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Meanwhile, I’d also recommend a couple of my recent pieces on the true history of World War II, with the former especially getting far more early readership than anything I’ve published in many years:
https://www.unz.com/runz/why-everything-you-know-about-world-war-ii-is-wrong/
Follow @powerfultakes

The new OT is appreciated.
Lets see how far we can get without mentioning a certain Black Sea conflict.
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Major auto racing resumes in the U.S. after pausing for the Le Mans 24hr.
2023 Sahlen’s Six Hours of The Glen
I wish I could say this was an awesome race. Alas, issues from end to end.
• The GTD start should have been waved off
• A wheel left in pit lane and was struck
• Separate incident, pit crewman was hit
• Entire wheel fell off a GTP car
• GTP car developed a unsafe hybrid problem
• Many, many black/orange flags for not meeting tire requirements (e.g. minimum tire pressure)
• Multiple pit lane speeding violations
• One driving error so egregious that there is a probation / potential license suspension.
The whole thing was untidy.
PEACE 😇
— MAGA-nomics Succeeds —
Good news from Trump’s 1st term: (1)
While the recent SCOTUS decisions may be less than we hoped for, the three picks from Trump’s 1st term (Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett) did reasonably well.
Trump’s successful 1st term, impacting Trade and the Judiciary, continues to help American workers today.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/01/new-trade-analysis-shows-longevity-of-president-trumps-tariffs-diminishing-chinese-imports-china-fell-from-21-6-of-u-s-imports-in-2017-to-16-5-in-2022/
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRilP2Sjec_VqDmfZ64EMppRxGhUEoxSXeX_Q&usqp.jpgReplies: @A123
The Gallic Spring will be a spring without a summer.
The world is watching the events of the Gallic Spring unfold, “gripped by the narrative of a young generation rising up against oppressive authoritarianism to secure a more democratic political system and a brighter economic future”.
The Gallic Spring is widely believed to have been instigated by dissatisfaction, particularly of youth and unions, with the rule of local governments, though some have speculated that wide gaps in income levels and pressures caused by the economic hardship may have had a hand as well. Some activists had taken part in programs sponsored by National Endowment for Democracy, but the US government claimed that they did not initiate the uprisings.
Numerous factors led to the protests, including issues such as reform, human rights violations, political corruption, economic decline, unemployment, extreme poverty, and a number of demographic structural factors, such as a large percentage of educated but dissatisfied youth within the entire population.
Catalysts for the revolts in France included the concentration of wealth in the hands of a elite few in power for decades, insufficient transparency of its redistribution, corruption, and especially the refusal of the youth to accept the status quo.
الشماتة
[Verse 1]
He was dark-haired, a tanned complexion
A bashful gaze and all damaged hands
He was cutting stones, Worker's son
He was proud of it, but why are you laughing?
No, do not judge him
You, who do not know
Dizziness, and toil
You are falsely happy, you are trading your values
[Bridge 1]
He is my whole world, and much more than that
Alone, I shout out his name, when comes the disarray
And then everything is falling apart, when he is not here anymore
I would like so much to tell him, but I dare not
He makes me...
[Chorus]
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Into the empty, the empty, the empty
Turn, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty...
[Verse 2]
Who could tell me what happened?
Since he left, I could not recover again
It is just a memory now, a tear from the past
Wedged in my eyes, which do not want to go away anymore
Oh no, do not laugh
You, who do not know
Dizziness and pain
They are superficials, are ignorant of everything about Heart
[Bridge 2]
He was my whole world, and much more than that
I wish I see him there in the Hereafter
Help me, everything is falling apart because he is not here anymore
Do you know my fair love, my beautiful soldier...
That you make me...
[Chorus]
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, you make me turn
Into the empty, the empty, the empty
Turn, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty...
[Outro]
He makes me turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, turn into the empty
He makes me turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty.
French:
[Couplet 1]
Il était brun, le teint basané
Le regard timide, les mains toutes abimées
Il taillait la pierre, fils d'ouvrier
Il en était fier, mais pourquoi vous riez ?
Non ne le jugez pas
Vous qui n'connaissez pas
Les vertiges et le labeur
Vous êtes faussement heureux, vous troquez vos valeurs
[Pont 1]
Lui il est tout mon monde et bien plus que ça
Seule, je crie son nom quand vient le désarroi
Et puis tout s'effondre quand il n'est plus là
J'aimerais tellement lui dire mais je n'ose pas
Lui qui m'fait...
[Refrain]
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
Dans le vide, vide, vide
Tourner, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
[Couplet 2]
Qui peut bien me dire, ce qui est arrivé ?
Depuis qu'il est parti, j'n'ai pu me relever
Ce n'est plus qu'un souvenir, une larme du passé
Coincée dans mes yeux, qui n'veut plus s'en aller
Oh non, ne riez pas, vous qui n'connaissez pas
Les vertiges et la douleur
Ils sont superficiels, ils ignorent tout du cœur
[Pont 2]
Lui, c'était tout mon monde, et bien plus que ça
J'espère le revoir là-bas dans l'au-delà
Aidez-moi, tout s'effondre puis qu'il n'est plus là
Sais-tu mon bel amour, mon beau soldat
Que tu m'fais...
[Refrain]
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, tu me fais tourner
Dans le vide, vide, vide
Tourner, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
[Outro, Refrain]
Il me fait tourner dans le vide, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner dans le vide, il
Tourner dans le vide, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
Tourner dans le vide.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
"the US government claimed that they did not initiate the uprisings."
Well, that settles it. Whew, I was a bit worried there.
This seems soft. (1)
Better than Macron, of course. However, someone seeking the top seat should be a bit more explicit about the problem.
Does anyone have a speech from Zemmour?
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://rairfoundation.com/marine-le-pen-calls-for-a-return-to-republican-order-amidst-frances-ongoing-migrant-and-left-wing-riots-video/
I suspected that Russia wouldn’t be able to care for all the wounded.
They actually had that problem in the initial invasion.
Good news from Trump's 1st term: (1) While the recent SCOTUS decisions may be less than we hoped for, the three picks from Trump's 1st term (Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett) did reasonably well.
Trump's successful 1st term, impacting Trade and the Judiciary, continues to help American workers today.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/01/new-trade-analysis-shows-longevity-of-president-trumps-tariffs-diminishing-chinese-imports-china-fell-from-21-6-of-u-s-imports-in-2017-to-16-5-in-2022/Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
MAGA Reindustrialization is about onshoring activities critical to national security. Resource extraction, refining, industrial goods (e.g. machine tools), and both mid/high value added consumer products.
Ornamental headwear can continue to be made overseas. Should the CCP release the WUHAN-24 (or other ##) virus impeding that supply chain, Americans would have to do without ornamental headwear. Not much of a sacrifice.
PEACE 😇
The world is watching the events of the Gallic Spring unfold, "gripped by the narrative of a young generation rising up against oppressive authoritarianism to secure a more democratic political system and a brighter economic future".
The Gallic Spring is widely believed to have been instigated by dissatisfaction, particularly of youth and unions, with the rule of local governments, though some have speculated that wide gaps in income levels and pressures caused by the economic hardship may have had a hand as well. Some activists had taken part in programs sponsored by National Endowment for Democracy, but the US government claimed that they did not initiate the uprisings.
Numerous factors led to the protests, including issues such as reform, human rights violations, political corruption, economic decline, unemployment, extreme poverty, and a number of demographic structural factors, such as a large percentage of educated but dissatisfied youth within the entire population.
Catalysts for the revolts in France included the concentration of wealth in the hands of a elite few in power for decades, insufficient transparency of its redistribution, corruption, and especially the refusal of the youth to accept the status quo.
https://youtu.be/vtNJMAyeP0s
الشماتةReplies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @YetAnotherAnon, @Negronicus
English Translation:
[Verse 1]
He was dark-haired, a tanned complexion
A bashful gaze and all damaged hands
He was cutting stones, Worker’s son
He was proud of it, but why are you laughing?
No, do not judge him
You, who do not know
Dizziness, and toil
You are falsely happy, you are trading your values
[Bridge 1]
He is my whole world, and much more than that
Alone, I shout out his name, when comes the disarray
And then everything is falling apart, when he is not here anymore
I would like so much to tell him, but I dare not
He makes me…
[Chorus]
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Into the empty, the empty, the empty
Turn, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty…
[Verse 2]
Who could tell me what happened?
Since he left, I could not recover again
It is just a memory now, a tear from the past
Wedged in my eyes, which do not want to go away anymore
Oh no, do not laugh
You, who do not know
Dizziness and pain
They are superficials, are ignorant of everything about Heart
[Bridge 2]
He was my whole world, and much more than that
I wish I see him there in the Hereafter
Help me, everything is falling apart because he is not here anymore
Do you know my fair love, my beautiful soldier…
That you make me…
[Chorus]
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, you make me turn
Into the empty, the empty, the empty
Turn, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty…
[Outro]
He makes me turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, turn into the empty
He makes me turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty.
French:
[Couplet 1]
Il était brun, le teint basané
Le regard timide, les mains toutes abimées
Il taillait la pierre, fils d’ouvrier
Il en était fier, mais pourquoi vous riez ?
Non ne le jugez pas
Vous qui n’connaissez pas
Les vertiges et le labeur
Vous êtes faussement heureux, vous troquez vos valeurs
[Pont 1]
Lui il est tout mon monde et bien plus que ça
Seule, je crie son nom quand vient le désarroi
Et puis tout s’effondre quand il n’est plus là
J’aimerais tellement lui dire mais je n’ose pas
Lui qui m’fait…
[Refrain]
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
Dans le vide, vide, vide
Tourner, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
[Couplet 2]
Qui peut bien me dire, ce qui est arrivé ?
Depuis qu’il est parti, j’n’ai pu me relever
Ce n’est plus qu’un souvenir, une larme du passé
Coincée dans mes yeux, qui n’veut plus s’en aller
Oh non, ne riez pas, vous qui n’connaissez pas
Les vertiges et la douleur
Ils sont superficiels, ils ignorent tout du cœur
[Pont 2]
Lui, c’était tout mon monde, et bien plus que ça
J’espère le revoir là-bas dans l’au-delà
Aidez-moi, tout s’effondre puis qu’il n’est plus là
Sais-tu mon bel amour, mon beau soldat
Que tu m’fais…
[Refrain]
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, tu me fais tourner
Dans le vide, vide, vide
Tourner, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
[Outro, Refrain]
Il me fait tourner dans le vide, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner dans le vide, il
Tourner dans le vide, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
Tourner dans le vide.
It used to be more to the point:
https://youtu.be/q5FXGpr_a1Q
BTW, nice nickname. I approve of the purpose and the styling.
🙂
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRilP2Sjec_VqDmfZ64EMppRxGhUEoxSXeX_Q&usqp.jpgReplies: @A123
No nation can make everything.
MAGA Reindustrialization is about onshoring activities critical to national security. Resource extraction, refining, industrial goods (e.g. machine tools), and both mid/high value added consumer products.
Ornamental headwear can continue to be made overseas. Should the CCP release the WUHAN-24 (or other ##) virus impeding that supply chain, Americans would have to do without ornamental headwear. Not much of a sacrifice.
PEACE 😇
So, what now, a week after the “failed coup d’état”? What do we know now?
1. The charges against Prigozhin were dropped. He was last seen in Rostov-on-Don.
Where is he now? Donbass, Belarus, Russia? Are his assets still his?
2. What about Wagner? As a separate corps they cannot fight anymore. This is a big loss for the Russians. Did they all go to Belarus with Prigozhin? Did they stay in the Donbass? Did they demobilize?
What about the foreign bases, strategically important businesses, mines in Africa, etc.?
Will all that all fall apart? Will Wagner stay in some form in Belarus or abroad under Prigozhin’s control? Will others continue fighting in the Donbass for less money? How many did sign a contract with the MoD? Allegedly at least third of them went home and left the whole fucking thing.
3. Shoygu. His position seems stable, though he has proved to be incompetent in the job of Minister of Defence. What’s keeping him there? The big friendship with Putin? Is he taking out out of spite Wagner and the generals who criticized him?
4. Gerasimov. The Chief of Staff disappeared a week ago. What about him? He used to be a fine general 10-20-30 years ago, but now an old geezer who should have retired as old age and alcohol turned his brain to mush. Will he be kept along with Shoygu?
5. Surovikin. The general who won most of the victories in Syria, who stabilized the Russians in Ukraine, is being hosted by the FSB. For criticizing Shoygu and supporting Wagner in the fighting. During the “coup”, he was almost alone in speaking out against it when others were sneaking around. The Russians are now holding their ground in the South because the multi-line defensive positions he has built are stable. He is the one who is losing his chair, the one best suited to lead the troops in combat.
6. There is constant Ukrainian pressure on the front. The battles are getting fiercer in more and more places. Many Ukrainians are dying, but the Russians are slowly but surely retreating. How long can the pressure be maintained with such a rearguard? Who is in control of the troops now?
7. Putin. After 3 years, since Covid, he is back among the people, rebuilding his tarnished image. But where is Putin in action? Why does the Russian military and political leadership look like it’s in chaos? And why are the dilettantes purging those who seem more capable? Politics overrides military fitness? That will end well, sure…
8. The people are silent. But the street in Rostov was cheering Wagner…
So what is the situation now one week after the “coup”? Will Prigozhin keep his assets?
Will Wagner remain as a separate force or disbanded? How well will Russians fight with their best troops withdrawn from the front and their best general held by the FSB? Will Shoygu and Gerasimov remain despite their obvious total incompetence?
__________(1) https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-coup-was-staged-putin-west-fell-it-opinion-1810035(2) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/european-satellite-imagery-appears-to-show-wagner-building-up-military-base-in-belarus-after-russia-mutiny/ar-AA1deiU1
The Eagle
He clasps the crag with crooked hands;
Close to the sun in lonely lands,
Ring’d with the azure world, he stands.
The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls;
He watches from his mountain walls,
And like a thunderbolt he falls.
Will Wagner remain as a separate force or disbanded? How well will Russians fight with their best troops withdrawn from the front and their best general held by the FSB? Will Shoygu and Gerasimov remain despite their obvious total incompetence?Replies: @Sean, @A123
According to Lukashenko, Prigozhin was swearing non stop and euphoric for the first half an hour Lukashenko was trying to talking him out of continuing toward Moscow. People were saying before the mutiny that the the video appearances at the Bakhmut front including ones with piles of his own men’s dead bodies Prigozhin made showed signs of mental derangement under stress. I think he was prolly on drugs along with his fighters (they use drugs, which more common that one might think among troops is constant heavy combat). He knows too much to be allowed to go to the West, but that is is the only place he’ll be safe.
The main value of Wagner is it enabled Putin to field troops (including uniquely expendable troops) for Ukraine without fully mobilising, but it got too big due to the unexpectedly huge number of convicts who volunteered, and so before it got to have 100,000 men or more under arms it was going to be incorporated in the army.
Will Wagner remain as a separate force or disbanded? How well will Russians fight with their best troops withdrawn from the front and their best general held by the FSB? Will Shoygu and Gerasimov remain despite their obvious total incompetence?Replies: @Sean, @A123
Was it even a “coup”? The whole thing seems phoney and staged. Even major media are having bouts of skepticism (1).
The early read is Wagner military assets are aggregating in Belarus (2). Odds are there will be a name change to reincorporate in Belarus, then Prigozhin will carry on with a rebranded PMC.
If the Russian government does not want to employ these mercenaries…. There are plenty of other opportunities. In the last thread I suggested that France should hire Wagner to liquidate their current rebellion. Do the rioters want to face an APC?
Shoigu kicked this off by trying to place Wagner under the MoD. The fact that he successfully muscled Prigozhin out of Russia suggests that he still has a very strong hand and will remain.
I will not prognosticate about Gerasimov.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-coup-was-staged-putin-west-fell-it-opinion-1810035
(2) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/european-satellite-imagery-appears-to-show-wagner-building-up-military-base-in-belarus-after-russia-mutiny/ar-AA1deiU1
Shoigu kicked this off by trying to place Wagner under the MoD. The fact that he successfully muscled Prigozhin out of Russia suggests that he still has a very strong hand and will remain.
Successfully pushed out experienced veterans during the Ukrainian counter-offensive? That is a success? The Russians were paying Wagner to fight in the bloodiest front. Sending them to Belarus is a win? Is that right?
The most likely scenario is that Prigozhin played everyone. He probably made a deal with the Ukrainians and is now sipping vodka at a Belarusian hotel. Bakhmut is not taken as seen by daily battle footage.
Shoigu was the sucker. This is the guy with ZERO military background. Putin actually put an emergency services administrator in charge of defense. His military badges are all fake.
Almost as genius as promoting your chef to private warlord.
When I look for a mechanic I try to find someone with a background in cake decoration.
That aside, Ukraine is taking very heavy casualties. The tank fleet is being cooked up. There’s no way to get infantry forward in modern battlefield conditions.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
Off-topic, but fun fact: The Banat was briefly its own republic right after WWI:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banat_Republic




It subsequently got partitioned between Romania, Yugoslavia (later Serbia), and (barely) Hungary, mostly along ethnic lines:
Alsace-Lorraine was also briefly its own independent republic during this time before being re-annexed by France:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1918_in_Alsace-Lorraine
Shoigu is the non-military guy overlooking the situation as a trusted confidant. Prigozhin revealed himself to be an out for himself blowhard.
Yes he has Putin's trust.
So did Prigozhin even though he was caught feeding rotten meat to the troops. Putin decided to help him develop a private army.
Not sure Putin is the best judge of character.
Prigozhin revealed himself to be an out for himself blowhard.
The blowhard worth billions and doesn't have a scratch on him. Right.
Just like the guy at the poker game that just happens to walk away with it all. Just lucky I'm sure.
A total blowhard that takes your money.Replies: @Mikhail
The Ukrainian offensive has disappointed so far but it is too early to say that it has already failed. As far as I can tell, the Ukrainian plan seems to be to pressure the entire front to inflict casualties and only send in the reserves after some cracks in the front have formed. The problem is we don't know how many losses the Russians are suffering and how able they are to replace their losses in the short term. We know that the Ukrainians are making gains but the Ukes are suffering heavy casualties to get them. Right now the situation is unclear but the most likely situation seems to be that Ukraine continues to press the attack until September before finally calling it off.
As for the heavy losses the Russians are suffering, the Russians have always suffered heavy losses in all of their wars. The Russian way of war is extremely casualty intensive. That is not the issue. The issue is whether Russia is able to effectively replace said losses. I believe that while Russia will continue to suffer heavy losses, it will be at a significantly lower rate than it was for the first 15 months of the conflict and that Russia will be able to effectively replace all losses. However, I think the same goes for Ukraine as well.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
[Verse 1]
He was dark-haired, a tanned complexion
A bashful gaze and all damaged hands
He was cutting stones, Worker's son
He was proud of it, but why are you laughing?
No, do not judge him
You, who do not know
Dizziness, and toil
You are falsely happy, you are trading your values
[Bridge 1]
He is my whole world, and much more than that
Alone, I shout out his name, when comes the disarray
And then everything is falling apart, when he is not here anymore
I would like so much to tell him, but I dare not
He makes me...
[Chorus]
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Into the empty, the empty, the empty
Turn, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty...
[Verse 2]
Who could tell me what happened?
Since he left, I could not recover again
It is just a memory now, a tear from the past
Wedged in my eyes, which do not want to go away anymore
Oh no, do not laugh
You, who do not know
Dizziness and pain
They are superficials, are ignorant of everything about Heart
[Bridge 2]
He was my whole world, and much more than that
I wish I see him there in the Hereafter
Help me, everything is falling apart because he is not here anymore
Do you know my fair love, my beautiful soldier...
That you make me...
[Chorus]
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, the empty
Turn into the empty, you make me turn
Into the empty, the empty, the empty
Turn, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty...
[Outro]
He makes me turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, turn into the empty
He makes me turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, turn into the empty
Turn into the empty, he makes me turn
Turn into the empty.
French:
[Couplet 1]
Il était brun, le teint basané
Le regard timide, les mains toutes abimées
Il taillait la pierre, fils d'ouvrier
Il en était fier, mais pourquoi vous riez ?
Non ne le jugez pas
Vous qui n'connaissez pas
Les vertiges et le labeur
Vous êtes faussement heureux, vous troquez vos valeurs
[Pont 1]
Lui il est tout mon monde et bien plus que ça
Seule, je crie son nom quand vient le désarroi
Et puis tout s'effondre quand il n'est plus là
J'aimerais tellement lui dire mais je n'ose pas
Lui qui m'fait...
[Refrain]
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
Dans le vide, vide, vide
Tourner, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
[Couplet 2]
Qui peut bien me dire, ce qui est arrivé ?
Depuis qu'il est parti, j'n'ai pu me relever
Ce n'est plus qu'un souvenir, une larme du passé
Coincée dans mes yeux, qui n'veut plus s'en aller
Oh non, ne riez pas, vous qui n'connaissez pas
Les vertiges et la douleur
Ils sont superficiels, ils ignorent tout du cœur
[Pont 2]
Lui, c'était tout mon monde, et bien plus que ça
J'espère le revoir là-bas dans l'au-delà
Aidez-moi, tout s'effondre puis qu'il n'est plus là
Sais-tu mon bel amour, mon beau soldat
Que tu m'fais...
[Refrain]
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, vide
Tourner dans le vide, tu me fais tourner
Dans le vide, vide, vide
Tourner, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
[Outro, Refrain]
Il me fait tourner dans le vide, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner dans le vide, il
Tourner dans le vide, tourner dans le vide
Tourner dans le vide, il me fait tourner
Tourner dans le vide.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
This is too poetic.
It used to be more to the point:
BTW, nice nickname. I approve of the purpose and the styling.
🙂
Shoigu is the non-military guy overlooking the situation as a trusted confidant.
Yes he has Putin’s trust.
So did Prigozhin even though he was caught feeding rotten meat to the troops. Putin decided to help him develop a private army.
Not sure Putin is the best judge of character.
Prigozhin revealed himself to be an out for himself blowhard.
The blowhard worth billions and doesn’t have a scratch on him. Right.
Just like the guy at the poker game that just happens to walk away with it all. Just lucky I’m sure.
A total blowhard that takes your money.
There're folks on the pro-Russian leaning side who wonder about Peskov?Replies: @Mikhail
Putin is a very flawed leader but Prigozhin’s coup flopped and strengthened Putin’s regime. Nobody knows exactly what is going on with Prig right now, or even where he is, but what is certain is that Prigozhin no longer has his private military and that his main ally within the power structure (Surovikhin) has been neutralized. Putin ain’t going nowhere.
The Ukrainian offensive has disappointed so far but it is too early to say that it has already failed. As far as I can tell, the Ukrainian plan seems to be to pressure the entire front to inflict casualties and only send in the reserves after some cracks in the front have formed. The problem is we don’t know how many losses the Russians are suffering and how able they are to replace their losses in the short term. We know that the Ukrainians are making gains but the Ukes are suffering heavy casualties to get them. Right now the situation is unclear but the most likely situation seems to be that Ukraine continues to press the attack until September before finally calling it off.
As for the heavy losses the Russians are suffering, the Russians have always suffered heavy losses in all of their wars. The Russian way of war is extremely casualty intensive. That is not the issue. The issue is whether Russia is able to effectively replace said losses. I believe that while Russia will continue to suffer heavy losses, it will be at a significantly lower rate than it was for the first 15 months of the conflict and that Russia will be able to effectively replace all losses. However, I think the same goes for Ukraine as well.
French nationalists (identitaires ?) have started taking to the streets in some regions. But they are unarmed and less numerous than the banlieue youths. I’ve seen videos of skirmishes between the nationalists and the Antifa. Don’t think it will change much about the whole dynamics of the situation there.
https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerShow/status/1675223595939708928Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ
There's no reason as to why the EU as a whole cannot prosper and flourish even if some parts of it are dumps. The US provides a very fine example in regards to this, being a huge success story in spite of its extraordinarily violent and very dumpy heavily black ghettoes.
Higher IQ French identitarian:
Moreover, what he preaches is basically Accelerationism, whether he realizes it or not. This means that it should become painfully ugly before it becomes any better. But it might never become completely intolerable for the normies, and Yahya is right, in two generations it'll be too late to save France. Same for RusFed BTW.
The clock is ticking and the World is changing at an unprecedented pace. I think that trying to keep or save European Civilization might be unfeasible in its present state of degradation. Perhaps reinventing it would work better if it manages to save what was the most precious in the European peoples' intellectual, artistic and scientific legacy. Russia might have played a role in that if it truly was Russia and not the RusFed Noviop simulacrum.
Perhaps that is why this ugly pseudo-Russian simulacrum was involved into the whole Ukrainian debacle. To ensure that European and Russian forces, hoping for better tomorrows for all the native Eurasian populations, wouldn’t work together and help each other. To keep them separate and antagonistic. Daria Dugina had a lot of contacts among the French New Right, Identitarians and Nationalist thinkers' circles. She worked to help start an Identitarian movement in Russia too. But now she is dead. Although the Identitarians in RusFed are starting to organize and are acquiring combat experience in Ukraine.
Oddly enough, I have had exchanges with some of them a few months ago and have suggested they organize well structured networks online and establish connections with other similar networks accross Europea, Ukraine included.
In a not so distant future, all these conflicts between European peoples should be put aside if we want to salvage anything. Anyway, hope springs eternal.
But yeah, most people are too closed minded to understand that sometimes one must think on a medium to long perspective and see today's conflicts as possibly not being the "be all, end all" some pretend them to be.
And yeah, I agree with you Anatoly that transnational accelerationist networks are probably worth developing. I wouldn't call them states though, satatism is overrated.Replies: @Coconuts
Total: 758,000-773,000
Source: Politics of Genocide: Punjab, 1984–1998 by Inderjeet Singh Jaijee.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikhpolitics/comments/14mgazx/amount_of_police_paramilitary_and_soldiers_in_the/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLa0OWMI2p0
https://twitter.com/aparna_gopalan/status/1674142324543111172?s=20
https://twitter.com/immortal_sn/status/1673917396229427202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/shimul_23/status/1673995536377184257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
You're saying that network states can make it big with much smaller populations because they accumulate elite human capital, but even after adjusting for EHC, I suspect that you underestimate the difficulty level that having network states replace nation-states involves. After all, even Mensa International only has 145,000 members, and it could form a very impressive network state had its members actually had the desire for this, but AFAIK, it still has several times less 130+ IQ people than Russia has. And Russia is worse off in regards to this relative to Japan, not to mention the US, EU, and China.
So, for network states to really compete against the top-notch nation-states, they'd need to accumulate extraordinary levels of EHC. Again, even Mensa International's levels of EHC are at least an order of magnitude less than what would actually be necessary for this. And Mensa International truly does have extraordinary levels of EHC that would be the envy of any network state.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerShow/status/1675223595939708928Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ
Yes but you have to keep in mind that rightoids are the biggest retards to ever exist. Nothing you say will ever make them understand this
https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerShow/status/1675223595939708928Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ
The Ukrainian offensive has disappointed so far but it is too early to say that it has already failed. As far as I can tell, the Ukrainian plan seems to be to pressure the entire front to inflict casualties and only send in the reserves after some cracks in the front have formed. The problem is we don't know how many losses the Russians are suffering and how able they are to replace their losses in the short term. We know that the Ukrainians are making gains but the Ukes are suffering heavy casualties to get them. Right now the situation is unclear but the most likely situation seems to be that Ukraine continues to press the attack until September before finally calling it off.
As for the heavy losses the Russians are suffering, the Russians have always suffered heavy losses in all of their wars. The Russian way of war is extremely casualty intensive. That is not the issue. The issue is whether Russia is able to effectively replace said losses. I believe that while Russia will continue to suffer heavy losses, it will be at a significantly lower rate than it was for the first 15 months of the conflict and that Russia will be able to effectively replace all losses. However, I think the same goes for Ukraine as well.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
The Ukrainian offensive has disappointed so far but it is too early to say that it has already failed. As far as I can tell, the Ukrainian plan seems to be to pressure the entire front to inflict casualties and only send in the reserves after some cracks in the front have formed.
It is possible that the plan is to only feint an offensive while engaging in attrition.
But I think they are most likely prodding for a hole before bringing in tanks.
Right now the situation is unclear but the most likely situation seems to be that Ukraine continues to press the attack until September before finally calling it off.
I think it is a mistake to push hard before the jets. But Russia is supposedly getting ready to abandon the Zap plant so they are making progress.
I believe that while Russia will continue to suffer heavy losses, it will be at a significantly lower rate than it was for the first 15 months of the conflict and that Russia will be able to effectively replace all losses.
The remaining question is if Putin will draft an army of urban Slavs. He is still drafting heavily from poor rural areas and ethnic minorities like Tatars. The recent POWs I have seen looked hungry and broken. They are even stating that they joined solely for the cash. Around 1/4 is a minority.
Fun fact: Charles Bronson is a Tatar.
Right now it's purely a question of Russian reserves. If Russia has the manpower and equipment to keep fighting all the way back to their 3rd defensive line, then it will be fair to qualify the Ukrainian offensive as a catastrophic failure. Particularly if Russia is able to counter attack and regain all their lost positions.
If the Ukrainians can break through the 3rd line, however, then it is possible that Russia will be forced to come to terms. But even then such an outcome would be far from certain, perhaps even outright unlikely.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson
The swarms of drones are profoundly altering the usefulness of airpower, which also has to cope with manpads among ordinary infantry; furthermore, given the Russian emphasis on an extensive variety of long range anti aircraft missiles to fight against an opponent with a strong airforce, and and that modern air superiority planes almost a generation in advance of the F16 would be protecting the Russian ground attack aircraft the plausibility of F16s sweeping the Russians from the skies and then doing ground attack missions on the rapidly evolving Ukrainian battlefield is very dubious.
The Ukrainians are nowhere though the first layer of fortifications yet, and already went from fanfaronade to fiasco. Russia had a series of fiascos from trying to advance swiftly, and while they made mistakes in execution I think evidence for the effectiveness of combined (tanks, artillery infantry, and airstrikes) arms to breach defences and exploit the breakthrough in a sustainable way is noticeably lacking considering now long the war has went on . Mines laid by artillery and drone observation of where to shoot the mines has wreaked havoc on both sides' offensives in Ukraine and what can F16s or even F35s do about that?
https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerShow/status/1675223595939708928Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ
I completely agree with what this guy says. But again, this guy and the other Identitarians, some of whom actually are way more articulate than he is, are a minority. Even if they all stand united, they still will be a minority.
Moreover, what he preaches is basically Accelerationism, whether he realizes it or not. This means that it should become painfully ugly before it becomes any better. But it might never become completely intolerable for the normies, and Yahya is right, in two generations it’ll be too late to save France. Same for RusFed BTW.
The clock is ticking and the World is changing at an unprecedented pace. I think that trying to keep or save European Civilization might be unfeasible in its present state of degradation. Perhaps reinventing it would work better if it manages to save what was the most precious in the European peoples’ intellectual, artistic and scientific legacy. Russia might have played a role in that if it truly was Russia and not the RusFed Noviop simulacrum.
Perhaps that is why this ugly pseudo-Russian simulacrum was involved into the whole Ukrainian debacle. To ensure that European and Russian forces, hoping for better tomorrows for all the native Eurasian populations, wouldn’t work together and help each other. To keep them separate and antagonistic. Daria Dugina had a lot of contacts among the French New Right, Identitarians and Nationalist thinkers’ circles. She worked to help start an Identitarian movement in Russia too. But now she is dead. Although the Identitarians in RusFed are starting to organize and are acquiring combat experience in Ukraine.
Oddly enough, I have had exchanges with some of them a few months ago and have suggested they organize well structured networks online and establish connections with other similar networks accross Europea, Ukraine included.
In a not so distant future, all these conflicts between European peoples should be put aside if we want to salvage anything. Anyway, hope springs eternal.
But yeah, most people are too closed minded to understand that sometimes one must think on a medium to long perspective and see today’s conflicts as possibly not being the “be all, end all” some pretend them to be.
And yeah, I agree with you Anatoly that transnational accelerationist networks are probably worth developing. I wouldn’t call them states though, satatism is overrated.
https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerShow/status/1675223595939708928Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ
Amount of Police, Paramilitary, and Soldiers in the peak of Kharku Lehar
Total: 758,000-773,000
Source: Politics of Genocide: Punjab, 1984–1998 by Inderjeet Singh Jaijee.
https://twitter.com/immortal_sn/status/1673917396229427202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/shimul_23/status/1673995536377184257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
It’s an excellent movie.
As far as network states or societies in a serious manner:
Suggest the following reading:
Chapter 1 The rise of the network society by M. Castells
Some Reflections on Manuel Castells’ Book “Communication Power” by C Fuchs
Toward a Post-Western IR: The “Umma,” “Khalsa Panth,” and Critical International Relations Theory
by G Shani
Karlin’s recent gay turn is likely due to aromatized estrogren post steroid use.
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All the network stuff says is as follows:
States have lost the ability to act as the primary regulators of networking – commercial, physical & cultural. Information & capital was far more physical in the past, and the state could regulate identity by controlling physical borders. Now, trans-national actors ie conglomerates of States & MNCs work together across time and space (timezones & geography) to enact their will.
This forces small, local actors to team up with global networks in order to survive. So your local church or indigenous tribe has to link up with Amnesty international or something against Google/Nestle. This is also why conservatards continuously fail because they can’t get over their own parochial antagonisms & are instead beaten out by internationalized liberals.
However, this also means that Liberalism isn’t as strong as people like Karlin make out & is defeatable by other networked groups. EHC bows to the mob at the gates
https://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/hindu-political-thought/
https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/04/15/the-taliban-were-afghanistans-real-modernizers/
Something, something w/e
edit – TLDR of network society – there are programmers & switchers.
Programmers set the parameters (boundaries) & goals of the network ie the USA in NATO.
Switchers play the role of blocker/enforcer ie Baltic states screaming about who’s white &/or against Chinese authoritarianism.
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I don’t think so. The goal appears to be to build the size of the army up to 1.5 million over the next several years and even adequately arming that many men will be a challenge. The scale of combat that exists in Ukraine does not require Russia to fully mobilize.
Ukraine is at least a calendar year from being able to achieve air superiority over the battlefield. As it is clear that the US wants to end this conflict ASAP, waiting does not appear to be an option.
The Zapp plant is well before the first main line of defense. Ukraine should have conquered it on the first day. Everyone knew that Ukraine was going to conquer some ground, it’s just that nobody, Russians included, expected Ukraine to achieve its gains so slowly.
Right now it’s purely a question of Russian reserves. If Russia has the manpower and equipment to keep fighting all the way back to their 3rd defensive line, then it will be fair to qualify the Ukrainian offensive as a catastrophic failure. Particularly if Russia is able to counter attack and regain all their lost positions.
If the Ukrainians can break through the 3rd line, however, then it is possible that Russia will be forced to come to terms. But even then such an outcome would be far from certain, perhaps even outright unlikely.
Yes he has Putin's trust.
So did Prigozhin even though he was caught feeding rotten meat to the troops. Putin decided to help him develop a private army.
Not sure Putin is the best judge of character.
Prigozhin revealed himself to be an out for himself blowhard.
The blowhard worth billions and doesn't have a scratch on him. Right.
Just like the guy at the poker game that just happens to walk away with it all. Just lucky I'm sure.
A total blowhard that takes your money.Replies: @Mikhail
Prigozhin was exempted for the mutiny issue. His St. Petersburg was raided. Stands to reason that financial crime issues can be raised against him. He appears pretty much neutralized.
There’re folks on the pro-Russian leaning side who wonder about Peskov?
The Ukrainian offensive has disappointed so far but it is too early to say that it has already failed. As far as I can tell, the Ukrainian plan seems to be to pressure the entire front to inflict casualties and only send in the reserves after some cracks in the front have formed. The problem is we don't know how many losses the Russians are suffering and how able they are to replace their losses in the short term. We know that the Ukrainians are making gains but the Ukes are suffering heavy casualties to get them. Right now the situation is unclear but the most likely situation seems to be that Ukraine continues to press the attack until September before finally calling it off.
As for the heavy losses the Russians are suffering, the Russians have always suffered heavy losses in all of their wars. The Russian way of war is extremely casualty intensive. That is not the issue. The issue is whether Russia is able to effectively replace said losses. I believe that while Russia will continue to suffer heavy losses, it will be at a significantly lower rate than it was for the first 15 months of the conflict and that Russia will be able to effectively replace all losses. However, I think the same goes for Ukraine as well.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
Kiev regime losses are noticeably greater while having less in reserve as Russia. Russian losses have fluctuated since the start of the SMO.
https://www.indica.today/long-reads/a-theory-of-polytheism/
In the case of Jewish monotheism, all three dimensions of the polytheistic religion were gradually destroyed. The cultic dimension was reduced to Jerusalem around 800 BCE and ceased to reflect the pluralistic identity of various centres and regions. The cosmic dimension changed from being a manifestation of the divine presence to a creation of God. The linguistic dimension changed from historia divina, narratives describing events between gods, to historia sacra, a narrative describing events between God and his people.
There're folks on the pro-Russian leaning side who wonder about Peskov?Replies: @Mikhail
His St Pete office.
https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerShow/status/1675223595939708928Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ
Back to the discussion about network states:
You’re saying that network states can make it big with much smaller populations because they accumulate elite human capital, but even after adjusting for EHC, I suspect that you underestimate the difficulty level that having network states replace nation-states involves. After all, even Mensa International only has 145,000 members, and it could form a very impressive network state had its members actually had the desire for this, but AFAIK, it still has several times less 130+ IQ people than Russia has. And Russia is worse off in regards to this relative to Japan, not to mention the US, EU, and China.
So, for network states to really compete against the top-notch nation-states, they’d need to accumulate extraordinary levels of EHC. Again, even Mensa International’s levels of EHC are at least an order of magnitude less than what would actually be necessary for this. And Mensa International truly does have extraordinary levels of EHC that would be the envy of any network state.
Network state citizenships are not mutually exclusive to the extent that nation state citizenships tend to be.
For instance, nothing stops me from being an Afropolitan (if they accept transracial POC thing like myself), Prospera, and Zuzalu simultaneously.
https://thenetworkstate.com/dashboard
In the long-term, I expect there to be 10,000s to millions of network states ranging the gamut from say Anthropic citizens (e.g. belonging to lifeforms descended primarily from humans, as opposed to say uplifted animals and de novo lifeforms) to small groups, teams, and cliques. No. They will own land as private gated property, cryptographically secured on blockchain. Though some obviously will have public open areas and/or open days. Yes, EHC obviously embraces polyamory.
It has been historically maladaptive, but this will no longer be the case as posthumans free themselves from their inherited genetic and psychosexual anchors.
In general all the many gender identities will go from mostly larp (not to kink shame or counter-signal against them - as an extreme progressive, that is not something I would ever do - but realistically, that is what most of this stuff currently is, due to technological backwardness) to something that's actually quite real and concrete.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
I wonder if Eastern European countries could make a play for Western European identitarian elite human capital by pitching themselves as a better, more traditional, more European alternative to Western Europe. This would allow Western European identitarians to still remain within the EU (a world-power) while living in places that they are much more comfortable in. It would also help stem Eastern Europe’s low-fertility-induced population decline. And Western Europe would be rid of Europeans whom its elites might consider to be excessively nationalistic. Seems like a win-win for everyone, no?
There’s no reason as to why the EU as a whole cannot prosper and flourish even if some parts of it are dumps. The US provides a very fine example in regards to this, being a huge success story in spite of its extraordinarily violent and very dumpy heavily black ghettoes.
Right now it's purely a question of Russian reserves. If Russia has the manpower and equipment to keep fighting all the way back to their 3rd defensive line, then it will be fair to qualify the Ukrainian offensive as a catastrophic failure. Particularly if Russia is able to counter attack and regain all their lost positions.
If the Ukrainians can break through the 3rd line, however, then it is possible that Russia will be forced to come to terms. But even then such an outcome would be far from certain, perhaps even outright unlikely.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson
If this conflict ends in a Korea-style frozen conflict, then it’s still prudent to bring Ukraine into NATO as soon as possible, perhaps even especially prudent, no? It massively reduces the risk of this war ever restarting, after all. NATO could make it clear that its security guarantees to Ukraine would only apply to the unoccupied parts of Ukraine.
I honestly don't think there is a risk of the war restarting if Putin somehow saves face in an armistice.
Ukraine could stay out of NATO and it wouldn't happen again. The Russian military knows this was a mistake.
The drone swarms that will exist in 5-7 years will be unreal. Any offensive attacker will take a huge number of casualties. Zelensky also plans on loading up the civilians with guns. The US has ramped up Excalibur shell production. If anything the Chechens or Syrians will go at it again.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
The problem with that strategy, beyond the fact that multiple NATO states will veto such a move, is what happens if Russia calls your bluff and keeps the war going? The US is politically unable to send troops and NATO will be exposed for the hollow shell that it is.
Right now it's purely a question of Russian reserves. If Russia has the manpower and equipment to keep fighting all the way back to their 3rd defensive line, then it will be fair to qualify the Ukrainian offensive as a catastrophic failure. Particularly if Russia is able to counter attack and regain all their lost positions.
If the Ukrainians can break through the 3rd line, however, then it is possible that Russia will be forced to come to terms. But even then such an outcome would be far from certain, perhaps even outright unlikely.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson
Ukraine is at least a calendar year from being able to achieve air superiority over the battlefield. As it is clear that the US wants to end this conflict ASAP, waiting does not appear to be an option.
They don’t need air superiority. An F16 has a range of 500 miles and can cause havoc behind the lines.
They should have told the US/UK to relax.
Announcing a grand offensive was a mistake.
If the Ukrainians can break through the 3rd line, however, then it is possible that Russia will be forced to come to terms. But even then such an outcome would be far from certain, perhaps even outright unlikely.
I think they are better off spooking Crimea by attacking the bridges.
Send the Russians fleeing and demoralize the public.
I think the psychological war is more important than taking ground. The Russian public still wants to believe that Putin is a genius and will somehow win. Get the gears of doubt moving and Russians will stymie the war machine on their own. This is what happened with Vietnam. The US was actually taking minimal casualties at the end of the war but the public was done. Afghanistan was similar.
If this conflict ends in a Korea-style frozen conflict, then it’s still prudent to bring Ukraine into NATO as soon as possible, perhaps even especially prudent, no? It massively reduces the risk of this war ever restarting, after all. NATO could make it clear that its security guarantees to Ukraine would only apply to the unoccupied parts of Ukraine.
I honestly don’t think there is a risk of the war restarting if Putin somehow saves face in an armistice.
Ukraine could stay out of NATO and it wouldn’t happen again. The Russian military knows this was a mistake.
The drone swarms that will exist in 5-7 years will be unreal. Any offensive attacker will take a huge number of casualties. Zelensky also plans on loading up the civilians with guns. The US has ramped up Excalibur shell production. If anything the Chechens or Syrians will go at it again.
Some Reflections on Manuel Castells’ Book “Communication Power” by C Fuchs Toward a Post-Western IR: The "Umma," "Khalsa Panth," and Critical International Relations Theoryby G ShaniKarlin's recent gay turn is likely due to aromatized estrogren post steroid use.
---All the network stuff says is as follows:States have lost the ability to act as the primary regulators of networking - commercial, physical & cultural. Information & capital was far more physical in the past, and the state could regulate identity by controlling physical borders. Now, trans-national actors ie conglomerates of States & MNCs work together across time and space (timezones & geography) to enact their will.This forces small, local actors to team up with global networks in order to survive. So your local church or indigenous tribe has to link up with Amnesty international or something against Google/Nestle. This is also why conservatards continuously fail because they can't get over their own parochial antagonisms & are instead beaten out by internationalized liberals. However, this also means that Liberalism isn't as strong as people like Karlin make out & is defeatable by other networked groups. EHC bows to the mob at the gateshttps://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/hindu-political-thought/https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/04/15/the-taliban-were-afghanistans-real-modernizers/Something, something w/eedit - TLDR of network society - there are programmers & switchers.Programmers set the parameters (boundaries) & goals of the network ie the USA in NATO.Switchers play the role of blocker/enforcer ie Baltic states screaming about who's white &/or against Chinese authoritarianism. ;)Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
That depends on who you believe. I think that casualty ratio currently favors Ukraine 1:1.5. That is probably beginning to change now with the current Ukrainian offensive.
They know too much about their own history to get spooked.
https://www.barrons.com/news/attacks-spook-tourists-in-russian-held-crimea-2660ac99Take out the bridges and businesses would shut down.Take out tourism and the remaining men will go back to Russia for factory jobs. Oddly there is very low unemployment in male heavy industries. Weird.
Fun fact, Margaret Thatcher invented soft serve ice cream.
That aside, Ukraine is taking very heavy casualties. The tank fleet is being cooked up. There’s no way to get infantry forward in modern battlefield conditions.
The US can’t have this war going on during re election campaigns. Biden can be attacked from both the left and right on this.
Here’s a fun movie about how Ivan Grozny’s Cossacks invaded and subjugated The Siberian Khanate.
It’s like Vikings meets the Revenant and Conan the Barbarian. The Russians can sustain these fights over a decade.
2. As long as US troops aren't involved, the broader American electorate doesn't care. The Biden regime wants to wrap this whole thing up sooner rather than later but if hostilities continue through the '24 election, that isn't likely to make much impact on the election results one way or the other.Replies: @Wokechoke
They know too much about their own history to get spooked.
Tourism in Crimea is already massively down because of the war:
https://www.barrons.com/news/attacks-spook-tourists-in-russian-held-crimea-2660ac99
Take out the bridges and businesses would shut down.
Take out tourism and the remaining men will go back to Russia for factory jobs.
Oddly there is very low unemployment in male heavy industries.
Weird.
That aside, Ukraine is taking very heavy casualties. The tank fleet is being cooked up. There’s no way to get infantry forward in modern battlefield conditions.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
The tank fleet is being cooked up. There’s no way to get infantry forward in modern battlefield conditions.
What tank fleet? You mean the 3 Bradleys that hit some mines? Where the crew escaped?
Should probably stop following Ritter or Moon of Alabama.
If a large tank fleet was defeated then Russia would be broadcasting the results 24/7.
They broadcasted images of those Bradleys for days.
The M1 Abrams are not even being used and Ritter declared the counter-offensive to be over.
The same Ritter that said the war was over in Feb of 2022.
Before the war he said that the Russian military is the best in the world and that they won’t invade.
Maybe stop following bloggers that are bottomin’ for Putin.
The tanks are being opened up like tin cans.Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson
1. There is no left in American anymore, that ended with the co-opting of the Bernie/AOC wing over the Ukraine war. Literally 100% of elected Democrats are staunch supporters of fighting Russia till the last.
2. As long as US troops aren’t involved, the broader American electorate doesn’t care. The Biden regime wants to wrap this whole thing up sooner rather than later but if hostilities continue through the ’24 election, that isn’t likely to make much impact on the election results one way or the other.
2. As long as US troops aren't involved, the broader American electorate doesn't care. The Biden regime wants to wrap this whole thing up sooner rather than later but if hostilities continue through the '24 election, that isn't likely to make much impact on the election results one way or the other.Replies: @Wokechoke
What I mean here is there’s a left wing critique that can be used. And a Republican could Weald it. He can also be attacked for not nuking Moscow and ending it too.
I don’t read either.
The tanks are being opened up like tin cans.
The tanks are being opened up like tin cans.
Ok let's see some sources then.Replies: @Wokechoke
I’m saying that an armistice with a DMZ needs to happen first, before Ukraine can even consider joining NATO. Ukraine obviously would never get admitted into NATO in the middle of the current war or in the middle of any war for that matter.
I honestly don't think there is a risk of the war restarting if Putin somehow saves face in an armistice.
Ukraine could stay out of NATO and it wouldn't happen again. The Russian military knows this was a mistake.
The drone swarms that will exist in 5-7 years will be unreal. Any offensive attacker will take a huge number of casualties. Zelensky also plans on loading up the civilians with guns. The US has ramped up Excalibur shell production. If anything the Chechens or Syrians will go at it again.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
A lot might also depend on just how well Ukraine’s future demographics will compare to those of Russia’s. Will Ukraine experience a post-war baby boom, for instance? If so, just how large? And will a post-war economic boom due to large-scale Western investment (with strict supervision and safeguards to prevent this money from being looted) accompany this?
Honestly it doesn't matter if some of the money gets looted. What matters is that it stays in Ukraine. Italy has long been corrupt and they quickly rebounded after WW2. There is definitely a risk where Ukraine never fully recovers due to losing so many men. I believe Russia is currently losing but I have never said that Ukraine will definitely win. It's entirely possible that Russia will grind down their best men using poor Ivans from the Urals and Tututs from Siberia. Then the two countries settle and Putin acts like he won by getting Donbas or part of it. Russian State TV of course won't mention his originally stated goals. The war could end up being a dysgenic disaster for Ukraine. Russians basically throw their village drunks in waves at Ukrainian middle class warriors. But I'm still optimistic because I believe Ukraine has the better generals. I'd really like this war to be over as I strongly believe it doesn't serve the best in interest of Western Whites or Russian Slavs. It's hard to say at this point since we don't know the casualties of either side. I'd say a 10 billion dollar investment plan into Ukraine after the war is a conservative estimate. But it won't matter if they lost a huge chunk of men. Unlike Ritter, MacGregor and Moon of Alabama I'm actually fine with saying that we don't know everything. Anyways a short answer is that I'd expect at least 10 billion invested but it won't matter if they lost too many men. No reason to invest 30-40 billion if the men aren't there. Maybe we could send over some of these bitter Putin supporting incels.Replies: @QCIC, @Ennui
Anyone who can will scramble away. The trend Of abandonment will accelerate.
AP would tell you that most Ukrainians are more patriotic than that. Though I guess that time will truly tell.
Mercouris recently referenced a Kiev institute study saying that the % of Ukrainians in Kiev regime controlled territory went from 9% (first few months of the SMO) to 78% of that population personally knowing killed Kiev regime armed combatants. This survey he said was before this current offensive.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
That aside, Ukraine is taking very heavy casualties. The tank fleet is being cooked up. There’s no way to get infantry forward in modern battlefield conditions.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
Especially with little or next to no air support against a well defended opponent with considerable air support.
The tanks are being opened up like tin cans.Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson
Some prefer the warped likes of Ben Hodges, who believes the Kiev regime will take Crimea by the end of this year or David Petraeus, saying that the Kiev regime forces are better trained and motivated than Russia’s.
The tanks are being opened up like tin cans.Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson
I don’t read either.
The tanks are being opened up like tin cans.
Ok let’s see some sources then.
A lot of them prefer living, which explains why the Kiev regime has resorted to press gangs to round up men for combat purposes.
Mercouris recently referenced a Kiev institute study saying that the % of Ukrainians in Kiev regime controlled territory went from 9% (first few months of the SMO) to 78% of that population personally knowing killed Kiev regime armed combatants. This survey he said was before this current offensive.
Also, in regards to people preferring to live, that's true for other wars too, not just for this war. I doubt that the various combatants in WWI would have had enough manpower to fight effectively for so long if they didn't force unwilling men to fight against their will.Replies: @Sean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXMqY_VM27Qhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100267815883264070/1126896398772740216/image.pngYahi Hamare Pir.https://www.sikhitothemax.org/ang?ang=717&source=Dਅਕਾਲ
The tanks are being opened up like tin cans.
Ok let's see some sources then.Replies: @Wokechoke
Forbes I think…
I recall John Kirby uncritically parroting a very high and dubious Russian casualty figure. A media person with some balls asked him about Kiev regime fatalities? He answered simply by saying that he didn't want to aid the adversary. Quite telling.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson
A lot might also depend on just how well Ukraine’s future demographics will compare to those of Russia’s. Will Ukraine experience a post-war baby boom, for instance?
It will probably be similar to post-war Germany where the women somehow get pregnant even if there is a man shortage. Women have an unspoken habit of doing what is needed when the existence of the state is threatened. They are more patriotic than given credit.
If so, just how large? And will a post-war economic boom due to large-scale Western investment (with strict supervision and safeguards to prevent this money from being looted) accompany this?
Honestly it doesn’t matter if some of the money gets looted. What matters is that it stays in Ukraine.
Italy has long been corrupt and they quickly rebounded after WW2.
There is definitely a risk where Ukraine never fully recovers due to losing so many men.
I believe Russia is currently losing but I have never said that Ukraine will definitely win.
It’s entirely possible that Russia will grind down their best men using poor Ivans from the Urals and Tututs from Siberia. Then the two countries settle and Putin acts like he won by getting Donbas or part of it. Russian State TV of course won’t mention his originally stated goals.
The war could end up being a dysgenic disaster for Ukraine. Russians basically throw their village drunks in waves at Ukrainian middle class warriors.
But I’m still optimistic because I believe Ukraine has the better generals. I’d really like this war to be over as I strongly believe it doesn’t serve the best in interest of Western Whites or Russian Slavs.
It’s hard to say at this point since we don’t know the casualties of either side. I’d say a 10 billion dollar investment plan into Ukraine after the war is a conservative estimate. But it won’t matter if they lost a huge chunk of men. Unlike Ritter, MacGregor and Moon of Alabama I’m actually fine with saying that we don’t know everything.
Anyways a short answer is that I’d expect at least 10 billion invested but it won’t matter if they lost too many men. No reason to invest 30-40 billion if the men aren’t there. Maybe we could send over some of these bitter Putin supporting incels.
I know it's not inspiring, kind of banal. Apparently not all of us are living in the fast lane like you, player, posting on here and fighting the good fight for the Ukraine when not wowing the ladiesReplies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death
Some people are in an overly delusional denial. The proof of the pudding is in how Western mass media is gradually confirming the otherwise obvious.
I recall John Kirby uncritically parroting a very high and dubious Russian casualty figure. A media person with some balls asked him about Kiev regime fatalities? He answered simply by saying that he didn’t want to aid the adversary. Quite telling.
The full force of the fury of the Luftwaffe on Britain amounted to a pinprick through the war. 70,000.
https://media.newyorker.com/photos/631208ecd450737c3a8e5589/4:3/w_2276,h_1707,c_limit/Glasser-Biden-Address.jpg
Have you watched Carlton Meyer's videos on the American/anglo wars on Russia? They are really good if you have not seen them.
I recall John Kirby uncritically parroting a very high and dubious Russian casualty figure. A media person with some balls asked him about Kiev regime fatalities? He answered simply by saying that he didn't want to aid the adversary. Quite telling.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson
I’ve never wrapped my head around the 50 million dead that Stalin claimed for USSRs losses in ww2. Sounded a little like a perverse bragging right.
The full force of the fury of the Luftwaffe on Britain amounted to a pinprick through the war. 70,000.
Even Zelensky knew it was suicide. He essentially publicly begged Biden to let him call it off. But the satanic Biden regime forced Ukraine to go on a suicide mission to help Sleepy Joe’s re-election prospects.
I do not trust Russian media, nor do I trust alternate media sources. However, while they may not be generally trustworthy, you can sometimes glean useful information regarding the war from them.
This is not the case with the US and UK media which are both nothing other than unofficial mouthpieces for the CIA and MI6. Pretty much nothing from the US/UK press on the war in Ukraine can be believed.
But the German media is different. I’m sure they’re awful in their own way but they are pretty good about giving real reporting on this conflict. Today the German press reports that the Ukrainian offensive has cost Ukraine 41 Leopard 2’s, 49 T-72’s, 31 Bradley’s, 7 German Marders (?), 23 howitzers and 40 MRAP infantry fighting vehicles.
Now I assume this list includes tanks that have been recovered and will eventually be repaired. Even still, Ukraine is currently out 10% of it’s tank force. That’s not devastating by any stretch but keep in mind that Ukraine only expects to be supplied with 300 tanks this entire year, so this is certainly an unsustainable rate of attrition. At this rate Ukraine will have had a net loss of tanks for all of 2023 after just 10 more weeks of offensive operations.
tl;dr: regardless of what MacGregor and Ritter say, Ukraine is in no danger whatsoever of military collapse. But neither can Ukraine sustain this offensive much longer, barring a sudden breakthrough. Keep in mind, when/if Ukraine finally does commit the bulk of its armored reserves, expect Ukraine’s rate of tank losses to rise by a factor of 4 or 5.
I suspect that the offensive will be called off shortly after the end of the NATO summit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ProkhorovkaGerman (on 12 July):
43–80 tanks and assault guns destroyed or damaged
842 men killed, wounded and missing
19 aircraft destroyed or damaged
Soviet (on 12 July):
300–400 tanks and self-propelled guns destroyed or damaged
5,500 men killed, wounded and missing
14 fighter aircraft
Moreover, what he preaches is basically Accelerationism, whether he realizes it or not. This means that it should become painfully ugly before it becomes any better. But it might never become completely intolerable for the normies, and Yahya is right, in two generations it'll be too late to save France. Same for RusFed BTW.
The clock is ticking and the World is changing at an unprecedented pace. I think that trying to keep or save European Civilization might be unfeasible in its present state of degradation. Perhaps reinventing it would work better if it manages to save what was the most precious in the European peoples' intellectual, artistic and scientific legacy. Russia might have played a role in that if it truly was Russia and not the RusFed Noviop simulacrum.
Perhaps that is why this ugly pseudo-Russian simulacrum was involved into the whole Ukrainian debacle. To ensure that European and Russian forces, hoping for better tomorrows for all the native Eurasian populations, wouldn’t work together and help each other. To keep them separate and antagonistic. Daria Dugina had a lot of contacts among the French New Right, Identitarians and Nationalist thinkers' circles. She worked to help start an Identitarian movement in Russia too. But now she is dead. Although the Identitarians in RusFed are starting to organize and are acquiring combat experience in Ukraine.
Oddly enough, I have had exchanges with some of them a few months ago and have suggested they organize well structured networks online and establish connections with other similar networks accross Europea, Ukraine included.
In a not so distant future, all these conflicts between European peoples should be put aside if we want to salvage anything. Anyway, hope springs eternal.
But yeah, most people are too closed minded to understand that sometimes one must think on a medium to long perspective and see today's conflicts as possibly not being the "be all, end all" some pretend them to be.
And yeah, I agree with you Anatoly that transnational accelerationist networks are probably worth developing. I wouldn't call them states though, satatism is overrated.Replies: @Coconuts
I’ve thought this might be the case since the war broke out, maybe before even. Given the trajectory things were on until 2020 I assumed that after reconciling French-German and German-Polish antagonism the next logical step would have been gradually integrating Russia, Belarus, Ukraine. (My wife talks about this period like ‘it was a different world’).
In a more globalised world the formation of a Northern Euro sphere would seem logical, otoh there seems to be some pressure for this not to happen.
In relation to shared Northern European culture and the discussion of Leeds/Manchester on the other thread I remembered this:
https://daveweldrake.wordpress.com/tag/swastika-stone/
Regarding the integration of Northern Europe, it totally makes sense and historically it has been connected through trade networks. People traveled during Nordic Bronze Age and Unetice Culture period. They traded metals from modern day England and modern day Slovakia to modern day Scandinavia.
https://phys.org/news/2021-06-bronze-age-scandinavia-networks-copper.html
The Nordic Bronze Age came on the heels of the Corded Ware derived Battle Axe Culture intrusion into Scandinavia, Klyosov mentions the very ancient haplogroup R1a clades in Scandinavia and British Isles. Perhaps the same Veneti that were prominent in seafaring trade between Brittany, North Sea and Baltic Sea in the period preceeding the Roman conquests. Those whose distant offpring the Bretons migrating to Brittany under the Anglo-saxon pressure named Wenediz. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9n%C3%A8tes
https://www.bateau-venete.com/les-caract%C3%A9ristiques-du-bateau
Notice that the ships are not that different from those used for Viking trade in the later centuries or the ones later used by the Pomors for their northbound seafaring explorations.Replies: @AP
Attrition is a poor second to a decisive offensive. Armies were still expecting soldiers fighting from the back of horses with swords to have a role well into WW1, so actual combat showing up the ineffectiveness of tanks a hundred years later is par for the course. And it is not just tanks, there seems to be an assumption that F16s would shoot down Russian ground attack aircraft and then do airstrikes on the Russian defenders at critical points, but that is most unlikely.
The swarms of drones are profoundly altering the usefulness of airpower, which also has to cope with manpads among ordinary infantry; furthermore, given the Russian emphasis on an extensive variety of long range anti aircraft missiles to fight against an opponent with a strong airforce, and and that modern air superiority planes almost a generation in advance of the F16 would be protecting the Russian ground attack aircraft the plausibility of F16s sweeping the Russians from the skies and then doing ground attack missions on the rapidly evolving Ukrainian battlefield is very dubious.
The Ukrainians are nowhere though the first layer of fortifications yet, and already went from fanfaronade to fiasco. Russia had a series of fiascos from trying to advance swiftly, and while they made mistakes in execution I think evidence for the effectiveness of combined (tanks, artillery infantry, and airstrikes) arms to breach defences and exploit the breakthrough in a sustainable way is noticeably lacking considering now long the war has went on . Mines laid by artillery and drone observation of where to shoot the mines has wreaked havoc on both sides’ offensives in Ukraine and what can F16s or even F35s do about that?
This is not the case with the US and UK media which are both nothing other than unofficial mouthpieces for the CIA and MI6. Pretty much nothing from the US/UK press on the war in Ukraine can be believed.
But the German media is different. I'm sure they're awful in their own way but they are pretty good about giving real reporting on this conflict. Today the German press reports that the Ukrainian offensive has cost Ukraine 41 Leopard 2's, 49 T-72's, 31 Bradley's, 7 German Marders (?), 23 howitzers and 40 MRAP infantry fighting vehicles.
Now I assume this list includes tanks that have been recovered and will eventually be repaired. Even still, Ukraine is currently out 10% of it's tank force. That's not devastating by any stretch but keep in mind that Ukraine only expects to be supplied with 300 tanks this entire year, so this is certainly an unsustainable rate of attrition. At this rate Ukraine will have had a net loss of tanks for all of 2023 after just 10 more weeks of offensive operations.
tl;dr: regardless of what MacGregor and Ritter say, Ukraine is in no danger whatsoever of military collapse. But neither can Ukraine sustain this offensive much longer, barring a sudden breakthrough. Keep in mind, when/if Ukraine finally does commit the bulk of its armored reserves, expect Ukraine's rate of tank losses to rise by a factor of 4 or 5.
I suspect that the offensive will be called off shortly after the end of the NATO summit.Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson
It’s very similar to the damage on the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS at Prokorovka.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Prokhorovka
German (on 12 July):
43–80 tanks and assault guns destroyed or damaged
842 men killed, wounded and missing
19 aircraft destroyed or damaged
Soviet (on 12 July):
300–400 tanks and self-propelled guns destroyed or damaged
5,500 men killed, wounded and missing
14 fighter aircraft
Atlanticists do not want a real Eurasian economic integration that would make Eurasia into a planetary economic powerhouse. They would do anything to exclude this. The whole Intermarium trope is to cut eastern part of the Eurasian continent from its westernmost part. Medvedev has offered an Eurasian security initiative to ensure peace from Dunkirk to Vladivostok around 2008. Putin talked about joining NATO as soon as he came to power and offered the Ulyanovsk logistics hub to NATO troops in Afghanistan. But the Atlanticist (((Neocon))) would always oppose any real efforts towards integration and the RusFed-ian Noviop would always overreach in their bargain, trying to impose themselves as equal to much older, wealthuer and powerful Western elites. A tale of mutual distrust and contempt ending up in war. Nothing new.
Regarding the integration of Northern Europe, it totally makes sense and historically it has been connected through trade networks. People traveled during Nordic Bronze Age and Unetice Culture period. They traded metals from modern day England and modern day Slovakia to modern day Scandinavia.
https://phys.org/news/2021-06-bronze-age-scandinavia-networks-copper.html
The Nordic Bronze Age came on the heels of the Corded Ware derived Battle Axe Culture intrusion into Scandinavia, Klyosov mentions the very ancient haplogroup R1a clades in Scandinavia and British Isles. Perhaps the same Veneti that were prominent in seafaring trade between Brittany, North Sea and Baltic Sea in the period preceeding the Roman conquests. Those whose distant offpring the Bretons migrating to Brittany under the Anglo-saxon pressure named Wenediz.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9n%C3%A8tes
https://www.bateau-venete.com/les-caract%C3%A9ristiques-du-bateau
Notice that the ships are not that different from those used for Viking trade in the later centuries or the ones later used by the Pomors for their northbound seafaring explorations.
The world is watching the events of the Gallic Spring unfold, "gripped by the narrative of a young generation rising up against oppressive authoritarianism to secure a more democratic political system and a brighter economic future".
The Gallic Spring is widely believed to have been instigated by dissatisfaction, particularly of youth and unions, with the rule of local governments, though some have speculated that wide gaps in income levels and pressures caused by the economic hardship may have had a hand as well. Some activists had taken part in programs sponsored by National Endowment for Democracy, but the US government claimed that they did not initiate the uprisings.
Numerous factors led to the protests, including issues such as reform, human rights violations, political corruption, economic decline, unemployment, extreme poverty, and a number of demographic structural factors, such as a large percentage of educated but dissatisfied youth within the entire population.
Catalysts for the revolts in France included the concentration of wealth in the hands of a elite few in power for decades, insufficient transparency of its redistribution, corruption, and especially the refusal of the youth to accept the status quo.
https://youtu.be/vtNJMAyeP0s
الشماتةReplies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @YetAnotherAnon, @Negronicus
“a young generation rising up against oppressive authoritarianism to secure a more democratic political system and a brighter economic future”
You mean the usual suspects rioting because they’re either over-policed or under-policed?
I’ll have to remember while looting the Apple store that I’m rising against oppressive authoritarianism.
Unfortunately EU economic policy and US explosive charges are going to make the economic future of UK/EU a whole lot worse. Only those few energy-rich Nordics like Norway and Iceland will prosper.
2014 video of Ukrainian troops shooting civilians in Mariupol.
https://t.me/llordofwar/167950
Of course it is not just phones being looted to resist authoritarianism. Cars are being looted to resist authoritarianism. Even washing machines are being looted resist authoritarianism.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SLKmwuuo5h0
This does not seem to be about "resistance" at all. At least Notre Dame was defended this time around.
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The quote "Places don't change... People change" is the unvarnished truth. France opened its doors to Muslim migrants who are incapable of being French. The arrival of violent religionists created in France conditions typical for Islamic African & Middle Eastern nations. Do you see these types of Muslim riots in Budapest, Prague, or Warsaw? Nope.
A growing segment of the French population grasps what is needed to solve the problem. Those incapable of being French must be excluded from France. It really is that simple.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
I concur.
Of course it is not just phones being looted to resist authoritarianism. Cars are being looted to resist authoritarianism. Even washing machines are being looted resist authoritarianism.
This does not seem to be about “resistance” at all. At least Notre Dame was defended this time around.
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The quote “Places don’t change… People change” is the unvarnished truth. France opened its doors to Muslim migrants who are incapable of being French. The arrival of violent religionists created in France conditions typical for Islamic African & Middle Eastern nations. Do you see these types of Muslim riots in Budapest, Prague, or Warsaw? Nope.
A growing segment of the French population grasps what is needed to solve the problem. Those incapable of being French must be excluded from France. It really is that simple.
PEACE 😇
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/13Vend%C3%A9miaire.jpg/1024px-13Vend%C3%A9miaire.jpgReplies: @A123
I recall John Kirby uncritically parroting a very high and dubious Russian casualty figure. A media person with some balls asked him about Kiev regime fatalities? He answered simply by saying that he didn't want to aid the adversary. Quite telling.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson
You are either with us or you are with the terrorists.
Have you watched Carlton Meyer’s videos on the American/anglo wars on Russia? They are really good if you have not seen them.
Of course it is not just phones being looted to resist authoritarianism. Cars are being looted to resist authoritarianism. Even washing machines are being looted resist authoritarianism.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SLKmwuuo5h0
This does not seem to be about "resistance" at all. At least Notre Dame was defended this time around.
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The quote "Places don't change... People change" is the unvarnished truth. France opened its doors to Muslim migrants who are incapable of being French. The arrival of violent religionists created in France conditions typical for Islamic African & Middle Eastern nations. Do you see these types of Muslim riots in Budapest, Prague, or Warsaw? Nope.
A growing segment of the French population grasps what is needed to solve the problem. Those incapable of being French must be excluded from France. It really is that simple.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Where’s Napoleon when you need him?
A modern version of Napoleonic combat efficiency would be good at putting down the Muslim looters. Alas, current French authority lacks the fortitude.
Where’s President Zemmour when you need him?
PEACE 😇Replies: @Ivashka the fool
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/13Vend%C3%A9miaire.jpg/1024px-13Vend%C3%A9miaire.jpgReplies: @A123
I concur.
A modern version of Napoleonic combat efficiency would be good at putting down the Muslim looters. Alas, current French authority lacks the fortitude.
Where’s President Zemmour when you need him?
PEACE 😇
Zemmour means "Black" in Tamazight, in Kabyle the olive oil would be zeit u zemmourth because obviously the oil is extracted from ripe black olives. To the east of Algiers one finds the sea side commune of Zemmouri, which marks the marches of the Kabyle lands going further East and into the mountains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemmouri
During a meeting with Kabyle autonomists that seek independence from Algeria, and receive support from Morocco and Israel, Zemmour literally declared: "I am a Berber, just like you, but of Judaic faith (Je suis un Berbère, tout comme vous, mais de confession Judaïque).
You really think there is none better fit for the presidential job in France ?
BTW, any independence war in Kabylia, would end up leading to massacres and crimes against humanity, possibly to Algerian state devolving into a hardcore Islamist dictatorship and/or Moroccan intervention. A huge clusterfuck that would lead to millions of Maghrebi refugees washing up on southern European shores. Then once the Maghreb destructured, the Sub-Saharan African hordes would have a free pass to migrate towards Europe. Hundreds of millions of them might move to the North under the climate change scenario.
Perhaps that is why we need Zemmour in charge of the French society?
So he would start the whole shit show, just like Yatsenyuk did in Ukraine in 2014 ?
And once the job is done, and Europe is even more weakened, Zemmour might migrate somewhere else, just like his Jewish Berber ancestors did...Replies: @AP, @A123
On the Hollywood front… It’s initial estimates for Indiana Jones and the Kathleen Kennedy Self-Insert are available. Only $60MM in domestic box office + $70MM internationally.
That is very close to The Flash and well below The Little Mermaid (1). Indy needs global box office of ~$900MM just to break even. Flash will fall short of $300MM.
One can hear the banshee wail… Will Kathleen Kennedy escape again? She is trying to shift blame onto Disney’s marketing department for not promoting the movie correctly.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destiny-(2023)/Flash-The/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs
I wonder if movie theaters won't soon be a thing of the past, analogous to drive-ins. Hard to understand how it works as an economic model, to give up half (or more) of your potential revenue. And to compete with the increasing number of options.Replies: @A123, @AP
Honestly it doesn't matter if some of the money gets looted. What matters is that it stays in Ukraine. Italy has long been corrupt and they quickly rebounded after WW2. There is definitely a risk where Ukraine never fully recovers due to losing so many men. I believe Russia is currently losing but I have never said that Ukraine will definitely win. It's entirely possible that Russia will grind down their best men using poor Ivans from the Urals and Tututs from Siberia. Then the two countries settle and Putin acts like he won by getting Donbas or part of it. Russian State TV of course won't mention his originally stated goals. The war could end up being a dysgenic disaster for Ukraine. Russians basically throw their village drunks in waves at Ukrainian middle class warriors. But I'm still optimistic because I believe Ukraine has the better generals. I'd really like this war to be over as I strongly believe it doesn't serve the best in interest of Western Whites or Russian Slavs. It's hard to say at this point since we don't know the casualties of either side. I'd say a 10 billion dollar investment plan into Ukraine after the war is a conservative estimate. But it won't matter if they lost a huge chunk of men. Unlike Ritter, MacGregor and Moon of Alabama I'm actually fine with saying that we don't know everything. Anyways a short answer is that I'd expect at least 10 billion invested but it won't matter if they lost too many men. No reason to invest 30-40 billion if the men aren't there. Maybe we could send over some of these bitter Putin supporting incels.Replies: @QCIC, @Ennui
JJ, how do you respond to the Mariupol 2014 video posted by YetAnotherAnon (#70)?
Does anyone know the state of transportation in Eastern Ukraine?
Are trains and planes operating semi-normally in Kiev?
What about Kharkov, Dnipro, Zaphorizhzhia?
Is it possible to drive a private car around without being shot? Does the Ukrainian government publish maps of allowed routes?
NB: Tantamount to Russia losing so it will presumably take a while to get there, if ever.
Does anyone here at Unz know the current population distribution in Ukraine? Reportedly a lot of people have left the country or been killed, but what about those that remain, where do they live?
What are estimates for the current populations of Kiev, Kharkov, Dnipro, Lvov, Odessa?
What is the status of city services and merchants in these places?
Lviv gained 150,000 people (they estimate a third will stay after the war) and is building new housing and neighborhoods:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Hope-for-Ukrainian-victory-burns-strong-in-Lviv-one-year-on#:~:text=Lviv%20Mayor%20Andriy%20Sadovyi%20says,by%20150%2C000%20since%20the%20invasion.
Entire companies have relocated from places like Kharkiv to Lviv; they are not going back.
Transcarpathia has also seen an influx, which dilutes the Hungarian minority there.
Good news is that the new constuciton in Lviv should be nice:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/arts/lviv-ukraine-refugee-housing.html
To House Refugees, Lviv Wants to Make Beautiful Buildings That Last
The Ukrainian city’s distinctive architecture has made it a world heritage site. Its architects are trying to balance aesthetics with sustainability as it prepares for a long war.
“When we build a building, we have to think it’s built for not months, not years, but for dozens of years, for centuries,” said the 35-year-old Kolomeytsev, who studied and worked in Vienna, but says his work is shaped by growing up in Lviv. “We are in a very rich cultural environment.”
He said the city would build apartment blocks of five to seven stories for displaced people that would combine beauty with utility while retaining the compact nature of this city of 800,000 people.
Lviv is the furthest city Ukrainian evacuees can escape the battlefields in the country’s east and still be in their home country. Several hundred thousand Ukrainians have passed through Lviv, many crossing into Poland about 40 miles away. But city officials expect about 50,000 of those displaced to remain.Replies: @Gerard1234
A modern version of Napoleonic combat efficiency would be good at putting down the Muslim looters. Alas, current French authority lacks the fortitude.
Where’s President Zemmour when you need him?
PEACE 😇Replies: @Ivashka the fool
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Zemmour means “Black” in Tamazight, in Kabyle the olive oil would be zeit u zemmourth because obviously the oil is extracted from ripe black olives. To the east of Algiers one finds the sea side commune of Zemmouri, which marks the marches of the Kabyle lands going further East and into the mountains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemmouri
During a meeting with Kabyle autonomists that seek independence from Algeria, and receive support from Morocco and Israel, Zemmour literally declared: “I am a Berber, just like you, but of Judaic faith (Je suis un Berbère, tout comme vous, mais de confession Judaïque).
You really think there is none better fit for the presidential job in France ?
BTW, any independence war in Kabylia, would end up leading to massacres and crimes against humanity, possibly to Algerian state devolving into a hardcore Islamist dictatorship and/or Moroccan intervention. A huge clusterfuck that would lead to millions of Maghrebi refugees washing up on southern European shores. Then once the Maghreb destructured, the Sub-Saharan African hordes would have a free pass to migrate towards Europe. Hundreds of millions of them might move to the North under the climate change scenario.
Perhaps that is why we need Zemmour in charge of the French society?
So he would start the whole shit show, just like Yatsenyuk did in Ukraine in 2014 ?
And once the job is done, and Europe is even more weakened, Zemmour might migrate somewhere else, just like his Jewish Berber ancestors did…
-- Of 100% of the population of France? -- There are probably many. Running for political office is so unpleasant, the best potential office holders never become candidates. All democracies have this problem to a lesser or greater extent.
-- Of those who are viable? -- To run, French candidates must garner signatures from 500 elected officials, who are mostly mayors. This is a formidable challenge. Le Pen almost fell short last cycle.
Please, name someone better who can clear the 500 barrier.
I am hard pressed to identify a better, currently active, viable option. Is there a well known individual ready for a sudden break through? Any lesser known candidate would need major party support and Le Pen [RN] does not seem to be going anywhere.
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Regarding the integration of Northern Europe, it totally makes sense and historically it has been connected through trade networks. People traveled during Nordic Bronze Age and Unetice Culture period. They traded metals from modern day England and modern day Slovakia to modern day Scandinavia.
https://phys.org/news/2021-06-bronze-age-scandinavia-networks-copper.html
The Nordic Bronze Age came on the heels of the Corded Ware derived Battle Axe Culture intrusion into Scandinavia, Klyosov mentions the very ancient haplogroup R1a clades in Scandinavia and British Isles. Perhaps the same Veneti that were prominent in seafaring trade between Brittany, North Sea and Baltic Sea in the period preceeding the Roman conquests. Those whose distant offpring the Bretons migrating to Brittany under the Anglo-saxon pressure named Wenediz. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9n%C3%A8tes
https://www.bateau-venete.com/les-caract%C3%A9ristiques-du-bateau
Notice that the ships are not that different from those used for Viking trade in the later centuries or the ones later used by the Pomors for their northbound seafaring explorations.Replies: @AP
Ideas can have more than one cause and more than one purpose.
From the Atlanticist POV you are correct, and it is useful from that perspective.
For the people actually living in Intermarium, it is safety from the murderous Eurasian beasts and unity when negotiating with Western Europe on issues such as non-European immigration (until the Western Europeans, hopefully, come to their senses on that). That this helps the USA/UK does not change that fact, or make the people supporting Intermarium someone’s tools, or whatever.
From the other thread, you wrote:
Ukrainians did not sink nearly to the level of Russians in the 1990s. They are not the same. They may not have been domesticated as much as Poles and other Europeans, but they are not nearly as savage as the Russians. They are closer to Poles than to Russians.*
Here are homicide rates in Russia, Poland and Ukraine:

Russia achieved a level similar to Central America. Poland stayed civilized. Ukraine was much closer to Poland, than to Russia, despite it’s poverty.
Within Ukraine there are geographical differences that reflect the taming influence of centuries of union with Poland and Austria. Crime rates across Ukraine:

You see that Galicia is the most civilized. But then you also see that the Right Bank (which had been part of Poland until 1793) is much less criminal than the rest.
I have a friend from Eastern Ukraine who was a university student in Lviv in the early 90s. His father had been brutally murdered in his Russian-speaking home city for about $200 in savings. He was saying that this sort of thing, commonplace at that time in his home city, was seen as shocking and rare in Lviv. He never moved back home.
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Russians like having a despotic government. They tend to be violent people, on average, especially under pressure and when they aren’t under strict control. Their country has lots of Muslims, both native and incoming from neighboring Central Asia.
Ukraine is different on all these factors. Ukrainians don’t want to be part of that Eurasian world. They want to join their Polish Slavic brothers. They are fighting and dying in order to keep their homeland out of Eurasia. They are European Slavs, not Eurasian ones.
These facts are not some sort of an Atlanticist plot, merely because Atlanticists benefit from them.
*The three Baltic Republics had higher homicide rates than Ukraine in the 1990s; the Russian population can explain Latvia and Estonia, but not Lithuania:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?locations=UA-RU-PL-LT-LV-EE
What are estimates for the current populations of Kiev, Kharkov, Dnipro, Lvov, Odessa?
What is the status of city services and merchants in these places?Replies: @AP
Western Ukraine has seen a population boom, due to the influx of refugees, many of whom will stay.
Lviv gained 150,000 people (they estimate a third will stay after the war) and is building new housing and neighborhoods:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Hope-for-Ukrainian-victory-burns-strong-in-Lviv-one-year-on#:~:text=Lviv%20Mayor%20Andriy%20Sadovyi%20says,by%20150%2C000%20since%20the%20invasion.
Entire companies have relocated from places like Kharkiv to Lviv; they are not going back.
Transcarpathia has also seen an influx, which dilutes the Hungarian minority there.
Good news is that the new constuciton in Lviv should be nice:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/arts/lviv-ukraine-refugee-housing.html
To House Refugees, Lviv Wants to Make Beautiful Buildings That Last
The Ukrainian city’s distinctive architecture has made it a world heritage site. Its architects are trying to balance aesthetics with sustainability as it prepares for a long war.
“When we build a building, we have to think it’s built for not months, not years, but for dozens of years, for centuries,” said the 35-year-old Kolomeytsev, who studied and worked in Vienna, but says his work is shaped by growing up in Lviv. “We are in a very rich cultural environment.”
He said the city would build apartment blocks of five to seven stories for displaced people that would combine beauty with utility while retaining the compact nature of this city of 800,000 people.
Lviv is the furthest city Ukrainian evacuees can escape the battlefields in the country’s east and still be in their home country. Several hundred thousand Ukrainians have passed through Lviv, many crossing into Poland about 40 miles away. But city officials expect about 50,000 of those displaced to remain.
To any non-retard, Galicia has clearly lost , big decline in population since SMO. Significant decline since 2014 also, even with those who went to Galicia from Donbass. City population may have, at best , stabilised, because as is well known many of the villagers in desperation are forced to move to the cities since 2014. To any sane person we are seeing a big decrease in population. Economic and basic living standard options are far greater in dictating Galicians emigration habits to the dream of EU countries (which is now completely restriction free)....than the "staying there" population or those from different parts of 404 who certainly view it as safer (equally for draft-dodging just as much as from missile strikes) place to stay than rest of the country
And those who left Galicia at start of SMO, have come back in far less numbers/proportion than those in Kiev ( who mostly have come back), as the attraction of the brothels and toilets in Milan, Paris, London and Madrid is too great.
And LOL, 50000 is about the annual population increase in Kazan you retarded POS, Sochi, Krasnodar too.......certainly Moscow and SP have annual increases bigger than that.
But I suppose that's the difference between a normal person and a sociopathic freakshow. Normal person - net 5-6 million increase in our population from refugees fleeing the ukronazi nuthouse is actual population increase - a democratically and culturally significant event. Permanently kneecaps an already decapitated fake country, because unknown to these sadistic scum running the country, these 5-6 million ( in addition to the 3 million since 2014-21) have family in 404.
Sociopathic dickhead - lose at least 1 million from Galicia, gain a few thousand.."population boom"!
Embarrassingly, with the Ukronazis embarassingly non-existant IT industry, employees in Galicia were only a pathetic 1/6th of national IT programmers. Since the SMO it can't even get to 1/4 ( the exact percentage 24%) , as most talented have either gone south, north, or Kiev based. That's generously including scammers and NATO-prostitute Tsipso freaks as "IT specialists". To do what? With no employees, money or markets WTF are they going to operate with you stupid POS? "Not going back" - ukronazi state admitting defeat indirectly?
The truly embarrassing fact is that more people are moving from Kharkov to Russia, than from Kharkov to rest of 404. An oxymoron. A completely extinct job in last 30 years . If we subset this more to Galician architect........that's last seen in existence about 800 years before you retard
And on your pathetic attention-seeking BS recycling of NYT propaganda BS fakes - In reality its just the usual khokhol fake claims about what they intend to do, that never matches to reality. If you knew anything about Ukraine, which you don't as you have never visited Lvov or the country ........you would know the construction industry is non-existant. I know it because I have worked in it, and am directly connected to construction that is going on in liberated territories.
In reality, excluding the fact that this failed prostitute state, can't built, won't build things........they would rely entirely on western money for it, which is being directed to completely different things now. Without even thinking about corruption, if there is absolutely no idea when SMO is going to finish and how many people are actually going to be there from the migration, then its impossible to allocate funds to these construction projects you fantasist dumb prick. Completely pointless, empty talk.
And that is one of the other main points you idiot, Russia can build mass infrastructure, mass housing in areas very close to the frontline. 404 with western money can't even START these projects not only because of lack of money in one of its poorest shitholes, not only because of impossible to determine houses/apartments that have to be built because of the situation.....but of course because no idiot, even in f**kheadistan is going to commit money to projects in cities where they know air defences are useless against Russian missiles you idiot.Replies: @AP
Zemmour means "Black" in Tamazight, in Kabyle the olive oil would be zeit u zemmourth because obviously the oil is extracted from ripe black olives. To the east of Algiers one finds the sea side commune of Zemmouri, which marks the marches of the Kabyle lands going further East and into the mountains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemmouri
During a meeting with Kabyle autonomists that seek independence from Algeria, and receive support from Morocco and Israel, Zemmour literally declared: "I am a Berber, just like you, but of Judaic faith (Je suis un Berbère, tout comme vous, mais de confession Judaïque).
You really think there is none better fit for the presidential job in France ?
BTW, any independence war in Kabylia, would end up leading to massacres and crimes against humanity, possibly to Algerian state devolving into a hardcore Islamist dictatorship and/or Moroccan intervention. A huge clusterfuck that would lead to millions of Maghrebi refugees washing up on southern European shores. Then once the Maghreb destructured, the Sub-Saharan African hordes would have a free pass to migrate towards Europe. Hundreds of millions of them might move to the North under the climate change scenario.
Perhaps that is why we need Zemmour in charge of the French society?
So he would start the whole shit show, just like Yatsenyuk did in Ukraine in 2014 ?
And once the job is done, and Europe is even more weakened, Zemmour might migrate somewhere else, just like his Jewish Berber ancestors did...Replies: @AP, @A123
Did Yatsenuk send soldiers and weapons into Russia in 2014?
Zemmour means "Black" in Tamazight, in Kabyle the olive oil would be zeit u zemmourth because obviously the oil is extracted from ripe black olives. To the east of Algiers one finds the sea side commune of Zemmouri, which marks the marches of the Kabyle lands going further East and into the mountains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemmouri
During a meeting with Kabyle autonomists that seek independence from Algeria, and receive support from Morocco and Israel, Zemmour literally declared: "I am a Berber, just like you, but of Judaic faith (Je suis un Berbère, tout comme vous, mais de confession Judaïque).
You really think there is none better fit for the presidential job in France ?
BTW, any independence war in Kabylia, would end up leading to massacres and crimes against humanity, possibly to Algerian state devolving into a hardcore Islamist dictatorship and/or Moroccan intervention. A huge clusterfuck that would lead to millions of Maghrebi refugees washing up on southern European shores. Then once the Maghreb destructured, the Sub-Saharan African hordes would have a free pass to migrate towards Europe. Hundreds of millions of them might move to the North under the climate change scenario.
Perhaps that is why we need Zemmour in charge of the French society?
So he would start the whole shit show, just like Yatsenyuk did in Ukraine in 2014 ?
And once the job is done, and Europe is even more weakened, Zemmour might migrate somewhere else, just like his Jewish Berber ancestors did...Replies: @AP, @A123
Please, define “none better fit”.
— Of 100% of the population of France? — There are probably many. Running for political office is so unpleasant, the best potential office holders never become candidates. All democracies have this problem to a lesser or greater extent.
— Of those who are viable? — To run, French candidates must garner signatures from 500 elected officials, who are mostly mayors. This is a formidable challenge. Le Pen almost fell short last cycle.
Please, name someone better who can clear the 500 barrier.
I am hard pressed to identify a better, currently active, viable option. Is there a well known individual ready for a sudden break through? Any lesser known candidate would need major party support and Le Pen [RN] does not seem to be going anywhere.
PEACE 😇
Yatsenyuk was the one who conspired with Vicky Nuland of the “Fuck Europe” fame. You know the one who is still very much in charge of the US Ukrainian strategy. With friends like these, who needs ennemies…
-- Of 100% of the population of France? -- There are probably many. Running for political office is so unpleasant, the best potential office holders never become candidates. All democracies have this problem to a lesser or greater extent.
-- Of those who are viable? -- To run, French candidates must garner signatures from 500 elected officials, who are mostly mayors. This is a formidable challenge. Le Pen almost fell short last cycle.
Please, name someone better who can clear the 500 barrier.
I am hard pressed to identify a better, currently active, viable option. Is there a well known individual ready for a sudden break through? Any lesser known candidate would need major party support and Le Pen [RN] does not seem to be going anywhere.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Ivashka the fool
I agree that the most prominent French politicards are mostly a bunch of opportunists.
But you ignored the gist of my post, Zemmour is not ethnic European French, he is not Christian, and he is only Islamophobic because of his Berber Jewish historical grudges and pro- Israeli bias.
France needs someone who would put the ethnic European Français de souche first. Not use France as a tool in Atlanticist/Zionist games against Europe. France needs someone who stands for French historical identity.
Zemmour is a non-entity in this regard. If he is ever promoted to power with the help of Dassault, Badinter and Rothschild (Jewish) moneys, that would be the end of France.
BTW, given that you like anticipation novels and are somewhat interested in the French affairs, I suggest you have a look at this book if you have an opportunity:
https://www.babelio.com/livres/Ligny-Jihad/33853
Not sure it was translated in English though.
Judeo-Christian values are the number one necessity for fighting Jihadist invaders. Indigenous Palestinian Jews and indigenous French Christians are in the same boat. Working together is a 'no brainer'. Any candidate resisting the Great Muslim Replacement will naturally be a supporter of Israel.
Also key is avoiding the Atlanticist/Islamist game run by the European Empire. Judeo-Christians need to resist the jihad directed from places like Berlin, Brussels, and Davos. Merkel is without a doubt the "Most Atlanticist" leader ever, successfully bending failed Americans like GW and Obama to her will. There would be no Islamophile/Atlanticist movement without her and Germany.
Zemmour is despised by European NeoCons, including the Dassault, Badinter, and Rothschild (post-Judaic apostate) money crowd.
Of course, breaking through as an individual needing a coalition could bring problems similar to Trump's 1st term. Zemmour would not be able to immediately succeed at 100% of everything. Some areas would have compromises. Holding the line and beginning de-migration is an achievable hope.
Zemmour, or any other Judeo-Christian leader, will also have to battle the entrenched EU deep state. As we can see from Meloni's efforts, this is a time consuming fight that limits opportunities for quick results. It has taken months to reach temporary impounding of enemy troop transports. It will be more months before she can start jailing crews and scuttling captured vessels.
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Again, Zemmour is the best option currently on the table for France to fight the Great Muslim Replacement. I am not stating he is the pinnacle choice on the entire planet. If you want to credibly oppose Zemmour, you need to:
Provide a name that can obtain the 500 signatures needed to run.
If you do not do so, you are tacitly admitting that Zemmour is the most viable option.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Coconuts
I wrote my non-troll commentary on the French riots here.
2. you are in error on E. Michael Jones. He did not write about Greta Therber's titties on unz . com. He told that story on Tim Kelly's podcast. Actually he did not speak about Greta Therber's titties at all. He spoke about her absence of titties.
An analogy would be if I wrote about your absence of integrity.
3. Chew on this.
https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/sltrib/IL7XBVTYLJEIZAWTL434OGDV2Q.jpeg
I think the ‘accelerationists’ are acting under a mistaken assumption that as things appear to crumble, as in the movie Mad Max, they will be able to simply fill in the vacuum with states of their own creation, something similar also to when the Western Roman Empire finally collapsed in the late 5th century and the ‘barbarian’ Germanic tribes stepped in with their own political states.
I suspect rather they’re being set up for destruction via a Russian style ‘civil war’ 2.0, though possibly even more brutal this go around, centered this time in the United States, but perhaps encompassing the whole of the Anglosphere, and perhaps bleeding some into Western Europe besides. Like the original Russian Civil War before it, with their roving political and racial/ethnic armies, led by warlords, it will appear for a time in certain ways much like a Mad Max scenario.
However, like the Russian Civil War before it, I submit this will more than likely be a rigged affair in favor of the Communists (Will it be the ‘New Bolsheviks’ now with their ‘Black Reparations Army’, more formally known as the ‘Black Revolutionary Army’, allies, the latter acting as the very spearhead of the Communist American revolution?)
What about outside help, like the White Russians got? Sure, but just like with them, it will probably be too little, too late, just as intended.
[The networking idea, though no doubt to be viciously resisted by the powers that be, might have a better shot at success.]
I understand the position of the French identitarian, it's a relatively rational position from a selfish point of view and maybe even a common sense position. Btw, it is not something original, he is simply calling for secession (moving to the country side). It is not a bad suggestion overall, but it is not a long term solution.
What will happen is that some will move to the country side and will even be able to maintain a society there, but they will still be surrounded by chaos and immigrant masses, and eventually they themselves could become victims of a force that would come out of this chaos. Where is the guarantee that they will lead this force or that they can control it in any way if they simply bail? Their children will eventually be at its mercy.
If they bail and create another powerful force that is ready to fight chaos, then we can view them as serious players.Replies: @S
I did not ignore your post. I simply found it impenetrable.
Judeo-Christian values are the number one necessity for fighting Jihadist invaders. Indigenous Palestinian Jews and indigenous French Christians are in the same boat. Working together is a ‘no brainer’. Any candidate resisting the Great Muslim Replacement will naturally be a supporter of Israel.
Also key is avoiding the Atlanticist/Islamist game run by the European Empire. Judeo-Christians need to resist the jihad directed from places like Berlin, Brussels, and Davos. Merkel is without a doubt the “Most Atlanticist” leader ever, successfully bending failed Americans like GW and Obama to her will. There would be no Islamophile/Atlanticist movement without her and Germany.
Zemmour is despised by European NeoCons, including the Dassault, Badinter, and Rothschild (post-Judaic apostate) money crowd.
Of course, breaking through as an individual needing a coalition could bring problems similar to Trump’s 1st term. Zemmour would not be able to immediately succeed at 100% of everything. Some areas would have compromises. Holding the line and beginning de-migration is an achievable hope.
Zemmour, or any other Judeo-Christian leader, will also have to battle the entrenched EU deep state. As we can see from Meloni’s efforts, this is a time consuming fight that limits opportunities for quick results. It has taken months to reach temporary impounding of enemy troop transports. It will be more months before she can start jailing crews and scuttling captured vessels.
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Again, Zemmour is the best option currently on the table for France to fight the Great Muslim Replacement. I am not stating he is the pinnacle choice on the entire planet. If you want to credibly oppose Zemmour, you need to:
Provide a name that can obtain the 500 signatures needed to run.
If you do not do so, you are tacitly admitting that Zemmour is the most viable option.
PEACE 😇
European nationalists may be closer to Papacito, the French guy whose short video on the riots AK has posted a couple of times further up the thread. Papacito is known as an admirer of general Franco.
One thing Franco was well known for was his picturesque personal bodyguard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardia_Mora
The moors weren't a problem for the Franco regime (more for its enemies):
Que otros paises guarden el oro, nosostros el moroReplies: @A123
This is not the case with the US and UK media which are both nothing other than unofficial mouthpieces for the CIA and MI6. Pretty much nothing from the US/UK press on the war in Ukraine can be believed.
But the German media is different. I'm sure they're awful in their own way but they are pretty good about giving real reporting on this conflict. Today the German press reports that the Ukrainian offensive has cost Ukraine 41 Leopard 2's, 49 T-72's, 31 Bradley's, 7 German Marders (?), 23 howitzers and 40 MRAP infantry fighting vehicles.
Now I assume this list includes tanks that have been recovered and will eventually be repaired. Even still, Ukraine is currently out 10% of it's tank force. That's not devastating by any stretch but keep in mind that Ukraine only expects to be supplied with 300 tanks this entire year, so this is certainly an unsustainable rate of attrition. At this rate Ukraine will have had a net loss of tanks for all of 2023 after just 10 more weeks of offensive operations.
tl;dr: regardless of what MacGregor and Ritter say, Ukraine is in no danger whatsoever of military collapse. But neither can Ukraine sustain this offensive much longer, barring a sudden breakthrough. Keep in mind, when/if Ukraine finally does commit the bulk of its armored reserves, expect Ukraine's rate of tank losses to rise by a factor of 4 or 5.
I suspect that the offensive will be called off shortly after the end of the NATO summit.Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson
Today the German press reports that the Ukrainian offensive has cost Ukraine 41 Leopard 2’s, 49 T-72’s, 31 Bradley’s, 7 German Marders (?), 23 howitzers and 40 MRAP infantry fighting vehicles.
What is the source exactly? If the Russians had taken out even a dozen Leopards then they would be broadcasting the images on Russian State TV as they did with the 3 burned out Bradleys. Russia in fact has a bounty on them.
I suspect that the offensive will be called off shortly after the end of the NATO summit.
NATO can’t call off anything. It is individual states that are providing military aid.
The next summit is in two weeks and the Ukrainians haven’t received all their tanks.
Neither the US nor NATO controls Ukraine. The US wanted Ukraine to leave Bakhmut early this year and they declined.
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1675878990748303362Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
1. posting tweets in these threads without a [more] tag not recommended
2. you are in error on E. Michael Jones. He did not write about Greta Therber’s titties on unz . com. He told that story on Tim Kelly’s podcast. Actually he did not speak about Greta Therber’s titties at all. He spoke about her absence of titties.
An analogy would be if I wrote about your absence of integrity.
3. Chew on this.
I recall John Kirby uncritically parroting a very high and dubious Russian casualty figure. A media person with some balls asked him about Kiev regime fatalities? He answered simply by saying that he didn't want to aid the adversary. Quite telling.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson
Some people are in an overly delusional denial. The proof of the pudding is in how Western mass media is gradually confirming the otherwise obvious.
I asked for his source on Russia destroying Ukrainian tanks and his response was “Forbes I think”.
You think doubting such a solid source is delusional?
Would you like to provide us with a source or are you just another Ritter/MacGregor follower that is fine with them pulling numbers out of their asses?
You post a lot of Ritter videos and he has been wrong every single month of this war.
It’s perfectly fine to be skeptical of the MSM but that doesn’t mean you should trust the word of a convicted sex criminal who was writing for Russian State News before the war started.
Where is this not happening? There has been very close integration among the Nordic countries now for decades. There is a very strong trade and cultural integration between the Nordic countries and the UK and the US. It is true that there are now other players such as China in this space, and it was up to the elites in those countries to let China in. Which I personally think is stupid.
As to Russia and the West cooperation, Russia had it good and it’s hard to understand why Russia didn’t live with wha they had (which was a lot!). Russia never intended to make the necessary political and economic changes to integrate closer, they reverted to Stalinism instead of becoming more democratic and rule of law based. And yet everyone tolerated it and treated them almost as an equal.
What did Russia feel was lacking? Why wasn’t it good enough? Russians could travel where ever they wanted, they could buy property in many places in the EU and the UK. They had the pipeline. Trade was on the way up. Yet they themselves were never in any rush to become more like Europeans. On the contrary – they switched back to worshipping Stalin and everything that goes with this. They were not in a rush to learn English or any other European language or to open up their own domestic markets and make their own markets more acceptable for investment. They had it good. They just wanted even more special rights and privileges without doing any work to improve their own society. And of course – constantly trying to sit on two chairs – we want to be part of Europe, but yet we are special, better than those other ones. We are our own special civilization. Well, then so be it.
And the biggest question – if Russia so wanted to integrate with the EU and to have this whole Eurasian integration, then why not let Ukraine integrate with Europe, and then follow that path? It would’ve made perfect sense, if this “Eurasian theory” were true. Obviously that’s not what it’s all about.
Numerous sources have already done so. I don’t bookmark each and everyone of them. Not only Ritter. Davis, Macgregor, Berletic among others confirming the otherwise obvious.
Judeo-Christian values are the number one necessity for fighting Jihadist invaders. Indigenous Palestinian Jews and indigenous French Christians are in the same boat. Working together is a 'no brainer'. Any candidate resisting the Great Muslim Replacement will naturally be a supporter of Israel.
Also key is avoiding the Atlanticist/Islamist game run by the European Empire. Judeo-Christians need to resist the jihad directed from places like Berlin, Brussels, and Davos. Merkel is without a doubt the "Most Atlanticist" leader ever, successfully bending failed Americans like GW and Obama to her will. There would be no Islamophile/Atlanticist movement without her and Germany.
Zemmour is despised by European NeoCons, including the Dassault, Badinter, and Rothschild (post-Judaic apostate) money crowd.
Of course, breaking through as an individual needing a coalition could bring problems similar to Trump's 1st term. Zemmour would not be able to immediately succeed at 100% of everything. Some areas would have compromises. Holding the line and beginning de-migration is an achievable hope.
Zemmour, or any other Judeo-Christian leader, will also have to battle the entrenched EU deep state. As we can see from Meloni's efforts, this is a time consuming fight that limits opportunities for quick results. It has taken months to reach temporary impounding of enemy troop transports. It will be more months before she can start jailing crews and scuttling captured vessels.
___
Again, Zemmour is the best option currently on the table for France to fight the Great Muslim Replacement. I am not stating he is the pinnacle choice on the entire planet. If you want to credibly oppose Zemmour, you need to:
Provide a name that can obtain the 500 signatures needed to run.
If you do not do so, you are tacitly admitting that Zemmour is the most viable option.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Coconuts
But how useful have American ideas and influence been in resisting mass immigration into Europe since the 50s?
European nationalists may be closer to Papacito, the French guy whose short video on the riots AK has posted a couple of times further up the thread. Papacito is known as an admirer of general Franco.
One thing Franco was well known for was his picturesque personal bodyguard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardia_Mora
The moors weren’t a problem for the Franco regime (more for its enemies):
Que otros paises guarden el oro, nosostros el moro
The core problem is the distinctly non-American Islamophile/Atlanticist movement. Hatred of Judeo-Christian values resulted in constructs such as the European WEF pushing Muslim values on immigration. Worse yet, from my point of view, European deviancy has been pushed to America.
Europe has to face that the problems of Europe are fundamentally European in origin. Incorrectly blaming Americans & Jews is a core Islamophile/Atlanticist misdirection technique used to keep coherent opposition to migration from forming. So... Who is the new Franco? I will give you the same challenge I put on ItF.
Provide a name that can obtain the 500 signatures needed to run.
If you do not do so, you are tacitly admitting that Zemmour is the most viable option.
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Okay then, the New York Times around 45 Leopards have been knocked out and around 50 T64s (a very good tank made by Ukies) and around 30 Bradley or M2 in a couple of weeks of offensive. Frankly, the one way that you do know you are having a battle is that you are losing gear. In principle the lack of loses being reported in the MSM indicates there’s no fighting.
I suspect rather they're being set up for destruction via a Russian style 'civil war' 2.0, though possibly even more brutal this go around, centered this time in the United States, but perhaps encompassing the whole of the Anglosphere, and perhaps bleeding some into Western Europe besides. Like the original Russian Civil War before it, with their roving political and racial/ethnic armies, led by warlords, it will appear for a time in certain ways much like a Mad Max scenario.
However, like the Russian Civil War before it, I submit this will more than likely be a rigged affair in favor of the Communists (Will it be the 'New Bolsheviks' now with their 'Black Reparations Army', more formally known as the 'Black Revolutionary Army', allies, the latter acting as the very spearhead of the Communist American revolution?)
What about outside help, like the White Russians got? Sure, but just like with them, it will probably be too little, too late, just as intended.
[The networking idea, though no doubt to be viciously resisted by the powers that be, might have a better shot at success.]
https://youtu.be/yFvqj8hJaS4Replies: @LatW
I agree. There would be chaos and after that chaos, a more totalitarian system could come into place. These accelerationists do not wish well to the West, they simply want it to crumble. What happens afterwards, they don’t care.
I understand the position of the French identitarian, it’s a relatively rational position from a selfish point of view and maybe even a common sense position. Btw, it is not something original, he is simply calling for secession (moving to the country side). It is not a bad suggestion overall, but it is not a long term solution.
What will happen is that some will move to the country side and will even be able to maintain a society there, but they will still be surrounded by chaos and immigrant masses, and eventually they themselves could become victims of a force that would come out of this chaos. Where is the guarantee that they will lead this force or that they can control it in any way if they simply bail? Their children will eventually be at its mercy.
If they bail and create another powerful force that is ready to fight chaos, then we can view them as serious players.
Numerous sources have already done so. I don’t bookmark each and everyone of them. Not only Ritter. Davis, Macgregor, Berletic among others confirming the otherwise obvious.
So you don’t have a source other than “cause a pro-Putin blogger says so”.
Exactly my point.
Okay then, the New York Times around 45 Leopards have been knocked out and around 50 T64s (a very good tank made by Ukies) and around 30 Bradley or M2 in a couple of weeks of offensive.
Ok then go ahead and cite the article.
Saying “I read it in the NYTIMES” is also not a source.
Frankly, the one way that you do know you are having a battle is that you are losing gear. In principle the lack of loses being reported in the MSM indicates there’s no fighting.
I am sure there are losses on both sides.
However I highly doubt there was a massive loss of Leopard tanks because we have seen very few videos of them in battle.
There are drone cameras being used by both sides. When Ukraine lost 3 Bradleys it was highlighted by Ritter and Russian TV News. That tells me that few tanks have been used if Ritter focuses on a single instance where 3 Bradleys ran into some mines and the crews escaped.
We really don’t know what is happening on the front. This offensive could still mostly be a feint. My guess is that they are prodding for holes before sending in tanks. Unlike Ritter and MacGregor I can acknowledge when I have limited information.
European nationalists may be closer to Papacito, the French guy whose short video on the riots AK has posted a couple of times further up the thread. Papacito is known as an admirer of general Franco.
One thing Franco was well known for was his picturesque personal bodyguard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardia_Mora
The moors weren't a problem for the Franco regime (more for its enemies):
Que otros paises guarden el oro, nosostros el moroReplies: @A123
Very few Americans have migrated to Europe since the 1950’s, so on that axis European resistance has been pretty good.
The core problem is the distinctly non-American Islamophile/Atlanticist movement. Hatred of Judeo-Christian values resulted in constructs such as the European WEF pushing Muslim values on immigration. Worse yet, from my point of view, European deviancy has been pushed to America.
Europe has to face that the problems of Europe are fundamentally European in origin. Incorrectly blaming Americans & Jews is a core Islamophile/Atlanticist misdirection technique used to keep coherent opposition to migration from forming.
So… Who is the new Franco? I will give you the same challenge I put on ItF.
Provide a name that can obtain the 500 signatures needed to run.
If you do not do so, you are tacitly admitting that Zemmour is the most viable option.
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https://medium.com/@nayakan88/can-india-survive-as-a-hindu-state-649cf9746332
Not much is happening – it is not a large, successful offensive. Maybe next time. At least admit that the breathless talk in the last few months has been mostly hot air.
They are not finding any holes. If it stays that way, will Kiev refrain from sending in the ‘tanks‘ and instead send in more clowns? Like Zelko? How is that guy going to live down what he has done? He caused the death of tens of thousands and destroyed his own country in order to join Nato and ban the Russian language…quite a guy. He should also dress better.
Unlike the coruscatingly creative use of light mobile forces and psychological warfare on social media concentrated on an area weakly held by the Russians seen in the Kharkov offensive last year, Ukraine is now completely predictable; they are going head on at a well prepared defences and doing so in a defuse way on a broad front. That could only work if the Russian command and and control had broken down, or if they were outgunned; the supreme Ukrainian military commander recently said in the context of explaining the slow progress of the counter offensive that the Russians have a ten to one advantage in artillery.
Mercouris recently referenced a Kiev institute study saying that the % of Ukrainians in Kiev regime controlled territory went from 9% (first few months of the SMO) to 78% of that population personally knowing killed Kiev regime armed combatants. This survey he said was before this current offensive.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Do you have a link to the survey that Mercouris mentions?
Also, in regards to people preferring to live, that’s true for other wars too, not just for this war. I doubt that the various combatants in WWI would have had enough manpower to fight effectively for so long if they didn’t force unwilling men to fight against their will.
Russia could have indeed sought to have a Eurasian pole within the EU. The problem is that Russia would need to reform in terms of corruption, democracy, and human rights (extrajudicial killings of critics, etc.) before it would ever actually be considered for EU membership. It’s possible, but very difficult, and requires a different Russian regime.
I wonder just how much Russians’ more violent tendencies post-Soviet collapse relative to Ukrainians were the rest of Russians drinking more alcohol than Ukrainians did. I know that historically speaking Ukrainians lived longer than Russians did until the last several years.
Also, in regards to people preferring to live, that's true for other wars too, not just for this war. I doubt that the various combatants in WWI would have had enough manpower to fight effectively for so long if they didn't force unwilling men to fight against their will.Replies: @Sean
Anyone who wants to fight would have volunteered by now. There are a lot of men coming back minus legs from mines, which are an underreported source of KIA on both sides.
That is very close to The Flash and well below The Little Mermaid (1). Indy needs global box office of ~$900MM just to break even. Flash will fall short of $300MM.
One can hear the banshee wail... Will Kathleen Kennedy escape again? She is trying to shift blame onto Disney's marketing department for not promoting the movie correctly.
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(1) https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destiny-(2023)/Flash-The/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=day_by_day_comparisonReplies: @songbird
Have you seen this list of box office bombs, which seems to hint the bombs are drastically increasing?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs
I wonder if movie theaters won’t soon be a thing of the past, analogous to drive-ins. Hard to understand how it works as an economic model, to give up half (or more) of your potential revenue. And to compete with the increasing number of options.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/budgets
Audiences were restricted by the CCP's WUHAN-19 plague. So, 2020 & 2021 will be over represented.
However, the real problem is bad movies. Go Woke! Go Broke!
• When you think of Marvel what names immediately spring to mind? Ironman, Captain America, and Thor are the usual top picks.
• What is the big film later this year? The Marvels. Let's see... Kamala Khan, Monica Rambeau, and Carol Danvers.
The comic book for Kamala Khan "Ms. Marvel" has been cancelled and the character killed off. Did anyone watch Wandavision on Disney+ which introduced Monica Rambeau?
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/the-marvels-movie-poster.jpg
Look at the poster. Don't turn away. It is Pure, Unadulterated, CRINGE. You can already feel the #EpicFAIL coming. Making a good movie at a reasonable cost could still work. Shorter movies would also help via more screenings per theatre per day.
The model under the most stress are streaming services. Disney+ lost almost $4 Billion in 2022. That is 4-5x the cinema losses. More money will be hemorrhaged in 2023. She Hulk flop. Secret Invasion flop. Loki Season 2 may break even, but it is burdened with Jonathan Majors.
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But I suspect that the proliferation of big action movies is in part due to the fact that more intimate, dramatic films centered on dialogue are not necessary to be seen in theaters. One doesn’t need a huge screen for that.
And a different kind of brain for 70% of their population.
Some Bible text trivia, which may be not surprising to most, but it was news to me. Makes sense perhaps as the most magic sounding details seem to appear the more time passes from original text/event:
https://worldhistory.medium.com/how-old-are-the-oldest-manuscripts-c29eab221cee
Mark is good kek. A great satire of Judaism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs
I wonder if movie theaters won't soon be a thing of the past, analogous to drive-ins. Hard to understand how it works as an economic model, to give up half (or more) of your potential revenue. And to compete with the increasing number of options.Replies: @A123, @AP
There is another list here, scroll all the way to the bottom.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/budgets
Audiences were restricted by the CCP’s WUHAN-19 plague. So, 2020 & 2021 will be over represented.
However, the real problem is bad movies. Go Woke! Go Broke!
• When you think of Marvel what names immediately spring to mind? Ironman, Captain America, and Thor are the usual top picks.
• What is the big film later this year? The Marvels. Let’s see… Kamala Khan, Monica Rambeau, and Carol Danvers.
The comic book for Kamala Khan “Ms. Marvel” has been cancelled and the character killed off. Did anyone watch Wandavision on Disney+ which introduced Monica Rambeau?
Look at the poster. Don’t turn away. It is Pure, Unadulterated, CRINGE. You can already feel the #EpicFAIL coming.
Making a good movie at a reasonable cost could still work. Shorter movies would also help via more screenings per theatre per day.
The model under the most stress are streaming services. Disney+ lost almost $4 Billion in 2022. That is 4-5x the cinema losses. More money will be hemorrhaged in 2023. She Hulk flop. Secret Invasion flop. Loki Season 2 may break even, but it is burdened with Jonathan Majors.
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It is so amusing. Girls don't like that sort of stuff. Any prediction market would predict it will be a failure. It is not even three pretty women, and, in theory, it would be easy to find pretty women to be in a movie.
Elon is a moron.
That much was clear to me the moment I saw him taking ad-hoc Twitter policy decisions through popular polls but I don’t remember such a long and catastrophic outage in any other big internet company. In the end, instead of recovering the ideal of freedom of expression, what he has really accomplished is damage it further by associating it with arbitrary decisions and mismanagement.
Which shows how basing your ideas on the thinking of the elites is a questionable strategy. Success and money fries the brains of too many of them.
Btw, AK’s idea of “elite human capital” as some group of ill defined high IQ, visionary people who defend open borders and lgbtq rights is also quite dubious. I don’t think any such group exists but I do think that there isn’t any prominent defender of open borders and gender fluidity who is not also in total favor of Ukraine so we may not have seen the end of AK’s ideological flip.
EHC aren't so much defined by sharing a certain set of ideological viewpoints (ultimately even cognitive elites often hold the regressive views embedded in the societies of which they are a part) but by pushing society through repeatedly winning arguments towards superior ethical outcomes.
One example would be the Aztec intellectuals, of whom there are records, who criticized the practice of human sacrifice.
Closed borders and especially the killings of complex animals are likely to be regarded in a similar vein in future centuries or even decades.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Anon4343, @Mikel
2. There is no such thing as "lgbtq" freakshow rights. Its just a repackaging and fusion of feminism, shifting from industrial to services based economy, Catholic elites in western countries seeing themselves as massively inferior to their WASP equivalents and viewing complete rejection of Catholic doctrine as their best method to compete (Biden, Macron, the Kennedy familyetc) .....and other insidious , business-related reasons.
Just like most people agree that methods need to be done to not pollute our environment , and most people agree faggots should not be killed on the street or banned from homeowning, renting, jobs etc........the arguments are effectively over on it. What is seen now with Global warming campaign and LGBT rights freakshow is criminal exploitation of these issues for other purposes.
Far from all volunteers have been sent to fight. My cousin volunteered for territorial defense, got some light training, but hadn’t been sent anywhere other than home. He’ll fight if calked to do so.
Also new people willing to fight come of age.
I prefer the …And They Were Afraid” ending.
Mark is good kek. A great satire of Judaism.
I’m not even sure that the vehicles are the key casualties. More interested in the bleed off of talented drivers and clever commanders. The squad of keen Panzer Grenadiers who get killed too. Not many men are really made for war. A few thousand of these keen young men dead and the assault comes to a stop.
It doesn’t matter really. The Ukies have lost around 100 tanks so far in June. They’ve lost around three Battalions of highly trained personnel. If not more.
I don’t think it is happening in the UK, the cultural orientation is away from Northern Europe now and towards the South. The same with the future demographic orientation (the two will be connected). This is what prompted me to write that reply.
At one time if you were thinking about typical characteristics of British identity, it might have involved some basic things like Protestantism, Germanic/Scandinavian influences, industrialisation and class issues.
But lately the emphasis has shifted to global commerce plus the legacy of empire, multiculturalism and the important contribution of blacks and other non-Europeans to creating Britain, racism. This is sort of clear in the media and cultural production.
Partly it must be naturally driven by demographic change, but also it seems to reflect the choice of a Southern option for the future. One issue might be that different Northern Euro countries now have different Southern orientations according to where their immigrant populations originate from. This may set them off in different directions in the future, especially if they adopt the current Anglo model of integration which is more minority centred.
Russian attitudes don’t seem completely out of line with the attitudes of an old European great power, though not compatible with an EU state. Once the Soviet Union was a peer to the US and they collaborated to set down the rules of the new international order after WW2, and maybe this hasn’t been forgotten, even though it is now more out of place and they don’t have the same power and status as the USSR did in its era.
I clarified this before.
EHC aren’t so much defined by sharing a certain set of ideological viewpoints (ultimately even cognitive elites often hold the regressive views embedded in the societies of which they are a part) but by pushing society through repeatedly winning arguments towards superior ethical outcomes.
One example would be the Aztec intellectuals, of whom there are records, who criticized the practice of human sacrifice.
Closed borders and especially the killings of complex animals are likely to be regarded in a similar vein in future centuries or even decades.
On an unrelated note, I suspect that polyamorous relationships would be more accepted in the future, even though most people likely will still not practice them (similar to how most Westerners likely support same-sex marriage right now in spite of them being uninterested in personally being in a same-sex marriage).
You eat beef and have nothing against killing horses.
You now virtue signal a lot but are not even a vegetarian/vegan but a meat eater.
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1626417569048428548Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ
Regarding the first, I always opposed it because it was unnecessary to change an institution that predates the state to accommodate the rights of a vocal minority. Those rights could have perfectly been taken care of through changes to civil law wrt de facto couples, that I wouldn't have opposed, without modifying the institution of matrimony. Ironically, most countries in the 1st World had already done that. But what I didn't fully understand at the time is that the victory of the gay marriage battle would inevitably lead to the epidemic of child and teen gender paranoia, clearly driven by committed adults, that we're now living in countries like the US. Things have reached levels of insanity that I doubt even you would have predicted when you were still living in the US, not so long ago.
I didn't know that you were interested in ethical outcomes, anyway. A short while ago, you were totally in favor of a war of conquest that was sure to cause massive damage to civilians with thousands of dead and millions of refugees. How many in that ehc camp do you think shared that view? And how can a non-arbitrary distinction ever exist on what is and is not a complex animal? Humans have evolved to get some of their essential nutrients from animals, regardless of their complexity and technology is far away from untying that knot without nutritional and sensory drawbacks.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
The core problem is the distinctly non-American Islamophile/Atlanticist movement. Hatred of Judeo-Christian values resulted in constructs such as the European WEF pushing Muslim values on immigration. Worse yet, from my point of view, European deviancy has been pushed to America.
Europe has to face that the problems of Europe are fundamentally European in origin. Incorrectly blaming Americans & Jews is a core Islamophile/Atlanticist misdirection technique used to keep coherent opposition to migration from forming. So... Who is the new Franco? I will give you the same challenge I put on ItF.
Provide a name that can obtain the 500 signatures needed to run.
If you do not do so, you are tacitly admitting that Zemmour is the most viable option.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Coconuts
Blaming Jews in Europe is mild now but used to be more serious when Europe was more Christian. I think the main motivation wasn’t love of Islam or trying to make America more liberal.
Imo one of the differences between the US and Europe is that socialism is seen as subversive or unacceptable in the US, when in most of Europe it is more of a mainstream idea. I tend to agree with that souverainiste guy Pierre Yves Rougeyron on this, that the only realistic solution to the immigration problem will be socialist, people will have to be ready to pay more to employ a fellow countryman.
Franco ended up with the powers of an absolute monarch in a state without a written constitution until its last years, I bet it will be a while before there is another Franco in Europe.
Zemmour’s book ‘Le Suicide français’ was good, although it does contain some challenging stuff about Jewish/Zionist interests in France.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/budgets
Audiences were restricted by the CCP's WUHAN-19 plague. So, 2020 & 2021 will be over represented.
However, the real problem is bad movies. Go Woke! Go Broke!
• When you think of Marvel what names immediately spring to mind? Ironman, Captain America, and Thor are the usual top picks.
• What is the big film later this year? The Marvels. Let's see... Kamala Khan, Monica Rambeau, and Carol Danvers.
The comic book for Kamala Khan "Ms. Marvel" has been cancelled and the character killed off. Did anyone watch Wandavision on Disney+ which introduced Monica Rambeau?
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/the-marvels-movie-poster.jpg
Look at the poster. Don't turn away. It is Pure, Unadulterated, CRINGE. You can already feel the #EpicFAIL coming. Making a good movie at a reasonable cost could still work. Shorter movies would also help via more screenings per theatre per day.
The model under the most stress are streaming services. Disney+ lost almost $4 Billion in 2022. That is 4-5x the cinema losses. More money will be hemorrhaged in 2023. She Hulk flop. Secret Invasion flop. Loki Season 2 may break even, but it is burdened with Jonathan Majors.
PEACE 😇Replies: @QCIC, @songbird
They could probably save one new Marvel movie with the Flerkin, but goose can only do so much 🙂
Honestly it doesn't matter if some of the money gets looted. What matters is that it stays in Ukraine. Italy has long been corrupt and they quickly rebounded after WW2. There is definitely a risk where Ukraine never fully recovers due to losing so many men. I believe Russia is currently losing but I have never said that Ukraine will definitely win. It's entirely possible that Russia will grind down their best men using poor Ivans from the Urals and Tututs from Siberia. Then the two countries settle and Putin acts like he won by getting Donbas or part of it. Russian State TV of course won't mention his originally stated goals. The war could end up being a dysgenic disaster for Ukraine. Russians basically throw their village drunks in waves at Ukrainian middle class warriors. But I'm still optimistic because I believe Ukraine has the better generals. I'd really like this war to be over as I strongly believe it doesn't serve the best in interest of Western Whites or Russian Slavs. It's hard to say at this point since we don't know the casualties of either side. I'd say a 10 billion dollar investment plan into Ukraine after the war is a conservative estimate. But it won't matter if they lost a huge chunk of men. Unlike Ritter, MacGregor and Moon of Alabama I'm actually fine with saying that we don't know everything. Anyways a short answer is that I'd expect at least 10 billion invested but it won't matter if they lost too many men. No reason to invest 30-40 billion if the men aren't there. Maybe we could send over some of these bitter Putin supporting incels.Replies: @QCIC, @Ennui
Most of the anti-Ukraine commentators here are married men with kids who resent our money going for those parasites either directly or through inflation or economic disruption.
I know it’s not inspiring, kind of banal. Apparently not all of us are living in the fast lane like you, player, posting on here and fighting the good fight for the Ukraine when not wowing the ladies
I do not have a full slate for 😆 Open Thread Humor 😁
However, the first item is relevant for mistakes that will be made tomorrow by Team Darwin.
As usual, open [MORE] for the rest.
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EHC aren't so much defined by sharing a certain set of ideological viewpoints (ultimately even cognitive elites often hold the regressive views embedded in the societies of which they are a part) but by pushing society through repeatedly winning arguments towards superior ethical outcomes.
One example would be the Aztec intellectuals, of whom there are records, who criticized the practice of human sacrifice.
Closed borders and especially the killings of complex animals are likely to be regarded in a similar vein in future centuries or even decades.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Anon4343, @Mikel
What if turns out that EHC get their above average cognitive abilities through eating complex animals?
• What is the most complex animal?
• Should it be eaten?
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Socialist only is not enough, nationalist dimension should be added too, nevermind how bad it may sound because of the previous NSDAP escapades, which contaminated that word combination for the ages;)
imho, the preferable solution should be total robotization of aging societies too, which should make immigration not needed while having no negative effect of job losses, because people will go into retirement instead of losing the job. The biggest hurdle here is lack of technological invention pace, because fully functional restless robotic nurses and robotic elderly asistants are nowhere near on the horizon yet, despite all the ongoing AI dooming.
Robots?Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel
If you’re actually following this matter with a relative sense of objectivity, you’d know that the Kiev regime is taking heavy casualties on account of a lack of air support and artillery shells – something that they’ve periodically acknowledged. You were non-comm ital to the Berletic video posted earlier at this thread.
Ummmmmm……. You might want to rephrase that…. it has incendiary implications.
• What is the most complex animal?
• Should it be eaten?
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🙂
I was thinking of the timeless conundrum of the "nice carnivore".
How to Serve Man
It is ugly and unnecessary – we are already getting the losing side talking about a potential baby boom after the war. They don’t worry too much about the casualties: let’s kill the current crop of the Ukie men and for sure new people willing to fight will come of age – as AP so helpfully observed. (He is a sociopath.)
If nothing else this war illuminates how people f..ed up so horribly in the past: sociopaths start dreaming, then they start lying to themself, then they insist that everyone must believe in the lies…human lives become cheap and disposable – but the really evil people cheer on the slaughter from far away. It is always like that, no skin in the game makes for bloody fanaticism…
Your excuses, trying to justify an invasion of another country and blaming the victim are exactly what a sociopath would do, however.
Strelkov about current military action in UA:
https://t.me/strelkovii/5858
So we would expect Ukraine to have fully committed all reserves by the end of the month. This is in line with what Milley has suggested. It's not clear how much longer the offensive would last after that point.Replies: @Wokechoke
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/budgets
Audiences were restricted by the CCP's WUHAN-19 plague. So, 2020 & 2021 will be over represented.
However, the real problem is bad movies. Go Woke! Go Broke!
• When you think of Marvel what names immediately spring to mind? Ironman, Captain America, and Thor are the usual top picks.
• What is the big film later this year? The Marvels. Let's see... Kamala Khan, Monica Rambeau, and Carol Danvers.
The comic book for Kamala Khan "Ms. Marvel" has been cancelled and the character killed off. Did anyone watch Wandavision on Disney+ which introduced Monica Rambeau?
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/the-marvels-movie-poster.jpg
Look at the poster. Don't turn away. It is Pure, Unadulterated, CRINGE. You can already feel the #EpicFAIL coming. Making a good movie at a reasonable cost could still work. Shorter movies would also help via more screenings per theatre per day.
The model under the most stress are streaming services. Disney+ lost almost $4 Billion in 2022. That is 4-5x the cinema losses. More money will be hemorrhaged in 2023. She Hulk flop. Secret Invasion flop. Loki Season 2 may break even, but it is burdened with Jonathan Majors.
PEACE 😇Replies: @QCIC, @songbird
Had to look it up, to check that it was real.
It is so amusing. Girls don’t like that sort of stuff. Any prediction market would predict it will be a failure. It is not even three pretty women, and, in theory, it would be easy to find pretty women to be in a movie.
There is nothing sociopathic about the observation that young people willing to defend their country come of age.
Your excuses, trying to justify an invasion of another country and blaming the victim are exactly what a sociopath would do, however.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs
I wonder if movie theaters won't soon be a thing of the past, analogous to drive-ins. Hard to understand how it works as an economic model, to give up half (or more) of your potential revenue. And to compete with the increasing number of options.Replies: @A123, @AP
Not until home movie theaters with huge screens as in movie theaters become standard. But if that happens maybe the movie industry ups the ante all movies go IMAX? There’s something to be said for a more immersive experience.
But I suspect that the proliferation of big action movies is in part due to the fact that more intimate, dramatic films centered on dialogue are not necessary to be seen in theaters. One doesn’t need a huge screen for that.
If Moscow and other parts of Russia were in turmoil like Paris and other parts of France right now, the Western mass media coverage would be wall to wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIfivsN4328Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @S, @Ivashka the fool
Moscow in July looks like paradise. It’s too bad about those ghastly six months every year. : (
We know that Ukraine is taking heavy casualties but we don’t know how many and we also don’t know how high Russian casualties are right now.
Strelkov has been far and away the best analyst of the conflict so far. He gets stuff wrong but he is the most reliable person when it comes to reporting information from the front.
So we would expect Ukraine to have fully committed all reserves by the end of the month. This is in line with what Milley has suggested. It’s not clear how much longer the offensive would last after that point.
I like Cyberspec1 “Tony” also. Good telegram and Twitter feed. You get an impression from the Russian side.
I like the Moscow in Metro 2033 better tbh.
I don’t know how old your cousin is; I suppose that training is directed at the most promising candidates for the best combat formations. I can tell you that many wised up Ukrainian mothers (including some with skills useful to Ukraine such as medical professionals) leave the country when their sons are about to turn 18. because they know the army would instantly come for their boy. Young men with their energy, naïve determination and mobility on foot make the best soldiers for high tempo infantry assault such as the Ukrainian offensive tactic is evolving into, and once inducted into the army they would soon find themselves earmarked for units in the thick of it.
I have nephews from northern Ukraine who were manning blockposts outside their village when the Russians were outside Kiev (they were several dozen km or so away from where the Russians were, but in the chaotic weeks people weren't sure where Russians would turn up). They were never placed into the regular army and so far have not been sent to any front either. Many do (I personally met such a case in the USA, with a 16 year old son) and many don't. I didn't notice lots of teenage Ukrainian boys when I visited Poland, mostly women and little kids. This is nonsense. Most men in Ukraine are not mobilized and do not get mobilized as soon as they turn 18.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1676162684297814018?s=20Replies: @QCIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIfivsN4328Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @S, @Ivashka the fool
As Joe Biden would say ‘Come on, man! Where’s the vibrancy?’ 🙂
Yep, unfortunately.
EHC aren't so much defined by sharing a certain set of ideological viewpoints (ultimately even cognitive elites often hold the regressive views embedded in the societies of which they are a part) but by pushing society through repeatedly winning arguments towards superior ethical outcomes.
One example would be the Aztec intellectuals, of whom there are records, who criticized the practice of human sacrifice.
Closed borders and especially the killings of complex animals are likely to be regarded in a similar vein in future centuries or even decades.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Anon4343, @Mikel
Conquering countries for their human capital is already viewed in such a way right now, at least among Western and pro-Western (which includes Russian) EHC.
Ilya Somin argues that citizenship creates a modern-day hereditary aristocracy:
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/07/the-hereditary-aristocracy-of-citizenshi/
(He has also argued against deporting migrants for crimes unless natives are also deported for equivalent crimes.)
That said, though, if one is actually serious about rejecting hereditary privilege, then one should also oppose giving some children a much better quality of life than certain under children based on factors that are completely out of their control, such as who their biological parents are and how exactly they were conceived. If a parent volunteers to financially support their child, then it’s one thing, but not if the coercive power of the state is used to achieve this goal and to reinforce hereditary privilege. Support all children with a sufficiently large UBI for each child and make legal parenthood voluntary for everyone.
BTW, why was Odesa relatively low crime in Ukraine even though it’s a historically pro-Russian city (not anymore, but definitely was until 2014)?
It would be like the King of Spain declaring Mexicans to be Spanish subjects because of their language...
Or in Europe it would be like the UK saying that Ireland is actually part of Greater England because they speak English.
It's recognized as nonsense about any other international language but lots of supporters of russia think it doesn't apply to russian....Replies: @Wokechoke
Who’s gonna pay for the pensions ?
Robots?
In practice, I fear that the French are too far gone to accept such a solution. If given the choice, a majority could well prefer the existence of a permanent, unassimilable underclass of foreign origin and continuing to increase it with newcomers than giving up their right to generous tax-funded pensions for life. Nordic countries are more likely to do the transition for purely economic reasons than the stubborn French for economic and civilizational reasons.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIfivsN4328Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @S, @Ivashka the fool
Moscow is a country unto itself.
• What is the most complex animal?
• Should it be eaten?
PEACE 😇Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @PetrOldSack, @QCIC
Only if it’s kosher…
🙂
When attackers are moving though minefields and into artillery range while there are drones overheard zeroing in the howitzers the defender–especially one with with big gun and rocket firepower advantage plus command of the air behind its front line –is holding all the cards. The Ukrainian high command (meaning the military professionals) surely realise that, so this is a politically motivated offensive.
Beating the Russians in Ukraine (or at least forcing them to ask for negotiations and put their gains on the table) will certainly remain possible, but I am not sure the US ever envisioned the open ended level of commitment to supply arms that will be necessary for doing that. I think America’s strategists thought I would be more like Afghanistan, where a modern amount of support enabled the resistance to bleed a half hearted effort Russians until a leader in the Kremlin called a halt, with the decision to withdraw taken four years before it happened, and the results being a disappointment to the Kremlin.
So Russia can be under no illusions, it is is going to have to be well and truly beaten in Ukraine. The West could do that quite quickly at unconscionable risk of Russian resort to a big b*ng. The West might be able attain the deired result while keeping within the fine balance whereby the Kremlin becomes totally demoralised yet not desperate to the extent it might become panicky.
However, inflicting such a defeat of Russia will require gradual discouragement: a long slog by Ukraine and it being supplied with quantities of near state of the art armaments that have not been envisioned. New productive capacity would have to be created in the West to keep Ukraine in the fight and grinding down a stymied Russian army. Such a Western effort has not been hitherto envisioned in Washington alliance capitols, certainly not as one that would need to kept be running for several years (I think the productive and fighting manpower resources of Russia that will be be drawn on in response to a surge in Western assistance to Ukraine would take some time to be safely nullified).
EHC aren't so much defined by sharing a certain set of ideological viewpoints (ultimately even cognitive elites often hold the regressive views embedded in the societies of which they are a part) but by pushing society through repeatedly winning arguments towards superior ethical outcomes.
One example would be the Aztec intellectuals, of whom there are records, who criticized the practice of human sacrifice.
Closed borders and especially the killings of complex animals are likely to be regarded in a similar vein in future centuries or even decades.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Anon4343, @Mikel
BTW, are network states going to have closed borders? Or at least borders that are de facto closed to those people who are not going to be able to pay the extremely massive entrance fees that network states might require? If so, how will this be morally justified? Shouldn’t the borders of network states be open to everyone just like the borders of nation-states are, at least if one is actually concerned about being morally consistent in regards to this?
On an unrelated note, I suspect that polyamorous relationships would be more accepted in the future, even though most people likely will still not practice them (similar to how most Westerners likely support same-sex marriage right now in spite of them being uninterested in personally being in a same-sex marriage).
According to Russia it’s 10 to 1 in their favor which seems reasonable.
Are you retarded or something?
US infantry in a straight gun fight didn't have that exchange vs Taliban.
A fight between a banana & a leopard won't favor the banana so much.
Usually the attacker needs ੩-੫x more numbers so we can assume that much more casualty.
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Are you saying the Russian forces are ੨-੩x better than Hohols?
Where? Which Russian forces? Could you show them because I would like to receive their training.
ਅਕਾਲ
Beating the Russians in Ukraine (or at least forcing them to ask for negotiations and put their gains on the table) will certainly remain possible, but I am not sure the US ever envisioned the open ended level of commitment to supply arms that will be necessary for doing that. I think America's strategists thought I would be more like Afghanistan, where a modern amount of support enabled the resistance to bleed a half hearted effort Russians until a leader in the Kremlin called a halt, with the decision to withdraw taken four years before it happened, and the results being a disappointment to the Kremlin. So Russia can be under no illusions, it is is going to have to be well and truly beaten in Ukraine. The West could do that quite quickly at unconscionable risk of Russian resort to a big b*ng. The West might be able attain the deired result while keeping within the fine balance whereby the Kremlin becomes totally demoralised yet not desperate to the extent it might become panicky.
However, inflicting such a defeat of Russia will require gradual discouragement: a long slog by Ukraine and it being supplied with quantities of near state of the art armaments that have not been envisioned. New productive capacity would have to be created in the West to keep Ukraine in the fight and grinding down a stymied Russian army. Such a Western effort has not been hitherto envisioned in Washington alliance capitols, certainly not as one that would need to kept be running for several years (I think the productive and fighting manpower resources of Russia that will be be drawn on in response to a surge in Western assistance to Ukraine would take some time to be safely nullified).Replies: @Greasy William
What you are suggesting would lead to a Ukrainian battlefield victory would take years to build up and cost hundreds of billions of dollars. Such an effort by the US would be a guarantee that Russia would fully mobilize and that China would drastically scale up its own current level of assistance to Moscow. I really think you drastically overstate the US fear of Russia using nuclear weapons. It’s very doubtful Russia would ever launch a nuclear strike unless the survival of the state was in question.
Remember, the US is politically incapable of sending in troops and Ukraine doesn’t have the manpower on its own to evict the Russians from all Ukrainian territory.
Yes, politically motivated and carried out on the orders of the Biden regime who arrogantly believed the Russia lines would collapse at the first sight of Western armor.
Insofar as there was any coherent strategy at all, this is probably true
___So the real question is, "What are European capitals willing to do to support their imperial ambitions?" Will Paris and Berlin put in €100 Billion per year to keep this going? The European strategists badly misread the situation if Europe's goal was 'winning'. Now put on your cynical hat and ask more subtle questions -- What if the European Empire provoked this conflict for a reason that involved 'losing'? How do Berlin and Paris benefit from turning Ukraine into a failed state? Do you believe Putin would allow Crimea to fall rather than use nukes? That is what the Kiev regime has defined as their victory condition. Fortunately, America is walking away from Europe's strategic failure. So, this will never be put to the test.PEACE 😇
Niggers.
10 to 1 means a platoon destroying a battalion.
Are you retarded or something?
US infantry in a straight gun fight didn’t have that exchange vs Taliban.
A fight between a banana & a leopard won’t favor the banana so much.
Usually the attacker needs ੩-੫x more numbers so we can assume that much more casualty.
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Are you saying the Russian forces are ੨-੩x better than Hohols?
Where? Which Russian forces? Could you show them because I would like to receive their training.
ਅਕਾਲ
• What is the most complex animal?
• Should it be eaten?
PEACE 😇Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @PetrOldSack, @QCIC
To call above high IQ, well con-texted, big picture, a deduction for general intelligence?
Crimea is no Khyber Pass.
So we would expect Ukraine to have fully committed all reserves by the end of the month. This is in line with what Milley has suggested. It's not clear how much longer the offensive would last after that point.Replies: @Wokechoke
He’s an interesting Major’s Eye View of things.
I like Cyberspec1 “Tony” also. Good telegram and Twitter feed. You get an impression from the Russian side.
Witness the Muslimization of Moscow! John Johnson.
Robots?Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel
Why not? Commercial and even private means of transport already have been taxed one way or another, robots can be taxed too.
Because you know how big capital and especially publicly traded TNCs react to increased taxation. They vote with their feet. To get to your solution, we need One World Government. Let me see; One Government, UBI, ESG, censorship, 15 minute cities, multiculti – USSR 2.0. What was the trouble we’ve gone through all about? Just changing the Noviop for the Neocon? Хрен редьки не слаще.
Islamisation of Moscow is real. The Slav do not breed. The Noviop import millions of Central Asians. I saw it with my very eyes, I still remember when seeing one of these in Moscow was exotic. Less than two generations ago. Of course it’s the same thing in the West, for exactly the same reason: demographics is destiny.
*I like to repeat my Muscovite aunt's joke - she once took the Moscow metro very early in the morning, and complained that she saw so many Tadjiks that she thought she was in Paris.Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @Thulean Friend
For example, probably not many guest workers live in Petrogradsky Island. It is an expensive historical center of Saint-Petersburg. It's guest workers flooding there from their overfull apartment in the suburbs for the religious services after Ramadan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRQ_PZl6IEE
Japan has a low birthrate, but Tokyo is still Japanese. Strelkov is an evil Nazi war criminal but he is correct when he says that the Putin regime is engaging in a Russian version of the Great ReplacementReplies: @Dmitry
I understand the position of the French identitarian, it's a relatively rational position from a selfish point of view and maybe even a common sense position. Btw, it is not something original, he is simply calling for secession (moving to the country side). It is not a bad suggestion overall, but it is not a long term solution.
What will happen is that some will move to the country side and will even be able to maintain a society there, but they will still be surrounded by chaos and immigrant masses, and eventually they themselves could become victims of a force that would come out of this chaos. Where is the guarantee that they will lead this force or that they can control it in any way if they simply bail? Their children will eventually be at its mercy.
If they bail and create another powerful force that is ready to fight chaos, then we can view them as serious players.Replies: @S
Yes, I should have added that I think there is another deliberate aspect to any chaos that may take place in civil war conditions. The powers that be would let people stew for some months without regular food and fuel deliveries, without police, without ATMs (!), until folks demand order be restored, which the state, with certain significant changes in how things had been done before, will be happy to oblige.
America is headed into elections that make such an effort impossible. Budget will be allocated to projects that obtain votes. Dubious foreign adventurism in Ukraine is rapidly diminishing in appeal. Next year it will be lower still. Backing the losing Kiev regime is a political liability for the Democrats.
The current House is already planning cuts. Not to mention that full audits will go with programs. The significant pull back may begin sooner than many believe.
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So the real question is, “What are European capitals willing to do to support their imperial ambitions?” Will Paris and Berlin put in €100 Billion per year to keep this going? The European strategists badly misread the situation if Europe’s goal was ‘winning’.
Now put on your cynical hat and ask more subtle questions — What if the European Empire provoked this conflict for a reason that involved ‘losing’? How do Berlin and Paris benefit from turning Ukraine into a failed state?
Do you believe Putin would allow Crimea to fall rather than use nukes? That is what the Kiev regime has defined as their victory condition.
Fortunately, America is walking away from Europe’s strategic failure. So, this will never be put to the test.
PEACE 😇
Cancelling the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics is the fairer approach to the IOC’s current hypocritically bigoted stance:
Gerard Depardieu probably liked the tax laws but I suspect he liked being transported back to when Paris was a great deal whiter. Moscow looks pleasant. But as Joe “you ain’t black if you don’t vote for me” Biden says Moscow needs more niggers.
I know it's not inspiring, kind of banal. Apparently not all of us are living in the fast lane like you, player, posting on here and fighting the good fight for the Ukraine when not wowing the ladiesReplies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death
The incel quip really does make you wonder if Johnson is even a man.
Big capital and publicly traded TNCs HQ can migrate anywhere they want, but cars and trucks still are physically based/need to be registered and taxed in main markets where they are used and/or made, robots can/will be too.
All taxation would be added to the pricing of goods and services therefore fueling the inflation. The pensions would need to be regularly adjusted to the inflation rate, which would need more taxation. OTOH, people who still care to breed create future wealth through their children. Of course that only happens if their children are well socialized and somewhat educated. Education should be the focus, applied everywhere to everyone.
Breeders can breed if they want in the robotized society too, nobody should start bother them because of it, but imho it's unproductive to nag at those who don't want to, their children more likely would likely just be miserable, if parents are not prepared or psychologically fit to do the parenting.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
His over-the-top anger at Putin is pretty emotional considering if he is a American male, Putin has done nothing to him.
Smacks of a childless career gal of a certain age who hits the wine before she posts here. A gal who projects all her anger at the assholes in her past on Putin.
Combine the above pathology with some Eastern European ancestry of the Slavic or cosmopolitan variety, and voila, liberal resistance hawk cool aunt girlboss.
Johnson could also be gay. Western gay men never forgave Putin for shutting down their access.
So, despite the future robotization…everything will stay just more or less, but the same as it is now in this regard, no any new horrors;)
Breeders can breed if they want in the robotized society too, nobody should start bother them because of it, but imho it’s unproductive to nag at those who don’t want to, their children more likely would likely just be miserable, if parents are not prepared or psychologically fit to do the parenting.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/10/27/us-lost-over-60-million-jobs-now-robots-tech-and-artificial-intelligence-will-take-millions-more/
Not everyone would happy to be a yoga teacher or an only fans' "influencer".
Besides, there is Jihad in Butlerian Jihad.
Cato and Aristotle mentioned feeding elms to cattle. Elms were the preferred leaf feedstock, called “friend of cattle” and “sustenance of cattle.” How did they reach the elm leaves, I wonder? Is it (as I think) coppicing?
Been reading this book on old Irish agricultural law, in tiny doses on and off, and it is pretty wack. Did you know they used to sometimes slaughter the calf, and then make a sort of dummy using its skin, to trick the cow into giving milk?
Another practice was equally puzzling and disgusting: (warning, not for squeamish)
When a cow stopped giving milk, they would blow into its vagina.
1.) How does something like that work?
2.) Who was the inventor? Some reason to believe it was an imported practice (would guess from France, sort of like Norman keeps)
I assume you mean access to sodomites adopting Russian children…which I suspect may very well lay at the root of the current Globohomo American establishment hostility to Russia.
Happy July 4th:
AK should incorporate the ideas of Janne Miettinen (i.e. that solar and lunar cycles create periods of poz) into his scifi novel.
Perhaps, add in a bit about groundwater pumping changing the tilt of the Earth, and so making it worse.
Make it like Nightfall, and have it start off with a character like Turchin, but then make him realize it is about biology, about hormones. With the upcoming peak being the worst one yet.
He is in his late 30s. When Russia invaded he was skiing in the Alps with his family, dropped them off in Poland and crossed into Ukraine to defend his country. He signed up, but they didn’t need him at the front due to his not having military experience. So he is in Western Ukraine, presumably he would be called up if someone attacked from Belarus but meanwhile he is working. Men are also needed to work in companies that generate income.
I have nephews from northern Ukraine who were manning blockposts outside their village when the Russians were outside Kiev (they were several dozen km or so away from where the Russians were, but in the chaotic weeks people weren’t sure where Russians would turn up). They were never placed into the regular army and so far have not been sent to any front either.
Many do (I personally met such a case in the USA, with a 16 year old son) and many don’t. I didn’t notice lots of teenage Ukrainian boys when I visited Poland, mostly women and little kids.
This is nonsense. Most men in Ukraine are not mobilized and do not get mobilized as soon as they turn 18.
It is, but it is not as extensive as you claim. It’s a big contrast to Kiev, Warsaw or Krakow which are 95%+ European (over 99% in the case of Kiev and Krakow), and probably a big contrast from what you recall in your youth. But I doubt non-Slavs are more than 20% of Moscow’s population. Setting aside Armenians and Georgians, this would make Muslims about 15% or so of people in Moscow. Moscow is completely different from Paris*, or London.
*I like to repeat my Muscovite aunt’s joke – she once took the Moscow metro very early in the morning, and complained that she saw so many Tadjiks that she thought she was in Paris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYWUXoh5us By the way, I don't think riots are really noticeable for central Paris, if you consider there are 44 million tourists in central Paris every year and there wasn't some exodus of millions of tourists from the city. If this was true, it would be the same as Paris or London. I don't think this is true in Moscow, unless you include secular people from Muslim origin. Also a lot of the population of Central Asian in Russia are temporary guest workers, while in Paris or London the Muslim population are usually permanent citizens of these wealthy welfare states.
But the demographic change in Russia, which includes also crazy internal migration, feels a lot faster than in the West. For example some of the northern suburb in Ekaterinburg in Russia become half Central Asian in last five or ten years. It's partly related to the rapid movement of guest workers. They often have many living in the same apartments. This kind of population movement is almost too fast to follow. Also the internal immigration is going on different level and creates a permanent construction boom, which indicates the geographical re-distribution of resources instead of increase of resources.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
Eastern European cities in general were often very Semitic until the Holocaust. But of course with smart Semites (Jews) rather than dull Semites (Arabs, Eritreans, Ethiopians, Somalis, et cetera).
The historical Jewish/Semitic presence in Europe roughly corresponded with Intermarium:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Jews-in-europe-percentage-ca-1900.pngReplies: @Wokechoke
Lviv gained 150,000 people (they estimate a third will stay after the war) and is building new housing and neighborhoods:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Hope-for-Ukrainian-victory-burns-strong-in-Lviv-one-year-on#:~:text=Lviv%20Mayor%20Andriy%20Sadovyi%20says,by%20150%2C000%20since%20the%20invasion.
Entire companies have relocated from places like Kharkiv to Lviv; they are not going back.
Transcarpathia has also seen an influx, which dilutes the Hungarian minority there.
Good news is that the new constuciton in Lviv should be nice:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/arts/lviv-ukraine-refugee-housing.html
To House Refugees, Lviv Wants to Make Beautiful Buildings That Last
The Ukrainian city’s distinctive architecture has made it a world heritage site. Its architects are trying to balance aesthetics with sustainability as it prepares for a long war.
“When we build a building, we have to think it’s built for not months, not years, but for dozens of years, for centuries,” said the 35-year-old Kolomeytsev, who studied and worked in Vienna, but says his work is shaped by growing up in Lviv. “We are in a very rich cultural environment.”
He said the city would build apartment blocks of five to seven stories for displaced people that would combine beauty with utility while retaining the compact nature of this city of 800,000 people.
Lviv is the furthest city Ukrainian evacuees can escape the battlefields in the country’s east and still be in their home country. Several hundred thousand Ukrainians have passed through Lviv, many crossing into Poland about 40 miles away. But city officials expect about 50,000 of those displaced to remain.Replies: @Gerard1234
LMAO, lose several million people…… gain a few thousand, huge net loss…. in khokhol propaganda this is “population boom”. In fantasist pseudo-khokhol propaganda as from yourself this is the work of a sick mind.
To any non-retard, Galicia has clearly lost , big decline in population since SMO. Significant decline since 2014 also, even with those who went to Galicia from Donbass. City population may have, at best , stabilised, because as is well known many of the villagers in desperation are forced to move to the cities since 2014. To any sane person we are seeing a big decrease in population. Economic and basic living standard options are far greater in dictating Galicians emigration habits to the dream of EU countries (which is now completely restriction free)….than the “staying there” population or those from different parts of 404 who certainly view it as safer (equally for draft-dodging just as much as from missile strikes) place to stay than rest of the country
And those who left Galicia at start of SMO, have come back in far less numbers/proportion than those in Kiev ( who mostly have come back), as the attraction of the brothels and toilets in Milan, Paris, London and Madrid is too great.
And LOL, 50000 is about the annual population increase in Kazan you retarded POS, Sochi, Krasnodar too…….certainly Moscow and SP have annual increases bigger than that.
But I suppose that’s the difference between a normal person and a sociopathic freakshow. Normal person – net 5-6 million increase in our population from refugees fleeing the ukronazi nuthouse is actual population increase – a democratically and culturally significant event. Permanently kneecaps an already decapitated fake country, because unknown to these sadistic scum running the country, these 5-6 million ( in addition to the 3 million since 2014-21) have family in 404.
Sociopathic dickhead – lose at least 1 million from Galicia, gain a few thousand..”population boom”!
Embarrassingly, with the Ukronazis embarassingly non-existant IT industry, employees in Galicia were only a pathetic 1/6th of national IT programmers. Since the SMO it can’t even get to 1/4 ( the exact percentage 24%) , as most talented have either gone south, north, or Kiev based. That’s generously including scammers and NATO-prostitute Tsipso freaks as “IT specialists”.
To do what? With no employees, money or markets WTF are they going to operate with you stupid POS? “Not going back” – ukronazi state admitting defeat indirectly?
The truly embarrassing fact is that more people are moving from Kharkov to Russia, than from Kharkov to rest of 404.
An oxymoron. A completely extinct job in last 30 years . If we subset this more to Galician architect……..that’s last seen in existence about 800 years before you retard
And on your pathetic attention-seeking BS recycling of NYT propaganda BS fakes –
In reality its just the usual khokhol fake claims about what they intend to do, that never matches to reality. If you knew anything about Ukraine, which you don’t as you have never visited Lvov or the country ……..you would know the construction industry is non-existant. I know it because I have worked in it, and am directly connected to construction that is going on in liberated territories.
In reality, excluding the fact that this failed prostitute state, can’t built, won’t build things……..they would rely entirely on western money for it, which is being directed to completely different things now. Without even thinking about corruption, if there is absolutely no idea when SMO is going to finish and how many people are actually going to be there from the migration, then its impossible to allocate funds to these construction projects you fantasist dumb prick. Completely pointless, empty talk.
And that is one of the other main points you idiot, Russia can build mass infrastructure, mass housing in areas very close to the frontline. 404 with western money can’t even START these projects not only because of lack of money in one of its poorest shitholes, not only because of impossible to determine houses/apartments that have to be built because of the situation…..but of course because no idiot, even in f**kheadistan is going to commit money to projects in cities where they know air defences are useless against Russian missiles you idiot.
Lviv had about 750,000 people, Galicia overall had about 5 million people.
They could not "lose several million." Says the guy who doesn't know basic math.
Even Transcarpathia has gained in population.
The city of Lviv has gained 150,000 people:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Hope-for-Ukrainian-victory-burns-strong-in-Lviv-one-year-on As usual, the reverse is true. Russian is increasingly the language of Ukrainian refugees in the West, because the Galicians have returned home:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/10/warsaw-mini-soviet-union-russian-poland-capital-exiles
"The majority of war refugees still in Poland are from eastern Ukraine, where Russian is the predominant language, and where the fighting is more intense, meaning many have nowhere safe to return."
This has led to some decline in sympathy for Ukrainian refugees - Poles don't like Russian-speakers as much. Soviets like you are obsessed with brothels. It's what you people do, and therefore where your mind is focused. Lviv's massive Austrian-era oblast capital was designed by a Ukrainian architect, Sylvester Havryshkevych:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_House,_Lviv
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylwestr_Hawryszkewycz NO, there were plenty of new construction all over Ukraine. Sovok laborer in NW England can't understand such things.
LeMonde:
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/04/lviv-city-of-refuge-for-ukrainian-companies-fleeing-the-war_5988919_4.html
Lviv has become a refuge for Ukrainian companies fleeing the war
"Many small businesses in the eastern part of the country, which is plagued by fighting, have chosen to relocate their business activities to the quieter western region.
Men in shorts and "Roomio" T-shirts work around large wood cutting and carving machines. The bright warehouse opens onto a parking lot in an industrial area surrounded by fields. It has been a little over two months since the Ukrainian company, specializing in the manufacture of designer furniture and originally based in Kharkiv, has relocated west, to the Lviv region."
These companies have seen that it is easier to export to the West from Lviv than from Kharkiv. We already know that you can't do math so who knows where you got your numbers from.
But Galicia is about 15% of Ukraine's population, so 24% of IT professionals would be over-representation.
The effects of war on Ukraine's IT industry:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-lviv-outsourcing-war-evolution-tech/32389587.html
Senior test engineer Dmytro Zazvonniy had worked at Sigma's Kharkiv office for seven years before coming to Lviv. Originally from Kramatorsk, a heavy industry hub in the Donbas, he'd gone to Kharkiv for university. His family followed him from their hometown when war broke out in the Donbas in 2014, so the outset of the full-scale invasion was, for him, laden with déjà vu.
The day of the invasion, he recalls waking up at 5 a.m. to light flooding into his apartment from windows that face the Russian border. "We realized everything quite quickly -- that it's just the same as it was in Kramatorsk," he said of the conversation in February 2022, when he and his brother decided to move everyone to Lviv.
Russia's full-scale invasion drew the world's eyes to many aspects of Ukrainian society. The massive and ultra-migratory IT industry that Ukraine had built up since the late '90s emerged as an unlikely hero, continuing to bring money into the country as bombings and blackouts roiled the country.
A lifeline to Western companies and their relatively massive budgets, IT outsourcing is a core financial artery linking Ukraine with the rest of the world. In 2022, those services accounted for $7.3 billion in exports -- recently surpassing metals and now behind only agriculture in terms of dollar amounts.
Overall exports dipped by 35 percent over the first year following the February 2022 invasion, while IT services rose. IT workers have proved much tougher for Russia to blockade than grain ships at port -- though the National Bank of Ukraine's latest data show a dip in the value of IT exports to just under $500 million per month following winter strikes on electrical infrastructure.
The industry and the tech talent that it produces have become a pillar of Ukraine's blueprints for economic recovery in a postwar world.
A Hitchhiker's Guide
These ambitions revolve around long-standing hubs, including Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa. However, no city has taken in more of the digital migrants than Lviv. Ukraine's seventh-largest city before the invasion, it has assumed the second spot, behind the much larger Kyiv, in most metrics of the tech industry.
A city where locals remind visitors that they were under the Hapsburgs and never the Romanovs, Lviv has been a haven from Russian influence and something of a wellspring of Ukrainian-language culture since the days of the tsars. The financial and cultural impact of the IT industry -- and its money -- are visible throughout the heart of Lviv, which resembles Vienna more than Moscow.
Tech giant offices and newfangled coworking facilities dot the city of 700,000, penetrating the rings of Soviet-built apartment blocks that still provide cheaper housing on the outskirts of the city.
By virtue of concentration, conditions approximating peace, and the traditional dominance of the Ukrainian language, Lviv is set up as an ideal test bed for the country's postwar ambitions.
Post-Soviet Poster Child
"Me and my friends were the first in this generation that started to work just as the Soviet Union collapsed and PC computers just started to be popular in Ukraine," Yaroslav Lyubinets said.
Lyubinets and his fellow postgrads at Lviv Polytechnic Institute started SoftServe in the mid-1990s, working with 10 people in a makeshift office crammed into a two-room apartment, guided by a General Electric executive who'd come to Lviv to teach the fundamentals of Western business.
Today, Lyubinets is chairman of the board and SoftServe is the biggest IT outsourcer in Lviv, employing some 11,000 people throughout Ukraine and internationally.
Founded by SoftServe and fellow outsourcers ELEKS and N-IX between 2009 and 2011, Lviv IT Cluster is a major nexus in the web of local firms, universities and politicians. ELEKS founder Oleksiy Skrypnyk, for example, would eventually leave the firm to become a member of Ukraine's parliament in 2014.
Lviv Polytechnic University and neighboring Ukrainian Catholic University are core educational links, providing a pipeline of students like those Lyubinets recruited in SoftServe's early years.
New tech firms join the universities congregated around Striyskiy Park in the south of the city.
"Lviv IT Cluster is the strongest [of its kind] in Ukraine by far. The most active one -- I mean, one that really does things," said Ivan Petrenko, who runs a local venture fund.
The problem, Petrenko says, is the cluster's enduring focus on outsourcing. It provides steady income but will not produce the next Grammarly or GitLab. The two Ukrainian-origin firms have become hometown heroes after "unicorning" -- getting investment valuing them at over $1 billion -- following moves to San Francisco.
"We always considered that we want to raise money outside, because for sure you can get more money if you're not a Ukrainian company. Especially if you are an American company," said Ross Khanas, a Lvivan who runs a team of seven writing software for managing coworking spaces. His firm, andcards, is one of the startlingly few in Lviv coding their own product, he says.
It's a widely acknowledged problem that remains the standard in Lviv, but it's one that many are trying to change.
"We are trying to evolve some and develop new projects and therefore, I think that we will be a hub and Silicon Valley for startups because until that period, we were just doing the work for somebody else." said Oleh Chuchman, who runs an outsourcing-staffing company called Ukrany.
New Money
More Lvivans are looking to channel investments into startups.
Petrenko, for example, runs Angel One Venture Fund, which launched in October with money from the Ukrainian Catholic University Fund aiming at early-stage startups, especially those connected to the university. The fund just made its first investment, to a $1 million seed round for Zeely, a mobile webpage-designer app.
A graduate of Lviv Polytechnic and a longtime ELEKS employee, Ivan Dmytrasevych is similarly trying to convert the IT world's money into proper local capital. While he runs UNameIT, an outsourcing company, he also built a coworking and startup accelerator facility in Lviv's north and manages Lviv Tech Angels, a fund that targets brand-new firms for which small investments make a big difference, but that are also relatively likely to go broke without paying any returns.
Lviv Tech Angels, however, has made no new investments since 2021, and is largely on hold. "Unfortunately, most [members] don't have plans to invest till the end of the year," Dmytrasevich wrote in a message.
SoftServe, Lyubinets said, was on the threshold of launching its own venture fund at the beginning of 2022. Similarly, the government's Ukrainian Startup Fund, which was a go-to source of seed investment for small firms, cut off almost all of its investments outside of military technology once Russia launched the invasion.
A physical manifestation of this freeze is Lviv Tech.City, a massive planned coworking campus in the same milieu as many of the universities and offices, looking out on Striyskiy Park. Only one building has opened, while the rest of construction remains frozen in time.
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According to the National Bank's most recent data, Lviv took in $2 billion in foreign direct investment in the last quarter of 2022, putting it third among Ukraine's cities, behind Kyiv and fossil-fuel-heavy Poltava.
The city is praying the situation is the countdown to a liftoff, despite the war and the global bear market in tech stocks. Fueling that prospective surge is more than a touch of defiance.
"Ukraine is booming, and will boom with you or without you, because we don't have another choice," Kozlova said.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
None of these guys heading off to the front look 18:
*I like to repeat my Muscovite aunt's joke - she once took the Moscow metro very early in the morning, and complained that she saw so many Tadjiks that she thought she was in Paris.Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @Thulean Friend
They don’t have many Tadjiks and Uzbeks in Paris, it’s unrelated people you couldn’t confuse don’t really look or behave similar.
It’s like somekind of stereotype of confused or provincial snobby soviet grandmother, although the old soviet people are usually a bit more knowledgeable.
People in center of Paris or London are perhaps 80% tourists. People who are living there are upper class billionaires from Europe or Russia, maybe some Saudis. While the hospitality workers, servants etc, are mostly from Africa, Middle East and Eastern Europe.
In center of Moscow, it’s weird looking/fashion hipsters, local political class (this is why they are creating a Disneyland), escorts, the tourists from other parts of Moscow, the tourists from all Russia, also workers from Central Asia.
The arrival of external tourists collapsed in Russia in the last year, while Paris is not so lucky. In the summer in those cities, it’s more difficult to see a French person than a tourist.
By the way, I don’t think riots are really noticeable for central Paris, if you consider there are 44 million tourists in central Paris every year and there wasn’t some exodus of millions of tourists from the city.
If this was true, it would be the same as Paris or London. I don’t think this is true in Moscow, unless you include secular people from Muslim origin.
Also a lot of the population of Central Asian in Russia are temporary guest workers, while in Paris or London the Muslim population are usually permanent citizens of these wealthy welfare states.
But the demographic change in Russia, which includes also crazy internal migration, feels a lot faster than in the West.
For example some of the northern suburb in Ekaterinburg in Russia become half Central Asian in last five or ten years. It’s partly related to the rapid movement of guest workers. They often have many living in the same apartments. This kind of population movement is almost too fast to follow.
Also the internal immigration is going on different level and creates a permanent construction boom, which indicates the geographical re-distribution of resources instead of increase of resources.
The 15% figure for Paris was for sources from 10-15 years ago. It must be higher now.
Of course, Paris and London have Africans in addition to Muslims, while Moscow only has Muslims (from Central Asia and the Caucuses) so Moscow is significantly more European than those two Western metropolises. It seems to have been very quick in the West, also.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYWUXoh5us By the way, I don't think riots are really noticeable for central Paris, if you consider there are 44 million tourists in central Paris every year and there wasn't some exodus of millions of tourists from the city. If this was true, it would be the same as Paris or London. I don't think this is true in Moscow, unless you include secular people from Muslim origin. Also a lot of the population of Central Asian in Russia are temporary guest workers, while in Paris or London the Muslim population are usually permanent citizens of these wealthy welfare states.
But the demographic change in Russia, which includes also crazy internal migration, feels a lot faster than in the West. For example some of the northern suburb in Ekaterinburg in Russia become half Central Asian in last five or ten years. It's partly related to the rapid movement of guest workers. They often have many living in the same apartments. This kind of population movement is almost too fast to follow. Also the internal immigration is going on different level and creates a permanent construction boom, which indicates the geographical re-distribution of resources instead of increase of resources.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
That’s why I showed Kazan.
Around 1.5 million folks. Not obviously a white city. It’s capital of Tartarstan.
But look…it’s white enough. I’ve been to post soviet cities in Central Asia. This is very white by comparison.
1. There is no more open border policy in history than what Russia has now. War is the only true test of the principles of it.
2. There is no such thing as “lgbtq” freakshow rights. Its just a repackaging and fusion of feminism, shifting from industrial to services based economy, Catholic elites in western countries seeing themselves as massively inferior to their WASP equivalents and viewing complete rejection of Catholic doctrine as their best method to compete (Biden, Macron, the Kennedy familyetc) …..and other insidious , business-related reasons.
Just like most people agree that methods need to be done to not pollute our environment , and most people agree faggots should not be killed on the street or banned from homeowning, renting, jobs etc……..the arguments are effectively over on it. What is seen now with Global warming campaign and LGBT rights freakshow is criminal exploitation of these issues for other purposes.
• What is the most complex animal?
• Should it be eaten?
PEACE 😇Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @PetrOldSack, @QCIC
I was not referring to Kabbalistic cannibalism and things of that sort.
I was thinking of the timeless conundrum of the “nice carnivore”.
How to Serve Man
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1676162684297814018?s=20Replies: @QCIC
Very sad to the see the walking dead 🙁
Here’s a Tartar language film about the Pugachev Revolt centered around Kazan 1770s.
It’s early Communist agitprop but shows the brown Muslims getting colonised by Russian whites.they do not look very brown in the 1920s either.
Kakhovka Dam Update
Can someone post a picture showing the damaged concrete portion of the dam now that the lake is empty?
Thank you
To any non-retard, Galicia has clearly lost , big decline in population since SMO. Significant decline since 2014 also, even with those who went to Galicia from Donbass. City population may have, at best , stabilised, because as is well known many of the villagers in desperation are forced to move to the cities since 2014. To any sane person we are seeing a big decrease in population. Economic and basic living standard options are far greater in dictating Galicians emigration habits to the dream of EU countries (which is now completely restriction free)....than the "staying there" population or those from different parts of 404 who certainly view it as safer (equally for draft-dodging just as much as from missile strikes) place to stay than rest of the country
And those who left Galicia at start of SMO, have come back in far less numbers/proportion than those in Kiev ( who mostly have come back), as the attraction of the brothels and toilets in Milan, Paris, London and Madrid is too great.
And LOL, 50000 is about the annual population increase in Kazan you retarded POS, Sochi, Krasnodar too.......certainly Moscow and SP have annual increases bigger than that.
But I suppose that's the difference between a normal person and a sociopathic freakshow. Normal person - net 5-6 million increase in our population from refugees fleeing the ukronazi nuthouse is actual population increase - a democratically and culturally significant event. Permanently kneecaps an already decapitated fake country, because unknown to these sadistic scum running the country, these 5-6 million ( in addition to the 3 million since 2014-21) have family in 404.
Sociopathic dickhead - lose at least 1 million from Galicia, gain a few thousand.."population boom"!
Embarrassingly, with the Ukronazis embarassingly non-existant IT industry, employees in Galicia were only a pathetic 1/6th of national IT programmers. Since the SMO it can't even get to 1/4 ( the exact percentage 24%) , as most talented have either gone south, north, or Kiev based. That's generously including scammers and NATO-prostitute Tsipso freaks as "IT specialists". To do what? With no employees, money or markets WTF are they going to operate with you stupid POS? "Not going back" - ukronazi state admitting defeat indirectly?
The truly embarrassing fact is that more people are moving from Kharkov to Russia, than from Kharkov to rest of 404. An oxymoron. A completely extinct job in last 30 years . If we subset this more to Galician architect........that's last seen in existence about 800 years before you retard
And on your pathetic attention-seeking BS recycling of NYT propaganda BS fakes - In reality its just the usual khokhol fake claims about what they intend to do, that never matches to reality. If you knew anything about Ukraine, which you don't as you have never visited Lvov or the country ........you would know the construction industry is non-existant. I know it because I have worked in it, and am directly connected to construction that is going on in liberated territories.
In reality, excluding the fact that this failed prostitute state, can't built, won't build things........they would rely entirely on western money for it, which is being directed to completely different things now. Without even thinking about corruption, if there is absolutely no idea when SMO is going to finish and how many people are actually going to be there from the migration, then its impossible to allocate funds to these construction projects you fantasist dumb prick. Completely pointless, empty talk.
And that is one of the other main points you idiot, Russia can build mass infrastructure, mass housing in areas very close to the frontline. 404 with western money can't even START these projects not only because of lack of money in one of its poorest shitholes, not only because of impossible to determine houses/apartments that have to be built because of the situation.....but of course because no idiot, even in f**kheadistan is going to commit money to projects in cities where they know air defences are useless against Russian missiles you idiot.Replies: @AP
Sovok “engineer” can’t fo basic math.
Lviv had about 750,000 people, Galicia overall had about 5 million people.
They could not “lose several million.”
Says the guy who doesn’t know basic math.
Even Transcarpathia has gained in population.
The city of Lviv has gained 150,000 people:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Hope-for-Ukrainian-victory-burns-strong-in-Lviv-one-year-on
As usual, the reverse is true. Russian is increasingly the language of Ukrainian refugees in the West, because the Galicians have returned home:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/10/warsaw-mini-soviet-union-russian-poland-capital-exiles
“The majority of war refugees still in Poland are from eastern Ukraine, where Russian is the predominant language, and where the fighting is more intense, meaning many have nowhere safe to return.”
This has led to some decline in sympathy for Ukrainian refugees – Poles don’t like Russian-speakers as much.
Soviets like you are obsessed with brothels. It’s what you people do, and therefore where your mind is focused.
Lviv’s massive Austrian-era oblast capital was designed by a Ukrainian architect, Sylvester Havryshkevych:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_House,_Lviv
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylwestr_Hawryszkewycz
NO, there were plenty of new construction all over Ukraine.
Sovok laborer in NW England can’t understand such things.
LeMonde:
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/04/lviv-city-of-refuge-for-ukrainian-companies-fleeing-the-war_5988919_4.html
Lviv has become a refuge for Ukrainian companies fleeing the war
“Many small businesses in the eastern part of the country, which is plagued by fighting, have chosen to relocate their business activities to the quieter western region.
Men in shorts and “Roomio” T-shirts work around large wood cutting and carving machines. The bright warehouse opens onto a parking lot in an industrial area surrounded by fields. It has been a little over two months since the Ukrainian company, specializing in the manufacture of designer furniture and originally based in Kharkiv, has relocated west, to the Lviv region.”
These companies have seen that it is easier to export to the West from Lviv than from Kharkiv.
We already know that you can’t do math so who knows where you got your numbers from.
But Galicia is about 15% of Ukraine’s population, so 24% of IT professionals would be over-representation.
The effects of war on Ukraine’s IT industry:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-lviv-outsourcing-war-evolution-tech/32389587.html
Senior test engineer Dmytro Zazvonniy had worked at Sigma’s Kharkiv office for seven years before coming to Lviv. Originally from Kramatorsk, a heavy industry hub in the Donbas, he’d gone to Kharkiv for university. His family followed him from their hometown when war broke out in the Donbas in 2014, so the outset of the full-scale invasion was, for him, laden with déjà vu.
The day of the invasion, he recalls waking up at 5 a.m. to light flooding into his apartment from windows that face the Russian border. “We realized everything quite quickly — that it’s just the same as it was in Kramatorsk,” he said of the conversation in February 2022, when he and his brother decided to move everyone to Lviv.
Russia’s full-scale invasion drew the world’s eyes to many aspects of Ukrainian society. The massive and ultra-migratory IT industry that Ukraine had built up since the late ’90s emerged as an unlikely hero, continuing to bring money into the country as bombings and blackouts roiled the country.
A lifeline to Western companies and their relatively massive budgets, IT outsourcing is a core financial artery linking Ukraine with the rest of the world. In 2022, those services accounted for $7.3 billion in exports — recently surpassing metals and now behind only agriculture in terms of dollar amounts.
Overall exports dipped by 35 percent over the first year following the February 2022 invasion, while IT services rose. IT workers have proved much tougher for Russia to blockade than grain ships at port — though the National Bank of Ukraine’s latest data show a dip in the value of IT exports to just under $500 million per month following winter strikes on electrical infrastructure.
The industry and the tech talent that it produces have become a pillar of Ukraine’s blueprints for economic recovery in a postwar world.
A Hitchhiker’s Guide
These ambitions revolve around long-standing hubs, including Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa. However, no city has taken in more of the digital migrants than Lviv. Ukraine’s seventh-largest city before the invasion, it has assumed the second spot, behind the much larger Kyiv, in most metrics of the tech industry.
A city where locals remind visitors that they were under the Hapsburgs and never the Romanovs, Lviv has been a haven from Russian influence and something of a wellspring of Ukrainian-language culture since the days of the tsars. The financial and cultural impact of the IT industry — and its money — are visible throughout the heart of Lviv, which resembles Vienna more than Moscow.
Tech giant offices and newfangled coworking facilities dot the city of 700,000, penetrating the rings of Soviet-built apartment blocks that still provide cheaper housing on the outskirts of the city.
By virtue of concentration, conditions approximating peace, and the traditional dominance of the Ukrainian language, Lviv is set up as an ideal test bed for the country’s postwar ambitions.
Post-Soviet Poster Child
“Me and my friends were the first in this generation that started to work just as the Soviet Union collapsed and PC computers just started to be popular in Ukraine,” Yaroslav Lyubinets said.
Lyubinets and his fellow postgrads at Lviv Polytechnic Institute started SoftServe in the mid-1990s, working with 10 people in a makeshift office crammed into a two-room apartment, guided by a General Electric executive who’d come to Lviv to teach the fundamentals of Western business.
Today, Lyubinets is chairman of the board and SoftServe is the biggest IT outsourcer in Lviv, employing some 11,000 people throughout Ukraine and internationally.
Founded by SoftServe and fellow outsourcers ELEKS and N-IX between 2009 and 2011, Lviv IT Cluster is a major nexus in the web of local firms, universities and politicians. ELEKS founder Oleksiy Skrypnyk, for example, would eventually leave the firm to become a member of Ukraine’s parliament in 2014.
Lviv Polytechnic University and neighboring Ukrainian Catholic University are core educational links, providing a pipeline of students like those Lyubinets recruited in SoftServe’s early years.
New tech firms join the universities congregated around Striyskiy Park in the south of the city.
“Lviv IT Cluster is the strongest [of its kind] in Ukraine by far. The most active one — I mean, one that really does things,” said Ivan Petrenko, who runs a local venture fund.
The problem, Petrenko says, is the cluster’s enduring focus on outsourcing. It provides steady income but will not produce the next Grammarly or GitLab. The two Ukrainian-origin firms have become hometown heroes after “unicorning” — getting investment valuing them at over $1 billion — following moves to San Francisco.
“We always considered that we want to raise money outside, because for sure you can get more money if you’re not a Ukrainian company. Especially if you are an American company,” said Ross Khanas, a Lvivan who runs a team of seven writing software for managing coworking spaces. His firm, andcards, is one of the startlingly few in Lviv coding their own product, he says.
It’s a widely acknowledged problem that remains the standard in Lviv, but it’s one that many are trying to change.
“We are trying to evolve some and develop new projects and therefore, I think that we will be a hub and Silicon Valley for startups because until that period, we were just doing the work for somebody else.” said Oleh Chuchman, who runs an outsourcing-staffing company called Ukrany.
New Money
More Lvivans are looking to channel investments into startups.
Petrenko, for example, runs Angel One Venture Fund, which launched in October with money from the Ukrainian Catholic University Fund aiming at early-stage startups, especially those connected to the university. The fund just made its first investment, to a $1 million seed round for Zeely, a mobile webpage-designer app.
A graduate of Lviv Polytechnic and a longtime ELEKS employee, Ivan Dmytrasevych is similarly trying to convert the IT world’s money into proper local capital. While he runs UNameIT, an outsourcing company, he also built a coworking and startup accelerator facility in Lviv’s north and manages Lviv Tech Angels, a fund that targets brand-new firms for which small investments make a big difference, but that are also relatively likely to go broke without paying any returns.
Lviv Tech Angels, however, has made no new investments since 2021, and is largely on hold. “Unfortunately, most [members] don’t have plans to invest till the end of the year,” Dmytrasevich wrote in a message.
SoftServe, Lyubinets said, was on the threshold of launching its own venture fund at the beginning of 2022. Similarly, the government’s Ukrainian Startup Fund, which was a go-to source of seed investment for small firms, cut off almost all of its investments outside of military technology once Russia launched the invasion.
A physical manifestation of this freeze is Lviv Tech.City, a massive planned coworking campus in the same milieu as many of the universities and offices, looking out on Striyskiy Park. Only one building has opened, while the rest of construction remains frozen in time.
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According to the National Bank’s most recent data, Lviv took in $2 billion in foreign direct investment in the last quarter of 2022, putting it third among Ukraine’s cities, behind Kyiv and fossil-fuel-heavy Poltava.
The city is praying the situation is the countdown to a liftoff, despite the war and the global bear market in tech stocks. Fueling that prospective surge is more than a touch of defiance.
“Ukraine is booming, and will boom with you or without you, because we don’t have another choice,” Kozlova said.
Not just Moscow, Central Asians in all economically booming cities in Russia, especially for the construction industry.
There is permanent boom of the construction industry, because the Soviet project to settle the country is finished and now Russia is converting to a model of several mega-cities, there is internal migration of the young people to the mega-cities.
But mostly guest workers are not living in the center of the mega-city. Mostly the guest workers living in specific suburbs, often many in the same apartments.
Just sometimes in the religious festival too many are going to mosque in the center of cities and this is once a year creating the impression of “Islamicization conquest”.
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For example, probably not many guest workers live in Petrogradsky Island. It is an expensive historical center of Saint-Petersburg. It’s guest workers flooding there from their overfull apartment in the suburbs for the religious services after Ramadan.
The Russians I know complain that Moscow isn’t a Russian city anymore.
Japan has a low birthrate, but Tokyo is still Japanese. Strelkov is an evil Nazi war criminal but he is correct when he says that the Putin regime is engaging in a Russian version of the Great Replacement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvD25Pnw6ABut more upper class level in Russia, less and less they are in Russia, or need to be in Russia. More higher upper class is the layer of people are actually exiting the country. People in this layer of the Russian will replace, are not some "pure Russians" of Bashibuzuk's old suburb in Moscow, but French of Monaco, Italians of Forte dei Marmi, Spanish of Marbella, English of Knightsbridge, Greeks of Cyprus and if nowadays like Arabs of Dubai. This mestizo upper class which is more going to be replaced, not replacing.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
I haven’t been in Kazan, but according to the urbanists etc, it’s supposed to be one of the most well developing cities in Russia with good planning.
Tatars are looking different, in different cities in Russia. This is typical in Russia. For example, the religious Jews in Saint-Petersburg look different than in Moscow.
In Tatarstan, the Tatars look to me similar to Greeks or Turks, it’s more Mediterranean appearance. In some villages, they are almost East Asian, Chuvashs. In other cities, a lot of the people with slavic appearance, with Tatar origin names.
In the last decades, most Tatars are intermarrying with Russians, so the Tatars will mostly dissolve and become mestizo population.
This is a large part of the Russian population are already mestizo, so for example, people who criticize gypsies can easily lose friends. I think a lot of people in Russia have a gypsy ancestor. I remember the multiple classmates talk about gypsy ancestors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYWUXoh5us By the way, I don't think riots are really noticeable for central Paris, if you consider there are 44 million tourists in central Paris every year and there wasn't some exodus of millions of tourists from the city. If this was true, it would be the same as Paris or London. I don't think this is true in Moscow, unless you include secular people from Muslim origin. Also a lot of the population of Central Asian in Russia are temporary guest workers, while in Paris or London the Muslim population are usually permanent citizens of these wealthy welfare states.
But the demographic change in Russia, which includes also crazy internal migration, feels a lot faster than in the West. For example some of the northern suburb in Ekaterinburg in Russia become half Central Asian in last five or ten years. It's partly related to the rapid movement of guest workers. They often have many living in the same apartments. This kind of population movement is almost too fast to follow. Also the internal immigration is going on different level and creates a permanent construction boom, which indicates the geographical re-distribution of resources instead of increase of resources.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
For her they are all the same.
She was born in Moscow. Her father was a famous Soviet cultural figure whom you or your parents would have heard of (will not be more specific, in order to avoid dozing), her mother was a native of Moscow whose ancestors moved to Moscow from Galicia (they were Russophiles) not long before the Revolution. We are related through her mother. She is a distant relative, but met by coincidence because she is a close friend of one of my wife’s friends who works in the arts. So we have copies of the same 19th century family portrait photos from Lwow. We also happen to have lived in the same neighbourhood in central Moscow. The world is tight, as the Russian expression goes.
When I visited Vienna, it seemed to have a similar ratio to Moscow.
The 15% figure for Paris was for sources from 10-15 years ago. It must be higher now.
Of course, Paris and London have Africans in addition to Muslims, while Moscow only has Muslims (from Central Asia and the Caucuses) so Moscow is significantly more European than those two Western metropolises.
It seems to have been very quick in the West, also.
Japan has a low birthrate, but Tokyo is still Japanese. Strelkov is an evil Nazi war criminal but he is correct when he says that the Putin regime is engaging in a Russian version of the Great ReplacementReplies: @Dmitry
Moscow is a majority Russian city overall. It’s also always flooded with millions of Russian young immigrants from all over the country, where their home regions are economically dying.
So, in the present trend, it will continue to be a Russian city, as it is a demographic and economic vampire of the dying regions of Russia, which are often demographically very Russian.
Although Moscow is also flooded with guest workers from nonrussian regions of the postsoviet space.
In terms of the first video, which shows in the Disneyland center which they polish more every year, it is showing the local Moscow hipster young people. In the center of Moscow, this is a middle class population with high rate of mestizo origins.
Property owning middle class people in the center of Moscow, are a local upper middle class population of city in the center, which is derived from the educated Soviet people that often own property there. They have higher rate of mestizo origins, but they are local in the city for a few generations and are often related to educated Soviet classes.
Lower upper classe from Moscow and local celebrities (there is video including son of the owner of lifenews) would have a very high rates of mestizo roots, highest rate of mix with Ashkenazi, Mountain Jewish roots and Caucasian Muslim people.
It’s this kind of business nationalities of the country.
But more upper class level in Russia, less and less they are in Russia, or need to be in Russia. More higher upper class is the layer of people are actually exiting the country.
People in this layer of the Russian will replace, are not some “pure Russians” of Bashibuzuk’s old suburb in Moscow, but French of Monaco, Italians of Forte dei Marmi, Spanish of Marbella, English of Knightsbridge, Greeks of Cyprus and if nowadays like Arabs of Dubai.
This mestizo upper class which is more going to be replaced, not replacing.
Muslim WAR CRIMES in their occupation of Judea & Samaria: (1)
Palestinian Jews have to defend themselves against Jihadist WAR CRIMINALS. What do Muslims gain from desecrating their own religious sites? Nothing. Everyone understands that the Islamic terrorists are solely responsible for the provocation and the inevitable, justified response.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/07/amnesty-and-hrw-wont-say-word-about.html
arguing that the other side is fighting dirty is always and exercise in futility. Look how much energy the Ukrainian and Russian partisans have expanded accusing each other of war crimes. But the truth is, it doesn't really matter how you fight. All that matters is if you are right.
The Palestinians are wrong and they would be just as wrong even if they complied with the Geneva conventions to the letter. Anything else is a distraction.Replies: @Beckow
Is vibration bad for the long-term health of truckers? Or does it only cause short-term aches and pains?
The Attention Deficit Disorder physicians are professional sadists.Replies: @songbird
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/07/amnesty-and-hrw-wont-say-word-about.htmlReplies: @Greasy William
The Irgun hid weapons in synagogues during their campaign against the British
arguing that the other side is fighting dirty is always and exercise in futility. Look how much energy the Ukrainian and Russian partisans have expanded accusing each other of war crimes. But the truth is, it doesn’t really matter how you fight. All that matters is if you are right.
The Palestinians are wrong and they would be just as wrong even if they complied with the Geneva conventions to the letter. Anything else is a distraction.
Strelkov admitted that a very high ranking official at GRU (the intelligence directorate) ordered Wagner to remove Mozgovoi back in 2015.
In other news, Colonel Kvachkov was detained, obviously they deem him dangerous enough in his intentions to restore fairness in the RusFed military.
The 15% figure for Paris was for sources from 10-15 years ago. It must be higher now.
Of course, Paris and London have Africans in addition to Muslims, while Moscow only has Muslims (from Central Asia and the Caucuses) so Moscow is significantly more European than those two Western metropolises. It seems to have been very quick in the West, also.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Vienna’s Muslims are primarily Turks and ex-Yugoslavs, right? So, easier to assimilate, no?
*I like to repeat my Muscovite aunt's joke - she once took the Moscow metro very early in the morning, and complained that she saw so many Tadjiks that she thought she was in Paris.Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @Thulean Friend
How do people in those cities feel about the loss of their historical Jewish presence as a result of the Holocaust and mass emigration (the latter especially for Kiev, which was still 13% Jewish as late as 1959)?
Eastern European cities in general were often very Semitic until the Holocaust. But of course with smart Semites (Jews) rather than dull Semites (Arabs, Eritreans, Ethiopians, Somalis, et cetera).
The historical Jewish/Semitic presence in Europe roughly corresponded with Intermarium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvD25Pnw6ABut more upper class level in Russia, less and less they are in Russia, or need to be in Russia. More higher upper class is the layer of people are actually exiting the country. People in this layer of the Russian will replace, are not some "pure Russians" of Bashibuzuk's old suburb in Moscow, but French of Monaco, Italians of Forte dei Marmi, Spanish of Marbella, English of Knightsbridge, Greeks of Cyprus and if nowadays like Arabs of Dubai. This mestizo upper class which is more going to be replaced, not replacing.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
You mean similar to Anatoly Karlin himself, who is a quarter-Lak and lives in Moscow?
*I like to repeat my Muscovite aunt's joke - she once took the Moscow metro very early in the morning, and complained that she saw so many Tadjiks that she thought she was in Paris.Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @Thulean Friend
That doesn’t mean much, except that they are poor (Kiev) or were poor in the recent past (Warsaw/Krakow). It isn’t some indication of much greater ethnocentrism. All rich countries have immigrants, that in of itself is nothing to be worried about. It’d be stupid to close one’s borders to the world. Even the most insular cultures on the planet (East Asia) are opening up.
The key distinction is what kinds of immigrants you take in. The best combination would be to take in lower-skilled but culturally compatible ones for drudgery while simultaneously vacuuming up the best talents from all over the world. The US immigration system does just that with it’s low-high mix of Latinx/Asians. The worst would probably be France which has had a much worse immigration mix of culturally resentful Maghrebis and Africans. I’m not aware of any significant elite migration to France. Many elite Arabs are preferring the Anglosphere these days and Canada – more precisely Montreal – is always an option if you want to use French.
As I noted in a previous thread some time ago, Eastern Europe’s richest parts will soon be on par with Japan. That inevitably means immigration will start to increase. The question before us is if they will do better than their Western European counterparts in selecting immigrants?
I suspect not, given that even well-designed systems like the US is largely a function of chance (2 big oceans filtering the third world riffraff and Latinx America conveniently placed below), rather than brilliant policymakers. No reason to think Eastern European elites will be much better than their American counterparts.
I suspect we may see a slowdown in immigrants settling in Moscow, given relative wage stagnation.
Wages in Armenia are now just €152 lower than in Russia. It will make less sense for Caucasoids to move to Russia as the wage premium slowly narrows. Central Asia is still so poor that it makes sense for them to work in Moscow. There’s also lower barriers in terms of established communities. Yet what will pull the other side of the ledger is increased competition. Already, we’re seeing greater outflows to V4 Europe. Possibly China once Xi is gone.
If Russia in the not-too-distant future can no longer count on Central Asia to provide it gastarbeiters to the same extent due to greater competition from others, then who would fill that niche? Russia has severe demographic problems while simultaneously being quite poor. Not a great mix if you’re trying to entice foreigners to work, which Putin clearly – and justifiably – is trying to.
I agree with you about France.
Canada has an interesting experiment. Centered on skilled immigration, but with huge numbers allowed in relative to the native population. A flood of, not poor uneducated people like the ones going to Western Europe, but educated Indians and Chinese (they are adding a lot of Ukrainian refugees to the mix). Canada may become a country with a mostly Asian ownership and upper middle class, and a European farmer and worker class (and park rangers managing these for recreating Asians and tourists), with almost no poverty (increasingly demographically marginalised Aboriginals, some Euro junkies):
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maximum-canada-is-happeningReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
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*Even Lebanon's kafala system, can attract workers from countries like India or Ethiopia, but these are not workers who have alternative of living in Sweden or France and they remove their passports. This would only surely be true in terms of the "PPP adjustment", not in terms of the money in the bank. I think most immigrants are usually too smart to believe those adjustments. They compare the incomes in terms of the conversion to their own currency. Central Asia has more of the wide base on the population pyramid, while Armenia has demographics like Russia. Although some of the countries like Uzbekistan try to reduce their workers emigrating, I think they will continue to immigrate. Russia has generally the most oil, gas, metals, natural resources in the world. Even while the economy is not very successful, country will always have a lot of money, in comparison with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan. The longer term problem in Russia is probably more with specialists or skilled industries, where workers could emigrate. For working class, a lot of the population in Russia doesn't have many options in terms of emigration, only for internal immigration. As a result, the cities have large captive supply of the low income workers. Adding the Central Asian immigration is an additional boost for profits, especially of the construction industry.
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There is story in Russian media, the Americans are very excited about a video posted by Kimdotcom of the "graduates" dancing, because there are so many slender girls, not like America etc. The video had 8 million views, is actually from Simanovsky's private army in Ekaterinburg, a shop chain which sells Chinese products from the warehouse. The businessman Simanovsky has a cultic private army of thousands of the city's young workers for the warehouse, for a few dollars per hour. The job also includes boosting his patriotism to the local and federal politicians by doing North Korea cult dances. It's not like he has some problem supply of low income or captive workers in the city, who will go to those dances for a low income.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKkzFuNSlH0Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Coconuts, @Thulean Friend
The Indian diaspora shifting to Russia would be better anyway.
RusFed supporting Kirpan would put pressure on EU as well.Russian scientific literature is more relevant for India atm. (Soviet era, literally).
India is headed toward a one party state after de-limitation so it can build industry.BJP-dominated states are likely to double their share of seats in the new distribution.
https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1673954251545149440https://cdn.telanganatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/delimitatio.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100267815883264070/1126681520216752219/FE36JbWUcAMZK8U.png
Any meditator or yogi will tell you the best pose is always the next pose. Unless you are sound asleep your organism does not want to remain still. You can prove this to yourself in twenty minutes.
The Attention Deficit Disorder physicians are professional sadists.
Though I think my most unpleasant time seated was on a very long road trip, as a kid, in a cramped space with a lot of vibrations.
Flights are unpleasant, but I think it is more the atmosphere.
True, but over time it gets more complicated. E.g. US is risking becoming just a slightly richer version of Latin America, not the worst fate, but a step down.
In Central-Eastern Europe the big part of the chance are the languages: it is simply much harder to acculturate to Magyar or Polish language than to English, French, Spanish, or even German. That has been substantially more important than what you perceive as “poverty” – it is not only about the take-home nominal pay, it is about the overall quality of life. No sane person would argue that in that respect Prague is any worse than Brussels, Malmo or Hanover. But the language is a huge barrier and will remain so.
I think they will do fine, resources always attract people.
The reality that the free-market aficionados don’t get is that the never-ending search for cheap labor is the most toxic thing any civilization can do. (You seem one of those aficionados.) There is conceptually very little difference between cheap-labor societies and slavery – they are more similar than the economic liberals admit. So maybe not having an access to limitless supply of desperate cheap labor is good for a country. Certainly during the periods when labor was not in surplus, the Western countries did much better.
arguing that the other side is fighting dirty is always and exercise in futility. Look how much energy the Ukrainian and Russian partisans have expanded accusing each other of war crimes. But the truth is, it doesn't really matter how you fight. All that matters is if you are right.
The Palestinians are wrong and they would be just as wrong even if they complied with the Geneva conventions to the letter. Anything else is a distraction.Replies: @Beckow
I agree. For some reason the pro-Ukie side has lost track of that reality. Maybe they are so afraid that they will lose they are already preparing excuses.
No, they are not, they have lived there for a long time and displacing them is wrong. It has also no chance to succeed in the long run due to demographics. But you have your cause, so you do what you can to postpone the inevitable.
Anyone arguing that the Jews are within their rights to displace the Palestinians, but the Russians need to empty their homes in Crimea and Donbas because…because why exactly?…that is the current position in the West and it makes absolutely no sense. (Nuland-Blinken, Macron, Sholz, and the British a..holes fully endorse it.) When something makes no sense you can’t have a coherent narrative so you must start suppressing speech – something we see now in the West.
Incoherent narratives usually clash and people die.
2. The Creator of the world did not give the Russian people Crimea as part of their eternal inheritance. Nations come and go and their borders move around. The Jews are the only eternal nation.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow, @S
Why do Muslims keep their fellow coreligionists in the Jenin "Refugee Camp"?
All of the camp guards are Islamists.
The emergency ended decades ago.
PEACE 😇
It’s both, plus fewer social services, plus lack of an established community to help newcomers. Even when incomes improve, the latter factors will not change in the foreseeable future. I would not expect much change.
US system would be fine if the number were smaller, making assimilation easier and quicker.
I agree with you about France.
Canada has an interesting experiment. Centered on skilled immigration, but with huge numbers allowed in relative to the native population. A flood of, not poor uneducated people like the ones going to Western Europe, but educated Indians and Chinese (they are adding a lot of Ukrainian refugees to the mix). Canada may become a country with a mostly Asian ownership and upper middle class, and a European farmer and worker class (and park rangers managing these for recreating Asians and tourists), with almost no poverty (increasingly demographically marginalised Aboriginals, some Euro junkies):
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maximum-canada-is-happening
https://www.cato.org/blog/canada-admits-3-times-more-non-college-immigrants-america-capita
Also, you might be interested in this:
https://www.cato.org/blog/more-family-based-immigrants-australia-canada-united-states
I believe that even in the 1920s, the US would have been better off had it kept total immigration flows high but adopted a more merit-based immigration system, even if only for whites/Europeans due to the widespread racism of the times (some low-skilled workers could have also come if necessary, just not too many of them). This would have brought many more Jews to the US during the 1920s, which would have saved their lives from the subsequent Holocaust and would have subsequently allowed them to strengthen the US with their scientific research and whatnot (while also, unfortunately, sometimes helping spread leftism in the US, a sad but necessary sacrifice in exchange for greater scientific output and creativity).
I would prefer higher overall immigration flows and more difficult and slower assimilation just so long as the immigrants in question are still culturally compatible to a sizable extent (so, Latin Americans, high average IQ Asian groups, Third World elites, Muslim and African liberals/progressives, feminists, LGBTQ+ people, etc.). I prefer to share the American Dream with more people rather than with less people. (As it was, my own family had to wait for almost ten years before we could actually immigrate to the US. And my own parents were highly educated!) Denying people the American Dream if they are successfully capable of assimilation simply because they aren't assimilating fast enough strikes me as rather cruel, no? When the immigrants in question are mostly culturally non-compatible, then they become much more of a problem, or at least their bad apples do, which can spoil things for everyone.
Can one really deny that Intermarium would have been better off had it kept its Jews (so, no Holocaust and no mass Jewish survivor emigration in this scenario)? Even if it would have also kept its Jewish quotas as a part of this (leading to its Jewish talent being scattered more widely among its universities, colleges, jobs, et cetera) so that its gentiles would feel more invested in their countries? Intermarium would have certainly had much more scientific accomplishment and elite science production in such a scenario. Its Jewish population could have given the US a run for its money! The point of this exercise is to show that a society can benefit from having a huge number of high-IQ people, even if they are ethnically and/or religiously different from the rest of one's population, and just so long as they do not form a hostile overclass. Too bad that I don't think that there are any groups worldwide who are actually willing to sign up to play the historical role of Jews in Intermarium right now. Smart people from poor countries strongly prefer to move to the Anglosphere instead, I would suspect. Is Canada's fate really so bad? It gets to massively increase its total population size and thus its relative power and influence and here in the US, a huge part of our cognitive elites are already made up of Asians, Jews, or people who are at least partially descended from Asians and/or Jews (even prominent and very intelligent US race realist was a quarter-Jewish, for instance).
As a side note, the US's immigrant percentage was already almost 15% by 1880, and yet immigrants, other than the Irish, do not appear to have generated huge amounts of nativist resentment in the US until after 1880, when more immigrants of different backgrounds started showing up (Italians: mafia problem; Jews: leftist activism; et cetera):
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/datahub/thumbnail-US-ImmNumberShare.png
https://i1.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/usa-immigration-flows.png
(These issues became perceived as being less relevant over the decades, but initially a lot of people cared about them. The mafia, for instance, was a much bigger problem in the past than it is right now.)
This shows that historically the US only began having a serious problem with large numbers of immigrants when these immigrants began being perceived as being different from the native population. When they largely weren't, the US was more willing to tolerate them (with the Irish being a partial exception to this rule: They helped spark a nativist reaction in the 1850s in the form of the Know-Nothing Movement).
For that matter, Israel has also been very successful in absorbing huge numbers of immigrants. A couple million immigrants, mostly Jewish ones but some of Jewish descent and also their spouses, moved to Israel since 1948:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/maps/imgraph.gif
(The numbers increased a bit since 2014 and a lot since 2022, IIRC.)
As for Noah Smith's article:
I completely agree with this part:
"So like Canada, we should be importing huge numbers of skilled immigrants — especially because our software and finance and biotech industry clusters, and our world-beating research universities, make it easier for us to attract skilled immigrants in the first place. We should be playing to our strengths."
The more skilled, highly-educated, and smart immigrants we import, the more culturally-compatible working-class immigrants (Latin Americans, etc.) we can also import since the larger number of skilled immigrants would cancel them out. And the US's only historical regret, in addition to historically shutting its doors to Asians like Chinese and Japanese for multiple decades, is that the US didn't import even more Ashkenazi Jews prior to the Holocaust and their survivors' mass emigration to Israel (the US shut its doors to Soviet Jews halfway in 1989, hence my own family's long wait to come over here, with us spending almost a decade in Israel instead; at least we also had family in Israel, though).
(Ironically, if Hispanics will become a 50-50 voting bloc or close to it, then Democrats might be more active in pushing through increases in skilled immigration without making these increases contingent on amnesty for illegal immigrants. But we shall see.)
Immigration as reparations for colonialism is just retarded. As Steve Sailer says "Invade the world, invite the world!" At the very least, you'd want culturally compatible formerly colonized subjects. Hindus and Sikhs can assimilate in Britain pretty well. Pakistanis less so.
As a side note, to clarify: I strongly support pro-natalism among the high-IQ. This should obviously be combined with a smart immigration policy. The US very much benefitted from its pro-natalist culture in the post-WWII decades, for instance.
And one last thing: Ilya Somin is very much correct that immigration restrictions are anti-egalitarian in the sense that they require aspiring immigrants to pass a merit test that natives are not expected to pass. This suggests that, if one genuinely believes in egalitarianism, one should not support an immigration policy that is more restrictive than necessary. You want to prevent the country from being turned into a dump? Fine. But if assimilation is too slow, then maybe the solution is more time instead of greater immigration restrictions. Assuming that the group(s) in question are actually capable of large-scale assimilation, that is. Sometimes they likely aren't, in which case closing the borders would be beneficial but might not do all that much to accelerate assimilation. (Israel, for instance, has imported almost no new Arabs since its independence, and its existing Arabs still sometimes or even often have cultural incompatibility issues: https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-years-before-her-murder-lesbian-teen-approached-police-over-brothers-threats/ ; also: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-04/ty-article/.premium/five-arrested-in-connection-to-murder-of-sarit-ahmed-lgbtq-teen-killed-in-northern-israel/00000189-2174-d145-a1e9-33763ac90000 ; and: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-58183954 ; One would think that Israeli Arabs would be a bigger integration and assimilation success story due to their numbers not being augmented by newcomers over the last several decades, no? For that matter, Indian Muslims (almost no newcomers to augment their numbers since the 1950s, I suspect) are better than Pakistani Muslims but far from ideal either: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/asia/newspaper-in-india-pays-a-price-for-reprinting-a-charlie-hebdo-cartoon.html )Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts
The US is currently at 15%. Israel is at 23%. Canada is at 21%. Australia and Switzerland are both at 30%. Singapore is at a whopping 37%. Luxembourg is at almost 50%. New Zealand is at 27%. Cyprus is at 16%. Even Germany is slightly above the US, at almost 16%. Spain is at 15%. The UK is at 14%, as is France. The Netherlands, Denmark, and Croatia are likewise all at above 10%. Even Italy is at 10%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population
I suspect that Intermarium's immigrant percentage right now would be comparable to that of Italy or Spain since those countries had similar historical development patterns to Intermarium. Maybe you could say that Spain isn't fully comparable because it has a giant Spanish-speaking diaspora, but Italy doesn't to the same extent. We can also look at Greece, which is currently almost 12% immigrant, which I doubt includes very many Greeks expelled in the 1910s and 1920s due to them being 100+ years old by now.
Jews have been in Palestine thousands of years longer than the Jihadist occupiers.
Muhammad the Colonial Prophet was clearly the invader 1,400 years ago. The contamination that he brought is finally being washed away. A long overdue repatriation of stolen property.
Palestinian Jews are out breeding the Muslim occupiers in Judea & Samaria. Demographics are on the side of the indigenous faith of Judaism.
It would be an odd argument. Fortunately it is not a serious contention. Russians and Palestinian Jews have common cause. The fetid propaganda of Pallywood is repeated by equally amoral Ukiewood scum.
Any other interpretation would be incoherent.
PEACE 😇
EHC aren't so much defined by sharing a certain set of ideological viewpoints (ultimately even cognitive elites often hold the regressive views embedded in the societies of which they are a part) but by pushing society through repeatedly winning arguments towards superior ethical outcomes.
One example would be the Aztec intellectuals, of whom there are records, who criticized the practice of human sacrifice.
Closed borders and especially the killings of complex animals are likely to be regarded in a similar vein in future centuries or even decades.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Anon4343, @Mikel
Your position on killing animals is not even ethical though.
You eat beef and have nothing against killing horses.
You now virtue signal a lot but are not even a vegetarian/vegan but a meat eater.
The story goes something like this:
"In China you eat pig, in Russia pig eat you!"
You eat beef and have nothing against killing horses.
You now virtue signal a lot but are not even a vegetarian/vegan but a meat eater.
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1626417569048428548Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ
The most interesting wrinkle is that a pig will eat you.
The story goes something like this:
“In China you eat pig, in Russia pig eat you!”
Eastern European cities in general were often very Semitic until the Holocaust. But of course with smart Semites (Jews) rather than dull Semites (Arabs, Eritreans, Ethiopians, Somalis, et cetera).
The historical Jewish/Semitic presence in Europe roughly corresponded with Intermarium:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Jews-in-europe-percentage-ca-1900.pngReplies: @Wokechoke
The Pale is the Intermarium. Pilsudski wasn’t proposing an innocent project but a Jewish Empire.
sure they are
True
False
What’s inevitable is Moshiach coming, rebuilding the Temple and bringing world peace and prosperity. The whole point of Judaism is to speed that process up. That’s literally the entire reason that we conquered the Land of Israel and drove out the Palestinians. You are the one trying to delay the inevitable.
1. Nobody is arguing that except for the Ukrainian government. Ethnically cleansing the Russians from Crimea is not advocated for by the West, even if we all know that they secretly support doing just that
2. The Creator of the world did not give the Russian people Crimea as part of their eternal inheritance. Nations come and go and their borders move around. The Jews are the only eternal nation.
Serious question.
Jared Kushner is young, seemingly gregarious, is modern Jewish Orthodox, a family friend of Netanyahu, a past registered Democrat, Independent, and now, a Republican, and was instrumental in regards to putting together the Abraham Accords and the US-Mexico-Canada agreement.
Kushner, therefore, seems to be someone who could potentially be all things to all people.
Do you see him as someone the Jewish people could possibly follow as the Moshiach? [Naturally, only answer if you feel like doing so.]
ttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Mexico–Canada_AgreementReplies: @Greasy William
It wasn’t going to be led/ruled over by Jews, so it wouldn’t have been a Jewish Empire. Jews might have been subjected to Jewish quotas there in places like universities in order to give gentile whites a greater stake in the success of the system there. Poland actually did have Jewish quotas at its universities in the late 1930s in real life, if I recall correctly. Hungary also had them in the interwar era, I think, though Hungary was not necessarily a part of Intermarium.
2. The Creator of the world did not give the Russian people Crimea as part of their eternal inheritance. Nations come and go and their borders move around. The Jews are the only eternal nation.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow, @S
Can the Temple be rebuilt somewhere else? Because I don’t think that even God is sufficiently Islamophobic to severely piss off two billion Muslims by destroying the Dome of the Rock and replacing it with a new Jewish Temple.
And even the Jews have split into several groups, not all of which fully recognize each other due to the lack of recognition of each other’s conversions to Judaism.
You eat beef and have nothing against killing horses.
You now virtue signal a lot but are not even a vegetarian/vegan but a meat eater.
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1626417569048428548Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ
He thinks that eating duller animals is true than eating smart animals, which is true from a 1:1 perspective, but Americans kill about 60 chickens for every pig that they kill, so in terms of net suffering caused, even though chickens are considerably duller than pigs, it all more-or-less roughly evens out.
Unless the fish are cuttlefish in which case it is a more difficult calculation.
By this theory eating a million cows is less consequential than eating a person.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Breeders can breed if they want in the robotized society too, nobody should start bother them because of it, but imho it's unproductive to nag at those who don't want to, their children more likely would likely just be miserable, if parents are not prepared or psychologically fit to do the parenting.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-job-losses-artificial-intelligence-challenger-report/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/10/27/us-lost-over-60-million-jobs-now-robots-tech-and-artificial-intelligence-will-take-millions-more/
Not everyone would happy to be a yoga teacher or an only fans’ “influencer”.
Besides, there is Jihad in Butlerian Jihad.
No
Different ethnicities, but we’re all the same nation
In other news, Colonel Kvachkov was detained, obviously they deem him dangerous enough in his intentions to restore fairness in the RusFed military.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L-prWks_pMReplies: @Ivashka the fool
A well known fact.
Of course it wasn’t going to be ruled by Jews…sure.
2. The Creator of the world did not give the Russian people Crimea as part of their eternal inheritance. Nations come and go and their borders move around. The Jews are the only eternal nation.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow, @S
https://www.eurasiareview.com/05072023-cancel-the-2024-paris-summer-olympics-idea-oped/
2. The Creator of the world did not give the Russian people Crimea as part of their eternal inheritance. Nations come and go and their borders move around. The Jews are the only eternal nation.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow, @S
I will assume that you are joking. If not, get some help.
That’s the plan. It makes no difference what the West says publicly. I didn’t use the term ‘advocate’, I said that the inevitable part of the Western plan is for the Russians to empty their homes in Crimea and Donbas …it seems you would like the same for Palestinians. Those are crimes.
I never understand why people continue to think Britain is a force to be reckoned with in international affairs rather than the US’s junkie girlfriend hooked on free American defence. Germany and France along with Russia opposed the invasion of Iraq, but the idea of Britain going against America has been a non starter since Suez. and in recent decades Britains low growth led to military spending progressively been sacrificed enable increases in social spending without raising taxes.
People talk about Nuland as if she has independent opinions she made policy through suasion, but it should always be remembered she is the the wife of neocon maestro Robert Kagan and thus only the visible part of a huge network of influence that no one in the media or State department dares identify as connected, let alone oppose as an actual thing.
What I said is just Judaism. Even anti Israel, pro Iran Neturei Karta would agree with everything I wrote above. If I’m mentally ill, so is every other believing Jew on the planet. You need to recognize Judaism as the one true faith and then become a Noahide and then you will feel better.
don’t get pedantic with me. You clearly implied it
Yeah that’s true. The West is evil. I doubt even AP disputes that. The only Western defenders you are gonna find here are Johnson and sudden death.
I was talking about different Jewish movements: Ultra-Orthodox, Open Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist.
Russians would have the choice of staying in Crimea and Donbass but under Ukrainian rule, on Ukraine’s own terms, no?
Was Ukraine ruled by Jews in the 1950s, back when its Jewish percentage was still above 2%, comparable to the present-day US?
Yeah, you all need to get some help ASAP. Being born Jewish is a very heavy karma, linked to a terrible selfishness. The idea of privatizing Godhood is one of the worst that human mind was every capable of producing. It is a sick idea. The best among your people are those who are capable of letting it go and becoming free of this historical ego-trip. I wish you to find the Light, the Truth and the Freedom. I sincerely wish you well.
Isn’t there one guy here who already does that? I’m bad with names. I know he doesn’t like Trump, though. I actually usually get his name confused with yours
Most people have a threshold for the acceptable edible sentience/intelligence level, so they might view eating a million fish as less consequential than eating one whale.
Unless the fish are cuttlefish in which case it is a more difficult calculation.
By this theory eating a million cows is less consequential than eating a person.
Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist aren’t real Jews, yeah
What about Open Orthodox? And Karaites?
There are a few things I don’t understand about Judaism, and I hope you might enlighten me about it: does G-d in your religion have power upon the World ? Is He omniscient and omnipotent ? Or is His Power limited somehow ?
1. yes
2. yes
3. no. There are no limits whatsoever on His power and technically speaking nothing outside of G-d even exists
And given (3l I suppose He is the Creator of all there is out of and unto Himself ?
lolololololol
What about Open Orthodox? And Karaites?
Unless the fish are cuttlefish in which case it is a more difficult calculation.
By this theory eating a million cows is less consequential than eating a person.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
That might be true. Which, in turn, I guess raises the question of whether pigs actually have a conscious desire to live like humans have or even a conscious (as opposed to instinctive) fear of death like humans have.
2. yes
3. no. There are no limits whatsoever on His power and technically speaking nothing outside of G-d even existsReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool
Re #3: Is God so powerful that he create a rock that even he himself cannot lift in any of his forms and incarnations?
Jews are most influential in the Anglo world, much more so than in Pilsudski’s Poland.
So, it's entirely possible that Jewish influence in Poland and the rest of Intermarium would have eventually significantly increased in a no-Holocaust scenario, especially if these territories would have permanently kept a large percentage of their Jewish population as opposed to losing almost all of their Jews to emigration. In such a scenario, we could eventually see Jewish activists in Poland and/or other Intermarium countries pushing for mass immigration into those countries. And if those countries avoid decades of being under the Soviet freezer, then they might indeed be more receptive to such overtures. Greece is much more pro-immigration right now than Poland is, after all.
Ironically, anyone who advocates in favor of mass immigration to Intermarium is only advocating turning those countries into what they would have become without Communism. Though in Ukraine's case, this might mean advocating mass Central Asian immigration into Ukraine since any Ukraine that would have remained in any kind of union with Russia, even in an EU-like union, in the absence of Communist rule would have no doubt received huge waves of Central Asian migrants sooner or later due to the better quality of life in Ukraine relative to Central Asia. Possibly huge waves of Caucasian migrants as well. Especially to the more prosperous parts of Ukraine, such as Kiev and Lviv (if it would have still become Russian sooner or later in the absence of Communist rule in Russia).
If you think that immigrants would not have been coming to Intermarium even without Communism due to Intermarium peoples speaking strange languages, well, virtually no one in the Third World spoke Swedish, and yet a lot of Third Worlders still moved to Sweden over the last several decades. Why would Intermarium have been any different from Sweden? If anything, Intermarium could have had a stronger pro-immigration lobby compared to Sweden due to Intermarium having many more Jews (no Holocaust) than Sweden has. Even Greece was not immune to the post-WWII mass immigration wave to the West, as I mentioned above, and it's the only European country in its neighborhood to have avoided the Soviet freezer.
EHC aren't so much defined by sharing a certain set of ideological viewpoints (ultimately even cognitive elites often hold the regressive views embedded in the societies of which they are a part) but by pushing society through repeatedly winning arguments towards superior ethical outcomes.
One example would be the Aztec intellectuals, of whom there are records, who criticized the practice of human sacrifice.
Closed borders and especially the killings of complex animals are likely to be regarded in a similar vein in future centuries or even decades.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Anon4343, @Mikel
I have no idea what this means but I can think of quite a few “winning arguments” imposed on the masses from the top down that have clearly resulted in disastrous societal outcomes, such as gay marriage or mass immigration of functionally illiterate thirldworlders to advanced countries.
Regarding the first, I always opposed it because it was unnecessary to change an institution that predates the state to accommodate the rights of a vocal minority. Those rights could have perfectly been taken care of through changes to civil law wrt de facto couples, that I wouldn’t have opposed, without modifying the institution of matrimony. Ironically, most countries in the 1st World had already done that. But what I didn’t fully understand at the time is that the victory of the gay marriage battle would inevitably lead to the epidemic of child and teen gender paranoia, clearly driven by committed adults, that we’re now living in countries like the US. Things have reached levels of insanity that I doubt even you would have predicted when you were still living in the US, not so long ago.
I didn’t know that you were interested in ethical outcomes, anyway. A short while ago, you were totally in favor of a war of conquest that was sure to cause massive damage to civilians with thousands of dead and millions of refugees. How many in that ehc camp do you think shared that view? And how can a non-arbitrary distinction ever exist on what is and is not a complex animal? Humans have evolved to get some of their essential nutrients from animals, regardless of their complexity and technology is far away from untying that knot without nutritional and sensory drawbacks.
Judaism offers no answers for any theological paradoxes, including that one
Nothing can limit His Power, even the fact that this Power cannot be limited. His omniscience cannot be a limitation on His ignorance and vice & versa.
In plain simple English: G-d does as He pleases in all circumstances.
Would you agree with this ?
You may add this to my other question above, if you will, and answer them together to avoid multiplying the answers and questions branching out of this very important discussion.Replies: @Greasy William, @Greasy William
Which is almost wholly inorganic.
Robots?Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel
On paper, that’s one of the easiest problems to solve. Even some Latin American countries have been able to transition from tax-funded pensions to retirement savings plans that not only alleviate or eliminate the intergenerational problem but also contribute to their much needed generation of capital.
In practice, I fear that the French are too far gone to accept such a solution. If given the choice, a majority could well prefer the existence of a permanent, unassimilable underclass of foreign origin and continuing to increase it with newcomers than giving up their right to generous tax-funded pensions for life. Nordic countries are more likely to do the transition for purely economic reasons than the stubborn French for economic and civilizational reasons.
Pension plans are ponzi schemes.
Your combination of delusions and support of invaders is indeed sad.
Propaganda and shared delusions are a terrible thing.
I recommend you start working to convince your friends to capitulate while there is still something left to preserve. Or maybe you don't really care what happens to the East of the river?
I agree with you about France.
Canada has an interesting experiment. Centered on skilled immigration, but with huge numbers allowed in relative to the native population. A flood of, not poor uneducated people like the ones going to Western Europe, but educated Indians and Chinese (they are adding a lot of Ukrainian refugees to the mix). Canada may become a country with a mostly Asian ownership and upper middle class, and a European farmer and worker class (and park rangers managing these for recreating Asians and tourists), with almost no poverty (increasingly demographically marginalised Aboriginals, some Euro junkies):
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maximum-canada-is-happeningReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Just how much of an established community did Somalis have in Sweden or in Minnesota several decades ago? What about Vietnamese in the US before 1975?
Low-skilled numbers being smaller or both low-skilled and high-skilled numbers being smaller? AFAIK Canada imports many more immigrants than the US per capita, even low-skilled ones, and yet it is capable of successfully assimilating its immigrants, no?
https://www.cato.org/blog/canada-admits-3-times-more-non-college-immigrants-america-capita
Also, you might be interested in this:
https://www.cato.org/blog/more-family-based-immigrants-australia-canada-united-states
I believe that even in the 1920s, the US would have been better off had it kept total immigration flows high but adopted a more merit-based immigration system, even if only for whites/Europeans due to the widespread racism of the times (some low-skilled workers could have also come if necessary, just not too many of them). This would have brought many more Jews to the US during the 1920s, which would have saved their lives from the subsequent Holocaust and would have subsequently allowed them to strengthen the US with their scientific research and whatnot (while also, unfortunately, sometimes helping spread leftism in the US, a sad but necessary sacrifice in exchange for greater scientific output and creativity).
I would prefer higher overall immigration flows and more difficult and slower assimilation just so long as the immigrants in question are still culturally compatible to a sizable extent (so, Latin Americans, high average IQ Asian groups, Third World elites, Muslim and African liberals/progressives, feminists, LGBTQ+ people, etc.). I prefer to share the American Dream with more people rather than with less people. (As it was, my own family had to wait for almost ten years before we could actually immigrate to the US. And my own parents were highly educated!) Denying people the American Dream if they are successfully capable of assimilation simply because they aren’t assimilating fast enough strikes me as rather cruel, no? When the immigrants in question are mostly culturally non-compatible, then they become much more of a problem, or at least their bad apples do, which can spoil things for everyone.
Can one really deny that Intermarium would have been better off had it kept its Jews (so, no Holocaust and no mass Jewish survivor emigration in this scenario)? Even if it would have also kept its Jewish quotas as a part of this (leading to its Jewish talent being scattered more widely among its universities, colleges, jobs, et cetera) so that its gentiles would feel more invested in their countries? Intermarium would have certainly had much more scientific accomplishment and elite science production in such a scenario. Its Jewish population could have given the US a run for its money! The point of this exercise is to show that a society can benefit from having a huge number of high-IQ people, even if they are ethnically and/or religiously different from the rest of one’s population, and just so long as they do not form a hostile overclass. Too bad that I don’t think that there are any groups worldwide who are actually willing to sign up to play the historical role of Jews in Intermarium right now. Smart people from poor countries strongly prefer to move to the Anglosphere instead, I would suspect.
Is Canada’s fate really so bad? It gets to massively increase its total population size and thus its relative power and influence and here in the US, a huge part of our cognitive elites are already made up of Asians, Jews, or people who are at least partially descended from Asians and/or Jews (even prominent and very intelligent US race realist was a quarter-Jewish, for instance).
As a side note, the US’s immigrant percentage was already almost 15% by 1880, and yet immigrants, other than the Irish, do not appear to have generated huge amounts of nativist resentment in the US until after 1880, when more immigrants of different backgrounds started showing up (Italians: mafia problem; Jews: leftist activism; et cetera):
(These issues became perceived as being less relevant over the decades, but initially a lot of people cared about them. The mafia, for instance, was a much bigger problem in the past than it is right now.)
This shows that historically the US only began having a serious problem with large numbers of immigrants when these immigrants began being perceived as being different from the native population. When they largely weren’t, the US was more willing to tolerate them (with the Irish being a partial exception to this rule: They helped spark a nativist reaction in the 1850s in the form of the Know-Nothing Movement).
For that matter, Israel has also been very successful in absorbing huge numbers of immigrants. A couple million immigrants, mostly Jewish ones but some of Jewish descent and also their spouses, moved to Israel since 1948:
(The numbers increased a bit since 2014 and a lot since 2022, IIRC.)
As for Noah Smith’s article:
I completely agree with this part:
“So like Canada, we should be importing huge numbers of skilled immigrants — especially because our software and finance and biotech industry clusters, and our world-beating research universities, make it easier for us to attract skilled immigrants in the first place. We should be playing to our strengths.”
The more skilled, highly-educated, and smart immigrants we import, the more culturally-compatible working-class immigrants (Latin Americans, etc.) we can also import since the larger number of skilled immigrants would cancel them out. And the US’s only historical regret, in addition to historically shutting its doors to Asians like Chinese and Japanese for multiple decades, is that the US didn’t import even more Ashkenazi Jews prior to the Holocaust and their survivors’ mass emigration to Israel (the US shut its doors to Soviet Jews halfway in 1989, hence my own family’s long wait to come over here, with us spending almost a decade in Israel instead; at least we also had family in Israel, though).
(Ironically, if Hispanics will become a 50-50 voting bloc or close to it, then Democrats might be more active in pushing through increases in skilled immigration without making these increases contingent on amnesty for illegal immigrants. But we shall see.)
Immigration as reparations for colonialism is just retarded. As Steve Sailer says “Invade the world, invite the world!” At the very least, you’d want culturally compatible formerly colonized subjects. Hindus and Sikhs can assimilate in Britain pretty well. Pakistanis less so.
As a side note, to clarify: I strongly support pro-natalism among the high-IQ. This should obviously be combined with a smart immigration policy. The US very much benefitted from its pro-natalist culture in the post-WWII decades, for instance.
And one last thing: Ilya Somin is very much correct that immigration restrictions are anti-egalitarian in the sense that they require aspiring immigrants to pass a merit test that natives are not expected to pass. This suggests that, if one genuinely believes in egalitarianism, one should not support an immigration policy that is more restrictive than necessary. You want to prevent the country from being turned into a dump? Fine. But if assimilation is too slow, then maybe the solution is more time instead of greater immigration restrictions. Assuming that the group(s) in question are actually capable of large-scale assimilation, that is. Sometimes they likely aren’t, in which case closing the borders would be beneficial but might not do all that much to accelerate assimilation. (Israel, for instance, has imported almost no new Arabs since its independence, and its existing Arabs still sometimes or even often have cultural incompatibility issues: https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-years-before-her-murder-lesbian-teen-approached-police-over-brothers-threats/ ; also: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-04/ty-article/.premium/five-arrested-in-connection-to-murder-of-sarit-ahmed-lgbtq-teen-killed-in-northern-israel/00000189-2174-d145-a1e9-33763ac90000 ; and: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-58183954 ; One would think that Israeli Arabs would be a bigger integration and assimilation success story due to their numbers not being augmented by newcomers over the last several decades, no? For that matter, Indian Muslims (almost no newcomers to augment their numbers since the 1950s, I suspect) are better than Pakistani Muslims but far from ideal either: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/asia/newspaper-in-india-pays-a-price-for-reprinting-a-charlie-hebdo-cartoon.html )
I was talking about lower upper class hipsters in Moscow where the nationality is reflecting the business nationalities. I guess there is not real definition, but the lower level perhaps you need around several billions of rubles.
It’s businessmen’s children so you would call this the bourgeoisie if this was a Western capitalism country, but in postsoviet feudalism, when you go to very high income, it’s more like “petite noblesse”. Relative to the ordinary population, rich people have more privilege in most developing countries than in most developed countries where there is legal equality. Although in long term, for rich people, it’s still better and more stable to live in a developed country, in the short term there is more unstable impunity in the developing country.
The group in the video are an example of local social media celebrities in Moscow in 2010s. This group Sobchak was attacking because they are having LGBT relation while one of their parents owning media complex which was promoting anti-LGBT.
Those social media celebrities mostly emigrated in 2022 to Europe, America, Israel, Dubai. There was a lot of capital flight in the last year it seems even many loyal social media stars are emigrating, which were part of the creative economy.
Although compared to middle class emigration, those would usually have more easy for them to return or temporary emigration.
He said he lives in Lyublino.
I think the only person connected in our forum with property in the historical Moscow i.e. “definitely not Russia”, is AP or maybe his wife. Maybe also Bashibuzuk is from centre Moscow originally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyublino_District
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyublino_District#/map/0
As a side note, I find it interesting that Moscow is the peak Slavic city by far. I don't think that any other Slavic city even remotely compares to it. Only St. Petersburg even comes remotely close, I think. None of the cities in Intermarium do, IIRC. I think that even in Europe, the Istanbul and London metropolitan areas might compare to Moscow, but what else? Anything? In the US, the New York and Los Angeles metropolitan areas would compare. Possibly the San Francisco Bay Area as well along with the Chicago metropolitan area. But what else? (Yes, I know that there are many more problem populations in London and in US metropolitan areas than in Moscow.)Replies: @Dmitry
Just when I read scroll post of Bashibuzuk, I’m thinking about mental dysfunction of the late Soviet epoch. Then scroll to some posts of Greasy Williams, my feelings reverse to positivity – “we make such mentally healthy people compared to America”.
The world is watching the events of the Gallic Spring unfold, "gripped by the narrative of a young generation rising up against oppressive authoritarianism to secure a more democratic political system and a brighter economic future".
The Gallic Spring is widely believed to have been instigated by dissatisfaction, particularly of youth and unions, with the rule of local governments, though some have speculated that wide gaps in income levels and pressures caused by the economic hardship may have had a hand as well. Some activists had taken part in programs sponsored by National Endowment for Democracy, but the US government claimed that they did not initiate the uprisings.
Numerous factors led to the protests, including issues such as reform, human rights violations, political corruption, economic decline, unemployment, extreme poverty, and a number of demographic structural factors, such as a large percentage of educated but dissatisfied youth within the entire population.
Catalysts for the revolts in France included the concentration of wealth in the hands of a elite few in power for decades, insufficient transparency of its redistribution, corruption, and especially the refusal of the youth to accept the status quo.
https://youtu.be/vtNJMAyeP0s
الشماتةReplies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @YetAnotherAnon, @Negronicus
More driven by neo-colonialising Trash Human Capital (THC for short), these in turn invited by long-running malicious/moronic government policies.
“the US government claimed that they did not initiate the uprisings.”
Well, that settles it. Whew, I was a bit worried there.
I agree with you about France.
Canada has an interesting experiment. Centered on skilled immigration, but with huge numbers allowed in relative to the native population. A flood of, not poor uneducated people like the ones going to Western Europe, but educated Indians and Chinese (they are adding a lot of Ukrainian refugees to the mix). Canada may become a country with a mostly Asian ownership and upper middle class, and a European farmer and worker class (and park rangers managing these for recreating Asians and tourists), with almost no poverty (increasingly demographically marginalised Aboriginals, some Euro junkies):
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maximum-canada-is-happeningReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
What is your ideal immigrant percentage, BTW? Because Anatoly Karlin before his recent “open borders” conversion has previously said that his own ideal immigrant percentage was 1-2%, with perhaps 5% in the big cities.
The US is currently at 15%. Israel is at 23%. Canada is at 21%. Australia and Switzerland are both at 30%. Singapore is at a whopping 37%. Luxembourg is at almost 50%. New Zealand is at 27%. Cyprus is at 16%. Even Germany is slightly above the US, at almost 16%. Spain is at 15%. The UK is at 14%, as is France. The Netherlands, Denmark, and Croatia are likewise all at above 10%. Even Italy is at 10%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population
I suspect that Intermarium’s immigrant percentage right now would be comparable to that of Italy or Spain since those countries had similar historical development patterns to Intermarium. Maybe you could say that Spain isn’t fully comparable because it has a giant Spanish-speaking diaspora, but Italy doesn’t to the same extent. We can also look at Greece, which is currently almost 12% immigrant, which I doubt includes very many Greeks expelled in the 1910s and 1920s due to them being 100+ years old by now.
https://www.cato.org/blog/canada-admits-3-times-more-non-college-immigrants-america-capita
Also, you might be interested in this:
https://www.cato.org/blog/more-family-based-immigrants-australia-canada-united-states
I believe that even in the 1920s, the US would have been better off had it kept total immigration flows high but adopted a more merit-based immigration system, even if only for whites/Europeans due to the widespread racism of the times (some low-skilled workers could have also come if necessary, just not too many of them). This would have brought many more Jews to the US during the 1920s, which would have saved their lives from the subsequent Holocaust and would have subsequently allowed them to strengthen the US with their scientific research and whatnot (while also, unfortunately, sometimes helping spread leftism in the US, a sad but necessary sacrifice in exchange for greater scientific output and creativity).
I would prefer higher overall immigration flows and more difficult and slower assimilation just so long as the immigrants in question are still culturally compatible to a sizable extent (so, Latin Americans, high average IQ Asian groups, Third World elites, Muslim and African liberals/progressives, feminists, LGBTQ+ people, etc.). I prefer to share the American Dream with more people rather than with less people. (As it was, my own family had to wait for almost ten years before we could actually immigrate to the US. And my own parents were highly educated!) Denying people the American Dream if they are successfully capable of assimilation simply because they aren't assimilating fast enough strikes me as rather cruel, no? When the immigrants in question are mostly culturally non-compatible, then they become much more of a problem, or at least their bad apples do, which can spoil things for everyone.
Can one really deny that Intermarium would have been better off had it kept its Jews (so, no Holocaust and no mass Jewish survivor emigration in this scenario)? Even if it would have also kept its Jewish quotas as a part of this (leading to its Jewish talent being scattered more widely among its universities, colleges, jobs, et cetera) so that its gentiles would feel more invested in their countries? Intermarium would have certainly had much more scientific accomplishment and elite science production in such a scenario. Its Jewish population could have given the US a run for its money! The point of this exercise is to show that a society can benefit from having a huge number of high-IQ people, even if they are ethnically and/or religiously different from the rest of one's population, and just so long as they do not form a hostile overclass. Too bad that I don't think that there are any groups worldwide who are actually willing to sign up to play the historical role of Jews in Intermarium right now. Smart people from poor countries strongly prefer to move to the Anglosphere instead, I would suspect. Is Canada's fate really so bad? It gets to massively increase its total population size and thus its relative power and influence and here in the US, a huge part of our cognitive elites are already made up of Asians, Jews, or people who are at least partially descended from Asians and/or Jews (even prominent and very intelligent US race realist was a quarter-Jewish, for instance).
As a side note, the US's immigrant percentage was already almost 15% by 1880, and yet immigrants, other than the Irish, do not appear to have generated huge amounts of nativist resentment in the US until after 1880, when more immigrants of different backgrounds started showing up (Italians: mafia problem; Jews: leftist activism; et cetera):
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/datahub/thumbnail-US-ImmNumberShare.png
https://i1.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/usa-immigration-flows.png
(These issues became perceived as being less relevant over the decades, but initially a lot of people cared about them. The mafia, for instance, was a much bigger problem in the past than it is right now.)
This shows that historically the US only began having a serious problem with large numbers of immigrants when these immigrants began being perceived as being different from the native population. When they largely weren't, the US was more willing to tolerate them (with the Irish being a partial exception to this rule: They helped spark a nativist reaction in the 1850s in the form of the Know-Nothing Movement).
For that matter, Israel has also been very successful in absorbing huge numbers of immigrants. A couple million immigrants, mostly Jewish ones but some of Jewish descent and also their spouses, moved to Israel since 1948:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/maps/imgraph.gif
(The numbers increased a bit since 2014 and a lot since 2022, IIRC.)
As for Noah Smith's article:
I completely agree with this part:
"So like Canada, we should be importing huge numbers of skilled immigrants — especially because our software and finance and biotech industry clusters, and our world-beating research universities, make it easier for us to attract skilled immigrants in the first place. We should be playing to our strengths."
The more skilled, highly-educated, and smart immigrants we import, the more culturally-compatible working-class immigrants (Latin Americans, etc.) we can also import since the larger number of skilled immigrants would cancel them out. And the US's only historical regret, in addition to historically shutting its doors to Asians like Chinese and Japanese for multiple decades, is that the US didn't import even more Ashkenazi Jews prior to the Holocaust and their survivors' mass emigration to Israel (the US shut its doors to Soviet Jews halfway in 1989, hence my own family's long wait to come over here, with us spending almost a decade in Israel instead; at least we also had family in Israel, though).
(Ironically, if Hispanics will become a 50-50 voting bloc or close to it, then Democrats might be more active in pushing through increases in skilled immigration without making these increases contingent on amnesty for illegal immigrants. But we shall see.)
Immigration as reparations for colonialism is just retarded. As Steve Sailer says "Invade the world, invite the world!" At the very least, you'd want culturally compatible formerly colonized subjects. Hindus and Sikhs can assimilate in Britain pretty well. Pakistanis less so.
As a side note, to clarify: I strongly support pro-natalism among the high-IQ. This should obviously be combined with a smart immigration policy. The US very much benefitted from its pro-natalist culture in the post-WWII decades, for instance.
And one last thing: Ilya Somin is very much correct that immigration restrictions are anti-egalitarian in the sense that they require aspiring immigrants to pass a merit test that natives are not expected to pass. This suggests that, if one genuinely believes in egalitarianism, one should not support an immigration policy that is more restrictive than necessary. You want to prevent the country from being turned into a dump? Fine. But if assimilation is too slow, then maybe the solution is more time instead of greater immigration restrictions. Assuming that the group(s) in question are actually capable of large-scale assimilation, that is. Sometimes they likely aren't, in which case closing the borders would be beneficial but might not do all that much to accelerate assimilation. (Israel, for instance, has imported almost no new Arabs since its independence, and its existing Arabs still sometimes or even often have cultural incompatibility issues: https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-years-before-her-murder-lesbian-teen-approached-police-over-brothers-threats/ ; also: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-04/ty-article/.premium/five-arrested-in-connection-to-murder-of-sarit-ahmed-lgbtq-teen-killed-in-northern-israel/00000189-2174-d145-a1e9-33763ac90000 ; and: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-58183954 ; One would think that Israeli Arabs would be a bigger integration and assimilation success story due to their numbers not being augmented by newcomers over the last several decades, no? For that matter, Indian Muslims (almost no newcomers to augment their numbers since the 1950s, I suspect) are better than Pakistani Muslims but far from ideal either: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/asia/newspaper-in-india-pays-a-price-for-reprinting-a-charlie-hebdo-cartoon.html )Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts
“(even prominent and very intelligent US race realist *Arthur Jensen* was a quarter-Jewish, for instance).”
(Corrected typo.)
Interestingly enough, his maternal grandmother was Jewish, which makes him Jewish according to Jewish law even though he was 75% white gentile by descent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Jensen



It’s still a part of Moscow, just not a part of core Moscow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyublino_District
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyublino_District#/map/0
As a side note, I find it interesting that Moscow is the peak Slavic city by far. I don’t think that any other Slavic city even remotely compares to it. Only St. Petersburg even comes remotely close, I think. None of the cities in Intermarium do, IIRC. I think that even in Europe, the Istanbul and London metropolitan areas might compare to Moscow, but what else? Anything? In the US, the New York and Los Angeles metropolitan areas would compare. Possibly the San Francisco Bay Area as well along with the Chicago metropolitan area. But what else? (Yes, I know that there are many more problem populations in London and in US metropolitan areas than in Moscow.)
Countries like Poland are difficult for most Poles to live in, it’s not somewhere immigrants would usually choose if they have options in an EU open borders system.*
I agree governments of countries like Poland will still import guest workers who they can trap, maybe from countries like Thailand or Philippines. They have the combination of growing industries and aging population. But they would need to trap them, to prevent these immigrants accessing the other labor markets in the EU.
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*Even Lebanon’s kafala system, can attract workers from countries like India or Ethiopia, but these are not workers who have alternative of living in Sweden or France and they remove their passports.
This would only surely be true in terms of the “PPP adjustment”, not in terms of the money in the bank. I think most immigrants are usually too smart to believe those adjustments. They compare the incomes in terms of the conversion to their own currency.
Central Asia has more of the wide base on the population pyramid, while Armenia has demographics like Russia. Although some of the countries like Uzbekistan try to reduce their workers emigrating, I think they will continue to immigrate.
Russia has generally the most oil, gas, metals, natural resources in the world. Even while the economy is not very successful, country will always have a lot of money, in comparison with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan.
The longer term problem in Russia is probably more with specialists or skilled industries, where workers could emigrate.
For working class, a lot of the population in Russia doesn’t have many options in terms of emigration, only for internal immigration. As a result, the cities have large captive supply of the low income workers. Adding the Central Asian immigration is an additional boost for profits, especially of the construction industry.
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There is story in Russian media, the Americans are very excited about a video posted by Kimdotcom of the “graduates” dancing, because there are so many slender girls, not like America etc.
The video had 8 million views, is actually from Simanovsky’s private army in Ekaterinburg, a shop chain which sells Chinese products from the warehouse.
The businessman Simanovsky has a cultic private army of thousands of the city’s young workers for the warehouse, for a few dollars per hour. The job also includes boosting his patriotism to the local and federal politicians by doing North Korea cult dances.
It’s not like he has some problem supply of low income or captive workers in the city, who will go to those dances for a low income.
Yep. Wage slavery (ie specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, the economic and political basis of the modern ‘progressive’ Multi-Cultural state) literally destroys everything it touches.
Anyone wishing to see the proof of this can visit my post archives.
Chattel slavery and it’s trade was in reality monetized* with the introduction of wage** slavery in the Anglosphere in the early 19th century, rather than having been abolished.
I stand one hundred percent behind this assertion.
* Distilled down to it’s financial essence whilst profits were maximized.
** The systematic theft of the value of a person’s labor (the slavery) is most efficiently and profitably accomplished directly from their pay (ie their ‘wages’) and hence the term wage slavery, as opposed to doing the same via the cumbersome, costly, and antiquated physical ownership of the said person as property (ie ‘chattel’) and hence the historic term chattel slavery.
Studies have shown that the wage slaves in 19th century London had higher standards of living than those living in the countryside. Furthermore, the example of chattel slavery in the United States shows that even chattel slaves were treated drastically better in places/times where there was a labor shortage. The massive labor shortage that existed in western Europe in the aftermath of the Black Death was probably the primary cause of the breakdown of serfdom in the region.
The biggest problem for the working people in the developed world is the fiat money system which transfers wealth from the workers to the Rentier class. This system is ahistorical, it technically has only existed in a pure form since 1973. When fiat finally dies, a great deal of power and wealth will be transferred to the workers.Replies: @S, @Beckow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyublino_District
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyublino_District#/map/0
As a side note, I find it interesting that Moscow is the peak Slavic city by far. I don't think that any other Slavic city even remotely compares to it. Only St. Petersburg even comes remotely close, I think. None of the cities in Intermarium do, IIRC. I think that even in Europe, the Istanbul and London metropolitan areas might compare to Moscow, but what else? Anything? In the US, the New York and Los Angeles metropolitan areas would compare. Possibly the San Francisco Bay Area as well along with the Chicago metropolitan area. But what else? (Yes, I know that there are many more problem populations in London and in US metropolitan areas than in Moscow.)Replies: @Dmitry
Yes it’s part of Moscow, but you were asking about the lower upper class people, not people in Lyublino which is a working class sleeping area of the late Soviet epoch. Although late Soviet working class zones in Moscow would now have more of the lower middle-class population in 2020s.
It would still have plenty of the multinational people, but the mix of the ethnicity is different than in the bourgeois areas.
AP or his wife has an apartment on Tverskaya street, this is a very bourgeois or upper middle-class zone in the historical Moscow, where they could see hipsters from their window.
Worth noting that Jewish influence in the Anglo world was less in the past (1920s, 1930s, and 1940s), even when their percentage of the total US population was comparable or even higher than it is right now. Jews were subjected to Jewish quotas in the Anglo world back then and also were unable to prevent the passage of immigration policies that made it much harder for their co-ethnics and co-religionists to immigrate to the Anglo world and thus to escape the future Holocaust.
So, it’s entirely possible that Jewish influence in Poland and the rest of Intermarium would have eventually significantly increased in a no-Holocaust scenario, especially if these territories would have permanently kept a large percentage of their Jewish population as opposed to losing almost all of their Jews to emigration. In such a scenario, we could eventually see Jewish activists in Poland and/or other Intermarium countries pushing for mass immigration into those countries. And if those countries avoid decades of being under the Soviet freezer, then they might indeed be more receptive to such overtures. Greece is much more pro-immigration right now than Poland is, after all.
Ironically, anyone who advocates in favor of mass immigration to Intermarium is only advocating turning those countries into what they would have become without Communism. Though in Ukraine’s case, this might mean advocating mass Central Asian immigration into Ukraine since any Ukraine that would have remained in any kind of union with Russia, even in an EU-like union, in the absence of Communist rule would have no doubt received huge waves of Central Asian migrants sooner or later due to the better quality of life in Ukraine relative to Central Asia. Possibly huge waves of Caucasian migrants as well. Especially to the more prosperous parts of Ukraine, such as Kiev and Lviv (if it would have still become Russian sooner or later in the absence of Communist rule in Russia).
If you think that immigrants would not have been coming to Intermarium even without Communism due to Intermarium peoples speaking strange languages, well, virtually no one in the Third World spoke Swedish, and yet a lot of Third Worlders still moved to Sweden over the last several decades. Why would Intermarium have been any different from Sweden? If anything, Intermarium could have had a stronger pro-immigration lobby compared to Sweden due to Intermarium having many more Jews (no Holocaust) than Sweden has. Even Greece was not immune to the post-WWII mass immigration wave to the West, as I mentioned above, and it’s the only European country in its neighborhood to have avoided the Soviet freezer.
Excluding Israel, Jews or more Jewish roots people are most influential in Russia, Ukraine, maybe Belarus (if you believe comments of Lukashenko) and Moldova. Then probably less influential, still important in USA, Brazil, Argentina etc.
In Western Europe, it’s very little influence by comparison so you almost never see anything about it, while in postsoviet countries the Jewish community are an influential community of many cities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC7988EYUV0Replies: @Mr. Hack
You need to adjust for Jewish % of the total population, in which case ex-USSR Jews would probably punch the most above their weight. In the ex-USSR right now, not even 0.5% of the total population is actually Jewish enough for Israel. And yet people of Jewish descent have had a remarkably notable influence there even post-Soviet collapse.
err… I dunno.
Studies have shown that the wage slaves in 19th century London had higher standards of living than those living in the countryside. Furthermore, the example of chattel slavery in the United States shows that even chattel slaves were treated drastically better in places/times where there was a labor shortage. The massive labor shortage that existed in western Europe in the aftermath of the Black Death was probably the primary cause of the breakdown of serfdom in the region.
The biggest problem for the working people in the developed world is the fiat money system which transfers wealth from the workers to the Rentier class. This system is ahistorical, it technically has only existed in a pure form since 1973. When fiat finally dies, a great deal of power and wealth will be transferred to the workers.
I should add, describing the situation the way I have, puts the moral onus where it rightfully always belonged.
Rather than the crazy, ridiculous, and inverted state of affairs which exist now, where the peoples of the world are demonized and made to feel guilty for even acknowledging their physical and cultural existance and the natural right to continue to do so, it would be upon the former slave dealers (now 'labor contractors', the former slave owners (now wage slave/'cheap labor'/'immigrant' exploiters, and former chattel slave financiers (now wage slave system financiers) why it is that the peoples of the world must forever give up their very souls so these historically grossly immoral/amoral slaving relative few and their hangers on should profit handsomely in the short term for refusing to do the socially responsible and moral thing, namely to simply pay the prevailing real time local rates for labor to generally their own people, a nigh impossible task if these people were being truthful to themselves and others, which they have decidedly not been.
Will probably simply have to agree to disagree.
It’s partly excluding Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, because postsoviet countries are not liberal democracies.
After 1991, the historical stage is regressed, many of the countries are almost like a feudal or early modern politics, with a king and the royal court. A lot of the business class was delegated for the people with Jewish roots.
Business has a lot of the profits of the country, like in the older times doesn’t necessarily control the final decisions. The king likes to ignore interest of the business people when they have more dopamine from the security people. But in lower ranking areas, they will follow the business people, if the trade-off is related to ordinary citizens like public health, during the pandemic, king prioritized the business people, owners of shopping malls etc.
In practice, I fear that the French are too far gone to accept such a solution. If given the choice, a majority could well prefer the existence of a permanent, unassimilable underclass of foreign origin and continuing to increase it with newcomers than giving up their right to generous tax-funded pensions for life. Nordic countries are more likely to do the transition for purely economic reasons than the stubborn French for economic and civilizational reasons.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/pension-time-bomb-400-trillion-2050/
Pension plans are ponzi schemes.
These two North American Jews are awesome:
2. yes
3. no. There are no limits whatsoever on His power and technically speaking nothing outside of G-d even existsReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool
Ok I thought this much.
And given (3l I suppose He is the Creator of all there is out of and unto Himself ?
The answer here is quite simple: G-d is beyond any human limitations and beyond any paradox.
Nothing can limit His Power, even the fact that this Power cannot be limited. His omniscience cannot be a limitation on His ignorance and vice & versa.
In plain simple English: G-d does as He pleases in all circumstances.
Would you agree with this ?
You may add this to my other question above, if you will, and answer them together to avoid multiplying the answers and questions branching out of this very important discussion.
I have felt better ever since I just gave up on trying to make sense of things.
*I actually can't conceive of any scenario where free will would be possible. Even if I were an atheist I wouldn't be able to believe in free will. But if there is no free will, then doesn't it not make sense for me to hate white liberals and have an unhealthy obsession with getting revenge on them? And yet I doReplies: @Ivashka the fool
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*Even Lebanon's kafala system, can attract workers from countries like India or Ethiopia, but these are not workers who have alternative of living in Sweden or France and they remove their passports. This would only surely be true in terms of the "PPP adjustment", not in terms of the money in the bank. I think most immigrants are usually too smart to believe those adjustments. They compare the incomes in terms of the conversion to their own currency. Central Asia has more of the wide base on the population pyramid, while Armenia has demographics like Russia. Although some of the countries like Uzbekistan try to reduce their workers emigrating, I think they will continue to immigrate. Russia has generally the most oil, gas, metals, natural resources in the world. Even while the economy is not very successful, country will always have a lot of money, in comparison with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan. The longer term problem in Russia is probably more with specialists or skilled industries, where workers could emigrate. For working class, a lot of the population in Russia doesn't have many options in terms of emigration, only for internal immigration. As a result, the cities have large captive supply of the low income workers. Adding the Central Asian immigration is an additional boost for profits, especially of the construction industry.
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There is story in Russian media, the Americans are very excited about a video posted by Kimdotcom of the "graduates" dancing, because there are so many slender girls, not like America etc. The video had 8 million views, is actually from Simanovsky's private army in Ekaterinburg, a shop chain which sells Chinese products from the warehouse. The businessman Simanovsky has a cultic private army of thousands of the city's young workers for the warehouse, for a few dollars per hour. The job also includes boosting his patriotism to the local and federal politicians by doing North Korea cult dances. It's not like he has some problem supply of low income or captive workers in the city, who will go to those dances for a low income.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKkzFuNSlH0Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Coconuts, @Thulean Friend
That explains how in the video, when the camera pans left along the line, there’s a sense that the girls on the left are suddenly putting on the enthusiasm as the camera arrives.
Nonetheless it’s still delightful to see hundreds of non-tattooed girls.
I know a couple of Polish girls over here and it’s almost as if one of their first ways of integrating in the West is to get a tat.
Ugh! (other than I’m sure that female tats are for young men a signifier, as smoking used to be many years back, of who’ll be easiest to bed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSh7zro8UwY
Nothing can limit His Power, even the fact that this Power cannot be limited. His omniscience cannot be a limitation on His ignorance and vice & versa.
In plain simple English: G-d does as He pleases in all circumstances.
Would you agree with this ?
You may add this to my other question above, if you will, and answer them together to avoid multiplying the answers and questions branching out of this very important discussion.Replies: @Greasy William, @Greasy William
It’s not that I disagree with it, it’s that I don’t really understand it. I want concrete answers that make sense. Don’t tell that everything that happens is G-d’s will but that we also have free will. Logically it has to be one or the other*. One thing that I like about Buddhism and Hinduism is that everything they believe makes sense. It might not be true, but at least you can understand it and it’s logically consistent. That is way more than you can say for Judaism, Christianity or Islam. Although I guess Islam probably isn’t as bad on that front as the other two.
I have felt better ever since I just gave up on trying to make sense of things.
*I actually can’t conceive of any scenario where free will would be possible. Even if I were an atheist I wouldn’t be able to believe in free will. But if there is no free will, then doesn’t it not make sense for me to hate white liberals and have an unhealthy obsession with getting revenge on them? And yet I do
https://www.cato.org/blog/canada-admits-3-times-more-non-college-immigrants-america-capita
Also, you might be interested in this:
https://www.cato.org/blog/more-family-based-immigrants-australia-canada-united-states
I believe that even in the 1920s, the US would have been better off had it kept total immigration flows high but adopted a more merit-based immigration system, even if only for whites/Europeans due to the widespread racism of the times (some low-skilled workers could have also come if necessary, just not too many of them). This would have brought many more Jews to the US during the 1920s, which would have saved their lives from the subsequent Holocaust and would have subsequently allowed them to strengthen the US with their scientific research and whatnot (while also, unfortunately, sometimes helping spread leftism in the US, a sad but necessary sacrifice in exchange for greater scientific output and creativity).
I would prefer higher overall immigration flows and more difficult and slower assimilation just so long as the immigrants in question are still culturally compatible to a sizable extent (so, Latin Americans, high average IQ Asian groups, Third World elites, Muslim and African liberals/progressives, feminists, LGBTQ+ people, etc.). I prefer to share the American Dream with more people rather than with less people. (As it was, my own family had to wait for almost ten years before we could actually immigrate to the US. And my own parents were highly educated!) Denying people the American Dream if they are successfully capable of assimilation simply because they aren't assimilating fast enough strikes me as rather cruel, no? When the immigrants in question are mostly culturally non-compatible, then they become much more of a problem, or at least their bad apples do, which can spoil things for everyone.
Can one really deny that Intermarium would have been better off had it kept its Jews (so, no Holocaust and no mass Jewish survivor emigration in this scenario)? Even if it would have also kept its Jewish quotas as a part of this (leading to its Jewish talent being scattered more widely among its universities, colleges, jobs, et cetera) so that its gentiles would feel more invested in their countries? Intermarium would have certainly had much more scientific accomplishment and elite science production in such a scenario. Its Jewish population could have given the US a run for its money! The point of this exercise is to show that a society can benefit from having a huge number of high-IQ people, even if they are ethnically and/or religiously different from the rest of one's population, and just so long as they do not form a hostile overclass. Too bad that I don't think that there are any groups worldwide who are actually willing to sign up to play the historical role of Jews in Intermarium right now. Smart people from poor countries strongly prefer to move to the Anglosphere instead, I would suspect. Is Canada's fate really so bad? It gets to massively increase its total population size and thus its relative power and influence and here in the US, a huge part of our cognitive elites are already made up of Asians, Jews, or people who are at least partially descended from Asians and/or Jews (even prominent and very intelligent US race realist was a quarter-Jewish, for instance).
As a side note, the US's immigrant percentage was already almost 15% by 1880, and yet immigrants, other than the Irish, do not appear to have generated huge amounts of nativist resentment in the US until after 1880, when more immigrants of different backgrounds started showing up (Italians: mafia problem; Jews: leftist activism; et cetera):
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/datahub/thumbnail-US-ImmNumberShare.png
https://i1.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/usa-immigration-flows.png
(These issues became perceived as being less relevant over the decades, but initially a lot of people cared about them. The mafia, for instance, was a much bigger problem in the past than it is right now.)
This shows that historically the US only began having a serious problem with large numbers of immigrants when these immigrants began being perceived as being different from the native population. When they largely weren't, the US was more willing to tolerate them (with the Irish being a partial exception to this rule: They helped spark a nativist reaction in the 1850s in the form of the Know-Nothing Movement).
For that matter, Israel has also been very successful in absorbing huge numbers of immigrants. A couple million immigrants, mostly Jewish ones but some of Jewish descent and also their spouses, moved to Israel since 1948:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/maps/imgraph.gif
(The numbers increased a bit since 2014 and a lot since 2022, IIRC.)
As for Noah Smith's article:
I completely agree with this part:
"So like Canada, we should be importing huge numbers of skilled immigrants — especially because our software and finance and biotech industry clusters, and our world-beating research universities, make it easier for us to attract skilled immigrants in the first place. We should be playing to our strengths."
The more skilled, highly-educated, and smart immigrants we import, the more culturally-compatible working-class immigrants (Latin Americans, etc.) we can also import since the larger number of skilled immigrants would cancel them out. And the US's only historical regret, in addition to historically shutting its doors to Asians like Chinese and Japanese for multiple decades, is that the US didn't import even more Ashkenazi Jews prior to the Holocaust and their survivors' mass emigration to Israel (the US shut its doors to Soviet Jews halfway in 1989, hence my own family's long wait to come over here, with us spending almost a decade in Israel instead; at least we also had family in Israel, though).
(Ironically, if Hispanics will become a 50-50 voting bloc or close to it, then Democrats might be more active in pushing through increases in skilled immigration without making these increases contingent on amnesty for illegal immigrants. But we shall see.)
Immigration as reparations for colonialism is just retarded. As Steve Sailer says "Invade the world, invite the world!" At the very least, you'd want culturally compatible formerly colonized subjects. Hindus and Sikhs can assimilate in Britain pretty well. Pakistanis less so.
As a side note, to clarify: I strongly support pro-natalism among the high-IQ. This should obviously be combined with a smart immigration policy. The US very much benefitted from its pro-natalist culture in the post-WWII decades, for instance.
And one last thing: Ilya Somin is very much correct that immigration restrictions are anti-egalitarian in the sense that they require aspiring immigrants to pass a merit test that natives are not expected to pass. This suggests that, if one genuinely believes in egalitarianism, one should not support an immigration policy that is more restrictive than necessary. You want to prevent the country from being turned into a dump? Fine. But if assimilation is too slow, then maybe the solution is more time instead of greater immigration restrictions. Assuming that the group(s) in question are actually capable of large-scale assimilation, that is. Sometimes they likely aren't, in which case closing the borders would be beneficial but might not do all that much to accelerate assimilation. (Israel, for instance, has imported almost no new Arabs since its independence, and its existing Arabs still sometimes or even often have cultural incompatibility issues: https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-years-before-her-murder-lesbian-teen-approached-police-over-brothers-threats/ ; also: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-04/ty-article/.premium/five-arrested-in-connection-to-murder-of-sarit-ahmed-lgbtq-teen-killed-in-northern-israel/00000189-2174-d145-a1e9-33763ac90000 ; and: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-58183954 ; One would think that Israeli Arabs would be a bigger integration and assimilation success story due to their numbers not being augmented by newcomers over the last several decades, no? For that matter, Indian Muslims (almost no newcomers to augment their numbers since the 1950s, I suspect) are better than Pakistani Muslims but far from ideal either: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/asia/newspaper-in-india-pays-a-price-for-reprinting-a-charlie-hebdo-cartoon.html )Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts
Genuine belief in egalitarianism necessarily seems to lead to belief in some form of world Communist government. I think you noted the problems with Somin’s argument in an earlier post, that he didn’t mention abolishing the familial hereditary transmission of wealth, this would be just as important a step towards egalitarianism as hereditary citizenship. Some mechanism would need to be in place to prevent people creating wealth by the exploitation or coercion of others within the market, another significant threat to egalitarianism.
Some people will argue that such a mechanism to exercise re distributive authority of this kind exists, the State as the externalisation of human reason and the instrument of the general will, when this will is operating in the correct enlightened way (i.e. directed to egalitarian ends). And because reason is universal…
The future may be more what used to be Britain assimilating around these groups. It looks like post-1950 immigrant groups will be determining the shape of the future.
https://fee.org/articles/a-cosmopolitan-case-against-world-government/
The risk of global tyranny could be low in any given year, but over the centuries and millenniums, it could significantly increase.
Also, I was only talking about hereditary transfer of wealth that is forced or coerced by the state, such as involuntary child support payments. Voluntary transfers of wealth, whether to relatives, friends, or total strangers, should absolutely be permitted. Ilya Somin's issue with borders isn't only that they're anti-egalitarian, but that this is a form of anti-egalitarianism that is enforced by the coercive powers of the state.
Nothing can limit His Power, even the fact that this Power cannot be limited. His omniscience cannot be a limitation on His ignorance and vice & versa.
In plain simple English: G-d does as He pleases in all circumstances.
Would you agree with this ?
You may add this to my other question above, if you will, and answer them together to avoid multiplying the answers and questions branching out of this very important discussion.Replies: @Greasy William, @Greasy William
Have you ever experimented with drug free induction of altered states of consciousness? Are you familiar with the Hillside Hermitage YouTube channel at all?
I have felt better ever since I just gave up on trying to make sense of things.
*I actually can't conceive of any scenario where free will would be possible. Even if I were an atheist I wouldn't be able to believe in free will. But if there is no free will, then doesn't it not make sense for me to hate white liberals and have an unhealthy obsession with getting revenge on them? And yet I doReplies: @Ivashka the fool
I think I might relate to some aspects of what you wrote. And I believe that finding suitable answers to this kind of questions is of utmost importance. Would you agree that there might be no sound ethics without the right metaphysics? And that without right ethics establishing sound metaphysics would also probably prove impossible? It’s basically a single dialectical question. Would you agree with such a proposition?
A rabbi writing in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1942 or 1943 said that the problem with Christian morality is that the Christians think that G-d stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac because killing Isaac would have been wrong; but actually it is reversed: killing Isaac would have been wrong because G-d stopped it.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool
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*Even Lebanon's kafala system, can attract workers from countries like India or Ethiopia, but these are not workers who have alternative of living in Sweden or France and they remove their passports. This would only surely be true in terms of the "PPP adjustment", not in terms of the money in the bank. I think most immigrants are usually too smart to believe those adjustments. They compare the incomes in terms of the conversion to their own currency. Central Asia has more of the wide base on the population pyramid, while Armenia has demographics like Russia. Although some of the countries like Uzbekistan try to reduce their workers emigrating, I think they will continue to immigrate. Russia has generally the most oil, gas, metals, natural resources in the world. Even while the economy is not very successful, country will always have a lot of money, in comparison with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan. The longer term problem in Russia is probably more with specialists or skilled industries, where workers could emigrate. For working class, a lot of the population in Russia doesn't have many options in terms of emigration, only for internal immigration. As a result, the cities have large captive supply of the low income workers. Adding the Central Asian immigration is an additional boost for profits, especially of the construction industry.
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There is story in Russian media, the Americans are very excited about a video posted by Kimdotcom of the "graduates" dancing, because there are so many slender girls, not like America etc. The video had 8 million views, is actually from Simanovsky's private army in Ekaterinburg, a shop chain which sells Chinese products from the warehouse. The businessman Simanovsky has a cultic private army of thousands of the city's young workers for the warehouse, for a few dollars per hour. The job also includes boosting his patriotism to the local and federal politicians by doing North Korea cult dances. It's not like he has some problem supply of low income or captive workers in the city, who will go to those dances for a low income.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKkzFuNSlH0Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Coconuts, @Thulean Friend
In some way is the the popularity of that video linked to Lizzo and the kind of cultic priestess status she has been granted by some in the US?
I am not familiar with this YouTube channel. Yes I have had interesting mental experiences, that one might describe as “mystical insights” for whatever it’s worth. I believe it is mostly a matter of serotonin receptors polymorphisms in different people. Some of these receptor subtypes probably contribute to a higher level of neuroplasticity. It allows a higher degree of potential mental states combinations. But I also believe that it is not really important. Whatever we think or feel is not that important at all, the Real is not what we think or feel it is, but is also not different from what we perceive. Anyway, before we get into all kinds of “New Age” stuff and “mysticism”, I would like to know more about your views on ethics/metaphysics.
Lol, you think young Russian girls don’t have tattoos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC7988EYUV0Replies: @Mr. Hack
The same questions should be asked regarding how many of Putler’s buddies are getting rich, that work in the Russian arms industry, because of this “proxy war”? The good general Prigozhin is no doubt just one of many who has made money because of this war. Nah, Russians are just too morally pure to take advantage of this war to line their pockets, right Mickey? The Russian military complex does not make money producing weaponry?
Are machine translations of Latin worse than other languages because nobody is speaking it now?
The Attention Deficit Disorder physicians are professional sadists.Replies: @songbird
Thought it was crazy how LotR Return of the King had no intermission.
Though I think my most unpleasant time seated was on a very long road trip, as a kid, in a cramped space with a lot of vibrations.
Flights are unpleasant, but I think it is more the atmosphere.
Regarding the first, I always opposed it because it was unnecessary to change an institution that predates the state to accommodate the rights of a vocal minority. Those rights could have perfectly been taken care of through changes to civil law wrt de facto couples, that I wouldn't have opposed, without modifying the institution of matrimony. Ironically, most countries in the 1st World had already done that. But what I didn't fully understand at the time is that the victory of the gay marriage battle would inevitably lead to the epidemic of child and teen gender paranoia, clearly driven by committed adults, that we're now living in countries like the US. Things have reached levels of insanity that I doubt even you would have predicted when you were still living in the US, not so long ago.
I didn't know that you were interested in ethical outcomes, anyway. A short while ago, you were totally in favor of a war of conquest that was sure to cause massive damage to civilians with thousands of dead and millions of refugees. How many in that ehc camp do you think shared that view? And how can a non-arbitrary distinction ever exist on what is and is not a complex animal? Humans have evolved to get some of their essential nutrients from animals, regardless of their complexity and technology is far away from untying that knot without nutritional and sensory drawbacks.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
The main class of people who deem those developments to be “disastrous” are r*ghtoid regressives – racists, homophobes, misogynists, etc. Normal people don’t mind them, while EHC welcomes them and seek to accelerate them.
No, I’m not. But EHC is.
Extremely few, and they were proven correct. Consequently, the logical conclusion is that EHC positions are almost invariably correct, being repeatedly proven so in iterative struggles. One doesn’t accumulate social capital by counter-signaling them but by front-running them. Consequently, impeccable logic, rationality, and the very morality of survival and adaptation militates towards 🌐🏳️🌈 in its purest state.
Maybe define it on your substack first.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC
https://i.redd.it/marugjbqn4ab1.jpg
Ha ha just kidding. All that shit is poisonous.Replies: @John Johnson
I'm none of those things anyway. Just an ordinary drag-queenphobe. Those are the only ones that produce me urticaria and physical discomfort. You should have just asked me. I had a very big dislike of Poroshenko's regime and Zelensky's has proven to be worse but the idea of a military invasion to enforce the triune imperialist dream and prove that Russia is still a superpower deserving of respect was terrible in all respects. Even without the ensuing failure and embarrassing show of incompetence.
https://gellerreport.com/2018/03/whistleblower-california-says-illegals-taken-every-trade-construction-business.html/Are such workers racist homophobes? What does this have to do with homosexuality? What about Hispanic Americans that don't want illegals depressing their wages? Racist bastards? Unz benefits from an open thread for general discussion but I don't see why it should involve Karlin. My guess is that he is trying to make a lateral move into mainstream politics. We have seen this before where an anti-establishment type recants. Well it won't work because the system views anything related to race and genetics as unforgivable. They have to set such a precedent because they know that race is more than painty-color and the third world is not the victim of a 200 year conspiracy of Whites. Anyone that discuses the unfortunate facts of race becomes a permanent pariah. They can find writers without that kind of history. You'd have to change your name and completely start over.
In regards to Ukraine specifically, what EHC was able to realize, even though it generally could not foresee Ukraine holding out against Russia, is that Russia would have extreme difficulty winning over Ukrainian hearts and minds simply because Russia is nowhere near as attractive for Ukrainians as the EU is (the EU's total population is much bigger, more creative and inventive, and richer as well). You argue that the US is justified in having race-based affirmative action in order to make all US racial and ethnic groups committed to the American vision and ideal. (Would the same logic apply to Jewish quotas if they were necessary to make gentiles more committed to a particular national vision?) But what exactly was actually going to commit Ukrainians to the Russian vision and ideal? Simply having a better life under Russian rule might not be enough since the Ukrainians who would have moved to the EU would have also had a better life (indeed, a *considerably* better life) under EU rule. (Indeed, German rule in Posen Province produced numerous benefits for the Poles there, such as near-universal literacy and increased wealth and prosperity relative to neighboring Polish areas, and yet the Poles there rebelled against the Germans once Germany descended into revolution in 1918-1919, indicating that they preferred to be a part of an independent Poland that does not practice cultural genocide against them than to be a part of a Germany that does (or did) do this.)
As you said, while EHC might have been wrong on the specific details of Russia (being overly pessimistic about certain demographic and economic trends in Russia), what it did get right is that Russia had ambitions that were way out of its league. The interesting thing, of course, is that in an absolute sense, Russia's demographics aren't much worse than those of the 1945 US (140-150 million people, 90% white, but with almost no Jews and with a much, much smaller creative fraction because of the lack of large Hajnal Line populations within Russia, unlike in the US). But the US in 1945 was able to have a long and strong baby boom as well as a huge subsequent decades-long wave of immigration, including of many cognitive elites. Russians, in contrast, are unwilling to breed a lot and Russia is nowhere near as attractive of a destination for global cognitive elites as the US is. And again, the lack of a large (Hajnal Line/Ashkenazi Jewish) creative fraction also hurts Russia.
Some EHC does appear to be concerned about Muslim radicalism, such as Sam Harris. He argues that there is a strong need for Muslims to reform their faith and that unfortunately in much of the world, Islam is currently "all fringe and no center". He does of course support Muslim liberals and reformists who want to improve the Muslim faith by making it better and more tolerant and by throwing out Islam's problematic doctrines.
EHC also does appear to care about high black crime rates because they (and others) generally don't want to live next to large numbers of blacks, their rhetorical signaling for black causes aside.
But EHC appears to have much less problems with Latin Americans, or with non-Muslim South Asians, or even with Muslim and African cognitive elites. The Persian cognitive elites in Southern California are great at successfully assimilating, for instance.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Certain Jewish individuals have done best in post-Soviet countries (one is president of Ukraine, a couple have been prime ministers of Russia) but collectively Jews hold most power and have most support in the Anglo world. Their values align rather well, and Jews are more popular and loved in Anglo countries than they are anywhere else. Related to this, Anglo countries are the strongest supporters of Israel. Indeed, American politicians and even candidates for political office often find it necessary to go to Israel to demonstrate their friendship.
This is not to say that there is some sort of web of control, it is genuine and sincere respect and admiration across most of the political spectrum. That is not the case in Ukraine or Russia.
EHC does not exist, I can’t find anything about it online anywhere.
Maybe define it on your substack first.
The King is Dead! Long live the King!
Their values are being challenged every day at this website (you do read some of the other blogsites here?).
According to the articulate blogger Philip Giraldi (and quite a few other bloggers here), American politicians often go out of their way to demonstrate their “friendship” to Israel in order to survive the political landscape, knowing quite well that any criticism of Israel or its policies will be blacklisted as being “anti-semitic” resulting in their imminent demise. Playing the game, and going along with the program will often result in positive support within the press, not to mention greater opportunities to obtain financial contributions.
Maybe define it on your substack first.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC
Why not just define this acronym right here, where AK has currently written this comment?
He is equating "Elite Human Capitalism" with open boarders, anti-racism and pro-LGBT+ . I am not sure how any of it fits together.
I want a blog post here at UNZ about "Elite Human Capitalism" or a stubstack post by Karlin. He needs to define it in simple terms so we can understand. How is EHC better than nationalism, anarcho capitalism, libertarianism or paleoconservatism?
EHC is not the "next big thing", nobody promotes it apart from Karlin. It sounds like bedroom autism to me right now. It's a nice idea to invent a new political philosophy but there is no point in inventing something that nobody understands.Replies: @A123, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin
Maybe define it on your substack first.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC
EHC = modern AK name for rootless cosmopolitans
The King is Dead! Long live the King!
Karlin says EHC is “Elite Human Capitalism”, he has invented this new term himself but never defined it. There is no information on the internet about it, it is not in any books or dictionaries. What actually is it, and what is its goal? Nobody has ever heard of it.
He is equating “Elite Human Capitalism” with open boarders, anti-racism and pro-LGBT+ . I am not sure how any of it fits together.
I want a blog post here at UNZ about “Elite Human Capitalism” or a stubstack post by Karlin. He needs to define it in simple terms so we can understand. How is EHC better than nationalism, anarcho capitalism, libertarianism or paleoconservatism?
EHC is not the “next big thing”, nobody promotes it apart from Karlin. It sounds like bedroom autism to me right now. It’s a nice idea to invent a new political philosophy but there is no point in inventing something that nobody understands.
It really should be named "Elite Inhuman Capital". Karlin's Leftoid purpose is the same as George IslamoSoros. Two peas in the same green crescent pod.
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I know it's not inspiring, kind of banal. Apparently not all of us are living in the fast lane like you, player, posting on here and fighting the good fight for the Ukraine when not wowing the ladiesReplies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death
btw, Orban ruled Hungary isn’t using euro, also didn’t stop buying allegedly cheap RF oil&natgas since 2022, all the flows stayed unlimited without disruptions, but is experencing the highest inflation in EU, roughly double or more than elsewhere around:

He is equating "Elite Human Capitalism" with open boarders, anti-racism and pro-LGBT+ . I am not sure how any of it fits together.
I want a blog post here at UNZ about "Elite Human Capitalism" or a stubstack post by Karlin. He needs to define it in simple terms so we can understand. How is EHC better than nationalism, anarcho capitalism, libertarianism or paleoconservatism?
EHC is not the "next big thing", nobody promotes it apart from Karlin. It sounds like bedroom autism to me right now. It's a nice idea to invent a new political philosophy but there is no point in inventing something that nobody understands.Replies: @A123, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin
It is tied together by IslamoGloboHomo. The Muslim tradition as practiced in America and Europe. He has adopted the same shrill opposition to Judeo-Christian values that is heard from Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
It really should be named “Elite Inhuman Capital”. Karlin’s Leftoid purpose is the same as George IslamoSoros. Two peas in the same green crescent pod.
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” you think young Russian girls don’t have tattoos?”
The ones in that video didn’t seem to.
I think we need a “Tat-Finder General” whose job it is to shame young women for their tats. The worst offenders should be exhibited in the stocks as a warning to others, the way young Ukrainian women caught speaking Russian are clingfilmed to lamp posts – only in the service of beauty, not evil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchfinder_General_(film)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/soldier-kink-sweeps-ukraine-messages-surge-when-were-kicking-putins-buttReplies: @YetAnotherAnon
Front running elite human capitalists are going in for a Texas BBQ pork fast food startup near you.
Ha ha just kidding. All that shit is poisonous.
The CIA is funding only fans entertainment for the Ukraine infantry.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/soldier-kink-sweeps-ukraine-messages-surge-when-were-kicking-putins-butt
https://www.thedailybeast.com/soldier-kink-sweeps-ukraine-messages-surge-when-were-kicking-putins-buttReplies: @YetAnotherAnon
From the article:
Then…
The CIA may be funding some of it, but I’m sure there’ll be a genuine increase, at least in Western Ukraine, perhaps not so much in the Russian-speaking regions where their kids are being pressganged off the streets.
In WW2 RAF aircrew certainly did pretty well (and in a much more conservative nation), as girls rationalised “he might be dead this time next week, the poor guy needs what comfort I can give him“. And 55,000 aircrew died – generally from the brighter sections of the population.
Note the personalisation – that when Ukraine do well they are “kicking Putin’s butt”. We all need some comforting falsehoods in our lives. Some people even think their government (or the opposition party) have their interests at heart.
The usual sad story. After the war the women will flock to ingratiate themselves with the winners, Russians, Bashkirs, Germans, Anglos...they will never look back. Many surviving Ukie men will have life-crippling injuries or major psycho issues, they will drink even more.
Can someone remind us why are they dying? I see, that's why the obvious lie that Russia was planning to occupy Lviv or Uzhorod, and maybe even Sicily (!), is pushed so desperately. Riiight...because making a normal deal that would have preserved peace was just too unacceptable to some.Replies: @John Johnson
On the subject of profitable corruption, the US outspends the next seven leading nations in defense spending combined. Five of the ten leading defense spenders are NATO members. In recent years, Russia has regularly ranked between four and six in defense spending. Yet Russia produces artillery shells and tanks at a much better rate than what the collective West can give to the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.
The Ukie women are panicking, trying to grab a man before he possibly dies, military pensions, maybe a kid, etc…The alternative is to leave Ukraine.
The usual sad story. After the war the women will flock to ingratiate themselves with the winners, Russians, Bashkirs, Germans, Anglos…they will never look back. Many surviving Ukie men will have life-crippling injuries or major psycho issues, they will drink even more.
Can someone remind us why are they dying? I see, that’s why the obvious lie that Russia was planning to occupy Lviv or Uzhorod, and maybe even Sicily (!), is pushed so desperately. Riiight…because making a normal deal that would have preserved peace was just too unacceptable to some.
The Russians failed to take Kiev and there were leaked plans showing how they planned on managing the new government.
But you are suggesting that the 40 mile supply and armor column headed towards Kiev was not actually part of a plan to take over the entire country?Replies: @Beckow
Zelenskyy: Russian explosives planted on nuke plant roof | w/ Alastair Crooke, Fmr British Diplomat
https://i.redd.it/marugjbqn4ab1.jpg
Ha ha just kidding. All that shit is poisonous.Replies: @John Johnson
Ha ha just kidding. All that shit is poisonous.
Liberals also make this claim and can’t explain how corporate fast food is worse for you than local competitors.
The usual sad story. After the war the women will flock to ingratiate themselves with the winners, Russians, Bashkirs, Germans, Anglos...they will never look back. Many surviving Ukie men will have life-crippling injuries or major psycho issues, they will drink even more.
Can someone remind us why are they dying? I see, that's why the obvious lie that Russia was planning to occupy Lviv or Uzhorod, and maybe even Sicily (!), is pushed so desperately. Riiight...because making a normal deal that would have preserved peace was just too unacceptable to some.Replies: @John Johnson
Can someone remind us why are they dying? I see, that’s why the obvious lie that Russia was planning to occupy Lviv or Uzhorod, and maybe even Sicily (!), is pushed so desperately.
The Russians failed to take Kiev and there were leaked plans showing how they planned on managing the new government.
But you are suggesting that the 40 mile supply and armor column headed towards Kiev was not actually part of a plan to take over the entire country?
All those tanks and F-16’s going to Ukraine will need replacement units that cost 30-50X more money. It is veritable perpetual motional machinez.
All those tanks and F-16’s going to Ukraine will need replacement units that cost 30-50X more money. It is veritable perpetual motional machinez.
Do explain how since the USAF has over 2000 F-16s.
Ukraine will run out pilots before the USAF will run out of planes in storage. Then there are a dozen countries that would sell their F16s on clearance.
How can you not be excited about F-16s lighting up Russians?
Those birds were born to chase Migs.
The dwarf dictator was expecting a quick takeover and will now have F16s up his ass.
Cry more.
Clearly, the U.S. has no agency. Not-The-President Biden is in full mental collapse: (2) Multiple videos at the linked source. The only reason the Veggie-in-Chief has not been put to pasture is fear of elevating Not-The-VP Harris.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-western-allies-have-already-failed-f-16-pledge
(2) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-biden-wanders-around-lost-slurs-through-july-4-speechReplies: @Mikhail
JJ, since you are nostalgic, what about this blast from the past?
https://t.me/llordofwar/167950
linked by yetanotheranonReplies: @John Johnson
If you’re going to start writing like a leftist normie, try to include some more up to date vocabulary to those tirades. I’m barely able to feel identified with a list of insults that doesn’t include the terms white supremacist, Putin-troll, transphobe (homophobe is so passée),…
I’m none of those things anyway. Just an ordinary drag-queenphobe. Those are the only ones that produce me urticaria and physical discomfort.
You should have just asked me. I had a very big dislike of Poroshenko’s regime and Zelensky’s has proven to be worse but the idea of a military invasion to enforce the triune imperialist dream and prove that Russia is still a superpower deserving of respect was terrible in all respects. Even without the ensuing failure and embarrassing show of incompetence.
It’s a eccentric Jewish oligarch in a Russian city called Ekaterinburg, who has working in the warehouse and business the private army of thousands of young women, and smaller number of young men.
As the corporate culture, they have a kind of cultic religion and marketing and he makes thousands of young employees do mass patriotic dances.
He also decorates the office with the kitsch aesthetics of the Russian empire epoch, with chandeliers and gold everywhere.
In some ways, it’s an American corporate culture where the employees have to pretend “I’m loving it”.
But in last year, some of the liberals in Russia discovered about him and as they said, it’s basically feudalism.
Because the number of the young women is so high, they can probably use the more enthusiastic people for the dances.
Not many young people in Russia enjoys this song “I am Russian”, it’s a fake astroturfed song for grandparents. The employees are dancing to show the patriotism of the oligarch to the authorities.
He also has employees learning Chinese dances to show to the Chinese politicians etc as he is importing Chinese products. https://vk.com/video-25280329_456259071
He does have tattooed young women employees also. It depends what products they are importing from China. For example, when they are selling the braid products they use the employees with more alternative fashions.
This is absurd. They’d been chief beneficiaries of a united territory that was also historically the PALE without Moscow’s control.
Siberia is full of such eccentricities.
The main class of people who deem those developments to be “disastrous” are r*ghtoid regressives – racists, homophobes, misogynists, etc. Normal people don’t mind them, while EHC welcomes them and seek to accelerate them.
This report suggests that illegals have undermined unions in California and depressed trade wages:
https://gellerreport.com/2018/03/whistleblower-california-says-illegals-taken-every-trade-construction-business.html/
Are such workers racist homophobes? What does this have to do with homosexuality? What about Hispanic Americans that don’t want illegals depressing their wages? Racist bastards?
Unz benefits from an open thread for general discussion but I don’t see why it should involve Karlin.
My guess is that he is trying to make a lateral move into mainstream politics. We have seen this before where an anti-establishment type recants.
Well it won’t work because the system views anything related to race and genetics as unforgivable. They have to set such a precedent because they know that race is more than painty-color and the third world is not the victim of a 200 year conspiracy of Whites. Anyone that discuses the unfortunate facts of race becomes a permanent pariah. They can find writers without that kind of history. You’d have to change your name and completely start over.
The U.S. is exiting the European Empire’s failing offensive: (1)
Will Paris and Berlin pay for a Ukrainian air force? Without Billions of €uros, it will not happen. Scholz & Macron look weaker than ever.
Clearly, the U.S. has no agency. Not-The-President Biden is in full mental collapse: (2)
Multiple videos at the linked source. The only reason the Veggie-in-Chief has not been put to pasture is fear of elevating Not-The-VP Harris.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-western-allies-have-already-failed-f-16-pledge
(2) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-biden-wanders-around-lost-slurs-through-july-4-speech
Only America and maybe Canada, which is partly geopolitics, but also because North America is the only religious developed country. It’s like enthusiasm of Harry Potter fans for building a real Hogwarts.
If you compare in England or Ireland, Israel is almost the most unpopular country for the public, except Russia. It has a very strong unpopularity in Western Europe.
While Israel is popular or viewed as potential model of development in the postsoviet culture especially more elite or governing culture. Kadyrov is an example, when he is not pretending he is Islamist, Kadyrov says “we need to be like Israel”.
If you said to English or Irish people, Israel is model of development, they would usually consider you as very strange, potentially somekind of mentally ill person.
In Russia or Ukraine, the people with Jewish roots have a much higher share of the ownership compared to in a more modern bourgeois capitalist society like America.
For example, Ekaterinburg is an example of a city in Russia, where overall majority of business and industry if you follow it, is owned by people with Jewish roots, if you exclude only a few businessmen like Makhmudov or Altushkin.
It’s because there are too many people with Jewish roots owning the private space, they are avoiding to publicize, not only roots, but also which people actually own the different properties.
It’s a kind of early modern politics, with the king and royal court managing at the top, and then delegate to different population. It’s also partly because the number of the population with Jewish roots is higher than in a Western society.
If the postsoviet society was more meritocratic, this proportion of the Jewish roots peoples’ ownership would fall. But on the other hand, the king wouldn’t be able to ignore the business class interests so easily and do the external policy which are very irrational for the region’s economic development.
Exception for oil & gas industry where you might not even want an Israel stamp in your passport.Replies: @Dmitry
https://global100.adl.org/map/oceania
Canada is the last, America and UK tied. These are people who really like Jews. American Jews also criticize Israel, while strongly supporting its right to exist.
Interesting that I can't quickly find a survey about various countries concerning Israel. WASPS are still in charge in the USA.
As I said, several individual Jews have a lot of wealth and power in the post-Soviet space.
But overall, the Anglo world loves Jews more, is friendlier to and supports Israel more, and has provided a much better home to more Jews than any other place in the world.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
Studies have shown that the wage slaves in 19th century London had higher standards of living than those living in the countryside. Furthermore, the example of chattel slavery in the United States shows that even chattel slaves were treated drastically better in places/times where there was a labor shortage. The massive labor shortage that existed in western Europe in the aftermath of the Black Death was probably the primary cause of the breakdown of serfdom in the region.
The biggest problem for the working people in the developed world is the fiat money system which transfers wealth from the workers to the Rentier class. This system is ahistorical, it technically has only existed in a pure form since 1973. When fiat finally dies, a great deal of power and wealth will be transferred to the workers.Replies: @S, @Beckow
These are straw men arguments that do not address my assertion whatsoever, namely that chattel slavery and it’s trade was monetized, rather than abolished, with the early 19th century introduction within the Anglosphere of specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system.
I should add, describing the situation the way I have, puts the moral onus where it rightfully always belonged.
Rather than the crazy, ridiculous, and inverted state of affairs which exist now, where the peoples of the world are demonized and made to feel guilty for even acknowledging their physical and cultural existance and the natural right to continue to do so, it would be upon the former slave dealers (now ‘labor contractors’, the former slave owners (now wage slave/’cheap labor’/’immigrant’ exploiters, and former chattel slave financiers (now wage slave system financiers) why it is that the peoples of the world must forever give up their very souls so these historically grossly immoral/amoral slaving relative few and their hangers on should profit handsomely in the short term for refusing to do the socially responsible and moral thing, namely to simply pay the prevailing real time local rates for labor to generally their own people, a nigh impossible task if these people were being truthful to themselves and others, which they have decidedly not been.
Will probably simply have to agree to disagree.
He is equating "Elite Human Capitalism" with open boarders, anti-racism and pro-LGBT+ . I am not sure how any of it fits together.
I want a blog post here at UNZ about "Elite Human Capitalism" or a stubstack post by Karlin. He needs to define it in simple terms so we can understand. How is EHC better than nationalism, anarcho capitalism, libertarianism or paleoconservatism?
EHC is not the "next big thing", nobody promotes it apart from Karlin. It sounds like bedroom autism to me right now. It's a nice idea to invent a new political philosophy but there is no point in inventing something that nobody understands.Replies: @A123, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin
The question about “elite human capitalism” would be if this refers to the middle class which sells labor and has nerdy/intellectual culture or the upper class which is owning the capital. ( This relates with my discussion in the last thread https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-222/#comment-6042056 )
In the context of Russia for example.
There are the nerdy middle class people who sell their labor as engineers etc, the elite of this group are gastarbaiters in the West. This is the intellectual class created by the society, which producing value using the mental operations in the context of the office or sometimes in the unversity.
A small percentage of them, also have the managerial or also the entrepreneur blood, become “technology entrepreneurs” like Serg Bell. Entrepreneurs are kind of in the bourgeois/upper class as the owners of means of production in the Western future industries, but their origin and culture is different than the other upper class.
Most of the nerdy Russians, are more connected to the Russian culture, they are usually liberals and their religion is about human rights and democracy.
But then there are real upper class, who have international culture more related to property, yachts, interior decorations. Real upper class is less interested about Russia.
For Russians, upper class and the nerdy/intellectual class, are not usually friends. It’s two different societies. The upper class has multinational culture and half their friends are usually French, Italian, even Chinese and Nigerian.
Upper class are often very sociable and nice people, with relaxed culture, while the nerdy middle class class are usually a bit of workholics and boring although very socially liberal and politically liberal.
As a follow up.
Why do Muslims keep their fellow coreligionists in the Jenin “Refugee Camp”?
All of the camp guards are Islamists.
The emergency ended decades ago.
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Ilya Somin opposes a one-world government due to the risk of global tyranny with no exit options:
https://fee.org/articles/a-cosmopolitan-case-against-world-government/
The risk of global tyranny could be low in any given year, but over the centuries and millenniums, it could significantly increase.
Also, I was only talking about hereditary transfer of wealth that is forced or coerced by the state, such as involuntary child support payments. Voluntary transfers of wealth, whether to relatives, friends, or total strangers, should absolutely be permitted. Ilya Somin’s issue with borders isn’t only that they’re anti-egalitarian, but that this is a form of anti-egalitarianism that is enforced by the coercive powers of the state.
Clearly, the U.S. has no agency. Not-The-President Biden is in full mental collapse: (2) Multiple videos at the linked source. The only reason the Veggie-in-Chief has not been put to pasture is fear of elevating Not-The-VP Harris.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-western-allies-have-already-failed-f-16-pledge
(2) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-biden-wanders-around-lost-slurs-through-july-4-speechReplies: @Mikhail
The training to effectively fly F-16s takes a good deal of time. That plane also has limits relative to what Russia has. For them to be best used within the next year would require non-Ukrainians to fly them.
However, older F-16s are no better than these ex-Soviet planes. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, but are roughly comparable. F-16's would be properly networked into NATO ISR which is either better or worse, depending on your concern level over WW3.Replies: @Mikhail
You're saying that network states can make it big with much smaller populations because they accumulate elite human capital, but even after adjusting for EHC, I suspect that you underestimate the difficulty level that having network states replace nation-states involves. After all, even Mensa International only has 145,000 members, and it could form a very impressive network state had its members actually had the desire for this, but AFAIK, it still has several times less 130+ IQ people than Russia has. And Russia is worse off in regards to this relative to Japan, not to mention the US, EU, and China.
So, for network states to really compete against the top-notch nation-states, they'd need to accumulate extraordinary levels of EHC. Again, even Mensa International's levels of EHC are at least an order of magnitude less than what would actually be necessary for this. And Mensa International truly does have extraordinary levels of EHC that would be the envy of any network state.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
It’s not really the correct model through which to view things.
Network state citizenships are not mutually exclusive to the extent that nation state citizenships tend to be.
For instance, nothing stops me from being an Afropolitan (if they accept transracial POC thing like myself), Prospera, and Zuzalu simultaneously.
https://thenetworkstate.com/dashboard
In the long-term, I expect there to be 10,000s to millions of network states ranging the gamut from say Anthropic citizens (e.g. belonging to lifeforms descended primarily from humans, as opposed to say uplifted animals and de novo lifeforms) to small groups, teams, and cliques.
No. They will own land as private gated property, cryptographically secured on blockchain. Though some obviously will have public open areas and/or open days.
Yes, EHC obviously embraces polyamory.
It has been historically maladaptive, but this will no longer be the case as posthumans free themselves from their inherited genetic and psychosexual anchors.
In general all the many gender identities will go from mostly larp (not to kink shame or counter-signal against them – as an extreme progressive, that is not something I would ever do – but realistically, that is what most of this stuff currently is, due to technological backwardness) to something that’s actually quite real and concrete.
Also, would they have the right to sell their property to whomever they would want to, or would there be restrictions on that? Would a citizen of a white nationalist network state be allowed to sell their property within this network state to a non-white person, for instance? (I can easily imagine rich people with different political visions from those who currently live in network states buying up a lot of property in these network states in an attempt to destroy these network states from within. Or would doing so be pointless because the former citizens of this network state can simply recreate this network state elsewhere?)
Johnson’s F-16 Flying Lessons
JJ, since you are nostalgic, what about this blast from the past?
https://t.me/llordofwar/167950
linked by yetanotheranon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mariupol_(2014)Would you expect an armed government response if Mexican separatists stormed a government building in New Mexico? Or would you just shrug? Here is something more recent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO9u0XT6O40That is the totalitarian state you defend on a free speech message board. Stormtroopers hauling off a woman for holding up two words on a small piece of paper. The words actually say two words. Free speech for me but not for thee. - Unz Dwarf Defense ForceReplies: @QCIC, @Mikel
Isn’t having US politicians suck up to Israel viewed much more favorably by Evangelical Christians than by US Jews, with the exception of Orthodox Jews, which are a relatively small but apparently rapidly growing segment of US Jewry? AFAIK, a lot of US Jews have relatively ambivalent feelings towards Israel due to its increasing Jewish chauvinism (right-wing Israeli Jews want to repeal the Grandchild Clause of Israel’s Law of Return, for instance) and its continued occupation of Palestinian territories.
He is equating "Elite Human Capitalism" with open boarders, anti-racism and pro-LGBT+ . I am not sure how any of it fits together.
I want a blog post here at UNZ about "Elite Human Capitalism" or a stubstack post by Karlin. He needs to define it in simple terms so we can understand. How is EHC better than nationalism, anarcho capitalism, libertarianism or paleoconservatism?
EHC is not the "next big thing", nobody promotes it apart from Karlin. It sounds like bedroom autism to me right now. It's a nice idea to invent a new political philosophy but there is no point in inventing something that nobody understands.Replies: @A123, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin
I defined it here but I will certainly expand on it: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-223/#comment-6041609
Maybe not. I think a proficient MiG-29 or Su-27 pilot could transition to an F-16 pretty quickly assuming the graphics are labeled in Russian (don’t really know how much that matters).
However, older F-16s are no better than these ex-Soviet planes. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, but are roughly comparable. F-16’s would be properly networked into NATO ISR which is either better or worse, depending on your concern level over WW3.
JJ, since you are nostalgic, what about this blast from the past?
https://t.me/llordofwar/167950
linked by yetanotheranonReplies: @John Johnson
You mean when Russian separatists stormed a government building?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mariupol_(2014)
Would you expect an armed government response if Mexican separatists stormed a government building in New Mexico?
Or would you just shrug?
Here is something more recent:
That is the totalitarian state you defend on a free speech message board.
Stormtroopers hauling off a woman for holding up two words on a small piece of paper. The words actually say two words.
Free speech for me but not for thee. – Unz Dwarf Defense Force
I thought you might be rooting for the Russian-speaking freedom fighters, who were basically saying "Don't Tread on Me!".
The West started this war against Russia using Ukraine as a pawn.Replies: @John Johnson
The popular uprising was as legitimate as any other, including probably the one we celebrated the day before yesterday. The fact that some Russian adventurers with probable links to the Kremlin had shown up further north in Donbas does not mean that a majority of Donbasers were not in favor of separation. They are two different facts.
The BLM/Antifa lootings and riots across the US were by all measures less legitimate than the Donbasers' protests. But I can't remember any instances of American officers killing unarmed civilians, as happened in Mariupol and later on all across Donbas. Neither are the French doing that in the current riots or the Spaniards when the Catalans tried to secede.
Besides, this was not a country with 200 years of history. It had been independent for barely 30 years under old administrative borders drawn by USSR dictators. Ethnic allegiances had not fully settled yet. The Moscow dwarf has probably fixed that problem now but the Kiev dwarf and his predecessors could have taken a much more mature, conciliatory approach toward part of their co-citizens before starting shooting at them mercilessly with live fire. Like the examples I cited above. That approach may have even prevented this war.
In any case, moral outrage directed at only one side is always fake. Your repetitive denunciation of only one side and refusal to accept any wrongdoing whatsoever by the other side is wasted on a board like this where people are much better informed than the normie population. As I told you the other day, we already have the BBC, CNN and all the rest to spread your message from every rooftop.Replies: @John Johnson
In hard sciences every body I have talked to for many years except for Muslims thinks pretty highly of Israel and is eager to take job interviews with them. They have a lot of high end cred. They don’t want to live in that culture or geography but they would like that Israel corporation line item on their CV. Elite human capital if you have a strong stomach. : )
Exception for oil & gas industry where you might not even want an Israel stamp in your passport.
But they avoid carefully to say their nationality, act like they a fashionable origin nationality, like an Italian woman or Greek woman. Even though Europeans don't need this paperwork she talks about. All the things she is talking about, is only information you need for non-European employees in Dublin. -It's not like the same extent as Russians are trying to avoid talking about their nationality in Europe. But there is a similar situation when you are from unpopular countries. It's not neurotic, which implies a subjective choice, as there is objective cost for coming from the unfashionable countries, probably even we can make an earning cost estimator for gastarbaitars in relation to how unpopular their country is.
Network state citizenships are not mutually exclusive to the extent that nation state citizenships tend to be.
For instance, nothing stops me from being an Afropolitan (if they accept transracial POC thing like myself), Prospera, and Zuzalu simultaneously.
https://thenetworkstate.com/dashboard
In the long-term, I expect there to be 10,000s to millions of network states ranging the gamut from say Anthropic citizens (e.g. belonging to lifeforms descended primarily from humans, as opposed to say uplifted animals and de novo lifeforms) to small groups, teams, and cliques. No. They will own land as private gated property, cryptographically secured on blockchain. Though some obviously will have public open areas and/or open days. Yes, EHC obviously embraces polyamory.
It has been historically maladaptive, but this will no longer be the case as posthumans free themselves from their inherited genetic and psychosexual anchors.
In general all the many gender identities will go from mostly larp (not to kink shame or counter-signal against them - as an extreme progressive, that is not something I would ever do - but realistically, that is what most of this stuff currently is, due to technological backwardness) to something that's actually quite real and concrete.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Nation-state citizenships don’t always have to be exclusive either. I myself am a dual citizenship of the US and Israel, for instance. In theory, I *might* be able to apply for Russian citizenship due to me speaking Russian fluently and my parents being born in the USSR (they left it as it was collapsing and they never actually acquired Russian citizenship afterwards because it was too expensive and not really necessary, and of course now the current political climate rules out this idea for them until and unless Russia will have a significantly more pro-Western government, which is unlikely to happen for a while, if ever), which could benefit me if Russia will ever become pro-Western and join the EU during my own lifetime.
Anyway, in combination, network states can be quite formidable, but in a 1:1 comparison, nation-states would still be more impressive. But when we’re comparing, say, 10,000 network states vs. the 10 most successful nation-states, then Yeah, who knows how this comparison might pan out.
I would prefer nation-states and network states to coexist in harmony and I do enjoy the success that nation-states have produced over the centuries and would thus like to sustain it to the maximum extent possible. Network states could be useful vehicles for escape for people who dislike all nation-states, though. But individual network states are unlikely to ever become world-powers like nation-states are. Though if one doesn’t actually care about that, then this would be irrelevant.
How will they be governed?
I disagree that polyamory has historically been maladaptive. It might have been socially shunned due to Judeo-Christian influences, sure, but someone who has 2+ lovers and has children from both of these lovers would actually be more evolutionarily successful than someone who only has one lover. Henry IV of France, for instance, was able to maximize his reproductive potential by reproducing with his mistresses along with his wives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV_of_France%27s_wives_and_mistresses
It’s the same story for Charles Ferdinand, Duke of Berry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ferdinand,_Duke_of_Berry
In a similar manner, fertility doctors who secretly use their own sperm to impregnate their female patients likewise massively maximize their own reproductive potential, though in this case, by behaving severely immorally, unethically, and possibly illegally as well, unlike with consensual polyamory:
https://apnews.com/article/fertility-doctor-hand-built-plane-crash-607864669049b8c6744f52034d37aea9#:~:text=The%20lawsuit%20said%20the%20doctor,offspring%2C%20became%20his%20gynecology%20patient.
Such fertility doctors truly are Based but they’re still vile and evil people. Polyamorous people, on the other hand, are generally quite decent and good people to my knowledge.
The non-binary identity can already be quite real and concrete if one embraces a physical concept of gender quite separate from the conventional binary. For instance, a man becoming a literal/physical eunuch, or a man voluntarily getting breasts, or a woman getting her breasts removed voluntarily (for non-medical reasons), or a woman getting a penis, or a man getting a vagina. I mean doing all of these things without going all of the way with a full physical or social transition. For instance, this is an example of a non-binary person:
xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/k0j2tz/i_am_male_and_want_a_vagina/
And this as well:
xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/NonBinary/comments/9f5uet/i_wamt_to_be_a_man_with_a_vagina/
And this:
xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xj40zy/i_am_amab_but_i_want_to_have_a_vagina_instead_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/k0j2tz/i_am_male_and_w
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonBinary/comments/9f5uet/i_wamt_to_be_a_man_w
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xj40zy/i_am_amab_but_iReplies: @Mikel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mariupol_(2014)Would you expect an armed government response if Mexican separatists stormed a government building in New Mexico? Or would you just shrug? Here is something more recent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO9u0XT6O40That is the totalitarian state you defend on a free speech message board. Stormtroopers hauling off a woman for holding up two words on a small piece of paper. The words actually say two words. Free speech for me but not for thee. - Unz Dwarf Defense ForceReplies: @QCIC, @Mikel
Are you claiming that the fighting in the East was instigated by the Russophiles? I don’t think the rest of our NeoNAZI lovers at Unz claim that. They usually chalk it up to acceptable losses.
I thought you might be rooting for the Russian-speaking freedom fighters, who were basically saying “Don’t Tread on Me!”.
The West started this war against Russia using Ukraine as a pawn.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/-phileThe term is used with hobbies and doesn't accurately describe armed insurrections that wanted their own states. They started an uprising after their pro-Russian president was removed for corruption. His own pro-Russian party has disavowed him as a criminal that ordered the shootings of protestors. I can dig up their complete statement if you would like. I thought you might be rooting for the Russian-speaking freedom fighters, who were basically saying “Don’t Tread on Me!”.
They weren't fighting for freedom. They were separatists that did not support democracy. As with pro-Russian Crimean separatists they didn't want to allow democracy. They wanted to exist as independent states but autocratic and openly pro-Russia. Putin swore to recognize them as independent states but then broke his word. Can provide a link to his sworn statement if you would like. The West started this war against Russia using Ukraine as a pawn.
Putin started this war by invading Ukraine. Militia fighting had dropped off a cliff and more Slavs died by drowning in 2020. Zelensky defeated that pro-Western candidate on a platform of neutrality with Russia. Do you deny any of that?Why don't you explain exactly how the West started all of this given that the Ukrainian public supported removing a corrupt president. Should corrupt presidents not be removed?Replies: @QCIC
I thought you might be rooting for the Russian-speaking freedom fighters, who were basically saying "Don't Tread on Me!".
The West started this war against Russia using Ukraine as a pawn.Replies: @John Johnson
Are you claiming that the fighting in the East was instigated by the Russophiles? I don’t think the rest of our NeoNAZI lovers at Unz claim that. They usually chalk it up to acceptable losses.
I don’t use the term Russophile. A phile is “lover of” or “enthusiast for”.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/-phile
The term is used with hobbies and doesn’t accurately describe armed insurrections that wanted their own states.
They started an uprising after their pro-Russian president was removed for corruption. His own pro-Russian party has disavowed him as a criminal that ordered the shootings of protestors. I can dig up their complete statement if you would like.
I thought you might be rooting for the Russian-speaking freedom fighters, who were basically saying “Don’t Tread on Me!”.
They weren’t fighting for freedom. They were separatists that did not support democracy. As with pro-Russian Crimean separatists they didn’t want to allow democracy. They wanted to exist as independent states but autocratic and openly pro-Russia. Putin swore to recognize them as independent states but then broke his word. Can provide a link to his sworn statement if you would like.
The West started this war against Russia using Ukraine as a pawn.
Putin started this war by invading Ukraine.
Militia fighting had dropped off a cliff and more Slavs died by drowning in 2020. Zelensky defeated that pro-Western candidate on a platform of neutrality with Russia. Do you deny any of that?
Why don’t you explain exactly how the West started all of this given that the Ukrainian public supported removing a corrupt president. Should corrupt presidents not be removed?
This was part of a process which goes back to the fall of the USSR and continued with the USA dropping out of the ABM Treaty. There were a great many other aggressive and provocative moves made by the West over that time against Russia.
I don't think you or any others here have given any justification for these moves against Russia. When Russia eventually decided to defend herself and respond, the shit hits the fan and all you can say is "Russia did it." There was a lot of build up to 2014 and even more to 2022.
Zelensky is completely fake, just another pawn. He does what Kolomoisky and Co. tell him to do.Replies: @AP, @John Johnson
The Biden-Germany Axis:
However, older F-16s are no better than these ex-Soviet planes. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, but are roughly comparable. F-16's would be properly networked into NATO ISR which is either better or worse, depending on your concern level over WW3.Replies: @Mikhail
How many such pilots exist on the Kiev regime side? Regarding the training point, I’ve heard the opposite, with the view that it could be quite problematical on account of MiG pilots being brought up on a different plane that would lead to the teaching an old dog new tricks syndrome. One to three years to effectively master the F-16 is what I’ve heard, leading to some saying that non-Ukrainians could fly that plane for the Kiev regime side.
Based on what’s known, what are the chances of them getting shot down versus having success?
I think if F-16s try to make a serious contribution in Ukraine many will be shot down, with Ukrainian or NATO pilots. My impression is that Ukraine still has some planes because they are only using them in a peripheral role.
It seems absurd to you, who have little and warped knowledge of Intermarium, where large numbers of Jews settled because they were provided refuge against persecution in western lands.
Within Intermarium, Jews played a role not unlike that of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. They had a separate community, some provided services to the Lords, they had a certain position and didn’t go outside their bounds. They were advantaged relative to peasants and some were very rich, but they had no real power.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/-phileThe term is used with hobbies and doesn't accurately describe armed insurrections that wanted their own states. They started an uprising after their pro-Russian president was removed for corruption. His own pro-Russian party has disavowed him as a criminal that ordered the shootings of protestors. I can dig up their complete statement if you would like. I thought you might be rooting for the Russian-speaking freedom fighters, who were basically saying “Don’t Tread on Me!”.
They weren't fighting for freedom. They were separatists that did not support democracy. As with pro-Russian Crimean separatists they didn't want to allow democracy. They wanted to exist as independent states but autocratic and openly pro-Russia. Putin swore to recognize them as independent states but then broke his word. Can provide a link to his sworn statement if you would like. The West started this war against Russia using Ukraine as a pawn.
Putin started this war by invading Ukraine. Militia fighting had dropped off a cliff and more Slavs died by drowning in 2020. Zelensky defeated that pro-Western candidate on a platform of neutrality with Russia. Do you deny any of that?Why don't you explain exactly how the West started all of this given that the Ukrainian public supported removing a corrupt president. Should corrupt presidents not be removed?Replies: @QCIC
People like Nuland and John McCain were not celebrating democracy in Ukraine. They were celebrating the success of an anti-Russia coup by the West. The coup was slightly subtle since there are crooks on all sides of the government in Ukraine. But that doesn’t matter, the West wanted to take Russia down and is willing to use any move or tell any lie to make it happen.
This was part of a process which goes back to the fall of the USSR and continued with the USA dropping out of the ABM Treaty. There were a great many other aggressive and provocative moves made by the West over that time against Russia.
I don’t think you or any others here have given any justification for these moves against Russia. When Russia eventually decided to defend herself and respond, the shit hits the fan and all you can say is “Russia did it.” There was a lot of build up to 2014 and even more to 2022.
Zelensky is completely fake, just another pawn. He does what Kolomoisky and Co. tell him to do.
This shows that either you are incapable of learning and can only regurgitate what the Russian liars tell you, or that you are deliberately lying.
In order to believe this lie, you must believe the lie that people in Ukraine are not free to choose their government (including being free to overthrow it). Just to be clear - Russia "defended itself" against something that did not cross the Russian border.
Like America "defended itself" against Iraq. Or Germany "defended itself" against Poland.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Wokechoke, @QCIC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_ResidenceThis was supposed to be the home of someone on a modest government salary:
https://d3hne3c382ip58.cloudfront.net/resized/750x420/private-tour-to-the-mezhyhirya-residence-tour-2-20733_0.JPGThe lights alone cost more than his annual pay. Do explain exactly how removing a corrupt president is a coup, especially when his own pro-Russian party disavowed him as a criminal.Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123
I think some Ukrainian planes have been shot down but many were chased off to the West of the country and maybe Poland and Romania. I think they have pilots, but these people may not be flying often and therefore are not currently proficient (g-forces, muscle memory). I could be wrong about the difficulty of the transition, but that is my opinion. If people are serious some of these pilots have been working in F-16 flight simulators.
I think if F-16s try to make a serious contribution in Ukraine many will be shot down, with Ukrainian or NATO pilots. My impression is that Ukraine still has some planes because they are only using them in a peripheral role.
I am sad that delusions related to Ukrainian nationalism make so many people willing and even eager to risk WW3.
Propaganda and shared delusions are a terrible thing.
I recommend you start working to convince your friends to capitulate while there is still something left to preserve. Or maybe you don’t really care what happens to the East of the river?
Exception for oil & gas industry where you might not even want an Israel stamp in your passport.Replies: @Dmitry
But in your example it’s people in a small cultural niche (sciences or engineering) where the country was successful? Also I guess it is older people? For younger people, Israel is at least unfashionable in Western Europe, to say mildly. It’s not as unpopular as Russia, but it’s definitely below the median level of popularity of countries.
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Aside from Russians, I think Israelis can be also one of the nationalities where some people now are even embarrassed to say their country of origin in Europe, because the unpopularity of the country.
A few months ago, I saw this funny online example the very accurate and informative gastarbaitar, who makes videos about living in Dublin You know she would be Israeli because they have the native Hebrew accent. They can’t say “h”, “d”, “oo” etc.
But they avoid carefully to say their nationality, act like they a fashionable origin nationality, like an Italian woman or Greek woman. Even though Europeans don’t need this paperwork she talks about. All the things she is talking about, is only information you need for non-European employees in Dublin.
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It’s not like the same extent as Russians are trying to avoid talking about their nationality in Europe. But there is a similar situation when you are from unpopular countries.
It’s not neurotic, which implies a subjective choice, as there is objective cost for coming from the unfashionable countries, probably even we can make an earning cost estimator for gastarbaitars in relation to how unpopular their country is.
The Russians failed to take Kiev and there were leaked plans showing how they planned on managing the new government.
But you are suggesting that the 40 mile supply and armor column headed towards Kiev was not actually part of a plan to take over the entire country?Replies: @Beckow
It was way too small for that, and you know it. It was an attempt to pressure Kiev into negotiating what would amount to Minsk++ Kiev dilly dallied for about a month, then refused the deal, Russians withdrew and more regular war started in the east and south.
If Russia wanted the entire country, why didn’t they ask for it in Istanbul negotiation? Or actually in any talks? You are hallucinating because you want to control the narrative. The truth is just too unpalatable: Russia is only interested in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine, in keeping Nato out and in assuring its own long-term security. Fairly reasonable goals, but they clash with what pro-Western Ukies and Nato want. So you exaggerate and pretend that Russia wants to take over the world. Otherwise the slaughter of Ukies can’t be justified. Right?
It is the usual tactic of people who lie to convince their own people to support an unnecessary war. An Anglo thing to do – Tony Blair’s lies – it is not working any more.
Refuge from persecution…the Hews were expelled from England and France and Sigidmund the Shabbos invited them in to help fleece the Orthodox.
Here are the other threads:
https://twitter.com/itsartoir/status/1676639846792658955?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcgReplies: @Mr. XYZ
AP, somewhat off-topic, but I have a question for you: Do you believe that Russia and Ukraine were actually close to reaching a negotiated peace settlement before the Bucha massacre became public knowledge? This is what critics of the war have argued and have used it as an argument to show that Russia wants peace while it is the West that wants continued war. Personally, I’m skeptical of this considering that Russia subsequently annexed four additional Ukrainian oblasts, thus making peace much harder, but I was wondering what you yourself personally think about this.
Seems like the Ottoman hatred for the Armenians was deeper than the Intermarium’s hate for Jews. Some of it was because the Armenians were perceived as a possible security risk due to their close ties with Russia, but the Ottomans were also killing Armenians to a lesser degree (but still in very high absolute numbers) even when Russia was friendlier with the Ottomans and more Armenophobic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidian_massacres
The only comparable case of mass murder of Jews in Intermarium in the industrial era prior to the Holocaust (which was facilitated mostly by Germans rather than by Intermarium peoples themselves, though a few, such as Balts and western Ukrainians, unfortunately appear to have been rather enthusiastic in participating) was the murder of 150,000-200,000 Jews in Greater Russia (mostly in Ukraine, I think) during the Russian Civil War. Which was comparable in scale to the 1890s Hamidian massacres, not to the later, much bloodier 1910s Armenian Genocide.
Prigozhin apparently liked some Sacha Cohen roles, lol


Makes me wonder if he had plastic surgery.
https://api.theins.ru/storage/content_block/image/16317/file-630d0b6672eee2d3fe072ad000c265ef.jpeg
https://api.theins.ru/storage/content_block/image/16313/file-0e536f88e1999bab58405360feb92904.pngReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death
Another juicy episode of the soap opera Santa Barbara (aka, Wagnergate) brought to you by Michael Nacki. "It was all for the money."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyHd-iUShr8&t=29sApparently he strangled a woman (thankfully, not to death, it seems). Crazy dude,
Jews have zero meaningful disagreements about subsidising Israel. Don’t be a troll. Israel doesn’t get a subsidy because of cucky evangelicals. The Evangelicals were cultivated by Jewish interests to provide for Israel’s sustenance.
They were close as per multiple sources (Turkish, Israeli, US) including the Russians. Proof of “Bucha massacre” versus the other view that such was staged to further warrant armed conflict over negotiation.
Perfectly understandable to reunite additional territory when the adversary maintains an uncompromisingly violent trend.
The Intermarium loves the Jews. Intermarium is a Jewish playground. Germans stomped much of it.
I would trust nay claims by Putin or the Russian government now, as I wuold when he said Russia hadn’t sent troops into Crimea or Russia wouldn’t attack.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/
In any case, here is what Cathy Young, who is very pro-Ukraine, says about this:
https://www.thebulwark.com/no-the-united-states-and-its-allies-did-not-blow-up-a-ukraine-russia-peace-deal/
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1676708216938328065Replies: @Wokechoke, @S, @LatW
I saw several images of Prigozhid in disguises in the Middle East. Almost like he’s a shapeshifting Jew working for Mossad.
Indiana Jones and the Kathleen Kennedy Self Insert has fallen to #2 at the box office (1).
It is surpassed by the Rightoid action feature Sound of Freedom. A wholesome story about saving children from human trafficking.
The crushing blow is even worse considering Freedom is only on ~2,600 screens versus 4,600 for the purest Leftoid 🌐🏳️🌈 fare Indy5. IslamoGloboHomo delivers an #EpicFAIL
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2023/07/04
Suffernig Sanctions
Compare to the best parts of Manhattan –
This was part of a process which goes back to the fall of the USSR and continued with the USA dropping out of the ABM Treaty. There were a great many other aggressive and provocative moves made by the West over that time against Russia.
I don't think you or any others here have given any justification for these moves against Russia. When Russia eventually decided to defend herself and respond, the shit hits the fan and all you can say is "Russia did it." There was a lot of build up to 2014 and even more to 2022.
Zelensky is completely fake, just another pawn. He does what Kolomoisky and Co. tell him to do.Replies: @AP, @John Johnson
You repeat the false claim that there was a coup.
This shows that either you are incapable of learning and can only regurgitate what the Russian liars tell you, or that you are deliberately lying.
In order to believe this lie, you must believe the lie that people in Ukraine are not free to choose their government (including being free to overthrow it).
Just to be clear – Russia “defended itself” against something that did not cross the Russian border.
Like America “defended itself” against Iraq. Or Germany “defended itself” against Poland.
The issue that I see with the February 2014 deal in regards to Ukraine is that it had apparently called for the Maidan to be emptied:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_settlement_of_political_crisis_in_Ukraine#:~:text=The%20Agreement%20on%20the%20Settlement,the%20European%20Union%20and%20Russia.
"Viktor Yanukovych: "the Opposition and radical forces, which were submitted on the Maidan, and not only on the Maidan, but also in other regions, they had to disarm, vacate all the occupied territories. But it was not implemented. And, as a result, Kyiv was overrun by armed men who began to smash homes, religious institutions, temples, began to make suffer completely innocent people. People just on the streets robbed and beaten. And it continues today. So the agreement for us, of course, gave some hope. But with everything that happened next, it's difficult to call any epithets".[7]"
If my analysis of this is correct, then such a move would have obviously been too risky for the Ukrainian opposition. What if they agree to empty the Maidan and disarm, and Yanukovych subsequently breaks the deal, rigs the next election, and fills the Maidan with his security services (whom he would have purged of disloyal elements in the meantime) so that the Maidan could not once again be filled up with protesters? In other words, adopt a strategy similar to Lukashenko's in Belarus in 2020? Maybe Yanukovych was too incompetent to pull all of this off, but still, the Ukrainian opposition didn't want to take any chances.
It does seem reasonable that if the Maidan did not have to be emptied, then maybe Yanukovych should have been given a chance to exit peacefully in spite of his previous bad behavior. One last chance, so to speak. But that wasn't the actual deal, IIRC. Yep, if countries' security concerns automatically deserve deference, then the same logic could apply to the examples above. The US was worried that Iraq was developing nukes and WMDs, or so it said. Germany was worried about having an Anglo-French proxy on its doorstep and, later on, a powerful Communist state on its doorstep. Russia was worried about the West placing (nuclear?) missiles in Ukraine even though the West made it crystal-clear to Russia that it had no plans to do this and in any case the West was already perfectly capable of using the Baltics for this purpose (had the West ever actually had the desire to do this, which it had not so far over the last 19 years since the Baltics became NATO members) and thus didn't actually need Ukraine for this.Replies: @John Johnson
I don't have the luxury of your tunnel vision. I see this war as going back directly to 2003 (even earlier) with the USA leaving the ABM nuclear weapons treaty. These and other Western steps are a foundation which led to the current fighting. In this perspective, Ukraine is simply a pawn of the West to be used up at Russia's expense.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP
2. The Creator of the world did not give the Russian people Crimea as part of their eternal inheritance. Nations come and go and their borders move around. The Jews are the only eternal nation.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow, @S
At times, you seem all over the place on what you actually believe.
Serious question.
Jared Kushner is young, seemingly gregarious, is modern Jewish Orthodox, a family friend of Netanyahu, a past registered Democrat, Independent, and now, a Republican, and was instrumental in regards to putting together the Abraham Accords and the US-Mexico-Canada agreement.
Kushner, therefore, seems to be someone who could potentially be all things to all people.
Do you see him as someone the Jewish people could possibly follow as the Moshiach? [Naturally, only answer if you feel like doing so.]
ttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Mexico–Canada_Agreement
Redemption timeline:
1. Jews get regathered to Israel (already happened; Israel has had the majority of the world's Jewish population since around 2010)
2. Mashiach ben Yoseph takes power in Israel, eradicating the Palestinian national movement and finally delivering security to Israel for the first time since its rebirth
3. The security is short lived, however, as Russia/Iran then move against Israel (unclear if this is part of a larger war against the West or if Israel is actually the main focus). This coalition has at least the tacit support of the entire Arab/Islamic world in addition to the direct support of Lebanon, Syria, Turke, Libya (possibly) and South Africa. It's unclear if China will be directly involved or not. Personally I think the Chinese will sit this one out.
4. During the course of the fighting, Mashiach ben Yoseph is killed. The Russian coalition then conquers Israel (presumably the Russians do the bulk of the fighting as the Iranians are too primitive, cowardly and stupid to successfully defeat the Jews, or any other nation really, in battle)
5. Russia sets up an occupation government
6. The Russian occupation government, likely at the urging of their completely retarded Iranian junior partner, proceed to show great cruelty to their new Jewish subjects. The goal being to drive all Jews out of the Land of Israel and restore the country to the Palestinians
7. The world gets rocked by devastating natural disasters/famines/plagues
8. Mashiach ben David appears and miraculously destroys Russia and Iran, leaving only a tiny fraction of their populations alive. It's unclear if the other nations in the Russia/Iran coalition will also be annihilated
9. Global peace and prosperity for all (who didn't get killed in all the wars/famines/plagues, at least; I can't remember if the usual estimate is 1/3 of earth's population dying or 2/3)
As for people saying my ideas are crazy, all I am saying is basic Judaism. I'm not saying anything that leading Torah scholars all over the world haven't been saying for hundreds of years.
Now in fairness, Judaism doesn't take prophecy very seriously. It certainly doesn't appear like most religious Jews are anticipating all the above unfolding anytime soon. And certainly it's difficult to imagine a situation where a coalition that includes the Iranians having success at anything, let alone defeating an economically developed nuclear power like modern Israel. So we'll see. Hopefully everything can get resolved peacefully without anyone getting hurt. But when I look at the world today, I can't say I'm optimistic.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @S
Not directly about Israel, but according to the ADL the Anglo countries are the least antisemitic:
https://global100.adl.org/map/oceania
Canada is the last, America and UK tied. These are people who really like Jews.
American Jews also criticize Israel, while strongly supporting its right to exist.
Interesting that I can’t quickly find a survey about various countries concerning Israel.
WASPS are still in charge in the USA.
As I said, several individual Jews have a lot of wealth and power in the post-Soviet space.
But overall, the Anglo world loves Jews more, is friendlier to and supports Israel more, and has provided a much better home to more Jews than any other place in the world.
Still quite interesting that the Anglo world used to be more anti-Semitic. It shut its doors to most Jewish immigrants in the 1920s and 1930s, up to the point of sometimes even refusing to accept Jewish refugees who badly needed refuge, such as those on the SS St. Louis, which both the US and Canada refused to accept (but *some* of which Britain subsequently accepted). And it used to have Jewish quotas in university admissions in the early 20th century just like Intermarium had.
In Republic of Ireland, which is free-market, liberal democracy, which is meritocratic, with modern companies, follow a formal rules, it would be usually filter for mentally ill people of Ireland who are talking like this about 0,03% of their population who are Jewish or have Jewish roots.
But in more feudal or early modern system like Russia or Ukraine, a high proportion of the business is at people with least "Jewish roots" (usually not Jews in the Israeli concept). So, even most of the people with Jewish roots in postsoviet countries could say yes in those questions, not relating to positive or negative feeling about the topic, just objectively talking about the high ratios in context of very "imperfect meritocracy". In postsoviet countries, including Ukraine, Jewish has connotation of more elite or higher status. It's partly true also to the objective economic conditions, although in reality there are a lot of poor people and most of the Jewish roots people are also poor in these countries.
While in countries like UK or Ireland, Judaism would be viewed as a kind of primitive religious obscurantism. These are also countries with wide distribution of wealth, more idealistic population, where economic status is less prioritized. In Republic of Ireland or UK, Palestinian flags are common and fashionable. Especially Ireland, although they are also Palestinian flags in the fashionable parts of Great Britain. Only Israeli flag in those countries is used in Israeli embassy in those countries.
Israel is one of the most unpopular countries among the Western people and the Western Europeans. If there was an Israel flag, the people would cut it off and stand on it. (While in Kiev, it's opposite of Western Europe, they add Israel flags on the streets https://youtu.be/jHAf8x1thsU?t=97.)
In the media in Ireland or Great Britain, Israel is viewed like Russia, while Palestine is viewed like Ukraine. Even with a balanced reporting, Israel is viewed negatively, closer to Iraq or Syria, than popular countries like Greece or Italy. Anything about Israel in English or Irish media, has likely very negative view.
In postsoviet countries, it's the opposite situation. Russian federal television is more Zionist than Fox News.
A typical first channel in Russia, is hour documentaries of Urgant and Pozner walking in the Israeli desert. https://rutube.ru/video/ab87c77e5ff4bcbad8f13b0f44cb132c/
A lot of the local news reporters in Russian television are actually Russian speaking Israelis (i.e. people who grow up in Israel, not Russia), as the Russian television imports a lot of their staff from Israel.
While if you watch television in Russia, for last twenty years the news about the Middle East is reported by Sergey Pashkov, who is very romantical about Israel, also has Israeli wife and children. America is a modern capitalist country, although it one of the relatively more illiberal or failing democracies of the Western countries. Things like business skills are widely distributed in the country.
There isn't a situation where there is a king, a small group of security people working with him managing most of the government, circles like people with WASP roots who understand about business.
Interests of the businessmen are more important in America, compared to postsoviet countries. On the other hand, the access of the business is more meritocratic and distributed across the population. For example, for a city of Ekaterinburg, if you look in the Jewish events there are most of the owners of the city. It's also a lot more privatized than many Western countries, so not just the industries, also the airport is privately owned. This is just one of hundreds of the cities in the postsoviet space.
On the other hand, the decision of the government can be the opposite of 90% of the business owners in Russia, which wouldn't be possible in bourgeois capitalist societies.
This is like a normal society from earlier centuries, where politics is not determined by business. Business was viewed by the government like one of the area, similar to electricity or healthcare.
If the country was a modern liberal democracy, the security people would be less prioritized relative to the business people. But the business people wouldn't necessarily prioritze relative to things like public health. Also the business people would be more distributed to the wider population, would be less feudal, more transparent.
Apparently the claim was made by Foreign Affairs:
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/
In any case, here is what Cathy Young, who is very pro-Ukraine, says about this:
https://www.thebulwark.com/no-the-united-states-and-its-allies-did-not-blow-up-a-ukraine-russia-peace-deal/
https://global100.adl.org/map/oceania
Canada is the last, America and UK tied. These are people who really like Jews. American Jews also criticize Israel, while strongly supporting its right to exist.
Interesting that I can't quickly find a survey about various countries concerning Israel. WASPS are still in charge in the USA.
As I said, several individual Jews have a lot of wealth and power in the post-Soviet space.
But overall, the Anglo world loves Jews more, is friendlier to and supports Israel more, and has provided a much better home to more Jews than any other place in the world.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
Other than Israel itself? Or would life in the Anglosphere still be better than life in Israel even for Jews due to the Anglosphere’s greater wealth and safety/security? (Obviously life in the Anglosphere is better for those who are considered insufficiently Jewish by right-wing Israelis, such as myself and my own family. Hence why we left Israel and moved to the Anglosphere (US) in March 2001.)
Still quite interesting that the Anglo world used to be more anti-Semitic. It shut its doors to most Jewish immigrants in the 1920s and 1930s, up to the point of sometimes even refusing to accept Jewish refugees who badly needed refuge, such as those on the SS St. Louis, which both the US and Canada refused to accept (but *some* of which Britain subsequently accepted). And it used to have Jewish quotas in university admissions in the early 20th century just like Intermarium had.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/k0j2tz/i_am_male_and_w
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonBinary/comments/9f5uet/i_wamt_to_be_a_man_w
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xj40zy/i_am_amab_but_iReplies: @Mikel
AK: please tell poor Mr. XYZ what you think about men turning part of their anuses into vaginas. He clearly wants to have a vagina but needs some validation from an elite human front-runner before going ahead.
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1670928990146633728
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1670932741003567104Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7We4CmUK3M&ab_channel=AntonFomenkoReplies: @QCIC
This shows that either you are incapable of learning and can only regurgitate what the Russian liars tell you, or that you are deliberately lying.
In order to believe this lie, you must believe the lie that people in Ukraine are not free to choose their government (including being free to overthrow it). Just to be clear - Russia "defended itself" against something that did not cross the Russian border.
Like America "defended itself" against Iraq. Or Germany "defended itself" against Poland.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Wokechoke, @QCIC
Yep, absolutely correct! The argument is that if Yanukovych did not respect the Ukrainian Constitution, why should the Ukrainian opposition have respected the Ukrainian Constitution *for as long as Yanukovych would have remained in power*?
The issue that I see with the February 2014 deal in regards to Ukraine is that it had apparently called for the Maidan to be emptied:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_settlement_of_political_crisis_in_Ukraine#:~:text=The%20Agreement%20on%20the%20Settlement,the%20European%20Union%20and%20Russia.
“Viktor Yanukovych: “the Opposition and radical forces, which were submitted on the Maidan, and not only on the Maidan, but also in other regions, they had to disarm, vacate all the occupied territories. But it was not implemented. And, as a result, Kyiv was overrun by armed men who began to smash homes, religious institutions, temples, began to make suffer completely innocent people. People just on the streets robbed and beaten. And it continues today. So the agreement for us, of course, gave some hope. But with everything that happened next, it’s difficult to call any epithets”.[7]”
If my analysis of this is correct, then such a move would have obviously been too risky for the Ukrainian opposition. What if they agree to empty the Maidan and disarm, and Yanukovych subsequently breaks the deal, rigs the next election, and fills the Maidan with his security services (whom he would have purged of disloyal elements in the meantime) so that the Maidan could not once again be filled up with protesters? In other words, adopt a strategy similar to Lukashenko’s in Belarus in 2020? Maybe Yanukovych was too incompetent to pull all of this off, but still, the Ukrainian opposition didn’t want to take any chances.
It does seem reasonable that if the Maidan did not have to be emptied, then maybe Yanukovych should have been given a chance to exit peacefully in spite of his previous bad behavior. One last chance, so to speak. But that wasn’t the actual deal, IIRC.
Yep, if countries’ security concerns automatically deserve deference, then the same logic could apply to the examples above. The US was worried that Iraq was developing nukes and WMDs, or so it said. Germany was worried about having an Anglo-French proxy on its doorstep and, later on, a powerful Communist state on its doorstep. Russia was worried about the West placing (nuclear?) missiles in Ukraine even though the West made it crystal-clear to Russia that it had no plans to do this and in any case the West was already perfectly capable of using the Baltics for this purpose (had the West ever actually had the desire to do this, which it had not so far over the last 19 years since the Baltics became NATO members) and thus didn’t actually need Ukraine for this.
This was part of a process which goes back to the fall of the USSR and continued with the USA dropping out of the ABM Treaty. There were a great many other aggressive and provocative moves made by the West over that time against Russia.
I don't think you or any others here have given any justification for these moves against Russia. When Russia eventually decided to defend herself and respond, the shit hits the fan and all you can say is "Russia did it." There was a lot of build up to 2014 and even more to 2022.
Zelensky is completely fake, just another pawn. He does what Kolomoisky and Co. tell him to do.Replies: @AP, @John Johnson
People like Nuland and John McCain were not celebrating democracy in Ukraine. They were celebrating the success of an anti-Russia coup by the West.
McCain is dead and I really don’t care what Nuland thinks any more than a hobo.
You do realize that Yanukovych’s former mansion is now a museum to government corruption? He swindled so much from Russian bribes that they decided to make his corruption a public display.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence
This was supposed to be the home of someone on a modest government salary:
The lights alone cost more than his annual pay.
Do explain exactly how removing a corrupt president is a coup, especially when his own pro-Russian party disavowed him as a criminal.
This is where Rushi Sunak gets to live. No one elected his Hindu pee-stained hide to be prime minister. Yet he lives there when not in London.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers#/media/File:Chequers_(cropped).jpgReplies: @John Johnson, @QCIC
Do not focus on the technicality of 'What is a Coup?' Instead look at the big picture of post-Judiac apostate Zelensky's behaviour:
• Turned on Judeo-Christian values
• Intentionally offended Palestinian Jews, and
• *Most importantly* sends Christian youths to die for the Islamophile European Empire
PEACE 😇Replies: @Wokechoke
This shows that either you are incapable of learning and can only regurgitate what the Russian liars tell you, or that you are deliberately lying.
In order to believe this lie, you must believe the lie that people in Ukraine are not free to choose their government (including being free to overthrow it). Just to be clear - Russia "defended itself" against something that did not cross the Russian border.
Like America "defended itself" against Iraq. Or Germany "defended itself" against Poland.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Wokechoke, @QCIC
Based on my experience, the overwhelming majority of Russia backers would be extremely sympathetic with this point
Yes, an actor. Put him on the Pompeo blood sucking diet and Zhenya will be able to go where ever he wants. He can hang out with Zelensky after the people in Kiev ride him out of town on a rail.
This shows that either you are incapable of learning and can only regurgitate what the Russian liars tell you, or that you are deliberately lying.
In order to believe this lie, you must believe the lie that people in Ukraine are not free to choose their government (including being free to overthrow it). Just to be clear - Russia "defended itself" against something that did not cross the Russian border.
Like America "defended itself" against Iraq. Or Germany "defended itself" against Poland.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Wokechoke, @QCIC
There’s an argument that Poland was ethnically cleansing Germans. It’s a valid argument.
Not good, but not an excuse to invade and kill millions, but you disagree.
Is it because you are Jewish? Interwar Poland identified Nazism as a Judaic ideology, this would explain your Nazism.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ
The issue that I see with the February 2014 deal in regards to Ukraine is that it had apparently called for the Maidan to be emptied:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_settlement_of_political_crisis_in_Ukraine#:~:text=The%20Agreement%20on%20the%20Settlement,the%20European%20Union%20and%20Russia.
"Viktor Yanukovych: "the Opposition and radical forces, which were submitted on the Maidan, and not only on the Maidan, but also in other regions, they had to disarm, vacate all the occupied territories. But it was not implemented. And, as a result, Kyiv was overrun by armed men who began to smash homes, religious institutions, temples, began to make suffer completely innocent people. People just on the streets robbed and beaten. And it continues today. So the agreement for us, of course, gave some hope. But with everything that happened next, it's difficult to call any epithets".[7]"
If my analysis of this is correct, then such a move would have obviously been too risky for the Ukrainian opposition. What if they agree to empty the Maidan and disarm, and Yanukovych subsequently breaks the deal, rigs the next election, and fills the Maidan with his security services (whom he would have purged of disloyal elements in the meantime) so that the Maidan could not once again be filled up with protesters? In other words, adopt a strategy similar to Lukashenko's in Belarus in 2020? Maybe Yanukovych was too incompetent to pull all of this off, but still, the Ukrainian opposition didn't want to take any chances.
It does seem reasonable that if the Maidan did not have to be emptied, then maybe Yanukovych should have been given a chance to exit peacefully in spite of his previous bad behavior. One last chance, so to speak. But that wasn't the actual deal, IIRC. Yep, if countries' security concerns automatically deserve deference, then the same logic could apply to the examples above. The US was worried that Iraq was developing nukes and WMDs, or so it said. Germany was worried about having an Anglo-French proxy on its doorstep and, later on, a powerful Communist state on its doorstep. Russia was worried about the West placing (nuclear?) missiles in Ukraine even though the West made it crystal-clear to Russia that it had no plans to do this and in any case the West was already perfectly capable of using the Baltics for this purpose (had the West ever actually had the desire to do this, which it had not so far over the last 19 years since the Baltics became NATO members) and thus didn't actually need Ukraine for this.Replies: @John Johnson
Germany was worried about having an Anglo-French proxy on its doorstep
I don’t think that was ever the case.
Hitler was following the will of the Germans in regard to Poland.
Its existence was an insult and reminder that they lost WW1. Germans derisively called it a “saison state” or state for a season. They were debating how to carve it up in the early 1930s. Germans viewed Poles as their natural subjects and the pesky Allies ruined the fun. Hitler even said in his book that they needed to take land “From the East” for lebensraum so it was only a question of where exactly. Poland was a poor choice but Hitler couldn’t resist the revenge factor.
Everyone knew that Germany could overpower Poland. The question was how Poland would try to align itself for protection.
The Poles had a lousy president that didn’t take proper defensive measures. The fact that they were so short on anti-tank guns was inexcusable. He also had no intent on copying the 2A or even making sure enough rifles were available to men that wanted one. In the Warsaw Uprising they used mostly stolen German guns. Pathetic.
It was also pretty amazing that the Ribbentrop-Mołotow was kept a secret. It completely destroyed the Polish plan to move East and wait for British or French assistance. The lesson was to have your own defensive plan ready and make invading a risky gamble for the invader. The Poles fought bravely but they were poorly prepared and outmatched by German tactics. Some of the Polish battles are really sad because they would have brave men trying to use weapons from the 1920s. They would be in close quarters battles with bolt actions while the Germans had submachine guns. Then they would have to surrender after running out of ammo. Awful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
"Hitler accused the government of Czechoslovakia of being a client regime of France, claiming that the French Minister of Aviation Pierre Cot had said, "We need this state as a base from which to drop bombs with greater ease to destroy Germany's economy and its industry."[29]"
There's also a Nazi propaganda map of this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/sxlv2r/a_small_state_threatening_germany_how_nazi/
So, it's not unreasonable to believe that the Nazis had similar worries in regards to Poland. I have read (from Ian Kershaw and other sources) that apparently Britain's guarantees to Poland in early 1939 especially pissed off Hitler.
To what extent the Nazis believed in their own propaganda in regards to this, I'm not 100% sure, but they were true believers in their own propaganda about the Jews, hence the Holocaust, so I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they believed their own propaganda in regards to this as well. AFAIK, Hitler was quite willing to have Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union akin to Hungary or Slovakia, but the Poles refused to play ball with him and instead turned to the Anglo-French for help, thus drawing Hitler's severe ire. Germans were primarily interested in getting Danzig and the Polish Corridor back. The other parts of Poland didn't really interest them. Even Hitler's pre-war ultimatum to Poland did not include a demand for territorial revisions in Posen or Upper Silesia, for instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Poland
Hitler did want Lebensraum but according to Mein Kampf, he at least mostly wanted it out of the Soviet Union's expense. He argued that the Soviet Union/Russia has lost its right to exist as an independent state after it was successfully taken over by "Jewish Bolsheviks". Hitler doesn't speak all too badly about Poles in his two books, other than him arguing that Germanizing Poles is a fool's errand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
From Hitler's Second Book (1928):
"The National Socialist Movement, on the contrary, will always let its foreign policy be determined by the necessity to secure the space necessary to the life of our Folk. It knows no Germanising or Teutonising, as in the case of the national bourgeoisie, but only the spread of its own Folk. It will never see in the subjugated, so called Germanised, Czechs or Poles a national, let alone Folkish, strengthening, but only the racial weakening of our Folk.[46]"
Also:
"The völkisch State, conversely, must under no conditions annex Poles with the intention of wanting to make Germans out of them some day. On the contrary, it must muster the determination either to seal off these alien racial elements, so that the blood of its own Folk will not be corrupted again, or it must, without further ado, remove them and hand over the vacated territory to its own National Comrades.[47]" Arguably from a harm reduction perspective the smart thing for the Anglo-French to do would have been to agree to a Soviet alliance to protect Poland at almost any cost. The Soviets want the Baltics and/or Finland? Then let them have them! It's more important to stop Hitler from conquering Poland, after all. Immoral in a narrow sense but moral in a broad sense.
Without hindsight, the Anglo-French could have also refrained from giving Poland and other countries guarantees and instead resolved to aggressively fund anti-Nazi insurgencies in those countries, but that simply would have likely resulted in the Nazis subsequently engaging in mass murder in these countries in order to stop these insurgencies, thus resulting in a humanitarian tragedy that would compel the Anglo-French to militarily intervene anyway. Though with the Nazi army being busier in the East relative to real life, maybe France wouldn't have fallen to the Nazis.Replies: @John Johnson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_ResidenceThis was supposed to be the home of someone on a modest government salary:
https://d3hne3c382ip58.cloudfront.net/resized/750x420/private-tour-to-the-mezhyhirya-residence-tour-2-20733_0.JPGThe lights alone cost more than his annual pay. Do explain exactly how removing a corrupt president is a coup, especially when his own pro-Russian party disavowed him as a criminal.Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers
It’s a perk of the job surely? It looks like an old or somewhat old palace or abbey that might have been occupied by A Jew like Kaganovich during the early soviet era.
Houses like that are state properties surely? So what did happen? Was it sold from the state to the boss via privatisation?
This is where Rushi Sunak gets to live. No one elected his Hindu pee-stained hide to be prime minister. Yet he lives there when not in London.
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/yanukovych-luxury-residence-and-money-trail-that-leads-to-london/He was caught taking tens of millions from Russia. His own pro-Russia party disavowed him as a corrupt criminal and murderer. Still no explanation from a Putin defender on how removing him is a coup. Presidents have to follow rules and can be removed if they break them. That is part of democracy. Outdoor view of the mansion and property of a government servant on a $2000 a month salary:https://cdn2.opendemocracy.net/media/images/20186_eg4hxC1.width-800.jpgEventually it will come out that Putin also did not pay for his $1.3 billion mansion with his salary.
https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/01/COMP-KS-PUTIN.jpg?w=620Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ
Ukraine is a pawn in a Superpower battle. The West has committed a stream of highly provocative acts against Russia for twenty to thirty years. All the stuff you write about is low grade melodrama for housewives and teenage girls. Wake up and join the big league, we are talking about nuclear war. The West is risking nuclear war to pressure Russia to collapse. They manipulated Ukraine to cause a civil war almost directly on the Russian border.Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_ResidenceThis was supposed to be the home of someone on a modest government salary:
https://d3hne3c382ip58.cloudfront.net/resized/750x420/private-tour-to-the-mezhyhirya-residence-tour-2-20733_0.JPGThe lights alone cost more than his annual pay. Do explain exactly how removing a corrupt president is a coup, especially when his own pro-Russian party disavowed him as a criminal.Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123
Zelensky did not fulfill his election promises to cut a deal with Putin. He did a 180° and intentionally created a war that is killing Christian youths on both sides. It is intolerable because he serves Merkel (then Scholz) instead of caring for the needs of Ukrainian Christians.
Do not focus on the technicality of ‘What is a Coup?’ Instead look at the big picture of post-Judiac apostate Zelensky’s behaviour:
• Turned on Judeo-Christian values
• Intentionally offended Palestinian Jews, and
• *Most importantly* sends Christian youths to die for the Islamophile European Empire
PEACE 😇
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Secretary_of_the_Communist_Party_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
Before him Felix Coen…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliks_Kon
Also Erich Koch the Reichscommissar!
What a house.
Are you arguing against privatisation now?Replies: @A123
The Poles were heavily armed by France and the US. They were occupying a big section of Belorussia too.
This is where Rushi Sunak gets to live. No one elected his Hindu pee-stained hide to be prime minister. Yet he lives there when not in London.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers#/media/File:Chequers_(cropped).jpgReplies: @John Johnson, @QCIC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers
It’s a perk of the job surely?
No it is not state provided perk or benefit.
He made around $2000 a month and each door of his mansion cost $64,000.
The wood paneling for the stairs cost $200,000.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/yanukovych-luxury-residence-and-money-trail-that-leads-to-london/
He was caught taking tens of millions from Russia.
His own pro-Russia party disavowed him as a corrupt criminal and murderer.
Still no explanation from a Putin defender on how removing him is a coup.
Presidents have to follow rules and can be removed if they break them. That is part of democracy.
Outdoor view of the mansion and property of a government servant on a $2000 a month salary:


Eventually it will come out that Putin also did not pay for his $1.3 billion mansion with his salary.
This shows that either you are incapable of learning and can only regurgitate what the Russian liars tell you, or that you are deliberately lying.
In order to believe this lie, you must believe the lie that people in Ukraine are not free to choose their government (including being free to overthrow it). Just to be clear - Russia "defended itself" against something that did not cross the Russian border.
Like America "defended itself" against Iraq. Or Germany "defended itself" against Poland.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Wokechoke, @QCIC
Western authors, including some who are sympathetic to Ukraine and leery of Russia consider the changes in Ukraine to be the result of a Western coup. I understand that you have a view which sees it as an organic public mandate while apparently ignoring critical post-Cold War history between Russia and the West.
I don’t have the luxury of your tunnel vision. I see this war as going back directly to 2003 (even earlier) with the USA leaving the ABM nuclear weapons treaty. These and other Western steps are a foundation which led to the current fighting. In this perspective, Ukraine is simply a pawn of the West to be used up at Russia’s expense.
https://gdb.rferl.org/D545C2EC-AAF7-413C-AF2C-E10DD84C090F_w1200_r1.jpgReplies: @QCIC
Just use a dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup
1. a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics and especially the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group : COUP D'ÉTAT
In its first few hours, the coup seemed a terrifying confirmation of the power of the military, the police and, especially, the KGB
::::::;:
Prigozhin attempted a coup. There was an attempted coup in Turkey. If some generals had overthrown Yanukovich it would have been a coup.
Instead he was overthrown in a popular uprising in half the country.
Leftists have a disgusting habit of warping the meaning of words to serve their ideological purposes. They do that with words such as racism or supremacy. A form of lying. Here you do the same, to support your warmongering. Your tunnel vision leads you to see everything in terms of your hatred of your own country’s ambitions. So Ukrainian efforts to maintain their own independence from Russia are perceived by you as some American plot.
It’s like a fanatic anti-Frenchman Anglophile insisting that the American Revolution was an action by French pawns being used as part of an anti-British French plot. “This war goes back decades…”Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC
Hitler did quite openly say during the Czechoslovak crisis that he feared Czechoslovakia would be used as a base by French planes to bomb Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
“Hitler accused the government of Czechoslovakia of being a client regime of France, claiming that the French Minister of Aviation Pierre Cot had said, “We need this state as a base from which to drop bombs with greater ease to destroy Germany’s economy and its industry.”[29]”
There’s also a Nazi propaganda map of this:
So, it’s not unreasonable to believe that the Nazis had similar worries in regards to Poland. I have read (from Ian Kershaw and other sources) that apparently Britain’s guarantees to Poland in early 1939 especially pissed off Hitler.
To what extent the Nazis believed in their own propaganda in regards to this, I’m not 100% sure, but they were true believers in their own propaganda about the Jews, hence the Holocaust, so I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if they believed their own propaganda in regards to this as well.
AFAIK, Hitler was quite willing to have Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union akin to Hungary or Slovakia, but the Poles refused to play ball with him and instead turned to the Anglo-French for help, thus drawing Hitler’s severe ire. Germans were primarily interested in getting Danzig and the Polish Corridor back. The other parts of Poland didn’t really interest them. Even Hitler’s pre-war ultimatum to Poland did not include a demand for territorial revisions in Posen or Upper Silesia, for instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Poland
Hitler did want Lebensraum but according to Mein Kampf, he at least mostly wanted it out of the Soviet Union’s expense. He argued that the Soviet Union/Russia has lost its right to exist as an independent state after it was successfully taken over by “Jewish Bolsheviks”. Hitler doesn’t speak all too badly about Poles in his two books, other than him arguing that Germanizing Poles is a fool’s errand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
From Hitler’s Second Book (1928):
“The National Socialist Movement, on the contrary, will always let its foreign policy be determined by the necessity to secure the space necessary to the life of our Folk. It knows no Germanising or Teutonising, as in the case of the national bourgeoisie, but only the spread of its own Folk. It will never see in the subjugated, so called Germanised, Czechs or Poles a national, let alone Folkish, strengthening, but only the racial weakening of our Folk.[46]”
Also:
“The völkisch State, conversely, must under no conditions annex Poles with the intention of wanting to make Germans out of them some day. On the contrary, it must muster the determination either to seal off these alien racial elements, so that the blood of its own Folk will not be corrupted again, or it must, without further ado, remove them and hand over the vacated territory to its own National Comrades.[47]”
Arguably from a harm reduction perspective the smart thing for the Anglo-French to do would have been to agree to a Soviet alliance to protect Poland at almost any cost. The Soviets want the Baltics and/or Finland? Then let them have them! It’s more important to stop Hitler from conquering Poland, after all. Immoral in a narrow sense but moral in a broad sense.
Without hindsight, the Anglo-French could have also refrained from giving Poland and other countries guarantees and instead resolved to aggressively fund anti-Nazi insurgencies in those countries, but that simply would have likely resulted in the Nazis subsequently engaging in mass murder in these countries in order to stop these insurgencies, thus resulting in a humanitarian tragedy that would compel the Anglo-French to militarily intervene anyway. Though with the Nazi army being busier in the East relative to real life, maybe France wouldn’t have fallen to the Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_KnivesGermany was never under threat by France. They didn't want a war as they had lost so many men from the previous one. Hitler was one of many German WW1 vets that believed they were betrayed by politicians and Jews. Germans were viewed as the losers of WW1 even if there technically had been an armistice. In fact he was unique in that he saw a lot of trench combat and still viewed world war as the best solution to Germany's problems. His generals wanted cautious attacks against non-aligned countries which would have been wiser. Leave Poland alone and don't risk dragging in Britain. However after taking France he viewed himself as a war god and wouldn't listen to them. AFAIK, Hitler was quite willing to have Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union akin to Hungary or Slovakia, but the Poles refused to play ball with him and instead turned to the Anglo-French for help, thus drawing Hitler’s severe ire. That is a false narrative from Hitler supporting revisionists. He never made an offer where they would retain full autonomy. His anti-Communist offer involved them becoming a vassal state. His last ultimatum to Poland was never actually rejected. He sent the ultimatum to Poland after it was planned to not only invade Poland but destroy the state and Polish identity. The decision had been made much earlier to split the state with the Communists. Hitler's anti-Communism was never as strong as his desire to get revenge over WW1. He had Polish anti-Communists marched off to be shot as part of intellizaktion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntelligenzaktionIn fact his alliance with Stalin to split Poland caused confusion among Nazis supporters as they believed his purpose was to protect Europe from Communism. The anti-Communist planned on destroying Poland and sending Aryan looking Polish children to German families. So a mass murderer and kidnapper who makes deals with Stalin. What a guy. Practically everything involving Poland was a feint in public. Hitler was just plain full of shit and more like a Ghengis Khan who wanted to ruthlessly crush his enemies. This is the guy that planned on starving millions of Slavs to death. You're not saving people from Communism if you kill and starve them.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
I don't have the luxury of your tunnel vision. I see this war as going back directly to 2003 (even earlier) with the USA leaving the ABM nuclear weapons treaty. These and other Western steps are a foundation which led to the current fighting. In this perspective, Ukraine is simply a pawn of the West to be used up at Russia's expense.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP
Do coups have huge popular backing behind them ahead of time like the Maidan had?
Serious question.
Jared Kushner is young, seemingly gregarious, is modern Jewish Orthodox, a family friend of Netanyahu, a past registered Democrat, Independent, and now, a Republican, and was instrumental in regards to putting together the Abraham Accords and the US-Mexico-Canada agreement.
Kushner, therefore, seems to be someone who could potentially be all things to all people.
Do you see him as someone the Jewish people could possibly follow as the Moshiach? [Naturally, only answer if you feel like doing so.]
ttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Mexico–Canada_AgreementReplies: @Greasy William
Hell no. The Messiah will be devout, which Jared certainly is not.
Which I strongly opposed. And if Jared wasn’t such a theological ignoramus he would never attempted to make peace with Ishmael.
Mashiach is not going to be popular. At least not at first.
Redemption timeline:
1. Jews get regathered to Israel (already happened; Israel has had the majority of the world’s Jewish population since around 2010)
2. Mashiach ben Yoseph takes power in Israel, eradicating the Palestinian national movement and finally delivering security to Israel for the first time since its rebirth
3. The security is short lived, however, as Russia/Iran then move against Israel (unclear if this is part of a larger war against the West or if Israel is actually the main focus). This coalition has at least the tacit support of the entire Arab/Islamic world in addition to the direct support of Lebanon, Syria, Turke, Libya (possibly) and South Africa. It’s unclear if China will be directly involved or not. Personally I think the Chinese will sit this one out.
4. During the course of the fighting, Mashiach ben Yoseph is killed. The Russian coalition then conquers Israel (presumably the Russians do the bulk of the fighting as the Iranians are too primitive, cowardly and stupid to successfully defeat the Jews, or any other nation really, in battle)
5. Russia sets up an occupation government
6. The Russian occupation government, likely at the urging of their completely retarded Iranian junior partner, proceed to show great cruelty to their new Jewish subjects. The goal being to drive all Jews out of the Land of Israel and restore the country to the Palestinians
7. The world gets rocked by devastating natural disasters/famines/plagues
8. Mashiach ben David appears and miraculously destroys Russia and Iran, leaving only a tiny fraction of their populations alive. It’s unclear if the other nations in the Russia/Iran coalition will also be annihilated
9. Global peace and prosperity for all (who didn’t get killed in all the wars/famines/plagues, at least; I can’t remember if the usual estimate is 1/3 of earth’s population dying or 2/3)
As for people saying my ideas are crazy, all I am saying is basic Judaism. I’m not saying anything that leading Torah scholars all over the world haven’t been saying for hundreds of years.
Now in fairness, Judaism doesn’t take prophecy very seriously. It certainly doesn’t appear like most religious Jews are anticipating all the above unfolding anytime soon. And certainly it’s difficult to imagine a situation where a coalition that includes the Iranians having success at anything, let alone defeating an economically developed nuclear power like modern Israel. So we’ll see. Hopefully everything can get resolved peacefully without anyone getting hurt. But when I look at the world today, I can’t say I’m optimistic.
Also, is the Messiah going to tell Israeli Jews to embrace bilinear descent when determining Jewish status and also to provide clear guidelines as to which conversions to Judaism are actually valid?
Also, what does the Messiah think about a black Hasidic gay rapper?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/looking-for-love/
BTW, I like the Simpsons episode where Homer gets a Messiah complex:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Story_Ever_D%27ohed
"Carolina Panthers? Messiah go 'Rawr!'" :D ;)
This is where Rushi Sunak gets to live. No one elected his Hindu pee-stained hide to be prime minister. Yet he lives there when not in London.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers#/media/File:Chequers_(cropped).jpgReplies: @John Johnson, @QCIC
These politicians are mostly crooks, I’ve said that. Same as here, same as Russia. In Ukraine, if the politician doesn’t play ball, the thugs show him what’s up. Nowadays, these are not ex-KGB thugs, but Jewish oligarch sponsored NeoNAZI thugs. So now they have an actor/comedian president funded by the same Jewish turkey who funded the paramilitary thugs. Sure, that sounds legit. Are you kidding me????
Ukraine is a pawn in a Superpower battle. The West has committed a stream of highly provocative acts against Russia for twenty to thirty years. All the stuff you write about is low grade melodrama for housewives and teenage girls. Wake up and join the big league, we are talking about nuclear war. The West is risking nuclear war to pressure Russia to collapse. They manipulated Ukraine to cause a civil war almost directly on the Russian border.
To be fair I don’t see an issue with expensive houses. Taste might be a problem but I’d guess the wife did most of the decorating.
Nuclear War? The next country that lobs a nuke will be the US. When its power slips.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
"Hitler accused the government of Czechoslovakia of being a client regime of France, claiming that the French Minister of Aviation Pierre Cot had said, "We need this state as a base from which to drop bombs with greater ease to destroy Germany's economy and its industry."[29]"
There's also a Nazi propaganda map of this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/sxlv2r/a_small_state_threatening_germany_how_nazi/
So, it's not unreasonable to believe that the Nazis had similar worries in regards to Poland. I have read (from Ian Kershaw and other sources) that apparently Britain's guarantees to Poland in early 1939 especially pissed off Hitler.
To what extent the Nazis believed in their own propaganda in regards to this, I'm not 100% sure, but they were true believers in their own propaganda about the Jews, hence the Holocaust, so I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they believed their own propaganda in regards to this as well. AFAIK, Hitler was quite willing to have Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union akin to Hungary or Slovakia, but the Poles refused to play ball with him and instead turned to the Anglo-French for help, thus drawing Hitler's severe ire. Germans were primarily interested in getting Danzig and the Polish Corridor back. The other parts of Poland didn't really interest them. Even Hitler's pre-war ultimatum to Poland did not include a demand for territorial revisions in Posen or Upper Silesia, for instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Poland
Hitler did want Lebensraum but according to Mein Kampf, he at least mostly wanted it out of the Soviet Union's expense. He argued that the Soviet Union/Russia has lost its right to exist as an independent state after it was successfully taken over by "Jewish Bolsheviks". Hitler doesn't speak all too badly about Poles in his two books, other than him arguing that Germanizing Poles is a fool's errand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
From Hitler's Second Book (1928):
"The National Socialist Movement, on the contrary, will always let its foreign policy be determined by the necessity to secure the space necessary to the life of our Folk. It knows no Germanising or Teutonising, as in the case of the national bourgeoisie, but only the spread of its own Folk. It will never see in the subjugated, so called Germanised, Czechs or Poles a national, let alone Folkish, strengthening, but only the racial weakening of our Folk.[46]"
Also:
"The völkisch State, conversely, must under no conditions annex Poles with the intention of wanting to make Germans out of them some day. On the contrary, it must muster the determination either to seal off these alien racial elements, so that the blood of its own Folk will not be corrupted again, or it must, without further ado, remove them and hand over the vacated territory to its own National Comrades.[47]" Arguably from a harm reduction perspective the smart thing for the Anglo-French to do would have been to agree to a Soviet alliance to protect Poland at almost any cost. The Soviets want the Baltics and/or Finland? Then let them have them! It's more important to stop Hitler from conquering Poland, after all. Immoral in a narrow sense but moral in a broad sense.
Without hindsight, the Anglo-French could have also refrained from giving Poland and other countries guarantees and instead resolved to aggressively fund anti-Nazi insurgencies in those countries, but that simply would have likely resulted in the Nazis subsequently engaging in mass murder in these countries in order to stop these insurgencies, thus resulting in a humanitarian tragedy that would compel the Anglo-French to militarily intervene anyway. Though with the Nazi army being busier in the East relative to real life, maybe France wouldn't have fallen to the Nazis.Replies: @John Johnson
Hitler did quite openly say during the Czechoslovak crisis that he feared Czechoslovakia would be used as a base by French planes to bomb Germany
Hitler lied all the time about perceived threats. He lied to his own party and had his own loyal men killed based on such lies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
Germany was never under threat by France. They didn’t want a war as they had lost so many men from the previous one.
Hitler was one of many German WW1 vets that believed they were betrayed by politicians and Jews. Germans were viewed as the losers of WW1 even if there technically had been an armistice. In fact he was unique in that he saw a lot of trench combat and still viewed world war as the best solution to Germany’s problems. His generals wanted cautious attacks against non-aligned countries which would have been wiser. Leave Poland alone and don’t risk dragging in Britain. However after taking France he viewed himself as a war god and wouldn’t listen to them.
AFAIK, Hitler was quite willing to have Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union akin to Hungary or Slovakia, but the Poles refused to play ball with him and instead turned to the Anglo-French for help, thus drawing Hitler’s severe ire.
That is a false narrative from Hitler supporting revisionists. He never made an offer where they would retain full autonomy. His anti-Communist offer involved them becoming a vassal state.
His last ultimatum to Poland was never actually rejected. He sent the ultimatum to Poland after it was planned to not only invade Poland but destroy the state and Polish identity.
The decision had been made much earlier to split the state with the Communists.
Hitler’s anti-Communism was never as strong as his desire to get revenge over WW1. He had Polish anti-Communists marched off to be shot as part of intellizaktion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion
In fact his alliance with Stalin to split Poland caused confusion among Nazis supporters as they believed his purpose was to protect Europe from Communism.
The anti-Communist planned on destroying Poland and sending Aryan looking Polish children to German families. So a mass murderer and kidnapper who makes deals with Stalin. What a guy.
Practically everything involving Poland was a feint in public. Hitler was just plain full of shit and more like a Ghengis Khan who wanted to ruthlessly crush his enemies. This is the guy that planned on starving millions of Slavs to death. You’re not saving people from Communism if you kill and starve them.
*In 1944, Hungary got directly occupied by the Nazis due to its attempt to make a separate peace with the Allies and thus to backstab Nazi Germany. That's when the Hungarian Holocaust started on a huge scale. Yeah, AFAIK, the Polish diplomat who received the Nazi ultimatum wasn't actually given the power (by the Polish government) to accept any proposals or ultimatums. Yep, the secret protocol of the M-R Pact. Putin actually planned a milder version of this in the event of a successful Russian conquest of Ukraine:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/18/russia-ukraine-arrest-assassination-invasion/
Thankfully he failed to conquer Ukraine or even Kiev or Kharkiv. I know about the Nazi kidnapping of Polish children. AFAIK, most of those children weren't returned to their families after the end of WWII, for various reasons. Only about 10-15% of them actually were returned. Very sad. :(
As for starving Slavs, Michael Mills argued on the Axis History Forum and/or Historum that the expelled Slavs would have had the choice of moving to Siberia, which he argues had the capacity to feed an additional several dozen million people. What do you think?
https://gdb.rferl.org/D545C2EC-AAF7-413C-AF2C-E10DD84C090F_w1200_r1.jpgReplies: @QCIC
I’m familiar with this. Getting people out in the streets doesn’t say much about what happened before. If in doubt, look up color revolution. Maidan was based on a different chapter from the same Imperial playbook. I don’t doubt there was a lot of organic nationalist political sentiment in Ukraine, I think Azerbaijan was similar. But that is not always the case. It also doesn’t change the fact that Ukraine is a pawn of the West. If anything it supports the notion that nationalist fever was fanned to promote actions which are not in the best interest of a typical Ukrainian, such as the civil war in Donbass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_KnivesGermany was never under threat by France. They didn't want a war as they had lost so many men from the previous one. Hitler was one of many German WW1 vets that believed they were betrayed by politicians and Jews. Germans were viewed as the losers of WW1 even if there technically had been an armistice. In fact he was unique in that he saw a lot of trench combat and still viewed world war as the best solution to Germany's problems. His generals wanted cautious attacks against non-aligned countries which would have been wiser. Leave Poland alone and don't risk dragging in Britain. However after taking France he viewed himself as a war god and wouldn't listen to them. AFAIK, Hitler was quite willing to have Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union akin to Hungary or Slovakia, but the Poles refused to play ball with him and instead turned to the Anglo-French for help, thus drawing Hitler’s severe ire. That is a false narrative from Hitler supporting revisionists. He never made an offer where they would retain full autonomy. His anti-Communist offer involved them becoming a vassal state. His last ultimatum to Poland was never actually rejected. He sent the ultimatum to Poland after it was planned to not only invade Poland but destroy the state and Polish identity. The decision had been made much earlier to split the state with the Communists. Hitler's anti-Communism was never as strong as his desire to get revenge over WW1. He had Polish anti-Communists marched off to be shot as part of intellizaktion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntelligenzaktionIn fact his alliance with Stalin to split Poland caused confusion among Nazis supporters as they believed his purpose was to protect Europe from Communism. The anti-Communist planned on destroying Poland and sending Aryan looking Polish children to German families. So a mass murderer and kidnapper who makes deals with Stalin. What a guy. Practically everything involving Poland was a feint in public. Hitler was just plain full of shit and more like a Ghengis Khan who wanted to ruthlessly crush his enemies. This is the guy that planned on starving millions of Slavs to death. You're not saving people from Communism if you kill and starve them.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
NATO doesn’t want a war with Russia in the 2020s either. But Russia still fears it.
Harder to rally the German people in favor of a war with Hungary or Romania, I would suspect. Even Weimar Germans strongly resented the Danzig and Polish Corridor situation and hoped for its eventual revision.
Being a Nazi vassal state might have still been better off for the Poles relative to real life. Pre-1944* Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria all likely fared better under Nazi vassalage than Poland did under direct Nazi occupation.
*In 1944, Hungary got directly occupied by the Nazis due to its attempt to make a separate peace with the Allies and thus to backstab Nazi Germany. That’s when the Hungarian Holocaust started on a huge scale.
Yeah, AFAIK, the Polish diplomat who received the Nazi ultimatum wasn’t actually given the power (by the Polish government) to accept any proposals or ultimatums.
Yep, the secret protocol of the M-R Pact.
Putin actually planned a milder version of this in the event of a successful Russian conquest of Ukraine:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/18/russia-ukraine-arrest-assassination-invasion/
Thankfully he failed to conquer Ukraine or even Kiev or Kharkiv.
I know about the Nazi kidnapping of Polish children. AFAIK, most of those children weren’t returned to their families after the end of WWII, for various reasons. Only about 10-15% of them actually were returned. Very sad. 🙁
As for starving Slavs, Michael Mills argued on the Axis History Forum and/or Historum that the expelled Slavs would have had the choice of moving to Siberia, which he argues had the capacity to feed an additional several dozen million people. What do you think?
Do not focus on the technicality of 'What is a Coup?' Instead look at the big picture of post-Judiac apostate Zelensky's behaviour:
• Turned on Judeo-Christian values
• Intentionally offended Palestinian Jews, and
• *Most importantly* sends Christian youths to die for the Islamophile European Empire
PEACE 😇Replies: @Wokechoke
One other thing, this big mansion appears to have been the residence of Lazar Kaganovich when he wasn’t in Kiev running Ukraine during the 1920s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Secretary_of_the_Communist_Party_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
Before him Felix Coen…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliks_Kon
Also Erich Koch the Reichscommissar!
What a house.
Are you arguing against privatisation now?
Why are you arguing for Zelensky's policies that resulted in death of Christian youths? Why do you hate Jesus Christ?
PEACE 😇
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Secretary_of_the_Communist_Party_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
Before him Felix Coen…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliks_Kon
Also Erich Koch the Reichscommissar!
What a house.
Are you arguing against privatisation now?Replies: @A123
Your pathetic strawman is an #EpicFAIL. I never argued for Ukrainian privatization.
Why are you arguing for Zelensky’s policies that resulted in death of Christian youths? Why do you hate Jesus Christ?
PEACE 😇
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1676708216938328065Replies: @Wokechoke, @S, @LatW
They released pics from his alleged mansion today. This included a stockpile of wigs (Prigozhin was a master of disguise?) and presumed passport photos, some of which didn’t look like like Prigozhin.
Makes me wonder if he had plastic surgery.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNjZiYjIxYzUtNWYzNi00MWE5LWFkZTQtM2Q1NmQ5OTY0NzExXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTI1Mzg0ODA5._V1_.jpg
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/yanukovych-luxury-residence-and-money-trail-that-leads-to-london/He was caught taking tens of millions from Russia. His own pro-Russia party disavowed him as a corrupt criminal and murderer. Still no explanation from a Putin defender on how removing him is a coup. Presidents have to follow rules and can be removed if they break them. That is part of democracy. Outdoor view of the mansion and property of a government servant on a $2000 a month salary:https://cdn2.opendemocracy.net/media/images/20186_eg4hxC1.width-800.jpgEventually it will come out that Putin also did not pay for his $1.3 billion mansion with his salary.
https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/01/COMP-KS-PUTIN.jpg?w=620Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ
Have you looked at the real estate portfolio of Blinken? The Kagans?
Ever been to Versailles?
Redemption timeline:
1. Jews get regathered to Israel (already happened; Israel has had the majority of the world's Jewish population since around 2010)
2. Mashiach ben Yoseph takes power in Israel, eradicating the Palestinian national movement and finally delivering security to Israel for the first time since its rebirth
3. The security is short lived, however, as Russia/Iran then move against Israel (unclear if this is part of a larger war against the West or if Israel is actually the main focus). This coalition has at least the tacit support of the entire Arab/Islamic world in addition to the direct support of Lebanon, Syria, Turke, Libya (possibly) and South Africa. It's unclear if China will be directly involved or not. Personally I think the Chinese will sit this one out.
4. During the course of the fighting, Mashiach ben Yoseph is killed. The Russian coalition then conquers Israel (presumably the Russians do the bulk of the fighting as the Iranians are too primitive, cowardly and stupid to successfully defeat the Jews, or any other nation really, in battle)
5. Russia sets up an occupation government
6. The Russian occupation government, likely at the urging of their completely retarded Iranian junior partner, proceed to show great cruelty to their new Jewish subjects. The goal being to drive all Jews out of the Land of Israel and restore the country to the Palestinians
7. The world gets rocked by devastating natural disasters/famines/plagues
8. Mashiach ben David appears and miraculously destroys Russia and Iran, leaving only a tiny fraction of their populations alive. It's unclear if the other nations in the Russia/Iran coalition will also be annihilated
9. Global peace and prosperity for all (who didn't get killed in all the wars/famines/plagues, at least; I can't remember if the usual estimate is 1/3 of earth's population dying or 2/3)
As for people saying my ideas are crazy, all I am saying is basic Judaism. I'm not saying anything that leading Torah scholars all over the world haven't been saying for hundreds of years.
Now in fairness, Judaism doesn't take prophecy very seriously. It certainly doesn't appear like most religious Jews are anticipating all the above unfolding anytime soon. And certainly it's difficult to imagine a situation where a coalition that includes the Iranians having success at anything, let alone defeating an economically developed nuclear power like modern Israel. So we'll see. Hopefully everything can get resolved peacefully without anyone getting hurt. But when I look at the world today, I can't say I'm optimistic.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @S
How does Iran getting a nuclear weapon fits into the Messiah idea? Maybe religious Israeli Jews should ironically welcome this development if it will accelerate the coming of the Messiah?
Also, is the Messiah going to tell Israeli Jews to embrace bilinear descent when determining Jewish status and also to provide clear guidelines as to which conversions to Judaism are actually valid?
Also, what does the Messiah think about a black Hasidic gay rapper?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/looking-for-love/
BTW, I like the Simpsons episode where Homer gets a Messiah complex:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Story_Ever_D%27ohed
“Carolina Panthers? Messiah go ‘Rawr!’” 😀 😉
Ukraine is a pawn in a Superpower battle. The West has committed a stream of highly provocative acts against Russia for twenty to thirty years. All the stuff you write about is low grade melodrama for housewives and teenage girls. Wake up and join the big league, we are talking about nuclear war. The West is risking nuclear war to pressure Russia to collapse. They manipulated Ukraine to cause a civil war almost directly on the Russian border.Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke
The previous reply was for JJ.
Makes me wonder if he had plastic surgery.
https://api.theins.ru/storage/content_block/image/16317/file-630d0b6672eee2d3fe072ad000c265ef.jpeg
https://api.theins.ru/storage/content_block/image/16313/file-0e536f88e1999bab58405360feb92904.pngReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death
He looks a bit like Casper the Ghost:
Ukraine is a pawn in a Superpower battle. The West has committed a stream of highly provocative acts against Russia for twenty to thirty years. All the stuff you write about is low grade melodrama for housewives and teenage girls. Wake up and join the big league, we are talking about nuclear war. The West is risking nuclear war to pressure Russia to collapse. They manipulated Ukraine to cause a civil war almost directly on the Russian border.Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke
It’s important to counter the crass manipulation.
To be fair I don’t see an issue with expensive houses. Taste might be a problem but I’d guess the wife did most of the decorating.
Nuclear War? The next country that lobs a nuke will be the US. When its power slips.
Redemption timeline:
1. Jews get regathered to Israel (already happened; Israel has had the majority of the world's Jewish population since around 2010)
2. Mashiach ben Yoseph takes power in Israel, eradicating the Palestinian national movement and finally delivering security to Israel for the first time since its rebirth
3. The security is short lived, however, as Russia/Iran then move against Israel (unclear if this is part of a larger war against the West or if Israel is actually the main focus). This coalition has at least the tacit support of the entire Arab/Islamic world in addition to the direct support of Lebanon, Syria, Turke, Libya (possibly) and South Africa. It's unclear if China will be directly involved or not. Personally I think the Chinese will sit this one out.
4. During the course of the fighting, Mashiach ben Yoseph is killed. The Russian coalition then conquers Israel (presumably the Russians do the bulk of the fighting as the Iranians are too primitive, cowardly and stupid to successfully defeat the Jews, or any other nation really, in battle)
5. Russia sets up an occupation government
6. The Russian occupation government, likely at the urging of their completely retarded Iranian junior partner, proceed to show great cruelty to their new Jewish subjects. The goal being to drive all Jews out of the Land of Israel and restore the country to the Palestinians
7. The world gets rocked by devastating natural disasters/famines/plagues
8. Mashiach ben David appears and miraculously destroys Russia and Iran, leaving only a tiny fraction of their populations alive. It's unclear if the other nations in the Russia/Iran coalition will also be annihilated
9. Global peace and prosperity for all (who didn't get killed in all the wars/famines/plagues, at least; I can't remember if the usual estimate is 1/3 of earth's population dying or 2/3)
As for people saying my ideas are crazy, all I am saying is basic Judaism. I'm not saying anything that leading Torah scholars all over the world haven't been saying for hundreds of years.
Now in fairness, Judaism doesn't take prophecy very seriously. It certainly doesn't appear like most religious Jews are anticipating all the above unfolding anytime soon. And certainly it's difficult to imagine a situation where a coalition that includes the Iranians having success at anything, let alone defeating an economically developed nuclear power like modern Israel. So we'll see. Hopefully everything can get resolved peacefully without anyone getting hurt. But when I look at the world today, I can't say I'm optimistic.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @S
Thanks for the response.
Mashiach ben Yoseph and Mashiach ben David?
Mashiach is something like an ‘office’ that more than one person has filled?
Right, Mashiach just means “annointed”. It doesn’t mean savior
Who is this Stephen Gardner fag who nods his head like a housewife when MacGregor gives his monthly doom prediction?
MacGregor on how the front line is about to collapse in favor of the Russians (4 months ago)
Someone at least tell Stephen how to hang a flag properly. And also to grow some balls and ask actual questions that challenge MacGregor instead of letting him ramble like a crazy drunk at a bar.
Does this look like a collapsing front?
Doesn’t appear so from the Russian side.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/request-filed-with-swedish-police-to-burn-torah-outside-israeli-embassy/
If the Left is so eager to burn American flags, then rightists (and leftists) should have the option of burning all religious books that are their own property just so long as these religious books are not historical landmarks (such as due to them being extremely ancient, in which case they should be legally protected from being damaged due to them being valuable historical artifacts). I wholeheartedly approve of this request to burn the Torah and the Christian Bible since it would be unfair for Sweden to only allow Korans to get burned. But I do support allowing Korans to get burned on free speech grounds as well, at least for so long as Leftists and Muslims are content to burn American and Western flags. I would personally never burn any book (including religious book) or flag, but I still think that people should have the right to do so.
I suppose that you could have Russia-loving leftists, but Yeah, consistent leftists oppose all imperialism, not just Western imperialism. This also means opposing *Russian* imperialism. Just because Ukrainians are white doesn’t mean that they deserve to be targets of predatory Russian imperialism. Ukrainians are no less deserving of freedom than, say, Algerians are.
BTW, what’s interesting is that AFAIK, in Turkey, elite human capital is actually more anti-immigration than the proles are since immigrants in Turkey are more likely to be right-leaning relative to the West due to immigrants in Turkey being likely to be more conservative than the native Turkish population is. Does this mean that Turks should follow their elite human capital and embrace anti-immigration sentiments against Syrian refugees?
In 2023, Turkish elite urban human capital along with its duller Kurds voted for Erdogan’s immigrant-bashing opponent:

Erdogan mostly won in rural Turkish areas. I don’t know if he won the smaller cities such as Konya, Kayseri, Trabzon, Sinope, et cetera. He might have.
Interestingly enough, I am personally more optimistic about Syrian refugees’ long-term assimilation prospects in Turkey since even though they are about half a standard deviation duller than Turks are, they are nevertheless the descendants of former longtime Ottoman subjects and thus Turks have a long history of ruling over them. Syrians and Turks are more culturally compatible with each other than, say, Syrians and Germans/Swedes are.
So they would oppose Russia and support Ukraine because at present that looks like the best way of advancing their vision. At the same time they could probably support an attack on a country if it was determined that it had been taken over by reactionary forces and false consciousness about the correct direction of Progress (i.e. Progress is always moving in the direction of their vision).
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/yanukovych-luxury-residence-and-money-trail-that-leads-to-london/He was caught taking tens of millions from Russia. His own pro-Russia party disavowed him as a corrupt criminal and murderer. Still no explanation from a Putin defender on how removing him is a coup. Presidents have to follow rules and can be removed if they break them. That is part of democracy. Outdoor view of the mansion and property of a government servant on a $2000 a month salary:https://cdn2.opendemocracy.net/media/images/20186_eg4hxC1.width-800.jpgEventually it will come out that Putin also did not pay for his $1.3 billion mansion with his salary.
https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/01/COMP-KS-PUTIN.jpg?w=620Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ
Worth noting that Yanukovych also seized control of Ukraine’s parliament in an illegal manner (no new elections; instead, some members of the opposition blocs in parliament switched sides even though the Ukrainian Constitution explicitly prohibits this and explicitly requires parties to vote as blocs because people vote for party lists rather than for individual party members) as well as control of Ukraine’s courts in a dubious manner (successfully pressuring several judges there to resign). So, this was a case of the Ukrainian people successfully removing a president (before his presidential term would have expired) who abused his power and subsequently putting the winners of a majority of the popular vote in the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary election into office. Hardly a coup. A “people’s power” revolution, definitely.
The Ruble is one of the worst performing currencies of the year
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-ruble-just-blew-comfort-005105070.html
This must be the multi-polar world that Putin’s fans have told us is coming. Part of the death of the dollar. Not quite yet I guess.
The world hates Putin for his needless war but he will somehow lead a new era through violence and his totalitarian empire. Oh and with China. Everyone loves a ruthless totalitarian factory state where they have to put screens on windows to keep workers from killing themselves. Where they locked people into their apartments for months to show that they could contain Covid. What a state.
Well buy up some Rubles if you think this is all 5D chess.
If you really believe Putin is playing a master game with the west then put your savings in Rubles.
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-ruble-just-blew-comfort-005105070.htmlThis must be the multi-polar world that Putin's fans have told us is coming. Part of the death of the dollar. Not quite yet I guess. The world hates Putin for his needless war but he will somehow lead a new era through violence and his totalitarian empire. Oh and with China. Everyone loves a ruthless totalitarian factory state where they have to put screens on windows to keep workers from killing themselves. Where they locked people into their apartments for months to show that they could contain Covid. What a state. Well buy up some Rubles if you think this is all 5D chess.If you really believe Putin is playing a master game with the west then put your savings in Rubles.Replies: @Greasy William
Russia and China are both basket cases, but even still the US may be too weak to defeat them
I'm asking because for the West/US to have NATO give up its open door policy, it would need pretty major concessions in return, such as those above. Now it would probably be too late, I suspect, but had Russia actually offered such terms back in December 2021, would the West have still rejected this offer? And would Russia have actually been willing to agree to such an offer had the West itself made it back then?Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Sean
Off-topic, but I was wondering: Do you think that Russia would have actually accepted a deal where the West would have accepted its December 2021 ultimatum (regardless of just how unfair the West might have considered it to be) in exchange for Russia withdrawing from the SCO, ending all military cooperation with China (and Belarus), and agreeing in writing to commit to waging a trade embargo against China if China will ever invade Taiwan (and to maintain this trade embargo against China for so long as the US/West will demand that it do so)?
I’m asking because for the West/US to have NATO give up its open door policy, it would need pretty major concessions in return, such as those above. Now it would probably be too late, I suspect, but had Russia actually offered such terms back in December 2021, would the West have still rejected this offer? And would Russia have actually been willing to agree to such an offer had the West itself made it back then?
I'm asking because for the West/US to have NATO give up its open door policy, it would need pretty major concessions in return, such as those above. Now it would probably be too late, I suspect, but had Russia actually offered such terms back in December 2021, would the West have still rejected this offer? And would Russia have actually been willing to agree to such an offer had the West itself made it back then?Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Sean
For that matter, dissolving the Russia-Belarus union state and permanently withdrawing all Russian troops from Belarus should have also been a part of any Western counter-demands to Russia. The Poles and Balts can perceive themselves to be threatened by Russia’s imperialism in Belarus, and it’s not like Lukashenko has any popular mandate anymore either after he rigged the 2020 election (now, that was an *actual* rigged 2020 election!).
I'm asking because for the West/US to have NATO give up its open door policy, it would need pretty major concessions in return, such as those above. Now it would probably be too late, I suspect, but had Russia actually offered such terms back in December 2021, would the West have still rejected this offer? And would Russia have actually been willing to agree to such an offer had the West itself made it back then?Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Sean
No. Putin wanted war and nothing would have appeased him
I think that’s true.
A rabbi writing in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1942 or 1943 said that the problem with Christian morality is that the Christians think that G-d stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac because killing Isaac would have been wrong; but actually it is reversed: killing Isaac would have been wrong because G-d stopped it.
Afaik, this is one of the issues distinguishing different tendencies in Christian theology. More Protestants adopt divine voluntarism and more Catholics and Orthodox divine rationalism.
Lviv had about 750,000 people, Galicia overall had about 5 million people.
They could not "lose several million." Says the guy who doesn't know basic math.
Even Transcarpathia has gained in population.
The city of Lviv has gained 150,000 people:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Hope-for-Ukrainian-victory-burns-strong-in-Lviv-one-year-on As usual, the reverse is true. Russian is increasingly the language of Ukrainian refugees in the West, because the Galicians have returned home:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/10/warsaw-mini-soviet-union-russian-poland-capital-exiles
"The majority of war refugees still in Poland are from eastern Ukraine, where Russian is the predominant language, and where the fighting is more intense, meaning many have nowhere safe to return."
This has led to some decline in sympathy for Ukrainian refugees - Poles don't like Russian-speakers as much. Soviets like you are obsessed with brothels. It's what you people do, and therefore where your mind is focused. Lviv's massive Austrian-era oblast capital was designed by a Ukrainian architect, Sylvester Havryshkevych:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_House,_Lviv
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylwestr_Hawryszkewycz NO, there were plenty of new construction all over Ukraine. Sovok laborer in NW England can't understand such things.
LeMonde:
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/04/lviv-city-of-refuge-for-ukrainian-companies-fleeing-the-war_5988919_4.html
Lviv has become a refuge for Ukrainian companies fleeing the war
"Many small businesses in the eastern part of the country, which is plagued by fighting, have chosen to relocate their business activities to the quieter western region.
Men in shorts and "Roomio" T-shirts work around large wood cutting and carving machines. The bright warehouse opens onto a parking lot in an industrial area surrounded by fields. It has been a little over two months since the Ukrainian company, specializing in the manufacture of designer furniture and originally based in Kharkiv, has relocated west, to the Lviv region."
These companies have seen that it is easier to export to the West from Lviv than from Kharkiv. We already know that you can't do math so who knows where you got your numbers from.
But Galicia is about 15% of Ukraine's population, so 24% of IT professionals would be over-representation.
The effects of war on Ukraine's IT industry:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-lviv-outsourcing-war-evolution-tech/32389587.html
Senior test engineer Dmytro Zazvonniy had worked at Sigma's Kharkiv office for seven years before coming to Lviv. Originally from Kramatorsk, a heavy industry hub in the Donbas, he'd gone to Kharkiv for university. His family followed him from their hometown when war broke out in the Donbas in 2014, so the outset of the full-scale invasion was, for him, laden with déjà vu.
The day of the invasion, he recalls waking up at 5 a.m. to light flooding into his apartment from windows that face the Russian border. "We realized everything quite quickly -- that it's just the same as it was in Kramatorsk," he said of the conversation in February 2022, when he and his brother decided to move everyone to Lviv.
Russia's full-scale invasion drew the world's eyes to many aspects of Ukrainian society. The massive and ultra-migratory IT industry that Ukraine had built up since the late '90s emerged as an unlikely hero, continuing to bring money into the country as bombings and blackouts roiled the country.
A lifeline to Western companies and their relatively massive budgets, IT outsourcing is a core financial artery linking Ukraine with the rest of the world. In 2022, those services accounted for $7.3 billion in exports -- recently surpassing metals and now behind only agriculture in terms of dollar amounts.
Overall exports dipped by 35 percent over the first year following the February 2022 invasion, while IT services rose. IT workers have proved much tougher for Russia to blockade than grain ships at port -- though the National Bank of Ukraine's latest data show a dip in the value of IT exports to just under $500 million per month following winter strikes on electrical infrastructure.
The industry and the tech talent that it produces have become a pillar of Ukraine's blueprints for economic recovery in a postwar world.
A Hitchhiker's Guide
These ambitions revolve around long-standing hubs, including Kyiv, Kharkiv and Odesa. However, no city has taken in more of the digital migrants than Lviv. Ukraine's seventh-largest city before the invasion, it has assumed the second spot, behind the much larger Kyiv, in most metrics of the tech industry.
A city where locals remind visitors that they were under the Hapsburgs and never the Romanovs, Lviv has been a haven from Russian influence and something of a wellspring of Ukrainian-language culture since the days of the tsars. The financial and cultural impact of the IT industry -- and its money -- are visible throughout the heart of Lviv, which resembles Vienna more than Moscow.
Tech giant offices and newfangled coworking facilities dot the city of 700,000, penetrating the rings of Soviet-built apartment blocks that still provide cheaper housing on the outskirts of the city.
By virtue of concentration, conditions approximating peace, and the traditional dominance of the Ukrainian language, Lviv is set up as an ideal test bed for the country's postwar ambitions.
Post-Soviet Poster Child
"Me and my friends were the first in this generation that started to work just as the Soviet Union collapsed and PC computers just started to be popular in Ukraine," Yaroslav Lyubinets said.
Lyubinets and his fellow postgrads at Lviv Polytechnic Institute started SoftServe in the mid-1990s, working with 10 people in a makeshift office crammed into a two-room apartment, guided by a General Electric executive who'd come to Lviv to teach the fundamentals of Western business.
Today, Lyubinets is chairman of the board and SoftServe is the biggest IT outsourcer in Lviv, employing some 11,000 people throughout Ukraine and internationally.
Founded by SoftServe and fellow outsourcers ELEKS and N-IX between 2009 and 2011, Lviv IT Cluster is a major nexus in the web of local firms, universities and politicians. ELEKS founder Oleksiy Skrypnyk, for example, would eventually leave the firm to become a member of Ukraine's parliament in 2014.
Lviv Polytechnic University and neighboring Ukrainian Catholic University are core educational links, providing a pipeline of students like those Lyubinets recruited in SoftServe's early years.
New tech firms join the universities congregated around Striyskiy Park in the south of the city.
"Lviv IT Cluster is the strongest [of its kind] in Ukraine by far. The most active one -- I mean, one that really does things," said Ivan Petrenko, who runs a local venture fund.
The problem, Petrenko says, is the cluster's enduring focus on outsourcing. It provides steady income but will not produce the next Grammarly or GitLab. The two Ukrainian-origin firms have become hometown heroes after "unicorning" -- getting investment valuing them at over $1 billion -- following moves to San Francisco.
"We always considered that we want to raise money outside, because for sure you can get more money if you're not a Ukrainian company. Especially if you are an American company," said Ross Khanas, a Lvivan who runs a team of seven writing software for managing coworking spaces. His firm, andcards, is one of the startlingly few in Lviv coding their own product, he says.
It's a widely acknowledged problem that remains the standard in Lviv, but it's one that many are trying to change.
"We are trying to evolve some and develop new projects and therefore, I think that we will be a hub and Silicon Valley for startups because until that period, we were just doing the work for somebody else." said Oleh Chuchman, who runs an outsourcing-staffing company called Ukrany.
New Money
More Lvivans are looking to channel investments into startups.
Petrenko, for example, runs Angel One Venture Fund, which launched in October with money from the Ukrainian Catholic University Fund aiming at early-stage startups, especially those connected to the university. The fund just made its first investment, to a $1 million seed round for Zeely, a mobile webpage-designer app.
A graduate of Lviv Polytechnic and a longtime ELEKS employee, Ivan Dmytrasevych is similarly trying to convert the IT world's money into proper local capital. While he runs UNameIT, an outsourcing company, he also built a coworking and startup accelerator facility in Lviv's north and manages Lviv Tech Angels, a fund that targets brand-new firms for which small investments make a big difference, but that are also relatively likely to go broke without paying any returns.
Lviv Tech Angels, however, has made no new investments since 2021, and is largely on hold. "Unfortunately, most [members] don't have plans to invest till the end of the year," Dmytrasevich wrote in a message.
SoftServe, Lyubinets said, was on the threshold of launching its own venture fund at the beginning of 2022. Similarly, the government's Ukrainian Startup Fund, which was a go-to source of seed investment for small firms, cut off almost all of its investments outside of military technology once Russia launched the invasion.
A physical manifestation of this freeze is Lviv Tech.City, a massive planned coworking campus in the same milieu as many of the universities and offices, looking out on Striyskiy Park. Only one building has opened, while the rest of construction remains frozen in time.
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According to the National Bank's most recent data, Lviv took in $2 billion in foreign direct investment in the last quarter of 2022, putting it third among Ukraine's cities, behind Kyiv and fossil-fuel-heavy Poltava.
The city is praying the situation is the countdown to a liftoff, despite the war and the global bear market in tech stocks. Fueling that prospective surge is more than a touch of defiance.
"Ukraine is booming, and will boom with you or without you, because we don't have another choice," Kozlova said.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Poles should get over it. Political affiliation matters much more than language.
The Ukrainian employees at the supermarket I go to speak russian among themselves but no one cares as long as they can answer customer questions in Polish when asked.
I was talking to a friend who was dreading having to use the main bus station in Warsaw which has felt like a russian speaking enclave since before the pandemic. It wasn't the Ukrainians that made him uncomfortable but the darker Caucasian types that have also been migrating to Poland in recent years.
I’m amazed at just how civilized Poland was right after the collapse of Communism:
An intentional homicide rate about two times less than that of the pre-BLM/pre-George Floyd US. Even Ukraine was roughly at US levels of homicides during this time. But Russia was through the roof, comparable to Latin America!
Thanks for previously sharing this chart with us, AP!
A rabbi writing in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1942 or 1943 said that the problem with Christian morality is that the Christians think that G-d stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac because killing Isaac would have been wrong; but actually it is reversed: killing Isaac would have been wrong because G-d stopped it.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool
Seems like Jewish morality is kind of fucked up by that logic, no?
Makes me wonder if he had plastic surgery.
https://api.theins.ru/storage/content_block/image/16317/file-630d0b6672eee2d3fe072ad000c265ef.jpeg
https://api.theins.ru/storage/content_block/image/16313/file-0e536f88e1999bab58405360feb92904.pngReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death
imho, it was the photo of his body double in the passport. Prigozhin had other passports with fake names, but real photos, so all this presumably was in order to make his tracking abroad more difficult together with various masquerading. After all, he was in official “most wanted” list by USA.
A rabbi writing in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1942 or 1943 said that the problem with Christian morality is that the Christians think that G-d stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac because killing Isaac would have been wrong; but actually it is reversed: killing Isaac would have been wrong because G-d stopped it.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool
That sounds like the divine voluntarism vs divine intellectualism discussion; God has a perfect will but also has a perfect intellect, so how does it work out?
Afaik, this is one of the issues distinguishing different tendencies in Christian theology. More Protestants adopt divine voluntarism and more Catholics and Orthodox divine rationalism.
A rabbi writing in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1942 or 1943 said that the problem with Christian morality is that the Christians think that G-d stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac because killing Isaac would have been wrong; but actually it is reversed: killing Isaac would have been wrong because G-d stopped it.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool
Therefore G-d does as He sees fit and we cannot presuppose His moral alignment, if we could presume of any alignment at all. For example, we should not believe that G-d will do something that we consider ethically sound, just because the majority of people would agree that it would be the most ethical course of action. G-d is basically unpredictable from the ethics’ point of view. Correct?
It's not a particularly satisfying answer but it's way better than when Christian apologists explain suffering with some nonsense about free will and Adam taking bad dietary advice from his wifeReplies: @Ivashka the fool
It is like Judaism clings to Torah and tries to make prophetic writings redundant. Clearly someone chooses what he wants to read.
Unfortunately, Old Believers also cling to some external customs instead of "Law in their hearts".Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
Yeah I think that’s accurate.
It’s not a particularly satisfying answer but it’s way better than when Christian apologists explain suffering with some nonsense about free will and Adam taking bad dietary advice from his wife
At the moment, Western leftism seems to lack a consistent ideology (in this respect it is unlike Marxism, which was closer to being that). It seems more like a visionary or mythological politics centred around the Western graduate elite.
So they would oppose Russia and support Ukraine because at present that looks like the best way of advancing their vision. At the same time they could probably support an attack on a country if it was determined that it had been taken over by reactionary forces and false consciousness about the correct direction of Progress (i.e. Progress is always moving in the direction of their vision).
Odesa was russian speaking but more culturally Ukrainian…. despite what putin said, not everybody who speaks russian is russian.
It would be like the King of Spain declaring Mexicans to be Spanish subjects because of their language…
Or in Europe it would be like the UK saying that Ireland is actually part of Greater England because they speak English.
It’s recognized as nonsense about any other international language but lots of supporters of russia think it doesn’t apply to russian….
I live in Poland and it’s not an issue for almost anyone…. Still, public signs for Ukrainians are always in Ukrainian (maybe not in Warsaw which has had russian signage since the 1990s).
The Ukrainian employees at the supermarket I go to speak russian among themselves but no one cares as long as they can answer customer questions in Polish when asked.
I was talking to a friend who was dreading having to use the main bus station in Warsaw which has felt like a russian speaking enclave since before the pandemic. It wasn’t the Ukrainians that made him uncomfortable but the darker Caucasian types that have also been migrating to Poland in recent years.
I addressed it already. EHC endorses it. 🎯
Recognizing that the human experience goes beyond the body is not Trans or EHC. Trans is either: you are born different (1%) or socially-inflamed mental illness (99%).Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24TC4VJAIoReplies: @Ivashka the fool
It’s not, because Poland wasn’t. Poland was limiting German schools and such, as it was doing to Jews and Ukrainians.
Not good, but not an excuse to invade and kill millions, but you disagree.
Is it because you are Jewish? Interwar Poland identified Nazism as a Judaic ideology, this would explain your Nazism.
I do know that the German percentage in Poland's western territories significantly declined between 1914 (when they were still a part of Germany) and 1931, though I've also heard a theory that a part of this decline in Germans might be due to some or even many people who identified as Germans back in 1914 (and/or their descendants) identified as Poles in 1931.
In 1931, almost no parts of Poland were 40+% German:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/German_language_frequency_in_Poland_based_on_Polish_census_of_1931.PNG/929px-German_language_frequency_in_Poland_based_on_Polish_census_of_1931.PNG
The German presence in these territories was a bit more solid in the pre-WWI era, though:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/q6rg3q/languages_in_prussia_according_to_census_data/
I don't have the luxury of your tunnel vision. I see this war as going back directly to 2003 (even earlier) with the USA leaving the ABM nuclear weapons treaty. These and other Western steps are a foundation which led to the current fighting. In this perspective, Ukraine is simply a pawn of the West to be used up at Russia's expense.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP
Argument from authority, but to can’t identify the authority.
Just use a dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup
1. a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics and especially the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group : COUP D’ÉTAT
In its first few hours, the coup seemed a terrifying confirmation of the power of the military, the police and, especially, the KGB
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Prigozhin attempted a coup. There was an attempted coup in Turkey. If some generals had overthrown Yanukovich it would have been a coup.
Instead he was overthrown in a popular uprising in half the country.
Leftists have a disgusting habit of warping the meaning of words to serve their ideological purposes. They do that with words such as racism or supremacy. A form of lying. Here you do the same, to support your warmongering.
Your tunnel vision leads you to see everything in terms of your hatred of your own country’s ambitions. So Ukrainian efforts to maintain their own independence from Russia are perceived by you as some American plot.
It’s like a fanatic anti-Frenchman Anglophile insisting that the American Revolution was an action by French pawns being used as part of an anti-British French plot. “This war goes back decades…”
I had hoped you and I were past the semantics. I have given a partial list of USA and Western actions against Russia which happened before 2014 which were highly provocative. The Western involvement in Ukraine post-1990 is part of this apparent Western plan intended to destroy Russia as the final blow of the Cold War. I don't care if we call it meddling, a coup, etc. I acknowledged it is different than most coups, though the term fits because the end goal was similar to that of many conventional coup.
None of these things are especially controversial except with people who refuse to see the larger forces at work.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
It's not a particularly satisfying answer but it's way better than when Christian apologists explain suffering with some nonsense about free will and Adam taking bad dietary advice from his wifeReplies: @Ivashka the fool
This is also the view of the Qurʾān. Not surprising at all, given that Islam was basically about bringing the Abrahamic religions to their historical metaphysical roots: strong monism, God’s absolute domination of the Creation and God’s unfathomable transcendence. And yeah, in Islam, Satan (Iblis) is condemned because he keeps with his monotheistic ethics and refuses bowing to the newly created man instead of bowing to God alone. Most Muslims would also agree that the God’s providence completely trumps and overpowers any free will the creatures might hypothetically enjoy. Obeying God’s prescriptions is best because God knows best, it has nothing to do with ethics. Islam means Submission (to God) after all. Moreover, God is the Ground Being of the Real. He Is, while everything else exists because of His Being.
It is poetically described here:
I suppose you read the Septuagint / Old Testament / Torah, have you also read the Gospels?
I am asking because I wonder whether you would have categorized the G-d of the Book of Job / G-d of Ecclesiastes as identical to the Heavenly Father that Jesus preached about ?
I'm asking because for the West/US to have NATO give up its open door policy, it would need pretty major concessions in return, such as those above. Now it would probably be too late, I suspect, but had Russia actually offered such terms back in December 2021, would the West have still rejected this offer? And would Russia have actually been willing to agree to such an offer had the West itself made it back then?Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William, @Sean
China and Taiwan are not separate countries, Taiwan has never claimed to be a sovereign state independent of China. China has repeatedly said that if Taiwan makes a unilateral declaration of independence, then China will invade Taiwan. This is how to effectively threaten: the dire consequences are going to be visited on the decision makers.
There was never any chance the West would accede to Putin’s ultimatum because no country of the Western alliance was going to get invaded if Nato rejected the ultimatum, and they were under no obligation whatsoever to directly help defend Ukraine, which would be doing all the fighting itself.
Your dubious claims regarding Russia’s abilities to create tanks and ammunition at higher rates than the collective west, designed to deflect the question that I posed to you, shows just how empty your rhetoric actually is (in other words, your answer was irrelevant to the question posed). I’ll let you try to answer the question one more time (don’t expect a third opportunity to do so):
I do have to give you credit though, for at least trying to reply to a comment that I’ve posed to you. That’s a lot more than some other prominent partaker in this blog site often affords me, apparently waiting for more “high quality” banter that he can afford to spend his precious time on. 🙁
Well, my time is just as precious as his, and I’m reevaluating the time that I spend here.
Globalism and the soul of Russians is not a good mix.
"Hey Bubba, watch this!"Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Obviously Russia could not do that, if the collective West was willing to mobilise its economy. But the West seems very reluctant to take such a step; artillery ammunition for the current Ukrainian offensive has been loaned from South Korea.
If the Washington alliance was intent on Ukraine emerging victorious it would have deployed its productive capacity long ago . They want to write down Russia’s military capabilities and appetite for further adventures. It would be nice if it happened, but Washington do not appear to be invested in Ukraine winning to the extent a total economic-industrial effort is contemplated.
Larry Johnson w/ latest on Russia and Ukraine each saying the other is plotting to attack Nuke plant
Starts off with a great shot at Bill Burns.
Another one of your red herring deflections which can only fool a fool.
If you’re having difficulties in understanding the two parts of my reply, then only concentrate on the first part. It’s not really that hard to understand:
This part is obviously sarcastic:
Yes, Russia makes money selling arms abroad as do a number of other countries, in answer to one of your no shit Sherlock moments.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZY5bdr-RcQ
Among other things, Tony Shaffer on the problems of giving F-16s to the Kiev regime:
• Germany, budget black hole (1) The wise move is for Zelensky to negotiate now. Alas, he is beholden to Scholz and Macron. Thus, he cannot take the only rational option available.PEACE 😇
__________(1) https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-faces-e30-billion-budget-cut-leading-to-infighting-in-ruling-coalition/
1) Where do these aircraft takeoff and and land? If they are based in Poland or Romania it's an issue, even if they land for legal purposes.
2) Do they operate over recognized Russian airspace?
Also of note: France in 1940 had a shit ton of good American aircraft. Poland also had American pilots and aircraft. This is by no means exhaustive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-20_HavocReplies: @QCIC
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1670928990146633728
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1670932741003567104Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ
“Trans” is being promoted as part of an age old cult. People at the top (not EHC, just the ruthless people above EHC) have always favored trans as some sort of important and probably nasty ritual. Some people lower down the ladder are trying to improve their lot by becoming part of this ritual. It will not end well.
Recognizing that the human experience goes beyond the body is not Trans or EHC. Trans is either: you are born different (1%) or socially-inflamed mental illness (99%).
That particular part is correct.
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1661064057959464965
Just use a dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup
1. a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics and especially the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group : COUP D'ÉTAT
In its first few hours, the coup seemed a terrifying confirmation of the power of the military, the police and, especially, the KGB
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Prigozhin attempted a coup. There was an attempted coup in Turkey. If some generals had overthrown Yanukovich it would have been a coup.
Instead he was overthrown in a popular uprising in half the country.
Leftists have a disgusting habit of warping the meaning of words to serve their ideological purposes. They do that with words such as racism or supremacy. A form of lying. Here you do the same, to support your warmongering. Your tunnel vision leads you to see everything in terms of your hatred of your own country’s ambitions. So Ukrainian efforts to maintain their own independence from Russia are perceived by you as some American plot.
It’s like a fanatic anti-Frenchman Anglophile insisting that the American Revolution was an action by French pawns being used as part of an anti-British French plot. “This war goes back decades…”Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC
“overthrown” is the operative word.
Just use a dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup
1. a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics and especially the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group : COUP D'ÉTAT
In its first few hours, the coup seemed a terrifying confirmation of the power of the military, the police and, especially, the KGB
::::::;:
Prigozhin attempted a coup. There was an attempted coup in Turkey. If some generals had overthrown Yanukovich it would have been a coup.
Instead he was overthrown in a popular uprising in half the country.
Leftists have a disgusting habit of warping the meaning of words to serve their ideological purposes. They do that with words such as racism or supremacy. A form of lying. Here you do the same, to support your warmongering. Your tunnel vision leads you to see everything in terms of your hatred of your own country’s ambitions. So Ukrainian efforts to maintain their own independence from Russia are perceived by you as some American plot.
It’s like a fanatic anti-Frenchman Anglophile insisting that the American Revolution was an action by French pawns being used as part of an anti-British French plot. “This war goes back decades…”Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC
I am trying to avoid nuclear war. I think overzealous backers of Ukraine are walking the world into WW3. I think Ukraine is a pitiful pawn in this process.
I had hoped you and I were past the semantics. I have given a partial list of USA and Western actions against Russia which happened before 2014 which were highly provocative. The Western involvement in Ukraine post-1990 is part of this apparent Western plan intended to destroy Russia as the final blow of the Cold War. I don’t care if we call it meddling, a coup, etc. I acknowledged it is different than most coups, though the term fits because the end goal was similar to that of many conventional coup.
None of these things are especially controversial except with people who refuse to see the larger forces at work.
Sounds like a recipe for other countries to get their own nukes. Chamberlain thought that his efforts for peace by giving in would prevent World War II. How did that work out? Eastern European countries have been struggling against Russian/Muscovite hegemony for centuries. Before the USA even existed. That the USA is now aligned with them does not make them “pawns.”
Btw there is an anti-Ukrainian weirdo called Moses Robeson who devotes his life to what he thinks is the stealthy Banderite takeover of the American (and less important Canadian) foreign policy establishment, for the purpose of forcing the USA to pursue Banderist foreign policy goals. This would make the USA a pawn of Banderists.
Of course, like most conspiracies (including the ones you believe) it is nonsense. The reality is as usual rather simple: Russian leaders want to expand their rule over Ukraine with its resources and population, in order to become more of a global power. America wants to prevent a rival and ally of China from becoming more powerful. Ukrainians want to leave the savage Eurasian world and join their western brothers the Poles. Ukrainians know their western and eastern neighbors quite well, and most believe that life is better in Visegrad than it is in Belarus or Russia. Ukrainian and American interests naturally align from this perspective, and neither one is the other’s pawnReplies: @Mikhail, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7We4CmUK3M&ab_channel=AntonFomenkoReplies: @QCIC
Famous last words of a Redneck (or a Vatnik?):
“Hey Bubba, watch this!”
Yes, this is indeed a $64,000 question that requires contemplation. Christian orthodoxy would offer yes for an answer, without offering much of an explanation as to why the two personalities of God the Father seem so irreconcilably different contrasted within the old and new testaments? Have you developed any of your own theories that might help explain and reconcile these differences? I’d love to hear them…
My understanding is that the Old Testament is the Word of God in the form of fables and stories told to the Jewish people. As such it (and God’s description) consists of Truth but is not necessarily factual.
The New Testament, in contrast, consists of eyewitness accounts of and statements told by God’s Son and incarnation. It is thus both True and mostly factual (of course eyewitness testimony is sometimes inconsistent, each word spoken probably wasn’t transmitted with absolute accuracy).
This explains the discrepancy in presentation.Replies: @Mr. Hack
John 8:44
Mathew 4:8
The mountain from which one could see all the kingdoms of the Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Meru
It is also found in early Byzantine cartography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmas_Indicopleustes
Diablos in Greek meant the ennemy, the adversary, same as Shaitanah in Aramaic and Jewish (Shaitan in Arabic). The adversary of our Enlightenment and Liberation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_(demon)
This World belongs to Mara. This World belongs to YHWH. The Kingdom of Heaven is not of this World. Our Heavenly Father is not YHWH. YHWH is Mara.Replies: @Mr. Hack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLMQphlYkk4Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke
I agree. Kiev would have to chose a main airbase, train ground crews, train pilots (over a year), obtain reliable fuel, and build an entire logistics chain for ammunition and spares. Combat operations would have a timeline into 2025 for the first flight. Next year is virtually unachievable.
Aircraft, even the frugal F-16, are incredibly expensive. America will not pay for this new program. The discussion is how much will be cut from current support.
The only other nations that could afford the billions of €uros are:
• France, currently burning
• Germany, budget black hole (1)
The wise move is for Zelensky to negotiate now. Alas, he is beholden to Scholz and Macron. Thus, he cannot take the only rational option available.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-faces-e30-billion-budget-cut-leading-to-infighting-in-ruling-coalition/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLMQphlYkk4Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke
Issues:
1) Where do these aircraft takeoff and and land? If they are based in Poland or Romania it’s an issue, even if they land for legal purposes.
2) Do they operate over recognized Russian airspace?
Also of note: France in 1940 had a shit ton of good American aircraft. Poland also had American pilots and aircraft. This is by no means exhaustive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-20_Havoc
As part of an official "go ahead" these planes may be backfilled with newer F-16s to the loaner countries or maybe more F-35s to Poland.Replies: @A123
Recognizing that the human experience goes beyond the body is not Trans or EHC. Trans is either: you are born different (1%) or socially-inflamed mental illness (99%).Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
> “Trans” is being promoted as part of an age old cult.
That particular part is correct.
"Hey Bubba, watch this!"Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
He is an aspirational circus / stunt performer. He has a day job. Always keep your day job until your night job pays.
Is “EHC” just a synonym for “GAE political cadres?”
Aren’t a lot Silicon Valley types, like Musk, Andreeson, and Hotz, different from the regime?
Not for making something a coup. Otherwise any Revolution such as the American one would be a coup.
The American Revolution did tend to chase out undemocratically appointed governors while the congress and Houses of Burgess and assemblies had some electoral legitimacy, these were also colonies where the colonists viewed themselves as Englishmen with Englishman's rights whatever they took that to mean.in contrast The American Civil War has some of the trappings of a coup on both sides. Lincoln was only technically legitimate and did not reflect the electorate's will. Davis was perhaps an unlawful usurper but he was also a separatist with wide popular support in his own vast region and the machinery of government in those States.Replies: @AP
Not good, but not an excuse to invade and kill millions, but you disagree.
Is it because you are Jewish? Interwar Poland identified Nazism as a Judaic ideology, this would explain your Nazism.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ
That’s the Lavrov School of Hitler as a Rothschild Bastard. Answer: No.
Studies have shown that the wage slaves in 19th century London had higher standards of living than those living in the countryside. Furthermore, the example of chattel slavery in the United States shows that even chattel slaves were treated drastically better in places/times where there was a labor shortage. The massive labor shortage that existed in western Europe in the aftermath of the Black Death was probably the primary cause of the breakdown of serfdom in the region.
The biggest problem for the working people in the developed world is the fiat money system which transfers wealth from the workers to the Rentier class. This system is ahistorical, it technically has only existed in a pure form since 1973. When fiat finally dies, a great deal of power and wealth will be transferred to the workers.Replies: @S, @Beckow
Sure they did. That is right there with mistakes were made and collateral damage in the modern vocabulary of weasel lying.
How would you possibly know? Did they talk to the people living in the countryside? The ‘living standards’ is a broad term that can’t be easily measured, especially not in retrospect. It is the fallacy of quantifying life by over-simplifying it – and cherry-picking what can be measured or what supports the apriori view. The truth is that they both lived miserable lives in the nirvana of the emerging UK ‘free markets’.
I agree that is a huge problem, but is it the ‘biggest’? Fiat money is a complex advance that is not completely ahistorical – only the volume and the technology surrounding it are. You are right that after the 1970’s it really took off – but bonds of all kinds and contract obligations have existed for a long time and have been stored and traded. They are in effect a claim on the future productive work or assets – on other peoples’ work, often today the ones not born yet – they are impossible to really enforce. Same with the assets. That’s why the current system is very domineering but also very fragile.
How and when it ends is anyone’s guess. The gathering rush to the safety of real assets – homes, lands… – is a sign that on the inside the unraveling has started. But it could take decades. Or not.
I had hoped you and I were past the semantics. I have given a partial list of USA and Western actions against Russia which happened before 2014 which were highly provocative. The Western involvement in Ukraine post-1990 is part of this apparent Western plan intended to destroy Russia as the final blow of the Cold War. I don't care if we call it meddling, a coup, etc. I acknowledged it is different than most coups, though the term fits because the end goal was similar to that of many conventional coup.
None of these things are especially controversial except with people who refuse to see the larger forces at work.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
Crazy Poles.
Is AP a Pole?Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
Yanukovich was duly elected though. Elements of the security state wanted him out others wanted him in. Snipers in the main square, foreign ambassadors egging things on…
The American Revolution did tend to chase out undemocratically appointed governors while the congress and Houses of Burgess and assemblies had some electoral legitimacy, these were also colonies where the colonists viewed themselves as Englishmen with Englishman’s rights whatever they took that to mean.
in contrast The American Civil War has some of the trappings of a coup on both sides. Lincoln was only technically legitimate and did not reflect the electorate’s will. Davis was perhaps an unlawful usurper but he was also a separatist with wide popular support in his own vast region and the machinery of government in those States.
Yanukovich barely won a close election where he got less than 50% of the vote in a 2 person race. He was hated by half the country. After the election he usurped power over the courts and the parliament, without elections. That is, he overthrew the duly elected parliament. He then changed the rules for how parliament was elected.
One of the purposes of an elected democratic government is as a mechanism for a peaceful transfer of power when a government loses popularity and the population prefers another. Yanukovich’s election rule changes limited that. In the next parliamentary election, his enemies won over 50% of the popular vote, but were locked out of power. He retained total political control of the country as his popularity spiraled downward.
So the Opposition, having been locked out of power despite winning the popular vote, ended up taking power after a mass uprising and popular revolution in the western and central half of the country. It also involved French naval and army forces directly engaged with the British military, billions of dollars in aid in today’s money, and a lot of diplomatic support by France, such that the treaty ending that war was signed in Paris.
Still, this did not make the American Revolution a French coup or Washington, Jefferson et al French pawns.
Because the American Revolution, like Maidan, was a mass movement and not one in which a small group overthrew their government.Replies: @Wokechoke
I am a mere believer and regular church-goer, not someone who has studied theology.
My understanding is that the Old Testament is the Word of God in the form of fables and stories told to the Jewish people. As such it (and God’s description) consists of Truth but is not necessarily factual.
The New Testament, in contrast, consists of eyewitness accounts of and statements told by God’s Son and incarnation. It is thus both True and mostly factual (of course eyewitness testimony is sometimes inconsistent, each word spoken probably wasn’t transmitted with absolute accuracy).
This explains the discrepancy in presentation.
I'm just curious and trying to reconcile the two images presented of him in the OT and NT. In the OT, he's is often portrayed as a vengeful and judging father that is involved in the destruction of races (tribes) of men, even his very own sliver of humanity the Jews don't escape his watchful eye. In the NT, we are presented with a much more loving and compassionate God that is even willing to act as a surrogate sacrifice for the sins of all humankind.
And yet somewhere within the bible, we're reminded that God is eternal, never changing*.
* Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away, but you are the same, and your years have no end. (Psalm 102:25-27)
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Matthew 24:35)
Yes, I think the Poles in general are a dangerous wild card on this issue.
Is AP a Pole?
The Russian military complex appears far less corrupt than some others as previously noted.
For seven years, Russia patiently waited for the Kiev regime to fulfill its international obligations, which the latter admitted to never intending to honor.
Yes, Russia makes money selling arms abroad as do a number of other countries, in answer to one of your no shit Sherlock moments.
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The American Revolution did tend to chase out undemocratically appointed governors while the congress and Houses of Burgess and assemblies had some electoral legitimacy, these were also colonies where the colonists viewed themselves as Englishmen with Englishman's rights whatever they took that to mean.in contrast The American Civil War has some of the trappings of a coup on both sides. Lincoln was only technically legitimate and did not reflect the electorate's will. Davis was perhaps an unlawful usurper but he was also a separatist with wide popular support in his own vast region and the machinery of government in those States.Replies: @AP
Whether or not someone was duly elected doesn’t make something a coup or not.
Yanukovich barely won a close election where he got less than 50% of the vote in a 2 person race. He was hated by half the country. After the election he usurped power over the courts and the parliament, without elections. That is, he overthrew the duly elected parliament. He then changed the rules for how parliament was elected.
One of the purposes of an elected democratic government is as a mechanism for a peaceful transfer of power when a government loses popularity and the population prefers another. Yanukovich’s election rule changes limited that. In the next parliamentary election, his enemies won over 50% of the popular vote, but were locked out of power. He retained total political control of the country as his popularity spiraled downward.
So the Opposition, having been locked out of power despite winning the popular vote, ended up taking power after a mass uprising and popular revolution in the western and central half of the country.
It also involved French naval and army forces directly engaged with the British military, billions of dollars in aid in today’s money, and a lot of diplomatic support by France, such that the treaty ending that war was signed in Paris.
Still, this did not make the American Revolution a French coup or Washington, Jefferson et al French pawns.
Because the American Revolution, like Maidan, was a mass movement and not one in which a small group overthrew their government.
The OT is a Jewish synthesis of other people’s history up to a certain stage and after that guides the Jews on how the Jews were to operate in the context of inhabiting other people’s countries as a docile host/needy parasite.
The NT is Greeks observing these strange Jews and calling them out on their own literary game of a blended history/fiction, then beating them at it. Jesus is the Un-Jew.
Yanukovich barely won a close election where he got less than 50% of the vote in a 2 person race. He was hated by half the country. After the election he usurped power over the courts and the parliament, without elections. That is, he overthrew the duly elected parliament. He then changed the rules for how parliament was elected.
One of the purposes of an elected democratic government is as a mechanism for a peaceful transfer of power when a government loses popularity and the population prefers another. Yanukovich’s election rule changes limited that. In the next parliamentary election, his enemies won over 50% of the popular vote, but were locked out of power. He retained total political control of the country as his popularity spiraled downward.
So the Opposition, having been locked out of power despite winning the popular vote, ended up taking power after a mass uprising and popular revolution in the western and central half of the country. It also involved French naval and army forces directly engaged with the British military, billions of dollars in aid in today’s money, and a lot of diplomatic support by France, such that the treaty ending that war was signed in Paris.
Still, this did not make the American Revolution a French coup or Washington, Jefferson et al French pawns.
Because the American Revolution, like Maidan, was a mass movement and not one in which a small group overthrew their government.Replies: @Wokechoke
1/3 were for it 1/3 didn’t care and 1/3 were against.
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1676708216938328065Replies: @Wokechoke, @S, @LatW
Another juicy episode of the soap opera Santa Barbara (aka, Wagnergate) brought to you by Michael Nacki.
“It was all for the money.”
Apparently he strangled a woman (thankfully, not to death, it seems). Crazy dude,
1) Where do these aircraft takeoff and and land? If they are based in Poland or Romania it's an issue, even if they land for legal purposes.
2) Do they operate over recognized Russian airspace?
Also of note: France in 1940 had a shit ton of good American aircraft. Poland also had American pilots and aircraft. This is by no means exhaustive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-20_HavocReplies: @QCIC
I think they would use Polish and Romanian F-16s painted to look Ukrainian. All crews and pilots are from the loaner country. This may already be happening with Polish MiG-29s. These planes are old so offer no advantage except for some modern ordnance which Ukraine possibly doesn’t have for its own grounded planes. The loaner planes are probably NATO combat networked, which increases Russia’s target set for R-37 missiles (for the ISR aircraft).
As part of an official “go ahead” these planes may be backfilled with newer F-16s to the loaner countries or maybe more F-35s to Poland.
____Again -- The huge question is, "What nation(s) would fund such a venture?" It will not be America.PEACE 😇
It would be like the King of Spain declaring Mexicans to be Spanish subjects because of their language...
Or in Europe it would be like the UK saying that Ireland is actually part of Greater England because they speak English.
It's recognized as nonsense about any other international language but lots of supporters of russia think it doesn't apply to russian....Replies: @Wokechoke
it’s a little different.
Ireland was part of Great Britain. There’s a salty saline body of water called a Sea separating the two Islands.
Mexico was a Spanish Colony. There’s an ocean between them.
Not so in Russia and Ukraine. The main geographical feature is the Dnieper river. Which does separate the two on much of the course of the river.
Cleary Austria is a fake country that should be part of Germany (as is Switzerland).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke
@Ivashka @Greasy @Armenian
https://twitter.com/FlaunaSingh/status/1670505144180523009?s=20
Total collection at Darbar Sahib (Golden Temple) or Harimandir Sahib is $8.5mil annum.
Total Sikh Gurdwara operating budget is about $150mil USD.
Taliban 1 lakh fighters x 300 a month = $360mil in salaries they had about 2-3x total.
Means we just poor, but otherwise Sikh separatism is success medium-long term.
ਅਕਾਲ
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/centre-allows-foreign-donations-for-golden-temple-after-a-hiatus-of-35-years/story-DEiocsQs5t5jSH9XpenWsO.html
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/centre-allows-foreign-donations-for-golden-temple-after-a-hiatus-of-35-years/story-DEiocsQs5t5jSH9XpenWsO.html
https://twitter.com/FlaunaSingh/status/1664023939549470723?s=20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mariupol_(2014)Would you expect an armed government response if Mexican separatists stormed a government building in New Mexico? Or would you just shrug? Here is something more recent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO9u0XT6O40That is the totalitarian state you defend on a free speech message board. Stormtroopers hauling off a woman for holding up two words on a small piece of paper. The words actually say two words. Free speech for me but not for thee. - Unz Dwarf Defense ForceReplies: @QCIC, @Mikel
There were no “Mexicans” in Mariupol, or just a few at best. It was Donbas locals upset that the president they had overwhelmingly voted for had been overthrown amid violent protests and replaced by people who made little effort to disguise their hatred towards them (“we should nuke the katsaps”, Timoshenko).
The popular uprising was as legitimate as any other, including probably the one we celebrated the day before yesterday. The fact that some Russian adventurers with probable links to the Kremlin had shown up further north in Donbas does not mean that a majority of Donbasers were not in favor of separation. They are two different facts.
The BLM/Antifa lootings and riots across the US were by all measures less legitimate than the Donbasers’ protests. But I can’t remember any instances of American officers killing unarmed civilians, as happened in Mariupol and later on all across Donbas. Neither are the French doing that in the current riots or the Spaniards when the Catalans tried to secede.
Besides, this was not a country with 200 years of history. It had been independent for barely 30 years under old administrative borders drawn by USSR dictators. Ethnic allegiances had not fully settled yet. The Moscow dwarf has probably fixed that problem now but the Kiev dwarf and his predecessors could have taken a much more mature, conciliatory approach toward part of their co-citizens before starting shooting at them mercilessly with live fire. Like the examples I cited above. That approach may have even prevented this war.
In any case, moral outrage directed at only one side is always fake. Your repetitive denunciation of only one side and refusal to accept any wrongdoing whatsoever by the other side is wasted on a board like this where people are much better informed than the normie population. As I told you the other day, we already have the BBC, CNN and all the rest to spread your message from every rooftop.
https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/links/ukraine-budapest-memorandum-1994Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
Not good, but not an excuse to invade and kill millions, but you disagree.
Is it because you are Jewish? Interwar Poland identified Nazism as a Judaic ideology, this would explain your Nazism.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ
Poland was also trying to encourage its Germans to emigrate in the interwar era, right? Did it sometimes use eminent domain to seize German lands in Poland? I seem to recall previously hearing that somewhere, but I don’t know if it is actually true.
I do know that the German percentage in Poland’s western territories significantly declined between 1914 (when they were still a part of Germany) and 1931, though I’ve also heard a theory that a part of this decline in Germans might be due to some or even many people who identified as Germans back in 1914 (and/or their descendants) identified as Poles in 1931.
In 1931, almost no parts of Poland were 40+% German:
The German presence in these territories was a bit more solid in the pre-WWI era, though:
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1670928990146633728
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1670932741003567104Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ
Worth noting that sometimes one can even act as trans or at least as quasi-trans in order to personally become EHC, as F1NN5TER and some other femboys have been doing. Here’s F1NN5TER:
For America or for Ukraine?
Not all in the 13 that did rebel wanted separation. We also have an example of a revolutionary hero of heroes like Benedict Arnold decide that the colonies were making a mistake and ought to rejoin the Empire. He tended to sour on the project when he saw well connected Massholes and Connecticut Mafia get nepotistic with all the plum jobs in the Army and civil administration.
The battle of Kings Mountain in the south was largely a civil war between rebellious backwoodsmen and loyalist landowners/township residents.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @S
I had hoped you and I were past the semantics. I have given a partial list of USA and Western actions against Russia which happened before 2014 which were highly provocative. The Western involvement in Ukraine post-1990 is part of this apparent Western plan intended to destroy Russia as the final blow of the Cold War. I don't care if we call it meddling, a coup, etc. I acknowledged it is different than most coups, though the term fits because the end goal was similar to that of many conventional coup.
None of these things are especially controversial except with people who refuse to see the larger forces at work.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
By giving in to blackmail by a nuclear power ms appeasing it, at the expense of a nation that voluntarily gave up its nukes.
Sounds like a recipe for other countries to get their own nukes.
Chamberlain thought that his efforts for peace by giving in would prevent World War II. How did that work out?
Eastern European countries have been struggling against Russian/Muscovite hegemony for centuries. Before the USA even existed. That the USA is now aligned with them does not make them “pawns.”
Btw there is an anti-Ukrainian weirdo called Moses Robeson who devotes his life to what he thinks is the stealthy Banderite takeover of the American (and less important Canadian) foreign policy establishment, for the purpose of forcing the USA to pursue Banderist foreign policy goals. This would make the USA a pawn of Banderists.
Of course, like most conspiracies (including the ones you believe) it is nonsense. The reality is as usual rather simple: Russian leaders want to expand their rule over Ukraine with its resources and population, in order to become more of a global power. America wants to prevent a rival and ally of China from becoming more powerful. Ukrainians want to leave the savage Eurasian world and join their western brothers the Poles. Ukrainians know their western and eastern neighbors quite well, and most believe that life is better in Visegrad than it is in Belarus or Russia. Ukrainian and American interests naturally align from this perspective, and neither one is the other’s pawn
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat
And Ukrainians still aren't afraid to mention this idea as a backup option:
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-can-develop-nuclear-weapons-within-short-time-ex-zelensky-aide-1808663 A cynic would say that Chamberlain screwed up by giving up on appeasement halfway and giving Poland guarantees rather than by continuing the appeasement policy and abandoning Poland to its fate (thus possibly compelling Poland to seek an alliance with Nazi Germany).
Alternatively, one could argue that if Chamberlain was really serious about an anti-Hitler coalition, then he should have been willing to ally with the Soviet Union at any price. If the Soviets want the Baltics, Finland, et cetera, then he should have been prepared to give them this since stopping Hitler is much more important than who controls Riga or Tallinn or Vilnius or Helsinki. Yep, the PLC and Muscovy/the Russian Empire were historical rivals to my knowledge. Yep; correct! You forgot to mention that Ukrainians get to be a part of a world-power by joining the EU to a much greater extent than they would be by joining Russia, though. And that the West benefits from having Ukraine join the EU since it means a larger EU and a larger West, even though it also means a greater Western financial commitment to Ukraine in the short-term and possibly medium-term as well:
https://pontifex.substack.com/p/contra-hanania-on-russiaukraine
Ukraine could possibly more-or-less pay for itself in the long-run, though.
And of course Western nationalists get to benefit from the influx of an additional couple dozen million relatively conservative white Europeans into the EU to counterbalance the Woke liberals, Muslims, and Africans who are already in the EU. This would, of course, significantly enlarge the almost Muslim-free zone in the EU:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Islam_in_Europe-2010.svg/690px-Islam_in_Europe-2010.svg.png
As a side note, there is also another benefit to the West in supporting Ukraine: Specifically, it provides a relatively liberal, pro-Western development model for the rest of the East Slavic world. (Non-Eastern Slavs aren't in bad need of such a model, but Eastern Slavs are, unfortunately.) Ukraine might have its issues (re: corruption, cronyism, poverty, etc.), but even a flawed pro-Western East Slavic democracy with greater amounts of free speech, free expression, et cetera relative to Russia and Belarus could serve as an inspiration to liberals in those countries, especially if Ukraine will experience a huge economic boom after the end of the war as a result of remittances combined with large-scale Western aid.
BTW, I like the fact that in Ukraine, nationalism (the less crude type) attracts high human capital people while in Russia nationalism (unless perhaps it's Pan-European nationalism) repulses high human capital people. (Even Richard Hanania pointed out how pro-Russian separatism in the Donbass tends to be more thoroughly filled with low-human capital types than Ukrainian nationalism is. Hanania points out that at least Ukrainian nationalism has a lot of high-human capital types supporting it as well.) Anatoly Karlin previously posted on Twitter about how 7% of a particular graduating class of the Kiev School of Economics or something like that got killed in the current Ukraine War, which I found to be very impressive since it demonstrates a strong commitment even among Ukraine's cognitive elite to voluntarily fight for their own country. Perhaps somewhat comparable to cognitive elites in the World Wars volunteering for military service even if they could avoid it due to their wealth and connections. Russian cognitive elites, on the other hand, probably wouldn't be very willing to risk dying in Ukraine, though they might be more willing to, say, defend their country from a Chinese attack. Maybe, at least.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
Since 2014, Russian reminders about nuclear aspects of the Ukraine conflict are meant to break through the media facade which pretends that this is not fundamentally a nuclear-armed power conflict.Replies: @AP
No analogy is perfect because every case is different. A closer analogy of Ukrainians to Russians would be that of the Dutch in the Netherlands to the Deutsch next door.
Sounds like a recipe for other countries to get their own nukes. Chamberlain thought that his efforts for peace by giving in would prevent World War II. How did that work out? Eastern European countries have been struggling against Russian/Muscovite hegemony for centuries. Before the USA even existed. That the USA is now aligned with them does not make them “pawns.”
Btw there is an anti-Ukrainian weirdo called Moses Robeson who devotes his life to what he thinks is the stealthy Banderite takeover of the American (and less important Canadian) foreign policy establishment, for the purpose of forcing the USA to pursue Banderist foreign policy goals. This would make the USA a pawn of Banderists.
Of course, like most conspiracies (including the ones you believe) it is nonsense. The reality is as usual rather simple: Russian leaders want to expand their rule over Ukraine with its resources and population, in order to become more of a global power. America wants to prevent a rival and ally of China from becoming more powerful. Ukrainians want to leave the savage Eurasian world and join their western brothers the Poles. Ukrainians know their western and eastern neighbors quite well, and most believe that life is better in Visegrad than it is in Belarus or Russia. Ukrainian and American interests naturally align from this perspective, and neither one is the other’s pawnReplies: @Mikhail, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
They’ve a lot of clout. Witness the NY Post daily featuring the Ukrainian flag at the top right page one of its. The Jessie Jackson termed Hymietown never had such for Israel. Going back further was the Banderite Ukrainian American dominated Captive Nations Committee platform which Solzhenitsyn opposed.
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/02/27/russia-ukraine-coverage-update-what-western-mass-media-downplays/
Unlike Banderites, neocons and neolibs, Russia was willing to accept a neutral Ukraine within its Soviet drawn boundary. The Banderites, neocons and neolibs desire an anti-Russian Ukraine within its Commie drawn boundary – thereby explaining the current status quo.
A significant number of folks within Ukraine’s Commie drawn boundary understandably and reasonably don’t agree with the Banderite, neocon and neolib view of Russia.
As part of an official "go ahead" these planes may be backfilled with newer F-16s to the loaner countries or maybe more F-35s to Poland.Replies: @A123
If Russia captures a Polish or Romanian pilot it would invalidate that country’s Article 5 protection under NATO. Neither country is so crazy to risk this sort of thermonuclear misadventure.
Ground crews would have to be brought up to speed. There is more latitude for foreign ‘trainers’. However, full crews risk the same Article 5 invalidation. The bulk of the manpower would have to be actual Ukrainian military. Therefore a minimum 12, more likely 18, month timeline.
Major work on these aircraft could take place out of country as long as the return after maintenance is not a combat mission (a.k.a. ferry flight). Attempting a ferry from Poland to Ukraine could be misunderstood. To avoid confusion, major service would likely take place in Greece or Turkey allowing a Black Sea transit for deconfliction.
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Again — The huge question is, “What nation(s) would fund such a venture?” It will not be America.
PEACE 😇
A sharp contrast from the Western mass media spin of this morning –
https://donhank.substack.com/p/massive-missile-strike-on-lvov-academy?sd=pf
He just doesn’t have enough self-control to stop posting trans videos, even after multiple people have asked him to do so and he promised to behave. He’s the perfect example of why instituting gay marriage was a wrong concession. It’s led to all sorts of coming outs, each weirder than the previous one, and the normalization of socially harmful behaviors.
If they weren’t clearly coming for our children it would be more tolerable but they don’t even feel that they need to disguise their child proselytism activities. I must personally take care of some teachers’ goal of confusing and perverting my child’s perfectly natural gender instincts. And this is in the middle of a deep red area. Like any other kind of professionals, there is also a big shortage of teachers so they need to employ people from out of the state and we only find about their inclinations after they’ve already put them to work in class. It didn’t have to end like this. Gay tax and inheritance rights were very easy to solve without taking this insane path.
Today in die for your dictator….watch this Javalin go to work
I guess these guys didn’t get Scott Ritter’s memo about the counter-offensive being over.
The popular uprising was as legitimate as any other, including probably the one we celebrated the day before yesterday. The fact that some Russian adventurers with probable links to the Kremlin had shown up further north in Donbas does not mean that a majority of Donbasers were not in favor of separation. They are two different facts.
The BLM/Antifa lootings and riots across the US were by all measures less legitimate than the Donbasers' protests. But I can't remember any instances of American officers killing unarmed civilians, as happened in Mariupol and later on all across Donbas. Neither are the French doing that in the current riots or the Spaniards when the Catalans tried to secede.
Besides, this was not a country with 200 years of history. It had been independent for barely 30 years under old administrative borders drawn by USSR dictators. Ethnic allegiances had not fully settled yet. The Moscow dwarf has probably fixed that problem now but the Kiev dwarf and his predecessors could have taken a much more mature, conciliatory approach toward part of their co-citizens before starting shooting at them mercilessly with live fire. Like the examples I cited above. That approach may have even prevented this war.
In any case, moral outrage directed at only one side is always fake. Your repetitive denunciation of only one side and refusal to accept any wrongdoing whatsoever by the other side is wasted on a board like this where people are much better informed than the normie population. As I told you the other day, we already have the BBC, CNN and all the rest to spread your message from every rooftop.Replies: @John Johnson
There were no “Mexicans” in Mariupol, or just a few at best.
So you don’t want to answer a theoretical question because it will reveal that like other Putin defenders you would never expect the US government to tolerate violent separatists that support a foreign government.
Double standards for thee but not for me.
Just as you value free speech but not for Russians. F-ck em cause the dwarf is in charge there, right?
Besides, this was not a country with 200 years of history. It had been independent for barely 30 years under old administrative borders drawn by USSR dictators.
Which country has 200 years of history? Imperial Russia was ended in 1917. The former area of Russia became an administrative region. There was never an independent Russia within the USSR.
Ukraine was not a contested area after the breakup of the USSR. Their borders were actually defined briefly after WW1 before being violently occupied by Communists.
Russia in 1994 swore to recognize the autonomy of Ukraine and that included Crimea as part of the Budapest Memorandum. Here is their signature:
https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/links/ukraine-budapest-memorandum-1994
In the full context of the Western and USA moves against Russia since 1994 it seems clear that Russia's actions in the SMO are covered by the self-defense clauses in this memorandum.Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson
Just because you think that the only way of being against Russia's invasion is defending everything the Kiev dwarf (and fellow clown) and the rest of Ukrainian authorities have ever done since 2014, it doesn't mean that the rest of us share your lack of moral integrity. It is not only perfectly possible to be against atrocities committed by both sides in any conflict, it is actually what every normal person does.
Speaking of which, of course I would oppose the killing of unarmed civilians in Santa Fe just because they were protesting in favor of joining Mexico. Likewise, I would consider mentioning the presence of some Mexican nationals during those protests a lame excuse to justify a barbaric act. You kill people to defend yourself or to defend others, you don't kill anyone for political reasons anymore. In spite of our hypocritical foreign policies, that's how advanced societies have functioned for generations now. What's so f^cking difficult to understand about this?Replies: @John Johnson
The Dutch had an Empire in the 17 th century you moron.
Moreover you apparently were too dumb to know that the Dutch people of what is now Belgium were under Hapsburg rule until Napoleon’s time.
Here's a map of German dialects in 1910, for instance:
https://www.gifex.com/images/0X0/2011-05-24-13745/German_Dialects_1910.jpg
Dutch is apparently considered German on it.
And the Netherlands also used to be a part of the Holy Roman Empire:
https://commons.princeton.edu/mg/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/MG-The_Holy_Roman_Empire_about_1618.jpg
And Dutch are historically Catholics and Protestants, similar to Germans themselves.
Dutch people can also extremely easily pass for Germans:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mjCH7OuHhd4/maxresdefault.jpg
On page 28 here, German economist Fredrich List actually did advocate including the Netherlands in the Zollverein (German Customs Union), which of course could have been a predecessor to a unified Germany:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_National_System_of_Political_Economy/4uuc7tdk0Z8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=netherlands
Okay… let’s do Germany, Austria and Switzerland….
Cleary Austria is a fake country that should be part of Germany (as is Switzerland).
Sounds like a recipe for other countries to get their own nukes. Chamberlain thought that his efforts for peace by giving in would prevent World War II. How did that work out? Eastern European countries have been struggling against Russian/Muscovite hegemony for centuries. Before the USA even existed. That the USA is now aligned with them does not make them “pawns.”
Btw there is an anti-Ukrainian weirdo called Moses Robeson who devotes his life to what he thinks is the stealthy Banderite takeover of the American (and less important Canadian) foreign policy establishment, for the purpose of forcing the USA to pursue Banderist foreign policy goals. This would make the USA a pawn of Banderists.
Of course, like most conspiracies (including the ones you believe) it is nonsense. The reality is as usual rather simple: Russian leaders want to expand their rule over Ukraine with its resources and population, in order to become more of a global power. America wants to prevent a rival and ally of China from becoming more powerful. Ukrainians want to leave the savage Eurasian world and join their western brothers the Poles. Ukrainians know their western and eastern neighbors quite well, and most believe that life is better in Visegrad than it is in Belarus or Russia. Ukrainian and American interests naturally align from this perspective, and neither one is the other’s pawnReplies: @Mikhail, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
Zelensky actually flirted with this idea almost a year before the big Russian invasion:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat
And Ukrainians still aren’t afraid to mention this idea as a backup option:
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-can-develop-nuclear-weapons-within-short-time-ex-zelensky-aide-1808663
A cynic would say that Chamberlain screwed up by giving up on appeasement halfway and giving Poland guarantees rather than by continuing the appeasement policy and abandoning Poland to its fate (thus possibly compelling Poland to seek an alliance with Nazi Germany).
Alternatively, one could argue that if Chamberlain was really serious about an anti-Hitler coalition, then he should have been willing to ally with the Soviet Union at any price. If the Soviets want the Baltics, Finland, et cetera, then he should have been prepared to give them this since stopping Hitler is much more important than who controls Riga or Tallinn or Vilnius or Helsinki.
Yep, the PLC and Muscovy/the Russian Empire were historical rivals to my knowledge.
Yep; correct! You forgot to mention that Ukrainians get to be a part of a world-power by joining the EU to a much greater extent than they would be by joining Russia, though. And that the West benefits from having Ukraine join the EU since it means a larger EU and a larger West, even though it also means a greater Western financial commitment to Ukraine in the short-term and possibly medium-term as well:
https://pontifex.substack.com/p/contra-hanania-on-russiaukraine
Ukraine could possibly more-or-less pay for itself in the long-run, though.
And of course Western nationalists get to benefit from the influx of an additional couple dozen million relatively conservative white Europeans into the EU to counterbalance the Woke liberals, Muslims, and Africans who are already in the EU. This would, of course, significantly enlarge the almost Muslim-free zone in the EU:
As a side note, there is also another benefit to the West in supporting Ukraine: Specifically, it provides a relatively liberal, pro-Western development model for the rest of the East Slavic world. (Non-Eastern Slavs aren’t in bad need of such a model, but Eastern Slavs are, unfortunately.) Ukraine might have its issues (re: corruption, cronyism, poverty, etc.), but even a flawed pro-Western East Slavic democracy with greater amounts of free speech, free expression, et cetera relative to Russia and Belarus could serve as an inspiration to liberals in those countries, especially if Ukraine will experience a huge economic boom after the end of the war as a result of remittances combined with large-scale Western aid.
BTW, I like the fact that in Ukraine, nationalism (the less crude type) attracts high human capital people while in Russia nationalism (unless perhaps it’s Pan-European nationalism) repulses high human capital people. (Even Richard Hanania pointed out how pro-Russian separatism in the Donbass tends to be more thoroughly filled with low-human capital types than Ukrainian nationalism is. Hanania points out that at least Ukrainian nationalism has a lot of high-human capital types supporting it as well.) Anatoly Karlin previously posted on Twitter about how 7% of a particular graduating class of the Kiev School of Economics or something like that got killed in the current Ukraine War, which I found to be very impressive since it demonstrates a strong commitment even among Ukraine’s cognitive elite to voluntarily fight for their own country. Perhaps somewhat comparable to cognitive elites in the World Wars volunteering for military service even if they could avoid it due to their wealth and connections. Russian cognitive elites, on the other hand, probably wouldn’t be very willing to risk dying in Ukraine, though they might be more willing to, say, defend their country from a Chinese attack. Maybe, at least.
There's no popularity for imperial visions of atomic spaceship superstates.
Just lame, small parochial victimhood based nationalisms that will never accomplish anything and just end up being swallowed up by another Empire (GAE in this case).
Well it is what it is, Russia "lost" at Civilization and that's that. There's only one winner in that game and it looks like it's probably going to be the Anglos before AGI renders everything moot. Hopefully not, for Russians' own sake. There is no possibility of winning against a polity with 10x the population, 10x the GDP, and 50% the elite science production that isn't run by a total monke. In this situation, the correct and ethical decision is to move to negotiating the terms of surrender immediately, as opposed to literally cucking yourself for a low status position within Western civilization. Perhaps the Chinese will be amenable to limiting their direct annexations to Haishenwai, with the rest of Russia a demilitarized client state and PLA/PLAN basing rights in Pskov, Kaliningrad, Murmansk, Novorossiysk - at which point they become the Intermarium's problem.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123, @Mr. XYZ
Ukraine’s post-Maidan government was initially willing not to seek NATO membership:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-ukraine-crisis-nato/pm-tells-ukrainians-no-nato-membership-armed-groups-to-disarm-idUKBREA2H0DO20140318
It changed its mind after Russia’s aggression, understandably, concluding that Yushchenko was right about this issue.
Well I guess the pawn had a few ideas of its own, at least at the beginning. The outside forces squeeze it, so it learns: "What do you know, I really am a pawn." Oops.
Recently someone posted a Yats video against the NeoNAZIs . It seems he held that position here (without using the trigger word).
Stop pretending this is some dispute between Sokovia and Belgravia. This is about world domination, the Cold War 2.0, WW3 and nuclear destruction. The importance attached to all of the minutia should be divided by a factor of 100. Then you are left with what matters: Nuclear weapons treaties, advanced nuclear doomsday devices, NATO pressure on Russia, NGOs, coups, smaller wars, the list goes on.
Russia developed new nuclear doomsday devices in direct response to the actions of the USA. They begged us not to provoke this response, they said they would react defensively and now they have done it. The Ukraine mess is part of this larger story. Nothing is separate from a story that important, everything else is just background noise. You people are tripping over the flowers in the carpet.
What I find interesting about Polish elections is that the former (pre-1914) German parts of Poland, Warsaw, Lodz, and Bialystok (which used to be majority-East Slavic, IIRC) vote differently from the rest of Poland, preferring the more liberal candidate:

IIRC, Warsaw and Lodz are Poland’s two largest cities, so their voting patterns here are understandable. They’re the Polish versions of New York City and Los Angeles/Chicago, without the minorities.
https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/links/ukraine-budapest-memorandum-1994Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
Thanks for posting the Budapest memorandum.
In the full context of the Western and USA moves against Russia since 1994 it seems clear that Russia’s actions in the SMO are covered by the self-defense clauses in this memorandum.
Best joke of the day.
So Russia launches missiles at apartments in Kiev and sends a 40 mile column towards the capital as part of a plan to completely take over the country.
All in self-defense? Defense against whom exactly?
You are saying Prighozhin is wrong?
"the war was based on lies, it was about egos. Ukraine was never a threat to the country." - PrigozhinReplies: @QCIC
And what relevance does that have to the similarity between Dutch and German cultures?
Moreover you apparently were too dumb to know that the Dutch people of what is now Belgium were under Hapsburg rule until Napoleon’s time.
“Yats is the guy…”
Well I guess the pawn had a few ideas of its own, at least at the beginning. The outside forces squeeze it, so it learns: “What do you know, I really am a pawn.” Oops.
Recently someone posted a Yats video against the NeoNAZIs . It seems he held that position here (without using the trigger word).
Stop pretending this is some dispute between Sokovia and Belgravia. This is about world domination, the Cold War 2.0, WW3 and nuclear destruction. The importance attached to all of the minutia should be divided by a factor of 100. Then you are left with what matters: Nuclear weapons treaties, advanced nuclear doomsday devices, NATO pressure on Russia, NGOs, coups, smaller wars, the list goes on.
Russia developed new nuclear doomsday devices in direct response to the actions of the USA. They begged us not to provoke this response, they said they would react defensively and now they have done it. The Ukraine mess is part of this larger story. Nothing is separate from a story that important, everything else is just background noise. You people are tripping over the flowers in the carpet.
Yes, they did, but he was specifically talking about Dutch people’s similarity to the German people, such as in terms of their language, culture, religion, et cetera.
Here’s a map of German dialects in 1910, for instance:
Dutch is apparently considered German on it.
And the Netherlands also used to be a part of the Holy Roman Empire:
And Dutch are historically Catholics and Protestants, similar to Germans themselves.
Dutch people can also extremely easily pass for Germans:
On page 28 here, German economist Fredrich List actually did advocate including the Netherlands in the Zollverein (German Customs Union), which of course could have been a predecessor to a unified Germany:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_National_System_of_Political_Economy/4uuc7tdk0Z8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=netherlands
Is AP a Pole?Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
He’s a Ukrainian-American.
Cleary Austria is a fake country that should be part of Germany (as is Switzerland).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke
Switzerland has a unique political system (extreme decentralization and frequent popular referendums to determine national policies) that makes it worth preserving. But Yeah, according to Russian nationalists, Austria and the Netherlands really should both become a part of Germany. There is historical precedent for this: The Holy Roman Empire and, in Austria’s case, both the German Confederation and Nazi Germany as well.
Sounds like a recipe for other countries to get their own nukes. Chamberlain thought that his efforts for peace by giving in would prevent World War II. How did that work out? Eastern European countries have been struggling against Russian/Muscovite hegemony for centuries. Before the USA even existed. That the USA is now aligned with them does not make them “pawns.”
Btw there is an anti-Ukrainian weirdo called Moses Robeson who devotes his life to what he thinks is the stealthy Banderite takeover of the American (and less important Canadian) foreign policy establishment, for the purpose of forcing the USA to pursue Banderist foreign policy goals. This would make the USA a pawn of Banderists.
Of course, like most conspiracies (including the ones you believe) it is nonsense. The reality is as usual rather simple: Russian leaders want to expand their rule over Ukraine with its resources and population, in order to become more of a global power. America wants to prevent a rival and ally of China from becoming more powerful. Ukrainians want to leave the savage Eurasian world and join their western brothers the Poles. Ukrainians know their western and eastern neighbors quite well, and most believe that life is better in Visegrad than it is in Belarus or Russia. Ukrainian and American interests naturally align from this perspective, and neither one is the other’s pawnReplies: @Mikhail, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
Thanks for bringing up nuclear blackmail.
Initially there was room for other interpretations of this move by the USA, but after a number of other very aggressive steps by the West against Russia it is obvious that the West is effectively trying to blackmail Russia. This history is well documented and does not involve any conspiracies. The big mystery is that most people are unwilling or unable to link the crucial points together and recognize the conclusion.
Since 2014, Russian reminders about nuclear aspects of the Ukraine conflict are meant to break through the media facade which pretends that this is not fundamentally a nuclear-armed power conflict.
They’d have to quickly touch down in Ukraine’s airfields for legal purposes and be based in Poland to avoid missile reprisals at the ground base. It’ll be an interesting legal wrinkle. I’m not sure exactly how the Ukies are running airfields right now. They must be touching down after their missions on Polish fields to avoid a missile up the backside. Even if they are taking off from Highways and other big enough concrete slabs they can’t easily land without detection and an immediate strike in Ukraine.
Cleary Austria is a fake country that should be part of Germany (as is Switzerland).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke
Exactly…that’s the continental European problem. The boundaries are fundamentally arbitrary. The Anglosphere largely sidesteps these shortsighted and petty disputes by having Genocided the darkies they encountered on various territories that constituted Islands or in the case of the America’s a very large Island. The backstabbing in the East of Europe is only just starting.
The EU is on a certain obvious level a Franco-German empire.
France and Germany combined have a total population of around 150 million people. The EU at its full potential would have around 500 million people (if one includes Ukraine and all of the Balkan countries, but not Russia or even Turkey due to their accession to the EU being unrealistic in the near future). That’s about 35% of the EU’s total population. In contrast, in the Soviet Union, Russia alone made up about 50% of the Soviet Union’s total population. So, the Franco-German domination in the EU is less severe than the Russian domination in the Soviet Union was. And that’s including Central Asia. A union of only Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and maybe Kazakhstan would be even more Russian-dominated. With such a union, Russia would make up about 67% of the total population of this union, or almost two times larger than the share of the Franco-Germans in the EU’s total population.
When it comes to EU elite science production, though, the Franco-Germans definitely punch above their weight:
Other Germanic countries also punch above their weight in regards to this. The Mediterraneans and especially Eastern Europeans unsurprisingly significantly underperform in regards to this relative to their average IQs. I wonder just how much of their underperformance in regards to this is due to brain drain. Russia, for instance, was brain-drained both during the Russian Civil War and again during the 1990s.
What’s interesting is that ex-Communist East Germany does not appear to perform too badly, which further suggests that Germans and Germanics in general have a creativity and/or curiosity advantage relative to Southern and Eastern Europeans.
It’s a similar story with European patent applications:
Are a lot of Southern and/or Eastern Europeans moving abroad and filing patents outside of their home countries? Or are they just naturally less creative and inventive?
In regards to the US, it’s a similar story: Most of the US’s elite science production is concentrated in the BosWash megalopolis, California, or the Chicago area:
The Southern, interior Western, and Midwestern US outside of Chicago don’t produce all that much elite science relative to the areas mentioned above, and I suspect that some or even a lot of the elite science that they do produce could be the result of people from the areas mentioned above moving to these areas in search of better job opportunities.
Please see my response on post #450 here.
After the coup Against Ukraine’s democratically elected president, Crimea understandably and reasonably sought reunification with Russia. In Donbass a large portion of the population sought either outright separation from the Kiev regime or broad autonomy. The Kiev regime that overthrew Yanukovyuch was top heavy with people looking to kick the Russian armed forces out of Crimea, while favoring NATO membership. There’s also the 2008 Bucharest NATO statement about getting Ukraine in NATO.
I didn’t need developing any theories. All one needs is to connect the dots.
John 8:44
Mathew 4:8
The mountain from which one could see all the kingdoms of the Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Meru
It is also found in early Byzantine cartography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmas_Indicopleustes
Diablos in Greek meant the ennemy, the adversary, same as Shaitanah in Aramaic and Jewish (Shaitan in Arabic). The adversary of our Enlightenment and Liberation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_(demon)
This World belongs to Mara. This World belongs to YHWH. The Kingdom of Heaven is not of this World. Our Heavenly Father is not YHWH. YHWH is Mara.
In the full context of the Western and USA moves against Russia since 1994 it seems clear that Russia's actions in the SMO are covered by the self-defense clauses in this memorandum.Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson
Budapest Memorandum isn’t legally binding, Besides, those weren’t Ukrainian nukes. They were Soviet with the actual controls to them in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24TC4VJAIoReplies: @Ivashka the fool
Perv.
https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/links/ukraine-budapest-memorandum-1994Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
What makes some people think that using clownish arguments benefits them in any way? It’s a real mystery.
Just because you think that the only way of being against Russia’s invasion is defending everything the Kiev dwarf (and fellow clown) and the rest of Ukrainian authorities have ever done since 2014, it doesn’t mean that the rest of us share your lack of moral integrity. It is not only perfectly possible to be against atrocities committed by both sides in any conflict, it is actually what every normal person does.
Speaking of which, of course I would oppose the killing of unarmed civilians in Santa Fe just because they were protesting in favor of joining Mexico. Likewise, I would consider mentioning the presence of some Mexican nationals during those protests a lame excuse to justify a barbaric act. You kill people to defend yourself or to defend others, you don’t kill anyone for political reasons anymore. In spite of our hypocritical foreign policies, that’s how advanced societies have functioned for generations now. What’s so f^cking difficult to understand about this?
There were repeated exercises by Nato member countries in Ukraine including Crimea begining under President Leonid Kuchma to further a policy of closer ties with NATO. Then Ukrainian Foreign Minister Udovenko said that the fact that Kyiv had not applied to join NATO did not mean that it should not cooperate with the alliance. The original plan for the 1997 training exercise by NATO member counties and Ukraine ‘Sea Breeze’ was to train for an explicit combat scenario complete with a a simulated invasion of Crimea by troops in landing craft. Furious Russia protests and demos by locals led to it being altered somewhat–at least ostensibly. There were also to be extensive naval exercises around Crimea. Similar ‘Sea Breeze’naval exercises and preparation for ‘peacekeeping’ exercises continued for decades afterward in Russian speaking parts of Ukraine especially Odessa.
We are now going to be treated to hearing about opinion polls showing the population of Ukraine did not want to join Nato until the invasions by Russia started. Yet the trajectory of Ukraine toward military cooperation with Nato started almost immediately Ukraine became independent, and the Russians’ warnings that they considered this Ukraine-NATO interoperability a threat to Russia’s security were more than two decades old by the time of the invasion.
What successive Ukrainian governments did not think hard enough about was its coalescing military understanding with Nato countries being short of full Nato Chapter 5 guarantee membership, provoked Russia (they repeatedly said that they perceived it as provocative), while giving Ukraine none of the protection that Nato member countries had. Basically, Ukraine stuck its neck out like a giraffe.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat
And Ukrainians still aren't afraid to mention this idea as a backup option:
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-can-develop-nuclear-weapons-within-short-time-ex-zelensky-aide-1808663 A cynic would say that Chamberlain screwed up by giving up on appeasement halfway and giving Poland guarantees rather than by continuing the appeasement policy and abandoning Poland to its fate (thus possibly compelling Poland to seek an alliance with Nazi Germany).
Alternatively, one could argue that if Chamberlain was really serious about an anti-Hitler coalition, then he should have been willing to ally with the Soviet Union at any price. If the Soviets want the Baltics, Finland, et cetera, then he should have been prepared to give them this since stopping Hitler is much more important than who controls Riga or Tallinn or Vilnius or Helsinki. Yep, the PLC and Muscovy/the Russian Empire were historical rivals to my knowledge. Yep; correct! You forgot to mention that Ukrainians get to be a part of a world-power by joining the EU to a much greater extent than they would be by joining Russia, though. And that the West benefits from having Ukraine join the EU since it means a larger EU and a larger West, even though it also means a greater Western financial commitment to Ukraine in the short-term and possibly medium-term as well:
https://pontifex.substack.com/p/contra-hanania-on-russiaukraine
Ukraine could possibly more-or-less pay for itself in the long-run, though.
And of course Western nationalists get to benefit from the influx of an additional couple dozen million relatively conservative white Europeans into the EU to counterbalance the Woke liberals, Muslims, and Africans who are already in the EU. This would, of course, significantly enlarge the almost Muslim-free zone in the EU:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Islam_in_Europe-2010.svg/690px-Islam_in_Europe-2010.svg.png
As a side note, there is also another benefit to the West in supporting Ukraine: Specifically, it provides a relatively liberal, pro-Western development model for the rest of the East Slavic world. (Non-Eastern Slavs aren't in bad need of such a model, but Eastern Slavs are, unfortunately.) Ukraine might have its issues (re: corruption, cronyism, poverty, etc.), but even a flawed pro-Western East Slavic democracy with greater amounts of free speech, free expression, et cetera relative to Russia and Belarus could serve as an inspiration to liberals in those countries, especially if Ukraine will experience a huge economic boom after the end of the war as a result of remittances combined with large-scale Western aid.
BTW, I like the fact that in Ukraine, nationalism (the less crude type) attracts high human capital people while in Russia nationalism (unless perhaps it's Pan-European nationalism) repulses high human capital people. (Even Richard Hanania pointed out how pro-Russian separatism in the Donbass tends to be more thoroughly filled with low-human capital types than Ukrainian nationalism is. Hanania points out that at least Ukrainian nationalism has a lot of high-human capital types supporting it as well.) Anatoly Karlin previously posted on Twitter about how 7% of a particular graduating class of the Kiev School of Economics or something like that got killed in the current Ukraine War, which I found to be very impressive since it demonstrates a strong commitment even among Ukraine's cognitive elite to voluntarily fight for their own country. Perhaps somewhat comparable to cognitive elites in the World Wars volunteering for military service even if they could avoid it due to their wealth and connections. Russian cognitive elites, on the other hand, probably wouldn't be very willing to risk dying in Ukraine, though they might be more willing to, say, defend their country from a Chinese attack. Maybe, at least.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
The other prominent nationalism that has high HC (well, “mid”) supporters is BLM.
There’s no popularity for imperial visions of atomic spaceship superstates.
Just lame, small parochial victimhood based nationalisms that will never accomplish anything and just end up being swallowed up by another Empire (GAE in this case).
Well it is what it is, Russia “lost” at Civilization and that’s that. There’s only one winner in that game and it looks like it’s probably going to be the Anglos before AGI renders everything moot.
Hopefully not, for Russians’ own sake. There is no possibility of winning against a polity with 10x the population, 10x the GDP, and 50% the elite science production that isn’t run by a total monke. In this situation, the correct and ethical decision is to move to negotiating the terms of surrender immediately, as opposed to literally cucking yourself for a low status position within Western civilization. Perhaps the Chinese will be amenable to limiting their direct annexations to Haishenwai, with the rest of Russia a demilitarized client state and PLA/PLAN basing rights in Pskov, Kaliningrad, Murmansk, Novorossiysk – at which point they become the Intermarium’s problem.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/race-real-estate-oak-park-chicago/
I'm quite open about the fact that I prefer to live in areas with a single-digit black percentage. Any exceptions to this rule would need to involve exceptional blacks, such as Frisco, Texas, which is barely double-digit black but apparently has the smartest black students in the US, according to Steve Sailer. I do feel slightly bad about this but I simply acknowledge that my own safety comes first and that I prefer not to live in a gated community and probably wouldn't be able to afford to live in one anyway. (Though one of my dad's friends does live in a gated community. It's nice, but again, not exactly for me short of extreme desperation.) The EU or US or China or India can't fulfill this role, at least if it would have actually had the desire to do this? Their odds of success strike me as higher than for Russia since all of them have much more people relative to Russia, even relative to a Russia that would include both Ukraine and Belarus. (And in the case of the US, it is still capable of attracting high-quality immigrants well into the future.) That makes it even more pathetic for Russia, losing to a GAE-Lord (pronounced "gaylord").
As a side note, the EU can be a type of empire in its own right, a junior partner to the US but still a quite impressive world-empire. Some people in the EU do appear to have such a mentality:
https://twitter.com/europeanpan?lang=en
In any case, Pan-Europeanism is inherently more respectable than Russian nationalism since 500 million mostly high-quality people can achieve more than 200 million mostly high-quality people can, at least if they will put equal amounts of effort per person to the relevant tasks. Is AGI going to render network states moot as well? I suspect that Russia will use its nukes against China before giving up Vladivostok, let alone anything else. After all, having Russia use its nukes would have a chance of producing a Chinese retreat, while not having Russia use its nukes would make its nukes pretty much worthless and would guarantee a loss for Russia (though would also reduce the risk of MAD, unless of course the West and China decide to nuke each other on Russian territory, in which case Russia would be fucked).
BTW, China has almost 50 times Russia's total amount of elite science production, not just 50% more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Index
China produces slightly over 20% of the world's elite science while Russia produces slightly less than 0.45%.
BTW, Russia would have a higher-status position within Western civilization were it to join the EU, in which case its political influence there might be comparable to the Franco-Germans combined by virtue of its sheer population. Of course, as I previously said, breeding more, and especially high-quality, certainly helps improve Russia's relative position in the West. Russia's population disadvantage over China is something like 10:1. If Russia was a part of the West, though, then it could at least try playing off various Western countries against one another.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @John Johnson, @Ferraro1
https://m.analyzingamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Screenshot-2021-05-19-101124.png
The PLO/BLM terror movement is truly borderless. France is burning for "Network BLM". Terror Without Borders 🇸🇩🌐🏳️🌈 EHC is operating in other European nations, such as Belgium, in support of the Jihad taking place in France.PEACE 😇
__________(1) https://ace.mu.nu/archives/405218.phpReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin
I wonder if Russia would have been better served in 1917 by doing to the Bolsheviks what the Germans did to the Spartacists later on in 1918-1919 and also by refusing to launch any new offensives until large numbers of American troops would have already arrived in Europe (such a promise was apparently what ended the French troop mutinies of 1917 in real life). And of course try to rally East Slavic public support for WWI by arguing that Russia is waging this war in order to reunify the East Slavic peoples under its own aegis so that it could bring over a humane version of socialism (not Communism) to all of them after the end of the war. Would not have hurt for Russia to try such moves, at least.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
In the full context of the Western and USA moves against Russia since 1994 it seems clear that Russia's actions in the SMO are covered by the self-defense clauses in this memorandum.Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson
In the full context of the Western and USA moves against Russia since 1994 it seems clear that Russia’s actions in the SMO are covered by the self-defense clauses in this memorandum.
Best joke of the day.
So Russia launches missiles at apartments in Kiev and sends a 40 mile column towards the capital as part of a plan to completely take over the country.
All in self-defense? Defense against whom exactly?
You are saying Prighozhin is wrong?
“the war was based on lies, it was about egos. Ukraine was never a threat to the country.” – Prigozhin
Prigozhin has as little agency as Zelensky. He seems like a puppet being worked by several different masters.Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean
Just because you think that the only way of being against Russia's invasion is defending everything the Kiev dwarf (and fellow clown) and the rest of Ukrainian authorities have ever done since 2014, it doesn't mean that the rest of us share your lack of moral integrity. It is not only perfectly possible to be against atrocities committed by both sides in any conflict, it is actually what every normal person does.
Speaking of which, of course I would oppose the killing of unarmed civilians in Santa Fe just because they were protesting in favor of joining Mexico. Likewise, I would consider mentioning the presence of some Mexican nationals during those protests a lame excuse to justify a barbaric act. You kill people to defend yourself or to defend others, you don't kill anyone for political reasons anymore. In spite of our hypocritical foreign policies, that's how advanced societies have functioned for generations now. What's so f^cking difficult to understand about this?Replies: @John Johnson
What makes some people think that using clownish arguments benefits them in any way? It’s a real mystery.
I asked you a basic question as to if you think the US government should tolerate an armed takeover by Mexican seperatists if they stormed a government building in New Mexico. You avoided the subject.
I wouldn’t call you a clown. Just an intellectual coward like 95% of Putin’s defenders. The wiser ones stay quiet and don’t try to use logic and reason to defend a mass murdering dwarf who has his own friends pushed out of windows for simply being against the war.
It is not only perfectly possible to be against atrocities committed by both sides in any conflict, it is actually what every normal person does.
Which atrocities? I’ve already debunked the “mass shelling of civilians by Ukraine” fable told by Putin supporters. Go ahead and try it here. It doesn’t work unless you are a professional bullshitter like Scott Ritter (a convicted sex criminal) who doesn’t operate in an open forum. He takes softball interviews from an intellectual coward like Stephen Gardner who just nods his head like a housewife and doesn’t call out his bullshit. By all means tell us about these atrocities that required Russia to launch a massive invasion that was supposed to include Moldova. Tell us about the atrocities that required killing over 100k Slavic men on both sides. Note that the UN monitored the militia fighting and reported less than 75 casualties in 2020. That means there were more deaths by accidental drowning.
Speaking of which, of course I would oppose the killing of unarmed civilians in Santa Fe just because they were protesting in favor of joining Mexico.
I didn’t ask about unarmed civilians.
The Russian separatists were armed and took over a government building. Would you shrug if Mexican separatists did the same? Or are you trying to deny that the event happened?
You’re not a real man and you never will be. Real men face reality. Intellectual cowards like yourself are emotionally driven and not interested in what exists. That is why you end up in a corner having to explain what are obviously contradictory standards.
There's no popularity for imperial visions of atomic spaceship superstates.
Just lame, small parochial victimhood based nationalisms that will never accomplish anything and just end up being swallowed up by another Empire (GAE in this case).
Well it is what it is, Russia "lost" at Civilization and that's that. There's only one winner in that game and it looks like it's probably going to be the Anglos before AGI renders everything moot. Hopefully not, for Russians' own sake. There is no possibility of winning against a polity with 10x the population, 10x the GDP, and 50% the elite science production that isn't run by a total monke. In this situation, the correct and ethical decision is to move to negotiating the terms of surrender immediately, as opposed to literally cucking yourself for a low status position within Western civilization. Perhaps the Chinese will be amenable to limiting their direct annexations to Haishenwai, with the rest of Russia a demilitarized client state and PLA/PLAN basing rights in Pskov, Kaliningrad, Murmansk, Novorossiysk - at which point they become the Intermarium's problem.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123, @Mr. XYZ
Yeah, AFAICT, high-IQ people might rhetorically signal support for BLM but generally prefer to live in areas that have few blacks, especially lower-class/working-class ones. The exceptions to this rule generally involve living among middle-class and upper-class blacks, such as in Oak Park, Illinois:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/race-real-estate-oak-park-chicago/
I’m quite open about the fact that I prefer to live in areas with a single-digit black percentage. Any exceptions to this rule would need to involve exceptional blacks, such as Frisco, Texas, which is barely double-digit black but apparently has the smartest black students in the US, according to Steve Sailer. I do feel slightly bad about this but I simply acknowledge that my own safety comes first and that I prefer not to live in a gated community and probably wouldn’t be able to afford to live in one anyway. (Though one of my dad’s friends does live in a gated community. It’s nice, but again, not exactly for me short of extreme desperation.)
The EU or US or China or India can’t fulfill this role, at least if it would have actually had the desire to do this? Their odds of success strike me as higher than for Russia since all of them have much more people relative to Russia, even relative to a Russia that would include both Ukraine and Belarus. (And in the case of the US, it is still capable of attracting high-quality immigrants well into the future.)
That makes it even more pathetic for Russia, losing to a GAE-Lord (pronounced “gaylord”).
As a side note, the EU can be a type of empire in its own right, a junior partner to the US but still a quite impressive world-empire. Some people in the EU do appear to have such a mentality:
https://twitter.com/europeanpan?lang=en
In any case, Pan-Europeanism is inherently more respectable than Russian nationalism since 500 million mostly high-quality people can achieve more than 200 million mostly high-quality people can, at least if they will put equal amounts of effort per person to the relevant tasks.
Is AGI going to render network states moot as well?
I suspect that Russia will use its nukes against China before giving up Vladivostok, let alone anything else. After all, having Russia use its nukes would have a chance of producing a Chinese retreat, while not having Russia use its nukes would make its nukes pretty much worthless and would guarantee a loss for Russia (though would also reduce the risk of MAD, unless of course the West and China decide to nuke each other on Russian territory, in which case Russia would be fucked).
BTW, China has almost 50 times Russia’s total amount of elite science production, not just 50% more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Index
China produces slightly over 20% of the world’s elite science while Russia produces slightly less than 0.45%.
BTW, Russia would have a higher-status position within Western civilization were it to join the EU, in which case its political influence there might be comparable to the Franco-Germans combined by virtue of its sheer population. Of course, as I previously said, breeding more, and especially high-quality, certainly helps improve Russia’s relative position in the West. Russia’s population disadvantage over China is something like 10:1. If Russia was a part of the West, though, then it could at least try playing off various Western countries against one another.
Nuclear weapons are supposed to deter. But ultimately it's not worth getting 10Ms of Russians killed just to keep 5M within the Russian state (which has no grand prospects anyway at this point beyond provisioning relatively high quality biomass to GAE and maintaining a nice SWPL vibe in Moscow, SPB, and a dozen other minor cities).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
I think Karlin is just being prideful in rejecting the idea that Russia would be better off in the Western bloc. To be sure, the problem that brought us here is that Russia is not a small country, but neither is it a giant one. Russia is big enough to dream about empire and civilizational uniqueness, but not big enough to be an equal of the US and China, and this is compounded by the fact that Russia's system historically, and today, has squandered the human capital of its population due to being too inefficient. Russia is not a Germany with extra people.
However, as you say, in an alternative history, where Russia joins the Western bloc, Russia would be in a very high-status position. In the EU, Russia could and probably would be the most important country in the bloc. So if your concern is atomic spaceship superstates, you could imagine the EU being just that, with Russia's influence/contribution and even leadership. In fact, the EU and Russia had space missions together, now abandoned because of the war in Ukraine, so it seems that this war was a giant distraction and waste of resources. A better alternative would be for Russia to come to terms with its limitations, and work with its neighbors for the future atomic spaceship.
There's no popularity for imperial visions of atomic spaceship superstates.
Just lame, small parochial victimhood based nationalisms that will never accomplish anything and just end up being swallowed up by another Empire (GAE in this case).
Well it is what it is, Russia "lost" at Civilization and that's that. There's only one winner in that game and it looks like it's probably going to be the Anglos before AGI renders everything moot. Hopefully not, for Russians' own sake. There is no possibility of winning against a polity with 10x the population, 10x the GDP, and 50% the elite science production that isn't run by a total monke. In this situation, the correct and ethical decision is to move to negotiating the terms of surrender immediately, as opposed to literally cucking yourself for a low status position within Western civilization. Perhaps the Chinese will be amenable to limiting their direct annexations to Haishenwai, with the rest of Russia a demilitarized client state and PLA/PLAN basing rights in Pskov, Kaliningrad, Murmansk, Novorossiysk - at which point they become the Intermarium's problem.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123, @Mr. XYZ
Leftoid 🌐🏳️🌈 EHC is on display in New York: (1)
This assertion on your part is puzzling:
BLM is an Islamic “Network State”, and thus anti-Nationalist.
The PLO/BLM terror movement is truly borderless. France is burning for “Network BLM”. Terror Without Borders 🇸🇩🌐🏳️🌈 EHC is operating in other European nations, such as Belgium, in support of the Jihad taking place in France.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://ace.mu.nu/archives/405218.php
https://news.yahoo.com/bill-blasio-wondered-marrying-self-135917223.html
There's no popularity for imperial visions of atomic spaceship superstates.
Just lame, small parochial victimhood based nationalisms that will never accomplish anything and just end up being swallowed up by another Empire (GAE in this case).
Well it is what it is, Russia "lost" at Civilization and that's that. There's only one winner in that game and it looks like it's probably going to be the Anglos before AGI renders everything moot. Hopefully not, for Russians' own sake. There is no possibility of winning against a polity with 10x the population, 10x the GDP, and 50% the elite science production that isn't run by a total monke. In this situation, the correct and ethical decision is to move to negotiating the terms of surrender immediately, as opposed to literally cucking yourself for a low status position within Western civilization. Perhaps the Chinese will be amenable to limiting their direct annexations to Haishenwai, with the rest of Russia a demilitarized client state and PLA/PLAN basing rights in Pskov, Kaliningrad, Murmansk, Novorossiysk - at which point they become the Intermarium's problem.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @A123, @Mr. XYZ
As a side note, this shows just how badly Russia got fucked over in the 20th century. A 400-million-strong East Slavic bloc (with another extra 100+ million Central Asians, Caucasians, Balts, et cetera) could have been a real peer competitor to both any EU that could have subsequently emerged and to the US (which might not have had a mid-20th century boom in any TL that doesn’t have Communist rule in Russia since that likely prevents WWII as we know it; also, no WWII likely means that late 20th century US immigration liberalization is delayed, possibly significantly). Such an East Slavic bloc could have also inherently been more attractive to Ukrainians, especially if it would have taken a long time to create something similar to the EU in the rest of Europe (due to various territorial and other disputes between various European nation-states making their cooperation for the creation of an EU-style project much more difficult). If Russia would have avoided the dictatorship, totalitarianism, oppression, and brutality of Communist rule on top of this, then this would have been even better for Russia. But even a no-Stalin, pro-NEP, no-forced-collectivization USSR could have still created an extremely formidable East Slavic bloc that would have become a world-power in due time, I suspect. Perhaps comparable to an East Slavic version of present-day China, with western Ukraine and western Belarus being its version of what Taiwan is to China.
I wonder if Russia would have been better served in 1917 by doing to the Bolsheviks what the Germans did to the Spartacists later on in 1918-1919 and also by refusing to launch any new offensives until large numbers of American troops would have already arrived in Europe (such a promise was apparently what ended the French troop mutinies of 1917 in real life). And of course try to rally East Slavic public support for WWI by arguing that Russia is waging this war in order to reunify the East Slavic peoples under its own aegis so that it could bring over a humane version of socialism (not Communism) to all of them after the end of the war. Would not have hurt for Russia to try such moves, at least.
Since 2014, Russian reminders about nuclear aspects of the Ukraine conflict are meant to break through the media facade which pretends that this is not fundamentally a nuclear-armed power conflict.Replies: @AP
No nuclear threats were made.
Do you know what the word “nuclear blackmail” means? Apparently that’s another word (like coup) you don’t know, or you make make up a definition to suit your ideology.
https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100241200
“The threat of the use of nuclear weapons as a means of inducing an opponent to accede to the will of the nation issuing the threat.”
That’s the thing with stupid and/or crazy conspiracy theories. Most people don’t buy them.
https://m.analyzingamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Screenshot-2021-05-19-101124.png
The PLO/BLM terror movement is truly borderless. France is burning for "Network BLM". Terror Without Borders 🇸🇩🌐🏳️🌈 EHC is operating in other European nations, such as Belgium, in support of the Jihad taking place in France.PEACE 😇
__________(1) https://ace.mu.nu/archives/405218.phpReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin
I like this article:
https://news.yahoo.com/bill-blasio-wondered-marrying-self-135917223.html
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/race-real-estate-oak-park-chicago/
I'm quite open about the fact that I prefer to live in areas with a single-digit black percentage. Any exceptions to this rule would need to involve exceptional blacks, such as Frisco, Texas, which is barely double-digit black but apparently has the smartest black students in the US, according to Steve Sailer. I do feel slightly bad about this but I simply acknowledge that my own safety comes first and that I prefer not to live in a gated community and probably wouldn't be able to afford to live in one anyway. (Though one of my dad's friends does live in a gated community. It's nice, but again, not exactly for me short of extreme desperation.) The EU or US or China or India can't fulfill this role, at least if it would have actually had the desire to do this? Their odds of success strike me as higher than for Russia since all of them have much more people relative to Russia, even relative to a Russia that would include both Ukraine and Belarus. (And in the case of the US, it is still capable of attracting high-quality immigrants well into the future.) That makes it even more pathetic for Russia, losing to a GAE-Lord (pronounced "gaylord").
As a side note, the EU can be a type of empire in its own right, a junior partner to the US but still a quite impressive world-empire. Some people in the EU do appear to have such a mentality:
https://twitter.com/europeanpan?lang=en
In any case, Pan-Europeanism is inherently more respectable than Russian nationalism since 500 million mostly high-quality people can achieve more than 200 million mostly high-quality people can, at least if they will put equal amounts of effort per person to the relevant tasks. Is AGI going to render network states moot as well? I suspect that Russia will use its nukes against China before giving up Vladivostok, let alone anything else. After all, having Russia use its nukes would have a chance of producing a Chinese retreat, while not having Russia use its nukes would make its nukes pretty much worthless and would guarantee a loss for Russia (though would also reduce the risk of MAD, unless of course the West and China decide to nuke each other on Russian territory, in which case Russia would be fucked).
BTW, China has almost 50 times Russia's total amount of elite science production, not just 50% more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Index
China produces slightly over 20% of the world's elite science while Russia produces slightly less than 0.45%.
BTW, Russia would have a higher-status position within Western civilization were it to join the EU, in which case its political influence there might be comparable to the Franco-Germans combined by virtue of its sheer population. Of course, as I previously said, breeding more, and especially high-quality, certainly helps improve Russia's relative position in the West. Russia's population disadvantage over China is something like 10:1. If Russia was a part of the West, though, then it could at least try playing off various Western countries against one another.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @John Johnson, @Ferraro1
I know. I meant to write 50x, not 50%. Which reinforces my point.
Nuclear weapons are supposed to deter. But ultimately it’s not worth getting 10Ms of Russians killed just to keep 5M within the Russian state (which has no grand prospects anyway at this point beyond provisioning relatively high quality biomass to GAE and maintaining a nice SWPL vibe in Moscow, SPB, and a dozen other minor cities).
Do you believe that Canada's future is likewise doomed? Because Canada in spite of it having much less people than Russia seems to be a huge success story:
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maximum-canada-is-happening
Why can't Russia copy what Canada is doing if Russians are unwilling to breed more, even if artificial wombs will eventually get developed and commercialized to the level that anyone could afford them?
Canada is accepting the equivalent of 1% or more of its total population in immigrants each year, and largely high-quality ones to boot. Or would you respond by saying that Russia, even its elite cities, would simply be less attractive than Canada is even after Russia is finished with its economic convergence?
(As a side note, I think that the US should accept more immigrants, especially but not only high-quality ones. But that's a separate discussion.)
Having a liberal, pro-Western Russia become a giant Eurasian version of Canada doesn't sound too bad, frankly, if high-quality non-Westerners were actually willing to move there en masse. Though I wonder what part of Europe's problem in attracting high-quality immigrants relative to the US/Anglosphere has to do with its laxer immigration policies rather than with Europe simply being a less attractive destination for immigrants in general.
Anyway, if Russians want to neither breed more nor accept a lot of immigrants, then they can become an East Slavic version of Japan. The populations are roughly comparable and Japanese, in spite of them being GAE-Lords, have considerable global cultural influence due to sushi, sake, sumo and judo wrestling, manga, and anime. Japan could have been its own unique civilizational pole had it permanently held onto South Korea and Taiwan, but these dreams are long gone for Japan, just like they likely will eventually be for Russia. Yet Japanese do not appear to significantly resent being junior partners of the US. (In theory, Russians shouldn't resent this either, given that Anglo-American aid might have very well saved their country from being conquered by Hitler back in 1941-1942, but who among them right now can remember that far back? Anyway, had Hitler won WWII, Eastern Slavs might have had a fate comparable to that of the Palestinians, with them being expelled en masse from their historic European homeland and becoming refugees in Siberia, Central Asia, et cetera, with Germany being as resistant to giving them and their descendants a right of return to the now-former European Eastern Slav lands as Israel is to giving Palestinian Arabs a right of return to Israel proper.)
Russians should embrace their new Japan-like fate by watching a Russia-themed anime called Seikon no Qwaser, which has a Russian main character (Alexander Nikolaevich Hell) that gains magical super-strong powers from sucking breast milk lol. Seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Qwaser_of_Stigmata
https://static.zerochan.net/Seikon.no.Qwaser.full.976143.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9F44a.jpgReplies: @Mr. XYZ
https://m.analyzingamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Screenshot-2021-05-19-101124.png
The PLO/BLM terror movement is truly borderless. France is burning for "Network BLM". Terror Without Borders 🇸🇩🌐🏳️🌈 EHC is operating in other European nations, such as Belgium, in support of the Jihad taking place in France.PEACE 😇
__________(1) https://ace.mu.nu/archives/405218.phpReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin
BLM is a de facto ethnonationalist Black movement, but one that cloaks itself in left-leaning liberation rhetoric, so much more respectable than more overt nationalist organizations like the Black Panthers.
How about Muslim MENA regions? No. BLM/PLO is not Nationalist... That Dog Will Not Hunt.PEACE 😇
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/34/6e/01/346e01609056c2bcc9d0f401099d30c1.jpg
The SPLC has become more sympathetic in its portrayal of black nationalists and/or black separatists after the death of George Floyd, for instance:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/10/08/equity-through-accuracy-changes-our-hate-map
https://www.splcenter.org/presscenter/splc-collapse-black-separatist-groups-listings-hate-map-reassigns-groups-according
For a nationalism to be prestigious in Woke lingo, it needs to be the identity of the oppressed, not that of the oppressors. In this regard, Russian nationalism currently fails miserably, being the identity of the oppressors of Ukrainians.
https://www.dw.com/en/back-to-roots-why-african-americans-are-flocking-to-ghana/a-64403580
But Ghana is poor (albeit extremely non-homicidal for a poor black country) and thus its attraction for BLM supporters might be less in comparison to a wealthier network state.
Also, as a side note, would you view the existence of huge numbers of network states as being comparable to what Germany had before 1789, if things like bitcoin had somehow magically already existed back then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinstaaterei#:~:text=The%20word%20Kleinstaaterei%20(German%3A%20%5B,the%20territorial%20fragmentation%20of%20Germany.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Map_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire%2C_1789_en.png/1280px-Map_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire%2C_1789_en.png
Germany was divided into hundreds of small states back then. (Italy was also divided, but not quite to the same degree/extent.) Seems like had these states survived into the present-day and embraced bitcoin, they could have become network states, no? They certainly have high and creative human capital due to their populations being made up of Hajnal Line Germans, no?
I wonder if Russia would have been better served in 1917 by doing to the Bolsheviks what the Germans did to the Spartacists later on in 1918-1919 and also by refusing to launch any new offensives until large numbers of American troops would have already arrived in Europe (such a promise was apparently what ended the French troop mutinies of 1917 in real life). And of course try to rally East Slavic public support for WWI by arguing that Russia is waging this war in order to reunify the East Slavic peoples under its own aegis so that it could bring over a humane version of socialism (not Communism) to all of them after the end of the war. Would not have hurt for Russia to try such moves, at least.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
We had these discussions before, this would have obviously been much better for near everyone in Eastern Europe. But things happened the way they did and GAE supremacy is programmed.
I think that what might have helped doom Russia was the fact that it didn't have a strong history of parliamentary/democratic government like the US, Britain, France, et cetera had. That might have made Russians more vulnerable and susceptible to radicalization in 1917 relative to people in the countries mentioned above. Of course, Russians didn't want the Bolsheviks, but not enough of them were actually willing to effectively fight against them (as Zinaida Gippus pointed out at the time of the Bolshevik coup in late 1917). It might be similar to why democracy in Germany was more vulnerable in the interwar era relative to France or the Anglo-American countries or even the Benelux countries or Scandinavia. Germany's history with democracy back then was not as thorough as that of the other countries mentioned above; Germany did get much more experience with democracy in the post-WWII decades, though.
It's quite interesting: In terms of both its government and its foreign policy towards the West, Russia appears to have had these oscillations throughout its history where it is more liberal and more pro-Western, and then the reverse, and vice versa, and then the reverse again. For instance, Russia was very chummy with Prussia and Austria in the early 19th century but subsequently waged WWI against them less than a century later. Russia was very chummy with the Entente in WWI but then the Bolshevik coup destroyed that. Russia was very chummy with the Western Allies during WWII but then the Cold War destroyed that. Russia was very chummy with the West in the 1990s and to some extent even until 2014, but then the Maidan Revolution and Russia's response to it destroyed that. And it's the same with politics: Alexander I was a relative liberal, followed by the conservative Nicholas I, followed by the more liberal Alexander II and then by the more conservative Alexander III and Nicholas II. Then Russia had a liberal period with the Provisional Government before getting relatively mild totalitarianism under Lenin and extremely severe totalitarianism under Stalin. Then there was a thaw under Khrushchev, additional repressions under Brezhnev, Andropov, and Chernenko, liberalization under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and then renewed repressions under Putin.
Why did Communism destroy the elite science-making potential of the Slav lands more severely than for the East Asian lands? Did the Slav lands simply suffer from much greater brain drain both post-WWI and post-Soviet collapse, or what?
My source for my data is here, FWIW:
https://www.nature.com/nature-index/annual-tables/2023/country/all/allReplies: @Mr. XYZ
BLM/PLO despite the “B” is not ethnonationalist due to its miscegenation with Arabian (non-Palestinian) genealogy.
Does BLM want an ethno-nation in sub-Saharan Africa? No.
How about Muslim MENA regions? No.
BLM/PLO is not Nationalist… That Dog Will Not Hunt.
PEACE 😇
Nuclear weapons are supposed to deter. But ultimately it's not worth getting 10Ms of Russians killed just to keep 5M within the Russian state (which has no grand prospects anyway at this point beyond provisioning relatively high quality biomass to GAE and maintaining a nice SWPL vibe in Moscow, SPB, and a dozen other minor cities).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
That’s the thing, though: Tens of millions of Russians are not guaranteed to get killed if China backs off after getting nuked. Though I suppose that one can argue that the risk of this is too high to actually warrant taking such a gamble in the first place.
Do you believe that Canada’s future is likewise doomed? Because Canada in spite of it having much less people than Russia seems to be a huge success story:
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maximum-canada-is-happening
Why can’t Russia copy what Canada is doing if Russians are unwilling to breed more, even if artificial wombs will eventually get developed and commercialized to the level that anyone could afford them?
Canada is accepting the equivalent of 1% or more of its total population in immigrants each year, and largely high-quality ones to boot. Or would you respond by saying that Russia, even its elite cities, would simply be less attractive than Canada is even after Russia is finished with its economic convergence?
(As a side note, I think that the US should accept more immigrants, especially but not only high-quality ones. But that’s a separate discussion.)
Having a liberal, pro-Western Russia become a giant Eurasian version of Canada doesn’t sound too bad, frankly, if high-quality non-Westerners were actually willing to move there en masse. Though I wonder what part of Europe’s problem in attracting high-quality immigrants relative to the US/Anglosphere has to do with its laxer immigration policies rather than with Europe simply being a less attractive destination for immigrants in general.
Anyway, if Russians want to neither breed more nor accept a lot of immigrants, then they can become an East Slavic version of Japan. The populations are roughly comparable and Japanese, in spite of them being GAE-Lords, have considerable global cultural influence due to sushi, sake, sumo and judo wrestling, manga, and anime. Japan could have been its own unique civilizational pole had it permanently held onto South Korea and Taiwan, but these dreams are long gone for Japan, just like they likely will eventually be for Russia. Yet Japanese do not appear to significantly resent being junior partners of the US. (In theory, Russians shouldn’t resent this either, given that Anglo-American aid might have very well saved their country from being conquered by Hitler back in 1941-1942, but who among them right now can remember that far back? Anyway, had Hitler won WWII, Eastern Slavs might have had a fate comparable to that of the Palestinians, with them being expelled en masse from their historic European homeland and becoming refugees in Siberia, Central Asia, et cetera, with Germany being as resistant to giving them and their descendants a right of return to the now-former European Eastern Slav lands as Israel is to giving Palestinian Arabs a right of return to Israel proper.)
Russians should embrace their new Japan-like fate by watching a Russia-themed anime called Seikon no Qwaser, which has a Russian main character (Alexander Nikolaevich Hell) that gains magical super-strong powers from sucking breast milk lol. Seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Qwaser_of_Stigmata
Yes, we know you don’t care about unarmed civilians.
If you did, you wouldn’t defend their killing in Mariupol and elsewhere in Donbas. What’s more, we all know that if those killings hadn’t been recorded in cell phones and posted on the internet for the world to see, you would now be denying that they ever took place. You don’t have the excuse of many Westerners who were too lazy to find out what was happening in that corner of Eastern Europe in 2014. You know the numbers, the sources and the circumstances but try to obfuscate them.
By defending the killing of unarmed civilians, you reveal your hypocrisy when you remind us of the missiles launched by the Russians against apartment buildings. As if shelling of civilian buildings with the result of thousands of innocents killed, according to the sources you know very well, was of much concern to you when done by the “right” side.
You can continue to post the videos of dying Russian soldiers you apparently jerk off to as much as you want but don’t pretend to feel any outrage at the killing of innocent civilians because you have been exposed as a hypocrite: the very same OHCHR report that you keep citing details not only civilian deaths but also torture, arbitrary detention and disappearances at the hands of both the Ukrainians and the separatists. You can’t have possibly failed to read that crucial part.
You see? I don’t have to invent any false defense of any dictator to address your comments like you do with mine. Your defense of the dwarf clown Che Zelensky is very transparent, as is the defense of all the atrocities committed by Kiev before this war, that you keep trying to find excuses for.
And learn to use the blockquote tags!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualtiesThat president fled to Russia and here is a statement from his own pro-Russian party:In a statement issued by Oleksandr Yefremov, parliamentary faction leader, the party and its members "strongly condemn[ed] the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire world
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/9982So they believe he shot the protestors and stole from the government. Do you believe his own party was wrong? Is your position that he was innocent or that he should have stayed in power even though he had a multi-million dollar mansion on a $2k a month salary? Which is it?Replies: @Mikel, @LatW
I think that it also helps that they’re a nationalist movement for a historically oppressed group, which makes them more prestigious than a nationalist movement for a historical oppressor group. Zionism before 1967 (when the occupation of the West Bank, et cetera began) was likewise prestigious in the West, I suspect, as is Ukrainian nationalism right now (Ukrainian nationalism might have been less prestigious in the West in the past due to memories of UPA massacres against Poles and Jews during WWII, but that’s being more forgotten nowadays due to the passage of time and Russians victimizing Ukrainians right now on a regular basis).
The SPLC has become more sympathetic in its portrayal of black nationalists and/or black separatists after the death of George Floyd, for instance:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/10/08/equity-through-accuracy-changes-our-hate-map
https://www.splcenter.org/presscenter/splc-collapse-black-separatist-groups-listings-hate-map-reassigns-groups-according
For a nationalism to be prestigious in Woke lingo, it needs to be the identity of the oppressed, not that of the oppressors. In this regard, Russian nationalism currently fails miserably, being the identity of the oppressors of Ukrainians.
Well, even as someone who loves GAE, I would have preferred that it become supreme with much less bloodshed and suffering, you know? (Though worth noting that GAE itself did not actually cause this bloodshed and suffering; Nazi Germany was not a part of GAE, after all, and neither were either Fascist Italy or Imperial Japan.)
I think that what might have helped doom Russia was the fact that it didn’t have a strong history of parliamentary/democratic government like the US, Britain, France, et cetera had. That might have made Russians more vulnerable and susceptible to radicalization in 1917 relative to people in the countries mentioned above. Of course, Russians didn’t want the Bolsheviks, but not enough of them were actually willing to effectively fight against them (as Zinaida Gippus pointed out at the time of the Bolshevik coup in late 1917). It might be similar to why democracy in Germany was more vulnerable in the interwar era relative to France or the Anglo-American countries or even the Benelux countries or Scandinavia. Germany’s history with democracy back then was not as thorough as that of the other countries mentioned above; Germany did get much more experience with democracy in the post-WWII decades, though.
It’s quite interesting: In terms of both its government and its foreign policy towards the West, Russia appears to have had these oscillations throughout its history where it is more liberal and more pro-Western, and then the reverse, and vice versa, and then the reverse again. For instance, Russia was very chummy with Prussia and Austria in the early 19th century but subsequently waged WWI against them less than a century later. Russia was very chummy with the Entente in WWI but then the Bolshevik coup destroyed that. Russia was very chummy with the Western Allies during WWII but then the Cold War destroyed that. Russia was very chummy with the West in the 1990s and to some extent even until 2014, but then the Maidan Revolution and Russia’s response to it destroyed that. And it’s the same with politics: Alexander I was a relative liberal, followed by the conservative Nicholas I, followed by the more liberal Alexander II and then by the more conservative Alexander III and Nicholas II. Then Russia had a liberal period with the Provisional Government before getting relatively mild totalitarianism under Lenin and extremely severe totalitarianism under Stalin. Then there was a thaw under Khrushchev, additional repressions under Brezhnev, Andropov, and Chernenko, liberalization under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and then renewed repressions under Putin.
There were lots of fine points post-USSR. I think the basic idea that Russia would protect Ukraine… as long as Russia was not attacked is clear. Since Ukraine was used to attack Russia the whole thing is void!
When it comes to EU elite science production, though, the Franco-Germans definitely punch above their weight:
https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/map-nature-index-cities-europe-2017.png
Other Germanic countries also punch above their weight in regards to this. The Mediterraneans and especially Eastern Europeans unsurprisingly significantly underperform in regards to this relative to their average IQs. I wonder just how much of their underperformance in regards to this is due to brain drain. Russia, for instance, was brain-drained both during the Russian Civil War and again during the 1990s.
What's interesting is that ex-Communist East Germany does not appear to perform too badly, which further suggests that Germans and Germanics in general have a creativity and/or curiosity advantage relative to Southern and Eastern Europeans.
It's a similar story with European patent applications:
https://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/nuts2-patents.jpg
Are a lot of Southern and/or Eastern Europeans moving abroad and filing patents outside of their home countries? Or are they just naturally less creative and inventive?
In regards to the US, it's a similar story: Most of the US's elite science production is concentrated in the BosWash megalopolis, California, or the Chicago area:
https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/map-nature-index-cities-north-america-2017.png
The Southern, interior Western, and Midwestern US outside of Chicago don't produce all that much elite science relative to the areas mentioned above, and I suspect that some or even a lot of the elite science that they do produce could be the result of people from the areas mentioned above moving to these areas in search of better job opportunities.Replies: @Wokechoke
Huh, well France and Germany certainly constitute the core of the forerunner of the EU the EEC. The EU including Poland and Romania etc is going to be trouble. It is a FrancoGerman Empire. London Cambridge and Oxford constitute an intellectually competitive environment that we don’t see outside of Cambridge Mass or San Fran. Could be international cognitive elites but the UK is Sui generis in terms of useful stuff that no one ever monetizes domestically.
Swiss must have some kind of patent office specialty though. Did Einstein work in a Swiss patent office?
Best joke of the day.
So Russia launches missiles at apartments in Kiev and sends a 40 mile column towards the capital as part of a plan to completely take over the country.
All in self-defense? Defense against whom exactly?
You are saying Prighozhin is wrong?
"the war was based on lies, it was about egos. Ukraine was never a threat to the country." - PrigozhinReplies: @QCIC
I think the USA and West wanted to take Russia down since the early 1990’s and have accepted nuclear war to achieve this goal.
Prigozhin has as little agency as Zelensky. He seems like a puppet being worked by several different masters.
The colonists.
Btw only 13 of around 24 colonies in North America rebelled.
Not all in the 13 that did rebel wanted separation. We also have an example of a revolutionary hero of heroes like Benedict Arnold decide that the colonies were making a mistake and ought to rejoin the Empire. He tended to sour on the project when he saw well connected Massholes and Connecticut Mafia get nepotistic with all the plum jobs in the Army and civil administration.
The battle of Kings Mountain in the south was largely a civil war between rebellious backwoodsmen and loyalist landowners/township residents.
I do wonder what happens to Louisiana Territory, Florida, Texas, and Alta California long-term in such a scenario, though. It would be a shame if Britain would have failed to eventually acquire them. The situation in the latter territories mentioned above are ideal for Latin Americans right now: A ginormous Latin American cultural scene, but significantly wealthier and astronomically less homicidal than Latin America itself is. Quite a winning combo!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Hispanic_population_in_the_United_States_and_the_former_Mexican-American_border.png
In theory, were the Southwestern US hungry for secession from the US so that it could join Mexico, I don't think that the US should oppose them. However, I think that such a move would be disastrous for them, even for their Latin Americans.
I call the post-1950 demographic changes in the Southwestern US (and Florida) Latin Americans' revenge, similar to how Kazakhs and other Central Asians (to a lesser extent) are gradually undoing the Russification of their territories over the last several decades but especially since the 1991 Soviet collapse and break-up. Kazakhstan is likely to end up becoming around 80% Kazakh or so in the long-run, I suspect. A return to its 19th century ethnic demographics, if you will.
Seems like Slavs initially settled in northern Kazakhstan in huge numbers because that's by far the most wheat-productive territory there:
https://ipad.fas.usda.gov/rssiws/al/crop_production_maps/Kazakhstan/Kazakhstan_Wheat.jpg
Quite a few thought of themselves simply as 'English' at the time of the 1776 Revolution and were still quite attached to the English motherland, particularly in the Carolinas.
The civil war angle between Tory and Whig of the Revolution is interesting, though I think there is more to it.
One thing that is particularly intriguing is how the radical Whigs of London had adopted the colors of Washington's army uniforms, ie buff and blue, as their official party colors during the Revolution. They would openly wear these colors (as pieces of cloth pinned to their outer clothing) in London to demonstrate support in real time for the American revolutionary armies in the field without official sanction or penalty for doing so (!). Lady Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire, wrote of this and did so herself.
The first two years (1775-77) of near complete inactivity on the British army's part in North America to suppress the rebellion, which greatly upset the resident colonial Loyalists, is sometimes thought of as a last olive branch by the Brits to the revolutionaries, but I see it perhaps more of a sign that there were powerful (largely Masonic/Whig?) elements within the British establishment which wanted the rebellion to have time and space to succesfully take root.
Anyhow, time for a break and a less serious look at British politics from the era of George III which only a certain comedian can offer :-) :
https://youtu.be/h6mJw50OdZ4
I think the followers view it your way, but not the founders. It got a lot of traction solely through help from our (((White))) EHC, but it looks like a very flimsy coalition.
Gandhi’s ‘Quit India’ movement saw not more than 60,000 people court arrest nationally. In Auugust 1983, the Tribune estimated ~150,000 volunteers had been arrested a year into the Akali Dal’s Dharam Yudh Morcha.
Indians like yourself – if Georgians hadn’t sperged there’d be a Panjabi colony there.
The Indian diaspora shifting to Russia would be better anyway.
RusFed supporting Kirpan would put pressure on EU as well.
Russian scientific literature is more relevant for India atm. (Soviet era, literally).
India is headed toward a one party state after de-limitation so it can build industry.
BJP-dominated states are likely to double their share of seats in the new distribution.
Not all in the 13 that did rebel wanted separation. We also have an example of a revolutionary hero of heroes like Benedict Arnold decide that the colonies were making a mistake and ought to rejoin the Empire. He tended to sour on the project when he saw well connected Massholes and Connecticut Mafia get nepotistic with all the plum jobs in the Army and civil administration.
The battle of Kings Mountain in the south was largely a civil war between rebellious backwoodsmen and loyalist landowners/township residents.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @S
Intermarium’s population roughly rivals that of the Franco-Germans. However, they produce astronomically less elite science and patents than the Franco-Germans do. Intermarium is roughly comparable to American Southern whites. The Southern US also has a notable achievement gap relative to the Northern US:
http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2010/06/united-states-north-south-achievement.html

Again, current US elite science production shows something similar to this, but with a much greater role for California due to its absolutely gigantic post-1900 population explosion:
Please see my post #480 here. I responded to you there. I accidentally responded to the wrong person.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/race-real-estate-oak-park-chicago/
I'm quite open about the fact that I prefer to live in areas with a single-digit black percentage. Any exceptions to this rule would need to involve exceptional blacks, such as Frisco, Texas, which is barely double-digit black but apparently has the smartest black students in the US, according to Steve Sailer. I do feel slightly bad about this but I simply acknowledge that my own safety comes first and that I prefer not to live in a gated community and probably wouldn't be able to afford to live in one anyway. (Though one of my dad's friends does live in a gated community. It's nice, but again, not exactly for me short of extreme desperation.) The EU or US or China or India can't fulfill this role, at least if it would have actually had the desire to do this? Their odds of success strike me as higher than for Russia since all of them have much more people relative to Russia, even relative to a Russia that would include both Ukraine and Belarus. (And in the case of the US, it is still capable of attracting high-quality immigrants well into the future.) That makes it even more pathetic for Russia, losing to a GAE-Lord (pronounced "gaylord").
As a side note, the EU can be a type of empire in its own right, a junior partner to the US but still a quite impressive world-empire. Some people in the EU do appear to have such a mentality:
https://twitter.com/europeanpan?lang=en
In any case, Pan-Europeanism is inherently more respectable than Russian nationalism since 500 million mostly high-quality people can achieve more than 200 million mostly high-quality people can, at least if they will put equal amounts of effort per person to the relevant tasks. Is AGI going to render network states moot as well? I suspect that Russia will use its nukes against China before giving up Vladivostok, let alone anything else. After all, having Russia use its nukes would have a chance of producing a Chinese retreat, while not having Russia use its nukes would make its nukes pretty much worthless and would guarantee a loss for Russia (though would also reduce the risk of MAD, unless of course the West and China decide to nuke each other on Russian territory, in which case Russia would be fucked).
BTW, China has almost 50 times Russia's total amount of elite science production, not just 50% more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Index
China produces slightly over 20% of the world's elite science while Russia produces slightly less than 0.45%.
BTW, Russia would have a higher-status position within Western civilization were it to join the EU, in which case its political influence there might be comparable to the Franco-Germans combined by virtue of its sheer population. Of course, as I previously said, breeding more, and especially high-quality, certainly helps improve Russia's relative position in the West. Russia's population disadvantage over China is something like 10:1. If Russia was a part of the West, though, then it could at least try playing off various Western countries against one another.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @John Johnson, @Ferraro1
Yeah, AFAICT, high-IQ people might rhetorically signal support for BLM but generally prefer to live in areas that have few blacks
High-IQ people? I think you mean people.
No one lives in areas with concentrations of Blacks by choice.
When Black rappers get wealthy they immediately move to a gated community that is lilly White.
They don’t wait around to see what their brothas have in store for them.
I've heard that some blacks are happy that their areas have high crime rates because it keeps property values low, which helps if they are personally renters rather than homeowners. Of course, this extremely high crime rate also tragically significantly increases their own risk of getting murdered.
I love Hispanic areas because they are cheaper than white areas but nowhere near as homicidal as black areas. And they also have great Latin American culture! I prefer not to go into Hispanic areas at night, but at daytime, they're great places to go to! The Russian equivalent of this would probably be Central Asian areas. The British equivalent I guess would be non-Muslim Indian areas.
BTW, did you know that among the US black community, there's a saying along these lines?: "Snitches get stitches!" That's why US black homicides have significantly lower clearance rates than US non-black homicides.Replies: @John Johnson
Not all in the 13 that did rebel wanted separation. We also have an example of a revolutionary hero of heroes like Benedict Arnold decide that the colonies were making a mistake and ought to rejoin the Empire. He tended to sour on the project when he saw well connected Massholes and Connecticut Mafia get nepotistic with all the plum jobs in the Army and civil administration.
The battle of Kings Mountain in the south was largely a civil war between rebellious backwoodsmen and loyalist landowners/township residents.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @S
If Britain had won the ACW, Americans and Canadians would likely currently be a part of a single country and naturalized US citizens would likely be able to lead the US right now just like with Canada. So, Yeah, there actually is a very strong case that rebelling against Britain back in the 1770s was a mistake on the part of the Americans.
I do wonder what happens to Louisiana Territory, Florida, Texas, and Alta California long-term in such a scenario, though. It would be a shame if Britain would have failed to eventually acquire them. The situation in the latter territories mentioned above are ideal for Latin Americans right now: A ginormous Latin American cultural scene, but significantly wealthier and astronomically less homicidal than Latin America itself is. Quite a winning combo!
In theory, were the Southwestern US hungry for secession from the US so that it could join Mexico, I don’t think that the US should oppose them. However, I think that such a move would be disastrous for them, even for their Latin Americans.
I call the post-1950 demographic changes in the Southwestern US (and Florida) Latin Americans’ revenge, similar to how Kazakhs and other Central Asians (to a lesser extent) are gradually undoing the Russification of their territories over the last several decades but especially since the 1991 Soviet collapse and break-up. Kazakhstan is likely to end up becoming around 80% Kazakh or so in the long-run, I suspect. A return to its 19th century ethnic demographics, if you will.
Seems like Slavs initially settled in northern Kazakhstan in huge numbers because that’s by far the most wheat-productive territory there:
Prigozhin has as little agency as Zelensky. He seems like a puppet being worked by several different masters.Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean
I think the USA and West wanted to take Russia down since the early 1990’s and have accepted nuclear war to achieve this goal.
And why would either side want nuclear war when it would wipe out both sides in any first strike scenario and potentially destroy living conditions for all humans for thousands of years? Are you familiar with the concept of nuclear winter? Irreversible biodestruction?
Do explain why they would support suicide and potential destruction of the biodome as the primary method of defeating Russia.
Prigozhin has as little agency as Zelensky. He seems like a puppet being worked by several different masters.
He may be a scumbag but he is his own man with his own opinions.
He isn’t afraid to face a camera and tell the world what he really thinks. Putin is a coward that is terrified of frank talk.
Putin was a fool to keep his emergency services manager in charge of the military. Shoigu has zero military experience and you can see his lack of confidence when he talks. His medals are all fake.
Putin made a terrible decision to not increase weapon supplies for Wagner. Really stupid but good for Ukraine.
Prigozhin understood the situation and yet Putin chose to back Shoigu.
If Putin had a clue he would put Prighozhin in charge of the entire war and stay out of it. His Jewish chef is his best general which means Russian officer schools are mostly bullshit.
Prigozhin most likely played both Ukraine and Putin. It’s pathetic to see Putin’s defenders tell us that he handled the situation by giving Wagner some free R&R while the counter-offensive is just getting started. LOL take that Wagner! And it wouldn’t surprise me if Prigozhin wrangled some CIA bitcoin bucks as well. All his actions from the last month smell of playing Putin. He isn’t a puppet.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x75fh8
The West apparently thought they had enough military, economic and nuclear advantage to pressure Russia beyond the point which would have led to nuclear war in the 1980s when the USSR was still intact. In other words, the West was doing things they knew would lead to nuclear war if similar things had been tried as recently as the 1980s. Russia responded mildly to most of these Western provocations for decades while rebuilding her strength in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. After dropping out of the ABM Treaty, the West continued threatening with terror attacks on Russian civilians by putting missile sites in Eastern Europe and bringing out the advanced warhead 'super fuse' and new versions of the B61 bomb (some versions apparently are still based in European NATO countries).
Now we have a situation where the USA and the West are continuing the provocations while Russia has rebuilt her military capabilities back up to a high level. Her nuclear forces are at or above parity and conventional forces are fine for a defensive campaign near her border. So the West has put us close to the point of nuclear war. It may be tactical or strategic, who knows?Replies: @John Johnson
Yes, we know you don’t care about unarmed civilians.
And once again avoiding the question about Mexican separatists as we both know your position is contradictory.
As for civilians I’m not the one cheering a needless war and making excuses for a dwarf dictator who launches cheap Iranian drones at neighborhoods that are over 300 miles from the front. Did you support the attack on the pizza restaurant that killed the twin girls?
When this war started the Putin defenders told me that his missile attacks on Kiev were actually directed at military targets even though we watched them his apartment buildings. That was after they told me that he won’t invade and it was all a CIA conspiracy. You can trust a dwarf who poisons the opposition and locks up journalists for asking questions. He would never lie.
You don’t have the excuse of many Westerners who were too lazy to find out what was happening in that corner of Eastern Europe in 2014. You know the numbers, the sources and the circumstances but try to obfuscate them.
What happened is that you bought into a pro-Putin narrative on the events of 2014 and do not one to move one inch from what is really an emotional position.
The protestors killed in the 2014 Maidan revolution were shot by government snipers under pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualties
That president fled to Russia and here is a statement from his own pro-Russian party:
In a statement issued by Oleksandr Yefremov, parliamentary faction leader, the party and its members “strongly condemn[ed] the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire world
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/9982
So they believe he shot the protestors and stole from the government.
Do you believe his own party was wrong?
Is your position that he was innocent or that he should have stayed in power even though he had a multi-million dollar mansion on a $2k a month salary? Which is it?
However, being a warporn wanker dummy is no excuse for trying to find justifications to the killing of unarmed civilians in a far away country. In the particular case of Mariupol in 2014 even the British MSM reported on them. In this ITV News clip the dramatic images we all saw at the time are sanitized but the facts are clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5H9S2pv08Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP, @John Johnson
Your interlocutor doesn't know the language - he mistakenly believes that by katsap the Ukrainians mean Eastern Ukrainians, the inhabitants of Donbas. This is inaccurate. A katsap is an ethnic Russian from Russia (or a Russian national from Russia who has transgressed on the Ukrainian territory, such as the infamous "green men" in 2014 or the occupying troops now). A Donbaser who is a separatist and who colludes with the so called "Russian world" ideology and who calls for the Russian military to occupy Ukraine and who fights against the Ukrainian state (or even the "regime"), is not a katsap but a separ.
An ethnic Ukrainian or an ethnic Russian born in Donbas who is pro-Russian is a separ but not a katsap. Only a so called velikoros can be a katsap.
So when Timoshenko said something along the lines of "let's wipe out the katsaps" (tbh, I don't recall such a quote, I do recall her saying something like "let's even them with the ground" or similar, and that was clearly meant against the Russian troops) - she didn't mean to destroy Donbas, but to wipe out the foreign clandestine (and not so clandestine) troops and those who collaborate with them. Until 2014 they never called for any aggression against the Eastern population (which was always mixed, btw, a lot of pro-Ukrainian Donbasers were forced to flee). A shidnyak (an Easterner, someone who lives in Kharkiv or Dnipro or the Donbas area) is not a katsap, but just a native Ukrainian from the East who may or may not have been Russified in the last couple of generations, but whose family has lived there for hundreds of years.
And, btw, yesterday, the katsaps murdered a 95 year old woman in Lviv, in her own home. Along with children and several other civilians. This woman survived WWII, but she was not lucky enough to survive katsaps in 2023.
Don't even expect these Putinist shitheads here to ever bother mentioning that.Replies: @Mikel
But Anatoly, you’re a self admitted racist.
Make it make sense please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualtiesThat president fled to Russia and here is a statement from his own pro-Russian party:In a statement issued by Oleksandr Yefremov, parliamentary faction leader, the party and its members "strongly condemn[ed] the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire world
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/9982So they believe he shot the protestors and stole from the government. Do you believe his own party was wrong? Is your position that he was innocent or that he should have stayed in power even though he had a multi-million dollar mansion on a $2k a month salary? Which is it?Replies: @Mikel, @LatW
I am sorry, I made a mistake with you. I thought that you were using the “you are a Putin defender” line as a childish provocation but you seem to seriously believe that I not only defend Putin but corrupt oligarch Yanukovich as well (!), which explains why you don’t know how to use the blockquote button. Mystery solved.
However, being a warporn wanker dummy is no excuse for trying to find justifications to the killing of unarmed civilians in a far away country. In the particular case of Mariupol in 2014 even the British MSM reported on them. In this ITV News clip the dramatic images we all saw at the time are sanitized but the facts are clear:
Clearly it wasn't Ukrainians just shooting at unarmed civilians, but armed gangs fighting against the government.
According to the UN, there were indeed many cases of crimes by Ukrainian forces. But when you mix those legitimate cases of crimes, with a dishonest presentation about the nature of what happened in Mariupol, you lose credibility.
You never answered Johnson's question btw,. If armed Mexican-American separatists (and some Mexican adventurers) seized government buildings in New Mexico or Arizona in order to declare a Mexican state or union with Mexico, would the US government use force to take them back? Should they? Even if doing so led to civilian deaths because these buildings are in the middle of large cities? Or would they just let them keep the buildings?Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ
Ok so you acknowledge that Yanukovich was corrupt and his removal was not a coup?
Well that puts you at odds with Putin defenders here that maintain the entire mess was started because the CIA or some other foreign organization removed the corrupt pro-Russian president through a conspiracy backed coup with the implication that it was against the will of the people.Replies: @Mikel, @AP
Anatoly 2.0 is not a prejudiced bigot, but a POC-friendly EHC-enthusiast. It’s the current year…
Nuclear weapons are supposed to deter. But ultimately it's not worth getting 10Ms of Russians killed just to keep 5M within the Russian state (which has no grand prospects anyway at this point beyond provisioning relatively high quality biomass to GAE and maintaining a nice SWPL vibe in Moscow, SPB, and a dozen other minor cities).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Also, as a side note, would you apply the same logic in regards to NATO hypothetically intervening directly in the Ukraine War in order to help Ukraine reconquer all of its lost territories, including Crimea and the Donbass, and subsequently possibly ethnically cleansing them? After all, preventing the ethnic cleansing of several million Crimean and Donbass Russians wouldn’t even remotely justify risking the killing of tens of millions of Russians in a nuclear Holocaust, right? (And let’s face it: Unlike Vladivostok, Crimea and Donbass are not even internationally recognized Russian territories.)
In spite of your logic here, however, the West is still sufficiently wary of the risk of nuclear war to directly get involved in the Ukraine War unless perhaps Russia itself does something extraordinarily brash, such as using nuclear and/or chemical weapons in Ukraine. This suggests that the West is likewise cautious with taking risks and that Russia isn’t the only country whom your logic applies (or should apply) to. Of course, if one applied your logic to China, then having a hostile Russia next door, even one with US bases, would still be way superior to risking the killing of tens of millions or, possibly more likely, hundreds of millions of Chinese in a nuclear Holocaust as a part of a successful effort on China’s part to conquer and vassalize Russia. It’s literally not even close. A China that endures those kinds of losses as a result of a nuclear war might very well subsequently experience a successful revolution since even the CCP’s totalitarianism has its limits. The CCP obviously does not want to risk a revolution in China and thus likely does not want to risk a nuclear war, even when confronted with a hostile Russia with US bases right next door to it.
When exactly did Ukrainian troops cross the border over into Russia?
The threats included dropping out of NUCLEAR WEAPONS TREATIES, moving NATO closer to Russia, creating turmoil in Russian border countries and finally starting a civil war against Russian sympathizers in a historically Russian region a hundred miles from the border. Huh, I'm surprised Russia even noticed. /sarc.
Wow, it is hard to imagine they took up arms and crossed the border to intervene. It is shocking really, shocking I tell you. /sarc.
You guys are MORONS. The West is pushing for nuclear war against Russia and you expect her to go by playground rules?
You seem to think WW3 or nuclear war or combat with other WMDs are tiddlywinks and therefore it is valid for you to make up excuses and loopholes to rationalize why this is not entirely caused by the West.
I am still waiting for some mention of any Russian provocation by Russia 1993-2014 which would give a hint of justification for NATO going down the course of nuclear war with Russia. I'm sure there are one or two, but in 50,ooo words of blatantly dishonest gibberish you idiots have not mentioned a single one.Replies: @AP
https://akarlin.com/archive/ratwiki/
Both of these quotes of his are from before his recent “open borders” conversion, though.
However, being a warporn wanker dummy is no excuse for trying to find justifications to the killing of unarmed civilians in a far away country. In the particular case of Mariupol in 2014 even the British MSM reported on them. In this ITV News clip the dramatic images we all saw at the time are sanitized but the facts are clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5H9S2pv08Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP, @John Johnson
We are to believe that 2014 wasn’t a coup in Ukraine. ITN did a solid bit of reporting there. Mariupol isn’t Ukraine to be sure after seeing that.
Wagner…isnt it still run by Jews and Queers?
Prigozhin has as little agency as Zelensky. He seems like a puppet being worked by several different masters.Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean
Prigozhin: plausible Jew who wins the confidence of the powers that be to achieve towering status then has his dizzyingly rapid ascent (and a lot of coke) go to his head, whereupon he sticks his neck out like a giraffe. Zelensky: ditto.
(This is not my original.)Replies: @Sean
Lower-IQ people, especially blacks, and white gentrifiers might be OK with living next to (low-IQ) blacks. Everyone else? Probably not so much.
I’ve heard that some blacks are happy that their areas have high crime rates because it keeps property values low, which helps if they are personally renters rather than homeowners. Of course, this extremely high crime rate also tragically significantly increases their own risk of getting murdered.
I love Hispanic areas because they are cheaper than white areas but nowhere near as homicidal as black areas. And they also have great Latin American culture! I prefer not to go into Hispanic areas at night, but at daytime, they’re great places to go to! The Russian equivalent of this would probably be Central Asian areas. The British equivalent I guess would be non-Muslim Indian areas.
BTW, did you know that among the US black community, there’s a saying along these lines?: “Snitches get stitches!” That’s why US black homicides have significantly lower clearance rates than US non-black homicides.
Do you believe that Canada's future is likewise doomed? Because Canada in spite of it having much less people than Russia seems to be a huge success story:
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maximum-canada-is-happening
Why can't Russia copy what Canada is doing if Russians are unwilling to breed more, even if artificial wombs will eventually get developed and commercialized to the level that anyone could afford them?
Canada is accepting the equivalent of 1% or more of its total population in immigrants each year, and largely high-quality ones to boot. Or would you respond by saying that Russia, even its elite cities, would simply be less attractive than Canada is even after Russia is finished with its economic convergence?
(As a side note, I think that the US should accept more immigrants, especially but not only high-quality ones. But that's a separate discussion.)
Having a liberal, pro-Western Russia become a giant Eurasian version of Canada doesn't sound too bad, frankly, if high-quality non-Westerners were actually willing to move there en masse. Though I wonder what part of Europe's problem in attracting high-quality immigrants relative to the US/Anglosphere has to do with its laxer immigration policies rather than with Europe simply being a less attractive destination for immigrants in general.
Anyway, if Russians want to neither breed more nor accept a lot of immigrants, then they can become an East Slavic version of Japan. The populations are roughly comparable and Japanese, in spite of them being GAE-Lords, have considerable global cultural influence due to sushi, sake, sumo and judo wrestling, manga, and anime. Japan could have been its own unique civilizational pole had it permanently held onto South Korea and Taiwan, but these dreams are long gone for Japan, just like they likely will eventually be for Russia. Yet Japanese do not appear to significantly resent being junior partners of the US. (In theory, Russians shouldn't resent this either, given that Anglo-American aid might have very well saved their country from being conquered by Hitler back in 1941-1942, but who among them right now can remember that far back? Anyway, had Hitler won WWII, Eastern Slavs might have had a fate comparable to that of the Palestinians, with them being expelled en masse from their historic European homeland and becoming refugees in Siberia, Central Asia, et cetera, with Germany being as resistant to giving them and their descendants a right of return to the now-former European Eastern Slav lands as Israel is to giving Palestinian Arabs a right of return to Israel proper.)
Russians should embrace their new Japan-like fate by watching a Russia-themed anime called Seikon no Qwaser, which has a Russian main character (Alexander Nikolaevich Hell) that gains magical super-strong powers from sucking breast milk lol. Seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Qwaser_of_Stigmata
https://static.zerochan.net/Seikon.no.Qwaser.full.976143.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9F44a.jpgReplies: @Mr. XYZ
BTW, in response to this part:
Small-state nationalists seek to ally with others who share similar views so that they could achieve more, similar to how small network-states seek to ally with others who share similar views. By itself, a small nation-states won’t be able to accomplish much, but in combination with other nation-states, both big and small, it can achieve quite a lot. As I previously said, the EU has significantly higher potential than Russia has. It has to, by virtue of its much higher population relative to Russia and comparable levels of average human capital. And I don’t think that the EU’s smartest 5% are significantly duller than their Russian counterparts.
The main threats to Russia were capability not action. In many cases this is preparation to gradually move forces directly on Russian borders over time. Unlike the good old days you people live in (retarded fantasy land), in the MAD world threats and capability are extremely important. MAD = Mutually Assured Destruction.
The threats included dropping out of NUCLEAR WEAPONS TREATIES, moving NATO closer to Russia, creating turmoil in Russian border countries and finally starting a civil war against Russian sympathizers in a historically Russian region a hundred miles from the border. Huh, I’m surprised Russia even noticed. /sarc.
Wow, it is hard to imagine they took up arms and crossed the border to intervene. It is shocking really, shocking I tell you. /sarc.
You guys are MORONS. The West is pushing for nuclear war against Russia and you expect her to go by playground rules?
You seem to think WW3 or nuclear war or combat with other WMDs are tiddlywinks and therefore it is valid for you to make up excuses and loopholes to rationalize why this is not entirely caused by the West.
I am still waiting for some mention of any Russian provocation by Russia 1993-2014 which would give a hint of justification for NATO going down the course of nuclear war with Russia. I’m sure there are one or two, but in 50,ooo words of blatantly dishonest gibberish you idiots have not mentioned a single one.
That's the kind of person you are. A bloodthirsty one who supports and makes excuses for war and invasion. You still haven't shown Ukraine going into Russia's borders.
But Russia went into Ukraine's borders.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
The threats included dropping out of NUCLEAR WEAPONS TREATIES, moving NATO closer to Russia, creating turmoil in Russian border countries and finally starting a civil war against Russian sympathizers in a historically Russian region a hundred miles from the border. Huh, I'm surprised Russia even noticed. /sarc.
Wow, it is hard to imagine they took up arms and crossed the border to intervene. It is shocking really, shocking I tell you. /sarc.
You guys are MORONS. The West is pushing for nuclear war against Russia and you expect her to go by playground rules?
You seem to think WW3 or nuclear war or combat with other WMDs are tiddlywinks and therefore it is valid for you to make up excuses and loopholes to rationalize why this is not entirely caused by the West.
I am still waiting for some mention of any Russian provocation by Russia 1993-2014 which would give a hint of justification for NATO going down the course of nuclear war with Russia. I'm sure there are one or two, but in 50,ooo words of blatantly dishonest gibberish you idiots have not mentioned a single one.Replies: @AP
I’m glad that you admit that you do not find it shocking that Russia crossed into another country’s borders and annexed that country’s territory. A country that did not invade Russia or do anything within Russian territory.
That’s the kind of person you are. A bloodthirsty one who supports and makes excuses for war and invasion.
You still haven’t shown Ukraine going into Russia’s borders.
But Russia went into Ukraine’s borders.
-Russian diplomats formally complained about NATO expansion for decades.
-Russia put down armed rebellion in Chechnya at great cost.
-Russia protected Abkhazia and South Ossetia using military force.
-After patient attempts at negotiation with the West over crucial nuclear MAD concerns had failed, Russia developed new, extremely dangerous nuclear weapons to protect itself from the West.
-Russia worked diligently to make her economy resistant to sanctions after 2014.
-After Maidan, moves by the Kiev government led to civil war and combat in Eastern Ukraine which includes well documented Ukrainian shelling of civilian targets in Russian-speaking areas.
-Modern followers of Bandera and other self-avowed NeoNAZIs have a measure of public acceptability in Ukraine.
With these points in mind,
Please tell me you were not surprised when Russia moved troops into Ukraine to resolve what she sees as existential military threats by the West against Russia.
Please tell me you understand the concept of "The Red line that shall not be crossed without consequences". Western meddling in Ukraine was that red line for Russia. The USA and the West and Ukrainian politicians crossed this line. Russia is implementing the consequences.
If Ukraine ends up being predictably destroyed, will you accept that you were mistaken about this post-Cold War struggle between the West and Russia? Or will you double-down and make more excuses for Ukraine and the West and continue to ignore the big picture which is readily visible to articulate adults such as yourself?Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
Russia has been backward for half a millennium, and in the Russo-Japanese War it became the first European state to be defeated by a non white one, after which on on a long term perspective it has been on the retreat and increasingly Russian nationalist . If Japan had joined in the attack on it the Soviet Union would have not stood a chance in WW2. The Western players, Japan and China have non replacement birthrates. The West has non European immigration at replacement levels and rising. No worries about imperialist Barbarossa wars of conquest from any quarter for Russia. Only India’s population is rising, and it is a natural ally of Russia. Moreover, both India and the West are worried about China’s growth in productive capacity and burgeoning technical capabilities making it dominant in the future.
The Ukraine war and China’s skillful use of it to become closer to Russia means the West can no longer count on Russia preferring the West to China. Neither the West or China could stand for the other incorporating Russia by force into what would be a world dominating superstate. I think Russia is currently in the soup, but that is laying the basis for it being enviably placed in the distant future. Russia will be able to go either way (over to the other blok), if it feels it is being bullied, and both power bloks need it enough that one day–when it is decision time–they will be competing in generosity toward Russia in order to get it in their camp.
The USSR severely whupped Japan, with the latter no longer wanting to challenge the former, in addition to having other concerns elsewhere.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Italo-Ethiopian_War
My takeaway from this is that if Euro-peoples in general had foresworn empire, say by mid-19th century, and had not been so keen to simply give away their advanced military technology to non-Euros, debacles such as the First Italo-Ethiopian War and the Russo-Japanese War would likely not have occurred in the first place.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Italian_prisoners_Ethiopia_1897.jpg
Italian POW's under Ethiopian guard.
'Because this was one of the first decisive victories by African forces over a European colonial power, this war became a preeminent symbol of pan-Africanism and secured Ethiopia's sovereignty until the Second Italo-Ethiopian War of 1935–36.'
BTW, what I find interesting is that, when it comes to elite science, by the time that it reaches its full potential, China will likely be at least as productive per capita in terms of producing elite science as Japan is. So, Communism would not have destroyed China’s science-making potential. But the only two Slavic countries who even right now produce more elite science per capita than China are Czechia and Slovenia, both of which have a centuries-deep (German) Hapsburg legacy. Not even Poland can compete per capita with China right now; Poland per capita is about half of China’s level. While Russia per capita is something like 20-25% of China’s level.
Why did Communism destroy the elite science-making potential of the Slav lands more severely than for the East Asian lands? Did the Slav lands simply suffer from much greater brain drain both post-WWI and post-Soviet collapse, or what?
My source for my data is here, FWIW:
https://www.nature.com/nature-index/annual-tables/2023/country/all/all
However, being a warporn wanker dummy is no excuse for trying to find justifications to the killing of unarmed civilians in a far away country. In the particular case of Mariupol in 2014 even the British MSM reported on them. In this ITV News clip the dramatic images we all saw at the time are sanitized but the facts are clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5H9S2pv08Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP, @John Johnson
“Battle”…”crossfire”
Clearly it wasn’t Ukrainians just shooting at unarmed civilians, but armed gangs fighting against the government.
According to the UN, there were indeed many cases of crimes by Ukrainian forces. But when you mix those legitimate cases of crimes, with a dishonest presentation about the nature of what happened in Mariupol, you lose credibility.
You never answered Johnson’s question btw,. If armed Mexican-American separatists (and some Mexican adventurers) seized government buildings in New Mexico or Arizona in order to declare a Mexican state or union with Mexico, would the US government use force to take them back? Should they? Even if doing so led to civilian deaths because these buildings are in the middle of large cities? Or would they just let them keep the buildings?
In the case of Mariupol I'm pretty sure I was still getting basically all my information from Western MSM sources. The Western media blackout on the Donbas events had not still begun. That would start later, when the "ATO" intensified and the bulk of the thousands of civilian casualties later recorded must have happened. Obviously, you don't get to kill so many civilian "katsaps" if you weren't willing to do it from the very beginning, as Mariupol and Lugansk showed.
In Mariupol I clearly remember an unarmed civilian (possibly two) agonizing in a pool of blood on a street corner. He was an overweight elderly or middle-aged man far away from any place of confrontation. There is no way he had at any point been a danger to anyone. As the images in the clip I posted show, there were lots of unarmed civilians protesting against the Kiev forces with nothing but their bodies but still being shot at.
If you refuse to believe your own eyes in the video clip above, I'm wasting my time but even Wikipedia contradicts your fairytale view of the Mariupol events in 2014 and that's really a desperate place to be at when you're trying to defend a mainstream point: which never happened of course. For some reason the armed forces that you defend didn't commit any crimes in Mariupol or Lugansk but never wanted to investigate how those civilians were killed either.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mariupol_(2014)Replies: @AP
Clearly it wasn't Ukrainians just shooting at unarmed civilians, but armed gangs fighting against the government.
According to the UN, there were indeed many cases of crimes by Ukrainian forces. But when you mix those legitimate cases of crimes, with a dishonest presentation about the nature of what happened in Mariupol, you lose credibility.
You never answered Johnson's question btw,. If armed Mexican-American separatists (and some Mexican adventurers) seized government buildings in New Mexico or Arizona in order to declare a Mexican state or union with Mexico, would the US government use force to take them back? Should they? Even if doing so led to civilian deaths because these buildings are in the middle of large cities? Or would they just let them keep the buildings?Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ
Yes, it was. Quite viciously. I don’t know why you keep insisting that I unsee what I saw with my eyes in real time. That’s just never going to happen and your insistence, if anything, makes things worse because all you convey is a desperate attempt at whitewashing clear crimes just because they happened to be committed by co-ethnic of yours.
In the case of Mariupol I’m pretty sure I was still getting basically all my information from Western MSM sources. The Western media blackout on the Donbas events had not still begun. That would start later, when the “ATO” intensified and the bulk of the thousands of civilian casualties later recorded must have happened. Obviously, you don’t get to kill so many civilian “katsaps” if you weren’t willing to do it from the very beginning, as Mariupol and Lugansk showed.
In Mariupol I clearly remember an unarmed civilian (possibly two) agonizing in a pool of blood on a street corner. He was an overweight elderly or middle-aged man far away from any place of confrontation. There is no way he had at any point been a danger to anyone. As the images in the clip I posted show, there were lots of unarmed civilians protesting against the Kiev forces with nothing but their bodies but still being shot at.
If you refuse to believe your own eyes in the video clip above, I’m wasting my time but even Wikipedia contradicts your fairytale view of the Mariupol events in 2014 and that’s really a desperate place to be at when you’re trying to defend a mainstream point:
which never happened of course. For some reason the armed forces that you defend didn’t commit any crimes in Mariupol or Lugansk but never wanted to investigate how those civilians were killed either.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mariupol_(2014)
So armed rebels and the government were shooting at each other, and civilians were hit in crossfire. Video even said a bullet whizzed by as they were filming.
Video also shows unarmed mobs of mostly young men approaching young soldiers, who shoot into the air when they get too close. Doesn’t look like deliberate slaughtering of civilians.
Video also shows unarmed mobs taking control of an armored vehicle that Ukrainian soldiers had abandoned. This would later be used by rebels to kill Ukrainian soldiers. I guess you think that all the weapons should have been given to rebels, to avoid civilian deaths in crossfire?
For the fifth or so time - if armed Mexican-American separatists seized or tried to seize government buildings and weapons stockpiles in New Mexico or Arizona, do you think the US government would respond with deadly force? Yes or no?
And if so, would you oppose them doing so, given that some civilians would probably die in crossfire? Were your perceptions as accurate then, as they are now? The desperation is in your attempt to paint a picture of equivalence between the two sides. Probably so that the Ukrainians are left unarmed and defenseless against the Russian invaders. Then you can personally relax. You misperceived a video you just posted, but you think this memory is accurate?
I recall a middle-aged overweight man in blood, it happened after a mob went after some young terrified soldiers, who then shot their guns into the ground. Some of the bullets ricocheted into people. Russian liars presented this as a deliberate massacre of civilians. Not sure if this was the same incident you at discussing. The clip was clear. Battles between two sides, civilians shot in crossfire, Mikel blames Ukrainian government not violent armed rebels for the deaths.Replies: @Sean, @Wokechoke, @Mikel
Clearly it wasn't Ukrainians just shooting at unarmed civilians, but armed gangs fighting against the government.
According to the UN, there were indeed many cases of crimes by Ukrainian forces. But when you mix those legitimate cases of crimes, with a dishonest presentation about the nature of what happened in Mariupol, you lose credibility.
You never answered Johnson's question btw,. If armed Mexican-American separatists (and some Mexican adventurers) seized government buildings in New Mexico or Arizona in order to declare a Mexican state or union with Mexico, would the US government use force to take them back? Should they? Even if doing so led to civilian deaths because these buildings are in the middle of large cities? Or would they just let them keep the buildings?Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ
From the perspective of a partisan Republican, the less Democrat-voting Mexicans in the US, the better it might be. But from the perspective of a US patriot, losing territory would be absolutely unacceptable and would be bad even for Mexican-Americans themselves since their quality of life would very likely severely suffer.
FWIW, my own view prior to the 2022 invasion is that Ukraine was better off without Crimea and Donbass:
https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/alexander-motyl-its-time-for-ukraine-to-let-the-donbas-go.html
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukrainian-politics-expert-says-country-must-let-go-crimea-donbas.html
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/06/ukraine-better-without-donbass-costly-reconstruction-pro-russia-west/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/12/let-it-go-ukraine-russia-donbass/
But the 2022 invasion changed everything. It showed that Russia would not be permanently satisfied with Crimea and Donbass, thus making Putin more similar to 1939 Hitler than to 1938 Hitler, and also sufficiently inoculated Ukraine’s population against pro-Russian sentiments that the return of Crimea and Donbass would no longer be a huge boon to the pro-Russian side like it would have been prior to the 2022 invasion.
Maybe Ukraine can barter Crimea and/or Donbass in exchange for Russian acceptance of Ukrainian EU and NATO membership, but other than this, I’m unsure that there is anything else that is sufficiently big and important that Ukraine can actually get in exchange for it agreeing to hold UN-supervised plebiscites in these territories. Of course, such plebiscites would have to be limited to pre-2014 inhabitants only, including those people who have left these territories since 2014.
That's the kind of person you are. A bloodthirsty one who supports and makes excuses for war and invasion. You still haven't shown Ukraine going into Russia's borders.
But Russia went into Ukraine's borders.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
Russia’s fate as an East Slavic version of Japan was so horrible that Russia felt compelled to invade Ukraine, or so Russian nationalist logic goes. Because life in Japan is just so horrible! (Obvious sarcasm.)
The Ukraine war and China's skillful use of it to become closer to Russia means the West can no longer count on Russia preferring the West to China. Neither the West or China could stand for the other incorporating Russia by force into what would be a world dominating superstate. I think Russia is currently in the soup, but that is laying the basis for it being enviably placed in the distant future. Russia will be able to go either way (over to the other blok), if it feels it is being bullied, and both power bloks need it enough that one day--when it is decision time--they will be competing in generosity toward Russia in order to get it in their camp.Replies: @Mikhail, @S
Japan was running out of war funds which explains why it was looking for an end to the Russo-Japanese War. Russia bounced back pretty well thereafter. At the outbreak of WW I, Russia was seen as a major power on the rise. WW I starting in 1916 would’ve been better for Russia.
The USSR severely whupped Japan, with the latter no longer wanting to challenge the former, in addition to having other concerns elsewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualtiesThat president fled to Russia and here is a statement from his own pro-Russian party:In a statement issued by Oleksandr Yefremov, parliamentary faction leader, the party and its members "strongly condemn[ed] the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire world
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/9982So they believe he shot the protestors and stole from the government. Do you believe his own party was wrong? Is your position that he was innocent or that he should have stayed in power even though he had a multi-million dollar mansion on a $2k a month salary? Which is it?Replies: @Mikel, @LatW
Don’t mean to interfere in your convo, but just a little note.
Your interlocutor doesn’t know the language – he mistakenly believes that by katsap the Ukrainians mean Eastern Ukrainians, the inhabitants of Donbas. This is inaccurate. A katsap is an ethnic Russian from Russia (or a Russian national from Russia who has transgressed on the Ukrainian territory, such as the infamous “green men” in 2014 or the occupying troops now). A Donbaser who is a separatist and who colludes with the so called “Russian world” ideology and who calls for the Russian military to occupy Ukraine and who fights against the Ukrainian state (or even the “regime”), is not a katsap but a separ.
An ethnic Ukrainian or an ethnic Russian born in Donbas who is pro-Russian is a separ but not a katsap. Only a so called velikoros can be a katsap.
So when Timoshenko said something along the lines of “let’s wipe out the katsaps” (tbh, I don’t recall such a quote, I do recall her saying something like “let’s even them with the ground” or similar, and that was clearly meant against the Russian troops) – she didn’t mean to destroy Donbas, but to wipe out the foreign clandestine (and not so clandestine) troops and those who collaborate with them. Until 2014 they never called for any aggression against the Eastern population (which was always mixed, btw, a lot of pro-Ukrainian Donbasers were forced to flee). A shidnyak (an Easterner, someone who lives in Kharkiv or Dnipro or the Donbas area) is not a katsap, but just a native Ukrainian from the East who may or may not have been Russified in the last couple of generations, but whose family has lived there for hundreds of years.
And, btw, yesterday, the katsaps murdered a 95 year old woman in Lviv, in her own home. Along with children and several other civilians. This woman survived WWII, but she was not lucky enough to survive katsaps in 2023.
Don’t even expect these Putinist shitheads here to ever bother mentioning that.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-tymoshenko-tape-language-russians/25308845.htmlReplies: @AP
Future historians looking through the Unz archives will view Anatoly’s conversion to globalist liberalism as a contrarian indicator predicting the near term collapse of the liberal international order
GAE could have coexisted with the "Russian World". It can't exist in a world of network states.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh
Why did Communism destroy the elite science-making potential of the Slav lands more severely than for the East Asian lands? Did the Slav lands simply suffer from much greater brain drain both post-WWI and post-Soviet collapse, or what?
My source for my data is here, FWIW:
https://www.nature.com/nature-index/annual-tables/2023/country/all/allReplies: @Mr. XYZ
Estonia is similar to Czechia and Slovenia in regards to this, but is majority non-Slavic, though with a huge Slavic minority population.
science is gay. A country producing a lot of scientific output per capita is nothing to brag about. Fuck science
butchbackward but it has never been too far behind to stay in the game by using imported technology, often in a no-nonsense cost effective way. For example they have got an intact Storm Shadow, which they will doubtless reverse engineer. Meanwhile Britain is restocking its missile stores with an Israeli missile because the UK cannot afford to build new Storm Shadows (highly effective against Russian command and control centres hardened to be invulnerable to HIMARS) at £3 mil each.An Ashkenazi Jew saying that is especially ironic lol!
When China catches up to the research frontier more broadly, will their people expand the boundaries of knowledge or will progress stagnate at that point, leaving the country with a giant herd of uncreative drones waiting to be put down by their impatient masters? Same question for India?
Yes, there are some fine minds out there and we are lucky to have them around; the more the merrier. And yes, the education of bright youths that we see from Singapore and other places is very impressive. But do you really think all these folks have the combination of capability, talent and creativity which the world saw in eras like 1930's Germany, 1960's USSR and maybe 1950's USA? I'm not sure.
The USSR severely whupped Japan, with the latter no longer wanting to challenge the former, in addition to having other concerns elsewhere.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Not necessarily, if by that point the Schlieffen Plan would have been scrapped, the Anglo-Russian Entente of 1907 would not have been renewed in 1915, and Britain would have remained neutral in WWI due to Germany not invading Belgium and instead going East first. The increase in Russian military strength would have likely been compensated by British and US neutrality. Though a lot depends on what the Ottomans do: Do they still enter the war or not? Because if not, then this significantly helps Russia. Open Straits and one less front.
If Germany wins an alt-WWI that starts in 1916, though, then Russia will be indirectly better off since Germany will not tolerate permanent Bolshevik rule in Russia. This should produce a much better 20th century for Russia even in the unlikely event that Russia still gets Brest-Litovsk-style peace terms. Likely Russia’s peace terms will be better, though. It will likely get to keep Ukraine and possibly Livonia, Estonia, and Finland as well, in addition to the Caucasus other than very possibly Kars and Ardahan gubernias.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imago
American was counting on Russia in addition to Europe, Japan and India to be part of an alliance to contain China. Russia in the final analysis ultimately preferring the West to China can no longer be taken for granted. That is a huge geopolitical shift.
John 8:44
Mathew 4:8
The mountain from which one could see all the kingdoms of the Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Meru
It is also found in early Byzantine cartography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmas_Indicopleustes
Diablos in Greek meant the ennemy, the adversary, same as Shaitanah in Aramaic and Jewish (Shaitan in Arabic). The adversary of our Enlightenment and Liberation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_(demon)
This World belongs to Mara. This World belongs to YHWH. The Kingdom of Heaven is not of this World. Our Heavenly Father is not YHWH. YHWH is Mara.Replies: @Mr. Hack
My first cursory review of your reply seems to indicate that you’ve uncovered some interesting parallels between the Christian cosmology and Buddhism. Although interesting, it doesn’t seem to answer my question regarding the differences noted about the personality of God the father (YAHWEH) within the Old and New Testaments. And your “connecting of the dots” that leads to a conclusion like:
sounds blasphemous. I take this description of Mara from your own sources:
“Our Heavenly Father”, according to Ivashka?
Again, afaik the Christian explanation for the differences between the OT and the NT is based on original/ancestral sin and the old and new covenants. The Incarnation and Christ modifies how the Old Testament is supposed to be read. The OT is about when man still lived under the old law and in the power of mortality, but it pointed to the coming of the new law.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Russia has always been
butchbackward but it has never been too far behind to stay in the game by using imported technology, often in a no-nonsense cost effective way. For example they have got an intact Storm Shadow, which they will doubtless reverse engineer. Meanwhile Britain is restocking its missile stores with an Israeli missile because the UK cannot afford to build new Storm Shadows (highly effective against Russian command and control centres hardened to be invulnerable to HIMARS) at £3 mil each.It’s amusing that high conformism, low trust r*ghtoids imagine I pledged fealty to the “international order” (GloboHomo, etc., etc.) when on any objective measure I have radicalized beyond their wildest imagination and very literally call all nation-states illegitimate, am quite open about the strategic goal being to destroy all of them, and to replace said international order with an entirely new model of decentralized crypto-anarchy.
GAE could have coexisted with the “Russian World”. It can’t exist in a world of network states.
There was a debate with the Navy wanting a Pacific expansion into European colonial Empires for resources and opposing fighting the USSR and the army wanting to settle accounts for their defeat by it a few years before.
At the beginning of Barbarossa the Germans greatly benefited from the extent to which the Soviet Union’s had a lot of its huge military forces stationed in the far East to guard against a Japanese attack. In the theater of operations against Germany in the initial stages of Barbarossa, the Soviets had nowhere near the overwhelming advantage that one might suppose from their totals of land forces and equipment. Had Japan actually attacked the USSR concurrent with Barbarossa–the prospect of which made the US strategists frantic to get into a war against Japan ASAP–then the Soviets would have been completely defeated in 1941.
How many Africans will they send to that district where AfD won?
In the case of Mariupol I'm pretty sure I was still getting basically all my information from Western MSM sources. The Western media blackout on the Donbas events had not still begun. That would start later, when the "ATO" intensified and the bulk of the thousands of civilian casualties later recorded must have happened. Obviously, you don't get to kill so many civilian "katsaps" if you weren't willing to do it from the very beginning, as Mariupol and Lugansk showed.
In Mariupol I clearly remember an unarmed civilian (possibly two) agonizing in a pool of blood on a street corner. He was an overweight elderly or middle-aged man far away from any place of confrontation. There is no way he had at any point been a danger to anyone. As the images in the clip I posted show, there were lots of unarmed civilians protesting against the Kiev forces with nothing but their bodies but still being shot at.
If you refuse to believe your own eyes in the video clip above, I'm wasting my time but even Wikipedia contradicts your fairytale view of the Mariupol events in 2014 and that's really a desperate place to be at when you're trying to defend a mainstream point: which never happened of course. For some reason the armed forces that you defend didn't commit any crimes in Mariupol or Lugansk but never wanted to investigate how those civilians were killed either.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mariupol_(2014)Replies: @AP
Not in the video you posted. The narrator clearly said that civilians were hit in crossfire.
So armed rebels and the government were shooting at each other, and civilians were hit in crossfire. Video even said a bullet whizzed by as they were filming.
Video also shows unarmed mobs of mostly young men approaching young soldiers, who shoot into the air when they get too close. Doesn’t look like deliberate slaughtering of civilians.
Video also shows unarmed mobs taking control of an armored vehicle that Ukrainian soldiers had abandoned. This would later be used by rebels to kill Ukrainian soldiers. I guess you think that all the weapons should have been given to rebels, to avoid civilian deaths in crossfire?
For the fifth or so time – if armed Mexican-American separatists seized or tried to seize government buildings and weapons stockpiles in New Mexico or Arizona, do you think the US government would respond with deadly force? Yes or no?
And if so, would you oppose them doing so, given that some civilians would probably die in crossfire?
Were your perceptions as accurate then, as they are now?
The desperation is in your attempt to paint a picture of equivalence between the two sides. Probably so that the Ukrainians are left unarmed and defenseless against the Russian invaders. Then you can personally relax.
You misperceived a video you just posted, but you think this memory is accurate?
I recall a middle-aged overweight man in blood, it happened after a mob went after some young terrified soldiers, who then shot their guns into the ground. Some of the bullets ricocheted into people. Russian liars presented this as a deliberate massacre of civilians. Not sure if this was the same incident you at discussing.
The clip was clear. Battles between two sides, civilians shot in crossfire, Mikel blames Ukrainian government not violent armed rebels for the deaths.
It’s evident that Mariupol is Russian and ought to be so from that footage.
It’s fascinating to see the older Soviet helmets and body armour on the Ukie Police and National Guard though. The ITN reporter and editors must have expected the average British viewer would see the steel helmet, AK47 and think it was brutal Russian police anyway.
Very impressionistic stuff.
Note the narrator said “do these people have future in Ukraine?” Or something to that effect.Replies: @AP
This goes beyond the total impossibility of, against all visual evidence and impartial witness accounts, you knowing better than all of them what exactly happened. Yours is an outlandish claim on the most basic grounds because armed forces shooting at unarmed protesters in order to quell a rebellion is a time-honored practice used by regimes of all colors. It really works, I've seen it with my eyes. I was a child at the time but I perfectly remember the day after the Spanish police killed 5 demonstrators in nearby towns with live fire. You could feel the fear in the air. A pro-independence demonstration had been convoked in the evening in my hometown, like all previous days that week, but this time only a few dared attend and confront the police. The pro-independence week of demonstrations came to an end everywhere.
Now, what you're telling us is that paramilitary chieftain and shady oligarch Avakov did not do what even democratic countries like Spain or the UK have sometimes done when popular revolts start getting out of hand. How likely would that be even in the absence of any visual evidence? I addressed that head-on from the very beginning: the lives of unarmed civilians are more valuable than administrative buildings. Period.
The problem here is that both JJ and you are just unable to conceive that people may operate with totally different priorities and mental schemes to yours. You are not defending what the Mariupol soldiers did on the basis of what actually happened there. You first decide who is the legitimate side from your pov and then, post-hoc, defend and rationalize anything that that side did. There is absolutely no doubt that if we were talking about the very same events in occupied Kherson, with unarmed Ukrainian civilians dying under the exact same circumstances and Russian occupiers doing the shooting, your conclusions about what happened there would be diametrically different.
But let's bury that reverse El Alamo scenario once and for all:
- The US should immediately close the southern border.
- The US should deport any foreigner trying to foment secession of the Southwest.
- In spite of all the above, if a secession attempt occurred, the US should safeguard the lives of any civilians, especially its own ones, and I would totally oppose any killing of innocent lives like the ones in Mariupol or Lugansk. Any attempt at expressing what I really think is futile with people like you. If Putin or Unz don't nuke this blog I'm sure you will be asking me to confess my crime again in the future. But no, I see no equivalence between the killing of its own civilians carried out by Ukraine and what Putin has done. The scale is totally different. Putin has killed and displaced many more innocent people while invading a neighboring country, has started the largest war in Europe since WW2 and has threatened to escalate to WW3 if anyone interfered. As if it was just me. There are 8 billion people, most of them unaware of where or what Ukraine is, whose future depends on how we handle this intra-Slavic conflict.Replies: @AP
So armed rebels and the government were shooting at each other, and civilians were hit in crossfire. Video even said a bullet whizzed by as they were filming.
Video also shows unarmed mobs of mostly young men approaching young soldiers, who shoot into the air when they get too close. Doesn’t look like deliberate slaughtering of civilians.
Video also shows unarmed mobs taking control of an armored vehicle that Ukrainian soldiers had abandoned. This would later be used by rebels to kill Ukrainian soldiers. I guess you think that all the weapons should have been given to rebels, to avoid civilian deaths in crossfire?
For the fifth or so time - if armed Mexican-American separatists seized or tried to seize government buildings and weapons stockpiles in New Mexico or Arizona, do you think the US government would respond with deadly force? Yes or no?
And if so, would you oppose them doing so, given that some civilians would probably die in crossfire? Were your perceptions as accurate then, as they are now? The desperation is in your attempt to paint a picture of equivalence between the two sides. Probably so that the Ukrainians are left unarmed and defenseless against the Russian invaders. Then you can personally relax. You misperceived a video you just posted, but you think this memory is accurate?
I recall a middle-aged overweight man in blood, it happened after a mob went after some young terrified soldiers, who then shot their guns into the ground. Some of the bullets ricocheted into people. Russian liars presented this as a deliberate massacre of civilians. Not sure if this was the same incident you at discussing. The clip was clear. Battles between two sides, civilians shot in crossfire, Mikel blames Ukrainian government not violent armed rebels for the deaths.Replies: @Sean, @Wokechoke, @Mikel
There were demonstrations against the Nato member countries participating in military and naval exercises in and around Ukraine that occurred from 1997 onward. Some of those exercises were defined as peacekeeping but actually preparation for intervening in Ukraine to help it put down a revolt. Everyone knew who by. As far back as Yeltsin in the late 1990s Russia openly objected to the exercises such as the one with landing craft and troops simulating a storming of the beaches of Crimea and Putin always said the Russian population of its near abroad was a mater of the utmost importance to RusFed. Russia made its position clear decades ago, and supplied proof it was willing to use force in 2014. And when they warned–as they did–that they were willing to go much, much further unless the matters outstanding got some resolution a la Minsk2, subsequent events showed that was no lie. Yet Ukraine is like
The Ukraine war and China's skillful use of it to become closer to Russia means the West can no longer count on Russia preferring the West to China. Neither the West or China could stand for the other incorporating Russia by force into what would be a world dominating superstate. I think Russia is currently in the soup, but that is laying the basis for it being enviably placed in the distant future. Russia will be able to go either way (over to the other blok), if it feels it is being bullied, and both power bloks need it enough that one day--when it is decision time--they will be competing in generosity toward Russia in order to get it in their camp.Replies: @Mikhail, @S
Italy was crushed by Ethiopia in the First Italo-Ethiopian War of 1895-96, somewhat ironically (considering later events) with the help of largely Russian armaments and Russian advisers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Italo-Ethiopian_War
My takeaway from this is that if Euro-peoples in general had foresworn empire, say by mid-19th century, and had not been so keen to simply give away their advanced military technology to non-Euros, debacles such as the First Italo-Ethiopian War and the Russo-Japanese War would likely not have occurred in the first place.
Italian POW’s under Ethiopian guard.
‘Because this was one of the first decisive victories by African forces over a European colonial power, this war became a preeminent symbol of pan-Africanism and secured Ethiopia’s sovereignty until the Second Italo-Ethiopian War of 1935–36.’
So armed rebels and the government were shooting at each other, and civilians were hit in crossfire. Video even said a bullet whizzed by as they were filming.
Video also shows unarmed mobs of mostly young men approaching young soldiers, who shoot into the air when they get too close. Doesn’t look like deliberate slaughtering of civilians.
Video also shows unarmed mobs taking control of an armored vehicle that Ukrainian soldiers had abandoned. This would later be used by rebels to kill Ukrainian soldiers. I guess you think that all the weapons should have been given to rebels, to avoid civilian deaths in crossfire?
For the fifth or so time - if armed Mexican-American separatists seized or tried to seize government buildings and weapons stockpiles in New Mexico or Arizona, do you think the US government would respond with deadly force? Yes or no?
And if so, would you oppose them doing so, given that some civilians would probably die in crossfire? Were your perceptions as accurate then, as they are now? The desperation is in your attempt to paint a picture of equivalence between the two sides. Probably so that the Ukrainians are left unarmed and defenseless against the Russian invaders. Then you can personally relax. You misperceived a video you just posted, but you think this memory is accurate?
I recall a middle-aged overweight man in blood, it happened after a mob went after some young terrified soldiers, who then shot their guns into the ground. Some of the bullets ricocheted into people. Russian liars presented this as a deliberate massacre of civilians. Not sure if this was the same incident you at discussing. The clip was clear. Battles between two sides, civilians shot in crossfire, Mikel blames Ukrainian government not violent armed rebels for the deaths.Replies: @Sean, @Wokechoke, @Mikel
This is a running definition of Parse.
It’s evident that Mariupol is Russian and ought to be so from that footage.
It’s fascinating to see the older Soviet helmets and body armour on the Ukie Police and National Guard though. The ITN reporter and editors must have expected the average British viewer would see the steel helmet, AK47 and think it was brutal Russian police anyway.
Very impressionistic stuff.
Note the narrator said “do these people have future in Ukraine?” Or something to that effect.
That's the kind of person you are. A bloodthirsty one who supports and makes excuses for war and invasion. You still haven't shown Ukraine going into Russia's borders.
But Russia went into Ukraine's borders.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
Many aggressive acts by the West during three decades laid the groundwork for the war in Ukraine. Here is a partial list with a few of these actions out of many that are well known. I have worded them to be non-controversial, but if you don’t like my wording in some cases, be aware that there are a great many more of these items to chose from.
-Russian diplomats formally complained about NATO expansion for decades.
-Russia put down armed rebellion in Chechnya at great cost.
-Russia protected Abkhazia and South Ossetia using military force.
-After patient attempts at negotiation with the West over crucial nuclear MAD concerns had failed, Russia developed new, extremely dangerous nuclear weapons to protect itself from the West.
-Russia worked diligently to make her economy resistant to sanctions after 2014.
-After Maidan, moves by the Kiev government led to civil war and combat in Eastern Ukraine which includes well documented Ukrainian shelling of civilian targets in Russian-speaking areas.
-Modern followers of Bandera and other self-avowed NeoNAZIs have a measure of public acceptability in Ukraine.
With these points in mind,
Please tell me you were not surprised when Russia moved troops into Ukraine to resolve what she sees as existential military threats by the West against Russia.
Please tell me you understand the concept of “The Red line that shall not be crossed without consequences”. Western meddling in Ukraine was that red line for Russia. The USA and the West and Ukrainian politicians crossed this line. Russia is implementing the consequences.
If Ukraine ends up being predictably destroyed, will you accept that you were mistaken about this post-Cold War struggle between the West and Russia? Or will you double-down and make more excuses for Ukraine and the West and continue to ignore the big picture which is readily visible to articulate adults such as yourself?
Well what might have happened if the Soviets lunged into Germany in 1988-89. Would they have been chased back to Moscow after all?Replies: @QCIC, @S
Non-aggressive USA allowed a major Soviet base with satellite and radar equipment and hundreds of Soviet troops in Cuba, but did not bomb or invade Cuba (at most it armed some Cuban dissidents but this was even less than what Russia did for Donbas separatists).
But aggressive Russia demanded that countries to its west not be allowed to join NATO. Indeed, And no country used that as an excuse to invade and bomb Russia. Unlike Russia, which used the rebellion in Ukraine (Donbass) that Russia financed and armed as an excuse to invade and bomb Ukraine.
It's an example of Russia being aggressive while the West was not aggressive. Aggressive Russia invaded and took territory from another country.
Non-aggressive West, meanwhile, did not protect Chechnya from Russia and allowed Russia to crush the Chechen rebellion. That is certainly Russia's right to do. Good. With about 1/10 the casualties of Russian bombings in Chechnya. Wagner Neonazis are popular in Russia. As Is Stalin, who killed almost as many people as Hitler, and far more people than did Bandera (both in raw numbers and per capita on the territories each controlled). Aggressive Russia makes "red lines" in other countries and invades them if they disobey Russia.
Bloodthirsty QCIC makes excuses for aggressive Russia and blames its victims. He wants maximum death for those who dare disobey aggressive Russia. Perhaps, out of hatred for his own country.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
Maybe he is Marlon Brando Apocalypse Now PTSD?
(This is not my original.)
I wonder if people have an idea what this “elite science” really means. Do you have an S&T background and in what field? Have you read Chinese papers (translations)? Have they caught up with Western developments of 20 years ago (some have, many have not)? Do you have any idea how much scientific research fraud is out there? Do you realize that erosion of Western education standards since the 1960’s negatively influences the quality of science across the entire world?
When China catches up to the research frontier more broadly, will their people expand the boundaries of knowledge or will progress stagnate at that point, leaving the country with a giant herd of uncreative drones waiting to be put down by their impatient masters? Same question for India?
Yes, there are some fine minds out there and we are lucky to have them around; the more the merrier. And yes, the education of bright youths that we see from Singapore and other places is very impressive. But do you really think all these folks have the combination of capability, talent and creativity which the world saw in eras like 1930’s Germany, 1960’s USSR and maybe 1950’s USA? I’m not sure.
-Russian diplomats formally complained about NATO expansion for decades.
-Russia put down armed rebellion in Chechnya at great cost.
-Russia protected Abkhazia and South Ossetia using military force.
-After patient attempts at negotiation with the West over crucial nuclear MAD concerns had failed, Russia developed new, extremely dangerous nuclear weapons to protect itself from the West.
-Russia worked diligently to make her economy resistant to sanctions after 2014.
-After Maidan, moves by the Kiev government led to civil war and combat in Eastern Ukraine which includes well documented Ukrainian shelling of civilian targets in Russian-speaking areas.
-Modern followers of Bandera and other self-avowed NeoNAZIs have a measure of public acceptability in Ukraine.
With these points in mind,
Please tell me you were not surprised when Russia moved troops into Ukraine to resolve what she sees as existential military threats by the West against Russia.
Please tell me you understand the concept of "The Red line that shall not be crossed without consequences". Western meddling in Ukraine was that red line for Russia. The USA and the West and Ukrainian politicians crossed this line. Russia is implementing the consequences.
If Ukraine ends up being predictably destroyed, will you accept that you were mistaken about this post-Cold War struggle between the West and Russia? Or will you double-down and make more excuses for Ukraine and the West and continue to ignore the big picture which is readily visible to articulate adults such as yourself?Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
The business in Iraq must have got policy makers and soldiers thinking about the basic quality of Soviet industrial design. 1990 and the shock of watching the Abrams and Challengers supported by Cobras and Apaches scything through so much gear…
Well what might have happened if the Soviets lunged into Germany in 1988-89. Would they have been chased back to Moscow after all?
Some people in the Iraq War era probably knew that Soviet industrial design had many firsts in space. And a few others may have remembered the pain inflicted by Soviet equipment in Viet Nam.
I didn't pay much attention to the Gulf Wars. I have been told that the Soviet equipment in the Middle East and most of the third world is "Monkey models", either outdated or simplified and dumbed down to be operated by less intelligent and less well trained crews. I don't think Iraq had a Soviet grade air defense system and they paid the price. On the other hand, the US military industrial complex claimed many shoot downs of outdated Soviet Scud missiles. History records that Western analysts then convincingly showed this was impossible and no Scuds were actually shot down (maybe one).Replies: @Wokechoke
My understanding is that the Old Testament is the Word of God in the form of fables and stories told to the Jewish people. As such it (and God’s description) consists of Truth but is not necessarily factual.
The New Testament, in contrast, consists of eyewitness accounts of and statements told by God’s Son and incarnation. It is thus both True and mostly factual (of course eyewitness testimony is sometimes inconsistent, each word spoken probably wasn’t transmitted with absolute accuracy).
This explains the discrepancy in presentation.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Of course, the writing of the Bible includes the writing styles of the writers, and relies on history, allegory, poetry, to convey its meanings. Even so, it needs to be considered the inspired word of God united in its purpose to convey the things of God to humanity.
I’m just curious and trying to reconcile the two images presented of him in the OT and NT. In the OT, he’s is often portrayed as a vengeful and judging father that is involved in the destruction of races (tribes) of men, even his very own sliver of humanity the Jews don’t escape his watchful eye. In the NT, we are presented with a much more loving and compassionate God that is even willing to act as a surrogate sacrifice for the sins of all humankind.
And yet somewhere within the bible, we’re reminded that God is eternal, never changing*.
* Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away, but you are the same, and your years have no end. (Psalm 102:25-27)
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Matthew 24:35)
It’s evident that Mariupol is Russian and ought to be so from that footage.
It’s fascinating to see the older Soviet helmets and body armour on the Ukie Police and National Guard though. The ITN reporter and editors must have expected the average British viewer would see the steel helmet, AK47 and think it was brutal Russian police anyway.
Very impressionistic stuff.
Note the narrator said “do these people have future in Ukraine?” Or something to that effect.Replies: @AP
Translation: wokechoke is gullible enough to draw broad conclusions from the behavior of a few hundred pro-Russian people on film, in a city of 450,000 in 2014.
We are not dealing some cunty Slavic propaganda outfit there.
Well what might have happened if the Soviets lunged into Germany in 1988-89. Would they have been chased back to Moscow after all?Replies: @QCIC, @S
Who knows?
Some people in the Iraq War era probably knew that Soviet industrial design had many firsts in space. And a few others may have remembered the pain inflicted by Soviet equipment in Viet Nam.
I didn’t pay much attention to the Gulf Wars. I have been told that the Soviet equipment in the Middle East and most of the third world is “Monkey models”, either outdated or simplified and dumbed down to be operated by less intelligent and less well trained crews. I don’t think Iraq had a Soviet grade air defense system and they paid the price. On the other hand, the US military industrial complex claimed many shoot downs of outdated Soviet Scud missiles. History records that Western analysts then convincingly showed this was impossible and no Scuds were actually shot down (maybe one).
Then an apparently very good Tank Army was exposed.
A lot of people looked on and thought that Soviet gear must have actually been second rate junk.
For all we know every Iraqi pilot was given several million bucks to sit out the fight.
I am not disputing that overall it seems true, but isn’t a major part of it caused by previous concentrations of the non-European groups like slaves and natives in the south and south-west? The North-Easterners basically exterminated the natives and didn’t import as many Africans.
It also shows that when the rentier lifestyle is available – old South and empty lands in the West – people will prefer the easy life. Today the North-Easterners are a sad and unpleasant lot, almost Canadian in their relative poverty but without the fake ‘niceness’. The Northeastern grimy under-development is very visible to visitors – with exceptions.
Massachusetts $74,187 (ranked #2)
New York $71,717 (ranked #3)
New Jersey $70,471 (ranked #4)
Pennsylvania: $58,032 (ranked #15)California: $66,619 (ranked #5)Adjusted for cost of living:Connecticut $73,425 (ranked #1)
Massachusetts $67,510 (ranked #3)
New York $61,677 (ranked #6)
New Jersey $60,605 (ranked #9)
Pennsylvania: $59,773 (ranked #15)California $57,292 (ranked #21)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_incomeCanada: $38,900
Slovakia: $23,800Overall, in terms of income, the Northeast is the richest part of the USA even when the high cost of living is accounted for. And the richest place in the world, on average. Germany, the richest major country in Europe in terms of income when taking into account cost of living, only has 65% of the per capita average income of Massachusetts. There are isolated pockets of poverty in the Northeast. The isolation makes the nice areas nicer. This isn't California, where drug abusers camp in front of expensive houses. Except maybe crowded Manhattan. Maine has some rural poverty, but it is sparsely populated and is a place for woods, cabins, and vacations by people further south. It's charming. But keep on making those grapes sour, Beckow :-)Replies: @Mr. XYZ
You wanted Kirtan:
Yahi Hamare Pir.
https://www.sikhitothemax.org/ang?ang=717&source=D
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I've heard that some blacks are happy that their areas have high crime rates because it keeps property values low, which helps if they are personally renters rather than homeowners. Of course, this extremely high crime rate also tragically significantly increases their own risk of getting murdered.
I love Hispanic areas because they are cheaper than white areas but nowhere near as homicidal as black areas. And they also have great Latin American culture! I prefer not to go into Hispanic areas at night, but at daytime, they're great places to go to! The Russian equivalent of this would probably be Central Asian areas. The British equivalent I guess would be non-Muslim Indian areas.
BTW, did you know that among the US black community, there's a saying along these lines?: "Snitches get stitches!" That's why US black homicides have significantly lower clearance rates than US non-black homicides.Replies: @John Johnson
Lower-IQ people, especially blacks, and white gentrifiers might be OK with living next to (low-IQ) blacks. Everyone else? Probably not so much.
You add a lot of interesting comments but need to spend time in a Black area. I can tell that you haven’t spent much time around them.
Blacks are not OK with living in areas that are densely populated with Blacks. They simply can’t afford to move.
It has nothing to do with IQ. Cats and dogs also do not like living in areas with lots of Blacks.
It’s a source of constant chaos. The shootings aren’t the main problem or even close. A much bigger problem is having to keep your head on a swivel for the most trivial activities. Having to avoid the night as if you live near vampires.
I’ve heard that some blacks are happy that their areas have high crime rates because it keeps property values low, which helps if they are personally renters rather than homeowners.
There are upsides to everything including public housing. However those same Blacks would happily leave if they could afford it.
Blacks can live near Blacks without living in an area like Baltimore. They can be on the edge of a Black city and experience far fewer problems while maintaining social connections.
White gentrifiers work the edges or find a mixed neighborhood (read gays and other races). They don’t buy an abandoned row house in a 100% Black neighborhood. They aren’t that stupid. Go look at pictures of Corktown for an example.
BTW, did you know that among the US black community, there’s a saying along these lines?: “Snitches get stitches!”
It has always been that way. Even in pre-Civil war America they frowned on alerting White authorities over anything. Most slave revolts were caught by a house slave snitching to the owner.
The military on all sides have long accepted that limited nuclear war was possible and survivable. This survivability is a known fact based on the large number of above ground nuclear tests committed by various countries in the not so distant past. The long existence of tactical nuclear weapons is evidence of their acceptance. This led to the INF treaty which the US threw away. On the other hand, the military also figured out that nukes are more suited as weapons of terror against civilian populations and infrastructure and are not actually that great against many hardened military targets. In my view the MAD doctrine accepted all of this background and captured it in the idea “Let’s terrorize everyone, all the time”.
The West apparently thought they had enough military, economic and nuclear advantage to pressure Russia beyond the point which would have led to nuclear war in the 1980s when the USSR was still intact. In other words, the West was doing things they knew would lead to nuclear war if similar things had been tried as recently as the 1980s. Russia responded mildly to most of these Western provocations for decades while rebuilding her strength in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. After dropping out of the ABM Treaty, the West continued threatening with terror attacks on Russian civilians by putting missile sites in Eastern Europe and bringing out the advanced warhead ‘super fuse’ and new versions of the B61 bomb (some versions apparently are still based in European NATO countries).
Now we have a situation where the USA and the West are continuing the provocations while Russia has rebuilt her military capabilities back up to a high level. Her nuclear forces are at or above parity and conventional forces are fine for a defensive campaign near her border. So the West has put us close to the point of nuclear war. It may be tactical or strategic, who knows?
However, being a warporn wanker dummy is no excuse for trying to find justifications to the killing of unarmed civilians in a far away country. In the particular case of Mariupol in 2014 even the British MSM reported on them. In this ITV News clip the dramatic images we all saw at the time are sanitized but the facts are clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5H9S2pv08Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP, @John Johnson
I am sorry, I made a mistake with you. I thought that you were using the “you are a Putin defender” line as a childish provocation but you seem to seriously believe that I not only defend Putin but corrupt oligarch Yanukovich as well (!)
Ok so you acknowledge that Yanukovich was corrupt and his removal was not a coup?
Well that puts you at odds with Putin defenders here that maintain the entire mess was started because the CIA or some other foreign organization removed the corrupt pro-Russian president through a conspiracy backed coup with the implication that it was against the will of the people.
Look, Putin has proven to be a cruel and dangerous dictator. Probably the most dangerous international leader in several generations. You just stop calling me a Putin supporter and I will stop calling you a wanker.Replies: @John Johnson
The West apparently thought they had enough military, economic and nuclear advantage to pressure Russia beyond the point which would have led to nuclear war in the 1980s when the USSR was still intact. In other words, the West was doing things they knew would lead to nuclear war if similar things had been tried as recently as the 1980s. Russia responded mildly to most of these Western provocations for decades while rebuilding her strength in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. After dropping out of the ABM Treaty, the West continued threatening with terror attacks on Russian civilians by putting missile sites in Eastern Europe and bringing out the advanced warhead 'super fuse' and new versions of the B61 bomb (some versions apparently are still based in European NATO countries).
Now we have a situation where the USA and the West are continuing the provocations while Russia has rebuilt her military capabilities back up to a high level. Her nuclear forces are at or above parity and conventional forces are fine for a defensive campaign near her border. So the West has put us close to the point of nuclear war. It may be tactical or strategic, who knows?Replies: @John Johnson
The military on all sides have long accepted that limited nuclear war was possible and survivable.
Do explain given that subs on both sides can completely level the cities of the other.
You are saying that because people in Argentina might survive it is worth a suicidal attack that kills most of the US population?
So the West has put us close to the point of nuclear war. It may be tactical or strategic, who knows?
What exactly is the strategic benefit to America by wiping out its own cities, killing most of the population and taking the economy back to the 1800s. All while risking nuclear winter, fallout and destruction of the biodome.
Explain the strategic benefit versus simply living with Russia.
You stated that the West wants nuclear war so explain the strategy.
The risk of the use of tactical nuclear weapons increases during conventional conflicts between the West and Russia. If tactical nukes are used the risk of escalation to strategic nukes increases since the line is not always clear. These very serious concerns led to arms control and arms reduction treaties, some of which the USA has dropped.
This risk of escalation was minor when Russia was in Afghanistan since the USA doesn't care about that country. The risk was minor post-USSR as long as the USA was bombing goat herders. There was probably some risk of tactical nukes over NATO in Serbia.
The USA dropped out of the ABM treaty and is meddling in Ukraine which increase the risk of the use of nuclear weapons. In order to make the point that these things are dangerous, the Russians developed the Status-6 nuclear torpedo which is explicitly a terror weapon to hold coastal cities at risk. The closest thing in the past was probably cobalt bombs which both sides discussed. The ICBM warheads are also intended for cities, but started out as weapons against silos (just a fig leaf). Russia doesn't want to use the Status-6 nuclear weapon on a city, the weapon only exists because the West made moves indicating that we want to destroy their cities (dropping out of treaties, encroachment, nearby missile sites). The problem is that as soon as the Belgorod sub goes on patrol it is a very high value target. Maybe some cowboy Navy commander who watches too much CNN sinks it. Then nuclear escalation.
So instead of dropping the Ukraine project and supporting a difficult peace, the West and the USA are doubling down. Cluster bombs, jets, more death.
So instead of cautiously restarting nuclear disarmament negotiations and asking, what could we do to talk you Russians out of the Status-6, the West is chanting: "Slava Ukraine! Kiev to Crimea or Death!"
Great job, morons.Replies: @John Johnson
Some people in the Iraq War era probably knew that Soviet industrial design had many firsts in space. And a few others may have remembered the pain inflicted by Soviet equipment in Viet Nam.
I didn't pay much attention to the Gulf Wars. I have been told that the Soviet equipment in the Middle East and most of the third world is "Monkey models", either outdated or simplified and dumbed down to be operated by less intelligent and less well trained crews. I don't think Iraq had a Soviet grade air defense system and they paid the price. On the other hand, the US military industrial complex claimed many shoot downs of outdated Soviet Scud missiles. History records that Western analysts then convincingly showed this was impossible and no Scuds were actually shot down (maybe one).Replies: @Wokechoke
The French and Germans built the Iraqis their air defence system. Which by all accounts was excellent. The Iraqi pilots flew off or didn’t take off.
Then an apparently very good Tank Army was exposed.
A lot of people looked on and thought that Soviet gear must have actually been second rate junk.
For all we know every Iraqi pilot was given several million bucks to sit out the fight.
Not all in the 13 that did rebel wanted separation. We also have an example of a revolutionary hero of heroes like Benedict Arnold decide that the colonies were making a mistake and ought to rejoin the Empire. He tended to sour on the project when he saw well connected Massholes and Connecticut Mafia get nepotistic with all the plum jobs in the Army and civil administration.
The battle of Kings Mountain in the south was largely a civil war between rebellious backwoodsmen and loyalist landowners/township residents.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @S
As you said, one third rebelled, one third was indifferent, and a third was loyal.
Quite a few thought of themselves simply as ‘English’ at the time of the 1776 Revolution and were still quite attached to the English motherland, particularly in the Carolinas.
The civil war angle between Tory and Whig of the Revolution is interesting, though I think there is more to it.
One thing that is particularly intriguing is how the radical Whigs of London had adopted the colors of Washington’s army uniforms, ie buff and blue, as their official party colors during the Revolution. They would openly wear these colors (as pieces of cloth pinned to their outer clothing) in London to demonstrate support in real time for the American revolutionary armies in the field without official sanction or penalty for doing so (!). Lady Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire, wrote of this and did so herself.
The first two years (1775-77) of near complete inactivity on the British army’s part in North America to suppress the rebellion, which greatly upset the resident colonial Loyalists, is sometimes thought of as a last olive branch by the Brits to the revolutionaries, but I see it perhaps more of a sign that there were powerful (largely Masonic/Whig?) elements within the British establishment which wanted the rebellion to have time and space to succesfully take root.
Anyhow, time for a break and a less serious look at British politics from the era of George III which only a certain comedian can offer 🙂 :
This must be one of those Orthodox pure blooded Slavs that Putin’s fans seem to think are fighting a Jewish multi-racial empire
Is that Sqauanto?
https://cdn.britannica.com/96/127396-050-ED52C245/Jay-Silverheels-Clayton-Moore-Tonto-the-Lone-1951.jpg?w=300Replies: @John Johnson
Although it lost the profitability in 2020, I read Twitter had revenue of over $5 billion in 2021/2022 with the projections for $10 billion within 5 years.
Musk’s business strategy included downsizing, which resulted with loss of 80% of employees to reduce the staff cost, to follow the objective to recover to profitability. This downsizing includes removing probably the more important employees for the business model which are advertising executives, human resources staff etc. Composition of the staff becomes a high ratio guest workers with H-1B visas.
New York Times says advertising revenue in 2023 was only $88 million per 5 weeks. If representative sample, it would be reduction of revenue almost like the reduction of the number of staff.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/technology/twitter-ad-sales-musk.html
On the other hand, Tesla is the most successful company of the last ten years, with probably already 2 million production this year of cars, trend of around 40-50% annual growth of production and a lot of profit margin.
Musk is so successful for his real business, he would have enough money to view social media as a charity project which doesn’t need to be profitable.
The last time I tried to look at twitter they would not let me in. I don't have an account. Never have had an account. Apparently now I never will have an account though I never say never about things like that. It is not in the same category as voting for Donald the Fat.Replies: @Dmitry, @Mikel
Well what might have happened if the Soviets lunged into Germany in 1988-89. Would they have been chased back to Moscow after all?Replies: @QCIC, @S
A sensitive subject, but good (or bad) equipment as you no doubt know can only explain out comes in battle so far. The quality of the personnel manning the equipment has to account for much in the way of results.
For instance, during the Anglo-Russian occupation of Iran in 1941, consisting of Russian and (British led) Indian colonial troops, despite having some substantial modern equipment, the Iranians folded completely within a matter of days, and the whole of the country was occupied. Yet, during the near decade long Iran-Iraq War fought between Iraqi and Iranian, much of it was basically a territorial stalemate.
One wonders if Iraqi troops (instead of Russian and Indian colonial troops) had wholly been used in the 1941 occupation of Iran, if it would have taken years (instead of days) if it could of been accomplished at all, due to the poor quality of the Iraqi soldier.
The air war was systematic. The Iraqi pilots who had a decent record bolted at the first moment of conflict. The aircraft French, Soviet and the ground radars German or French. The quantity of SAMs and other AAA was extensive. One other element, perhaps Russians who’d been there on the ground once upon a time all abandoned the place. The Russian’squitting these places is a story in and of itself.
It’s worth noting that Syria provided airspace along with Jordan. Much effort in the start of the war was to stop Israel getting attacked with missiles.Replies: @S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1A6UsU0A0g
Is that Sqauanto?Replies: @Mr. Hack
My first impression is that it is Tonto. 🙂
https://global100.adl.org/map/oceania
Canada is the last, America and UK tied. These are people who really like Jews. American Jews also criticize Israel, while strongly supporting its right to exist.
Interesting that I can't quickly find a survey about various countries concerning Israel. WASPS are still in charge in the USA.
As I said, several individual Jews have a lot of wealth and power in the post-Soviet space.
But overall, the Anglo world loves Jews more, is friendlier to and supports Israel more, and has provided a much better home to more Jews than any other place in the world.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
You know it’s a meaningless resource. For example, the questions ask “do Jews have too much power in business”.
In Republic of Ireland, which is free-market, liberal democracy, which is meritocratic, with modern companies, follow a formal rules, it would be usually filter for mentally ill people of Ireland who are talking like this about 0,03% of their population who are Jewish or have Jewish roots.
But in more feudal or early modern system like Russia or Ukraine, a high proportion of the business is at people with least “Jewish roots” (usually not Jews in the Israeli concept). So, even most of the people with Jewish roots in postsoviet countries could say yes in those questions, not relating to positive or negative feeling about the topic, just objectively talking about the high ratios in context of very “imperfect meritocracy”.
In postsoviet countries, including Ukraine, Jewish has connotation of more elite or higher status. It’s partly true also to the objective economic conditions, although in reality there are a lot of poor people and most of the Jewish roots people are also poor in these countries.
While in countries like UK or Ireland, Judaism would be viewed as a kind of primitive religious obscurantism. These are also countries with wide distribution of wealth, more idealistic population, where economic status is less prioritized.
In Republic of Ireland or UK, Palestinian flags are common and fashionable. Especially Ireland, although they are also Palestinian flags in the fashionable parts of Great Britain. Only Israeli flag in those countries is used in Israeli embassy in those countries.
Israel is one of the most unpopular countries among the Western people and the Western Europeans. If there was an Israel flag, the people would cut it off and stand on it. (While in Kiev, it’s opposite of Western Europe, they add Israel flags on the streets https://youtu.be/jHAf8x1thsU?t=97.)
In the media in Ireland or Great Britain, Israel is viewed like Russia, while Palestine is viewed like Ukraine. Even with a balanced reporting, Israel is viewed negatively, closer to Iraq or Syria, than popular countries like Greece or Italy. Anything about Israel in English or Irish media, has likely very negative view.
In postsoviet countries, it’s the opposite situation. Russian federal television is more Zionist than Fox News.
A typical first channel in Russia, is hour documentaries of Urgant and Pozner walking in the Israeli desert. https://rutube.ru/video/ab87c77e5ff4bcbad8f13b0f44cb132c/
A lot of the local news reporters in Russian television are actually Russian speaking Israelis (i.e. people who grow up in Israel, not Russia), as the Russian television imports a lot of their staff from Israel.
While if you watch television in Russia, for last twenty years the news about the Middle East is reported by Sergey Pashkov, who is very romantical about Israel, also has Israeli wife and children.
America is a modern capitalist country, although it one of the relatively more illiberal or failing democracies of the Western countries. Things like business skills are widely distributed in the country.
There isn’t a situation where there is a king, a small group of security people working with him managing most of the government, circles like people with WASP roots who understand about business.
Interests of the businessmen are more important in America, compared to postsoviet countries. On the other hand, the access of the business is more meritocratic and distributed across the population.
For example, for a city of Ekaterinburg, if you look in the Jewish events there are most of the owners of the city. It’s also a lot more privatized than many Western countries, so not just the industries, also the airport is privately owned. This is just one of hundreds of the cities in the postsoviet space.
On the other hand, the decision of the government can be the opposite of 90% of the business owners in Russia, which wouldn’t be possible in bourgeois capitalist societies.
This is like a normal society from earlier centuries, where politics is not determined by business. Business was viewed by the government like one of the area, similar to electricity or healthcare.
If the country was a modern liberal democracy, the security people would be less prioritized relative to the business people. But the business people wouldn’t necessarily prioritze relative to things like public health. Also the business people would be more distributed to the wider population, would be less feudal, more transparent.
(This is not my original.)Replies: @Sean
Prigozhin was coked out of his skull. According to Lukashenko, Prigozhin was swearing (80% of the words were obscenities) non stop and euphoric for the first half an hour Lukashenko was trying to talking him out of continuing toward Moscow. Prigozhin’s minions were also sounding high.
Photos of Zelensky from 2019 show him looking startlingly fresh faced, he looks 15 years older today. Like Prigozhin, Zelensky shovelled vast amounts of snow up his nose, and made some bad decisions about what Putin would put up with.
I thought you were kidding, let me spell it out.
The risk of the use of tactical nuclear weapons increases during conventional conflicts between the West and Russia. If tactical nukes are used the risk of escalation to strategic nukes increases since the line is not always clear. These very serious concerns led to arms control and arms reduction treaties, some of which the USA has dropped.
This risk of escalation was minor when Russia was in Afghanistan since the USA doesn’t care about that country. The risk was minor post-USSR as long as the USA was bombing goat herders. There was probably some risk of tactical nukes over NATO in Serbia.
The USA dropped out of the ABM treaty and is meddling in Ukraine which increase the risk of the use of nuclear weapons. In order to make the point that these things are dangerous, the Russians developed the Status-6 nuclear torpedo which is explicitly a terror weapon to hold coastal cities at risk. The closest thing in the past was probably cobalt bombs which both sides discussed. The ICBM warheads are also intended for cities, but started out as weapons against silos (just a fig leaf). Russia doesn’t want to use the Status-6 nuclear weapon on a city, the weapon only exists because the West made moves indicating that we want to destroy their cities (dropping out of treaties, encroachment, nearby missile sites). The problem is that as soon as the Belgorod sub goes on patrol it is a very high value target. Maybe some cowboy Navy commander who watches too much CNN sinks it. Then nuclear escalation.
So instead of dropping the Ukraine project and supporting a difficult peace, the West and the USA are doubling down. Cluster bombs, jets, more death.
So instead of cautiously restarting nuclear disarmament negotiations and asking, what could we do to talk you Russians out of the Status-6, the West is chanting: “Slava Ukraine! Kiev to Crimea or Death!”
Great job, morons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destructionSo instead of dropping the Ukraine project and supporting a difficult peace, the West and the USA are doubling down. Did a full invasion of Ukraine by Putin (not the Duma as they were unaware of his plans) increase or decrease the potential for nuclear weapons? A difficult peace would be for Putin to admit this was a huge mistake as seen by the fact that his originally stated goal of containing NATO has failed (Finland has joined and borders Russia). He can reduce nuclear risk and end the killing at any time by returning to his borders.Replies: @QCIC
Musk's business strategy included downsizing, which resulted with loss of 80% of employees to reduce the staff cost, to follow the objective to recover to profitability. This downsizing includes removing probably the more important employees for the business model which are advertising executives, human resources staff etc. Composition of the staff becomes a high ratio guest workers with H-1B visas. New York Times says advertising revenue in 2023 was only $88 million per 5 weeks. If representative sample, it would be reduction of revenue almost like the reduction of the number of staff.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/technology/twitter-ad-sales-musk.html On the other hand, Tesla is the most successful company of the last ten years, with probably already 2 million production this year of cars, trend of around 40-50% annual growth of production and a lot of profit margin. Musk is so successful for his real business, he would have enough money to view social media as a charity project which doesn't need to be profitable.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
I heard a sports podcast yesterday and they did 10 minutes on Elon may have fatally wounded twitter. Two guys who a year ago lived ate breathed twitter and now it is nearly unusable.
The last time I tried to look at twitter they would not let me in. I don’t have an account. Never have had an account. Apparently now I never will have an account though I never say never about things like that. It is not in the same category as voting for Donald the Fat.
He knows the staff are the main cost for the company. For cost reduction, he logically follows the learning pattern from the automobile company, to reduce the cost. In this example, it is by reducing staff. This is a different industry though, it's not producing cars. Value of the product is mainly as infrastructure for advertising to the public. Infrastructure is already developed, you just need to market it as a good nexus between advertiser and the public. Success of the company is mainly how much it can increase revenue of its companies which pay for the advertising, which are their real customers. Most of the value of this kind of company is probably the staff which understand this industry, especially non-engineers i.e marketing department staff, people who are friends with the important companies, human resources staff. Although Musk is so successful in the automobile industry and will receive the profit from his shares in the Tesla, there isn't really need for Twitter to be profitable or valuable. It doesn't really need a business model to continue.
The risk of the use of tactical nuclear weapons increases during conventional conflicts between the West and Russia. If tactical nukes are used the risk of escalation to strategic nukes increases since the line is not always clear. These very serious concerns led to arms control and arms reduction treaties, some of which the USA has dropped.
This risk of escalation was minor when Russia was in Afghanistan since the USA doesn't care about that country. The risk was minor post-USSR as long as the USA was bombing goat herders. There was probably some risk of tactical nukes over NATO in Serbia.
The USA dropped out of the ABM treaty and is meddling in Ukraine which increase the risk of the use of nuclear weapons. In order to make the point that these things are dangerous, the Russians developed the Status-6 nuclear torpedo which is explicitly a terror weapon to hold coastal cities at risk. The closest thing in the past was probably cobalt bombs which both sides discussed. The ICBM warheads are also intended for cities, but started out as weapons against silos (just a fig leaf). Russia doesn't want to use the Status-6 nuclear weapon on a city, the weapon only exists because the West made moves indicating that we want to destroy their cities (dropping out of treaties, encroachment, nearby missile sites). The problem is that as soon as the Belgorod sub goes on patrol it is a very high value target. Maybe some cowboy Navy commander who watches too much CNN sinks it. Then nuclear escalation.
So instead of dropping the Ukraine project and supporting a difficult peace, the West and the USA are doubling down. Cluster bombs, jets, more death.
So instead of cautiously restarting nuclear disarmament negotiations and asking, what could we do to talk you Russians out of the Status-6, the West is chanting: "Slava Ukraine! Kiev to Crimea or Death!"
Great job, morons.Replies: @John Johnson
I thought you were kidding, let me spell it out.
The risk of the use of tactical nuclear weapons increases during conventional conflicts between the West and Russia.
That’s not what you said. Don’t insult me because you no longer want to back your original statement:
I think the USA and West wanted to take Russia down since the early 1990’s and have accepted nuclear war to achieve this goal. – QCIC
You stated that they were going to use nuclear war to take down Russia. That makes zero sense from any perspective.
Putin continues to fund wonder weapons for propaganda purposes. His idiots on Russian State TV think they can win in a first strike. They don’t allow dissenting views on television so no one call out their total bullshit.
In order to make the point that these things are dangerous, the Russians developed the Status-6 nuclear torpedo which is explicitly a terror weapon to hold coastal cities at risk.
Both sides have had the potential to entirely eliminate the other with submarines since the 70s. Are you unaware of this?
There is no way to stop a full on ICBM attack. It does not exist.
A nuclear torpedo is pointless and shows that Putin only knows how to waste money. You can simply detonate a h bomb in an ocean to cause a tsunami. Such weapons do not change the MAD equation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction
So instead of dropping the Ukraine project and supporting a difficult peace, the West and the USA are doubling down.
Did a full invasion of Ukraine by Putin (not the Duma as they were unaware of his plans) increase or decrease the potential for nuclear weapons?
A difficult peace would be for Putin to admit this was a huge mistake as seen by the fact that his originally stated goal of containing NATO has failed (Finland has joined and borders Russia). He can reduce nuclear risk and end the killing at any time by returning to his borders.
I am familiar with what is published on nuclear weapons and delivery systems. I word it that way since I wouldn't bet much that the public information is true, but it might be. The USA started this nuclear escalation by dropping out of treaties. Maybe you even acknowledged this. I think you are unwilling to accept the obvious connection between this issue and conventional Imperial manuevering like the Ukraine conflict.
There is apparently a substantial group of people in the USA who believe that nuclear war is winnable, just like General Turgidson, only more stupid.
By reducing the number of ICBMs and MIRVs with treaties, the total destructive power was reduced, but this also made ABM defenses slightly more feasible. Submarines are the first to be destroyed in a preemptive strike. Edward Teller stirred up a huge frenzy over ABM defense in the Reagan era and I think the proteges of those ABM zealots are still pushing this agenda in high places. Sadly they do not want to use ABM to make things safer, they want to gain the upper hand which is what can lead to a great many people dying. Russia understands this, even if you don't.
The Status-6 is a countermeasure against a hypothetical missile defense since it is not a missile. Nothing more, nothing less. It makes the point that missile defense is not helpful because there are many easy ways to deliver a nuke. You know it, I know it, but we have a lot of really stupid and ideologically blinded people in the government and the military.
Russia went into Ukraine after the West crossed the Russian Red Line. This reaction wasn't a surprise, I think the West was counting on it. The problem for Washington, London and Warsaw is they had plans which were based on information which was ten years out of date.Replies: @Beckow
The last time I tried to look at twitter they would not let me in. I don't have an account. Never have had an account. Apparently now I never will have an account though I never say never about things like that. It is not in the same category as voting for Donald the Fat.Replies: @Dmitry, @Mikel
A lot of the success of Tesla in the previous 5 years has been reducing the costs for producing each car, so Musk has been learning from the success of cost reduction. So, when he bought Twitter, he wants to repeat concept of becoming profitable by reducing costs. This should be easier, as Twitter was profitable so recently like 2019, while Tesla had never been profitable before 2020.
He knows the staff are the main cost for the company. For cost reduction, he logically follows the learning pattern from the automobile company, to reduce the cost. In this example, it is by reducing staff.
This is a different industry though, it’s not producing cars. Value of the product is mainly as infrastructure for advertising to the public. Infrastructure is already developed, you just need to market it as a good nexus between advertiser and the public. Success of the company is mainly how much it can increase revenue of its companies which pay for the advertising, which are their real customers.
Most of the value of this kind of company is probably the staff which understand this industry, especially non-engineers i.e marketing department staff, people who are friends with the important companies, human resources staff.
Although Musk is so successful in the automobile industry and will receive the profit from his shares in the Tesla, there isn’t really need for Twitter to be profitable or valuable. It doesn’t really need a business model to continue.
https://cdn.britannica.com/96/127396-050-ED52C245/Jay-Silverheels-Clayton-Moore-Tonto-the-Lone-1951.jpg?w=300Replies: @John Johnson
My first impression is that it is Tonto.
Months ago both Ritter and MacGregor stated that Ukraine was about to lose since they were using boys and old men.
Today’s footage is of a Russian POW that looks like a starving Indian. The Ukrainains are using modern equipment and I haven’t seen videos of 14 year old boys serving.
I was called a Jew here last year for pointing out that a Russian offensive was unlikely when they clearly didn’t have enough winter boots to go around. If they don’t have enough boots then it is unlikely that they have the resources to march back to Kiev. But for this observation I was told that I was clearly trying to Jew everyone.
I posted videos smuggled by Russian conscripts and was told they were obviously faked. You see it was all a Hollywood Jew conspiracy where Jews in Hollywood make these videos. Yes I was actually given that as an explanation. Videos of Russian conscripts complaining about a lack of medical kits must be faked. MacGregor said Russia has everything so it must be true.
Recently I posted a video of a Russian that had died while wearing converse all stars.
You see Russia is about to win because two guys say so. We don’t just turn on the MSM and believe what they say. Hang on Ritter is about to talk, let’s have him think for us. He says nice feely good things that I like.
So armed rebels and the government were shooting at each other, and civilians were hit in crossfire. Video even said a bullet whizzed by as they were filming.
Video also shows unarmed mobs of mostly young men approaching young soldiers, who shoot into the air when they get too close. Doesn’t look like deliberate slaughtering of civilians.
Video also shows unarmed mobs taking control of an armored vehicle that Ukrainian soldiers had abandoned. This would later be used by rebels to kill Ukrainian soldiers. I guess you think that all the weapons should have been given to rebels, to avoid civilian deaths in crossfire?
For the fifth or so time - if armed Mexican-American separatists seized or tried to seize government buildings and weapons stockpiles in New Mexico or Arizona, do you think the US government would respond with deadly force? Yes or no?
And if so, would you oppose them doing so, given that some civilians would probably die in crossfire? Were your perceptions as accurate then, as they are now? The desperation is in your attempt to paint a picture of equivalence between the two sides. Probably so that the Ukrainians are left unarmed and defenseless against the Russian invaders. Then you can personally relax. You misperceived a video you just posted, but you think this memory is accurate?
I recall a middle-aged overweight man in blood, it happened after a mob went after some young terrified soldiers, who then shot their guns into the ground. Some of the bullets ricocheted into people. Russian liars presented this as a deliberate massacre of civilians. Not sure if this was the same incident you at discussing. The clip was clear. Battles between two sides, civilians shot in crossfire, Mikel blames Ukrainian government not violent armed rebels for the deaths.Replies: @Sean, @Wokechoke, @Mikel
If we weren’t talking about dead unarmed civilians, this would be hilarious. All western journalists present in Mariupol reported Ukrainian officers shooting and killing unarmed civilians and the video above shows how indeed they were shooting in the direction of a group of unarmed people who were trying to help shot civilians on the ground but you, not being there, conclude that all casualties were accidental.
This goes beyond the total impossibility of, against all visual evidence and impartial witness accounts, you knowing better than all of them what exactly happened. Yours is an outlandish claim on the most basic grounds because armed forces shooting at unarmed protesters in order to quell a rebellion is a time-honored practice used by regimes of all colors. It really works, I’ve seen it with my eyes. I was a child at the time but I perfectly remember the day after the Spanish police killed 5 demonstrators in nearby towns with live fire. You could feel the fear in the air. A pro-independence demonstration had been convoked in the evening in my hometown, like all previous days that week, but this time only a few dared attend and confront the police. The pro-independence week of demonstrations came to an end everywhere.
Now, what you’re telling us is that paramilitary chieftain and shady oligarch Avakov did not do what even democratic countries like Spain or the UK have sometimes done when popular revolts start getting out of hand. How likely would that be even in the absence of any visual evidence?
I addressed that head-on from the very beginning: the lives of unarmed civilians are more valuable than administrative buildings. Period.
The problem here is that both JJ and you are just unable to conceive that people may operate with totally different priorities and mental schemes to yours. You are not defending what the Mariupol soldiers did on the basis of what actually happened there. You first decide who is the legitimate side from your pov and then, post-hoc, defend and rationalize anything that that side did. There is absolutely no doubt that if we were talking about the very same events in occupied Kherson, with unarmed Ukrainian civilians dying under the exact same circumstances and Russian occupiers doing the shooting, your conclusions about what happened there would be diametrically different.
But let’s bury that reverse El Alamo scenario once and for all:
– The US should immediately close the southern border.
– The US should deport any foreigner trying to foment secession of the Southwest.
– In spite of all the above, if a secession attempt occurred, the US should safeguard the lives of any civilians, especially its own ones, and I would totally oppose any killing of innocent lives like the ones in Mariupol or Lugansk.
Any attempt at expressing what I really think is futile with people like you. If Putin or Unz don’t nuke this blog I’m sure you will be asking me to confess my crime again in the future. But no, I see no equivalence between the killing of its own civilians carried out by Ukraine and what Putin has done. The scale is totally different. Putin has killed and displaced many more innocent people while invading a neighboring country, has started the largest war in Europe since WW2 and has threatened to escalate to WW3 if anyone interfered.
As if it was just me. There are 8 billion people, most of them unaware of where or what Ukraine is, whose future depends on how we handle this intra-Slavic conflict.
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But do you think the US federal government, or indeed any other government, would follow your approach? I'm glad you have changed your mind. In the past you had written differently. Your words:https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-221/#comment-6019862 Replies: @Mikel
GAE could have coexisted with the "Russian World". It can't exist in a world of network states.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh
Could either GAE and the Russian World actually exist in a world of network states (and super-smart AI, for that matter), though?
Also, the problem with the Russian World is that it insisted on taking territory that GAE (which is stronger) also wanted and where the overwhelming majority of the people preferred GAE to Russia. (Indeed, GAE won’t be complete without Ukraine and possibly even Belarus as well.) So, in this regard, you can blame the Russian World for not knowing its place and for expanding beyond its acceptable bounds. The Russian World could have indeed coexisted harmoniously with GAE, had the Russian World simply kept its hands off of Ukraine. Too bad that it didn’t, though. It just wanted the Ukrainian human capital too badly because it was unwilling to breed more of its own human capital. Pathetic.
Also, as a side note, at least if one lives in the US or EU or China or India, one gets to live in a world-power. Living in a network state doesn’t give you the same luxury. At best, you’d get to live in another Singapore, which is very nice but not awe-inspiring.
For that matter, the whole network state idea sounds rather attractive for various other oppressed peoples. Chechens, Uyghurs, Rohingya, et cetera. Why aren't they signing up for this en masse? Even Palestinians could benefit from getting a network state if they will fail to get their own state in real life. Hell, oppressed Sub-Saharan and Muslim LGBTQ+ people can also create their own network states if they will fail to get asylum in LGBTQ+friendly countries. There could even be network states for weird fetishists, such as eproctophiles (fart fetishists) lol. And if Crimea and Donbass Russians get expelled from their homes en masse, then they can compensate for this by creating Crimea and Donbass network states.
Territory of the Donetsk Network State (DNS), somewhere in the Third World, in 2100:
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/donetsk-donets-ka-oblast-ukraine-futuristic-cityscape-generative-ai-generative-ai-art-style-interpretation-donetsk-donets-ka-270784801.jpg
Anatoly Karlin can be celebrating his 112th birthday over there at this point in time lol.Replies: @QCIC
Someone seems to be priming the USA for similar treatment, so it may be pawns all the way down.Replies: @LatW
Your interlocutor doesn't know the language - he mistakenly believes that by katsap the Ukrainians mean Eastern Ukrainians, the inhabitants of Donbas. This is inaccurate. A katsap is an ethnic Russian from Russia (or a Russian national from Russia who has transgressed on the Ukrainian territory, such as the infamous "green men" in 2014 or the occupying troops now). A Donbaser who is a separatist and who colludes with the so called "Russian world" ideology and who calls for the Russian military to occupy Ukraine and who fights against the Ukrainian state (or even the "regime"), is not a katsap but a separ.
An ethnic Ukrainian or an ethnic Russian born in Donbas who is pro-Russian is a separ but not a katsap. Only a so called velikoros can be a katsap.
So when Timoshenko said something along the lines of "let's wipe out the katsaps" (tbh, I don't recall such a quote, I do recall her saying something like "let's even them with the ground" or similar, and that was clearly meant against the Russian troops) - she didn't mean to destroy Donbas, but to wipe out the foreign clandestine (and not so clandestine) troops and those who collaborate with them. Until 2014 they never called for any aggression against the Eastern population (which was always mixed, btw, a lot of pro-Ukrainian Donbasers were forced to flee). A shidnyak (an Easterner, someone who lives in Kharkiv or Dnipro or the Donbas area) is not a katsap, but just a native Ukrainian from the East who may or may not have been Russified in the last couple of generations, but whose family has lived there for hundreds of years.
And, btw, yesterday, the katsaps murdered a 95 year old woman in Lviv, in her own home. Along with children and several other civilians. This woman survived WWII, but she was not lucky enough to survive katsaps in 2023.
Don't even expect these Putinist shitheads here to ever bother mentioning that.Replies: @Mikel
You are right but not quite in the way you imply. Timoshenko didn’t say that the katsaps should be nuked. She just said that they should be killed, along with their leader. The ones that she said should be nuked are the 8 million ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. Here is a report with the actual audio clip from a source that you won’t find any objection to:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-tymoshenko-tape-language-russians/25308845.html
To go along with his reference, I recall a snooty BBC reporter chastising a couple of Mariupol residents for blaming the West and Kiev regime for the situation. This happened before the SMO. No doubt that Mariupol generally leans in a pro-Russian direction.
GAE could have coexisted with the "Russian World". It can't exist in a world of network states.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh
The problem with your calculations, I suspect, is that GAE has so much human capital (and can get even more due to it being a rich world-power) that even if it will lose some or even a lot of it to network states, it will still have plenty of it left over to remain viable. Just like China can afford to lose half of its 125+ IQ people and still remain a world-power simply because it has 100+ million 125+ IQ people in total, so it would still be left with 50+ million 125+ IQ people even afterwards. And of course the EHC that will remain loyal to GAE can eugenically breed more of itself in the future, thus ensuring that GAE will have enough EHC in future generations even without relying on super-smart AI.
You really need to tell me why exactly it would have been in GAE’s best interests to backstab 25+ million Ukrainians and to let Russia have their human capital instead of securing their human capital for itself. After all, it’s not like Russia will agree to withdraw from the SCO, end all military cooperation with China, and agree to wage a trade embargo against China if China will ever invade Taiwan in any scenario where the West would have allowed Russia to conquer Ukraine. And in any case, it would be unclear just how much Russian promises are actually worth considering the fate of the Budapest Memorandum.
Are you suggesting that if Russia would have conquered Ukraine, then GAE, Russia, and China could have jointly cooperated to destroy the prospects of network-states, or what? Because Third World countries would have still been interested in supporting nation-state ventures, no? And there would still be plenty of people who would be dissatisfied with the West’s Wokeness, Russia’s authoritarianism, and China’s totalitarianism.
The author of the blog post above explicitly compares Northern US and Southern US white populations only and still sees that Northern US white populations are significantly overrepresented in their share of historical figures relative to Southern US white populations even when one adjusts for both of their total population sizes.
Ok so you acknowledge that Yanukovich was corrupt and his removal was not a coup?
Well that puts you at odds with Putin defenders here that maintain the entire mess was started because the CIA or some other foreign organization removed the corrupt pro-Russian president through a conspiracy backed coup with the implication that it was against the will of the people.Replies: @Mikel, @AP
I wasn’t paying any attention at the time but everybody seems to agree that he was particularly corrupt, even for post-Soviet standards. I don’t have any firm opinion on whether that was technically a coup or not. I don’t care. This was shortly after the Libya disaster where we sent a country back to the middle ages with our clever meddling so all I remember is being quite ticked off when I saw that we were doing something similar with the neighbor of a nuclear superpower.
Look, Putin has proven to be a cruel and dangerous dictator. Probably the most dangerous international leader in several generations. You just stop calling me a Putin supporter and I will stop calling you a wanker.
a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics and especially the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coupNote that his own party supported his prosecution and there was an election for his successor. I'd like to know how this would be a coup instigated by the US and not the democratic removal of a corrupt president, an action supported by all involved political parties including his own pro-Russian party. There was no small group that took the government over by force. He was removed and a successor was elected. He in fact fled to Russia to avoid charges. If you aren't sure then retract your statement about "that we were doing" as if the US was the cause. It is a pro-Putin narrative that the US removed him through a CIA coup. It is a baseless claim created by Putin supporters to depict the current Ukrainian government as unduly elected. Zelensky was not even involved and was acting at the time. If you don't know then that is fine. But stop saying "we were doing" as if you know.
Ok so you acknowledge that Yanukovich was corrupt and his removal was not a coup?
Well that puts you at odds with Putin defenders here that maintain the entire mess was started because the CIA or some other foreign organization removed the corrupt pro-Russian president through a conspiracy backed coup with the implication that it was against the will of the people.Replies: @Mikel, @AP
Mikel is not a Putin defender. Rather, he doesn’t like the Ukrainian side either and finds its self-defense to be troublesome. He wants Ukraine to be denied the best weapons with which it can defend itself, and therefore for Putin to get what he wants for reasons other than being pro-Putin.
Essentially he doesn’t think that opposing Putin, whom he strongly dislikes, is worth spending money or in any way interrupting his pleasant lifestyle.
IOW, it's been 30 years of acting as the self-appointed policemen of the world and the results have generally been quite disastrous. Even in Afghanistan, where there was a rather good case for removing the Taliban, the US wasn't able to leave in time, started another insane nation building project and finally had to let the Taliban take over again. No more foreign interventions that are not of a clearly defensive nature, thanks.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AP
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-tymoshenko-tape-language-russians/25308845.htmlReplies: @AP
Yes, the Katsap invaders who seized Crimea.
She said the part about nuking the 8 million ethnic Russians in Ukraine was doctored. That is likely, because how would one even nuke people living among Ukrainians, scattered around the country?
I have no opinion on what she said or what it meant. Those were tough times for tough people.
Of course that's not a phrase to take literally. Perhaps I have myself said pretty gross things about certain groups in private in the past. But I wasn't any country's ex-president, I wasn't involved in any revolution/coup and nobody made my words public. The point here is that it was not unreasonable for many people in Donbas to feel alienated by what had happened in Kiev and think that they'd be better off under Russian rule than under the rule of people who were caught saying such things about them.
To elaborate on this, had Russia actually successfully conquered Ukraine, what’s to prevent Ukrainians (if a subsequent anti-Russian insurgency in Ukraine will fail to dislodge the Russians from Ukraine) from subsequently creating a Ukrainian network state and moving there en masse? This Ukrainian network state can even eventually join the EU, most likely. (There’s a precedent with Cyprus joining the EU even though it’s not geographically located in Europe because its population have a European culture. Though it’s possible that this Ukrainian network state will be located within Europe rather than outside of Europe, such as somewhere in the Balkans.) So, at the end of the day, Russia will still be deprived of most of its Ukrainian human capital, especially Ukrainian EHC. So, what would have been the point of having Russia conquer Ukraine in the first place in such a scenario? I don’t see any. It wouldn’t even have much use in keeping NATO at bay since NATO can still station nuclear missiles in Poland, the Baltic countries, and/or Finland/Sweden if NATO will ever actually have the desire to do this, so Russia itself would not have been made much safer by its conquest of Ukraine either.
For that matter, the whole network state idea sounds rather attractive for various other oppressed peoples. Chechens, Uyghurs, Rohingya, et cetera. Why aren’t they signing up for this en masse? Even Palestinians could benefit from getting a network state if they will fail to get their own state in real life. Hell, oppressed Sub-Saharan and Muslim LGBTQ+ people can also create their own network states if they will fail to get asylum in LGBTQ+friendly countries. There could even be network states for weird fetishists, such as eproctophiles (fart fetishists) lol. And if Crimea and Donbass Russians get expelled from their homes en masse, then they can compensate for this by creating Crimea and Donbass network states.
Territory of the Donetsk Network State (DNS), somewhere in the Third World, in 2100:
Anatoly Karlin can be celebrating his 112th birthday over there at this point in time lol.
Figuratively speaking, the Ukraine conflict is about who gets the bloody nose, looses an eye, gets raped or whatever. It is raw aggression from the West because of historical fears, grievances, pain, dreams and power lust. Russia understands raw aggression better than most, so they are responding in kind. Since the West already crossed the red line, Russia is responding conventionally to avoid responding with nuclear weapons.
I don't know what goes on behind the scenes or what will happen, but it is clear that civilian casualties and destruction in Ukraine have been very light compared to Russia's military capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destructionSo instead of dropping the Ukraine project and supporting a difficult peace, the West and the USA are doubling down. Did a full invasion of Ukraine by Putin (not the Duma as they were unaware of his plans) increase or decrease the potential for nuclear weapons? A difficult peace would be for Putin to admit this was a huge mistake as seen by the fact that his originally stated goal of containing NATO has failed (Finland has joined and borders Russia). He can reduce nuclear risk and end the killing at any time by returning to his borders.Replies: @QCIC
I know what I wrote, here it is again:
Typically I write something like “The West has accepted the RISK of nuclear war to achieve the goal of taking down Russia”. Since some people are delusional about these issues I am trying different approaches too get through.
I am familiar with what is published on nuclear weapons and delivery systems. I word it that way since I wouldn’t bet much that the public information is true, but it might be. The USA started this nuclear escalation by dropping out of treaties. Maybe you even acknowledged this. I think you are unwilling to accept the obvious connection between this issue and conventional Imperial manuevering like the Ukraine conflict.
There is apparently a substantial group of people in the USA who believe that nuclear war is winnable, just like General Turgidson, only more stupid.
By reducing the number of ICBMs and MIRVs with treaties, the total destructive power was reduced, but this also made ABM defenses slightly more feasible. Submarines are the first to be destroyed in a preemptive strike. Edward Teller stirred up a huge frenzy over ABM defense in the Reagan era and I think the proteges of those ABM zealots are still pushing this agenda in high places. Sadly they do not want to use ABM to make things safer, they want to gain the upper hand which is what can lead to a great many people dying. Russia understands this, even if you don’t.
The Status-6 is a countermeasure against a hypothetical missile defense since it is not a missile. Nothing more, nothing less. It makes the point that missile defense is not helpful because there are many easy ways to deliver a nuke. You know it, I know it, but we have a lot of really stupid and ideologically blinded people in the government and the military.
Russia went into Ukraine after the West crossed the Russian Red Line. This reaction wasn’t a surprise, I think the West was counting on it. The problem for Washington, London and Warsaw is they had plans which were based on information which was ten years out of date.
I think Yulia’s fancy braids were my first subtle hint that something might be off in the Ukraine. She did look nice, but at the time they seemed over the top.
I have no opinion on what she said or what it meant. Those were tough times for tough people.
Not even to mention the inconvienent fact about UA not having the said atomic weapon in its disposal, lol
Mikel always was sounding as a typical old stock southern euro anti-US leftie, just these days more like post-1968 leftie, bit disapointed with Brezhnev adventures during Prague invasion, instead of remaining pure tankie, but still a believer of “socialism with human face” type fantasies at heart;)
This is wrong. The West was never going to stop at Ukraine. The goal was to weaken Russia enough to force the country to give up her nuclear weapons and reduce her military capability, presumably with the aid of a fifth column.
Someone seems to be priming the USA for similar treatment, so it may be pawns all the way down.
It is blasphemous to today’s christians. But it was self-evident to the early christians who were way closer to Gnosticism than to Catholic Orthodoxy. The history of the Church is as true as the history of the Sovok communist party, that is not true at all. It had been thoroughly purged and re-written. What you believe in today would have made our Lord Jesus raise his eyebrows in astonishment.
Look, Putin has proven to be a cruel and dangerous dictator. Probably the most dangerous international leader in several generations. You just stop calling me a Putin supporter and I will stop calling you a wanker.Replies: @John Johnson
I wasn’t paying any attention at the time but everybody seems to agree that he was particularly corrupt, even for post-Soviet standards. I don’t have any firm opinion on whether that was technically a coup or not.
This was shortly after the Libya disaster where we sent a country back to the middle ages with our clever meddling so all I remember is being quite ticked off when I saw that we were doing something similar with the neighbor of a nuclear superpower.
There you go again implying that the US was at fault and by your own admission you don’t know what happened.
So you think it was possible for his removal to meet the definition of a coup:
a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics and especially the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup
Note that his own party supported his prosecution and there was an election for his successor.
I’d like to know how this would be a coup instigated by the US and not the democratic removal of a corrupt president, an action supported by all involved political parties including his own pro-Russian party. There was no small group that took the government over by force. He was removed and a successor was elected. He in fact fled to Russia to avoid charges.
If you aren’t sure then retract your statement about “that we were doing” as if the US was the cause.
It is a pro-Putin narrative that the US removed him through a CIA coup. It is a baseless claim created by Putin supporters to depict the current Ukrainian government as unduly elected. Zelensky was not even involved and was acting at the time.
If you don’t know then that is fine. But stop saying “we were doing” as if you know.
AP, these types of people… when they have this stance, they also need to acknowledge – fully – what the consequences would be (and in fact already have been) if Ukraine did not receive adequate means to defend itself – specifically that the occupied East is full of torture chambers called “the basement” and that people’s homes are being vandalized and people are being killed randomly. It’s important that everyone who admits that it is ok to occupy Ukraine, also acknowledges these basic facts.
And then they need to stay quiet about human rights going forward. Or any other humanitarian standards.
As to the best weapons, that’s on Biden and Sullivan. They, too, need to admit that if they choose not to provide the best weapons then the consequences are that 95 year old women die in their homes on the border with NATO.
Stop playing innocent. You ain’t innocent.Replies: @LatW
For that matter, the whole network state idea sounds rather attractive for various other oppressed peoples. Chechens, Uyghurs, Rohingya, et cetera. Why aren't they signing up for this en masse? Even Palestinians could benefit from getting a network state if they will fail to get their own state in real life. Hell, oppressed Sub-Saharan and Muslim LGBTQ+ people can also create their own network states if they will fail to get asylum in LGBTQ+friendly countries. There could even be network states for weird fetishists, such as eproctophiles (fart fetishists) lol. And if Crimea and Donbass Russians get expelled from their homes en masse, then they can compensate for this by creating Crimea and Donbass network states.
Territory of the Donetsk Network State (DNS), somewhere in the Third World, in 2100:
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/donetsk-donets-ka-oblast-ukraine-futuristic-cityscape-generative-ai-generative-ai-art-style-interpretation-donetsk-donets-ka-270784801.jpg
Anatoly Karlin can be celebrating his 112th birthday over there at this point in time lol.Replies: @QCIC
You are pretending the people driving these moves in the West or in Ukraine are reasonable. LOL.
Figuratively speaking, the Ukraine conflict is about who gets the bloody nose, looses an eye, gets raped or whatever. It is raw aggression from the West because of historical fears, grievances, pain, dreams and power lust. Russia understands raw aggression better than most, so they are responding in kind. Since the West already crossed the red line, Russia is responding conventionally to avoid responding with nuclear weapons.
I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes or what will happen, but it is clear that civilian casualties and destruction in Ukraine have been very light compared to Russia’s military capability.
As to Tymoshenko’s soundbite, it is rough and direct language, but it is not unlike something that the leaders of Israel, Russia, Turkey or the US would say in a similar situation (“мочить в сортире” (c) Putin). Or possibly even some large European country during a tough historical period.
Ironically, from the way she sounds, had she been in charge both during the annexation of Crimea and the beginning of the uprising in 2014, she may have been able to quell it from the beginning. Not sure if she had been able to, but she did sound like she had the right attitude to get the job done.
Someone seems to be priming the USA for similar treatment, so it may be pawns all the way down.Replies: @LatW
How in the world would anything like this be possible in the world before February 2022? The fifth column was practically stomped out by then (if you mean the non-systemic liberals). If you think there is some other fifth column (“the Jews”), then those do not need to remove the nuclear weapons, they have full access to all the resources anyway.
Something similar might happen in the USA if the dollar collapsed.
I don't know much about the Jewish role in the Ukraine mess. I assume it is important, but that is a guess. Commenters here have little to say about it.
I was intrigued last year by the Russian low-level official who called Chabad a satanic cult. I think this comment had a Ukrainian context. I wonder where he is now stationed in Siberia?Replies: @LatW, @A123
The air war was systematic. The Iraqi pilots who had a decent record bolted at the first moment of conflict. The aircraft French, Soviet and the ground radars German or French. The quantity of SAMs and other AAA was extensive.
One other element, perhaps Russians who’d been there on the ground once upon a time all abandoned the place. The Russian’squitting these places is a story in and of itself.
It’s worth noting that Syria provided airspace along with Jordan. Much effort in the start of the war was to stop Israel getting attacked with missiles.
Much as Britain's central battle doctrine was domination of the seas, America's central battlefield doctrine is domination of the air, ie getting it and maintaining it.
I imagine everything possible from the war in Ukraine is being gleaned and closely scrutinized by the US intelligence agencies in this regard, from videos of interrogations of downed Russian pilots, to studying the crashed remains of their aircraft, to their current AA capabilities.
[Of course, the Russians no doubt are doing plenty of their own studying in regards to US aviation capabilities.]Replies: @Wokechoke
Did you watch the ITN clip? That’s commercial British TV war reporting. They are thoroughly British establishment shills who in previous decades misrepresented the Serbs.
The same editors are now forced to make up bollocks to support the British government line about Russian perfidy.
We are not dealing some cunty Slavic propaganda outfit there.
No to Sweden, yes to Ukraine?;)
https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/diplomacy/ukraine-deserves-nato-membership-erdogan-in-meeting-with-zelenskyy
I’m pretty sure the end game for American planners is to have US troops occupying Moscow with a friendly puppet in charge.
Stop playing innocent. You ain’t innocent.
I don’t have any details on the politics inside Russia but I believe that is what the West hoped to do. I simply think it would be too dangerous without a “fifth column” to manipulate the internal power structure. One hypothetical version of events is to have a massive false flag and then a savior steps up with strong “temporary powers” and things change.
Something similar might happen in the USA if the dollar collapsed.
I don’t know much about the Jewish role in the Ukraine mess. I assume it is important, but that is a guess. Commenters here have little to say about it.
I was intrigued last year by the Russian low-level official who called Chabad a satanic cult. I think this comment had a Ukrainian context. I wonder where he is now stationed in Siberia?
As I have pointed out multiple times... Zelensky is a post-Judaic apostate. He travelled to Israel to insult actual Jews (1). This was very poorly received by Likud and the religious parties. These are the groups that underpin Netanyahu's coalition. Practitioners of Judaism are thus Russia leaning.
Alas, the European Empire (and its agency-less vassal America) is in favour of Kiev aggression. As there is little to gain & much to lose by openly offending a geopolitical side, the Jewish nation is formally neutral. No doubt there is subtle aide going to Russia in terms of sanctions & banking workarounds, however this cannot be openly discussed for obvious reasons.
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I really do NOT understand why certain posters keep trying to blame the U.S. Our current regime is loathed by the American people. The string of impotent incompetence from the White House keeps getting worse by the day.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLFctyDRldc
Security knows exactly whose cocaine it is... However, no one wants to elevate Not-The-VP Harris to the top slot. She might accidentally start a nuclear war.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/Replies: @QCIC
Stop playing innocent. You ain’t innocent.Replies: @LatW
What US troops? Let Arestovych manage them, he wants to, lol. “Yugorossiya”.
Insane.
Ah OK, that settles it then lol.
Of course that’s not a phrase to take literally. Perhaps I have myself said pretty gross things about certain groups in private in the past. But I wasn’t any country’s ex-president, I wasn’t involved in any revolution/coup and nobody made my words public. The point here is that it was not unreasonable for many people in Donbas to feel alienated by what had happened in Kiev and think that they’d be better off under Russian rule than under the rule of people who were caught saying such things about them.
I am familiar with what is published on nuclear weapons and delivery systems. I word it that way since I wouldn't bet much that the public information is true, but it might be. The USA started this nuclear escalation by dropping out of treaties. Maybe you even acknowledged this. I think you are unwilling to accept the obvious connection between this issue and conventional Imperial manuevering like the Ukraine conflict.
There is apparently a substantial group of people in the USA who believe that nuclear war is winnable, just like General Turgidson, only more stupid.
By reducing the number of ICBMs and MIRVs with treaties, the total destructive power was reduced, but this also made ABM defenses slightly more feasible. Submarines are the first to be destroyed in a preemptive strike. Edward Teller stirred up a huge frenzy over ABM defense in the Reagan era and I think the proteges of those ABM zealots are still pushing this agenda in high places. Sadly they do not want to use ABM to make things safer, they want to gain the upper hand which is what can lead to a great many people dying. Russia understands this, even if you don't.
The Status-6 is a countermeasure against a hypothetical missile defense since it is not a missile. Nothing more, nothing less. It makes the point that missile defense is not helpful because there are many easy ways to deliver a nuke. You know it, I know it, but we have a lot of really stupid and ideologically blinded people in the government and the military.
Russia went into Ukraine after the West crossed the Russian Red Line. This reaction wasn't a surprise, I think the West was counting on it. The problem for Washington, London and Warsaw is they had plans which were based on information which was ten years out of date.Replies: @Beckow
Johnson knows all of this – he simply consciously lies. He will post some “corruption palace” or whatever, or say that since Putin doesn’t mention US leaving ABM in all of his speeches it is a non-issue.
It is desperation by people who got in over their heads and don’t know what to do. So they scream and shout to hide that Washington-London-Warsaw really blew it this time. But what would we expect from people who brought us Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc…and President Guidado with Mrs. President Tichanovskaia. So ‘nukes don’t work’ and ‘Putin is probably dead’, or 5k mercenaries will conquer Russia, or Ukies will storm Crimea – it is grasping for straws at this point.
Something similar might happen in the USA if the dollar collapsed.
I don't know much about the Jewish role in the Ukraine mess. I assume it is important, but that is a guess. Commenters here have little to say about it.
I was intrigued last year by the Russian low-level official who called Chabad a satanic cult. I think this comment had a Ukrainian context. I wonder where he is now stationed in Siberia?Replies: @LatW, @A123
It is pretty safe to say that the 70% of the vatnik patriots are enough of a guarantee that such an outcome would be unlikely. It is no longer the late 1980s or early 1990s when the Russian population was naive and somewhat progressively thinking.
Somebody finally nails it. The reason why I disliked the killings of civilians in Donbass is not because I am a Putin supporter, as people have been assuming all along. It was because I am a fan of Dubcek! After all, what other possible reason could there be for such a weird position?
https://t.me/GalliaDaily/5029
That’s a rather unfair description of my position but you’re not totally wrong. Only, I am not a diaspora Ukrainian so for me opposing Putin will never be the central issue it is for you. You can perfectly replace Putin in that phrase with Maduro, Assad, Xi, Idi-Amin or whoever his successor in Uganda is now, etc and it will be equally accurate.
IOW, it’s been 30 years of acting as the self-appointed policemen of the world and the results have generally been quite disastrous. Even in Afghanistan, where there was a rather good case for removing the Taliban, the US wasn’t able to leave in time, started another insane nation building project and finally had to let the Taliban take over again. No more foreign interventions that are not of a clearly defensive nature, thanks.
Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and even Kosovo are okay. Certainly better than before Western intervention.
Likewise for Visegrad.
Ukraine has much more in common with such places than it does with Afghanistan or Uganda.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
It is indeed weird, cause only civilians worth the attention or care seem to be pro-RF civilians, while no any mention of pro-UA or even neutral civilians killed in Maidan by Yanukovich or in Gorlovka/Slavyansk by Strelkov/Bezler led armed gangs way before Mariupol armed streetfighting happened.
For example, you have just mentioned the murders of pro-Ukrainian people in Slaviansk and indeed, I remember that one or two of them appeared dead in a river, clearly assassinated by the separatists. However, you have failed to mention the civilians killed by the separatists in Volnovakha and Mariupol when they counterattacked later that year. If I applied your irrational way of thinking I would conclude that you only oppose the separatist killings in Gorlovka and Slaviansk but are OK with the separatist killings when they happen further south in the Donetsk region.
You would be surprised how little I liked all of this bloodshed. From the very beginning I understood that the ranks of the separatist and their Russian colleagues were full of unsavory thugs. But at least nobody tried to convince me that they were my democratic allies and that the West had an obligation to support them.
IOW, it's been 30 years of acting as the self-appointed policemen of the world and the results have generally been quite disastrous. Even in Afghanistan, where there was a rather good case for removing the Taliban, the US wasn't able to leave in time, started another insane nation building project and finally had to let the Taliban take over again. No more foreign interventions that are not of a clearly defensive nature, thanks.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AP
It won’t stop. The (((Neocon))) and their Atlanticist minions will race their Globalized West horse to death. Same thing for the (((Noviop))) in RusFed. In the insane conflict between the (((Neocon))) and the (((Noviop))) we all loose. The winners will be the Dharmic India / China and the Islamic World. Future Dhsrmic and Muslim historians will write about the European Civilization, describing it as possessed by self-destructive delusions of schizophrenic tribal splinterism and paranoid revanchism. Time to terminate the Great White World. This circus with its crazy clowns is no longer amusing.
Does this suggest that Indians, Chinese and assorted Islamic peoples are masterminding the fall of the Novicons (((Noviop+Neocn)))?Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Cui bono?
Does this suggest that Indians, Chinese and assorted Islamic peoples are masterminding the fall of the Novicons (((Noviop+Neocn)))?
Something similar might happen in the USA if the dollar collapsed.
I don't know much about the Jewish role in the Ukraine mess. I assume it is important, but that is a guess. Commenters here have little to say about it.
I was intrigued last year by the Russian low-level official who called Chabad a satanic cult. I think this comment had a Ukrainian context. I wonder where he is now stationed in Siberia?Replies: @LatW, @A123
There is very little to say about things that do not exist. Judaism is wholly unimportant to Kiev aggression.
As I have pointed out multiple times… Zelensky is a post-Judaic apostate. He travelled to Israel to insult actual Jews (1). This was very poorly received by Likud and the religious parties. These are the groups that underpin Netanyahu’s coalition. Practitioners of Judaism are thus Russia leaning.
Alas, the European Empire (and its agency-less vassal America) is in favour of Kiev aggression. As there is little to gain & much to lose by openly offending a geopolitical side, the Jewish nation is formally neutral. No doubt there is subtle aide going to Russia in terms of sanctions & banking workarounds, however this cannot be openly discussed for obvious reasons.
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I really do NOT understand why certain posters keep trying to blame the U.S. Our current regime is loathed by the American people. The string of impotent incompetence from the White House keeps getting worse by the day.
Security knows exactly whose cocaine it is… However, no one wants to elevate Not-The-VP Harris to the top slot. She might accidentally start a nuclear war.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/
https://www.haaretz.com/2014-10-18/ty-article/.premium/the-most-powerful-jew-in-the-world/0000017f-ea28-d639-af7f-ebffe41b0000
Title: Is This Man the Most Powerful Jew in the World? [Igor Kolomoisky]
What a den of thieves:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky-reportedly-strips-3-jewish-oligarchs-of-ukrainian-citizenship/
I'm sure glad to know these poor guys were all corrupted by Islam. LOL.Replies: @A123
The air war was systematic. The Iraqi pilots who had a decent record bolted at the first moment of conflict. The aircraft French, Soviet and the ground radars German or French. The quantity of SAMs and other AAA was extensive. One other element, perhaps Russians who’d been there on the ground once upon a time all abandoned the place. The Russian’squitting these places is a story in and of itself.
It’s worth noting that Syria provided airspace along with Jordan. Much effort in the start of the war was to stop Israel getting attacked with missiles.Replies: @S
Thanks, that was an interesting video.
Much as Britain’s central battle doctrine was domination of the seas, America’s central battlefield doctrine is domination of the air, ie getting it and maintaining it.
I imagine everything possible from the war in Ukraine is being gleaned and closely scrutinized by the US intelligence agencies in this regard, from videos of interrogations of downed Russian pilots, to studying the crashed remains of their aircraft, to their current AA capabilities.
[Of course, the Russians no doubt are doing plenty of their own studying in regards to US aviation capabilities.]
The future has not happened yet. Your powers of prediction at this scale are no better than mine, and I have none.
http://tibetanbuddhistencyclopedia.com/en/index.php/Kalachakra_Prophets:_Mehdi,_Kalki_Avatar_and_the_Messiah
The Buddhas and the Bodhisattvas are a valid source of knowledge.
https://youtu.be/4oED6xzX5K8
The Abrahamics concur.
Who am I to contradict such luminaries?
The only thing they disagree about is who will win this war. So we shall see when we will be there...
If you stop to think about it more carefully you will realize that there is nothing really weird about me not mentioning all other murders in the world when I speak about some particular murders. It is in fact quite natural and we all do it.
For example, you have just mentioned the murders of pro-Ukrainian people in Slaviansk and indeed, I remember that one or two of them appeared dead in a river, clearly assassinated by the separatists. However, you have failed to mention the civilians killed by the separatists in Volnovakha and Mariupol when they counterattacked later that year. If I applied your irrational way of thinking I would conclude that you only oppose the separatist killings in Gorlovka and Slaviansk but are OK with the separatist killings when they happen further south in the Donetsk region.
You would be surprised how little I liked all of this bloodshed. From the very beginning I understood that the ranks of the separatist and their Russian colleagues were full of unsavory thugs. But at least nobody tried to convince me that they were my democratic allies and that the West had an obligation to support them.
Does this suggest that Indians, Chinese and assorted Islamic peoples are masterminding the fall of the Novicons (((Noviop+Neocn)))?Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Those who think that they will benefit from this confrontation are the (((Neocon))) and the (((Noviop))) themselves. They are jockeying for a more important role in the Globalized economy. It is a power game. They will both lose. The Chinese, Indians and Muslims will watch the European ancestry people going down with an incredulous disdain. “They could have reached for the stars, but they reached for the gutter instead…”
https://www.theweek.in/leisure/society/2022/09/24/why-this-scholars-english-translation-of-kalacakra-tantra-is-strategically-important.html
http://tibetanbuddhistencyclopedia.com/en/index.php/Kalachakra_Prophets:_Mehdi,_Kalki_Avatar_and_the_Messiah
The Buddhas and the Bodhisattvas are a valid source of knowledge.
The Abrahamics concur.
Who am I to contradict such luminaries?
The only thing they disagree about is who will win this war. So we shall see when we will be there…
As I have pointed out multiple times... Zelensky is a post-Judaic apostate. He travelled to Israel to insult actual Jews (1). This was very poorly received by Likud and the religious parties. These are the groups that underpin Netanyahu's coalition. Practitioners of Judaism are thus Russia leaning.
Alas, the European Empire (and its agency-less vassal America) is in favour of Kiev aggression. As there is little to gain & much to lose by openly offending a geopolitical side, the Jewish nation is formally neutral. No doubt there is subtle aide going to Russia in terms of sanctions & banking workarounds, however this cannot be openly discussed for obvious reasons.
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I really do NOT understand why certain posters keep trying to blame the U.S. Our current regime is loathed by the American people. The string of impotent incompetence from the White House keeps getting worse by the day.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLFctyDRldc
Security knows exactly whose cocaine it is... However, no one wants to elevate Not-The-VP Harris to the top slot. She might accidentally start a nuclear war.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/Replies: @QCIC
Did you ever post this helpful link? This article in Haaretz clarifies a few things.
https://www.haaretz.com/2014-10-18/ty-article/.premium/the-most-powerful-jew-in-the-world/0000017f-ea28-d639-af7f-ebffe41b0000
Title: Is This Man the Most Powerful Jew in the World? [Igor Kolomoisky]
What a den of thieves:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky-reportedly-strips-3-jewish-oligarchs-of-ukrainian-citizenship/
I’m sure glad to know these poor guys were all corrupted by Islam. LOL.
Zelensky is very corrupt. His neo-Muslim Ukiewood operation is almost identical to Pallywood in form and function. He openly serves the Islamophile European Empire led by Macron & Scholz.
It is pretty easy to identify Zelensky as an enemy of Judaism.
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The various Euro dissident groups should have been doing this first and foremost all along, that and advocating people’s right of refusal to take part in the current system as he indicates. If enough were to do that, the current system without enough ‘cogs’ to operate it could potentially break down, and these dissident groups would have a healthy alternative to offer.
The ethnonats should have never bought into the whole democracy scheme. It was a losing bargain since its very inception. Those who believe that nationalists or ethnocentrists might win over the postmodern Euro-descended peoples are deluded. We are already in Babylon 2.0 and we must survive until the Tower crumbles. The ethnonats must learn to live as diaspora networks pervading through Globalization. Anatoly is right about it.
IOW, it's been 30 years of acting as the self-appointed policemen of the world and the results have generally been quite disastrous. Even in Afghanistan, where there was a rather good case for removing the Taliban, the US wasn't able to leave in time, started another insane nation building project and finally had to let the Taliban take over again. No more foreign interventions that are not of a clearly defensive nature, thanks.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AP
None of those places that were disastrous have been in Europe.
Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and even Kosovo are okay. Certainly better than before Western intervention.
Likewise for Visegrad.
Ukraine has much more in common with such places than it does with Afghanistan or Uganda.
As a side note, even the Western military intervention in Iraq was not an unequivocal minus. The Iraqi insurgency was defeated, as was ISIS, and Iraqis nowadays are probably at least slightly better off than they were under Saddam Hussein. At least Iraqis have free and fair multiparty elections and a more independent judiciary nowadays. But on the flip side, Iraq's Shi'a paramilitary forces (the ones who were recreated to help fight ISIS in 2014) now appear to be both enriching themselves and getting out of control:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/iraq-quietly-falling-apart
Kosovo is comparable to Iraq (but much less bloody) in the sense that its Christian (Serb, in Kosovo's case) population got ethnically cleansed but its majority population did become better off as a result of the Western intervention into their country.
You are correct that higher average IQ countries tend to produce better outcomes as a result of Western interventions relative to lower average IQ countries, though. This isn't only evident in Europe but also in East Asia: Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, for instance. And Hong Kong as well. Maybe Singapore too due to it being a former British colony.Replies: @Wokechoke
The last time I tried to look at twitter they would not let me in. I don't have an account. Never have had an account. Apparently now I never will have an account though I never say never about things like that. It is not in the same category as voting for Donald the Fat.Replies: @Dmitry, @Mikel
This guy was going to end censorship on Twitter and now we’re all censored out. Well, at least all billions of us who don’t have a Twitter account and don’t want to open one just because this idiot woke up a week ago with a new brilliant idea. People like Tucker are toast. The majority of his audience vanished in one day by Elon. And it looks like people with an account are also having problems. What a total retard.
The rumor side of the story is that the scraping is tied to the Threads service launched by Instagram. However, nothing concrete on that and I am mildly dubious. Only the technically illiterate have difficulty finding copies of Tucker's material that originally ran on Twitter. Low IQ yahoo #NeverTrump extremists are hardly the 'majority of Tucker's audience'.
High IQ Trump supporters quickly identified alternate routing to obtain access to Tucker's high quality reporting about the need for America to disengage with a stupid fight in Ukraine. For example:
https://rumble.com/c/TuckerCarlsonTonightTheFiveJesseWattersPrimetimeGutfeldUnfilteredwithDanBongino
https://rumble.com/embed/v2w4ykg/
As an added bonus it also has other related material such as interviews with Tucker that are not specifically his Twitter releases.
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https://www.threads.net/@bloombergbusinessIn terms of the "economic moat" theory, Twitter has the "switching costs" and "network effects".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_moat But Zuckerberg partly avoids these parts of an "economic moat" by using the customers from Instagram.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
This goes beyond the total impossibility of, against all visual evidence and impartial witness accounts, you knowing better than all of them what exactly happened. Yours is an outlandish claim on the most basic grounds because armed forces shooting at unarmed protesters in order to quell a rebellion is a time-honored practice used by regimes of all colors. It really works, I've seen it with my eyes. I was a child at the time but I perfectly remember the day after the Spanish police killed 5 demonstrators in nearby towns with live fire. You could feel the fear in the air. A pro-independence demonstration had been convoked in the evening in my hometown, like all previous days that week, but this time only a few dared attend and confront the police. The pro-independence week of demonstrations came to an end everywhere.
Now, what you're telling us is that paramilitary chieftain and shady oligarch Avakov did not do what even democratic countries like Spain or the UK have sometimes done when popular revolts start getting out of hand. How likely would that be even in the absence of any visual evidence? I addressed that head-on from the very beginning: the lives of unarmed civilians are more valuable than administrative buildings. Period.
The problem here is that both JJ and you are just unable to conceive that people may operate with totally different priorities and mental schemes to yours. You are not defending what the Mariupol soldiers did on the basis of what actually happened there. You first decide who is the legitimate side from your pov and then, post-hoc, defend and rationalize anything that that side did. There is absolutely no doubt that if we were talking about the very same events in occupied Kherson, with unarmed Ukrainian civilians dying under the exact same circumstances and Russian occupiers doing the shooting, your conclusions about what happened there would be diametrically different.
But let's bury that reverse El Alamo scenario once and for all:
- The US should immediately close the southern border.
- The US should deport any foreigner trying to foment secession of the Southwest.
- In spite of all the above, if a secession attempt occurred, the US should safeguard the lives of any civilians, especially its own ones, and I would totally oppose any killing of innocent lives like the ones in Mariupol or Lugansk. Any attempt at expressing what I really think is futile with people like you. If Putin or Unz don't nuke this blog I'm sure you will be asking me to confess my crime again in the future. But no, I see no equivalence between the killing of its own civilians carried out by Ukraine and what Putin has done. The scale is totally different. Putin has killed and displaced many more innocent people while invading a neighboring country, has started the largest war in Europe since WW2 and has threatened to escalate to WW3 if anyone interfered. As if it was just me. There are 8 billion people, most of them unaware of where or what Ukraine is, whose future depends on how we handle this intra-Slavic conflict.Replies: @AP
That video quite literally stated that there were fights between armed separatists and the Ukrainian soldiers and that the civilians were killed in the crossfire.
When armed gangs fight the government in the center of a city with 450,000 there will unfortunately be civilian casualties.
But you blame, not the armed separatists, but the Ukrainian government.
The argument of the Russian butchers.
The journalists who were there described it as being killed in the crossfire.
Why do you claim you know better than them?
Moreover, there was a scene where a mob of mostly young men aggressively approached the soldiers. Did the soldiers aim their guns into the crowd and shoot them? No – they shot into the air.
So clearly killing civilians was not the soldiers’ mission or goal.
You watched that video you posted, right?
But they were filmed shooting into the air when approached by an aggressive though unarmed group of protesters.
I asked about armed protesters.
In Mariupol the gunfighters were with armed protesters who had seized government buildings.
You repeatedly refuse to answer this question.
The video you posted stated that rebels were armed and in a battle with government troops.
The word battle was used in the video that you posted.
That is what happened.
The protesters all being unarmed is something in your head, perhaps it was that incident for your childhood that you falsely imprint upon Mariupol.
In Mariupol there was a battle between the Ukrainian government and armed rebels, during which many unarmed civilians were also killed in the crossfire. The battle took place in the center of a city with 450,000 people so bullets were flying around and hitting a lot of people.
This is the reality you deny.
Not a comparable situation, because Kherson is in Ukraine and Russians are foreign invaders there.
But if Ukrainian separatists chose to take over government buildings in Rostov or Belgorod, the Russian state would have the right to defend its property with force.
So if armed Mexican-American separatists took over government buildings, police stations, etc. in New Mexico, then in order to safeguard civilian lives you would not interfere and would let them keep those buildings, and thereby establish their rule over the area.
Congratulations, you are on the side of the far-leftist government in Seattle that did that with the Chaz for awhile.
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But do you think the US federal government, or indeed any other government, would follow your approach?
I’m glad you have changed your mind. In the past you had written differently. Your words:
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-221/#comment-6019862
The troops moving out of the city shot at unarmed civilians, according to The Guardian.[29][30][31]
Those 3 wikipedia references that I showed you but you ignored are actually 3 different accounts of 3 different Western journalists.
Now, the probabilities of a diaspora Ukrainian who wasn't there knowing better than them what happened and all victims being 100% a consequence of accidental ricocheting are not exactly zero but let's allow each reader to decide how many decimals to put between the zero and the one. Yes, except when they didn't. And that's when the unarmed civilians got killed and injured. Let's try to keep the discussion logical please. Well, that's the crux of the debate, that we've had so many times, isn't it? Why not accept that we have different views and move on? To me a bastard deliberately killing an innocent person is always a bastard, regardless of his nationality or which side of the border he was standing on while commiting his crime. To you these latter circumstances are determinant of the bastardness of the action. Alright, whatever. You're never going to convince me and I'll never convince you either. It's fine by me. Sigh. Again, a bastard throwing a bomb at an apartment building is a bastard, whether he's following Putin's, Porky's or Zelensky's orders. But Putin does have many more bastards and bombs at his disposal and he's decided to use them all in an open war of aggession. Shouldn't be so difficult to grasp these simple concepts without looking for some hidden contradiction in them but it is what it is.
The video is actually rather fair, and presents it as formidable in battle. Probably because the presenter is an actual historian. You probably didn't watch it before posting it.
Polish General Anders prevented them from being handed over to the Soviets and killed, as occurred to the Cossacks and to your beloved Vlasov.Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW
-Russian diplomats formally complained about NATO expansion for decades.
-Russia put down armed rebellion in Chechnya at great cost.
-Russia protected Abkhazia and South Ossetia using military force.
-After patient attempts at negotiation with the West over crucial nuclear MAD concerns had failed, Russia developed new, extremely dangerous nuclear weapons to protect itself from the West.
-Russia worked diligently to make her economy resistant to sanctions after 2014.
-After Maidan, moves by the Kiev government led to civil war and combat in Eastern Ukraine which includes well documented Ukrainian shelling of civilian targets in Russian-speaking areas.
-Modern followers of Bandera and other self-avowed NeoNAZIs have a measure of public acceptability in Ukraine.
With these points in mind,
Please tell me you were not surprised when Russia moved troops into Ukraine to resolve what she sees as existential military threats by the West against Russia.
Please tell me you understand the concept of "The Red line that shall not be crossed without consequences". Western meddling in Ukraine was that red line for Russia. The USA and the West and Ukrainian politicians crossed this line. Russia is implementing the consequences.
If Ukraine ends up being predictably destroyed, will you accept that you were mistaken about this post-Cold War struggle between the West and Russia? Or will you double-down and make more excuses for Ukraine and the West and continue to ignore the big picture which is readily visible to articulate adults such as yourself?Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
Correction: Russia used many excuses in order to defend its invasion of another country.
So aggressive Russian diplomats demand that independent countries should not be independent and should not have the right to choose with whom they enter into treaties with.
Non-aggressive USA allowed a major Soviet base with satellite and radar equipment and hundreds of Soviet troops in Cuba, but did not bomb or invade Cuba (at most it armed some Cuban dissidents but this was even less than what Russia did for Donbas separatists).
But aggressive Russia demanded that countries to its west not be allowed to join NATO.
Indeed, And no country used that as an excuse to invade and bomb Russia. Unlike Russia, which used the rebellion in Ukraine (Donbass) that Russia financed and armed as an excuse to invade and bomb Ukraine.
It’s an example of Russia being aggressive while the West was not aggressive.
Aggressive Russia invaded and took territory from another country.
Non-aggressive West, meanwhile, did not protect Chechnya from Russia and allowed Russia to crush the Chechen rebellion.
That is certainly Russia’s right to do.
Good.
With about 1/10 the casualties of Russian bombings in Chechnya.
Wagner Neonazis are popular in Russia. As Is Stalin, who killed almost as many people as Hitler, and far more people than did Bandera (both in raw numbers and per capita on the territories each controlled).
Aggressive Russia makes “red lines” in other countries and invades them if they disobey Russia.
Bloodthirsty QCIC makes excuses for aggressive Russia and blames its victims. He wants maximum death for those who dare disobey aggressive Russia. Perhaps, out of hatred for his own country.
My impression is that you were not surprised, but believed Ukrainian forces would give the Russian troops a hard time (as in the first Chechen War), leading Russia to abandon her SMO.
-Do you understand the general concept of the red line which shall not be crossed?
I also assume you understand the red line idea but mistakenly believe it doesn't apply here.
I am against WW3 and nuclear war so I want to reduce the bloodshed on all sides. I love the USA but not the treasonous morons who run it.Replies: @Mikhail, @AP
The Twitter lockdown is due to massive bot scraping over loading the system. Possibly other malicious tampering. Hopefully Elon will have his tech team build some anti-scraping tech in short order. Once that happens, Twitter service should return to open view. — Patience Is A Virtue —
The rumor side of the story is that the scraping is tied to the Threads service launched by Instagram. However, nothing concrete on that and I am mildly dubious.
Only the technically illiterate have difficulty finding copies of Tucker’s material that originally ran on Twitter. Low IQ yahoo #NeverTrump extremists are hardly the ‘majority of Tucker’s audience’.
High IQ Trump supporters quickly identified alternate routing to obtain access to Tucker’s high quality reporting about the need for America to disengage with a stupid fight in Ukraine. For example:
https://rumble.com/c/TuckerCarlsonTonightTheFiveJesseWattersPrimetimeGutfeldUnfilteredwithDanBongino
Video Link
As an added bonus it also has other related material such as interviews with Tucker that are not specifically his Twitter releases.
PEACE 😇
https://rumble.com/embed/v2w4w1u/
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The funny thing is that you are a Vlasovite, posting this.
The video is actually rather fair, and presents it as formidable in battle. Probably because the presenter is an actual historian. You probably didn’t watch it before posting it.
Polish General Anders prevented them from being handed over to the Soviets and killed, as occurred to the Cossacks and to your beloved Vlasov.
Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and even Kosovo are okay. Certainly better than before Western intervention.
Likewise for Visegrad.
Ukraine has much more in common with such places than it does with Afghanistan or Uganda.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
The Sovok mentality affected Ukraine more extensively than it did the Warsaw Pact countries, but thankfully that appears to be significantly changing as a result of the events of the past ten years. A country where 87% does not regret the Soviet collapse has thankfully finally shed its Sovok mentality and is hopefully bound for better things in the future (with a lot of Western help/aid).
As a side note, even the Western military intervention in Iraq was not an unequivocal minus. The Iraqi insurgency was defeated, as was ISIS, and Iraqis nowadays are probably at least slightly better off than they were under Saddam Hussein. At least Iraqis have free and fair multiparty elections and a more independent judiciary nowadays. But on the flip side, Iraq’s Shi’a paramilitary forces (the ones who were recreated to help fight ISIS in 2014) now appear to be both enriching themselves and getting out of control:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/iraq-quietly-falling-apart
Kosovo is comparable to Iraq (but much less bloody) in the sense that its Christian (Serb, in Kosovo’s case) population got ethnically cleansed but its majority population did become better off as a result of the Western intervention into their country.
You are correct that higher average IQ countries tend to produce better outcomes as a result of Western interventions relative to lower average IQ countries, though. This isn’t only evident in Europe but also in East Asia: Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, for instance. And Hong Kong as well. Maybe Singapore too due to it being a former British colony.
Stfu JewboyReplies: @Mr. XYZ
https://www.haaretz.com/2014-10-18/ty-article/.premium/the-most-powerful-jew-in-the-world/0000017f-ea28-d639-af7f-ebffe41b0000
Title: Is This Man the Most Powerful Jew in the World? [Igor Kolomoisky]
What a den of thieves:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky-reportedly-strips-3-jewish-oligarchs-of-ukrainian-citizenship/
I'm sure glad to know these poor guys were all corrupted by Islam. LOL.Replies: @A123
Thank you for making my point for me. Anti-Semite Zelensky had three Jews stripped of citizenship.
Zelensky is very corrupt. His neo-Muslim Ukiewood operation is almost identical to Pallywood in form and function. He openly serves the Islamophile European Empire led by Macron & Scholz.
It is pretty easy to identify Zelensky as an enemy of Judaism.
PEACE 😇
I don't know what Zelensky said to the Knesset which got you so riled up but just remember he is a comedian. However, you should do some research on Igor. It would be interesting to know what Talmudic or Kabbalistic sect he aligns with.
Do you consider these groups non-Jewish, is that the point you are always trying to make? Are you a Karaite?Replies: @A123
The video is actually rather fair, and presents it as formidable in battle. Probably because the presenter is an actual historian. You probably didn't watch it before posting it.
Polish General Anders prevented them from being handed over to the Soviets and killed, as occurred to the Cossacks and to your beloved Vlasov.Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW
The idiotic thing is that a key difference between Vlasov and the OUN/UPA/Galician SS was previously discussed at length with your not having a valid counter. That exchange involved German Reader.
Related –
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/
Non-aggressive USA allowed a major Soviet base with satellite and radar equipment and hundreds of Soviet troops in Cuba, but did not bomb or invade Cuba (at most it armed some Cuban dissidents but this was even less than what Russia did for Donbas separatists).
But aggressive Russia demanded that countries to its west not be allowed to join NATO. Indeed, And no country used that as an excuse to invade and bomb Russia. Unlike Russia, which used the rebellion in Ukraine (Donbass) that Russia financed and armed as an excuse to invade and bomb Ukraine.
It's an example of Russia being aggressive while the West was not aggressive. Aggressive Russia invaded and took territory from another country.
Non-aggressive West, meanwhile, did not protect Chechnya from Russia and allowed Russia to crush the Chechen rebellion. That is certainly Russia's right to do. Good. With about 1/10 the casualties of Russian bombings in Chechnya. Wagner Neonazis are popular in Russia. As Is Stalin, who killed almost as many people as Hitler, and far more people than did Bandera (both in raw numbers and per capita on the territories each controlled). Aggressive Russia makes "red lines" in other countries and invades them if they disobey Russia.
Bloodthirsty QCIC makes excuses for aggressive Russia and blames its victims. He wants maximum death for those who dare disobey aggressive Russia. Perhaps, out of hatred for his own country.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
Thousands of Soviet troops in Cuba, no? (Hundreds is a significant underestimation.)
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-09-12-mn-2964-story.html
“Gorbachev’s figure of 11,000 for Soviet troop strength in Cuba was significantly higher than most Western estimates, which run from 7,700 to …”
Russia also demanded that there should be no military cooperation between the West/NATO and ex-USSR countries, at least without Russia’s consent. How exactly are ex-USSR countries supposed to protect themselves from Russia, then? Rely on China or India? Build their own nukes?
Interestingly enough, John Mearsheimer, a notable foreign policy realist who blamed NATO for provoking Russia for Russia’s actions starting from 2014, actually argued back in 1993 that Ukraine should keep its nuclear deterrent. But what if Russia would not have approved of hundreds or even thousands of Ukrainian nuclear missiles being targeted at Moscow? Would such an outcome have really been better for Russia than having Ukraine be in NATO but without any NATO missiles or nukes ever actually being stationed there?
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2019/08/21/getting-real-with-the-us-foreign-policy-establishment-realists/Replies: @Mr. XYZ
-The Cuban crisis was part of a long Cold War chain of events with provocations on all sides.
-The precipitating event (the Red Line) was US placement of Jupiter missiles in Turkey.
-The biggest human achievement of the crisis was Arkhipov not launching the nuclear armed torpedo.
-The whole thing (both sides) was dangerous and stupid since ballistic missile submarines were operational by then, with their own horrifying new problems.
Unlike some posters at Unz, Arkhipov understood the big picture with nuclear weapons. R.I.P.
Some Hispanics in the US seem to be drawn to white nationalism. Nowhere near a majority, of course, but still a sufficiently notable minority. Perhaps not surprising since racism also exists in Latin America, where whiteness is perceived as both privileged and prestigious.
And of course some Asian women in the US don’t mind dating white nationalist men. They will get to be their future waifus if everything will work out lol.
Europe triumphed over other civilisations through each country in West Europe augmenting it’s strength as the only way to survive in the endless wars of Europe. Russia is growing in domestic productive capacity and other autarkic capabilities as a result of the war, and it is now in a better geopolitical position inasmuch America cannot now assume the Russians will prefer to join a Western based block over-against a future Megapower China, so the US will have to come across with something better than China can offer to entice the Kremlin to switch.
The core of RusFed is also becoming more cohesive as the affluent liberal urban opponents of the war leave. And as Margarita Simonyan has said, in war the inevitability of being born to die is made salient, as is the easy acceptance of death if one has reproduced.
The liberal elite who are now emigres abroad left because they were were scared of getting their balls blown off in Ukraine, but they were barely going to use them to reproduce anyway.
He has flip flopped a bit:
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2019/08/21/getting-real-with-the-us-foreign-policy-establishment-realists/
Much as Britain's central battle doctrine was domination of the seas, America's central battlefield doctrine is domination of the air, ie getting it and maintaining it.
I imagine everything possible from the war in Ukraine is being gleaned and closely scrutinized by the US intelligence agencies in this regard, from videos of interrogations of downed Russian pilots, to studying the crashed remains of their aircraft, to their current AA capabilities.
[Of course, the Russians no doubt are doing plenty of their own studying in regards to US aviation capabilities.]Replies: @Wokechoke
I suspect the Russians pulled the plug on helping Iraq. The reputation of their gear never recovered.
This is a particularly amusing lie:
US states per capita income and per capita income adjusted for cost of living:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_adjusted_per_capita_personal_income
The most populated Northeastern states:
Raw:
Connecticut $77,289 (ranked #1)
Massachusetts $74,187 (ranked #2)
New York $71,717 (ranked #3)
New Jersey $70,471 (ranked #4)
Pennsylvania: $58,032 (ranked #15)
California: $66,619 (ranked #5)
Adjusted for cost of living:
Connecticut $73,425 (ranked #1)
Massachusetts $67,510 (ranked #3)
New York $61,677 (ranked #6)
New Jersey $60,605 (ranked #9)
Pennsylvania: $59,773 (ranked #15)
California $57,292 (ranked #21)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income
Canada: $38,900
Slovakia: $23,800
Overall, in terms of income, the Northeast is the richest part of the USA even when the high cost of living is accounted for. And the richest place in the world, on average.
Germany, the richest major country in Europe in terms of income when taking into account cost of living, only has 65% of the per capita average income of Massachusetts.
There are isolated pockets of poverty in the Northeast. The isolation makes the nice areas nicer. This isn’t California, where drug abusers camp in front of expensive houses. Except maybe crowded Manhattan. Maine has some rural poverty, but it is sparsely populated and is a place for woods, cabins, and vacations by people further south. It’s charming.
But keep on making those grapes sour, Beckow 🙂
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eexDqDT8f9Y/VtgNrEfrEuI/AAAAAAAAAcA/9v8N7MBXcSE/s500/Murray2003_America.png
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QmZrri2qmyE/VtgNsabC6ZI/AAAAAAAAAcE/6IT3BiVgSpM/s730/Murray2003_America_2.png
Elite science production based on the Nature Index:
https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/map-nature-index-cities-north-america-2017.png
So, it's not surprising that the Northeastern US is the wealthiest part of the US.
The Northeast, along with the Midwest, is also the brightest part of the US on average:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/13/actually-mr-trump-iowa-is-one-of-the-smartest-states-in-the-union/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2015/11/ScoresSmarts.jpg&w=1200
California has a lot of elite human capital but also a lot of dull people.
The video is actually rather fair, and presents it as formidable in battle. Probably because the presenter is an actual historian. You probably didn't watch it before posting it.
Polish General Anders prevented them from being handed over to the Soviets and killed, as occurred to the Cossacks and to your beloved Vlasov.Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW
He’s not a real neo-Vlasovite. Nowhere near.
His Russian White ancestry still makes him superior to a Sovok, even though he is dumber than almost all of them.
On the Cluster Bombs…
The CBU is typically used to drop on concentrations of enemy troops.
Germany had perfected this weapon right before Barbarossa. He88 bombers were the main delivery vehicle. When Soviet units would draw up together to mass for a counter attack the He88 would arrive and dump the bomblettes all over the staging areas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_250-2
Soviet high command was not aware of the existence of this bomb type for weeks. So one of the reasons the Soviets lost so many troops in the first month of Barbarossa is that generals kept massing troops for assaults without anti aircraft cover.
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2019/08/21/getting-real-with-the-us-foreign-policy-establishment-realists/Replies: @Mr. XYZ
How exactly did he flip-flop? I don’t see him flip-flopping when he argues that Russia wants to wreck a Ukraine that’s not aligned with it and is instead aligned with the West.
Massachusetts $74,187 (ranked #2)
New York $71,717 (ranked #3)
New Jersey $70,471 (ranked #4)
Pennsylvania: $58,032 (ranked #15)California: $66,619 (ranked #5)Adjusted for cost of living:Connecticut $73,425 (ranked #1)
Massachusetts $67,510 (ranked #3)
New York $61,677 (ranked #6)
New Jersey $60,605 (ranked #9)
Pennsylvania: $59,773 (ranked #15)California $57,292 (ranked #21)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_incomeCanada: $38,900
Slovakia: $23,800Overall, in terms of income, the Northeast is the richest part of the USA even when the high cost of living is accounted for. And the richest place in the world, on average. Germany, the richest major country in Europe in terms of income when taking into account cost of living, only has 65% of the per capita average income of Massachusetts. There are isolated pockets of poverty in the Northeast. The isolation makes the nice areas nicer. This isn't California, where drug abusers camp in front of expensive houses. Except maybe crowded Manhattan. Maine has some rural poverty, but it is sparsely populated and is a place for woods, cabins, and vacations by people further south. It's charming. But keep on making those grapes sour, Beckow :-)Replies: @Mr. XYZ
The Northeast is also where a huge part of the US’s best (elite) human capital resides. From maps that I have previously posted above:
Elite science production based on the Nature Index:
So, it’s not surprising that the Northeastern US is the wealthiest part of the US.
The Northeast, along with the Midwest, is also the brightest part of the US on average:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/13/actually-mr-trump-iowa-is-one-of-the-smartest-states-in-the-union/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2015/11/ScoresSmarts.jpg&w=1200
California has a lot of elite human capital but also a lot of dull people.
Once China rose, could America have ever assumed that Russia was going to side with it against China? Even back in 2001, Russia and China had already jointly created the SCO alliance. This suggests that even back then, Russia wanted to have a foot in both camps, no? (Russia also proposed joining NATO back then but this didn’t pan out.)
China's rise was facilitated by America because US strategists thought China to be a natural rival of the Soviet Union which was thought to be outproducing the US in ICBMs.
The current situation where Russia is weak and China the threat, the original assumptions might still have held good when it came down to it. But the Ukraine war. whereby Russia is being severely tested puts any idea of the Kremlin turning to Washington in doubt.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
He has since used that characterization of the West, relative to Ukraine. Russia doesn’t want to wreck Ukraine, thereby explaining its clear support for a neutral Ukraine, in conjunction with waiting seven years for the Minsk Accords to be observed, as opposed to seeing an increase in anti-Russian militarism. The manner of the SMO isn’t akin to the shock and awe blitzkrieg methodology.
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But do you think the US federal government, or indeed any other government, would follow your approach? I'm glad you have changed your mind. In the past you had written differently. Your words:https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-221/#comment-6019862 Replies: @Mikel
BS:
The troops moving out of the city shot at unarmed civilians, according to The Guardian.[29][30][31]
Those 3 wikipedia references that I showed you but you ignored are actually 3 different accounts of 3 different Western journalists.
Now, the probabilities of a diaspora Ukrainian who wasn’t there knowing better than them what happened and all victims being 100% a consequence of accidental ricocheting are not exactly zero but let’s allow each reader to decide how many decimals to put between the zero and the one.
Yes, except when they didn’t. And that’s when the unarmed civilians got killed and injured. Let’s try to keep the discussion logical please.
Well, that’s the crux of the debate, that we’ve had so many times, isn’t it? Why not accept that we have different views and move on? To me a bastard deliberately killing an innocent person is always a bastard, regardless of his nationality or which side of the border he was standing on while commiting his crime. To you these latter circumstances are determinant of the bastardness of the action. Alright, whatever. You’re never going to convince me and I’ll never convince you either. It’s fine by me.
Sigh. Again, a bastard throwing a bomb at an apartment building is a bastard, whether he’s following Putin’s, Porky’s or Zelensky’s orders. But Putin does have many more bastards and bombs at his disposal and he’s decided to use them all in an open war of aggession. Shouldn’t be so difficult to grasp these simple concepts without looking for some hidden contradiction in them but it is what it is.
GAE could have coexisted with the "Russian World". It can't exist in a world of network states.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh
The Minsk Agreements were signed under duress, which explains why Ukraine didn’t follow them. Also, Ukraine’s and Russia’s interpretations of these accords differed.
The zero sum game Banderite, neocon-neolib approach is what's responsible for Ukraine's situation.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1676188700454051840.html
If Russia wants to create an alternative America, its best bet would be to join the EU (and to push for Turkey to likewise be allowed to join the EU). This would require a lot of reforms and a different mentality in both Russia and Turkey. But an EU with 750 million people could indeed be quite a significant friendly rival to a US with 350-400 million people. A Greater Russia with 200 million people simply wouldn’t have been able to compete with either one of these, especially given its low R & D spending and very poor performance on the Nature Index relative to both the EU and the US.
The McCainiac myth of Russia being a gas station masquerading as a country has been factually debunked beyond a reasonable doubt.
There is Maurras’ well known (to French nationalists at least) prison cell prophecy from the last years of his life:
From 1951.
The Minsk Accords saved the Kiev regime from defeat as suggested by Merkel among others. It gave the Kiev regime a chance to have Donbass under the reasonably premised idea of autonomy where the Donbass population wouldn’t be force fed Banderite, neocon, neolib ideas.
The zero sum game Banderite, neocon-neolib approach is what’s responsible for Ukraine’s situation.
The EU has become a willing vassal of the US, whose elites don’t want a strong EU or Russia. As the US dominated IMF, has acknowledged, Russia has economically done done better than the UK and Germany since 2/24/22. During this period, the ruble has been stable unlike the dollar. Russia has plenty of good, cheap food and energy – something lacking within the collective West.
The McCainiac myth of Russia being a gas station masquerading as a country has been factually debunked beyond a reasonable doubt.
A couple of other points on this topic:
https://www.edwest.co.uk/p/immigration-and-the-cup-of-eternal?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Interesting looking book:
One of top amazon reviews seems to be almost making the counter-argument that it is worth it for the restaurants anyway?
https://unherd.com/thepost/germany-needs-1-5-million-new-immigrants-per-year/
The recent trend to step up migration in Western countries seems to be driven by economists.
Moscow Will Probably Begin Formal Surrender Negotiations By the End of the Year
https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/moscow-will-probably-begin-formal
Afaik a lot of the New Testament is made up of quotation and paraphrase of parts of the content of the Old, or references back to it. I think you can start to see it in a Bible with commentary that gives the relevant OT references.
Again, afaik the Christian explanation for the differences between the OT and the NT is based on original/ancestral sin and the old and new covenants. The Incarnation and Christ modifies how the Old Testament is supposed to be read. The OT is about when man still lived under the old law and in the power of mortality, but it pointed to the coming of the new law.
Russia is not a natural ally of China; they are too close. An ally is ideally on the far side of a potential enemy state. Examples: Russia has an alliance with India. China has one with Pakistan.
China’s rise was facilitated by America because US strategists thought China to be a natural rival of the Soviet Union which was thought to be outproducing the US in ICBMs.
The current situation where Russia is weak and China the threat, the original assumptions might still have held good when it came down to it. But the Ukraine war. whereby Russia is being severely tested puts any idea of the Kremlin turning to Washington in doubt.
Even still, credit to Berletic for using his own research throughout this entire conflict to counter the Western MSM narrative. Berletic is biased and is prone to cope but he's provided a needed alternative perspective to the conventional wisdom in the West, and to some extent he has even been proven right.
I'm trying to think of an example in modern war of an offensive achieving breakthrough after more than a month of being stopped cold. I can't think of one and the new tactics Ukraine is using are not conducive to achieving a breakthrough anyway. The Ukrainians are now using purely attritional tactics but there is no reason to believe that they are giving better than they are getting, and I suspect that the reverse is actually true.
It's unclear how much longer the Ukrainian offensive will last. I think it will slow down dramatically after the NATO summit but I don't think it will end completely until early September.
The thing is, the Russian army also appears to be in pretty bad shape. They are severely outnumbered on the front by the Ukrainians and they lack the means to launch a significant counter offensive when the Ukrainian offensive finally ends.Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack
I don’t know at which blog exactly you were commenting at last year, but I believe that you’ve found a home here at this one. I’ve enjoyed your spiel quite a bit since you first started blogging here a few months back. Remember, “the truth shall set you free”, so keep it up!
The rumor side of the story is that the scraping is tied to the Threads service launched by Instagram. However, nothing concrete on that and I am mildly dubious. Only the technically illiterate have difficulty finding copies of Tucker's material that originally ran on Twitter. Low IQ yahoo #NeverTrump extremists are hardly the 'majority of Tucker's audience'.
High IQ Trump supporters quickly identified alternate routing to obtain access to Tucker's high quality reporting about the need for America to disengage with a stupid fight in Ukraine. For example:
https://rumble.com/c/TuckerCarlsonTonightTheFiveJesseWattersPrimetimeGutfeldUnfilteredwithDanBongino
https://rumble.com/embed/v2w4ykg/
As an added bonus it also has other related material such as interviews with Tucker that are not specifically his Twitter releases.
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Not sure why the above link failed, the video is still there.
Video Link
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But yes, I had watched a clip of that video, the one posted at Zerohedge, and it was very good. Tucker unadulterated. He even threw some jabs at Trump. It is _not_ Tucker's Twitter show, though. He made as bad a choice as DeSantis when selecting Twitter as his new platform. Most of his potential watchers have no way of following him if they don't resort to someone else reposting his twitter episodes, of which there have been none this past week, as far as I know. A total disaster.
In any case, DeSantis's campaign seems to be going the way of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Right now everything's pointing at a new Trump-Biden rematch and, in all likelihood, a similar outcome. But RFK keeps making more sense each time I listen to him. I thought he was a climate change nutter but his positions on most subjects are so sane that even Trump has acknowledged it. In a Trump-RFK match I'd have a serious problem making my choice.Replies: @AP, @A123, @Sher Singh
I’m listening?…
Christian doctrine was carefully assembled over a long process, openly, during the many councils that it held, including many learned men. gnosticism was rooted out by a majority of the partakers of these councils thankfully for just being plain wrong.
Go ahead, I’m still listening. BTW, It’s good to see that you seem to have dropped your “bold” (silly) pronouncement that God the Father (Heavenly Father) within the Triune Godship was no one less than Mara of Buddhist theology. 🙂
This is what I am currently reading. Have you ever heard about it ? If not, why ?
The Church Councils excommunicating the non-Trinitarian Christians, and the Church "mainstream" expurging those who relied on knowledge (gnosis) instead of blind faith (pistis) have led to altering the doctrine forever.
The most direct quotation of Jesus teaching is to be found in the Gospel of Thomas that the Church made into a heretical apocryphon. Have you read it ?
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
If not, then how can you be sure that you really know what our Lord Jesus taught?
I read and re-read it several times and will keep on reading the Gospels on a regular basis because these writings preserve the memories of a truly unique being coming into our World. A memory that the Church has distorted beyond any credible recognition. Just like the Stalinists distorted the doctrines put forward by Marx.
And yes YHWH is the Demiurge, same as Mara and completely different from our Heavenly Father.
https://www.learnreligions.com/thmb/_90UOGH-9TsgJ1rtXDVhsYk8Nz0=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/A1wheelrealm-56a0c4133df78cafdaa4d32c.jpg
This is what YHWH looks like to the Tibetans, way closer to what this entity is really about.Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
Again, afaik the Christian explanation for the differences between the OT and the NT is based on original/ancestral sin and the old and new covenants. The Incarnation and Christ modifies how the Old Testament is supposed to be read. The OT is about when man still lived under the old law and in the power of mortality, but it pointed to the coming of the new law.Replies: @Mr. Hack
This may all be true, but it still doesn’t explain the differences in personality of God the Father as evidenced within His appearances within the Old and New testaments.
But what are the differences, if you take out the aspects related to original sin and humanity’s state before the Incarnation? I was presenting the argument that God’s teachings and interactions with people were related to the state of humanity at a given point in sacred history and what God wanted to teach, this is the kind of explanation that is usually given.
I think generalising about the OT is hard because of the variety of content about God in it (some of the Prophets compared to Judges, the Wisdom books compared to both).
1) OT is the imperfect record of the cult of a titular deity (demon) of a Northern Arabian Semitic population evolving into a "universal" religion.
2) NT / Gospels are the records of the Teachings of a young cosmopolitan Galilean (not Hebrew) Hellenistic Rabbi who has spent his formative years in Alexandria. A city which had up to 40% Judaic population (mostly Hellenistic Gerim), was thoroughly open to the wide Oikumene - the westernmost point in the two branches of the Silk Road. At a time when the Greek Koine and Aramaic were spoken all the way up to India and the gates of China in Tokharistan.
The young Rabbi who has learned a lot in Alexandria (as mentioned in Celsus "Against Christians"), came back home to the Judaic hinterland, and tried to impart some "latest flavor" of wisdom into his folk and kin. He diturbed their simple archaic life and threatened the Pharisean litterati and the Sadducean priestly elites. And they killed him for doing so.
And yeah, in Aramaic, the Holy Ghost is feminine (just like Shekinah is - a typical feminine Πάρεδροι situation, just like in Tantric Buddhist thought), that is why early Gnostic Christians sometimes ironically opined about it being impossible for a woman to conceive from a female spirit. http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gop.htmlReplies: @Dmitry
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatessaron
This is what I am currently reading. Have you ever heard about it ? If not, why ?
The Church Councils excommunicating the non-Trinitarian Christians, and the Church “mainstream” expurging those who relied on knowledge (gnosis) instead of blind faith (pistis) have led to altering the doctrine forever.
The most direct quotation of Jesus teaching is to be found in the Gospel of Thomas that the Church made into a heretical apocryphon.
Have you read it ?
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
If not, then how can you be sure that you really know what our Lord Jesus taught?
I read and re-read it several times and will keep on reading the Gospels on a regular basis because these writings preserve the memories of a truly unique being coming into our World. A memory that the Church has distorted beyond any credible recognition. Just like the Stalinists distorted the doctrines put forward by Marx.
And yes YHWH is the Demiurge, same as Mara and completely different from our Heavenly Father.
This is what YHWH looks like to the Tibetans, way closer to what this entity is really about.
BTW, I'm much more interested in picking up a copy of "Cosmas Indicopleustes" that you also mention above, who sounds like an earlier manifestation of Ibn Battuta. Two different translations of Ibn's Travels grace the shelves of my personal library, a special place awaits Cosmas' Travels. Thanks for bringing him to my attention.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
It is quite simple to explain if we put mysticism aside:
1) OT is the imperfect record of the cult of a titular deity (demon) of a Northern Arabian Semitic population evolving into a “universal” religion.
2) NT / Gospels are the records of the Teachings of a young cosmopolitan Galilean (not Hebrew) Hellenistic Rabbi who has spent his formative years in Alexandria. A city which had up to 40% Judaic population (mostly Hellenistic Gerim), was thoroughly open to the wide Oikumene – the westernmost point in the two branches of the Silk Road. At a time when the Greek Koine and Aramaic were spoken all the way up to India and the gates of China in Tokharistan.
The young Rabbi who has learned a lot in Alexandria (as mentioned in Celsus “Against Christians”), came back home to the Judaic hinterland, and tried to impart some “latest flavor” of wisdom into his folk and kin. He diturbed their simple archaic life and threatened the Pharisean litterati and the Sadducean priestly elites. And they killed him for doing so.
And yeah, in Aramaic, the Holy Ghost is feminine (just like Shekinah is – a typical feminine Πάρεδροι situation, just like in Tantric Buddhist thought), that is why early Gnostic Christians sometimes ironically opined about it being impossible for a woman to conceive from a female spirit.
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gop.html
He’s kinda dumb and probably incapable of understanding or holding a real ideology. He’s the descendant of Russian Whites who was incapable of learning his ancestors’ language but is a fan of Vlasov.
His Russian White ancestry still makes him superior to a Sovok, even though he is dumber than almost all of them.
Supposedly, PiS has halted plans to import Nigerians, but who really knows?
They say the 'mixing' and resulting breeding out (ie genocide in the truest sense of that often much abused term) is 'inevitable', but this is not so. It is only inevitable in their circular thinking, self-fulfilling prophetic, disingenuous, delusional, and hatred consumed minds.
It is only inevitable when you have an economic and political system, ie progressive Multi-Culturalism, which is wage slavery ('cheap labor'/'mass immigration') based. It is only inevitable when you are consciously 'seeding' different groups amongst others, as here, under a flimsy cover of often faux 'asylum seeking' and 'refugees', a situation that to the extent it is real your own policies created. It is only inevitable when legally and extra-legally (ie violent state sanctioned mobs) you suppress natural resistance to it.
In other words, it's not inevitable at all, but this destruction is rather unnaturally and deliberately being made to happen.
In the short term peoples who wish to survive must find a way to do so.
In the longer term there needs to be a separation between those who think organic peoplehood exist and has a right to do so and those who don't. For the arrogant and pompous latter, that is the ultimate nightmare scenario, as it would mean for once in their lives having to squarely face the consequences of their own actions, something which is simultaneously both the best and worst thing that could ever happen to them, and, of which they would no doubt bitterly resist.
This is what I am currently reading. Have you ever heard about it ? If not, why ?
The Church Councils excommunicating the non-Trinitarian Christians, and the Church "mainstream" expurging those who relied on knowledge (gnosis) instead of blind faith (pistis) have led to altering the doctrine forever.
The most direct quotation of Jesus teaching is to be found in the Gospel of Thomas that the Church made into a heretical apocryphon. Have you read it ?
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
If not, then how can you be sure that you really know what our Lord Jesus taught?
I read and re-read it several times and will keep on reading the Gospels on a regular basis because these writings preserve the memories of a truly unique being coming into our World. A memory that the Church has distorted beyond any credible recognition. Just like the Stalinists distorted the doctrines put forward by Marx.
And yes YHWH is the Demiurge, same as Mara and completely different from our Heavenly Father.
https://www.learnreligions.com/thmb/_90UOGH-9TsgJ1rtXDVhsYk8Nz0=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/A1wheelrealm-56a0c4133df78cafdaa4d32c.jpg
This is what YHWH looks like to the Tibetans, way closer to what this entity is really about.Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
Most funny thing these days it having the potential for becoming nice boon for transfetishism:
https://williamgduffy.com/making-sense-of-logion-114-in-the-gospel-of-thomas/
https://hcommons.org/deposits/item/hc:29255/
If the PiS stopped it, then the government after the PiS will do just that: open the gates. Balance of power is unstable in a democracy. For those adept at manipulative dialectics, it is a blessing when playing a long game. Most people don’t realize that the Overton window moves regardless of the government. Most people are kind of limited…
There were all these Catholic countries where they could send people to get an education. There was an outside hierarchy (Propaganda Fide), with its own building, directly concerned with trying to create or perpetuate an inside (though subservient) one.
Whether or not something like that would work today, or how useful it ultimately was, it seems like there is nothing like it today.
European elites are too integrated. It is the opposite problem of the world wars and the previous eras.
__________(1) https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-government-pm-mark-rutte-in-crisis-over-asylum-measures/
Interestingly, it looks like Poland has replaced Hungary with Romania as a strategic partner.
Military buildup:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/prince_charles/article-12276633/ANDREW-NEIL-Poles-rearming-breathtaking-rate-Europes-rising-power.html
The scale of Polish rearmament is breathtaking, leaving much bigger Nato allies such as France, Britain and Germany behind in its wake.
From South Korea alone, the Poles are buying 1,000 (yes 1,000!) K2 main battle tanks, 673 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 48, allowing it to junk (or give to Ukraine) what’s left of its Soviet-era air force. Poland is now the biggest importer of South Korean military hardware in the world.
But the spending spree doesn’t stop there. Poland is also spending more than $6 billion on 366 American Abrams tanks, including 250 of the latest, state-of-the-art model (the M1A2). Combined with its Korean armour, Poland will boast a force of tanks so formidable that it will be unmatched by anyone else in Europe.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ
OT , but for anyone wishing a break, I ran into some interesting Warwick Goble illustrations from the original serialization of H G Wells’ War of the Worlds which first appeared in the UK in Pearson’s Magazine in 1897.
http://johnguycollick.com/warwick-gobles-original-illustrations-to-the-war-of-the-worlds/
Of special note are the illustrations depicting a Martian flying machine and a defiant young woman firing a revolver at one of the off world invaders. 🙂
The White House Press Secretary has been caught lying to the press. (1)
Where is the MSM outrage???
Yes. That is a rhetorical question. Open [MORE] for additional detail.
PEACE 😇
(1) https://instapundit.com/593801/
I was recently thinking about Penal times in Ireland:
There were all these Catholic countries where they could send people to get an education. There was an outside hierarchy (Propaganda Fide), with its own building, directly concerned with trying to create or perpetuate an inside (though subservient) one.
Whether or not something like that would work today, or how useful it ultimately was, it seems like there is nothing like it today.
European elites are too integrated. It is the opposite problem of the world wars and the previous eras.
So you do not think Putin, whose job is to look out for Russia, did a cost benefit analysis and concluded the worst case scenario of an invasion was preferable to what would happen if he did not invade? Or perhaps you believe he ought not to have done any practical reasoning about the particular circumstances at all, and merely relied on the abstract rules that it is forbidden to invade another country and war is always unnecessary as well as ruinous?
For the foreseeable future RusFed’s nuclear arsenal will remain essentially equivalent to America’s, and in the Chinese policy of mainting a certain fixed percentage of its spending each year going to defence will unless Chinese growth halts (with global economic consequences), result in China have a comparable nuclear arsenal to Russia. Moreover, America could not count on Russia staying out of an American war with China now. Indeed if at the end of the day Russia perceives itself as being defeated they will be thirsting for revenge against the West, and looking for their ‘Ukraine’ ( a proxy country to back against the West).
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1677726230802583553
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1677712843708276736Replies: @Sean
Which is why it is important to keep the Overton window moving against migration without assimilation.
Trump’s biggest impact is changing the trajectory of belief on multiple issues. MAGA is about bringing jobs back to the U.S. rather than sending them overseas. Making America self reliant instead of serving the European Empire. Even Not-The-President Biden is reluctantly forced to stay in the new window. The Defense Production Act is being invoked to secure supplies of gallium and germanium that the CCP is trying to embargo. These are huge, Populist favourable, adjustments to the Overton window.
This shift is underway in Europe as well. Remember when Italy would not even try? Now the Overton window has moved to the point where blocking enemy infiltrators is achievable, and most of the criticism is about Meloni is not acting quickly enough. In the Netherlands instead of pre-emptively conceding, the government voluntarily dissolved (1) rather than go soft on migration.
Judeo-Christian values are winning. The Overton Window can shift, we are seeing it. The key is recognizing that it takes time and effort. It took decades for SJW Islamophile 🌐🏳️🌈 Globalism to get this far. It will take decades to unwind the damage.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-government-pm-mark-rutte-in-crisis-over-asylum-measures/
On this fine day of shabbat, a very peculiar Judaic “blessing” on the Judeo-Christian “heretics” will be enunciated in most traditional Synagogue congregations around the World:
https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/1268
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkat_haMinim
Tomorrow, during most Christian services around the World, God whom the faithful in their churches will pray, is the same G-d who has made those who curse them, wish for their obliteration and their erasure from the Book of Life, his own very special Chosen People.
Turn the other cheek Judeo-Christian patsies…
🙂
Interesting.
https://t.me/tolk_tolk/16522
Anti-trans activists have for a while been stating that the trans movement is a manifestation Gnosticism. They consider it to be an ancient heresy that comes back to cause trouble.
https://newdiscourses.com/2023/04/queer-gnostic-cult/
https://newdiscourses.com/2021/08/calamity-scientific-gnosticism/
This, of course, is not applicable to our resident proponent of Gnosticism. It seems to be a troubled offshoot of some kind.
Its two triangles represent the union of the male and female principles in the Judaic Godhood. That is YHWH and Shekinah. This is the androgynous G-d that you direct your prayers to when in Church.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-divine-feminine-in-kabbalah-an-example-of-jewish-renewal/
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13537-shekinah
Now go and pray for the posterity of Abraham, pray well for the well-being of the Chosen People, Goy.
And don't you ever forget to feel superior to those who don't direct their prayers to the Demiurge, never forget that your Judeo-Christian understanding is normative (sarc.)
OTOH the Heavenly Father in the only prayer that Our Lord has ever taught, is the One whose Kingdom is yet to come, isn't it strange for the G-d who supposedly already rules the World completely ?
Also in the Gospels, the Archont of this World is Satan.
John 14:30
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014%3A30&version=NIV
Just like the father of Jews according to Jesus:
John 8:44
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208%3A44&version=NIV
You guys read, but you lack the context and therefore you don't understand. And the context is simple: the Ennemy (Shaitanah in Hebrew and Aramaic) has tempted Jesus in the wilderness, just as he did to Siddhartha under the Bodhi tree.
Matthew 4 1-11
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%204%3A1-11&version=NIV
It was exactly the same entity approaching both of them. Jesus prevailed and was liberated, just like the Budda did.
He then taught his disciples the way of Liberation in parables that they could understand. He did that so they could folllow in His footsteps, become Free through witnessing the Truth, and reach themselves to the dignity of becoming the Sons of God, as is written in the Gnostic apocrypha.
The Gnostics knew and preached about it, but the nascent Orthodox Catholic Church was interested in this World, not thereafter. It was about establishing power on Earth, not opening the escape route towards the Kingdom of Heaven.
Your Judeo-Christian popes did their job alright...
There is something similar with some of the academic feminists who are resisting it, though others who are sceptical of liberalism will be more direct.
Russians for whom a Polish alliance with the West is a problem have been proclaiming this for decades. It hasn’t happened yet, and most likely won’t.
Interestingly, it looks like Poland has replaced Hungary with Romania as a strategic partner.
Military buildup:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/prince_charles/article-12276633/ANDREW-NEIL-Poles-rearming-breathtaking-rate-Europes-rising-power.html
The scale of Polish rearmament is breathtaking, leaving much bigger Nato allies such as France, Britain and Germany behind in its wake.
From South Korea alone, the Poles are buying 1,000 (yes 1,000!) K2 main battle tanks, 673 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 48, allowing it to junk (or give to Ukraine) what’s left of its Soviet-era air force. Poland is now the biggest importer of South Korean military hardware in the world.
But the spending spree doesn’t stop there. Poland is also spending more than $6 billion on 366 American Abrams tanks, including 250 of the latest, state-of-the-art model (the M1A2). Combined with its Korean armour, Poland will boast a force of tanks so formidable that it will be unmatched by anyone else in Europe.
Two birds hit with the same stone.
But keep being happy about the Poles getting ready to be incinerated en mass and the Final Solution of the Slav problem getting nearer with every passing day.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @S
Non-aggressive USA allowed a major Soviet base with satellite and radar equipment and hundreds of Soviet troops in Cuba, but did not bomb or invade Cuba (at most it armed some Cuban dissidents but this was even less than what Russia did for Donbas separatists).
But aggressive Russia demanded that countries to its west not be allowed to join NATO. Indeed, And no country used that as an excuse to invade and bomb Russia. Unlike Russia, which used the rebellion in Ukraine (Donbass) that Russia financed and armed as an excuse to invade and bomb Ukraine.
It's an example of Russia being aggressive while the West was not aggressive. Aggressive Russia invaded and took territory from another country.
Non-aggressive West, meanwhile, did not protect Chechnya from Russia and allowed Russia to crush the Chechen rebellion. That is certainly Russia's right to do. Good. With about 1/10 the casualties of Russian bombings in Chechnya. Wagner Neonazis are popular in Russia. As Is Stalin, who killed almost as many people as Hitler, and far more people than did Bandera (both in raw numbers and per capita on the territories each controlled). Aggressive Russia makes "red lines" in other countries and invades them if they disobey Russia.
Bloodthirsty QCIC makes excuses for aggressive Russia and blames its victims. He wants maximum death for those who dare disobey aggressive Russia. Perhaps, out of hatred for his own country.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
-Were you surprised when Russia moved into Ukraine in 2022? This is a simple question. I’m not referring to the specific timing, but rather the idea that Russia would inevitably respond militarily in Ukraine.
My impression is that you were not surprised, but believed Ukrainian forces would give the Russian troops a hard time (as in the first Chechen War), leading Russia to abandon her SMO.
-Do you understand the general concept of the red line which shall not be crossed?
I also assume you understand the red line idea but mistakenly believe it doesn’t apply here.
I am against WW3 and nuclear war so I want to reduce the bloodshed on all sides. I love the USA but not the treasonous morons who run it.
The nature of the initial Russian assault proves that this is what Russia's leaders assumed - they sent a bunch of riot police to Kiev to establish order for the new pro-Russian leader they hoped to install fairly quickly and bloodlessly. Elite paratroopers would be sufficient for such a quick operation. Instead, the riot police and paratroopers were slaughtered. Do you understand that no country has a right to demand red lines within the borders of another country? That doing so is already an act of aggression? If Mexico demanded a red line that Spanish be made a second official language in the Southwest, this would be an act of aggression by Mexico.
Russia initiated aggression by claiming red lines within Ukraine's borders. Then attacked. So you claim.
But you support Russian aggression. You claim that it is necessary to kill all the Ukrainians who oppose Russian rule (about 90% of them) so that only the ones willing to acquiesce remain. That's more people murdered than the Nazis or Stalin killed. You even indicated it might be a good idea to nuke Western Ukraine.
You are a bloodthirsty monster, eager for the deaths of tens of millions, hiding behind your keyboard.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
What’s “a real neo-Vlasovite”? You address that point to a somewhat contradicting blend of sugar coated svidomite and Polish chauvinist, with autistic like tendencies, who exhibits the irony of projection, while having a poor understanding of geopolitics.
My impression is that you were not surprised, but believed Ukrainian forces would give the Russian troops a hard time (as in the first Chechen War), leading Russia to abandon her SMO.
-Do you understand the general concept of the red line which shall not be crossed?
I also assume you understand the red line idea but mistakenly believe it doesn't apply here.
I am against WW3 and nuclear war so I want to reduce the bloodshed on all sides. I love the USA but not the treasonous morons who run it.Replies: @Mikhail, @AP
You’re addressing a kind of tunnel vision moron with obvious limits.
I agree that educating AP to understand the full picture is like getting the King's horse to sing. What else can I do?Replies: @Mikhail
Do you know what the Magen David represents ?
Its two triangles represent the union of the male and female principles in the Judaic Godhood. That is YHWH and Shekinah. This is the androgynous G-d that you direct your prayers to when in Church.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-divine-feminine-in-kabbalah-an-example-of-jewish-renewal/
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13537-shekinah
Now go and pray for the posterity of Abraham, pray well for the well-being of the Chosen People, Goy.
And don’t you ever forget to feel superior to those who don’t direct their prayers to the Demiurge, never forget that your Judeo-Christian understanding is normative (sarc.)
OTOH the Heavenly Father in the only prayer that Our Lord has ever taught, is the One whose Kingdom is yet to come, isn’t it strange for the G-d who supposedly already rules the World completely ?
Also in the Gospels, the Archont of this World is Satan.
John 14:30
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014%3A30&version=NIV
Just like the father of Jews according to Jesus:
John 8:44
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208%3A44&version=NIV
You guys read, but you lack the context and therefore you don’t understand. And the context is simple: the Ennemy (Shaitanah in Hebrew and Aramaic) has tempted Jesus in the wilderness, just as he did to Siddhartha under the Bodhi tree.
Matthew 4 1-11
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%204%3A1-11&version=NIV
It was exactly the same entity approaching both of them. Jesus prevailed and was liberated, just like the Budda did.
He then taught his disciples the way of Liberation in parables that they could understand. He did that so they could folllow in His footsteps, become Free through witnessing the Truth, and reach themselves to the dignity of becoming the Sons of God, as is written in the Gnostic apocrypha.
The Gnostics knew and preached about it, but the nascent Orthodox Catholic Church was interested in this World, not thereafter. It was about establishing power on Earth, not opening the escape route towards the Kingdom of Heaven.
Your Judeo-Christian popes did their job alright…
Interestingly, it looks like Poland has replaced Hungary with Romania as a strategic partner.
Military buildup:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/prince_charles/article-12276633/ANDREW-NEIL-Poles-rearming-breathtaking-rate-Europes-rising-power.html
The scale of Polish rearmament is breathtaking, leaving much bigger Nato allies such as France, Britain and Germany behind in its wake.
From South Korea alone, the Poles are buying 1,000 (yes 1,000!) K2 main battle tanks, 673 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 48, allowing it to junk (or give to Ukraine) what’s left of its Soviet-era air force. Poland is now the biggest importer of South Korean military hardware in the world.
But the spending spree doesn’t stop there. Poland is also spending more than $6 billion on 366 American Abrams tanks, including 250 of the latest, state-of-the-art model (the M1A2). Combined with its Korean armour, Poland will boast a force of tanks so formidable that it will be unmatched by anyone else in Europe.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ
I have written that Poland will eventually go to war against RusFed and then the (((Noviop))) will nuke it. Karaganov has been very candid about it. And when the Poles are nuked, after going in first and without the outright NATO consensus, NATO will just spread their arms and roll their eyes to the sky: “Polska strong”. In that way, the troublesome Polacks will be brought to size once and for all, and their sin, of not restituting the Chosen People’s property after the war, will be avenged.
Two birds hit with the same stone.
But keep being happy about the Poles getting ready to be incinerated en mass and the Final Solution of the Slav problem getting nearer with every passing day.
If Poland could be expected to stay within her own borders, then far West Ukraine might be a neutral zone where Poles, Ukrainians and Russians all got drunk and yelled at each other. But if the Poles move in, then the border will creep to the East. If that is a serious prospect Russia may simply accept that the Western part of Ukraine will need to be leveled to make it an unattractive borderland, a true Ukraine.Replies: @Mikhail, @Ivashka the fool
About the Poles, the mid-war fate of their Prime Minister in Exile, Władysław_Sikorski, in US/UK custody at Gibraltar, should by itself have been enough to sour them on the Anglosphere. [Of course, that doesn't mean they had to embrace Russia, either, if they didn't wish to.]
It will be recalled that Sikorski was becoming quite 'inconvenient' by the summer of 1943 for both the US/UK and the Soviets, when the 'convenient' for the latter fatal airplane crash occurred removing Sikorski from the scene.
Sure, accidents happen, but so do political assassinations under cover of 'aerial mishaps'.
That it occurred on July 4th, both America's independence day and the anniversary date of the Battle of Klushino, in an American manufactured Liberator bomber, I find interesting.
Poland was effectively 'liberated' that day, and for a long time after, from their natural organic leadership and the organic Polish peoplehood Sikorski represented, imperfect as he may have been in that role.
If Sikorski's fatal Liberator crash was deliberate sabotage, maybe it was a joint US-UK/Soviet project, as both Capitalism and Communism as complimentary ideologies detest peoplehood, which is what Sikorski represented in his person.
Supposedly, there was a Soviet aircraft and crew at Gibraltar's air field that same day, in relative close proximity to Sikorski's Liberator.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_Sikorski
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_KlushinoReplies: @Wokechoke
The “Cuba this, Cuba that” discussions usually miss the key points that:
-The Cuban crisis was part of a long Cold War chain of events with provocations on all sides.
-The precipitating event (the Red Line) was US placement of Jupiter missiles in Turkey.
-The biggest human achievement of the crisis was Arkhipov not launching the nuclear armed torpedo.
-The whole thing (both sides) was dangerous and stupid since ballistic missile submarines were operational by then, with their own horrifying new problems.
Unlike some posters at Unz, Arkhipov understood the big picture with nuclear weapons. R.I.P.
The Duran appears to be wrong about firmly declaring that a certain meeting took place:
https://theduran.com/neocons-warn-biden-white-house-dont-let-ukraine-join-nato/
The counters –
https://www.rt.com/news/579303-nbc-secret-talks-lavrov-fake/
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2023/07/06/gilbert-doctorow-nbc-fake-news-on-us-russian-talks-about-an-off-ramp-to-the-ukraine-war-in-april-2023-that-never-took-place/
I share Gilbert Doctorow’s opinion of Richard Haass and Charles Kupchan. As for Thomas Graham, back in the early 2000s, some establishment handshakeworthy Russia friendly types were telling me he’s a good influence in the US foreign policy establishment. Put mildly, It’s fair to say that he has exhibited noticeable limits.
Concerning Graham:
https://www.eurasiareview.com/07112016-realists-on-russia-analysis/
Regarding Haass and the CFR org he has headed:
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/18/us-foreign-policy-establishments-obsession-with-russia/
As for Kupchan:
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/549009-charles-kupchan-eu-affairs/
Contrary to him, every country on or near Russia’s border isn’t seeking to join NATO. Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Mongolia and China immediately come to mind. The contested areas of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Pridnestrovie prefer Russia over the entities claiming them.
Kupchan repeats a standard necon-neolib line that Russia might eventually draw westward out of it not liking to be a junior partner of China. China hasn’t been threatening Russia with bellicose rhetoric, sanctions, more sanctions and the world’s most powerful military alliance.
As for the periodic reference to fearing democracies, how much better is the Kiev regime than Russia in hosting people with a different viewpoint? The same question can be posed to Western mass media at large.
A respected foreign policy academic had this to say of him:
I’ve known Charlie Kupchan for 30 years. A very nice guy. But don’t take anything he says seriously. Charlie’s knowledge and understanding of the world doesn’t extend beyond the East Shoe of Maryland.
From a former mass media exec with a somewhat different take –
I had to deal with Kupchan on a committee opposing the 2003 war. He is totally worthless.
And really not nice at all – All the generosity of a passive lizard.
I’m trying to find a way.
I agree that educating AP to understand the full picture is like getting the King’s horse to sing. What else can I do?
A huge number of French Generals wrote objections to Open [Muslim] Borders back in 2021. They challenged Macron’s SJW extremist position. The official resistance is wider than former military: (1)
I believe that Pierre Brochand was appointed by Jacques Chirac. So he is squarely in the establishment camp.
Will Macron listen? Sadly, that seems quite unlikely in the short term. The French political center and even working Left are unhappy with current dogma. And, this is a ready made venue for Judeo-Christian Populism: (2)
When will France’s next presidential election take place? Hopefully, it will be earlier than 2027. Zemmour’s Reconquête! Party should make some decent gains of lower seats before then.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://rmx.news/france/former-head-of-french-counter-intelligence-agency-blasts-decades-of-mass-colonizing-immigration/
(2) https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/07/frances-riots-are-fuelling-division-over-europes-migrant-crisis/
The 0.1% Elite French do not seem to care.
Two birds hit with the same stone.
But keep being happy about the Poles getting ready to be incinerated en mass and the Final Solution of the Slav problem getting nearer with every passing day.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @S
Poles should wake up, stop playing heroes, and consider how this would play out. The West could do what they did in 1939: nothing, a fake war and noisy protests.
The odds of nukes are still low, but they are not zero. Among the targets a remote naval demonstration attack is most likely. Among Euro land targets it would be Poland – or Romania if they attack Transnistria.
Poland is not in a position to retaliate and the West would have a choice of a common suicide to make a point or a 1939 phony war. An attack on Ukraine is very unlikely – and if it would happen it would be in Galicia-Volyn or right on the Polish borders. So keep on marching, dear Polacks, show the world that the stereotypes about dumb Polacks are kind of correct.
Poland is arming for self-defense. It would be idiotic not to, after February 2022 (and given the overall security situation, granted the situation could improve after the war, but not become fully satisfactory, there will be a Cold War for many years to come, probably decades).
Poland will not deliberately "go to war with RusFed". If RusFed continues to strike Western Ukraine, air defense will be added (there is already air defense at work but it doesn't catch every missile, the strikes such as the one that happened the other day in Lviv could be much, much worse if most of the missiles did not get intercepted).
We need to put a little bit of realism into this kind of talk. Yes, there is danger and risks, but RusFed can barely fight a war in Ukraine, you imagine RusFed starting a war with Poland (and thus NATO)? Poland is not going to touch the enclave. I mean, are you even aware of the deployment of troops in various RusFed geographies? There are some troops in the enclave and of course missiles, but troops have been moved from places such as Pskov to be sent to Ukraine.
If Russia made a move on Poland, there would immediately be German and Nordic troops there, British and American. The full rage of Europe would fall upon Russia.
RusFed doesn't have the resources to do it right now. Will they have the resources in 20 years? Maybe yes, maybe no. We're not going to wait that long but are going to arm ourselves.
P.s. Karaganov drinks. That doesn't mean the nuclear threat is not there, but it's still something of note. When you drink for many years, your brain gets affected eventually.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Sean
China will do anything to avert this because China has several neighboring countries that it doesn't have such a good relationship with who are very advanced and who could create their own nukes relatively quickly (I'm talking about Japan, South Korean). This is a nightmare scenario for China which would be triggered by Russia employing nukes.
It is also possible that there will be a retaliation by Anglos (it's not a given, but a relatively high possibility). This retaliation could even happen on Russian soil (but most likely the Russian conventional army in Ukraine would be decimated in a short time frame). So Russia, a country with 8 time zones, could be left without an army at all at that point.Replies: @QCIC
Karaganov has written that they wouldn’t nuke Ukraine. He wrote that the target should be in Europe, and has explicitly mentioned Poland and/or Baltics. Also, recently some information has been spread that CIA durector Burns has used the same trick on Pynya that the US played on Saddam when they nudged him to go full retard in Kuwait. Basically, all goes according to plan, it won’t be an accident.
Two birds hit with the same stone.
But keep being happy about the Poles getting ready to be incinerated en mass and the Final Solution of the Slav problem getting nearer with every passing day.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @S
The Polish arms build up may give a hint at Russia’s plans for far West Ukraine. The Poles are arming to the teeth, presumably to retake Western Ukraine or Kaliningrad or apply pressure on Belarus. The result will be that Western Ukraine is leveled.
If Poland could be expected to stay within her own borders, then far West Ukraine might be a neutral zone where Poles, Ukrainians and Russians all got drunk and yelled at each other. But if the Poles move in, then the border will creep to the East. If that is a serious prospect Russia may simply accept that the Western part of Ukraine will need to be leveled to make it an unattractive borderland, a true Ukraine.
I agree that educating AP to understand the full picture is like getting the King's horse to sing. What else can I do?Replies: @Mikhail
It’s your time. He definitely fits in with the current Rada. It’s going to be easy for Washington officialdom to find an excuse for drifting away from the Kiev regime, recalling prior instances like South Vietnam.
__________(1) https://rmx.news/france/former-head-of-french-counter-intelligence-agency-blasts-decades-of-mass-colonizing-immigration/(2) https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/07/frances-riots-are-fuelling-division-over-europes-migrant-crisis/Replies: @QCIC
This ship sailed decades ago. Without a bloody and genocidal civil war which no one wants the old France is gone. The Africans will keep flowing in until the “French” Africans get fed up with new invaders trying to take their place. By then France will be 50% African, 40% mixed and 10% original French.
The 0.1% Elite French do not seem to care.
If Poland could be expected to stay within her own borders, then far West Ukraine might be a neutral zone where Poles, Ukrainians and Russians all got drunk and yelled at each other. But if the Poles move in, then the border will creep to the East. If that is a serious prospect Russia may simply accept that the Western part of Ukraine will need to be leveled to make it an unattractive borderland, a true Ukraine.Replies: @Mikhail, @Ivashka the fool
Their arms buildup is bravado. Extremely foolish for them to try to take Kaliningrad. As for parts of western Ukraine, they’d have to have things carefully worded and understood with the svidos with prior history in mind.
Overall Polish opinion doesn’t appear gung ho in actually fighting Russia. It’s not like Russia is seeking to takeover Poland or any part of it.
If Poland could be expected to stay within her own borders, then far West Ukraine might be a neutral zone where Poles, Ukrainians and Russians all got drunk and yelled at each other. But if the Poles move in, then the border will creep to the East. If that is a serious prospect Russia may simply accept that the Western part of Ukraine will need to be leveled to make it an unattractive borderland, a true Ukraine.Replies: @Mikhail, @Ivashka the fool
The usual suspects rejoice at the Eastern Slavs butchering each other, but their joy wouldn’t be complete if the Western Slavs and Balts don’t join in the slaughter. It is unfortunate, but not really surprising that most people don’t understand something so simple.
This is what I am currently reading. Have you ever heard about it ? If not, why ?
The Church Councils excommunicating the non-Trinitarian Christians, and the Church "mainstream" expurging those who relied on knowledge (gnosis) instead of blind faith (pistis) have led to altering the doctrine forever.
The most direct quotation of Jesus teaching is to be found in the Gospel of Thomas that the Church made into a heretical apocryphon. Have you read it ?
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
If not, then how can you be sure that you really know what our Lord Jesus taught?
I read and re-read it several times and will keep on reading the Gospels on a regular basis because these writings preserve the memories of a truly unique being coming into our World. A memory that the Church has distorted beyond any credible recognition. Just like the Stalinists distorted the doctrines put forward by Marx.
And yes YHWH is the Demiurge, same as Mara and completely different from our Heavenly Father.
https://www.learnreligions.com/thmb/_90UOGH-9TsgJ1rtXDVhsYk8Nz0=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/A1wheelrealm-56a0c4133df78cafdaa4d32c.jpg
This is what YHWH looks like to the Tibetans, way closer to what this entity is really about.Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
No, I haven’t. I’m surmising that you’ve just recently heard about it and were then prompted to get a copy to read? I’m still in no hurry to do the same, as I see that St. Augustine has condemned it as being heretical.
Why do you believe this to be true?
BTW, I’m much more interested in picking up a copy of “Cosmas Indicopleustes” that you also mention above, who sounds like an earlier manifestation of Ibn Battuta. Two different translations of Ibn’s Travels grace the shelves of my personal library, a special place awaits Cosmas’ Travels. Thanks for bringing him to my attention.
StvAugustine lived around a dozen generations (!) after Justin Martyr, Tatian and Rhodon (the Syriac pupil of Tatian whose teachings are unfortunately lost). Who do you think was closer linguistically, geographically and temporarily to Our Lord, the Syriac Tatian who lived in mid 2nd century in Middle East,or the Latinized Punic Berber Augusine who lived at the junction of the 4th- 5th century AD in modern day Algeria and Rome ?
I am sorry to say, but although he was in his later years a man of high moral standing, his inability to read Aramaic and Greek prevented Augustine of Hippo from reading the earliest Church scriptural material. And after him, the understanding of the Latin Church has only gone downward for a few centuries. That's what happens when you anathematize those who came before you and burn their books.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Saddam appears to have interpreted a certain statement in a private conversation by the US ambassador April Glaspie as tacit permission to invade Kuwait. He played a tape of it publicly to justify his decision to go to war.
How could Putin possibly think the US was giving him permission to invade Ukraine?
I didn’t know about the Ukrainian SS and the Slovak ‘resistance’ to German rule. From about 7.30:
BTW, I'm much more interested in picking up a copy of "Cosmas Indicopleustes" that you also mention above, who sounds like an earlier manifestation of Ibn Battuta. Two different translations of Ibn's Travels grace the shelves of my personal library, a special place awaits Cosmas' Travels. Thanks for bringing him to my attention.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Not only didn’t St. Augustine read Aramaic (Syriac), but he didn’t even read Greek (!). How could he have the same level of understanding of the doctrine as Tatian – the Hellenistic Syriac pupil of Justin the Martyr ?
StvAugustine lived around a dozen generations (!) after Justin Martyr, Tatian and Rhodon (the Syriac pupil of Tatian whose teachings are unfortunately lost). Who do you think was closer linguistically, geographically and temporarily to Our Lord, the Syriac Tatian who lived in mid 2nd century in Middle East,or the Latinized Punic Berber Augusine who lived at the junction of the 4th- 5th century AD in modern day Algeria and Rome ?
I am sorry to say, but although he was in his later years a man of high moral standing, his inability to read Aramaic and Greek prevented Augustine of Hippo from reading the earliest Church scriptural material. And after him, the understanding of the Latin Church has only gone downward for a few centuries. That’s what happens when you anathematize those who came before you and burn their books.
https://rumble.com/embed/v2w4w1u/
PEACE 😇Replies: @Mikel
LOL. You should have left the IQ part aside. What an own goal.
But yes, I had watched a clip of that video, the one posted at Zerohedge, and it was very good. Tucker unadulterated. He even threw some jabs at Trump. It is _not_ Tucker’s Twitter show, though. He made as bad a choice as DeSantis when selecting Twitter as his new platform. Most of his potential watchers have no way of following him if they don’t resort to someone else reposting his twitter episodes, of which there have been none this past week, as far as I know. A total disaster.
In any case, DeSantis’s campaign seems to be going the way of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Right now everything’s pointing at a new Trump-Biden rematch and, in all likelihood, a similar outcome. But RFK keeps making more sense each time I listen to him. I thought he was a climate change nutter but his positions on most subjects are so sane that even Trump has acknowledged it. In a Trump-RFK match I’d have a serious problem making my choice.
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1677507456052920320?s=20Replies: @Mikel
Thank you for agreeing with me. I indicated "related material ... not specifically his Twitter releases.Those capable of scrolling down easily found this. https://rumble.com/embed/v2upofc/ High-IQ MAGA types are capable of finding Tucker. It takes less than 30 seconds. Do you have difficulty with simple search engine usage? Because there is no ad revenue at stake, allowing people to freely share the content meets Tucker's messaging objective. Alas, it does not allow for the raw data collection needed to show total reach. But there is no money at stake on that number. If large numbers of small shares get the job done, that is acceptable. What better choice did Tucker have to avoid what you mischaracterize as "disaster"? • Joining a competing network (e.g. OAN, NewsMax) is blocked by his Fox contract.
• YouTube is notorious for censorship, and might be considered a network as they sell programming. They are out.
• It gets thin from there... Twitch? Kick? Name the platform...What non-Twitter option are you stating Tucker missed? PEACE 😇
https://www.nixieworks.com/post/lightfighter-rig-faq Thing is that the Quest 4D is really popular across mil/SOF now.
So w/e
Physically cringed when I saw the mention of the Canadian MK3.
I have a pair.. & yea they weigh over 5lb a pair.
Everyone knows old school 'combats' are bad though - the MK3 is no longer issued.
You get $350 to buy your own - but still.
I’m equally surprised that so many of the readers here don’t seem to understand that it was only one of the two parties that felt it necessary to cross its neighbor’s borders and start this needles butchery? At least with the Ukrainian side, they can now logically conclude that they’re protecting their country, their borders, their autonomy. And what of the Russian side? Why are they still trying to subdue their Ukrainian neighbors, for 500 days now? A wounded pride where their claim to being the second most powerful military force in the world has been put into question? KYIV WASN’T TAKEN IN THREE DAYS, AND UKRAINE WASN’T SUBDUED IN 30 DAYS.
Russia regularly completes major missile strikes across Ukraine which would have easily forced capitulation had similar strikes been focussed on Kiev.Replies: @Mr. Hack
My impression is that you were not surprised, but believed Ukrainian forces would give the Russian troops a hard time (as in the first Chechen War), leading Russia to abandon her SMO.
-Do you understand the general concept of the red line which shall not be crossed?
I also assume you understand the red line idea but mistakenly believe it doesn't apply here.
I am against WW3 and nuclear war so I want to reduce the bloodshed on all sides. I love the USA but not the treasonous morons who run it.Replies: @Mikhail, @AP
I was surprised by the stupidity. I assumed that Putin and his people would know that Ukrainians would fight back hard, and that they therefore would not have invaded. But they foolishly thought that it would be a quick victory, something like Czechoslovakia 1968 or at worst an easier version of Iraq 2003. Indeed, that’s what Russia’s proponents such as Beckow were predicting, that Ukraine’s elites would all run away, the soldiers would refuse to fight, and it would be a quick Russian victory. Such people are natural traitors to their own countries, and falsely assume that everyone else is like them.
The nature of the initial Russian assault proves that this is what Russia’s leaders assumed – they sent a bunch of riot police to Kiev to establish order for the new pro-Russian leader they hoped to install fairly quickly and bloodlessly. Elite paratroopers would be sufficient for such a quick operation. Instead, the riot police and paratroopers were slaughtered.
Do you understand that no country has a right to demand red lines within the borders of another country? That doing so is already an act of aggression? If Mexico demanded a red line that Spanish be made a second official language in the Southwest, this would be an act of aggression by Mexico.
Russia initiated aggression by claiming red lines within Ukraine’s borders. Then attacked.
So you claim.
But you support Russian aggression. You claim that it is necessary to kill all the Ukrainians who oppose Russian rule (about 90% of them) so that only the ones willing to acquiesce remain. That’s more people murdered than the Nazis or Stalin killed. You even indicated it might be a good idea to nuke Western Ukraine.
You are a bloodthirsty monster, eager for the deaths of tens of millions, hiding behind your keyboard.
I'm not bloodthirsty, just realistic about the hell the Ukrainians have gotten themselves into.
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I think many in the Russian military leadership must have known that Ukraine would fight back hard. They were well aware of the preparations including NATO handholding and training for a very long time. They must have been aware of the general sentiment on the ground, fostered and enforced by NeoNAZI quasi-Patriotism.
Maybe we will find out what really happened someday.
I assume that throughout the SMO Russia has kept solid reserves out of Ukraine and across the country to handle the not unlikely event of additional wars breaking out, probably caused by the West. I am surprised this has not happened, but apparently Russia nipped things in the bud in both Kazakhstan and Belarus. Maybe they are staying ahead of it.Replies: @LatW
I do think that countries should have some say in their neighbors' security arrangements but nowhere near a carte blanche. For instance, if it was perceived to be reasonable for France to ally with Russia in the pre-WWI period even though this encircled Germany, or for Russia to ally with Serbia even though this encircled Austria-Hungary, or for the French to ally with Czechoslovakia and Poland in the interwar era even though this encircled Germany (which was not a big deal when Germany was weak, but became a much bigger deal when Germany regained its strength), then I don't see why exactly it should be unreasonable for countries on Russia's border to join NATO. There is even precedent for this: Turkey (which bordered the Soviet Union) joined NATO in 1952, and Latvia and Estonia (both of whom border core Russia, not just Kaliningrad, and which are just as close to Moscow as Ukraine is) joined NATO in 2004.Replies: @Sean
Had WWII never occurred, Russia today would have had a population of 200-210 million instead of only 150 million. Also, Russia's odds of permanently keeping or at least eventually regathering Ukraine and Belarus after a hypothetical Soviet collapse would have been much higher since Ukraine would not have invaded Galicia and Volhynia in this scenario, thus meaning considerably less pro-Western voters within Ukraine.
All of this just shows that karma is a bitch and that the same logic that Nazi Germany previously used to inflict a lot of cruelty on Russians (and Ukrainians, and Belarusians, and Kazakhs, et cetera) was previously used, in a much milder form, by Russia to inflict a lot of cruelty on Ukrainians. Russians didn't properly learn their history!
But yes, I had watched a clip of that video, the one posted at Zerohedge, and it was very good. Tucker unadulterated. He even threw some jabs at Trump. It is _not_ Tucker's Twitter show, though. He made as bad a choice as DeSantis when selecting Twitter as his new platform. Most of his potential watchers have no way of following him if they don't resort to someone else reposting his twitter episodes, of which there have been none this past week, as far as I know. A total disaster.
In any case, DeSantis's campaign seems to be going the way of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Right now everything's pointing at a new Trump-Biden rematch and, in all likelihood, a similar outcome. But RFK keeps making more sense each time I listen to him. I thought he was a climate change nutter but his positions on most subjects are so sane that even Trump has acknowledged it. In a Trump-RFK match I'd have a serious problem making my choice.Replies: @AP, @A123, @Sher Singh
He gets his Ukraine news from MacGregor:
StvAugustine lived around a dozen generations (!) after Justin Martyr, Tatian and Rhodon (the Syriac pupil of Tatian whose teachings are unfortunately lost). Who do you think was closer linguistically, geographically and temporarily to Our Lord, the Syriac Tatian who lived in mid 2nd century in Middle East,or the Latinized Punic Berber Augusine who lived at the junction of the 4th- 5th century AD in modern day Algeria and Rome ?
I am sorry to say, but although he was in his later years a man of high moral standing, his inability to read Aramaic and Greek prevented Augustine of Hippo from reading the earliest Church scriptural material. And after him, the understanding of the Latin Church has only gone downward for a few centuries. That's what happens when you anathematize those who came before you and burn their books.Replies: @Mr. Hack
I don’t know about Aramaiac, but Augustine certainly had a good working knowledge of Greek. Enough at least to be able to read any important religious treatises written in Greek:
https://blog.oup.com/2009/07/augustine/
I’m not defending all of his stances, for that would be way above my competency, but there seems to be no doubt that his command of Greek, with the assistance of a dictionary, was sufficient for him to read and understand Greek texts, which he seemed to esteem, especially the ones written by the “acknowledged masters”.
His intellectual acumen was first rate, as far as I can see. Imagine, Aristotle came to visit him in his early twenties!
Now, don't get me wrong , Augustine was an outstanding individual, but I wouldn't base my opinions about the Diatessaron on his views.
And yeah, the main fault of Tatian in the eyes of the Roman theologians, seems him being from a country that fell under Sasanian control and him being a vocal critic of the Greek. Anyway, he was a pupil of Justin Martyr that was the earliest notable among the Christian philosophers. Justin has never denounced him as heretical and the Diatessaron was in use by the Syriac and Coptic Churches well into the Middle Ages. Therefore, I would judge it only when I finish it.
Regarding Kosmas Indicopleustes, what is interesting is not that he sailed to India, many did - the trade was quite vigorous between the Hellenistic Middle East and Sri Lanka/Hindustan, but the fact that some aspects of his Christian Topography are distinctly Buddhist. But so is also the Byzantine legend of Barlaam and Josaphat, which drew upon the life of Siddhartha Gautama to create a Christian myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlaam_and_JosaphatReplies: @Mr. Hack
But yes, I had watched a clip of that video, the one posted at Zerohedge, and it was very good. Tucker unadulterated. He even threw some jabs at Trump. It is _not_ Tucker's Twitter show, though. He made as bad a choice as DeSantis when selecting Twitter as his new platform. Most of his potential watchers have no way of following him if they don't resort to someone else reposting his twitter episodes, of which there have been none this past week, as far as I know. A total disaster.
In any case, DeSantis's campaign seems to be going the way of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Right now everything's pointing at a new Trump-Biden rematch and, in all likelihood, a similar outcome. But RFK keeps making more sense each time I listen to him. I thought he was a climate change nutter but his positions on most subjects are so sane that even Trump has acknowledged it. In a Trump-RFK match I'd have a serious problem making my choice.Replies: @AP, @A123, @Sher Singh
What a low-IQ yahoo thing to say. Are you trying to look bad on purpose?
ROTFLMAO
Rumble had a technical issue of some kind. (shrug). That is beyond my control.
Thank you for agreeing with me. I indicated “related material … not specifically his Twitter releases.
Those capable of scrolling down easily found this.
Video Link
High-IQ MAGA types are capable of finding Tucker. It takes less than 30 seconds. Do you have difficulty with simple search engine usage?
Because there is no ad revenue at stake, allowing people to freely share the content meets Tucker’s messaging objective.
Alas, it does not allow for the raw data collection needed to show total reach. But there is no money at stake on that number. If large numbers of small shares get the job done, that is acceptable.
What better choice did Tucker have to avoid what you mischaracterize as “disaster”?
• Joining a competing network (e.g. OAN, NewsMax) is blocked by his Fox contract.
• YouTube is notorious for censorship, and might be considered a network as they sell programming. They are out.
• It gets thin from there… Twitch? Kick? Name the platform…
What non-Twitter option are you stating Tucker missed?
PEACE 😇
Russia is till going slowly and methodically, while hoping they will not have to level Kiev to wrap this thing up.
Russia regularly completes major missile strikes across Ukraine which would have easily forced capitulation had similar strikes been focussed on Kiev.
It seems strange that Poland would want so many advanced tanks. Maybe some ex-Warsaw Pact sympathizer has made it high enough and wants tanks and big zloty kickbacks.
Start at 4:36. Wagner's significance ended with them taking Bakhmut, an operation that was designed by Surovikin, but required expendable troops, which the army did not have. So Wagner was key by getting disposable tens of thousands of convicts to soak up the Ukrainian defenders of Bakhmut's firepower. Nothing to do with this abstruse discussion of 'volunteerism'.
Russia has a firepower advantage on the battlefield, and reserves of artillery plus manpower still to be drawn on. Military professionals are running the war for the Kremlin, and I think it will be slow but sure with nothing very dramatic to report.Replies: @Greasy William
Russia regularly completes major missile strikes across Ukraine which would have easily forced capitulation had similar strikes been focussed on Kiev.Replies: @Mr. Hack
A missile or two may get through, but it’s highly improbable that enough could get through Kyiv’s well organized defensive systems to cause a capitulation.
I think the attack on the Patriot batteries in Kiev had at least three purposes. We can agree to disagree on the actual results.
1) Remind Kievans they are not invulnerable.
2) Nudge the Kievans to have their government sue for peace (a gradual process).
3) Clarify technical SEAD details for more serious strikes in the future.
If Russia gets to the point of delivering "Strike Package Bravo" or whatever, you will see more than "a missile or two may get through". While that might give JJ a few accurate pictures to kvetch about I hope it doesn't come to that.
The nature of the initial Russian assault proves that this is what Russia's leaders assumed - they sent a bunch of riot police to Kiev to establish order for the new pro-Russian leader they hoped to install fairly quickly and bloodlessly. Elite paratroopers would be sufficient for such a quick operation. Instead, the riot police and paratroopers were slaughtered. Do you understand that no country has a right to demand red lines within the borders of another country? That doing so is already an act of aggression? If Mexico demanded a red line that Spanish be made a second official language in the Southwest, this would be an act of aggression by Mexico.
Russia initiated aggression by claiming red lines within Ukraine's borders. Then attacked. So you claim.
But you support Russian aggression. You claim that it is necessary to kill all the Ukrainians who oppose Russian rule (about 90% of them) so that only the ones willing to acquiesce remain. That's more people murdered than the Nazis or Stalin killed. You even indicated it might be a good idea to nuke Western Ukraine.
You are a bloodthirsty monster, eager for the deaths of tens of millions, hiding behind your keyboard.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
The Red Lines I refer to were effectively created between Russia and the West when modern Russia and Ukraine were formed. The lines are a result of the Cold War and MAD. Many Western people including diplomats, military men, statesmen, bureaucrats, private business people (MIC) and a few private individuals recognize that Russia has legitimate security interests. These interests are of a different character than those of smaller countries because of the nuclear arsenals of both the West and Russia. They are still ultimately based on individual rights and sovereignty, but shaped by the concerns over nuclear war which could get everyone killed (no more rights when we are all dead).
I’m not bloodthirsty, just realistic about the hell the Ukrainians have gotten themselves into.
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I think many in the Russian military leadership must have known that Ukraine would fight back hard. They were well aware of the preparations including NATO handholding and training for a very long time. They must have been aware of the general sentiment on the ground, fostered and enforced by NeoNAZI quasi-Patriotism.
Maybe we will find out what really happened someday.
I assume that throughout the SMO Russia has kept solid reserves out of Ukraine and across the country to handle the not unlikely event of additional wars breaking out, probably caused by the West. I am surprised this has not happened, but apparently Russia nipped things in the bud in both Kazakhstan and Belarus. Maybe they are staying ahead of it.
I dispute that Sleboda is an “expert”. I consider him more of an “insane person”.
Even still, credit to Berletic for using his own research throughout this entire conflict to counter the Western MSM narrative. Berletic is biased and is prone to cope but he’s provided a needed alternative perspective to the conventional wisdom in the West, and to some extent he has even been proven right.
I’m trying to think of an example in modern war of an offensive achieving breakthrough after more than a month of being stopped cold. I can’t think of one and the new tactics Ukraine is using are not conducive to achieving a breakthrough anyway. The Ukrainians are now using purely attritional tactics but there is no reason to believe that they are giving better than they are getting, and I suspect that the reverse is actually true.
It’s unclear how much longer the Ukrainian offensive will last. I think it will slow down dramatically after the NATO summit but I don’t think it will end completely until early September.
The thing is, the Russian army also appears to be in pretty bad shape. They are severely outnumbered on the front by the Ukrainians and they lack the means to launch a significant counter offensive when the Ukrainian offensive finally ends.
They are for the most part Euro-friendly, and a real neo-Vlasovite would never support the current government (many of them call it “neo-Bolshevik”, and they seem to be right because in many ways it looks like that tradition has continued). They are also Germano-phile. And they would never criticize or look down on SS Galizien the way you have done.
Even still, credit to Berletic for using his own research throughout this entire conflict to counter the Western MSM narrative. Berletic is biased and is prone to cope but he's provided a needed alternative perspective to the conventional wisdom in the West, and to some extent he has even been proven right.
I'm trying to think of an example in modern war of an offensive achieving breakthrough after more than a month of being stopped cold. I can't think of one and the new tactics Ukraine is using are not conducive to achieving a breakthrough anyway. The Ukrainians are now using purely attritional tactics but there is no reason to believe that they are giving better than they are getting, and I suspect that the reverse is actually true.
It's unclear how much longer the Ukrainian offensive will last. I think it will slow down dramatically after the NATO summit but I don't think it will end completely until early September.
The thing is, the Russian army also appears to be in pretty bad shape. They are severely outnumbered on the front by the Ukrainians and they lack the means to launch a significant counter offensive when the Ukrainian offensive finally ends.Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack
They’re both better than what the likes of Hodges, Keane, Hertling and Petraeus spew.
I’m not sure here why you are complaining about Musk in this area, as Musk still allows you to make a free Twitter account. It would only be a couple of minutes to make one. I don’t think many people are too lazy to make the free account.
Musk added a paying account service also. What people were criticizing, is the paying account service might not seem to have so many significant differences than the free account service. So, the motivation why people would buy the paying account is not explained.
One of the main differences of Twitter and Threads now, is the Threads is only available to use with the app, while for readers it has a desktop frontend which is not easy to use.
In future, they will probably open it for the desktop like Instagram. With Instagram they only opened it to desktop after a few years though.
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Threads will be very similar to Twitter if it opens to desktop, so the product differentiation could be difficult. It’s also issue when Twitter didn’t have equivalent of patents for its products. So, anyone with resources can copy the product.
They even use the same blue tick idea as Twitter. E.g. official products like Bloomberg has a blue tick on Threads.
https://www.threads.net/@bloombergbusiness
In terms of the “economic moat” theory, Twitter has the “switching costs” and “network effects”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_moat But Zuckerberg partly avoids these parts of an “economic moat” by using the customers from Instagram.
I thought Ivashka was a Buddhist?
He can correct me if I am wrong and if I am wrong, I hope he does.
🙂Replies: @Greasy William
Any surveys involving them to conclude such? They’re pro-Russian and therefore not supportive of svidomites or modern day EU types. They saw a basis to oppose Stalin for his brutality. The present situation is much different. Putin is a Gernmanphile, which shouldn’t be confused with the current German government.
20% real info + 80% cope is better than 100% cope. I agree, but it isn’t saying much
The situation is different now because Europe is much more integrated than back in 1939 (not to mention NATO) and has become more united after the Russian invasion into Ukraine. If Russia ever attacked Poland (let’s say, not with a land force but with missiles), Germany would take this as an attack on them. This would be an attack on the EU as a whole. The article 5 of NATO would come into force, even with the likes of Sullivan or Trump in power.
Poland is arming for self-defense. It would be idiotic not to, after February 2022 (and given the overall security situation, granted the situation could improve after the war, but not become fully satisfactory, there will be a Cold War for many years to come, probably decades).
Poland will not deliberately “go to war with RusFed”. If RusFed continues to strike Western Ukraine, air defense will be added (there is already air defense at work but it doesn’t catch every missile, the strikes such as the one that happened the other day in Lviv could be much, much worse if most of the missiles did not get intercepted).
We need to put a little bit of realism into this kind of talk. Yes, there is danger and risks, but RusFed can barely fight a war in Ukraine, you imagine RusFed starting a war with Poland (and thus NATO)? Poland is not going to touch the enclave. I mean, are you even aware of the deployment of troops in various RusFed geographies? There are some troops in the enclave and of course missiles, but troops have been moved from places such as Pskov to be sent to Ukraine.
If Russia made a move on Poland, there would immediately be German and Nordic troops there, British and American. The full rage of Europe would fall upon Russia.
RusFed doesn’t have the resources to do it right now. Will they have the resources in 20 years? Maybe yes, maybe no. We’re not going to wait that long but are going to arm ourselves.
P.s. Karaganov drinks. That doesn’t mean the nuclear threat is not there, but it’s still something of note. When you drink for many years, your brain gets affected eventually.
Yes, but like many Buddhists he considers Christ to have been a Buddhist and Christianity/Christendom to have the wrong idea of Christ. He thinks that the Gnostics were true to the real teachings of Christ and that their understanding is congruent with Buddhism.
He can correct me if I am wrong and if I am wrong, I hope he does.
Almost three hour Balaji Srinivasan presentation at the What Bitcoin Did you tube show. Scroll – ahead – – to 2:42:20 to see his 5 minute elevator pitch for network states.
Hahaha, I wish there were. I would volunteer to conduct the survey.
Of course, they are opponents of the woke culture, but they love the European continent and its traditional culture and feel solidarity with it.
Not in the way that they are. 🙂
Is AP a Pole?Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
AP is a wealthy American with Ukrainian roots to the second or third generation, also with a Russian wife from central Moscow.
Poles are usually negative about Ukraine or Ukrainians, except maybe Poles’ liberals who are more romantical about the possibly democratizing country, also in previous years Polish business class viewed Ukraine as an important ally in terms of being a labor resource.
Poland are supporting Ukraine very significantly now in terms of external policy because it is “enemy of the enemy”. Poland’s attitude is more cynical than the romantical Western European support for Ukraine.
Western Europe is supporting Ukraine more in liberal 19th century romantic and idealist ideology based in nationalist dream of peoples’ self-determination. For Western Europeans, Ukraine is viewed as a kind of Sparta in Thermopyly.
Hungarians are now disliked (before they were very popular in Poland).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
Aristotle has been already dead roughly for 6 centuries before Augustine was born, so it probably just has a meaning of Aristotles writings coming into his young eyes at that age? Though Carthage was destroyed long ago too, so this sentence is quite muddy without full context by Henry Chadwick.
Even still, credit to Berletic for using his own research throughout this entire conflict to counter the Western MSM narrative. Berletic is biased and is prone to cope but he's provided a needed alternative perspective to the conventional wisdom in the West, and to some extent he has even been proven right.
I'm trying to think of an example in modern war of an offensive achieving breakthrough after more than a month of being stopped cold. I can't think of one and the new tactics Ukraine is using are not conducive to achieving a breakthrough anyway. The Ukrainians are now using purely attritional tactics but there is no reason to believe that they are giving better than they are getting, and I suspect that the reverse is actually true.
It's unclear how much longer the Ukrainian offensive will last. I think it will slow down dramatically after the NATO summit but I don't think it will end completely until early September.
The thing is, the Russian army also appears to be in pretty bad shape. They are severely outnumbered on the front by the Ukrainians and they lack the means to launch a significant counter offensive when the Ukrainian offensive finally ends.Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack
And you don’t even mention how successful the Ukrainian military has been in destroying so many Russian arms and supply depots throughout the theater of war. This will ultimately be the undoing of the Russian military presence within Ukraine. The Ukrainian advance has been relatively small (130 square kilometers) when compared to last year’s Kharkiv/Donbas advance, but that was a brilliant attack by the Ukrainian side taking full advantage of Russian unpreparedness, probably not to be seen again. Slowly but surely, the Russians are being shoved back, how far it shall go, nobody really knows…
I did actually think about this, that the timing didn’t work out, but was too lazy to verify. Thanks for your clarification. But the point still stands that Augustine had a good reading ability in Greek.
Putin disagrees with this?
I don’t think so. How many books have you read on Vlasov? How many “Vlasovites” do you know?
Poland is arming for self-defense. It would be idiotic not to, after February 2022 (and given the overall security situation, granted the situation could improve after the war, but not become fully satisfactory, there will be a Cold War for many years to come, probably decades).
Poland will not deliberately "go to war with RusFed". If RusFed continues to strike Western Ukraine, air defense will be added (there is already air defense at work but it doesn't catch every missile, the strikes such as the one that happened the other day in Lviv could be much, much worse if most of the missiles did not get intercepted).
We need to put a little bit of realism into this kind of talk. Yes, there is danger and risks, but RusFed can barely fight a war in Ukraine, you imagine RusFed starting a war with Poland (and thus NATO)? Poland is not going to touch the enclave. I mean, are you even aware of the deployment of troops in various RusFed geographies? There are some troops in the enclave and of course missiles, but troops have been moved from places such as Pskov to be sent to Ukraine.
If Russia made a move on Poland, there would immediately be German and Nordic troops there, British and American. The full rage of Europe would fall upon Russia.
RusFed doesn't have the resources to do it right now. Will they have the resources in 20 years? Maybe yes, maybe no. We're not going to wait that long but are going to arm ourselves.
P.s. Karaganov drinks. That doesn't mean the nuclear threat is not there, but it's still something of note. When you drink for many years, your brain gets affected eventually.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Sean
Well, Poles drink a lot too.
To summarize your argument: there would be rage in Europe – correct, more than now? how could we even tell? Germany something or other, and Swedes would land somewhere…who cares? And it is prudent to build up the defense – true, but a cliche.
Finally you argue that Russia “cannot do it” How do you know? Lobbing a missile is something I suspect even “Russia” can manage. What the missile is armed with is up to them. Shooting it down…well, are you that confident?
When we see arguments like yours we can clearly see how we got into crazy wars in the past – people refuse to think, they are either angry or scared that any doubts would undermine the morale. The recent Western disasters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Serbia were done the same way. Will you ever learn that the world is not that easily manageable, that when you start shooting the other side will too? That when the enemy is in sight, you are too?
Don’t give us the “but, they invaded!” and “aggression” bullshit. We all know that it was a lot more complicated, the Nato expansion, minority rights, 3,000 civilians murdered by Kiev in Donbas (just imagine Madrid doing that in Barcelona)….
Try to be constructive: there is no chance that Kiev (really Nato) can win this war. They can stall, buy time, celebrate small victories, play their media games where they always “win”, save face…or they can provoke a massive escalation, possibly nukes. But the peace deal has been on the table for a long time: stop sticking Nato bases on the Russian border and start treating Russians like people with normal European rights. It is not that hard, you just don’t want to do it because you hate too much. A sad place to be.
Simple questions - during this hypothetical confrontation that you guys believe is somehow imminent and unavoidable, who will move where, from the pure logistics standpoint, in what numbers and with what tech? How will the current Russian troop deployments in Ukraine affect this? I already said that they could shoot missiles. There have been nuclear carrying missiles in the enclave now for, what, 10 years? But they will be shooting them into NATO territory, not just on the territory closely bordering NATO. There is some air defense in place (and more air defense solutions are being planned). No, those were expeditions by the US and allies against much weaker states (or maybe not even that weak in some cases). Within a geopolitical context, of course.
Those were done willingly by the US. The US, much less Europe, are not planning such an expedition to Russia. This is something they want to avoid at all costs (and if you look at the likes of Sullivan, there is probably something else going on there as well). So this would be a completely different scenario. That's why I'm asking you - who is going to move and where? Under what specific conditions? Russians were too vain and stupid to stomp into a wasp nest, now it will be a death by a thousand cuts (what's more, they are cannibalizing their own historic genetic and demographic reservoir), we're not that stupid. But they did invade (so it is not at all bullshit but plain truth). Not only did they invade, they did it in a barbaric manner and because of the internet everyone can see it live now (unlike during the times of Stalin or Ivan Grozny). Stalin (and the Soviets in general) was very smart to hide his crimes carefully form the eyes of a wider international or even local public. I agree with that, those issues were not solved. Maybe they will be now. They chose to not be European. They have chosen to be "Eurasian". Europeans have not only rights, but also obligations, even duties, if I may use such an old fashioned word.
You do realize they are now threatening Europe with nukes (have been for years in fact on their TV)? And you're simultaneously expecting "European rights" for them? Are you crazy?Replies: @Beckow
And, Beckow, the nuclear aspect is not regional, but global. In the (currently) unlikely scenario that nukes got involved (and to use nukes on the European continent, historically for the first time or at all, would be a very very big deal and that’s an understatement) – this would move from a regional or even continental conflict to a global security issue. Russia would become completely isolated at that point.
China will do anything to avert this because China has several neighboring countries that it doesn’t have such a good relationship with who are very advanced and who could create their own nukes relatively quickly (I’m talking about Japan, South Korean). This is a nightmare scenario for China which would be triggered by Russia employing nukes.
It is also possible that there will be a retaliation by Anglos (it’s not a given, but a relatively high possibility). This retaliation could even happen on Russian soil (but most likely the Russian conventional army in Ukraine would be decimated in a short time frame). So Russia, a country with 8 time zones, could be left without an army at all at that point.
Keep in mind that many people, most famously our host, believe the West perpetuated a worldwide biological weapons attack just a few years ago, killing millions of people. Without agreeing or disagreeing on this point, it shows where the military 'overton window' can go. What was unthinkable in mid-2019 was widely considered as likely a year later. Bioweapons attacks are often considered equally bad if not worse than nuclear attacks.
The Chernobyl disaster already spread much more contamination than a few tactical nukes would cause. This may be why the Ukrainians were so cavalier about firing on the ZPP reactors, they have seen worse! This nonchalance is one of the many reasons to be more concerned about nuclear escalation in Ukraine, not less.Replies: @Wokechoke
https://www.threads.net/@bloombergbusinessIn terms of the "economic moat" theory, Twitter has the "switching costs" and "network effects".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_moat But Zuckerberg partly avoids these parts of an "economic moat" by using the customers from Instagram.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
It’s run by Zuckerberg. It will be very very different and not in any better way.
Ah, yes. The Ghost of Kiev and his missile shield 🙂
I think the attack on the Patriot batteries in Kiev had at least three purposes. We can agree to disagree on the actual results.
1) Remind Kievans they are not invulnerable.
2) Nudge the Kievans to have their government sue for peace (a gradual process).
3) Clarify technical SEAD details for more serious strikes in the future.
If Russia gets to the point of delivering “Strike Package Bravo” or whatever, you will see more than “a missile or two may get through”. While that might give JJ a few accurate pictures to kvetch about I hope it doesn’t come to that.
The zero sum game Banderite, neocon-neolib approach is what's responsible for Ukraine's situation.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Wouldn’t the Donbass have been given veto power over Ukrainian EU membership and security arrangements?
Interestingly, it looks like Poland has replaced Hungary with Romania as a strategic partner.
Military buildup:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/prince_charles/article-12276633/ANDREW-NEIL-Poles-rearming-breathtaking-rate-Europes-rising-power.html
The scale of Polish rearmament is breathtaking, leaving much bigger Nato allies such as France, Britain and Germany behind in its wake.
From South Korea alone, the Poles are buying 1,000 (yes 1,000!) K2 main battle tanks, 673 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 48, allowing it to junk (or give to Ukraine) what’s left of its Soviet-era air force. Poland is now the biggest importer of South Korean military hardware in the world.
But the spending spree doesn’t stop there. Poland is also spending more than $6 billion on 366 American Abrams tanks, including 250 of the latest, state-of-the-art model (the M1A2). Combined with its Korean armour, Poland will boast a force of tanks so formidable that it will be unmatched by anyone else in Europe.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ
Poland allying with Romania would simply be recreating the trends of the interwar era. Back then, Poland and Romania both feared the Soviet Union whereas Hungary did not.
we have no good way of estimating the losses of men and materiel of either side. Oryx is total bullshit
Poland is arming for self-defense. It would be idiotic not to, after February 2022 (and given the overall security situation, granted the situation could improve after the war, but not become fully satisfactory, there will be a Cold War for many years to come, probably decades).
Poland will not deliberately "go to war with RusFed". If RusFed continues to strike Western Ukraine, air defense will be added (there is already air defense at work but it doesn't catch every missile, the strikes such as the one that happened the other day in Lviv could be much, much worse if most of the missiles did not get intercepted).
We need to put a little bit of realism into this kind of talk. Yes, there is danger and risks, but RusFed can barely fight a war in Ukraine, you imagine RusFed starting a war with Poland (and thus NATO)? Poland is not going to touch the enclave. I mean, are you even aware of the deployment of troops in various RusFed geographies? There are some troops in the enclave and of course missiles, but troops have been moved from places such as Pskov to be sent to Ukraine.
If Russia made a move on Poland, there would immediately be German and Nordic troops there, British and American. The full rage of Europe would fall upon Russia.
RusFed doesn't have the resources to do it right now. Will they have the resources in 20 years? Maybe yes, maybe no. We're not going to wait that long but are going to arm ourselves.
P.s. Karaganov drinks. That doesn't mean the nuclear threat is not there, but it's still something of note. When you drink for many years, your brain gets affected eventually.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Sean
I assume the Russia military gradually rotates some troops out of the combat zone so soldiers stationed across the country have combat experience. NATO may be doing the same thing.
Do main Polish ideologues, top political commentators and heads of General Staff drink daily or weekly? Is it wine or something heavier? 🙂
By listening to what Europeans talk about. And, yes, more than now.
There is nothing cliche about it, it is a normal part of existence since time immemorial. It’s just that for 30 years Euros cared little about their defense, now they’re catching up, that’s why it looks like it’s a lot, but it is actually not that much compared to how it was during the old Cold War.
I didn’t say they “cannot do it” (And “it” what? Let’s be more specific). I’m not trying to compete here about who is right or who has a more accurate or realistic picture of the future or some other contest (it’s a guy thing). All I asked was, do you know what the Russian troop deployments currently are given Russia’s wide geography? Sorry to bring you to the ground from your contemplative heights with these basic questions.
Simple questions – during this hypothetical confrontation that you guys believe is somehow imminent and unavoidable, who will move where, from the pure logistics standpoint, in what numbers and with what tech? How will the current Russian troop deployments in Ukraine affect this?
I already said that they could shoot missiles. There have been nuclear carrying missiles in the enclave now for, what, 10 years? But they will be shooting them into NATO territory, not just on the territory closely bordering NATO. There is some air defense in place (and more air defense solutions are being planned).
No, those were expeditions by the US and allies against much weaker states (or maybe not even that weak in some cases). Within a geopolitical context, of course.
Those were done willingly by the US. The US, much less Europe, are not planning such an expedition to Russia. This is something they want to avoid at all costs (and if you look at the likes of Sullivan, there is probably something else going on there as well). So this would be a completely different scenario. That’s why I’m asking you – who is going to move and where? Under what specific conditions? Russians were too vain and stupid to stomp into a wasp nest, now it will be a death by a thousand cuts (what’s more, they are cannibalizing their own historic genetic and demographic reservoir), we’re not that stupid.
But they did invade (so it is not at all bullshit but plain truth). Not only did they invade, they did it in a barbaric manner and because of the internet everyone can see it live now (unlike during the times of Stalin or Ivan Grozny). Stalin (and the Soviets in general) was very smart to hide his crimes carefully form the eyes of a wider international or even local public.
I agree with that, those issues were not solved. Maybe they will be now.
They chose to not be European. They have chosen to be “Eurasian”. Europeans have not only rights, but also obligations, even duties, if I may use such an old fashioned word.
You do realize they are now threatening Europe with nukes (have been for years in fact on their TV)? And you’re simultaneously expecting “European rights” for them? Are you crazy?
All wars are barbaric - so far Russia has been a lot less ruthless and barbaric than Nato was in their wars. A lot less, Iraqi civilians were killed in hundreds of thousands, and people in the West were gleefully celebrating (please, don't resort to casual racism to dismiss it - it is ugly, people are people). They are threatening each other. Leaving the ABM treaty, placing missiles on Russian borders, moving into Ukraine have been much more real threats than what Russia has belatedly said. The only people who actually used nukes are running Nato, so by your logic the people in those countries have no human rights? You the crazy one - the hatred and desperation has made you so, You are losing an aggressive war that you didn't have to fight - a war of choice for the West, they didn't have yo move into Ukraine - that often drives people mad.
You are a sad spectacle old woman, living your revenge fantasies and watching them turn to dust. You should have stayed with your Waffen SS memorials, it was stupid but harmless.Replies: @LatW
Well, which ones do you know? In North America? The original ones have passed away and their kids and grandkids are most likely just woke now. Is there anyone left outside of Russia?
https://www.amazon.com/House-Built-Sand-Conflicts-1939-1945/dp/0837182913
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/wlassow-verrater-oder-patriot-by-sven-steenberg-cologne-verlag-wissenschaft-und-politik-1968-256-pp-dm-18-vlasov-by-sven-steenberg-translated-from-the-german-by-abe-farbstein-new-york-alfred-a-knopf-1970-ix-241-pp-750/A8F0D29CBFB312C4653641D69CE39D71
https://www.amazon.com/Against-Stalin-Hitler-Liberation-1941-1945/dp/0381981851
https://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Soviet-Soldiers-Hitlers-Armies/dp/0151440859
Been in touch with one of the authors who wrote this book:
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/vlasov-and-the-russian-liberation-movement-soviet-reality-and-emigre-theories_catherine-andreyev/594135/#edition=7299939&idiq=10554836
In short, they were pro-Russian and anti-Communist, making them wary of Banderites and sovoks.Replies: @LatW
China will do anything to avert this because China has several neighboring countries that it doesn't have such a good relationship with who are very advanced and who could create their own nukes relatively quickly (I'm talking about Japan, South Korean). This is a nightmare scenario for China which would be triggered by Russia employing nukes.
It is also possible that there will be a retaliation by Anglos (it's not a given, but a relatively high possibility). This retaliation could even happen on Russian soil (but most likely the Russian conventional army in Ukraine would be decimated in a short time frame). So Russia, a country with 8 time zones, could be left without an army at all at that point.Replies: @QCIC
Attitudes toward tactical nukes could easily change.
Keep in mind that many people, most famously our host, believe the West perpetuated a worldwide biological weapons attack just a few years ago, killing millions of people. Without agreeing or disagreeing on this point, it shows where the military ‘overton window’ can go. What was unthinkable in mid-2019 was widely considered as likely a year later. Bioweapons attacks are often considered equally bad if not worse than nuclear attacks.
The Chernobyl disaster already spread much more contamination than a few tactical nukes would cause. This may be why the Ukrainians were so cavalier about firing on the ZPP reactors, they have seen worse! This nonchalance is one of the many reasons to be more concerned about nuclear escalation in Ukraine, not less.
No, it is not correct.
You could try to make such a point – that morality there is purely normative, i.e. based on law – for Torah. Still, Israel opponents there are constantly lambasted there as “of evil and corrupted ways”, not “lawless” – so in some way the internal moral perspective is present there. Such a perspective will be reinforced in late prophecies of OT, where either Ezekiel or Jeremiah or Obadiah speaks about God removing the corrupted shepherds [priests] of Israel after the fall of first Temple, since He Himself is going to be Israel shepherd from now on, and that remaining Israel will now have Law in their hearts so priests won’t be necessary in any way. I have always wondered why Judaism basically skims over that, since it seriously undermines the authority of any priest or rabbi (obviously any law in hearts cannot be of pilpul kind, rather of strong and clear conscience) and makes any Temple rebuilding redundant too.
It is like Judaism clings to Torah and tries to make prophetic writings redundant. Clearly someone chooses what he wants to read.
Unfortunately, Old Believers also cling to some external customs instead of “Law in their hearts”.
Keep in mind that many people, most famously our host, believe the West perpetuated a worldwide biological weapons attack just a few years ago, killing millions of people. Without agreeing or disagreeing on this point, it shows where the military 'overton window' can go. What was unthinkable in mid-2019 was widely considered as likely a year later. Bioweapons attacks are often considered equally bad if not worse than nuclear attacks.
The Chernobyl disaster already spread much more contamination than a few tactical nukes would cause. This may be why the Ukrainians were so cavalier about firing on the ZPP reactors, they have seen worse! This nonchalance is one of the many reasons to be more concerned about nuclear escalation in Ukraine, not less.Replies: @Wokechoke
Chernobyl, Chernobyled: definition: the process where Ukraine malpractice is offloaded onto Soviet incompetence and is ultimately transformed into Russian blame.
ex: Let’s Chernobyl the violence of blacks and point the finger at the Puritans and the duellist semi-mythological “honor culture” of the white settlers in the deep south.
I'm not bloodthirsty, just realistic about the hell the Ukrainians have gotten themselves into.
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I think many in the Russian military leadership must have known that Ukraine would fight back hard. They were well aware of the preparations including NATO handholding and training for a very long time. They must have been aware of the general sentiment on the ground, fostered and enforced by NeoNAZI quasi-Patriotism.
Maybe we will find out what really happened someday.
I assume that throughout the SMO Russia has kept solid reserves out of Ukraine and across the country to handle the not unlikely event of additional wars breaking out, probably caused by the West. I am surprised this has not happened, but apparently Russia nipped things in the bud in both Kazakhstan and Belarus. Maybe they are staying ahead of it.Replies: @LatW
These lines were not established firmly or clearly enough. Also, decolonization never happened (and it is clear now that it should’ve). Russia’s neighbors, too, have legitimate security interests. They are objective.
What do you mean that they are of a “different character”? Are you trying to say that Russians and Americans are more important as human beings than other people on the planet (some of who are more ancient peoples than these two, in fact)? That they somehow deserve more security than others? Who told you that?
The problem is that “smaller countries” add up and, in fact, they may look like countries, but they are actually a civilization. Russia messed with the smaller countries for 30 years (meddling, threatening, boycotting, blatant, untactful spying, aggressive diplomacy in places such as OSCE, violation of airspace, etc).
But then they messed with one too many – Ukraine is not a small country – in fact, Ukraine had been the donor to Russia for many decades, possibly centuries. Ukraine was (foolishly) donating its human resources to former Muscovy. This will probably stop now.
When you wrangle serious weapons out of Ukraine’s hands*, like the Americans (together with RusFed) did in the early 1990s, and then allow that country to be attacked later and threaten not only the existence of the country itself but its people, its founding nation, then you are party in this – you have actually created this security problem and are responsible for it.
* And it wasn’t just the nuclear weapons, but also Ukrainian made missiles that were given to RusFed and are now being used on Ukrainian civilians.
China's rise was facilitated by America because US strategists thought China to be a natural rival of the Soviet Union which was thought to be outproducing the US in ICBMs.
The current situation where Russia is weak and China the threat, the original assumptions might still have held good when it came down to it. But the Ukraine war. whereby Russia is being severely tested puts any idea of the Kremlin turning to Washington in doubt.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Germany and Austria-Hungary were allies for several decades in spite of them having a very long common border.
It is like Judaism clings to Torah and tries to make prophetic writings redundant. Clearly someone chooses what he wants to read.
Unfortunately, Old Believers also cling to some external customs instead of "Law in their hearts".Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
One has to also notice that primarily/purely normative system can be easily manipulated by its interpretators – this is what rabbis have been doing for long time, and they even created “the oven of Akhnai” midrash to somehow justify this practice.
Poland is arming for self-defense. It would be idiotic not to, after February 2022 (and given the overall security situation, granted the situation could improve after the war, but not become fully satisfactory, there will be a Cold War for many years to come, probably decades).
Poland will not deliberately "go to war with RusFed". If RusFed continues to strike Western Ukraine, air defense will be added (there is already air defense at work but it doesn't catch every missile, the strikes such as the one that happened the other day in Lviv could be much, much worse if most of the missiles did not get intercepted).
We need to put a little bit of realism into this kind of talk. Yes, there is danger and risks, but RusFed can barely fight a war in Ukraine, you imagine RusFed starting a war with Poland (and thus NATO)? Poland is not going to touch the enclave. I mean, are you even aware of the deployment of troops in various RusFed geographies? There are some troops in the enclave and of course missiles, but troops have been moved from places such as Pskov to be sent to Ukraine.
If Russia made a move on Poland, there would immediately be German and Nordic troops there, British and American. The full rage of Europe would fall upon Russia.
RusFed doesn't have the resources to do it right now. Will they have the resources in 20 years? Maybe yes, maybe no. We're not going to wait that long but are going to arm ourselves.
P.s. Karaganov drinks. That doesn't mean the nuclear threat is not there, but it's still something of note. When you drink for many years, your brain gets affected eventually.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Sean
I wouldn’t count on Albion perfide. Much can change in the world in a year or so. Just look at the National Socialist Germany/Stalinist USSR pact right before Britain declared war on Germany. Hitler must have felt a deep sense of personal betrayal when Chamberlain pick him out for war after a few bloodless/legal border modifications and left alone the bloodstained gore drenched Stalin.
Russia is the one who started the Donbass War and who refused to put an end to it for eight long years by refusing to outright annex the Donbass. Then, when it finally had an opportunity to do just that, it proceeded to invade the rest of Ukraine instead and kill many more people.
Nazi Germany invaded Poland first. Stalin only invaded Poland after the Anglo-French had already declared war on Nazi Germany.
Russia and China are Mackinder styled World Island.
Zelensky is very corrupt. His neo-Muslim Ukiewood operation is almost identical to Pallywood in form and function. He openly serves the Islamophile European Empire led by Macron & Scholz.
It is pretty easy to identify Zelensky as an enemy of Judaism.
PEACE 😇Replies: @QCIC
I think Islam is totally on Judaism’s leash. I agree they have a strange master-pet relationship which plays out in the middle east and other places. Saudi Arabia is probably the weirdest, though it might look pretty normal from the perspective of Turks in the 1800’s.
I don’t know what Zelensky said to the Knesset which got you so riled up but just remember he is a comedian. However, you should do some research on Igor. It would be interesting to know what Talmudic or Kabbalistic sect he aligns with.
Do you consider these groups non-Jewish, is that the point you are always trying to make? Are you a Karaite?
The European Empire is on Islam's leash. That is why Europe has Open [Muslim] Borders. Saudi's #1 problem is the warmongering of sociopath Khamenei. Having Israel on tap to destroy Iranian nuke development is simply enlightened self interest.
I suspect that they also grasp that 70+ years of efforts to steal Christian & Jewish land in Palestine is completely unsuccessful. They have no interest in another century of failure. Therefore, extreme & untoward hostility against indigenous Palestinian Jews makes no political sense.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/Replies: @QCIC
I think James Lindsay has written some good explanations of Woke beliefs but his stuff about Hegel and Gnosticism is not good. He is a really strong liberal and so won’t go into the more likely and more recent origins of the trans stuff.
There is something similar with some of the academic feminists who are resisting it, though others who are sceptical of liberalism will be more direct.
Aristotle died in the 4th century BCE, while Augustine died in the 5th CE. This is probably a metaphor about him reading Aristotle in his early twenties ?
I can read Spanish with a dictionary, but I would never claim being able to read Spanish. Reading Plotinus with a dictionary must be a tough thing to do, translating his subtle Neoplatonicist writings with a dictionary is just weird.
Now, don’t get me wrong , Augustine was an outstanding individual, but I wouldn’t base my opinions about the Diatessaron on his views.
And yeah, the main fault of Tatian in the eyes of the Roman theologians, seems him being from a country that fell under Sasanian control and him being a vocal critic of the Greek. Anyway, he was a pupil of Justin Martyr that was the earliest notable among the Christian philosophers. Justin has never denounced him as heretical and the Diatessaron was in use by the Syriac and Coptic Churches well into the Middle Ages. Therefore, I would judge it only when I finish it.
Regarding Kosmas Indicopleustes, what is interesting is not that he sailed to India, many did – the trade was quite vigorous between the Hellenistic Middle East and Sri Lanka/Hindustan, but the fact that some aspects of his Christian Topography are distinctly Buddhist. But so is also the Byzantine legend of Barlaam and Josaphat, which drew upon the life of Siddhartha Gautama to create a Christian myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlaam_and_Josaphat
I have always written that this war is wrong. I believe it is a terrible thing. I regret all the victims and suffering on both sides of the front. May peace prevail as soon as possible.
Why don’t you ask me directly ?
🙂
With this one, I might even agree to an extent (although my hunch is the US/UK, et al, would retaliate in some manner). But it is true that the world is very dynamic right now and can change quickly – granted, in several possible directions.
The safest bet for Ukraine would be to re-invigorate their own military industry, if they are capable of it to any significant extent given the very difficult circumstances. They had their own, rather serious, missile program, but it’s not clear what volumes they could potentially achieve.
You know I am trying to argue against the West blundering into nuclear war and that I believe this is a serious risk. Why not give a sympathetic reading with that in mind?
What I was struggling to convey is there is a hierarchy of interests in terms of global survival. Many of these agreements (treaties, alliances, etc.) related to wars and borders and cultures are extremely difficult to create and maintain. Since we can’t do everything, this means there needs to be a hierarchy. This is not to give certain people a preferred position (thought that obviously does happen), but to make the agreements which protect humanity the top priority.
The agreements which decrease the risk of Western-Russian nuclear war (don’t forget about world-wide fallout, nuclear winter, mass starvation, pervasive genetic damage, etc. across the world) are the most essential. It is inherent in the goal of these agreements that we gradually want to reduce the number of nuclear weapons and possibly eliminate them. This requires trust. A corollary or foundation of the main idea is to not make later agreements which undermine the validity or contradict the intent of the original, more crucial treaties.
This is why expansion of NATO and meddling in Ukraine are so bad. The treaty is simply an agreement which depends on trust, mutual respect and shared concerns. The West is a party to nuclear arms reductions treaties which made EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED WORLD SAFER (until the USA started dropping out). The premise of the arms reduction treaties is that we agree to NOT fight a war, specifically not with nuclear weapons. The NATO expansion and Western meddling in Ukraine directly contradict that premise. These efforts say, “No, we are actually planning to go to war with Russia.” The USA backing out of the ABM treaty was worse but the issues are more technical and less “human”. The emotional betrayal aspect of expanding NATO and other issues is much worse. From an outside perspective, the West was casually lying and undermining some of the most important treaty agreements in human history.
This has gone on for thirty years now and people take it for granted. They have forgotten or never knew how serious and important this gradual nuclear arms reduction process really is. The USA never had many competent diplomats, but they have been entirely absent since 199o. The best hope was that smaller counties would stay sensible in these global matters, but that did not happen.
Best would be if nobody had any, or, if there have to be, then let each regional bloc have them and let them be distributed equally (US, Russia (with the caveat that they don't talk about them on tv all day), Israel, Poland-Ukraine, UK - Scandinavia, Japan, India, Pakistan, Norks, who ever in the south, etc). I'm sure you're going to be fully content with that.
And, while you're at it, be civilized like Israel - when Israel is asked, do you have nukes, they respond: "We don't have nukes, but, if needed, we will use them". They stay quiet about them. If NATO is not to advance, then Russia needs to leave, too. Russia cannot decide how Eastern Europeans live in their own homes. We don't dictate to Russians or Americans how they can or cannot live in their own homes, neither should they be able to. There is nothing that makes them superior human beings who should dictate to others.
If we go even further than that, then we should remember John Locke who believed that a human being belongs only to himself and God. This may not be what nationalists believe, but this is what the civilized world believes (and even many ethnonats would have no issue with this, if it is kept in balance with the interests of their nation). The process of European unification after the unification of Germany was natural and made sense historically, politically, morally. Overall it has been a success and has benefitted everyone. If some kind of a similar solution would have been found for Ukraine and if there had been decolonization (from the USSR), then things may have turned out more peaceful (even with Russia choosing to not be democratic, but autocratic - although it appears that aggressive politics naturally arise from this type of autocracies, at least in Russia's case).Replies: @QCIC
Do you know where the “Heartland” is supposed to be exactly? Is it in Central Asia?
https://www.iwp.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/20131016_MackinderTheGeographicalJournal.pdf
Stalin was just taking back the Orthodox area the imperious Catholic Poles were squatting on. This is true. However, Britain could have actually tried to fight the USSR over Finland, the Balts or Bessarabia.
Quite an interesting “what if..?” if you ask me.
Instead the British left several thousand intact Trucks, Bren Carriers, 25pdr guns, 40mm anti aircraft guns, 40mm AT guns, .55in AT rifles, Bren Guns, mortars, ammo and assorted gear on the beach for Germany to hurl at the USSR a year later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Carrier
130,000 units built. Most ubiquitous tracked vehicle in the war…
Captured Universal Carriers were used in a number of roles by German forces especially in Crimea.
A total of around sixty Bren No.2 Carriers and Belgian Army Vickers Utility Tractors were converted into demolition vehicles. Carrying a large explosive charge, these would be driven up to enemy positions under remote control and detonated, destroying both themselves and the target. Twenty-nine of both kinds were deployed in 1942 during the Siege of Sevastopol. They achieved some success in destroying Soviet trenches and bunkers, but a significant number were destroyed by artillery. Others were disabled by land mines before reaching their target or were lost because of mechanical breakdowns. A difficulty for the Germans using these foreign-built vehicles was the lack of spare parts.
Other specialist roles:
2 cm Flak 38 auf Fahrgestell Bren(e): Single barrel German 2 cm Flak 38 cannon mounted over the engine compartment of a captured Bren carrier.
3.7 cm Pak auf Fahrgestell Bren(e): Captured carrier of 1940, reused by the Germans and fitted with a 3.7 cm Pak 36 anti-tank gun.
Panzerjäger Bren 731(e): Bren carriers captured by the Germans and fitted with a transport rack for three Panzerschreck anti-tank rocket launchers; the weapons were not fired from the Bren gun carrier, only transported.
Boyes AT .55 in rifles captured after the evacuation of the British Expeditionary Forces in Norway and France were designated 13,9 mm Panzerabwehrbüchse 782 (englisch), abbreviated PzB 782(e), in German service. These were of great use against the Russian BT series tanks and Soviet trucks.
Network state citizenships are not mutually exclusive to the extent that nation state citizenships tend to be.
For instance, nothing stops me from being an Afropolitan (if they accept transracial POC thing like myself), Prospera, and Zuzalu simultaneously.
https://thenetworkstate.com/dashboard
In the long-term, I expect there to be 10,000s to millions of network states ranging the gamut from say Anthropic citizens (e.g. belonging to lifeforms descended primarily from humans, as opposed to say uplifted animals and de novo lifeforms) to small groups, teams, and cliques. No. They will own land as private gated property, cryptographically secured on blockchain. Though some obviously will have public open areas and/or open days. Yes, EHC obviously embraces polyamory.
It has been historically maladaptive, but this will no longer be the case as posthumans free themselves from their inherited genetic and psychosexual anchors.
In general all the many gender identities will go from mostly larp (not to kink shame or counter-signal against them - as an extreme progressive, that is not something I would ever do - but realistically, that is what most of this stuff currently is, due to technological backwardness) to something that's actually quite real and concrete.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
So, in other words, this would be a libertarian’s dream version of a state where everything is privatized?
Also, would they have the right to sell their property to whomever they would want to, or would there be restrictions on that? Would a citizen of a white nationalist network state be allowed to sell their property within this network state to a non-white person, for instance? (I can easily imagine rich people with different political visions from those who currently live in network states buying up a lot of property in these network states in an attempt to destroy these network states from within. Or would doing so be pointless because the former citizens of this network state can simply recreate this network state elsewhere?)
It seems more prudent to aim to support positions and policies that actually work rather than merely those that result in more social capital being accumulated to you. When these two factors are aligned with one another, though, then that’s perfect, but when they aren’t, then it still seems more prudent to support what actually works than what’s currently popular and fashionable but whose odds of producing successful outcomes is considerably less.
In regards to Ukraine specifically, what EHC was able to realize, even though it generally could not foresee Ukraine holding out against Russia, is that Russia would have extreme difficulty winning over Ukrainian hearts and minds simply because Russia is nowhere near as attractive for Ukrainians as the EU is (the EU’s total population is much bigger, more creative and inventive, and richer as well). You argue that the US is justified in having race-based affirmative action in order to make all US racial and ethnic groups committed to the American vision and ideal. (Would the same logic apply to Jewish quotas if they were necessary to make gentiles more committed to a particular national vision?) But what exactly was actually going to commit Ukrainians to the Russian vision and ideal? Simply having a better life under Russian rule might not be enough since the Ukrainians who would have moved to the EU would have also had a better life (indeed, a *considerably* better life) under EU rule. (Indeed, German rule in Posen Province produced numerous benefits for the Poles there, such as near-universal literacy and increased wealth and prosperity relative to neighboring Polish areas, and yet the Poles there rebelled against the Germans once Germany descended into revolution in 1918-1919, indicating that they preferred to be a part of an independent Poland that does not practice cultural genocide against them than to be a part of a Germany that does (or did) do this.)
As you said, while EHC might have been wrong on the specific details of Russia (being overly pessimistic about certain demographic and economic trends in Russia), what it did get right is that Russia had ambitions that were way out of its league. The interesting thing, of course, is that in an absolute sense, Russia’s demographics aren’t much worse than those of the 1945 US (140-150 million people, 90% white, but with almost no Jews and with a much, much smaller creative fraction because of the lack of large Hajnal Line populations within Russia, unlike in the US). But the US in 1945 was able to have a long and strong baby boom as well as a huge subsequent decades-long wave of immigration, including of many cognitive elites. Russians, in contrast, are unwilling to breed a lot and Russia is nowhere near as attractive of a destination for global cognitive elites as the US is. And again, the lack of a large (Hajnal Line/Ashkenazi Jewish) creative fraction also hurts Russia.
World Island. Mackinder reckoned the key ground to be Ukraine.
Misogynists and homophobes might mind it if Muslim immigrants bring over their misogyny and xenophobia (and general intolerance) over with them to the West. But that’s mostly a problem with lower-IQ Muslims.
Some EHC does appear to be concerned about Muslim radicalism, such as Sam Harris. He argues that there is a strong need for Muslims to reform their faith and that unfortunately in much of the world, Islam is currently “all fringe and no center”. He does of course support Muslim liberals and reformists who want to improve the Muslim faith by making it better and more tolerant and by throwing out Islam’s problematic doctrines.
EHC also does appear to care about high black crime rates because they (and others) generally don’t want to live next to large numbers of blacks, their rhetorical signaling for black causes aside.
But EHC appears to have much less problems with Latin Americans, or with non-Muslim South Asians, or even with Muslim and African cognitive elites. The Persian cognitive elites in Southern California are great at successfully assimilating, for instance.
"*Non-misogynists* and *non-homophobes* might mind it if Muslim immigrants bring over their misogyny and *homophobia* (and general intolerance) over with them to the West. But that’s mostly a problem with lower-IQ Muslims."
(Corrected typos.) Or with East Asians, for that matter. Even the alt-right loves to have East Asian waifus, such as John Derbyshire. I'm surprised that the East Asian waifus themselves don't mind dating alt-righters, though, especially considering that some alt-righters are perceived as social losers and/or social outcasts.
BTW, stuff like this needs to stop before Russia can even be considered for EU candidacy status:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/07/04/journalist-who-revealed-killing-of-gay-men-in-chechnya-brutally-attacked/?sh=21781e1c6c73
Regime change in Russia would also be required, of course.
Why did Germany’s invasion of the USSR codenamed “Barbarossa” kill so many Soviet troops?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_Bomb
The original Cluster Bomb, The “Butterfly Bomb” SD 2 saw use in the opening stages of Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union which began on 22 June 1941. Twenty to thirty aircrews had been picked to drop SD 2s and SD10s (10 kg submunitions) on key Soviet airfields, a flight of three aircraft being assigned to each field. The purpose of these early attacks was to cause disruption and confusion as well as to preclude dispersion of Soviet planes until the main attack was launched. It was reported that Kampfgeschwader 51 lost 15 aircraft due to accidents with the SD 2s – nearly half of the total Luftwaffe losses that day.
Luftwaffe monthly consumption of the SD 2 increased from 289,000 examples in the summer of 1941 to 436,000 in July 1943 and 520,000 in August 1943. This increase was nowhere near high enough to match the Luftwaffe senior leadership’s demands.
Some EHC does appear to be concerned about Muslim radicalism, such as Sam Harris. He argues that there is a strong need for Muslims to reform their faith and that unfortunately in much of the world, Islam is currently "all fringe and no center". He does of course support Muslim liberals and reformists who want to improve the Muslim faith by making it better and more tolerant and by throwing out Islam's problematic doctrines.
EHC also does appear to care about high black crime rates because they (and others) generally don't want to live next to large numbers of blacks, their rhetorical signaling for black causes aside.
But EHC appears to have much less problems with Latin Americans, or with non-Muslim South Asians, or even with Muslim and African cognitive elites. The Persian cognitive elites in Southern California are great at successfully assimilating, for instance.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
I owe a correction here:
“*Non-misogynists* and *non-homophobes* might mind it if Muslim immigrants bring over their misogyny and *homophobia* (and general intolerance) over with them to the West. But that’s mostly a problem with lower-IQ Muslims.”
(Corrected typos.)
Or with East Asians, for that matter. Even the alt-right loves to have East Asian waifus, such as John Derbyshire. I’m surprised that the East Asian waifus themselves don’t mind dating alt-righters, though, especially considering that some alt-righters are perceived as social losers and/or social outcasts.
BTW, stuff like this needs to stop before Russia can even be considered for EU candidacy status:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/07/04/journalist-who-revealed-killing-of-gay-men-in-chechnya-brutally-attacked/?sh=21781e1c6c73
Regime change in Russia would also be required, of course.
I don't know what Zelensky said to the Knesset which got you so riled up but just remember he is a comedian. However, you should do some research on Igor. It would be interesting to know what Talmudic or Kabbalistic sect he aligns with.
Do you consider these groups non-Jewish, is that the point you are always trying to make? Are you a Karaite?Replies: @A123
What an odd post…
Anti-Semite Zelensky did not get “me” riled up. He intentionally offended and riled up indigenous Palestinian Jews. Sorry if this is a repost to some: (1)
That post-Judaic apostate Zelensky is an enemy of Judaism is 100% proven. There is no room for the slightest doubt.
ROTFL. That has to be a joke.
The European Empire is on Islam’s leash. That is why Europe has Open [Muslim] Borders.
Saudi’s #1 problem is the warmongering of sociopath Khamenei. Having Israel on tap to destroy Iranian nuke development is simply enlightened self interest.
I suspect that they also grasp that 70+ years of efforts to steal Christian & Jewish land in Palestine is completely unsuccessful. They have no interest in another century of failure. Therefore, extreme & untoward hostility against indigenous Palestinian Jews makes no political sense.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/
For right or wrong, good or bad, this website is a den of Holocaust Investigation...I mean denial.
The Ukrainian Actor President (she/him) does what his (((puppet masters))) tell him to do.
Speaking of odd,
I think we need a cell phone video of Hunter and Volodymyr getting coked up together. Then it shows Hunter berating the comedian for being a fag and giving him a wedgie.Replies: @A123
While that is true, I would say that Italy–the other country in the Triple Alliance–was far less of of a natural ally of the Austro-Hungarian Empire than Germany, and when it came down to it Italy not only failed to honour the alliance but actually fought against Austro-Hungary and Germany.
Hitler was an Austrian born and bred, he left the Austro-Hungarian Empire for the first time aged 24 years’ old. Yet he became leader of Germany. I think Austria was seen as part of the German nation, and so there was a extremely strong cultural and ethnic affinity between Austria and Germany, which is why the victors of WW1 stipulated in its aftermath that Austria and Germany could not become one country.
It is admittedly at first blush very difficult to believe Russia would directly participate in a shooting war along with China against America and the rest of the West. Yet, it is so much less implausible than it was only a couple of years ago. For most of the Cold War America was closer to the USSR and China than they were to each other. I think there is a watershed as a result of the Ukraine war inasmuch the US is now no longer able to count on an estranged Russia coming round to seeing itself as a natural enemy of China rather than the West.
Here’s the 1904 article itself in its entirety for you to read/take a look at:
https://www.iwp.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/20131016_MackinderTheGeographicalJournal.pdf
I just listened to a nice big picture interview with Macgregor. This one is high level and I think is worth watching (no predictions on how many bombs will be dropped on Tuesday). He starts off with a brief introduction to Ukrainian Nationalism which seemed even handed to me.
He mentioned Ukrainian population numbers. For 1990, I think he meant to say 50 million people.
The nature of the initial Russian assault proves that this is what Russia's leaders assumed - they sent a bunch of riot police to Kiev to establish order for the new pro-Russian leader they hoped to install fairly quickly and bloodlessly. Elite paratroopers would be sufficient for such a quick operation. Instead, the riot police and paratroopers were slaughtered. Do you understand that no country has a right to demand red lines within the borders of another country? That doing so is already an act of aggression? If Mexico demanded a red line that Spanish be made a second official language in the Southwest, this would be an act of aggression by Mexico.
Russia initiated aggression by claiming red lines within Ukraine's borders. Then attacked. So you claim.
But you support Russian aggression. You claim that it is necessary to kill all the Ukrainians who oppose Russian rule (about 90% of them) so that only the ones willing to acquiesce remain. That's more people murdered than the Nazis or Stalin killed. You even indicated it might be a good idea to nuke Western Ukraine.
You are a bloodthirsty monster, eager for the deaths of tens of millions, hiding behind your keyboard.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
I wouldn’t go that far since the US did, in fact, make the placement of Soviet nukes in Cuba (albeit not 11,000 Soviet troops and a Soviet radar station later on) a red line. However, Yes, I do agree with you that a country’s red lines on another country’s territory would need to be significant and severe. The issue with the Russian ultimatum is that parts of it were perceived as being unreasonable and Russia did not give the West the option of only accepting parts of it; it was a take it or leave it kind of deal.
I do think that countries should have some say in their neighbors’ security arrangements but nowhere near a carte blanche. For instance, if it was perceived to be reasonable for France to ally with Russia in the pre-WWI period even though this encircled Germany, or for Russia to ally with Serbia even though this encircled Austria-Hungary, or for the French to ally with Czechoslovakia and Poland in the interwar era even though this encircled Germany (which was not a big deal when Germany was weak, but became a much bigger deal when Germany regained its strength), then I don’t see why exactly it should be unreasonable for countries on Russia’s border to join NATO. There is even precedent for this: Turkey (which bordered the Soviet Union) joined NATO in 1952, and Latvia and Estonia (both of whom border core Russia, not just Kaliningrad, and which are just as close to Moscow as Ukraine is) joined NATO in 2004.
Membership in the West's economic association and military alliance was denied to Russia, which was left alone over-against an alliance of all its former allies in Eastern Europe in addition to Western Europe and Superpower America. More security for one country against a potential enemy means less security for the potential enemy especially where there is propinquity. That is the tragedy of great power politics as laid out by Mearsheimer.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
I didn’t ask about the ethics of the Torah, I was asking Greasy how he saw YHWH/Adonai as a Jew. And his point of view basically coincides with how I see this entity myself. I am not interested in Torah ethical alignment, this is irrelevant from my pov, just like Allah’s (same entity) ethics are irrelevant to Qurʾān’s ethical alignment. YHWH/Adonai/Allah is basically amoral, self-centered and jealous entity. It cannot possibly be the universal being it portends to be. It is too self-conscious for that and too insecure. But I don’t deny the power of this entity, clearly it was and still is able to influence humankind and drive it towards much unnecessary suffering.
Adonai is Baal is Osiris is Sarapis ... a god with a thousand faces.Judaism nowadays worships Baal under the cover of the nominal worship of YHWH. Nevertheless, Jews scream Adonai willingly, and clearly are afraid to pronounce "YHWH".
No wonder Holocaust happened to Jews - human sacrifice is an essential element of the cult of Baal.
The European Empire is on Islam's leash. That is why Europe has Open [Muslim] Borders. Saudi's #1 problem is the warmongering of sociopath Khamenei. Having Israel on tap to destroy Iranian nuke development is simply enlightened self interest.
I suspect that they also grasp that 70+ years of efforts to steal Christian & Jewish land in Palestine is completely unsuccessful. They have no interest in another century of failure. Therefore, extreme & untoward hostility against indigenous Palestinian Jews makes no political sense.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/Replies: @QCIC
Dear Mr. Islamosaurus,
For right or wrong, good or bad, this website is a den of Holocaust Investigation…I mean denial.
The Ukrainian Actor President (she/him) does what his (((puppet masters))) tell him to do.
Speaking of odd,
I think we need a cell phone video of Hunter and Volodymyr getting coked up together. Then it shows Hunter berating the comedian for being a fag and giving him a wedgie.
To find the truth one must -- Name The Muslim!
There is no other way to defend Christendom.
PEACE 😇
Back then if I’m not offhand mistaken (will have to check to be sure), Ukraine had a neutral status in its constitution. It’s quite unreasonable to expect a Commie dawn boundary Ukraine to stay as such with an overtly anti-Russian agenda.
Hungary has been on good historical terms with Poland. The Hungarians don’t fondly recall the Russian intervention against them in the late 1840s. Hungary also faced a Bela Kun red scare at the end of WW I. I recall hearing that Nazi allied Hungary gave refuge to Poles during WW II.
For right or wrong, good or bad, this website is a den of Holocaust Investigation...I mean denial.
The Ukrainian Actor President (she/him) does what his (((puppet masters))) tell him to do.
Speaking of odd,
I think we need a cell phone video of Hunter and Volodymyr getting coked up together. Then it shows Hunter berating the comedian for being a fag and giving him a wedgie.Replies: @A123
Post-Judaic apostate Zelensky’s puppet masters, (((Allah))) and (((Muhammad))), indeed tell him what to do in the service of (((Islam))). Killing Judeo-Christian youth on both sides is high up on his (((Jihadist))) list.
To find the truth one must — Name The Muslim!
There is no other way to defend Christendom.
PEACE 😇
I do think that countries should have some say in their neighbors' security arrangements but nowhere near a carte blanche. For instance, if it was perceived to be reasonable for France to ally with Russia in the pre-WWI period even though this encircled Germany, or for Russia to ally with Serbia even though this encircled Austria-Hungary, or for the French to ally with Czechoslovakia and Poland in the interwar era even though this encircled Germany (which was not a big deal when Germany was weak, but became a much bigger deal when Germany regained its strength), then I don't see why exactly it should be unreasonable for countries on Russia's border to join NATO. There is even precedent for this: Turkey (which bordered the Soviet Union) joined NATO in 1952, and Latvia and Estonia (both of whom border core Russia, not just Kaliningrad, and which are just as close to Moscow as Ukraine is) joined NATO in 2004.Replies: @Sean
You seem to be assuming that there there is a middle ground where there are are no real conflicts of interest, but there is no way of knowing what another country’s true intentions are or might become in the future; the thing that deters military action is the strength of the rival country. The USSR was strong and so was the US, but then came Gorby and Yeltsin. Starting with Ukraine parts of the Russian federation broke away and in reverse order entered the Western camp.
Membership in the West’s economic association and military alliance was denied to Russia, which was left alone over-against an alliance of all its former allies in Eastern Europe in addition to Western Europe and Superpower America. More security for one country against a potential enemy means less security for the potential enemy especially where there is propinquity. That is the tragedy of great power politics as laid out by Mearsheimer.
Interestingly enough, in its quest to solve its own security problem starting from 2014 onward, Russia failed to look at Ukraine's security problem.Replies: @Sean
I knew some of the actual ones in addition to reading these books on the subject:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/wlassow-verrater-oder-patriot-by-sven-steenberg-cologne-verlag-wissenschaft-und-politik-1968-256-pp-dm-18-vlasov-by-sven-steenberg-translated-from-the-german-by-abe-farbstein-new-york-alfred-a-knopf-1970-ix-241-pp-750/A8F0D29CBFB312C4653641D69CE39D71
Been in touch with one of the authors who wrote this book:
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/vlasov-and-the-russian-liberation-movement-soviet-reality-and-emigre-theories_catherine-andreyev/594135/#edition=7299939&idiq=10554836
In short, they were pro-Russian and anti-Communist, making them wary of Banderites and sovoks.
🙂Replies: @Greasy William
I thought you were a Buddhist?
This is if course normal, as a I was influenced by my milieu. We all are. When I was around 14 years old I started reading the Bible, I found a lot of beauty in it, especially in the Book of the Ecclesiastes and I found the preaching of Jeremiah inspiring. But I was also perplexed by the Book of Job in which G-d behaves in an unethical manner towards a pious good man by letting Satan drag the man through a sea of suffering just to test his fidelity. It didn't make sense for a good G-d to do such a thing and also to offer a completely loser explanation when asked for a reason, an explanation that amounts to "I know better and I do what I want". The story of Abraham and Isaac (or Ishmael for the Muslim) didn't make sense and the whole massacre of the Egyptian children was gross and demonic as was also the Book of Joshua with it's "and he put them to the sword" leitmotiv.
Around the same time, I read the Gospels in their Russian translation (which is quite good). The message of the Gospels resonated with me, but the terrible suffering that Jesus was subjected to and him crying on the cross "Eli, Eli lama sabahtani..." before dying was quite shocking. Clearly, something didn't go as planned, and yet Jesus arose from the dead, proving that his message was right. But his message has taken strange forms in the Christian thought. The concept of Trinity seemed strange and hard to fathom, especially that it led to much quarreling between the early Christians.
Nevertheless, I started praying, which was unusual for a kid back then in Moscow (it was still the Soviet times and religion was repressed). It was around that time that I happened to also read the first Buddhist sutras excerpts published in the Soviet periodical "Science and religion". I also happened to find about the early Christian apocrypha, although I didn't know much about it back then. It was around the final years of the Soviet Union and also my coming of age.
With the fall of the Soviet Union, the war in Chechnya and the Jewish involvement in the demise of Soviet system and mass emigration, a lot of questions began to arise in me about the interaction of Abrahamic religions and their history. I started to read about Islam, mainly Sufism and the history of Islamic civilization. I also started to read about Jewry, but it was mainly the antisemitic literature that was mass produced at the time and freely available in Moscow back then. Jews played a prominent and mostly negative role in these years in the FUSSR. I have known both persons of Muslim and Jewish ancestry since childhood among our neighbors and my family friends and relations. But they were Soviet people just like we were too. Now it was different, they weren't Russian and some of them made it feel by being negative about Russians and Russia in general. It was a novel experience and not a pleasant one. At the same time my parents became somewhat more religious, especially my mother and we often went to the Church, going to which became attached with being Russian.
Then I happened to read the book by Daisetz Suzuki about Zen and it kind of made sense in a strange way: all humans are delusional, but they can awaken to the Real and transcend their deluded state and transcend suffering. In fact, the awakened mind is inherent into their fundamental nature of consciousness, they just forget about it and are always distracted with different stupid stuff (such as endlessly shitposting on Unz). Since then I became more and more interested and involved with Buddhism and I believe that it is slowly working its transformation in my consciousness. Or perhaps it is just me getting old.
Anyway, as the famous haiku has it:
O snail, climb Mt Fuji, but slowly, slowly...
Old habits die hard, but they still end up dying. Everything flows and passes away in the end...
🙂Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1677726230802583553
https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1677712843708276736Replies: @Sean
Start at 4:36. Wagner’s significance ended with them taking Bakhmut, an operation that was designed by Surovikin, but required expendable troops, which the army did not have. So Wagner was key by getting disposable tens of thousands of convicts to soak up the Ukrainian defenders of Bakhmut’s firepower. Nothing to do with this abstruse discussion of ‘volunteerism’.
Russia has a firepower advantage on the battlefield, and reserves of artillery plus manpower still to be drawn on. Military professionals are running the war for the Kremlin, and I think it will be slow but sure with nothing very dramatic to report.
This means that we should expect no Russian counter offensive after Ukraine finally abandons their own. Earlier I had said that I expect a Russian operation to retake Kharkov but I no longer believe Russia has the strength to achieve that objective. I do think that Russia will launch small scale counter attacks to regain the parts of the grey zone that they had lost but I expect them to stay away from attempting any so called "big arrow" offensives.
The obvious problem with this strategy is what happens 2 years from now when a bigger, better trained, more experienced and better equipped UAF, operating this time with air cover, once again attempts a large scale offensive?Replies: @Mikhail
Membership in the West's economic association and military alliance was denied to Russia, which was left alone over-against an alliance of all its former allies in Eastern Europe in addition to Western Europe and Superpower America. More security for one country against a potential enemy means less security for the potential enemy especially where there is propinquity. That is the tragedy of great power politics as laid out by Mearsheimer.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Maybe Russia should have been invited into NATO. If Russia genuinely cared that much about it, though, then it wouldn’t have minded waiting in line along with other, smaller, less important countries. Russia joining the EU was unfeasible so long as Russia was an authoritarian state that was suspected of murdering its critics, so long as Russia remained notoriously corrupt, and so long as the Chechnya problem was not solved.
Interestingly enough, in its quest to solve its own security problem starting from 2014 onward, Russia failed to look at Ukraine’s security problem.
Two birds hit with the same stone.
But keep being happy about the Poles getting ready to be incinerated en mass and the Final Solution of the Slav problem getting nearer with every passing day.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @S
I heard on a ‘mainstream’ radio station in the US a rabbi make the nonchalant comment that the Ukrainians with their millions of refugees since the Russian invasion were experiencing in kind what the Jewish had as refugees from alleged Ukrainian persecution during the time of the Czars, insinuating that this experience was a type of Divine retribution upon them.
About the Poles, the mid-war fate of their Prime Minister in Exile, Władysław_Sikorski, in US/UK custody at Gibraltar, should by itself have been enough to sour them on the Anglosphere. [Of course, that doesn’t mean they had to embrace Russia, either, if they didn’t wish to.]
It will be recalled that Sikorski was becoming quite ‘inconvenient’ by the summer of 1943 for both the US/UK and the Soviets, when the ‘convenient’ for the latter fatal airplane crash occurred removing Sikorski from the scene.
Sure, accidents happen, but so do political assassinations under cover of ‘aerial mishaps’.
That it occurred on July 4th, both America’s independence day and the anniversary date of the Battle of Klushino, in an American manufactured Liberator bomber, I find interesting.
Poland was effectively ‘liberated’ that day, and for a long time after, from their natural organic leadership and the organic Polish peoplehood Sikorski represented, imperfect as he may have been in that role.
If Sikorski’s fatal Liberator crash was deliberate sabotage, maybe it was a joint US-UK/Soviet project, as both Capitalism and Communism as complimentary ideologies detest peoplehood, which is what Sikorski represented in his person.
Supposedly, there was a Soviet aircraft and crew at Gibraltar’s air field that same day, in relative close proximity to Sikorski’s Liberator.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_Sikorski
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Klushino
Luftwaffe popped a cap in his ass good and proper though.
Even when Yanukovych was neutral, he still wanted EU association and long-term EU membership for Ukraine.
He mentioned Ukrainian population numbers. For 1990, I think he meant to say 50 million people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSedpVgXwh0Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Ukraine’s population in 1990 was indeed around 50 million people but it would have been around 87 million people instead without its extreme 20th century demographic devastation. I once saw a demographic paper on LibGen/Sci-Hub which reached this conclusion.
Already addressed at this thread, if not the prior one.
Russia is the party which didn’t violate the UN approved Minsk Accords. It gave peace a chance by waiting seven years.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/26062023-post-mutiny-assessment-in-russia-oped/
Excerpt –
The EU’s offer was absurd. He sought a better deal. Russia and him also sought three way talks to work on Ukraine’s economic woes. The EU refused, taking a zero sum game approach.
Neocon, neolib drivel. Watch NATO expand and get stronger with Russia kept out during that process that included anti-Russian propaganda to justify NATO expansion with Russia kept out.
Nowadays, the EU is noticeably authoritarian, with Turkey and Russia not so interested in joining that entity as other economic groupings have gained in popularity.
Speaking of corruption, the US outspends the next seven leading nations in defense spending combined. Five of the ten leading defense spenders are NATO members. Russia has regularly ranked between four and six in defense spending. Yet Russia produces artillery shells and tanks at a much better rate than what the collective West can give to the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.
Chechnya is fortunately at peace now. Moscow and the rest of Russia are at greater peace than Paris and other parts of France. Being “suspected” isn’t proof positive.
Start at 4:36. Wagner's significance ended with them taking Bakhmut, an operation that was designed by Surovikin, but required expendable troops, which the army did not have. So Wagner was key by getting disposable tens of thousands of convicts to soak up the Ukrainian defenders of Bakhmut's firepower. Nothing to do with this abstruse discussion of 'volunteerism'.
Russia has a firepower advantage on the battlefield, and reserves of artillery plus manpower still to be drawn on. Military professionals are running the war for the Kremlin, and I think it will be slow but sure with nothing very dramatic to report.Replies: @Greasy William
Yeah, Russia has known for a while that it is impossible to militarily defeat Ukraine without Russia fully mobilizing. The Kremlin has no interest in doing that so Russia has adopted a purely attritional strategy. For nearly a year now, Russia has only used expendable militia troops for its larger offensives, and now it seems to have run out of those as well.
This means that we should expect no Russian counter offensive after Ukraine finally abandons their own. Earlier I had said that I expect a Russian operation to retake Kharkov but I no longer believe Russia has the strength to achieve that objective. I do think that Russia will launch small scale counter attacks to regain the parts of the grey zone that they had lost but I expect them to stay away from attempting any so called “big arrow” offensives.
The obvious problem with this strategy is what happens 2 years from now when a bigger, better trained, more experienced and better equipped UAF, operating this time with air cover, once again attempts a large scale offensive?
BTW, do you think that there is any chance of BLM getting its own network state? Or do they already have enough power in the US/West that they don’t need their own network state? I know that a few US blacks have actually been willing to move to Ghana in order to escape the US’s alleged “systemic racism”:
https://www.dw.com/en/back-to-roots-why-african-americans-are-flocking-to-ghana/a-64403580
But Ghana is poor (albeit extremely non-homicidal for a poor black country) and thus its attraction for BLM supporters might be less in comparison to a wealthier network state.
Also, as a side note, would you view the existence of huge numbers of network states as being comparable to what Germany had before 1789, if things like bitcoin had somehow magically already existed back then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinstaaterei#:~:text=The%20word%20Kleinstaaterei%20(German%3A%20%5B,the%20territorial%20fragmentation%20of%20Germany.
Germany was divided into hundreds of small states back then. (Italy was also divided, but not quite to the same degree/extent.) Seems like had these states survived into the present-day and embraced bitcoin, they could have become network states, no? They certainly have high and creative human capital due to their populations being made up of Hajnal Line Germans, no?
Well, then please speak clear language and admit that the security of your and Russian children is of higher priority than the security of mine and Ukrainian children. That you will have your security at our expense. Do not talk about “global peace” or “peace in Europe” in that case, it is “freedom and peace for me, but not for thee”. It is better to be transparent then.
There are also very basic things such as do not meddle with another country’s domestic matters and consider very long and carefully before taking any aggressive steps. Do not assume that you’re entitled to decide who should be the president of another country.
Please, go ahead and start with yourselves. Let the US and Russia reduce their stockpiles. The truth is neither of you will. 🙂
Best would be if nobody had any, or, if there have to be, then let each regional bloc have them and let them be distributed equally (US, Russia (with the caveat that they don’t talk about them on tv all day), Israel, Poland-Ukraine, UK – Scandinavia, Japan, India, Pakistan, Norks, who ever in the south, etc). I’m sure you’re going to be fully content with that.
And, while you’re at it, be civilized like Israel – when Israel is asked, do you have nukes, they respond: “We don’t have nukes, but, if needed, we will use them”. They stay quiet about them.
If NATO is not to advance, then Russia needs to leave, too. Russia cannot decide how Eastern Europeans live in their own homes. We don’t dictate to Russians or Americans how they can or cannot live in their own homes, neither should they be able to. There is nothing that makes them superior human beings who should dictate to others.
If we go even further than that, then we should remember John Locke who believed that a human being belongs only to himself and God. This may not be what nationalists believe, but this is what the civilized world believes (and even many ethnonats would have no issue with this, if it is kept in balance with the interests of their nation).
The process of European unification after the unification of Germany was natural and made sense historically, politically, morally. Overall it has been a success and has benefitted everyone. If some kind of a similar solution would have been found for Ukraine and if there had been decolonization (from the USSR), then things may have turned out more peaceful (even with Russia choosing to not be democratic, but autocratic – although it appears that aggressive politics naturally arise from this type of autocracies, at least in Russia’s case).
https://www.amazon.com/House-Built-Sand-Conflicts-1939-1945/dp/0837182913
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/wlassow-verrater-oder-patriot-by-sven-steenberg-cologne-verlag-wissenschaft-und-politik-1968-256-pp-dm-18-vlasov-by-sven-steenberg-translated-from-the-german-by-abe-farbstein-new-york-alfred-a-knopf-1970-ix-241-pp-750/A8F0D29CBFB312C4653641D69CE39D71
https://www.amazon.com/Against-Stalin-Hitler-Liberation-1941-1945/dp/0381981851
https://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Soviet-Soldiers-Hitlers-Armies/dp/0151440859
Been in touch with one of the authors who wrote this book:
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/vlasov-and-the-russian-liberation-movement-soviet-reality-and-emigre-theories_catherine-andreyev/594135/#edition=7299939&idiq=10554836
In short, they were pro-Russian and anti-Communist, making them wary of Banderites and sovoks.Replies: @LatW
You met, in person, someone who had been a soldier in РОА? In USA or UK?
Yes I am a Buddhist, although a very mediocre one, given my residual attachment to religious teachings of my ancestors. I also still attach a lot of importance to the historical record of my ancestors, both their victories and their defeats, their achievements and their failures.
This is if course normal, as a I was influenced by my milieu. We all are. When I was around 14 years old I started reading the Bible, I found a lot of beauty in it, especially in the Book of the Ecclesiastes and I found the preaching of Jeremiah inspiring. But I was also perplexed by the Book of Job in which G-d behaves in an unethical manner towards a pious good man by letting Satan drag the man through a sea of suffering just to test his fidelity. It didn’t make sense for a good G-d to do such a thing and also to offer a completely loser explanation when asked for a reason, an explanation that amounts to “I know better and I do what I want”. The story of Abraham and Isaac (or Ishmael for the Muslim) didn’t make sense and the whole massacre of the Egyptian children was gross and demonic as was also the Book of Joshua with it’s “and he put them to the sword” leitmotiv.
Around the same time, I read the Gospels in their Russian translation (which is quite good). The message of the Gospels resonated with me, but the terrible suffering that Jesus was subjected to and him crying on the cross “Eli, Eli lama sabahtani…” before dying was quite shocking. Clearly, something didn’t go as planned, and yet Jesus arose from the dead, proving that his message was right. But his message has taken strange forms in the Christian thought. The concept of Trinity seemed strange and hard to fathom, especially that it led to much quarreling between the early Christians.
Nevertheless, I started praying, which was unusual for a kid back then in Moscow (it was still the Soviet times and religion was repressed). It was around that time that I happened to also read the first Buddhist sutras excerpts published in the Soviet periodical “Science and religion”. I also happened to find about the early Christian apocrypha, although I didn’t know much about it back then. It was around the final years of the Soviet Union and also my coming of age.
With the fall of the Soviet Union, the war in Chechnya and the Jewish involvement in the demise of Soviet system and mass emigration, a lot of questions began to arise in me about the interaction of Abrahamic religions and their history. I started to read about Islam, mainly Sufism and the history of Islamic civilization. I also started to read about Jewry, but it was mainly the antisemitic literature that was mass produced at the time and freely available in Moscow back then. Jews played a prominent and mostly negative role in these years in the FUSSR. I have known both persons of Muslim and Jewish ancestry since childhood among our neighbors and my family friends and relations. But they were Soviet people just like we were too. Now it was different, they weren’t Russian and some of them made it feel by being negative about Russians and Russia in general. It was a novel experience and not a pleasant one. At the same time my parents became somewhat more religious, especially my mother and we often went to the Church, going to which became attached with being Russian.
Then I happened to read the book by Daisetz Suzuki about Zen and it kind of made sense in a strange way: all humans are delusional, but they can awaken to the Real and transcend their deluded state and transcend suffering. In fact, the awakened mind is inherent into their fundamental nature of consciousness, they just forget about it and are always distracted with different stupid stuff (such as endlessly shitposting on Unz). Since then I became more and more interested and involved with Buddhism and I believe that it is slowly working its transformation in my consciousness. Or perhaps it is just me getting old.
Anyway, as the famous haiku has it:
O snail, climb Mt Fuji, but slowly, slowly…
Old habits die hard, but they still end up dying. Everything flows and passes away in the end…
🙂
And then G-d proceeds to tell Job's friends who had insisted that G-d would never punish someone who didn't deserve it that he will no longer accept any sacrifices from them, but from now on they had to do all their sacrifices through Job. I never had a problem with the Egyptian children thing but I agree that the genocides carried out in Numbers and in Joshua are stomach churning. That said, I doubt they actually happened so it doesn't really bother me. More likely it proves that Mark had a different theology and Christology than did the other Gospel writers. If that was your experience okay but the Russian Jews I've known have always been insanely proud of being "Russian" (which they aren't) and in 1990's and 2000's Israel, Soviet Jews were known for being fanatically thin skinned about anything they perceived as Russophobia (which was pretty much everything, they were the most sensitive group in history). Any native Israeli who got in any sort of altercation with a Russian Jewish immigrant was virtually guaranteed to be subjected to diatribe about how they are only alive because the Red Army saved them (the equivalent of when Americans tell Europeans, "If it weren't for me, you'd be speaking German"). During the war between Sharansky and Deri, the Russian Jews overwhelmingly sided with the non Jewish Russians against the Mizrahim.
Yeah I was into Buddhism for a while. You should check out the Hillside Hermitage channel. It's run by a Serbian Buddhist monk. I still watch their videos. I agree with Buddhism on some things and not on others.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry
In 1990, the intelligence agents Dugin and Zhrinovsky were used for the antisemitism projects. After 2014, they were used for the anti-Ukraine projects. I am from an epoch in Russia, where I still remember how positive we were supposed to feel about Ukrainians. The reversal in 2014 was very strange and "top down", but also many of us believed this.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Best would be if nobody had any, or, if there have to be, then let each regional bloc have them and let them be distributed equally (US, Russia (with the caveat that they don't talk about them on tv all day), Israel, Poland-Ukraine, UK - Scandinavia, Japan, India, Pakistan, Norks, who ever in the south, etc). I'm sure you're going to be fully content with that.
And, while you're at it, be civilized like Israel - when Israel is asked, do you have nukes, they respond: "We don't have nukes, but, if needed, we will use them". They stay quiet about them. If NATO is not to advance, then Russia needs to leave, too. Russia cannot decide how Eastern Europeans live in their own homes. We don't dictate to Russians or Americans how they can or cannot live in their own homes, neither should they be able to. There is nothing that makes them superior human beings who should dictate to others.
If we go even further than that, then we should remember John Locke who believed that a human being belongs only to himself and God. This may not be what nationalists believe, but this is what the civilized world believes (and even many ethnonats would have no issue with this, if it is kept in balance with the interests of their nation). The process of European unification after the unification of Germany was natural and made sense historically, politically, morally. Overall it has been a success and has benefitted everyone. If some kind of a similar solution would have been found for Ukraine and if there had been decolonization (from the USSR), then things may have turned out more peaceful (even with Russia choosing to not be democratic, but autocratic - although it appears that aggressive politics naturally arise from this type of autocracies, at least in Russia's case).Replies: @QCIC
It will be impossible to correct the many injustices if everyone is dead.
Putin offered joining NATO back in 2000 – 2001. They created a NATO – Russia joint council. He offered them the Ulyanovsk logistics’ hub to ease their occupation of Afghanistan.
It’s not about injustices. It’s about finding a stable consensus. It’s the Nordic principle of lagom (when the vikings passed the horn around and each had “just enough” of a sip so that everyone could have it). But, you see, some are greedy and thing they are special.
This means that we should expect no Russian counter offensive after Ukraine finally abandons their own. Earlier I had said that I expect a Russian operation to retake Kharkov but I no longer believe Russia has the strength to achieve that objective. I do think that Russia will launch small scale counter attacks to regain the parts of the grey zone that they had lost but I expect them to stay away from attempting any so called "big arrow" offensives.
The obvious problem with this strategy is what happens 2 years from now when a bigger, better trained, more experienced and better equipped UAF, operating this time with air cover, once again attempts a large scale offensive?Replies: @Mikhail
Not so easy to happen like that.
You’re going Intel on me eh? I said I knew s0me of them, in addition to having studied the POA.
GW
Regarding sanity, Sleboda over Kallas – not close.
https://www.rt.com/news/579411-estonia-prime-minister-nafo/
Just wanted to know if you knew them personally, met them or corresponded. Sorry, didn’t mean to pry.
This is if course normal, as a I was influenced by my milieu. We all are. When I was around 14 years old I started reading the Bible, I found a lot of beauty in it, especially in the Book of the Ecclesiastes and I found the preaching of Jeremiah inspiring. But I was also perplexed by the Book of Job in which G-d behaves in an unethical manner towards a pious good man by letting Satan drag the man through a sea of suffering just to test his fidelity. It didn't make sense for a good G-d to do such a thing and also to offer a completely loser explanation when asked for a reason, an explanation that amounts to "I know better and I do what I want". The story of Abraham and Isaac (or Ishmael for the Muslim) didn't make sense and the whole massacre of the Egyptian children was gross and demonic as was also the Book of Joshua with it's "and he put them to the sword" leitmotiv.
Around the same time, I read the Gospels in their Russian translation (which is quite good). The message of the Gospels resonated with me, but the terrible suffering that Jesus was subjected to and him crying on the cross "Eli, Eli lama sabahtani..." before dying was quite shocking. Clearly, something didn't go as planned, and yet Jesus arose from the dead, proving that his message was right. But his message has taken strange forms in the Christian thought. The concept of Trinity seemed strange and hard to fathom, especially that it led to much quarreling between the early Christians.
Nevertheless, I started praying, which was unusual for a kid back then in Moscow (it was still the Soviet times and religion was repressed). It was around that time that I happened to also read the first Buddhist sutras excerpts published in the Soviet periodical "Science and religion". I also happened to find about the early Christian apocrypha, although I didn't know much about it back then. It was around the final years of the Soviet Union and also my coming of age.
With the fall of the Soviet Union, the war in Chechnya and the Jewish involvement in the demise of Soviet system and mass emigration, a lot of questions began to arise in me about the interaction of Abrahamic religions and their history. I started to read about Islam, mainly Sufism and the history of Islamic civilization. I also started to read about Jewry, but it was mainly the antisemitic literature that was mass produced at the time and freely available in Moscow back then. Jews played a prominent and mostly negative role in these years in the FUSSR. I have known both persons of Muslim and Jewish ancestry since childhood among our neighbors and my family friends and relations. But they were Soviet people just like we were too. Now it was different, they weren't Russian and some of them made it feel by being negative about Russians and Russia in general. It was a novel experience and not a pleasant one. At the same time my parents became somewhat more religious, especially my mother and we often went to the Church, going to which became attached with being Russian.
Then I happened to read the book by Daisetz Suzuki about Zen and it kind of made sense in a strange way: all humans are delusional, but they can awaken to the Real and transcend their deluded state and transcend suffering. In fact, the awakened mind is inherent into their fundamental nature of consciousness, they just forget about it and are always distracted with different stupid stuff (such as endlessly shitposting on Unz). Since then I became more and more interested and involved with Buddhism and I believe that it is slowly working its transformation in my consciousness. Or perhaps it is just me getting old.
Anyway, as the famous haiku has it:
O snail, climb Mt Fuji, but slowly, slowly...
Old habits die hard, but they still end up dying. Everything flows and passes away in the end...
🙂Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry
That’s my favorite book! By far. To me, Job is the biggest hero in the entire Bible.
But the significant part of the story is how Job reacts to it. Job did not respond by repenting, he (correctly) felt that he had nothing to repent for. Instead he says, “I am comforted”. So while G-d’s explanation may have done nothing for you and me, Job seemed to get something out of it.
And then G-d proceeds to tell Job’s friends who had insisted that G-d would never punish someone who didn’t deserve it that he will no longer accept any sacrifices from them, but from now on they had to do all their sacrifices through Job.
I never had a problem with the Egyptian children thing but I agree that the genocides carried out in Numbers and in Joshua are stomach churning. That said, I doubt they actually happened so it doesn’t really bother me.
More likely it proves that Mark had a different theology and Christology than did the other Gospel writers.
If that was your experience okay but the Russian Jews I’ve known have always been insanely proud of being “Russian” (which they aren’t) and in 1990’s and 2000’s Israel, Soviet Jews were known for being fanatically thin skinned about anything they perceived as Russophobia (which was pretty much everything, they were the most sensitive group in history). Any native Israeli who got in any sort of altercation with a Russian Jewish immigrant was virtually guaranteed to be subjected to diatribe about how they are only alive because the Red Army saved them (the equivalent of when Americans tell Europeans, “If it weren’t for me, you’d be speaking German”). During the war between Sharansky and Deri, the Russian Jews overwhelmingly sided with the non Jewish Russians against the Mizrahim.
Yeah I was into Buddhism for a while. You should check out the Hillside Hermitage channel. It’s run by a Serbian Buddhist monk. I still watch their videos. I agree with Buddhism on some things and not on others.
why not?
Russians are well aware of how a frozen/semi-conflict allowing for an unchallenged Kiev regime military buildup can't happen again.
Say what you want about Sleboda. He has a point about how many in the collective West and Kiev regime bought into this idea that the offensive on Russian forces would go much better because the Russians aren't as well motivated and equipped as their adversary.
Mercouris again referenced a Kiev institute poll saying that over 60% of the population in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine know someone in the armed forces who has died. That figure was given before the current offensive.
This is for AP, Lat, Hack, XYZ, greaseball, JJ. Seriously, you will like it.
It is the most dishonest and bloodthirsty thing I have ever watched.
It is exactly why I am worried about nuclear war. I think his game has become more polished and he is happy to get us all killed.
From the purely military point of view he is correct. What he is saying roughly corresponds to what Roman Svetan (a Ukrainian hawk and an experienced airman) is sayin, too. It has been common knowledge for a long time that many of the Russian assets on Crimea could be taken out if a long range capability were to be provided. Alas, it hasn't been provided. That is probably the biggest geopolitical question of the moment - why not. This has been said over and over, that Crimea is a peninsula that can turn into an island very quickly. There is nothing new in this video.
He's correct that we (the EU, the West) were still very closely engaged with Russia even up to 2021. Very true. We were drinking champagne on the beach with them while Ukraine was suffering. Seriously, what does that say about us...
And of course he is absolutely correct about Kyiv not having built enough of their own weapons ("failure of deterrence"). This is what I alluded to in my post above - they had a missile program, they had Stugna, etc, etc. They should've built on that more systematically, with more effort. They had talent and the means, but they failed at the institutional level there and did not have enough of a sense of urgency about it (even though people such as Andriy Biletsky and other patriots very extremely vocal about it needing to be done asap!).
He is absolutely right about the politics of the Biden administration. "They do not say that they want Ukraine to win" - a 100% correct! Sullivan came up with all sorts of mysterious half way phrases such as "We do not want Ukraine to lose", etc etc. There is something going on in this administration. Probably something connected to Obama, Kerry. Maybe Clinton? Maybe something else, hard to say if it's purely ideological or something deeper. The only Ukraine friendly hawks are Austin and Blinken.
Look at the Twitter quote that Toly provided above from Kamil Galeev - very good quote!
One version - they fear Russia's demise not just because of its unpredictability and chaos it may bring (although the chaos may be contained within Russia) but also because they need Russia as leverage against other powers.
(Btw, the collapse of the Putin regime does not necessarily mean a collapse of the country, another regime - or the same elite, just regrouped, could come into its place and hold the country together, somehow negotiate their way out of this, if possible, and then continue on a similar, authoritarian route).
The other version - is what Arty Green voiced and that I described a couple of weeks ago in my convo with the poster S. That they are boiling the frog to bleed out the Russian forces so that the conditions ripen for political upheaval within Russia and that the regime collapses through that scenario - but under that scenario, Russia will be even more weakened and "chaoticized" that that would indeed cause danger to Russia's stability. This is an extremely cruel and cynical approach (not necessarily because of the regime change part but because of the scale of casualties that entails for both sides). But totally possible and the Russian government has chosen to continue on that route themselves because "the only thing worse than a war is losing a war" (they dread the vae victis). They're in a bind. This is absolutely tragic.
Look at this smart quote in answer to Kamil's quote, about the fear of the Biden administration:
"Such fear will not stop Russia collapsing but ensure tens of thousands preventable Ukrainian casualties. Actually, the faster Ukraine can win decisively, the higher the chances of current Putin mafia stabilising Russian regime. The longer it takes, the more hollowed out therefore will become, making ultimate uncontrollable failure more probable."
https://twitter.com/DrastikThomas/status/1677706548376633344Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC
About the Poles, the mid-war fate of their Prime Minister in Exile, Władysław_Sikorski, in US/UK custody at Gibraltar, should by itself have been enough to sour them on the Anglosphere. [Of course, that doesn't mean they had to embrace Russia, either, if they didn't wish to.]
It will be recalled that Sikorski was becoming quite 'inconvenient' by the summer of 1943 for both the US/UK and the Soviets, when the 'convenient' for the latter fatal airplane crash occurred removing Sikorski from the scene.
Sure, accidents happen, but so do political assassinations under cover of 'aerial mishaps'.
That it occurred on July 4th, both America's independence day and the anniversary date of the Battle of Klushino, in an American manufactured Liberator bomber, I find interesting.
Poland was effectively 'liberated' that day, and for a long time after, from their natural organic leadership and the organic Polish peoplehood Sikorski represented, imperfect as he may have been in that role.
If Sikorski's fatal Liberator crash was deliberate sabotage, maybe it was a joint US-UK/Soviet project, as both Capitalism and Communism as complimentary ideologies detest peoplehood, which is what Sikorski represented in his person.
Supposedly, there was a Soviet aircraft and crew at Gibraltar's air field that same day, in relative close proximity to Sikorski's Liberator.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_Sikorski
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_KlushinoReplies: @Wokechoke
Reminds me of the Lesley Howard “Ashley Wilkes” Blumberg-Steiner shoot down.
Luftwaffe popped a cap in his ass good and proper though.
Seems like Poland is doing diversity the right way by primarily choosing the less problematic groups as immigrants. (I’m also unsure that a majority of them would eventually move to Germany because Poland itself is rapidly becoming wealthy and should eventually become as wealthy as Germany is. There weren’t very many Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Somalis, et cetera in Scandinavia several decades ago but there are now!)
As a side note, has Anatoly Karlin ever considered that open borders could reduce the amount of smart fractions worldwide by making childrearing more expensive for smart people? After all, the countries in Latin America have some of the most notoriously dysgenic fertility, and a part of the reason for this could be the fact that in order to have a good life there, one often needs to live in a gated community, have private security, et cetera, all of which likely costs a lot of money. A good life in the West generally doesn’t require these things yet, though it might very well do so under an open borders regime. And network states first have to be built and then need to become sufficiently cheap for family planning to develop there on a huge scale.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/
https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/map-death-for-apostasy-in-islam-poll.png
And of course also seeking a lot of immigrants from mostly non-Muslim India is great, as well as some immigrants from the Philippines, Nepal, Vietnam, and Georgia, all of which are likewise overwhelmingly non-Muslim.
Tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity. 💯 You can move to low crime cities and areas.Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Seems like Poland is doing diversity the right way by primarily choosing the less problematic groups as immigrants. (I'm also unsure that a majority of them would eventually move to Germany because Poland itself is rapidly becoming wealthy and should eventually become as wealthy as Germany is. There weren't very many Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Somalis, et cetera in Scandinavia several decades ago but there are now!)
As a side note, has Anatoly Karlin ever considered that open borders could reduce the amount of smart fractions worldwide by making childrearing more expensive for smart people? After all, the countries in Latin America have some of the most notoriously dysgenic fertility, and a part of the reason for this could be the fact that in order to have a good life there, one often needs to live in a gated community, have private security, et cetera, all of which likely costs a lot of money. A good life in the West generally doesn't require these things yet, though it might very well do so under an open borders regime. And network states first have to be built and then need to become sufficiently cheap for family planning to develop there on a huge scale.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Anatoly Karlin
It does seem like the Muslim countries whom Poland seeks immigrants from are primarily the more moderate Muslim countries:
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/
And of course also seeking a lot of immigrants from mostly non-Muslim India is great, as well as some immigrants from the Philippines, Nepal, Vietnam, and Georgia, all of which are likewise overwhelmingly non-Muslim.
It is the most dishonest and bloodthirsty thing I have ever watched.
It is exactly why I am worried about nuclear war. I think his game has become more polished and he is happy to get us all killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuyDY3o-m9oReplies: @LatW, @Wokechoke
What exactly is your objection here? His confident, somewhat relaxed tone? Yes, this is a hawkish and aggressive position of a defendant of Pax Americana but it’s not illogical. Is it daring? Yes, this is how some of these military guys are. Especially because it is not going to be Americans who will get killed here.
From the purely military point of view he is correct. What he is saying roughly corresponds to what Roman Svetan (a Ukrainian hawk and an experienced airman) is sayin, too. It has been common knowledge for a long time that many of the Russian assets on Crimea could be taken out if a long range capability were to be provided. Alas, it hasn’t been provided. That is probably the biggest geopolitical question of the moment – why not. This has been said over and over, that Crimea is a peninsula that can turn into an island very quickly. There is nothing new in this video.
He’s correct that we (the EU, the West) were still very closely engaged with Russia even up to 2021. Very true. We were drinking champagne on the beach with them while Ukraine was suffering. Seriously, what does that say about us…
And of course he is absolutely correct about Kyiv not having built enough of their own weapons (“failure of deterrence”). This is what I alluded to in my post above – they had a missile program, they had Stugna, etc, etc. They should’ve built on that more systematically, with more effort. They had talent and the means, but they failed at the institutional level there and did not have enough of a sense of urgency about it (even though people such as Andriy Biletsky and other patriots very extremely vocal about it needing to be done asap!).
He is absolutely right about the politics of the Biden administration. “They do not say that they want Ukraine to win” – a 100% correct! Sullivan came up with all sorts of mysterious half way phrases such as “We do not want Ukraine to lose”, etc etc. There is something going on in this administration. Probably something connected to Obama, Kerry. Maybe Clinton? Maybe something else, hard to say if it’s purely ideological or something deeper. The only Ukraine friendly hawks are Austin and Blinken.
Look at the Twitter quote that Toly provided above from Kamil Galeev – very good quote!
One version – they fear Russia’s demise not just because of its unpredictability and chaos it may bring (although the chaos may be contained within Russia) but also because they need Russia as leverage against other powers.
(Btw, the collapse of the Putin regime does not necessarily mean a collapse of the country, another regime – or the same elite, just regrouped, could come into its place and hold the country together, somehow negotiate their way out of this, if possible, and then continue on a similar, authoritarian route).
The other version – is what Arty Green voiced and that I described a couple of weeks ago in my convo with the poster S. That they are boiling the frog to bleed out the Russian forces so that the conditions ripen for political upheaval within Russia and that the regime collapses through that scenario – but under that scenario, Russia will be even more weakened and “chaoticized” that that would indeed cause danger to Russia’s stability. This is an extremely cruel and cynical approach (not necessarily because of the regime change part but because of the scale of casualties that entails for both sides). But totally possible and the Russian government has chosen to continue on that route themselves because “the only thing worse than a war is losing a war” (they dread the vae victis). They’re in a bind. This is absolutely tragic.
Look at this smart quote in answer to Kamil’s quote, about the fear of the Biden administration:
“Such fear will not stop Russia collapsing but ensure tens of thousands preventable Ukrainian casualties. Actually, the faster Ukraine can win decisively, the higher the chances of current Putin mafia stabilising Russian regime. The longer it takes, the more hollowed out therefore will become, making ultimate uncontrollable failure more probable.”
Why in the hell are you promoting escalation?Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW
I imagine some military experts view Russia in Ukraine as a cat playing with a mouse, toying with the prey instead of killing it quickly. I am not military or a military expert, but I see it differently. Russia has the power to crush Ukraine militarily, but leaving the country as a pile of smoking rubble is not what she wants. There seems to be a dream of neutralizing the big-picture Western threat associated with Ukraine while still preserving some slavic brotherhood. This is an almost impossible compromise but Putin has been willing to risk it. A side effect of this plan is that it makes Russia look weak (maskirovka) and allows this war to continue slowly. That pace allows Russia to clean out as many highly dangerous Nationalist elements as possible while also allowing Russia to continue building military strength. The West probably likes the slow war because the bean counters believe it is gradually bleeding Russia economically. From this perspective the West is being patient to allow the sanctions to do their work.
The escalation promoted by bad souls like Hodges will probably lead to Russia switching to a different style of warfare. If Russia needs to step up the pace, she can simply start heavy aerial bombing of cities. People have wondered why this hasn't happened, since it was an essential part of Western campaigns in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Serbia. Russia hasn't done so because it combines attacks on militarily important infrastructure with large scale killing of civilians penned up in cities. They have not been prevented by the moderate Ukrainian air defenses or air force. If Hodges has his way, Russia could be forced into destroying major cities and probably quickly.
For Russia the acceptability of this option has actually increased over time. Initially they didn't really want to do it. They also would have incurred serious aircraft losses taking out air defenses. Most importantly, early in the war many Russian citizens would hate it, so the fifth columns would have a lot of angst to work with. By now a lot more people in Russia realize that some countries in the West really do want to crush Russia. These people recognize what this would mean for the lives of Russian citizens caught in that process. So at some point soon, many people may stand up and say, why are we saving these fools in Kiev and putting our lives and civilization at risk? Then we may see VVS (Russian Air Force) take the gloves off. The strikes up to now have been modest. If the Russian air force implements serious bombing strikes a lot of Ukrainian civilians will be killed. Last year, many Russians would have said "Kremlin bad". Now they may say, "Good riddance".
War is all about unleashing the monster inside humanity. This is a very dangerous game in the modern world.
If the West decides to respond aggressively to this style of air warfare instead of calling off this bloody debacle, tactical nuclear weapons might be next up on the menu for Russia.Replies: @sudden death, @Beckow, @LatW
It’s about who is better at playing the long game for lack of a better term. The collective West is showing signs of Ukraine fatigue. The Kiev regime had their jollies over the attempted Prigozhin mutiny on account of how that manner is more likely to happen in their (Kiev regime) circles. They’re taking a severe beating on the battle field.
Russians are well aware of how a frozen/semi-conflict allowing for an unchallenged Kiev regime military buildup can’t happen again.
Say what you want about Sleboda. He has a point about how many in the collective West and Kiev regime bought into this idea that the offensive on Russian forces would go much better because the Russians aren’t as well motivated and equipped as their adversary.
Mercouris again referenced a Kiev institute poll saying that over 60% of the population in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine know someone in the armed forces who has died. That figure was given before the current offensive.
The nature of the initial Russian assault proves that this is what Russia's leaders assumed - they sent a bunch of riot police to Kiev to establish order for the new pro-Russian leader they hoped to install fairly quickly and bloodlessly. Elite paratroopers would be sufficient for such a quick operation. Instead, the riot police and paratroopers were slaughtered. Do you understand that no country has a right to demand red lines within the borders of another country? That doing so is already an act of aggression? If Mexico demanded a red line that Spanish be made a second official language in the Southwest, this would be an act of aggression by Mexico.
Russia initiated aggression by claiming red lines within Ukraine's borders. Then attacked. So you claim.
But you support Russian aggression. You claim that it is necessary to kill all the Ukrainians who oppose Russian rule (about 90% of them) so that only the ones willing to acquiesce remain. That's more people murdered than the Nazis or Stalin killed. You even indicated it might be a good idea to nuke Western Ukraine.
You are a bloodthirsty monster, eager for the deaths of tens of millions, hiding behind your keyboard.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
As a side note, I find it just stupendous that Russians embraced the logic that attacking another country was going to strengthen them. Why? Because Russians themselves have previously severely suffered when another country (Nazi Germany) embraced similar logic: As in, that Nazi Germany needs to attack other countries so that it can get more Lebensraum and natural resources and thus be capable of sustaining a much larger population and becoming a superpower. And just like with Ukraine, Nazi Germany likewise thought that its own invasion of the Soviet Union was going to be a cakewalk. And to be fair, Nazi Germany wasn’t entirely deluded in this belief without the benefit of hindsight: The Soviets performed rather poorly against Finland in 1939-1940, while the Nazis were able to defeat and conquer France in six weeks (and to defeat and conquer Poland in a similar timeframe before that).
Had WWII never occurred, Russia today would have had a population of 200-210 million instead of only 150 million. Also, Russia’s odds of permanently keeping or at least eventually regathering Ukraine and Belarus after a hypothetical Soviet collapse would have been much higher since Ukraine would not have invaded Galicia and Volhynia in this scenario, thus meaning considerably less pro-Western voters within Ukraine.
All of this just shows that karma is a bitch and that the same logic that Nazi Germany previously used to inflict a lot of cruelty on Russians (and Ukrainians, and Belarusians, and Kazakhs, et cetera) was previously used, in a much milder form, by Russia to inflict a lot of cruelty on Ukrainians. Russians didn’t properly learn their history!
Everyone in the West expected that. They spent months promising that they would retake Crimea. Instead they will maybe retake Bakhmut and then just a bunch of lies about how the exchange rate supposedly dramatically favored them (the Ukrainians).
I don’t see any way Russia can stop Ukraine from rearming other than mobilizing fully, which Putin will never do.
Time will tell.Replies: @Sean
Too many pucks to the head syndrome:
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/dominik-hasek-olympic-paris-russia-1.6899765
What the likes of him duck:
https://www.eurasiareview.com/05072023-cancel-the-2024-paris-summer-olympics-idea-oped/
Interestingly enough, in its quest to solve its own security problem starting from 2014 onward, Russia failed to look at Ukraine's security problem.Replies: @Sean
This is going to sound rather strange, but the greatest minds of Western Europe had thought the Soviet continental command economy would be too dynamic and bring under its sway the countries of Western Europe, so they had to unite over-against the Soviet economic growth threat. It was always agreed right from the begining of the EU that the USSR could never join; the core of the Soviet Union that immerged as RusFed was treated no differently.
Yeltsin told Western diplomats in 1993 that Russia had “no objection” to Poland and the Czech Republic joining NATO; his goal was to to get Russia into Nato and he was given to understand there was no objection in principle; so once RusFed satisfied the criteria in the fullness of time the process could begin. Although railing at NATO expansion for domestic political optics when running for re-election, he continued taking a relaxed view of the incorporation of former Warsaw Pact countries, being receptive to the placatory influence of Bill Clinton, however the attitude of his subordinates was uniformly different. In 1997 Victor ‘We wanted the best, but it turned out like always’ Chernomyrdin, a simple man who was Yelsin’s Prime Minister, told British leader John Major that the situation being created was unstable and in the future likely to lead to the countries of NATO being identified by the Kremlin as Russia’s enemies. Nothing could be done against those already in NATO of course because they had the Article Five collective defence guarantee backed by the US. Had Bush succeeded in getting Ukraine instantly inducted as a full member of NATO in 2008, Russia would have been presented with a fait accompli, and in all likelihood done nothing except fulminate, but that was not certain and so Germany and France declined to accept the immediate addition of Ukraine to the ranks of those they would have an Article Five obligations to fight alongside.
The appalling history of Eastern Europe was due to its location near to Russia while Russia was fighting or preparing to fight Germany; hence although the worst of things things had happened to the region, they had been done to it because Russia was an ally of the West against Germany, which had zero appetite for round three with Russia. The reason for the historical insecurity of countries east of Germany had ceased to apply by the time they joined NATO, yet a state not joining the Washington alliance though nonetheless participating in the interoperability program for military cooperation with NATO without a deterring Chapter Five guarantee of direct help in a war–as Ukraine did–was creating a new danger to itself by appearing to the Kremlin as as a threat to Russian security while still being only a medium sized country without nuclear weapons or allies willing to actually fight on its side. Given Russia’s resources and propinquity, the Kremlin would be likely to conclude that even in a worse case scenario, if they invaded Ukraine, RusFed would, at however great a cost and blunderingly, eventually triumph. And that is what seems to have informed the decision of Putin in early 2022. Whether the Russians will win by their particular understanding of victory which incorporates tremendous loss and suffering by them remains to be seen.
I don't see any way Russia can stop Ukraine from rearming other than mobilizing fully, which Putin will never do.Replies: @Mikhail
I stand by what I said previously. It’ll be easier for the West to change course given that Biden, Macron, the mediocrites at best in the UK and Germany are on borrowed time. As for Kiev regime controlled Ukraine, a good portion of the population will recall that Zelensky’s landslide win over Porsoshenko was against what Zelensky then adopted, with horrible consequences for Ukraine.
Time will tell.
Zelensky's problem now is
the WestWashington having said Russia can not be allowed to succeed does not want to incur the lose of prestige that would go with Ukraine clearly losing, yet is very chary about giving Ukraine the most effective weapons in a timely way out of an unacknowledged fear of what the Russians might do when pushed, as they would see it, into a corner; this American worry is prolly stoked by secret intel from surveillance on the latest Russian contingency planning.Replies: @BeckowSeems like Poland is doing diversity the right way by primarily choosing the less problematic groups as immigrants. (I'm also unsure that a majority of them would eventually move to Germany because Poland itself is rapidly becoming wealthy and should eventually become as wealthy as Germany is. There weren't very many Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Somalis, et cetera in Scandinavia several decades ago but there are now!)
As a side note, has Anatoly Karlin ever considered that open borders could reduce the amount of smart fractions worldwide by making childrearing more expensive for smart people? After all, the countries in Latin America have some of the most notoriously dysgenic fertility, and a part of the reason for this could be the fact that in order to have a good life there, one often needs to live in a gated community, have private security, et cetera, all of which likely costs a lot of money. A good life in the West generally doesn't require these things yet, though it might very well do so under an open borders regime. And network states first have to be built and then need to become sufficiently cheap for family planning to develop there on a huge scale.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Anatoly Karlin
Oh, by the way, Uzbeki women can be absolutely delightful. And the educated ones are an asset. I’m not saying this to encourage them coming to Europe (or leaving Uzbekistan for that matter), but this has been my superficial impression. And, of course, Kazakhs are great.
Really, I'm comfortable with any liberal and secular Muslims who want to come to the West. It would be much easier for them to try reforming their religion in the West instead of doing so back at home where they are likely to get jailed and/or murdered for this sooner or later.Replies: @LatW
I’d be fine with them coming to Europe (and the Anglosphere), to be honest. Soviet secularization has significantly improved them relative to their ancestors, most likely. Though would have been much better without the Soviet mass murder and extremely severe famines.
Really, I’m comfortable with any liberal and secular Muslims who want to come to the West. It would be much easier for them to try reforming their religion in the West instead of doing so back at home where they are likely to get jailed and/or murdered for this sooner or later.
YHWH and Adonai are two different gods.
Adonai is Baal is Osiris is Sarapis … a god with a thousand faces.
Judaism nowadays worships Baal under the cover of the nominal worship of YHWH. Nevertheless, Jews scream Adonai willingly, and clearly are afraid to pronounce “YHWH”.
No wonder Holocaust happened to Jews – human sacrifice is an essential element of the cult of Baal.
Time will tell.Replies: @Sean
Zelensky campaigned saying he was going to get back Ukraine’s occupied territories, but he was vague about exactly how. I don’t think he planned on doing it by getting into a war while backed to the hilt by the entire West but that would give him a chance of getting back Crimea.
Zelensky’s problem now is
the WestWashington having said Russia can not be allowed to succeed does not want to incur the lose of prestige that would go with Ukraine clearly losing, yet is very chary about giving Ukraine the most effective weapons in a timely way out of an unacknowledged fear of what the Russians might do when pushed, as they would see it, into a corner; this American worry is prolly stoked by secret intel from surveillance on the latest Russian contingency planning.You can’t say that YHWH/Allah is amoral. That he renounces other gods, doesn’t make him amoral even if self-centred and jealous. In fact, this renunciation is a kind of affirmation of his own ethics, and the renunciation of moral system of Baal (which included the human sacrifice of tophet, “the first born belongs to the Lord” etc).
Really, I'm comfortable with any liberal and secular Muslims who want to come to the West. It would be much easier for them to try reforming their religion in the West instead of doing so back at home where they are likely to get jailed and/or murdered for this sooner or later.Replies: @LatW
Yea, I noticed there are some quite attractive people there. But I would feel bad stripping those countries of their people, especially youth (and especially young women). That’s not really fair to them.
The population is still growing in Uzbekistan (by 2% annually) which is quite intensive. So maybe population loss would not be an issue for them (although the growth could slow down in the future and they’d be left with a non-ideal population structure at some point). They could also be stripped of their young women by China, because China will soon need a lot of nurses for their elderly.
And if they will have a water crisis, then they should be helped – we in the North will have freshwater resources for a long time to come. However, I’m not encouraging their influx into the EE (but I do like them as people). How is their work ethic?
Also the Chinese are pretty racist, so this racism will only reinforce chain immigration in such a case.Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ
BTW, I don't believe that countries own their people. Thus, if other countries have better opportunities for their people, then they should have an opportunity to move there assuming that they're actually culturally compatible there. But I also support voluntary neo-colonialism to help the Third World develop to compensate them for their brain drain, if that is something that the Third World itself will actually want.
No, Uzbekistan – as the entire Fergana Valley – is the land of cousin marriage, so if the young women travel to China, soon the chain immigration will follow.
https://iwpr.net/global-voices/close-kin-marriages-still-widespread-uzbekistan
Also the Chinese are pretty racist, so this racism will only reinforce chain immigration in such a case.
I generally take a libertarian approach to such questions, but cousin marriage in the Muslim world is a really severe problem.
Also the Chinese are pretty racist, so this racism will only reinforce chain immigration in such a case.Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ
I’m assuming the ones who arrive in Poland are mostly dudes. Do you know if they are coming alone or do they bring the whole family? I’m assuming many of them will go back home when they want to get married. What language do they use to communicate – Russian or English? Some of the younger ones who went to Russia, have very poor Russian. Do you think they will learn Polish at some point?
30K per year is not that much for the whole country, but if that’s the number every year then in 10 years you get 300K along with their families potentially (and along with all the other groups who arrive).
They communicated in Russian mainly. It actually limited their earning potential - they had to rely on Poles as their co-operators (it was Uzbek restaurant). The Poles hired Ukrainians as "Uzbek" cooks ;)Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
The Uzbek immigrants – men – I happened to know in Poland – went back to Uzbekistan.
They communicated in Russian mainly. It actually limited their earning potential – they had to rely on Poles as their co-operators (it was Uzbek restaurant). The Poles hired Ukrainians as “Uzbek” cooks 😉
Clearly the market for ethnic food in Poland is limited.I also don't see why young men would yearn to set up families. Men are not women, you substitute here female mindset for male one : men do not dream about weddings like women.
This is also not a pattern of Polish immigration at least - no one comes back to Poland to set up a family, maybe to rear a family in Poland, yes, but to find a husband or wife - no one.For foreigners not in a high end industry like IT, rearing a family in Poland is extremely hard due to extremely harsh housing market in Poland (a country with lowest number of square meters per inhabitant in EU), which is harsh enough for Poles themselves. Moreover, even if you are a citizen, your spouse does not get automatically a citizenship - she must go through tiresome process of tests again.Immigrants working in low end industries in Poland live like 10 people per 40 square meters in big cities where work is.Replies: @LatW
They communicated in Russian mainly. It actually limited their earning potential - they had to rely on Poles as their co-operators (it was Uzbek restaurant). The Poles hired Ukrainians as "Uzbek" cooks ;)Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
I also knew a Mongolian restaurant which failed to make money and closed after a year of activity. The Mongolian owner, who actually spoke decent English, went back to Mongolia (before covid).
Clearly the market for ethnic food in Poland is limited.
I also don’t see why young men would yearn to set up families. Men are not women, you substitute here female mindset for male one : men do not dream about weddings like women.
This is also not a pattern of Polish immigration at least – no one comes back to Poland to set up a family, maybe to rear a family in Poland, yes, but to find a husband or wife – no one.
For foreigners not in a high end industry like IT, rearing a family in Poland is extremely hard due to extremely harsh housing market in Poland (a country with lowest number of square meters per inhabitant in EU), which is harsh enough for Poles themselves. Moreover, even if you are a citizen, your spouse does not get automatically a citizenship – she must go through tiresome process of tests again.
Immigrants working in low end industries in Poland live like 10 people per 40 square meters in big cities where work is.
Clearly the market for ethnic food in Poland is limited.I also don't see why young men would yearn to set up families. Men are not women, you substitute here female mindset for male one : men do not dream about weddings like women.
This is also not a pattern of Polish immigration at least - no one comes back to Poland to set up a family, maybe to rear a family in Poland, yes, but to find a husband or wife - no one.For foreigners not in a high end industry like IT, rearing a family in Poland is extremely hard due to extremely harsh housing market in Poland (a country with lowest number of square meters per inhabitant in EU), which is harsh enough for Poles themselves. Moreover, even if you are a citizen, your spouse does not get automatically a citizenship - she must go through tiresome process of tests again.Immigrants working in low end industries in Poland live like 10 people per 40 square meters in big cities where work is.Replies: @LatW
What I meant was they probably go back home to get married when they are ready or when they feel like they’ve made enough money as opposed to settling in Poland or bringing a wife from the home country.
Now I feel like having plov. 🙂
And then G-d proceeds to tell Job's friends who had insisted that G-d would never punish someone who didn't deserve it that he will no longer accept any sacrifices from them, but from now on they had to do all their sacrifices through Job. I never had a problem with the Egyptian children thing but I agree that the genocides carried out in Numbers and in Joshua are stomach churning. That said, I doubt they actually happened so it doesn't really bother me. More likely it proves that Mark had a different theology and Christology than did the other Gospel writers. If that was your experience okay but the Russian Jews I've known have always been insanely proud of being "Russian" (which they aren't) and in 1990's and 2000's Israel, Soviet Jews were known for being fanatically thin skinned about anything they perceived as Russophobia (which was pretty much everything, they were the most sensitive group in history). Any native Israeli who got in any sort of altercation with a Russian Jewish immigrant was virtually guaranteed to be subjected to diatribe about how they are only alive because the Red Army saved them (the equivalent of when Americans tell Europeans, "If it weren't for me, you'd be speaking German"). During the war between Sharansky and Deri, the Russian Jews overwhelmingly sided with the non Jewish Russians against the Mizrahim.
Yeah I was into Buddhism for a while. You should check out the Hillside Hermitage channel. It's run by a Serbian Buddhist monk. I still watch their videos. I agree with Buddhism on some things and not on others.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry
Just looked it up, looks interesting. Thai Forest Tradition is great. Interestingly, they arrive at the same results that Zen practitioners do, which strongly suggest that it is directly linked with “inbuilt” (for a lack of a better word) characteristics of the mind and not the meditation technique itself or the “philosophical” approach (which are somewhat different between these two branches of Buddhism).
Poland is arming for self-defense. It would be idiotic not to, after February 2022 (and given the overall security situation, granted the situation could improve after the war, but not become fully satisfactory, there will be a Cold War for many years to come, probably decades).
Poland will not deliberately "go to war with RusFed". If RusFed continues to strike Western Ukraine, air defense will be added (there is already air defense at work but it doesn't catch every missile, the strikes such as the one that happened the other day in Lviv could be much, much worse if most of the missiles did not get intercepted).
We need to put a little bit of realism into this kind of talk. Yes, there is danger and risks, but RusFed can barely fight a war in Ukraine, you imagine RusFed starting a war with Poland (and thus NATO)? Poland is not going to touch the enclave. I mean, are you even aware of the deployment of troops in various RusFed geographies? There are some troops in the enclave and of course missiles, but troops have been moved from places such as Pskov to be sent to Ukraine.
If Russia made a move on Poland, there would immediately be German and Nordic troops there, British and American. The full rage of Europe would fall upon Russia.
RusFed doesn't have the resources to do it right now. Will they have the resources in 20 years? Maybe yes, maybe no. We're not going to wait that long but are going to arm ourselves.
P.s. Karaganov drinks. That doesn't mean the nuclear threat is not there, but it's still something of note. When you drink for many years, your brain gets affected eventually.Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Sean
Khrushchev terrified the West because he was a drinker no telling what he might do on a binge. As is well known the perma inebriated Yeltsin had the nuclear codes out and wavered about whether to start WW3 over what seemed to the Russians to be the beginnings of a US surprise attack but turned out to be a Norwegian weather research rocket.
Putin does not drink but all he can say is we must give it a better try and beat Ukraine, to which his generals might well say’ we are trying but we just can’t do it’. The surviving senior generals knowledge they are personally targeted as long as the war goes on (I speak of the missile assassination campaign against them restarted with Storm Shadow greater range and capabilities against the hardened bunker that Russian command and control hubs are now in) is unlikely to make them less likely to request use of nuclear weapons were Ukraine to drive Russia back. Token use of nukes by Russia in Ukraine to make the West take fright and close the war down a la the Korean conflict without a Russian withdrawal to their start lines, may actually be the safest thing for those generals, especially if as may be happening, ATACMS is given to Ukraine.
Wonder if Barbarossa ever heard this old triad:
The three great hands are the hand of a carpenter, the hand of a smith, and the hoof of an ox.
Recently also learned that people would feed holly to cattle in winter. Years ago, I read of some poor tenant farmer being jailed for cutting the holly from some rich landlord’s wood, and it had puzzled me why he had done it.
Now, don't get me wrong , Augustine was an outstanding individual, but I wouldn't base my opinions about the Diatessaron on his views.
And yeah, the main fault of Tatian in the eyes of the Roman theologians, seems him being from a country that fell under Sasanian control and him being a vocal critic of the Greek. Anyway, he was a pupil of Justin Martyr that was the earliest notable among the Christian philosophers. Justin has never denounced him as heretical and the Diatessaron was in use by the Syriac and Coptic Churches well into the Middle Ages. Therefore, I would judge it only when I finish it.
Regarding Kosmas Indicopleustes, what is interesting is not that he sailed to India, many did - the trade was quite vigorous between the Hellenistic Middle East and Sri Lanka/Hindustan, but the fact that some aspects of his Christian Topography are distinctly Buddhist. But so is also the Byzantine legend of Barlaam and Josaphat, which drew upon the life of Siddhartha Gautama to create a Christian myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlaam_and_JosaphatReplies: @Mr. Hack
Fascinating!
And then G-d proceeds to tell Job's friends who had insisted that G-d would never punish someone who didn't deserve it that he will no longer accept any sacrifices from them, but from now on they had to do all their sacrifices through Job. I never had a problem with the Egyptian children thing but I agree that the genocides carried out in Numbers and in Joshua are stomach churning. That said, I doubt they actually happened so it doesn't really bother me. More likely it proves that Mark had a different theology and Christology than did the other Gospel writers. If that was your experience okay but the Russian Jews I've known have always been insanely proud of being "Russian" (which they aren't) and in 1990's and 2000's Israel, Soviet Jews were known for being fanatically thin skinned about anything they perceived as Russophobia (which was pretty much everything, they were the most sensitive group in history). Any native Israeli who got in any sort of altercation with a Russian Jewish immigrant was virtually guaranteed to be subjected to diatribe about how they are only alive because the Red Army saved them (the equivalent of when Americans tell Europeans, "If it weren't for me, you'd be speaking German"). During the war between Sharansky and Deri, the Russian Jews overwhelmingly sided with the non Jewish Russians against the Mizrahim.
Yeah I was into Buddhism for a while. You should check out the Hillside Hermitage channel. It's run by a Serbian Buddhist monk. I still watch their videos. I agree with Buddhism on some things and not on others.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry
The best commentary is Maimonedes. Job was kind, honest, &c. Nowhere does anybody describe Job as clever!
That is like the zeroth commandment–don’t act stupid; balances the the eleventh–don’t get caught.
Generally been skeptical of the whole Sally Hemmings thing, but I wonder how many know about this controversy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycerate
Guess not the breed to use for cutting the grass, in the ex-Soviet space.
BTW, some believe four-horned goats were originally propagated to make combs out of their horns. Not sure about sheep, but seems probable.
From the purely military point of view he is correct. What he is saying roughly corresponds to what Roman Svetan (a Ukrainian hawk and an experienced airman) is sayin, too. It has been common knowledge for a long time that many of the Russian assets on Crimea could be taken out if a long range capability were to be provided. Alas, it hasn't been provided. That is probably the biggest geopolitical question of the moment - why not. This has been said over and over, that Crimea is a peninsula that can turn into an island very quickly. There is nothing new in this video.
He's correct that we (the EU, the West) were still very closely engaged with Russia even up to 2021. Very true. We were drinking champagne on the beach with them while Ukraine was suffering. Seriously, what does that say about us...
And of course he is absolutely correct about Kyiv not having built enough of their own weapons ("failure of deterrence"). This is what I alluded to in my post above - they had a missile program, they had Stugna, etc, etc. They should've built on that more systematically, with more effort. They had talent and the means, but they failed at the institutional level there and did not have enough of a sense of urgency about it (even though people such as Andriy Biletsky and other patriots very extremely vocal about it needing to be done asap!).
He is absolutely right about the politics of the Biden administration. "They do not say that they want Ukraine to win" - a 100% correct! Sullivan came up with all sorts of mysterious half way phrases such as "We do not want Ukraine to lose", etc etc. There is something going on in this administration. Probably something connected to Obama, Kerry. Maybe Clinton? Maybe something else, hard to say if it's purely ideological or something deeper. The only Ukraine friendly hawks are Austin and Blinken.
Look at the Twitter quote that Toly provided above from Kamil Galeev - very good quote!
One version - they fear Russia's demise not just because of its unpredictability and chaos it may bring (although the chaos may be contained within Russia) but also because they need Russia as leverage against other powers.
(Btw, the collapse of the Putin regime does not necessarily mean a collapse of the country, another regime - or the same elite, just regrouped, could come into its place and hold the country together, somehow negotiate their way out of this, if possible, and then continue on a similar, authoritarian route).
The other version - is what Arty Green voiced and that I described a couple of weeks ago in my convo with the poster S. That they are boiling the frog to bleed out the Russian forces so that the conditions ripen for political upheaval within Russia and that the regime collapses through that scenario - but under that scenario, Russia will be even more weakened and "chaoticized" that that would indeed cause danger to Russia's stability. This is an extremely cruel and cynical approach (not necessarily because of the regime change part but because of the scale of casualties that entails for both sides). But totally possible and the Russian government has chosen to continue on that route themselves because "the only thing worse than a war is losing a war" (they dread the vae victis). They're in a bind. This is absolutely tragic.
Look at this smart quote in answer to Kamil's quote, about the fear of the Biden administration:
"Such fear will not stop Russia collapsing but ensure tens of thousands preventable Ukrainian casualties. Actually, the faster Ukraine can win decisively, the higher the chances of current Putin mafia stabilising Russian regime. The longer it takes, the more hollowed out therefore will become, making ultimate uncontrollable failure more probable."
https://twitter.com/DrastikThomas/status/1677706548376633344Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC
Kiev is a city that can be turned into a graveyard very quickly.
Why in the hell are you promoting escalation?
The historical truth is that the Oikumene was very much interconnected, it was a World-System. In my view there were three (partial) Globalizations: the Bronze Age, the Classical Antiquity and ours that is currently unfolding.
Each of these phases of the evolution of human civilization, was marked by an active exchange of ideas as well as goods and wealth. In Classical Antiquity, the Greek and Semitic ideas influenced the Indian Civilization (which at the time was under the Buddhist dominance), while the Indian influence also affected the Hellenistic and Semitic cultures that ended up blended into one in Christianity.
It is not surprising that there are traces of contact to be found, if and when one looks into it, the opposite would be surprising, that is finding a proof that no contact occurred. But we know that it occurred and was quite a protracted one. For example, the first Stupa on Ceylon was built by an Ionian Greek Buddhist master, Buddhist artifacts were found in Egypt, the presence of Indian ascetics (sannyasins, shramana) is attested in Alexandria, southern Arabia, Mesopotamia, and of course the Syriac, Greek and Jewish diasporas were present all along the two branches of the overland Silk Road, with the Jewish Radhanite merchants still traveling the northern part of the Silk Road in the Charlemagne’s time.
What I believe happened, was a metaphysical “cross-pollination” of the myths leading to novel memetic structures. A place where it could have occurred with a strong probability is of course Alexandria. And it would make sense that it was there that Jesus grew up after his parents migration to Egypt. Alexandria was 40% Jewish at the time.
I believe Celsus when he writes that Jesus joined some mystical brotherhood there and “learned magic”. The presence of the Therapeutae sect is attested in the vicinity of Alexandria in the time of Jesus, they were sometimes described as a proto-Christian monastic community, but there is also the hypothesis that they were practicing a syncretic Jewish doctrine that was somewhat influenced by Buddhism.
Celsus writes that Jesus taught his apostles the “shameful act of begging”. Buddhist monks had begging as their daily routine, it is literally part of the religious activity. No other Jewish community at the time had celibacy, wandering and begging as their normative behavior, early apostolic Christians and Buddhists did.
Regarding St Thomas:
http://gnosis.org/library/actthom.htm
Thus, the Malabar Church was Hindu or Indian in culture, Christian in religion, and Judeo-Syriac-Oriental in terms of origin and worship.[28]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Palayur_Church.jpg
Interior of the Palayur Church, one of the oldest Christian church in India and one of the seven founded by St. Thomas the Apostle in 52 AD.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Why in the hell are you promoting escalation?Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW
Latvian riflemen during Russian Civil War, Latvian Waffen SS and concentration camp capos during WW2 were known for their relentless and brutal efficiency. There is something about these people that sometimes makes them extremists. It is a peculiar kind of extremism, a calm and rational one.
Nowadays Latvians believe that to ensure their future safety and prosperity, Russia must be destroyed or at least degraded. LatW has previously written that she is at war, an undeclared war that Latvia is already waging on RusFed. She sees herself as somehow being part of the war effort.
The fact that this war could end up making the Intermarium into a radioactive desert, doesn’t stop her because she thinks that Russians would not use nuclear weapons even if they lose the war in Ukraine. She thinks that Russians are weak and would back off if pressed hard enough.
So every time a high ranking Noviop says explicitly that they will use nukes, LatW dismisses it as just drunk talk or empty posturing. I hope she (and also AP and sudden death) are right, but I doubt it. Russians can be ruthless when pressed into their final entrenchements and they have the feeling that NATO was slowly, but surely pressing them for the last 30 years, that they have been manipulated and lied to by the Globalized West, and that there is no end in sight to this new Drang nach Osten.
It might end up very badly for all parties involved.
I hope peace prevails instead.
Meanwhile the aforementioned pure career criminal Prigozhin earlier publicly was agitating against the use of nukes, because of such type drunken neighbouring fights with UA;)
Medvedev went silent roughly about for a week after this, but now returned to the usual programming of "non-criminal" bloviating about blowing up everybody and everything;)Replies: @Ivashka the fool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DqNaY2-lg
Finished watching the old Noble House (1988) miniseries.
But it does definitely have a similar vibe, promoting the idea that Chinese culture is alien and almost unknowable.
Did learn one thing: Portuguese tried to give Macau back after Salazar, and the Chinese would not accept.
Definitely a time capsule aspect to it, since one big theme is the upcoming handover of HK in 1997.
Don’t want to accuse it of being pozzed because it seems very politically incorrect by modern standards, but one character seems to promote girl power in the corporate world. The emigration to the US of another seems likely by the end.
It is weird to see all the high-stakes drama over what, probably due to inflation, seem like small sums today, or at least for a high-profile businessman.
The wok fire was extremely amusing.
Wonder if Tia Carrere ever took a DNA test. She looks a bit more caucasoid as she has aged, but I’d still be hard-pressed to put a percentage on it.
Anyway, it is a bit of a tragedy that it lost out to the Olympics and we didn’t get more un-PC stories about alien cultures.
Indeed, a lot of “cross-pollination” (a positive syncratism) can be seen within the Church structure that St. Thomas set-up:
Thus, the Malabar Church was Hindu or Indian in culture, Christian in religion, and Judeo-Syriac-Oriental in terms of origin and worship.[28]
Interior of the Palayur Church, one of the oldest Christian church in India and one of the seven founded by St. Thomas the Apostle in 52 AD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingjiao_Documents
No Religion is an island...
Zelensky's problem now is
the WestWashington having said Russia can not be allowed to succeed does not want to incur the lose of prestige that would go with Ukraine clearly losing, yet is very chary about giving Ukraine the most effective weapons in a timely way out of an unacknowledged fear of what the Russians might do when pushed, as they would see it, into a corner; this American worry is prolly stoked by secret intel from surveillance on the latest Russian contingency planning.Replies: @BeckowThe Washingtonians have created this cul-de-sac and the Ukies are only the first victims. The endless decades long propaganda that Russia is the satan (personalized as Putin) and that the Russian satan is weak and will be easily beaten is bearing a bitter fruit.
Something will have to give: either the satan turns out as weak as they hoped (unlikely) or the West will lose face – and the Ukies will lose the beautiful country they could have had. This is the last in a long series of insane Western missteps – the morons used to be checked by the more level-headed people, but lately the morons are fully in charge.
One look at them shows their inadequacy: Biden-Blinken-Yellen crowd, the no-name Indians running UK, for heaven sake, “Sholtz (?)” or the glib Frenchie who seemingly married his mother. They are not an aberration – on a very basic level they reflect today’s West: unfocused elderly non-entities who are too stupid not to follow a self-defeating script. We will need some luck to get out of this one…
From the purely military point of view he is correct. What he is saying roughly corresponds to what Roman Svetan (a Ukrainian hawk and an experienced airman) is sayin, too. It has been common knowledge for a long time that many of the Russian assets on Crimea could be taken out if a long range capability were to be provided. Alas, it hasn't been provided. That is probably the biggest geopolitical question of the moment - why not. This has been said over and over, that Crimea is a peninsula that can turn into an island very quickly. There is nothing new in this video.
He's correct that we (the EU, the West) were still very closely engaged with Russia even up to 2021. Very true. We were drinking champagne on the beach with them while Ukraine was suffering. Seriously, what does that say about us...
And of course he is absolutely correct about Kyiv not having built enough of their own weapons ("failure of deterrence"). This is what I alluded to in my post above - they had a missile program, they had Stugna, etc, etc. They should've built on that more systematically, with more effort. They had talent and the means, but they failed at the institutional level there and did not have enough of a sense of urgency about it (even though people such as Andriy Biletsky and other patriots very extremely vocal about it needing to be done asap!).
He is absolutely right about the politics of the Biden administration. "They do not say that they want Ukraine to win" - a 100% correct! Sullivan came up with all sorts of mysterious half way phrases such as "We do not want Ukraine to lose", etc etc. There is something going on in this administration. Probably something connected to Obama, Kerry. Maybe Clinton? Maybe something else, hard to say if it's purely ideological or something deeper. The only Ukraine friendly hawks are Austin and Blinken.
Look at the Twitter quote that Toly provided above from Kamil Galeev - very good quote!
One version - they fear Russia's demise not just because of its unpredictability and chaos it may bring (although the chaos may be contained within Russia) but also because they need Russia as leverage against other powers.
(Btw, the collapse of the Putin regime does not necessarily mean a collapse of the country, another regime - or the same elite, just regrouped, could come into its place and hold the country together, somehow negotiate their way out of this, if possible, and then continue on a similar, authoritarian route).
The other version - is what Arty Green voiced and that I described a couple of weeks ago in my convo with the poster S. That they are boiling the frog to bleed out the Russian forces so that the conditions ripen for political upheaval within Russia and that the regime collapses through that scenario - but under that scenario, Russia will be even more weakened and "chaoticized" that that would indeed cause danger to Russia's stability. This is an extremely cruel and cynical approach (not necessarily because of the regime change part but because of the scale of casualties that entails for both sides). But totally possible and the Russian government has chosen to continue on that route themselves because "the only thing worse than a war is losing a war" (they dread the vae victis). They're in a bind. This is absolutely tragic.
Look at this smart quote in answer to Kamil's quote, about the fear of the Biden administration:
"Such fear will not stop Russia collapsing but ensure tens of thousands preventable Ukrainian casualties. Actually, the faster Ukraine can win decisively, the higher the chances of current Putin mafia stabilising Russian regime. The longer it takes, the more hollowed out therefore will become, making ultimate uncontrollable failure more probable."
https://twitter.com/DrastikThomas/status/1677706548376633344Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC
Hodges has been saying the same thing for a long time. He is promoting foolish escalation which can get millions of Ukrainian citizens killed. My impression is that every third sentence is a half truth or outright lie, but his demeanor and presentation are convincing for a lot of people such as yourself. I suspect he wants to be the next Secretary of Defense and is polishing himself for that role. When Austin resigns in disgrace, this moronic monster may be next in line.
I imagine some military experts view Russia in Ukraine as a cat playing with a mouse, toying with the prey instead of killing it quickly. I am not military or a military expert, but I see it differently. Russia has the power to crush Ukraine militarily, but leaving the country as a pile of smoking rubble is not what she wants. There seems to be a dream of neutralizing the big-picture Western threat associated with Ukraine while still preserving some slavic brotherhood. This is an almost impossible compromise but Putin has been willing to risk it. A side effect of this plan is that it makes Russia look weak (maskirovka) and allows this war to continue slowly. That pace allows Russia to clean out as many highly dangerous Nationalist elements as possible while also allowing Russia to continue building military strength. The West probably likes the slow war because the bean counters believe it is gradually bleeding Russia economically. From this perspective the West is being patient to allow the sanctions to do their work.
The escalation promoted by bad souls like Hodges will probably lead to Russia switching to a different style of warfare. If Russia needs to step up the pace, she can simply start heavy aerial bombing of cities. People have wondered why this hasn’t happened, since it was an essential part of Western campaigns in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Serbia. Russia hasn’t done so because it combines attacks on militarily important infrastructure with large scale killing of civilians penned up in cities. They have not been prevented by the moderate Ukrainian air defenses or air force. If Hodges has his way, Russia could be forced into destroying major cities and probably quickly.
For Russia the acceptability of this option has actually increased over time. Initially they didn’t really want to do it. They also would have incurred serious aircraft losses taking out air defenses. Most importantly, early in the war many Russian citizens would hate it, so the fifth columns would have a lot of angst to work with. By now a lot more people in Russia realize that some countries in the West really do want to crush Russia. These people recognize what this would mean for the lives of Russian citizens caught in that process. So at some point soon, many people may stand up and say, why are we saving these fools in Kiev and putting our lives and civilization at risk? Then we may see VVS (Russian Air Force) take the gloves off. The strikes up to now have been modest. If the Russian air force implements serious bombing strikes a lot of Ukrainian civilians will be killed. Last year, many Russians would have said “Kremlin bad”. Now they may say, “Good riddance”.
War is all about unleashing the monster inside humanity. This is a very dangerous game in the modern world.
If the West decides to respond aggressively to this style of air warfare instead of calling off this bloody debacle, tactical nuclear weapons might be next up on the menu for Russia.
This helps explain why some of your insights sound like rehashed knowledge presented to the modern world by New Age apologists. Christ has had his detractors from the very beginning, and Celus is no exception to this grouping. Why would God himself need to learn any magic tricks from some Egyptian charlatans? I have a book somewhere in my home where the author’s main premise is that Jesus Christ also spent time in India visiting some of the local ashrams. If I had your address, I’d find it and mail it to you, seeing that you believe in some of this kind of stuff.
btw, one funny episode in all this RF nuclear clownery carnaval happened during the alleged coup – Medvedev, who was threatening to blow up all the world daily since 2022 spring, started posting about grave danger of nukes going into the hands of criminals, lol
Meanwhile the aforementioned pure career criminal Prigozhin earlier publicly was agitating against the use of nukes, because of such type drunken neighbouring fights with UA;)
Medvedev went silent roughly about for a week after this, but now returned to the usual programming of “non-criminal” bloviating about blowing up everybody and everything;)
Simple questions - during this hypothetical confrontation that you guys believe is somehow imminent and unavoidable, who will move where, from the pure logistics standpoint, in what numbers and with what tech? How will the current Russian troop deployments in Ukraine affect this? I already said that they could shoot missiles. There have been nuclear carrying missiles in the enclave now for, what, 10 years? But they will be shooting them into NATO territory, not just on the territory closely bordering NATO. There is some air defense in place (and more air defense solutions are being planned). No, those were expeditions by the US and allies against much weaker states (or maybe not even that weak in some cases). Within a geopolitical context, of course.
Those were done willingly by the US. The US, much less Europe, are not planning such an expedition to Russia. This is something they want to avoid at all costs (and if you look at the likes of Sullivan, there is probably something else going on there as well). So this would be a completely different scenario. That's why I'm asking you - who is going to move and where? Under what specific conditions? Russians were too vain and stupid to stomp into a wasp nest, now it will be a death by a thousand cuts (what's more, they are cannibalizing their own historic genetic and demographic reservoir), we're not that stupid. But they did invade (so it is not at all bullshit but plain truth). Not only did they invade, they did it in a barbaric manner and because of the internet everyone can see it live now (unlike during the times of Stalin or Ivan Grozny). Stalin (and the Soviets in general) was very smart to hide his crimes carefully form the eyes of a wider international or even local public. I agree with that, those issues were not solved. Maybe they will be now. They chose to not be European. They have chosen to be "Eurasian". Europeans have not only rights, but also obligations, even duties, if I may use such an old fashioned word.
You do realize they are now threatening Europe with nukes (have been for years in fact on their TV)? And you're simultaneously expecting "European rights" for them? Are you crazy?Replies: @Beckow
I meant it was the usual cliche by the ones who want money from taxes for their military adventures (or their careers). It is a trade-off: Europe is already getting poorer – just look around – moving large resources to defense will make people poorer. It is a waste, there wasn’t and isn’t any external enemy who has designs on Europe, it is a made-up threat done by hallucinating about Russia (or China) that simply didn’t exist. Now in the usual chicken-and-egg dynamic, Europe may create a dangerous enemy for itself.
Russians are in the south-east Ukraine and I doubt anyone has the power to dislodge them. The other areas can be brought into the war, but the precise logistics are less important than the reality that if Nato moves into any Russian territory they risk a nuclear annihilation. This is no longer a game, it very well may happen. It could be small and contained, or it could go all the way. But Poland-Balts (and Nato in general) are playing with fire. There is no winning here.
They invaded to save the Russian ethnic minority from what was likely going to be an ongoing annihilation and to prevent the Nato expansion. We can argue if it was the only way or if it was justified, but after Kiev murdered 3k Russian civilians in Donbas (and Odessa) and after Kiev-Nato locked in their alliance, they really had only two choices: surrender or invade. The invasion on its face seem a lot more justified than the recent Nato invasions of Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya…when you live in a glass house you shouldn’t throw stones at the others.
All wars are barbaric – so far Russia has been a lot less ruthless and barbaric than Nato was in their wars. A lot less, Iraqi civilians were killed in hundreds of thousands, and people in the West were gleefully celebrating (please, don’t resort to casual racism to dismiss it – it is ugly, people are people).
They are threatening each other. Leaving the ABM treaty, placing missiles on Russian borders, moving into Ukraine have been much more real threats than what Russia has belatedly said. The only people who actually used nukes are running Nato, so by your logic the people in those countries have no human rights? You the crazy one – the hatred and desperation has made you so, You are losing an aggressive war that you didn’t have to fight – a war of choice for the West, they didn’t have yo move into Ukraine – that often drives people mad.
You are a sad spectacle old woman, living your revenge fantasies and watching them turn to dust. You should have stayed with your Waffen SS memorials, it was stupid but harmless.
I imagine some military experts view Russia in Ukraine as a cat playing with a mouse, toying with the prey instead of killing it quickly. I am not military or a military expert, but I see it differently. Russia has the power to crush Ukraine militarily, but leaving the country as a pile of smoking rubble is not what she wants. There seems to be a dream of neutralizing the big-picture Western threat associated with Ukraine while still preserving some slavic brotherhood. This is an almost impossible compromise but Putin has been willing to risk it. A side effect of this plan is that it makes Russia look weak (maskirovka) and allows this war to continue slowly. That pace allows Russia to clean out as many highly dangerous Nationalist elements as possible while also allowing Russia to continue building military strength. The West probably likes the slow war because the bean counters believe it is gradually bleeding Russia economically. From this perspective the West is being patient to allow the sanctions to do their work.
The escalation promoted by bad souls like Hodges will probably lead to Russia switching to a different style of warfare. If Russia needs to step up the pace, she can simply start heavy aerial bombing of cities. People have wondered why this hasn't happened, since it was an essential part of Western campaigns in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Serbia. Russia hasn't done so because it combines attacks on militarily important infrastructure with large scale killing of civilians penned up in cities. They have not been prevented by the moderate Ukrainian air defenses or air force. If Hodges has his way, Russia could be forced into destroying major cities and probably quickly.
For Russia the acceptability of this option has actually increased over time. Initially they didn't really want to do it. They also would have incurred serious aircraft losses taking out air defenses. Most importantly, early in the war many Russian citizens would hate it, so the fifth columns would have a lot of angst to work with. By now a lot more people in Russia realize that some countries in the West really do want to crush Russia. These people recognize what this would mean for the lives of Russian citizens caught in that process. So at some point soon, many people may stand up and say, why are we saving these fools in Kiev and putting our lives and civilization at risk? Then we may see VVS (Russian Air Force) take the gloves off. The strikes up to now have been modest. If the Russian air force implements serious bombing strikes a lot of Ukrainian civilians will be killed. Last year, many Russians would have said "Kremlin bad". Now they may say, "Good riddance".
War is all about unleashing the monster inside humanity. This is a very dangerous game in the modern world.
If the West decides to respond aggressively to this style of air warfare instead of calling off this bloody debacle, tactical nuclear weapons might be next up on the menu for Russia.Replies: @sudden death, @Beckow, @LatW
VVS wasn’t able to bomb TV tower in bordertown named Kharkov without being blown out of the sky, so it was the main reason why they were not bombing cities all over UA, not a good will. The moment they will start bombing the cities will come if UA air defenses will become non existent, but not earlier.
They haven't done it because they care more about Ukie civilians than the West cared about civilians in Iraq or Serbia. You should give them some credit for it - they are clearly more humane. US on a number of occasions simply obliterated whole neighborhoods to reach a single target. It was "collateral damage".
If Russia decides to destroy Lviv or some other mid-size city in the Western Ukraine, they can do it. (I don't think they would ever consider doing it to Kiev, Odessa or Kharkov.) What then? More outrage? But being already so angry and lying in the media that "it has already happened", how would you summon even more outrage? This is a no-win game for the Ukies, they should quit before they lose even more.Replies: @sudden death
This is part of the "Cat and mouse" and maskirovka weakness look. I don't know why the Russians have made some of these strange moves, but their general capabilities have clearly been shown to work. They have been shooting missiles all across Ukraine for almost two years with general success. What they have not done AFAIK is seriously concentrate these attacks on the air defenses of a major city.
I think they have probably done lots of probing attacks to learn how many missiles and drones are required to saturate the air defenses in different areas.
In my opinion, concentration of missile fire and drones can saturate any air defense and destroy it. Once that is done the air force sends in fighter-bombers to clean up loose ends and draw out spare missile systems which were hidden. This may cost a few more Su-34. At that point high altitude bombers can do what they are designed for with impunity. I don't know if there is any flak, but glide bombs can work around that. The proximity of Kharkov to the border reduces any defensive advantage that Western satellite reconnaissance gives to Ukraine.
I think Kharkov is one large city the Russians would like to have capitulate without being forced to destroy. This seems difficult as the West fights to the last Ukrainian. This may explain the Russian patience.Replies: @sudden death
Thus, the Malabar Church was Hindu or Indian in culture, Christian in religion, and Judeo-Syriac-Oriental in terms of origin and worship.[28]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Palayur_Church.jpg
Interior of the Palayur Church, one of the oldest Christian church in India and one of the seven founded by St. Thomas the Apostle in 52 AD.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Agree. As I wrote, influence went both ways. The Syriac Church, has been extremely influential for centuries to come. Syriac Christian Mongol aristocracy were instrumental in protecting the Orthodox Church during the Mongol conquest of Rus’ lands. Another interesting example of syncretism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingjiao_Documents
No Religion is an island…
Meanwhile the aforementioned pure career criminal Prigozhin earlier publicly was agitating against the use of nukes, because of such type drunken neighbouring fights with UA;)
Medvedev went silent roughly about for a week after this, but now returned to the usual programming of "non-criminal" bloviating about blowing up everybody and everything;)Replies: @Ivashka the fool
The RusFed Noviop circus is entertaining, but should not be completely taken for granted. These people are scum, but even a rat can jump to your throat if cornered.
I imagine some military experts view Russia in Ukraine as a cat playing with a mouse, toying with the prey instead of killing it quickly. I am not military or a military expert, but I see it differently. Russia has the power to crush Ukraine militarily, but leaving the country as a pile of smoking rubble is not what she wants. There seems to be a dream of neutralizing the big-picture Western threat associated with Ukraine while still preserving some slavic brotherhood. This is an almost impossible compromise but Putin has been willing to risk it. A side effect of this plan is that it makes Russia look weak (maskirovka) and allows this war to continue slowly. That pace allows Russia to clean out as many highly dangerous Nationalist elements as possible while also allowing Russia to continue building military strength. The West probably likes the slow war because the bean counters believe it is gradually bleeding Russia economically. From this perspective the West is being patient to allow the sanctions to do their work.
The escalation promoted by bad souls like Hodges will probably lead to Russia switching to a different style of warfare. If Russia needs to step up the pace, she can simply start heavy aerial bombing of cities. People have wondered why this hasn't happened, since it was an essential part of Western campaigns in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Serbia. Russia hasn't done so because it combines attacks on militarily important infrastructure with large scale killing of civilians penned up in cities. They have not been prevented by the moderate Ukrainian air defenses or air force. If Hodges has his way, Russia could be forced into destroying major cities and probably quickly.
For Russia the acceptability of this option has actually increased over time. Initially they didn't really want to do it. They also would have incurred serious aircraft losses taking out air defenses. Most importantly, early in the war many Russian citizens would hate it, so the fifth columns would have a lot of angst to work with. By now a lot more people in Russia realize that some countries in the West really do want to crush Russia. These people recognize what this would mean for the lives of Russian citizens caught in that process. So at some point soon, many people may stand up and say, why are we saving these fools in Kiev and putting our lives and civilization at risk? Then we may see VVS (Russian Air Force) take the gloves off. The strikes up to now have been modest. If the Russian air force implements serious bombing strikes a lot of Ukrainian civilians will be killed. Last year, many Russians would have said "Kremlin bad". Now they may say, "Good riddance".
War is all about unleashing the monster inside humanity. This is a very dangerous game in the modern world.
If the West decides to respond aggressively to this style of air warfare instead of calling off this bloody debacle, tactical nuclear weapons might be next up on the menu for Russia.Replies: @sudden death, @Beckow, @LatW
That is the unfortunate reality we are facing. In retrospect, the monsters inside humanity have been unleashed in the West first – and quite some time ago. The murderous attacks by Nato in the last few decades should have been a wake-up call, but the people were too comfortable and disengaged.
You are right about the potential Ukie civilian destruction – it is obvious and the fools denying it are living in a lala world of mad dreams and hatreds. Russia has held back from doing it – and I hope they will continue to do so. But if the escalations go on – cluster-fu.k munitions, attacks inside Russia, etc… – it will happen.
Why is West trying to trigger it? Why are Zelko&Co. collaborating? The total disregard for the Ukie lives is part of it and the hope that many Russians also die – that makes them very happy, they are sick people. They would never advocate similar policies for the Western populations, but the low-life Ukies (or Poles, Balts, Romanians) are of no interest – they can die to make their propaganda work better.
I hope we make it through, but the coming regrets by the Ukies will be something to watch. They will curse Zelko and the Bandera nationalists, and they may finally understand how disposable they are for their Western friends.
I largely concur. However, I suggest better focus on those actually responsible.
The European Imperialists (a.k.a. Islamist Atlanticists) formerly lead by Angela “Mutti” Merkel, originated the Great Muslim Replacement and other EU policy failures. She is followed by [as you put it] “Sholtz (?)” or the glib Frenchie who seemingly married his mother. While the two successors are weaker than the horror of Merkel, they have kept the Gates firmly open letting in Jihadist Barbarians hordes.
The EU’s brain dead vassals, Biden-Blinken-Yellen crowd, have no agency. Fortunately, America is well into pushback against these droogs. No matter how much Germany’s precious Scholz demands more money, Congress will be cutting. The U.S. has absolutely NO prestige at stake in Ukraine and is in the processes of walking away. This will be much more visible in the coming months as appropriations become smaller and have strings attached.
The real question remains, “How will Scholz, Macron, and other European Empire leaders react when money stops flowing across the pond?”. If the EU architects of the fight cannot fund it, we may have the opportunity to wind down before a catastrophe.
Ending the fight is the best solution. Alas, Zelensky is in thrall to European puppet masters. Kiev should be negotiating with Russia. Scholz will not let that happen with EU prestige and expansionary imperatives on the line.
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You are not thinking clearly. If Russia tries to bomb carefully they are exposed – but if they simply unleash missiles from far away on large cities they can’t be stopped. That is what Nato did when bombing its victims, “shock-and-awe”, kill everything in the vicinity. It works, even the best air defense can only stop a portion of the missiles.
They haven’t done it because they care more about Ukie civilians than the West cared about civilians in Iraq or Serbia. You should give them some credit for it – they are clearly more humane. US on a number of occasions simply obliterated whole neighborhoods to reach a single target. It was “collateral damage”.
If Russia decides to destroy Lviv or some other mid-size city in the Western Ukraine, they can do it. (I don’t think they would ever consider doing it to Kiev, Odessa or Kharkov.) What then? More outrage? But being already so angry and lying in the media that “it has already happened”, how would you summon even more outrage? This is a no-win game for the Ukies, they should quit before they lose even more.
I think the future is visible where they will advocate these things for Western populations.
They haven't done it because they care more about Ukie civilians than the West cared about civilians in Iraq or Serbia. You should give them some credit for it - they are clearly more humane. US on a number of occasions simply obliterated whole neighborhoods to reach a single target. It was "collateral damage".
If Russia decides to destroy Lviv or some other mid-size city in the Western Ukraine, they can do it. (I don't think they would ever consider doing it to Kiev, Odessa or Kharkov.) What then? More outrage? But being already so angry and lying in the media that "it has already happened", how would you summon even more outrage? This is a no-win game for the Ukies, they should quit before they lose even more.Replies: @sudden death
Once again you’re pushing pure neccesity as some good will – in order to completely destroy any single bigger city with conventional longer range rocketry, RF should have waste away such amount of rocketry stocks they would not be able to effectively shoot at any military targets all over remaining UA for a considerable amount of time, thus strenghtening UA army capabilities, which would not anyhow notably suffer because that one chosen unlucky city would be in ruins after.
In so called “total bombing” campaign of Yugoslavia, there were roughly about 2k Serb civilians killed, which is less than RF killed in Mariupol alone during several months in 2022.
This is if course normal, as a I was influenced by my milieu. We all are. When I was around 14 years old I started reading the Bible, I found a lot of beauty in it, especially in the Book of the Ecclesiastes and I found the preaching of Jeremiah inspiring. But I was also perplexed by the Book of Job in which G-d behaves in an unethical manner towards a pious good man by letting Satan drag the man through a sea of suffering just to test his fidelity. It didn't make sense for a good G-d to do such a thing and also to offer a completely loser explanation when asked for a reason, an explanation that amounts to "I know better and I do what I want". The story of Abraham and Isaac (or Ishmael for the Muslim) didn't make sense and the whole massacre of the Egyptian children was gross and demonic as was also the Book of Joshua with it's "and he put them to the sword" leitmotiv.
Around the same time, I read the Gospels in their Russian translation (which is quite good). The message of the Gospels resonated with me, but the terrible suffering that Jesus was subjected to and him crying on the cross "Eli, Eli lama sabahtani..." before dying was quite shocking. Clearly, something didn't go as planned, and yet Jesus arose from the dead, proving that his message was right. But his message has taken strange forms in the Christian thought. The concept of Trinity seemed strange and hard to fathom, especially that it led to much quarreling between the early Christians.
Nevertheless, I started praying, which was unusual for a kid back then in Moscow (it was still the Soviet times and religion was repressed). It was around that time that I happened to also read the first Buddhist sutras excerpts published in the Soviet periodical "Science and religion". I also happened to find about the early Christian apocrypha, although I didn't know much about it back then. It was around the final years of the Soviet Union and also my coming of age.
With the fall of the Soviet Union, the war in Chechnya and the Jewish involvement in the demise of Soviet system and mass emigration, a lot of questions began to arise in me about the interaction of Abrahamic religions and their history. I started to read about Islam, mainly Sufism and the history of Islamic civilization. I also started to read about Jewry, but it was mainly the antisemitic literature that was mass produced at the time and freely available in Moscow back then. Jews played a prominent and mostly negative role in these years in the FUSSR. I have known both persons of Muslim and Jewish ancestry since childhood among our neighbors and my family friends and relations. But they were Soviet people just like we were too. Now it was different, they weren't Russian and some of them made it feel by being negative about Russians and Russia in general. It was a novel experience and not a pleasant one. At the same time my parents became somewhat more religious, especially my mother and we often went to the Church, going to which became attached with being Russian.
Then I happened to read the book by Daisetz Suzuki about Zen and it kind of made sense in a strange way: all humans are delusional, but they can awaken to the Real and transcend their deluded state and transcend suffering. In fact, the awakened mind is inherent into their fundamental nature of consciousness, they just forget about it and are always distracted with different stupid stuff (such as endlessly shitposting on Unz). Since then I became more and more interested and involved with Buddhism and I believe that it is slowly working its transformation in my consciousness. Or perhaps it is just me getting old.
Anyway, as the famous haiku has it:
O snail, climb Mt Fuji, but slowly, slowly...
Old habits die hard, but they still end up dying. Everything flows and passes away in the end...
🙂Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry
From early 1980s, KGB and some other intelligence agencies, were paying for antisemitic literature, mass production and distribution in the cities where there were more Jewish population like Moscow. They were even creating antisemitic documentary films which were not released. In the 1990s, the mass promotion of the antisemitic was continued by KGB/FSB agents like Zhirinovsky.
As everything in the Soviet Union is from the top, question for a hypothesis is why they have project of the mass production and distribution of antisemitic literature in the 1980s and 1990s and was it related to international context of the Soviet Union, or potentially mutual benefit of the epoch.
For the parallel chronology, in the 1970s, demographers like Arnon Soffer in Israel, developed the concept of the demographic timebomb, where they believed Jews would be soon the minority nationality not only in the post-1967 zone, also in the pre-1967 Israel.
It was not just internal discussion, but it was in the international circles. Arafat said “the womb of the Palestinian woman is the strongest weapon against Zionism.”
This view of the Israeli government and politicians in the 1980s, they will save the future of Israel and Zionism, by immigration of Jewish-derived populations of the Soviet Union. You can read the discussion in the 1989 Christian Science Monitor article. https://www.csmonitor.com/1989/1124/opop.html
In 1980, the Jewish population in Israel is only 3 million people. Which is similar to the number of population of potentially Jewish derived population in the USSR. Fertility rate in Israel of Jews was also falling, while Muslims was not falling.
This is how in the 1980s many Israeli official believe, they could double the Jewish population in Israel and save the country. This one of the most important national priorities of Israel in this epoch.
In the same time, the economic situation in Israel was bad, it was epoch of the hyperinflation and the falling standards of living. Many of the native Israelis, were emigrating from Israel to developed countries.
By the end of the 1990s, the immigration to Israel from the postsoviet space is insignificant, while the demographic situation is including falling Arab fertility rates.
In the 21st century, the situation in Russia is the opposite than in the 1980s/1990s, from the “top down”, the official culture is philosemitic, the production of the antisemitic material is almost not existent or illegal.
However, after 2014, the culture is reversed in relation to Ukraine. While a decade ago, mostly everything was positive about Ukrainians, within a few months in 2014, they can reverse the attitude about the Ukrainians.
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This is a film by the Jewish Agency for Israel. At 8:10 the student is saying it is from the government. Dugin is also in the film. Today, they use Dugin against Ukrainians, in 1990 he was promoting antisemitism. I’m not saying some conspiracy that Dugin was part of some mutual benefit agreements with Israel. But it is indication from our own epoch, how “top down” these cultures like Dugin are, they controlled by the government.
In 1990, the intelligence agents Dugin and Zhrinovsky were used for the antisemitism projects. After 2014, they were used for the anti-Ukraine projects.
I am from an epoch in Russia, where I still remember how positive we were supposed to feel about Ukrainians. The reversal in 2014 was very strange and “top down”, but also many of us believed this.
In 1990, the intelligence agents Dugin and Zhrinovsky were used for the antisemitism projects. After 2014, they were used for the anti-Ukraine projects. I am from an epoch in Russia, where I still remember how positive we were supposed to feel about Ukrainians. The reversal in 2014 was very strange and "top down", but also many of us believed this.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Now, do you think that Soviet and or RusFed Noviop elites would have done that on their own ?
The Russians may have had trouble in Kharkov but it does not mean what you think. There is no air defense in the world which can prevent the VVS from bombing any or all of Kharkov if the military leadership agrees to this.
This is part of the “Cat and mouse” and maskirovka weakness look. I don’t know why the Russians have made some of these strange moves, but their general capabilities have clearly been shown to work. They have been shooting missiles all across Ukraine for almost two years with general success. What they have not done AFAIK is seriously concentrate these attacks on the air defenses of a major city.
I think they have probably done lots of probing attacks to learn how many missiles and drones are required to saturate the air defenses in different areas.
In my opinion, concentration of missile fire and drones can saturate any air defense and destroy it. Once that is done the air force sends in fighter-bombers to clean up loose ends and draw out spare missile systems which were hidden. This may cost a few more Su-34. At that point high altitude bombers can do what they are designed for with impunity. I don’t know if there is any flak, but glide bombs can work around that. The proximity of Kharkov to the border reduces any defensive advantage that Western satellite reconnaissance gives to Ukraine.
I think Kharkov is one large city the Russians would like to have capitulate without being forced to destroy. This seems difficult as the West fights to the last Ukrainian. This may explain the Russian patience.
I’m going to be attacked by Silviosilver etc, but I’m not saying I believe this so convenient theory is true or false. The reason I don’t say this is true or false, is because I don’t have so much information and it is time before I was born. I just see how the chronology is matching and I know certainly these kind of culture is engineered by the top in Russia.
I know anything like this in Russia is artificially engineered by the top. I experienced this directly in 2014 in relation to Ukraine.
You see Dugin in the film above about antisemitism in 1990 by the United Jewish Appeal? I remember in 2014, almost no-one knows who is Dugin. Then Dugin in 2014 is promoted a lot by the television, saying anti-Ukrainian propaganda.
It’s the same person in 1990 who was used to engineer astroturf antisemitism, in 2014 was used to engineer astroturf anti-Ukrainian views. I remember in 2014, suddenly Zhirinovsky is the most anti-Ukrainian.
I also remember reading a funny comment in one of the immigration forums. This is in the forum, there was Jewish immigrant who was living in Canada or USA. He said he had immigrated to Israel is some year like 1993. He said he emigrated because he believed Zhirinovsky was going to persecute Jewish people.
From someone of the 21st century Russia, this is a very mysterious comment. All we think about in Zhirinovsky (if you don’t know he was a KGB agent etc), “he wants to bomb Ukraine and Sweden”. But in 1990, it seems Zhirinovsky and Dugin was working different projects.
It is the most dishonest and bloodthirsty thing I have ever watched.
It is exactly why I am worried about nuclear war. I think his game has become more polished and he is happy to get us all killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuyDY3o-m9oReplies: @LatW, @Wokechoke
“The Black Sea Fleet’s gotta go”…it’s been based in Sevastapol for a couple of hundred years. Hodges is a pretty fucking odd figure.
The Black Sea fleet has been in Sevastopol since before the USA had a constitution.
It would be interesting to see a debate between Macgregor and Hodges. Unfortunately, I don't think they have enough common ground on Ukraine to have a productive conversation. I think the difference in rank would make a moderated Q&A difficult to set up.Replies: @Wokechoke
And then G-d proceeds to tell Job's friends who had insisted that G-d would never punish someone who didn't deserve it that he will no longer accept any sacrifices from them, but from now on they had to do all their sacrifices through Job. I never had a problem with the Egyptian children thing but I agree that the genocides carried out in Numbers and in Joshua are stomach churning. That said, I doubt they actually happened so it doesn't really bother me. More likely it proves that Mark had a different theology and Christology than did the other Gospel writers. If that was your experience okay but the Russian Jews I've known have always been insanely proud of being "Russian" (which they aren't) and in 1990's and 2000's Israel, Soviet Jews were known for being fanatically thin skinned about anything they perceived as Russophobia (which was pretty much everything, they were the most sensitive group in history). Any native Israeli who got in any sort of altercation with a Russian Jewish immigrant was virtually guaranteed to be subjected to diatribe about how they are only alive because the Red Army saved them (the equivalent of when Americans tell Europeans, "If it weren't for me, you'd be speaking German"). During the war between Sharansky and Deri, the Russian Jews overwhelmingly sided with the non Jewish Russians against the Mizrahim.
Yeah I was into Buddhism for a while. You should check out the Hillside Hermitage channel. It's run by a Serbian Buddhist monk. I still watch their videos. I agree with Buddhism on some things and not on others.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry
That’s nothing special. They were people from a generation who were part of a superpower, with prestigious culture, important people in their collective identity.
In 2013-2014, maybe between 1/3 and 1/2 of people in Ukraine, believe they are “Russians” (although with Ukrainian passports), are proud of Russia etc.
In 2022, most of the same people, are Ukrainians, they hate Russia (in this example, with justification), they even don’t want to teach their native Russian language to their children.
Within 8 years, the people in Ukraine who said they were Russians, are now some of the most patriotic Ukrainians. If you look at most of the cities bombed by the Russian army, most of Ukrainian army, most of Azov, they are the Russian speakers who were opposing the change of government in 2014.
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By the way, already ten years ago, a significant part of the upper class Russians, are changing their name to seem more Western, or using names with less Russian connotation when in the West. Upper class people usually are in advance of a trend.
Russia nowadays lost most of its “brand equity”. But even in the recent time, i.e. 40 years ago, Soviet Union had a lot of brand equity, Russian was one of the most important culture of the 20th century. In the second half of the 20th century, it was even a superpower’s culture. Moscow was center of a superpower with 280-290 million citizens.
This is part of the "Cat and mouse" and maskirovka weakness look. I don't know why the Russians have made some of these strange moves, but their general capabilities have clearly been shown to work. They have been shooting missiles all across Ukraine for almost two years with general success. What they have not done AFAIK is seriously concentrate these attacks on the air defenses of a major city.
I think they have probably done lots of probing attacks to learn how many missiles and drones are required to saturate the air defenses in different areas.
In my opinion, concentration of missile fire and drones can saturate any air defense and destroy it. Once that is done the air force sends in fighter-bombers to clean up loose ends and draw out spare missile systems which were hidden. This may cost a few more Su-34. At that point high altitude bombers can do what they are designed for with impunity. I don't know if there is any flak, but glide bombs can work around that. The proximity of Kharkov to the border reduces any defensive advantage that Western satellite reconnaissance gives to Ukraine.
I think Kharkov is one large city the Russians would like to have capitulate without being forced to destroy. This seems difficult as the West fights to the last Ukrainian. This may explain the Russian patience.Replies: @sudden death
What is the criteria of said success? Hitting the middle of the river near a bridge or a blowing up the dirt in some playground? If so, then yeah, great success indeed;)
If the criteria is disrupting the movements of whole UA army, weapons or fuel into the front, then hardly so, as UA in general has been continuing doing it all the time since 2022 February.
I think these are mostly attacks on point targets which the Russians are gradually taking out across the country. This work progressively degrades the Ukrainian ability to fight. In my theory the Russians do not want this to end too soon so this pattern is intentional. We hear about substations and transformers being taken out but I have not heard of power plants being hit (except the Ukrainians shelling the nuclear power plants). I'm may have missed something, but the power is still on in much of the country as far as I know. I don't think this is the result of mystical Ukrainian air defenses. It is the result of Russian tactics and strategy.
Russian strikes across the country also incentivizes the Ukrainians to spread their air defenses around instead of making a more heavily layered defense in a few areas.
Yes, he is odd. I guess someone has to be the “Most Hawkish Mainstream Figure”. I don’t watch the mainstream so I am just hoping there are no outspoken people who are even more hawkish on Ukraine! He was a very senior officer in Europe and ended up as a three star general so his words may carry some weight.
The Black Sea fleet has been in Sevastopol since before the USA had a constitution.
It would be interesting to see a debate between Macgregor and Hodges. Unfortunately, I don’t think they have enough common ground on Ukraine to have a productive conversation. I think the difference in rank would make a moderated Q&A difficult to set up.
1) OT is the imperfect record of the cult of a titular deity (demon) of a Northern Arabian Semitic population evolving into a "universal" religion.
2) NT / Gospels are the records of the Teachings of a young cosmopolitan Galilean (not Hebrew) Hellenistic Rabbi who has spent his formative years in Alexandria. A city which had up to 40% Judaic population (mostly Hellenistic Gerim), was thoroughly open to the wide Oikumene - the westernmost point in the two branches of the Silk Road. At a time when the Greek Koine and Aramaic were spoken all the way up to India and the gates of China in Tokharistan.
The young Rabbi who has learned a lot in Alexandria (as mentioned in Celsus "Against Christians"), came back home to the Judaic hinterland, and tried to impart some "latest flavor" of wisdom into his folk and kin. He diturbed their simple archaic life and threatened the Pharisean litterati and the Sadducean priestly elites. And they killed him for doing so.
And yeah, in Aramaic, the Holy Ghost is feminine (just like Shekinah is - a typical feminine Πάρεδροι situation, just like in Tantric Buddhist thought), that is why early Gnostic Christians sometimes ironically opined about it being impossible for a woman to conceive from a female spirit. http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gop.htmlReplies: @Dmitry
At least, now you agree ancient Eastern Mediterranean culture, is significantly influenced from Ancient Egypt. Especially a lot of Ancient Greek culture like the art and sculpture, also the mystical cults are directly from Ancient Egypt.
But if you believe anything from the Gospels, Jesus was not very cosmopolitan. He was a working class background, as artisan in Nazareth.
If you read the historians, this actually implies Jesus is even lower class origin, as they were peasants who many don’t have access to their tribal land in the Herodian epoch.
While in this time, the Hellenism is the more of an imported culture of the elite Jews, provincial upper class in the Roman empire and more of the merchant class.
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When Jesus returns to Nazareth, they don’t understand why someone who begins their career as a carpenter, would be teaching. He is viewed as from an nonelite origin in his home city, this is if we believe the Gospels are not falsified propaganda which is another discussion.
“Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. “Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing? Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%206:1-4
They do in my neighborhood right now. Even discount carpenters from Mexico.
He wrote that young Jesus joined a mystical brotherhood in Egypt and has "learned magic" there.
It makes perfectly sense, the family of Jesus emigrated to Egypt shortly after his birth. The reason given for their emigration in the Gospels is of course laughable, the reasons for emigrating were either economic or personal. The Jewish immigrants to Egypt at the time often settled in Alexandria, which was a cosmopolitan Megapolis, the second most important city in the Roman Empire and was mostly Jewish and Greek, with Jews of Alexandria being mostly Hellenistic.
Later on, his parents (and probably his brothers and sisters) went back home, but he might have stayed behind or just returned to the place of his childhood, while his aging father stayed in his home land. Interestingly, the Gospels mention Jesus coming back home, mention his mother, but do not mention his father. Probably Joseph has died after coming back home and Jesus came back when his father was dead.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Either that or the miracles and exorcisms were real and he resurrected. Lol.
Apparently there are 20 people whose permission is needed to launch nukes. All those people have families. Militarily, they wouldn’t be making enough difference with just one tactical nuke, they would need to do several strikes.
NATO doctrine was to use theatre thermonuclear weapons to stop a Warsaw Pact offensive. One recently retired general in the 80s said he would have requested to use them within hours of a Soviet attack. When he was a Nato general Ben Hodges would have approved use of theatre thermonuclear weapons if necessary but he always seems to find reasons to think the Russian generals probably would not. America is not going to fight a nuclear war over Ukraine--it just isn't.Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ
Why in the hell are you promoting escalation?Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW
I’m not promoting anything, I’m just explaining how some of the parties involved here think. Russia has already escalated to insane levels.
I see footage of the results of Russian missile strikes. The Ukrainians generally report that they got all but one or two of the missiles while the Russians say that all but one or two of the missiles got through. So they agree that missiles are getting through.
I think these are mostly attacks on point targets which the Russians are gradually taking out across the country. This work progressively degrades the Ukrainian ability to fight. In my theory the Russians do not want this to end too soon so this pattern is intentional. We hear about substations and transformers being taken out but I have not heard of power plants being hit (except the Ukrainians shelling the nuclear power plants). I’m may have missed something, but the power is still on in much of the country as far as I know. I don’t think this is the result of mystical Ukrainian air defenses. It is the result of Russian tactics and strategy.
Russian strikes across the country also incentivizes the Ukrainians to spread their air defenses around instead of making a more heavily layered defense in a few areas.
I suspect that their work ethic is comparable to that of Latin Americans. This is just a hunch, though; not backed up by solid proof. Still, to my knowledge, Russian complaints about them generally don’t involve them being lazy.
BTW, I don’t believe that countries own their people. Thus, if other countries have better opportunities for their people, then they should have an opportunity to move there assuming that they’re actually culturally compatible there. But I also support voluntary neo-colonialism to help the Third World develop to compensate them for their brain drain, if that is something that the Third World itself will actually want.
Now do you understand why I support pro-natalism, both for the West and (especially if it will become pro-Western) for Russia as well?
Also the Chinese are pretty racist, so this racism will only reinforce chain immigration in such a case.Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ
Interestingly enough, I seem to recall Tajikistan banning cousin marriage several years ago. Hopefully Uzbekistan will follow in its footsteps.
I generally take a libertarian approach to such questions, but cousin marriage in the Muslim world is a really severe problem.
In the instances you mention, things can change back given Kiev regime fault lines. Also consider those feeling a need to be silent on how they actually feel.
You stuck ‘completely‘ in what I said, it doesn’t have to be. A lot of damage can be quite incomplete and done with a relatively small number of missiles. It is a continuum and you claiming that Russia is doing it out of ‘necessity’ is obviously untrue. They could do a lot more, they have chosen now not to. If you so confident, why don’t you try them?
The Yugoslavia bombing campaign was much shorter – only 2-3 months, and the country is much smaller. The brutality of that campaign, blowing up everything from moving trains to TV stations, downtown Beograd etc…was significantly worse than Russian bombing has been so far. And it was an early one, it was establishing a precedent, Nato got much worse after that in Iraq, Libya, etc…
And there was no complaining in the West. Just the opposite, they celebrated it and talked about how much further they can and should go. NY Times asked how far back do the Serbs want to go, 15th century, 12th century? Then there was the shock-and-awe over Baghdad, hundreds of thousands of civilians died in Iraq.
You can’t walk away from it since nobody was held accountable. What Russia has done is much less – Mariupol was a brutal siege and not remote bombing. Kiev or Lviv have not been brutally bombed. They easily could be. Nato would not hold back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force#April_23,_1999:_Radio_Television_Serbia_(RTS)_headquarters_bombing
Russians killed hundreds in bombings of Kharkiv alone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/17/kharkiv-bodies-human-toll/Replies: @Beckow
I imagine some military experts view Russia in Ukraine as a cat playing with a mouse, toying with the prey instead of killing it quickly. I am not military or a military expert, but I see it differently. Russia has the power to crush Ukraine militarily, but leaving the country as a pile of smoking rubble is not what she wants. There seems to be a dream of neutralizing the big-picture Western threat associated with Ukraine while still preserving some slavic brotherhood. This is an almost impossible compromise but Putin has been willing to risk it. A side effect of this plan is that it makes Russia look weak (maskirovka) and allows this war to continue slowly. That pace allows Russia to clean out as many highly dangerous Nationalist elements as possible while also allowing Russia to continue building military strength. The West probably likes the slow war because the bean counters believe it is gradually bleeding Russia economically. From this perspective the West is being patient to allow the sanctions to do their work.
The escalation promoted by bad souls like Hodges will probably lead to Russia switching to a different style of warfare. If Russia needs to step up the pace, she can simply start heavy aerial bombing of cities. People have wondered why this hasn't happened, since it was an essential part of Western campaigns in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Serbia. Russia hasn't done so because it combines attacks on militarily important infrastructure with large scale killing of civilians penned up in cities. They have not been prevented by the moderate Ukrainian air defenses or air force. If Hodges has his way, Russia could be forced into destroying major cities and probably quickly.
For Russia the acceptability of this option has actually increased over time. Initially they didn't really want to do it. They also would have incurred serious aircraft losses taking out air defenses. Most importantly, early in the war many Russian citizens would hate it, so the fifth columns would have a lot of angst to work with. By now a lot more people in Russia realize that some countries in the West really do want to crush Russia. These people recognize what this would mean for the lives of Russian citizens caught in that process. So at some point soon, many people may stand up and say, why are we saving these fools in Kiev and putting our lives and civilization at risk? Then we may see VVS (Russian Air Force) take the gloves off. The strikes up to now have been modest. If the Russian air force implements serious bombing strikes a lot of Ukrainian civilians will be killed. Last year, many Russians would have said "Kremlin bad". Now they may say, "Good riddance".
War is all about unleashing the monster inside humanity. This is a very dangerous game in the modern world.
If the West decides to respond aggressively to this style of air warfare instead of calling off this bloody debacle, tactical nuclear weapons might be next up on the menu for Russia.Replies: @sudden death, @Beckow, @LatW
I don’t particularly seek out his presentations, but since you linked this, I just explained why he is thinking in those terms. And that it corresponds to some things that the Ukrainian military are saying. There is nothing convincing or not convincing there. I watch only Ukrainian military experts (who are not only smart, but also very well informed about what is going on on the ground, down to minutia, because frankly the lives of their friends depend on this) and some Russian dissident as well as Z channels. I don’t even read the Western twitter experts (even though some of them make sense).
I doubt either the Democrat communists or Trumpists would select him. I also believe that he is at heart a soldier and not a politician. He’s just another Scots Irish hard*ss, these are the types who built America, I don’t know why you are so surprised that they still exist. It’s the founding stock.
The RusFed political leadership and the Z public were advised against invading non-Donbas Ukraine and starting a large scale war by General Ivashov. They were too full of themselves to listen to this elder.
I repeat – we were drinking champagne with them as late as 2020. The pipe was still going in 2021. They had their cake and were eating it too. You do realize that Russia got away with annexing Crimea, violently occupying a large part of Ukraine but the West still accepted and wanted Russia. The West did not care at all about what had happened in Ilovaisk. And they had their nails deeply into Donbas so that Ukraine could not join NATO formally. But they gave up everything that Peter created.
Kalibr strikes are modest? Strikes on residential buildings with missiles that were intended for aircraft carriers are modest? If this fell on the house were your wife or mother live, would you call it modest as well? Do you realize that a lot of it is intercepted by the Ukrainian air defense and that damage would be much worse if Russia had had their way as they intended?
The destruction could be much worse than the terrible death and damage we have seen. More like Mariupol and Bakhmut but everywhere. A large bomber can carry many bombs each more powerful than a Kalibr. They are not necessarily precise so many bombs may be dropped to take out a finite target.
It is clear that Ukraine and the West were preparing to fight Russia in Ukraine for a long time. Russia was preparing to fight as well. The Russians picked the time. It seems that even General Ivashov was not told the reason for the timing. Maybe we will find out some day.
My point is that Hodges' is working to get Americans to deliver more weapons to Ukraine and probably troops while downplaying the risk of nuclear escalation. Of course you like his message.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Did carpenters make better wages than teachers in Palestine in year 0?
They do in my neighborhood right now. Even discount carpenters from Mexico.
I think you are underestimating the alarm there would be in Washington after a very big battlefield bang signifying the Russians were stepping on the nuclear ladder of escalation. The US would be in a quandary
Not permission, its a chain of command. The three most senior officers who control tactical nuclear weapons and would have to execute an order from Putin to use one have been assigned to command the Russian forces in Ukraine. There are now both battlefield nuclear warheads and missiles they can be used with in Belarus; so much for this ponderous movement of warhead to the missiles from widely repositories that would give the West some warning.
NATO doctrine was to use theatre thermonuclear weapons to stop a Warsaw Pact offensive. One recently retired general in the 80s said he would have requested to use them within hours of a Soviet attack. When he was a Nato general Ben Hodges would have approved use of theatre thermonuclear weapons if necessary but he always seems to find reasons to think the Russian generals probably would not.
America is not going to fight a nuclear war over Ukraine–it just isn’t.
I don't think applying 1980s doctrines makes sense here (only for comparison maybe). In the 1980s, the Soviet side was actually planning on fighting a nuclear war - after the strikes on Europe, the Soviet and Warsaw pact forces would go into Central and Western Europe and occupy parts of it (the Soviet planners wanted people like my dad along with Poles and other nationalities to go into a contaminated territory and fight there). Today, I'm not sure the Russian Federation has such plans (or even means to do so). The Ukrainians have said they will continue fighting.
If this is only meant to scare Americans, then, yes, maybe they'll achieve their goal. All I was saying was that you cannot count a 100% that there would be no retaliation - there could be. At that point the RusFed will be completely isolated (because China will not like this to put it mildly), and there is a possibility that their military would be decimated. In this scenario, they are simply lucky because there would probably be no significant army which would want to enter RusFed at that point.
This is simply not rational.Replies: @QCIC
All wars are barbaric - so far Russia has been a lot less ruthless and barbaric than Nato was in their wars. A lot less, Iraqi civilians were killed in hundreds of thousands, and people in the West were gleefully celebrating (please, don't resort to casual racism to dismiss it - it is ugly, people are people). They are threatening each other. Leaving the ABM treaty, placing missiles on Russian borders, moving into Ukraine have been much more real threats than what Russia has belatedly said. The only people who actually used nukes are running Nato, so by your logic the people in those countries have no human rights? You the crazy one - the hatred and desperation has made you so, You are losing an aggressive war that you didn't have to fight - a war of choice for the West, they didn't have yo move into Ukraine - that often drives people mad.
You are a sad spectacle old woman, living your revenge fantasies and watching them turn to dust. You should have stayed with your Waffen SS memorials, it was stupid but harmless.Replies: @LatW
I simply asked you to elaborate and explain how this direct NATO-Russia confrontation would play out. Where is the factual evidence for it? Especially since people are claiming that it is inevitable, imminent, etc.
The problem is that “Russian territory” is a very blurred concept right now (they must have made it that way on purpose). They announced the newly occupied territories as theirs, unilaterally, while the international law does not recognize this. If you believe that this is an acceptable MO in Europe in the 21th century (occupy land and then use that to escalate further), then please be the first to subject your own country to it and then talk.
Ukraine is in full right to target those territories aggressively and recover them, and not only that, afaik, by international law, Ukraine is allowed to strike military targets within Russia. Because those targets are used to attack their civilians. Any normal country would do this as the first thing. This is the kind of a mess you create when you invade because the laws of war, the boomerang effect comes into play. These are very basic, primitive laws of Nature.
Besides, Russia could use nukes even without NATO soldiers ever being on any Ukrainian territory much less the East. Them using nukes is not contingent upon NATO soldiers physically being there, but by how the war goes.
Ok, whatever, you want to throw ad hominems at me, I don’t really care (that simply shows you have run out of ammo, I could say things about you, too, but I will not fall to that level). I just want people to answer for their words. The words and statements are far out. When you talk smack about Poles and Latvians, you will be answering for that.
Russians were worried about a Ukrainian Operation Storm in the Donbass (which, FWIW, I think would have been a very stupid Ukrainian thing to do) but even that problem could have been solved by sending Russian peacekeepers into the Donbass (which Russia actually did on the eve of the invasion) and outright annexing the Donbass.
Had Ukraine joined NATO back in 2008, would there have been a huge push to submit this question to a popular referendum in Ukraine? Back then, something like 40+% of Ukrainians actually viewed NATO as a threat while less than 20% of Ukrainians viewed NATO as protection.
Karlin’s therapy has begun
https://twitter.com/Kharkuu96/status/1678155008552890369?s=20
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What does even “worried” mean in this context? When you occupy a territory, you do not “worry” – you hold it with full force. You own it or not. Apply full force – and then sleep peacefully at night. If you are unable to carry that through, then don’t commit to occupying another country’s territory in the first place.
From the point of view of the RusFed General Staff and officers – easily.
But the problem is that all those other players – militia men, the FSB, all sorts of oligarchic and smaller looters – they always end up having the most ridiculous internal fights in these occupied territories. Thus everything goes to hell and they end up shooting each other. Unfortunately, the local population suffers.
Here is a decent piece of analysis from a Western source, re: Ukrainian strategy:
https://samf.substack.com/p/attrition-before-breakthrough
BTW, on the topic of Central Asians, the Baltics would have very likely had astronomically more of them had Russia avoided Communist rule in 1917 and not had a propiska system. As some of the most prosperous parts of Greater Russia (assuming that they would have remained a part of Russia in this scenario, which appears likely because Russia would be less dictatorial, oppressive, and totalitarian in such a scenario), the Baltics would likely be very attractive to Central Asians who are seeking a better life. And of course Central Asia itself would also likely remain a part of Russia in this scenario.
The Baltics could have also had many more Slavic migrants even in comparison to real life in this scenario.Replies: @LatW
What is Zuck’s nefarious plan with LLaMa?
This was actually fairly interesting.
Sleboda seems to have the exact same ideology as Berletic: US bad, Russia/Iran/China good. Anyone who fights against Russia/Iran/China is either a Nazi or someone who has been brainwashed by the US. While some mistakes have been made, everything is going according to plan for Russia and Ukraine is on the verge of collapse.
So there is a lot of bias but Sleboda’s analysis of the military situation was informative. I’m not convinced the situation is as rosy for the Russians as Sleboda says, but he did a good job of explaining the general situation at the various key sectors
And why do you think it was done ?
In the later 20th century, the USSR's economy had one of the world's leading science and technology, hi-tech and education system. By early 2000s Russia is already mainly a resource extraction economy, with declining education system and relatively small potential for hi-tech industry. The high level of 1990s asset stripping of the Soviet human resources, is significant part of this story. Aside from the demographic timebomb discussion in Israel, economic value of emigrants, was at least tens of billions of dollars. In the previous epochs Soviet governments had carefully regulated to prevent emigration from the USSR, especially including the skilled workers. If you look at documentary film about Kiryat Gat of 1992, in the year after the collapse of the USSR, they already rapidly move the Soviet engineers to live in trailer parks. This is already in 1992, less than a year after the end of the USSR, the international investors are monetizing trailer park Soviet emigrants for probably quite low cost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-s-d8l2sgNot so differently than the postsoviet space, Israel also has one of the world's largest braindrains, with a large part of their natively educated engineers are always emigrating and this is weakening the human resources. Moving the Soviet engineers into Israel, has probably a significant part of the saving of Israel's economy. As in the 1980s, they had a very bad economic situation. The artificially engineered antisemitism production of 1980s/1990s, including the intelligence agents like Dugin and Zhirinovsky? It's also possible Israel was only unintentionally lucky as result of this, as often in history is like this. In addition, the economic crisis in the 1980s/1990s could have been sufficient to create the emigration wave without needing the antisemitism production of 1980s/1990s. Some explanation could be the internal conflict between the security services, business interests. Conflict of security services including with Jewish demographics in the USSR. We would need to discuss more of details of the politics in the 1980s and what are the different conflicts in the elite in this time. Also, why these conditions change immediately at time of Putin, when they turn it off?Replies: @QCIC
NATO doctrine was to use theatre thermonuclear weapons to stop a Warsaw Pact offensive. One recently retired general in the 80s said he would have requested to use them within hours of a Soviet attack. When he was a Nato general Ben Hodges would have approved use of theatre thermonuclear weapons if necessary but he always seems to find reasons to think the Russian generals probably would not. America is not going to fight a nuclear war over Ukraine--it just isn't.Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ
Where did I say that there would be no extreme alarm? Why do you assume that only the US would be alarmed? You think China, India, Turkey would somehow be less alarmed? Read my comment above where I said that this would turn into a global issue immediately.
I’m not saying they wouldn’t – everyone is now fully aware that there is a small possibility of that. If the world is ok with a nuclear country using nukes for regional purposes (the so called “escalate to deescalate”), that a nuclear country can invade another country and then threaten with nukes, then that world will see a proliferation of nuclear weapons.
I don’t think applying 1980s doctrines makes sense here (only for comparison maybe). In the 1980s, the Soviet side was actually planning on fighting a nuclear war – after the strikes on Europe, the Soviet and Warsaw pact forces would go into Central and Western Europe and occupy parts of it (the Soviet planners wanted people like my dad along with Poles and other nationalities to go into a contaminated territory and fight there). Today, I’m not sure the Russian Federation has such plans (or even means to do so). The Ukrainians have said they will continue fighting.
If this is only meant to scare Americans, then, yes, maybe they’ll achieve their goal. All I was saying was that you cannot count a 100% that there would be no retaliation – there could be. At that point the RusFed will be completely isolated (because China will not like this to put it mildly), and there is a possibility that their military would be decimated. In this scenario, they are simply lucky because there would probably be no significant army which would want to enter RusFed at that point.
This is simply not rational.
The point of the discussion of USA dropping out of nuclear treaties and NATO expansions is that leaving these treaties explicitly makes tactical nuclear war more likely, probably much more likely. It signals the intention of the USA and the West to use a perceived stronger position (military, political, economic) to pressure Russia with nuclear weapons and use them if required. America is always geographically isolated from Russian tactical nukes, so we are safe as long as there is some grey area which prevents escalation to the use of long range strategic nukes. The USA "missile shield" is largely intended to stop tactical nuclear missiles. It is easily possible that many senior officers are stupid enough to believe this actually works.
In the 1980's the USA had full plans to use tactical nukes in Europe. I think the deployment of the Pershing 2 missiles to counterbalance the SS-20 missiles was a pivotal moment. This scared the hell out of Europeans and led to the INF Treaty. You know, the same treaty the US dropped out of on a flimsy pretense after all sorts of other craziness.
Since the Neocons and Ukrainians have opened Pandora's box, you may learn all kinds of bad things. What will Russia do if the West puts nuclear-armed short range missiles in Latvia? I wonder will they go back to the neutron bombs or maybe dust off the chemical weapons designs?
It is madness. The Western meddling in Ukraine was always madness.Replies: @QCIC, @LatW
All the so called brutal “schock and awe” in Baghdad and elsewhere resulted in roughly seven thousand dead civilians during 2003 in all Iraq, this also less dead civilians than RF killed during 2022 in UA, therefore the talk about hundreds of thousands is intentionally misleading when comparing different timeframes and inability of RF to grab all the country.
In this particular case, I prefer to believe Celsus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Word
He wrote that young Jesus joined a mystical brotherhood in Egypt and has “learned magic” there.
It makes perfectly sense, the family of Jesus emigrated to Egypt shortly after his birth. The reason given for their emigration in the Gospels is of course laughable, the reasons for emigrating were either economic or personal. The Jewish immigrants to Egypt at the time often settled in Alexandria, which was a cosmopolitan Megapolis, the second most important city in the Roman Empire and was mostly Jewish and Greek, with Jews of Alexandria being mostly Hellenistic.
Later on, his parents (and probably his brothers and sisters) went back home, but he might have stayed behind or just returned to the place of his childhood, while his aging father stayed in his home land. Interestingly, the Gospels mention Jesus coming back home, mention his mother, but do not mention his father. Probably Joseph has died after coming back home and Jesus came back when his father was dead.
https://godinallthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/magic-jesus.jpgReplies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke
Completely agreed with your analysis here.
https://samf.substack.com/p/attrition-before-breakthroughReplies: @Mr. XYZ
Thanks!
BTW, on the topic of Central Asians, the Baltics would have very likely had astronomically more of them had Russia avoided Communist rule in 1917 and not had a propiska system. As some of the most prosperous parts of Greater Russia (assuming that they would have remained a part of Russia in this scenario, which appears likely because Russia would be less dictatorial, oppressive, and totalitarian in such a scenario), the Baltics would likely be very attractive to Central Asians who are seeking a better life. And of course Central Asia itself would also likely remain a part of Russia in this scenario.
The Baltics could have also had many more Slavic migrants even in comparison to real life in this scenario.
Do you think the likes of Cedric Leighton and the two Aussie military regulars on CNN are actually better?
Knowing very well beforehand what the results will be, ie the murder, rape, untold violence upon Euros, doing this sort of thing (ie deliberately importing Sub-Saharan Africans into Europe) is criminal and always has been.
They say the ‘mixing’ and resulting breeding out (ie genocide in the truest sense of that often much abused term) is ‘inevitable’, but this is not so. It is only inevitable in their circular thinking, self-fulfilling prophetic, disingenuous, delusional, and hatred consumed minds.
It is only inevitable when you have an economic and political system, ie progressive Multi-Culturalism, which is wage slavery (‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’) based. It is only inevitable when you are consciously ‘seeding’ different groups amongst others, as here, under a flimsy cover of often faux ‘asylum seeking’ and ‘refugees’, a situation that to the extent it is real your own policies created. It is only inevitable when legally and extra-legally (ie violent state sanctioned mobs) you suppress natural resistance to it.
In other words, it’s not inevitable at all, but this destruction is rather unnaturally and deliberately being made to happen.
In the short term peoples who wish to survive must find a way to do so.
In the longer term there needs to be a separation between those who think organic peoplehood exist and has a right to do so and those who don’t. For the arrogant and pompous latter, that is the ultimate nightmare scenario, as it would mean for once in their lives having to squarely face the consequences of their own actions, something which is simultaneously both the best and worst thing that could ever happen to them, and, of which they would no doubt bitterly resist.
NATO doctrine was to use theatre thermonuclear weapons to stop a Warsaw Pact offensive. One recently retired general in the 80s said he would have requested to use them within hours of a Soviet attack. When he was a Nato general Ben Hodges would have approved use of theatre thermonuclear weapons if necessary but he always seems to find reasons to think the Russian generals probably would not. America is not going to fight a nuclear war over Ukraine--it just isn't.Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ
A nuclear war? No. But a conventional war in response to Russia using nukes in Ukraine? Possibly Yes. Then Russia might be too chicken to use nukes against all of NATO. The cost of losing tens of millions of Russian lives simply wouldn’t be worth it to any rational Russian leader.
One has to consider what the mindset of the Russians would be in the aftermath of them crossing the Rubicon by using a nuclear weapon in proximity to their motherland, and whether the US would dare assume it had escalatory dominance over the Kremlin once it had actually supplied proof of its total commitment to not being bested in Ukraine. Once you go nuclear you go nuclear for good and you know it. Given Russia's propinquity and it had already used a nuclear weapon on Ukraine not on any NATO member country, on being attacked by America the Kremlin would be more like to be in a 'so be it' mood than in fear. Any punishing attack in Ukraine or elsewhere in the region by land sea or air US conventional armed forces on Russian armed forces would be likely to run into a Russian nuclear strike. Nullifying an enemy's conventional offensive is what nuclear weapons are for.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
I would say that they are substantially worse. There is a difference between heavy bias and just complete detachment from reality
The results of strikes so far have been horrible. War is hell, that is why we work hard to avoid it. People cannot survive high explosives.
The destruction could be much worse than the terrible death and damage we have seen. More like Mariupol and Bakhmut but everywhere. A large bomber can carry many bombs each more powerful than a Kalibr. They are not necessarily precise so many bombs may be dropped to take out a finite target.
It is clear that Ukraine and the West were preparing to fight Russia in Ukraine for a long time. Russia was preparing to fight as well. The Russians picked the time. It seems that even General Ivashov was not told the reason for the timing. Maybe we will find out some day.
My point is that Hodges’ is working to get Americans to deliver more weapons to Ukraine and probably troops while downplaying the risk of nuclear escalation. Of course you like his message.
…“so called brutal bombing”….wow, you are quite pathetic.
And that’s all you have got? Pretending that timeframes were different (they always are) or that the numbers were “less”? Good one, buddy, no wonder you guys have to twist and shout, hide things, lie and escape into minutia (like that fool AP).
Nato’s record is horrific: they started 3 or 4 wars (“aggressions”, “invasions”), the Western societies cheered them on and celebrated the slaughter from Beograd to Baghdad, asking why they couldn’t kill even more. Now you suddenly discovered morality and you are surprised nobody outside your inbred circle takes you seriously.
Jesus is a literary flourish by Greeks who closely observed the Jews.
Either that or the miracles and exorcisms were real and he resurrected. Lol.
I don't think applying 1980s doctrines makes sense here (only for comparison maybe). In the 1980s, the Soviet side was actually planning on fighting a nuclear war - after the strikes on Europe, the Soviet and Warsaw pact forces would go into Central and Western Europe and occupy parts of it (the Soviet planners wanted people like my dad along with Poles and other nationalities to go into a contaminated territory and fight there). Today, I'm not sure the Russian Federation has such plans (or even means to do so). The Ukrainians have said they will continue fighting.
If this is only meant to scare Americans, then, yes, maybe they'll achieve their goal. All I was saying was that you cannot count a 100% that there would be no retaliation - there could be. At that point the RusFed will be completely isolated (because China will not like this to put it mildly), and there is a possibility that their military would be decimated. In this scenario, they are simply lucky because there would probably be no significant army which would want to enter RusFed at that point.
This is simply not rational.Replies: @QCIC
Finally, a glimmer!
The point of the discussion of USA dropping out of nuclear treaties and NATO expansions is that leaving these treaties explicitly makes tactical nuclear war more likely, probably much more likely. It signals the intention of the USA and the West to use a perceived stronger position (military, political, economic) to pressure Russia with nuclear weapons and use them if required. America is always geographically isolated from Russian tactical nukes, so we are safe as long as there is some grey area which prevents escalation to the use of long range strategic nukes. The USA “missile shield” is largely intended to stop tactical nuclear missiles. It is easily possible that many senior officers are stupid enough to believe this actually works.
In the 1980’s the USA had full plans to use tactical nukes in Europe. I think the deployment of the Pershing 2 missiles to counterbalance the SS-20 missiles was a pivotal moment. This scared the hell out of Europeans and led to the INF Treaty. You know, the same treaty the US dropped out of on a flimsy pretense after all sorts of other craziness.
Since the Neocons and Ukrainians have opened Pandora’s box, you may learn all kinds of bad things. What will Russia do if the West puts nuclear-armed short range missiles in Latvia? I wonder will they go back to the neutron bombs or maybe dust off the chemical weapons designs?
It is madness. The Western meddling in Ukraine was always madness.
Either the West and Ukraine capitulate or Russia has to keep going as long as she can. Even if Russia wants to stop, it is clear the West has not learned any lesson about Russian security interests or had a change of heart. So the West will inevitably start this again. One thing which could stop the West might be economic collapse, but history suggests that can make war more likely not less. If the West and Ukraine actually stop, that is an ACTION to which Russia can show reciprocity. Since the West has bombed many countries for no obvious reason and broken major treaties any motion to stop fighting by Russia is a form of capitulation. It may come to that, but I think round two would simply go nuclear right away.
I believe you people are foolish and bloodthirsty with your primal view of how war and conflict are supposed to work. Of course you think I am blood thirsty, too. So be it, I can show you bloodthirsty. Maybe you Ukraine backers are right, full speed ahead, let's escalate! Then Russia can shoot 100 kiloton clean nukes at all the major Ukrainian cities: Kiev, Dnipro, Lvov, Kharkov, Odessa, you pick the others. All gone. This will kill five or ten million Ukrainians in a week and wrap this thing up. The fallout in Russia will probably not be any worse than Chernobyl. Easy peasy. Do you think the West will destroy itself over this?
This is what you are pushing toward, so I guess this is what you want. Morons.
The Black Sea fleet has been in Sevastopol since before the USA had a constitution.
It would be interesting to see a debate between Macgregor and Hodges. Unfortunately, I don't think they have enough common ground on Ukraine to have a productive conversation. I think the difference in rank would make a moderated Q&A difficult to set up.Replies: @Wokechoke
The Atlantic element of the Treaty should be the alliance’s watchword. It’s the Black Sea fed from the Don Dneiper and Danube. While Russia might not be Atlantic it certainly has a stake in what happens at the estuary of its principle river.
Every Beckow post has to include lies.
16 people were killed and 16 wounded when NATO bombed Belgrade, in the worst attack on Belgrade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force#April_23,_1999:_Radio_Television_Serbia_(RTS)_headquarters_bombing
Russians killed hundreds in bombings of Kharkiv alone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/17/kharkiv-bodies-human-toll/
There are a number of places were they can come into a conflict: Transnistria, Belarus, Black Sea, Kaliningrad, and a few others. That’s the evidence: a war and a map…:)…You are free to assume that it will not happen – I hope so – but the odds of a Nato-Russia direct confrontation are quite high, maybe 20-25%.
How would it play out? If both sides maintain calm and communicate it would be managed. But if some hot-heads take initiative and other hot-heads reciprocate, we would get an uncontrolled escalation. In the case of escalation the most vulnerable countries would be Poland and the Baltics. That is simply reality, if you find it offensive I can’t help you. You play with fire you can get burnt.
Yes, and nobody denies them that right. The question is whether they can do it and whether directly attacking Russia helps or is counter-productive. It looks like the offensive has stalled and attacking Russia strengthens the support in Russia for an all out war – as it would in US or anywhere else.
Russia will not use nukes in Ukraine so you are fighting a straw-man. The scenario where Russia would use nukes is very simple: a direct threat to the existence of Russian state. That would include Crimea but probably not the four Ukie provinces they are trying to annex…but it is impossible to know.
By the laws of war – if there is such a thing – when a country is actively helping one side, the other side can attack them. Nato treaty makes that tricky but not impossible. There are nuances and red lines, but if Russia tomorrow declares Poland or Latvia an enemy combatant, Nato would face a dilemma. You think you know how they would react, I am not so sure – Polish lives are not as valuable as British or Belgian lives. That’s the whole point of why we are having this war. You deny that reality at your own peril.
The point of the discussion of USA dropping out of nuclear treaties and NATO expansions is that leaving these treaties explicitly makes tactical nuclear war more likely, probably much more likely. It signals the intention of the USA and the West to use a perceived stronger position (military, political, economic) to pressure Russia with nuclear weapons and use them if required. America is always geographically isolated from Russian tactical nukes, so we are safe as long as there is some grey area which prevents escalation to the use of long range strategic nukes. The USA "missile shield" is largely intended to stop tactical nuclear missiles. It is easily possible that many senior officers are stupid enough to believe this actually works.
In the 1980's the USA had full plans to use tactical nukes in Europe. I think the deployment of the Pershing 2 missiles to counterbalance the SS-20 missiles was a pivotal moment. This scared the hell out of Europeans and led to the INF Treaty. You know, the same treaty the US dropped out of on a flimsy pretense after all sorts of other craziness.
Since the Neocons and Ukrainians have opened Pandora's box, you may learn all kinds of bad things. What will Russia do if the West puts nuclear-armed short range missiles in Latvia? I wonder will they go back to the neutron bombs or maybe dust off the chemical weapons designs?
It is madness. The Western meddling in Ukraine was always madness.Replies: @QCIC, @LatW
The problem is how to end it? It seems like a one way street.
Either the West and Ukraine capitulate or Russia has to keep going as long as she can. Even if Russia wants to stop, it is clear the West has not learned any lesson about Russian security interests or had a change of heart. So the West will inevitably start this again. One thing which could stop the West might be economic collapse, but history suggests that can make war more likely not less. If the West and Ukraine actually stop, that is an ACTION to which Russia can show reciprocity. Since the West has bombed many countries for no obvious reason and broken major treaties any motion to stop fighting by Russia is a form of capitulation. It may come to that, but I think round two would simply go nuclear right away.
I believe you people are foolish and bloodthirsty with your primal view of how war and conflict are supposed to work. Of course you think I am blood thirsty, too. So be it, I can show you bloodthirsty. Maybe you Ukraine backers are right, full speed ahead, let’s escalate! Then Russia can shoot 100 kiloton clean nukes at all the major Ukrainian cities: Kiev, Dnipro, Lvov, Kharkov, Odessa, you pick the others. All gone. This will kill five or ten million Ukrainians in a week and wrap this thing up. The fallout in Russia will probably not be any worse than Chernobyl. Easy peasy. Do you think the West will destroy itself over this?
This is what you are pushing toward, so I guess this is what you want. Morons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force#April_23,_1999:_Radio_Television_Serbia_(RTS)_headquarters_bombing
Russians killed hundreds in bombings of Kharkiv alone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/17/kharkiv-bodies-human-toll/Replies: @Beckow
2,000 civilians were killed in the Nato bombing of Yugoslavia in 2 months. “16?” are you actually a complete moron?
And stop with the “wiki” cherry-picked nonsense, it is a politicised website that is edited to support the Western neo-con policies. Use it for chemistry or math, but to quote wiki for the current events you have to be a complete idiot.
You stated Belgrad, I gave figures for Belgrad. 16 killed in the worst attack on that city. Russia skilled far more (Russian-speakers) in Kharkiv.
You were always a liar, but you are getting more and more stupid.
Yugoslav government estimated 1,200-2,500.
HRW claimed 600.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
I’m wealthy by Europoor standards but in the USA I’m at the bottom end of upper middle class, I’m not rich.
My father was born in Germany, grandparents in Ukraine. I spoke no English until I started school.
This is obsolete. Polish attitudes towards Ukrainians have steadily improved, and really improved as a result of the war:


Before the war, 41% of Poles liked Ukrainians and 25% disliked them.
Now, 51% of Poles like Ukrainians and 18% dislike them.
82% of Poles dislike Russians. Only 6% of Poles like them. Russians are the most disliked group in Poland. Arabas are in second place, lol. Followed by Belarussians and then gypsies.
Most popular peoples among Poles are Americans, Italians, Czechs, Slovaks, and then Ukrainians.
Before the war, Poles really liked Hungarians but now they dislike them.
Hungarians are now disliked (before they were very popular in Poland).
The question how this negative view should change in the next generation, when Ukraine will be NATO member and an EU country. While it's possible inside NATO to continue the dislike between countries, like Turkey and Greece. In the example of Turkey and Greece, they don't have a common enemy. It's possible inside the EU to continue the dislike between countries, as Poland is economically merging to Germany, but Poles still have some problems with Germany who are financing their country and being their employers. However, Poland and Ukraine will have a common enemy of Russia within NATO, unlike Greece and Turkey. In addition, they will be EU countries which become economically merging like Poland and Germany. As a result, you would expect the tribal hatred would dissolve. Although with Poland, it's also a nationalism which has more of the retrospective than prospective view, who have multi-generational memory.Replies: @AP
Dumb Beckow can’t read.
You stated Belgrad, I gave figures for Belgrad. 16 killed in the worst attack on that city. Russia skilled far more (Russian-speakers) in Kharkiv.
You were always a liar, but you are getting more and more stupid.
Yugoslav government estimated 1,200-2,500.
HRW claimed 600.
Hungarians are now disliked (before they were very popular in Poland).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
Poles dislike Russians more than Poles dislike Arabs! Epic fail on Russians’ part as a result of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine!
Belarusians are hated by Poles slightly more than Gypsies are hated by Poles nowadays. Likely thanks to Luka’s support of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
Poles hate Germans and French more for not helping out Ukraine enough?
Why do Poles slightly hate Jews more? I’m actually amazed and sad that ~25% of Poles hate Jews. 🙁 And here I wanted Judeopolonia to eventually become a reality again once Israel would have become overpopulated.
The destruction could be much worse than the terrible death and damage we have seen. More like Mariupol and Bakhmut but everywhere. A large bomber can carry many bombs each more powerful than a Kalibr. They are not necessarily precise so many bombs may be dropped to take out a finite target.
It is clear that Ukraine and the West were preparing to fight Russia in Ukraine for a long time. Russia was preparing to fight as well. The Russians picked the time. It seems that even General Ivashov was not told the reason for the timing. Maybe we will find out some day.
My point is that Hodges' is working to get Americans to deliver more weapons to Ukraine and probably troops while downplaying the risk of nuclear escalation. Of course you like his message.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Only in Russians’ imaginations. Just like a global Jewish conspiracy only existed in Hitler’s (and other anti-Semites’) imagination.
You stated Belgrad, I gave figures for Belgrad. 16 killed in the worst attack on that city. Russia skilled far more (Russian-speakers) in Kharkiv.
You were always a liar, but you are getting more and more stupid.
Yugoslav government estimated 1,200-2,500.
HRW claimed 600.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
How many were killed in Belgrade in total as a result of NATO in 1999? Not just in the single worst attack?
(Russia was worse for Ukraine relative to NATO for Serbia, though, no doubt.)
SJW Islamophile woke Hollywood is furious — Indy V and the Kathleen Kennedy self insert is losing at the domestic box office. This weekend they underperformed badly: (1)(*)
• Insidious: The Red Door — $10,242/theater
• Sound of Freedom — $6,172/theater
• Indy V & the Dial of Bankruptcy — $5,761/theater
The Islamophile SJW Muslim media is creating conspiracies about Christian backed film that raises awareness about child trafficking. This is the same media that gave 4 stars to the French Muslim film ‘Cuties’ sexualizing underage girls. (2)
Could it be that “Team Epstein Island” has a SJW Muslim agenda?
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/weekend/2023/07/07#box_office_weekend_table=od8
* Xiāo Shī De Tā (消失的她) was mathematically #1 per theater, but only appeared on 62 screens in the U.S. & Canada, compared to 2,900+ for the major releases
(2) https://instapundit.com/594074/
He wrote that young Jesus joined a mystical brotherhood in Egypt and has "learned magic" there.
It makes perfectly sense, the family of Jesus emigrated to Egypt shortly after his birth. The reason given for their emigration in the Gospels is of course laughable, the reasons for emigrating were either economic or personal. The Jewish immigrants to Egypt at the time often settled in Alexandria, which was a cosmopolitan Megapolis, the second most important city in the Roman Empire and was mostly Jewish and Greek, with Jews of Alexandria being mostly Hellenistic.
Later on, his parents (and probably his brothers and sisters) went back home, but he might have stayed behind or just returned to the place of his childhood, while his aging father stayed in his home land. Interestingly, the Gospels mention Jesus coming back home, mention his mother, but do not mention his father. Probably Joseph has died after coming back home and Jesus came back when his father was dead.Replies: @Mr. Hack
What did the very erudite polyglot Celsus actually write about Jesus’ time studying with this band of Egyptian magic enthusiasts? Did he rely on eyewitness accounts? Who was the main teacher of this band of illusionists and pransksters?
Myth + Your Mind = Eyewitness AccountReplies: @Mr. Hack
You stated Belgrad, I gave figures for Belgrad. 16 killed in the worst attack on that city. Russia skilled far more (Russian-speakers) in Kharkiv.
You were always a liar, but you are getting more and more stupid.
Yugoslav government estimated 1,200-2,500.
HRW claimed 600.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
No point in discussing anything with you if you try to hide behind transparent lies like “oh, I meant only Beograde” and “I thought we were only considering the single worst attack…”
If you really argue on that level, and think that we don’t see the complete idiocy of trying to hide behind weasel words, you are probably in a wrong place.
The number of killed civilians by Nato was around 2k. Is that something you are proud of? Since you try to evade it so desperately. You are truly a moron.
You wrote: "The brutality of that campaign, blowing up everything from moving trains to TV stations, downtown Beograd etc…was significantly worse than Russian bombing has been so far"
Since you mentioned Belgrade, I pointed out that in Kharkiv the Russians with their bombs killed hundreds of people Kharkiv, compared to 30 (?) killed in Belgrade.
BTW the UN estimates 500 civilian deaths in Yugoslavia from NATO :
https://www.icty.org/en/press/final-report-prosecutor-committee-established-review-nato-bombing-campaign-against-federal
For the purposes of this report, the committee operates on the basis of the number of persons allegedly killed as found in both publications. It appears that a figure similar to both publications would be in the range of 500 civilians killed. 500. 500 in Yugoslavia is less than 9,000 confirmed killed in Ukraine (UN states actual number is much higher but cannot be conformed because UN doesn't have access).
Perhaps you are too dumb to understand that 5,000 is less than 9,000?Replies: @Beckow
So to avoid losing a fistfight he is taking an unexpected beating in, a big man pulls a gun and shoots his smaller opponent , whereupon the shot man’s huge friend who has an openly carried gun on him steps forward and says ‘I am going to knock your teeth out for that’. ‘ Hmmm.
It would be America acting alone that attacked Russia, no other NATO member would countenance such an act, especially as Germany especially and even France and Britain would be a tempting target for a nuclear strike as Russia and the US went tit for tat up the nuclear escalation ladder but not up to hitting each other’s cities. The countries of NATO want to be defended by America and its conventional forces backed by unmatched industrial and economic power plus a overkill arsenal of nuclear weapons so they don’t have to fight any kind of war or pay for armed forces of their own.
One has to consider what the mindset of the Russians would be in the aftermath of them crossing the Rubicon by using a nuclear weapon in proximity to their motherland, and whether the US would dare assume it had escalatory dominance over the Kremlin once it had actually supplied proof of its total commitment to not being bested in Ukraine. Once you go nuclear you go nuclear for good and you know it. Given Russia’s propinquity and it had already used a nuclear weapon on Ukraine not on any NATO member country, on being attacked by America the Kremlin would be more like to be in a ‘so be it’ mood than in fear. Any punishing attack in Ukraine or elsewhere in the region by land sea or air US conventional armed forces on Russian armed forces would be likely to run into a Russian nuclear strike. Nullifying an enemy’s conventional offensive is what nuclear weapons are for.
Preparing to fight. I don’t know about planning but that seems likely. There have been descriptions of diverse Western and NATO military involvement in Ukraine long before 2014. We know the CIA was involved in Ukraine before the USSR dissolved. Obviously things start small and build up and progress over time. This is a standard imperial approach for millennia so there is no need to pretend otherwise.
Too bad that the US couldn't convince many Ukrainians to stop having a Sovok mentality. For that, Putin himself was ironically required.
https://godinallthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/magic-jesus.jpgReplies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke
“Eyewitness accounts” from 2000 years ago, LOL!
Myth + Your Mind = Eyewitness Account
https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_114836/subcat_180671/dqpYAQRT_1010221241111gpadd.jpegReplies: @Wokechoke
If the CIA was involved in Ukraine prior to 1991, then that was certainly a great investment! As was the several billion that the US spent there in democracy promotion in the 1991-2014 time period.
Too bad that the US couldn’t convince many Ukrainians to stop having a Sovok mentality. For that, Putin himself was ironically required.
One has to consider what the mindset of the Russians would be in the aftermath of them crossing the Rubicon by using a nuclear weapon in proximity to their motherland, and whether the US would dare assume it had escalatory dominance over the Kremlin once it had actually supplied proof of its total commitment to not being bested in Ukraine. Once you go nuclear you go nuclear for good and you know it. Given Russia's propinquity and it had already used a nuclear weapon on Ukraine not on any NATO member country, on being attacked by America the Kremlin would be more like to be in a 'so be it' mood than in fear. Any punishing attack in Ukraine or elsewhere in the region by land sea or air US conventional armed forces on Russian armed forces would be likely to run into a Russian nuclear strike. Nullifying an enemy's conventional offensive is what nuclear weapons are for.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
More like simply dislodging the aggressive man’s fist from the other man’s body. Russia would be expelled from Ukraine. The US/West would not attack Russia proper. And there’s even a chance that the US/West would not try to solve Crimea and/or the Donbass through military force.
I didn’t realize you were a military expert (you definitely didn’t sound like one).
Tell me – who else would be vulnerable if there was an even bigger escalation…. who else… our one and only maybe…?
You do realize that taken together there are hundreds of thousands of professional troops, territorial guards and reserves in the Baltics and Poland? That’s just the natives, if you don’t count the NATO guest troops. So to face those troops Russia would need additional 200K well equipped and prepared soldiers at the very minimum, probably more. On top of those they have already in Ukraine. And as I said, work has been started on air defense as well.
Er…. where exactly is the evidence here? That’s why I asked you whether you are aware of the Russian troop positions (and size) in those areas.
For example, the number of troops in Transnistria is not high and they are not in an ideal shape – if Moldova had some balls, they could request Ukraine to liberate them (they won’t but imagine if they did) and then those Russian troops would be in trouble since they would be completely isolated. Belarus doesn’t want to fight. This is why it looks foolish when you throw such words around and brag about how “Russia could do this or that”. Yea, they could hypothetically do things, but if you insist they will do this or that, then you need to elaborate with facts. But you don’t have those.
The only thing that this kind of talk does is alienate people from Russia even more.
The point of the discussion of USA dropping out of nuclear treaties and NATO expansions is that leaving these treaties explicitly makes tactical nuclear war more likely, probably much more likely. It signals the intention of the USA and the West to use a perceived stronger position (military, political, economic) to pressure Russia with nuclear weapons and use them if required. America is always geographically isolated from Russian tactical nukes, so we are safe as long as there is some grey area which prevents escalation to the use of long range strategic nukes. The USA "missile shield" is largely intended to stop tactical nuclear missiles. It is easily possible that many senior officers are stupid enough to believe this actually works.
In the 1980's the USA had full plans to use tactical nukes in Europe. I think the deployment of the Pershing 2 missiles to counterbalance the SS-20 missiles was a pivotal moment. This scared the hell out of Europeans and led to the INF Treaty. You know, the same treaty the US dropped out of on a flimsy pretense after all sorts of other craziness.
Since the Neocons and Ukrainians have opened Pandora's box, you may learn all kinds of bad things. What will Russia do if the West puts nuclear-armed short range missiles in Latvia? I wonder will they go back to the neutron bombs or maybe dust off the chemical weapons designs?
It is madness. The Western meddling in Ukraine was always madness.Replies: @QCIC, @LatW
This is not as easy as you make it sound. And I wonder if you’re aware that there might be Russian nukes located already very close to Europe.
And so is the US.Replies: @Greasy William
BTW, on the topic of Central Asians, the Baltics would have very likely had astronomically more of them had Russia avoided Communist rule in 1917 and not had a propiska system. As some of the most prosperous parts of Greater Russia (assuming that they would have remained a part of Russia in this scenario, which appears likely because Russia would be less dictatorial, oppressive, and totalitarian in such a scenario), the Baltics would likely be very attractive to Central Asians who are seeking a better life. And of course Central Asia itself would also likely remain a part of Russia in this scenario.
The Baltics could have also had many more Slavic migrants even in comparison to real life in this scenario.Replies: @LatW
I’d have to look up what the rules were during the Tsar’s time, but there were not that many people from other provinces. I somehow doubt there would be that many more even with the rising urbanization, I’m not sure the Baltic German population would be all that open to this. But there would also be many more natives if it wasn’t for the WWI and the revolution / Civil War. Possibly twice as many even.
Even a surviving Tsarist Russia could have eventually liberalized in regards to this. And I doubt that the Baltic Germans would have remained the bosses of the Baltics indefinitely, especially in a republican Russia.
Look at the US with African-Americans. In the first half-century after the American Civil War, few African-Americans left the Southern US. But astronomically more of them did so in the 1910-1970 time period:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Percentage_of_African_American_population_living_in_the_American_South.png
And they primarily settled in the cities outside of the Southern US:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Black_Americans_1910_County.png/1920px-Black_Americans_1910_County.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Black_Americans_1970_County.png/1920px-Black_Americans_1970_County.png
Also, see this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/GreatMigration1910to1970-UrbanPopulation.pngReplies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke
But yes, I had watched a clip of that video, the one posted at Zerohedge, and it was very good. Tucker unadulterated. He even threw some jabs at Trump. It is _not_ Tucker's Twitter show, though. He made as bad a choice as DeSantis when selecting Twitter as his new platform. Most of his potential watchers have no way of following him if they don't resort to someone else reposting his twitter episodes, of which there have been none this past week, as far as I know. A total disaster.
In any case, DeSantis's campaign seems to be going the way of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Right now everything's pointing at a new Trump-Biden rematch and, in all likelihood, a similar outcome. But RFK keeps making more sense each time I listen to him. I thought he was a climate change nutter but his positions on most subjects are so sane that even Trump has acknowledged it. In a Trump-RFK match I'd have a serious problem making my choice.Replies: @AP, @A123, @Sher Singh
https://www.nixieworks.com/post/killing-of-a-sacred-cowhide-why-combat-boots-are-bad
https://www.nixieworks.com/post/lightfighter-rig-faq
Thing is that the Quest 4D is really popular across mil/SOF now.
So w/e
Physically cringed when I saw the mention of the Canadian MK3.
I have a pair.. & yea they weigh over 5lb a pair.
Everyone knows old school ‘combats’ are bad though – the MK3 is no longer issued.
You get $350 to buy your own – but still.
NATO was going to drop a tactical nuke on Soviet armour pouring through Kassel and the Fulda Gap. That was the doctrine.
Where is Russia’s Fulda Gap? Locate their Kassel?
And present-day NATO has its equivalent in the form of the Suwalki Corridor.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
The poll was “dislike” rather than “hate.”
1. A lot of the immediate post-war Stalinist government and its executioners and judges consisted of Jews. They often put Poles, including anti-Nazi resistance figures, to death. After Communism collapsed they fled to Israel to avoid investigation by the Polish government, and Israel refused to extradite them.
Here is an example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel
“Salomon Morel (November 15, 1919 – February 14, 2007) was an officer in the Ministry of Public Security in the Polish People’s Republic. Morel was a commander of concentration camps run by the NKVD and communist authorities until 1956.”
“Beginning in the early 1990s Morel was investigated by Institute of National Remembrance for war crimes and crimes against humanity, including the revenge killings[4] of more than 1,500 prisoners in Upper Silesia, most of whom were either native speakers of Silesian German or Polish political prisoners.[5][1][6][7] In 1996, he was indicted by Poland on charges of torture, war crimes, crimes against humanity and communist crimes.[3] After his case was publicized by the Polish, German, British, and American media, Morel fled to Israel and was granted citizenship under the Law of Return. Poland twice requested his extradition, once in 1998 and once in 2004, but Israel refused to comply and rejected the more serious charges as being false and again rejected extradition on the grounds that the statute of limitations against Morel had run out and that Morel was in poor health.[8] Polish authorities responded by accusing Israel of applying a double standard, and the controversy over Morel’s extradition continued until his death.[5]”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/israel-protects-concentration-camp-boss-1194791.html
“Israel protects concentration camp boss”
“Stalin’s policy was to put Jews in charge of camps. Their experiences during the Nazi Holocaust would mean that Germans and Poles held there could expect little mercy. More than half of the 3,000 prisoners at Swietochlowice were murdered or died there, according to PAP.”
“Dorota Boriczek, a camp survivor, remembers Salomon Morel as a barbaric and cruel man who, with his colleagues, was responsible for many killings of inmates. ”
2. Jews were trying to recover property of distant relatives who had perished during the Holocaust. Poland doesn’t mind returning property to Polish citizens but IIRC most of the Jewish ones involved really distant relatives, found through genealogy research, and claiming lots of valuable research in central Polish cities.
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Those factors feed into traditional anti-Jewish stereotypes.
Well, if there was not going to be any war or Soviet invasion of the West, then there would be no nukes dropped on the Fulda Gap.
And present-day NATO has its equivalent in the form of the Suwalki Corridor.
I never said you meant only Belgrade. Now you lie about what I wrote.
You wrote: “The brutality of that campaign, blowing up everything from moving trains to TV stations, downtown Beograd etc…was significantly worse than Russian bombing has been so far”
Since you mentioned Belgrade, I pointed out that in Kharkiv the Russians with their bombs killed hundreds of people Kharkiv, compared to 30 (?) killed in Belgrade.
BTW the UN estimates 500 civilian deaths in Yugoslavia from NATO :
https://www.icty.org/en/press/final-report-prosecutor-committee-established-review-nato-bombing-campaign-against-federal
For the purposes of this report, the committee operates on the basis of the number of persons allegedly killed as found in both publications. It appears that a figure similar to both publications would be in the range of 500 civilians killed.
500.
500 in Yugoslavia is less than 9,000 confirmed killed in Ukraine (UN states actual number is much higher but cannot be conformed because UN doesn’t have access).
Perhaps you are too dumb to understand that 5,000 is less than 9,000?
Thanks. Strikes me in regards to #1 that Israel should have seriously considered Poland’s request and possibly extradited him. I know that Israel allows even Jewish criminals to utilize its Law of Return for fear that they could be victims of an anti-Semitic justice system abroad, but it should not be used by criminals to escape justice if they can expect a fair trial back in their home countries. In regards to #2, these Jews can consider first applying for Polish citizenship and then demanding restitution and/or compensation for their lost property, but AFAIK Poland only allows people who or whose ancestors actually lived in Poland in 1920 or later to claim Polish citizenship. This is why I myself, for instance, cannot claim Polish citizenship. My paternal Jewish great-grandfather was actually kidnapped by the Bolsheviks during the Polish-Soviet War from his hometown in Sarny back when the Soviets were retreating from there. Apparently the Soviets felt that they needed more literate people and he was literate, so they just took him as a civilian prisoner of war. That’s the story that I was told, at least. But it seems accurate. Why else would he just abandon his family like that? Most of his family subsequently perished in the Holocaust, though, so ending up in the Soviet Union was ironically a blessing in disguise for him. And both of his then-future sons were still too young to fight in the Soviet military during WWII, thankfully. (One of his sons (my Jewish paternal grandfather) was born in 1928, the other one in 1936; he himself was born in 1896.) He did manage to reconnect with his two surviving brothers a couple of decades after the end of WWII, though. But Yeah, because of this, I myself apparently cannot claim Polish citizenship because none of my own ancestors actually lived in Poland after the end of the Polish-Soviet War. It’s a shame because EU citizenship would be highly desirable to add to my dual US and Israeli citizenships.
And present-day NATO has its equivalent in the form of the Suwalki Corridor.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
The worst single attack, on the radio station, killed 16 people. Another 3 (Chinese diplomats) were killed when the Chinese embassy was bombed. Those were the main ones, not may more were killed in Belgrade. So total of 20-30.
It was very stupid of Beckow to mention Belgrade specifically, it suffered very little compared to the Russian-speaking cities in Ukraine bombed by Russia.
Some of the deadliest attacks by NATO did not kill Serbs, but killed Albanian refugees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Albanian_refugees_near_Gjakova
“The Bombing of Albanian refugees near Gjakova occurred on 14 April 1999 during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, when NATO planes bombed refugees on a twelve-mile stretch of road between the towns of Gjakova (Đakovica) and Deçan (Dečani) in western Kosovo and Metohija, Yugoslavia, in what is now Kosovo. 73 Kosovar Albanian civilians were killed.[1][2] Among the victims were 16 children.”
One thing I never considered:
Urban Whites are probably 80%+ Democrat.
Meanwhile, most Asian or LatAm immigrants are only 65% or less.
They’re conservative compared to their neighbours but wignats demonize them anyway.
Crimea and Azov Sea is probably the Russian Fulda Gap.
Russia is obviously prepared to take mass casualties over Crimea. And deal mass casualties.
Russia is obviously prepared to take mass casualties over Crimea. And deal mass casualties.
And so is the US.
No Bolsheviks doesn’t have to mean the Tsar surviving. It could mean a liberal democratic Russia instead. Though it could get replaced by a Fascist dictatorship for several decades starting from the 1920s or 1930s as was the case in much of that region during this time in real life.
Even a surviving Tsarist Russia could have eventually liberalized in regards to this. And I doubt that the Baltic Germans would have remained the bosses of the Baltics indefinitely, especially in a republican Russia.
Look at the US with African-Americans. In the first half-century after the American Civil War, few African-Americans left the Southern US. But astronomically more of them did so in the 1910-1970 time period:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)
And they primarily settled in the cities outside of the Southern US:
Also, see this:
The Crimean Bridge, perhaps?
Urban Whites are probably 80%+ Democrat.
Meanwhile, most Asian or LatAm immigrants are only 65% or less.
They're conservative compared to their neighbours but wignats demonize them anyway.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Worth noting that *sub*urban whites were much more Republican 25 years ago compared to right now. As the Democrats lost working-class white voters, they gained suburban white voters to compensate for this.
Even a surviving Tsarist Russia could have eventually liberalized in regards to this. And I doubt that the Baltic Germans would have remained the bosses of the Baltics indefinitely, especially in a republican Russia.
Look at the US with African-Americans. In the first half-century after the American Civil War, few African-Americans left the Southern US. But astronomically more of them did so in the 1910-1970 time period:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Percentage_of_African_American_population_living_in_the_American_South.png
And they primarily settled in the cities outside of the Southern US:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Black_Americans_1910_County.png/1920px-Black_Americans_1910_County.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Black_Americans_1970_County.png/1920px-Black_Americans_1970_County.png
Also, see this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/GreatMigration1910to1970-UrbanPopulation.pngReplies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke
Without the Bolshevik seizure of power and the 1945 Allied victory the ‘race question’ and the feminism question may never have been settled in the same way. I think this makes predictions difficult.
Ukraine Clusterf*ck
And so is the US.Replies: @Greasy William
Lol no
Even a surviving Tsarist Russia could have eventually liberalized in regards to this. And I doubt that the Baltic Germans would have remained the bosses of the Baltics indefinitely, especially in a republican Russia.
Look at the US with African-Americans. In the first half-century after the American Civil War, few African-Americans left the Southern US. But astronomically more of them did so in the 1910-1970 time period:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Percentage_of_African_American_population_living_in_the_American_South.png
And they primarily settled in the cities outside of the Southern US:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Black_Americans_1910_County.png/1920px-Black_Americans_1910_County.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Black_Americans_1970_County.png/1920px-Black_Americans_1970_County.png
Also, see this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/GreatMigration1910to1970-UrbanPopulation.pngReplies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke
The Czars were Germanic dictators you oaf.
You must be wilfully stupid. Every country that possesses tactical nukes has a moment or scenario where they will use tactical nukes. It’s not going to be defending a bridge they built a few years ago. Tactical nukes are for dropping a on a concentration of advancing hostile troops. The issue is where.
Even if Congress maintained current levels of funding, they are up against the "nothing to buy" problem. Manufacturers cannot afford to tool up without multiple years of guaranteed orders. This also runs into the barrier of needing long term Congressional allocation.
Kiev aggression is unsustainable, largely due to logistics. It will collapse long before Russia needs to consider nukes.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/09/sunday-geopolitical-talks-biden-and-coons-admit-ukraine-almost-out-of-artillery-shells-no-strategic-nato-consideration-until-war-with-russia-ends/Replies: @Mr. Hack
It is worth keeping in mind the "reverse psychology" aspect of a country using tactical nukes to reduce the risk of escalation to strategic nuclear weapons by making a point or just killing off the problem before escalation occurs.
The nuclear risk is real since we don't really know the state of the Russian economy or of the US economy for that matter. Economic factors could play a role in military decisions.Replies: @Sean
Mainstream West de facto treated with contempt and didn’t recognize as equal those hostile personalistic regimes which also bombed Western citizens, gassed or ethnically physically cleansed their own undesirable elements in reach or were attacking neighbours, so chosen morality and its criteria was quite obvious even then, even if you don’t like it and would prefer such regimes to be left always completely untouchable in principle.
But why then all the hand wringing about past NSDAP agressions&killings coming from you constantly?;)
Fortunately, the idea of nuke use in Ukraine is moot. Kiev has no path to NATO and its supply situation is untenable. (1)
Note, the phrase “the U.S. stockpile … is now gone” is not quite correct. There are minimum levels required. The Executive branch cannot dip into those without a Declaration of War, AUMF, or other Congressionally approved purpose.
Even if Congress maintained current levels of funding, they are up against the “nothing to buy” problem. Manufacturers cannot afford to tool up without multiple years of guaranteed orders. This also runs into the barrier of needing long term Congressional allocation.
Kiev aggression is unsustainable, largely due to logistics. It will collapse long before Russia needs to consider nukes.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/09/sunday-geopolitical-talks-biden-and-coons-admit-ukraine-almost-out-of-artillery-shells-no-strategic-nato-consideration-until-war-with-russia-ends/
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.91c35558188d3eebb5c4d91a5a8c71b0?rik=zMD%2fGAz3xbk2WQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
Old habits die hard, eh kremlnstoogeA123?
Exactly. Thank god the USSR didn’t attempt to bum rush West Germany. Now an insane NATO is going to bum rush RusFed. Thanks Biden.
Germany was within an ace of creating a truly great and first integrated industrial space faring civilisation. The French, Belgians, Finns, Hungarians, Dutch, Danes, Norse, Italians, Croats, Swiss, Swedes, Balts, Spanish were actually invited to be part of it. Regimes like Churchill’s Roosevelt’s and Stalin’s dominated by a pack of Jews crippled Continental Europe in a jealous fit.
Myth + Your Mind = Eyewitness AccountReplies: @Mr. Hack
Jesus Christ was deceptive and used magical powers that he acquired while studying in Egypt in his youth…probably in India too! You’ve just entered:
This is a good quote. I agree there is a risk of losing the fear factor associated with tactical nuclear weapons. The problem is that we don’t know the escalation threshold from tactical nukes to strategic nuclear weapons. This also doesn’t factor in conventional dirty bombs (made from radioactive waste) which could lead to escalation. Dirty bombs are usually just a huge nuisance, but if done properly might be destabilizing. The furor over depleted uranium is not too far from the dirty bomb discussion. All of of this gets into potential escalation to the use of chemical weapons and bioweapons.
It is worth keeping in mind the “reverse psychology” aspect of a country using tactical nukes to reduce the risk of escalation to strategic nuclear weapons by making a point or just killing off the problem before escalation occurs.
The nuclear risk is real since we don’t really know the state of the Russian economy or of the US economy for that matter. Economic factors could play a role in military decisions.
Even if Congress maintained current levels of funding, they are up against the "nothing to buy" problem. Manufacturers cannot afford to tool up without multiple years of guaranteed orders. This also runs into the barrier of needing long term Congressional allocation.
Kiev aggression is unsustainable, largely due to logistics. It will collapse long before Russia needs to consider nukes.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/09/sunday-geopolitical-talks-biden-and-coons-admit-ukraine-almost-out-of-artillery-shells-no-strategic-nato-consideration-until-war-with-russia-ends/Replies: @Mr. Hack
Also, because Ukraine is not the aggressor in this war (since when is defending your own borders considered an act of aggression?), it should also be able to withstand Russia’s listless attacks. You still haven’t been able to figure this out (years of sniffing glue has taken its toll on poor kremlinstoogeA123’s ability to think clearly)?
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.91c35558188d3eebb5c4d91a5a8c71b0?rik=zMD%2fGAz3xbk2WQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
Old habits die hard, eh kremlnstoogeA123?
Denying that Poland-Baltics would be the most exposed in an all-out war is so stupid that one almost can’t react to it – it is baked into the situation, do you get geography and physical realities?
I don’t give a flying f..k about alienation, what does that even mean? I listed for you a number of places where escalation outside of Ukieland can happen – an escalation by any party, not only Russia. That can lead to a direct Nato-Russia conflict. You asked and I gave it to you.
Now you change your tune and claim that in all of them Nato has an upper hand. That’s not the point – in a direct war the number of troops behind every hill won’t matter, because the weaker side will escalate. If you are too emotional to comprehend that, I can’t help you.
So keep on cheering on the mad war, but it is not good for the Baltics. You can march with SS placards all you want – or pretend that it doesn’t exist, that is harmless fun for morons. But you are itching to go for the big war, do you understand what would happen? Can you see how quickly the Balts could turn into ashes among the first? Is your hatred for anything Russian so deep that you crave it?
You seem to be a mad woman (or man, who knows) who suffers from suppressed unquenchable hatred of Russia – not a good thing, sober up. Don’t deny the obvious, it looks stupid (leave that to AP and Hacks). Get a map.
All 8 billion humans should be willing to risk the effects of nuclear war to stop the Russian aggression because not doing so would be giving in to a dictator and somehow that's worse than nuclear war, it's better to fight him there than having to fight him here later, freedom is not free, etc. And besides, just look at those people suffering now, don't you have a heart? Perhaps the only line that would work with these people is convincing them that Ukraine would lose too in a nuclear war so we should try to avoid it in order to prevent the surviving Russians from occupying the Ukrainian radioactive ashes.
Go easy with your Nazi sympathies, it is in very bad taste.
If the West can decide who is worthy of bombing so can the others – that’s the nature of the game. Russia says with a good reason that Ukraine is influenced by the genocidial Nazi sympathizers – the Bandera thing that the West pretends not to see.
Your endorsement of the Nato attack on Serbia shows your true colors, it puts you outside rational discussion – even most Westerners are now embarrassed by it. But you seem ok with it based on some vague accusations than anyone can throw around.
Russia also says that it attacked Ukraine to prevent ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Russian minority living there – and what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander. Why do you complain? If it is all about who is stronger and they decide what the rules are, just accept it. If you endorsed Nato’s aggression, why do you object to Russia’s?
In Serbia Nato was stronger, in Ukraine it looks like Russia is stronger. Live with it.
You wrote: "The brutality of that campaign, blowing up everything from moving trains to TV stations, downtown Beograd etc…was significantly worse than Russian bombing has been so far"
Since you mentioned Belgrade, I pointed out that in Kharkiv the Russians with their bombs killed hundreds of people Kharkiv, compared to 30 (?) killed in Belgrade.
BTW the UN estimates 500 civilian deaths in Yugoslavia from NATO :
https://www.icty.org/en/press/final-report-prosecutor-committee-established-review-nato-bombing-campaign-against-federal
For the purposes of this report, the committee operates on the basis of the number of persons allegedly killed as found in both publications. It appears that a figure similar to both publications would be in the range of 500 civilians killed. 500. 500 in Yugoslavia is less than 9,000 confirmed killed in Ukraine (UN states actual number is much higher but cannot be conformed because UN doesn't have access).
Perhaps you are too dumb to understand that 5,000 is less than 9,000?Replies: @Beckow
Are you completely crazy? Nato killed 2,000 civilians in Serbia – and it happened first, thus establishing a kind of a precedent. They also killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, but you seem not to care for non-European lives.
Kiev killed 3,000 Russian civilians in Donbas – and 49 in Odessa in May 2014, don’t embarrass yourself further by defending it.
That happened before Russia started the war and also claimed that they are doing it to prevent ‘more killing of Russians in Ukraine”. We know that Nato unquestionably bombed and killed first, that puts any criticism from Nato-ids today on a very shaky ground – nobody rational takes it seriously when known thieves yell “thief, catch him!”
How many civilians are killed in each war depends on the ferocity of fighting – but the principle that Nato started it cannot be denied by anyone who understands how time works. Do you?
Many of whom were Albanians. A precedent for liberating a majority ethnic region such as Crimea. NATO didn’t remove territory with Serbian majority from Serbia.
This is too complicated for someone of your limited understanding? The total civilian death toll, including those killed by the Russians. You lie as usual.
You also lie by omission. Most of those killings occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021 about 9 were killed (2 of those, by the Russians).
So Russia did not invade to stop 3,000 getting killed, it invaded to stop 7 getting killed.
Russia has killed several thousand Russian-speaking civilians (Mariupol hasn’t been counted so the total number is probably 10,000s) in order to end circumstances in which 7 were killed. That was the total death toll in Odessa that day. The first of those 49 killed was a Ukrainian nationalist. You lie as usual as say Kiev killed him. So the lil lit my in Odessa was started by the pro-Russian side. It set a precedent for how things would go that day in Odessa.
Do you know how time works? Indeed. You believe that Russia killed thousands of Russian-speakers in Ukraine and destroyed their cities in order to prevent the killing of 7 (?) more Russians in 2022.
You are incredibly stupid to believe that.
Mendacity and stupidity - your essential traits, Beckow.
It reality the war was all about keeping Ukrainian from permanently leaving the Russian world.Replies: @Greasy William
And it’s laughable indeed, like Scholz very justifiably reacted when hearing such nonsense – and not because ethnic cleansing itself is laughable there, like moron Zolotov interpreted, but because it is absent in action. UA forces were not capturing all the military age male population after taking back Slavyansk and then shooting them all in the ditches like Milosevic backed forces did in the 90’s at the place like Srebrenica.
This line is not effective. I don’t think for a second that most EEs, or most citizens in former USSR countries, would prefer to suffer the consequences of a nuclear war to letting the Russians win. But one of the problems of unleashing a war is that people get extremely emotional. Innocent people are dying and suffering. A country occupying another one against the will of their inhabitants is objectively a very unjust situation. Cold logic doesn’t work too well in that situation and it’s not only the sample of Balts that we have here but you can even find some Americans still calling for no fly zones, sinking of Russian ships, etc, although this is subsiding lately.
All 8 billion humans should be willing to risk the effects of nuclear war to stop the Russian aggression because not doing so would be giving in to a dictator and somehow that’s worse than nuclear war, it’s better to fight him there than having to fight him here later, freedom is not free, etc. And besides, just look at those people suffering now, don’t you have a heart? Perhaps the only line that would work with these people is convincing them that Ukraine would lose too in a nuclear war so we should try to avoid it in order to prevent the surviving Russians from occupying the Ukrainian radioactive ashes.
Is the death count at Srebrenica any where close to the New York Times report? These things tend to get blown out of proportion.
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1677507456052920320?s=20Replies: @Mikel
That’s real bad. But who knows where Trump gets his own info from. Possibly not too different. And we do know where Biden gets his: the neocon permanent establishment. So, considering the alternatives, it’s not a deal breaker for me. What matters, in any case, is not how effectively he combats the MSM misinformation, a difficult task for everybody, especially in his generation, but what his stance on wars in general (not just Ukraine) and foreign policy are.
According to UN it was 500.
Many of whom were Albanians.
A precedent for liberating a majority ethnic region such as Crimea. NATO didn’t remove territory with Serbian majority from Serbia.
This is too complicated for someone of your limited understanding?
The total civilian death toll, including those killed by the Russians. You lie as usual.
You also lie by omission. Most of those killings occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021 about 9 were killed (2 of those, by the Russians).
So Russia did not invade to stop 3,000 getting killed, it invaded to stop 7 getting killed.
Russia has killed several thousand Russian-speaking civilians (Mariupol hasn’t been counted so the total number is probably 10,000s) in order to end circumstances in which 7 were killed.
That was the total death toll in Odessa that day. The first of those 49 killed was a Ukrainian nationalist. You lie as usual as say Kiev killed him. So the lil lit my in Odessa was started by the pro-Russian side. It set a precedent for how things would go that day in Odessa.
Do you know how time works?
Indeed. You believe that Russia killed thousands of Russian-speakers in Ukraine and destroyed their cities in order to prevent the killing of 7 (?) more Russians in 2022.
You are incredibly stupid to believe that.
Mendacity and stupidity – your essential traits, Beckow.
It reality the war was all about keeping Ukrainian from permanently leaving the Russian world.
Scholz did a rather stupid faux pa – even he knows it, it was the last straw before the war. So don’t double down on his stupidity. Kiev bombed its own cities in Donbas killing 3k civilians (official numbers) – if that is not sufficient as a casus belli, I am not sure what would be.
Imagine Madrid ordering bombing of Barcelona and murdering 3,ooo Catalans. Imagine UK bombing the Catholics in Ulster and killing 3k. It would lead to a war. Your denials are desperate – the atrocity stories in the Balkans were two-sided, all sides murdered the others. But if you take that as a sufficient reason to start a war and bomb Serbia to kill its civilians, how can you object to Russia doing the same?
The rules either apply to all equally, or there are no rules. Make a choice and stop hiding what you want to happen behind pretend virtue talk. It diminishes your argument. It is simple: Nato did it, and now Russia is doing it. Either denounce both, or accept that it is all about force. Unfortunately for the Ukies, Russia is stronger in that regiona and Nato is in no position to appeal to principles – they repeatedly broke them first.
You also leave out the fact that the reason for the 2,400 civilians killed by Kiev's forces was because Russia supplied and sent soldiers in order to create a violent uprising. Totally different circumstances, because Catalans weren't killing Castillian soldiers and police officers, nor were they getting armed by a foreign power. Really? Who would invade the UK in that case?
We don't have to imagine anything btw.
In Chechnya, Putin killed 10,000s of civilians. Nobody invaded Russia over it. Nobody, other than Chechen terrorists, bombed Moscow over it.
Do you make excuses for those terror attacks against civilians in Moscow, as you do for Russia's terrorism in Ukraine?
Ukraine Offensive – Already Failed? w/ Larry Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBMMOJqnjlgReplies: @Mr. Hack
Ukraine Offensive – Already Failed? Why no, its just barely into its first phase, with many Russian ammo and supply depots destroyed. What now Rashistas? – Mr. Hack.
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-ukrainians-overwhelm-russian-positions-in-klishchiivka/Great to see an American machine gun cutting down some Orcs. The SAW is the lawReplies: @Mikhail
Great discussion here with Dmitry Babich:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek6YOCV8Xgw
Here's another with Babich and Kiev regime lobbyist William Taylor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h83A_SloSj8Replies: @John Johnson
Larry C Johnson told us that Wagner drama was all elaborate 5d chess theater by Putin and Prigozhin was under control. Larry in fact said that Prigozhin was never short on ammo and all his complaints were just a ruse. A ruse for what exactly? He never explained. Of course Judge Napolitano only ass kisses these pro-Russian bloggers and won’t ask about their past claims.
Napolitano is another short man that is in the tank for Putin. Coincidence?
Some pretty good SAW action at Funker530
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-ukrainians-overwhelm-russian-positions-in-klishchiivka/
Great to see an American machine gun cutting down some Orcs.
The SAW is the law
Napolitano has regularly had on Jack Devine who spins more to your liking. Tony Shaffer is another regular who isn't pro-Putin or pro-Russian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FHM3gkWGzE He appears far more knowledgeable, intelligent and objective than yourself. Quite telling.Replies: @John Johnson
It is worth keeping in mind the "reverse psychology" aspect of a country using tactical nukes to reduce the risk of escalation to strategic nuclear weapons by making a point or just killing off the problem before escalation occurs.
The nuclear risk is real since we don't really know the state of the Russian economy or of the US economy for that matter. Economic factors could play a role in military decisions.Replies: @Sean
Those things have been gone into in exhaustive detail for six decades, and I think first use was a threat that both sides in the Cold War–though they never announced it–became progressively less willing to see a contingency in which they would actually first use. Kissinger said when brought in to educate newly elected President Reagan on the realities of nuclear weapons that he recommended never under any circumstances resorting to first use of a nuclear weapon.
The situation were the Russians to nuke the Ukrainian army is completely different to any scenario envisioned during the Cold War. There would be no ability by the nuked power to match a battlefield theater thermonuclear weapon use by Russia ( dirty bomb retaliation by Ukraine is surely out of the question as it would result in in unlimited devastation in mass Russian nuclear counter retaliation). The US has said it would not use nuke ‘but would do something. So the only real deterrent to Russia using a nuclear weapon against the Ukrainian army would be the prospect of some kind of American conventional punishment of the Russian armed forces.
For America to conventionally strike Russia (as punishment for them striking Ukraine with a theatre thermonuclear weapon) would be not similar to any kind of Cold War conventional clash. Firstly America would be attacking Russia without being attacked by it, and very unlike a Cold War conventional clash with both sides tacitly agreeing not to go nuclear, because Russia would have already crossed the first use Rubicon, not against a nuclear armed state but there would have done it. Like sex, after the first time it would get much easier. I am not saying that as things stand the idea of Russian nuke use is even being toyed with by Putin, however were he to carry out a battlefield nuking of Ukraine, then the US assessment of Russia’s propensity to go nuclear in a conventional conflict with US forces would instantly be alter to a very much higher order of probability.
Right now the US is free to bluff or believe it would do what it says it would if Russia detonated a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine’s army. Yet the non bluff would instantly be called into question when it ceased to be hypothetical. I don’t see America taking a decision for attacking Russia conventionally in a future not imagined as a scenario but the actual aftermath of such a tactically nuking occurrence. To put it another way, after Russia actually had did that to Ukraine there would be great uncertainty whether US military action against Russian forces would be an acceptable risk, as were a US operation to punish Russia to be stopped with a nuke the US would simply have to respond in kind and then Russia would too–and prolly up the ante into the bargain. As Brigadier Ryan says “It is in this dramatically changed context that the United States will have to decide how to respond.” One response might well be to close the war down, as the escalation by Russia that could be expected would be out of America’s control. If Putin was a gambling man he might well think nuke use is a way to reset and concentrate Western minds on a way to stop the war without reference to whether Russia is left having gained a net geopolitical advantage.
Russia using nukes in Ukraine would be like the USA dropping nukes in Japan. Probably unnecessary for tactical purposes, but effectively making a strategic point. I don't think Russia is mean enough to do it in Ukraine, but if they got cornered on the chessboard it might become the least bad option. It would be a temporary destruction of Ukraine so the West no longer had any interest in meddling there.
I subscribe to the theory that the USA nuked Japan simply to keep the USSR at bay in the far East. I think the USA was very close to using tactical nukes in Korea.
Naturally Russia would have some sort of "fig leaf" to give plausible justification for the use of tactical nuclear weapons and this might even be real, we just don't know. This justification could be a large concentration of Western troops and arms, actionable evidence of a Ukie dirty bomb or even a revival of targeted Slavic bioweapons developed in the USA-Ukrainian labs of Dr. Moreau. I think by their updated rules it only needs to be an existential threat to Russia.
One question is how much can Western sanctions and embargo be increased?
Don't forget that the French did an above ground nuclear test in North Africa and Russia did some on Novaya Zemlya and in Kazakhstan--not so far away from Europe. Meaning that there is a precedent.Replies: @Sean
At the time when RF started invading parts of UA at the start of 2014 (February-April) there were zero pro-RF civilian deaths, so all those crocodile tears about 3k dead are just fairy tales – it was aftermath of RF primary invasion, not the cause.
The only mistake Scholz did at Kremlin in 2022 before escalated secondary invasion attempt eight years later – wrongly assumed he was dealing not with mental aged chimpanzees, regarding both their agressiveness and stupidity levels;)
If that is true, why wait until Russia resupplies? You should strike while the iron is hot…
It seems the offensive has stalled. Phase two, whatever – not much if anything has been reconquered and the costs are high. Why would another attempt be more successful?
Kiev has two choices: keep on bleeding and losing, or make a deal. The deal will only get worse for the Ukies as time goes on. But their sponsors are not going to allow them to act rationally. It is the biggest cluster-fu..k caused by people misreading realities on the ground. You are still doing it.
Biden acknowledged the obvious about the US being out of ammo to give the Kiev regime which continues to get militarily decimated.
Great discussion here with Dmitry Babich:
Here’s another with Babich and Kiev regime lobbyist William Taylor:
https://time.com/6252541/inside-the-us-army-plant-making-artillery-shells-for-ukraine/Ritter also didn't mention that Russia has been using cluster ammo since the start of the war
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/28/haunting-footage-shows-apparent-cluster-bombing-kharkivSo what is the problem exactly? Ritter should spend more time reading about US production capacity instead of jerking off to Barely 16.Replies: @Mikhail
Great discussion here with Dmitry Babich:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek6YOCV8Xgw
Here's another with Babich and Kiev regime lobbyist William Taylor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h83A_SloSj8Replies: @John Johnson
Biden acknowledged the obvious about the US being out of ammo to give the Kiev regime which continues to get militarily decimated.
And in what kind of conflict would we need massive stocks of 155 mil artillery shells?
Ritter told us that we sold off all our manufacturing and no longer make anything.
US military to boost 155 production to 20,000 per month by spring
https://time.com/6252541/inside-the-us-army-plant-making-artillery-shells-for-ukraine/
Ritter also didn’t mention that Russia has been using cluster ammo since the start of the war
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/28/haunting-footage-shows-apparent-cluster-bombing-kharkiv
So what is the problem exactly?
Ritter should spend more time reading about US production capacity instead of jerking off to Barely 16.
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-ukrainians-overwhelm-russian-positions-in-klishchiivka/Great to see an American machine gun cutting down some Orcs. The SAW is the lawReplies: @Mikhail
Johnson didn’t say that. Rather, he said that Prigo’s stated opposition was sincere. When it became clear that he couldn’t succeed, Putin flipped Prigo for the purpose of trying to get possible Western Intel info from him, in addition to limiting bloodshed.
Napolitano has regularly had on Jack Devine who spins more to your liking. Tony Shaffer is another regular who isn’t pro-Putin or pro-Russian.
He appears far more knowledgeable, intelligent and objective than yourself.
Quite telling.
https://youtu.be/_XYiJjMS0A8?t=376Of course the judge won't ask him about those claims since he and Larry are both Putin fans. I don't have a 3 month memory like the American public. Larry C Johnson was wrong about Wagner and so was Moon of Alabama. Putin is not playing 5d chess. Promoting his chef with a criminal history to private warlord really was a bad idea.Folks if you catch your chef feeding your troops rotten meat don't help him develop his own private military force. Words to live by.
https://time.com/6252541/inside-the-us-army-plant-making-artillery-shells-for-ukraine/Ritter also didn't mention that Russia has been using cluster ammo since the start of the war
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/28/haunting-footage-shows-apparent-cluster-bombing-kharkivSo what is the problem exactly? Ritter should spend more time reading about US production capacity instead of jerking off to Barely 16.Replies: @Mikhail
Where’s the proof of Russia using cluster bombs? Meantime, it’s clear that the Kiev regime has used such in Donbass. Shaffer (in the video I posted) concurs.
Getting off topic to divert attention away from your sheer arrogance, ignorance, hypocrisy and bigotry. On the other hand, one can appreciate good insight and journalism away from what the likes of you spew. The world is often not perfect like the choices between Ritter (some put mildly embarrassing moments that nonetheless didn’t harm anyone) and some Western mass media journo with apparently no such past on record, who regularly tells lies and half truths to conform with the prevailing establishment preference.
Apparently the angst over certain cluster bombs is a high percentage of "dud" submunitions which do not explode as intended and become land mines. These particular 155 shells are known to have a lot of duds.
This is a bit odd since all sides also have artillery delivered mines. I think the main difference is these are designed to more reliably explode or fully dud themselves after a certain time so they are less dangerous to civilians cleaning up the mess after the dick measuring contest is over.Replies: @Wokechoke
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/styles/embed_xxl/public/media_2022/08/202208arms_ukraine_clustermunitions.jpg?itok=jxLACEILI found that in 5 minutes using Google. You are trying to avoid reality. The world is often not perfect like the choices between Ritter (some put mildly embarrassing moments that nonetheless didn’t harm anyone) and some Western mass media journo with apparently no such past on recordHe is a convicted sex criminal and that is why he sold himself to Russia. A real man would find a new line of work. Ritter however is an amoral attention whore and decided to sell his fradulent analysis skills to a homicidal dwarf. He was writing articles for RT.news before the war as the "US military expert" where they don't mention his conviction and that he is blacklisted in the US. If you don't like my posts then cry more. This isn't Russian State TV where dissenting views are suppressed. I can point out that Ritter is a convicted sex criminal all I want and it is relevant as he is not an unbiased source. Yes it was a sting operation but he did it twice and that is how sexual predators are caught.
https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_114836/subcat_180671/dqpYAQRT_1010221241111gpadd.jpegReplies: @Wokechoke
Either demonic magic or supernatural divinity. Pick one. The historical Jesus with Zionist Jewish characteristics that gets pushed these days is literally on no interest.
https://godinallthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/magic-jesus.jpgReplies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke
It’s worth noting that there’s no account of Jesus between his teenage years and his sudden appearance at age 30 in the NT. In Mark there’s literally nothing before he appears at 30~. Like a rabbit out of hat autogeneration. No CV or resume until after Mark.
That’s kinda strange. It’s a literary device in fiction. Starting in the middle of the action. But there’s clearly no attempt at backfilling the biography until later when questions started to be asked in the congregation about where this divine being appeared from. From a quill or stylus one is tempted to answer.
https://www.audiobooksloft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/the-icon-enlightenment-series-jesus-in-india-the-lost-gospels-300x300.jpg
Proof positive that he was learning magical spells and religious indoctrination in both Egypt and India.
Questions that I often ask myself. Alas, so far only somebody of your highly developed knowledge of military affairs has been able to spot a kindred spirit to your own. It’s too bad that neither you nor AP has been able to see the value that each brings to the discussion here. 🙂
I don’t believe anything from Kissinger or Reagan.
Russia using nukes in Ukraine would be like the USA dropping nukes in Japan. Probably unnecessary for tactical purposes, but effectively making a strategic point. I don’t think Russia is mean enough to do it in Ukraine, but if they got cornered on the chessboard it might become the least bad option. It would be a temporary destruction of Ukraine so the West no longer had any interest in meddling there.
I subscribe to the theory that the USA nuked Japan simply to keep the USSR at bay in the far East. I think the USA was very close to using tactical nukes in Korea.
Naturally Russia would have some sort of “fig leaf” to give plausible justification for the use of tactical nuclear weapons and this might even be real, we just don’t know. This justification could be a large concentration of Western troops and arms, actionable evidence of a Ukie dirty bomb or even a revival of targeted Slavic bioweapons developed in the USA-Ukrainian labs of Dr. Moreau. I think by their updated rules it only needs to be an existential threat to Russia.
One question is how much can Western sanctions and embargo be increased?
Don’t forget that the French did an above ground nuclear test in North Africa and Russia did some on Novaya Zemlya and in Kazakhstan–not so far away from Europe. Meaning that there is a precedent.
I watched a film attached to a Kiev soldier’s helmet in which he walks into a small forest with his unit, they fall into a Russian ambush and he inadvertently records his own death. Some would presumably call this “Ukraine shaping the battlefield”…
Some would presumably call this "Russians divided on Ukrainian artillery"
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-russian-assault-wave-smashed-by-artillery-and-grenades/
More FAIL from the White House occupant: (1)
The WUHAN-19 over reaction protected the Veggie-in-Chief from public view in 2020. They cannot do that anymore. And, it is clear that he is incapable in public.
They have to get rid of him… How? And, When?
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://ace.mu.nu/archives/405256.php
Oh, the memories. The horrible disturbing memories.
Ritter mentioned that both sides have used cluster bombs in an earlier video. I believe they are completely standard. Same as fire bombs, nuclear weapons and all the other demonic toys.
Apparently the angst over certain cluster bombs is a high percentage of “dud” submunitions which do not explode as intended and become land mines. These particular 155 shells are known to have a lot of duds.
This is a bit odd since all sides also have artillery delivered mines. I think the main difference is these are designed to more reliably explode or fully dud themselves after a certain time so they are less dangerous to civilians cleaning up the mess after the dick measuring contest is over.
They have to get rid of him... How? And, When?
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://ace.mu.nu/archives/405256.phpReplies: @QCIC
Joe and Charlie have probably been to Epstein/Maxwell soirees together back in the day.
Oh, the memories. The horrible disturbing memories.
Yes, initially, but they became heavily Russified over time.
Napolitano has regularly had on Jack Devine who spins more to your liking. Tony Shaffer is another regular who isn't pro-Putin or pro-Russian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FHM3gkWGzE He appears far more knowledgeable, intelligent and objective than yourself. Quite telling.Replies: @John Johnson
Johnson didn’t say that. Rather, he said that Prigo’s stated opposition was sincere. When it became clear that he couldn’t succeed, Putin flipped Prigo for the purpose of trying to get possible Western Intel info from him, in addition to limiting bloodshed.
Putin flipped Prigozhin? Is that what Putin was doing when he looked flustered on Russian TV and said that the offenders will be punished? Then a few hours later he signs a deal that just happens to appear from Lukashenko? Where Prigozhin gets to walk away from the front? That is flipping Prigozhin?
Here is Larry C Johnson telling the Judge that the West fell for Putin’s ruse of making it look like Prigozhin controls Wagner (May 16)
Of course the judge won’t ask him about those claims since he and Larry are both Putin fans.
I don’t have a 3 month memory like the American public.
Larry C Johnson was wrong about Wagner and so was Moon of Alabama. Putin is not playing 5d chess. Promoting his chef with a criminal history to private warlord really was a bad idea.
Folks if you catch your chef feeding your troops rotten meat don’t help him develop his own private military force. Words to live by.
Where’s the proof of Russia using cluster bombs? Meantime, it’s clear that the Kiev regime has used such in Donbass. Shaffer (in the video I posted) concurs.
I provided a link.
Russia isn’t a signature to the ban on cluster munitions.
Non-signatory Russia says it cannot join the convention as it regards cluster munitions as legitimate weapons despite the humanitarian risks associated with their use. Russia last participated in a meeting of the convention in 2012. It abstained from the vote on a key United Nations (UN) resolution in December 2020, which urged states outside the Convention on Cluster Munitions to “join as soon as possible.”
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/08/25/growing-civilian-toll-russian-cluster-munition-attacks
They leave distinct shells behind
I found that in 5 minutes using Google. You are trying to avoid reality.
The world is often not perfect like the choices between Ritter (some put mildly embarrassing moments that nonetheless didn’t harm anyone) and some Western mass media journo with apparently no such past on record
He is a convicted sex criminal and that is why he sold himself to Russia.
A real man would find a new line of work. Ritter however is an amoral attention whore and decided to sell his fradulent analysis skills to a homicidal dwarf. He was writing articles for RT.news before the war as the “US military expert” where they don’t mention his conviction and that he is blacklisted in the US.
If you don’t like my posts then cry more. This isn’t Russian State TV where dissenting views are suppressed. I can point out that Ritter is a convicted sex criminal all I want and it is relevant as he is not an unbiased source. Yes it was a sting operation but he did it twice and that is how sexual predators are caught.
I watched a film attached to a Kiev soldier’s helmet in which he walks into a small forest with his unit, they fall into a Russian ambush and he inadvertently records his own death. Some would presumably call this “Ukraine shaping the battlefield”…
Some would presumably call this “Russians divided on Ukrainian artillery”
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-russian-assault-wave-smashed-by-artillery-and-grenades/
I have a highly developed knowledge of many affairs…😏..But the question still stands: why would another attempt by Kiev be more successful?
Ok, let them try one more time. But if it again fails, don’t you think we adults should talk to them about how to extricate from the no-win situation? I prefer some of the current Ukraine to remain, don’t you? Or is going down in a fireball of “glory” preferable?
https://www.ibtimes.com/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-he-could-capture-kiev-2-weeks-if-he-wanted-1675352#Replies: @Beckow
Did you raise your kids the same way? Submit to the bully? If you give the bully some of your lunch money he might let you have the rest of it. Then you will get something to eat at least.
God you guys are bootlickers.
Ukraine doesn’t want to live under the rule of an insecure dwarf just as they didn’t want to be part of the faggot experiment called Communism.
Putin can end the killing at any time by returning to his borders and admitting that his 2.5 week hostile takeover of Ukraine was a really f-cking dumb idea.
“I could take Kiev in 2 weeks if I wanted”
– Putin in 2014
https://www.ibtimes.com/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-he-could-capture-kiev-2-weeks-if-he-wanted-1675352#
First of all, you shouldn’t put the words “Scholz” and “chimpanzee” in the same sentence. Yes, he is, but let’s maintain some decorum…😏
Second, you don’t get to decide on the timing: killing 3k of your own citizens is a crime in any context. I pointed out to you that Nato killed civilians first – and was celebrated for it. In 2014 Kiev responded to civil unrest by gradually killing 3k civilians in Donbas.
That Ukies over time killed fewer civilians – as that nutcase AP keeps on repeating – is irrelevant. Al Queda also dropped its killing pace after 911 – who cares? If you want to call the war a “revenge” for the previous killings by Kiev, you are welcome, revenge it is.
None of that really matters since we have agreed that it is only about power and superior force, vae victis…let the winner make the rules. Right? You have agreed to it or are you still going on about the “good killing of civilians by Nato and Kiev” and “bad killing of civilians by the Russians“. Then we simply won’t take you seriously.
https://cdn.britannica.com/67/181467-050-7ABAA0A7/soldiers-military-vehicles-Russian-Sevastopol-Ukraine-city-March-1-2014.jpg
"Civil" unrest in 2014 April in Slavyansk/Kramatorsk:
https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cossack-slavyansk.jpg
Beckow in 2023 July:
https://dailygazette.com/wp-content/uploads/fly-images/126428/shutterstock_245726512-scaled-940x940.jpgReplies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
Women already got the right to vote back in 1920 and the women’s suffrage began before WWI. As for the race question, one would have thought that eventual liberalization on this issue would be inevitable, no?
It's more accepted now that Fascism represented an alternative version of modernity and without the Bolsheviks it would end up not being tested in a world war. It's likely the broader 'revolutionary right wing' with its origins in the later 19th century would never have been discredited or removed from the scene in the same way.
Thinking about race, feminism would plausibly be different if Fascist and far-right thought on these topics had continued to be seen as broadly legitimate and mainstream in the generations beyond 1945.
https://www.ibtimes.com/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-he-could-capture-kiev-2-weeks-if-he-wanted-1675352#Replies: @Beckow
That is a non-answer: banging your head against the wall is not a solution to anything.
Ukies were quite the commies in their days, from Trotsky, Kaganovitch to Khrushev, Brezhnev, etc… Ukies were for a long time the mainstay in the commie party – one of the main groups running SU. Own up to it, Ukraine was also literally created by the Bolsheviks. But you know all of that, you are just posturing out of anger.
And what would those borders be? Is Crimea that is ethnically Russian inside those borders? Is Donbas? Nato has changed borders by force, let me remind you about Kosovo. There is nothing sacred about current borders – Nato established that precedent by force so it is odd that you would go on and on about it. As if you lacked even basic self-awareness.
In any case, it will be decided by the superior force. Nothing to do with bullying or ‘f..ing dumb ideas’…nothing with that, only who wins militarily. Back to the question: can Kiev do better next time? Is it worth the lives of the Ukie soldiers? Try to answer rationally and not give us another poetic bulls..t o evade unpleasant realities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_War_of_IndependenceThe original Slavic state was in fact based in Kiev:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27Moscow is the result of the Mongol invasion where Slavs lost to an Asian horde:
https://www.rbth.com/history/332313-mongol-invasion-was-reason-russia-formedAnd what would those borders be? Is Crimea that is ethnically Russian inside those borders?It was majority Ukrainian before the hostile takeover of the area by Communists. Russia moved ethnic Russians all over Eastern Europe. There is nothing sacred about current bordersI never claimed they were sacred. However Russia signed this document in 1994 that recognized the borders of Ukraine and that included Crimea:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum/25280502.htmlPutin stated in 2008 that they have no border dispute with them. Which means you are siding with the current Putin and not Putin of 2008. Back to the question: can Kiev do better next time? Is it worth the lives of the Ukie soldiers? Try to answer rationally and not give us another poetic bulls..t o evade unpleasant realities.What can Kiev do better next time? What is the question exactly? How can they fight off another attempt? Russia will never try this again. The drone swarms that will be available in 10 years will make the attempt too risky even if Russia rebuilds its military. The best Putin can hope for is a chunk of Eastern Ukraine.....which makes it all a failure if we go by his original goals.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
If you are going to claim that Trotsky et al were Ukrainians then according to you the entire population of Crimea and Donbas is Ukrainian.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
“Civil” unrest in 2014 February in Crimea:
“Civil” unrest in 2014 April in Slavyansk/Kramatorsk:
Beckow in 2023 July:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwNRB-ULYZUReplies: @QCIC
That is a non-answer: banging your head against the wall is not a solution to anything.
You didn’t ask me any questions. Are you suggesting that Ukraine is banging their head on the wall by fighting back? That it is futile? Same comments were made when Russia tried taking Kiev.
Own up to it, Ukraine was also literally created by the Bolsheviks.
I guess you don’t know the basic history of the area.
They declared their independence after WW1 which was before being taken over by Moscow backed Boskheviks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_War_of_Independence
The original Slavic state was in fact based in Kiev:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27
Moscow is the result of the Mongol invasion where Slavs lost to an Asian horde:
https://www.rbth.com/history/332313-mongol-invasion-was-reason-russia-formed
And what would those borders be? Is Crimea that is ethnically Russian inside those borders?
It was majority Ukrainian before the hostile takeover of the area by Communists. Russia moved ethnic Russians all over Eastern Europe.
There is nothing sacred about current borders
I never claimed they were sacred. However Russia signed this document in 1994 that recognized the borders of Ukraine and that included Crimea:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum/25280502.html
Putin stated in 2008 that they have no border dispute with them. Which means you are siding with the current Putin and not Putin of 2008.
Back to the question: can Kiev do better next time? Is it worth the lives of the Ukie soldiers? Try to answer rationally and not give us another poetic bulls..t o evade unpleasant realities.
What can Kiev do better next time? What is the question exactly? How can they fight off another attempt? Russia will never try this again. The drone swarms that will be available in 10 years will make the attempt too risky even if Russia rebuilds its military. The best Putin can hope for is a chunk of Eastern Ukraine…..which makes it all a failure if we go by his original goals.
https://cdn.britannica.com/67/181467-050-7ABAA0A7/soldiers-military-vehicles-Russian-Sevastopol-Ukraine-city-March-1-2014.jpg
"Civil" unrest in 2014 April in Slavyansk/Kramatorsk:
https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cossack-slavyansk.jpg
Beckow in 2023 July:
https://dailygazette.com/wp-content/uploads/fly-images/126428/shutterstock_245726512-scaled-940x940.jpgReplies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
Here is a more recent video of some clowns
Do you drive a Prius or something?Replies: @John Johnson
Sending Cluster Bombs to Ukraine NOT the Way to Go w/ Col Doug Macgregor
Not a single one of these was an ethnic Ukrainian.
If you are going to claim that Trotsky et al were Ukrainians then according to you the entire population of Crimea and Donbas is Ukrainian.
If you are going to claim that Trotsky et al were Ukrainians then according to you the entire population of Crimea and Donbas is Ukrainian.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Brezhnev regarded himself as a Russian but had Ukrainian written in some (but not all of) his documents:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Brezhnev
A transethnic identity? Similar to how some people of Ukrainian and Belarusian descent in Russia nowadays identify as Russian, and the reverse in Ukraine and Belarus?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_War_of_IndependenceThe original Slavic state was in fact based in Kiev:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27Moscow is the result of the Mongol invasion where Slavs lost to an Asian horde:
https://www.rbth.com/history/332313-mongol-invasion-was-reason-russia-formedAnd what would those borders be? Is Crimea that is ethnically Russian inside those borders?It was majority Ukrainian before the hostile takeover of the area by Communists. Russia moved ethnic Russians all over Eastern Europe. There is nothing sacred about current bordersI never claimed they were sacred. However Russia signed this document in 1994 that recognized the borders of Ukraine and that included Crimea:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum/25280502.htmlPutin stated in 2008 that they have no border dispute with them. Which means you are siding with the current Putin and not Putin of 2008. Back to the question: can Kiev do better next time? Is it worth the lives of the Ukie soldiers? Try to answer rationally and not give us another poetic bulls..t o evade unpleasant realities.What can Kiev do better next time? What is the question exactly? How can they fight off another attempt? Russia will never try this again. The drone swarms that will be available in 10 years will make the attempt too risky even if Russia rebuilds its military. The best Putin can hope for is a chunk of Eastern Ukraine.....which makes it all a failure if we go by his original goals.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
Seems like Ukrainian NATO membership would still be a good precautionary measure just in case. But this would only be realistic if either the front line becomes an extremely static DMZ or Ukraine liberates all of its lost territories, including Crimea. The second scenario here is probably still unlikely, but the first scenario here is nevertheless very possible. But so long as there’s a serious possibility of the front becoming mobile (again), then Ukraine likely won’t be joining NATO.
Hungarians are now disliked (before they were very popular in Poland).Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry
I’m guessing you don’t often talked to Poles about these topics or have an unlikely sample. Polish people seem to have very negative stereotypes of Ukrainians, even while they are happy about the Ukrainians now, who are killing their enemy.
While Western Europeans like Ukrainians. In Poland, they like Ukrainians are killing Russians. It’s change of feeling of seeing the people they had viewed as a small enemy now turns around and kills their large enemy.
The question how this negative view should change in the next generation, when Ukraine will be NATO member and an EU country.
While it’s possible inside NATO to continue the dislike between countries, like Turkey and Greece. In the example of Turkey and Greece, they don’t have a common enemy.
It’s possible inside the EU to continue the dislike between countries, as Poland is economically merging to Germany, but Poles still have some problems with Germany who are financing their country and being their employers.
However, Poland and Ukraine will have a common enemy of Russia within NATO, unlike Greece and Turkey. In addition, they will be EU countries which become economically merging like Poland and Germany. As a result, you would expect the tribal hatred would dissolve. Although with Poland, it’s also a nationalism which has more of the retrospective than prospective view, who have multi-generational memory.
You are writing like it's still the 1990s or early 2000s. Or maybe your contacts are all bitter people from the kresy.or their grandchildren.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
You like to repeat this lie but 3k was the total figure of civilian deaths caused by both sides. About 80% were caused by Kiev.
You also leave out the fact that the reason for the 2,400 civilians killed by Kiev’s forces was because Russia supplied and sent soldiers in order to create a violent uprising.
Totally different circumstances, because Catalans weren’t killing Castillian soldiers and police officers, nor were they getting armed by a foreign power.
Really? Who would invade the UK in that case?
We don’t have to imagine anything btw.
In Chechnya, Putin killed 10,000s of civilians. Nobody invaded Russia over it. Nobody, other than Chechen terrorists, bombed Moscow over it.
Do you make excuses for those terror attacks against civilians in Moscow, as you do for Russia’s terrorism in Ukraine?
https://cdn.britannica.com/67/181467-050-7ABAA0A7/soldiers-military-vehicles-Russian-Sevastopol-Ukraine-city-March-1-2014.jpg
"Civil" unrest in 2014 April in Slavyansk/Kramatorsk:
https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cossack-slavyansk.jpg
Beckow in 2023 July:
https://dailygazette.com/wp-content/uploads/fly-images/126428/shutterstock_245726512-scaled-940x940.jpgReplies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
For what it’s worth, I actually would have a relatively sympathetic opinion of the Donbassers themselves who wanted to separate from Ukraine. What I oppose was what came afterwards: Eight years of war, poor and totalitarian conditions in the Donbass itself, and Russia’s invasion of the rest of Ukraine starting from 2022. Russia would have been better off just quickly annexing the Donbass back in 2014–or, alternatively, simply letting Ukraine quickly crush the Donbass separatists and not fund them in the first place.
It’s similar to having a relatively sympathetic opinion of Sudeten German separatism in 1938 before one knew what this was subsequently going to lead to.
The question how this negative view should change in the next generation, when Ukraine will be NATO member and an EU country. While it's possible inside NATO to continue the dislike between countries, like Turkey and Greece. In the example of Turkey and Greece, they don't have a common enemy. It's possible inside the EU to continue the dislike between countries, as Poland is economically merging to Germany, but Poles still have some problems with Germany who are financing their country and being their employers. However, Poland and Ukraine will have a common enemy of Russia within NATO, unlike Greece and Turkey. In addition, they will be EU countries which become economically merging like Poland and Germany. As a result, you would expect the tribal hatred would dissolve. Although with Poland, it's also a nationalism which has more of the retrospective than prospective view, who have multi-generational memory.Replies: @AP
My closest friend and one of my children’s godfather is a Polish immigrant (we were classmates at an American university, he was a foreign student). I’ve spent time in Poland. I have Polish cousins (one of my grandfather’s brothers married a Polish woman and settled in Poland after World War II; my cousin is 1/4 Ukrainian and 3/4 Polish). In the USA, recent Polish immigrants and recent Ukrainian immigrants often work together and drink together in the USA. My Ukrainian handyman who does remonting on the house uses Polish workers sometimes. Poles and Ukrainians rent out each others’ halls for parties.
These are anecdotes.
The poll data support my anecdotal experiences, and not your anecdotal experiences. 51% of Poles like Ukrainians, versus 18% dislike them.
A subset of Poles, who lost family during the Volhynia massacres, understandably have a negative view of Ukrainians. The rest do not (similarly, German descendants of Danzigers often dislike Poles more than do Bavarians or other Germans).
When I visited my cousin in Poland, he told me that exposure to Ukrainian refugees has improved feelings further. Before there were a lot of construction workers (many returned to Ukraine to fight), now there are dentists, teachers, various regular sorts of people. There are a lot of similarities. So it isn’t only a matter of fighting a mutual enemy, although this too makes a difference.
You are writing like it’s still the 1990s or early 2000s. Or maybe your contacts are all bitter people from the kresy.or their grandchildren.
https://i.imgur.com/Rq5CmKO.png
Are Polish liberals (the people whom the Recovered Territories tend to vote for) less pro-Ukraine than Polish conservatives are?Replies: @Dmitry
Why would it be different? From consumers’ view, consumer protections for the people using the product, will be increased or decreased only to an extent the product will be regulated by the government. If the companies are allowed a significant space for self-regulating, they will try to go to the same equilibrium level of consumer protection, usually trying to attain the minimum possible if this would increase profits, which would be similar between companies.
What could be different with Musk, he is doing this without profit motive.
If he wanted a website the same as Twitter, it would cost maybe a few tens of millions of dollars to build. But he paid $44 billion for this website.
Where is the value of the $43,95 billion he paid for the website, if he could build it for around $0,05 billion?
A large part of $43,95 billion price of the website, was the employees in the different teams. This is the human resources. 80% of the employees were voluntarily removed in the first months, with 60% fall in revenue.
A smaller part of the $43,95 billion, is just the brand equity and the existing users, mainly the celebrities. But if the celebrities can change to alternatives now, a lot of this section of the $43,95 billion value of the website can also dissolve.
So, in reality Musk, was doing less of a business logic with Twitter, than kind of postmodern “Potlatch”, which the world’s wealthiest tribal chieftain can easily pay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potlatch
At one time Facebook owned the planet and that ape Zuckerberg fumbled it away by serial garbage treatment of its purported customers. (They were really the product but they still didn't deserve all the yanking they received.) When was the last time you heard anybody say anything nice about Facebook? Do you know anybody who has ever spent more than an hour in the Metaverse?Replies: @Dmitry
Apparently the angst over certain cluster bombs is a high percentage of "dud" submunitions which do not explode as intended and become land mines. These particular 155 shells are known to have a lot of duds.
This is a bit odd since all sides also have artillery delivered mines. I think the main difference is these are designed to more reliably explode or fully dud themselves after a certain time so they are less dangerous to civilians cleaning up the mess after the dick measuring contest is over.Replies: @Wokechoke
CBU’s will detonate over the heads of concentrations of personnel. One battalion wiped out in a strike. That’s what the Germans did to the Russians in the first weeks of Barbarossa until August when someone at Stavka noticed that persistent counterattacks were pointless without a modest amount of aircover, and told Stalin to stop ordering immediate counterattacks and just tell everyone to dig in.
This entire thing is about a free run into Rostov on Don through Kerch across the Azov Sea and up the Don river. Some little thing here or there done differently won’t make anything turn out in a better way.
Yes, like a bunch of hand grenades all at once. A bad place to be.
These kind of culture is artificially engineered by the top. Or even if there is something which has partly organic components, then it would only be allowed because it benefits some of the interests in the top.
Asking why. There could be conflict between the elites, not necessarily international agreements.
Although the “cui bono” has a strong signal in this example, we can’t say it is implying an organized plan or intention, as often it’s possible to be unintentional receiver of benefits.
This is why the answer to “cui bono” question, could be implying both intentional or unintentional receiver of benefits, so it’s not sufficient to give us the answer for who is responsible.
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In the later 20th century, the USSR’s economy had one of the world’s leading science and technology, hi-tech and education system.
By early 2000s Russia is already mainly a resource extraction economy, with declining education system and relatively small potential for hi-tech industry. The high level of 1990s asset stripping of the Soviet human resources, is significant part of this story.
Aside from the demographic timebomb discussion in Israel, economic value of emigrants, was at least tens of billions of dollars. In the previous epochs Soviet governments had carefully regulated to prevent emigration from the USSR, especially including the skilled workers.
If you look at documentary film about Kiryat Gat of 1992, in the year after the collapse of the USSR, they already rapidly move the Soviet engineers to live in trailer parks.
This is already in 1992, less than a year after the end of the USSR, the international investors are monetizing trailer park Soviet emigrants for probably quite low cost.
Not so differently than the postsoviet space, Israel also has one of the world’s largest braindrains, with a large part of their natively educated engineers are always emigrating and this is weakening the human resources. Moving the Soviet engineers into Israel, has probably a significant part of the saving of Israel’s economy. As in the 1980s, they had a very bad economic situation.
The artificially engineered antisemitism production of 1980s/1990s, including the intelligence agents like Dugin and Zhirinovsky?
It’s also possible Israel was only unintentionally lucky as result of this, as often in history is like this. In addition, the economic crisis in the 1980s/1990s could have been sufficient to create the emigration wave without needing the antisemitism production of 1980s/1990s.
Some explanation could be the internal conflict between the security services, business interests. Conflict of security services including with Jewish demographics in the USSR. We would need to discuss more of details of the politics in the 1980s and what are the different conflicts in the elite in this time. Also, why these conditions change immediately at time of Putin, when they turn it off?
I think it is a bit of a fantasy to sort out the economic factors in Russia 1990-2015 since the West was on a post-Cold War mission to crush the remains of Russian industry. The loss of capability probably has as much to do with this external state pressure than it does with internal struggles encountered in the transition to a wildly new market system.
I think many of you are unnecessarily pessimistic about Russia's relative standing in S&T areas. This doesn't diminish the problems with corruption, oligarchs, Noviops, but those factors may be slightly less consequential than you think.Replies: @Dmitry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwNRB-ULYZUReplies: @QCIC
What’s the problem?
Do you drive a Prius or something?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_War_of_IndependenceThe original Slavic state was in fact based in Kiev:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27Moscow is the result of the Mongol invasion where Slavs lost to an Asian horde:
https://www.rbth.com/history/332313-mongol-invasion-was-reason-russia-formedAnd what would those borders be? Is Crimea that is ethnically Russian inside those borders?It was majority Ukrainian before the hostile takeover of the area by Communists. Russia moved ethnic Russians all over Eastern Europe. There is nothing sacred about current bordersI never claimed they were sacred. However Russia signed this document in 1994 that recognized the borders of Ukraine and that included Crimea:
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum/25280502.htmlPutin stated in 2008 that they have no border dispute with them. Which means you are siding with the current Putin and not Putin of 2008. Back to the question: can Kiev do better next time? Is it worth the lives of the Ukie soldiers? Try to answer rationally and not give us another poetic bulls..t o evade unpleasant realities.What can Kiev do better next time? What is the question exactly? How can they fight off another attempt? Russia will never try this again. The drone swarms that will be available in 10 years will make the attempt too risky even if Russia rebuilds its military. The best Putin can hope for is a chunk of Eastern Ukraine.....which makes it all a failure if we go by his original goals.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
You don’t know a lot of things. Ukraine in today’s borders was created by the Bolsheviks – the previous concepts of Ukraine were smaller, e.g. nobody before commies in the 1950’s ever thought that Crimea was “Ukraine”. Learn something and don’t parade your ignorance so proudly.
No it wasn’t, it was majority Russian-and until 1945 Tatar. It was taken over by Russia in the late 18th century – before US existed.
No they didn’t. No Russians were “moved” to Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia…Inside Soviet Union all people moved around – it was a single country, just like in US people move from NY to Texas or Florida.
And Ukraine in that document agreed to neutrality. Kiev broke its word, and then Russia did. The document was an unenforceable memorandum – nobody ratified it, it was like a letter. Same as when Nato promised not to expand beyond East Germany. Words.
Kiev and Nato (and you) have been talking about a Ukie offensive for months. It has just failed – or stalled. Are they going to try again? Does it make sense?
If it stays as it is now, Russia would have won a minor victory – about 20% of Ukraine is theirs, Nato is out (at least formally) and Ukraine has been weakened: lost quarter of its population, resources, arable lands, destroyed infrastructure. That is a loss by any standard. Making a deal that would observe non-alignment (like Austria) and return basic rights to its Russian minority would have been much better. That deal is no longer available.
Many of whom were Albanians. A precedent for liberating a majority ethnic region such as Crimea. NATO didn’t remove territory with Serbian majority from Serbia.
This is too complicated for someone of your limited understanding? The total civilian death toll, including those killed by the Russians. You lie as usual.
You also lie by omission. Most of those killings occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021 about 9 were killed (2 of those, by the Russians).
So Russia did not invade to stop 3,000 getting killed, it invaded to stop 7 getting killed.
Russia has killed several thousand Russian-speaking civilians (Mariupol hasn’t been counted so the total number is probably 10,000s) in order to end circumstances in which 7 were killed. That was the total death toll in Odessa that day. The first of those 49 killed was a Ukrainian nationalist. You lie as usual as say Kiev killed him. So the lil lit my in Odessa was started by the pro-Russian side. It set a precedent for how things would go that day in Odessa.
Do you know how time works? Indeed. You believe that Russia killed thousands of Russian-speakers in Ukraine and destroyed their cities in order to prevent the killing of 7 (?) more Russians in 2022.
You are incredibly stupid to believe that.
Mendacity and stupidity - your essential traits, Beckow.
It reality the war was all about keeping Ukrainian from permanently leaving the Russian world.Replies: @Greasy William
I think what NATO did to Serbia was just as wrong as what Russia is doing to Ukraine. The difference is that the Serbs weren’t able to put up much of a fight so their country didn’t take as much damage as Ukraine has.
I didn't keep up with the Balkans war, but I wonder if the role of Kosovo may be vaaaaaguely analogous to Ukraine. The rabidity of Kosovars and Ukies seems similar.Replies: @Mikhail
I may be posting more sporadically due to a trip to a country that supports Ukraine (I will only spend money in such countries).Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow
In the later 20th century, the USSR's economy had one of the world's leading science and technology, hi-tech and education system. By early 2000s Russia is already mainly a resource extraction economy, with declining education system and relatively small potential for hi-tech industry. The high level of 1990s asset stripping of the Soviet human resources, is significant part of this story. Aside from the demographic timebomb discussion in Israel, economic value of emigrants, was at least tens of billions of dollars. In the previous epochs Soviet governments had carefully regulated to prevent emigration from the USSR, especially including the skilled workers. If you look at documentary film about Kiryat Gat of 1992, in the year after the collapse of the USSR, they already rapidly move the Soviet engineers to live in trailer parks. This is already in 1992, less than a year after the end of the USSR, the international investors are monetizing trailer park Soviet emigrants for probably quite low cost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-s-d8l2sgNot so differently than the postsoviet space, Israel also has one of the world's largest braindrains, with a large part of their natively educated engineers are always emigrating and this is weakening the human resources. Moving the Soviet engineers into Israel, has probably a significant part of the saving of Israel's economy. As in the 1980s, they had a very bad economic situation. The artificially engineered antisemitism production of 1980s/1990s, including the intelligence agents like Dugin and Zhirinovsky? It's also possible Israel was only unintentionally lucky as result of this, as often in history is like this. In addition, the economic crisis in the 1980s/1990s could have been sufficient to create the emigration wave without needing the antisemitism production of 1980s/1990s. Some explanation could be the internal conflict between the security services, business interests. Conflict of security services including with Jewish demographics in the USSR. We would need to discuss more of details of the politics in the 1980s and what are the different conflicts in the elite in this time. Also, why these conditions change immediately at time of Putin, when they turn it off?Replies: @QCIC
I have wondered if most of Israel’s technological industry was simply drained out of Russia as Jewish experts moved to Israel, initially under Jackson-Vanik and then after the fall of the USSR. The development and productization of those ideas in Israel was probably funded by the West. Is this process discussed in Israel?
I think it is a bit of a fantasy to sort out the economic factors in Russia 1990-2015 since the West was on a post-Cold War mission to crush the remains of Russian industry. The loss of capability probably has as much to do with this external state pressure than it does with internal struggles encountered in the transition to a wildly new market system.
I think many of you are unnecessarily pessimistic about Russia’s relative standing in S&T areas. This doesn’t diminish the problems with corruption, oligarchs, Noviops, but those factors may be slightly less consequential than you think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_cryptographers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_women_computer_scientists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_computer_scientistsAlso, in the time of the 1980s/1990s, it's possible the level of braindrain was even higher than today. But in the 1990s, Israel is able to import from the Soviet Union large number of engineers, medical doctors, even many factory workers, as Israel uses import substitution to create a large working class. The value of re-locating these people from the Soviet Union to Israel would have been at least tens of billions of dollars, probably hundreds of billions of dollars by now. It is a kind of asset-stripping. - In the 1980s/1990s, in the USSR/Russian Federation, the government's intelligence agencies were mass producing and distributing the antisemitic literature, they were promoting it as intentional policy. Suddenly, they stop around beginning of 21st century, reverse to promoting philosemitism. In terms of "cui bono", the main people to receive benefit of potential increased rate of immigrants in 1990s as result of the mass distribution of the antisemitic literature by the Soviet/Russian security service, is Israel and to smaller extent also the American hi-tech industry. But"cui bono" is not always very reliable or replacement for the historical detail. For example, "cui bono" economically of the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, are countries like Armenia, which receive the Russian engineers. So, "cui bono" could imply Armenia is responsible for the invasion of Ukraine which would be a false positive. In the 1990s, they have evenZeno's logical paradox phrases about their attitude. Even with the low numbers reported by government organizations, if you look in the details, a lot of things the government says is inside Russia, is outside Russia. For example, the government data includes companies like Acronis as part of the Russian hi-tech industry, which are completely not in Russia. I'm sure Serg Bell will be surprised, the investment in his companies which are disconnected to Russia, was all included as part of last year's investment in the Russian hi-tech sector.Replies: @QCIC
Wrong; Woodrow Wilson’s Inquiry (a US think tank/academic study group to help determine US policy positions for the post-WWI settlement) advised giving Crimea to Ukraine back in the late 1910s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquiry
Here’s the original source itself for you, if you don’t actually believe Wikipedia:
https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n243/mode/2up
You must be mad even thinking that something like that is relevant.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Do you drive a Prius or something?Replies: @John Johnson
What’s the problem?
Do you drive a Prius or something?
What does a Prius have to do with anything? It’s actually a bad idea to drive a tank that close to civilians. The visibility on those old tanks is terrible.
You also don’t want to drive older vehicles of any type in sand unless it is necessary.
No I don’t drive a Prius. I can’t stand how they drive. They drive like Johnny cab from Total Recall. The regenerative brakes are clunky and feel unsafe. The dash is a mess and comes in too far. I hate them and I don’t like to drive Toyotas in general. They are soulless. I can’t believe that Americans picked the Prius over the Fusion hybrid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_biathlon
Do Russian chicks dig tanks?
Prius is the vehicle of the Killjoy.Replies: @John Johnson
You’re more at ease with the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/19072021-getting-putins-intentions-wrong-again-on-russia-ukraine-oped/On Russian-Ukrainian matters, there has been a tendency in the Anglo-American establishment and some other circles to provide a false start date of provocation. Yea and they got the date perfectly. Even Zelensky didn't believe the CIA until the invasion actually happened.
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It’s also true that there’re Ukrainians thinking differently. Post-Soviet Russia has formally recognized Ukraine as an independent entity. Boy that didn't age well. You've tried to make a career of arguing that Russia ain't so bad and that Ukraine should join some type of greater Russia for their own good. Good luck with all that.Replies: @Mikhail
We must defer to such Wilsonian BS.
None of us knows why Musk bought twitter. It’s possible he bought into AI hype and thought the twitter training set was the most valuable archive on earth.
At one time Facebook owned the planet and that ape Zuckerberg fumbled it away by serial garbage treatment of its purported customers. (They were really the product but they still didn’t deserve all the yanking they received.) When was the last time you heard anybody say anything nice about Facebook? Do you know anybody who has ever spent more than an hour in the Metaverse?
As aside from the potlatch, to talk about Musk's actual business, the more interesting area is building factories in Mexico. Is this a good idea to add your greatest investments in a country where cartels are still controlling some of the local power? It's his largest investment of his career, is to build the manufacturing in Mexico for the Model 2. Moving the manufacturing to Mexico will probably be viewed as one of the genius stages of his business career, like going to China was in 2019. It has less of geopolitical risk, on the other hand more regulated labor and probably some other issues. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-Model-2-launch-delayed-for-2025-as-its-Gigafactory-in-Mexico-faces-union-labor-cost-challenges.728765.0.htmlReplies: @QCIC
From your blog:
https://www.eurasiareview.com/19072021-getting-putins-intentions-wrong-again-on-russia-ukraine-oped/
On Russian-Ukrainian matters, there has been a tendency in the Anglo-American establishment and some other circles to provide a false start date of provocation.
Yea and they got the date perfectly. Even Zelensky didn’t believe the CIA until the invasion actually happened.
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It’s also true that there’re Ukrainians thinking differently. Post-Soviet Russia has formally recognized Ukraine as an independent entity.
Boy that didn’t age well.
You’ve tried to make a career of arguing that Russia ain’t so bad and that Ukraine should join some type of greater Russia for their own good.
Good luck with all that.
The latter hasn't worked, thereby explaining why Ukraine's Commie drawn border has ceased to exist in reality terms.
The boys have to practice for the Biathlon. All I heard was laughter from the survivors, I mean spectators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_biathlon
Do Russian chicks dig tanks?
Prius is the vehicle of the Killjoy.
What NATO did to Serbia is similar to what NATO is trying to do to Russia. Ukraine is a pawn or a club in this process.
I didn’t keep up with the Balkans war, but I wonder if the role of Kosovo may be vaaaaaguely analogous to Ukraine. The rabidity of Kosovars and Ukies seems similar.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001nrpk/hardtalk-albin-kurti-prime-minister-of-kosovo
What happened in 1999 confirmed that the neocon-neolib Russia hating elements believe in might making right. The Serbs were seen as miniature Russians to be trampled on at a time when Russia was especially weak.
Who the f..ck is “Wilson” and why would anyone give a sh..t what he thought in 1910? Maybe another gauche anglo like “Johnson”…What would you think about a Russian in 1910 who would suggest changing US state borders?
You must be mad even thinking that something like that is relevant.
https://cdn.britannica.com/67/181467-050-7ABAA0A7/soldiers-military-vehicles-Russian-Sevastopol-Ukraine-city-March-1-2014.jpg
"Civil" unrest in 2014 April in Slavyansk/Kramatorsk:
https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cossack-slavyansk.jpg
Beckow in 2023 July:
https://dailygazette.com/wp-content/uploads/fly-images/126428/shutterstock_245726512-scaled-940x940.jpgReplies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
Who took that picture of you?
https://www.eurasiareview.com/19072021-getting-putins-intentions-wrong-again-on-russia-ukraine-oped/On Russian-Ukrainian matters, there has been a tendency in the Anglo-American establishment and some other circles to provide a false start date of provocation. Yea and they got the date perfectly. Even Zelensky didn't believe the CIA until the invasion actually happened.
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It’s also true that there’re Ukrainians thinking differently. Post-Soviet Russia has formally recognized Ukraine as an independent entity. Boy that didn't age well. You've tried to make a career of arguing that Russia ain't so bad and that Ukraine should join some type of greater Russia for their own good. Good luck with all that.Replies: @Mikhail
The excerpts you reference aren’t wrong at all. As for this quip from you:
A neutral Ukraine on good terms with Russia and the West would’ve better maintained Ukraine’s Commie drawn boundary, when compared to a top heavy svido, neocon-neolib Ukraine, hell bent on force feeding the pro-Russian contingent anti-Russian tripe.
The latter hasn’t worked, thereby explaining why Ukraine’s Commie drawn border has ceased to exist in reality terms.
I didn't keep up with the Balkans war, but I wonder if the role of Kosovo may be vaaaaaguely analogous to Ukraine. The rabidity of Kosovars and Ukies seems similar.Replies: @Mikhail
An example on today’s BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001nrpk/hardtalk-albin-kurti-prime-minister-of-kosovo
What happened in 1999 confirmed that the neocon-neolib Russia hating elements believe in might making right. The Serbs were seen as miniature Russians to be trampled on at a time when Russia was especially weak.
Re: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2023/7/9/whats-behind-us-decision-to-supply-cluster-bombs-to-ukraine
Host Adrian Finighan kept deferring to pro-Kiev regime advocate William Taylor, who got the most time, in addition to stating put mildly dubious views about what Putin said on Ukraine. Sarah Yager slanted in favor of Taylor, with her expressing great respect for him and agreeing with everything he said with the exception of cluster bombs. Yager is flat out wrong about the available data on the negative health aspects associated with depleted uranium use.
Dmitry Babich was great but outnumbered. Still better than the one-sided crapola typically aired on the BBC, CNN, Sky News, News Nation, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, et al.
You must be mad even thinking that something like that is relevant.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Woodrow Wilson was US President during WWI and it is due to US entry into WWI on the Entente side that the Entente was actually able to win WWI. So, Yes, it does make sense to give some credit to the opinions of Wilson’s expert study group on this and other topics.
Would you prefer Ludendorffian BS? Wilson is the reason that the Entente won WWI; too bad that Russians succumbed to defeatism and were thus unable to join the victory party.
I concur with Beckow on these points: Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Russian action early in the war quite likely saved Paris making the western front effort easier for the Entente. I don’t prefer any BS. Petliura didn’t have greater clout than the Whites in Crimea. Skoropadsky at the end of WW I, supported an All Russian Federation consisting of Russia and Ukraine, as well as some other parts of the former Russian Empire. The Galician Ukrainians en masse at the time were on good terms with the Russian Whites.
I concur with Beckow on these points:
No it doesn’t, he didn’t live there. Anyone telling Americans how they should draw their internal state borders would be told to take a hike. Same with the Wilson fellow – none of his business, his opinions were irrelevant, a meddling outsider.
Crimea was a part of Russia since 1780’s and had Russian (and Tatar) population – commies had no business gifting it to Ukraine. Some things are obvious, like this one. So should Ukies be dying to reconquer Crimea?
The UK’s Daily Mail is making a huge ado that Biden brought the nuclear ‘football’ with him to Number 10 Downing St.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12283413/Female-Army-officer-brings-Joe-Bidens-nuclear-football-Downing-Street-40lb-titanium-case-allow-president-launch-atomic-attack.html
Check out the WWII style uniform the woman is wearing. The uniform changes were announced in 2018, probably as part of an effort to psychologically prepare US citizens for WWIII.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/us-army-new-uniforms.html?Exc_TM_LessThanPoint001_p1=1
Did they air brush something in the picture above her right knee?
Nuclear codes or extra Depends?Replies: @S, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke
What NATO did to Serbia was not as bad as what Russia is doing to Ukraine. NATO removed from Serbia a place where 90% of the population was Albanian. Russia has declared that areas with Ukrainian majority populations (Kherson and Zaporizhia) are part of Russia. Hell, even Crimea was only 60% Russian. Russia has killed far more Ukrainian civilians, than NATO killed Serbs.
I may be posting more sporadically due to a trip to a country that supports Ukraine (I will only spend money in such countries).
But in this case Russia is seeking to eradicate the Ukrainian state entirely and turn Russia into a massive empire capable of achieving global hegemony. Yeah, I agree that what Russia is doing is actually far worse and I apologize for what I said earlier.Replies: @AP
It seems doubtful, also on the question of feminism. If the ‘crisis of the demo-liberal fictions’ still happened in the 1920s and 30s but without the Bolsheviks, Europe would have had more of a Fascist orientation.
It’s more accepted now that Fascism represented an alternative version of modernity and without the Bolsheviks it would end up not being tested in a world war. It’s likely the broader ‘revolutionary right wing’ with its origins in the later 19th century would never have been discredited or removed from the scene in the same way.
Thinking about race, feminism would plausibly be different if Fascist and far-right thought on these topics had continued to be seen as broadly legitimate and mainstream in the generations beyond 1945.
I may be posting more sporadically due to a trip to a country that supports Ukraine (I will only spend money in such countries).Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow
I suppose now that I think about it, the Russian invasion would be more akin to US/Serbia if Russia was invading to drive Ukraine out of the regions that did want to be part of Russia. But if that was what Russia was doing, while I’d still disapprove, I wouldn’t regard it nearly as bad as what NATO did to Serbia.
But in this case Russia is seeking to eradicate the Ukrainian state entirely and turn Russia into a massive empire capable of achieving global hegemony. Yeah, I agree that what Russia is doing is actually far worse and I apologize for what I said earlier.
Russia grabbing and occupying ethnic Ukrainian areas and annexing them is already an entirely different phenomenon. This is 1930s and 1940s level activities.
Russia seeking to take all of Ukraine is even worse, as you said.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Somehow, Comrade Putler has been able to solidly blind your eyes to the truth of the matter. Why do you continue worshiping this evil person? Do you honestly not understand what evil he’s been responsible for? Remember the 6th and 8th commandments?
Thou shall not kill
Thou shall not steal
Now think of Putler and what he’s done within Ukraine.
Russia using nukes in Ukraine would be like the USA dropping nukes in Japan. Probably unnecessary for tactical purposes, but effectively making a strategic point. I don't think Russia is mean enough to do it in Ukraine, but if they got cornered on the chessboard it might become the least bad option. It would be a temporary destruction of Ukraine so the West no longer had any interest in meddling there.
I subscribe to the theory that the USA nuked Japan simply to keep the USSR at bay in the far East. I think the USA was very close to using tactical nukes in Korea.
Naturally Russia would have some sort of "fig leaf" to give plausible justification for the use of tactical nuclear weapons and this might even be real, we just don't know. This justification could be a large concentration of Western troops and arms, actionable evidence of a Ukie dirty bomb or even a revival of targeted Slavic bioweapons developed in the USA-Ukrainian labs of Dr. Moreau. I think by their updated rules it only needs to be an existential threat to Russia.
One question is how much can Western sanctions and embargo be increased?
Don't forget that the French did an above ground nuclear test in North Africa and Russia did some on Novaya Zemlya and in Kazakhstan--not so far away from Europe. Meaning that there is a precedent.Replies: @Sean
Putin has lost many Russian lives in Ukraine, the point is coming where he has to assess whether to continue losing them or disengage, which would be as good as saying that there were no vital geopolitical objectives to be attained in the first place.
So far in Ukraine whichever side is on the defence has the advantage. Maybe an insurmountable one. However if the West now gives Ukraine the military wherewithal to slowly but surely wear down the Russian army, then the Russians are going to quickly realise that they can’t win by conventional means. Maybe they will just lose interest and withdraw. But that seems very unlikely. as all indications are their objectives and the butcher’s bill to date in Ukraine matters too much to the Kremlin and withdrawal would be admitting that all the dead Russian sons and husbands were for nothing. I think Ukraine is heading for ‘catastrophic success’ that will usher in a new era where use of nuclear weapons will be seen to have a real military purpose in warfighting rather than something wars have to be fought so as to avoid using because use would be worse than losing the war.
To save the lives of Russia men being killed by the new Western weapons seems quite a good justification. Theatre thermonuclear weapon use by Russia in the early days of the war would have been uncalled for, but now I think it has a perfectly valid rationale. Russia needs to stop the West thinking that Russia had a puffed up bullfrog mentality, and so can be finessed into keeping on taking the casualties in Ukraine without any prospect of final victory. A dramatic escalation is called for: a specimen nuclear strike will take the West’s mind of it’s ‘frog boiling’ and onto how to get things back under control even if it results in Russia achieving what might be a sort of win to them.
Got that Mr Hack!?Replies: @Mr. Hack
I think this escalation trap is another reason Russia is playing the slow game. There is no one in the USA for her to reason with. If they back off, the West will push harder. So going slow may be giving the leaders in the West time to discredit themselves internally. I don't know if this 'leadership' is Nuland, Blinken and Sullivan or other more substantial people out of sight.
Considering how ideological this seems to be, one problem for Russia is that postbellum some third party might give Ukrainian crazies a nuke to retaliate against Russia. It is not clear who Russia can squeeze to prevent this, other than directly threatening the USA with nuclear retaliation if such a thing occurs. This would be an attempt to force the US to insure Russian security. This nuclear brinksmanship is where the Neocons have brought us.
When deliberating about what to do in practical matters, correct decisions cannot be made by just applying abstract rules such as the ten commandments. The means have to be proportionate to the end of course. But you don’t think Russian security was threatened at all, so in your book they were not entitled to do anything.
Simple, concise, and covers everything.https://peacepalacelibrary.nl/sites/default/files/styles/featured_image/public/2022-08/Public%20international%20law6.jpg?itok=j2K8j4Z4
Thousands of Law Libraries scattered around the planet used to adjudicate all manner of human affairs, used to promote an unwieldly system where issues only multiply and nobody seems to ever be content with the outcome. Cases are appealed through many bureaucratic layers where those with the money (big corporations, woke cultural organizations) often buy the decisions that they're looking for.Replies: @Sean, @John Johnson
https://www.rt.com/news/579522-poland-poll-ukraine-nato-membership/
Excerpt –
Flipping the script as Zelensky & Co have lost so many Ukrainian lives….
Got that Mr Hack!?
Jul 10 • 15M
Biden Supplies Cluster Bombs to Kiev Because NATO is Out of Artillery Shells, Progozhin Back in Russia & Meets with Putin
Radio Interview on the Final Countdown 10/07/23
https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/biden-supplies-cluster-bombs-to-kiev#details
Seems like Poland is doing diversity the right way by primarily choosing the less problematic groups as immigrants. (I'm also unsure that a majority of them would eventually move to Germany because Poland itself is rapidly becoming wealthy and should eventually become as wealthy as Germany is. There weren't very many Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Somalis, et cetera in Scandinavia several decades ago but there are now!)
As a side note, has Anatoly Karlin ever considered that open borders could reduce the amount of smart fractions worldwide by making childrearing more expensive for smart people? After all, the countries in Latin America have some of the most notoriously dysgenic fertility, and a part of the reason for this could be the fact that in order to have a good life there, one often needs to live in a gated community, have private security, et cetera, all of which likely costs a lot of money. A good life in the West generally doesn't require these things yet, though it might very well do so under an open borders regime. And network states first have to be built and then need to become sufficiently cheap for family planning to develop there on a huge scale.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Anatoly Karlin
Racism is never the right way.
Tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity. 💯
You can move to low crime cities and areas.
-- When low crime areas are a scarce resource, land prices will go up.
-- Building private walls to keep crime low requires expensive local fees.
National borders are economically efficient. They protect large quantities of people at modest cost. The smaller the group protected, the higher the cost per person.
PEACE 😇
Moving to low-crime cities and areas is relatively easy if you live in the West, but less so if you live in the developing world in a lot of cases since over there often much of the country is extremely homicidal:
https://i.redd.it/xgb6rdeh6kz11.png
Even the least violent provinces in Brazil are more homicidal than the most violent US states, apparently. At least this was the case as of 2015. Maybe individual cities in Brazil could be less homicidal, but still, they might be rather rare. Especially outside of gated communities, which as I previously said, I would presume are very expensive.
BTW, off-topic, but in regards to your comments about surrogacy: How is surrogacy meaningfully different from giving financially insecure people incentives to do other things that they might not want to do in an ideal world? For instance, giving a poor person financial incentives to do dangerous jobs, such as serving in combat in the military or, say, building a skyscraper or a hyper-elevated bridge? Or, for that matter, prostitution, including the kind of de facto high class prostitution that involves a sugar daddy and their sugar baby? (There's even a thread on Reddit from several years ago about a 24-year-old straight man who is engaged to a 51-year-old gay male sugar daddy and who frequently has gay sex with him not because he genuinely wants to do this (at least relative to an ideal world), but rather because he enjoys doing it for the old man's money, so that he himself could get a much better quality of life. Before he met this rich old gay man, he worked a minimum wage job at a warehouse, apparently.) Why exactly is de facto selling one's body to some rich sugar daddy perfectly acceptable, even for a poor and desperate person, but selling one's body in the form of surrogacy isn't? Both involve things being done to one's body that are consensual but that one would not want to do (at least in this specific form) in an ideal world, if one was more financially secure. Surrogacy is at least I would presume eugenic since one needs to have money to be able to afford a surrogate, even a Third World one. And while I certainly agree with the need for better options, this shouldn't mean that the option of a surrogate should be taken away--simply that better options should be created alongside it, such as easier immigration/guest worker programs to the developed world, artificial wombs, et cetera.
This is similar to an argument that Bryan Caplan uses in favor of Gulf state guest programs. As in, Yes, they could be much better and much less abusive, but even in their current form, having them is still a net plus relative to not having them because they help lift a sizable number of Third Worlders out of poverty:
https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://www.econlib.org/open-borders-in-the-new-yorker/ The same logic I would presume applies to surrogacy. It's similar to Westerners who criticize Chinese deals to the Third World as debt-traps. Even if one genuinely believes these allegations, the problem is that you can't beat something with nothing. If the West dislikes what China is offering to the Third World, then rather than pressuring China to withdraw its offers, the West should offer the Third World better offers. Similarly, if you care so much about Third World women who become surrogates for Westerners, maybe you should support giving them the option of immigrating to Russia en masse in order to secure a better life for themselves and their descendants that way.
And as a side note, Mexican women appear to be rather enthusiastic about becoming surrogates:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7bxmz/mexico-surrogacy-facebook
Maybe that's a problem. Maybe it would be better if more of them could immigrate to the US and other Western countries (though the US has already accepted an enormous number of Mexican immigrants over the last several decades). But it doesn't seem like these Mexican women are being fully naive dupes in regards to this.
A ninth century triad had the death of a fat pig as among the three deaths which are greater than life. In the seventh century, the pig’s fat side was described as “the freeing from shame of every face.” A similar sentiment existed about boars.
Practical matters. correct decisions? Once man started to think that he could devise rules and laws better than what God had devised, man’s fate has been spiralling out of control, headed to Armageddon as God foresaw.
Simple, concise, and covers everything.
Thousands of Law Libraries scattered around the planet used to adjudicate all manner of human affairs, used to promote an unwieldly system where issues only multiply and nobody seems to ever be content with the outcome. Cases are appealed through many bureaucratic layers where those with the money (big corporations, woke cultural organizations) often buy the decisions that they’re looking for.
Man somehow did fine for over 100k years.
Then God decided to give the Jews his laws on some tablets.
Then he changed his mind a couple times on whether or not you can eat shrimp and lobster.
Right.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity. 💯 You can move to low crime cities and areas.Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
— Moving is expensive.
— When low crime areas are a scarce resource, land prices will go up.
— Building private walls to keep crime low requires expensive local fees.
National borders are economically efficient. They protect large quantities of people at modest cost. The smaller the group protected, the higher the cost per person.
PEACE 😇
One thing anti-Open Borders populists ignore is that they pay virtually zero attention to the benefits of opening up cheaper developing world places to the moneyed of the developed world.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/gmaps.jsp?indexToShow=getRentIndex
Latam, South Asia, Africa, and even (this will surprise many) much of developed East Asia is currently cheap relative to Western Europe and (especially) the US.
But it’s a considerable hassle to move there even if you have multiple passports and savings.
Ideally a US or European worker should have as little barriers to moving for a job to some other state as to Kyoto or Kochi (and the other way round as well).
I think this is the logical outlook of elite human capital.
And that leaves off considerations of political stability and the repeatedly observable fact that people like to live in neighborhoods of their own kind.
While, in theory, I think it would be possible to encourage and create such neighborhoods in a mutually beneficial way (on a constrained scale), it doesn't seem very politically feasible, due to the rhetoric of extreme universalism and rabid anti-racism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
___Of course, current 'feminist' Leftoid ideologies have to be defeated in communities with above average HBD genetics. But, that is a separate issue.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3EPEACE 😇
Ukraine's low TFR would have severely hurt it, but it also had a large population base and could have relied on cheaper ways to oppose the Russians like bombs. The issue that I have, however, is that I'm not convinced that a Ukrainian insurgency could have actually been able to inflict the kinds of losses that would have been necessary for Russia to withdraw from Ukraine. If Algeria is anything to go by, France required losses in the low tens of thousands before it was actually willing to withdraw from Algeria. And Algerians lost hundreds of thousands of their own people in this struggle. I'm have significant doubts that Ukrainians would have voluntarily been willing to endure those kinds of losses. And even then (which, again, I suspect would have been unlikely), it might not have been enough. Russia might have withdrawn from the territories west of Kiev but nevertheless permanently held onto Kiev (after physically removing most of its disloyal population), Left-Bank Ukraine, and Novorossiya for itself (since those territories would have had a less severe insurgency/terrorism problem, thus making them easier for Russia to manage).
Philippe Lemoine argues that Russia should have simply been allowed to conquer Ukraine so that the West could have subsequently funded an anti-Russian insurgency in Ukraine 'coz it's cheaper than funding a conventional war effort against Russia and also (in his view) less likely to severely piss Russia off. What do you think?Replies: @Mr. XYZ
But in this case Russia is seeking to eradicate the Ukrainian state entirely and turn Russia into a massive empire capable of achieving global hegemony. Yeah, I agree that what Russia is doing is actually far worse and I apologize for what I said earlier.Replies: @AP
Russia taking Crimea and Donbas was in the same category as NATO removing Kosovo from Serbia. It was a bit worse for the reasons I described (Kosovo 90% Albanian, versus Crimea 60% Russian and Donbas 50% Russian), but in the same general category. It follows precedent that NATO itself started. Most people in the annexed territories don’t mind the annexation.
Russia grabbing and occupying ethnic Ukrainian areas and annexing them is already an entirely different phenomenon. This is 1930s and 1940s level activities.
Russia seeking to take all of Ukraine is even worse, as you said.
It’s my understanding that even a limited nuclear strike will negatively effect the lives of millions of Ukrainians, and would also spill over into neighboring countries. Just how many civilian lives do you think that Russia is entitled to eviscerate in order to achieve their “might be a sort of win” for them, anyway? Is there a point where the ends don’t justify the means in your way of thinking?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12283413/Female-Army-officer-brings-Joe-Bidens-nuclear-football-Downing-Street-40lb-titanium-case-allow-president-launch-atomic-attack.html
Check out the WWII style uniform the woman is wearing. The uniform changes were announced in 2018, probably as part of an effort to psychologically prepare US citizens for WWIII.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/10/14/73046081-0-image-a-2_1688997044197.jpg
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/us-army-new-uniforms.html?Exc_TM_LessThanPoint001_p1=1
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/64/2018/12/800px-us_army_wwii_officer_pinks_and_greens_uniform-768x1215.jpgReplies: @QCIC, @Negronicus
At least she’s not a tranny!
Did they air brush something in the picture above her right knee?
Nuclear codes or extra Depends?
It's funny you'd mention the tranny thing, as when I was looking for corresponding pics of the WWII era style uniform she was wearing, I came across pics of the old 1970's Wonder Woman series featuring Lyle Waggoner and Lynda Carter (the latter was indeed hawt in her day :-) ).
And (unfortunately, before I could stop it from happening) the thought passed my mind that if they were to redo the series today, there was a real chance that they might make both Wagonner's 'Steve Trevor' character and Carter's 'Wonder Woman' into trannies, which is damned revolting! :-(
https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/65/2019/01/800px-wonder_woman_lynda_carter_and_lyle_waggoner.jpgReplies: @QCIC
You maybe could fit Kashogi's chopped up corpse in those suitcases.Replies: @S, @S
Simple, concise, and covers everything.https://peacepalacelibrary.nl/sites/default/files/styles/featured_image/public/2022-08/Public%20international%20law6.jpg?itok=j2K8j4Z4
Thousands of Law Libraries scattered around the planet used to adjudicate all manner of human affairs, used to promote an unwieldly system where issues only multiply and nobody seems to ever be content with the outcome. Cases are appealed through many bureaucratic layers where those with the money (big corporations, woke cultural organizations) often buy the decisions that they're looking for.Replies: @Sean, @John Johnson
You start by trying to justify the moral law by its utility..The authority of which you speak covers everything with certainty because it takes no account of circumstances, and in this world–as you end by admitting–the person following its commandments will not see his efforts crowned with success. There are people like that, but states no. A state is expected to not go to war to stop its security situation from deteriorating because that is not ethical in the Kantian sense?
The aim of every state is to be as secure as feasibly possible against other states, but it is a fine balance to do this without provoking them and impelling them into strengthening their position; becoming too secure is actually a waystation on the road to no security and war. Therefore, if the goal to not be attacked one should not (unless you are dealing with a non -consequentialist state wedded to Kantian ethical norms ) aim to attain total security because it will always be at the expense of another country that will decide that as it is becoming progressively less secure the time has come when it must fight.
Got that Mr Hack!?Replies: @Mr. Hack
Oh, I got it all right, but the Ukrainian cause is a noble one, defending ones borders from uninvited neighbors is what states do in order to preserve their sovereignty. Everybody in the world can see what the big bully Russia is up to and is against it save a few totally deranged kremlin stooges.
Got that Mickey Averko!?
United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-11/4
The resolution was passed with an overwhelming vote of 143 in favour, 5 against and 35 abstaining.[2]
This resolution achieved more votes in favour of condemning Russia’s actions than Resolution ES-11/1, the initial resolution on the Russian invasion of Ukraine which demanded that Russia withdraw its forces from Ukraine.[3]
Against 5 Belarus, North Korea, Nicaragua, Russian Federation, Syria
These are the types of governments that you’ve come to align yourself with, Mickey. Shame on you, and you call yourself an American? Just a straggling “fellow traveler”, a leftover from the 1950’s – Got that, Mickey!
Did they air brush something in the picture above her right knee?
Nuclear codes or extra Depends?Replies: @S, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke
LOL! They like to showcase ‘diversity’ whenever they can via the person carrying the codes, ie often times it’s a Black male, or, as here, a woman. So, I imagine it’s only a matter of time..
It’s funny you’d mention the tranny thing, as when I was looking for corresponding pics of the WWII era style uniform she was wearing, I came across pics of the old 1970’s Wonder Woman series featuring Lyle Waggoner and Lynda Carter (the latter was indeed hawt in her day 🙂 ).
And (unfortunately, before I could stop it from happening) the thought passed my mind that if they were to redo the series today, there was a real chance that they might make both Wagonner’s ‘Steve Trevor’ character and Carter’s ‘Wonder Woman’ into trannies, which is damned revolting! 🙁
Good grief, Charlie Brown!
The West’s unreasonable commitment to destroying Russia could lead to nuclear escalation since there is no off-ramp for Russia other than surrender or killing the last Ukrainian. I think this Western commitment is mostly ideological and fueled by seething hatred and is only somewhat practical. The practical side is driven by some analysis of the facts regarding Russia’s ability to withstand this multi-pronged attack. It seems the practical side of their thinking is simply incorrect, which leaves the emotional side. This conflict may not end until the people driving this in the West are removed. This seems to require enough escalation to scare the shit out of the semi-reasonable people surrounding the provocateurs and have a mutiny in the Cabinet.
I think this escalation trap is another reason Russia is playing the slow game. There is no one in the USA for her to reason with. If they back off, the West will push harder. So going slow may be giving the leaders in the West time to discredit themselves internally. I don’t know if this ‘leadership’ is Nuland, Blinken and Sullivan or other more substantial people out of sight.
Considering how ideological this seems to be, one problem for Russia is that postbellum some third party might give Ukrainian crazies a nuke to retaliate against Russia. It is not clear who Russia can squeeze to prevent this, other than directly threatening the USA with nuclear retaliation if such a thing occurs. This would be an attempt to force the US to insure Russian security. This nuclear brinksmanship is where the Neocons have brought us.
It's funny you'd mention the tranny thing, as when I was looking for corresponding pics of the WWII era style uniform she was wearing, I came across pics of the old 1970's Wonder Woman series featuring Lyle Waggoner and Lynda Carter (the latter was indeed hawt in her day :-) ).
And (unfortunately, before I could stop it from happening) the thought passed my mind that if they were to redo the series today, there was a real chance that they might make both Wagonner's 'Steve Trevor' character and Carter's 'Wonder Woman' into trannies, which is damned revolting! :-(
https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/65/2019/01/800px-wonder_woman_lynda_carter_and_lyle_waggoner.jpgReplies: @QCIC
Of course there are people who believe the leads in the recent WW movies ARE crypto-trannies.
Good grief, Charlie Brown!
Did they air brush something in the picture above her right knee?
Nuclear codes or extra Depends?Replies: @S, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke
The big guy’s medicines.
You maybe could fit Kashogi’s chopped up corpse in those suitcases.
They ought to have simply left it at 'nuclear codes' instead of screwing with things like they so often do. :-)
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/gmaps.jsp?indexToShow=getRentIndex
Latam, South Asia, Africa, and even (this will surprise many) much of developed East Asia is currently cheap relative to Western Europe and (especially) the US.
But it's a considerable hassle to move there even if you have multiple passports and savings.
Ideally a US or European worker should have as little barriers to moving for a job to some other state as to Kyoto or Kochi (and the other way round as well).
I think this is the logical outlook of elite human capital.Replies: @songbird, @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
IMO, there are only so many attractive climatic zones without horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites.
And that leaves off considerations of political stability and the repeatedly observable fact that people like to live in neighborhoods of their own kind.
While, in theory, I think it would be possible to encourage and create such neighborhoods in a mutually beneficial way (on a constrained scale), it doesn’t seem very politically feasible, due to the rhetoric of extreme universalism and rabid anti-racism.
The bulletin board dialog might be a scream if you had an Asatru startup commune.
And that leaves off considerations of political stability and the repeatedly observable fact that people like to live in neighborhoods of their own kind.
While, in theory, I think it would be possible to encourage and create such neighborhoods in a mutually beneficial way (on a constrained scale), it doesn't seem very politically feasible, due to the rhetoric of extreme universalism and rabid anti-racism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
https://thenetworkstate.com/dashboard
The bulletin board dialog might be a scream if you had an Asatru startup commune.
I may be posting more sporadically due to a trip to a country that supports Ukraine (I will only spend money in such countries).Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow
You don’t seem to understand that Nato did it first. That matters, it literally established a precedent. Then Iraq, Afgh, Syria etc…a number of aggressive Nato wars.
Who killed more civilians depends on the size of the country, level of resistance and a few other factors like how long the war lasts. Don’t get caught up in the weeds.
The Nato wars are also celebrated in the West, the leaders who did them were rewarded. That creates a completely ridiculous situation where people who started aggressive wars are now apoplectic that someone else dares to do it – and are willing to possibly end humanity to make that point. (Mind you, Russia has better arguments on its side than Nato had in Serbia, Iraq…but let’s put that aside.)
Not even Anglos – and you – can be that hypocritical, or can you? Maybe it is the end of the Western collective mental journey so you crave an actual ending. But in the meantime it just looks absurd and ridiculous.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/gmaps.jsp?indexToShow=getRentIndex
Latam, South Asia, Africa, and even (this will surprise many) much of developed East Asia is currently cheap relative to Western Europe and (especially) the US.
But it's a considerable hassle to move there even if you have multiple passports and savings.
Ideally a US or European worker should have as little barriers to moving for a job to some other state as to Kyoto or Kochi (and the other way round as well).
I think this is the logical outlook of elite human capital.Replies: @songbird, @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Diluting EHC by scattering it about the globe would have disastrous consequences. It would devastate HBD by down mating, or worse yet refusal to down mate.
Physically collecting genetic elite while young is the logical outlook based on HBD considerations of family formation. Attending Radcliffe once was the path towards finding a Harvard husband.
___
Of course, current ‘feminist’ Leftoid ideologies have to be defeated in communities with above average HBD genetics. But, that is a separate issue.
PEACE 😇
People who think the end does not justify the means would not have invaded Ukraine in the first place. The Pro Ukraine end is to enforce a global rules based order, an unfeasible end, because Russia simplely cannot be treated as a rogue state–it has too many options and escalatory dominance. In a nutshell the Russians’ sheer proximity means they care more about Ukraine and will go further to keep it than America and the West will go to punish them for doing that. But that only applies to the intensity, not the duration, and the West can stretch this war out and start up some production lines to keep Ukraine supplied with enough advanced weapons to keep it doing well. So far in Ukraine whichever side has been on the defence has an advantage. Maybe an insurmountable one. If the West gives Ukraine the military wherewithal to imperceptibly wear down the Russian army oven time, then the Russians are going to quickly realise that they are the proverbial frog being slowly boiled.
I do think that for the Kremlin in the dawn of the aforementioned realisation, the end of terminating the war by a carefully measured and controlled use of nuclear weapons is an attractive option in comparison to it going on ad infinitum. The pundits saying it is unlikely are mistaken I am certain there are people in the Kremlin who are seriously considering it. It is known that there have been full dress rehearsals with special nuclear missiles fitted with dummy warheads fired into Ukraine.
Civilian deaths would be relatively few and collateral to the end of liquidating targeted Ukrainian military concentration(s), who ought not to be encouraged to think they are untouchable while concealed among non combatants. Russians would not be getting anything that can meaningfully be called a win by Western lights. They have different ideas about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_biathlon
Do Russian chicks dig tanks?
Prius is the vehicle of the Killjoy.Replies: @John Johnson
Do Russian chicks dig tanks?
Anyone that pulls into a Russian town with a tank and vodka is probably getting some. Doesn’t matter which side.
Prius is the vehicle of the Killjoy.
Both Honda and Ford assumed that hybrid owners would prefer a vehicle that drove like a car.
Turned out that most hybrid owners wanted to be seen in a hybrid.
The Fusion was actually discontinued even though it had rave reviews. Our liberals wanted a Japanese car that looked like a hybrid even though it drove like johnny cab and had a gaudy dash. Driving one of the older ones in sunlight is awful. The sun reflects off the giant screen.
Tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity. 💯 You can move to low crime cities and areas.Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
You can move to low crime cities and areas.
You can’t move away from the income tax.
California is a preview of what is to come for the rest of the nation.
Massively high taxes and a liberal establishment that continues to blame Whites while believing “one more program” is needed. A social welfare system pushed to the brink while Whites are simply expected to find more money if they want kids.
I live in rural America where White people sometimes have to start over.
Meaning they have some advanced degree but come here to learn a trade or start a small business because they are better off having their kids in “good skooz” even if they make less money.
This was after spending time in the city working some White collar job because that is how they were raised. Get your degree and everything will be fine. What a lie.
Simple, concise, and covers everything.https://peacepalacelibrary.nl/sites/default/files/styles/featured_image/public/2022-08/Public%20international%20law6.jpg?itok=j2K8j4Z4
Thousands of Law Libraries scattered around the planet used to adjudicate all manner of human affairs, used to promote an unwieldly system where issues only multiply and nobody seems to ever be content with the outcome. Cases are appealed through many bureaucratic layers where those with the money (big corporations, woke cultural organizations) often buy the decisions that they're looking for.Replies: @Sean, @John Johnson
Practical matters. correct decisions? Once man started to think that he could devise rules and laws better than what God had devised, man’s fate has been spiralling out of control, headed to Armageddon as God foresaw.
Man somehow did fine for over 100k years.
Then God decided to give the Jews his laws on some tablets.
Then he changed his mind a couple times on whether or not you can eat shrimp and lobster.
Right.
Would like to see all these disgraced Disney female execs given one last chance:
$100,000 to make a Nollywood action blockbuster. And, if it is successful, 2x the budget to make the sequel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Nigerian_films
PEACE 😇Replies: @A123
Man somehow did fine for over 100k years.
Then God decided to give the Jews his laws on some tablets.
Then he changed his mind a couple times on whether or not you can eat shrimp and lobster.
Right.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Something wrong that you’ve detected in His laws given to the Jews, other than they’re real hard to adhere to?
“Man somehow did fine for over 100k years.”
Did he? As I recall there was a lot of murdering going on….
I went out to the Red Lobster recently and enjoyed their shrimp fest special (kosher, I presume? 🙂 ) 6 different shrimp dishes, all you can eat, for $20 – a great deal!
Who said I didn’t understand? I stated that Kosovo was a precedent for Crimea.
You however do not understand that taking Crimea is completely different from taking Kherson. That distinction is apparently too complicated for a simpleton like you. NATO did not set a precedent for grabbing and annexing lands of another ethnic group. It didn’t take any Serb-inhabited provinces.
The last people in Europe to do that were Stalin and Hitler.
Nonsense. Kosovo was 90% Albanian, Crimea 60% Russian. Serbia had killed about 8,000 Albanian civilians when trying to crush the rebellion (NATO apologists had lied and claimed up to 100,000 – but 8,000 was plenty), Ukraine killed nobody when Crimea was taken, and even the Donbas rebellion resulted in “only” 2400 civilians killed by Kiev.
Although the Kosovo and Crimean cases were comparable, Russia was worse than NATO.
Anyways, your excuse “but NATO did it” is that of a grade school student caught doing something bad.
I think that you’re wrong here. I think that those that planned the Ukrainian invasion thought it would be over in about a month. If they would have forseen the long drawn out affair that its become, I think that they would have thought twice about launching this fruitless endeavor in the first place.
A global rules based order would be preferable than an unleashed and unmitigated disastrous war. Russia is already treated as a rogue state, and escalating this conflict will not end this status. Prigozhin’s bold try at an assault on Moscow recently shows the way out of this nightmare. Putler needs to be removed and a new, more conciliatory and practical regime needs to be created.
In this the whole problem lies. A Putleresque Russia is like dealing with a madman, the sooner put into an insane asylum the better for everybody involved.
$100,000 to make a Nollywood action blockbuster. And, if it is successful, 2x the budget to make the sequel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Nigerian_filmsReplies: @A123
The latest set of Kathleen Kennedy rumors are that she has been engaging in financial impropriety. The Disney CFO left not long ago.
PEACE 😇
Here is a longer form review of the Kennedy financial misbehaviour allegations.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dRS4v8e4Gz0
If emails documenting misuse of funds exist KK is in big trouble. Even if she did not send them, she had a duty to report reviewing details about out-of-policy events.
PEACE 😇
It is not an excuse – it is the context of what is going on. You try to explain it away, but the 800 pound gorilla is sitting in the middle of this discussion: Nato did it first.
The sequence matters, and the fact that the Natoids were rewarded for it and nobody was held responsible. They simply have no standing to be yapping now – the Ukies by firmly allying with Nato also own it.
Bombing civilians for “self-determination” of another ethnic group, whether Albanians or Russians, is the same thing. You can’t treat one as a heroic act and the other one as the worst crime since WW2. And Nato did it first…you can’t dance away from that reality.
Regarding Kherson etc…wars are unpredictable, they release monsters within humanity, they often go much further than anyone planned. The logic of a war becomes to defeat the enemy by any means and take it all – there is no longer any principle or law involved, only who wins. Your belly-aching that Russia went too far is besides the point. Until Feb 2022 there was a reasonable deal available, but once the war started, each side will go as far as they can. Your bad luck is that Kiev is the weaker side. That’s why they should had taken the Minsk deal.
I think it is a bit of a fantasy to sort out the economic factors in Russia 1990-2015 since the West was on a post-Cold War mission to crush the remains of Russian industry. The loss of capability probably has as much to do with this external state pressure than it does with internal struggles encountered in the transition to a wildly new market system.
I think many of you are unnecessarily pessimistic about Russia's relative standing in S&T areas. This doesn't diminish the problems with corruption, oligarchs, Noviops, but those factors may be slightly less consequential than you think.Replies: @Dmitry
In the 1980s, Israel was more advanced in computer science than the Soviet Union. But mostly the famous Israeli computer scientists, are always braindraining.
Israel has one of the highest braindrains in the world, so when you read about the native scientists you can predict they mostly live in America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_cryptographers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_women_computer_scientists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_computer_scientists
Also, in the time of the 1980s/1990s, it’s possible the level of braindrain was even higher than today.
But in the 1990s, Israel is able to import from the Soviet Union large number of engineers, medical doctors, even many factory workers, as Israel uses import substitution to create a large working class.
The value of re-locating these people from the Soviet Union to Israel would have been at least tens of billions of dollars, probably hundreds of billions of dollars by now. It is a kind of asset-stripping.
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In the 1980s/1990s, in the USSR/Russian Federation, the government’s intelligence agencies were mass producing and distributing the antisemitic literature, they were promoting it as intentional policy. Suddenly, they stop around beginning of 21st century, reverse to promoting philosemitism.
In terms of “cui bono”, the main people to receive benefit of potential increased rate of immigrants in 1990s as result of the mass distribution of the antisemitic literature by the Soviet/Russian security service, is Israel and to smaller extent also the American hi-tech industry.
But”cui bono” is not always very reliable or replacement for the historical detail. For example, “cui bono” economically of the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, are countries like Armenia, which receive the Russian engineers. So, “cui bono” could imply Armenia is responsible for the invasion of Ukraine which would be a false positive.
In the 1990s, they have evenZeno’s logical paradox phrases about their attitude.
Even with the low numbers reported by government organizations, if you look in the details, a lot of things the government says is inside Russia, is outside Russia. For example, the government data includes companies like Acronis as part of the Russian hi-tech industry, which are completely not in Russia.
I’m sure Serg Bell will be surprised, the investment in his companies which are disconnected to Russia, was all included as part of last year’s investment in the Russian hi-tech sector.
Speaking of moral rules, the other day the Pentagon critter that was announcing the delivery of cluster munitions to Ukraine was asked if he wasn’t concerned that these munitions would cause harm to Ukrainian civilians and the bureaucrat brushed off the question by saying that the worst that could happen to Ukrainian civilians is to let Russia win the war.
To me it is spectacularly clear that these types don’t really care about the human consequences of their actions. Their goal is to defeat their military foe across the ocean and if that requires some dozens or hundreds of Ukrainian children dying through their choice of military aid, it doesn’t concern them too much. It’s just the logic of war that they’ve been applying as a matter of course during decades in multiple theaters leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths. Why would they care more about Ukrainian civilians than about Syrians or Iraqis?
But I would find it interesting to know what you think about this answer by the Pentagon spokesman. Do you think that Ukrainian civilians currently living under the rule of the Russians in the 4 occupied regions have it worse than those who will get killed and maimed in the future by unexploded cluster ordnance? Or do you agree that this is the kind of lies that military types need to constantly tell in order to justify their immoral actions?
As a reminder, Jen Psaki herself declared not long ago that the use of cluster munitions (by the Russians) was a war crime.
Russia considers cluster ammo to be fair game so I don't see why the moral question of the Ukrainians. They are fighting a defensive war and need every advantage they can get.
Russians have been using cluster ammunition from day one so I don't see why you view this as a moral paradox for Ukraine.
If you were in a defensive fight for you life you would grab any tool available.
US personnel mines are actually designed to deteriorate. I would actually like to see more data on US cluster shells. Would they actually survive a Ukrainian winter?
At one time Facebook owned the planet and that ape Zuckerberg fumbled it away by serial garbage treatment of its purported customers. (They were really the product but they still didn't deserve all the yanking they received.) When was the last time you heard anybody say anything nice about Facebook? Do you know anybody who has ever spent more than an hour in the Metaverse?Replies: @Dmitry
Probably, Musk doesn’t conscious know why he bought Twitter. At the beginning, he was trying to follow some kind of business logic, similar to corporate raiding, but in incorrect industry, with price many times higher than the companies’ assets. But in wider context, it is a big “potlatch”.
Zuck is native of this industry i.e. social media. We can guess with the Threads he would ordinary business logic, as it is a simple social media area of the business, even if he is sometimes failing, while maybe his decisions are less logical in the VR things.
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As aside from the potlatch, to talk about Musk’s actual business, the more interesting area is building factories in Mexico.
Is this a good idea to add your greatest investments in a country where cartels are still controlling some of the local power?
It’s his largest investment of his career, is to build the manufacturing in Mexico for the Model 2.
Moving the manufacturing to Mexico will probably be viewed as one of the genius stages of his business career, like going to China was in 2019. It has less of geopolitical risk, on the other hand more regulated labor and probably some other issues.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-Model-2-launch-delayed-for-2025-as-its-Gigafactory-in-Mexico-faces-union-labor-cost-challenges.728765.0.html
You are surely right about the inconclusive conventional military campaign devolving into a brutish chest to chest struggle on the front lines as we have more than a year later, which must have come as a horribly unexpected surprise, but I do believe that the Russians anticipated an Afghanistan style insurgency going on for many years west of the Dnieper; why wouldn’t they given that Ukraine is a huge country with borders with Nato states and an overwhelmingly hostile-to-Russia ethnic Ukrainian population in its west. I do not believe Putin thought it could be like Crimea, and in my view Putin considered the invasion the better choice between it and Ukraine becoming a prosperous Poland-like part of the Western alliance while Russia stood by impotently.
Putin could decide to pull back to the Z start lines, ask for terms (not clear that Ukraine would be willing to stop fighting in that situation), of just cease offensive operations, but he would face huge obstacles in convincing public opinion. Prigozhin or anyone else would completely lack the authority for such a huge U turn, even if the public and Z forces were evenly divided, which it is not .
Let us assume that Putin was ousted, or succeeded (chosen successors often behave differently than those who chose them as such expected), by someone who was convinced that for the good of Russia as a state the war ought to be ended with the war. The new leader could scarcely act on his belief without risking mass demos and refusal to obey him; he would need to educate the people and army commanders up to the necessity of ending the war and that would take years. He as an unknown new leader could hardly just withdraw from Ukraine after all the loss of young husbands and sons and the people being told that the sacrifice had achieved great victories against an evil enemy bent on the destruction of Russia and indirectly supported by most of the world highly advances countries. The new occupant of the Kremlin is supposed to tell Russia that relative runt Ukraine has suddenly beaten them and Russia will have to evacuate ethic Russians from occupied Ukrain, withdraw, supply free energy to and pay huge cash reparations to Ukraine so they can get all new top notch infrastructure? Too much blood has flowed for that to happen now. While “Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim”, the Russians remember what they are doing.
Russia might become more enlightened and yet retain its Russian particularities, its possible, but Russia as it is today has a certain bellicose and at the same time maudlin ethos about taking any amount of suffering to eventually triumph and Putin did not create that he is more a manifestation of it. For the cultural construct to alter would take more than a new leader, the masses will have to understand their country has not merely been checked but completely defeated, and who in their right mind would try to do that to Russia?
Maybe the next generation of EHC is not raised by the current generation of EHC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_cryptographers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_women_computer_scientists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_computer_scientistsAlso, in the time of the 1980s/1990s, it's possible the level of braindrain was even higher than today. But in the 1990s, Israel is able to import from the Soviet Union large number of engineers, medical doctors, even many factory workers, as Israel uses import substitution to create a large working class. The value of re-locating these people from the Soviet Union to Israel would have been at least tens of billions of dollars, probably hundreds of billions of dollars by now. It is a kind of asset-stripping. - In the 1980s/1990s, in the USSR/Russian Federation, the government's intelligence agencies were mass producing and distributing the antisemitic literature, they were promoting it as intentional policy. Suddenly, they stop around beginning of 21st century, reverse to promoting philosemitism. In terms of "cui bono", the main people to receive benefit of potential increased rate of immigrants in 1990s as result of the mass distribution of the antisemitic literature by the Soviet/Russian security service, is Israel and to smaller extent also the American hi-tech industry. But"cui bono" is not always very reliable or replacement for the historical detail. For example, "cui bono" economically of the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, are countries like Armenia, which receive the Russian engineers. So, "cui bono" could imply Armenia is responsible for the invasion of Ukraine which would be a false positive. In the 1990s, they have evenZeno's logical paradox phrases about their attitude. Even with the low numbers reported by government organizations, if you look in the details, a lot of things the government says is inside Russia, is outside Russia. For example, the government data includes companies like Acronis as part of the Russian hi-tech industry, which are completely not in Russia. I'm sure Serg Bell will be surprised, the investment in his companies which are disconnected to Russia, was all included as part of last year's investment in the Russian hi-tech sector.Replies: @QCIC
My notion is that a lot of Russian Jews moved to Israel starting in the 1960’s. The smart ones kept going to the West (just passing through), the dumber ones stayed. Most of them are informal spies for Israel.
As aside from the potlatch, to talk about Musk's actual business, the more interesting area is building factories in Mexico. Is this a good idea to add your greatest investments in a country where cartels are still controlling some of the local power? It's his largest investment of his career, is to build the manufacturing in Mexico for the Model 2. Moving the manufacturing to Mexico will probably be viewed as one of the genius stages of his business career, like going to China was in 2019. It has less of geopolitical risk, on the other hand more regulated labor and probably some other issues. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-Model-2-launch-delayed-for-2025-as-its-Gigafactory-in-Mexico-faces-union-labor-cost-challenges.728765.0.htmlReplies: @QCIC
The best way to make mass EV market penetration work is with massive additions of nuclear power. Is Musk pushing this? It almost doesn’t matter, I expect there will be too many EVs long before one could build a bunch of new nuclear plants.
So what are the implications?
Your EV qua transportation device is not really your own because you don’t control the grid. This will lead to forced ride sharing and scheduled trips to control total electric demand. This is someone’s version of personalized mass transportation being foisted off on people.
The combination of EV and nukes is not so bad since EVs can charge at night and keep the load on nuclear plants reasonably constant.
I have mixed feelings about nuclear power, but the combination is good. The integration of EVs with solar is not so great unless you want to charge in the day and drive at night.
Since coal has been effectively banned (for the moment) EVs are simply substituting natural gas for oil. A nice Ponzi scheme.
More of the educated Moroccan Jews immigrated to France or Canada. While more of the peasants/working class Moroccan are in Israel.
Most of the Israelis are descendants of the third/second world immigrants. But the more educated of those immigrant groups are going to the Western countries.
As result, Israel has a majority of those working class/lower middle class kind of people. Majority of the people and atmosphere of the country becomes more working class or redneck than you would expect relative for its high income level.
Culture of the Russian-speakers in Israel is more like a very provincial and lower-middle class city in the postsoviet space. While nuclear power? It's very slow, the real cost (including waste disposal, risk management etc) a lot more expensive than wind or solar without the storage and it's potentially very dangerous and less sustainable.
The issue with wind and solar is just natural variability which adds cost also of the storage. But price of batteries is still falling radpily Your conclusion is correct, but not the reason. You don't own petrol supply (unless you own the land where there is oil in California), so you don't own your ICE vehicle?
Reason you more don't own the car than in past years, is because cars become more dependent on the software which is owned by the manufacturer. Tesla is similar to an iPhone which the company can convert to brick when it wants.
Tesla hype was based a lot in their software dependences, in this the car can seem more like netflix subscription than owning of a DVD.
Tesla is very proprietary as well, you can't fix many parts without manufacturer. With Gigacasting any damage for the chassis would require a new total chassis.
You know, in the third world or places like Cuba where there is an embargo for trading, the local mechanics continue the old cars for 60 years or more. I'm not sure you would be able to with current generations of cars. Remember there is also multiple more energy efficiency in the conversion of the chemical energy to the kinetic energy in the power plant, in comparison than in a mobile car engine, so there is lower energy consumption overall with an EV.
On the other hand, there are things like average higher weight of EVs which a bit reduce this energy efficiency advantage. Higher weight of EVs could also add to problems in terms of greater injury in auto accidents.
Also remember there are countries with high levels of renewables in their electricity generation. In Norway, there is almost complete hydropower generation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Norway
Ireland and Great Britain have fast increase in use of the wind energy for electricity generation.
Denmark already has a majority of renewable energy island in Bornholm, although not completely successful.Replies: @QCIC
Armoured fighting vehicle offence simply does not work for anyone in the Ukraine war. So it will go on interminably until the Russians quit or use a nuke.
Part of Hotz’s idea with Tiny Corp is to use the promotion of EVs as a camouflage to give people powerful computers that will have the electrical profile of EVs and thus be under the radar of the Feds, but be powerful enough to use large language models, etc.
I get it. Sort of like promoting EVs to cover up your big electric bill for growing marijuana in the attic.Replies: @songbird
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/gmaps.jsp?indexToShow=getRentIndex
Latam, South Asia, Africa, and even (this will surprise many) much of developed East Asia is currently cheap relative to Western Europe and (especially) the US.
But it's a considerable hassle to move there even if you have multiple passports and savings.
Ideally a US or European worker should have as little barriers to moving for a job to some other state as to Kyoto or Kochi (and the other way round as well).
I think this is the logical outlook of elite human capital.Replies: @songbird, @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Isn’t it beneficial to have as much EHC as possible in one place (or several places, at least) so that they could cooperate and coordinate on research more effectively, et cetera? (The Hive Mind effect, if you will.) This is the benefit of Western countries who decide to pursue a cognitively elitist immigration policy on a large scale, such as Canada. Of course, ideally EHC would reproduce above replacement level so that the West could export some of its EHC to the developing world to help them develop while still having plenty of EHC back at home and also importing the Third World’s EHC.
Tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity. 💯 You can move to low crime cities and areas.Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Racism I would think should imply animus. Poles I don’t think so much have animus so much as not wanting to have Charlie Hebdo-style Muslim terrorist massacres in their own country as well as to turn large parts of their own country into Detroit.
Moving to low-crime cities and areas is relatively easy if you live in the West, but less so if you live in the developing world in a lot of cases since over there often much of the country is extremely homicidal:
Even the least violent provinces in Brazil are more homicidal than the most violent US states, apparently. At least this was the case as of 2015. Maybe individual cities in Brazil could be less homicidal, but still, they might be rather rare. Especially outside of gated communities, which as I previously said, I would presume are very expensive.
BTW, off-topic, but in regards to your comments about surrogacy: How is surrogacy meaningfully different from giving financially insecure people incentives to do other things that they might not want to do in an ideal world? For instance, giving a poor person financial incentives to do dangerous jobs, such as serving in combat in the military or, say, building a skyscraper or a hyper-elevated bridge? Or, for that matter, prostitution, including the kind of de facto high class prostitution that involves a sugar daddy and their sugar baby? (There’s even a thread on Reddit from several years ago about a 24-year-old straight man who is engaged to a 51-year-old gay male sugar daddy and who frequently has gay sex with him not because he genuinely wants to do this (at least relative to an ideal world), but rather because he enjoys doing it for the old man’s money, so that he himself could get a much better quality of life. Before he met this rich old gay man, he worked a minimum wage job at a warehouse, apparently.) Why exactly is de facto selling one’s body to some rich sugar daddy perfectly acceptable, even for a poor and desperate person, but selling one’s body in the form of surrogacy isn’t? Both involve things being done to one’s body that are consensual but that one would not want to do (at least in this specific form) in an ideal world, if one was more financially secure. Surrogacy is at least I would presume eugenic since one needs to have money to be able to afford a surrogate, even a Third World one. And while I certainly agree with the need for better options, this shouldn’t mean that the option of a surrogate should be taken away–simply that better options should be created alongside it, such as easier immigration/guest worker programs to the developed world, artificial wombs, et cetera.
This is similar to an argument that Bryan Caplan uses in favor of Gulf state guest programs. As in, Yes, they could be much better and much less abusive, but even in their current form, having them is still a net plus relative to not having them because they help lift a sizable number of Third Worlders out of poverty:
https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://www.econlib.org/open-borders-in-the-new-yorker/
The same logic I would presume applies to surrogacy. It’s similar to Westerners who criticize Chinese deals to the Third World as debt-traps. Even if one genuinely believes these allegations, the problem is that you can’t beat something with nothing. If the West dislikes what China is offering to the Third World, then rather than pressuring China to withdraw its offers, the West should offer the Third World better offers. Similarly, if you care so much about Third World women who become surrogates for Westerners, maybe you should support giving them the option of immigrating to Russia en masse in order to secure a better life for themselves and their descendants that way.
And as a side note, Mexican women appear to be rather enthusiastic about becoming surrogates:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7bxmz/mexico-surrogacy-facebook
Maybe that’s a problem. Maybe it would be better if more of them could immigrate to the US and other Western countries (though the US has already accepted an enormous number of Mexican immigrants over the last several decades). But it doesn’t seem like these Mexican women are being fully naive dupes in regards to this.
IIRC there were roughly about 7k Bosniak bodies identified by DNA testing after excavating the remains at those places way later, but have no idea what number was published in NYT when doing primary reportings.
btw, Jews due to their religious quirks are arguably doing quite the disfavour to themselves by refusing to let excavate mass shootings sites in former USSR as it would be forbidden disturbance of the dead by Judaistic interpretations even if identification and reburial is possible now thanx to current technologies.
Great. More AI.
I get it. Sort of like promoting EVs to cover up your big electric bill for growing marijuana in the attic.
But scale always seems to favor the government, and I am not too sure a personal chatbot would be flip the balance.
It's an interesting question what libertarians would do with more teraflops, though.
Something wrong that you’ve detected in His laws given to the Jews, other than they’re real hard to adhere to?
I’m not convinced that Moses simply didn’t come up with them on his own.
Wasn’t there so really can’t say.
Did he? As I recall there was a lot of murdering going on….
Certainly wasn’t stopped by Christianity. The worst wars were in post-pagan Europe.
I went out to the Red Lobster recently and enjoyed their shrimp fest special (kosher, I presume? 🙂 ) 6 different shrimp dishes, all you can eat, for $20 – a great deal!
My point was that Muslims and Jews still can’t agree even amongst themselves on the shellfish rules. Not sure why God would care in the first place. The rules most likely came from red tide and not God deciding that lobster should never be touched. I’m fine with the eel rule. Frigging gross.
I stopped going to Red Lobster quite a while ago. They raised the price too much for what you get.
All the seafood restaurants are really trying to skimp these days because there is no snow crab and everything else is expensive. A lot of lobster pasta and Vietnamese shrimp. I grill my own steak/shrimp and stopped going.
The Pro Ukraine end is to enforce a global rules based order, an unfeasible end, because Russia simplely cannot be treated as a rogue state–it has too many options and escalatory dominance.
Russia already was a rogue state.
The dictator was allowed Crimea and the West still bought his oil and natural gas. Only minimal sanctions were passed.
Being dictator of the world’s largest country wasn’t enough. Putin wanted to go out by rebuilding Imperial Russia with non-NATO states. Moldova was to be added after Ukraine and Belarus was going to slowly absorbed. That would massively increase the population and GDP of Russia…well had it worked. Russia’s GDP will be below Mexico when this is over.
In a nutshell the Russians’ sheer proximity means they care more about Ukraine and will go further to keep it than America and the West will go to punish them for doing that.
Further than America? What are you talking about? We are sending old military stock that doesn’t equal more than 1% of the US military budget.
The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting. They don’t want to be under the boot of Putin and even if America went neutral their desire to be independent wouldn’t change. They never wanted to be part of the USSR either. Not a single Soviet state allowed a vote of the people. Hungary proved in 1956 that it wasn’t a voluntary alliance and all countries were under occupation by Moscow.
I do think that for the Kremlin in the dawn of the aforementioned realisation, the end of terminating the war by a carefully measured and controlled use of nuclear weapons is an attractive option in comparison to it going on ad infinitum.
Using a nuke against what? Troops? In Donbas? That would signal that Russia has lost a conventional war to a smaller opponent. No going back on that.
The world is already against Russia and there would be even more unity in the form of additional sanctions.
The ruble would crash as traders would agree that Putin really is bat-sh-t crazy.
Then what? Economic chaos for Russia? Wow this 2.5 week operation is really going well. It went from Putin talking about preventing the expansion of NATO and now he sets off a nuke to … do what exactly? Show that he can’t fight the Ukrainians without cheating?
I'm not sure it matters. Russia can always fix the sanctions problem by tricking the USA or Iran into closing the Straight of Hormuz.
With Ukraine so close to her border, Russia has escalation dominance. That is why she is going slowly and preserving most of Ukraine, because she can. If that position slips for some reason then Russia can change plans and destroy Ukraine.
I still think Lvov is the main nuclear target.Replies: @John Johnson
Did they air brush something in the picture above her right knee?
Nuclear codes or extra Depends?Replies: @S, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke
Might be a boy
I figured it out. She must have a hole in her pocket and something slid down her pants leg.
Not every ape is as clever as Cornelius.
What is the current situation with the Western sanctions? They seem to be a major failure after having some sanctions for 9 years and heavy sanctions for almost 2 years. Are there any recent public statements by Russian figures suggesting otherwise?
I’m not sure it matters. Russia can always fix the sanctions problem by tricking the USA or Iran into closing the Straight of Hormuz.
With Ukraine so close to her border, Russia has escalation dominance. That is why she is going slowly and preserving most of Ukraine, because she can. If that position slips for some reason then Russia can change plans and destroy Ukraine.
I still think Lvov is the main nuclear target.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-mp-admits-funding-ukraine-war-led-to-rubles-collapse/ar-AA1dFUSmThe Russian bank is most likely lying just like the rest of Russian society. Which means the bottom could collapse at any moment. More 5d chess I'm sure. Must be some grand game Putin is playing that we mortals can't understand. But the theory of Fortress Roosa is definitely a failure. I pointed out when this war started that Russia had expanded Western dependencies since the collapse of the USSR. Putin however thought the war would be over in 2.5 weeks and everything would be fine. How is that 2.5 week SMO going? I’m not sure it matters. Russia can always fix the sanctions problem by tricking the USA or Iran into closing the Straight of Hormuz.Oh ok. Iran will trash the world economy because some Slavic dwarf is throwing a tantrum over his disaster of an invasion. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I still think Lvov is the main nuclear target.So Putin defenders have gone from Ukraine is so doomed cause Russian military is unstoppable to let's talk nuke targets. Yea going really well for you bootlickers. FYI most of the tank force hasn't arrived and the last batches of Russian POWs say that the situation is hopeless.Replies: @QCIC
I get it. Sort of like promoting EVs to cover up your big electric bill for growing marijuana in the attic.Replies: @songbird
Seems like for the past 40+ years or so, the idealists (and companies wanting to export) have been arguing somewhat unconvincingly that the PC revolution would increase freedom, rather than the power of the state.
But scale always seems to favor the government, and I am not too sure a personal chatbot would be flip the balance.
It’s an interesting question what libertarians would do with more teraflops, though.
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I concur with Beckow on these points: Replies: @Mr. XYZ
And that was ironically bad for Russia long-term since this ensured that Russia would lose the lives of millions of its young men and get decades of Bolshevism afterwards, with all of the subsequent demographic devastation. A quick German victory in WWI and a subsequent revival of the Three Emperors’ League would have been much better for Russia.
AFAIK, he did this because the Allies, to their eternal regret, refused to support an independent Ukraine back then.
They were allies of convenience against the Poles, no?
Would you feel better if Crimea was handed over to the Ottoman Empire in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk since a plurality of its population was still Muslim as late as 1897?
Stay with reality, then and now...let go off Wilsons, Ottomans, and over-eager know-nothing Anglo meddlers and all will be fine. But you don't seem to be able to.Replies: @Mikhail
You maybe could fit Kashogi's chopped up corpse in those suitcases.Replies: @S, @S
I don’t know why they say ‘football’ because it looks more like something that might carry a ‘bowling ball’, but saying ‘nuclear bowling ball’ doesn’t have quite the same panache as ‘nuclear football’, now, does it?
They ought to have simply left it at ‘nuclear codes’ instead of screwing with things like they so often do. 🙂
Russia grabbing and occupying ethnic Ukrainian areas and annexing them is already an entirely different phenomenon. This is 1930s and 1940s level activities.
Russia seeking to take all of Ukraine is even worse, as you said.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Agree with your analysis here. Crimea/Donbass 2014 can also be compared to Sudetenland 1938 or Danzig 1939. But Ukraine 2022 can be compared to Czechia/Poland 1939 or even USSR 1941.
In an American context, Ukraine 2022 is Canada 1812 while Crimea/Donbass 2014 is Texas 1836/1845. (California 1846/1848 is a bit of an ambiguous case; it did have the Bear Flag Revolt in 1846, but it wasn’t a huge rebellion on Texas’s scale. The number of rebels was much, much smaller. But at least these rebels already lived in California before this rebellion, I think–unlike with the rebels in William Walker’s subsequent unsuccessful filibustering expedition into Sonora.)
You maybe could fit Kashogi's chopped up corpse in those suitcases.Replies: @S, @S
Cash bribes for the ‘Big Guy’ could handily fit in those cases too. 😀
So to avoid signalling they have failed, they are going to go on for another 17 months and actually lose it by which time they will have suffered 100,000 killed in WW1 style meatgrind, dozens of Russian generals liquidated, and Crimea choked off in precision missile strikes?
The Russian hybrid war and then full invasion to gain control over Ukraine occurred against the overwhelming conventional military hegemony of Superpower America. It could only happen because Russia has nuclear weapons, and Putin has been explicitly using the threat of their use as an equalizer against NATO interference–defiantly saying he would be willing to use them rather than suffer a conventional defeat in Ukraine–from the begining of the SMO.
There are villages in Russia that look like something out of the ninetieth century and lack modern sanitation. so Russians would have to be satisfied, with less but many of them already have a low standard of living. Western European economies have much further to fall in global economic upheavals. Trying to defeat Putin will lead him to do something very bad to Ukraine that will hurt materially Russia, but he will prefer it to the collapse in national will that would follow losing the war in Ukraine. And I very much doubt Putin ever saw (he certainly cannot now see) Russia as strong enough to recreate the Russian empire into NATO countries. He faces NATO’s four to RusFed’s one on the ground in Europe, the imbalance is even less favourable to him in airpower (Zelensky has recently been scathing about the vast number of advanced warplanes NATO has patroling its borders while keeping him in the land of the promised).
Russian think they are actually fighting NATO rather than Ukraine, and they will see the use of a theatre thermonuclear weapon as a way to halt NATO. It is extremely questionable whether Putin accepting defeat would end it for Russia. Much more likely is the West decide to pour on the pressure and see if they can remove Russia’s ability to take military initiatives ever again by precipitating an internal revolution, turning it into a decentralised individualist country where the populace are pursuing their own private projects.
The most important parts of the world are, yet Russia is surely assigned a key role in the grand strategic plan China has in mind. A de-Putinised Russia would be a body blow to China’s scheme for a global order to their liking.
He had a genuinely pro-Russian orientation as svido handshakeworthy historian Mark von Hagen noted.
Partly. The Galicia of that era wasn’t what it later became known for.
The initial point was in reply to any belittling comment of Russia’s WW I effort which was quite effective against the Ottoman and Habsburgite forces. The problem with Germany had much to do with Russia not being as militarily prepared as it would’ve been had WW I started in 1916. That situation is what led to Stalin’s caution with seeking armed conflict against Germany in 1941.
Crimea was, is and will remain Russian, contrary to svido, neocon, neolib desires. The Rus Slav presence there predominated before the Tatars, who developed a slave trading enterprise from that territory.
That is just incoherent, you are reaching…
Stay with reality, then and now…let go off Wilsons, Ottomans, and over-eager know-nothing Anglo meddlers and all will be fine. But you don’t seem to be able to.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/05072023-cancel-the-2024-paris-summer-olympics-idea-oped/
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Stay with reality, then and now...let go off Wilsons, Ottomans, and over-eager know-nothing Anglo meddlers and all will be fine. But you don't seem to be able to.Replies: @Mikhail
A geopolitically incorrect comparison which svidos, neocons and neolibs duck:
https://www.eurasiareview.com/05072023-cancel-the-2024-paris-summer-olympics-idea-oped/
Excerpt –
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12283413/Female-Army-officer-brings-Joe-Bidens-nuclear-football-Downing-Street-40lb-titanium-case-allow-president-launch-atomic-attack.html
Check out the WWII style uniform the woman is wearing. The uniform changes were announced in 2018, probably as part of an effort to psychologically prepare US citizens for WWIII.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/10/14/73046081-0-image-a-2_1688997044197.jpg
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/us-army-new-uniforms.html?Exc_TM_LessThanPoint001_p1=1
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/64/2018/12/800px-us_army_wwii_officer_pinks_and_greens_uniform-768x1215.jpgReplies: @QCIC, @Negronicus
It would be quite funny to next see it snatched by two arabs on a motorbike. Because that’s what happens in London.
I'm not sure it matters. Russia can always fix the sanctions problem by tricking the USA or Iran into closing the Straight of Hormuz.
With Ukraine so close to her border, Russia has escalation dominance. That is why she is going slowly and preserving most of Ukraine, because she can. If that position slips for some reason then Russia can change plans and destroy Ukraine.
I still think Lvov is the main nuclear target.Replies: @John Johnson
What is the current situation with the Western sanctions? They seem to be a major failure after having some sanctions for 9 years and heavy sanctions for almost 2 years. Are there any recent public statements by Russian figures suggesting otherwise?
Ruble is one of the worst performing currencies of the year.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-mp-admits-funding-ukraine-war-led-to-rubles-collapse/ar-AA1dFUSm
The Russian bank is most likely lying just like the rest of Russian society. Which means the bottom could collapse at any moment. More 5d chess I’m sure. Must be some grand game Putin is playing that we mortals can’t understand.
But the theory of Fortress Roosa is definitely a failure. I pointed out when this war started that Russia had expanded Western dependencies since the collapse of the USSR. Putin however thought the war would be over in 2.5 weeks and everything would be fine. How is that 2.5 week SMO going?
I’m not sure it matters. Russia can always fix the sanctions problem by tricking the USA or Iran into closing the Straight of Hormuz.
Oh ok. Iran will trash the world economy because some Slavic dwarf is throwing a tantrum over his disaster of an invasion.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I still think Lvov is the main nuclear target.
So Putin defenders have gone from Ukraine is so doomed cause Russian military is unstoppable to let’s talk nuke targets. Yea going really well for you bootlickers.
FYI most of the tank force hasn’t arrived and the last batches of Russian POWs say that the situation is hopeless.
Don't forget, the USA dropping out of nuclear disarmament treaties such as the Anti-Ballitistic Missile treaty is a direct nuclear threat against Russia. One can argue if this threat was small, medium or large. As NATO expansion continued and the USA installed missile sites in Eastern Europe the threat against Russia clearly went to medium. The West is actively trying to threaten and pressure Russia with nuclear weapons. Now that the West is actively sponsoring a war in Ukraine against Russia I believe the threat of nuclear war is the highest since the USA bombed Japan. Worse than Korea and worse than Cuba.
One concern is that NATO will pull some stunt to immediately bring Ukraine under the NATO umbrella. If that happens I worry Russia might simply nuke Lvov to shut that nonsense down. Maybe we will all know by next week.Replies: @John Johnson
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*Even Lebanon's kafala system, can attract workers from countries like India or Ethiopia, but these are not workers who have alternative of living in Sweden or France and they remove their passports. This would only surely be true in terms of the "PPP adjustment", not in terms of the money in the bank. I think most immigrants are usually too smart to believe those adjustments. They compare the incomes in terms of the conversion to their own currency. Central Asia has more of the wide base on the population pyramid, while Armenia has demographics like Russia. Although some of the countries like Uzbekistan try to reduce their workers emigrating, I think they will continue to immigrate. Russia has generally the most oil, gas, metals, natural resources in the world. Even while the economy is not very successful, country will always have a lot of money, in comparison with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan. The longer term problem in Russia is probably more with specialists or skilled industries, where workers could emigrate. For working class, a lot of the population in Russia doesn't have many options in terms of emigration, only for internal immigration. As a result, the cities have large captive supply of the low income workers. Adding the Central Asian immigration is an additional boost for profits, especially of the construction industry.
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There is story in Russian media, the Americans are very excited about a video posted by Kimdotcom of the "graduates" dancing, because there are so many slender girls, not like America etc. The video had 8 million views, is actually from Simanovsky's private army in Ekaterinburg, a shop chain which sells Chinese products from the warehouse. The businessman Simanovsky has a cultic private army of thousands of the city's young workers for the warehouse, for a few dollars per hour. The job also includes boosting his patriotism to the local and federal politicians by doing North Korea cult dances. It's not like he has some problem supply of low income or captive workers in the city, who will go to those dances for a low income.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKkzFuNSlH0Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Coconuts, @Thulean Friend
No, the richest parts of Eastern Europe will soon be on par with Japan.
Tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity. 💯 You can move to low crime cities and areas.Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Also, a side question about pro-Western network states: Why exactly couldn’t such specific network states be incorporated into GAE? I mean, GAE is already rather diverse, including the core West, Eastern Europe, Israel, and most of non-Chinese East Asia. Network states would simply add a further layer of diversity to GAE. And of course certain parts of GAE are already becoming even more diverse through immigration.
Correct, it was a slave market.
They ought to remake the old sitcom Perfect Strangers, keep the same theme song.
Instead of a pseudo-Greek island, have Balki come from South Sudan. The opening sequence intercut with Larry moving from the suburbs, to Balki getting his face ritually scarred, going on a raid against the Mundari, and, then, amid the burning fires and smoke from village huts, handing his AK over to another family member, and then coming to America.
The way that you frame the question can only lead to one conclusion, unless you’re some kind of a sadist. Perhaps, you should first sort out the issues involved by asking yourself whether the new bombs to be used might not help the civilians in the long run rid themselves of an unwanted and unneeded aggressor? Are civilian casualties worth the price of freedom? Admittedly, tough questions that have no easy answers.
You are right that these heinous weapons may in the long run serve to give the survivors a better and more just life than they would have without them but I don't think I framed my question in any elaborate way to arrive at pre-ordained conclusions. This is what war is about, whether you are the aggressor or the defender, and the problem is rather that this kind of discussion is not held often and clear enough, if at all.
Cluster bombs do kill innocent people, often children. Someone using them or sending them to a far-away country to be used by someone else are making the conscious decision of causing an unknown number of innocent victims in the future and, as we saw the other day, they need to lie (perhaps to themselves as well) in order to make their decision look justified. Something's got to be wrong when people need to live in a lie.
I fear that with all my moralizing, which hardly no one else here looks too interested in, I may come across as a busybody too interested in judging what people far away from me do. But in fact I respect the very different decisions that Ukrainians are taking in this war. I have a lot of respect for those who have the courage to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country and also for those who just want to leave the mayhem and pay their way to safety for themselves and their families. You must have met some of the latter, as I have myself.
I fear that the people still living in Ukraine may face a terrible future that is being designed for them by outside forces. The Russians proved incapable of defeating Ukraine even when the help from the West had barely begun to arrive. But this may turn out to be worse for most ordinary civilians than a quick defeat would have been. The West has decided that Russia cannot be allowed to win and will pour as much military assistance as necessary to prevent that outcome. But how long is it going to take? With this new Ukrainian counteroffensive stalled, I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Even in the absence of any fatal escalation, we may be looking at many years of suffering.
I don't know how good or bad a Republican victory in the Spanish Civil War would have been for the Basque Country but the Nationalist victory was certainly tragic. All autonomic institutions were abolished, many of my co-ethnics were executed, exiled and tortured and Basque language and identity was prosecuted for decades. But I feel lucky that the war finally came to an end, regardless of who the victors were. I may not have even been born if someone from outside would have kept the war going on indefinitely, regardless of how much suffering to civilians this caused. When I was born Basque language was rather tolerated again but people would still be arrested and tortured if they were found carrying a Basque flag symbol in their possession (the hated "separatist flag"). However, my parents were able to lead a rather comfortable life under all this political oppression and raise quite a happy family. Luckily, Spain never acquired the strategic importance that Ukraine currently has.Replies: @Beckow, @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
An Irish volunteer who has been serving on the Ukrainian side for 17 months concludes at the 1:00 minute mark that the war in Ukraine is ‘a genocide’ of both the Russians and Ukrainians before he returns to Ireland presumably for good.
Episode 9 w/ Andrew Tate
PEACE 😇
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1678873144201818115?s=20Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel
Did Tate make Tucker Carlson fight in his octagon like he did with the Vice reporter? If you have a time stamp for that I definitely want to see it.
Wouldn’t it all be much easier to rid Russia of this batsh*t for brains dictator than let any of the scenarios that you’ve reviewed take hold? The parties that would do the removing would not come from the Russian right, but from the left, more interested in reestablishing good relations with the West. It’s been done before when the stakes weren’t nearly as high as right now, why not now? Assassination attempts against Putler have already been documented even before he put Russia and world at such a risky place…Wouldn’t you personally breathe a sigh of relief if Putler were to exit the stage? Anybody who would replace him, would need to tread very slowly and not make any more “bold moves”…..
The West is using Ukraine as a pawn against Russia in a dangerous game of nuclear brinksmanship.
Since you are a longtime Ukraine watcher it is embarrassing and ridiculous that you do not understand this larger picture driving the events in Ukraine.Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack
A Lithuanian freedom fighter with a cluster bomb would have been handy.
Ha ha just kidding. : )
Who is that on the far right?Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Do you have many Czechian friends that call themselves eastern Euros?
But in terms of the political history of second half of the 20th century, they were in this half of Europe which was controlled by Moscow after 1945. So, it can be "Eastern Europe" in some categorization.
I guess also, Czech Republic and Slovenia are the first developed slavic-speaking country. So, like Singapore and Japan, it is proof of concept against the historical view only aryan countries could be a developed country.
Slovenia is not Eastern Europe even in the politics, it was part of Yugoslavia, in border with the Balkans. But maybe it is interesting, as a former communist zone and slavic-speaking country.
I'm not sure how to categorize Estonia. It's more like Scandinavia now, but just a few years ago this is part of the Soviet Union/Russian empire. So, at least Estonia is very Eastern Europe in the political history.
So to avoid signalling they have failed, they are going to go on for another 17 months and actually lose it by which time they will have suffered 100,000 killed in WW1 style meatgrind, dozens of Russian generals liquidated, and Crimea choked off in precision missile strikes?
Setting off a nuke is an acknowledgement that they failed and are moving on to extortion.
The Ruble would crash and remaining investors would flee.
Makes more sense to acknowledge that they failed and return home. You aren’t winning by setting off a nuke and watching your economy crumble.
Losing a war isn’t the end of the world. Germany lost WW2 and was a global economic power within 10 years.
The Russian hybrid war and then full invasion to gain control over Ukraine occurred against the overwhelming conventional military hegemony of Superpower America.
Russia invaded Ukraine and was pushed out of Kiev before America was sending aid. Did you forget about that?
and Putin has been explicitly using the threat of their use as an equalizer against NATO interference–defiantly saying he would be willing to use them rather than suffer a conventional defeat in Ukraine
Stop making stuff up. An equalizer against NATO? It was Putin that thought the war would last 2.5 weeks which would be before NATO could do anything. There are three different leaked sets of plans. Or are you going to tell us that his 2.5 week plan is fake? He said in 2014 that he could take Kiev in 2 weeks if he wanted.
There are villages in Russia that look like something out of the ninetieth century and lack modern sanitation. so Russians would have to be satisfied, with less but many of them already have a low standard of living.
“Russians are so poor and miserable that they wouldn’t notice”
Everyone would notice post WW1 style hyperinflation and most importantly the urban Slavs would get a taste of poverty. That is who Putin is afraid of angering.
Russian think they are actually fighting NATO rather than Ukraine, and they will see the use of a theatre thermonuclear weapon as a way to halt NATO.
It is Putin that continues the war and two previously neutral countries are joining NATO thanks to this genius 5d chess invasion. Halt NATO? From what? Accepting Ukraine? Finland already joined and has more border with Russia.
Much more likely is the West decide to pour on the pressure and see if they can remove Russia’s ability to take military initiatives ever again by precipitating an internal revolution, turning it into a decentralised individualist country where the populace are pursuing their own private projects.
Sounds horrifying. People perusing liberty and happiness.
God forbid they someday get to choose if they want a bitter dwarf Tsar that sends their sons to a needless war. This is all working out so well for the populace. They lose sons and husbands so the dwarf Tsar can continue a war that his own supporters can’t explain. We have Putin supporters with their own competing theories on why the war exists in the first place.
A de-Putinised Russia would be a body blow to China’s scheme for a global order to their liking.
China would just go back to trading which is what they have done for hundreds of years. They would prefer an autocratic Russia but they only have minimal trade with them compared to US and Western Europe. Russia’s GDP is the same size as Canada.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-mp-admits-funding-ukraine-war-led-to-rubles-collapse/ar-AA1dFUSmThe Russian bank is most likely lying just like the rest of Russian society. Which means the bottom could collapse at any moment. More 5d chess I'm sure. Must be some grand game Putin is playing that we mortals can't understand. But the theory of Fortress Roosa is definitely a failure. I pointed out when this war started that Russia had expanded Western dependencies since the collapse of the USSR. Putin however thought the war would be over in 2.5 weeks and everything would be fine. How is that 2.5 week SMO going? I’m not sure it matters. Russia can always fix the sanctions problem by tricking the USA or Iran into closing the Straight of Hormuz.Oh ok. Iran will trash the world economy because some Slavic dwarf is throwing a tantrum over his disaster of an invasion. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I still think Lvov is the main nuclear target.So Putin defenders have gone from Ukraine is so doomed cause Russian military is unstoppable to let's talk nuke targets. Yea going really well for you bootlickers. FYI most of the tank force hasn't arrived and the last batches of Russian POWs say that the situation is hopeless.Replies: @QCIC
I have always thought this conflict was a nuke problem (World War 3) and everything else is minor. That is my main issue. Otherwise this is a tragic regional growing pain which outside parties should steer clear of.
Don’t forget, the USA dropping out of nuclear disarmament treaties such as the Anti-Ballitistic Missile treaty is a direct nuclear threat against Russia. One can argue if this threat was small, medium or large. As NATO expansion continued and the USA installed missile sites in Eastern Europe the threat against Russia clearly went to medium. The West is actively trying to threaten and pressure Russia with nuclear weapons. Now that the West is actively sponsoring a war in Ukraine against Russia I believe the threat of nuclear war is the highest since the USA bombed Japan. Worse than Korea and worse than Cuba.
One concern is that NATO will pull some stunt to immediately bring Ukraine under the NATO umbrella. If that happens I worry Russia might simply nuke Lvov to shut that nonsense down. Maybe we will all know by next week.
What a bunch of losers.
Who is that on the far right?
According to google Macron is 5'8" and Sunak is 5'7". We need a photo of these fellows barefoot with Putin.Replies: @John Johnson
The USA put the world into “a risky place” when it unilaterally dropped out of the ABM nuclear treaty in 2002 as part of an effort to crush the remains of Russia after the fall of the USSR. Naturally the Western press and NGO’s have manipulated your ideas so that you believe this situation is simply Russia attacking poor Ukraine.
The West is using Ukraine as a pawn against Russia in a dangerous game of nuclear brinksmanship.
Since you are a longtime Ukraine watcher it is embarrassing and ridiculous that you do not understand this larger picture driving the events in Ukraine.
I'll let you sort out the "big picture" while I'm on the ground helping family members and refugees that make it over to the US. Who has more skin in this game, you or me??Replies: @QCIC
Chinese get first methalox rocket into space:
https://spacenews.com/chinas-landspace-reaches-orbit-with-methane-powered-zhuque-2-rocket/
But at present, it has no restart capability and is not reusable.
The West is using Ukraine as a pawn against Russia in a dangerous game of nuclear brinksmanship.
Since you are a longtime Ukraine watcher it is embarrassing and ridiculous that you do not understand this larger picture driving the events in Ukraine.Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack
People believe – and understand – what they want to believe. For most people beliefs precede thinking, the Ukie cheerleading cohort is not any different.
What should concern us is the rising hysteria and desperation on the Ukie side. The exaggerations are reaching absurd levels: “we are winning”, “Russian economy has collapsed”, “Putin is on his last legs”…The hatred of Russians is twisting into an outright genocidal thinking.
Nato has just made what was obvious official: no intervention and no Ukraine in Nato. The endless happy talk is there to cover it up. The Kiev offensive is stalled and it is unlikely they would do better next time – that locks in the losses.
Russia has not collapsed and its economy is humming. It has plenty of resources to go on for years, it is not isolated – China, India, the rest of the world are sticking with Russia, other than US and its closest allies who are getting more inbred and almost incestuous in their closeness. That is not a good thing – lack of variety destroys civilizations.
The nuclear option – if it happens – will be triggered by the side that is losing. We will see if the West has enough sobriety to control the desperation among its fanatics. Ukraine is after all a minor regional appendage of no importance unless someone wants to use it to threaten or attack Russia. Once that dream is abandoned there is no reason not to have a prosperous, neutral Ukraine – but shrunken because of the stupid war that Maidan Kiev started for no good reason.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-ruble-collapse-funding-ukraine-war-1811996They still have planes grounded due to a lack of parts. That is humming along? Fortress Roosa is a myth. The nuclear option – if it happens – will be triggered by the side that is losing. Why would the West set off a nuke and risk global destruction instead of making a deal to let Putin get Donbas? The West has always held the possibility that Putin could get Donbas. In fact they expected him to take the entire country at the start of the war. Western military experts expected a long partisan war with their best hope being to demoralize the public like Vietnam. Once that dream is abandoned there is no reason not to have a prosperous, neutral Ukraine – but shrunken because of the stupid war that Maidan Kiev started for no good reason.Putin has signaled that he wants Donbas and isn't returning to Kiev. That would mean a free Ukraine remains which would then receive billions in Western aid. Which means his originally stated goals are a failure and NATO expands beyond what anyone thought possible in 2021.
Where's China and India when you really need them? :-)Buying gas and oil at below market prices. I stated from the start of this war that China would be the big winner in this war, with an impotent and desperate Russia dumping its only big sources of money at rock bottom prices. What's there not to like for China?Replies: @Beckow
The West is using Ukraine as a pawn against Russia in a dangerous game of nuclear brinksmanship.
Since you are a longtime Ukraine watcher it is embarrassing and ridiculous that you do not understand this larger picture driving the events in Ukraine.Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack
More like Ukraine “the pawn” due to its strong patriotic stance, has made it to other side of the chessboard and traded in its pawn for a Queen (USA, NATO). A brilliant number of moves that puts Ukraine in a strong position.
I’ll let you sort out the “big picture” while I’m on the ground helping family members and refugees that make it over to the US. Who has more skin in this game, you or me??
So yes, you have plenty of skin in the game.
Great job, moron.Replies: @Mr. Hack
People believe – and understand – what they want to believe. For most people beliefs precede thinking, the Ukie cheerleading cohort is not any different.
I actually only see one side that consistently ignores or is unaware of Ukrainian history (especially 1917-1922) and follows a fictional version of 2014. There have been pro-Putin bloggers that incorrectly assumed Zelensky was inserted after Maidan. We also still haven’t heard a logical explanation of how the CIA was responsible for 2014 when the corrupt pro-Russian president was disavowed by his own party and fled the country to avoid charges.
Nato has just made what was obvious official: no intervention and no Ukraine in Nato.
NATO said Ukraine would not be joining before the war started.
So was Putin wrong to suggest that Ukraine was about to join? Was he being dishonest about planned nuke towers? Why don’t the Baltics have nuke towers? All evidence points to a lying dwarf that is trying to go out as a conqueror.
When Putin was asked about Finland joining NATO he said it doesn’t matter. Is he not aware that Finland borders Russia?
Russia has not collapsed and its economy is humming. It has plenty of resources to go on for years, it is not isolated – China, India, the rest of the world are sticking with Russia
The world voted 143-5 that the annexations were illegal. That is sticking with Russia? One vote was from Russia and another from their pet African dictatorship.
The Ruble hit a low and continues to fall.
Russian MP admits that war funding is what caused Ruble to fall:
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-ruble-collapse-funding-ukraine-war-1811996
They still have planes grounded due to a lack of parts. That is humming along? Fortress Roosa is a myth.
The nuclear option – if it happens – will be triggered by the side that is losing.
Why would the West set off a nuke and risk global destruction instead of making a deal to let Putin get Donbas? The West has always held the possibility that Putin could get Donbas. In fact they expected him to take the entire country at the start of the war. Western military experts expected a long partisan war with their best hope being to demoralize the public like Vietnam.
Once that dream is abandoned there is no reason not to have a prosperous, neutral Ukraine – but shrunken because of the stupid war that Maidan Kiev started for no good reason.
Putin has signaled that he wants Donbas and isn’t returning to Kiev. That would mean a free Ukraine remains which would then receive billions in Western aid. Which means his originally stated goals are a failure and NATO expands beyond what anyone thought possible in 2021.
Humming? I’m beginning to think that you’re inhaling the same stuff that kremlinstoogeA123 has been huffing for years now:
And budget deficits are increasing month by month while oil and gas prices are declining! Humming?
More like sticking it to Russia don’t you mean? I notice that neither China nor India supported Russia’s aggression in Ukraine within United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-11/4
The resolution was passed with an overwhelming vote of 143 in favour, 5 against and 35 abstaining.[2]
This resolution achieved more votes in favour of condemning Russia’s actions than Resolution ES-11/1, the initial resolution on the Russian invasion of Ukraine which demanded that Russia withdraw its forces from Ukraine.[3]
Against 5 Belarus, North Korea, Nicaragua, Russian Federation, Syria
Where’s China and India when you really need them? 🙂
Buying gas and oil at below market prices. I stated from the start of this war that China would be the big winner in this war, with an impotent and desperate Russia dumping its only big sources of money at rock bottom prices. What’s there not to like for China?
Who is that on the far right?Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
I do not know but she seems to bear a resemblance to Beckow’s dominatrix.
According to google Macron is 5’8″ and Sunak is 5’7″. We need a photo of these fellows barefoot with Putin.
I'll let you sort out the "big picture" while I'm on the ground helping family members and refugees that make it over to the US. Who has more skin in this game, you or me??Replies: @QCIC
I think you are playing a committed role working diligently to turn a regional tension into World War 3.
So yes, you have plenty of skin in the game.
Great job, moron.
So yes, you have plenty of skin in the game.
Great job, moron.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Getting a little desperate, Tovarisch? Having problems thinking straight?
Russia could prolly kill Zelensky, but they don’t because they know it would make no difference to Ukraine continuing to fight. There have been structural factors at work in Ukraine and Russia that led to the war, and now the losses on both sides would make it impossible for any leader to write all the sacrifice off. Ukraine tried to compromise. Zelensky stated as Pres wanting to sight a modfied Minsk agreement in 2019 he almost did but was told he couldn’t and remain president. Putin was once conciliatory and wanted to join NATO, but Russia was treated like a undesirable loser and retreated; then came the change.
There came a point when Russia decided to stop running and fight, even though that entailed defying the overwhelming hegemony of Superpower America. Washington is now committed and has announced Ukraine will be backed for as long as it takes. Given that the offense is at a profound disadvantage in the Ukraine war, Russia will not be able to knock Ukraine out of it and the Ukrainians will just fire endless pin point accurate long range missiles at Russian supply and command and control centres (a score of Russian generals have been killed already). A Russian Lt General who was killed the other day by a Storm Shadow had returned after after been severely wounded in a previous strike. The bridges to Crimea are sitting ducks. At end of day, Russia will simply have to nuke their way out of the situation.
Don't forget, the USA dropping out of nuclear disarmament treaties such as the Anti-Ballitistic Missile treaty is a direct nuclear threat against Russia. One can argue if this threat was small, medium or large. As NATO expansion continued and the USA installed missile sites in Eastern Europe the threat against Russia clearly went to medium. The West is actively trying to threaten and pressure Russia with nuclear weapons. Now that the West is actively sponsoring a war in Ukraine against Russia I believe the threat of nuclear war is the highest since the USA bombed Japan. Worse than Korea and worse than Cuba.
One concern is that NATO will pull some stunt to immediately bring Ukraine under the NATO umbrella. If that happens I worry Russia might simply nuke Lvov to shut that nonsense down. Maybe we will all know by next week.Replies: @John Johnson
Don’t forget, the USA dropping out of nuclear disarmament treaties such as the Anti-Ballitistic Missile treaty is a direct nuclear threat against Russia.
That seems to be your focus and pet theory but Putin has not spoken of the ABM since the war started. It was abandoned under GWB which was during the time that Putin fully recognized the autonomy of Ukraine which included Crimea.
But more importantly there is no reason to assume Putin would be interested in reviving it. He in fact brags of their newer nuclear weapons. The MAD doctrine hasn’t changed but Putin enjoys telling the public about their latest nuclear torpedoes or hypersonic missiles with nuclear warheads.
As NATO expansion continued and the USA installed missile sites in Eastern Europe the threat against Russia clearly went to medium.
You are saying that NATO expanded and installed nuclear missiles sites in Eastern Europe? Where?
One concern is that NATO will pull some stunt to immediately bring Ukraine under the NATO umbrella.
NATO isn’t a hierarchy. It’s an alliance where every member has a vote and the rules are clear on having a static border. NATO recently reasserted that Ukraine can’t apply while being involved in a war. That was already the case previous to the war because of Donbas but it was a moot point since Zelensky did not plan on applying and they didn’t have the votes of France or Germany.
- Ukraine will win in an offensive - it is now stalled or worse, at a high cost
- Russia will collapse economically - very unlikely to happen given their wealth and resources
- Putin is dying or will be overthrown - when? in 2035? this was just stupid
- UN denounced the Russian aggression - who knew UN still existed? Where are they based now? Still in NY? In any case they are about as relevant as the "Nobel Peace Price' - the warmonger Obama anybody? Or presidents Guidado and Tichanovskaia?Try to address what matters and what is actually happening. Russia is winning, controls 20% of Ukraine, people are needlessly dying....and there is a non-zero chance this will escalate into WW3. All else is just fleeting escapist cheerleading by the losing side. That would be Kiev by any standards. Or and Russia has managed to block Ukies in Nato by starting this war - Kiev would be in Nato if Russia had nothing. You know, we all know it.Replies: @John Johnson
According to google Macron is 5'8" and Sunak is 5'7". We need a photo of these fellows barefoot with Putin.Replies: @John Johnson
According to google Macron is 5’8″ and Sunak is 5’7″. We need a photo of these fellows barefoot with Putin.
Putin is most likely 5’3.
There are pictures of him with normal shoes standing next to Medvedev.
Even with shoe lifts he is extremely uncomfortable standing next to women that are over 5’6.
Macron is a giant compared to Putin.
No, I was entertaining the thought of just the opposite. I go on and elucidate this idea, and yet you’ve somehow managed to misinterpret it?…I’ve even relabeled Putler as I think you’ve done earlier as “batsh*t for brains”, but no, I see that it was actually JJ who first coined the phrase here (insightful man that JJ). 🙂
Anyway, I’ll refloat the comment here, now that you know who I really had in mind:
You specialize in denying the obvious. Yes, US dropped out of the ABM treaty – one of the key steps on the way to the war. And yes, Nato declared year-after-year since 2008 that Ukraine will be in Nato, and Kiev even put Nato membership in its Constitution.
Let’s try to imagine a reverse scenario – Russia or China doing it. You simply look desperate and ridiculous denying it. And don’t bother to repeat the non-arguments like who mentioned what to whom and when, or that “verbal agreements” are invalid if made by US, but sacred when made by Russia..blabla…You lost this argument long time ago, no point in restarting it. Your denials are also irrelevant, we are way beyond that now.
You endlessly switch among different feel-good for Ukraine topics:
– Ukraine will win in an offensive – it is now stalled or worse, at a high cost
– Russia will collapse economically – very unlikely to happen given their wealth and resources
– Putin is dying or will be overthrown – when? in 2035? this was just stupid
– UN denounced the Russian aggression – who knew UN still existed? Where are they based now? Still in NY? In any case they are about as relevant as the “Nobel Peace Price’ – the warmonger Obama anybody? Or presidents Guidado and Tichanovskaia?
Try to address what matters and what is actually happening. Russia is winning, controls 20% of Ukraine, people are needlessly dying….and there is a non-zero chance this will escalate into WW3. All else is just fleeting escapist cheerleading by the losing side. That would be Kiev by any standards. Or and Russia has managed to block Ukies in Nato by starting this war – Kiev would be in Nato if Russia had nothing. You know, we all know it.
You are saying that NATO expanded and installed nuclear missiles sites in Eastern Europe? Where?Was QCIC wrong or are you just going to ignore that component of his theory? Nato declared year-after-year since 2008 that Ukraine will be in Nato, and Kiev even put Nato membership in its Constitution.Go ahead and provide a quote to back your statement. You're most likely thinking of a delegate that expressed a desire for Ukraine to be in NATO. NATO can't declare that anyone will be in NATO. It has to be a unanimous vote and thus they cannot declare the outcome. Germany and France have long been opposed to allowing Ukraine. If you would like I can provide pre-war quotes from them.
You endlessly switch among different feel-good for Ukraine topics:
– Ukraine will win in an offensive – it is now stalled or worse, at a high cost
– Russia will collapse economically – very unlikely to happen given their wealth and resources
– Putin is dying or will be overthrown – when? in 2035? this was just stupid
I've never said that Ukraine will win in an offensive. I've never said that Russia will collapse economically. In fact I've said that Russia can still win. You're projecting your own cheerleading. Go back and find quotes. I've said that Ukraine is currently winning but it is too early to call the final outcome. Putin could still cheat and we don't know the full losses of either side. Ukraine could well indeed run out of men and let Putin take Donbas. I've said about a dozen times that I was wrong about Putin being mortally sick. I assumed they had a better mole in the Kremlin. But I was right about the "Great winter/spring offensive" not happening and also the "rolling thunder" and I was also right about Putin not being able to roll tanks into Kiev because of the Javalins/NLAWs. That puts me ahead of self-described military experts MacGregor and Ritter. Putin and his defenders seemed to think that over 20k anti-tank guns would simply disappear or no one would have the balls to use them. We even had posters suggest that they won't work because they were made in America. Try to address what matters and what is actually happening. Russia is winning, controls 20% of UkraineHe isn't winning if we go by his original speech. Do you just ignore the speech where Putin claims that he is stopping the expansion of NATO? The war pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. That isn't winning unless we ignore the goals as stated by the dictator himself.Replies: @A123, @Mikhail, @Beckow
Thank you for taking the time to answer a difficult question. I consider you more open minded than some other people here in your “camp” so I had a genuine interest in knowing what you would have to say.
You are right that these heinous weapons may in the long run serve to give the survivors a better and more just life than they would have without them but I don’t think I framed my question in any elaborate way to arrive at pre-ordained conclusions. This is what war is about, whether you are the aggressor or the defender, and the problem is rather that this kind of discussion is not held often and clear enough, if at all.
Cluster bombs do kill innocent people, often children. Someone using them or sending them to a far-away country to be used by someone else are making the conscious decision of causing an unknown number of innocent victims in the future and, as we saw the other day, they need to lie (perhaps to themselves as well) in order to make their decision look justified. Something’s got to be wrong when people need to live in a lie.
I fear that with all my moralizing, which hardly no one else here looks too interested in, I may come across as a busybody too interested in judging what people far away from me do. But in fact I respect the very different decisions that Ukrainians are taking in this war. I have a lot of respect for those who have the courage to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country and also for those who just want to leave the mayhem and pay their way to safety for themselves and their families. You must have met some of the latter, as I have myself.
I fear that the people still living in Ukraine may face a terrible future that is being designed for them by outside forces. The Russians proved incapable of defeating Ukraine even when the help from the West had barely begun to arrive. But this may turn out to be worse for most ordinary civilians than a quick defeat would have been. The West has decided that Russia cannot be allowed to win and will pour as much military assistance as necessary to prevent that outcome. But how long is it going to take? With this new Ukrainian counteroffensive stalled, I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. Even in the absence of any fatal escalation, we may be looking at many years of suffering.
I don’t know how good or bad a Republican victory in the Spanish Civil War would have been for the Basque Country but the Nationalist victory was certainly tragic. All autonomic institutions were abolished, many of my co-ethnics were executed, exiled and tortured and Basque language and identity was prosecuted for decades. But I feel lucky that the war finally came to an end, regardless of who the victors were. I may not have even been born if someone from outside would have kept the war going on indefinitely, regardless of how much suffering to civilians this caused. When I was born Basque language was rather tolerated again but people would still be arrested and tortured if they were found carrying a Basque flag symbol in their possession (the hated “separatist flag”). However, my parents were able to lead a rather comfortable life under all this political oppression and raise quite a happy family. Luckily, Spain never acquired the strategic importance that Ukraine currently has.
PEACE 😇Replies: @A123
Here is a longer form review of the Kennedy financial misbehaviour allegations.
If emails documenting misuse of funds exist KK is in big trouble. Even if she did not send them, she had a duty to report reviewing details about out-of-policy events.
PEACE 😇
You are right that these heinous weapons may in the long run serve to give the survivors a better and more just life than they would have without them but I don't think I framed my question in any elaborate way to arrive at pre-ordained conclusions. This is what war is about, whether you are the aggressor or the defender, and the problem is rather that this kind of discussion is not held often and clear enough, if at all.
Cluster bombs do kill innocent people, often children. Someone using them or sending them to a far-away country to be used by someone else are making the conscious decision of causing an unknown number of innocent victims in the future and, as we saw the other day, they need to lie (perhaps to themselves as well) in order to make their decision look justified. Something's got to be wrong when people need to live in a lie.
I fear that with all my moralizing, which hardly no one else here looks too interested in, I may come across as a busybody too interested in judging what people far away from me do. But in fact I respect the very different decisions that Ukrainians are taking in this war. I have a lot of respect for those who have the courage to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country and also for those who just want to leave the mayhem and pay their way to safety for themselves and their families. You must have met some of the latter, as I have myself.
I fear that the people still living in Ukraine may face a terrible future that is being designed for them by outside forces. The Russians proved incapable of defeating Ukraine even when the help from the West had barely begun to arrive. But this may turn out to be worse for most ordinary civilians than a quick defeat would have been. The West has decided that Russia cannot be allowed to win and will pour as much military assistance as necessary to prevent that outcome. But how long is it going to take? With this new Ukrainian counteroffensive stalled, I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Even in the absence of any fatal escalation, we may be looking at many years of suffering.
I don't know how good or bad a Republican victory in the Spanish Civil War would have been for the Basque Country but the Nationalist victory was certainly tragic. All autonomic institutions were abolished, many of my co-ethnics were executed, exiled and tortured and Basque language and identity was prosecuted for decades. But I feel lucky that the war finally came to an end, regardless of who the victors were. I may not have even been born if someone from outside would have kept the war going on indefinitely, regardless of how much suffering to civilians this caused. When I was born Basque language was rather tolerated again but people would still be arrested and tortured if they were found carrying a Basque flag symbol in their possession (the hated "separatist flag"). However, my parents were able to lead a rather comfortable life under all this political oppression and raise quite a happy family. Luckily, Spain never acquired the strategic importance that Ukraine currently has.Replies: @Beckow, @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
The Basque story – and Spain in general – illuminates what is going on in Ukraine: suppressing identities, the bloody Civil War, the ability to survive in an ambiguous situation, the recent Catalan autonomy-separation. There are analogies to Ukraine.
The attempt by Nationalists to suppress all minorities, to create by force unified Spain, is very similar to what the Nationalist Ukies did after Maidan. It worked for Franco in the short run – in the long run the Nationalists lost. There is also the bizarre double standard that EU-Brussels showed: some are worthy of “self-determination”, others can be suppressed or killed as in Donbas.
You wrote about morality, but there are always different layers in any discussion about morality. The Ukies who are dying can be more than one thing: they can be moral heroes for defending their country and also warmongering monsters who go off to kill their fellow citizens in Donbas because they speak Russian.
In your words “you have a lot of respect for those who have the courage to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country“…But the war is about the definition of that country, what is “Ukraine”? If a Spaniard from Madrid or Salamanca went to kill the Basques or Catalans, was he morally “defending his country”? Or was he a murderer going to kill in places where he didn’t live, but wanted to keep under control? Maybe both – those are the limits of morality.
Almost all Ukies would be better off if the war didn’t start – the few exceptions are maybe some Galician fanatics and exiles, and the paid-for elites who are not going to stick around. The normal life, with families, resources, and peace, is a lot better than the artificial pleasures of “being in Nato” or suppressing the damn Russian speakers. The war was the direct result of the Maidan coup-revolution and of decades of US attempts to move militarily to the Russian borders. It is now clear that it didn’t work – we just don’t know precisely how it didn’t work.
But the choice that was still available even after Maidan was the reasonable Minsk deal. It would have been much better for most Ukrainians – 70% or more voted for peace and co-existence with Russians in 2019. Then they were betrayed.
All of the above is non-controversial and will be how people in the future look back at this. The proponents of the Maidan-Nationalist-all Ukie-Nato Ukraine cannot stand this reality – it is one thing to be morally wrong, it is quite another to be also defeated. So they lie and try to suppress the obvious truths, knowing fully well that once they lose there will be no place to hide. That is the real reason the Ukies are dying and will die from cluster munitions in the future. Maybe that’s the moral angle we should focus on and the faux heroism of storming Donbas or Crimean so the Russians living there can be expelled.
https://www.unian.info/politics/1090341-published-law-deprives-yanukovych-of-presidential-rank.htmlIf you can't explain the scenario then what is the justification for LPR/DPR anti-government violence?Replies: @Beckow
Where's China and India when you really need them? :-)Buying gas and oil at below market prices. I stated from the start of this war that China would be the big winner in this war, with an impotent and desperate Russia dumping its only big sources of money at rock bottom prices. What's there not to like for China?Replies: @Beckow
Russia’s economy grew by 4.7% in 2021, declined by 2% in 2022; 2023-4 projections are for small growth or small decline – 0.3% to minus 2%. Quoting “OECD” is like quoting Washington Post – don’t you get that they have agendas? They are not credible, they were predicting 10-15% Russian collapse for 2022 and Ruble at 200/$. It didn’t happen.
I don’t understand why you insist on quoting politicized predictions from people who are fighting a war. They will obviously lie. The Russian economy is fine, the inflation is under control, no shortages, it is obvious Washington will not defeat Russia by crushing its economy. That’s the story and not your fear-mongering that the sky is falling in Russia – it isn’t.
And UN? You must be kidding. Who cares about UN? They also declared – indirectly because they are wimps – that the US aggression against Iraq and Serbia were illegal. Nobody cared one bit. I am actually kind of surprised that UN is still around. It is a dysfunctional assembly of 200 “countries”, many so tiny you can’t find them on a map – and too many of them have been bought or intimidated by Washington. That has effectively killed UN, nobody cares what they think – and the Western media in any case only gets interested when “UN critiques Russia” (or China, Iran, etc…) When UN dares to say something about US or UK and their bloody adventures it is ignored. You live in a bubble. (Is it that hot in Phoenix?)
It is a hot tamale.
accuweather.com/en/us/phoenix/85003/weather-forecast/346935
lo 91 & hi 112 (those are degrees Fahrenheit for all you Godless Europeans.)
Maybe you can get out to the mailbox or the dumpster but you ain’t doing any rock climbing today.
- Ukraine will win in an offensive - it is now stalled or worse, at a high cost
- Russia will collapse economically - very unlikely to happen given their wealth and resources
- Putin is dying or will be overthrown - when? in 2035? this was just stupid
- UN denounced the Russian aggression - who knew UN still existed? Where are they based now? Still in NY? In any case they are about as relevant as the "Nobel Peace Price' - the warmonger Obama anybody? Or presidents Guidado and Tichanovskaia?Try to address what matters and what is actually happening. Russia is winning, controls 20% of Ukraine, people are needlessly dying....and there is a non-zero chance this will escalate into WW3. All else is just fleeting escapist cheerleading by the losing side. That would be Kiev by any standards. Or and Russia has managed to block Ukies in Nato by starting this war - Kiev would be in Nato if Russia had nothing. You know, we all know it.Replies: @John Johnson
You specialize in denying the obvious. Yes, US dropped out of the ABM treaty – one of the key steps on the way to the war. And yes,
I asked a question that remains unanswered:
You are saying that NATO expanded and installed nuclear missiles sites in Eastern Europe? Where?
Was QCIC wrong or are you just going to ignore that component of his theory?
Nato declared year-after-year since 2008 that Ukraine will be in Nato, and Kiev even put Nato membership in its Constitution.
Go ahead and provide a quote to back your statement.
You’re most likely thinking of a delegate that expressed a desire for Ukraine to be in NATO.
NATO can’t declare that anyone will be in NATO. It has to be a unanimous vote and thus they cannot declare the outcome. Germany and France have long been opposed to allowing Ukraine. If you would like I can provide pre-war quotes from them.
You endlessly switch among different feel-good for Ukraine topics:
– Ukraine will win in an offensive – it is now stalled or worse, at a high cost
– Russia will collapse economically – very unlikely to happen given their wealth and resources
– Putin is dying or will be overthrown – when? in 2035? this was just stupid
I’ve never said that Ukraine will win in an offensive. I’ve never said that Russia will collapse economically. In fact I’ve said that Russia can still win.
You’re projecting your own cheerleading. Go back and find quotes. I’ve said that Ukraine is currently winning but it is too early to call the final outcome. Putin could still cheat and we don’t know the full losses of either side. Ukraine could well indeed run out of men and let Putin take Donbas.
I’ve said about a dozen times that I was wrong about Putin being mortally sick. I assumed they had a better mole in the Kremlin. But I was right about the “Great winter/spring offensive” not happening and also the “rolling thunder” and I was also right about Putin not being able to roll tanks into Kiev because of the Javalins/NLAWs. That puts me ahead of self-described military experts MacGregor and Ritter. Putin and his defenders seemed to think that over 20k anti-tank guns would simply disappear or no one would have the balls to use them. We even had posters suggest that they won’t work because they were made in America.
Try to address what matters and what is actually happening. Russia is winning, controls 20% of Ukraine
He isn’t winning if we go by his original speech. Do you just ignore the speech where Putin claims that he is stopping the expansion of NATO? The war pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. That isn’t winning unless we ignore the goals as stated by the dictator himself.
I do not think anyone has claimed there are offensive, strategic nukes in Eastern Europe. Unless you include Türkiye, and those are bombs not missiles.
PEACE 😇
Ukraine's Commie drawn boundary is key with the more democratically elected leader Putin winning against the comparatively more tyrannical Zelensky.
Once again, Macgregor and Ritter are more on target than Petraeus and Hodges.
On 7 February 2019 the Ukrainian parliament voted with a majority of 334 out of 385 to change the Ukrainian constitution to help Ukraine to join NATO......you can google that since 2008 Nato at annual meetings declared that "Ukraine will become a member"...if that is insufficient, you must be a real blockhead or you are playing games by denying the obvious. No they have not. They said "not yet", wink-wink. In any case, we all know that Germany does what it is told. France also after making a few "France-is-great (right?)" speeches. Regarding the outcomes, I conflated yours and Mr.Hacks views - if you don't share his optimism, well, it was easier that way...:) What does that mean? Do you mean that if Russia wins, it is by "cheating"...you are reaching levels of idiocy that are beyond rational discussion. Win in a war is a win. Period. People make a lot of speeches before wars. Why would that be the criteria? But even if we take it, Russia has clearly for now (or maybe forever) stopped Nato expansion into Ukraine...see today's news. Finland-Sweden are different, they were de facto in Nato for decades - even joining in some if the Nato wars. With respect to Russia they are much more normal and rational - I doubt Finland will host US missiles, let's see what happens. In any case, Russia would take blocking Ukraine from Nato in exchange for Sweden-Finland. It is a good deal for them. And getting 20% of Ukraine is nothing to sneer at - it is almost the size of England.Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson
You are saying that NATO expanded and installed nuclear missiles sites in Eastern Europe? Where?Was QCIC wrong or are you just going to ignore that component of his theory? Nato declared year-after-year since 2008 that Ukraine will be in Nato, and Kiev even put Nato membership in its Constitution.Go ahead and provide a quote to back your statement. You're most likely thinking of a delegate that expressed a desire for Ukraine to be in NATO. NATO can't declare that anyone will be in NATO. It has to be a unanimous vote and thus they cannot declare the outcome. Germany and France have long been opposed to allowing Ukraine. If you would like I can provide pre-war quotes from them.
You endlessly switch among different feel-good for Ukraine topics:
– Ukraine will win in an offensive – it is now stalled or worse, at a high cost
– Russia will collapse economically – very unlikely to happen given their wealth and resources
– Putin is dying or will be overthrown – when? in 2035? this was just stupid
I've never said that Ukraine will win in an offensive. I've never said that Russia will collapse economically. In fact I've said that Russia can still win. You're projecting your own cheerleading. Go back and find quotes. I've said that Ukraine is currently winning but it is too early to call the final outcome. Putin could still cheat and we don't know the full losses of either side. Ukraine could well indeed run out of men and let Putin take Donbas. I've said about a dozen times that I was wrong about Putin being mortally sick. I assumed they had a better mole in the Kremlin. But I was right about the "Great winter/spring offensive" not happening and also the "rolling thunder" and I was also right about Putin not being able to roll tanks into Kiev because of the Javalins/NLAWs. That puts me ahead of self-described military experts MacGregor and Ritter. Putin and his defenders seemed to think that over 20k anti-tank guns would simply disappear or no one would have the balls to use them. We even had posters suggest that they won't work because they were made in America. Try to address what matters and what is actually happening. Russia is winning, controls 20% of UkraineHe isn't winning if we go by his original speech. Do you just ignore the speech where Putin claims that he is stopping the expansion of NATO? The war pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. That isn't winning unless we ignore the goals as stated by the dictator himself.Replies: @A123, @Mikhail, @Beckow
I believe QCIC’s agitation is about ABM anti-missile missiles “Aegis Ashore” in Poland.
I do not think anyone has claimed there are offensive, strategic nukes in Eastern Europe. Unless you include Türkiye, and those are bombs not missiles.
PEACE 😇
You are saying that NATO expanded and installed nuclear missiles sites in Eastern Europe? Where?Was QCIC wrong or are you just going to ignore that component of his theory? Nato declared year-after-year since 2008 that Ukraine will be in Nato, and Kiev even put Nato membership in its Constitution.Go ahead and provide a quote to back your statement. You're most likely thinking of a delegate that expressed a desire for Ukraine to be in NATO. NATO can't declare that anyone will be in NATO. It has to be a unanimous vote and thus they cannot declare the outcome. Germany and France have long been opposed to allowing Ukraine. If you would like I can provide pre-war quotes from them.
You endlessly switch among different feel-good for Ukraine topics:
– Ukraine will win in an offensive – it is now stalled or worse, at a high cost
– Russia will collapse economically – very unlikely to happen given their wealth and resources
– Putin is dying or will be overthrown – when? in 2035? this was just stupid
I've never said that Ukraine will win in an offensive. I've never said that Russia will collapse economically. In fact I've said that Russia can still win. You're projecting your own cheerleading. Go back and find quotes. I've said that Ukraine is currently winning but it is too early to call the final outcome. Putin could still cheat and we don't know the full losses of either side. Ukraine could well indeed run out of men and let Putin take Donbas. I've said about a dozen times that I was wrong about Putin being mortally sick. I assumed they had a better mole in the Kremlin. But I was right about the "Great winter/spring offensive" not happening and also the "rolling thunder" and I was also right about Putin not being able to roll tanks into Kiev because of the Javalins/NLAWs. That puts me ahead of self-described military experts MacGregor and Ritter. Putin and his defenders seemed to think that over 20k anti-tank guns would simply disappear or no one would have the balls to use them. We even had posters suggest that they won't work because they were made in America. Try to address what matters and what is actually happening. Russia is winning, controls 20% of UkraineHe isn't winning if we go by his original speech. Do you just ignore the speech where Putin claims that he is stopping the expansion of NATO? The war pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. That isn't winning unless we ignore the goals as stated by the dictator himself.Replies: @A123, @Mikhail, @Beckow
Finland and Sweden were becoming more and more like NATO before the SMO.
Ukraine’s Commie drawn boundary is key with the more democratically elected leader Putin winning against the comparatively more tyrannical Zelensky.
Once again, Macgregor and Ritter are more on target than Petraeus and Hodges.
You are right that these heinous weapons may in the long run serve to give the survivors a better and more just life than they would have without them but I don't think I framed my question in any elaborate way to arrive at pre-ordained conclusions. This is what war is about, whether you are the aggressor or the defender, and the problem is rather that this kind of discussion is not held often and clear enough, if at all.
Cluster bombs do kill innocent people, often children. Someone using them or sending them to a far-away country to be used by someone else are making the conscious decision of causing an unknown number of innocent victims in the future and, as we saw the other day, they need to lie (perhaps to themselves as well) in order to make their decision look justified. Something's got to be wrong when people need to live in a lie.
I fear that with all my moralizing, which hardly no one else here looks too interested in, I may come across as a busybody too interested in judging what people far away from me do. But in fact I respect the very different decisions that Ukrainians are taking in this war. I have a lot of respect for those who have the courage to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country and also for those who just want to leave the mayhem and pay their way to safety for themselves and their families. You must have met some of the latter, as I have myself.
I fear that the people still living in Ukraine may face a terrible future that is being designed for them by outside forces. The Russians proved incapable of defeating Ukraine even when the help from the West had barely begun to arrive. But this may turn out to be worse for most ordinary civilians than a quick defeat would have been. The West has decided that Russia cannot be allowed to win and will pour as much military assistance as necessary to prevent that outcome. But how long is it going to take? With this new Ukrainian counteroffensive stalled, I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Even in the absence of any fatal escalation, we may be looking at many years of suffering.
I don't know how good or bad a Republican victory in the Spanish Civil War would have been for the Basque Country but the Nationalist victory was certainly tragic. All autonomic institutions were abolished, many of my co-ethnics were executed, exiled and tortured and Basque language and identity was prosecuted for decades. But I feel lucky that the war finally came to an end, regardless of who the victors were. I may not have even been born if someone from outside would have kept the war going on indefinitely, regardless of how much suffering to civilians this caused. When I was born Basque language was rather tolerated again but people would still be arrested and tortured if they were found carrying a Basque flag symbol in their possession (the hated "separatist flag"). However, my parents were able to lead a rather comfortable life under all this political oppression and raise quite a happy family. Luckily, Spain never acquired the strategic importance that Ukraine currently has.Replies: @Beckow, @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
RF has been using cluster munitions all the time during Zoperation, roughly since last March when they excelled at doing blitzcringe, instead of wanted blitzkrieg, so don’t get what is all the fuss about, especially knowing that rates of non-instant blast incidents are way more higher from RF made cluster bombs – roughly around 30-35% from all load instead of 5-10% in Western made models.
This is all independent of the fact that cluster munitions may or may not be a big factor in the civilian casualty toll compared to other types of weapons that both sides are using.
But the choice that was still available even after Maidan was the reasonable Minsk deal. It would have been much better for most Ukrainians – 70% or more voted for peace and co-existence with Russians in 2019. Then they were betrayed.
How exactly were they betrayed in 2019 given that they elected Zelensky over the pro-Western candidate? You agree that Zelensky won by promoting a neutral platform that didn’t involve joining NATO?
You do acknowledge that militia fighting was at a low in 2020? More Slavs died by drowning.
What was the betrayal after 2019?
The proponents of the Maidan-Nationalist-all Ukie-Nato Ukraine cannot stand this reality – it is one thing to be morally wrong, it is quite another to be also defeated.
Under what scenario would Viktor Yanukovych have remained president given that his own party disavowed him as a criminal?
Ukrainian parliament removes Yanukovych of presidential title
https://www.unian.info/politics/1090341-published-law-deprives-yanukovych-of-presidential-rank.html
If you can’t explain the scenario then what is the justification for LPR/DPR anti-government violence?
RF has been using cluster munitions all the time during Zoperation, roughly since last March when they excelled at doing blitzcringe, instead of wanted blitzkrieg, so don’t get what is all the fuss about, especially knowing that rates of non-instant blast incidents are way more higher from RF made cluster bombs – roughly around 30-35% from all load instead of 5-10% in Western made models.
Russia also used them in Syria and didn’t hide thefact.
In my history are pro-Putin posters that didn’t even spend 2-3 minutes on Google to learn about how Russia wasn’t part of the international ban. Those posters just assumed MERICA EBIL and that a homicidal dwarf who poisons the opposition would never do such a thing.
If you think these cluster bombs are bad, wait until your food is full of cesium, strontium, iodine and other nasty radioactive ingredients.
The cluster bomb story is just noise. I think the West started agitating over Soviet cluster weapons in Afghanistan in the way back. This probably led to the international ban which the USA and USSR decided to ignore. The topic got a little more airplay with regard to Israel when people pointed out the IDF uses cluster bombs and white phosphorus on the dastardly anti-Semites.
I think any military with nuclear weapons doesn't give a hoot about cluster bombs. This media agitation is just part of the rhetoric to sway the public one way or another as part of the continual jerking around process.
The specific problem with cluster bombs, mines and unexploded ordnance (UXO) is the killing keeps going after the war, often taking out little kids and farmers. The kids are susceptible to the cluster munitions since the bomblets look kind of quirky. I think the claim was the Soviets actually made these cute to take out children in Afghanistan but I don't know if that was true. Sounds like an incubator story.
The USA is sending these old artillery shells over to make a buck and get rid of them. If Russia starts to care they will blow up the point of entry of this ammunition into Ukraine.
Didn't the Ukrainians use a cluster warhead in the Tochka missile attack on their own commuters last year (the train station attack)?Replies: @Wokechoke
The fuss is about the hypocrisy of Jen Psaki declaring that the use of cluster bombs by the Russians is a war crime and his boss shortly afterwards deciding to send cluster bombs to Ukraine. Not only the use of cluster bombs ceases to be a war crime if it’s our side who uses them but, when asked about this contradiction, the Pentagon spokesman invents a Hollywood movie narrative where this kind of munition is regretfully necessary because the Russians will do worse things to Ukrainian civilians than tear them apart and mutilate them. Many MSM consumers actually believe this kind of stories so we all carry on living in a fantasy world where cluster bombs make civilians be better off.
This is all independent of the fact that cluster munitions may or may not be a big factor in the civilian casualty toll compared to other types of weapons that both sides are using.
There’s quite a lot of evidence of barbaric actions by both sides, as is usual in every war, but that wasn’t the point of my comment. I personally think that killing and dying for abstract concepts like the fatherland is quite questionable and I don’t think it comes naturally to humans as it does to kill and to die to defend your family. It requires a lot of social conditioning. But at the same time I don’t see myself in a position to judge people who decide to give their lives for their country when they see it invaded, as long as they don’t commit unnecessary atrocities.
That was indeed the main cause of the 8-year war before the start of the SMO. After the largest invasion of an independent country in Europe since WW2 Putin decided to turn it into a war of independence for the whole of Ukraine.
You are saying that NATO expanded and installed nuclear missiles sites in Eastern Europe? Where?Was QCIC wrong or are you just going to ignore that component of his theory? Nato declared year-after-year since 2008 that Ukraine will be in Nato, and Kiev even put Nato membership in its Constitution.Go ahead and provide a quote to back your statement. You're most likely thinking of a delegate that expressed a desire for Ukraine to be in NATO. NATO can't declare that anyone will be in NATO. It has to be a unanimous vote and thus they cannot declare the outcome. Germany and France have long been opposed to allowing Ukraine. If you would like I can provide pre-war quotes from them.
You endlessly switch among different feel-good for Ukraine topics:
– Ukraine will win in an offensive – it is now stalled or worse, at a high cost
– Russia will collapse economically – very unlikely to happen given their wealth and resources
– Putin is dying or will be overthrown – when? in 2035? this was just stupid
I've never said that Ukraine will win in an offensive. I've never said that Russia will collapse economically. In fact I've said that Russia can still win. You're projecting your own cheerleading. Go back and find quotes. I've said that Ukraine is currently winning but it is too early to call the final outcome. Putin could still cheat and we don't know the full losses of either side. Ukraine could well indeed run out of men and let Putin take Donbas. I've said about a dozen times that I was wrong about Putin being mortally sick. I assumed they had a better mole in the Kremlin. But I was right about the "Great winter/spring offensive" not happening and also the "rolling thunder" and I was also right about Putin not being able to roll tanks into Kiev because of the Javalins/NLAWs. That puts me ahead of self-described military experts MacGregor and Ritter. Putin and his defenders seemed to think that over 20k anti-tank guns would simply disappear or no one would have the balls to use them. We even had posters suggest that they won't work because they were made in America. Try to address what matters and what is actually happening. Russia is winning, controls 20% of UkraineHe isn't winning if we go by his original speech. Do you just ignore the speech where Putin claims that he is stopping the expansion of NATO? The war pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. That isn't winning unless we ignore the goals as stated by the dictator himself.Replies: @A123, @Mikhail, @Beckow
Poland and Romania. Obviously Nato expanded to Eastern Europe – for God sake look that up, everybody knows it. After US dropped out of the ABM Treaty the placed missiles in Poland and Romania. The ‘defensive’ missile bs is not something anyone takes seriously. Any missile can be armed with nukes – whether they are, nobody knows, but if you were Russia, it would be a threat. More so in Ukraine. (Finland or Sweden are too rational to act as a voluntary nuke target, so yes, that is different.)
Imagine Russia or China placing missiles in Cuba or Venezuela.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations#:~:text=On%2020%20September%202018%20the,the%20main%20foreign%20policy%20objective.
On 7 February 2019 the Ukrainian parliament voted with a majority of 334 out of 385 to change the Ukrainian constitution to help Ukraine to join NATO…
…you can google that since 2008 Nato at annual meetings declared that “Ukraine will become a member“…if that is insufficient, you must be a real blockhead or you are playing games by denying the obvious.
No they have not. They said “not yet”, wink-wink. In any case, we all know that Germany does what it is told. France also after making a few “France-is-great (right?)” speeches.
Regarding the outcomes, I conflated yours and Mr.Hacks views – if you don’t share his optimism, well, it was easier that way…:)
What does that mean? Do you mean that if Russia wins, it is by “cheating”…you are reaching levels of idiocy that are beyond rational discussion. Win in a war is a win. Period.
People make a lot of speeches before wars. Why would that be the criteria? But even if we take it, Russia has clearly for now (or maybe forever) stopped Nato expansion into Ukraine…see today’s news. Finland-Sweden are different, they were de facto in Nato for decades – even joining in some if the Nato wars. With respect to Russia they are much more normal and rational – I doubt Finland will host US missiles, let’s see what happens. In any case, Russia would take blocking Ukraine from Nato in exchange for Sweden-Finland. It is a good deal for them. And getting 20% of Ukraine is nothing to sneer at – it is almost the size of England.
As NATO expansion continued and the USA installed missile sites in Eastern Europe the threat against Russia clearly went to medium.Nuclear missile silos were not added to Poland and Romania. He is talking about an increased nuclear threat which is false. There were no plans to add nuclear silos to Ukraine and they don't exist in the Baltics even though they border Russia.
The ‘defensive’ missile bs is not something anyone takes seriously. Any missile can be armed with nukes – whether they are, nobody knows, but if you were Russia, it would be a threat.So non-nuclear defensive missiles are an increased threat? Do explain exactly given that they are designed to take down a rogue missile and cannot stop a full attack from Russia. Also explain how this increases the threat when both sides have subs in the oceans that can level the other in 15 minutes. What does that mean? Do you mean that if Russia wins, it is by “cheating”…you are reaching levels of idiocy that are beyond rational discussion. Win in a war is a win. Period.No I mean that Russia could still take Donbas by using wmds/civilian attacks/extortion or other means that would be viewed as cheating. Meaning they would take the territory but the world would view them as the loser for breaking commonly recognized rules of war. Sanctions would most likely exist until Putin is dead. There is no reason to assume that the territory would remain Russian. A future Russian leader could give it back as an apology for Putin. People make a lot of speeches before wars. Why would that be the criteria? But even if we take it, Russia has clearly for now (or maybe forever) stopped Nato expansion into Ukraine…see today’s news. No he did not stop them from joining NATO. Nothing has changed. Are you unaware that Ukraine did not qualify for NATO before the war? Finland was neutral since WW2 and joined NATO after Putin's invasion. In what kind of crazy cope world do you consider that a success?Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow
https://www.unian.info/politics/1090341-published-law-deprives-yanukovych-of-presidential-rank.htmlIf you can't explain the scenario then what is the justification for LPR/DPR anti-government violence?Replies: @Beckow
Zelko walked away from the Minsk deal. Look that up. He used mumbo-jumbo excuses and some lies, but he walked away. Even the French and Germans acknowledge it.
Why would he? He agreed to leave. But in a normally scheduled election there would representation for the Russian half of the population. That is what Maidan desperately tried to avoid, that’s why they staged the coup. After that all “votes” and statements were under duress and we can’t take them seriously. All Ukie leaders have been crooks – a number even went to jail. Yushenko ended up with 4% in 2010, even in 2014 Yanukovitch was higher than that, maybe 20%.
Maidan itself was violence, you support them so that is ok? In Donbas the violence was mutual. But the best justification for what Donbas did was the immediate repeal of the language law in February 2014 by the Maidan “revolutionaries” – that law provided for the regional language rights in offices-schools – Russians could use Russian, Hungarians in Subcarpathia, etc…even Tatars in Crimea.
Repealing that law was a tragic mistake, even EU admitted so much. But the damage was done. Imagine suddenly outlawing the French language in schools-offices in Belgium, or Swedish in Finland, or Hungarian in Romania…Try to be objective, that is not something that is ok. It triggered the Donbas uprising. That and being politically disenfranchised. Maidan made a lot of mistakes.
On 7 February 2019 the Ukrainian parliament voted with a majority of 334 out of 385 to change the Ukrainian constitution to help Ukraine to join NATO......you can google that since 2008 Nato at annual meetings declared that "Ukraine will become a member"...if that is insufficient, you must be a real blockhead or you are playing games by denying the obvious. No they have not. They said "not yet", wink-wink. In any case, we all know that Germany does what it is told. France also after making a few "France-is-great (right?)" speeches. Regarding the outcomes, I conflated yours and Mr.Hacks views - if you don't share his optimism, well, it was easier that way...:) What does that mean? Do you mean that if Russia wins, it is by "cheating"...you are reaching levels of idiocy that are beyond rational discussion. Win in a war is a win. Period. People make a lot of speeches before wars. Why would that be the criteria? But even if we take it, Russia has clearly for now (or maybe forever) stopped Nato expansion into Ukraine...see today's news. Finland-Sweden are different, they were de facto in Nato for decades - even joining in some if the Nato wars. With respect to Russia they are much more normal and rational - I doubt Finland will host US missiles, let's see what happens. In any case, Russia would take blocking Ukraine from Nato in exchange for Sweden-Finland. It is a good deal for them. And getting 20% of Ukraine is nothing to sneer at - it is almost the size of England.Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson
For JJ,
The overall sum of USA and NATO military actions against Russia is what matters. Any single move could be explained away as showboating or politics or silliness or a simple misstep. This is a long policy spanning many different American administrations. The Russian government and military must respond to the overall results.
The trend is very clear and is not hidden. Major US figures (Brzezinski) have explained why controlling Ukraine is the means to destroy Russia. Diplomats (Burns) have officially advised the US government that expansion of NATO was a dangerous idea.
The West is supporting the war in Ukraine because they want to crush Russia and clearly believe they can get away with it. You may think this is a legitimate goal. Are you being realistic about the consequences and are you willing to accept them?
On 7 February 2019 the Ukrainian parliament voted with a majority of 334 out of 385 to change the Ukrainian constitution to help Ukraine to join NATO......you can google that since 2008 Nato at annual meetings declared that "Ukraine will become a member"...if that is insufficient, you must be a real blockhead or you are playing games by denying the obvious. No they have not. They said "not yet", wink-wink. In any case, we all know that Germany does what it is told. France also after making a few "France-is-great (right?)" speeches. Regarding the outcomes, I conflated yours and Mr.Hacks views - if you don't share his optimism, well, it was easier that way...:) What does that mean? Do you mean that if Russia wins, it is by "cheating"...you are reaching levels of idiocy that are beyond rational discussion. Win in a war is a win. Period. People make a lot of speeches before wars. Why would that be the criteria? But even if we take it, Russia has clearly for now (or maybe forever) stopped Nato expansion into Ukraine...see today's news. Finland-Sweden are different, they were de facto in Nato for decades - even joining in some if the Nato wars. With respect to Russia they are much more normal and rational - I doubt Finland will host US missiles, let's see what happens. In any case, Russia would take blocking Ukraine from Nato in exchange for Sweden-Finland. It is a good deal for them. And getting 20% of Ukraine is nothing to sneer at - it is almost the size of England.Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson
Poland and Romania. Obviously Nato expanded to Eastern Europe – for God sake look that up, everybody knows it.
Poland and Romania joined. No one is denying that. That is not contended.
Here is what he said:
As NATO expansion continued and the USA installed missile sites in Eastern Europe the threat against Russia clearly went to medium.
Nuclear missile silos were not added to Poland and Romania.
He is talking about an increased nuclear threat which is false. There were no plans to add nuclear silos to Ukraine and they don’t exist in the Baltics even though they border Russia.
The ‘defensive’ missile bs is not something anyone takes seriously. Any missile can be armed with nukes – whether they are, nobody knows, but if you were Russia, it would be a threat.
So non-nuclear defensive missiles are an increased threat?
Do explain exactly given that they are designed to take down a rogue missile and cannot stop a full attack from Russia.
Also explain how this increases the threat when both sides have subs in the oceans that can level the other in 15 minutes.
What does that mean? Do you mean that if Russia wins, it is by “cheating”…you are reaching levels of idiocy that are beyond rational discussion. Win in a war is a win. Period.
No I mean that Russia could still take Donbas by using wmds/civilian attacks/extortion or other means that would be viewed as cheating. Meaning they would take the territory but the world would view them as the loser for breaking commonly recognized rules of war. Sanctions would most likely exist until Putin is dead. There is no reason to assume that the territory would remain Russian. A future Russian leader could give it back as an apology for Putin.
People make a lot of speeches before wars. Why would that be the criteria? But even if we take it, Russia has clearly for now (or maybe forever) stopped Nato expansion into Ukraine…see today’s news.
No he did not stop them from joining NATO. Nothing has changed. Are you unaware that Ukraine did not qualify for NATO before the war?
Finland was neutral since WW2 and joined NATO after Putin’s invasion. In what kind of crazy cope world do you consider that a success?
The sites are ostensibly intended to fire US Navy "Standard Missiles" which are potent antiballistic missiles. Oh yeah, I wonder why the US dropped out of the ABM treaty? They can also fire US Tomahawk cruise missiles. The USA fielded nuclear armed Tomahawks for a time. One of the predecessors of the Standard Missile also came with a nuclear warhead option. Oh yeah, I wonder why the US dropped out of the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF)?
Huh, this is all quite a mystery.
The purpose of these sites is to threaten Russia. This information is not hidden, there is no reason to be confused.
The Disney drama continues:
• Bob Iger has received a 2 year extension as CEO.
• Kathleen Kennedy is in Europe.
• An “All Hands” meeting was held in Burbank, California without her.
• Interim heads for Lucasfilm are now over all of KK’s direct reports.
This appears stronger than rumor, but is not yet confirmed. KK not fired, but “out”… Gardening Leave. Sometimes UK parlance is much better than American.
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Episode 9 w/ Andrew Tate
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https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1678873144201818115?s=20Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel
It’s quite amazing, how articulate and clear-headed this Andrew Tate guy sounds. Nothing like the scumbag he’s been portrayed as everywhere. But are you sure you wanted to promote a Muslim here?
Everyone notices your cowardice and intellectual shallowness. You ignore critical questions that you are incapable of answering. Let me restate for you: Only a #Bidenista coward would duck the question.
What better option should Carlson have chosen?
Everyone sees that you have been caught lying (again)!
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War is hell and best avoided. The West created this war by meddling in Ukraine.
If you think these cluster bombs are bad, wait until your food is full of cesium, strontium, iodine and other nasty radioactive ingredients.
The cluster bomb story is just noise. I think the West started agitating over Soviet cluster weapons in Afghanistan in the way back. This probably led to the international ban which the USA and USSR decided to ignore. The topic got a little more airplay with regard to Israel when people pointed out the IDF uses cluster bombs and white phosphorus on the dastardly anti-Semites.
I think any military with nuclear weapons doesn’t give a hoot about cluster bombs. This media agitation is just part of the rhetoric to sway the public one way or another as part of the continual jerking around process.
The specific problem with cluster bombs, mines and unexploded ordnance (UXO) is the killing keeps going after the war, often taking out little kids and farmers. The kids are susceptible to the cluster munitions since the bomblets look kind of quirky. I think the claim was the Soviets actually made these cute to take out children in Afghanistan but I don’t know if that was true. Sounds like an incubator story.
The USA is sending these old artillery shells over to make a buck and get rid of them. If Russia starts to care they will blow up the point of entry of this ammunition into Ukraine.
Didn’t the Ukrainians use a cluster warhead in the Tochka missile attack on their own commuters last year (the train station attack)?
Russia doesn’t need to do attacks right now either so the main military use fora CBU dropping them on offensive troop concentrations doesn’t do much good.
Unless the UKies are expecting a general Russian assault again.
As NATO expansion continued and the USA installed missile sites in Eastern Europe the threat against Russia clearly went to medium.Nuclear missile silos were not added to Poland and Romania. He is talking about an increased nuclear threat which is false. There were no plans to add nuclear silos to Ukraine and they don't exist in the Baltics even though they border Russia.
The ‘defensive’ missile bs is not something anyone takes seriously. Any missile can be armed with nukes – whether they are, nobody knows, but if you were Russia, it would be a threat.So non-nuclear defensive missiles are an increased threat? Do explain exactly given that they are designed to take down a rogue missile and cannot stop a full attack from Russia. Also explain how this increases the threat when both sides have subs in the oceans that can level the other in 15 minutes. What does that mean? Do you mean that if Russia wins, it is by “cheating”…you are reaching levels of idiocy that are beyond rational discussion. Win in a war is a win. Period.No I mean that Russia could still take Donbas by using wmds/civilian attacks/extortion or other means that would be viewed as cheating. Meaning they would take the territory but the world would view them as the loser for breaking commonly recognized rules of war. Sanctions would most likely exist until Putin is dead. There is no reason to assume that the territory would remain Russian. A future Russian leader could give it back as an apology for Putin. People make a lot of speeches before wars. Why would that be the criteria? But even if we take it, Russia has clearly for now (or maybe forever) stopped Nato expansion into Ukraine…see today’s news. No he did not stop them from joining NATO. Nothing has changed. Are you unaware that Ukraine did not qualify for NATO before the war? Finland was neutral since WW2 and joined NATO after Putin's invasion. In what kind of crazy cope world do you consider that a success?Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow
I was referring to the Aegis Ashore Anti-Ballistic Missiles sites as you well know. These do not have silos (yet) since the favored missiles are housed in vertical launch canisters as you also know.
The sites are ostensibly intended to fire US Navy “Standard Missiles” which are potent antiballistic missiles. Oh yeah, I wonder why the US dropped out of the ABM treaty? They can also fire US Tomahawk cruise missiles. The USA fielded nuclear armed Tomahawks for a time. One of the predecessors of the Standard Missile also came with a nuclear warhead option. Oh yeah, I wonder why the US dropped out of the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF)?
Huh, this is all quite a mystery.
The purpose of these sites is to threaten Russia. This information is not hidden, there is no reason to be confused.
As NATO expansion continued and the USA installed missile sites in Eastern Europe the threat against Russia clearly went to medium.Nuclear missile silos were not added to Poland and Romania. He is talking about an increased nuclear threat which is false. There were no plans to add nuclear silos to Ukraine and they don't exist in the Baltics even though they border Russia.
The ‘defensive’ missile bs is not something anyone takes seriously. Any missile can be armed with nukes – whether they are, nobody knows, but if you were Russia, it would be a threat.So non-nuclear defensive missiles are an increased threat? Do explain exactly given that they are designed to take down a rogue missile and cannot stop a full attack from Russia. Also explain how this increases the threat when both sides have subs in the oceans that can level the other in 15 minutes. What does that mean? Do you mean that if Russia wins, it is by “cheating”…you are reaching levels of idiocy that are beyond rational discussion. Win in a war is a win. Period.No I mean that Russia could still take Donbas by using wmds/civilian attacks/extortion or other means that would be viewed as cheating. Meaning they would take the territory but the world would view them as the loser for breaking commonly recognized rules of war. Sanctions would most likely exist until Putin is dead. There is no reason to assume that the territory would remain Russian. A future Russian leader could give it back as an apology for Putin. People make a lot of speeches before wars. Why would that be the criteria? But even if we take it, Russia has clearly for now (or maybe forever) stopped Nato expansion into Ukraine…see today’s news. No he did not stop them from joining NATO. Nothing has changed. Are you unaware that Ukraine did not qualify for NATO before the war? Finland was neutral since WW2 and joined NATO after Putin's invasion. In what kind of crazy cope world do you consider that a success?Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow
…but missile silos were installed in Poland and Romania. It is your word that they are not “nuclear” and never will be, why should Russia trust it? Did US trust Russia’s word in Cuba?
Then you escape into “but MAD, nuclear subs can destroy everything anyway“. Maybe, but maybe there is a way to block them eventually – and they are slower: missiles 5-7 minutes from Moscow give Nato an upper hand in a crisis.
There is no reason for US to leave ABM and install missiles in Poland-Romania unless it is aimed at Russia. Can you tell us another reason? You argue that they are “defensive”…but what is that, do they fly backwards? What you say makes no sense, it may fool the stupid disengaged Western public, but Russians are not stupid. It is elementary logic that it is aimed at Russia, and in Ukraine it would be even more dangerous.
What would those rules be? Dropping nukes on Japan? Destroying cities by massive bombing in “shock-and-awe”? Blowing up utilities and trains in Serbia? By that logic all wars cheat, definitely the ones West fights.
No, winning a war means you defeated the enemy and took his land – if Russia does it, it will be a win.
The war has stopped it. Before the war, Ukraine was sooner or later going to be admitted, now it is official: Kiev has to win in order to join Nato. What are the odds of a Ukie victory? At a minimum Russia can just keep the war going and Kiev can’t join Nato. Everything has changed – the Nato expansion has effectively been checked – also for Georgia and Moldova.
Is Finland your consolation prize? Good, maybe it will help in calming it down. Any Russian leader would gladly exchange Ukraine for the fake-neutral Finland now bering officially in Nato. but was is in it for the Ukies?
Ukraine joining NATO is probably like Ukraine receiving F-16s at the start of the war. Even some months ago aviation experts were telling us that it's not even technically possible, as they need very well maintained runways that Ukraine wouldn't be able to keep and years of training to be used competently. Now all these obstacles have mysteriously vanished (perhaps because they're planning to provide much more support behind the curtains than just handing over the jets). As a matter of fact, the wording of the final statement was very ambiguous. Ukraine will join NATO when its members agree to it and "the conditions are right". No clear reminder that a country at war cannot join NATO.
This dynamic of constant escalation has in part been fueled by the Kremlin's inability or unwillingness to do anything about it but I think that people in the West have quickly forgotten how we got here in the first place. Nobody thought that Putin would be crazy enough to launch a full fledged invasion of Ukraine but he suddenly snapped and did just that. Why couldn't all this escalation dynamic end one day in the same sudden way?Replies: @Beckow
Further expansion of the NATO infrastructure and the beginning of military development in Ukraine's territories are unacceptable for us. Finland added more NATO border to Russia than Ukraine. You have abandoned Western logic you think this is anything less than a failed goal for Putin.
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c7316b7a6f6ee60e2766118db4108927?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1080&cropW=1620&xPos=150&yPos=0&width=862&height=575How not to prevent the expansion of NATO:
Launch a full scale 1930s style invasion against your neighbor and make non-NATO countries realize that they may need protection from a homicidal dwarfThe fact that Putin didn't issue an ultimatum over NATO says it all. He planned on taking Ukraine and turning it into Russia. He didn't want to exist as a neutral state. He broke his word on making LPR/DPR independent Republics. He is a liar and trying to go out as a conqueror. NATO was the excuse and he doesn't use it anymore. Hitler also used a poor excuse for war "Muh radio attack" but at least admitted to being a warlord that wanted to take your shit.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
I agree.
Are there necessary atrocities? I suppose the Western view is that killing 3k Russian civilians in Donbas or burning them in Odessa was necessary. Was Nato killing in its wars also necessary?
That puts the “invasion” in a different context. My point is that there is no morality involved here – the winner will decide what is right. Complaining that the winner has gone too far, that they should do it proportionally – as AP seems to suggest – is a fool’s game. Why should they? Once there is a war there are no rules or morality. US general Sherman said something like that in the US Civil War.
It was Kiev under pressure from the West that decided to go va banque in the spring of 2022. Russia offered a deal that would preserve a neutral Ukraine, a more punitive Minsk. Now all Kiev has to do is win and they will have both morality and independence. But if they don’t…
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/gmaps.jsp?indexToShow=getRentIndex
Latam, South Asia, Africa, and even (this will surprise many) much of developed East Asia is currently cheap relative to Western Europe and (especially) the US.
But it's a considerable hassle to move there even if you have multiple passports and savings.
Ideally a US or European worker should have as little barriers to moving for a job to some other state as to Kyoto or Kochi (and the other way round as well).
I think this is the logical outlook of elite human capital.Replies: @songbird, @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
I do have an off-topic question for you about EHC: If EHC is generally right, then do you think that EHC would have also been right on the question of a Ukrainian insurgency had Ukraine fallen to the Russians? AFAICT, EHC was generally arguing that there was going to be some kind of Ukrainian insurgency.
Ukraine’s low TFR would have severely hurt it, but it also had a large population base and could have relied on cheaper ways to oppose the Russians like bombs. The issue that I have, however, is that I’m not convinced that a Ukrainian insurgency could have actually been able to inflict the kinds of losses that would have been necessary for Russia to withdraw from Ukraine. If Algeria is anything to go by, France required losses in the low tens of thousands before it was actually willing to withdraw from Algeria. And Algerians lost hundreds of thousands of their own people in this struggle. I’m have significant doubts that Ukrainians would have voluntarily been willing to endure those kinds of losses. And even then (which, again, I suspect would have been unlikely), it might not have been enough. Russia might have withdrawn from the territories west of Kiev but nevertheless permanently held onto Kiev (after physically removing most of its disloyal population), Left-Bank Ukraine, and Novorossiya for itself (since those territories would have had a less severe insurgency/terrorism problem, thus making them easier for Russia to manage).
Philippe Lemoine argues that Russia should have simply been allowed to conquer Ukraine so that the West could have subsequently funded an anti-Russian insurgency in Ukraine ‘coz it’s cheaper than funding a conventional war effort against Russia and also (in his view) less likely to severely piss Russia off. What do you think?
https://i.redd.it/vrr42zphj8s81.jpg
Russia would offer to withdraw from the Ukrainian territories west of Kiev in exchange for a permanent neutrality commitment while permanently holding onto the rest of Ukraine.
But again, this would only be the case if Ukrainian insurgents (and/or terrorists) would have actually managed to inflict deaths at least in the low tens of thousands upon Russia.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikhail
Ukraine's low TFR would have severely hurt it, but it also had a large population base and could have relied on cheaper ways to oppose the Russians like bombs. The issue that I have, however, is that I'm not convinced that a Ukrainian insurgency could have actually been able to inflict the kinds of losses that would have been necessary for Russia to withdraw from Ukraine. If Algeria is anything to go by, France required losses in the low tens of thousands before it was actually willing to withdraw from Algeria. And Algerians lost hundreds of thousands of their own people in this struggle. I'm have significant doubts that Ukrainians would have voluntarily been willing to endure those kinds of losses. And even then (which, again, I suspect would have been unlikely), it might not have been enough. Russia might have withdrawn from the territories west of Kiev but nevertheless permanently held onto Kiev (after physically removing most of its disloyal population), Left-Bank Ukraine, and Novorossiya for itself (since those territories would have had a less severe insurgency/terrorism problem, thus making them easier for Russia to manage).
Philippe Lemoine argues that Russia should have simply been allowed to conquer Ukraine so that the West could have subsequently funded an anti-Russian insurgency in Ukraine 'coz it's cheaper than funding a conventional war effort against Russia and also (in his view) less likely to severely piss Russia off. What do you think?Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Specifically, in the event of a Russian conquest of Ukraine plus a subsequent *severe* anti-Russian insurgency there afterwards, I suspect that the top left scenario would have ultimately been the most likely final outcome:
Russia would offer to withdraw from the Ukrainian territories west of Kiev in exchange for a permanent neutrality commitment while permanently holding onto the rest of Ukraine.
But again, this would only be the case if Ukrainian insurgents (and/or terrorists) would have actually managed to inflict deaths at least in the low tens of thousands upon Russia.
Some details:
-- Most NeoNAZIs killed (serious ones) or arrested (sincere LARPers). Enough infrastructure destroyed to cause serious privations. Most transport to/from the West is stopped (ports, rail and roads across borders, airfields). Serious border control for a time.
-- Elite compradors leave on the last plane out of dodge. Their trusting lackeys hang from pikes along with nasty people.
-- Ukrainian heavy weapons are controlled. Many angry Ukrainian survivors turn into police against foolish residual nationalists.
-- Russia controls all electronic communications, only samizdat left for provocateurs.
-- Russia supplies survivors with food, water, heat and emotional guidance to lead Ukrainians back from the precipice.
I'm not suggesting this is nice, pretty, fair or benevolent. I just think it is the likely outcome of the West conning the Ukrainians into their 60 seconds of fame as pawns.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/11112022-checking-recent-western-establishment-russia-ukraine-narratives-oped/
Excerpt - Will add that Russia could only consider accepting the above with the Kiev regime having a strictly enforced limited military contingent with no NATO membership and an end to the BS sanctions like the NATO/EU influenced ones in sports.
For now, the collective West and its proxy will not consider such. A change in Western leaders and a change in the battle field will be key in determining the future.
Low-IQ yahoos were having severe difficulty finding Tucker Carson’s releases. I posted it simply to share information that #NeverTrump extremists declared “disastrously” suppressed.
Everyone notices your cowardice and intellectual shallowness. You ignore critical questions that you are incapable of answering. Let me restate for you:
Only a #Bidenista coward would duck the question.
What better option should Carlson have chosen?
Everyone sees that you have been caught lying (again)!
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I would have gone with something like "Not all Muslims are bad, some are just confused" and listed a few examples.
On a different front, I saw a headline mentioning that Trump enabled some of this transgender madness by accepting an early Miss Universe crypto-tranny. Sounds like something to investigate.Replies: @A123
Everyone notices your cowardice and intellectual shallowness. You ignore critical questions that you are incapable of answering. Let me restate for you: Only a #Bidenista coward would duck the question.
What better option should Carlson have chosen?
Everyone sees that you have been caught lying (again)!
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You should have quit after the LOL 🙂
I would have gone with something like “Not all Muslims are bad, some are just confused” and listed a few examples.
On a different front, I saw a headline mentioning that Trump enabled some of this transgender madness by accepting an early Miss Universe crypto-tranny. Sounds like something to investigate.
You should have quit before joining the Low-IQ yahoo crowd.
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Keep your crazy up. Patriots need something to laugh at. Your volunteer comic relief is appreciated.
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I would have gone with something like "Not all Muslims are bad, some are just confused" and listed a few examples.
On a different front, I saw a headline mentioning that Trump enabled some of this transgender madness by accepting an early Miss Universe crypto-tranny. Sounds like something to investigate.Replies: @A123
As you have chosen to be a low-IQ agent for Mikel. Answer the question…
Only a #Bidenista coward would duck the question. What better option should Carlson have chosen?
You should have quit before joining the Low-IQ yahoo crowd.
Keep your crazy up. Patriots need something to laugh at. Your volunteer comic relief is appreciated.
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Put donkeys and electricity to good use:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khFb4FTJ4Jo
https://i.redd.it/vrr42zphj8s81.jpg
Russia would offer to withdraw from the Ukrainian territories west of Kiev in exchange for a permanent neutrality commitment while permanently holding onto the rest of Ukraine.
But again, this would only be the case if Ukrainian insurgents (and/or terrorists) would have actually managed to inflict deaths at least in the low tens of thousands upon Russia.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikhail
Top left map but with new Russian border 100 km West of the river. Russia will keep grinding until they are ready to take over.
Some details:
— Most NeoNAZIs killed (serious ones) or arrested (sincere LARPers). Enough infrastructure destroyed to cause serious privations. Most transport to/from the West is stopped (ports, rail and roads across borders, airfields). Serious border control for a time.
— Elite compradors leave on the last plane out of dodge. Their trusting lackeys hang from pikes along with nasty people.
— Ukrainian heavy weapons are controlled. Many angry Ukrainian survivors turn into police against foolish residual nationalists.
— Russia controls all electronic communications, only samizdat left for provocateurs.
— Russia supplies survivors with food, water, heat and emotional guidance to lead Ukrainians back from the precipice.
I’m not suggesting this is nice, pretty, fair or benevolent. I just think it is the likely outcome of the West conning the Ukrainians into their 60 seconds of fame as pawns.
You should have quit before joining the Low-IQ yahoo crowd.
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Keep your crazy up. Patriots need something to laugh at. Your volunteer comic relief is appreciated.
PEACE 😇Replies: @QCIC
I didn’t read your first message, why would I read this one?
Put donkeys and electricity to good use:
Everyone notices your cowardice and intellectual shallowness. You ignore critical questions that you are incapable of answering. Let me restate for you: Only a #Bidenista coward would duck the question.
What better option should Carlson have chosen?
Everyone sees that you have been caught lying (again)!
PEACE 😇Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
In a way, you are right. No matter how much abuse you have to take from Musk or anyone else, high IQ Trumpers such as the QAnon Shaman, Lil Wayne or yourself will always find the way to carry on listening to your idols, even though you may have missed the small detail that Tucker’s private emails revealed how much he despises Trump lol.
As for me, I haven’t had cable TV or watched any major channel since shortly after Tucker replaced O’Reilly so nothing really changes. I only watch clips of Tucker’s shows that someone else highlights somewhere. However, I don’t have any problem admitting that I may have misjudged how strong Twitter’s moat (to borrow Dmitry’s term) is. This latest Tucker episode shows 60M views. If that figure is remotely reliable, in which case many more people would now be watching Tucker than when he was at Fox, I guess people are too lazy to switch to better plarforms such as TG so I’ll have to give in to retard Elon and open a Twitter account. I try to keep my social media presence at a minimum but I already have a couple of accounts with woke companies in order to function online so I guess it’s not such a big issue to open one more with Trump-like fiasco Elon. But I’ll wait for a while. Elon has proven to be perfectly capable of destroying Twitter and there may be no need to give in to his whims.
I accept your apology.
PEACE 😇
https://www.quiverquant.com/threadstracker/A question, will politicians or journalists also switch. Or will Threads allow Twitter to still have this market for news and politics? Because one of the popular markets for Twitter, was actually journalists.
It's possibly one of the reasons, journalism was more stupid in the last decade. Because the journalists were previously more educated people, with higher culture level. New York Times was for people who are sitting in the opera and not addicted to social media. But in the last decade, journalists were using their time to one of the world's most stupid social media websites, many perhaps developed attention deficiency disorder partly because of this.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
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Russia would offer to withdraw from the Ukrainian territories west of Kiev in exchange for a permanent neutrality commitment while permanently holding onto the rest of Ukraine.
But again, this would only be the case if Ukrainian insurgents (and/or terrorists) would have actually managed to inflict deaths at least in the low tens of thousands upon Russia.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikhail
In Antiwar.com, Ted Snider recently brought up what’s mentioned in this 11/11/22 piece:
https://www.eurasiareview.com/11112022-checking-recent-western-establishment-russia-ukraine-narratives-oped/
Excerpt –
Will add that Russia could only consider accepting the above with the Kiev regime having a strictly enforced limited military contingent with no NATO membership and an end to the BS sanctions like the NATO/EU influenced ones in sports.
For now, the collective West and its proxy will not consider such. A change in Western leaders and a change in the battle field will be key in determining the future.
Sorry for being so so tangential. Let me be very direct: I do not think Putin is currently very unrepresentative of average Russian thinking on Ukraine, which has evolved to a much harder line. Zelensky is representative of Ukraine; if Zelensky resigned tomorrow that would not lead to Ukraine capitulating. Similarly, most Russians agree that Russia faces an existential threat from Ukraine joining NATO and it would be too late to do anything about it after it happens, as it almost did in 2008 and could again.
Zelensky is asking for Ukraine to become a full member NATO while the Ukraine-RusFed war is going on, and complaining the West refused. Yet at present Ukraine joining would mean the US Britain and other countries would be obliged to fight alongside Ukraine against Russia. What NATO countries have been willing to do is give arms. Ukraine ask for one type of weapon, and when they get it they instantly start lobbying for something else now they are demanding things such as advanced fighters that are capable of hitting inside Russia proper, which donor countries would have not control over once the Ukrainians get their hands on them. The missiles wedded to omniscient US targeting data will, when Ukraine gets ATACMs, lead to the Russia command and control being broken down
The Ukrainians have been given many things already, almost all come from limited stocks in each country and in a great many cases there are no production lines actively replenishing the stocks (starting them up and running them open endedly would be a commitment to something that could be incredibly expensive, because free stuff that will be replaced is going to be use profligately. However a blank cheque to Ukraine to to pound the Russians inside Ukraine is getting more and more likely. Storm Shadow killed a the highest ranking general to yet die in Ukraine the other day. The mindset being created in the surviving generals can only be imagined, but seems unlikely to lead to them opposing a bold more to end the war while rescuing Russia from being progressively written down by Western productive capacity and economic strength until they the Kremlin ends the war by capitulating, and in Ukraine joins NATO (something the alliance has just reiterated will someday happen).
Bye bye to General Ivan Popov, will he be sent to Belarus too? After 500 days Russia is yet to find the right general to head the Ukraine war? Another crack in the wall. Russia will soon experience an absence of colonels and generals that will be hard to replace, like they're currently experiencing with ammunition and weaponry...Replies: @Sean
Thank you for admitting I am correct.
I accept your apology.
PEACE 😇
Zelensky probably knowingly is over the top when making his demands to Western leaders. By moving his requests to the extreme, he knows that whatever will be thrown his way is probably more than if he were meek in his demands. He didn’t get a NATO action plan this time around, but he did get assurances from some of his supporters that puts Ukraine in a similar status as Israel, which isn’t bad. Inch by inch, kilometer by kilometer to victory. Another Russian general recently got axed by Putler himself for criticizing the home office’s inability to provide enough supplies to the front lines. Sounds like another Prigozhin, only Prigozhin still has his job (for now).
Another crack in the wall. Russia will soon experience an absence of colonels and generals that will be hard to replace, like they’re currently experiencing with ammunition and weaponry…
What was thrown his way in Feb 2022 was more than he knew to expect; he clearly thought Russia would not dare. Israel is not in any kind of meaningful war and Iran, its only remaining enemy is helpless in the face of the Jewish state's military superiority while Ukraine is going toe to toe with Russia, a more powerful state with a formidable capacity to further mobilise, which seems intent on using to the very last extremity if necessary, and a cult of nationality based on military triumph despite serious losses. Is Ukraine's anti 'Rucist' elegy being as favorably received in the Eurovision Song Contest as an Israeli transsexuals warbling previously was the status to which you allude? In the begining Russia was awfull slow to react and terrible ponderous; there were a series of makeshifts to reverses and shortages that threatened to overwhelm the Kremlin and their field commanders, but we are past finger in the dyke time for Russia in Ukraine. Like a living thing a country that can draw on resources such as Russia can rebuild itself and stronger-- if you give it time. The days of extraordinary victories are over it are past because it has been given the time through failure to swiftly crush--not merely drive back--the professional core of the Russian army that went into the lion's den when it tried to take Kievwas a failure to take a golden oppertunity. Zelensky's unjustified conviction that Putin was sabre rattling meant that Kiev was unable to properly prepare to inflict a complete defeat in detail of the force that descended on it and so the Russians were able to withdraw in relatively good order. Russia will experience no dearth of generals because those dismissed in the current purge of those who have been guilty of unsoldierly bitching (I suspect Popov is being dismissed retroactively for an old memo that appears in a different light after the Wagner mutiny), instead of getting on with it will be immediately though temporarily replaced by their deputies, as Surovikin seems to have been, and then other officers will be receiving a promotion into any vacancy once they have been vetted for absolute political reliability.
The Russian Lieutenant General who was killed the other day had already been severely wounded in the HIMARS attacks of last year. The command hubs had been moved back and hardened but in addition to its range Storm Shadow has a two stage warhead for defeating such bunkers. The officers being promoted to fill such battlefield command vacancies as Western missiles are endlessly (Britain has hundreds of Storm Shadows it might spare) creating will have a very real motive to--in cognitive dissonance--approve terminating the war by theatre thermonuclear use, ostensibly to save Russia. Posing a duration-of-the-hostilities ongoing threat to the life of the very individuals who Putin will may one day consult about whether in the view of the military expert professionals, Russia ought to step out of the conventional warfare realm and on to the tactical nuclear ladder of escalation to end the war. Hmmm ...Replies: @Mr. Hack
Was wearing a hat the other day, and there was this thumb-sized jumping spider on top of it, and I could quite distinctly hear its separate footsteps.
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I’m taking your advice and trying to incorporate the opinions of Russians too. Popov isn’t painting a pretty picture like you are about Russia and its war efforts in Ukraine. Who’s lying here, you or General Popov? Is Popov the politicized one here, or are you?
I have read that Phoenix is about to have a 120 degree heat wave. Some even say that it may be the end of Phoenix, the final heat wave to put you out of your misery...:) A guy named Popper claims the earth will be so hot and dry it will crack, open up and the Mexicans will crawl out of the holes. It sounds about right...what do you think?Replies: @Mr. Hack
Did it end up bighting you? Spider Man 2?…
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I’ve heard of one or two people being bitten by brown recluse spiders, but I think most people I know who say they’ve been bitten seem to have been bitten at night, sleeping, perhaps when they rolled on a spider.
I’ve had all sorts of close encounters without being bitten, so I think my fear of spiders is relatively low.
I mentioned before here how I once accidentally put about three of the tips of my fingers on a small wolf spider, and I thought it felt extraordinarily strange. Touch is a more refined sense than we realize.
“rolling on a spider” feeling “extraordinarily strange.”
At once makes me think about my encounter with a scorpion following a real hectic day (my car got totalled by the student I was teaching to drive my car). After making it home, and dozing off to sleep around 2:00, I was awoken by the strangest feeling of all, due to a scorpion bite. To make a long story short, I ended up going to an emergency room, for the pain was starting to circulate throughout my whole body. I can’t say much more, as I’m getting ready to go to work. Do you work somewhere else than at home? I never see you write about any work situations?…..
I've long thought that a more socially-minded society would build simulators for kids. Maybe, give out hours as a reward for something I try not give out too many personal details, as I think I am too much of a controversialist, esp. in these parts. Suspect a few have been fired just for browsing this site.
Anyone else heard these strange rumors about France wanting to sell the Kerguelen Islands to the Chinese for €60 billion?
Could the Chinese have started them, just to goad India?
If Musk was willing to pay $47 billion for Twitter (though mostly other people’s money), then I should think they would be worth more, even if they are ice-covered and cursed with gales for 300 days/year.
I wonder to what extent they could be geoengineered. Perhaps walls would solve the wind problem. Or maybe winds would be a lot of free energy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerguelen_Islands
In any society you will get a broad spectrum of views. If you pick the sky-is-falling prophets in any country, you will be paralyzed – it is true about UK, Germany, US or Russia. You don’t have to look too far to find Popovs everywhere.
I have read that Phoenix is about to have a 120 degree heat wave. Some even say that it may be the end of Phoenix, the final heat wave to put you out of your misery…:) A guy named Popper claims the earth will be so hot and dry it will crack, open up and the Mexicans will crawl out of the holes. It sounds about right…what do you think?
I have read that Phoenix is about to have a 120 degree heat wave. Some even say that it may be the end of Phoenix, the final heat wave to put you out of your misery...:) A guy named Popper claims the earth will be so hot and dry it will crack, open up and the Mexicans will crawl out of the holes. It sounds about right...what do you think?Replies: @Mr. Hack
I’d sooner believe that a guy named Beckow would just admit that Popov is telling the truth about things. I mean really Beckow, Popov is a high ranking general that just ruined his career. Why would he make such statements that obviously have ruined his illustrious career, unless he really felt that they were true?
Only thing they have around these parts are pseudoscorpions (lack the tail), and I only recall seeing one once, when I was about 5 or 6.
Best place to start learning to drive, IMO, is the graveyard because you can learn to work the pedals without worrying about traffic. But I suppose most people wouldn’t pay for that.
I’ve long thought that a more socially-minded society would build simulators for kids. Maybe, give out hours as a reward for something
I try not give out too many personal details, as I think I am too much of a controversialist, esp. in these parts. Suspect a few have been fired just for browsing this site.
Maybe he was drunk. Or is a manic depressive. Why does Popper claim that Phoenix is doomed with the coming 120 degree heat?
Do you really think that one person’s oddball views are representative of the whole country? There are Popovs-Poppers-J Johnsons everywhere…so stay cool. And safe, maybe it is time to go fishing.
https://usrussiaukraineconflict.weebly.com/uploads/2/8/6/0/28604727/1399047727.jpgReplies: @Beckow
I don’t know why you are so optimistic. In the past weeks there has been a serious discussion about letting Ukraine join NATO right now and I’ve seen very few people pointing out how deranged the idea is. Apparently, some Balts were officially pushing for that, Trump ally Graham led the charge in the US Senate and there was a letter signed by former top officials of NATO, the CIA, etc calling for this immediate expansion of the war. Former Supreme Commander Wesley Clark was among them and of course there could be no lack of Trump appointees such as Kurt Volker (showing how ridiculous it is to base your vote on what he says, we may not have even had a war had it not been for the Kurt Volkers that Trump put in charge of relations with Russia).
Ukraine joining NATO is probably like Ukraine receiving F-16s at the start of the war. Even some months ago aviation experts were telling us that it’s not even technically possible, as they need very well maintained runways that Ukraine wouldn’t be able to keep and years of training to be used competently. Now all these obstacles have mysteriously vanished (perhaps because they’re planning to provide much more support behind the curtains than just handing over the jets). As a matter of fact, the wording of the final statement was very ambiguous. Ukraine will join NATO when its members agree to it and “the conditions are right”. No clear reminder that a country at war cannot join NATO.
This dynamic of constant escalation has in part been fueled by the Kremlin’s inability or unwillingness to do anything about it but I think that people in the West have quickly forgotten how we got here in the first place. Nobody thought that Putin would be crazy enough to launch a full fledged invasion of Ukraine but he suddenly snapped and did just that. Why couldn’t all this escalation dynamic end one day in the same sudden way?
Could the Chinese have started them, just to goad India?
If Musk was willing to pay $47 billion for Twitter (though mostly other people's money), then I should think they would be worth more, even if they are ice-covered and cursed with gales for 300 days/year.
I wonder to what extent they could be geoengineered. Perhaps walls would solve the wind problem. Or maybe winds would be a lot of free energy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerguelen_IslandsReplies: @Mikel
If Iceland or the Falkland Islands are economically valuable without any geoengineering, so are the Kerguelen. At sea level the conditions are almost the same. Possibly even better than parts of the coast of northern Iceland, that gets frozen over some winters. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it connected to Greenland by ice on a satellite image.
What I heard is that the native flies and butterflies evolved to be without wings because of the winds. And the plants are self-pollinating.
Western side seems like it might be a little wet, but I don't think any place infested with feral cats and rabbits and with its own native cabbage could be that bad. Seems like a rich fishing ground, and it would make a killer sub base, for the Chinese. (Though I doubt it is really for sale.) The Brendan Voyage (a recreation of the mythohistorical voyage of St. Brendan) had an interesting chapter about the sea ice, where they had to be towed out of it. Those guys were crazy.
Seems like if the Irish were ever in Greenland, they could have only got there during certain climatic cycles.
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Ukraine joining NATO is probably like Ukraine receiving F-16s at the start of the war. Even some months ago aviation experts were telling us that it's not even technically possible, as they need very well maintained runways that Ukraine wouldn't be able to keep and years of training to be used competently. Now all these obstacles have mysteriously vanished (perhaps because they're planning to provide much more support behind the curtains than just handing over the jets). As a matter of fact, the wording of the final statement was very ambiguous. Ukraine will join NATO when its members agree to it and "the conditions are right". No clear reminder that a country at war cannot join NATO.
This dynamic of constant escalation has in part been fueled by the Kremlin's inability or unwillingness to do anything about it but I think that people in the West have quickly forgotten how we got here in the first place. Nobody thought that Putin would be crazy enough to launch a full fledged invasion of Ukraine but he suddenly snapped and did just that. Why couldn't all this escalation dynamic end one day in the same sudden way?Replies: @Beckow
It could. And you are right that Trump was essential in preparing the ground for the war – at best he and Merkel managed to delay it.
I am not optimistic, but the delays buy us time. Something to be grateful for..:) It is unlikely that Russia is bluffing – see Lavrov’s latest statement, he is usually the sober one, other than Putin himself. There is a weary resignation in it – they now understand that there is no good ending for anyone, no way to end the war without further massive escalations.
I asked why would Nato do what it has done – missiles in Poland-Romania, attempt to expand to Ukraine, dropping the ABM treaty – and nobody can provide an answer. If Nato is not preparing to corner or attack Russia when it is weak next time, why do it? What other conceivable reason is there?
They didn’t think it through: Russia’s economy didn’t collapse and they went for a war when feeling threatened – as Russia has always done in the past. Now for the consequences – but all of it was unnecessary, there was no need to have Ukies in Nato or missiles in Poland. No need to take-over Russia to get its resources. If the West would just pretend to be a friend, they would gladly give it away quite cheaply.
Bye bye to General Ivan Popov, will he be sent to Belarus too? After 500 days Russia is yet to find the right general to head the Ukraine war? Another crack in the wall. Russia will soon experience an absence of colonels and generals that will be hard to replace, like they're currently experiencing with ammunition and weaponry...Replies: @Sean
He was unknowingly underreacting when rejecting Putin’s progressively more threatening demands for concessions on Ukraine’s future military alignment between 2019 and the invasion; yet in 2015 Putin had already supplied abundant evidence of his willingness to abandon hybrid methods and use large heavy weapons formations of the Russian army to rapidly advance deep inside Ukraine. Why Zelensky thought he could decline to enact Minsk and rearm for three years without consequence is a mystery.
What was thrown his way in Feb 2022 was more than he knew to expect; he clearly thought Russia would not dare.
Israel is not in any kind of meaningful war and Iran, its only remaining enemy is helpless in the face of the Jewish state’s military superiority while Ukraine is going toe to toe with Russia, a more powerful state with a formidable capacity to further mobilise, which seems intent on using to the very last extremity if necessary, and a cult of nationality based on military triumph despite serious losses. Is Ukraine’s anti ‘Rucist’ elegy being as favorably received in the Eurovision Song Contest as an Israeli transsexuals warbling previously was the status to which you allude?
In the begining Russia was awfull slow to react and terrible ponderous; there were a series of makeshifts to reverses and shortages that threatened to overwhelm the Kremlin and their field commanders, but we are past finger in the dyke time for Russia in Ukraine. Like a living thing a country that can draw on resources such as Russia can rebuild itself and stronger– if you give it time. The days of extraordinary victories are over it are past because it has been given the time through failure to swiftly crush–not merely drive back–the professional core of the Russian army that went into the lion’s den when it tried to take Kievwas a failure to take a golden oppertunity. Zelensky’s unjustified conviction that Putin was sabre rattling meant that Kiev was unable to properly prepare to inflict a complete defeat in detail of the force that descended on it and so the Russians were able to withdraw in relatively good order.
Russia will experience no dearth of generals because those dismissed in the current purge of those who have been guilty of unsoldierly bitching (I suspect Popov is being dismissed retroactively for an old memo that appears in a different light after the Wagner mutiny), instead of getting on with it will be immediately though temporarily replaced by their deputies, as Surovikin seems to have been, and then other officers will be receiving a promotion into any vacancy once they have been vetted for absolute political reliability.
The Russian Lieutenant General who was killed the other day had already been severely wounded in the HIMARS attacks of last year. The command hubs had been moved back and hardened but in addition to its range Storm Shadow has a two stage warhead for defeating such bunkers. The officers being promoted to fill such battlefield command vacancies as Western missiles are endlessly (Britain has hundreds of Storm Shadows it might spare) creating will have a very real motive to–in cognitive dissonance–approve terminating the war by theatre thermonuclear use, ostensibly to save Russia. Posing a duration-of-the-hostilities ongoing threat to the life of the very individuals who Putin will may one day consult about whether in the view of the military expert professionals, Russia ought to step out of the conventional warfare realm and on to the tactical nuclear ladder of escalation to end the war. Hmmm …
You and Putler up in a tree, b-u-r-n-i-n-g.
With glib answers like this, I think that it’s you that needs to take a vacation from this blogsite, perhaps permanently? Popov was no average, middle of the road spelunker, but the Russian general responsible for conducting the “special operation” for Russia in Ukraine. His opinions about what’s going on are much more important than those of a Slovakian remodeler who seems to have more time on his hands than contracts that afford him a reasonable living. Although I do understand why you’d rather sweep General Popov and his bold statements, pointing to the Russian military imploding, under the rug. But according to you, everything is just fine and going well in Russia (what a load of BS).
https://usrussiaukraineconflict.weebly.com/uploads/2/8/6/0/28604727/1399047727.jpgReplies: @Beckow
I will stick around to celebrate your forever predicted Russian collapse – or the opposite which is more likely. You don’t seem too interested in the truth.
We understand that old men get cranky in the 100 degree Phoenix heat, so enjoy your retarded pictures. Did you see the picture of the lonely Zelko in Vilnius ignored by two Euro-lesbos hugging each other and by everyone else? That summarized his predicament: he was ordered to fight to death and told there will be no Nato for now. Holy shit.
I wonder how motivated will be the poor Ukie soldiers when told they have to storm Donbas-Crimea or even Moscow to get to the Nato nirvana. Tough.
Ben Wallace: "What are we Amazon"?
Joey Zahsa!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y5avbBGb-Q
https://theduran.com/reality-smacks-nato-in-vilnius-zelensky-trapped-and-isolated/
https://theduran.com/nato-vilnius-summit-day-2-biden-russia-cease-its-attacks-on-russia-u-1/Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard
Been fascinated by these far southern islands since I read about Shackleton’s boat journey.
What I heard is that the native flies and butterflies evolved to be without wings because of the winds. And the plants are self-pollinating.
Western side seems like it might be a little wet, but I don’t think any place infested with feral cats and rabbits and with its own native cabbage could be that bad. Seems like a rich fishing ground, and it would make a killer sub base, for the Chinese. (Though I doubt it is really for sale.)
The Brendan Voyage (a recreation of the mythohistorical voyage of St. Brendan) had an interesting chapter about the sea ice, where they had to be towed out of it. Those guys were crazy.
Seems like if the Irish were ever in Greenland, they could have only got there during certain climatic cycles.
I hope they don’t sell them. I have long thought someone should turn these islands into a non-governmental space port (no home country). It would be a nice place for non-network state people to get off world.
My plan was to simply take the islands by squatting combined with bribery of the French.
I like that old expression: in the Forties, there is no law; in the Fifties, no God.Replies: @QCIC
No, I missed those photos. But I’m not surprised that the two dykes showed no interest in hugging the Z-man. If you’d been there, they’d have no problem in trying to hug you, who’s turned on by anything that moves and breathes. Does your wife know about your promiscuous ways, or is she a “swinger” too? 🙂
Aggression in the Life-World: Expanding Parsons’ Concept of Aggression Through a Description of the Connection Between Jargon, Aggression, and Culture
PhD dissertation of Alex Karp, mucky muck @ Palantir
His sector of the deep state has all of us little guys completely spec’d in the theories of Sigmund Freud. Goofed Department of Defense.
https://www.boundary2.org/2020/07/moira-weigel-palantir-goes-to-the-frankfurt-school/
There was an announcement by Nato in 2008 that Ukraine and Georgia would be joining Nato someday and Georgia was invaded by Russia months later. That Ukraine would join was reiterated every year at the Nato conferences. What did Trump have to do with any of this? Russia hybrid invaded Ukraine in 2014 and went into all out war against it in 2022 because Ukraine refused to give up the ambition of joining Nato. Trump had nothing to do with that.
? In 2015 Putin sent multiple formed up battalion tactical groups of the Russian army into Ukraine and they rapidly advanced. European leaders including Merkel helped broker a deal in the Minsk negotiation, whereby Donbass would return to Ukraine but have autonomy and a veto over new international alliances, which would have obviated the need for Russia to ever invade again because Donbass could have prevented Ukraine actually joining Nato.
Once the Russian regular army pulled Ukraine stalled and built up its fortification line and military capabilities. In the run up the 2019 election of Zelensky on peace platform Poroshenko put it in the country’s constitution that Ukraine would become a member of Nato. Zelensky, who had won election by promising to get the lost territories back but being vague about how, and who had attracted substantial support from ethnic Russians in Ukraine, seemed about to go through with Minsk after getting some minor concessions on it but in the face of demonstrations and warnings he would be overthrown declined to sign a modified Minsk agreement. Trump and Merkel had nothing to do with any of this it was domestic Ukrainian politics.
Zelensky’s own people were rather resentful that the new administration was not backing them to the hilt–especially after the Trump impeachment that had seen all the Dem accusations of Trump failing in his supposed duty to support Ukraine.
When Ukraine and Russia were in the same state under the same government there was no way there could be a war. Ukraine gave that security up when it decided to become independent, and from the moment it was the mutual ill will between the two now-separate countries grew inexorably. Why wouldn’t it?
Starting with Austria in the 1960s, when the Soviet discovered a way to get capital to spend on much needed investment to properly exploit resources and build infrastructure, Western Europe has been a very well paying customer for Russian resources, especially energy which crashed in price toward the end of the Cold War then rose in value greatly under Putin. East Europe, especially Poland and Ukraine, wanted to be not only independent but Western aligned, and yet continue getting the special rock bottom price for gas that they had been given by the USSR. Zelensky got a sweetener deal on it from Putin in 2019.
A loose analogy – Zelensky is kind of like Joey Zahsa in the Godfather III scene where Michael cuts him off from support at a board meeting. Zahsa then has a verbal rampage saying how he’s owed. The big difference is that Zelensky has no firepower to get back at anyone.
Ben Wallace: “What are we Amazon”?
Joey Zahsa!
https://theduran.com/reality-smacks-nato-in-vilnius-zelensky-trapped-and-isolated/
https://theduran.com/nato-vilnius-summit-day-2-biden-russia-cease-its-attacks-on-russia-u-1/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dMF8cHKHZA
However much range Joe Mantegna has, his character was written all wrong for GodfatherIII. A film needs a bad guy who is chilling in his villainy, Zahsa was so laughable you could not take the rest of the film seriously.
--- Zelensky thought RusFed was scared of America. After all the Dems anti Trump invective being a Russia agent of influence an about betraying Ukraine Zelensy thought the Biden administration was going to treat Ukraine like it already was a member of Nato, so it could exert military pressure from behind its Donbass fortifications with America radar aided artillery counter battery and Turkish drone without worrying to much about Russia restarting an advance. But far from ending-a low intensity--almost fossilized--war Russia launched into a full scale invasion that was the last thing Zelenskey anticipated.
With friends like these you don't need any enemies.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikhail, @sudden death
Ben Wallace: "What are we Amazon"?
Joey Zahsa!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y5avbBGb-Q
https://theduran.com/reality-smacks-nato-in-vilnius-zelensky-trapped-and-isolated/
https://theduran.com/nato-vilnius-summit-day-2-biden-russia-cease-its-attacks-on-russia-u-1/Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard
That actor is an excellent comedic one.
However much range Joe Mantegna has, his character was written all wrong for GodfatherIII. A film needs a bad guy who is chilling in his villainy, Zahsa was so laughable you could not take the rest of the film seriously.
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Zelensky thought RusFed was scared of America. After all the Dems anti Trump invective being a Russia agent of influence an about betraying Ukraine Zelensy thought the Biden administration was going to treat Ukraine like it already was a member of Nato, so it could exert military pressure from behind its Donbass fortifications with America radar aided artillery counter battery and Turkish drone without worrying to much about Russia restarting an advance. But far from ending-a low intensity–almost fossilized–war Russia launched into a full scale invasion that was the last thing Zelenskey anticipated.
Ben Wallace: "What are we Amazon"?
Joey Zahsa!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y5avbBGb-Q
https://theduran.com/reality-smacks-nato-in-vilnius-zelensky-trapped-and-isolated/
https://theduran.com/nato-vilnius-summit-day-2-biden-russia-cease-its-attacks-on-russia-u-1/Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard
With friends like these you don’t need any enemies.
Most chicks (straight or lesbo) don't favor short guys. This suggests a theory about Joan Johnson. He/her may be undergoing conversion therapy, but her true nature cannot be hidden. So sad.Replies: @Mikhail
Now Eddie, you go to your room.
I won't! I won't! I won't!
With friends like these you don't need any enemies.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikhail, @sudden death
Zelensky is thinking “I can play piano better than you, bitchez.”
Most chicks (straight or lesbo) don’t favor short guys. This suggests a theory about Joan Johnson. He/her may be undergoing conversion therapy, but her true nature cannot be hidden. So sad.
Bonus -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMMvA-XEj80Replies: @John Johnson
Most chicks (straight or lesbo) don't favor short guys. This suggests a theory about Joan Johnson. He/her may be undergoing conversion therapy, but her true nature cannot be hidden. So sad.Replies: @Mikhail
I’m recalling a certain person who some believe might’ve been “Kim Zigfeld”.
Bonus –
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-mariupol-drawing-contingency-154000671.htmlWell that's clearly impossible since Scott Ritter is a reliable source and a true patriot for Russia. I await his next bi-monthly report on how Ukraine is about to be destroyed in a week or two.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack
With friends like these you don't need any enemies.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikhail, @sudden death
Kind of reminded of Eddie Munster.
Now Eddie, you go to your room.
I won’t! I won’t! I won’t!
My plan was to simply take the islands by squatting combined with bribery of the French.Replies: @songbird
Am thinking the Roaring Forties wouldn’t be a great place for space launch. Not high cadence, at least.
I like that old expression: in the Forties, there is no law; in the Fifties, no God.
Take a look at Kazakhstan’s rich diversity when both Kazakhs and Russians are excluded:
…but missile silos were installed in Poland and Romania. It is your word that they are not “nuclear” and never will be, why should Russia trust it? Did US trust Russia’s word in Cuba?
I don’t control them but they have a very specific design.
They are designed to take down rogue missiles from a state like Iran or North Korea. Do you acknowledge that they cannot stop a full Russian attack?
Then you escape into “but MAD, nuclear subs can destroy everything anyway“. Maybe, but maybe there is a way to block them eventually – and they are slower: missiles 5-7 minutes from Moscow give Nato an upper hand in a crisis.
I don’t escape into anything. Pointing out the subs shows how it is all ridiculous excuse making since the MAD equation doesn’t change.
Why don’t you explain how a 5-7 minute faster missile changes the equation in ANY context. Explain any possible advantage in a full nuke exchange.
When Putin’s defenders repeated the lie of “plans for silos” I asked them this very question and they couldn’t provide an answer. They also couldn’t explain why there weren’t silos in the Baltics if location is everything.
Is Finland your consolation prize? Good, maybe it will help in calming it down.
My prize? I would like this war to be over. That is the only prize that I want.
It was Putin that stated the war is about the expansion of NATO. Here are his words from the invasion:
Further expansion of the NATO infrastructure and the beginning of military development in Ukraine’s territories are unacceptable for us.
Finland added more NATO border to Russia than Ukraine.
You have abandoned Western logic you think this is anything less than a failed goal for Putin.
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c7316b7a6f6ee60e2766118db4108927?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1080&cropW=1620&xPos=150&yPos=0&width=862&height=575
How not to prevent the expansion of NATO:
Launch a full scale 1930s style invasion against your neighbor and make non-NATO countries realize that they may need protection from a homicidal dwarf
The fact that Putin didn’t issue an ultimatum over NATO says it all. He planned on taking Ukraine and turning it into Russia. He didn’t want to exist as a neutral state.
He broke his word on making LPR/DPR independent Republics. He is a liar and trying to go out as a conqueror. NATO was the excuse and he doesn’t use it anymore. Hitler also used a poor excuse for war “Muh radio attack” but at least admitted to being a warlord that wanted to take your shit.
The US missile sites in Eastern Europe (interceptor or cruise missile) are obviously aggressive and directed at Russia. The locations are ridiculous for defense against Iran.
They send a message of Western preparedness to attack Russia in a post-MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), "we win, you lose" scenario. The preparation is not meant to be used in an actual strike, but rather to get Russia to capitulate and give up their own missiles. Unfortunately to be credible the attack configuration has to be overwhelmingly strong and the Western commitment to launch a preemptive strike has to be clear. The West has been sending signals that this is true for decades.
This move toward a Western preemptive nuclear strike capability against Russia is straight out of Dr. Strangelove as championed by General Buck Turgidson: "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed...but I can say no more than 10-20 million killed [US citizens]...depending on the breaks." [assumption is > 200 million Soviet citizens killed].
To paraphrase some other wise person, Dr. Strangelove the movie was not supposed to be an instruction manual.
In a preemptive nuclear attack by the US, any of our particular assets such as submarines, ICBMs or cruise missiles could be partially stopped by Russian defenses. This means we need a lot of extra capability. So bases in Romania and Poland are simply the first steps of pushing both missile interceptors and intermediate range missiles as close to Russia as possible. It is simple creep. Start in these countries, add one or two bases every five years and Russia is gradually surrounded.
This is a new Cold War and MAD doomsday scenario the USA has been pushing since the fall of the USSR. Apparently in the eyes of Western Dr. Strangelove/Merkwurdigliebe-types we are in a post-MAD world where the West can actually force Russia to surrender by nuclear brinksmanship.
This is evil, insane, magical and angry thinking which must be stopped.
As a side note, even the Western military intervention in Iraq was not an unequivocal minus. The Iraqi insurgency was defeated, as was ISIS, and Iraqis nowadays are probably at least slightly better off than they were under Saddam Hussein. At least Iraqis have free and fair multiparty elections and a more independent judiciary nowadays. But on the flip side, Iraq's Shi'a paramilitary forces (the ones who were recreated to help fight ISIS in 2014) now appear to be both enriching themselves and getting out of control:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/iraq-quietly-falling-apart
Kosovo is comparable to Iraq (but much less bloody) in the sense that its Christian (Serb, in Kosovo's case) population got ethnically cleansed but its majority population did become better off as a result of the Western intervention into their country.
You are correct that higher average IQ countries tend to produce better outcomes as a result of Western interventions relative to lower average IQ countries, though. This isn't only evident in Europe but also in East Asia: Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, for instance. And Hong Kong as well. Maybe Singapore too due to it being a former British colony.Replies: @Wokechoke
Are you really going to play Panglossian over Iraq?
Stfu Jewboy
Bonus -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMMvA-XEj80Replies: @John Johnson
Scott Ritter said the offensive was over 2 weeks ago so I guess there won’t be much more to talk about.
Russian forces in Mariupol drawing up contingency plans for withdrawal — National Resistance Center
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-mariupol-drawing-contingency-154000671.html
Well that’s clearly impossible since Scott Ritter is a reliable source and a true patriot for Russia. I await his next bi-monthly report on how Ukraine is about to be destroyed in a week or two.
Scorched earth?
Still waiting for those "luxury condos" to go up for sale in Mariupol? How's the progress going Mr. Beckow?Replies: @Beckow
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-mariupol-drawing-contingency-154000671.htmlWell that's clearly impossible since Scott Ritter is a reliable source and a true patriot for Russia. I await his next bi-monthly report on how Ukraine is about to be destroyed in a week or two.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack
Bait?
Scorched earth?
Further expansion of the NATO infrastructure and the beginning of military development in Ukraine's territories are unacceptable for us. Finland added more NATO border to Russia than Ukraine. You have abandoned Western logic you think this is anything less than a failed goal for Putin.
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c7316b7a6f6ee60e2766118db4108927?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1080&cropW=1620&xPos=150&yPos=0&width=862&height=575How not to prevent the expansion of NATO:
Launch a full scale 1930s style invasion against your neighbor and make non-NATO countries realize that they may need protection from a homicidal dwarfThe fact that Putin didn't issue an ultimatum over NATO says it all. He planned on taking Ukraine and turning it into Russia. He didn't want to exist as a neutral state. He broke his word on making LPR/DPR independent Republics. He is a liar and trying to go out as a conqueror. NATO was the excuse and he doesn't use it anymore. Hitler also used a poor excuse for war "Muh radio attack" but at least admitted to being a warlord that wanted to take your shit.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
The USA unilaterally dropped out of crucially important nuclear arms control treaties with Russia.
The US missile sites in Eastern Europe (interceptor or cruise missile) are obviously aggressive and directed at Russia. The locations are ridiculous for defense against Iran.
They send a message of Western preparedness to attack Russia in a post-MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), “we win, you lose” scenario. The preparation is not meant to be used in an actual strike, but rather to get Russia to capitulate and give up their own missiles. Unfortunately to be credible the attack configuration has to be overwhelmingly strong and the Western commitment to launch a preemptive strike has to be clear. The West has been sending signals that this is true for decades.
This move toward a Western preemptive nuclear strike capability against Russia is straight out of Dr. Strangelove as championed by General Buck Turgidson: “Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed…but I can say no more than 10-20 million killed [US citizens]…depending on the breaks.” [assumption is > 200 million Soviet citizens killed].
To paraphrase some other wise person, Dr. Strangelove the movie was not supposed to be an instruction manual.
In a preemptive nuclear attack by the US, any of our particular assets such as submarines, ICBMs or cruise missiles could be partially stopped by Russian defenses. This means we need a lot of extra capability. So bases in Romania and Poland are simply the first steps of pushing both missile interceptors and intermediate range missiles as close to Russia as possible. It is simple creep. Start in these countries, add one or two bases every five years and Russia is gradually surrounded.
This is a new Cold War and MAD doomsday scenario the USA has been pushing since the fall of the USSR. Apparently in the eyes of Western Dr. Strangelove/Merkwurdigliebe-types we are in a post-MAD world where the West can actually force Russia to surrender by nuclear brinksmanship.
This is evil, insane, magical and angry thinking which must be stopped.
Further expansion of the NATO infrastructure and the beginning of military development in Ukraine's territories are unacceptable for us. Finland added more NATO border to Russia than Ukraine. You have abandoned Western logic you think this is anything less than a failed goal for Putin.
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c7316b7a6f6ee60e2766118db4108927?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1080&cropW=1620&xPos=150&yPos=0&width=862&height=575How not to prevent the expansion of NATO:
Launch a full scale 1930s style invasion against your neighbor and make non-NATO countries realize that they may need protection from a homicidal dwarfThe fact that Putin didn't issue an ultimatum over NATO says it all. He planned on taking Ukraine and turning it into Russia. He didn't want to exist as a neutral state. He broke his word on making LPR/DPR independent Republics. He is a liar and trying to go out as a conqueror. NATO was the excuse and he doesn't use it anymore. Hitler also used a poor excuse for war "Muh radio attack" but at least admitted to being a warlord that wanted to take your shit.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
The US did trust the USSR’s word that it would not seek to place its nuclear missiles back in Cuba after removing them. Ditto for the USSR trusting the US’s word about not placing the US’s nuclear missiles in Turkey again after removing them. (Though, interestingly enough, the US does have some nuclear missiles in Turkey right now. When exactly were they put back there?)
I like that old expression: in the Forties, there is no law; in the Fifties, no God.Replies: @QCIC
Torchships don’t care.
Part of me wants to say the doldrums, but, thinking about it, I am not so sure. Maybe, one would want a place with a lot of wind and rain, to clean up a small release.
Stfu JewboyReplies: @Mr. XYZ
Well, removing Saddam Hussein back in 1991 would have probably been better since it would have meant that a lot of Shi’ites would not have subsequently been slaughtered by Saddam Hussein. But there could have been unintended consequences of this: For instance, what if this would have resulted in more Soviet support for a hardline response during the August coup in 1991, thus allowing this coup to succeed and for the Soviet Union to survive?
Ultimately, I leave it up to the Iraqi people themselves to decide whether removing Saddam Hussein was actually worth the cost. Open borders between Iraq and the West or even between Iraq and Turkey likely weren’t feasible, unlike with open borders between Russia and Ukraine (at least from the Russian side).
And BTW, most Jews unfortunately do not accept me as Jewish since I only have a Jewish paternal grandfather (though I was essentially raised Jewish until I moved to the US at the age of 8 years and 8 months). Some right-wing Israelis don’t actually want more people such as myself to be Israeli citizens by seeking to repeal the Grandchild Clause of Israel’s Law of Return. I sincerely hope that they will fail in this endeavor, but this just shows that my own views towards the Jewish community are rather ambivalent. I mean, I support Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism for their egalitarianism, but I dislike them for their Wokeness. And the Jewish movements who aren’t Woke also aren’t very fond or tolerant of people such as myself.
There should be any ethnolinguistic or ancestral restrictions on Jewishness. Just claiming it as an identity should be enough.
For instance, right now I feel very Jewish, along with some other identities. As such I should not be denied entrance to Israel or a job once I get there (if offered) should I take a flight there right now. They have no moral right to do so.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
With friends like these you don't need any enemies.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikhail, @sudden death
Obsession by some with this photo is quite indicative for severe nothingburger appetite as it was just a split moment pic where Zelensky’s wife in blue dress is being greeted by other woman when Macron is also standing “isolated all alone” as well.
Anyway, here’s military development update by Strelkov about events that do matter:
https://t.me/strelkovii/6038
OK. Thank you very much for this information!Replies: @sudden death
The Ukrainian offensive ends in early August. The Russian offensive begins in early September. Russia retakes Kharkov in early 2024. That is my current prognosis
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/07/why-nato-wont-back-automatic-membership-for-ukraine/
The harsh truth is that there is no viable path to a military victory for Ukraine, now or in the foreseeable future, regardless of how many planes, tanks, and missiles the West may contribute.
With all the current whining about lack of rotations in RF army and without new mass mobilization, hardly there is a potential to do long protracted succesfull offensives at the worst imaginable wet weather conditions, which will begin in October. Unless it will be rested Wagner thrown in the mix again, which will try to do some quickie landgrabs around Donbas in one month or two for the sake of good feelz while finishing yearly campaign.
If you think these cluster bombs are bad, wait until your food is full of cesium, strontium, iodine and other nasty radioactive ingredients.
The cluster bomb story is just noise. I think the West started agitating over Soviet cluster weapons in Afghanistan in the way back. This probably led to the international ban which the USA and USSR decided to ignore. The topic got a little more airplay with regard to Israel when people pointed out the IDF uses cluster bombs and white phosphorus on the dastardly anti-Semites.
I think any military with nuclear weapons doesn't give a hoot about cluster bombs. This media agitation is just part of the rhetoric to sway the public one way or another as part of the continual jerking around process.
The specific problem with cluster bombs, mines and unexploded ordnance (UXO) is the killing keeps going after the war, often taking out little kids and farmers. The kids are susceptible to the cluster munitions since the bomblets look kind of quirky. I think the claim was the Soviets actually made these cute to take out children in Afghanistan but I don't know if that was true. Sounds like an incubator story.
The USA is sending these old artillery shells over to make a buck and get rid of them. If Russia starts to care they will blow up the point of entry of this ammunition into Ukraine.
Didn't the Ukrainians use a cluster warhead in the Tochka missile attack on their own commuters last year (the train station attack)?Replies: @Wokechoke
Strictly speaking the Ukie use of cluster bombs only makes farming and child rearing a little more difficult in the old war zone.
Russia doesn’t need to do attacks right now either so the main military use fora CBU dropping them on offensive troop concentrations doesn’t do much good.
Unless the UKies are expecting a general Russian assault again.
Silo also sounds like a term of art.
Israel did well from having the US remove Saddam.
There’s an obvious resolution to this that’s quite clear to those not blinded by Far Right identitarian thought patterns.
There should be any ethnolinguistic or ancestral restrictions on Jewishness. Just claiming it as an identity should be enough.
For instance, right now I feel very Jewish, along with some other identities. As such I should not be denied entrance to Israel or a job once I get there (if offered) should I take a flight there right now. They have no moral right to do so.
Big question is what is the best place for experimental nuclear reactors.
Part of me wants to say the doldrums, but, thinking about it, I am not so sure. Maybe, one would want a place with a lot of wind and rain, to clean up a small release.
What was thrown his way in Feb 2022 was more than he knew to expect; he clearly thought Russia would not dare. Israel is not in any kind of meaningful war and Iran, its only remaining enemy is helpless in the face of the Jewish state's military superiority while Ukraine is going toe to toe with Russia, a more powerful state with a formidable capacity to further mobilise, which seems intent on using to the very last extremity if necessary, and a cult of nationality based on military triumph despite serious losses. Is Ukraine's anti 'Rucist' elegy being as favorably received in the Eurovision Song Contest as an Israeli transsexuals warbling previously was the status to which you allude? In the begining Russia was awfull slow to react and terrible ponderous; there were a series of makeshifts to reverses and shortages that threatened to overwhelm the Kremlin and their field commanders, but we are past finger in the dyke time for Russia in Ukraine. Like a living thing a country that can draw on resources such as Russia can rebuild itself and stronger-- if you give it time. The days of extraordinary victories are over it are past because it has been given the time through failure to swiftly crush--not merely drive back--the professional core of the Russian army that went into the lion's den when it tried to take Kievwas a failure to take a golden oppertunity. Zelensky's unjustified conviction that Putin was sabre rattling meant that Kiev was unable to properly prepare to inflict a complete defeat in detail of the force that descended on it and so the Russians were able to withdraw in relatively good order. Russia will experience no dearth of generals because those dismissed in the current purge of those who have been guilty of unsoldierly bitching (I suspect Popov is being dismissed retroactively for an old memo that appears in a different light after the Wagner mutiny), instead of getting on with it will be immediately though temporarily replaced by their deputies, as Surovikin seems to have been, and then other officers will be receiving a promotion into any vacancy once they have been vetted for absolute political reliability.
The Russian Lieutenant General who was killed the other day had already been severely wounded in the HIMARS attacks of last year. The command hubs had been moved back and hardened but in addition to its range Storm Shadow has a two stage warhead for defeating such bunkers. The officers being promoted to fill such battlefield command vacancies as Western missiles are endlessly (Britain has hundreds of Storm Shadows it might spare) creating will have a very real motive to--in cognitive dissonance--approve terminating the war by theatre thermonuclear use, ostensibly to save Russia. Posing a duration-of-the-hostilities ongoing threat to the life of the very individuals who Putin will may one day consult about whether in the view of the military expert professionals, Russia ought to step out of the conventional warfare realm and on to the tactical nuclear ladder of escalation to end the war. Hmmm ...Replies: @Mr. Hack
You and Putler up in a tree, b-u-r-n-i-n-g.
The woman in the blue dress is the little dick sucker’s wife?
OK. Thank you very much for this information!
Putler waiting for his samovar polishing boy, Mike Averko, to join him for a special treat of soaking in the same bathtub with him. “Like a father, like a son.”
There should be any ethnolinguistic or ancestral restrictions on Jewishness. Just claiming it as an identity should be enough.
For instance, right now I feel very Jewish, along with some other identities. As such I should not be denied entrance to Israel or a job once I get there (if offered) should I take a flight there right now. They have no moral right to do so.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
I thought that you were staying put?
Kathleen Kennedy’s creative accounting would probably come in handy in making some of these Steven Seagal movies.
The harsh truth is that there is no viable path to a military victory for Ukraine, now or in the foreseeable future, regardless of how many planes, tanks, and missiles the West may contribute.Replies: @John Johnson
The harsh truth is that there is no viable path to a military victory for Ukraine, now or in the foreseeable future, regardless of how many planes, tanks, and missiles the West may contribute.
That’s not a truth. It’s an opinion.
When the war started it was a common opinion that Kiev wouldn’t last 2 weeks.
The author is retired military but doesn’t understand the basics of NATO. It isn’t a hierarchy where the US or Britain is in charge and can overrule everyone else.
The rules are clear in that you can’t apply for membership unless you have a static border.
There is no invitation path that can circumvent the rules.
Anyone shocked by the results of the NATO meeting hasn’t been paying attention. NATO rules are clear and make sense. They’re not going to let someone in that is involved in a war with Russia. It’s a defensive alliance that activates when attacked. You can’t join if you are already being attacked or have an unresolved border which was true before the war.
Having LPR/DPR in unresolved status actually would have kept Ukraine out of NATO indefinitely. Ironically the war could push Ukraine closer to qualifying. Before the war both France and Germany opposed their entrance even if the border was resolved. France in fact could still throw a spoiler vote.
I don't really have much to argue with you about the insanity of Putin's actions. We're basically in agreement there, I think. As for the Ukrainians' actions, you seem to suffer some sort of mental glitch when someone criticizes them and start seeing commie agents so let's leave that aside as well.
However, I'd find it interesting to know what you think about the US military actions of the past decades, especially Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. Do you think that they were justified? Do you feel like they were worth it and the world is a better place after them?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/20/france-ukraine-nato-membership-russia-war-negotiation/
The US and Germany still appear to be holding out, at least until the end of the war (which I agree with).
FWIW, I would personally be satisfied with Anatoly Karlin's compromise of UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO and (long-term) EU membership. Though I would think that there would need to be the option of holding repeat plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass every couple of/several decades if enough of their population will demand to do so via petition. But even without this, this would still seem like a decent deal for Ukraine. But I don't think that Ukraine will accept or that Russia will offer such a deal.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson
The fact they didn't try to do this suggests they have learned the error of their ways in Ukraine. Otherwise they have some nasty trick up their sleeve.
Japan actually had a eugenics law until 1996. (Though seems like it was pretty marginal).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_Japan
As for a path to victory there certainly is one:
1. Ukraine offensive causes a rout
2. Ukraine punches through the lines and embarrasses Russia
3. Russian public stops believing in Putin
4. Putin flees or is removed by coup
5. New Russian government negotiates a peace agreement
Note that I am not saying this will happen. I am pointing out what is possible.
The Russian public still believes Putin is playing 5d chess. Undermining that belief should be the main goal. Encourage demoralization and dissention behind the lines. Further reduce the quality of available conscripts. What they need is a Vietnam type situation where Russian men start turning against the state. Dictatorships are better undermined through their own people.
Further expansion of the NATO infrastructure and the beginning of military development in Ukraine's territories are unacceptable for us. Finland added more NATO border to Russia than Ukraine. You have abandoned Western logic you think this is anything less than a failed goal for Putin.
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c7316b7a6f6ee60e2766118db4108927?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1080&cropW=1620&xPos=150&yPos=0&width=862&height=575How not to prevent the expansion of NATO:
Launch a full scale 1930s style invasion against your neighbor and make non-NATO countries realize that they may need protection from a homicidal dwarfThe fact that Putin didn't issue an ultimatum over NATO says it all. He planned on taking Ukraine and turning it into Russia. He didn't want to exist as a neutral state. He broke his word on making LPR/DPR independent Republics. He is a liar and trying to go out as a conqueror. NATO was the excuse and he doesn't use it anymore. Hitler also used a poor excuse for war "Muh radio attack" but at least admitted to being a warlord that wanted to take your shit.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow
You take it too personally, this is not about us. You may also be semi-retarded from some of your more shallow comments – “Russia breake its word!!! the horror!!!“. Right, like the West has kept its verbal commitments. It makes you look unhinged and unable to evaluate the situation objectively: if X does something and Y does the same thing – it is the same thing. And “Hitler” has nothing to do with it – unless you are retarded and see Hitler behind every bush.
If what you say about MAD is the only factor then why did US object to Soviets putting missiles in Cuba? If MAD is sufficient, 5 minutes or 30 minutes is all the same, then why was that an issue. Can Russia simply now out its missiles in Cuba and claim that they are ‘non-nuclear’, who would know for sure.
US didn’t believe that Russian missiles in Cuba were ‘non-nuclear’ and Russia doesn’t believe Nato missiles in Ukraine (or Poland) would always be non-nuclear. It is literally the same thing. Only an idiot would deny it.
You failed to answer the main question: is there any other conceivable other reason why US would drop out if ABM, place missiles in Poland-Romania, and try to expand to Ukraine than to use it against Russia?
And don’t embarrass yourself by “against North Korea”, only a fool would say that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Putin_decree_LNR_(2022-02-21).pdfAre you going to deny the validity of that decree? It's not my fault that you have to defend a constantly lying homicidal dwarf that started this war by attacking civilian areas with cruise missiles. Seems like a fool's burden. He clearly doesn't value his own defenders as seen by his betrayal of LPR/DPR separatists. Igor Girkin, former DPR leader thinks Putin is a war dunce that should be replaced. And “Hitler” has nothing to do with it – unless you are retarded and see Hitler behind every bush.I never said Hitler caused the current situation. I pointed out that Hitler started a war based on a false flag event but never hid his intentions of taking lebensraum. On some level he had a vulgar honesty that Putin does not possesses. Putin is the KGB weasel that tries to depict himself as the victim of NATO while launching crude Iranian 2 stroke drones at civilian areas. A little boy in an old man's body that can't simply get in front of a microphone and state the truth which is that he wants to conquer his neighbor. Hitler was evil but could at least man up and declare his intentions of war. Putin has small man's syndrome and won't even go in public without his shoe lifts. A fake man unless you believe he had a growth spurt of 4 inches in his 60s. If what you say about MAD is the only factor then why did US object to Soviets putting missiles in Cuba? If MAD is sufficient, 5 minutes or 30 minutes is all the sameSo like other Putin defenders you also can't explain how there would be a strategic advantage of putting nuclear missiles in Ukraine. Nor have you explained why they aren't in the Baltics given that they are closer to a major population center. Switching to an event from the 60s isn't an explanation. Everyone dies in a nuclear exchange. Period. If you want to argue based on a non-strategic basis then go ahead. But you'll be confirming that you don't have an explanation. Have a look at NATO for yourself:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/NATO_31_Members.png/640px-NATO_31_Members.pngThe Baltics are actually closer to a major population center. You failed to answer the main question: is there any other conceivable other reason why US would drop out if ABM, place missiles in Poland-Romania, and try to expand to Ukraine than to use it against Russia?The ABM theory is a pet theory here and was never cited by Putin in any of his speeches. I don't have to explain why the US dropped out of the ABM. I never even stated that I supported that move. GWB gave his reasons and Putin has shown his own interest in developing new weapons. I'm going to guess that if I dig in QCIC's history he wasn't talking about the ABM when this war started. All these excuses only started flowing after Russia was pushed out of Kiev. Putin has changed his reason for the war at least 4 times (NATO, Nazis, Donbas, protecting civilization) with no mention of the ABM. I can provide his speeches if you would like. This isn't Russian TV where they don't maintain a history of his bullshit. NATO was not trying to expand into Ukraine before the war. Ukraine didn't qualify then and they don't qualify now. France and Germany were opposed. NATO has defensive missiles in Poland that are designed to take down a rogue missile. Why aren't they in the Baltics if proximity to Russia is everything? A simple question that Putin's defenders have been unable to answer.Replies: @Beckow
This blog will possibly not die when Ron forgets about it. It will rather die when none of us (not even my good old friend Islamo123) can muster the energy to remind him that it needs a refresh.
John,
I don’t really have much to argue with you about the insanity of Putin’s actions. We’re basically in agreement there, I think. As for the Ukrainians’ actions, you seem to suffer some sort of mental glitch when someone criticizes them and start seeing commie agents so let’s leave that aside as well.
However, I’d find it interesting to know what you think about the US military actions of the past decades, especially Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. Do you think that they were justified? Do you feel like they were worth it and the world is a better place after them?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-mariupol-drawing-contingency-154000671.htmlWell that's clearly impossible since Scott Ritter is a reliable source and a true patriot for Russia. I await his next bi-monthly report on how Ukraine is about to be destroyed in a week or two.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack
Any idea what the Orcs are planning to do with the newest enclave of high brow “condos in the garden city by the sea” that Beckow has been heavily promoting? I can’t seem to locate any photos of this development, and feel that Beckow might be trying to pull a fast one on me? I’ve requested that he send me a brochure once the first few models have been completed and the sales process is to begin. So far, not a peep out of this normally talkative boy? No photos of the development in the piece that you’ve sighted either?
Still waiting for those “luxury condos” to go up for sale in Mariupol? How’s the progress going Mr. Beckow?
That’s the filtered with most of the immigrants in Israel.
More of the educated Moroccan Jews immigrated to France or Canada. While more of the peasants/working class Moroccan are in Israel.
Most of the Israelis are descendants of the third/second world immigrants. But the more educated of those immigrant groups are going to the Western countries.
As result, Israel has a majority of those working class/lower middle class kind of people. Majority of the people and atmosphere of the country becomes more working class or redneck than you would expect relative for its high income level.
Culture of the Russian-speakers in Israel is more like a very provincial and lower-middle class city in the postsoviet space.
While nuclear power? It’s very slow, the real cost (including waste disposal, risk management etc) a lot more expensive than wind or solar without the storage and it’s potentially very dangerous and less sustainable.
The issue with wind and solar is just natural variability which adds cost also of the storage. But price of batteries is still falling radpily
Your conclusion is correct, but not the reason. You don’t own petrol supply (unless you own the land where there is oil in California), so you don’t own your ICE vehicle?
Reason you more don’t own the car than in past years, is because cars become more dependent on the software which is owned by the manufacturer. Tesla is similar to an iPhone which the company can convert to brick when it wants.
Tesla hype was based a lot in their software dependences, in this the car can seem more like netflix subscription than owning of a DVD.
Tesla is very proprietary as well, you can’t fix many parts without manufacturer. With Gigacasting any damage for the chassis would require a new total chassis.
You know, in the third world or places like Cuba where there is an embargo for trading, the local mechanics continue the old cars for 60 years or more. I’m not sure you would be able to with current generations of cars.
Remember there is also multiple more energy efficiency in the conversion of the chemical energy to the kinetic energy in the power plant, in comparison than in a mobile car engine, so there is lower energy consumption overall with an EV.
On the other hand, there are things like average higher weight of EVs which a bit reduce this energy efficiency advantage. Higher weight of EVs could also add to problems in terms of greater injury in auto accidents.
Also remember there are countries with high levels of renewables in their electricity generation. In Norway, there is almost complete hydropower generation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Norway
Ireland and Great Britain have fast increase in use of the wind energy for electricity generation.
Denmark already has a majority of renewable energy island in Bornholm, although not completely successful.
Czech Republic is a very developed region of Central Europe, Holy Roman Empire and Hapsburg Empire.
But in terms of the political history of second half of the 20th century, they were in this half of Europe which was controlled by Moscow after 1945. So, it can be “Eastern Europe” in some categorization.
I guess also, Czech Republic and Slovenia are the first developed slavic-speaking country. So, like Singapore and Japan, it is proof of concept against the historical view only aryan countries could be a developed country.
Slovenia is not Eastern Europe even in the politics, it was part of Yugoslavia, in border with the Balkans. But maybe it is interesting, as a former communist zone and slavic-speaking country.
I’m not sure how to categorize Estonia. It’s more like Scandinavia now, but just a few years ago this is part of the Soviet Union/Russian empire. So, at least Estonia is very Eastern Europe in the political history.
Ministry: Ukraine needs additional 4.5 million workers for next 10 years.
Called it.
Those would probably not be real views. They unlikely to be comparable with the real views counted by YouTube. They are more like “impressions”, as everytime a device loads a page with that content on the infinite scroll it would probably include a “view” of those autoplay videos.
It’s also likely a large part of those “views” counted are bots, depending how strictly Twitter is doing analytics. That’s one of Musk’s attempts to avoid buying Twitter, after he had bought Twitter. One component of Twitter’s price, was having “over 300 million active users”. But the majority of the active users on Twitter were bots.
I think a lot of the Twitter users already switched to Threads. For example, Bezos already switched completely. https://www.threads.net/@jeffbezos
Although Threads already became saturated in the first week so growth of the new users is slowing, this could be majority of Twitter’s developed world’s non-EU phone-only market already goes to Threads.
https://www.quiverquant.com/threadstracker/
A question, will politicians or journalists also switch. Or will Threads allow Twitter to still have this market for news and politics? Because one of the popular markets for Twitter, was actually journalists.
It’s possibly one of the reasons, journalism was more stupid in the last decade. Because the journalists were previously more educated people, with higher culture level. New York Times was for people who are sitting in the opera and not addicted to social media.
But in the last decade, journalists were using their time to one of the world’s most stupid social media websites, many perhaps developed attention deficiency disorder partly because of this.
New York Times is in the gutter with Daily Mail now.Replies: @Dmitry
You take it too personally, this is not about us. You may also be semi-retarded from some of your more shallow comments – “Russia breake its word!!! the horror!!!“.
Another Putin defender that doesn’t actually quote me directly. A pathetic pattern.
Putin has broken his word numerous times. He decreed in writing that LPR/DPR would be independent Republics and then he took them as Russian territory after being pushed out of Kiev. He only imagined them being independent with Russia taking Western Ukraine.
This is in fact the document that he signed and then broke within months:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Putin_decree_LNR_(2022-02-21).pdf
Are you going to deny the validity of that decree?
It’s not my fault that you have to defend a constantly lying homicidal dwarf that started this war by attacking civilian areas with cruise missiles. Seems like a fool’s burden. He clearly doesn’t value his own defenders as seen by his betrayal of LPR/DPR separatists. Igor Girkin, former DPR leader thinks Putin is a war dunce that should be replaced.
And “Hitler” has nothing to do with it – unless you are retarded and see Hitler behind every bush.
I never said Hitler caused the current situation. I pointed out that Hitler started a war based on a false flag event but never hid his intentions of taking lebensraum. On some level he had a vulgar honesty that Putin does not possesses. Putin is the KGB weasel that tries to depict himself as the victim of NATO while launching crude Iranian 2 stroke drones at civilian areas. A little boy in an old man’s body that can’t simply get in front of a microphone and state the truth which is that he wants to conquer his neighbor. Hitler was evil but could at least man up and declare his intentions of war. Putin has small man’s syndrome and won’t even go in public without his shoe lifts. A fake man unless you believe he had a growth spurt of 4 inches in his 60s.
If what you say about MAD is the only factor then why did US object to Soviets putting missiles in Cuba? If MAD is sufficient, 5 minutes or 30 minutes is all the same
So like other Putin defenders you also can’t explain how there would be a strategic advantage of putting nuclear missiles in Ukraine. Nor have you explained why they aren’t in the Baltics given that they are closer to a major population center. Switching to an event from the 60s isn’t an explanation. Everyone dies in a nuclear exchange. Period.
If you want to argue based on a non-strategic basis then go ahead. But you’ll be confirming that you don’t have an explanation.
Have a look at NATO for yourself:
The Baltics are actually closer to a major population center.
You failed to answer the main question: is there any other conceivable other reason why US would drop out if ABM, place missiles in Poland-Romania, and try to expand to Ukraine than to use it against Russia?
The ABM theory is a pet theory here and was never cited by Putin in any of his speeches. I don’t have to explain why the US dropped out of the ABM. I never even stated that I supported that move. GWB gave his reasons and Putin has shown his own interest in developing new weapons.
I’m going to guess that if I dig in QCIC’s history he wasn’t talking about the ABM when this war started. All these excuses only started flowing after Russia was pushed out of Kiev. Putin has changed his reason for the war at least 4 times (NATO, Nazis, Donbas, protecting civilization) with no mention of the ABM. I can provide his speeches if you would like. This isn’t Russian TV where they don’t maintain a history of his bullshit.
NATO was not trying to expand into Ukraine before the war. Ukraine didn’t qualify then and they don’t qualify now. France and Germany were opposed. NATO has defensive missiles in Poland that are designed to take down a rogue missile. Why aren’t they in the Baltics if proximity to Russia is everything? A simple question that Putin’s defenders have been unable to answer.
One more time: do you have an alternative reason why would US leave the ABM Treaty, place missiles in Poland and declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008? What could that reason be? If you don't have an answer just admit it.Replies: @John Johnson
https://www.quiverquant.com/threadstracker/A question, will politicians or journalists also switch. Or will Threads allow Twitter to still have this market for news and politics? Because one of the popular markets for Twitter, was actually journalists.
It's possibly one of the reasons, journalism was more stupid in the last decade. Because the journalists were previously more educated people, with higher culture level. New York Times was for people who are sitting in the opera and not addicted to social media. But in the last decade, journalists were using their time to one of the world's most stupid social media websites, many perhaps developed attention deficiency disorder partly because of this.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Did you see the bit about no Threads in EU because it isn’t privacy-compliant?
That was two singularities ago Bucko!
New York Times is in the gutter with Daily Mail now.
In relation to Threads' compliance, it's because they released it early, maybe inspired with the Zuck vs Musk cagefight marketing. It's released before many of the features are developed. They didn't have time to do the compliance with a higher quality of the EU regulations.If they have some more time now betatesting on the American consumers, have successful results, they surely will release the compliant version in the EU. If they more depend from the online advertising, then all media will become clickbait. Media can be higher quality only if they still have people paying money, especially for the print version. If people don't pay for the media content, then the quality will decline as it has alternative income as the content just becomes clickbait and advertising. One reason media was higher quality when the income was from the print version, instead of the internet version, it didn't just respond to the clicks and views. But it's also likely using social media like Twitter has damaged the attention and intelligence of many of the journalists. Many journalists were using Twitter, which would be a kind of toxic hazard of their working ecology, like traffic pollution for bus drivers or asbestos for miners.
There should be any ethnolinguistic or ancestral restrictions on Jewishness. Just claiming it as an identity should be enough.
For instance, right now I feel very Jewish, along with some other identities. As such I should not be denied entrance to Israel or a job once I get there (if offered) should I take a flight there right now. They have no moral right to do so.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
I think that the fairest solution to this would be to require everyone, of Jewish descent or not, to either be raised Jewish or undergo a conversion to Judaism before they would actually be considered Jewish. Similar to the criteria for becoming a lawyer. No special treatment for anyone based on one’s ancestry. And no ancestry differentiation between maternal and paternal lines. (I think that US Reform Judaism actually does officially have such criteria for being considered Jewish, though they might not always enforce the “raised Jewish” requirement if one didn’t actually convert but is of Jewish descent on any ancestral line.) I might be considered Jewish by such criteria since I was raised Jewish until age 8, when I moved to the US (and even then, I didn’t so much stop being raised Jewish so much as simply have Judaism and Jewish traditions become less relevant in my life). But maybe that’s not enough since I never actually had a bar mitzvah, though I did have a brit milah (in Israel, as an infant) with a rabbi attending and with my entire extended family being there, travelling for a couple of hours so that they could be there.
https://www.cardozoacademy.org/thoughtstoponder/solving-conversion-crisis-birth-non-jewish-jewish-communities-another-approach/
He even appears to have advocated giving Israeli state recognition to these "non-Jewish Jewish communities" in order to facilitate trust and solidarity between them and the Israeli state/government.
As a side note, it's highly regrettable that Israeli Reform Judaism is unwilling to follow in the footsteps of its US counterpart and embrace both bilinear descent for passing on Jewish status and intermarriage (at least when the subsequent kids are raised Jewish). Israeli Reform Judaism could possibly experience significant demographic growth with "non-Jewish Jews" if it was willing to accept them as they are, without requiring them to convert to Judaism. ("Non-Jewish Jews" who grew up in Israel were likely more-or-less raised Jewish, thus arguably meaning that there should be no need for them to convert to Judaism.)
Also, as a side note, even Israeli left-wing Jews are not fully tolerant. While they are more supportive of allowing people with a Jewish grandfather to immigrate to Israel, a lot of them still nevertheless stick to more traditional criteria for Who is a Jew?:
https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-717589
Even half of *secular* Israeli Jews only recognize matrilineal descent when passing on Jewish status to one's descendants, unlike with secular US Jews. Israeli Jews really need a culture shift in regards to this. Matrilineal descent implies that women are better than men, after all, as well as that women with wombs and/or ovaries are better than women without wombs and/or ovaries.
Yes, because Saddam was funding the lifestyles of families of Palestinian terrorists as a reward for these terrorists themselves launching attacks against Israel. This made things such as Israeli house demolitions of Palestinian terrorists’ families less effective before Saddam got overthrown because before Saddam’s overthrow, these families could still get a lot of money from Saddam to compensate for this.
France actually appears to support Ukrainian NATO membership right now:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/20/france-ukraine-nato-membership-russia-war-negotiation/
The US and Germany still appear to be holding out, at least until the end of the war (which I agree with).
FWIW, I would personally be satisfied with Anatoly Karlin’s compromise of UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO and (long-term) EU membership. Though I would think that there would need to be the option of holding repeat plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass every couple of/several decades if enough of their population will demand to do so via petition. But even without this, this would still seem like a decent deal for Ukraine. But I don’t think that Ukraine will accept or that Russia will offer such a deal.
1. The war ends and borders are agreed upon with Russia
2. Ukraine changes their military system
3. Ukraine passes a referendum whereby the people vote to join
4. Ukraine appliesThat could take over a decade and Ukraine might stay out as part of a compromise with Russia. By the time the vote occurs a member like France or Turkey could change their mind in the final vote. FWIW, I would personally be satisfied with Anatoly Karlin’s compromise of UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO and (long-term) EU membership. You are saying let Crimea and Donbas vote for their side? Won't work because ethnic Ukrainians have already been chased out of both areas. Russia would also move in stooges before the election. DPR/LPR already took in Russians as part of Putin's plan to push out Ukrainians. The other problem is that Donbas is more than land with people. It's also the location of Ukraine's coal and power plants. They would be handing Putin not only Donbas but a check for billions. Seems unfair when Putin invaded and has caused untold billions in damage. An independent Crimea would work if there was another minority to balance out the Russians. Otherwise any democracy would just be taken over by Russian agents. Moving a million Syrians there would do it. I think the compromise should be to keep Ukraine out of NATO and also Finland. Let Putin act like he won based on his original speech. The Russian people are serfs and will go along with it. Toss DPR/LPR a special oblast status. Most of the militia men are dead anyways so there won't be any resistance. There are intercepts where Russian regulars laugh about sending them to the front.I actually don't believe that Ukraine needs NATO and should use that to let Putin walk away. The next gen Western toys will be devastating. Even within 10 years there will be drone swarms that can obliterate a conventional invasion. Ukraine also plans on passing Israeli type gun laws where citizens can borrow an AK if they need one. A second invasion isn't going to happen. This was Russia's last chance at taking Ukraine by conventional force.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
OK. Thank you very much for this information!Replies: @sudden death
One more picture of complete isolation during NATO summit for your pleasure, poor Macron silent&lonely in the back once again;)

Who’s the tall guy picking his nose? 🙂
As a side note, even one Israeli Open Orthodox rabbi has advocated the creation of “non-Jewish Jewish communities” where people who are of Jewish descent but aren’t halakhically Jewish can interpret and reinterpret Jewish law however they see fit and practice Judaism in their own way if they are unwilling to convert to conventional Judaism:
https://www.cardozoacademy.org/thoughtstoponder/solving-conversion-crisis-birth-non-jewish-jewish-communities-another-approach/
He even appears to have advocated giving Israeli state recognition to these “non-Jewish Jewish communities” in order to facilitate trust and solidarity between them and the Israeli state/government.
As a side note, it’s highly regrettable that Israeli Reform Judaism is unwilling to follow in the footsteps of its US counterpart and embrace both bilinear descent for passing on Jewish status and intermarriage (at least when the subsequent kids are raised Jewish). Israeli Reform Judaism could possibly experience significant demographic growth with “non-Jewish Jews” if it was willing to accept them as they are, without requiring them to convert to Judaism. (“Non-Jewish Jews” who grew up in Israel were likely more-or-less raised Jewish, thus arguably meaning that there should be no need for them to convert to Judaism.)
Also, as a side note, even Israeli left-wing Jews are not fully tolerant. While they are more supportive of allowing people with a Jewish grandfather to immigrate to Israel, a lot of them still nevertheless stick to more traditional criteria for Who is a Jew?:
https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-717589
Even half of *secular* Israeli Jews only recognize matrilineal descent when passing on Jewish status to one’s descendants, unlike with secular US Jews. Israeli Jews really need a culture shift in regards to this. Matrilineal descent implies that women are better than men, after all, as well as that women with wombs and/or ovaries are better than women without wombs and/or ovaries.
I want this guy, who is trying to run the length of Africa, to be be a Tinker, but I don’t think he is one.
He was robbed in Angola and is having visa trouble.
These swine could change the ‘rules’ in a heartbeat if they wanted to. In the USA we call a similar process “Executive Orders” or something similar.
The fact they didn’t try to do this suggests they have learned the error of their ways in Ukraine. Otherwise they have some nasty trick up their sleeve.
It’s always casual Friday somewhere.
He is expressing solidarity with the filthy rabble (probably you and certainly me) in the tradition of Mao Tse Tung and Fidel Castro.Replies: @QCIC
You are right that these heinous weapons may in the long run serve to give the survivors a better and more just life than they would have without them but I don't think I framed my question in any elaborate way to arrive at pre-ordained conclusions. This is what war is about, whether you are the aggressor or the defender, and the problem is rather that this kind of discussion is not held often and clear enough, if at all.
Cluster bombs do kill innocent people, often children. Someone using them or sending them to a far-away country to be used by someone else are making the conscious decision of causing an unknown number of innocent victims in the future and, as we saw the other day, they need to lie (perhaps to themselves as well) in order to make their decision look justified. Something's got to be wrong when people need to live in a lie.
I fear that with all my moralizing, which hardly no one else here looks too interested in, I may come across as a busybody too interested in judging what people far away from me do. But in fact I respect the very different decisions that Ukrainians are taking in this war. I have a lot of respect for those who have the courage to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country and also for those who just want to leave the mayhem and pay their way to safety for themselves and their families. You must have met some of the latter, as I have myself.
I fear that the people still living in Ukraine may face a terrible future that is being designed for them by outside forces. The Russians proved incapable of defeating Ukraine even when the help from the West had barely begun to arrive. But this may turn out to be worse for most ordinary civilians than a quick defeat would have been. The West has decided that Russia cannot be allowed to win and will pour as much military assistance as necessary to prevent that outcome. But how long is it going to take? With this new Ukrainian counteroffensive stalled, I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Even in the absence of any fatal escalation, we may be looking at many years of suffering.
I don't know how good or bad a Republican victory in the Spanish Civil War would have been for the Basque Country but the Nationalist victory was certainly tragic. All autonomic institutions were abolished, many of my co-ethnics were executed, exiled and tortured and Basque language and identity was prosecuted for decades. But I feel lucky that the war finally came to an end, regardless of who the victors were. I may not have even been born if someone from outside would have kept the war going on indefinitely, regardless of how much suffering to civilians this caused. When I was born Basque language was rather tolerated again but people would still be arrested and tortured if they were found carrying a Basque flag symbol in their possession (the hated "separatist flag"). However, my parents were able to lead a rather comfortable life under all this political oppression and raise quite a happy family. Luckily, Spain never acquired the strategic importance that Ukraine currently has.Replies: @Beckow, @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
The ones who are mostly escaping the very dangerous war in Ukraine are women and their children. Yes, I’ve gotten to know some of these individuals, and feel great pity for these people who were forced to leave their homes and other members of their family. The love and warm interractions that these families exhibit is awesome. I tremor in sadness when I hear about those left behind, as in Kherson, where similar children are still victims of indiscriminate Russian bombing.
I’ve been lucky and not had to personally experience the horrors and disorienting effects that I’m sure war entails. But I don’t think that I could ever make a concessionary statement like this. It would greatly sadden me if the Ukrainian war ended in huge losses for Ukraine. I couldn’t stomach a Russian puppet installed in Kyiv, for all of the blood already shed for a free and independent Ukraine. I can’t understand how anybody could come to this sort of a conclusion, but then again I’ve never experienced war first hand. I don’t think that many on the front lines of the war in Ukraine would come to a conclusion like this either.
As far as I know, not even the diaspora expected Ukrainians to rise up and be in constant warfare against the ruthless Soviets. I guess they were rather hoping that the Ukrainian nation and language would persist and one day become independent. As it happened, Ukrainians were more lucky than my old countrymen. They didn't even need to fight a war for their independence. The Soviet authorities themselves decided to grant them freedom when the USSR project came to an end so those hopes were not misplaced after all.
My own hope is that those people on the front lines are waging war because they see prospects of success, which is not unreasonable at the moment. But those prospects depend on the continuous supply of weapons by outside forces that have proven not to care much for the well being of the population in the countries they foment wars in. Ordinary people in Libya or Syria used to live much better before those same outside forces decided to side with one of the warring parties. They will now have to live in misery or far away from their countries for the indefinite future. Is that what a true patriot wants for his people?Replies: @Mr. XYZ
More of the educated Moroccan Jews immigrated to France or Canada. While more of the peasants/working class Moroccan are in Israel.
Most of the Israelis are descendants of the third/second world immigrants. But the more educated of those immigrant groups are going to the Western countries.
As result, Israel has a majority of those working class/lower middle class kind of people. Majority of the people and atmosphere of the country becomes more working class or redneck than you would expect relative for its high income level.
Culture of the Russian-speakers in Israel is more like a very provincial and lower-middle class city in the postsoviet space. While nuclear power? It's very slow, the real cost (including waste disposal, risk management etc) a lot more expensive than wind or solar without the storage and it's potentially very dangerous and less sustainable.
The issue with wind and solar is just natural variability which adds cost also of the storage. But price of batteries is still falling radpily Your conclusion is correct, but not the reason. You don't own petrol supply (unless you own the land where there is oil in California), so you don't own your ICE vehicle?
Reason you more don't own the car than in past years, is because cars become more dependent on the software which is owned by the manufacturer. Tesla is similar to an iPhone which the company can convert to brick when it wants.
Tesla hype was based a lot in their software dependences, in this the car can seem more like netflix subscription than owning of a DVD.
Tesla is very proprietary as well, you can't fix many parts without manufacturer. With Gigacasting any damage for the chassis would require a new total chassis.
You know, in the third world or places like Cuba where there is an embargo for trading, the local mechanics continue the old cars for 60 years or more. I'm not sure you would be able to with current generations of cars. Remember there is also multiple more energy efficiency in the conversion of the chemical energy to the kinetic energy in the power plant, in comparison than in a mobile car engine, so there is lower energy consumption overall with an EV.
On the other hand, there are things like average higher weight of EVs which a bit reduce this energy efficiency advantage. Higher weight of EVs could also add to problems in terms of greater injury in auto accidents.
Also remember there are countries with high levels of renewables in their electricity generation. In Norway, there is almost complete hydropower generation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Norway
Ireland and Great Britain have fast increase in use of the wind energy for electricity generation.
Denmark already has a majority of renewable energy island in Bornholm, although not completely successful.Replies: @QCIC
If a country has enough hydropower (low population), then electric vehicles (EVs) seem like a good idea.
With solar and wind I believe one needs 5X rated capacity (my personal rule of thumb) to allow for reasonably adequate storage. So it takes 5 GW of solar to replace a 1 GW coal plant. This can be done in some areas but not all. Things will still grind to a halt after 3 or 4 cloudy days. Not everyone wants to be so dependent on good weather.
IIRC most oil is used for transportation. Replacing all of that with natural gas power plants is not very realistic IMO. This will just force us to burn through the gas much faster than predictions. For now cars should run on gasoline, baseload power plants on coal and peaking power plants on natural gas. Anything else is politics and bad science.
Actual efficiency of EVs suffers because the plants on the grid have a range of efficiencies (not all are the latest 60% efficient combined cycle), transmission losses add up and battery charge/discharge losses are not trivial. Hybrids could be the best of both worlds, but I think making small engines ridiculously low pollution may compromise their efficiency. The automobile pollution regulations are not grounded in reality, though they were about 50 years ago.
Nuclear power is a completely subsidized evil demon child of nuclear weapons. In a more sensible world it might be possible to make thorium fueled reactors with adequate safety and waste profiles. I doubt that nuclear proliferation could be managed any better than now. No losses that we know of, ha ha.
Power for electric cars is a more centralized resource than gasoline for cars. I predict it will not be too long before some government decides to manage charging schedules. Scheduling trips will follow at some point. This will seem natural since the power grid is/was a subsidized and monopolized resource. Roads are equivalent but this doesn’t play out the same until all roads are toll. Petroleum distribution has a long market history which is different from electricity. Unfortunately, at some point gas stations may begin to fade. Obviously that is someone’s plan.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/20/france-ukraine-nato-membership-russia-war-negotiation/
The US and Germany still appear to be holding out, at least until the end of the war (which I agree with).
FWIW, I would personally be satisfied with Anatoly Karlin's compromise of UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO and (long-term) EU membership. Though I would think that there would need to be the option of holding repeat plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass every couple of/several decades if enough of their population will demand to do so via petition. But even without this, this would still seem like a decent deal for Ukraine. But I don't think that Ukraine will accept or that Russia will offer such a deal.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson
FWIW, I think that morally speaking, Ukraine is entitled to Crimea and Donbass (at least if it promises not to do mass ethnic cleansing there afterwards, with the exception of mass deportations of everyone who settled there after 2014). I just think that EU and NATO membership are more important for Ukraine relative to this and that thus if Ukrainians were more pragmatic, then they would be willing to agree to this in order to end the war.
I can understand why Disney is ditching dwarf actors for Snow White. I have always found them to be really creepy, R2D2 excepted.
Willow was just the uncanny valley before CGI.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m_KtUoaYL38
HvB has a better title -- Snow Brown and the Seven Climate Activists
If Bob Iger is smart he will dump it onto Home DVD then Disney+. It has no chance in theaters.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C74K8_3VzT8
You have to wonder why mentally challenged yahoos stand against the only MAGA candidate in the GOP primary... Yet there it is... Stupid Is, As Stupid Does.
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There should be any ethnolinguistic or ancestral restrictions on Jewishness. Just claiming it as an identity should be enough.
For instance, right now I feel very Jewish, along with some other identities. As such I should not be denied entrance to Israel or a job once I get there (if offered) should I take a flight there right now. They have no moral right to do so.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ
Re: Israeli immigration policy: I think that, at the bare minimum, in addition to keeping Israel’s Law of Return as it is (or even expanding it!), I think that Israel should give the option of conversion to Judaism to all of its guest workers and allow them to permanently stay in Israel and to eventually become Israeli citizens if they will actually agree to this. I do think that these conversions needs to be at least in part due to a love of Judaism and the Jewish people rather than *exclusively* due to a desire to stay in Israel. But that’s just a formality since one can always lie about one’s reasons for converting to Judaism, I suppose.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/20/france-ukraine-nato-membership-russia-war-negotiation/
The US and Germany still appear to be holding out, at least until the end of the war (which I agree with).
FWIW, I would personally be satisfied with Anatoly Karlin's compromise of UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO and (long-term) EU membership. Though I would think that there would need to be the option of holding repeat plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass every couple of/several decades if enough of their population will demand to do so via petition. But even without this, this would still seem like a decent deal for Ukraine. But I don't think that Ukraine will accept or that Russia will offer such a deal.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson
France actually appears to support Ukrainian NATO membership right now:
Which could just be pillow talk.
The vote can’t occur until:
1. The war ends and borders are agreed upon with Russia
2. Ukraine changes their military system
3. Ukraine passes a referendum whereby the people vote to join
4. Ukraine applies
That could take over a decade and Ukraine might stay out as part of a compromise with Russia. By the time the vote occurs a member like France or Turkey could change their mind in the final vote.
FWIW, I would personally be satisfied with Anatoly Karlin’s compromise of UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO and (long-term) EU membership.
You are saying let Crimea and Donbas vote for their side? Won’t work because ethnic Ukrainians have already been chased out of both areas. Russia would also move in stooges before the election. DPR/LPR already took in Russians as part of Putin’s plan to push out Ukrainians.
The other problem is that Donbas is more than land with people. It’s also the location of Ukraine’s coal and power plants. They would be handing Putin not only Donbas but a check for billions. Seems unfair when Putin invaded and has caused untold billions in damage.
An independent Crimea would work if there was another minority to balance out the Russians. Otherwise any democracy would just be taken over by Russian agents. Moving a million Syrians there would do it.
I think the compromise should be to keep Ukraine out of NATO and also Finland. Let Putin act like he won based on his original speech. The Russian people are serfs and will go along with it. Toss DPR/LPR a special oblast status. Most of the militia men are dead anyways so there won’t be any resistance. There are intercepts where Russian regulars laugh about sending them to the front.
I actually don’t believe that Ukraine needs NATO and should use that to let Putin walk away. The next gen Western toys will be devastating. Even within 10 years there will be drone swarms that can obliterate a conventional invasion. Ukraine also plans on passing Israeli type gun laws where citizens can borrow an AK if they need one. A second invasion isn’t going to happen. This was Russia’s last chance at taking Ukraine by conventional force.
I was thinking of limiting the referendums in Crimea and Donbass to 2013 residents and their descendants only, but this would only be a part of a compromise package which also involves Ukraine joining NATO. If that's off the table, then Ukraine certainly shouldn't give up its claim to any of its 2013 territories.
Yes, Donbass has natural resources which could be valuable for Ukraine's reconstruction, I suppose. Though rebuilding Donbass will cost a lot of money.
Still waiting for those "luxury condos" to go up for sale in Mariupol? How's the progress going Mr. Beckow?Replies: @Beckow
Easy to find:
I don’t think Phoenix housing for most people is better, it is in reality a lot worse with 110 degree weather. But to each his own, plus don’t you get unlimited tamales with all the new countrymen that have been joining you in Phoenix? What are you up to now in that ugly desert wasteland, 5 million people? Keep it going, there are only a few more billion aspiring new arrivals eager to come.
I work just across the street from this historic village of condos. Sometimes I have lunch at one of the restaurants, or just go for a nice cool walk through its courtyard. It reminds me of the biblical hanging gardens of Babylon. If it's not to your specifications, there are dozens of other places to chose from.Replies: @Beckow
Re: Israeli immigration policy: I think that, at the bare minimum, in addition to keeping Israel’s Law of Return as it is (or even expanding it!), I think that Israel should give the option of conversion to Judaism to all of its guest workers and allow them to permanently stay in Israel and to eventually become Israeli citizens if they will actually agree to this.
“Convert to Judaism to stay even though we are 20% Muslim”
I’m guessing that such a policy wouldn’t make NYTimes headlines.
What they should actually do is allow secular workers of any race.
Give them a test to show that they will eat pork and watch porn. No worries of supporting A-rabs.
Would it really be that hard for a non-Jewish White to stay in Israel? I’m guessing they have business exemptions like a lot of countries. The rules are strict until you show your business plan. It’s not as if non-Jewish Whites are lining up to live a hot little strip of desert. Might as well live in Vegas.
I do wish that more of Israel looked like this though lol:
https://www.myhebro.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/JEWBILEE2014-STANDARD-731x1024.jpgReplies: @A123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Putin_decree_LNR_(2022-02-21).pdfAre you going to deny the validity of that decree? It's not my fault that you have to defend a constantly lying homicidal dwarf that started this war by attacking civilian areas with cruise missiles. Seems like a fool's burden. He clearly doesn't value his own defenders as seen by his betrayal of LPR/DPR separatists. Igor Girkin, former DPR leader thinks Putin is a war dunce that should be replaced. And “Hitler” has nothing to do with it – unless you are retarded and see Hitler behind every bush.I never said Hitler caused the current situation. I pointed out that Hitler started a war based on a false flag event but never hid his intentions of taking lebensraum. On some level he had a vulgar honesty that Putin does not possesses. Putin is the KGB weasel that tries to depict himself as the victim of NATO while launching crude Iranian 2 stroke drones at civilian areas. A little boy in an old man's body that can't simply get in front of a microphone and state the truth which is that he wants to conquer his neighbor. Hitler was evil but could at least man up and declare his intentions of war. Putin has small man's syndrome and won't even go in public without his shoe lifts. A fake man unless you believe he had a growth spurt of 4 inches in his 60s. If what you say about MAD is the only factor then why did US object to Soviets putting missiles in Cuba? If MAD is sufficient, 5 minutes or 30 minutes is all the sameSo like other Putin defenders you also can't explain how there would be a strategic advantage of putting nuclear missiles in Ukraine. Nor have you explained why they aren't in the Baltics given that they are closer to a major population center. Switching to an event from the 60s isn't an explanation. Everyone dies in a nuclear exchange. Period. If you want to argue based on a non-strategic basis then go ahead. But you'll be confirming that you don't have an explanation. Have a look at NATO for yourself:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/NATO_31_Members.png/640px-NATO_31_Members.pngThe Baltics are actually closer to a major population center. You failed to answer the main question: is there any other conceivable other reason why US would drop out if ABM, place missiles in Poland-Romania, and try to expand to Ukraine than to use it against Russia?The ABM theory is a pet theory here and was never cited by Putin in any of his speeches. I don't have to explain why the US dropped out of the ABM. I never even stated that I supported that move. GWB gave his reasons and Putin has shown his own interest in developing new weapons. I'm going to guess that if I dig in QCIC's history he wasn't talking about the ABM when this war started. All these excuses only started flowing after Russia was pushed out of Kiev. Putin has changed his reason for the war at least 4 times (NATO, Nazis, Donbas, protecting civilization) with no mention of the ABM. I can provide his speeches if you would like. This isn't Russian TV where they don't maintain a history of his bullshit. NATO was not trying to expand into Ukraine before the war. Ukraine didn't qualify then and they don't qualify now. France and Germany were opposed. NATO has defensive missiles in Poland that are designed to take down a rogue missile. Why aren't they in the Baltics if proximity to Russia is everything? A simple question that Putin's defenders have been unable to answer.Replies: @Beckow
You just demonstrate you stupidity – and since you never answered any of our questions, I will assume you lost the argument and are throwing a temper tantrum: “it was 60’s (?)”, “Baltic?”, why they put them in Poland, a larger country with no Russians living there. Or “they are changing their mind” is your dysfunctional mind able to understand that people can have multiple reasons for doing something? And change based on circumstances? Is that something never done in your part of the world? Really?
One more time: do you have an alternative reason why would US leave the ABM Treaty, place missiles in Poland and declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008? What could that reason be? If you don’t have an answer just admit it.
Supporters of the withdrawal argued that it was a necessity in order to test and build a limited National Missile Defense to protect the United States from nuclear blackmail by a rogue state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_TreatyIt had nothing to do with being aggressive towards Russia. They wanted to build a defensive system against a state like North Korea and they were prevented from doing that by the ABM. That was back when Putin recognized the autonomy of Ukraine and also Crimea. A completely different time and it is Putin today that brags of developing nuclear torpedoes that can level Britain. He has not pushed for a reworking of the ABM. That type of non-nuclear anti-defensive missile system were placed in Poland. Defensive missiles exist on the Russian border. Saying it could "turn nuclear" is intellectually dishonest because that is already true for all kinds of military hardware that sits near the border. Russian grad systems can also "turn nuclear" if needed. Maybe next time pull up Wikipedia instead of calling people stupid because you're too lazy to read about a treaty the US left 20 years ago. ....declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008?The US cannot authoritatively declare that Ukraine will be in NATO. It doesn't work that way which again shows that you and the dwarf don't seem to understand how the organization works. A US delegate declaring that Ukraine will be in NATO has no more authority than Luxemburg declaring that it will not be in NATO. They both have the same number of votes and it has to be unanimous. You are probably referring to a quote from 2008 from a single US politician who wanted Ukraine to join. That doesn't mean the US can overrule France, Germany or Turkey. I explained this last year and Putin's fanboys think Ukraine not qualifying for NATO is some recent revelation. The easiest way for Putin to keep Ukraine out of NATO was to keep the border contested which was the status quo. A full invasion was incredibly stupid but for some reason you are determined to defend what everyone can see was a colossal mistake. The invasion pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. It has also pushed France and Germany towards the *possibility* of letting in Ukraine when they were publicly against the idea since 2014. I provided numerous quotes from both countries last year and Putin's fanboys still cling to this idea that Ukraine was about to join and Russia had no choice. That was a lie that Putin no longer maintains. When asked about Finland joining he literally said "it doesn't matter" which contradicts his original speech and primary reason for the war.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow
He isn’t being casual.
He is expressing solidarity with the filthy rabble (probably you and certainly me) in the tradition of Mao Tse Tung and Fidel Castro.
I could use a little less solidarity with the piano player.
Not quite what I’d call “luxury condos”, but from what I can see not too bad for the plebeian masses. Aso, I notice that a lot of these condos (apartments) are being built ny the military, so again, not bad for military barracks. Not quite luxury condos though? I had to laugh when the guide stated that these were a lot better than what had stood there before, when I was actually thinking “similar to what had been standing there before” honestly. 🙂 And the photography looks like it was done by a 10 year old, all jerky and all over the place. I’ll still have to wait before I make an investment. Here’s what real luxury condos look like in the “ugly desert wasteland”:
I work just across the street from this historic village of condos. Sometimes I have lunch at one of the restaurants, or just go for a nice cool walk through its courtyard. It reminds me of the biblical hanging gardens of Babylon. If it’s not to your specifications, there are dozens of other places to chose from.
Willow was just the uncanny valley before CGI.Replies: @A123, @A123
Snow White… ROTFLMAO
HvB has a better title — Snow Brown and the Seven Climate Activists
If Bob Iger is smart he will dump it onto Home DVD then Disney+. It has no chance in theaters.
PEACE 😇
Former CIA Analyst: The West Cannot Defeat Russia in Ukraine
Well, for many decades Ukraine was part of the USSR, a worse country to belong to than modern Russia by most metrics, I think, and people just tried to lead their lives the best they could under the circumstances, rather than spending all those decades waging a devastating and futile war against a much bigger enemy.
As far as I know, not even the diaspora expected Ukrainians to rise up and be in constant warfare against the ruthless Soviets. I guess they were rather hoping that the Ukrainian nation and language would persist and one day become independent. As it happened, Ukrainians were more lucky than my old countrymen. They didn’t even need to fight a war for their independence. The Soviet authorities themselves decided to grant them freedom when the USSR project came to an end so those hopes were not misplaced after all.
My own hope is that those people on the front lines are waging war because they see prospects of success, which is not unreasonable at the moment. But those prospects depend on the continuous supply of weapons by outside forces that have proven not to care much for the well being of the population in the countries they foment wars in. Ordinary people in Libya or Syria used to live much better before those same outside forces decided to side with one of the warring parties. They will now have to live in misery or far away from their countries for the indefinite future. Is that what a true patriot wants for his people?
Religious Jews don’t want more pork and porn in Israel. They already have enough of both right now lol.
I do wish that more of Israel looked like this though lol:
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1. The war ends and borders are agreed upon with Russia
2. Ukraine changes their military system
3. Ukraine passes a referendum whereby the people vote to join
4. Ukraine appliesThat could take over a decade and Ukraine might stay out as part of a compromise with Russia. By the time the vote occurs a member like France or Turkey could change their mind in the final vote. FWIW, I would personally be satisfied with Anatoly Karlin’s compromise of UN-supervised plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO and (long-term) EU membership. You are saying let Crimea and Donbas vote for their side? Won't work because ethnic Ukrainians have already been chased out of both areas. Russia would also move in stooges before the election. DPR/LPR already took in Russians as part of Putin's plan to push out Ukrainians. The other problem is that Donbas is more than land with people. It's also the location of Ukraine's coal and power plants. They would be handing Putin not only Donbas but a check for billions. Seems unfair when Putin invaded and has caused untold billions in damage. An independent Crimea would work if there was another minority to balance out the Russians. Otherwise any democracy would just be taken over by Russian agents. Moving a million Syrians there would do it. I think the compromise should be to keep Ukraine out of NATO and also Finland. Let Putin act like he won based on his original speech. The Russian people are serfs and will go along with it. Toss DPR/LPR a special oblast status. Most of the militia men are dead anyways so there won't be any resistance. There are intercepts where Russian regulars laugh about sending them to the front.I actually don't believe that Ukraine needs NATO and should use that to let Putin walk away. The next gen Western toys will be devastating. Even within 10 years there will be drone swarms that can obliterate a conventional invasion. Ukraine also plans on passing Israeli type gun laws where citizens can borrow an AK if they need one. A second invasion isn't going to happen. This was Russia's last chance at taking Ukraine by conventional force.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Finland won’t be dislodged from NATO now that it’s already in there. Anyway, if Ukraine is to stay out of NATO, then it should get all of its 2013 territories back as compensation for this. Crimea and Donbass can have South Tyrol-style autonomy within Ukraine.
I was thinking of limiting the referendums in Crimea and Donbass to 2013 residents and their descendants only, but this would only be a part of a compromise package which also involves Ukraine joining NATO. If that’s off the table, then Ukraine certainly shouldn’t give up its claim to any of its 2013 territories.
Yes, Donbass has natural resources which could be valuable for Ukraine’s reconstruction, I suppose. Though rebuilding Donbass will cost a lot of money.
As far as I know, not even the diaspora expected Ukrainians to rise up and be in constant warfare against the ruthless Soviets. I guess they were rather hoping that the Ukrainian nation and language would persist and one day become independent. As it happened, Ukrainians were more lucky than my old countrymen. They didn't even need to fight a war for their independence. The Soviet authorities themselves decided to grant them freedom when the USSR project came to an end so those hopes were not misplaced after all.
My own hope is that those people on the front lines are waging war because they see prospects of success, which is not unreasonable at the moment. But those prospects depend on the continuous supply of weapons by outside forces that have proven not to care much for the well being of the population in the countries they foment wars in. Ordinary people in Libya or Syria used to live much better before those same outside forces decided to side with one of the warring parties. They will now have to live in misery or far away from their countries for the indefinite future. Is that what a true patriot wants for his people?Replies: @Mr. XYZ
West Ukrainians actually did try to go down this route after WWII for years but ultimately ended up getting brutally crushed by the Soviets, after which point they remained quiet until perestroika.
Willow was just the uncanny valley before CGI.Replies: @A123, @A123
I am not sure what is worse. The Disney fiasco… Or, low-IQ Mikel Pence and his contempt for Americans.
You have to wonder why mentally challenged yahoos stand against the only MAGA candidate in the GOP primary… Yet there it is… Stupid Is, As Stupid Does.
PEACE 😇
Pence is the definition of a non-entity. Would be scary to think he believes he can win against Trump. Would rather believe he is in in for getting campaign donations.Replies: @Mikel
One more time: do you have an alternative reason why would US leave the ABM Treaty, place missiles in Poland and declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008? What could that reason be? If you don't have an answer just admit it.Replies: @John Johnson
You just demonstrate you stupidity – and since you never answered any of our questions
You haven’t explain how nuclear missiles planned for Ukraine would give NATO a strategic advantage.
The theory is even more ridiculous now that NATO has re-iterated the rules about how Ukraine doesn’t qualify given their contested border. I pointed that out in Feb of last year but Putin’s fanboys *wanted to believe* that NATO was about to build nuke towers next to Russia cause the dwarf said so.
One more time: do you have an alternative reason why would US leave the ABM Treaty, place missiles in Poland and declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008?
One more time: It is QCIC’s pet theory that all those events are linked. Putin has not cited the ABM in a single speech.
Wikipedia explains GWB’s reasons for leaving the ABM treaty:
Supporters of the withdrawal argued that it was a necessity in order to test and build a limited National Missile Defense to protect the United States from nuclear blackmail by a rogue state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty
It had nothing to do with being aggressive towards Russia. They wanted to build a defensive system against a state like North Korea and they were prevented from doing that by the ABM. That was back when Putin recognized the autonomy of Ukraine and also Crimea. A completely different time and it is Putin today that brags of developing nuclear torpedoes that can level Britain. He has not pushed for a reworking of the ABM.
That type of non-nuclear anti-defensive missile system were placed in Poland. Defensive missiles exist on the Russian border. Saying it could “turn nuclear” is intellectually dishonest because that is already true for all kinds of military hardware that sits near the border. Russian grad systems can also “turn nuclear” if needed.
Maybe next time pull up Wikipedia instead of calling people stupid because you’re too lazy to read about a treaty the US left 20 years ago.
….declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008?
The US cannot authoritatively declare that Ukraine will be in NATO. It doesn’t work that way which again shows that you and the dwarf don’t seem to understand how the organization works. A US delegate declaring that Ukraine will be in NATO has no more authority than Luxemburg declaring that it will not be in NATO. They both have the same number of votes and it has to be unanimous. You are probably referring to a quote from 2008 from a single US politician who wanted Ukraine to join. That doesn’t mean the US can overrule France, Germany or Turkey. I explained this last year and Putin’s fanboys think Ukraine not qualifying for NATO is some recent revelation.
The easiest way for Putin to keep Ukraine out of NATO was to keep the border contested which was the status quo. A full invasion was incredibly stupid but for some reason you are determined to defend what everyone can see was a colossal mistake. The invasion pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. It has also pushed France and Germany towards the *possibility* of letting in Ukraine when they were publicly against the idea since 2014. I provided numerous quotes from both countries last year and Putin’s fanboys still cling to this idea that Ukraine was about to join and Russia had no choice. That was a lie that Putin no longer maintains. When asked about Finland joining he literally said “it doesn’t matter” which contradicts his original speech and primary reason for the war.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/13/international/bush-pulls-out-of-abm-treaty-putin-calls-move-a-mistake.html
The USA and West are playing their game of hybrid warfare and an attempt at "full spectrum dominance". No single piece tells the story so you need to look at the big picture. It is fully obvious, just open your eyes. Russia is in the cross hairs for various reasons held by the West including stupidity, old hurt feelings, power lust, conniving, fear, you name it. The made up problem has to suit the defense budget so at almost $1 trillion dollars (I wish I were joking), Iran is too small and China is too big. To channel Goldilocks, "Baby Bear is just right!"
Nuclear offense and nuclear defense are a big part of the warfare spectrum. The USA handles this part. Better to put as many nuclear weapons in NATO counties as possible so they are more likely to get nuked when the US pushes the button.
Conventional warfare against Russia is NATO's problem, but played out with expensive American weaponry.
Sanctions and financial pressure, everyone joins in the fun.
NGOs and fifth columns, step right up, we have a dishonest con game you can play for our Empire.
Ad infinitum.
Say the words:
Stop sending weapons to Ukraine.
No US or Polish troops in Ukraine.
Revive nuclear arms disarmament talks.Replies: @John Johnson
I do wish that more of Israel looked like this though lol:
https://www.myhebro.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/JEWBILEE2014-STANDARD-731x1024.jpgReplies: @A123
$25 at the door in NYC… Ummm…. Wow… That is a catastrophic as an admission fee. Parking for Hell’s Kitchen/Times Square costs more than the cover charge. ROTFL
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He is expressing solidarity with the filthy rabble (probably you and certainly me) in the tradition of Mao Tse Tung and Fidel Castro.Replies: @QCIC
I resemble that remark!
I could use a little less solidarity with the piano player.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C74K8_3VzT8
You have to wonder why mentally challenged yahoos stand against the only MAGA candidate in the GOP primary... Yet there it is... Stupid Is, As Stupid Does.
PEACE 😇Replies: @songbird
Been a while since we had a VP who wasn’t a joke.
Pence is the definition of a non-entity. Would be scary to think he believes he can win against Trump. Would rather believe he is in in for getting campaign donations.
Supporters of the withdrawal argued that it was a necessity in order to test and build a limited National Missile Defense to protect the United States from nuclear blackmail by a rogue state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_TreatyIt had nothing to do with being aggressive towards Russia. They wanted to build a defensive system against a state like North Korea and they were prevented from doing that by the ABM. That was back when Putin recognized the autonomy of Ukraine and also Crimea. A completely different time and it is Putin today that brags of developing nuclear torpedoes that can level Britain. He has not pushed for a reworking of the ABM. That type of non-nuclear anti-defensive missile system were placed in Poland. Defensive missiles exist on the Russian border. Saying it could "turn nuclear" is intellectually dishonest because that is already true for all kinds of military hardware that sits near the border. Russian grad systems can also "turn nuclear" if needed. Maybe next time pull up Wikipedia instead of calling people stupid because you're too lazy to read about a treaty the US left 20 years ago. ....declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008?The US cannot authoritatively declare that Ukraine will be in NATO. It doesn't work that way which again shows that you and the dwarf don't seem to understand how the organization works. A US delegate declaring that Ukraine will be in NATO has no more authority than Luxemburg declaring that it will not be in NATO. They both have the same number of votes and it has to be unanimous. You are probably referring to a quote from 2008 from a single US politician who wanted Ukraine to join. That doesn't mean the US can overrule France, Germany or Turkey. I explained this last year and Putin's fanboys think Ukraine not qualifying for NATO is some recent revelation. The easiest way for Putin to keep Ukraine out of NATO was to keep the border contested which was the status quo. A full invasion was incredibly stupid but for some reason you are determined to defend what everyone can see was a colossal mistake. The invasion pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. It has also pushed France and Germany towards the *possibility* of letting in Ukraine when they were publicly against the idea since 2014. I provided numerous quotes from both countries last year and Putin's fanboys still cling to this idea that Ukraine was about to join and Russia had no choice. That was a lie that Putin no longer maintains. When asked about Finland joining he literally said "it doesn't matter" which contradicts his original speech and primary reason for the war.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow
Putin mentioned the USA dropping the ABM Treaty at the time and subsequently. Look it up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/13/international/bush-pulls-out-of-abm-treaty-putin-calls-move-a-mistake.html
The USA and West are playing their game of hybrid warfare and an attempt at “full spectrum dominance”. No single piece tells the story so you need to look at the big picture. It is fully obvious, just open your eyes. Russia is in the cross hairs for various reasons held by the West including stupidity, old hurt feelings, power lust, conniving, fear, you name it. The made up problem has to suit the defense budget so at almost $1 trillion dollars (I wish I were joking), Iran is too small and China is too big. To channel Goldilocks, “Baby Bear is just right!”
Nuclear offense and nuclear defense are a big part of the warfare spectrum. The USA handles this part. Better to put as many nuclear weapons in NATO counties as possible so they are more likely to get nuked when the US pushes the button.
Conventional warfare against Russia is NATO’s problem, but played out with expensive American weaponry.
Sanctions and financial pressure, everyone joins in the fun.
NGOs and fifth columns, step right up, we have a dishonest con game you can play for our Empire.
Ad infinitum.
Say the words:
Stop sending weapons to Ukraine.
No US or Polish troops in Ukraine.
Revive nuclear arms disarmament talks.
No US or Polish troops in Ukraine.
Revive nuclear arms disarmament talks.Say the words? Is that like say his name? What should Ukraine have done? Elected a neutral candidate and not the pro-NATO candidate? They did that. Zelensky won on being neutral towards Russia. What else should they have done? Adopted neutrality in their constitution and ignored NATO? Moldova did that and they were scheduled for invasion. Or do you believe the leaked plans to invade Moldova were fake?Lukashenko showing planned troop movements into Moldova:https://i.redd.it/3si18eje3uk81.jpgReplies: @QCIC
I wrote:
The US [anti-] missile sites in Eastern Europe (interceptor or cruise missile) are obviously aggressive and directed at Russia. The locations are ridiculous for defense against Iran.
I stand by the first sentence. The second sentence is incorrect and I retract it.
Pence is the definition of a non-entity. Would be scary to think he believes he can win against Trump. Would rather believe he is in in for getting campaign donations.Replies: @Mikel
That’s what I’ve always wondered about with primary campaigns. Most of those people can’t possibly believe that they can win, they must be there for some other reason. And Pence is not even the worst with some 5% of support. What path to victory do people like Christie, Elder, Haley have? Don’t they see the polls and can’t they read the public opinion even without polls? Trump was also a long shot at the beginning but at least he brought a brand new message, unlike all these people, and at this stage in the 2016 primaries he was already in the double digits. We all know that most of the current contenders will never raise from the single digits, no matter what they do at the debates because we’ve listened to them debating many times before. Why don’t they know?
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/13/international/bush-pulls-out-of-abm-treaty-putin-calls-move-a-mistake.html
The USA and West are playing their game of hybrid warfare and an attempt at "full spectrum dominance". No single piece tells the story so you need to look at the big picture. It is fully obvious, just open your eyes. Russia is in the cross hairs for various reasons held by the West including stupidity, old hurt feelings, power lust, conniving, fear, you name it. The made up problem has to suit the defense budget so at almost $1 trillion dollars (I wish I were joking), Iran is too small and China is too big. To channel Goldilocks, "Baby Bear is just right!"
Nuclear offense and nuclear defense are a big part of the warfare spectrum. The USA handles this part. Better to put as many nuclear weapons in NATO counties as possible so they are more likely to get nuked when the US pushes the button.
Conventional warfare against Russia is NATO's problem, but played out with expensive American weaponry.
Sanctions and financial pressure, everyone joins in the fun.
NGOs and fifth columns, step right up, we have a dishonest con game you can play for our Empire.
Ad infinitum.
Say the words:
Stop sending weapons to Ukraine.
No US or Polish troops in Ukraine.
Revive nuclear arms disarmament talks.Replies: @John Johnson
Putin mentioned the USA dropping the ABM Treaty at the time and subsequently. Look it up.
Are you really that desperate?
I obviously was talking about his speeches for the current war.
I made that point numerous times in detail. We have his speeches and he hasn’t mentioned the ABM treaty as a cause. So you seem to think he was dishonest in his reasons. Well I agree there and so does Prigozhin.
“the war was based on lies, it was all about egos” – Prigozhin before his march into Russia
Prigozhin was fighting in this war and doesn’t believe in your pet ABM theory.
Say the words:
Stop sending weapons to Ukraine.
No US or Polish troops in Ukraine.
Revive nuclear arms disarmament talks.
Say the words? Is that like say his name?
What should Ukraine have done? Elected a neutral candidate and not the pro-NATO candidate? They did that. Zelensky won on being neutral towards Russia.
What else should they have done? Adopted neutrality in their constitution and ignored NATO? Moldova did that and they were scheduled for invasion. Or do you believe the leaked plans to invade Moldova were fake?
Lukashenko showing planned troop movements into Moldova:

This is a war of Empires. Russia was down and out after the fall of the USSR and the West is still trying to take it out as a global player. Nuclear weapons use is on the table so all of the stakes are higher than you believe. Of course all players lie and use subterfuge, billions of lives may hang in the balance.
This doesn't alter the fact that the USA provocatively dropped out of nuclear disarmament treaties which had developed out of mutual respect and shared interests between the USA and USSR/Russia. NATO expanded and reduced Russia's security buffer zones. Similar games of empire have been going on for thousands of years, except that in the past humanity did not have nuclear weapons or a worldwide 7 billion person economy which depends on mutual respect and cooperation.Replies: @John Johnson
Well this is interesting
Ex-Prigozhin employees talk about how victims of Donbas genocide were paid actors
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/14/victims-of-donbas-genocide-were-paid-actors-prigozhins-fired-trolls-reveal/
Even though you seem to have decided to evade my simple question on American military interventions, probably to avoid admitting your neocon convictions, you've just revealed more about your credibility than you realize.
And how many times do you have to be reminded that that arrow in your picture clearly points to Transnistria, which undoubtedly Putin planned to join to his Novorossia project after conquering Odessa? If Putin planned to attack Moldova you're not proving it with that picture at all, you're just showing what anyone with a brain knows Putin tried and failed to do with his SMO.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
No US or Polish troops in Ukraine.
Revive nuclear arms disarmament talks.Say the words? Is that like say his name? What should Ukraine have done? Elected a neutral candidate and not the pro-NATO candidate? They did that. Zelensky won on being neutral towards Russia. What else should they have done? Adopted neutrality in their constitution and ignored NATO? Moldova did that and they were scheduled for invasion. Or do you believe the leaked plans to invade Moldova were fake?Lukashenko showing planned troop movements into Moldova:https://i.redd.it/3si18eje3uk81.jpgReplies: @QCIC
I see the current fighting in Ukraine as part of a larger and more dangerous picture. I needed to correct your misleading statement on the USA withdrawal from the pivotal ABM nuclear treaty and note Russia’s response.
This is a war of Empires. Russia was down and out after the fall of the USSR and the West is still trying to take it out as a global player. Nuclear weapons use is on the table so all of the stakes are higher than you believe. Of course all players lie and use subterfuge, billions of lives may hang in the balance.
This doesn’t alter the fact that the USA provocatively dropped out of nuclear disarmament treaties which had developed out of mutual respect and shared interests between the USA and USSR/Russia. NATO expanded and reduced Russia’s security buffer zones. Similar games of empire have been going on for thousands of years, except that in the past humanity did not have nuclear weapons or a worldwide 7 billion person economy which depends on mutual respect and cooperation.
GWB gave his reasons for leaving and it had nothing to do with aggression towards Russia in Eastern Europe. He wanted to build a defensive system to protect against a single missile from rogue nation.
There is no correcting me on his reasons. He gave his reasons and they are public record.
Here it is from Bush himself over 20 years ago:
Today, I have given formal notice to Russia, in accordance with the treaty, that the United States of America is withdrawing from this almost 30 year old treaty. I have concluded the ABM treaty hinders our government's ability to develop ways to protect our people from future terrorist or rogue state missile attacks.
He in fact describes the relationship with Putin as progressing towards peace
Russia is in the midst of a transition to free markets and democracy. We are committed to forging strong economic ties between Russia and the United States, and new bonds between Russia and our partners in NATO. NATO has made clear its desire to identify and pursue opportunities for joint action at 20.
I look forward to visiting Moscow, to continue our discussions, as we seek a formal way to express a new strategic relationship that will last long beyond our individual administrations, providing a foundation for peace for the years to come.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011213-4.htmlReplies: @Sean, @Greasy William, @QCIC
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/14/victims-of-donbas-genocide-were-paid-actors-prigozhins-fired-trolls-reveal/Replies: @Mikel
As anyone familiar with the Ukrainian conflict since 2014 knows, euromaidanpress is like putting Ritter, MacGregor and Alex Jones on steroids and turning them into a fake news website.
Even though you seem to have decided to evade my simple question on American military interventions, probably to avoid admitting your neocon convictions, you’ve just revealed more about your credibility than you realize.
And how many times do you have to be reminded that that arrow in your picture clearly points to Transnistria, which undoubtedly Putin planned to join to his Novorossia project after conquering Odessa? If Putin planned to attack Moldova you’re not proving it with that picture at all, you’re just showing what anyone with a brain knows Putin tried and failed to do with his SMO.
Russia has built a fresh 150k man army for the purpose of launching their own offensive to recapture Kharkov in the late summer/early fall. They should have about 7 weeks before the rain makes offensive operations impossible. 7 weeks is enough time to take enough territory to serve as a launching pad for an offensive to retake Kharkov.
This is a war of Empires. Russia was down and out after the fall of the USSR and the West is still trying to take it out as a global player. Nuclear weapons use is on the table so all of the stakes are higher than you believe. Of course all players lie and use subterfuge, billions of lives may hang in the balance.
This doesn't alter the fact that the USA provocatively dropped out of nuclear disarmament treaties which had developed out of mutual respect and shared interests between the USA and USSR/Russia. NATO expanded and reduced Russia's security buffer zones. Similar games of empire have been going on for thousands of years, except that in the past humanity did not have nuclear weapons or a worldwide 7 billion person economy which depends on mutual respect and cooperation.Replies: @John Johnson
I see the current fighting in Ukraine as part of a larger and more dangerous picture. I needed to correct your misleading statement on the USA withdrawal from the pivotal ABM nuclear treaty and note Russia’s response.
GWB gave his reasons for leaving and it had nothing to do with aggression towards Russia in Eastern Europe. He wanted to build a defensive system to protect against a single missile from rogue nation.
There is no correcting me on his reasons. He gave his reasons and they are public record.
Here it is from Bush himself over 20 years ago:
Today, I have given formal notice to Russia, in accordance with the treaty, that the United States of America is withdrawing from this almost 30 year old treaty. I have concluded the ABM treaty hinders our government’s ability to develop ways to protect our people from future terrorist or rogue state missile attacks.
He in fact describes the relationship with Putin as progressing towards peace
Russia is in the midst of a transition to free markets and democracy. We are committed to forging strong economic ties between Russia and the United States, and new bonds between Russia and our partners in NATO. NATO has made clear its desire to identify and pursue opportunities for joint action at 20.
I look forward to visiting Moscow, to continue our discussions, as we seek a formal way to express a new strategic relationship that will last long beyond our individual administrations, providing a foundation for peace for the years to come.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011213-4.html
For the record, I like the idea of Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) defenses. The problem is they have limited technical usefulness which is not worth the loss of crucial nuclear weapons treaties. The point of ABM defense is to make things LESS dangerous. Dropping out of the treaties causes more harm than any potential benefit of the ABM defense. The compromise of one site per country in the treaty was great idea since both sides get to continue to work on ABM. As the technical capability gradually improves, use that progress to motivate expansion of other nuclear treaties. Reduce the nuclear weapons inventory and calm the attack posture on both sides. Bring other countries into the treaties over time.
Great job, Junior. Definitely on the list of worst Presidents ever despite stiff competition.
It is very sad about all the dead and crippled young men but the people calling the shots are indifferent. Somebody at newsweek is taking weird drugs. This is not the only example in recent weeks.Replies: @Sean
Russia has built a fresh 150k man army for the purpose of launching their own offensive to recapture Kharkov in the late summer/early fall. They should have about 7 weeks before the rain makes offensive operations impossible.
Where did you learn of this? MacGregor? The Great Summer Offensive now?
Putin is going to send 150k conscripts into a majority Ukrainian city? Is that right?
So another urban bloodbath….why exactly? Or are you just excited for more killing ?
As best as I can tell, Russia has been building/training a reserve army for the past year. In the last few weeks this army has begun taking positions towards an offensive towards Kharkov. AFAIK, there is no official confirmation of this from the always opaque Kremlin but it's considered a given by all Russian war Telegram channels and some Ukrainian sources have also speculated about it as well. No. First of all, few, if any, of these troops are conscripts. They are a mixture of professional troops and reservists. Secondly, there will not be a direct assault on Kharkov ala Bakhmut. The plan is likely to encircle the Ukrainian troops in the Kharkov region. Before Russia can even attempt this, however, Russia needs to secure territory to the north of Bakhmut to be used as a launch point for an offensive. So I am predicting 2 separate offensives: the first, launched in late August and lasting about six weeks, an operation to expand Russian controlled territory north of Bakhmut via capturing some other small settlements; and the second, launched in December or January and likely lasting for months, to conquer the Kharkov obalast.
The first operation I expect to succeed. The second one I'm unsure about.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson
Even though you seem to have decided to evade my simple question on American military interventions, probably to avoid admitting your neocon convictions, you've just revealed more about your credibility than you realize.
And how many times do you have to be reminded that that arrow in your picture clearly points to Transnistria, which undoubtedly Putin planned to join to his Novorossia project after conquering Odessa? If Putin planned to attack Moldova you're not proving it with that picture at all, you're just showing what anyone with a brain knows Putin tried and failed to do with his SMO.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
As anyone familiar with the Ukrainian conflict since 2014 knows, euromaidanpress is like putting Ritter, MacGregor and Alex Jones on steroids and turning them into a fake news website.
So you believe it is fake news? You assume it can’t be true due to the source even though Prigozhin admitted to having a paid troll farm?
It’s not possible that Putin’s Jewish chef faked Donbas victims?
Prigozhin is a fine upstanding culinary expert that would never do such a thing?
And how many times do you have to be reminded that that arrow in your picture clearly points to Transnistria, which undoubtedly Putin planned to join to his Novorossia project after conquering Odessa?
And why would he need to send troops to Transnistria if they have an agreement with Moldova? Are you saying he planned on breaking his own agreement? He wouldn’t take all of Moldova, just Transnistria which is currently under a peace agreement signed by Putin? Is that right?
If Putin planned to attack Moldova you’re not proving it with that picture at all, you’re just showing what anyone with a brain knows Putin tried and failed to do with his SMO.
Do you believe the leaked plan to absorb Belarus by 2030 is also fake?
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-belarus-strategy-document-230035184.html
What is like to have spent years blogging about how Russian rule is good for Ukraine? Only to watch a bitter dwarf create a 1000 year split between the two countries?
Besides, it makes you construct sentences in bad English that put in question your whole narrative.
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Even though you seem to have decided to evade my simple question on American military interventions, probably to avoid admitting your neocon convictions, you've just revealed more about your credibility than you realize.
And how many times do you have to be reminded that that arrow in your picture clearly points to Transnistria, which undoubtedly Putin planned to join to his Novorossia project after conquering Odessa? If Putin planned to attack Moldova you're not proving it with that picture at all, you're just showing what anyone with a brain knows Putin tried and failed to do with his SMO.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail
Agree.
No evidence that Putin has unsuccessfully tried to do this.
GWB gave his reasons for leaving and it had nothing to do with aggression towards Russia in Eastern Europe. He wanted to build a defensive system to protect against a single missile from rogue nation.
There is no correcting me on his reasons. He gave his reasons and they are public record.
Here it is from Bush himself over 20 years ago:
Today, I have given formal notice to Russia, in accordance with the treaty, that the United States of America is withdrawing from this almost 30 year old treaty. I have concluded the ABM treaty hinders our government's ability to develop ways to protect our people from future terrorist or rogue state missile attacks.
He in fact describes the relationship with Putin as progressing towards peace
Russia is in the midst of a transition to free markets and democracy. We are committed to forging strong economic ties between Russia and the United States, and new bonds between Russia and our partners in NATO. NATO has made clear its desire to identify and pursue opportunities for joint action at 20.
I look forward to visiting Moscow, to continue our discussions, as we seek a formal way to express a new strategic relationship that will last long beyond our individual administrations, providing a foundation for peace for the years to come.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011213-4.htmlReplies: @Sean, @Greasy William, @QCIC
Iran did not have any such missile back then. Actually, it still does not have any such missile.
The most concrete foundation of peace is mutually assured destruction, which the steadily evolving ABM systems are intended to dissolve–for America and its allies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m_KtUoaYL38
HvB has a better title -- Snow Brown and the Seven Climate Activists
If Bob Iger is smart he will dump it onto Home DVD then Disney+. It has no chance in theaters.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Wokechoke
Shit Black and the Seben Dwayne’s.
Yes, that’s perfectly possible and it would be totally in line with his personality. However, if euromaidanpress said that he did it, then it is quite safe to discard that it actually happened.
The idea that the Russian troops would reach the border of a territory that is already occupied by Russian troops but stop right there and avoid merging the already occupied territory to the newly occupied territory is too ridiculous to comment on.
You really need to stop this habit of wanking in public. You keep discharging on our screens and it’s disgusting.
Besides, it makes you construct sentences in bad English that put in question your whole narrative.
You’re right. All the evidence points in the direction that the attack on Mykolaiev and the landing on Zemeiny Island were just clever ruses to make all Russian bloggers think that the idea was to occupy Odessa. It’s quite remarkable how Putin managed to fool them all.
GWB gave his reasons for leaving and it had nothing to do with aggression towards Russia in Eastern Europe. He wanted to build a defensive system to protect against a single missile from rogue nation.
There is no correcting me on his reasons. He gave his reasons and they are public record.
Here it is from Bush himself over 20 years ago:
Today, I have given formal notice to Russia, in accordance with the treaty, that the United States of America is withdrawing from this almost 30 year old treaty. I have concluded the ABM treaty hinders our government's ability to develop ways to protect our people from future terrorist or rogue state missile attacks.
He in fact describes the relationship with Putin as progressing towards peace
Russia is in the midst of a transition to free markets and democracy. We are committed to forging strong economic ties between Russia and the United States, and new bonds between Russia and our partners in NATO. NATO has made clear its desire to identify and pursue opportunities for joint action at 20.
I look forward to visiting Moscow, to continue our discussions, as we seek a formal way to express a new strategic relationship that will last long beyond our individual administrations, providing a foundation for peace for the years to come.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011213-4.htmlReplies: @Sean, @Greasy William, @QCIC
Bush was pro Putin until Georgia happened. Obama tried to work with Putin even after Syria. Ukraine is what soured Obama on Putin.
You must be confusing me with someone else. I think this war is a case of criminal aggression and I want it ended yesterday. I admit that I want to see US eat a gigantic L but not at the price of so much suffering nor am I willing to sacrifice Ukrainian sovereignty (although I’m absolutely willing to see Ukraine’s borders substantially shrunken and I oppose Ukraine getting back Crimea and the far eastern regions).
I don’t listen to MacGregor or Ritter. I was burned too badly last year. They are morons/liars and I don’t even know what they are currently saying because I haven’t listened to either in months. I follow various war bloggers on Telegram and gather other publicly available information and try to piece things together as best I can.
As best as I can tell, Russia has been building/training a reserve army for the past year. In the last few weeks this army has begun taking positions towards an offensive towards Kharkov. AFAIK, there is no official confirmation of this from the always opaque Kremlin but it’s considered a given by all Russian war Telegram channels and some Ukrainian sources have also speculated about it as well.
No. First of all, few, if any, of these troops are conscripts. They are a mixture of professional troops and reservists. Secondly, there will not be a direct assault on Kharkov ala Bakhmut. The plan is likely to encircle the Ukrainian troops in the Kharkov region. Before Russia can even attempt this, however, Russia needs to secure territory to the north of Bakhmut to be used as a launch point for an offensive. So I am predicting 2 separate offensives: the first, launched in late August and lasting about six weeks, an operation to expand Russian controlled territory north of Bakhmut via capturing some other small settlements; and the second, launched in December or January and likely lasting for months, to conquer the Kharkov obalast.
The first operation I expect to succeed. The second one I’m unsure about.
Bush was “pro-Putin” when the latter was a relative unknown Yeltsin appointee and in the immediate aftermath of 911, when Russia once again showed its effort to be on good terms with the US.
Putin tried to work with Obama even after Syria. Obama blatantly flip flopped on Ukraine with his 2016 Jeffrey Goldberg exchange as a clear reference. The ongoing svido, neocon, neolib influenced US foreign policy is what understandably soured Putin and most Russians on the US government.
Once Ukraine receives and starts to incorporate NATO sponsored F-16s, the unofficial incorporation will be near complete. China wisely has stayed out of this conflict, seeing the endgame sooner than most and has preserved its status as a main manufacturer for Western needed goods. Russia will slowly spiral down for as long as it wants to.
As best as I can tell, Russia has been building/training a reserve army for the past year. In the last few weeks this army has begun taking positions towards an offensive towards Kharkov. AFAIK, there is no official confirmation of this from the always opaque Kremlin but it's considered a given by all Russian war Telegram channels and some Ukrainian sources have also speculated about it as well. No. First of all, few, if any, of these troops are conscripts. They are a mixture of professional troops and reservists. Secondly, there will not be a direct assault on Kharkov ala Bakhmut. The plan is likely to encircle the Ukrainian troops in the Kharkov region. Before Russia can even attempt this, however, Russia needs to secure territory to the north of Bakhmut to be used as a launch point for an offensive. So I am predicting 2 separate offensives: the first, launched in late August and lasting about six weeks, an operation to expand Russian controlled territory north of Bakhmut via capturing some other small settlements; and the second, launched in December or January and likely lasting for months, to conquer the Kharkov obalast.
The first operation I expect to succeed. The second one I'm unsure about.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson
This is precisely the territory that the Ukrainian military has been successfully taking back right now. If you think that you know what’s really going on, I would think that the Ukrainian military also knows what you know, and is preparing appropriately.
The big question for me is what is their goal for the city?
- Do they want to "flip it" and install a new government for the city and oblast? Hearts and minds.
- Do they simply want to demilitarize/de NAZIfy it? A practical military goal.
- Are they willing to destroy it? Make an example.
The worst case is all of the above. It is so close to the border I think they would want to flip it, but this may be a tall order since Kharkov had been made highly polarized against Russia prior to 2022.
Due to the location, I think it is more affordable for Russia to extensively destroy critical infrastructure to force capitulation. This is based on the notion that Kharkov is also easier to repair since it is closer to Russian industrial capabilities. If they hit the infrastructure as is expected in normal combat operations the troops including the 150K added manpower do not have to tiptoe the way they have been around Kiev, Dnipro and other places.Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack
Supporters of the withdrawal argued that it was a necessity in order to test and build a limited National Missile Defense to protect the United States from nuclear blackmail by a rogue state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_TreatyIt had nothing to do with being aggressive towards Russia. They wanted to build a defensive system against a state like North Korea and they were prevented from doing that by the ABM. That was back when Putin recognized the autonomy of Ukraine and also Crimea. A completely different time and it is Putin today that brags of developing nuclear torpedoes that can level Britain. He has not pushed for a reworking of the ABM. That type of non-nuclear anti-defensive missile system were placed in Poland. Defensive missiles exist on the Russian border. Saying it could "turn nuclear" is intellectually dishonest because that is already true for all kinds of military hardware that sits near the border. Russian grad systems can also "turn nuclear" if needed. Maybe next time pull up Wikipedia instead of calling people stupid because you're too lazy to read about a treaty the US left 20 years ago. ....declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008?The US cannot authoritatively declare that Ukraine will be in NATO. It doesn't work that way which again shows that you and the dwarf don't seem to understand how the organization works. A US delegate declaring that Ukraine will be in NATO has no more authority than Luxemburg declaring that it will not be in NATO. They both have the same number of votes and it has to be unanimous. You are probably referring to a quote from 2008 from a single US politician who wanted Ukraine to join. That doesn't mean the US can overrule France, Germany or Turkey. I explained this last year and Putin's fanboys think Ukraine not qualifying for NATO is some recent revelation. The easiest way for Putin to keep Ukraine out of NATO was to keep the border contested which was the status quo. A full invasion was incredibly stupid but for some reason you are determined to defend what everyone can see was a colossal mistake. The invasion pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. It has also pushed France and Germany towards the *possibility* of letting in Ukraine when they were publicly against the idea since 2014. I provided numerous quotes from both countries last year and Putin's fanboys still cling to this idea that Ukraine was about to join and Russia had no choice. That was a lie that Putin no longer maintains. When asked about Finland joining he literally said "it doesn't matter" which contradicts his original speech and primary reason for the war.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow
You’ve made your case convincingly, easy enough to understand even for Beckow. The problem with Beckow is that once confronted with evidence that contradicts one of his pet theories, instead of amending his position to take this into consideration, he’ll just double down and ignore it. In a week he’ll bring up this point again, hoping that everybody has already forgotten your cogent reply.
Agree, agree, agree.
Sweden as a Neutral is a notion.
What Sweden did was to abandon any pretense of Neutrality.
On this issue we can also see how Sweden with an historical presence in the North Atlantic is barred from NATO by Turkey which is 85,000,000 Muslims. Add 7 million Turks residing in Germany. Constan…Istanbul of course is Europe’s Largest City. 15 million Muslims. They call the shots in NATO now.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ
GWB gave his reasons for leaving and it had nothing to do with aggression towards Russia in Eastern Europe. He wanted to build a defensive system to protect against a single missile from rogue nation.
There is no correcting me on his reasons. He gave his reasons and they are public record.
Here it is from Bush himself over 20 years ago:
Today, I have given formal notice to Russia, in accordance with the treaty, that the United States of America is withdrawing from this almost 30 year old treaty. I have concluded the ABM treaty hinders our government's ability to develop ways to protect our people from future terrorist or rogue state missile attacks.
He in fact describes the relationship with Putin as progressing towards peace
Russia is in the midst of a transition to free markets and democracy. We are committed to forging strong economic ties between Russia and the United States, and new bonds between Russia and our partners in NATO. NATO has made clear its desire to identify and pursue opportunities for joint action at 20.
I look forward to visiting Moscow, to continue our discussions, as we seek a formal way to express a new strategic relationship that will last long beyond our individual administrations, providing a foundation for peace for the years to come.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011213-4.htmlReplies: @Sean, @Greasy William, @QCIC
Yes, the despicable George Bush Junior. Let’s see: Cheney, Neocons, fully insane Iraq War 2 (as opposed to mostly insane Iraq War 1), Afghanistan, etc. GWB is not a positive reference for anything. As moronic as Biden and an active tool of the Neocons.
For the record, I like the idea of Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) defenses. The problem is they have limited technical usefulness which is not worth the loss of crucial nuclear weapons treaties. The point of ABM defense is to make things LESS dangerous. Dropping out of the treaties causes more harm than any potential benefit of the ABM defense. The compromise of one site per country in the treaty was great idea since both sides get to continue to work on ABM. As the technical capability gradually improves, use that progress to motivate expansion of other nuclear treaties. Reduce the nuclear weapons inventory and calm the attack posture on both sides. Bring other countries into the treaties over time.
Great job, Junior. Definitely on the list of worst Presidents ever despite stiff competition.
Kharkov seems like an important milestone for Russia in this operation, but who knows where it fits on their priority list? Once Kharkov goes, Dnipro and Zaporizhzhia are largely surrounded. As soon as one of those cities goes a large region East of the river is done.
The big question for me is what is their goal for the city?
– Do they want to “flip it” and install a new government for the city and oblast? Hearts and minds.
– Do they simply want to demilitarize/de NAZIfy it? A practical military goal.
– Are they willing to destroy it? Make an example.
The worst case is all of the above. It is so close to the border I think they would want to flip it, but this may be a tall order since Kharkov had been made highly polarized against Russia prior to 2022.
Due to the location, I think it is more affordable for Russia to extensively destroy critical infrastructure to force capitulation. This is based on the notion that Kharkov is also easier to repair since it is closer to Russian industrial capabilities. If they hit the infrastructure as is expected in normal combat operations the troops including the 150K added manpower do not have to tiptoe the way they have been around Kiev, Dnipro and other places.
It is not a war of conquest - there are no rational reasons for Russia to occupy all of Ukraine (or Moldova :) and the forces used are way too small. They also know they couldn't permanently control it, so why bother? It is not a defensive war: to goal is to protect the Russians living in Donbas-plus, but Russia is not really at risk any longer - Nato has been pushed back for now.IThe main goal of the war now is to drastically weaken Ukraine and reduce its military potential. That doesn't require occupying Kiev or Kharkiv, and definitely not Lviv. Ukies are bleeding with no prospect of a win. The cruel but effective thing is to keep the war going. The West has been cooperating - if they can't have Ukraine as an anti-Russian military base, the next best thing is to make it irrelevant and useless. In that way Russia and the West now have similar strategies because for both the preferred solution is now impossible - the two sides effectively blocked each other. Once Russia invaded there was no way to accomplish the previous Nato plan to create anti-Russia in a Nato-controlled Ukraine as a permanent sword of Damocles over Moscow's head. And the current militant Ukie ideology makes any Russia-Ukraine friendship impossible.If the war continues in this way, it will end with a partially-destroyed rump Ukraine with much smaller population and industry, reduced military potential, not in Nato and only loosely affiliated with EU. Similar to how Bosnia and Kosovo ended up. The big loser will be the Ukrainians themselves - who the f..ck in Kiev thought that it was a great idea?Replies: @Sean
Putin playing chess with the pigeon (Obama).
James Clark Maxwell Telescope confirms phosphene on Venus:
https://www.space.com/venus-clouds-phosphine-evidence-debate
I suspect it is some unknown geological process, but it is disgraceful that NASA has no missions planned. An Electron only costs like $7.5 million. Send an iPhone there. They probably spend more on DIE officers.
Some believe NASA is in some kind of weird conspiracy to suppress evidence of even simple life, outside Earth, but I’ve never quite understood why, other then their strange incompetence in the matter.
Not entirely sure, but might be Netherlands current PM Rutte perhaps?
The big question for me is what is their goal for the city?
- Do they want to "flip it" and install a new government for the city and oblast? Hearts and minds.
- Do they simply want to demilitarize/de NAZIfy it? A practical military goal.
- Are they willing to destroy it? Make an example.
The worst case is all of the above. It is so close to the border I think they would want to flip it, but this may be a tall order since Kharkov had been made highly polarized against Russia prior to 2022.
Due to the location, I think it is more affordable for Russia to extensively destroy critical infrastructure to force capitulation. This is based on the notion that Kharkov is also easier to repair since it is closer to Russian industrial capabilities. If they hit the infrastructure as is expected in normal combat operations the troops including the 150K added manpower do not have to tiptoe the way they have been around Kiev, Dnipro and other places.Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack
There are different kinds of wars and we should understand how Russia sees it.
It is not a war of conquest – there are no rational reasons for Russia to occupy all of Ukraine (or Moldova 🙂 and the forces used are way too small. They also know they couldn’t permanently control it, so why bother? It is not a defensive war: to goal is to protect the Russians living in Donbas-plus, but Russia is not really at risk any longer – Nato has been pushed back for now.
IThe main goal of the war now is to drastically weaken Ukraine and reduce its military potential. That doesn’t require occupying Kiev or Kharkiv, and definitely not Lviv. Ukies are bleeding with no prospect of a win. The cruel but effective thing is to keep the war going.
The West has been cooperating – if they can’t have Ukraine as an anti-Russian military base, the next best thing is to make it irrelevant and useless. In that way Russia and the West now have similar strategies because for both the preferred solution is now impossible – the two sides effectively blocked each other.
Once Russia invaded there was no way to accomplish the previous Nato plan to create anti-Russia in a Nato-controlled Ukraine as a permanent sword of Damocles over Moscow’s head. And the current militant Ukie ideology makes any Russia-Ukraine friendship impossible.
If the war continues in this way, it will end with a partially-destroyed rump Ukraine with much smaller population and industry, reduced military potential, not in Nato and only loosely affiliated with EU. Similar to how Bosnia and Kosovo ended up. The big loser will be the Ukrainians themselves – who the f..ck in Kiev thought that it was a great idea?
That is indeed Washington’s plan, F16s and trained Ukrainian pilots for them could have been there a year ago.
It sees Russia being gradually brought to the realisation that it has got as much territory as it can get conventionally as the begining of one quite likely endgame; what Russia’s final move would be none can say. Putin himself does not know yet I suspect.
Hence the delay with long range precision weapons for Ukraine: Washington wants Putin in the right (ie disheartened) emotional state when he decides what to settle for. By the time Putin’s mindset has been moulded to Washington’s satisfaction, I think the war will have been going on for an additional–and attritional–two years. A great many of the men of Ukraine who fought in the army will be dead, and request for the West to pay for rebuilding Ukraine’s infrastructure and housing will be met by advice that Russia is the one liable for the damage. Many Ukrainian refugees in Europe will have learned to get by in another language and put down roots in countries which by comparison with Ukraine have generous social welfare programs and good yet virtually free healthcare. In short , Ukraine will have been wrecked, and be on a dismal demographic trajectory.
They leave out the point where they ignited the fuse on a bomb of self destruction of their fake and gay country, but otherwise an excellent summary.
It is very sad about all the dead and crippled young men but the people calling the shots are indifferent. Somebody at newsweek is taking weird drugs. This is not the only example in recent weeks.
Supporters of the withdrawal argued that it was a necessity in order to test and build a limited National Missile Defense to protect the United States from nuclear blackmail by a rogue state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_TreatyIt had nothing to do with being aggressive towards Russia. They wanted to build a defensive system against a state like North Korea and they were prevented from doing that by the ABM. That was back when Putin recognized the autonomy of Ukraine and also Crimea. A completely different time and it is Putin today that brags of developing nuclear torpedoes that can level Britain. He has not pushed for a reworking of the ABM. That type of non-nuclear anti-defensive missile system were placed in Poland. Defensive missiles exist on the Russian border. Saying it could "turn nuclear" is intellectually dishonest because that is already true for all kinds of military hardware that sits near the border. Russian grad systems can also "turn nuclear" if needed. Maybe next time pull up Wikipedia instead of calling people stupid because you're too lazy to read about a treaty the US left 20 years ago. ....declare that Ukraine will be in Nato in 2008?The US cannot authoritatively declare that Ukraine will be in NATO. It doesn't work that way which again shows that you and the dwarf don't seem to understand how the organization works. A US delegate declaring that Ukraine will be in NATO has no more authority than Luxemburg declaring that it will not be in NATO. They both have the same number of votes and it has to be unanimous. You are probably referring to a quote from 2008 from a single US politician who wanted Ukraine to join. That doesn't mean the US can overrule France, Germany or Turkey. I explained this last year and Putin's fanboys think Ukraine not qualifying for NATO is some recent revelation. The easiest way for Putin to keep Ukraine out of NATO was to keep the border contested which was the status quo. A full invasion was incredibly stupid but for some reason you are determined to defend what everyone can see was a colossal mistake. The invasion pushed previously neutral Finland and Sweden into joining. It has also pushed France and Germany towards the *possibility* of letting in Ukraine when they were publicly against the idea since 2014. I provided numerous quotes from both countries last year and Putin's fanboys still cling to this idea that Ukraine was about to join and Russia had no choice. That was a lie that Putin no longer maintains. When asked about Finland joining he literally said "it doesn't matter" which contradicts his original speech and primary reason for the war.Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow
You still didn’t answer the question of why would Nato drop the ABM Treaty, build missile bases in Poland, and attempt to move into Ukraine. All of that happened before the war started. Your silly nonsense about North Korea or “but Bush said…” – for God sake these people lie – and the other non-answers are for the birds.
Nobody with a 3-digit IQ takes your nonsense seriously. We also wouldn’t take it seriously if Russia dropped out of the ABM first, build “defensive” missile bases in Cuba, and sponsored a street revolution in Mexico to form a military alliance against US. It is exactly the same. The fact that you so desperately now deny it suggests that you lost and the plan is now unworkable, so to save face you deny that you ever wanted it. Right, whatever.
At least maintain some dignity, it is a sad spectacle for a failed imperialist.
It is very sad about all the dead and crippled young men but the people calling the shots are indifferent. Somebody at newsweek is taking weird drugs. This is not the only example in recent weeks.Replies: @Sean
The fuse was lit as soon as Ukraine left the Russian Federation. It was so unnecessary and yet sooo …
I don’t think so because whatever way you cut it, once Ukraine became a separate sovereign state it had very real mutually incompatible conflicts of security interest with Russia. There is no misunderstanding that led to the current war, on the contrary there was an inexorable growth of hostility that both peoples shared. Neither population wanted to compromise, and their leaders could not have even if they wanted to.
I work just across the street from this historic village of condos. Sometimes I have lunch at one of the restaurants, or just go for a nice cool walk through its courtyard. It reminds me of the biblical hanging gardens of Babylon. If it's not to your specifications, there are dozens of other places to chose from.Replies: @Beckow
That is a marketing video by Scottsdale real estate. Most of Phoenix looks much worse. Good for you that you escaped Phoenix, maybe your schadenfreude will keep you cool.
In the long run Phoenix with its bad weather, fast-growing Third World population and a lack of infrastructure is worse investment than anything by the Azov sea, but it will take some time. Until then you can have your old-man schadenfreude. And the tamales…
https://youtu.be/8rIDuIbN6NU
Seeing is believing!Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ
They should have made her an African, and then used pygmies.
It is not a war of conquest - there are no rational reasons for Russia to occupy all of Ukraine (or Moldova :) and the forces used are way too small. They also know they couldn't permanently control it, so why bother? It is not a defensive war: to goal is to protect the Russians living in Donbas-plus, but Russia is not really at risk any longer - Nato has been pushed back for now.IThe main goal of the war now is to drastically weaken Ukraine and reduce its military potential. That doesn't require occupying Kiev or Kharkiv, and definitely not Lviv. Ukies are bleeding with no prospect of a win. The cruel but effective thing is to keep the war going. The West has been cooperating - if they can't have Ukraine as an anti-Russian military base, the next best thing is to make it irrelevant and useless. In that way Russia and the West now have similar strategies because for both the preferred solution is now impossible - the two sides effectively blocked each other. Once Russia invaded there was no way to accomplish the previous Nato plan to create anti-Russia in a Nato-controlled Ukraine as a permanent sword of Damocles over Moscow's head. And the current militant Ukie ideology makes any Russia-Ukraine friendship impossible.If the war continues in this way, it will end with a partially-destroyed rump Ukraine with much smaller population and industry, reduced military potential, not in Nato and only loosely affiliated with EU. Similar to how Bosnia and Kosovo ended up. The big loser will be the Ukrainians themselves - who the f..ck in Kiev thought that it was a great idea?Replies: @Sean
Quite possibly.
The entire non-ethnic Russian population of the city as well as the rest of Ukraine thought it was worth a try to live as the Poles do now.
Phoenix is a very large city (5th largest in the US), and sure you can find some less than perfect neighborhoods in it, but a majority of it is quite livable. Here’s a video with 10 nice neighborhoods within Phoenix itself.
As I recall, the one and only time that you visited, you were joyriding around in a stupor, with a nasty hangover. It’s really not that bad?…
Seeing is believing!
Phoenix is the US's version of what Tashkent was for the Soviet Union, no? Just replace Central Asians with Latin Americans, who are roughly comparable other than different religions and the latter (their US version) being a bit more homicidal than the former are.
The big question for me is what is their goal for the city?
- Do they want to "flip it" and install a new government for the city and oblast? Hearts and minds.
- Do they simply want to demilitarize/de NAZIfy it? A practical military goal.
- Are they willing to destroy it? Make an example.
The worst case is all of the above. It is so close to the border I think they would want to flip it, but this may be a tall order since Kharkov had been made highly polarized against Russia prior to 2022.
Due to the location, I think it is more affordable for Russia to extensively destroy critical infrastructure to force capitulation. This is based on the notion that Kharkov is also easier to repair since it is closer to Russian industrial capabilities. If they hit the infrastructure as is expected in normal combat operations the troops including the 150K added manpower do not have to tiptoe the way they have been around Kiev, Dnipro and other places.Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack
Kharkiv has been high on the shopping list since the very beginning of this war. It’ a large and historic town with a large Russian speaking population too. Why hasn’t it already fallen? I mean it’s only about 30-40 miles from the Russian border. And all of those Russian speakers, that apparently don’t want to be a part of the Russian world? It managed to survive within Ukraine with late (but appreciated) military help from Kyiv. The people there today hate Russia for what its already done to Ukraine. It’s had a lot of time to strengthen its defenses. I don’t think that Russia will be able to finally subdue it.
If the Russian military makes a certain amount of progress in the South then controlling Kharkov might become pivotal.
If the war goes wrong and they need to set an example to get the Ukrainians to reject the West, then Kharkov would be one of the options, but it leaves a terrible painful scar close to the border. Much better to have that scar next to Poland.
These are the cold-hearted bloody decisions the Ukrainians stirred up by becoming a pawn against Russia.
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https://youtu.be/8rIDuIbN6NU
Seeing is believing!Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ
Need trip report from your favorite strip bar.
With your Ukraine contacts the managers probably give you VIP treatment.
THE CRAZY RUSSIAN - 8209 Pulaski Hwy, Rosedale, Maryland - Adult Entertainment - Phone Number - YelpReplies: @Mr. XYZ
You think Lithuania dodged a bullet?
Assuming America were to give Ukraine enough conventional arms to defeat Russia, that would leave Russia with an option, so why not give Ukraine nuclear weapons too, eh? Ukraine is the victim of a unprovoked and unjustified aggression so the moral imperative is help it we are ceaselessly told. But we are also being told that the aforementioned total commitment to Ukraine is going to prevent the West having to fight Russia in the future. Well it might but it also might result in us getting into an unnecessary shooting war with Russia. Remember that Nato / America have an astounding 100% record for predicting what Putin will be too scared of the US to do. One hundred percent wrong.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
I don’t frequent any, but this one looks like it would be right up your alley:
THE CRAZY RUSSIAN – 8209 Pulaski Hwy, Rosedale, Maryland – Adult Entertainment – Phone Number – Yelp
I think Kharkov is important because it is close to the border and as I understand it the city has significant Russian/Soviet and shared Ukrainian history. Much better to convert it to the new reality than destroy it. I think Russia has been careful about it for the same reason I often mention, they do not want to destroy it. They could easily destroy Kharkov’s air defenses and bomb it to the ground but that would be pointless and mean.
If the Russian military makes a certain amount of progress in the South then controlling Kharkov might become pivotal.
If the war goes wrong and they need to set an example to get the Ukrainians to reject the West, then Kharkov would be one of the options, but it leaves a terrible painful scar close to the border. Much better to have that scar next to Poland.
These are the cold-hearted bloody decisions the Ukrainians stirred up by becoming a pawn against Russia.
Many people think it would be nice living like the British royalty – we all have dreams – but they don’t start violent coups, try to expel or kill their minority neighbors, invite armed goons from across the world, demonize an ethnic group that 20-30% of the population has an affinity for. That was Maidan in summary…:)
Living like the Poles is not something sane people aspire to – or go to the extreme of bombing neighbors in Donbas to provoke a war.
Yes, arguably the US’s missile defense program in Eastern Europe under Bush was a mistake.
Kharkiv also has huge symbolic value due to it being the Ukrainian SSR’s first capital (1917-1934).
THE CRAZY RUSSIAN - 8209 Pulaski Hwy, Rosedale, Maryland - Adult Entertainment - Phone Number - YelpReplies: @Mr. XYZ
Is that a minor on the right? What’s she doing at a strip bar?
Sweden has turned into a very interesting case.
Sweden as a Neutral is a notion.
What Sweden did was to abandon any pretense of Neutrality.
On this issue we can also see how Sweden with an historical presence in the North Atlantic is barred from NATO by Turkey which is 85,000,000 Muslims. Add 7 million Turks residing in Germany. Constan…Istanbul of course is Europe’s Largest City. 15 million Muslims. They call the shots in NATO now.
Istanbul now calls the shots in NATO?...Replies: @Wokechoke
Minor…how can you tell?
And even if she is, how would I know?
It’s the”Crazy Russian” club after all. 🙂
Sweden as a Neutral is a notion.
What Sweden did was to abandon any pretense of Neutrality.
On this issue we can also see how Sweden with an historical presence in the North Atlantic is barred from NATO by Turkey which is 85,000,000 Muslims. Add 7 million Turks residing in Germany. Constan…Istanbul of course is Europe’s Largest City. 15 million Muslims. They call the shots in NATO now.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ
Sweden neutral?
Istanbul now calls the shots in NATO?…
Sweden did at least have a coastline in the Atlantic back before Norway split away.
Where is Turkey’s historical coast on the Atlantic?
https://youtu.be/8rIDuIbN6NU
Seeing is believing!Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ
An advantage of Phoenix is that it has few blacks. It’s just 7.1% black as of 2020.
Phoenix is the US’s version of what Tashkent was for the Soviet Union, no? Just replace Central Asians with Latin Americans, who are roughly comparable other than different religions and the latter (their US version) being a bit more homicidal than the former are.
Sweden as a Neutral is a notion.
What Sweden did was to abandon any pretense of Neutrality.
On this issue we can also see how Sweden with an historical presence in the North Atlantic is barred from NATO by Turkey which is 85,000,000 Muslims. Add 7 million Turks residing in Germany. Constan…Istanbul of course is Europe’s Largest City. 15 million Muslims. They call the shots in NATO now.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ
Turkey has already dropped its veto to Sweden’s NATO membership, as has Hungary.
We can joke about Moscow filling up with Muslims from Tartary I guess, but the punchline always has to be Istanbul being the biggest city in Europe with around 15 million Muslims in to.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
She’s short. That’s why I suspect that she might be a minor.
Istanbul now calls the shots in NATO?...Replies: @Wokechoke
Turkey is NATOs biggest military…in Eurasia. Yes, a nation of 85,000,000 Muslims gets to throw a spanner into the workings of NATO if it likes. They have 7 million Turks in Germany ready to cause a stink if they like.
Sweden did at least have a coastline in the Atlantic back before Norway split away.
Where is Turkey’s historical coast on the Atlantic?
One must ask the question about how Turkey got into NATO in the first place. 85,000,0000 Muslims in Turkey with around 7 million of them residing in Germany.
We can joke about Moscow filling up with Muslims from Tartary I guess, but the punchline always has to be Istanbul being the biggest city in Europe with around 15 million Muslims in to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_territorial_claims_against_Turkey
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Soviet_territorial_claims_against_Turkey_1945-1953.png/1280px-Soviet_territorial_claims_against_Turkey_1945-1953.png
Turkey likely feared that the USSR might eventually try acting on these territorial claims and thus wanted a near-guarantee to prevent this from ever happening. It succeeded.Replies: @Wokechoke
We can joke about Moscow filling up with Muslims from Tartary I guess, but the punchline always has to be Istanbul being the biggest city in Europe with around 15 million Muslims in to.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Turkey got into NATO because the USSR began making claims on its territory after WWII:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_territorial_claims_against_Turkey
Turkey likely feared that the USSR might eventually try acting on these territorial claims and thus wanted a near-guarantee to prevent this from ever happening. It succeeded.
You are writing like it's still the 1990s or early 2000s. Or maybe your contacts are all bitter people from the kresy.or their grandchildren.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
FWIW, a lot of people in the Recovered Territories are of Kresy (or should I say Kresowiak) descent:
Are Polish liberals (the people whom the Recovered Territories tend to vote for) less pro-Ukraine than Polish conservatives are?
I fully support anyone’s right to burn any religious book that they own just so long as it’s not a valuable historical relic/artifact:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/activist-balks-at-sweden-torah-burning-trying-to-draw-attention-to-quran-desecration/
If flag burning is perfectly legitimate, then so should religious book burning, however stupid and disrespectful both of these things might be!
I think that, for instance, burning the Mishnah Torah is especially fair game since it encourages bigotry and prejudice towards those people who have an “incorrect” Jewish lineage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_territorial_claims_against_Turkey
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Soviet_territorial_claims_against_Turkey_1945-1953.png/1280px-Soviet_territorial_claims_against_Turkey_1945-1953.png
Turkey likely feared that the USSR might eventually try acting on these territorial claims and thus wanted a near-guarantee to prevent this from ever happening. It succeeded.Replies: @Wokechoke
One has to wonder if the Greek ought not be given back Constantinople.
Is he LARPing as a cave man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypEaGQb6dJk&t=461s&ab_channel=ArtHistoryReplies: @Sher Singh
That country joined NATO in 2004, three years before Putin’s angry impromptu speech at the Munich Security Conference, where the prominent Americans in the front row laughed at him. Georgia did not dodge a bullet in 2008, and neither did Ukraine in 2014. It is puzzling why the subsequent Russian threats to full scale invade Ukraine were discounted.
Assuming America were to give Ukraine enough conventional arms to defeat Russia, that would leave Russia with an option, so why not give Ukraine nuclear weapons too, eh? Ukraine is the victim of a unprovoked and unjustified aggression so the moral imperative is help it we are ceaselessly told.
But we are also being told that the aforementioned total commitment to Ukraine is going to prevent the West having to fight Russia in the future. Well it might but it also might result in us getting into an unnecessary shooting war with Russia. Remember that Nato / America have an astounding 100% record for predicting what Putin will be too scared of the US to do. One hundred percent wrong.
why is that man walking around the airport with a huge spear?
Is he LARPing as a cave man?
The morale deficit explains why the Right loses
--Something I realized looking at all the seeth over Sikhs.Better summary of this:https://web.archive.org/web/20221218020401/https://sceptremag.com/2020/06/29/blm-good-alm-bad/The Left believes in its efficacy, The Right just wants equality.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Here is another good bit:
Tucker Carlson Confirms He NEVER took the WUHAN-19 VACCINE
Video Link
PEACE 😇
Is he LARPing as a cave man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypEaGQb6dJk&t=461s&ab_channel=ArtHistoryReplies: @Sher Singh
By signaling against white priv – the Rightoid implies he believes whites are not superior.
Liberals believe whites are supreme and need 2 make it easier for others.
This explains support for Ukraine.
The morale deficit explains why the Right loses
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Something I realized looking at all the seeth over Sikhs.
Better summary of this:
https://web.archive.org/web/20221218020401/https://sceptremag.com/2020/06/29/blm-good-alm-bad/
The Left believes in its efficacy, The Right just wants equality.
The morale deficit explains why the Right loses
--Something I realized looking at all the seeth over Sikhs.Better summary of this:https://web.archive.org/web/20221218020401/https://sceptremag.com/2020/06/29/blm-good-alm-bad/The Left believes in its efficacy, The Right just wants equality.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Have you read Bronze Age Mindset?
New York Times is in the gutter with Daily Mail now.Replies: @Dmitry
Because the EU has better consumer protection and liberty laws in this zone.
America’s public are often arguing about their freedom for owning gun, while more important usually conceptually complex kinds of freedom they don’t organized to protect. Also simple freedoms against ecology damaging things like pollution many Americans don’t organize to protect.
For example, the higher level of pollution in the American food supply seems to have very little organization against in the public.
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In relation to Threads’ compliance, it’s because they released it early, maybe inspired with the Zuck vs Musk cagefight marketing.
It’s released before many of the features are developed. They didn’t have time to do the compliance with a higher quality of the EU regulations.
If they have some more time now betatesting on the American consumers, have successful results, they surely will release the compliant version in the EU.
If they more depend from the online advertising, then all media will become clickbait. Media can be higher quality only if they still have people paying money, especially for the print version.
If people don’t pay for the media content, then the quality will decline as it has alternative income as the content just becomes clickbait and advertising.
One reason media was higher quality when the income was from the print version, instead of the internet version, it didn’t just respond to the clicks and views.
But it’s also likely using social media like Twitter has damaged the attention and intelligence of many of the journalists.
Many journalists were using Twitter, which would be a kind of toxic hazard of their working ecology, like traffic pollution for bus drivers or asbestos for miners.
Even aside from the negative health and noise effects of burning gasoline inside cities, it’s not politics and bad science. The conversion of the chemical energy to electrical energy to the mechanical is multiple times more efficiency by the power plant, electrical grid to the battery, then electric motor, in comparison to using the petrol inside the personal vehicle which has a very low conversion rate.
Also there is the different source of the chemical energy available for the power plant. Or even using different sources of energy.
Well, we know the automobile manufacturers can cheat e.g. Volkswagen was an example.
Also the filters which are added to diesel engines, don’t prevent release of microparticles. So anti-pollution regulations improve air control from point of view of the normal sized particles, but the release of the microparticles has not been reduced as a result of these regulations.
I’m not sure that’s true. Gasoline is extremely centralized, with very few producers in the country, even less of the oil refiners in the country. For example, in Russia it’s almost all government owned producers, completely at least indirectly controlled by government companies. Many countries don’t even have oil producers so they are dependent on foreign governments for the supply, sometimes even for refining of oil.
Then the transport and distribution of the oil is also through the central system.
Electricity is more decentralized and also diversified. With the falling of battery costs, a lot of people already are self-sufficient with electricity with things like Tesla powerwalls for their house. You can have solar roofs and wind turbine next to your house.
Although in terms of the software they are still often going more dependent with systems like the Tesla powerwall.
I would not see it as unfortunately. Although perhaps romantic in the 20th century American culture, they are not a very attractive place exactly in most countries, with the benzene they could be possibly the main source or indirect distributor of leukemia in America.
https://i.imgur.com/Rq5CmKO.png
Are Polish liberals (the people whom the Recovered Territories tend to vote for) less pro-Ukraine than Polish conservatives are?Replies: @Dmitry
Polish liberals are the more anti-racist, pro-EU people who are relatively pro-Ukraine. On the other hand, especially Polish conservatives are very anti-Ukraine. For those people, the agenda of PiS has been to categorize Ukraine as a perpetrator of genocide against the Polish people.
But this is in the context of the Polish culture which views Ukraine negatively, even liberals have some racist attitudes to the Ukrainians, as they view the nationality as a kind of variant of Russians with a local fascism.
Although I don’t think this would be sustainable now. Ukraine is destroying the mythological enemy of Poland since 2022. It is joining the EU and NATO is going to be the defense of the Southern Poland against Russia. There will be large quantity of military collaboration between Poland and Ukraine.
Ukraine is also source of the labor for Poland’s economy, so the relations with Ukraine are going to be prioritized by business. It will be a potential market for local Polish companies. When Ukraine joins the EU and becomes a more regulated and fair market, you could even imagine supermarkets in Poland could move into Western Ukraine. It’s possible a lot of the Polish business could begin to invest in the reconstruction projects in Ukraine. Even a lot of the European companies, are very large in Poland’s economy, will be participants of the reconstruction of Ukraine.
Agreed with the rest of your analysis here. I hope that remittances from Ukrainians within the EU along with large-scale post-war Western investment into Ukraine will help Ukraine recover from the war. Hopefully the West will have tight safeguards on its aid in order to prevent it or at least most of it from being looted. I think that the Ukrainian people themselves are aware of just how serious looting and corruption are of a problem in their country.
No one really wants to admit the near conclusive circumstantial evidence for Covid19 having come from a Chinese virology institute in Wuhan. Start vid at 2:53 —
Not the government or any scientists. Or Bill Gates who instead of being prescient about another SARRS type epidemic of zoonotic origin and the need for international scientific cooperation years beforehand, would be exposed as hysterically overdramatising the potential for another outbreak, and hence actually causing the Wuhan Institute to be given–through a non profit with a non threatening name–American federal government funds to do research on viruses of bats that live 1000 kilometers from Wuhan by altering those viruses to see how they could infect human cells, whereupon there was a terrifying pandemic orders of magnitude more communicable between humans that any known zoonotic contagion originally appearing in Wuhan of all places . We are dealing with a scientifically incompetent totalitarian state. And China is almost as bad!
With the electric transport and wind/solar energy, it’s the first time people really going self-sufficient in terms of energy since the later stage of the industrial revolution. It’s like returning to windmills.
The issue in this example, they aren’t going self-sufficient for the operation of this infrastructure in terms of using the proprietary Tesla software and solar tiles.
If you wanted to be relatively more self-sufficient also in terms of software and solar cells, you would need to use a less proprietary manufacturer. Also even with the car, people can’t fix the car in the garage and it depends on the software updates.
I have forgotten the details, but I recall the VW scandal was a farce.
Chinese mass production of solar cells pushed the cost of panels to very low prices. Places like Mr. Hack's Arizona will gradually become largely solar powered, but that will not work everywhere.Replies: @Mr. Hack
It was not his idea. He did it to signal his social responsibility to his kids who he raised to be libtards in cooperation with his wife and progressive society. It would have been a lot cheaper to buy some weights for his home gym and take up big dead lifts. : )
Thank you for posting that video. I like the part where he explains why he only did the one sector and 80% of his roof is not solar energy tiles.Replies: @Dmitry
I like solar generation and I like some electric cars. I have invested my time in a proprietary solar project and am very familiar with the basics. But I also like thermal power generation and internal combustion engines. Everything has its place. Modern gasoline engines are very clean and most of the added pollution controls in the past 20 years have been gilding the lily. I see the ever tightening regulations as part of planned obsolescence collusion between government and industry to sell new cars at higher prices. The issue of diesel cars is a bit different.
I have forgotten the details, but I recall the VW scandal was a farce.
Chinese mass production of solar cells pushed the cost of panels to very low prices. Places like Mr. Hack’s Arizona will gradually become largely solar powered, but that will not work everywhere.
Probably would be more prudent to wait and see if the Israeli backward rightoids actually succeed in repealing the Grandchild Clause of Israel’s Law of Return first, though. I strongly hope that they don’t. One wouldn’t want to give them ammo to justify such a move, after all. If they do do it, though, then Mishnah Torah burning should be perfectly fair game in response to this move of theirs!
The time for that was right after the end of WWI. Now it’s way too late. And in any case, Turkey is one of the most decent Muslim countries, so why penalize them by taking away their territories? The Armenian Genocide was 100+ years ago at this specific point in time.
Assuming America were to give Ukraine enough conventional arms to defeat Russia, that would leave Russia with an option, so why not give Ukraine nuclear weapons too, eh? Ukraine is the victim of a unprovoked and unjustified aggression so the moral imperative is help it we are ceaselessly told. But we are also being told that the aforementioned total commitment to Ukraine is going to prevent the West having to fight Russia in the future. Well it might but it also might result in us getting into an unnecessary shooting war with Russia. Remember that Nato / America have an astounding 100% record for predicting what Putin will be too scared of the US to do. One hundred percent wrong.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Fears of a repeat of Cuba 1962? Though I do agree with you that if Ukraine remains out of NATO, having it build its own nuclear deterrent would actually be a great idea. It probably has the necessary human capital for this.
I know exactly one person who did a solar power installation with a 20+ year break even projection. He was over 60 years old when he did it.
It was not his idea. He did it to signal his social responsibility to his kids who he raised to be libtards in cooperation with his wife and progressive society. It would have been a lot cheaper to buy some weights for his home gym and take up big dead lifts. : )
Thank you for posting that video. I like the part where he explains why he only did the one sector and 80% of his roof is not solar energy tiles.
I got the impression that Polish conservatives were eager to support Ukraine for their Intermarium project, though Yes, they also hope that Ukraine would tone down its Bandera worship due to his atrocities against western Ukrainian Poles. Interestingly enough, as a result of the current war, Ukraine will obtain a lot of better heroes so it won’t need to rely on Bandera’s problematic legacy as much for its national narrative anymore.
Do you think that Ukraine will also join NATO or merely strongly militarily cooperate with NATO while joining the EU in due time?
Agreed with the rest of your analysis here. I hope that remittances from Ukrainians within the EU along with large-scale post-war Western investment into Ukraine will help Ukraine recover from the war. Hopefully the West will have tight safeguards on its aid in order to prevent it or at least most of it from being looted. I think that the Ukrainian people themselves are aware of just how serious looting and corruption are of a problem in their country.
AFAIK, he’s staying put but might change his mind in the event that White Rex will ever acquire power in Russia.
1. Ukraine offensive causes a rout
2. Ukraine punches through the lines and embarrasses Russia
3. Russian public stops believing in Putin
4. Putin flees or is removed by coup
5. New Russian government negotiates a peace agreementNote that I am not saying this will happen. I am pointing out what is possible. The Russian public still believes Putin is playing 5d chess. Undermining that belief should be the main goal. Encourage demoralization and dissention behind the lines. Further reduce the quality of available conscripts. What they need is a Vietnam type situation where Russian men start turning against the state. Dictatorships are better undermined through their own people.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Russia is already enduring Vietnam-level casualties in Ukraine, no?
Another big difference is that Viet Nam is 7000 miles away from the USA and most people had little idea what we were doing there.
Ukraine is a fraternal brother country to Russia but now directed and armed by foreign powers. Ukrainian attacks and murders have occurred inside Russia.
Independently of any other details it isn't really hard to get Russians to fight in that scenario.
In terms of recruiting I think Russia is walking the line between "it's not too big a deal, we have it under control" on one side and a very jingoistic "All red blooded Russian men must join the fight for Rossiya." Following the latter course seems very easy at this point but is probably unnecessary. That sort of thing may carry the risk of unleashing some dangerous political maneuvering.Replies: @Mikhail
Possibly, though Ukraine is enduring WW2-level casualties 🙁
Another big difference is that Viet Nam is 7000 miles away from the USA and most people had little idea what we were doing there.
Ukraine is a fraternal brother country to Russia but now directed and armed by foreign powers. Ukrainian attacks and murders have occurred inside Russia.
Independently of any other details it isn’t really hard to get Russians to fight in that scenario.
In terms of recruiting I think Russia is walking the line between “it’s not too big a deal, we have it under control” on one side and a very jingoistic “All red blooded Russian men must join the fight for Rossiya.” Following the latter course seems very easy at this point but is probably unnecessary. That sort of thing may carry the risk of unleashing some dangerous political maneuvering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGoNNbnQmjg
This isn't the 1990s, yet Fukuy still pops up as some well respected intellect.Replies: @Mr. Hack
These leaked photos from Disney’s new Snow White film make me wish there was a Henry Rider Haggard version.
Of course, personally I would prefer pygmies, but, it would be funny if they called one of the dwarves “Sassy.”
The world's biggest ever dwarf weighed in:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/peter-dinklage-snow-white-disney-ableism-b2001640.htmlReplies: @songbird
Also, in regards to Anatoly Karlin’s theory about elite human capital, it’s worth noting that the US’s elite human capital was more opposed to US WWII entry before Pearl Harbor:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7v-IHIVEAAzlIz?format=jpg&name=4096×4096
The only partial exception to this rule is New York (due to all of the Jews there, perhaps, at least in part?), and even then, it was nowhere near as pro-war as most Southern and Western US states were back then.
Was US elite human capital simply wrong in regards to this specific issue? Or was it simply a case of them being more pragmatic, preferring to hedge their bets and not to needlessly sacrifice US lives on a cause that might still end up being futile? AFAIK, the USSR was expected to rapidly collapse in the event of a Nazi invasion, which didn’t happen but where predictions ended up massively diverging from reality. So, maybe the US’s elite human capital simply didn’t want to sacrifice many millions of American lives in order to defeat and destroy Nazi Germany? (But when the Soviets ended up being willing and able to do this, then US entry into WWII became much easier for the US’s elite human capital to accept. Just like nowadays US elite human capital is likely much more supportive of giving military aid to Ukraine than of having the West/NATO directly fight for Ukraine.)
US WWI-level casualties is more likely, though by the end of it all, Ukraine could see Italian or even US/UK WWII-level casualties. So could Russia, for that matter.
400K for Ukraine
50K for Russia
R.I.P.
Both could be 2X higher by the end.
Ukrainian civilian deaths are hard to gauge but could be mind numbing depending on the end game. I hope not.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Russia also had other demands, such as a withdrawal of NATO forces and equipment/infrastructure from Eastern Europe and an end to all Western military cooperation with Ukraine.
Of course, personally I would prefer pygmies, but, it would be funny if they called one of the dwarves "Sassy."Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
I concur Pygmies are great joke butts but I don’t see anybody sticking up for them and their future in Africa is bleak. On the wikipedia page they have real time ongoing cannibalism. That one might make a Black Lives Matter brain explode if you could get it to register.
The world’s biggest ever dwarf weighed in:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/peter-dinklage-snow-white-disney-ableism-b2001640.html
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7v-IHIVEAAzlIz?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
The only partial exception to this rule is New York (due to all of the Jews there, perhaps, at least in part?), and even then, it was nowhere near as pro-war as most Southern and Western US states were back then.
Was US elite human capital simply wrong in regards to this specific issue? Or was it simply a case of them being more pragmatic, preferring to hedge their bets and not to needlessly sacrifice US lives on a cause that might still end up being futile? AFAIK, the USSR was expected to rapidly collapse in the event of a Nazi invasion, which didn't happen but where predictions ended up massively diverging from reality. So, maybe the US's elite human capital simply didn't want to sacrifice many millions of American lives in order to defeat and destroy Nazi Germany? (But when the Soviets ended up being willing and able to do this, then US entry into WWII became much easier for the US's elite human capital to accept. Just like nowadays US elite human capital is likely much more supportive of giving military aid to Ukraine than of having the West/NATO directly fight for Ukraine.)Replies: @QCIC
Destruction of Germany probably set human progress back many decades. Maybe the EHC of the time weighted this factor more heavily than we do now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PaperclipReplies: @QCIC
KIA:
400K for Ukraine
50K for Russia
R.I.P.
Both could be 2X higher by the end.
Ukrainian civilian deaths are hard to gauge but could be mind numbing depending on the end game. I hope not.
The EU deal offered to Ukraine had military cooperation as a non negotable part of it. Expansion of NATO is both the self-determination of democratic states and a threat to Russian security interests. The pro Ukraine camp warn against any deal as giving Russia a chance to rest, refit and mount another invasion, but the war is never going to be willingly halted however briefly by Russia, because if it did Ukraine might formally join NATO. The Russians take that prospect far more seriously than is commonly realised.
A 15 year old boy in Haiti has the same life expectance as one of the same age born in Russia. But 60 years old is the cut off point for combat soldiers, and Russia is not running out of 50 somethings or vodka. Let us listen to what at the point that can be taken as his change in attitude to the West occurred, Putin started by complaining about (a few years later there was what he thought was Western inspired political unrest in Russia aimed at getting rid of him because he had ceased to play ball). Excerpt from Putin answers to questions after his impromptu speech at the 2007 Munich Security Conference.
Russia simply will not allow there to be any possibility of ABMs in Ukraine, because as the above speech shows the Kremlin know that their nuclear deterrent is already too close to being nullified by American technological advantages without bringing that day forward by permitting territorial advances as well.
https://twitter.com/SanatanArchive/status/1665301747504656386?s=20
400K for Ukraine
50K for Russia
R.I.P.
Both could be 2X higher by the end.
Ukrainian civilian deaths are hard to gauge but could be mind numbing depending on the end game. I hope not.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
I can’t believe that Ukrainian KIA are 8x the Russian total. That does not sound or look realistic … at all!
Source, please?
What if Ukraine will be formally neutral but successfully develop ABM technology on its own?
What exactly makes you so sure about this statement of yours? Germany nowadays still produces a lot of elite science and patents, after all, and this is decades after the creme de la creme of Germany’s cognitive elites moved to the US in the form of Operation Paperclip:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
400k UA KIA atm is existing just in pure Z-fantasy lalaland, but it’s just the second year ongoing in active conflict. Considering that Finland lost roughly 1,7 % of its all 1939 population while fighting USSR with some breaks, but still more or less continously during 39-44 in order to ensure survival of a country, so such possible comparable casualties (600k) are being quite possible in bit longer timeframe and understood very well in Ukraine, but survival of a country is still worth it in the bitter end.
As I recall, AK had a very strong attachment to the Black Hundreds movement. This was evident from photos he would include of books on the shelves within his personal library, and also photos and descriptions of trips taken to the local Black Hundreds bookstore/reading hall. It would be interesting to hear from the big man himself about his current relations with these folks, since his apparent 180 degree turn to the left?
I have forgotten the details, but I recall the VW scandal was a farce.
Chinese mass production of solar cells pushed the cost of panels to very low prices. Places like Mr. Hack's Arizona will gradually become largely solar powered, but that will not work everywhere.Replies: @Mr. Hack
You seem to mention every source of energy output except wind generation? Farmland in the Mid-West already was dotted with windmills some 20 years ago. I remember reading about a huge corridor that ran somewhere like Kansas through Texas that had incredible potential for generating this kind of energy, large scale. Don’t hear about it anymore?…
Palm Springs area. Quite impressive to see, especially for the first time. This photo actually doesn't convey the vastness of this project.Replies: @QCIC
Caifornians, as crazy as they are, seem to have hit on something good and are pioneers in the field of wind farming. Several huge farms can be found within the golden state:

Palm Springs area. Quite impressive to see, especially for the first time. This photo actually doesn’t convey the vastness of this project.
I think the large wind generation capacity was made possible by natural gas taking over the grid since those power plants adapt better to changing loads compared to coal plants.
Offshore wind may stay with us, unless a hurricane teaches people a lesson.
Another big difference is that Viet Nam is 7000 miles away from the USA and most people had little idea what we were doing there.
Ukraine is a fraternal brother country to Russia but now directed and armed by foreign powers. Ukrainian attacks and murders have occurred inside Russia.
Independently of any other details it isn't really hard to get Russians to fight in that scenario.
In terms of recruiting I think Russia is walking the line between "it's not too big a deal, we have it under control" on one side and a very jingoistic "All red blooded Russian men must join the fight for Rossiya." Following the latter course seems very easy at this point but is probably unnecessary. That sort of thing may carry the risk of unleashing some dangerous political maneuvering.Replies: @Mikhail
Interacting with svidos, neocons and neolibs has limits. They grasp at every possibility with overly stretched out imagination. They hyperventilated over the limited Wagner mutiny attempt and have since done so with another matter.
This isn’t the 1990s, yet Fukuy still pops up as some well respected intellect.
But don't worry Mickey, the job is yet to be completed. As long as it's a main route for Russian military supplies, why wouldn't it be targeted?
This Rafeiro do Alentejo dog in Portugal recently set a new record: 31 years.
Why is there no program to breed gaffer dogs?
The world's biggest ever dwarf weighed in:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/peter-dinklage-snow-white-disney-ableism-b2001640.htmlReplies: @songbird
IRL, Tyrion would have lost his nose due to syphilis, rather than a battleaxe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGoNNbnQmjg
This isn't the 1990s, yet Fukuy still pops up as some well respected intellect.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Unlike you, that has somehow managed to maintain a fresh and viable image? Sometimes, you really kill me, Mickey. 🙂
But don’t worry Mickey, the job is yet to be completed. As long as it’s a main route for Russian military supplies, why wouldn’t it be targeted?
Battle of the Nations
Spain Serbia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PaperclipReplies: @QCIC
The overall concentration of productive intelligence in Germany was unprecedented in my opinion. Some of the top minds were spread to other countries and created growth in high tech areas around the world after the war. But many less fortunate souls were killed or turned into worker bees or who knows what. Even the brightest lights who went to the USA and Russia could have been much more productive if they had remained in a cohesive German-speaking group.
Palm Springs area. Quite impressive to see, especially for the first time. This photo actually doesn't convey the vastness of this project.Replies: @QCIC
Onshore wind is a big deal at the moment, but I wonder if it will fade over time, maybe 30 years. In most places, solar is better in the sense that even if you don’t have storage the power availability suits the demand with more power generation and consumption during the day. Wind output doesn’t align with demand so well. If there is a lot of expensive storage this does not matter too much, but that is decades away. Eventually vast fields of solar panels will be quite an eyesore but nothing compared to wind turbines.
I think the large wind generation capacity was made possible by natural gas taking over the grid since those power plants adapt better to changing loads compared to coal plants.
Offshore wind may stay with us, unless a hurricane teaches people a lesson.
It was not his idea. He did it to signal his social responsibility to his kids who he raised to be libtards in cooperation with his wife and progressive society. It would have been a lot cheaper to buy some weights for his home gym and take up big dead lifts. : )
Thank you for posting that video. I like the part where he explains why he only did the one sector and 80% of his roof is not solar energy tiles.Replies: @Dmitry
This is the first time since the industrial revolution you can supply your energy endogenously without depending on society. At least in the recent time, going offgrid, was usually more associated to libertarians.
Excluding this, it’s a very cool situation to be able to make your own electricity from the light on your property, without depending on external suppliers.
Even if the economics is still not going to save money immediately. It’s like building a greenhouse to supply your food, instead of going to the supermarket, the cost of the greenhouse will not be balanced by the first year of vegetables.
The issue which is less utopian, is the proprietary software and solar cells. In this case, you lose dependence on the energy supplier, but you create new dependency to Tesla.
There would also be open source software and a way for ordinary people to build those systems. But the combination of amateurism and the chemically unstable lithium batteries is probably not a good idea for most people. Just with the building of battery packs, you can see most of the videos on YouTube don’t know how to follow safely basic rules of the electronics, those are people who think they know enough to instruct other people.
In a libertarian or prepper world the problem with off-grid solar power is that your lights tell the roving bands of freaks exactly where to find the last scrap of food.
A household solar installation needs complex software even less than a car does. I am not referring to self-driving cars.
Buy the right batteries: LiFePO if you can afford them or better yet, if you have the space go for NiFe.
I agree that the personal energy independence aspect of solar cells is amazing and largely unprecedented, though small-scale hydro and wind have been around a long time.
In a libertarian or prepper world the problem with off-grid solar power is that your lights tell the roving bands of freaks exactly where to find the last scrap of food.
A household solar installation needs complex software even less than a car does. I am not referring to self-driving cars.
Buy the right batteries: LiFePO if you can afford them or better yet, if you have the space go for NiFe.
They were sufficiently bright to learn the language of their new country, don’t you think?
Constantinople ought to be Greek. You are either a Jew, Muslim or a coward.
I think being ripped away from one’s friends and most of your family and then being coerced to work as a pariah in a foreign country probably reduced productivity. In my opinion, they still did good work under these circumstances because they were exceptional, but this does not mean they lived up to their full potential.
I’m not sure that they were really viewed as pariahs all that much in the US. In the USSR, though, they were probably more viewed as pariahs.
My notion that Paperclip Germans were pariahs in the USA is probably based on the influence of post-1960's holocaust memes. Nonetheless, I think Germans forcibly relocated to the USA after WW2 would have been less productive compared to hypothetical versions of themselves working away in 1938. Not to mention the productivity of all the dead ones was really low.
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Good point.
My notion that Paperclip Germans were pariahs in the USA is probably based on the influence of post-1960’s holocaust memes. Nonetheless, I think Germans forcibly relocated to the USA after WW2 would have been less productive compared to hypothetical versions of themselves working away in 1938. Not to mention the productivity of all the dead ones was really low.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/race-real-estate-oak-park-chicago/
I'm quite open about the fact that I prefer to live in areas with a single-digit black percentage. Any exceptions to this rule would need to involve exceptional blacks, such as Frisco, Texas, which is barely double-digit black but apparently has the smartest black students in the US, according to Steve Sailer. I do feel slightly bad about this but I simply acknowledge that my own safety comes first and that I prefer not to live in a gated community and probably wouldn't be able to afford to live in one anyway. (Though one of my dad's friends does live in a gated community. It's nice, but again, not exactly for me short of extreme desperation.) The EU or US or China or India can't fulfill this role, at least if it would have actually had the desire to do this? Their odds of success strike me as higher than for Russia since all of them have much more people relative to Russia, even relative to a Russia that would include both Ukraine and Belarus. (And in the case of the US, it is still capable of attracting high-quality immigrants well into the future.) That makes it even more pathetic for Russia, losing to a GAE-Lord (pronounced "gaylord").
As a side note, the EU can be a type of empire in its own right, a junior partner to the US but still a quite impressive world-empire. Some people in the EU do appear to have such a mentality:
https://twitter.com/europeanpan?lang=en
In any case, Pan-Europeanism is inherently more respectable than Russian nationalism since 500 million mostly high-quality people can achieve more than 200 million mostly high-quality people can, at least if they will put equal amounts of effort per person to the relevant tasks. Is AGI going to render network states moot as well? I suspect that Russia will use its nukes against China before giving up Vladivostok, let alone anything else. After all, having Russia use its nukes would have a chance of producing a Chinese retreat, while not having Russia use its nukes would make its nukes pretty much worthless and would guarantee a loss for Russia (though would also reduce the risk of MAD, unless of course the West and China decide to nuke each other on Russian territory, in which case Russia would be fucked).
BTW, China has almost 50 times Russia's total amount of elite science production, not just 50% more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Index
China produces slightly over 20% of the world's elite science while Russia produces slightly less than 0.45%.
BTW, Russia would have a higher-status position within Western civilization were it to join the EU, in which case its political influence there might be comparable to the Franco-Germans combined by virtue of its sheer population. Of course, as I previously said, breeding more, and especially high-quality, certainly helps improve Russia's relative position in the West. Russia's population disadvantage over China is something like 10:1. If Russia was a part of the West, though, then it could at least try playing off various Western countries against one another.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @John Johnson, @Ferraro1
If you see things as a Civilization game, and there’s merit in seeing things like that, then obviously the smart move for small countries is to join a civilizational bloc. There’s nothing degrading or bad about that, especially if you can maintain your particular language/culture at the same time, which countries in the Western bloc can. For example, countries in the Western bloc with elites who do not want open borders are able to control their borders, Japan being the example of minimal immigration, while Australia being an example of mass and selective immigration.
I think Karlin is just being prideful in rejecting the idea that Russia would be better off in the Western bloc. To be sure, the problem that brought us here is that Russia is not a small country, but neither is it a giant one. Russia is big enough to dream about empire and civilizational uniqueness, but not big enough to be an equal of the US and China, and this is compounded by the fact that Russia’s system historically, and today, has squandered the human capital of its population due to being too inefficient. Russia is not a Germany with extra people.
However, as you say, in an alternative history, where Russia joins the Western bloc, Russia would be in a very high-status position. In the EU, Russia could and probably would be the most important country in the bloc. So if your concern is atomic spaceship superstates, you could imagine the EU being just that, with Russia’s influence/contribution and even leadership. In fact, the EU and Russia had space missions together, now abandoned because of the war in Ukraine, so it seems that this war was a giant distraction and waste of resources. A better alternative would be for Russia to come to terms with its limitations, and work with its neighbors for the future atomic spaceship.
Most European countries have elite science per capita production that is much higher than Russia, so I don’t know why you would think that their top 5% would be duller. Perhaps Russia’s top 5% is duller, but more likely, Russia’s underdevelopment is the result of a severe failure in social coordination. All three East Slavic countries have economies that greatly underperform their PISA results. This problem seems to have been historic for the region. Generally, if a country is poor and dysfunctional, the human capital of its population is to blame, and yeah, that includes the elite, but the elite is drawn from the population, and blaming only the elite is just the politically correct thing to do. In the case of East Slavs, they really seem to have had a horrible case of elites historically, and their high human capital could be put to good use if they were to adopt better systems and get better elites.
Below the imported culture, there is unchanging across centuries local personality, local customs,, which never really influences the foreign clothings which were produced endogenously by a different peoples.The local culture in Russia was not less in the previous centuries when the population was many times smaller than today, so the recent population expansion with industrialization doesn't increase the uniqueness of the local culture. -*Sparta has a population of 20-30 thousand citizens, Florence in the Renaissance has a population of 50-60 thousand. Renaissance Florence has a population smaller than war city now of Bakhmut in Ukraine. -
** This is one of the reasons now the immigration situation seems unfair for Russians. Because of the cultural parent of the Russian people under age about 40, is America. Everyone has been raised by American culture, music is American, media is American, food is Americanized, management is from American concepts, shopping malls named after American cities. This Americanization even accelerated in the last ten years. But then the immigration policy becomes a lot more strict from Russia to immigrate to the West, which feels quite a contradiction as the population is now Westernized. Presidential candidate Prokhorov has promised this in 2012 and it would have seemed positive for Russia of course and it even seemed like a real promise. But a problem would have been, the depopulation of Russia, as the majority of the young people would have emigrated to Western Europe. Russia would become a territory without many young workers, as the majority of the population would emigrate from Russia to Europe. Why would you work in McDonald's in Russia, when income for working in McDonald's in London would be more than ten times higher, with better worker protection, medical access, standard of living, better ecology. Also, perhaps more important reason for the elite as they could import workers from Central Asia to replace the emigrants to Europe, because the information sharing, would have been disaster for the upper class in Russia, as it wouldn't be possible to clean money in Europe if they have information sharing. You would also have to think about the European side. United Kingdom does Brexit, partly because there is too much immigration from Poland, Romania, Latvia, etc. But from Russia there would be vastly more immigration to Western Europe, in comparison to those countries. Western Europe would become demographically Russianized and it's likely this could have political results of more Western Europe countries removing from the EU. With these kind of considerations, Prokhorov has been more of a kind of utopian vision, that would be to signal a pro-Western intention. Russia actually joining the EU, was less than Turkey, perhaps not more likely than Egypt joining the EU.
PISA is designed to indicate if the teachers are following the OECD’s educational ideas or not, by testing the 14-15 year old student, if you read PISA designers’ articles.
It probably doesn’t show something relevant for scientific results, because a lot of the educational concepts of the OECD are not matching those used in science or engineering. If you are training children to be successful in science or engineering, you wouldn’t use many of their concepts.
But the concepts they test for are more similar to in management or MBA classes, a lot is related to seeing unusual connections or understanding what the questioner wants, so it’s a kind of social test also.
The size of the country doesn’t likely have relation to the “civilizational uniqueness” or civilizational bloc.*
Russia has imported culture, which in the last 30 years becomes almost completely Western, with a little influence from South Korea and Japan.** In previous centuries, it was imported from Europe or also Eastern Mediterranean.
Below the imported culture, there is unchanging across centuries local personality, local customs,, which never really influences the foreign clothings which were produced endogenously by a different peoples.
The local culture in Russia was not less in the previous centuries when the population was many times smaller than today, so the recent population expansion with industrialization doesn’t increase the uniqueness of the local culture.
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*Sparta has a population of 20-30 thousand citizens, Florence in the Renaissance has a population of 50-60 thousand.
Renaissance Florence has a population smaller than war city now of Bakhmut in Ukraine.
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** This is one of the reasons now the immigration situation seems unfair for Russians.
Because of the cultural parent of the Russian people under age about 40, is America. Everyone has been raised by American culture, music is American, media is American, food is Americanized, management is from American concepts, shopping malls named after American cities.
This Americanization even accelerated in the last ten years. But then the immigration policy becomes a lot more strict from Russia to immigrate to the West, which feels quite a contradiction as the population is now Westernized.
Presidential candidate Prokhorov has promised this in 2012 and it would have seemed positive for Russia of course and it even seemed like a real promise.
But a problem would have been, the depopulation of Russia, as the majority of the young people would have emigrated to Western Europe. Russia would become a territory without many young workers, as the majority of the population would emigrate from Russia to Europe.
Why would you work in McDonald’s in Russia, when income for working in McDonald’s in London would be more than ten times higher, with better worker protection, medical access, standard of living, better ecology.
Also, perhaps more important reason for the elite as they could import workers from Central Asia to replace the emigrants to Europe, because the information sharing, would have been disaster for the upper class in Russia, as it wouldn’t be possible to clean money in Europe if they have information sharing.
You would also have to think about the European side. United Kingdom does Brexit, partly because there is too much immigration from Poland, Romania, Latvia, etc.
But from Russia there would be vastly more immigration to Western Europe, in comparison to those countries. Western Europe would become demographically Russianized and it’s likely this could have political results of more Western Europe countries removing from the EU.
With these kind of considerations, Prokhorov has been more of a kind of utopian vision, that would be to signal a pro-Western intention. Russia actually joining the EU, was less than Turkey, perhaps not more likely than Egypt joining the EU.
As best as I can tell, Russia has been building/training a reserve army for the past year. In the last few weeks this army has begun taking positions towards an offensive towards Kharkov. AFAIK, there is no official confirmation of this from the always opaque Kremlin but it's considered a given by all Russian war Telegram channels and some Ukrainian sources have also speculated about it as well. No. First of all, few, if any, of these troops are conscripts. They are a mixture of professional troops and reservists. Secondly, there will not be a direct assault on Kharkov ala Bakhmut. The plan is likely to encircle the Ukrainian troops in the Kharkov region. Before Russia can even attempt this, however, Russia needs to secure territory to the north of Bakhmut to be used as a launch point for an offensive. So I am predicting 2 separate offensives: the first, launched in late August and lasting about six weeks, an operation to expand Russian controlled territory north of Bakhmut via capturing some other small settlements; and the second, launched in December or January and likely lasting for months, to conquer the Kharkov obalast.
The first operation I expect to succeed. The second one I'm unsure about.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson
You must be confusing me with someone else. I think this war is a case of criminal aggression and I want it ended yesterday. I admit that I want to see US eat a gigantic L but not at the price of so much suffering nor am I willing to sacrifice Ukrainian sovereignty (although I’m absolutely willing to see Ukraine’s borders substantially shrunken and I oppose Ukraine getting back Crimea and the far eastern regions).
So you believe in giving the aggressive side a consolation prize for mass murder. That is what Putin wants. He is hoping to walk away with LPR/DPR and Crimea at this point. He no longer cares about Odessa given that he just bombed it. Not a way to win over the locals. Some real fine PR work by the way. Nothing wins over world opinion like bombing a church.
So I am predicting 2 separate offensives: the first, launched in late August and lasting about six weeks, an operation to expand Russian controlled territory north of Bakhmut via capturing some other small settlements; and the second, launched in December or January and likely lasting for months, to conquer the Kharkov obalast.
I have no doubt that Putin fantasizes about launching his own operation uranus and showing his subjects that he is in charge of the battleground.
But with what? T-55s and conscripts? Does he have enough BMPs to move 150k men? Or are they going to pile into Ladas and drive across the country?
The better move is to fake a mounting offensive and draw in Ukrainians. He is most likely doing a conscript shuffle. Put helmets on conscripts and criminals to make it look like he is readying attack. My guess is that he would listen to his generals at this point and they are not going to suggest an offensive until they truly believe that Ukraine is exhausted.
But it’s entirely possible that he will demand an offensive just as Hitler did after losing Stalingrad. I simply don’t see how a 150k man offensive would work when they are sending out T-55s. Are we to believe they have a secret reserve of BMPs?
Russia has plenty of upgraded T72s, along with T90s. Kiev regime doesn’t come close to having such.
U.S. Sending More $$ to Ukraine w/Tony Shaffer fmr CIA
https://geopoliticalfutures.com/russias-ruble-is-weakening-again/
Russia has plenty of upgraded T72s, along with T90s. Kiev regime doesn’t come close to having such.
Then why would they pull T-55s from storage? Retro style?
Same question for classic AK-47s seen on Russian POWs. Were all the AK-74s sold to Arabs in the 90s?
Everything is going just fine conscripts, and here is your retro AK. You will have to find your own camo and med kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec5zYNMM4oUReplies: @John Johnson
Another episode of Judging Freedom where the judge doesn’t ask any real questions.
Freedom for Americans to criticize the government but not Ukrainians. The judge thinks they should be serfs to a dwarf and his totalitarian state…. in the name of peace and Republican isolation. He talks of costs but doesn’t mention that the bulk of the aid is in mothballed military hardware.
His guest claims the Russians are outproducing the West by 10 : 1. 10x more production of what? Certainly not food or rifles given the recent videos of Russian POWs. Where is the data? He also claimed they have worked around the sanctions. So a falling Ruble and a massive cut into oil profit is working around the sanctions?
Their entire discussion was data free. Here is some actual data:
Russia’s Ruble Is Weakening Again
https://geopoliticalfutures.com/russias-ruble-is-weakening-again/
Says who? If so, for backup and training. Nothing dramatic. Kiev regime and collective West are the ones lacking and losing.
Russian POWs with Kiev regime Western mass media editing. Much like the farce that they were attacking with shovels on account of not having shooting armaments.
Ruble isn’t failing with the IMF even acknowledging that Russia’s economy is outperforming the UK’s and Germany’s since 2/24/22. Of course, one can find BS to the contrary.
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USDMust be that multi-polar world I heard about.Replies: @Mikhail
Says who? If so, for backup and training. Nothing dramatic. Kiev regime and collective West are the ones lacking and losing.
Why would they train tank crews in a T-55 if they have plenty of T-72s?
Kiev regime and collective West are the ones lacking and losing.
The Western tanks haven’t arrived. So we could actually see an M1 take on a T-55.
The Bradley machine gun in fact could disable a T-55.
I posted a video of conscripts on the front being given blue and violet (wtf??) food and you are confident they don’t have supply problems with their tanks. They’re just pulling hundreds of T-55s for training.
Right.
Ruble isn't failing with the IMF even acknowledging that Russia's economy is outperforming the UK's and Germany's since 2/24/22. Of course, one can find BS to the contrary.Replies: @John Johnson
Russian POWs with Kiev regime Western mass media editing. Much like the farce that they were attacking with shovels on account of not having shooting armaments.
Yea I’m sure it is all Western propaganda comrade.
Just like the video of consripts being told to find tampons for bullet wounds. Or the rusty AK-47s. Or the fishing boots. Or the mismatched camo. Or the fake body armor.
All lies I’m sure. Russia has a history of taking extra special care of their frontline troops.
Since you are Russian can you tell us what the blue food would be? What food is smurf blue?
Ruble isn’t failing with the IMF even acknowledging that Russia’s economy is outperforming the UK’s and Germany’s since 2/24/22. Of course, one can find BS to the contrary.
Ruble is down YTD.
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USD
Must be that multi-polar world I heard about.
Kiev regime militarily weaker than prior to 2/24/22. The opposite for Russia. Neocon,neolib, svido version of Baghdad Bob propaganda aside, collective West economic punishment has clearly backfired.Replies: @John Johnson
T-55s are still used in a very secondary role which then gets bloated into something different for the purpose of creating a false image. Kiev regime wishes it had the number of T-55s that Russia has along with a healthy number of T-90s and upgraded T-72s.
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USDMust be that multi-polar world I heard about.Replies: @Mikhail
Keep piling on the BS when its the Kiev regime using press gangs to get new combatants along with throwing their forces in the open as they become cannon fodder.
Kiev regime militarily weaker than prior to 2/24/22. The opposite for Russia. Neocon,neolib, svido version of Baghdad Bob propaganda aside, collective West economic punishment has clearly backfired.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-says-ukrainian-attacks-intensify-as-kyiv-touts-steady-gains/ar-AA1erem3Scott Ritter says the counter-offensive is over (1 month ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOvNOdQ7XDcWho is correct? Ritter or Putin?You'll never do enough damage control to change how the world views Russians. Might as well quit now or change your name. https://meme-generator.com/wp-content/uploads/mememe/2020/11/losers-269830-1.jpgPutin has taken the world view of the Russian military back to Tannenberg. Well done dwarf.Replies: @Mikhail
Kiev regime militarily weaker than prior to 2/24/22. The opposite for Russia. Neocon,neolib, svido version of Baghdad Bob propaganda aside, collective West economic punishment has clearly backfired.Replies: @John Johnson
Kiev regime militarily weaker than prior to 2/24/22. The opposite for Russia. Neocon,neolib, svido version of Baghdad Bob propaganda aside, collective West economic punishment has clearly backfired.
What are you saying is propaganda? The videos smuggled by Russian conscripts? Everything is fine comrade?
That’s rich coming from someone who continually quotes the same 3 bootlickers (Ritter, MacGregor, Larry Johnson).
Putin says that the counter-offensive has intensified (8 hours ago)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-says-ukrainian-attacks-intensify-as-kyiv-touts-steady-gains/ar-AA1erem3
Scott Ritter says the counter-offensive is over (1 month ago)
Who is correct? Ritter or Putin?
You’ll never do enough damage control to change how the world views Russians. Might as well quit now or change your name.

Putin has taken the world view of the Russian military back to Tannenberg. Well done dwarf.
Tannenberg saved Paris. Along with Danny Davis, Brian Berletic and Mark Sleboda - Ritter, Macgregor and Johnson are more reliable than Petraeus, Keane and Hodges.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-says-ukrainian-attacks-intensify-as-kyiv-touts-steady-gains/ar-AA1erem3Scott Ritter says the counter-offensive is over (1 month ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOvNOdQ7XDcWho is correct? Ritter or Putin?You'll never do enough damage control to change how the world views Russians. Might as well quit now or change your name. https://meme-generator.com/wp-content/uploads/mememe/2020/11/losers-269830-1.jpgPutin has taken the world view of the Russian military back to Tannenberg. Well done dwarf.Replies: @Mikhail
Dwarf Zelensky has done much worse. I post a wide range of sources including svido, neocon, neolib ones. Doesn’t mean that I agree all the time with any of them.
Tannenberg saved Paris. Along with Danny Davis, Brian Berletic and Mark Sleboda – Ritter, Macgregor and Johnson are more reliable than Petraeus, Keane and Hodges.
To me it is spectacularly clear that these types don’t really care about the human consequences of their actions. Their goal is to defeat their military foe across the ocean and if that requires some dozens or hundreds of Ukrainian children dying through their choice of military aid, it doesn’t concern them too much.
Russia considers cluster ammo to be fair game so I don’t see why the moral question of the Ukrainians. They are fighting a defensive war and need every advantage they can get.
Russians have been using cluster ammunition from day one so I don’t see why you view this as a moral paradox for Ukraine.
If you were in a defensive fight for you life you would grab any tool available.
US personnel mines are actually designed to deteriorate. I would actually like to see more data on US cluster shells. Would they actually survive a Ukrainian winter?