requests that you put tweets behind a more tag.

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  471. @songbird
    @Dmitry

    There was this ruinously expensive extension they made of the city line of Boston, where there already was track for the commuter rail.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_Extension

    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was "mass transit." They looked like weirdos to me.

    I don't know if I am just overgeneralizing, but it seems to me that the average American has a wider concept of personal space even than many rural Europeans. And I think that the average American has disdain for it, calling them "cattle cars.". Sometimes, during rush hour, it is too many people for me, but I think a Japanese or German would just elbow their way in.

    Replies: @LatW

    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was “mass transit.” They looked like weirdos to me.

    It seems there are more “crazy people” present on the US mass transit than in Europe. In the US, the “normal” population, all drive. In Europe and elsewhere in the world, many regular middle class people use public transit. It also depends on the city – in places such as DC the mass transit looks better.

    I used to think that that’s just because the “crazy people” (to use your phrase) may be poor and don’t have a car (or lost their license in a DUI and such), but maybe they just enjoy hanging out at the bus stop and on the city transit? Maybe they have nowhere else to go? Tbh, I feel some sympathy for them, most of them are harmless, they are just what they call “different”.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Worth noting that AFAIK the US only has even semi-decent public transportation in its large cities. In US suburbs, it's very difficult to get around solely on public transportation because it's just so inadequate there.

    You can see a population density map of the world and zoom in to compare various US and European metropolitan areas. In Europe, it's much more dense than it is here in the US:

    https://luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/#3/20.00/10.00

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    The American philosopher Yogi Berra taught


    you can observe a lot just by watching.
     
    This includes on public transit. If you take it in the morning all the passengers are just going to work and none of them will assault you or anything.
    , @QCIC
    @LatW

    Many Bostonians love mass transit, especially the "T". There are a lot of university kids, recent grads and perpetual students in that general area who probably were excited about the new lines. The population density is high in that region. Riding the subway is an integral part of white collar life in Boston and NYC.

    , @songbird
    @LatW


    I used to think that that’s just because the “crazy people” (to use your phrase) may be poor
     
    I didn't communicate it well, but I meant to say that they were like Greens. That they almost took an estatic religious pleasure from riding in trains that aren't the commuter rail. That many of them may have been moderately well off or perhaps even by a certain standard rich.

    I know what you are saying about crazy people though. There seem to be more of them in the city. Once this guy was talking to himself, and I felt like maybe there was a 50% chance that it was because he wanted me to talk to him, but I was too scared that he might be schizo to say anything, and besides I am no good at talking to strangers.

    In other train news, Sadiq is renaming the underground lines to Windrush (should this be recolored black?) and Suffragette. He is almost like a Dickens character, if Dickens had imagined that type.

    https://youtu.be/PZqF6iw8WjI?si=C4keSkXg43pCC0MS

    I actually don't object to the stations being denoted in foreign languages and scripts like Urdu, as I think it would be a fantastic joke to somehow let them get on it and then ship them to back. Keep sending the empty train back, and seeing how many get on it.

    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.

    Replies: @LatW, @Coconuts

  472. Off-topic, but does this alt-history map of Europe for 2018 without both World Wars look reasonable?

    Europe without world wars, 2018 (Contest)
    byu/erinthecute inimaginarymaps

    No, I personally didn’t make it, if you’re curious.

  473. @LatW
    @songbird


    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was “mass transit.” They looked like weirdos to me.
     
    It seems there are more "crazy people" present on the US mass transit than in Europe. In the US, the "normal" population, all drive. In Europe and elsewhere in the world, many regular middle class people use public transit. It also depends on the city - in places such as DC the mass transit looks better.

    I used to think that that's just because the "crazy people" (to use your phrase) may be poor and don't have a car (or lost their license in a DUI and such), but maybe they just enjoy hanging out at the bus stop and on the city transit? Maybe they have nowhere else to go? Tbh, I feel some sympathy for them, most of them are harmless, they are just what they call "different".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @songbird

    Worth noting that AFAIK the US only has even semi-decent public transportation in its large cities. In US suburbs, it’s very difficult to get around solely on public transportation because it’s just so inadequate there.

    You can see a population density map of the world and zoom in to compare various US and European metropolitan areas. In Europe, it’s much more dense than it is here in the US:

    https://luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/#3/20.00/10.00

  474. @LatW
    @Beckow


    But they are not very good fighters and have low street smarts
     
    I think they could be relatively decent fighters (Finns and Norwegians in particular, although Finns are a separate ethnic group - but they will be staying in our group in the future), so I wouldn't dismiss that part. As to low "street smarts" - yes, because they have not traditionally needed that in their egalitarian society (except for the feuding period, but then things used to be solved more violently) and it is not part of their racial character. There is nothing wrong with that. And they know how to crunch numbers well, if needed, and are able to calculate long term and plan ahead.

    e.g. Italians are also bad fighters, but have very high street smarts.
     
    Italians can bring the wine and good mood. :) If select Jews come to our side (let's say, a few special ones who are half assimilated into our culture and assuming their ethnic loyalty is largely wiped out), they can fill the role of street smarts and PR / smooth talking.

    They don’t fight back, they have inner fears preventing them from confronting bad behavior, esp. with outsiders. I don’t have much faith that will change.
     
    It may not, but keep in mind that things are still relatively peaceful (the demographics have changed, but the living standards have not dropped significantly). If that were to change, people's attitudes would change. But the authorities will do everything in order for it to stay the way it is. Also, the upper classes are not feeling anything yet, and, by the way, in smaller societies such as in Scandinavia, the upper classes would feel it sooner than in large countries such as the US or even France.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Italians can bring the wine and good mood. 🙂 If select Jews come to our side (let’s say, a few special ones who are half assimilated into our culture and assuming their ethnic loyalty is largely wiped out), they can fill the role of street smarts and PR / smooth talking.

    Frankly, I’d be willing to consider learning Latvian in exchange for acquiring Latvian and thus EU citizenship. Would you accept me? But I wouldn’t be willing to give up either my Israeli or my US citizenship to actually make this happen. I’d simply want to add Latvian and especially EU citizenship on top of my own other already existing citizenships.

    BTW, I know that Latvia has some hott women:

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Would you accept me?
     
    Of course, sweetie, we would accept you, but you would have to cut down on all that tranny tolerance talk (and avoid bringing up "child sex dolls"). Also, cut down on all that free-for-all migration talk. Then, yes.

    Btw, I'm planning to send a WWI related book to a large library, I was thinking maybe to California, which library is the biggest one there, where the book might be the most useful and have the most exposure? Do you have any suggestions? Maybe UCLA library?


    BTW, I know that Latvia has some hott women:
     
    Yes. 😊

    Btw, thanks for that nerdy asmr video, I found similar ones out there (there is a version for women as well with a male voice). They're super relaxing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

  475. @Sher Singh
    YOU BLOODY BLOODY
    YOU BLOODY BASTID

    https://twitter.com/MrSinha_/status/1758753622882652420

    They're not actually talking about killing Hindus.. lol

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I know you are very busy playing Cowboys and Indians but if you take thirty seconds to read the open thread intro our host requests that you put tweets behind a more tag.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Found what's likely my new almost everything knife


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5FI-d8H47LQ
    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  476. @LatW
    @songbird


    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was “mass transit.” They looked like weirdos to me.
     
    It seems there are more "crazy people" present on the US mass transit than in Europe. In the US, the "normal" population, all drive. In Europe and elsewhere in the world, many regular middle class people use public transit. It also depends on the city - in places such as DC the mass transit looks better.

    I used to think that that's just because the "crazy people" (to use your phrase) may be poor and don't have a car (or lost their license in a DUI and such), but maybe they just enjoy hanging out at the bus stop and on the city transit? Maybe they have nowhere else to go? Tbh, I feel some sympathy for them, most of them are harmless, they are just what they call "different".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @songbird

    The American philosopher Yogi Berra taught

    you can observe a lot just by watching.

    This includes on public transit. If you take it in the morning all the passengers are just going to work and none of them will assault you or anything.

  477. @LatW
    @songbird


    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was “mass transit.” They looked like weirdos to me.
     
    It seems there are more "crazy people" present on the US mass transit than in Europe. In the US, the "normal" population, all drive. In Europe and elsewhere in the world, many regular middle class people use public transit. It also depends on the city - in places such as DC the mass transit looks better.

    I used to think that that's just because the "crazy people" (to use your phrase) may be poor and don't have a car (or lost their license in a DUI and such), but maybe they just enjoy hanging out at the bus stop and on the city transit? Maybe they have nowhere else to go? Tbh, I feel some sympathy for them, most of them are harmless, they are just what they call "different".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @songbird

    Many Bostonians love mass transit, especially the “T”. There are a lot of university kids, recent grads and perpetual students in that general area who probably were excited about the new lines. The population density is high in that region. Riding the subway is an integral part of white collar life in Boston and NYC.

  478. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Italians can bring the wine and good mood. 🙂 If select Jews come to our side (let’s say, a few special ones who are half assimilated into our culture and assuming their ethnic loyalty is largely wiped out), they can fill the role of street smarts and PR / smooth talking.

     

    Frankly, I'd be willing to consider learning Latvian in exchange for acquiring Latvian and thus EU citizenship. Would you accept me? But I wouldn't be willing to give up either my Israeli or my US citizenship to actually make this happen. I'd simply want to add Latvian and especially EU citizenship on top of my own other already existing citizenships.

    BTW, I know that Latvia has some hott women:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvD_VV_q-iw&t=7s

    Replies: @LatW

    Would you accept me?

    Of course, sweetie, we would accept you, but you would have to cut down on all that tranny tolerance talk (and avoid bringing up “child sex dolls”). Also, cut down on all that free-for-all migration talk. Then, yes.

    Btw, I’m planning to send a WWI related book to a large library, I was thinking maybe to California, which library is the biggest one there, where the book might be the most useful and have the most exposure? Do you have any suggestions? Maybe UCLA library?

    [MORE]

    BTW, I know that Latvia has some hott women:

    Yes. 😊

    Btw, thanks for that nerdy asmr video, I found similar ones out there (there is a version for women as well with a male voice). They’re super relaxing.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Of course, sweetie, we would accept you, but you would have to cut down on all that tranny tolerance talk (and avoid bringing up “child sex dolls”). Also, cut down on all that free-for-all migration talk. Then, yes.

     

    I can't give up on the dolls because I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren't harming anyone. The fact that their preferences are disgusting shouldn't mean that their preferences should be criminalized. Else, I'd certainly criminalize rimming as well! (Please don't look it up!)

    Honestly, if Latvia wants to embrace an Israeli-style ethno-state model, as in, only accept people as immigrants who are 1/4 Latvian or more, unless of course they are the citizens of another EU country (in which case this rule won't apply to them), then it should go for it. I'm not going to stand in their way. I do think that Latvians and Europeans in general should be encouraged to breed more, FWIW.


    Btw, I’m planning to send a WWI related book to a large library, I was thinking maybe to California, which library is the biggest one there, where the book might be the most useful and have the most exposure? Do you have any suggestions? Maybe UCLA library?

     

    Is the book in English or in Latvian?

    Sending it to the UCLA Library could be a good idea, I think. But it would be best of all for you to try finding a library that is quick and eager to digitize its various books.

    BTW, interesting fact: I was accepted into UCLA back in 2014 (from community college) but I went to UCI (which I was also accepted to) instead because I wanted to live at home rather than in the dorms.


    Yes. 😊

    Btw, thanks for that nerdy asmr video, I found similar ones out there (there is a version for women as well with a male voice). They’re super relaxing.
     

    No problem! :)

    BTW, off-topic, but are you into alternate history? I often fantasize about what kind of future your country, as well as Russia, Ukraine, et cetera would have had if it wasn't for the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. That coup severely fucked over that region for almost the next century. Even the Russian Tsars were saints in comparison to the Bolsheviks. I think that 1919 Russia was a missed opportunity for a US-led regime change war, frankly, if such a war would have actually been politically feasible. There, such a way would have probably done a whole lot of good, especially in the medium-term and long-term.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @LatW

    , @A123
    @LatW

    U.S. universities have been captured by DEI. There is little chance they would treat the work appropriately. They would probably try to "gay it up".

    I have no personal experience with the National WW I Archive and Museum (1). However, what little I heard of them is pretty good.

    While the Library of Congress publicity arm is DEI, their mechanical archiving is still supposed to be sound. If they do not have a copy they would likely want one.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theworldwar.org/research/center

  479. @Matra
    @Mikel


    If most of the regular commenters we have here from that region are anything to go by, all they care about is that the political forces in the West align with their narrow anti-Russian interests. It’s hard to think of worse allies in the combat against media distortion and mass censorship
     
    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull but they went along with it because they want Uncle Sap to stay in Europe and defend them so they can spend their money on other things. Very cynical. Even with Britain playing a major role in Ukraine they've pretty much all sided with Germany & France against the UK in Brexit-related issues and the non-NATO & non contributor to European defence, the Irish Republic, against the UK in their ongoing border dispute.

    BTW I noticed last week when Donald Tusk decided to insult US Republicans for caring more about their own border than Ukraine's that Polish right wingers were claiming Tusk doesn't speak for Poles because, apparently, he is actually loyal to Germany and is running Poland on behalf of his fellow Germans!

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    Virtually all Eastern Europeans knew the Trump collusion stuff was bull but they went along with it

    Well, to be fair, the most unhinged ones do seem to believe that the US and Western Europe are full of politicians paid by the Kremlin. I’ve even seen that type of talk here in these threads. But that only makes it worse.

    Whatever they believe, I don’t see how EEs are going to help us return to the freedom of thought and speech that we used to enjoy. Not so long ago you could jokingly use ethnic slurs in corporate emails without fear of getting fired, companies and institutions weren’t releasing woke statements all the time explaining what “their values” are (straight out of the Communist manual, why should a private company have any political “values”?) and not all journalists were liars at the service of the same ideas. It’s much more likely that EEs will adopt all these vices and, when it comes to wrongthink on matters like Russia/Ukraine, they will be the main enforcers of censorship. Both things are already happening, I think, though I guess it’s good to have some contrarians like Orban, Fico and the Poles standing up to Brussels from time to time, even if they all eventually cave in.

  480. @LatW
    @songbird


    And it seemed to me that there were many crazy people that went to ride the train on the first day. Not specifically because they had too, but because it was “mass transit.” They looked like weirdos to me.
     
    It seems there are more "crazy people" present on the US mass transit than in Europe. In the US, the "normal" population, all drive. In Europe and elsewhere in the world, many regular middle class people use public transit. It also depends on the city - in places such as DC the mass transit looks better.

    I used to think that that's just because the "crazy people" (to use your phrase) may be poor and don't have a car (or lost their license in a DUI and such), but maybe they just enjoy hanging out at the bus stop and on the city transit? Maybe they have nowhere else to go? Tbh, I feel some sympathy for them, most of them are harmless, they are just what they call "different".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @songbird

    I used to think that that’s just because the “crazy people” (to use your phrase) may be poor

    I didn’t communicate it well, but I meant to say that they were like Greens. That they almost took an estatic religious pleasure from riding in trains that aren’t the commuter rail. That many of them may have been moderately well off or perhaps even by a certain standard rich.

    [MORE]

    I know what you are saying about crazy people though. There seem to be more of them in the city. Once this guy was talking to himself, and I felt like maybe there was a 50% chance that it was because he wanted me to talk to him, but I was too scared that he might be schizo to say anything, and besides I am no good at talking to strangers.

    In other train news, Sadiq is renaming the underground lines to Windrush (should this be recolored black?) and Suffragette. He is almost like a Dickens character, if Dickens had imagined that type.

    I actually don’t object to the stations being denoted in foreign languages and scripts like Urdu, as I think it would be a fantastic joke to somehow let them get on it and then ship them to back. Keep sending the empty train back, and seeing how many get on it.

    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    I didn’t communicate it well, but I meant to say that they were like Greens. That they almost took an estatic religious pleasure from riding in trains that aren’t the commuter rail.
     
    Well, that's a little different than literal "crazy" (talking to oneself loudly - although I try to be tolerant of this because I'm aware that that person may have had it harder in their life and it's an illness they may not be able to control). Although I would not be able to take the bus daily in a large US city, it's a bit too rough and might be too much, in a smaller town, it's not bad at all. And, as I said, the subway in DC is good, too. So I'm assuming it's good in Boston as well, but Boston is special, since it has a much higher living standard than elsewhere.

    Those people you're alluding to are more "alternative" "Earth friendly" types, they will live in dense places and use mass transit or bike, it's more of a European style city life. It's really cool (as long as they keep their politics to themselves, which some of them can't, often due to peer pressure). That's actually preferable in some ways than having to commute and drive for a long time, if the downtown happens to be nice. Or it can be a nice neighborhood within a larger city (you can stay within the neighborhood without commuting and live "sustainably" - you can even have the daycare not too far and your own garden that way).

    In other train news, Sadiq is renaming the underground lines to Windrush (should this be recolored black?)
     

    Well, that's already entering dystopian territory. See, most Eastern Europeans who visit London, would have no idea what Windrush even is. They mostly go there for authentic British icons. I guess one should be "educated" about this, too, it happened, but putting these on the same pedestal as real British culture...? See, they would object that I even use a term "real British culture". These people should be trolled heavily.

    Lioness line? What the hell. :) Wait, is that going to be permanent now??


    Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.
     
    You've gotta be kidding, no way. That's just gross.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Coconuts
    @songbird


    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.
     
    When I saw the story my initial thought that one of the lines names should have been Adolf Hitler, it just seemed to fit.

    On reflection my line up for the names of the six lines would be:

    Windrush
    Adolf Hitler
    Bantoid
    Lionesses
    Weaver
    Paul Morand (or possibly Pygmy)

    Bantoid is a strong idea so I have included it. Paul Morand is a French author who was critical of the negrophile movement in France between the wars. Pygmy is a possible alternative, if people think there would be too many things named after Paul Morand if the line was given that name.

    I don't think my proposed names need a lot of explanation, imo it would be easier for Sadiq Khan to avoid accusations of politicising the line names if he adopted less controversial options like these.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

  481. @songbird
    @LatW


    I used to think that that’s just because the “crazy people” (to use your phrase) may be poor
     
    I didn't communicate it well, but I meant to say that they were like Greens. That they almost took an estatic religious pleasure from riding in trains that aren't the commuter rail. That many of them may have been moderately well off or perhaps even by a certain standard rich.

    I know what you are saying about crazy people though. There seem to be more of them in the city. Once this guy was talking to himself, and I felt like maybe there was a 50% chance that it was because he wanted me to talk to him, but I was too scared that he might be schizo to say anything, and besides I am no good at talking to strangers.

    In other train news, Sadiq is renaming the underground lines to Windrush (should this be recolored black?) and Suffragette. He is almost like a Dickens character, if Dickens had imagined that type.

    https://youtu.be/PZqF6iw8WjI?si=C4keSkXg43pCC0MS

    I actually don't object to the stations being denoted in foreign languages and scripts like Urdu, as I think it would be a fantastic joke to somehow let them get on it and then ship them to back. Keep sending the empty train back, and seeing how many get on it.

    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.

    Replies: @LatW, @Coconuts

    I didn’t communicate it well, but I meant to say that they were like Greens. That they almost took an estatic religious pleasure from riding in trains that aren’t the commuter rail.

    Well, that’s a little different than literal “crazy” (talking to oneself loudly – although I try to be tolerant of this because I’m aware that that person may have had it harder in their life and it’s an illness they may not be able to control). Although I would not be able to take the bus daily in a large US city, it’s a bit too rough and might be too much, in a smaller town, it’s not bad at all. And, as I said, the subway in DC is good, too. So I’m assuming it’s good in Boston as well, but Boston is special, since it has a much higher living standard than elsewhere.

    Those people you’re alluding to are more “alternative” “Earth friendly” types, they will live in dense places and use mass transit or bike, it’s more of a European style city life. It’s really cool (as long as they keep their politics to themselves, which some of them can’t, often due to peer pressure). That’s actually preferable in some ways than having to commute and drive for a long time, if the downtown happens to be nice. Or it can be a nice neighborhood within a larger city (you can stay within the neighborhood without commuting and live “sustainably” – you can even have the daycare not too far and your own garden that way).

    In other train news, Sadiq is renaming the underground lines to Windrush (should this be recolored black?)

    Well, that’s already entering dystopian territory. See, most Eastern Europeans who visit London, would have no idea what Windrush even is. They mostly go there for authentic British icons. I guess one should be “educated” about this, too, it happened, but putting these on the same pedestal as real British culture…? See, they would object that I even use a term “real British culture”. These people should be trolled heavily.

    Lioness line? What the hell. 🙂 Wait, is that going to be permanent now??

    Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.

    You’ve gotta be kidding, no way. That’s just gross.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    Lioness line?
     
    I had to look it up. Apparently, it is the name of the national women's soccer team. I would have preferred Singh line.

    Mildmay was the name of a small hospital were a lot of homos died of AIDS in the '80s or something. Seems like a silly name. I would have preferred "Zoonosis" , "AIDS" or "new plague" line.
    _________
    I wonder what they mean when they say that HWO will be able to image 25 potentially habitable worlds. Is that like one pixel?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitable_Worlds_Observatory

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  482. @YetAnotherAnon
    @John Johnson

    Good news, the war is closer to ending, and the liberation of the Donbass is nearer.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/17/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukraines-forces-withdraw-from-avdiivka?page=with:block-65d086868f08fee2fe08cb93&filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation


    Some Ukrainian soldiers withdrawing from Avdiivka have described a chaotic retreat on social media.

    One troop wrote on Instagram that the hasty withdrawal meant there was no time to evacuate weapons and equipment, nor to burn papers and plant mines in the way of advancing Russian troops. “The road to Avdiivka is littered with our corpses,” he wrote.
     

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Withdrawing from Avdiivka was expected months ago.

    No one expected them to hold it given how far it was from supply lines.

    Ukraine however made the choice to use it to kill Russians when in the defensive position.

    I think it was the right move and in fact last year I said that big arrow type offensives are too risky in this war.

  483. @Beckow
    @AP

    Are you sure it is not because you just don't like his politics? Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be "fraud"...how does one value assets accurately? It is like asking you how pretty is your wife.

    You may as well exclude any business person over 30 from public life. From Scholz (dodgy accounting), Sunak 'investments', Macron, to Romney, Clinton they all had lots of "paper" violations. So did Navalny. Selective justice is no justice.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can't harass its main opponent with endless bs 'legal' violations right before the elections. That's not a democracy - that's what happens in fake one-party states. You can equally dig through Biden's 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets - or worse. Anyone can do it - but free countries refrain from doing it.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation - US is becoming a joke, people around the world are not stupid. First trying to run the wife of the former president against brother and son of another one? Like some Gambia nepotistic hell-hole. Now the very transparent legal harassment.

    Get a hold of yourselves - the Ukie hovels or even the gender-fluidity are not worth it. You will regret it for decades. At a minimum, how is US ever going to have credibility critisizing anyone else? We are not that stupid.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”…how does one value assets accurately? It is like asking you how pretty is your wife.

    I have actually spent some time this past couple of days reading MSM articles on this trial, to see if I was missing something and things were not as bad as they look. My conclusion is that they really are as bad as they look. There’s nothing there. Just a crime with no victims where all they did was embellish their collateral the way you and I would do when trying to get a loan. I’ve been in business and I’ve seen people do this as a matter of course. Banks know the game perfectly well and that’s why they have their armies of appraisers and risk calculators. They verified the valuations, arrived at their own assessment, lent out the money anyway and actually made profits from it. It’s just unreal to see people here defend this charade.

    I’m honestly worried about November. They’ve lost any constraints (not that they had many left after the Russiagate comedy and the FBI transformation into the KGB) and they really want to imprison the candidate that half of Americans want to be their president. Things may get ugly.

    Trump is a tremendously flawed candidate. Definitely not the right person to lead the fight in the culture and ideological wars of the moment. But I think they’re making the same mistake as in 2016, when the 24×7 media propaganda against him made people vote for him out of spite. Only this time it’s much worse: they’re trying to outright bankrupt and imprison him, possibly for life. I see no choice but to vote for him. As an old Basque political slogan goes, ‘vote where it hurts them the most’.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    Trump is in big trouble.

    He still has the documents case and it sounds like a new tax case could be pending over the property over-valuation fraud.

    But if anyone wants to help this poor, poor billionaire there is a GoFundMe available:

    They are currently 916 thousand closer to 1 of 355 million dollars.
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-gofundme-raises-84k-355-million-target-24-hours-1870940

    MAGA fans please donate your hard earned money to this unfairly maligned billionaire who merely added 8 floors to his Vegas properly by making floor 8 jump to 16.

    Merely an oversight like adding 9 floors to his NYC tower.

    Accidents happen. It's perfectly understandable to add 9 floors or increase the square footage by 1/3.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

  484. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Would you accept me?
     
    Of course, sweetie, we would accept you, but you would have to cut down on all that tranny tolerance talk (and avoid bringing up "child sex dolls"). Also, cut down on all that free-for-all migration talk. Then, yes.

    Btw, I'm planning to send a WWI related book to a large library, I was thinking maybe to California, which library is the biggest one there, where the book might be the most useful and have the most exposure? Do you have any suggestions? Maybe UCLA library?


    BTW, I know that Latvia has some hott women:
     
    Yes. 😊

    Btw, thanks for that nerdy asmr video, I found similar ones out there (there is a version for women as well with a male voice). They're super relaxing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    Of course, sweetie, we would accept you, but you would have to cut down on all that tranny tolerance talk (and avoid bringing up “child sex dolls”). Also, cut down on all that free-for-all migration talk. Then, yes.

    I can’t give up on the dolls because I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren’t harming anyone. The fact that their preferences are disgusting shouldn’t mean that their preferences should be criminalized. Else, I’d certainly criminalize rimming as well! (Please don’t look it up!)

    Honestly, if Latvia wants to embrace an Israeli-style ethno-state model, as in, only accept people as immigrants who are 1/4 Latvian or more, unless of course they are the citizens of another EU country (in which case this rule won’t apply to them), then it should go for it. I’m not going to stand in their way. I do think that Latvians and Europeans in general should be encouraged to breed more, FWIW.

    Btw, I’m planning to send a WWI related book to a large library, I was thinking maybe to California, which library is the biggest one there, where the book might be the most useful and have the most exposure? Do you have any suggestions? Maybe UCLA library?

    Is the book in English or in Latvian?

    Sending it to the UCLA Library could be a good idea, I think. But it would be best of all for you to try finding a library that is quick and eager to digitize its various books.

    BTW, interesting fact: I was accepted into UCLA back in 2014 (from community college) but I went to UCI (which I was also accepted to) instead because I wanted to live at home rather than in the dorms.

    Yes. 😊

    Btw, thanks for that nerdy asmr video, I found similar ones out there (there is a version for women as well with a male voice). They’re super relaxing.

    No problem! 🙂

    BTW, off-topic, but are you into alternate history? I often fantasize about what kind of future your country, as well as Russia, Ukraine, et cetera would have had if it wasn’t for the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. That coup severely fucked over that region for almost the next century. Even the Russian Tsars were saints in comparison to the Bolsheviks. I think that 1919 Russia was a missed opportunity for a US-led regime change war, frankly, if such a war would have actually been politically feasible. There, such a way would have probably done a whole lot of good, especially in the medium-term and long-term.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I can’t give up on the dolls because I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren’t harming anyone.

    I support the dolls but would make one minor change which is that the doll delivery guy shows up with a suppressed 9mm.

    Just one minor change.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I can’t give up on the dolls
     
    LOL. Try not to tell yourself "I can't give up on..." because you are programming yourself into a stressful state of mind, try to relax and say "I could give up on it, it's not something I need right now". Just relax your mind and give up that struggle.

    I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren’t harming anyone
     
    It is harming society by merely existing. Why should the sexual whims of a small minority of deviant men (yes, it is predominantly males) be prioritized over the wellbeing of the society, especially the weakest ones in society? Nobody is "entitled to a satisfactory sex life", it is a common good for people to be happy and sexually satisfied, but it's not an entitlement. For most people, a satisfactory sex life can be reached through grown up straight sex. Sex happens in one's head first and foremost anyway, so one doesn't really need any toys. They can be fun, but they are not necessary. Whereas sexualizing children, even just in images, would be straight up harmful.

    There are people that have mental illness or other types of disability, who are able to live with it and cope without harming anyone or expecting anything from society. So I'm sure these pervy people are able to do this as well.

    Don't you want to step away from all this and just focus on straight, feminine women instead? Just keep listening to the asmr, she's quite good. ☺️

    Is the book in English or in Latvian?
     

    It's translated into English, a diary and philosophical musings of a White Latvian officer from the 1920s (and the Civil War period).

    but I went to UCI (which I was also accepted to) instead because I wanted to live at home rather than in the dorms.
     
    I understand, I was very lucky too to have my own apartment, close to the uni, instead of having to live in a dorm. UCI is a good school, but did they not brainwash you there into wokeness?

    but are you into alternate history?
     
    I would be if I had more brain power (or a slightly more vigorous brain). I really have to strain myself to do this alternate history thing - you have to count several steps back from a historic event (plus the context) and then extrapolate it forward, after a few steps it gets hard. But it might be a good exercise to keep one's cognitive capacity in good shape.

    if it wasn’t for the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. That coup severely fucked over that region for almost the next century. Even the Russian Tsars were saints in comparison to the Bolsheviks.
     
    I sometimes wonder what kind of a scenario you're envisioning. Are you thinking of a scenario where the Empire remains completely intact and the Tsar stays in power, together with the whole structure (and with all the chernosotniks in place, btw, did you know that Tsar Nikolai was apparently a member of the Union of the Archangel Michael?). Or where he stays in power but the Empire is reformed? Are you taking into the account the whole European historic context and the period of revolutions from the mid 19th century? Or do you prefer the revolution happening but with SR's coming into power instead? You have to take consider the whole context (the general rise of progressivism within the Empire).

    Btw, I did find your idea of traveling back in time to get rid of Lenin quite entertaining - and not too objectionable, lol. The role of the personality in history is important, of course, and can be critical, however, what if someone else came in his place? How about getting rid of a young Stalin? Most of today's Russians would probably object (suckers), but not you and I, right?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  485. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Battle of the Nations
    Poland Kazakhstan


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdrZl4Bs5uQ

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Kazakhstan? That is debatable for Rybakina!
    She is not Russian Kazakh, but Russian Russian who trains with the Kazakh program.
    Though nationality itself is irrelevant for tennis, outside of the team events like Davis/Fed Cup – which most of the top players, particularly on the men’s side, tend to rest from anyway. This is why so ridiculous and such a disgrace that Russian tennis players are banned from having flag next to their name or even from being referred to as Russian.

    Also most players are effectively either Spanish, French, American or Swiss citizens because of all the travel and best training facilities. Don’t know where Swiatek lives though.

  486. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”…how does one value assets accurately? It is like asking you how pretty is your wife.
     
    I have actually spent some time this past couple of days reading MSM articles on this trial, to see if I was missing something and things were not as bad as they look. My conclusion is that they really are as bad as they look. There's nothing there. Just a crime with no victims where all they did was embellish their collateral the way you and I would do when trying to get a loan. I've been in business and I've seen people do this as a matter of course. Banks know the game perfectly well and that's why they have their armies of appraisers and risk calculators. They verified the valuations, arrived at their own assessment, lent out the money anyway and actually made profits from it. It's just unreal to see people here defend this charade.

    I'm honestly worried about November. They've lost any constraints (not that they had many left after the Russiagate comedy and the FBI transformation into the KGB) and they really want to imprison the candidate that half of Americans want to be their president. Things may get ugly.

    Trump is a tremendously flawed candidate. Definitely not the right person to lead the fight in the culture and ideological wars of the moment. But I think they're making the same mistake as in 2016, when the 24x7 media propaganda against him made people vote for him out of spite. Only this time it's much worse: they're trying to outright bankrupt and imprison him, possibly for life. I see no choice but to vote for him. As an old Basque political slogan goes, 'vote where it hurts them the most'.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Trump is in big trouble.

    He still has the documents case and it sounds like a new tax case could be pending over the property over-valuation fraud.

    But if anyone wants to help this poor, poor billionaire there is a GoFundMe available:

    They are currently 916 thousand closer to 1 of 355 million dollars.
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-gofundme-raises-84k-355-million-target-24-hours-1870940

    MAGA fans please donate your hard earned money to this unfairly maligned billionaire who merely added 8 floors to his Vegas properly by making floor 8 jump to 16.

    Merely an oversight like adding 9 floors to his NYC tower.

    Accidents happen. It’s perfectly understandable to add 9 floors or increase the square footage by 1/3.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You seem determined to show us how stupid you are. Can you let go of the "9 floors!!!!" nonsense? Do you really want to argue that the 'greatest democracy that ever was' concerns itself with the violations to the building code? You sound insane.

    You got nothing: timing, low quality prosecutors, cases based on what to any observer looks like total bulls..t. Then there is the incredible Atlanta lying duo: old whiny black lady with her lover-pimp living in an old-cash economy. Do you really want this circus to continue?

    It is getting votes for Trump and losing your any residual respect around the world. People will throw this in your face for years and you will be embarrassed. You should hope it gets dismissed and ruled on by the Supremes soon - as time passes you just become more of a joke.

    , @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    MAGA fans please donate your hard earned money to this unfairly maligned billionaire who merely added 8 floors to his Vegas properly by making floor 8 jump to 16.
     
    I'm actually getting tired of calling you a mor*n. I'd much rather you stopped spouting nonsense in every single comment and we could peacefully discuss organic Walmart breads or something...

    Let's do the following instead. Below you can read the whole verdict signed by Justice Engoron. All 92 pages of it, including every finding of fact used to convict Trump. If you can find a single mention of the amount of floors in the Las Vegas Trump Tower, I will concede that you are right and I am wrong in characterizing you as person of low intellect. If, on the contrary, you cannot find any such thing, you're going to be a man and admit that you have a strong tendency to make totally wrong statements.

    Do you accept the challenge?

    https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf

    Replies: @John Johnson

  487. @LatW
    @songbird


    I didn’t communicate it well, but I meant to say that they were like Greens. That they almost took an estatic religious pleasure from riding in trains that aren’t the commuter rail.
     
    Well, that's a little different than literal "crazy" (talking to oneself loudly - although I try to be tolerant of this because I'm aware that that person may have had it harder in their life and it's an illness they may not be able to control). Although I would not be able to take the bus daily in a large US city, it's a bit too rough and might be too much, in a smaller town, it's not bad at all. And, as I said, the subway in DC is good, too. So I'm assuming it's good in Boston as well, but Boston is special, since it has a much higher living standard than elsewhere.

    Those people you're alluding to are more "alternative" "Earth friendly" types, they will live in dense places and use mass transit or bike, it's more of a European style city life. It's really cool (as long as they keep their politics to themselves, which some of them can't, often due to peer pressure). That's actually preferable in some ways than having to commute and drive for a long time, if the downtown happens to be nice. Or it can be a nice neighborhood within a larger city (you can stay within the neighborhood without commuting and live "sustainably" - you can even have the daycare not too far and your own garden that way).

    In other train news, Sadiq is renaming the underground lines to Windrush (should this be recolored black?)
     

    Well, that's already entering dystopian territory. See, most Eastern Europeans who visit London, would have no idea what Windrush even is. They mostly go there for authentic British icons. I guess one should be "educated" about this, too, it happened, but putting these on the same pedestal as real British culture...? See, they would object that I even use a term "real British culture". These people should be trolled heavily.

    Lioness line? What the hell. :) Wait, is that going to be permanent now??


    Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.
     
    You've gotta be kidding, no way. That's just gross.

    Replies: @songbird

    Lioness line?

    I had to look it up. Apparently, it is the name of the national women’s soccer team. I would have preferred Singh line.

    Mildmay was the name of a small hospital were a lot of homos died of AIDS in the ’80s or something. Seems like a silly name. I would have preferred “Zoonosis” , “AIDS” or “new plague” line.
    _________
    I wonder what they mean when they say that HWO will be able to image 25 potentially habitable worlds. Is that like one pixel?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitable_Worlds_Observatory

    • LOL: LatW
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Singhni would be female



    https://twitter.com/dhanyavisnu/status/1758770187707265461?s=20

  488. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Of course, sweetie, we would accept you, but you would have to cut down on all that tranny tolerance talk (and avoid bringing up “child sex dolls”). Also, cut down on all that free-for-all migration talk. Then, yes.

     

    I can't give up on the dolls because I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren't harming anyone. The fact that their preferences are disgusting shouldn't mean that their preferences should be criminalized. Else, I'd certainly criminalize rimming as well! (Please don't look it up!)

    Honestly, if Latvia wants to embrace an Israeli-style ethno-state model, as in, only accept people as immigrants who are 1/4 Latvian or more, unless of course they are the citizens of another EU country (in which case this rule won't apply to them), then it should go for it. I'm not going to stand in their way. I do think that Latvians and Europeans in general should be encouraged to breed more, FWIW.


    Btw, I’m planning to send a WWI related book to a large library, I was thinking maybe to California, which library is the biggest one there, where the book might be the most useful and have the most exposure? Do you have any suggestions? Maybe UCLA library?

     

    Is the book in English or in Latvian?

    Sending it to the UCLA Library could be a good idea, I think. But it would be best of all for you to try finding a library that is quick and eager to digitize its various books.

    BTW, interesting fact: I was accepted into UCLA back in 2014 (from community college) but I went to UCI (which I was also accepted to) instead because I wanted to live at home rather than in the dorms.


    Yes. 😊

    Btw, thanks for that nerdy asmr video, I found similar ones out there (there is a version for women as well with a male voice). They’re super relaxing.
     

    No problem! :)

    BTW, off-topic, but are you into alternate history? I often fantasize about what kind of future your country, as well as Russia, Ukraine, et cetera would have had if it wasn't for the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. That coup severely fucked over that region for almost the next century. Even the Russian Tsars were saints in comparison to the Bolsheviks. I think that 1919 Russia was a missed opportunity for a US-led regime change war, frankly, if such a war would have actually been politically feasible. There, such a way would have probably done a whole lot of good, especially in the medium-term and long-term.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @LatW

    I can’t give up on the dolls because I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren’t harming anyone.

    I support the dolls but would make one minor change which is that the doll delivery guy shows up with a suppressed 9mm.

    Just one minor change.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    By that logic, why not simply imprison (in their own, separate prisons) anyone who has ever been sexually attracted to any minors below the age of consent, even if they've never actually harmed anyone? As a precautionary measure, I mean?

    If we're going to go full Bukele and ignore things like individual rights, due process, liberty, and the like, then why not, right?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  489. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I'm curious to know what you think about Nikki Halley? I just got through watching this recent interview with her, and found that a lot of her opinions mimic my own:

    https://youtu.be/neiU0DNobS0

    70% of Americans are looking for somebody other than either Trump or Biden...

    Replies: @AP

    I’ll be voting for her in the primary and in the general election if she becomes the candidate (highly doubtful).

    I don’t know yet whom I’ll vote for in the general election if, as expected, it is Trump vs. Biden. We’ll see who is on Trump’s team and what he will have to say in more detail about Ukraine.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    FWIW, as a registered Democrat myself (I registered back in 2010, I think), I also think that on Ukraine specifically, Haley would probably be better than Biden is. Though with Biden there is a smart logic in what he's doing in the sense that he doesn't want to commit more resources since that could mean that Russia could escalate by committing more resources of its own, and then the US would have to escalate again, and so forth. Rather than spending increasing amounts of resources on an escalation race that Biden can't be sure that the West is actually going to win (the West has a much greater total GDP relative to Russia, but Russia cares more about Ukraine, so can the West spend 1+% of its total GDP on Ukraine? Can Russia spend 25+% of its own total GDP on Ukraine?), Biden prefers to bleed the Russians slowly even if that means an indefinite stalemate on the battlefield.

    IDK, maybe the West really would win an escalation race against Russia with a sufficiently determined US President such as Haley. But it's not guaranteed. Especially if Haley will also be a China hawk and will thus want to spend some resources on further containing China.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I agree that her chances of beating Trump to head the Republican party on the ballot in November are slim to none unless, as JJ keeps reminding us, Trump snags a felony during one of his many upcoming legal battles. If this were to happen it would be a whole new ballgame. and her prospects would look real good all of a sudden. I think that this is her real strategy, although no one has yet stated this, as far as I know?

  490. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Would you accept me?
     
    Of course, sweetie, we would accept you, but you would have to cut down on all that tranny tolerance talk (and avoid bringing up "child sex dolls"). Also, cut down on all that free-for-all migration talk. Then, yes.

    Btw, I'm planning to send a WWI related book to a large library, I was thinking maybe to California, which library is the biggest one there, where the book might be the most useful and have the most exposure? Do you have any suggestions? Maybe UCLA library?


    BTW, I know that Latvia has some hott women:
     
    Yes. 😊

    Btw, thanks for that nerdy asmr video, I found similar ones out there (there is a version for women as well with a male voice). They're super relaxing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    U.S. universities have been captured by DEI. There is little chance they would treat the work appropriately. They would probably try to “gay it up”.

    I have no personal experience with the National WW I Archive and Museum (1). However, what little I heard of them is pretty good.

    While the Library of Congress publicity arm is DEI, their mechanical archiving is still supposed to be sound. If they do not have a copy they would likely want one.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theworldwar.org/research/center

    • Thanks: LatW
  491. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I can’t give up on the dolls because I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren’t harming anyone.

    I support the dolls but would make one minor change which is that the doll delivery guy shows up with a suppressed 9mm.

    Just one minor change.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    By that logic, why not simply imprison (in their own, separate prisons) anyone who has ever been sexually attracted to any minors below the age of consent, even if they’ve never actually harmed anyone? As a precautionary measure, I mean?

    If we’re going to go full Bukele and ignore things like individual rights, due process, liberty, and the like, then why not, right?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    By that logic, why not simply imprison (in their own, separate prisons) anyone who has ever been sexually attracted to any minors below the age of consent, even if they’ve never actually harmed anyone? As a precautionary measure, I mean?

    Sting operations are often the only way to catch these predators.

    I support the death penalty in most cases of such crimes as it can be difficult to catch them in the act. First time offenders should get a lengthy trial but second time would be on permanent probation and a 3 panel court could sentence them to a firing range in the morning. Scott Ritter for example should have been shot on his second offense.

    I criticize conservatives all the time but folks I am not a leftist.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  492. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I'll be voting for her in the primary and in the general election if she becomes the candidate (highly doubtful).

    I don't know yet whom I'll vote for in the general election if, as expected, it is Trump vs. Biden. We'll see who is on Trump's team and what he will have to say in more detail about Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    FWIW, as a registered Democrat myself (I registered back in 2010, I think), I also think that on Ukraine specifically, Haley would probably be better than Biden is. Though with Biden there is a smart logic in what he’s doing in the sense that he doesn’t want to commit more resources since that could mean that Russia could escalate by committing more resources of its own, and then the US would have to escalate again, and so forth. Rather than spending increasing amounts of resources on an escalation race that Biden can’t be sure that the West is actually going to win (the West has a much greater total GDP relative to Russia, but Russia cares more about Ukraine, so can the West spend 1+% of its total GDP on Ukraine? Can Russia spend 25+% of its own total GDP on Ukraine?), Biden prefers to bleed the Russians slowly even if that means an indefinite stalemate on the battlefield.

    IDK, maybe the West really would win an escalation race against Russia with a sufficiently determined US President such as Haley. But it’s not guaranteed. Especially if Haley will also be a China hawk and will thus want to spend some resources on further containing China.

  493. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    Trump is in big trouble.

    He still has the documents case and it sounds like a new tax case could be pending over the property over-valuation fraud.

    But if anyone wants to help this poor, poor billionaire there is a GoFundMe available:

    They are currently 916 thousand closer to 1 of 355 million dollars.
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-gofundme-raises-84k-355-million-target-24-hours-1870940

    MAGA fans please donate your hard earned money to this unfairly maligned billionaire who merely added 8 floors to his Vegas properly by making floor 8 jump to 16.

    Merely an oversight like adding 9 floors to his NYC tower.

    Accidents happen. It's perfectly understandable to add 9 floors or increase the square footage by 1/3.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

    You seem determined to show us how stupid you are. Can you let go of the “9 floors!!!!” nonsense? Do you really want to argue that the ‘greatest democracy that ever was‘ concerns itself with the violations to the building code? You sound insane.

    You got nothing: timing, low quality prosecutors, cases based on what to any observer looks like total bulls..t. Then there is the incredible Atlanta lying duo: old whiny black lady with her lover-pimp living in an old-cash economy. Do you really want this circus to continue?

    It is getting votes for Trump and losing your any residual respect around the world. People will throw this in your face for years and you will be embarrassed. You should hope it gets dismissed and ruled on by the Supremes soon – as time passes you just become more of a joke.

  494. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    Trump is in big trouble.

    He still has the documents case and it sounds like a new tax case could be pending over the property over-valuation fraud.

    But if anyone wants to help this poor, poor billionaire there is a GoFundMe available:

    They are currently 916 thousand closer to 1 of 355 million dollars.
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-gofundme-raises-84k-355-million-target-24-hours-1870940

    MAGA fans please donate your hard earned money to this unfairly maligned billionaire who merely added 8 floors to his Vegas properly by making floor 8 jump to 16.

    Merely an oversight like adding 9 floors to his NYC tower.

    Accidents happen. It's perfectly understandable to add 9 floors or increase the square footage by 1/3.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

    MAGA fans please donate your hard earned money to this unfairly maligned billionaire who merely added 8 floors to his Vegas properly by making floor 8 jump to 16.

    I’m actually getting tired of calling you a mor*n. I’d much rather you stopped spouting nonsense in every single comment and we could peacefully discuss organic Walmart breads or something…

    Let’s do the following instead. Below you can read the whole verdict signed by Justice Engoron. All 92 pages of it, including every finding of fact used to convict Trump. If you can find a single mention of the amount of floors in the Las Vegas Trump Tower, I will concede that you are right and I am wrong in characterizing you as person of low intellect. If, on the contrary, you cannot find any such thing, you’re going to be a man and admit that you have a strong tendency to make totally wrong statements.

    Do you accept the challenge?

    https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    Let’s do the following instead. Below you can read the whole verdict signed by Justice Engoron. All 92 pages of it, including every finding of fact used to convict Trump. If you can find a single mention of the amount of floors in the Las Vegas Trump Tower

    They didn't choose to prosecute every instance of fraud. That happens all time. They choose to not prosecute some charges to shorten the trial. They also left out his lying about the location of his NYC building. It doesn't mean that all the accusations were false.

    Are you really listening to yourself here? You're upset I cited more of his cases of overvaluation fraud and not the ones they focused on?

    Did you think I made up the Vegas fraud off the top of my head? Or adding floors to his NYC building? It was in the news months ago and he is on record making some lame excuse. Trump is the one who added floors to his buildings. No one is making this up. Geez calm down and have some midol. He is obviously a felon and you trying to be pedantic over the ruling. Give it a break already.

    The documents case is even worse so this might be a good time to get off of Trump train. It will not get easier defending this spoiled brat who thinks he can commit fraud and get away with it.

    Replies: @Mikel

  495. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    By that logic, why not simply imprison (in their own, separate prisons) anyone who has ever been sexually attracted to any minors below the age of consent, even if they've never actually harmed anyone? As a precautionary measure, I mean?

    If we're going to go full Bukele and ignore things like individual rights, due process, liberty, and the like, then why not, right?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    By that logic, why not simply imprison (in their own, separate prisons) anyone who has ever been sexually attracted to any minors below the age of consent, even if they’ve never actually harmed anyone? As a precautionary measure, I mean?

    Sting operations are often the only way to catch these predators.

    I support the death penalty in most cases of such crimes as it can be difficult to catch them in the act. First time offenders should get a lengthy trial but second time would be on permanent probation and a 3 panel court could sentence them to a firing range in the morning. Scott Ritter for example should have been shot on his second offense.

    I criticize conservatives all the time but folks I am not a leftist.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    So, why not inspect the hard drives of people who order child sex dolls? If they're clean, then there's no problem. If they're not clean, then they can be prosecuted. Though FWIW, I think that mere possession of actual child porn should be downgraded to a misdemeanor rather than a felony because it's nowhere near as evil as actually making child porn. At the very least, one should get such a charges downgrade if one will agree to cooperate with authorities by cleaning one's hard drive. There should, of course, be absolutely no legal penalty for possession of cartoon/animated child porn that does not involve any actual children being harmed for its production in any way. (Nor should cartoon/animated child porn be legally required to be erased from one's computer hard drive.)

    Replies: @James Of Africa, @John Johnson

  496. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    By that logic, why not simply imprison (in their own, separate prisons) anyone who has ever been sexually attracted to any minors below the age of consent, even if they’ve never actually harmed anyone? As a precautionary measure, I mean?

    Sting operations are often the only way to catch these predators.

    I support the death penalty in most cases of such crimes as it can be difficult to catch them in the act. First time offenders should get a lengthy trial but second time would be on permanent probation and a 3 panel court could sentence them to a firing range in the morning. Scott Ritter for example should have been shot on his second offense.

    I criticize conservatives all the time but folks I am not a leftist.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    So, why not inspect the hard drives of people who order child sex dolls? If they’re clean, then there’s no problem. If they’re not clean, then they can be prosecuted. Though FWIW, I think that mere possession of actual child porn should be downgraded to a misdemeanor rather than a felony because it’s nowhere near as evil as actually making child porn. At the very least, one should get such a charges downgrade if one will agree to cooperate with authorities by cleaning one’s hard drive. There should, of course, be absolutely no legal penalty for possession of cartoon/animated child porn that does not involve any actual children being harmed for its production in any way. (Nor should cartoon/animated child porn be legally required to be erased from one’s computer hard drive.)

    • Disagree: James Of Africa
    • Replies: @James Of Africa
    @Mr. XYZ

    Find a way to delete that.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    So, why not inspect the hard drives of people who order child sex dolls? If they’re clean, then there’s no problem. If they’re not clean, then they can be prosecuted.

    I don't know if I want to continue adding thoughts on your dolls. The idea is honestly a bit disturbing even if you mean well.

    Though FWIW, I think that mere possession of actual child porn should be downgraded to a misdemeanor rather than a felony because it’s nowhere near as evil as actually making child porn.

    I completely disagree. Sexual predators that target children are too much of a risk to society. Sting operations and porn are the best way of catching them before they act. Death penalty.

    I fully realize my opinion is outside the norm. I also support death sentences for drug dealers and that will probably never happen as well.

    I also support the death penalty for certain types of fraud. Highest level stuff like Bernie Madoff. I knew someone who lost 40k in a case like that. He got a letter saying his money didn't exist. I think they sent him a check for like 39 cents or something.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  497. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    MAGA fans please donate your hard earned money to this unfairly maligned billionaire who merely added 8 floors to his Vegas properly by making floor 8 jump to 16.
     
    I'm actually getting tired of calling you a mor*n. I'd much rather you stopped spouting nonsense in every single comment and we could peacefully discuss organic Walmart breads or something...

    Let's do the following instead. Below you can read the whole verdict signed by Justice Engoron. All 92 pages of it, including every finding of fact used to convict Trump. If you can find a single mention of the amount of floors in the Las Vegas Trump Tower, I will concede that you are right and I am wrong in characterizing you as person of low intellect. If, on the contrary, you cannot find any such thing, you're going to be a man and admit that you have a strong tendency to make totally wrong statements.

    Do you accept the challenge?

    https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Let’s do the following instead. Below you can read the whole verdict signed by Justice Engoron. All 92 pages of it, including every finding of fact used to convict Trump. If you can find a single mention of the amount of floors in the Las Vegas Trump Tower

    They didn’t choose to prosecute every instance of fraud. That happens all time. They choose to not prosecute some charges to shorten the trial. They also left out his lying about the location of his NYC building. It doesn’t mean that all the accusations were false.

    Are you really listening to yourself here? You’re upset I cited more of his cases of overvaluation fraud and not the ones they focused on?

    Did you think I made up the Vegas fraud off the top of my head? Or adding floors to his NYC building? It was in the news months ago and he is on record making some lame excuse. Trump is the one who added floors to his buildings. No one is making this up. Geez calm down and have some midol. He is obviously a felon and you trying to be pedantic over the ruling. Give it a break already.

    The documents case is even worse so this might be a good time to get off of Trump train. It will not get easier defending this spoiled brat who thinks he can commit fraud and get away with it.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson

    I knew you wouldn't be a man. Real men don't support the killing of women and children by the army of their own country.

    But I wouldn't have predicted that you would retort with such a load of crap. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. "I saw it in 'the news'. Therefore it must be true. So I'm going to repeat it here as a statement of fact because I am a m--".

    I am quite confident that it wasn't even in "the news" that Trump commited any fraud by adding floors to his Vegas tower. This democrat bitch NY attorney who called Trump "illegitimate president" and has been investigating his businesses since 2019 would't have left any possibility of fraud conviction out of the trial. In fact, Trump didn't even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That's about as much of a "fraud" as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2. You're all so desperate to get rid of Trump that you don't even know what the real accusations against him are. And the funny thing is that he's not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn't care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

  498. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Ukraine can become prosperous without recovering all of its lost territories
     
    The dream is shrinking. The problem is that Ukraine can be defined in many different ways - other countries can too, but they are not in play now. The "big Ukraine" that was put together by the commies is gone.

    The smallest possible Ukieland would be Galicia-with-suburbs, maybe 5-7 million landlocked Ukie-homogeneous country. In between those extremes are many possibilities: west-of-the-Dnieper, with Kiev or without, what about Kharkov and Odessa...

    Given that Russia has made it clear they don't want the ethnically pure Ukie regions and are not well disposed for Hungary-Poland-Romania grabbing lands, Ukies should replace the gang in Kiev and negotiate a neutral, but still sizable Ukraine. Offering deep buffer zones may help. Or they can wait for the war to establish new borders - Russia is patient and the Westies are not coming in to actually fight, it will happen eventually.

    Prosperity is gone for at least a generation. Given Ukies inability to postpone gratification, most people with two legs and arms or other valuable organ will leave. But it has been fun, hasn't it? Zelko will get bored on the Florida beaches, he will miss the excitement...but AP says it is 50-50 that Kiev will take back Crimea, and what do I know...

    Replies: @AP

    [Ukraine’s] Prosperity is gone for at least a generation

    This is like when you claimed that Ukraine’s economy wouldn’t grow for many years, right before it started doing so.

    The Western parts of the country have not seen a huge negative economic impact, indeed many business have relocated there from the East. End of war would see reconstruction money plus investment. Ukraine was of course relatively poor before the war, but there would be strong improvement after the war.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Do you think that eastern and southern Ukraine would also see strong improvement or would they become Ukraine's version of the Rust Belt, with Ukraine's main center of gravity heading to the north and west?

    Replies: @AP

  499. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    So, why not inspect the hard drives of people who order child sex dolls? If they're clean, then there's no problem. If they're not clean, then they can be prosecuted. Though FWIW, I think that mere possession of actual child porn should be downgraded to a misdemeanor rather than a felony because it's nowhere near as evil as actually making child porn. At the very least, one should get such a charges downgrade if one will agree to cooperate with authorities by cleaning one's hard drive. There should, of course, be absolutely no legal penalty for possession of cartoon/animated child porn that does not involve any actual children being harmed for its production in any way. (Nor should cartoon/animated child porn be legally required to be erased from one's computer hard drive.)

    Replies: @James Of Africa, @John Johnson

    Find a way to delete that.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @James Of Africa

    Delete what? My post here? No thank you!

    Replies: @James Of Africa

  500. @James Of Africa
    @Mr. XYZ

    Find a way to delete that.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Delete what? My post here? No thank you!

    • Replies: @James Of Africa
    @Mr. XYZ

    You should change your moniker to Short Eyes.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  501. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    So, why not inspect the hard drives of people who order child sex dolls? If they're clean, then there's no problem. If they're not clean, then they can be prosecuted. Though FWIW, I think that mere possession of actual child porn should be downgraded to a misdemeanor rather than a felony because it's nowhere near as evil as actually making child porn. At the very least, one should get such a charges downgrade if one will agree to cooperate with authorities by cleaning one's hard drive. There should, of course, be absolutely no legal penalty for possession of cartoon/animated child porn that does not involve any actual children being harmed for its production in any way. (Nor should cartoon/animated child porn be legally required to be erased from one's computer hard drive.)

    Replies: @James Of Africa, @John Johnson

    So, why not inspect the hard drives of people who order child sex dolls? If they’re clean, then there’s no problem. If they’re not clean, then they can be prosecuted.

    I don’t know if I want to continue adding thoughts on your dolls. The idea is honestly a bit disturbing even if you mean well.

    Though FWIW, I think that mere possession of actual child porn should be downgraded to a misdemeanor rather than a felony because it’s nowhere near as evil as actually making child porn.

    I completely disagree. Sexual predators that target children are too much of a risk to society. Sting operations and porn are the best way of catching them before they act. Death penalty.

    I fully realize my opinion is outside the norm. I also support death sentences for drug dealers and that will probably never happen as well.

    I also support the death penalty for certain types of fraud. Highest level stuff like Bernie Madoff. I knew someone who lost 40k in a case like that. He got a letter saying his money didn’t exist. I think they sent him a check for like 39 cents or something.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    The idea is honestly a bit disturbing even if you mean well.
     
    You don't think that inspecting people's computer hard drives is a good idea?

    I completely disagree. Sexual predators that target children are too much of a risk to society. Death penalty.

    I fully realize my opinion it outside the norm. I also support death sentences for drug dealers and that will probably never happen as well.
     
    Keeping them locked up for their entire lives in prison (separate prison sections just for them) would probably work just as well, no?

    FWIW, I would support the death penalty for any prisoners who engaged in murder, attempted murder, or other severe violence while in prison unless it was in self-defense.

    BTW, would you support flogging for very severe criminal offenses? There is a specific theory of originalism (specifically Raoul Berger's) that would have flogging still be constitutional even today.

    Replies: @QCIC

  502. @AP
    @Beckow


    [Ukraine's] Prosperity is gone for at least a generation
     
    This is like when you claimed that Ukraine's economy wouldn't grow for many years, right before it started doing so.

    The Western parts of the country have not seen a huge negative economic impact, indeed many business have relocated there from the East. End of war would see reconstruction money plus investment. Ukraine was of course relatively poor before the war, but there would be strong improvement after the war.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Do you think that eastern and southern Ukraine would also see strong improvement or would they become Ukraine’s version of the Rust Belt, with Ukraine’s main center of gravity heading to the north and west?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Southern Ukraine with the port of Odesa would be fine but I think the East will have a hard time recovering. A lot of the businesses that have left Kharkiv and moved to Kiev or Lviv are not going to return. Moreover, Russia will destroy more of the East before the war is over.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  503. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Of course, sweetie, we would accept you, but you would have to cut down on all that tranny tolerance talk (and avoid bringing up “child sex dolls”). Also, cut down on all that free-for-all migration talk. Then, yes.

     

    I can't give up on the dolls because I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren't harming anyone. The fact that their preferences are disgusting shouldn't mean that their preferences should be criminalized. Else, I'd certainly criminalize rimming as well! (Please don't look it up!)

    Honestly, if Latvia wants to embrace an Israeli-style ethno-state model, as in, only accept people as immigrants who are 1/4 Latvian or more, unless of course they are the citizens of another EU country (in which case this rule won't apply to them), then it should go for it. I'm not going to stand in their way. I do think that Latvians and Europeans in general should be encouraged to breed more, FWIW.


    Btw, I’m planning to send a WWI related book to a large library, I was thinking maybe to California, which library is the biggest one there, where the book might be the most useful and have the most exposure? Do you have any suggestions? Maybe UCLA library?

     

    Is the book in English or in Latvian?

    Sending it to the UCLA Library could be a good idea, I think. But it would be best of all for you to try finding a library that is quick and eager to digitize its various books.

    BTW, interesting fact: I was accepted into UCLA back in 2014 (from community college) but I went to UCI (which I was also accepted to) instead because I wanted to live at home rather than in the dorms.


    Yes. 😊

    Btw, thanks for that nerdy asmr video, I found similar ones out there (there is a version for women as well with a male voice). They’re super relaxing.
     

    No problem! :)

    BTW, off-topic, but are you into alternate history? I often fantasize about what kind of future your country, as well as Russia, Ukraine, et cetera would have had if it wasn't for the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. That coup severely fucked over that region for almost the next century. Even the Russian Tsars were saints in comparison to the Bolsheviks. I think that 1919 Russia was a missed opportunity for a US-led regime change war, frankly, if such a war would have actually been politically feasible. There, such a way would have probably done a whole lot of good, especially in the medium-term and long-term.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @LatW

    I can’t give up on the dolls

    LOL. Try not to tell yourself “I can’t give up on…” because you are programming yourself into a stressful state of mind, try to relax and say “I could give up on it, it’s not something I need right now”. Just relax your mind and give up that struggle.

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    I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren’t harming anyone

    It is harming society by merely existing. Why should the sexual whims of a small minority of deviant men (yes, it is predominantly males) be prioritized over the wellbeing of the society, especially the weakest ones in society? Nobody is “entitled to a satisfactory sex life”, it is a common good for people to be happy and sexually satisfied, but it’s not an entitlement. For most people, a satisfactory sex life can be reached through grown up straight sex. Sex happens in one’s head first and foremost anyway, so one doesn’t really need any toys. They can be fun, but they are not necessary. Whereas sexualizing children, even just in images, would be straight up harmful.

    There are people that have mental illness or other types of disability, who are able to live with it and cope without harming anyone or expecting anything from society. So I’m sure these pervy people are able to do this as well.

    Don’t you want to step away from all this and just focus on straight, feminine women instead? Just keep listening to the asmr, she’s quite good. ☺️

    Is the book in English or in Latvian?

    It’s translated into English, a diary and philosophical musings of a White Latvian officer from the 1920s (and the Civil War period).

    but I went to UCI (which I was also accepted to) instead because I wanted to live at home rather than in the dorms.

    I understand, I was very lucky too to have my own apartment, close to the uni, instead of having to live in a dorm. UCI is a good school, but did they not brainwash you there into wokeness?

    but are you into alternate history?

    I would be if I had more brain power (or a slightly more vigorous brain). I really have to strain myself to do this alternate history thing – you have to count several steps back from a historic event (plus the context) and then extrapolate it forward, after a few steps it gets hard. But it might be a good exercise to keep one’s cognitive capacity in good shape.

    if it wasn’t for the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. That coup severely fucked over that region for almost the next century. Even the Russian Tsars were saints in comparison to the Bolsheviks.

    I sometimes wonder what kind of a scenario you’re envisioning. Are you thinking of a scenario where the Empire remains completely intact and the Tsar stays in power, together with the whole structure (and with all the chernosotniks in place, btw, did you know that Tsar Nikolai was apparently a member of the Union of the Archangel Michael?). Or where he stays in power but the Empire is reformed? Are you taking into the account the whole European historic context and the period of revolutions from the mid 19th century? Or do you prefer the revolution happening but with SR’s coming into power instead? You have to take consider the whole context (the general rise of progressivism within the Empire).

    Btw, I did find your idea of traveling back in time to get rid of Lenin quite entertaining – and not too objectionable, lol. The role of the personality in history is important, of course, and can be critical, however, what if someone else came in his place? How about getting rid of a young Stalin? Most of today’s Russians would probably object (suckers), but not you and I, right?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    LOL. Try not to tell yourself “I can’t give up on…” because you are programming yourself into a stressful state of mind, try to relax and say “I could give up on it, it’s not something I need right now”. Just relax your mind and give up that struggle.

     

    I don't stress about it, but I do view it as a significant injustice, similar to, say, the persecution of gays in Russia and some other parts of the world.

    It is harming society by merely existing.
     
    Well, there's no cure for it just like there's no cure for homosexuality. The best that can be done is castration (either chemical or surgical), but it prevents one from having any sex life at all. That's a bit drastic if other, less drastic harm-free options can satisfy oneself, no? (If they can't, though, then castration it should be. It really does depend on the specific person.)

    Why should the sexual whims of a small minority of deviant men (yes, it is predominantly males) be prioritized over the wellbeing of the society, especially the weakest ones in society?
     
    There appear to be a lot of female teachers who prey on underage boys, so I'm unsure if it's a predominantly male phenomenon. But in any case, children aren't actually being hurt by the production and distribution of child sex dolls any more than children are being hurt by this extremely childlike young adult woman hypothetically having sex with pedophiles while simultaneously dressing and acting (role-playing) like a child:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgqZiGH5Jps

    By that logic, we might as well criminalize rape fantasy roleplaying between consenting adults because it might be insensitive and offensive to actual rape victims. Well, should we?


    Nobody is “entitled to a satisfactory sex life”, it is a common good for people to be happy and sexually satisfied, but it’s not an entitlement. For most people, a satisfactory sex life can be reached through grown up straight sex. Sex happens in one’s head first and foremost anyway, so one doesn’t really need any toys. They can be fun, but they are not necessary.
     
    I thought that one of the biggest arguments in favor of legalizing homosexuality in the West in the past was that gay people should also be entitled to a satisfactory sex life, especially since they are not harming anyone?

    Whereas sexualizing children, even just in images, would be straight up harmful.
     
    How so? Children wouldn't actually be traumatized by this, after all. I wouldn't be traumatized if some pedophile found the 12-year-old me attractive (even up to the point of them making a child sex doll replica of myself) but never did anything sexual with me or harmed me in any way, for instance.

    There are people that have mental illness or other types of disability, who are able to live with it and cope without harming anyone or expecting anything from society. So I’m sure these pervy people are able to do this as well.

     

    Well, from our experience with gay people, when society has told them to suppress their sexuality, it often tended not to work very well and instead resulted in depression, suicide attempts, and the like. I wouldn't be surprised if some pedophiles and other people who are attracted to minors (especially the virtuous kind) have similar feelings if they cannot get child sex dolls, or if they can get such dolls but then get arrested and deprived of these dolls and possibly thrown into prison immediately afterwards. The goal here should be to maximize human flourishing without harming others. Denying child sex dolls to pedophiles is a very specific and concrete harm. Would you yourself be willing to abstain from sex for your entire life, including with any sex toys/dolls that you might enjoy?

    Don’t you want to step away from all this and just focus on straight, feminine women instead? Just keep listening to the asmr, she’s quite good.
     
    As I said, I don't obsess over this but I nevertheless do consider it to be a significant injustice. As for straight, feminine women, I have recently viewed some hott photos of Liz Hurley.

    It’s translated into English, a diary and philosophical musings of a White Latvian officer from the 1920s (and the Civil War period).

     

    Interesting; so, they might be interested in this.

    I understand, I was very lucky too to have my own apartment, close to the uni, instead of having to live in a dorm. UCI is a good school, but did they not brainwash you there into wokeness?

     

    No, I was not brainwashed into Wokeness at all. I retained my race realist views while I was there. If anything, I became even more of a race realist while I attended UCI due to me reading people like Anatoly Karlin and some others.

    I don't view this as being incompatible with advocating in favor of large-scale immigration to countries such as the US. Even if one wants an Israeli-style white ethnostate here in the US, one should be eager and willing to adopt the Israeli criteria of 25% European or more by ancestry and their immediate family members. (Israel's Law of Return allows people who are 25% Jewish or more by ancestry and their immediate family members to immigrate to Israel unless they practice another religion.) So, an awful lot of Latin Americans would qualify for entry into the US.


    I would be if I had more brain power (or a slightly more vigorous brain). I really have to strain myself to do this alternate history thing – you have to count several steps back from a historic event (plus the context) and then extrapolate it forward, after a few steps it gets hard. But it might be a good exercise to keep one’s cognitive capacity in good shape.

     

    Yeah, it's always good to exercise one's brain as one gets older in an attempt to ensure that one's brain will remain sharp. :)

    I sometimes wonder what kind of a scenario you’re envisioning. Are you thinking of a scenario where the Empire remains completely intact and the Tsar stays in power, together with the whole structure
     
    No, I'm not. Or at least, that's not my preference. The Russian Empire was a nest of Great Russian chauvinism, which the current war has demonstrated is a very, very bad concept.

    (and with all the chernosotniks in place, btw, did you know that Tsar Nikolai was apparently a member of the Union of the Archangel Michael?).
     
    No, I didn't; thanks for sharing.

    Or where he stays in power but the Empire is reformed?
     
    That could be interesting, though I personally prefer republics.

    Are you taking into the account the whole European historic context and the period of revolutions from the mid 19th century?
     
    Yes, I am.

    Or do you prefer the revolution happening but with SR’s coming into power instead?
     
    That's my own ideal scenario, Yes.

    You have to take consider the whole context (the general rise of progressivism within the Empire).

     

    Yes, I know.

    Btw, I did find your idea of traveling back in time to get rid of Lenin quite entertaining – and not too objectionable, lol. The role of the personality in history is important, of course, and can be critical, however, what if someone else came in his place? How about getting rid of a young Stalin? Most of today’s Russians would probably object (suckers), but not you and I, right?
     
    Frankly, I view killing Lenin as more important than killing Stalin (or Hitler) since I am unsure that Stalin (or Hitler) would have ever amounted to all that much without Lenin.

    I've even developed a good and plausible (for contemporary audiences) excuse to justify killing Lenin in 1916: I've had an omen of a revolution occurring in Russia soon and I want to reunify the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks in order to reduce the risk of counterrevolutionaries crushing this revolution (since a divided revolutionary movement makes it easier for counterrevolutionaries to subsequently crush and destroy it), and since Lenin was an extraordinarily massive obstacle to such a (Bolshevik-Menshevik) reunification, I unfortunately had to get rid of him via assassination.

    Replies: @LatW

  504. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    Does Tucker Carlson know that Communists have better sex?

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry

    I’m not convinced that Tucker is capable of knowing much. So, I would vote for “No”.

  505. @AP
    @Beckow


    Are you sure it is not because you just don’t like his politics?
     
    Well, I did vote for him.

    I am somewhat agnostic about Trump's politics regarding Ukraine. Some of the people latching onto him and riding his coattails are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, but he does his own thing (he was proud of having shepherded the incredibly quick Covid vaccine; his followers tend to be anti-vaxxers). I am not fully pleased with the over-cautious Biden administration. Trump could be either a lot worse than Biden, or much better. He was certainly a lot better than Obama had been. Trump's idea of Ukrainian aid being a loan with 0% interest to be paid back with no fixed date but when/if Ukraine becomes prosperous is an interesting one. If Trump's idea goes through it will incentivize America to make sure that Ukraine wins - otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    It will be clearer as the election approaches. The VP choice will be a signal.

    Any businessmen will tell you that if all the forms he ever submitted are diligently examined there will be “fraud”
     
    It may be customary for businessmen-real estate developers in corrupt cities to lie in order to fraudulently obtain loans, and that usually nobody bothers to check. In that case, people from this class probably shouldn't run for office if they don't want to be investigated and have their crimes exposed.

    You are defending indefensible: ruling party (Biden&Co.) can’t harass its main opponent with endless bs ‘legal’ violations right before the elections
     
    If the main opponent happens to have an extensive history of breaking the law, what should Biden do? Give a free pass? This will provide an incentive for law-breakers to run for office.

    Do you think that if Trump wins, the Biden family should be immune from investigation?

    You can equally dig through Biden’s 50-year record and find badly filled applications, undisclosed assets
     
    I'm sure they are doing just that. Trump has been doing more than mere clerical errors, apparently.

    It is not worth the cost in reputation – US is becoming a joke, people around the world
     
    Corrupt criminal rich guy with sketchy business practices running for office on a populist platform - America is indeed looking like Slovakia, Hungary, or even Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    If Trumps idea will go through it will incentivise America to make sure Ukraine wins – otherwise it will not get its loan back.

    LMAO, so to compensate for the fact you’re a fraud trying to be ukrop diaspora…. you are adopting khokholnomics – the biggest financial illiteracy possible.

    Russian exports of JUST Uranium to the US, are more than entire Ukrop exports to US you cretin. Over 1.2 billion dollars just for that. Russian trade with the Americans is at least 10 times that of 404 with the US (SMO or no SMO).
    And that’s with Russian trade with US, even in a good year (and Biden’s first year was very good year of trade with US)….. being abysmal compared to Germany, France, UK etc.

    Russia is a much bigger export market now and as further potential for American high-tech products, machinery, agriculture…… than the failing pile of garbage, disaster economy of Ukraine could hope to be. Then there is the 600 billion dollars of Western assets in Russia. Numerous Russian resource and non-resource companies are successful and guarantee strong financial return for Western shareholders and organisations. Ukraine has almost zero of that in non-natural resource companies. A non-contest.

    People such as Sechin and Miller were literally begging mostly American-run western companies to invest in oil and gas exploration projects before 2014 and in sites that were about to go active.

    So the financial “incentive” to support Ukraine is diseased nonsense. JUST as export market for American workers, Russia “buys out” entire Banderite US aid money in 15 years, less than that if bilateral becomes similar to the other main European countries.
    For Ukronazis,Americans are guaranteed getting their money back……never. Even in 30 years from a zero chance “victory” is optimistic

    That is if you look at this as US deciding on Russia vs Ukraine.

    Of course US oil and gas and MIC earns from this (even though SMO has been disastrous PR for Pindostani MIC).
    US increase in trade about 100 billion USD with EU and lost about 100 billion USD with China in annual trade since SMO – so it does align with the US policy of reorientation against or away from China. However short, medium and long term the EU economies are made more uncompetitive with over expensive “freedom” oil and LNG, and having a lot of US military hardware forced on them.

    From financial point of view, backing Ukraine against Russia is as retarded as supporting North Korea as better for business than South Korea in 1995.

  506. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    So, why not inspect the hard drives of people who order child sex dolls? If they’re clean, then there’s no problem. If they’re not clean, then they can be prosecuted.

    I don't know if I want to continue adding thoughts on your dolls. The idea is honestly a bit disturbing even if you mean well.

    Though FWIW, I think that mere possession of actual child porn should be downgraded to a misdemeanor rather than a felony because it’s nowhere near as evil as actually making child porn.

    I completely disagree. Sexual predators that target children are too much of a risk to society. Sting operations and porn are the best way of catching them before they act. Death penalty.

    I fully realize my opinion is outside the norm. I also support death sentences for drug dealers and that will probably never happen as well.

    I also support the death penalty for certain types of fraud. Highest level stuff like Bernie Madoff. I knew someone who lost 40k in a case like that. He got a letter saying his money didn't exist. I think they sent him a check for like 39 cents or something.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The idea is honestly a bit disturbing even if you mean well.

    You don’t think that inspecting people’s computer hard drives is a good idea?

    I completely disagree. Sexual predators that target children are too much of a risk to society. Death penalty.

    I fully realize my opinion it outside the norm. I also support death sentences for drug dealers and that will probably never happen as well.

    Keeping them locked up for their entire lives in prison (separate prison sections just for them) would probably work just as well, no?

    FWIW, I would support the death penalty for any prisoners who engaged in murder, attempted murder, or other severe violence while in prison unless it was in self-defense.

    BTW, would you support flogging for very severe criminal offenses? There is a specific theory of originalism (specifically Raoul Berger’s) that would have flogging still be constitutional even today.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    XYZ is a troll working to corrupt the Unz comment forum in various ways. In one tactic, he raises some interesting points as bait. Then he pollutes the comments with creepy sexual questions better suited for a different crowd. I assume he is intentionally working to leave a tainted trail in the Unz archives. This may be a take down strategy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

  507. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I'll be voting for her in the primary and in the general election if she becomes the candidate (highly doubtful).

    I don't know yet whom I'll vote for in the general election if, as expected, it is Trump vs. Biden. We'll see who is on Trump's team and what he will have to say in more detail about Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    I agree that her chances of beating Trump to head the Republican party on the ballot in November are slim to none unless, as JJ keeps reminding us, Trump snags a felony during one of his many upcoming legal battles. If this were to happen it would be a whole new ballgame. and her prospects would look real good all of a sudden. I think that this is her real strategy, although no one has yet stated this, as far as I know?

  508. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    Does Tucker Carlson know that Communists have better sex?

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry

    In a different time, Carlson could be close to Stalinism, especially. Mainly his career, complaining about the American bourgeoisie and contradictions of their imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism. He also likes the Stalin’s project like the metro.

    He’s happy because there are no homeless and alcoholics. He would sad if he knows it’s only because city police move groups of lumpenproletariat to different areas, it’s not because of Stalinist attainment against social parasitism.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Carlson could be close to Stalinism, especially
     
    Right, he also doesn't seem to object too much to mass murder taking place in a neighboring country. Similarly as most Russians.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    Tucker is a limited hangout and is very mixed. In the distant past he could have been part of the pro-Czar moneyed elite working to bring in Communism. When the Bolsheviks trashed everything he would have bailed out to Europe. Eventually he would have understood the error of his ways.

    I think he speaks out against wars in lots of places including Ukraine. He recognizes the Ukrainian mess is a war of empire, in this case the West against Russia. He also recognizes that modern warfare is extremely dangerous and most people have more to lose than in previous imperial machinations. He is from a monied strata which feeds on corruption, so he has no illusions about rampant corruption on all sides.

    His purpose with the Moscow work is to give some remedial education to the Western masses who know NOTHING about Russia. Considering the stakes for this conflict, this is a noble purpose.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  509. To save taxpayer peoples’ money, Milei travels in the commercial plane with the ordinary passengers of Argentina. As a politician, you would need to be still popular enough with your country’s people to not be lynched.

  510. @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    In a different time, Carlson could be close to Stalinism, especially. Mainly his career, complaining about the American bourgeoisie and contradictions of their imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism. He also likes the Stalin's project like the metro.

    He's happy because there are no homeless and alcoholics. He would sad if he knows it's only because city police move groups of lumpenproletariat to different areas, it's not because of Stalinist attainment against social parasitism.

    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1757901280830505037

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

    Carlson could be close to Stalinism, especially

    Right, he also doesn’t seem to object too much to mass murder taking place in a neighboring country. Similarly as most Russians.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Frankly, you should call Tucker Carlson "Tucker the Fucker" from now on!

  511. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I can’t give up on the dolls
     
    LOL. Try not to tell yourself "I can't give up on..." because you are programming yourself into a stressful state of mind, try to relax and say "I could give up on it, it's not something I need right now". Just relax your mind and give up that struggle.

    I believe that everyone should be entitled to a satisfactory sex life so long as they aren’t harming anyone
     
    It is harming society by merely existing. Why should the sexual whims of a small minority of deviant men (yes, it is predominantly males) be prioritized over the wellbeing of the society, especially the weakest ones in society? Nobody is "entitled to a satisfactory sex life", it is a common good for people to be happy and sexually satisfied, but it's not an entitlement. For most people, a satisfactory sex life can be reached through grown up straight sex. Sex happens in one's head first and foremost anyway, so one doesn't really need any toys. They can be fun, but they are not necessary. Whereas sexualizing children, even just in images, would be straight up harmful.

    There are people that have mental illness or other types of disability, who are able to live with it and cope without harming anyone or expecting anything from society. So I'm sure these pervy people are able to do this as well.

    Don't you want to step away from all this and just focus on straight, feminine women instead? Just keep listening to the asmr, she's quite good. ☺️

    Is the book in English or in Latvian?
     

    It's translated into English, a diary and philosophical musings of a White Latvian officer from the 1920s (and the Civil War period).

    but I went to UCI (which I was also accepted to) instead because I wanted to live at home rather than in the dorms.
     
    I understand, I was very lucky too to have my own apartment, close to the uni, instead of having to live in a dorm. UCI is a good school, but did they not brainwash you there into wokeness?

    but are you into alternate history?
     
    I would be if I had more brain power (or a slightly more vigorous brain). I really have to strain myself to do this alternate history thing - you have to count several steps back from a historic event (plus the context) and then extrapolate it forward, after a few steps it gets hard. But it might be a good exercise to keep one's cognitive capacity in good shape.

    if it wasn’t for the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. That coup severely fucked over that region for almost the next century. Even the Russian Tsars were saints in comparison to the Bolsheviks.
     
    I sometimes wonder what kind of a scenario you're envisioning. Are you thinking of a scenario where the Empire remains completely intact and the Tsar stays in power, together with the whole structure (and with all the chernosotniks in place, btw, did you know that Tsar Nikolai was apparently a member of the Union of the Archangel Michael?). Or where he stays in power but the Empire is reformed? Are you taking into the account the whole European historic context and the period of revolutions from the mid 19th century? Or do you prefer the revolution happening but with SR's coming into power instead? You have to take consider the whole context (the general rise of progressivism within the Empire).

    Btw, I did find your idea of traveling back in time to get rid of Lenin quite entertaining - and not too objectionable, lol. The role of the personality in history is important, of course, and can be critical, however, what if someone else came in his place? How about getting rid of a young Stalin? Most of today's Russians would probably object (suckers), but not you and I, right?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    LOL. Try not to tell yourself “I can’t give up on…” because you are programming yourself into a stressful state of mind, try to relax and say “I could give up on it, it’s not something I need right now”. Just relax your mind and give up that struggle.

    I don’t stress about it, but I do view it as a significant injustice, similar to, say, the persecution of gays in Russia and some other parts of the world.

    It is harming society by merely existing.

    Well, there’s no cure for it just like there’s no cure for homosexuality. The best that can be done is castration (either chemical or surgical), but it prevents one from having any sex life at all. That’s a bit drastic if other, less drastic harm-free options can satisfy oneself, no? (If they can’t, though, then castration it should be. It really does depend on the specific person.)

    Why should the sexual whims of a small minority of deviant men (yes, it is predominantly males) be prioritized over the wellbeing of the society, especially the weakest ones in society?

    There appear to be a lot of female teachers who prey on underage boys, so I’m unsure if it’s a predominantly male phenomenon. But in any case, children aren’t actually being hurt by the production and distribution of child sex dolls any more than children are being hurt by this extremely childlike young adult woman hypothetically having sex with pedophiles while simultaneously dressing and acting (role-playing) like a child:

    By that logic, we might as well criminalize rape fantasy roleplaying between consenting adults because it might be insensitive and offensive to actual rape victims. Well, should we?

    Nobody is “entitled to a satisfactory sex life”, it is a common good for people to be happy and sexually satisfied, but it’s not an entitlement. For most people, a satisfactory sex life can be reached through grown up straight sex. Sex happens in one’s head first and foremost anyway, so one doesn’t really need any toys. They can be fun, but they are not necessary.

    I thought that one of the biggest arguments in favor of legalizing homosexuality in the West in the past was that gay people should also be entitled to a satisfactory sex life, especially since they are not harming anyone?

    Whereas sexualizing children, even just in images, would be straight up harmful.

    How so? Children wouldn’t actually be traumatized by this, after all. I wouldn’t be traumatized if some pedophile found the 12-year-old me attractive (even up to the point of them making a child sex doll replica of myself) but never did anything sexual with me or harmed me in any way, for instance.

    There are people that have mental illness or other types of disability, who are able to live with it and cope without harming anyone or expecting anything from society. So I’m sure these pervy people are able to do this as well.

    Well, from our experience with gay people, when society has told them to suppress their sexuality, it often tended not to work very well and instead resulted in depression, suicide attempts, and the like. I wouldn’t be surprised if some pedophiles and other people who are attracted to minors (especially the virtuous kind) have similar feelings if they cannot get child sex dolls, or if they can get such dolls but then get arrested and deprived of these dolls and possibly thrown into prison immediately afterwards. The goal here should be to maximize human flourishing without harming others. Denying child sex dolls to pedophiles is a very specific and concrete harm. Would you yourself be willing to abstain from sex for your entire life, including with any sex toys/dolls that you might enjoy?

    Don’t you want to step away from all this and just focus on straight, feminine women instead? Just keep listening to the asmr, she’s quite good.

    As I said, I don’t obsess over this but I nevertheless do consider it to be a significant injustice. As for straight, feminine women, I have recently viewed some hott photos of Liz Hurley.

    It’s translated into English, a diary and philosophical musings of a White Latvian officer from the 1920s (and the Civil War period).

    Interesting; so, they might be interested in this.

    I understand, I was very lucky too to have my own apartment, close to the uni, instead of having to live in a dorm. UCI is a good school, but did they not brainwash you there into wokeness?

    No, I was not brainwashed into Wokeness at all. I retained my race realist views while I was there. If anything, I became even more of a race realist while I attended UCI due to me reading people like Anatoly Karlin and some others.

    I don’t view this as being incompatible with advocating in favor of large-scale immigration to countries such as the US. Even if one wants an Israeli-style white ethnostate here in the US, one should be eager and willing to adopt the Israeli criteria of 25% European or more by ancestry and their immediate family members. (Israel’s Law of Return allows people who are 25% Jewish or more by ancestry and their immediate family members to immigrate to Israel unless they practice another religion.) So, an awful lot of Latin Americans would qualify for entry into the US.

    I would be if I had more brain power (or a slightly more vigorous brain). I really have to strain myself to do this alternate history thing – you have to count several steps back from a historic event (plus the context) and then extrapolate it forward, after a few steps it gets hard. But it might be a good exercise to keep one’s cognitive capacity in good shape.

    Yeah, it’s always good to exercise one’s brain as one gets older in an attempt to ensure that one’s brain will remain sharp. 🙂

    I sometimes wonder what kind of a scenario you’re envisioning. Are you thinking of a scenario where the Empire remains completely intact and the Tsar stays in power, together with the whole structure

    No, I’m not. Or at least, that’s not my preference. The Russian Empire was a nest of Great Russian chauvinism, which the current war has demonstrated is a very, very bad concept.

    (and with all the chernosotniks in place, btw, did you know that Tsar Nikolai was apparently a member of the Union of the Archangel Michael?).

    No, I didn’t; thanks for sharing.

    Or where he stays in power but the Empire is reformed?

    That could be interesting, though I personally prefer republics.

    Are you taking into the account the whole European historic context and the period of revolutions from the mid 19th century?

    Yes, I am.

    Or do you prefer the revolution happening but with SR’s coming into power instead?

    That’s my own ideal scenario, Yes.

    You have to take consider the whole context (the general rise of progressivism within the Empire).

    Yes, I know.

    Btw, I did find your idea of traveling back in time to get rid of Lenin quite entertaining – and not too objectionable, lol. The role of the personality in history is important, of course, and can be critical, however, what if someone else came in his place? How about getting rid of a young Stalin? Most of today’s Russians would probably object (suckers), but not you and I, right?

    Frankly, I view killing Lenin as more important than killing Stalin (or Hitler) since I am unsure that Stalin (or Hitler) would have ever amounted to all that much without Lenin.

    I’ve even developed a good and plausible (for contemporary audiences) excuse to justify killing Lenin in 1916: I’ve had an omen of a revolution occurring in Russia soon and I want to reunify the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks in order to reduce the risk of counterrevolutionaries crushing this revolution (since a divided revolutionary movement makes it easier for counterrevolutionaries to subsequently crush and destroy it), and since Lenin was an extraordinarily massive obstacle to such a (Bolshevik-Menshevik) reunification, I unfortunately had to get rid of him via assassination.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I do view it as a significant injustice, similar to, say, the persecution of gays in Russia and some other parts of the world.
     
    It's not an injustice because there are potential victims on the other end or a party that suffers (mothers and children).

    It's also not comparable to homosexuality because that's typically between adults (although one can view it as a gradation or a transition into pedophilia, since homosexuals constantly talk about lowering the age of consent and of course they constantly lust after youths).

    That’s a bit drastic if other, less drastic harm-free options can satisfy oneself, no?
     
    How about neither castration (unless they've committed sex crimes), nor sex dolls, but maybe abstinence?

    There appear to be a lot of female teachers who prey on underage boys, so I’m unsure if it’s a predominantly male phenomenon.
     
    I'm pretty sure it's mostly men, and, no, there are not "a lot" of female teachers that "prey" on underage boys, male and female sexuality is different, very few women are real predators, very few. And we're talking about children here not teenagers. A very young female child is different than a teenage boy, you shouldn't lump these together (even if they are all innocent each in their own way).

    children aren’t actually being hurt by the production and distribution of child sex dolls
     
    Well, I already told you that the idea of innocence is being attacked, and the idea of what is normal and acceptable is being relativized (needlessly). Why should women and mothers especially have to see that? Don't you understand that this hurts women, psychologically, especially moms?

    By that logic, we might as well criminalize rape fantasy roleplaying between consenting adults because it might be insensitive and offensive to actual rape victims. Well, should we?
     
    No, because that's just roleplaying between adults. The images of assault on a female of course are not good (although some adults enjoy those types of fantasies), but this is not as bad as an assault on a child or normalizing the idea of a child as something sexual.

    I thought that one of the biggest arguments in favor of legalizing homosexuality in the West in the past was that gay people should also be entitled to a satisfactory sex life, especially since they are not harming anyone?
     
    They sometimes harm each other, they are often careless and they sometimes have unhealthy types of sex. They have substance abuse problems. Don't you know the whole truth about homosexuals? Not to denigrate them, but to simply know the full truth about their "lifestyle". So something that you call "satisfactory sex life" is actually a very broad concept. Some people may never be satisfied.

    Well, from our experience with gay people, when society has told them to suppress their sexuality, it often tended not to work very well and instead resulted in depression, suicide attempts, and the like.

     

    We don't know if those things were caused by "society suppressing" them or by something intrinsic in their sexuality, in their relationships or self-image. It might be that those types of relationships and that type of sexual interest is inherently unstable. Gays are accepted now, but did they stop having these dysfunctions? No. They are internally restless. The flamboyant gays also have a lot of self image problems since they simultaneously obsess over their appearance and being sexually desirable and yet they also have a striving to act "like men", this makes them restless and "never satisfied" (probably presents internal contradictions). They can also be jealous of straight women. All of this causes psychological problems. Some basic tolerance is ok, but don't let them dance on your head (the way they do in some places).

    Children wouldn’t actually be traumatized by this, after all.
     

    Our job is to keep children out of harm's way at all times, including and especially when the children themselves are not aware of this harm or do not fully understand it. Also, keep unneeded information and stimulation that can be confusing away from them.

    I wouldn’t be traumatized if some pedophile found the 12-year-old me attractive (even up to the point of them making a child sex doll replica of myself) but never did anything sexual with me or harmed me in any way, for instance.
     
    Most parents would be totally not ok with this (with a 12 year old, much less even younger). Most children are not even aware of anything like what you mention. You're a child at 12, and you don't get to make those kinds of conclusions, those will be made for you by the parents. Children can be free, but they should be protected first.

    I have recently viewed some hott photos of Liz Hurley.
     
    Oh... ok... hahaha.

    I retained my race realist views
     
    Hm, I've noticed you taking some liberties with your "race realist" views, or maybe your views are only limited to admitting the IQ differences. As to immigration into the US, it might be viewed differently (more liberally) than immigration into indigenous European nations (that have deeper roots), although I would never impose that view upon the US.

    The Russian Empire was a nest of Great Russian chauvinism, which the current war has demonstrated is a very, very bad concept.
     
    Totally, and that was known by some of us already before the war. It is totally insane. Especially given that their human capital is not even all that.

    That could be interesting, though I personally prefer republics.
     
    Even if they kept the Empire, it would've eventually crumbled under the reforms.

    I’ve even developed a good and plausible (for contemporary audiences) excuse to justify killing Lenin in 1916: I’ve had an omen of a revolution occurring in Russia soon and I want to reunify the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks in order to reduce the risk of counterrevolutionaries crushing this revolution (since a divided revolutionary movement makes it easier for counterrevolutionaries to subsequently crush and destroy it), and since Lenin was an extraordinarily massive obstacle to such a (Bolshevik-Menshevik) reunification, I unfortunately had to get rid of him via assassination.
     
    Hahaha, that is quite intelligent, although a bit wishful, imo. But it is true that Lenin was very uncompromising, the question though is whether, even without him, the class differences and the class bias that the Bolsheviks had could be overcome. The differences in outlook were quite considerable, principal differences, in fact. These things must have been exacerbated by the war (as it radicalized people). Btw, there was a good moment to assassinate Lenin - when he was hiding in Finland, he only had that one Finnish guy guarding him (although it may have been difficult to find him in the woods).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  512. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Carlson could be close to Stalinism, especially
     
    Right, he also doesn't seem to object too much to mass murder taking place in a neighboring country. Similarly as most Russians.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Frankly, you should call Tucker Carlson “Tucker the Fucker” from now on!

  513. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    Let’s do the following instead. Below you can read the whole verdict signed by Justice Engoron. All 92 pages of it, including every finding of fact used to convict Trump. If you can find a single mention of the amount of floors in the Las Vegas Trump Tower

    They didn't choose to prosecute every instance of fraud. That happens all time. They choose to not prosecute some charges to shorten the trial. They also left out his lying about the location of his NYC building. It doesn't mean that all the accusations were false.

    Are you really listening to yourself here? You're upset I cited more of his cases of overvaluation fraud and not the ones they focused on?

    Did you think I made up the Vegas fraud off the top of my head? Or adding floors to his NYC building? It was in the news months ago and he is on record making some lame excuse. Trump is the one who added floors to his buildings. No one is making this up. Geez calm down and have some midol. He is obviously a felon and you trying to be pedantic over the ruling. Give it a break already.

    The documents case is even worse so this might be a good time to get off of Trump train. It will not get easier defending this spoiled brat who thinks he can commit fraud and get away with it.

    Replies: @Mikel

    I knew you wouldn’t be a man. Real men don’t support the killing of women and children by the army of their own country.

    But I wouldn’t have predicted that you would retort with such a load of crap. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. “I saw it in ‘the news’. Therefore it must be true. So I’m going to repeat it here as a statement of fact because I am a m–“.

    I am quite confident that it wasn’t even in “the news” that Trump commited any fraud by adding floors to his Vegas tower. This democrat bitch NY attorney who called Trump “illegitimate president” and has been investigating his businesses since 2019 would’t have left any possibility of fraud conviction out of the trial. In fact, Trump didn’t even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That’s about as much of a “fraud” as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2. You’re all so desperate to get rid of Trump that you don’t even know what the real accusations against him are. And the funny thing is that he’s not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn’t care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    But I wouldn’t have predicted that you would retort with such a load of crap. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. “I saw it in ‘the news’. Therefore it must be true. So I’m going to repeat it here as a statement of fact because I am a m–“.

    Are you unable to have a conversation like a normal person? Yes it was in the news 3 months ago during the investigation. Trump is on record making an excuse for adding floors to his NY tower and that was also not in the ruling. Are you saying the mar-a-lago fraud happened but any other accusation must be a media conspiracy? Trump would only commit this type of fraud in NY? That is what you are saying?

    You should really take a break from the internet.

    Defending this spoiled felon is not working for you.

    If you're actually screaming GET THE CRIME CORRECT at the computer screen then you might want to re-think everything.

    I am quite confident that it wasn’t even in “the news” that Trump committed any fraud by adding floors to his Vegas tower

    You don't think it is possible that Vegas is out of the jurisdiction? Or they simply decided to not take up every case?

    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up? Do you think critics of Trump have to make this stuff up?

    Once again we have Trump fans that are upset with the critics and not Trump.

    You should really quit here. I can tell you haven't read about the documents case if you think this one is worth defending. His former lawyer sunk him in this case and he has two ex-employees that plan on testifying against him over the documents. That is why he wants immunity.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    In fact, Trump didn’t even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That’s about as much of a “fraud” as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2.
     
    Sure. But from the link to his court document:

    https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf

    "After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid. Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again"

    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I have no illusions that this kind of fraud is probably commonplace in the business, nor that it isn't a big deal (he paid the loan off, AFAIK). But as I said earlier, if you engage in fraud often, it might be wise to keep a low profile. There is nothing wrong with prosecuting fraud if it comes to the prosecutor's attention, as is the case when the criminal is so famous and provocative. This would also apply to Biden's family under a Republican administration.


    And the funny thing is that he’s [Trump] not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn’t care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.
     
    This is true. The MAGAtard grifters who try to parasite off Trump's fame are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, while Trump himself is not. He has recently said nice things about Zelensky. There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration. Unless one of those grifters becomes Trump's VP, then I'd be concerned.

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123, @Mr. XYZ

  514. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    LOL. Try not to tell yourself “I can’t give up on…” because you are programming yourself into a stressful state of mind, try to relax and say “I could give up on it, it’s not something I need right now”. Just relax your mind and give up that struggle.

     

    I don't stress about it, but I do view it as a significant injustice, similar to, say, the persecution of gays in Russia and some other parts of the world.

    It is harming society by merely existing.
     
    Well, there's no cure for it just like there's no cure for homosexuality. The best that can be done is castration (either chemical or surgical), but it prevents one from having any sex life at all. That's a bit drastic if other, less drastic harm-free options can satisfy oneself, no? (If they can't, though, then castration it should be. It really does depend on the specific person.)

    Why should the sexual whims of a small minority of deviant men (yes, it is predominantly males) be prioritized over the wellbeing of the society, especially the weakest ones in society?
     
    There appear to be a lot of female teachers who prey on underage boys, so I'm unsure if it's a predominantly male phenomenon. But in any case, children aren't actually being hurt by the production and distribution of child sex dolls any more than children are being hurt by this extremely childlike young adult woman hypothetically having sex with pedophiles while simultaneously dressing and acting (role-playing) like a child:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgqZiGH5Jps

    By that logic, we might as well criminalize rape fantasy roleplaying between consenting adults because it might be insensitive and offensive to actual rape victims. Well, should we?


    Nobody is “entitled to a satisfactory sex life”, it is a common good for people to be happy and sexually satisfied, but it’s not an entitlement. For most people, a satisfactory sex life can be reached through grown up straight sex. Sex happens in one’s head first and foremost anyway, so one doesn’t really need any toys. They can be fun, but they are not necessary.
     
    I thought that one of the biggest arguments in favor of legalizing homosexuality in the West in the past was that gay people should also be entitled to a satisfactory sex life, especially since they are not harming anyone?

    Whereas sexualizing children, even just in images, would be straight up harmful.
     
    How so? Children wouldn't actually be traumatized by this, after all. I wouldn't be traumatized if some pedophile found the 12-year-old me attractive (even up to the point of them making a child sex doll replica of myself) but never did anything sexual with me or harmed me in any way, for instance.

    There are people that have mental illness or other types of disability, who are able to live with it and cope without harming anyone or expecting anything from society. So I’m sure these pervy people are able to do this as well.

     

    Well, from our experience with gay people, when society has told them to suppress their sexuality, it often tended not to work very well and instead resulted in depression, suicide attempts, and the like. I wouldn't be surprised if some pedophiles and other people who are attracted to minors (especially the virtuous kind) have similar feelings if they cannot get child sex dolls, or if they can get such dolls but then get arrested and deprived of these dolls and possibly thrown into prison immediately afterwards. The goal here should be to maximize human flourishing without harming others. Denying child sex dolls to pedophiles is a very specific and concrete harm. Would you yourself be willing to abstain from sex for your entire life, including with any sex toys/dolls that you might enjoy?

    Don’t you want to step away from all this and just focus on straight, feminine women instead? Just keep listening to the asmr, she’s quite good.
     
    As I said, I don't obsess over this but I nevertheless do consider it to be a significant injustice. As for straight, feminine women, I have recently viewed some hott photos of Liz Hurley.

    It’s translated into English, a diary and philosophical musings of a White Latvian officer from the 1920s (and the Civil War period).

     

    Interesting; so, they might be interested in this.

    I understand, I was very lucky too to have my own apartment, close to the uni, instead of having to live in a dorm. UCI is a good school, but did they not brainwash you there into wokeness?

     

    No, I was not brainwashed into Wokeness at all. I retained my race realist views while I was there. If anything, I became even more of a race realist while I attended UCI due to me reading people like Anatoly Karlin and some others.

    I don't view this as being incompatible with advocating in favor of large-scale immigration to countries such as the US. Even if one wants an Israeli-style white ethnostate here in the US, one should be eager and willing to adopt the Israeli criteria of 25% European or more by ancestry and their immediate family members. (Israel's Law of Return allows people who are 25% Jewish or more by ancestry and their immediate family members to immigrate to Israel unless they practice another religion.) So, an awful lot of Latin Americans would qualify for entry into the US.


    I would be if I had more brain power (or a slightly more vigorous brain). I really have to strain myself to do this alternate history thing – you have to count several steps back from a historic event (plus the context) and then extrapolate it forward, after a few steps it gets hard. But it might be a good exercise to keep one’s cognitive capacity in good shape.

     

    Yeah, it's always good to exercise one's brain as one gets older in an attempt to ensure that one's brain will remain sharp. :)

    I sometimes wonder what kind of a scenario you’re envisioning. Are you thinking of a scenario where the Empire remains completely intact and the Tsar stays in power, together with the whole structure
     
    No, I'm not. Or at least, that's not my preference. The Russian Empire was a nest of Great Russian chauvinism, which the current war has demonstrated is a very, very bad concept.

    (and with all the chernosotniks in place, btw, did you know that Tsar Nikolai was apparently a member of the Union of the Archangel Michael?).
     
    No, I didn't; thanks for sharing.

    Or where he stays in power but the Empire is reformed?
     
    That could be interesting, though I personally prefer republics.

    Are you taking into the account the whole European historic context and the period of revolutions from the mid 19th century?
     
    Yes, I am.

    Or do you prefer the revolution happening but with SR’s coming into power instead?
     
    That's my own ideal scenario, Yes.

    You have to take consider the whole context (the general rise of progressivism within the Empire).

     

    Yes, I know.

    Btw, I did find your idea of traveling back in time to get rid of Lenin quite entertaining – and not too objectionable, lol. The role of the personality in history is important, of course, and can be critical, however, what if someone else came in his place? How about getting rid of a young Stalin? Most of today’s Russians would probably object (suckers), but not you and I, right?
     
    Frankly, I view killing Lenin as more important than killing Stalin (or Hitler) since I am unsure that Stalin (or Hitler) would have ever amounted to all that much without Lenin.

    I've even developed a good and plausible (for contemporary audiences) excuse to justify killing Lenin in 1916: I've had an omen of a revolution occurring in Russia soon and I want to reunify the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks in order to reduce the risk of counterrevolutionaries crushing this revolution (since a divided revolutionary movement makes it easier for counterrevolutionaries to subsequently crush and destroy it), and since Lenin was an extraordinarily massive obstacle to such a (Bolshevik-Menshevik) reunification, I unfortunately had to get rid of him via assassination.

    Replies: @LatW

    I do view it as a significant injustice, similar to, say, the persecution of gays in Russia and some other parts of the world.

    It’s not an injustice because there are potential victims on the other end or a party that suffers (mothers and children).

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    It’s also not comparable to homosexuality because that’s typically between adults (although one can view it as a gradation or a transition into pedophilia, since homosexuals constantly talk about lowering the age of consent and of course they constantly lust after youths).

    That’s a bit drastic if other, less drastic harm-free options can satisfy oneself, no?

    How about neither castration (unless they’ve committed sex crimes), nor sex dolls, but maybe abstinence?

    There appear to be a lot of female teachers who prey on underage boys, so I’m unsure if it’s a predominantly male phenomenon.

    I’m pretty sure it’s mostly men, and, no, there are not “a lot” of female teachers that “prey” on underage boys, male and female sexuality is different, very few women are real predators, very few. And we’re talking about children here not teenagers. A very young female child is different than a teenage boy, you shouldn’t lump these together (even if they are all innocent each in their own way).

    children aren’t actually being hurt by the production and distribution of child sex dolls

    Well, I already told you that the idea of innocence is being attacked, and the idea of what is normal and acceptable is being relativized (needlessly). Why should women and mothers especially have to see that? Don’t you understand that this hurts women, psychologically, especially moms?

    By that logic, we might as well criminalize rape fantasy roleplaying between consenting adults because it might be insensitive and offensive to actual rape victims. Well, should we?

    No, because that’s just roleplaying between adults. The images of assault on a female of course are not good (although some adults enjoy those types of fantasies), but this is not as bad as an assault on a child or normalizing the idea of a child as something sexual.

    I thought that one of the biggest arguments in favor of legalizing homosexuality in the West in the past was that gay people should also be entitled to a satisfactory sex life, especially since they are not harming anyone?

    They sometimes harm each other, they are often careless and they sometimes have unhealthy types of sex. They have substance abuse problems. Don’t you know the whole truth about homosexuals? Not to denigrate them, but to simply know the full truth about their “lifestyle”. So something that you call “satisfactory sex life” is actually a very broad concept. Some people may never be satisfied.

    Well, from our experience with gay people, when society has told them to suppress their sexuality, it often tended not to work very well and instead resulted in depression, suicide attempts, and the like.

    We don’t know if those things were caused by “society suppressing” them or by something intrinsic in their sexuality, in their relationships or self-image. It might be that those types of relationships and that type of sexual interest is inherently unstable. Gays are accepted now, but did they stop having these dysfunctions? No. They are internally restless. The flamboyant gays also have a lot of self image problems since they simultaneously obsess over their appearance and being sexually desirable and yet they also have a striving to act “like men”, this makes them restless and “never satisfied” (probably presents internal contradictions). They can also be jealous of straight women. All of this causes psychological problems. Some basic tolerance is ok, but don’t let them dance on your head (the way they do in some places).

    Children wouldn’t actually be traumatized by this, after all.

    Our job is to keep children out of harm’s way at all times, including and especially when the children themselves are not aware of this harm or do not fully understand it. Also, keep unneeded information and stimulation that can be confusing away from them.

    I wouldn’t be traumatized if some pedophile found the 12-year-old me attractive (even up to the point of them making a child sex doll replica of myself) but never did anything sexual with me or harmed me in any way, for instance.

    Most parents would be totally not ok with this (with a 12 year old, much less even younger). Most children are not even aware of anything like what you mention. You’re a child at 12, and you don’t get to make those kinds of conclusions, those will be made for you by the parents. Children can be free, but they should be protected first.

    I have recently viewed some hott photos of Liz Hurley.

    Oh… ok… hahaha.

    I retained my race realist views

    Hm, I’ve noticed you taking some liberties with your “race realist” views, or maybe your views are only limited to admitting the IQ differences. As to immigration into the US, it might be viewed differently (more liberally) than immigration into indigenous European nations (that have deeper roots), although I would never impose that view upon the US.

    The Russian Empire was a nest of Great Russian chauvinism, which the current war has demonstrated is a very, very bad concept.

    Totally, and that was known by some of us already before the war. It is totally insane. Especially given that their human capital is not even all that.

    That could be interesting, though I personally prefer republics.

    Even if they kept the Empire, it would’ve eventually crumbled under the reforms.

    I’ve even developed a good and plausible (for contemporary audiences) excuse to justify killing Lenin in 1916: I’ve had an omen of a revolution occurring in Russia soon and I want to reunify the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks in order to reduce the risk of counterrevolutionaries crushing this revolution (since a divided revolutionary movement makes it easier for counterrevolutionaries to subsequently crush and destroy it), and since Lenin was an extraordinarily massive obstacle to such a (Bolshevik-Menshevik) reunification, I unfortunately had to get rid of him via assassination.

    Hahaha, that is quite intelligent, although a bit wishful, imo. But it is true that Lenin was very uncompromising, the question though is whether, even without him, the class differences and the class bias that the Bolsheviks had could be overcome. The differences in outlook were quite considerable, principal differences, in fact. These things must have been exacerbated by the war (as it radicalized people). Btw, there was a good moment to assassinate Lenin – when he was hiding in Finland, he only had that one Finnish guy guarding him (although it may have been difficult to find him in the woods).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    It’s not an injustice because there are potential victims on the other end or a party that suffers (mothers and children).

     

    I really don't consider people who merely have hurt feelings to be "victims".

    You have to keep in mind that I'm talking about those pedophiles who are virtuous--as in, those who permanently limit themselves to child sex dolls/robots and cartoon/animated child porn without ever touching any actual child porn and especially without ever harming any actual children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuous_Pedophiles


    It’s also not comparable to homosexuality because that’s typically between adults (although one can view it as a gradation or a transition into pedophilia, since homosexuals constantly talk about lowering the age of consent and of course they constantly lust after youths).

     

    Yes, but this involves an adult and a sex doll/robot, which is an inanimate object (and thus does not have its own interests). Not comparable to an adult having sex with an actual child.

    If there was an overabundance of adults with an extremely childlike appearance who were willing to have consensual sex with pedophiles and there was also a successful cure to aging, then we wouldn't need to be having this debate. But such adults (such as the woman in the video in my post above) are unfortunately extremely rare, so pedophiles (and hebephiles) need to satisfy themselves with dolls/robots instead.


    How about neither castration (unless they’ve committed sex crimes), nor sex dolls, but maybe abstinence?

     

    Abstinence is very hard to do when you aren't asexual and can't even fuck any sex doll/robot that you find attractive. And you presumably also want to deny them animated/cartoon child porn images for them to fap to, right?

    I’m pretty sure it’s mostly men, and, no, there are not “a lot” of female teachers that “prey” on underage boys, male and female sexuality is different, very few women are real predators, very few. And we’re talking about children here not teenagers. A very young female child is different than a teenage boy, you shouldn’t lump these together (even if they are all innocent each in their own way).

     

    Yeah, fair enough, but even if pedophiles are mostly men, I'm still interested in securing a good quality of life for those of them who don't seek to ever harm anyone else.

    Well, I already told you that the idea of innocence is being attacked, and the idea of what is normal and acceptable is being relativized (needlessly). Why should women and mothers especially have to see that? Don’t you understand that this hurts women, psychologically, especially moms?

     

    Frankly, women/moms having hurt feelings strikes me as being less of an injustice than denying a satisfactory harm-free sex life to pedophiles.

    As for attacking innocence, if someone faps to this photo, then they are also undermining this child's innocence, are they not?

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5c55184293a6324e1f793b37/1553561771682-T3V2IROQLCJ1BBABJM34/ArielFriedlander2.jpg

    (That's Desmond Napoles, a former child drag queen.)

    But even so, I don't see why exactly someone should actually be arrested for fapping to this photo or to a similar (fully clothed) photo regardless of just how distasteful this activity might be.


    No, because that’s just roleplaying between adults. The images of assault on a female of course are not good (although some adults enjoy those types of fantasies), but this is not as bad as an assault on a child or normalizing the idea of a child as something sexual.

     

    What are your thoughts on ageplay between consenting adults where one of the adults has an extremely childlike appearance and dresses and acts like a child and where this ageplay is also combined with rape fantasy roleplaying so that the other adult is pretending to rape the adult who looks and acts like a child for their own sexual pleasure? Should that be illegal?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageplay#:~:text=Ageplay%20or%20age%20play%20is,necessarily%20sexual%2C%20but%20can%20be.


    They sometimes harm each other, they are often careless and they sometimes have unhealthy types of sex. They have substance abuse problems. Don’t you know the whole truth about homosexuals? Not to denigrate them, but to simply know the full truth about their “lifestyle”. So something that you call “satisfactory sex life” is actually a very broad concept. Some people may never be satisfied.

     

    I'm unsure if their substance abuse problems are actually related to their homosexuality, as opposed to things such as homophobia. The main problem for them is the massive STD risk increase from anal sex, but now there appears to be a pill that reduces the risk of this to almost zero if taken daily.

    We don’t know if those things were caused by “society suppressing” them or by something intrinsic in their sexuality, in their relationships or self-image. It might be that those types of relationships and that type of sexual interest is inherently unstable. Gays are accepted now, but did they stop having these dysfunctions? No. They are internally restless. The flamboyant gays also have a lot of self image problems since they simultaneously obsess over their appearance and being sexually desirable and yet they also have a striving to act “like men”, this makes them restless and “never satisfied” (probably presents internal contradictions). They can also be jealous of straight women. All of this causes psychological problems. Some basic tolerance is ok, but don’t let them dance on your head (the way they do in some places).

     

    Fair points, but I still suspect that gay people are much more happy and fulfilled in the West, in spite of any problems that they still have, than they are in more homophobic countries such as Russia, let alone, say, Uganda.

    Our job is to keep children out of harm’s way at all times, including and especially when the children themselves are not aware of this harm or do not fully understand it. Also, keep unneeded information and stimulation that can be confusing away from them.

     

    Fucking a child sex doll is far from guaranteed to actually result in the subsequent harm of a child. If anything, there's a chance that it might even make actual children safer.

    Most parents would be totally not ok with this (with a 12 year old, much less even younger). Most children are not even aware of anything like what you mention. You’re a child at 12, and you don’t get to make those kinds of conclusions, those will be made for you by the parents. Children can be free, but they should be protected first.

     

    Well, there is the option of creating a generic child sex doll/robot that isn't modeled on any specific child in particular.

    Oh… ok… hahaha.

     

    Yeah, she is rather tasty:

    https://images.hellomagazine.com/horizon/portrait/cac44317ca5a-elizabeth-hurley-bikini.jpg

    https://agendasettingdiario.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/elizabeth-hurley-bikini-instagram.jpg

    https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/1200x712/5061317.jpg

    Have you yourself ever been into lesbianism, if you don't mind me asking?


    Hm, I’ve noticed you taking some liberties with your “race realist” views, or maybe your views are only limited to admitting the IQ differences. As to immigration into the US, it might be viewed differently (more liberally) than immigration into indigenous European nations (that have deeper roots), although I would never impose that view upon the US.

     

    Well, with the US, we get better immigrants than Europe gets. We get a lot more cognitive elites, and working-class Latin Americans are better than working-class Muslims (less radicalism):

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/immigration.html

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/images/1.png

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/images/2.png

    Europe's immigration patterns would be more-or-less OK if it wasn't for the Muslim world and Sub-Saharan Africa (excluding the non-blacks who move to Europe from there, of course), though:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2024/02/fiscal-impact-of-immigrants-by-country-of-origin/


    Totally, and that was known by some of us already before the war. It is totally insane. Especially given that their human capital is not even all that.

     

    Yeah, Russian nationalism repels elite human capital, unlike moderate Ukrainian nationalism (or European nationalism, for that matter), which attracts elite human capital.

    Even if they kept the Empire, it would’ve eventually crumbled under the reforms.

     

    Possibly, but if the SRs take over Russia afterwards instead of the Bolsheviks and avoid turning Russia into an extraordinarily brutal totalitarian dictatorship afterwards, then this would still be a huge win for Russia.

    Hahaha, that is quite intelligent, although a bit wishful, imo.
     
    It doesn't need to be accurate. It simply needs to sound realistic enough to avoid me getting an overly harsh punishment for this hypothetical crime. ;)

    But it is true that Lenin was very uncompromising, the question though is whether, even without him, the class differences and the class bias that the Bolsheviks had could be overcome. The differences in outlook were quite considerable, principal differences, in fact. These things must have been exacerbated by the war (as it radicalized people). Btw, there was a good moment to assassinate Lenin – when he was hiding in Finland, he only had that one Finnish guy guarding him (although it may have been difficult to find him in the woods).

     

    Weren't some Bolsheviks advocating in favor of a reunion with the Mensheviks in 1917 before Lenin returned to Russia?

    As for killing Lenin, I think that doing it while he was still in Switzerland would have been the best move of all. In Russia, it was easier for the Bolsheviks to subsequently retaliate for this by killing you. Not very pleasant at all!

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    BTW, I forgot to mention something: Had Russia not gone Bolshevik in 1917, it's entirely possible that there would have been a Central Asian "Great Migration" from their traditional homeland in Central Asia to the cities in Russia's Slavic heartland during the 20th century, similar to what occurred for African-Americans in the United States at the same time period in real life:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Percentage_of_African_American_population_living_in_the_American_South.png

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/GreatMigration1910to1970-UrbanPopulation.png

    The cause of this mass Central Asian migration would have been similar to that of the historical African-American Great Migration: As in, the search of better job opportunities (though in the case of the African-Americans, they were also fleeing Jim Crow oppression in the Southern US).

    Later on, South Asians could have possibly become Russia's equivalent of what Latin Americans are to the US, in the late 20th and 21st centuries. And of course the Russian Far East could have acquired a huge East Asian population, similar to the US West coast in real life.

    Replies: @LT1488

  515. Boris Johnson’s Laughable Attempts To Avoid Blame For Sabotage Of Istanbul Deal

  516. @Mikel
    @John Johnson

    I knew you wouldn't be a man. Real men don't support the killing of women and children by the army of their own country.

    But I wouldn't have predicted that you would retort with such a load of crap. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. "I saw it in 'the news'. Therefore it must be true. So I'm going to repeat it here as a statement of fact because I am a m--".

    I am quite confident that it wasn't even in "the news" that Trump commited any fraud by adding floors to his Vegas tower. This democrat bitch NY attorney who called Trump "illegitimate president" and has been investigating his businesses since 2019 would't have left any possibility of fraud conviction out of the trial. In fact, Trump didn't even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That's about as much of a "fraud" as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2. You're all so desperate to get rid of Trump that you don't even know what the real accusations against him are. And the funny thing is that he's not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn't care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    But I wouldn’t have predicted that you would retort with such a load of crap. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. “I saw it in ‘the news’. Therefore it must be true. So I’m going to repeat it here as a statement of fact because I am a m–“.

    Are you unable to have a conversation like a normal person? Yes it was in the news 3 months ago during the investigation. Trump is on record making an excuse for adding floors to his NY tower and that was also not in the ruling. Are you saying the mar-a-lago fraud happened but any other accusation must be a media conspiracy? Trump would only commit this type of fraud in NY? That is what you are saying?

    You should really take a break from the internet.

    Defending this spoiled felon is not working for you.

    If you’re actually screaming GET THE CRIME CORRECT at the computer screen then you might want to re-think everything.

    I am quite confident that it wasn’t even in “the news” that Trump committed any fraud by adding floors to his Vegas tower

    You don’t think it is possible that Vegas is out of the jurisdiction? Or they simply decided to not take up every case?

    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up? Do you think critics of Trump have to make this stuff up?

    Once again we have Trump fans that are upset with the critics and not Trump.

    You should really quit here. I can tell you haven’t read about the documents case if you think this one is worth defending. His former lawyer sunk him in this case and he has two ex-employees that plan on testifying against him over the documents. That is why he wants immunity.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up?
     
    It's no longer about what I think, it's about what I've proven.

    It wouldn't have made any difference for the core of the matter if Trump's conviction would have involved adding floors to his Vegas tower or not. You just decided to make a false statement and, once you have been proven wrong, you keep making up new stories to justify the original one instead of admitting your mistake.

    Knowing that you'll chicken out, I'm not going to offer you any new challenges but if you had some self-respect, you would be trying to prove that there was some semi-reliable article sometime somewhere saying that Trump has committed fraud by adding floors to his Vegas hotel and that this was left out of the trial because of jurisdiction matters or the other excuses you're making up on the go.

    But it's your reputation, not mine. If you don't care about everyone discarding anything you state here as probably false, I care even less. You're actually doing my work of showing what kind of people want Trump imprisoned and believe the MSM lies to justify that attack to the basic norms of the republic, like equality under the law.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  517. @Nontropy
    Oh boy. I have stopped reading Karlin a while ago because to me he just never seemed interesting and original enough. Today, I came across of his version of Hanania transformation:

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    ... I will then briefly discuss my current thoughts on the war and what I now see as the optimal template for Russia’s future after Putin – namely, liberal democracy and unironic commitment to “GloboHomo” values.
    ...
    Apart from attracting human capital, a strong Russian commitment to liberal democracy and LGBT rights would also ease its integration with GAE.

     

    LOL. No matter what new religion this guy devotes his soul to, he just can't stop always being wrong about everything. What's going to be his next turn?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Negronicus

    Hitching his wagon to Hanania simply can’t be the right move.

  518. @songbird
    @LatW


    I used to think that that’s just because the “crazy people” (to use your phrase) may be poor
     
    I didn't communicate it well, but I meant to say that they were like Greens. That they almost took an estatic religious pleasure from riding in trains that aren't the commuter rail. That many of them may have been moderately well off or perhaps even by a certain standard rich.

    I know what you are saying about crazy people though. There seem to be more of them in the city. Once this guy was talking to himself, and I felt like maybe there was a 50% chance that it was because he wanted me to talk to him, but I was too scared that he might be schizo to say anything, and besides I am no good at talking to strangers.

    In other train news, Sadiq is renaming the underground lines to Windrush (should this be recolored black?) and Suffragette. He is almost like a Dickens character, if Dickens had imagined that type.

    https://youtu.be/PZqF6iw8WjI?si=C4keSkXg43pCC0MS

    I actually don't object to the stations being denoted in foreign languages and scripts like Urdu, as I think it would be a fantastic joke to somehow let them get on it and then ship them to back. Keep sending the empty train back, and seeing how many get on it.

    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.

    Replies: @LatW, @Coconuts

    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.

    When I saw the story my initial thought that one of the lines names should have been Adolf Hitler, it just seemed to fit.

    On reflection my line up for the names of the six lines would be:

    Windrush
    Adolf Hitler
    Bantoid
    Lionesses
    Weaver
    Paul Morand (or possibly Pygmy)

    Bantoid is a strong idea so I have included it. Paul Morand is a French author who was critical of the negrophile movement in France between the wars. Pygmy is a possible alternative, if people think there would be too many things named after Paul Morand if the line was given that name.

    I don’t think my proposed names need a lot of explanation, imo it would be easier for Sadiq Khan to avoid accusations of politicising the line names if he adopted less controversial options like these.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Have never ridden on the London underground so I am not personally familiar with it, but I really like the idea of Pygmy, if there is any part of it with smaller trains, as with the Green Line in Boston.

    The Bantoid line could do a custom design on those boxes where they request people turn in their knives, where assegais could also be depicted and it could have maps commemorating the Bantu expansion, as well as population charts going out to 2100.

    Hitler is a pillar of modern liberalism and carries an almost bottomless iconography that could be exploited. Imagine what one could do with the mustache alone!

    Each line should have its own mascot to sell merch, like they might do in Japan.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Coconuts

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Coconuts

    What is the most prominent statue of Napoleon around Paris?

    Google is not reduced to complete uselessness!

    https://www.napoleon.org/en/magazine/places/vendome-column/

    A great man with a monumental death count. To be fair I don't think any French people attribute his greatness to the slaughter. On the other hand that is a gruesome level of collateral damage.

    , @LatW
    @Coconuts

    The Oswald Mosley line. :)

    I'd ride that every day. :)

    Replies: @Coconuts

  519. @Mr. XYZ
    @James Of Africa

    Delete what? My post here? No thank you!

    Replies: @James Of Africa

    You should change your moniker to Short Eyes.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @James Of Africa

    Why?

    Replies: @James Of Africa

  520. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    The idea is honestly a bit disturbing even if you mean well.
     
    You don't think that inspecting people's computer hard drives is a good idea?

    I completely disagree. Sexual predators that target children are too much of a risk to society. Death penalty.

    I fully realize my opinion it outside the norm. I also support death sentences for drug dealers and that will probably never happen as well.
     
    Keeping them locked up for their entire lives in prison (separate prison sections just for them) would probably work just as well, no?

    FWIW, I would support the death penalty for any prisoners who engaged in murder, attempted murder, or other severe violence while in prison unless it was in self-defense.

    BTW, would you support flogging for very severe criminal offenses? There is a specific theory of originalism (specifically Raoul Berger's) that would have flogging still be constitutional even today.

    Replies: @QCIC

    XYZ is a troll working to corrupt the Unz comment forum in various ways. In one tactic, he raises some interesting points as bait. Then he pollutes the comments with creepy sexual questions better suited for a different crowd. I assume he is intentionally working to leave a tainted trail in the Unz archives. This may be a take down strategy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    "tainted trail"..."takedown strategy"? Schwarzenegger was in a film where thousands of robots tried to takeover the world. Mr. XYZ seems to be starring in one where thousands of sex toys are trying to do the same thing. :-)

    https://m.natemat.pl/3a25140c4a348eb1dd717e1c05c1ba96,750,0,0,0.webp
    Meet Mr. & Mrs. XYZ?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Slatestarcodex + orbit is filled with these characters.

    As near as I can tell it is a combination of Asperber autism, an expensive useless education, no job, and the news that Scott Alexander (not his real name) is now getting paid multiple 100's 1000's $ per year to post his crap on substack. Not to cast aspersions on Alexander. He has written a half dozen marvelous posts in the last decade. But the man has a signal to noise ratio level of Curtis Yarvin. One delta or epsilon above ChatGPT.

    At least he isn't posting bot output. Yet.

    Within a couple years there might not be anything visible on the non-paywalled internet except bot output.

    Navalny's wife-widow is now doing the glamor circuit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/16/yulia-navalnaya-munich-security-conference-navalny-putin

    Guardian didn't have a picture of her new boyfriend. Do you think he has a lot of money?

  521. @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    In a different time, Carlson could be close to Stalinism, especially. Mainly his career, complaining about the American bourgeoisie and contradictions of their imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism. He also likes the Stalin's project like the metro.

    He's happy because there are no homeless and alcoholics. He would sad if he knows it's only because city police move groups of lumpenproletariat to different areas, it's not because of Stalinist attainment against social parasitism.

    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1757901280830505037

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

    Tucker is a limited hangout and is very mixed. In the distant past he could have been part of the pro-Czar moneyed elite working to bring in Communism. When the Bolsheviks trashed everything he would have bailed out to Europe. Eventually he would have understood the error of his ways.

    I think he speaks out against wars in lots of places including Ukraine. He recognizes the Ukrainian mess is a war of empire, in this case the West against Russia. He also recognizes that modern warfare is extremely dangerous and most people have more to lose than in previous imperial machinations. He is from a monied strata which feeds on corruption, so he has no illusions about rampant corruption on all sides.

    His purpose with the Moscow work is to give some remedial education to the Western masses who know NOTHING about Russia. Considering the stakes for this conflict, this is a noble purpose.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    There isn't justification for the mediocre quality of Carlson's report about Auchan, considering he is the highest income journalist in America.

    I guess, he made one useful observation in the report, about how they still sell Snickers. Another good thing, was not to censor the price on the cash register's screen. 9500 rubles was pretty high for someone who was buying the cheapest unbranded things in Auchan. His hypothesis the prices for those products would be higher in the USA probably shows he doesn't shop personally, maybe sends his personal assistant to buy imported European products in Whole Foods.

    His observation about the "fresh Russian bread" was almost like satire of a person who doesn't understand about "fake bread" in supermarkets.

    -

    I looked for a report about Auchan. I found an excellent report about Auchan on Youtube.

    She visits a large Auchan in Ekaterinburg (at the highway to Perm). I'll add some comments from what she says. Generally, she is speaking correctly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=appV1ldy_Sg

    2:30 - She is not balanced to complain about the pet food at Auchan in Ekaterinburg, you would see so much pet food in Europe. It's because Russia has the highest rate of cat ownership from any country in the world.

    4:00 - This is all a new situation from the sanctions. Coca-Cola was common in Russia until recently.

    5:30 - Nestle doesn't really price-gorge Russia. It's just the same prices as Europe.

    5:50 - All this Oreo stuff is pretty new in Russia. In my memory it wasn't even selling when I left Russia (around 9 years ago). I still haven't eaten Oreos.

    9:00 - Nutella price is mostly the same as Europe. Nutella should always cost more because they use a high ratio of real ingredients (hazelnuts).

    12:20 - There are the cheap "baked" things which Carlson has been excited about as "fresh bread". It's all less than $1.

    13:50 - She doesn't explain about the cheese ban. It was 2014 they banned the European cheese imports as a kind of "counter-sanction". It means the share of the market goes to local producers, many owned by friendly oligarchs.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

  522. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.
     
    When I saw the story my initial thought that one of the lines names should have been Adolf Hitler, it just seemed to fit.

    On reflection my line up for the names of the six lines would be:

    Windrush
    Adolf Hitler
    Bantoid
    Lionesses
    Weaver
    Paul Morand (or possibly Pygmy)

    Bantoid is a strong idea so I have included it. Paul Morand is a French author who was critical of the negrophile movement in France between the wars. Pygmy is a possible alternative, if people think there would be too many things named after Paul Morand if the line was given that name.

    I don't think my proposed names need a lot of explanation, imo it would be easier for Sadiq Khan to avoid accusations of politicising the line names if he adopted less controversial options like these.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    Have never ridden on the London underground so I am not personally familiar with it, but I really like the idea of Pygmy, if there is any part of it with smaller trains, as with the Green Line in Boston.

    The Bantoid line could do a custom design on those boxes where they request people turn in their knives, where assegais could also be depicted and it could have maps commemorating the Bantu expansion, as well as population charts going out to 2100.

    Hitler is a pillar of modern liberalism and carries an almost bottomless iconography that could be exploited. Imagine what one could do with the mustache alone!

    Each line should have its own mascot to sell merch, like they might do in Japan.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I lived in Boston at one time over the summer months and remember taking the subway to Jamaica Plains on Sundays. There was a nice small Greek Catholic church that I would attend there. A lot of the youth back then had a hard punk sort of look.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Have never ridden on the London underground so I am not personally familiar with it, but I really like the idea of Pygmy, if there is any part of it with smaller trains, as with the Green Line in Boston.
     
    Unfortunately, afaik the trains on the overground lines are all more or less the same size. If there was any narrow gauge section it would be a good candidate for Pygmy. I remember the metro in Budapest had some small trains on the oldest line as well.

    Hitler is a pillar of modern liberalism and carries an almost bottomless iconography that could be exploited. Imagine what one could do with the mustache alone!
     
    I also realised this, he is an iconic personality so the branding for that line would be easy. I can see a potential problem with tensions between fans of the Bantoid line and fans of the Pygmy one, significant clash of interests here.
  523. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    XYZ is a troll working to corrupt the Unz comment forum in various ways. In one tactic, he raises some interesting points as bait. Then he pollutes the comments with creepy sexual questions better suited for a different crowd. I assume he is intentionally working to leave a tainted trail in the Unz archives. This may be a take down strategy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    “tainted trail”…”takedown strategy”? Schwarzenegger was in a film where thousands of robots tried to takeover the world. Mr. XYZ seems to be starring in one where thousands of sex toys are trying to do the same thing. 🙂
    Meet Mr. & Mrs. XYZ?

    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Meet Mr. & Mrs. XYZ?

    And the sad thing is that she has cheated on him numerous times.

  524. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.
     
    When I saw the story my initial thought that one of the lines names should have been Adolf Hitler, it just seemed to fit.

    On reflection my line up for the names of the six lines would be:

    Windrush
    Adolf Hitler
    Bantoid
    Lionesses
    Weaver
    Paul Morand (or possibly Pygmy)

    Bantoid is a strong idea so I have included it. Paul Morand is a French author who was critical of the negrophile movement in France between the wars. Pygmy is a possible alternative, if people think there would be too many things named after Paul Morand if the line was given that name.

    I don't think my proposed names need a lot of explanation, imo it would be easier for Sadiq Khan to avoid accusations of politicising the line names if he adopted less controversial options like these.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    What is the most prominent statue of Napoleon around Paris?

    Google is not reduced to complete uselessness!

    https://www.napoleon.org/en/magazine/places/vendome-column/

    A great man with a monumental death count. To be fair I don’t think any French people attribute his greatness to the slaughter. On the other hand that is a gruesome level of collateral damage.

  525. @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Have never ridden on the London underground so I am not personally familiar with it, but I really like the idea of Pygmy, if there is any part of it with smaller trains, as with the Green Line in Boston.

    The Bantoid line could do a custom design on those boxes where they request people turn in their knives, where assegais could also be depicted and it could have maps commemorating the Bantu expansion, as well as population charts going out to 2100.

    Hitler is a pillar of modern liberalism and carries an almost bottomless iconography that could be exploited. Imagine what one could do with the mustache alone!

    Each line should have its own mascot to sell merch, like they might do in Japan.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Coconuts

    I lived in Boston at one time over the summer months and remember taking the subway to Jamaica Plains on Sundays. There was a nice small Greek Catholic church that I would attend there. A lot of the youth back then had a hard punk sort of look.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Did you ever see the wooden escalators? I think they were before my time. I heard they were more reliable than the other kind but maybe more dangerous or something. It is interesting to see some of the old designs that they had, before the advertising came in - seems more respectful.

    Never watched it, but X-files had an episode about the T in Boston that involved abandoned tunnels.

    Though it is the oldest underground in America, guess most of the old tunnels were abandoned, and the tunnels that are used today were primarily built in the '60s.

    https://youtu.be/yFIo-dBlmjs?si=WuZ6u3vwDFmAOFtw

    https://railroad.net/wanted-photos-of-old-wooden-escalators-t7452.html

    https://youtu.be/3jFTzIsdgIA?si=oGwY8bsmUY8wGbBY

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  526. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I lived in Boston at one time over the summer months and remember taking the subway to Jamaica Plains on Sundays. There was a nice small Greek Catholic church that I would attend there. A lot of the youth back then had a hard punk sort of look.

    Replies: @songbird

    Did you ever see the wooden escalators? I think they were before my time. I heard they were more reliable than the other kind but maybe more dangerous or something. It is interesting to see some of the old designs that they had, before the advertising came in – seems more respectful.

    Never watched it, but X-files had an episode about the T in Boston that involved abandoned tunnels.

    Though it is the oldest underground in America, guess most of the old tunnels were abandoned, and the tunnels that are used today were primarily built in the ’60s.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I haven't the time to watch the video clips that you've posted yet. When I get home from my own small nice church I'll give them a spin. Some habits die hard (thankfully). :-)

    I visited the "Irish" part of town too. I had a real sweet girlfriend that lived in this part of town, not far from the sea. A real good looker, half Irish and half Ukrainian - the best of two worlds. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  527. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    While he was in office, Trump was popular in Eastern Europe because his policies were much better than Obama’s had been. Obama was a disaster.
     
    I suspect that Trump's popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO. If he will get reelected, he will no longer have to worry about public opinion in the US.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW, @AP

    I suspect that Trump’s popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO.

    I suspect his threats are a negotiating ploy to get the Europeans to pay more for defense.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Maybe. That said, though, it's primarily the European countries who border Russia (and/or border the ex-USSR in general) who are going to be aggressively invested in doing this, and they're already spending a lot of defense even right now:

    https://img.semafor.com/1252f0d9de7553a798babb0797ff6669272afdc1-1106x1330.png

    NATO countries that don't border Russia obviously don't and won't feel anywhere near as passionately about spending more money on their own defense. Maybe that's an argument for the US to no longer station its own troops in countries like Germany, though. What do you think?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  528. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    XYZ is a troll working to corrupt the Unz comment forum in various ways. In one tactic, he raises some interesting points as bait. Then he pollutes the comments with creepy sexual questions better suited for a different crowd. I assume he is intentionally working to leave a tainted trail in the Unz archives. This may be a take down strategy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Slatestarcodex + orbit is filled with these characters.

    As near as I can tell it is a combination of Asperber autism, an expensive useless education, no job, and the news that Scott Alexander (not his real name) is now getting paid multiple 100’s 1000’s $ per year to post his crap on substack. Not to cast aspersions on Alexander. He has written a half dozen marvelous posts in the last decade. But the man has a signal to noise ratio level of Curtis Yarvin. One delta or epsilon above ChatGPT.

    At least he isn’t posting bot output. Yet.

    Within a couple years there might not be anything visible on the non-paywalled internet except bot output.

    Navalny’s wife-widow is now doing the glamor circuit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/16/yulia-navalnaya-munich-security-conference-navalny-putin

    Guardian didn’t have a picture of her new boyfriend. Do you think he has a lot of money?

  529. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Do you think that eastern and southern Ukraine would also see strong improvement or would they become Ukraine's version of the Rust Belt, with Ukraine's main center of gravity heading to the north and west?

    Replies: @AP

    Southern Ukraine with the port of Odesa would be fine but I think the East will have a hard time recovering. A lot of the businesses that have left Kharkiv and moved to Kiev or Lviv are not going to return. Moreover, Russia will destroy more of the East before the war is over.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Very sad to hear. :(

    Quite ironic that it is the historically most pro-Russian areas of Ukraine which Russia has been destroying, with both their economic output and some of their people fleeing further to the west and thus becoming even more svidomized in the process.

    Russia's (albeit not Putin's personally) best move back in 2014 would have been to do nothing other than to open Ukraine's borders with Russia wide open so that any Ukrainian who is not a criminal and who would have wanted to move to Russia would have been able to do so. In such a scenario, without the negative attitudes that Ukrainians got of Russia from its behavior in Crimea and Donbass, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if millions of Ukrainians would have packed their bags and permanently moved to Russia, especially if obtaining permanent residence in the West would have been unfeasible for them. Russo-Ukrainian relations would have been preserved in such a scenario, Russia would have gotten a population boost, Ukraine could have been emptied of some of its human capital, and Russia would not have had to suffer from Western sanctions or to destroy its own relations with the West, which could have remained at Obama-era semi-normal levels indefinitely.

    Nowadays, not even the Ukrainian mafia actually wants to associate with their Russian equivalents:

    https://www.economist.com/international/2023/04/24/how-the-war-split-the-mafia


    Ukrainian gangsters are also shunning their Russian counterparts. “It is one thing to be called a criminal; quite another to be thought of as a traitor,” says Mark Galeotti, author of “The Vory: Russia’s Super Mafia”. Loyalty to Ukraine is about risk control as well as patriotism. “If we were annexed to Russia, many of the guys in prison might be transferred a long way away,” explains one gangster. “Russian guards are merciless. None of us need that. So we’ll do the dirty work for Ukraine.“

     

    There has to be some level of credit for that type of epic fail!

    Replies: @Mikhail

  530. @A123
    Due to complaints about the length of the full 24 Hours of Daytona. I offer this instead. A short 4 hour race:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjfLqOmNa5k

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @songbird, @Robertson

    “Honey Look!”
    “There are these cars racing around in a big circle!…………c’mon hurry, I think there gonna do it again!”

    I never could understand the Nascar thing.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Robertson

    This is an IMSA race. They use the infield road circuit as part of the course.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Daytona_International_Speedway_-_Road_Course.svg/640px-Daytona_International_Speedway_-_Road_Course.svg.png

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Robertson

    It began during Prohibition shipping small loads of valuable liquor by automobile. Then the feds found out about the little criminals and started chasing them down. Then the little criminals built fast cars to out run the cops.

    Very sporting (in the beginning).

    The only legal way to see who has built the fastest car is on a race track. The cheapest race track is an oval. Not very sporting but human ingenuity works with what is available.

    If you have never driven a race car on a track you might want to give it a try. It is a total gas at first but it does get old fast and it isn't cheap. It is popular enough that most big cities have a facility. The ones in Texas were booked up several weeks in advance when I lived there.

  531. Chinese making bricks on Moon (to build a Great Wall?)

    https://www.universetoday.com/165771/chinas-change-8-mission-will-try-to-make-bricks-on-the-moon/#more-165771

    Japanese make commercial with AI model, setting off worries:

    [MORE]

    Space solar power stations by 2050?

    Requires at least 855 launches to geosynchronous orbit at an estimated cost of $500/kg (ridiculously low, even if Starship works)

    https://www.universetoday.com/165766/new-nasa-report-suggests-we-could-see-space-based-power-after-2050/#more-165766

  532. If a million Trump fans buy a pair of his $399 gold shoes then he should be ok.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    I wouldn't be surprised if kremlinstoogeA123 obtains a franchise and starts hawking these shoes right here. At $116, what home bar would be complete without this little treasure?

    https://pewter.com/cdn/shop/files/CPT11102E_44375fb7-b1e5-431e-9d1d-640cef50317a_600x_crop_center.jpg?v=1695065351

    , @LatW
    @John Johnson

    A few years back I bought some gold plated Trump bars. They didn't really appreciate as much as I hoped (lol), haven't really checked, maybe in a few months or closer to November they will become more popular, I could sell them then. :) Or maybe take them to Europe and sell them there (if he wins).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  533. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Did you ever see the wooden escalators? I think they were before my time. I heard they were more reliable than the other kind but maybe more dangerous or something. It is interesting to see some of the old designs that they had, before the advertising came in - seems more respectful.

    Never watched it, but X-files had an episode about the T in Boston that involved abandoned tunnels.

    Though it is the oldest underground in America, guess most of the old tunnels were abandoned, and the tunnels that are used today were primarily built in the '60s.

    https://youtu.be/yFIo-dBlmjs?si=WuZ6u3vwDFmAOFtw

    https://railroad.net/wanted-photos-of-old-wooden-escalators-t7452.html

    https://youtu.be/3jFTzIsdgIA?si=oGwY8bsmUY8wGbBY

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I haven’t the time to watch the video clips that you’ve posted yet. When I get home from my own small nice church I’ll give them a spin. Some habits die hard (thankfully). 🙂

    I visited the “Irish” part of town too. I had a real sweet girlfriend that lived in this part of town, not far from the sea. A real good looker, half Irish and half Ukrainian – the best of two worlds. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I visited the “Irish” part of town too
     
    .
    Oddly enough, none of my people ever lived there. Back then, nearly every part was Irish.

    A real good looker, half Irish and half Ukrainian – the best of two worlds.
     
    I actually remember being on a train a few years ago in the suburbs, and there was this group of teenage boys. They were basically normal kids from the close suburbs (I presume) and I remember one guy specifically saying that he did not think Irish girls were good-looking. (By which I am sure he meant Irish-Americans.)

    If I were there again I would ask him his ethnic background, out of curiosity.

    I think most of the girls I knew growing up must have been Irish or Italian or some combination. In some cases, they had an Irish name but were too dark to be pureblood. In other cases they had an Italian name were too light to be a pureblood from Southern Italy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  534. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    "tainted trail"..."takedown strategy"? Schwarzenegger was in a film where thousands of robots tried to takeover the world. Mr. XYZ seems to be starring in one where thousands of sex toys are trying to do the same thing. :-)

    https://m.natemat.pl/3a25140c4a348eb1dd717e1c05c1ba96,750,0,0,0.webp
    Meet Mr. & Mrs. XYZ?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Meet Mr. & Mrs. XYZ?

    And the sad thing is that she has cheated on him numerous times.

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
  535. @Mikel
    @John Johnson

    I knew you wouldn't be a man. Real men don't support the killing of women and children by the army of their own country.

    But I wouldn't have predicted that you would retort with such a load of crap. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. "I saw it in 'the news'. Therefore it must be true. So I'm going to repeat it here as a statement of fact because I am a m--".

    I am quite confident that it wasn't even in "the news" that Trump commited any fraud by adding floors to his Vegas tower. This democrat bitch NY attorney who called Trump "illegitimate president" and has been investigating his businesses since 2019 would't have left any possibility of fraud conviction out of the trial. In fact, Trump didn't even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That's about as much of a "fraud" as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2. You're all so desperate to get rid of Trump that you don't even know what the real accusations against him are. And the funny thing is that he's not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn't care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    In fact, Trump didn’t even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That’s about as much of a “fraud” as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2.

    Sure. But from the link to his court document:

    https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf

    “After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid. Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again”

    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I have no illusions that this kind of fraud is probably commonplace in the business, nor that it isn’t a big deal (he paid the loan off, AFAIK). But as I said earlier, if you engage in fraud often, it might be wise to keep a low profile. There is nothing wrong with prosecuting fraud if it comes to the prosecutor’s attention, as is the case when the criminal is so famous and provocative. This would also apply to Biden’s family under a Republican administration.

    And the funny thing is that he’s [Trump] not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn’t care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.

    This is true. The MAGAtard grifters who try to parasite off Trump’s fame are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, while Trump himself is not. He has recently said nice things about Zelensky. There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration. Unless one of those grifters becomes Trump’s VP, then I’d be concerned.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.
     
    I wouldn't be convicted of fraud for that in a million years. The bank would triple-check the veracity of my claims and approve or decline the loan based solely on their findings. A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.

    That's the only issue worth debating here. The rest is you guys playing the role you accuse Tucker of playing with Putin. But for real.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    , @A123
    @AP


    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.
     

    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application -- Would that be fraud? No.

    It needs a "material" fact that "impacts" the decision. The bank made their decision based on their farm size analysis, not the stated application acreage. The sloppy paperwork with the inadvertent error is thus "immaterial" as it did "not impact" the decision. Thus, no fraud exists.


    “After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid.
     
    So, there is no evidence of intent. Only "immaterial" paperwork issues that the lender did not rely on. Much like the farm example, there is no fraud in the generally accepted sense.

    NY law is different than the rest of the planet, so there is a tiny chance the verdict will not be overturned. However, even if appeals court lets the miscarriage of justice stand, they will have to reduce the fine to align with the trivial nature of the sloppy paperwork.

    Either way, making Trump into "the victim" is a blunder of epic proportions by the weaponized legal system. Every fake charge and obviously unfair proceeding increases his popularity. He remains comfortably ahead in 5 of the 7 swing states. And, the other 2 are effectively tied.


    There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration
     
    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars. The rabid administration of Not-The-President Biden was the optimum case that Kiev aggression could hope for. There is NO reason to believe that Trump's 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.

    That being said, politics is an imperfect art. Senate RINO's could trade another issue to obtain some funding for Ukraine. It is hard to predict what DC critters, like Lindsey Graham, will do.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikel, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Unless one of those grifters becomes Trump’s VP, then I’d be concerned.
     
    Elise Stefanik?
  536. @John Johnson
    If a million Trump fans buy a pair of his $399 gold shoes then he should be ok.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRlbu0e0Lf8

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    I wouldn’t be surprised if kremlinstoogeA123 obtains a franchise and starts hawking these shoes right here. At $116, what home bar would be complete without this little treasure?

  537. @Robertson
    @A123

    "Honey Look!"
    "There are these cars racing around in a big circle!............c'mon hurry, I think there gonna do it again!"



    I never could understand the Nascar thing.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    This is an IMSA race. They use the infield road circuit as part of the course.

    PEACE 😇

     

  538. @Robertson
    @A123

    "Honey Look!"
    "There are these cars racing around in a big circle!............c'mon hurry, I think there gonna do it again!"



    I never could understand the Nascar thing.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    It began during Prohibition shipping small loads of valuable liquor by automobile. Then the feds found out about the little criminals and started chasing them down. Then the little criminals built fast cars to out run the cops.

    Very sporting (in the beginning).

    The only legal way to see who has built the fastest car is on a race track. The cheapest race track is an oval. Not very sporting but human ingenuity works with what is available.

    If you have never driven a race car on a track you might want to give it a try. It is a total gas at first but it does get old fast and it isn’t cheap. It is popular enough that most big cities have a facility. The ones in Texas were booked up several weeks in advance when I lived there.

  539. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    But I wouldn’t have predicted that you would retort with such a load of crap. It all amounts to the same thing anyway. “I saw it in ‘the news’. Therefore it must be true. So I’m going to repeat it here as a statement of fact because I am a m–“.

    Are you unable to have a conversation like a normal person? Yes it was in the news 3 months ago during the investigation. Trump is on record making an excuse for adding floors to his NY tower and that was also not in the ruling. Are you saying the mar-a-lago fraud happened but any other accusation must be a media conspiracy? Trump would only commit this type of fraud in NY? That is what you are saying?

    You should really take a break from the internet.

    Defending this spoiled felon is not working for you.

    If you're actually screaming GET THE CRIME CORRECT at the computer screen then you might want to re-think everything.

    I am quite confident that it wasn’t even in “the news” that Trump committed any fraud by adding floors to his Vegas tower

    You don't think it is possible that Vegas is out of the jurisdiction? Or they simply decided to not take up every case?

    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up? Do you think critics of Trump have to make this stuff up?

    Once again we have Trump fans that are upset with the critics and not Trump.

    You should really quit here. I can tell you haven't read about the documents case if you think this one is worth defending. His former lawyer sunk him in this case and he has two ex-employees that plan on testifying against him over the documents. That is why he wants immunity.

    Replies: @Mikel

    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up?

    It’s no longer about what I think, it’s about what I’ve proven.

    It wouldn’t have made any difference for the core of the matter if Trump’s conviction would have involved adding floors to his Vegas tower or not. You just decided to make a false statement and, once you have been proven wrong, you keep making up new stories to justify the original one instead of admitting your mistake.

    Knowing that you’ll chicken out, I’m not going to offer you any new challenges but if you had some self-respect, you would be trying to prove that there was some semi-reliable article sometime somewhere saying that Trump has committed fraud by adding floors to his Vegas hotel and that this was left out of the trial because of jurisdiction matters or the other excuses you’re making up on the go.

    But it’s your reputation, not mine. If you don’t care about everyone discarding anything you state here as probably false, I care even less. You’re actually doing my work of showing what kind of people want Trump imprisoned and believe the MSM lies to justify that attack to the basic norms of the republic, like equality under the law.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up?
     
    It’s no longer about what I think, it’s about what I’ve proven.

    It wouldn’t have made any difference for the core of the matter if Trump’s conviction would have involved adding floors to his Vegas tower or not. You just decided to make a false statement and

    What is the false statement?

    Here is a news source on it:
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-team-inflating-building-size-defense-40-wall-street-1843579

    Trump's lawyers also presented a slide claiming the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada, is 64 stories tall.

    But Alexander noted that an architectural drawing shows the floor numbers jumping from what appears to be the 8th level to the 16th, allowing the top floor to be numbered 64.

    Took me an entire 5 minutes to find.

    Your orange felon is the one who makes stuff up like adding floors to a building and then tries to hawk gaudy shoes after getting caught. He also added floors to his NY building which you didn't bother to investigate. You pathetically decided that JJ MUST BE LYING because this fine orange felon would only do such things for a few buildings.

    Do you just assume that everyone goes through life making stuff up? Do you assume society is just some grand game of lies? I've somehow made it through life without lying on loan applications or selling golden gaudy crap. Your hero....not so much.

    This is a good time to get off the Trump train. His followers last year told us that he would beat all of these charges. He didn't and it was worse than anyone expected. In fact there is a new potential tax fraud case pending from this investigation. Just stop already.

    Replies: @Mikel

  540. @AP
    @Mikel


    In fact, Trump didn’t even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That’s about as much of a “fraud” as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2.
     
    Sure. But from the link to his court document:

    https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf

    "After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid. Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again"

    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I have no illusions that this kind of fraud is probably commonplace in the business, nor that it isn't a big deal (he paid the loan off, AFAIK). But as I said earlier, if you engage in fraud often, it might be wise to keep a low profile. There is nothing wrong with prosecuting fraud if it comes to the prosecutor's attention, as is the case when the criminal is so famous and provocative. This would also apply to Biden's family under a Republican administration.


    And the funny thing is that he’s [Trump] not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn’t care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.
     
    This is true. The MAGAtard grifters who try to parasite off Trump's fame are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, while Trump himself is not. He has recently said nice things about Zelensky. There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration. Unless one of those grifters becomes Trump's VP, then I'd be concerned.

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I wouldn’t be convicted of fraud for that in a million years. The bank would triple-check the veracity of my claims and approve or decline the loan based solely on their findings. A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.

    That’s the only issue worth debating here. The rest is you guys playing the role you accuse Tucker of playing with Putin. But for real.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.
     
    Remember Stalin’s show trials of 1930s? That’s exactly the level of “justice” in the US since it was hijacked by libtards. The only difference is that, unlike Stalin’s accused, Trump does not cooperate.

    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable? It’s not just sad, it’s a tragedy. In practical terms it’s an ongoing suicide of the US.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I wouldn’t be convicted of fraud for that in a million years.
     

    Probably. But would it be fraud or not? If you told the bank that your farm was 3 times larger than it actually was, for the purpose of getting a larger loan than you would have gotten?

    The bank would triple-check the veracity of my claims and approve or decline the loan based solely on their findings.

     

    Probably. And what if they failed to find that you were defrauding them and you got away with it? Or what if they had a relationship with you and looked the other way, knowing that you would pay off the loan anyways? Corrupt sweetheart deals aren't uncommon, I assume. But what may be informally acceptable in the shady world of New York property development may, for the beneficiaries of such corruption, be more dangerous and likely to be exposed when its practitioners go into national politics.

    A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.
     
    The corruption and double standards can go both ways. Maybe a regular citizen or small-time landlord would not have been able to get away with obtaining loans based on fraud as Trump was able to do over the years in corrupt New York.

    Your line of reasoning seems to suggest that if someone becomes politically relevant they should be immune to prosecution for fraud even if they actually did it, because of the likelihood that the prosecution may be politically motivated. Well, the solution to that would be to grant immunity from prosecution for any political candidate or holder of public office. This is how it was done in Ukraine. The result was that all sorts of criminals ran for public office, being motivated by the desire for immunity from prosecution. Political campaigns were good investments for their ill-gotten gains. The Donald Trump phenomenon really is the post-Sovietization of American politics. He's our Fico, Yanukovich, Poroshenko, or Orban.

    Replies: @Mikel

  541. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up?
     
    It's no longer about what I think, it's about what I've proven.

    It wouldn't have made any difference for the core of the matter if Trump's conviction would have involved adding floors to his Vegas tower or not. You just decided to make a false statement and, once you have been proven wrong, you keep making up new stories to justify the original one instead of admitting your mistake.

    Knowing that you'll chicken out, I'm not going to offer you any new challenges but if you had some self-respect, you would be trying to prove that there was some semi-reliable article sometime somewhere saying that Trump has committed fraud by adding floors to his Vegas hotel and that this was left out of the trial because of jurisdiction matters or the other excuses you're making up on the go.

    But it's your reputation, not mine. If you don't care about everyone discarding anything you state here as probably false, I care even less. You're actually doing my work of showing what kind of people want Trump imprisoned and believe the MSM lies to justify that attack to the basic norms of the republic, like equality under the law.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up?

    It’s no longer about what I think, it’s about what I’ve proven.

    It wouldn’t have made any difference for the core of the matter if Trump’s conviction would have involved adding floors to his Vegas tower or not. You just decided to make a false statement and

    What is the false statement?

    Here is a news source on it:
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-team-inflating-building-size-defense-40-wall-street-1843579

    Trump’s lawyers also presented a slide claiming the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada, is 64 stories tall.

    But Alexander noted that an architectural drawing shows the floor numbers jumping from what appears to be the 8th level to the 16th, allowing the top floor to be numbered 64.

    Took me an entire 5 minutes to find.

    Your orange felon is the one who makes stuff up like adding floors to a building and then tries to hawk gaudy shoes after getting caught. He also added floors to his NY building which you didn’t bother to investigate. You pathetically decided that JJ MUST BE LYING because this fine orange felon would only do such things for a few buildings.

    Do you just assume that everyone goes through life making stuff up? Do you assume society is just some grand game of lies? I’ve somehow made it through life without lying on loan applications or selling golden gaudy crap. Your hero….not so much.

    This is a good time to get off the Trump train. His followers last year told us that he would beat all of these charges. He didn’t and it was worse than anyone expected. In fact there is a new potential tax fraud case pending from this investigation. Just stop already.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Took me an entire 5 minutes to find.
     
    That's much more than it had taken me, which is why I knew from the beginning that you are confusing what some leftists media outlets reported on the show trial for people like you with what the accusations really were.

    Contrary to your silly statements, there was never any fraud in Las Vegas, which is why it was not used in this trial, as I proved. Trump's lawyers showing a drawing of the Las Vegas Trump International with the last floor marked 64 is NOT fraud, you dummy. You fell hook, line and sinker for what the lying MSM like Newsweek told you about the trial.

    As it happens, I have stayed at the Trump International and it does have a 64th floor, even though the number of actual stories is reportedly lower. That is totally normal practice for hotels. Last week I stayed in room 1418 of a totally different hotel, even though it has less than 300 hundred rooms.


    The Trump International Hotel Las Vegas is a 64-story hotel, condominium, and timeshare located on Fashion Show Drive in Paradise, Nevada
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Hotel_Las_Vegas

    How can people be so hopelessly gullible and defend the conviction of their ex-president for a drawing that shows how floors in a hotel are numbered?

    If you have done any travel at all, you have also stayed at hotels that mark floors and room numbers in a way to make them look more grandiose than they are. But you are unable to realize that that drawing didn't involve any fraud and that it was never used by the judge.

    So, again, where is the Las Vegas fraud? Where is the judge in this case leaving that fraud out for lack of jurisdiction or in order to expedite the ruling? Do you admit that you made that all up in order to defend the MSM lie that you believed or are you going to carry on exposing your foolishness?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  542. @Mikel
    @AP


    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.
     
    I wouldn't be convicted of fraud for that in a million years. The bank would triple-check the veracity of my claims and approve or decline the loan based solely on their findings. A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.

    That's the only issue worth debating here. The rest is you guys playing the role you accuse Tucker of playing with Putin. But for real.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.

    Remember Stalin’s show trials of 1930s? That’s exactly the level of “justice” in the US since it was hijacked by libtards. The only difference is that, unlike Stalin’s accused, Trump does not cooperate.

    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable? It’s not just sad, it’s a tragedy. In practical terms it’s an ongoing suicide of the US.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable? It’s not just sad, it’s a tragedy. In practical terms it’s an ongoing suicide of the US.
     
    In the dark times before Trump the two parties were dominated by "racial spoils" and "corporatism". Both were hostile to the American worker.

    MAGA is the way out of the ongoing U.S. suicide. It provides a Populist vehicle for American workers. Plus, traditional Judeo-Christian values.

    The Democrat party opposition is now "Islamophile progressive corporatism".

     
    https://www.out.tv/assets/Nieuws/Muslim-Pride__ScaleMaxWidthWzE5MjBd_ScaleMaxHeightWzEwODBd.jpg
     

    Who wants to be on the DNC side with these crazies?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Remember Stalin’s show trials of 1930s? That’s exactly the level of “justice” in the US since it was hijacked by libtards. The only difference is that, unlike Stalin’s accused, Trump does not cooperate.

    Those were fake trials with invented crimes and the accused were executed. No comparison to this sleazy real estate scumlord that seems unable to fill out a loan application honestly even though he is a billionaire .

    Trump never denied overvaluing his properties and his main argument was that he should get away with it because the loans were paid back. It's not fraud if everyone is fine with the outcome. Well the law doesn't work that way.

    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable?

    Definitely a low landscape which is why both of them should quit. We should not have to pick between this sleezy real estate slumlord and Biden who seems barely able to stand in front of a microphone.

  543. @AP
    @Mikel


    In fact, Trump didn’t even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That’s about as much of a “fraud” as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2.
     
    Sure. But from the link to his court document:

    https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf

    "After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid. Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again"

    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I have no illusions that this kind of fraud is probably commonplace in the business, nor that it isn't a big deal (he paid the loan off, AFAIK). But as I said earlier, if you engage in fraud often, it might be wise to keep a low profile. There is nothing wrong with prosecuting fraud if it comes to the prosecutor's attention, as is the case when the criminal is so famous and provocative. This would also apply to Biden's family under a Republican administration.


    And the funny thing is that he’s [Trump] not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn’t care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.
     
    This is true. The MAGAtard grifters who try to parasite off Trump's fame are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, while Trump himself is not. He has recently said nice things about Zelensky. There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration. Unless one of those grifters becomes Trump's VP, then I'd be concerned.

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application — Would that be fraud? No.

    It needs a “material” fact that “impacts” the decision. The bank made their decision based on their farm size analysis, not the stated application acreage. The sloppy paperwork with the inadvertent error is thus “immaterial” as it did “not impact” the decision. Thus, no fraud exists.

    “After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid.

    So, there is no evidence of intent. Only “immaterial” paperwork issues that the lender did not rely on. Much like the farm example, there is no fraud in the generally accepted sense.

    NY law is different than the rest of the planet, so there is a tiny chance the verdict will not be overturned. However, even if appeals court lets the miscarriage of justice stand, they will have to reduce the fine to align with the trivial nature of the sloppy paperwork.

    Either way, making Trump into “the victim” is a blunder of epic proportions by the weaponized legal system. Every fake charge and obviously unfair proceeding increases his popularity. He remains comfortably ahead in 5 of the 7 swing states. And, the other 2 are effectively tied.

    There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration

    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars. The rabid administration of Not-The-President Biden was the optimum case that Kiev aggression could hope for. There is NO reason to believe that Trump’s 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.

    That being said, politics is an imperfect art. Senate RINO’s could trade another issue to obtain some funding for Ukraine. It is hard to predict what DC critters, like Lindsey Graham, will do.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @A123


    The bank made their decision based on their farm size analysis, not the stated application acreage.
     
    Imagine banks reporting loan applicants to the authorities for fraud every time they find them embellishing their financial solvency in the loan forms. That's the world the Nikki supporters here want us to live in.

    there is a tiny chance the verdict will not be overturned
     
    The appeals court will be staffed by other NY judges so most likely they'll hold the conviction though, as you say, it will be surprising if they don't reduce the scandalous fine of almost half a billion dollars, if only for appearance purposes. But once again, it looks like the matter will have to go to the Supreme Court. They're just fabricating a big constitutional crisis with all these sham trials but they don't seem to care at all. It's a no holds barred fight against their hated political opponent like I don't think the US has seen in generations.
    , @AP
    @A123


    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application — Would that be fraud? No.
     
    I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. It seems to me that if the bank made its decision based on its own evaluation of the land records it did not base its decision on the applicants fraud, although the applicant may have committed fraud (or attempted fraud) by providing the wrong figure.

    In Trump's case, the judge stated that there was a pervasive pattern of such actions so that it wasn't plausible that it was an honest mistake.

    My take is that, given the pervasiveness of the pattern and the fact that no one bothered to investigate before, fraud of this nature was probably customary in the corrupt and sleazy world of New York property development. Trump was doing what was normal in that world and there are probably many people still quietly doing it and getting away with it. This makes it extremely likely that his prosecution is politically motivated.

    But so what?

    Is it better to let such corruption stand? His political fame almost inevitably brought the spotlight onto his business dealings. People were going to find all of his dirt, which they otherwise would not have done had he not stepped into the political arena. Maybe there is no place in politics for people with that kind of dirt? Politics is already dirty and unsavory, even without the pervasive business corruption that Trump brings to the table.

    Maybe people whose business model involves pervasive corruption, or who have a trail or prostitutes (the Democrat Attorney General who was flirting with the idea of becoming New York governor until he was exposed), or who sexually proposition underage girls (democrat Anthony Weiner) should just stay clear of politics, lest their activities be exposed. It's a symptom of the ongoing degradation of society that this stuff is becoming normalized. I'm sure if it happened today, the New York DA with the prostitute problem (I've forgotten his name) would be lauded as sex positive and his prostitute celebrated as a brave sex worker.


    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars.
     
    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden's aid enables.

    Given Ukraine nothing will turn it into a very long and much bloodier Forever War involving urban combat and guerilla warfare and insurrection as in Iraq, all over Ukrainian territory, with 10+ million refugees if not over 20 million.


    There is NO reason to believe that Trump’s 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.
     
    Trump gave lethal aid when Obama had refused. Trump without hesitation had killed hundreds of Wagner troops in Syria, the first time Americans had killed Russian directly and openly. Biden would not have had the balls to do that.

    I doubt that Putin would have dared to invade Ukraine if Trump were president. Trump's reaction would have been too unpredictable. The current line that Trump is Putin's poodle and will do what Putin wants may be akin to the Russia collusion hoax. But, it is true that a horde of MAGAtard grifters that try to feed off Trump's scraps are almost all contrarian and pro-Putin.* These morons probably on some level believe that Russia collusion was true, and support it. Trump may not care much about the issues, and may let some of them into his administration where they could determine Russia policy. So his presidency is a risk for Ukraine, more risky than Biden's but potentially much better.

    Trump: "Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back" He said it could be at zero percent interest. As I wrote elsewhere, this will give America motivation to make sure Ukraine wins: otherwise it won't get the loan back. Earlier Trump had said that he would force peace quickly by offering a compromise, and either cutting off Ukraine if it wouldn't accept or giving Ukraine maximum weapons if Russia wouldn't accept. Which would be more likely?

    *This reminds me of the Covid vaccine. Trump's amazing Operation Warp Speed delivered it in record time, and he is proud of it. But the MAGAtard followers usually hate it anyways.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

  544. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.
     
    Remember Stalin’s show trials of 1930s? That’s exactly the level of “justice” in the US since it was hijacked by libtards. The only difference is that, unlike Stalin’s accused, Trump does not cooperate.

    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable? It’s not just sad, it’s a tragedy. In practical terms it’s an ongoing suicide of the US.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable? It’s not just sad, it’s a tragedy. In practical terms it’s an ongoing suicide of the US.

    In the dark times before Trump the two parties were dominated by “racial spoils” and “corporatism”. Both were hostile to the American worker.

    MAGA is the way out of the ongoing U.S. suicide. It provides a Populist vehicle for American workers. Plus, traditional Judeo-Christian values.

    The Democrat party opposition is now “Islamophile progressive corporatism”.

      

    Who wants to be on the DNC side with these crazies?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    On the one hand, I don’t want to discourage your optimism. In my profession, experimental science, you must be an optimist to achieve anything worth achieving.

    On the other hand, Trump’s first term does not give me any grounds for optimism. The US got onto slippery slope more than 30 years ago. Economically with massive relocation by greedy fat cats of production to China, Mexico, and other places with cheap workforce. Politically with wars started on the basis of blatant lies, such as Serbia or Iraq. BTW, your beloved Israel egged on the US to invade Iraq. The morons did not understand that Saddam was their best possible firewall against Iran.

    Anyway, I will vote for Trump. Not because I have high hopes for him. Simply because corrupt Alzheimer’s patient is a disgrace. Not only for the US, but for the very idea of presidential republic.

    I gave a lot to this country, and I hate to see it driven into the ground. I saw one empire dying, so I know the signs.

  545. @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    You think it is more likely that I am just making it up?
     
    It’s no longer about what I think, it’s about what I’ve proven.

    It wouldn’t have made any difference for the core of the matter if Trump’s conviction would have involved adding floors to his Vegas tower or not. You just decided to make a false statement and

    What is the false statement?

    Here is a news source on it:
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-team-inflating-building-size-defense-40-wall-street-1843579

    Trump's lawyers also presented a slide claiming the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada, is 64 stories tall.

    But Alexander noted that an architectural drawing shows the floor numbers jumping from what appears to be the 8th level to the 16th, allowing the top floor to be numbered 64.

    Took me an entire 5 minutes to find.

    Your orange felon is the one who makes stuff up like adding floors to a building and then tries to hawk gaudy shoes after getting caught. He also added floors to his NY building which you didn't bother to investigate. You pathetically decided that JJ MUST BE LYING because this fine orange felon would only do such things for a few buildings.

    Do you just assume that everyone goes through life making stuff up? Do you assume society is just some grand game of lies? I've somehow made it through life without lying on loan applications or selling golden gaudy crap. Your hero....not so much.

    This is a good time to get off the Trump train. His followers last year told us that he would beat all of these charges. He didn't and it was worse than anyone expected. In fact there is a new potential tax fraud case pending from this investigation. Just stop already.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Took me an entire 5 minutes to find.

    That’s much more than it had taken me, which is why I knew from the beginning that you are confusing what some leftists media outlets reported on the show trial for people like you with what the accusations really were.

    Contrary to your silly statements, there was never any fraud in Las Vegas, which is why it was not used in this trial, as I proved. Trump’s lawyers showing a drawing of the Las Vegas Trump International with the last floor marked 64 is NOT fraud, you dummy. You fell hook, line and sinker for what the lying MSM like Newsweek told you about the trial.

    As it happens, I have stayed at the Trump International and it does have a 64th floor, even though the number of actual stories is reportedly lower. That is totally normal practice for hotels. Last week I stayed in room 1418 of a totally different hotel, even though it has less than 300 hundred rooms.

    The Trump International Hotel Las Vegas is a 64-story hotel, condominium, and timeshare located on Fashion Show Drive in Paradise, Nevada

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Hotel_Las_Vegas

    How can people be so hopelessly gullible and defend the conviction of their ex-president for a drawing that shows how floors in a hotel are numbered?

    If you have done any travel at all, you have also stayed at hotels that mark floors and room numbers in a way to make them look more grandiose than they are. But you are unable to realize that that drawing didn’t involve any fraud and that it was never used by the judge.

    So, again, where is the Las Vegas fraud? Where is the judge in this case leaving that fraud out for lack of jurisdiction or in order to expedite the ruling? Do you admit that you made that all up in order to defend the MSM lie that you believed or are you going to carry on exposing your foolishness?

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Just imagine the frustration these dumb schmucks were seething with when they could not take him out with the "grab them by the pussy" business. It is funny. When I was a child they used to make me and my classmates recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

    https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/presto/2018/10/10/USAT/3df3d26f-15bf-4459-b64f-a534a8ffb084-a01_scouts_1012.JPG

    It was quite a shock the first time I found a Nietzsche book.

  546. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Took me an entire 5 minutes to find.
     
    That's much more than it had taken me, which is why I knew from the beginning that you are confusing what some leftists media outlets reported on the show trial for people like you with what the accusations really were.

    Contrary to your silly statements, there was never any fraud in Las Vegas, which is why it was not used in this trial, as I proved. Trump's lawyers showing a drawing of the Las Vegas Trump International with the last floor marked 64 is NOT fraud, you dummy. You fell hook, line and sinker for what the lying MSM like Newsweek told you about the trial.

    As it happens, I have stayed at the Trump International and it does have a 64th floor, even though the number of actual stories is reportedly lower. That is totally normal practice for hotels. Last week I stayed in room 1418 of a totally different hotel, even though it has less than 300 hundred rooms.


    The Trump International Hotel Las Vegas is a 64-story hotel, condominium, and timeshare located on Fashion Show Drive in Paradise, Nevada
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Hotel_Las_Vegas

    How can people be so hopelessly gullible and defend the conviction of their ex-president for a drawing that shows how floors in a hotel are numbered?

    If you have done any travel at all, you have also stayed at hotels that mark floors and room numbers in a way to make them look more grandiose than they are. But you are unable to realize that that drawing didn't involve any fraud and that it was never used by the judge.

    So, again, where is the Las Vegas fraud? Where is the judge in this case leaving that fraud out for lack of jurisdiction or in order to expedite the ruling? Do you admit that you made that all up in order to defend the MSM lie that you believed or are you going to carry on exposing your foolishness?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Just imagine the frustration these dumb schmucks were seething with when they could not take him out with the “grab them by the pussy” business. It is funny. When I was a child they used to make me and my classmates recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

    It was quite a shock the first time I found a Nietzsche book.

  547. @Mikel
    @AP


    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.
     
    I wouldn't be convicted of fraud for that in a million years. The bank would triple-check the veracity of my claims and approve or decline the loan based solely on their findings. A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.

    That's the only issue worth debating here. The rest is you guys playing the role you accuse Tucker of playing with Putin. But for real.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I wouldn’t be convicted of fraud for that in a million years.

    Probably. But would it be fraud or not? If you told the bank that your farm was 3 times larger than it actually was, for the purpose of getting a larger loan than you would have gotten?

    The bank would triple-check the veracity of my claims and approve or decline the loan based solely on their findings.

    Probably. And what if they failed to find that you were defrauding them and you got away with it? Or what if they had a relationship with you and looked the other way, knowing that you would pay off the loan anyways? Corrupt sweetheart deals aren’t uncommon, I assume. But what may be informally acceptable in the shady world of New York property development may, for the beneficiaries of such corruption, be more dangerous and likely to be exposed when its practitioners go into national politics.

    A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.

    The corruption and double standards can go both ways. Maybe a regular citizen or small-time landlord would not have been able to get away with obtaining loans based on fraud as Trump was able to do over the years in corrupt New York.

    Your line of reasoning seems to suggest that if someone becomes politically relevant they should be immune to prosecution for fraud even if they actually did it, because of the likelihood that the prosecution may be politically motivated. Well, the solution to that would be to grant immunity from prosecution for any political candidate or holder of public office. This is how it was done in Ukraine. The result was that all sorts of criminals ran for public office, being motivated by the desire for immunity from prosecution. Political campaigns were good investments for their ill-gotten gains. The Donald Trump phenomenon really is the post-Sovietization of American politics. He’s our Fico, Yanukovich, Poroshenko, or Orban.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    Probably. But would it be fraud or not?
     
    The question is not whether a politically motivated AG who campaigned on the promise to convict Trump could possibly find some statute somewhere to enact her political revenge. I don't have the slightest interest in debating if this sham trial has found some such regulation or not. It's irrelevant.

    I think it was the Romans who developed the concept of equality under the law. Even a society that practiced wholesale slavery understood that this principle is not only just but also practical to maintain social peace. If the existing laws are applied arbitrarily people lose all trust in the political/judicial system and chaos ensues. This is what is happening right now with many people in the US.

    It's extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution. She's clearly making it more corrupt by applying the law according to her political animosities.

    I understand why you want Nikki to be the nominee, you've explained it very clearly. I would have also preferred DeSantis or Vivek to win the race but not at any cost. Whatever the advantages of one candidate over another (probably not many), it's insane to destroy the basic principles of how a society functions.

    And, regardless of any political considerations, it must have been a very long time since you last applied for a loan or a mortgage because you sound rather clueless of how banks operate. They sure make you fill in your paperwork and declare all your income and assets but they would be crazy to base their credit decisions on that information. You don't really think that you can get a loan by just stating that your income is 3 times what it actually is, do you? Now, this is all compounded when we talk about business loans. I know how it works because I've seen it with my own eyes and there is a reason why banks very seldom lose money on business loans. You try to paint the most rosy picture of your business project that you can and then the bank accepts or declines your request based entirely on their own risk evaluation.

    I've even witnessed one of those rare occasions when a bank loses money with a business loan. It was some sort of a scam where the project was to build a lumber mill in rural Nicaragua. When everything was approved it turned out that the mill was located next to a forest considered sacred by the native tribe living nearby. It was impossible to build anything. My father's partners, who didn't have any idea about the tribe, also lost some collateral but even then I remember that the loses were not catastrophic for anyone. These international projects always involve some public guarantor. Besides, the bank made money on the part of the project where my father was involved.

    If prosecutors started convicting every person who gives inaccurate information in a loan application, the justice system would simply collapse from one day to the other, along with business operations. New York has just set a disastrous precedent that may cost the state a lot of money long term.

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke

  548. @A123
    @AP


    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.
     

    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application -- Would that be fraud? No.

    It needs a "material" fact that "impacts" the decision. The bank made their decision based on their farm size analysis, not the stated application acreage. The sloppy paperwork with the inadvertent error is thus "immaterial" as it did "not impact" the decision. Thus, no fraud exists.


    “After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid.
     
    So, there is no evidence of intent. Only "immaterial" paperwork issues that the lender did not rely on. Much like the farm example, there is no fraud in the generally accepted sense.

    NY law is different than the rest of the planet, so there is a tiny chance the verdict will not be overturned. However, even if appeals court lets the miscarriage of justice stand, they will have to reduce the fine to align with the trivial nature of the sloppy paperwork.

    Either way, making Trump into "the victim" is a blunder of epic proportions by the weaponized legal system. Every fake charge and obviously unfair proceeding increases his popularity. He remains comfortably ahead in 5 of the 7 swing states. And, the other 2 are effectively tied.


    There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration
     
    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars. The rabid administration of Not-The-President Biden was the optimum case that Kiev aggression could hope for. There is NO reason to believe that Trump's 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.

    That being said, politics is an imperfect art. Senate RINO's could trade another issue to obtain some funding for Ukraine. It is hard to predict what DC critters, like Lindsey Graham, will do.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikel, @AP

    The bank made their decision based on their farm size analysis, not the stated application acreage.

    Imagine banks reporting loan applicants to the authorities for fraud every time they find them embellishing their financial solvency in the loan forms. That’s the world the Nikki supporters here want us to live in.

    there is a tiny chance the verdict will not be overturned

    The appeals court will be staffed by other NY judges so most likely they’ll hold the conviction though, as you say, it will be surprising if they don’t reduce the scandalous fine of almost half a billion dollars, if only for appearance purposes. But once again, it looks like the matter will have to go to the Supreme Court. They’re just fabricating a big constitutional crisis with all these sham trials but they don’t seem to care at all. It’s a no holds barred fight against their hated political opponent like I don’t think the US has seen in generations.

  549. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable? It’s not just sad, it’s a tragedy. In practical terms it’s an ongoing suicide of the US.
     
    In the dark times before Trump the two parties were dominated by "racial spoils" and "corporatism". Both were hostile to the American worker.

    MAGA is the way out of the ongoing U.S. suicide. It provides a Populist vehicle for American workers. Plus, traditional Judeo-Christian values.

    The Democrat party opposition is now "Islamophile progressive corporatism".

     
    https://www.out.tv/assets/Nieuws/Muslim-Pride__ScaleMaxWidthWzE5MjBd_ScaleMaxHeightWzEwODBd.jpg
     

    Who wants to be on the DNC side with these crazies?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    On the one hand, I don’t want to discourage your optimism. In my profession, experimental science, you must be an optimist to achieve anything worth achieving.

    On the other hand, Trump’s first term does not give me any grounds for optimism. The US got onto slippery slope more than 30 years ago. Economically with massive relocation by greedy fat cats of production to China, Mexico, and other places with cheap workforce. Politically with wars started on the basis of blatant lies, such as Serbia or Iraq. BTW, your beloved Israel egged on the US to invade Iraq. The morons did not understand that Saddam was their best possible firewall against Iran.

    Anyway, I will vote for Trump. Not because I have high hopes for him. Simply because corrupt Alzheimer’s patient is a disgrace. Not only for the US, but for the very idea of presidential republic.

    I gave a lot to this country, and I hate to see it driven into the ground. I saw one empire dying, so I know the signs.

  550. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    I wish the lines were given ethnographic names like Bantoid. Interestingly, one seems to be a reference to gays and AIDS.
     
    When I saw the story my initial thought that one of the lines names should have been Adolf Hitler, it just seemed to fit.

    On reflection my line up for the names of the six lines would be:

    Windrush
    Adolf Hitler
    Bantoid
    Lionesses
    Weaver
    Paul Morand (or possibly Pygmy)

    Bantoid is a strong idea so I have included it. Paul Morand is a French author who was critical of the negrophile movement in France between the wars. Pygmy is a possible alternative, if people think there would be too many things named after Paul Morand if the line was given that name.

    I don't think my proposed names need a lot of explanation, imo it would be easier for Sadiq Khan to avoid accusations of politicising the line names if he adopted less controversial options like these.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    The Oswald Mosley line. 🙂

    I’d ride that every day. 🙂

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW

    I think there is a sort-of-hidden connection between the Suffragette line and Sir Oswald.

    Suffragettes were the radical wing of the women's suffrage movement who accepted the need for violent direct action and later a number of the leading members joined the BUF and ran its female section Apart from votes for women they seem to have had some other interests relating to the health of the race and things like that.

    Now I am wondering if any of them were readers of Georges Sorel's famous book 'Reflections on Violence', T.E. Hulme translated it into English around 1913, he was an interesting guy as well.

    Have you come across Mosley's wife, Diana?:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Mosley

    Replies: @LatW

  551. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.
     
    Remember Stalin’s show trials of 1930s? That’s exactly the level of “justice” in the US since it was hijacked by libtards. The only difference is that, unlike Stalin’s accused, Trump does not cooperate.

    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable? It’s not just sad, it’s a tragedy. In practical terms it’s an ongoing suicide of the US.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    Remember Stalin’s show trials of 1930s? That’s exactly the level of “justice” in the US since it was hijacked by libtards. The only difference is that, unlike Stalin’s accused, Trump does not cooperate.

    Those were fake trials with invented crimes and the accused were executed. No comparison to this sleazy real estate scumlord that seems unable to fill out a loan application honestly even though he is a billionaire .

    Trump never denied overvaluing his properties and his main argument was that he should get away with it because the loans were paid back. It’s not fraud if everyone is fine with the outcome. Well the law doesn’t work that way.

    But think of a bigger picture: how low the US political landscape must has fallen for someone like Trump to look the most reasonable?

    Definitely a low landscape which is why both of them should quit. We should not have to pick between this sleezy real estate slumlord and Biden who seems barely able to stand in front of a microphone.

  552. @A123
    @AP


    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.
     

    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application -- Would that be fraud? No.

    It needs a "material" fact that "impacts" the decision. The bank made their decision based on their farm size analysis, not the stated application acreage. The sloppy paperwork with the inadvertent error is thus "immaterial" as it did "not impact" the decision. Thus, no fraud exists.


    “After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid.
     
    So, there is no evidence of intent. Only "immaterial" paperwork issues that the lender did not rely on. Much like the farm example, there is no fraud in the generally accepted sense.

    NY law is different than the rest of the planet, so there is a tiny chance the verdict will not be overturned. However, even if appeals court lets the miscarriage of justice stand, they will have to reduce the fine to align with the trivial nature of the sloppy paperwork.

    Either way, making Trump into "the victim" is a blunder of epic proportions by the weaponized legal system. Every fake charge and obviously unfair proceeding increases his popularity. He remains comfortably ahead in 5 of the 7 swing states. And, the other 2 are effectively tied.


    There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration
     
    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars. The rabid administration of Not-The-President Biden was the optimum case that Kiev aggression could hope for. There is NO reason to believe that Trump's 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.

    That being said, politics is an imperfect art. Senate RINO's could trade another issue to obtain some funding for Ukraine. It is hard to predict what DC critters, like Lindsey Graham, will do.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikel, @AP

    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application — Would that be fraud? No.

    I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know. It seems to me that if the bank made its decision based on its own evaluation of the land records it did not base its decision on the applicants fraud, although the applicant may have committed fraud (or attempted fraud) by providing the wrong figure.

    In Trump’s case, the judge stated that there was a pervasive pattern of such actions so that it wasn’t plausible that it was an honest mistake.

    My take is that, given the pervasiveness of the pattern and the fact that no one bothered to investigate before, fraud of this nature was probably customary in the corrupt and sleazy world of New York property development. Trump was doing what was normal in that world and there are probably many people still quietly doing it and getting away with it. This makes it extremely likely that his prosecution is politically motivated.

    But so what?

    Is it better to let such corruption stand? His political fame almost inevitably brought the spotlight onto his business dealings. People were going to find all of his dirt, which they otherwise would not have done had he not stepped into the political arena. Maybe there is no place in politics for people with that kind of dirt? Politics is already dirty and unsavory, even without the pervasive business corruption that Trump brings to the table.

    Maybe people whose business model involves pervasive corruption, or who have a trail or prostitutes (the Democrat Attorney General who was flirting with the idea of becoming New York governor until he was exposed), or who sexually proposition underage girls (democrat Anthony Weiner) should just stay clear of politics, lest their activities be exposed. It’s a symptom of the ongoing degradation of society that this stuff is becoming normalized. I’m sure if it happened today, the New York DA with the prostitute problem (I’ve forgotten his name) would be lauded as sex positive and his prostitute celebrated as a brave sex worker.

    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars.

    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.

    Given Ukraine nothing will turn it into a very long and much bloodier Forever War involving urban combat and guerilla warfare and insurrection as in Iraq, all over Ukrainian territory, with 10+ million refugees if not over 20 million.

    There is NO reason to believe that Trump’s 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.

    Trump gave lethal aid when Obama had refused. Trump without hesitation had killed hundreds of Wagner troops in Syria, the first time Americans had killed Russian directly and openly. Biden would not have had the balls to do that.

    I doubt that Putin would have dared to invade Ukraine if Trump were president. Trump’s reaction would have been too unpredictable. The current line that Trump is Putin’s poodle and will do what Putin wants may be akin to the Russia collusion hoax. But, it is true that a horde of MAGAtard grifters that try to feed off Trump’s scraps are almost all contrarian and pro-Putin.* These morons probably on some level believe that Russia collusion was true, and support it. Trump may not care much about the issues, and may let some of them into his administration where they could determine Russia policy. So his presidency is a risk for Ukraine, more risky than Biden’s but potentially much better.

    Trump: “Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back” He said it could be at zero percent interest. As I wrote elsewhere, this will give America motivation to make sure Ukraine wins: otherwise it won’t get the loan back. Earlier Trump had said that he would force peace quickly by offering a compromise, and either cutting off Ukraine if it wouldn’t accept or giving Ukraine maximum weapons if Russia wouldn’t accept. Which would be more likely?

    *This reminds me of the Covid vaccine. Trump’s amazing Operation Warp Speed delivered it in record time, and he is proud of it. But the MAGAtard followers usually hate it anyways.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP


    In Trump’s case, the judge stated that there was a pervasive pattern of such actions so that it wasn’t plausible that it was an honest mistake.
     
    The corrupt judge Arthur Engoron maliciously accepted an obviously fake valuation of Mar-a-Lago as part of fabricating a false verdict in the case. Why do you believe this fraudulent, lying individual?

    Is it better to let Engoron's election interference and insurrection stand? His openly illegal handling of this political case almost inevitably brought the spotlight onto his judicial misconduct. Politics is already dirty and unsavory, even without the pervasive judicial corruption that Leftoid prosecutors and judges bring to the table.



    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars.
     
    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.
     
    Russia believes it is an existential fight for survival. What makes you think there is any amount of assistance that would work?

    To me, it seems certain that Russia would go full strategic thermonuclear rather than submit to European Empire aggression. They sincerely believe that Merkel, Scholz, and Macron want to capture Moscow by intrigue, or if necessary by force. Even if you think I am likely wrong, you are flirting with insanity by willingly accepting thermonuclear tail risk.

    Zelensky remains unwilling to negotiate, because foreign governments are footing the bill for his intransigence. The quickest path to peace is limiting misguided assistance, so Kiev leadership negotiates in good faith. It will not drag on for years once they accept the reality that there is 0% chance of military success.


    Trump gave lethal aid when Obama had refused.
     
    Trump was being investigated for impeachment and needed to keep at least 34 Senators on-side. He had to do something to impede the "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth.

    There was one and only one package over $100MM, and it was date synched to a Putin election win. It is blindingly obvious that the bill went through purely for domestic political reasons.


    Trump: “Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back” He said it could be at zero percent interest
     
    Trump is known for giving spectacular one-liners to control the Fake Stream Media. That "loan" zinger sounds like a throwaway line, not a serious policy. Do you really think Trump would burn precious political capital to get such a lend-lease program thru the House & Senate? Especially when it would harm his goal of rapprochement with Russia.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Here’s the Thing about Trump supporters.

    They are the lumpen white population.

    They do not really care much about Putin being Putin.

    Biden’s crew are niggers Jews and liberal whites. Fags and Queers.

    They do want Putin gone and cynically tried to get virile Ukie men to fight Putin.


    There is a subtext to ww2 that doesn’t get a mention. A lot of senior western officers and politicians were child rapists and poofs. They tricked ordinary white men into fighting in places like North Africa etc. Call it the Noel Coward factor. Or Gay Mafia.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.
     
    Can't Russia escalate its own commitment to Ukraine in such a scenario, though, such as by spending 25+% of Russian GDP on this war?

    I doubt that Putin would have dared to invade Ukraine if Trump were president. Trump’s reaction would have been too unpredictable.
     
    Hard to say. On one hand, this is very possible, but on the other hand, there could be a bigger fear on Putin's part that Trump will do something very crazy like stationing US nuclear missiles in Ukraine, which could make Putin even more motivated to invade Ukraine than he was in real life. (It was hard to imagine Biden realistically placing nuclear missiles in Ukraine. In real life, Putin's invasion of Ukraine was primarily meant to secure extra people and resources for Russia, though also possibly to prevent a long-term risk of a future, more hawkish US President placing nuclear missiles in Ukraine or something similar.)

    Trump: “Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back” He said it could be at zero percent interest. As I wrote elsewhere, this will give America motivation to make sure Ukraine wins: otherwise it won’t get the loan back. Earlier Trump had said that he would force peace quickly by offering a compromise, and either cutting off Ukraine if it wouldn’t accept or giving Ukraine maximum weapons if Russia wouldn’t accept. Which would be more likely?
     
    Yep, I saw that:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-15/trump-pushes-ukraine-aid-as-a-loan-with-funding-bill-deadlocked

    But can't Ukraine pay back the loan even if the current front line will hold and the Ukraine War will devolve into a frozen conflict? 90% of Ukraine would still be in Ukrainian hands, after all.

    Replies: @AP

  553. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Navalny violated that law
     
    I'd have to look at what exactly you're referring to. I'm not sure his organization (the media outlet that exposed various corruption schemes) was entirely run by Western funding - I think a large chunk of that is funded by Russian liberals. Of course, Russian liberals is a slippery term as well - there is a difference between the likes of Khodorkovsky and other, less controversial homegrown ones.

    Besides, there have been many over the years who have received some Western funding. But they have not become as prominent. Also, Navalny was persecuted for a long time now - in line with the time frame corresponding to Russia's further slipping into totalitarianism. To drive a person into death merely because he got a bit of Western funding years ago? No. He was killed because of his political clout. And as intimidation - to show what Putin is able to do to everyone who lives in Russia - with impunity.

    And the very fact that a "penal colony in the North" even exists in 2024 - that alone is a fact that should've made everyone think, years ago. Yet these things have been ignored.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    And the very fact that a “penal colony in the North” even exists in 2024 – that alone is a fact should’ve made everyone think years ago

    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you dumb f*ckup. As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies also you retarded bag of shit.

    Vorkuta and of course Norilsk, Murmansk are a lot bigger in populations than most towns and cities in the Baltics.
    We are the only countries out of the 7 in the Arctic circle to have large town/city there – which says everything about greatness of Russian world.
    The very few Scandinavian large settlements are in completely non-arctic climates you dumb prick.

    LMAO – our ships have been navigating through the Arctic for a few centuries…… Baltics reject earthworm idiots couldn’t build ANY navy over the centuries off their far more temperate coast. Until Russians and Germans made it for them – Baltic earthworm rejects had NO civilisation. More Russians are in Arctic than entire population of Estonia, or half of whatever non-entity country human garbage like you is from is called.

    The level of useless f*ckhead cretinism to make you moron post……. as the Baltic shitholes & Poland have hosted CIA torture camps from their wars in the Middle East – is shocking. As is the deranged scumbag disorder required to make lies on Russia – as Estonia and Latvia have the worst human rights on the planet.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you . As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies
     
    No, in 2024, you wreck everything everywhere you go. And leave ruins and burned bodies. Anything good that you have ever created is immediately canceled out by this.

    Keep demonstrating to the whole world what despicable creatures you are that have to constantly self-congratulate and boast. I have been to several Arctic cities - including in Norway, that were in excellent shape.

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony in the Arctic together with the worst types of animals - mass murderers, etc. The biggest question is why so many of you are incarcerated and for such crimes.

    Nobody wants you. Losers like MAGA will talk a big talk and praise you, but will never live there with you. You will remain alone. You will die alone.

    And don't even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @LT1488

    , @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you dumb f*ckup. As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies also you retarded bag of shit.

    So moving in random Asians and building 18th century style pit toilets counts as civilization?

    Putin to move 100,000 Asians to Donbas
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russians-bring-over-100000-asian-migrants-into-occupied-territories-of-ukraine/ar-AA1kJKfB

    Indoor Plumbing Still a Pipe Dream for 20% of Russian Households, Reports Say
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049

    HERE COME THE CIVILIZATION BUILDERS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsFBC4SRUiA

    ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE

    YOU'RE WELCOME

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  554. @AP
    @A123


    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application — Would that be fraud? No.
     
    I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. It seems to me that if the bank made its decision based on its own evaluation of the land records it did not base its decision on the applicants fraud, although the applicant may have committed fraud (or attempted fraud) by providing the wrong figure.

    In Trump's case, the judge stated that there was a pervasive pattern of such actions so that it wasn't plausible that it was an honest mistake.

    My take is that, given the pervasiveness of the pattern and the fact that no one bothered to investigate before, fraud of this nature was probably customary in the corrupt and sleazy world of New York property development. Trump was doing what was normal in that world and there are probably many people still quietly doing it and getting away with it. This makes it extremely likely that his prosecution is politically motivated.

    But so what?

    Is it better to let such corruption stand? His political fame almost inevitably brought the spotlight onto his business dealings. People were going to find all of his dirt, which they otherwise would not have done had he not stepped into the political arena. Maybe there is no place in politics for people with that kind of dirt? Politics is already dirty and unsavory, even without the pervasive business corruption that Trump brings to the table.

    Maybe people whose business model involves pervasive corruption, or who have a trail or prostitutes (the Democrat Attorney General who was flirting with the idea of becoming New York governor until he was exposed), or who sexually proposition underage girls (democrat Anthony Weiner) should just stay clear of politics, lest their activities be exposed. It's a symptom of the ongoing degradation of society that this stuff is becoming normalized. I'm sure if it happened today, the New York DA with the prostitute problem (I've forgotten his name) would be lauded as sex positive and his prostitute celebrated as a brave sex worker.


    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars.
     
    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden's aid enables.

    Given Ukraine nothing will turn it into a very long and much bloodier Forever War involving urban combat and guerilla warfare and insurrection as in Iraq, all over Ukrainian territory, with 10+ million refugees if not over 20 million.


    There is NO reason to believe that Trump’s 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.
     
    Trump gave lethal aid when Obama had refused. Trump without hesitation had killed hundreds of Wagner troops in Syria, the first time Americans had killed Russian directly and openly. Biden would not have had the balls to do that.

    I doubt that Putin would have dared to invade Ukraine if Trump were president. Trump's reaction would have been too unpredictable. The current line that Trump is Putin's poodle and will do what Putin wants may be akin to the Russia collusion hoax. But, it is true that a horde of MAGAtard grifters that try to feed off Trump's scraps are almost all contrarian and pro-Putin.* These morons probably on some level believe that Russia collusion was true, and support it. Trump may not care much about the issues, and may let some of them into his administration where they could determine Russia policy. So his presidency is a risk for Ukraine, more risky than Biden's but potentially much better.

    Trump: "Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back" He said it could be at zero percent interest. As I wrote elsewhere, this will give America motivation to make sure Ukraine wins: otherwise it won't get the loan back. Earlier Trump had said that he would force peace quickly by offering a compromise, and either cutting off Ukraine if it wouldn't accept or giving Ukraine maximum weapons if Russia wouldn't accept. Which would be more likely?

    *This reminds me of the Covid vaccine. Trump's amazing Operation Warp Speed delivered it in record time, and he is proud of it. But the MAGAtard followers usually hate it anyways.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    In Trump’s case, the judge stated that there was a pervasive pattern of such actions so that it wasn’t plausible that it was an honest mistake.

    The corrupt judge Arthur Engoron maliciously accepted an obviously fake valuation of Mar-a-Lago as part of fabricating a false verdict in the case. Why do you believe this fraudulent, lying individual?

    Is it better to let Engoron’s election interference and insurrection stand? His openly illegal handling of this political case almost inevitably brought the spotlight onto his judicial misconduct. Politics is already dirty and unsavory, even without the pervasive judicial corruption that Leftoid prosecutors and judges bring to the table.

    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars.

    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.

    Russia believes it is an existential fight for survival. What makes you think there is any amount of assistance that would work?

    To me, it seems certain that Russia would go full strategic thermonuclear rather than submit to European Empire aggression. They sincerely believe that Merkel, Scholz, and Macron want to capture Moscow by intrigue, or if necessary by force. Even if you think I am likely wrong, you are flirting with insanity by willingly accepting thermonuclear tail risk.

    Zelensky remains unwilling to negotiate, because foreign governments are footing the bill for his intransigence. The quickest path to peace is limiting misguided assistance, so Kiev leadership negotiates in good faith. It will not drag on for years once they accept the reality that there is 0% chance of military success.

    Trump gave lethal aid when Obama had refused.

    Trump was being investigated for impeachment and needed to keep at least 34 Senators on-side. He had to do something to impede the “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth.

    There was one and only one package over $100MM, and it was date synched to a Putin election win. It is blindingly obvious that the bill went through purely for domestic political reasons.

    Trump: “Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back” He said it could be at zero percent interest

    Trump is known for giving spectacular one-liners to control the Fake Stream Media. That “loan” zinger sounds like a throwaway line, not a serious policy. Do you really think Trump would burn precious political capital to get such a lend-lease program thru the House & Senate? Especially when it would harm his goal of rapprochement with Russia.

    PEACE 😇

  555. @AP
    @A123


    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application — Would that be fraud? No.
     
    I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. It seems to me that if the bank made its decision based on its own evaluation of the land records it did not base its decision on the applicants fraud, although the applicant may have committed fraud (or attempted fraud) by providing the wrong figure.

    In Trump's case, the judge stated that there was a pervasive pattern of such actions so that it wasn't plausible that it was an honest mistake.

    My take is that, given the pervasiveness of the pattern and the fact that no one bothered to investigate before, fraud of this nature was probably customary in the corrupt and sleazy world of New York property development. Trump was doing what was normal in that world and there are probably many people still quietly doing it and getting away with it. This makes it extremely likely that his prosecution is politically motivated.

    But so what?

    Is it better to let such corruption stand? His political fame almost inevitably brought the spotlight onto his business dealings. People were going to find all of his dirt, which they otherwise would not have done had he not stepped into the political arena. Maybe there is no place in politics for people with that kind of dirt? Politics is already dirty and unsavory, even without the pervasive business corruption that Trump brings to the table.

    Maybe people whose business model involves pervasive corruption, or who have a trail or prostitutes (the Democrat Attorney General who was flirting with the idea of becoming New York governor until he was exposed), or who sexually proposition underage girls (democrat Anthony Weiner) should just stay clear of politics, lest their activities be exposed. It's a symptom of the ongoing degradation of society that this stuff is becoming normalized. I'm sure if it happened today, the New York DA with the prostitute problem (I've forgotten his name) would be lauded as sex positive and his prostitute celebrated as a brave sex worker.


    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars.
     
    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden's aid enables.

    Given Ukraine nothing will turn it into a very long and much bloodier Forever War involving urban combat and guerilla warfare and insurrection as in Iraq, all over Ukrainian territory, with 10+ million refugees if not over 20 million.


    There is NO reason to believe that Trump’s 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.
     
    Trump gave lethal aid when Obama had refused. Trump without hesitation had killed hundreds of Wagner troops in Syria, the first time Americans had killed Russian directly and openly. Biden would not have had the balls to do that.

    I doubt that Putin would have dared to invade Ukraine if Trump were president. Trump's reaction would have been too unpredictable. The current line that Trump is Putin's poodle and will do what Putin wants may be akin to the Russia collusion hoax. But, it is true that a horde of MAGAtard grifters that try to feed off Trump's scraps are almost all contrarian and pro-Putin.* These morons probably on some level believe that Russia collusion was true, and support it. Trump may not care much about the issues, and may let some of them into his administration where they could determine Russia policy. So his presidency is a risk for Ukraine, more risky than Biden's but potentially much better.

    Trump: "Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back" He said it could be at zero percent interest. As I wrote elsewhere, this will give America motivation to make sure Ukraine wins: otherwise it won't get the loan back. Earlier Trump had said that he would force peace quickly by offering a compromise, and either cutting off Ukraine if it wouldn't accept or giving Ukraine maximum weapons if Russia wouldn't accept. Which would be more likely?

    *This reminds me of the Covid vaccine. Trump's amazing Operation Warp Speed delivered it in record time, and he is proud of it. But the MAGAtard followers usually hate it anyways.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    Here’s the Thing about Trump supporters.

    They are the lumpen white population.

    They do not really care much about Putin being Putin.

    Biden’s crew are niggers Jews and liberal whites. Fags and Queers.

    They do want Putin gone and cynically tried to get virile Ukie men to fight Putin.

    There is a subtext to ww2 that doesn’t get a mention. A lot of senior western officers and politicians were child rapists and poofs. They tricked ordinary white men into fighting in places like North Africa etc. Call it the Noel Coward factor. Or Gay Mafia.

  556. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I do view it as a significant injustice, similar to, say, the persecution of gays in Russia and some other parts of the world.
     
    It's not an injustice because there are potential victims on the other end or a party that suffers (mothers and children).

    It's also not comparable to homosexuality because that's typically between adults (although one can view it as a gradation or a transition into pedophilia, since homosexuals constantly talk about lowering the age of consent and of course they constantly lust after youths).

    That’s a bit drastic if other, less drastic harm-free options can satisfy oneself, no?
     
    How about neither castration (unless they've committed sex crimes), nor sex dolls, but maybe abstinence?

    There appear to be a lot of female teachers who prey on underage boys, so I’m unsure if it’s a predominantly male phenomenon.
     
    I'm pretty sure it's mostly men, and, no, there are not "a lot" of female teachers that "prey" on underage boys, male and female sexuality is different, very few women are real predators, very few. And we're talking about children here not teenagers. A very young female child is different than a teenage boy, you shouldn't lump these together (even if they are all innocent each in their own way).

    children aren’t actually being hurt by the production and distribution of child sex dolls
     
    Well, I already told you that the idea of innocence is being attacked, and the idea of what is normal and acceptable is being relativized (needlessly). Why should women and mothers especially have to see that? Don't you understand that this hurts women, psychologically, especially moms?

    By that logic, we might as well criminalize rape fantasy roleplaying between consenting adults because it might be insensitive and offensive to actual rape victims. Well, should we?
     
    No, because that's just roleplaying between adults. The images of assault on a female of course are not good (although some adults enjoy those types of fantasies), but this is not as bad as an assault on a child or normalizing the idea of a child as something sexual.

    I thought that one of the biggest arguments in favor of legalizing homosexuality in the West in the past was that gay people should also be entitled to a satisfactory sex life, especially since they are not harming anyone?
     
    They sometimes harm each other, they are often careless and they sometimes have unhealthy types of sex. They have substance abuse problems. Don't you know the whole truth about homosexuals? Not to denigrate them, but to simply know the full truth about their "lifestyle". So something that you call "satisfactory sex life" is actually a very broad concept. Some people may never be satisfied.

    Well, from our experience with gay people, when society has told them to suppress their sexuality, it often tended not to work very well and instead resulted in depression, suicide attempts, and the like.

     

    We don't know if those things were caused by "society suppressing" them or by something intrinsic in their sexuality, in their relationships or self-image. It might be that those types of relationships and that type of sexual interest is inherently unstable. Gays are accepted now, but did they stop having these dysfunctions? No. They are internally restless. The flamboyant gays also have a lot of self image problems since they simultaneously obsess over their appearance and being sexually desirable and yet they also have a striving to act "like men", this makes them restless and "never satisfied" (probably presents internal contradictions). They can also be jealous of straight women. All of this causes psychological problems. Some basic tolerance is ok, but don't let them dance on your head (the way they do in some places).

    Children wouldn’t actually be traumatized by this, after all.
     

    Our job is to keep children out of harm's way at all times, including and especially when the children themselves are not aware of this harm or do not fully understand it. Also, keep unneeded information and stimulation that can be confusing away from them.

    I wouldn’t be traumatized if some pedophile found the 12-year-old me attractive (even up to the point of them making a child sex doll replica of myself) but never did anything sexual with me or harmed me in any way, for instance.
     
    Most parents would be totally not ok with this (with a 12 year old, much less even younger). Most children are not even aware of anything like what you mention. You're a child at 12, and you don't get to make those kinds of conclusions, those will be made for you by the parents. Children can be free, but they should be protected first.

    I have recently viewed some hott photos of Liz Hurley.
     
    Oh... ok... hahaha.

    I retained my race realist views
     
    Hm, I've noticed you taking some liberties with your "race realist" views, or maybe your views are only limited to admitting the IQ differences. As to immigration into the US, it might be viewed differently (more liberally) than immigration into indigenous European nations (that have deeper roots), although I would never impose that view upon the US.

    The Russian Empire was a nest of Great Russian chauvinism, which the current war has demonstrated is a very, very bad concept.
     
    Totally, and that was known by some of us already before the war. It is totally insane. Especially given that their human capital is not even all that.

    That could be interesting, though I personally prefer republics.
     
    Even if they kept the Empire, it would've eventually crumbled under the reforms.

    I’ve even developed a good and plausible (for contemporary audiences) excuse to justify killing Lenin in 1916: I’ve had an omen of a revolution occurring in Russia soon and I want to reunify the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks in order to reduce the risk of counterrevolutionaries crushing this revolution (since a divided revolutionary movement makes it easier for counterrevolutionaries to subsequently crush and destroy it), and since Lenin was an extraordinarily massive obstacle to such a (Bolshevik-Menshevik) reunification, I unfortunately had to get rid of him via assassination.
     
    Hahaha, that is quite intelligent, although a bit wishful, imo. But it is true that Lenin was very uncompromising, the question though is whether, even without him, the class differences and the class bias that the Bolsheviks had could be overcome. The differences in outlook were quite considerable, principal differences, in fact. These things must have been exacerbated by the war (as it radicalized people). Btw, there was a good moment to assassinate Lenin - when he was hiding in Finland, he only had that one Finnish guy guarding him (although it may have been difficult to find him in the woods).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    It’s not an injustice because there are potential victims on the other end or a party that suffers (mothers and children).

    I really don’t consider people who merely have hurt feelings to be “victims”.

    You have to keep in mind that I’m talking about those pedophiles who are virtuous–as in, those who permanently limit themselves to child sex dolls/robots and cartoon/animated child porn without ever touching any actual child porn and especially without ever harming any actual children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuous_Pedophiles

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    It’s also not comparable to homosexuality because that’s typically between adults (although one can view it as a gradation or a transition into pedophilia, since homosexuals constantly talk about lowering the age of consent and of course they constantly lust after youths).

    Yes, but this involves an adult and a sex doll/robot, which is an inanimate object (and thus does not have its own interests). Not comparable to an adult having sex with an actual child.

    If there was an overabundance of adults with an extremely childlike appearance who were willing to have consensual sex with pedophiles and there was also a successful cure to aging, then we wouldn’t need to be having this debate. But such adults (such as the woman in the video in my post above) are unfortunately extremely rare, so pedophiles (and hebephiles) need to satisfy themselves with dolls/robots instead.

    How about neither castration (unless they’ve committed sex crimes), nor sex dolls, but maybe abstinence?

    Abstinence is very hard to do when you aren’t asexual and can’t even fuck any sex doll/robot that you find attractive. And you presumably also want to deny them animated/cartoon child porn images for them to fap to, right?

    I’m pretty sure it’s mostly men, and, no, there are not “a lot” of female teachers that “prey” on underage boys, male and female sexuality is different, very few women are real predators, very few. And we’re talking about children here not teenagers. A very young female child is different than a teenage boy, you shouldn’t lump these together (even if they are all innocent each in their own way).

    Yeah, fair enough, but even if pedophiles are mostly men, I’m still interested in securing a good quality of life for those of them who don’t seek to ever harm anyone else.

    Well, I already told you that the idea of innocence is being attacked, and the idea of what is normal and acceptable is being relativized (needlessly). Why should women and mothers especially have to see that? Don’t you understand that this hurts women, psychologically, especially moms?

    Frankly, women/moms having hurt feelings strikes me as being less of an injustice than denying a satisfactory harm-free sex life to pedophiles.

    As for attacking innocence, if someone faps to this photo, then they are also undermining this child’s innocence, are they not?

    (That’s Desmond Napoles, a former child drag queen.)

    But even so, I don’t see why exactly someone should actually be arrested for fapping to this photo or to a similar (fully clothed) photo regardless of just how distasteful this activity might be.

    No, because that’s just roleplaying between adults. The images of assault on a female of course are not good (although some adults enjoy those types of fantasies), but this is not as bad as an assault on a child or normalizing the idea of a child as something sexual.

    What are your thoughts on ageplay between consenting adults where one of the adults has an extremely childlike appearance and dresses and acts like a child and where this ageplay is also combined with rape fantasy roleplaying so that the other adult is pretending to rape the adult who looks and acts like a child for their own sexual pleasure? Should that be illegal?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageplay#:~:text=Ageplay%20or%20age%20play%20is,necessarily%20sexual%2C%20but%20can%20be.

    They sometimes harm each other, they are often careless and they sometimes have unhealthy types of sex. They have substance abuse problems. Don’t you know the whole truth about homosexuals? Not to denigrate them, but to simply know the full truth about their “lifestyle”. So something that you call “satisfactory sex life” is actually a very broad concept. Some people may never be satisfied.

    I’m unsure if their substance abuse problems are actually related to their homosexuality, as opposed to things such as homophobia. The main problem for them is the massive STD risk increase from anal sex, but now there appears to be a pill that reduces the risk of this to almost zero if taken daily.

    We don’t know if those things were caused by “society suppressing” them or by something intrinsic in their sexuality, in their relationships or self-image. It might be that those types of relationships and that type of sexual interest is inherently unstable. Gays are accepted now, but did they stop having these dysfunctions? No. They are internally restless. The flamboyant gays also have a lot of self image problems since they simultaneously obsess over their appearance and being sexually desirable and yet they also have a striving to act “like men”, this makes them restless and “never satisfied” (probably presents internal contradictions). They can also be jealous of straight women. All of this causes psychological problems. Some basic tolerance is ok, but don’t let them dance on your head (the way they do in some places).

    Fair points, but I still suspect that gay people are much more happy and fulfilled in the West, in spite of any problems that they still have, than they are in more homophobic countries such as Russia, let alone, say, Uganda.

    Our job is to keep children out of harm’s way at all times, including and especially when the children themselves are not aware of this harm or do not fully understand it. Also, keep unneeded information and stimulation that can be confusing away from them.

    Fucking a child sex doll is far from guaranteed to actually result in the subsequent harm of a child. If anything, there’s a chance that it might even make actual children safer.

    Most parents would be totally not ok with this (with a 12 year old, much less even younger). Most children are not even aware of anything like what you mention. You’re a child at 12, and you don’t get to make those kinds of conclusions, those will be made for you by the parents. Children can be free, but they should be protected first.

    Well, there is the option of creating a generic child sex doll/robot that isn’t modeled on any specific child in particular.

    Oh… ok… hahaha.

    Yeah, she is rather tasty:

    Have you yourself ever been into lesbianism, if you don’t mind me asking?

    Hm, I’ve noticed you taking some liberties with your “race realist” views, or maybe your views are only limited to admitting the IQ differences. As to immigration into the US, it might be viewed differently (more liberally) than immigration into indigenous European nations (that have deeper roots), although I would never impose that view upon the US.

    Well, with the US, we get better immigrants than Europe gets. We get a lot more cognitive elites, and working-class Latin Americans are better than working-class Muslims (less radicalism):

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/immigration.html

    Europe’s immigration patterns would be more-or-less OK if it wasn’t for the Muslim world and Sub-Saharan Africa (excluding the non-blacks who move to Europe from there, of course), though:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2024/02/fiscal-impact-of-immigrants-by-country-of-origin/

    Totally, and that was known by some of us already before the war. It is totally insane. Especially given that their human capital is not even all that.

    Yeah, Russian nationalism repels elite human capital, unlike moderate Ukrainian nationalism (or European nationalism, for that matter), which attracts elite human capital.

    Even if they kept the Empire, it would’ve eventually crumbled under the reforms.

    Possibly, but if the SRs take over Russia afterwards instead of the Bolsheviks and avoid turning Russia into an extraordinarily brutal totalitarian dictatorship afterwards, then this would still be a huge win for Russia.

    Hahaha, that is quite intelligent, although a bit wishful, imo.

    It doesn’t need to be accurate. It simply needs to sound realistic enough to avoid me getting an overly harsh punishment for this hypothetical crime. 😉

    But it is true that Lenin was very uncompromising, the question though is whether, even without him, the class differences and the class bias that the Bolsheviks had could be overcome. The differences in outlook were quite considerable, principal differences, in fact. These things must have been exacerbated by the war (as it radicalized people). Btw, there was a good moment to assassinate Lenin – when he was hiding in Finland, he only had that one Finnish guy guarding him (although it may have been difficult to find him in the woods).

    Weren’t some Bolsheviks advocating in favor of a reunion with the Mensheviks in 1917 before Lenin returned to Russia?

    As for killing Lenin, I think that doing it while he was still in Switzerland would have been the best move of all. In Russia, it was easier for the Bolsheviks to subsequently retaliate for this by killing you. Not very pleasant at all!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I really don’t consider people who merely have hurt feelings to be “victims”.
     
    You should consider the feelings and opinions of mothers, they are a large part of the population. Much, much larger than the pedos and contributing way more to society and on individual level. This pedo thing just makes their life harder.

    Anyway... it looks like I might have to rescind your Latvian visa for now, sorry... (too much to process, your case requires special attention, it might take a few years). You know how this goes. 😉

    I think the best place for someone like you is SoCal, you probably won't find a better place in the world for this type of stuff. Although the world might get crazier in the future - hopefully, not in Europe. Europe actually needs to go back and not ahead with this type of stuff. So no.

    What are your thoughts on ageplay between consenting adults where one of the adults has an extremely childlike appearance and dresses and acts like a child and where this ageplay is also combined with rape fantasy roleplaying so that the other adult is pretending to rape the adult who looks and acts like a child for their own sexual pleasure?
     
    Er.... why isn't normal ageplay enough? I would say no to the above, it sounds a bit too crazy. I mean, people shouldn't be arrested if they do this in private, but they shouldn't put this online or in public. Just stick with Daddy/little. Why does one have to push boundaries so much?

    Yeah, Russian nationalism repels elite human capital, unlike moderate Ukrainian nationalism (or European nationalism, for that matter), which attracts elite human capital.
     
    Yes, I'm aware of this, this is why I find Western Putinophiles so repellent, because they will rarely move to Russia (or even learn the language). They only love Russia and Russians from afar (with very few exceptions). But, yes, it is good that Euro and Ukrainian nationalism attracts elite human capital, but it needs to be very carefully managed. Any elite human capital should be treated well, but they should be subordinate to the local nationalist interests.

    Europe’s immigration patterns would be more-or-less OK if it wasn’t for the Muslim world and Sub-Saharan Africa
     
    Btw, have you seen the recent footage from NYC where the migrants were huddling together in large groups because there was nowhere to house them? Most of those were Sub Saharan Africans. Also, the footage from the Southern border - it is a very motley crowd there, not just South American Indians. There are Chinese, Africans of all sorts, possibly Russians even. They are finding fake Euro passports there. It's a much bigger mess than you seem to realize.

    Possibly, but if the SRs take over Russia afterwards instead of the Bolsheviks and avoid turning Russia into an extraordinarily brutal totalitarian dictatorship afterwards, then this would still be a huge win for Russia.
     
    The SRs were probably better, although they are also quite far left (well, there was a left wave back then, they were called "Democrats" among people), but who knows how they would be once they got into power.

    Weren’t some Bolsheviks advocating in favor of a reunion with the Mensheviks in 1917 before Lenin returned to Russia?
     
    From the Russian nation building point of view, such a reunion would be good, or rather the incorporation of the "bourgeois democratic" parts of society in the "struggle" - however, those class differences were probably too vast. For example, in the Baltics, the bourgeois democratic actually had to win over the Bolsheviks (even if there were very strong social democratic currents prior to that for decades). So I'm not sure how they could unite. Think about it from the human perspective. We sometimes blame those people back then, but how would you treat someone who expects you to work 12 hours for a low salary? And screws you over in other ways. This was all still unresolved back then.

    In Russia, it was easier for the Bolsheviks to subsequently retaliate for this by killing you. Not very pleasant at all!
     
    This is true, of course. Assassinations in exile seem easier, but those, too, have to be well organized. Have you heard of those revolutionary terrorists right before the revolution, who went around assassinating Tsar's people? Many of them were Jewish, there was even a woman! I used to think they were complete trash, but now that I think of it, especially in the context of today's war, - they were really brave. LOL

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  557. @LatW
    @Beckow


    But they are not very good fighters and have low street smarts
     
    I think they could be relatively decent fighters (Finns and Norwegians in particular, although Finns are a separate ethnic group - but they will be staying in our group in the future), so I wouldn't dismiss that part. As to low "street smarts" - yes, because they have not traditionally needed that in their egalitarian society (except for the feuding period, but then things used to be solved more violently) and it is not part of their racial character. There is nothing wrong with that. And they know how to crunch numbers well, if needed, and are able to calculate long term and plan ahead.

    e.g. Italians are also bad fighters, but have very high street smarts.
     
    Italians can bring the wine and good mood. :) If select Jews come to our side (let's say, a few special ones who are half assimilated into our culture and assuming their ethnic loyalty is largely wiped out), they can fill the role of street smarts and PR / smooth talking.

    They don’t fight back, they have inner fears preventing them from confronting bad behavior, esp. with outsiders. I don’t have much faith that will change.
     
    It may not, but keep in mind that things are still relatively peaceful (the demographics have changed, but the living standards have not dropped significantly). If that were to change, people's attitudes would change. But the authorities will do everything in order for it to stay the way it is. Also, the upper classes are not feeling anything yet, and, by the way, in smaller societies such as in Scandinavia, the upper classes would feel it sooner than in large countries such as the US or even France.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    …things are still relatively peaceful – the demographics have changed, but the living standards have not dropped significantly

    The infrastructure in Sweden has become wobbly…things are more broken than they were 5-10 years ago. Stockholm centre looks like a mix of Eritrea with Krakow, with a touch of Swedish-ness. Yes, it is peaceful, but there is a sense of a very slow decline.

    Being smart doesn’t help: most ancient societies that were overrun were smarter than the newcomers. Scandies are impossible to talk to about the real issues in their societies – migrants, crime, censorship…- an inner taboo kicks in and they look like a deer caught in headlights. They hide behind saying stupid stuff about being ‘polite’, or that it is inevitable and manageable. I don’t see fierce Vikings, what Scandieland has are men who behave like old women… (Finns are different, but they have other issues.)

  558. @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    And the very fact that a "penal colony in the North" even exists in 2024 - that alone is a fact should've made everyone think years ago
     
    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you dumb f*ckup. As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic - then it's perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies also you retarded bag of shit.

    Vorkuta and of course Norilsk, Murmansk are a lot bigger in populations than most towns and cities in the Baltics.
    We are the only countries out of the 7 in the Arctic circle to have large town/city there - which says everything about greatness of Russian world.
    The very few Scandinavian large settlements are in completely non-arctic climates you dumb prick.

    LMAO - our ships have been navigating through the Arctic for a few centuries...... Baltics reject earthworm idiots couldn't build ANY navy over the centuries off their far more temperate coast. Until Russians and Germans made it for them - Baltic earthworm rejects had NO civilisation. More Russians are in Arctic than entire population of Estonia, or half of whatever non-entity country human garbage like you is from is called.

    The level of useless f*ckhead cretinism to make you moron post....... as the Baltic shitholes & Poland have hosted CIA torture camps from their wars in the Middle East - is shocking. As is the deranged scumbag disorder required to make lies on Russia - as Estonia and Latvia have the worst human rights on the planet.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you . As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies

    No, in 2024, you wreck everything everywhere you go. And leave ruins and burned bodies. Anything good that you have ever created is immediately canceled out by this.

    Keep demonstrating to the whole world what despicable creatures you are that have to constantly self-congratulate and boast. I have been to several Arctic cities – including in Norway, that were in excellent shape.

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony in the Arctic together with the worst types of animals – mass murderers, etc. The biggest question is why so many of you are incarcerated and for such crimes.

    Nobody wants you. Losers like MAGA will talk a big talk and praise you, but will never live there with you. You will remain alone. You will die alone.

    And don’t even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    The Ukies should have sought terms back in 2021.

    That’s War.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    If you read the posts yesterday you will see it is possible for this fellow to engage in polite disagreement. As Miss Manners was fond of repeating there is never any call for rudeness. : )

    Replies: @LatW

    , @AnonfromTN
    @LatW

    Grapes are sour enough to cause hysterics? Considering who gets hysterical, it’s a good sign.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ennui

    , @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    penal colony in the Arctic
     
    As you are a wakjob reject - you keep on repeating this Arctic thing, then when told by others that plenty of people live in the Arctic - you pretend you weren't trying to misinform that "Arctic=cold=certain death" BS - as you are a habitual liar wakjob reject.
    Sending him North is a perfectly normal thing to do in an area where 1 million+ Russians live you idiot.

    He is a criminal who has incited mass disorder. It is absolutely STANDARD practice EVERYWHERE in the world to send to some of the strictest prisons those who have the ability to incite mass riots and disorder - the worst possible thing in a prison. Unsurprisingly the strictest prison has the most notorious criminals, and notorious criminals are often violent you dumb POS.
    Yashin, Kara-murza etc. don't have "talent" for inciting mass disorder.....so not sent there.
    Navalny can only incite 1% of the population, but 1% of 147 million is a big number and his actions have incited alot of people to break the law, damage property and injure police, cause chaos at public holiday events with children directly there .

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony
     
    Its a non-contest you retarded bullshitter - Latvia is a political terror-state . Russia is a free country with a population 70 times more than Latvia - but the political prisoners in Latvia is far more than 1/70th of those in Russia . All that with us involved in SMO, undercurrent of the Chechen issue still has many Chechen "activists" who support the terrorist side, west funding the worst liberast scum and millions of Russians having family involved with Banderastan.

    Russia puts in prison liberast "activists" for actual criminal activity.........and it also puts in prison Russian ethno-nationalists for inciting violence, who would consider themselves political prisoners.
    Digusting evil shitholes like Latvia, full of sewerats as yourself......have criminally pursued and jailed several of the pro-Russian activists you dumb tramp. Journalists, activists,pensioners, women all repressed, had significant time in jail. Since SMO - off the scale the numbers - for something these Baltic earthworms aren't even involved in.

    For the Latvian Nazi excrement, how many are facing criminal prosecution and jailed for political activity that has gone too far - into inciting violence, inciting disorder, infringing human rights of Russian people?.........ZERO!!!!
    A statistical impossibility that not one Latvian nationalist involved in political activity has not gone into illegal actions- which just shows how deranged Latvian Nazi "justice" system is you reject.

    So many things in public, on internet, in courts that anti-government "activists" are allowed to do in Russia compared to their equivalents in Latvia you stupid prick.

    And don’t even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.
     
    One of those situations where you know you are lying about our heroes, we know that you are lying, you know that we know you are lying.......but you narcissistically put this garbage there anyway.........particularly as subhuman dogshit as yourself has pleasured yourself at actual and numerous videos of Ukronazi satanic vermin doing these actions.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @LT1488
    @LatW

    Insane levels of hatred coming from a Latvian. Its like a Chihuahua barking at a bear.

  559. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I do view it as a significant injustice, similar to, say, the persecution of gays in Russia and some other parts of the world.
     
    It's not an injustice because there are potential victims on the other end or a party that suffers (mothers and children).

    It's also not comparable to homosexuality because that's typically between adults (although one can view it as a gradation or a transition into pedophilia, since homosexuals constantly talk about lowering the age of consent and of course they constantly lust after youths).

    That’s a bit drastic if other, less drastic harm-free options can satisfy oneself, no?
     
    How about neither castration (unless they've committed sex crimes), nor sex dolls, but maybe abstinence?

    There appear to be a lot of female teachers who prey on underage boys, so I’m unsure if it’s a predominantly male phenomenon.
     
    I'm pretty sure it's mostly men, and, no, there are not "a lot" of female teachers that "prey" on underage boys, male and female sexuality is different, very few women are real predators, very few. And we're talking about children here not teenagers. A very young female child is different than a teenage boy, you shouldn't lump these together (even if they are all innocent each in their own way).

    children aren’t actually being hurt by the production and distribution of child sex dolls
     
    Well, I already told you that the idea of innocence is being attacked, and the idea of what is normal and acceptable is being relativized (needlessly). Why should women and mothers especially have to see that? Don't you understand that this hurts women, psychologically, especially moms?

    By that logic, we might as well criminalize rape fantasy roleplaying between consenting adults because it might be insensitive and offensive to actual rape victims. Well, should we?
     
    No, because that's just roleplaying between adults. The images of assault on a female of course are not good (although some adults enjoy those types of fantasies), but this is not as bad as an assault on a child or normalizing the idea of a child as something sexual.

    I thought that one of the biggest arguments in favor of legalizing homosexuality in the West in the past was that gay people should also be entitled to a satisfactory sex life, especially since they are not harming anyone?
     
    They sometimes harm each other, they are often careless and they sometimes have unhealthy types of sex. They have substance abuse problems. Don't you know the whole truth about homosexuals? Not to denigrate them, but to simply know the full truth about their "lifestyle". So something that you call "satisfactory sex life" is actually a very broad concept. Some people may never be satisfied.

    Well, from our experience with gay people, when society has told them to suppress their sexuality, it often tended not to work very well and instead resulted in depression, suicide attempts, and the like.

     

    We don't know if those things were caused by "society suppressing" them or by something intrinsic in their sexuality, in their relationships or self-image. It might be that those types of relationships and that type of sexual interest is inherently unstable. Gays are accepted now, but did they stop having these dysfunctions? No. They are internally restless. The flamboyant gays also have a lot of self image problems since they simultaneously obsess over their appearance and being sexually desirable and yet they also have a striving to act "like men", this makes them restless and "never satisfied" (probably presents internal contradictions). They can also be jealous of straight women. All of this causes psychological problems. Some basic tolerance is ok, but don't let them dance on your head (the way they do in some places).

    Children wouldn’t actually be traumatized by this, after all.
     

    Our job is to keep children out of harm's way at all times, including and especially when the children themselves are not aware of this harm or do not fully understand it. Also, keep unneeded information and stimulation that can be confusing away from them.

    I wouldn’t be traumatized if some pedophile found the 12-year-old me attractive (even up to the point of them making a child sex doll replica of myself) but never did anything sexual with me or harmed me in any way, for instance.
     
    Most parents would be totally not ok with this (with a 12 year old, much less even younger). Most children are not even aware of anything like what you mention. You're a child at 12, and you don't get to make those kinds of conclusions, those will be made for you by the parents. Children can be free, but they should be protected first.

    I have recently viewed some hott photos of Liz Hurley.
     
    Oh... ok... hahaha.

    I retained my race realist views
     
    Hm, I've noticed you taking some liberties with your "race realist" views, or maybe your views are only limited to admitting the IQ differences. As to immigration into the US, it might be viewed differently (more liberally) than immigration into indigenous European nations (that have deeper roots), although I would never impose that view upon the US.

    The Russian Empire was a nest of Great Russian chauvinism, which the current war has demonstrated is a very, very bad concept.
     
    Totally, and that was known by some of us already before the war. It is totally insane. Especially given that their human capital is not even all that.

    That could be interesting, though I personally prefer republics.
     
    Even if they kept the Empire, it would've eventually crumbled under the reforms.

    I’ve even developed a good and plausible (for contemporary audiences) excuse to justify killing Lenin in 1916: I’ve had an omen of a revolution occurring in Russia soon and I want to reunify the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks in order to reduce the risk of counterrevolutionaries crushing this revolution (since a divided revolutionary movement makes it easier for counterrevolutionaries to subsequently crush and destroy it), and since Lenin was an extraordinarily massive obstacle to such a (Bolshevik-Menshevik) reunification, I unfortunately had to get rid of him via assassination.
     
    Hahaha, that is quite intelligent, although a bit wishful, imo. But it is true that Lenin was very uncompromising, the question though is whether, even without him, the class differences and the class bias that the Bolsheviks had could be overcome. The differences in outlook were quite considerable, principal differences, in fact. These things must have been exacerbated by the war (as it radicalized people). Btw, there was a good moment to assassinate Lenin - when he was hiding in Finland, he only had that one Finnish guy guarding him (although it may have been difficult to find him in the woods).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, I forgot to mention something: Had Russia not gone Bolshevik in 1917, it’s entirely possible that there would have been a Central Asian “Great Migration” from their traditional homeland in Central Asia to the cities in Russia’s Slavic heartland during the 20th century, similar to what occurred for African-Americans in the United States at the same time period in real life:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)

    The cause of this mass Central Asian migration would have been similar to that of the historical African-American Great Migration: As in, the search of better job opportunities (though in the case of the African-Americans, they were also fleeing Jim Crow oppression in the Southern US).

    Later on, South Asians could have possibly become Russia’s equivalent of what Latin Americans are to the US, in the late 20th and 21st centuries. And of course the Russian Far East could have acquired a huge East Asian population, similar to the US West coast in real life.

    • Replies: @LT1488
    @Mr. XYZ

    Why are you obsessed with Central Asians and South Asians migrating en masse to Russia? Seems like projection

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  560. @James Of Africa
    @Mr. XYZ

    You should change your moniker to Short Eyes.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Why?

    • Replies: @James Of Africa
    @Mr. XYZ

    I don't think I ever posted any comments on a Karlin thread, I just skim through comments now and then. This is the last time I engage with you out of my own free will.

    I feel a simple need to make it clear that I'm not associated with you or your opinions in any way, although we both post comments on the same site.

    You know exactly why, don't try to be sophisticated about it. You confessed your predatory nature. I will treat you like any sex offender, there is no need for you to explain yourself or try to stir up debate about it as far as I am concerned.

    Farewell, Short Eyes!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  561. @John Johnson
    If a million Trump fans buy a pair of his $399 gold shoes then he should be ok.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRlbu0e0Lf8

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    A few years back I bought some gold plated Trump bars. They didn’t really appreciate as much as I hoped (lol), haven’t really checked, maybe in a few months or closer to November they will become more popular, I could sell them then. 🙂 Or maybe take them to Europe and sell them there (if he wins).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Here are two more things to add to your Trump inventory:

    https://www.amazon.com/Original-Dump-Trump-Pen-Holder/dp/B01KJJS8F0

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/813U63NjdaL._AC_SX679_.jpg

    https://www.amazon.com.au/Trump-Pencil-Sharpener-Donald-Paperweight/dp/B07PZS2867

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51MFJiIbILL._AC_SX522_.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  562. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you . As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies
     
    No, in 2024, you wreck everything everywhere you go. And leave ruins and burned bodies. Anything good that you have ever created is immediately canceled out by this.

    Keep demonstrating to the whole world what despicable creatures you are that have to constantly self-congratulate and boast. I have been to several Arctic cities - including in Norway, that were in excellent shape.

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony in the Arctic together with the worst types of animals - mass murderers, etc. The biggest question is why so many of you are incarcerated and for such crimes.

    Nobody wants you. Losers like MAGA will talk a big talk and praise you, but will never live there with you. You will remain alone. You will die alone.

    And don't even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @LT1488

    The Ukies should have sought terms back in 2021.

    That’s War.

  563. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Southern Ukraine with the port of Odesa would be fine but I think the East will have a hard time recovering. A lot of the businesses that have left Kharkiv and moved to Kiev or Lviv are not going to return. Moreover, Russia will destroy more of the East before the war is over.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Very sad to hear. 🙁

    Quite ironic that it is the historically most pro-Russian areas of Ukraine which Russia has been destroying, with both their economic output and some of their people fleeing further to the west and thus becoming even more svidomized in the process.

    Russia’s (albeit not Putin’s personally) best move back in 2014 would have been to do nothing other than to open Ukraine’s borders with Russia wide open so that any Ukrainian who is not a criminal and who would have wanted to move to Russia would have been able to do so. In such a scenario, without the negative attitudes that Ukrainians got of Russia from its behavior in Crimea and Donbass, I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if millions of Ukrainians would have packed their bags and permanently moved to Russia, especially if obtaining permanent residence in the West would have been unfeasible for them. Russo-Ukrainian relations would have been preserved in such a scenario, Russia would have gotten a population boost, Ukraine could have been emptied of some of its human capital, and Russia would not have had to suffer from Western sanctions or to destroy its own relations with the West, which could have remained at Obama-era semi-normal levels indefinitely.

    Nowadays, not even the Ukrainian mafia actually wants to associate with their Russian equivalents:

    https://www.economist.com/international/2023/04/24/how-the-war-split-the-mafia

    Ukrainian gangsters are also shunning their Russian counterparts. “It is one thing to be called a criminal; quite another to be thought of as a traitor,” says Mark Galeotti, author of “The Vory: Russia’s Super Mafia”. Loyalty to Ukraine is about risk control as well as patriotism. “If we were annexed to Russia, many of the guys in prison might be transferred a long way away,” explains one gangster. “Russian guards are merciless. None of us need that. So we’ll do the dirty work for Ukraine.“

    There has to be some level of credit for that type of epic fail!

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    Kiev regime is the side that has been targeting civilian areas in Donbass and other areas, in addition to having armed personnel meshed with civilians and civilian infrastructure. Russia far more human when compared to Israeli military action against the Pals and their fellow Israelis - Hannibal Directive.

    So much for the fake neocon/neoloib/svido narrative.

  564. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you . As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies
     
    No, in 2024, you wreck everything everywhere you go. And leave ruins and burned bodies. Anything good that you have ever created is immediately canceled out by this.

    Keep demonstrating to the whole world what despicable creatures you are that have to constantly self-congratulate and boast. I have been to several Arctic cities - including in Norway, that were in excellent shape.

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony in the Arctic together with the worst types of animals - mass murderers, etc. The biggest question is why so many of you are incarcerated and for such crimes.

    Nobody wants you. Losers like MAGA will talk a big talk and praise you, but will never live there with you. You will remain alone. You will die alone.

    And don't even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @LT1488

    If you read the posts yesterday you will see it is possible for this fellow to engage in polite disagreement. As Miss Manners was fond of repeating there is never any call for rudeness. : )

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    He was rude to me first (something you are obviously too blind to notice).

    I am not interested in communicating with him. Toly said long ago he's a net negative, for me the only positive here is him showing the true colors of Russian imperialist vatniks, for the whole world to see.

  565. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    It’s not an injustice because there are potential victims on the other end or a party that suffers (mothers and children).

     

    I really don't consider people who merely have hurt feelings to be "victims".

    You have to keep in mind that I'm talking about those pedophiles who are virtuous--as in, those who permanently limit themselves to child sex dolls/robots and cartoon/animated child porn without ever touching any actual child porn and especially without ever harming any actual children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuous_Pedophiles


    It’s also not comparable to homosexuality because that’s typically between adults (although one can view it as a gradation or a transition into pedophilia, since homosexuals constantly talk about lowering the age of consent and of course they constantly lust after youths).

     

    Yes, but this involves an adult and a sex doll/robot, which is an inanimate object (and thus does not have its own interests). Not comparable to an adult having sex with an actual child.

    If there was an overabundance of adults with an extremely childlike appearance who were willing to have consensual sex with pedophiles and there was also a successful cure to aging, then we wouldn't need to be having this debate. But such adults (such as the woman in the video in my post above) are unfortunately extremely rare, so pedophiles (and hebephiles) need to satisfy themselves with dolls/robots instead.


    How about neither castration (unless they’ve committed sex crimes), nor sex dolls, but maybe abstinence?

     

    Abstinence is very hard to do when you aren't asexual and can't even fuck any sex doll/robot that you find attractive. And you presumably also want to deny them animated/cartoon child porn images for them to fap to, right?

    I’m pretty sure it’s mostly men, and, no, there are not “a lot” of female teachers that “prey” on underage boys, male and female sexuality is different, very few women are real predators, very few. And we’re talking about children here not teenagers. A very young female child is different than a teenage boy, you shouldn’t lump these together (even if they are all innocent each in their own way).

     

    Yeah, fair enough, but even if pedophiles are mostly men, I'm still interested in securing a good quality of life for those of them who don't seek to ever harm anyone else.

    Well, I already told you that the idea of innocence is being attacked, and the idea of what is normal and acceptable is being relativized (needlessly). Why should women and mothers especially have to see that? Don’t you understand that this hurts women, psychologically, especially moms?

     

    Frankly, women/moms having hurt feelings strikes me as being less of an injustice than denying a satisfactory harm-free sex life to pedophiles.

    As for attacking innocence, if someone faps to this photo, then they are also undermining this child's innocence, are they not?

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5c55184293a6324e1f793b37/1553561771682-T3V2IROQLCJ1BBABJM34/ArielFriedlander2.jpg

    (That's Desmond Napoles, a former child drag queen.)

    But even so, I don't see why exactly someone should actually be arrested for fapping to this photo or to a similar (fully clothed) photo regardless of just how distasteful this activity might be.


    No, because that’s just roleplaying between adults. The images of assault on a female of course are not good (although some adults enjoy those types of fantasies), but this is not as bad as an assault on a child or normalizing the idea of a child as something sexual.

     

    What are your thoughts on ageplay between consenting adults where one of the adults has an extremely childlike appearance and dresses and acts like a child and where this ageplay is also combined with rape fantasy roleplaying so that the other adult is pretending to rape the adult who looks and acts like a child for their own sexual pleasure? Should that be illegal?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageplay#:~:text=Ageplay%20or%20age%20play%20is,necessarily%20sexual%2C%20but%20can%20be.


    They sometimes harm each other, they are often careless and they sometimes have unhealthy types of sex. They have substance abuse problems. Don’t you know the whole truth about homosexuals? Not to denigrate them, but to simply know the full truth about their “lifestyle”. So something that you call “satisfactory sex life” is actually a very broad concept. Some people may never be satisfied.

     

    I'm unsure if their substance abuse problems are actually related to their homosexuality, as opposed to things such as homophobia. The main problem for them is the massive STD risk increase from anal sex, but now there appears to be a pill that reduces the risk of this to almost zero if taken daily.

    We don’t know if those things were caused by “society suppressing” them or by something intrinsic in their sexuality, in their relationships or self-image. It might be that those types of relationships and that type of sexual interest is inherently unstable. Gays are accepted now, but did they stop having these dysfunctions? No. They are internally restless. The flamboyant gays also have a lot of self image problems since they simultaneously obsess over their appearance and being sexually desirable and yet they also have a striving to act “like men”, this makes them restless and “never satisfied” (probably presents internal contradictions). They can also be jealous of straight women. All of this causes psychological problems. Some basic tolerance is ok, but don’t let them dance on your head (the way they do in some places).

     

    Fair points, but I still suspect that gay people are much more happy and fulfilled in the West, in spite of any problems that they still have, than they are in more homophobic countries such as Russia, let alone, say, Uganda.

    Our job is to keep children out of harm’s way at all times, including and especially when the children themselves are not aware of this harm or do not fully understand it. Also, keep unneeded information and stimulation that can be confusing away from them.

     

    Fucking a child sex doll is far from guaranteed to actually result in the subsequent harm of a child. If anything, there's a chance that it might even make actual children safer.

    Most parents would be totally not ok with this (with a 12 year old, much less even younger). Most children are not even aware of anything like what you mention. You’re a child at 12, and you don’t get to make those kinds of conclusions, those will be made for you by the parents. Children can be free, but they should be protected first.

     

    Well, there is the option of creating a generic child sex doll/robot that isn't modeled on any specific child in particular.

    Oh… ok… hahaha.

     

    Yeah, she is rather tasty:

    https://images.hellomagazine.com/horizon/portrait/cac44317ca5a-elizabeth-hurley-bikini.jpg

    https://agendasettingdiario.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/elizabeth-hurley-bikini-instagram.jpg

    https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/1200x712/5061317.jpg

    Have you yourself ever been into lesbianism, if you don't mind me asking?


    Hm, I’ve noticed you taking some liberties with your “race realist” views, or maybe your views are only limited to admitting the IQ differences. As to immigration into the US, it might be viewed differently (more liberally) than immigration into indigenous European nations (that have deeper roots), although I would never impose that view upon the US.

     

    Well, with the US, we get better immigrants than Europe gets. We get a lot more cognitive elites, and working-class Latin Americans are better than working-class Muslims (less radicalism):

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/immigration.html

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/images/1.png

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/images/2.png

    Europe's immigration patterns would be more-or-less OK if it wasn't for the Muslim world and Sub-Saharan Africa (excluding the non-blacks who move to Europe from there, of course), though:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2024/02/fiscal-impact-of-immigrants-by-country-of-origin/


    Totally, and that was known by some of us already before the war. It is totally insane. Especially given that their human capital is not even all that.

     

    Yeah, Russian nationalism repels elite human capital, unlike moderate Ukrainian nationalism (or European nationalism, for that matter), which attracts elite human capital.

    Even if they kept the Empire, it would’ve eventually crumbled under the reforms.

     

    Possibly, but if the SRs take over Russia afterwards instead of the Bolsheviks and avoid turning Russia into an extraordinarily brutal totalitarian dictatorship afterwards, then this would still be a huge win for Russia.

    Hahaha, that is quite intelligent, although a bit wishful, imo.
     
    It doesn't need to be accurate. It simply needs to sound realistic enough to avoid me getting an overly harsh punishment for this hypothetical crime. ;)

    But it is true that Lenin was very uncompromising, the question though is whether, even without him, the class differences and the class bias that the Bolsheviks had could be overcome. The differences in outlook were quite considerable, principal differences, in fact. These things must have been exacerbated by the war (as it radicalized people). Btw, there was a good moment to assassinate Lenin – when he was hiding in Finland, he only had that one Finnish guy guarding him (although it may have been difficult to find him in the woods).

     

    Weren't some Bolsheviks advocating in favor of a reunion with the Mensheviks in 1917 before Lenin returned to Russia?

    As for killing Lenin, I think that doing it while he was still in Switzerland would have been the best move of all. In Russia, it was easier for the Bolsheviks to subsequently retaliate for this by killing you. Not very pleasant at all!

    Replies: @LatW

    I really don’t consider people who merely have hurt feelings to be “victims”.

    You should consider the feelings and opinions of mothers, they are a large part of the population. Much, much larger than the pedos and contributing way more to society and on individual level. This pedo thing just makes their life harder.

    [MORE]

    Anyway… it looks like I might have to rescind your Latvian visa for now, sorry… (too much to process, your case requires special attention, it might take a few years). You know how this goes. 😉

    I think the best place for someone like you is SoCal, you probably won’t find a better place in the world for this type of stuff. Although the world might get crazier in the future – hopefully, not in Europe. Europe actually needs to go back and not ahead with this type of stuff. So no.

    What are your thoughts on ageplay between consenting adults where one of the adults has an extremely childlike appearance and dresses and acts like a child and where this ageplay is also combined with rape fantasy roleplaying so that the other adult is pretending to rape the adult who looks and acts like a child for their own sexual pleasure?

    Er…. why isn’t normal ageplay enough? I would say no to the above, it sounds a bit too crazy. I mean, people shouldn’t be arrested if they do this in private, but they shouldn’t put this online or in public. Just stick with Daddy/little. Why does one have to push boundaries so much?

    Yeah, Russian nationalism repels elite human capital, unlike moderate Ukrainian nationalism (or European nationalism, for that matter), which attracts elite human capital.

    Yes, I’m aware of this, this is why I find Western Putinophiles so repellent, because they will rarely move to Russia (or even learn the language). They only love Russia and Russians from afar (with very few exceptions). But, yes, it is good that Euro and Ukrainian nationalism attracts elite human capital, but it needs to be very carefully managed. Any elite human capital should be treated well, but they should be subordinate to the local nationalist interests.

    Europe’s immigration patterns would be more-or-less OK if it wasn’t for the Muslim world and Sub-Saharan Africa

    Btw, have you seen the recent footage from NYC where the migrants were huddling together in large groups because there was nowhere to house them? Most of those were Sub Saharan Africans. Also, the footage from the Southern border – it is a very motley crowd there, not just South American Indians. There are Chinese, Africans of all sorts, possibly Russians even. They are finding fake Euro passports there. It’s a much bigger mess than you seem to realize.

    Possibly, but if the SRs take over Russia afterwards instead of the Bolsheviks and avoid turning Russia into an extraordinarily brutal totalitarian dictatorship afterwards, then this would still be a huge win for Russia.

    The SRs were probably better, although they are also quite far left (well, there was a left wave back then, they were called “Democrats” among people), but who knows how they would be once they got into power.

    Weren’t some Bolsheviks advocating in favor of a reunion with the Mensheviks in 1917 before Lenin returned to Russia?

    From the Russian nation building point of view, such a reunion would be good, or rather the incorporation of the “bourgeois democratic” parts of society in the “struggle” – however, those class differences were probably too vast. For example, in the Baltics, the bourgeois democratic actually had to win over the Bolsheviks (even if there were very strong social democratic currents prior to that for decades). So I’m not sure how they could unite. Think about it from the human perspective. We sometimes blame those people back then, but how would you treat someone who expects you to work 12 hours for a low salary? And screws you over in other ways. This was all still unresolved back then.

    In Russia, it was easier for the Bolsheviks to subsequently retaliate for this by killing you. Not very pleasant at all!

    This is true, of course. Assassinations in exile seem easier, but those, too, have to be well organized. Have you heard of those revolutionary terrorists right before the revolution, who went around assassinating Tsar’s people? Many of them were Jewish, there was even a woman! I used to think they were complete trash, but now that I think of it, especially in the context of today’s war, – they were really brave. LOL

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    You should consider the feelings and opinions of mothers, they are a large part of the population. Much, much larger than the pedos and contributing way more to society and on individual level. This pedo thing just makes their life harder.

     

    Well, I think that even unproductive members of society--such as, say, the ghetto underclass--should have their interests be taken into account to some extent just so long as doing this won't be harmful to the rest of society. Ditto for pedophiles (and hebephiles, et cetera).

    Interestingly enough, the US Supreme Court appears to think similarly to me in regards to this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

    Or at least did back in 2002. It has never ruled on the dolls question yet. Maybe it will in the future. Hopefully.


    Anyway… it looks like I might have to rescind your Latvian visa for now, sorry… (too much to process, your case requires special attention, it might take a few years). You know how this goes. 😉
    I think the best place for someone like you is SoCal, you probably won’t find a better place in the world for this type of stuff. Although the world might get crazier in the future – hopefully, not in Europe. Europe actually needs to go back and not ahead with this type of stuff. So no.
     
    Would you also support denying EU visas to those US Supreme Court Justices who supported having cartoon/animated child porn be legal in the 2002 US Supreme Court case mentioned above?

    Er…. why isn’t normal ageplay enough? I would say no to the above, it sounds a bit too crazy. I mean, people shouldn’t be arrested if they do this in private, but they shouldn’t put this online or in public. Just stick with Daddy/little. Why does one have to push boundaries so much?

     

    If they will hypothetically publish a book about this experience of theirs only for other adults, should this book be made illegal?

    Yes, I’m aware of this, this is why I find Western Putinophiles so repellent, because they will rarely move to Russia (or even learn the language). They only love Russia and Russians from afar (with very few exceptions). But, yes, it is good that Euro and Ukrainian nationalism attracts elite human capital, but it needs to be very carefully managed. Any elite human capital should be treated well, but they should be subordinate to the local nationalist interests.
     
    Agreed.

    BTW, it's quite interesting that even though Western right-wingers rarely learn Russian, they do sometimes convert to Russian Orthodoxy in order to "spite the libs":

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts

    Btw, have you seen the recent footage from NYC where the migrants were huddling together in large groups because there was nowhere to house them? Most of those were Sub Saharan Africans. Also, the footage from the Southern border – it is a very motley crowd there, not just South American Indians. There are Chinese, Africans of all sorts, possibly Russians even. They are finding fake Euro passports there. It’s a much bigger mess than you seem to realize.

     

    Well, TBH, I'd eagerly welcome the Chinese and Russians into the US, unless of course they were spies. But the Sub-Saharan Africans I'd only be eager to welcome if they were either cognitive elites or both genuine refugees (say, a gay Ugandan, for instance) and culturally compatible. Our own existing black underclass already gives us a large enough problem as it is, unfortunately. (Not all of our blacks actually belong to the underclass, but a large enough percentage of them do.)

    The SRs were probably better, although they are also quite far left (well, there was a left wave back then, they were called “Democrats” among people), but who knows how they would be once they got into power.

     

    Well, there were Right SRs, led by Viktor Chernov, and Left SRs, led by Maria Spiridonova. Both of them would have been better than Lenin and Stalin, no doubt, but I think that the Right SRs would have been the best of all since they appear to have been genuinely committed to democracy, human rights, freedoms and liberties, et cetera. In contrast, the Left SRs were willing to work with the Bolsheviks in real life before later turning on (rebelling against) them and thus getting purged by them.

    From the Russian nation building point of view, such a reunion would be good, or rather the incorporation of the “bourgeois democratic” parts of society in the “struggle” – however, those class differences were probably too vast. For example, in the Baltics, the bourgeois democratic actually had to win over the Bolsheviks (even if there were very strong social democratic currents prior to that for decades). So I’m not sure how they could unite. Think about it from the human perspective. We sometimes blame those people back then, but how would you treat someone who expects you to work 12 hours for a low salary? And screws you over in other ways. This was all still unresolved back then.

     

    Even if the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks don't reunite, it would still be an improvement for so long as the Bolsheviks are led by someone better than Lenin--or Stalin, for that matter.

    And Yes, I'm well-aware that Bolshevik and other socialist support in the early 20th century--and even right now, in some places--was based on people's very legitimate grievances and the apparent inability of the existing national governments and authorities to adequately address these grievances.

    This is true, of course. Assassinations in exile seem easier, but those, too, have to be well organized. Have you heard of those revolutionary terrorists right before the revolution, who went around assassinating Tsar’s people? Many of them were Jewish, there was even a woman! I used to think they were complete trash, but now that I think of it, especially in the context of today’s war, – they were really brave. LOL

     

    Well, a Jewish revolutionary killed Pyotr Stolypin in 1911. I'm unsure that doing this was actually a good idea/move, though. Killing Tsar Alexander II in 1881 was definitely a bad move since they ended up getting a worse Tsar in the form of his reactionary son Tsar Alexander III.

    I think that Tsarist Russia had an unusually severe terrorism problem relative to the rest of Europe before WWI because there were less legal avenues to achieve meaningful change there than there was in the rest of Europe, or at least in most of Europe. Thus the large-scale terrorism there was unfortunately understandable.

    Replies: @LatW

  566. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    If you read the posts yesterday you will see it is possible for this fellow to engage in polite disagreement. As Miss Manners was fond of repeating there is never any call for rudeness. : )

    Replies: @LatW

    He was rude to me first (something you are obviously too blind to notice).

    I am not interested in communicating with him. Toly said long ago he’s a net negative, for me the only positive here is him showing the true colors of Russian imperialist vatniks, for the whole world to see.

  567. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you . As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies
     
    No, in 2024, you wreck everything everywhere you go. And leave ruins and burned bodies. Anything good that you have ever created is immediately canceled out by this.

    Keep demonstrating to the whole world what despicable creatures you are that have to constantly self-congratulate and boast. I have been to several Arctic cities - including in Norway, that were in excellent shape.

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony in the Arctic together with the worst types of animals - mass murderers, etc. The biggest question is why so many of you are incarcerated and for such crimes.

    Nobody wants you. Losers like MAGA will talk a big talk and praise you, but will never live there with you. You will remain alone. You will die alone.

    And don't even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @LT1488

    Grapes are sour enough to cause hysterics? Considering who gets hysterical, it’s a good sign.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Excuse me? "Sour grapes" that you guys have penal colonies in the Arctic where you mix politicals with crazy violent criminals? And you drive someone into death for what? Seriously? You think anyone on this planet would envy that? Most of us have no desire to live like ruthless savages.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Ennui
    @AnonfromTN

    The sense of entitlement from these Ukrainians is insane. It's Israel-level chutzpah. I don't blame them, it's in their nature. I blame the cucky weasels in our midst who let them think they can get away with it. Zelensky talks down to our leaders and they eat it up. What kind of normal person lets somebody treat them like that?

    I started rooting for Ukrainian misery the minute they presumed to lecture me about my money.

    Replies: @sudden death

  568. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I really don’t consider people who merely have hurt feelings to be “victims”.
     
    You should consider the feelings and opinions of mothers, they are a large part of the population. Much, much larger than the pedos and contributing way more to society and on individual level. This pedo thing just makes their life harder.

    Anyway... it looks like I might have to rescind your Latvian visa for now, sorry... (too much to process, your case requires special attention, it might take a few years). You know how this goes. 😉

    I think the best place for someone like you is SoCal, you probably won't find a better place in the world for this type of stuff. Although the world might get crazier in the future - hopefully, not in Europe. Europe actually needs to go back and not ahead with this type of stuff. So no.

    What are your thoughts on ageplay between consenting adults where one of the adults has an extremely childlike appearance and dresses and acts like a child and where this ageplay is also combined with rape fantasy roleplaying so that the other adult is pretending to rape the adult who looks and acts like a child for their own sexual pleasure?
     
    Er.... why isn't normal ageplay enough? I would say no to the above, it sounds a bit too crazy. I mean, people shouldn't be arrested if they do this in private, but they shouldn't put this online or in public. Just stick with Daddy/little. Why does one have to push boundaries so much?

    Yeah, Russian nationalism repels elite human capital, unlike moderate Ukrainian nationalism (or European nationalism, for that matter), which attracts elite human capital.
     
    Yes, I'm aware of this, this is why I find Western Putinophiles so repellent, because they will rarely move to Russia (or even learn the language). They only love Russia and Russians from afar (with very few exceptions). But, yes, it is good that Euro and Ukrainian nationalism attracts elite human capital, but it needs to be very carefully managed. Any elite human capital should be treated well, but they should be subordinate to the local nationalist interests.

    Europe’s immigration patterns would be more-or-less OK if it wasn’t for the Muslim world and Sub-Saharan Africa
     
    Btw, have you seen the recent footage from NYC where the migrants were huddling together in large groups because there was nowhere to house them? Most of those were Sub Saharan Africans. Also, the footage from the Southern border - it is a very motley crowd there, not just South American Indians. There are Chinese, Africans of all sorts, possibly Russians even. They are finding fake Euro passports there. It's a much bigger mess than you seem to realize.

    Possibly, but if the SRs take over Russia afterwards instead of the Bolsheviks and avoid turning Russia into an extraordinarily brutal totalitarian dictatorship afterwards, then this would still be a huge win for Russia.
     
    The SRs were probably better, although they are also quite far left (well, there was a left wave back then, they were called "Democrats" among people), but who knows how they would be once they got into power.

    Weren’t some Bolsheviks advocating in favor of a reunion with the Mensheviks in 1917 before Lenin returned to Russia?
     
    From the Russian nation building point of view, such a reunion would be good, or rather the incorporation of the "bourgeois democratic" parts of society in the "struggle" - however, those class differences were probably too vast. For example, in the Baltics, the bourgeois democratic actually had to win over the Bolsheviks (even if there were very strong social democratic currents prior to that for decades). So I'm not sure how they could unite. Think about it from the human perspective. We sometimes blame those people back then, but how would you treat someone who expects you to work 12 hours for a low salary? And screws you over in other ways. This was all still unresolved back then.

    In Russia, it was easier for the Bolsheviks to subsequently retaliate for this by killing you. Not very pleasant at all!
     
    This is true, of course. Assassinations in exile seem easier, but those, too, have to be well organized. Have you heard of those revolutionary terrorists right before the revolution, who went around assassinating Tsar's people? Many of them were Jewish, there was even a woman! I used to think they were complete trash, but now that I think of it, especially in the context of today's war, - they were really brave. LOL

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    You should consider the feelings and opinions of mothers, they are a large part of the population. Much, much larger than the pedos and contributing way more to society and on individual level. This pedo thing just makes their life harder.

    Well, I think that even unproductive members of society–such as, say, the ghetto underclass–should have their interests be taken into account to some extent just so long as doing this won’t be harmful to the rest of society. Ditto for pedophiles (and hebephiles, et cetera).

    Interestingly enough, the US Supreme Court appears to think similarly to me in regards to this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

    Or at least did back in 2002. It has never ruled on the dolls question yet. Maybe it will in the future. Hopefully.

    [MORE]

    Anyway… it looks like I might have to rescind your Latvian visa for now, sorry… (too much to process, your case requires special attention, it might take a few years). You know how this goes. 😉
    I think the best place for someone like you is SoCal, you probably won’t find a better place in the world for this type of stuff. Although the world might get crazier in the future – hopefully, not in Europe. Europe actually needs to go back and not ahead with this type of stuff. So no.

    Would you also support denying EU visas to those US Supreme Court Justices who supported having cartoon/animated child porn be legal in the 2002 US Supreme Court case mentioned above?

    Er…. why isn’t normal ageplay enough? I would say no to the above, it sounds a bit too crazy. I mean, people shouldn’t be arrested if they do this in private, but they shouldn’t put this online or in public. Just stick with Daddy/little. Why does one have to push boundaries so much?

    If they will hypothetically publish a book about this experience of theirs only for other adults, should this book be made illegal?

    Yes, I’m aware of this, this is why I find Western Putinophiles so repellent, because they will rarely move to Russia (or even learn the language). They only love Russia and Russians from afar (with very few exceptions). But, yes, it is good that Euro and Ukrainian nationalism attracts elite human capital, but it needs to be very carefully managed. Any elite human capital should be treated well, but they should be subordinate to the local nationalist interests.

    Agreed.

    BTW, it’s quite interesting that even though Western right-wingers rarely learn Russian, they do sometimes convert to Russian Orthodoxy in order to “spite the libs”:

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts

    Btw, have you seen the recent footage from NYC where the migrants were huddling together in large groups because there was nowhere to house them? Most of those were Sub Saharan Africans. Also, the footage from the Southern border – it is a very motley crowd there, not just South American Indians. There are Chinese, Africans of all sorts, possibly Russians even. They are finding fake Euro passports there. It’s a much bigger mess than you seem to realize.

    Well, TBH, I’d eagerly welcome the Chinese and Russians into the US, unless of course they were spies. But the Sub-Saharan Africans I’d only be eager to welcome if they were either cognitive elites or both genuine refugees (say, a gay Ugandan, for instance) and culturally compatible. Our own existing black underclass already gives us a large enough problem as it is, unfortunately. (Not all of our blacks actually belong to the underclass, but a large enough percentage of them do.)

    The SRs were probably better, although they are also quite far left (well, there was a left wave back then, they were called “Democrats” among people), but who knows how they would be once they got into power.

    Well, there were Right SRs, led by Viktor Chernov, and Left SRs, led by Maria Spiridonova. Both of them would have been better than Lenin and Stalin, no doubt, but I think that the Right SRs would have been the best of all since they appear to have been genuinely committed to democracy, human rights, freedoms and liberties, et cetera. In contrast, the Left SRs were willing to work with the Bolsheviks in real life before later turning on (rebelling against) them and thus getting purged by them.

    From the Russian nation building point of view, such a reunion would be good, or rather the incorporation of the “bourgeois democratic” parts of society in the “struggle” – however, those class differences were probably too vast. For example, in the Baltics, the bourgeois democratic actually had to win over the Bolsheviks (even if there were very strong social democratic currents prior to that for decades). So I’m not sure how they could unite. Think about it from the human perspective. We sometimes blame those people back then, but how would you treat someone who expects you to work 12 hours for a low salary? And screws you over in other ways. This was all still unresolved back then.

    Even if the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks don’t reunite, it would still be an improvement for so long as the Bolsheviks are led by someone better than Lenin–or Stalin, for that matter.

    And Yes, I’m well-aware that Bolshevik and other socialist support in the early 20th century–and even right now, in some places–was based on people’s very legitimate grievances and the apparent inability of the existing national governments and authorities to adequately address these grievances.

    This is true, of course. Assassinations in exile seem easier, but those, too, have to be well organized. Have you heard of those revolutionary terrorists right before the revolution, who went around assassinating Tsar’s people? Many of them were Jewish, there was even a woman! I used to think they were complete trash, but now that I think of it, especially in the context of today’s war, – they were really brave. LOL

    Well, a Jewish revolutionary killed Pyotr Stolypin in 1911. I’m unsure that doing this was actually a good idea/move, though. Killing Tsar Alexander II in 1881 was definitely a bad move since they ended up getting a worse Tsar in the form of his reactionary son Tsar Alexander III.

    I think that Tsarist Russia had an unusually severe terrorism problem relative to the rest of Europe before WWI because there were less legal avenues to achieve meaningful change there than there was in the rest of Europe, or at least in most of Europe. Thus the large-scale terrorism there was unfortunately understandable.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, I think that even unproductive members of society–such as, say, the ghetto underclass–should have their interests be taken into account to some extent just so long as doing this won’t be harmful to the rest of society.
     
    Securing basic rights is something different from indulging or morally relativizing. There are countries such as Norway that already have rather lenient laws, best penitentiary systems in the world and a lot of rehabilitation. But this is because those populations are different culturally. And they do not indulge as much. There is also a difference between securing basic standards and mitigating harm vs "their interests", as you say. These people's interests should never be equal to the interests of, let's say, mothers. And yet this is constantly being pushed. It will end badly. The signs are everywhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition
     
    I would have to look at this closer (if I have more time), but it is well known that in the US, free speech laws are often used as a cover for all kinds of degeneracy. The question is how far you want to go - we know that all the boundaries that have been pushed and broken so far, it has been harmful, yet this is still kept in place and taken even further. It doesn't come without consequences and, as always, it is the weak who pay. You are simply not aware of these consequences.

    Would you also support denying EU visas to those US Supreme Court Justices who supported having cartoon/animated child porn be legal in the 2002 US Supreme Court case mentioned above?

     

    Yes, I would, because this is the last thing we need.

    If they will hypothetically publish a book about this experience of theirs only for other adults, should this book be made illegal?
     
    Yes. Anything involving images of children in that context should be illegal. And you know this, you're pushing boundaries (like Jews often do). And btw there is already material out there, including on YoutTube, very easily accessible, that is borderline and it is not being censored. But then they have overly strict laws for other things, it is not balanced.

    BTW, it’s quite interesting that even though Western right-wingers rarely learn Russian, they do sometimes convert to Russian Orthodoxy in order to “spite the libs”:
     
    Those are fake and shallow Orthodoxes for the most part, and, yes, they do this for political, reactive reasons (has little to do with real spirituality). It's funny how they then go around advertising their newfound religious "convictions" - something that is deeply private and should be kept to oneself. Sometimes these are dudes that used to be PUAs, I have no respect for such people. However, I once met one who seemed somewhat normal and genuine, he was a slightly artsy tech guy - he seemed kind of disturbed by some of the recent cultural shifts, so it seems that there is some genuine interest as well, but he was pro-Ukrainian and he also had Slavic roots (very long forgotten W.Slavic roots in his case), and he picked it over other somewhat "radical" religions (such as traditional Catholicism or Odinism).

    I wonder though where they're going to get women, whether they import wives (as usual), or if Anglo women will sign up for this as well. I don't see female Anglo trads going the Orthodox route, but more Catholic. I'm aware of some very conservative Dutch communities, they practice some strict kind of Protestantism (Reformed Church). There are options for those who want them.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts

  569. @Mr. XYZ
    @James Of Africa

    Why?

    Replies: @James Of Africa

    I don’t think I ever posted any comments on a Karlin thread, I just skim through comments now and then. This is the last time I engage with you out of my own free will.

    I feel a simple need to make it clear that I’m not associated with you or your opinions in any way, although we both post comments on the same site.

    You know exactly why, don’t try to be sophisticated about it. You confessed your predatory nature. I will treat you like any sex offender, there is no need for you to explain yourself or try to stir up debate about it as far as I am concerned.

    Farewell, Short Eyes!

    • Agree: QCIC
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @James Of Africa

    Defending Virtuous Pedophiles != me personally being a predator. Please use some common sense! FWIW, Virtuous Pedophiles, *if* they're actually being honest about themselves, are not predators either.

  570. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW

    Grapes are sour enough to cause hysterics? Considering who gets hysterical, it’s a good sign.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ennui

    Excuse me? “Sour grapes” that you guys have penal colonies in the Arctic where you mix politicals with crazy violent criminals? And you drive someone into death for what? Seriously? You think anyone on this planet would envy that? Most of us have no desire to live like ruthless savages.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW

    Let me remind you of three things (can do more, but don’t want to waste my time).

    One, lots of free people live North of the arctic circle, in the RF and quite a few other countries.

    Two, Assange, who did not do anything criminal (as it turned out, the original charges of rape were faked by the Swedish police) is kept in high security prison for many years in self-proclaimed democratic UK.

    Three, Ukies posted numerous videos on the internet of them killing and mutilating Russian POWs, including wounded POWs. Like banderies, they are not just sub-human, they are stupid and proud enough of their brutality to advertise it.

    In view of that, your hysterics show to me that things are going in the right direction.

    Replies: @LatW

  571. @James Of Africa
    @Mr. XYZ

    I don't think I ever posted any comments on a Karlin thread, I just skim through comments now and then. This is the last time I engage with you out of my own free will.

    I feel a simple need to make it clear that I'm not associated with you or your opinions in any way, although we both post comments on the same site.

    You know exactly why, don't try to be sophisticated about it. You confessed your predatory nature. I will treat you like any sex offender, there is no need for you to explain yourself or try to stir up debate about it as far as I am concerned.

    Farewell, Short Eyes!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Defending Virtuous Pedophiles != me personally being a predator. Please use some common sense! FWIW, Virtuous Pedophiles, *if* they’re actually being honest about themselves, are not predators either.

    • Troll: James Of Africa
  572. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Excuse me? "Sour grapes" that you guys have penal colonies in the Arctic where you mix politicals with crazy violent criminals? And you drive someone into death for what? Seriously? You think anyone on this planet would envy that? Most of us have no desire to live like ruthless savages.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Let me remind you of three things (can do more, but don’t want to waste my time).

    One, lots of free people live North of the arctic circle, in the RF and quite a few other countries.

    Two, Assange, who did not do anything criminal (as it turned out, the original charges of rape were faked by the Swedish police) is kept in high security prison for many years in self-proclaimed democratic UK.

    Three, Ukies posted numerous videos on the internet of them killing and mutilating Russian POWs, including wounded POWs. Like banderies, they are not just sub-human, they are stupid and proud enough of their brutality to advertise it.

    In view of that, your hysterics show to me that things are going in the right direction.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    One, lots of free people live North of the arctic circle, in the RF and quite a few other countries.
     
    I'm perfectly aware of this, as I've been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked "Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?".

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he'd be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I'm not even his fan.


    Ukies posted numerous videos on the internet of them killing and mutilating Russian POWs
     
    Ever read Alex Parker (courtesy of the "free, liberal and utterly humane" Pavel Durov's Telegram)?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  573. Battle of the Nations
    Italy Australia

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  574. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW

    Let me remind you of three things (can do more, but don’t want to waste my time).

    One, lots of free people live North of the arctic circle, in the RF and quite a few other countries.

    Two, Assange, who did not do anything criminal (as it turned out, the original charges of rape were faked by the Swedish police) is kept in high security prison for many years in self-proclaimed democratic UK.

    Three, Ukies posted numerous videos on the internet of them killing and mutilating Russian POWs, including wounded POWs. Like banderies, they are not just sub-human, they are stupid and proud enough of their brutality to advertise it.

    In view of that, your hysterics show to me that things are going in the right direction.

    Replies: @LatW

    One, lots of free people live North of the arctic circle, in the RF and quite a few other countries.

    I’m perfectly aware of this, as I’ve been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked “Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?”.

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he’d be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I’m not even his fan.

    Ukies posted numerous videos on the internet of them killing and mutilating Russian POWs

    Ever read Alex Parker (courtesy of the “free, liberal and utterly humane” Pavel Durov’s Telegram)?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Alex Parker
     
    Who is this Alex Parker and why should I trust him/her/it? Where from does this personage get paid? I presume s/he/it eats every day, and food costs money. As the saying goes, he, who pays the musicians, calls the tune.
    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?”
     
    Maybe because there are no separate prisons - the West also doesn't have them. It has also been a long time since anyone has been sent to prison as "political". Everyone uses other convenient laws.

    Publishing government secrets is a popular one - both Assange and Navalny, possibly Trump and his posse. Vandalism and blocking government functions are also big, 1,000 sentenced in Washington. I hear that lately even mis-numbering floors in one's hotel could be criminal in US, f..ing creative, I hope Jim Il Kun is paying attention.

    When all else fails there is always the "unwanted sexual advance"; preferably in Sweden or in a changing room in a busy NY department store. Navalny was in jail for fraud, violating probation, and for being a 'foreign agent' (the money thing).

    But no "politicals", that's so 20th century...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I’m perfectly aware of this, as I’ve been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked “Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?”.

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he’d be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I’m not even his fan.
     
    Was Russia better-behaved in regards to this back under Yeltsin?

    But Yeah, Russia has a very serious problem with political repression. It also has a giant prison-industrial complex for an overwhelmingly white country. (The US does as well, but the US has many more non-whites, so it's not comparable.)

    BTW, here is an interesting 1926 book that you might enjoy:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=xUdLAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=pan-europe+kalergi&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_l_T9-7iEAxVcIEQIHW33DXgQ6AF6BAgEEAI#v=onepage&q=pan-europe%20kalergi&f=false

    It's by an Austro-Hungarian nobleman of mixed European and Japanese descent (his mother was Japanese) and who is arguing in favor of the creation of a European Federation--in order words, a European Union, but even more tightly integrated. This book is certainly ahead of its time. He argues that Europe has nothing to gain from another war, that seeking European border revision through violent means is futile, and that Russia will be imperialist regardless of its form of government, which is why the rest of Europe should unite against Russia in defense of their common European homeland. Again, a very interesting and insightful book.

    Replies: @LT1488, @LatW

  575. Incidentally, I was speaking to someone who works at a water treatment plant today.

    They told me that they don’t fluoridate the water for that community because no poor people live there. And also the fluoride is dangerous to work with, if it gets on you. You need some kind of neutralizing chemical, if it gets on you.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird

    I don’t know the technology of water fluorination. Gaseous fluoride is dangerous, sodium fluoride is not. Same with chloride: gaseous chloride is poisonous, sodium chloride we call salt and use in food.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AnonfromTN
    @songbird

    Additional info for those who are interested: you don’t want to inject sodium fluoride, it will cause diarrhea. Fluoride anion activates adenylyl cyclase, via a different mechanism than cholera toxin, which also causes diarrhea.

  576. @songbird
    Incidentally, I was speaking to someone who works at a water treatment plant today.

    They told me that they don't fluoridate the water for that community because no poor people live there. And also the fluoride is dangerous to work with, if it gets on you. You need some kind of neutralizing chemical, if it gets on you.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    I don’t know the technology of water fluorination. Gaseous fluoride is dangerous, sodium fluoride is not. Same with chloride: gaseous chloride is poisonous, sodium chloride we call salt and use in food.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    sodium fluoride is not.
     
    It is dangerous, if you inhale or ingest it. Small amounts, if pure. But I had the vague idea they were talking about skin, so I am not 100% sure they were talking about that method (there are 3).

    Used to have a chemistry teacher who once had a job at a water treatment plant. He said what impressed his boss was that he was the only one able to do rough logs in his head. But he was a very old guy, so probably before calculators.

    Replies: @A123

  577. @songbird
    Incidentally, I was speaking to someone who works at a water treatment plant today.

    They told me that they don't fluoridate the water for that community because no poor people live there. And also the fluoride is dangerous to work with, if it gets on you. You need some kind of neutralizing chemical, if it gets on you.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    Additional info for those who are interested: you don’t want to inject sodium fluoride, it will cause diarrhea. Fluoride anion activates adenylyl cyclase, via a different mechanism than cholera toxin, which also causes diarrhea.

  578. @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    And the very fact that a "penal colony in the North" even exists in 2024 - that alone is a fact should've made everyone think years ago
     
    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you dumb f*ckup. As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic - then it's perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies also you retarded bag of shit.

    Vorkuta and of course Norilsk, Murmansk are a lot bigger in populations than most towns and cities in the Baltics.
    We are the only countries out of the 7 in the Arctic circle to have large town/city there - which says everything about greatness of Russian world.
    The very few Scandinavian large settlements are in completely non-arctic climates you dumb prick.

    LMAO - our ships have been navigating through the Arctic for a few centuries...... Baltics reject earthworm idiots couldn't build ANY navy over the centuries off their far more temperate coast. Until Russians and Germans made it for them - Baltic earthworm rejects had NO civilisation. More Russians are in Arctic than entire population of Estonia, or half of whatever non-entity country human garbage like you is from is called.

    The level of useless f*ckhead cretinism to make you moron post....... as the Baltic shitholes & Poland have hosted CIA torture camps from their wars in the Middle East - is shocking. As is the deranged scumbag disorder required to make lies on Russia - as Estonia and Latvia have the worst human rights on the planet.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you dumb f*ckup. As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies also you retarded bag of shit.

    So moving in random Asians and building 18th century style pit toilets counts as civilization?

    Putin to move 100,000 Asians to Donbas
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russians-bring-over-100000-asian-migrants-into-occupied-territories-of-ukraine/ar-AA1kJKfB

    Indoor Plumbing Still a Pipe Dream for 20% of Russian Households, Reports Say
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049

    HERE COME THE CIVILIZATION BUILDERS

    ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE

    YOU’RE WELCOME

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Russian civilization builders spreading their culture even to outer space:

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/18859859_web1_web_RAMclr-021724-russia-nuke-SAT-EXTRA.jpg?crop=1

  579. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I haven't the time to watch the video clips that you've posted yet. When I get home from my own small nice church I'll give them a spin. Some habits die hard (thankfully). :-)

    I visited the "Irish" part of town too. I had a real sweet girlfriend that lived in this part of town, not far from the sea. A real good looker, half Irish and half Ukrainian - the best of two worlds. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    I visited the “Irish” part of town too

    .
    Oddly enough, none of my people ever lived there. Back then, nearly every part was Irish.

    A real good looker, half Irish and half Ukrainian – the best of two worlds.

    I actually remember being on a train a few years ago in the suburbs, and there was this group of teenage boys. They were basically normal kids from the close suburbs (I presume) and I remember one guy specifically saying that he did not think Irish girls were good-looking. (By which I am sure he meant Irish-Americans.)

    If I were there again I would ask him his ethnic background, out of curiosity.

    I think most of the girls I knew growing up must have been Irish or Italian or some combination. In some cases, they had an Irish name but were too dark to be pureblood. In other cases they had an Italian name were too light to be a pureblood from Southern Italy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I don't know why, but I've alway been rather partial to Irish girls, whether home grown or American hybrids. I've brought up my acquaintance with the McGuire family here before that lived a few doors down from where I did. I hung around 3-4 different kids within this family (of a total of 12), as my older sister went to college with some of the older siblings. All of the kids had that unmistakable good looking "Irish"element and good nature personality traits too. I enjoyed a lot of laughs with the kids and got a close up front look of the Irish-American family. The matriarch of the family was really a strikingly beautiful woman and I could instinctively understand how the old man had a hard time keeping his hands off of her. :-)

  580. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    One, lots of free people live North of the arctic circle, in the RF and quite a few other countries.
     
    I'm perfectly aware of this, as I've been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked "Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?".

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he'd be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I'm not even his fan.


    Ukies posted numerous videos on the internet of them killing and mutilating Russian POWs
     
    Ever read Alex Parker (courtesy of the "free, liberal and utterly humane" Pavel Durov's Telegram)?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Alex Parker

    Who is this Alex Parker and why should I trust him/her/it? Where from does this personage get paid? I presume s/he/it eats every day, and food costs money. As the saying goes, he, who pays the musicians, calls the tune.

  581. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird

    I don’t know the technology of water fluorination. Gaseous fluoride is dangerous, sodium fluoride is not. Same with chloride: gaseous chloride is poisonous, sodium chloride we call salt and use in food.

    Replies: @songbird

    sodium fluoride is not.

    It is dangerous, if you inhale or ingest it. Small amounts, if pure. But I had the vague idea they were talking about skin, so I am not 100% sure they were talking about that method (there are 3).

    Used to have a chemistry teacher who once had a job at a water treatment plant. He said what impressed his boss was that he was the only one able to do rough logs in his head. But he was a very old guy, so probably before calculators.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    A solid would require a mixing station. I think that liquid Fluorine Silicate acid is the most common additive. Much less hazardous than Hydro Fluoric acid. However, it is still a splash and fume risk.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  582. Mysterious stingray pregnancy leaves many to wonder if shark is father

    My vote is for parthenogenesis, but I wonder if it could have been triggered by the sharks

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    And I don’t see how they wouldn’t already know, based on the x-ray.

  583. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    One, lots of free people live North of the arctic circle, in the RF and quite a few other countries.
     
    I'm perfectly aware of this, as I've been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked "Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?".

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he'd be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I'm not even his fan.


    Ukies posted numerous videos on the internet of them killing and mutilating Russian POWs
     
    Ever read Alex Parker (courtesy of the "free, liberal and utterly humane" Pavel Durov's Telegram)?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    …Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?”

    Maybe because there are no separate prisons – the West also doesn’t have them. It has also been a long time since anyone has been sent to prison as “political”. Everyone uses other convenient laws.

    Publishing government secrets is a popular one – both Assange and Navalny, possibly Trump and his posse. Vandalism and blocking government functions are also big, 1,000 sentenced in Washington. I hear that lately even mis-numbering floors in one’s hotel could be criminal in US, f..ing creative, I hope Jim Il Kun is paying attention.

    When all else fails there is always the “unwanted sexual advance”; preferably in Sweden or in a changing room in a busy NY department store. Navalny was in jail for fraud, violating probation, and for being a ‘foreign agent’ (the money thing).

    But no “politicals”, that’s so 20th century…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow

    Good quality sarcasm, bravo!

  584. @AP
    @Mikel


    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I wouldn’t be convicted of fraud for that in a million years.
     

    Probably. But would it be fraud or not? If you told the bank that your farm was 3 times larger than it actually was, for the purpose of getting a larger loan than you would have gotten?

    The bank would triple-check the veracity of my claims and approve or decline the loan based solely on their findings.

     

    Probably. And what if they failed to find that you were defrauding them and you got away with it? Or what if they had a relationship with you and looked the other way, knowing that you would pay off the loan anyways? Corrupt sweetheart deals aren't uncommon, I assume. But what may be informally acceptable in the shady world of New York property development may, for the beneficiaries of such corruption, be more dangerous and likely to be exposed when its practitioners go into national politics.

    A fraud conviction for that would only happen in the current US if I became a prominent politician with very politically incorrect ideas and people with lots of power managed to find some prosecutor corrupt enough to apply to me a blatantly different standard to that of the rest of the citizenry.
     
    The corruption and double standards can go both ways. Maybe a regular citizen or small-time landlord would not have been able to get away with obtaining loans based on fraud as Trump was able to do over the years in corrupt New York.

    Your line of reasoning seems to suggest that if someone becomes politically relevant they should be immune to prosecution for fraud even if they actually did it, because of the likelihood that the prosecution may be politically motivated. Well, the solution to that would be to grant immunity from prosecution for any political candidate or holder of public office. This is how it was done in Ukraine. The result was that all sorts of criminals ran for public office, being motivated by the desire for immunity from prosecution. Political campaigns were good investments for their ill-gotten gains. The Donald Trump phenomenon really is the post-Sovietization of American politics. He's our Fico, Yanukovich, Poroshenko, or Orban.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Probably. But would it be fraud or not?

    The question is not whether a politically motivated AG who campaigned on the promise to convict Trump could possibly find some statute somewhere to enact her political revenge. I don’t have the slightest interest in debating if this sham trial has found some such regulation or not. It’s irrelevant.

    I think it was the Romans who developed the concept of equality under the law. Even a society that practiced wholesale slavery understood that this principle is not only just but also practical to maintain social peace. If the existing laws are applied arbitrarily people lose all trust in the political/judicial system and chaos ensues. This is what is happening right now with many people in the US.

    It’s extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution. She’s clearly making it more corrupt by applying the law according to her political animosities.

    I understand why you want Nikki to be the nominee, you’ve explained it very clearly. I would have also preferred DeSantis or Vivek to win the race but not at any cost. Whatever the advantages of one candidate over another (probably not many), it’s insane to destroy the basic principles of how a society functions.

    And, regardless of any political considerations, it must have been a very long time since you last applied for a loan or a mortgage because you sound rather clueless of how banks operate. They sure make you fill in your paperwork and declare all your income and assets but they would be crazy to base their credit decisions on that information. You don’t really think that you can get a loan by just stating that your income is 3 times what it actually is, do you? Now, this is all compounded when we talk about business loans. I know how it works because I’ve seen it with my own eyes and there is a reason why banks very seldom lose money on business loans. You try to paint the most rosy picture of your business project that you can and then the bank accepts or declines your request based entirely on their own risk evaluation.

    I’ve even witnessed one of those rare occasions when a bank loses money with a business loan. It was some sort of a scam where the project was to build a lumber mill in rural Nicaragua. When everything was approved it turned out that the mill was located next to a forest considered sacred by the native tribe living nearby. It was impossible to build anything. My father’s partners, who didn’t have any idea about the tribe, also lost some collateral but even then I remember that the loses were not catastrophic for anyone. These international projects always involve some public guarantor. Besides, the bank made money on the part of the project where my father was involved.

    If prosecutors started convicting every person who gives inaccurate information in a loan application, the justice system would simply collapse from one day to the other, along with business operations. New York has just set a disastrous precedent that may cost the state a lot of money long term.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    The question is not whether a politically motivated AG who campaigned on the promise to convict Trump could possibly find some statute somewhere to enact her political revenge. I don’t have the slightest interest in debating if this sham trial has found some such regulation or not. It’s irrelevant.
     
    Whether or not he committed a crime is very relevant as to whether he should be convicted of doing so.

    I think it was the Romans who developed the concept of equality under the law. Even a society that practiced wholesale slavery understood that this principle is not only just but also practical to maintain social peace. If the existing laws are applied arbitrarily
     
    But in this case they are not applied arbitrarily (which means, on the basis of random choice or personal whim). Famous people in positions of power are systematically scrutinized more heavily than those who are not. The Clintons weren't investigated until they became major national political figures. The principle is: the more important you become, the cleaner your record had better be. This is neither arbitrary nor unfair. If this means that people from inherently corrupt industries, or people with skeletons in their closets, or people from universally corrupt business climates are kept out of power - so be it. Thanks to the 2 party system, we can expect Republicans to investigate Democrats and vice versa.

    people lose all trust in the political/judicial system and chaos ensues
     
    Because really corrupt people get prosecuted when they come closer to power?

    Do you think that people from the other political side won't lose trust if they see an incredibly corrupt New York developer gain the presidency despite his corrupt business practices, and nobody investigates or prosecutes him because as a political candidate he's deemed untouchable?

    This is what is happening right now with many people in the US.
     
    What's happening in the USA is that due to the erosion of standards and morals open corruption of various kinds that would never have been tolerated now is, by people of both parties. This is more jarring when coming from people claiming to be conservative. People have become willing to vote for those who commit serial fraud, who cheat on their wife over and over again (starting from Clinton, of course), etc. Do you doubt that if Don Jr. did what Hunter Biden did, most MAGAtards would excuse his behavior?

    If American society were healthier, people like Trump or Clinton would never have made it past the primaries because their moral failings and corruption would have rendered them politically untouchable once their dirt was exposed.

    It’s extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution
     
    So you think if she sent, for example, one robber to prison rather than no robbers to prison the streets wouldn't be at least a little safer, even if her prosecution was based on political reasons? Maybe Trump's ordeals will cause other corrupt businessmen to think twice before using their money to run for office. This probably makes politics a little less corrupt.

    And, regardless of any political considerations, it must have been a very long time since you last applied for a loan or a mortgage because you sound rather clueless of how banks operate.
     
    I refinanced a few years ago, when interest rates close to their lowest. Thank God for fixed rates :-)

    They sure make you fill in your paperwork and declare all your income and assets but they would be crazy to base their credit decisions on that information.
     
    Sure, and I would be crazy or criminal if I claimed my house was twice the size it actually was in the hope of getting much more money than I was entitled to. But "little guys" like me don't have cozy relationships with certain bankers, who would be willing overlook such lies and get me money. The corruption that allowed Trump to do what he did systematically over and over again operates for richer and better connected people than me and, maybe, people in more corrupt environments than my own. But at least, such corruption sees the light of day when it becomes important in national politics. That's better than nothing.

    If prosecutors started convicting every person who gives inaccurate information in a loan application
     
    In Trump's case it was a matter of doing it a lot, systematically.

    New York has just set a disastrous precedent that may cost the state a lot of money long term.
     
    The precedent seems to be - if you are up to your ears in corrupt business practices, stay out of political office.

    Can't say that this is a loss for the country.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mikel

    Rich men won in Roman courts.

  585. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    sodium fluoride is not.
     
    It is dangerous, if you inhale or ingest it. Small amounts, if pure. But I had the vague idea they were talking about skin, so I am not 100% sure they were talking about that method (there are 3).

    Used to have a chemistry teacher who once had a job at a water treatment plant. He said what impressed his boss was that he was the only one able to do rough logs in his head. But he was a very old guy, so probably before calculators.

    Replies: @A123

    A solid would require a mixing station. I think that liquid Fluorine Silicate acid is the most common additive. Much less hazardous than Hydro Fluoric acid. However, it is still a splash and fume risk.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    FSA seems pretty acidic - they must have been talking about it. Nasty stuff: can form into HF and attack glass, something HCl doesn't do.

    Though, based on the size of the place (small), it seems more common to use a salt.

  586. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you . As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies
     
    No, in 2024, you wreck everything everywhere you go. And leave ruins and burned bodies. Anything good that you have ever created is immediately canceled out by this.

    Keep demonstrating to the whole world what despicable creatures you are that have to constantly self-congratulate and boast. I have been to several Arctic cities - including in Norway, that were in excellent shape.

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony in the Arctic together with the worst types of animals - mass murderers, etc. The biggest question is why so many of you are incarcerated and for such crimes.

    Nobody wants you. Losers like MAGA will talk a big talk and praise you, but will never live there with you. You will remain alone. You will die alone.

    And don't even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @LT1488

    penal colony in the Arctic

    As you are a wakjob reject – you keep on repeating this Arctic thing, then when told by others that plenty of people live in the Arctic – you pretend you weren’t trying to misinform that “Arctic=cold=certain death” BS – as you are a habitual liar wakjob reject.
    Sending him North is a perfectly normal thing to do in an area where 1 million+ Russians live you idiot.

    He is a criminal who has incited mass disorder. It is absolutely STANDARD practice EVERYWHERE in the world to send to some of the strictest prisons those who have the ability to incite mass riots and disorder – the worst possible thing in a prison. Unsurprisingly the strictest prison has the most notorious criminals, and notorious criminals are often violent you dumb POS.
    Yashin, Kara-murza etc. don’t have “talent” for inciting mass disorder…..so not sent there.
    Navalny can only incite 1% of the population, but 1% of 147 million is a big number and his actions have incited alot of people to break the law, damage property and injure police, cause chaos at public holiday events with children directly there .

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony

    Its a non-contest you retarded bullshitter – Latvia is a political terror-state . Russia is a free country with a population 70 times more than Latvia – but the political prisoners in Latvia is far more than 1/70th of those in Russia . All that with us involved in SMO, undercurrent of the Chechen issue still has many Chechen “activists” who support the terrorist side, west funding the worst liberast scum and millions of Russians having family involved with Banderastan.

    Russia puts in prison liberast “activists” for actual criminal activity………and it also puts in prison Russian ethno-nationalists for inciting violence, who would consider themselves political prisoners.
    Digusting evil shitholes like Latvia, full of sewerats as yourself……have criminally pursued and jailed several of the pro-Russian activists you dumb tramp. Journalists, activists,pensioners, women all repressed, had significant time in jail. Since SMO – off the scale the numbers – for something these Baltic earthworms aren’t even involved in.

    For the Latvian Nazi excrement, how many are facing criminal prosecution and jailed for political activity that has gone too far – into inciting violence, inciting disorder, infringing human rights of Russian people?………ZERO!!!!
    A statistical impossibility that not one Latvian nationalist involved in political activity has not gone into illegal actions- which just shows how deranged Latvian Nazi “justice” system is you reject.

    So many things in public, on internet, in courts that anti-government “activists” are allowed to do in Russia compared to their equivalents in Latvia you stupid prick.

    And don’t even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.

    One of those situations where you know you are lying about our heroes, we know that you are lying, you know that we know you are lying…….but you narcissistically put this garbage there anyway………particularly as subhuman dogshit as yourself has pleasured yourself at actual and numerous videos of Ukronazi satanic vermin doing these actions.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Gerard1234

    You yourself don't realize how mentally ill you are - clear proof, you need to be contained. Big thanks to those who are doing that right now.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  587. @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    penal colony in the Arctic
     
    As you are a wakjob reject - you keep on repeating this Arctic thing, then when told by others that plenty of people live in the Arctic - you pretend you weren't trying to misinform that "Arctic=cold=certain death" BS - as you are a habitual liar wakjob reject.
    Sending him North is a perfectly normal thing to do in an area where 1 million+ Russians live you idiot.

    He is a criminal who has incited mass disorder. It is absolutely STANDARD practice EVERYWHERE in the world to send to some of the strictest prisons those who have the ability to incite mass riots and disorder - the worst possible thing in a prison. Unsurprisingly the strictest prison has the most notorious criminals, and notorious criminals are often violent you dumb POS.
    Yashin, Kara-murza etc. don't have "talent" for inciting mass disorder.....so not sent there.
    Navalny can only incite 1% of the population, but 1% of 147 million is a big number and his actions have incited alot of people to break the law, damage property and injure police, cause chaos at public holiday events with children directly there .

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony
     
    Its a non-contest you retarded bullshitter - Latvia is a political terror-state . Russia is a free country with a population 70 times more than Latvia - but the political prisoners in Latvia is far more than 1/70th of those in Russia . All that with us involved in SMO, undercurrent of the Chechen issue still has many Chechen "activists" who support the terrorist side, west funding the worst liberast scum and millions of Russians having family involved with Banderastan.

    Russia puts in prison liberast "activists" for actual criminal activity.........and it also puts in prison Russian ethno-nationalists for inciting violence, who would consider themselves political prisoners.
    Digusting evil shitholes like Latvia, full of sewerats as yourself......have criminally pursued and jailed several of the pro-Russian activists you dumb tramp. Journalists, activists,pensioners, women all repressed, had significant time in jail. Since SMO - off the scale the numbers - for something these Baltic earthworms aren't even involved in.

    For the Latvian Nazi excrement, how many are facing criminal prosecution and jailed for political activity that has gone too far - into inciting violence, inciting disorder, infringing human rights of Russian people?.........ZERO!!!!
    A statistical impossibility that not one Latvian nationalist involved in political activity has not gone into illegal actions- which just shows how deranged Latvian Nazi "justice" system is you reject.

    So many things in public, on internet, in courts that anti-government "activists" are allowed to do in Russia compared to their equivalents in Latvia you stupid prick.

    And don’t even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.
     
    One of those situations where you know you are lying about our heroes, we know that you are lying, you know that we know you are lying.......but you narcissistically put this garbage there anyway.........particularly as subhuman dogshit as yourself has pleasured yourself at actual and numerous videos of Ukronazi satanic vermin doing these actions.

    Replies: @LatW

    You yourself don’t realize how mentally ill you are – clear proof, you need to be contained. Big thanks to those who are doing that right now.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @LatW

    The only good thing about Latvian sh*thole "justice " system? I am giving serious effort to make Interpol application to have Mr Hack/Oksana Liberman's son extradited to Russia for his hideous comments involving myself with Liberace internet "jokes".

    Latvian system is that hopeless, and Hacks crimes are that big (terrorism) - I believe there is a massive chance it could be successful if he ever arrives in Latvia. President of Latvia is a homo also as Liberace.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  588. @A123
    @songbird

    A solid would require a mixing station. I think that liquid Fluorine Silicate acid is the most common additive. Much less hazardous than Hydro Fluoric acid. However, it is still a splash and fume risk.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    FSA seems pretty acidic – they must have been talking about it. Nasty stuff: can form into HF and attack glass, something HCl doesn’t do.

    Though, based on the size of the place (small), it seems more common to use a salt.

  589. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?”
     
    Maybe because there are no separate prisons - the West also doesn't have them. It has also been a long time since anyone has been sent to prison as "political". Everyone uses other convenient laws.

    Publishing government secrets is a popular one - both Assange and Navalny, possibly Trump and his posse. Vandalism and blocking government functions are also big, 1,000 sentenced in Washington. I hear that lately even mis-numbering floors in one's hotel could be criminal in US, f..ing creative, I hope Jim Il Kun is paying attention.

    When all else fails there is always the "unwanted sexual advance"; preferably in Sweden or in a changing room in a busy NY department store. Navalny was in jail for fraud, violating probation, and for being a 'foreign agent' (the money thing).

    But no "politicals", that's so 20th century...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Good quality sarcasm, bravo!

    • Thanks: Beckow
  590. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    You should consider the feelings and opinions of mothers, they are a large part of the population. Much, much larger than the pedos and contributing way more to society and on individual level. This pedo thing just makes their life harder.

     

    Well, I think that even unproductive members of society--such as, say, the ghetto underclass--should have their interests be taken into account to some extent just so long as doing this won't be harmful to the rest of society. Ditto for pedophiles (and hebephiles, et cetera).

    Interestingly enough, the US Supreme Court appears to think similarly to me in regards to this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

    Or at least did back in 2002. It has never ruled on the dolls question yet. Maybe it will in the future. Hopefully.


    Anyway… it looks like I might have to rescind your Latvian visa for now, sorry… (too much to process, your case requires special attention, it might take a few years). You know how this goes. 😉
    I think the best place for someone like you is SoCal, you probably won’t find a better place in the world for this type of stuff. Although the world might get crazier in the future – hopefully, not in Europe. Europe actually needs to go back and not ahead with this type of stuff. So no.
     
    Would you also support denying EU visas to those US Supreme Court Justices who supported having cartoon/animated child porn be legal in the 2002 US Supreme Court case mentioned above?

    Er…. why isn’t normal ageplay enough? I would say no to the above, it sounds a bit too crazy. I mean, people shouldn’t be arrested if they do this in private, but they shouldn’t put this online or in public. Just stick with Daddy/little. Why does one have to push boundaries so much?

     

    If they will hypothetically publish a book about this experience of theirs only for other adults, should this book be made illegal?

    Yes, I’m aware of this, this is why I find Western Putinophiles so repellent, because they will rarely move to Russia (or even learn the language). They only love Russia and Russians from afar (with very few exceptions). But, yes, it is good that Euro and Ukrainian nationalism attracts elite human capital, but it needs to be very carefully managed. Any elite human capital should be treated well, but they should be subordinate to the local nationalist interests.
     
    Agreed.

    BTW, it's quite interesting that even though Western right-wingers rarely learn Russian, they do sometimes convert to Russian Orthodoxy in order to "spite the libs":

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts

    Btw, have you seen the recent footage from NYC where the migrants were huddling together in large groups because there was nowhere to house them? Most of those were Sub Saharan Africans. Also, the footage from the Southern border – it is a very motley crowd there, not just South American Indians. There are Chinese, Africans of all sorts, possibly Russians even. They are finding fake Euro passports there. It’s a much bigger mess than you seem to realize.

     

    Well, TBH, I'd eagerly welcome the Chinese and Russians into the US, unless of course they were spies. But the Sub-Saharan Africans I'd only be eager to welcome if they were either cognitive elites or both genuine refugees (say, a gay Ugandan, for instance) and culturally compatible. Our own existing black underclass already gives us a large enough problem as it is, unfortunately. (Not all of our blacks actually belong to the underclass, but a large enough percentage of them do.)

    The SRs were probably better, although they are also quite far left (well, there was a left wave back then, they were called “Democrats” among people), but who knows how they would be once they got into power.

     

    Well, there were Right SRs, led by Viktor Chernov, and Left SRs, led by Maria Spiridonova. Both of them would have been better than Lenin and Stalin, no doubt, but I think that the Right SRs would have been the best of all since they appear to have been genuinely committed to democracy, human rights, freedoms and liberties, et cetera. In contrast, the Left SRs were willing to work with the Bolsheviks in real life before later turning on (rebelling against) them and thus getting purged by them.

    From the Russian nation building point of view, such a reunion would be good, or rather the incorporation of the “bourgeois democratic” parts of society in the “struggle” – however, those class differences were probably too vast. For example, in the Baltics, the bourgeois democratic actually had to win over the Bolsheviks (even if there were very strong social democratic currents prior to that for decades). So I’m not sure how they could unite. Think about it from the human perspective. We sometimes blame those people back then, but how would you treat someone who expects you to work 12 hours for a low salary? And screws you over in other ways. This was all still unresolved back then.

     

    Even if the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks don't reunite, it would still be an improvement for so long as the Bolsheviks are led by someone better than Lenin--or Stalin, for that matter.

    And Yes, I'm well-aware that Bolshevik and other socialist support in the early 20th century--and even right now, in some places--was based on people's very legitimate grievances and the apparent inability of the existing national governments and authorities to adequately address these grievances.

    This is true, of course. Assassinations in exile seem easier, but those, too, have to be well organized. Have you heard of those revolutionary terrorists right before the revolution, who went around assassinating Tsar’s people? Many of them were Jewish, there was even a woman! I used to think they were complete trash, but now that I think of it, especially in the context of today’s war, – they were really brave. LOL

     

    Well, a Jewish revolutionary killed Pyotr Stolypin in 1911. I'm unsure that doing this was actually a good idea/move, though. Killing Tsar Alexander II in 1881 was definitely a bad move since they ended up getting a worse Tsar in the form of his reactionary son Tsar Alexander III.

    I think that Tsarist Russia had an unusually severe terrorism problem relative to the rest of Europe before WWI because there were less legal avenues to achieve meaningful change there than there was in the rest of Europe, or at least in most of Europe. Thus the large-scale terrorism there was unfortunately understandable.

    Replies: @LatW

    Well, I think that even unproductive members of society–such as, say, the ghetto underclass–should have their interests be taken into account to some extent just so long as doing this won’t be harmful to the rest of society.

    Securing basic rights is something different from indulging or morally relativizing. There are countries such as Norway that already have rather lenient laws, best penitentiary systems in the world and a lot of rehabilitation. But this is because those populations are different culturally. And they do not indulge as much. There is also a difference between securing basic standards and mitigating harm vs “their interests”, as you say. These people’s interests should never be equal to the interests of, let’s say, mothers. And yet this is constantly being pushed. It will end badly. The signs are everywhere.

    [MORE]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

    I would have to look at this closer (if I have more time), but it is well known that in the US, free speech laws are often used as a cover for all kinds of degeneracy. The question is how far you want to go – we know that all the boundaries that have been pushed and broken so far, it has been harmful, yet this is still kept in place and taken even further. It doesn’t come without consequences and, as always, it is the weak who pay. You are simply not aware of these consequences.

    Would you also support denying EU visas to those US Supreme Court Justices who supported having cartoon/animated child porn be legal in the 2002 US Supreme Court case mentioned above?

    Yes, I would, because this is the last thing we need.

    If they will hypothetically publish a book about this experience of theirs only for other adults, should this book be made illegal?

    Yes. Anything involving images of children in that context should be illegal. And you know this, you’re pushing boundaries (like Jews often do). And btw there is already material out there, including on YoutTube, very easily accessible, that is borderline and it is not being censored. But then they have overly strict laws for other things, it is not balanced.

    BTW, it’s quite interesting that even though Western right-wingers rarely learn Russian, they do sometimes convert to Russian Orthodoxy in order to “spite the libs”:

    Those are fake and shallow Orthodoxes for the most part, and, yes, they do this for political, reactive reasons (has little to do with real spirituality). It’s funny how they then go around advertising their newfound religious “convictions” – something that is deeply private and should be kept to oneself. Sometimes these are dudes that used to be PUAs, I have no respect for such people. However, I once met one who seemed somewhat normal and genuine, he was a slightly artsy tech guy – he seemed kind of disturbed by some of the recent cultural shifts, so it seems that there is some genuine interest as well, but he was pro-Ukrainian and he also had Slavic roots (very long forgotten W.Slavic roots in his case), and he picked it over other somewhat “radical” religions (such as traditional Catholicism or Odinism).

    I wonder though where they’re going to get women, whether they import wives (as usual), or if Anglo women will sign up for this as well. I don’t see female Anglo trads going the Orthodox route, but more Catholic. I’m aware of some very conservative Dutch communities, they practice some strict kind of Protestantism (Reformed Church). There are options for those who want them.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Securing basic rights is something different from indulging or morally relativizing. There are countries such as Norway that already have rather lenient laws, best penitentiary systems in the world and a lot of rehabilitation. But this is because those populations are different culturally. And they do not indulge as much. There is also a difference between securing basic standards and mitigating harm vs “their interests”, as you say. These people’s interests should never be equal to the interests of, let’s say, mothers. And yet this is constantly being pushed. It will end badly. The signs are everywhere.
     
    Is it ending badly for the people of East Asia? AFAIK, cartoon/animated child porn is still legal there, as are child sex dolls. Definitely in Japan, at least. Has Japan gone to hell as a result of this? (Heck, even the possession of actual child abuse images (of actual children) was legal in Japan until 2014, which was going too far. I do think that it should be a misdemeanor rather than a felony, though, at least if one actually fully cooperates with the authorities.)

    I would have to look at this closer (if I have more time), but it is well known that in the US, free speech laws are often used as a cover for all kinds of degeneracy. The question is how far you want to go – we know that all the boundaries that have been pushed and broken so far, it has been harmful, yet this is still kept in place and taken even further. It doesn’t come without consequences and, as always, it is the weak who pay. You are simply not aware of these consequences.

     

    Western Europe doesn't have the First Amendment but still has a lot of degeneracy, does it not? Ditto for Canada, Australia, New Zealand, et cetera.

    Yes, I would, because this is the last thing we need.

     

    Interesting.

    Yes. Anything involving images of children in that context should be illegal. And you know this, you’re pushing boundaries (like Jews often do). And btw there is already material out there, including on YoutTube, very easily accessible, that is borderline and it is not being censored. But then they have overly strict laws for other things, it is not balanced.
     
    What about a book about this topic without any images?

    And what you wrote about YouTube intrigues me. I wonder what kind of stuff you're talking about here. It's not to my own taste, of course, but I do wonder if it's similar to what drag kid Desmond Napoles was doing in his younger years. Or if it's even more graphic, like children wearing bikinis. But Yeah, definitely not my own taste. I strongly prefer adults and have no attraction to prepubescent children whatsoever.


    Those are fake and shallow Orthodoxes for the most part, and, yes, they do this for political, reactive reasons (has little to do with real spirituality). It’s funny how they then go around advertising their newfound religious “convictions” – something that is deeply private and should be kept to oneself. Sometimes these are dudes that used to be PUAs, I have no respect for such people. However, I once met one who seemed somewhat normal and genuine, he was a slightly artsy tech guy – he seemed kind of disturbed by some of the recent cultural shifts, so it seems that there is some genuine interest as well, but he was pro-Ukrainian and he also had Slavic roots (very long forgotten W.Slavic roots in his case), and he picked it over other somewhat “radical” religions (such as traditional Catholicism or Odinism).

    I wonder though where they’re going to get women, whether they import wives (as usual), or if Anglo women will sign up for this as well. I don’t see female Anglo trads going the Orthodox route, but more Catholic. I’m aware of some very conservative Dutch communities, they practice some strict kind of Protestantism (Reformed Church). There are options for those who want them.
     

    Very interesting; thanks! A lot of interesting information and details in here!

    BTW, I suspect that even a lot of Russians are fake and shallow Orthodoxes. But not Ukrainians, other than perhaps in eastern and southern Ukraine.

    , @Coconuts
    @LatW


    I wonder though where they’re going to get women, whether they import wives (as usual), or if Anglo women will sign up for this as well.
     
    That's an interesting point but true, most of the Anglo trad women do seem to gravitate towards Catholicism and the more robust versions of Protestantism. I would guess because these churches have more irl presence and accessible communities in Anglo countries.

    Looking back around 10-12 years ago, if you were into trad lifestyle, Orthodox spirituality and could speak Russian, finding a wife would probably not have been difficult, in Belarus there always seemed to be more young women in the Orthodox churches than young men. But this was before these things had become online memes so much.

  591. @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    Tucker is a limited hangout and is very mixed. In the distant past he could have been part of the pro-Czar moneyed elite working to bring in Communism. When the Bolsheviks trashed everything he would have bailed out to Europe. Eventually he would have understood the error of his ways.

    I think he speaks out against wars in lots of places including Ukraine. He recognizes the Ukrainian mess is a war of empire, in this case the West against Russia. He also recognizes that modern warfare is extremely dangerous and most people have more to lose than in previous imperial machinations. He is from a monied strata which feeds on corruption, so he has no illusions about rampant corruption on all sides.

    His purpose with the Moscow work is to give some remedial education to the Western masses who know NOTHING about Russia. Considering the stakes for this conflict, this is a noble purpose.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    There isn’t justification for the mediocre quality of Carlson’s report about Auchan, considering he is the highest income journalist in America.

    I guess, he made one useful observation in the report, about how they still sell Snickers. Another good thing, was not to censor the price on the cash register’s screen. 9500 rubles was pretty high for someone who was buying the cheapest unbranded things in Auchan. His hypothesis the prices for those products would be higher in the USA probably shows he doesn’t shop personally, maybe sends his personal assistant to buy imported European products in Whole Foods.

    His observation about the “fresh Russian bread” was almost like satire of a person who doesn’t understand about “fake bread” in supermarkets.

    I looked for a report about Auchan. I found an excellent report about Auchan on Youtube.

    She visits a large Auchan in Ekaterinburg (at the highway to Perm). I’ll add some comments from what she says. Generally, she is speaking correctly.

    2:30 – She is not balanced to complain about the pet food at Auchan in Ekaterinburg, you would see so much pet food in Europe. It’s because Russia has the highest rate of cat ownership from any country in the world.

    4:00 – This is all a new situation from the sanctions. Coca-Cola was common in Russia until recently.

    5:30 – Nestle doesn’t really price-gorge Russia. It’s just the same prices as Europe.

    5:50 – All this Oreo stuff is pretty new in Russia. In my memory it wasn’t even selling when I left Russia (around 9 years ago). I still haven’t eaten Oreos.

    9:00 – Nutella price is mostly the same as Europe. Nutella should always cost more because they use a high ratio of real ingredients (hazelnuts).

    12:20 – There are the cheap “baked” things which Carlson has been excited about as “fresh bread”. It’s all less than $1.

    13:50 – She doesn’t explain about the cheese ban. It was 2014 they banned the European cheese imports as a kind of “counter-sanction”. It means the share of the market goes to local producers, many owned by friendly oligarchs.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry


    She doesn’t explain about the cheese ban.
     
    I have to comment about Russian cheeses. I’ve been tasting Russian-produced cheese out of curiosity for 6-7 years during my annual visits. In the last 3-4 years the quality went way up. Now you can buy locally produced cheeses that can compete with the best French and Italian varieties. As cheese-producing culture takes decades to develop, I think the only viable hypothesis is that some French or Italian cheese makers moved their production along with know-how to Russia to avoid sanctions.

    The same applies to vines: local production moved from mediocre vines (California level) to really good ones. Again, this was only possible so quickly if some French, Italian, or Spanish producers started making vines in Russia using their know-how.
    , @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    There are many YouTube videos showing the nice products in big city Russian supermarkets as well as many others showing scarcity in rural stores. You can guess which Unz commenters link to which videos!

    Some people may be missing the point of Tucker's videos showing ordinary life in Moscow. Much of his audience has no idea of what goes on in Russia or how contemporary Russians live. Many over-50 people in the US may still remember the amazement of Yeltsin and others in US grocery stores around 1990, so showing video from a nice Moscow supermarket could be an eye opener for many people. The anti-Russia drumbeat is very similar to the anti-Soviet drumbeat and surely evokes old memories and notions in many people. If the Russian people are seen as backward and oppressed it is easier to polarize Americans against the Russian government. Never mind that any actions taken by the West against the Russian government are inevitably bad for the average Russian citizen! Tucker's videos are designed to humanize ordinary Russians so their personal stakes in the Ukraine conflict gain some validity.

    There are plenty of US citizens who do understand contemporary life in Russia and hate it for reasons of their own, but these folks don't watch Tucker! Many of them are Masha Gessen sympathizing liberals who want to turn Russia into some version of the liberal woke West. Others probably hate Russia because it does have some great things which apparently grew from a Czarist and Communist history, which challenges the founding myths of the USA.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry

  592. @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    There isn't justification for the mediocre quality of Carlson's report about Auchan, considering he is the highest income journalist in America.

    I guess, he made one useful observation in the report, about how they still sell Snickers. Another good thing, was not to censor the price on the cash register's screen. 9500 rubles was pretty high for someone who was buying the cheapest unbranded things in Auchan. His hypothesis the prices for those products would be higher in the USA probably shows he doesn't shop personally, maybe sends his personal assistant to buy imported European products in Whole Foods.

    His observation about the "fresh Russian bread" was almost like satire of a person who doesn't understand about "fake bread" in supermarkets.

    -

    I looked for a report about Auchan. I found an excellent report about Auchan on Youtube.

    She visits a large Auchan in Ekaterinburg (at the highway to Perm). I'll add some comments from what she says. Generally, she is speaking correctly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=appV1ldy_Sg

    2:30 - She is not balanced to complain about the pet food at Auchan in Ekaterinburg, you would see so much pet food in Europe. It's because Russia has the highest rate of cat ownership from any country in the world.

    4:00 - This is all a new situation from the sanctions. Coca-Cola was common in Russia until recently.

    5:30 - Nestle doesn't really price-gorge Russia. It's just the same prices as Europe.

    5:50 - All this Oreo stuff is pretty new in Russia. In my memory it wasn't even selling when I left Russia (around 9 years ago). I still haven't eaten Oreos.

    9:00 - Nutella price is mostly the same as Europe. Nutella should always cost more because they use a high ratio of real ingredients (hazelnuts).

    12:20 - There are the cheap "baked" things which Carlson has been excited about as "fresh bread". It's all less than $1.

    13:50 - She doesn't explain about the cheese ban. It was 2014 they banned the European cheese imports as a kind of "counter-sanction". It means the share of the market goes to local producers, many owned by friendly oligarchs.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    She doesn’t explain about the cheese ban.

    I have to comment about Russian cheeses. I’ve been tasting Russian-produced cheese out of curiosity for 6-7 years during my annual visits. In the last 3-4 years the quality went way up. Now you can buy locally produced cheeses that can compete with the best French and Italian varieties. As cheese-producing culture takes decades to develop, I think the only viable hypothesis is that some French or Italian cheese makers moved their production along with know-how to Russia to avoid sanctions.

    The same applies to vines: local production moved from mediocre vines (California level) to really good ones. Again, this was only possible so quickly if some French, Italian, or Spanish producers started making vines in Russia using their know-how.

  593. @AP
    @Beckow


    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.
     
    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?

    I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace, and that if Trump hadn't gotten involved in politics nobody would have cared or investigated. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by some mob-adjacent activities in his past, either. But then such people probably shouldn't run for office, given the fact that they probably have a history of regularly breaking the law. There's a Ukrainian expression - тихше їдеш, дальше будеш (the quieter you go, the further you'll get). Corrupt builders with lots of skeletons in their closets probably shouldn't get into politics where their every move will be scrutinized. Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open - although cheating hasn't harmed Trump.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    Bimbo degeneracy in your post, once again, extreme.

    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?

    1. Its absolutely IMPOSSIBLE in any civilised and sane country to be charge with this fake crime if the loan hasn’t been defaulted on/company filed for bankruptcy. It would be like stopping and investigating for drink-driving someone who wasn’t driving erratically or very fast.
    Any investigation before charge would require complaint from bank – who are only going to do that for a defaulting client you stupid moron.

    Even Ukrop court “system” would not do this. Its against universal principles of justice. I suppose as you have never been to Europe, are addicted to writing BS, are addicted to promoting the genre of American BS like the heap of dung you are…..you will be clueless to these world-accepted principles.

    2. For somebody claiming to be a billionaire for decades, the American/NY state tax authorities have zero extra incentive to investigate his tax activities, just because he could be President. It is the peak of corruption and dumbness for any tax issue to be “discovered “now. A career politician with various lobbying business interests should expect extra scrutiny on their tax records the higher they progress in politics……..Trump should have had that extra scrutiny every second for the last 30 years if the tax authorities were competent or not corrupt. As a politician campaigning on lower taxes, most American expect him to use every method allowed to not pay taxes.

    3. Valuation of a property at $400M when most others are claiming the property/asset is $200M is about a million times more subjective than someone claiming there house is $400k, when most claim its $200K. There are 100’s of 1000’s , maybe millions of houses in America each with values of 400k and 200k – so there is abundant objective data there, abundant precedent on what a 400k house is and what a 200k is.

    There is NONE of that for a 400M vs 200M asset- it’s so subjective and Trump can always claim credibly that some wealthy Arab or typical scumbag ukrop oligarch like Poroshenko-Valtsman is begging to pay a hypothetical $400M. It should be completely impossible to indict him on “overinflating his assets” once the value reaches a certain level.

    4. Concept of “same rule for everyone” in this example is total nonsense . That is comparing “blind” loan giving of the bank to a normal client……..with someone the biggest banks in the world in the worlds banking centre have had deep relationship for 40 years – giving size of loans that 0.0000001% of worlds banking clients receive. A client who they are giving loans of such size to , that the CEO’s, board of governers, managers, Chairman could all have to resign out of incompetence if he defaulted. Paperwork application is completely irrelevant and should be impossible to investigate as fraud – because its always going to be their own judgement of his assets worth, approved at executive level – his ability to pay and earn the bank millions back in interest.

    For the “normal” person with normal loans – if he is unable to pay, the culpability of executive or medium level management is zero.

    There’s a Ukrainian expression

    HAHAHAHAHA! Enough of this ridiculous act you delinquent, dilapidated compulsive liar idiot. Just WTF

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234

    You are the perfect example and product of Soviet corruption, thanks for advertising it.

  594. @LatW
    @Gerard1234

    You yourself don't realize how mentally ill you are - clear proof, you need to be contained. Big thanks to those who are doing that right now.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    The only good thing about Latvian sh*thole “justice ” system? I am giving serious effort to make Interpol application to have Mr Hack/Oksana Liberman’s son extradited to Russia for his hideous comments involving myself with Liberace internet “jokes”.

    Latvian system is that hopeless, and Hacks crimes are that big (terrorism) – I believe there is a massive chance it could be successful if he ever arrives in Latvia. President of Latvia is a homo also as Liberace.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    I am giving serious effort to make Interpol application to have Mr Hack/Oksana Liberman’s son extradited to Russia for his hideous comments involving myself with Liberace internet “jokes”.
     
    All that you need to do is to ask me to stop. I think that you actually appreciated my jokes, because, after all, I was making comparisons between you and the Great Liberace. You would actually consider taking me before an international tribunal, the one and only guy here that went to bat for you when Karlin would ban you from posting comments here? What a short memory you have...
  595. @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    There isn't justification for the mediocre quality of Carlson's report about Auchan, considering he is the highest income journalist in America.

    I guess, he made one useful observation in the report, about how they still sell Snickers. Another good thing, was not to censor the price on the cash register's screen. 9500 rubles was pretty high for someone who was buying the cheapest unbranded things in Auchan. His hypothesis the prices for those products would be higher in the USA probably shows he doesn't shop personally, maybe sends his personal assistant to buy imported European products in Whole Foods.

    His observation about the "fresh Russian bread" was almost like satire of a person who doesn't understand about "fake bread" in supermarkets.

    -

    I looked for a report about Auchan. I found an excellent report about Auchan on Youtube.

    She visits a large Auchan in Ekaterinburg (at the highway to Perm). I'll add some comments from what she says. Generally, she is speaking correctly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=appV1ldy_Sg

    2:30 - She is not balanced to complain about the pet food at Auchan in Ekaterinburg, you would see so much pet food in Europe. It's because Russia has the highest rate of cat ownership from any country in the world.

    4:00 - This is all a new situation from the sanctions. Coca-Cola was common in Russia until recently.

    5:30 - Nestle doesn't really price-gorge Russia. It's just the same prices as Europe.

    5:50 - All this Oreo stuff is pretty new in Russia. In my memory it wasn't even selling when I left Russia (around 9 years ago). I still haven't eaten Oreos.

    9:00 - Nutella price is mostly the same as Europe. Nutella should always cost more because they use a high ratio of real ingredients (hazelnuts).

    12:20 - There are the cheap "baked" things which Carlson has been excited about as "fresh bread". It's all less than $1.

    13:50 - She doesn't explain about the cheese ban. It was 2014 they banned the European cheese imports as a kind of "counter-sanction". It means the share of the market goes to local producers, many owned by friendly oligarchs.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    There are many YouTube videos showing the nice products in big city Russian supermarkets as well as many others showing scarcity in rural stores. You can guess which Unz commenters link to which videos!

    Some people may be missing the point of Tucker’s videos showing ordinary life in Moscow. Much of his audience has no idea of what goes on in Russia or how contemporary Russians live. Many over-50 people in the US may still remember the amazement of Yeltsin and others in US grocery stores around 1990, so showing video from a nice Moscow supermarket could be an eye opener for many people. The anti-Russia drumbeat is very similar to the anti-Soviet drumbeat and surely evokes old memories and notions in many people. If the Russian people are seen as backward and oppressed it is easier to polarize Americans against the Russian government. Never mind that any actions taken by the West against the Russian government are inevitably bad for the average Russian citizen! Tucker’s videos are designed to humanize ordinary Russians so their personal stakes in the Ukraine conflict gain some validity.

    There are plenty of US citizens who do understand contemporary life in Russia and hate it for reasons of their own, but these folks don’t watch Tucker! Many of them are Masha Gessen sympathizing liberals who want to turn Russia into some version of the liberal woke West. Others probably hate Russia because it does have some great things which apparently grew from a Czarist and Communist history, which challenges the founding myths of the USA.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @QCIC

    A local friend of mine whose family left Russia in the 90's just had parents who visited family in Russia, around Novgorod. His parents felt that quality of life seemed very good in Russia, and that sanctions had produced minimal negative effects for most. If anything it seemed like sanctions had produced some positive effects in stimulating more local businesses to ramp up production.

    They also observed that support for Putin actually seemed notably higher than the last time they visited several years ago.

    It's all anecdotal and small sample size, but there it is for what it's worth. They certainly didn't think that Putin or Russia was any worse for American pressure.

    , @Dmitry
    @QCIC


    showing scarcity in rural stores.
     
    There hasn't been scarcity for decades. The issue is affordability. That's one of the things Carlson's trolley had. He could spend 6 days of the populations' median salary on the trolley with boxes of "Unicorn" and "Mini Mills" cereals (it's not some kind of luxury organic foods).

    point of Tucker’s videos showing ordinary life in Moscow.
     
    He wasn't showing ordinary life in Moscow. He was talking about America. This comment I remember most of his report at 1:25 "The low carb lifestyle has not swept Russia thank heaven".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7p2um4uLI

    He believes "low carb lifestyle has swept America".

    I doubt this is true. Low carb lifestyle has not swept America. The problem in America is not lack of low quality processed foods.

    But, in the upper class circle in America, where he exists, it's possible "low carb lifestyle has swept".

    "Everyone is eating organic avocado toast. I wish we had more refined carbohydrate"

    For his viewers, that go to Walmart, I think they have no problem attaining to refined carbohydrates, reheated factory bread and boxes of unbranded cereals like in the Auchan.


    r the amazement of Yeltsin and others in US grocery stores around 1990, so showing video from a nice Moscow supermarket

     

    In normal times, excluding crisis years, the USSR had many quality food products available for people. The food culture was copied in some extent from America. Anastas Mikoyan studied the American food industry during the 1930s. But, there were more strict regulations for the quality of the ingredients compared with today. Bread was regulated fresh not like the reheated bread in Auchan, milk was from glass bottles (unlike the plastic bottles in Russia now which give bad taste to the milk), the Kievan cake was made in Kiev.

    these folks don’t watch Tucker! Many of them are Masha Gessen sympathizing liberals who want to turn Russia into some version of the liberal woke West. Others probably hate Russia because it does have some great things which apparently grew from a Czarist and Communist

     

    Russia isn't much different from the West in those quotidian aspects. Rates of Westernization have increased after 2014. I would say the vision of life "Big Yellow Taxi", but in the wider context we shouldn't complain, there are a lot more important problems in the world than a few parking lots.

    Replies: @AP

  596. I watched the Tucker Carlson Putin interview yesterday, which was wildly amusing. Watching Putin troll Tucker for 2 hours was pretty priceless.

    I’m not really familiar with Tucker since I don’t have cable and don’t pay attention to “news” personalities. Is he always that stupid? Also does he always have such dumb punchable facial expressions?

    I can’t believe that he met with Putin in the Kremlin for two hours and couldn’t muster anything but a collection of banal non-sequiturs. I used to think that Megyn Kelly looked dumb when she interviewed Putin a few years back, but (if memory serves) she looked like a real perspicacious thespian compared to Tucker.

    I wish Putin would open up a comedy club where he roasts people. I would go see that. The part of the interview where Putin burned Tucker over getting rejected by the CIA was pure comedic gold.

    Putin came off really well. Whether or not one agrees with any of the man’s positions I think you have to admit that he is razor sharp, articulate, and subtle. All around a true realpolitik figure in the Bismarkian mold.

    With American politics being dominated by the moronic and the inarticulate it really makes one wish that we could have any politicians who could express coherent thoughts like Putin can. Like him or hate him, the man is brilliant.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    Talking after the Carlson interview, Putin says he is surprised, Carlson just listened to him speaking patiently, while Putin was preparing to answer more difficult questions from the journalist.

    Putin says he had wanted to discuss about Jewish pogroms in the Russian empire, after Blinken (Secretary of State Biden administration) saying his great-grandparents have escaped from the Russian empire. But, Putin says Blinken's family was from Kiev, Blinken believes that Ukraine didn't exist then. In this way, Blinken is "our man".

    Putin says Russian and Jewish youth tried to counter the pogroms, also the Russian authorities.

    They discuss Baerbock (German external minister) has a Nazi grandfather, Putin says the modern Germans don't have full responsibility for the crimes of Nazi Germany. Putin says there should be anti-fascist, anti-Nazi propaganda on a global level.

    Putin says he didn't notice anything mentally deficient about Biden when they met.

    Putin says Trump's position asking NATO members to pay more isn't significant. NATO doesn't have use.

    Putin believes when the West sees that "fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian" is not working, they will start to make adjustments. Putin says this is question of the art of politics, which is the art of compromising.

    , @A123
    @Barbarossa


    does he always have such dumb punchable facial expressions?
     
    I believe Tucker has minimal experience with foreign language interviews. Without emotion in the translated voice, his timing was badly off. Mannerisms that usually come across as brief & comedic instead were held for far too long and appeared dopey.

    Putin came off really well. Whether or not one agrees with any of the man’s positions I think you have to admit that he is razor sharp, articulate, and subtle. All around a true realpolitik figure in the Bismarkian mold.
     
    Putin would have done better without the overly long history lecture in the opening. Other than that he made his points well. There need to be more lengthy sit down interviews where it will all be played.

    The American problem is that almost everything is heavily cut to fit a time slot. Then the piece is further sliced and diced for sound bites. U.S. politicians necessarily concentrate on managing those 5-7 second chunks that will receive 90% of the coverage. Trump is a master at this technique.

    Rush Limbaugh repeatedly refused taped interviews that would be cut down. He countered with offers of live sessions where nothing could be taken out of context. The manipulative Fake Stream Media, of course, rarely (never?) accepted.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    With American politics being dominated by the moronic and the inarticulate it really makes one wish that we could have any politicians who could express coherent thoughts like Putin can. Like him or hate him, the man is brilliant.
     
    I think “brilliant” is an overstatement. Your preceding sentence explains your reaction. Putin is simply educated and intelligent. Of course, next to woefully ignorant Western “leaders” ranging from stupid to demented he would look brilliant.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Barbarossa

  597. @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    There are many YouTube videos showing the nice products in big city Russian supermarkets as well as many others showing scarcity in rural stores. You can guess which Unz commenters link to which videos!

    Some people may be missing the point of Tucker's videos showing ordinary life in Moscow. Much of his audience has no idea of what goes on in Russia or how contemporary Russians live. Many over-50 people in the US may still remember the amazement of Yeltsin and others in US grocery stores around 1990, so showing video from a nice Moscow supermarket could be an eye opener for many people. The anti-Russia drumbeat is very similar to the anti-Soviet drumbeat and surely evokes old memories and notions in many people. If the Russian people are seen as backward and oppressed it is easier to polarize Americans against the Russian government. Never mind that any actions taken by the West against the Russian government are inevitably bad for the average Russian citizen! Tucker's videos are designed to humanize ordinary Russians so their personal stakes in the Ukraine conflict gain some validity.

    There are plenty of US citizens who do understand contemporary life in Russia and hate it for reasons of their own, but these folks don't watch Tucker! Many of them are Masha Gessen sympathizing liberals who want to turn Russia into some version of the liberal woke West. Others probably hate Russia because it does have some great things which apparently grew from a Czarist and Communist history, which challenges the founding myths of the USA.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry

    A local friend of mine whose family left Russia in the 90’s just had parents who visited family in Russia, around Novgorod. His parents felt that quality of life seemed very good in Russia, and that sanctions had produced minimal negative effects for most. If anything it seemed like sanctions had produced some positive effects in stimulating more local businesses to ramp up production.

    They also observed that support for Putin actually seemed notably higher than the last time they visited several years ago.

    It’s all anecdotal and small sample size, but there it is for what it’s worth. They certainly didn’t think that Putin or Russia was any worse for American pressure.

  598. @Mikel
    @AP


    Probably. But would it be fraud or not?
     
    The question is not whether a politically motivated AG who campaigned on the promise to convict Trump could possibly find some statute somewhere to enact her political revenge. I don't have the slightest interest in debating if this sham trial has found some such regulation or not. It's irrelevant.

    I think it was the Romans who developed the concept of equality under the law. Even a society that practiced wholesale slavery understood that this principle is not only just but also practical to maintain social peace. If the existing laws are applied arbitrarily people lose all trust in the political/judicial system and chaos ensues. This is what is happening right now with many people in the US.

    It's extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution. She's clearly making it more corrupt by applying the law according to her political animosities.

    I understand why you want Nikki to be the nominee, you've explained it very clearly. I would have also preferred DeSantis or Vivek to win the race but not at any cost. Whatever the advantages of one candidate over another (probably not many), it's insane to destroy the basic principles of how a society functions.

    And, regardless of any political considerations, it must have been a very long time since you last applied for a loan or a mortgage because you sound rather clueless of how banks operate. They sure make you fill in your paperwork and declare all your income and assets but they would be crazy to base their credit decisions on that information. You don't really think that you can get a loan by just stating that your income is 3 times what it actually is, do you? Now, this is all compounded when we talk about business loans. I know how it works because I've seen it with my own eyes and there is a reason why banks very seldom lose money on business loans. You try to paint the most rosy picture of your business project that you can and then the bank accepts or declines your request based entirely on their own risk evaluation.

    I've even witnessed one of those rare occasions when a bank loses money with a business loan. It was some sort of a scam where the project was to build a lumber mill in rural Nicaragua. When everything was approved it turned out that the mill was located next to a forest considered sacred by the native tribe living nearby. It was impossible to build anything. My father's partners, who didn't have any idea about the tribe, also lost some collateral but even then I remember that the loses were not catastrophic for anyone. These international projects always involve some public guarantor. Besides, the bank made money on the part of the project where my father was involved.

    If prosecutors started convicting every person who gives inaccurate information in a loan application, the justice system would simply collapse from one day to the other, along with business operations. New York has just set a disastrous precedent that may cost the state a lot of money long term.

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke

    The question is not whether a politically motivated AG who campaigned on the promise to convict Trump could possibly find some statute somewhere to enact her political revenge. I don’t have the slightest interest in debating if this sham trial has found some such regulation or not. It’s irrelevant.

    Whether or not he committed a crime is very relevant as to whether he should be convicted of doing so.

    I think it was the Romans who developed the concept of equality under the law. Even a society that practiced wholesale slavery understood that this principle is not only just but also practical to maintain social peace. If the existing laws are applied arbitrarily

    But in this case they are not applied arbitrarily (which means, on the basis of random choice or personal whim). Famous people in positions of power are systematically scrutinized more heavily than those who are not. The Clintons weren’t investigated until they became major national political figures. The principle is: the more important you become, the cleaner your record had better be. This is neither arbitrary nor unfair. If this means that people from inherently corrupt industries, or people with skeletons in their closets, or people from universally corrupt business climates are kept out of power – so be it. Thanks to the 2 party system, we can expect Republicans to investigate Democrats and vice versa.

    people lose all trust in the political/judicial system and chaos ensues

    Because really corrupt people get prosecuted when they come closer to power?

    Do you think that people from the other political side won’t lose trust if they see an incredibly corrupt New York developer gain the presidency despite his corrupt business practices, and nobody investigates or prosecutes him because as a political candidate he’s deemed untouchable?

    This is what is happening right now with many people in the US.

    What’s happening in the USA is that due to the erosion of standards and morals open corruption of various kinds that would never have been tolerated now is, by people of both parties. This is more jarring when coming from people claiming to be conservative. People have become willing to vote for those who commit serial fraud, who cheat on their wife over and over again (starting from Clinton, of course), etc. Do you doubt that if Don Jr. did what Hunter Biden did, most MAGAtards would excuse his behavior?

    If American society were healthier, people like Trump or Clinton would never have made it past the primaries because their moral failings and corruption would have rendered them politically untouchable once their dirt was exposed.

    It’s extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution

    So you think if she sent, for example, one robber to prison rather than no robbers to prison the streets wouldn’t be at least a little safer, even if her prosecution was based on political reasons? Maybe Trump’s ordeals will cause other corrupt businessmen to think twice before using their money to run for office. This probably makes politics a little less corrupt.

    And, regardless of any political considerations, it must have been a very long time since you last applied for a loan or a mortgage because you sound rather clueless of how banks operate.

    I refinanced a few years ago, when interest rates close to their lowest. Thank God for fixed rates 🙂

    They sure make you fill in your paperwork and declare all your income and assets but they would be crazy to base their credit decisions on that information.

    Sure, and I would be crazy or criminal if I claimed my house was twice the size it actually was in the hope of getting much more money than I was entitled to. But “little guys” like me don’t have cozy relationships with certain bankers, who would be willing overlook such lies and get me money. The corruption that allowed Trump to do what he did systematically over and over again operates for richer and better connected people than me and, maybe, people in more corrupt environments than my own. But at least, such corruption sees the light of day when it becomes important in national politics. That’s better than nothing.

    If prosecutors started convicting every person who gives inaccurate information in a loan application

    In Trump’s case it was a matter of doing it a lot, systematically.

    New York has just set a disastrous precedent that may cost the state a lot of money long term.

    The precedent seems to be – if you are up to your ears in corrupt business practices, stay out of political office.

    Can’t say that this is a loss for the country.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @A123
    @AP

    Most of your rant is laughable, but this bears special examination:



    It’s extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution
     
    So you think if she sent, for example, one robber to prison rather than no robbers to prison the streets wouldn’t be at least a little safer, even if her prosecution was based on political reasons? Maybe Trump’s ordeals will cause other corrupt businessmen to think twice before using their money to run for office. This probably makes politics a little less corrupt.
     
    This is obviously a false dichotomy:
        -1- One robber
        -2- No robbers

    Everyone paying attention grasps that Letitia James expended vast resources on the witch hunt against Trump. Here is a more rational short form of the actual options:

        -A- One political show trial that fabricated a crime with no victims?
        -B- Tens, possibly hundreds, of violent crimes with physical victims?

    Is it not obvious that B is the better choice if the intent is to protect the people of New York?

    I cannot quickly locate the original, so let me paraphrase a quote for you:

    ===========================
        There are no innocent. Only
    those who have been prosecuted
           and those who have not.
    ===========================


    Under Trump's 2nd term will his DoJ have equivalent prosecutorial discretion as Letita James?

    • If not, why is it limited?
    • If so, why should his administration not convict and fine James and Engoron? Do you really believe their personal histories are squeaky clean?

    Based on your standard, convicting them would discourage "corrupt" people from becoming an AG or Judge.

    MAGAtards
     
    Why are you using the term MAGAtard?
    How does this help the level of discourse?
    Should we start referring to your side as UKIEtards?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LT1488

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    But in this case they are not applied arbitrarily (which means, on the basis of random choice or personal whim).
     
    LOL

    What a pointless way of wasting commenting space. I'm not going to debate here if the justice system in the US (DoJ, FBI, security agencies, ideologically motivated prosecutors) is being used selectively for political reasons because, quite frankly, that would be an insult to the vast majority of commenters here who don't deserve that. We might as well start a debate on the MSM being biased or not lol.

    All I can say is that you clearly care about Ukraine much more than I care about the border, foreign wars, the economy and the battle against woke culture, which is quite a lot. It must be an unhealthy level of attachment to a foreign country. I would certainly never endorse using those agencies against "consultor" Haley, or even corrupt Biden or Clintons, in the way they've been used against Trump. Not that there aren't laws in the US to make them all go to prison if a committed administration so wishes. It's just not worth it to live in a society like that, as we see in the very part of the world you so much care about. Ultimately, just another example of immigrants turning their new country into the old one. Thanks for reminding me of what I should try to avoid myself and how I should not educate my children.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

  599. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, I think that even unproductive members of society–such as, say, the ghetto underclass–should have their interests be taken into account to some extent just so long as doing this won’t be harmful to the rest of society.
     
    Securing basic rights is something different from indulging or morally relativizing. There are countries such as Norway that already have rather lenient laws, best penitentiary systems in the world and a lot of rehabilitation. But this is because those populations are different culturally. And they do not indulge as much. There is also a difference between securing basic standards and mitigating harm vs "their interests", as you say. These people's interests should never be equal to the interests of, let's say, mothers. And yet this is constantly being pushed. It will end badly. The signs are everywhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition
     
    I would have to look at this closer (if I have more time), but it is well known that in the US, free speech laws are often used as a cover for all kinds of degeneracy. The question is how far you want to go - we know that all the boundaries that have been pushed and broken so far, it has been harmful, yet this is still kept in place and taken even further. It doesn't come without consequences and, as always, it is the weak who pay. You are simply not aware of these consequences.

    Would you also support denying EU visas to those US Supreme Court Justices who supported having cartoon/animated child porn be legal in the 2002 US Supreme Court case mentioned above?

     

    Yes, I would, because this is the last thing we need.

    If they will hypothetically publish a book about this experience of theirs only for other adults, should this book be made illegal?
     
    Yes. Anything involving images of children in that context should be illegal. And you know this, you're pushing boundaries (like Jews often do). And btw there is already material out there, including on YoutTube, very easily accessible, that is borderline and it is not being censored. But then they have overly strict laws for other things, it is not balanced.

    BTW, it’s quite interesting that even though Western right-wingers rarely learn Russian, they do sometimes convert to Russian Orthodoxy in order to “spite the libs”:
     
    Those are fake and shallow Orthodoxes for the most part, and, yes, they do this for political, reactive reasons (has little to do with real spirituality). It's funny how they then go around advertising their newfound religious "convictions" - something that is deeply private and should be kept to oneself. Sometimes these are dudes that used to be PUAs, I have no respect for such people. However, I once met one who seemed somewhat normal and genuine, he was a slightly artsy tech guy - he seemed kind of disturbed by some of the recent cultural shifts, so it seems that there is some genuine interest as well, but he was pro-Ukrainian and he also had Slavic roots (very long forgotten W.Slavic roots in his case), and he picked it over other somewhat "radical" religions (such as traditional Catholicism or Odinism).

    I wonder though where they're going to get women, whether they import wives (as usual), or if Anglo women will sign up for this as well. I don't see female Anglo trads going the Orthodox route, but more Catholic. I'm aware of some very conservative Dutch communities, they practice some strict kind of Protestantism (Reformed Church). There are options for those who want them.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts

    Securing basic rights is something different from indulging or morally relativizing. There are countries such as Norway that already have rather lenient laws, best penitentiary systems in the world and a lot of rehabilitation. But this is because those populations are different culturally. And they do not indulge as much. There is also a difference between securing basic standards and mitigating harm vs “their interests”, as you say. These people’s interests should never be equal to the interests of, let’s say, mothers. And yet this is constantly being pushed. It will end badly. The signs are everywhere.

    Is it ending badly for the people of East Asia? AFAIK, cartoon/animated child porn is still legal there, as are child sex dolls. Definitely in Japan, at least. Has Japan gone to hell as a result of this? (Heck, even the possession of actual child abuse images (of actual children) was legal in Japan until 2014, which was going too far. I do think that it should be a misdemeanor rather than a felony, though, at least if one actually fully cooperates with the authorities.)

    I would have to look at this closer (if I have more time), but it is well known that in the US, free speech laws are often used as a cover for all kinds of degeneracy. The question is how far you want to go – we know that all the boundaries that have been pushed and broken so far, it has been harmful, yet this is still kept in place and taken even further. It doesn’t come without consequences and, as always, it is the weak who pay. You are simply not aware of these consequences.

    Western Europe doesn’t have the First Amendment but still has a lot of degeneracy, does it not? Ditto for Canada, Australia, New Zealand, et cetera.

    Yes, I would, because this is the last thing we need.

    Interesting.

    Yes. Anything involving images of children in that context should be illegal. And you know this, you’re pushing boundaries (like Jews often do). And btw there is already material out there, including on YoutTube, very easily accessible, that is borderline and it is not being censored. But then they have overly strict laws for other things, it is not balanced.

    What about a book about this topic without any images?

    And what you wrote about YouTube intrigues me. I wonder what kind of stuff you’re talking about here. It’s not to my own taste, of course, but I do wonder if it’s similar to what drag kid Desmond Napoles was doing in his younger years. Or if it’s even more graphic, like children wearing bikinis. But Yeah, definitely not my own taste. I strongly prefer adults and have no attraction to prepubescent children whatsoever.

    Those are fake and shallow Orthodoxes for the most part, and, yes, they do this for political, reactive reasons (has little to do with real spirituality). It’s funny how they then go around advertising their newfound religious “convictions” – something that is deeply private and should be kept to oneself. Sometimes these are dudes that used to be PUAs, I have no respect for such people. However, I once met one who seemed somewhat normal and genuine, he was a slightly artsy tech guy – he seemed kind of disturbed by some of the recent cultural shifts, so it seems that there is some genuine interest as well, but he was pro-Ukrainian and he also had Slavic roots (very long forgotten W.Slavic roots in his case), and he picked it over other somewhat “radical” religions (such as traditional Catholicism or Odinism).

    I wonder though where they’re going to get women, whether they import wives (as usual), or if Anglo women will sign up for this as well. I don’t see female Anglo trads going the Orthodox route, but more Catholic. I’m aware of some very conservative Dutch communities, they practice some strict kind of Protestantism (Reformed Church). There are options for those who want them.

    Very interesting; thanks! A lot of interesting information and details in here!

    BTW, I suspect that even a lot of Russians are fake and shallow Orthodoxes. But not Ukrainians, other than perhaps in eastern and southern Ukraine.

  600. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Bimbo degeneracy in your post, once again, extreme.


    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?
     
    1. Its absolutely IMPOSSIBLE in any civilised and sane country to be charge with this fake crime if the loan hasn't been defaulted on/company filed for bankruptcy. It would be like stopping and investigating for drink-driving someone who wasn't driving erratically or very fast.
    Any investigation before charge would require complaint from bank - who are only going to do that for a defaulting client you stupid moron.

    Even Ukrop court "system" would not do this. Its against universal principles of justice. I suppose as you have never been to Europe, are addicted to writing BS, are addicted to promoting the genre of American BS like the heap of dung you are.....you will be clueless to these world-accepted principles.

    2. For somebody claiming to be a billionaire for decades, the American/NY state tax authorities have zero extra incentive to investigate his tax activities, just because he could be President. It is the peak of corruption and dumbness for any tax issue to be "discovered "now. A career politician with various lobbying business interests should expect extra scrutiny on their tax records the higher they progress in politics........Trump should have had that extra scrutiny every second for the last 30 years if the tax authorities were competent or not corrupt. As a politician campaigning on lower taxes, most American expect him to use every method allowed to not pay taxes.

    3. Valuation of a property at $400M when most others are claiming the property/asset is $200M is about a million times more subjective than someone claiming there house is $400k, when most claim its $200K. There are 100's of 1000's , maybe millions of houses in America each with values of 400k and 200k - so there is abundant objective data there, abundant precedent on what a 400k house is and what a 200k is.

    There is NONE of that for a 400M vs 200M asset- it's so subjective and Trump can always claim credibly that some wealthy Arab or typical scumbag ukrop oligarch like Poroshenko-Valtsman is begging to pay a hypothetical $400M. It should be completely impossible to indict him on "overinflating his assets" once the value reaches a certain level.

    4. Concept of "same rule for everyone" in this example is total nonsense . That is comparing "blind" loan giving of the bank to a normal client........with someone the biggest banks in the world in the worlds banking centre have had deep relationship for 40 years - giving size of loans that 0.0000001% of worlds banking clients receive. A client who they are giving loans of such size to , that the CEO's, board of governers, managers, Chairman could all have to resign out of incompetence if he defaulted. Paperwork application is completely irrelevant and should be impossible to investigate as fraud - because its always going to be their own judgement of his assets worth, approved at executive level - his ability to pay and earn the bank millions back in interest.

    For the "normal" person with normal loans - if he is unable to pay, the culpability of executive or medium level management is zero.

    There’s a Ukrainian expression
     
    HAHAHAHAHA! Enough of this ridiculous act you delinquent, dilapidated compulsive liar idiot. Just WTF

    Replies: @AP

    You are the perfect example and product of Soviet corruption, thanks for advertising it.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
  601. @AP
    @A123


    What if the bank pulled the land records, and then used that number rather than the application — Would that be fraud? No.
     
    I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. It seems to me that if the bank made its decision based on its own evaluation of the land records it did not base its decision on the applicants fraud, although the applicant may have committed fraud (or attempted fraud) by providing the wrong figure.

    In Trump's case, the judge stated that there was a pervasive pattern of such actions so that it wasn't plausible that it was an honest mistake.

    My take is that, given the pervasiveness of the pattern and the fact that no one bothered to investigate before, fraud of this nature was probably customary in the corrupt and sleazy world of New York property development. Trump was doing what was normal in that world and there are probably many people still quietly doing it and getting away with it. This makes it extremely likely that his prosecution is politically motivated.

    But so what?

    Is it better to let such corruption stand? His political fame almost inevitably brought the spotlight onto his business dealings. People were going to find all of his dirt, which they otherwise would not have done had he not stepped into the political arena. Maybe there is no place in politics for people with that kind of dirt? Politics is already dirty and unsavory, even without the pervasive business corruption that Trump brings to the table.

    Maybe people whose business model involves pervasive corruption, or who have a trail or prostitutes (the Democrat Attorney General who was flirting with the idea of becoming New York governor until he was exposed), or who sexually proposition underage girls (democrat Anthony Weiner) should just stay clear of politics, lest their activities be exposed. It's a symptom of the ongoing degradation of society that this stuff is becoming normalized. I'm sure if it happened today, the New York DA with the prostitute problem (I've forgotten his name) would be lauded as sex positive and his prostitute celebrated as a brave sex worker.


    Trump wants to repair Russian-American relations. And, MAGA is against Forever Wars.
     
    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden's aid enables.

    Given Ukraine nothing will turn it into a very long and much bloodier Forever War involving urban combat and guerilla warfare and insurrection as in Iraq, all over Ukrainian territory, with 10+ million refugees if not over 20 million.


    There is NO reason to believe that Trump’s 2nd term will repeat the excesses of the Veggie-In-Chief.
     
    Trump gave lethal aid when Obama had refused. Trump without hesitation had killed hundreds of Wagner troops in Syria, the first time Americans had killed Russian directly and openly. Biden would not have had the balls to do that.

    I doubt that Putin would have dared to invade Ukraine if Trump were president. Trump's reaction would have been too unpredictable. The current line that Trump is Putin's poodle and will do what Putin wants may be akin to the Russia collusion hoax. But, it is true that a horde of MAGAtard grifters that try to feed off Trump's scraps are almost all contrarian and pro-Putin.* These morons probably on some level believe that Russia collusion was true, and support it. Trump may not care much about the issues, and may let some of them into his administration where they could determine Russia policy. So his presidency is a risk for Ukraine, more risky than Biden's but potentially much better.

    Trump: "Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back" He said it could be at zero percent interest. As I wrote elsewhere, this will give America motivation to make sure Ukraine wins: otherwise it won't get the loan back. Earlier Trump had said that he would force peace quickly by offering a compromise, and either cutting off Ukraine if it wouldn't accept or giving Ukraine maximum weapons if Russia wouldn't accept. Which would be more likely?

    *This reminds me of the Covid vaccine. Trump's amazing Operation Warp Speed delivered it in record time, and he is proud of it. But the MAGAtard followers usually hate it anyways.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.

    Can’t Russia escalate its own commitment to Ukraine in such a scenario, though, such as by spending 25+% of Russian GDP on this war?

    I doubt that Putin would have dared to invade Ukraine if Trump were president. Trump’s reaction would have been too unpredictable.

    Hard to say. On one hand, this is very possible, but on the other hand, there could be a bigger fear on Putin’s part that Trump will do something very crazy like stationing US nuclear missiles in Ukraine, which could make Putin even more motivated to invade Ukraine than he was in real life. (It was hard to imagine Biden realistically placing nuclear missiles in Ukraine. In real life, Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was primarily meant to secure extra people and resources for Russia, though also possibly to prevent a long-term risk of a future, more hawkish US President placing nuclear missiles in Ukraine or something similar.)

    Trump: “Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back” He said it could be at zero percent interest. As I wrote elsewhere, this will give America motivation to make sure Ukraine wins: otherwise it won’t get the loan back. Earlier Trump had said that he would force peace quickly by offering a compromise, and either cutting off Ukraine if it wouldn’t accept or giving Ukraine maximum weapons if Russia wouldn’t accept. Which would be more likely?

    Yep, I saw that:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-15/trump-pushes-ukraine-aid-as-a-loan-with-funding-bill-deadlocked

    But can’t Ukraine pay back the loan even if the current front line will hold and the Ukraine War will devolve into a frozen conflict? 90% of Ukraine would still be in Ukrainian hands, after all.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.

    Can’t Russia escalate its own commitment to Ukraine in such a scenario, though, such as by spending 25+% of Russian GDP on this war?
     

    The West outmatches Russia's GDP, so it would only need to get to 1/2 or 2/3 of the Cold War levels in terms of military funding and production, and Russia wouldn't stand a chance of keeping up.

    But can’t Ukraine pay back the loan even if the current front line will hold and the Ukraine War will devolve into a frozen conflict? after all.
     
    Maybe, if it is frozen in the way that Korea is, and not in the way that it was 2016-2021.

    90% of Ukraine would still be in Ukrainian hands, after all.
     
    At current lines it is about 91% of the 2021 territory, but less than of the 1991 territory.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  602. @AP
    @Mikel


    In fact, Trump didn’t even commit any fraud when he said to the Forbes magazine that his NY tower has 9 floors more than it actually has. That’s about as much of a “fraud” as me saying on Unz that my farm has 3 acres instead of 2.
     
    Sure. But from the link to his court document:

    https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf

    "After some four years of investigation and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid. Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again"

    This would be like you falsely claiming your farm was 3 times the size it actually is to the bank, in order to get the bank to give you a much larger loan than you would otherwise have been eligible to receive.

    It would be fraud.

    I have no illusions that this kind of fraud is probably commonplace in the business, nor that it isn't a big deal (he paid the loan off, AFAIK). But as I said earlier, if you engage in fraud often, it might be wise to keep a low profile. There is nothing wrong with prosecuting fraud if it comes to the prosecutor's attention, as is the case when the criminal is so famous and provocative. This would also apply to Biden's family under a Republican administration.


    And the funny thing is that he’s [Trump] not even particularly anti-Ukraine. He doesn’t care enough. There are much more anti-Ukraine Republicans than Trump these days.
     
    This is true. The MAGAtard grifters who try to parasite off Trump's fame are rabidly anti-Ukrainian, while Trump himself is not. He has recently said nice things about Zelensky. There is a nontrivial chance that Trump as president will pursue policies that are more helpful to Ukraine than were those of the meek Biden administration. Unless one of those grifters becomes Trump's VP, then I'd be concerned.

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    Unless one of those grifters becomes Trump’s VP, then I’d be concerned.

    Elise Stefanik?

  603. @AP
    @Beckow


    To add “too many floors” to a building project by mocking up a loan application is not something you charge a leading presidential candidate with.
     
    So you think a leading presidential candidate should be allowed to commit fraud for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining loans?

    I am under no illusions that in a corrupt profession such as New York building and development, such fraud is commonplace, and that if Trump hadn't gotten involved in politics nobody would have cared or investigated. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by some mob-adjacent activities in his past, either. But then such people probably shouldn't run for office, given the fact that they probably have a history of regularly breaking the law. There's a Ukrainian expression - тихше їдеш, дальше будеш (the quieter you go, the further you'll get). Corrupt builders with lots of skeletons in their closets probably shouldn't get into politics where their every move will be scrutinized. Nor should people who regularly cheat on their wives or do other stuff that they would not want to be brought out into the open - although cheating hasn't harmed Trump.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Derer

    Everything, concerning Trump problems, is political…it smells by the snivelling DNC criminal methods of eliminating popular opposition candidate. They cannot defeat him by fair fight in the political arena so the parasitic bastards resort to sleazy litigation. They have been in control of DOJ for the past 15 years.

    This country would have been in much better shape if Gen. Michael Flynn was not removed by the dirty work of pathetic DNC apparatchiks. Who should have been impeached is the VP Biden for Ukraine corruption and nepotism.

  604. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.
     
    Can't Russia escalate its own commitment to Ukraine in such a scenario, though, such as by spending 25+% of Russian GDP on this war?

    I doubt that Putin would have dared to invade Ukraine if Trump were president. Trump’s reaction would have been too unpredictable.
     
    Hard to say. On one hand, this is very possible, but on the other hand, there could be a bigger fear on Putin's part that Trump will do something very crazy like stationing US nuclear missiles in Ukraine, which could make Putin even more motivated to invade Ukraine than he was in real life. (It was hard to imagine Biden realistically placing nuclear missiles in Ukraine. In real life, Putin's invasion of Ukraine was primarily meant to secure extra people and resources for Russia, though also possibly to prevent a long-term risk of a future, more hawkish US President placing nuclear missiles in Ukraine or something similar.)

    Trump: “Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back” He said it could be at zero percent interest. As I wrote elsewhere, this will give America motivation to make sure Ukraine wins: otherwise it won’t get the loan back. Earlier Trump had said that he would force peace quickly by offering a compromise, and either cutting off Ukraine if it wouldn’t accept or giving Ukraine maximum weapons if Russia wouldn’t accept. Which would be more likely?
     
    Yep, I saw that:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-15/trump-pushes-ukraine-aid-as-a-loan-with-funding-bill-deadlocked

    But can't Ukraine pay back the loan even if the current front line will hold and the Ukraine War will devolve into a frozen conflict? 90% of Ukraine would still be in Ukrainian hands, after all.

    Replies: @AP

    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.

    Can’t Russia escalate its own commitment to Ukraine in such a scenario, though, such as by spending 25+% of Russian GDP on this war?

    The West outmatches Russia’s GDP, so it would only need to get to 1/2 or 2/3 of the Cold War levels in terms of military funding and production, and Russia wouldn’t stand a chance of keeping up.

    But can’t Ukraine pay back the loan even if the current front line will hold and the Ukraine War will devolve into a frozen conflict? after all.

    Maybe, if it is frozen in the way that Korea is, and not in the way that it was 2016-2021.

    90% of Ukraine would still be in Ukrainian hands, after all.

    At current lines it is about 91% of the 2021 territory, but less than of the 1991 territory.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    The West outmatches Russia’s GDP, so it would only need to get to 1/2 or 2/3 of the Cold War levels and Russia wouldn’t stand a chance of keeping up.

     

    Philippe Lemoine doesn't believe that the West as a whole (as opposed to certain parts of the West, such as Poland, the Baltics, et cetera) would be willing to spend more than 1% of their total GDP on Ukraine. Is he wrong about this?

    Maybe, if it is frozen in the way that Korea is, and not in the way that it was 2016-2021.

     

    Agreed.

    At current lines it is about 91% of the 2021 territory, but less than of the 1991 territory.

     

    Yes, I was using the 2021 territory as a benchmark here.

    FWIW, I'm gradually coming around to your position that Western aid to Ukraine should be massively increased (though the MAGAtards are the biggest obstacle to this, frankly), though I can't help but worry about the risk of an accidental nuclear escalation, similar to what would have happened back in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis had it not been for Vasily Arkhipov.

    https://thebulletin.org/2023/10/putins-bluff-a-cautionary-note-about-underestimating-the-possibility-of-nuclear-escalation-in-ukraine/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov

    I'm just afraid that some dumbass hothead Russian military commander is going to order the launching of nukes at some point if the situation will get too bad for Russia and that there won't be a Vasily Arkhipov equivalent to stop him this time around. I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of Putin being willing to sacrifice huge numbers of Russian troops in a nuclear attack if that's what's necessary to also kill huge numbers of Ukrainian troops. I'm talking about tactical nukes being used on a mass scale here if absolutely necessary. I just don't think that Putin can survive politically if he will lose Crimea or possibly even the urban Donbass.

    BTW, somewhat off-topic, but still about the Ukraine War, you might enjoy this blog post by a Ukrainian-Canadian-American professor:

    https://clarissasblog.com/2022/11/03/why-help-ukraine/

    She, of course, also criticizes Biden for being too soft on Ukraine:

    https://clarissasblog.com/2024/01/25/whats-possible/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

  605. @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    There are many YouTube videos showing the nice products in big city Russian supermarkets as well as many others showing scarcity in rural stores. You can guess which Unz commenters link to which videos!

    Some people may be missing the point of Tucker's videos showing ordinary life in Moscow. Much of his audience has no idea of what goes on in Russia or how contemporary Russians live. Many over-50 people in the US may still remember the amazement of Yeltsin and others in US grocery stores around 1990, so showing video from a nice Moscow supermarket could be an eye opener for many people. The anti-Russia drumbeat is very similar to the anti-Soviet drumbeat and surely evokes old memories and notions in many people. If the Russian people are seen as backward and oppressed it is easier to polarize Americans against the Russian government. Never mind that any actions taken by the West against the Russian government are inevitably bad for the average Russian citizen! Tucker's videos are designed to humanize ordinary Russians so their personal stakes in the Ukraine conflict gain some validity.

    There are plenty of US citizens who do understand contemporary life in Russia and hate it for reasons of their own, but these folks don't watch Tucker! Many of them are Masha Gessen sympathizing liberals who want to turn Russia into some version of the liberal woke West. Others probably hate Russia because it does have some great things which apparently grew from a Czarist and Communist history, which challenges the founding myths of the USA.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry

    showing scarcity in rural stores.

    There hasn’t been scarcity for decades. The issue is affordability. That’s one of the things Carlson’s trolley had. He could spend 6 days of the populations’ median salary on the trolley with boxes of “Unicorn” and “Mini Mills” cereals (it’s not some kind of luxury organic foods).

    point of Tucker’s videos showing ordinary life in Moscow.

    He wasn’t showing ordinary life in Moscow. He was talking about America. This comment I remember most of his report at 1:25 “The low carb lifestyle has not swept Russia thank heaven”.

    He believes “low carb lifestyle has swept America”.

    I doubt this is true. Low carb lifestyle has not swept America. The problem in America is not lack of low quality processed foods.

    But, in the upper class circle in America, where he exists, it’s possible “low carb lifestyle has swept”.

    “Everyone is eating organic avocado toast. I wish we had more refined carbohydrate”

    For his viewers, that go to Walmart, I think they have no problem attaining to refined carbohydrates, reheated factory bread and boxes of unbranded cereals like in the Auchan.

    r the amazement of Yeltsin and others in US grocery stores around 1990, so showing video from a nice Moscow supermarket

    In normal times, excluding crisis years, the USSR had many quality food products available for people. The food culture was copied in some extent from America. Anastas Mikoyan studied the American food industry during the 1930s. But, there were more strict regulations for the quality of the ingredients compared with today. Bread was regulated fresh not like the reheated bread in Auchan, milk was from glass bottles (unlike the plastic bottles in Russia now which give bad taste to the milk), the Kievan cake was made in Kiev.

    these folks don’t watch Tucker! Many of them are Masha Gessen sympathizing liberals who want to turn Russia into some version of the liberal woke West. Others probably hate Russia because it does have some great things which apparently grew from a Czarist and Communist

    Russia isn’t much different from the West in those quotidian aspects. Rates of Westernization have increased after 2014. I would say the vision of life “Big Yellow Taxi”, but in the wider context we shouldn’t complain, there are a lot more important problems in the world than a few parking lots.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry

    Thank you for the reality check.


    the Kievan cake was made in Kiev.
     
    But was the Prague cake made in Prague?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  606. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Giving Ukraine everything it needs to win quickly would indeed prevent the Forever War that the slow trickle of Biden’s aid enables.

    Can’t Russia escalate its own commitment to Ukraine in such a scenario, though, such as by spending 25+% of Russian GDP on this war?
     

    The West outmatches Russia's GDP, so it would only need to get to 1/2 or 2/3 of the Cold War levels in terms of military funding and production, and Russia wouldn't stand a chance of keeping up.

    But can’t Ukraine pay back the loan even if the current front line will hold and the Ukraine War will devolve into a frozen conflict? after all.
     
    Maybe, if it is frozen in the way that Korea is, and not in the way that it was 2016-2021.

    90% of Ukraine would still be in Ukrainian hands, after all.
     
    At current lines it is about 91% of the 2021 territory, but less than of the 1991 territory.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The West outmatches Russia’s GDP, so it would only need to get to 1/2 or 2/3 of the Cold War levels and Russia wouldn’t stand a chance of keeping up.

    Philippe Lemoine doesn’t believe that the West as a whole (as opposed to certain parts of the West, such as Poland, the Baltics, et cetera) would be willing to spend more than 1% of their total GDP on Ukraine. Is he wrong about this?

    Maybe, if it is frozen in the way that Korea is, and not in the way that it was 2016-2021.

    Agreed.

    At current lines it is about 91% of the 2021 territory, but less than of the 1991 territory.

    Yes, I was using the 2021 territory as a benchmark here.

    FWIW, I’m gradually coming around to your position that Western aid to Ukraine should be massively increased (though the MAGAtards are the biggest obstacle to this, frankly), though I can’t help but worry about the risk of an accidental nuclear escalation, similar to what would have happened back in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis had it not been for Vasily Arkhipov.

    https://thebulletin.org/2023/10/putins-bluff-a-cautionary-note-about-underestimating-the-possibility-of-nuclear-escalation-in-ukraine/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov

    I’m just afraid that some dumbass hothead Russian military commander is going to order the launching of nukes at some point if the situation will get too bad for Russia and that there won’t be a Vasily Arkhipov equivalent to stop him this time around. I also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of Putin being willing to sacrifice huge numbers of Russian troops in a nuclear attack if that’s what’s necessary to also kill huge numbers of Ukrainian troops. I’m talking about tactical nukes being used on a mass scale here if absolutely necessary. I just don’t think that Putin can survive politically if he will lose Crimea or possibly even the urban Donbass.

    BTW, somewhat off-topic, but still about the Ukraine War, you might enjoy this blog post by a Ukrainian-Canadian-American professor:

    https://clarissasblog.com/2022/11/03/why-help-ukraine/

    She, of course, also criticizes Biden for being too soft on Ukraine:

    https://clarissasblog.com/2024/01/25/whats-possible/

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ


    Philippe Lemoine doesn’t believe that the West as a whole (as opposed to certain parts of the West, such as Poland, the Baltics, et cetera) would be willing to spend more than 1% of their total GDP on Ukraine. Is he wrong about this?

     

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1627670694883368961.html

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpapwuqWYAE7J_T.png

    He raises a pretty realistic scenario, actually: As in, what if China begins arming Russia to a much greater extent in response to the West massively escalating its own support for Ukraine? China's PPP GDP (total, not per capita) is greater than that of the US and perhaps about half or slightly more of the entire West combined. What if China will devote a relatively significant percentage of its own GDP to help Russia out? It hasn't done that yet, and it might not, but there's a chance that it will if it will conclude that this is what is necessary to prevent Russia from experiencing a total defeat in this war and thus possibly a color revolution-induced regime change afterwards.

    , @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of Putin being willing to sacrifice huge numbers of Russian troops in a nuclear attack if that’s what’s necessary to also kill huge numbers of Ukrainian troops. I’m talking about tactical nukes being used on a mass scale here if absolutely necessary. I just don’t think that Putin can survive politically if he will lose Crimea or possibly even the urban Donbass.
     
    Russian leadership believes is in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have accept -- It is what they believe. -- And, that belief will shape their actions.

    How would the international reaction be different between "mass tactical" and "strategic"? IMHO, there would be none.

    Putin does care about Russian troops. To protect them, it makes military sense to open with 30-50 full sized strategic weapons. The goal would be incinerating Kiev, Lviv, Odessa, and other logistical centers. How will Kiev aggression resupply with; no ports, no rail, and only smaller indirect roads? Ultimately, cut-off Ukie troops would have to capitulate.

    There is no strategy for Ukrainian military victory. Why does Zelensky refuse to negotiate? What do Macron and Scholz have on him?

    Acting now is the best path towards a sustainable peace deal.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  607. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I visited the “Irish” part of town too
     
    .
    Oddly enough, none of my people ever lived there. Back then, nearly every part was Irish.

    A real good looker, half Irish and half Ukrainian – the best of two worlds.
     
    I actually remember being on a train a few years ago in the suburbs, and there was this group of teenage boys. They were basically normal kids from the close suburbs (I presume) and I remember one guy specifically saying that he did not think Irish girls were good-looking. (By which I am sure he meant Irish-Americans.)

    If I were there again I would ask him his ethnic background, out of curiosity.

    I think most of the girls I knew growing up must have been Irish or Italian or some combination. In some cases, they had an Irish name but were too dark to be pureblood. In other cases they had an Italian name were too light to be a pureblood from Southern Italy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I don’t know why, but I’ve alway been rather partial to Irish girls, whether home grown or American hybrids. I’ve brought up my acquaintance with the McGuire family here before that lived a few doors down from where I did. I hung around 3-4 different kids within this family (of a total of 12), as my older sister went to college with some of the older siblings. All of the kids had that unmistakable good looking “Irish”element and good nature personality traits too. I enjoyed a lot of laughs with the kids and got a close up front look of the Irish-American family. The matriarch of the family was really a strikingly beautiful woman and I could instinctively understand how the old man had a hard time keeping his hands off of her. 🙂

  608. @Gerard1234
    @LatW

    The only good thing about Latvian sh*thole "justice " system? I am giving serious effort to make Interpol application to have Mr Hack/Oksana Liberman's son extradited to Russia for his hideous comments involving myself with Liberace internet "jokes".

    Latvian system is that hopeless, and Hacks crimes are that big (terrorism) - I believe there is a massive chance it could be successful if he ever arrives in Latvia. President of Latvia is a homo also as Liberace.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I am giving serious effort to make Interpol application to have Mr Hack/Oksana Liberman’s son extradited to Russia for his hideous comments involving myself with Liberace internet “jokes”.

    All that you need to do is to ask me to stop. I think that you actually appreciated my jokes, because, after all, I was making comparisons between you and the Great Liberace. You would actually consider taking me before an international tribunal, the one and only guy here that went to bat for you when Karlin would ban you from posting comments here? What a short memory you have…

  609. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    The West outmatches Russia’s GDP, so it would only need to get to 1/2 or 2/3 of the Cold War levels and Russia wouldn’t stand a chance of keeping up.

     

    Philippe Lemoine doesn't believe that the West as a whole (as opposed to certain parts of the West, such as Poland, the Baltics, et cetera) would be willing to spend more than 1% of their total GDP on Ukraine. Is he wrong about this?

    Maybe, if it is frozen in the way that Korea is, and not in the way that it was 2016-2021.

     

    Agreed.

    At current lines it is about 91% of the 2021 territory, but less than of the 1991 territory.

     

    Yes, I was using the 2021 territory as a benchmark here.

    FWIW, I'm gradually coming around to your position that Western aid to Ukraine should be massively increased (though the MAGAtards are the biggest obstacle to this, frankly), though I can't help but worry about the risk of an accidental nuclear escalation, similar to what would have happened back in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis had it not been for Vasily Arkhipov.

    https://thebulletin.org/2023/10/putins-bluff-a-cautionary-note-about-underestimating-the-possibility-of-nuclear-escalation-in-ukraine/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov

    I'm just afraid that some dumbass hothead Russian military commander is going to order the launching of nukes at some point if the situation will get too bad for Russia and that there won't be a Vasily Arkhipov equivalent to stop him this time around. I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of Putin being willing to sacrifice huge numbers of Russian troops in a nuclear attack if that's what's necessary to also kill huge numbers of Ukrainian troops. I'm talking about tactical nukes being used on a mass scale here if absolutely necessary. I just don't think that Putin can survive politically if he will lose Crimea or possibly even the urban Donbass.

    BTW, somewhat off-topic, but still about the Ukraine War, you might enjoy this blog post by a Ukrainian-Canadian-American professor:

    https://clarissasblog.com/2022/11/03/why-help-ukraine/

    She, of course, also criticizes Biden for being too soft on Ukraine:

    https://clarissasblog.com/2024/01/25/whats-possible/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    Philippe Lemoine doesn’t believe that the West as a whole (as opposed to certain parts of the West, such as Poland, the Baltics, et cetera) would be willing to spend more than 1% of their total GDP on Ukraine. Is he wrong about this?

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1627670694883368961.html

    He raises a pretty realistic scenario, actually: As in, what if China begins arming Russia to a much greater extent in response to the West massively escalating its own support for Ukraine? China’s PPP GDP (total, not per capita) is greater than that of the US and perhaps about half or slightly more of the entire West combined. What if China will devote a relatively significant percentage of its own GDP to help Russia out? It hasn’t done that yet, and it might not, but there’s a chance that it will if it will conclude that this is what is necessary to prevent Russia from experiencing a total defeat in this war and thus possibly a color revolution-induced regime change afterwards.

  610. @Barbarossa
    I watched the Tucker Carlson Putin interview yesterday, which was wildly amusing. Watching Putin troll Tucker for 2 hours was pretty priceless.

    I'm not really familiar with Tucker since I don't have cable and don't pay attention to "news" personalities. Is he always that stupid? Also does he always have such dumb punchable facial expressions?

    I can't believe that he met with Putin in the Kremlin for two hours and couldn't muster anything but a collection of banal non-sequiturs. I used to think that Megyn Kelly looked dumb when she interviewed Putin a few years back, but (if memory serves) she looked like a real perspicacious thespian compared to Tucker.

    I wish Putin would open up a comedy club where he roasts people. I would go see that. The part of the interview where Putin burned Tucker over getting rejected by the CIA was pure comedic gold.

    Putin came off really well. Whether or not one agrees with any of the man's positions I think you have to admit that he is razor sharp, articulate, and subtle. All around a true realpolitik figure in the Bismarkian mold.

    With American politics being dominated by the moronic and the inarticulate it really makes one wish that we could have any politicians who could express coherent thoughts like Putin can. Like him or hate him, the man is brilliant.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @A123, @AnonfromTN

    Talking after the Carlson interview, Putin says he is surprised, Carlson just listened to him speaking patiently, while Putin was preparing to answer more difficult questions from the journalist.

    Putin says he had wanted to discuss about Jewish pogroms in the Russian empire, after Blinken (Secretary of State Biden administration) saying his great-grandparents have escaped from the Russian empire. But, Putin says Blinken’s family was from Kiev, Blinken believes that Ukraine didn’t exist then. In this way, Blinken is “our man”.

    Putin says Russian and Jewish youth tried to counter the pogroms, also the Russian authorities.

    They discuss Baerbock (German external minister) has a Nazi grandfather, Putin says the modern Germans don’t have full responsibility for the crimes of Nazi Germany. Putin says there should be anti-fascist, anti-Nazi propaganda on a global level.

    Putin says he didn’t notice anything mentally deficient about Biden when they met.

    Putin says Trump’s position asking NATO members to pay more isn’t significant. NATO doesn’t have use.

    Putin believes when the West sees that “fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian” is not working, they will start to make adjustments. Putin says this is question of the art of politics, which is the art of compromising.

  611. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    I know you are very busy playing Cowboys and Indians but if you take thirty seconds to read the open thread intro our host requests that you put tweets behind a more tag.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Found what’s likely my new almost everything knife

    [MORE]

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    I have used kbar for over 20 years. The one only other name I can even remember is swiss army.

    There is like no way you don't own at least one swiss army knife. I lost one so now I am on my second.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  612. @songbird
    @LatW


    Lioness line?
     
    I had to look it up. Apparently, it is the name of the national women's soccer team. I would have preferred Singh line.

    Mildmay was the name of a small hospital were a lot of homos died of AIDS in the '80s or something. Seems like a silly name. I would have preferred "Zoonosis" , "AIDS" or "new plague" line.
    _________
    I wonder what they mean when they say that HWO will be able to image 25 potentially habitable worlds. Is that like one pixel?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitable_Worlds_Observatory

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Singhni would be female

    [MORE]

    • LOL: songbird
  613. @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Found what's likely my new almost everything knife


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5FI-d8H47LQ
    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I have used kbar for over 20 years. The one only other name I can even remember is swiss army.

    There is like no way you don’t own at least one swiss army knife. I lost one so now I am on my second.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yeah I have the random knife + scissors one, but my daily Multi-tool is a Gerber M&P 600.

    https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/nessmuk-trio-review-padraig-croke.htm

    Starting to get into bushcrafting/outdoors stuff.

  614. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Very sad to hear. :(

    Quite ironic that it is the historically most pro-Russian areas of Ukraine which Russia has been destroying, with both their economic output and some of their people fleeing further to the west and thus becoming even more svidomized in the process.

    Russia's (albeit not Putin's personally) best move back in 2014 would have been to do nothing other than to open Ukraine's borders with Russia wide open so that any Ukrainian who is not a criminal and who would have wanted to move to Russia would have been able to do so. In such a scenario, without the negative attitudes that Ukrainians got of Russia from its behavior in Crimea and Donbass, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if millions of Ukrainians would have packed their bags and permanently moved to Russia, especially if obtaining permanent residence in the West would have been unfeasible for them. Russo-Ukrainian relations would have been preserved in such a scenario, Russia would have gotten a population boost, Ukraine could have been emptied of some of its human capital, and Russia would not have had to suffer from Western sanctions or to destroy its own relations with the West, which could have remained at Obama-era semi-normal levels indefinitely.

    Nowadays, not even the Ukrainian mafia actually wants to associate with their Russian equivalents:

    https://www.economist.com/international/2023/04/24/how-the-war-split-the-mafia


    Ukrainian gangsters are also shunning their Russian counterparts. “It is one thing to be called a criminal; quite another to be thought of as a traitor,” says Mark Galeotti, author of “The Vory: Russia’s Super Mafia”. Loyalty to Ukraine is about risk control as well as patriotism. “If we were annexed to Russia, many of the guys in prison might be transferred a long way away,” explains one gangster. “Russian guards are merciless. None of us need that. So we’ll do the dirty work for Ukraine.“

     

    There has to be some level of credit for that type of epic fail!

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Kiev regime is the side that has been targeting civilian areas in Donbass and other areas, in addition to having armed personnel meshed with civilians and civilian infrastructure. Russia far more human when compared to Israeli military action against the Pals and their fellow Israelis – Hannibal Directive.

    So much for the fake neocon/neoloib/svido narrative.

  615. @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Have never ridden on the London underground so I am not personally familiar with it, but I really like the idea of Pygmy, if there is any part of it with smaller trains, as with the Green Line in Boston.

    The Bantoid line could do a custom design on those boxes where they request people turn in their knives, where assegais could also be depicted and it could have maps commemorating the Bantu expansion, as well as population charts going out to 2100.

    Hitler is a pillar of modern liberalism and carries an almost bottomless iconography that could be exploited. Imagine what one could do with the mustache alone!

    Each line should have its own mascot to sell merch, like they might do in Japan.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Coconuts

    Have never ridden on the London underground so I am not personally familiar with it, but I really like the idea of Pygmy, if there is any part of it with smaller trains, as with the Green Line in Boston.

    Unfortunately, afaik the trains on the overground lines are all more or less the same size. If there was any narrow gauge section it would be a good candidate for Pygmy. I remember the metro in Budapest had some small trains on the oldest line as well.

    Hitler is a pillar of modern liberalism and carries an almost bottomless iconography that could be exploited. Imagine what one could do with the mustache alone!

    I also realised this, he is an iconic personality so the branding for that line would be easy. I can see a potential problem with tensions between fans of the Bantoid line and fans of the Pygmy one, significant clash of interests here.

    • Agree: songbird
  616. @LatW
    @Coconuts

    The Oswald Mosley line. :)

    I'd ride that every day. :)

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I think there is a sort-of-hidden connection between the Suffragette line and Sir Oswald.

    [MORE]

    Suffragettes were the radical wing of the women’s suffrage movement who accepted the need for violent direct action and later a number of the leading members joined the BUF and ran its female section Apart from votes for women they seem to have had some other interests relating to the health of the race and things like that.

    Now I am wondering if any of them were readers of Georges Sorel’s famous book ‘Reflections on Violence’, T.E. Hulme translated it into English around 1913, he was an interesting guy as well.

    Have you come across Mosley’s wife, Diana?:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Mosley

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Coconuts


    Suffragettes were the radical wing of the women’s suffrage movement who accepted the need for violent direct action
     
    It seems like many of these newly born movements / ideologies at the time had a paramilitary component and a "direct action" wing. It might be because at that initial stage the movement has more vitality (but also more obstacles to be overcome as it grows into the world right after the birthing and tries to gain its place under the sun).

    Apart from votes for women they seem to have had some other interests relating to the health of the race and things like that.
     
    Afaik, the original suffragette movement had something to do with limiting the use of alcohol - so this may have been something to do with women wanting their husbands to drink less or, more likely, to limit the negative effects of male alcoholism on women. So the original cause was noble. :)

    Have you come across Mosley’s wife, Diana?
     
    Yes, I had noticed her before (lucky girl!), but I didn't know she was a writer, I can understand their connection though.

    Btw, I've been really enjoying Drieu. Beautiful language and great themes, he really idealizes the "old masculine virtues" and there is a great temptation to go with that flow, however, one must acknowledge that it is too idealized. Uncannily, some of these themes have been on my mind a lot lately, whilst thinking about the war.

    The central idea of the body being separated from the spirit and soul via civilization, in an almost unnatural way, is also very interesting. It's an eternal theme and I like how he places it in an anthropological setting involving the Middle Ages and modern European history. I've thought of this as well with regards to paganism, there may have been several of these "separations" throughout European history (he mentions this having happened already with Plato), with the last one culminating in the urbanization of the 19th-20th century (which he is the most critical of). But we see today with the ongoing "gender" politics that the overcoming of the "body" is still very much in the center of things.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  617. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you . As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies
     
    No, in 2024, you wreck everything everywhere you go. And leave ruins and burned bodies. Anything good that you have ever created is immediately canceled out by this.

    Keep demonstrating to the whole world what despicable creatures you are that have to constantly self-congratulate and boast. I have been to several Arctic cities - including in Norway, that were in excellent shape.

    You put political prisoners in a penal colony in the Arctic together with the worst types of animals - mass murderers, etc. The biggest question is why so many of you are incarcerated and for such crimes.

    Nobody wants you. Losers like MAGA will talk a big talk and praise you, but will never live there with you. You will remain alone. You will die alone.

    And don't even open your mouth about human rights when your animals are killing off the wounded in Avdiivka. Human rights do not exist for you because you are not human.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @LT1488

    Insane levels of hatred coming from a Latvian. Its like a Chihuahua barking at a bear.

  618. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    BTW, I forgot to mention something: Had Russia not gone Bolshevik in 1917, it's entirely possible that there would have been a Central Asian "Great Migration" from their traditional homeland in Central Asia to the cities in Russia's Slavic heartland during the 20th century, similar to what occurred for African-Americans in the United States at the same time period in real life:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Percentage_of_African_American_population_living_in_the_American_South.png

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/GreatMigration1910to1970-UrbanPopulation.png

    The cause of this mass Central Asian migration would have been similar to that of the historical African-American Great Migration: As in, the search of better job opportunities (though in the case of the African-Americans, they were also fleeing Jim Crow oppression in the Southern US).

    Later on, South Asians could have possibly become Russia's equivalent of what Latin Americans are to the US, in the late 20th and 21st centuries. And of course the Russian Far East could have acquired a huge East Asian population, similar to the US West coast in real life.

    Replies: @LT1488

    Why are you obsessed with Central Asians and South Asians migrating en masse to Russia? Seems like projection

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LT1488

    Central Asians are Russians' former countrymen and Russia could sure use a lot more curry.

    In any case, I am talking about a scenario here where Central Asia permanently remains Russian due to Russia avoiding decades of Communist rule. Plus, our host Anatoly Karlin has said that leftist pro-multiculturalist societies are the biggest winners, so I'm aiming to discuss what a winner Russia would have looked like in an alt-history where Russia itself would have looked like this.

  619. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    I have used kbar for over 20 years. The one only other name I can even remember is swiss army.

    There is like no way you don't own at least one swiss army knife. I lost one so now I am on my second.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Yeah I have the random knife + scissors one, but my daily Multi-tool is a Gerber M&P 600.

    https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/nessmuk-trio-review-padraig-croke.htm

    Starting to get into bushcrafting/outdoors stuff.

  620. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    That’s Candace Owen.
     
    Of course, I know who she is - I'm not interested in her boring views which have been repeated over and over with little originality on the conservative scene. What I meant was - who the hell is she to tell Ukrainians they are not real Christians when she herself has shallow roots. She knows so little about Putin's system (run by old KGB personnel) and yet she runs her mouth like that - against a nation who are a victim. Besides this strife is none of her business.

    Gloria Steinem who made this quote:
    Marriage works best for men than women. The two happiest groups are married men and unmarried women.
     
    I think this may be true since this was backed up by some stats - married men live longer and have better health (not sure they are happier but it seems so), marriage civilizes men, and married people may also have it better financially, married men, if they stay married, win hands down. Unmarried women, assuming they've had children if they so desired, have more peace of mind and contentment. So this part may not be wrong. There is an asymmetry here between the sexes in our modern society.

    I'm not following Taylor Swift's latest romance (although my mom likes her and was following some of her music), other than noticing that her net worth is much higher than that of her cute and masculine boyfriend. Maybe it doesn't matter. So I can't comment on any criticisms towards her - imo, Taylor Swift is by far not the worst out there (she sounds like she has had several boyfriends, but afaik she speaks of them amicably).

    I really don't care about Candice Owens as long as she stays quiet about Ukraine and who is a real Christian. It's not her place to judge. It really just seems she wants to please the MAGA group by being anti-Ukrainian, at the expense of innocent, God fearing Ukrainians. Many of whom are more chaste than most Euros and Americans. Not to mention Russians who can be incredibly hedonistic and scientistic / atheist. All I get on my Ukrainian YouTube stream is prayer groups now. Clear sign they are Christians in every day life.

    But if she is a "Qanon dingbat" then she may not be all that dangerous - then she'll just be dismissed as a nut.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Ennui

    You parasites want her tax dollars. She has every right to comment.

  621. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW

    Grapes are sour enough to cause hysterics? Considering who gets hysterical, it’s a good sign.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ennui

    The sense of entitlement from these Ukrainians is insane. It’s Israel-level chutzpah. I don’t blame them, it’s in their nature. I blame the cucky weasels in our midst who let them think they can get away with it. Zelensky talks down to our leaders and they eat it up. What kind of normal person lets somebody treat them like that?

    I started rooting for Ukrainian misery the minute they presumed to lecture me about my money.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ennui

    Lion’s share of all that tax money from US is not cash flow at all, just an accounted worth of given already existing military equipment, so money physically really were spent years ago domestically in US, when factory owners, workers, designers and material commodity suppliers got contracts for producing that stuff.

    btw, defensive spending in US is nearly at all time lows and is projected to go down further:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6q10D3awAAWOdy.jpg

    So it seems the less US is spending for the wars, the more intensively various propagandists squeal in bad faith about the high levels of spending for the wars, lol

    https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/defense-spending-is-projected-to-fall-further-below-its-historical-share-of-gdp.jpg

    Also it's not USA, but EU that is giving the absolute majority of the cash to UA during this war:

    https://i.postimg.cc/sxVH41XW/UA-help.jpg

    And just from current levels of foreign defensive contracts USA is getting more money back into ecconomy than all that given UA aid, while also improving USA trade balance very notably:


    US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last year, reaching a record total of $238bn (£187bn), as Russia's invasion of Ukraine stoked demand.

    The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported.

    The rest were direct sales by US defence companies to foreign nations.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840

     

    USA trade balance deficit goes down:

    US trade deficit narrowed to $773.4 billion in 2023, the lowest in 3 years and down 19% from a record $951.2 billion in 2022. Imports fell 3.6% from a record $3.65 trillion in 2022 due to the lower cost of oil and the slowdown in demand for goods. Meanwhile, exports rose 1.2% or $35 billion to $258.2 billion, a record high with shipments of capital and consumer goods, and motor vehicles notching records. On the other hand, imports fell 3.6% or $142.7 billion from a record $3.65 trillion in 2022 due to the lower cost of oil and the slowdown in demand for goods. The goods trade deficit with China shrank to the smallest total since 2010 while trade gaps hit records with Mexico, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Mexico, South Korea, Taiwan, and India. In December alone, the deficit was little changed at $62.2 billion from a downwardly revised $61.9 billion in November, and matching forecast. Exports increased 1.5% to $258.2 billion while imports rose 1.3% to $320.4 billion.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

     

    Also almost all the listed countries where trade deficits are still high are going to get more US military tech imports in the future thus also reducing it, e.g.:

    Germany, meanwhile, spent $8.5bn spent on Chinook helicopters. Bulgaria paid $1.5bn for Stryker armoured vehicles and Norway bought $1bn worth of multi-mission helicopters.

    The Czech Republic bought $5.6bn in F-35 jets and munitions.

    Outside of Europe, the weapons report showed that South Korea paid $5bn for F-35 jets and Australia spent $6.3bn on C130J-30 Super Hercules planes. Japan reached a $1bn deal for an E-2D Hawkeye surveillance plane.
     

    Replies: @AP, @Ennui

  622. @Mikel
    @AP


    Probably. But would it be fraud or not?
     
    The question is not whether a politically motivated AG who campaigned on the promise to convict Trump could possibly find some statute somewhere to enact her political revenge. I don't have the slightest interest in debating if this sham trial has found some such regulation or not. It's irrelevant.

    I think it was the Romans who developed the concept of equality under the law. Even a society that practiced wholesale slavery understood that this principle is not only just but also practical to maintain social peace. If the existing laws are applied arbitrarily people lose all trust in the political/judicial system and chaos ensues. This is what is happening right now with many people in the US.

    It's extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution. She's clearly making it more corrupt by applying the law according to her political animosities.

    I understand why you want Nikki to be the nominee, you've explained it very clearly. I would have also preferred DeSantis or Vivek to win the race but not at any cost. Whatever the advantages of one candidate over another (probably not many), it's insane to destroy the basic principles of how a society functions.

    And, regardless of any political considerations, it must have been a very long time since you last applied for a loan or a mortgage because you sound rather clueless of how banks operate. They sure make you fill in your paperwork and declare all your income and assets but they would be crazy to base their credit decisions on that information. You don't really think that you can get a loan by just stating that your income is 3 times what it actually is, do you? Now, this is all compounded when we talk about business loans. I know how it works because I've seen it with my own eyes and there is a reason why banks very seldom lose money on business loans. You try to paint the most rosy picture of your business project that you can and then the bank accepts or declines your request based entirely on their own risk evaluation.

    I've even witnessed one of those rare occasions when a bank loses money with a business loan. It was some sort of a scam where the project was to build a lumber mill in rural Nicaragua. When everything was approved it turned out that the mill was located next to a forest considered sacred by the native tribe living nearby. It was impossible to build anything. My father's partners, who didn't have any idea about the tribe, also lost some collateral but even then I remember that the loses were not catastrophic for anyone. These international projects always involve some public guarantor. Besides, the bank made money on the part of the project where my father was involved.

    If prosecutors started convicting every person who gives inaccurate information in a loan application, the justice system would simply collapse from one day to the other, along with business operations. New York has just set a disastrous precedent that may cost the state a lot of money long term.

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke

    Rich men won in Roman courts.

  623. @AP
    @Mikel


    The question is not whether a politically motivated AG who campaigned on the promise to convict Trump could possibly find some statute somewhere to enact her political revenge. I don’t have the slightest interest in debating if this sham trial has found some such regulation or not. It’s irrelevant.
     
    Whether or not he committed a crime is very relevant as to whether he should be convicted of doing so.

    I think it was the Romans who developed the concept of equality under the law. Even a society that practiced wholesale slavery understood that this principle is not only just but also practical to maintain social peace. If the existing laws are applied arbitrarily
     
    But in this case they are not applied arbitrarily (which means, on the basis of random choice or personal whim). Famous people in positions of power are systematically scrutinized more heavily than those who are not. The Clintons weren't investigated until they became major national political figures. The principle is: the more important you become, the cleaner your record had better be. This is neither arbitrary nor unfair. If this means that people from inherently corrupt industries, or people with skeletons in their closets, or people from universally corrupt business climates are kept out of power - so be it. Thanks to the 2 party system, we can expect Republicans to investigate Democrats and vice versa.

    people lose all trust in the political/judicial system and chaos ensues
     
    Because really corrupt people get prosecuted when they come closer to power?

    Do you think that people from the other political side won't lose trust if they see an incredibly corrupt New York developer gain the presidency despite his corrupt business practices, and nobody investigates or prosecutes him because as a political candidate he's deemed untouchable?

    This is what is happening right now with many people in the US.
     
    What's happening in the USA is that due to the erosion of standards and morals open corruption of various kinds that would never have been tolerated now is, by people of both parties. This is more jarring when coming from people claiming to be conservative. People have become willing to vote for those who commit serial fraud, who cheat on their wife over and over again (starting from Clinton, of course), etc. Do you doubt that if Don Jr. did what Hunter Biden did, most MAGAtards would excuse his behavior?

    If American society were healthier, people like Trump or Clinton would never have made it past the primaries because their moral failings and corruption would have rendered them politically untouchable once their dirt was exposed.

    It’s extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution
     
    So you think if she sent, for example, one robber to prison rather than no robbers to prison the streets wouldn't be at least a little safer, even if her prosecution was based on political reasons? Maybe Trump's ordeals will cause other corrupt businessmen to think twice before using their money to run for office. This probably makes politics a little less corrupt.

    And, regardless of any political considerations, it must have been a very long time since you last applied for a loan or a mortgage because you sound rather clueless of how banks operate.
     
    I refinanced a few years ago, when interest rates close to their lowest. Thank God for fixed rates :-)

    They sure make you fill in your paperwork and declare all your income and assets but they would be crazy to base their credit decisions on that information.
     
    Sure, and I would be crazy or criminal if I claimed my house was twice the size it actually was in the hope of getting much more money than I was entitled to. But "little guys" like me don't have cozy relationships with certain bankers, who would be willing overlook such lies and get me money. The corruption that allowed Trump to do what he did systematically over and over again operates for richer and better connected people than me and, maybe, people in more corrupt environments than my own. But at least, such corruption sees the light of day when it becomes important in national politics. That's better than nothing.

    If prosecutors started convicting every person who gives inaccurate information in a loan application
     
    In Trump's case it was a matter of doing it a lot, systematically.

    New York has just set a disastrous precedent that may cost the state a lot of money long term.
     
    The precedent seems to be - if you are up to your ears in corrupt business practices, stay out of political office.

    Can't say that this is a loss for the country.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    Most of your rant is laughable, but this bears special examination:

    It’s extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution

    So you think if she sent, for example, one robber to prison rather than no robbers to prison the streets wouldn’t be at least a little safer, even if her prosecution was based on political reasons? Maybe Trump’s ordeals will cause other corrupt businessmen to think twice before using their money to run for office. This probably makes politics a little less corrupt.

    This is obviously a false dichotomy:
        -1- One robber
        -2- No robbers

    Everyone paying attention grasps that Letitia James expended vast resources on the witch hunt against Trump. Here is a more rational short form of the actual options:

        -A- One political show trial that fabricated a crime with no victims?
        -B- Tens, possibly hundreds, of violent crimes with physical victims?

    Is it not obvious that B is the better choice if the intent is to protect the people of New York?

    I cannot quickly locate the original, so let me paraphrase a quote for you:

    ===========================
        There are no innocent. Only
    those who have been prosecuted
           and those who have not.
    ===========================

    Under Trump’s 2nd term will his DoJ have equivalent prosecutorial discretion as Letita James?

    • If not, why is it limited?
    • If so, why should his administration not convict and fine James and Engoron? Do you really believe their personal histories are squeaky clean?

    Based on your standard, convicting them would discourage “corrupt” people from becoming an AG or Judge.

    MAGAtards

    Why are you using the term MAGAtard?
    How does this help the level of discourse?
    Should we start referring to your side as UKIEtards?

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Mikel
    • Replies: @LT1488
    @A123

    AP uses MAGAtards because he is primarily a Ukrainian nationalist, and not an American one. The concerns of America to him is secondary to his primary homeland, Ukraine.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  624. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    The West outmatches Russia’s GDP, so it would only need to get to 1/2 or 2/3 of the Cold War levels and Russia wouldn’t stand a chance of keeping up.

     

    Philippe Lemoine doesn't believe that the West as a whole (as opposed to certain parts of the West, such as Poland, the Baltics, et cetera) would be willing to spend more than 1% of their total GDP on Ukraine. Is he wrong about this?

    Maybe, if it is frozen in the way that Korea is, and not in the way that it was 2016-2021.

     

    Agreed.

    At current lines it is about 91% of the 2021 territory, but less than of the 1991 territory.

     

    Yes, I was using the 2021 territory as a benchmark here.

    FWIW, I'm gradually coming around to your position that Western aid to Ukraine should be massively increased (though the MAGAtards are the biggest obstacle to this, frankly), though I can't help but worry about the risk of an accidental nuclear escalation, similar to what would have happened back in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis had it not been for Vasily Arkhipov.

    https://thebulletin.org/2023/10/putins-bluff-a-cautionary-note-about-underestimating-the-possibility-of-nuclear-escalation-in-ukraine/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov

    I'm just afraid that some dumbass hothead Russian military commander is going to order the launching of nukes at some point if the situation will get too bad for Russia and that there won't be a Vasily Arkhipov equivalent to stop him this time around. I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of Putin being willing to sacrifice huge numbers of Russian troops in a nuclear attack if that's what's necessary to also kill huge numbers of Ukrainian troops. I'm talking about tactical nukes being used on a mass scale here if absolutely necessary. I just don't think that Putin can survive politically if he will lose Crimea or possibly even the urban Donbass.

    BTW, somewhat off-topic, but still about the Ukraine War, you might enjoy this blog post by a Ukrainian-Canadian-American professor:

    https://clarissasblog.com/2022/11/03/why-help-ukraine/

    She, of course, also criticizes Biden for being too soft on Ukraine:

    https://clarissasblog.com/2024/01/25/whats-possible/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of Putin being willing to sacrifice huge numbers of Russian troops in a nuclear attack if that’s what’s necessary to also kill huge numbers of Ukrainian troops. I’m talking about tactical nukes being used on a mass scale here if absolutely necessary. I just don’t think that Putin can survive politically if he will lose Crimea or possibly even the urban Donbass.

    Russian leadership believes is in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.

    How would the international reaction be different between “mass tactical” and “strategic”? IMHO, there would be none.

    Putin does care about Russian troops. To protect them, it makes military sense to open with 30-50 full sized strategic weapons. The goal would be incinerating Kiev, Lviv, Odessa, and other logistical centers. How will Kiev aggression resupply with; no ports, no rail, and only smaller indirect roads? Ultimately, cut-off Ukie troops would have to capitulate.

    There is no strategy for Ukrainian military victory. Why does Zelensky refuse to negotiate? What do Macron and Scholz have on him?

    Acting now is the best path towards a sustainable peace deal.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Russian leadership believes is in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.
     
    Their belief system has led them to their modern throwaway culture. Russia is the leader and first purveyor of Nihilist culture in the world today. So long to Christian Orthodoxy in Russia today:

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/18735742_web1_web_RAMclr-011623-disposable-TUE-EXTRA.jpg?crop=1

    If the Russian leadership believes in this sort of claptrap, it's high time to change this leadership.

  625. @A123
    @AP

    Most of your rant is laughable, but this bears special examination:



    It’s extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution
     
    So you think if she sent, for example, one robber to prison rather than no robbers to prison the streets wouldn’t be at least a little safer, even if her prosecution was based on political reasons? Maybe Trump’s ordeals will cause other corrupt businessmen to think twice before using their money to run for office. This probably makes politics a little less corrupt.
     
    This is obviously a false dichotomy:
        -1- One robber
        -2- No robbers

    Everyone paying attention grasps that Letitia James expended vast resources on the witch hunt against Trump. Here is a more rational short form of the actual options:

        -A- One political show trial that fabricated a crime with no victims?
        -B- Tens, possibly hundreds, of violent crimes with physical victims?

    Is it not obvious that B is the better choice if the intent is to protect the people of New York?

    I cannot quickly locate the original, so let me paraphrase a quote for you:

    ===========================
        There are no innocent. Only
    those who have been prosecuted
           and those who have not.
    ===========================


    Under Trump's 2nd term will his DoJ have equivalent prosecutorial discretion as Letita James?

    • If not, why is it limited?
    • If so, why should his administration not convict and fine James and Engoron? Do you really believe their personal histories are squeaky clean?

    Based on your standard, convicting them would discourage "corrupt" people from becoming an AG or Judge.

    MAGAtards
     
    Why are you using the term MAGAtard?
    How does this help the level of discourse?
    Should we start referring to your side as UKIEtards?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LT1488

    AP uses MAGAtards because he is primarily a Ukrainian nationalist, and not an American one. The concerns of America to him is secondary to his primary homeland, Ukraine.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LT1488


    AP uses MAGAtards because he is primarily a Ukrainian nationalist, and not an American one.
     
    That just shows an amazing level of short-sightedness verging on stupidity. With the decline of the US all its clients suffer, including Kiev puppets.

    Replies: @LT1488

  626. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Russians settle, create, survive, build and make great civilisation everywhere we go you dumb f*ckup. As we have sizeable cities, towns, military, industries, trade in the Arctic – then it’s perfectly normal for us to have penal colonies also you retarded bag of shit.

    So moving in random Asians and building 18th century style pit toilets counts as civilization?

    Putin to move 100,000 Asians to Donbas
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russians-bring-over-100000-asian-migrants-into-occupied-territories-of-ukraine/ar-AA1kJKfB

    Indoor Plumbing Still a Pipe Dream for 20% of Russian Households, Reports Say
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049

    HERE COME THE CIVILIZATION BUILDERS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsFBC4SRUiA

    ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE

    YOU'RE WELCOME

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Russian civilization builders spreading their culture even to outer space:

  627. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of Putin being willing to sacrifice huge numbers of Russian troops in a nuclear attack if that’s what’s necessary to also kill huge numbers of Ukrainian troops. I’m talking about tactical nukes being used on a mass scale here if absolutely necessary. I just don’t think that Putin can survive politically if he will lose Crimea or possibly even the urban Donbass.
     
    Russian leadership believes is in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have accept -- It is what they believe. -- And, that belief will shape their actions.

    How would the international reaction be different between "mass tactical" and "strategic"? IMHO, there would be none.

    Putin does care about Russian troops. To protect them, it makes military sense to open with 30-50 full sized strategic weapons. The goal would be incinerating Kiev, Lviv, Odessa, and other logistical centers. How will Kiev aggression resupply with; no ports, no rail, and only smaller indirect roads? Ultimately, cut-off Ukie troops would have to capitulate.

    There is no strategy for Ukrainian military victory. Why does Zelensky refuse to negotiate? What do Macron and Scholz have on him?

    Acting now is the best path towards a sustainable peace deal.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Russian leadership believes is in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.

    Their belief system has led them to their modern throwaway culture. Russia is the leader and first purveyor of Nihilist culture in the world today. So long to Christian Orthodoxy in Russia today:

    If the Russian leadership believes in this sort of claptrap, it’s high time to change this leadership.

  628. @Barbarossa
    I watched the Tucker Carlson Putin interview yesterday, which was wildly amusing. Watching Putin troll Tucker for 2 hours was pretty priceless.

    I'm not really familiar with Tucker since I don't have cable and don't pay attention to "news" personalities. Is he always that stupid? Also does he always have such dumb punchable facial expressions?

    I can't believe that he met with Putin in the Kremlin for two hours and couldn't muster anything but a collection of banal non-sequiturs. I used to think that Megyn Kelly looked dumb when she interviewed Putin a few years back, but (if memory serves) she looked like a real perspicacious thespian compared to Tucker.

    I wish Putin would open up a comedy club where he roasts people. I would go see that. The part of the interview where Putin burned Tucker over getting rejected by the CIA was pure comedic gold.

    Putin came off really well. Whether or not one agrees with any of the man's positions I think you have to admit that he is razor sharp, articulate, and subtle. All around a true realpolitik figure in the Bismarkian mold.

    With American politics being dominated by the moronic and the inarticulate it really makes one wish that we could have any politicians who could express coherent thoughts like Putin can. Like him or hate him, the man is brilliant.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @A123, @AnonfromTN

    does he always have such dumb punchable facial expressions?

    I believe Tucker has minimal experience with foreign language interviews. Without emotion in the translated voice, his timing was badly off. Mannerisms that usually come across as brief & comedic instead were held for far too long and appeared dopey.

    Putin came off really well. Whether or not one agrees with any of the man’s positions I think you have to admit that he is razor sharp, articulate, and subtle. All around a true realpolitik figure in the Bismarkian mold.

    Putin would have done better without the overly long history lecture in the opening. Other than that he made his points well. There need to be more lengthy sit down interviews where it will all be played.

    The American problem is that almost everything is heavily cut to fit a time slot. Then the piece is further sliced and diced for sound bites. U.S. politicians necessarily concentrate on managing those 5-7 second chunks that will receive 90% of the coverage. Trump is a master at this technique.

    Rush Limbaugh repeatedly refused taped interviews that would be cut down. He countered with offers of live sessions where nothing could be taken out of context. The manipulative Fake Stream Media, of course, rarely (never?) accepted.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123


    ...Putin would have done better without the overly long history lecture in the opening.
     
    He was explaining why Russia is doing what they are doing - that Ukraine is too important for them to give in. Since the message is not getting through, Medvedev came out later to put it bluntly: 'If you think you can make as loose we will go nuclear - the 1,000 years of the Russian sacrifices are worth it. We will not disappear - the world will.'

    A chilling statement. Fortunately the odds of Russia losing are small, so it is mostly theoretical. But it highlights the idiocy of the Western Nato plan to grab Ukraine and use it as a battering ram against Russia.

    Imagine a military alliance that separates the US Southwest into a neo-Mexican country (it will soon have Hispanic majority) and then says that Arizona-California will join the alliance and the rest of US has nothing to say about it. Would the rest of US fight and use nuclear weapons to keep it from happening?

    That is the story from Putin-Medvedev - it may not be the best analogy and even be based on subjective reading of history...but the nukes are very real. Should the West bet that Russia is bluffing? If it ends up in a nuke exchange who was 'right' or 'wrong' and broke 'rules' or how tall were the main protagonists won't matter.

    Is Russia serious? They say and act as if they are, and the stakes are definitely high enough...will the West insist on testing it? Maybe they should, a civilization that wants to put its dissident politicians like Trump in jail for 'lying about number of floors' has no better place to go. They should just end it...:)

  629. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, I think that even unproductive members of society–such as, say, the ghetto underclass–should have their interests be taken into account to some extent just so long as doing this won’t be harmful to the rest of society.
     
    Securing basic rights is something different from indulging or morally relativizing. There are countries such as Norway that already have rather lenient laws, best penitentiary systems in the world and a lot of rehabilitation. But this is because those populations are different culturally. And they do not indulge as much. There is also a difference between securing basic standards and mitigating harm vs "their interests", as you say. These people's interests should never be equal to the interests of, let's say, mothers. And yet this is constantly being pushed. It will end badly. The signs are everywhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition
     
    I would have to look at this closer (if I have more time), but it is well known that in the US, free speech laws are often used as a cover for all kinds of degeneracy. The question is how far you want to go - we know that all the boundaries that have been pushed and broken so far, it has been harmful, yet this is still kept in place and taken even further. It doesn't come without consequences and, as always, it is the weak who pay. You are simply not aware of these consequences.

    Would you also support denying EU visas to those US Supreme Court Justices who supported having cartoon/animated child porn be legal in the 2002 US Supreme Court case mentioned above?

     

    Yes, I would, because this is the last thing we need.

    If they will hypothetically publish a book about this experience of theirs only for other adults, should this book be made illegal?
     
    Yes. Anything involving images of children in that context should be illegal. And you know this, you're pushing boundaries (like Jews often do). And btw there is already material out there, including on YoutTube, very easily accessible, that is borderline and it is not being censored. But then they have overly strict laws for other things, it is not balanced.

    BTW, it’s quite interesting that even though Western right-wingers rarely learn Russian, they do sometimes convert to Russian Orthodoxy in order to “spite the libs”:
     
    Those are fake and shallow Orthodoxes for the most part, and, yes, they do this for political, reactive reasons (has little to do with real spirituality). It's funny how they then go around advertising their newfound religious "convictions" - something that is deeply private and should be kept to oneself. Sometimes these are dudes that used to be PUAs, I have no respect for such people. However, I once met one who seemed somewhat normal and genuine, he was a slightly artsy tech guy - he seemed kind of disturbed by some of the recent cultural shifts, so it seems that there is some genuine interest as well, but he was pro-Ukrainian and he also had Slavic roots (very long forgotten W.Slavic roots in his case), and he picked it over other somewhat "radical" religions (such as traditional Catholicism or Odinism).

    I wonder though where they're going to get women, whether they import wives (as usual), or if Anglo women will sign up for this as well. I don't see female Anglo trads going the Orthodox route, but more Catholic. I'm aware of some very conservative Dutch communities, they practice some strict kind of Protestantism (Reformed Church). There are options for those who want them.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts

    I wonder though where they’re going to get women, whether they import wives (as usual), or if Anglo women will sign up for this as well.

    That’s an interesting point but true, most of the Anglo trad women do seem to gravitate towards Catholicism and the more robust versions of Protestantism. I would guess because these churches have more irl presence and accessible communities in Anglo countries.

    Looking back around 10-12 years ago, if you were into trad lifestyle, Orthodox spirituality and could speak Russian, finding a wife would probably not have been difficult, in Belarus there always seemed to be more young women in the Orthodox churches than young men. But this was before these things had become online memes so much.

  630. @LT1488
    @A123

    AP uses MAGAtards because he is primarily a Ukrainian nationalist, and not an American one. The concerns of America to him is secondary to his primary homeland, Ukraine.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    AP uses MAGAtards because he is primarily a Ukrainian nationalist, and not an American one.

    That just shows an amazing level of short-sightedness verging on stupidity. With the decline of the US all its clients suffer, including Kiev puppets.

    • Replies: @LT1488
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123, @AnonfromTN

  631. @Barbarossa
    I watched the Tucker Carlson Putin interview yesterday, which was wildly amusing. Watching Putin troll Tucker for 2 hours was pretty priceless.

    I'm not really familiar with Tucker since I don't have cable and don't pay attention to "news" personalities. Is he always that stupid? Also does he always have such dumb punchable facial expressions?

    I can't believe that he met with Putin in the Kremlin for two hours and couldn't muster anything but a collection of banal non-sequiturs. I used to think that Megyn Kelly looked dumb when she interviewed Putin a few years back, but (if memory serves) she looked like a real perspicacious thespian compared to Tucker.

    I wish Putin would open up a comedy club where he roasts people. I would go see that. The part of the interview where Putin burned Tucker over getting rejected by the CIA was pure comedic gold.

    Putin came off really well. Whether or not one agrees with any of the man's positions I think you have to admit that he is razor sharp, articulate, and subtle. All around a true realpolitik figure in the Bismarkian mold.

    With American politics being dominated by the moronic and the inarticulate it really makes one wish that we could have any politicians who could express coherent thoughts like Putin can. Like him or hate him, the man is brilliant.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @A123, @AnonfromTN

    With American politics being dominated by the moronic and the inarticulate it really makes one wish that we could have any politicians who could express coherent thoughts like Putin can. Like him or hate him, the man is brilliant.

    I think “brilliant” is an overstatement. Your preceding sentence explains your reaction. Putin is simply educated and intelligent. Of course, next to woefully ignorant Western “leaders” ranging from stupid to demented he would look brilliant.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...ignorant Western “leaders” ranging from stupid to demented
     
    I would add powerless. The visible Western political and media elites are disempowered - constrained by taboo rules and by the careful selection-disposal process. They know, so they go along. When they don't, they pay a high price. Like Trump.

    It is a vicious circle...The ideas that built the system and the rules to manage it have taken over. Nobody is allowed to think.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN

    You are entirely correct. I find myself wanting to like Putin more than I should because of that contrast. I'm also quite aware that if I was Russian I would doubtless have many critiques of him domestically.

    A few decades ago Putin would have just seemed a reasonably competent politician but as it stands, his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  632. @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    With American politics being dominated by the moronic and the inarticulate it really makes one wish that we could have any politicians who could express coherent thoughts like Putin can. Like him or hate him, the man is brilliant.
     
    I think “brilliant” is an overstatement. Your preceding sentence explains your reaction. Putin is simply educated and intelligent. Of course, next to woefully ignorant Western “leaders” ranging from stupid to demented he would look brilliant.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Barbarossa

    …ignorant Western “leaders” ranging from stupid to demented

    I would add powerless. The visible Western political and media elites are disempowered – constrained by taboo rules and by the careful selection-disposal process. They know, so they go along. When they don’t, they pay a high price. Like Trump.

    It is a vicious circle…The ideas that built the system and the rules to manage it have taken over. Nobody is allowed to think.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    I would add powerless.
     
    Yes, these “leaders” (hence my quotation marks) are nothing more than figureheads. The real movers and shakers (the puppeteers) are behind the scenes. The same clique owns and directs the MSM. That’s why Western MSM cannot possibly report the truth: those who pay these “musicians” won’t tolerate the truth. It might have been like that for some time before, but now it’s blindingly obvious: nobody in his right mind would believe that Alzheimer’s patient, nonentities like Scholz or Macron, or village idiots like Baerbock or Harris have real power.

    The main weakness of the puppeteers is that they started to believe their own lies. That resulted in numerous policy blunders vs Russia and China. Unless they come to their senses, this will result in the utter ruin of the empire.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Jazman

  633. @AP
    @Mikel


    The question is not whether a politically motivated AG who campaigned on the promise to convict Trump could possibly find some statute somewhere to enact her political revenge. I don’t have the slightest interest in debating if this sham trial has found some such regulation or not. It’s irrelevant.
     
    Whether or not he committed a crime is very relevant as to whether he should be convicted of doing so.

    I think it was the Romans who developed the concept of equality under the law. Even a society that practiced wholesale slavery understood that this principle is not only just but also practical to maintain social peace. If the existing laws are applied arbitrarily
     
    But in this case they are not applied arbitrarily (which means, on the basis of random choice or personal whim). Famous people in positions of power are systematically scrutinized more heavily than those who are not. The Clintons weren't investigated until they became major national political figures. The principle is: the more important you become, the cleaner your record had better be. This is neither arbitrary nor unfair. If this means that people from inherently corrupt industries, or people with skeletons in their closets, or people from universally corrupt business climates are kept out of power - so be it. Thanks to the 2 party system, we can expect Republicans to investigate Democrats and vice versa.

    people lose all trust in the political/judicial system and chaos ensues
     
    Because really corrupt people get prosecuted when they come closer to power?

    Do you think that people from the other political side won't lose trust if they see an incredibly corrupt New York developer gain the presidency despite his corrupt business practices, and nobody investigates or prosecutes him because as a political candidate he's deemed untouchable?

    This is what is happening right now with many people in the US.
     
    What's happening in the USA is that due to the erosion of standards and morals open corruption of various kinds that would never have been tolerated now is, by people of both parties. This is more jarring when coming from people claiming to be conservative. People have become willing to vote for those who commit serial fraud, who cheat on their wife over and over again (starting from Clinton, of course), etc. Do you doubt that if Don Jr. did what Hunter Biden did, most MAGAtards would excuse his behavior?

    If American society were healthier, people like Trump or Clinton would never have made it past the primaries because their moral failings and corruption would have rendered them politically untouchable once their dirt was exposed.

    It’s extraordinarily naive to think that Letitia James is making New York less corrupt with this prosecution
     
    So you think if she sent, for example, one robber to prison rather than no robbers to prison the streets wouldn't be at least a little safer, even if her prosecution was based on political reasons? Maybe Trump's ordeals will cause other corrupt businessmen to think twice before using their money to run for office. This probably makes politics a little less corrupt.

    And, regardless of any political considerations, it must have been a very long time since you last applied for a loan or a mortgage because you sound rather clueless of how banks operate.
     
    I refinanced a few years ago, when interest rates close to their lowest. Thank God for fixed rates :-)

    They sure make you fill in your paperwork and declare all your income and assets but they would be crazy to base their credit decisions on that information.
     
    Sure, and I would be crazy or criminal if I claimed my house was twice the size it actually was in the hope of getting much more money than I was entitled to. But "little guys" like me don't have cozy relationships with certain bankers, who would be willing overlook such lies and get me money. The corruption that allowed Trump to do what he did systematically over and over again operates for richer and better connected people than me and, maybe, people in more corrupt environments than my own. But at least, such corruption sees the light of day when it becomes important in national politics. That's better than nothing.

    If prosecutors started convicting every person who gives inaccurate information in a loan application
     
    In Trump's case it was a matter of doing it a lot, systematically.

    New York has just set a disastrous precedent that may cost the state a lot of money long term.
     
    The precedent seems to be - if you are up to your ears in corrupt business practices, stay out of political office.

    Can't say that this is a loss for the country.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    But in this case they are not applied arbitrarily (which means, on the basis of random choice or personal whim).

    LOL

    What a pointless way of wasting commenting space. I’m not going to debate here if the justice system in the US (DoJ, FBI, security agencies, ideologically motivated prosecutors) is being used selectively for political reasons because, quite frankly, that would be an insult to the vast majority of commenters here who don’t deserve that. We might as well start a debate on the MSM being biased or not lol.

    All I can say is that you clearly care about Ukraine much more than I care about the border, foreign wars, the economy and the battle against woke culture, which is quite a lot. It must be an unhealthy level of attachment to a foreign country. I would certainly never endorse using those agencies against “consultor” Haley, or even corrupt Biden or Clintons, in the way they’ve been used against Trump. Not that there aren’t laws in the US to make them all go to prison if a committed administration so wishes. It’s just not worth it to live in a society like that, as we see in the very part of the world you so much care about. Ultimately, just another example of immigrants turning their new country into the old one. Thanks for reminding me of what I should try to avoid myself and how I should not educate my children.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel

    It is common to say in Central Europe that the Ukies will lose the war and with it their magical Ukraine but in the process they are turning our countries into Ukraine...a lying, corrupt quasi-land, full of hatreds, incompetence, censorship, and misuse of laws.

    AP and his groupies represent that: there are no limits, all is allowed, the unspoken civilizational rules can be broken because the cause of 'Ukraine' is above everything. Deranged fanatics usually act that way, history is full of it - as they lose they try to double down...it is almost comical, but very dangerous.

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    . I’m not going to debate here if the justice system in the US (DoJ, FBI, security agencies, ideologically motivated prosecutors) is being used selectively for political reasons
     
    You seem to have missed the entire point so I will put it to you in simpler terms and more concisely:

    1. The more famous and politically important a person is, the more attention they attract, and therefore the more likely it becomes that their dirt becomes exposed.

    2. This process is not arbitrary at all, it follows a pattern and affects everyone.

    3. This process applies to people regardless of their politics. Remember the Clinton presidency and its constant investigations? Clinton even got in trouble for lying about a blowjob. Remember John Edwards, the sleazy malpractice lawyer who became John Kerry's VP candidate? The scrutiny of his position led to investigations about his infidelity and then an indictment:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards#Indictment_and_trial

    On May 24, 2011, ABC News and the New York Times reported that the U.S Department of Justice's Public Integrity Section had conducted a two-year investigation into whether Edwards had used more than $1 million in political donations to hide his affair and planned to pursue criminal charges for alleged violations of campaign finance laws.[121][122][123]

    On June 3, 2011, Edwards was indicted by a federal grand jury in North Carolina on six felony charges, including four counts of collecting illegal campaign contributions, one count of conspiracy, and one count of making false statements.[124]

    After postponing the start of the trial while Edwards was treated for a heart condition in February 2012, Judge Catherine Eagles of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina scheduled jury selection to begin on April 12, 2012.[125] Edwards's trial began on April 23, 2012, as he faced up to 30 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine

    [it ended in acquittals and mistrials]

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::

    So don't pretend there is something "arbitrary" about the scrutiny and potential legal consequences that come when someone enters the political arena. Whether this is good or not is another matter. Apparently you have more tolerance for corruption by politicians in their business lives than I do. I am glad the Democrats weed out some of the corruption by Republicans and Republicans weed out some of the corruption of Democrats (and that sometimes they weed out corruption by people in their own party).

    The bottom line is that if you seek power in the USA, you'd better expect investigations if you have a lot of skeletons in your closet. And there is nothing wrong with that. The more checks and balances, the better.

    You bring up my family Eastern European background, but your tolerance for corruption and running support for a corrupt businessman is rather Latin America or Eastern European in itself. Probably because you weren't born here.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  634. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    does he always have such dumb punchable facial expressions?
     
    I believe Tucker has minimal experience with foreign language interviews. Without emotion in the translated voice, his timing was badly off. Mannerisms that usually come across as brief & comedic instead were held for far too long and appeared dopey.

    Putin came off really well. Whether or not one agrees with any of the man’s positions I think you have to admit that he is razor sharp, articulate, and subtle. All around a true realpolitik figure in the Bismarkian mold.
     
    Putin would have done better without the overly long history lecture in the opening. Other than that he made his points well. There need to be more lengthy sit down interviews where it will all be played.

    The American problem is that almost everything is heavily cut to fit a time slot. Then the piece is further sliced and diced for sound bites. U.S. politicians necessarily concentrate on managing those 5-7 second chunks that will receive 90% of the coverage. Trump is a master at this technique.

    Rush Limbaugh repeatedly refused taped interviews that would be cut down. He countered with offers of live sessions where nothing could be taken out of context. The manipulative Fake Stream Media, of course, rarely (never?) accepted.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Putin would have done better without the overly long history lecture in the opening.

    He was explaining why Russia is doing what they are doing – that Ukraine is too important for them to give in. Since the message is not getting through, Medvedev came out later to put it bluntly: ‘If you think you can make as loose we will go nuclear – the 1,000 years of the Russian sacrifices are worth it. We will not disappear – the world will.

    A chilling statement. Fortunately the odds of Russia losing are small, so it is mostly theoretical. But it highlights the idiocy of the Western Nato plan to grab Ukraine and use it as a battering ram against Russia.

    Imagine a military alliance that separates the US Southwest into a neo-Mexican country (it will soon have Hispanic majority) and then says that Arizona-California will join the alliance and the rest of US has nothing to say about it. Would the rest of US fight and use nuclear weapons to keep it from happening?

    That is the story from Putin-Medvedev – it may not be the best analogy and even be based on subjective reading of history…but the nukes are very real. Should the West bet that Russia is bluffing? If it ends up in a nuke exchange who was ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ and broke ‘rules’ or how tall were the main protagonists won’t matter.

    Is Russia serious? They say and act as if they are, and the stakes are definitely high enough…will the West insist on testing it? Maybe they should, a civilization that wants to put its dissident politicians like Trump in jail for ‘lying about number of floors‘ has no better place to go. They should just end it…:)

  635. Rather than trying to burn down the Opera House in the Hague, Eritreans should have tried to organize and stage their own opera, in order to get their ideas across better.

  636. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    For business in Lvov – Russian is absolutely essential in many aspects. For those working in the tourism – Russian absolutely essential. Around the University’s and the whole student areas – Russian is very, very noticeable
     
    That is not what you said.

    You wrote:

    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc
     
    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn't know what is going on in the places you've been.

    Russian certainly exists and is noticeable, but it is not the majority in Lviv.

    Lviv is about 15% Russian-speaking, this has been declining every year as the Soviet colonists who came to the city from Russian-speaking areas of the USSR die of old age (their children and grandchildren intermarry and speak Ukrainian). There was a massive exodus of Russian-speakers in 1990, the city was perhaps 40% Russian-speaking in Soviet times.

    In Lviv one does hear Russian spoken by tourists from other, Russian-speaking, regions of Ukraine. A lot of people from Kiev or Kharkiv who couldn't afford to visit Prague would take a train and spend a few days in Lviv, enjoying the city, its cafes, etc. So there is plenty of Russian in the touristy center. One also hears a lot of Russian in Vienna, too, I'm sure at particular times English is overrunning Czech in central Prague, etc.

    As for business - I don't do business there. I imagine they speak Russian if doing business with clients in Kharkiv or Kiev.

    https://www.facebook.com/AntinMykharskyi/posts/1111011112621088?ref=embed_post
     
    That's an interesting observation. He is complaining about more Russian being spoken in Lviv than before (post was from 2019). Apparently people from places like Kiev are buying second homes in that charming city. There are also Russian-speaking "refugees" from Donbas living there and bringing the Russian language with them. So probably the trend has reversed itself and the percentage of Russian-speakers is greater than 15%. With the war, Lviv has seen an even greater influx of easterners. But majority is absurdity. And if they stay, they will assimilate as have the descendants of the Soviet colonists. It is as easy for Russian-speakers to assimilate in an Ukrainian-speaking city as it is for Ukrainian-speakers to assimilate in a Russian-speaking one.

    In Poland they are also complaining about an influx of Russian-speakers from eastern Ukraine and lots of Russian being spoken in Warsaw, so Lviv and Poland have a mutual problem.

    This comment was realistic:

    "Таки туристи. Я як львів'янин відрізняю. Є і місцеві, але місцеві все ж використовують українську в спілкуванні з місцевиими. Хоча є й затяті. То ті, яякі понаїхали в совєтський час."

    AP – someone who has never been to western Ukraine, can’t speak Ukrainian
     
    I had been visiting western and central Ukraine about every 4 years until Covid and the war (so, have not been there since 2017). I might go in 2025. I talk to my cousins every couple of months on facetime/facebook messenger, which is free. I speak Ukrainian well enough to be taken for a native of Lviv when I am in Kiev; in Lviv they ask me how old I was when I moved to the USA (I am the 2nd generation born abroad).

    I can’t think of a single Pole who was a success from the 2 other empires they were cuckholded in (Austrian and Prussian), but in Russian there was plenty. Same thing for Banderetards
     
    There may not have been personal computers if not for this Ukrainian guy from Galicia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubomyr_Romankiw

    https://www.invent.org/inductees/lubomyr-romankiw

    He was a Ukrainian patriot, too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    And if they stay, they will assimilate as have the descendants of the Soviet colonists

    Accidentally or deliberately ,you have stupidly said “Soviet” as “colonists”. Either way it’s an embarrassing statement. S0-called “Ukrainians” are malorossiyans in these “Soviet colonists” of Galicia. Interesting that a fake ukrop as you refer to citizens of 404 moving from 1 part of Stalin/Lenin created Ukraine into another part of Stalin created Ukraine as “colonists”. You appear a wakjob, all the time uses term “colonists” not just to Soviets, but probably on Russians from any era, living on our lands of “Ukraine”.

    Anyway, on this subject –

    1. Lvov founded by a Russian

    2. Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland

    3. Romanians native to Bukovina for many centuries also, deported to Romania

    4.Jews native to both these areas of western Ukraine,well, I don’t need to explain what occurred here……

    5. Izmail region transferred by Stalin from Moldovan ASR into Ukrainian SSR. Khrushchev then eliminated this oblast and transferred it into same region as Odessa. Both administrative moves greatly aiding agriculture and Industry of Ukrainian SSR. Each time attracting Ukrainian “colonists” to move there.

    6. Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists?

    7. At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too?

    8. Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists? especially as it was infinitely more in this direction than the reverse direction

    9. Lvov- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries- something like the caste system in India, LMAO. Blatant colonists? Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?!!!

  637. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...ignorant Western “leaders” ranging from stupid to demented
     
    I would add powerless. The visible Western political and media elites are disempowered - constrained by taboo rules and by the careful selection-disposal process. They know, so they go along. When they don't, they pay a high price. Like Trump.

    It is a vicious circle...The ideas that built the system and the rules to manage it have taken over. Nobody is allowed to think.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I would add powerless.

    Yes, these “leaders” (hence my quotation marks) are nothing more than figureheads. The real movers and shakers (the puppeteers) are behind the scenes. The same clique owns and directs the MSM. That’s why Western MSM cannot possibly report the truth: those who pay these “musicians” won’t tolerate the truth. It might have been like that for some time before, but now it’s blindingly obvious: nobody in his right mind would believe that Alzheimer’s patient, nonentities like Scholz or Macron, or village idiots like Baerbock or Harris have real power.

    The main weakness of the puppeteers is that they started to believe their own lies. That resulted in numerous policy blunders vs Russia and China. Unless they come to their senses, this will result in the utter ruin of the empire.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...they started to believe their own lies
     
    We don't really know what they believe, the motivations are hard to prove. There is powerful inertia and the attitude what the hell, we have peaked, why not try somehing? The rules they created on the way up dictate their behavior as they descend...

    I would pay good money to watch Baerbock with Kamala drinking in a bar, the giggling nightmares so shallow one can wade in with no fear. Yet their obvious stupidity can't be lost on the overseers - they have been cast in their roles exactly because it will be so easy to cast them out when needed.

    The empire can now retrench or it can get a bloody nose. Since the blood is only the Ukie blood, they don't seem to care. And the Ukies - as we see here - are busily moving to Plan B: an ethnically pure homeland in Lvov and suburbs, with missiles and compulsory Bandera marches. It is sad, Lvov is a nice old city, but they need to be put somewhere (we certainly don't want them in Europe, if they haven't realized it by now, they are not paying attention).

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Unless they come to their senses, this will result in the utter ruin of the empire.
     
    Why do you pretend to care? You're only here to milk some bucks and then move on. You've already mentioned that Russia's no longer for you. Preparing your luggage for Singapore or some other nice tropical retirement haven? Hasn't Beckow already enticed you with the "luxury condos in the garden city by the Sea" yet?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    I really can not grasp how is possible people like Harris and Bearbock can hold such a important positions . Their competence is bellow bottom . You perfectly explained

  638. @Mikel
    @AP


    But in this case they are not applied arbitrarily (which means, on the basis of random choice or personal whim).
     
    LOL

    What a pointless way of wasting commenting space. I'm not going to debate here if the justice system in the US (DoJ, FBI, security agencies, ideologically motivated prosecutors) is being used selectively for political reasons because, quite frankly, that would be an insult to the vast majority of commenters here who don't deserve that. We might as well start a debate on the MSM being biased or not lol.

    All I can say is that you clearly care about Ukraine much more than I care about the border, foreign wars, the economy and the battle against woke culture, which is quite a lot. It must be an unhealthy level of attachment to a foreign country. I would certainly never endorse using those agencies against "consultor" Haley, or even corrupt Biden or Clintons, in the way they've been used against Trump. Not that there aren't laws in the US to make them all go to prison if a committed administration so wishes. It's just not worth it to live in a society like that, as we see in the very part of the world you so much care about. Ultimately, just another example of immigrants turning their new country into the old one. Thanks for reminding me of what I should try to avoid myself and how I should not educate my children.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    It is common to say in Central Europe that the Ukies will lose the war and with it their magical Ukraine but in the process they are turning our countries into Ukraine…a lying, corrupt quasi-land, full of hatreds, incompetence, censorship, and misuse of laws.

    AP and his groupies represent that: there are no limits, all is allowed, the unspoken civilizational rules can be broken because the cause of ‘Ukraine’ is above everything. Deranged fanatics usually act that way, history is full of it – as they lose they try to double down…it is almost comical, but very dangerous.

  639. Wikipedia is too textually-based.

    How many of the great apes point, when in captivity? I am not sure you could answer the question by consulting Wikipedia. The answer which you could attempt to put together by using YouTube or reading research papers seems to be all of the species.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  640. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    I would add powerless.
     
    Yes, these “leaders” (hence my quotation marks) are nothing more than figureheads. The real movers and shakers (the puppeteers) are behind the scenes. The same clique owns and directs the MSM. That’s why Western MSM cannot possibly report the truth: those who pay these “musicians” won’t tolerate the truth. It might have been like that for some time before, but now it’s blindingly obvious: nobody in his right mind would believe that Alzheimer’s patient, nonentities like Scholz or Macron, or village idiots like Baerbock or Harris have real power.

    The main weakness of the puppeteers is that they started to believe their own lies. That resulted in numerous policy blunders vs Russia and China. Unless they come to their senses, this will result in the utter ruin of the empire.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Jazman

    …they started to believe their own lies

    We don’t really know what they believe, the motivations are hard to prove. There is powerful inertia and the attitude what the hell, we have peaked, why not try somehing? The rules they created on the way up dictate their behavior as they descend…

    I would pay good money to watch Baerbock with Kamala drinking in a bar, the giggling nightmares so shallow one can wade in with no fear. Yet their obvious stupidity can’t be lost on the overseers – they have been cast in their roles exactly because it will be so easy to cast them out when needed.

    The empire can now retrench or it can get a bloody nose. Since the blood is only the Ukie blood, they don’t seem to care. And the Ukies – as we see here – are busily moving to Plan B: an ethnically pure homeland in Lvov and suburbs, with missiles and compulsory Bandera marches. It is sad, Lvov is a nice old city, but they need to be put somewhere (we certainly don’t want them in Europe, if they haven’t realized it by now, they are not paying attention).

  641. Here is one for Aaron to watch out for, if he ever camps in Ireland:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobhar-ch%C3%BA

    Perhaps, they should dig up that woman who was said to be killed by one to do a forensic pathology. But I imagine there is nothing left of the skeleton by this point.

  642. @Dmitry
    @QCIC


    showing scarcity in rural stores.
     
    There hasn't been scarcity for decades. The issue is affordability. That's one of the things Carlson's trolley had. He could spend 6 days of the populations' median salary on the trolley with boxes of "Unicorn" and "Mini Mills" cereals (it's not some kind of luxury organic foods).

    point of Tucker’s videos showing ordinary life in Moscow.
     
    He wasn't showing ordinary life in Moscow. He was talking about America. This comment I remember most of his report at 1:25 "The low carb lifestyle has not swept Russia thank heaven".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7p2um4uLI

    He believes "low carb lifestyle has swept America".

    I doubt this is true. Low carb lifestyle has not swept America. The problem in America is not lack of low quality processed foods.

    But, in the upper class circle in America, where he exists, it's possible "low carb lifestyle has swept".

    "Everyone is eating organic avocado toast. I wish we had more refined carbohydrate"

    For his viewers, that go to Walmart, I think they have no problem attaining to refined carbohydrates, reheated factory bread and boxes of unbranded cereals like in the Auchan.


    r the amazement of Yeltsin and others in US grocery stores around 1990, so showing video from a nice Moscow supermarket

     

    In normal times, excluding crisis years, the USSR had many quality food products available for people. The food culture was copied in some extent from America. Anastas Mikoyan studied the American food industry during the 1930s. But, there were more strict regulations for the quality of the ingredients compared with today. Bread was regulated fresh not like the reheated bread in Auchan, milk was from glass bottles (unlike the plastic bottles in Russia now which give bad taste to the milk), the Kievan cake was made in Kiev.

    these folks don’t watch Tucker! Many of them are Masha Gessen sympathizing liberals who want to turn Russia into some version of the liberal woke West. Others probably hate Russia because it does have some great things which apparently grew from a Czarist and Communist

     

    Russia isn't much different from the West in those quotidian aspects. Rates of Westernization have increased after 2014. I would say the vision of life "Big Yellow Taxi", but in the wider context we shouldn't complain, there are a lot more important problems in the world than a few parking lots.

    Replies: @AP

    Thank you for the reality check.

    the Kievan cake was made in Kiev.

    But was the Prague cake made in Prague?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    You can get Kyivan cake here in Phoenix at the local Ukrainian restaurant, flown in from Kyiv. It tastes the same as I remember when I last ate it in Kyiv. I've heard that the original "Karl Marx" bakery where it was baked though has closed down. They also have a wonderful honey torte on the menu, and even those wonderful nut shaped cookies filled with a mocha cream. You drove past Phoenix about a half year ago and didn't even realize what you were passing bye. :-)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  643. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    I would add powerless.
     
    Yes, these “leaders” (hence my quotation marks) are nothing more than figureheads. The real movers and shakers (the puppeteers) are behind the scenes. The same clique owns and directs the MSM. That’s why Western MSM cannot possibly report the truth: those who pay these “musicians” won’t tolerate the truth. It might have been like that for some time before, but now it’s blindingly obvious: nobody in his right mind would believe that Alzheimer’s patient, nonentities like Scholz or Macron, or village idiots like Baerbock or Harris have real power.

    The main weakness of the puppeteers is that they started to believe their own lies. That resulted in numerous policy blunders vs Russia and China. Unless they come to their senses, this will result in the utter ruin of the empire.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Jazman

    Unless they come to their senses, this will result in the utter ruin of the empire.

    Why do you pretend to care? You’re only here to milk some bucks and then move on. You’ve already mentioned that Russia’s no longer for you. Preparing your luggage for Singapore or some other nice tropical retirement haven? Hasn’t Beckow already enticed you with the “luxury condos in the garden city by the Sea” yet?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    Why do you pretend to care?
     
    Reading comprehension problems? My condolences.

    I lived here for more than half of my life, spent my most productive years here enhancing the glory of the US science. Having contributed a lot to this country, I hate seeing a bunch of scum ruining it.

    I will certainly retire in Russia. I am not Chinese enough for Singapore. Besides, there are many places in Russia I want to travel to. I was able to cover maybe 5% of those on my brief visits over the years. My next destination in about a week is lake Baikal with its unique ice and surrounding areas.

    There are no direct flights from the US to the RF, but despite the best efforts of Alzheimer-in-Chief’s puppeteers, you can fly from the US to Russia via more than 20 countries. What’s more, right now you can buy lots of foods made in Russia here in the US: buckwheat, candy, preserves, gingerbread, mayonnaise, various spices, etc. Trade is like water, always seeps through.
  644. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    For business in Lvov – Russian is absolutely essential in many aspects. For those working in the tourism – Russian absolutely essential. Around the University’s and the whole student areas – Russian is very, very noticeable
     
    That is not what you said.

    You wrote:

    When I have gone to even Lvov and Lutsk, anecdotally the majority of people are speaking Russian not the 99%+ as in Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev etc
     
    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn't know what is going on in the places you've been.

    Russian certainly exists and is noticeable, but it is not the majority in Lviv.

    Lviv is about 15% Russian-speaking, this has been declining every year as the Soviet colonists who came to the city from Russian-speaking areas of the USSR die of old age (their children and grandchildren intermarry and speak Ukrainian). There was a massive exodus of Russian-speakers in 1990, the city was perhaps 40% Russian-speaking in Soviet times.

    In Lviv one does hear Russian spoken by tourists from other, Russian-speaking, regions of Ukraine. A lot of people from Kiev or Kharkiv who couldn't afford to visit Prague would take a train and spend a few days in Lviv, enjoying the city, its cafes, etc. So there is plenty of Russian in the touristy center. One also hears a lot of Russian in Vienna, too, I'm sure at particular times English is overrunning Czech in central Prague, etc.

    As for business - I don't do business there. I imagine they speak Russian if doing business with clients in Kharkiv or Kiev.

    https://www.facebook.com/AntinMykharskyi/posts/1111011112621088?ref=embed_post
     
    That's an interesting observation. He is complaining about more Russian being spoken in Lviv than before (post was from 2019). Apparently people from places like Kiev are buying second homes in that charming city. There are also Russian-speaking "refugees" from Donbas living there and bringing the Russian language with them. So probably the trend has reversed itself and the percentage of Russian-speakers is greater than 15%. With the war, Lviv has seen an even greater influx of easterners. But majority is absurdity. And if they stay, they will assimilate as have the descendants of the Soviet colonists. It is as easy for Russian-speakers to assimilate in an Ukrainian-speaking city as it is for Ukrainian-speakers to assimilate in a Russian-speaking one.

    In Poland they are also complaining about an influx of Russian-speakers from eastern Ukraine and lots of Russian being spoken in Warsaw, so Lviv and Poland have a mutual problem.

    This comment was realistic:

    "Таки туристи. Я як львів'янин відрізняю. Є і місцеві, але місцеві все ж використовують українську в спілкуванні з місцевиими. Хоча є й затяті. То ті, яякі понаїхали в совєтський час."

    AP – someone who has never been to western Ukraine, can’t speak Ukrainian
     
    I had been visiting western and central Ukraine about every 4 years until Covid and the war (so, have not been there since 2017). I might go in 2025. I talk to my cousins every couple of months on facetime/facebook messenger, which is free. I speak Ukrainian well enough to be taken for a native of Lviv when I am in Kiev; in Lviv they ask me how old I was when I moved to the USA (I am the 2nd generation born abroad).

    I can’t think of a single Pole who was a success from the 2 other empires they were cuckholded in (Austrian and Prussian), but in Russian there was plenty. Same thing for Banderetards
     
    There may not have been personal computers if not for this Ukrainian guy from Galicia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubomyr_Romankiw

    https://www.invent.org/inductees/lubomyr-romankiw

    He was a Ukrainian patriot, too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    Then if you look at names of those in the sick ukronazi failed project from Galicia in high position in 404……Makarova, Shmeigel, Reznikov, Mayor of Lvov Sadovoi ( name , I think, could be both Russian or Ukrop, but definitely not typical Galician so he too could easily be from Soviet “colonists”) – it just shows how idiotic, parasitic and deceitful it is to talk about Soviets as this you moron.
    Governor of Volyn , Yuri Pogulyaiko – someone I am actually about “one degree of separation ” from, though we have never met. This POS totally Russian-world individual, from Lugansk.

    Those are the people I know about, looking at those I don’t know anything about, here are their names:

    Mayor of Ivano-Frankovsk – Ruslan Martsinkiv – LMFAO!!!!!!
    Mayor of Ternopol – Sergei Nadal (!!!!)- don’t know what is happening with that name. If that is from a spanish connection then he is the most Soviet of Soviet people- Either way his wife’s name is Russian.
    Governors of Ternopol ( replaced in a scandal recently, which I do know something about) – Vladimir Trush (must be Ukrainian name), Igor Sopel (???) – interesting – could easily be a Soviet-arrival.

    How stupid or deranged do you have to be to use the word “colonists”, when the actual fake state of Ukraine is the product of about 9 different territories of 6 countries DONATED to it by Russia?!!!

    European-heritage Americans, of course, not native to the US. Maori of New Zealand, technically are colonists themselves as migrated from Pacific Islands ( don’t know if Aborigines are native to Australia). Even the dark Africans of South Africa are colonists ,as the true native Africans there are actually much lighter-skinned, and the truly black Africans migrated from central/west Africa.
    With all that ambiguity with the word “colonists” …….you have amusingly braindead tried to fake that the most artificially ethnically social-engineered place on the planet, Galicia, is a “victim” of colonists……when ukrop Galicians are the most extreme colonisers ever!!! Ridiculous

    what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.

    Your drivel about Lutsk and Lvov are irrelevant. Majority there speaking Russian – they don’t give a f**k how insecure you are about it. Just above 50/50 for Lvov. Anecdotally on the public transport itself it feels even more than that to me. Someone else may do identical walk like I did and say it was 40/60 minority Russian. 30/70. 20/80 – that’s all OK ……but the fact would still be clear that significant numbers are speaking it there. In Kiev, Kharkov, Donetsk…….you are literally talking about going the entire day there, very busy, and not hearing even ONE person speaking in mova.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Mayor of Lvov Sadovoi ( name , I think, could be both Russian or Ukrop, but definitely not typical Galician so he too could easily be from Soviet “colonists”)
     
    He was born in Lviv. His father was an engineer at the bus factory which suggests the possibility of his father being a colonist (two of my relatives in Lviv were engineers and natives of Lviv [born in the city before the war], but they stated that most of their colleagues were newcomers or their children), but Sadovy is a Greek Catholic so his mother was likely a native even if (we are not sure) his father was not.

    Governor of Volyn , Yuri Pogulyaiko – someone I am actually about “one degree of separation ” from, though we have never met. This POS totally Russian-world individual, from Lugansk.
     
    So you are somehow related to Sovok colonists in Ukraine. Everything becomes very clear now. It explains both your vulgarity (when the Soviet colonists first arrived in Galicia, both the native Ukrainians and the native Poles looked upon them as filthy apes) and your bitterness about Ukraine's independence and existence. Most of the colonists eventually became fairly civilized as they mixed with the superior natives.

    In Ukraine, governors are appointed by the president and are often not native.

    Majority there speaking Russian – they don’t give a f**k how insecure you are about it. Just above 50/50 for Lvov.
     
    Thanks for repeating this idiocy.

    As I said:

    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.

    Anecdotally on the public transport itself it feels even more than that to me. Someone else may do identical walk like I did and say it was 40/60 minority Russian. 30/70. 20/80 – that’s all OK ……but the fact would still be clear that significant numbers are speaking it there
     
    There's a difference between 50/50 and 20/80, though a Sovok civil "engineer" might not understand that there is.

    Yes, if you find yourself in a crowd of visitors from Kiev or Kharkiv, or among Donbas refugees, you will hear more Russian. Same thing if you are in a crowd of Russian tourists in Vienna or Baden (I heard a lot of Russian in that city for some reason, when I visited). But to conclude from this that the city is majority Russian-speaking is nonsense. About 15% of Lviv's 700,000+ people are Russian-speaking. In Soviet times it had been about double that amount.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  645. @AP
    @Dmitry

    Thank you for the reality check.


    the Kievan cake was made in Kiev.
     
    But was the Prague cake made in Prague?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You can get Kyivan cake here in Phoenix at the local Ukrainian restaurant, flown in from Kyiv. It tastes the same as I remember when I last ate it in Kyiv. I’ve heard that the original “Karl Marx” bakery where it was baked though has closed down. They also have a wonderful honey torte on the menu, and even those wonderful nut shaped cookies filled with a mocha cream. You drove past Phoenix about a half year ago and didn’t even realize what you were passing bye. 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    It tastes the same as I remember when I last ate it in Kyiv.
     
    So, either your taste buds are defective, or you ate it in Kiev after greedy Poroshenko (Kiev cake is now made by Roshen) has already screwed it up. He replaced cashews with cheap peanuts and butter with cheap palm oil. So, now Kiev cake tastes like a parody of what it was with normal ingredients.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  646. @Mikel
    @AP


    But in this case they are not applied arbitrarily (which means, on the basis of random choice or personal whim).
     
    LOL

    What a pointless way of wasting commenting space. I'm not going to debate here if the justice system in the US (DoJ, FBI, security agencies, ideologically motivated prosecutors) is being used selectively for political reasons because, quite frankly, that would be an insult to the vast majority of commenters here who don't deserve that. We might as well start a debate on the MSM being biased or not lol.

    All I can say is that you clearly care about Ukraine much more than I care about the border, foreign wars, the economy and the battle against woke culture, which is quite a lot. It must be an unhealthy level of attachment to a foreign country. I would certainly never endorse using those agencies against "consultor" Haley, or even corrupt Biden or Clintons, in the way they've been used against Trump. Not that there aren't laws in the US to make them all go to prison if a committed administration so wishes. It's just not worth it to live in a society like that, as we see in the very part of the world you so much care about. Ultimately, just another example of immigrants turning their new country into the old one. Thanks for reminding me of what I should try to avoid myself and how I should not educate my children.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    . I’m not going to debate here if the justice system in the US (DoJ, FBI, security agencies, ideologically motivated prosecutors) is being used selectively for political reasons

    You seem to have missed the entire point so I will put it to you in simpler terms and more concisely:

    1. The more famous and politically important a person is, the more attention they attract, and therefore the more likely it becomes that their dirt becomes exposed.

    2. This process is not arbitrary at all, it follows a pattern and affects everyone.

    3. This process applies to people regardless of their politics. Remember the Clinton presidency and its constant investigations? Clinton even got in trouble for lying about a blowjob. Remember John Edwards, the sleazy malpractice lawyer who became John Kerry’s VP candidate? The scrutiny of his position led to investigations about his infidelity and then an indictment:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards#Indictment_and_trial

    On May 24, 2011, ABC News and the New York Times reported that the U.S Department of Justice’s Public Integrity Section had conducted a two-year investigation into whether Edwards had used more than $1 million in political donations to hide his affair and planned to pursue criminal charges for alleged violations of campaign finance laws.[121][122][123]

    On June 3, 2011, Edwards was indicted by a federal grand jury in North Carolina on six felony charges, including four counts of collecting illegal campaign contributions, one count of conspiracy, and one count of making false statements.[124]

    After postponing the start of the trial while Edwards was treated for a heart condition in February 2012, Judge Catherine Eagles of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina scheduled jury selection to begin on April 12, 2012.[125] Edwards’s trial began on April 23, 2012, as he faced up to 30 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine

    [it ended in acquittals and mistrials]

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::

    So don’t pretend there is something “arbitrary” about the scrutiny and potential legal consequences that come when someone enters the political arena. Whether this is good or not is another matter. Apparently you have more tolerance for corruption by politicians in their business lives than I do. I am glad the Democrats weed out some of the corruption by Republicans and Republicans weed out some of the corruption of Democrats (and that sometimes they weed out corruption by people in their own party).

    The bottom line is that if you seek power in the USA, you’d better expect investigations if you have a lot of skeletons in your closet. And there is nothing wrong with that. The more checks and balances, the better.

    You bring up my family Eastern European background, but your tolerance for corruption and running support for a corrupt businessman is rather Latin America or Eastern European in itself. Probably because you weren’t born here.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Edwards really got singled out quite unfairly. That case always struck me as pay back for running against the black guy. The final symbolic expulsion of ordinary white men from the ranks of the a Democratic Party too.

    Much of it also stemmed from being a decent looking man who married a very ill woman and a weirdly puritanical press who pursued him over a mistress.

    What did he do that any Kennedy or Roosevelt didn’t?

  647. While Putler is celebrating his “victory” in Avdiivka (funny, I don’t recall seeing any videos of the locals welcoming their Russian “liberators”?), the Ukrainians are concentrating their attacks on Russian energy depots throughout the whole country, hitting Russia where it really hurts, reservoirs of oil that are normally converted into much needed cash. I’m sure that the Russian genius Putler foresaw all of this happening and still figured that its a good tradeoff. These attack are just starting to rev up right now, whereas I don’t see any more Avdiivkas on the horizon for Putler.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Let's ee: you don't see any more defeats on the "horizon"? And the "revenge is just getting started"....

    You sound exactly like a clinical case of a psychopath who is losing and lashes out. We always wonder how people or nations walk off a cliff. What is the dynamic that makes them into lemmings with attitude?....You are answering that question in real time.

    The obsession you have with burning objects and with fires is another symptom of the pathology. Let me explain it to you: the Kiev army is not going to win, they can lose badly or less so, more of them can survive or fewer. The Russian energy will be there and there is nothing Kiev can do about it, it is only helpless anger.

    Taking the Minsk deal and forgetting about Nato wasn't such a bad idea. Or is looking at fires and dead soldiers more to your liking?

  648. @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    With American politics being dominated by the moronic and the inarticulate it really makes one wish that we could have any politicians who could express coherent thoughts like Putin can. Like him or hate him, the man is brilliant.
     
    I think “brilliant” is an overstatement. Your preceding sentence explains your reaction. Putin is simply educated and intelligent. Of course, next to woefully ignorant Western “leaders” ranging from stupid to demented he would look brilliant.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Barbarossa

    You are entirely correct. I find myself wanting to like Putin more than I should because of that contrast. I’m also quite aware that if I was Russian I would doubtless have many critiques of him domestically.

    A few decades ago Putin would have just seemed a reasonably competent politician but as it stands, his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!
     
    This is the ability of most reasonably intelligent and educated people. It is too bad this breed is becoming rare in the West and is never represented among Western politicians. Things looked a lot better 25-30 years ago. Sad.

    Replies: @AP

  649. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Then if you look at names of those in the sick ukronazi failed project from Galicia in high position in 404......Makarova, Shmeigel, Reznikov, Mayor of Lvov Sadovoi ( name , I think, could be both Russian or Ukrop, but definitely not typical Galician so he too could easily be from Soviet "colonists") - it just shows how idiotic, parasitic and deceitful it is to talk about Soviets as this you moron.
    Governor of Volyn , Yuri Pogulyaiko - someone I am actually about "one degree of separation " from, though we have never met. This POS totally Russian-world individual, from Lugansk.

    Those are the people I know about, looking at those I don't know anything about, here are their names:

    Mayor of Ivano-Frankovsk - Ruslan Martsinkiv - LMFAO!!!!!!
    Mayor of Ternopol - Sergei Nadal (!!!!)- don't know what is happening with that name. If that is from a spanish connection then he is the most Soviet of Soviet people- Either way his wife's name is Russian.
    Governors of Ternopol ( replaced in a scandal recently, which I do know something about) - Vladimir Trush (must be Ukrainian name), Igor Sopel (???) - interesting - could easily be a Soviet-arrival.

    How stupid or deranged do you have to be to use the word "colonists", when the actual fake state of Ukraine is the product of about 9 different territories of 6 countries DONATED to it by Russia?!!!

    European-heritage Americans, of course, not native to the US. Maori of New Zealand, technically are colonists themselves as migrated from Pacific Islands ( don't know if Aborigines are native to Australia). Even the dark Africans of South Africa are colonists ,as the true native Africans there are actually much lighter-skinned, and the truly black Africans migrated from central/west Africa.
    With all that ambiguity with the word "colonists" .......you have amusingly braindead tried to fake that the most artificially ethnically social-engineered place on the planet, Galicia, is a "victim" of colonists......when ukrop Galicians are the most extreme colonisers ever!!! Ridiculous


    what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.

     

    Your drivel about Lutsk and Lvov are irrelevant. Majority there speaking Russian - they don't give a f**k how insecure you are about it. Just above 50/50 for Lvov. Anecdotally on the public transport itself it feels even more than that to me. Someone else may do identical walk like I did and say it was 40/60 minority Russian. 30/70. 20/80 - that's all OK ......but the fact would still be clear that significant numbers are speaking it there. In Kiev, Kharkov, Donetsk.......you are literally talking about going the entire day there, very busy, and not hearing even ONE person speaking in mova.

    Replies: @AP

    Mayor of Lvov Sadovoi ( name , I think, could be both Russian or Ukrop, but definitely not typical Galician so he too could easily be from Soviet “colonists”)

    He was born in Lviv. His father was an engineer at the bus factory which suggests the possibility of his father being a colonist (two of my relatives in Lviv were engineers and natives of Lviv [born in the city before the war], but they stated that most of their colleagues were newcomers or their children), but Sadovy is a Greek Catholic so his mother was likely a native even if (we are not sure) his father was not.

    Governor of Volyn , Yuri Pogulyaiko – someone I am actually about “one degree of separation ” from, though we have never met. This POS totally Russian-world individual, from Lugansk.

    So you are somehow related to Sovok colonists in Ukraine. Everything becomes very clear now. It explains both your vulgarity (when the Soviet colonists first arrived in Galicia, both the native Ukrainians and the native Poles looked upon them as filthy apes) and your bitterness about Ukraine’s independence and existence. Most of the colonists eventually became fairly civilized as they mixed with the superior natives.

    In Ukraine, governors are appointed by the president and are often not native.

    Majority there speaking Russian – they don’t give a f**k how insecure you are about it. Just above 50/50 for Lvov.

    Thanks for repeating this idiocy.

    As I said:

    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.

    Anecdotally on the public transport itself it feels even more than that to me. Someone else may do identical walk like I did and say it was 40/60 minority Russian. 30/70. 20/80 – that’s all OK ……but the fact would still be clear that significant numbers are speaking it there

    There’s a difference between 50/50 and 20/80, though a Sovok civil “engineer” might not understand that there is.

    Yes, if you find yourself in a crowd of visitors from Kiev or Kharkiv, or among Donbas refugees, you will hear more Russian. Same thing if you are in a crowd of Russian tourists in Vienna or Baden (I heard a lot of Russian in that city for some reason, when I visited). But to conclude from this that the city is majority Russian-speaking is nonsense. About 15% of Lviv’s 700,000+ people are Russian-speaking. In Soviet times it had been about double that amount.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AP


    when the Soviet colonists first arrived in Galicia,
     
    Wow, the bimbo idiocy from this fantasist continues! I suppose you as a dumbfuck, who has NEVER visited these places, has no actual connection to them, because of that not helping any ukrops desperate to come to US ( even though US government pays these clowns for that) - you can shamefully continue in a way that even the Baltards on here would not . 1 milllion, 2 million , 5 million dead ukrops is an irrelevance to a fantasist scumtroll as yourself, economy permanantly crippled.......it's irrelevant for a sociopathic freakshow. I will save energy and just repost what I wrote:

    1. Lvov founded by a Russian

    2. Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland

    3. Romanians native to Bukovina for many centuries also, deported to Romania

    4. Millions of Jews native to both these areas of western Ukraine,well, I don’t need to explain what occurred here……

    5. Izmail region transferred by Stalin from Moldovan ASR into Ukrainian SSR. Khrushchev then eliminated this oblast and transferred it into same region as Odessa. Both administrative moves greatly aiding agriculture and Industry of Ukrainian SSR. Each time attracting Ukrainian “colonists” to move there.

    6. Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists?

    7. At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too?

    8. Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists? especially as it was infinitely more in this direction than the reverse direction

    9. Lvov the city- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries- something like the caste system in India, LMAO. Blatant colonists? Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?!!!

    Galicia, because of khokholisation is the most artificially, ethnically-constructed place on the planet you idiot.

    Replies: @AP

  650. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Unless they come to their senses, this will result in the utter ruin of the empire.
     
    Why do you pretend to care? You're only here to milk some bucks and then move on. You've already mentioned that Russia's no longer for you. Preparing your luggage for Singapore or some other nice tropical retirement haven? Hasn't Beckow already enticed you with the "luxury condos in the garden city by the Sea" yet?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Why do you pretend to care?

    Reading comprehension problems? My condolences.

    I lived here for more than half of my life, spent my most productive years here enhancing the glory of the US science. Having contributed a lot to this country, I hate seeing a bunch of scum ruining it.

    I will certainly retire in Russia. I am not Chinese enough for Singapore. Besides, there are many places in Russia I want to travel to. I was able to cover maybe 5% of those on my brief visits over the years. My next destination in about a week is lake Baikal with its unique ice and surrounding areas.

    There are no direct flights from the US to the RF, but despite the best efforts of Alzheimer-in-Chief’s puppeteers, you can fly from the US to Russia via more than 20 countries. What’s more, right now you can buy lots of foods made in Russia here in the US: buckwheat, candy, preserves, gingerbread, mayonnaise, various spices, etc. Trade is like water, always seeps through.

  651. @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN

    You are entirely correct. I find myself wanting to like Putin more than I should because of that contrast. I'm also quite aware that if I was Russian I would doubtless have many critiques of him domestically.

    A few decades ago Putin would have just seemed a reasonably competent politician but as it stands, his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!

    This is the ability of most reasonably intelligent and educated people. It is too bad this breed is becoming rare in the West and is never represented among Western politicians. Things looked a lot better 25-30 years ago. Sad.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!

    This is the ability of most reasonably intelligent and educated people. It is too bad this breed is becoming rare in the West and is never represented among Western politicians.
     
    Romney had/has that ability.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  652. Not looking so good for Ukraine:

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Matra

    They are getting blown up by the superior artillery - it destroys morale. Most Ukie troops are by now unhappy for different reasons: either forcefully conscripted or kept on the front without a rotation.

    There is also the usual sense of pointlessness - unlike the arm-chair warriors in London-Berlin-Washington they know there is no winning this war. Why die for a losing cause? A subset of die-hards will go on till the end, the rest will try to survive by passive resistance. Unfortunately many won't.

    , @AP
    @Matra

    Goldman has been repeating this kind of stuff since the war began. He is certainly a step above Ritter, but should be taken with a grain of salt.

  653. The Little Green men were not resisted at all in Crimea, which is certainly not going to happen in Latvia ECT, the Russian army were already in bases on Crimea, and Ukraine was never a full member of Nato, so 2014 is zero precedent for any kind of operation against Nato members not being reacted to by Nato as a whole in accordance with the rules of the organisation. Furthermore. Nato as a whole has went well beyond its treaty obligations to help non member Ukraine; no one expected that the countries of Nato would give as much help as they did. Putin thought he could do another 2014 in 2022 and got a debacle because Nato was pro active.

    He will plan his next move with the experience of 2022 in mind. I don’t think who is in the White House is a big factor in Putin’s thinking because Biden and Obama being pres did not stop him. Trump is reckless with rhetorical threats but the the Kremlin would surely have no reasonable expectation that he would do what he said and not respond to a attack on a Nato country not spending at least 2% on defence; that was surely just yet another Trump complaint about European Nato members freeloading on the US taxpayer (while pushing the expansion of Nato so as to cocoon them inside Chapter 5 members on every border).

    Russia is not going to be able to conquer all Ukraine unless th US completely cuts Ukraine off from materiale and intel assistance, however it does not follow that any amount of conventional weapons and targeting info supplied to Ukraine will enable it to push Russia back or make it withdraw. What giving unlimited supplies of AA missiles, f16s, artillery plus the longest range ATACMS capable of hitting hardened targets would surely would do is lead to the war reaching a far higher intensity as Russia went all in to avoid conventional defeat while dusting off their tactical nuclear weapons, use of which on Ukrainians army is not going to cause a nuclear war and it in the aftermath it is questionable that America would dare attack Russian forces conventionally out of fear of Russia-that-had already-crossed-the Rubicon being tempted to get out of a another fix the same way responding with anti aircraft or other theatre thermonuclear weapons.

    Someone said that Russia could not use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine without killing many Russian soldiers or leaving the country radioactive. This is not true, which is why Nato doctrine was to use tactical nuclear weapons’ on the battlefield if losing conventionally. Both Russia and American have units specialsing in how to use nuclear weapons to win battles. A former US army nuclear expert Kevin Ryan has said as much.

  654. @Mr. Hack
    While Putler is celebrating his "victory" in Avdiivka (funny, I don't recall seeing any videos of the locals welcoming their Russian "liberators"?), the Ukrainians are concentrating their attacks on Russian energy depots throughout the whole country, hitting Russia where it really hurts, reservoirs of oil that are normally converted into much needed cash. I'm sure that the Russian genius Putler foresaw all of this happening and still figured that its a good tradeoff. These attack are just starting to rev up right now, whereas I don't see any more Avdiivkas on the horizon for Putler.

    https://youtu.be/TChuyaNsg-Y

    Replies: @Beckow

    Let’s ee: you don’t see any more defeats on the “horizon“? And the “revenge is just getting started“….

    You sound exactly like a clinical case of a psychopath who is losing and lashes out. We always wonder how people or nations walk off a cliff. What is the dynamic that makes them into lemmings with attitude?….You are answering that question in real time.

    The obsession you have with burning objects and with fires is another symptom of the pathology. Let me explain it to you: the Kiev army is not going to win, they can lose badly or less so, more of them can survive or fewer. The Russian energy will be there and there is nothing Kiev can do about it, it is only helpless anger.

    Taking the Minsk deal and forgetting about Nato wasn’t such a bad idea. Or is looking at fires and dead soldiers more to your liking?

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  655. @Matra
    Not looking so good for Ukraine:

    https://twitter.com/davidpgoldman/status/1759646579785425187

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    They are getting blown up by the superior artillery – it destroys morale. Most Ukie troops are by now unhappy for different reasons: either forcefully conscripted or kept on the front without a rotation.

    There is also the usual sense of pointlessness – unlike the arm-chair warriors in London-Berlin-Washington they know there is no winning this war. Why die for a losing cause? A subset of die-hards will go on till the end, the rest will try to survive by passive resistance. Unfortunately many won’t.

  656. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    You can get Kyivan cake here in Phoenix at the local Ukrainian restaurant, flown in from Kyiv. It tastes the same as I remember when I last ate it in Kyiv. I've heard that the original "Karl Marx" bakery where it was baked though has closed down. They also have a wonderful honey torte on the menu, and even those wonderful nut shaped cookies filled with a mocha cream. You drove past Phoenix about a half year ago and didn't even realize what you were passing bye. :-)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    It tastes the same as I remember when I last ate it in Kyiv.

    So, either your taste buds are defective, or you ate it in Kiev after greedy Poroshenko (Kiev cake is now made by Roshen) has already screwed it up. He replaced cashews with cheap peanuts and butter with cheap palm oil. So, now Kiev cake tastes like a parody of what it was with normal ingredients.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    I'm thinking that perhaps the story that I was sold was altered. Planes don't fly from Kyiv to the West anymore. Driving a cake from Kyiv to Poland and then flying it to the US doesn't sound viable either. The cake tasted really good, I'm thinking that it was baked right here in Phoenix. There's a great baker in Phoenix from Ukraine that I know that bakes other tortes and cheesecakes......

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

  657. US/British “Operation Prosperity Guardian” in the Red Sea.

    So far, the ships Houthies hit with their rockets were only damaged. Now they hit British bulker Rubymar with two rockets and the crew could not extinguish the resulting fire. The crew was evacuated, while the ship itself sunk.

    Waiting for the “mission accomplished” moment (I hope Alzheimer’s patient won’t mix his scripted lines).

  658. More news on US/British “Operation Prosperity Guardian” in the Red Sea.

    Houthis shot down American drone MQ-9 Reaper near Hodeidah. Looks like their aim is improving.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnonfromTN

    There are also reports that the Russian helicopter pilot who took his Mi8 to Ukraine a year ago - his two unwitting crew members were "shot trying to escape" - has been shot dead in Spain - although this may be a cover for giving him a new i-d.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/19/russian-helicopter-pilot-defected-found-dead-spain-says-ukraine-security-agency

  659. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    I would add powerless.
     
    Yes, these “leaders” (hence my quotation marks) are nothing more than figureheads. The real movers and shakers (the puppeteers) are behind the scenes. The same clique owns and directs the MSM. That’s why Western MSM cannot possibly report the truth: those who pay these “musicians” won’t tolerate the truth. It might have been like that for some time before, but now it’s blindingly obvious: nobody in his right mind would believe that Alzheimer’s patient, nonentities like Scholz or Macron, or village idiots like Baerbock or Harris have real power.

    The main weakness of the puppeteers is that they started to believe their own lies. That resulted in numerous policy blunders vs Russia and China. Unless they come to their senses, this will result in the utter ruin of the empire.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Jazman

    I really can not grasp how is possible people like Harris and Bearbock can hold such a important positions . Their competence is bellow bottom . You perfectly explained

  660. @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!
     
    This is the ability of most reasonably intelligent and educated people. It is too bad this breed is becoming rare in the West and is never represented among Western politicians. Things looked a lot better 25-30 years ago. Sad.

    Replies: @AP

    his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!

    This is the ability of most reasonably intelligent and educated people. It is too bad this breed is becoming rare in the West and is never represented among Western politicians.

    Romney had/has that ability.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    AP, I've got a very plausible alternate history question for you:

    If Hillary Clinton beats Barack Obama for the 2008 Democratic nomination and then wins the US Presidency in both 2008 and 2012, with Obama, her likely VP, winning in both 2016 and 2020, and Putin's Ukraine invasions occur on schedule (2014 and 2022), how do you think that a US President Obama in 2022 would have responded to Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine? Would he have responded similarly to Biden (enough aid to prevent Ukraine from falling, but unwilling to enter into an escalation race with Russia/China), or would he have decided to simply throw Ukraine under the bus and then fund an anti-Russian insurgency there 'coz it's cheaper and wouldn't be as detrimental to US-Russian relations? Or might he have simply done absolutely nothing at all other than imposing severe Western sanctions on Russia, including refusing to fund an anti-Russian insurgency in Ukraine due to the belief that constant Ukrainian terrorist attacks in Moscow are still likely to severely piss off the Russians?

  661. @Ennui
    @AnonfromTN

    The sense of entitlement from these Ukrainians is insane. It's Israel-level chutzpah. I don't blame them, it's in their nature. I blame the cucky weasels in our midst who let them think they can get away with it. Zelensky talks down to our leaders and they eat it up. What kind of normal person lets somebody treat them like that?

    I started rooting for Ukrainian misery the minute they presumed to lecture me about my money.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Lion’s share of all that tax money from US is not cash flow at all, just an accounted worth of given already existing military equipment, so money physically really were spent years ago domestically in US, when factory owners, workers, designers and material commodity suppliers got contracts for producing that stuff.

    btw, defensive spending in US is nearly at all time lows and is projected to go down further:

    So it seems the less US is spending for the wars, the more intensively various propagandists squeal in bad faith about the high levels of spending for the wars, lol

    Also it’s not USA, but EU that is giving the absolute majority of the cash to UA during this war:

    And just from current levels of foreign defensive contracts USA is getting more money back into ecconomy than all that given UA aid, while also improving USA trade balance very notably:

    US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last year, reaching a record total of $238bn (£187bn), as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine stoked demand.

    The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported.

    The rest were direct sales by US defence companies to foreign nations.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840

    USA trade balance deficit goes down:

    US trade deficit narrowed to $773.4 billion in 2023, the lowest in 3 years and down 19% from a record $951.2 billion in 2022. Imports fell 3.6% from a record $3.65 trillion in 2022 due to the lower cost of oil and the slowdown in demand for goods. Meanwhile, exports rose 1.2% or $35 billion to $258.2 billion, a record high with shipments of capital and consumer goods, and motor vehicles notching records. On the other hand, imports fell 3.6% or $142.7 billion from a record $3.65 trillion in 2022 due to the lower cost of oil and the slowdown in demand for goods. The goods trade deficit with China shrank to the smallest total since 2010 while trade gaps hit records with Mexico, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Mexico, South Korea, Taiwan, and India. In December alone, the deficit was little changed at $62.2 billion from a downwardly revised $61.9 billion in November, and matching forecast. Exports increased 1.5% to $258.2 billion while imports rose 1.3% to $320.4 billion.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

    Also almost all the listed countries where trade deficits are still high are going to get more US military tech imports in the future thus also reducing it, e.g.:

    Germany, meanwhile, spent $8.5bn spent on Chinook helicopters. Bulgaria paid $1.5bn for Stryker armoured vehicles and Norway bought $1bn worth of multi-mission helicopters.

    The Czech Republic bought $5.6bn in F-35 jets and munitions.

    Outside of Europe, the weapons report showed that South Korea paid $5bn for F-35 jets and Australia spent $6.3bn on C130J-30 Super Hercules planes. Japan reached a $1bn deal for an E-2D Hawkeye surveillance plane.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
    @sudden death


    The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported.
     
    So a large amount of aid given to Ukraine is compensated for my increased US arms sales (looks like about $40 billion worth).
    , @Ennui
    @sudden death

    I'm paying for Ukrainian pensions. And "it's money that gets spent in the US" is the same excuse Israelis use. So, shut up you mendacious weasel.

    I don't want my cash being spent on a bunch of nose-pickers at a bomb factory in Alabama and Texas. It's as wasted there as it is on a bunch of tattooed Azov degenerates.

  662. @Matra
    Not looking so good for Ukraine:

    https://twitter.com/davidpgoldman/status/1759646579785425187

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    Goldman has been repeating this kind of stuff since the war began. He is certainly a step above Ritter, but should be taken with a grain of salt.

  663. @sudden death
    @Ennui

    Lion’s share of all that tax money from US is not cash flow at all, just an accounted worth of given already existing military equipment, so money physically really were spent years ago domestically in US, when factory owners, workers, designers and material commodity suppliers got contracts for producing that stuff.

    btw, defensive spending in US is nearly at all time lows and is projected to go down further:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6q10D3awAAWOdy.jpg

    So it seems the less US is spending for the wars, the more intensively various propagandists squeal in bad faith about the high levels of spending for the wars, lol

    https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/defense-spending-is-projected-to-fall-further-below-its-historical-share-of-gdp.jpg

    Also it's not USA, but EU that is giving the absolute majority of the cash to UA during this war:

    https://i.postimg.cc/sxVH41XW/UA-help.jpg

    And just from current levels of foreign defensive contracts USA is getting more money back into ecconomy than all that given UA aid, while also improving USA trade balance very notably:


    US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last year, reaching a record total of $238bn (£187bn), as Russia's invasion of Ukraine stoked demand.

    The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported.

    The rest were direct sales by US defence companies to foreign nations.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840

     

    USA trade balance deficit goes down:

    US trade deficit narrowed to $773.4 billion in 2023, the lowest in 3 years and down 19% from a record $951.2 billion in 2022. Imports fell 3.6% from a record $3.65 trillion in 2022 due to the lower cost of oil and the slowdown in demand for goods. Meanwhile, exports rose 1.2% or $35 billion to $258.2 billion, a record high with shipments of capital and consumer goods, and motor vehicles notching records. On the other hand, imports fell 3.6% or $142.7 billion from a record $3.65 trillion in 2022 due to the lower cost of oil and the slowdown in demand for goods. The goods trade deficit with China shrank to the smallest total since 2010 while trade gaps hit records with Mexico, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Mexico, South Korea, Taiwan, and India. In December alone, the deficit was little changed at $62.2 billion from a downwardly revised $61.9 billion in November, and matching forecast. Exports increased 1.5% to $258.2 billion while imports rose 1.3% to $320.4 billion.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

     

    Also almost all the listed countries where trade deficits are still high are going to get more US military tech imports in the future thus also reducing it, e.g.:

    Germany, meanwhile, spent $8.5bn spent on Chinook helicopters. Bulgaria paid $1.5bn for Stryker armoured vehicles and Norway bought $1bn worth of multi-mission helicopters.

    The Czech Republic bought $5.6bn in F-35 jets and munitions.

    Outside of Europe, the weapons report showed that South Korea paid $5bn for F-35 jets and Australia spent $6.3bn on C130J-30 Super Hercules planes. Japan reached a $1bn deal for an E-2D Hawkeye surveillance plane.
     

    Replies: @AP, @Ennui

    The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported.

    So a large amount of aid given to Ukraine is compensated for my increased US arms sales (looks like about $40 billion worth).

  664. @AnonfromTN
    More news on US/British “Operation Prosperity Guardian” in the Red Sea.

    Houthis shot down American drone MQ-9 Reaper near Hodeidah. Looks like their aim is improving.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    There are also reports that the Russian helicopter pilot who took his Mi8 to Ukraine a year ago – his two unwitting crew members were “shot trying to escape” – has been shot dead in Spain – although this may be a cover for giving him a new i-d.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/19/russian-helicopter-pilot-defected-found-dead-spain-says-ukraine-security-agency

  665. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    USA is also biggest weaponry exporter, out there so all those expenses will come back eventually and reduce US trade deficit.
     
    You are confusing two totally separate things. If adding tens of billions of dollars to the deficit by giving away weapons to a foreign country was a good thing for the economy, the US government would be doing that with or without any war in Ukraine. Why do you think that the US doesn't do that regularly and no serious economist recommends donating billions in weapons as an ongoing policy?

    It is true that it has so happened that the US (and other Western) weapons have proven very effective while the Russian military in general has proven much weaker than anyone thought. It could have been the other way (and things can still turn around as the war drags on and the Russians learn from their mistakes and test-field new weapons) but for now this is resulting in increased sales of US weapons. However, the push to donate many billions in weapons to Ukraine is not based on how good it is for US exports, it would be there even if the Russians had proven more capable and it would likely be even more acute in that case. US officials and lawmakers would be more pressed to stop a Russian advance towards the West. So let's not confuse two totally separate things.

    Besides, increased military spending by the global West is just another form of the broken window fallacy. Sure, if Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Norway, Greece, Netherlands and all the rest get convinced that the Russians are going to land on their shores anytime now and start buying US weapons like maniacs, imagine how good that would be for US weapons manufacturers (while the mania lasts). But that is money that they will have to stop using on other more pressing needs for their populations and divert to the Russian boogeyman threat. Bastiat's broken window fallacy in its pure form. Money that individuals would have spent on something totally different out of their free will will get diverted to a real or self-inflicted problem that wasn't there before, and the collective becomes poorer, just like when someone breaks the windows of their houses.

    I'm actually quite happy to see that the weapons protecting the countries where me and my extended family live are very good. But rather than seeing Raytheon's and Boeing's profits grow, I'd prefer to live in a world with much less military spending and thus much more money available to fix the things that I really care about. Military spending is like spending a lot on securing your house from burglars and criminals and having less to spend on leisure, travel and health. With the aggravating factor that many of those criminals wouldn't even be there threatening you if you hadn't threatened them before.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

    Military spending is like spending a lot on securing your house from burglars and criminals and having less to spend on leisure, travel and health. With the aggravating factor that many of those criminals wouldn’t even be there threatening you if you hadn’t threatened them before.

    Returning to this theme – spending for security in the house in principle is almost indistinguishable from preventive health spending, cause most likely you won’t have good health anymore after criminals will visit you, at least for a while, in best case;) Also it’s quite naive to think that many criminals are doing criminal things because they’re acting in retribution for some real or imaginable threats, cause the basic reason is just greed for getting some material things or even sadistic self satisfaction while acting violently.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @sudden death

    Faulty thinking, as usual. But there is some element of truth in your analogy. The US spending colossal amounts of money on foreign wars and military presence around the world is like an obese, alcoholic chain smoker spending vast amounts of money on healthcare. Virtually all potential enemies of the US today are countries where the US decided to intervene without these countries posing any real threat to it.

    In any case, taking your figures at face value, it looks like Congress has taken the most advantageous course of action for American financial interests. We can't let Ukrainians win rapidly and kill the cash cow we have found. We must let the Russians advance again and become a threat for as long as possible. Ideally forever. That will keep European countries spending vast amounts on American weapons indefinitely. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this is exactly what some people in DC have in mind.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Ennui
    @sudden death

    The people who want to fund the Ukraine also want to go easy on criminals domestically.

  666. It’s been interesting to see the big soda companies pull out of Russia.

    The drinks that replaced them seem to be the imitation ones with the same distribution networks.

    Not new stuff or the old Soviet flavors. Not smaller outfits. But the same, biggest distribution networks, distributing ersatz stuff.

    It is probably like this, outside of Russia for a lot of stuff. What matters is the distribution networks.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    What type of sugar do they use in Russian soda drinks?

    In the USA these drinks are mostly sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. At least some Mexican Coca-Cola and maybe Dr. Pepper in Texas are still sweetened with cane sugar.

    Replies: @songbird

  667. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    It tastes the same as I remember when I last ate it in Kyiv.
     
    So, either your taste buds are defective, or you ate it in Kiev after greedy Poroshenko (Kiev cake is now made by Roshen) has already screwed it up. He replaced cashews with cheap peanuts and butter with cheap palm oil. So, now Kiev cake tastes like a parody of what it was with normal ingredients.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m thinking that perhaps the story that I was sold was altered. Planes don’t fly from Kyiv to the West anymore. Driving a cake from Kyiv to Poland and then flying it to the US doesn’t sound viable either. The cake tasted really good, I’m thinking that it was baked right here in Phoenix. There’s a great baker in Phoenix from Ukraine that I know that bakes other tortes and cheesecakes……

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Do any European airlines currently fly to Kiev?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    There’s a great baker in Phoenix from Ukraine
     
    If that baker uses cashews and butter and stays away from peanuts and palm oil, he can make a very good Kiev cake. I loved it when it was real, not cheap Poroshenko fake.
  668. @songbird
    It's been interesting to see the big soda companies pull out of Russia.

    The drinks that replaced them seem to be the imitation ones with the same distribution networks.

    Not new stuff or the old Soviet flavors. Not smaller outfits. But the same, biggest distribution networks, distributing ersatz stuff.

    It is probably like this, outside of Russia for a lot of stuff. What matters is the distribution networks.

    Replies: @QCIC

    What type of sugar do they use in Russian soda drinks?

    In the USA these drinks are mostly sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. At least some Mexican Coca-Cola and maybe Dr. Pepper in Texas are still sweetened with cane sugar.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC


    At least some Mexican Coca-Cola and maybe Dr. Pepper in Texas are still sweetened with cane sugar.
     
    Yes, I think Coke varies the formula with the location.

    Russia I believe is mostly too cold for corn, so my guess would be sucrose from sugar beets.

    It's pretty logical, I think. But I can't read Russian.
  669. @AP
    @Mikel


    . I’m not going to debate here if the justice system in the US (DoJ, FBI, security agencies, ideologically motivated prosecutors) is being used selectively for political reasons
     
    You seem to have missed the entire point so I will put it to you in simpler terms and more concisely:

    1. The more famous and politically important a person is, the more attention they attract, and therefore the more likely it becomes that their dirt becomes exposed.

    2. This process is not arbitrary at all, it follows a pattern and affects everyone.

    3. This process applies to people regardless of their politics. Remember the Clinton presidency and its constant investigations? Clinton even got in trouble for lying about a blowjob. Remember John Edwards, the sleazy malpractice lawyer who became John Kerry's VP candidate? The scrutiny of his position led to investigations about his infidelity and then an indictment:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards#Indictment_and_trial

    On May 24, 2011, ABC News and the New York Times reported that the U.S Department of Justice's Public Integrity Section had conducted a two-year investigation into whether Edwards had used more than $1 million in political donations to hide his affair and planned to pursue criminal charges for alleged violations of campaign finance laws.[121][122][123]

    On June 3, 2011, Edwards was indicted by a federal grand jury in North Carolina on six felony charges, including four counts of collecting illegal campaign contributions, one count of conspiracy, and one count of making false statements.[124]

    After postponing the start of the trial while Edwards was treated for a heart condition in February 2012, Judge Catherine Eagles of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina scheduled jury selection to begin on April 12, 2012.[125] Edwards's trial began on April 23, 2012, as he faced up to 30 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine

    [it ended in acquittals and mistrials]

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::

    So don't pretend there is something "arbitrary" about the scrutiny and potential legal consequences that come when someone enters the political arena. Whether this is good or not is another matter. Apparently you have more tolerance for corruption by politicians in their business lives than I do. I am glad the Democrats weed out some of the corruption by Republicans and Republicans weed out some of the corruption of Democrats (and that sometimes they weed out corruption by people in their own party).

    The bottom line is that if you seek power in the USA, you'd better expect investigations if you have a lot of skeletons in your closet. And there is nothing wrong with that. The more checks and balances, the better.

    You bring up my family Eastern European background, but your tolerance for corruption and running support for a corrupt businessman is rather Latin America or Eastern European in itself. Probably because you weren't born here.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Edwards really got singled out quite unfairly. That case always struck me as pay back for running against the black guy. The final symbolic expulsion of ordinary white men from the ranks of the a Democratic Party too.

    Much of it also stemmed from being a decent looking man who married a very ill woman and a weirdly puritanical press who pursued him over a mistress.

    What did he do that any Kennedy or Roosevelt didn’t?

  670. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    I'm thinking that perhaps the story that I was sold was altered. Planes don't fly from Kyiv to the West anymore. Driving a cake from Kyiv to Poland and then flying it to the US doesn't sound viable either. The cake tasted really good, I'm thinking that it was baked right here in Phoenix. There's a great baker in Phoenix from Ukraine that I know that bakes other tortes and cheesecakes......

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    Do any European airlines currently fly to Kiev?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    I don't think so. Flight traffic to Russia has probably decreased a lot too.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    There is a site https://www.flightradar24.com that shows you all flights currently in the air. You can see for yourself black holes with no flights there. Ukraine is one of them, and was so ever since Ukies shot down MH17.

    Airlines know who shot MH17 down: they kept flying over Russia until 2022, but avoided Ukraine, like a plague. I am going to fly from Istanbul to Moscow in three days. This flight used to take two hours. Now it takes four because the airplane goes around the madhouse.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Matra, @QCIC

  671. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Do any European airlines currently fly to Kiev?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    I don’t think so. Flight traffic to Russia has probably decreased a lot too.

    • LOL: QCIC
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    AFAIK if you want to fly to Russia from the UK, you must fly to Turkey then get a flight from there.

    I'm pretty sure the Finns have shut the borders, so the train from Helsinki is a bust too.

    As an occasional Flightradar24 viewer, I've only seen one civil flight into Ukraine, and that was to Uzhorod(?) which is only just over the border from Poland.

    Most NATO/US stuff arrives at Rzsesow (?), which is not far from the border, and is also served by cheapo Ryanair UK civil flights. I'm sure it would be interesting to see what else is on the runways, but as a known fanboy it would be foolish to go there.

    There are other rail routes in from Chop (!) - Russia hit one of the Carpathian tunnels early on in the war. All maps of the Ukrainian rail system are from 2008 or so, and I can see from satellite pics that several have been upgraded since (double tracked, electrification).

  672. So much for the Ukie myth that Trump was not selectively targeted: (1)

    New York Governor Admits State Legal
    Targeting Was Only at Donald Trump

    New York Governor Kathy Hochul has admitted the lawfare deployed against the Trump organization and President Donald Trump himself was a specific plan for his targeting and any other business interests or people within New York should not be concerned.

    It’s a rather brazen admission all things considered; however, if it changes the public outlook as the various New York lawfare cases against President Trump continue, is yet to be determined.

    (Via The Hill) – New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) addressed New York business owners in a new interview and told them there was “nothing to worry about” after former President Trump was hit with a $355 million fine and a ban on conducting business in New York for three years.

    Hochul joined John Catsimatidis on “The Cats Roundtable” on WABC 770 AM, where she was asked if other New York businesspeople should be worried that if “they can do that to the former president, they can do that to anybody.”

    Yet more proof that elections interference is the goal.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/02/19/new-york-governor-admits-state-legal-targeting-was-only-at-donald-trump/

    • Replies: @Negronicus
    @A123

    "Vote Democrat, donate generously and STFU and you'll be just fine," governor assured the business community.

  673. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    I'm thinking that perhaps the story that I was sold was altered. Planes don't fly from Kyiv to the West anymore. Driving a cake from Kyiv to Poland and then flying it to the US doesn't sound viable either. The cake tasted really good, I'm thinking that it was baked right here in Phoenix. There's a great baker in Phoenix from Ukraine that I know that bakes other tortes and cheesecakes......

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    There’s a great baker in Phoenix from Ukraine

    If that baker uses cashews and butter and stays away from peanuts and palm oil, he can make a very good Kiev cake. I loved it when it was real, not cheap Poroshenko fake.

  674. @QCIC
    @songbird

    What type of sugar do they use in Russian soda drinks?

    In the USA these drinks are mostly sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. At least some Mexican Coca-Cola and maybe Dr. Pepper in Texas are still sweetened with cane sugar.

    Replies: @songbird

    At least some Mexican Coca-Cola and maybe Dr. Pepper in Texas are still sweetened with cane sugar.

    Yes, I think Coke varies the formula with the location.

    Russia I believe is mostly too cold for corn, so my guess would be sucrose from sugar beets.

    It’s pretty logical, I think. But I can’t read Russian.

  675. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Do any European airlines currently fly to Kiev?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    There is a site https://www.flightradar24.com that shows you all flights currently in the air. You can see for yourself black holes with no flights there. Ukraine is one of them, and was so ever since Ukies shot down MH17.

    Airlines know who shot MH17 down: they kept flying over Russia until 2022, but avoided Ukraine, like a plague. I am going to fly from Istanbul to Moscow in three days. This flight used to take two hours. Now it takes four because the airplane goes around the madhouse.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    It’s the Jew kingdom

    , @Matra
    @AnonfromTN


    Airlines know who shot MH17 down: they kept flying over Russia until 2022, but avoided Ukraine, like a plague
     
    They know the Russians did it thinking they were shooting down a Ukrainian air force plane as they had done a couple of days before. The embarrassingly stupid and contradictory Russian media & government explanations in the following days simply confirmed what everyone already knew. Airlines continued flying over Russia because it, unlike Ukraine, was not a part of a war zone so extremely unlikely to happen again.

    What type of sugar do they use in Russian soda drinks?

    In the USA these drinks are mostly sweetened with high fructose corn syrup
     
    I don't know about Russia but in Eastern Europe their versions of Coke/Pepsi don't taste as sickly sweet as in the US/Canada. I get the impression that only N American sodas primarily use HFCS, something that might be destroying the taste buds of a lot of people.

    Replies: @AP

    , @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Thanks.

    So I guess civilians who must travel to Kiev fly into Poland/Romania/Belarus and drive or take a train. I am thinking of war correspondents, NGO employees, carpetbaggers, freelance organ harvesters, etc.

  676. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    There is a site https://www.flightradar24.com that shows you all flights currently in the air. You can see for yourself black holes with no flights there. Ukraine is one of them, and was so ever since Ukies shot down MH17.

    Airlines know who shot MH17 down: they kept flying over Russia until 2022, but avoided Ukraine, like a plague. I am going to fly from Istanbul to Moscow in three days. This flight used to take two hours. Now it takes four because the airplane goes around the madhouse.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Matra, @QCIC

    It’s the Jew kingdom

  677. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    There is a site https://www.flightradar24.com that shows you all flights currently in the air. You can see for yourself black holes with no flights there. Ukraine is one of them, and was so ever since Ukies shot down MH17.

    Airlines know who shot MH17 down: they kept flying over Russia until 2022, but avoided Ukraine, like a plague. I am going to fly from Istanbul to Moscow in three days. This flight used to take two hours. Now it takes four because the airplane goes around the madhouse.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Matra, @QCIC

    Airlines know who shot MH17 down: they kept flying over Russia until 2022, but avoided Ukraine, like a plague

    They know the Russians did it thinking they were shooting down a Ukrainian air force plane as they had done a couple of days before. The embarrassingly stupid and contradictory Russian media & government explanations in the following days simply confirmed what everyone already knew. Airlines continued flying over Russia because it, unlike Ukraine, was not a part of a war zone so extremely unlikely to happen again.

    What type of sugar do they use in Russian soda drinks?

    In the USA these drinks are mostly sweetened with high fructose corn syrup

    I don’t know about Russia but in Eastern Europe their versions of Coke/Pepsi don’t taste as sickly sweet as in the US/Canada. I get the impression that only N American sodas primarily use HFCS, something that might be destroying the taste buds of a lot of people.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Disagree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @AP
    @Matra


    I don’t know about Russia but in Eastern Europe their versions of Coke/Pepsi don’t taste as sickly sweet as in the US/Canada
     
    So Canada's is the same as America's? I don't drink that stuff at all so I am not in the loop.

    Canada's food standards in general are comparable to Europe's so this is surprising.

    Replies: @songbird

  678. @LT1488
    @Mr. XYZ

    Why are you obsessed with Central Asians and South Asians migrating en masse to Russia? Seems like projection

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Central Asians are Russians’ former countrymen and Russia could sure use a lot more curry.

    In any case, I am talking about a scenario here where Central Asia permanently remains Russian due to Russia avoiding decades of Communist rule. Plus, our host Anatoly Karlin has said that leftist pro-multiculturalist societies are the biggest winners, so I’m aiming to discuss what a winner Russia would have looked like in an alt-history where Russia itself would have looked like this.

  679. Kursk…biggest tank battle in history.

    Also a huge aerial contest.

    The Ukies can’t keep their air. Much like the Germans could not.

    1,200 lost Soviet airframes v 250 lost German airframes. Luftwaffe exhausted by the end of the battle.

  680. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    There is a site https://www.flightradar24.com that shows you all flights currently in the air. You can see for yourself black holes with no flights there. Ukraine is one of them, and was so ever since Ukies shot down MH17.

    Airlines know who shot MH17 down: they kept flying over Russia until 2022, but avoided Ukraine, like a plague. I am going to fly from Istanbul to Moscow in three days. This flight used to take two hours. Now it takes four because the airplane goes around the madhouse.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Matra, @QCIC

    Thanks.

    So I guess civilians who must travel to Kiev fly into Poland/Romania/Belarus and drive or take a train. I am thinking of war correspondents, NGO employees, carpetbaggers, freelance organ harvesters, etc.

  681. How can these two guys be identical twins raised in the same home? Was it the bump that made them different? Or some somatic mutation?

    Why does the disease have such a variable expression?

  682. @LatW
    @John Johnson

    A few years back I bought some gold plated Trump bars. They didn't really appreciate as much as I hoped (lol), haven't really checked, maybe in a few months or closer to November they will become more popular, I could sell them then. :) Or maybe take them to Europe and sell them there (if he wins).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Here are two more things to add to your Trump inventory:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Let's see, you recently did the sex doll thing, now the sharp object in the male anus thing, if I recall, I think that you may have already have done the electronic dildo thing in the past too...is there anything else weighing you down Mr. XYZ? Y0u might as well finish the tour of the inner workings within your mind right now...


    https://mangaeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_5ff7e790079c6/14c9cf95fa859216b0a44fd65a0ea122/7.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

  683. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    his ability to make complete sentences with alacrity seems entirely noteworthy!

    This is the ability of most reasonably intelligent and educated people. It is too bad this breed is becoming rare in the West and is never represented among Western politicians.
     
    Romney had/has that ability.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    AP, I’ve got a very plausible alternate history question for you:

    If Hillary Clinton beats Barack Obama for the 2008 Democratic nomination and then wins the US Presidency in both 2008 and 2012, with Obama, her likely VP, winning in both 2016 and 2020, and Putin’s Ukraine invasions occur on schedule (2014 and 2022), how do you think that a US President Obama in 2022 would have responded to Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine? Would he have responded similarly to Biden (enough aid to prevent Ukraine from falling, but unwilling to enter into an escalation race with Russia/China), or would he have decided to simply throw Ukraine under the bus and then fund an anti-Russian insurgency there ‘coz it’s cheaper and wouldn’t be as detrimental to US-Russian relations? Or might he have simply done absolutely nothing at all other than imposing severe Western sanctions on Russia, including refusing to fund an anti-Russian insurgency in Ukraine due to the belief that constant Ukrainian terrorist attacks in Moscow are still likely to severely piss off the Russians?

  684. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    One, lots of free people live North of the arctic circle, in the RF and quite a few other countries.
     
    I'm perfectly aware of this, as I've been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked "Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?".

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he'd be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I'm not even his fan.


    Ukies posted numerous videos on the internet of them killing and mutilating Russian POWs
     
    Ever read Alex Parker (courtesy of the "free, liberal and utterly humane" Pavel Durov's Telegram)?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    I’m perfectly aware of this, as I’ve been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked “Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?”.

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he’d be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I’m not even his fan.

    Was Russia better-behaved in regards to this back under Yeltsin?

    But Yeah, Russia has a very serious problem with political repression. It also has a giant prison-industrial complex for an overwhelmingly white country. (The US does as well, but the US has many more non-whites, so it’s not comparable.)

    BTW, here is an interesting 1926 book that you might enjoy:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=xUdLAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=pan-europe+kalergi&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_l_T9-7iEAxVcIEQIHW33DXgQ6AF6BAgEEAI#v=onepage&q=pan-europe%20kalergi&f=false

    It’s by an Austro-Hungarian nobleman of mixed European and Japanese descent (his mother was Japanese) and who is arguing in favor of the creation of a European Federation–in order words, a European Union, but even more tightly integrated. This book is certainly ahead of its time. He argues that Europe has nothing to gain from another war, that seeking European border revision through violent means is futile, and that Russia will be imperialist regardless of its form of government, which is why the rest of Europe should unite against Russia in defense of their common European homeland. Again, a very interesting and insightful book.

    • Replies: @LT1488
    @Mr. XYZ

    Kalergi also believed in race-mixing all races to create a ''eurasian-afroid'' which according to him will resemble ancient egyptians...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    He argues that Europe has nothing to gain from another war, that seeking European border revision through violent means is futile, and that Russia will be imperialist regardless of its form of government, which is why the rest of Europe should unite against Russia in defense of their common European homeland. Again, a very interesting and insightful book.
     
    These are good arguments (and, of course, he was right about Russia not being able to transform). There have been various such predictions about Europe's future (some even incorporating Russia in some form).

    But this is the so called Kalergi plan - I haven't delved into it much, but our nationalists despise it. Our nationalists write things about it along these lines (the guy who wrote it was very young at the time so it is very naive, but it's along the lines of anti-federalism which is common for ethnonats, although it does sound a bit dated and should be reviewed with a fresh lens of 2024):

    "1. Two European Unions

    The European Union was founded as a union of Christian European nations under a common civilizational identity.

    The fathers of the European Union, Konrad Adenauer and Robert Schuman, knew that Europe could not be united by power and imperialism, as various European powers had tried for centuries, but only by respecting national differences and the interests of each country, and by linking these interests in a mutually beneficial mechanism. Europe will be created by "concrete achievements which (..) will create true solidarity"[1] - this is what French Foreign Minister Robert Schuman said at the time of the establishment of the European Coal and Steel Union. "Political unity does not mean absorbing the people. Political integration does not mean giving up national sovereignty. The bond that unites Europe will not lead to the denial of the fatherland.” [2] Can it be expressed more clearly? The European Union was intended as a format for mutual cooperation between European nations! This political realism was intertwined with the understanding of the nature of democracy, that is, “either democracy will be Christian or it will not exist. Antichristian democracy is a caricature that will descend either into tyranny or anarchy.”

    But at the same time, there was also the other direction - the same old imperialism, only in a new form. It is Richard von Coudenhove Kalergi's Pan-Europe, which would mean the mixing of peoples and the elimination of national differences in the name of utopia. This was the basis for the European federalist movement, which wants to transform the European Union (and to some extent has transformed it) into a centralized and bureaucratized monster that controls each individual country with its dictates. Italian communist Altiero Spinelli was the official founder of the European Federalist movement, a key figure in transforming Adenauer and Schuman's Europe into what the European Union is today. The main building of the European Parliament in Brussels is also named after him. These European federalists of communist origin are not talking about the essence of Europe, or its identity as a civilization and the preservation of that identity, but about functions. For example, about the same "democracy", which, as we see, is detached from its Christian context, in the execution of the European Commission, it really turns into tyranny and anarchy at the same time. The "solidarity" demanded by this commission is divorced from the real values ​​and shared achievements that could encourage European nations to give up some of their independence for the common cause. Therefore, it is not solidarity, but a dictate that is justified by the ideological slogans of leftist multiculturalism. This ideology fulfills the task of a pseudo-religion for this new pseudo-elite, which tries to acquire a monopoly on Europeanness, while simultaneously denying the foundations of European culture.

    Until the 90s of the last century, European leaders such as Margaret Thatcher defended the European Union as a model of cooperation between nation states against the federalist model, which envisages the centralization of power in Brussels and the reduction of the role of nation states. But the fanatical actions of Junker and Merkel during the immigration crisis upset this balance, which led to the withdrawal of Great Britain from the union, as well as to the alienation of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe from the union. The European Union is at an impasse. No one has discredited the idea of ​​European unity more than these federalists. Many therefore turn away from the idea of ​​the European Union as such.

    But Europe is not only in "Brussels". Europe is where “rooting in ancient Greece a certain common intellectual and artistic tradition, – in Rome – political, legal and military [tradition], and in Christianity – (..) the transformation and transformation of barbaric man with noble religion and ethics. " Europe is our "wider fatherland", and "Europeanness is also a prerequisite for Latvianness - when we lose our Europeanness, we inevitably lose our Latvianness as well." We are Europeans and bear the responsibility not only for preserving and developing the Latvian identity, but also about the fate of our common civilization."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  685. @AnonfromTN
    @LT1488


    AP uses MAGAtards because he is primarily a Ukrainian nationalist, and not an American one.
     
    That just shows an amazing level of short-sightedness verging on stupidity. With the decline of the US all its clients suffer, including Kiev puppets.

    Replies: @LT1488

    Well, what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LT1488

    The EU, at least if the EU will ever become a more independent actor?

    , @A123
    @LT1488


    what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?
     
    This has always been about the European Empire, primarily Germany and France. If you want to include the UK, feel free. The current White House regime has no agency to act independently. Scholz & Macron commanded their puppet, Not-The-President Biden, to provide funding. That gave them a huge boost until the U.S. mid terms. Now, their servitor cannot deliver anymore.

    There is a critical question that must be asked. -- Does the European Empire need a military victory to win?

    The answer to the question appears to be "No". European elites receive a great deal from helping Ukrainians die senselessly:

    • Over 1/3 of "Ukrainian Refugees" are actually MENA and sub-Saharan Muslims. This fits with the SJW Globalist objective of diluting Judeo-Christians in Europe.
    • It creates rifts between EU skeptic nations such as Hungary and Poland. This strengthens the hand of imperialists like Scholz.

    The real question is -- Will Germany and France will provide an additional €3-5 Billion per month, above and beyond last year's EU level? Both Macron and Scholz have serious problems at home. Such increases seem highly unlikely.

    Some commenters here insist that Kiev violence against Russian ethnics will continue with less funding, or even no international assistance. This is the exact Sheeple obedience to European Empire goals that elites desire. One has to wonder how much of the Ukrainian population shares that mind set. The people of Ukraine have to see that they could not achieve a breakthrough at 100% of support, and things look bleak at 50%.

    It is obvious that the best solution is a negotiated deal that locks in more-or-less the current line. And, it needs to limit Ukrainian armament, including No NATO Ever, so they cannot start Round 2 years down the line. All the pieces are there. Sadly, European Empire puppet Zelensky refuses to negotiate.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LT1488

    , @AnonfromTN
    @LT1488


    Well, what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?
     
    Current puppet regime does not have any: it is supported exclusively by the empire and its cocksuckers. Ukraine has a viable alternative: neutrality and trade with everyone. But that alternative will only become possible after banderite regime is crushed. The process is ongoing. However, SMO turned into a war with the whole imperial patch, so it would take longer than expected in 2022.

    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat. They don’t want dismal PR that German Leopard tanks suffered. I wonder why the makers of Bradleys did not demand the same thing: large numbers of US Bradleys were destroyed, some even taken virtually intact by Russian troops, like the most recent one near Avdeevka. So, the reputation of Bradleys suffered as much as the reputation of Leopards.

    Replies: @A123

  686. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I’m perfectly aware of this, as I’ve been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked “Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?”.

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he’d be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I’m not even his fan.
     
    Was Russia better-behaved in regards to this back under Yeltsin?

    But Yeah, Russia has a very serious problem with political repression. It also has a giant prison-industrial complex for an overwhelmingly white country. (The US does as well, but the US has many more non-whites, so it's not comparable.)

    BTW, here is an interesting 1926 book that you might enjoy:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=xUdLAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=pan-europe+kalergi&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_l_T9-7iEAxVcIEQIHW33DXgQ6AF6BAgEEAI#v=onepage&q=pan-europe%20kalergi&f=false

    It's by an Austro-Hungarian nobleman of mixed European and Japanese descent (his mother was Japanese) and who is arguing in favor of the creation of a European Federation--in order words, a European Union, but even more tightly integrated. This book is certainly ahead of its time. He argues that Europe has nothing to gain from another war, that seeking European border revision through violent means is futile, and that Russia will be imperialist regardless of its form of government, which is why the rest of Europe should unite against Russia in defense of their common European homeland. Again, a very interesting and insightful book.

    Replies: @LT1488, @LatW

    Kalergi also believed in race-mixing all races to create a ”eurasian-afroid” which according to him will resemble ancient egyptians…

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LT1488

    Yes, I read that and I believe that he was wrong about that (though certain forms of interracial marriage, such as (White/Jewish)-Asian, appear to be becoming more popular, especially among cognitive elites). I don't want a global panmixia but do support freedom of association and choice in regards to marriage partners (when Kalergi wrote that, anti-miscegenation laws still existed throughout much of the non-Northern US).

    Fundamentally, though, I don't really care all that much about Kalergi's views on race mixing. I believe that he was right about the idea of a European Union and that his idea was noble, visionary, inspiration, and semi-ground-breaking for the time. His other views could have been extremely wrong for all I care.

  687. @LT1488
    @Mr. XYZ

    Kalergi also believed in race-mixing all races to create a ''eurasian-afroid'' which according to him will resemble ancient egyptians...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yes, I read that and I believe that he was wrong about that (though certain forms of interracial marriage, such as (White/Jewish)-Asian, appear to be becoming more popular, especially among cognitive elites). I don’t want a global panmixia but do support freedom of association and choice in regards to marriage partners (when Kalergi wrote that, anti-miscegenation laws still existed throughout much of the non-Northern US).

    Fundamentally, though, I don’t really care all that much about Kalergi’s views on race mixing. I believe that he was right about the idea of a European Union and that his idea was noble, visionary, inspiration, and semi-ground-breaking for the time. His other views could have been extremely wrong for all I care.

  688. @sudden death
    @Mikel


    Military spending is like spending a lot on securing your house from burglars and criminals and having less to spend on leisure, travel and health. With the aggravating factor that many of those criminals wouldn’t even be there threatening you if you hadn’t threatened them before.
     
    Returning to this theme - spending for security in the house in principle is almost indistinguishable from preventive health spending, cause most likely you won't have good health anymore after criminals will visit you, at least for a while, in best case;) Also it's quite naive to think that many criminals are doing criminal things because they're acting in retribution for some real or imaginable threats, cause the basic reason is just greed for getting some material things or even sadistic self satisfaction while acting violently.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ennui

    Faulty thinking, as usual. But there is some element of truth in your analogy. The US spending colossal amounts of money on foreign wars and military presence around the world is like an obese, alcoholic chain smoker spending vast amounts of money on healthcare. Virtually all potential enemies of the US today are countries where the US decided to intervene without these countries posing any real threat to it.

    In any case, taking your figures at face value, it looks like Congress has taken the most advantageous course of action for American financial interests. We can’t let Ukrainians win rapidly and kill the cash cow we have found. We must let the Russians advance again and become a threat for as long as possible. Ideally forever. That will keep European countries spending vast amounts on American weapons indefinitely. I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if this is exactly what some people in DC have in mind.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    In any case, taking your figures at face value, it looks like Congress has taken the most advantageous course of action for American financial interests. We can’t let Ukrainians win rapidly and kill the cash cow we have found. We must let the Russians advance again and become a threat for as long as possible. Ideally forever. That will keep European countries spending vast amounts on American weapons indefinitely. I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if this is exactly what some people in DC have in mind.
     
    This is plausible, or at least as plausible as such a plot can be. Keep the Europeans and spending money on American weapons, keep bleeding out the Russians.

    The more likely explanation for Biden's administration not giving Ukraine what it needs to win quickly and end this war is timidity IMO. Like the lukewarm response to the Houthi disruptions.

    Replies: @Beckow

  689. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Here are two more things to add to your Trump inventory:

    https://www.amazon.com/Original-Dump-Trump-Pen-Holder/dp/B01KJJS8F0

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/813U63NjdaL._AC_SX679_.jpg

    https://www.amazon.com.au/Trump-Pencil-Sharpener-Donald-Paperweight/dp/B07PZS2867

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51MFJiIbILL._AC_SX522_.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Let’s see, you recently did the sex doll thing, now the sharp object in the male anus thing, if I recall, I think that you may have already have done the electronic dildo thing in the past too…is there anything else weighing you down Mr. XYZ? Y0u might as well finish the tour of the inner workings within your mind right now…

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    When have I mentioned an electric dildo in the past?

    I do know of a Putin butt plug, but I won't post it here lol.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    The critical data is what he remembers about life with mommy when he was 5.

    LatW could probably get it out of him.

    I am still waiting for one of Jason Jorjani's interviewers (he loves to yack) to ask him what is the deal with his mother. His ubermensch hero of the first novel alter ego has a torrid love affair with dead mom's identical twin sister. That is the only one of his novels that I have read (most of--a bit of skimming; I definitely did not dwell on the sex scenes with Jason's alter ego's aunt.)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  690. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Let's see, you recently did the sex doll thing, now the sharp object in the male anus thing, if I recall, I think that you may have already have done the electronic dildo thing in the past too...is there anything else weighing you down Mr. XYZ? Y0u might as well finish the tour of the inner workings within your mind right now...


    https://mangaeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_5ff7e790079c6/14c9cf95fa859216b0a44fd65a0ea122/7.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    When have I mentioned an electric dildo in the past?

    I do know of a Putin butt plug, but I won’t post it here lol.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ


    When have I mentioned an electric dildo in the past?
     
    Well, if you haven't here's your chance to do so. Get it all out of you r system, and then how about a cease and desist?...

    You otherwise post a lot of good and interesting comments here. Why muck it up with your predilections for deviant sexual behavior?

    Replies: @songbird

  691. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Let's see, you recently did the sex doll thing, now the sharp object in the male anus thing, if I recall, I think that you may have already have done the electronic dildo thing in the past too...is there anything else weighing you down Mr. XYZ? Y0u might as well finish the tour of the inner workings within your mind right now...


    https://mangaeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_5ff7e790079c6/14c9cf95fa859216b0a44fd65a0ea122/7.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The critical data is what he remembers about life with mommy when he was 5.

    LatW could probably get it out of him.

    I am still waiting for one of Jason Jorjani’s interviewers (he loves to yack) to ask him what is the deal with his mother. His ubermensch hero of the first novel alter ego has a torrid love affair with dead mom’s identical twin sister. That is the only one of his novels that I have read (most of–a bit of skimming; I definitely did not dwell on the sex scenes with Jason’s alter ego’s aunt.)

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    He sounds like a 20 something year old still trying to work out his 13 year old personal sexual issues. Otherwise he has all of the earmarks of developing into an interesting and articulate ENR, or even at some later point into a billiant MrH. :-)

  692. Based Kazakhs:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13050789/Kazakhstan-surgically-remove-paedophiles-genitals-new-draft-law-complaints-chemical-castration-not-harsh-enough.html

    (But of course what if one is *falsely* convicted of child rape and then loses one’s balls? No way to grow them back. Just a case of severe collateral damage?)

  693. @LT1488
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123, @AnonfromTN

    The EU, at least if the EU will ever become a more independent actor?

  694. @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    Musk is a tool of China, he has a lot of business there. He is supporting Russia because Russia is China’s ally/vassal. Musk has no choice.

    There are some others who are as you describe (such as Vivek, and probably Trump), but not Musk.

    Replies: @Sean

    The Russian nuclear arsenal is essentially equivalent to America’s, but no one thinks the Russian economy will ever equal that of the USA. China represents a very different type of challenge. What the US cannot be confident about its ability to cope with is a military threat from Russia and a commercial one from China– those two latter powers cooperating. Russian defeat in Ukraine is a path to the ultimate nightmare for US strategists.

  695. @A123
    So much for the Ukie myth that Trump was not selectively targeted: (1)

    New York Governor Admits State Legal
    Targeting Was Only at Donald Trump

     

    New York Governor Kathy Hochul has admitted the lawfare deployed against the Trump organization and President Donald Trump himself was a specific plan for his targeting and any other business interests or people within New York should not be concerned.

    It’s a rather brazen admission all things considered; however, if it changes the public outlook as the various New York lawfare cases against President Trump continue, is yet to be determined.


    (Via The Hill) – New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) addressed New York business owners in a new interview and told them there was “nothing to worry about” after former President Trump was hit with a $355 million fine and a ban on conducting business in New York for three years.

    Hochul joined John Catsimatidis on “The Cats Roundtable” on WABC 770 AM, where she was asked if other New York businesspeople should be worried that if “they can do that to the former president, they can do that to anybody.”
     


     
    Yet more proof that elections interference is the goal.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/02/19/new-york-governor-admits-state-legal-targeting-was-only-at-donald-trump/

    Replies: @Negronicus

    “Vote Democrat, donate generously and STFU and you’ll be just fine,” governor assured the business community.

  696. @sudden death
    @Ennui

    Lion’s share of all that tax money from US is not cash flow at all, just an accounted worth of given already existing military equipment, so money physically really were spent years ago domestically in US, when factory owners, workers, designers and material commodity suppliers got contracts for producing that stuff.

    btw, defensive spending in US is nearly at all time lows and is projected to go down further:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6q10D3awAAWOdy.jpg

    So it seems the less US is spending for the wars, the more intensively various propagandists squeal in bad faith about the high levels of spending for the wars, lol

    https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/defense-spending-is-projected-to-fall-further-below-its-historical-share-of-gdp.jpg

    Also it's not USA, but EU that is giving the absolute majority of the cash to UA during this war:

    https://i.postimg.cc/sxVH41XW/UA-help.jpg

    And just from current levels of foreign defensive contracts USA is getting more money back into ecconomy than all that given UA aid, while also improving USA trade balance very notably:


    US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last year, reaching a record total of $238bn (£187bn), as Russia's invasion of Ukraine stoked demand.

    The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported.

    The rest were direct sales by US defence companies to foreign nations.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840

     

    USA trade balance deficit goes down:

    US trade deficit narrowed to $773.4 billion in 2023, the lowest in 3 years and down 19% from a record $951.2 billion in 2022. Imports fell 3.6% from a record $3.65 trillion in 2022 due to the lower cost of oil and the slowdown in demand for goods. Meanwhile, exports rose 1.2% or $35 billion to $258.2 billion, a record high with shipments of capital and consumer goods, and motor vehicles notching records. On the other hand, imports fell 3.6% or $142.7 billion from a record $3.65 trillion in 2022 due to the lower cost of oil and the slowdown in demand for goods. The goods trade deficit with China shrank to the smallest total since 2010 while trade gaps hit records with Mexico, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Mexico, South Korea, Taiwan, and India. In December alone, the deficit was little changed at $62.2 billion from a downwardly revised $61.9 billion in November, and matching forecast. Exports increased 1.5% to $258.2 billion while imports rose 1.3% to $320.4 billion.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

     

    Also almost all the listed countries where trade deficits are still high are going to get more US military tech imports in the future thus also reducing it, e.g.:

    Germany, meanwhile, spent $8.5bn spent on Chinook helicopters. Bulgaria paid $1.5bn for Stryker armoured vehicles and Norway bought $1bn worth of multi-mission helicopters.

    The Czech Republic bought $5.6bn in F-35 jets and munitions.

    Outside of Europe, the weapons report showed that South Korea paid $5bn for F-35 jets and Australia spent $6.3bn on C130J-30 Super Hercules planes. Japan reached a $1bn deal for an E-2D Hawkeye surveillance plane.
     

    Replies: @AP, @Ennui

    I’m paying for Ukrainian pensions. And “it’s money that gets spent in the US” is the same excuse Israelis use. So, shut up you mendacious weasel.

    I don’t want my cash being spent on a bunch of nose-pickers at a bomb factory in Alabama and Texas. It’s as wasted there as it is on a bunch of tattooed Azov degenerates.

    • LOL: Sean
  697. Heroes Never Die? Ukrainian force attacks and occupies Donetsk Airport (Avdevka).

    Yes, yes they do. All for nothing.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Whenever you defend your country from outside invaders, it's not "for nothing".

  698. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    When have I mentioned an electric dildo in the past?

    I do know of a Putin butt plug, but I won't post it here lol.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    When have I mentioned an electric dildo in the past?

    Well, if you haven’t here’s your chance to do so. Get it all out of you r system, and then how about a cease and desist?…

    You otherwise post a lot of good and interesting comments here. Why muck it up with your predilections for deviant sexual behavior?

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    I do wish that Mr. XYZ would post all his gay images under the more tag, with the label "aggravated homosexuality."

    In his original iteration, when AK was still here, he seemed to control himself better. Maybe, AK was removing his gay posts? Or he feared a ban?

  699. @Wokechoke
    Heroes Never Die? Ukrainian force attacks and occupies Donetsk Airport (Avdevka).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-g4IFAagrE


    Yes, yes they do. All for nothing.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Whenever you defend your country from outside invaders, it’s not “for nothing”.

  700. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    The critical data is what he remembers about life with mommy when he was 5.

    LatW could probably get it out of him.

    I am still waiting for one of Jason Jorjani's interviewers (he loves to yack) to ask him what is the deal with his mother. His ubermensch hero of the first novel alter ego has a torrid love affair with dead mom's identical twin sister. That is the only one of his novels that I have read (most of--a bit of skimming; I definitely did not dwell on the sex scenes with Jason's alter ego's aunt.)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    He sounds like a 20 something year old still trying to work out his 13 year old personal sexual issues. Otherwise he has all of the earmarks of developing into an interesting and articulate ENR, or even at some later point into a billiant MrH. 🙂

  701. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ


    When have I mentioned an electric dildo in the past?
     
    Well, if you haven't here's your chance to do so. Get it all out of you r system, and then how about a cease and desist?...

    You otherwise post a lot of good and interesting comments here. Why muck it up with your predilections for deviant sexual behavior?

    Replies: @songbird

    I do wish that Mr. XYZ would post all his gay images under the more tag, with the label “aggravated homosexuality.”

    In his original iteration, when AK was still here, he seemed to control himself better. Maybe, AK was removing his gay posts? Or he feared a ban?

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  702. Can be interesting to contrast Hollywood productions (used broadly) to Indian.

    Hollywood made some sort of race-swapped murder show.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverdale_(American_TV_series)

    Whereas, Indians seem to have made something much more in-line with the spirit of the original 1939 Archie Comics, albeit set India, with Indian characters.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Archies_(film)

    Have not seen either, but I understand it was remarked on how innocent the Indian movie seemed and how impossible it would be for Hollywood to make something like that today.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I think that Tintin Is about as close as you're going to get to finding what you're looking for. They made close to 10 films dedicated to this character over time, the last being in 2010. Our old friend Thorfinnsson first turned me on to this character. Aren't we way overdue in getting a report from him regarding what family life without UNZ is all about these days?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Le_Petit_Vingtieme%2C_Tintin_in_the_Land_of_the_Soviets.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  703. @songbird
    Can be interesting to contrast Hollywood productions (used broadly) to Indian.

    Hollywood made some sort of race-swapped murder show.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverdale_(American_TV_series)

    Whereas, Indians seem to have made something much more in-line with the spirit of the original 1939 Archie Comics, albeit set India, with Indian characters.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Archies_(film)

    Have not seen either, but I understand it was remarked on how innocent the Indian movie seemed and how impossible it would be for Hollywood to make something like that today.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I think that Tintin Is about as close as you’re going to get to finding what you’re looking for. They made close to 10 films dedicated to this character over time, the last being in 2010. Our old friend Thorfinnsson first turned me on to this character. Aren’t we way overdue in getting a report from him regarding what family life without UNZ is all about these days?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Have read some of the forbidden Tintin volumes and seen the recent film. Surprised it was not woke. Did not realize that there were older films, but the author seems to have disliked them. Of course, he died long before the newest film, so we don't know whether it would have gotten his stamp of approval.

    It may be that Thorfinnson is waiting for some precipitating factor, before he makes his reappearance. For example, some other character like Reinor_tor or mal or Bliss to return beforehand.

    Replies: @songbird

  704. @LT1488
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123, @AnonfromTN

    what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?

    This has always been about the European Empire, primarily Germany and France. If you want to include the UK, feel free. The current White House regime has no agency to act independently. Scholz & Macron commanded their puppet, Not-The-President Biden, to provide funding. That gave them a huge boost until the U.S. mid terms. Now, their servitor cannot deliver anymore.

    There is a critical question that must be asked. — Does the European Empire need a military victory to win?

    The answer to the question appears to be “No”. European elites receive a great deal from helping Ukrainians die senselessly:

    • Over 1/3 of “Ukrainian Refugees” are actually MENA and sub-Saharan Muslims. This fits with the SJW Globalist objective of diluting Judeo-Christians in Europe.
    • It creates rifts between EU skeptic nations such as Hungary and Poland. This strengthens the hand of imperialists like Scholz.

    The real question is — Will Germany and France will provide an additional €3-5 Billion per month, above and beyond last year’s EU level? Both Macron and Scholz have serious problems at home. Such increases seem highly unlikely.

    Some commenters here insist that Kiev violence against Russian ethnics will continue with less funding, or even no international assistance. This is the exact Sheeple obedience to European Empire goals that elites desire. One has to wonder how much of the Ukrainian population shares that mind set. The people of Ukraine have to see that they could not achieve a breakthrough at 100% of support, and things look bleak at 50%.

    It is obvious that the best solution is a negotiated deal that locks in more-or-less the current line. And, it needs to limit Ukrainian armament, including No NATO Ever, so they cannot start Round 2 years down the line. All the pieces are there. Sadly, European Empire puppet Zelensky refuses to negotiate.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LT1488
    @A123

    Absolutely ridiculous take, its the American Empire who is funding most of this, you got it the other way around.

    Replies: @A123

  705. @LT1488
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123, @AnonfromTN

    Well, what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?

    Current puppet regime does not have any: it is supported exclusively by the empire and its cocksuckers. Ukraine has a viable alternative: neutrality and trade with everyone. But that alternative will only become possible after banderite regime is crushed. The process is ongoing. However, SMO turned into a war with the whole imperial patch, so it would take longer than expected in 2022.

    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat. They don’t want dismal PR that German Leopard tanks suffered. I wonder why the makers of Bradleys did not demand the same thing: large numbers of US Bradleys were destroyed, some even taken virtually intact by Russian troops, like the most recent one near Avdeevka. So, the reputation of Bradleys suffered as much as the reputation of Leopards.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat.
     
    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?

    There is a genuine limitation to using M1's forward. Their turbines run on jet fuel. An entirely new logistics chain would be required to keep the engines running. In the early days, they will need to spend a great deal of time near airfields. That will allow them to share support vehicles with the planes.

    How much excess jet fuel is available in Ukraine? In addition to Abrams they also want F-16's.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

  706. Ukie PM Shmyhal just complained that Ukraine lost 20% of its territory, one third of the economy, and 10 million residents. Before that the clown said that Ukraine lost 26% of its territory. AP here claims that Ukraine lost 8% of the territory and its economy is growing. I wonder who is a greater liar: clown, Shmyhal, or AP? Maybe all of the above.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukie PM Shmyhal just complained that Ukraine lost 20% of its territory
     
    That includes the losses from 2014, when Russia took Crimea and Donbas. Crimea and the urban part of Donbas was around 10% of Ukraine's territory.

    AP here claims that Ukraine lost 8% of the territory
     
    Those are the losses since the invasion that began February 2022. Another 8% was lost. Maybe 9% now that Avdiivka has been taken.

    [Shmyhal said Ukraine lost] one third of the economy
     
    It did, in 2022. Or nearly so - it was a 29% decline.

    [AP claims] its economy is growing
     
    It grew in 2023.

    https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2023/12/12/tr-121223-press-briefing-2023-article-iv-and-the-second-review-eff-arrangement-for-ukraine

    "Despite the war, Ukraine's economic indicators are showing strength. Given the stronger than expected recovery, the IMF upgraded Ukraine’s GDP growth to 4.5 percent in 2023, and it is expected to grow next year at 3-4 percent."

    Moreover the decline and growth are not evenly distributed, areas closer to the war have seen a more devastating decline, of course. The Russian-speakers suffer the most as a result of Russia's invasion.

    Ukraine's IT sector, for example, has managed to grow despite the war.

    https://itcluster.lviv.ua/en/lviv/#:~:text=The%20overall%20economic%20impact%20of,representing%20a%20%2B10%25%20growth.

    Lviv is a relatively safe city for opening new offices and representative offices of companies. The overall economic impact of the tech industry in Lviv and the region has continued to grow over the past three years, according to IT Research: from $1,4 billion in 2020 to $1,8 billion in 2021. In 2022, it crossed the $2 billion mark, representing a +10% growth.

    In 2023, despite operating under the conditions of the second year of full-scale invasion, Ukraine’s tech industry generated $6,7 billion in revenues. Thus, computer services constitute 41% of the total volume of service exports in Ukraine.


    I wonder who is a greater liar: clown, Shmyhal, or AP?
     
    If anyone, it is clearly you. How many metro stations were built in Kiev after 1991? Who shot down MH17?
  707. @AnonfromTN
    @LT1488


    Well, what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?
     
    Current puppet regime does not have any: it is supported exclusively by the empire and its cocksuckers. Ukraine has a viable alternative: neutrality and trade with everyone. But that alternative will only become possible after banderite regime is crushed. The process is ongoing. However, SMO turned into a war with the whole imperial patch, so it would take longer than expected in 2022.

    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat. They don’t want dismal PR that German Leopard tanks suffered. I wonder why the makers of Bradleys did not demand the same thing: large numbers of US Bradleys were destroyed, some even taken virtually intact by Russian troops, like the most recent one near Avdeevka. So, the reputation of Bradleys suffered as much as the reputation of Leopards.

    Replies: @A123

    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat.

    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?

    There is a genuine limitation to using M1’s forward. Their turbines run on jet fuel. An entirely new logistics chain would be required to keep the engines running. In the early days, they will need to spend a great deal of time near airfields. That will allow them to share support vehicles with the planes.

    How much excess jet fuel is available in Ukraine? In addition to Abrams they also want F-16’s.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    The long-standing claim was the M1 tank can operate fine on diesel or jet fuel, which are similar.

    The most obvious strength of the M1 tank is the forward armor on the turret. Anecdotally, this area has not been a big factor in the tank losses in Ukraine. I think the top armor of the M1 is as weak as most tanks. Supposedly the expensive Israeli active protection system (called Trophy) applied to some recent M1 tanks reduces vulnerability to top attack.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?
     
    The US sent several Abrams tanks to Ukraine months ago:
    https://www.voanews.com/a/all-31-abrams-tanks-in-ukraine-us-military-confirms-to-voa/7313918.html

    Abrams tanks were never seen at the front lines. That’s not a rumor, that’s a fact.

    Why? I presented my hypothesis. You’re welcome to come up with alternative explanations.

    Replies: @A123

  708. @Matra
    @AnonfromTN


    Airlines know who shot MH17 down: they kept flying over Russia until 2022, but avoided Ukraine, like a plague
     
    They know the Russians did it thinking they were shooting down a Ukrainian air force plane as they had done a couple of days before. The embarrassingly stupid and contradictory Russian media & government explanations in the following days simply confirmed what everyone already knew. Airlines continued flying over Russia because it, unlike Ukraine, was not a part of a war zone so extremely unlikely to happen again.

    What type of sugar do they use in Russian soda drinks?

    In the USA these drinks are mostly sweetened with high fructose corn syrup
     
    I don't know about Russia but in Eastern Europe their versions of Coke/Pepsi don't taste as sickly sweet as in the US/Canada. I get the impression that only N American sodas primarily use HFCS, something that might be destroying the taste buds of a lot of people.

    Replies: @AP

    I don’t know about Russia but in Eastern Europe their versions of Coke/Pepsi don’t taste as sickly sweet as in the US/Canada

    So Canada’s is the same as America’s? I don’t drink that stuff at all so I am not in the loop.

    Canada’s food standards in general are comparable to Europe’s so this is surprising.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP


    So Canada’s is the same as America’s?
     
    70% of Canada's population lives in an enclave, below the 49th Parallel, created by the heat sink of the Great Lakes. They are closer to the corn than I am. Near such top-producing corn states as Minnesota.

    Only they call it glucose-fructose over there.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  709. @Mikel
    @sudden death

    Faulty thinking, as usual. But there is some element of truth in your analogy. The US spending colossal amounts of money on foreign wars and military presence around the world is like an obese, alcoholic chain smoker spending vast amounts of money on healthcare. Virtually all potential enemies of the US today are countries where the US decided to intervene without these countries posing any real threat to it.

    In any case, taking your figures at face value, it looks like Congress has taken the most advantageous course of action for American financial interests. We can't let Ukrainians win rapidly and kill the cash cow we have found. We must let the Russians advance again and become a threat for as long as possible. Ideally forever. That will keep European countries spending vast amounts on American weapons indefinitely. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this is exactly what some people in DC have in mind.

    Replies: @AP

    In any case, taking your figures at face value, it looks like Congress has taken the most advantageous course of action for American financial interests. We can’t let Ukrainians win rapidly and kill the cash cow we have found. We must let the Russians advance again and become a threat for as long as possible. Ideally forever. That will keep European countries spending vast amounts on American weapons indefinitely. I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if this is exactly what some people in DC have in mind.

    This is plausible, or at least as plausible as such a plot can be. Keep the Europeans and spending money on American weapons, keep bleeding out the Russians.

    The more likely explanation for Biden’s administration not giving Ukraine what it needs to win quickly and end this war is timidity IMO. Like the lukewarm response to the Houthi disruptions.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...more likely explanation for Biden’s administration not giving Ukraine what it needs to win quickly is timidity
     
    They are certainly timid. But the answer why Biden doesn't give Kiev everything is simpler: it still wouldn't work. No amount of magical weapons can turn it around - they don't exist and even Bidenites are not crazy enough to go nuclear.

    Instead they are stretching the defeat over a long period. It benefits MIC, preserves some face, and grinds down Europe - a nice side effect. It spreads money longer to the Kiev compradors - they have sacrificed a lot, they need to be taken care of.

    Where did you get the "8%" land loss? The same place where the Ukies lost only 5k people in the paused offensive? (If you pause long enough, how is that different from just stopping?) The Mercator map projection is imperfect, the latitudes are distorted - but it is visual, not real. Like the bulls..t you do: hiding a disaster with words...

    Is this better for Ukraine than accepting Minsk and neutrality? Or is Nato so important that 100k Ukies should die for it?

    Replies: @AP

  710. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I think that Tintin Is about as close as you're going to get to finding what you're looking for. They made close to 10 films dedicated to this character over time, the last being in 2010. Our old friend Thorfinnsson first turned me on to this character. Aren't we way overdue in getting a report from him regarding what family life without UNZ is all about these days?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Le_Petit_Vingtieme%2C_Tintin_in_the_Land_of_the_Soviets.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    Have read some of the forbidden Tintin volumes and seen the recent film. Surprised it was not woke. Did not realize that there were older films, but the author seems to have disliked them. Of course, he died long before the newest film, so we don’t know whether it would have gotten his stamp of approval.

    It may be that Thorfinnson is waiting for some precipitating factor, before he makes his reappearance. For example, some other character like Reinor_tor or mal or Bliss to return beforehand.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    KK was a production partner for the film.

    Spielberg got Steven Moffat to write it. Moffat was involved in creating a recent iteration of Doctor Who.


    As reported by Doctor Who TV, Moffat says that casting a black actress as the Doctor’s new companion was “an absolute decision, because we need to do better on that.”...

    “Sometimes the nature of a particular show – historical dramas, for instance – makes diversity more of a challenge,” he says. “But Doctor Who has absolutely nowhere to hide on this. Young people watching have to know that they’ve a place in the future. That really matters.”....

    Moffat said, “I had this baffling idea that if we just threw open each part to everybody, it would all work out in the end. I put my faith, inexplicably, in the free market. It doesn’t work. You can only cast for talent – you’ve got to cast the best person, every single time – but you’ve got to gauge where you’re looking for the talent.”....

    “[W]e’ve kind of got to tell a lie: we’ll go back into history and there will be black people where, historically, there wouldn’t have been, and we won’t dwell on that. We’ll say, ‘To hell with it, this is the imaginary, better version of the world. By believing in it, we’ll summon it forth.’”....

    And in case you were wondering, they apparently already have tried to cast a black Doctor. Says Moffat, “Absolutely it would [be refreshing if the next Doctor wasn’t white]. Two non-white leads in Doctor Who would be amazing.
     

    https://www.themarysue.com/steven-moffat-on-doctor-who-diversity/
  711. @AP
    @Mikel


    In any case, taking your figures at face value, it looks like Congress has taken the most advantageous course of action for American financial interests. We can’t let Ukrainians win rapidly and kill the cash cow we have found. We must let the Russians advance again and become a threat for as long as possible. Ideally forever. That will keep European countries spending vast amounts on American weapons indefinitely. I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if this is exactly what some people in DC have in mind.
     
    This is plausible, or at least as plausible as such a plot can be. Keep the Europeans and spending money on American weapons, keep bleeding out the Russians.

    The more likely explanation for Biden's administration not giving Ukraine what it needs to win quickly and end this war is timidity IMO. Like the lukewarm response to the Houthi disruptions.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …more likely explanation for Biden’s administration not giving Ukraine what it needs to win quickly is timidity

    They are certainly timid. But the answer why Biden doesn’t give Kiev everything is simpler: it still wouldn’t work. No amount of magical weapons can turn it around – they don’t exist and even Bidenites are not crazy enough to go nuclear.

    Instead they are stretching the defeat over a long period. It benefits MIC, preserves some face, and grinds down Europe – a nice side effect. It spreads money longer to the Kiev compradors – they have sacrificed a lot, they need to be taken care of.

    Where did you get the “8%” land loss? The same place where the Ukies lost only 5k people in the paused offensive? (If you pause long enough, how is that different from just stopping?) The Mercator map projection is imperfect, the latitudes are distorted – but it is visual, not real. Like the bulls..t you do: hiding a disaster with words…

    Is this better for Ukraine than accepting Minsk and neutrality? Or is Nato so important that 100k Ukies should die for it?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    But the answer why Biden doesn’t give Kiev everything is simpler: it still wouldn’t work. No amount of magical weapons can turn it around
     
    According to you, who predicted that Ukraine would fold in a few weeks. Ukrainian and Russian militaries are of comparable size, but Ukraine has far fewer weapons and less ammunition. If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now and many Ukrainian (and perhaps, in the long run, Russian) lives would have been saved.

    Where did you get the “8%” land loss?
     
    That's the amount of land lost since Russia invaded in February 2022. It may be 8.5% or 9% now, with the loss of Avdiivka.

    Why do you lie about that?

    Russia had taken up to 15% of Ukrainian territory after the February invasion but this had been reduced to 8% after Ukraine retook Kherson west of the Dnipro river, and Kharkiv.

    Replies: @Beckow

  712. @AnonfromTN
    Ukie PM Shmyhal just complained that Ukraine lost 20% of its territory, one third of the economy, and 10 million residents. Before that the clown said that Ukraine lost 26% of its territory. AP here claims that Ukraine lost 8% of the territory and its economy is growing. I wonder who is a greater liar: clown, Shmyhal, or AP? Maybe all of the above.

    Replies: @AP

    Ukie PM Shmyhal just complained that Ukraine lost 20% of its territory

    That includes the losses from 2014, when Russia took Crimea and Donbas. Crimea and the urban part of Donbas was around 10% of Ukraine’s territory.

    AP here claims that Ukraine lost 8% of the territory

    Those are the losses since the invasion that began February 2022. Another 8% was lost. Maybe 9% now that Avdiivka has been taken.

    [Shmyhal said Ukraine lost] one third of the economy

    It did, in 2022. Or nearly so – it was a 29% decline.

    [AP claims] its economy is growing

    It grew in 2023.

    https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2023/12/12/tr-121223-press-briefing-2023-article-iv-and-the-second-review-eff-arrangement-for-ukraine

    “Despite the war, Ukraine’s economic indicators are showing strength. Given the stronger than expected recovery, the IMF upgraded Ukraine’s GDP growth to 4.5 percent in 2023, and it is expected to grow next year at 3-4 percent.”

    Moreover the decline and growth are not evenly distributed, areas closer to the war have seen a more devastating decline, of course. The Russian-speakers suffer the most as a result of Russia’s invasion.

    Ukraine’s IT sector, for example, has managed to grow despite the war.

    https://itcluster.lviv.ua/en/lviv/#:~:text=The%20overall%20economic%20impact%20of,representing%20a%20%2B10%25%20growth.

    Lviv is a relatively safe city for opening new offices and representative offices of companies. The overall economic impact of the tech industry in Lviv and the region has continued to grow over the past three years, according to IT Research: from $1,4 billion in 2020 to $1,8 billion in 2021. In 2022, it crossed the $2 billion mark, representing a +10% growth.

    In 2023, despite operating under the conditions of the second year of full-scale invasion, Ukraine’s tech industry generated $6,7 billion in revenues. Thus, computer services constitute 41% of the total volume of service exports in Ukraine.

    I wonder who is a greater liar: clown, Shmyhal, or AP?

    If anyone, it is clearly you. How many metro stations were built in Kiev after 1991? Who shot down MH17?

  713. @A123
    @LT1488


    what alternatives does Kiev/Kyiv/Kjiow/Kjievas have apart from America?
     
    This has always been about the European Empire, primarily Germany and France. If you want to include the UK, feel free. The current White House regime has no agency to act independently. Scholz & Macron commanded their puppet, Not-The-President Biden, to provide funding. That gave them a huge boost until the U.S. mid terms. Now, their servitor cannot deliver anymore.

    There is a critical question that must be asked. -- Does the European Empire need a military victory to win?

    The answer to the question appears to be "No". European elites receive a great deal from helping Ukrainians die senselessly:

    • Over 1/3 of "Ukrainian Refugees" are actually MENA and sub-Saharan Muslims. This fits with the SJW Globalist objective of diluting Judeo-Christians in Europe.
    • It creates rifts between EU skeptic nations such as Hungary and Poland. This strengthens the hand of imperialists like Scholz.

    The real question is -- Will Germany and France will provide an additional €3-5 Billion per month, above and beyond last year's EU level? Both Macron and Scholz have serious problems at home. Such increases seem highly unlikely.

    Some commenters here insist that Kiev violence against Russian ethnics will continue with less funding, or even no international assistance. This is the exact Sheeple obedience to European Empire goals that elites desire. One has to wonder how much of the Ukrainian population shares that mind set. The people of Ukraine have to see that they could not achieve a breakthrough at 100% of support, and things look bleak at 50%.

    It is obvious that the best solution is a negotiated deal that locks in more-or-less the current line. And, it needs to limit Ukrainian armament, including No NATO Ever, so they cannot start Round 2 years down the line. All the pieces are there. Sadly, European Empire puppet Zelensky refuses to negotiate.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LT1488

    Absolutely ridiculous take, its the American Empire who is funding most of this, you got it the other way around.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @LT1488

    Absolutely ridiculous, it is the European Empire. The EU is funding most of this, you got it backwards.

    The graphic below stops at mid-2023. The situation is actually more dramatic.

    The EU passed an additional €50 Billion this year. How much has the U.S. appropriated in 2024?

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://i.postimg.cc/sxVH41XW/UA-help.jpg

  714. @AP
    @Matra


    I don’t know about Russia but in Eastern Europe their versions of Coke/Pepsi don’t taste as sickly sweet as in the US/Canada
     
    So Canada's is the same as America's? I don't drink that stuff at all so I am not in the loop.

    Canada's food standards in general are comparable to Europe's so this is surprising.

    Replies: @songbird

    So Canada’s is the same as America’s?

    70% of Canada’s population lives in an enclave, below the 49th Parallel, created by the heat sink of the Great Lakes. They are closer to the corn than I am. Near such top-producing corn states as Minnesota.

    Only they call it glucose-fructose over there.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    French actually outnumber Anglos in Canada, especially E of Manitoba.
    Explains everything.

  715. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...more likely explanation for Biden’s administration not giving Ukraine what it needs to win quickly is timidity
     
    They are certainly timid. But the answer why Biden doesn't give Kiev everything is simpler: it still wouldn't work. No amount of magical weapons can turn it around - they don't exist and even Bidenites are not crazy enough to go nuclear.

    Instead they are stretching the defeat over a long period. It benefits MIC, preserves some face, and grinds down Europe - a nice side effect. It spreads money longer to the Kiev compradors - they have sacrificed a lot, they need to be taken care of.

    Where did you get the "8%" land loss? The same place where the Ukies lost only 5k people in the paused offensive? (If you pause long enough, how is that different from just stopping?) The Mercator map projection is imperfect, the latitudes are distorted - but it is visual, not real. Like the bulls..t you do: hiding a disaster with words...

    Is this better for Ukraine than accepting Minsk and neutrality? Or is Nato so important that 100k Ukies should die for it?

    Replies: @AP

    But the answer why Biden doesn’t give Kiev everything is simpler: it still wouldn’t work. No amount of magical weapons can turn it around

    According to you, who predicted that Ukraine would fold in a few weeks. Ukrainian and Russian militaries are of comparable size, but Ukraine has far fewer weapons and less ammunition. If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now and many Ukrainian (and perhaps, in the long run, Russian) lives would have been saved.

    Where did you get the “8%” land loss?

    That’s the amount of land lost since Russia invaded in February 2022. It may be 8.5% or 9% now, with the loss of Avdiivka.

    Why do you lie about that?

    Russia had taken up to 15% of Ukrainian territory after the February invasion but this had been reduced to 8% after Ukraine retook Kherson west of the Dnipro river, and Kharkiv.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    Your numbers don't add up - try some basic arithmetic. And Russia occupied Kharkov? When? You mean the countryside to the east?

    Ok, we can all play the game with "that was taken long time ago, it doesn't count!"...or Russia wants top occupy Poland (again?) and dictate gender policy to Brussels (why?), blabla...as we say, you point to the biggest rock, because you don't plan to lift it...


    If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now
     
    If.

    But they don't, the 'superior' doesn't seem to exist and so they are losing the war at a very high cost. How about this: If the Ukies had minimal brains and a sense of self-preservation...there would be a neutral, happy, prosperous Ukieland, trade with all sides, no banned languages - they could even do the Bandera marches and nobody would care.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

  716. @LT1488
    @A123

    Absolutely ridiculous take, its the American Empire who is funding most of this, you got it the other way around.

    Replies: @A123

    Absolutely ridiculous, it is the European Empire. The EU is funding most of this, you got it backwards.

    The graphic below stops at mid-2023. The situation is actually more dramatic.

    The EU passed an additional €50 Billion this year. How much has the U.S. appropriated in 2024?

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Troll: LT1488
  717. There are 17 presentations on the Sol Foundation youtube channel from the November 2024 UFO summit at Stanford. I have watched 8 of them.

    Christopher Mellon–the CIA party line.
    Jacques Vallee–he is not yet as debilitated as zombie Hal Puthoff but he deserves to retire to full leisure and not press himself. It is obvious even in a 20 minute video he is too old for this shit.
    Diana Pasulka–no gaffes. They aren’t paying this bitch enough.
    Hal Puthoff–zombie Hal Puthoff did not speak his bit from a script. He was holding a page of notes. The man definitely could have used a script.
    Iya Lively–the only person who had anything new and useful to say. In particular her spiel about flying an airplane being an unnatural act and pilots with thousands of hours of flying experience have very different mental habits than normal humans was great. If you only watch one of these videos this is the one to watch.
    Gary Nolan–atomic analysis of two shards the size of aspirin tablets; one from the Iowa incident and one from the Brazil incident. I barely made it to the end of this and I am a UFO hobby person.
    Avi Loeb–I stopped watching at the 24 minute mark because it’s even more boring than Nolan.
    Kevin Knuth–OK but I didn’t get anything he hasn’t said before.

    Are the Russians and Chinese UFO researchers ahead? It is very very very unlikely they are behind. There is no evidence I have seen that the military and the contractors have one single thing to disclose; this is after a bunch of my time spent looking for it.

    “Not of this earth and not made by human hands” is up there with pregnant people.

  718. @QCIC
    @AP

    Thanks, I try to keep an open mind!

    Unlike the Ukraine mess, some of these topics involve scientific subtlety and fallibility. Not everyone has the background or time to develop a considered position, so occasionally I mention a technical controversy for which I have formed an opinion. The main concerns with the fluoride topic are simply scientific error and enthusiastic bureaucracy. I have heard anecdotally of a conspiracy aspect which I have never investigated.

    If possible, I read pro and con literature on a topic to reach a tentative conclusion. Maybe you should do the same. I was surprised when my dentist stopped giving topical fluoride treatments many years ago. I was also surprised to learn that fluoridation of water is illegal in some first world countries.

    Replies: @songbird, @Gerard1234

    I was surprised when my dentist stopped giving topical fluoride treatments many years ago.

    I think your theory could have very strong merit to it.

    Alot of Africans (that’s Africans living in Africa ,that are poor or relatively poor) are noted for having good teeth . I think its charcoal that they brush their teeth with. Literally illuminating a dark room if they open their mouth to show teeth .

    Probably no data to support of disprove this idea – such as Africans dying from teeth/gum related problems.

  719. @AP
    @Beckow


    But the answer why Biden doesn’t give Kiev everything is simpler: it still wouldn’t work. No amount of magical weapons can turn it around
     
    According to you, who predicted that Ukraine would fold in a few weeks. Ukrainian and Russian militaries are of comparable size, but Ukraine has far fewer weapons and less ammunition. If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now and many Ukrainian (and perhaps, in the long run, Russian) lives would have been saved.

    Where did you get the “8%” land loss?
     
    That's the amount of land lost since Russia invaded in February 2022. It may be 8.5% or 9% now, with the loss of Avdiivka.

    Why do you lie about that?

    Russia had taken up to 15% of Ukrainian territory after the February invasion but this had been reduced to 8% after Ukraine retook Kherson west of the Dnipro river, and Kharkiv.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Your numbers don’t add up – try some basic arithmetic. And Russia occupied Kharkov? When? You mean the countryside to the east?

    Ok, we can all play the game with “that was taken long time ago, it doesn’t count!“…or Russia wants top occupy Poland (again?) and dictate gender policy to Brussels (why?), blabla…as we say, you point to the biggest rock, because you don’t plan to lift it…

    If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now

    If.

    But they don’t, the ‘superior’ doesn’t seem to exist and so they are losing the war at a very high cost. How about this: If the Ukies had minimal brains and a sense of self-preservation…there would be a neutral, happy, prosperous Ukieland, trade with all sides, no banned languages – they could even do the Bandera marches and nobody would care.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Your numbers don’t add up – try some basic arithmetic.
     
    10% before the Feb 2022 invasion, now an additional 8% or 9%.

    And Russia occupied Kharkov? When? You mean the countryside to the east?
     
    Of course. What did you think I meant? I assume you and most readers understand that Kharkiv City was not in Russian hands.

    Ok, we can all play the game with “that was taken long time ago, it doesn’t count!“
     
    It's not a game. In 2014, Russia seized about 10% of Ukraine. After the February 2022 invasion, it took another 15%, but Ukraine regained some of that, and currently Russia has about 8% or 9% of Ukraine's January 2021 territory.

    If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now

    If.

    But they don’t,
     
    Of course. My point was that if Ukraine had been given more equipment it would have won by now. But the timid Biden administration was unwilling to do so.

    the ‘superior’ doesn’t seem to exist

     

    The war has demonstrated that Russian arms are inferior to Western ones.

    If the Ukies had minimal brains and a sense of self-preservation…there would be a neutral, happy, prosperous Ukieland
     
    Russia wasn't interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia. Loss of Ukraine was a "geopolitical tragedy."

    And neutrality and prosperity were mutually exclusive. After 1991 two countries were neutral: Ukraine and Moldova. The ones who went westward (Poland, Czechia, Romania) got a lot richer. Belarus which integrated with Russia got a little richer. Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Beckow

    Not all land is of equal importance. Therefore, "% of land area" is a mostly irrelevant valuation method. Much more significant are Russia's wins including:

    • Dnieper access for fresh water
    • Land bridge to protect & supply Russian Crimea
    • ZNPP

    Pulling back from much lower value land in the north is an excellent trade for these strategic victories.

    PEACE 😇

  720. @Beckow
    @AP

    Your numbers don't add up - try some basic arithmetic. And Russia occupied Kharkov? When? You mean the countryside to the east?

    Ok, we can all play the game with "that was taken long time ago, it doesn't count!"...or Russia wants top occupy Poland (again?) and dictate gender policy to Brussels (why?), blabla...as we say, you point to the biggest rock, because you don't plan to lift it...


    If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now
     
    If.

    But they don't, the 'superior' doesn't seem to exist and so they are losing the war at a very high cost. How about this: If the Ukies had minimal brains and a sense of self-preservation...there would be a neutral, happy, prosperous Ukieland, trade with all sides, no banned languages - they could even do the Bandera marches and nobody would care.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    Your numbers don’t add up – try some basic arithmetic.

    10% before the Feb 2022 invasion, now an additional 8% or 9%.

    And Russia occupied Kharkov? When? You mean the countryside to the east?

    Of course. What did you think I meant? I assume you and most readers understand that Kharkiv City was not in Russian hands.

    Ok, we can all play the game with “that was taken long time ago, it doesn’t count!“

    It’s not a game. In 2014, Russia seized about 10% of Ukraine. After the February 2022 invasion, it took another 15%, but Ukraine regained some of that, and currently Russia has about 8% or 9% of Ukraine’s January 2021 territory.

    If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now

    If.

    But they don’t,

    Of course. My point was that if Ukraine had been given more equipment it would have won by now. But the timid Biden administration was unwilling to do so.

    the ‘superior’ doesn’t seem to exist

    The war has demonstrated that Russian arms are inferior to Western ones.

    If the Ukies had minimal brains and a sense of self-preservation…there would be a neutral, happy, prosperous Ukieland

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia. Loss of Ukraine was a “geopolitical tragedy.”

    And neutrality and prosperity were mutually exclusive. After 1991 two countries were neutral: Ukraine and Moldova. The ones who went westward (Poland, Czechia, Romania) got a lot richer. Belarus which integrated with Russia got a little richer. Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.
     
    Nonsense, Austria is neutral. So were - at least on paper - Finland and Sweden until recently. It works.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.
     
    Some did, but the dominant majority didn't, incl. Putin until the last few years. They wanted a neutral Ukraine, normal human rights for Russians there. And less crazyness with the Nazi-Bandera stuff (it is in very bad taste) - but that would never lead to a war.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies' embrace of it. If you take the Nato issue out, all other disagreements would be solved with a compromise. Kiev screwed up and they are paying a horrible price.

    Whether 18% or 23%,and where will it stop is less important than the reality that Kiev-Nato started a war they can't win or walk away from...That is the definition of a strategic error.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

  721. @Beckow
    @AP

    Your numbers don't add up - try some basic arithmetic. And Russia occupied Kharkov? When? You mean the countryside to the east?

    Ok, we can all play the game with "that was taken long time ago, it doesn't count!"...or Russia wants top occupy Poland (again?) and dictate gender policy to Brussels (why?), blabla...as we say, you point to the biggest rock, because you don't plan to lift it...


    If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now
     
    If.

    But they don't, the 'superior' doesn't seem to exist and so they are losing the war at a very high cost. How about this: If the Ukies had minimal brains and a sense of self-preservation...there would be a neutral, happy, prosperous Ukieland, trade with all sides, no banned languages - they could even do the Bandera marches and nobody would care.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    Not all land is of equal importance. Therefore, “% of land area” is a mostly irrelevant valuation method. Much more significant are Russia’s wins including:

    • Dnieper access for fresh water
    • Land bridge to protect & supply Russian Crimea
    • ZNPP

    Pulling back from much lower value land in the north is an excellent trade for these strategic victories.

    PEACE 😇

  722. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Mayor of Lvov Sadovoi ( name , I think, could be both Russian or Ukrop, but definitely not typical Galician so he too could easily be from Soviet “colonists”)
     
    He was born in Lviv. His father was an engineer at the bus factory which suggests the possibility of his father being a colonist (two of my relatives in Lviv were engineers and natives of Lviv [born in the city before the war], but they stated that most of their colleagues were newcomers or their children), but Sadovy is a Greek Catholic so his mother was likely a native even if (we are not sure) his father was not.

    Governor of Volyn , Yuri Pogulyaiko – someone I am actually about “one degree of separation ” from, though we have never met. This POS totally Russian-world individual, from Lugansk.
     
    So you are somehow related to Sovok colonists in Ukraine. Everything becomes very clear now. It explains both your vulgarity (when the Soviet colonists first arrived in Galicia, both the native Ukrainians and the native Poles looked upon them as filthy apes) and your bitterness about Ukraine's independence and existence. Most of the colonists eventually became fairly civilized as they mixed with the superior natives.

    In Ukraine, governors are appointed by the president and are often not native.

    Majority there speaking Russian – they don’t give a f**k how insecure you are about it. Just above 50/50 for Lvov.
     
    Thanks for repeating this idiocy.

    As I said:

    So either you lie about having been to these places, lie about what you saw or heard in these places, or are an idiot who doesn’t know what is going on in the places you’ve been.

    Anecdotally on the public transport itself it feels even more than that to me. Someone else may do identical walk like I did and say it was 40/60 minority Russian. 30/70. 20/80 – that’s all OK ……but the fact would still be clear that significant numbers are speaking it there
     
    There's a difference between 50/50 and 20/80, though a Sovok civil "engineer" might not understand that there is.

    Yes, if you find yourself in a crowd of visitors from Kiev or Kharkiv, or among Donbas refugees, you will hear more Russian. Same thing if you are in a crowd of Russian tourists in Vienna or Baden (I heard a lot of Russian in that city for some reason, when I visited). But to conclude from this that the city is majority Russian-speaking is nonsense. About 15% of Lviv's 700,000+ people are Russian-speaking. In Soviet times it had been about double that amount.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    when the Soviet colonists first arrived in Galicia,

    Wow, the bimbo idiocy from this fantasist continues! I suppose you as a dumbfuck, who has NEVER visited these places, has no actual connection to them, because of that not helping any ukrops desperate to come to US ( even though US government pays these clowns for that) – you can shamefully continue in a way that even the Baltards on here would not . 1 milllion, 2 million , 5 million dead ukrops is an irrelevance to a fantasist scumtroll as yourself, economy permanantly crippled…….it’s irrelevant for a sociopathic freakshow. I will save energy and just repost what I wrote:

    1. Lvov founded by a Russian

    2. Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland

    3. Romanians native to Bukovina for many centuries also, deported to Romania

    4. Millions of Jews native to both these areas of western Ukraine,well, I don’t need to explain what occurred here……

    5. Izmail region transferred by Stalin from Moldovan ASR into Ukrainian SSR. Khrushchev then eliminated this oblast and transferred it into same region as Odessa. Both administrative moves greatly aiding agriculture and Industry of Ukrainian SSR. Each time attracting Ukrainian “colonists” to move there.

    6. Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists?

    7. At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too?

    8. Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists? especially as it was infinitely more in this direction than the reverse direction

    9. Lvov the city- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries- something like the caste system in India, LMAO. Blatant colonists? Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?!!!

    Galicia, because of khokholisation is the most artificially, ethnically-constructed place on the planet you idiot.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Lvov founded by a Russian
     
    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    Lviv's founder King Daniel was the son of a Byzantine Princess and a Volhynian prince (Roman). Roman's father was a Volhynian prince and his other was Polish.

    Daniel of Galicia accepted a crown from the Pope.

    He was also the last legitimate (pre-Mongol) ruler of Kiev.

    The Russian historian Vernadsky contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia.

    Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland
     
    Sovok civil "engineer" bad at math again.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn't over 2 million by 1939

    And Stalin deported 100,000s of those Poles in Eastern Galicia to Russia or Central Asia in 1939-1941, so there were far fewer left when most of the remaining ones were deported to Poland.

    Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists
     
    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region. They moved to another part of the same region they were native to. They were no more colonists than Finns moving west from Vyborg to Fin-controlled territories were colonists.

    At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too
     
    They certainly were not native to those regions, they were outsiders. I'm not sure that they could be characterized as colonists. Were they sent there to cement Soviet authority in those lands and/or help administer the Soviet administration?

    Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists?
     
    If they moved to Estonia as part of Soviet efforts in order to strengthen and promote Soviet rule there they would be colonists. Otherwise, no.

    Lvov the city- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries
     
    They were consistently about 15%-20% of the population. They owned a palace on the central square:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/10_Market_Square%2C_Lviv_%2810%29.jpg/731px-10_Market_Square%2C_Lviv_%2810%29.jpg?20150908210249

    and their mother Church was a large beautiful building on a hilltop in the city.

    https://find-way.com.ua/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_DJI_0594.jpg

    My family had nice lives in Lviv since arriving in the late 19th century/early 20th century.

    Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?
     
    Someone moving from a village to the regional capital is not a colonist. You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    Galicia, because of khokholisation is the most artificially, ethnically-constructed place on the planet
     
    Galicia and Volhynia are less rootless than any other East Slavic lands, due to having been spared the horrors of Bolshevism and its radical social experiments and cultural destruction from 1918-1945 (1939-1941 were still somewhat lackluster). But unlike Volhynia, Galicia achieved a higher level of development under the benevolent Hapsburgs, with full literacy of students in their own language, mass political participation, etc. Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs, they highlight your own inferiority. Thus your bitterness. Cry more.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

  723. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat.
     
    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?

    There is a genuine limitation to using M1's forward. Their turbines run on jet fuel. An entirely new logistics chain would be required to keep the engines running. In the early days, they will need to spend a great deal of time near airfields. That will allow them to share support vehicles with the planes.

    How much excess jet fuel is available in Ukraine? In addition to Abrams they also want F-16's.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    The long-standing claim was the M1 tank can operate fine on diesel or jet fuel, which are similar.

    The most obvious strength of the M1 tank is the forward armor on the turret. Anecdotally, this area has not been a big factor in the tank losses in Ukraine. I think the top armor of the M1 is as weak as most tanks. Supposedly the expensive Israeli active protection system (called Trophy) applied to some recent M1 tanks reduces vulnerability to top attack.

  724. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Have read some of the forbidden Tintin volumes and seen the recent film. Surprised it was not woke. Did not realize that there were older films, but the author seems to have disliked them. Of course, he died long before the newest film, so we don't know whether it would have gotten his stamp of approval.

    It may be that Thorfinnson is waiting for some precipitating factor, before he makes his reappearance. For example, some other character like Reinor_tor or mal or Bliss to return beforehand.

    Replies: @songbird

    KK was a production partner for the film.

    Spielberg got Steven Moffat to write it. Moffat was involved in creating a recent iteration of Doctor Who.

    [MORE]

    As reported by Doctor Who TV, Moffat says that casting a black actress as the Doctor’s new companion was “an absolute decision, because we need to do better on that.”…

    “Sometimes the nature of a particular show – historical dramas, for instance – makes diversity more of a challenge,” he says. “But Doctor Who has absolutely nowhere to hide on this. Young people watching have to know that they’ve a place in the future. That really matters.”….

    Moffat said, “I had this baffling idea that if we just threw open each part to everybody, it would all work out in the end. I put my faith, inexplicably, in the free market. It doesn’t work. You can only cast for talent – you’ve got to cast the best person, every single time – but you’ve got to gauge where you’re looking for the talent.”….

    “[W]e’ve kind of got to tell a lie: we’ll go back into history and there will be black people where, historically, there wouldn’t have been, and we won’t dwell on that. We’ll say, ‘To hell with it, this is the imaginary, better version of the world. By believing in it, we’ll summon it forth.’”….

    And in case you were wondering, they apparently already have tried to cast a black Doctor. Says Moffat, “Absolutely it would [be refreshing if the next Doctor wasn’t white]. Two non-white leads in Doctor Who would be amazing.

    https://www.themarysue.com/steven-moffat-on-doctor-who-diversity/

  725. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat.
     
    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?

    There is a genuine limitation to using M1's forward. Their turbines run on jet fuel. An entirely new logistics chain would be required to keep the engines running. In the early days, they will need to spend a great deal of time near airfields. That will allow them to share support vehicles with the planes.

    How much excess jet fuel is available in Ukraine? In addition to Abrams they also want F-16's.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?

    The US sent several Abrams tanks to Ukraine months ago:
    https://www.voanews.com/a/all-31-abrams-tanks-in-ukraine-us-military-confirms-to-voa/7313918.html

    Abrams tanks were never seen at the front lines. That’s not a rumor, that’s a fact.

    Why? I presented my hypothesis. You’re welcome to come up with alternative explanations.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN




    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat.
     
    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?
     
    The US sent several Abrams tanks to Ukraine months ago:
    https://www.voanews.com/a/all-31-abrams-tanks-in-ukraine-us-military-confirms-to-voa/7313918.html

    Abrams tanks were never seen at the front lines. That’s not a rumor, that’s a fact.

    Why? I presented my hypothesis. You’re welcome to come up with alternative explanations.
     
    More plausible options include:

    -1- Crews are still being trained
    -2- Some of the tanks arrived broken and are being repaired
    -3- Insufficient spares are available
    -4- The tanks are sticking close to JP8 fuel supplies
    -5- Ukie military leadership is reserving them for the next "major offensive"

    The largest factor is probably #1. It takes 6+ months to prepare for solo operation, so the first available date may still be in the future. If not, it only recently came to pass.

    Rushing inexperienced crews forward is a good way to lose the asset. Their initial field service will likely be reserve & defense. Probably another 6 months as they continue to "work up" essential squadron and company coordination skills. This concept stacks nicely with #4 as defending airfields is vital.

    Limits on how systems can be used make sense for long range missiles that could cause escalation. Trying to restrict how tanks are used seems a bit far fetched. Though admittedly not impossible. If it came from a source with a strong track record, I would be more willing to accept the idea.

    PEACE 😇
  726. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I said months ago that they will probably give up Avidiika. That's in my history so no need to speculate on my future comments.

    It's too far from the current supply lines.

    Avidiika was majority Ukranian but will now just be a desolate wasteland. That must be the liberation that the dwarf defenders speak of.

    Those of you that think Russia doesn't have massive tank losses in Avidiika can go ahead and explain why the Ukrainians came across this tank from 1956:

    https://youtu.be/dTcECJml1vI?t=137

    Note the welded cope cage but it has identifications from the 1956 uprising.

    A Bradley can chew through a tank that old like a pop can.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    I said months ago that they will probably give up Avidiika.

    Everywhere Russia wants, 404 will “probably give up” you retarded POS. How they gave up, the enormous loss (2500 casualties on last day when already withdrawing) that is what is relevant…..as is that west Donetsk now safe from artillery fire at least, water filtration station comes under our control, key logistics point. Our defence of DNR became much stronger – Ukronazis defence of their occupied Donetsk much less secure…..all that is what is relevant.

    It’s too far from the current supply lines.

    LMAO – cause and effect not of interest to this dipshit.
    “Forcing” Russian AF to use up aviation fuel…….is that the new BS excuse for total lack of air Defence for 3 weeks and more?

    Russia…..organised, safe withdrawal from Kupiansk, Kherson, Kiev, around Sumy, around Chernigov, Chernobyl ( after completing key strategic objective)…..and Gostomel where , LMAO, ukronazis against not more than 100 VDV could not reseize in 1 month. Gostomel also, possibly key strategic objective completed there.

    In process of safe-withdrawal from Kupiansk and right-bank Kherson and Krasniy Liman …..attract in 1000’s, 10’s of 1000’s of ukronazis slaughtered in the “re-taking” operations, men deployed there to secure the withdrawal get out our men out

    Now for the Ukronazis freakshow, LOL.

    Total chaos, withdrawal a huge disaster – even though it started both before official withdrawal from Avdeevka annonuncement anyway. Deployment of 3rd Assault Brigade (from Kramatorsk) …..just about one of the most inefficient, disastrous decisions in modern military history. Literally did nothing, at enormous cost. Extreme level of mass deaths of ukrops in those last 3 days, so easily avoidable.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @Gerard1234

    Ukies and western retards are so funny regarding Gostomel . Only 17 wounded during whole operation

  727. @Coconuts
    @LatW

    I think there is a sort-of-hidden connection between the Suffragette line and Sir Oswald.

    Suffragettes were the radical wing of the women's suffrage movement who accepted the need for violent direct action and later a number of the leading members joined the BUF and ran its female section Apart from votes for women they seem to have had some other interests relating to the health of the race and things like that.

    Now I am wondering if any of them were readers of Georges Sorel's famous book 'Reflections on Violence', T.E. Hulme translated it into English around 1913, he was an interesting guy as well.

    Have you come across Mosley's wife, Diana?:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Mosley

    Replies: @LatW

    Suffragettes were the radical wing of the women’s suffrage movement who accepted the need for violent direct action

    It seems like many of these newly born movements / ideologies at the time had a paramilitary component and a “direct action” wing. It might be because at that initial stage the movement has more vitality (but also more obstacles to be overcome as it grows into the world right after the birthing and tries to gain its place under the sun).

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    Apart from votes for women they seem to have had some other interests relating to the health of the race and things like that.

    Afaik, the original suffragette movement had something to do with limiting the use of alcohol – so this may have been something to do with women wanting their husbands to drink less or, more likely, to limit the negative effects of male alcoholism on women. So the original cause was noble. 🙂

    Have you come across Mosley’s wife, Diana?

    Yes, I had noticed her before (lucky girl!), but I didn’t know she was a writer, I can understand their connection though.

    Btw, I’ve been really enjoying Drieu. Beautiful language and great themes, he really idealizes the “old masculine virtues” and there is a great temptation to go with that flow, however, one must acknowledge that it is too idealized. Uncannily, some of these themes have been on my mind a lot lately, whilst thinking about the war.

    The central idea of the body being separated from the spirit and soul via civilization, in an almost unnatural way, is also very interesting. It’s an eternal theme and I like how he places it in an anthropological setting involving the Middle Ages and modern European history. I’ve thought of this as well with regards to paganism, there may have been several of these “separations” throughout European history (he mentions this having happened already with Plato), with the last one culminating in the urbanization of the 19th-20th century (which he is the most critical of). But we see today with the ongoing “gender” politics that the overcoming of the “body” is still very much in the center of things.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW


    I’ve been really enjoying Drieu. Beautiful language and great themes, he really idealizes the “old masculine virtues” and there is a great temptation to go with that flow, however, one must acknowledge that it is too idealized. Uncannily, some of these themes have been on my mind a lot lately, whilst thinking about the war.
     

    I am pleased, strangely I was re-reading it yesterday myself, getting it ready to upload it to Amazon's print on demand service. The guy at Imperium Press seemed to be interested when I first discussed it with him, but when I sent the completed version he was much vaguer. I thought in the meantime I would try this Amazon route, if it takes Imperium many months to decide.

    I would say Drieu's writing has this effect because it's also become a topic I have been thinking about myself lately; you find it as a theme through a lot of his work, in the novels and the political writings, where he considers it from different angles. He has the idea of war and its spiritual and personal significance, and war and its relationship to love and relations between men and women.

    It's also a challenging topic, I think Drieu didn't reach any easy conclusions, except maybe as WW2 developed he became more interested in thinking about spiritual transcendence, and in his last writing this becomes a bigger theme.

    I remember when I first started spending time in Belarus years ago, I was surprised by seeing certain things, like soldiers carrying weapons mixed with ordinary people on the train, or young cadets marching in uniform. Even though it was a kind of authoritarian regime, there was some feeling of freedom that I didn't experience in Britain (and I suddenly understood why having children would be good, another weird thing). At the same time I remember thinking that there might be more risk of a war in the region at some point (this was around 2012-13), assuming Russia and Ukraine had similar cultures.

    Recently I was in Amsterdam and visited the Rijksmuseum, last time I visited I was around 17. It is nicely refurbished, but you start the visit in the medieval period and with an exhibition of weapons and ascend through the ages to Van Gogh's era, I think I was partly seeing things through the influence of Drieu, which was sort of moving. Drieu had this thing about Van Gogh, as one of the heralds of the rebirth of the youthful spirit of the Middle Ages, the last novel he was working on before he died in 1945 was based on Van Gogh's life.

    The thing about the body and spirit is another interesting topic. I remember becoming interested in Orthodox theology and Aristotle at the same time as I started lifting weights (this would be in the 2000s). I suspect because they are both more embodied, there isn't the nature vs. grace opposition that you can find in Western Christianity, which also might be somehow linked to the abstract spirit that is in Kantian ethics.

    Replies: @LatW

  728. @AP
    @Beckow


    Your numbers don’t add up – try some basic arithmetic.
     
    10% before the Feb 2022 invasion, now an additional 8% or 9%.

    And Russia occupied Kharkov? When? You mean the countryside to the east?
     
    Of course. What did you think I meant? I assume you and most readers understand that Kharkiv City was not in Russian hands.

    Ok, we can all play the game with “that was taken long time ago, it doesn’t count!“
     
    It's not a game. In 2014, Russia seized about 10% of Ukraine. After the February 2022 invasion, it took another 15%, but Ukraine regained some of that, and currently Russia has about 8% or 9% of Ukraine's January 2021 territory.

    If Ukraine had more weapons ands ammo (as much as Russia has) of superior Western make, it would have won this war by now

    If.

    But they don’t,
     
    Of course. My point was that if Ukraine had been given more equipment it would have won by now. But the timid Biden administration was unwilling to do so.

    the ‘superior’ doesn’t seem to exist

     

    The war has demonstrated that Russian arms are inferior to Western ones.

    If the Ukies had minimal brains and a sense of self-preservation…there would be a neutral, happy, prosperous Ukieland
     
    Russia wasn't interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia. Loss of Ukraine was a "geopolitical tragedy."

    And neutrality and prosperity were mutually exclusive. After 1991 two countries were neutral: Ukraine and Moldova. The ones who went westward (Poland, Czechia, Romania) got a lot richer. Belarus which integrated with Russia got a little richer. Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    Nonsense, Austria is neutral. So were – at least on paper – Finland and Sweden until recently. It works.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.

    Some did, but the dominant majority didn’t, incl. Putin until the last few years. They wanted a neutral Ukraine, normal human rights for Russians there. And less crazyness with the Nazi-Bandera stuff (it is in very bad taste) – but that would never lead to a war.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies’ embrace of it. If you take the Nato issue out, all other disagreements would be solved with a compromise. Kiev screwed up and they are paying a horrible price.

    Whether 18% or 23%,and where will it stop is less important than the reality that Kiev-Nato started a war they can’t win or walk away from…That is the definition of a strategic error.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    …Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    Nonsense, Austria is neutral.
     
    Austria was fully integrated economically with the West, not with the East, it neutral only militarily.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.

    Some did, but the dominant majority didn’t, incl. Putin until the last few years.

     

    Putin described the breakup of the USSR as a geopolitical catastrophe. By that, he didn't mean the end of the Communist economic system. It was the loss of Ukraine for Moscow. Neutrality for Ukraine would at best be tolerated as a stepping stone to later integration, as in the case of Belarus.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies’ embrace of it
     
    So you lie. Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn't take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people. Oops.

    NATO was only important because membership in NATO would make union much more difficult if not impossible. But it was secondary to the primary cause - the goal of annexing Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Nonsense, Austria is neutral. So were – at least on paper – Finland and Sweden until recently. It works.
     
    It works only under certain preconditions: when the country is geographically located relatively far from its adversaries or hostile states or is surrounded by friendly states (Austria in the modern era) or when the country has a strong military (Finland has always had a general conscription, a huge reserve, its own domestic military industry - if Ukraine had become that way starting in the 1990s, their military plus reserves would have numbered in millions of highly trained people and they would still have their missiles and fighter jets, not to mention Sweden's highly competitive homegrown military industry - these countries were never "naked" the way that the post-USSR states idiotically and naively allowed themselves to become after 1991). Also, the neutral state must not be permeated with the assets from a hostile state (the way that Ukraine was after 1991).

    Replies: @LatW

  729. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    when the Soviet colonists first arrived in Galicia,
     
    Wow, the bimbo idiocy from this fantasist continues! I suppose you as a dumbfuck, who has NEVER visited these places, has no actual connection to them, because of that not helping any ukrops desperate to come to US ( even though US government pays these clowns for that) - you can shamefully continue in a way that even the Baltards on here would not . 1 milllion, 2 million , 5 million dead ukrops is an irrelevance to a fantasist scumtroll as yourself, economy permanantly crippled.......it's irrelevant for a sociopathic freakshow. I will save energy and just repost what I wrote:

    1. Lvov founded by a Russian

    2. Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland

    3. Romanians native to Bukovina for many centuries also, deported to Romania

    4. Millions of Jews native to both these areas of western Ukraine,well, I don’t need to explain what occurred here……

    5. Izmail region transferred by Stalin from Moldovan ASR into Ukrainian SSR. Khrushchev then eliminated this oblast and transferred it into same region as Odessa. Both administrative moves greatly aiding agriculture and Industry of Ukrainian SSR. Each time attracting Ukrainian “colonists” to move there.

    6. Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists?

    7. At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too?

    8. Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists? especially as it was infinitely more in this direction than the reverse direction

    9. Lvov the city- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries- something like the caste system in India, LMAO. Blatant colonists? Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?!!!

    Galicia, because of khokholisation is the most artificially, ethnically-constructed place on the planet you idiot.

    Replies: @AP

    Lvov founded by a Russian

    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    Lviv’s founder King Daniel was the son of a Byzantine Princess and a Volhynian prince (Roman). Roman’s father was a Volhynian prince and his other was Polish.

    Daniel of Galicia accepted a crown from the Pope.

    He was also the last legitimate (pre-Mongol) ruler of Kiev.

    The Russian historian Vernadsky contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia.

    Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland

    Sovok civil “engineer” bad at math again.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn’t over 2 million by 1939

    And Stalin deported 100,000s of those Poles in Eastern Galicia to Russia or Central Asia in 1939-1941, so there were far fewer left when most of the remaining ones were deported to Poland.

    Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists

    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region. They moved to another part of the same region they were native to. They were no more colonists than Finns moving west from Vyborg to Fin-controlled territories were colonists.

    At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too

    They certainly were not native to those regions, they were outsiders. I’m not sure that they could be characterized as colonists. Were they sent there to cement Soviet authority in those lands and/or help administer the Soviet administration?

    Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists?

    If they moved to Estonia as part of Soviet efforts in order to strengthen and promote Soviet rule there they would be colonists. Otherwise, no.

    Lvov the city- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries

    They were consistently about 15%-20% of the population. They owned a palace on the central square:

    and their mother Church was a large beautiful building on a hilltop in the city.

    My family had nice lives in Lviv since arriving in the late 19th century/early 20th century.

    Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?

    Someone moving from a village to the regional capital is not a colonist. You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    Galicia, because of khokholisation is the most artificially, ethnically-constructed place on the planet

    Galicia and Volhynia are less rootless than any other East Slavic lands, due to having been spared the horrors of Bolshevism and its radical social experiments and cultural destruction from 1918-1945 (1939-1941 were still somewhat lackluster). But unlike Volhynia, Galicia achieved a higher level of development under the benevolent Hapsburgs, with full literacy of students in their own language, mass political participation, etc. Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs, they highlight your own inferiority. Thus your bitterness. Cry more.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Thanks, very interesting!

    I've got an almost-100-page book about Galicia (Austrian Poland) from the WWI era for you:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.39000004105909&seq=5

    It was apparently made by the British Foreign Office in preparation for the Paris Peace Conference in 1919.

    Such books from the very same time also exist for an extremely massive amount of other regions. You can see the other books here:

    https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Great%20Britain%2E%20Foreign%20Office%2E%20Historical%20Section

    The other books were also made by the British Foreign Office.

    Really, the World War I era was a golden age for Western research about Europe and the Middle East. Back then, Western researchers and academics were eager to consolidate their knowledge about various territories in Europe and the Middle East and share their research with Western policymakers so that Western policymakers could craft as optimal of a post-WWI peace settlement as possible.

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    They owned a palace on the central square:
     
    LMFAO, Lubomirsky a "Palace" - it just shows what a stereotypical dumb American you are to write unironically about this as "palace" to give impression of grandeur !! Lubomirsky "Palace" ? It's as much a palace as Mr Hack's garage
    There are bars I have been in that that are bigger and have better grandeur levels. Zero Europeans would consider classifying that building as a palace you idiot. I have been there ( different to you of course), nice building.....completely forgettable.
    If you to actually fulfil your fantasy of going to Europe one day - the Tsygan/Roma types will be salivating at potential scamming scum as yourself if you ever ask for assistance, or if they drive you in taxi if you are thinking that's a european palace.

    and their mother Church was a large beautiful building on a hilltop in the city.
     
    You realise you stupid fantasist prick that with this good church, the "palace" and an embarrassingly small number of other things......just how much more of a loser this shows yourself as ? Even Riga in Nazi Latvia has exponentially larger Russian heritage in old city than Banderites have in Lvov, Ternopol etc.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.
     
    Rus and Russia are the same thing you dumb retard. He was a Russian. What he 100% was not though, was a "Ukrainian"
    What is hilarious is that Ukroreikh "historians" have been trying to change all the people known in Russia and all through the west for centuries ( even an entire millenium) to be described as "of Russia", or "of Rus'".....into "of Kiev",
    Anna of Russia - now retardedly tried to change to "Anna of Kiev" with many others also as that . Proves they too also think of the Rus term being same thing as Russia and are very insecure about it.

    contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia
     
    Russia.....established diplomatic and economic relations with Britain in 1500s - a long time BEFORE Poland did you moron. Russia was forming business, scientific, military etc relations with the Protestant-nation powers ( the true "west") in Europe.......as these Protestant nations were moving from the Catholic ones.


    Russia was always doing the best of both aspects - self-developing and looking at best practises of the west. Different to Polish sh*thole which was non-European by comparison. Russia attracting many French Huguenots, British engineers, German scientists, Italian artists etc . Peter the Great with his Dutch influence and travels - a million other examples of this.

    The words "Polish" and "Navy" have been an oxymoron for a millennium......which indicates everything. And I think the French King REJECTED becoming King of Poland - appropriate for a reject state like Poland.
    Clearly, since Protestantism formed, these countries that adopted it became much powerful, more disciplined richer, more prosperous compared, overall, to Catholic ones in Europe.
    As Russia was developing our state and great culture, great Orthodox culture - "Ukraine" was developing zero - khokholism attached to the Polish loser idiot state , a Poland rejected by the French King, Poland aligning itself with the Catholic countries just as catholicism political power declining, Poland giving and producing nothing to the world, soon to be cuckholded by THREE different Empires

    Anyway during this 1200s-1400s period, from what I know, was the genesis of when both Russia and not-separated still from Rome - western people were becoming more negative with the Pope & Roman-church affliated elites, their dictatorship, mass corruption, perceived lack of morality and general culture. In addition in western Europe intellectuals/clergy started forming their own theological arguments and interpretations of Bible/church services leading to Protestantism forming. In summary - not looking to the Holy Roman Empire in those situations is not at all the same as "not looking west".

    Then I mentioned Anna of Rus you idiot - married French King. Several Russian royalty marrying with other European families

    Zero western monarchs ever heard of any "Ukraine" or "cossack getmanate state" BS. Britain had 3 kings in a year in 11th century that William the Conquerer ( French) won the wars - supposed to be key event in anglo history. The 2 other kings he defeated had either Russian wives, had lived in Russia or son/daughter married to Russian royalty.

    You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?
     
    As industrial revolution developed, the population of cities rapidly increased with inflow of villagers. With this the Czech population in Prague and their other cities increased. An entirely natural process.
    Galician inbreds as the Industrial revolution progressed.......remained non-entities in these cities. Effectively banned, deprived of Iodine. Its a braindead comparison to make of the Czech situation with the Ukronazi one. Russian Empire in Riga and Talinn - Russians were 3rd placed nationality in those cities.......but STILL at higher percentage than Ukronazi-caste in Galician cities.

    Czechs didn't ask the Germans to deport all non-Czechs, or mass murder another ethnicity that was big proportion of the city.........as the Banderatards did with Jews. Galicia is the most artificially ethnically engineered freakshow on the planet. It has zero similarity to Prague, Bratislava , Budapest

    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region.
     
    500000 of them were not from Galicia.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn’t over 2 million by 1939
     
    But you were just looking at the census data from 1934 the other day you dumbf**k misdirecting sociopath. Easily over 2 million in Lvov, Ternopol and the old name for Ivano-Frankovsk.
    One "peremoga" for excrement as yourself - it was not millions but the still demographically significant 800000 Poles deported from there. Amazing how Poles deportation numbers are less if you mass murder their pensioners, women and children and conspire with those Nazi's mass murdering Poles on battlefield and in camps ( and even as they are nearly murdering to extinction "Ukrainians" who Galiciantards supposed to consider as their own)

    The last paragraph has too many idiotic claims at the same time to bother replying to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  730. I am calling the top of the tech bubble, Druckenmiller rotates in to gold miners.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @LondonBob

    Thanks - he's holding on to Nvidia though. AI is still very much a thing.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LondonBob

    When the Federal Reserve stops feeding it and not one month before. The only thing slowing down is jobs for programmers. If you are a programmer that is a totally different thing from the markets.

    Hey look at this

    $52,069.58

    https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

  731. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I’m perfectly aware of this, as I’ve been to several places in the High North. That was not what I said. I simply asked “Why do you mix politicals with violent criminals?”.

    Maybe because your system is insecure?

    None of what he was charged with demands that he’d be sent there (or driven into death). Cruel and unusual punishment, to put it mildly. And I’m not even his fan.
     
    Was Russia better-behaved in regards to this back under Yeltsin?

    But Yeah, Russia has a very serious problem with political repression. It also has a giant prison-industrial complex for an overwhelmingly white country. (The US does as well, but the US has many more non-whites, so it's not comparable.)

    BTW, here is an interesting 1926 book that you might enjoy:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=xUdLAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=pan-europe+kalergi&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_l_T9-7iEAxVcIEQIHW33DXgQ6AF6BAgEEAI#v=onepage&q=pan-europe%20kalergi&f=false

    It's by an Austro-Hungarian nobleman of mixed European and Japanese descent (his mother was Japanese) and who is arguing in favor of the creation of a European Federation--in order words, a European Union, but even more tightly integrated. This book is certainly ahead of its time. He argues that Europe has nothing to gain from another war, that seeking European border revision through violent means is futile, and that Russia will be imperialist regardless of its form of government, which is why the rest of Europe should unite against Russia in defense of their common European homeland. Again, a very interesting and insightful book.

    Replies: @LT1488, @LatW

    He argues that Europe has nothing to gain from another war, that seeking European border revision through violent means is futile, and that Russia will be imperialist regardless of its form of government, which is why the rest of Europe should unite against Russia in defense of their common European homeland. Again, a very interesting and insightful book.

    These are good arguments (and, of course, he was right about Russia not being able to transform). There have been various such predictions about Europe’s future (some even incorporating Russia in some form).

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    But this is the so called Kalergi plan – I haven’t delved into it much, but our nationalists despise it. Our nationalists write things about it along these lines (the guy who wrote it was very young at the time so it is very naive, but it’s along the lines of anti-federalism which is common for ethnonats, although it does sound a bit dated and should be reviewed with a fresh lens of 2024):

    “1. Two European Unions

    The European Union was founded as a union of Christian European nations under a common civilizational identity.

    The fathers of the European Union, Konrad Adenauer and Robert Schuman, knew that Europe could not be united by power and imperialism, as various European powers had tried for centuries, but only by respecting national differences and the interests of each country, and by linking these interests in a mutually beneficial mechanism. Europe will be created by “concrete achievements which (..) will create true solidarity”[1] – this is what French Foreign Minister Robert Schuman said at the time of the establishment of the European Coal and Steel Union. “Political unity does not mean absorbing the people. Political integration does not mean giving up national sovereignty. The bond that unites Europe will not lead to the denial of the fatherland.” [2] Can it be expressed more clearly? The European Union was intended as a format for mutual cooperation between European nations! This political realism was intertwined with the understanding of the nature of democracy, that is, “either democracy will be Christian or it will not exist. Antichristian democracy is a caricature that will descend either into tyranny or anarchy.”

    But at the same time, there was also the other direction – the same old imperialism, only in a new form. It is Richard von Coudenhove Kalergi’s Pan-Europe, which would mean the mixing of peoples and the elimination of national differences in the name of utopia. This was the basis for the European federalist movement, which wants to transform the European Union (and to some extent has transformed it) into a centralized and bureaucratized monster that controls each individual country with its dictates. Italian communist Altiero Spinelli was the official founder of the European Federalist movement, a key figure in transforming Adenauer and Schuman’s Europe into what the European Union is today. The main building of the European Parliament in Brussels is also named after him. These European federalists of communist origin are not talking about the essence of Europe, or its identity as a civilization and the preservation of that identity, but about functions. For example, about the same “democracy”, which, as we see, is detached from its Christian context, in the execution of the European Commission, it really turns into tyranny and anarchy at the same time. The “solidarity” demanded by this commission is divorced from the real values ​​and shared achievements that could encourage European nations to give up some of their independence for the common cause. Therefore, it is not solidarity, but a dictate that is justified by the ideological slogans of leftist multiculturalism. This ideology fulfills the task of a pseudo-religion for this new pseudo-elite, which tries to acquire a monopoly on Europeanness, while simultaneously denying the foundations of European culture.

    Until the 90s of the last century, European leaders such as Margaret Thatcher defended the European Union as a model of cooperation between nation states against the federalist model, which envisages the centralization of power in Brussels and the reduction of the role of nation states. But the fanatical actions of Junker and Merkel during the immigration crisis upset this balance, which led to the withdrawal of Great Britain from the union, as well as to the alienation of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe from the union. The European Union is at an impasse. No one has discredited the idea of ​​European unity more than these federalists. Many therefore turn away from the idea of ​​the European Union as such.

    But Europe is not only in “Brussels”. Europe is where “rooting in ancient Greece a certain common intellectual and artistic tradition, – in Rome – political, legal and military [tradition], and in Christianity – (..) the transformation and transformation of barbaric man with noble religion and ethics. ” Europe is our “wider fatherland”, and “Europeanness is also a prerequisite for Latvianness – when we lose our Europeanness, we inevitably lose our Latvianness as well.” We are Europeans and bear the responsibility not only for preserving and developing the Latvian identity, but also about the fate of our common civilization.”

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Who exactly wrote that long quoted part? It sounds reasonably accurate. FWIW, I prefer the EU as a confederation (not a federation) of independent countries who work together in order to achieve mutual goals of theirs and also to achieve greater things together. But I also acknowledge that levels of integration can be increased or decreased depending on political realities. States' rights in the US were much stronger in the past relative to right now, for instance. During the 20th century, federalism in the US was somewhat undermined by a strong and assertive federal government. Similarly, India is a much poorer Hindu version of the EU, but much more tightly integrated, albeit a federation rather than a unitary state.

    Would be cool for European countries to retain their own cultures within the EU, of course.

    Replies: @LatW

  732. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.
     
    Nonsense, Austria is neutral. So were - at least on paper - Finland and Sweden until recently. It works.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.
     
    Some did, but the dominant majority didn't, incl. Putin until the last few years. They wanted a neutral Ukraine, normal human rights for Russians there. And less crazyness with the Nazi-Bandera stuff (it is in very bad taste) - but that would never lead to a war.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies' embrace of it. If you take the Nato issue out, all other disagreements would be solved with a compromise. Kiev screwed up and they are paying a horrible price.

    Whether 18% or 23%,and where will it stop is less important than the reality that Kiev-Nato started a war they can't win or walk away from...That is the definition of a strategic error.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    …Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    Nonsense, Austria is neutral.

    Austria was fully integrated economically with the West, not with the East, it neutral only militarily.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.

    Some did, but the dominant majority didn’t, incl. Putin until the last few years.

    Putin described the breakup of the USSR as a geopolitical catastrophe. By that, he didn’t mean the end of the Communist economic system. It was the loss of Ukraine for Moscow. Neutrality for Ukraine would at best be tolerated as a stepping stone to later integration, as in the case of Belarus.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies’ embrace of it

    So you lie. Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people. Oops.

    NATO was only important because membership in NATO would make union much more difficult if not impossible. But it was secondary to the primary cause – the goal of annexing Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...it was secondary to the primary cause – the goal of annexing Ukraine.
     
    You are hallucinating...without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

    There is a nice parity between the West-Kiev now saying that because of the war they now must join Nato - and Russia's decision that because of how the Ukies-West fight to the last Ukrainian they will have to annex Ukraine.

    Be careful what you scare yourself with or it may happen...

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don't lie again by cherrypicking. To say it was a "catastrophe" - from the Russian viewpoint - doesn't mean anyone would do anything about it. The war only happened when Nato couldn't pocket its gains and went too far.

    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue - there would be no war. You know it.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Austria was fully integrated economically with the West, not with the East, it neutral only militarily.

     

    Similar to Finland, Sweden, and Switzerland during the Cold War (and in the first two's case, until the early 2020s; Switzerland is still neutral right now).
    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.
     
    After reading Barbarossa's comment, yesterday I finally mustered the will to watch most of Tucker's interview and it is very clear that you are committing fraud here.

    Putin did spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why Ukraine is so important historically for Russia but eventually he used all those explanations to justify why he wouldn't accept NATO bases there. From you own link:

    And then they say, “Ukraine won’t be in the NATO. You know?” I say, “I don’t know. I know you agreed in 2008. Why won’t you agree in the future?” “Well, they pressed us then.” I say, “Why won’t they press you tomorrow, and you’ll agree again?” Well, it’s nonsensical. Who’s there to talk to?
    ...
    during the elections in already independent sovereign Ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the Declaration of Independence, and by the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state, and in 2008 suddenly the doors or gates to NATO were open to it. Oh, come on. This is not how we agreed.
    ...
    All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO’s doors. How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side this would’ve been a culpable negligence. That’s what it would’ve been. It’s just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross, because doing so could have ruined Russia itself. Besides, we could not leave our brothers in faith, in fact, a part of Russian people in the face of this war machine.
    ...
    Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.

     
    The verdict here is tremendously clear. Putin did use NATO's expansion as an argument to start his war in this interview and he did it repeatedly. By stating the contrary, you are actually more guilty of fraud than Trump. Let's not forget that Trump's loan application contained the disclaimer that it was just his own estimate and Deutsche Bank should do its due diligence. You have tried to distort Putin's words here without any such disclaimer for Unz's readers.

    If Gerard, for example, ever became the Attorney General in the state of your residence after campaigning on the promise that he would prosecute AP, he could easily use this post of yours as incriminating evidence and make you sell your house (or your wife's Moscow apartment) to pay the fine he would impose on you. I would personally find such a conviction a miscarriage of justice and an abuse of power on the part of Gerard but, if you are consistent with your stated beliefs, you'd have to declare yourself guilty and pay up.

    Replies: @AP

  733. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    I don't think so. Flight traffic to Russia has probably decreased a lot too.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    AFAIK if you want to fly to Russia from the UK, you must fly to Turkey then get a flight from there.

    I’m pretty sure the Finns have shut the borders, so the train from Helsinki is a bust too.

    As an occasional Flightradar24 viewer, I’ve only seen one civil flight into Ukraine, and that was to Uzhorod(?) which is only just over the border from Poland.

    Most NATO/US stuff arrives at Rzsesow (?), which is not far from the border, and is also served by cheapo Ryanair UK civil flights. I’m sure it would be interesting to see what else is on the runways, but as a known fanboy it would be foolish to go there.

    There are other rail routes in from Chop (!) – Russia hit one of the Carpathian tunnels early on in the war. All maps of the Ukrainian rail system are from 2008 or so, and I can see from satellite pics that several have been upgraded since (double tracked, electrification).

  734. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?
     
    The US sent several Abrams tanks to Ukraine months ago:
    https://www.voanews.com/a/all-31-abrams-tanks-in-ukraine-us-military-confirms-to-voa/7313918.html

    Abrams tanks were never seen at the front lines. That’s not a rumor, that’s a fact.

    Why? I presented my hypothesis. You’re welcome to come up with alternative explanations.

    Replies: @A123

    Interestingly, the US government, apparently at the behest of the makers of Abrams tanks, prohibited Ukies to use these tanks in actual combat.

    That rumor seems implausible. Is there a citation to back it up?

    The US sent several Abrams tanks to Ukraine months ago:
    https://www.voanews.com/a/all-31-abrams-tanks-in-ukraine-us-military-confirms-to-voa/7313918.html

    Abrams tanks were never seen at the front lines. That’s not a rumor, that’s a fact.

    Why? I presented my hypothesis. You’re welcome to come up with alternative explanations.

    More plausible options include:

    -1- Crews are still being trained
    -2- Some of the tanks arrived broken and are being repaired
    -3- Insufficient spares are available
    -4- The tanks are sticking close to JP8 fuel supplies
    -5- Ukie military leadership is reserving them for the next “major offensive”

    The largest factor is probably #1. It takes 6+ months to prepare for solo operation, so the first available date may still be in the future. If not, it only recently came to pass.

    Rushing inexperienced crews forward is a good way to lose the asset. Their initial field service will likely be reserve & defense. Probably another 6 months as they continue to “work up” essential squadron and company coordination skills. This concept stacks nicely with #4 as defending airfields is vital.

    Limits on how systems can be used make sense for long range missiles that could cause escalation. Trying to restrict how tanks are used seems a bit far fetched. Though admittedly not impossible. If it came from a source with a strong track record, I would be more willing to accept the idea.

    PEACE 😇

  735. @LondonBob
    I am calling the top of the tech bubble, Druckenmiller rotates in to gold miners.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks – he’s holding on to Nvidia though. AI is still very much a thing.

  736. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.
     
    Nonsense, Austria is neutral. So were - at least on paper - Finland and Sweden until recently. It works.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.
     
    Some did, but the dominant majority didn't, incl. Putin until the last few years. They wanted a neutral Ukraine, normal human rights for Russians there. And less crazyness with the Nazi-Bandera stuff (it is in very bad taste) - but that would never lead to a war.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies' embrace of it. If you take the Nato issue out, all other disagreements would be solved with a compromise. Kiev screwed up and they are paying a horrible price.

    Whether 18% or 23%,and where will it stop is less important than the reality that Kiev-Nato started a war they can't win or walk away from...That is the definition of a strategic error.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    Nonsense, Austria is neutral. So were – at least on paper – Finland and Sweden until recently. It works.

    It works only under certain preconditions: when the country is geographically located relatively far from its adversaries or hostile states or is surrounded by friendly states (Austria in the modern era) or when the country has a strong military (Finland has always had a general conscription, a huge reserve, its own domestic military industry – if Ukraine had become that way starting in the 1990s, their military plus reserves would have numbered in millions of highly trained people and they would still have their missiles and fighter jets, not to mention Sweden’s highly competitive homegrown military industry – these countries were never “naked” the way that the post-USSR states idiotically and naively allowed themselves to become after 1991). Also, the neutral state must not be permeated with the assets from a hostile state (the way that Ukraine was after 1991).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW


    these countries were never “naked” the way that the post-USSR states idiotically and naively allowed themselves to become after 1991
     
    Correction: Ukraine did have their own missiles and planes (otherwise they would not have been able to hold off Russia in Kyiv in 2022 or in Donbas in 2014) - however, had the disarmament of the 1990s not happened and had they built up more on top of their existing military industry, in the way that Finland and Sweden had diligently done over the decades, Ukraine would be a military superpower by European standards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

  737. @LondonBob
    I am calling the top of the tech bubble, Druckenmiller rotates in to gold miners.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Emil Nikola Richard

    When the Federal Reserve stops feeding it and not one month before. The only thing slowing down is jobs for programmers. If you are a programmer that is a totally different thing from the markets.

    Hey look at this

    $52,069.58

    https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

  738. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Nonsense, Austria is neutral. So were – at least on paper – Finland and Sweden until recently. It works.
     
    It works only under certain preconditions: when the country is geographically located relatively far from its adversaries or hostile states or is surrounded by friendly states (Austria in the modern era) or when the country has a strong military (Finland has always had a general conscription, a huge reserve, its own domestic military industry - if Ukraine had become that way starting in the 1990s, their military plus reserves would have numbered in millions of highly trained people and they would still have their missiles and fighter jets, not to mention Sweden's highly competitive homegrown military industry - these countries were never "naked" the way that the post-USSR states idiotically and naively allowed themselves to become after 1991). Also, the neutral state must not be permeated with the assets from a hostile state (the way that Ukraine was after 1991).

    Replies: @LatW

    these countries were never “naked” the way that the post-USSR states idiotically and naively allowed themselves to become after 1991

    Correction: Ukraine did have their own missiles and planes (otherwise they would not have been able to hold off Russia in Kyiv in 2022 or in Donbas in 2014) – however, had the disarmament of the 1990s not happened and had they built up more on top of their existing military industry, in the way that Finland and Sweden had diligently done over the decades, Ukraine would be a military superpower by European standards.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    How is their supply of axes, scythes, and clubs? They might come in handy in the next couple years when the Poles and whatnot get restless.

    There is a new breaking the rules video out yesterday. It starts at 2:20 mark and both Jason and the gnostic informant are leaning back with their hands folded below their belt buckle. I wouldn't listen to the whole thing but that visual is hysterically funny.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remDjnfRRSE

    Internet Eschatology!

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW

    There is an obvious ranking of superpowers - or just "powers" - and Ukraine would be weaker than Russia no matter what. And so is Finland and Sweden - Swedes can't even manage their home-turf crime, there is little chance they would die in large numbers like the Ukies. Finns possibly, but they are one depressed bunch at normal times, I can't figure them out...the whole bake-me-in-the-oven lifestyle, heavy drinking, Asiatic language, they are very weird, so I can see them acting like lemmings. They did before.

    Neutrality is not something you do only when in an isolated, safe geography - it is a simple approach to existence by prioritizing life over unnecessary death. Austria was on the front-lines of Cold War and did just fine by being neutral. Ukies made a tragic mistake and now they are paying for it.

    Replies: @LatW

  739. @AP
    @Beckow


    …Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    Nonsense, Austria is neutral.
     
    Austria was fully integrated economically with the West, not with the East, it neutral only militarily.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.

    Some did, but the dominant majority didn’t, incl. Putin until the last few years.

     

    Putin described the breakup of the USSR as a geopolitical catastrophe. By that, he didn't mean the end of the Communist economic system. It was the loss of Ukraine for Moscow. Neutrality for Ukraine would at best be tolerated as a stepping stone to later integration, as in the case of Belarus.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies’ embrace of it
     
    So you lie. Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn't take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people. Oops.

    NATO was only important because membership in NATO would make union much more difficult if not impossible. But it was secondary to the primary cause - the goal of annexing Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    …it was secondary to the primary cause – the goal of annexing Ukraine.

    You are hallucinating…without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

    There is a nice parity between the West-Kiev now saying that because of the war they now must join Nato – and Russia’s decision that because of how the Ukies-West fight to the last Ukrainian they will have to annex Ukraine.

    Be careful what you scare yourself with or it may happen…

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don’t lie again by cherrypicking. To say it was a “catastrophe” – from the Russian viewpoint – doesn’t mean anyone would do anything about it. The war only happened when Nato couldn’t pocket its gains and went too far.

    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war. You know it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.
     
    There would still be Ukrainian nationalism (self-awareness really, it's just that Moscow doesn't see it that way) and the will to arm oneself, as well as various highly valuable assets (mines, agro industry, ports, etc), held in mostly local hands. In the global context, America is retreating, Germany is very amicable - why would Russia not go ahead and take what they want (acknowledging that Ukraine is hostile now - "anti-Rossiya", as they call it).

    Replies: @A123

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.
     
    Probably not – Putin is too peace-loving.

    In my book, Kiev regime deserved to be crushed for the war crimes in Donbass since 2014 with numerous victims and for rabid nationalism that manifested itself, among other things, in cancellation of all languages except Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    You are hallucinating…without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

     

    Not sure about that, especially if the West would have still insisted on engaging in military cooperation with Ukraine and arming Ukraine. Are you sure that Putin would have tolerated this without Ukrainian NATO membership?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    You are hallucinating…without Nato there would be no war.
     
    The repeated assertions of someone with a well-known reputation for his hostile relationship with the truth.

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don’t lie again by cherrypicking.
     
    It is you who lie and cherry-pick. Tucker kept bringing up NATO, Putin focused on history. He did eventually, at Tucker's prodding, mention that NATO was part of the reason (after 1.5 hours of interview!) but it is cherry-picking to suggest this was the sole or most important reason. Putin's primary reason is annexation, and this is excused by Russian historical mythology which accordingly is the focus of what Putin chose to focus on in the interview.

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/tucker-carlson-interviews-vladimir-putin-transcript

    Tucker:

    Mr. President, thank you. On February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started, and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

    Putin:

    It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike in Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

    Tucker Carlson (02:06):

    Here’s the quote. Thank you. It’s a formidable, serious-

    Vladimir Putin (02:14):

    Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

    Tucker Carlson (02:18):

    Yes.

    Vladimir Putin (02:21):

    So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute [it did not last 30 seconds or 1 minute - AP] to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background.

    Tucker Carlson (02:30):

    Please.

    Vladimir Putin (02:34):

    Let’s look where our relationship with Ukraine started from. Where did Ukraine come from? The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the Russian state, in 862 when the townspeople of Novgorod invited a Varangian prince, Rurik, from Scandinavia to Reign. In 1862 Russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of its statehood, and in Novgorod there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the country. In 882 Rurik’s successor Prince Oleg, who was actually playing the role of regent and Rurik’s young son because Rurik had died by that time, came to Kiev. He ousted two brothers who apparently had once been members of Rurik’s squad, so Russia began to develop with two centers of power, Kiev and Novgorod.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    Putin then continues at length with a long description of Russian historical mythology about Russians and Ukrainians being one people, split up by the nefarious Poles and Catholics.

    22 minutes into the interview, Tucker again says: "you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?"

    Putin dismisses him by saying: "I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so bear with me please."

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    This was the focus, the main reason, for the war. Union. Supposed mutual history. NATO was secondary.

    :::::::::::::::::::::



    50 minutes in, Putin mentions NATO himself, as part of the overall historical discussion leading up to Maidan : "Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us."

    Tucker was eager for Putin to blame NATO, to vindicate fools or liars that NATO was primarily to blame. He kept pushing and again asked Putin: "Did you call a US president, Secretary of State, and say, “If you keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this is going to get… This is going to be… We’re going to act.” He responded: "We talked about this all the time. We addressed the United States and European countries’ leadership to stop these developments immediately."

    After 1.5 hours Tucker again tries to get Putin to directly blame NATO expansion for the invasion.

    Tucker: "I just have to ask, you’ve said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990. It’s a threat to your country. Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the president of Ukraine to join NATO. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?"

    Putin: "I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d’etat through peaceful means but no one listened to us."

    Still, he wouldn't directly say so right away.

    He continued:

    And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. They essentially began to create bases there. That’s all. Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality

    Vladimir Putin (01:36:00):

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  740. @LatW
    @LatW


    these countries were never “naked” the way that the post-USSR states idiotically and naively allowed themselves to become after 1991
     
    Correction: Ukraine did have their own missiles and planes (otherwise they would not have been able to hold off Russia in Kyiv in 2022 or in Donbas in 2014) - however, had the disarmament of the 1990s not happened and had they built up more on top of their existing military industry, in the way that Finland and Sweden had diligently done over the decades, Ukraine would be a military superpower by European standards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    How is their supply of axes, scythes, and clubs? They might come in handy in the next couple years when the Poles and whatnot get restless.

    There is a new breaking the rules video out yesterday. It starts at 2:20 mark and both Jason and the gnostic informant are leaning back with their hands folded below their belt buckle. I wouldn’t listen to the whole thing but that visual is hysterically funny.

    [MORE]

    Internet Eschatology!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Oh, my old friend Jason! How pleasant to see him again - thank you! He looks (and sounds) like he's doing very well. :)

    I'll have to wait until I make dinner to listen to this - it's 2 hours long (and I have to work right now).

    Yes, I suppose one can argue that philosophy does not have the ability to grasp the "sacred" - but we do come quite close to it in the Kantian aesthetics through the idea of the sublime (this can apply to our idea of God or transcendence).

    "Momentous conversation". :)


    It starts at 2:20 mark and both Jason and the gnostic informant are leaning back with their hands folded below their belt buckle.
     
    It's a slightly meditative pose. :)

    p.s. Love the background tune.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  741. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...it was secondary to the primary cause – the goal of annexing Ukraine.
     
    You are hallucinating...without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

    There is a nice parity between the West-Kiev now saying that because of the war they now must join Nato - and Russia's decision that because of how the Ukies-West fight to the last Ukrainian they will have to annex Ukraine.

    Be careful what you scare yourself with or it may happen...

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don't lie again by cherrypicking. To say it was a "catastrophe" - from the Russian viewpoint - doesn't mean anyone would do anything about it. The war only happened when Nato couldn't pocket its gains and went too far.

    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue - there would be no war. You know it.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.

    There would still be Ukrainian nationalism (self-awareness really, it’s just that Moscow doesn’t see it that way) and the will to arm oneself, as well as various highly valuable assets (mines, agro industry, ports, etc), held in mostly local hands. In the global context, America is retreating, Germany is very amicable – why would Russia not go ahead and take what they want (acknowledging that Ukraine is hostile now – “anti-Rossiya”, as they call it).

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW



    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.

     

    There would still be Ukrainian nationalism (self-awareness really, it’s just that Moscow doesn’t see it that way) and the will to arm oneself
     
    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.

    why would Russia not go ahead and take what they want.
     
    There are many reasons:

    • Because Russia wants sanctions to stop.
    • They want Europe as a market.
    • Assimilating acquisitions will take years of expenses. More land = more cost.

    The idea that Russia wants 100% assimilation of all Ukraine simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There is ample evidence that Russia is trying to avoid that outcome.
    __

    The problem has always been Kiev aggression. Merkel tanked the 2015 Minsk deal. Scholz and BoJo walked away from the 2029 opportunity. Ukraine needs a leader who will negotiate. Sadly that does not appear to be neo-Nazi Zelensky, enemy of the Jews.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

  742. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...it was secondary to the primary cause – the goal of annexing Ukraine.
     
    You are hallucinating...without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

    There is a nice parity between the West-Kiev now saying that because of the war they now must join Nato - and Russia's decision that because of how the Ukies-West fight to the last Ukrainian they will have to annex Ukraine.

    Be careful what you scare yourself with or it may happen...

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don't lie again by cherrypicking. To say it was a "catastrophe" - from the Russian viewpoint - doesn't mean anyone would do anything about it. The war only happened when Nato couldn't pocket its gains and went too far.

    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue - there would be no war. You know it.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.

    Probably not – Putin is too peace-loving.

    In my book, Kiev regime deserved to be crushed for the war crimes in Donbass since 2014 with numerous victims and for rabid nationalism that manifested itself, among other things, in cancellation of all languages except Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AnonfromTN

    If Putin was going to go expansionist at all back in 2014 (and it benefitted his popularity in Russia, no doubt about that), then he should have certainly annexed the Donbass to the Russian Reich back then. Being left outside in the cold, deprived of the warmth of the Russian Reich for almost a decade was terrible for the Donbass.

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Sure, a different country or Russia with a different leadership wouldn't put up with the 3k Russian civilians murdered in Donbas, or the Odessa mass murder, or banning the Russian language. US, France or UK would 100% not put up with it - they started wars all over the world over trifles much-much smaller - or just made them up.

    The weird thing was that Russia was so patient and inactive - but they did grab Crimea so they should had understood that the a big war was inevitable. The belief in Merkel-Macron lies and Minsk after all those years also doesn't make much sense.

    It is possible that Putin&Co. understand that for Russia's domestic tranquility reasons they have to appear reluctant and peaceful - being pushed by the Russian public opinion into a big war with no restraints, and not moving too early. If that's the case, Zelko and the Kiev gang are probably working for them - they couldn't find a better catalyst.

    (There are layers to us Slavs that the Westies will never understand. That's why we always win at the end.)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    that manifested itself, among other things, in cancellation of all languages except Ukrainian.
     
    State schools in Russian and other languages were kept in grade schools, but secondary schools were taught in Ukrainian.

    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more "cancelled" in the USA. In most states, English is declared the only official language. Remember when you falsely claimed it wasn't, even though the very state that you live in, Tennessee, officially declares English to be the only state language?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  743. @LatW
    @LatW


    these countries were never “naked” the way that the post-USSR states idiotically and naively allowed themselves to become after 1991
     
    Correction: Ukraine did have their own missiles and planes (otherwise they would not have been able to hold off Russia in Kyiv in 2022 or in Donbas in 2014) - however, had the disarmament of the 1990s not happened and had they built up more on top of their existing military industry, in the way that Finland and Sweden had diligently done over the decades, Ukraine would be a military superpower by European standards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    There is an obvious ranking of superpowers – or just “powers” – and Ukraine would be weaker than Russia no matter what. And so is Finland and Sweden – Swedes can’t even manage their home-turf crime, there is little chance they would die in large numbers like the Ukies. Finns possibly, but they are one depressed bunch at normal times, I can’t figure them out…the whole bake-me-in-the-oven lifestyle, heavy drinking, Asiatic language, they are very weird, so I can see them acting like lemmings. They did before.

    Neutrality is not something you do only when in an isolated, safe geography – it is a simple approach to existence by prioritizing life over unnecessary death. Austria was on the front-lines of Cold War and did just fine by being neutral. Ukies made a tragic mistake and now they are paying for it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    There is an obvious ranking of superpowers – or just “powers” – and Ukraine would be weaker than Russia no matter what.
     
    My point was that neutrality, especially in a dangerous kind of an area (Ukraine's area is more dangerous than that of Sweden or Czech Rep) - it's a privilege of the strong. If they had built up their own military, RusFed would think twice whether to touch them (they would know ahead of time that it won't be "Kyiv in 2 days"). As I said, if they had the equivalent of the kind of an army that Finland had all these decades, they would have millions of reserves and their own military industry (which they did have but not in sufficient volumes). I've also heard from some Ukrainian insiders that their military and security services where deliberately sabotaged by Russian infiltrators. Of course, they also had a huge 5th column to begin with.

    Finns possibly, but they are one depressed bunch at normal times, I can’t figure them out…
     
    That's because you don't know much about them, you haven't lived next to them for hundreds of years. They're a bit enigmatic but not that hard to figure out. Nice, peaceful neighbors.

    Asiatic language
     
    Uralic. Btw, what's with your fixation of "Asiatic"? Most Asians are nice, peaceful people.

    Replies: @AP, @songbird

  744. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    He argues that Europe has nothing to gain from another war, that seeking European border revision through violent means is futile, and that Russia will be imperialist regardless of its form of government, which is why the rest of Europe should unite against Russia in defense of their common European homeland. Again, a very interesting and insightful book.
     
    These are good arguments (and, of course, he was right about Russia not being able to transform). There have been various such predictions about Europe's future (some even incorporating Russia in some form).

    But this is the so called Kalergi plan - I haven't delved into it much, but our nationalists despise it. Our nationalists write things about it along these lines (the guy who wrote it was very young at the time so it is very naive, but it's along the lines of anti-federalism which is common for ethnonats, although it does sound a bit dated and should be reviewed with a fresh lens of 2024):

    "1. Two European Unions

    The European Union was founded as a union of Christian European nations under a common civilizational identity.

    The fathers of the European Union, Konrad Adenauer and Robert Schuman, knew that Europe could not be united by power and imperialism, as various European powers had tried for centuries, but only by respecting national differences and the interests of each country, and by linking these interests in a mutually beneficial mechanism. Europe will be created by "concrete achievements which (..) will create true solidarity"[1] - this is what French Foreign Minister Robert Schuman said at the time of the establishment of the European Coal and Steel Union. "Political unity does not mean absorbing the people. Political integration does not mean giving up national sovereignty. The bond that unites Europe will not lead to the denial of the fatherland.” [2] Can it be expressed more clearly? The European Union was intended as a format for mutual cooperation between European nations! This political realism was intertwined with the understanding of the nature of democracy, that is, “either democracy will be Christian or it will not exist. Antichristian democracy is a caricature that will descend either into tyranny or anarchy.”

    But at the same time, there was also the other direction - the same old imperialism, only in a new form. It is Richard von Coudenhove Kalergi's Pan-Europe, which would mean the mixing of peoples and the elimination of national differences in the name of utopia. This was the basis for the European federalist movement, which wants to transform the European Union (and to some extent has transformed it) into a centralized and bureaucratized monster that controls each individual country with its dictates. Italian communist Altiero Spinelli was the official founder of the European Federalist movement, a key figure in transforming Adenauer and Schuman's Europe into what the European Union is today. The main building of the European Parliament in Brussels is also named after him. These European federalists of communist origin are not talking about the essence of Europe, or its identity as a civilization and the preservation of that identity, but about functions. For example, about the same "democracy", which, as we see, is detached from its Christian context, in the execution of the European Commission, it really turns into tyranny and anarchy at the same time. The "solidarity" demanded by this commission is divorced from the real values ​​and shared achievements that could encourage European nations to give up some of their independence for the common cause. Therefore, it is not solidarity, but a dictate that is justified by the ideological slogans of leftist multiculturalism. This ideology fulfills the task of a pseudo-religion for this new pseudo-elite, which tries to acquire a monopoly on Europeanness, while simultaneously denying the foundations of European culture.

    Until the 90s of the last century, European leaders such as Margaret Thatcher defended the European Union as a model of cooperation between nation states against the federalist model, which envisages the centralization of power in Brussels and the reduction of the role of nation states. But the fanatical actions of Junker and Merkel during the immigration crisis upset this balance, which led to the withdrawal of Great Britain from the union, as well as to the alienation of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe from the union. The European Union is at an impasse. No one has discredited the idea of ​​European unity more than these federalists. Many therefore turn away from the idea of ​​the European Union as such.

    But Europe is not only in "Brussels". Europe is where “rooting in ancient Greece a certain common intellectual and artistic tradition, – in Rome – political, legal and military [tradition], and in Christianity – (..) the transformation and transformation of barbaric man with noble religion and ethics. " Europe is our "wider fatherland", and "Europeanness is also a prerequisite for Latvianness - when we lose our Europeanness, we inevitably lose our Latvianness as well." We are Europeans and bear the responsibility not only for preserving and developing the Latvian identity, but also about the fate of our common civilization."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Who exactly wrote that long quoted part? It sounds reasonably accurate. FWIW, I prefer the EU as a confederation (not a federation) of independent countries who work together in order to achieve mutual goals of theirs and also to achieve greater things together. But I also acknowledge that levels of integration can be increased or decreased depending on political realities. States’ rights in the US were much stronger in the past relative to right now, for instance. During the 20th century, federalism in the US was somewhat undermined by a strong and assertive federal government. Similarly, India is a much poorer Hindu version of the EU, but much more tightly integrated, albeit a federation rather than a unitary state.

    Would be cool for European countries to retain their own cultures within the EU, of course.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Who exactly wrote that long quoted part? It sounds reasonably accurate.
     

    It's a young conservative I know, he wrote this back in 2015-2016, during the whole Intermarium wave. Obviously a ton has changed since then. He writes in a much more mature manner now (mostly against the woke culture).

    Would be cool for European countries to retain their own cultures within the EU, of course.
     
    EU countries are first and foremost nation states. It's not so easy to change that, even if there are attempts to erode it.

    Btw, I'd like to share something with you. Did you know that the grandfather of Putin's children (Kabaeva's father, Marat Kabaev) supports Hamas? Understandably so, he's a Muslim fundamentalist. Just thought I'd run this by you. And apparently, Putin had Navalny killed because he published an expose on Kabaeva. Baby mamas are off limits.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  745. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.
     
    Probably not – Putin is too peace-loving.

    In my book, Kiev regime deserved to be crushed for the war crimes in Donbass since 2014 with numerous victims and for rabid nationalism that manifested itself, among other things, in cancellation of all languages except Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AP

    If Putin was going to go expansionist at all back in 2014 (and it benefitted his popularity in Russia, no doubt about that), then he should have certainly annexed the Donbass to the Russian Reich back then. Being left outside in the cold, deprived of the warmth of the Russian Reich for almost a decade was terrible for the Donbass.

  746. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...it was secondary to the primary cause – the goal of annexing Ukraine.
     
    You are hallucinating...without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

    There is a nice parity between the West-Kiev now saying that because of the war they now must join Nato - and Russia's decision that because of how the Ukies-West fight to the last Ukrainian they will have to annex Ukraine.

    Be careful what you scare yourself with or it may happen...

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don't lie again by cherrypicking. To say it was a "catastrophe" - from the Russian viewpoint - doesn't mean anyone would do anything about it. The war only happened when Nato couldn't pocket its gains and went too far.

    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue - there would be no war. You know it.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    You are hallucinating…without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

    Not sure about that, especially if the West would have still insisted on engaging in military cooperation with Ukraine and arming Ukraine. Are you sure that Putin would have tolerated this without Ukrainian NATO membership?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...if the West would have still insisted on engaging in military cooperation with Ukraine and arming Ukraine.
     
    If Biden or Zelko (or both) came out in January 2022 and said that "there are no plans for Nato to accept Ukraine and Ukraine has no intention of joining Nato" it would prevent the war. Russia said so at that time - there would be lengthy, hard negotiations about the details - how many arms and where, nature of "cooperation", etc... - but there would almost certainly be no war. Maybe later if the talks would fail.

    If you think that Russia always wanted to take over Ukraine - as AP claims - that was the way to prevent it. By saying it is "none of Russia's business" and "Ukraine will join Nato" the war became inevitable and with it the possible realization of what you claim was the real Russia's goal: annexation of Ukraine.

    It was played very badly by both Kiev and the West. They screwed up. If you are the weaker military party you should do the utmost to prevent a war. Kiev-Nato did the opposite and now they are sorry. Play it out in your mind how much better off would Kiev be if they kept their mouth shut and didn't brazenly provoke the war...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  747. @LatW
    @Beckow


    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.
     
    There would still be Ukrainian nationalism (self-awareness really, it's just that Moscow doesn't see it that way) and the will to arm oneself, as well as various highly valuable assets (mines, agro industry, ports, etc), held in mostly local hands. In the global context, America is retreating, Germany is very amicable - why would Russia not go ahead and take what they want (acknowledging that Ukraine is hostile now - "anti-Rossiya", as they call it).

    Replies: @A123

    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.

    There would still be Ukrainian nationalism (self-awareness really, it’s just that Moscow doesn’t see it that way) and the will to arm oneself

    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.

    why would Russia not go ahead and take what they want.

    There are many reasons:

    • Because Russia wants sanctions to stop.
    • They want Europe as a market.
    • Assimilating acquisitions will take years of expenses. More land = more cost.

    The idea that Russia wants 100% assimilation of all Ukraine simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There is ample evidence that Russia is trying to avoid that outcome.
    __

    The problem has always been Kiev aggression. Merkel tanked the 2015 Minsk deal. Scholz and BoJo walked away from the 2029 opportunity. Ukraine needs a leader who will negotiate. Sadly that does not appear to be neo-Nazi Zelensky, enemy of the Jews.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123


    Scholz and BoJo walked away from the 2029 opportunity
     
    That is an impressive typo on my part... It, of course, should read 2022.

    PEACE 😇
    , @LatW
    @A123


    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.
     
    Wasn't gonna happen in 2014, much less now.

    Nnobody would've done this willingly after the 2014 intervention (Surkov's malice, the "Northern wind" and Illovaisk, Crimea annexation, hostile rhetoric towards the Ukrainian nationality that started even before 2014 - hugely aggressive acts), much less now. Putin in his ultimatum went even further and demanded disarmament from all of the Eastern Europeans - spat in our faces thinking that he can dictate such things and thought he can demand stuff from the West, thus we have what we have now. But you have a very limited understanding of geopolitics in Eastern Europe - very Trump-like ("I'll solve this with one phone call"... yea, right).

    Btw, what about "enforceable arms limitations" on the Russian side - or does this work only in a one sided way? All animals are equal, but pigs are the most equal, as usual?


    The idea that Russia wants 100% assimilation of all Ukraine simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There is ample evidence that Russia is trying to avoid that outcome.
     
    They want the whole of Ukraine as a "sphere of influence" (entitled thinking) which the Ukrainians do not want to be and have no intention to be.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

  748. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.
     
    Probably not – Putin is too peace-loving.

    In my book, Kiev regime deserved to be crushed for the war crimes in Donbass since 2014 with numerous victims and for rabid nationalism that manifested itself, among other things, in cancellation of all languages except Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AP

    Sure, a different country or Russia with a different leadership wouldn’t put up with the 3k Russian civilians murdered in Donbas, or the Odessa mass murder, or banning the Russian language. US, France or UK would 100% not put up with it – they started wars all over the world over trifles much-much smaller – or just made them up.

    The weird thing was that Russia was so patient and inactive – but they did grab Crimea so they should had understood that the a big war was inevitable. The belief in Merkel-Macron lies and Minsk after all those years also doesn’t make much sense.

    It is possible that Putin&Co. understand that for Russia’s domestic tranquility reasons they have to appear reluctant and peaceful – being pushed by the Russian public opinion into a big war with no restraints, and not moving too early. If that’s the case, Zelko and the Kiev gang are probably working for them – they couldn’t find a better catalyst.

    (There are layers to us Slavs that the Westies will never understand. That’s why we always win at the end.)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    It is possible that Putin&Co. understand that for Russia’s domestic tranquility reasons they have to appear reluctant and peaceful – being pushed by the Russian public opinion into a big war with no restraints, and not moving too early.
     
    Maybe I am spoiled by 30+ years in the US, but I think the reasons are a lot more prosaic. So prosaic that even Westies can understand: in contrast to Western elites and their figureheads, Putin tends to see several moves ahead. He needed time to prepare Russian economy for sanctions he foresaw, and he made a move as soon as it was prepared. The fact that it grows today faster than any economy of note on the imperial patch supports this hypothesis. It’s still a hypothesis, though.

    I think gradual building up of popular demand for action was also a factor he took into account: in contrast to “democratic” leaders, he follows the desires of the populace.

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC

  749. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    How is their supply of axes, scythes, and clubs? They might come in handy in the next couple years when the Poles and whatnot get restless.

    There is a new breaking the rules video out yesterday. It starts at 2:20 mark and both Jason and the gnostic informant are leaning back with their hands folded below their belt buckle. I wouldn't listen to the whole thing but that visual is hysterically funny.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remDjnfRRSE

    Internet Eschatology!

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh, my old friend Jason! How pleasant to see him again – thank you! He looks (and sounds) like he’s doing very well. 🙂

    I’ll have to wait until I make dinner to listen to this – it’s 2 hours long (and I have to work right now).

    Yes, I suppose one can argue that philosophy does not have the ability to grasp the “sacred” – but we do come quite close to it in the Kantian aesthetics through the idea of the sublime (this can apply to our idea of God or transcendence).

    “Momentous conversation”. 🙂

    [MORE]

    It starts at 2:20 mark and both Jason and the gnostic informant are leaning back with their hands folded below their belt buckle.

    It’s a slightly meditative pose. 🙂

    p.s. Love the background tune.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    my old friend Jason
     
    CIA agents do not have friends. They have accomplices and subjects.
  750. @A123
    @LatW



    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.

     

    There would still be Ukrainian nationalism (self-awareness really, it’s just that Moscow doesn’t see it that way) and the will to arm oneself
     
    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.

    why would Russia not go ahead and take what they want.
     
    There are many reasons:

    • Because Russia wants sanctions to stop.
    • They want Europe as a market.
    • Assimilating acquisitions will take years of expenses. More land = more cost.

    The idea that Russia wants 100% assimilation of all Ukraine simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There is ample evidence that Russia is trying to avoid that outcome.
    __

    The problem has always been Kiev aggression. Merkel tanked the 2015 Minsk deal. Scholz and BoJo walked away from the 2029 opportunity. Ukraine needs a leader who will negotiate. Sadly that does not appear to be neo-Nazi Zelensky, enemy of the Jews.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Scholz and BoJo walked away from the 2029 opportunity

    That is an impressive typo on my part… It, of course, should read 2022.

    PEACE 😇

  751. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Sure, a different country or Russia with a different leadership wouldn't put up with the 3k Russian civilians murdered in Donbas, or the Odessa mass murder, or banning the Russian language. US, France or UK would 100% not put up with it - they started wars all over the world over trifles much-much smaller - or just made them up.

    The weird thing was that Russia was so patient and inactive - but they did grab Crimea so they should had understood that the a big war was inevitable. The belief in Merkel-Macron lies and Minsk after all those years also doesn't make much sense.

    It is possible that Putin&Co. understand that for Russia's domestic tranquility reasons they have to appear reluctant and peaceful - being pushed by the Russian public opinion into a big war with no restraints, and not moving too early. If that's the case, Zelko and the Kiev gang are probably working for them - they couldn't find a better catalyst.

    (There are layers to us Slavs that the Westies will never understand. That's why we always win at the end.)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    It is possible that Putin&Co. understand that for Russia’s domestic tranquility reasons they have to appear reluctant and peaceful – being pushed by the Russian public opinion into a big war with no restraints, and not moving too early.

    Maybe I am spoiled by 30+ years in the US, but I think the reasons are a lot more prosaic. So prosaic that even Westies can understand: in contrast to Western elites and their figureheads, Putin tends to see several moves ahead. He needed time to prepare Russian economy for sanctions he foresaw, and he made a move as soon as it was prepared. The fact that it grows today faster than any economy of note on the imperial patch supports this hypothesis. It’s still a hypothesis, though.

    I think gradual building up of popular demand for action was also a factor he took into account: in contrast to “democratic” leaders, he follows the desires of the populace.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    So prosaic that even Westies can understand: in contrast to Western elites and their figureheads, Putin tends to see several moves ahead. He needed time to prepare Russian economy for sanctions he foresaw, and he made a move as soon as it was prepared.
     
    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes.

    Putin's government was doing these tasks since 2015:

    -- Preparing Russia financially,
    -- Preparing militarily; first nuclear forces, then conventional,
    -- Hardening public opinion against a Western propaganda barrage,
    -- Diversifying the economy to prepare for the loss of Western economic and cultural ties.

    Progress on all tasks was gradual. Which suggests another preparation:

    -- Fighting internal Russian political battles against factions and forces who were either supporting the Western Ukrainian project or were hoping to capitalize on internal turmoil in the Kremlin related to fighting the SMO.

  752. @A123
    @LatW



    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.

     

    There would still be Ukrainian nationalism (self-awareness really, it’s just that Moscow doesn’t see it that way) and the will to arm oneself
     
    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.

    why would Russia not go ahead and take what they want.
     
    There are many reasons:

    • Because Russia wants sanctions to stop.
    • They want Europe as a market.
    • Assimilating acquisitions will take years of expenses. More land = more cost.

    The idea that Russia wants 100% assimilation of all Ukraine simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There is ample evidence that Russia is trying to avoid that outcome.
    __

    The problem has always been Kiev aggression. Merkel tanked the 2015 Minsk deal. Scholz and BoJo walked away from the 2029 opportunity. Ukraine needs a leader who will negotiate. Sadly that does not appear to be neo-Nazi Zelensky, enemy of the Jews.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.

    Wasn’t gonna happen in 2014, much less now.

    Nnobody would’ve done this willingly after the 2014 intervention (Surkov’s malice, the “Northern wind” and Illovaisk, Crimea annexation, hostile rhetoric towards the Ukrainian nationality that started even before 2014 – hugely aggressive acts), much less now. Putin in his ultimatum went even further and demanded disarmament from all of the Eastern Europeans – spat in our faces thinking that he can dictate such things and thought he can demand stuff from the West, thus we have what we have now. But you have a very limited understanding of geopolitics in Eastern Europe – very Trump-like (“I’ll solve this with one phone call”… yea, right).

    Btw, what about “enforceable arms limitations” on the Russian side – or does this work only in a one sided way? All animals are equal, but pigs are the most equal, as usual?

    The idea that Russia wants 100% assimilation of all Ukraine simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There is ample evidence that Russia is trying to avoid that outcome.

    They want the whole of Ukraine as a “sphere of influence” (entitled thinking) which the Ukrainians do not want to be and have no intention to be.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    I do wonder: Was Putin's December 2021 ultimatum compatible with huge local Eastern European armies being built (similar to Ukraine's army right now) with large-scale Western assistance (again, similar to Ukraine right now) even while NATO would have had to withdraw its military infrastructure from this region (albeit not revoke Eastern European countries' NATO membership itself)? Or would Putin have considered this an unacceptable provocation as well?

    Replies: @LatW

    , @A123
    @LatW



    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.
     
    Wasn’t gonna happen in 2014, much less now.
     
    Unilateral Kiev aggression included:

    • Killing Russian ethnics in Donbas
    • Building the Collective Punishment Dam
    • Repudiating the 2015 Minsk deal
    • Walking away from the 2022 deal

    How is it not obvious that any durable arrangement has to prevent Kiev aggression starting this all over again down the line?

    If violent Ukrainian nationalists stock up on offensive war material, you must know they would inevitably restart the fighting. To prevent the existential threat to Russian survival, this risk must be preempted.

    Btw, what about “enforceable arms limitations” on the Russian side – or does this work only in a one sided way?
     
    I have previously suggested a wide DMZ. This would explicitly impact both sides.

    Limitations on the 4 new Russian oblasts could be a negotiating point. Limiting Kiev offensive potential could balance with fewer defensive forces in the areas that Ukrainian nationalists seek to violate. Russia would wisely demand enough troop strength to stop a Pali/Ukie style October 7 attack.
    ___

    The top two problems right now are; Kiev refusal to negotiate with Putin; And, Abbas/Arafat levels of betrayal by Ukraine. After 2 rounds of bad faith broken deals, Zelensky has near nonexistent credibility.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

  753. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...it was secondary to the primary cause – the goal of annexing Ukraine.
     
    You are hallucinating...without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

    There is a nice parity between the West-Kiev now saying that because of the war they now must join Nato - and Russia's decision that because of how the Ukies-West fight to the last Ukrainian they will have to annex Ukraine.

    Be careful what you scare yourself with or it may happen...

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don't lie again by cherrypicking. To say it was a "catastrophe" - from the Russian viewpoint - doesn't mean anyone would do anything about it. The war only happened when Nato couldn't pocket its gains and went too far.

    One more time: if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue - there would be no war. You know it.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    You are hallucinating…without Nato there would be no war.

    The repeated assertions of someone with a well-known reputation for his hostile relationship with the truth.

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don’t lie again by cherrypicking.

    It is you who lie and cherry-pick. Tucker kept bringing up NATO, Putin focused on history. He did eventually, at Tucker’s prodding, mention that NATO was part of the reason (after 1.5 hours of interview!) but it is cherry-picking to suggest this was the sole or most important reason. Putin’s primary reason is annexation, and this is excused by Russian historical mythology which accordingly is the focus of what Putin chose to focus on in the interview.

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/tucker-carlson-interviews-vladimir-putin-transcript

    Tucker:

    Mr. President, thank you. On February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started, and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

    Putin:

    It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike in Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

    Tucker Carlson (02:06):

    Here’s the quote. Thank you. It’s a formidable, serious-

    Vladimir Putin (02:14):

    Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

    Tucker Carlson (02:18):

    Yes.

    Vladimir Putin (02:21):

    So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute [it did not last 30 seconds or 1 minute – AP] to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background.

    Tucker Carlson (02:30):

    Please.

    Vladimir Putin (02:34):

    Let’s look where our relationship with Ukraine started from. Where did Ukraine come from? The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the Russian state, in 862 when the townspeople of Novgorod invited a Varangian prince, Rurik, from Scandinavia to Reign. In 1862 Russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of its statehood, and in Novgorod there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the country. In 882 Rurik’s successor Prince Oleg, who was actually playing the role of regent and Rurik’s young son because Rurik had died by that time, came to Kiev. He ousted two brothers who apparently had once been members of Rurik’s squad, so Russia began to develop with two centers of power, Kiev and Novgorod.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    Putin then continues at length with a long description of Russian historical mythology about Russians and Ukrainians being one people, split up by the nefarious Poles and Catholics.

    22 minutes into the interview, Tucker again says: “you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?”

    Putin dismisses him by saying: “I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so bear with me please.”

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    This was the focus, the main reason, for the war. Union. Supposed mutual history. NATO was secondary.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    [MORE]

    50 minutes in, Putin mentions NATO himself, as part of the overall historical discussion leading up to Maidan : “Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.”

    Tucker was eager for Putin to blame NATO, to vindicate fools or liars that NATO was primarily to blame. He kept pushing and again asked Putin: “Did you call a US president, Secretary of State, and say, “If you keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this is going to get… This is going to be… We’re going to act.” He responded: “We talked about this all the time. We addressed the United States and European countries’ leadership to stop these developments immediately.”

    After 1.5 hours Tucker again tries to get Putin to directly blame NATO expansion for the invasion.

    Tucker: “I just have to ask, you’ve said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990. It’s a threat to your country. Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the president of Ukraine to join NATO. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?”

    Putin: “I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d’etat through peaceful means but no one listened to us.”

    Still, he wouldn’t directly say so right away.

    He continued:

    And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. They essentially began to create bases there. That’s all. Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality

    Vladimir Putin (01:36:00):

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    You know, I wonder if Russia would be willing to have the West demand and receive significant limitations on its own relationship with China (not a mere "pinky promise" but actual, verifiable commitments) in exchange for the West/NATO limiting its own relationship with Ukraine/Eastern Europe. I wonder if someone who was more into realpolitik and who would have hypothetically been US President in December 2021 would have been interested in exploring such a deal with Russia. But would Russia itself have actually been interested in such a deal? Or would Russia have insisted that its own relationship with China is not up for negotiation with the West but that the West's/NATO's relationship with Ukraine/Eastern Europe very much is up for negotiation with Russia, even when Russia makes demands that the West perceives to be unreasonable?

  754. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    It is possible that Putin&Co. understand that for Russia’s domestic tranquility reasons they have to appear reluctant and peaceful – being pushed by the Russian public opinion into a big war with no restraints, and not moving too early.
     
    Maybe I am spoiled by 30+ years in the US, but I think the reasons are a lot more prosaic. So prosaic that even Westies can understand: in contrast to Western elites and their figureheads, Putin tends to see several moves ahead. He needed time to prepare Russian economy for sanctions he foresaw, and he made a move as soon as it was prepared. The fact that it grows today faster than any economy of note on the imperial patch supports this hypothesis. It’s still a hypothesis, though.

    I think gradual building up of popular demand for action was also a factor he took into account: in contrast to “democratic” leaders, he follows the desires of the populace.

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC

    So prosaic that even Westies can understand: in contrast to Western elites and their figureheads, Putin tends to see several moves ahead. He needed time to prepare Russian economy for sanctions he foresaw, and he made a move as soon as it was prepared.

    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?
     
    I thought you are smarter than that. If the West steals (this is the correct word) these assets, it will thereby kill its financial system. I.e., kill the goose that lays golden eggs. Not to mention that by the time the morons find the cojones to steal these assets, there will be no Ukraine neocons and you want.

    Replies: @Beckow

  755. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    if you remove the Kiev-in-Nato issue – there would be no war.
     
    Probably not – Putin is too peace-loving.

    In my book, Kiev regime deserved to be crushed for the war crimes in Donbass since 2014 with numerous victims and for rabid nationalism that manifested itself, among other things, in cancellation of all languages except Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AP

    that manifested itself, among other things, in cancellation of all languages except Ukrainian.

    State schools in Russian and other languages were kept in grade schools, but secondary schools were taught in Ukrainian.

    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more “cancelled” in the USA. In most states, English is declared the only official language. Remember when you falsely claimed it wasn’t, even though the very state that you live in, Tennessee, officially declares English to be the only state language?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more “cancelled” in the USA.
     
    Are you really so dumb, or just pretend? Virtually everywhere the signs in English are doubled in Spanish: on the ATMs, in stores, etc. Every phone answering service tells you to chose between English and Spanish. Are in current banderite Ukieland the signs in Ukrainian doubled in Russian, or any other language, for that matter?

    Replies: @AP

  756. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    So prosaic that even Westies can understand: in contrast to Western elites and their figureheads, Putin tends to see several moves ahead. He needed time to prepare Russian economy for sanctions he foresaw, and he made a move as soon as it was prepared.
     
    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?

    I thought you are smarter than that. If the West steals (this is the correct word) these assets, it will thereby kill its financial system. I.e., kill the goose that lays golden eggs. Not to mention that by the time the morons find the cojones to steal these assets, there will be no Ukraine neocons and you want.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...If the West steals these assets, it will thereby kill its financial system.
     
    It will weaken it, but the system will go on. Two other reasons:

    - It gave Russia a carte blanche to repossess the huge Western investments in Russia's natural resources. Unlike the "financial" assets those are very real.
    - Leverage in any post-war-Ukie settlement - claims for property put against the frozen assets. It is not clean, but it allows for a way-out.

    One can argue that bird in hand is better than two birds in the bush. But if Russia indeed anticipated a few steps ahead, they could do this.

    Russia under-estimated the Western fanatical vehemence in not making a deal. It became self-enforcing -paradoxically it made it easier for Russia to achieve its maximal goals. If anyone told Russia in 2013 that they will get Crimea, Donbas, Azov and more....Ukraine state will effectively collapse with 10's of millions leaving, Germany will switch from cheap long-term contracts to expensive spot market, Russia will be given an excuse to protect its industries ....all of that handed to Russia on a silver platter.

    Without the Maidan madness none of it would be possible. People miss that when they focus on minutia like 18% vs. 25%...details of no importance.

  757. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    that manifested itself, among other things, in cancellation of all languages except Ukrainian.
     
    State schools in Russian and other languages were kept in grade schools, but secondary schools were taught in Ukrainian.

    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more "cancelled" in the USA. In most states, English is declared the only official language. Remember when you falsely claimed it wasn't, even though the very state that you live in, Tennessee, officially declares English to be the only state language?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more “cancelled” in the USA.

    Are you really so dumb, or just pretend? Virtually everywhere the signs in English are doubled in Spanish: on the ATMs, in stores, etc. Every phone answering service tells you to chose between English and Spanish. Are in current banderite Ukieland the signs in Ukrainian doubled in Russian, or any other language, for that matter?

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more “cancelled” in the USA.

    Are you really so dumb, or just pretend? Virtually everywhere the signs in English are doubled in Spanish: on the ATMs, in stores, etc. Every phone answering service tells you to chose between English and Spanish.
     
    But there are no Spanish-language state schools in the USA, yet there are many state language Russian-language primary schools in Ukraine (unless they have shut them down in response to the 2022 invasion, I don't know).

    In America some places use Spanish largely because there are many Spanish-speakers who do not understand English. In contrast, almost all Russian-speakers in Ukraine understand the Ukrainian language so there is no need for both languages.

    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?

    I thought you are smarter than that. If the West steals (this is the correct word) these assets, it will thereby kill its financial system.
     
    Because it took assets from a terror state that invaded another country?

    It would mean that places like Iran wouldn't park their assets in Western banks. Do they? Or that if China decided to invade the Philippines it would, unlike the moronic Russian government, pull its assets out first.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  758. 50 minutes in, Putin mentions NATO himself, as part of the overall historical discussion leading up to Maidan : “Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover,

    We also didn’t agree that you’d be walking around saying things such as “Russia’s borders never end” (a phrase that Putin has used several times and that they even display on street posters, including one on the Estonian border). Or say things such as “We can repeat” (alluding to invasions).

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
  759. @Beckow
    @LatW

    There is an obvious ranking of superpowers - or just "powers" - and Ukraine would be weaker than Russia no matter what. And so is Finland and Sweden - Swedes can't even manage their home-turf crime, there is little chance they would die in large numbers like the Ukies. Finns possibly, but they are one depressed bunch at normal times, I can't figure them out...the whole bake-me-in-the-oven lifestyle, heavy drinking, Asiatic language, they are very weird, so I can see them acting like lemmings. They did before.

    Neutrality is not something you do only when in an isolated, safe geography - it is a simple approach to existence by prioritizing life over unnecessary death. Austria was on the front-lines of Cold War and did just fine by being neutral. Ukies made a tragic mistake and now they are paying for it.

    Replies: @LatW

    There is an obvious ranking of superpowers – or just “powers” – and Ukraine would be weaker than Russia no matter what.

    My point was that neutrality, especially in a dangerous kind of an area (Ukraine’s area is more dangerous than that of Sweden or Czech Rep) – it’s a privilege of the strong. If they had built up their own military, RusFed would think twice whether to touch them (they would know ahead of time that it won’t be “Kyiv in 2 days”). As I said, if they had the equivalent of the kind of an army that Finland had all these decades, they would have millions of reserves and their own military industry (which they did have but not in sufficient volumes). I’ve also heard from some Ukrainian insiders that their military and security services where deliberately sabotaged by Russian infiltrators. Of course, they also had a huge 5th column to begin with.

    Finns possibly, but they are one depressed bunch at normal times, I can’t figure them out…

    That’s because you don’t know much about them, you haven’t lived next to them for hundreds of years. They’re a bit enigmatic but not that hard to figure out. Nice, peaceful neighbors.

    Asiatic language

    Uralic. Btw, what’s with your fixation of “Asiatic”? Most Asians are nice, peaceful people.

    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW


    My point was that neutrality, especially in a dangerous kind of an area (Ukraine’s area is more dangerous than that of Sweden or Czech Rep) – it’s a privilege of the strong.
     
    Indeed. In Ukraine's case, neutrality would only be possible on a traditional Swiss model - a well-armed country too dangerous to invade. Ukraine lacks the Alps so in the 21st century this would mean either nukes or a missile and drone arsenal sufficient to lay waste to large areas of any country that would attack her. NATO would probably be better.

    Asiatic language

    Uralic. Btw, what’s with your fixation of “Asiatic”?
     
    Beckow is a racist who periodically projects his racism onto others.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @songbird
    @LatW


    Btw, what’s with your fixation of “Asiatic”
     
    Perhaps, you are confusing Beckow with AP?

    Both have used the word, but one in a different sense than the other.

    Replies: @LatW

  760. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Oh, my old friend Jason! How pleasant to see him again - thank you! He looks (and sounds) like he's doing very well. :)

    I'll have to wait until I make dinner to listen to this - it's 2 hours long (and I have to work right now).

    Yes, I suppose one can argue that philosophy does not have the ability to grasp the "sacred" - but we do come quite close to it in the Kantian aesthetics through the idea of the sublime (this can apply to our idea of God or transcendence).

    "Momentous conversation". :)


    It starts at 2:20 mark and both Jason and the gnostic informant are leaning back with their hands folded below their belt buckle.
     
    It's a slightly meditative pose. :)

    p.s. Love the background tune.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    my old friend Jason

    CIA agents do not have friends. They have accomplices and subjects.

  761. @LatW
    @A123


    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.
     
    Wasn't gonna happen in 2014, much less now.

    Nnobody would've done this willingly after the 2014 intervention (Surkov's malice, the "Northern wind" and Illovaisk, Crimea annexation, hostile rhetoric towards the Ukrainian nationality that started even before 2014 - hugely aggressive acts), much less now. Putin in his ultimatum went even further and demanded disarmament from all of the Eastern Europeans - spat in our faces thinking that he can dictate such things and thought he can demand stuff from the West, thus we have what we have now. But you have a very limited understanding of geopolitics in Eastern Europe - very Trump-like ("I'll solve this with one phone call"... yea, right).

    Btw, what about "enforceable arms limitations" on the Russian side - or does this work only in a one sided way? All animals are equal, but pigs are the most equal, as usual?


    The idea that Russia wants 100% assimilation of all Ukraine simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There is ample evidence that Russia is trying to avoid that outcome.
     
    They want the whole of Ukraine as a "sphere of influence" (entitled thinking) which the Ukrainians do not want to be and have no intention to be.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    I do wonder: Was Putin’s December 2021 ultimatum compatible with huge local Eastern European armies being built (similar to Ukraine’s army right now) with large-scale Western assistance (again, similar to Ukraine right now) even while NATO would have had to withdraw its military infrastructure from this region (albeit not revoke Eastern European countries’ NATO membership itself)? Or would Putin have considered this an unacceptable provocation as well?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Was Putin’s December 2021 ultimatum compatible with huge local Eastern European armies being built (similar to Ukraine’s army right now) with large-scale Western assistance (again, similar to Ukraine right now) even while NATO would have had to withdraw its military infrastructure from this region (albeit not revoke Eastern European countries’ NATO membership itself)?
     
    No.

    And that's the crux of the matter. The whole European security architecture will have to be restructured now (the above will have to be built out finally). The security vacuum will finally be filled.
  762. @AP
    @Beckow


    …Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    Nonsense, Austria is neutral.
     
    Austria was fully integrated economically with the West, not with the East, it neutral only militarily.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.

    Some did, but the dominant majority didn’t, incl. Putin until the last few years.

     

    Putin described the breakup of the USSR as a geopolitical catastrophe. By that, he didn't mean the end of the Communist economic system. It was the loss of Ukraine for Moscow. Neutrality for Ukraine would at best be tolerated as a stepping stone to later integration, as in the case of Belarus.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies’ embrace of it
     
    So you lie. Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn't take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people. Oops.

    NATO was only important because membership in NATO would make union much more difficult if not impossible. But it was secondary to the primary cause - the goal of annexing Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    Austria was fully integrated economically with the West, not with the East, it neutral only militarily.

    Similar to Finland, Sweden, and Switzerland during the Cold War (and in the first two’s case, until the early 2020s; Switzerland is still neutral right now).

  763. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more “cancelled” in the USA.
     
    Are you really so dumb, or just pretend? Virtually everywhere the signs in English are doubled in Spanish: on the ATMs, in stores, etc. Every phone answering service tells you to chose between English and Spanish. Are in current banderite Ukieland the signs in Ukrainian doubled in Russian, or any other language, for that matter?

    Replies: @AP

    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more “cancelled” in the USA.

    Are you really so dumb, or just pretend? Virtually everywhere the signs in English are doubled in Spanish: on the ATMs, in stores, etc. Every phone answering service tells you to chose between English and Spanish.

    But there are no Spanish-language state schools in the USA, yet there are many state language Russian-language primary schools in Ukraine (unless they have shut them down in response to the 2022 invasion, I don’t know).

    In America some places use Spanish largely because there are many Spanish-speakers who do not understand English. In contrast, almost all Russian-speakers in Ukraine understand the Ukrainian language so there is no need for both languages.

    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?

    I thought you are smarter than that. If the West steals (this is the correct word) these assets, it will thereby kill its financial system.

    Because it took assets from a terror state that invaded another country?

    It would mean that places like Iran wouldn’t park their assets in Western banks. Do they? Or that if China decided to invade the Philippines it would, unlike the moronic Russian government, pull its assets out first.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    I know that when my daughter graduated from high school in AZ, there were two commencement addresses at the graduation ceremony, one in English and the other in Spanish. In contrast, banderite Ukieland completely abolished the use of any languages except Ukrainian.

    But the language Nazism of banderite Ukieland is so obvious that only a liar would not see it.


    Because it took assets from a terror state that invaded another country?
     
    That is addressed in comment #774. I can say only this: if the West steals Russian assets, nobody would ever trust their assets to any imperial cocksucker. That's why they are afraid to steal. Besides, the holder of ~190 billion of Russian Central Bank money, Belgian company Euroclear, is against this theft for reasons they explained clearly enough.

    Replies: @AP

  764. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    I do wonder: Was Putin's December 2021 ultimatum compatible with huge local Eastern European armies being built (similar to Ukraine's army right now) with large-scale Western assistance (again, similar to Ukraine right now) even while NATO would have had to withdraw its military infrastructure from this region (albeit not revoke Eastern European countries' NATO membership itself)? Or would Putin have considered this an unacceptable provocation as well?

    Replies: @LatW

    Was Putin’s December 2021 ultimatum compatible with huge local Eastern European armies being built (similar to Ukraine’s army right now) with large-scale Western assistance (again, similar to Ukraine right now) even while NATO would have had to withdraw its military infrastructure from this region (albeit not revoke Eastern European countries’ NATO membership itself)?

    No.

    And that’s the crux of the matter. The whole European security architecture will have to be restructured now (the above will have to be built out finally). The security vacuum will finally be filled.

  765. @LatW
    @Beckow


    There is an obvious ranking of superpowers – or just “powers” – and Ukraine would be weaker than Russia no matter what.
     
    My point was that neutrality, especially in a dangerous kind of an area (Ukraine's area is more dangerous than that of Sweden or Czech Rep) - it's a privilege of the strong. If they had built up their own military, RusFed would think twice whether to touch them (they would know ahead of time that it won't be "Kyiv in 2 days"). As I said, if they had the equivalent of the kind of an army that Finland had all these decades, they would have millions of reserves and their own military industry (which they did have but not in sufficient volumes). I've also heard from some Ukrainian insiders that their military and security services where deliberately sabotaged by Russian infiltrators. Of course, they also had a huge 5th column to begin with.

    Finns possibly, but they are one depressed bunch at normal times, I can’t figure them out…
     
    That's because you don't know much about them, you haven't lived next to them for hundreds of years. They're a bit enigmatic but not that hard to figure out. Nice, peaceful neighbors.

    Asiatic language
     
    Uralic. Btw, what's with your fixation of "Asiatic"? Most Asians are nice, peaceful people.

    Replies: @AP, @songbird

    My point was that neutrality, especially in a dangerous kind of an area (Ukraine’s area is more dangerous than that of Sweden or Czech Rep) – it’s a privilege of the strong.

    Indeed. In Ukraine’s case, neutrality would only be possible on a traditional Swiss model – a well-armed country too dangerous to invade. Ukraine lacks the Alps so in the 21st century this would mean either nukes or a missile and drone arsenal sufficient to lay waste to large areas of any country that would attack her. NATO would probably be better.

    Asiatic language

    Uralic. Btw, what’s with your fixation of “Asiatic”?

    Beckow is a racist who periodically projects his racism onto others.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Indeed. In Ukraine’s case, neutrality would only be possible on a traditional Swiss model – a well-armed country too dangerous to invade. Ukraine lacks the Alps so in the 21st century this would mean either nukes or a missile and drone arsenal sufficient to lay waste to large areas of any country that would attack her. NATO would probably be better.

     

    You know, I wonder which additional countries would have sought nuclear weapons without NATO membership. Poland likely would have. Possibly the Baltics as well, likely as a joint effort, if Poland was unwilling to place the Baltics under its own nuclear umbrella. Romania seems less likely, I think, though the possibility can't be completely ruled out if Romania would have feared Russia reintegrating Ukraine in one way or another and then allying with a revanchist Hungary next door. I don't think that anyone else in Eastern Europe would have sought nuclear weapons in such a scenario, though. For instance, I doubt that Slovaks would have been sufficiently concerned about Magyar revanchism to try building their own nukes, though maybe they'd try to get under the Polish nuclear umbrella in such a scenario.
  766. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?
     
    I thought you are smarter than that. If the West steals (this is the correct word) these assets, it will thereby kill its financial system. I.e., kill the goose that lays golden eggs. Not to mention that by the time the morons find the cojones to steal these assets, there will be no Ukraine neocons and you want.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …If the West steals these assets, it will thereby kill its financial system.

    It will weaken it, but the system will go on. Two other reasons:

    – It gave Russia a carte blanche to repossess the huge Western investments in Russia’s natural resources. Unlike the “financial” assets those are very real.
    – Leverage in any post-war-Ukie settlement – claims for property put against the frozen assets. It is not clean, but it allows for a way-out.

    One can argue that bird in hand is better than two birds in the bush. But if Russia indeed anticipated a few steps ahead, they could do this.

    Russia under-estimated the Western fanatical vehemence in not making a deal. It became self-enforcing -paradoxically it made it easier for Russia to achieve its maximal goals. If anyone told Russia in 2013 that they will get Crimea, Donbas, Azov and more….Ukraine state will effectively collapse with 10’s of millions leaving, Germany will switch from cheap long-term contracts to expensive spot market, Russia will be given an excuse to protect its industries ….all of that handed to Russia on a silver platter.

    Without the Maidan madness none of it would be possible. People miss that when they focus on minutia like 18% vs. 25%…details of no importance.

  767. @LatW
    @A123


    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.
     
    Wasn't gonna happen in 2014, much less now.

    Nnobody would've done this willingly after the 2014 intervention (Surkov's malice, the "Northern wind" and Illovaisk, Crimea annexation, hostile rhetoric towards the Ukrainian nationality that started even before 2014 - hugely aggressive acts), much less now. Putin in his ultimatum went even further and demanded disarmament from all of the Eastern Europeans - spat in our faces thinking that he can dictate such things and thought he can demand stuff from the West, thus we have what we have now. But you have a very limited understanding of geopolitics in Eastern Europe - very Trump-like ("I'll solve this with one phone call"... yea, right).

    Btw, what about "enforceable arms limitations" on the Russian side - or does this work only in a one sided way? All animals are equal, but pigs are the most equal, as usual?


    The idea that Russia wants 100% assimilation of all Ukraine simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There is ample evidence that Russia is trying to avoid that outcome.
     
    They want the whole of Ukraine as a "sphere of influence" (entitled thinking) which the Ukrainians do not want to be and have no intention to be.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.

    Wasn’t gonna happen in 2014, much less now.

    Unilateral Kiev aggression included:

    • Killing Russian ethnics in Donbas
    • Building the Collective Punishment Dam
    • Repudiating the 2015 Minsk deal
    • Walking away from the 2022 deal

    How is it not obvious that any durable arrangement has to prevent Kiev aggression starting this all over again down the line?

    If violent Ukrainian nationalists stock up on offensive war material, you must know they would inevitably restart the fighting. To prevent the existential threat to Russian survival, this risk must be preempted.

    Btw, what about “enforceable arms limitations” on the Russian side – or does this work only in a one sided way?

    I have previously suggested a wide DMZ. This would explicitly impact both sides.

    Limitations on the 4 new Russian oblasts could be a negotiating point. Limiting Kiev offensive potential could balance with fewer defensive forces in the areas that Ukrainian nationalists seek to violate. Russia would wisely demand enough troop strength to stop a Pali/Ukie style October 7 attack.
    ___

    The top two problems right now are; Kiev refusal to negotiate with Putin; And, Abbas/Arafat levels of betrayal by Ukraine. After 2 rounds of bad faith broken deals, Zelensky has near nonexistent credibility.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    Unilateral Kiev aggression included:
     
    What you list there, all took place after 2014. What I listed took place first, before that.

    If violent Ukrainian nationalists
     
    They are not "violent nationalists" but people who defend their country, property and family. I guess some Americans no longer recognize these basic concepts.

    These are real men who will not just lay down and take it. I guess for you that's "violent" - you're projecting your weakness unto others here. You can try to cover the invasion with bombastic language but the world saw the truth.


    To prevent the existential threat to Russian survival, this risk must be preempted.
     
    To prevent any threats of "Russian survival" would've been to limit their own aggression and attempt to live in a friendly way. According to their own advice - "You cannot become someone's friend by force". And not to stir things too much, as they had it quite good (except in Donbas but fixing that didn't require a full scale invasion).

    Limitations on the 4 new Russian oblasts could be a negotiating point.
     
    Those are not "Russian oblasts" but occupied territories belonging to another state. That RusFed put this in their constitution, will only harm RusFed in the long term.

    You didn't answer my question. Are all animals equal, except the very special animals, as usual? The DMZ you propose is very one sided, not enough. Demilitarization of Kenig and other areas of RusFed would be required based on what you insist on to guarantee reciprocity. Don't pretend to be dense. Or maybe you are.

    Replies: @A123

  768. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Who exactly wrote that long quoted part? It sounds reasonably accurate. FWIW, I prefer the EU as a confederation (not a federation) of independent countries who work together in order to achieve mutual goals of theirs and also to achieve greater things together. But I also acknowledge that levels of integration can be increased or decreased depending on political realities. States' rights in the US were much stronger in the past relative to right now, for instance. During the 20th century, federalism in the US was somewhat undermined by a strong and assertive federal government. Similarly, India is a much poorer Hindu version of the EU, but much more tightly integrated, albeit a federation rather than a unitary state.

    Would be cool for European countries to retain their own cultures within the EU, of course.

    Replies: @LatW

    Who exactly wrote that long quoted part? It sounds reasonably accurate.

    [MORE]

    It’s a young conservative I know, he wrote this back in 2015-2016, during the whole Intermarium wave. Obviously a ton has changed since then. He writes in a much more mature manner now (mostly against the woke culture).

    Would be cool for European countries to retain their own cultures within the EU, of course.

    EU countries are first and foremost nation states. It’s not so easy to change that, even if there are attempts to erode it.

    Btw, I’d like to share something with you. Did you know that the grandfather of Putin’s children (Kabaeva’s father, Marat Kabaev) supports Hamas? Understandably so, he’s a Muslim fundamentalist. Just thought I’d run this by you. And apparently, Putin had Navalny killed because he published an expose on Kabaeva. Baby mamas are off limits.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    It’s a young conservative I know, he wrote this back in 2015-2016, during the whole Intermarium wave. Obviously a ton has changed since then. He writes in a much more mature manner now (mostly against the woke culture).

     

    What country is he from?

    EU countries are first and foremost nation states. It’s not so easy to change that, even if there are attempts to erode it.

     

    So is Israel, but over there, there is a debate over how broad the nation should be. Should people with one or two Jewish grandfathers and no Jewish grandmothers be included in the category of the Israeli nation, for instance?

    Btw, I’d like to share something with you. Did you know that the grandfather of Putin’s children (Kabaeva’s father, Marat Kabaev) supports Hamas? Understandably so, he’s a Muslim fundamentalist. Just thought I’d run this by you. And apparently, Putin had Navalny killed because he published an expose on Kabaeva. Baby mamas are off limits.

     

    Putin first tried to kill Navalny back in 2020, no? Via poisoning. Did Navalny already publish this expose by that point in time?
  769. What is German_reader’s theory about these erdststall tunnels, which are common in German regions, but mostly too small for tourists?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdstall

    What about this folk theory that they were built by a race of dwarves?

  770. @A123
    @LatW



    Yes. In addition to No NATO Ever there would have to be verifiable and enforceable arms limitations. These would prevent Ukrainian nationalists from arming up for Round 2.
     
    Wasn’t gonna happen in 2014, much less now.
     
    Unilateral Kiev aggression included:

    • Killing Russian ethnics in Donbas
    • Building the Collective Punishment Dam
    • Repudiating the 2015 Minsk deal
    • Walking away from the 2022 deal

    How is it not obvious that any durable arrangement has to prevent Kiev aggression starting this all over again down the line?

    If violent Ukrainian nationalists stock up on offensive war material, you must know they would inevitably restart the fighting. To prevent the existential threat to Russian survival, this risk must be preempted.

    Btw, what about “enforceable arms limitations” on the Russian side – or does this work only in a one sided way?
     
    I have previously suggested a wide DMZ. This would explicitly impact both sides.

    Limitations on the 4 new Russian oblasts could be a negotiating point. Limiting Kiev offensive potential could balance with fewer defensive forces in the areas that Ukrainian nationalists seek to violate. Russia would wisely demand enough troop strength to stop a Pali/Ukie style October 7 attack.
    ___

    The top two problems right now are; Kiev refusal to negotiate with Putin; And, Abbas/Arafat levels of betrayal by Ukraine. After 2 rounds of bad faith broken deals, Zelensky has near nonexistent credibility.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    Unilateral Kiev aggression included:

    What you list there, all took place after 2014. What I listed took place first, before that.

    If violent Ukrainian nationalists

    They are not “violent nationalists” but people who defend their country, property and family. I guess some Americans no longer recognize these basic concepts.

    These are real men who will not just lay down and take it. I guess for you that’s “violent” – you’re projecting your weakness unto others here. You can try to cover the invasion with bombastic language but the world saw the truth.

    To prevent the existential threat to Russian survival, this risk must be preempted.

    To prevent any threats of “Russian survival” would’ve been to limit their own aggression and attempt to live in a friendly way. According to their own advice – “You cannot become someone’s friend by force”. And not to stir things too much, as they had it quite good (except in Donbas but fixing that didn’t require a full scale invasion).

    Limitations on the 4 new Russian oblasts could be a negotiating point.

    Those are not “Russian oblasts” but occupied territories belonging to another state. That RusFed put this in their constitution, will only harm RusFed in the long term.

    You didn’t answer my question. Are all animals equal, except the very special animals, as usual? The DMZ you propose is very one sided, not enough. Demilitarization of Kenig and other areas of RusFed would be required based on what you insist on to guarantee reciprocity. Don’t pretend to be dense. Or maybe you are.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW

    You are persistent in missing the point... Maybe this will help:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hdQcGzbpN7s

    Remember, the Russians genuinely & sincerely believe they are in an existential fight for survival. Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, a confidant of Putin, is openly talking about the use of nuclear weapons.

    What serious concessions should Kiev make to obtain peace?

    All you keep putting on the table is "Russia must surrender". No matter how you package that, it will never fly. European Empire elites would like Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian. I remain unsure why you desire that outcome.


    You didn’t answer my question. Are all animals equal, except the very special animals, as usual?
     
    I did answer your question but you were wrapped up in self referential NewSpeak and missed it. (Sigh). Perhaps examples & parallels will help.

    Different countries have different concerns and needs:

    • Are land locked Rwanda and Burundi "equal" animals to Ukraine?
    • Do they need to have 100% identical force structure, including navies, to be "equal" to Ukraine?
    • If not, does that not suggest that Russia and Ukraine do not need 100% equivalent force structures to be "equal"?

    I have made the point to QCIC multiple times that bilateral deals with Russia cannot interfere with necessary U.S. arrangements to counter the CCP. Cold War deals that made sense at the time had to go when they became obsolete and/or counterproductive. Similar logic applies here, the other way around.

    Russia is a physically giant country across 11 time zones that has many strategic fronts. A bilateral treaty with Ukraine cannot unduly restrict necessary Russian activities in those other areas. The Black Sea provides Russia its only contiguous, warm water military ports. There will be activity there that has nothing to do with Ukraine.

    If you insist on NewSpeak, such as "DEI Equity" & identical outcomes, you are never going to reach a deal in the harsh reality of actual geopolitics.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

  771. @LatW
    @Beckow


    There is an obvious ranking of superpowers – or just “powers” – and Ukraine would be weaker than Russia no matter what.
     
    My point was that neutrality, especially in a dangerous kind of an area (Ukraine's area is more dangerous than that of Sweden or Czech Rep) - it's a privilege of the strong. If they had built up their own military, RusFed would think twice whether to touch them (they would know ahead of time that it won't be "Kyiv in 2 days"). As I said, if they had the equivalent of the kind of an army that Finland had all these decades, they would have millions of reserves and their own military industry (which they did have but not in sufficient volumes). I've also heard from some Ukrainian insiders that their military and security services where deliberately sabotaged by Russian infiltrators. Of course, they also had a huge 5th column to begin with.

    Finns possibly, but they are one depressed bunch at normal times, I can’t figure them out…
     
    That's because you don't know much about them, you haven't lived next to them for hundreds of years. They're a bit enigmatic but not that hard to figure out. Nice, peaceful neighbors.

    Asiatic language
     
    Uralic. Btw, what's with your fixation of "Asiatic"? Most Asians are nice, peaceful people.

    Replies: @AP, @songbird

    Btw, what’s with your fixation of “Asiatic”

    Perhaps, you are confusing Beckow with AP?

    Both have used the word, but one in a different sense than the other.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Perhaps, you are confusing Beckow with AP?
     
    Haha, I know what Beckow was trying to do - claim that Finns (and partly Balts) are themselves "Asiatic" (even though they consider RusFedians as such). Don't know what he would say about his dear Hungarians - should they move back to the Khanty-Mans region?

    RusFedians are indeed Asiatic, just like in 1940s, as they fill their militaries with downtrodden and exploited Buryats.

    However, I don't like this slur because normal East Asians are much more civilized than some Eastern Euros and most Russians - definitely more civilized and peaceful than your average RusFedian vatnik and definitely smarter and more cultured than your average "Z patriot".

    I mean, compare all that horror to a beautiful, peaceful shinto temple... or those recent kind and calming statements from the former Mongolian foreign affairs minister. Like day and night...

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow, @songbird

  772. @songbird
    @LatW


    Btw, what’s with your fixation of “Asiatic”
     
    Perhaps, you are confusing Beckow with AP?

    Both have used the word, but one in a different sense than the other.

    Replies: @LatW

    Perhaps, you are confusing Beckow with AP?

    Haha, I know what Beckow was trying to do – claim that Finns (and partly Balts) are themselves “Asiatic” (even though they consider RusFedians as such). Don’t know what he would say about his dear Hungarians – should they move back to the Khanty-Mans region?

    RusFedians are indeed Asiatic, just like in 1940s, as they fill their militaries with downtrodden and exploited Buryats.

    However, I don’t like this slur because normal East Asians are much more civilized than some Eastern Euros and most Russians – definitely more civilized and peaceful than your average RusFedian vatnik and definitely smarter and more cultured than your average “Z patriot”.

    I mean, compare all that horror to a beautiful, peaceful shinto temple… or those recent kind and calming statements from the former Mongolian foreign affairs minister. Like day and night…

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    Zhang was notorious for his hobby of splitting the skulls of prisoners with his sword, and for hanging dissidents from telephone poles.[31][7] Despite his negative reputation, however, Zhang was also known to be very sociable, charming and commanded the respect of his troops as well as superiors.[43][9] He was described as being very brave,[7] and as a "warmonger".[44] Waldron argued that Zhang was one of the most talented military leaders among the Chinese warlords, something his critics refused to acknowledge.[32]

    Zhang loved to boast about the size of his penis, which became part of his legend.[31][36] He was a "well-known womanizer"[45] and polygamist.[17] At the height of his power, he had some 30 to 50 concubines of different nationalities, who were given numbers since he could not remember their names nor speak their language. According to the Time, several of his concubines had been forcibly seized from rich families in Shandong.[1] However, some of his concubines stayed with him throughout his career, with him marrying the earliest when he was still a coolie.[17] His concubines included Chinese, Japanese, Russians, Koreans, Mongolians and at least one American.[46][17] According to research by journalist John Gunther, his harem included concubines of 26 different nationalities.[47] Zhang reportedly ate meat of black Chow Chow dogs every day, as it was popularly believed at the time that this meat would boost a man's virility.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zongchang

    Zhang Zongchang was assassinated in 1932. The killer was put in jail for 6 months.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    Finns (and partly Balts) are themselves “Asiatic”
     
    Finns came from Asia. Balts no, I have not seen evidence that they are - not any more than any of us.

    Hungarians – should they move back to the Khanty-Mans region?
     
    Yes. Could they?

    Asiatic is only a slur for the likes of AP and the Ukies who are trying to contrast it to the "Euros." What else would "we are going to Europe" mean? Going from where? And why are they so eager to go? Clearly the Asiat label bothers them.

    The endless racialism of Euros-vs-Russians (the Asiats) is amusing. We are talking about people who are often quite-Asiatic themselves, or something else entirely - I am not sure who are the people around Paris, London, Brussels, but they sure don't look Euro.

    It looks like a projection by people who messed up and are now desperate to hide the mess by aggressively confronting the Asiatic Russians. Projection is always a sign of desperation - why are you guys so worried? It will take decades to play out...at the end the West will be much weaker, but how exactly remains to be seen. That's the fun part - we are watching a rare global transformations. Too bad the Ukies took themselves out in Round 1, they had so much promise...

    Replies: @LatW

    , @songbird
    @LatW


    or those recent kind and calming statements from the former Mongolian foreign affairs minister
     
    Well, Mongolia is a landlocked state inbetween two nuclear powers, and horsepower maximization no longer comes from pasture.

    compare all that horror to a beautiful, peaceful shinto temple
     
    In my way, I'm a Japanophile, but island nations should be peaceful, when there is US hegemony over the seas and bases on their soil.

    I once suggested that that it would be really cool if someone made a movie with thousands of ghost noses coming out from this monument:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimizuka
  773. @LatW
    @songbird


    Perhaps, you are confusing Beckow with AP?
     
    Haha, I know what Beckow was trying to do - claim that Finns (and partly Balts) are themselves "Asiatic" (even though they consider RusFedians as such). Don't know what he would say about his dear Hungarians - should they move back to the Khanty-Mans region?

    RusFedians are indeed Asiatic, just like in 1940s, as they fill their militaries with downtrodden and exploited Buryats.

    However, I don't like this slur because normal East Asians are much more civilized than some Eastern Euros and most Russians - definitely more civilized and peaceful than your average RusFedian vatnik and definitely smarter and more cultured than your average "Z patriot".

    I mean, compare all that horror to a beautiful, peaceful shinto temple... or those recent kind and calming statements from the former Mongolian foreign affairs minister. Like day and night...

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow, @songbird

    Zhang was notorious for his hobby of splitting the skulls of prisoners with his sword, and for hanging dissidents from telephone poles.[31][7] Despite his negative reputation, however, Zhang was also known to be very sociable, charming and commanded the respect of his troops as well as superiors.[43][9] He was described as being very brave,[7] and as a “warmonger”.[44] Waldron argued that Zhang was one of the most talented military leaders among the Chinese warlords, something his critics refused to acknowledge.[32]

    Zhang loved to boast about the size of his penis, which became part of his legend.[31][36] He was a “well-known womanizer”[45] and polygamist.[17] At the height of his power, he had some 30 to 50 concubines of different nationalities, who were given numbers since he could not remember their names nor speak their language. According to the Time, several of his concubines had been forcibly seized from rich families in Shandong.[1] However, some of his concubines stayed with him throughout his career, with him marrying the earliest when he was still a coolie.[17] His concubines included Chinese, Japanese, Russians, Koreans, Mongolians and at least one American.[46][17] According to research by journalist John Gunther, his harem included concubines of 26 different nationalities.[47] Zhang reportedly ate meat of black Chow Chow dogs every day, as it was popularly believed at the time that this meat would boost a man’s virility.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zongchang

    Zhang Zongchang was assassinated in 1932. The killer was put in jail for 6 months.

    • LOL: LatW
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    He puts Asian male nerds to shame lol!

    The Chad Asian Jock vs. the Virgin Asian Nerd.

  774. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    It is possible that Putin&Co. understand that for Russia’s domestic tranquility reasons they have to appear reluctant and peaceful – being pushed by the Russian public opinion into a big war with no restraints, and not moving too early.
     
    Maybe I am spoiled by 30+ years in the US, but I think the reasons are a lot more prosaic. So prosaic that even Westies can understand: in contrast to Western elites and their figureheads, Putin tends to see several moves ahead. He needed time to prepare Russian economy for sanctions he foresaw, and he made a move as soon as it was prepared. The fact that it grows today faster than any economy of note on the imperial patch supports this hypothesis. It’s still a hypothesis, though.

    I think gradual building up of popular demand for action was also a factor he took into account: in contrast to “democratic” leaders, he follows the desires of the populace.

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC

    Yes.

    Putin’s government was doing these tasks since 2015:

    — Preparing Russia financially,
    — Preparing militarily; first nuclear forces, then conventional,
    — Hardening public opinion against a Western propaganda barrage,
    — Diversifying the economy to prepare for the loss of Western economic and cultural ties.

    Progress on all tasks was gradual. Which suggests another preparation:

    — Fighting internal Russian political battles against factions and forces who were either supporting the Western Ukrainian project or were hoping to capitalize on internal turmoil in the Kremlin related to fighting the SMO.

  775. @LatW
    @songbird


    Perhaps, you are confusing Beckow with AP?
     
    Haha, I know what Beckow was trying to do - claim that Finns (and partly Balts) are themselves "Asiatic" (even though they consider RusFedians as such). Don't know what he would say about his dear Hungarians - should they move back to the Khanty-Mans region?

    RusFedians are indeed Asiatic, just like in 1940s, as they fill their militaries with downtrodden and exploited Buryats.

    However, I don't like this slur because normal East Asians are much more civilized than some Eastern Euros and most Russians - definitely more civilized and peaceful than your average RusFedian vatnik and definitely smarter and more cultured than your average "Z patriot".

    I mean, compare all that horror to a beautiful, peaceful shinto temple... or those recent kind and calming statements from the former Mongolian foreign affairs minister. Like day and night...

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow, @songbird

    Finns (and partly Balts) are themselves “Asiatic”

    Finns came from Asia. Balts no, I have not seen evidence that they are – not any more than any of us.

    Hungarians – should they move back to the Khanty-Mans region?

    Yes. Could they?

    Asiatic is only a slur for the likes of AP and the Ukies who are trying to contrast it to the “Euros.” What else would “we are going to Europe” mean? Going from where? And why are they so eager to go? Clearly the Asiat label bothers them.

    The endless racialism of Euros-vs-Russians (the Asiats) is amusing. We are talking about people who are often quite-Asiatic themselves, or something else entirely – I am not sure who are the people around Paris, London, Brussels, but they sure don’t look Euro.

    It looks like a projection by people who messed up and are now desperate to hide the mess by aggressively confronting the Asiatic Russians. Projection is always a sign of desperation – why are you guys so worried? It will take decades to play out…at the end the West will be much weaker, but how exactly remains to be seen. That’s the fun part – we are watching a rare global transformations. Too bad the Ukies took themselves out in Round 1, they had so much promise…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow

    None of this changes the fact that RusFed is part Asiatic, both racially and politically. And getting more so.

    But it is not becoming more like Asia - not like the more developed and mellow countries there.

    Replies: @Beckow

  776. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Who exactly wrote that long quoted part? It sounds reasonably accurate.
     

    It's a young conservative I know, he wrote this back in 2015-2016, during the whole Intermarium wave. Obviously a ton has changed since then. He writes in a much more mature manner now (mostly against the woke culture).

    Would be cool for European countries to retain their own cultures within the EU, of course.
     
    EU countries are first and foremost nation states. It's not so easy to change that, even if there are attempts to erode it.

    Btw, I'd like to share something with you. Did you know that the grandfather of Putin's children (Kabaeva's father, Marat Kabaev) supports Hamas? Understandably so, he's a Muslim fundamentalist. Just thought I'd run this by you. And apparently, Putin had Navalny killed because he published an expose on Kabaeva. Baby mamas are off limits.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    It’s a young conservative I know, he wrote this back in 2015-2016, during the whole Intermarium wave. Obviously a ton has changed since then. He writes in a much more mature manner now (mostly against the woke culture).

    What country is he from?

    EU countries are first and foremost nation states. It’s not so easy to change that, even if there are attempts to erode it.

    So is Israel, but over there, there is a debate over how broad the nation should be. Should people with one or two Jewish grandfathers and no Jewish grandmothers be included in the category of the Israeli nation, for instance?

    Btw, I’d like to share something with you. Did you know that the grandfather of Putin’s children (Kabaeva’s father, Marat Kabaev) supports Hamas? Understandably so, he’s a Muslim fundamentalist. Just thought I’d run this by you. And apparently, Putin had Navalny killed because he published an expose on Kabaeva. Baby mamas are off limits.

    Putin first tried to kill Navalny back in 2020, no? Via poisoning. Did Navalny already publish this expose by that point in time?

  777. @LatW
    @songbird


    Perhaps, you are confusing Beckow with AP?
     
    Haha, I know what Beckow was trying to do - claim that Finns (and partly Balts) are themselves "Asiatic" (even though they consider RusFedians as such). Don't know what he would say about his dear Hungarians - should they move back to the Khanty-Mans region?

    RusFedians are indeed Asiatic, just like in 1940s, as they fill their militaries with downtrodden and exploited Buryats.

    However, I don't like this slur because normal East Asians are much more civilized than some Eastern Euros and most Russians - definitely more civilized and peaceful than your average RusFedian vatnik and definitely smarter and more cultured than your average "Z patriot".

    I mean, compare all that horror to a beautiful, peaceful shinto temple... or those recent kind and calming statements from the former Mongolian foreign affairs minister. Like day and night...

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow, @songbird

    or those recent kind and calming statements from the former Mongolian foreign affairs minister

    Well, Mongolia is a landlocked state inbetween two nuclear powers, and horsepower maximization no longer comes from pasture.

    compare all that horror to a beautiful, peaceful shinto temple

    In my way, I’m a Japanophile, but island nations should be peaceful, when there is US hegemony over the seas and bases on their soil.

    I once suggested that that it would be really cool if someone made a movie with thousands of ghost noses coming out from this monument:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimizuka

  778. @AP
    @LatW


    My point was that neutrality, especially in a dangerous kind of an area (Ukraine’s area is more dangerous than that of Sweden or Czech Rep) – it’s a privilege of the strong.
     
    Indeed. In Ukraine's case, neutrality would only be possible on a traditional Swiss model - a well-armed country too dangerous to invade. Ukraine lacks the Alps so in the 21st century this would mean either nukes or a missile and drone arsenal sufficient to lay waste to large areas of any country that would attack her. NATO would probably be better.

    Asiatic language

    Uralic. Btw, what’s with your fixation of “Asiatic”?
     
    Beckow is a racist who periodically projects his racism onto others.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Indeed. In Ukraine’s case, neutrality would only be possible on a traditional Swiss model – a well-armed country too dangerous to invade. Ukraine lacks the Alps so in the 21st century this would mean either nukes or a missile and drone arsenal sufficient to lay waste to large areas of any country that would attack her. NATO would probably be better.

    You know, I wonder which additional countries would have sought nuclear weapons without NATO membership. Poland likely would have. Possibly the Baltics as well, likely as a joint effort, if Poland was unwilling to place the Baltics under its own nuclear umbrella. Romania seems less likely, I think, though the possibility can’t be completely ruled out if Romania would have feared Russia reintegrating Ukraine in one way or another and then allying with a revanchist Hungary next door. I don’t think that anyone else in Eastern Europe would have sought nuclear weapons in such a scenario, though. For instance, I doubt that Slovaks would have been sufficiently concerned about Magyar revanchism to try building their own nukes, though maybe they’d try to get under the Polish nuclear umbrella in such a scenario.

  779. @Beckow
    @LatW


    Finns (and partly Balts) are themselves “Asiatic”
     
    Finns came from Asia. Balts no, I have not seen evidence that they are - not any more than any of us.

    Hungarians – should they move back to the Khanty-Mans region?
     
    Yes. Could they?

    Asiatic is only a slur for the likes of AP and the Ukies who are trying to contrast it to the "Euros." What else would "we are going to Europe" mean? Going from where? And why are they so eager to go? Clearly the Asiat label bothers them.

    The endless racialism of Euros-vs-Russians (the Asiats) is amusing. We are talking about people who are often quite-Asiatic themselves, or something else entirely - I am not sure who are the people around Paris, London, Brussels, but they sure don't look Euro.

    It looks like a projection by people who messed up and are now desperate to hide the mess by aggressively confronting the Asiatic Russians. Projection is always a sign of desperation - why are you guys so worried? It will take decades to play out...at the end the West will be much weaker, but how exactly remains to be seen. That's the fun part - we are watching a rare global transformations. Too bad the Ukies took themselves out in Round 1, they had so much promise...

    Replies: @LatW

    None of this changes the fact that RusFed is part Asiatic, both racially and politically. And getting more so.

    But it is not becoming more like Asia – not like the more developed and mellow countries there.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...more like Asia – not like the more developed and mellow countries there.
     
    Which ones?

    Japan murdered tens of millions in WW2. Korea? Vietnam?
    Or Indonesia - 1 million murdered by their military in 1960's...Cambodia?

    I am struggling, maybe Mongols? Or China? We can find almost anything we want in the Chinese history...but mellow and peaceful, not so much. Only occasionally.

    India-Pakistan, what a peaceful relationship to boast about, isn't it? Sri Lanka? Look up what they did to their Tamil rebels...ouch.

    So which ones? Let's keep on looking. But it looks like Asians are as bloody as Euros...

    Replies: @LatW

  780. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    Zhang was notorious for his hobby of splitting the skulls of prisoners with his sword, and for hanging dissidents from telephone poles.[31][7] Despite his negative reputation, however, Zhang was also known to be very sociable, charming and commanded the respect of his troops as well as superiors.[43][9] He was described as being very brave,[7] and as a "warmonger".[44] Waldron argued that Zhang was one of the most talented military leaders among the Chinese warlords, something his critics refused to acknowledge.[32]

    Zhang loved to boast about the size of his penis, which became part of his legend.[31][36] He was a "well-known womanizer"[45] and polygamist.[17] At the height of his power, he had some 30 to 50 concubines of different nationalities, who were given numbers since he could not remember their names nor speak their language. According to the Time, several of his concubines had been forcibly seized from rich families in Shandong.[1] However, some of his concubines stayed with him throughout his career, with him marrying the earliest when he was still a coolie.[17] His concubines included Chinese, Japanese, Russians, Koreans, Mongolians and at least one American.[46][17] According to research by journalist John Gunther, his harem included concubines of 26 different nationalities.[47] Zhang reportedly ate meat of black Chow Chow dogs every day, as it was popularly believed at the time that this meat would boost a man's virility.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zongchang

    Zhang Zongchang was assassinated in 1932. The killer was put in jail for 6 months.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    He puts Asian male nerds to shame lol!

    The Chad Asian Jock vs. the Virgin Asian Nerd.

  781. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    You are hallucinating…without Nato there would be no war. Even as late as January 2022 if Nato leaders or Zelko said that Ukraine changed its mind and will not be joining Nato the war would be prevented.

     

    Not sure about that, especially if the West would have still insisted on engaging in military cooperation with Ukraine and arming Ukraine. Are you sure that Putin would have tolerated this without Ukrainian NATO membership?

    Replies: @Beckow

    …if the West would have still insisted on engaging in military cooperation with Ukraine and arming Ukraine.

    If Biden or Zelko (or both) came out in January 2022 and said that “there are no plans for Nato to accept Ukraine and Ukraine has no intention of joining Nato” it would prevent the war. Russia said so at that time – there would be lengthy, hard negotiations about the details – how many arms and where, nature of “cooperation”, etc… – but there would almost certainly be no war. Maybe later if the talks would fail.

    If you think that Russia always wanted to take over Ukraine – as AP claims – that was the way to prevent it. By saying it is “none of Russia’s business” and “Ukraine will join Nato” the war became inevitable and with it the possible realization of what you claim was the real Russia’s goal: annexation of Ukraine.

    It was played very badly by both Kiev and the West. They screwed up. If you are the weaker military party you should do the utmost to prevent a war. Kiev-Nato did the opposite and now they are sorry. Play it out in your mind how much better off would Kiev be if they kept their mouth shut and didn’t brazenly provoke the war…

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Russia did have designs to integrate Ukraine: That's what the CIS, SES, and EEU were for. It simply initially hoped to do so peacefully, without destroying its relations with the West in the process.

    Anyway, it could have indeed made sense on the West's part to say that they won't accept countries with active territorial disputes into NATO without formally abandoning NATO's open door policy (so, Finland, Sweden, et cetera would have no obstacles to their NATO membership). Something like a commitment to remove its infrastructure from Eastern Europe could have been reasonable as well but only if Russia would have engaged in arms limitations of its own within its own territory, such as removing its nuclear missiles from Kaliningrad. And in exchange for all of this, such as having the US withdraw all of its troops from the Baltics, Poland, et cetera, NATO would insist on major concessions from Russia in regards to China, such as ending or at least massively scaling back the level of Russo-Chinese military cooperation and possibly Russo-Chinese trade of vital materials such as oil as well, at least in the event of a future war between China and the US and/or one or more US allies. Would Russia actually be interested in all of that?

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer

  782. @LatW
    @A123


    Unilateral Kiev aggression included:
     
    What you list there, all took place after 2014. What I listed took place first, before that.

    If violent Ukrainian nationalists
     
    They are not "violent nationalists" but people who defend their country, property and family. I guess some Americans no longer recognize these basic concepts.

    These are real men who will not just lay down and take it. I guess for you that's "violent" - you're projecting your weakness unto others here. You can try to cover the invasion with bombastic language but the world saw the truth.


    To prevent the existential threat to Russian survival, this risk must be preempted.
     
    To prevent any threats of "Russian survival" would've been to limit their own aggression and attempt to live in a friendly way. According to their own advice - "You cannot become someone's friend by force". And not to stir things too much, as they had it quite good (except in Donbas but fixing that didn't require a full scale invasion).

    Limitations on the 4 new Russian oblasts could be a negotiating point.
     
    Those are not "Russian oblasts" but occupied territories belonging to another state. That RusFed put this in their constitution, will only harm RusFed in the long term.

    You didn't answer my question. Are all animals equal, except the very special animals, as usual? The DMZ you propose is very one sided, not enough. Demilitarization of Kenig and other areas of RusFed would be required based on what you insist on to guarantee reciprocity. Don't pretend to be dense. Or maybe you are.

    Replies: @A123

    You are persistent in missing the point… Maybe this will help:

    Remember, the Russians genuinely & sincerely believe they are in an existential fight for survival. Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, a confidant of Putin, is openly talking about the use of nuclear weapons.

    What serious concessions should Kiev make to obtain peace?

    All you keep putting on the table is “Russia must surrender”. No matter how you package that, it will never fly. European Empire elites would like Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian. I remain unsure why you desire that outcome.

    You didn’t answer my question. Are all animals equal, except the very special animals, as usual?

    I did answer your question but you were wrapped up in self referential NewSpeak and missed it. (Sigh). Perhaps examples & parallels will help.

    Different countries have different concerns and needs:

    • Are land locked Rwanda and Burundi “equal” animals to Ukraine?
    • Do they need to have 100% identical force structure, including navies, to be “equal” to Ukraine?
    • If not, does that not suggest that Russia and Ukraine do not need 100% equivalent force structures to be “equal”?

    I have made the point to QCIC multiple times that bilateral deals with Russia cannot interfere with necessary U.S. arrangements to counter the CCP. Cold War deals that made sense at the time had to go when they became obsolete and/or counterproductive. Similar logic applies here, the other way around.

    Russia is a physically giant country across 11 time zones that has many strategic fronts. A bilateral treaty with Ukraine cannot unduly restrict necessary Russian activities in those other areas. The Black Sea provides Russia its only contiguous, warm water military ports. There will be activity there that has nothing to do with Ukraine.

    If you insist on NewSpeak, such as “DEI Equity” & identical outcomes, you are never going to reach a deal in the harsh reality of actual geopolitics.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    Remember, the Russians genuinely & sincerely believe they are in an existential fight for survival.
     
    So in December 2021, when Putin issued an ultimatum to Washington (and all of NATO) - were they in an existential fight for survival then as well?

    such as “DEI Equity” & identical outcomes
     
    How does this nonsense have anything to do with what I said...?

    Replies: @A123

    , @QCIC
    @A123

    I understand your point about bilateral deals and the CCP and I think you are mistaken. You are underestimating the importance of "good faith" in these USA-Russia deals rated to nuclear weapons. The USA could have moved beyond the legacy agreements and treaties from the cold war in a respectful manner. They chose not to do this since they wanted to take down Russia as the first step. This was very foolish and amateurish.

    Good faith is supremely important in these dealings because reliable verification is almost impossible. Good faith includes bilateral exchanges, inspections, technical sharing and other things which reduce the likelihood of conflict. Respect for existing treaties is part of this. NATO expansion and installation of nuclear-capable missile sites in Eastern Europe represent the opposite of good faith.

    I like the Ferengi clip. I wonder if the early-1990's was the period when peace was the least expensive? Chinese GDP was still very low so it would have been an ideal time to make multilateral agreements. Instead of pursuing peace, the West expanded NATO. Great job, morons.

    Replies: @A123

  783. • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Kabbadi.

    American Farmers speak up for Sikhs:


    https://twitter.com/JessKaurr_/status/1760015396651053311


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R-sR6ziXhLY

    ਅਕਾਲ

  784. @A123
    @LatW

    You are persistent in missing the point... Maybe this will help:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hdQcGzbpN7s

    Remember, the Russians genuinely & sincerely believe they are in an existential fight for survival. Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, a confidant of Putin, is openly talking about the use of nuclear weapons.

    What serious concessions should Kiev make to obtain peace?

    All you keep putting on the table is "Russia must surrender". No matter how you package that, it will never fly. European Empire elites would like Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian. I remain unsure why you desire that outcome.


    You didn’t answer my question. Are all animals equal, except the very special animals, as usual?
     
    I did answer your question but you were wrapped up in self referential NewSpeak and missed it. (Sigh). Perhaps examples & parallels will help.

    Different countries have different concerns and needs:

    • Are land locked Rwanda and Burundi "equal" animals to Ukraine?
    • Do they need to have 100% identical force structure, including navies, to be "equal" to Ukraine?
    • If not, does that not suggest that Russia and Ukraine do not need 100% equivalent force structures to be "equal"?

    I have made the point to QCIC multiple times that bilateral deals with Russia cannot interfere with necessary U.S. arrangements to counter the CCP. Cold War deals that made sense at the time had to go when they became obsolete and/or counterproductive. Similar logic applies here, the other way around.

    Russia is a physically giant country across 11 time zones that has many strategic fronts. A bilateral treaty with Ukraine cannot unduly restrict necessary Russian activities in those other areas. The Black Sea provides Russia its only contiguous, warm water military ports. There will be activity there that has nothing to do with Ukraine.

    If you insist on NewSpeak, such as "DEI Equity" & identical outcomes, you are never going to reach a deal in the harsh reality of actual geopolitics.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

    Remember, the Russians genuinely & sincerely believe they are in an existential fight for survival.

    So in December 2021, when Putin issued an ultimatum to Washington (and all of NATO) – were they in an existential fight for survival then as well?

    such as “DEI Equity” & identical outcomes

    How does this nonsense have anything to do with what I said…?

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW



    “DEI Equity” & identical outcomes
     
    How does this nonsense have anything to do with what I said…?
     
    It was part of my answer about your incomprehensible NewSpeak demand to address the vaguely defined question, "Are all animals equal"? Apparently you missed the point, again.

    Everyone notices that you ducked the critical, on point questions that I posed. Let repeat them for you:

    • Are land locked Rwanda and Burundi “equal” animals to Ukraine?
    • Do they need to have 100% identical force structure, including navies, to be “equal” to Ukraine?
    • If not, does that not suggest that Russia and Ukraine do not need 100% equivalent force structures to be “equal”?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

  785. Avdeevka Military Sitrep – How the Collapse & Rout of Kiev Forces Occurred, the Political Fallout in Kiev, What’s Next for Russian Forces in Ukraine, Kiev Forces Using US Chemical Weapons, more…
    https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/avdeevka-military-sitrep-how-the?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

  786. @LatW
    @A123


    Remember, the Russians genuinely & sincerely believe they are in an existential fight for survival.
     
    So in December 2021, when Putin issued an ultimatum to Washington (and all of NATO) - were they in an existential fight for survival then as well?

    such as “DEI Equity” & identical outcomes
     
    How does this nonsense have anything to do with what I said...?

    Replies: @A123

    “DEI Equity” & identical outcomes

    How does this nonsense have anything to do with what I said…?

    It was part of my answer about your incomprehensible NewSpeak demand to address the vaguely defined question, “Are all animals equal“? Apparently you missed the point, again.

    Everyone notices that you ducked the critical, on point questions that I posed. Let repeat them for you:

    • Are land locked Rwanda and Burundi “equal” animals to Ukraine?
    • Do they need to have 100% identical force structure, including navies, to be “equal” to Ukraine?
    • If not, does that not suggest that Russia and Ukraine do not need 100% equivalent force structures to be “equal”?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123

    Look, you were suggesting, in the very beginning, that RusFed not only keep their current "conquests" (as Putin called them), but that Ukraine be disarmed on top of that (right after major crimes were committed against their population!). This is typically a complete capitulation scenario.

    I brought up the "equal animals" part to show that everyone in the region needs to have security guarantees, for anything to be sustainable, if not, then it will remain a force scenario.

    I'm curious as to why you say this is an "existential struggle" for the Russian Federation. How so? Was this an "existential struggle" for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  787. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Lvov founded by a Russian
     
    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    Lviv's founder King Daniel was the son of a Byzantine Princess and a Volhynian prince (Roman). Roman's father was a Volhynian prince and his other was Polish.

    Daniel of Galicia accepted a crown from the Pope.

    He was also the last legitimate (pre-Mongol) ruler of Kiev.

    The Russian historian Vernadsky contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia.

    Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland
     
    Sovok civil "engineer" bad at math again.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn't over 2 million by 1939

    And Stalin deported 100,000s of those Poles in Eastern Galicia to Russia or Central Asia in 1939-1941, so there were far fewer left when most of the remaining ones were deported to Poland.

    Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists
     
    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region. They moved to another part of the same region they were native to. They were no more colonists than Finns moving west from Vyborg to Fin-controlled territories were colonists.

    At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too
     
    They certainly were not native to those regions, they were outsiders. I'm not sure that they could be characterized as colonists. Were they sent there to cement Soviet authority in those lands and/or help administer the Soviet administration?

    Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists?
     
    If they moved to Estonia as part of Soviet efforts in order to strengthen and promote Soviet rule there they would be colonists. Otherwise, no.

    Lvov the city- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries
     
    They were consistently about 15%-20% of the population. They owned a palace on the central square:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/10_Market_Square%2C_Lviv_%2810%29.jpg/731px-10_Market_Square%2C_Lviv_%2810%29.jpg?20150908210249

    and their mother Church was a large beautiful building on a hilltop in the city.

    https://find-way.com.ua/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_DJI_0594.jpg

    My family had nice lives in Lviv since arriving in the late 19th century/early 20th century.

    Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?
     
    Someone moving from a village to the regional capital is not a colonist. You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    Galicia, because of khokholisation is the most artificially, ethnically-constructed place on the planet
     
    Galicia and Volhynia are less rootless than any other East Slavic lands, due to having been spared the horrors of Bolshevism and its radical social experiments and cultural destruction from 1918-1945 (1939-1941 were still somewhat lackluster). But unlike Volhynia, Galicia achieved a higher level of development under the benevolent Hapsburgs, with full literacy of students in their own language, mass political participation, etc. Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs, they highlight your own inferiority. Thus your bitterness. Cry more.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    Thanks, very interesting!

    I’ve got an almost-100-page book about Galicia (Austrian Poland) from the WWI era for you:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.39000004105909&seq=5

    It was apparently made by the British Foreign Office in preparation for the Paris Peace Conference in 1919.

    Such books from the very same time also exist for an extremely massive amount of other regions. You can see the other books here:

    https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Great%20Britain%2E%20Foreign%20Office%2E%20Historical%20Section

    The other books were also made by the British Foreign Office.

    Really, the World War I era was a golden age for Western research about Europe and the Middle East. Back then, Western researchers and academics were eager to consolidate their knowledge about various territories in Europe and the Middle East and share their research with Western policymakers so that Western policymakers could craft as optimal of a post-WWI peace settlement as possible.

  788. @LatW
    @Beckow

    None of this changes the fact that RusFed is part Asiatic, both racially and politically. And getting more so.

    But it is not becoming more like Asia - not like the more developed and mellow countries there.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …more like Asia – not like the more developed and mellow countries there.

    Which ones?

    Japan murdered tens of millions in WW2. Korea? Vietnam?
    Or Indonesia – 1 million murdered by their military in 1960’s…Cambodia?

    I am struggling, maybe Mongols? Or China? We can find almost anything we want in the Chinese history…but mellow and peaceful, not so much. Only occasionally.

    India-Pakistan, what a peaceful relationship to boast about, isn’t it? Sri Lanka? Look up what they did to their Tamil rebels…ouch.

    So which ones? Let’s keep on looking. But it looks like Asians are as bloody as Euros…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    So which ones? Let’s keep on looking. But it looks like Asians are as bloody as Euros…
     
    I was talking about the outset of the 21st century. Now that Pandora's box has been opened, who knows...
  789. @A123
    @LatW



    “DEI Equity” & identical outcomes
     
    How does this nonsense have anything to do with what I said…?
     
    It was part of my answer about your incomprehensible NewSpeak demand to address the vaguely defined question, "Are all animals equal"? Apparently you missed the point, again.

    Everyone notices that you ducked the critical, on point questions that I posed. Let repeat them for you:

    • Are land locked Rwanda and Burundi “equal” animals to Ukraine?
    • Do they need to have 100% identical force structure, including navies, to be “equal” to Ukraine?
    • If not, does that not suggest that Russia and Ukraine do not need 100% equivalent force structures to be “equal”?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    Look, you were suggesting, in the very beginning, that RusFed not only keep their current “conquests” (as Putin called them), but that Ukraine be disarmed on top of that (right after major crimes were committed against their population!). This is typically a complete capitulation scenario.

    I brought up the “equal animals” part to show that everyone in the region needs to have security guarantees, for anything to be sustainable, if not, then it will remain a force scenario.

    I’m curious as to why you say this is an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation. How so? Was this an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Was this an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?
     
    The way they saw it was that Nato was moving to Ukraine and the Ukies were ruled by a hostile Russia-hating government - and even many Ukies were like that. That is "existential".

    Was it true? They believed it. That's all that matters, we don't decide for them.

    After 2 years of war, Ukies and Nato showed that Russia suspected it correctly: Merkel-Hollande boasting about how they "tricked Russia", Nato's full commitment to the war on Russia, many Ukies fighting to the last..it is now more existential.


    ...This is typically a complete capitulation scenario.
     
    Right, it looks like Russia will insist. Kiev's best shot now is that the Ukie army over-performs, maybe some magical new weapons, great courage, luck...if not they will eventually have to capitulate.

    Life is not that complex, this was entirely predictable. But Nato and Kiev wanted something else so they are fighting desperately to prevent the inevitable. It has been done before in history - usually people feel pretty stupid about it afterwards, the surviving Ukies will too...but Nato no, they will just move on.

    Replies: @AP

    , @A123
    @LatW


    I brought up the “equal animals” part to show that everyone in the region needs to have security guarantees, for anything to be sustainable, if not, then it will remain a force scenario.
     
    That was unclear from your use of the NewSpeak phrase "equal animals". Though "security guarantee" is also a staggeringly vague term. What does that actually mean? What is needed as a "security guarantee"?

    Given the necessity of preventing Kiev aggression from restarting the fighting. It cannot translate to an offensive force allowing Ukranian nationalists to first strike Russia.

    A wide DMZ prevents accidental starts. Primarily this will be along the new line. If specific limits are desired (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) that could be brought to the negotiating table.

    Russia would rather have a cold peace with a sane neighbor rather than a failed state. They see that 2nd hand on the Syria-Lebanon border. The key is stopping Kiev provocations. This includes unofficial actors launching Pali/Ukie style October 7 incursions.


    I’m curious as to why you say this is an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation. How so?
     
    You badly misrepresent my position. what I stated was:

    Russian leadership believes they are in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have to accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.

    Whether you or I would score their position that way is irrelevant. The decision makers in Russia believe in the existential nature of the threat. That is what matters. The fact that Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is openly talking about using nuclear weapons pointedly clarifies current thinking of Russian leadership.


    Was this an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?
     
    It was headed that way or already was. Years of Kiev aggression against Russian ethnics had taken its toll.

    If you are trying to find a specific second, in a specific minute, in a specific hour, in a specific day, in a specific week... You are asking an effectively meaningless question. There is no "magic second" that historians will agree on. It comes across as if you are fishing for something, and your bait is not being taken.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

  790. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...more like Asia – not like the more developed and mellow countries there.
     
    Which ones?

    Japan murdered tens of millions in WW2. Korea? Vietnam?
    Or Indonesia - 1 million murdered by their military in 1960's...Cambodia?

    I am struggling, maybe Mongols? Or China? We can find almost anything we want in the Chinese history...but mellow and peaceful, not so much. Only occasionally.

    India-Pakistan, what a peaceful relationship to boast about, isn't it? Sri Lanka? Look up what they did to their Tamil rebels...ouch.

    So which ones? Let's keep on looking. But it looks like Asians are as bloody as Euros...

    Replies: @LatW

    So which ones? Let’s keep on looking. But it looks like Asians are as bloody as Euros…

    I was talking about the outset of the 21st century. Now that Pandora’s box has been opened, who knows…

  791. @LatW
    @A123

    Look, you were suggesting, in the very beginning, that RusFed not only keep their current "conquests" (as Putin called them), but that Ukraine be disarmed on top of that (right after major crimes were committed against their population!). This is typically a complete capitulation scenario.

    I brought up the "equal animals" part to show that everyone in the region needs to have security guarantees, for anything to be sustainable, if not, then it will remain a force scenario.

    I'm curious as to why you say this is an "existential struggle" for the Russian Federation. How so? Was this an "existential struggle" for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …Was this an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?

    The way they saw it was that Nato was moving to Ukraine and the Ukies were ruled by a hostile Russia-hating government – and even many Ukies were like that. That is “existential”.

    Was it true? They believed it. That’s all that matters, we don’t decide for them.

    After 2 years of war, Ukies and Nato showed that Russia suspected it correctly: Merkel-Hollande boasting about how they “tricked Russia”, Nato’s full commitment to the war on Russia, many Ukies fighting to the last..it is now more existential.

    …This is typically a complete capitulation scenario.

    Right, it looks like Russia will insist. Kiev’s best shot now is that the Ukie army over-performs, maybe some magical new weapons, great courage, luck…if not they will eventually have to capitulate.

    Life is not that complex, this was entirely predictable. But Nato and Kiev wanted something else so they are fighting desperately to prevent the inevitable. It has been done before in history – usually people feel pretty stupid about it afterwards, the surviving Ukies will too…but Nato no, they will just move on.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    The way they saw it was that Nato was moving to Ukraine and the Ukies were ruled by a hostile Russia-hating government – and even many Ukies were like that. That is “existential”.

    Was it true? They believed it.
     

    Who believed it? The political elite? Lol.

    Do you also believe that in 2002-2003 the American elite truly believed that Saddam Hussein was an existential threat to the USA, that he was on the verge of obtaining nukes, and that he was working with bin Laden?

    This is the type of idiocy they put on TV to gain support (or lesson resistance) among low-information masses to their adventures. Ensnaring gullible, and/or self-hating Westerners is a bonus.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  792. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...if the West would have still insisted on engaging in military cooperation with Ukraine and arming Ukraine.
     
    If Biden or Zelko (or both) came out in January 2022 and said that "there are no plans for Nato to accept Ukraine and Ukraine has no intention of joining Nato" it would prevent the war. Russia said so at that time - there would be lengthy, hard negotiations about the details - how many arms and where, nature of "cooperation", etc... - but there would almost certainly be no war. Maybe later if the talks would fail.

    If you think that Russia always wanted to take over Ukraine - as AP claims - that was the way to prevent it. By saying it is "none of Russia's business" and "Ukraine will join Nato" the war became inevitable and with it the possible realization of what you claim was the real Russia's goal: annexation of Ukraine.

    It was played very badly by both Kiev and the West. They screwed up. If you are the weaker military party you should do the utmost to prevent a war. Kiev-Nato did the opposite and now they are sorry. Play it out in your mind how much better off would Kiev be if they kept their mouth shut and didn't brazenly provoke the war...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Russia did have designs to integrate Ukraine: That’s what the CIS, SES, and EEU were for. It simply initially hoped to do so peacefully, without destroying its relations with the West in the process.

    Anyway, it could have indeed made sense on the West’s part to say that they won’t accept countries with active territorial disputes into NATO without formally abandoning NATO’s open door policy (so, Finland, Sweden, et cetera would have no obstacles to their NATO membership). Something like a commitment to remove its infrastructure from Eastern Europe could have been reasonable as well but only if Russia would have engaged in arms limitations of its own within its own territory, such as removing its nuclear missiles from Kaliningrad. And in exchange for all of this, such as having the US withdraw all of its troops from the Baltics, Poland, et cetera, NATO would insist on major concessions from Russia in regards to China, such as ending or at least massively scaling back the level of Russo-Chinese military cooperation and possibly Russo-Chinese trade of vital materials such as oil as well, at least in the event of a future war between China and the US and/or one or more US allies. Would Russia actually be interested in all of that?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    such as having the US withdraw all of its troops from the Baltics
     
    There are practically no US troops in the Baltics. But RusFed wanted to control how many troops we have (all the while they themselves had plenty of troops in Pskov and Kenig). We had relatively few of our own troops prior to 2014 (that they're continually spying on) and only started building them up after Russia's moves on Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ


    such as removing its nuclear missiles from Kaliningrad.
     
    Those are military bases on Russian territory, and nobody can dictate to other country as to where to relocate its military hardware. What should be abolished, at least half of the US military bases on foreign soils. NATO's no.1 enemy is Russia although the block was established against the communist ideology. Communist ideology in Europe collapsed "we won the cold war" the hypocrites kept bragging about. Now we know it was not ideology (China is tolerated) it was the hate of Slavic ethnicity.

    Mussolini as a Hitler's mentor and friend unequivocally expressed this hate by: "When dealing with such a race as Slavic - inferior and barbarian - we must not pursue the carrot, but the stick policy ... We should not be afraid of new victims ... The Italian border should run across the Brenner Pass, Monte Nevoso and the Dinaric Alps ... I would say we can easily sacrifice 500,000 barbaric Slavs for 50,000 Italians ...—Benito Mussolini, speech held in Pula, 20 September 1920.

  793. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are hallucinating…without Nato there would be no war.
     
    The repeated assertions of someone with a well-known reputation for his hostile relationship with the truth.

    In the Tucker interview Putin stated that it was about Nato. Listen to the whole interview and don’t lie again by cherrypicking.
     
    It is you who lie and cherry-pick. Tucker kept bringing up NATO, Putin focused on history. He did eventually, at Tucker's prodding, mention that NATO was part of the reason (after 1.5 hours of interview!) but it is cherry-picking to suggest this was the sole or most important reason. Putin's primary reason is annexation, and this is excused by Russian historical mythology which accordingly is the focus of what Putin chose to focus on in the interview.

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/tucker-carlson-interviews-vladimir-putin-transcript

    Tucker:

    Mr. President, thank you. On February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started, and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

    Putin:

    It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike in Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

    Tucker Carlson (02:06):

    Here’s the quote. Thank you. It’s a formidable, serious-

    Vladimir Putin (02:14):

    Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

    Tucker Carlson (02:18):

    Yes.

    Vladimir Putin (02:21):

    So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute [it did not last 30 seconds or 1 minute - AP] to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background.

    Tucker Carlson (02:30):

    Please.

    Vladimir Putin (02:34):

    Let’s look where our relationship with Ukraine started from. Where did Ukraine come from? The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the Russian state, in 862 when the townspeople of Novgorod invited a Varangian prince, Rurik, from Scandinavia to Reign. In 1862 Russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of its statehood, and in Novgorod there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the country. In 882 Rurik’s successor Prince Oleg, who was actually playing the role of regent and Rurik’s young son because Rurik had died by that time, came to Kiev. He ousted two brothers who apparently had once been members of Rurik’s squad, so Russia began to develop with two centers of power, Kiev and Novgorod.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    Putin then continues at length with a long description of Russian historical mythology about Russians and Ukrainians being one people, split up by the nefarious Poles and Catholics.

    22 minutes into the interview, Tucker again says: "you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?"

    Putin dismisses him by saying: "I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so bear with me please."

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    This was the focus, the main reason, for the war. Union. Supposed mutual history. NATO was secondary.

    :::::::::::::::::::::



    50 minutes in, Putin mentions NATO himself, as part of the overall historical discussion leading up to Maidan : "Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us."

    Tucker was eager for Putin to blame NATO, to vindicate fools or liars that NATO was primarily to blame. He kept pushing and again asked Putin: "Did you call a US president, Secretary of State, and say, “If you keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this is going to get… This is going to be… We’re going to act.” He responded: "We talked about this all the time. We addressed the United States and European countries’ leadership to stop these developments immediately."

    After 1.5 hours Tucker again tries to get Putin to directly blame NATO expansion for the invasion.

    Tucker: "I just have to ask, you’ve said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990. It’s a threat to your country. Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the president of Ukraine to join NATO. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?"

    Putin: "I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d’etat through peaceful means but no one listened to us."

    Still, he wouldn't directly say so right away.

    He continued:

    And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. They essentially began to create bases there. That’s all. Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality

    Vladimir Putin (01:36:00):

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    You know, I wonder if Russia would be willing to have the West demand and receive significant limitations on its own relationship with China (not a mere “pinky promise” but actual, verifiable commitments) in exchange for the West/NATO limiting its own relationship with Ukraine/Eastern Europe. I wonder if someone who was more into realpolitik and who would have hypothetically been US President in December 2021 would have been interested in exploring such a deal with Russia. But would Russia itself have actually been interested in such a deal? Or would Russia have insisted that its own relationship with China is not up for negotiation with the West but that the West’s/NATO’s relationship with Ukraine/Eastern Europe very much is up for negotiation with Russia, even when Russia makes demands that the West perceives to be unreasonable?

  794. @A123
    @LatW

    You are persistent in missing the point... Maybe this will help:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hdQcGzbpN7s

    Remember, the Russians genuinely & sincerely believe they are in an existential fight for survival. Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, a confidant of Putin, is openly talking about the use of nuclear weapons.

    What serious concessions should Kiev make to obtain peace?

    All you keep putting on the table is "Russia must surrender". No matter how you package that, it will never fly. European Empire elites would like Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian. I remain unsure why you desire that outcome.


    You didn’t answer my question. Are all animals equal, except the very special animals, as usual?
     
    I did answer your question but you were wrapped up in self referential NewSpeak and missed it. (Sigh). Perhaps examples & parallels will help.

    Different countries have different concerns and needs:

    • Are land locked Rwanda and Burundi "equal" animals to Ukraine?
    • Do they need to have 100% identical force structure, including navies, to be "equal" to Ukraine?
    • If not, does that not suggest that Russia and Ukraine do not need 100% equivalent force structures to be "equal"?

    I have made the point to QCIC multiple times that bilateral deals with Russia cannot interfere with necessary U.S. arrangements to counter the CCP. Cold War deals that made sense at the time had to go when they became obsolete and/or counterproductive. Similar logic applies here, the other way around.

    Russia is a physically giant country across 11 time zones that has many strategic fronts. A bilateral treaty with Ukraine cannot unduly restrict necessary Russian activities in those other areas. The Black Sea provides Russia its only contiguous, warm water military ports. There will be activity there that has nothing to do with Ukraine.

    If you insist on NewSpeak, such as "DEI Equity" & identical outcomes, you are never going to reach a deal in the harsh reality of actual geopolitics.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

    I understand your point about bilateral deals and the CCP and I think you are mistaken. You are underestimating the importance of “good faith” in these USA-Russia deals rated to nuclear weapons. The USA could have moved beyond the legacy agreements and treaties from the cold war in a respectful manner. They chose not to do this since they wanted to take down Russia as the first step. This was very foolish and amateurish.

    Good faith is supremely important in these dealings because reliable verification is almost impossible. Good faith includes bilateral exchanges, inspections, technical sharing and other things which reduce the likelihood of conflict. Respect for existing treaties is part of this. NATO expansion and installation of nuclear-capable missile sites in Eastern Europe represent the opposite of good faith.

    I like the Ferengi clip. I wonder if the early-1990’s was the period when peace was the least expensive? Chinese GDP was still very low so it would have been an ideal time to make multilateral agreements. Instead of pursuing peace, the West expanded NATO. Great job, morons.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    I understand your point about bilateral deals and the CCP and I think you are mistaken. You are underestimating the importance of “good faith” in these USA-Russia deals rated to nuclear weapons.
     
    The "good faith" withdrawal terms in the treaties were activated and scrupulously followed as part of "respectful" termination proceedings. Did Putin mention ABM or INF as an unforgivable transgression in his interview with Tucker?

    I think you are mistaken if you believe that the CCP would have entered into new treaties while they were receiving a free ride on the bilateral ones. "Respectfully" ending them in "good faith" was the minimum first step towards attempting a larger framework. Alas, that never came to pass.

    Despite the lack of a treaty, NATO expansion was much more provocative that the "respectful" treaty terminations.

    I like the Ferengi clip. I wonder if the early-1990’s was the period when peace was the least expensive? Chinese GDP was still very low so it would have been an ideal time to make multilateral agreements.
     
    Perhaps. Unfortunately, during that time frame outsourcing and the desire to wage suppress American workers was running amok in the U.S. The greed of MegaCorporations over rode other priorities. No one was willing to "offend" China.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  795. @LatW
    @A123

    Look, you were suggesting, in the very beginning, that RusFed not only keep their current "conquests" (as Putin called them), but that Ukraine be disarmed on top of that (right after major crimes were committed against their population!). This is typically a complete capitulation scenario.

    I brought up the "equal animals" part to show that everyone in the region needs to have security guarantees, for anything to be sustainable, if not, then it will remain a force scenario.

    I'm curious as to why you say this is an "existential struggle" for the Russian Federation. How so? Was this an "existential struggle" for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    I brought up the “equal animals” part to show that everyone in the region needs to have security guarantees, for anything to be sustainable, if not, then it will remain a force scenario.

    That was unclear from your use of the NewSpeak phrase “equal animals”. Though “security guarantee” is also a staggeringly vague term. What does that actually mean? What is needed as a “security guarantee”?

    Given the necessity of preventing Kiev aggression from restarting the fighting. It cannot translate to an offensive force allowing Ukranian nationalists to first strike Russia.

    A wide DMZ prevents accidental starts. Primarily this will be along the new line. If specific limits are desired (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) that could be brought to the negotiating table.

    Russia would rather have a cold peace with a sane neighbor rather than a failed state. They see that 2nd hand on the Syria-Lebanon border. The key is stopping Kiev provocations. This includes unofficial actors launching Pali/Ukie style October 7 incursions.

    I’m curious as to why you say this is an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation. How so?

    You badly misrepresent my position. what I stated was:

    Russian leadership believes they are in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have to accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.

    Whether you or I would score their position that way is irrelevant. The decision makers in Russia believe in the existential nature of the threat. That is what matters. The fact that Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is openly talking about using nuclear weapons pointedly clarifies current thinking of Russian leadership.

    Was this an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?

    It was headed that way or already was. Years of Kiev aggression against Russian ethnics had taken its toll.

    If you are trying to find a specific second, in a specific minute, in a specific hour, in a specific day, in a specific week… You are asking an effectively meaningless question. There is no “magic second” that historians will agree on. It comes across as if you are fishing for something, and your bait is not being taken.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    Though “security guarantee” is also a staggeringly vague term
     
    If you insist that Ukraine and Ukraine's allies implement some kind of a DMZ, then why shouldn't Russia do the same, inside their own territory?

    Given the necessity of preventing Kiev aggression from restarting the fighting.
     
    According to international law, Ukraine has full rights to fight for its own territory. Ukraine had never attacked Russian territory prior to Russian aggression.

    It cannot translate to an offensive force allowing Ukranian nationalists to first strike Russia.
     
    They never have. Or had not prior to 2023 or so. You are talking as if there are no imperial nationalists in RusFed.

    The key is stopping Kiev provocations. This includes unofficial actors launching Pali/Ukie style October 7 incursions.
     

    That's water under the bridge now - they shouldn't have attacked Ukraine. Ukraine has a right of self defense.

    Russian leadership believes they are in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have to accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.
     
    I'm aware that that's what some of them believe as well as their entitlement of the "Russian world" (insisting that our kids take time to learn a complicated language like Russian when there is no practical need). And it might as well become existential if this lasts for a long time - they may lack stamina and the war can lead the country into a chaos spiral.

    But that they believe this - is that a reason to go into neighboring country and start mass murdering people? Do you likewise approve of what Hitler did to Poles and Jews? Because he had "ideas" in his head?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    Years of Kiev aggression against Russian ethnics had taken its toll.

    Which year would you say was the worst and why?

    Had the aggression peaked before the war?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  796. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Russia did have designs to integrate Ukraine: That's what the CIS, SES, and EEU were for. It simply initially hoped to do so peacefully, without destroying its relations with the West in the process.

    Anyway, it could have indeed made sense on the West's part to say that they won't accept countries with active territorial disputes into NATO without formally abandoning NATO's open door policy (so, Finland, Sweden, et cetera would have no obstacles to their NATO membership). Something like a commitment to remove its infrastructure from Eastern Europe could have been reasonable as well but only if Russia would have engaged in arms limitations of its own within its own territory, such as removing its nuclear missiles from Kaliningrad. And in exchange for all of this, such as having the US withdraw all of its troops from the Baltics, Poland, et cetera, NATO would insist on major concessions from Russia in regards to China, such as ending or at least massively scaling back the level of Russo-Chinese military cooperation and possibly Russo-Chinese trade of vital materials such as oil as well, at least in the event of a future war between China and the US and/or one or more US allies. Would Russia actually be interested in all of that?

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer

    such as having the US withdraw all of its troops from the Baltics

    There are practically no US troops in the Baltics. But RusFed wanted to control how many troops we have (all the while they themselves had plenty of troops in Pskov and Kenig). We had relatively few of our own troops prior to 2014 (that they’re continually spying on) and only started building them up after Russia’s moves on Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    There are practically no US troops in the Baltics.
     
    Yes, a couple thousand of them. Not very much. And AFAIK with no offensive capabilities.

    But if Russia insists on being paranoid about them and getting them removed, then it should be prepared to make significant concessions of its own as well.

    But RusFed wanted to control how many troops we have (all the while they themselves had plenty of troops in Pskov and Kenig).
     
    Yes, limitations on NATO troops would need to be proportional to limitations on Russian troops nearby. You have people saying that Russia won't be stupid enough to attack NATO, the most powerful military alliance in the world, and this might be true, but it's not 100% guaranteed (though it likely is 95+% guaranteed). After all, Saddam Hussein risked war with the US over Kuwait and Kim Il-Sung risked war with the US over South Korea. If Russia thinks that it can achieve a quick victory and that NATO won't get involved, then some Russian leader in the future could decide to gamble. Though with Finland in NATO, such a Russian gamble would likely be harder since Russia would then likely need to fight on two fronts: The Baltic front and the Finnish front. Conquering the Baltics without conquering Finland won't do much for Russia since NATO can still place nuclear missiles in Finland afterwards (which NATO has no intention of doing but which Russia nevertheless appears to be very, very paranoid about).

    We had relatively few of our own troops prior to 2014 (that they’re continually spying on) and only started building them up after Russia’s moves on Ukraine.

     

    Yes, and AFAIK there was almost no NATO military infrastructure in Eastern Europe before 2014 either. The one thing that I recall being debated before 2014 was a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe, which AFAIK Obama scrapped (though maybe it was revived after 2014? Not sure).

    Replies: @LatW

  797. @A123
    @LatW


    I brought up the “equal animals” part to show that everyone in the region needs to have security guarantees, for anything to be sustainable, if not, then it will remain a force scenario.
     
    That was unclear from your use of the NewSpeak phrase "equal animals". Though "security guarantee" is also a staggeringly vague term. What does that actually mean? What is needed as a "security guarantee"?

    Given the necessity of preventing Kiev aggression from restarting the fighting. It cannot translate to an offensive force allowing Ukranian nationalists to first strike Russia.

    A wide DMZ prevents accidental starts. Primarily this will be along the new line. If specific limits are desired (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) that could be brought to the negotiating table.

    Russia would rather have a cold peace with a sane neighbor rather than a failed state. They see that 2nd hand on the Syria-Lebanon border. The key is stopping Kiev provocations. This includes unofficial actors launching Pali/Ukie style October 7 incursions.


    I’m curious as to why you say this is an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation. How so?
     
    You badly misrepresent my position. what I stated was:

    Russian leadership believes they are in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have to accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.

    Whether you or I would score their position that way is irrelevant. The decision makers in Russia believe in the existential nature of the threat. That is what matters. The fact that Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is openly talking about using nuclear weapons pointedly clarifies current thinking of Russian leadership.


    Was this an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?
     
    It was headed that way or already was. Years of Kiev aggression against Russian ethnics had taken its toll.

    If you are trying to find a specific second, in a specific minute, in a specific hour, in a specific day, in a specific week... You are asking an effectively meaningless question. There is no "magic second" that historians will agree on. It comes across as if you are fishing for something, and your bait is not being taken.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    Though “security guarantee” is also a staggeringly vague term

    If you insist that Ukraine and Ukraine’s allies implement some kind of a DMZ, then why shouldn’t Russia do the same, inside their own territory?

    Given the necessity of preventing Kiev aggression from restarting the fighting.

    According to international law, Ukraine has full rights to fight for its own territory. Ukraine had never attacked Russian territory prior to Russian aggression.

    It cannot translate to an offensive force allowing Ukranian nationalists to first strike Russia.

    They never have. Or had not prior to 2023 or so. You are talking as if there are no imperial nationalists in RusFed.

    The key is stopping Kiev provocations. This includes unofficial actors launching Pali/Ukie style October 7 incursions.

    That’s water under the bridge now – they shouldn’t have attacked Ukraine. Ukraine has a right of self defense.

    Russian leadership believes they are in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have to accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.

    I’m aware that that’s what some of them believe as well as their entitlement of the “Russian world” (insisting that our kids take time to learn a complicated language like Russian when there is no practical need). And it might as well become existential if this lasts for a long time – they may lack stamina and the war can lead the country into a chaos spiral.

    But that they believe this – is that a reason to go into neighboring country and start mass murdering people? Do you likewise approve of what Hitler did to Poles and Jews? Because he had “ideas” in his head?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    But that they believe this – is that a reason to go into neighboring country and start mass murdering people? Do you likewise approve of what Hitler did to Poles and Jews? Because he had “ideas” in his head?

     

    Putin actually did blame Poland for not appeasing Hitler enough and thus helping to spark WWII in his interview with Tucker Carlson. Obviously, blame for WWII lies squarely with Hitler, but nevertheless, given just how badly WWII turned out for Polish Jews (90% of them ended up getting murdered by the Nazis), it's entirely reasonable to ask whether the strategy that the Poles and the West pursued in regards to the Nazis was actually an optimal one. A Soviet alliance in 1939, even at the expense of throwing the Baltic countries under the Soviet bus (I'm terribly sorry, LatW), while Poland simultaneously makes territorial concessions to Nazi Germany (at least Danzig, but possibly a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor, minus Gdynia, as well) would have probably been the optimal deterrence strategy against Nazi Germany. At least short of a preventative war in, say, 1933, which the West had absolutely no desire to engage in or support, unlike perhaps Poland.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @LatW



    A wide DMZ prevents accidental starts. Primarily this will be along the new line. If specific limits are desired (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) that could be brought to the negotiating table.
     
    If you insist that Ukraine and Ukraine’s allies implement some kind of a DMZ, then why shouldn’t Russia do the same, inside their own territory?
     
    I did. As part of a peace deal, both sides Russia and Ukraine would have a DMZ on their side. This would be mostly about the new border, but I even explicitly stated that other borders (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) could be included in the negotiations.

    What are you looking for? The Pripyat marsh geography is one step removed from Norse Hell. Is a DMZ with Belarus really necessary there? I suppose such a deal could be made, however recent history shows that is a less than ideal route for any incursion.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

  798. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    such as having the US withdraw all of its troops from the Baltics
     
    There are practically no US troops in the Baltics. But RusFed wanted to control how many troops we have (all the while they themselves had plenty of troops in Pskov and Kenig). We had relatively few of our own troops prior to 2014 (that they're continually spying on) and only started building them up after Russia's moves on Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    There are practically no US troops in the Baltics.

    Yes, a couple thousand of them. Not very much. And AFAIK with no offensive capabilities.

    But if Russia insists on being paranoid about them and getting them removed, then it should be prepared to make significant concessions of its own as well.

    But RusFed wanted to control how many troops we have (all the while they themselves had plenty of troops in Pskov and Kenig).

    Yes, limitations on NATO troops would need to be proportional to limitations on Russian troops nearby. You have people saying that Russia won’t be stupid enough to attack NATO, the most powerful military alliance in the world, and this might be true, but it’s not 100% guaranteed (though it likely is 95+% guaranteed). After all, Saddam Hussein risked war with the US over Kuwait and Kim Il-Sung risked war with the US over South Korea. If Russia thinks that it can achieve a quick victory and that NATO won’t get involved, then some Russian leader in the future could decide to gamble. Though with Finland in NATO, such a Russian gamble would likely be harder since Russia would then likely need to fight on two fronts: The Baltic front and the Finnish front. Conquering the Baltics without conquering Finland won’t do much for Russia since NATO can still place nuclear missiles in Finland afterwards (which NATO has no intention of doing but which Russia nevertheless appears to be very, very paranoid about).

    We had relatively few of our own troops prior to 2014 (that they’re continually spying on) and only started building them up after Russia’s moves on Ukraine.

    Yes, and AFAIK there was almost no NATO military infrastructure in Eastern Europe before 2014 either. The one thing that I recall being debated before 2014 was a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe, which AFAIK Obama scrapped (though maybe it was revived after 2014? Not sure).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Yes, a couple thousand of them. Not very much. And AFAIK with no offensive capabilities.
     
    If that, and those are recent, mostly rotational deployments - meaning they are not as efficient and coalesced with the rest of the allies (although there's been a lot of training recently). If Trump ever asked us to pay for them, it would not make any sense from the financial and military point of view - in fact, it would make sense to increase our own, cheaper troops who live and train on the spot continuously. Which is going to happen now anyway through reinstated conscription. Plus there are allied troops there of various nationalities.

    Of course, I will still say "thank you" even for these current US (and other) troops, but to blow it out of proportion and claim that there is some threat for Russia there, specifically from Americans, is a bit exaggerated. They simply don't like that they're there, but then again - we all may not like certain things, but have to live with them.

    But if Russia insists on being paranoid about them and getting them removed, then it should be prepared to make significant concessions of its own as well.
     
    The existing numbers would not make a big difference in a real war, but this conversation is moot now, after 2022 (there was very little trust to begin with and now it's completely gone). The key now is to raise our own, local troops and station / host mixed European allied troops. It would be cool to have pro-European E.Slavic troops but that's probably just my fantasies.

    There is a much larger number of RusFed troops in the region (except the ones who left to Ukraine from Pskov, but those will be redeployed back with time), plus a large exercise with Belarus, and I don't see how RusFed would've agreed to downsize them, as well as remove all the equipment / missiles they have nearby.

    This is why I asked about all animals being equal (or not - as usual) - is it just Ukraine and other neighbors who have to downsize (in an increasingly dangerous environment), or is RusFed going to downsize as well?

    Yes, limitations on NATO troops would need to be proportional to limitations on Russian troops nearby.
     
    Our own local troops are also technically NATO troops, and would still be that, even if there was not a single British or Dutch soldier there. But RusFed wanted us to limit the number of our own troops (limit the size of troops involved in training with Estonians - which is pretty offensive).


    Putin actually did blame Poland for not appeasing Hitler enough and thus helping to spark WWII in his interview with Tucker Carlson. Obviously, blame for WWII lies squarely with Hitler, but nevertheless, given just how badly WWII turned out for Polish Jews (90% of them ended up getting murdered by the Nazis), it’s entirely reasonable to ask whether the strategy that the Poles and the West pursued in regards to the Nazis was actually an optimal one.
     
    Blaming Poland for the Nazi invasion is considered a huge faux pas in polite European society (regardless of your alternate history musings 😊). So Putin demonstrated to everyone who he is and who he defends. To us this was never anything new, but the world knows now, too.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  799. @QCIC
    @A123

    I understand your point about bilateral deals and the CCP and I think you are mistaken. You are underestimating the importance of "good faith" in these USA-Russia deals rated to nuclear weapons. The USA could have moved beyond the legacy agreements and treaties from the cold war in a respectful manner. They chose not to do this since they wanted to take down Russia as the first step. This was very foolish and amateurish.

    Good faith is supremely important in these dealings because reliable verification is almost impossible. Good faith includes bilateral exchanges, inspections, technical sharing and other things which reduce the likelihood of conflict. Respect for existing treaties is part of this. NATO expansion and installation of nuclear-capable missile sites in Eastern Europe represent the opposite of good faith.

    I like the Ferengi clip. I wonder if the early-1990's was the period when peace was the least expensive? Chinese GDP was still very low so it would have been an ideal time to make multilateral agreements. Instead of pursuing peace, the West expanded NATO. Great job, morons.

    Replies: @A123

    I understand your point about bilateral deals and the CCP and I think you are mistaken. You are underestimating the importance of “good faith” in these USA-Russia deals rated to nuclear weapons.

    The “good faith” withdrawal terms in the treaties were activated and scrupulously followed as part of “respectful” termination proceedings. Did Putin mention ABM or INF as an unforgivable transgression in his interview with Tucker?

    I think you are mistaken if you believe that the CCP would have entered into new treaties while they were receiving a free ride on the bilateral ones. “Respectfully” ending them in “good faith” was the minimum first step towards attempting a larger framework. Alas, that never came to pass.

    Despite the lack of a treaty, NATO expansion was much more provocative that the “respectful” treaty terminations.

    I like the Ferengi clip. I wonder if the early-1990’s was the period when peace was the least expensive? Chinese GDP was still very low so it would have been an ideal time to make multilateral agreements.

    Perhaps. Unfortunately, during that time frame outsourcing and the desire to wage suppress American workers was running amok in the U.S. The greed of MegaCorporations over rode other priorities. No one was willing to “offend” China.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    The 'respectful termination' of the ABM treaty by the Bush fools (Neocons) was a token and only slightly better than nothing. Don't fall into the JJ moron trap; Putin doesn't mention the heavy serious topics in all his speeches. This does not change the fact that these issues are extremely important and are still in play. These serious arms control problems did not just go away. The recent Russian deployment of Avangard, Sarmat, Zircon, and Belgorod/Status-6 are the most dangerous moves in the nuclear warfare stalemate in many years. The actions of the USA and the West directly caused these moves to occur.

    Getting a multilateral agreement out of China in the nineties seems possible. If the West applied half of the aggression it has showed toward Russia, China would have rolled over like a dog. The CCP had too much to lose and at the time no way to protect it. The agreements could have been good for everyone.

  800. @LatW
    @A123


    Though “security guarantee” is also a staggeringly vague term
     
    If you insist that Ukraine and Ukraine's allies implement some kind of a DMZ, then why shouldn't Russia do the same, inside their own territory?

    Given the necessity of preventing Kiev aggression from restarting the fighting.
     
    According to international law, Ukraine has full rights to fight for its own territory. Ukraine had never attacked Russian territory prior to Russian aggression.

    It cannot translate to an offensive force allowing Ukranian nationalists to first strike Russia.
     
    They never have. Or had not prior to 2023 or so. You are talking as if there are no imperial nationalists in RusFed.

    The key is stopping Kiev provocations. This includes unofficial actors launching Pali/Ukie style October 7 incursions.
     

    That's water under the bridge now - they shouldn't have attacked Ukraine. Ukraine has a right of self defense.

    Russian leadership believes they are in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have to accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.
     
    I'm aware that that's what some of them believe as well as their entitlement of the "Russian world" (insisting that our kids take time to learn a complicated language like Russian when there is no practical need). And it might as well become existential if this lasts for a long time - they may lack stamina and the war can lead the country into a chaos spiral.

    But that they believe this - is that a reason to go into neighboring country and start mass murdering people? Do you likewise approve of what Hitler did to Poles and Jews? Because he had "ideas" in his head?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    But that they believe this – is that a reason to go into neighboring country and start mass murdering people? Do you likewise approve of what Hitler did to Poles and Jews? Because he had “ideas” in his head?

    Putin actually did blame Poland for not appeasing Hitler enough and thus helping to spark WWII in his interview with Tucker Carlson. Obviously, blame for WWII lies squarely with Hitler, but nevertheless, given just how badly WWII turned out for Polish Jews (90% of them ended up getting murdered by the Nazis), it’s entirely reasonable to ask whether the strategy that the Poles and the West pursued in regards to the Nazis was actually an optimal one. A Soviet alliance in 1939, even at the expense of throwing the Baltic countries under the Soviet bus (I’m terribly sorry, LatW), while Poland simultaneously makes territorial concessions to Nazi Germany (at least Danzig, but possibly a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor, minus Gdynia, as well) would have probably been the optimal deterrence strategy against Nazi Germany. At least short of a preventative war in, say, 1933, which the West had absolutely no desire to engage in or support, unlike perhaps Poland.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Pilsudski indulged a 40,000 strong Zionist militia based in Poland. The organisation was called Betar (Brit Trumpeldor) and is the direct forerunner of Likud. Betar were planning to boot the British out of Palestine and make war on Berlin.

    Far from optimal. It was terrorism.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  801. @LatW
    @A123


    Though “security guarantee” is also a staggeringly vague term
     
    If you insist that Ukraine and Ukraine's allies implement some kind of a DMZ, then why shouldn't Russia do the same, inside their own territory?

    Given the necessity of preventing Kiev aggression from restarting the fighting.
     
    According to international law, Ukraine has full rights to fight for its own territory. Ukraine had never attacked Russian territory prior to Russian aggression.

    It cannot translate to an offensive force allowing Ukranian nationalists to first strike Russia.
     
    They never have. Or had not prior to 2023 or so. You are talking as if there are no imperial nationalists in RusFed.

    The key is stopping Kiev provocations. This includes unofficial actors launching Pali/Ukie style October 7 incursions.
     

    That's water under the bridge now - they shouldn't have attacked Ukraine. Ukraine has a right of self defense.

    Russian leadership believes they are in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have to accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.
     
    I'm aware that that's what some of them believe as well as their entitlement of the "Russian world" (insisting that our kids take time to learn a complicated language like Russian when there is no practical need). And it might as well become existential if this lasts for a long time - they may lack stamina and the war can lead the country into a chaos spiral.

    But that they believe this - is that a reason to go into neighboring country and start mass murdering people? Do you likewise approve of what Hitler did to Poles and Jews? Because he had "ideas" in his head?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123

    A wide DMZ prevents accidental starts. Primarily this will be along the new line. If specific limits are desired (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) that could be brought to the negotiating table.

    If you insist that Ukraine and Ukraine’s allies implement some kind of a DMZ, then why shouldn’t Russia do the same, inside their own territory?

    I did. As part of a peace deal, both sides Russia and Ukraine would have a DMZ on their side. This would be mostly about the new border, but I even explicitly stated that other borders (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) could be included in the negotiations.

    What are you looking for? The Pripyat marsh geography is one step removed from Norse Hell. Is a DMZ with Belarus really necessary there? I suppose such a deal could be made, however recent history shows that is a less than ideal route for any incursion.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    What are you looking for?
     
    I have enough tact to not bargain with another people's territory, but let me just leave that in the competence of the Russian Volunteer Corps.

    Replies: @A123, @Ennui

  802. @A123
    @LatW


    I brought up the “equal animals” part to show that everyone in the region needs to have security guarantees, for anything to be sustainable, if not, then it will remain a force scenario.
     
    That was unclear from your use of the NewSpeak phrase "equal animals". Though "security guarantee" is also a staggeringly vague term. What does that actually mean? What is needed as a "security guarantee"?

    Given the necessity of preventing Kiev aggression from restarting the fighting. It cannot translate to an offensive force allowing Ukranian nationalists to first strike Russia.

    A wide DMZ prevents accidental starts. Primarily this will be along the new line. If specific limits are desired (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) that could be brought to the negotiating table.

    Russia would rather have a cold peace with a sane neighbor rather than a failed state. They see that 2nd hand on the Syria-Lebanon border. The key is stopping Kiev provocations. This includes unofficial actors launching Pali/Ukie style October 7 incursions.


    I’m curious as to why you say this is an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation. How so?
     
    You badly misrepresent my position. what I stated was:

    Russian leadership believes they are in an existential fight for survival. Surrender is not an option. You may personally disagree with that belief, but you have to accept — It is what they believe. — And, that belief will shape their actions.

    Whether you or I would score their position that way is irrelevant. The decision makers in Russia believe in the existential nature of the threat. That is what matters. The fact that Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is openly talking about using nuclear weapons pointedly clarifies current thinking of Russian leadership.


    Was this an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?
     
    It was headed that way or already was. Years of Kiev aggression against Russian ethnics had taken its toll.

    If you are trying to find a specific second, in a specific minute, in a specific hour, in a specific day, in a specific week... You are asking an effectively meaningless question. There is no "magic second" that historians will agree on. It comes across as if you are fishing for something, and your bait is not being taken.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    Years of Kiev aggression against Russian ethnics had taken its toll.

    Which year would you say was the worst and why?

    Had the aggression peaked before the war?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Of course, our misguided resident kremlin stooge will never answer your very direct questions, because there's nothing to his claims, all fueled by years of his disgusting habit of the inhalation of model glue vapors. His favorite mantra is "Kiev aggression" substituting Ukraine's God given rights to defend its borders from outside aggression, for some self devised fantasies of his own device.

  803. @A123
    @QCIC


    I understand your point about bilateral deals and the CCP and I think you are mistaken. You are underestimating the importance of “good faith” in these USA-Russia deals rated to nuclear weapons.
     
    The "good faith" withdrawal terms in the treaties were activated and scrupulously followed as part of "respectful" termination proceedings. Did Putin mention ABM or INF as an unforgivable transgression in his interview with Tucker?

    I think you are mistaken if you believe that the CCP would have entered into new treaties while they were receiving a free ride on the bilateral ones. "Respectfully" ending them in "good faith" was the minimum first step towards attempting a larger framework. Alas, that never came to pass.

    Despite the lack of a treaty, NATO expansion was much more provocative that the "respectful" treaty terminations.

    I like the Ferengi clip. I wonder if the early-1990’s was the period when peace was the least expensive? Chinese GDP was still very low so it would have been an ideal time to make multilateral agreements.
     
    Perhaps. Unfortunately, during that time frame outsourcing and the desire to wage suppress American workers was running amok in the U.S. The greed of MegaCorporations over rode other priorities. No one was willing to "offend" China.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    The ‘respectful termination’ of the ABM treaty by the Bush fools (Neocons) was a token and only slightly better than nothing. Don’t fall into the JJ moron trap; Putin doesn’t mention the heavy serious topics in all his speeches. This does not change the fact that these issues are extremely important and are still in play. These serious arms control problems did not just go away. The recent Russian deployment of Avangard, Sarmat, Zircon, and Belgorod/Status-6 are the most dangerous moves in the nuclear warfare stalemate in many years. The actions of the USA and the West directly caused these moves to occur.

    Getting a multilateral agreement out of China in the nineties seems possible. If the West applied half of the aggression it has showed toward Russia, China would have rolled over like a dog. The CCP had too much to lose and at the time no way to protect it. The agreements could have been good for everyone.

  804. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    By your standard, Spanish and other non-English languages are far more “cancelled” in the USA.

    Are you really so dumb, or just pretend? Virtually everywhere the signs in English are doubled in Spanish: on the ATMs, in stores, etc. Every phone answering service tells you to chose between English and Spanish.
     
    But there are no Spanish-language state schools in the USA, yet there are many state language Russian-language primary schools in Ukraine (unless they have shut them down in response to the 2022 invasion, I don't know).

    In America some places use Spanish largely because there are many Spanish-speakers who do not understand English. In contrast, almost all Russian-speakers in Ukraine understand the Ukrainian language so there is no need for both languages.

    Is that why he failed to move $300 billion worth of assets stored in the West, that have been frozen and may be given to Ukraine?

    I thought you are smarter than that. If the West steals (this is the correct word) these assets, it will thereby kill its financial system.
     
    Because it took assets from a terror state that invaded another country?

    It would mean that places like Iran wouldn't park their assets in Western banks. Do they? Or that if China decided to invade the Philippines it would, unlike the moronic Russian government, pull its assets out first.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I know that when my daughter graduated from high school in AZ, there were two commencement addresses at the graduation ceremony, one in English and the other in Spanish. In contrast, banderite Ukieland completely abolished the use of any languages except Ukrainian.

    But the language Nazism of banderite Ukieland is so obvious that only a liar would not see it.

    Because it took assets from a terror state that invaded another country?

    That is addressed in comment #774. I can say only this: if the West steals Russian assets, nobody would ever trust their assets to any imperial cocksucker. That’s why they are afraid to steal. Besides, the holder of ~190 billion of Russian Central Bank money, Belgian company Euroclear, is against this theft for reasons they explained clearly enough.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    I know that when my daughter graduated from high school in AZ, there were two commencement addresses at the graduation ceremony, one in English and the other in Spanish. In contrast, banderite Ukieland completely abolished the use of any languages except Ukrainian.
     
    So, any Spanish-language public schools in Arizona? Yes or no?

    Arizona:

    https://law.justia.com/constitution/arizona/28/1.htm

    Article 28 Section 1 - English as the official language; applicability
    1. English as the official language; applicability

    Section 1. (1) The English language is the official language of the state of Arizona.

    (2) As the official language of this state, the English language is the language of the ballot, the public schools and all government functions and actions.

    (3)(a) This article applies to:

    (i) The legislative, executive and judicial branches of government.

    (ii) All political subdivisions, departments, agencies, organizations, and instrumentalities of this state, including local governments and municipalities.

    (iii) All statutes, ordinances, rules, orders, programs and policies.

    (iv) All government officials and employees during the performance of government business.

    (b) As used in this article, the phrase "this state and all political subdivisions of this state" shall include every entity, person, action or item described in this section, as appropriate to the circumstances.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine has (unless this changed after 2022) numerous state grade schools teaching in Russian.

    So you think nobody ever spoke Russian or gave a speech in Russian at commencement ceremonies in Ukraine since 2014?

    But the language Nazism of banderite Ukieland is so obvious that only a liar would not see it.
     
    So do you consider Arizona to be a Nazi state?

    How about your Tennessee?

    Speaking of "liars". You wrote:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/helsinki-meeting/#comment-2421459

    Funny when people who know nothing about the US use it as an example. There is NO official federal language in the US, period. NO official language in any state.
     
    https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2021/title-4/chapter-1/part-4/section-4-1-404/#:~:text=English%20is%20hereby%20established%20as%20the%20official%20and%20legal%20language%20of%20Tennessee.

    English is hereby established as the official and legal language of Tennessee. All communications and publications, including ballots, produced by governmental entities in Tennessee shall be in English, and instruction in the public schools and colleges of Tennessee shall be conducted in English unless the nature of the course would require otherwise
  805. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    There are practically no US troops in the Baltics.
     
    Yes, a couple thousand of them. Not very much. And AFAIK with no offensive capabilities.

    But if Russia insists on being paranoid about them and getting them removed, then it should be prepared to make significant concessions of its own as well.

    But RusFed wanted to control how many troops we have (all the while they themselves had plenty of troops in Pskov and Kenig).
     
    Yes, limitations on NATO troops would need to be proportional to limitations on Russian troops nearby. You have people saying that Russia won't be stupid enough to attack NATO, the most powerful military alliance in the world, and this might be true, but it's not 100% guaranteed (though it likely is 95+% guaranteed). After all, Saddam Hussein risked war with the US over Kuwait and Kim Il-Sung risked war with the US over South Korea. If Russia thinks that it can achieve a quick victory and that NATO won't get involved, then some Russian leader in the future could decide to gamble. Though with Finland in NATO, such a Russian gamble would likely be harder since Russia would then likely need to fight on two fronts: The Baltic front and the Finnish front. Conquering the Baltics without conquering Finland won't do much for Russia since NATO can still place nuclear missiles in Finland afterwards (which NATO has no intention of doing but which Russia nevertheless appears to be very, very paranoid about).

    We had relatively few of our own troops prior to 2014 (that they’re continually spying on) and only started building them up after Russia’s moves on Ukraine.

     

    Yes, and AFAIK there was almost no NATO military infrastructure in Eastern Europe before 2014 either. The one thing that I recall being debated before 2014 was a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe, which AFAIK Obama scrapped (though maybe it was revived after 2014? Not sure).

    Replies: @LatW

    Yes, a couple thousand of them. Not very much. And AFAIK with no offensive capabilities.

    If that, and those are recent, mostly rotational deployments – meaning they are not as efficient and coalesced with the rest of the allies (although there’s been a lot of training recently). If Trump ever asked us to pay for them, it would not make any sense from the financial and military point of view – in fact, it would make sense to increase our own, cheaper troops who live and train on the spot continuously. Which is going to happen now anyway through reinstated conscription. Plus there are allied troops there of various nationalities.

    Of course, I will still say “thank you” even for these current US (and other) troops, but to blow it out of proportion and claim that there is some threat for Russia there, specifically from Americans, is a bit exaggerated. They simply don’t like that they’re there, but then again – we all may not like certain things, but have to live with them.

    [MORE]

    But if Russia insists on being paranoid about them and getting them removed, then it should be prepared to make significant concessions of its own as well.

    The existing numbers would not make a big difference in a real war, but this conversation is moot now, after 2022 (there was very little trust to begin with and now it’s completely gone). The key now is to raise our own, local troops and station / host mixed European allied troops. It would be cool to have pro-European E.Slavic troops but that’s probably just my fantasies.

    There is a much larger number of RusFed troops in the region (except the ones who left to Ukraine from Pskov, but those will be redeployed back with time), plus a large exercise with Belarus, and I don’t see how RusFed would’ve agreed to downsize them, as well as remove all the equipment / missiles they have nearby.

    This is why I asked about all animals being equal (or not – as usual) – is it just Ukraine and other neighbors who have to downsize (in an increasingly dangerous environment), or is RusFed going to downsize as well?

    Yes, limitations on NATO troops would need to be proportional to limitations on Russian troops nearby.

    Our own local troops are also technically NATO troops, and would still be that, even if there was not a single British or Dutch soldier there. But RusFed wanted us to limit the number of our own troops (limit the size of troops involved in training with Estonians – which is pretty offensive).

    Putin actually did blame Poland for not appeasing Hitler enough and thus helping to spark WWII in his interview with Tucker Carlson. Obviously, blame for WWII lies squarely with Hitler, but nevertheless, given just how badly WWII turned out for Polish Jews (90% of them ended up getting murdered by the Nazis), it’s entirely reasonable to ask whether the strategy that the Poles and the West pursued in regards to the Nazis was actually an optimal one.

    Blaming Poland for the Nazi invasion is considered a huge faux pas in polite European society (regardless of your alternate history musings 😊). So Putin demonstrated to everyone who he is and who he defends. To us this was never anything new, but the world knows now, too.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    If that, and those are recent, mostly rotational deployments – meaning they are not as efficient and coalesced with the rest of the allies (although there’s been a lot of training recently). If Trump ever asked us to pay for them, it would not make any sense from the financial and military point of view – in fact, it would make sense to increase our own, cheaper troops who live and train on the spot continuously. Which is going to happen now anyway through reinstated conscription. Plus there are allied troops there of various nationalities.

     

    The purpose of these US/NATO troops is simply to make it clear to Russia that there is no doubt at all that the US/NATO will go to war against Russia if Russia will ever attack the Baltics. In other words, the main purpose of these troops is signaling. Obviously they by themselves will never be enough to protect the Baltics from Russia; rather, the Baltics would have to subsequently be liberated from Russia in the event of an all-out NATO-Russia war.

    Of course, I will still say “thank you” even for these current US (and other) troops, but to blow it out of proportion and claim that there is some threat for Russia there, specifically from Americans, is a bit exaggerated. They simply don’t like that they’re there, but then again – we all may not like certain things, but have to live with them.
     
    Yep, the US did not like 11,000 Soviet troops and a Soviet radar station in Cuba during the later Cold War, but unlike with the Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962, refused to actually be willing to risk a war over this issue.

    The existing numbers would not make a big difference in a real war, but this conversation is moot now, after 2022 (there was very little trust to begin with and now it’s completely gone). The key now is to raise our own, local troops and station / host mixed European allied troops. It would be cool to have pro-European E.Slavic troops but that’s probably just my fantasies.

    There is a much larger number of RusFed troops in the region (except the ones who left to Ukraine from Pskov, but those will be redeployed back with time), plus a large exercise with Belarus, and I don’t see how RusFed would’ve agreed to downsize them, as well as remove all the equipment / missiles they have nearby.

    This is why I asked about all animals being equal (or not – as usual) – is it just Ukraine and other neighbors who have to downsize (in an increasingly dangerous environment), or is RusFed going to downsize as well?
     

    Pro-European East Slavic troops would be Ukrainians or Russian/Belarusian dissidents such as this battalion, no?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastu%C5%9B_Kalino%C5%ADski_Regiment

    Good idea for the Baltic countries to build up their own militaries, possibly with the Anglosphere's and/or Poland's help.

    And Yes, I completely agree with your point here about parity and all animals/countries/blocs needing to have equal treatment in regards to such matters. Unilateral disarmament is a sucker's game that the West (or Russia itself, for that matter) will never be interested in.


    Our own local troops are also technically NATO troops, and would still be that, even if there was not a single British or Dutch soldier there. But RusFed wanted us to limit the number of our own troops (limit the size of troops involved in training with Estonians – which is pretty offensive).

     

    Where and when specifically did Russia ask you to limit the size of your own troops?

    BTW, your countries need many more people. Pro-natalism there on an extraordinarily massive scale would be extremely beneficial. ;)

    At least your countries won't run out of burial space for a very long time, though. Are graves (as in, burial plots) in your countries leased for a couple of decades like in Germany, with one subsequently having the option of renewing this lease?


    Blaming Poland for the Nazi invasion is considered a huge faux pas in polite European society (regardless of your alternate history musings 😊). So Putin demonstrated to everyone who he is and who he defends. To us this was never anything new, but the world knows now, too.

     

    Well, I think that it was in bad taste of Putin to make the analogy because he himself would be playing the role of Hitler in this analogy. Obviously Danzig and the Polish Corridor weren't worth a new World War over, in spite of Poland's obstinance about these topics.

    I still think that it was a good idea for Poland to accept Hitler's ultimatum, even if Hitler would have subsequently violated it, for these reasons, though:

    1. The Anglo-French can still go to war for Poland if Hitler subsequently violates this ultimatum
    2. It would be easier for the Anglo-French to get support for their war effort among US isolationists if they and Poland were more conciliatory in the run-up to the war
    3. The ultimatum itself wasn't intolerable; Gdynia was guaranteed to remain Polish, along with an extraterritorial Polish road connecting Gdynia to the rest of Poland if Poland will lose the plebiscite in the Polish Corridor
    4. It would give more time for the Kindertransport to continue operating, thus allowing more vulnerable Jewish children to be successfully evacuated to the Anglosphere, such as Britain
    5. It would give the Anglo-French more time to rearm
    6. It could subsequently be used as a bargaining chip by the Anglo-French if France never falls after war breaks out to induce anti-Nazis in the German government and military to launch an anti-Nazi coup in Germany in exchange for them getting a status quo ante bellum peace for Germany (which will be more attractive in this scenario than in real life due to the Danzig and Polish Corridor questions being solved to Germany's satisfaction before the outbreak of any war)
    7. If the Anglo-French strategy in point #6 will fail, any Polish concessions to Germany that were made before the war could always be revoked after the outbreak of the war, similar to how the Allies eventually revoked the Munich Agreement after WWII broke out in response to Nazi Germany's extremely awful and outrageous behavior

    Replies: @LatW

  806. @A123
    @LatW



    A wide DMZ prevents accidental starts. Primarily this will be along the new line. If specific limits are desired (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) that could be brought to the negotiating table.
     
    If you insist that Ukraine and Ukraine’s allies implement some kind of a DMZ, then why shouldn’t Russia do the same, inside their own territory?
     
    I did. As part of a peace deal, both sides Russia and Ukraine would have a DMZ on their side. This would be mostly about the new border, but I even explicitly stated that other borders (e.g. close proximity Belograd-Kharkiv zone) could be included in the negotiations.

    What are you looking for? The Pripyat marsh geography is one step removed from Norse Hell. Is a DMZ with Belarus really necessary there? I suppose such a deal could be made, however recent history shows that is a less than ideal route for any incursion.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    What are you looking for?

    I have enough tact to not bargain with another people’s territory, but let me just leave that in the competence of the Russian Volunteer Corps.

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW


    I have enough tact to not bargain with another people’s territory, but let me just leave that in the competence of the Russian Volunteer Corps.
     
    I am having trouble following this suggestion. Why do you want Russian and Ukrainian and Russia "Volunteer Corps" to bargain? That does not sound terribly effective. What authority do they have to sign an agreement? How would it be enforced?

    It would make more sense for the actual sovereign governments to bargain. Unfortunately, the Kiev regime refuses to do so. Ukrainians badly need new leaders who will represent them, not the European Empire.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Ennui
    @LatW

    It isn't your territory if you expect American taxpayers to fund your military, you bunch of entitled wretches.

  807. Early tomorrow morning I am off to Russia via Istanbul. Turkish airlines fly directly from Chicago to Istanbul w/o stopover in Europe, so I won’t be in any of the madhouses and no lemmings will get any of my money for their services. Will be back (again, via Istanbul avoiding Europe) on March 7th.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, you informed us yesterday that you were in Istanbul. Is this only a short stop, or did you see some of the sights? Before the Russian inspired war, I had serious thoughts about visiting at least Moscow. Now, I doubt that I'll ever visit Russia in the future. Turkey though, is certainly still on my bucket list...

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    Royal Morocco Air flights are cheaper. And the airline pays for the hotel and meals during the long layover.

  808. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    But that they believe this – is that a reason to go into neighboring country and start mass murdering people? Do you likewise approve of what Hitler did to Poles and Jews? Because he had “ideas” in his head?

     

    Putin actually did blame Poland for not appeasing Hitler enough and thus helping to spark WWII in his interview with Tucker Carlson. Obviously, blame for WWII lies squarely with Hitler, but nevertheless, given just how badly WWII turned out for Polish Jews (90% of them ended up getting murdered by the Nazis), it's entirely reasonable to ask whether the strategy that the Poles and the West pursued in regards to the Nazis was actually an optimal one. A Soviet alliance in 1939, even at the expense of throwing the Baltic countries under the Soviet bus (I'm terribly sorry, LatW), while Poland simultaneously makes territorial concessions to Nazi Germany (at least Danzig, but possibly a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor, minus Gdynia, as well) would have probably been the optimal deterrence strategy against Nazi Germany. At least short of a preventative war in, say, 1933, which the West had absolutely no desire to engage in or support, unlike perhaps Poland.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Pilsudski indulged a 40,000 strong Zionist militia based in Poland. The organisation was called Betar (Brit Trumpeldor) and is the direct forerunner of Likud. Betar were planning to boot the British out of Palestine and make war on Berlin.

    Far from optimal. It was terrorism.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    Booting the British out of Palestine could have potentially made the Zionists Nazi allies of convenience since now the Nazis would finally have a place where they could deport all of the Jews under their rule to in very short order. The Jews would also benefit since this mass deportation of European Jews by the Nazis, unlike real life's, won't involve any mass murder.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  809. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Pilsudski indulged a 40,000 strong Zionist militia based in Poland. The organisation was called Betar (Brit Trumpeldor) and is the direct forerunner of Likud. Betar were planning to boot the British out of Palestine and make war on Berlin.

    Far from optimal. It was terrorism.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Booting the British out of Palestine could have potentially made the Zionists Nazi allies of convenience since now the Nazis would finally have a place where they could deport all of the Jews under their rule to in very short order. The Jews would also benefit since this mass deportation of European Jews by the Nazis, unlike real life’s, won’t involve any mass murder.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Betar was gearing up for a war with the British in Palestine. The Polish State turned a blind eye to this 40,000 strong terrorist organisation.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  810. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Yes, a couple thousand of them. Not very much. And AFAIK with no offensive capabilities.
     
    If that, and those are recent, mostly rotational deployments - meaning they are not as efficient and coalesced with the rest of the allies (although there's been a lot of training recently). If Trump ever asked us to pay for them, it would not make any sense from the financial and military point of view - in fact, it would make sense to increase our own, cheaper troops who live and train on the spot continuously. Which is going to happen now anyway through reinstated conscription. Plus there are allied troops there of various nationalities.

    Of course, I will still say "thank you" even for these current US (and other) troops, but to blow it out of proportion and claim that there is some threat for Russia there, specifically from Americans, is a bit exaggerated. They simply don't like that they're there, but then again - we all may not like certain things, but have to live with them.

    But if Russia insists on being paranoid about them and getting them removed, then it should be prepared to make significant concessions of its own as well.
     
    The existing numbers would not make a big difference in a real war, but this conversation is moot now, after 2022 (there was very little trust to begin with and now it's completely gone). The key now is to raise our own, local troops and station / host mixed European allied troops. It would be cool to have pro-European E.Slavic troops but that's probably just my fantasies.

    There is a much larger number of RusFed troops in the region (except the ones who left to Ukraine from Pskov, but those will be redeployed back with time), plus a large exercise with Belarus, and I don't see how RusFed would've agreed to downsize them, as well as remove all the equipment / missiles they have nearby.

    This is why I asked about all animals being equal (or not - as usual) - is it just Ukraine and other neighbors who have to downsize (in an increasingly dangerous environment), or is RusFed going to downsize as well?

    Yes, limitations on NATO troops would need to be proportional to limitations on Russian troops nearby.
     
    Our own local troops are also technically NATO troops, and would still be that, even if there was not a single British or Dutch soldier there. But RusFed wanted us to limit the number of our own troops (limit the size of troops involved in training with Estonians - which is pretty offensive).


    Putin actually did blame Poland for not appeasing Hitler enough and thus helping to spark WWII in his interview with Tucker Carlson. Obviously, blame for WWII lies squarely with Hitler, but nevertheless, given just how badly WWII turned out for Polish Jews (90% of them ended up getting murdered by the Nazis), it’s entirely reasonable to ask whether the strategy that the Poles and the West pursued in regards to the Nazis was actually an optimal one.
     
    Blaming Poland for the Nazi invasion is considered a huge faux pas in polite European society (regardless of your alternate history musings 😊). So Putin demonstrated to everyone who he is and who he defends. To us this was never anything new, but the world knows now, too.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    If that, and those are recent, mostly rotational deployments – meaning they are not as efficient and coalesced with the rest of the allies (although there’s been a lot of training recently). If Trump ever asked us to pay for them, it would not make any sense from the financial and military point of view – in fact, it would make sense to increase our own, cheaper troops who live and train on the spot continuously. Which is going to happen now anyway through reinstated conscription. Plus there are allied troops there of various nationalities.

    The purpose of these US/NATO troops is simply to make it clear to Russia that there is no doubt at all that the US/NATO will go to war against Russia if Russia will ever attack the Baltics. In other words, the main purpose of these troops is signaling. Obviously they by themselves will never be enough to protect the Baltics from Russia; rather, the Baltics would have to subsequently be liberated from Russia in the event of an all-out NATO-Russia war.

    Of course, I will still say “thank you” even for these current US (and other) troops, but to blow it out of proportion and claim that there is some threat for Russia there, specifically from Americans, is a bit exaggerated. They simply don’t like that they’re there, but then again – we all may not like certain things, but have to live with them.

    Yep, the US did not like 11,000 Soviet troops and a Soviet radar station in Cuba during the later Cold War, but unlike with the Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962, refused to actually be willing to risk a war over this issue.

    The existing numbers would not make a big difference in a real war, but this conversation is moot now, after 2022 (there was very little trust to begin with and now it’s completely gone). The key now is to raise our own, local troops and station / host mixed European allied troops. It would be cool to have pro-European E.Slavic troops but that’s probably just my fantasies.

    There is a much larger number of RusFed troops in the region (except the ones who left to Ukraine from Pskov, but those will be redeployed back with time), plus a large exercise with Belarus, and I don’t see how RusFed would’ve agreed to downsize them, as well as remove all the equipment / missiles they have nearby.

    This is why I asked about all animals being equal (or not – as usual) – is it just Ukraine and other neighbors who have to downsize (in an increasingly dangerous environment), or is RusFed going to downsize as well?

    Pro-European East Slavic troops would be Ukrainians or Russian/Belarusian dissidents such as this battalion, no?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastu%C5%9B_Kalino%C5%ADski_Regiment

    Good idea for the Baltic countries to build up their own militaries, possibly with the Anglosphere’s and/or Poland’s help.

    And Yes, I completely agree with your point here about parity and all animals/countries/blocs needing to have equal treatment in regards to such matters. Unilateral disarmament is a sucker’s game that the West (or Russia itself, for that matter) will never be interested in.

    Our own local troops are also technically NATO troops, and would still be that, even if there was not a single British or Dutch soldier there. But RusFed wanted us to limit the number of our own troops (limit the size of troops involved in training with Estonians – which is pretty offensive).

    Where and when specifically did Russia ask you to limit the size of your own troops?

    BTW, your countries need many more people. Pro-natalism there on an extraordinarily massive scale would be extremely beneficial. 😉

    At least your countries won’t run out of burial space for a very long time, though. Are graves (as in, burial plots) in your countries leased for a couple of decades like in Germany, with one subsequently having the option of renewing this lease?

    Blaming Poland for the Nazi invasion is considered a huge faux pas in polite European society (regardless of your alternate history musings 😊). So Putin demonstrated to everyone who he is and who he defends. To us this was never anything new, but the world knows now, too.

    Well, I think that it was in bad taste of Putin to make the analogy because he himself would be playing the role of Hitler in this analogy. Obviously Danzig and the Polish Corridor weren’t worth a new World War over, in spite of Poland’s obstinance about these topics.

    I still think that it was a good idea for Poland to accept Hitler’s ultimatum, even if Hitler would have subsequently violated it, for these reasons, though:

    1. The Anglo-French can still go to war for Poland if Hitler subsequently violates this ultimatum
    2. It would be easier for the Anglo-French to get support for their war effort among US isolationists if they and Poland were more conciliatory in the run-up to the war
    3. The ultimatum itself wasn’t intolerable; Gdynia was guaranteed to remain Polish, along with an extraterritorial Polish road connecting Gdynia to the rest of Poland if Poland will lose the plebiscite in the Polish Corridor
    4. It would give more time for the Kindertransport to continue operating, thus allowing more vulnerable Jewish children to be successfully evacuated to the Anglosphere, such as Britain
    5. It would give the Anglo-French more time to rearm
    6. It could subsequently be used as a bargaining chip by the Anglo-French if France never falls after war breaks out to induce anti-Nazis in the German government and military to launch an anti-Nazi coup in Germany in exchange for them getting a status quo ante bellum peace for Germany (which will be more attractive in this scenario than in real life due to the Danzig and Polish Corridor questions being solved to Germany’s satisfaction before the outbreak of any war)
    7. If the Anglo-French strategy in point #6 will fail, any Polish concessions to Germany that were made before the war could always be revoked after the outbreak of the war, similar to how the Allies eventually revoked the Munich Agreement after WWII broke out in response to Nazi Germany’s extremely awful and outrageous behavior

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    The purpose of these US/NATO troops is simply to make it clear to Russia that there is no doubt at all that the US/NATO will go to war against Russia if Russia will ever attack the Baltics. In other words, the main purpose of these troops is signaling. [..] the Baltics would have to subsequently be liberated from Russia in the event of an all-out NATO-Russia war.
     
    No, that's outdated, the approach has been changed now to access denial (after 2022). So that's the goal now. And Americans will not be the main troops there.

    Yes, the Kastus Kalinouski regiment are great, but they are very busy.

    And Yes, I completely agree with your point here about parity and all animals/countries/blocs needing to have equal treatment in regards to such matters.
     
    Well, I was mostly using that as a rhetoric, there won't be equal treatment in a realistic world but there can be some sort of a balance and parity. The point was that you cannot view this in such a one sided way as to just demand that Ukraine give up territory. I'm not saying this because I'm pro-Ukraine, but because that's against the laws of Nature. You started the fight, man up and fight. That's what they're doing, incidentally (but also whining about "negotiations").

    Unilateral disarmament is a sucker’s game that the West (or Russia itself, for that matter) will never be interested in.
     
    Doubtful that it will happen (but it would be great if both US & Russia reduced their nuclear arsenals), most likely there will be a long term rearmament, maybe not to the levels of the (first) Cold War, since technology is different now.

    Where and when specifically did Russia ask you to limit the size of your own troops?
     
    In the December 2021 ultimatum. It's never been just about NATO. They want to have their cake and eat it, too (they want weak neighbors).

    BTW, your countries need many more people. Pro-natalism there on an extraordinarily massive scale would be extremely beneficial.
     
    They don't need just any people, besides, it is good to preserve the soil.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  811. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    I suspect that Trump’s popularity in Eastern Europe in his second term will fall off a cliff if he will announce a US withdrawal from NATO.
     
    I suspect his threats are a negotiating ploy to get the Europeans to pay more for defense.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Maybe. That said, though, it’s primarily the European countries who border Russia (and/or border the ex-USSR in general) who are going to be aggressively invested in doing this, and they’re already spending a lot of defense even right now:

    NATO countries that don’t border Russia obviously don’t and won’t feel anywhere near as passionately about spending more money on their own defense. Maybe that’s an argument for the US to no longer station its own troops in countries like Germany, though. What do you think?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    End the occupation on the Weser?

  812. @songbird
    Could this be a PIE game?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillidanda

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Kabbadi.

    American Farmers speak up for Sikhs:

    [MORE]

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R-sR6ziXhLY

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Agree: songbird
  813. @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    Booting the British out of Palestine could have potentially made the Zionists Nazi allies of convenience since now the Nazis would finally have a place where they could deport all of the Jews under their rule to in very short order. The Jews would also benefit since this mass deportation of European Jews by the Nazis, unlike real life's, won't involve any mass murder.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Betar was gearing up for a war with the British in Palestine. The Polish State turned a blind eye to this 40,000 strong terrorist organisation.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    I'm not very fond of Zionist terrorism, but frankly, European Jews really did need an immediate safe haven back then.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  814. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    If that, and those are recent, mostly rotational deployments – meaning they are not as efficient and coalesced with the rest of the allies (although there’s been a lot of training recently). If Trump ever asked us to pay for them, it would not make any sense from the financial and military point of view – in fact, it would make sense to increase our own, cheaper troops who live and train on the spot continuously. Which is going to happen now anyway through reinstated conscription. Plus there are allied troops there of various nationalities.

     

    The purpose of these US/NATO troops is simply to make it clear to Russia that there is no doubt at all that the US/NATO will go to war against Russia if Russia will ever attack the Baltics. In other words, the main purpose of these troops is signaling. Obviously they by themselves will never be enough to protect the Baltics from Russia; rather, the Baltics would have to subsequently be liberated from Russia in the event of an all-out NATO-Russia war.

    Of course, I will still say “thank you” even for these current US (and other) troops, but to blow it out of proportion and claim that there is some threat for Russia there, specifically from Americans, is a bit exaggerated. They simply don’t like that they’re there, but then again – we all may not like certain things, but have to live with them.
     
    Yep, the US did not like 11,000 Soviet troops and a Soviet radar station in Cuba during the later Cold War, but unlike with the Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962, refused to actually be willing to risk a war over this issue.

    The existing numbers would not make a big difference in a real war, but this conversation is moot now, after 2022 (there was very little trust to begin with and now it’s completely gone). The key now is to raise our own, local troops and station / host mixed European allied troops. It would be cool to have pro-European E.Slavic troops but that’s probably just my fantasies.

    There is a much larger number of RusFed troops in the region (except the ones who left to Ukraine from Pskov, but those will be redeployed back with time), plus a large exercise with Belarus, and I don’t see how RusFed would’ve agreed to downsize them, as well as remove all the equipment / missiles they have nearby.

    This is why I asked about all animals being equal (or not – as usual) – is it just Ukraine and other neighbors who have to downsize (in an increasingly dangerous environment), or is RusFed going to downsize as well?
     

    Pro-European East Slavic troops would be Ukrainians or Russian/Belarusian dissidents such as this battalion, no?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastu%C5%9B_Kalino%C5%ADski_Regiment

    Good idea for the Baltic countries to build up their own militaries, possibly with the Anglosphere's and/or Poland's help.

    And Yes, I completely agree with your point here about parity and all animals/countries/blocs needing to have equal treatment in regards to such matters. Unilateral disarmament is a sucker's game that the West (or Russia itself, for that matter) will never be interested in.


    Our own local troops are also technically NATO troops, and would still be that, even if there was not a single British or Dutch soldier there. But RusFed wanted us to limit the number of our own troops (limit the size of troops involved in training with Estonians – which is pretty offensive).

     

    Where and when specifically did Russia ask you to limit the size of your own troops?

    BTW, your countries need many more people. Pro-natalism there on an extraordinarily massive scale would be extremely beneficial. ;)

    At least your countries won't run out of burial space for a very long time, though. Are graves (as in, burial plots) in your countries leased for a couple of decades like in Germany, with one subsequently having the option of renewing this lease?


    Blaming Poland for the Nazi invasion is considered a huge faux pas in polite European society (regardless of your alternate history musings 😊). So Putin demonstrated to everyone who he is and who he defends. To us this was never anything new, but the world knows now, too.

     

    Well, I think that it was in bad taste of Putin to make the analogy because he himself would be playing the role of Hitler in this analogy. Obviously Danzig and the Polish Corridor weren't worth a new World War over, in spite of Poland's obstinance about these topics.

    I still think that it was a good idea for Poland to accept Hitler's ultimatum, even if Hitler would have subsequently violated it, for these reasons, though:

    1. The Anglo-French can still go to war for Poland if Hitler subsequently violates this ultimatum
    2. It would be easier for the Anglo-French to get support for their war effort among US isolationists if they and Poland were more conciliatory in the run-up to the war
    3. The ultimatum itself wasn't intolerable; Gdynia was guaranteed to remain Polish, along with an extraterritorial Polish road connecting Gdynia to the rest of Poland if Poland will lose the plebiscite in the Polish Corridor
    4. It would give more time for the Kindertransport to continue operating, thus allowing more vulnerable Jewish children to be successfully evacuated to the Anglosphere, such as Britain
    5. It would give the Anglo-French more time to rearm
    6. It could subsequently be used as a bargaining chip by the Anglo-French if France never falls after war breaks out to induce anti-Nazis in the German government and military to launch an anti-Nazi coup in Germany in exchange for them getting a status quo ante bellum peace for Germany (which will be more attractive in this scenario than in real life due to the Danzig and Polish Corridor questions being solved to Germany's satisfaction before the outbreak of any war)
    7. If the Anglo-French strategy in point #6 will fail, any Polish concessions to Germany that were made before the war could always be revoked after the outbreak of the war, similar to how the Allies eventually revoked the Munich Agreement after WWII broke out in response to Nazi Germany's extremely awful and outrageous behavior

    Replies: @LatW

    The purpose of these US/NATO troops is simply to make it clear to Russia that there is no doubt at all that the US/NATO will go to war against Russia if Russia will ever attack the Baltics. In other words, the main purpose of these troops is signaling. [..] the Baltics would have to subsequently be liberated from Russia in the event of an all-out NATO-Russia war.

    No, that’s outdated, the approach has been changed now to access denial (after 2022). So that’s the goal now. And Americans will not be the main troops there.

    [MORE]

    Yes, the Kastus Kalinouski regiment are great, but they are very busy.

    And Yes, I completely agree with your point here about parity and all animals/countries/blocs needing to have equal treatment in regards to such matters.

    Well, I was mostly using that as a rhetoric, there won’t be equal treatment in a realistic world but there can be some sort of a balance and parity. The point was that you cannot view this in such a one sided way as to just demand that Ukraine give up territory. I’m not saying this because I’m pro-Ukraine, but because that’s against the laws of Nature. You started the fight, man up and fight. That’s what they’re doing, incidentally (but also whining about “negotiations”).

    Unilateral disarmament is a sucker’s game that the West (or Russia itself, for that matter) will never be interested in.

    Doubtful that it will happen (but it would be great if both US & Russia reduced their nuclear arsenals), most likely there will be a long term rearmament, maybe not to the levels of the (first) Cold War, since technology is different now.

    Where and when specifically did Russia ask you to limit the size of your own troops?

    In the December 2021 ultimatum. It’s never been just about NATO. They want to have their cake and eat it, too (they want weak neighbors).

    BTW, your countries need many more people. Pro-natalism there on an extraordinarily massive scale would be extremely beneficial.

    They don’t need just any people, besides, it is good to preserve the soil.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    No, that’s outdated, the approach has been changed now to access denial (after 2022). So that’s the goal now. And Americans will not be the main troops there.

     

    Well, they should beware a Russian attack through the Suwalki Corridor:

    https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Suwalki-Corridor.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=400&sig=bVe3ymNjRx4VFVWtYS5BZQ

    Yes, the Kastus Kalinouski regiment are great, but they are very busy.

     

    They will be less busy after the Ukraine War will be over, whenever that might be. ;)

    Well, I was mostly using that as a rhetoric, there won’t be equal treatment in a realistic world but there can be some sort of a balance and parity. The point was that you cannot view this in such a one sided way as to just demand that Ukraine give up territory. I’m not saying this because I’m pro-Ukraine, but because that’s against the laws of Nature. You started the fight, man up and fight. That’s what they’re doing, incidentally (but also whining about “negotiations”).

     

    Well, if I was a Ukrainian, I'd be willing to agree to UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for immediate NATO membership. But that's not on the table at this point in time, so ...

    Doubtful that it will happen (but it would be great if both US & Russia reduced their nuclear arsenals), most likely there will be a long term rearmament, maybe not to the levels of the (first) Cold War, since technology is different now.

     

    Agree. And China might also participate in this rearmament race.

    Honestly, I suspect that there will be people who will say that the West should have let Russia have Ukraine back in 2013-2014 in exchange for much greater Russian cooperation against China. The West already has enough high human capital as it is even without Ukraine, after all.

    In the December 2021 ultimatum. It’s never been just about NATO. They want to have their cake and eat it, too (they want weak neighbors).

     

    Thanks!

    They don’t need just any people, besides, it is good to preserve the soil.

     

    I meant eugenically breed much more of your own people!

    Replies: @LatW

  815. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    The purpose of these US/NATO troops is simply to make it clear to Russia that there is no doubt at all that the US/NATO will go to war against Russia if Russia will ever attack the Baltics. In other words, the main purpose of these troops is signaling. [..] the Baltics would have to subsequently be liberated from Russia in the event of an all-out NATO-Russia war.
     
    No, that's outdated, the approach has been changed now to access denial (after 2022). So that's the goal now. And Americans will not be the main troops there.

    Yes, the Kastus Kalinouski regiment are great, but they are very busy.

    And Yes, I completely agree with your point here about parity and all animals/countries/blocs needing to have equal treatment in regards to such matters.
     
    Well, I was mostly using that as a rhetoric, there won't be equal treatment in a realistic world but there can be some sort of a balance and parity. The point was that you cannot view this in such a one sided way as to just demand that Ukraine give up territory. I'm not saying this because I'm pro-Ukraine, but because that's against the laws of Nature. You started the fight, man up and fight. That's what they're doing, incidentally (but also whining about "negotiations").

    Unilateral disarmament is a sucker’s game that the West (or Russia itself, for that matter) will never be interested in.
     
    Doubtful that it will happen (but it would be great if both US & Russia reduced their nuclear arsenals), most likely there will be a long term rearmament, maybe not to the levels of the (first) Cold War, since technology is different now.

    Where and when specifically did Russia ask you to limit the size of your own troops?
     
    In the December 2021 ultimatum. It's never been just about NATO. They want to have their cake and eat it, too (they want weak neighbors).

    BTW, your countries need many more people. Pro-natalism there on an extraordinarily massive scale would be extremely beneficial.
     
    They don't need just any people, besides, it is good to preserve the soil.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    No, that’s outdated, the approach has been changed now to access denial (after 2022). So that’s the goal now. And Americans will not be the main troops there.

    Well, they should beware a Russian attack through the Suwalki Corridor:

    Yes, the Kastus Kalinouski regiment are great, but they are very busy.

    They will be less busy after the Ukraine War will be over, whenever that might be. 😉

    Well, I was mostly using that as a rhetoric, there won’t be equal treatment in a realistic world but there can be some sort of a balance and parity. The point was that you cannot view this in such a one sided way as to just demand that Ukraine give up territory. I’m not saying this because I’m pro-Ukraine, but because that’s against the laws of Nature. You started the fight, man up and fight. That’s what they’re doing, incidentally (but also whining about “negotiations”).

    Well, if I was a Ukrainian, I’d be willing to agree to UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for immediate NATO membership. But that’s not on the table at this point in time, so …

    Doubtful that it will happen (but it would be great if both US & Russia reduced their nuclear arsenals), most likely there will be a long term rearmament, maybe not to the levels of the (first) Cold War, since technology is different now.

    Agree. And China might also participate in this rearmament race.

    Honestly, I suspect that there will be people who will say that the West should have let Russia have Ukraine back in 2013-2014 in exchange for much greater Russian cooperation against China. The West already has enough high human capital as it is even without Ukraine, after all.

    In the December 2021 ultimatum. It’s never been just about NATO. They want to have their cake and eat it, too (they want weak neighbors).

    Thanks!

    They don’t need just any people, besides, it is good to preserve the soil.

    I meant eugenically breed much more of your own people!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, if I was a Ukrainian, I’d be willing to agree to UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for immediate NATO membership. But that’s not on the table at this point in time, so …
     
    Most of them do not agree with that. The sovereignty of the country is more important than NATO membership. And they will have closer cooperation with the West either way (see the recent visits with the heads of Germany & France).

    I suspect that there will be people who will say that the West should have let Russia have Ukraine back in 2013-2014 in exchange for much greater Russian cooperation against China.
     
    How would the West be able to stop Russia from cooperating with China even if Ukraine was in their orbit..? Besides, you can't really pass countries around like that anymore. The West can't just "have Russia have Ukraine" when Ukraine doesn't want to be had by Russia. In 2014 the Western help was limited.

    I meant eugenically breed much more of your own people!
     
    Hypergamy of a beautiful woman is the best eugenicist. But most important is love, and everyone should be loved.
  816. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Betar was gearing up for a war with the British in Palestine. The Polish State turned a blind eye to this 40,000 strong terrorist organisation.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I’m not very fond of Zionist terrorism, but frankly, European Jews really did need an immediate safe haven back then.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. XYZ

    When the Jews moved to Poland it was their safe haven. Everywhere the Jews move into it's because they weren't safe where they were before. How come they always have to move?

    That is a rhetorical question. I have no desire to open that can of worms.

    Replies: @AP

  817. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    No, that’s outdated, the approach has been changed now to access denial (after 2022). So that’s the goal now. And Americans will not be the main troops there.

     

    Well, they should beware a Russian attack through the Suwalki Corridor:

    https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Suwalki-Corridor.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=400&sig=bVe3ymNjRx4VFVWtYS5BZQ

    Yes, the Kastus Kalinouski regiment are great, but they are very busy.

     

    They will be less busy after the Ukraine War will be over, whenever that might be. ;)

    Well, I was mostly using that as a rhetoric, there won’t be equal treatment in a realistic world but there can be some sort of a balance and parity. The point was that you cannot view this in such a one sided way as to just demand that Ukraine give up territory. I’m not saying this because I’m pro-Ukraine, but because that’s against the laws of Nature. You started the fight, man up and fight. That’s what they’re doing, incidentally (but also whining about “negotiations”).

     

    Well, if I was a Ukrainian, I'd be willing to agree to UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for immediate NATO membership. But that's not on the table at this point in time, so ...

    Doubtful that it will happen (but it would be great if both US & Russia reduced their nuclear arsenals), most likely there will be a long term rearmament, maybe not to the levels of the (first) Cold War, since technology is different now.

     

    Agree. And China might also participate in this rearmament race.

    Honestly, I suspect that there will be people who will say that the West should have let Russia have Ukraine back in 2013-2014 in exchange for much greater Russian cooperation against China. The West already has enough high human capital as it is even without Ukraine, after all.

    In the December 2021 ultimatum. It’s never been just about NATO. They want to have their cake and eat it, too (they want weak neighbors).

     

    Thanks!

    They don’t need just any people, besides, it is good to preserve the soil.

     

    I meant eugenically breed much more of your own people!

    Replies: @LatW

    Well, if I was a Ukrainian, I’d be willing to agree to UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for immediate NATO membership. But that’s not on the table at this point in time, so …

    Most of them do not agree with that. The sovereignty of the country is more important than NATO membership. And they will have closer cooperation with the West either way (see the recent visits with the heads of Germany & France).

    I suspect that there will be people who will say that the West should have let Russia have Ukraine back in 2013-2014 in exchange for much greater Russian cooperation against China.

    How would the West be able to stop Russia from cooperating with China even if Ukraine was in their orbit..? Besides, you can’t really pass countries around like that anymore. The West can’t just “have Russia have Ukraine” when Ukraine doesn’t want to be had by Russia. In 2014 the Western help was limited.

    [MORE]

    I meant eugenically breed much more of your own people!

    Hypergamy of a beautiful woman is the best eugenicist. But most important is love, and everyone should be loved.

  818. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Russia did have designs to integrate Ukraine: That's what the CIS, SES, and EEU were for. It simply initially hoped to do so peacefully, without destroying its relations with the West in the process.

    Anyway, it could have indeed made sense on the West's part to say that they won't accept countries with active territorial disputes into NATO without formally abandoning NATO's open door policy (so, Finland, Sweden, et cetera would have no obstacles to their NATO membership). Something like a commitment to remove its infrastructure from Eastern Europe could have been reasonable as well but only if Russia would have engaged in arms limitations of its own within its own territory, such as removing its nuclear missiles from Kaliningrad. And in exchange for all of this, such as having the US withdraw all of its troops from the Baltics, Poland, et cetera, NATO would insist on major concessions from Russia in regards to China, such as ending or at least massively scaling back the level of Russo-Chinese military cooperation and possibly Russo-Chinese trade of vital materials such as oil as well, at least in the event of a future war between China and the US and/or one or more US allies. Would Russia actually be interested in all of that?

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer

    such as removing its nuclear missiles from Kaliningrad.

    Those are military bases on Russian territory, and nobody can dictate to other country as to where to relocate its military hardware. What should be abolished, at least half of the US military bases on foreign soils. NATO’s no.1 enemy is Russia although the block was established against the communist ideology. Communist ideology in Europe collapsed “we won the cold war” the hypocrites kept bragging about. Now we know it was not ideology (China is tolerated) it was the hate of Slavic ethnicity.

    Mussolini as a Hitler’s mentor and friend unequivocally expressed this hate by: “When dealing with such a race as Slavic – inferior and barbarian – we must not pursue the carrot, but the stick policy … We should not be afraid of new victims … The Italian border should run across the Brenner Pass, Monte Nevoso and the Dinaric Alps … I would say we can easily sacrifice 500,000 barbaric Slavs for 50,000 Italians …—Benito Mussolini, speech held in Pula, 20 September 1920.

  819. Mussolini as a Hitler’s mentor and friend unequivocally expressed this hate…

    Is this from a speech made by Mussolini 2 years after the end of WW1 where the Italians had just lost ~750,000 men fighting the Germano-Slavic Austrian army for possession of various contested territories, and there was still the ongoing conflict around Fiume about what the final border with Yugoslavia would be?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Coconuts

    It was in that context. Mussolini made the speech in Istria given to Italy after WW1 - he wanted a lot more, Fiume and Dalmatia. After WW2 Istria was given to Croatia.

    Italian fascism was a direct outgrowth of the dispute between Italy and Yugoslavia over who gets Dalmatia. The rich Italians funded fascism to suppress socialism. It had nothing to do with Jews. Fascism was originally conceived as "national unity" (that's what it means) - it adopted the one-nation idea from UK and Germany's conservative Bismarck reforms (pensions, etc...).

    Fascism was an attempt by the more nationally oriented rich people and people they sponsored (like Mussolini) to provide social benefits and stability for lower classes without losing the ownership of most assets. It worked quite well in that area - FDR and post-WW2 Western 'boom' were based on the same one-nation idea.

    It has fallen apart in the last few decades: there is no concept of a "nation" in liberal globalism, so why care? More importantly the fear of actual "socialism" Is gone. Why pacify with social goodies people who don't ask for it and have been trained to hate "socialism", too stupid to act in their own self-interest?

    It is actually kind of brilliant, and all it took is some good story-telling and lots of money...and the realization that most people are very stupid. So they get the shaft...

    Replies: @Coconuts

  820. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Maybe. That said, though, it's primarily the European countries who border Russia (and/or border the ex-USSR in general) who are going to be aggressively invested in doing this, and they're already spending a lot of defense even right now:

    https://img.semafor.com/1252f0d9de7553a798babb0797ff6669272afdc1-1106x1330.png

    NATO countries that don't border Russia obviously don't and won't feel anywhere near as passionately about spending more money on their own defense. Maybe that's an argument for the US to no longer station its own troops in countries like Germany, though. What do you think?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    End the occupation on the Weser?

  821. @songbird
    @AP


    So Canada’s is the same as America’s?
     
    70% of Canada's population lives in an enclave, below the 49th Parallel, created by the heat sink of the Great Lakes. They are closer to the corn than I am. Near such top-producing corn states as Minnesota.

    Only they call it glucose-fructose over there.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    French actually outnumber Anglos in Canada, especially E of Manitoba.
    Explains everything.

  822. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    I've never been convinced that Biden used fraud and chicanery in winning the last election. It was gone over in quite a bit of detail here in AZ, and nothing was found -0-. Biden's time is about up, I don't think he'll score another election victory. Everybody knows that he's just too old to hang around.

    I know that you enjoy good political humor, what do you think about this one, or Russia's intent to nuclearize space?

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/18859859_web1_web_RAMclr-021724-russia-nuke-SAT-EXTRA.jpg?resize=720,480

    I thought this one was pretty good too:

    https://www.michaelpramirez.com/uploads/3/4/9/8/34985326/mrz021524-color-copy-jpg-900kb_orig.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Ramirez is a fucking weirdo.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    He's a Pulitzer prize winning political cartoonist with millions of people reading his output. Besides drawing brilliant cartoons, did you know that he also writes many political essays too? His abilities to influence many minds is prolific. How about you, are you getting a lot of traction with your brilliant commentary here at UNZ? Here' one that I think that AP might appreciate:

    https://www.presstelegram.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/mrz101021dAPR-1.jpg?w=620

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  823. @LatW
    @Coconuts


    Suffragettes were the radical wing of the women’s suffrage movement who accepted the need for violent direct action
     
    It seems like many of these newly born movements / ideologies at the time had a paramilitary component and a "direct action" wing. It might be because at that initial stage the movement has more vitality (but also more obstacles to be overcome as it grows into the world right after the birthing and tries to gain its place under the sun).

    Apart from votes for women they seem to have had some other interests relating to the health of the race and things like that.
     
    Afaik, the original suffragette movement had something to do with limiting the use of alcohol - so this may have been something to do with women wanting their husbands to drink less or, more likely, to limit the negative effects of male alcoholism on women. So the original cause was noble. :)

    Have you come across Mosley’s wife, Diana?
     
    Yes, I had noticed her before (lucky girl!), but I didn't know she was a writer, I can understand their connection though.

    Btw, I've been really enjoying Drieu. Beautiful language and great themes, he really idealizes the "old masculine virtues" and there is a great temptation to go with that flow, however, one must acknowledge that it is too idealized. Uncannily, some of these themes have been on my mind a lot lately, whilst thinking about the war.

    The central idea of the body being separated from the spirit and soul via civilization, in an almost unnatural way, is also very interesting. It's an eternal theme and I like how he places it in an anthropological setting involving the Middle Ages and modern European history. I've thought of this as well with regards to paganism, there may have been several of these "separations" throughout European history (he mentions this having happened already with Plato), with the last one culminating in the urbanization of the 19th-20th century (which he is the most critical of). But we see today with the ongoing "gender" politics that the overcoming of the "body" is still very much in the center of things.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I’ve been really enjoying Drieu. Beautiful language and great themes, he really idealizes the “old masculine virtues” and there is a great temptation to go with that flow, however, one must acknowledge that it is too idealized. Uncannily, some of these themes have been on my mind a lot lately, whilst thinking about the war.

    [MORE]

    I am pleased, strangely I was re-reading it yesterday myself, getting it ready to upload it to Amazon’s print on demand service. The guy at Imperium Press seemed to be interested when I first discussed it with him, but when I sent the completed version he was much vaguer. I thought in the meantime I would try this Amazon route, if it takes Imperium many months to decide.

    I would say Drieu’s writing has this effect because it’s also become a topic I have been thinking about myself lately; you find it as a theme through a lot of his work, in the novels and the political writings, where he considers it from different angles. He has the idea of war and its spiritual and personal significance, and war and its relationship to love and relations between men and women.

    It’s also a challenging topic, I think Drieu didn’t reach any easy conclusions, except maybe as WW2 developed he became more interested in thinking about spiritual transcendence, and in his last writing this becomes a bigger theme.

    I remember when I first started spending time in Belarus years ago, I was surprised by seeing certain things, like soldiers carrying weapons mixed with ordinary people on the train, or young cadets marching in uniform. Even though it was a kind of authoritarian regime, there was some feeling of freedom that I didn’t experience in Britain (and I suddenly understood why having children would be good, another weird thing). At the same time I remember thinking that there might be more risk of a war in the region at some point (this was around 2012-13), assuming Russia and Ukraine had similar cultures.

    Recently I was in Amsterdam and visited the Rijksmuseum, last time I visited I was around 17. It is nicely refurbished, but you start the visit in the medieval period and with an exhibition of weapons and ascend through the ages to Van Gogh’s era, I think I was partly seeing things through the influence of Drieu, which was sort of moving. Drieu had this thing about Van Gogh, as one of the heralds of the rebirth of the youthful spirit of the Middle Ages, the last novel he was working on before he died in 1945 was based on Van Gogh’s life.

    The thing about the body and spirit is another interesting topic. I remember becoming interested in Orthodox theology and Aristotle at the same time as I started lifting weights (this would be in the 2000s). I suspect because they are both more embodied, there isn’t the nature vs. grace opposition that you can find in Western Christianity, which also might be somehow linked to the abstract spirit that is in Kantian ethics.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Coconuts


    strangely I was re-reading it yesterday myself
     
    I'm only half way through, I'm re-reading parts of it, because some of it sounds almost like poetry and is very pleasant to dwell on.

    Imperium Press
     
    Of course, this one is great, but I was wondering if Drieu is a bit too poetic and romantic for them? They seem to be carrying really straightforward, hardcore titles. I'm not sure, I might be wrong (personally, I believe he would fit great there, same as with Arktos).

    He has the idea of war and its spiritual and personal significance
     
    I was thinking that because he had that shocking experience himself (where he was almost blown up), that it would cause him to become pacifist. But it seems to have enriched him in a deep way (kind of a dark and light combining). This is probably where a right wing writer differs from others. It is interesting that we think of the war as a collective thing that annihilates individuality, but it is also fascinating what happens with the person in this context, how the person grows and changes.

    and war and its relationship to love and relations between men and women.
     
    Through this strange fascination, I've always thought that war elevates the male, but recently I've realized that it elevates both (or rather emphasizes each in their own way - and also elevates some individuals). Of course, it elevates some males at the expense of others (which is horrific).

    I was listening to an interview with one Ukrainian nationalist who is now very active on the frontlines, he was saying that when the war broke out he had to convince his wife and small children to be taken to safety, they initially objected, but once they saw the actual horror, they realized that their father had been right and that they now listen to this young father more. And he himself has changed from a boy into a real man in just a few years. But of course the brunt on the women as well has been tremendous, ever since 2014 already.


    I remember when I first started spending time in Belarus years ago, I was surprised by seeing certain things, like soldiers carrying weapons mixed with ordinary people on the train, or young cadets marching in uniform.
     
    Belarus is, of course, a somewhat highly militarized society (it is a party to this war, unfortunately). But this was the case also in Latvia, way back, this trend was still felt all the way into late 1990s and early 2000s. It might come back, but in a new form, what I'm seeing thus far, I do not dislike. If you really think about it, it's really just a continuation of what our forefathers also used to do and how they used to be.

    and I suddenly understood why having children would be good, another weird thing
     
    Children are important (and women know this instinctively), but in the context of war this becomes more acute. Traditionally for E.Slavs (and also for Latgalians) this is different than for the typical European who has more luxuries about this. It seems there are two different urges inspired by war - one is the urge to breed, but there is another thing in Lithuanian history - mass suicide - when they saw that they were about to be overrun by the enemy, they killed themselves so as not to become slaves and not to indulge the enemy in spoils, or some Latvian tribes that burned down their own castle and retreated into Lithuania. So there are two instincts at play there - eros and thanatos. In this war... we see the latter more... death is everywhere now. Of course, death always walks step to step with life, but death is very close now.

    At the same time I remember thinking that there might be more risk of a war in the region at some point (this was around 2012-13), assuming Russia and Ukraine had similar cultures.
     
    This was known by quite a few in Ukraine (they felt it), so this stereotype of Ukrainians being caught aghast, maybe some were, but the nationalists knew long before what was going to happen. Same as our nationalist knew since the 1990s.

    Btw, this bothers many people, most people don't like it... understandably, so.


    Recently I was in Amsterdam and visited the Rijksmuseum, last time I visited I was around 17. It is nicely refurbished, but you start the visit in the medieval period and with an exhibition of weapons and ascend through the ages to Van Gogh’s era
     
    That sounds awesome, I'm glad they've refurbished it, must be magnificent. That's a large art museum, I'm sure the medieval period section is amazing. In my 20s I used to visit a lot of smaller specifically war museums, especially in Scandinavia and places such as UK & Belgium. I remember the one in Stockholm - the Swedish Army museum - it was different because they had decided to start the exposition with a display of a group of chimps fighting, with animalistic background sounds. It was unexpected, I walked in expecting to see something noble right away, so it was a bit different but I immediately understood what they were trying to say and why they wanted to put the visitors on pause. But again, they are lefties... sigh. The rest of it was good, however...

    Drieu had this thing about Van Gogh, as one of the heralds of the rebirth of the youthful spirit of the Middle Ages, the last novel he was working on before he died in 1945 was based on Van Gogh’s life.
     
    Interesting. I've been to the Van Gogh exhibition in Amsterdam, long time ago (it is together with Gauguin). Tbh, the spirit of the Middle Ages seems more optimistic than that of Van Gogh, including how it was painted by Drieu. But again, as I read that, and fully sharing in his admiration for the wholesome aspects of that period, I can't help but think of the toll that this took on some of the people.. similarly to the contrast I experience between these fascinating and exalting themes of war and the real war that's taking place right now... I follow a lot of those individuals and it's now visible how they've changed, what they're going through, I feel very conflicted.

    I remember becoming interested in Orthodox theology and Aristotle at the same time as I started lifting weights (this would be in the 2000s).
     
    That's interesting, those two are quite different. To me, Aristotle is much more dear and easier to relate to than Orthodoxy (which seemed very alienating and, frankly, creepy to me before the Ukrainian people came into picture). And I've seen young men who lift weights be really into paganism (but largely the masculine side of it).

    I suspect because they are both more embodied, there isn’t the nature vs. grace opposition that you can find in Western Christianity, which also might be somehow linked to the abstract spirit that is in Kantian ethics.
     
    The Kantian ethics is a whole edifice, a purposefully built complex structure, to place ethics on a formal, idealistic foundation. To prove that ethics are rational, that they have a rational source of legitimacy. It is directly connected and in fact derived from his foundation of formal rationality, from the Critique of Pure Reason. And connected to the Christian God. One can say the origin is in Plato's forms (original European idealism) and it moves as a long continuous line throughout history of thought. And this is the main object of Nietzsche's ire. Largely because of the separation from the body, from life itself, what Nietzsche could've called a separation from "earthliness" or from the authentic nature of the man. And it resonates with European paganism here as well, as a call to return to one's Mother (or one's origins). But I think paganism has both of these - it is both "embodied", spiritual and also contains philosophical, rational (or cosmic) forms.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  824. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Ramirez is a fucking weirdo.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    He’s a Pulitzer prize winning political cartoonist with millions of people reading his output. Besides drawing brilliant cartoons, did you know that he also writes many political essays too? His abilities to influence many minds is prolific. How about you, are you getting a lot of traction with your brilliant commentary here at UNZ? Here’ one that I think that AP might appreciate:

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    He influences practically nothing. Smug system friendly is a good descriptor.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  825. @LatW
    @A123


    What are you looking for?
     
    I have enough tact to not bargain with another people's territory, but let me just leave that in the competence of the Russian Volunteer Corps.

    Replies: @A123, @Ennui

    I have enough tact to not bargain with another people’s territory, but let me just leave that in the competence of the Russian Volunteer Corps.

    I am having trouble following this suggestion. Why do you want Russian and Ukrainian and Russia “Volunteer Corps” to bargain? That does not sound terribly effective. What authority do they have to sign an agreement? How would it be enforced?

    It would make more sense for the actual sovereign governments to bargain. Unfortunately, the Kiev regime refuses to do so. Ukrainians badly need new leaders who will represent them, not the European Empire.

    PEACE 😇

  826. @AnonfromTN
    Early tomorrow morning I am off to Russia via Istanbul. Turkish airlines fly directly from Chicago to Istanbul w/o stopover in Europe, so I won’t be in any of the madhouses and no lemmings will get any of my money for their services. Will be back (again, via Istanbul avoiding Europe) on March 7th.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Yes, you informed us yesterday that you were in Istanbul. Is this only a short stop, or did you see some of the sights? Before the Russian inspired war, I had serious thoughts about visiting at least Moscow. Now, I doubt that I’ll ever visit Russia in the future. Turkey though, is certainly still on my bucket list…

  827. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Years of Kiev aggression against Russian ethnics had taken its toll.

    Which year would you say was the worst and why?

    Had the aggression peaked before the war?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Of course, our misguided resident kremlin stooge will never answer your very direct questions, because there’s nothing to his claims, all fueled by years of his disgusting habit of the inhalation of model glue vapors. His favorite mantra is “Kiev aggression” substituting Ukraine’s God given rights to defend its borders from outside aggression, for some self devised fantasies of his own device.

  828. @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    I'm not very fond of Zionist terrorism, but frankly, European Jews really did need an immediate safe haven back then.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    When the Jews moved to Poland it was their safe haven. Everywhere the Jews move into it’s because they weren’t safe where they were before. How come they always have to move?

    That is a rhetorical question. I have no desire to open that can of worms.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Market minority problems. Chinese have had similar problems in Southeast Asia, Armenians in Turkey, etc. A very early example may have been Greeks in pre-Islamic Egypt.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

  829. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Was this an “existential struggle” for the Russian Federation in December 2021 as well?
     
    The way they saw it was that Nato was moving to Ukraine and the Ukies were ruled by a hostile Russia-hating government - and even many Ukies were like that. That is "existential".

    Was it true? They believed it. That's all that matters, we don't decide for them.

    After 2 years of war, Ukies and Nato showed that Russia suspected it correctly: Merkel-Hollande boasting about how they "tricked Russia", Nato's full commitment to the war on Russia, many Ukies fighting to the last..it is now more existential.


    ...This is typically a complete capitulation scenario.
     
    Right, it looks like Russia will insist. Kiev's best shot now is that the Ukie army over-performs, maybe some magical new weapons, great courage, luck...if not they will eventually have to capitulate.

    Life is not that complex, this was entirely predictable. But Nato and Kiev wanted something else so they are fighting desperately to prevent the inevitable. It has been done before in history - usually people feel pretty stupid about it afterwards, the surviving Ukies will too...but Nato no, they will just move on.

    Replies: @AP

    The way they saw it was that Nato was moving to Ukraine and the Ukies were ruled by a hostile Russia-hating government – and even many Ukies were like that. That is “existential”.

    Was it true? They believed it.

    Who believed it? The political elite? Lol.

    Do you also believe that in 2002-2003 the American elite truly believed that Saddam Hussein was an existential threat to the USA, that he was on the verge of obtaining nukes, and that he was working with bin Laden?

    This is the type of idiocy they put on TV to gain support (or lesson resistance) among low-information masses to their adventures. Ensnaring gullible, and/or self-hating Westerners is a bonus.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...did the American elite truly believed that Saddam Hussein was an existential threat to the USA?
     
    Many believed it because US defines "existential threat" extremely low - a band with few guns in a remote jungle in Latin America has been called an existential threat. Enough Americans buy it.

    The belief that Nato in Ukraine is an "existential threat" is a much more rational idea. You try to compare incomparable, or what is only superficially similar. In addition to poor critical thinking you also display a lack of context...where is Iraq and Ukraine? what languages and cultures do they have?

    I will give you that Russians learned from the US-UK and how they did Iraq, Serbia and other wars. They observed and saw that total b..shit can be sold to people and there are no consequences. Without that lesson there would be no war in Ukraine. But the cause for Russia was an order of magnitude more existential. The other difference is that they will stick it out and win.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    that he was on the verge of obtaining nukes,
     
    That part I suspect might have actually been believed by the US political elites. I mean, Muammar Gaddafi's nuclear weapons program was more advanced than realized until he gave it up in 2003 (he probably regretted giving it up in 2011).

    I do suspect that some of the US's elite human capital supported the Iraq War in order to create a shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East to serve as a counter to both authoritarianism and Islamic fundamentalism there.
  830. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. XYZ

    When the Jews moved to Poland it was their safe haven. Everywhere the Jews move into it's because they weren't safe where they were before. How come they always have to move?

    That is a rhetorical question. I have no desire to open that can of worms.

    Replies: @AP

    Market minority problems. Chinese have had similar problems in Southeast Asia, Armenians in Turkey, etc. A very early example may have been Greeks in pre-Islamic Egypt.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AP

    You have work to do. Your large language model has not yet solved sarz.

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=sarz

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Well, I think that pre-19th century European hatred of Jews was more religious in nature, but after Jewish emancipation occurred, Yeah, European gentiles might have hated Jews for being smarter and more successful than they themselves were. Though even back then, there was also already a dislike of Jews for spreading leftism. German nationalist Heinrich Class's 1912 book If I Were the Kaiser explicitly criticizes German Jews for this, IIRC. And this was before the start of World War I!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  831. @AnonfromTN
    Early tomorrow morning I am off to Russia via Istanbul. Turkish airlines fly directly from Chicago to Istanbul w/o stopover in Europe, so I won’t be in any of the madhouses and no lemmings will get any of my money for their services. Will be back (again, via Istanbul avoiding Europe) on March 7th.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Royal Morocco Air flights are cheaper. And the airline pays for the hotel and meals during the long layover.

  832. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    I know that when my daughter graduated from high school in AZ, there were two commencement addresses at the graduation ceremony, one in English and the other in Spanish. In contrast, banderite Ukieland completely abolished the use of any languages except Ukrainian.

    But the language Nazism of banderite Ukieland is so obvious that only a liar would not see it.


    Because it took assets from a terror state that invaded another country?
     
    That is addressed in comment #774. I can say only this: if the West steals Russian assets, nobody would ever trust their assets to any imperial cocksucker. That's why they are afraid to steal. Besides, the holder of ~190 billion of Russian Central Bank money, Belgian company Euroclear, is against this theft for reasons they explained clearly enough.

    Replies: @AP

    I know that when my daughter graduated from high school in AZ, there were two commencement addresses at the graduation ceremony, one in English and the other in Spanish. In contrast, banderite Ukieland completely abolished the use of any languages except Ukrainian.

    So, any Spanish-language public schools in Arizona? Yes or no?

    Arizona:

    https://law.justia.com/constitution/arizona/28/1.htm

    Article 28 Section 1 – English as the official language; applicability
    1. English as the official language; applicability

    Section 1. (1) The English language is the official language of the state of Arizona.

    (2) As the official language of this state, the English language is the language of the ballot, the public schools and all government functions and actions.

    (3)(a) This article applies to:

    (i) The legislative, executive and judicial branches of government.

    (ii) All political subdivisions, departments, agencies, organizations, and instrumentalities of this state, including local governments and municipalities.

    (iii) All statutes, ordinances, rules, orders, programs and policies.

    (iv) All government officials and employees during the performance of government business.

    (b) As used in this article, the phrase “this state and all political subdivisions of this state” shall include every entity, person, action or item described in this section, as appropriate to the circumstances.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine has (unless this changed after 2022) numerous state grade schools teaching in Russian.

    So you think nobody ever spoke Russian or gave a speech in Russian at commencement ceremonies in Ukraine since 2014?

    But the language Nazism of banderite Ukieland is so obvious that only a liar would not see it.

    So do you consider Arizona to be a Nazi state?

    How about your Tennessee?

    Speaking of “liars”. You wrote:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/helsinki-meeting/#comment-2421459

    Funny when people who know nothing about the US use it as an example. There is NO official federal language in the US, period. NO official language in any state.

    https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2021/title-4/chapter-1/part-4/section-4-1-404/#:~:text=English%20is%20hereby%20established%20as%20the%20official%20and%20legal%20language%20of%20Tennessee.

    English is hereby established as the official and legal language of Tennessee. All communications and publications, including ballots, produced by governmental entities in Tennessee shall be in English, and instruction in the public schools and colleges of Tennessee shall be conducted in English unless the nature of the course would require otherwise

  833. @Coconuts

    Mussolini as a Hitler’s mentor and friend unequivocally expressed this hate...
     
    Is this from a speech made by Mussolini 2 years after the end of WW1 where the Italians had just lost ~750,000 men fighting the Germano-Slavic Austrian army for possession of various contested territories, and there was still the ongoing conflict around Fiume about what the final border with Yugoslavia would be?

    Replies: @Beckow

    It was in that context. Mussolini made the speech in Istria given to Italy after WW1 – he wanted a lot more, Fiume and Dalmatia. After WW2 Istria was given to Croatia.

    Italian fascism was a direct outgrowth of the dispute between Italy and Yugoslavia over who gets Dalmatia. The rich Italians funded fascism to suppress socialism. It had nothing to do with Jews. Fascism was originally conceived as “national unity” (that’s what it means) – it adopted the one-nation idea from UK and Germany’s conservative Bismarck reforms (pensions, etc…).

    Fascism was an attempt by the more nationally oriented rich people and people they sponsored (like Mussolini) to provide social benefits and stability for lower classes without losing the ownership of most assets. It worked quite well in that area – FDR and post-WW2 Western ‘boom’ were based on the same one-nation idea.

    It has fallen apart in the last few decades: there is no concept of a “nation” in liberal globalism, so why care? More importantly the fear of actual “socialism” Is gone. Why pacify with social goodies people who don’t ask for it and have been trained to hate “socialism”, too stupid to act in their own self-interest?

    It is actually kind of brilliant, and all it took is some good story-telling and lots of money…and the realization that most people are very stupid. So they get the shaft…

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Beckow


    The rich Italians funded fascism to suppress socialism.
     
    It was interesting that part of the Italian far-left was prepared to ally with them (Mussolini came from this sort of syndicalist background), because revisionist forms of Marxism became pretty popular in the Italian labour movement and WW1 seemed to prove the greater power of the national idea, compared to proletarian revolution. There was awareness that the Italian proletariat was too small to carry out a revolution against the middle class and the old economic elite.

    Fascism was an attempt by the more nationally oriented rich people and people they sponsored (like Mussolini) to provide social benefits and stability for lower classes without losing the ownership of most assets.
     
    In Italy they also had the problem of a weak industrial base, and the belief that it couldn't develop without state intervention (probably true). Fascism was one way of mobilising the power of the state to build up industry, it produced that weird thing that by the late 30s among European countries only the USSR had higher levels of state ownership of industry than Italy.


    More importantly the fear of actual “socialism” Is gone.
     
    I was watching a documentary about the big 1984 miners' strike in the UK the other night, in that case the miners lost and within a decade the industry had mostly been closed and dismantled. I think this happened with a lot of the industries that had been the political and economic base of the older forms of socialism in Europe at the time, and for some reason they weren't able to resist it.

    Afterwards the left accepted a lot of economic liberalism and started shifting to identity politics. Now the idea of socialism is becoming more popular again, especially among younger people. I feel like that strong rejection of the idea of socialism is more American, in Europe it might break down along old class lines, but a lot more people have retained some socialist ideas or aspirations.

    Replies: @Beckow

  834. @AP
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Market minority problems. Chinese have had similar problems in Southeast Asia, Armenians in Turkey, etc. A very early example may have been Greeks in pre-Islamic Egypt.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    You have work to do. Your large language model has not yet solved sarz.

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=sarz

  835. @AP
    @Beckow


    The way they saw it was that Nato was moving to Ukraine and the Ukies were ruled by a hostile Russia-hating government – and even many Ukies were like that. That is “existential”.

    Was it true? They believed it.
     

    Who believed it? The political elite? Lol.

    Do you also believe that in 2002-2003 the American elite truly believed that Saddam Hussein was an existential threat to the USA, that he was on the verge of obtaining nukes, and that he was working with bin Laden?

    This is the type of idiocy they put on TV to gain support (or lesson resistance) among low-information masses to their adventures. Ensnaring gullible, and/or self-hating Westerners is a bonus.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    …did the American elite truly believed that Saddam Hussein was an existential threat to the USA?

    Many believed it because US defines “existential threat” extremely low – a band with few guns in a remote jungle in Latin America has been called an existential threat. Enough Americans buy it.

    The belief that Nato in Ukraine is an “existential threat” is a much more rational idea. You try to compare incomparable, or what is only superficially similar. In addition to poor critical thinking you also display a lack of context…where is Iraq and Ukraine? what languages and cultures do they have?

    I will give you that Russians learned from the US-UK and how they did Iraq, Serbia and other wars. They observed and saw that total b..shit can be sold to people and there are no consequences. Without that lesson there would be no war in Ukraine. But the cause for Russia was an order of magnitude more existential. The other difference is that they will stick it out and win.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    The belief that Nato in Ukraine is an “existential threat” is a much more rational idea [than the idea of Iraq being one].
     
    "Much more" in the context of both being very low and neither being taken seriously by the elites but primarily used as a propaganda tool for the dumb people is correct.

    cause for Russia was an order of magnitude more existential.
     
    Sure. I agree. But a .1% risk of something is an order of magnitude greater than a .01% risk of something. So?

    The other difference is that they will stick it out and win.
     
    So you keep telling yourself. My prediction: you will define "win" as being whatever Russia gets at the end. Even if only Crimea and/or Donbas. Hell, you would probably even define the extremely unlikely result of Ukraine getting the 1991 borders and joining NATO as a Russian win (NATO membership was delayed, Russian improved its relationship with China, Russia learned and will have a better military in the future, etc.).

    Replies: @Beckow

  836. Separate from the issue at hand, I find it incredibly bizarre that this Haitian guy (an imported fruit-picker?) is influencing opinions in Chile.

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/feb/18/british-museum-instagram-flooded-calls-return-easter-island-statue

  837. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...did the American elite truly believed that Saddam Hussein was an existential threat to the USA?
     
    Many believed it because US defines "existential threat" extremely low - a band with few guns in a remote jungle in Latin America has been called an existential threat. Enough Americans buy it.

    The belief that Nato in Ukraine is an "existential threat" is a much more rational idea. You try to compare incomparable, or what is only superficially similar. In addition to poor critical thinking you also display a lack of context...where is Iraq and Ukraine? what languages and cultures do they have?

    I will give you that Russians learned from the US-UK and how they did Iraq, Serbia and other wars. They observed and saw that total b..shit can be sold to people and there are no consequences. Without that lesson there would be no war in Ukraine. But the cause for Russia was an order of magnitude more existential. The other difference is that they will stick it out and win.

    Replies: @AP

    The belief that Nato in Ukraine is an “existential threat” is a much more rational idea [than the idea of Iraq being one].

    “Much more” in the context of both being very low and neither being taken seriously by the elites but primarily used as a propaganda tool for the dumb people is correct.

    cause for Russia was an order of magnitude more existential.

    Sure. I agree. But a .1% risk of something is an order of magnitude greater than a .01% risk of something. So?

    The other difference is that they will stick it out and win.

    So you keep telling yourself. My prediction: you will define “win” as being whatever Russia gets at the end. Even if only Crimea and/or Donbas. Hell, you would probably even define the extremely unlikely result of Ukraine getting the 1991 borders and joining NATO as a Russian win (NATO membership was delayed, Russian improved its relationship with China, Russia learned and will have a better military in the future, etc.).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...But a .1% risk of something is an order of magnitude greater than a .01% risk of something.
     
    You are understating both. Anglos see Saudi-Kuwait-Israel as extensions - indispensable allies - the risk from Iraq was non-existent to US but was 5-10% for the allies. Russia sees Belarus the same way. So the risk for Russia was 50-100%.

    NATO is 100 times more powerful than Iraq or Serbia, Syria... and the geographic closeness and cultural affinity are much higher for Russia in Ukraine than for US in Iraq. And NATO did it first and there were no consequences. We must apply the same rules.

    No matter how you look at it Russia saw NATO in Ukraine as a much more of an existential threat than US in Iraq and they acted. Without the stupid NATO's wars first they would not have done it.


    will define “win” as being whatever Russia gets at the end.
     
    No, I won't - I told you before I have no dog in this fight, I only observe. If Russia loses Crimea-Donbas and Kiev is in NATO it would clearly be a big loss for Russia. If Russia keeps them and NATO is out it would be a small win - maybe not even worth the war.

    If Russia keeps the Azov sea coast and demilitarizes Ukraine it would a medium win (roughly today's situation). If Russia controls Ukraine after the war and NATO is out it would be a big win.

    Today the war is between small and medium win for Russia. It is more likely that it will go bigger than a reversal and a win for Ukraine. I also think it will end this year, not anything specific, just my intuition. The play is in its latter acts, the dead are accumulating, the words have been said...there is nothing left but the ending.

    Replies: @AP

  838. Newest poll about Ukrainian attitudes: how many would be willing to trade some land (i.e., Crimea Poland/or Donbas) for peace.

    https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1332&page=1

    It’s now 19%, with 74% opposed “under any circumstances.”

    It had been 8%in September 2022:

    The regional differences are interesting:

    As I had been stating and expected, the Center of Ukraine is also the most anti-Russian, even more anti-Russian than western Ukraine. Obviously due to the Russian occupation of parts of central Ukraine early in the war – western Ukrainians didn’t experience it. People from Kiev region really hate Russia nowadays.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    The first graph may predict the timing of the end of the combat. From May to December 2023 the Ukrainian cohort willing to compromise roughly doubled in size from 10% to 19%. At that rate of change, this group would grow to roughly 40% by fall 2024. By early 2025 it could be over 50%. At that point, the Ukrainians may agree to a ceasefire, followed by installation of new military leadership acceptable to Russia. The second graph suggests that citizens in the Eastern part of Ukraine will reach this point sooner.

    I wonder what is required to persuade Nationalists that the central region of Ukraine is a reasonable limit for their territorial ambitions?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Seems like the failure of Ukraine's 2023 summer offensive has made Ukrainians somewhat more willing to compromise. That makes sense. Though majority support for compromising in Ukraine won't come into being until either 2025 or 2026, based on current trends.

    Replies: @AP

  839. @AP
    Newest poll about Ukrainian attitudes: how many would be willing to trade some land (i.e., Crimea Poland/or Donbas) for peace.

    https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1332&page=1

    It's now 19%, with 74% opposed "under any circumstances."

    It had been 8%in September 2022:

    https://kiis.com.ua/materials/pr/20231214_d/e01.JPG

    The regional differences are interesting:

    https://kiis.com.ua/materials/pr/20231214_d/e03.JPG

    As I had been stating and expected, the Center of Ukraine is also the most anti-Russian, even more anti-Russian than western Ukraine. Obviously due to the Russian occupation of parts of central Ukraine early in the war - western Ukrainians didn't experience it. People from Kiev region really hate Russia nowadays.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    The first graph may predict the timing of the end of the combat. From May to December 2023 the Ukrainian cohort willing to compromise roughly doubled in size from 10% to 19%. At that rate of change, this group would grow to roughly 40% by fall 2024. By early 2025 it could be over 50%. At that point, the Ukrainians may agree to a ceasefire, followed by installation of new military leadership acceptable to Russia. The second graph suggests that citizens in the Eastern part of Ukraine will reach this point sooner.

    I wonder what is required to persuade Nationalists that the central region of Ukraine is a reasonable limit for their territorial ambitions?

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    The first graph may predict the timing of the end of the combat. From May to December 2023 the Ukrainian cohort willing to compromise roughly doubled in size from 10% to 19%. At that rate of change,
     
    Why do you think the rate of increase would be the same, rather than adding another 10%?

    Replies: @QCIC

  840. @QCIC
    @AP

    The first graph may predict the timing of the end of the combat. From May to December 2023 the Ukrainian cohort willing to compromise roughly doubled in size from 10% to 19%. At that rate of change, this group would grow to roughly 40% by fall 2024. By early 2025 it could be over 50%. At that point, the Ukrainians may agree to a ceasefire, followed by installation of new military leadership acceptable to Russia. The second graph suggests that citizens in the Eastern part of Ukraine will reach this point sooner.

    I wonder what is required to persuade Nationalists that the central region of Ukraine is a reasonable limit for their territorial ambitions?

    Replies: @AP

    The first graph may predict the timing of the end of the combat. From May to December 2023 the Ukrainian cohort willing to compromise roughly doubled in size from 10% to 19%. At that rate of change,

    Why do you think the rate of increase would be the same, rather than adding another 10%?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    I was speculating and cannot predict what people think. Considering Ukrainian losses, I expect public opinion in favor of compromise to grow quickly.

  841. @Gerard1234
    @John Johnson


    I said months ago that they will probably give up Avidiika.
     
    Everywhere Russia wants, 404 will "probably give up" you retarded POS. How they gave up, the enormous loss (2500 casualties on last day when already withdrawing) that is what is relevant.....as is that west Donetsk now safe from artillery fire at least, water filtration station comes under our control, key logistics point. Our defence of DNR became much stronger - Ukronazis defence of their occupied Donetsk much less secure.....all that is what is relevant.

    It’s too far from the current supply lines.
     
    LMAO - cause and effect not of interest to this dipshit.
    "Forcing" Russian AF to use up aviation fuel.......is that the new BS excuse for total lack of air Defence for 3 weeks and more?

    Russia.....organised, safe withdrawal from Kupiansk, Kherson, Kiev, around Sumy, around Chernigov, Chernobyl ( after completing key strategic objective).....and Gostomel where , LMAO, ukronazis against not more than 100 VDV could not reseize in 1 month. Gostomel also, possibly key strategic objective completed there.

    In process of safe-withdrawal from Kupiansk and right-bank Kherson and Krasniy Liman .....attract in 1000's, 10's of 1000's of ukronazis slaughtered in the "re-taking" operations, men deployed there to secure the withdrawal get out our men out

    Now for the Ukronazis freakshow, LOL.

    Total chaos, withdrawal a huge disaster - even though it started both before official withdrawal from Avdeevka annonuncement anyway. Deployment of 3rd Assault Brigade (from Kramatorsk) .....just about one of the most inefficient, disastrous decisions in modern military history. Literally did nothing, at enormous cost. Extreme level of mass deaths of ukrops in those last 3 days, so easily avoidable.

    Replies: @Jazman

    Ukies and western retards are so funny regarding Gostomel . Only 17 wounded during whole operation

  842. @AP
    @Beckow


    The belief that Nato in Ukraine is an “existential threat” is a much more rational idea [than the idea of Iraq being one].
     
    "Much more" in the context of both being very low and neither being taken seriously by the elites but primarily used as a propaganda tool for the dumb people is correct.

    cause for Russia was an order of magnitude more existential.
     
    Sure. I agree. But a .1% risk of something is an order of magnitude greater than a .01% risk of something. So?

    The other difference is that they will stick it out and win.
     
    So you keep telling yourself. My prediction: you will define "win" as being whatever Russia gets at the end. Even if only Crimea and/or Donbas. Hell, you would probably even define the extremely unlikely result of Ukraine getting the 1991 borders and joining NATO as a Russian win (NATO membership was delayed, Russian improved its relationship with China, Russia learned and will have a better military in the future, etc.).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …But a .1% risk of something is an order of magnitude greater than a .01% risk of something.

    You are understating both. Anglos see Saudi-Kuwait-Israel as extensions – indispensable allies – the risk from Iraq was non-existent to US but was 5-10% for the allies. Russia sees Belarus the same way. So the risk for Russia was 50-100%.

    NATO is 100 times more powerful than Iraq or Serbia, Syria… and the geographic closeness and cultural affinity are much higher for Russia in Ukraine than for US in Iraq. And NATO did it first and there were no consequences. We must apply the same rules.

    No matter how you look at it Russia saw NATO in Ukraine as a much more of an existential threat than US in Iraq and they acted. Without the stupid NATO’s wars first they would not have done it.

    will define “win” as being whatever Russia gets at the end.

    No, I won’t – I told you before I have no dog in this fight, I only observe. If Russia loses Crimea-Donbas and Kiev is in NATO it would clearly be a big loss for Russia. If Russia keeps them and NATO is out it would be a small win – maybe not even worth the war.

    If Russia keeps the Azov sea coast and demilitarizes Ukraine it would a medium win (roughly today’s situation). If Russia controls Ukraine after the war and NATO is out it would be a big win.

    Today the war is between small and medium win for Russia. It is more likely that it will go bigger than a reversal and a win for Ukraine. I also think it will end this year, not anything specific, just my intuition. The play is in its latter acts, the dead are accumulating, the words have been said…there is nothing left but the ending.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    No, I won’t – I told you before I have no dog in this fight, I only observe. If Russia loses Crimea-Donbas and Kiev is in NATO it would clearly be a big loss for Russia. If Russia keeps them and NATO is out it would be a small win – maybe not even worth the war.
     
    What if Russia keeps Crimea and Donbas and Ukraine gets into NATO?

    What if Ukraine gets into NATO with the current lines (plus/minus a few more towns, maybe even Kramatorsk)?

    If Russia keeps the Azov sea coast and demilitarizes Ukraine it would a medium win (roughly today’s situation).
     
    Ukraine is not demilitarized today.

    Replies: @Beckow

  843. @AP
    @Beckow


    The way they saw it was that Nato was moving to Ukraine and the Ukies were ruled by a hostile Russia-hating government – and even many Ukies were like that. That is “existential”.

    Was it true? They believed it.
     

    Who believed it? The political elite? Lol.

    Do you also believe that in 2002-2003 the American elite truly believed that Saddam Hussein was an existential threat to the USA, that he was on the verge of obtaining nukes, and that he was working with bin Laden?

    This is the type of idiocy they put on TV to gain support (or lesson resistance) among low-information masses to their adventures. Ensnaring gullible, and/or self-hating Westerners is a bonus.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    that he was on the verge of obtaining nukes,

    That part I suspect might have actually been believed by the US political elites. I mean, Muammar Gaddafi’s nuclear weapons program was more advanced than realized until he gave it up in 2003 (he probably regretted giving it up in 2011).

    I do suspect that some of the US’s elite human capital supported the Iraq War in order to create a shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East to serve as a counter to both authoritarianism and Islamic fundamentalism there.

  844. @AP
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Market minority problems. Chinese have had similar problems in Southeast Asia, Armenians in Turkey, etc. A very early example may have been Greeks in pre-Islamic Egypt.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    Well, I think that pre-19th century European hatred of Jews was more religious in nature, but after Jewish emancipation occurred, Yeah, European gentiles might have hated Jews for being smarter and more successful than they themselves were. Though even back then, there was also already a dislike of Jews for spreading leftism. German nationalist Heinrich Class’s 1912 book If I Were the Kaiser explicitly criticizes German Jews for this, IIRC. And this was before the start of World War I!

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/523_Shades%20of%20the%20Future_104.pdf


    Whoever wants to gain the proper position on the Socialist danger to the Reich must be very
    clear that the mass poisoning of German voters would not have been possible at all without the
    participation of the Jews, that the true leaders are Jews, and that those with whom the hopes of
    improvement rest also belong to this people; under Jewish leadership, the “German” Social
    Democrats, like the Austrian ones, are serious about their internationalism, whereas the French,
    Italian, and Czech Socialists, for example, have no such thoughts. [ . . . ]

     

  845. @AP
    Newest poll about Ukrainian attitudes: how many would be willing to trade some land (i.e., Crimea Poland/or Donbas) for peace.

    https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1332&page=1

    It's now 19%, with 74% opposed "under any circumstances."

    It had been 8%in September 2022:

    https://kiis.com.ua/materials/pr/20231214_d/e01.JPG

    The regional differences are interesting:

    https://kiis.com.ua/materials/pr/20231214_d/e03.JPG

    As I had been stating and expected, the Center of Ukraine is also the most anti-Russian, even more anti-Russian than western Ukraine. Obviously due to the Russian occupation of parts of central Ukraine early in the war - western Ukrainians didn't experience it. People from Kiev region really hate Russia nowadays.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Seems like the failure of Ukraine’s 2023 summer offensive has made Ukrainians somewhat more willing to compromise. That makes sense. Though majority support for compromising in Ukraine won’t come into being until either 2025 or 2026, based on current trends.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Though majority support for compromising in Ukraine won’t come into being until either 2025 or 2026, based on current trends.
     
    Yes - assuming, of course, that there is still a stalemate then.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  846. @Coconuts
    @LatW


    I’ve been really enjoying Drieu. Beautiful language and great themes, he really idealizes the “old masculine virtues” and there is a great temptation to go with that flow, however, one must acknowledge that it is too idealized. Uncannily, some of these themes have been on my mind a lot lately, whilst thinking about the war.
     

    I am pleased, strangely I was re-reading it yesterday myself, getting it ready to upload it to Amazon's print on demand service. The guy at Imperium Press seemed to be interested when I first discussed it with him, but when I sent the completed version he was much vaguer. I thought in the meantime I would try this Amazon route, if it takes Imperium many months to decide.

    I would say Drieu's writing has this effect because it's also become a topic I have been thinking about myself lately; you find it as a theme through a lot of his work, in the novels and the political writings, where he considers it from different angles. He has the idea of war and its spiritual and personal significance, and war and its relationship to love and relations between men and women.

    It's also a challenging topic, I think Drieu didn't reach any easy conclusions, except maybe as WW2 developed he became more interested in thinking about spiritual transcendence, and in his last writing this becomes a bigger theme.

    I remember when I first started spending time in Belarus years ago, I was surprised by seeing certain things, like soldiers carrying weapons mixed with ordinary people on the train, or young cadets marching in uniform. Even though it was a kind of authoritarian regime, there was some feeling of freedom that I didn't experience in Britain (and I suddenly understood why having children would be good, another weird thing). At the same time I remember thinking that there might be more risk of a war in the region at some point (this was around 2012-13), assuming Russia and Ukraine had similar cultures.

    Recently I was in Amsterdam and visited the Rijksmuseum, last time I visited I was around 17. It is nicely refurbished, but you start the visit in the medieval period and with an exhibition of weapons and ascend through the ages to Van Gogh's era, I think I was partly seeing things through the influence of Drieu, which was sort of moving. Drieu had this thing about Van Gogh, as one of the heralds of the rebirth of the youthful spirit of the Middle Ages, the last novel he was working on before he died in 1945 was based on Van Gogh's life.

    The thing about the body and spirit is another interesting topic. I remember becoming interested in Orthodox theology and Aristotle at the same time as I started lifting weights (this would be in the 2000s). I suspect because they are both more embodied, there isn't the nature vs. grace opposition that you can find in Western Christianity, which also might be somehow linked to the abstract spirit that is in Kantian ethics.

    Replies: @LatW

    strangely I was re-reading it yesterday myself

    I’m only half way through, I’m re-reading parts of it, because some of it sounds almost like poetry and is very pleasant to dwell on.

    Imperium Press

    Of course, this one is great, but I was wondering if Drieu is a bit too poetic and romantic for them? They seem to be carrying really straightforward, hardcore titles. I’m not sure, I might be wrong (personally, I believe he would fit great there, same as with Arktos).

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    He has the idea of war and its spiritual and personal significance

    I was thinking that because he had that shocking experience himself (where he was almost blown up), that it would cause him to become pacifist. But it seems to have enriched him in a deep way (kind of a dark and light combining). This is probably where a right wing writer differs from others. It is interesting that we think of the war as a collective thing that annihilates individuality, but it is also fascinating what happens with the person in this context, how the person grows and changes.

    and war and its relationship to love and relations between men and women.

    Through this strange fascination, I’ve always thought that war elevates the male, but recently I’ve realized that it elevates both (or rather emphasizes each in their own way – and also elevates some individuals). Of course, it elevates some males at the expense of others (which is horrific).

    I was listening to an interview with one Ukrainian nationalist who is now very active on the frontlines, he was saying that when the war broke out he had to convince his wife and small children to be taken to safety, they initially objected, but once they saw the actual horror, they realized that their father had been right and that they now listen to this young father more. And he himself has changed from a boy into a real man in just a few years. But of course the brunt on the women as well has been tremendous, ever since 2014 already.

    I remember when I first started spending time in Belarus years ago, I was surprised by seeing certain things, like soldiers carrying weapons mixed with ordinary people on the train, or young cadets marching in uniform.

    Belarus is, of course, a somewhat highly militarized society (it is a party to this war, unfortunately). But this was the case also in Latvia, way back, this trend was still felt all the way into late 1990s and early 2000s. It might come back, but in a new form, what I’m seeing thus far, I do not dislike. If you really think about it, it’s really just a continuation of what our forefathers also used to do and how they used to be.

    and I suddenly understood why having children would be good, another weird thing

    Children are important (and women know this instinctively), but in the context of war this becomes more acute. Traditionally for E.Slavs (and also for Latgalians) this is different than for the typical European who has more luxuries about this. It seems there are two different urges inspired by war – one is the urge to breed, but there is another thing in Lithuanian history – mass suicide – when they saw that they were about to be overrun by the enemy, they killed themselves so as not to become slaves and not to indulge the enemy in spoils, or some Latvian tribes that burned down their own castle and retreated into Lithuania. So there are two instincts at play there – eros and thanatos. In this war… we see the latter more… death is everywhere now. Of course, death always walks step to step with life, but death is very close now.

    At the same time I remember thinking that there might be more risk of a war in the region at some point (this was around 2012-13), assuming Russia and Ukraine had similar cultures.

    This was known by quite a few in Ukraine (they felt it), so this stereotype of Ukrainians being caught aghast, maybe some were, but the nationalists knew long before what was going to happen. Same as our nationalist knew since the 1990s.

    Btw, this bothers many people, most people don’t like it… understandably, so.

    Recently I was in Amsterdam and visited the Rijksmuseum, last time I visited I was around 17. It is nicely refurbished, but you start the visit in the medieval period and with an exhibition of weapons and ascend through the ages to Van Gogh’s era

    That sounds awesome, I’m glad they’ve refurbished it, must be magnificent. That’s a large art museum, I’m sure the medieval period section is amazing. In my 20s I used to visit a lot of smaller specifically war museums, especially in Scandinavia and places such as UK & Belgium. I remember the one in Stockholm – the Swedish Army museum – it was different because they had decided to start the exposition with a display of a group of chimps fighting, with animalistic background sounds. It was unexpected, I walked in expecting to see something noble right away, so it was a bit different but I immediately understood what they were trying to say and why they wanted to put the visitors on pause. But again, they are lefties… sigh. The rest of it was good, however…

    Drieu had this thing about Van Gogh, as one of the heralds of the rebirth of the youthful spirit of the Middle Ages, the last novel he was working on before he died in 1945 was based on Van Gogh’s life.

    Interesting. I’ve been to the Van Gogh exhibition in Amsterdam, long time ago (it is together with Gauguin). Tbh, the spirit of the Middle Ages seems more optimistic than that of Van Gogh, including how it was painted by Drieu. But again, as I read that, and fully sharing in his admiration for the wholesome aspects of that period, I can’t help but think of the toll that this took on some of the people.. similarly to the contrast I experience between these fascinating and exalting themes of war and the real war that’s taking place right now… I follow a lot of those individuals and it’s now visible how they’ve changed, what they’re going through, I feel very conflicted.

    I remember becoming interested in Orthodox theology and Aristotle at the same time as I started lifting weights (this would be in the 2000s).

    That’s interesting, those two are quite different. To me, Aristotle is much more dear and easier to relate to than Orthodoxy (which seemed very alienating and, frankly, creepy to me before the Ukrainian people came into picture). And I’ve seen young men who lift weights be really into paganism (but largely the masculine side of it).

    I suspect because they are both more embodied, there isn’t the nature vs. grace opposition that you can find in Western Christianity, which also might be somehow linked to the abstract spirit that is in Kantian ethics.

    The Kantian ethics is a whole edifice, a purposefully built complex structure, to place ethics on a formal, idealistic foundation. To prove that ethics are rational, that they have a rational source of legitimacy. It is directly connected and in fact derived from his foundation of formal rationality, from the Critique of Pure Reason. And connected to the Christian God. One can say the origin is in Plato’s forms (original European idealism) and it moves as a long continuous line throughout history of thought. And this is the main object of Nietzsche’s ire. Largely because of the separation from the body, from life itself, what Nietzsche could’ve called a separation from “earthliness” or from the authentic nature of the man. And it resonates with European paganism here as well, as a call to return to one’s Mother (or one’s origins). But I think paganism has both of these – it is both “embodied”, spiritual and also contains philosophical, rational (or cosmic) forms.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW


    Through this strange fascination, I’ve always thought that war elevates the male, but recently I’ve realized that it elevates both (or rather emphasizes each in their own way – and also elevates some individuals).
     


    I think this is true, there is an interpretation of Notes for Understanding… by a progressive American academic from the 90s where he argues for this idea being present in Drieu’s work, against some of the older stereotypical interpretations of Drieu’s interest in virility and masculine values as being related to repressed homosexuality. He argues he was more interested in ‘heroic’ versions of male and female qualities.

    It seems there are two different urges inspired by war – one is the urge to breed, but there is another thing in Lithuanian history – mass suicide – when they saw that they were about to be overrun by the enemy, they killed themselves so as not to become slaves and not to indulge the enemy in spoils, or some Latvian tribes that burned down their own castle and retreated into Lithuania.
     
    There must have been a strong culture of honour among the Lithuanians, is it known if these things had some religious significance?

    In my 20s I used to visit a lot of smaller specifically war museums, especially in Scandinavia and places such as UK & Belgium.
     
    That’s interesting, was there any specific inspiration behind it?

    I know some of the UK ones but not Scandinavia or Belgium. My dad used to go to Belgium a lot to visit the WW1 battlefields, I was mainly interested in the other periods where there were a lot of major battles in Belgium and I had some strange interest in the Belgian forces during the two world wars but I never got as far as visiting any of the Belgian museums. I have visited some of the Baltic ones, the one in Riga was good, there was a lot of information in the displays. I also visited the Lithuanian one in Kaunas.

    The thing about the apes in the Swedish museum is funny. I once heard a strange thing, that apparently ants are the only other creatures that wage war on other ant colonies in the systematic way humans do. This would be harder to put into a museum display because ants are so small, and they are hard to relate to compared to apes.

    But again, as I read that, and fully sharing in his admiration for the wholesome aspects of that period, I can’t help but think of the toll that this took on some of the people.. similarly to the contrast I experience between these fascinating and exalting themes of war and the real war that’s taking place right now… I follow a lot of those individuals and it’s now visible how they’ve changed, what they’re going through, I feel very conflicted.
     
    I can see that, there aren’t many European people now who have this sort of direct experience of war. My wife knows some of the Ukrainians who are living near us and tells me about some of the things that are going on for them. The main thing I can think of to compare it to is more my grandparents’ generation, but they were also born in a generally harsher time.

    Lately in relation to this I’ve thought about Nietzsche’s comments that war educates for freedom in a powerful way, which I think is true, but it is a very challenging thing. I realise my dad taught me a lot in practical terms about this, which must have been informed by the time he was in the armed forces when he was younger. And he retained a strong interest in military history and suggested a lot of books to read over the years, but at the same time I could see a lot of these books were discussing things outside normal experience for peacetime (especially in Britain of the 1990s).

    Ultimately I guess it would probably also point to one of the difficult aspects of Drieu’s life and work, his recurrent interest in both suicide and war and combat as a path to spiritual transcendence, which he was associating with the impersonal idea of Brahman that you can find in the Upanishads.

    That’s interesting, those two are quite different. To me, Aristotle is much more dear and easier to relate to than Orthodoxy (which seemed very alienating and, frankly, creepy to me before the Ukrainian people came into picture).
     
    Yes, I had also been interested in the Upanishads and some of the Hindu Gods and Goddesses, I think I was reacting to what were common assumptions about religion I had picked up in my teens and early 20s and was looking for other things. Being in the UK Orthodoxy did not have much presence as an irl religion (for example, my home town had a couple of Sikh temples but no Orthodox presence), I only came into direct contact with it later in EE.

    I can see the connection between Kant and Christianity. I was reading a book by Joshua Mitchell (a US political scientist) about the Woke movement called ‘American Awakening’. He is writing from a Protestant perspective, but he highlights that the reaction Woke is inspiring in religious terms is either Pagan, Trad Catholic or Orthodox, or Nietzschean. I wonder if there is some sort of shift in European religion going on, where those options are going to become the most important. I know I was drawn to Goddess figures and all the devotional beliefs around the Virgin Mary, I would guess as part of a reaction to experience of very secular versions of feminism when I was at university and after.
  847. @AP
    @QCIC


    The first graph may predict the timing of the end of the combat. From May to December 2023 the Ukrainian cohort willing to compromise roughly doubled in size from 10% to 19%. At that rate of change,
     
    Why do you think the rate of increase would be the same, rather than adding another 10%?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I was speculating and cannot predict what people think. Considering Ukrainian losses, I expect public opinion in favor of compromise to grow quickly.

  848. Russian nationalist blogger Andrei Morozov kills himself after receiving threats for reporting Avdiivka losses. This is insane, read his last post
    https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/3495

    More info:
    https://ukranews.com/en/news/986272-russian-military-correspondents-reporting-that-occupier-morozov-who-published-data-on-russian

    Instead of rejecting the totalitarian state he blows his brains out and calls it Bushido code.

    What in the fudge is wrong with Russians? There is no Bushido code on the Russian side. The latest word is that they are blowing up the dead in the field so they don’t have to pay the families.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Instead of rejecting the totalitarian state he blows his brains out and calls it Bushido code.
     
    Everything aligns here because this one was a deeply ideological fighter - not a supporter of Putin's "totalitarian state" but a rabid Russian supremacist and imperialist.

    This one was a very dangerous, deeply ideologized, very useful fighter - he was not only publishing very useful insights and data from the frontlines for months, but he was also maintaining some very important communications equipment for the Russians.

    These types of guys can be very efficient but they often come into conflict with army superiors, since they are contrarian and direct.

    Of course, he will come into conflict with such snakes as Gasparian - an Armenian Russian propagandist who has been active for many years, stoking hatred between Russia and her neighbors, Ukrainians, etc. Because this Gasparian will never be in the trenches. And won't see the insane pressure that is taking place there. It is hell.

    This might be a part of a larger picture of Putin's regime "cleaning out" all opponents. Because the Zs are on the avant garde of the fight, they know what's really going on there, but the propagandists don't want their cries to be heard.

    Yesterday I heard a couple of more of these talking.. they want to stop (Putin doesn't and won't). The only problem is that they want to stop at the current lines, keep what is not theirs, and they want both "regimes" to go, but they want Zelensky's to go more... they are still blind and selfish. Thus the suffering will continue... except for the ones who choose the path of the Bushido.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Makes one wonder if he didn't actually kill himself but rather if his "suicide" was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons. But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail, @John Johnson

  849. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Seems like the failure of Ukraine's 2023 summer offensive has made Ukrainians somewhat more willing to compromise. That makes sense. Though majority support for compromising in Ukraine won't come into being until either 2025 or 2026, based on current trends.

    Replies: @AP

    Though majority support for compromising in Ukraine won’t come into being until either 2025 or 2026, based on current trends.

    Yes – assuming, of course, that there is still a stalemate then.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Do you think that there would still be a stalemate then under Biden? Or that even under Biden Ukraine support will be ramped up after the 2024 election, especially if the Democrats succeed in using MAGA opposition to Ukraine aid to help them defeat Trump in the 2024 election (due to his guilt by association with them)?

  850. @John Johnson
    Russian nationalist blogger Andrei Morozov kills himself after receiving threats for reporting Avdiivka losses. This is insane, read his last post
    https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/3495

    More info:
    https://ukranews.com/en/news/986272-russian-military-correspondents-reporting-that-occupier-morozov-who-published-data-on-russian

    Instead of rejecting the totalitarian state he blows his brains out and calls it Bushido code.

    What in the fudge is wrong with Russians? There is no Bushido code on the Russian side. The latest word is that they are blowing up the dead in the field so they don't have to pay the families.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    Instead of rejecting the totalitarian state he blows his brains out and calls it Bushido code.

    Everything aligns here because this one was a deeply ideological fighter – not a supporter of Putin’s “totalitarian state” but a rabid Russian supremacist and imperialist.

    This one was a very dangerous, deeply ideologized, very useful fighter – he was not only publishing very useful insights and data from the frontlines for months, but he was also maintaining some very important communications equipment for the Russians.

    These types of guys can be very efficient but they often come into conflict with army superiors, since they are contrarian and direct.

    Of course, he will come into conflict with such snakes as Gasparian – an Armenian Russian propagandist who has been active for many years, stoking hatred between Russia and her neighbors, Ukrainians, etc. Because this Gasparian will never be in the trenches. And won’t see the insane pressure that is taking place there. It is hell.

    This might be a part of a larger picture of Putin’s regime “cleaning out” all opponents. Because the Zs are on the avant garde of the fight, they know what’s really going on there, but the propagandists don’t want their cries to be heard.

    Yesterday I heard a couple of more of these talking.. they want to stop (Putin doesn’t and won’t). The only problem is that they want to stop at the current lines, keep what is not theirs, and they want both “regimes” to go, but they want Zelensky’s to go more… they are still blind and selfish. Thus the suffering will continue… except for the ones who choose the path of the Bushido.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW

    He was upset by the 16,000 Russians killed in Avdiivka (according to him, who was there). Our former host thinks his suicide is real, the note isn't faked.

    Morozov is one of the people who helped start this war, back in 2014. 100,000s of dead Slavs because of people like him. At least, it seems, he had come to realize what he had done.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

  851. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Instead of rejecting the totalitarian state he blows his brains out and calls it Bushido code.
     
    Everything aligns here because this one was a deeply ideological fighter - not a supporter of Putin's "totalitarian state" but a rabid Russian supremacist and imperialist.

    This one was a very dangerous, deeply ideologized, very useful fighter - he was not only publishing very useful insights and data from the frontlines for months, but he was also maintaining some very important communications equipment for the Russians.

    These types of guys can be very efficient but they often come into conflict with army superiors, since they are contrarian and direct.

    Of course, he will come into conflict with such snakes as Gasparian - an Armenian Russian propagandist who has been active for many years, stoking hatred between Russia and her neighbors, Ukrainians, etc. Because this Gasparian will never be in the trenches. And won't see the insane pressure that is taking place there. It is hell.

    This might be a part of a larger picture of Putin's regime "cleaning out" all opponents. Because the Zs are on the avant garde of the fight, they know what's really going on there, but the propagandists don't want their cries to be heard.

    Yesterday I heard a couple of more of these talking.. they want to stop (Putin doesn't and won't). The only problem is that they want to stop at the current lines, keep what is not theirs, and they want both "regimes" to go, but they want Zelensky's to go more... they are still blind and selfish. Thus the suffering will continue... except for the ones who choose the path of the Bushido.

    Replies: @AP

    He was upset by the 16,000 Russians killed in Avdiivka (according to him, who was there). Our former host thinks his suicide is real, the note isn’t faked.

    Morozov is one of the people who helped start this war, back in 2014. 100,000s of dead Slavs because of people like him. At least, it seems, he had come to realize what he had done.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP

    I know, I read him on and off. Of course, this guy was evil, but so are those three vile propagandists that lashed out at him. That chick in particular has been a real vile warmonger (and Gasparyan has been doing this for years, even before the war), this could sow disunity in the "Z community".

    Of course, Murz was just a vatnik at the end of the day and shouldn't really be compared to a samurai, that's true.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Morozov is one of the people who helped start this war, back in 2014. 100,000s of dead Slavs because of people like him. At least, it seems, he had come to realize what he had done.
     
    Putin appears to be the biggest Slav-killer since Hitler, if one looks at persons and not at, say, alcoholism or drugs. That's quite an achievement.
  852. @AP
    @LatW

    He was upset by the 16,000 Russians killed in Avdiivka (according to him, who was there). Our former host thinks his suicide is real, the note isn't faked.

    Morozov is one of the people who helped start this war, back in 2014. 100,000s of dead Slavs because of people like him. At least, it seems, he had come to realize what he had done.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    I know, I read him on and off. Of course, this guy was evil, but so are those three vile propagandists that lashed out at him. That chick in particular has been a real vile warmonger (and Gasparyan has been doing this for years, even before the war), this could sow disunity in the “Z community”.

    Of course, Murz was just a vatnik at the end of the day and shouldn’t really be compared to a samurai, that’s true.

  853. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Though majority support for compromising in Ukraine won’t come into being until either 2025 or 2026, based on current trends.
     
    Yes - assuming, of course, that there is still a stalemate then.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Do you think that there would still be a stalemate then under Biden? Or that even under Biden Ukraine support will be ramped up after the 2024 election, especially if the Democrats succeed in using MAGA opposition to Ukraine aid to help them defeat Trump in the 2024 election (due to his guilt by association with them)?

  854. @John Johnson
    Russian nationalist blogger Andrei Morozov kills himself after receiving threats for reporting Avdiivka losses. This is insane, read his last post
    https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/3495

    More info:
    https://ukranews.com/en/news/986272-russian-military-correspondents-reporting-that-occupier-morozov-who-published-data-on-russian

    Instead of rejecting the totalitarian state he blows his brains out and calls it Bushido code.

    What in the fudge is wrong with Russians? There is no Bushido code on the Russian side. The latest word is that they are blowing up the dead in the field so they don't have to pay the families.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    Makes one wonder if he didn’t actually kill himself but rather if his “suicide” was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons. But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    But why have them kill one of their own?
     
    He was not one of their own, he was non-systemic. The official propagandists really trashed him, think about it, he fights like crazy (for years), sees all the ripped up bodies and then gets trashed on national TV by some who he considers prostitutes (paid propagandists), for telling the truth (to honor the dead ones). Suicide is probably totally real.

    What do the Orthodox say about suicide? Is it viewed as just as unacceptable as in Catholicism?

    This is super morbid...

    "Punishment for the crime starts at the moment one commits the crime...".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bExCx0QWEQ&t=29s

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    Navalny BS

    Re: CNN Aired Segment on 2/20/24, between 12 AM-12:30 AM (Pardon not having a link.)

    How come Navalny never released the report of his German examination which claims that he was infected with Novichok - a deadly substance which he survived? There was also the busted lie from Navalny's camp of his being poisoned via a drink given to him. CCTV footage showed that to not be the case.

    In another CNN segment, Erin Burnett let Christol Grozev lie with his claim that he proved the Russian government poisoned Navalny. To date, no such "proof" has been given.

    Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern and others make a compelling case that enemies of Russia might've poisoned Navalny. In point of fact, Russians have been killed in Russia, with foreign agents believed to have been behind such action.

    Navalny was no threat to Putin. Navalny was arrested on credible criminal charges which Western mass media downplays. He also was criminally negligent in being involved with holding illegal rallies, never accepting or requesting a permit which he in fact was offered in a major locale. That turndown on his part was likely because he would be unable to fill the capacity of the outdoor venue where he was granted clearance. His disrespectfully rude court manner didn't help him as well when it came to sentencing.

    How coincidental for his wife to be present at the Munich Security Conference, followed by her readiness to take the helm from her husband as a leader of some kind of political movement having very limited support in Russia.

    The Russian military and economic successes against the ongoing anti-Russian activism make Navalny's death a plus for anti-Russian propaganda, with no such benefit to Putin/Russia.

    Regarding his wife is a below comment from a Moscow based Brit (Click the link to get photos.):

    https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2024/02/05/we-come-not-to-praise-zelensky-but-to-bury-him/comment-page-2/#comment-95622


    moscowexile
    February 18, 2024 at 11:39 pm 

    The secret of Navalnaya’s smile: The King of oppositionists has died. Long live the Queen?
    https://dzen.ru/a/ZdHyEU8_NDj2JWf2

    The author of the book “Deceive me if you can”, psychologist Paul Ekman, has analyzed the behaviour of Julia Navalnaya, the widow of the recently deceased opposition leader. The expert’s attention was drawn to her strange “smile”, which Julia, when speaking in Munich, literally lit up against the background of her husband’s death.

    In fact, Ekman wasn’t the only one who had noticed this. The oddity arose from the very coincidence of dates: when reports of Navalny’s death* appeared, his wife surprisingly, as if according to the laws of Hollywood movies, showed up at an international security conference in Munich.

    By and large, she had nothing to do there – she had never been an expert and speaker on this topic. But then, “by the way”, the death of her husband had occurred, and just three hours after a message about his death had been received, she was already given the floor to address from the high rostrum.

    Everything seemed to go according to a script: a disconsolate widow, the political establishment of Europe gathered in one place, nodding sympathetically and grieving for Russian democracy. The perfect place and time for incriminating statements is ready: “Bloody Vlad Putin has viciously destroyed a real rival”.
    Photo: Sven Hoppe/dpa / Global Look Press

    Photo: Sven Hoppe/dpa / Global Look Press

    However, as for grief, there are some oddities. The widow barely suppresses a smile as she speaks, as if she has won a contest or won a lottery ticket.

    “Yulia Navalnaya’s reaction is not the reaction of a woman who has just learnt about the death of her beloved husband. Before us is a domineering woman who, after the death of her husband, has finally received the attention of our world. That’s what she wanted – for the whole world to talk about her”

    – believes the psychologist.

    Indeed, the usual, unfortunately personally known to very many of us, human reaction to the death of a loved one is depression, a “shutdown” of one’s vital forces, internal devastation. There’s no time to smile. Not a single facial muscle will move, the muscles around the mouth will not tighten – there is not one extra ounce of strength for this.

    The Earth is empty without you

    How can I but live for a few hours?

    No, it was clear that with such thoughts Julia Navalnaya was not concerned when standing on the podium.

    My husband is in the know

    As befits a respectable politician, Navalny* all his life tried to maintain for others at least the appearance of a good and strong family. A beautiful wife, two dear children-daughter Daria and son Zachary.

    However, as soon as her husband ended up behind bars, all this projected imagery collapsed with a crash, if not, indeed, rejected by the impatient “New Decembrist”. [Reference to the Decembrists of 1825 who attempted to have a constitutional monarchy installed in the Russian Empire. The leaders of the Decembrists were publicly hanged, the rest were sent into exile in Siberia. The exiled Decembrists’ wifes dutifully followed them — ME] Those real Decembrists followed their husbands to the east, to Siberia – this one went the other way, to the west, to the arms of caring sponsors.

    The truth was revealed by Navalny’s former assistant Anna Gonchar. According to her, in 2021, Julia began an affair with Chichvarkin***, the ex-co-owner of the Euroset mobile phone store chain, who fled to the UK in 2008. The relationship between them began immediately after her departure from Russia and lasted for several months. Chichvarkin sponsored the Foundation [“…for the fight against corruption”, the Bullshitter’s money -making scam — ME] and paid for Navalny’s treatment in Germany in 2020.

    This is the photograph that outraged even his [Navalny’s — ME] closest associates. Her husband is in prison, and she is already posing in an embrace with another, with puppy-like joy on her face, picturesquely standing on her tiptoes.
    Screenshot of the TG channel "A000MP97"

    Screenshot of the TG channel “A000MP97”. [Chichvarkin is a criminal, by the way: fucked off ages ago with a load of dosh to Londonistan . . . I mean, to where else? — ME]

    In response to the bewilderment of employees, Navalnaya explained that her imprisoned husband knew what was happening between her and the runaway businessman.

    After Chichvarkin, Navalnaya turned her attention to the Bulgarian journalist Hristo Grozdev. In her own words, he “got along well with the children, replacing the father figure they needed so much”.
    Screenshot of the TG channel "A000MP97"

    Screenshot of the TG channel “A000MP97”

    With Grozdev, Navalnaya vacationed in Nice in the summer, and at Christmas in the resort of Chamonix-Mont Blanc. All these tours were organized by Gonchar, who finally got tired of improving the personal life of the flighty wife of the opposition leader instead of striving to create a “Beautiful Russia of the Future”. [Navalny slogan that he peddled to his kiddie followers — ME]

    “it all ended with my organizing leisure activities for Aleksei’s wife in the company of various men, while Aleksei himself is in prison“

    – said the Gonchar and slammed the door on Navalnaya, at the same time revealing what is called an inconvenient truth.

    However, the inconvenient truth did not interest anyone in the West, where they are so fond of denouncing the morals of Russian politicians.

    But this was different.

    “Baby, we have everything as in the song: between us cities, airport runway lights, blue snowstorms and thousands of kilometres. But I feel like you’re there for me every second, and I love you more and more.”

    – the last entry in Navalny’s Telegram channel * February 14. There is a photo in it: a sad and as usual a little contemptuous looking Aleksei holds his Julia by the waist; she is standing sideways to him and looking up at him from beneath her eyebrows.
    Screenshot of the TG channel "Navalny"*

    Screenshot of the TG channel “Navalny”* [For once in my life I feel sorry for the bastard! Nowt worse than being deceived by a woman you love; likewise for women deceived by men whom they love — ME]

    A sad photo that says a lot.

    New Horizons

    The German publication BILD was pleased with the revelation: it turned out that Russia, Germany and the United States had discussed Navalny’s possible involvement with the Russian agent Vadim Krasikov, who is in a German prison. Allegedly, there was a possibility that Putin would release Navalny to the West in exchange for a Russian intelligence officer*. “Aleksei Navalny was about to be released,” says BILD columnist Philip Pyatov.

    If such an exchange had taken place, Julia Navalnaya would certainly have been pushed back into the shadows by her charismatic husband, along with Khodorkovsky, Kasparov, and other “leaders in exile” who would have had to bow down to Aleksei and join his team.

    However, some clever heads seem to have come up with a more advantageous and rewarding option. As they say, “two birds with one stone”. Julia Navalnaya was quite capable of replacing her husband as the main whistleblower and democrat – you don’t need a big mind there: just take some “facts” about corruption from the ceiling, add a little Russophobia, stir it all up, don’t shake.

    So there wasn’t much point in bringing Aleksei out of the cold. However, turning him into an icon of the liberal opposition was much more interesting.

    In this package, the flighty widow also received her bonuses. First of all, control over the financial flows of the “Russian opposition in exile”.

    And all this was clearly running through Julia’s head as she took the podium at the Munich conference.

    It was hard to hold back a triumphant smile.

    After all, there the widow not only addressed the audience in the role of a new fighter for the freedom of Russia, but met Ursula von der Leyen, the US Secretary of State E. Blinken, and even her Belarusian “colleague”, opposition activist S. Tikhanovskaya, whose husband Sergei is now in prison. [Rememember, Tikhanovskaya is the “President of the Belarus government in exile”! — ME]

    After the meeting, Tikhanovskaya wrote with anguish that “my husband may be next”. Sergey clearly needs to be more careful with packages received from his wife.

    Such a timely death

    Meanwhile, a media campaign in the top Western media continues to unfold around Navalny’s death.

    Britain’s The Economist:”Julia’s speech should encourage the countries participating in the Conference to strongly allocate aid to the Ukraine in order to “finish off their job”.

    Stanford University professor Francis Fukuyama told the Financial Times:”Julia and Daria [Navalny’s daughter] are the most likely candidates for the position of opposition leaders”.

    Joe Biden: “The death of Aleksei Navalny is a ‘war crime’ for which the Russian authorities are responsible”.

    And so just in time, everything happened right for them. As soon as Europe had begun to realize that Russia cannot be defeated, which means that injections into the Ukraine are useless; as soon as the Russian army takes Avdeevka, an event immediately happens that brings the anti-Russian discourse back into play…

    Who benefits?

    A rhetorical question.

    Russia does not benefit from the death of Aleksei Navalny – he was in the Arctic, in prison, where he did not threaten anyone with anything.

    But the West in one fell swoop received a luxurious PR bouquet, right on time for the Russian presidential election: the killer, the poisoner, the cruel tyrant Putin… everything is so familiar, hackneyed, boring to everyone, and therefore in need of regular replenishment with fresh blood.

    Who is this all designed for?

    Navalny* has never been particularly popular in Russia. He achieved 27% of the votes in the Moscow mayoral election of 2013 – a good result, but it seems to have been the upper limit of his achievement and a one-off occurrence; a load of stupid nonsense about him being the leader of the opposition, murky stories of “failed poisoning” in a country where there are a thousand cheaper and more reliable ways to eliminate a person; ugly scandals with a veteran; provocations that expose naive young idealists to the batons of the police.

    Russians had nothing to love Navalny for.

    All this is just a bloody theatre, in which the audience and actors seem to belong to the same party.

    ___________

    * Alexey Navalny was included in the register of persons involved in terrorism and extremism in Russia

    ** Mikhail Khodorkovsky has been entered by the Ministry of Justice of Russia into the register of individuals performing the function of a foreign agent, put on the international wanted list

    *** Evgeny Chichvarkin has been entered by the Ministry of Justice of Russia into the register of individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent.

    News Agency Novorossiya


     

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Makes one wonder if he didn’t actually kill himself but rather if his “suicide” was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons.

    I think he killed himself based on the telegram post. Especially because of this final comment:

    In the samurai code "Bushido", which was written down on paper at the moment when the samurai began to forget it, it is written, among other things:

    "Often revenge is simply to break into the enemy's house and die.

    That is a writer's dark humorous take on his situation that could not be faked by a hitman and certainly not one in Russia. Allies of Putin that cross a line normally fall out of windows or have drowning accidents.

    It's possible that he was expecting to be killed and chose suicide. But my guess is that he was already depressed over the war not going as planned and had guilt over cheering what he knew was the unjust side in a bloody disaster.

    But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    He might have been warned. Putin's propagandist Vladimir Solovyov went on a big rant about how pro-Russian bloggers should be killed if they publish "damaging" (truthful) reports from the front. Solovyov never claimed that any of the reports were false. He just didn't want it to be public.

    Russian totalitarians hate the internet and want to try and cover up as much as they can. Hard to deny information when your own pro-Russian blootlicker brigade is reporting it. Russia has also tried numerous times to claim a sunk ship or fire was an accident. Russian bloggers on the inside make that harder even if they support the dictatorship.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

  855. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Well, I think that pre-19th century European hatred of Jews was more religious in nature, but after Jewish emancipation occurred, Yeah, European gentiles might have hated Jews for being smarter and more successful than they themselves were. Though even back then, there was also already a dislike of Jews for spreading leftism. German nationalist Heinrich Class's 1912 book If I Were the Kaiser explicitly criticizes German Jews for this, IIRC. And this was before the start of World War I!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/523_Shades%20of%20the%20Future_104.pdf

    Whoever wants to gain the proper position on the Socialist danger to the Reich must be very
    clear that the mass poisoning of German voters would not have been possible at all without the
    participation of the Jews, that the true leaders are Jews, and that those with whom the hopes of
    improvement rest also belong to this people; under Jewish leadership, the “German” Social
    Democrats, like the Austrian ones, are serious about their internationalism, whereas the French,
    Italian, and Czech Socialists, for example, have no such thoughts. [ . . . ]

  856. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...But a .1% risk of something is an order of magnitude greater than a .01% risk of something.
     
    You are understating both. Anglos see Saudi-Kuwait-Israel as extensions - indispensable allies - the risk from Iraq was non-existent to US but was 5-10% for the allies. Russia sees Belarus the same way. So the risk for Russia was 50-100%.

    NATO is 100 times more powerful than Iraq or Serbia, Syria... and the geographic closeness and cultural affinity are much higher for Russia in Ukraine than for US in Iraq. And NATO did it first and there were no consequences. We must apply the same rules.

    No matter how you look at it Russia saw NATO in Ukraine as a much more of an existential threat than US in Iraq and they acted. Without the stupid NATO's wars first they would not have done it.


    will define “win” as being whatever Russia gets at the end.
     
    No, I won't - I told you before I have no dog in this fight, I only observe. If Russia loses Crimea-Donbas and Kiev is in NATO it would clearly be a big loss for Russia. If Russia keeps them and NATO is out it would be a small win - maybe not even worth the war.

    If Russia keeps the Azov sea coast and demilitarizes Ukraine it would a medium win (roughly today's situation). If Russia controls Ukraine after the war and NATO is out it would be a big win.

    Today the war is between small and medium win for Russia. It is more likely that it will go bigger than a reversal and a win for Ukraine. I also think it will end this year, not anything specific, just my intuition. The play is in its latter acts, the dead are accumulating, the words have been said...there is nothing left but the ending.

    Replies: @AP

    No, I won’t – I told you before I have no dog in this fight, I only observe. If Russia loses Crimea-Donbas and Kiev is in NATO it would clearly be a big loss for Russia. If Russia keeps them and NATO is out it would be a small win – maybe not even worth the war.

    What if Russia keeps Crimea and Donbas and Ukraine gets into NATO?

    What if Ukraine gets into NATO with the current lines (plus/minus a few more towns, maybe even Kramatorsk)?

    If Russia keeps the Azov sea coast and demilitarizes Ukraine it would a medium win (roughly today’s situation).

    Ukraine is not demilitarized today.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...What if Russia keeps Crimea and Donbas and Ukraine gets into NATO?

    What if Ukraine gets into NATO with the current lines
     

    Basically a draw: Nato in Ukraine is a loss for Russia but loss of Crimea-Azov is a loss for Ukraine. Donbas less so, it is only a battleground. Any outcome with Ukraine in Nato is a loss for Russia - compensated with territory, but unstable. It would lead to another war.

    The draw is unlikely, both sides made it existential. The latest shift in the West is: we will accept a gradual defeat, but make it very costly - maybe a miracle...

    My point is that all Nato plans work for Nato at the expense of Ukraine. The idea that the Ukies have signed up for it and are enthusiastically dying for the shifting and unreachable goals is racist: Ukies are used as pions in a game, discarded and patronized. Think about that if you care about ordinary Ukrainians - as you claim you do.

    Life is a question of alternatives: living in a neutral imperfect Ukraine is better than dying for a 'membership in Nato', whatever that means...

    Ukraine is getting demilitarized - its resources are slowly being exhausted: too many people left, the economy is down by 1/3, many died (Kiev PM's words - not mine).

    Replies: @AP

  857. Our former host posted this on his X.

    Percentage of Russians who would cancel SMO if they could go back in time is at an all-time high, 37%:

    It was 26% in early May of last year.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Quite amazing that a majority of Russians (near-majority in late 2023) still supports the SMO in spite of Russia likely losing 100,000+ of its own troops in it by now. Surely simply annexing the Donbass Republics in February 2022 would have been much less bloody, no?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC

  858. Stepson of Ukraine’s top general says he wants Russian citizenship
    https://www.rt.com/russia/592800-ivan-syrsky-aussie-cossack/

    Ivan Syrsky has taken part in a pro-Russian event in Australia

    General Aleksandr Syrsky is the commander in chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, but his stepson Ivan has endorsed Russia. The younger Syrsky was filmed wearing a “Z” t-shirt on Tuesday at the Russian consulate in Sydney.

    Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky appointed Syrsky earlier this month as the replacement for General Valery Zaluzhny, with whom he has had political disagreements. While Zaluzhny has enjoyed considerable popularity in the ranks, Syrsky is less liked – and less likely to be seen as a rival to Zelensky, according to several Ukrainian outlets.

    “Glory to Russia,” Ivan declared, while wearing a cossack cap and a shirt with the letter Z – a symbol associated with the Russian side in the Ukraine conflict. He also urged Russia to better “filter” for “traitors,” in what has been interpreted as a dig at his stepfather.

    The event was organized by Simeon ‘Aussie Cossack’ Boikov, a Sydney-born activist who recently received Russian citizenship, citing his persecution by the Australian authorities. He told Syrsky that the Cossacks will “protect him” from any pro-Ukrainian attacks.

    According to the Russian outlet KP, Ivan and his half-brother Anton came to Australia with their mother, who had divorced from the general. Anton is Syrsky’s biological son, whereas Ivan was born from a previous marriage.

    Communication with the general stopped in 2014, when Syrsky chose to take part in the “anti-terrorist operation” launched by Kiev against the Donbass republics.

    Boikov claimed that Ivan Syrsky has participated in many pro-Russian activities since 2014, and that he also wants to obtain Russian citizenship.

    The video showed Boikov, Syrsky and the gathered ‘cossacks’ cheering Russia’s recent taking of Avdeevka, the heavily fortified Ukrainian stronghold from which Kiev’s forces had shelled the city of Donetsk for almost a decade.

    General Syrsky was born in present-day Russia and served in the Soviet military until 1991, when Ukraine declared independence. His brother, father and mother still live in Russia and have reportedly had little contact with him in recent years.

  859. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Makes one wonder if he didn't actually kill himself but rather if his "suicide" was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons. But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    But why have them kill one of their own?

    He was not one of their own, he was non-systemic. The official propagandists really trashed him, think about it, he fights like crazy (for years), sees all the ripped up bodies and then gets trashed on national TV by some who he considers prostitutes (paid propagandists), for telling the truth (to honor the dead ones). Suicide is probably totally real.

    What do the Orthodox say about suicide? Is it viewed as just as unacceptable as in Catholicism?

    This is super morbid…

    [MORE]

    “Punishment for the crime starts at the moment one commits the crime…”.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
  860. After Avdeyevka, what happens next? w/ Lt. Col. Daniel Davis (Live)

  861. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Makes one wonder if he didn't actually kill himself but rather if his "suicide" was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons. But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    Navalny BS

    Re: CNN Aired Segment on 2/20/24, between 12 AM-12:30 AM (Pardon not having a link.)

    How come Navalny never released the report of his German examination which claims that he was infected with Novichok – a deadly substance which he survived? There was also the busted lie from Navalny’s camp of his being poisoned via a drink given to him. CCTV footage showed that to not be the case.

    In another CNN segment, Erin Burnett let Christol Grozev lie with his claim that he proved the Russian government poisoned Navalny. To date, no such “proof” has been given.

    Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern and others make a compelling case that enemies of Russia might’ve poisoned Navalny. In point of fact, Russians have been killed in Russia, with foreign agents believed to have been behind such action.

    Navalny was no threat to Putin. Navalny was arrested on credible criminal charges which Western mass media downplays. He also was criminally negligent in being involved with holding illegal rallies, never accepting or requesting a permit which he in fact was offered in a major locale. That turndown on his part was likely because he would be unable to fill the capacity of the outdoor venue where he was granted clearance. His disrespectfully rude court manner didn’t help him as well when it came to sentencing.

    How coincidental for his wife to be present at the Munich Security Conference, followed by her readiness to take the helm from her husband as a leader of some kind of political movement having very limited support in Russia.

    The Russian military and economic successes against the ongoing anti-Russian activism make Navalny’s death a plus for anti-Russian propaganda, with no such benefit to Putin/Russia.

    Regarding his wife is a below comment from a Moscow based Brit (Click the link to get photos.):

    https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2024/02/05/we-come-not-to-praise-zelensky-but-to-bury-him/comment-page-2/#comment-95622

    moscowexile
    February 18, 2024 at 11:39 pm 

    The secret of Navalnaya’s smile: The King of oppositionists has died. Long live the Queen?
    https://dzen.ru/a/ZdHyEU8_NDj2JWf2

    The author of the book “Deceive me if you can”, psychologist Paul Ekman, has analyzed the behaviour of Julia Navalnaya, the widow of the recently deceased opposition leader. The expert’s attention was drawn to her strange “smile”, which Julia, when speaking in Munich, literally lit up against the background of her husband’s death.

    In fact, Ekman wasn’t the only one who had noticed this. The oddity arose from the very coincidence of dates: when reports of Navalny’s death* appeared, his wife surprisingly, as if according to the laws of Hollywood movies, showed up at an international security conference in Munich.

    By and large, she had nothing to do there – she had never been an expert and speaker on this topic. But then, “by the way”, the death of her husband had occurred, and just three hours after a message about his death had been received, she was already given the floor to address from the high rostrum.

    Everything seemed to go according to a script: a disconsolate widow, the political establishment of Europe gathered in one place, nodding sympathetically and grieving for Russian democracy. The perfect place and time for incriminating statements is ready: “Bloody Vlad Putin has viciously destroyed a real rival”.
    Photo: Sven Hoppe/dpa / Global Look Press

    Photo: Sven Hoppe/dpa / Global Look Press

    However, as for grief, there are some oddities. The widow barely suppresses a smile as she speaks, as if she has won a contest or won a lottery ticket.

    “Yulia Navalnaya’s reaction is not the reaction of a woman who has just learnt about the death of her beloved husband. Before us is a domineering woman who, after the death of her husband, has finally received the attention of our world. That’s what she wanted – for the whole world to talk about her”

    – believes the psychologist.

    Indeed, the usual, unfortunately personally known to very many of us, human reaction to the death of a loved one is depression, a “shutdown” of one’s vital forces, internal devastation. There’s no time to smile. Not a single facial muscle will move, the muscles around the mouth will not tighten – there is not one extra ounce of strength for this.

    The Earth is empty without you

    How can I but live for a few hours?

    No, it was clear that with such thoughts Julia Navalnaya was not concerned when standing on the podium.

    My husband is in the know

    As befits a respectable politician, Navalny* all his life tried to maintain for others at least the appearance of a good and strong family. A beautiful wife, two dear children-daughter Daria and son Zachary.

    However, as soon as her husband ended up behind bars, all this projected imagery collapsed with a crash, if not, indeed, rejected by the impatient “New Decembrist”. [Reference to the Decembrists of 1825 who attempted to have a constitutional monarchy installed in the Russian Empire. The leaders of the Decembrists were publicly hanged, the rest were sent into exile in Siberia. The exiled Decembrists’ wifes dutifully followed them — ME] Those real Decembrists followed their husbands to the east, to Siberia – this one went the other way, to the west, to the arms of caring sponsors.

    The truth was revealed by Navalny’s former assistant Anna Gonchar. According to her, in 2021, Julia began an affair with Chichvarkin***, the ex-co-owner of the Euroset mobile phone store chain, who fled to the UK in 2008. The relationship between them began immediately after her departure from Russia and lasted for several months. Chichvarkin sponsored the Foundation [“…for the fight against corruption”, the Bullshitter’s money -making scam — ME] and paid for Navalny’s treatment in Germany in 2020.

    This is the photograph that outraged even his [Navalny’s — ME] closest associates. Her husband is in prison, and she is already posing in an embrace with another, with puppy-like joy on her face, picturesquely standing on her tiptoes.
    Screenshot of the TG channel “A000MP97”

    Screenshot of the TG channel “A000MP97”. [Chichvarkin is a criminal, by the way: fucked off ages ago with a load of dosh to Londonistan . . . I mean, to where else? — ME]

    In response to the bewilderment of employees, Navalnaya explained that her imprisoned husband knew what was happening between her and the runaway businessman.

    After Chichvarkin, Navalnaya turned her attention to the Bulgarian journalist Hristo Grozdev. In her own words, he “got along well with the children, replacing the father figure they needed so much”.
    Screenshot of the TG channel “A000MP97”

    Screenshot of the TG channel “A000MP97”

    With Grozdev, Navalnaya vacationed in Nice in the summer, and at Christmas in the resort of Chamonix-Mont Blanc. All these tours were organized by Gonchar, who finally got tired of improving the personal life of the flighty wife of the opposition leader instead of striving to create a “Beautiful Russia of the Future”. [Navalny slogan that he peddled to his kiddie followers — ME]

    “it all ended with my organizing leisure activities for Aleksei’s wife in the company of various men, while Aleksei himself is in prison“

    – said the Gonchar and slammed the door on Navalnaya, at the same time revealing what is called an inconvenient truth.

    However, the inconvenient truth did not interest anyone in the West, where they are so fond of denouncing the morals of Russian politicians.

    But this was different.

    “Baby, we have everything as in the song: between us cities, airport runway lights, blue snowstorms and thousands of kilometres. But I feel like you’re there for me every second, and I love you more and more.”

    – the last entry in Navalny’s Telegram channel * February 14. There is a photo in it: a sad and as usual a little contemptuous looking Aleksei holds his Julia by the waist; she is standing sideways to him and looking up at him from beneath her eyebrows.
    Screenshot of the TG channel “Navalny”*

    Screenshot of the TG channel “Navalny”* [For once in my life I feel sorry for the bastard! Nowt worse than being deceived by a woman you love; likewise for women deceived by men whom they love — ME]

    A sad photo that says a lot.

    New Horizons

    The German publication BILD was pleased with the revelation: it turned out that Russia, Germany and the United States had discussed Navalny’s possible involvement with the Russian agent Vadim Krasikov, who is in a German prison. Allegedly, there was a possibility that Putin would release Navalny to the West in exchange for a Russian intelligence officer*. “Aleksei Navalny was about to be released,” says BILD columnist Philip Pyatov.

    If such an exchange had taken place, Julia Navalnaya would certainly have been pushed back into the shadows by her charismatic husband, along with Khodorkovsky, Kasparov, and other “leaders in exile” who would have had to bow down to Aleksei and join his team.

    However, some clever heads seem to have come up with a more advantageous and rewarding option. As they say, “two birds with one stone”. Julia Navalnaya was quite capable of replacing her husband as the main whistleblower and democrat – you don’t need a big mind there: just take some “facts” about corruption from the ceiling, add a little Russophobia, stir it all up, don’t shake.

    So there wasn’t much point in bringing Aleksei out of the cold. However, turning him into an icon of the liberal opposition was much more interesting.

    In this package, the flighty widow also received her bonuses. First of all, control over the financial flows of the “Russian opposition in exile”.

    And all this was clearly running through Julia’s head as she took the podium at the Munich conference.

    It was hard to hold back a triumphant smile.

    After all, there the widow not only addressed the audience in the role of a new fighter for the freedom of Russia, but met Ursula von der Leyen, the US Secretary of State E. Blinken, and even her Belarusian “colleague”, opposition activist S. Tikhanovskaya, whose husband Sergei is now in prison. [Rememember, Tikhanovskaya is the “President of the Belarus government in exile”! — ME]

    After the meeting, Tikhanovskaya wrote with anguish that “my husband may be next”. Sergey clearly needs to be more careful with packages received from his wife.

    Such a timely death

    Meanwhile, a media campaign in the top Western media continues to unfold around Navalny’s death.

    Britain’s The Economist:”Julia’s speech should encourage the countries participating in the Conference to strongly allocate aid to the Ukraine in order to “finish off their job”.

    Stanford University professor Francis Fukuyama told the Financial Times:”Julia and Daria [Navalny’s daughter] are the most likely candidates for the position of opposition leaders”.

    Joe Biden: “The death of Aleksei Navalny is a ‘war crime’ for which the Russian authorities are responsible”.

    And so just in time, everything happened right for them. As soon as Europe had begun to realize that Russia cannot be defeated, which means that injections into the Ukraine are useless; as soon as the Russian army takes Avdeevka, an event immediately happens that brings the anti-Russian discourse back into play…

    Who benefits?

    A rhetorical question.

    Russia does not benefit from the death of Aleksei Navalny – he was in the Arctic, in prison, where he did not threaten anyone with anything.

    But the West in one fell swoop received a luxurious PR bouquet, right on time for the Russian presidential election: the killer, the poisoner, the cruel tyrant Putin… everything is so familiar, hackneyed, boring to everyone, and therefore in need of regular replenishment with fresh blood.

    Who is this all designed for?

    Navalny* has never been particularly popular in Russia. He achieved 27% of the votes in the Moscow mayoral election of 2013 – a good result, but it seems to have been the upper limit of his achievement and a one-off occurrence; a load of stupid nonsense about him being the leader of the opposition, murky stories of “failed poisoning” in a country where there are a thousand cheaper and more reliable ways to eliminate a person; ugly scandals with a veteran; provocations that expose naive young idealists to the batons of the police.

    Russians had nothing to love Navalny for.

    All this is just a bloody theatre, in which the audience and actors seem to belong to the same party.

    ___________

    * Alexey Navalny was included in the register of persons involved in terrorism and extremism in Russia

    ** Mikhail Khodorkovsky has been entered by the Ministry of Justice of Russia into the register of individuals performing the function of a foreign agent, put on the international wanted list

    *** Evgeny Chichvarkin has been entered by the Ministry of Justice of Russia into the register of individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent.

    News Agency Novorossiya

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Navalny was no threat to Putin.

    Then why lock him in a Siberian prison? Why not debate him on television like a real man?

    Because Putin isn't a real man and everyone knows it. He's terrified of women asking him questions. He gave a female journalist 5 years for criticizing the war.

    Putin also probably resented Navalny for being tall.

    Bitter 5'1 men like Putin are extremely resentful of tall men. I don't think it is by chance that Putin put a fellow 5'1 dwarf in charge of Chechnya. His mafia Muslim midget pal Kadyrov. His Jewish propagandist is also under 5'3.

    Putin has a very sensitive ego and doesn't like standing next to tall men. Stalin was the same way and in fact would not stand for a picture with FDR. The famous WW2 picture of the three leaders has them sitting.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Wielgus

  862. @AP
    @Beckow


    …Neutrality meant poverty and being left behind by everyone else.

    Nonsense, Austria is neutral.
     
    Austria was fully integrated economically with the West, not with the East, it neutral only militarily.

    Russia wasn’t interested. Russian elites wanted integration with Ukraine which they consider to be a core part of Russia.

    Some did, but the dominant majority didn’t, incl. Putin until the last few years.

     

    Putin described the breakup of the USSR as a geopolitical catastrophe. By that, he didn't mean the end of the Communist economic system. It was the loss of Ukraine for Moscow. Neutrality for Ukraine would at best be tolerated as a stepping stone to later integration, as in the case of Belarus.

    The war only has one reason: the Nato attempt to move to Ukraine and the Ukies’ embrace of it
     
    So you lie. Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn't take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people. Oops.

    NATO was only important because membership in NATO would make union much more difficult if not impossible. But it was secondary to the primary cause - the goal of annexing Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.

    After reading Barbarossa’s comment, yesterday I finally mustered the will to watch most of Tucker’s interview and it is very clear that you are committing fraud here.

    Putin did spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why Ukraine is so important historically for Russia but eventually he used all those explanations to justify why he wouldn’t accept NATO bases there. From you own link:

    And then they say, “Ukraine won’t be in the NATO. You know?” I say, “I don’t know. I know you agreed in 2008. Why won’t you agree in the future?” “Well, they pressed us then.” I say, “Why won’t they press you tomorrow, and you’ll agree again?” Well, it’s nonsensical. Who’s there to talk to?

    during the elections in already independent sovereign Ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the Declaration of Independence, and by the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state, and in 2008 suddenly the doors or gates to NATO were open to it. Oh, come on. This is not how we agreed.

    All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO’s doors. How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side this would’ve been a culpable negligence. That’s what it would’ve been. It’s just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross, because doing so could have ruined Russia itself. Besides, we could not leave our brothers in faith, in fact, a part of Russian people in the face of this war machine.

    Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.

    The verdict here is tremendously clear. Putin did use NATO’s expansion as an argument to start his war in this interview and he did it repeatedly. By stating the contrary, you are actually more guilty of fraud than Trump. Let’s not forget that Trump’s loan application contained the disclaimer that it was just his own estimate and Deutsche Bank should do its due diligence. You have tried to distort Putin’s words here without any such disclaimer for Unz’s readers.

    If Gerard, for example, ever became the Attorney General in the state of your residence after campaigning on the promise that he would prosecute AP, he could easily use this post of yours as incriminating evidence and make you sell your house (or your wife’s Moscow apartment) to pay the fine he would impose on you. I would personally find such a conviction a miscarriage of justice and an abuse of power on the part of Gerard but, if you are consistent with your stated beliefs, you’d have to declare yourself guilty and pay up.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.

    After reading Barbarossa’s comment, yesterday I finally mustered the will to watch most of Tucker’s interview and it is very clear that you are committing fraud here.
     

    First of all, you are presenting a dishonest definition of Fraud, which is: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"

    You are using the word "fraud" incorrectly and inappropriately to try to say that my statement was dishonest or incorrect. Your claim is wrong.

    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn't take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples. He did this more than once during the interview. Therefore your claim that I committed "fraud" by saying that Tucker brought up NATO, but Putin didn't take the bait and discussed the union of two peoples is false.

    Example 1:


    (01:19)
    Mr. President, thank you. On February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started, and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

    Vladimir Putin (01:54):

    It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike in Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

    Tucker Carlson (02:06):

    Here’s the quote. Thank you. It’s a formidable, serious-

    Vladimir Putin (02:14):

    Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

    Tucker Carlson (02:18):

    Yes.

    Vladimir Putin (02:21):

    So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background. [this did not last 30 seconds LOL - AP]

     

    Example 2:

    Tucker Carlson (22:33):

    Well, that is, and there’s a lot of that though. I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well as you obviously know, but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned. But the fact is that you didn’t make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

    Vladimir Putin (23:15):

    I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so bear with me please. We’re coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established.

    ::::::::::::

    So more than once, Putin didn't take the bait and instead discussed history.

    Just like I said.


    Putin did spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why Ukraine is so important historically for Russia but eventually he used all those explanations to justify why he wouldn’t accept NATO bases there. From you own link:

     


    [Putin:] Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.
     
    That's not blaming NATO for the invasion. That's complaining that Russia didn't agree to NATO expansion. This statement does not support your claim.

    He did mention, after 47 minutes, "All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO’s doors. How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side this would’ve been a culpable negligence. That’s what it would’ve been. It’s just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross" that he was "pushed to the line." Implied, perhaps.


    The verdict here is tremendously clear. Putin did use NATO’s expansion as an argument to start his war in this interview and he did it repeatedly
     
    Repeatedly? He implied it once (a line we could not cross) but directly stated it once, and as one of several factors.

    You are committing "fraud" here.

    He focused on history and brushed aside Tucker's attempts to blame NATO until the end. It took one hour and thirty-six minutes and another Tucker prompt until Putin finally explicitly said that NATO was one of the factors.

    What is clear from this interview, is that NATO wasn't the most important thing - history and the idea of union was.

    After 1.5 hours Tucker again tries to get Putin to directly blame NATO expansion for the invasion:

    Tucker Carlson (01:34:33):

    I just have to ask, you’ve said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990. It’s a threat to your country. Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the president of Ukraine to join NATO. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?

    Vladimir Putin (01:35:03):

    I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d’etat through peaceful means but no one listened to us. And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete US control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements. They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory.

    (01:35:40)
    And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. They essentially began to create bases there. That’s all. Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality

    Vladimir Putin (01:36:00):

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.
    :::::::::::::::


    By stating the contrary, you are actually more guilty of fraud than Trump.
     
    Either you don't know what the word fraud means or are you using the word wrongly on purpose.

    Trump lied about the size of his property in order to get a bigger loan from a bank. That is fraud.
    Apparently he did this multiple time. You admitted that you are fine with such corruption. It is sad that this country allows in people with such a casual attitude towards fraud and corruption.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Mikel

  863. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Makes one wonder if he didn't actually kill himself but rather if his "suicide" was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons. But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    Makes one wonder if he didn’t actually kill himself but rather if his “suicide” was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons.

    I think he killed himself based on the telegram post. Especially because of this final comment:

    In the samurai code “Bushido”, which was written down on paper at the moment when the samurai began to forget it, it is written, among other things:

    “Often revenge is simply to break into the enemy’s house and die.

    That is a writer’s dark humorous take on his situation that could not be faked by a hitman and certainly not one in Russia. Allies of Putin that cross a line normally fall out of windows or have drowning accidents.

    It’s possible that he was expecting to be killed and chose suicide. But my guess is that he was already depressed over the war not going as planned and had guilt over cheering what he knew was the unjust side in a bloody disaster.

    But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    He might have been warned. Putin’s propagandist Vladimir Solovyov went on a big rant about how pro-Russian bloggers should be killed if they publish “damaging” (truthful) reports from the front. Solovyov never claimed that any of the reports were false. He just didn’t want it to be public.

    Russian totalitarians hate the internet and want to try and cover up as much as they can. Hard to deny information when your own pro-Russian blootlicker brigade is reporting it. Russia has also tried numerous times to claim a sunk ship or fire was an accident. Russian bloggers on the inside make that harder even if they support the dictatorship.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Well, TBF, it's possible that his last message was written by someone else posting as him, such as his killer(s). But I'm *probably* being too paranoid here. *Probably*. Not certainly.

    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    In Russian ww2 historiography it’s pretty obvious that Russian historians and press multiplied the casualties they suffered. Just too look more self sacrificial.

  864. @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    Navalny BS

    Re: CNN Aired Segment on 2/20/24, between 12 AM-12:30 AM (Pardon not having a link.)

    How come Navalny never released the report of his German examination which claims that he was infected with Novichok - a deadly substance which he survived? There was also the busted lie from Navalny's camp of his being poisoned via a drink given to him. CCTV footage showed that to not be the case.

    In another CNN segment, Erin Burnett let Christol Grozev lie with his claim that he proved the Russian government poisoned Navalny. To date, no such "proof" has been given.

    Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern and others make a compelling case that enemies of Russia might've poisoned Navalny. In point of fact, Russians have been killed in Russia, with foreign agents believed to have been behind such action.

    Navalny was no threat to Putin. Navalny was arrested on credible criminal charges which Western mass media downplays. He also was criminally negligent in being involved with holding illegal rallies, never accepting or requesting a permit which he in fact was offered in a major locale. That turndown on his part was likely because he would be unable to fill the capacity of the outdoor venue where he was granted clearance. His disrespectfully rude court manner didn't help him as well when it came to sentencing.

    How coincidental for his wife to be present at the Munich Security Conference, followed by her readiness to take the helm from her husband as a leader of some kind of political movement having very limited support in Russia.

    The Russian military and economic successes against the ongoing anti-Russian activism make Navalny's death a plus for anti-Russian propaganda, with no such benefit to Putin/Russia.

    Regarding his wife is a below comment from a Moscow based Brit (Click the link to get photos.):

    https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2024/02/05/we-come-not-to-praise-zelensky-but-to-bury-him/comment-page-2/#comment-95622


    moscowexile
    February 18, 2024 at 11:39 pm 

    The secret of Navalnaya’s smile: The King of oppositionists has died. Long live the Queen?
    https://dzen.ru/a/ZdHyEU8_NDj2JWf2

    The author of the book “Deceive me if you can”, psychologist Paul Ekman, has analyzed the behaviour of Julia Navalnaya, the widow of the recently deceased opposition leader. The expert’s attention was drawn to her strange “smile”, which Julia, when speaking in Munich, literally lit up against the background of her husband’s death.

    In fact, Ekman wasn’t the only one who had noticed this. The oddity arose from the very coincidence of dates: when reports of Navalny’s death* appeared, his wife surprisingly, as if according to the laws of Hollywood movies, showed up at an international security conference in Munich.

    By and large, she had nothing to do there – she had never been an expert and speaker on this topic. But then, “by the way”, the death of her husband had occurred, and just three hours after a message about his death had been received, she was already given the floor to address from the high rostrum.

    Everything seemed to go according to a script: a disconsolate widow, the political establishment of Europe gathered in one place, nodding sympathetically and grieving for Russian democracy. The perfect place and time for incriminating statements is ready: “Bloody Vlad Putin has viciously destroyed a real rival”.
    Photo: Sven Hoppe/dpa / Global Look Press

    Photo: Sven Hoppe/dpa / Global Look Press

    However, as for grief, there are some oddities. The widow barely suppresses a smile as she speaks, as if she has won a contest or won a lottery ticket.

    “Yulia Navalnaya’s reaction is not the reaction of a woman who has just learnt about the death of her beloved husband. Before us is a domineering woman who, after the death of her husband, has finally received the attention of our world. That’s what she wanted – for the whole world to talk about her”

    – believes the psychologist.

    Indeed, the usual, unfortunately personally known to very many of us, human reaction to the death of a loved one is depression, a “shutdown” of one’s vital forces, internal devastation. There’s no time to smile. Not a single facial muscle will move, the muscles around the mouth will not tighten – there is not one extra ounce of strength for this.

    The Earth is empty without you

    How can I but live for a few hours?

    No, it was clear that with such thoughts Julia Navalnaya was not concerned when standing on the podium.

    My husband is in the know

    As befits a respectable politician, Navalny* all his life tried to maintain for others at least the appearance of a good and strong family. A beautiful wife, two dear children-daughter Daria and son Zachary.

    However, as soon as her husband ended up behind bars, all this projected imagery collapsed with a crash, if not, indeed, rejected by the impatient “New Decembrist”. [Reference to the Decembrists of 1825 who attempted to have a constitutional monarchy installed in the Russian Empire. The leaders of the Decembrists were publicly hanged, the rest were sent into exile in Siberia. The exiled Decembrists’ wifes dutifully followed them — ME] Those real Decembrists followed their husbands to the east, to Siberia – this one went the other way, to the west, to the arms of caring sponsors.

    The truth was revealed by Navalny’s former assistant Anna Gonchar. According to her, in 2021, Julia began an affair with Chichvarkin***, the ex-co-owner of the Euroset mobile phone store chain, who fled to the UK in 2008. The relationship between them began immediately after her departure from Russia and lasted for several months. Chichvarkin sponsored the Foundation [“…for the fight against corruption”, the Bullshitter’s money -making scam — ME] and paid for Navalny’s treatment in Germany in 2020.

    This is the photograph that outraged even his [Navalny’s — ME] closest associates. Her husband is in prison, and she is already posing in an embrace with another, with puppy-like joy on her face, picturesquely standing on her tiptoes.
    Screenshot of the TG channel "A000MP97"

    Screenshot of the TG channel “A000MP97”. [Chichvarkin is a criminal, by the way: fucked off ages ago with a load of dosh to Londonistan . . . I mean, to where else? — ME]

    In response to the bewilderment of employees, Navalnaya explained that her imprisoned husband knew what was happening between her and the runaway businessman.

    After Chichvarkin, Navalnaya turned her attention to the Bulgarian journalist Hristo Grozdev. In her own words, he “got along well with the children, replacing the father figure they needed so much”.
    Screenshot of the TG channel "A000MP97"

    Screenshot of the TG channel “A000MP97”

    With Grozdev, Navalnaya vacationed in Nice in the summer, and at Christmas in the resort of Chamonix-Mont Blanc. All these tours were organized by Gonchar, who finally got tired of improving the personal life of the flighty wife of the opposition leader instead of striving to create a “Beautiful Russia of the Future”. [Navalny slogan that he peddled to his kiddie followers — ME]

    “it all ended with my organizing leisure activities for Aleksei’s wife in the company of various men, while Aleksei himself is in prison“

    – said the Gonchar and slammed the door on Navalnaya, at the same time revealing what is called an inconvenient truth.

    However, the inconvenient truth did not interest anyone in the West, where they are so fond of denouncing the morals of Russian politicians.

    But this was different.

    “Baby, we have everything as in the song: between us cities, airport runway lights, blue snowstorms and thousands of kilometres. But I feel like you’re there for me every second, and I love you more and more.”

    – the last entry in Navalny’s Telegram channel * February 14. There is a photo in it: a sad and as usual a little contemptuous looking Aleksei holds his Julia by the waist; she is standing sideways to him and looking up at him from beneath her eyebrows.
    Screenshot of the TG channel "Navalny"*

    Screenshot of the TG channel “Navalny”* [For once in my life I feel sorry for the bastard! Nowt worse than being deceived by a woman you love; likewise for women deceived by men whom they love — ME]

    A sad photo that says a lot.

    New Horizons

    The German publication BILD was pleased with the revelation: it turned out that Russia, Germany and the United States had discussed Navalny’s possible involvement with the Russian agent Vadim Krasikov, who is in a German prison. Allegedly, there was a possibility that Putin would release Navalny to the West in exchange for a Russian intelligence officer*. “Aleksei Navalny was about to be released,” says BILD columnist Philip Pyatov.

    If such an exchange had taken place, Julia Navalnaya would certainly have been pushed back into the shadows by her charismatic husband, along with Khodorkovsky, Kasparov, and other “leaders in exile” who would have had to bow down to Aleksei and join his team.

    However, some clever heads seem to have come up with a more advantageous and rewarding option. As they say, “two birds with one stone”. Julia Navalnaya was quite capable of replacing her husband as the main whistleblower and democrat – you don’t need a big mind there: just take some “facts” about corruption from the ceiling, add a little Russophobia, stir it all up, don’t shake.

    So there wasn’t much point in bringing Aleksei out of the cold. However, turning him into an icon of the liberal opposition was much more interesting.

    In this package, the flighty widow also received her bonuses. First of all, control over the financial flows of the “Russian opposition in exile”.

    And all this was clearly running through Julia’s head as she took the podium at the Munich conference.

    It was hard to hold back a triumphant smile.

    After all, there the widow not only addressed the audience in the role of a new fighter for the freedom of Russia, but met Ursula von der Leyen, the US Secretary of State E. Blinken, and even her Belarusian “colleague”, opposition activist S. Tikhanovskaya, whose husband Sergei is now in prison. [Rememember, Tikhanovskaya is the “President of the Belarus government in exile”! — ME]

    After the meeting, Tikhanovskaya wrote with anguish that “my husband may be next”. Sergey clearly needs to be more careful with packages received from his wife.

    Such a timely death

    Meanwhile, a media campaign in the top Western media continues to unfold around Navalny’s death.

    Britain’s The Economist:”Julia’s speech should encourage the countries participating in the Conference to strongly allocate aid to the Ukraine in order to “finish off their job”.

    Stanford University professor Francis Fukuyama told the Financial Times:”Julia and Daria [Navalny’s daughter] are the most likely candidates for the position of opposition leaders”.

    Joe Biden: “The death of Aleksei Navalny is a ‘war crime’ for which the Russian authorities are responsible”.

    And so just in time, everything happened right for them. As soon as Europe had begun to realize that Russia cannot be defeated, which means that injections into the Ukraine are useless; as soon as the Russian army takes Avdeevka, an event immediately happens that brings the anti-Russian discourse back into play…

    Who benefits?

    A rhetorical question.

    Russia does not benefit from the death of Aleksei Navalny – he was in the Arctic, in prison, where he did not threaten anyone with anything.

    But the West in one fell swoop received a luxurious PR bouquet, right on time for the Russian presidential election: the killer, the poisoner, the cruel tyrant Putin… everything is so familiar, hackneyed, boring to everyone, and therefore in need of regular replenishment with fresh blood.

    Who is this all designed for?

    Navalny* has never been particularly popular in Russia. He achieved 27% of the votes in the Moscow mayoral election of 2013 – a good result, but it seems to have been the upper limit of his achievement and a one-off occurrence; a load of stupid nonsense about him being the leader of the opposition, murky stories of “failed poisoning” in a country where there are a thousand cheaper and more reliable ways to eliminate a person; ugly scandals with a veteran; provocations that expose naive young idealists to the batons of the police.

    Russians had nothing to love Navalny for.

    All this is just a bloody theatre, in which the audience and actors seem to belong to the same party.

    ___________

    * Alexey Navalny was included in the register of persons involved in terrorism and extremism in Russia

    ** Mikhail Khodorkovsky has been entered by the Ministry of Justice of Russia into the register of individuals performing the function of a foreign agent, put on the international wanted list

    *** Evgeny Chichvarkin has been entered by the Ministry of Justice of Russia into the register of individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent.

    News Agency Novorossiya


     

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Navalny was no threat to Putin.

    Then why lock him in a Siberian prison? Why not debate him on television like a real man?

    Because Putin isn’t a real man and everyone knows it. He’s terrified of women asking him questions. He gave a female journalist 5 years for criticizing the war.

    Putin also probably resented Navalny for being tall.

    Bitter 5’1 men like Putin are extremely resentful of tall men. I don’t think it is by chance that Putin put a fellow 5’1 dwarf in charge of Chechnya. His mafia Muslim midget pal Kadyrov. His Jewish propagandist is also under 5’3.

    Putin has a very sensitive ego and doesn’t like standing next to tall men. Stalin was the same way and in fact would not stand for a picture with FDR. The famous WW2 picture of the three leaders has them sitting.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    What you say of Putin is definitely more true of Zelensky.

    Putin had no need to debate someone of Navalny's low level of popularity. Milosevic and Epstein died in captivity under dubious circumstances. A major difference is that they had some eye opening things to say against some of those from the establishment jailing them - much unlike what Navalny had to offer.

    Navalny had credible charges made against him in stark contrast to Gonzalo Lira's fatal death in Kiev regime controlled Ukrainian captivity.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Wielgus
    @John Johnson

    FDR was crippled by polio and could not stand at all, without support. This was a secret well-kept from the American public who might have questioned his fitness to be President.
    Nowadays we can have Presidents who forget where they are or even who is living and who is dead, like Biden, and nobody seems to care.

  865. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Navalny was no threat to Putin.

    Then why lock him in a Siberian prison? Why not debate him on television like a real man?

    Because Putin isn't a real man and everyone knows it. He's terrified of women asking him questions. He gave a female journalist 5 years for criticizing the war.

    Putin also probably resented Navalny for being tall.

    Bitter 5'1 men like Putin are extremely resentful of tall men. I don't think it is by chance that Putin put a fellow 5'1 dwarf in charge of Chechnya. His mafia Muslim midget pal Kadyrov. His Jewish propagandist is also under 5'3.

    Putin has a very sensitive ego and doesn't like standing next to tall men. Stalin was the same way and in fact would not stand for a picture with FDR. The famous WW2 picture of the three leaders has them sitting.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Wielgus

    What you say of Putin is definitely more true of Zelensky.

    Putin had no need to debate someone of Navalny’s low level of popularity. Milosevic and Epstein died in captivity under dubious circumstances. A major difference is that they had some eye opening things to say against some of those from the establishment jailing them – much unlike what Navalny had to offer.

    Navalny had credible charges made against him in stark contrast to Gonzalo Lira’s fatal death in Kiev regime controlled Ukrainian captivity.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Putin had no need to debate someone of Navalny’s low level of popularity.

    So you believe Putin would have debated him if he had been more popular?

    Why doesn't Putin allow a free press if he values debate?

    Navalny had credible charges made against him in stark contrast to Gonzalo Lira’s fatal death in Kiev regime controlled Ukrainian captivity.

    What in your opinion is the strongest evidence in the "rehabilitating Nazi ideology" charge?

    Why was the trial behind closed doors if the charges were credible?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

  866. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    What you say of Putin is definitely more true of Zelensky.

    Putin had no need to debate someone of Navalny's low level of popularity. Milosevic and Epstein died in captivity under dubious circumstances. A major difference is that they had some eye opening things to say against some of those from the establishment jailing them - much unlike what Navalny had to offer.

    Navalny had credible charges made against him in stark contrast to Gonzalo Lira's fatal death in Kiev regime controlled Ukrainian captivity.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Putin had no need to debate someone of Navalny’s low level of popularity.

    So you believe Putin would have debated him if he had been more popular?

    Why doesn’t Putin allow a free press if he values debate?

    Navalny had credible charges made against him in stark contrast to Gonzalo Lira’s fatal death in Kiev regime controlled Ukrainian captivity.

    What in your opinion is the strongest evidence in the “rehabilitating Nazi ideology” charge?

    Why was the trial behind closed doors if the charges were credible?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Was Gonzalo Lira's trial also behind closed doors or was it out in the open?

    BTW, it's quite interesting that German nationalists in 1939 were very likely quite happy to have a state that they could call their own, similar to Russian nationalists in 2022. But then in both cases the myasorubka began, including of their own people in large numbers. (Myasorubka means "meat-grinder" in Russian.)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Your sincere concern for the well being of the average Russian is duly noted John Johnson.

  867. Don’t recall it being behind closed doors.

    Lira’s “crime” was saying things the Kiev regime didn’t like. Some free open society of a democracy.

    Putin has dealt with a hostile media in a way that Biden and numerous Western leader haven’t.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Don’t recall it being behind closed doors.

    Ok I will use Google for you:

    The trial of Navalny, Russian President Vladimir Putin's fiercest domestic critic, unfolded behind closed doors and highly unusual circumstances.

    In Friday's ruling, the court found Navalny had retroactively financed and incited "extremist activities" through his now-defunct Anti-Corruption Foundation. Judges also found the opposition leader guilty of "rehabilitating Nazi ideology."

    https://www.npr.org/2023/08/04/1191809199/navalny-prison-sentence-russia-putin-kremlin

    Lira’s “crime” was saying things the Kiev regime didn’t like. Some free open society of a democracy.

    Why didn't Lira contact the US embassy if he needed medical assistance while in prison? How do we know his chain smoking habit didn't kill him?

    What exactly was so damning that Lira had to say? Why didn't he leave an article summarizing his positions?

    Putin has dealt with a hostile media in a way that Biden and numerous Western leader haven’t.

    So you think Biden should lock journalists away for 5 years for criticizing the government? Should Ron Unz get 5 years for criticizing the US government over Gaza?

    Replies: @Mikhail

  868. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Makes one wonder if he didn’t actually kill himself but rather if his “suicide” was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons.

    I think he killed himself based on the telegram post. Especially because of this final comment:

    In the samurai code "Bushido", which was written down on paper at the moment when the samurai began to forget it, it is written, among other things:

    "Often revenge is simply to break into the enemy's house and die.

    That is a writer's dark humorous take on his situation that could not be faked by a hitman and certainly not one in Russia. Allies of Putin that cross a line normally fall out of windows or have drowning accidents.

    It's possible that he was expecting to be killed and chose suicide. But my guess is that he was already depressed over the war not going as planned and had guilt over cheering what he knew was the unjust side in a bloody disaster.

    But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    He might have been warned. Putin's propagandist Vladimir Solovyov went on a big rant about how pro-Russian bloggers should be killed if they publish "damaging" (truthful) reports from the front. Solovyov never claimed that any of the reports were false. He just didn't want it to be public.

    Russian totalitarians hate the internet and want to try and cover up as much as they can. Hard to deny information when your own pro-Russian blootlicker brigade is reporting it. Russia has also tried numerous times to claim a sunk ship or fire was an accident. Russian bloggers on the inside make that harder even if they support the dictatorship.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

    Well, TBF, it’s possible that his last message was written by someone else posting as him, such as his killer(s). But I’m *probably* being too paranoid here. *Probably*. Not certainly.

  869. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Putin had no need to debate someone of Navalny’s low level of popularity.

    So you believe Putin would have debated him if he had been more popular?

    Why doesn't Putin allow a free press if he values debate?

    Navalny had credible charges made against him in stark contrast to Gonzalo Lira’s fatal death in Kiev regime controlled Ukrainian captivity.

    What in your opinion is the strongest evidence in the "rehabilitating Nazi ideology" charge?

    Why was the trial behind closed doors if the charges were credible?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

    Was Gonzalo Lira’s trial also behind closed doors or was it out in the open?

    BTW, it’s quite interesting that German nationalists in 1939 were very likely quite happy to have a state that they could call their own, similar to Russian nationalists in 2022. But then in both cases the myasorubka began, including of their own people in large numbers. (Myasorubka means “meat-grinder” in Russian.)

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    Navalny's trial wasn't behind closed doors.

  870. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.
     
    After reading Barbarossa's comment, yesterday I finally mustered the will to watch most of Tucker's interview and it is very clear that you are committing fraud here.

    Putin did spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why Ukraine is so important historically for Russia but eventually he used all those explanations to justify why he wouldn't accept NATO bases there. From you own link:

    And then they say, “Ukraine won’t be in the NATO. You know?” I say, “I don’t know. I know you agreed in 2008. Why won’t you agree in the future?” “Well, they pressed us then.” I say, “Why won’t they press you tomorrow, and you’ll agree again?” Well, it’s nonsensical. Who’s there to talk to?
    ...
    during the elections in already independent sovereign Ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the Declaration of Independence, and by the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state, and in 2008 suddenly the doors or gates to NATO were open to it. Oh, come on. This is not how we agreed.
    ...
    All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO’s doors. How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side this would’ve been a culpable negligence. That’s what it would’ve been. It’s just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross, because doing so could have ruined Russia itself. Besides, we could not leave our brothers in faith, in fact, a part of Russian people in the face of this war machine.
    ...
    Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.

     
    The verdict here is tremendously clear. Putin did use NATO's expansion as an argument to start his war in this interview and he did it repeatedly. By stating the contrary, you are actually more guilty of fraud than Trump. Let's not forget that Trump's loan application contained the disclaimer that it was just his own estimate and Deutsche Bank should do its due diligence. You have tried to distort Putin's words here without any such disclaimer for Unz's readers.

    If Gerard, for example, ever became the Attorney General in the state of your residence after campaigning on the promise that he would prosecute AP, he could easily use this post of yours as incriminating evidence and make you sell your house (or your wife's Moscow apartment) to pay the fine he would impose on you. I would personally find such a conviction a miscarriage of justice and an abuse of power on the part of Gerard but, if you are consistent with your stated beliefs, you'd have to declare yourself guilty and pay up.

    Replies: @AP

    Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.

    After reading Barbarossa’s comment, yesterday I finally mustered the will to watch most of Tucker’s interview and it is very clear that you are committing fraud here.

    First of all, you are presenting a dishonest definition of Fraud, which is: “wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain”

    You are using the word “fraud” incorrectly and inappropriately to try to say that my statement was dishonest or incorrect. Your claim is wrong.

    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn’t take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples. He did this more than once during the interview. Therefore your claim that I committed “fraud” by saying that Tucker brought up NATO, but Putin didn’t take the bait and discussed the union of two peoples is false.

    Example 1:

    (01:19)
    Mr. President, thank you. On February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started, and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

    Vladimir Putin (01:54):

    It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike in Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

    Tucker Carlson (02:06):

    Here’s the quote. Thank you. It’s a formidable, serious-

    Vladimir Putin (02:14):

    Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

    Tucker Carlson (02:18):

    Yes.

    Vladimir Putin (02:21):

    So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background. [this did not last 30 seconds LOL – AP]

    Example 2:

    Tucker Carlson (22:33):

    Well, that is, and there’s a lot of that though. I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well as you obviously know, but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned. But the fact is that you didn’t make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

    Vladimir Putin (23:15):

    I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so bear with me please. We’re coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established.

    ::::::::::::

    So more than once, Putin didn’t take the bait and instead discussed history.

    Just like I said.

    Putin did spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why Ukraine is so important historically for Russia but eventually he used all those explanations to justify why he wouldn’t accept NATO bases there. From you own link:

    [Putin:] Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.

    That’s not blaming NATO for the invasion. That’s complaining that Russia didn’t agree to NATO expansion. This statement does not support your claim.

    He did mention, after 47 minutes, “All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO’s doors. How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side this would’ve been a culpable negligence. That’s what it would’ve been. It’s just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross” that he was “pushed to the line.” Implied, perhaps.

    The verdict here is tremendously clear. Putin did use NATO’s expansion as an argument to start his war in this interview and he did it repeatedly

    Repeatedly? He implied it once (a line we could not cross) but directly stated it once, and as one of several factors.

    You are committing “fraud” here.

    He focused on history and brushed aside Tucker’s attempts to blame NATO until the end. It took one hour and thirty-six minutes and another Tucker prompt until Putin finally explicitly said that NATO was one of the factors.

    What is clear from this interview, is that NATO wasn’t the most important thing – history and the idea of union was.

    After 1.5 hours Tucker again tries to get Putin to directly blame NATO expansion for the invasion:

    [MORE]

    Tucker Carlson (01:34:33):

    I just have to ask, you’ve said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990. It’s a threat to your country. Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the president of Ukraine to join NATO. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?

    Vladimir Putin (01:35:03):

    I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d’etat through peaceful means but no one listened to us. And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete US control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements. They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory.

    (01:35:40)
    And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. They essentially began to create bases there. That’s all. Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality

    Vladimir Putin (01:36:00):

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.
    :::::::::::::::

    By stating the contrary, you are actually more guilty of fraud than Trump.

    Either you don’t know what the word fraud means or are you using the word wrongly on purpose.

    Trump lied about the size of his property in order to get a bigger loan from a bank. That is fraud.
    Apparently he did this multiple time. You admitted that you are fine with such corruption. It is sad that this country allows in people with such a casual attitude towards fraud and corruption.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.

     

    Meanwhile, if one wants to take a look at trends in Russia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Ukrainian_ethnic_group_population_pyramid_2021.svg/1024px-Ukrainian_ethnic_group_population_pyramid_2021.svg.png

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Belarusians_ethnic_group_population_pyramid_2021.svg/1024px-Belarusians_ethnic_group_population_pyramid_2021.svg.png

    The descendants of Ukrainians and Belarusians in Russia are rapidly losing their identities and becoming Russians instead.

    Yet for Ukraine to insist on a much slower reverse process in regards to this in Ukraine is apparently pure evil according to Putin.

    , @LatW
    @AP

    Btw, here is an interesting interview (if you have time to listen), making rather convincing arguments for Ukraine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlD3HUTQAag&t=3919s

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn’t take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples.
     
    But you are forgetting that I watched almost the full interview, including the parts after that. Didn't I explain that clearly enough?

    It was obvious that he kept going back to historical matters, both from ancient and from recent times, as a prelude to explaining why expanding NATO to Ukraine was the last straw that he wouldn't accept. He said so explicitly, as I've shown. This is by the way not a position I agree with if the consequence is unleashing a major war, but what he said is what he said. I have proven it by using your own link.

    You may be able to commit argumentative fraud for political gain by stating that Putin didn't say what he did say and get away with it with people who didn't watch the interview but that is impossible with me because I did watch it almost to the end (by that point the main issues had been discussed and I just went to bed). Don't waste your time so pointlessly.

    You are using the word “fraud” incorrectly and inappropriately to try to say that my statement was dishonest or incorrect.
     
    I knew you would protest and be inconsistent with your own claims of how justice should work when it's you (not Nikki Haley's opponent) who must bear the consequences but the defendant doesn't get to choose how justice is applied. The verdict is in and now you have 30 days to hand over possession of your properties. If you do that, you may get the chance of appealing to a different court. Even though you're only going to find judges of a similar ideology as Gerard in that jurisdiction, like Mikhail and AnonfromTN, they may be more lenient and allow you to downsize to a smaller family home.

    Take it up with them. I have just limited myself to proving what your interpretation of the interview was totally misleading and to passing an impartial sentence in the sole interest of combating argumentative corruption in these threads.

    Replies: @AP

  871. Seriously, WTF, Wikipedia????!!!!!!

    Despite these differences, domestic ducks frequently mate with Canada geese, producing fully fertile hybrid offspring.[8]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_duck

    They must mean “mallards.”

    Anyway, I was wondering whether duck domestication must have preceded wet rice agriculture, for pest control. But would say it does not seem obvious, if so.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    There are thousands of hybrids between Canadian geese and this fellow.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Daffy_Duck.svg/499px-Daffy_Duck.svg.png

  872. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    He's a Pulitzer prize winning political cartoonist with millions of people reading his output. Besides drawing brilliant cartoons, did you know that he also writes many political essays too? His abilities to influence many minds is prolific. How about you, are you getting a lot of traction with your brilliant commentary here at UNZ? Here' one that I think that AP might appreciate:

    https://www.presstelegram.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/mrz101021dAPR-1.jpg?w=620

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    He influences practically nothing. Smug system friendly is a good descriptor.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    "Smug system descriptor" (?) or just extremely talented? I can see why, however, he wouldn't be popular among the kremlin stooge crowd.

    Awards:
    1994: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning
    1995: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    1996: Mencken Award for Editorial Cartooning, presented by Free Press Association[19]
    1997: UCI Medal, University of California, Irvine
    1997: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2004: Lincoln Fellow, Claremont Institute
    2005: Scripps Howard Foundation, National Journalism Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2006: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2007: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning[1]
    2008: Fischetti Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2011: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning[20]
    2013: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2014: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2015: National Cartoonist Society The Reuben Award
    2018: Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site Advancing American Democracy Award
    Honorary Member of Pi Sigma Alpha, National Political Honor Society

    https://www.michaelpramirez.com/uploads/3/4/9/8/34985326/mrz022024-color-copy_orig.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  873. @AP
    @Mikel


    Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.

    After reading Barbarossa’s comment, yesterday I finally mustered the will to watch most of Tucker’s interview and it is very clear that you are committing fraud here.
     

    First of all, you are presenting a dishonest definition of Fraud, which is: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"

    You are using the word "fraud" incorrectly and inappropriately to try to say that my statement was dishonest or incorrect. Your claim is wrong.

    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn't take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples. He did this more than once during the interview. Therefore your claim that I committed "fraud" by saying that Tucker brought up NATO, but Putin didn't take the bait and discussed the union of two peoples is false.

    Example 1:


    (01:19)
    Mr. President, thank you. On February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started, and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

    Vladimir Putin (01:54):

    It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike in Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

    Tucker Carlson (02:06):

    Here’s the quote. Thank you. It’s a formidable, serious-

    Vladimir Putin (02:14):

    Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

    Tucker Carlson (02:18):

    Yes.

    Vladimir Putin (02:21):

    So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background. [this did not last 30 seconds LOL - AP]

     

    Example 2:

    Tucker Carlson (22:33):

    Well, that is, and there’s a lot of that though. I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well as you obviously know, but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned. But the fact is that you didn’t make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

    Vladimir Putin (23:15):

    I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so bear with me please. We’re coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established.

    ::::::::::::

    So more than once, Putin didn't take the bait and instead discussed history.

    Just like I said.


    Putin did spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why Ukraine is so important historically for Russia but eventually he used all those explanations to justify why he wouldn’t accept NATO bases there. From you own link:

     


    [Putin:] Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.
     
    That's not blaming NATO for the invasion. That's complaining that Russia didn't agree to NATO expansion. This statement does not support your claim.

    He did mention, after 47 minutes, "All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO’s doors. How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side this would’ve been a culpable negligence. That’s what it would’ve been. It’s just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross" that he was "pushed to the line." Implied, perhaps.


    The verdict here is tremendously clear. Putin did use NATO’s expansion as an argument to start his war in this interview and he did it repeatedly
     
    Repeatedly? He implied it once (a line we could not cross) but directly stated it once, and as one of several factors.

    You are committing "fraud" here.

    He focused on history and brushed aside Tucker's attempts to blame NATO until the end. It took one hour and thirty-six minutes and another Tucker prompt until Putin finally explicitly said that NATO was one of the factors.

    What is clear from this interview, is that NATO wasn't the most important thing - history and the idea of union was.

    After 1.5 hours Tucker again tries to get Putin to directly blame NATO expansion for the invasion:

    Tucker Carlson (01:34:33):

    I just have to ask, you’ve said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990. It’s a threat to your country. Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the president of Ukraine to join NATO. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?

    Vladimir Putin (01:35:03):

    I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d’etat through peaceful means but no one listened to us. And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete US control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements. They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory.

    (01:35:40)
    And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. They essentially began to create bases there. That’s all. Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality

    Vladimir Putin (01:36:00):

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.
    :::::::::::::::


    By stating the contrary, you are actually more guilty of fraud than Trump.
     
    Either you don't know what the word fraud means or are you using the word wrongly on purpose.

    Trump lied about the size of his property in order to get a bigger loan from a bank. That is fraud.
    Apparently he did this multiple time. You admitted that you are fine with such corruption. It is sad that this country allows in people with such a casual attitude towards fraud and corruption.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Mikel

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.

    Meanwhile, if one wants to take a look at trends in Russia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia

    The descendants of Ukrainians and Belarusians in Russia are rapidly losing their identities and becoming Russians instead.

    Yet for Ukraine to insist on a much slower reverse process in regards to this in Ukraine is apparently pure evil according to Putin.

  874. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Putin had no need to debate someone of Navalny’s low level of popularity.

    So you believe Putin would have debated him if he had been more popular?

    Why doesn't Putin allow a free press if he values debate?

    Navalny had credible charges made against him in stark contrast to Gonzalo Lira’s fatal death in Kiev regime controlled Ukrainian captivity.

    What in your opinion is the strongest evidence in the "rehabilitating Nazi ideology" charge?

    Why was the trial behind closed doors if the charges were credible?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

    Your sincere concern for the well being of the average Russian is duly noted John Johnson.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  875. @AP
    @Mikel


    Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.

    After reading Barbarossa’s comment, yesterday I finally mustered the will to watch most of Tucker’s interview and it is very clear that you are committing fraud here.
     

    First of all, you are presenting a dishonest definition of Fraud, which is: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"

    You are using the word "fraud" incorrectly and inappropriately to try to say that my statement was dishonest or incorrect. Your claim is wrong.

    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn't take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples. He did this more than once during the interview. Therefore your claim that I committed "fraud" by saying that Tucker brought up NATO, but Putin didn't take the bait and discussed the union of two peoples is false.

    Example 1:


    (01:19)
    Mr. President, thank you. On February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started, and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

    Vladimir Putin (01:54):

    It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike in Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

    Tucker Carlson (02:06):

    Here’s the quote. Thank you. It’s a formidable, serious-

    Vladimir Putin (02:14):

    Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

    Tucker Carlson (02:18):

    Yes.

    Vladimir Putin (02:21):

    So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background. [this did not last 30 seconds LOL - AP]

     

    Example 2:

    Tucker Carlson (22:33):

    Well, that is, and there’s a lot of that though. I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well as you obviously know, but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned. But the fact is that you didn’t make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

    Vladimir Putin (23:15):

    I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so bear with me please. We’re coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established.

    ::::::::::::

    So more than once, Putin didn't take the bait and instead discussed history.

    Just like I said.


    Putin did spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why Ukraine is so important historically for Russia but eventually he used all those explanations to justify why he wouldn’t accept NATO bases there. From you own link:

     


    [Putin:] Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.
     
    That's not blaming NATO for the invasion. That's complaining that Russia didn't agree to NATO expansion. This statement does not support your claim.

    He did mention, after 47 minutes, "All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO’s doors. How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side this would’ve been a culpable negligence. That’s what it would’ve been. It’s just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross" that he was "pushed to the line." Implied, perhaps.


    The verdict here is tremendously clear. Putin did use NATO’s expansion as an argument to start his war in this interview and he did it repeatedly
     
    Repeatedly? He implied it once (a line we could not cross) but directly stated it once, and as one of several factors.

    You are committing "fraud" here.

    He focused on history and brushed aside Tucker's attempts to blame NATO until the end. It took one hour and thirty-six minutes and another Tucker prompt until Putin finally explicitly said that NATO was one of the factors.

    What is clear from this interview, is that NATO wasn't the most important thing - history and the idea of union was.

    After 1.5 hours Tucker again tries to get Putin to directly blame NATO expansion for the invasion:

    Tucker Carlson (01:34:33):

    I just have to ask, you’ve said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990. It’s a threat to your country. Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the president of Ukraine to join NATO. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?

    Vladimir Putin (01:35:03):

    I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d’etat through peaceful means but no one listened to us. And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete US control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements. They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory.

    (01:35:40)
    And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. They essentially began to create bases there. That’s all. Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality

    Vladimir Putin (01:36:00):

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.
    :::::::::::::::


    By stating the contrary, you are actually more guilty of fraud than Trump.
     
    Either you don't know what the word fraud means or are you using the word wrongly on purpose.

    Trump lied about the size of his property in order to get a bigger loan from a bank. That is fraud.
    Apparently he did this multiple time. You admitted that you are fine with such corruption. It is sad that this country allows in people with such a casual attitude towards fraud and corruption.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Mikel

    Btw, here is an interesting interview (if you have time to listen), making rather convincing arguments for Ukraine:

    • Thanks: AP, Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW

    Thank you. I’ll try to get to it, but generally strongly prefer transcripts to videos.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    Joseph Lindsley is a frequent contributor to the veryt interesting Rock Rachon show. He's always worth a listen. I believe that Rock recently has moved his show to another platform. Lindsley is once again offering his knowledgeable opinions in this recent segment:

    https://youtu.be/Rgcka2sXHu4

  876. @songbird
    Seriously, WTF, Wikipedia????!!!!!!

    Despite these differences, domestic ducks frequently mate with Canada geese, producing fully fertile hybrid offspring.[8]
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_duck

    They must mean "mallards."

    Anyway, I was wondering whether duck domestication must have preceded wet rice agriculture, for pest control. But would say it does not seem obvious, if so.
    https://youtu.be/2DlIvtoKl5k?si=9PNU6Sw5TaV4IyJH

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There are thousands of hybrids between Canadian geese and this fellow.

    • LOL: songbird
  877. Blinken and collective west media hacks busted up good by a savvy diplomat:

  878. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Was Gonzalo Lira's trial also behind closed doors or was it out in the open?

    BTW, it's quite interesting that German nationalists in 1939 were very likely quite happy to have a state that they could call their own, similar to Russian nationalists in 2022. But then in both cases the myasorubka began, including of their own people in large numbers. (Myasorubka means "meat-grinder" in Russian.)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Navalny’s trial wasn’t behind closed doors.

  879. Gilbert Doctorow makes the interesting point the loons in NATO probably believed their stalemate nonsense, the capture of Avdeevka, with the storming from the sewer tunnel, has shattered this, hence the hysterical calls for more wunderwaffe.

  880. @Beckow
    @Coconuts

    It was in that context. Mussolini made the speech in Istria given to Italy after WW1 - he wanted a lot more, Fiume and Dalmatia. After WW2 Istria was given to Croatia.

    Italian fascism was a direct outgrowth of the dispute between Italy and Yugoslavia over who gets Dalmatia. The rich Italians funded fascism to suppress socialism. It had nothing to do with Jews. Fascism was originally conceived as "national unity" (that's what it means) - it adopted the one-nation idea from UK and Germany's conservative Bismarck reforms (pensions, etc...).

    Fascism was an attempt by the more nationally oriented rich people and people they sponsored (like Mussolini) to provide social benefits and stability for lower classes without losing the ownership of most assets. It worked quite well in that area - FDR and post-WW2 Western 'boom' were based on the same one-nation idea.

    It has fallen apart in the last few decades: there is no concept of a "nation" in liberal globalism, so why care? More importantly the fear of actual "socialism" Is gone. Why pacify with social goodies people who don't ask for it and have been trained to hate "socialism", too stupid to act in their own self-interest?

    It is actually kind of brilliant, and all it took is some good story-telling and lots of money...and the realization that most people are very stupid. So they get the shaft...

    Replies: @Coconuts

    The rich Italians funded fascism to suppress socialism.

    It was interesting that part of the Italian far-left was prepared to ally with them (Mussolini came from this sort of syndicalist background), because revisionist forms of Marxism became pretty popular in the Italian labour movement and WW1 seemed to prove the greater power of the national idea, compared to proletarian revolution. There was awareness that the Italian proletariat was too small to carry out a revolution against the middle class and the old economic elite.

    Fascism was an attempt by the more nationally oriented rich people and people they sponsored (like Mussolini) to provide social benefits and stability for lower classes without losing the ownership of most assets.

    In Italy they also had the problem of a weak industrial base, and the belief that it couldn’t develop without state intervention (probably true). Fascism was one way of mobilising the power of the state to build up industry, it produced that weird thing that by the late 30s among European countries only the USSR had higher levels of state ownership of industry than Italy.

    [MORE]

    More importantly the fear of actual “socialism” Is gone.

    I was watching a documentary about the big 1984 miners’ strike in the UK the other night, in that case the miners lost and within a decade the industry had mostly been closed and dismantled. I think this happened with a lot of the industries that had been the political and economic base of the older forms of socialism in Europe at the time, and for some reason they weren’t able to resist it.

    Afterwards the left accepted a lot of economic liberalism and started shifting to identity politics. Now the idea of socialism is becoming more popular again, especially among younger people. I feel like that strong rejection of the idea of socialism is more American, in Europe it might break down along old class lines, but a lot more people have retained some socialist ideas or aspirations.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Coconuts


    ...by the late 30s among European countries only the USSR had higher levels of state ownership of industry than Italy.
     
    Interesting. In the 1950's to 80's many other Euro countries were de facto socialist: Sweden, Austria...they called it a mixed model but the state was preeminent.

    One can argue that in the West the business owns the state - I am not sure what is better, but the idea that the state and business can be kept separate is naive and it has never worked like that: one or the other ends up in control. Today it is the business.

    There was a saying that "socialism can't exist in one country, it won't work" - the socialist state guarantees will be dismantled by people gaming it. The extreme case were the young educated East Germans going to work in the West, but the pensioners, sick, old, families with many kids stayed in socialism. It couldn't work in the long run.

    In the last few decades of the globalist-liberalism we learned that "capitalism also can't exist in one country" - open borders gradually destroy it. That's where we are today. Looking back at post-WW1 world and how it tried to solve it is not a bad idea.

    Replies: @AP

  881. @LatW
    @AP

    Btw, here is an interesting interview (if you have time to listen), making rather convincing arguments for Ukraine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlD3HUTQAag&t=3919s

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    Thank you. I’ll try to get to it, but generally strongly prefer transcripts to videos.

  882. The Houthis apparently pinched a Remus 600 robot submarine a few days ago, presumably property of the US Navy. There’s video of frogmen with a long yellow thing shouting and generally getting het up.

    Hadn’t realised that Remus 600s were allegedly involved in several attacks on Crimea. I assume that by now the Remus will be in the hands of Russian engineers. Wonder what the Houthis will get in return?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Remus 6000 sounds like a sex toy.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    The Houthis apparently pinched a Remus 600 robot submarine a few days ago, presumably property of the US Navy.
    ...
    I assume that by now the Remus will be in the hands of Russian engineers. Wonder what the Houthis will get in return?
     
    It is fundamentally civilian technology (1). Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute has sold many of them. The military variant will no doubt have differences, but nothing particularly critical from a secrecy point of view.

    Why Russia? Perhaps Tehran would buy it. Iran is so far behind, it might be cutting edge tech for them.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.whoi.edu/what-we-do/explore/underwater-vehicles/auvs/remus/
  883. @YetAnotherAnon
    The Houthis apparently pinched a Remus 600 robot submarine a few days ago, presumably property of the US Navy. There's video of frogmen with a long yellow thing shouting and generally getting het up.

    Hadn't realised that Remus 600s were allegedly involved in several attacks on Crimea. I assume that by now the Remus will be in the hands of Russian engineers. Wonder what the Houthis will get in return?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    Remus 6000 sounds like a sex toy.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/kosher-sex-store-in-tel-aviv-run-by-rabbis-daughter-sells-spice-for-marriages/

    (Rabbi Shmuley who wants to finally solve Palestinians)

  884. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Makes one wonder if he didn’t actually kill himself but rather if his “suicide” was instead staged by Putin and his thugs and goons.

    I think he killed himself based on the telegram post. Especially because of this final comment:

    In the samurai code "Bushido", which was written down on paper at the moment when the samurai began to forget it, it is written, among other things:

    "Often revenge is simply to break into the enemy's house and die.

    That is a writer's dark humorous take on his situation that could not be faked by a hitman and certainly not one in Russia. Allies of Putin that cross a line normally fall out of windows or have drowning accidents.

    It's possible that he was expecting to be killed and chose suicide. But my guess is that he was already depressed over the war not going as planned and had guilt over cheering what he knew was the unjust side in a bloody disaster.

    But why have them kill one of their own? Simply for making the Russian military look bad by reporting huge losses in Avdiivka?

    He might have been warned. Putin's propagandist Vladimir Solovyov went on a big rant about how pro-Russian bloggers should be killed if they publish "damaging" (truthful) reports from the front. Solovyov never claimed that any of the reports were false. He just didn't want it to be public.

    Russian totalitarians hate the internet and want to try and cover up as much as they can. Hard to deny information when your own pro-Russian blootlicker brigade is reporting it. Russia has also tried numerous times to claim a sunk ship or fire was an accident. Russian bloggers on the inside make that harder even if they support the dictatorship.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

    In Russian ww2 historiography it’s pretty obvious that Russian historians and press multiplied the casualties they suffered. Just too look more self sacrificial.

  885. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    He influences practically nothing. Smug system friendly is a good descriptor.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “Smug system descriptor” (?) or just extremely talented? I can see why, however, he wouldn’t be popular among the kremlin stooge crowd.

    Awards:
    1994: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning
    1995: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    1996: Mencken Award for Editorial Cartooning, presented by Free Press Association[19]
    1997: UCI Medal, University of California, Irvine
    1997: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2004: Lincoln Fellow, Claremont Institute
    2005: Scripps Howard Foundation, National Journalism Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2006: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2007: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning[1]
    2008: Fischetti Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2011: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning[20]
    2013: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2014: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2015: National Cartoonist Society The Reuben Award
    2018: Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site Advancing American Democracy Award
    Honorary Member of Pi Sigma Alpha, National Political Honor Society

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    The cartoon itself is bilge. Carlson and Putin’s interview was pretty interesting. The cartoon bubbles could have easily been this instead…

    “I’m not in the CIA, honestly.” Carlson

    “I’m glad they didn’t hire you, I’m no longer in the KGB.” Putin

    It would have sufficed. Here’s another smug system friendly yid take on Carlson’s interview.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM2h3KnWAWY


    So irrelevant Jon Leibovitz did an unhinged 15 minutes hit piece on him. Ramirez is a dull boring miss hit.

  886. @LatW
    @AP

    Btw, here is an interesting interview (if you have time to listen), making rather convincing arguments for Ukraine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlD3HUTQAag&t=3919s

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    Joseph Lindsley is a frequent contributor to the veryt interesting Rock Rachon show. He’s always worth a listen. I believe that Rock recently has moved his show to another platform. Lindsley is once again offering his knowledgeable opinions in this recent segment:

  887. @YetAnotherAnon
    The Houthis apparently pinched a Remus 600 robot submarine a few days ago, presumably property of the US Navy. There's video of frogmen with a long yellow thing shouting and generally getting het up.

    Hadn't realised that Remus 600s were allegedly involved in several attacks on Crimea. I assume that by now the Remus will be in the hands of Russian engineers. Wonder what the Houthis will get in return?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    The Houthis apparently pinched a Remus 600 robot submarine a few days ago, presumably property of the US Navy.

    I assume that by now the Remus will be in the hands of Russian engineers. Wonder what the Houthis will get in return?

    It is fundamentally civilian technology (1). Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute has sold many of them. The military variant will no doubt have differences, but nothing particularly critical from a secrecy point of view.

    Why Russia? Perhaps Tehran would buy it. Iran is so far behind, it might be cutting edge tech for them.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.whoi.edu/what-we-do/explore/underwater-vehicles/auvs/remus/

  888. @Wokechoke
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Remus 6000 sounds like a sex toy.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  889. @AP
    @Mikel


    Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.

    After reading Barbarossa’s comment, yesterday I finally mustered the will to watch most of Tucker’s interview and it is very clear that you are committing fraud here.
     

    First of all, you are presenting a dishonest definition of Fraud, which is: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"

    You are using the word "fraud" incorrectly and inappropriately to try to say that my statement was dishonest or incorrect. Your claim is wrong.

    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn't take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples. He did this more than once during the interview. Therefore your claim that I committed "fraud" by saying that Tucker brought up NATO, but Putin didn't take the bait and discussed the union of two peoples is false.

    Example 1:


    (01:19)
    Mr. President, thank you. On February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started, and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

    Vladimir Putin (01:54):

    It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike in Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

    Tucker Carlson (02:06):

    Here’s the quote. Thank you. It’s a formidable, serious-

    Vladimir Putin (02:14):

    Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

    Tucker Carlson (02:18):

    Yes.

    Vladimir Putin (02:21):

    So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background. [this did not last 30 seconds LOL - AP]

     

    Example 2:

    Tucker Carlson (22:33):

    Well, that is, and there’s a lot of that though. I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well as you obviously know, but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned. But the fact is that you didn’t make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

    Vladimir Putin (23:15):

    I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so bear with me please. We’re coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established.

    ::::::::::::

    So more than once, Putin didn't take the bait and instead discussed history.

    Just like I said.


    Putin did spend an inordinate amount of time explaining why Ukraine is so important historically for Russia but eventually he used all those explanations to justify why he wouldn’t accept NATO bases there. From you own link:

     


    [Putin:] Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former union’s republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO’s expansion, and moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us.
     
    That's not blaming NATO for the invasion. That's complaining that Russia didn't agree to NATO expansion. This statement does not support your claim.

    He did mention, after 47 minutes, "All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO’s doors. How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side this would’ve been a culpable negligence. That’s what it would’ve been. It’s just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross" that he was "pushed to the line." Implied, perhaps.


    The verdict here is tremendously clear. Putin did use NATO’s expansion as an argument to start his war in this interview and he did it repeatedly
     
    Repeatedly? He implied it once (a line we could not cross) but directly stated it once, and as one of several factors.

    You are committing "fraud" here.

    He focused on history and brushed aside Tucker's attempts to blame NATO until the end. It took one hour and thirty-six minutes and another Tucker prompt until Putin finally explicitly said that NATO was one of the factors.

    What is clear from this interview, is that NATO wasn't the most important thing - history and the idea of union was.

    After 1.5 hours Tucker again tries to get Putin to directly blame NATO expansion for the invasion:

    Tucker Carlson (01:34:33):

    I just have to ask, you’ve said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990. It’s a threat to your country. Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the president of Ukraine to join NATO. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?

    Vladimir Putin (01:35:03):

    I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d’etat through peaceful means but no one listened to us. And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete US control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements. They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory.

    (01:35:40)
    And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. They essentially began to create bases there. That’s all. Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality

    Vladimir Putin (01:36:00):

    While passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine, Ukraine having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. Is that normal? All this put together led to the decision to end the war that Neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.
    :::::::::::::::


    By stating the contrary, you are actually more guilty of fraud than Trump.
     
    Either you don't know what the word fraud means or are you using the word wrongly on purpose.

    Trump lied about the size of his property in order to get a bigger loan from a bank. That is fraud.
    Apparently he did this multiple time. You admitted that you are fine with such corruption. It is sad that this country allows in people with such a casual attitude towards fraud and corruption.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Mikel

    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn’t take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples.

    But you are forgetting that I watched almost the full interview, including the parts after that. Didn’t I explain that clearly enough?

    It was obvious that he kept going back to historical matters, both from ancient and from recent times, as a prelude to explaining why expanding NATO to Ukraine was the last straw that he wouldn’t accept. He said so explicitly, as I’ve shown. This is by the way not a position I agree with if the consequence is unleashing a major war, but what he said is what he said. I have proven it by using your own link.

    You may be able to commit argumentative fraud for political gain by stating that Putin didn’t say what he did say and get away with it with people who didn’t watch the interview but that is impossible with me because I did watch it almost to the end (by that point the main issues had been discussed and I just went to bed). Don’t waste your time so pointlessly.

    You are using the word “fraud” incorrectly and inappropriately to try to say that my statement was dishonest or incorrect.

    I knew you would protest and be inconsistent with your own claims of how justice should work when it’s you (not Nikki Haley’s opponent) who must bear the consequences but the defendant doesn’t get to choose how justice is applied. The verdict is in and now you have 30 days to hand over possession of your properties. If you do that, you may get the chance of appealing to a different court. Even though you’re only going to find judges of a similar ideology as Gerard in that jurisdiction, like Mikhail and AnonfromTN, they may be more lenient and allow you to downsize to a smaller family home.

    Take it up with them. I have just limited myself to proving what your interpretation of the interview was totally misleading and to passing an impartial sentence in the sole interest of combating argumentative corruption in these threads.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn’t take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples.

    But you are forgetting that I watched almost the full interview, including the parts after that. Didn’t I explain that clearly enough?
     
    Yes, and I posted about the parts after that before your post. And you read that, as proven by your reference to "my own link" - a link I provided in the same post where I stated that only after an hour and a half did Putin mention NATO as a reason for the attack.

    So you have been caught misrepresenting what I wrote.

    It was obvious that he kept going back to historical matters, both from ancient and from recent times, as a prelude to explaining why expanding NATO to Ukraine was the last straw that he wouldn’t accept
     
    It was obvious that he was much more concerned about history and the supposed unity of Ukrainians and Russians more than he was about NATO, which was secondary and mentioned briefly in the end, after his much more detailed and important (to him) historical discussion.

    That was not a mere prelude, that was the meat of the argument. As proven by its length relative to the NATO discussion and repeatedly brushing off Tucker's attempts to insert NATO into the discussion.

    But you have admitted that you don't mind fraud, and you have a pattern of misrepresenting things when arguments don't go your way. So your claim about what Putin said should be taken with a grain of salt.

    You may be able to commit argumentative fraud for political gain
     
    There is no "political gain" here and fraud does not even involve "political gain" as I have already demonstrated. Let me remind you what fraud is:

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fraud

    the crime of getting money by deceiving people

    For example, Trump was convicted of fraud for lying about the size of his property in order to obtain a loan he otherwise would not have been entitled to.

    You admitted that you don't consider this type of fraud to be a big deal and implied that you yourself engage in (when you said almost everyone does - a typical maneuver by guilty people) when applying for loans. Your excuse is that it's the bank's job to check on it. Typically corrupt, criminal reasoning.

    It's funny when you complain of immigration and the border (I share these concerns) when, given your tolerance for fraud and implied willingness to engage in it - you are the sort of unsavory person who should not have been allowed in.

    I knew you would protest and be inconsistent
     
    Now you falsely accuse me of inconsistency after having falsely accused me of fraud.

    What does that make you? You don't like that word :-)

    But we've already established that you resort to that when you've lost an argument.

    I am consistently opposed to fraud, and consistent in supporting the principle that the more important a person is, the more scrutiny they deserve.

    You think that fraud is acceptable, and normal. You falsely state that things that are not fraud, are fraud.

    Replies: @Mikel

  890. @AP
    @Beckow


    No, I won’t – I told you before I have no dog in this fight, I only observe. If Russia loses Crimea-Donbas and Kiev is in NATO it would clearly be a big loss for Russia. If Russia keeps them and NATO is out it would be a small win – maybe not even worth the war.
     
    What if Russia keeps Crimea and Donbas and Ukraine gets into NATO?

    What if Ukraine gets into NATO with the current lines (plus/minus a few more towns, maybe even Kramatorsk)?

    If Russia keeps the Azov sea coast and demilitarizes Ukraine it would a medium win (roughly today’s situation).
     
    Ukraine is not demilitarized today.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …What if Russia keeps Crimea and Donbas and Ukraine gets into NATO?

    What if Ukraine gets into NATO with the current lines

    Basically a draw: Nato in Ukraine is a loss for Russia but loss of Crimea-Azov is a loss for Ukraine. Donbas less so, it is only a battleground. Any outcome with Ukraine in Nato is a loss for Russia – compensated with territory, but unstable. It would lead to another war.

    The draw is unlikely, both sides made it existential. The latest shift in the West is: we will accept a gradual defeat, but make it very costly – maybe a miracle…

    My point is that all Nato plans work for Nato at the expense of Ukraine. The idea that the Ukies have signed up for it and are enthusiastically dying for the shifting and unreachable goals is racist: Ukies are used as pions in a game, discarded and patronized. Think about that if you care about ordinary Ukrainians – as you claim you do.

    Life is a question of alternatives: living in a neutral imperfect Ukraine is better than dying for a ‘membership in Nato‘, whatever that means…

    Ukraine is getting demilitarized – its resources are slowly being exhausted: too many people left, the economy is down by 1/3, many died (Kiev PM’s words – not mine).

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Basically a draw: Nato in Ukraine is a loss for Russia but loss of Crimea-Azov is a loss for Ukraine. Donbas less so, it is only a battleground. Any outcome with Ukraine in Nato is a loss for Russia – compensated with territory, but unstable. It would lead to another war
     
    Nonsense. There has never been a war between Russia and a NATO state. NATO membership would result in any potential Ukrainian revisionists being held back by cautious Germans and French. And it would frighten Russia into not trying another attack. It would be the outcome most likely to produce a lasting peace. The strength of Russian opposition to Ukrainian NATO membership will be a good way of measuring the strength of Russian desire to try to invade Ukraine in the future. If Russia doesn't care about NATO membership, we will know that it has no plans to invade again. This would probably be more likely if Russia keeps Crimea.

    The draw is unlikely, both sides made it existential.
     
    Both sides may get sick enough of the slaughter. Ukrainians might be willing to give up territory with non-Ukrainian majorities, Russians may be willing to let the rest of Ukraine go.

    Ukies are used as pions in a game, discarded and patronized
     
    In the same way that Soviets and Brits were used by the Americans during World War II. This does not mean that either should have stopped resisting the Germans, or should have denied the help they were given by the Americans. Can you imagine Stalin or Churchill deciding - "I am being a pawn of the Americans, bleeding the Soviet (or British) people to weaken the Germans. I will not accept any more planes, trucks, railroads, etc. I will ask to give up territory for peace"

    Some pro-Russians in the West actually think Ukrainians should take such an approach towards the Russian invaders.

    Russia committed a massive blunder by invading Ukraine. America takes full advantage of this blunder.


    Life is a question of alternatives: living in a neutral imperfect Ukraine is better than dying for a ‘membership in Nato‘
     
    For most Ukrainians, leaving Russia behind and joining their western brothers in a common European space is worth fighting for. The brutality and evil unleashed upon them as a consequence of their decision confirms to them that they were correct in wanting to escape.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  891. @Mikhail
    Don't recall it being behind closed doors.

    Lira's "crime" was saying things the Kiev regime didn't like. Some free open society of a democracy.

    Putin has dealt with a hostile media in a way that Biden and numerous Western leader haven't.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Don’t recall it being behind closed doors.

    Ok I will use Google for you:

    The trial of Navalny, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s fiercest domestic critic, unfolded behind closed doors and highly unusual circumstances.

    In Friday’s ruling, the court found Navalny had retroactively financed and incited “extremist activities” through his now-defunct Anti-Corruption Foundation. Judges also found the opposition leader guilty of “rehabilitating Nazi ideology.”

    https://www.npr.org/2023/08/04/1191809199/navalny-prison-sentence-russia-putin-kremlin

    Lira’s “crime” was saying things the Kiev regime didn’t like. Some free open society of a democracy.

    Why didn’t Lira contact the US embassy if he needed medical assistance while in prison? How do we know his chain smoking habit didn’t kill him?

    What exactly was so damning that Lira had to say? Why didn’t he leave an article summarizing his positions?

    Putin has dealt with a hostile media in a way that Biden and numerous Western leader haven’t.

    So you think Biden should lock journalists away for 5 years for criticizing the government? Should Ron Unz get 5 years for criticizing the US government over Gaza?

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Like Julian Assange getting locked up and American journos banned from writing for a certain venue (Strategic Culture Foundation).

    Lira's father petitioned for the State Dept top act on his son's behalf. Biden bragged about how he earlier got the Kiev regime to fire the prosecutor. No such activism for Lira. Purely political.

    Navalny flaunted the law as evidenced by the Yves Rocher matter and his blatantly violating the permit requirement for holding demos. His jackass manner in court didn't help him as well.

    His case got plenty of coverage which included his smug jackass manner towards the prosecution and judge. Technically, this was behind "closed doors", seeing that the doors of the court weren't open.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  892. @Coconuts
    @Beckow


    The rich Italians funded fascism to suppress socialism.
     
    It was interesting that part of the Italian far-left was prepared to ally with them (Mussolini came from this sort of syndicalist background), because revisionist forms of Marxism became pretty popular in the Italian labour movement and WW1 seemed to prove the greater power of the national idea, compared to proletarian revolution. There was awareness that the Italian proletariat was too small to carry out a revolution against the middle class and the old economic elite.

    Fascism was an attempt by the more nationally oriented rich people and people they sponsored (like Mussolini) to provide social benefits and stability for lower classes without losing the ownership of most assets.
     
    In Italy they also had the problem of a weak industrial base, and the belief that it couldn't develop without state intervention (probably true). Fascism was one way of mobilising the power of the state to build up industry, it produced that weird thing that by the late 30s among European countries only the USSR had higher levels of state ownership of industry than Italy.


    More importantly the fear of actual “socialism” Is gone.
     
    I was watching a documentary about the big 1984 miners' strike in the UK the other night, in that case the miners lost and within a decade the industry had mostly been closed and dismantled. I think this happened with a lot of the industries that had been the political and economic base of the older forms of socialism in Europe at the time, and for some reason they weren't able to resist it.

    Afterwards the left accepted a lot of economic liberalism and started shifting to identity politics. Now the idea of socialism is becoming more popular again, especially among younger people. I feel like that strong rejection of the idea of socialism is more American, in Europe it might break down along old class lines, but a lot more people have retained some socialist ideas or aspirations.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …by the late 30s among European countries only the USSR had higher levels of state ownership of industry than Italy.

    Interesting. In the 1950’s to 80’s many other Euro countries were de facto socialist: Sweden, Austria…they called it a mixed model but the state was preeminent.

    One can argue that in the West the business owns the state – I am not sure what is better, but the idea that the state and business can be kept separate is naive and it has never worked like that: one or the other ends up in control. Today it is the business.

    There was a saying that “socialism can’t exist in one country, it won’t work” – the socialist state guarantees will be dismantled by people gaming it. The extreme case were the young educated East Germans going to work in the West, but the pensioners, sick, old, families with many kids stayed in socialism. It couldn’t work in the long run.

    In the last few decades of the globalist-liberalism we learned that “capitalism also can’t exist in one country” – open borders gradually destroy it. That’s where we are today. Looking back at post-WW1 world and how it tried to solve it is not a bad idea.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Interesting. In the 1950’s to 80’s many other Euro countries were de facto socialist: Sweden, Austria…they called it a mixed model but the state was preeminent.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_government_spending_as_percentage_of_GDP#Historical_Development

    Government revenue as percentage of GDP was under 50% in Austria until 1980. It had been in the 30s in the 1960s and 1970s. In Sweden it did not exceed 50%until the year 2000.

    However socialism is when the major industries are owned by the workers (typically, through the state). When the factories and businesses are state enterprises rather than privately-owned.
    Here are the largest Swedish companies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Swedish_companies

    Here are the nes owned by the government:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_enterprises_of_Sweden

    None of the largest ones are government-owned.

    Sweden is a fully capitalist country, it just has high taxes (for the private companies and individuals) which the government spends. It's not a bad model, as long as the spending is under control because the population works and doesn't require to be taken of. Mass immigration and smaller-than-necessary family sizes broke it.

    You are trying to mix things up by equating the failed socialism of the Communist Bloc with the successful social democratic capitalism of western Europe.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  893. @Mikel
    @AP


    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn’t take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples.
     
    But you are forgetting that I watched almost the full interview, including the parts after that. Didn't I explain that clearly enough?

    It was obvious that he kept going back to historical matters, both from ancient and from recent times, as a prelude to explaining why expanding NATO to Ukraine was the last straw that he wouldn't accept. He said so explicitly, as I've shown. This is by the way not a position I agree with if the consequence is unleashing a major war, but what he said is what he said. I have proven it by using your own link.

    You may be able to commit argumentative fraud for political gain by stating that Putin didn't say what he did say and get away with it with people who didn't watch the interview but that is impossible with me because I did watch it almost to the end (by that point the main issues had been discussed and I just went to bed). Don't waste your time so pointlessly.

    You are using the word “fraud” incorrectly and inappropriately to try to say that my statement was dishonest or incorrect.
     
    I knew you would protest and be inconsistent with your own claims of how justice should work when it's you (not Nikki Haley's opponent) who must bear the consequences but the defendant doesn't get to choose how justice is applied. The verdict is in and now you have 30 days to hand over possession of your properties. If you do that, you may get the chance of appealing to a different court. Even though you're only going to find judges of a similar ideology as Gerard in that jurisdiction, like Mikhail and AnonfromTN, they may be more lenient and allow you to downsize to a smaller family home.

    Take it up with them. I have just limited myself to proving what your interpretation of the interview was totally misleading and to passing an impartial sentence in the sole interest of combating argumentative corruption in these threads.

    Replies: @AP

    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn’t take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples.

    But you are forgetting that I watched almost the full interview, including the parts after that. Didn’t I explain that clearly enough?

    Yes, and I posted about the parts after that before your post. And you read that, as proven by your reference to “my own link” – a link I provided in the same post where I stated that only after an hour and a half did Putin mention NATO as a reason for the attack.

    So you have been caught misrepresenting what I wrote.

    It was obvious that he kept going back to historical matters, both from ancient and from recent times, as a prelude to explaining why expanding NATO to Ukraine was the last straw that he wouldn’t accept

    It was obvious that he was much more concerned about history and the supposed unity of Ukrainians and Russians more than he was about NATO, which was secondary and mentioned briefly in the end, after his much more detailed and important (to him) historical discussion.

    That was not a mere prelude, that was the meat of the argument. As proven by its length relative to the NATO discussion and repeatedly brushing off Tucker’s attempts to insert NATO into the discussion.

    But you have admitted that you don’t mind fraud, and you have a pattern of misrepresenting things when arguments don’t go your way. So your claim about what Putin said should be taken with a grain of salt.

    You may be able to commit argumentative fraud for political gain

    There is no “political gain” here and fraud does not even involve “political gain” as I have already demonstrated. Let me remind you what fraud is:

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fraud

    the crime of getting money by deceiving people

    For example, Trump was convicted of fraud for lying about the size of his property in order to obtain a loan he otherwise would not have been entitled to.

    You admitted that you don’t consider this type of fraud to be a big deal and implied that you yourself engage in (when you said almost everyone does – a typical maneuver by guilty people) when applying for loans. Your excuse is that it’s the bank’s job to check on it. Typically corrupt, criminal reasoning.

    It’s funny when you complain of immigration and the border (I share these concerns) when, given your tolerance for fraud and implied willingness to engage in it – you are the sort of unsavory person who should not have been allowed in.

    I knew you would protest and be inconsistent

    Now you falsely accuse me of inconsistency after having falsely accused me of fraud.

    What does that make you? You don’t like that word 🙂

    But we’ve already established that you resort to that when you’ve lost an argument.

    I am consistently opposed to fraud, and consistent in supporting the principle that the more important a person is, the more scrutiny they deserve.

    You think that fraud is acceptable, and normal. You falsely state that things that are not fraud, are fraud.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP

    You are taking the verdict against you with much less dignity than Trump. He has just been fined with roughly half a billion dollars (including interests and the previous sham trial), which is more than the national budget of many countries, but yesterday I heard him make a rather sober assessment of how the US justice system is degrading.

    You have been caught red handed misrepresenting what Putin said. At no point did he say to Tucker that he invaded Ukraine for conquest reasons. On the contrary, he acknowledged that Russia had accepted the breakup of the USSR under the borders of the former republics and that he had been willing to implement the Minsk agreements, hard though it was to convince the people of Donbas. Anyone who heard the whole interview or just read the passages I quoted has been shown that, contrary to your statements, he found NATO's expansion to Ukraine a pivotal reason for his invasion.

    I'm sorry but it's too late for you to insist on defending your deceitful interpretation of the interview. The verdict is out and you better start paying your fine if you don't want interests to accumulate. As you know, Gerard is just eager for you to miss the deadline and give him the chance to invade your family home, as Letitia James warned he would do with Trump Tower if he doesn't pay. It's just the way the justice system that you support works.


    when you complain of immigration and the border (I share these concerns)
     
    No, you don't share my same concerns. Stop obfuscating. For starters, you confessed that you were OK with 1-2 million additional undocumented entries per year as long as Ukraine gets its funding. Secondly, you haven't lived many years among Latin Americans, as I have. I don't wish ill upon anyone but there are very good reasons why I think that letting millions of them in the US every year is a very bad idea. My concern is based on a personal experience that you do not share with me at all.

    At the same time, I'm not revealing anything new by stating the obvious fact that some American citizens care much more about their old country than about the US. If you are a not a living, breathing example of this, nobody is. And the fact that you are supporting undisguised judicial reprisals against political opponents in the US, like they do in Ukraine all the time, makes the matter even worse in your case.

    Replies: @AP

  894. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...What if Russia keeps Crimea and Donbas and Ukraine gets into NATO?

    What if Ukraine gets into NATO with the current lines
     

    Basically a draw: Nato in Ukraine is a loss for Russia but loss of Crimea-Azov is a loss for Ukraine. Donbas less so, it is only a battleground. Any outcome with Ukraine in Nato is a loss for Russia - compensated with territory, but unstable. It would lead to another war.

    The draw is unlikely, both sides made it existential. The latest shift in the West is: we will accept a gradual defeat, but make it very costly - maybe a miracle...

    My point is that all Nato plans work for Nato at the expense of Ukraine. The idea that the Ukies have signed up for it and are enthusiastically dying for the shifting and unreachable goals is racist: Ukies are used as pions in a game, discarded and patronized. Think about that if you care about ordinary Ukrainians - as you claim you do.

    Life is a question of alternatives: living in a neutral imperfect Ukraine is better than dying for a 'membership in Nato', whatever that means...

    Ukraine is getting demilitarized - its resources are slowly being exhausted: too many people left, the economy is down by 1/3, many died (Kiev PM's words - not mine).

    Replies: @AP

    Basically a draw: Nato in Ukraine is a loss for Russia but loss of Crimea-Azov is a loss for Ukraine. Donbas less so, it is only a battleground. Any outcome with Ukraine in Nato is a loss for Russia – compensated with territory, but unstable. It would lead to another war

    Nonsense. There has never been a war between Russia and a NATO state. NATO membership would result in any potential Ukrainian revisionists being held back by cautious Germans and French. And it would frighten Russia into not trying another attack. It would be the outcome most likely to produce a lasting peace. The strength of Russian opposition to Ukrainian NATO membership will be a good way of measuring the strength of Russian desire to try to invade Ukraine in the future. If Russia doesn’t care about NATO membership, we will know that it has no plans to invade again. This would probably be more likely if Russia keeps Crimea.

    The draw is unlikely, both sides made it existential.

    Both sides may get sick enough of the slaughter. Ukrainians might be willing to give up territory with non-Ukrainian majorities, Russians may be willing to let the rest of Ukraine go.

    Ukies are used as pions in a game, discarded and patronized

    In the same way that Soviets and Brits were used by the Americans during World War II. This does not mean that either should have stopped resisting the Germans, or should have denied the help they were given by the Americans. Can you imagine Stalin or Churchill deciding – “I am being a pawn of the Americans, bleeding the Soviet (or British) people to weaken the Germans. I will not accept any more planes, trucks, railroads, etc. I will ask to give up territory for peace”

    Some pro-Russians in the West actually think Ukrainians should take such an approach towards the Russian invaders.

    Russia committed a massive blunder by invading Ukraine. America takes full advantage of this blunder.

    Life is a question of alternatives: living in a neutral imperfect Ukraine is better than dying for a ‘membership in Nato‘

    For most Ukrainians, leaving Russia behind and joining their western brothers in a common European space is worth fighting for. The brutality and evil unleashed upon them as a consequence of their decision confirms to them that they were correct in wanting to escape.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Some pro-Russians in the West actually think Ukrainians should take such an approach towards the Russian invaders.

    Russia committed a massive blunder by invading Ukraine. America takes full advantage of this blunder.
     
    Some Westerners, such as Philippe Lemoine, a right-wing Frenchman, think that the West would have been better off letting Russia have Ukraine and then sponsoring an anti-Russian insurgency there so that Russia would have eventually left Ukraine voluntarily. (But what if Russia would have never left Ukraine, or at least not in our own lifetimes, barring a successful cure to aging?) He thinks that having the West preserve cooperation with Russia on things like nuclear non-proliferation (Iran, North Korea) and arms control (again, Iran, North Korea, et cetera) is an acceptable price worth paying for having the West throw Ukraine under the bus. The possibility that Ukrainians could come to hate the West as much as Russians currently do if the West would have followed his advice does not seem to be lost to him. He also believes that Russia's December 2021 ultimatum demands were reasonable even though he says that he knows that Russia knew that the West would never accept these demands.

    Replies: @AP

  895. @Beckow
    @Coconuts


    ...by the late 30s among European countries only the USSR had higher levels of state ownership of industry than Italy.
     
    Interesting. In the 1950's to 80's many other Euro countries were de facto socialist: Sweden, Austria...they called it a mixed model but the state was preeminent.

    One can argue that in the West the business owns the state - I am not sure what is better, but the idea that the state and business can be kept separate is naive and it has never worked like that: one or the other ends up in control. Today it is the business.

    There was a saying that "socialism can't exist in one country, it won't work" - the socialist state guarantees will be dismantled by people gaming it. The extreme case were the young educated East Germans going to work in the West, but the pensioners, sick, old, families with many kids stayed in socialism. It couldn't work in the long run.

    In the last few decades of the globalist-liberalism we learned that "capitalism also can't exist in one country" - open borders gradually destroy it. That's where we are today. Looking back at post-WW1 world and how it tried to solve it is not a bad idea.

    Replies: @AP

    Interesting. In the 1950’s to 80’s many other Euro countries were de facto socialist: Sweden, Austria…they called it a mixed model but the state was preeminent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_government_spending_as_percentage_of_GDP#Historical_Development

    Government revenue as percentage of GDP was under 50% in Austria until 1980. It had been in the 30s in the 1960s and 1970s. In Sweden it did not exceed 50%until the year 2000.

    However socialism is when the major industries are owned by the workers (typically, through the state). When the factories and businesses are state enterprises rather than privately-owned.
    Here are the largest Swedish companies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Swedish_companies

    Here are the nes owned by the government:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_enterprises_of_Sweden

    None of the largest ones are government-owned.

    Sweden is a fully capitalist country, it just has high taxes (for the private companies and individuals) which the government spends. It’s not a bad model, as long as the spending is under control because the population works and doesn’t require to be taken of. Mass immigration and smaller-than-necessary family sizes broke it.

    You are trying to mix things up by equating the failed socialism of the Communist Bloc with the successful social democratic capitalism of western Europe.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    However socialism is when the major industries are owned by the workers (typically, through the state). When the factories and businesses are state enterprises rather than privately-owned.
     
    Question: Would it be socialism if the workers own shares in various companies (for instance, in these companies' stocks) that control the means of production, up to the point of all workers as a whole owning a majority of the shares in these companies? Or would that not be socialism because it doesn't involve government control?

    Apparently this model actually exists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_stock_ownership

    One would think that such a model would be more attractive relative to the socialism in Communist countries in real life because, in addition to the more democratic and less brutal factor of it, the control of the means of production in such a model would genuinely remain with the workers, especially if workers could only sell their company stocks to other workers rather than to "capitalist exploiters" (using socialist lingo).

    Replies: @AP

  896. @AP
    @Mikel


    I posted examples of how Tucker brought up NATO, and Putin didn’t take the bait but instead chose to discuss history and the union of the two peoples.

    But you are forgetting that I watched almost the full interview, including the parts after that. Didn’t I explain that clearly enough?
     
    Yes, and I posted about the parts after that before your post. And you read that, as proven by your reference to "my own link" - a link I provided in the same post where I stated that only after an hour and a half did Putin mention NATO as a reason for the attack.

    So you have been caught misrepresenting what I wrote.

    It was obvious that he kept going back to historical matters, both from ancient and from recent times, as a prelude to explaining why expanding NATO to Ukraine was the last straw that he wouldn’t accept
     
    It was obvious that he was much more concerned about history and the supposed unity of Ukrainians and Russians more than he was about NATO, which was secondary and mentioned briefly in the end, after his much more detailed and important (to him) historical discussion.

    That was not a mere prelude, that was the meat of the argument. As proven by its length relative to the NATO discussion and repeatedly brushing off Tucker's attempts to insert NATO into the discussion.

    But you have admitted that you don't mind fraud, and you have a pattern of misrepresenting things when arguments don't go your way. So your claim about what Putin said should be taken with a grain of salt.

    You may be able to commit argumentative fraud for political gain
     
    There is no "political gain" here and fraud does not even involve "political gain" as I have already demonstrated. Let me remind you what fraud is:

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fraud

    the crime of getting money by deceiving people

    For example, Trump was convicted of fraud for lying about the size of his property in order to obtain a loan he otherwise would not have been entitled to.

    You admitted that you don't consider this type of fraud to be a big deal and implied that you yourself engage in (when you said almost everyone does - a typical maneuver by guilty people) when applying for loans. Your excuse is that it's the bank's job to check on it. Typically corrupt, criminal reasoning.

    It's funny when you complain of immigration and the border (I share these concerns) when, given your tolerance for fraud and implied willingness to engage in it - you are the sort of unsavory person who should not have been allowed in.

    I knew you would protest and be inconsistent
     
    Now you falsely accuse me of inconsistency after having falsely accused me of fraud.

    What does that make you? You don't like that word :-)

    But we've already established that you resort to that when you've lost an argument.

    I am consistently opposed to fraud, and consistent in supporting the principle that the more important a person is, the more scrutiny they deserve.

    You think that fraud is acceptable, and normal. You falsely state that things that are not fraud, are fraud.

    Replies: @Mikel

    You are taking the verdict against you with much less dignity than Trump. He has just been fined with roughly half a billion dollars (including interests and the previous sham trial), which is more than the national budget of many countries, but yesterday I heard him make a rather sober assessment of how the US justice system is degrading.

    You have been caught red handed misrepresenting what Putin said. At no point did he say to Tucker that he invaded Ukraine for conquest reasons. On the contrary, he acknowledged that Russia had accepted the breakup of the USSR under the borders of the former republics and that he had been willing to implement the Minsk agreements, hard though it was to convince the people of Donbas. Anyone who heard the whole interview or just read the passages I quoted has been shown that, contrary to your statements, he found NATO’s expansion to Ukraine a pivotal reason for his invasion.

    I’m sorry but it’s too late for you to insist on defending your deceitful interpretation of the interview. The verdict is out and you better start paying your fine if you don’t want interests to accumulate. As you know, Gerard is just eager for you to miss the deadline and give him the chance to invade your family home, as Letitia James warned he would do with Trump Tower if he doesn’t pay. It’s just the way the justice system that you support works.

    when you complain of immigration and the border (I share these concerns)

    No, you don’t share my same concerns. Stop obfuscating. For starters, you confessed that you were OK with 1-2 million additional undocumented entries per year as long as Ukraine gets its funding. Secondly, you haven’t lived many years among Latin Americans, as I have. I don’t wish ill upon anyone but there are very good reasons why I think that letting millions of them in the US every year is a very bad idea. My concern is based on a personal experience that you do not share with me at all.

    At the same time, I’m not revealing anything new by stating the obvious fact that some American citizens care much more about their old country than about the US. If you are a not a living, breathing example of this, nobody is. And the fact that you are supporting undisguised judicial reprisals against political opponents in the US, like they do in Ukraine all the time, makes the matter even worse in your case.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    You have been caught red handed misrepresenting what Putin said
     
    False. But go on adding to your falsehoods.

    When I proved that my words were accurate you ignored the proof.

    I wrote: “ Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.”

    I provided two examples of that. You ignored it.

    I also noted that only after 1.5 hours did Putin state that NATO was a reason.

    You were caught red-handed misrepresenting what “fraud” is and misrepresenting what I wrote. You are also misrepresenting Putin’s interview.

    All if this follows your pattern of misrepresentation when you lose an argument.

    For starters, you confessed that you were OK with 1-2 million additional undocumented entries per year as long as Ukraine gets its funding
     
    Another misrepresentation.

    You are really on a roll.

    I pointed out that an additional 1 million was a lesser evil than the 2 million or more that otherwise flood in.

    Secondly, you haven’t lived many years among Latin Americans, as I have. I don’t wish ill upon anyone but there are very good reasons why I think that letting millions of them in the US every year

     

    Clearly they (or your idea of them) rubbed off on you, given your admitted tolerance for fraud and corruption.

    At the same time, I’m not revealing anything new by stating the obvious fact that some American citizens care much more about their old country than about the US

     

    I care about both. You may not care about either one.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  897. @LatW
    @Coconuts


    strangely I was re-reading it yesterday myself
     
    I'm only half way through, I'm re-reading parts of it, because some of it sounds almost like poetry and is very pleasant to dwell on.

    Imperium Press
     
    Of course, this one is great, but I was wondering if Drieu is a bit too poetic and romantic for them? They seem to be carrying really straightforward, hardcore titles. I'm not sure, I might be wrong (personally, I believe he would fit great there, same as with Arktos).

    He has the idea of war and its spiritual and personal significance
     
    I was thinking that because he had that shocking experience himself (where he was almost blown up), that it would cause him to become pacifist. But it seems to have enriched him in a deep way (kind of a dark and light combining). This is probably where a right wing writer differs from others. It is interesting that we think of the war as a collective thing that annihilates individuality, but it is also fascinating what happens with the person in this context, how the person grows and changes.

    and war and its relationship to love and relations between men and women.
     
    Through this strange fascination, I've always thought that war elevates the male, but recently I've realized that it elevates both (or rather emphasizes each in their own way - and also elevates some individuals). Of course, it elevates some males at the expense of others (which is horrific).

    I was listening to an interview with one Ukrainian nationalist who is now very active on the frontlines, he was saying that when the war broke out he had to convince his wife and small children to be taken to safety, they initially objected, but once they saw the actual horror, they realized that their father had been right and that they now listen to this young father more. And he himself has changed from a boy into a real man in just a few years. But of course the brunt on the women as well has been tremendous, ever since 2014 already.


    I remember when I first started spending time in Belarus years ago, I was surprised by seeing certain things, like soldiers carrying weapons mixed with ordinary people on the train, or young cadets marching in uniform.
     
    Belarus is, of course, a somewhat highly militarized society (it is a party to this war, unfortunately). But this was the case also in Latvia, way back, this trend was still felt all the way into late 1990s and early 2000s. It might come back, but in a new form, what I'm seeing thus far, I do not dislike. If you really think about it, it's really just a continuation of what our forefathers also used to do and how they used to be.

    and I suddenly understood why having children would be good, another weird thing
     
    Children are important (and women know this instinctively), but in the context of war this becomes more acute. Traditionally for E.Slavs (and also for Latgalians) this is different than for the typical European who has more luxuries about this. It seems there are two different urges inspired by war - one is the urge to breed, but there is another thing in Lithuanian history - mass suicide - when they saw that they were about to be overrun by the enemy, they killed themselves so as not to become slaves and not to indulge the enemy in spoils, or some Latvian tribes that burned down their own castle and retreated into Lithuania. So there are two instincts at play there - eros and thanatos. In this war... we see the latter more... death is everywhere now. Of course, death always walks step to step with life, but death is very close now.

    At the same time I remember thinking that there might be more risk of a war in the region at some point (this was around 2012-13), assuming Russia and Ukraine had similar cultures.
     
    This was known by quite a few in Ukraine (they felt it), so this stereotype of Ukrainians being caught aghast, maybe some were, but the nationalists knew long before what was going to happen. Same as our nationalist knew since the 1990s.

    Btw, this bothers many people, most people don't like it... understandably, so.


    Recently I was in Amsterdam and visited the Rijksmuseum, last time I visited I was around 17. It is nicely refurbished, but you start the visit in the medieval period and with an exhibition of weapons and ascend through the ages to Van Gogh’s era
     
    That sounds awesome, I'm glad they've refurbished it, must be magnificent. That's a large art museum, I'm sure the medieval period section is amazing. In my 20s I used to visit a lot of smaller specifically war museums, especially in Scandinavia and places such as UK & Belgium. I remember the one in Stockholm - the Swedish Army museum - it was different because they had decided to start the exposition with a display of a group of chimps fighting, with animalistic background sounds. It was unexpected, I walked in expecting to see something noble right away, so it was a bit different but I immediately understood what they were trying to say and why they wanted to put the visitors on pause. But again, they are lefties... sigh. The rest of it was good, however...

    Drieu had this thing about Van Gogh, as one of the heralds of the rebirth of the youthful spirit of the Middle Ages, the last novel he was working on before he died in 1945 was based on Van Gogh’s life.
     
    Interesting. I've been to the Van Gogh exhibition in Amsterdam, long time ago (it is together with Gauguin). Tbh, the spirit of the Middle Ages seems more optimistic than that of Van Gogh, including how it was painted by Drieu. But again, as I read that, and fully sharing in his admiration for the wholesome aspects of that period, I can't help but think of the toll that this took on some of the people.. similarly to the contrast I experience between these fascinating and exalting themes of war and the real war that's taking place right now... I follow a lot of those individuals and it's now visible how they've changed, what they're going through, I feel very conflicted.

    I remember becoming interested in Orthodox theology and Aristotle at the same time as I started lifting weights (this would be in the 2000s).
     
    That's interesting, those two are quite different. To me, Aristotle is much more dear and easier to relate to than Orthodoxy (which seemed very alienating and, frankly, creepy to me before the Ukrainian people came into picture). And I've seen young men who lift weights be really into paganism (but largely the masculine side of it).

    I suspect because they are both more embodied, there isn’t the nature vs. grace opposition that you can find in Western Christianity, which also might be somehow linked to the abstract spirit that is in Kantian ethics.
     
    The Kantian ethics is a whole edifice, a purposefully built complex structure, to place ethics on a formal, idealistic foundation. To prove that ethics are rational, that they have a rational source of legitimacy. It is directly connected and in fact derived from his foundation of formal rationality, from the Critique of Pure Reason. And connected to the Christian God. One can say the origin is in Plato's forms (original European idealism) and it moves as a long continuous line throughout history of thought. And this is the main object of Nietzsche's ire. Largely because of the separation from the body, from life itself, what Nietzsche could've called a separation from "earthliness" or from the authentic nature of the man. And it resonates with European paganism here as well, as a call to return to one's Mother (or one's origins). But I think paganism has both of these - it is both "embodied", spiritual and also contains philosophical, rational (or cosmic) forms.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Through this strange fascination, I’ve always thought that war elevates the male, but recently I’ve realized that it elevates both (or rather emphasizes each in their own way – and also elevates some individuals).

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    I think this is true, there is an interpretation of Notes for Understanding… by a progressive American academic from the 90s where he argues for this idea being present in Drieu’s work, against some of the older stereotypical interpretations of Drieu’s interest in virility and masculine values as being related to repressed homosexuality. He argues he was more interested in ‘heroic’ versions of male and female qualities.

    It seems there are two different urges inspired by war – one is the urge to breed, but there is another thing in Lithuanian history – mass suicide – when they saw that they were about to be overrun by the enemy, they killed themselves so as not to become slaves and not to indulge the enemy in spoils, or some Latvian tribes that burned down their own castle and retreated into Lithuania.

    There must have been a strong culture of honour among the Lithuanians, is it known if these things had some religious significance?

    In my 20s I used to visit a lot of smaller specifically war museums, especially in Scandinavia and places such as UK & Belgium.

    That’s interesting, was there any specific inspiration behind it?

    I know some of the UK ones but not Scandinavia or Belgium. My dad used to go to Belgium a lot to visit the WW1 battlefields, I was mainly interested in the other periods where there were a lot of major battles in Belgium and I had some strange interest in the Belgian forces during the two world wars but I never got as far as visiting any of the Belgian museums. I have visited some of the Baltic ones, the one in Riga was good, there was a lot of information in the displays. I also visited the Lithuanian one in Kaunas.

    The thing about the apes in the Swedish museum is funny. I once heard a strange thing, that apparently ants are the only other creatures that wage war on other ant colonies in the systematic way humans do. This would be harder to put into a museum display because ants are so small, and they are hard to relate to compared to apes.

    But again, as I read that, and fully sharing in his admiration for the wholesome aspects of that period, I can’t help but think of the toll that this took on some of the people.. similarly to the contrast I experience between these fascinating and exalting themes of war and the real war that’s taking place right now… I follow a lot of those individuals and it’s now visible how they’ve changed, what they’re going through, I feel very conflicted.

    I can see that, there aren’t many European people now who have this sort of direct experience of war. My wife knows some of the Ukrainians who are living near us and tells me about some of the things that are going on for them. The main thing I can think of to compare it to is more my grandparents’ generation, but they were also born in a generally harsher time.

    Lately in relation to this I’ve thought about Nietzsche’s comments that war educates for freedom in a powerful way, which I think is true, but it is a very challenging thing. I realise my dad taught me a lot in practical terms about this, which must have been informed by the time he was in the armed forces when he was younger. And he retained a strong interest in military history and suggested a lot of books to read over the years, but at the same time I could see a lot of these books were discussing things outside normal experience for peacetime (especially in Britain of the 1990s).

    Ultimately I guess it would probably also point to one of the difficult aspects of Drieu’s life and work, his recurrent interest in both suicide and war and combat as a path to spiritual transcendence, which he was associating with the impersonal idea of Brahman that you can find in the Upanishads.

    That’s interesting, those two are quite different. To me, Aristotle is much more dear and easier to relate to than Orthodoxy (which seemed very alienating and, frankly, creepy to me before the Ukrainian people came into picture).

    Yes, I had also been interested in the Upanishads and some of the Hindu Gods and Goddesses, I think I was reacting to what were common assumptions about religion I had picked up in my teens and early 20s and was looking for other things. Being in the UK Orthodoxy did not have much presence as an irl religion (for example, my home town had a couple of Sikh temples but no Orthodox presence), I only came into direct contact with it later in EE.

    I can see the connection between Kant and Christianity. I was reading a book by Joshua Mitchell (a US political scientist) about the Woke movement called ‘American Awakening’. He is writing from a Protestant perspective, but he highlights that the reaction Woke is inspiring in religious terms is either Pagan, Trad Catholic or Orthodox, or Nietzschean. I wonder if there is some sort of shift in European religion going on, where those options are going to become the most important. I know I was drawn to Goddess figures and all the devotional beliefs around the Virgin Mary, I would guess as part of a reaction to experience of very secular versions of feminism when I was at university and after.

  898. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Don’t recall it being behind closed doors.

    Ok I will use Google for you:

    The trial of Navalny, Russian President Vladimir Putin's fiercest domestic critic, unfolded behind closed doors and highly unusual circumstances.

    In Friday's ruling, the court found Navalny had retroactively financed and incited "extremist activities" through his now-defunct Anti-Corruption Foundation. Judges also found the opposition leader guilty of "rehabilitating Nazi ideology."

    https://www.npr.org/2023/08/04/1191809199/navalny-prison-sentence-russia-putin-kremlin

    Lira’s “crime” was saying things the Kiev regime didn’t like. Some free open society of a democracy.

    Why didn't Lira contact the US embassy if he needed medical assistance while in prison? How do we know his chain smoking habit didn't kill him?

    What exactly was so damning that Lira had to say? Why didn't he leave an article summarizing his positions?

    Putin has dealt with a hostile media in a way that Biden and numerous Western leader haven’t.

    So you think Biden should lock journalists away for 5 years for criticizing the government? Should Ron Unz get 5 years for criticizing the US government over Gaza?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Like Julian Assange getting locked up and American journos banned from writing for a certain venue (Strategic Culture Foundation).

    Lira’s father petitioned for the State Dept top act on his son’s behalf. Biden bragged about how he earlier got the Kiev regime to fire the prosecutor. No such activism for Lira. Purely political.

    Navalny flaunted the law as evidenced by the Yves Rocher matter and his blatantly violating the permit requirement for holding demos. His jackass manner in court didn’t help him as well.

    His case got plenty of coverage which included his smug jackass manner towards the prosecution and judge. Technically, this was behind “closed doors”, seeing that the doors of the court weren’t open.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Like Julian Assange getting locked up and American journos banned from writing for a certain venue (Strategic Culture Foundation).

    Julian Assange was not locked up for being a journalist. He was wanted for dumping classified military data on to the internet with the help of a trannie traitor. There is no right to dumping classified information and that is a crime in the US. Julian and the trannie didn't even know what they were releasing. They just dumped tons of data for other people to look through. You can get people killed by doing that. It's illegal for good reason.

    Lira’s father petitioned for the State Dept top act on his son’s behalf.

    Why didn't Lira contact that the State Department on his own and why did he write his sister and not his wife? Why didn't he elaborate on his condition?

    There are too many mysteries with the Lira case.

    He did not leave the world with some type of damning article against Ukraine or the US.

    Go ahead and post it if you think it exists. I asked his fans in the Lira thread and they produced nothing. What exactly was so subversive? He did youtube interviews while chain smoking and rambled about the US and Ukraine.

    He in fact scrubbed a bunch of his terrible dating advice videos. The guy wanted the image of the subversive journalist without actually doing anything.

    But by all means prove me wrong and show me some type of work that would get him killed.

    Most likely explanation is that he had a terminal disease from chain smoking and wanted to go out as a martyr. His fans fell for the act but I'm not buying it.

  899. @Mikel
    @AP

    You are taking the verdict against you with much less dignity than Trump. He has just been fined with roughly half a billion dollars (including interests and the previous sham trial), which is more than the national budget of many countries, but yesterday I heard him make a rather sober assessment of how the US justice system is degrading.

    You have been caught red handed misrepresenting what Putin said. At no point did he say to Tucker that he invaded Ukraine for conquest reasons. On the contrary, he acknowledged that Russia had accepted the breakup of the USSR under the borders of the former republics and that he had been willing to implement the Minsk agreements, hard though it was to convince the people of Donbas. Anyone who heard the whole interview or just read the passages I quoted has been shown that, contrary to your statements, he found NATO's expansion to Ukraine a pivotal reason for his invasion.

    I'm sorry but it's too late for you to insist on defending your deceitful interpretation of the interview. The verdict is out and you better start paying your fine if you don't want interests to accumulate. As you know, Gerard is just eager for you to miss the deadline and give him the chance to invade your family home, as Letitia James warned he would do with Trump Tower if he doesn't pay. It's just the way the justice system that you support works.


    when you complain of immigration and the border (I share these concerns)
     
    No, you don't share my same concerns. Stop obfuscating. For starters, you confessed that you were OK with 1-2 million additional undocumented entries per year as long as Ukraine gets its funding. Secondly, you haven't lived many years among Latin Americans, as I have. I don't wish ill upon anyone but there are very good reasons why I think that letting millions of them in the US every year is a very bad idea. My concern is based on a personal experience that you do not share with me at all.

    At the same time, I'm not revealing anything new by stating the obvious fact that some American citizens care much more about their old country than about the US. If you are a not a living, breathing example of this, nobody is. And the fact that you are supporting undisguised judicial reprisals against political opponents in the US, like they do in Ukraine all the time, makes the matter even worse in your case.

    Replies: @AP

    You have been caught red handed misrepresenting what Putin said

    False. But go on adding to your falsehoods.

    When I proved that my words were accurate you ignored the proof.

    I wrote: “ Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.”

    I provided two examples of that. You ignored it.

    I also noted that only after 1.5 hours did Putin state that NATO was a reason.

    You were caught red-handed misrepresenting what “fraud” is and misrepresenting what I wrote. You are also misrepresenting Putin’s interview.

    All if this follows your pattern of misrepresentation when you lose an argument.

    For starters, you confessed that you were OK with 1-2 million additional undocumented entries per year as long as Ukraine gets its funding

    Another misrepresentation.

    You are really on a roll.

    I pointed out that an additional 1 million was a lesser evil than the 2 million or more that otherwise flood in.

    Secondly, you haven’t lived many years among Latin Americans, as I have. I don’t wish ill upon anyone but there are very good reasons why I think that letting millions of them in the US every year

    Clearly they (or your idea of them) rubbed off on you, given your admitted tolerance for fraud and corruption.

    At the same time, I’m not revealing anything new by stating the obvious fact that some American citizens care much more about their old country than about the US

    I care about both. You may not care about either one.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    I pointed out that an additional 1 million was a lesser evil than the 2 million or more that otherwise flood in.

     

    Excluding the financial cost (welfare, et cetera), are they really that much of a problem? I view them as the US's equivalent of Mizrahi Jews (in relation to Israeli Ashkenazi Jews) or southern Italians (in relation to northern Italians).

    I don't believe that cutting off immigration will improve the life outcomes of the Hispanics who already live in the US. At best, it might marginally improve their wages (likely by less than 10% and possibly by less than 5%). It won't raise Hispanic-American average IQs, for instance. And Hispanic-Americans already live longer than Non-Hispanic White Americans live.

    FWIW, I'm unsure that cutting off immigration to the US in the 1920s did more good than harm. Even if the northeastern US would have become another Italy (not another southern Italy, mind you, but another Italy, with half of the population being of smart Germanic stock, similar to how the northern half of Italy's population is smart, non-corrupt, and more Germanic-influenced in culture), it would have still been worth it to get hundreds of thousands of additional Ashkenazi Jews to immigrate to the US and thus to save them from the impending Holocaust.
  900. @AP
    @Beckow


    Basically a draw: Nato in Ukraine is a loss for Russia but loss of Crimea-Azov is a loss for Ukraine. Donbas less so, it is only a battleground. Any outcome with Ukraine in Nato is a loss for Russia – compensated with territory, but unstable. It would lead to another war
     
    Nonsense. There has never been a war between Russia and a NATO state. NATO membership would result in any potential Ukrainian revisionists being held back by cautious Germans and French. And it would frighten Russia into not trying another attack. It would be the outcome most likely to produce a lasting peace. The strength of Russian opposition to Ukrainian NATO membership will be a good way of measuring the strength of Russian desire to try to invade Ukraine in the future. If Russia doesn't care about NATO membership, we will know that it has no plans to invade again. This would probably be more likely if Russia keeps Crimea.

    The draw is unlikely, both sides made it existential.
     
    Both sides may get sick enough of the slaughter. Ukrainians might be willing to give up territory with non-Ukrainian majorities, Russians may be willing to let the rest of Ukraine go.

    Ukies are used as pions in a game, discarded and patronized
     
    In the same way that Soviets and Brits were used by the Americans during World War II. This does not mean that either should have stopped resisting the Germans, or should have denied the help they were given by the Americans. Can you imagine Stalin or Churchill deciding - "I am being a pawn of the Americans, bleeding the Soviet (or British) people to weaken the Germans. I will not accept any more planes, trucks, railroads, etc. I will ask to give up territory for peace"

    Some pro-Russians in the West actually think Ukrainians should take such an approach towards the Russian invaders.

    Russia committed a massive blunder by invading Ukraine. America takes full advantage of this blunder.


    Life is a question of alternatives: living in a neutral imperfect Ukraine is better than dying for a ‘membership in Nato‘
     
    For most Ukrainians, leaving Russia behind and joining their western brothers in a common European space is worth fighting for. The brutality and evil unleashed upon them as a consequence of their decision confirms to them that they were correct in wanting to escape.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Some pro-Russians in the West actually think Ukrainians should take such an approach towards the Russian invaders.

    Russia committed a massive blunder by invading Ukraine. America takes full advantage of this blunder.

    Some Westerners, such as Philippe Lemoine, a right-wing Frenchman, think that the West would have been better off letting Russia have Ukraine and then sponsoring an anti-Russian insurgency there so that Russia would have eventually left Ukraine voluntarily. (But what if Russia would have never left Ukraine, or at least not in our own lifetimes, barring a successful cure to aging?) He thinks that having the West preserve cooperation with Russia on things like nuclear non-proliferation (Iran, North Korea) and arms control (again, Iran, North Korea, et cetera) is an acceptable price worth paying for having the West throw Ukraine under the bus. The possibility that Ukrainians could come to hate the West as much as Russians currently do if the West would have followed his advice does not seem to be lost to him. He also believes that Russia’s December 2021 ultimatum demands were reasonable even though he says that he knows that Russia knew that the West would never accept these demands.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    He's just a different flavor of Western pro-Russian fool/tool.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  901. @AP
    Our former host posted this on his X.

    Percentage of Russians who would cancel SMO if they could go back in time is at an all-time high, 37%:

    https://optim.tildacdn.com/tild3139-3433-4931-b336-323065373037/-/resize/860x/-/format/webp/56.png

    It was 26% in early May of last year.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Quite amazing that a majority of Russians (near-majority in late 2023) still supports the SMO in spite of Russia likely losing 100,000+ of its own troops in it by now. Surely simply annexing the Donbass Republics in February 2022 would have been much less bloody, no?

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    It’s just the Chechen was on steroids. Follows the same pattern but on a vast scale.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Your logic is backwards. Greater losses validate the seriousness of the Western threat which leads to increased support for fighting. At some point, if losses are bad enough, the majority of Russians may decide that leaders of Ukraine must be dealt with directly and harshly. In which case Kiev and Dnipropetrovsk could be in trouble.

    The Russian military is reportedly using a lot of FAB500 glide bombs to take out Ukrainian troops. If similar bombs are widely used on major infrastructure and buildings the results will be very ugly. Soon, the citizens in these cities may be held accountable for the foolish actions of their leaders.

    Replies: @AP

  902. @AP
    @Mikel


    You have been caught red handed misrepresenting what Putin said
     
    False. But go on adding to your falsehoods.

    When I proved that my words were accurate you ignored the proof.

    I wrote: “ Tucker kept bringing up the NATO lie, but Putin didn’t take the bait and instead talked about history of union and the two peoples being one people.”

    I provided two examples of that. You ignored it.

    I also noted that only after 1.5 hours did Putin state that NATO was a reason.

    You were caught red-handed misrepresenting what “fraud” is and misrepresenting what I wrote. You are also misrepresenting Putin’s interview.

    All if this follows your pattern of misrepresentation when you lose an argument.

    For starters, you confessed that you were OK with 1-2 million additional undocumented entries per year as long as Ukraine gets its funding
     
    Another misrepresentation.

    You are really on a roll.

    I pointed out that an additional 1 million was a lesser evil than the 2 million or more that otherwise flood in.

    Secondly, you haven’t lived many years among Latin Americans, as I have. I don’t wish ill upon anyone but there are very good reasons why I think that letting millions of them in the US every year

     

    Clearly they (or your idea of them) rubbed off on you, given your admitted tolerance for fraud and corruption.

    At the same time, I’m not revealing anything new by stating the obvious fact that some American citizens care much more about their old country than about the US

     

    I care about both. You may not care about either one.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I pointed out that an additional 1 million was a lesser evil than the 2 million or more that otherwise flood in.

    Excluding the financial cost (welfare, et cetera), are they really that much of a problem? I view them as the US’s equivalent of Mizrahi Jews (in relation to Israeli Ashkenazi Jews) or southern Italians (in relation to northern Italians).

    I don’t believe that cutting off immigration will improve the life outcomes of the Hispanics who already live in the US. At best, it might marginally improve their wages (likely by less than 10% and possibly by less than 5%). It won’t raise Hispanic-American average IQs, for instance. And Hispanic-Americans already live longer than Non-Hispanic White Americans live.

    FWIW, I’m unsure that cutting off immigration to the US in the 1920s did more good than harm. Even if the northeastern US would have become another Italy (not another southern Italy, mind you, but another Italy, with half of the population being of smart Germanic stock, similar to how the northern half of Italy’s population is smart, non-corrupt, and more Germanic-influenced in culture), it would have still been worth it to get hundreds of thousands of additional Ashkenazi Jews to immigrate to the US and thus to save them from the impending Holocaust.

  903. @AP
    @Beckow


    Interesting. In the 1950’s to 80’s many other Euro countries were de facto socialist: Sweden, Austria…they called it a mixed model but the state was preeminent.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_government_spending_as_percentage_of_GDP#Historical_Development

    Government revenue as percentage of GDP was under 50% in Austria until 1980. It had been in the 30s in the 1960s and 1970s. In Sweden it did not exceed 50%until the year 2000.

    However socialism is when the major industries are owned by the workers (typically, through the state). When the factories and businesses are state enterprises rather than privately-owned.
    Here are the largest Swedish companies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Swedish_companies

    Here are the nes owned by the government:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_enterprises_of_Sweden

    None of the largest ones are government-owned.

    Sweden is a fully capitalist country, it just has high taxes (for the private companies and individuals) which the government spends. It's not a bad model, as long as the spending is under control because the population works and doesn't require to be taken of. Mass immigration and smaller-than-necessary family sizes broke it.

    You are trying to mix things up by equating the failed socialism of the Communist Bloc with the successful social democratic capitalism of western Europe.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    However socialism is when the major industries are owned by the workers (typically, through the state). When the factories and businesses are state enterprises rather than privately-owned.

    Question: Would it be socialism if the workers own shares in various companies (for instance, in these companies’ stocks) that control the means of production, up to the point of all workers as a whole owning a majority of the shares in these companies? Or would that not be socialism because it doesn’t involve government control?

    Apparently this model actually exists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_stock_ownership

    One would think that such a model would be more attractive relative to the socialism in Communist countries in real life because, in addition to the more democratic and less brutal factor of it, the control of the means of production in such a model would genuinely remain with the workers, especially if workers could only sell their company stocks to other workers rather than to “capitalist exploiters” (using socialist lingo).

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Question: Would it be socialism if the workers own shares in various companies (for instance, in these companies’ stocks) that control the means of production, up to the point of all workers as a whole owning a majority of the shares in these companies?
     
    I think it would be society as a whole, which would mean government ownership. Though the case of some massive enterprise employing 100,000s of people might be a gray area.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  904. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    "Smug system descriptor" (?) or just extremely talented? I can see why, however, he wouldn't be popular among the kremlin stooge crowd.

    Awards:
    1994: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning
    1995: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    1996: Mencken Award for Editorial Cartooning, presented by Free Press Association[19]
    1997: UCI Medal, University of California, Irvine
    1997: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2004: Lincoln Fellow, Claremont Institute
    2005: Scripps Howard Foundation, National Journalism Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2006: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2007: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning[1]
    2008: Fischetti Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2011: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning[20]
    2013: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2014: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2015: National Cartoonist Society The Reuben Award
    2018: Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site Advancing American Democracy Award
    Honorary Member of Pi Sigma Alpha, National Political Honor Society

    https://www.michaelpramirez.com/uploads/3/4/9/8/34985326/mrz022024-color-copy_orig.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The cartoon itself is bilge. Carlson and Putin’s interview was pretty interesting. The cartoon bubbles could have easily been this instead…

    “I’m not in the CIA, honestly.” Carlson

    “I’m glad they didn’t hire you, I’m no longer in the KGB.” Putin

    It would have sufficed. Here’s another smug system friendly yid take on Carlson’s interview.

    So irrelevant Jon Leibovitz did an unhinged 15 minutes hit piece on him. Ramirez is a dull boring miss hit.

  905. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Quite amazing that a majority of Russians (near-majority in late 2023) still supports the SMO in spite of Russia likely losing 100,000+ of its own troops in it by now. Surely simply annexing the Donbass Republics in February 2022 would have been much less bloody, no?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    It’s just the Chechen was on steroids. Follows the same pattern but on a vast scale.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    You mean Chechen *War* on steroids, I would presume?

    And Yeah, possibly, pretty much, though Ukrainians are much culturally closer to Russians than Chechens are. Though Russians might view suspected Banderists (now pretty much the entire Ukrainian military) similarly to how they view Chechens.

  906. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Quite amazing that a majority of Russians (near-majority in late 2023) still supports the SMO in spite of Russia likely losing 100,000+ of its own troops in it by now. Surely simply annexing the Donbass Republics in February 2022 would have been much less bloody, no?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    Your logic is backwards. Greater losses validate the seriousness of the Western threat which leads to increased support for fighting. At some point, if losses are bad enough, the majority of Russians may decide that leaders of Ukraine must be dealt with directly and harshly. In which case Kiev and Dnipropetrovsk could be in trouble.

    The Russian military is reportedly using a lot of FAB500 glide bombs to take out Ukrainian troops. If similar bombs are widely used on major infrastructure and buildings the results will be very ugly. Soon, the citizens in these cities may be held accountable for the foolish actions of their leaders.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    Your logic is backwards. Greater losses validate the seriousness of the Western threat which leads to increased support for fighting.
     
    Except support has declined.

    You are so lost in your compulsion to be contrarian at all costs that most of your thinking is backwards. You have IIRC claimed that the more Ukrainians get killed, the more pro-Russian Ukraine will become (your "reasoning" was that the anti-Russian Ukrainians will be killed off, leaving only pro-Russian ones left). By that logic, surviving Poles ought to have been really pro-German after World War II, and surviving Jews the most pro-German people on the planet. The more Russia attacks, the more it is under attack. Etc.

    It's a demonstration of the essential foolishness of contrariness.

    Replies: @QCIC

  907. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Some pro-Russians in the West actually think Ukrainians should take such an approach towards the Russian invaders.

    Russia committed a massive blunder by invading Ukraine. America takes full advantage of this blunder.
     
    Some Westerners, such as Philippe Lemoine, a right-wing Frenchman, think that the West would have been better off letting Russia have Ukraine and then sponsoring an anti-Russian insurgency there so that Russia would have eventually left Ukraine voluntarily. (But what if Russia would have never left Ukraine, or at least not in our own lifetimes, barring a successful cure to aging?) He thinks that having the West preserve cooperation with Russia on things like nuclear non-proliferation (Iran, North Korea) and arms control (again, Iran, North Korea, et cetera) is an acceptable price worth paying for having the West throw Ukraine under the bus. The possibility that Ukrainians could come to hate the West as much as Russians currently do if the West would have followed his advice does not seem to be lost to him. He also believes that Russia's December 2021 ultimatum demands were reasonable even though he says that he knows that Russia knew that the West would never accept these demands.

    Replies: @AP

    He’s just a different flavor of Western pro-Russian fool/tool.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Yeah, he also told me that if the US wasn't funding a "proxy war" (his words) against Russia, then it would be easier for the West to subsequently broker a negotiated peace between Russia and Ukrainians who are opposed to Russia. But that would be assuming that Russia would actually be interested in a negotiated peace with such Ukrainians in such a scenario, even if, as he believes, Russia would have had decades of civil unrest in Ukraine (mass protests and the occasional terrorist attack) similar to what existed in Kosovo between 1981 and 1998, before the situation there turned really hot.

    BTW, off-topic, but Anatoly Karlin has previously written this:

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/


    The reasons I refuse to support Ukraine are threefold. First, although the Russian state unambiguously carries the primary responsibility for the Ukraine War, it is not an exclusive one; think Germany in WW1, not in WW2. Ukrainian nationalists played the key role in torpedoing the Steinmeier Formula for an OSCE-observed independence referendum in the LDNR that could have delineated the Russo-Ukrainian border along what was ultimately very close to the line dividing Ukrainian and Russian majorities back in 2019. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian state engaged in a concerted campaign of illiberal Ukrainization at home and anti-Russian provocations abroad. In addition to accelerating linguistic and religious Ukrainization, what you had in Ukraine was pro-Russian parties getting banned and politicians arrested, peaceful pro-Russian activists imprisoned or even killed (e.g. Oles Buzina), historical Russian statues dismantled and no I am not talking about the mass produced Lenins, and pro-Russian and even Russia-neutral media outlets were shut down. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians cut off water to Crimea, its intelligence services attempted kidnapping operations on Russian soil and in international airspace, and even provided an official roof to the Dnepropetrovsk crooks who became infamous for scamming Russian pensioners on an industrial scale. In April 2021, they engaged in threatening military maneuvers next to Donbass (it is alleged Putin made the final decision to invade that summer). Most importantly, Ukraine remained set on NATO membership, and the Americans never disabused them of that notion or even insisted on the necessity of resolving their territorial issues with Russia before it could go forward.
     
    First of all, based on Anatoly's own logic, Poland can also bear some responsibility (albeit not most responsibility) for WWII by refusing to ally with Hitler and instead allying with the Anglo-French and by refusing to negotiate in good faith with Germany on the status of both Danzig and the Polish Corridor as well as on the status of ethnic Germans in Poland. The book Orphans of Versailles describes the mistreatment of Germans in Poland during the interwar era. If Russia had a right to be aggrieved at aggressive Ukrainianization measures in Ukraine and at Ukraine seeking NATO membership, why exactly wouldn't Nazi Germany have a right to be aggrieved at Poland allying with the Anglo-French instead of Nazi Germany as well as at Poland refusing to reach a fair settlement of its territorial disputes with Germany and also Poland refusing to treat its ethnic German minority as well as it should have treated them?

    Hitler's pre-WWII ultimatum to Poland was fairly reasonable, all else considered:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Poland

    Had Poland accepted all of it and Hitler would have attacked anyway, then Nazi Germany would have had exclusive, not just primary, responsibility for sparking WWII.

    Also, some of Anatoly Karlin's grievances against Ukraine can be disputed. For instance, Ukraine denying water to Crimea can be justified if one views the Crimean Canal as more akin to a water pipeline than to a river, and in any case, Russia never waited from any ruling on this issue from any international court before proceeding in its invasion of Ukraine. Similarly, as you said, Ukraine's language policies appear to be no worse than those of EU members France and the Baltics, and they are supposed even by a majority of Ukrainian Russophones (albeit not by a majority of Ukrainian ethnic Russians) according to Ukrainian polling data. In any case, if Russia would have believed that Ukraine was violating any of its treaty obligations in regards to minority rights, there was always the option of having Russia sponsor lawsuits against Ukraine in regards to this in European courts, no? Yet Russia doesn't appear to have ever actually chosen this option, instead preferring to invade Ukraine. Banning pro-Russian parties and censoring pro-Russian media outlets could in theory be justified since Ukraine even pre-2022 was in a state of low-level war with Russia, though it is a gray area because the level of war was not at full intensity like it was since 2022. In any case, the banned pro-Russian parties could simply re-form under another name. (Did Britain have an obligation to allow pro-Nazi speech during WWII? Did the US, before Pearl Harbor? Also, if Russia wants noospheric partitioning from the West, why exactly shouldn't Ukraine be entitled to noospheric partitioning from the Russian world?) Considering that Russia itself likely engages in extraterritorial and possibly extrajudicial killings, I'm unsure what exactly Russia has to criticize Ukraine for in regards to this. Ruthlessness appears to be a common East Slavic trait, unfortunately. FWIW, I wish that all East Slavic countries didn't actually engage in this type of behavior, but it seems strange for Russia to criticize Ukraine for doing something that Russia itself has done. Having Ukraine consider long-term plans for an Operation Storm in the Donbass was morally questionable, but even so, one might wonder whether the residents of the Donbass would have been better off under renewed Ukrainian rule than under the rule of thugs and bandits, especially for so long as Russia was refusing to outright annex them. In any case, it's far from obvious that Russia itself is blameless for Ukraine's post-2014 behavior. When Russia took Ukrainian territory, even based on (somewhat dubious--the Crimean referendum likely wasn't free and fair) national self-determination grounds, it was entirely reasonable for Ukraine to subsequently engage in some of these anti-Russian moves afterwards. Just like Hitler's conquest of Prague in March 1939 could possibly be blamed for the Anglo-French guarantees to Poland, which in turn might have helped make the Poles more obstinate in regards to compromising with Nazi Germany. And while I do agree that, before the war, Ukraine would have been better off giving up Crimea and the Donbass--say, in exchange for NATO membership--that deal wasn't actually on the table and in any case, countries, including Russia itself, generally don't like giving up their own territory. Serbia still refuses to give up Kosovo, for instance, Russia has not given up Chechnya, and it took a hell of a lost of lost lives for France to finally give up on both Indochina and Algeria in the 20th century.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, if you're curious, Philippe Lemoine believes that both Russia and Ukraine could have become a part of the West by now had different decisions been made back in the 1990s, such as creating an inclusive European security architecture (one that includes Russia as well), providing much more macroeconomic aid to Russia back when Yegor Gaidar's government was still in charge of financial policy there, and presumably NATO not bombing Serbia/Yugoslavia back in 1999 as well.

  908. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Your logic is backwards. Greater losses validate the seriousness of the Western threat which leads to increased support for fighting. At some point, if losses are bad enough, the majority of Russians may decide that leaders of Ukraine must be dealt with directly and harshly. In which case Kiev and Dnipropetrovsk could be in trouble.

    The Russian military is reportedly using a lot of FAB500 glide bombs to take out Ukrainian troops. If similar bombs are widely used on major infrastructure and buildings the results will be very ugly. Soon, the citizens in these cities may be held accountable for the foolish actions of their leaders.

    Replies: @AP

    Your logic is backwards. Greater losses validate the seriousness of the Western threat which leads to increased support for fighting.

    Except support has declined.

    You are so lost in your compulsion to be contrarian at all costs that most of your thinking is backwards. You have IIRC claimed that the more Ukrainians get killed, the more pro-Russian Ukraine will become (your “reasoning” was that the anti-Russian Ukrainians will be killed off, leaving only pro-Russian ones left). By that logic, surviving Poles ought to have been really pro-German after World War II, and surviving Jews the most pro-German people on the planet. The more Russia attacks, the more it is under attack. Etc.

    It’s a demonstration of the essential foolishness of contrariness.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    I consider XYZ a troll so my responses to his comments may be contrarian. For most other commenters, I try to pose alternatives for consideration which are not intentionally contrarian.

    To expand on my earlier point you mentioned, I was trying to say that I believe there is a limited number of Ukrainians willing to take up arms in this situation. These guys are mostly highly polarized against Russia. As they are killed off in the fighting, the number of Ukrainians who are angry at Russia may stay the same or increase slightly as you suggest. But the pool of violent young men who will become dangerous guerrillas after the SMO is gradually reduced. These are the people that any "peacekeeping force" must deal with. My suggestion could be mistaken and perhaps for each fighter killed, two more are created. The weaker party in a conflict often hopes this will occur, but I think it is rare. It took a long time to build up and train the large force Ukraine needed at the beginning of the SMO. The press ganging and other radical conscription measures in the past year suggest there are not many new fighters to be found.

    When and if it becomes unsafe for Ukrainian SBU teams to attempt to press gang new conscripts a turning point will be near.

  909. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    However socialism is when the major industries are owned by the workers (typically, through the state). When the factories and businesses are state enterprises rather than privately-owned.
     
    Question: Would it be socialism if the workers own shares in various companies (for instance, in these companies' stocks) that control the means of production, up to the point of all workers as a whole owning a majority of the shares in these companies? Or would that not be socialism because it doesn't involve government control?

    Apparently this model actually exists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_stock_ownership

    One would think that such a model would be more attractive relative to the socialism in Communist countries in real life because, in addition to the more democratic and less brutal factor of it, the control of the means of production in such a model would genuinely remain with the workers, especially if workers could only sell their company stocks to other workers rather than to "capitalist exploiters" (using socialist lingo).

    Replies: @AP

    Question: Would it be socialism if the workers own shares in various companies (for instance, in these companies’ stocks) that control the means of production, up to the point of all workers as a whole owning a majority of the shares in these companies?

    I think it would be society as a whole, which would mean government ownership. Though the case of some massive enterprise employing 100,000s of people might be a gray area.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Even if it requires ownership by society as a whole (government ownership or at least a company with hundreds of thousands of workers), shouldn't a basic prerequisite of socialism be democracy? After all, if the government controls the means of production but is completely unaccountable to the people (a one-party state, for instance), then how exactly are the people themselves meaningfully in control of the means of production? In such a scenario, the party elites would become the new capitalist exploiters, no? Except much less humane towards the people whom they exploit than the capitalist exploiters themselves were.

  910. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Navalny was no threat to Putin.

    Then why lock him in a Siberian prison? Why not debate him on television like a real man?

    Because Putin isn't a real man and everyone knows it. He's terrified of women asking him questions. He gave a female journalist 5 years for criticizing the war.

    Putin also probably resented Navalny for being tall.

    Bitter 5'1 men like Putin are extremely resentful of tall men. I don't think it is by chance that Putin put a fellow 5'1 dwarf in charge of Chechnya. His mafia Muslim midget pal Kadyrov. His Jewish propagandist is also under 5'3.

    Putin has a very sensitive ego and doesn't like standing next to tall men. Stalin was the same way and in fact would not stand for a picture with FDR. The famous WW2 picture of the three leaders has them sitting.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Wielgus

    FDR was crippled by polio and could not stand at all, without support. This was a secret well-kept from the American public who might have questioned his fitness to be President.
    Nowadays we can have Presidents who forget where they are or even who is living and who is dead, like Biden, and nobody seems to care.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  911. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Lvov founded by a Russian
     
    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    Lviv's founder King Daniel was the son of a Byzantine Princess and a Volhynian prince (Roman). Roman's father was a Volhynian prince and his other was Polish.

    Daniel of Galicia accepted a crown from the Pope.

    He was also the last legitimate (pre-Mongol) ruler of Kiev.

    The Russian historian Vernadsky contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia.

    Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland
     
    Sovok civil "engineer" bad at math again.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn't over 2 million by 1939

    And Stalin deported 100,000s of those Poles in Eastern Galicia to Russia or Central Asia in 1939-1941, so there were far fewer left when most of the remaining ones were deported to Poland.

    Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists
     
    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region. They moved to another part of the same region they were native to. They were no more colonists than Finns moving west from Vyborg to Fin-controlled territories were colonists.

    At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too
     
    They certainly were not native to those regions, they were outsiders. I'm not sure that they could be characterized as colonists. Were they sent there to cement Soviet authority in those lands and/or help administer the Soviet administration?

    Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists?
     
    If they moved to Estonia as part of Soviet efforts in order to strengthen and promote Soviet rule there they would be colonists. Otherwise, no.

    Lvov the city- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries
     
    They were consistently about 15%-20% of the population. They owned a palace on the central square:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/10_Market_Square%2C_Lviv_%2810%29.jpg/731px-10_Market_Square%2C_Lviv_%2810%29.jpg?20150908210249

    and their mother Church was a large beautiful building on a hilltop in the city.

    https://find-way.com.ua/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_DJI_0594.jpg

    My family had nice lives in Lviv since arriving in the late 19th century/early 20th century.

    Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?
     
    Someone moving from a village to the regional capital is not a colonist. You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    Galicia, because of khokholisation is the most artificially, ethnically-constructed place on the planet
     
    Galicia and Volhynia are less rootless than any other East Slavic lands, due to having been spared the horrors of Bolshevism and its radical social experiments and cultural destruction from 1918-1945 (1939-1941 were still somewhat lackluster). But unlike Volhynia, Galicia achieved a higher level of development under the benevolent Hapsburgs, with full literacy of students in their own language, mass political participation, etc. Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs, they highlight your own inferiority. Thus your bitterness. Cry more.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    They owned a palace on the central square:

    LMFAO, Lubomirsky a “Palace” – it just shows what a stereotypical dumb American you are to write unironically about this as “palace” to give impression of grandeur !! Lubomirsky “Palace” ? It’s as much a palace as Mr Hack’s garage
    There are bars I have been in that that are bigger and have better grandeur levels. Zero Europeans would consider classifying that building as a palace you idiot. I have been there ( different to you of course), nice building…..completely forgettable.
    If you to actually fulfil your fantasy of going to Europe one day – the Tsygan/Roma types will be salivating at potential scamming scum as yourself if you ever ask for assistance, or if they drive you in taxi if you are thinking that’s a european palace.

    and their mother Church was a large beautiful building on a hilltop in the city.

    You realise you stupid fantasist prick that with this good church, the “palace” and an embarrassingly small number of other things……just how much more of a loser this shows yourself as ? Even Riga in Nazi Latvia has exponentially larger Russian heritage in old city than Banderites have in Lvov, Ternopol etc.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    They owned a palace on the central square:

    LMFAO, Lubomirsky a “Palace” – it just shows what a stereotypical dumb American you are to write unironically about this as “palace” to give impression of grandeur !! Lubomirsky “Palace” ? It’s as much a palace as Mr Hack’s garage
     
    It was good enough for prince Lubomirsky and for the Austrian governors, but not so great for a Sovok civil "engineer" who sweeps floors in some crappy town in northern England, who probably grew up in a Khrushchovka.

    You are funny sometimes, at least, I'll give you that.
  912. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    He's just a different flavor of Western pro-Russian fool/tool.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, he also told me that if the US wasn’t funding a “proxy war” (his words) against Russia, then it would be easier for the West to subsequently broker a negotiated peace between Russia and Ukrainians who are opposed to Russia. But that would be assuming that Russia would actually be interested in a negotiated peace with such Ukrainians in such a scenario, even if, as he believes, Russia would have had decades of civil unrest in Ukraine (mass protests and the occasional terrorist attack) similar to what existed in Kosovo between 1981 and 1998, before the situation there turned really hot.

    BTW, off-topic, but Anatoly Karlin has previously written this:

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    The reasons I refuse to support Ukraine are threefold. First, although the Russian state unambiguously carries the primary responsibility for the Ukraine War, it is not an exclusive one; think Germany in WW1, not in WW2. Ukrainian nationalists played the key role in torpedoing the Steinmeier Formula for an OSCE-observed independence referendum in the LDNR that could have delineated the Russo-Ukrainian border along what was ultimately very close to the line dividing Ukrainian and Russian majorities back in 2019. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian state engaged in a concerted campaign of illiberal Ukrainization at home and anti-Russian provocations abroad. In addition to accelerating linguistic and religious Ukrainization, what you had in Ukraine was pro-Russian parties getting banned and politicians arrested, peaceful pro-Russian activists imprisoned or even killed (e.g. Oles Buzina), historical Russian statues dismantled and no I am not talking about the mass produced Lenins, and pro-Russian and even Russia-neutral media outlets were shut down. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians cut off water to Crimea, its intelligence services attempted kidnapping operations on Russian soil and in international airspace, and even provided an official roof to the Dnepropetrovsk crooks who became infamous for scamming Russian pensioners on an industrial scale. In April 2021, they engaged in threatening military maneuvers next to Donbass (it is alleged Putin made the final decision to invade that summer). Most importantly, Ukraine remained set on NATO membership, and the Americans never disabused them of that notion or even insisted on the necessity of resolving their territorial issues with Russia before it could go forward.

    First of all, based on Anatoly’s own logic, Poland can also bear some responsibility (albeit not most responsibility) for WWII by refusing to ally with Hitler and instead allying with the Anglo-French and by refusing to negotiate in good faith with Germany on the status of both Danzig and the Polish Corridor as well as on the status of ethnic Germans in Poland. The book Orphans of Versailles describes the mistreatment of Germans in Poland during the interwar era. If Russia had a right to be aggrieved at aggressive Ukrainianization measures in Ukraine and at Ukraine seeking NATO membership, why exactly wouldn’t Nazi Germany have a right to be aggrieved at Poland allying with the Anglo-French instead of Nazi Germany as well as at Poland refusing to reach a fair settlement of its territorial disputes with Germany and also Poland refusing to treat its ethnic German minority as well as it should have treated them?

    Hitler’s pre-WWII ultimatum to Poland was fairly reasonable, all else considered:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Poland

    Had Poland accepted all of it and Hitler would have attacked anyway, then Nazi Germany would have had exclusive, not just primary, responsibility for sparking WWII.

    Also, some of Anatoly Karlin’s grievances against Ukraine can be disputed. For instance, Ukraine denying water to Crimea can be justified if one views the Crimean Canal as more akin to a water pipeline than to a river, and in any case, Russia never waited from any ruling on this issue from any international court before proceeding in its invasion of Ukraine. Similarly, as you said, Ukraine’s language policies appear to be no worse than those of EU members France and the Baltics, and they are supposed even by a majority of Ukrainian Russophones (albeit not by a majority of Ukrainian ethnic Russians) according to Ukrainian polling data. In any case, if Russia would have believed that Ukraine was violating any of its treaty obligations in regards to minority rights, there was always the option of having Russia sponsor lawsuits against Ukraine in regards to this in European courts, no? Yet Russia doesn’t appear to have ever actually chosen this option, instead preferring to invade Ukraine. Banning pro-Russian parties and censoring pro-Russian media outlets could in theory be justified since Ukraine even pre-2022 was in a state of low-level war with Russia, though it is a gray area because the level of war was not at full intensity like it was since 2022. In any case, the banned pro-Russian parties could simply re-form under another name. (Did Britain have an obligation to allow pro-Nazi speech during WWII? Did the US, before Pearl Harbor? Also, if Russia wants noospheric partitioning from the West, why exactly shouldn’t Ukraine be entitled to noospheric partitioning from the Russian world?) Considering that Russia itself likely engages in extraterritorial and possibly extrajudicial killings, I’m unsure what exactly Russia has to criticize Ukraine for in regards to this. Ruthlessness appears to be a common East Slavic trait, unfortunately. FWIW, I wish that all East Slavic countries didn’t actually engage in this type of behavior, but it seems strange for Russia to criticize Ukraine for doing something that Russia itself has done. Having Ukraine consider long-term plans for an Operation Storm in the Donbass was morally questionable, but even so, one might wonder whether the residents of the Donbass would have been better off under renewed Ukrainian rule than under the rule of thugs and bandits, especially for so long as Russia was refusing to outright annex them. In any case, it’s far from obvious that Russia itself is blameless for Ukraine’s post-2014 behavior. When Russia took Ukrainian territory, even based on (somewhat dubious–the Crimean referendum likely wasn’t free and fair) national self-determination grounds, it was entirely reasonable for Ukraine to subsequently engage in some of these anti-Russian moves afterwards. Just like Hitler’s conquest of Prague in March 1939 could possibly be blamed for the Anglo-French guarantees to Poland, which in turn might have helped make the Poles more obstinate in regards to compromising with Nazi Germany. And while I do agree that, before the war, Ukraine would have been better off giving up Crimea and the Donbass–say, in exchange for NATO membership–that deal wasn’t actually on the table and in any case, countries, including Russia itself, generally don’t like giving up their own territory. Serbia still refuses to give up Kosovo, for instance, Russia has not given up Chechnya, and it took a hell of a lost of lost lives for France to finally give up on both Indochina and Algeria in the 20th century.

  913. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Question: Would it be socialism if the workers own shares in various companies (for instance, in these companies’ stocks) that control the means of production, up to the point of all workers as a whole owning a majority of the shares in these companies?
     
    I think it would be society as a whole, which would mean government ownership. Though the case of some massive enterprise employing 100,000s of people might be a gray area.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Even if it requires ownership by society as a whole (government ownership or at least a company with hundreds of thousands of workers), shouldn’t a basic prerequisite of socialism be democracy? After all, if the government controls the means of production but is completely unaccountable to the people (a one-party state, for instance), then how exactly are the people themselves meaningfully in control of the means of production? In such a scenario, the party elites would become the new capitalist exploiters, no? Except much less humane towards the people whom they exploit than the capitalist exploiters themselves were.

  914. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    It’s just the Chechen was on steroids. Follows the same pattern but on a vast scale.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    You mean Chechen *War* on steroids, I would presume?

    And Yeah, possibly, pretty much, though Ukrainians are much culturally closer to Russians than Chechens are. Though Russians might view suspected Banderists (now pretty much the entire Ukrainian military) similarly to how they view Chechens.

  915. @LatW
    @A123


    What are you looking for?
     
    I have enough tact to not bargain with another people's territory, but let me just leave that in the competence of the Russian Volunteer Corps.

    Replies: @A123, @Ennui

    It isn’t your territory if you expect American taxpayers to fund your military, you bunch of entitled wretches.

  916. @sudden death
    @Mikel


    Military spending is like spending a lot on securing your house from burglars and criminals and having less to spend on leisure, travel and health. With the aggravating factor that many of those criminals wouldn’t even be there threatening you if you hadn’t threatened them before.
     
    Returning to this theme - spending for security in the house in principle is almost indistinguishable from preventive health spending, cause most likely you won't have good health anymore after criminals will visit you, at least for a while, in best case;) Also it's quite naive to think that many criminals are doing criminal things because they're acting in retribution for some real or imaginable threats, cause the basic reason is just greed for getting some material things or even sadistic self satisfaction while acting violently.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ennui

    The people who want to fund the Ukraine also want to go easy on criminals domestically.

  917. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Lvov founded by a Russian
     
    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    Lviv's founder King Daniel was the son of a Byzantine Princess and a Volhynian prince (Roman). Roman's father was a Volhynian prince and his other was Polish.

    Daniel of Galicia accepted a crown from the Pope.

    He was also the last legitimate (pre-Mongol) ruler of Kiev.

    The Russian historian Vernadsky contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia.

    Millions of Poles, natives to Galicia for half a millenium, deported to Stalin-recreated Poland
     
    Sovok civil "engineer" bad at math again.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn't over 2 million by 1939

    And Stalin deported 100,000s of those Poles in Eastern Galicia to Russia or Central Asia in 1939-1941, so there were far fewer left when most of the remaining ones were deported to Poland.

    Millions of Ukrops deported from Poland INTO Ukraine, a ukraine they were not native to, a Galicia they were not native to. Are these blatant colonists
     
    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region. They moved to another part of the same region they were native to. They were no more colonists than Finns moving west from Vyborg to Fin-controlled territories were colonists.

    At least 50k-100k of these Polish ukrops moved into Donbass & Rostov area after 1945. Are these “colonists” too
     
    They certainly were not native to those regions, they were outsiders. I'm not sure that they could be characterized as colonists. Were they sent there to cement Soviet authority in those lands and/or help administer the Soviet administration?

    Masses of Galicians moved to economic, industrial hub of Donbass (and to Russia) during Soviet times, and post 1991. They colonists?
     
    If they moved to Estonia as part of Soviet efforts in order to strengthen and promote Soviet rule there they would be colonists. Otherwise, no.

    Lvov the city- outside of residual amount, Galician Ukrops total outcasts there for centuries
     
    They were consistently about 15%-20% of the population. They owned a palace on the central square:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/10_Market_Square%2C_Lviv_%2810%29.jpg/731px-10_Market_Square%2C_Lviv_%2810%29.jpg?20150908210249

    and their mother Church was a large beautiful building on a hilltop in the city.

    https://find-way.com.ua/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/full_DJI_0594.jpg

    My family had nice lives in Lviv since arriving in the late 19th century/early 20th century.

    Surely they are the blatant Soviet colonists when they moved into Lvov properties?
     
    Someone moving from a village to the regional capital is not a colonist. You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    Galicia, because of khokholisation is the most artificially, ethnically-constructed place on the planet
     
    Galicia and Volhynia are less rootless than any other East Slavic lands, due to having been spared the horrors of Bolshevism and its radical social experiments and cultural destruction from 1918-1945 (1939-1941 were still somewhat lackluster). But unlike Volhynia, Galicia achieved a higher level of development under the benevolent Hapsburgs, with full literacy of students in their own language, mass political participation, etc. Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs, they highlight your own inferiority. Thus your bitterness. Cry more.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    Rus and Russia are the same thing you dumb retard. He was a Russian. What he 100% was not though, was a “Ukrainian”
    What is hilarious is that Ukroreikh “historians” have been trying to change all the people known in Russia and all through the west for centuries ( even an entire millenium) to be described as “of Russia”, or “of Rus’”…..into “of Kiev”,
    Anna of Russia – now retardedly tried to change to “Anna of Kiev” with many others also as that . Proves they too also think of the Rus term being same thing as Russia and are very insecure about it.

    contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia

    Russia…..established diplomatic and economic relations with Britain in 1500s – a long time BEFORE Poland did you moron. Russia was forming business, scientific, military etc relations with the Protestant-nation powers ( the true “west”) in Europe…….as these Protestant nations were moving from the Catholic ones.

    Russia was always doing the best of both aspects – self-developing and looking at best practises of the west. Different to Polish sh*thole which was non-European by comparison. Russia attracting many French Huguenots, British engineers, German scientists, Italian artists etc . Peter the Great with his Dutch influence and travels – a million other examples of this.

    The words “Polish” and “Navy” have been an oxymoron for a millennium……which indicates everything. And I think the French King REJECTED becoming King of Poland – appropriate for a reject state like Poland.
    Clearly, since Protestantism formed, these countries that adopted it became much powerful, more disciplined richer, more prosperous compared, overall, to Catholic ones in Europe.
    As Russia was developing our state and great culture, great Orthodox culture – “Ukraine” was developing zero – khokholism attached to the Polish loser idiot state , a Poland rejected by the French King, Poland aligning itself with the Catholic countries just as catholicism political power declining, Poland giving and producing nothing to the world, soon to be cuckholded by THREE different Empires

    Anyway during this 1200s-1400s period, from what I know, was the genesis of when both Russia and not-separated still from Rome – western people were becoming more negative with the Pope & Roman-church affliated elites, their dictatorship, mass corruption, perceived lack of morality and general culture. In addition in western Europe intellectuals/clergy started forming their own theological arguments and interpretations of Bible/church services leading to Protestantism forming. In summary – not looking to the Holy Roman Empire in those situations is not at all the same as “not looking west”.

    Then I mentioned Anna of Rus you idiot – married French King. Several Russian royalty marrying with other European families

    Zero western monarchs ever heard of any “Ukraine” or “cossack getmanate state” BS. Britain had 3 kings in a year in 11th century that William the Conquerer ( French) won the wars – supposed to be key event in anglo history. The 2 other kings he defeated had either Russian wives, had lived in Russia or son/daughter married to Russian royalty.

    You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    As industrial revolution developed, the population of cities rapidly increased with inflow of villagers. With this the Czech population in Prague and their other cities increased. An entirely natural process.
    Galician inbreds as the Industrial revolution progressed…….remained non-entities in these cities. Effectively banned, deprived of Iodine. Its a braindead comparison to make of the Czech situation with the Ukronazi one. Russian Empire in Riga and Talinn – Russians were 3rd placed nationality in those cities…….but STILL at higher percentage than Ukronazi-caste in Galician cities.

    Czechs didn’t ask the Germans to deport all non-Czechs, or mass murder another ethnicity that was big proportion of the city………as the Banderatards did with Jews. Galicia is the most artificially ethnically engineered freakshow on the planet. It has zero similarity to Prague, Bratislava , Budapest

    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region.

    500000 of them were not from Galicia.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn’t over 2 million by 1939

    But you were just looking at the census data from 1934 the other day you dumbf**k misdirecting sociopath. Easily over 2 million in Lvov, Ternopol and the old name for Ivano-Frankovsk.
    One “peremoga” for excrement as yourself – it was not millions but the still demographically significant 800000 Poles deported from there. Amazing how Poles deportation numbers are less if you mass murder their pensioners, women and children and conspire with those Nazi’s mass murdering Poles on battlefield and in camps ( and even as they are nearly murdering to extinction “Ukrainians” who Galiciantards supposed to consider as their own)

    The last paragraph has too many idiotic claims at the same time to bother replying to.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Gerard1234


    Zero western monarchs ever heard of any “Ukraine” or “cossack getmanate state”
     
    French King Louis XIV's cartographer was certainly aware of Ukraine in the late 1600s:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-claims-map-proves-ukraine-not-real-despite-saying-ukraine-2023-5

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Rus and Russia are the same thing
     
    I'll repeat myself:

    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    He was a Russian
     
    He as as much of a Russian as Julius Caesar was a Romanian.

    Then I mentioned Anna of Rus you idiot – married French King
     
    Of course. Because she was not a Russian.

    Anna was the daughter of two Scandinavians who ruled Rus.

    You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    As industrial revolution developed, the population of cities rapidly increased with inflow of villagers
     
    When Lviv was industrialized under the Soviets (all of those factories were built) , the Ukrainian villagers moved in and the city became majority-Ukrainian.

    Czechs didn’t ask the Germans to deport all non-Czechs
     
    Czechs never expelled Germans from Czechoslovakia?

    Galicia is the most artificially ethnically engineered freakshow on the planet.
     
    The Ukrainians there are the most rooted of the East Slavs.

    As a territory - Silesia and Sudetenland were far more changed. Andf Gdansk. And Kalinigrad most of all. Before the war, Galicia was over 60% Ukrainian and this core population remained, even though the Jews and Poles were killed and expelled.

    Of course they [people moving to Soviet Galicia after World War II] were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region.

    500000 of them were not from Galicia.
     
    Where do you find this number?

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn’t over 2 million by 1939

    But you were just looking at the census data from 1934..Easily over 2 million in Lvov, Ternopol and the old name for Ivano-Frankovsk.
     
    It was 1931, and the Polish government included a lot of places that were not East Galicia into Lwow province in order to make sure that Lwow province would have a Polish majority.

    In the 1931 census there were about 580,0o0 Poles in Tarnopol, 245,000 in Stanislawow provinces (Ivano-Frankivsk), and 1.2 million in Lwow province, plus 157,000 in Lwow city (Roman Catholic population - I am not including Polish-speaking Jews and Ukrainians).

    However Lwow province included territories that weren't part of Eastern Galicia. So there was fewer than 2 million Poles in East Galicia in 1931.

    it was not millions but the still demographically significant 800000 Poles deported from there
     
    Not even 1 million, yet you claimed "millions."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  918. @AP
    @QCIC


    Your logic is backwards. Greater losses validate the seriousness of the Western threat which leads to increased support for fighting.
     
    Except support has declined.

    You are so lost in your compulsion to be contrarian at all costs that most of your thinking is backwards. You have IIRC claimed that the more Ukrainians get killed, the more pro-Russian Ukraine will become (your "reasoning" was that the anti-Russian Ukrainians will be killed off, leaving only pro-Russian ones left). By that logic, surviving Poles ought to have been really pro-German after World War II, and surviving Jews the most pro-German people on the planet. The more Russia attacks, the more it is under attack. Etc.

    It's a demonstration of the essential foolishness of contrariness.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I consider XYZ a troll so my responses to his comments may be contrarian. For most other commenters, I try to pose alternatives for consideration which are not intentionally contrarian.

    To expand on my earlier point you mentioned, I was trying to say that I believe there is a limited number of Ukrainians willing to take up arms in this situation. These guys are mostly highly polarized against Russia. As they are killed off in the fighting, the number of Ukrainians who are angry at Russia may stay the same or increase slightly as you suggest. But the pool of violent young men who will become dangerous guerrillas after the SMO is gradually reduced. These are the people that any “peacekeeping force” must deal with. My suggestion could be mistaken and perhaps for each fighter killed, two more are created. The weaker party in a conflict often hopes this will occur, but I think it is rare. It took a long time to build up and train the large force Ukraine needed at the beginning of the SMO. The press ganging and other radical conscription measures in the past year suggest there are not many new fighters to be found.

    When and if it becomes unsafe for Ukrainian SBU teams to attempt to press gang new conscripts a turning point will be near.

  919. Excellent discussion with Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson:

    Ukraine is the excuse to give the US MIC money – some of which gets kicked back to some politicians and retired military officers ,who shill for that corrupt fat cat enterprise.

  920. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    He's just a different flavor of Western pro-Russian fool/tool.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, if you’re curious, Philippe Lemoine believes that both Russia and Ukraine could have become a part of the West by now had different decisions been made back in the 1990s, such as creating an inclusive European security architecture (one that includes Russia as well), providing much more macroeconomic aid to Russia back when Yegor Gaidar’s government was still in charge of financial policy there, and presumably NATO not bombing Serbia/Yugoslavia back in 1999 as well.

  921. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.
     
    Rus and Russia are the same thing you dumb retard. He was a Russian. What he 100% was not though, was a "Ukrainian"
    What is hilarious is that Ukroreikh "historians" have been trying to change all the people known in Russia and all through the west for centuries ( even an entire millenium) to be described as "of Russia", or "of Rus'".....into "of Kiev",
    Anna of Russia - now retardedly tried to change to "Anna of Kiev" with many others also as that . Proves they too also think of the Rus term being same thing as Russia and are very insecure about it.

    contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia
     
    Russia.....established diplomatic and economic relations with Britain in 1500s - a long time BEFORE Poland did you moron. Russia was forming business, scientific, military etc relations with the Protestant-nation powers ( the true "west") in Europe.......as these Protestant nations were moving from the Catholic ones.


    Russia was always doing the best of both aspects - self-developing and looking at best practises of the west. Different to Polish sh*thole which was non-European by comparison. Russia attracting many French Huguenots, British engineers, German scientists, Italian artists etc . Peter the Great with his Dutch influence and travels - a million other examples of this.

    The words "Polish" and "Navy" have been an oxymoron for a millennium......which indicates everything. And I think the French King REJECTED becoming King of Poland - appropriate for a reject state like Poland.
    Clearly, since Protestantism formed, these countries that adopted it became much powerful, more disciplined richer, more prosperous compared, overall, to Catholic ones in Europe.
    As Russia was developing our state and great culture, great Orthodox culture - "Ukraine" was developing zero - khokholism attached to the Polish loser idiot state , a Poland rejected by the French King, Poland aligning itself with the Catholic countries just as catholicism political power declining, Poland giving and producing nothing to the world, soon to be cuckholded by THREE different Empires

    Anyway during this 1200s-1400s period, from what I know, was the genesis of when both Russia and not-separated still from Rome - western people were becoming more negative with the Pope & Roman-church affliated elites, their dictatorship, mass corruption, perceived lack of morality and general culture. In addition in western Europe intellectuals/clergy started forming their own theological arguments and interpretations of Bible/church services leading to Protestantism forming. In summary - not looking to the Holy Roman Empire in those situations is not at all the same as "not looking west".

    Then I mentioned Anna of Rus you idiot - married French King. Several Russian royalty marrying with other European families

    Zero western monarchs ever heard of any "Ukraine" or "cossack getmanate state" BS. Britain had 3 kings in a year in 11th century that William the Conquerer ( French) won the wars - supposed to be key event in anglo history. The 2 other kings he defeated had either Russian wives, had lived in Russia or son/daughter married to Russian royalty.

    You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?
     
    As industrial revolution developed, the population of cities rapidly increased with inflow of villagers. With this the Czech population in Prague and their other cities increased. An entirely natural process.
    Galician inbreds as the Industrial revolution progressed.......remained non-entities in these cities. Effectively banned, deprived of Iodine. Its a braindead comparison to make of the Czech situation with the Ukronazi one. Russian Empire in Riga and Talinn - Russians were 3rd placed nationality in those cities.......but STILL at higher percentage than Ukronazi-caste in Galician cities.

    Czechs didn't ask the Germans to deport all non-Czechs, or mass murder another ethnicity that was big proportion of the city.........as the Banderatards did with Jews. Galicia is the most artificially ethnically engineered freakshow on the planet. It has zero similarity to Prague, Bratislava , Budapest

    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region.
     
    500000 of them were not from Galicia.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn’t over 2 million by 1939
     
    But you were just looking at the census data from 1934 the other day you dumbf**k misdirecting sociopath. Easily over 2 million in Lvov, Ternopol and the old name for Ivano-Frankovsk.
    One "peremoga" for excrement as yourself - it was not millions but the still demographically significant 800000 Poles deported from there. Amazing how Poles deportation numbers are less if you mass murder their pensioners, women and children and conspire with those Nazi's mass murdering Poles on battlefield and in camps ( and even as they are nearly murdering to extinction "Ukrainians" who Galiciantards supposed to consider as their own)

    The last paragraph has too many idiotic claims at the same time to bother replying to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Zero western monarchs ever heard of any “Ukraine” or “cossack getmanate state”

    French King Louis XIV’s cartographer was certainly aware of Ukraine in the late 1600s:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-claims-map-proves-ukraine-not-real-despite-saying-ukraine-2023-5

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. XYZ

    This the map referring to it as geographical entity and NOT state?

    Maybe the one saying 2 ukraine (both non-state), of the Don & Zaporizhian cossacks? Will not waste my finger muscle energy by clicking at the link

  922. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    The difference is that Russia targets military and power-generating installations, as well as routes and stations used for military logistics, while Ukies target areas of zero military value where only civilians are present. It was the same in Donetsk since 2014 and in Belgorod in 2023 and 2024.
     
    And Ukrainians will claim the exact same thing. And both claims are not true, otherwise there would be many more civilian casualties as a result of such attacks. If Ukrainians wanted to deliberately kill as many civilians as possible they would just mass bomb apartment blocks in the middle of the night, like the Americans did over Germans and Japanese cities during World War II. And vice versa.

    As I said, the only difference is that this is a war that Russia chose and started, which makes all accidental civilian deaths by both sides Russia's fault. Ukraine wouldn't be trying to hit Russian military positions and objects in Belgorod if Russia hadn't attacked Ukraine and bombed Kharkiv from Belgorod.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    If Ukrainians wanted to deliberately kill as many civilians as possible they would just mass bomb apartment blocks in the middle of the night, like the Americans did over Germans and Japanese cities during World War II.

    Was the point of this bombing simply to terrify the Germans and Japanese into destabilizing things at home and thus hopefully having WWII end sooner? Or was there something deeper behind this bombing?

    I would presume that strategic bombing wouldn’t need to bomb to many civilian areas, right?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Killing of the German and Japanese civilians was rationalized on the basis that civilian workers produce war material. It may also be easier to kill random civilians than it is to destroy heavily defended or hardened industrial targets.

    The kill, kill, kill mentally is created by civilian propaganda, military indoctrination and peer pressure. Most of the US aircrew had suffered no harm from any German civilians or military so there were few personal scores to settle. This was before the Holocaust propaganda campaign, which had nothing to do with Japan. The boss said kill and the soldiers killed.

  923. @Mr. XYZ
    @Gerard1234


    Zero western monarchs ever heard of any “Ukraine” or “cossack getmanate state”
     
    French King Louis XIV's cartographer was certainly aware of Ukraine in the late 1600s:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-claims-map-proves-ukraine-not-real-despite-saying-ukraine-2023-5

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    This the map referring to it as geographical entity and NOT state?

    Maybe the one saying 2 ukraine (both non-state), of the Don & Zaporizhian cossacks? Will not waste my finger muscle energy by clicking at the link

  924. Russians in Avdeyevka. Locals, middle-aged, welcoming their arrival in the damaged town, not as damaged as I would have expected.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wielgus

    It looks wonderful. Sign me up for one of those prefabricated "luxury condos" that Beckow is known for building. Can't wait to visit the dozens of new Chinese restaurants in town too (Ukie fo0d gets a little boring after a while).

  925. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    If Ukrainians wanted to deliberately kill as many civilians as possible they would just mass bomb apartment blocks in the middle of the night, like the Americans did over Germans and Japanese cities during World War II.
     
    Was the point of this bombing simply to terrify the Germans and Japanese into destabilizing things at home and thus hopefully having WWII end sooner? Or was there something deeper behind this bombing?

    I would presume that strategic bombing wouldn't need to bomb to many civilian areas, right?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Killing of the German and Japanese civilians was rationalized on the basis that civilian workers produce war material. It may also be easier to kill random civilians than it is to destroy heavily defended or hardened industrial targets.

    The kill, kill, kill mentally is created by civilian propaganda, military indoctrination and peer pressure. Most of the US aircrew had suffered no harm from any German civilians or military so there were few personal scores to settle. This was before the Holocaust propaganda campaign, which had nothing to do with Japan. The boss said kill and the soldiers killed.

  926. @Wielgus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALs-X-8fzVQ

    Russians in Avdeyevka. Locals, middle-aged, welcoming their arrival in the damaged town, not as damaged as I would have expected.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It looks wonderful. Sign me up for one of those prefabricated “luxury condos” that Beckow is known for building. Can’t wait to visit the dozens of new Chinese restaurants in town too (Ukie fo0d gets a little boring after a while).

  927. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    They owned a palace on the central square:
     
    LMFAO, Lubomirsky a "Palace" - it just shows what a stereotypical dumb American you are to write unironically about this as "palace" to give impression of grandeur !! Lubomirsky "Palace" ? It's as much a palace as Mr Hack's garage
    There are bars I have been in that that are bigger and have better grandeur levels. Zero Europeans would consider classifying that building as a palace you idiot. I have been there ( different to you of course), nice building.....completely forgettable.
    If you to actually fulfil your fantasy of going to Europe one day - the Tsygan/Roma types will be salivating at potential scamming scum as yourself if you ever ask for assistance, or if they drive you in taxi if you are thinking that's a european palace.

    and their mother Church was a large beautiful building on a hilltop in the city.
     
    You realise you stupid fantasist prick that with this good church, the "palace" and an embarrassingly small number of other things......just how much more of a loser this shows yourself as ? Even Riga in Nazi Latvia has exponentially larger Russian heritage in old city than Banderites have in Lvov, Ternopol etc.

    Replies: @AP

    They owned a palace on the central square:

    LMFAO, Lubomirsky a “Palace” – it just shows what a stereotypical dumb American you are to write unironically about this as “palace” to give impression of grandeur !! Lubomirsky “Palace” ? It’s as much a palace as Mr Hack’s garage

    It was good enough for prince Lubomirsky and for the Austrian governors, but not so great for a Sovok civil “engineer” who sweeps floors in some crappy town in northern England, who probably grew up in a Khrushchovka.

    You are funny sometimes, at least, I’ll give you that.

  928. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.
     
    Rus and Russia are the same thing you dumb retard. He was a Russian. What he 100% was not though, was a "Ukrainian"
    What is hilarious is that Ukroreikh "historians" have been trying to change all the people known in Russia and all through the west for centuries ( even an entire millenium) to be described as "of Russia", or "of Rus'".....into "of Kiev",
    Anna of Russia - now retardedly tried to change to "Anna of Kiev" with many others also as that . Proves they too also think of the Rus term being same thing as Russia and are very insecure about it.

    contrasted the Western sympathies and mutual cooperation of Daniel with the hostility towards the West of Russian rulers of the time. It is the contrast of modern Ukraine with Russia
     
    Russia.....established diplomatic and economic relations with Britain in 1500s - a long time BEFORE Poland did you moron. Russia was forming business, scientific, military etc relations with the Protestant-nation powers ( the true "west") in Europe.......as these Protestant nations were moving from the Catholic ones.


    Russia was always doing the best of both aspects - self-developing and looking at best practises of the west. Different to Polish sh*thole which was non-European by comparison. Russia attracting many French Huguenots, British engineers, German scientists, Italian artists etc . Peter the Great with his Dutch influence and travels - a million other examples of this.

    The words "Polish" and "Navy" have been an oxymoron for a millennium......which indicates everything. And I think the French King REJECTED becoming King of Poland - appropriate for a reject state like Poland.
    Clearly, since Protestantism formed, these countries that adopted it became much powerful, more disciplined richer, more prosperous compared, overall, to Catholic ones in Europe.
    As Russia was developing our state and great culture, great Orthodox culture - "Ukraine" was developing zero - khokholism attached to the Polish loser idiot state , a Poland rejected by the French King, Poland aligning itself with the Catholic countries just as catholicism political power declining, Poland giving and producing nothing to the world, soon to be cuckholded by THREE different Empires

    Anyway during this 1200s-1400s period, from what I know, was the genesis of when both Russia and not-separated still from Rome - western people were becoming more negative with the Pope & Roman-church affliated elites, their dictatorship, mass corruption, perceived lack of morality and general culture. In addition in western Europe intellectuals/clergy started forming their own theological arguments and interpretations of Bible/church services leading to Protestantism forming. In summary - not looking to the Holy Roman Empire in those situations is not at all the same as "not looking west".

    Then I mentioned Anna of Rus you idiot - married French King. Several Russian royalty marrying with other European families

    Zero western monarchs ever heard of any "Ukraine" or "cossack getmanate state" BS. Britain had 3 kings in a year in 11th century that William the Conquerer ( French) won the wars - supposed to be key event in anglo history. The 2 other kings he defeated had either Russian wives, had lived in Russia or son/daughter married to Russian royalty.

    You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?
     
    As industrial revolution developed, the population of cities rapidly increased with inflow of villagers. With this the Czech population in Prague and their other cities increased. An entirely natural process.
    Galician inbreds as the Industrial revolution progressed.......remained non-entities in these cities. Effectively banned, deprived of Iodine. Its a braindead comparison to make of the Czech situation with the Ukronazi one. Russian Empire in Riga and Talinn - Russians were 3rd placed nationality in those cities.......but STILL at higher percentage than Ukronazi-caste in Galician cities.

    Czechs didn't ask the Germans to deport all non-Czechs, or mass murder another ethnicity that was big proportion of the city.........as the Banderatards did with Jews. Galicia is the most artificially ethnically engineered freakshow on the planet. It has zero similarity to Prague, Bratislava , Budapest

    Of course they were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region.
     
    500000 of them were not from Galicia.

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn’t over 2 million by 1939
     
    But you were just looking at the census data from 1934 the other day you dumbf**k misdirecting sociopath. Easily over 2 million in Lvov, Ternopol and the old name for Ivano-Frankovsk.
    One "peremoga" for excrement as yourself - it was not millions but the still demographically significant 800000 Poles deported from there. Amazing how Poles deportation numbers are less if you mass murder their pensioners, women and children and conspire with those Nazi's mass murdering Poles on battlefield and in camps ( and even as they are nearly murdering to extinction "Ukrainians" who Galiciantards supposed to consider as their own)

    The last paragraph has too many idiotic claims at the same time to bother replying to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Rus and Russia are the same thing

    I’ll repeat myself:

    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    He was a Russian

    He as as much of a Russian as Julius Caesar was a Romanian.

    Then I mentioned Anna of Rus you idiot – married French King

    Of course. Because she was not a Russian.

    Anna was the daughter of two Scandinavians who ruled Rus.

    You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    As industrial revolution developed, the population of cities rapidly increased with inflow of villagers

    When Lviv was industrialized under the Soviets (all of those factories were built) , the Ukrainian villagers moved in and the city became majority-Ukrainian.

    Czechs didn’t ask the Germans to deport all non-Czechs

    Czechs never expelled Germans from Czechoslovakia?

    Galicia is the most artificially ethnically engineered freakshow on the planet.

    The Ukrainians there are the most rooted of the East Slavs.

    As a territory – Silesia and Sudetenland were far more changed. Andf Gdansk. And Kalinigrad most of all. Before the war, Galicia was over 60% Ukrainian and this core population remained, even though the Jews and Poles were killed and expelled.

    Of course they [people moving to Soviet Galicia after World War II] were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region.

    500000 of them were not from Galicia.

    Where do you find this number?

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn’t over 2 million by 1939

    But you were just looking at the census data from 1934..Easily over 2 million in Lvov, Ternopol and the old name for Ivano-Frankovsk.

    It was 1931, and the Polish government included a lot of places that were not East Galicia into Lwow province in order to make sure that Lwow province would have a Polish majority.

    In the 1931 census there were about 580,0o0 Poles in Tarnopol, 245,000 in Stanislawow provinces (Ivano-Frankivsk), and 1.2 million in Lwow province, plus 157,000 in Lwow city (Roman Catholic population – I am not including Polish-speaking Jews and Ukrainians).

    However Lwow province included territories that weren’t part of Eastern Galicia. So there was fewer than 2 million Poles in East Galicia in 1931.

    it was not millions but the still demographically significant 800000 Poles deported from there

    Not even 1 million, yet you claimed “millions.”

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    @AP


    Anna was the daughter of two Scandinavians who ruled Rus.

     

    Comparable to a present-day Ukrainian citizen of Scandinavian descent?
  929. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Rus and Russia are the same thing
     
    I'll repeat myself:

    Thanks for confirming that you are too dumb to know the difference between Rus and Russia.

    He was a Russian
     
    He as as much of a Russian as Julius Caesar was a Romanian.

    Then I mentioned Anna of Rus you idiot – married French King
     
    Of course. Because she was not a Russian.

    Anna was the daughter of two Scandinavians who ruled Rus.

    You think the ethnic Czechs in once-German-inhabited Prague are colonists? Finns in Helsinki?

    As industrial revolution developed, the population of cities rapidly increased with inflow of villagers
     
    When Lviv was industrialized under the Soviets (all of those factories were built) , the Ukrainian villagers moved in and the city became majority-Ukrainian.

    Czechs didn’t ask the Germans to deport all non-Czechs
     
    Czechs never expelled Germans from Czechoslovakia?

    Galicia is the most artificially ethnically engineered freakshow on the planet.
     
    The Ukrainians there are the most rooted of the East Slavs.

    As a territory - Silesia and Sudetenland were far more changed. Andf Gdansk. And Kalinigrad most of all. Before the war, Galicia was over 60% Ukrainian and this core population remained, even though the Jews and Poles were killed and expelled.

    Of course they [people moving to Soviet Galicia after World War II] were native to Galicia. Galicia extended west of the new border. They were not native to the specific towns they were deported to, but they were native to the region.

    500000 of them were not from Galicia.
     
    Where do you find this number?

    There were 1.3 million ethnic Poles in Eastern Galicia in 1910, it wasn’t over 2 million by 1939

    But you were just looking at the census data from 1934..Easily over 2 million in Lvov, Ternopol and the old name for Ivano-Frankovsk.
     
    It was 1931, and the Polish government included a lot of places that were not East Galicia into Lwow province in order to make sure that Lwow province would have a Polish majority.

    In the 1931 census there were about 580,0o0 Poles in Tarnopol, 245,000 in Stanislawow provinces (Ivano-Frankivsk), and 1.2 million in Lwow province, plus 157,000 in Lwow city (Roman Catholic population - I am not including Polish-speaking Jews and Ukrainians).

    However Lwow province included territories that weren't part of Eastern Galicia. So there was fewer than 2 million Poles in East Galicia in 1931.

    it was not millions but the still demographically significant 800000 Poles deported from there
     
    Not even 1 million, yet you claimed "millions."

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    Anna was the daughter of two Scandinavians who ruled Rus.

    Comparable to a present-day Ukrainian citizen of Scandinavian descent?

  930. @AP
    @LatW

    He was upset by the 16,000 Russians killed in Avdiivka (according to him, who was there). Our former host thinks his suicide is real, the note isn't faked.

    Morozov is one of the people who helped start this war, back in 2014. 100,000s of dead Slavs because of people like him. At least, it seems, he had come to realize what he had done.

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    Morozov is one of the people who helped start this war, back in 2014. 100,000s of dead Slavs because of people like him. At least, it seems, he had come to realize what he had done.

    Putin appears to be the biggest Slav-killer since Hitler, if one looks at persons and not at, say, alcoholism or drugs. That’s quite an achievement.

  931. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Like Julian Assange getting locked up and American journos banned from writing for a certain venue (Strategic Culture Foundation).

    Lira's father petitioned for the State Dept top act on his son's behalf. Biden bragged about how he earlier got the Kiev regime to fire the prosecutor. No such activism for Lira. Purely political.

    Navalny flaunted the law as evidenced by the Yves Rocher matter and his blatantly violating the permit requirement for holding demos. His jackass manner in court didn't help him as well.

    His case got plenty of coverage which included his smug jackass manner towards the prosecution and judge. Technically, this was behind "closed doors", seeing that the doors of the court weren't open.

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    Like Julian Assange getting locked up and American journos banned from writing for a certain venue (Strategic Culture Foundation).

    Julian Assange was not locked up for being a journalist. He was wanted for dumping classified military data on to the internet with the help of a trannie traitor. There is no right to dumping classified information and that is a crime in the US. Julian and the trannie didn’t even know what they were releasing. They just dumped tons of data for other people to look through. You can get people killed by doing that. It’s illegal for good reason.

    Lira’s father petitioned for the State Dept top act on his son’s behalf.

    Why didn’t Lira contact that the State Department on his own and why did he write his sister and not his wife? Why didn’t he elaborate on his condition?

    There are too many mysteries with the Lira case.

    He did not leave the world with some type of damning article against Ukraine or the US.

    Go ahead and post it if you think it exists. I asked his fans in the Lira thread and they produced nothing. What exactly was so subversive? He did youtube interviews while chain smoking and rambled about the US and Ukraine.

    He in fact scrubbed a bunch of his terrible dating advice videos. The guy wanted the image of the subversive journalist without actually doing anything.

    But by all means prove me wrong and show me some type of work that would get him killed.

    Most likely explanation is that he had a terminal disease from chain smoking and wanted to go out as a martyr. His fans fell for the act but I’m not buying it.

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