https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Pivdenmash

Missiles produced at Pivdenmash included the first nuclear armed Soviet rocket R-5M (SS-3 ‘Shyster’), the R-12 Dvina (SS-4 ‘Sandal’), the R-14 Chusovaya (SS-5 ‘Skean’), the first widely deployed Soviet ICBM R-16 (SS-7 ‘Saddler’), the R-36 (SS-9 ‘Scarp’), the MR-UR-100 Sotka (SS-17 ‘Spanker’), and the R-36M (SS-18 ‘Satan’). During the Soviet era, the plant was capable of producing of up to 120 ICBMs a year. In the late 1980s, Pivdenmash was selected to be the main production facility of the RT-2PM2 Topol-M ICBM (SS-27 “Sickle B”).

Space launch vehicles
Kosmos[citation needed]
Dnepr
Tsyklon (based on R-36/8K67)[citation needed]
Tsyklon-2
Tsyklon-3
Tsyklon-4
Cyclone-4M
Zenit
Boosters for Energia (based on Zenit first stage)[citation needed]
Rocket engines
RD-843

What a pity.

https://t.me/llordofwar/190602

More indictments for Trump, I say “no I won’t have it! Not enough is been done! Surely the local dog catcher has to look at his statutes to see if Trump is guilty of something!”

The circus continues.

Then Trump should be found innocent if he is genuinely not guilty of anything, no? Or do you expect the trial to be rigged against him?

I’ve got a question for AP: What does he think would have happened to Serbia had A-H been allowed to conquer it back in 1914? Would it have become an A-H puppet state or would it have been directly annexed to A-H? And in the latter scenario, could Serbs have eventually pushed for the creation of a separate Yugoslav federal unit within A-H?

FWIW, Franz Ferdinand, back when he was alive, was against an A-H conquest of Serbia, even ignoring the risk of war with Russia that this would result in, due to the fact that an A-H conquest of Serbia would only bring A-H “goat pastures, plum trees, and a bunch of rebellious killers”.

It’s quite interesting: Gavrilo Princip’s methods were extremely repulsive (though probably no worse than what Ukrainians themselves would have done had Russia actually succeeded in conquering their entire country), but he was motivated by the idea that Serbia could do for the South Slavs and pseudo-Slavs that Piedmont-Sardinia previously managed to do for Italy. His logic wasn’t actually wrong (Yugoslavia was created, in fact, though it ultimately collapsed and broke up over 70 years later), but the cost was probably much higher than he and his co-conspirators ever expected (WWI and everything that it subsequently resulted in and led to). With the benefit of hindsight, a Yugoslav solution within A-H would have sounded like a much less bloody solution, no? As a start, Serbia + Bosnia + Dalmatia could have been made their own separate combined federal unit within A-H.

BTW, AP, what do you think about Frederick the Great? Do you resent him for taking Silesia away from Austria and for paving the way for Prussia’s rise and subsequent eclipse of Austria?

A growing strategic consensus gaining influence inside Washington suggests that Russian President Vladimir Putin is stepping up the pressure on the US in Syria in a bid to force American troops out of the country. And some US military experts are blaming the Biden administration for being too timid to confront the Russians.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2354606

Russian Air Force has frequently flown over small US bases scattered in Syria. They will help Iranian proxies attack the small and isolated US bases in Syria. It opens up supply lines to Hezbollah from Iran.

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran’s crude oil shipments to China have tripled over the past three years, up from 324,000 barrels per day in 2020 to approximately one million this year despite US sanctions targeting the Iranian oil exports, data analytics firm Kepler reported.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2023/07/31/2933740/iran-s-oil-exports-to-china-triple-since-2020-report

China in 2023 is massively buying Iranian oil, stabilizing the financial situation in Iran.

US bombs unlikely to reach underground Iran nuclear site: Report

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/22/us-bombs-unlikely-to-reach-underground-iran-nuclear-site-report

Iran is strategically using better funding to restore economy and build a nuclear site so deep it can’t be bombed by the US Air Force.

The neocons have done it. Iran has so many advantage factors, it’s going to win the war against Israel. Neocons decided it was a bright idea for the US to take on many countries at once Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea (which will go to war against Japan if Japan chooses to help the US in a war against China), and it gave victory to Iran.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription

At the last military checkpoint before he exited Ukraine in April, a 39-year-old man from Odesa handed over papers showing he had a serious spinal injury, thus exempting him from military service and from the ban on adult men leaving the country.

“One of the soldiers said, ‘That hospital really likes this diagnosis, huh?’” recalled the man. “I could see they knew exactly what was going on, and it wasn’t the first time. But they were powerless to do anything, so waved me through,” he said.

The man, who asked for anonymity to discuss the matter, admitted that he had paid a $5,000 bribe to escape a potential draft into the Ukrainian army and service on the front lines in the war with Russia.

“I knew there was no way I would be able to sit in a trench, so I took my savings and contacted a ‘fixer’. Everyone knows where to find them. I paid in cash, they sent me to a hospital to do a spinal MRI; the hospital gave me a medical report claiming I had a major spinal defect, and with that I could get papers allowing me to leave the country. I had the feeling that, at every stage of the way, people knew what was happening and were getting a cut,” said the man.

The whole process took two weeks; the man was able to leave Ukraine and now lives elsewhere in Europe.

In the first weeks after the invasion, hundreds of thousands of ordinary Ukrainians volunteered to serve at the front in an explosion of patriotism that helped keep the country independent and fight off the initial attack.

More than a year later, however, many of those initial recruits are now dead, wounded or simply exhausted, and the army needs new recruits to fill the ranks.

Why exactly is Syria a vital US interest?

They will hate him for ever because there is no law against saying

when you are a tv star women will let you just grab them by the pussy.

Ugly bitches will make it against the law for hot women to let themselves be grabbed by the pussy one of these days.

Iran is the embodiment of Satan on Earth. The horror of Khamenei is everyone’s problem. The Nasrallah-shima blast turned Lebanon into a failed state. It is in America’s vital interest to protect the Syrian people from a similar fate.

All of the parties pushing regime change in Syria gave that up years ago. There is a way forward. Syria must become 100% free of Iran and its evil proxies like Hezbollah. That would allow America and Türkiye to exit and for the people of Syria to live free.

Allowing Syria to fall into Darkness is Unthinkable.

PEACE 😇

The indictment circus just makes Trump stronger. The charges are so laughable the Deep State is being embarrassed by their prosecutorial minions. (1)

 
It’s not the Democrats and totalitarian leftists that are going to go bananas…. It’s the Republican Party apparatus, fraught with fear that their constructs are about to be revealed, who we will see going on the attack.

Corrupt Republicans are far more vicious than ordinary corrupt leftists and communists. The corrupt Republicans have far more to lose. Watch what happens.

Winning is now essential. The only way to permanently shut down this madness is the power to pardon. Trump will issue thousands, possibly millions, of writs ending legalistic malfeasance.

PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/15/president-trump-announces-august-21-press-conference-to-outline-georgia-election-fraud/

Donald Trump is now 77 years old. His heart is ticking and his brain gears are still grinding only because of alcohol and tobacco abstention. This is a delay of the inevitable.

His time is over. You are wasting your energy typing this shit. Ialdaboth is undefeated.

Telling the TRUTH is never a waste of time.

Trump is more than healthy enough to serve put in a complete 2nd term. And, he is the only MAGA candidate in the race.

PEACE 😇

Do you think that Jabhat al-Nusra rule in Syria would be better than Iranian/Hezbollah proxy rule in Syria? I don’t like the wizards in charge of Iran, but I’d certainly prefer them to radical Sunni Islamists any day of the week.

Trump is a MIGA Chud, not a MAGA Chad.

Why are you strawmanning? The choices are:

• Russia sponsored Assad governance
• Iranian failed state

Is it not obvious that Assad is the better choice? Why do you prefer a failed state versus returning to the status quo ante in Syria?

PEACE 😇

Why are you so obsessed with low-IQ #NeverTrump degeneracy? Is it because you know that you precious Not-The-President Biden can never achieve this?

#LetsGoBrandon 😇

What do you think the odds are of a reinstatement of the draft?

New 1420 video on how 82% of people polled globally don’t like Russia or Putin:

He actually comes across a Marxist.

You know I didn’t see how Trump could win with a stack of pending felonies and abysmal support from independents but that video of him as a fictional sci-fi character really changes everything.

I mean it has a parade.

A parade.

This is what happens when you put your faith in someone who has millions and yet chose to go on a wrestling show:

It’s not one or two documents.

Disney makes things worse.

PEACE 😇

Will Iran not have any leverage in an Assad-ruled Syria? Especially considering that Iran also helped Assad remain in power?

So who do you support for the GOP primaries (assuming you’re not voting Dem)? Right now I’d go for DeSantis but your answer may make me reconsider it.

Do not underestimate the animosity between Alawites and Persian Shia. Sociopath Khamenei will have near nonexistent influence once other forces are excluded from Syria. Assad sees that Iranian zealotry turned Lebanon into a failed state.

The much better question(s) — Will Putin have substantial authority in a Syrian client state? Especially considering that Russia has a major military presence at Tartus?

PEACE 😇

So who do you support for the GOP primaries (assuming you’re not voting Dem)? Right now I’d go for DeSantis but your answer may make me reconsider it.

Not a DeSantis fan but he has better odds than Trump.

No reason to choose anyone this early since if Trump drops out a lot more candidates will appear. DeSantis does fine as a Florida governor but I don’t think his style will work at a national level. He has a tendency to run his mouth and offend huge groups of people but without Trump’s charisma. Even worse is that Trump’s fans hate him and could spite vote the final race.

Are you actually a naturalized citizen that can vote or do you just sort of cheer for a candidate?

Thanks. I suspected you’d favor DeSantis too. He seems to be turning into the Establishment Republicans’ candidate, which is a bad turn of events. But still I think he’d accomplish more than Trump on the key issues of the MAGA 16 agenda. I’ll be voting in the primaries (most likely against Trump) and presidential elections thanks to anti-immigrant Trump himself lol.

Russia is such a trustworthy and devoted ally to China that most Russians think すし sushi and ありがとう Arigatō is Chinese

Thanks. I suspected you’d favor DeSantis too.

Well technically over Trump but only in a two man race where I have no other choice.

I’m really not convinced he is a good national candidate. I just stated that he has better odds than Trump. It’s more of a Vegas line opinion from someone that wants Biden out.

I’d rather see a dark horse candidate appear that can really pull independents and moderate Democrats.

He seems to be turning into the Establishment Republicans’ candidate, which is a bad turn of events.

He was but his numbers dropped recently. DeSantis can really put his foot in his mouth and there is lot of time for him to do it.

I’ll be voting in the primaries (most likely against Trump) and presidential elections thanks to anti-immigrant Trump himself lol.

I’ll be happy if Biden is out and the nightmare scenario of Harris doesn’t happen. I don’t think the Democrat establishment wants Biden to run but they aren’t churning out the op-eds at this stage. I think they would prefer a diversity candidate that doesn’t have potential corruption charges. Biden isn’t medically sound for president. I think a lot of Democrats are quietly aware of this.

The naked weaponisation of the legal system to imprison Trump and delegitimise opposition to the regime means he is, for all his faults, the only choice now as it is a kind of crossing of the Rubicon/Jose Calvo Sotelo moment. Either a stand is taken, even a short term losing stand that destroys the national GOP & Con Inc., or they should get out of politics and adjust to life in a kind of racial/trans version of the Soviet Union the same way anti-communists were forced to keep their heads down in communist countries. In a way that would, in the long term, starve the system of some of its legitimacy whereas having the usual GOP conservative grifters winning the WH would maintain legitimacy without changing anything. (Seeing the Republican voter base turn against the military & empire in real time shows that there are benefits to having leftists visibly in control).

If the old USA is to die part of me wants it to happen fast and hard with “moderates” (lol) of both the Democrat & boomercon varieties getting their noses rubbed in it before they die. Of course, I don’t live there so easy for me to say.

Either a stand is taken, even a short term losing stand that destroys the national GOP & Con Inc., or they should get out of politics

I’m not unsympathetic to that position. This barrage of grotesque indictments while Hunter Biden is offered a joke of a deal is having the same effect on me as the Cirillo nomination as speaker of the Ukrainian military. Against your rational judgement these people make you feel like voting for a flawed candidate like Trump and I may just do that in the end. But I do have to live here and I wish someone effectively stopped the southern border madness and took a serious stand against the woke corporations and the gender crazies. DeSantis’ verifiable record shows that he would do a better job than Trump. I don’t expect much from him on the foreign wars front but Trump was pretty catastrophic on that too.

Most Germans do not trust the state – poll
https://www.rt.com/news/581329-most-germans-not-trust-state/

A reality that can’t be hidden –

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription

Japan needs Russia more than Russia needs Japan. Russia has the alternate energy reserves to the Middle East, and the potential power to balance China.

The nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is honestly one of the single most effectively altruistic actions in all of human history.

By helping persuade the Japanese to surrender (they were open to doing that with preconditions, but that was hilariously at odds with the military balance by mid-1945), the Americans helped make the world a much better place.

Military death estimates for the invasion of Japan ran into the hundreds of thousands, which would have been equivalent to America’s military deaths for the entirety of World War II. The US was under no obligation to sacrifice masses of its troops to spare citizens of a country that had underhandedly initiated war against them.

People who are against nuking the Japanese hate Americans.

Russia would have lost tens of thousands of soldiers occupying Hokkaido and perhaps northern Honshu (only to lose said Hokkaido People’s Republic in c.1991 anyway).

People who are against nuking the Japanese hate Russians.

Japanese troops were still occupying Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, and large parts of China. Japanese occupation was not nice. A timely Japanese surrender saved many Allied troops and third country civilians.

People who are against nuking the Japanese hate East Asians.

Previous fire bombings killed more Japanese than the two atomic bombs.

So what even makes nukes so revolting to many people? They’re just more efficient at their job.

An Allied invasion of the home islands would have killed millions of Japanese civilians, or an order of magnitude more than were killed by the atomic bombs.

People who are against nuking the Japanese hate the Japanese.

Showboating American nuclear capabilities to Stalin made the Soviet dictator warier of taking more liberties with the Western Allies in Europe. Since the postwar USSR was a depopulated wreck, while the much wealthier and reinvigorated US was accumulating dozens of nukes per year (thousands from the late 1940s), this must have reduced the risks of a Russian atomic genocide, which quite a few American generals were calling for.

People are who against nuking the Japanese really, really hate Russians.

I for one would like to take a moment and thank the brave American aviators who nuked Japan.

The Russians should have declared the Kuril Islands a Ainu autonomous Republic. The autonomous Ainu could then have reclaimed occupied Hokkaido.

The pagan religion of the Ainu is a worship of bears. They would get along great with Russians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_worship

DeSantis too. He seems to be turning into the Establishment Republicans’ candidate, which is a bad turn of events.

Trying to run a large donor race has left DeSantis oddly tapped out in the primary. There is a maximum of $1,000 per cycle so he cannot go back to prior contributors asking for more. He burned a huge amount of money early for very little impact.

This leaves him totally dependent on indirect, corporate Super PAC’s. To keep the money train flowing he is shifty on multiple issues. Mikel is correct — The public views this as establishment insincerity, which is not a good place to be.

“The best way how to learn to run for President is running for President.”

Fortunately, this is simply a DeSantis ‘trial run’ and learning experience aimed at the 2028 primary. He was a marginal debater in Florida and now obtains 2 or 3 national GOP debates. Plus one versus Newsome if that happens. He is learning how to build cohesive national campaign having made catastrophic errors.

accomplish more than Trump on the key issues of the MAGA 16 agenda.

Going back in time to envision a 2016 DeSantis presidency trying to implement a MAGA 2016 agenda in 2016 does not seem very fruitful. Having a Non-MAGA House and Non-MAGA Senate made delivering MAGA 2016 in 2016 virtually impossible. Trump’s 1st term significantly outperformed versus the obstacles faced.

The more relevant question is foward looking:

“Who is better positioned to deliver on MAGA 2024?”

DeSantis is a regional figure. He would be hamstrung by a lack of national connections. Relying on establishment RINO’s to provide that infrastructure would be disastrous. Any reform agenda he wanted to advance would be filtered through this Globalist leaning cadre to be weakened or killed.
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On the institutional front, Trump has spent years building what Barbarossa calls “Soft Power”. At the national level he has wielded the proverbial Iron Fist in the Velvet Glove.

The Velvet Glove arranged rallies, fund raising, and endorsements across the nation. This has built a network of those who can deliver MAGA priorities. He also spent time and effort developing links to local groups that will support balloting in swing states.

The Iron Fist was wielded against RINO’s in the 2022 primaries. He wiped 8 of the 10 worst GOP incumbents forcing them into early retirement or outright defeating them. This includes the reprehensible Liz Cheney.

It is objectively clear that a Trump 2024 presidency would outperform anything a compromised DeSantis has to offer.

If DeSantis wants to be the MAGA 2028 candidate he needs to spend the next 4 years:
    • Creating a small donor base
    • Building ” Soft Power” at the national level
    • Developing stronger skills in debating and other public appearances
If successful, this would allow DeSantis to slip the establishment leash and run as a true MAGA candidate.

PEACE 😇

the same effect on me as the Cirillo nomination as speaker of the Ukrainian military

Cirillo is not a trans activist, but simply a trans person. Haven’t seen any evidence of Cirillo advocating for drag queen story hour or whatever, only saw an anti-Mulvaney post by Cirillo.

America is elevating these troubled people so as an English speaking spokesperson the veteran Cirillo is a good choice.

Ukraine could have picked a Black volunteer as spokesperson. Would you have also wavered in your condemnation of Putin’s invasion by invoking Floyd and BLM riots just because the spokesperson was Black, even if he had no documented history of supporting that stuff?

Seems like you are looking for an excuse, but are too smart and not dishonest enough to use Russian talking points like biolabs with weaponized birds

I’ll be happy if Biden is out and the nightmare scenario of Harris doesn’t happen. I don’t think the Democrat establishment wants Biden to run
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Biden isn’t medically sound for president. I think a lot of Democrats are quietly aware of this.

True. But, how does one convince an Alzheimer’s victim that they are unfit?

Would you like to guess how many senior Democrats are criminally entangled with Hunter Biden or other corruption? I suspect that the number is very high. When Trump wins, they know that they need December/January pardons. If they oust Not-The-President Biden he will be vindictive, pardoning only himself and his family.

The White House occupant is also pushing to keep Not-The-VP Harris on the ticket, preventing the presence of a credible successor. Objective observers know he cannot win in 2024, but he is planning for 4 more years. Ms. Word Salad is the ultimate insurance policy protecting him from being rousted by his own team.

PEACE 😇

I don’t expect much from him on the foreign wars front but Trump was pretty catastrophic on that too.

All objective observers see that Trump delivered near 100% on this policy.

Despite repeated provocations by sociopath Khamenei Trump refused direct engagement.

Iranian intransigence did impact Syria. There he moved troops out of the kill sack between Turkish and Syrian lines. However, they stayed to counter the menace that is Khamenei. Do you really want Syria to become a failed state like Lebanon?

Trump almost fully parked the Afghanistan forces. He was working on a peaceful withdrawal plan when the traitorous Gen. SJW Milley set up a trap for intentional failure. His administration wisely avoided the disaster, however that left it to Not-The-President Biden to complete the wind down.

There was only one large (over $100M) package for Ukraine. And, that was tied to the “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth. It wound up being forced through for purely domestic reasons, not an actual desire to arm Kiev.

What more politically practical steps could Trump have possibly done to avoid foreign wars?

Remember, Trump was contending with a Non-MAGA house and Non-MAGA Senate. They imposed legislative restrictions (probably unconstitutional) that limited his power as Commander in Chief. One has to deal with the reality that Trump did not have total authority related to deployments, due to political machinations.

Trump’s 2016 arrival in Washington had little “Soft Power” to influence Congress. If you want to cast blame on the warmongering Senate, feel free. However that is not Trump’s fault. Cleaning up the GOP will take multiple MAGA administrations.

#LetsGoBrandon 😇

I guess the Rooskies are like us after all.

How could you vote for the corrupted senile geezer that is there now. Years back Gary Hart had innocent indiscretion and his political career was finished. In comparison, Biden’s documented colossal corruption and abuse of VP power for family enrichment is covered up by the DNC dishonest election riggers and their media. In fact, Trump was impeached for requesting investigation of this corruption – an unbelievable state of Washington culture.

You are peeing against wind and smell.

DeSantis’ verifiable record shows that he would do a better job than Trump.

Trump winning agenda was derailed by Democrats+Rinos litigation monsters. He was not allowed to even fart without lawsuit. Democrats are infested with greedy parasitic lawyers instead of good ideas for the plebs.

William Lloyd Garrison should have been exiled to Haiti. John Brown, if he had been caught earlier. (He was actually a big fan of Haiti). The Secret Six, and Ralph Waldo Emerson, after he praised Brown.

And probably a few dozen others, like Salmon P. Chase.

Russian talking points like biolabs with weaponized birds

For decades the US built up China as a counterweight to Russia. The Covid pandemic most likely came from a Chinese government lab that was trained in how to do gain of function experiments in North Carolina professor Ralph Baric and then the works was transferred to China where it was funded by US government money, through a grant to the so called EcoHealth Alliance, which got grants for it insanely dangerous (denounced as reckless and likely to causese a global pandemic by Nobel Prize winning virologist Simon Wain Hobson in 2015) work from the NIH. but also the Department of Defence. Facebook banned mention of the Wuhan Virology Institute being incriminated as origin on the pandemic as fake news. It is not unreasonable for the Russians to assert that despite the aforementioned lack of due care and attention given to it in the past in Chin and research on virology done in Ukraine on US money must be presumed a danger to Russian bio-security and publicly exposed as such.

Globalism Effects on U.S. & Europe w/Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador

NATO Plan B after Failed Ukr Offensive; Moscow Kiev Say No; Missiles Kupiansk Offensive Hammer Ukr

If Hezbollah is continously supplied by Iran then when the Iran War breaks out, Hzebollah will continously attack Israel. Thousands of Israelis could die and it would change the course of the war. Syria is like Laos during the Vietnam War. The US dropped around 300 million bombs (including cluster sub-munitions in this estimate) over a period of 10 years on Laos to interdict the supply lines to South Vietnam. Syria will similarly become a huge battleground during the Iran War and require a huge committment of US troops. A lot of people might not like how beholden the US is to Israel but that is reality and there is no arguing against reality.

…I’ll be happy if Biden is out and the nightmare scenario of Harris doesn’t happen.

I could say that even a broken clock is right twice a day…but I am just glad we agree on something…:)

Biden-Harris duo was a ticking disaster from the beginning – un unsolvable set-up that offers no easy way out. It was the same with the dumb establishment attempt in 2016 to run one president’s wife against another president’s brother. The ability to anticipate and to think stuff through is part of having a high IQ. How come they didn’t see it coming – it makes one wonder about the quality of US elites.

Right now part of the US elite (the dominant part) is trying to put a leading opposition candidate in jail – and unlike Navalny, Trump is a real thing. It looks absolutely horrible to the rest of the world and has the potential to completely undermine US soft power. To charge Trump with ‘election interference’ and ‘not turning in important documents to an archive’ is an absolute madness. Those are not crimes that a guy who received 70-80 million votes (twice!) can be charged with in a democracy.

Maybe you should stop worrying so much about where exactly Ukraine ends and Russia begins, or vice versa, and consider the rolling disaster the current US political scene has become. You need to fix it before the jokes turn into contempt. It is hard to come back from contempt.

(Don’t try the ‘but Trump didn’t do the paperwork’ or ‘but it could be illegal, right?” defense, those don’t translate outside Washington. To be fair, I don’t think you would.)

Trump winning agenda was derailed by Democrats+Rinos litigation monsters. He was not allowed to even fart without lawsuit. Democrats are infested with greedy parasitic lawyers instead of good ideas for the plebs.

Trump was derailed by Trump.

No one forced him to take home stacks of classified documents.

If he really wants Biden out of office then he should quit.

Democrats are infested with greedy parasitic lawyers instead of good ideas for the plebs.

And what are the Republicans? Humble of servants of the common people?

DC is a competition of greedy lawyers.

I’m not a fan of the current Democrats but I’d prefer an alternative to Team Corporate Whores.

Right now part of the US elite (the dominant part) is trying to put a leading opposition candidate in jail – and unlike Navalny, Trump is a real thing.

How is Trump more real than Navalny? Trump has committed real crimes. What do you think would happen if a janitor took home that many classified documents?

To charge Trump with ‘election interference’ and ‘not turning in important documents to an archive’ is an absolute madness.

I don’t agree with the Rico charges but why should he get a pass on the documents? Cause screw the establishment? That’s still endorsing corruption. Corruption is ok if it is your guy? Well the establishment has the same attitude.

Maybe you should stop worrying so much about where exactly Ukraine ends and Russia begins, or vice versa

I don’t worry at all. I agree with the UN and their 143-5 vote on Ukraine’s border being where Russia agreed to it in 1994.

and consider the rolling disaster the current US political scene has become. You need to fix it before the jokes turn into contempt. It is hard to come back from contempt.

The US political scene was a disaster before I was born. It’s not my job to fix it. Why would I dedicate myself to fixing a political system where around 10 million White men don’t even bother voting?

(Don’t try the ‘but Trump didn’t do the paperwork’ or ‘but it could be illegal, right?” defense, those don’t translate outside Washington. To be fair, I don’t think you would.)

Not sure what you mean here. Trump committed multiple felonies and has terrible support with independents and moderates. Swing states are decided by independents and moderates.

I admire Trump for challenging the establishment but his situation is terrible. Screaming MAGA fans in red hats do not change the data. Too many independents hate him and would take Biden drooling in a wheelchair. Is what it is.

I’m not a fan of DeSantis but Trump is a toxic candidate. He is doing the bidding of the MSM by beating up on DeSantis and Christie. The MSM wants the GOP candidates to tear each other down before the primary even begins.

The old paradigm was like this:
    • Left — Progressive, Labour, High Taxes, Foreign Wars
    • Right — Corporate, Open Borders

The permanent change Trump made is rearranging the sides:
    ♦ Populist — MAGA, Labour, Low Taxes, Reindustrialization
    ♦ Globalist — Corporate, Progressive, Open Borders, Foreign Wars

Ding Dong. The Left is dead! So is the Right!

Team Corporate Whores = The Uniparty = Dems + RINO’s. You are right to oppose them.

The new way forward is Christian Populism. It is not limited to the U.S. version, a.k.a. MAGA. Look at Hungary. Ending the stupidity in Ukraine should help bring Italy and Poland on board.

PEACE 😇

From Sean 8 weeks ago. It looks as though he got it right. The 82nd Brigade and the Challengers (Maybe not even all 14 of them) are now at Robotyne. Does this mean that are mostly through the minefield? Challengers are for trench breaking and tank killing not blitzkrieg. Slow, heavy and they break down.

Instead a Ukrainian attack is lightly to proceed by sending successive broad front attacks along the same axis of advance (prolly toward Mauriopol), using low quality units to clear the mines one way or another, and only then and if an exploitable breach is attained will the real Ukrainian assault formations be committed.

Agree. Whatever his manifold faults, Trump was an antiwar candidate and seemed to mean it.

The bogus Fulton County, Trump indictment train just hit a brick wall. (1)

“Mr. Meadows has the right to remove this matter. The conduct giving rise to the charges in the indictment all occurred during his tenure and as part of his service as Chief of Staff,” his lawyers wrote.
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Meadows likely to succeed? As Just the News notes

Although Trump’s New York case was not upgraded to federal court, Parlatore said that the decision from federal Judge Alvin Hellerstein of New York’s Southern District “perfectly laid the groundwork” for moving the Georgia case.

What distinguishes the Georgia from the New York case is the nature of the alleged criminal acts. The New York case involved payments made by then-Trump attorney Michael Cohen to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. Judge Hellerstein said that “Hush money paid to an adult film star is not related to a President’s official acts. It does not reflect in any way the color of the President’s official duties.”

“I think that it’s going to be almost impossible to avoid removal. Removal is important because when you have a federal official that is being charged by a state in violation of state law, that’s something that you want to have removed to the federal courts so the federal judge can decide, you know, do the federal authorities have some type of ability to do this?” Parlatore told JTN Tuesday evening.

The establishment knows Trump will win. Bigly! The result is panic & desperation.

Legally declassifying documents is not a crime. Challenging an obviously rigged election is not a crime. Each absurd injustice strengthens Trump with moderates and independents in swing states.

PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mark-meadows-wants-move-georgia-indictment-federal-court-and-legal-experts-say-hell

Cirillo is not a trans activist, but simply a trans person

In 2023 that sounds comically naive. Trannies are not like gays, that can maintain their orientation private or at least not make a constant show of it. Trannyism is exhibitionist by nature. They need you and me to participate in their fantasy by using their preferred pronouns (that can change over time) and by pretending that they are what they’re visibly not in the restrooms, at sports, etc. There is no such thing as a trans person on a desert island. They would have no one to display their pretend sexual attributes to and their whole identity conflict becomes moot. They’d have no constant supply of hormones either.

Of course to maintain the collective fantasy these perturbed people have created they need constant social mobilization and, crucially for me, proselitizing at schools and children spaces, which interferes with my rights as a parent to see my child develop naturally. What would happen to these people if society just ignored them and children stopped following the transitioning madness?

I’m not saying here that these people are not ill, don’t deserve any compasion or there aren’t a very small minority suffering from genuine dysphoria. I’m saying that the situation has gotten out of control and it’s time to stand up to the irrevocable damage they’re provoking to many vulnerable minors.

Would you have also wavered in your condemnation of Putin’s invasion by invoking Floyd 

As I said from the beginning, not even JJ will make me falter in my despisal of Putin and the Zoperation, though he has put my resolve to test several times. If it was Russia who had decided to make Cirillo or a Portland Antifa their military spokesperson my despisal would be even bigger. The idea was Kiev’s though.

America is elevating these troubled people so as an English speaking spokesperson the veteran Cirillo is a good choice.

That’s what the Bud Light executives thought. America is such a trans-friendly country now, Let’s join the trend and show how in we are. Look what happened next.

How is Trump more real than Navalny? Trump has committed real crimes.

Trump has 40-45% electoral support, Navalny at his peak had at best 5%. Navalny was charged with two proven fraud cases – maybe it was selective prosecution, but the fraud was committed and the money was stolen. Navalny’s brother was the main guy and actually went to jail earlier. You know nothing (as always).

should he get a pass on the documents?…that’s still endorsing corruption.

Two very different things, not returning documents is not “corruption”.

The point is that it is a paper-crime – same crime committed by multiple other presidents, secretaries, etc…you can’t only charge Trump. It is literally the definition of selective prosecution.

Trump committed multiple felonies and has terrible support with independents and moderates.

No he didn’t – you are politicizing it. His electability and views are not at stake: the issue is selectively prosecuting a guy for made-up crimes a year before elections where he has around 40% support. You don’t see how devastating it is to America’s image.

I agree with the UN and their 143-5 vote on Ukraine’s border being where Russia agreed to it in 1994.

Did Palau voted for it? Wow…we can dig through UN unbinding resolutions and find just about anything: US, UK, Izrael have been denounced multiple times and nobody paid attention to it. In 2002 US flat out lost a vote on Iraq war in the Security council (a binding resolution) and ignored it. So you are barking about inconsequential things.

Interestingly, the Catholic Archbishop of Dublin, Peter Talbot (consecrated 1669), ordered that any Catholic who married a Jew be excommunicated.

I wonder what the policy of the Anglican Church was.

BTW, Talbot died in prison.

I see they have cages as nearly all tanks do, plus grilles on each side.

Those Septics are pretty cunning, keeping the Abrams out of the battles til last.

I see more people are leaving the UK armed forces than joining, so they’re looking for “older and more neurodiverse” types.

Cirillo is not a trans activist, but simply a trans person

In 2023 that sounds comically naive. Trannies are not like gays, that can maintain their orientation private or at least not make a constant show of it. Trannyism is exhibitionist by nature.

Years ago I worked with a trans nurse. Wasn’t annoying at all, no activism, casual conversations didn’t center on that stuff. Decent, kind person.

Felt sorry for the person – built like an NFL linebacker, 6 ft. tall, broad shoulders, prominent jaw, large. Looked ridiculous in female clothes. Must have really felt it necessary to live like that.

Trans people are much more likely to experience mental illness than are gay people, and some mentally ill people turn to activism because working on changing society is easier than working on changing oneself, so there is probably a higher percentage of activists among them. But it isn’t universal. You shouldn’t blame this spokesperson in Ukraine for the outrageous things being done in your kids’ school.

Btw, why do all of those videos of the crazy trans strippers in libraries or community buildings fondling themselves in front of children who were brought there by their parents happen in places like Texas? I live in a liberal Northeastern state and that stuff doesn’t seem to happen here. They quietly allow them into restrooms and to play sports or whatever which is not good, but I haven’t heard of those grotesque displays.

America is elevating these troubled people so as an English speaking spokesperson the veteran Cirillo is a good choice.

That’s what the Bud Light executives thought. America is such a trans-friendly country now, Let’s join the trend and show how in we are. Look what happened next.

Mulvaney was obnoxious and Cirillo also condemned Mulvaney (for which Cirillo was attacked by some trans activists).

Haven’t seen much of this Cirillo, but Cirillo just presents as a not particularly feminine-looking person with long hair (could pass as a very masculine woman, such exist in the military) in a uniform who talks military stuff. Nothing like Mulvaney prancing around and making a mockery of biological women while doing so.

Btw, why do all of those videos of the crazy trans strippers in libraries or community buildings fondling themselves in front of children who were brought there by their parents happen in places like Texas? I live in a liberal Northeastern state and that stuff doesn’t seem to happen here. They quietly allow them into restrooms and to play sports or whatever which is not good, but I haven’t heard of those grotesque displays.

Maybe since Northeastern liberals are already pro-trans, there’s no need to stick it in their face anywhere near as much as for anti-trans conservatives?

I live in a liberal Northeastern state and that stuff doesn’t seem to happen here. They quietly allow them into restrooms and to play sports or whatever which is not good, but I haven’t heard of those grotesque displays

My assessment is that there seems to be some amount of proselytizing in public spaces.

The permanent change Trump made is rearranging the sides:
♦ Populist — MAGA, Labour, Low Taxes, Reindustrialization
♦ Globalist — Corporate, Progressive, Open Borders, Foreign Wars

Trump didn’t change anything. He could have turned the GOP populist but they will go right back to serving the establishment.

We have:

Total Corporate Whores that are slightly better on immigration
Anti-White Corporate Whores that are slightly better for labor

The new way forward is Christian Populism. It is not limited to the U.S. version, a.k.a. MAGA. Look at Hungary. Ending the stupidity in Ukraine should help bring Italy and Poland on board.

Before the war both Ukraine and Poland were criticized by the EU for not taking Syrians.

I’m all for a Christian Populist party. Go ahead and start one.

How is Trump more real than Navalny? Trump has committed real crimes.

Trump has 40-45% electoral support

Where are those numbers from? 2020?

Here is something more recent
Majority of Americans do not want Trump or Biden to run
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-new-poll-run-election-president-1717171

40-45% electoral support would be impossible if you mean by population. Most of the country votes Democrat and there are more independents than Republicans. A Republican has to win through the electoral college and by taking independents in swing states.

Navalny at his peak had at best 5%.

The Russian system is closed and autocratic so we really don’t know his actual numbers.

It’s not a democratic system when the president is allowed to poison the competition.

Trump committed multiple felonies and has terrible support with independents and moderates.

No he didn’t – you are politicizing it.

Taking home Federal classified documents is a felony. Your love of Trump doesn’t change the laws. Trump is the one who didn’t return the documents when asked. That was his mistake and not mine. This case is much worse than Trump Tribe realizes. It’s in fact mind blowing. He is extremely arrogant and seems to think the laws don’t apply to him. So out of character for someone born into wealth.

In fact Trump may be sentenced under a law he signed:
https://www.businessinsider.com/law-trump-signed-2018-may-punish-him-classified-info-2022-8

I agree with the UN and their 143-5 vote on Ukraine’s border being where Russia agreed to it in 1994.

Did Palau voted for it? Wow…we can dig through UN unbinding resolutions and find just about anything

Why would that matter? The world views Russia’s annexations as illegal. That 5 on the side of Russia includes Russia and Belarus. Oh and North Korea, another totalitarian dictatorship.

Your delusions on the innocence of Trump are only matched by your delusions on the innocence of Russia.

Cheer on Putin all you want but the world views him as a psychopathic dictator like Hitler but without the war acumen. Basically a bitter loser that can’t even take the title of evil genius. Just evil.

The establishment knows Trump will win. Bigly! The result is panic & desperation.

I was told exactly that last time by Trump Tribe.

I pointed out that he was losing independents and was told it was just establishment propaganda.

Well Trump Tribe sure showed me.

Trump polls even worse with independents and Trump Tribe’s response is to chop up two lines of 100% Columbian cope for each nostril.

Legally declassifying documents is not a crime.

Taking home classified documents and leaving them around your mansion in boxes is declassifying them? How about showing them to visitors? Even after the FBI asked for them to be returned?

Do explain.

Then there is this doozy:

Trump asked staffer to delete camera footage
https://apnews.com/article/trump-classified-documents-justice-department-special-counsel-2025feb3f0f4e3820d14387c67ce4316

Then there are the comments he made on tape.

I am aware that the MSM hates Trump but this really is a case of him being a total a-sshole. All he had to do was give them back. This is even dumber than Watergate.

I voted him for him twice but that doesn’t mean I am going to put on a red hat like a jackass and pretend he didn’t commit multiple felonies.

Where are those numbers from? 2020?

Today:

https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-ramaswamy-rising-desantis-loses-ground-gop-primary

Trump 41% – Biden 44%…you don’t seem to know about your own country…

The Russian system is closed and autocratic so we really don’t know his actual numbers.
It’s not a democratic system when the president is allowed to poison the competition.

So is the American system, who can run is now controlled – look how crazy they go over Trump.
It is also not democratic to charge the main opposition candidate with bullsh..t “crimes” a year before the elections.

Taking home Federal classified documents is a felony.

Clinton, Biden, Obama etc…all took “documents” home. Some even destroyed them. President is the ultimate authority on what is classified. It is a complete bullsh..t crime selectively enforced. How about the “electoral meddling”? A “conspiracy” by the main candidate organized after the elections, how clever. That is simply bizarre, you can’t be that stupid.

The world views Russia’s annexations as illegal.

China? India? Who is the “world”? You? Wake up…UN is joke, stop quoting it.

dictator like Hitler but without the war acumen.

You are coming out as a Hitler admirer, I should have known. By the way, Hitler lost the war – he is actually among the biggest losers in history. Russia has so far been winning. Go ahead and salute Herr Hitler all you want, it won’t make your desires come true. You are losing the war.

Where are those numbers from? 2020?

https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-ramaswamy-rising-desantis-loses-ground-gop-primary

Trump 41% – Biden 44%…you don’t seem to know about your own country…

That’s a poll of primary eligible Republican voters which would not meet the common definition of electoral support. A majority of the country does not want him to run. I can provide the source again if you would like.

Trump won the primary last time and his numbers with independents are much worse. MAGA hat screaming fans do not decide presidential elections. Yes I realize most of them are data-free and think Trump is a superhero that can overcome any pesky numbers. They believed that last time.

I know my country which is why it is a terrible idea for him to run again.

So is the American system, who can run is now controlled – look how crazy they go over Trump.

MSM bias is not the equivalent of giving a political dissident 19 years in prison.

The world can see that Russia has gone back to Stalinism. Your damage control is convincing no one and especially not yourself.

Taking home Federal classified documents is a felony.

Clinton, Biden, Obama etc…all took “documents” home. Some even destroyed them.

I fully support charging them with felonies. Biden in fact may be charged with a felony over the laptop before the next election. We can only hope.

Trump did not simply take home a box of documents. His mansion was filled with them and he showed them off to visitors. He also lied on tape about it. Those are his mistakes and not mine and the actions of former presidents don’t somehow exonerate him.

It is also not democratic to charge the main opposition candidate with bullsh..t “crimes” a year before the elections.

One question:
If a janitor in DC took home that many classified documents would he serve time in prison?

https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-ramaswamy-rising-desantis-loses-ground-gop-primary

Trump 41% – Biden 44%…

Key to note that the poll is Registered Voters [RV] not Likely Voters [LV]. The better accuracy (but higher cost) LV method picks up more ‘hard to reach’ independent voters and the shift is at least 3%, usually more like 5%, away from the Democrat candidate. So the actual match up, adjusting based on historical RV/LV poll, suggests:

• At least: Trump 44% – Biden 41%
• More likely closer to: Trump 46% – Biden 39%

Of course, it is still too early for these to mean that much. People are more focused on the primaries. And, there is plenty of time for more information about Not-The-President Biden and his criminal spawn to come out. The numbers are likely to move dramatically.

It is also not democratic to charge the main opposition candidate with bullsh..t “crimes” a year before the elections.

I concur.

Especially when objective facts show election integrity problems leading up to the 2020 coup. For example: (1)

When there is proof of misconduct, seeking redress is 100% legitimate and non-criminal.
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Trump had properly declassified & declared documents locked in a secure room. It may have been aesthetically better to have removed the jackets, but there is simply no evidence of a crime.

Compare that to former VP Biden who had actual classified documents, mishandled & unsecured, in his garage.

Everyone serious knows who the criminal is.
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One wonders what the unhinged, lying #NeverTrump fringe hope to accomplish.

Their rage, falsehoods, and overreach only serves to make Trump more popular with independent voters in swing states. It is so helpful to MAGA, I almost do not want to discourage the craziness. Please… Continue helping Trump 2024 by making the DNC look foolish.

PEACE 😇
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(1) https://directorblue.blogspot.com/2023/08/infographic-michigans-bombshell.html

The world views Russia’s annexations as illegal.

China? India? Who is the “world”? You? Wake up…UN is joke, stop quoting it.

It’s the opinion of 143 nations against 5 including Russia, Belarus and North Korea.

Here is the vote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/13/un-condemns-russias-annexations-in-ukraine-how-countries-voted

You are proudly on the side of Russia, Belarus and North Korea. We get that.

dictator like Hitler but without the war acumen.

You are coming out as a Hitler admirer, I should have known. By the way, Hitler lost the war – he is actually among the biggest losers in history. Russia has so far been winning. Go ahead and salute Herr Hitler all you want, it won’t make your desires come true. You are losing the war.

Saying that Hitler had war acumen does not make one an admirer.

I in fact detest Hitler apologists as his actions ultimately expanded the USSR and that is in my history. He obviously lost but his war record remains. Taking Poland in 6 weeks was unthinkable at the time. The Fall of France is one of the biggest upsets in military history. He had a keen sense of war and politics. Yes he later went crazy and blew it all on Barbarossa but their quick conquering of Western Europe is a historical feat. You can say that Genghis Khan was good at war without actually admiring him.

Putin is not in the same group as Khan or Hitler. Just a KGB rat who didn’t even bother to read a single book about the lessons of WW1. Hitler in contrast knew of every single European war and had even studied Roman and Greek battles. Putin is the smart guy who thinks he is naturally good at everything and doesn’t need to study. Not the person you want in charge of a war. The same guy that thinks it is fine to stick an emergency services director in charge of the MOD.

Russia has so far been winning. Go ahead and salute Herr Hitler all you want, it won’t make your desires come true. You are losing the war.

That’s amusing since I get called a Jew here on a near daily basis.

I don’t support the mass murder of anyone and certainly not a mass murdering dwarf.

Winning the war would be re-taking territory and not making new excuses about how Putin is playing 5d chess by moving backwards.

Putin cannot win this war based on his original goals. NATO already expanded via Finland. The best he can hope for is a piece of Ukraine and gushing praise from his Totalitarian State TV that won’t dare bring up his original speech.

Watch this HIMARS air burst

https://funker530.com/video/russian-training-site-flattened-by-himars-air-burst/

They really have no chance on the ground when compared to traditional artillery. With artillery you can at least hear it coming and try to hunker down.

You have to wonder how many high level targets Russia has lost to HIMARS.

If they have your location and choose to launch then you are dead.

The uniparty is going to jettison both Trump and Biden. The writing is too clear.

But, what/who replaces them will be much worse.

What a damn quagmire!!!

I think that Hitler was much more “successful” than Putler will ever be, except that Putler will join Hitler as being a big loser in world history books.

Hitler and his go to man Goebbels spent many years (10+) preparing the German masses for total war, marketing Nazi war plans with a very carefully developed marketing program including even the handout of free radios. Putler surprised the Russian people on 02/24/22 with his war on Ukraine. No wonder so many young Russians are not comfortable for enlisting or being dragged into this “surprise” war.

Hitler was quite successful with his “anschluss” of Austria. The people there did actually greet the German occupation forces as kinly liberators. Within Putler’s dreams of anschluss, in his mind uniting the two branches of Rus, Little Russian and Big Russian, he failed miserably when his original assault on Kyiv was met with stiff resistance from the locals, ending up in the murder and rape of Ukrainian locals. Ukrainians did not embrace the invading tanks and military as brotherly liberators, forgoing the traditional flowers and salt and bread for molotov cocktails used to decimate many tanks on their way to Kyiv.

Hitler was able to conquer the Sudetenland with barely a whimper from the West. Putler was met with stiff condemnation and all manner of sanctions that are reeking havoc on the Russian economy. Producing weapons and ammunition are becoming more difficult to procure every day, and runaway inflation is becoming untenable.

I’m sure that you can come up with even more similar analogies that would show how Putler is a poor man’s Hitler, and why his folly will not last much longer. A five year war just isn’t in the picture for Mr. Putler.

I think that a lot of folks have forgotten just how important the procurement of himars and howitzers were for Ukraine’s war efforts. Until then, it was the nimble drones that were mostly driving Ukraine’s early successful efforts. Defense systems, of course, have been very helpful in keeping a lot of Ukraine’s skys safe from enemy threats. Airfire, should help Ukraine come up with the final knockout blow (F-17’s).

I think that Hitler was much more “successful” than Putler will ever be, except that Putler will join Hitler as being a big loser in world history books.

Hitler is viewed as a terrifying evil genius figure even though he is long dead. Putin is viewed more as an unstable loser with nukes.

I’m sure that you can come up with even more similar analogies that would show how Putler is a poor man’s Hitler, and why his folly will not last much longer.

I sure can.

Hitler would give a live and lengthy speech to spellbound audiences.

Putin answers a few scripted questions on State TV and leaves his own 1984 Fox ‘n Friends nervous.

Hitler only accepted generals with an exhaustive resume and would demand on the spot that fully explain their plans.

Putin put an emergency services director with zero military background in charge of the ministry of defense. He also helped a chef with a criminal record develop a private army. Amusingly the chef reached the conclusion that the emergency services director was a hack and needed to be removed. Putin disagreed.

Hitler analyzed every detail of the German soldier’s kit down to how many cigarettes he was issued.

Putin’s troops are on video with mismatched camo, old AK-47s and blue food. Still waiting for an explanation from Mikail on what Russian food is blue.

A five year war just isn’t in the picture for Mr. Putler.

I don’t see how the Ruble would make it 5 years. Europe will most likely have another mild winter and German grandmas are tougher than Putin assumes. Another mild winter and a 125:1 drop could easily cause ATM lines. Putin’s best hope is that Ukraine’s losses are much worse than they are stating. Not a good situation when your best hope is that the enemy is lying.

Trump charges are frivolous and smelling filthy politics. Biden was in possession of top secret documents but the f media bury it. Biden actually did not win in 2020 fairly…f media and intel buried his son incriminating laptop issue. An empirical analysis from a survey indicate that Biden would have lost sufficient number of votes for Trump to win (laptop info made the difference). To me, record 85 m votes, more than Obama, for a senile candidate who started with 2% primary support is a colossal deceit.

Trump wanted to run country as a business and he sought friendship with Putin against China – his main economic adversary. His style is not the best but he wanted best for the country.

How can Ukraine win? In your dreams.

Every day, little by little. Some days, a lot.

Ukrainian Kharkiv offensive:

Ukraine’s military says its forces have retaken over 3,000 sq km (1,158 sq miles) during a rapid counter-offensive in eastern Ukraine. The remarkable advance, if confirmed, means Kyiv’s forces have tripled their stated gains in little over 48 hours.Sep 11, 2022

Too many mistakes by the Russian armed forces point to an eventual Russia defeat..

You are proudly on the side of Russia, Belarus and North Korea. We get that.

Were you aware that Beckow safely exists within his native Slovakia? He rarely if ever criticizes his own country’s status as a NATO member state. Most here at this blogsite have him pegged as the offspring of Commie bureaucrats. He perfectly well understands just where his Saab or VW is built, having no desire to buy a Russian made automobile.

Is a russian made car in the picture down the road for comrade Beckow? 🙂

When the Soviets did a non-old-fart leader move they got Gorbachev.

Great reset, perestroika, same difference.

If the West were to win this proxy war in Ukraine what do you think will happen? This will probably energize Western proxy wars in Belarus, Kaliningrad, Ossetia, Kazakhstan, Syria, etc. None of these wars will actually be about the well being of the citizens of these countries, though this will be lied about with pervasive 24/7 propaganda. These will be proxy wars of empire designed to make Russia weaker in a variety of ways, including economically and militarily. Stirring up internal division to break up core Russia into several parts is presumably the ultimate goal. Throughout the process the risk of WW3 will be continually increasing.

The countries of the West played this game forever in Europe, pitting state against state, people against people, faction against faction and sometimes brother against brother. Occasionally a real war of conscience is mixed in which supposedly gives the proxy war process some credibility. The West has been doing this in the rest of the world for centuries, with one empire fighting another using hapless peasants as proxies. The actions of the West in Ukraine are completely recognizable in this framework.

What do you expect would happen in the unlikely event of a win in this proxy war? I expect the crooked Ukrainians will sell off the country to their Western “partners”. Military bases specifically intended to fight WW3 against Russia will be established immediately. Millions of third world savages will be brought in to “repopulate” the Slavic country formerly known as Ukraine. Drug and human trafficking will actually increase.

Watched A Man for All Seasons (1966) the other night.

Though, I have a congenital dislike of theater, and it honestly did rub me the wrong way at times, I still thought it was a very good film. Perhaps partly because it is very reactionary. Also liked the river sequences.

This will probably energize Western proxy wars in Belarus, Kaliningrad, Ossetia, Kazakhstan, Syria, etc.

Given Lukashenko’s towering political skill and timeless wisdom, it is indeed impossible to imagine Belarusians ever voting for any other presidential candidate, even after 26 years.

I don’t think that there will be a WWIII in the wake of Russia’s poor performance in Ukraine. It’s clear to everybody, hopefully the Russians too, that the combined weight of NATO would be way too much for Russia to handle, especially after the devastation of the Russian military in Ukraine. The Soviet Union along with its satellite states had a far greater chance of fighting this kind of war. Today? Russia is possibly on the verge of falling apart, no satellite states left (in fact they’d all now be fighting against Russia) and no real ideology to unite Russia, like it had when the Soviet Union existed. It would be hard to unite Russia under a slogan of “Keep Putler and his oligarch buddies around forever”.

There’re also wealthier and poorer examples in that great country, which collectively rejects neocon/neolib/svido influenced spin.

No geopolitical virtue signalling from India:

https://www.rt.com/india/581386-ukraine-not-invited-g20-india/

82nd Brigade last chance. Elensky, impossible choice. Sarkozy, end war. ECOWAS to enter Niger. U/1

Trump charges are frivolous and smelling filthy politics.

His mansion was filled with classified documents. You call that frivolous?

Biden was in possession of top secret documents but the f media bury it. Biden actually did not win in 2020 fairly…f media and intel buried his son incriminating laptop issue.

The big guy deserves prison more than Trump and the MSM laptop cover-up was a disgrace.

That still doesn’t mean Trump can break the law. The MSM didn’t force him to take home boxes of documents. The MSM didn’t force him to show them off to visitors. The MSM didn’t force him to lie on tape about it.

An empirical analysis from a survey indicate that Biden would have lost sufficient number of votes for Trump to win (laptop info made the difference).

I don’t see how that would be calculated when exit polls showed that COVID is what swayed independents.

Trump didn’t push the laptop at the time and neither did Republicans. Internet posters were asking more questions than our dopey DC conservatives. We have a lying MSM but we also have cowardly conservatives that go along with it half the time. Trump thought he could coast into winning with his base. He never pushed hard on the laptop or Hunter’s fake position. The internet was pointing out all kinds of flaws with the MSM narrative but Trump was more interested in getting praise from his red hat cult. His strategy was to fall back to his base and it didn’t work. He in fact lost Whites but gained Hispanics.

Have you seen Yarvin’s schtick on monarchy inherently superior system?

It is possibly the dumbest thing I have seen since I was ten years old and my new step-mom cooked with cilantro. Unlike her it is pretty entertaining.

At a minimum, Sweden should be ejected/banned from all international organizations, until they have more respectable musk ox herds, to say nothing of woolly mammoths.

You are proudly on the side of Russia, Belarus and North Korea. We get that.

Were you aware that Beckow safely exists within his native Slovakia? He rarely if ever criticizes his own country’s status as a NATO member state.

Was not aware.

Putin’s defenders all share a notable trait which is that none of them actually live in Russia.

They are all conveniently spread outside of Russia and mostly in NATO protected countries. They show their love of Putin by keeping their distance from him.

Is a russian made car in the picture down the road for comrade Beckow?

This is more what I imagine:
I vill get back to defending Poooin and Roosa after I get second chai latte. Might also need egg bites to help me defend great dictator of Europe. All hail Putin! Does anyone know bathroom code?

Yes, I’ve seen Yarvin promote monarchy. Honestly, feels a bit like a LARP.

Russian propaganda!

Russia got richer even as the war in Ukraine raged on last year, while the West shed trillions of dollars of wealth
https://www.businessinsider.com/war-in-ukraine-russia-richer-millionaires-billionaires-uhnw-wealth-ubs-2023-8

So the new Richard Hanania book is another example of the drastic collapse of intelligence that is the inevitable result of modern scientific civilization – apparently, Woke is merely the mechanical result of external policies, a kind of example of blind Newtonian mechanics 🙂

It has no “inner dimension” – it is not the inevitable implication of the basic spiritual premises of modernity, it does not have a moral logic that derives from the very core of Western culture with it’s basis in Christianity and as it developed since the Renaissance and through the Scientific Revolution and the Enlightenment, and it has no inner moral passion or spiritual dimension – it is not an attempt to answer mankind’s need, however imperfectly and corruptedly, for ethical purpose and a spiritual horizon.

No, no, just blind mechanical forces at play here 🙂 Random, really, and we can unravel it in an entirely mechanical way.

In the past few years, there has been a growing intensification of the philosophy of “managerialism”, as described by James Burnham in the early 20th century. The idea that all social phenomena are the mere result of manipulation, and that all social change is engineered – the idea that social change occurs partly through moral and spiritual factors being a mere relic of our primitive past, you see 🙂

This “new” philosophy is supposed to be immensely sophisticated, the latest and most cutting edge thing, and it’s devotees and acolytes, all superficial conformists rushing to embrace the next popular thing, dispense their newfound wisdom in tones dripping with condescension.

This popular fad seems to be widely embraced here – people as diverse as Dmitry and Bashibuzuk are true blue believers in managerialism – and Hanania is merely embracing the current “it” thing (which, of course, is the path to fame and wealth).

Of course the book won’t get cancelled – despite it’s apparent opposition to Woke, it massively affirms the underlying premises of modern scientific civilization upon which the philosophy of Woke depends and is a development of in one of its fundamental dimensions (although, as I sketched above, it has other dimensions).

As Anatoly Karlin says, Hanania has redeemed himself by aligning himself with Elite Human Capital (i.e, the philosophy of modern scientific civilization) 🙂

Elite Human Capital, in Karlins sense, might be defined as that section of the population that is squarely in the “middle” of the intelligence field – not too bright, not too stupid, and whose basic commitment is control of the physical world, because they lack the range and depth of intelligence to see beyond the physical – or indeed think complexly at all. Such people do not know what they do not know – they are the Duning-Kruger slice of the population 🙂

Future historians will see modern scientific civilization as the result of a process of cognitive impoverishment which was the precondition for its development.

Whatever paeans we sing ourselves, the truth is to control the physical world we had to become stupider – a fact that will gradually come to be acknowledged, as we recover a fuller intelligence. Perhaps modern scientific civilization will be known in the future as the Duning-Kruger civilization 🙂

A good way to entertain oneself is to scroll through Karlins twitter and see a typical left-hemisphere thinker struggle with and fail to understand basic concepts like “morality” – unable to grasp it’s inner dimension and logic, Karlin ultimately concludes morality is what the elites declare it to be 🙂 And yet, he is doing no more than being a faithful child of modernity, with it’s inability to see beyond the “outside” of a phenomenon.

In fact, Karlin is one of the most honest and courageous people I know in fully realizing the implications of modern culture in himself – we should all study him.

Which brings me to eugenics.

To me, one of the amusing things about eugenics is that it’s very success would be it’s defeat.

Eugenics is basically an intensification of everything that is devitalizing about modernity and that leads to a collapse in intelligence.

Eugenics is attractive to those people who locate life’s purpose in gaining power over the physical world, and would select for traits they think maximize that – but those traits are exactly what lead to loss of a sense of meaning in life, loss of happiness, loss of intellectual depth and range, loss of touch with a larger reality, and a collapse in vitality.

A typical left-brained project, it would select for and intensity left-brained traits of the kind that are rapidly leading to collapse

One result of a successful eugenics program would be a dramatic rise in mass suicides as nihilism and unhappiness become endemic and epidemic.

It would also, amusingly enough, result in loss of creativity and intelligence. The designers of any eugenics program – precisely to the extent they succeed 🙂 – would select for typical left-brained traits, thus intensifying the current stagnation and observable drop in intelligence that is so characteristic of modernity. It would de-select for imagination and intuition, which are the sources of creativity and innovation.

So; a eugenic society would be a nihilistic society prone to epidemics of mass suicide, stagnation in all fields, out of touch with reality – basically modernity on steroids 🙂

And that is the extent to which it succeeds in its goals.

Of course, it has no chance of succeeding. The simplistic understanding of genetics by advocates of eugenics obviously has no chance of understanding – much less controlling – human nature at a high level.

Another rather impish and mischievous thought occured to me 🙂 God will use the left-hemisphere peoples attempt to control human nature through radically simplistic formulas that are staggeringly inadequate to the complexity of the task – and blissfully innocent of any notion of second and third order effects and unintended consequences – to precisely bring into being a human type not, as their designers intended, of narrowed intelligence, range, and scope, “optimized” to the dull task of controlling nature, but of expanded intellectual and emotional range, and thus heralding a return to a fuller and larger relationship to reality and a new civilization which truly caters to human flourishing.

This, mankind’s stupidity becomes the vehicle for its salvation 🙂

A King as part of an engineered political project would be absolutely horrific – a mere despot, a potentate, and a mere extension of the dreariness of modern political culture with it’s emphasis on manipulation and engineering.

If a King is to have any value, he must be part of a “mythic” framework – it cannot be part of an attempt to create an efficient political order, but an attempt to elevate poetry to the center of our lives 🙂 There must be nothing “logical” about it – i.e, it cannot be part of an attempt to create a drearily efficient political order. (As a mere question of engineering, it’s obviously superior to have the facade of democracy hiding oligarch exploitation).

As every child knows, we’re supposed to have Kings and noble knights who defend the common people, elegant ladies living in castles, monks in monasteries and hermits living in forests, and half the year ought to be taken up with feasting and paegentry, quests and adventures.

But none of this can occur as part of a thought out political program whose principles are efficiency and logic – it can only come about through a radical shift to an entirely different sensibility.

As long as you accept the premises of modern science, you can’t really articulate a coherent opposition to the excesses of the trans movement, which is why no one on the right can really fight it effectively despite being superficially opposed to it.

Trans is the logical extension of the idea that mankind ought to control nature. Modern science had no choice but to eventually deny human nature and war on it, because modern science is essentially in a war against nature. Trans excess was inevitable – it is the expression of the inner logic of modern scientific civilization as it realizes all its implications in time and in all social dimensions.

(Of course, the previous persecution, legal and social, of gay and trans people in Western societies, which was cruel and unjust, is also a driver of the current excesses of the trans movement, and a sane and moral political order would treat such people with respect without giving rise to the current excesses).

It’s a huge mistake to think that trans is driven primarily by the agitations and activism of trans people themselves in a merely self-interested fashion – it is an imperative of modern scientific culture as such, and has been enthusiastically taken up by the leading edge of modern scientific civilization for that very reason, well outside the trans community. Kids have to start “choosing” their gender as an affirmation of modern scientific civilization. The issue is far beyond merely the trans movement and has garnered sympathy nearly everywhere modern scientific civilization holds sway.

Some parts of the world, like China, are currently preoccupied with other aspects of the modern scientific agenda of total control – but only a short-sighted fool would not realize that this is merely a temporary difference in emphasis.

The right will eventually come to terms with trans – in 20 years, the right will actually be defending trans against whatever the new cutting edge extension of the war on nature takes us 🙂

The right is always just the left twenty years ago – mark my words, in 2043, assuming modern civilization hasn’t collapsed yet, right wingers will be screaming about how trans must be defended against whatever new shape the modern war against nature is taking 🙂

The left is just those people who more intelligently grasp the full implications of the premises of modern culture, and who have more courage and boldness in increasingly applying those premises – but the right always belatedly catches up.

I may be wrong, but I haven’t yet seen a simple articulation of the only coherent opposition to the (excesses of the) trans movement there can be – and that is because it can only make sense as part of a general critique of modern culture, which no one, right or left, is interested in doing lol.

The only real opposition to trans must come from the perspective that true human flourishing comes from aligning ourselves with forces outside ourselves that are larger than us, rather than imposing our will on everything – but that is to reject the basic premise of modern culture, and may open oneself up to all sorts of “crazy” realities that we have been determinedly closing our eyes to, like the existence of God, or heaven forbid, even fairies 🙂

The moralistic condemnation of the excesses of the trans movement is unintelligent. Trans is motivated by genuinely good people who are trying their best to apply their vision of what best leads to human flourishing – they genuinely think the path to happiness is to seperate ourselves from nature, and impose our will on it. And you can’t blame them – they are faithful servants of modern culture.

I know quite a few advocates of trans, and they are genuinely good people who are genuinely trying to advance the cause of human flourishing.

All one need do is calmly and sympathetically suggest an opposite view – that humans thrive when aligning ourselves with outside forces that are larger than us. It’s just that the implications of this are so much larger than mere trans, and no one is willing to do this lol.

Another major dimension of the issue is that modern civilization ascribes immense importance to our physical bodies. Therefore, our gender takes on enormous importance in determining our identities and our happiness.

A point of view that acknowledged the reality of larger forces outside ourselves with which we must align ourselves, would also acknowledge that “we” are more than just our bodies, and thus reduce the current extreme identification with mere physical gender. In this view, even though we ought not to fight our gender, our true identities are also so much beyond mere physical gender, or indeed our bodies, that it makes the current extreme preoccupation with our bodies seem senseless.

In the meantime, though, it’s amusing to find two factions who share the same basic premises and commitment to scientific civilization in an unintelligent fight over one faction not yet grasping the full implications of its philosophical commitment – to which it will eventually catch up.

Slava Biletskii!

This whole thing would be a lot more lively if Biletsky were President of Ukraine. On the other hand the intrigue level is already off the charts since Biltetsky effectively works for Zelensky. What a hoot!

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/08/16/zelensky-ukraines-notorious-neo-nazi/

The link name is nice click bait; they left out the word “and”. LOL. Is still an interesting article.

Not taking sides. But did you just compare a janitor taking home classified documents to a President?

The gray zone sometimes publishes great stuff.

This is OK. More evidence (overkill) Ukraine is a fake and gay country.

For many people, Eugenics stems from recognition that man has rejected one of nature’s greatest gifts (evolution) and in so doing is destroying its greatest result (intelligence, among others).

I agree that formal Eugenics is likely to be a disaster. Instead, the best way is to have a healthy society where parents realize and take responsibility for how their offspring turn out, at least on two out of three levels. Level one is nature, level two is nurture, level three is the ineffable.

One implication of the Eugenicist’s Dunning-Kruger problem is that someone smart enough to understand this may be wise enough to not tell anyone about it.

I wonder if Jewish people are the strongest supporters of genetic engineering since Jewish people are at higher risk of genetic degradation as a result of inbreeding due to the matrilineal foundation. They are somewhat trapped by this foundation with respect to natural eugenics, so human technological genetic modification efforts may be more attractive.

I’m not sure that Putler’s chef Prigozhin does egg bites? I’m still waiting for his cookbook to appear, where he features Pootie’s favorite bites. His chicken Kyiv recipe would have to be modified, as no chickens were ever found in that city.

I think that the new recipe should be called “chicken ala Moscow”?

Those quotes in the article are not his real quotes.That’s not what his ideology looks like (he is much, much more intelligent that those kinds of statements).

Oh, and, by the way, those are the last white men who were going to fight against mass immigration in Europe (which Westerners simply won’t do) and you’re clamoring for their death.

He did. John Johnson also claimed that Hitler was a military genius, much better than Putin – so the guy who lost the biggest war in history and destroyed his own nation is better than the guy who hasn’t lost a war yet and scares the West to high heavens.

Suffering from pathological hatred does that to people. Let’s take him as unpaid Unz entertainment.

Of course, parents try and mold and shape their children, as does the culture one is a part of, but the question is according to what values and what vision.

And it ought to be done with an understanding that the proper task of humanity is not to impose it’s solipsistic vision on the world, but discover an objective realm of values, to which it aligns oneself, but also creatively participates in manifesting.

Eugenicists are amusing not primarily because their formulas for control are so simple minded – gene x controls trait y, and the like – and not even because their model of human nature is so unintelligent – for instance, a typical eugenicist desire is to eliminate criminality, not realizing the same trait can express itself as creative innovation (defying inherited social formulas, all innovators are criminals) in other contexts.

No, I find eugenicists most amusing because of the vision they wish to mold humanity into – an intensification of the nihilism of modernity, a permanent left-hemisphere dominance, a narrowed intellectual and emotional range that is supposedly “optimized” to continue the project of control of nature but in fact would be cut off from any contact with reality and be incapable of creativity or joy.

Such an engineered race would commit mass suicide, as it would be cut off from the sources of all joy. Imagine a race of Anatoly Karlins.

I have not noticed any special propensity of Jews to favor eugenics – certainly not religious ones.

The people who favor eugenics come from all races and countries and are chiefly distinguished by a narrow intellectual and emotional style that imparts in them an obsession with controlling the physical world as a substitute for being able to enter into a joyous, creative relationship with it.

It’s not confined to any ethnic group.

Not taking sides. But did you just compare a janitor taking home classified documents to a President?

He is a Ukie Maximalist.

President Trump’s proven track record against foreign wars is anathema to them, much like sunlight on vampires. Ukie Max extremists must back the violent warmongering of Not-The-President Biden. It is their only hope for funding Kiev aggression against Christians.

The bizarre #NeverTrump distortions are laughable, but sadly inevitable.

PEACE 😇

I’ve lately been noticing an interesting development of the Right into greater nihilism, especially as it manifests in relation to the war in Ukraine.

The favored anti war arguments I am hearing lately from the Right is that the weaker should always submit to the stronger, the smaller can never win, and nothing is worth dying for – merely surviving as long as possible is the highest value.

I am struck by how much of a shift towards nihilism this represents in the Right from when I was a kid.

Funnily enough, one of the foundation myths of Western civilization is the Battle of Thermopylae – not only did the weaker side score a sensational victory over an overwhelmingly larger foe, but it was considered noble and worthwhile to die for liberty in a fight against an Oriental despot – so much so that it became the basis for a civilization-defining ethic and an inspiration to countless future generations.

The current Rights attitude is an indication of how far even those who style themselves the custodians of the Western heritage have moved away from its spirit and source, and illustrates well the evisceration of Western culture accomplished by the forces of mechanization and reductionist science.

For make no mistake: this attitude is nothing but the nihilistic values of the mechanistic conception of reality.

Please understand, I’m not discussing here the rightness or wrongness of the war, only the very interesting arguments that I increasingly see the Right choose, out of all the potential and possible reasons one might have for opposing Ukrainian self defense.

From what I remember as a kid, it was the Left that was far more likely to be nihilistic, prioritize mere physical survival above all, and exhibit a characteristically mechanical vision of life.

…Here is the vote:

China, India and about 40 other countries voted against it – technically they ‘abstained’, but everyone knows what that means in today’s hysteria. That would be about half on mankind. You have Kiribati and Palau in your corner, great job…I wonder what would Palau say about the Nato previous wars on Serbia, Iraq…would they approve or denounce? Or is in effect someone else voting for them? That’s why UN is a joke.

Saying that Hitler had war acumen does not make one an admirer.

I in fact detest Hitler apologists as his actions ultimately expanded the USSR

Sure, if you say so. We can see where you sympathies lie: “Hitler was great at war! Putin is a filthy dwarf!” You are not that hard to read, don’t run away from it. I am pretty sure you are also a fan of Bandera (homo as was Hitler and half of his initial followers). Drang nach Osten!!! This time, maybe…or probably not.

I don’t support the mass murder of anyone

Did you support the mass murder of 2-3,000 Russian civilians in Donbas by Kiev post-Maidan? The burning of 49 Russians in Odessa in May 2014? The thousands of dead Iraqis, Serbs and others? If you didn’t, what exactly did you do about it? What happened to the perpetrators?

Don’t lie – tell us whether you were ok with that mass murder and that you are only bothered by victims of Russia. Precious display of your “values” -no wonder you guys are hiding from any open discussion.

Putin cannot win this war based on his original goals. NATO already expanded via Finland. The best he can hope for is a piece of Ukraine

Taking 20% of Ukraine would be a win by Russia. But you say they originally wanted more. The four goals that Russia listed at the beginning were:
– liberate and protect the Russians in Ukraine – with the 20% land gain that is 80-90% done

– neutral Ukraine outside of Nato – so far Kiev is outside Nato, let’s see how that gets negotiated

– demilitarization of Ukraine: with a few 100k Ukie casualties that is a work-in-progress, at this rate by next year there will be very few military age men willing to fight left

– denazification: let’s assume that Russia fails and Ukraine becomes a Nazi haven with SS symbols and marches, Bandera monuments, etc… How do you think that will play abroad in the long run? Do you think the Poles – or any other Western country and Izrael – will proudly play games at Bandera stadiums, their ambassadors will attend the SS-like nationalist torch parades, and the history books will be rewritten to take out Babi Yar and Volyn massacres and celebrate the Galician fascists who fought on the Nazi side?

That is almost worse than having Russia succeeds in the De-nazification. In the long run that would destroy what is left of the rump-Ukraine.

Those were the four objectives, all else was an attempt to get Kiev to negotiate seriously. So you can make up non-existent goals like Russia wanted to occupy Lviv or even Bretagne, but that just shows your despeartion. You have no rational arguments left.

Great news!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/business/starbucks-payment-racial-discrimination-white/index.html

Whites should also sue for gigantic payouts whenever they get fired for being white!

The concepts of Right and Left are pretty much dead. Let me recap — The old paradigm was like this:
    • Left — Progressive, Labour, High Taxes, Foreign Wars
    • Right — Corporate, Open Borders

The permanent change Trump made is rearranging the sides:
    ♦ Populist — MAGA, Labour, Low Taxes, Reindustrialization
    ♦ Globalist — Corporate, Progressive, Open Borders, Foreign Wars

development of the Right into greater nihilism, especially as it manifests in relation to the war in Ukraine.

The Judeo-Christian Populist desire for peace is highly hopeful. The opposite of nihilism. America should have never backed the folly of Kiev agression. This is recognizing error and taking corrective action, which is a winning & constructive outlook.

I suppose you can go with the Corporatist belief, “Fight to the last Ukrainian“. This is a very nihilistic & suicidal mindset. However that is a Globalist belief system, which is not Right wing. If you insist on sticking an old school label to this self destructive behaviour, it would be Leftoid nihilism.

PEACE 😇

Your understanding of nihilism is pretty juvenile. We are all fascists now. The fat lady sang in 1989.

I wouldn’t roubles until at least 150 to the USD. 200 would be safer.

Definitely agree that right vs left has increasingly lost utility as a way to organize the political landscape, although I’m not sure I’d agree that your substitutes capture anything more than one dimension of our political divisions.

Look, if you want to argue that Ukraine was really the aggressor, or that the West was trying to destroy Russia, I may not agree with you, but I wouldn’t call your arguments nihilistic.

I’m specifically talking about only certain anti war arguments that seem to me increasingly prominent on the Right which are nihilistic and against the core spirit of Western civilization as it has existed since ancient Greece won it’s liberty from an Oriental despot.

This “fight to the last Ukrainian” comes very close to that nihilistic mentality – the smaller has no chance of winning against the bigger, and nothing is worth dying for, and it foregrounds loss of life as the salient dimension “on its own” instead of situating loss of life within a larger context of values, which every previous civilization before modernity understood as the proper way to understand loss of life in war.

I mean, did the 300 Spartans talk about “fighting to the last Spartan”?

Now, it may be that in this particular case, the Ukraine side has got it wrong – that’s a different argument.

We are all nihilists now, left, right, and everything in between and beyond.

Maybe the emerging political and social divide that has genuine salience is between the nihilists and those who see a universe of intrinsic value and telos, rather than the increasingly petty squabbles between left and right over how exactly to define the contours of their shared nihilism and what precise social ramifications their nihilism should have.

Yes, the more I think about it, the more I’m convinced all other political divisions fade into insignificance beside that great question.

Whether we should all go full right hemisphere or not, you are admitting the excesses of the trans fashion. But those excesses are far from simple eccentricities. They involve irreversible damage to an ever increasing number of minors carried out by adult activists and grifters (read Abigail Shrier’s book). So how about we start by stopping those excesses and then we see what further philosophical changes we need to prevent other type of excesses? The majority of my comments here revolve around the need to change our mentality to avoid wars and eventual Armaggedon so I’m not opposed to radical changes.

I don’t think we’ve closed our eyes to the existence of fairies in the same way that we haven’t closed our eyes to the existence of Santa Claus. We’ve just put both in the realm where they belong. In fact, I find it very debatable that we should continue to lie to our children about the existence of the latter only to have to eventually to confess to them that it was all an adult hoax. I was one of those children who felt deeply disappointed in his parents when he learnt the reality.

Btw, where have you been, lone ranger? Lost in the wilderness or just busy with left brain matters?

But none of this can occur as part of a thought out political program whose principles are efficiency and logic

Sounds to me as if you are saying, “Keep it in folklore and legend! Let it lie in poetry! (Not popular today, not to forget a lot of it was satire) And grow organically and gain supporters from there.”

I must admit that I find this poem by Kipling somewhat insipid:
https://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/bells_and_queen.html

How many good kings were there in Shakespeare? Perhaps, one?

Even the legend of Camelot has its dark aspects.

I quite like Théoden, but he would have been killed in the first charge.

“nothing is worth dying for”

There is a world of a difference between dying and killing for something. And killing innocent people for that something is the ultimate departure from the altruistic ideals you seem to defend. A good part of the Western left correctly understood all this after the countercultural movement of the 60s-70s but it’s you who is going full reactionary here. Part of the American right is now slowly catching up after the repeated fiascos of the last 20 years of interventionism and you castigate them for not being all that coherent in their formulations.

I don’t think we’ve closed our eyes to the existence of fairies in the same way that we haven’t closed our eyes to the existence of Santa Claus.

Father Christmas is obsolete. He has been replaced for the time being with debt as we borrow and spend trillions dollars from our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and beyond.

If we are really really really lucky the death panels will take it easy on us.

Look, I’d agree with you that we should immediately stop all the crazy trans excesses precisely because of the irreversible damage done to kids, and just the general damage it does to many psyches and to the fabric of the culture, but my point is that it only looks like excesses if you step outside the perspective of modern scientific civilization. From within that perspective, it looks like an imperative, an experiment that must be made – even that’s not quite rightly put, rather, it looks like an absolutely inevitably next step on the march of that civilization.

So you don’t have to convert me – but I don’t think you’ll get much traction among the larger culture, especially its elite leading edge, so long as its dominant assumptions are those of modern scientific civilization.

And I think that’s a highly significant point, because it means you can’t successfully isolate the trans craziness from its wider context in the dominant culture and treat it on its own – indeed, I think treating symptoms of modernity in isolation is doomed to failure, because they are all part of a “package” that stand or fall together.

Of course, there may be individuals like yourself who have only partially assimilated the package, and have not fully explored all its ramifications – but the people who have most fully embraced the dominant cultural package, and most extensively explored it’s implications, will always be the ones who most define the culture and develop it in the direction it is inevitably going.

In other words, I don’t think this is a mere fad, but a legitimate – an inevitable – expression of the true spirit of our civilization. Of course I’m confident the trans mania will ultimately pass, but only as part of a general weakening of the hold modern scientific civilization has on our minds – which I do see happening.

Claiming fairies exist – and they do 🙂 – is a different kind of claim than that Santa specifically brings presents during Christmas by riding down the chimney. For millennia, mankind has percieved numinous spiritual “presences” in and behind natural phenomena with the compelling immediacy of any other contact with the external world we may have, and has given poetic expression to this experience of reality through a range of magical beings.

Considering that even logic cannot “ground” itself, but all our knowledge of reality must take the shape of a commitment, and derive from direct contact with reality, one grasps that belief in fairies is not on a different epistemological footing than any other claimed knowledge.

Rather, “fairies” have in modern culture totemic force – rejecting them signifies an ideological commitment to materialism, a dogmatic refusal to consider real anything other than what is revealed by scientific measurement.

The full argument for fairies would require a survey of metaphysics, epistemology, the inadequacies of materialistic explanations, and also scientific discoveries, some of them emerging, revealing that the organization and behavior of the universe can only suggest conscious purpose and a spiritual dimension not percieved by crude empirical methods but nevertheless as real as anything we can know.

Sadly, I have not been out in the wilderness yet but only dealing with dreary left-hemisphere problems as you so aptly put it 🙂 Alas!

I expect to embark on my next chapter of the Great Walkabout late next week if everything goes well.

So actually, I am being much more radical and bold than that 🙂

I’m saying – bring folklore and legend into reality! Make it real!

Instead of trying to create an efficient political order, let’s create an enchanted political order.

Perhaps our difference here is that for me, poetry is more real than the – so called – physical realm, which reputedly exists 🙂

To have a King, let’s just approach the world in a radically different way, not as a question of logical efficiency, but as part of a program to elevate something other than logic and efficiency to the center of our lives.

To the ancients, the spiritual was more real than the material, which had only a kind of shadowy existence.

Yes, I’d agree that that’s also a legitimate argument that isn’t nihilistic, killing innocent civilians for a political cause is never legitimate or moral. That’s basic morality, agreed.

I’m not talking about that.

I’ve heard it said that it’s immoral for Ukraine to resist, because it’s weaker and will inevitably lose, and the loss of life will be futile, and I’ve also heard it said that even if there is a chance of successful resistance, it isn’t worth dying for, because surviving is more important than anything else.

These strike me as nihilistic arguments deeply at odds with the spirit of Western civilization.

And just in general I find there is a discussion of death in war that is detached from any notion that it can be noble and worthwhile, that the discussion ought to be situated in a context of larger values – a general sense that surviving in the body must always be the primary lens through which we view anything and our dominant value.

I’m not quite a pacifist, but I’ve previously expressed here enormous sympathy for pacifism, which I continue to hold – and my ideal is ultimate peace and amity between all people’s on the basis of equality.

I’m not celebrating war or offering an opinion on this one at the moment – but even war has a spiritual dimension, and one may oppose it out of cowardice, nihilism, or good moral and spiritual reasons.

I may be wrong, but I haven’t yet seen a simple articulation of the only coherent opposition to the (excesses of the) trans movement there can be

There is Mary Harrington. In ‘Feminism Against Progress’ her recent book she has the ‘Cyborg Theocracy’ and ‘Meat Lego’ chapters which cover trans and the way the current iteration of the Cyborg Theocracy began with post war liberal feminism and then the pill in the 60s, and trans is just its latest logical step. Otherwise she traces it back further to the industrial revolution and scientific revolutions.

There is a memorable bit where she questions people for looking back to the 1950s and suggests it is better to seek inspiration in the 1450s, which is quite based.

I’ve heard Yarvin in some interviews talking about China or the IIIrd Reich etc. as monarchies, or corporate executives as if they are like monarchs. It makes it sound like he is just talking about some sort of more authoritarian or personalist form of government in general, as opposed to hereditary monarchy in particular.

Afaik he is a reader of Pareto, Mosca, the Italian elite theorists, so I guess he shares the general idea of the ‘iron law of oligarchy’, and the idea that most of politics is driven by irrational, instinctive forces and impulses that are only rationalised after the fact.

This is where something like political myth can become important, the kind of motivating vision or narrative that appeals emotionally and can move the collective will. Progressives seem to grasp this stuff better at the moment.

I don’t think Yarvin is good at creating an inspirational political myth from his ideas, which limits the impact.

I am pretty sure you are also a fan of Bandera (homo

Bandera was a monster but he was not a homosexual. He was married with three children. How many do you have?

“I don’t support the mass murder of anyone”

Did you support the mass murder of 2-3,000 Russian civilians in Donbas by Kiev post-Maidan?

Civilian casualties of a war created by Russia. Some would be considered murdered, most were not.

Unless you think every civilian killed in every war was murdered? Do you? Then at least you would be consistent.

The burning of 49 Russians in Odessa in May 2014?

You lie about the numbers as usual. 42 were killed in the Trade Union building. The first person who was killed that day was a pro-Ukrainian, shot dead at a demonstration by pro-Russians. The Russians decided to turn that day deadly, but they lost. You were very fond of speaking of consequences, remember?

Taking 20% of Ukraine would be a win by Russia.

Not if the other 80% joins EU/NATO and erases Russian culture and language from its territory. Combined with Russian military and economic losses such as result would be a draw at best.

The four goals that Russia listed at the beginning were:
– liberate and protect the Russians in Ukraine – with the 20% land gain that is 80-90% done

The 20% includes lands that Russia already had before the 2022 invasion – Crimea and Donestsk.
Russia has not gained many additional ethnic Russians in 2022-2023. Some in Mariupol, sure (ones that Russia didn’t kill while seizing the city) but the Kherson and Zaporizhia countrysides are populated by ethnic Ukrainians. Kherson oblast was 82% Ukrainian.

Meanwhile the conditions are set up for the complete disappearance of Russian language and culture from Ukraine. Many people still speak it out of habit (and are free to to do so), one can watch videos of Russian-speaking Ukrainian soldiers shooting down Russian helicopters and cursing the Rusiains in the Russian language – but the schools are finished, the media are finished, etc.

– neutral Ukraine outside of Nato – so far Kiev is outside Nato, let’s see how that gets negotiated

Indeed we’ll see. If not NATO, then likely EU, or some treaties with UK, USA, Poland. No neutrality. An Ukraine certainly cooperates and trains much more closely with NATO now, than before the war.

– demilitarization of Ukraine: with a few 100k Ukie casualties that is a work-in-progress, at this rate by next year there will be very few military age men willing to fight left

There will be enough soldiers, as wounded recover, teenagers grow up, etc.

The Ukrainian military is far better armed, stronger, larger, more experienced etc. than before the war. The Russian military is far more depleted and demoralized than it was before. So Ukraine’s military has improved not only in comparison to how it was before the war, but also relative to Russia’s.

Prior to the invasion the Ukrainian military had 250,000 or so soldiers armed with its own Soviet-era and post-Soviet equipment, a few Javelin systems, hundreds of tanks, some drones, and several dozens of its excellent short-range domestic missiles. Now it has over 700,000 troops, more tanks than before the war, swarms of drones, far more and better missiles systems and large numbers of state-of-the-art longer-ranged artillery.

Demilitarized? Lol.

– denazification: let’s assume that Russia fails and Ukraine becomes a Nazi haven with SS symbols and marches, Bandera monuments, etc…

Since Russia is the one whose goal is de-Nazification, Nazism in the context of Russian goals for the war should have a Russian definition.

By Russian terms, any Ukrainian nationalists, even moderate ones of non-Ukrainian ethnicity such as Zelensky, are considered to be Nazis. Not only Bandera or Azov. De-Nazification as a Russian goal meant the installation of someone like Medvedchuk as president of Ukraine. An anti-nationalist, Lukashenko-like figure. Thanks to this war, Russia ids despised everywhere in Ukraine. Kiev is as fiercely nationalistic if not more so than Galicia had been. Even Kharkiv and Odessa have become nationalistic. Funny quote from some central of eastern Ukrainian: “Putin has done what the Ukrainian nationalists have failed to do for 30 years – convinced us that Bandera was right about Russia.”

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The war is far from over, but so far none of the Russian prewar goals have been achieved and in all cases the Russian goals are further from reality than they had been before. And as an added insult it has depleted much of its military and, its foreign reserves, its economy.

But, as a consolation for all of these failures, Russia (so far, perhaps) has gained the Crimean corridor.

let’s create an enchanted political order.

Now that is a slogan a royalist could crib!

But I still think you need a system to compete with a system, especially in politics which is about power. You need to try to keep out the bad people and encourage the good. Even if it is voluntary you need to get people to “sign on”, and I think a system would help with that. And historical dynasties had systems. I don’t know if this is tantamount to scientism, in itself, even if we made a more detailed or aspirational one.

To the ancients, the spiritual was more real than the material, which had only a kind of shadowy existence.

I’m not sure to what degree the idea is traditional, but one of my favorite things about Japanese culture is the idea that yokai can only be seen by certain people.

Thanks.

Trans mania definitely seems like it’s a logical extension of the industrial and scientific revolutions – we forget, too, that in the 17th century English philosopher John Locke invented the notion of the Blank Slate, which was an obvious concomitant of the scientific revolution and has become the master-idea of modern scientific civilization.

A young niece of mine, who was always interested in boys, has suddenly decided she’s gay. A close friend of hers I believe has decided she is a “they”. They are obviously just unhappy people in the modern wasteland looking for meaning.

But my niece made a revealing comment – she said human conflict is so silly, because we humans should all be banding together to fight natural forces like earthquakes and floods. Clearly, she sees humans as in some kind of war against nature – which is no less than the dominant modern paradigm she has been taught.

It’s unsurprising within that context that she’d start warring on her natural sexual orientation.

For me, part of what’s wrong with this whole issue is it’s intense preoccupation with the body as the locus of identity – in any sane, healthy older spiritual tradition, it’s understood that our true identities and ultimate fate are beyond this physical body. That doesn’t have to lead to neglect of the physical realm, and the best spiritualities approach the Divine through the physical, but it does lessen preoccupation with things like gender.

So in a weird way, far from denying gender, our current attitudes consider it more important than any previous society – and because it’s so important, we have to be the ones to determine it 🙂

I do think it’s highly useful and even necessary for a society to periodically reexamine it’s socially constructed gender roles – for instance, older American notions of masculinity, where say a “real man” isn’t interested in poetry, are obviously impoverishing and oppressive, and silly. But that’s quite a different thing.

I like the notion of a Cyborg Theocracy – I’m starting to challenge my long held belief and the popular and widespread notion that modernity is disenchanted.

Instead, we may just be mis-enchanted. Far from stripping the sacred from the world, we’ve located the sacred in all sorts of terrible places, like capitalism, for instance.

More and more modern phenomena seem to me to be ideological commitments and dogmatic attachments that have a decidedly religious flavor.

Back to 1450? I’d rather return to the mystical world of the Gospels and the early Father’s, whose message was soon overshadowed by the exigencies of politics and money and never really entered the mainstream, and try that for once.

if you want to argue that Ukraine was really the aggressor, or that the West was trying to destroy Russia, I may not agree with you, but I wouldn’t call your arguments nihilistic.

Something similar, though “Destroy Russia” is a bit too far. The most Globalist factions in Europe manipulated the situation. Zelensky campaigned on making a deal. Immediately after taking office he abandoned the idea of peace and began beating the war drum. The implication is that he was bribed or blackmailed.

I’m specifically talking about only certain anti war arguments that seem to me increasingly prominent on the Right which are nihilistic

I am still lost by what you mean by “prominent on the Right”:

• Are you talking about individuals like George Will, Bill Kristol, and their peers? Those are now NeoConDemocrat voices “prominent on the Left”.
• In your terminology are establishment RINO’s “prominent”? I would score McConnell as a shambolic relic headed out to pasture, not a prominent thinker.
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On the MAGA Populist side, the anti-war arguments are largely based on the fact that the Ukrainian people have been mislead. The poor suckers being put on the line are not fighting for Ukraine. I would state that they are dying for Scholz & Macron’s nihilistic European Empire. Others would accuse more general SJW Globalist influences.

The best thing that the Ukrainian people can do for the nation of Ukraine is seek an immediate armistice. Judeo-Christian lives on both sides will be saved. The penalty for being suckered by the European WEF is winding up with less than the Minsk deal that was on offer a couple years ago. That is unfortunate for Ukraine, but not nihilistic.

PEACE 😇

Eh, I’m mostly talking about the anti war arguments I see on Unz, mostly on Steve Sailer blog but not exclusively.

I’m not claiming every possible argument against Ukraine defending itself is necessarily nihilistic, only some particular ones – and perhaps I’m also pointing out a general “atmosphere” of nihilism that I think I detect in the conversation, where the emphasis seems to be loss of life detached from any context of higher values.

The claim that Ukrainians are too stupid and incompetent to make mature decisions and are mere playthings in the hands of international manipulators strikes me as dangerously close to nihilism, even if I don’t know if I’d fully classify it that way.

First, it strips an entire nation of moral agency and dignity, and second, it suggests that moral and spiritual factors play minimal roles in human affairs, and affirms “managerialism” as a philosophy, which is essentially nihilistic.

But one of the most fascinating things about this argument is that you’re trying to convince a people who believe they are fighting for autonomy and independence to lay down their arms by confirming that your “side” sees them as too childish and immature to think for themselves 🙂

Even if you think they’re being brainwashed, it’s almost breathtaking in it’s autistic tone-deafness.

These people are basically saying, the other side is overbearing and oppressive – and you’re responding, no, no,you silly little children, you just are too stupid and childish to know what you want, I know better than you, you’re just easily manipulated by clever foreigners who you’re no match for 🙂 I’ll take care of you.

They believe, rightly or wrongly, that they’re fighting for dignity – and you’re responding by adopting a paternalistic, condescending, and emasculating tone.

I mean, I understand psychological warfare and undermining enemy resolve, but what exactly is this I can’t imagine.

Frankly it’s bizarre and grotesque, and I don’t remember seeing this kind of thing in previous wars – I think it must be connected to an increasingly “mechanical” attitude which doesn’t understand emotion or the dimension of values, and is also reflected in the bizarre focus on mere physical survival detached from any consideration of values one might be prepared to die for.

Overall, I think the discussion surrounding this war presents some truly novel and distinctive features which can only reflect a significant leap in the mechanical style of thinking that is characteristic of modernity.

I think future historians will find the rhetoric surrounding this war demonstrates a genuine shift in consciousness, or an intensification of latent trends of thought that are distinctive features of our time.

Sure, every social system has to have practical arrangements, but they don’t have to dominate the system, they can be flexible, and the system can have significant poetic features that raise consciousness and don’t reflect a preoccupation with efficiency.

The best King would not rule by coercion, but by enthusiastic and voluntary assent to moral and spiritual leadership.

As for the Yokai, yes, I believe the fairy lore of Europe also says that only certain people have the “sight” – and in general, one must enter into a closer relationship with nature than most modern people are capable of.

I think it highly likely that some realities can only be seen by certain people who are especially receptive, just as some mathematical formulas can only be understood by some intellects. It stands to reason.

Mystics have always claimed that the experience of God requires moral purification and detachment from material things – and can those unwilling to try the experiment, reasonably gainsay them?

I myself am quite certain that my increasing contact with nature – longer than ever before in my life – has made my experience of it richer and deeper, and has made apparent layers and depths to my engagement with nature that previously were latent but unrealized.

To cone into genuine contact with reality, lifestyle changes are generally necessary.

Fair enough. For the record, I’m not really against these Nationalist guys from what little I understand of them. I just don’t have enough information. I am generally against murderous thugs, but one person’s murderous thug is someone else’s savior. Who is who can be sorted out but not from a distance through a language barrier. I think both Biletsky as well as Zelensky’s backers signed up to be pawns in a proxy war against Russia. It is possible that both groups knew this and accepted their fate, even though most of their backers at Unz do not. I think all good people would be better off if these Ukrainians had said no to the proxy war.

My main point has always been that the very public connection between these NeoNazis and their philosemitic backers is so outrageous that it implies the reality of the Ukraine conflict is completely different from the public story. It is more bizarre than the actual German Nazis making common cause with the early Israelis before they claimed Palestine.

I posted the linked article to point out the contradiction of Jewish money supporting NeoNazis. I sympathize with your point about men fighting to protect what is right, I just think Ukraine is a bad example. The people in the West supporting this proxy war are the same people who want to bring in all the third world outsiders to wreck the place.

For the record, I’m not really against these Nationalist guys from what little I understand of them.

Do not mislead – you very much are. You have consistently wished death upon people in a foreign country who are defending themselves. At least be honest and stop beating around the bush.

I just don’t have enough information.

If you don’t have information, then why do you act as if you do and why do you spread false information that you haven’t checked and that you cannot prove? How would you feel if this was done to your family or the people in your county with a threat of overwhelming violence hanging over them?

I am generally against murderous thugs

You’re not. Because if you were, you’d be against Russian occupiers or the Wagner company. But you have been exactly the opposite – you have encouraged murderous thugs and egged them on.

but one person’s murderous thug is someone else’s savior.

It is not like that at all in this case – do not relativize. Andriy is defending his homeland (literally his property, because he owns acreage in Kharkiv region) and he is defending his people. A thug is someone who breaks into another’s property, attacks someone in their home or in their space – do not muddy the waters here. It is very clear who is who in this picture.

I think both Biletsky as well as Zelensky’s backers signed up to be pawns in a proxy war against Russia.

Biletsky is no pawn, he knew years ahead that Crimea could be annexed.

I think all good people would be better off if these Ukrainians had said no to the proxy war.

Best would’ve been if Ukraine had had a stronger deterrent – that its military industrial complex had not been compromised by Russian agents, and their own complacency. Andriy has fought against both of these things with all he has. The Western governments, too, played a role in disarming everyone around RusFed while letting RusFed militarize.

My main point has always been that the very public connection between these NeoNazis and their philosemitic backers is so outrageous that it implies the reality of the Ukraine conflict is completely different from the public story.

Could it be because they are not really “Neo-Nazis” as you claim they are?

Andriy is loved by his people (including many women) so when you are attacking and maligning Andriy, you’re attacking his people and the many folks across the EE who support him.

I posted the linked article to point out the contradiction of Jewish money supporting NeoNazis.

The Jews who have supported Ukrainian defenders have done it because either they are native Jews (so they defend the country they have lived in their whole life) or because they have businesses that they want to defend from the RusFedian asset grabbers (some of whom might also be Jews).

I sympathize with your point about men fighting to protect what is right, I just think Ukraine is a bad example.

No, Ukraine is a very good example. Not only are they fighting to defend themselves and other EEs, but they would have fought for retaining a native Europe. These were the last men on the planet who would’ve done that.

When Andriy was in charge of Mariupol it was a thriving Slavic city. Now it is in ruins, with the distinct Eastern Euro culture gone forever, and full of Central Asians and Caucasians.

For me, part of what’s wrong with this whole issue[trans mania] is it’s intense preoccupation with the body as the locus of identity – in any sane, healthy older spiritual tradition, it’s understood that our true identities and ultimate fate are beyond this physical body.

I think that you partially have things backwards on this issue.

On the one hand, yes, there is this intense focus on the physical body.

However, the gnostic (?) idea that the physical world is somehow bad, evil, or imperfect in comparison to the spiritual and that our “true” identity is not physical works very well with the trans mania. If the boy feels inside that he is actually a girl then the physical reality that he is not can simply be rejected as a manifestation of the real world’s false nature, and his body altered and mutilated to correspond to the “true” sex, the one he has an idea of being.

For the trans person, the focus on the physical body is primarily a rejection of it, a view of it as imperfect and wrong, something that must be changed to correspond to the higher idea of what the body ought to be. The castration that accompanies such mutilation is in a way the ultimate rejection of the physical world, by removing one’s physical traces from it.

Biletsky has an excellent pedigree:

Biletsky’s father Yevheniy Mykhailovych Biletsky hailed from an old Cossack family that founded the village of Krasnopavlivka (Lozova Raion), while Biletsky’s mother Olena Anatoliyivna Biletsky (née Lukashevych) descended from a noble family from Zhytomyr region, to which belong the Decembrist Vasiliy Lukashevich (Vasyl Lukashevych) who founded the “Little-Russian Secret Society”

As for the infamous quote, he claims that Lavrov made it up about him:

https://gordonua.com/publications/bileckiy-polovina-lyudey-kotorie-voyevali-za-ukrainu-razgovarivaet-na-russkom-jazike-507346.html

Это заявление прозвучало во время одного из международных форумов из уст [Сергея] Лаврова, министра иностранных дел Российской Федерации. Он первый произнес эту ахинею, даже не объясняя, где он это взял. И все потом начали на нее ссылаться. Происхождение этой фразы вообще непонятно. Нет ни одного источника. Это сказал Лавров, так что, извините, это его цитата, а не моя. Ко мне эта ахинея отношения не имеет.

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But what do you make of his possible associations with paganism or worse? Azov has had an infestation of people who celebrate rather dark forces.

Происхождение этой фразы вообще непонятно.

That’s the question – where was it taken from? He was radical in his youth (some nationalists are that way when they’re young) but there is very little evidence left of the newspaper that the Patriot of Ukraine (Andriy’s old org) ran back in the day. Sure, the newspaper was somewhat radical, it was pro-White, of course, but I doubt it was praising Hitler or anything like that. The quote doesn’t sound like him at all, even from his earlier days (this would now be 15 or more years ago). It may have been another member of that group who wrote it, if it’s even real.

My point was that in the last 10 or so years he has not spoken in that way (if ever at all). Of course, he’s pro-White but he doesn’t support eliminating other races, just trying to preserve European homogeneity. He’s also not all that anti-Semitic, compared to other Slavic nationalists.

It’s part of the infowar that such a quote keeps being spread around, when his essence as well as his level of intellect are much higher than that.

But what do you make of his possible associations with paganism

There is nothing wrong with paganism, he comes from a secular environment in the East, and it is not uncommon for some of those nationalists with that background to gravitate more towards the Ancestral Faith. The trend in the last few years with the younger crowd has also been towards Nordic traditions.

However, the paganism that they are attracted to is not fully authentic, but a kind of a masculinized version of it. It is a kind of a “young man’s” paganism in Eastern Ukraine, whereas for example in the Baltic States it is followed by a slightly older and a somewhat more refined (and mellow) crowd. I think it is this youthful, masculine and slightly aggressive energy is what some find scary. The cult of strength, etc. And it is combined with the love for their country.

The Patriot of Ukraine at one point did have a slightly pagan vibe, but I think Biletsky is mostly agnostic. Frankly, I wonder about that and where he receives strength from, given what he has been through recently, seeing his closest companions die.

Trans mania definitely seems like it’s a logical extension of the industrial and scientific revolutions – we forget, too, that in the 17th century English philosopher John Locke invented the notion of the Blank Slate, which was an obvious concomitant of the scientific revolution and has become the master-idea of modern scientific civilization.

Descartes might be another reference point, with the introduction of the strong mind/body distinction into European thinking. And iirc Locke also had the idea of the body as property. Later on there was a core aspiration of Marxism, that the natural world could be endlessly reshaped to fit with human desires, but also human nature itself.

So there have been these tendencies towards disembodiment in modern thought for a long time.

Imo though Mary Harrington is right in seeing trans as something that is more specifically rooted in the post-1945 West where you had the convergence of some important trends, post-war consumer society and technological development, changes in industry and the economy favouring female participation, then the rise of the women’s liberation movement within capitalism.

The British philosopher Kathleen Stock has a good book about the background to trans thought called ‘Material Girls’, she describes some of the major trends in post-war feminism where there is a phenomena of taking those older progressive tendencies towards disembodiment and radical change of the material world to extremes. Also adopting some of the totalizing oppositional structure typical of Marxism as a way of understanding relations between the sexes. I was surprised by how mainstream some of these ideas are in that sphere.

I like the notion of a Cyborg Theocracy – I’m starting to challenge my long held belief and the popular and widespread notion that modernity is disenchanted.

Instead, we may just be mis-enchanted. Far from stripping the sacred from the world, we’ve located the sacred in all sorts of terrible places, like capitalism, for instance.

I found reading a bit about Hegel to be interesting on this question, his idea that Progress and History (the dialectic acting through time) must tend in the direction of eliminating transcendence and bringing the kingdom of heaven down to earth. He has some explanation of why this has to be so, drawing on ideas from Kant about how this sort of Progress is built into the structure of the human mind and reason itself.

I think it can produce a weird spiritualization effect on what is political and apparently secular. Like when the state is being discussed, someone influenced by Hegelian thought may be thinking more of ‘The State’, something that is the externalisation of human reason and the realisation of a moral and ethical ideal.

We were talking about Carl Schmitt a while ago, but his familiarity with this tendency in German philosophy must have influenced his book ‘Political Theology’, where he points out the theological structures lying behind the political thinking of modernity.

Zelensky campaigned on making a deal. Immediately after taking office he abandoned the idea of peace and began beating the war drum. The implication is that he was bribed or blackmailed.

Bribed or blackmailed? Only in your conspiracy theory ladened world is this true. Any proof of this, yet another of your wild-eyed ideas? Zelensky’s “war drum” didn’t actually begin till after the invasion on 02/24. Up until then he somehow foolishly thought that an impending invasion by Russia was not imminent.

I’m not celebrating war or offering an opinion on this one at the moment

Nobody is asking you to celebrate war, but as you’ve obviously already invested a lot of your time into thinking about this war, why not come forward and let us know what you really think about it?

but even war has a spiritual dimension, and one may oppose it out of cowardice, nihilism, or good moral and spiritual reasons.

Or of course one could also take the moral high road and decide to defend one’s family, neighbors and country from an evil and uninvited aggressor whose daily routine involves the bombing and maiming of civilians as a way of trying to manipulate the outcome of this war.

Russia has to either initiate an offensive or there will be the greater likelihood of a prolonged conflict.

Ukraine Offensive’s NEW Strategy – HOPE? w/Scott Ritter

Ultimately, some people can be proven right, while having been off on the timing.

I understand your position. You do not understand mine. Have a nice life.

I don’t think we reach the denouement until several questions are answered.

What percentage of Ukrainian citizens would favor capitulation at this point? Is this enough for a stable post-SMO Ukraine?

What percentage of NeoNazis and NATO assets have been driven out or destroyed? Is this enough to meet Russian goals?

What is going on with the ruble and how much does the Kremlin care about this?

Various Western pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia forces are starting to talk negotiated settlement. What settlement would Russia accept? Who would guarantee this settlement other than the Russian military?

What is the escape route for people like Nuland and Blinken?

Who is Putin’s successor?

For millennia, mankind has percieved numinous spiritual “presences” in and behind natural phenomena with the compelling immediacy of any other contact with the external world we may have

To say that the human mind has a very fertile imagination is an understatement. For millennia that was useful to make sense of the world around us, another essential longing of the human nature. But we now understand that magical products of our imagination are superfluous and unnecessary to explain the world. Which is good in our quest to thrive as a species. How could we ignore this obvious advantage and continue being true to ourselves?

Come back to check on us when you return from your late summer walkabout. You always energize the discussions here when they appear to reach dead ends and points of no return. If you finally gather the energy to try the HSR a report would be great. I’d be more interested in the mosquitos than the fairies though:)

Eh, I’m mostly talking about the anti war arguments I see on Unz, mostly on Steve Sailer blog but not exclusively.

I rarely read Sailer. Defining him and the bloggers posting there as “prominent Right” seems like a reach. I suggest that you have been led astray by finding nihilism in a tiny corner of a tiny room that is largely unused.

The bulk of the pro-peace crowd wants the war to end for the right reasons. Ukie aggression was immoral. Forcing Moscow into a fight was senseless. How is calling for an end to combat nihilistic? Just the opposite, your position that there must be a forever war is the nihilistic one.

They believe, rightly or wrongly, that they’re fighting for dignity.

That is true of both sides in most wars. I would never disrespect the individual fighters with true belief in their heart. Immortality is much higher in the command structure where authority & agency exists to make the big decisions about the conducting the war.

Let us take the U.S. Civil War as an example. Southern troops, and the civilians who backed them, believed that they were fighting for dignity. How would “Fighting to the last Southerner” help? Was the it nihilistic for the Confederates to capitulate while some of them were still alive?
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Russia believes, rightly or wrongly, that they’re fighting for dignity. Having seen what Northern carpet baggers did in the South after the U.S. Civil War — Are you really suggesting that Russia should turn their fellow ethnics in Donbas over to post-war Ukie carpet baggers? At this point, morality compels Russia to keep the bulk of land on their side of the line.
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As more general question. Consider, two sides convinced of their own need for dignity & morality are fighting.

Under your framework, how can it end without one (or possibly both) sides utterly ruined? Placing morality foremost is a hallmark of some of the religious wars in history. I understand why people fight for zealotry, but it rarely ends well.

Under the more dubious framework, enlightened self interest, both sides cut a deal ending the fighting. They walk away feeling morally wronged, but alive. And, with a situation that can last for some decades possibly longer. To me this seems like the better outcome.

I mean, I understand psychological warfare and undermining enemy resolve, but what exactly is this I can’t imagine.

Frankly it’s bizarre and grotesque, and I don’t remember seeing this kind of thing in previous wars

Ukiewood propaganda is cut from the same cloth as Pallywood propaganda. Both sides are trying to manufacture an immoral ‘victim card’ to play for gain. The new grotesque feature is that the propaganda is mostly for external consumption by 3rd parties. Ukie and Pali warmongers need outside resources to continue their immoral aggression. If they had to live within their means they would be forced away from zealotry towards rationality.

The presence of the internet also contributes. Propaganda options are available that make the 24×7 cable news deluge seem tame.

you’re responding by adopting a paternalistic, condescending, and emasculating tone

As I am neither a nihilist nor a Sailer reader, your mistaken assumptions are leading you to find something that doesn’t exist. As a Christian, my beliefs are the opposite of nihilism.

Your insistence that youth must futilely “Fight to the Last Ukrainian” is the paternalistic, condescending, and emasculating tone. Such immorality does not serve the Ukrainian people, even if the aggressive Kiev regime believes it does.

PEACE 😇

it isn’t worth dying for, because surviving is more important than anything else.

Survival is more important than anything else. That’s why Mother Nature put that primordial instinct at the forefront in our and all other species. But altruism and sacrifice for your close ones is also an essential part of our healthy nature. Let’s just keep those two natural instincts alive, without trying to impose them on abstract structures that are much more the product of our left brain than anything created by nature and we’ll probably be doing our best.

Some of Sailer’s commenters are the internet’s best. I would comment there more often but I am in the 24 hour minimum hold penalty box. I called one of his heroes a faggot.

Too bad but so what. The internet is a hollow shell of its good old days. : )

Your usual twists to deny the obvious. If Russia gets 20% of Ukraine, including Crimea and the Azov corridor they would have won the war. Period. If the rump-Ukraine then joins Nato we would have a permanent cold (or hot) war through the middle of Ukraine. That would make Nato-heads salivate with joy, but how does that benefit Ukraine?

Given that a neutral Ukraine was the top reason why Russia went to war it is more likely that even the rump-Ukraine would not be in Nato. It may get an enhanced association with EU (meaningless) but without the Nato security cover most businesses would be reluctant to invest.

…some treaties with UK, USA, Poland. No neutrality.

So then what are the current treaties and speeches? Can the declared support by UK, US, Poland be any more? How is a piece of paper going to change that? In this war the West has stayed away from actual fighting. Are you suggesting that with a “Treaty” they would join a war between Ukraine and Russia? If Yes then we would be looking at the same nuclear scenario that the West is trying to avoid – if No, then what would be the difference?

By Russian terms, any Ukrainian nationalists, even moderate ones of non-Ukrainian ethnicity such as Zelensky, are considered to be Nazis. Not only Bandera or Azov.

No, they are not, you are making it up. Russia has been very specific what they consider Nazism – celebration of WW2 Ukie collaborators with the Nazis. You like to make up boogeymen to avoid addressing reality. If the rump-Ukraine keeps celebrating Bandera and so de facto denying the Babi Yar, Volyn and the other massacres, they will suffer consequences from the West. Can you see a German team playing at the “Bandera” stadium. Or Poles, or Izrael? It is not only a Russian issue – it is toxic for Ukraine with the West.

Your defense of the Odessa massacre of Russians is simply sick. Let me remind you that in the Kristallnacht 91 Jews were killed – you playing with numbers and minimizing 49 Russians killed (or 42?) is pretty insane. By the way, the Kristallnacht was also a ‘revenge” for a German guy killed. You are really on thin ice defending the Odessa massacre.

Some more lame glue sniffing type of nonsense offered for consumption:

Ukie aggression was immoral. Forcing Moscow into a fight was senseless.

I keep harping on the fact that Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine. Why is this so hard for this yahoo to understand?

Russia believes, rightly or wrongly, that they’re fighting for dignity

What sort of “dignity” could propel Russian military forces to concentrate their energies into bombing civilian centers and the incumbent losses of women children and the elderly?

. Both sides are trying to manufacture an immoral ‘victim card’ to play for gain.

There’s no need to manufacture a victim card in Ukraine, as it’s a very real and palpable thing. Open your eyes to reality kremlinstoogeA123 and feel the pain that Russian aggressors have brought to Ukraine.

If they had to live within their means they would be forced away from zealotry towards rationality.

Your type of “rationality” would translate into Ukrainians giving into tyranny of the evilest kind. Yours is the song of the appeaser, one who bows his knee at the altar of nihilism.