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— Ron Unz

 
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  1. A123 says: • Website

    Eight helpful tips on how to beat the Fake Stream Media at home & abroad. #2 and #3 are particularly notable: (1)

    2. Don’t Call Media ‘Mainstream,’ Call Them What They Are

    The more partisan the big names in media like The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, and their ilk become, the more inaccurate it is to call them “mainstream.” Call them the corporate media, the propaganda press, legacy media, or use DeSantis’ nickname for them: “smear merchants.”

    3. You Catch More Flies With Wit than Boring Press Releases

    DeSantis took notes from former President Donald Trump’s penchant for cutting through forgettable politician-speak and leaning into one-liners and comebacks. A witty line will help people remember what you said, and that’s not limited to media interactions.

    Just look at the cheeky memo DeSantis put out Tuesday [[MORE]] recognizing Emma Weyant, who placed directly behind male swimmer Lia Thomas, as the rightful winner of the NCAA 500-yard freestyle. It’s far more memorable — and therefore, effective — than a whiny, boring press release. Well-placed snark cuts through the cloud of media lies and signals that you won’t play their game.

    The way to defeat the ‘authoritarian liberalism’ of Globalists Brussels and WEF Davos is to confront it.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/23/8-lessons-from-the-ron-desantis-school-of-dominating-the-corrupt-media/

    [MORE]

  2. • Replies: @A123
    @sher singh

    Are you really surprised by such reporting from The New York Dhimmi Times of Islam?

    Smearing Indian Hindus and Sikhs is part & parcel of their Taqiyya duty to bolster the Muslim occupation of Kashmir. If the Dhimmi Times gets a story right, you can be reasonably sure it is purely by accident.

    PEACE 😇

  3. Azerbaijan is not backing down and Armenia is too weak to fight them on their own.

    The optimistic case for restraining Azerbaijan is that unlike in 2020 when the West was neutral and Russia was in a mood to punish Armenia for their insolence, there is now unity among the major powers that this is a Bad Thing™.

    The pessimistic case is that even if this crisis resolves itself, the cease-fire agreement will lapse in a few years anyway, after which it will be free hunting season for Azerbaijan once more. Doesn’t look too bright for Armenia.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Thulean Friend


    https://twitter.com/svembu/status/1508069262543716355?s=20&t=YVgcZjwOBtJHpoL9xo-7Aw

    https://twitter.com/OSINT_Insider/status/1507760808348233733?s=20&t=YVgcZjwOBtJHpoL9xo-7Aw

    , @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend


    bright for Armenia
     
    Their conflict is not in legal territory of Armenia (unless in the future there would be fighting for a Nakhchivan corridor), but in Karabakh, which Armenian has settlers in and Armenians have invested a lot in.

    It's like a conflict located in the West Bank, between Israel and Jordan. It's not a conflict in Armenia itself, so their situation in war with Azerbaijan, would not be as dangerous to their sovereignty as what happens in Ukraine.

    Probably Armenia's strategic problem is more that the country itself depopulates, than they would lose the settlements in Karabakh. A country with a falling population, is more in danger from the depopulation in its legally recognized territory. Although at least this year, they will be receiving a lot of immigration from Russia and Ukraine, including a lot of educated people from Russia. Georgia is also being flooded with Russian immigration.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  4. A123 says: • Website

    From previous OT

    Who wrote Biden’s speech where he mentioned “regime change?”

    Despite the subsequent retraction, this phrase appears to have been planned & scripted. Those who could see the display side of the teleprompter verify the presence of the offending language: (1)

    Those hopes collapsed when the muttering nutter rambled through 20 minutes of incoherent jibberish only to encapsulate the speech with the call for Russian regime change at the end, “for God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.”

    Also, don’t believe the nonsense about those being ‘off-the-cuff‘, or ‘ad-libbed ‘ remarks either. They were written into the teleprompter, and he read them (go look). White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain is trying to cover up his own ineptitude by claiming his boss ad-libbed those statements. He didn’t.

    I doubt that a specific speechwriter can be identified. The whole thing comes off as an amateurish attempt at “good cop, bad cop”.

    Remember, the goal of the Elite WEF is exacerbating the conflict as long as possible. They do not want a ‘winner’ they want the maximum number of refugees to bolster their Open Borders / Great Replacement effort.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/27/nbc-poll-most-believe-biden-to-blame-for-inflation-60-percent-disapprove-of-handling-of-economy-and-71-percent-no-confidence-in-biden-foreign-policy/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    From what I've seen, it doesn't look like it would be something easy to read.

    As you alluded to, the front of the glass is unreadable (related to a technology called a "beam splitter") He was using two panes, one on each side, but at an angle.

    Several people walked behind him, along one side, but at quite a distance, and I believe they were security. I didn't see the moment in question, but I did not notice anyone standing, but brisk walking, as if they were making it a point not to look at him.

    Replies: @A123

  5. A123 says: • Website
    @sher singh
    https://twitter.com/Parikramah/status/1508439918103695368?s=20

    Replies: @A123

    Are you really surprised by such reporting from The New York Dhimmi Times of Islam?

    Smearing Indian Hindus and Sikhs is part & parcel of their Taqiyya duty to bolster the Muslim occupation of Kashmir. If the Dhimmi Times gets a story right, you can be reasonably sure it is purely by accident.

    PEACE 😇

  6. @Thulean Friend
    Azerbaijan is not backing down and Armenia is too weak to fight them on their own.

    https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1508078342947356672

    The optimistic case for restraining Azerbaijan is that unlike in 2020 when the West was neutral and Russia was in a mood to punish Armenia for their insolence, there is now unity among the major powers that this is a Bad Thing™.

    The pessimistic case is that even if this crisis resolves itself, the cease-fire agreement will lapse in a few years anyway, after which it will be free hunting season for Azerbaijan once more. Doesn’t look too bright for Armenia.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry

    [MORE]

  7. china-russia-all-the-way says:

    “Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings”

    While tactical nuclear weapons could trigger bigger and more powerful strategic weapons in response, Mr. Kristensen said it wouldn’t mean immediate all-out nuclear war.

    “I don’t think it’s likely to expect an automatic, super-rapid escalation to all-out,” he said. “Both sides will want to look for ways to keep it limited because they both know full well what the consequences are of full escalation.”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.

    https://archive.ph/XKDq2

    Western analysts are doing a lousy job of shedding light on realistic scenarios for nuclear war. It’s hard to imagine Russia starting a nuclear war by using tactical nukes in Ukraine. Russia would not because it is far from running out of choosing even more devastating conventional firepower. It seems like most Western analysts even have the view of Russia as in danger of retreating and unable to repel strengthening Ukrainian counterattacks. That’s the impression I get from their wrong analysis of a nuclear war in Ukraine. It is a remarkable show of the power of a month of Twitter information and narrative dominance in distorting even expert perceptions.

    Another downside of bad analysis of nuclear war scenarios is the lack of guidance for policymakers in understanding the consequences of escalation. I think the most obvious scenario for nuclear war is NATO intervention leading to the use of a tactical nuclear weapon in Poland. If this scenario and cause and effect were widely discussed it would dampen the current pro-war climate of providing fighters/getting into an air war/sending ground troops. Maybe for that reason, Western analysts are providing bad takes with the desire of not standing in the way of pro-war enthusiasm.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I just can't see direct NATO intervention. Europeans won't fight and while the US Deep State would love to put troops in Ukraine, the US public would never stand for it. Also I don't think that the current woke US military is capable of conducting successful combat operations.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Ron Unz
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    WSJ: “Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.
     
    I've seen those same "expert" opinions quoted in the MSM, and they don't seem to make any sense.

    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia's important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.

    As far as I can tell, Russia's anti-missile defense systems are top quality, and they could probably shoot down all our old-fashioned cruise missiles. Meanwhile, their hypersonics seems to be completely unstoppable.

    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he'll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there's absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.

    Instead of arguing about stupid videos of individual tanks getting blown up, I think this is a much more important topic to consider. Is there any evidence that Ritter and the others who make this claim are incorrect?

    Fortunately, entirely contrary to our MSM propaganda, Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn't want to risk nuclear war. But given what seems to be Russia's clear conventional superiority, our very bad and provocative behavior over the last few years in Ukraine is dangerously crazy. But since everyone knows that America's leaders are crazy about so many other things, why should this be surprising?

    Replies: @utu, @Old Brown Fool, @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

  8. GDP Growth between (2008-2021)

    Greater China (🇨🇳🇲🇴🇭🇰) a 258.046% increase.

    India a 141.803% increase.

    South East Asia/ASEAN a 101.818% increase.

    European Union a 4.97849% increase.

    The European Union will decline after this crisis and then stagnate.

    Germany will not end up overtaking Japan’s economy despite of the Three Lost Decades.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Blinky Bill

    That Europe and Canada have managed to stagnate since 2008 with no political upheaval shows that there is no hope whatsoever for those countries.

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Blinky Bill


    The European Union will decline after this crisis and then stagnate.
     
    The stagnation already happened after 2008 GFC and the 2011 eurozone crisis.

    https://i.imgur.com/RD7WPxT.png

    These numbers are in US dollars. The euro was overvalued leading up to 2008 and the dollar undervalued, which can partly explain why the stagnation happened: there had to be an adjustment. As an aside, the dollar being undervalued in early 2000s may sound counter-intuitive given how wide American trade deficits were, but that was largely a function of an even more undervalued Yuan.

    The 2010s saw a re-alignment for both of these currencies, which depressed EU GDP. Now the opposite argument can be made: America's gigantic trade deficits are partly a function of an overvalued greenback whereas Europe has consistent trade surpluses.

    That being said, Europe's willingness to throw away its economic well-being to pursue a costly and ultimately foolish US-led proxy war in Ukraine doesn't portend well for the continent. You cannot have prosperity if you do not have independence of action.

  9. I watched Lira’s Nuland video. Some of his videos are terrible. I learned in this one:

    Nuland’s father was a brilliant accomplished man. He was so depressed when she was a teenager he had 1970’s-era electroshock treatment. The amps and volts they were using then made this a desperation move. Her grandfather was born in Russian empire and fled pogroms. This family is extremely messed up. She wants to destroy Russia.

    Fortunately for them she inherited her mother’s brains.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherwin_B._Nuland

    Also I looked up her husband. The couple could have a combined three digit Body Mass Index.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It’s crazy that our foreign policy is controlled by these people.

  10. @A123
    From previous OT

    @songbird

    Who wrote Biden’s speech where he mentioned “regime change?”

     
    Despite the subsequent retraction, this phrase appears to have been planned & scripted. Those who could see the display side of the teleprompter verify the presence of the offending language: (1)

    Those hopes collapsed when the muttering nutter rambled through 20 minutes of incoherent jibberish only to encapsulate the speech with the call for Russian regime change at the end, “for God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.”

    Also, don’t believe the nonsense about those being ‘off-the-cuff‘, or ‘ad-libbed ‘ remarks either. They were written into the teleprompter, and he read them (go look). White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain is trying to cover up his own ineptitude by claiming his boss ad-libbed those statements. He didn’t.
     
    I doubt that a specific speechwriter can be identified. The whole thing comes off as an amateurish attempt at "good cop, bad cop".

    Remember, the goal of the Elite WEF is exacerbating the conflict as long as possible. They do not want a 'winner' they want the maximum number of refugees to bolster their Open Borders / Great Replacement effort.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/27/nbc-poll-most-believe-biden-to-blame-for-inflation-60-percent-disapprove-of-handling-of-economy-and-71-percent-no-confidence-in-biden-foreign-policy/

    Replies: @songbird

    From what I’ve seen, it doesn’t look like it would be something easy to read.

    As you alluded to, the front of the glass is unreadable (related to a technology called a “beam splitter”) He was using two panes, one on each side, but at an angle.

    Several people walked behind him, along one side, but at quite a distance, and I believe they were security. I didn’t see the moment in question, but I did not notice anyone standing, but brisk walking, as if they were making it a point not to look at him.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    To me, the idea that it was intentionally on the teleprompter to deliberately generate a "news cycle" makes the most sense.

    However, if you insist on the gaffe excuse... That gets quite amusing.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/dana_loesch_joe_biden_leon_panetta_irish_03-28-2022.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  11. Epic irony

    I never thought that thugs of the Azov battalion could have “officiality”.

  12. @Thulean Friend
    Azerbaijan is not backing down and Armenia is too weak to fight them on their own.

    https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1508078342947356672

    The optimistic case for restraining Azerbaijan is that unlike in 2020 when the West was neutral and Russia was in a mood to punish Armenia for their insolence, there is now unity among the major powers that this is a Bad Thing™.

    The pessimistic case is that even if this crisis resolves itself, the cease-fire agreement will lapse in a few years anyway, after which it will be free hunting season for Azerbaijan once more. Doesn’t look too bright for Armenia.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry

    bright for Armenia

    Their conflict is not in legal territory of Armenia (unless in the future there would be fighting for a Nakhchivan corridor), but in Karabakh, which Armenian has settlers in and Armenians have invested a lot in.

    It’s like a conflict located in the West Bank, between Israel and Jordan. It’s not a conflict in Armenia itself, so their situation in war with Azerbaijan, would not be as dangerous to their sovereignty as what happens in Ukraine.

    Probably Armenia’s strategic problem is more that the country itself depopulates, than they would lose the settlements in Karabakh. A country with a falling population, is more in danger from the depopulation in its legally recognized territory. Although at least this year, they will be receiving a lot of immigration from Russia and Ukraine, including a lot of educated people from Russia. Georgia is also being flooded with Russian immigration.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry


    Their conflict is not in legal territory of Armenia, but in Karabakh, which Armenian has settlers in and Armenians have invested a lot in.
     
    I'm well aware of that.

    Azeris breaking the agreement in such a blatant manner is a prestige defeat for Russia. Moscow now has a strong incentive to enforce the cease-fire agreement, because otherwise it will send a signal to other states that it's too weak to enforce potential truces/agreements in the future. Thereby reducing its credibility.

    So Russia, in this sense, has a stronger incentive to enforce peace than it had in 2020. In addition, the West is no longer on the fence. That's my "optimistic" case.

    Aliyev clearly calculated that Russia being distracted in Ukraine would allow for an escalation. We will see shortly if that gamble was correct.

    Although at least this year, they will be receiving a lot of immigration from Russia and Ukraine, including a lot of educated people from Russia.
     
    How many of those Russians are going to stay? Appears to be a temporary phenomenon. People generally don't like to emigrate to poorer countries. Some may be digital nomads who may prefer a cheaper cost of living, but I'd assume they wouldn't want to stay around for the long term, especially once/when the situation in Russia calms down. If not, there are plenty of 1st world countries who would want their services. ACX Open Threads are full of offers.

    Probably Armenia’s strategic problem is more that the country itself depopulates, than they would lose the settlements in Karabakh.
     
    Hard to see how Armenia can hold on to that territory once the cease-fire agreement formally ends in a few years - assuming Aliyev will be stopped this time around, which is far from clear.

    For whatever reason, Armenians lack what the Palestinians call sumud; an almost fanatical attachment to their land despite overwhelming odds. They prefer to flee like cowards, preferably abroad. Such a people will not have a bright future.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they end up like Assyrians or other stateless peoples. Then again, is it in Russia's interest for Armenia to be wiped off the map? It's not clear to me. Perhaps that is their best shot: become a vassal in all but name to the RF. But the price that Moscow can extract from such an arrangement could be steep: look at its current expectations of Chechens to fight its wars.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  13. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend


    bright for Armenia
     
    Their conflict is not in legal territory of Armenia (unless in the future there would be fighting for a Nakhchivan corridor), but in Karabakh, which Armenian has settlers in and Armenians have invested a lot in.

    It's like a conflict located in the West Bank, between Israel and Jordan. It's not a conflict in Armenia itself, so their situation in war with Azerbaijan, would not be as dangerous to their sovereignty as what happens in Ukraine.

    Probably Armenia's strategic problem is more that the country itself depopulates, than they would lose the settlements in Karabakh. A country with a falling population, is more in danger from the depopulation in its legally recognized territory. Although at least this year, they will be receiving a lot of immigration from Russia and Ukraine, including a lot of educated people from Russia. Georgia is also being flooded with Russian immigration.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Their conflict is not in legal territory of Armenia, but in Karabakh, which Armenian has settlers in and Armenians have invested a lot in.

    I’m well aware of that.

    Azeris breaking the agreement in such a blatant manner is a prestige defeat for Russia. Moscow now has a strong incentive to enforce the cease-fire agreement, because otherwise it will send a signal to other states that it’s too weak to enforce potential truces/agreements in the future. Thereby reducing its credibility.

    So Russia, in this sense, has a stronger incentive to enforce peace than it had in 2020. In addition, the West is no longer on the fence. That’s my “optimistic” case.

    Aliyev clearly calculated that Russia being distracted in Ukraine would allow for an escalation. We will see shortly if that gamble was correct.

    Although at least this year, they will be receiving a lot of immigration from Russia and Ukraine, including a lot of educated people from Russia.

    How many of those Russians are going to stay? Appears to be a temporary phenomenon. People generally don’t like to emigrate to poorer countries. Some may be digital nomads who may prefer a cheaper cost of living, but I’d assume they wouldn’t want to stay around for the long term, especially once/when the situation in Russia calms down. If not, there are plenty of 1st world countries who would want their services. ACX Open Threads are full of offers.

    Probably Armenia’s strategic problem is more that the country itself depopulates, than they would lose the settlements in Karabakh.

    Hard to see how Armenia can hold on to that territory once the cease-fire agreement formally ends in a few years – assuming Aliyev will be stopped this time around, which is far from clear.

    For whatever reason, Armenians lack what the Palestinians call sumud; an almost fanatical attachment to their land despite overwhelming odds. They prefer to flee like cowards, preferably abroad. Such a people will not have a bright future.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up like Assyrians or other stateless peoples. Then again, is it in Russia’s interest for Armenia to be wiped off the map? It’s not clear to me. Perhaps that is their best shot: become a vassal in all but name to the RF. But the price that Moscow can extract from such an arrangement could be steep: look at its current expectations of Chechens to fight its wars.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend


    Russians are going to stay?
     
    Even in the normal peaceful situation of the last decade, it has been very difficult for most people to "escape" to a wealthy country. This is just not an option easily available for normal workers.

    For most elite countries, you need a specific skilled profession, a job already secure in this profession, usually with a large corporation (to organize your visa), often a high score in an internationally recognized language exam to prepare you for the job interviews with those corporations. This all requires investment of money and time. Including (in my recommendation) going to language schools abroad when you are younger, although which requires your parents to pay a lot if you are a teenager or student.

    Even then, you have quite a few years in a vulnerable situation internationally, being dependent on your employer for visa renewal.

    Perhaps, some countries like Canada were more "open borders", however, probably Canada receives less desirable immigrants as a result. (And Israel had real open borders for people with Jewish roots, and as a result received much lower "economic quality" of immigration).

    But, now a lot of people with relevant skills (I won't say "stupid people", but poorly planning people) are suddenly panicking for an exit, which they could only have prepared carefully in the previous years. It's another variant in Aesop's fable of the "Ant and the Grasshopper". It was obvious what you needed to plan for all these years, but many people don't think in advance.

    The consequence of this, is that some of these disorganized people might really try to settle in Armenia, Georgia, Serbia, Turkey (at least there will be a lot of IT outsourcing starting there, as well as good food and sunny weather). It's not impossible they will panic enough that this will happen. Israel will also receive tens of thousands of panicked immigrants from Russia and Ukraine (but less immediately, because preparation of documents often requires a year). I'm not sure Western countries will lower entry requirements, but more likely the opposite. Why should they accept badly planning people from Russia? Would you look at such kind of potential employees, compared to well organized people who planned carefully their lives? I'm not sure I would want to employ them even if they had relevant skills.

    Perhaps China would become a popular option for immigration from Russia and Ukraine. More elites destinations like South Korea, Singapore, Japan, Australia are perhaps quite strict for immigration, though I cannot say I have investigated any of this.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  14. Here is a story in Russia today (sorry the resource is only available in Russian https://new-vodokachkin.livejournal.com/274542.html ) .

    They are starting to install hidden microphones in some schools, allegedly to monitor for suspicious discussions among children. These will be determined by the “neural network” for suspicious words like bombs, etc. But in anyway, the precedent to be live recording and analyzing children’s private conversations in schools.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    As an American, I understand his general positions in international relationship, often finding them less tortured than American justifications.
    If I was Russian I think I would have a respect for Putin for stopping the hemhorraging of the Yeltsin years, but still be dubious of Putin's policies domestically.

    , @216
    @Dmitry

    It's a badly kept secret that the Google Chromebooks for schools was designed to do the exact same thing.

  15. @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry


    Their conflict is not in legal territory of Armenia, but in Karabakh, which Armenian has settlers in and Armenians have invested a lot in.
     
    I'm well aware of that.

    Azeris breaking the agreement in such a blatant manner is a prestige defeat for Russia. Moscow now has a strong incentive to enforce the cease-fire agreement, because otherwise it will send a signal to other states that it's too weak to enforce potential truces/agreements in the future. Thereby reducing its credibility.

    So Russia, in this sense, has a stronger incentive to enforce peace than it had in 2020. In addition, the West is no longer on the fence. That's my "optimistic" case.

    Aliyev clearly calculated that Russia being distracted in Ukraine would allow for an escalation. We will see shortly if that gamble was correct.

    Although at least this year, they will be receiving a lot of immigration from Russia and Ukraine, including a lot of educated people from Russia.
     
    How many of those Russians are going to stay? Appears to be a temporary phenomenon. People generally don't like to emigrate to poorer countries. Some may be digital nomads who may prefer a cheaper cost of living, but I'd assume they wouldn't want to stay around for the long term, especially once/when the situation in Russia calms down. If not, there are plenty of 1st world countries who would want their services. ACX Open Threads are full of offers.

    Probably Armenia’s strategic problem is more that the country itself depopulates, than they would lose the settlements in Karabakh.
     
    Hard to see how Armenia can hold on to that territory once the cease-fire agreement formally ends in a few years - assuming Aliyev will be stopped this time around, which is far from clear.

    For whatever reason, Armenians lack what the Palestinians call sumud; an almost fanatical attachment to their land despite overwhelming odds. They prefer to flee like cowards, preferably abroad. Such a people will not have a bright future.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they end up like Assyrians or other stateless peoples. Then again, is it in Russia's interest for Armenia to be wiped off the map? It's not clear to me. Perhaps that is their best shot: become a vassal in all but name to the RF. But the price that Moscow can extract from such an arrangement could be steep: look at its current expectations of Chechens to fight its wars.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Russians are going to stay?

    Even in the normal peaceful situation of the last decade, it has been very difficult for most people to “escape” to a wealthy country. This is just not an option easily available for normal workers.

    For most elite countries, you need a specific skilled profession, a job already secure in this profession, usually with a large corporation (to organize your visa), often a high score in an internationally recognized language exam to prepare you for the job interviews with those corporations. This all requires investment of money and time. Including (in my recommendation) going to language schools abroad when you are younger, although which requires your parents to pay a lot if you are a teenager or student.

    Even then, you have quite a few years in a vulnerable situation internationally, being dependent on your employer for visa renewal.

    Perhaps, some countries like Canada were more “open borders”, however, probably Canada receives less desirable immigrants as a result. (And Israel had real open borders for people with Jewish roots, and as a result received much lower “economic quality” of immigration).

    But, now a lot of people with relevant skills (I won’t say “stupid people”, but poorly planning people) are suddenly panicking for an exit, which they could only have prepared carefully in the previous years. It’s another variant in Aesop’s fable of the “Ant and the Grasshopper”. It was obvious what you needed to plan for all these years, but many people don’t think in advance.

    The consequence of this, is that some of these disorganized people might really try to settle in Armenia, Georgia, Serbia, Turkey (at least there will be a lot of IT outsourcing starting there, as well as good food and sunny weather). It’s not impossible they will panic enough that this will happen. Israel will also receive tens of thousands of panicked immigrants from Russia and Ukraine (but less immediately, because preparation of documents often requires a year). I’m not sure Western countries will lower entry requirements, but more likely the opposite. Why should they accept badly planning people from Russia? Would you look at such kind of potential employees, compared to well organized people who planned carefully their lives? I’m not sure I would want to employ them even if they had relevant skills.

    Perhaps China would become a popular option for immigration from Russia and Ukraine. More elites destinations like South Korea, Singapore, Japan, Australia are perhaps quite strict for immigration, though I cannot say I have investigated any of this.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    UAE as well.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  16. Given that this is an OPEN THREAD. I give you the latest in Auto Racing.

    The full replay of the 12 Hours of Sebring

    PEACE 😇

  17. As Banderist resistance in Mariupol is dying now, the Zelensky regime starts just another series of Twitter counter-attacks.

  18. Ukrainian schools seem not too bad?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP

    One could get a lot of droll observations about modern Western Europe from these young Ukrainians, by asking them the right questions.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @A123
    @AP

    The look on the face of the adjacent Muslim student is priceless.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Sammy Davis Junior Jr, Seeing Eye Bitch.

  19. @AP
    Ukrainian schools seem not too bad?



    https://twitter.com/malmesburyman/status/1508513064764780550?s=21&t=8AUcYYk186CSDN4Ol1IUtg

    Replies: @songbird, @A123, @Wokechoke

    One could get a lot of droll observations about modern Western Europe from these young Ukrainians, by asking them the right questions.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @songbird


    by asking them the right questions.
     

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPAlkWFXMAQIpA7.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader

  20. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend


    Russians are going to stay?
     
    Even in the normal peaceful situation of the last decade, it has been very difficult for most people to "escape" to a wealthy country. This is just not an option easily available for normal workers.

    For most elite countries, you need a specific skilled profession, a job already secure in this profession, usually with a large corporation (to organize your visa), often a high score in an internationally recognized language exam to prepare you for the job interviews with those corporations. This all requires investment of money and time. Including (in my recommendation) going to language schools abroad when you are younger, although which requires your parents to pay a lot if you are a teenager or student.

    Even then, you have quite a few years in a vulnerable situation internationally, being dependent on your employer for visa renewal.

    Perhaps, some countries like Canada were more "open borders", however, probably Canada receives less desirable immigrants as a result. (And Israel had real open borders for people with Jewish roots, and as a result received much lower "economic quality" of immigration).

    But, now a lot of people with relevant skills (I won't say "stupid people", but poorly planning people) are suddenly panicking for an exit, which they could only have prepared carefully in the previous years. It's another variant in Aesop's fable of the "Ant and the Grasshopper". It was obvious what you needed to plan for all these years, but many people don't think in advance.

    The consequence of this, is that some of these disorganized people might really try to settle in Armenia, Georgia, Serbia, Turkey (at least there will be a lot of IT outsourcing starting there, as well as good food and sunny weather). It's not impossible they will panic enough that this will happen. Israel will also receive tens of thousands of panicked immigrants from Russia and Ukraine (but less immediately, because preparation of documents often requires a year). I'm not sure Western countries will lower entry requirements, but more likely the opposite. Why should they accept badly planning people from Russia? Would you look at such kind of potential employees, compared to well organized people who planned carefully their lives? I'm not sure I would want to employ them even if they had relevant skills.

    Perhaps China would become a popular option for immigration from Russia and Ukraine. More elites destinations like South Korea, Singapore, Japan, Australia are perhaps quite strict for immigration, though I cannot say I have investigated any of this.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    UAE as well.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    Morgenshtern now prophetically a few months ahead of trend (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8y3z-I9VP4.)

    With the elite countries being as we know very difficult to enter from Russia for badly organized people who did not plan their life, and all accommodation overbooked in Armenia, Georgia et al.

    If I had a startup with team of employees in Russia (which is not any of my real life problems or anything I would know about organizing), I would be now speculating if I could re-locate in this theoretical scenario a team perhaps to Chile to still be accepted by international investors.

    Nobody talks about Chile, but they supposedly promote a "hi tech scene" there. For Russians it is very easy to learn Spanish (surprisingly similar language) to level to allow for daily living.

    It's definitely not an elite country, so I assume it would be easy to apply for working visas. On the other hand, standard of living is probably not so bad at all in Santiago for urban professionals. But perhaps it would not be so easy, as the politicians there have a lot of pressure from anti-immigrant sentiment protesters at the moment ( https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/venezuelan-migrants-chile-face-fiery-anti-immigration-protests-rcna2358 )

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Philip Owen

  21. Seem to recall vaguely from somewhere (perhaps, McCullough’s 1776) that George Washington was a barrel aficionado, and liked the idea of using them as a weapon, by rolling them downhill.

    Perhaps, this reflects the fact that Northern Euro culture was a beer and barrel-making one, as mentioned by Pliny the Elder.

    Wonder if he ever had any ideas about using butter as a weapon, or cows.

  22. @AP
    Ukrainian schools seem not too bad?



    https://twitter.com/malmesburyman/status/1508513064764780550?s=21&t=8AUcYYk186CSDN4Ol1IUtg

    Replies: @songbird, @A123, @Wokechoke

    The look on the face of the adjacent Muslim student is priceless.

    PEACE 😇

  23. @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    UAE as well.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Morgenshtern now prophetically a few months ahead of trend (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8y3z-I9VP4.)

    With the elite countries being as we know very difficult to enter from Russia for badly organized people who did not plan their life, and all accommodation overbooked in Armenia, Georgia et al.

    If I had a startup with team of employees in Russia (which is not any of my real life problems or anything I would know about organizing), I would be now speculating if I could re-locate in this theoretical scenario a team perhaps to Chile to still be accepted by international investors.

    Nobody talks about Chile, but they supposedly promote a “hi tech scene” there. For Russians it is very easy to learn Spanish (surprisingly similar language) to level to allow for daily living.

    It’s definitely not an elite country, so I assume it would be easy to apply for working visas. On the other hand, standard of living is probably not so bad at all in Santiago for urban professionals. But perhaps it would not be so easy, as the politicians there have a lot of pressure from anti-immigrant sentiment protesters at the moment ( https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/venezuelan-migrants-chile-face-fiery-anti-immigration-protests-rcna2358 )

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    I was under the impression that Chile had a fair bit of ethnocentric superiority baked into their culture. Not as much as Argentina certainly but in that vein. They may look at Venezuelans as inferior brown hoi-polloi, while being more accepting of Russians as relative cultural equals, or at least not regarding them with hostility.

    It's just a guess on my part.

    Replies: @216

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Dmitry

    Chile does happen to be sitting on very large reserves of Lithium, which is a good jump starter for hi tech.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    Chile is an interesting case. The economy is robust. It has actually become a centre of inbound migration from across Spanish speaking America. So, it has increasingly strict immigration laws but probably has ways of letting in the skilled. It's had some mid level manufacturing like electric motors for a long time. However, it also has copper (mostly owned by Serb interests I believe - used to be Welsh), the previously lithium (the best grade in the world, so far the only usable ore) and guano (Do not laugh. The world is short of fertilizer) not to mention fresh produce.

    So yes. A relatively modernized country with a good lifestyle. A decent base. Also a route into the Spanish language market for software. A place to grow a bit before being taken out by the big Anglo firms.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  24. Somewhere, (was is /pol/?) someone posted a pic that purported to be from a Russian unit overrunning a group of international volunteers, who deserted their posts, and being shocked to find that among the dropped equipment was a dildo.

    Just had a snap impression of it. As a still image it could have easily been staged – I’d honestly like to believe it was. But I really find it harder and harder, each day. For one thing, it matches completely what the other side is actually saying:

    [MORE]

    With a rainbow sticker reading “Make Kyiv Queer Again” proudly branded across his rifle, Andrii takes to the front line in the north of the capital each day.

    Identifying as pansexual — which means he is attracted to all genders — the 26-year-old had no hesitation joining Ukraine’s Territorial Defence Forces on day one of Russia’s invasion.

    Far from his life as a psychotherapist, Andrii is out to protect the streets where he grew up and to fight against the “social-political oppressive machine”.

    “We’re in danger, of not only imperial Tsar reign, there’s also a damn lot of sexism, racism and tremendous homophobia coming to us from the east,” he told the ABC.

    “I was extremely scared the first days, but now things are different. We are well supplied, trained and have 100 plans for any circumstance — we’re all inspired and confident.”

    Andrii, who preferred to only give his first name, said there were a lot of LGBTQI people in the Ukrainian military who were on the front lines after fighting in Donbas for eight years.

    He said they were fighting for their freedoms and have brought a “specific greeting” with them.

    “One of the national slogans is ‘Glory to Nation! Death to the enemies!’ and the LGBTQI soldiers in the army have changed it to ‘Queer to Nation! Death to the enemies!’” he said…

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-28/lgbtq-rights-russia-invasion-kyiv-queer-activism/100932590

  25. @songbird
    @A123

    From what I've seen, it doesn't look like it would be something easy to read.

    As you alluded to, the front of the glass is unreadable (related to a technology called a "beam splitter") He was using two panes, one on each side, but at an angle.

    Several people walked behind him, along one side, but at quite a distance, and I believe they were security. I didn't see the moment in question, but I did not notice anyone standing, but brisk walking, as if they were making it a point not to look at him.

    Replies: @A123

    To me, the idea that it was intentionally on the teleprompter to deliberately generate a “news cycle” makes the most sense.

    However, if you insist on the gaffe excuse… That gets quite amusing.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • LOL: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    The look on the face of the adjacent Muslim student is priceless.
     
    Am impressed by your confident identification.

    Nearly dancing on the edge of supposing that she must be from Mali. But there are so many tribes and phenotypes from Francophone Africa, that I don't feel confident myself.

    But you have got me wondering what percentage of blacks in France are Muslim.
    _____
    That is pretty funny what Panetta said. (though I have never heard it before) One sad thing about the melting pot is that it cuts down on these funny, ethnic stereotype claims about politicians, sometimes made by themselves. My favorite, of course, is when some womanizers blame it on their "Italian blood." Though Italians were possibly the last big group of Euros to come, so that might explain the frequency of the claim.

    Am somewhat dismayed to find that Biden is accounted 5/8 Irish. Though, I feel in my heart as though it must really be somewhat less than half, if one accounted for blood rather than geography.

    JFK may have been a scoundrel, but at least he was genuinely a war hero. (that is, unless his war story was concocted)

    Replies: @A123, @Alfa158

  26. @Dmitry
    Here is a story in Russia today (sorry the resource is only available in Russian https://new-vodokachkin.livejournal.com/274542.html ) .

    They are starting to install hidden microphones in some schools, allegedly to monitor for suspicious discussions among children. These will be determined by the "neural network" for suspicious words like bombs, etc. But in anyway, the precedent to be live recording and analyzing children's private conversations in schools.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @216

    As an American, I understand his general positions in international relationship, often finding them less tortured than American justifications.
    If I was Russian I think I would have a respect for Putin for stopping the hemhorraging of the Yeltsin years, but still be dubious of Putin’s policies domestically.

  27. @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    Morgenshtern now prophetically a few months ahead of trend (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8y3z-I9VP4.)

    With the elite countries being as we know very difficult to enter from Russia for badly organized people who did not plan their life, and all accommodation overbooked in Armenia, Georgia et al.

    If I had a startup with team of employees in Russia (which is not any of my real life problems or anything I would know about organizing), I would be now speculating if I could re-locate in this theoretical scenario a team perhaps to Chile to still be accepted by international investors.

    Nobody talks about Chile, but they supposedly promote a "hi tech scene" there. For Russians it is very easy to learn Spanish (surprisingly similar language) to level to allow for daily living.

    It's definitely not an elite country, so I assume it would be easy to apply for working visas. On the other hand, standard of living is probably not so bad at all in Santiago for urban professionals. But perhaps it would not be so easy, as the politicians there have a lot of pressure from anti-immigrant sentiment protesters at the moment ( https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/venezuelan-migrants-chile-face-fiery-anti-immigration-protests-rcna2358 )

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Philip Owen

    I was under the impression that Chile had a fair bit of ethnocentric superiority baked into their culture. Not as much as Argentina certainly but in that vein. They may look at Venezuelans as inferior brown hoi-polloi, while being more accepting of Russians as relative cultural equals, or at least not regarding them with hostility.

    It’s just a guess on my part.

    • Replies: @216
    @Barbarossa

    The current Chilean President is a big shitlib, and the country was a progenitor of the BLM cultural revolution in the US, with a new leftist constitution being imposed.

    I would imagine that Boric would look favorably on disaffected Russian liberal emigres.

  28. @A123
    @songbird

    To me, the idea that it was intentionally on the teleprompter to deliberately generate a "news cycle" makes the most sense.

    However, if you insist on the gaffe excuse... That gets quite amusing.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/dana_loesch_joe_biden_leon_panetta_irish_03-28-2022.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    The look on the face of the adjacent Muslim student is priceless.

    Am impressed by your confident identification.

    Nearly dancing on the edge of supposing that she must be from Mali. But there are so many tribes and phenotypes from Francophone Africa, that I don’t feel confident myself.

    But you have got me wondering what percentage of blacks in France are Muslim.
    _____
    That is pretty funny what Panetta said. (though I have never heard it before) One sad thing about the melting pot is that it cuts down on these funny, ethnic stereotype claims about politicians, sometimes made by themselves. My favorite, of course, is when some womanizers blame it on their “Italian blood.” Though Italians were possibly the last big group of Euros to come, so that might explain the frequency of the claim.

    Am somewhat dismayed to find that Biden is accounted 5/8 Irish. Though, I feel in my heart as though it must really be somewhat less than half, if one accounted for blood rather than geography.

    JFK may have been a scoundrel, but at least he was genuinely a war hero. (that is, unless his war story was concocted)

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird



    The look on the face of the adjacent Muslim student is priceless.
     
    Am impressed by your confident identification.

    Nearly dancing on the edge of supposing that she must be from Mali. But there are so many tribes and phenotypes from Francophone Africa, that I don’t feel confident myself.
     

    French colonial African Christians become "French". Once assimilated, mixed race "French" Christian marriages are quite common in France. The results could be described as light brown (or anachronisticly as high yellow).

    While not 100% certain, based on the limited evidence of a single photo, the odds are steeply in in my favour in terms of Muslim identification.


    you have got me wondering what percentage of blacks in France are Muslim.

     

    Sadly, European statistical entities hate keeping that sort of demographic. Any such research will be further complicated by the aforementioned mixed race marriages.

    If you find a reliable study, please share it.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Alfa158
    @songbird

    The story doesn’t appear to be concocted but it was promoted to bring him public attention and set him up for a political career. The writer John Hersey who later wrote Hiroshima, wrote a long recounting of the action that was published in New Yorker magazine during the war, thus bringing JFK to the attention of the journalists and elite who read that magazine.
    The actual event wasn’t quite Medal of Honor material but he was brave, did his duty and took care of his men. If you strip out the puffery and dramatization, basically his PT boat was on a night patrol and was run over by a Japanese destroyer when they blundered into each other. JFK organized the survivors and swam with them to shore, helping a badly wounded crewman, then swam for help.
    The destroyer captain survived the war and was interviewed by reporters when JFK was President. As I recall it was kind of funny, they breathlessly asked him to recount the story and the captain was somewhat nonplussed. He basically just said “uh, well we were on patrol, and we ran over a boat and were in a hurry so we didn’t stop”. “Are you happy you didn’t inadvertently kill the man who would become President of the US?” “Yeah sure, whatever”.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

  29. @Dmitry
    Here is a story in Russia today (sorry the resource is only available in Russian https://new-vodokachkin.livejournal.com/274542.html ) .

    They are starting to install hidden microphones in some schools, allegedly to monitor for suspicious discussions among children. These will be determined by the "neural network" for suspicious words like bombs, etc. But in anyway, the precedent to be live recording and analyzing children's private conversations in schools.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @216

    It’s a badly kept secret that the Google Chromebooks for schools was designed to do the exact same thing.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  30. @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    I was under the impression that Chile had a fair bit of ethnocentric superiority baked into their culture. Not as much as Argentina certainly but in that vein. They may look at Venezuelans as inferior brown hoi-polloi, while being more accepting of Russians as relative cultural equals, or at least not regarding them with hostility.

    It's just a guess on my part.

    Replies: @216

    The current Chilean President is a big shitlib, and the country was a progenitor of the BLM cultural revolution in the US, with a new leftist constitution being imposed.

    I would imagine that Boric would look favorably on disaffected Russian liberal emigres.

  31. Seems quite surprising to me that Peru is food negative.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    @songbird

    Coastal desert, dry mountains, high-plain badlands, wet mountains, Amazon jungle. And 35m people.

  32. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @A123


    The look on the face of the adjacent Muslim student is priceless.
     
    Am impressed by your confident identification.

    Nearly dancing on the edge of supposing that she must be from Mali. But there are so many tribes and phenotypes from Francophone Africa, that I don't feel confident myself.

    But you have got me wondering what percentage of blacks in France are Muslim.
    _____
    That is pretty funny what Panetta said. (though I have never heard it before) One sad thing about the melting pot is that it cuts down on these funny, ethnic stereotype claims about politicians, sometimes made by themselves. My favorite, of course, is when some womanizers blame it on their "Italian blood." Though Italians were possibly the last big group of Euros to come, so that might explain the frequency of the claim.

    Am somewhat dismayed to find that Biden is accounted 5/8 Irish. Though, I feel in my heart as though it must really be somewhat less than half, if one accounted for blood rather than geography.

    JFK may have been a scoundrel, but at least he was genuinely a war hero. (that is, unless his war story was concocted)

    Replies: @A123, @Alfa158

    The look on the face of the adjacent Muslim student is priceless.

    Am impressed by your confident identification.

    Nearly dancing on the edge of supposing that she must be from Mali. But there are so many tribes and phenotypes from Francophone Africa, that I don’t feel confident myself.

    French colonial African Christians become “French”. Once assimilated, mixed race “French” Christian marriages are quite common in France. The results could be described as light brown (or anachronisticly as high yellow).

    While not 100% certain, based on the limited evidence of a single photo, the odds are steeply in in my favour in terms of Muslim identification.

    you have got me wondering what percentage of blacks in France are Muslim.

    Sadly, European statistical entities hate keeping that sort of demographic. Any such research will be further complicated by the aforementioned mixed race marriages.

    If you find a reliable study, please share it.

    PEACE 😇

  33. @china-russia-all-the-way

    "Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings"

    While tactical nuclear weapons could trigger bigger and more powerful strategic weapons in response, Mr. Kristensen said it wouldn’t mean immediate all-out nuclear war.

    “I don’t think it’s likely to expect an automatic, super-rapid escalation to all-out,” he said. “Both sides will want to look for ways to keep it limited because they both know full well what the consequences are of full escalation.”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.

    https://archive.ph/XKDq2
     
    Western analysts are doing a lousy job of shedding light on realistic scenarios for nuclear war. It's hard to imagine Russia starting a nuclear war by using tactical nukes in Ukraine. Russia would not because it is far from running out of choosing even more devastating conventional firepower. It seems like most Western analysts even have the view of Russia as in danger of retreating and unable to repel strengthening Ukrainian counterattacks. That's the impression I get from their wrong analysis of a nuclear war in Ukraine. It is a remarkable show of the power of a month of Twitter information and narrative dominance in distorting even expert perceptions.

    Another downside of bad analysis of nuclear war scenarios is the lack of guidance for policymakers in understanding the consequences of escalation. I think the most obvious scenario for nuclear war is NATO intervention leading to the use of a tactical nuclear weapon in Poland. If this scenario and cause and effect were widely discussed it would dampen the current pro-war climate of providing fighters/getting into an air war/sending ground troops. Maybe for that reason, Western analysts are providing bad takes with the desire of not standing in the way of pro-war enthusiasm.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Ron Unz

    I just can’t see direct NATO intervention. Europeans won’t fight and while the US Deep State would love to put troops in Ukraine, the US public would never stand for it. Also I don’t think that the current woke US military is capable of conducting successful combat operations.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Greasy William

    ‘Sup Homie,

    Glad to see you’re alive and kicking, I thought maybe you tried to slide up to some Persian girl and got curb-stomped by her brothers or something - be well.

    Peace.

  34. @Blinky Bill
    GDP Growth between (2008-2021)

    Greater China (🇨🇳🇲🇴🇭🇰) a 258.046% increase.

    India a 141.803% increase.

    South East Asia/ASEAN a 101.818% increase.

    European Union a 4.97849% increase.

    The European Union will decline after this crisis and then stagnate.

    Germany will not end up overtaking Japan's economy despite of the Three Lost Decades.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Thulean Friend

    That Europe and Canada have managed to stagnate since 2008 with no political upheaval shows that there is no hope whatsoever for those countries.

  35. @china-russia-all-the-way

    "Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings"

    While tactical nuclear weapons could trigger bigger and more powerful strategic weapons in response, Mr. Kristensen said it wouldn’t mean immediate all-out nuclear war.

    “I don’t think it’s likely to expect an automatic, super-rapid escalation to all-out,” he said. “Both sides will want to look for ways to keep it limited because they both know full well what the consequences are of full escalation.”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.

    https://archive.ph/XKDq2
     
    Western analysts are doing a lousy job of shedding light on realistic scenarios for nuclear war. It's hard to imagine Russia starting a nuclear war by using tactical nukes in Ukraine. Russia would not because it is far from running out of choosing even more devastating conventional firepower. It seems like most Western analysts even have the view of Russia as in danger of retreating and unable to repel strengthening Ukrainian counterattacks. That's the impression I get from their wrong analysis of a nuclear war in Ukraine. It is a remarkable show of the power of a month of Twitter information and narrative dominance in distorting even expert perceptions.

    Another downside of bad analysis of nuclear war scenarios is the lack of guidance for policymakers in understanding the consequences of escalation. I think the most obvious scenario for nuclear war is NATO intervention leading to the use of a tactical nuclear weapon in Poland. If this scenario and cause and effect were widely discussed it would dampen the current pro-war climate of providing fighters/getting into an air war/sending ground troops. Maybe for that reason, Western analysts are providing bad takes with the desire of not standing in the way of pro-war enthusiasm.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Ron Unz

    WSJ: “Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.

    I’ve seen those same “expert” opinions quoted in the MSM, and they don’t seem to make any sense.

    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia’s important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.

    As far as I can tell, Russia’s anti-missile defense systems are top quality, and they could probably shoot down all our old-fashioned cruise missiles. Meanwhile, their hypersonics seems to be completely unstoppable.

    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he’ll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there’s absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.

    Instead of arguing about stupid videos of individual tanks getting blown up, I think this is a much more important topic to consider. Is there any evidence that Ritter and the others who make this claim are incorrect?

    Fortunately, entirely contrary to our MSM propaganda, Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn’t want to risk nuclear war. But given what seems to be Russia’s clear conventional superiority, our very bad and provocative behavior over the last few years in Ukraine is dangerously crazy. But since everyone knows that America’s leaders are crazy about so many other things, why should this be surprising?

    • Replies: @utu
    @Ron Unz

    (1) Talking about Russia's use of nuclear weapons is natural consequence of what Putin was intimating in his speeches and it is a well known Russian doctrine of de-escalation (of conventional war) via nuclear escalation so talking abpould could be justified. But I agree that Russia would not do it unless some Karlin like madman took over Kremlin but talking about it in our media actually serves Putin as it is defeatist in nature as Putin wants to bring Ukraine and the West sooner to the negotiating table. Your vigilance of picking up all anti-Russian vibes in the MSN seems to be off. Talking about nukes is pro-Russian because that's what Russia wants us do.

    (2) US can do the same to Kremlin with ballistic missiles what you claim Moscow can do to Pentagon with its "hypersonic" wunderwaffe.

    (3) Does Russia have better anti-missile systems? Where did this idea come from? Can they intercept ballistic missiles that are as hypersonic as say, Russian Kinzhal. Kinzhal is modified Iskander. And Iskander not much different from Pershings that were retired in 1990's?

    (4). Hype of hypersonic weapons.



    HYPERSONIC HYPE OVERESTIMATES MODERN MISSILE DEFENSE CAPABILITIES ( March 28, 2022)
    https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/hypersonic-hype-overestimates-modern-missile-defense-capabilities/

    Because most conversations surrounding hypersonic missiles tend to focus a great deal on the idea that they can’t be intercepted, the inference seems to be that non-hypersonic ballistic and cruise missiles are a problem that current air defenses have already solved. Below every story or video you can find online about the Kinzhal, for instance, you’ll find commenters arguing that the Kinzhal must be some kind of cutting-edge technology like the world has never seen, otherwise, the U.S. would have systems that can intercept it.

    This imaginary juxtaposition of “impossible to stop” future missiles against “practically useless” current missiles is, to be clear, just that: imaginary.
     

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    , @Old Brown Fool
    @Ron Unz


    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he’ll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there’s absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.
     
    That would destroy the globalist deep state like nothing else. Alas, Putin is unlikely to go along with this idea. Because,

    Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn’t want to risk nuclear war
     
    But many times a rational individual cannot fight a crazy, wicked, evil oligarchy. Some quantity of unpredictability is absolutely essential. Nothing worse than the enemy predicting your reactions 100% under all circumstances.
    , @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz


    fashioned cruise missiles
     
    Strategic nuclear weapons are fired by intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    Cruise missiles are a kind of small unmanned, subsonic kamikaze plane. They are used for tactical bombing of fixed targets.

    shoot down all our
     
    From all I read, intercontinental ballistic missiles cannot be intercepted by current missile defense, well at least with MIRV (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle).

    NATO's strategic nuclear weapons use MIRV, while Russia is currently also upgrading to this system (with around 30% of strategic missiles now claimed to be moving to MIRV according to the articles I read)

    their hypersonics seems to be
     
    Strategic nuclear weapons, on all sides, will be from intercontinental ballistic missiles, which are "hypersonic" (above Mach 5). For example, the new intercontinental ballistic missiles are going to Mach 23.

    In strategic missile conflict between Russia vs. USA (with maybe UK and France). Weapons used will be these below.

    Russia
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava
    From land
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2PM2_Topol-M

    USA
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGM-133_Trident_II
    From land
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman

    France
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M51_(missile)

    United Kingdom
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(UK_nuclear_programme)

    rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn’t want to risk nuclear war.
     
    Nuclear war is always very unlikely, but because as an ordinary citizen we can't really know how unlikely. It is still a good idea to know how you would manage.

    There is the map of probable targets in the USA according to Federal Emergency Management Agency. Blast radius is not that large of the weapons and number fired would not be as many as shown in this map, but fallout would be going over wider areas.

    https://i.imgur.com/7im3yi8.gif

    For Russia, NATO would probably focus on "genociding" the country by destroying of cities.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @RadicalCenter

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Ron Unz


    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia’s important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.
     
    I suspect you've already read his latest in-depth analysis, in case you haven't and for the benefit of others.


    1/ Big Arrow War—a primer. For all those scratching their heads in confusion, or dusting off their dress uniforms for the Ukrainian victory parade in Kiev, over the news about Russia’s “strategic shift”, you might want to re-familiarize yourself with basic military concepts.

    2/ Maneuver warfare is a good place to start. Understand Russia started its “special military operation” with a severe manpower deficit—200,000 attackers to some 600,000 defenders (or more). Classic attritional conflict was never an option. Russian victory required maneuver.

    3/ Maneuver war is more psychological than physical and focuses more on the operational than on the tactical level. Maneuver is relational movement—how you deploy and move your forces in relation to your opponent. Russian maneuver in the first phase of its operation support this.

    4/ The Russians needed to shape the battlefield to their advantage. In order to do this, they needed to control how Ukraine employed it’s numerically superior forces, while distributing their own smaller combat power to best accomplish this objective.

    5/ Strategically, to facilitate the ability to maneuver between the southern, central, and northern fronts, Russia needed to secure a land bridge between Crimea and Russia. The seizure of the coastal city of Mariupol was critical to this effort. Russia has accomplished this task.

    6/ While this complex operation unfolded, Russia needed to keep Ukraine from maneuvering its numerically superior forces in a manner that disrupted the Mariupol operation. This entailed the use of several strategic supporting operations—feints, fixing operations, and deep attack.

    7/ The concept of a feint is simple—a military force either is seen as preparing to attack a given location, or actually conducts an attack, for the purpose of deceiving an opponent into committing resources in response to the perceived or actual actions.

    8/ The use of the feint played a major role in Desert Storm, where Marine Amphibious forces threatened the Kuwaiti coast, forcing Iraq to defend against an attack that never came, and where the 1st Cavalry Division actually attacked Wadi Al Batin to pin down the Republican Guard.

    9/ The Russians made extensive use of the feint in Ukraine, with Amphibious forces off Odessa freezing Ukrainian forces there, and a major feint attack toward Kiev compelling Ukraine to reinforce their forces there. Ukraine was never able to reinforce their forces in the east.

    10/ Fixing operations were also critical. Ukraine had assembled some 60,000-100,000 troops in the east, opposite Donbas. Russia carried out a broad fixing attack designed to keep these forces fully engaged and unable to maneuver in respect to other Russian operations.

    11/ During Desert Storm, two Marine Divisions were ordered to carry out similar fixing attacks against Iraqi forces deployed along the Kuwaiti-Saudi border, tying down significant numbers of men and material that could not be used to counter the main US attack out west.

    12/ The Russian fixing attack pinned the main Ukrainian concentration of forces in the east, and drove them away from Mariupol, which was invested and reduced. Supporting operations out of Crimea against Kherson expanded the Russian land bridge. This phase is now complete.

    13/ Russia also engaged in a campaign of strategic deep attack designed to disrupt and destroy Ukrainian logistics, command & control, and air power and long-range fire support. Ukraine is running out of fuel and ammo, cannot coordinate maneuver, and has no meaningful Air Force.

    14/ Russia is redeploying some of its premier units from where they had been engaged in feint operations in northern Kiev to where they can support the next phase of the operation, namely the liberation of the Donbas and the destruction of the main Ukrainian force in the east.

    15/ This is classic maneuver warfare. Russia will now hold Ukraine in the north and south while its main forces, reinforced by the northern units, Marines, and forces freed up by the capture of Mariupol, seek to envelope and destroy 60,000 Ukrainian forces in the east.

    16/ This is Big Arrow War at its finest, something Americans used to know but forgot in the deserts and mountains of Afghanistan and Iraq. It also explains how 200,000 Russians have been able to defeat 600,000 Ukrainians. Thus ends the primer on maneuver warfare, Russian style.

     

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    The Ukrainians have acted insane with Russia. They should have appeased the stronger state.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  36. This deadline is approaching – fast. Who will blink first?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    I found Ursula von der Leyen amusing when she said “We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over.”

    I mean, she has to be talking about winter, right? But that seems like very short term thinking. And total lack of thought about industry.

    I suspect that, short of some peace deal (which may be unlikely), the EU elites would be willing to go to rationing, as long as it remains a workable solution for staying in power.

    Replies: @Beckow, @216

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Thulean Friend


    This deadline is approaching – fast. Who will blink first?
     
    I guess we have our answer.

    Russia won't demand immediate switch to rouble gas payments, Kremlin says

    Russia will not immediately demand that buyers pay for its gas exports in roubles, the Kremlin said on Wednesday, promising a gradual shift and saying Russia should work on an idea to widen the list of its exports requiring rouble payment.

    Asked whether the payments should be in roubles starting from Thursday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "Absolutely no."
    "As we discussed before, payments and delivery is a time consuming process ... This does not mean that a tomorrow's delivery should be paid (in roubles). From a technological point of view, this is a more prolonged process," he said.
     
  37. What will happen to Germany with energy?

    Originally, I thought that all the actions would be limited to Nord Stream 2, and the rest of it would be talk. But, perhaps, unintentionally, they seem to be caught in an ideological trap of not being willing to pay in rubles. And, as far as I can tell, they have underestimated Russia’s willingness to pull the plug.

    It is spring, at least. But I doubt that they can make up the difference over the next six or seven months. And that is not even considering industry, in the meantime.

  38. @Thulean Friend
    This deadline is approaching - fast. Who will blink first?

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1508574942887137281

    Replies: @songbird, @Thulean Friend

    I found Ursula von der Leyen amusing when she said “We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over.”

    I mean, she has to be talking about winter, right? But that seems like very short term thinking. And total lack of thought about industry.

    I suspect that, short of some peace deal (which may be unlikely), the EU elites would be willing to go to rationing, as long as it remains a workable solution for staying in power.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @songbird


    "We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over."
     
    Thus spoke Ursula: a perfect example of an assistant school principal rising to the heights if power. They have one in England too, even dumber. The time for running in the hallways is over!!!

    Brussels is committed - the switch to rubles would be too humiliating and very public. We will get rationing, promises, blackmail - block any oil and gas they can, that's what navies are for.

    Russia's point is simple: you can't pay us in money that you then freeze. Saying that energy is exempted is nonsense - money is fungible. EU in effect demands energy from Russia for free - that's what freezing the euro payment accounts means. Let's see who blinks.

    Kiev has tried this and ended up buying with a huge mark-up through intermediaries. It can be costly. Anyone can open an energy shop in Yerevan or Istanbul and for a fee exchange euros for rubles. (Yevardian is leaving, maybe he smells a business opportunity?)

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Aedib, @songbird

    , @216
    @songbird

    How fast could an additional gas pipeline be built from Israel?

    Replies: @songbird

  39. @Blinky Bill
    GDP Growth between (2008-2021)

    Greater China (🇨🇳🇲🇴🇭🇰) a 258.046% increase.

    India a 141.803% increase.

    South East Asia/ASEAN a 101.818% increase.

    European Union a 4.97849% increase.

    The European Union will decline after this crisis and then stagnate.

    Germany will not end up overtaking Japan's economy despite of the Three Lost Decades.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Thulean Friend

    The European Union will decline after this crisis and then stagnate.

    The stagnation already happened after 2008 GFC and the 2011 eurozone crisis.

    These numbers are in US dollars. The euro was overvalued leading up to 2008 and the dollar undervalued, which can partly explain why the stagnation happened: there had to be an adjustment. As an aside, the dollar being undervalued in early 2000s may sound counter-intuitive given how wide American trade deficits were, but that was largely a function of an even more undervalued Yuan.

    The 2010s saw a re-alignment for both of these currencies, which depressed EU GDP. Now the opposite argument can be made: America’s gigantic trade deficits are partly a function of an overvalued greenback whereas Europe has consistent trade surpluses.

    That being said, Europe’s willingness to throw away its economic well-being to pursue a costly and ultimately foolish US-led proxy war in Ukraine doesn’t portend well for the continent. You cannot have prosperity if you do not have independence of action.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  40. @songbird
    @A123


    The look on the face of the adjacent Muslim student is priceless.
     
    Am impressed by your confident identification.

    Nearly dancing on the edge of supposing that she must be from Mali. But there are so many tribes and phenotypes from Francophone Africa, that I don't feel confident myself.

    But you have got me wondering what percentage of blacks in France are Muslim.
    _____
    That is pretty funny what Panetta said. (though I have never heard it before) One sad thing about the melting pot is that it cuts down on these funny, ethnic stereotype claims about politicians, sometimes made by themselves. My favorite, of course, is when some womanizers blame it on their "Italian blood." Though Italians were possibly the last big group of Euros to come, so that might explain the frequency of the claim.

    Am somewhat dismayed to find that Biden is accounted 5/8 Irish. Though, I feel in my heart as though it must really be somewhat less than half, if one accounted for blood rather than geography.

    JFK may have been a scoundrel, but at least he was genuinely a war hero. (that is, unless his war story was concocted)

    Replies: @A123, @Alfa158

    The story doesn’t appear to be concocted but it was promoted to bring him public attention and set him up for a political career. The writer John Hersey who later wrote Hiroshima, wrote a long recounting of the action that was published in New Yorker magazine during the war, thus bringing JFK to the attention of the journalists and elite who read that magazine.
    The actual event wasn’t quite Medal of Honor material but he was brave, did his duty and took care of his men. If you strip out the puffery and dramatization, basically his PT boat was on a night patrol and was run over by a Japanese destroyer when they blundered into each other. JFK organized the survivors and swam with them to shore, helping a badly wounded crewman, then swam for help.
    The destroyer captain survived the war and was interviewed by reporters when JFK was President. As I recall it was kind of funny, they breathlessly asked him to recount the story and the captain was somewhat nonplussed. He basically just said “uh, well we were on patrol, and we ran over a boat and were in a hurry so we didn’t stop”. “Are you happy you didn’t inadvertently kill the man who would become President of the US?” “Yeah sure, whatever”.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Alfa158

    It was an episode of McHale's Navy (comedy show about PT Boat commander

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McHale%27s_Navy

    and his doofus commanding officers.) Tim Conway was one of them and he actually was a great comedian though you probably did not see much of that in this stupid television show. McHale was a better driver than the Kennedy family members.

    Does anybody know the correct spelling of Kennedy, plural? Neither Kennedies nor Kennedys looks right to me so I have to write awkward sentences like the two previous!

    , @songbird
    @Alfa158


    The destroyer captain survived the war and was interviewed by reporters when JFK was President. As I recall it was kind of funny, they breathlessly asked him to recount the story and the captain was somewhat nonplussed. He basically just said “uh, well we were on patrol, and we ran over a boat and were in a hurry so we didn’t stop”. “Are you happy you didn’t inadvertently kill the man who would become President of the US?” “Yeah sure, whatever”.
     
    One of the funniest things that I ever heard was that clip from the Arab Spring, where an American reporter keeps asking a street protester what he thinks of Obama. Probably was in Cairo.
  41. @Ron Unz
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    WSJ: “Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.
     
    I've seen those same "expert" opinions quoted in the MSM, and they don't seem to make any sense.

    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia's important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.

    As far as I can tell, Russia's anti-missile defense systems are top quality, and they could probably shoot down all our old-fashioned cruise missiles. Meanwhile, their hypersonics seems to be completely unstoppable.

    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he'll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there's absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.

    Instead of arguing about stupid videos of individual tanks getting blown up, I think this is a much more important topic to consider. Is there any evidence that Ritter and the others who make this claim are incorrect?

    Fortunately, entirely contrary to our MSM propaganda, Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn't want to risk nuclear war. But given what seems to be Russia's clear conventional superiority, our very bad and provocative behavior over the last few years in Ukraine is dangerously crazy. But since everyone knows that America's leaders are crazy about so many other things, why should this be surprising?

    Replies: @utu, @Old Brown Fool, @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

    (1) Talking about Russia’s use of nuclear weapons is natural consequence of what Putin was intimating in his speeches and it is a well known Russian doctrine of de-escalation (of conventional war) via nuclear escalation so talking abpould could be justified. But I agree that Russia would not do it unless some Karlin like madman took over Kremlin but talking about it in our media actually serves Putin as it is defeatist in nature as Putin wants to bring Ukraine and the West sooner to the negotiating table. Your vigilance of picking up all anti-Russian vibes in the MSN seems to be off. Talking about nukes is pro-Russian because that’s what Russia wants us do.

    (2) US can do the same to Kremlin with ballistic missiles what you claim Moscow can do to Pentagon with its “hypersonic” wunderwaffe.

    (3) Does Russia have better anti-missile systems? Where did this idea come from? Can they intercept ballistic missiles that are as hypersonic as say, Russian Kinzhal. Kinzhal is modified Iskander. And Iskander not much different from Pershings that were retired in 1990’s?

    (4). Hype of hypersonic weapons.

    HYPERSONIC HYPE OVERESTIMATES MODERN MISSILE DEFENSE CAPABILITIES ( March 28, 2022)
    https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/hypersonic-hype-overestimates-modern-missile-defense-capabilities/

    Because most conversations surrounding hypersonic missiles tend to focus a great deal on the idea that they can’t be intercepted, the inference seems to be that non-hypersonic ballistic and cruise missiles are a problem that current air defenses have already solved. Below every story or video you can find online about the Kinzhal, for instance, you’ll find commenters arguing that the Kinzhal must be some kind of cutting-edge technology like the world has never seen, otherwise, the U.S. would have systems that can intercept it.

    This imaginary juxtaposition of “impossible to stop” future missiles against “practically useless” current missiles is, to be clear, just that: imaginary.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @utu

    The Saudis have had a fair amount of success against Houthi ballistic missiles using the PAC-3. I think they intercept like 50%, something that would have been unthinkable 30 years ago.

    , @Dmitry
    @utu


    Russia have better anti-missile system

     

    There is a system from the late Cold War (like a different idea than Reagan's "Star Wars"), to fire nuclear weapons above Moscow, to block intercontinental ballistic missiles. Nuclear weapons would explode to destroy or move the ICBM from its destination.

    The concept probably hasn't been tested except in the conceptual level, but it claimed it could succeed if 2 ICBMs are fired at Moscow. (But of course, in nuclear war, there will probably be dozens of ICBMs, with MIRV).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABM-1_Galosh
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-135_anti-ballistic_missile_system

    The USSR had probably more verifiable advantage compared to the USA, was the "passive defense" for civilians.

    In Soviet times, there was a gasmask available distribution for every citizen (to survive fallout). (However, this doesn't exist today).

    Moscow also has fallout shelters located in (at least some older) metro stations. This has even independent air and walls which raise to seal the station. There is a video report about this system.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=malfdupA30Y

  42. @Ron Unz
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    WSJ: “Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.
     
    I've seen those same "expert" opinions quoted in the MSM, and they don't seem to make any sense.

    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia's important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.

    As far as I can tell, Russia's anti-missile defense systems are top quality, and they could probably shoot down all our old-fashioned cruise missiles. Meanwhile, their hypersonics seems to be completely unstoppable.

    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he'll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there's absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.

    Instead of arguing about stupid videos of individual tanks getting blown up, I think this is a much more important topic to consider. Is there any evidence that Ritter and the others who make this claim are incorrect?

    Fortunately, entirely contrary to our MSM propaganda, Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn't want to risk nuclear war. But given what seems to be Russia's clear conventional superiority, our very bad and provocative behavior over the last few years in Ukraine is dangerously crazy. But since everyone knows that America's leaders are crazy about so many other things, why should this be surprising?

    Replies: @utu, @Old Brown Fool, @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he’ll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there’s absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.

    That would destroy the globalist deep state like nothing else. Alas, Putin is unlikely to go along with this idea. Because,

    Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn’t want to risk nuclear war

    But many times a rational individual cannot fight a crazy, wicked, evil oligarchy. Some quantity of unpredictability is absolutely essential. Nothing worse than the enemy predicting your reactions 100% under all circumstances.

  43. @utu
    @Ron Unz

    (1) Talking about Russia's use of nuclear weapons is natural consequence of what Putin was intimating in his speeches and it is a well known Russian doctrine of de-escalation (of conventional war) via nuclear escalation so talking abpould could be justified. But I agree that Russia would not do it unless some Karlin like madman took over Kremlin but talking about it in our media actually serves Putin as it is defeatist in nature as Putin wants to bring Ukraine and the West sooner to the negotiating table. Your vigilance of picking up all anti-Russian vibes in the MSN seems to be off. Talking about nukes is pro-Russian because that's what Russia wants us do.

    (2) US can do the same to Kremlin with ballistic missiles what you claim Moscow can do to Pentagon with its "hypersonic" wunderwaffe.

    (3) Does Russia have better anti-missile systems? Where did this idea come from? Can they intercept ballistic missiles that are as hypersonic as say, Russian Kinzhal. Kinzhal is modified Iskander. And Iskander not much different from Pershings that were retired in 1990's?

    (4). Hype of hypersonic weapons.



    HYPERSONIC HYPE OVERESTIMATES MODERN MISSILE DEFENSE CAPABILITIES ( March 28, 2022)
    https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/hypersonic-hype-overestimates-modern-missile-defense-capabilities/

    Because most conversations surrounding hypersonic missiles tend to focus a great deal on the idea that they can’t be intercepted, the inference seems to be that non-hypersonic ballistic and cruise missiles are a problem that current air defenses have already solved. Below every story or video you can find online about the Kinzhal, for instance, you’ll find commenters arguing that the Kinzhal must be some kind of cutting-edge technology like the world has never seen, otherwise, the U.S. would have systems that can intercept it.

    This imaginary juxtaposition of “impossible to stop” future missiles against “practically useless” current missiles is, to be clear, just that: imaginary.
     

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    The Saudis have had a fair amount of success against Houthi ballistic missiles using the PAC-3. I think they intercept like 50%, something that would have been unthinkable 30 years ago.

  44. German_reader says:

    Former president of Estonia. His profile pic shows him talking to John McCain.
    While I would even admit that Lindner’s behaviour towards the Ukrainian ambassador was inappropriate, I increasingly think those Baltic dwarf states should be ignored. Their representatives seem to be incapable of expressing themselves in a way that doesn’t let their deep-rooted inferiority complexes and resentments shine through.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    lol, and many here been making fun of soviet boomer Putler with his idiotic and delusional planing abilities, but appears he is no any different from some absolutely respectable average mainstream carreer politician in the middle of EU. Luckily it is bad omen for RF though ;)
    btw, honesty should be valued in such conversations, not condemned, as it saves very much time, so Ilves himself looks like quite an idiot too without a doubt, if he is really sincere.

    Replies: @German_reader

  45. @German_reader
    https://twitter.com/IlvesToomas/status/1508314604006428673?cxt=HHwWgsCy1YKJzu4pAAAA

    Former president of Estonia. His profile pic shows him talking to John McCain.
    While I would even admit that Lindner's behaviour towards the Ukrainian ambassador was inappropriate, I increasingly think those Baltic dwarf states should be ignored. Their representatives seem to be incapable of expressing themselves in a way that doesn't let their deep-rooted inferiority complexes and resentments shine through.

    Replies: @sudden death

    lol, and many here been making fun of soviet boomer Putler with his idiotic and delusional planing abilities, but appears he is no any different from some absolutely respectable average mainstream carreer politician in the middle of EU. Luckily it is bad omen for RF though 😉
    btw, honesty should be valued in such conversations, not condemned, as it saves very much time, so Ilves himself looks like quite an idiot too without a doubt, if he is really sincere.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    from some absolutely respectable average mainstream carreer politician in the middle of EU.
     
    Lindner isn't a politician I'm going to defend, and I would even admit that Germany's stance prior to the invasion (not sending weapons to Ukraine) was very misguided. Still, people like Ilves should learn to express their sentiments in a more diplomatic way. These points of view aren't constructive when it looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.
    And to be blunt, I'm really creeped out by the enthusiasm for people like John McCain...ok, I get many Eastern Europeans are legitimately afraid of Russia, but imo it's foolish if this translates into support for the most extreme American hegemonists.

    Replies: @sudden death, @iffen

  46. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    lol, and many here been making fun of soviet boomer Putler with his idiotic and delusional planing abilities, but appears he is no any different from some absolutely respectable average mainstream carreer politician in the middle of EU. Luckily it is bad omen for RF though ;)
    btw, honesty should be valued in such conversations, not condemned, as it saves very much time, so Ilves himself looks like quite an idiot too without a doubt, if he is really sincere.

    Replies: @German_reader

    from some absolutely respectable average mainstream carreer politician in the middle of EU.

    Lindner isn’t a politician I’m going to defend, and I would even admit that Germany’s stance prior to the invasion (not sending weapons to Ukraine) was very misguided. Still, people like Ilves should learn to express their sentiments in a more diplomatic way. These points of view aren’t constructive when it looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.
    And to be blunt, I’m really creeped out by the enthusiasm for people like John McCain…ok, I get many Eastern Europeans are legitimately afraid of Russia, but imo it’s foolish if this translates into support for the most extreme American hegemonists.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader


    looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.
     
    imho, there about 70% probability that all the fun with natgas export ban from RF will begin way sooner, next week even. OTOH it is way better to start all the forced natgas rationing in spring &summer, when overall demand is seasonally lower than in the middle of winter.

    30% leaving for the possibility of introducing some convoluted Kremlin financial legal scheming of EU natgas payments a la "baikal finans group" circa Yukos raiding era, which will change nothing in essence, but will be presented as some huge rouble victory through various RF prop channels for the gullible audiences both domestic&abroad.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @iffen
    @German_reader

    it looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.

    Not to worry, Ted Cruz will be sending you American LNG. You will, of course, have to pay 4-5 times what you would have paid for Russian gas, but you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you are helping the world's greatest defender and promoter of rainbow people and not some backward country that hates it's LGBTQXYZ citizens.

    Replies: @sudden death

  47. German_reader says:

    Globohomo news from Germany:
    https://jungefreiheit.de/debatte/kommentar/2022/transgender-maus/

    Sendung mit der Maus, one of Germany’s longest-running children’s tv programmes (aimed at children in kindergarten and elementary school), recently had a segment about transgenderism…ending on the hopeful note that soon everybody in Germany will be able to declare their gender according to their own desires without much legal hassle (this is a reference to legislation to that effect planned by the new government).
    TV must be one of the worst inventions ever, even if the medium isn’t inherently subversive, it’s certainly one of the more effective channels for re-propramming society.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    At least Germany is rich, so you can wipe your tears in eurobills. Meanwhile:

    https://twitter.com/NALSAR_Official/status/1507595201061163015

    The GDP of Somalia but the cultural mores of coastal America.

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    On twitter, Christopher Rufo recently posted a clip of a Disney executive producer, who appeared to be a black lesbo, saying her team has implemented a "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and is regularly "adding queerness" to children's programming.

    Replies: @A123

  48. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    from some absolutely respectable average mainstream carreer politician in the middle of EU.
     
    Lindner isn't a politician I'm going to defend, and I would even admit that Germany's stance prior to the invasion (not sending weapons to Ukraine) was very misguided. Still, people like Ilves should learn to express their sentiments in a more diplomatic way. These points of view aren't constructive when it looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.
    And to be blunt, I'm really creeped out by the enthusiasm for people like John McCain...ok, I get many Eastern Europeans are legitimately afraid of Russia, but imo it's foolish if this translates into support for the most extreme American hegemonists.

    Replies: @sudden death, @iffen

    looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.

    imho, there about 70% probability that all the fun with natgas export ban from RF will begin way sooner, next week even. OTOH it is way better to start all the forced natgas rationing in spring &summer, when overall demand is seasonally lower than in the middle of winter.

    30% leaving for the possibility of introducing some convoluted Kremlin financial legal scheming of EU natgas payments a la “baikal finans group” circa Yukos raiding era, which will change nothing in essence, but will be presented as some huge rouble victory through various RF prop channels for the gullible audiences both domestic&abroad.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Storage levels in Europe, already at levels that indicate issues next winter, are rebuilt in the summer. Also industry requires natural gas supply to keep the factories working, again there are already issues here. That is before we get in to issues regarding production of diesel, fertiliser and the myriad of items that are by-products of the energy sector. You sound as clueless as the neocons when they frog marched us off the economic cliff.

    Replies: @sudden death

  49. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    from some absolutely respectable average mainstream carreer politician in the middle of EU.
     
    Lindner isn't a politician I'm going to defend, and I would even admit that Germany's stance prior to the invasion (not sending weapons to Ukraine) was very misguided. Still, people like Ilves should learn to express their sentiments in a more diplomatic way. These points of view aren't constructive when it looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.
    And to be blunt, I'm really creeped out by the enthusiasm for people like John McCain...ok, I get many Eastern Europeans are legitimately afraid of Russia, but imo it's foolish if this translates into support for the most extreme American hegemonists.

    Replies: @sudden death, @iffen

    it looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.

    Not to worry, Ted Cruz will be sending you American LNG. You will, of course, have to pay 4-5 times what you would have paid for Russian gas, but you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you are helping the world’s greatest defender and promoter of rainbow people and not some backward country that hates it’s LGBTQXYZ citizens.

    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @iffen


    some backward country that hates it’s LGBTQXYZ citizens
     
    What a disgusting slander, how dare you?!

    https://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/philipp-kikorov-vladimir-putin-honour.jpg

    https://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Filipp-Kirkorov-mood-color-black-egor-kreed.jpg
  50. @iffen
    @German_reader

    it looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.

    Not to worry, Ted Cruz will be sending you American LNG. You will, of course, have to pay 4-5 times what you would have paid for Russian gas, but you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you are helping the world's greatest defender and promoter of rainbow people and not some backward country that hates it's LGBTQXYZ citizens.

    Replies: @sudden death

    some backward country that hates it’s LGBTQXYZ citizens

    What a disgusting slander, how dare you?!

  51. @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    Morgenshtern now prophetically a few months ahead of trend (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8y3z-I9VP4.)

    With the elite countries being as we know very difficult to enter from Russia for badly organized people who did not plan their life, and all accommodation overbooked in Armenia, Georgia et al.

    If I had a startup with team of employees in Russia (which is not any of my real life problems or anything I would know about organizing), I would be now speculating if I could re-locate in this theoretical scenario a team perhaps to Chile to still be accepted by international investors.

    Nobody talks about Chile, but they supposedly promote a "hi tech scene" there. For Russians it is very easy to learn Spanish (surprisingly similar language) to level to allow for daily living.

    It's definitely not an elite country, so I assume it would be easy to apply for working visas. On the other hand, standard of living is probably not so bad at all in Santiago for urban professionals. But perhaps it would not be so easy, as the politicians there have a lot of pressure from anti-immigrant sentiment protesters at the moment ( https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/venezuelan-migrants-chile-face-fiery-anti-immigration-protests-rcna2358 )

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Philip Owen

    Chile does happen to be sitting on very large reserves of Lithium, which is a good jump starter for hi tech.

  52. @Alfa158
    @songbird

    The story doesn’t appear to be concocted but it was promoted to bring him public attention and set him up for a political career. The writer John Hersey who later wrote Hiroshima, wrote a long recounting of the action that was published in New Yorker magazine during the war, thus bringing JFK to the attention of the journalists and elite who read that magazine.
    The actual event wasn’t quite Medal of Honor material but he was brave, did his duty and took care of his men. If you strip out the puffery and dramatization, basically his PT boat was on a night patrol and was run over by a Japanese destroyer when they blundered into each other. JFK organized the survivors and swam with them to shore, helping a badly wounded crewman, then swam for help.
    The destroyer captain survived the war and was interviewed by reporters when JFK was President. As I recall it was kind of funny, they breathlessly asked him to recount the story and the captain was somewhat nonplussed. He basically just said “uh, well we were on patrol, and we ran over a boat and were in a hurry so we didn’t stop”. “Are you happy you didn’t inadvertently kill the man who would become President of the US?” “Yeah sure, whatever”.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    It was an episode of McHale’s Navy (comedy show about PT Boat commander

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McHale%27s_Navy

    and his doofus commanding officers.) Tim Conway was one of them and he actually was a great comedian though you probably did not see much of that in this stupid television show. McHale was a better driver than the Kennedy family members.

    Does anybody know the correct spelling of Kennedy, plural? Neither Kennedies nor Kennedys looks right to me so I have to write awkward sentences like the two previous!

  53. Seen a few takes saying security guarantees are the equivalent of NATO so unacceptable to Russia, don’t understand this argument, the issue is foreign troops basing there, exercises with foreign militaries and WMDs, all of which are to be prohibited. Whether Ukraine ever joins the EU is doubtful, perhaps more of a sticking point though.

    Hopefully these talks will go somewhere, they seem to be doing so. Lets see how the crazies react…

  54. @sudden death
    @German_reader


    looks like the next winter might be rather problematic for Germany in terms of energy supply.
     
    imho, there about 70% probability that all the fun with natgas export ban from RF will begin way sooner, next week even. OTOH it is way better to start all the forced natgas rationing in spring &summer, when overall demand is seasonally lower than in the middle of winter.

    30% leaving for the possibility of introducing some convoluted Kremlin financial legal scheming of EU natgas payments a la "baikal finans group" circa Yukos raiding era, which will change nothing in essence, but will be presented as some huge rouble victory through various RF prop channels for the gullible audiences both domestic&abroad.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Storage levels in Europe, already at levels that indicate issues next winter, are rebuilt in the summer. Also industry requires natural gas supply to keep the factories working, again there are already issues here. That is before we get in to issues regarding production of diesel, fertiliser and the myriad of items that are by-products of the energy sector. You sound as clueless as the neocons when they frog marched us off the economic cliff.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    You're either not capable to grasp the very concept of rationing or have some strange illusions about EU being reliant 100% on RF natgas.

    All kinds of mentioned issues are inevitable and baked in as temporary rationing will be done both for industries and home consumers in order to make those mentioned problems more or less manageable through coming this and next year in case of RF natgas embargo.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  55. The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mr. Hack

    Trump let the Iranians bomb that US base, just political point scoring, Russia and Ukraine isn't something he will want to dog him in his second term. Instinctively antiwar.

    , @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

     

    Bludgeoning the current occupied White House is not a good predictor for future policy. Inferring, on your part, is a precarious position.

    Trump started no new wars despite being baited by sociopath Khamenei.

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/presidentswars-600x312.jpg
     

    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump's actual record.


    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?
     
    Posterity will judge Not-The-President Biden as a loose cannon, nearly provoking nuclear war. Posterity will judge those who avoided such a war as wise.

    ______

    Let me restate material from a prior post:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-182-russia-ukraine/#comment-5256569


    @MrHack
    My strategy is to wait till “the real not the president Trump” is reelected and becomes the real president again. He’ll correct things in the US and in Ukraine too, just wait and see. Putin will have no other choice but to remove all of his troops from Ukraine, in deference to Trump’s omniscient greatness.
     

    @A123
    There can be little doubt that Not-The-President Biden’s elevation emboldened aggressive WEF Elites. The Blue Coup color revolution in the U.S. placed a huge amount of pressure on Putin to act sooner rather than later.

    It is key to note that Trump is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. Your expectation that he will be able to somehow reverse Putin’s gains to date is badly misplaced. You have the magnitude wrong, and likely the direction too.

    I suspect Trump would tacitly endorse Putin’s border revisions as fait accompli. The last thing MAGA wants is Russia supporting the actual enemy to American worker/citizens. Peeling Russia away from China, at aggressor WEF/Ukraine expense, would be a win.
     

    Your expectation that Trump will ride in to save the day is deluded. This will be over in a few months.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    , @Radicalcenter
    @Mr. Hack

    Reading this makes me glad I voted third-party instead of trump the second time around.

    The US government does not need to instigate or escalate conflict any more than it has already. If Trump wants to help Americans be safer and less poor, he should call for an end to US invasions, occupations, and meddling far from our borders — and the gradual closure of most of our 700-plus bases abroad. That eliminates hundreds of “tripwires” that can get us unnecessarily into conflicts far from our borders. It will save more than $150 Billion per year, too, all of it borrowed.

    Instead, Trump appears content with the US’s military encirclement of Russia, its breaking of multiple clear high-level promises not to move NATO eastward, its apparent construction of biological-warfare laboratories on Russia’s borders, its economic sanctions designed to hurt average Russian families, its attempt to interfere in and overthrow governments or exacerbate unrest in neighboring CIS countries like Kazakhstan, its support for beating & terrorizing and discriminating against Russian-speakers in the ukraine, its assistance in inculcating ukrainian youth to hate their close kindred people in Russia proper, and its constant lies, exaggerations and insults against Russians.

    We don’t make America great again by spending ourselves further into oblivion. Trump’s preferred policy of massive ever-increasing military budgets and escalation of war with Russia isn’t even arguably in the interest of Americans. With the aggressive attempt to control the world and dictate to other countries far away from us, people like Trump ensure ever more government debt, ever higher interest payments on that debt, then hyperinflation and insolvency.

    But you appear to be correct that Trump was elected president of the USA, not fraudsident biden.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Radicalcenter
    @Mr. Hack

    Our kids are learning Mandarin. They’ll let you know how historians record this era.

    , @silviosilver
    @Mr. Hack


    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?
     
    As intelligent.

    (For once.)
  56. @Mr. Hack
    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

    https://youtu.be/X-c1Me0Kezg

    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?

    Replies: @LondonBob, @A123, @Radicalcenter, @Radicalcenter, @silviosilver

    Trump let the Iranians bomb that US base, just political point scoring, Russia and Ukraine isn’t something he will want to dog him in his second term. Instinctively antiwar.

  57. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

    https://youtu.be/X-c1Me0Kezg

    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?

    Replies: @LondonBob, @A123, @Radicalcenter, @Radicalcenter, @silviosilver

    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

    Bludgeoning the current occupied White House is not a good predictor for future policy. Inferring, on your part, is a precarious position.

    Trump started no new wars despite being baited by sociopath Khamenei.

      

    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.

    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?

    Posterity will judge Not-The-President Biden as a loose cannon, nearly provoking nuclear war. Posterity will judge those who avoided such a war as wise.

    ______

    Let me restate material from a prior post:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-182-russia-ukraine/#comment-5256569

    @MrHack
    My strategy is to wait till “the real not the president Trump” is reelected and becomes the real president again. He’ll correct things in the US and in Ukraine too, just wait and see. Putin will have no other choice but to remove all of his troops from Ukraine, in deference to Trump’s omniscient greatness.


    There can be little doubt that Not-The-President Biden’s elevation emboldened aggressive WEF Elites. The Blue Coup color revolution in the U.S. placed a huge amount of pressure on Putin to act sooner rather than later.

    It is key to note that Trump is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. Your expectation that he will be able to somehow reverse Putin’s gains to date is badly misplaced. You have the magnitude wrong, and likely the direction too.

    I suspect Trump would tacitly endorse Putin’s border revisions as fait accompli. The last thing MAGA wants is Russia supporting the actual enemy to American worker/citizens. Peeling Russia away from China, at aggressor WEF/Ukraine expense, would be a win.

    Your expectation that Trump will ride in to save the day is deluded. This will be over in a few months.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.
     
    I never inferred nor stated that Trump should start a war with Russia in order to presumably save Ukraine. For supposedly being a sophisticated commenter at this blog, you have this bad habit of putting words in peoples' mouths. Helping Ukraine out by sending some weaponry (planes) that it can use to defend itself, especially in its skys, would be heroic. To believe that Putin would retaliate against any such action by using atomic weaponry is foolish. Ronald Reagan stood up to a much stronger and unified Soviet Union, took a lot of flack for it, and remains a popular conservative cultural icon to this day. Your weak stance as to not supplying Ukraine with planes is much more reminiscent of the "loose canon" Biden, then either that of Trump or Reagan. :-(

    The fact remains that Trump is now on record for supporting planes for Ukraine, while you whimper around trying to run some sort of misdirection against his stated stance.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @utu, @for-the-record

    , @AP
    @A123


    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.
     
    Of course Trump would not start a war with Russia. He would just make Russia bleed more in its invasion of Ukraine.

    Trump started giving Ukraine lethal weapons after Obama/Biden refused to do so. Trump sanctioned Nordstream despite Germany's howls; Biden removed those sanctions. Trump demanded that European countries pour more money into their militaries, Biden and Obama didn't.

    Biden seems to have woken up to Russia when it was already clear that Putin would invade due to Biden's weakness and started pouring in weapons, but has refused to provide MIGs.
  58. @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

     

    Bludgeoning the current occupied White House is not a good predictor for future policy. Inferring, on your part, is a precarious position.

    Trump started no new wars despite being baited by sociopath Khamenei.

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/presidentswars-600x312.jpg
     

    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump's actual record.


    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?
     
    Posterity will judge Not-The-President Biden as a loose cannon, nearly provoking nuclear war. Posterity will judge those who avoided such a war as wise.

    ______

    Let me restate material from a prior post:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-182-russia-ukraine/#comment-5256569


    @MrHack
    My strategy is to wait till “the real not the president Trump” is reelected and becomes the real president again. He’ll correct things in the US and in Ukraine too, just wait and see. Putin will have no other choice but to remove all of his troops from Ukraine, in deference to Trump’s omniscient greatness.
     

    @A123
    There can be little doubt that Not-The-President Biden’s elevation emboldened aggressive WEF Elites. The Blue Coup color revolution in the U.S. placed a huge amount of pressure on Putin to act sooner rather than later.

    It is key to note that Trump is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. Your expectation that he will be able to somehow reverse Putin’s gains to date is badly misplaced. You have the magnitude wrong, and likely the direction too.

    I suspect Trump would tacitly endorse Putin’s border revisions as fait accompli. The last thing MAGA wants is Russia supporting the actual enemy to American worker/citizens. Peeling Russia away from China, at aggressor WEF/Ukraine expense, would be a win.
     

    Your expectation that Trump will ride in to save the day is deluded. This will be over in a few months.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.

    I never inferred nor stated that Trump should start a war with Russia in order to presumably save Ukraine. For supposedly being a sophisticated commenter at this blog, you have this bad habit of putting words in peoples’ mouths. Helping Ukraine out by sending some weaponry (planes) that it can use to defend itself, especially in its skys, would be heroic. To believe that Putin would retaliate against any such action by using atomic weaponry is foolish. Ronald Reagan stood up to a much stronger and unified Soviet Union, took a lot of flack for it, and remains a popular conservative cultural icon to this day. Your weak stance as to not supplying Ukraine with planes is much more reminiscent of the “loose canon” Biden, then either that of Trump or Reagan. 🙁

    The fact remains that Trump is now on record for supporting planes for Ukraine, while you whimper around trying to run some sort of misdirection against his stated stance.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    What does Ukraine need planes for (whose number would be rather limited in any case), the course of the war so far seems to indicate that anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles can be pretty effective, not least in urban combat.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    , @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    Your illiteracy is a severe problem. Combine that with your unsophisticated trolling and the most you can do is provide comic relief.

    -- You Keep Lying --
    -- We Keep Laughing --


    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @utu
    @Mr. Hack

    The planes should have and could have been given to Ukraine long time ago. But the process that was going on behind the scenes was sabotaged by making it public by, iirc Josep Borrell that led to Blinken's "green light" putting Poland on the spot and Poland's proposal to hand over planes to the US first and then Nuland and State Dept getting cold feet which all took place in the public sphere. The process that should have been kept behind the scenes was made public which allowed for the input and interference by all kinds of twats exemplified here by German_reader here and other Russian assets. Josep Borrell should be thoroughly X-rayed and subjected to very deep and invasive colonoscopy to find his Russian connections.

    Russian nuclear threats should be ignored in decisions making. The threats are made for the twats like German_reader and Russian assets to pick theme up and amplify. Russians will threaten us with nukes when we try to stop buying their gas and oil which is Russian version of gunboat diplomacy many orders of magnitude greater than opening Japan by Commodore Perry. But Japanese did not have guns while we have nukes. The doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction is here to stay and it keeps the balance as it kept before and us withdrawing from doing something because Russia is making threats only weakens the effectiveness of MAD and brings the war more likely. Thus the "Bring It On" attitude is what makes MAD effective. Russians know that that's why they so much rely on twats like German_reader to erode the MAD.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @for-the-record
    @Mr. Hack

    I never inferred nor stated that Trump should start a war

    Once is an innocent mistake, twice a misuse of the word. You mean implied not inferred.

    https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/imply-infer/

  59. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.
     
    I never inferred nor stated that Trump should start a war with Russia in order to presumably save Ukraine. For supposedly being a sophisticated commenter at this blog, you have this bad habit of putting words in peoples' mouths. Helping Ukraine out by sending some weaponry (planes) that it can use to defend itself, especially in its skys, would be heroic. To believe that Putin would retaliate against any such action by using atomic weaponry is foolish. Ronald Reagan stood up to a much stronger and unified Soviet Union, took a lot of flack for it, and remains a popular conservative cultural icon to this day. Your weak stance as to not supplying Ukraine with planes is much more reminiscent of the "loose canon" Biden, then either that of Trump or Reagan. :-(

    The fact remains that Trump is now on record for supporting planes for Ukraine, while you whimper around trying to run some sort of misdirection against his stated stance.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @utu, @for-the-record

    What does Ukraine need planes for (whose number would be rather limited in any case), the course of the war so far seems to indicate that anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles can be pretty effective, not least in urban combat.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I'm no military expert, but those in the know seem to indicate that planes would be needed in some instances, beyond drones and anti-air missiles. I often wonder how many planes Ukraine actually still has that can be used? Reports seem to indicate that they're still being used and are quite effective.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AP
    @German_reader

    Planes would not be central to Ukraine's defenses but it would be good to replace those that had been lost.

    Replies: @216

  60. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.
     
    I never inferred nor stated that Trump should start a war with Russia in order to presumably save Ukraine. For supposedly being a sophisticated commenter at this blog, you have this bad habit of putting words in peoples' mouths. Helping Ukraine out by sending some weaponry (planes) that it can use to defend itself, especially in its skys, would be heroic. To believe that Putin would retaliate against any such action by using atomic weaponry is foolish. Ronald Reagan stood up to a much stronger and unified Soviet Union, took a lot of flack for it, and remains a popular conservative cultural icon to this day. Your weak stance as to not supplying Ukraine with planes is much more reminiscent of the "loose canon" Biden, then either that of Trump or Reagan. :-(

    The fact remains that Trump is now on record for supporting planes for Ukraine, while you whimper around trying to run some sort of misdirection against his stated stance.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @utu, @for-the-record

    Your illiteracy is a severe problem. Combine that with your unsophisticated trolling and the most you can do is provide comic relief.

    — You Keep Lying —
    — We Keep Laughing —

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Your reply is pathetic. There was nothing at all unsophisticated, nor funny nor any lie within my reply. Your inability to respond (as others have) in an intelligent manner belies your weak and defenseless stance. Methinks that it's actually you who is acting the troll.

    Nobody's laughing, except maybe at you. :-)

    Replies: @A123

  61. @songbird
    @AP

    One could get a lot of droll observations about modern Western Europe from these young Ukrainians, by asking them the right questions.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    by asking them the right questions.

    [MORE]

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Blinky Bill


    https://twitter.com/PrefAquitaine33/status/1508138085091094529

    Some German journo also coined the term "Afrokrainer" ("Afrokrainians"), it's clear that the refugee movement from Ukraine will be exploited by Africans and other non-Europeans (the German government refuses to implement border controls, so anyone can come).

  62. @Mr. Hack
    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

    https://youtu.be/X-c1Me0Kezg

    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?

    Replies: @LondonBob, @A123, @Radicalcenter, @Radicalcenter, @silviosilver

    Reading this makes me glad I voted third-party instead of trump the second time around.

    The US government does not need to instigate or escalate conflict any more than it has already. If Trump wants to help Americans be safer and less poor, he should call for an end to US invasions, occupations, and meddling far from our borders — and the gradual closure of most of our 700-plus bases abroad. That eliminates hundreds of “tripwires” that can get us unnecessarily into conflicts far from our borders. It will save more than $150 Billion per year, too, all of it borrowed.

    Instead, Trump appears content with the US’s military encirclement of Russia, its breaking of multiple clear high-level promises not to move NATO eastward, its apparent construction of biological-warfare laboratories on Russia’s borders, its economic sanctions designed to hurt average Russian families, its attempt to interfere in and overthrow governments or exacerbate unrest in neighboring CIS countries like Kazakhstan, its support for beating & terrorizing and discriminating against Russian-speakers in the ukraine, its assistance in inculcating ukrainian youth to hate their close kindred people in Russia proper, and its constant lies, exaggerations and insults against Russians.

    We don’t make America great again by spending ourselves further into oblivion. Trump’s preferred policy of massive ever-increasing military budgets and escalation of war with Russia isn’t even arguably in the interest of Americans. With the aggressive attempt to control the world and dictate to other countries far away from us, people like Trump ensure ever more government debt, ever higher interest payments on that debt, then hyperinflation and insolvency.

    But you appear to be correct that Trump was elected president of the USA, not fraudsident biden.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Radicalcenter


    you appear to be correct that Trump was elected president of the USA, not fraudsident biden.
     
    Almost everyone has reached this conclusion. Every objective look at 2020 demonstrates more vote fraud. (1)

    In his report, on the Public Choice website but still awaiting final approval, Lott said that there were 255,000 excess votes and possibly as many as 368,000 for Biden in the key states.
    ...
    He concluded, “The voter turnout rate data provide stronger evidence of significant excess Biden votes in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The estimates imply that the counties wherein vote fraud was alleged returned between 142,000 and 368,000 excess Biden votes. While the findings reported here are dramatic, they may be underestimates because the voter turnout estimates do not account for ballots cast for the opposing candidate that are lost, destroyed, or replaced with ballots filled out for the other candidate.
     
    Anyone claiming Not-The-President Biden as legitimate are at best out-of-touch, at worst genuinely irrational.

    Trump appears content with the US’s military encirclement of Russia, its breaking of multiple clear high-level promises not to move NATO eastward, ...

     

    You are falling into the same bad assumption as Mr. Troll.

    While Trump should be in office, he is not. He is not even formally campaigning as a candidate at this point. Trump is not in a position to officially set policy, thus he has much broader latitude to roast the occupied White House.

    His record while in office shows substantial resistance to the excesses of NeoConDemocrat warmongers.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/washington-secrets/new-report-255-000-excess-votes-for-biden-in-six-key-2020-states
  63. @Blinky Bill
    @songbird


    by asking them the right questions.
     

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPAlkWFXMAQIpA7.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader

    [MORE]

    Some German journo also coined the term “Afrokrainer” (“Afrokrainians”), it’s clear that the refugee movement from Ukraine will be exploited by Africans and other non-Europeans (the German government refuses to implement border controls, so anyone can come).

  64. @Mr. Hack
    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

    https://youtu.be/X-c1Me0Kezg

    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?

    Replies: @LondonBob, @A123, @Radicalcenter, @Radicalcenter, @silviosilver

    Our kids are learning Mandarin. They’ll let you know how historians record this era.

  65. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.
     
    I never inferred nor stated that Trump should start a war with Russia in order to presumably save Ukraine. For supposedly being a sophisticated commenter at this blog, you have this bad habit of putting words in peoples' mouths. Helping Ukraine out by sending some weaponry (planes) that it can use to defend itself, especially in its skys, would be heroic. To believe that Putin would retaliate against any such action by using atomic weaponry is foolish. Ronald Reagan stood up to a much stronger and unified Soviet Union, took a lot of flack for it, and remains a popular conservative cultural icon to this day. Your weak stance as to not supplying Ukraine with planes is much more reminiscent of the "loose canon" Biden, then either that of Trump or Reagan. :-(

    The fact remains that Trump is now on record for supporting planes for Ukraine, while you whimper around trying to run some sort of misdirection against his stated stance.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @utu, @for-the-record

    The planes should have and could have been given to Ukraine long time ago. But the process that was going on behind the scenes was sabotaged by making it public by, iirc Josep Borrell that led to Blinken’s “green light” putting Poland on the spot and Poland’s proposal to hand over planes to the US first and then Nuland and State Dept getting cold feet which all took place in the public sphere. The process that should have been kept behind the scenes was made public which allowed for the input and interference by all kinds of twats exemplified here by German_reader here and other Russian assets. Josep Borrell should be thoroughly X-rayed and subjected to very deep and invasive colonoscopy to find his Russian connections.

    Russian nuclear threats should be ignored in decisions making. The threats are made for the twats like German_reader and Russian assets to pick theme up and amplify. Russians will threaten us with nukes when we try to stop buying their gas and oil which is Russian version of gunboat diplomacy many orders of magnitude greater than opening Japan by Commodore Perry. But Japanese did not have guns while we have nukes. The doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction is here to stay and it keeps the balance as it kept before and us withdrawing from doing something because Russia is making threats only weakens the effectiveness of MAD and brings the war more likely. Thus the “Bring It On” attitude is what makes MAD effective. Russians know that that’s why they so much rely on twats like German_reader to erode the MAD.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @utu


    The process that should have been kept behind the scenes was made public which allowed for the input and interference by all kinds of twats exemplified here by German_reader here and other Russian assets.
     
    Yeah, I'm sure they didn't send those planes because of me.
    The planes are merely a symbolic issue anyway, the number of MiGs from Eastern EU states that could be given away can't be that high, and of course you're not even trying to make a case they would have much effect on the war (unlike the anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles which have proven to be effective in degrading Russian capabilities).

    Russian nuclear threats should be ignored in decisions making.
     
    Boomer who's spent the last two years hysterically screeching about Corona thinks one should totally ignore the nuke issue in decision-making. Can't make this shit up.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @LatW

  66. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    I found Ursula von der Leyen amusing when she said “We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over.”

    I mean, she has to be talking about winter, right? But that seems like very short term thinking. And total lack of thought about industry.

    I suspect that, short of some peace deal (which may be unlikely), the EU elites would be willing to go to rationing, as long as it remains a workable solution for staying in power.

    Replies: @Beckow, @216

    We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over.

    Thus spoke Ursula: a perfect example of an assistant school principal rising to the heights if power. They have one in England too, even dumber. The time for running in the hallways is over!!!

    Brussels is committed – the switch to rubles would be too humiliating and very public. We will get rationing, promises, blackmail – block any oil and gas they can, that’s what navies are for.

    Russia’s point is simple: you can’t pay us in money that you then freeze. Saying that energy is exempted is nonsense – money is fungible. EU in effect demands energy from Russia for free – that’s what freezing the euro payment accounts means. Let’s see who blinks.

    Kiev has tried this and ended up buying with a huge mark-up through intermediaries. It can be costly. Anyone can open an energy shop in Yerevan or Istanbul and for a fee exchange euros for rubles. (Yevardian is leaving, maybe he smells a business opportunity?)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    mells a business
     
    Lol I would guess most commercial materialist oriented personalities in Armenia, who are not connected to the political class, will have emigrated to Glendale, or at least Moscow nowadays. Cutting a little money changing currency in Erevan or Gyumri does not seem such a great opportunity by comparison.

    Yevardian seems more interested in secularized cultural, coffee house, branch of the Armenian society. He starts to write more confidently, when writing about literary criticism, Dostoevsky, Basque history. Although unusual to be with us, as those kind of people seem very politically liberal on average.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Aedib
    @Beckow

    The market seems to believe more on Peskov words than on Ursula words.

    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1508780448608137224/photo/2

    , @songbird
    @Beckow

    Zelenksy called on Arab countries to supply more oil and gas to Europe. No wait - that was last Saturday. Today, he campaigned for a quick transition to green energy.

    Replies: @Beckow

  67. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @Mr. Hack

    The planes should have and could have been given to Ukraine long time ago. But the process that was going on behind the scenes was sabotaged by making it public by, iirc Josep Borrell that led to Blinken's "green light" putting Poland on the spot and Poland's proposal to hand over planes to the US first and then Nuland and State Dept getting cold feet which all took place in the public sphere. The process that should have been kept behind the scenes was made public which allowed for the input and interference by all kinds of twats exemplified here by German_reader here and other Russian assets. Josep Borrell should be thoroughly X-rayed and subjected to very deep and invasive colonoscopy to find his Russian connections.

    Russian nuclear threats should be ignored in decisions making. The threats are made for the twats like German_reader and Russian assets to pick theme up and amplify. Russians will threaten us with nukes when we try to stop buying their gas and oil which is Russian version of gunboat diplomacy many orders of magnitude greater than opening Japan by Commodore Perry. But Japanese did not have guns while we have nukes. The doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction is here to stay and it keeps the balance as it kept before and us withdrawing from doing something because Russia is making threats only weakens the effectiveness of MAD and brings the war more likely. Thus the "Bring It On" attitude is what makes MAD effective. Russians know that that's why they so much rely on twats like German_reader to erode the MAD.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The process that should have been kept behind the scenes was made public which allowed for the input and interference by all kinds of twats exemplified here by German_reader here and other Russian assets.

    Yeah, I’m sure they didn’t send those planes because of me.
    The planes are merely a symbolic issue anyway, the number of MiGs from Eastern EU states that could be given away can’t be that high, and of course you’re not even trying to make a case they would have much effect on the war (unlike the anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles which have proven to be effective in degrading Russian capabilities).

    Russian nuclear threats should be ignored in decisions making.

    Boomer who’s spent the last two years hysterically screeching about Corona thinks one should totally ignore the nuke issue in decision-making. Can’t make this shit up.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @German_reader

    Haven't you read what utu said to me about nuclear war?

    , @LatW
    @German_reader


    The planes are merely a symbolic issue anyway, the number of MiGs from Eastern EU states that could be given away can’t be that high
     
    By the way, there was some talk about the Warsaw Pact weapons that the Federal Germany took over from GDR. Some of those may even have been constructed by Ukrainians back in the day. The Ukrainians inquired about those weapons. But Germany apparently did an inventory and said there was very little left of use.

    The Ukrainian Air Force has actually been very efficient. They are taking out Russian Su's in respectable numbers. There is a limited number of pilots Russia possesses (each pilot takes like $8M and years to get trained & prepared). If it wasn't for the Ukrainian Air Force (including the famous Ghost of Kyiv, who apparently was real), much more damage would probably have been inflicted by Russia. So more planes for Ukraine definitely would've helped (potentially changed the course of the war in Ukraine's favor even earlier, although the turn of March 25 has been sensational as it is).

    Replies: @German_reader

  68. @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    Your illiteracy is a severe problem. Combine that with your unsophisticated trolling and the most you can do is provide comic relief.

    -- You Keep Lying --
    -- We Keep Laughing --


    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Your reply is pathetic. There was nothing at all unsophisticated, nor funny nor any lie within my reply. Your inability to respond (as others have) in an intelligent manner belies your weak and defenseless stance. Methinks that it’s actually you who is acting the troll.

    Nobody’s laughing, except maybe at you. 🙂

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Troll,

    ROTFLMAO

    My reply is accurate. Your denial is ludicrous.

    Let us examine your histrionic diatribe / fake position.

    -- Cowardice = Sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    -- Bravery = Adding a tiny number of planes unlikely to be useful.

    According to you, Mr. Troll, actions that change nothing are determinate between Cowardice & Bravery. No one with two brain cells to rub together would attempt make that sort of specious, bizzaro-land distinction.

    PEACE 😇
    _________________________________

    We are not laughing with you.
       We are all laughing at you!!!

    _________________________________

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  69. A123 says: • Website
    @Radicalcenter
    @Mr. Hack

    Reading this makes me glad I voted third-party instead of trump the second time around.

    The US government does not need to instigate or escalate conflict any more than it has already. If Trump wants to help Americans be safer and less poor, he should call for an end to US invasions, occupations, and meddling far from our borders — and the gradual closure of most of our 700-plus bases abroad. That eliminates hundreds of “tripwires” that can get us unnecessarily into conflicts far from our borders. It will save more than $150 Billion per year, too, all of it borrowed.

    Instead, Trump appears content with the US’s military encirclement of Russia, its breaking of multiple clear high-level promises not to move NATO eastward, its apparent construction of biological-warfare laboratories on Russia’s borders, its economic sanctions designed to hurt average Russian families, its attempt to interfere in and overthrow governments or exacerbate unrest in neighboring CIS countries like Kazakhstan, its support for beating & terrorizing and discriminating against Russian-speakers in the ukraine, its assistance in inculcating ukrainian youth to hate their close kindred people in Russia proper, and its constant lies, exaggerations and insults against Russians.

    We don’t make America great again by spending ourselves further into oblivion. Trump’s preferred policy of massive ever-increasing military budgets and escalation of war with Russia isn’t even arguably in the interest of Americans. With the aggressive attempt to control the world and dictate to other countries far away from us, people like Trump ensure ever more government debt, ever higher interest payments on that debt, then hyperinflation and insolvency.

    But you appear to be correct that Trump was elected president of the USA, not fraudsident biden.

    Replies: @A123

    you appear to be correct that Trump was elected president of the USA, not fraudsident biden.

    Almost everyone has reached this conclusion. Every objective look at 2020 demonstrates more vote fraud. (1)

    In his report, on the Public Choice website but still awaiting final approval, Lott said that there were 255,000 excess votes and possibly as many as 368,000 for Biden in the key states.

    He concluded, “The voter turnout rate data provide stronger evidence of significant excess Biden votes in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The estimates imply that the counties wherein vote fraud was alleged returned between 142,000 and 368,000 excess Biden votes. While the findings reported here are dramatic, they may be underestimates because the voter turnout estimates do not account for ballots cast for the opposing candidate that are lost, destroyed, or replaced with ballots filled out for the other candidate.

    Anyone claiming Not-The-President Biden as legitimate are at best out-of-touch, at worst genuinely irrational.

    Trump appears content with the US’s military encirclement of Russia, its breaking of multiple clear high-level promises not to move NATO eastward, …

    You are falling into the same bad assumption as Mr. Troll.

    While Trump should be in office, he is not. He is not even formally campaigning as a candidate at this point. Trump is not in a position to officially set policy, thus he has much broader latitude to roast the occupied White House.

    His record while in office shows substantial resistance to the excesses of NeoConDemocrat warmongers.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/washington-secrets/new-report-255-000-excess-votes-for-biden-in-six-key-2020-states

  70. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    What does Ukraine need planes for (whose number would be rather limited in any case), the course of the war so far seems to indicate that anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles can be pretty effective, not least in urban combat.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    I’m no military expert, but those in the know seem to indicate that planes would be needed in some instances, beyond drones and anti-air missiles. I often wonder how many planes Ukraine actually still has that can be used? Reports seem to indicate that they’re still being used and are quite effective.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Ok, I'm no military expert either. I don't really have a position whether it would be a good idea or not to give Ukraine those planes, on some level it shouldn't be any more escalatory than the arms shipments that are already happening. But I don't know how much it would impact the defense capabilities of Eastern EU members.

    Replies: @Beckow

  71. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I'm no military expert, but those in the know seem to indicate that planes would be needed in some instances, beyond drones and anti-air missiles. I often wonder how many planes Ukraine actually still has that can be used? Reports seem to indicate that they're still being used and are quite effective.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Ok, I’m no military expert either. I don’t really have a position whether it would be a good idea or not to give Ukraine those planes, on some level it shouldn’t be any more escalatory than the arms shipments that are already happening. But I don’t know how much it would impact the defense capabilities of Eastern EU members.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ....it would impact the defense capabilities of Eastern EU members.
     
    Do you mean NATO members? This confusing EU and NATO shows that you really don't understand much of anything.

    But there would be no impact, we don't shoot at each others lately and any threat from Russia would be long-distance, the MIGs couldn't do anything about it.

    If the MIGs move to Ukraine they would be quickly destroyed. The weaker side in a war should minimize potential targets. Kiev is doing the opposite: digging in its forces so they can be gradually obliterated, prancing around places like Mariupol where there is no way to escape, showcasing planes and 'volunteers' so Russia has more targets.

    The way to get something out of this for Kiev is jiu-jitsu: stop shooting, withdraw and scatter. That would preserve Ukie forces, put Russians in a difficult position of responsibility for civilians, and move the conflict from war to discussions: West is clearly better at talking than Russia. Russia traditionally wins wars and loses peace.

    But Washington prefers Ukie martyrs, more blood the better - they really don't care much how people in Ukraine live, they are just props in their power games.

    Replies: @German_reader

  72. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Your reply is pathetic. There was nothing at all unsophisticated, nor funny nor any lie within my reply. Your inability to respond (as others have) in an intelligent manner belies your weak and defenseless stance. Methinks that it's actually you who is acting the troll.

    Nobody's laughing, except maybe at you. :-)

    Replies: @A123

    Mr. Troll,

    ROTFLMAO

    My reply is accurate. Your denial is ludicrous.

    Let us examine your histrionic diatribe / fake position.

    — Cowardice = Sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    — Bravery = Adding a tiny number of planes unlikely to be useful.

    According to you, Mr. Troll, actions that change nothing are determinate between Cowardice & Bravery. No one with two brain cells to rub together would attempt make that sort of specious, bizzaro-land distinction.

    PEACE 😇
    _________________________________

    We are not laughing with you.
       We are all laughing at you!!!

    _________________________________

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Hey, I know that you've been scrambling to counter Trump's recent call to send some planes to Ukraine. I'll even concede that it's in part politically motivated to make Biden (and guys like you) look cowardly. Last time around I suggested that you take two aspirins to deal with the pain. Calling me names wont help. Maybe this time try a good stiff drink of good old fashioned American bourbon to cope. :-)

    Replies: @A123

  73. Russia is one of the few White countries that doesn’t allow endless third world immigration.

    Another country is Ukraine.

    But the White nationalists here think it is a win against the Jews to have Russia butcher White Ukrainians.

    White nationalists like Anglin that defend Putin should line up on a bridge and jump off while shouting

    INTERNATIONAL JEWRY I STAB AT THEE

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @John Johnson

    No.

    Anti Russian dogma is hideous and stupid. The demise of Soviet communism and the appearance of a far freer Russia is fabulous. Humanity is winning you idiots.

    I am not a Russian asset. I am a moose asset.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/ad/f0/49adf00d2b74ab7b55f870947ca9747a.jpg

    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    WN are split on this question. Besides, legally speaking if you go to fight for either state you are giving yourself a legal problem.

  74. @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Troll,

    ROTFLMAO

    My reply is accurate. Your denial is ludicrous.

    Let us examine your histrionic diatribe / fake position.

    -- Cowardice = Sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    -- Bravery = Adding a tiny number of planes unlikely to be useful.

    According to you, Mr. Troll, actions that change nothing are determinate between Cowardice & Bravery. No one with two brain cells to rub together would attempt make that sort of specious, bizzaro-land distinction.

    PEACE 😇
    _________________________________

    We are not laughing with you.
       We are all laughing at you!!!

    _________________________________

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Hey, I know that you’ve been scrambling to counter Trump’s recent call to send some planes to Ukraine. I’ll even concede that it’s in part politically motivated to make Biden (and guys like you) look cowardly. Last time around I suggested that you take two aspirins to deal with the pain. Calling me names wont help. Maybe this time try a good stiff drink of good old fashioned American bourbon to cope. 🙂

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Troll,

    Why are you ducking the question?

    Your accusations depend on your definition of bravery and your definition of cowardice.

    Based on your inarticulate posting, this is the best possible analysis of you position:

    — Cowardice = Sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    — Bravery = Adding a tiny number of planes unlikely to be useful.

    If this is not an accurate grasp of your near illiterate deployment of the English language. Please provide explicit, unambiguous definitions for bravery and cowardice in terms of *exact* count and types of material that needs to be delivered to Zelensky before he loses.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  75. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Ok, I'm no military expert either. I don't really have a position whether it would be a good idea or not to give Ukraine those planes, on some level it shouldn't be any more escalatory than the arms shipments that are already happening. But I don't know how much it would impact the defense capabilities of Eastern EU members.

    Replies: @Beckow

    ….it would impact the defense capabilities of Eastern EU members.

    Do you mean NATO members? This confusing EU and NATO shows that you really don’t understand much of anything.

    But there would be no impact, we don’t shoot at each others lately and any threat from Russia would be long-distance, the MIGs couldn’t do anything about it.

    If the MIGs move to Ukraine they would be quickly destroyed. The weaker side in a war should minimize potential targets. Kiev is doing the opposite: digging in its forces so they can be gradually obliterated, prancing around places like Mariupol where there is no way to escape, showcasing planes and ‘volunteers’ so Russia has more targets.

    The way to get something out of this for Kiev is jiu-jitsu: stop shooting, withdraw and scatter. That would preserve Ukie forces, put Russians in a difficult position of responsibility for civilians, and move the conflict from war to discussions: West is clearly better at talking than Russia. Russia traditionally wins wars and loses peace.

    But Washington prefers Ukie martyrs, more blood the better – they really don’t care much how people in Ukraine live, they are just props in their power games.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Do you mean NATO members? This confusing EU and NATO shows that you really don’t understand much of anything.
     
    Was somewhat sloppy on my part, but the Eastern EU members are all in NATO (and iirc Russia in 2014 also seemed to regard the two organizations as linked; btw, wtf, Albania and Montenegro are in NATO? I'm sure I registered it at the time of their accession, but still shocking to be reminded of this absurdity).
    Disagree about your recommendations for Ukraine, they have to keep fighting until Russia is willing to settle for acceptable terms.
    Anyway, since I manage to get shit both from you and that miserable old fool utu (who by now belongs in a padded cell, given his insane, paranoid ranting about "Russian assets" hiding in cupboards and who knows where else) I probably should follow Yevardian and take a break from this comments section. Almost everything worth saying about this war has been said many times over anyway, not much point to write more until there's some sort of conclusion.

    Replies: @Beckow

  76. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ....it would impact the defense capabilities of Eastern EU members.
     
    Do you mean NATO members? This confusing EU and NATO shows that you really don't understand much of anything.

    But there would be no impact, we don't shoot at each others lately and any threat from Russia would be long-distance, the MIGs couldn't do anything about it.

    If the MIGs move to Ukraine they would be quickly destroyed. The weaker side in a war should minimize potential targets. Kiev is doing the opposite: digging in its forces so they can be gradually obliterated, prancing around places like Mariupol where there is no way to escape, showcasing planes and 'volunteers' so Russia has more targets.

    The way to get something out of this for Kiev is jiu-jitsu: stop shooting, withdraw and scatter. That would preserve Ukie forces, put Russians in a difficult position of responsibility for civilians, and move the conflict from war to discussions: West is clearly better at talking than Russia. Russia traditionally wins wars and loses peace.

    But Washington prefers Ukie martyrs, more blood the better - they really don't care much how people in Ukraine live, they are just props in their power games.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Do you mean NATO members? This confusing EU and NATO shows that you really don’t understand much of anything.

    Was somewhat sloppy on my part, but the Eastern EU members are all in NATO (and iirc Russia in 2014 also seemed to regard the two organizations as linked; btw, wtf, Albania and Montenegro are in NATO? I’m sure I registered it at the time of their accession, but still shocking to be reminded of this absurdity).
    Disagree about your recommendations for Ukraine, they have to keep fighting until Russia is willing to settle for acceptable terms.
    Anyway, since I manage to get shit both from you and that miserable old fool utu (who by now belongs in a padded cell, given his insane, paranoid ranting about “Russian assets” hiding in cupboards and who knows where else) I probably should follow Yevardian and take a break from this comments section. Almost everything worth saying about this war has been said many times over anyway, not much point to write more until there’s some sort of conclusion.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader

    You are right, sorry...I typed w/out much reflection...It happens when one lives in a cupboard :). But there is difference between EU and NATO: with some exceptions (Poland, Lithuania) support for joining NATO in East-Central Europe was low: 30-40%. Then EU made it clear that there will be no EU without first NATO and that moved things along. In effect a blackmail.

    With Ukraine it is similar: Russia never objected to Ukraine in EU, they simply said there would be economic consequences since one can't have open trading borders with both. EU was the one that didn't want Ukraine - and still doesn't. Russia objected to NATO - West intentionally confuses it for propaganda.

    If Kiev waits for acceptable terms they will lose people-assets and likely worsen their military situation. They are not winning and time is not on their side. It is likely that as Russia invests more in the fighting - and correspondingly has more losses - they will want to get more. The Black See coast is very tempting. You only fight a grinding attrition war if you can eventually win or get a stalemate. Based on Russia's situation they will not settle for less. More fighting makes the eventual deal worse for Kiev. The best deal they could have gotten on the eve of the war, but that opportunity is gone.

    'utu' has become totally unhinged. He is old and knows how this will turn out, so seethes with anger. But we get to see a real example of how societies descend into paranoid madness. The 20th century explained in front of our eyes, we have not moved too far from out grandparents.

  77. @Ron Unz
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    WSJ: “Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.
     
    I've seen those same "expert" opinions quoted in the MSM, and they don't seem to make any sense.

    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia's important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.

    As far as I can tell, Russia's anti-missile defense systems are top quality, and they could probably shoot down all our old-fashioned cruise missiles. Meanwhile, their hypersonics seems to be completely unstoppable.

    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he'll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there's absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.

    Instead of arguing about stupid videos of individual tanks getting blown up, I think this is a much more important topic to consider. Is there any evidence that Ritter and the others who make this claim are incorrect?

    Fortunately, entirely contrary to our MSM propaganda, Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn't want to risk nuclear war. But given what seems to be Russia's clear conventional superiority, our very bad and provocative behavior over the last few years in Ukraine is dangerously crazy. But since everyone knows that America's leaders are crazy about so many other things, why should this be surprising?

    Replies: @utu, @Old Brown Fool, @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

    fashioned cruise missiles

    Strategic nuclear weapons are fired by intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    Cruise missiles are a kind of small unmanned, subsonic kamikaze plane. They are used for tactical bombing of fixed targets.

    shoot down all our

    From all I read, intercontinental ballistic missiles cannot be intercepted by current missile defense, well at least with MIRV (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle).

    NATO’s strategic nuclear weapons use MIRV, while Russia is currently also upgrading to this system (with around 30% of strategic missiles now claimed to be moving to MIRV according to the articles I read)

    their hypersonics seems to be

    Strategic nuclear weapons, on all sides, will be from intercontinental ballistic missiles, which are “hypersonic” (above Mach 5). For example, the new intercontinental ballistic missiles are going to Mach 23.

    In strategic missile conflict between Russia vs. USA (with maybe UK and France). Weapons used will be these below.

    Russia
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava
    From land
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2PM2_Topol-M

    USA
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGM-133_Trident_II
    From land
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman

    France
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M51_(missile)

    United Kingdom
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(UK_nuclear_programme)

    rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn’t want to risk nuclear war.

    Nuclear war is always very unlikely, but because as an ordinary citizen we can’t really know how unlikely. It is still a good idea to know how you would manage.

    There is the map of probable targets in the USA according to Federal Emergency Management Agency. Blast radius is not that large of the weapons and number fired would not be as many as shown in this map, but fallout would be going over wider areas.

    For Russia, NATO would probably focus on “genociding” the country by destroying of cities.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    From all I read, intercontinental ballistic missiles cannot be intercepted by current missile defense, well at least with MIRV (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle).
     
    Of course not. I'm not talking about nuclear ICBMs but instead conventional hypersonics. As Ritter points out, the fact that they're maneuverable means that they can't be intercepted by standard anti-missile defenses.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Dmitry

    Russia is far too vulnerable to being crippled by attacks on Moscow and SPB.

    Russia needs to reduce the extreme concentration of people, jobs, and factories in Moscow and SPB areas and incentivize people to move to the far eastern oblasty (and incentivize them much more financially to have a big family) ASAP. Start building and populating those Far Eastern District cities we have been hearing Putin and Shoigu et al. tout.

  78. @Ron Unz
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    WSJ: “Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.
     
    I've seen those same "expert" opinions quoted in the MSM, and they don't seem to make any sense.

    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia's important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.

    As far as I can tell, Russia's anti-missile defense systems are top quality, and they could probably shoot down all our old-fashioned cruise missiles. Meanwhile, their hypersonics seems to be completely unstoppable.

    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he'll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there's absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.

    Instead of arguing about stupid videos of individual tanks getting blown up, I think this is a much more important topic to consider. Is there any evidence that Ritter and the others who make this claim are incorrect?

    Fortunately, entirely contrary to our MSM propaganda, Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn't want to risk nuclear war. But given what seems to be Russia's clear conventional superiority, our very bad and provocative behavior over the last few years in Ukraine is dangerously crazy. But since everyone knows that America's leaders are crazy about so many other things, why should this be surprising?

    Replies: @utu, @Old Brown Fool, @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia’s important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.

    I suspect you’ve already read his latest in-depth analysis, in case you haven’t and for the benefit of others.

    [MORE]

    1/ Big Arrow War—a primer. For all those scratching their heads in confusion, or dusting off their dress uniforms for the Ukrainian victory parade in Kiev, over the news about Russia’s “strategic shift”, you might want to re-familiarize yourself with basic military concepts.

    2/ Maneuver warfare is a good place to start. Understand Russia started its “special military operation” with a severe manpower deficit—200,000 attackers to some 600,000 defenders (or more). Classic attritional conflict was never an option. Russian victory required maneuver.

    3/ Maneuver war is more psychological than physical and focuses more on the operational than on the tactical level. Maneuver is relational movement—how you deploy and move your forces in relation to your opponent. Russian maneuver in the first phase of its operation support this.

    4/ The Russians needed to shape the battlefield to their advantage. In order to do this, they needed to control how Ukraine employed it’s numerically superior forces, while distributing their own smaller combat power to best accomplish this objective.

    5/ Strategically, to facilitate the ability to maneuver between the southern, central, and northern fronts, Russia needed to secure a land bridge between Crimea and Russia. The seizure of the coastal city of Mariupol was critical to this effort. Russia has accomplished this task.

    6/ While this complex operation unfolded, Russia needed to keep Ukraine from maneuvering its numerically superior forces in a manner that disrupted the Mariupol operation. This entailed the use of several strategic supporting operations—feints, fixing operations, and deep attack.

    7/ The concept of a feint is simple—a military force either is seen as preparing to attack a given location, or actually conducts an attack, for the purpose of deceiving an opponent into committing resources in response to the perceived or actual actions.

    8/ The use of the feint played a major role in Desert Storm, where Marine Amphibious forces threatened the Kuwaiti coast, forcing Iraq to defend against an attack that never came, and where the 1st Cavalry Division actually attacked Wadi Al Batin to pin down the Republican Guard.

    9/ The Russians made extensive use of the feint in Ukraine, with Amphibious forces off Odessa freezing Ukrainian forces there, and a major feint attack toward Kiev compelling Ukraine to reinforce their forces there. Ukraine was never able to reinforce their forces in the east.

    10/ Fixing operations were also critical. Ukraine had assembled some 60,000-100,000 troops in the east, opposite Donbas. Russia carried out a broad fixing attack designed to keep these forces fully engaged and unable to maneuver in respect to other Russian operations.

    11/ During Desert Storm, two Marine Divisions were ordered to carry out similar fixing attacks against Iraqi forces deployed along the Kuwaiti-Saudi border, tying down significant numbers of men and material that could not be used to counter the main US attack out west.

    12/ The Russian fixing attack pinned the main Ukrainian concentration of forces in the east, and drove them away from Mariupol, which was invested and reduced. Supporting operations out of Crimea against Kherson expanded the Russian land bridge. This phase is now complete.

    13/ Russia also engaged in a campaign of strategic deep attack designed to disrupt and destroy Ukrainian logistics, command & control, and air power and long-range fire support. Ukraine is running out of fuel and ammo, cannot coordinate maneuver, and has no meaningful Air Force.

    14/ Russia is redeploying some of its premier units from where they had been engaged in feint operations in northern Kiev to where they can support the next phase of the operation, namely the liberation of the Donbas and the destruction of the main Ukrainian force in the east.

    15/ This is classic maneuver warfare. Russia will now hold Ukraine in the north and south while its main forces, reinforced by the northern units, Marines, and forces freed up by the capture of Mariupol, seek to envelope and destroy 60,000 Ukrainian forces in the east.

    16/ This is Big Arrow War at its finest, something Americans used to know but forgot in the deserts and mountains of Afghanistan and Iraq. It also explains how 200,000 Russians have been able to defeat 600,000 Ukrainians. Thus ends the primer on maneuver warfare, Russian style.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Blinky Bill


    some 600,000 defenders (or more).
     
    ...and goes straight to the garbage box with such numerical analitics, lol
  79. @John Johnson
    Russia is one of the few White countries that doesn't allow endless third world immigration.

    Another country is Ukraine.

    But the White nationalists here think it is a win against the Jews to have Russia butcher White Ukrainians.

    White nationalists like Anglin that defend Putin should line up on a bridge and jump off while shouting

    INTERNATIONAL JEWRY I STAB AT THEE

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    No.

    Anti Russian dogma is hideous and stupid. The demise of Soviet communism and the appearance of a far freer Russia is fabulous. Humanity is winning you idiots.

    I am not a Russian asset. I am a moose asset.

  80. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.
     
    I never inferred nor stated that Trump should start a war with Russia in order to presumably save Ukraine. For supposedly being a sophisticated commenter at this blog, you have this bad habit of putting words in peoples' mouths. Helping Ukraine out by sending some weaponry (planes) that it can use to defend itself, especially in its skys, would be heroic. To believe that Putin would retaliate against any such action by using atomic weaponry is foolish. Ronald Reagan stood up to a much stronger and unified Soviet Union, took a lot of flack for it, and remains a popular conservative cultural icon to this day. Your weak stance as to not supplying Ukraine with planes is much more reminiscent of the "loose canon" Biden, then either that of Trump or Reagan. :-(

    The fact remains that Trump is now on record for supporting planes for Ukraine, while you whimper around trying to run some sort of misdirection against his stated stance.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @utu, @for-the-record

    I never inferred nor stated that Trump should start a war

    Once is an innocent mistake, twice a misuse of the word. You mean implied not inferred.

    https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/imply-infer/

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  81. @utu
    @Ron Unz

    (1) Talking about Russia's use of nuclear weapons is natural consequence of what Putin was intimating in his speeches and it is a well known Russian doctrine of de-escalation (of conventional war) via nuclear escalation so talking abpould could be justified. But I agree that Russia would not do it unless some Karlin like madman took over Kremlin but talking about it in our media actually serves Putin as it is defeatist in nature as Putin wants to bring Ukraine and the West sooner to the negotiating table. Your vigilance of picking up all anti-Russian vibes in the MSN seems to be off. Talking about nukes is pro-Russian because that's what Russia wants us do.

    (2) US can do the same to Kremlin with ballistic missiles what you claim Moscow can do to Pentagon with its "hypersonic" wunderwaffe.

    (3) Does Russia have better anti-missile systems? Where did this idea come from? Can they intercept ballistic missiles that are as hypersonic as say, Russian Kinzhal. Kinzhal is modified Iskander. And Iskander not much different from Pershings that were retired in 1990's?

    (4). Hype of hypersonic weapons.



    HYPERSONIC HYPE OVERESTIMATES MODERN MISSILE DEFENSE CAPABILITIES ( March 28, 2022)
    https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/hypersonic-hype-overestimates-modern-missile-defense-capabilities/

    Because most conversations surrounding hypersonic missiles tend to focus a great deal on the idea that they can’t be intercepted, the inference seems to be that non-hypersonic ballistic and cruise missiles are a problem that current air defenses have already solved. Below every story or video you can find online about the Kinzhal, for instance, you’ll find commenters arguing that the Kinzhal must be some kind of cutting-edge technology like the world has never seen, otherwise, the U.S. would have systems that can intercept it.

    This imaginary juxtaposition of “impossible to stop” future missiles against “practically useless” current missiles is, to be clear, just that: imaginary.
     

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    Russia have better anti-missile system

    There is a system from the late Cold War (like a different idea than Reagan’s “Star Wars”), to fire nuclear weapons above Moscow, to block intercontinental ballistic missiles. Nuclear weapons would explode to destroy or move the ICBM from its destination.

    The concept probably hasn’t been tested except in the conceptual level, but it claimed it could succeed if 2 ICBMs are fired at Moscow. (But of course, in nuclear war, there will probably be dozens of ICBMs, with MIRV).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABM-1_Galosh
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-135_anti-ballistic_missile_system

    The USSR had probably more verifiable advantage compared to the USA, was the “passive defense” for civilians.

    In Soviet times, there was a gasmask available distribution for every citizen (to survive fallout). (However, this doesn’t exist today).

    Moscow also has fallout shelters located in (at least some older) metro stations. This has even independent air and walls which raise to seal the station. There is a video report about this system.

  82. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Hey, I know that you've been scrambling to counter Trump's recent call to send some planes to Ukraine. I'll even concede that it's in part politically motivated to make Biden (and guys like you) look cowardly. Last time around I suggested that you take two aspirins to deal with the pain. Calling me names wont help. Maybe this time try a good stiff drink of good old fashioned American bourbon to cope. :-)

    Replies: @A123

    Mr. Troll,

    Why are you ducking the question?

    Your accusations depend on your definition of bravery and your definition of cowardice.

    Based on your inarticulate posting, this is the best possible analysis of you position:

    — Cowardice = Sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    — Bravery = Adding a tiny number of planes unlikely to be useful.

    If this is not an accurate grasp of your near illiterate deployment of the English language. Please provide explicit, unambiguous definitions for bravery and cowardice in terms of *exact* count and types of material that needs to be delivered to Zelensky before he loses.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Now, this is better.

    — Cowardice = not sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    — Bravery = Adding a sufficient (30 - 50) number of planes likely to be useful.

    However, I don't feel that providing an opinion contrary to your own, in any way makes me a troll. Keep coping.

    Replies: @A123

  83. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Do you mean NATO members? This confusing EU and NATO shows that you really don’t understand much of anything.
     
    Was somewhat sloppy on my part, but the Eastern EU members are all in NATO (and iirc Russia in 2014 also seemed to regard the two organizations as linked; btw, wtf, Albania and Montenegro are in NATO? I'm sure I registered it at the time of their accession, but still shocking to be reminded of this absurdity).
    Disagree about your recommendations for Ukraine, they have to keep fighting until Russia is willing to settle for acceptable terms.
    Anyway, since I manage to get shit both from you and that miserable old fool utu (who by now belongs in a padded cell, given his insane, paranoid ranting about "Russian assets" hiding in cupboards and who knows where else) I probably should follow Yevardian and take a break from this comments section. Almost everything worth saying about this war has been said many times over anyway, not much point to write more until there's some sort of conclusion.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You are right, sorry…I typed w/out much reflection…It happens when one lives in a cupboard :). But there is difference between EU and NATO: with some exceptions (Poland, Lithuania) support for joining NATO in East-Central Europe was low: 30-40%. Then EU made it clear that there will be no EU without first NATO and that moved things along. In effect a blackmail.

    With Ukraine it is similar: Russia never objected to Ukraine in EU, they simply said there would be economic consequences since one can’t have open trading borders with both. EU was the one that didn’t want Ukraine – and still doesn’t. Russia objected to NATO – West intentionally confuses it for propaganda.

    If Kiev waits for acceptable terms they will lose people-assets and likely worsen their military situation. They are not winning and time is not on their side. It is likely that as Russia invests more in the fighting – and correspondingly has more losses – they will want to get more. The Black See coast is very tempting. You only fight a grinding attrition war if you can eventually win or get a stalemate. Based on Russia’s situation they will not settle for less. More fighting makes the eventual deal worse for Kiev. The best deal they could have gotten on the eve of the war, but that opportunity is gone.

    ‘utu’ has become totally unhinged. He is old and knows how this will turn out, so seethes with anger. But we get to see a real example of how societies descend into paranoid madness. The 20th century explained in front of our eyes, we have not moved too far from out grandparents.

  84. @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Troll,

    Why are you ducking the question?

    Your accusations depend on your definition of bravery and your definition of cowardice.

    Based on your inarticulate posting, this is the best possible analysis of you position:

    — Cowardice = Sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    — Bravery = Adding a tiny number of planes unlikely to be useful.

    If this is not an accurate grasp of your near illiterate deployment of the English language. Please provide explicit, unambiguous definitions for bravery and cowardice in terms of *exact* count and types of material that needs to be delivered to Zelensky before he loses.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Now, this is better.

    — Cowardice = not sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    — Bravery = Adding a sufficient (30 – 50) number of planes likely to be useful.

    However, I don’t feel that providing an opinion contrary to your own, in any way makes me a troll. Keep coping.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    You are the one with a coping problem. You also have a counting problem.
    ___

    Now that you have given exact numbers... Let us drill down on them. Your desired number of planes is 50 -- Where are you going to get you "bravery" MiG-29's?

    Poland has less than 30 operational MiG 29A. Bulgaria and Slovakia have about 10 each. Even if you could sweep up every operational plane that is less than 50. If you have heard higher numbers, you are trying to include "down checked" aircraft being cannibalized for spare parts.

    You are clearly numerically challenged. Why do you want things that are impossible?
    ____

    As a side question. Why do you think a limited number of fighters would be long-term helpful versus Russia?

    It might buy a little time for Zelensky to negotiate, but it does not seem to strategically change the balance of power. Russia's Air Force would still be many times larger (higher count & more modern) than Ukraine's AF if 30 (or even 50) used fighters were added to their service.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  85. @Beckow
    @songbird


    "We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over."
     
    Thus spoke Ursula: a perfect example of an assistant school principal rising to the heights if power. They have one in England too, even dumber. The time for running in the hallways is over!!!

    Brussels is committed - the switch to rubles would be too humiliating and very public. We will get rationing, promises, blackmail - block any oil and gas they can, that's what navies are for.

    Russia's point is simple: you can't pay us in money that you then freeze. Saying that energy is exempted is nonsense - money is fungible. EU in effect demands energy from Russia for free - that's what freezing the euro payment accounts means. Let's see who blinks.

    Kiev has tried this and ended up buying with a huge mark-up through intermediaries. It can be costly. Anyone can open an energy shop in Yerevan or Istanbul and for a fee exchange euros for rubles. (Yevardian is leaving, maybe he smells a business opportunity?)

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Aedib, @songbird

    mells a business

    Lol I would guess most commercial materialist oriented personalities in Armenia, who are not connected to the political class, will have emigrated to Glendale, or at least Moscow nowadays. Cutting a little money changing currency in Erevan or Gyumri does not seem such a great opportunity by comparison.

    Yevardian seems more interested in secularized cultural, coffee house, branch of the Armenian society. He starts to write more confidently, when writing about literary criticism, Dostoevsky, Basque history. Although unusual to be with us, as those kind of people seem very politically liberal on average.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Dmitry


    ...little money changing currency in Erevan or Gyumri does not seem such a great opportunity by comparison.
     
    Sure, it is no big deal for $100k. But imagine the volume a sharp intermediary could get here, 25 basis points for billion euros pays for a lot of Turkish coffee. Even Dostoevsky would jump on it.

    We have two sides that can't give in publicly, but both want the business to continue. So you go through intermediaries, it is not that hard.

    In the short run Russia will muddle the process, delay and wait. In the long run EU will pay in rubles. EU stupidly shot itself in the foot by objecting "but, contracts", hiding behind a temporary reason. As the current contracts end - some are ending later this year - they will quietly switch to rubles. On the spot market there are no contracts - a gold mine for middlemen. The ruble will climb and prices will be higher.

    Both sides will claim that they prevailed. After all it is about who can preen and strut as a victor. Silly world.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  86. @German_reader
    @utu


    The process that should have been kept behind the scenes was made public which allowed for the input and interference by all kinds of twats exemplified here by German_reader here and other Russian assets.
     
    Yeah, I'm sure they didn't send those planes because of me.
    The planes are merely a symbolic issue anyway, the number of MiGs from Eastern EU states that could be given away can't be that high, and of course you're not even trying to make a case they would have much effect on the war (unlike the anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles which have proven to be effective in degrading Russian capabilities).

    Russian nuclear threats should be ignored in decisions making.
     
    Boomer who's spent the last two years hysterically screeching about Corona thinks one should totally ignore the nuke issue in decision-making. Can't make this shit up.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @LatW

    Haven’t you read what utu said to me about nuclear war?

  87. New levels of RussoCope have been reached, so time for another list of absurdly cringe and often contradictory Russbot claims:

    1. 4 of our 5 axes of advance are defeated, but that is just as planned as they were actually all feints.

    2. Rather than using our strengths against Ukrainian weaknesses, as is the normal manouevrist approach, we cleverly turned this on its head and used our weaknesses against Ukrainian strengths. This is Russian style.

    3. We launched the biggest and highest casualty war in Europe since WW2 in order to slightly expand the territory we already de facto controlled. At least until we have to revise our past aim next week.

    4. We have demilitarised Ukraine. Its forces are bigger, better equipped and with higher morale than when the war started, but we have shot missiles at a lot of barracks.

    5. Something about “biolabs.” Literally defined as laboratories which deal with biological issues, like PCR tests.

    6. We have hypersonic missile, so it doesn’t matter that we are second best military in Ukraine. We would still easily beat NATO!

    7. Something about Ukraine developing nukes.

    8. Something about Azov, despite the invasion making them heroes.

    9. We have crushed Ukrainian nationalism.

    10. Our Potemkin exchange rate shows how great our completely non-primitive farming and resource extraction economy is.

    11. We never invaded.

    12. We would invade again.

    13. Ukraine deserved it.

    14. We have very few casualties.

    15. India didn’t actively sanction us, nor did Congo.

    16. Ukrainian rightists won’t accept the peace deal that everyone thinks humiliates Russia, so Ukraine will have civil war, and then we will take all of Ukraine.

    17. Ukrainian civillians will rebel when they find out real costs of war.

    18. Neighbours of Ukraine will take advantage of Ukrainian weakness and will pick back up old conflicts to Ukraine’s disadvantage.

    19. Numbers 16, 17 and 18 aren’t just projections of our own fears!

    20. We are happy that our best and brightest have run away.

    21. Cauldron encirclement cauldron encirclement pocket deep war encirclement master Russian tactics is coming really soon.

    22. The US Dollar system is over.

    23. But what about Western censorship?

    24. But what about people not liking Russians after our invasion?

    25. The war has just started. We always wanted a war of attrition with our supposedly brand spanking new professional army.

    26. Russia has done amazingly well. We had so much less manpower. We have truly, by our advances only being defeated so far, rather than routed, won a David versus Goliath victory against hegemon Ukraine.

    27. We’re going to start trying real soon.

    28. No really, we were just letting the Ukrainians win.

    29. We’ve been winning all of this time. Can’t you see that we are now at 10% of Ukraine’s territory, and even two weeks ago, were at 15%. This is tremendous.

    30. We are not retreating. We are making tactical advances.

    31. We’re going to keep the nuclear power stations in Ukrainian territory and own the Ukrainians’ electricity market.

    32. The Chinese didn’t sanction us. They are our greatest friends.

    • Agree: sudden death, AP
    • Disagree: Badger Down, RadicalCenter
    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s time to surrender in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Aedib, @LatW

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ha, ha, ha!!! Keep 'em coming. You should get paid for writing this well.

    https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkS0ZWnf2_vqgKhdS3I_jo4EBNyYXq89iD81je9v7Fi4ZRfMWM

  88. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Now, this is better.

    — Cowardice = not sending potentially useful arms to Ukraine.
    — Bravery = Adding a sufficient (30 - 50) number of planes likely to be useful.

    However, I don't feel that providing an opinion contrary to your own, in any way makes me a troll. Keep coping.

    Replies: @A123

    You are the one with a coping problem. You also have a counting problem.
    ___

    Now that you have given exact numbers… Let us drill down on them. Your desired number of planes is 50 — Where are you going to get you “bravery” MiG-29’s?

    Poland has less than 30 operational MiG 29A. Bulgaria and Slovakia have about 10 each. Even if you could sweep up every operational plane that is less than 50. If you have heard higher numbers, you are trying to include “down checked” aircraft being cannibalized for spare parts.

    You are clearly numerically challenged. Why do you want things that are impossible?
    ____

    As a side question. Why do you think a limited number of fighters would be long-term helpful versus Russia?

    It might buy a little time for Zelensky to negotiate, but it does not seem to strategically change the balance of power. Russia’s Air Force would still be many times larger (higher count & more modern) than Ukraine’s AF if 30 (or even 50) used fighters were added to their service.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    You also have a counting problem...You are clearly numerically challenged. Why do you want things that are impossible?
     
    I CLEARLY WROTE: Adding a sufficient (30 – 50) number of planes likely to be useful.

    No need to go berserk and call me "numerically challenged" when it's clearly you who are inept at juggling numbers (I won't even try to embarrass you and bring up that your reading comprehension skills seem to be sub par too). :-)

    Replies: @A123

  89. @Blinky Bill
    @Ron Unz


    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia’s important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.
     
    I suspect you've already read his latest in-depth analysis, in case you haven't and for the benefit of others.


    1/ Big Arrow War—a primer. For all those scratching their heads in confusion, or dusting off their dress uniforms for the Ukrainian victory parade in Kiev, over the news about Russia’s “strategic shift”, you might want to re-familiarize yourself with basic military concepts.

    2/ Maneuver warfare is a good place to start. Understand Russia started its “special military operation” with a severe manpower deficit—200,000 attackers to some 600,000 defenders (or more). Classic attritional conflict was never an option. Russian victory required maneuver.

    3/ Maneuver war is more psychological than physical and focuses more on the operational than on the tactical level. Maneuver is relational movement—how you deploy and move your forces in relation to your opponent. Russian maneuver in the first phase of its operation support this.

    4/ The Russians needed to shape the battlefield to their advantage. In order to do this, they needed to control how Ukraine employed it’s numerically superior forces, while distributing their own smaller combat power to best accomplish this objective.

    5/ Strategically, to facilitate the ability to maneuver between the southern, central, and northern fronts, Russia needed to secure a land bridge between Crimea and Russia. The seizure of the coastal city of Mariupol was critical to this effort. Russia has accomplished this task.

    6/ While this complex operation unfolded, Russia needed to keep Ukraine from maneuvering its numerically superior forces in a manner that disrupted the Mariupol operation. This entailed the use of several strategic supporting operations—feints, fixing operations, and deep attack.

    7/ The concept of a feint is simple—a military force either is seen as preparing to attack a given location, or actually conducts an attack, for the purpose of deceiving an opponent into committing resources in response to the perceived or actual actions.

    8/ The use of the feint played a major role in Desert Storm, where Marine Amphibious forces threatened the Kuwaiti coast, forcing Iraq to defend against an attack that never came, and where the 1st Cavalry Division actually attacked Wadi Al Batin to pin down the Republican Guard.

    9/ The Russians made extensive use of the feint in Ukraine, with Amphibious forces off Odessa freezing Ukrainian forces there, and a major feint attack toward Kiev compelling Ukraine to reinforce their forces there. Ukraine was never able to reinforce their forces in the east.

    10/ Fixing operations were also critical. Ukraine had assembled some 60,000-100,000 troops in the east, opposite Donbas. Russia carried out a broad fixing attack designed to keep these forces fully engaged and unable to maneuver in respect to other Russian operations.

    11/ During Desert Storm, two Marine Divisions were ordered to carry out similar fixing attacks against Iraqi forces deployed along the Kuwaiti-Saudi border, tying down significant numbers of men and material that could not be used to counter the main US attack out west.

    12/ The Russian fixing attack pinned the main Ukrainian concentration of forces in the east, and drove them away from Mariupol, which was invested and reduced. Supporting operations out of Crimea against Kherson expanded the Russian land bridge. This phase is now complete.

    13/ Russia also engaged in a campaign of strategic deep attack designed to disrupt and destroy Ukrainian logistics, command & control, and air power and long-range fire support. Ukraine is running out of fuel and ammo, cannot coordinate maneuver, and has no meaningful Air Force.

    14/ Russia is redeploying some of its premier units from where they had been engaged in feint operations in northern Kiev to where they can support the next phase of the operation, namely the liberation of the Donbas and the destruction of the main Ukrainian force in the east.

    15/ This is classic maneuver warfare. Russia will now hold Ukraine in the north and south while its main forces, reinforced by the northern units, Marines, and forces freed up by the capture of Mariupol, seek to envelope and destroy 60,000 Ukrainian forces in the east.

    16/ This is Big Arrow War at its finest, something Americans used to know but forgot in the deserts and mountains of Afghanistan and Iraq. It also explains how 200,000 Russians have been able to defeat 600,000 Ukrainians. Thus ends the primer on maneuver warfare, Russian style.

     

    Replies: @sudden death

    some 600,000 defenders (or more).

    …and goes straight to the garbage box with such numerical analitics, lol

  90. @Beckow
    @songbird


    "We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over."
     
    Thus spoke Ursula: a perfect example of an assistant school principal rising to the heights if power. They have one in England too, even dumber. The time for running in the hallways is over!!!

    Brussels is committed - the switch to rubles would be too humiliating and very public. We will get rationing, promises, blackmail - block any oil and gas they can, that's what navies are for.

    Russia's point is simple: you can't pay us in money that you then freeze. Saying that energy is exempted is nonsense - money is fungible. EU in effect demands energy from Russia for free - that's what freezing the euro payment accounts means. Let's see who blinks.

    Kiev has tried this and ended up buying with a huge mark-up through intermediaries. It can be costly. Anyone can open an energy shop in Yerevan or Istanbul and for a fee exchange euros for rubles. (Yevardian is leaving, maybe he smells a business opportunity?)

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Aedib, @songbird

    The market seems to believe more on Peskov words than on Ursula words.

    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1508780448608137224/photo/2

  91. Mariupol summary.
    – The flag of Donetsk People Republic flies in the city.
    – 5000 ukronazis dead. 5,000 captured.
    – Mopping operations in some buildings of the city.
    – Some Azovites hide in the Azovstal steel factory. They will be supressed by hunger.
    – Kadirov and Pushilin in the city.
    – Civilians come out of the cellars.
    – Many coincident testimonies about the atrocities committed by the Nazis of the Azov battalion against civilians.
    – The city was badly damaged but there is relief in the people as the news about the suppression of the Azov Battalion spreads.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Aedib

    Wasn't it taken two days ago? Or the 24th? I wouldn't be surprised if today was the day, but who knows?


    Many coincident testimonies about the atrocities committed by the Nazis of the Azov battalion against civilians
     
    I'm sure people will say all sorts of things that armed Russians want to hear.

    Kadirov and Pushilin in the city.
     
    Not really:



    https://twitter.com/AnonOpsSE/status/1508776500367138818?s=20&t=Sli91Eqki8tWJFDK9IICtA

    Replies: @Aedib

  92. @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz


    fashioned cruise missiles
     
    Strategic nuclear weapons are fired by intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    Cruise missiles are a kind of small unmanned, subsonic kamikaze plane. They are used for tactical bombing of fixed targets.

    shoot down all our
     
    From all I read, intercontinental ballistic missiles cannot be intercepted by current missile defense, well at least with MIRV (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle).

    NATO's strategic nuclear weapons use MIRV, while Russia is currently also upgrading to this system (with around 30% of strategic missiles now claimed to be moving to MIRV according to the articles I read)

    their hypersonics seems to be
     
    Strategic nuclear weapons, on all sides, will be from intercontinental ballistic missiles, which are "hypersonic" (above Mach 5). For example, the new intercontinental ballistic missiles are going to Mach 23.

    In strategic missile conflict between Russia vs. USA (with maybe UK and France). Weapons used will be these below.

    Russia
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava
    From land
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2PM2_Topol-M

    USA
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGM-133_Trident_II
    From land
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman

    France
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M51_(missile)

    United Kingdom
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(UK_nuclear_programme)

    rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn’t want to risk nuclear war.
     
    Nuclear war is always very unlikely, but because as an ordinary citizen we can't really know how unlikely. It is still a good idea to know how you would manage.

    There is the map of probable targets in the USA according to Federal Emergency Management Agency. Blast radius is not that large of the weapons and number fired would not be as many as shown in this map, but fallout would be going over wider areas.

    https://i.imgur.com/7im3yi8.gif

    For Russia, NATO would probably focus on "genociding" the country by destroying of cities.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @RadicalCenter

    From all I read, intercontinental ballistic missiles cannot be intercepted by current missile defense, well at least with MIRV (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle).

    Of course not. I’m not talking about nuclear ICBMs but instead conventional hypersonics. As Ritter points out, the fact that they’re maneuverable means that they can’t be intercepted by standard anti-missile defenses.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Ron Unz


    conventional hypersonics. As Ritter points out, the fact that they’re maneuverable means that they can’t be intercepted by standard anti-missile defenses.
     
    The problem with this type of overstatement is that standard anti-missile defenses can work, though less effectively. Hypersonic is an incremental improvement, not a strategic battlefield change.

    One does not want to be trapped by understatement either. Existing anti-missile defenses will need more time & distance to intercept. Flattop super carriers will have to operate further away from their targets. This slows cycle time, requires more mid air refueling, and is inconvenient in any number of ways.

    China is still working on their TYPE-003 & -004 super carrier efforts which will first sail after the U.S. has their own hypersonic missiles. Clearly the PLA does not believe the hyped message they are trying to push.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    , @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    With conventional warheads, perhaps it could be effective in ship war.

    In the land war, though, missiles with conventional warheads do not cause much destruction relative for their cost. Things like airbases, can repair runways within a few hours of the missile attack.

    If you think about long-range missile with conventional warhead, most of the weight is for the energy of its propulsion to target. Iskander tactical ballistic missile is 4000 kg, but its warhead is only up to maximum 700kg. (https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26-2/), with a cost of tens of millions dollars per missile. Because of the cost, the number of missiles available is low. They also only destroy fixed targets.

    These systems become transformational, with tactical nuclear warheads. Iskander deployed in Kaliningrad, has tactical nuclear warheads.

    I'm not an expert, but this is just my amateur reasoning.

    In terms of navy conflict, then a single missile, can destroy a ship. This happened last week, when Ukrainian Tochka missile destroyed "Saratov" landing ship.

    So, a new kind of cruise missile (like hypersonic cruise missile), with conventional warhead, probably changes the balance of power in navy war much more if it cannot be intercepted by navy air defense.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  93. @German_reader
    Globohomo news from Germany:
    https://jungefreiheit.de/debatte/kommentar/2022/transgender-maus/

    Sendung mit der Maus, one of Germany's longest-running children's tv programmes (aimed at children in kindergarten and elementary school), recently had a segment about transgenderism...ending on the hopeful note that soon everybody in Germany will be able to declare their gender according to their own desires without much legal hassle (this is a reference to legislation to that effect planned by the new government).
    TV must be one of the worst inventions ever, even if the medium isn't inherently subversive, it's certainly one of the more effective channels for re-propramming society.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @songbird

    At least Germany is rich, so you can wipe your tears in eurobills. Meanwhile:

    The GDP of Somalia but the cultural mores of coastal America.

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  94. @Triteleia Laxa
    New levels of RussoCope have been reached, so time for another list of absurdly cringe and often contradictory Russbot claims:

    1. 4 of our 5 axes of advance are defeated, but that is just as planned as they were actually all feints.

    2. Rather than using our strengths against Ukrainian weaknesses, as is the normal manouevrist approach, we cleverly turned this on its head and used our weaknesses against Ukrainian strengths. This is Russian style.

    3. We launched the biggest and highest casualty war in Europe since WW2 in order to slightly expand the territory we already de facto controlled. At least until we have to revise our past aim next week.

    4. We have demilitarised Ukraine. Its forces are bigger, better equipped and with higher morale than when the war started, but we have shot missiles at a lot of barracks.

    5. Something about "biolabs." Literally defined as laboratories which deal with biological issues, like PCR tests.

    6. We have hypersonic missile, so it doesn't matter that we are second best military in Ukraine. We would still easily beat NATO!

    7. Something about Ukraine developing nukes.

    8. Something about Azov, despite the invasion making them heroes.

    9. We have crushed Ukrainian nationalism.

    10. Our Potemkin exchange rate shows how great our completely non-primitive farming and resource extraction economy is.

    11. We never invaded.

    12. We would invade again.

    13. Ukraine deserved it.

    14. We have very few casualties.

    15. India didn't actively sanction us, nor did Congo.

    16. Ukrainian rightists won't accept the peace deal that everyone thinks humiliates Russia, so Ukraine will have civil war, and then we will take all of Ukraine.

    17. Ukrainian civillians will rebel when they find out real costs of war.

    18. Neighbours of Ukraine will take advantage of Ukrainian weakness and will pick back up old conflicts to Ukraine's disadvantage.

    19. Numbers 16, 17 and 18 aren't just projections of our own fears!

    20. We are happy that our best and brightest have run away.

    21. Cauldron encirclement cauldron encirclement pocket deep war encirclement master Russian tactics is coming really soon.

    22. The US Dollar system is over.

    23. But what about Western censorship?

    24. But what about people not liking Russians after our invasion?

    25. The war has just started. We always wanted a war of attrition with our supposedly brand spanking new professional army.

    26. Russia has done amazingly well. We had so much less manpower. We have truly, by our advances only being defeated so far, rather than routed, won a David versus Goliath victory against hegemon Ukraine.

    27. We're going to start trying real soon.

    28. No really, we were just letting the Ukrainians win.

    29. We've been winning all of this time. Can't you see that we are now at 10% of Ukraine's territory, and even two weeks ago, were at 15%. This is tremendous.

    30. We are not retreating. We are making tactical advances.

    31. We're going to keep the nuclear power stations in Ukrainian territory and own the Ukrainians' electricity market.

    32. The Chinese didn't sanction us. They are our greatest friends.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    It’s time to surrender in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    No. Let the big West Donbass cauldron boil. Azovites in the Mariupol cauldron have already been cooked.

    , @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    It’s time to surrender in Ukraine.
     
    It is against the Laws of Nature to surrender when you're gaining momentum and starting a counterstrike. On the contrary - now is the time to pound harder. Keep pounding in all directions. More men are coming.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  95. @John Johnson
    Russia is one of the few White countries that doesn't allow endless third world immigration.

    Another country is Ukraine.

    But the White nationalists here think it is a win against the Jews to have Russia butcher White Ukrainians.

    White nationalists like Anglin that defend Putin should line up on a bridge and jump off while shouting

    INTERNATIONAL JEWRY I STAB AT THEE

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    WN are split on this question. Besides, legally speaking if you go to fight for either state you are giving yourself a legal problem.

  96. @Ron Unz
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    WSJ: “Putin Stokes Nuclear Fears With Atomic Weapons Warnings”

    Analysts said Ukraine would be the most likely target for any tactical nuclear attack, but that escalation after that would be hard to predict, particularly if NATO got involved.
     
    I've seen those same "expert" opinions quoted in the MSM, and they don't seem to make any sense.

    Entirely leaving aside the claims that the Russian military is being defeated in Ukraine, they ignore Russia's important conventional advantage in hypersonic missiles, which Scott Ritter seems to have confirmed in his long interview.

    As far as I can tell, Russia's anti-missile defense systems are top quality, and they could probably shoot down all our old-fashioned cruise missiles. Meanwhile, their hypersonics seems to be completely unstoppable.

    For example, I think Putin could announce that tomorrow morning at 10am he'll be destroying NATO headquarters in Brussels, and there's absolutely nothing NATO could do to stop that. Same for the Pentagon.

    Instead of arguing about stupid videos of individual tanks getting blown up, I think this is a much more important topic to consider. Is there any evidence that Ritter and the others who make this claim are incorrect?

    Fortunately, entirely contrary to our MSM propaganda, Putin is a very rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn't want to risk nuclear war. But given what seems to be Russia's clear conventional superiority, our very bad and provocative behavior over the last few years in Ukraine is dangerously crazy. But since everyone knows that America's leaders are crazy about so many other things, why should this be surprising?

    Replies: @utu, @Old Brown Fool, @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

    The Ukrainians have acted insane with Russia. They should have appeased the stronger state.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY9sWBho6EI&ab_channel=%D0
    %AD%D0%9A%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%A0%D0%95%D0%9D%D0%9D%D0%AB%D0%95%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%92%D0%9E%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%98

    Kadyrov saying there is no Ukrainian authority, they are merely puppets of the West.

  97. @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    You are the one with a coping problem. You also have a counting problem.
    ___

    Now that you have given exact numbers... Let us drill down on them. Your desired number of planes is 50 -- Where are you going to get you "bravery" MiG-29's?

    Poland has less than 30 operational MiG 29A. Bulgaria and Slovakia have about 10 each. Even if you could sweep up every operational plane that is less than 50. If you have heard higher numbers, you are trying to include "down checked" aircraft being cannibalized for spare parts.

    You are clearly numerically challenged. Why do you want things that are impossible?
    ____

    As a side question. Why do you think a limited number of fighters would be long-term helpful versus Russia?

    It might buy a little time for Zelensky to negotiate, but it does not seem to strategically change the balance of power. Russia's Air Force would still be many times larger (higher count & more modern) than Ukraine's AF if 30 (or even 50) used fighters were added to their service.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You also have a counting problem…You are clearly numerically challenged. Why do you want things that are impossible?

    I CLEARLY WROTE: Adding a sufficient (30 – 50) number of planes likely to be useful.

    No need to go berserk and call me “numerically challenged” when it’s clearly you who are inept at juggling numbers (I won’t even try to embarrass you and bring up that your reading comprehension skills seem to be sub par too). 🙂

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    I am sorry that you have numeracy & linguistic issues.

    Please, explain how YOU can get to YOUR number of 50 when that exceeds the maximum number of operable MiG-29A's that are potentially available.

    Even if you could get your mythical "'Bravery 50" it would make no long term difference. So, not particularly "brave" by any objective standard.

    We all understand that you are in ultranationalistic denial because your side is losing. However, you do not need to compound that clear desperation by pushing fiction. It is embarrassing *copium* on your part.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  98. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    From all I read, intercontinental ballistic missiles cannot be intercepted by current missile defense, well at least with MIRV (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle).
     
    Of course not. I'm not talking about nuclear ICBMs but instead conventional hypersonics. As Ritter points out, the fact that they're maneuverable means that they can't be intercepted by standard anti-missile defenses.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    conventional hypersonics. As Ritter points out, the fact that they’re maneuverable means that they can’t be intercepted by standard anti-missile defenses.

    The problem with this type of overstatement is that standard anti-missile defenses can work, though less effectively. Hypersonic is an incremental improvement, not a strategic battlefield change.

    One does not want to be trapped by understatement either. Existing anti-missile defenses will need more time & distance to intercept. Flattop super carriers will have to operate further away from their targets. This slows cycle time, requires more mid air refueling, and is inconvenient in any number of ways.

    China is still working on their TYPE-003 & -004 super carrier efforts which will first sail after the U.S. has their own hypersonic missiles. Clearly the PLA does not believe the hyped message they are trying to push.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @A123


    The problem with this type of overstatement is that standard anti-missile defenses can work, though less effectively. Hypersonic is an incremental improvement, not a strategic battlefield change.
     
    I'm absolutely no military expert on these technical issues. But Ritter's persuasive point was that all existing anti-missile defenses are based upon locking onto a fixed trajectory as they approach the target. If hypersonics are maneuvering, those methods can't be used so the missiles can't be intercepted.

    Presumably, at some point better interception technologies can be developed. But probably not for some time.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

  99. @Triteleia Laxa
    New levels of RussoCope have been reached, so time for another list of absurdly cringe and often contradictory Russbot claims:

    1. 4 of our 5 axes of advance are defeated, but that is just as planned as they were actually all feints.

    2. Rather than using our strengths against Ukrainian weaknesses, as is the normal manouevrist approach, we cleverly turned this on its head and used our weaknesses against Ukrainian strengths. This is Russian style.

    3. We launched the biggest and highest casualty war in Europe since WW2 in order to slightly expand the territory we already de facto controlled. At least until we have to revise our past aim next week.

    4. We have demilitarised Ukraine. Its forces are bigger, better equipped and with higher morale than when the war started, but we have shot missiles at a lot of barracks.

    5. Something about "biolabs." Literally defined as laboratories which deal with biological issues, like PCR tests.

    6. We have hypersonic missile, so it doesn't matter that we are second best military in Ukraine. We would still easily beat NATO!

    7. Something about Ukraine developing nukes.

    8. Something about Azov, despite the invasion making them heroes.

    9. We have crushed Ukrainian nationalism.

    10. Our Potemkin exchange rate shows how great our completely non-primitive farming and resource extraction economy is.

    11. We never invaded.

    12. We would invade again.

    13. Ukraine deserved it.

    14. We have very few casualties.

    15. India didn't actively sanction us, nor did Congo.

    16. Ukrainian rightists won't accept the peace deal that everyone thinks humiliates Russia, so Ukraine will have civil war, and then we will take all of Ukraine.

    17. Ukrainian civillians will rebel when they find out real costs of war.

    18. Neighbours of Ukraine will take advantage of Ukrainian weakness and will pick back up old conflicts to Ukraine's disadvantage.

    19. Numbers 16, 17 and 18 aren't just projections of our own fears!

    20. We are happy that our best and brightest have run away.

    21. Cauldron encirclement cauldron encirclement pocket deep war encirclement master Russian tactics is coming really soon.

    22. The US Dollar system is over.

    23. But what about Western censorship?

    24. But what about people not liking Russians after our invasion?

    25. The war has just started. We always wanted a war of attrition with our supposedly brand spanking new professional army.

    26. Russia has done amazingly well. We had so much less manpower. We have truly, by our advances only being defeated so far, rather than routed, won a David versus Goliath victory against hegemon Ukraine.

    27. We're going to start trying real soon.

    28. No really, we were just letting the Ukrainians win.

    29. We've been winning all of this time. Can't you see that we are now at 10% of Ukraine's territory, and even two weeks ago, were at 15%. This is tremendous.

    30. We are not retreating. We are making tactical advances.

    31. We're going to keep the nuclear power stations in Ukrainian territory and own the Ukrainians' electricity market.

    32. The Chinese didn't sanction us. They are our greatest friends.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    Ha, ha, ha!!! Keep ’em coming. You should get paid for writing this well.

    https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkS0ZWnf2_vqgKhdS3I_jo4EBNyYXq89iD81je9v7Fi4ZRfMWM

  100. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    You also have a counting problem...You are clearly numerically challenged. Why do you want things that are impossible?
     
    I CLEARLY WROTE: Adding a sufficient (30 – 50) number of planes likely to be useful.

    No need to go berserk and call me "numerically challenged" when it's clearly you who are inept at juggling numbers (I won't even try to embarrass you and bring up that your reading comprehension skills seem to be sub par too). :-)

    Replies: @A123

    I am sorry that you have numeracy & linguistic issues.

    Please, explain how YOU can get to YOUR number of 50 when that exceeds the maximum number of operable MiG-29A’s that are potentially available.

    Even if you could get your mythical “‘Bravery 50” it would make no long term difference. So, not particularly “brave” by any objective standard.

    We all understand that you are in ultranationalistic denial because your side is losing. However, you do not need to compound that clear desperation by pushing fiction. It is embarrassing *copium* on your part.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I said "30 - 50" indicating a range. 30 being on the low side that even you admit that might be possible. 30 would be helpful for now, perhaps more later. Get it, now?

    Replies: @A123

  101. @A123
    @Ron Unz


    conventional hypersonics. As Ritter points out, the fact that they’re maneuverable means that they can’t be intercepted by standard anti-missile defenses.
     
    The problem with this type of overstatement is that standard anti-missile defenses can work, though less effectively. Hypersonic is an incremental improvement, not a strategic battlefield change.

    One does not want to be trapped by understatement either. Existing anti-missile defenses will need more time & distance to intercept. Flattop super carriers will have to operate further away from their targets. This slows cycle time, requires more mid air refueling, and is inconvenient in any number of ways.

    China is still working on their TYPE-003 & -004 super carrier efforts which will first sail after the U.S. has their own hypersonic missiles. Clearly the PLA does not believe the hyped message they are trying to push.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    The problem with this type of overstatement is that standard anti-missile defenses can work, though less effectively. Hypersonic is an incremental improvement, not a strategic battlefield change.

    I’m absolutely no military expert on these technical issues. But Ritter’s persuasive point was that all existing anti-missile defenses are based upon locking onto a fixed trajectory as they approach the target. If hypersonics are maneuvering, those methods can’t be used so the missiles can’t be intercepted.

    Presumably, at some point better interception technologies can be developed. But probably not for some time.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Ron Unz


    Ritter’s persuasive point was that all existing anti-missile defenses are based upon locking onto a fixed trajectory as they approach the target. If hypersonics are maneuvering, those methods can’t be used so the missiles can’t be intercepted.
     
    The concept is not as persuasive as it may first appear.

    Longer range solutions use onboard detection to continuously update target location. This is necessary against potential diversions such as decoys or other countermeasures. Maneuvering makes the intercept harder, but not conceptually different. Instead of a "double tap" to completely box the inbound missile it could require a "triple tap" with three interceptors. There are only so many evasion options available.

    At short range, how much can a extremely high speed system maneuver when approaching a fixed target before it misses? Physics is a cruel mistress. Late stage maneuver still leaves the incoming weapon in a similar intercept location vis-a-vis less maneuverable options.
    ___

    Again, I do not want to underestimate the hypersonic concept.

    Dealing with such a weapon is incrementally more difficult. It requires a super carrier position that is further back from its potential targets and chews up more interceptors per inbound. It is a genuine issue of tactical & usage doctrine changes that are undesirable for a carrier Task Force. However, while expensive and logistically challenging, hypersonic weapons are not inherently a game changer.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    Hypersonic would be for fleet actions.

  102. @German_reader
    @utu


    The process that should have been kept behind the scenes was made public which allowed for the input and interference by all kinds of twats exemplified here by German_reader here and other Russian assets.
     
    Yeah, I'm sure they didn't send those planes because of me.
    The planes are merely a symbolic issue anyway, the number of MiGs from Eastern EU states that could be given away can't be that high, and of course you're not even trying to make a case they would have much effect on the war (unlike the anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles which have proven to be effective in degrading Russian capabilities).

    Russian nuclear threats should be ignored in decisions making.
     
    Boomer who's spent the last two years hysterically screeching about Corona thinks one should totally ignore the nuke issue in decision-making. Can't make this shit up.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @LatW

    The planes are merely a symbolic issue anyway, the number of MiGs from Eastern EU states that could be given away can’t be that high

    By the way, there was some talk about the Warsaw Pact weapons that the Federal Germany took over from GDR. Some of those may even have been constructed by Ukrainians back in the day. The Ukrainians inquired about those weapons. But Germany apparently did an inventory and said there was very little left of use.

    The Ukrainian Air Force has actually been very efficient. They are taking out Russian Su’s in respectable numbers. There is a limited number of pilots Russia possesses (each pilot takes like $8M and years to get trained & prepared). If it wasn’t for the Ukrainian Air Force (including the famous Ghost of Kyiv, who apparently was real), much more damage would probably have been inflicted by Russia. So more planes for Ukraine definitely would’ve helped (potentially changed the course of the war in Ukraine’s favor even earlier, although the turn of March 25 has been sensational as it is).

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    But Germany apparently did an inventory and said there was very little left of use.
     
    It's claimed they were stored inadequately and have been affected by mould.
    Last thing I read is that Germany is looking into buying arms for Ukraine from arms manufacturers. Existing stocks in Germany are too low apparently.
  103. @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    I am sorry that you have numeracy & linguistic issues.

    Please, explain how YOU can get to YOUR number of 50 when that exceeds the maximum number of operable MiG-29A's that are potentially available.

    Even if you could get your mythical "'Bravery 50" it would make no long term difference. So, not particularly "brave" by any objective standard.

    We all understand that you are in ultranationalistic denial because your side is losing. However, you do not need to compound that clear desperation by pushing fiction. It is embarrassing *copium* on your part.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I said “30 – 50” indicating a range. 30 being on the low side that even you admit that might be possible. 30 would be helpful for now, perhaps more later. Get it, now?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    I get that you stated the number 50. A number in a range is still part of that range. Now you need to:

    -- Defend the number 50 that you introduced to the conversation.
    -- Or, admit error and withdraw it.

    Linguistic prevarication will not help your desperate attempts at evading what you previously stated. Number do not give you that option.

    Please stop with the *copium* and explain YOUR number that YOU introduced to the conversation. Or, do you lack the linguistic capability to understand ?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  104. So Russia is beaten, then?
    It is going to wipe up the blood of its patriots and return the territory to the faggots in Ukraine?

    Well, at least they have NATO as guarantors.

    This whole thing is a huge head fake or Putin has just regime changed himself and the Faggot World Order won.

  105. @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    mells a business
     
    Lol I would guess most commercial materialist oriented personalities in Armenia, who are not connected to the political class, will have emigrated to Glendale, or at least Moscow nowadays. Cutting a little money changing currency in Erevan or Gyumri does not seem such a great opportunity by comparison.

    Yevardian seems more interested in secularized cultural, coffee house, branch of the Armenian society. He starts to write more confidently, when writing about literary criticism, Dostoevsky, Basque history. Although unusual to be with us, as those kind of people seem very politically liberal on average.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …little money changing currency in Erevan or Gyumri does not seem such a great opportunity by comparison.

    Sure, it is no big deal for $100k. But imagine the volume a sharp intermediary could get here, 25 basis points for billion euros pays for a lot of Turkish coffee. Even Dostoevsky would jump on it.

    We have two sides that can’t give in publicly, but both want the business to continue. So you go through intermediaries, it is not that hard.

    In the short run Russia will muddle the process, delay and wait. In the long run EU will pay in rubles. EU stupidly shot itself in the foot by objecting “but, contracts“, hiding behind a temporary reason. As the current contracts end – some are ending later this year – they will quietly switch to rubles. On the spot market there are no contracts – a gold mine for middlemen. The ruble will climb and prices will be higher.

    Both sides will claim that they prevailed. After all it is about who can preen and strut as a victor. Silly world.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Beckow

    If the sanctions do not go and sanctions are (currently) very leaky, then what happens is that there is more "transaction cost".

    This will be the same with the consumer goods. Kadyrov will still import Maybachs, but they go from Germany to somewhere like Armenia, and then Armenia to Russia, and so you are probably right that countries like Armenia could profit with a transaction cost.

    All the luxury products will become more "high status", as the price increases. If Nike and Adidas really freeze in the long term, they will become more fashionable and high status, than they already are. When I was a child, you were already the cool kids in school, although in recent years there was a lot of brand deflation.

    In Soviet times, Levi jeans, were viewed like real luxury products, because of the ban on import.

    Although expensive European companies were already doing this in Russian market, simply by raising the price a lot. It's famous that all luxury products, whether Dior handbags, or just Miele dishwasher, cost a lot more in Russia, because the companies know the customers almost desire higher prices to limit "European prestige" to narrower circles.

    Japan luxury cars are also being restricted now (https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5282541) so probably Lexus imported via e.g. Armenia will attain increasingly prestigious perceptions with local bourgeoisie, other things equal.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  106. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I said "30 - 50" indicating a range. 30 being on the low side that even you admit that might be possible. 30 would be helpful for now, perhaps more later. Get it, now?

    Replies: @A123

    I get that you stated the number 50. A number in a range is still part of that range. Now you need to:

    — Defend the number 50 that you introduced to the conversation.
    — Or, admit error and withdraw it.

    Linguistic prevarication will not help your desperate attempts at evading what you previously stated. Number do not give you that option.

    Please stop with the *copium* and explain YOUR number that YOU introduced to the conversation. Or, do you lack the linguistic capability to understand ?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    50 would be 20 planes greater than 30. Planes could be gathered together from Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia as you point out (30+10+10). Why would it be better? More planes to defend Ukraine's skys from bombs that are falling on civilian enclaves.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  107. AP says:
    @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

     

    Bludgeoning the current occupied White House is not a good predictor for future policy. Inferring, on your part, is a precarious position.

    Trump started no new wars despite being baited by sociopath Khamenei.

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/presidentswars-600x312.jpg
     

    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump's actual record.


    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?
     
    Posterity will judge Not-The-President Biden as a loose cannon, nearly provoking nuclear war. Posterity will judge those who avoided such a war as wise.

    ______

    Let me restate material from a prior post:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-182-russia-ukraine/#comment-5256569


    @MrHack
    My strategy is to wait till “the real not the president Trump” is reelected and becomes the real president again. He’ll correct things in the US and in Ukraine too, just wait and see. Putin will have no other choice but to remove all of his troops from Ukraine, in deference to Trump’s omniscient greatness.
     

    @A123
    There can be little doubt that Not-The-President Biden’s elevation emboldened aggressive WEF Elites. The Blue Coup color revolution in the U.S. placed a huge amount of pressure on Putin to act sooner rather than later.

    It is key to note that Trump is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. Your expectation that he will be able to somehow reverse Putin’s gains to date is badly misplaced. You have the magnitude wrong, and likely the direction too.

    I suspect Trump would tacitly endorse Putin’s border revisions as fait accompli. The last thing MAGA wants is Russia supporting the actual enemy to American worker/citizens. Peeling Russia away from China, at aggressor WEF/Ukraine expense, would be a win.
     

    Your expectation that Trump will ride in to save the day is deluded. This will be over in a few months.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    You assumption that Trump would start a war with Russia is quite detached from Trump’s actual record.

    Of course Trump would not start a war with Russia. He would just make Russia bleed more in its invasion of Ukraine.

    Trump started giving Ukraine lethal weapons after Obama/Biden refused to do so. Trump sanctioned Nordstream despite Germany’s howls; Biden removed those sanctions. Trump demanded that European countries pour more money into their militaries, Biden and Obama didn’t.

    Biden seems to have woken up to Russia when it was already clear that Putin would invade due to Biden’s weakness and started pouring in weapons, but has refused to provide MIGs.

  108. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    What does Ukraine need planes for (whose number would be rather limited in any case), the course of the war so far seems to indicate that anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles can be pretty effective, not least in urban combat.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Planes would not be central to Ukraine’s defenses but it would be good to replace those that had been lost.

    • Replies: @216
    @AP

    In 67/73 air superiority was the key to IDF victories over Arab opponents which greatly outnumbered them. Russia hasn't gone to full mobilization of reserves, but largely controls the air. Setbacks on the ground appear linked to a smaller number of infantry than is required (hello Rumsfeld).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  109. @Alfa158
    @songbird

    The story doesn’t appear to be concocted but it was promoted to bring him public attention and set him up for a political career. The writer John Hersey who later wrote Hiroshima, wrote a long recounting of the action that was published in New Yorker magazine during the war, thus bringing JFK to the attention of the journalists and elite who read that magazine.
    The actual event wasn’t quite Medal of Honor material but he was brave, did his duty and took care of his men. If you strip out the puffery and dramatization, basically his PT boat was on a night patrol and was run over by a Japanese destroyer when they blundered into each other. JFK organized the survivors and swam with them to shore, helping a badly wounded crewman, then swam for help.
    The destroyer captain survived the war and was interviewed by reporters when JFK was President. As I recall it was kind of funny, they breathlessly asked him to recount the story and the captain was somewhat nonplussed. He basically just said “uh, well we were on patrol, and we ran over a boat and were in a hurry so we didn’t stop”. “Are you happy you didn’t inadvertently kill the man who would become President of the US?” “Yeah sure, whatever”.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    The destroyer captain survived the war and was interviewed by reporters when JFK was President. As I recall it was kind of funny, they breathlessly asked him to recount the story and the captain was somewhat nonplussed. He basically just said “uh, well we were on patrol, and we ran over a boat and were in a hurry so we didn’t stop”. “Are you happy you didn’t inadvertently kill the man who would become President of the US?” “Yeah sure, whatever”.

    One of the funniest things that I ever heard was that clip from the Arab Spring, where an American reporter keeps asking a street protester what he thinks of Obama. Probably was in Cairo.

  110. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    I found Ursula von der Leyen amusing when she said “We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over.”

    I mean, she has to be talking about winter, right? But that seems like very short term thinking. And total lack of thought about industry.

    I suspect that, short of some peace deal (which may be unlikely), the EU elites would be willing to go to rationing, as long as it remains a workable solution for staying in power.

    Replies: @Beckow, @216

    How fast could an additional gas pipeline be built from Israel?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @216

    From what I heard, it would be difficult to get the different countries involved to agree. Wouldn't it need to involve the two sides on Cyprus or something?

    Replies: @A123

  111. @AP
    @German_reader

    Planes would not be central to Ukraine's defenses but it would be good to replace those that had been lost.

    Replies: @216

    In 67/73 air superiority was the key to IDF victories over Arab opponents which greatly outnumbered them. Russia hasn’t gone to full mobilization of reserves, but largely controls the air. Setbacks on the ground appear linked to a smaller number of infantry than is required (hello Rumsfeld).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @216

    They have their landbridge now. The Kiev front was a FUSAG.

  112. @Beckow
    @songbird


    "We will not allow our sanctions to be circumvented. The time when energy could be used to blackmail us is over."
     
    Thus spoke Ursula: a perfect example of an assistant school principal rising to the heights if power. They have one in England too, even dumber. The time for running in the hallways is over!!!

    Brussels is committed - the switch to rubles would be too humiliating and very public. We will get rationing, promises, blackmail - block any oil and gas they can, that's what navies are for.

    Russia's point is simple: you can't pay us in money that you then freeze. Saying that energy is exempted is nonsense - money is fungible. EU in effect demands energy from Russia for free - that's what freezing the euro payment accounts means. Let's see who blinks.

    Kiev has tried this and ended up buying with a huge mark-up through intermediaries. It can be costly. Anyone can open an energy shop in Yerevan or Istanbul and for a fee exchange euros for rubles. (Yevardian is leaving, maybe he smells a business opportunity?)

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Aedib, @songbird

    Zelenksy called on Arab countries to supply more oil and gas to Europe. No wait – that was last Saturday. Today, he campaigned for a quick transition to green energy.

    • LOL: Aedib
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @songbird

    Hmm...I can imagine Zelensky's popularity in the Arab street: he loves the West, gets all the sympathy for a tiny fraction of suffering that Palestinians have endured, let's not forget he is a ... I am sure everyone in the Arab world knows it. They will send something, I doubt they are cheering him on...

  113. @216
    @AP

    In 67/73 air superiority was the key to IDF victories over Arab opponents which greatly outnumbered them. Russia hasn't gone to full mobilization of reserves, but largely controls the air. Setbacks on the ground appear linked to a smaller number of infantry than is required (hello Rumsfeld).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    They have their landbridge now. The Kiev front was a FUSAG.

  114. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s time to surrender in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Aedib, @LatW

    No. Let the big West Donbass cauldron boil. Azovites in the Mariupol cauldron have already been cooked.

  115. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s time to surrender in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Aedib, @LatW

    It’s time to surrender in Ukraine.

    It is against the Laws of Nature to surrender when you’re gaining momentum and starting a counterstrike. On the contrary – now is the time to pound harder. Keep pounding in all directions. More men are coming.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    10,000 captives in Mariupol. The Sloviansk pocket awaits. 35,000 troops to be bagged.

    Replies: @Aedib

  116. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    From all I read, intercontinental ballistic missiles cannot be intercepted by current missile defense, well at least with MIRV (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle).
     
    Of course not. I'm not talking about nuclear ICBMs but instead conventional hypersonics. As Ritter points out, the fact that they're maneuverable means that they can't be intercepted by standard anti-missile defenses.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    With conventional warheads, perhaps it could be effective in ship war.

    In the land war, though, missiles with conventional warheads do not cause much destruction relative for their cost. Things like airbases, can repair runways within a few hours of the missile attack.

    If you think about long-range missile with conventional warhead, most of the weight is for the energy of its propulsion to target. Iskander tactical ballistic missile is 4000 kg, but its warhead is only up to maximum 700kg. (https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26-2/), with a cost of tens of millions dollars per missile. Because of the cost, the number of missiles available is low. They also only destroy fixed targets.

    These systems become transformational, with tactical nuclear warheads. Iskander deployed in Kaliningrad, has tactical nuclear warheads.

    I’m not an expert, but this is just my amateur reasoning.

    In terms of navy conflict, then a single missile, can destroy a ship. This happened last week, when Ukrainian Tochka missile destroyed “Saratov” landing ship.

    So, a new kind of cruise missile (like hypersonic cruise missile), with conventional warhead, probably changes the balance of power in navy war much more if it cannot be intercepted by navy air defense.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    In the land war, though, missiles with conventional warheads do not cause much destruction relative for their cost. Things like airbases, can repair runways within a few hours of the missile attack.
     
    For decades, America has typically employed salvos of cruise missiles "to send a message." Probably these attacks have usually been tactically cost-ineffective, e.g. blowing up that aspirin factory in Sudan, but surely very useful in intimidating other countries.

    However, based upon more recent Syrian cases, I think Russian air defenses can now shoot them down pretty easily. I'd assume that Russian air defenses in their own country and Ukraine would be vastly more effective at the same thing.

    Similarly, except if targeting capital ships like carriers, Russian hypersonic attacks probably would be cost-ineffective tactically but perhaps very useful strategically. For example, blowing up that base with 30 (or maybe 200) foreign fighters plus (allegedly) lots of American and British intelligence officers may have really "sent a message" to NATO.

    Totally destroying the NATO HQ in Brussels at a pre-specified time would probably send a vastly more powerful message, potentially worth tens of billions of dollars of strategic impact. So it might be highly cost-effective even if it required a full salvo of hypersonics, costing many, many millions of dollars.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

  117. @216
    @songbird

    How fast could an additional gas pipeline be built from Israel?

    Replies: @songbird

    From what I heard, it would be difficult to get the different countries involved to agree. Wouldn’t it need to involve the two sides on Cyprus or something?

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    From what I heard, it would be difficult to get the different countries ed to agree. Wouldn’t it need to involve the two sides on Cyprus or something?

     

    The illegal Muslim occupiers in Cyprus are recognized by a single country, Turkey. The madness that is Erdogan has badly over reached on multiple fronts. Turkey is totally dependent on energy imports and if they declare "pipelines are legitimate targets" the ones needed for Turkey's economy will be blown up.

    EastMed is technically quite challenging. This will limit how quickly it can be completed rather than political issues.
    ___

    BalticPipe 1 will complete this year, though it is relatively small. It is a proof of concept for Baltic 2, 3, etc. Gearing up Norwegian production and building using proven technology can meet Northern European natural gas needs in a time efficient manner.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @216

  118. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    @A123


    The problem with this type of overstatement is that standard anti-missile defenses can work, though less effectively. Hypersonic is an incremental improvement, not a strategic battlefield change.
     
    I'm absolutely no military expert on these technical issues. But Ritter's persuasive point was that all existing anti-missile defenses are based upon locking onto a fixed trajectory as they approach the target. If hypersonics are maneuvering, those methods can't be used so the missiles can't be intercepted.

    Presumably, at some point better interception technologies can be developed. But probably not for some time.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    Ritter’s persuasive point was that all existing anti-missile defenses are based upon locking onto a fixed trajectory as they approach the target. If hypersonics are maneuvering, those methods can’t be used so the missiles can’t be intercepted.

    The concept is not as persuasive as it may first appear.

    Longer range solutions use onboard detection to continuously update target location. This is necessary against potential diversions such as decoys or other countermeasures. Maneuvering makes the intercept harder, but not conceptually different. Instead of a “double tap” to completely box the inbound missile it could require a “triple tap” with three interceptors. There are only so many evasion options available.

    At short range, how much can a extremely high speed system maneuver when approaching a fixed target before it misses? Physics is a cruel mistress. Late stage maneuver still leaves the incoming weapon in a similar intercept location vis-a-vis less maneuverable options.
    ___

    Again, I do not want to underestimate the hypersonic concept.

    Dealing with such a weapon is incrementally more difficult. It requires a super carrier position that is further back from its potential targets and chews up more interceptors per inbound. It is a genuine issue of tactical & usage doctrine changes that are undesirable for a carrier Task Force. However, while expensive and logistically challenging, hypersonic weapons are not inherently a game changer.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @A123


    Longer range solutions use onboard detection to continuously update target location. This is necessary against potential diversions such as decoys or other countermeasures...At short range, how much can a extremely high speed system maneuver when approaching a fixed target before it misses?...However, while expensive and logistically challenging, hypersonic weapons are not inherently a game changer.
     
    All your points are perfectly valid. It's entirely an engineering/physics/technical issue. Maybe hypersonics are currently unstoppable but that will change as anti-missile defenses improve.

    I don't have the technical expertise to evaluate these issues, nor I suspect do you or any of the other commenters on this thread. Scott Ritter seems to have pretty good technical expertise and probably has worked over the years with others of even greater expertise. He seems to think that as of right now, the Russian hypersonics are unstoppable. Maybe he's entirely mistaken, but I'm just deferring to his judgment unless/until someone of seemingly comparable credibility says otherwise.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @A123

  119. AP says:
    @Aedib
    Mariupol summary.
    - The flag of Donetsk People Republic flies in the city.
    - 5000 ukronazis dead. 5,000 captured.
    - Mopping operations in some buildings of the city.
    - Some Azovites hide in the Azovstal steel factory. They will be supressed by hunger.
    - Kadirov and Pushilin in the city.
    - Civilians come out of the cellars.
    - Many coincident testimonies about the atrocities committed by the Nazis of the Azov battalion against civilians.
    - The city was badly damaged but there is relief in the people as the news about the suppression of the Azov Battalion spreads.

    Replies: @AP

    Wasn’t it taken two days ago? Or the 24th? I wouldn’t be surprised if today was the day, but who knows?

    Many coincident testimonies about the atrocities committed by the Nazis of the Azov battalion against civilians

    I’m sure people will say all sorts of things that armed Russians want to hear.

    Kadirov and Pushilin in the city.

    Not really:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @AP

    That was in Russia before he entered into former Ukraine. That's yesterday

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1508528805815767043

    I know you are waiting Von Manstein counter attack from Volnovakha but it will not happen. Remaining Azovites will just starve in Azovstal.

  120. Nice Bod, Wrong Message

    Re: Below Tweet

    Marco Rubio noted the obvious about Russia being different from some other countries where no fly zones have been implemented.

    After years of seeking a peaceable option, Russia established a no-fly zone in Ukraine with hypersonic missiles. Not worth risking WW III to challenge it. Best to seek a settlement ASAP, if the true intent is to reduce deaths. Looking ahead, note what the eventual settlement will likely entail, relative to how if could’ve been earlier achieved.

    Otherwise, a great workout. On that unit, I’m up to 20 minutes straight at level 21 (out of a 25-level max) on manual.

  121. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @216

    From what I heard, it would be difficult to get the different countries involved to agree. Wouldn't it need to involve the two sides on Cyprus or something?

    Replies: @A123

    From what I heard, it would be difficult to get the different countries ed to agree. Wouldn’t it need to involve the two sides on Cyprus or something?

    The illegal Muslim occupiers in Cyprus are recognized by a single country, Turkey. The madness that is Erdogan has badly over reached on multiple fronts. Turkey is totally dependent on energy imports and if they declare “pipelines are legitimate targets” the ones needed for Turkey’s economy will be blown up.

    EastMed is technically quite challenging. This will limit how quickly it can be completed rather than political issues.
    ___

    BalticPipe 1 will complete this year, though it is relatively small. It is a proof of concept for Baltic 2, 3, etc. Gearing up Norwegian production and building using proven technology can meet Northern European natural gas needs in a time efficient manner.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @216
    @A123


    EastMed is technically quite challenging. This will limit how quickly it can be completed rather than political issues.
     
    It was my understanding that the Biden Usurpation ended it, but it could be quickly revived and given priority access on material if the US used the "Defense Production Act".

    The other alternative is a pipeline from Nigeria, which requires even more political collaboration in an even more unstable region.

    Replies: @A123

  122. The best Russia-Ukraine analytical shows:

    https://america.cgtn.com/2022/03/26/the-heat-ukraine-crisis-10

    https://america.cgtn.com/2022/03/29/the-heat-russia-ukraine-conflict-2

    Max Blumenthal said that a NY area discussion featuring himself, Scott Horton, Julia Ioffe and Clint Watts was abruptly cancelled. Ioffe and Watts would’ve been intellectually demolished. It’s not a crackpot conspiracy theory to believe that the establishment at large, is intentionally restricting a more accurate reporting and analysis of the Russia-Ukraine situation.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1503461767040618506

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
  123. @Beckow
    @Dmitry


    ...little money changing currency in Erevan or Gyumri does not seem such a great opportunity by comparison.
     
    Sure, it is no big deal for $100k. But imagine the volume a sharp intermediary could get here, 25 basis points for billion euros pays for a lot of Turkish coffee. Even Dostoevsky would jump on it.

    We have two sides that can't give in publicly, but both want the business to continue. So you go through intermediaries, it is not that hard.

    In the short run Russia will muddle the process, delay and wait. In the long run EU will pay in rubles. EU stupidly shot itself in the foot by objecting "but, contracts", hiding behind a temporary reason. As the current contracts end - some are ending later this year - they will quietly switch to rubles. On the spot market there are no contracts - a gold mine for middlemen. The ruble will climb and prices will be higher.

    Both sides will claim that they prevailed. After all it is about who can preen and strut as a victor. Silly world.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    If the sanctions do not go and sanctions are (currently) very leaky, then what happens is that there is more “transaction cost”.

    This will be the same with the consumer goods. Kadyrov will still import Maybachs, but they go from Germany to somewhere like Armenia, and then Armenia to Russia, and so you are probably right that countries like Armenia could profit with a transaction cost.

    All the luxury products will become more “high status”, as the price increases. If Nike and Adidas really freeze in the long term, they will become more fashionable and high status, than they already are. When I was a child, you were already the cool kids in school, although in recent years there was a lot of brand deflation.

    In Soviet times, Levi jeans, were viewed like real luxury products, because of the ban on import.

    Although expensive European companies were already doing this in Russian market, simply by raising the price a lot. It’s famous that all luxury products, whether Dior handbags, or just Miele dishwasher, cost a lot more in Russia, because the companies know the customers almost desire higher prices to limit “European prestige” to narrower circles.

    Japan luxury cars are also being restricted now (https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5282541) so probably Lexus imported via e.g. Armenia will attain increasingly prestigious perceptions with local bourgeoisie, other things equal.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Dmitry

    Ukraine will probably implode into civil war, in which smuggling will be easy.

  124. @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    I get that you stated the number 50. A number in a range is still part of that range. Now you need to:

    -- Defend the number 50 that you introduced to the conversation.
    -- Or, admit error and withdraw it.

    Linguistic prevarication will not help your desperate attempts at evading what you previously stated. Number do not give you that option.

    Please stop with the *copium* and explain YOUR number that YOU introduced to the conversation. Or, do you lack the linguistic capability to understand ?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    50 would be 20 planes greater than 30. Planes could be gathered together from Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia as you point out (30+10+10). Why would it be better? More planes to defend Ukraine’s skys from bombs that are falling on civilian enclaves.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    You really don't think they'd get bombed before ever being used in battle? How many Kiev regime planes are flying right now? We know the story about that ghost guy shooting down Russian planes.

    Replies: @A123

  125. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    50 would be 20 planes greater than 30. Planes could be gathered together from Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia as you point out (30+10+10). Why would it be better? More planes to defend Ukraine's skys from bombs that are falling on civilian enclaves.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    You really don’t think they’d get bombed before ever being used in battle? How many Kiev regime planes are flying right now? We know the story about that ghost guy shooting down Russian planes.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail

    He has a math problem and is so trapped by desperation he cannot make even a simple correction. The sum (less than 30 +10+ 10) is less than his 50.

    I also asked him about how useful his "Bravery 50" would be against a vastly superior Russian Air Force. He declined to answer.

    His precious Azov battalion as fallen and Zelensky has no forces capable of a counter offensive across the open ground in South Eastern Ukraine. That territory is permanently gone.

    Sadly, he is a case of massive *copium* overwhelming common sense. I have been trying to force him to stop linguistic evasiveness and face the truth, but it appears to be futile. His ultra nationalistic self delusion simply cannot be reasoned with.

    *shrug*

    We do what we can, but I am not about to place myself in the role of Sisyphus trying to push the Boulder of Hack uphill to the pinnacle of Logic. The Boulder of Hack willingly chooses the Pit of Irrational Copium.

    PEACE 😇



    P.S. Could I be accidentally helping Hack?

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/42c865d87111055ac266e12375a6118a/8b822b6d4b97ef9c-05/s1280x1920/2bf45427719bf6867d18c83111ad17851102c0f0.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  126. @AP
    @Aedib

    Wasn't it taken two days ago? Or the 24th? I wouldn't be surprised if today was the day, but who knows?


    Many coincident testimonies about the atrocities committed by the Nazis of the Azov battalion against civilians
     
    I'm sure people will say all sorts of things that armed Russians want to hear.

    Kadirov and Pushilin in the city.
     
    Not really:



    https://twitter.com/AnonOpsSE/status/1508776500367138818?s=20&t=Sli91Eqki8tWJFDK9IICtA

    Replies: @Aedib

    That was in Russia before he entered into former Ukraine. That’s yesterday

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1508528805815767043

    I know you are waiting Von Manstein counter attack from Volnovakha but it will not happen. Remaining Azovites will just starve in Azovstal.

  127. Here are interesting historical documents I found you can read freely on Google books – classic versions of “Life Magazine” (1883 to 1972).

    In relation to the discussion about Vietnam War in the Oliver Stone thread.

    Here is a copy of the famous Life Magazine about the weekly deaths in the war in 1969 (over 200 deaths of American soldiers), while the president was Richard Nixon.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=pE8EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=ru

    The articles are quite interesting to read there. But the majority of “Life Magazine” is really advertising, for cigarettes and expensive liquor (apparently spending habits the 1960s American bourgeoisie, reflect decadent ways to use your money to enjoy life without too much conscience about health).

  128. @songbird
    @Beckow

    Zelenksy called on Arab countries to supply more oil and gas to Europe. No wait - that was last Saturday. Today, he campaigned for a quick transition to green energy.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Hmm…I can imagine Zelensky’s popularity in the Arab street: he loves the West, gets all the sympathy for a tiny fraction of suffering that Palestinians have endured, let’s not forget he is a … I am sure everyone in the Arab world knows it. They will send something, I doubt they are cheering him on…

  129. 216 says: • Website
    @A123
    @songbird


    From what I heard, it would be difficult to get the different countries ed to agree. Wouldn’t it need to involve the two sides on Cyprus or something?

     

    The illegal Muslim occupiers in Cyprus are recognized by a single country, Turkey. The madness that is Erdogan has badly over reached on multiple fronts. Turkey is totally dependent on energy imports and if they declare "pipelines are legitimate targets" the ones needed for Turkey's economy will be blown up.

    EastMed is technically quite challenging. This will limit how quickly it can be completed rather than political issues.
    ___

    BalticPipe 1 will complete this year, though it is relatively small. It is a proof of concept for Baltic 2, 3, etc. Gearing up Norwegian production and building using proven technology can meet Northern European natural gas needs in a time efficient manner.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @216

    EastMed is technically quite challenging. This will limit how quickly it can be completed rather than political issues.

    It was my understanding that the Biden Usurpation ended it, but it could be quickly revived and given priority access on material if the US used the “Defense Production Act”.

    The other alternative is a pipeline from Nigeria, which requires even more political collaboration in an even more unstable region.

    • Replies: @A123
    @216



    EastMed is technically quite challenging. This will limit how quickly it can be completed rather than political issues.

     

    It was my understanding that the Biden Usurpation ended it, but it could be quickly revived and given priority access on material if the US used the “Defense Production Act”.
     
    EastMed was slowed not stopped by the ineffectual Not-The-President Biden. Everyone serious realizes that his administration has no credibility or long term endurance. Simply getting out of the way would be enough to resume its former pace. No need of anything as enthusiastic as the DPA.

    PEACE 😇
  130. @songbird
    Seems quite surprising to me that Peru is food negative.

    Replies: @Badger Down

    Coastal desert, dry mountains, high-plain badlands, wet mountains, Amazon jungle. And 35m people.

  131. @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    It’s time to surrender in Ukraine.
     
    It is against the Laws of Nature to surrender when you're gaining momentum and starting a counterstrike. On the contrary - now is the time to pound harder. Keep pounding in all directions. More men are coming.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    10,000 captives in Mariupol. The Sloviansk pocket awaits. 35,000 troops to be bagged.

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    Actually, around 60K between Marinka and Izyum (before the bombardments). The cauldron is not closed yet but they can't retreat by just walking.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  132. @Ron Unz
    @A123


    The problem with this type of overstatement is that standard anti-missile defenses can work, though less effectively. Hypersonic is an incremental improvement, not a strategic battlefield change.
     
    I'm absolutely no military expert on these technical issues. But Ritter's persuasive point was that all existing anti-missile defenses are based upon locking onto a fixed trajectory as they approach the target. If hypersonics are maneuvering, those methods can't be used so the missiles can't be intercepted.

    Presumably, at some point better interception technologies can be developed. But probably not for some time.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    Hypersonic would be for fleet actions.

  133. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    You really don't think they'd get bombed before ever being used in battle? How many Kiev regime planes are flying right now? We know the story about that ghost guy shooting down Russian planes.

    Replies: @A123

    He has a math problem and is so trapped by desperation he cannot make even a simple correction. The sum (less than 30 +10+ 10) is less than his 50.

    I also asked him about how useful his “Bravery 50” would be against a vastly superior Russian Air Force. He declined to answer.

    His precious Azov battalion as fallen and Zelensky has no forces capable of a counter offensive across the open ground in South Eastern Ukraine. That territory is permanently gone.

    Sadly, he is a case of massive *copium* overwhelming common sense. I have been trying to force him to stop linguistic evasiveness and face the truth, but it appears to be futile. His ultra nationalistic self delusion simply cannot be reasoned with.

    *shrug*

    We do what we can, but I am not about to place myself in the role of Sisyphus trying to push the Boulder of Hack uphill to the pinnacle of Logic. The Boulder of Hack willingly chooses the Pit of Irrational Copium.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    P.S. Could I be accidentally helping Hack?

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I hate to disagree with you but the sum of 30 + 10 +10 is not less than 50, but equals 50.


    I also asked him about how useful his “Bravery 50” would be against a vastly superior Russian Air Force. He declined to answer.
     
    I would expect that those flying these planes would do as well as the rest of the armed services, greatly outnumbered - bravely and spectacularly.

    His precious Azov battalion as fallen and Zelensky has no forces capable of a counter offensive across the open ground in South Eastern Ukraine. That territory is permanently gone.
     
    The Azov battalion is still fighting bravely in bombed out Mariupol (another good reason that Ukraine needs planes), and was involved in heroically defending Kharkiv today against your precious Russian military.

    Sadly, he is a case of massive *copium* overwhelming common sense. I have been trying to force him to stop linguistic evasiveness and face the truth,
     
    It's a shame that you've decided to abandon the one that you've revered so much, Donald Trump, and now more than ever resemble more his antagonist Joe Biden, at least with respect to questions regarding the Ukrainian theater of war. This is the truth that you refuse to face and are infuriated that I'm willing to call you out on this one! And I'll continue to call you out on this one!!

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  134. @AP
    Ukrainian schools seem not too bad?



    https://twitter.com/malmesburyman/status/1508513064764780550?s=21&t=8AUcYYk186CSDN4Ol1IUtg

    Replies: @songbird, @A123, @Wokechoke

    Sammy Davis Junior Jr, Seeing Eye Bitch.

  135. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    10,000 captives in Mariupol. The Sloviansk pocket awaits. 35,000 troops to be bagged.

    Replies: @Aedib

    Actually, around 60K between Marinka and Izyum (before the bombardments). The cauldron is not closed yet but they can’t retreat by just walking.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    It’ll be like Falaise.

    Replies: @Aedib

  136. Looking at a climatological map of Peru is really eye-opening. The temperate area is a relatively narrow sliver, a big part of the country is rated as polar tundra.

    I’ve always wondered how the Inca were able to have such a large empire, compared to the Greeks who were disunited and fighting against each other for so long, until Phillip II was using phalanxes against them.

    But it seems to make sense, when you look at the climate. Looks relatively easy to defend – though I believe they did have hostile contact with jungle tribes, who had pointy teeth. That probably made it easier to consolidate, under one political system, since it is just like one long line, going north and south.

  137. @216
    @A123


    EastMed is technically quite challenging. This will limit how quickly it can be completed rather than political issues.
     
    It was my understanding that the Biden Usurpation ended it, but it could be quickly revived and given priority access on material if the US used the "Defense Production Act".

    The other alternative is a pipeline from Nigeria, which requires even more political collaboration in an even more unstable region.

    Replies: @A123

    EastMed is technically quite challenging. This will limit how quickly it can be completed rather than political issues.

    It was my understanding that the Biden Usurpation ended it, but it could be quickly revived and given priority access on material if the US used the “Defense Production Act”.

    EastMed was slowed not stopped by the ineffectual Not-The-President Biden. Everyone serious realizes that his administration has no credibility or long term endurance. Simply getting out of the way would be enough to resume its former pace. No need of anything as enthusiastic as the DPA.

    PEACE 😇

  138. @German_reader
    Globohomo news from Germany:
    https://jungefreiheit.de/debatte/kommentar/2022/transgender-maus/

    Sendung mit der Maus, one of Germany's longest-running children's tv programmes (aimed at children in kindergarten and elementary school), recently had a segment about transgenderism...ending on the hopeful note that soon everybody in Germany will be able to declare their gender according to their own desires without much legal hassle (this is a reference to legislation to that effect planned by the new government).
    TV must be one of the worst inventions ever, even if the medium isn't inherently subversive, it's certainly one of the more effective channels for re-propramming society.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @songbird

    On twitter, Christopher Rufo recently posted a clip of a Disney executive producer, who appeared to be a black lesbo, saying her team has implemented a “not-at-all-secret gay agenda” and is regularly “adding queerness” to children’s programming.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    Definitely not a secret (1)

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.proudparenting.com/2018/04/disney-introduces-rainbow-colored-mickey-mouse-ears-for-pride-month/

     
    https://www.proudparenting.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/DisneyEars.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  139. @songbird
    @German_reader

    On twitter, Christopher Rufo recently posted a clip of a Disney executive producer, who appeared to be a black lesbo, saying her team has implemented a "not-at-all-secret gay agenda" and is regularly "adding queerness" to children's programming.

    Replies: @A123

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    IIRC, Bob Iger introduced some sort of gay day, nearly 20 years ago. But I suppose it must be more than one day now.
    _________
    BTW, is Will Smith gay? I hadn't realized that he was supposed to be some super cuck.

    Replies: @A123

  140. I need to composite a new 😁Open Thread Humor😂 collection…

    While you wait, I give you this tribute to Pope Francis…

    Jesus would not wear the hat from the previous post…

    PEACE 😇

     

  141. @A123
    @songbird

    Definitely not a secret (1)

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.proudparenting.com/2018/04/disney-introduces-rainbow-colored-mickey-mouse-ears-for-pride-month/

     
    https://www.proudparenting.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/DisneyEars.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    IIRC, Bob Iger introduced some sort of gay day, nearly 20 years ago. But I suppose it must be more than one day now.
    _________
    BTW, is Will Smith gay? I hadn’t realized that he was supposed to be some super cuck.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    is Will Smith gay? I hadn’t realized that he was supposed to be some super cuck.
     
    His wife *boinked* someone else while they were legally separated. That hardly scores as super cuck. Perhaps mildly so if he was not using the opportunity for his own *boink*.

    Much of the reputation is IMHO unfair. During his years as a rapper he offered up commercially interesting work about girls, cars, school, etc. Those using rap to espouse crime, drugs, and prostitution did not appreciate his lack of deviancy.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  142. @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    With conventional warheads, perhaps it could be effective in ship war.

    In the land war, though, missiles with conventional warheads do not cause much destruction relative for their cost. Things like airbases, can repair runways within a few hours of the missile attack.

    If you think about long-range missile with conventional warhead, most of the weight is for the energy of its propulsion to target. Iskander tactical ballistic missile is 4000 kg, but its warhead is only up to maximum 700kg. (https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26-2/), with a cost of tens of millions dollars per missile. Because of the cost, the number of missiles available is low. They also only destroy fixed targets.

    These systems become transformational, with tactical nuclear warheads. Iskander deployed in Kaliningrad, has tactical nuclear warheads.

    I'm not an expert, but this is just my amateur reasoning.

    In terms of navy conflict, then a single missile, can destroy a ship. This happened last week, when Ukrainian Tochka missile destroyed "Saratov" landing ship.

    So, a new kind of cruise missile (like hypersonic cruise missile), with conventional warhead, probably changes the balance of power in navy war much more if it cannot be intercepted by navy air defense.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    In the land war, though, missiles with conventional warheads do not cause much destruction relative for their cost. Things like airbases, can repair runways within a few hours of the missile attack.

    For decades, America has typically employed salvos of cruise missiles “to send a message.” Probably these attacks have usually been tactically cost-ineffective, e.g. blowing up that aspirin factory in Sudan, but surely very useful in intimidating other countries.

    However, based upon more recent Syrian cases, I think Russian air defenses can now shoot them down pretty easily. I’d assume that Russian air defenses in their own country and Ukraine would be vastly more effective at the same thing.

    Similarly, except if targeting capital ships like carriers, Russian hypersonic attacks probably would be cost-ineffective tactically but perhaps very useful strategically. For example, blowing up that base with 30 (or maybe 200) foreign fighters plus (allegedly) lots of American and British intelligence officers may have really “sent a message” to NATO.

    Totally destroying the NATO HQ in Brussels at a pre-specified time would probably send a vastly more powerful message, potentially worth tens of billions of dollars of strategic impact. So it might be highly cost-effective even if it required a full salvo of hypersonics, costing many, many millions of dollars.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    This will be a medieval war in one interesting respect. Lots of powerful players and officers getting killed or captured in proportion to lower ranks.

    It’s been interesting to see the Russians do war in Ukraine. Lot’s of driving around in the north while they captured the south. Western media did its bit to distract itself from the Landbridge Scenario.

    , @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).

    But if a warhead is conventional, the damage from one attack, would be small and not have likely military significance between countries. If the warhead is nuclear (tactical or strategic weapons) then it would create military signifance, but there would create a response of the same weapons (so fortunately not likely between nuclear powers).


    have usually been tactically cost-ineffective, e.g. blowing up that aspirin factory in Sudan,
     
    This is why ground-launched cruise missiles are not always so useful, because they only go to fixed targets you have seen from ground or satellite images, which are already in the target bank

    You can have bad intelligence, or even good intelligence which is too old (maybe by minutes) and you destroy a useless building.

    Whereas drones like Bayraktar TB2, can find the new targets with real time, have no "sense shooter delay", are very difficult to intercept for air defense.

    Also modern strike fighters with targeting pods can find new targets. Planes like Eurofighter Typhoon are added with targeting pods which are able to find new targets on the ground during its flying. Currently in the Russian air force there are no planes with targeting pods and you can see the effect now in Ukraine with no attacks with e.g. guided weapons against moving targets.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Sean

  143. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    In the land war, though, missiles with conventional warheads do not cause much destruction relative for their cost. Things like airbases, can repair runways within a few hours of the missile attack.
     
    For decades, America has typically employed salvos of cruise missiles "to send a message." Probably these attacks have usually been tactically cost-ineffective, e.g. blowing up that aspirin factory in Sudan, but surely very useful in intimidating other countries.

    However, based upon more recent Syrian cases, I think Russian air defenses can now shoot them down pretty easily. I'd assume that Russian air defenses in their own country and Ukraine would be vastly more effective at the same thing.

    Similarly, except if targeting capital ships like carriers, Russian hypersonic attacks probably would be cost-ineffective tactically but perhaps very useful strategically. For example, blowing up that base with 30 (or maybe 200) foreign fighters plus (allegedly) lots of American and British intelligence officers may have really "sent a message" to NATO.

    Totally destroying the NATO HQ in Brussels at a pre-specified time would probably send a vastly more powerful message, potentially worth tens of billions of dollars of strategic impact. So it might be highly cost-effective even if it required a full salvo of hypersonics, costing many, many millions of dollars.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    This will be a medieval war in one interesting respect. Lots of powerful players and officers getting killed or captured in proportion to lower ranks.

    It’s been interesting to see the Russians do war in Ukraine. Lot’s of driving around in the north while they captured the south. Western media did its bit to distract itself from the Landbridge Scenario.

  144. @A123
    @Ron Unz


    Ritter’s persuasive point was that all existing anti-missile defenses are based upon locking onto a fixed trajectory as they approach the target. If hypersonics are maneuvering, those methods can’t be used so the missiles can’t be intercepted.
     
    The concept is not as persuasive as it may first appear.

    Longer range solutions use onboard detection to continuously update target location. This is necessary against potential diversions such as decoys or other countermeasures. Maneuvering makes the intercept harder, but not conceptually different. Instead of a "double tap" to completely box the inbound missile it could require a "triple tap" with three interceptors. There are only so many evasion options available.

    At short range, how much can a extremely high speed system maneuver when approaching a fixed target before it misses? Physics is a cruel mistress. Late stage maneuver still leaves the incoming weapon in a similar intercept location vis-a-vis less maneuverable options.
    ___

    Again, I do not want to underestimate the hypersonic concept.

    Dealing with such a weapon is incrementally more difficult. It requires a super carrier position that is further back from its potential targets and chews up more interceptors per inbound. It is a genuine issue of tactical & usage doctrine changes that are undesirable for a carrier Task Force. However, while expensive and logistically challenging, hypersonic weapons are not inherently a game changer.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Longer range solutions use onboard detection to continuously update target location. This is necessary against potential diversions such as decoys or other countermeasures…At short range, how much can a extremely high speed system maneuver when approaching a fixed target before it misses?…However, while expensive and logistically challenging, hypersonic weapons are not inherently a game changer.

    All your points are perfectly valid. It’s entirely an engineering/physics/technical issue. Maybe hypersonics are currently unstoppable but that will change as anti-missile defenses improve.

    I don’t have the technical expertise to evaluate these issues, nor I suspect do you or any of the other commenters on this thread. Scott Ritter seems to have pretty good technical expertise and probably has worked over the years with others of even greater expertise. He seems to think that as of right now, the Russian hypersonics are unstoppable. Maybe he’s entirely mistaken, but I’m just deferring to his judgment unless/until someone of seemingly comparable credibility says otherwise.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    We can view Ukraine as a chess board.

    Hypersonic are like Bishops.

    , @Mikhail
    @Ron Unz

    A good overview along the lines of Ritter:

    https://audioboom.com/posts/8056648-ukraine-the-same-kremlin-kyiv-deal-that-was-ready-in-january-gregory-r-copley-gregory_cople

    , @A123
    @Ron Unz


    It’s entirely an engineering/physics/technical issue.
    ...
    Scott Ritter seems to have pretty good technical expertise
    ...
    Maybe he’s entirely mistaken, but I’m just deferring to his judgment unless/until someone of seemingly comparable credibility says otherwise.
     
    You position is understandable, but there is a catch... How does the media grant "seemingly comparable credibility"?

    -- Those who say "hypersonic" is unstoppable = audience
    -- Those who say "hypersonic" is useless = audience
    -- Those who say "hypersonic" is nuanced and merely incremental = near zero ratings

    It may not be an expression of intentional malice, but the "middle of the road" case is given short shrift. I am sure there are credible voices speaking to the ambiguity of hypersonic weaponry. What venue hosts ambiguity?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  145. @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    Actually, around 60K between Marinka and Izyum (before the bombardments). The cauldron is not closed yet but they can't retreat by just walking.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’ll be like Falaise.

    • Agree: LondonBob, Aedib
    • Replies: @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    Or a mini Stalingrad.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  146. @Ron Unz
    @A123


    Longer range solutions use onboard detection to continuously update target location. This is necessary against potential diversions such as decoys or other countermeasures...At short range, how much can a extremely high speed system maneuver when approaching a fixed target before it misses?...However, while expensive and logistically challenging, hypersonic weapons are not inherently a game changer.
     
    All your points are perfectly valid. It's entirely an engineering/physics/technical issue. Maybe hypersonics are currently unstoppable but that will change as anti-missile defenses improve.

    I don't have the technical expertise to evaluate these issues, nor I suspect do you or any of the other commenters on this thread. Scott Ritter seems to have pretty good technical expertise and probably has worked over the years with others of even greater expertise. He seems to think that as of right now, the Russian hypersonics are unstoppable. Maybe he's entirely mistaken, but I'm just deferring to his judgment unless/until someone of seemingly comparable credibility says otherwise.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @A123

    We can view Ukraine as a chess board.

    Hypersonic are like Bishops.

  147. @songbird
    @A123

    IIRC, Bob Iger introduced some sort of gay day, nearly 20 years ago. But I suppose it must be more than one day now.
    _________
    BTW, is Will Smith gay? I hadn't realized that he was supposed to be some super cuck.

    Replies: @A123

    is Will Smith gay? I hadn’t realized that he was supposed to be some super cuck.

    His wife *boinked* someone else while they were legally separated. That hardly scores as super cuck. Perhaps mildly so if he was not using the opportunity for his own *boink*.

    Much of the reputation is IMHO unfair. During his years as a rapper he offered up commercially interesting work about girls, cars, school, etc. Those using rap to espouse crime, drugs, and prostitution did not appreciate his lack of deviancy.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Heard 4-5 since Tupac (though they were just dating back then), but I can't confirm. There's definitely some strange language in an interview about Jada coming from a family with open relationships.

    Maybe, it would go against the theory that Jada is his beard, that she was his second wife? But I'll put it aside. Some would say that they are just practicing African norms.

    I grew up with Will being heavily promoted. I won't say that I ever considered him a role model, but I think he was given a lot, and I was disappointed that he broke his vow about using clean language. For one thing, the Bad Boyz movies (I only recall the second) were filled with cuss words and very degenerate.

  148. @A123
    @Mikhail

    He has a math problem and is so trapped by desperation he cannot make even a simple correction. The sum (less than 30 +10+ 10) is less than his 50.

    I also asked him about how useful his "Bravery 50" would be against a vastly superior Russian Air Force. He declined to answer.

    His precious Azov battalion as fallen and Zelensky has no forces capable of a counter offensive across the open ground in South Eastern Ukraine. That territory is permanently gone.

    Sadly, he is a case of massive *copium* overwhelming common sense. I have been trying to force him to stop linguistic evasiveness and face the truth, but it appears to be futile. His ultra nationalistic self delusion simply cannot be reasoned with.

    *shrug*

    We do what we can, but I am not about to place myself in the role of Sisyphus trying to push the Boulder of Hack uphill to the pinnacle of Logic. The Boulder of Hack willingly chooses the Pit of Irrational Copium.

    PEACE 😇



    P.S. Could I be accidentally helping Hack?

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/42c865d87111055ac266e12375a6118a/8b822b6d4b97ef9c-05/s1280x1920/2bf45427719bf6867d18c83111ad17851102c0f0.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I hate to disagree with you but the sum of 30 + 10 +10 is not less than 50, but equals 50.

    I also asked him about how useful his “Bravery 50” would be against a vastly superior Russian Air Force. He declined to answer.

    I would expect that those flying these planes would do as well as the rest of the armed services, greatly outnumbered – bravely and spectacularly.

    His precious Azov battalion as fallen and Zelensky has no forces capable of a counter offensive across the open ground in South Eastern Ukraine. That territory is permanently gone.

    The Azov battalion is still fighting bravely in bombed out Mariupol (another good reason that Ukraine needs planes), and was involved in heroically defending Kharkiv today against your precious Russian military.

    Sadly, he is a case of massive *copium* overwhelming common sense. I have been trying to force him to stop linguistic evasiveness and face the truth,

    It’s a shame that you’ve decided to abandon the one that you’ve revered so much, Donald Trump, and now more than ever resemble more his antagonist Joe Biden, at least with respect to questions regarding the Ukrainian theater of war. This is the truth that you refuse to face and are infuriated that I’m willing to call you out on this one! And I’ll continue to call you out on this one!!

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    They’ve got their water back on, they got the Azov Sea, they have the EEZ in Black Sea…probably got the bulk of the Ukie army in the Kramatorsk pocket…Kiev will just die on the vine now.

    Replies: @AP

  149. @Ron Unz
    @A123


    Longer range solutions use onboard detection to continuously update target location. This is necessary against potential diversions such as decoys or other countermeasures...At short range, how much can a extremely high speed system maneuver when approaching a fixed target before it misses?...However, while expensive and logistically challenging, hypersonic weapons are not inherently a game changer.
     
    All your points are perfectly valid. It's entirely an engineering/physics/technical issue. Maybe hypersonics are currently unstoppable but that will change as anti-missile defenses improve.

    I don't have the technical expertise to evaluate these issues, nor I suspect do you or any of the other commenters on this thread. Scott Ritter seems to have pretty good technical expertise and probably has worked over the years with others of even greater expertise. He seems to think that as of right now, the Russian hypersonics are unstoppable. Maybe he's entirely mistaken, but I'm just deferring to his judgment unless/until someone of seemingly comparable credibility says otherwise.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @A123

  150. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    @A123


    Longer range solutions use onboard detection to continuously update target location. This is necessary against potential diversions such as decoys or other countermeasures...At short range, how much can a extremely high speed system maneuver when approaching a fixed target before it misses?...However, while expensive and logistically challenging, hypersonic weapons are not inherently a game changer.
     
    All your points are perfectly valid. It's entirely an engineering/physics/technical issue. Maybe hypersonics are currently unstoppable but that will change as anti-missile defenses improve.

    I don't have the technical expertise to evaluate these issues, nor I suspect do you or any of the other commenters on this thread. Scott Ritter seems to have pretty good technical expertise and probably has worked over the years with others of even greater expertise. He seems to think that as of right now, the Russian hypersonics are unstoppable. Maybe he's entirely mistaken, but I'm just deferring to his judgment unless/until someone of seemingly comparable credibility says otherwise.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @A123

    It’s entirely an engineering/physics/technical issue.

    Scott Ritter seems to have pretty good technical expertise

    Maybe he’s entirely mistaken, but I’m just deferring to his judgment unless/until someone of seemingly comparable credibility says otherwise.

    You position is understandable, but there is a catch… How does the media grant “seemingly comparable credibility”?

    — Those who say “hypersonic” is unstoppable = audience
    — Those who say “hypersonic” is useless = audience
    — Those who say “hypersonic” is nuanced and merely incremental = near zero ratings

    It may not be an expression of intentional malice, but the “middle of the road” case is given short shrift. I am sure there are credible voices speaking to the ambiguity of hypersonic weaponry. What venue hosts ambiguity?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @A123


    It may not be an expression of intentional malice, but the “middle of the road” case is given short shrift. I am sure there are credible voices speaking to the ambiguity of hypersonic weaponry. What venue hosts ambiguity?
     
    Sure, but in keeping with my comment upthread, let's avoid generalities and put the question in very concrete terms, using an example with potentially gigantic strategic impact.

    Suppose the Russians announced that they intended to destroy the NATO HQ tomorrow morning at 10am using a salvo of hypersonic missiles. Or maybe they decided to give NATO a full week's advance notice to allow preparation of all possible defenses.

    Would NATO be able to protect its HQ? Based upon Ritter's remarks, I don't think so, but maybe some other military expert would have a different opinion.

    But if Ritter is correct and Russia can currently destroy any Western facility, no matter how well-defended, for merely a few million dollars worth of hypersonic missiles, I think Russia has gained a considerable degree of conventional military superiority.

    And assuming their hypersonics can similarly destroy our carriers, the cost-effectiveness ratio is probably something like 1000-to-1.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

  151. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I hate to disagree with you but the sum of 30 + 10 +10 is not less than 50, but equals 50.


    I also asked him about how useful his “Bravery 50” would be against a vastly superior Russian Air Force. He declined to answer.
     
    I would expect that those flying these planes would do as well as the rest of the armed services, greatly outnumbered - bravely and spectacularly.

    His precious Azov battalion as fallen and Zelensky has no forces capable of a counter offensive across the open ground in South Eastern Ukraine. That territory is permanently gone.
     
    The Azov battalion is still fighting bravely in bombed out Mariupol (another good reason that Ukraine needs planes), and was involved in heroically defending Kharkiv today against your precious Russian military.

    Sadly, he is a case of massive *copium* overwhelming common sense. I have been trying to force him to stop linguistic evasiveness and face the truth,
     
    It's a shame that you've decided to abandon the one that you've revered so much, Donald Trump, and now more than ever resemble more his antagonist Joe Biden, at least with respect to questions regarding the Ukrainian theater of war. This is the truth that you refuse to face and are infuriated that I'm willing to call you out on this one! And I'll continue to call you out on this one!!

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    They’ve got their water back on, they got the Azov Sea, they have the EEZ in Black Sea…probably got the bulk of the Ukie army in the Kramatorsk pocket…Kiev will just die on the vine now.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Reminder:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-crisis-in-ukraine-is-not-about-ukraine-its-about-germany/?showcomments#comment-5193865

    Wokechoke says:
    February 24, 2022 at 4:25 pm GMT • 1.1 months ago ↑
    @peterAUS

    Many airports have been seized. It’s already over.

    https://www.unz.com/article/us-foreign-policy-is-a-cruel-sport/#comment-5193887

    Wokechoke says:
    February 24, 2022 at 4:33 pm GMT • 1.1 months ago ↑
    @Corporal Punishment
    The current Leadership. They’ll flee. The Ukrainian state is disintegrating and evaporating. There’s too many Russians living in Ukraine already for a guerrilla war.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

  152. @A123
    @Ron Unz


    It’s entirely an engineering/physics/technical issue.
    ...
    Scott Ritter seems to have pretty good technical expertise
    ...
    Maybe he’s entirely mistaken, but I’m just deferring to his judgment unless/until someone of seemingly comparable credibility says otherwise.
     
    You position is understandable, but there is a catch... How does the media grant "seemingly comparable credibility"?

    -- Those who say "hypersonic" is unstoppable = audience
    -- Those who say "hypersonic" is useless = audience
    -- Those who say "hypersonic" is nuanced and merely incremental = near zero ratings

    It may not be an expression of intentional malice, but the "middle of the road" case is given short shrift. I am sure there are credible voices speaking to the ambiguity of hypersonic weaponry. What venue hosts ambiguity?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    It may not be an expression of intentional malice, but the “middle of the road” case is given short shrift. I am sure there are credible voices speaking to the ambiguity of hypersonic weaponry. What venue hosts ambiguity?

    Sure, but in keeping with my comment upthread, let’s avoid generalities and put the question in very concrete terms, using an example with potentially gigantic strategic impact.

    Suppose the Russians announced that they intended to destroy the NATO HQ tomorrow morning at 10am using a salvo of hypersonic missiles. Or maybe they decided to give NATO a full week’s advance notice to allow preparation of all possible defenses.

    Would NATO be able to protect its HQ? Based upon Ritter’s remarks, I don’t think so, but maybe some other military expert would have a different opinion.

    But if Ritter is correct and Russia can currently destroy any Western facility, no matter how well-defended, for merely a few million dollars worth of hypersonic missiles, I think Russia has gained a considerable degree of conventional military superiority.

    And assuming their hypersonics can similarly destroy our carriers, the cost-effectiveness ratio is probably something like 1000-to-1.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    Ukraine is going to implode in a civil war after this invasion. The factions there don’t get on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6b4ao8gAQ

    , @A123
    @Ron Unz


    assuming their hypersonics can similarly destroy our carriers, the cost-effectiveness ratio is probably something like 1000-to-1.
     
    If hypersonics can easily destroy carriers -- Why is China still building carriers that will not go to sea until after the U.S. has hypersonics?

    No side pursuing both hypersonic and carriers has discarded their carrier program. In fact no nation, with a strategic need for them, has abandoned carriers. That points out the likelihood that that hypersonics are not the unstoppable weapon that Ritter is personally cashing in on.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Commentator Mike

  153. @Ron Unz
    @A123


    It may not be an expression of intentional malice, but the “middle of the road” case is given short shrift. I am sure there are credible voices speaking to the ambiguity of hypersonic weaponry. What venue hosts ambiguity?
     
    Sure, but in keeping with my comment upthread, let's avoid generalities and put the question in very concrete terms, using an example with potentially gigantic strategic impact.

    Suppose the Russians announced that they intended to destroy the NATO HQ tomorrow morning at 10am using a salvo of hypersonic missiles. Or maybe they decided to give NATO a full week's advance notice to allow preparation of all possible defenses.

    Would NATO be able to protect its HQ? Based upon Ritter's remarks, I don't think so, but maybe some other military expert would have a different opinion.

    But if Ritter is correct and Russia can currently destroy any Western facility, no matter how well-defended, for merely a few million dollars worth of hypersonic missiles, I think Russia has gained a considerable degree of conventional military superiority.

    And assuming their hypersonics can similarly destroy our carriers, the cost-effectiveness ratio is probably something like 1000-to-1.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    Ukraine is going to implode in a civil war after this invasion. The factions there don’t get on.

    • LOL: AP
  154. @Dmitry
    @Beckow

    If the sanctions do not go and sanctions are (currently) very leaky, then what happens is that there is more "transaction cost".

    This will be the same with the consumer goods. Kadyrov will still import Maybachs, but they go from Germany to somewhere like Armenia, and then Armenia to Russia, and so you are probably right that countries like Armenia could profit with a transaction cost.

    All the luxury products will become more "high status", as the price increases. If Nike and Adidas really freeze in the long term, they will become more fashionable and high status, than they already are. When I was a child, you were already the cool kids in school, although in recent years there was a lot of brand deflation.

    In Soviet times, Levi jeans, were viewed like real luxury products, because of the ban on import.

    Although expensive European companies were already doing this in Russian market, simply by raising the price a lot. It's famous that all luxury products, whether Dior handbags, or just Miele dishwasher, cost a lot more in Russia, because the companies know the customers almost desire higher prices to limit "European prestige" to narrower circles.

    Japan luxury cars are also being restricted now (https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5282541) so probably Lexus imported via e.g. Armenia will attain increasingly prestigious perceptions with local bourgeoisie, other things equal.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Ukraine will probably implode into civil war, in which smuggling will be easy.

  155. AP says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    They’ve got their water back on, they got the Azov Sea, they have the EEZ in Black Sea…probably got the bulk of the Ukie army in the Kramatorsk pocket…Kiev will just die on the vine now.

    Replies: @AP

    Reminder:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-crisis-in-ukraine-is-not-about-ukraine-its-about-germany/?showcomments#comment-5193865

    Wokechoke says:
    February 24, 2022 at 4:25 pm GMT • 1.1 months ago ↑
    @peterAUS

    Many airports have been seized. It’s already over.

    https://www.unz.com/article/us-foreign-policy-is-a-cruel-sport/#comment-5193887

    Wokechoke says:
    February 24, 2022 at 4:33 pm GMT • 1.1 months ago ↑
    @Corporal Punishment
    The current Leadership. They’ll flee. The Ukrainian state is disintegrating and evaporating. There’s too many Russians living in Ukraine already for a guerrilla war.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    What of it?

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    4 million people ran…

    Replies: @AP

  156. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Reminder:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-crisis-in-ukraine-is-not-about-ukraine-its-about-germany/?showcomments#comment-5193865

    Wokechoke says:
    February 24, 2022 at 4:25 pm GMT • 1.1 months ago ↑
    @peterAUS

    Many airports have been seized. It’s already over.

    https://www.unz.com/article/us-foreign-policy-is-a-cruel-sport/#comment-5193887

    Wokechoke says:
    February 24, 2022 at 4:33 pm GMT • 1.1 months ago ↑
    @Corporal Punishment
    The current Leadership. They’ll flee. The Ukrainian state is disintegrating and evaporating. There’s too many Russians living in Ukraine already for a guerrilla war.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    What of it?

  157. A pity they didn’t let Zelensky speak at the Oscars.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  158. @A123
    @songbird


    is Will Smith gay? I hadn’t realized that he was supposed to be some super cuck.
     
    His wife *boinked* someone else while they were legally separated. That hardly scores as super cuck. Perhaps mildly so if he was not using the opportunity for his own *boink*.

    Much of the reputation is IMHO unfair. During his years as a rapper he offered up commercially interesting work about girls, cars, school, etc. Those using rap to espouse crime, drugs, and prostitution did not appreciate his lack of deviancy.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Heard 4-5 since Tupac (though they were just dating back then), but I can’t confirm. There’s definitely some strange language in an interview about Jada coming from a family with open relationships.

    Maybe, it would go against the theory that Jada is his beard, that she was his second wife? But I’ll put it aside. Some would say that they are just practicing African norms.

    I grew up with Will being heavily promoted. I won’t say that I ever considered him a role model, but I think he was given a lot, and I was disappointed that he broke his vow about using clean language. For one thing, the Bad Boyz movies (I only recall the second) were filled with cuss words and very degenerate.

  159. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Reminder:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-crisis-in-ukraine-is-not-about-ukraine-its-about-germany/?showcomments#comment-5193865

    Wokechoke says:
    February 24, 2022 at 4:25 pm GMT • 1.1 months ago ↑
    @peterAUS

    Many airports have been seized. It’s already over.

    https://www.unz.com/article/us-foreign-policy-is-a-cruel-sport/#comment-5193887

    Wokechoke says:
    February 24, 2022 at 4:33 pm GMT • 1.1 months ago ↑
    @Corporal Punishment
    The current Leadership. They’ll flee. The Ukrainian state is disintegrating and evaporating. There’s too many Russians living in Ukraine already for a guerrilla war.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    4 million people ran…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Yes, mostly women and children left, as they should. That’s not what you predicted though :-)

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  160. @Mr. Hack
    The real president Trump, very recently came out and inferred that Biden is acting cowardly and that the US should be sending more than just planes to Ukraine:

    https://youtu.be/X-c1Me0Kezg

    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?

    Replies: @LondonBob, @A123, @Radicalcenter, @Radicalcenter, @silviosilver

    How will posterity judge us 100 years from now for being so cowardly and sitting on the sidelines?

    As intelligent.

    (For once.)

  161. @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Storage levels in Europe, already at levels that indicate issues next winter, are rebuilt in the summer. Also industry requires natural gas supply to keep the factories working, again there are already issues here. That is before we get in to issues regarding production of diesel, fertiliser and the myriad of items that are by-products of the energy sector. You sound as clueless as the neocons when they frog marched us off the economic cliff.

    Replies: @sudden death

    You’re either not capable to grasp the very concept of rationing or have some strange illusions about EU being reliant 100% on RF natgas.

    All kinds of mentioned issues are inevitable and baked in as temporary rationing will be done both for industries and home consumers in order to make those mentioned problems more or less manageable through coming this and next year in case of RF natgas embargo.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Rationing is neither possible nor desirable, economic collapse would quickly materialise.

    Replies: @sudden death

  162. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    4 million people ran…

    Replies: @AP

    Yes, mostly women and children left, as they should. That’s not what you predicted though 🙂

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Selective. I called the northern front a FUSAG. Look up that term. First United States Army Group. A fake inflatable threat.

  163. @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    You're either not capable to grasp the very concept of rationing or have some strange illusions about EU being reliant 100% on RF natgas.

    All kinds of mentioned issues are inevitable and baked in as temporary rationing will be done both for industries and home consumers in order to make those mentioned problems more or less manageable through coming this and next year in case of RF natgas embargo.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Rationing is neither possible nor desirable, economic collapse would quickly materialise.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Rationing is just equivalent of fastening and result is not collapse, but leaning of a body. For some reasons you're trying to pretend that rationing is complete refusal to use food&water instead of reducing amount of lavish intake temporary.

    It has been already done in 1972-73 and the end of the world didn't come.

    Replies: @sudden death

  164. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Yes, mostly women and children left, as they should. That’s not what you predicted though :-)

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Selective. I called the northern front a FUSAG. Look up that term. First United States Army Group. A fake inflatable threat.

  165. @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    The Ukrainians have acted insane with Russia. They should have appeased the stronger state.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY9sWBho6EI&ab_channel=%D0
    %AD%D0%9A%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%A0%D0%95%D0%9D%D0%9D%D0%AB%D0%95%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%92%D0%9E%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%98

    Kadyrov saying there is no Ukrainian authority, they are merely puppets of the West.

  166. @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Rationing is neither possible nor desirable, economic collapse would quickly materialise.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Rationing is just equivalent of fastening and result is not collapse, but leaning of a body. For some reasons you’re trying to pretend that rationing is complete refusal to use food&water instead of reducing amount of lavish intake temporary.

    It has been already done in 1972-73 and the end of the world didn’t come.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    More on potential rationing variations:


    BERLIN/FRANKFURT, March 30 (Reuters) - Germany triggered an emergency plan to manage gas supplies on Wednesday that could see Europe's largest economy ration power if a standoff over a Russian demand to pay for fuel with roubles disrupts or halts supplies.

    Berlin's unprecedented move is the clearest sign yet that the European Union is preparing for Moscow to cut gas supplies unless it gets payment in roubles. Italy and Latvia have already activated warnings.

    German Economy Minister Robert Habeck implemented the "early warning phase" of an existing gas emergency plan, where a crisis team from the economics ministry, the regulator and the private sector will monitor imports and storage.

    Habeck told reporters Germany's gas supplies were guaranteed for now but urged consumers and companies to reduce consumption, saying that "every kilowatt hour counts".

    If supplies fall short, Germany's network regulator can ration gas, with industry first in line for cuts and preferential treatment for private households, hospitals and other critical institutions.

    Jean-François Carenco, head of the energy regulator in France, far less dependent on Russian gas than Germany, thanks to gas and liquefied natural gas sourced elsewhere and its reliance on nuclear power plants power generation, said the country should not encounter any supply issues.

    "Everything will be fine, the gas storage facilities are well filled, we'll make it through the winter," he told BFM TV.

    Greece was set to hold an emergency meeting of its energy regulator, gas transmission operator and its biggest gas and power suppliers on Wednesday to assess its supply security in case Russia stops supplies.

    The Dutch government said it would launch a campaign to get consumers to use less gas.
     

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-declares-early-warning-potential-gas-supply-disruptions-2022-03-30/
  167. @Ron Unz
    @A123


    It may not be an expression of intentional malice, but the “middle of the road” case is given short shrift. I am sure there are credible voices speaking to the ambiguity of hypersonic weaponry. What venue hosts ambiguity?
     
    Sure, but in keeping with my comment upthread, let's avoid generalities and put the question in very concrete terms, using an example with potentially gigantic strategic impact.

    Suppose the Russians announced that they intended to destroy the NATO HQ tomorrow morning at 10am using a salvo of hypersonic missiles. Or maybe they decided to give NATO a full week's advance notice to allow preparation of all possible defenses.

    Would NATO be able to protect its HQ? Based upon Ritter's remarks, I don't think so, but maybe some other military expert would have a different opinion.

    But if Ritter is correct and Russia can currently destroy any Western facility, no matter how well-defended, for merely a few million dollars worth of hypersonic missiles, I think Russia has gained a considerable degree of conventional military superiority.

    And assuming their hypersonics can similarly destroy our carriers, the cost-effectiveness ratio is probably something like 1000-to-1.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    assuming their hypersonics can similarly destroy our carriers, the cost-effectiveness ratio is probably something like 1000-to-1.

    If hypersonics can easily destroy carriers — Why is China still building carriers that will not go to sea until after the U.S. has hypersonics?

    No side pursuing both hypersonic and carriers has discarded their carrier program. In fact no nation, with a strategic need for them, has abandoned carriers. That points out the likelihood that that hypersonics are not the unstoppable weapon that Ritter is personally cashing in on.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    The carrier is still useful as a mobile airfield.

    , @Commentator Mike
    @A123

    There is no guarantee that the US will achieve hypersonics. After all they used Russia Soyuz to fly to the space station until recently and I doubt Russians will allow them to use their hypersonic missiles to load their load as they did with Soyuz. And presumably China does not plan a confrontation with Russia the hypersonic superpower.

  168. @A123
    @Ron Unz


    assuming their hypersonics can similarly destroy our carriers, the cost-effectiveness ratio is probably something like 1000-to-1.
     
    If hypersonics can easily destroy carriers -- Why is China still building carriers that will not go to sea until after the U.S. has hypersonics?

    No side pursuing both hypersonic and carriers has discarded their carrier program. In fact no nation, with a strategic need for them, has abandoned carriers. That points out the likelihood that that hypersonics are not the unstoppable weapon that Ritter is personally cashing in on.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Commentator Mike

    The carrier is still useful as a mobile airfield.

  169. @Thulean Friend
    This deadline is approaching - fast. Who will blink first?

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1508574942887137281

    Replies: @songbird, @Thulean Friend

    This deadline is approaching – fast. Who will blink first?

    I guess we have our answer.

    Russia won’t demand immediate switch to rouble gas payments, Kremlin says

    Russia will not immediately demand that buyers pay for its gas exports in roubles, the Kremlin said on Wednesday, promising a gradual shift and saying Russia should work on an idea to widen the list of its exports requiring rouble payment.

    Asked whether the payments should be in roubles starting from Thursday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: “Absolutely no.”
    “As we discussed before, payments and delivery is a time consuming process … This does not mean that a tomorrow’s delivery should be paid (in roubles). From a technological point of view, this is a more prolonged process,” he said.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • LOL: sudden death
  170. If you need a few laughs, read Pepe Escobar’s latest prognostication for Donbas’ future glory within a new Eurasian empire. Unfortunately, he doesn’t let his readers know that Russia is about to go bust. The ruble is worth about 1 us cent. I don’t think he’ll let my comment go (50/50) as he probably doesn’t want to have his illusions burst, so I’m reprinting it here:

    How Mariupol Will Become a Key Hub of Eurasia Integration” or “Parts of the factory complex are quite modern while some, decades old, are badly in need of upgrading, which Russian industry can certainly provide.”??

    Pepe, what have you been smoking lately? Don’t you realize that Azovstal, as the rest of bombed out Mariupol, has been totally devastated? With the ruble worth slightly more than 1 US cent, how and when is Putler going to rebuild this new Mecca? And the rest of you crackheads believe this wierd propaganda that Pepe is blurting out?
    Invaders have totally destroyed the Azovstal Iron and Steel Works which is part of the Metinvest Group based in Mariupol (Donetsk region).
    Mariupol deputy city mayor Serhii Orlov has told this to Forbes, Ukrainian News Agency reports.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    That rusty piece of 1930's industrial junk should be destroyed and rebuilt. Achmetov lacks insurance and will lose it. But the combination of energy, coal, metals and expertise in a great port will stay. Mariupol will be an industrial hub.

    You are missing the point of the article by Pepe: the economic activity that involves real stuff - making things and not just taking pictures of them - is moving to the Euro-Asian landmass. EU tried to be a part of it (Italy quite aggressively), but now they are out.

    The world economy will gradually split into two groups: Atlantic and Euro-Asian. They have strengths and weaknesses, but the cost advantage and resources are with the Euro-Asia. Finances are built on top of real economy, not vice-versa. So the money will also follow.

    The final switch of Russia to the Euro-Asian group has just happened. That will make it much harder for the Atlantic economies to dominate. That is what is going on and the smart people in the West know it, they see the catastrophic consequences of the realignment.

    As with bombing Dresden to dust in 1945 when it was clear that it would be in the Russian sphere, they are blowing things up in Ukraine on their way out. It won't make much difference in the long run. Losing Russia and its resources is not a good thing for the West - it may be the worst thing that has happened to the West in 50 years.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    , @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    Pepe, what have you been smoking lately? Don’t you realize that Azovstal, as the rest of bombed out Mariupol, has been totally devastated?
     
    Azovstal was used as a fortified redoubt by the Azov combatants. As such, it was blasted fairly thoroughly. Little can be done about that.

    Describing all of Mariupol as "bombed out" is over reach. Knowing that they were going to own the reconstruction key pieces of infrastructure, such as water supply, were avoided as much as possible. The key questions become:

    -- How much damage did the losing Azovs do before they were defeated?
    -- How much will locals blame the losers for the damage they caused?

    Success on these questions requires Russia to act quickly on beginning reconstruction. It is yet to be decided if they will Win The Peace. If Russia is seen as rescuing the people from the hated Azov, they have a good chance at desirable long term outcomes.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Re: https://www.unz.com/pescobar/how-mariupol-will-become-a-key-hub-of-eurasia-integration/

    Makes sense on the author's premise that Mariupol's development will include China.

    Keep in mind how Grozny and the rest of Chechnya has been rebuilt, noting its current relationship with Russia and detachment to Ukraine.

    Things can change relatively (in historical terms) quick. In time, more people might very well see Zelensky as the figurehead that unnecessarily led to more deaths than what could've otherwise occurred.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  171. Did Karlin said anything about how The Gathering of Russian Land is going since the war started?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @SIMP simp

    Just look at the photo that I included just above to get an accurate idea of how Karlin's Gathering of Russian Lands is going. :-(

  172. @SIMP simp
    Did Karlin said anything about how The Gathering of Russian Land is going since the war started?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Just look at the photo that I included just above to get an accurate idea of how Karlin’s Gathering of Russian Lands is going. 🙁

  173. @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    It’ll be like Falaise.

    Replies: @Aedib

    Or a mini Stalingrad.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    Mini Barricade Factory. The issue for the Ukrainians in that city is there’s no Volga River at their back to resupply from.

  174. @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    Or a mini Stalingrad.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Mini Barricade Factory. The issue for the Ukrainians in that city is there’s no Volga River at their back to resupply from.

  175. Russia, on the one hand, says the west is ‘non agreement capable’, and, on the other, negotiates with them and scales back operations.
    Russia is losing. Russia will lose.

    Putin and Medvedev just need to go on live TV and perform gay sex acts already.
    Its over, Russia is f*ing up.

    Slavs write brilliant but sh*y code. The dont finish things. They leave all kinds of bugs.

    They are up against the Anglos, who are evil as night, but who plan every contingency, track down every flaw and fix every bug.

    Execution is 90% of success and evil is executing better than the good.

    pathetic:

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-will-not-demand-immediate-switch-gas-payments-roubles-kremlin-2022-03-30/

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @nickels

    Maybe they execute in a different way. The West uses threats and is focused and self-serving. Russia lets the situation evolve to its benefit, they don't threaten, they let the punishment speak for itself. The timing is the least important part of any project or initiative. People in the West simply don't understand it, they live hurried lives and assume that it is always now or never. Not at all.

    I said a few days ago that Russia would obviously delay. They received a lame EU response "but contracts" that gave them all they needed. The contracts are ending - some later this year - and spot market has no contracts. Russia got the principle of eventually billing in rubles accepted - they will enforce it at the right time.

    The real question is whether EU can function without Russia's energy and other resources. To pay more for less means a drop in living standards no matter how Brussels spins it. In any commodity market the lowest-cost producer has the ultimate power. In this case it is Russia, they can always undercut the much more expensive alternatives like LNG. EU will end up paying in rubles.

    This is a process that takes time. Don't go for PR, pay attention to substance.

  176. @Mr. Hack
    If you need a few laughs, read Pepe Escobar's latest prognostication for Donbas' future glory within a new Eurasian empire. Unfortunately, he doesn't let his readers know that Russia is about to go bust. The ruble is worth about 1 us cent. I don't think he'll let my comment go (50/50) as he probably doesn't want to have his illusions burst, so I'm reprinting it here:

    How Mariupol Will Become a Key Hub of Eurasia Integration” or “Parts of the factory complex are quite modern while some, decades old, are badly in need of upgrading, which Russian industry can certainly provide.”??
     
    Pepe, what have you been smoking lately? Don’t you realize that Azovstal, as the rest of bombed out Mariupol, has been totally devastated? With the ruble worth slightly more than 1 US cent, how and when is Putler going to rebuild this new Mecca? And the rest of you crackheads believe this wierd propaganda that Pepe is blurting out?

    https://ukranews.com/upload/media/2021/05/28/60b0ab142190a-Azovstaly_Foto_1200x900.jpg
    Invaders have totally destroyed the Azovstal Iron and Steel Works which is part of the Metinvest Group based in Mariupol (Donetsk region).
    Mariupol deputy city mayor Serhii Orlov has told this to Forbes, Ukrainian News Agency reports.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikhail

    That rusty piece of 1930’s industrial junk should be destroyed and rebuilt. Achmetov lacks insurance and will lose it. But the combination of energy, coal, metals and expertise in a great port will stay. Mariupol will be an industrial hub.

    You are missing the point of the article by Pepe: the economic activity that involves real stuff – making things and not just taking pictures of them – is moving to the Euro-Asian landmass. EU tried to be a part of it (Italy quite aggressively), but now they are out.

    The world economy will gradually split into two groups: Atlantic and Euro-Asian. They have strengths and weaknesses, but the cost advantage and resources are with the Euro-Asia. Finances are built on top of real economy, not vice-versa. So the money will also follow.

    The final switch of Russia to the Euro-Asian group has just happened. That will make it much harder for the Atlantic economies to dominate. That is what is going on and the smart people in the West know it, they see the catastrophic consequences of the realignment.

    As with bombing Dresden to dust in 1945 when it was clear that it would be in the Russian sphere, they are blowing things up in Ukraine on their way out. It won’t make much difference in the long run. Losing Russia and its resources is not a good thing for the West – it may be the worst thing that has happened to the West in 50 years.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Beckow

    Much more monumental (indeed suicidal) would be the end of industrial export from China which some policy makers are calling for.

    Replies: @A123

  177. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    If you need a few laughs, read Pepe Escobar's latest prognostication for Donbas' future glory within a new Eurasian empire. Unfortunately, he doesn't let his readers know that Russia is about to go bust. The ruble is worth about 1 us cent. I don't think he'll let my comment go (50/50) as he probably doesn't want to have his illusions burst, so I'm reprinting it here:

    How Mariupol Will Become a Key Hub of Eurasia Integration” or “Parts of the factory complex are quite modern while some, decades old, are badly in need of upgrading, which Russian industry can certainly provide.”??
     
    Pepe, what have you been smoking lately? Don’t you realize that Azovstal, as the rest of bombed out Mariupol, has been totally devastated? With the ruble worth slightly more than 1 US cent, how and when is Putler going to rebuild this new Mecca? And the rest of you crackheads believe this wierd propaganda that Pepe is blurting out?

    https://ukranews.com/upload/media/2021/05/28/60b0ab142190a-Azovstaly_Foto_1200x900.jpg
    Invaders have totally destroyed the Azovstal Iron and Steel Works which is part of the Metinvest Group based in Mariupol (Donetsk region).
    Mariupol deputy city mayor Serhii Orlov has told this to Forbes, Ukrainian News Agency reports.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikhail

    Pepe, what have you been smoking lately? Don’t you realize that Azovstal, as the rest of bombed out Mariupol, has been totally devastated?

    Azovstal was used as a fortified redoubt by the Azov combatants. As such, it was blasted fairly thoroughly. Little can be done about that.

    Describing all of Mariupol as “bombed out” is over reach. Knowing that they were going to own the reconstruction key pieces of infrastructure, such as water supply, were avoided as much as possible. The key questions become:

    — How much damage did the losing Azovs do before they were defeated?
    — How much will locals blame the losers for the damage they caused?

    Success on these questions requires Russia to act quickly on beginning reconstruction. It is yet to be decided if they will Win The Peace. If Russia is seen as rescuing the people from the hated Azov, they have a good chance at desirable long term outcomes.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    It’s quite possible they have a kit factory ready to move in. The extended area north of Mariupol will be quickly turned into a redoubt of cement and steel. Brand new housing etc. Ships to build too.

    Replies: @A123

  178. @nickels
    Russia, on the one hand, says the west is 'non agreement capable', and, on the other, negotiates with them and scales back operations.
    Russia is losing. Russia will lose.

    Putin and Medvedev just need to go on live TV and perform gay sex acts already.
    Its over, Russia is f*ing up.

    Slavs write brilliant but sh*y code. The dont finish things. They leave all kinds of bugs.

    They are up against the Anglos, who are evil as night, but who plan every contingency, track down every flaw and fix every bug.

    Execution is 90% of success and evil is executing better than the good.

    pathetic:

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-will-not-demand-immediate-switch-gas-payments-roubles-kremlin-2022-03-30/

    Replies: @Beckow

    Maybe they execute in a different way. The West uses threats and is focused and self-serving. Russia lets the situation evolve to its benefit, they don’t threaten, they let the punishment speak for itself. The timing is the least important part of any project or initiative. People in the West simply don’t understand it, they live hurried lives and assume that it is always now or never. Not at all.

    I said a few days ago that Russia would obviously delay. They received a lame EU response “but contracts” that gave them all they needed. The contracts are ending – some later this year – and spot market has no contracts. Russia got the principle of eventually billing in rubles accepted – they will enforce it at the right time.

    The real question is whether EU can function without Russia’s energy and other resources. To pay more for less means a drop in living standards no matter how Brussels spins it. In any commodity market the lowest-cost producer has the ultimate power. In this case it is Russia, they can always undercut the much more expensive alternatives like LNG. EU will end up paying in rubles.

    This is a process that takes time. Don’t go for PR, pay attention to substance.

  179. It was pretty weird, when they chanted “gay” at the Oscars in opposition to DeSantis. (I did not watch, but saw the clip.)

    I suppose Hollywood has always been rotten at the top, but I wonder how outwardly different it would be, if there were morality clauses that were enforced.

  180. @A123
    @Ron Unz


    assuming their hypersonics can similarly destroy our carriers, the cost-effectiveness ratio is probably something like 1000-to-1.
     
    If hypersonics can easily destroy carriers -- Why is China still building carriers that will not go to sea until after the U.S. has hypersonics?

    No side pursuing both hypersonic and carriers has discarded their carrier program. In fact no nation, with a strategic need for them, has abandoned carriers. That points out the likelihood that that hypersonics are not the unstoppable weapon that Ritter is personally cashing in on.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Commentator Mike

    There is no guarantee that the US will achieve hypersonics. After all they used Russia Soyuz to fly to the space station until recently and I doubt Russians will allow them to use their hypersonic missiles to load their load as they did with Soyuz. And presumably China does not plan a confrontation with Russia the hypersonic superpower.

  181. A123 says: • Website

    There is no guarantee that the US will achieve hypersonics.

    The U.S. is already well on its way to hypersonics.

    After all they used Russia Soyuz to fly to the space station until recently

    Using obsolete Russian and technology to fly to an obsolete space station… That is a cost efficient option to squeeze the final bits of potential gain out of a terminating program.

    PEACE 😇

  182. @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    Pepe, what have you been smoking lately? Don’t you realize that Azovstal, as the rest of bombed out Mariupol, has been totally devastated?
     
    Azovstal was used as a fortified redoubt by the Azov combatants. As such, it was blasted fairly thoroughly. Little can be done about that.

    Describing all of Mariupol as "bombed out" is over reach. Knowing that they were going to own the reconstruction key pieces of infrastructure, such as water supply, were avoided as much as possible. The key questions become:

    -- How much damage did the losing Azovs do before they were defeated?
    -- How much will locals blame the losers for the damage they caused?

    Success on these questions requires Russia to act quickly on beginning reconstruction. It is yet to be decided if they will Win The Peace. If Russia is seen as rescuing the people from the hated Azov, they have a good chance at desirable long term outcomes.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s quite possible they have a kit factory ready to move in. The extended area north of Mariupol will be quickly turned into a redoubt of cement and steel. Brand new housing etc. Ships to build too.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    It’s quite possible they have a kit factory ready to move in. The extended area north of Mariupol will be quickly turned into a redoubt of cement and steel.
     
    This seems overly optimistic.

    Quickly restoring food, water, sewer, and electricity to the bulk of the city are the top priorities. Industrial development with the associated jobs is likely to wait until later.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  183. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke
    @A123

    It’s quite possible they have a kit factory ready to move in. The extended area north of Mariupol will be quickly turned into a redoubt of cement and steel. Brand new housing etc. Ships to build too.

    Replies: @A123

    It’s quite possible they have a kit factory ready to move in. The extended area north of Mariupol will be quickly turned into a redoubt of cement and steel.

    This seems overly optimistic.

    Quickly restoring food, water, sewer, and electricity to the bulk of the city are the top priorities. Industrial development with the associated jobs is likely to wait until later.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    They will be looking to refortify the area to the north with earthworks and bunkers.

  184. Basurin confirms previous estimations of 10K Ukrainian loses in Mariupol (5K KIA + 5K WIA). Around 4K still trying to fight plus some ones filtered through the perimeter.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    I estimated around 15,000. Three weak divisions or three strong brigades. Something like the loss of three Roman Legions.

    , @china-russia-all-the-way
    @Aedib

    66% casualty rate? That is scary tenacity.

    Is it even believable?

    Replies: @Aedib

    , @A123
    @Aedib

    "Before the encirclement was completed" is a curiously specific phrase. It sounds like something coming from a speech writer in service to the European Elites of Davos.

    What happened (and what were the numbers) "prior to encirclement"?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  185. @Mr. Hack
    If you need a few laughs, read Pepe Escobar's latest prognostication for Donbas' future glory within a new Eurasian empire. Unfortunately, he doesn't let his readers know that Russia is about to go bust. The ruble is worth about 1 us cent. I don't think he'll let my comment go (50/50) as he probably doesn't want to have his illusions burst, so I'm reprinting it here:

    How Mariupol Will Become a Key Hub of Eurasia Integration” or “Parts of the factory complex are quite modern while some, decades old, are badly in need of upgrading, which Russian industry can certainly provide.”??
     
    Pepe, what have you been smoking lately? Don’t you realize that Azovstal, as the rest of bombed out Mariupol, has been totally devastated? With the ruble worth slightly more than 1 US cent, how and when is Putler going to rebuild this new Mecca? And the rest of you crackheads believe this wierd propaganda that Pepe is blurting out?

    https://ukranews.com/upload/media/2021/05/28/60b0ab142190a-Azovstaly_Foto_1200x900.jpg
    Invaders have totally destroyed the Azovstal Iron and Steel Works which is part of the Metinvest Group based in Mariupol (Donetsk region).
    Mariupol deputy city mayor Serhii Orlov has told this to Forbes, Ukrainian News Agency reports.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikhail

    Re: https://www.unz.com/pescobar/how-mariupol-will-become-a-key-hub-of-eurasia-integration/

    Makes sense on the author’s premise that Mariupol’s development will include China.

    Keep in mind how Grozny and the rest of Chechnya has been rebuilt, noting its current relationship with Russia and detachment to Ukraine.

    Things can change relatively (in historical terms) quick. In time, more people might very well see Zelensky as the figurehead that unnecessarily led to more deaths than what could’ve otherwise occurred.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mikhail

    He will get the blame for if from his subordinates.

  186. @Aedib
    Basurin confirms previous estimations of 10K Ukrainian loses in Mariupol (5K KIA + 5K WIA). Around 4K still trying to fight plus some ones filtered through the perimeter.

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1509224394635288577

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @china-russia-all-the-way, @A123

    I estimated around 15,000. Three weak divisions or three strong brigades. Something like the loss of three Roman Legions.

  187. @A123
    @Wokechoke


    It’s quite possible they have a kit factory ready to move in. The extended area north of Mariupol will be quickly turned into a redoubt of cement and steel.
     
    This seems overly optimistic.

    Quickly restoring food, water, sewer, and electricity to the bulk of the city are the top priorities. Industrial development with the associated jobs is likely to wait until later.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    They will be looking to refortify the area to the north with earthworks and bunkers.

  188. If Biden were an actor, I suppose that he would have had to retire years ago, like Bruce Willis is now doing at age 67, due to aphasia.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @songbird

    That's an unfair comparison. An actor cannot possibly do his job if he is unable to express his thoughts properly. A US President of the Democratic Party, on the other hand, is not constrained by such limitations.

  189. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Re: https://www.unz.com/pescobar/how-mariupol-will-become-a-key-hub-of-eurasia-integration/

    Makes sense on the author's premise that Mariupol's development will include China.

    Keep in mind how Grozny and the rest of Chechnya has been rebuilt, noting its current relationship with Russia and detachment to Ukraine.

    Things can change relatively (in historical terms) quick. In time, more people might very well see Zelensky as the figurehead that unnecessarily led to more deaths than what could've otherwise occurred.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    He will get the blame for if from his subordinates.

  190. Something weird is happening with the negotiations. Russia is saying that Ukraine agreed to give up Donetsk and Lugansk permanently, while Ukraine is stridently saying that they didn’t.

    I can’t make sense of it, unless Russia is actually agreeing to move back to the pre-war border, to which Ukraine have also given some sort of agreement, but Russia wants to spin it as their always aim.

    I suppose it is quite clever. Russia is reducing the definitions for its original war aims in order that they can declare “victory” domestically. No one outside of Russia, but completely braindead idiots, will buy it, but it isn’t so bad.

    I also can’t see how Putin stays very long in such a scenario, but his regime will probably maintain enough legitimacy.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine can be rebuilt with Russian currency reserves as reparations, a revitalised sense of national purpose and a fast track into the EU trading bloc. Russia will never be able to threaten Ukraine again, but perhaps Russia could end up following them into a better Europe.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Something weird is happening with your logic.

    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol - the main city in Donbas that Kiev controlled until the war. Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?

    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine. That has been accomplished and all they need to do is formalize it.

    Number two aim was for Donbas to be secured in its full borders. It is almost done.

    Number three was "de-nazification": the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls "Ukie Nazism" (I think it is more complicated, but whatever.) They can regroup, but given the experience last month and in Mariupol the recruitment could be difficult.

    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts. The economy didn't collapse, the ruble is up, China and others have stood with Russia so far...EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia's energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are 'frozen', not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia's debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev - and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports...

    Russia is so far prevailing on points. Your scoring is weirdly selective and inconsistent.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death, @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    In any case the nuclear annihilation of the American Empire and its vassals will come before Putin's ouster. We are all living in Putin's head, like it or not.



    https://39669.cdn.cke-cs.com/cgyAlfpLFBBiEjoXacnz/images/1a94f350886bfe04338c7e6b1e24778a536b9193f9480d89.jpeg/w_1120

    , @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Once the Ukrainian army cracks completely in the southeast there will be a revolt against Zelenskyy in Kiev. Like in the Falaise pocket someone like Kleist/Rundstedt/Rommel will take a crack at the charlatan, probably narrowly missing, at least to let Zelenskyy fly away. He will phone up Moscow to say it’s over with to avoid responsibility for the peace treaty.

    , @Mikhail
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Given what has gone in, the settlement proposal in this piece seems reasonably premised:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/11032022-what-russia-desires-oped/

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    , @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Certainly Russia is looking for the way out. They miscalculated royally. They really thought that 'Zelensky regime' would collapse in 48 hours and EU and NATO and Germany, in particular, would have no time to raise real objections and would accept the fait accompli of annexation and the business between Germany and EU would continue as before. The miscalculation apart from the systemic deficiency of authoritarian and corrupt Putin regime comes from their arrogance and most importantly the utter contempt for Ukrainians as people. It may be called hubris. Certainly Germany was on board with Putin designs as it refused to provide arms to Ukraine two or so days before the invasion saying that it would be the waste of money as Ukraine would collapse within hours.

    It was the deep state of the UK and the US that had foresight to train Ukrainian army and began supplying it with weapons several months before the Russian invasion. This is very reassuring that in the background and below the ground there are real adults who are doing the right thing unperturbed by the theatrics of silly politicians and shallow media in the foreground. That Putin and his clique did ignore what was really happening shows that they just like the general public take for reality what is in the media. This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death, @German_reader

  191. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    That rusty piece of 1930's industrial junk should be destroyed and rebuilt. Achmetov lacks insurance and will lose it. But the combination of energy, coal, metals and expertise in a great port will stay. Mariupol will be an industrial hub.

    You are missing the point of the article by Pepe: the economic activity that involves real stuff - making things and not just taking pictures of them - is moving to the Euro-Asian landmass. EU tried to be a part of it (Italy quite aggressively), but now they are out.

    The world economy will gradually split into two groups: Atlantic and Euro-Asian. They have strengths and weaknesses, but the cost advantage and resources are with the Euro-Asia. Finances are built on top of real economy, not vice-versa. So the money will also follow.

    The final switch of Russia to the Euro-Asian group has just happened. That will make it much harder for the Atlantic economies to dominate. That is what is going on and the smart people in the West know it, they see the catastrophic consequences of the realignment.

    As with bombing Dresden to dust in 1945 when it was clear that it would be in the Russian sphere, they are blowing things up in Ukraine on their way out. It won't make much difference in the long run. Losing Russia and its resources is not a good thing for the West - it may be the worst thing that has happened to the West in 50 years.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Much more monumental (indeed suicidal) would be the end of industrial export from China which some policy makers are calling for.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    Much more monumental (indeed suicidal) would be the end of industrial export from China which some policy makers are calling for.
     
    Indeed, PRC policy makers need to stop pushing for your proposed strategy of "sudden decoupling". Your desired outcome will lead to unpredictable shortages across the global economy. Why is your CCP pushing for their own suicide? A "sudden decoupling" will deprive the U.S. of knick-nacks that have substitutes, while China is left short of food calories.

    The MAGA policy for gradual decoupling is much better for American Workers. And, the MAGA plan is simultaneously better for Chinese workers. Gradual decoupling is a WIN-WIN. Again, why does your CCP keep pushing towards the bad option?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  192. @Triteleia Laxa
    Something weird is happening with the negotiations. Russia is saying that Ukraine agreed to give up Donetsk and Lugansk permanently, while Ukraine is stridently saying that they didn't.

    I can't make sense of it, unless Russia is actually agreeing to move back to the pre-war border, to which Ukraine have also given some sort of agreement, but Russia wants to spin it as their always aim.

    I suppose it is quite clever. Russia is reducing the definitions for its original war aims in order that they can declare "victory" domestically. No one outside of Russia, but completely braindead idiots, will buy it, but it isn't so bad.

    I also can't see how Putin stays very long in such a scenario, but his regime will probably maintain enough legitimacy.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine can be rebuilt with Russian currency reserves as reparations, a revitalised sense of national purpose and a fast track into the EU trading bloc. Russia will never be able to threaten Ukraine again, but perhaps Russia could end up following them into a better Europe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @utu

    Something weird is happening with your logic.

    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol – the main city in Donbas that Kiev controlled until the war. Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?

    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine. That has been accomplished and all they need to do is formalize it.

    Number two aim was for Donbas to be secured in its full borders. It is almost done.

    Number three was “de-nazification”: the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls “Ukie Nazism” (I think it is more complicated, but whatever.) They can regroup, but given the experience last month and in Mariupol the recruitment could be difficult.

    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts. The economy didn’t collapse, the ruble is up, China and others have stood with Russia so far…EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia’s energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are ‘frozen’, not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia’s debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev – and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports…

    Russia is so far prevailing on points. Your scoring is weirdly selective and inconsistent.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    She’s a fucking nutcase.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @sudden death
    @Beckow


    Russia is so far prevailing on points
     
    While having prior fight all their own money bets done on knockout at first blow, lol
    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    This will likely be my last post for a while on this subject. With Ukraine currently recapturing territory, even someone as dense as you will surely have to realise that you were always wrong. Let's see if you can progress past "shock & disbelief" by the end of next week?

    I sadly suspect not. Instead, you will remain collapsed into your own personal shadow land of resentment and projection. Here's a tip: before you ask me anything, first ask yourself that thing. That way you might find a way out.

    Anyway, to address your points in the most optimistic way I can for Russia:


    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol
     
    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there. Probably about the number they stand up every few days.

    D- for Russia.


    Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?
     
    How long does Russia want their full army deployed there to hold it? And while sanctioned?

    F for Russia.


    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine.
     
    NATO wasn't in Ukraine but now they are. And Ukraine will be a de facto member of NATO when this war is over. Even if not formally in it.

    F for Russia.


    Number three was “de-nazification”: the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls “Ukie Nazism”
     
    Azov has likely never had so many members, nor so much combat experience nor so much credibility.

    F for Russia.


    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts.
     
    If this is true, and remains true, f*cking massive F for Russians.

    The economy didn’t collapse, the ruble is up
     
    Sanctions are meant to take about 3 months to bite. It has been just over one month. Meanwhile, Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of its most intelligent young people, which will doom their hopes of an O-ring economy.

    F for Russia, unless they make a peace that can end sanctions in the next two months. But their talent may never come back.


    China and others have stood with Russia so far
     
    Russia's best friends literally did nothing for Russia. That is sad.

    F for Russia.


    EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia’s energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are ‘frozen’, not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia’s debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev – and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports…
     
    Bizarre and laughable cope. Too pitiful to address.

    F for you and Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  193. @Triteleia Laxa
    Something weird is happening with the negotiations. Russia is saying that Ukraine agreed to give up Donetsk and Lugansk permanently, while Ukraine is stridently saying that they didn't.

    I can't make sense of it, unless Russia is actually agreeing to move back to the pre-war border, to which Ukraine have also given some sort of agreement, but Russia wants to spin it as their always aim.

    I suppose it is quite clever. Russia is reducing the definitions for its original war aims in order that they can declare "victory" domestically. No one outside of Russia, but completely braindead idiots, will buy it, but it isn't so bad.

    I also can't see how Putin stays very long in such a scenario, but his regime will probably maintain enough legitimacy.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine can be rebuilt with Russian currency reserves as reparations, a revitalised sense of national purpose and a fast track into the EU trading bloc. Russia will never be able to threaten Ukraine again, but perhaps Russia could end up following them into a better Europe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @utu

    In any case the nuclear annihilation of the American Empire and its vassals will come before Putin’s ouster. We are all living in Putin’s head, like it or not.

  194. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Something weird is happening with your logic.

    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol - the main city in Donbas that Kiev controlled until the war. Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?

    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine. That has been accomplished and all they need to do is formalize it.

    Number two aim was for Donbas to be secured in its full borders. It is almost done.

    Number three was "de-nazification": the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls "Ukie Nazism" (I think it is more complicated, but whatever.) They can regroup, but given the experience last month and in Mariupol the recruitment could be difficult.

    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts. The economy didn't collapse, the ruble is up, China and others have stood with Russia so far...EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia's energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are 'frozen', not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia's debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev - and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports...

    Russia is so far prevailing on points. Your scoring is weirdly selective and inconsistent.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death, @Triteleia Laxa

    She’s a fucking nutcase.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wokechoke

    Laxa gives us an insight into how many fire-eaters in the West think. It is a combination of wishful-thinking, hatreds towards Russia, and a self-administered PR - they repeat it so much that it becomes who they are.

    They will never accept a loss, they can't. They will lie, disappear or even try to bring the world down - but they can't accept that their dream has failed.

  195. @Triteleia Laxa
    Something weird is happening with the negotiations. Russia is saying that Ukraine agreed to give up Donetsk and Lugansk permanently, while Ukraine is stridently saying that they didn't.

    I can't make sense of it, unless Russia is actually agreeing to move back to the pre-war border, to which Ukraine have also given some sort of agreement, but Russia wants to spin it as their always aim.

    I suppose it is quite clever. Russia is reducing the definitions for its original war aims in order that they can declare "victory" domestically. No one outside of Russia, but completely braindead idiots, will buy it, but it isn't so bad.

    I also can't see how Putin stays very long in such a scenario, but his regime will probably maintain enough legitimacy.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine can be rebuilt with Russian currency reserves as reparations, a revitalised sense of national purpose and a fast track into the EU trading bloc. Russia will never be able to threaten Ukraine again, but perhaps Russia could end up following them into a better Europe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @utu

    Once the Ukrainian army cracks completely in the southeast there will be a revolt against Zelenskyy in Kiev. Like in the Falaise pocket someone like Kleist/Rundstedt/Rommel will take a crack at the charlatan, probably narrowly missing, at least to let Zelenskyy fly away. He will phone up Moscow to say it’s over with to avoid responsibility for the peace treaty.

  196. @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Rationing is just equivalent of fastening and result is not collapse, but leaning of a body. For some reasons you're trying to pretend that rationing is complete refusal to use food&water instead of reducing amount of lavish intake temporary.

    It has been already done in 1972-73 and the end of the world didn't come.

    Replies: @sudden death

    More on potential rationing variations:

    BERLIN/FRANKFURT, March 30 (Reuters) – Germany triggered an emergency plan to manage gas supplies on Wednesday that could see Europe’s largest economy ration power if a standoff over a Russian demand to pay for fuel with roubles disrupts or halts supplies.

    Berlin’s unprecedented move is the clearest sign yet that the European Union is preparing for Moscow to cut gas supplies unless it gets payment in roubles. Italy and Latvia have already activated warnings.

    German Economy Minister Robert Habeck implemented the “early warning phase” of an existing gas emergency plan, where a crisis team from the economics ministry, the regulator and the private sector will monitor imports and storage.

    Habeck told reporters Germany’s gas supplies were guaranteed for now but urged consumers and companies to reduce consumption, saying that “every kilowatt hour counts”.

    If supplies fall short, Germany’s network regulator can ration gas, with industry first in line for cuts and preferential treatment for private households, hospitals and other critical institutions.

    Jean-François Carenco, head of the energy regulator in France, far less dependent on Russian gas than Germany, thanks to gas and liquefied natural gas sourced elsewhere and its reliance on nuclear power plants power generation, said the country should not encounter any supply issues.

    “Everything will be fine, the gas storage facilities are well filled, we’ll make it through the winter,” he told BFM TV.

    Greece was set to hold an emergency meeting of its energy regulator, gas transmission operator and its biggest gas and power suppliers on Wednesday to assess its supply security in case Russia stops supplies.

    The Dutch government said it would launch a campaign to get consumers to use less gas.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-declares-early-warning-potential-gas-supply-disruptions-2022-03-30/

  197. @Triteleia Laxa
    Something weird is happening with the negotiations. Russia is saying that Ukraine agreed to give up Donetsk and Lugansk permanently, while Ukraine is stridently saying that they didn't.

    I can't make sense of it, unless Russia is actually agreeing to move back to the pre-war border, to which Ukraine have also given some sort of agreement, but Russia wants to spin it as their always aim.

    I suppose it is quite clever. Russia is reducing the definitions for its original war aims in order that they can declare "victory" domestically. No one outside of Russia, but completely braindead idiots, will buy it, but it isn't so bad.

    I also can't see how Putin stays very long in such a scenario, but his regime will probably maintain enough legitimacy.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine can be rebuilt with Russian currency reserves as reparations, a revitalised sense of national purpose and a fast track into the EU trading bloc. Russia will never be able to threaten Ukraine again, but perhaps Russia could end up following them into a better Europe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @utu

    Given what has gone in, the settlement proposal in this piece seems reasonably premised:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/11032022-what-russia-desires-oped/

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikhail

    Putin wins small by getting these concessions from Ukraine and NATO, or wins big by reaching for the Cheget. No one wants the 2nd one and this means 1st is somewhat certain.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  198. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon
    @Beckow

    Much more monumental (indeed suicidal) would be the end of industrial export from China which some policy makers are calling for.

    Replies: @A123

    Much more monumental (indeed suicidal) would be the end of industrial export from China which some policy makers are calling for.

    Indeed, PRC policy makers need to stop pushing for your proposed strategy of “sudden decoupling”. Your desired outcome will lead to unpredictable shortages across the global economy. Why is your CCP pushing for their own suicide? A “sudden decoupling” will deprive the U.S. of knick-nacks that have substitutes, while China is left short of food calories.

    The MAGA policy for gradual decoupling is much better for American Workers. And, the MAGA plan is simultaneously better for Chinese workers. Gradual decoupling is a WIN-WIN. Again, why does your CCP keep pushing towards the bad option?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    Bad bot always screeching over any suggestion of China being antagonized.

    Replies: @A123

  199. @Triteleia Laxa
    Something weird is happening with the negotiations. Russia is saying that Ukraine agreed to give up Donetsk and Lugansk permanently, while Ukraine is stridently saying that they didn't.

    I can't make sense of it, unless Russia is actually agreeing to move back to the pre-war border, to which Ukraine have also given some sort of agreement, but Russia wants to spin it as their always aim.

    I suppose it is quite clever. Russia is reducing the definitions for its original war aims in order that they can declare "victory" domestically. No one outside of Russia, but completely braindead idiots, will buy it, but it isn't so bad.

    I also can't see how Putin stays very long in such a scenario, but his regime will probably maintain enough legitimacy.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine can be rebuilt with Russian currency reserves as reparations, a revitalised sense of national purpose and a fast track into the EU trading bloc. Russia will never be able to threaten Ukraine again, but perhaps Russia could end up following them into a better Europe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @utu

    Certainly Russia is looking for the way out. They miscalculated royally. They really thought that ‘Zelensky regime’ would collapse in 48 hours and EU and NATO and Germany, in particular, would have no time to raise real objections and would accept the fait accompli of annexation and the business between Germany and EU would continue as before. The miscalculation apart from the systemic deficiency of authoritarian and corrupt Putin regime comes from their arrogance and most importantly the utter contempt for Ukrainians as people. It may be called hubris. Certainly Germany was on board with Putin designs as it refused to provide arms to Ukraine two or so days before the invasion saying that it would be the waste of money as Ukraine would collapse within hours.

    It was the deep state of the UK and the US that had foresight to train Ukrainian army and began supplying it with weapons several months before the Russian invasion. This is very reassuring that in the background and below the ground there are real adults who are doing the right thing unperturbed by the theatrics of silly politicians and shallow media in the foreground. That Putin and his clique did ignore what was really happening shows that they just like the general public take for reality what is in the media. This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @utu

    The Russians are fighting a version of the Parachute Regiment and the Royal Marine Commando given the weaponry and doctrine. It’s both reassuring and alarming. It’s Literally why the Russians had to strike now. If they gave the advisors another year they might have been unable to cross the borders. Especially if the RAF and USAF started to train.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @sudden death
    @utu


    This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.
     
    btw, there is an existing subset of RF maximalist nationalist landgrabber hardliners, who are so beyond disgust with all the Putin action since Ukraine first 2004 Maidan at least, that they developed a theory of Putin really being just crypto-Western deep state agent, having and executing long term strategic goal to crush RF from within. They are sure all those blunders, corruption and hubris are all nothing but just beforehand calculated parts of the plan, lol

    Viewing things with this type of mindframe, it could be also said that Hitler really was also just crypto Anglo-Saxon deep state agent hell bent to completely destruct and annihilate traditional conservative united nationalistic Germany, which was created in 1871 ;)

    , @German_reader
    @utu


    This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.
     
    You're really the ultimate authoritarian normie. Can't be long before you demand that right-wingers (real ones, not the fake centrist whores) should be locked away, because they're all "Russian assets" anyway. iirc you've already demanded in the past anyway that Jared Taylor and other racists and "IQists" should be sent to prison, so such solutions come easily to you.
    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia's actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it's selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.

    Replies: @utu, @silviosilver, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

  200. @Mikhail
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Given what has gone in, the settlement proposal in this piece seems reasonably premised:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/11032022-what-russia-desires-oped/

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Putin wins small by getting these concessions from Ukraine and NATO, or wins big by reaching for the Cheget. No one wants the 2nd one and this means 1st is somewhat certain.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Yellowface Anon

    Hopefully, his negotiators won't blow it. The "guarantors" should include the likes of China, Turkey and India, to offset the slants prevalent among the elites in Canada, Poland and the US.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  201. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Aedib
    Basurin confirms previous estimations of 10K Ukrainian loses in Mariupol (5K KIA + 5K WIA). Around 4K still trying to fight plus some ones filtered through the perimeter.

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1509224394635288577

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @china-russia-all-the-way, @A123

    66% casualty rate? That is scary tenacity.

    Is it even believable?

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I don't know. But I read the same figures in another site.

  202. @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    She’s a fucking nutcase.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Laxa gives us an insight into how many fire-eaters in the West think. It is a combination of wishful-thinking, hatreds towards Russia, and a self-administered PR – they repeat it so much that it becomes who they are.

    They will never accept a loss, they can’t. They will lie, disappear or even try to bring the world down – but they can’t accept that their dream has failed.

    • Agree: Aedib, Mikhail
  203. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @Aedib

    66% casualty rate? That is scary tenacity.

    Is it even believable?

    Replies: @Aedib

    I don’t know. But I read the same figures in another site.

  204. @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Certainly Russia is looking for the way out. They miscalculated royally. They really thought that 'Zelensky regime' would collapse in 48 hours and EU and NATO and Germany, in particular, would have no time to raise real objections and would accept the fait accompli of annexation and the business between Germany and EU would continue as before. The miscalculation apart from the systemic deficiency of authoritarian and corrupt Putin regime comes from their arrogance and most importantly the utter contempt for Ukrainians as people. It may be called hubris. Certainly Germany was on board with Putin designs as it refused to provide arms to Ukraine two or so days before the invasion saying that it would be the waste of money as Ukraine would collapse within hours.

    It was the deep state of the UK and the US that had foresight to train Ukrainian army and began supplying it with weapons several months before the Russian invasion. This is very reassuring that in the background and below the ground there are real adults who are doing the right thing unperturbed by the theatrics of silly politicians and shallow media in the foreground. That Putin and his clique did ignore what was really happening shows that they just like the general public take for reality what is in the media. This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death, @German_reader

    The Russians are fighting a version of the Parachute Regiment and the Royal Marine Commando given the weaponry and doctrine. It’s both reassuring and alarming. It’s Literally why the Russians had to strike now. If they gave the advisors another year they might have been unable to cross the borders. Especially if the RAF and USAF started to train.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Wokechoke

    I think it's kind of crazy to compare these disorganized, asset-stripped postsoviet militaries, with the professional British army.

    You can look at videos in the Falklands War (1982) and see how professional, well equipped, organized British soldiers (also calm in their incompetent disasters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo0BNYGgEV4.), compared to postsoviet militaries, with mix match equipment, semi-trained soldiers, improvised logistics, air force with civilian avionic equipment inside the planes, etc.


    gave the advisors another year they might have been unable
     
    I read there were 100 SAS (Special Air Service),helping units in Ukraine for a few weeks. According to reports it was to train them to use NLAW.

    Many of the forces in Ukraine will be not very trained though and Territorial Defense Forces are mainly untrained volunteers.

    If there will be months of fighting, even untrained volunteers, however, can surely become increasingly effective, in a kind of evolutionary way (unsuccessful units are destroyed, volunteers develop experience from real life).


    unable to cross the borders. Especially if the RAF and USAF started to train.
     
    RAF would have destroyed invading columns in the first hours with Brimstone missiles from Eurofighter Typhoons, with their targeting pod that can find moving tanks. https://www.eurofighter.com/the-aircraft

    But RAF is advanced, is because Great Britain is a wealthy hi-tech country, with money for training its pilots, advanced equipment, centuries of military training. Even RAF pilots have around 200 hours of training in air per year. (Almost double training hours of Russian air force pilots). It's because RAF has much more money available.

    There is no possibility Ukraine could become like this, as Ukraine is a postsoviet country without much money available for a modern air force.

    One of the "hi-tech" equipments of Ukraine, is using DJI phantoms to throw an improvised version of RKG-1600 against parked vehicles at night.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  205. @Aedib
    Basurin confirms previous estimations of 10K Ukrainian loses in Mariupol (5K KIA + 5K WIA). Around 4K still trying to fight plus some ones filtered through the perimeter.

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1509224394635288577

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @china-russia-all-the-way, @A123

    “Before the encirclement was completed” is a curiously specific phrase. It sounds like something coming from a speech writer in service to the European Elites of Davos.

    What happened (and what were the numbers) “prior to encirclement”?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    There were three Brigades, one Marine, one territorial and the other a Regular. That’s a minimum of 15,000. I suspect there were more.

    Replies: @Aedib

  206. @A123
    @Aedib

    "Before the encirclement was completed" is a curiously specific phrase. It sounds like something coming from a speech writer in service to the European Elites of Davos.

    What happened (and what were the numbers) "prior to encirclement"?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    There were three Brigades, one Marine, one territorial and the other a Regular. That’s a minimum of 15,000. I suspect there were more.

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    AFAIK:
    14500 in Mariupol
    59300 in Western-Donbass cauldron (not yet closed but with Ukr forces unable to retreat).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

  207. @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikhail

    Putin wins small by getting these concessions from Ukraine and NATO, or wins big by reaching for the Cheget. No one wants the 2nd one and this means 1st is somewhat certain.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Hopefully, his negotiators won’t blow it. The “guarantors” should include the likes of China, Turkey and India, to offset the slants prevalent among the elites in Canada, Poland and the US.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikhail

    Would be face-saving for the West, because Turkey is in NATO and India is at least cordial to the US.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  208. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    Much more monumental (indeed suicidal) would be the end of industrial export from China which some policy makers are calling for.
     
    Indeed, PRC policy makers need to stop pushing for your proposed strategy of "sudden decoupling". Your desired outcome will lead to unpredictable shortages across the global economy. Why is your CCP pushing for their own suicide? A "sudden decoupling" will deprive the U.S. of knick-nacks that have substitutes, while China is left short of food calories.

    The MAGA policy for gradual decoupling is much better for American Workers. And, the MAGA plan is simultaneously better for Chinese workers. Gradual decoupling is a WIN-WIN. Again, why does your CCP keep pushing towards the bad option?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Bad bot always screeching over any suggestion of China being antagonized.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    If you do not want to sound like a bad bot... That is 100% under your control.

    Simply stop screeching about your desired "sudden decoupling" scenario. The only one pitching that bit of craziness is you.

    PEACE 😇

  209. @Mikhail
    @Yellowface Anon

    Hopefully, his negotiators won't blow it. The "guarantors" should include the likes of China, Turkey and India, to offset the slants prevalent among the elites in Canada, Poland and the US.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Would be face-saving for the West, because Turkey is in NATO and India is at least cordial to the US.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Yellowface Anon

    Black Sea EEZ

  210. Given the circumstance, the purpose of having China, Turkey and India on board as guarantors is better than just having the likes of Canada, US and Poland. Then again, the role of guarantors can be excluded.

    • Disagree: Yellowface Anon
  211. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Something weird is happening with your logic.

    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol - the main city in Donbas that Kiev controlled until the war. Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?

    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine. That has been accomplished and all they need to do is formalize it.

    Number two aim was for Donbas to be secured in its full borders. It is almost done.

    Number three was "de-nazification": the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls "Ukie Nazism" (I think it is more complicated, but whatever.) They can regroup, but given the experience last month and in Mariupol the recruitment could be difficult.

    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts. The economy didn't collapse, the ruble is up, China and others have stood with Russia so far...EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia's energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are 'frozen', not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia's debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev - and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports...

    Russia is so far prevailing on points. Your scoring is weirdly selective and inconsistent.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death, @Triteleia Laxa

    Russia is so far prevailing on points

    While having prior fight all their own money bets done on knockout at first blow, lol

  212. @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikhail

    Would be face-saving for the West, because Turkey is in NATO and India is at least cordial to the US.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Black Sea EEZ

  213. @songbird
    If Biden were an actor, I suppose that he would have had to retire years ago, like Bruce Willis is now doing at age 67, due to aphasia.

    Replies: @Mikel

    That’s an unfair comparison. An actor cannot possibly do his job if he is unable to express his thoughts properly. A US President of the Democratic Party, on the other hand, is not constrained by such limitations.

    • Agree: songbird
  214. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    There were three Brigades, one Marine, one territorial and the other a Regular. That’s a minimum of 15,000. I suspect there were more.

    Replies: @Aedib

    AFAIK:
    14500 in Mariupol
    59300 in Western-Donbass cauldron (not yet closed but with Ukr forces unable to retreat).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    If they don’t have fuel to drive out they have to walk. Very much like Falaise. When does a Ukrainian general attempt to depose Zelenskyy?

    Replies: @Aedib

    , @AP
    @Aedib

    Russian wiki states there were 3,500 Ukrainian military plus 800 Azov forces in Mariupol.

    I couldn't find exact numbers of troops in each brigade assigned to Mariupol, although one had about 1,200 members a few years ago.

    Looking into the units involved it seems that some of the people in the brigades assigned to Mariupol have been fighting outside Kiev.

    So a total number 3,500 regular military in Mariupol is likely.

    The city was supposed to have fallen yesterday, but didn't. Maybe today? How many weeks will it take the mighty Russian military to finally clear one city of 4,300 motivated Ukrainian defenders?

  215. There’s a Chinese blogger suggesting China will annex NE India, Northern Myanmar, and integrate with Bangladesh to solve the Malacca problem – sometime in the 2080s or later.

    Don’t know, but would suppose Indians would use nukes.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  216. @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    AFAIK:
    14500 in Mariupol
    59300 in Western-Donbass cauldron (not yet closed but with Ukr forces unable to retreat).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    If they don’t have fuel to drive out they have to walk. Very much like Falaise. When does a Ukrainian general attempt to depose Zelenskyy?

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    You are right. It seems, so far, like Falaise rather than Operation Uranus.

    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1509441988151631873/photo/1

  217. Peter Zeihan is saying that it will be “rough sledding” in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.

    Never paid any attention to him, but now he is saying a bunch of crazy things, like 20% of Russians have AIDS, and 500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.

    My favorite idea of his is why Mexico is off the table, when it comes to producing these goods. Its population centers are too separated, by geographic barriers. There is only a pocket of 30 million in the north. If they had more Mayans, up there, then it would be Silicon Valley 2.0.

    But I think he is deranged when he says that Russia will threaten to use nukes in order to make further annexations, past Ukraine, in order to shore up the geographic barriers. And, when he says, China is segwaying away.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @songbird


    Peter Zeihan is saying that it will be “rough sledding” in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.

    Never paid any attention to him, but now he is saying a bunch of crazy things, like 20% of Russians have AIDS, and 500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.
     

    No surprise from that former Stratfor individual.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird


    “rough sledding” in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.
     
    Do they even care about mainly USD/EUR sanctions? A fraction of that is likely but you can only break food markets that far.

    500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.
     
    China can just buy stuff from the other outlaw if you're treated like one. The hole in manufacturing can be filled in a decade or two - everyone is still dependent on China even when enough low-value supply chains have beeb relocated to SE/S Asia. You will own nothing and be miserable. Is he possessed by A123?

    Russia will threaten to use nukes in order to make further annexations, past Ukraine
     
    Might actually happen in the Baltics and the treat of escalation is very real.

    China is segwaying away.
     
    Trade with everyone who are willing to, and leave them alone if they don't want your products, while avoiding overdependence on foreign imports.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Zeihan is a defense contractor lobbying consultant.

  218. To the Russians and pro Russians here:

    Do you believe that Putin would accept a ceasefire where Russia gets Novorossiya and no formal Ukrainian admission to NATO but does not get any other concessions?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    Do you think there will be a treaty?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  219. @Greasy William
    To the Russians and pro Russians here:

    Do you believe that Putin would accept a ceasefire where Russia gets Novorossiya and no formal Ukrainian admission to NATO but does not get any other concessions?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Do you think there will be a treaty?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    I don't know. I can't figure out what Putin's endgame is. Why should Putin agree to stop the war if the West doesn't drop the sanctions? Putin needs the Donbas for it's natural gas but if he grabs western Ukraine too he will control 30% of the world's wheat exports as well. It may be better to just see this war out until the end.

    The question is how well is Russia able to replace losses? It may be that Russia has no choice but to halt all offensive operations after the Donbas and just take whatever they can get in negotiations

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  220. @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    Do you think there will be a treaty?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I don’t know. I can’t figure out what Putin’s endgame is. Why should Putin agree to stop the war if the West doesn’t drop the sanctions? Putin needs the Donbas for it’s natural gas but if he grabs western Ukraine too he will control 30% of the world’s wheat exports as well. It may be better to just see this war out until the end.

    The question is how well is Russia able to replace losses? It may be that Russia has no choice but to halt all offensive operations after the Donbas and just take whatever they can get in negotiations

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    It’s going to grind on until the Germans go cap in hand.

  221. @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    I don't know. I can't figure out what Putin's endgame is. Why should Putin agree to stop the war if the West doesn't drop the sanctions? Putin needs the Donbas for it's natural gas but if he grabs western Ukraine too he will control 30% of the world's wheat exports as well. It may be better to just see this war out until the end.

    The question is how well is Russia able to replace losses? It may be that Russia has no choice but to halt all offensive operations after the Donbas and just take whatever they can get in negotiations

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s going to grind on until the Germans go cap in hand.

  222. Well how long is that gonna take? It better fucking happen at least a month before the midterms. I want to run on Biden having lost the war.

  223. @songbird
    Peter Zeihan is saying that it will be "rough sledding" in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.

    Never paid any attention to him, but now he is saying a bunch of crazy things, like 20% of Russians have AIDS, and 500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.

    My favorite idea of his is why Mexico is off the table, when it comes to producing these goods. Its population centers are too separated, by geographic barriers. There is only a pocket of 30 million in the north. If they had more Mayans, up there, then it would be Silicon Valley 2.0.

    But I think he is deranged when he says that Russia will threaten to use nukes in order to make further annexations, past Ukraine, in order to shore up the geographic barriers. And, when he says, China is segwaying away.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Yellowface Anon, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Peter Zeihan is saying that it will be “rough sledding” in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.

    Never paid any attention to him, but now he is saying a bunch of crazy things, like 20% of Russians have AIDS, and 500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.

    No surprise from that former Stratfor individual.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mikhail

    Can't say that I am familiar with Stratfor. Are they a bunch of neocons?

    To me, Zeihan has a neocon aura. Though, I think one has to read between the lines, and it is nowhere near as obvious as it is in some others. (not familiar with his books, or previous work)

    Replies: @Mikhail

  224. @Mikhail
    @songbird


    Peter Zeihan is saying that it will be “rough sledding” in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.

    Never paid any attention to him, but now he is saying a bunch of crazy things, like 20% of Russians have AIDS, and 500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.
     

    No surprise from that former Stratfor individual.

    Replies: @songbird

    Can’t say that I am familiar with Stratfor. Are they a bunch of neocons?

    To me, Zeihan has a neocon aura. Though, I think one has to read between the lines, and it is nowhere near as obvious as it is in some others. (not familiar with his books, or previous work)

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @songbird

    Yeah, Zeihan is acceptable within neocon/neolb ranks. Stratfor was headed by the overrated George Friedman, who is critically mentioned in this article:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/24122021-deconstructing-john-batchelors-shows-on-russia-oped/

  225. @songbird
    @Mikhail

    Can't say that I am familiar with Stratfor. Are they a bunch of neocons?

    To me, Zeihan has a neocon aura. Though, I think one has to read between the lines, and it is nowhere near as obvious as it is in some others. (not familiar with his books, or previous work)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Yeah, Zeihan is acceptable within neocon/neolb ranks. Stratfor was headed by the overrated George Friedman, who is critically mentioned in this article:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/24122021-deconstructing-john-batchelors-shows-on-russia-oped/

    • Thanks: songbird
  226. Caucausoids are becoming unhinged. Not only is Azeribaijan-Armenia heating up. Now there are reports coming in that South Ossetia, a territory that Russia fought a war over in 2008 against Georgia, is preparing to declare a referendum on accession to the Russian Federation. The referendum is being planned not in months but in weeks.

    Does the Kremlin even want this?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Thulean Friend


    Does the Kremlin even want this?
     
    why wouldn't they? "Russian" has always been like the world's most amorphous ethnic identity. Although the Chinese give them a run for their money.

    Caucausoids are becoming unhinged.
     
    People from the Caucasus are primitive brutes, imo.
  227. @Thulean Friend
    Caucausoids are becoming unhinged. Not only is Azeribaijan-Armenia heating up. Now there are reports coming in that South Ossetia, a territory that Russia fought a war over in 2008 against Georgia, is preparing to declare a referendum on accession to the Russian Federation. The referendum is being planned not in months but in weeks.

    Does the Kremlin even want this?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Does the Kremlin even want this?

    why wouldn’t they? “Russian” has always been like the world’s most amorphous ethnic identity. Although the Chinese give them a run for their money.

    Caucausoids are becoming unhinged.

    People from the Caucasus are primitive brutes, imo.

  228. Everyone has heard about Russian roulette, and now meet Ukrainian roulette
    Cars drive around TM-62M anti-tank mines installed by the Ukrainian military in Borodyanka

  229. KP says:

    Well, having read through it all, the audience expects pictures of one side or the other in here eating their hats when peace is declared. We want more than ribbing from one side while the other ducks and doesn’t apologise.

    The war in here is hotter than the Donbass!

    As my mother still says, she is horrified at how much they were lied to in the Air Force in the 1940s, there was no truth at all from Churchill.

  230. @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Certainly Russia is looking for the way out. They miscalculated royally. They really thought that 'Zelensky regime' would collapse in 48 hours and EU and NATO and Germany, in particular, would have no time to raise real objections and would accept the fait accompli of annexation and the business between Germany and EU would continue as before. The miscalculation apart from the systemic deficiency of authoritarian and corrupt Putin regime comes from their arrogance and most importantly the utter contempt for Ukrainians as people. It may be called hubris. Certainly Germany was on board with Putin designs as it refused to provide arms to Ukraine two or so days before the invasion saying that it would be the waste of money as Ukraine would collapse within hours.

    It was the deep state of the UK and the US that had foresight to train Ukrainian army and began supplying it with weapons several months before the Russian invasion. This is very reassuring that in the background and below the ground there are real adults who are doing the right thing unperturbed by the theatrics of silly politicians and shallow media in the foreground. That Putin and his clique did ignore what was really happening shows that they just like the general public take for reality what is in the media. This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death, @German_reader

    This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.

    btw, there is an existing subset of RF maximalist nationalist landgrabber hardliners, who are so beyond disgust with all the Putin action since Ukraine first 2004 Maidan at least, that they developed a theory of Putin really being just crypto-Western deep state agent, having and executing long term strategic goal to crush RF from within. They are sure all those blunders, corruption and hubris are all nothing but just beforehand calculated parts of the plan, lol

    Viewing things with this type of mindframe, it could be also said that Hitler really was also just crypto Anglo-Saxon deep state agent hell bent to completely destruct and annihilate traditional conservative united nationalistic Germany, which was created in 1871 😉

  231. @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    If they don’t have fuel to drive out they have to walk. Very much like Falaise. When does a Ukrainian general attempt to depose Zelenskyy?

    Replies: @Aedib

    You are right. It seems, so far, like Falaise rather than Operation Uranus.

    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1509441988151631873/photo/1

  232. A123 says: • Website

    Russia avoids a weak currency — The EURO: (1)

    Russian President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will hold further discussions on the purchase of Russian energy products in rubles according to TASS (Russian News) and western media. However, in the interim Russia will continue accepting payment in euros which will be exchanged for rubles by Gazprom bank.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will hold further discussions on the purchase of Russian energy products in rubles according to TASS (Russian News) and western media. However, in the interim Russia will continue accepting payment in euros which will be exchanged for rubles by Gazprom bank.

    People keep claiming that the USD is dead. Yet, what is the alternative?

    Major players are even more enthusiastically avoiding China’s currency [RMB] and the blighted EUR. Beyond the Big Three no other currency has sufficient internationally available volume. History shows that trying to work in smaller currencies, such as Swiss Francs [CHF], creates unintended and undesirable consequences.
    ___

    As a limited volume currency, Russia has defended its Ruble [RUB] admirably. Internal speculation has been limited by law. The amount circulating outside the country is too small for known exploiters, like George IslamoSoros, to manipulate. Anyone trying to do so would walk directly into a a “short squeeze” scenario.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/30/russia-agrees-to-accept-euros-for-energy-payment-which-will-be-transacted-into-rubles-by-gazprombank/

  233. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    Bad bot always screeching over any suggestion of China being antagonized.

    Replies: @A123

    If you do not want to sound like a bad bot… That is 100% under your control.

    Simply stop screeching about your desired “sudden decoupling” scenario. The only one pitching that bit of craziness is you.

    PEACE 😇

  234. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Something weird is happening with your logic.

    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol - the main city in Donbas that Kiev controlled until the war. Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?

    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine. That has been accomplished and all they need to do is formalize it.

    Number two aim was for Donbas to be secured in its full borders. It is almost done.

    Number three was "de-nazification": the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls "Ukie Nazism" (I think it is more complicated, but whatever.) They can regroup, but given the experience last month and in Mariupol the recruitment could be difficult.

    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts. The economy didn't collapse, the ruble is up, China and others have stood with Russia so far...EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia's energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are 'frozen', not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia's debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev - and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports...

    Russia is so far prevailing on points. Your scoring is weirdly selective and inconsistent.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death, @Triteleia Laxa

    This will likely be my last post for a while on this subject. With Ukraine currently recapturing territory, even someone as dense as you will surely have to realise that you were always wrong. Let’s see if you can progress past “shock & disbelief” by the end of next week?

    I sadly suspect not. Instead, you will remain collapsed into your own personal shadow land of resentment and projection. Here’s a tip: before you ask me anything, first ask yourself that thing. That way you might find a way out.

    Anyway, to address your points in the most optimistic way I can for Russia:

    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol

    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there. Probably about the number they stand up every few days.

    D- for Russia.

    Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?

    How long does Russia want their full army deployed there to hold it? And while sanctioned?

    F for Russia.

    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine.

    NATO wasn’t in Ukraine but now they are. And Ukraine will be a de facto member of NATO when this war is over. Even if not formally in it.

    F for Russia.

    Number three was “de-nazification”: the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls “Ukie Nazism”

    Azov has likely never had so many members, nor so much combat experience nor so much credibility.

    F for Russia.

    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts.

    If this is true, and remains true, f*cking massive F for Russians.

    The economy didn’t collapse, the ruble is up

    Sanctions are meant to take about 3 months to bite. It has been just over one month. Meanwhile, Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of its most intelligent young people, which will doom their hopes of an O-ring economy.

    F for Russia, unless they make a peace that can end sanctions in the next two months. But their talent may never come back.

    China and others have stood with Russia so far

    Russia’s best friends literally did nothing for Russia. That is sad.

    F for Russia.

    EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia’s energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are ‘frozen’, not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia’s debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev – and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports…

    Bizarre and laughable cope. Too pitiful to address.

    F for you and Russia.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, Johann Ricke
    • Troll: Wokechoke
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of its most intelligent young people, which will doom their hopes of an O-ring economy.
     
    Can you expound on this a bit? Has Karlin finally chucked his "Triune theory" bit and returned to Silicon Value? Unemployment at this time must be tough to handle in Moscow.

    Don't stay away too long. You have many fans here that appreciate your acerbic humor. :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Now it’s 3,000 defenders…not even a Brigade?

    , @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I see you are planning to escape from your deranged posts here. Probably a good choice.


    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there.
     
    Yes, "yet". Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol. There are maybe 3k left, surrounded and with no chance to win. What happened to the others? If this is a Kiev victory for the desperation PR now has a new face. Mariupol is in Russian hands.

    NATO wasn’t in Ukraine but now they are.
     
    NATO was in Ukraine and now will not be. See, I fixed it for you. Read the Western media - that's is what they say: 'Kiev will agree to a neutral Ukraine not in NATO" - google the phrase, you will be surprised how much things have changed since January.

    Russia’s best friends literally did nothing for Russia.
     
    Really? China has supported Russia economically and diplomatically. So has India and governments that represent about 80% of the global population (West has about 20%). If this is "nothing" why is Washington desperately yelling and threatening China and others? Even Turkey refused to do sanctions.

    I agree that Azov is often used as a short-hand, but there are fewer Azov-like military forces now than there were a month ago.

    You failed to answer any substantive points. Russia is winning on points.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

  235. It’s somewhat rare, but you do occasionally stumble accross some intelligent commenters at other UNZ blogsites. Here’s a good comment that I recently came accross, including my reply:

    meamjojo says:Next New Comment
    March 31, 2022 at 8:23 am GMT • 5.3 hours ago • 100 Words ↑
    I have to thank Putin for being instrumental in solidifying NATO, bringing the West together including getting Poland back in to the fold (they were teetering prior to the invasion), single-handedly cratering his own economy and crashing the myth that Russia had a great army. Russia was 11 in the world in GDP prior to the invasion. They are sure to have dropped into the lower 20 now.

    Oh and I must not forget the 200k+ young, smart Russian who have already left the country. Perhaps we can score some good [previously] Russian brainiacs.

    Glory to Ukraine!

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    You forgot to mention that while the West is dithering about sending any planes to Ukraine, Russia is now the greatest provider of tanks for Ukraine.

    Ukraine has captured at least 117 Russian tanks. To put it another way, the Ukrainian army had around 2,550 tanks (including light tanks and main battle tanks) before the war. After its battle gains, they have now 2593 tanks, 43 more than the original count.

    https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraines-now-boasts-more-tanks-than-pre-war-times-figure/

  236. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    This will likely be my last post for a while on this subject. With Ukraine currently recapturing territory, even someone as dense as you will surely have to realise that you were always wrong. Let's see if you can progress past "shock & disbelief" by the end of next week?

    I sadly suspect not. Instead, you will remain collapsed into your own personal shadow land of resentment and projection. Here's a tip: before you ask me anything, first ask yourself that thing. That way you might find a way out.

    Anyway, to address your points in the most optimistic way I can for Russia:


    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol
     
    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there. Probably about the number they stand up every few days.

    D- for Russia.


    Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?
     
    How long does Russia want their full army deployed there to hold it? And while sanctioned?

    F for Russia.


    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine.
     
    NATO wasn't in Ukraine but now they are. And Ukraine will be a de facto member of NATO when this war is over. Even if not formally in it.

    F for Russia.


    Number three was “de-nazification”: the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls “Ukie Nazism”
     
    Azov has likely never had so many members, nor so much combat experience nor so much credibility.

    F for Russia.


    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts.
     
    If this is true, and remains true, f*cking massive F for Russians.

    The economy didn’t collapse, the ruble is up
     
    Sanctions are meant to take about 3 months to bite. It has been just over one month. Meanwhile, Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of its most intelligent young people, which will doom their hopes of an O-ring economy.

    F for Russia, unless they make a peace that can end sanctions in the next two months. But their talent may never come back.


    China and others have stood with Russia so far
     
    Russia's best friends literally did nothing for Russia. That is sad.

    F for Russia.


    EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia’s energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are ‘frozen’, not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia’s debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev – and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports…
     
    Bizarre and laughable cope. Too pitiful to address.

    F for you and Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of its most intelligent young people, which will doom their hopes of an O-ring economy.

    Can you expound on this a bit? Has Karlin finally chucked his “Triune theory” bit and returned to Silicon Value? Unemployment at this time must be tough to handle in Moscow.

    Don’t stay away too long. You have many fans here that appreciate your acerbic humor. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Should have stated "Silicon Valley". Need some coffee. :-)

  237. Desperate intends to rescue remaining Azovites from Azovstal end in disaster.

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7529721.html

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

    The Russian tank fleet was destroyed, the Russians lost 25,000 dead/missing…annihilated the Japanese anyway.

    , @AP
    @Aedib

    Your gloating was premature. Most of the ones evacuated escaped, only 1 of the 4 helicoptors was downed:



    https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1509574299006521354?s=20&t=gE0mOLfaK7QtCMsU6J4RQw

    Replies: @Aedib

  238. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    This will likely be my last post for a while on this subject. With Ukraine currently recapturing territory, even someone as dense as you will surely have to realise that you were always wrong. Let's see if you can progress past "shock & disbelief" by the end of next week?

    I sadly suspect not. Instead, you will remain collapsed into your own personal shadow land of resentment and projection. Here's a tip: before you ask me anything, first ask yourself that thing. That way you might find a way out.

    Anyway, to address your points in the most optimistic way I can for Russia:


    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol
     
    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there. Probably about the number they stand up every few days.

    D- for Russia.


    Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?
     
    How long does Russia want their full army deployed there to hold it? And while sanctioned?

    F for Russia.


    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine.
     
    NATO wasn't in Ukraine but now they are. And Ukraine will be a de facto member of NATO when this war is over. Even if not formally in it.

    F for Russia.


    Number three was “de-nazification”: the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls “Ukie Nazism”
     
    Azov has likely never had so many members, nor so much combat experience nor so much credibility.

    F for Russia.


    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts.
     
    If this is true, and remains true, f*cking massive F for Russians.

    The economy didn’t collapse, the ruble is up
     
    Sanctions are meant to take about 3 months to bite. It has been just over one month. Meanwhile, Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of its most intelligent young people, which will doom their hopes of an O-ring economy.

    F for Russia, unless they make a peace that can end sanctions in the next two months. But their talent may never come back.


    China and others have stood with Russia so far
     
    Russia's best friends literally did nothing for Russia. That is sad.

    F for Russia.


    EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia’s energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are ‘frozen’, not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia’s debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev – and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports…
     
    Bizarre and laughable cope. Too pitiful to address.

    F for you and Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Now it’s 3,000 defenders…not even a Brigade?

  239. @Mr. Hack
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of its most intelligent young people, which will doom their hopes of an O-ring economy.
     
    Can you expound on this a bit? Has Karlin finally chucked his "Triune theory" bit and returned to Silicon Value? Unemployment at this time must be tough to handle in Moscow.

    Don't stay away too long. You have many fans here that appreciate your acerbic humor. :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Should have stated “Silicon Valley”. Need some coffee. 🙂

  240. @Aedib
    Desperate intends to rescue remaining Azovites from Azovstal end in disaster.

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7529721.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

    The Russian tank fleet was destroyed, the Russians lost 25,000 dead/missing…annihilated the Japanese anyway.

    • LOL: Aedib
  241. @songbird
    Peter Zeihan is saying that it will be "rough sledding" in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.

    Never paid any attention to him, but now he is saying a bunch of crazy things, like 20% of Russians have AIDS, and 500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.

    My favorite idea of his is why Mexico is off the table, when it comes to producing these goods. Its population centers are too separated, by geographic barriers. There is only a pocket of 30 million in the north. If they had more Mayans, up there, then it would be Silicon Valley 2.0.

    But I think he is deranged when he says that Russia will threaten to use nukes in order to make further annexations, past Ukraine, in order to shore up the geographic barriers. And, when he says, China is segwaying away.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Yellowface Anon, @Emil Nikola Richard

    “rough sledding” in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.

    Do they even care about mainly USD/EUR sanctions? A fraction of that is likely but you can only break food markets that far.

    500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.

    China can just buy stuff from the other outlaw if you’re treated like one. The hole in manufacturing can be filled in a decade or two – everyone is still dependent on China even when enough low-value supply chains have beeb relocated to SE/S Asia. You will own nothing and be miserable. Is he possessed by A123?

    Russia will threaten to use nukes in order to make further annexations, past Ukraine

    Might actually happen in the Baltics and the treat of escalation is very real.

    China is segwaying away.

    Trade with everyone who are willing to, and leave them alone if they don’t want your products, while avoiding overdependence on foreign imports.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    The catastrophic problem your CCP faces with food markets is *only surplus above national needs reaches "the market" *. (1)


    A global food crisis sparked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine escalated on Wednesday as Indonesia tightened curbs on palm oil exports, adding to a growing list of key producing countries seeking to keep vital food supplies within their borders

    • Palm oil prices soar as Indonesia curbs exports
    • Ukraine bans wide range of agricultural exports
    • Serbia bans exports of wheat, corn, flour and cooking oil
    • Yara curtails fertiliser output in Italy and France
     

    Countries that are deeply food calorie negative, notably China, are at the most risk. The U.S., Europe, and Russia all dramatically over produce while fertilizer is available. Reduced availability of fertilizer, higher cost, and national export restrictions will combine to sharply reduce the amount for food calories available on international markets.

    The CCP has an especially bad version of market ignorance. They blindly assume that there will:

    -- "always be a seller" for the food they desperately need to buy
    -- "always be a buyer" for the discretionary, personal use products that represent most of their output.

    Upcoming winter wheat harvest will be impaired, and a huge array of spring planting will be Nitrogen short. At a minimum, that is two "seasons" of calorie deficit. If the fighting continues, a whole year of global food production could plummet.

    Expect China to redeem their U.S. bond holding to purchase American Agriculture exports at historically, exceptionally high prices. Even that will leave the CCP with a strict rationing requirement that could easily result in a, long overdue, counter revolution against central rule.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.reuters.com/world/food-crisis-grows-spiralling-prices-spark-export-bans-2022-03-09/

    , @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    Zeihan says, only 5% of US GDP is non-NAFTA trade. And he calls it a continent-based economy or something. And seems to imply that the US intentionally abandoned global trade in order to forge a New World Order, where it was global hegemon, more attractive to its partners like Germany and Japan.

    If I understand him correctly, he is downplaying India superpower 2030, but also touting India's longterm geostrategic position. Nearly straddling the Gulf - so they can decide who gets oil. 70% of global trade passes through the Indian Ocean Basin. India is only one of about six countries with a certain level of development that are not facing demographic collapse (? I thought they were.)


    China is segwaying away.
     
    What I meant to imply with this is that Zeihan thinks that China is already telegraphing that they are willing to drop Russia like a rock, in order to ingratiate themselves with the American order.

    Replies: @A123

  242. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird


    “rough sledding” in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.
     
    Do they even care about mainly USD/EUR sanctions? A fraction of that is likely but you can only break food markets that far.

    500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.
     
    China can just buy stuff from the other outlaw if you're treated like one. The hole in manufacturing can be filled in a decade or two - everyone is still dependent on China even when enough low-value supply chains have beeb relocated to SE/S Asia. You will own nothing and be miserable. Is he possessed by A123?

    Russia will threaten to use nukes in order to make further annexations, past Ukraine
     
    Might actually happen in the Baltics and the treat of escalation is very real.

    China is segwaying away.
     
    Trade with everyone who are willing to, and leave them alone if they don't want your products, while avoiding overdependence on foreign imports.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    The catastrophic problem your CCP faces with food markets is *only surplus above national needs reaches “the market” *. (1)

    A global food crisis sparked by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine escalated on Wednesday as Indonesia tightened curbs on palm oil exports, adding to a growing list of key producing countries seeking to keep vital food supplies within their borders

    • Palm oil prices soar as Indonesia curbs exports
    • Ukraine bans wide range of agricultural exports
    • Serbia bans exports of wheat, corn, flour and cooking oil
    • Yara curtails fertiliser output in Italy and France

    Countries that are deeply food calorie negative, notably China, are at the most risk. The U.S., Europe, and Russia all dramatically over produce while fertilizer is available. Reduced availability of fertilizer, higher cost, and national export restrictions will combine to sharply reduce the amount for food calories available on international markets.

    The CCP has an especially bad version of market ignorance. They blindly assume that there will:

    — “always be a seller” for the food they desperately need to buy
    — “always be a buyer” for the discretionary, personal use products that represent most of their output.

    Upcoming winter wheat harvest will be impaired, and a huge array of spring planting will be Nitrogen short. At a minimum, that is two “seasons” of calorie deficit. If the fighting continues, a whole year of global food production could plummet.

    Expect China to redeem their U.S. bond holding to purchase American Agriculture exports at historically, exceptionally high prices. Even that will leave the CCP with a strict rationing requirement that could easily result in a, long overdue, counter revolution against central rule.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.reuters.com/world/food-crisis-grows-spiralling-prices-spark-export-bans-2022-03-09/

    • Troll: Yellowface Anon
  243. AP says:
    @Aedib
    @Wokechoke

    AFAIK:
    14500 in Mariupol
    59300 in Western-Donbass cauldron (not yet closed but with Ukr forces unable to retreat).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    Russian wiki states there were 3,500 Ukrainian military plus 800 Azov forces in Mariupol.

    I couldn’t find exact numbers of troops in each brigade assigned to Mariupol, although one had about 1,200 members a few years ago.

    Looking into the units involved it seems that some of the people in the brigades assigned to Mariupol have been fighting outside Kiev.

    So a total number 3,500 regular military in Mariupol is likely.

    The city was supposed to have fallen yesterday, but didn’t. Maybe today? How many weeks will it take the mighty Russian military to finally clear one city of 4,300 motivated Ukrainian defenders?

    • LOL: Aedib
  244. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    This will likely be my last post for a while on this subject. With Ukraine currently recapturing territory, even someone as dense as you will surely have to realise that you were always wrong. Let's see if you can progress past "shock & disbelief" by the end of next week?

    I sadly suspect not. Instead, you will remain collapsed into your own personal shadow land of resentment and projection. Here's a tip: before you ask me anything, first ask yourself that thing. That way you might find a way out.

    Anyway, to address your points in the most optimistic way I can for Russia:


    We have just seen Russia take Mariupol
     
    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there. Probably about the number they stand up every few days.

    D- for Russia.


    Are you suggesting that Russia will turn it back to Kiev?
     
    How long does Russia want their full army deployed there to hold it? And while sanctioned?

    F for Russia.


    Number one war aim for Russia was to get NATO out Ukraine.
     
    NATO wasn't in Ukraine but now they are. And Ukraine will be a de facto member of NATO when this war is over. Even if not formally in it.

    F for Russia.


    Number three was “de-nazification”: the losses by Azov and others have been large and that was the core element of what Russia calls “Ukie Nazism”
     
    Azov has likely never had so many members, nor so much combat experience nor so much credibility.

    F for Russia.


    Putin is in power and quite popular by all accounts.
     
    If this is true, and remains true, f*cking massive F for Russians.

    The economy didn’t collapse, the ruble is up
     
    Sanctions are meant to take about 3 months to bite. It has been just over one month. Meanwhile, Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of its most intelligent young people, which will doom their hopes of an O-ring economy.

    F for Russia, unless they make a peace that can end sanctions in the next two months. But their talent may never come back.


    China and others have stood with Russia so far
     
    Russia's best friends literally did nothing for Russia. That is sad.

    F for Russia.


    EU is having second thoughts about the brave new world without Russia’s energy and other resources. The central bank reserves are ‘frozen’, not taken, and they are being used to pay off Russia’s debts. Nobody will give them to Kiev – and Russia holds territory and assets in the part of Ukraine it controls that are way more valuable, arable land, ports…
     
    Bizarre and laughable cope. Too pitiful to address.

    F for you and Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    I see you are planning to escape from your deranged posts here. Probably a good choice.

    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there.

    Yes, “yet”. Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol. There are maybe 3k left, surrounded and with no chance to win. What happened to the others? If this is a Kiev victory for the desperation PR now has a new face. Mariupol is in Russian hands.

    NATO wasn’t in Ukraine but now they are.

    NATO was in Ukraine and now will not be. See, I fixed it for you. Read the Western media – that’s is what they say: ‘Kiev will agree to a neutral Ukraine not in NATO” – google the phrase, you will be surprised how much things have changed since January.

    Russia’s best friends literally did nothing for Russia.

    Really? China has supported Russia economically and diplomatically. So has India and governments that represent about 80% of the global population (West has about 20%). If this is “nothing” why is Washington desperately yelling and threatening China and others? Even Turkey refused to do sanctions.

    I agree that Azov is often used as a short-hand, but there are fewer Azov-like military forces now than there were a month ago.

    You failed to answer any substantive points. Russia is winning on points.

    • Agree: Wokechoke
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol
     
    Russian and English wiki both stated 3,500 Ukrainian troops plus 800 Azovites in Mariupol.

    Ukraine has 250,00 military plus at least 100k reserves mobilized so even 15k in Mariupol would be less than 5% of Ukraine's military, which took about 6 weeks to be defeated despite being only 20 km from the prewar front line.

    Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war (so far they have failed to encircle/seize Kiev and Kharkiv), it makes sense to exaggerate the number of Ukrainian defenders.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    I agree that Azov is often used as a short-hand, but there are fewer Azov-like military forces now than there were a month ago.
     
    Azov is not a group of men, but a movement (the so called Азов Рух which includes the civilian corps, volunteers, a political party, etc). They were always loved by the people, but now they will gain immortality.



    The commander was still alive 10 hours ago. The founder is most likely still alive, too.

    "Cattle die
    kinsmen die
    all men are mortal.
    Words of praise
    will never perish
    nor a noble name."


    The Words of the High One
  245. @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird


    “rough sledding” in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.
     
    Do they even care about mainly USD/EUR sanctions? A fraction of that is likely but you can only break food markets that far.

    500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.
     
    China can just buy stuff from the other outlaw if you're treated like one. The hole in manufacturing can be filled in a decade or two - everyone is still dependent on China even when enough low-value supply chains have beeb relocated to SE/S Asia. You will own nothing and be miserable. Is he possessed by A123?

    Russia will threaten to use nukes in order to make further annexations, past Ukraine
     
    Might actually happen in the Baltics and the treat of escalation is very real.

    China is segwaying away.
     
    Trade with everyone who are willing to, and leave them alone if they don't want your products, while avoiding overdependence on foreign imports.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    Zeihan says, only 5% of US GDP is non-NAFTA trade. And he calls it a continent-based economy or something. And seems to imply that the US intentionally abandoned global trade in order to forge a New World Order, where it was global hegemon, more attractive to its partners like Germany and Japan.

    If I understand him correctly, he is downplaying India superpower 2030, but also touting India’s longterm geostrategic position. Nearly straddling the Gulf – so they can decide who gets oil. 70% of global trade passes through the Indian Ocean Basin. India is only one of about six countries with a certain level of development that are not facing demographic collapse (? I thought they were.)

    China is segwaying away.

    What I meant to imply with this is that Zeihan thinks that China is already telegraphing that they are willing to drop Russia like a rock, in order to ingratiate themselves with the American order.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    What I meant to imply with this is that Zeihan thinks that China is already telegraphing that they are willing to drop Russia like a rock, in order to ingratiate themselves with the American order.
     
    I am having difficulty following you conclusion.

    -- What do you mean by "American Order"?

    The CCP is already part owner of the illegitimate Biden regime: (1)

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Screen-Shot-2022-03-31-at-9.18.04-AM-600x574.png
     

    However, the current White House dribbler is diametrically opposed to American workers and American values. Describing Not-The-President Biden as "American Order" is clearly inappropriate.

    Do you mean that China is attempting to curry favour with the European WEF Elites of Davos? They are the puppet masters of current White House occupant.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  246. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I see you are planning to escape from your deranged posts here. Probably a good choice.


    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there.
     
    Yes, "yet". Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol. There are maybe 3k left, surrounded and with no chance to win. What happened to the others? If this is a Kiev victory for the desperation PR now has a new face. Mariupol is in Russian hands.

    NATO wasn’t in Ukraine but now they are.
     
    NATO was in Ukraine and now will not be. See, I fixed it for you. Read the Western media - that's is what they say: 'Kiev will agree to a neutral Ukraine not in NATO" - google the phrase, you will be surprised how much things have changed since January.

    Russia’s best friends literally did nothing for Russia.
     
    Really? China has supported Russia economically and diplomatically. So has India and governments that represent about 80% of the global population (West has about 20%). If this is "nothing" why is Washington desperately yelling and threatening China and others? Even Turkey refused to do sanctions.

    I agree that Azov is often used as a short-hand, but there are fewer Azov-like military forces now than there were a month ago.

    You failed to answer any substantive points. Russia is winning on points.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol

    Russian and English wiki both stated 3,500 Ukrainian troops plus 800 Azovites in Mariupol.

    Ukraine has 250,00 military plus at least 100k reserves mobilized so even 15k in Mariupol would be less than 5% of Ukraine’s military, which took about 6 weeks to be defeated despite being only 20 km from the prewar front line.

    Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war (so far they have failed to encircle/seize Kiev and Kharkiv), it makes sense to exaggerate the number of Ukrainian defenders.

    • Troll: Wokechoke
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    You are intentionally - and retroactively - downplaying the situation in Mariupol. That is not what you, Laxa and the Western media were saying previously. But ok, we are familiar with the sour grapes Aesop fable, have at it if it makes you feel better.

    Ukraine started the war with half a million soldiers of varied quality. The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has. The ones in Mariupol have been neutralized - Russians claim up to 10k, others say 3k, it was clearly a defeat. Another defeat was Kherson. Lugansk republic is almost fully taken by the LNR forces. The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed. Kiev has almost no air force and no navy. You are wrong about assessing the lack of victories. Sour grapes.

    Strategically for a smaller force to win requires time and maneuvers - Russia attacked with only 200k soldiers. The same happened in every war. Ukraine is the largest country defending itself in the last 30 years. Half a million well-armed soldiers who have been preparing for years and are from a good fighting stock. That means the war will take time and losses on both sides. That's why it was so important to avoid it and Kiev refused - now they will settle for a worse deal after the unnecessary war.

    You are not a realist and that is a problem. The opposite of realism is not-realism - in other words, you attempt to live outside of the realities we face. You think that by not being a realist you represent higher ideas - a noble idealism of sorts. It doesn't work that way, there is no such thing as idealism, other than in your mind.

    This is a relatively simple situation: an unnecessary war fought over overly ambitious and unrealistic dreams by some in Washington and Brussels that the Ukrainian people are paying a heavy price for. It is time to end it.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Well, that wiki number has been altered. Three brigades were listed there.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Have you ever heard of ww2 battles like Caen? It was this coastal city with a set of critical road junctions the British were supposed to capture day 1 or 2 of DDay landings? In end the Germans concentrated a great deal of forces there. It was never surrounded but huge loses on both sides happened. Huge attritional battle that broke the Germans. Maruipol is probably more analogous with Cherbourg though. A port that the aamericans should have captured in a week as it was a key port. Kherson is the city at the estuary of the Dneiper anyway and that was gone in a few days. Might have been the only important city in Ukraine in a geostrategic sense. Kiev while the capital is landlocked like a river city on the Mississipppi. Kherson is more like New Orleans in terms of ruling the Dneiper.

    Mariupol looks like that sort of a hinge. Taking or losing it has been similar to sieges in ww2 Tobruk in North Africa, during the last 8 years.


    You sound like a troll at this point.

    Replies: @AP

  247. Can someone please explain the different spellings of Zelensky?
    -Zelensky (I assume Westernized)
    -Zelenskyy (I presume purely employed for comedic purposes)
    -Zelenskiy (Guardian has employed it in the past, not sure if currently)

    It is not like “Kiev” and “Kyiv”, is it?

  248. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    Zeihan says, only 5% of US GDP is non-NAFTA trade. And he calls it a continent-based economy or something. And seems to imply that the US intentionally abandoned global trade in order to forge a New World Order, where it was global hegemon, more attractive to its partners like Germany and Japan.

    If I understand him correctly, he is downplaying India superpower 2030, but also touting India's longterm geostrategic position. Nearly straddling the Gulf - so they can decide who gets oil. 70% of global trade passes through the Indian Ocean Basin. India is only one of about six countries with a certain level of development that are not facing demographic collapse (? I thought they were.)


    China is segwaying away.
     
    What I meant to imply with this is that Zeihan thinks that China is already telegraphing that they are willing to drop Russia like a rock, in order to ingratiate themselves with the American order.

    Replies: @A123

    What I meant to imply with this is that Zeihan thinks that China is already telegraphing that they are willing to drop Russia like a rock, in order to ingratiate themselves with the American order.

    I am having difficulty following you conclusion.

    What do you mean by “American Order”?

    The CCP is already part owner of the illegitimate Biden regime: (1)

      

    However, the current White House dribbler is diametrically opposed to American workers and American values. Describing Not-The-President Biden as “American Order” is clearly inappropriate.

    Do you mean that China is attempting to curry favour with the European WEF Elites of Davos? They are the puppet masters of current White House occupant.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    However, the current White House dribbler
     
    Have there been previous ones? Maybe, FDR after he had his stroke?

    Do you mean that China is attempting to curry favour with the European WEF Elites of Davos?
     
    Klaus Schwab is surprisingly not super rich. But I suppose it would be hard to bribe some of the others.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  249. @Aedib
    Desperate intends to rescue remaining Azovites from Azovstal end in disaster.

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7529721.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    Your gloating was premature. Most of the ones evacuated escaped, only 1 of the 4 helicoptors was downed:

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @AP

    Actually 2 out of 4.

    https://southfront.org/more-details-on-interception-of-ukrainian-helicopters-near-mariupol-revealed/

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  250. @A123
    @songbird


    What I meant to imply with this is that Zeihan thinks that China is already telegraphing that they are willing to drop Russia like a rock, in order to ingratiate themselves with the American order.
     
    I am having difficulty following you conclusion.

    -- What do you mean by "American Order"?

    The CCP is already part owner of the illegitimate Biden regime: (1)

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Screen-Shot-2022-03-31-at-9.18.04-AM-600x574.png
     

    However, the current White House dribbler is diametrically opposed to American workers and American values. Describing Not-The-President Biden as "American Order" is clearly inappropriate.

    Do you mean that China is attempting to curry favour with the European WEF Elites of Davos? They are the puppet masters of current White House occupant.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    However, the current White House dribbler

    Have there been previous ones? Maybe, FDR after he had his stroke?

    Do you mean that China is attempting to curry favour with the European WEF Elites of Davos?

    Klaus Schwab is surprisingly not super rich. But I suppose it would be hard to bribe some of the others.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    Hey, don't forget about Barack the dribbler! He liked to get on court for some performative blackness.

  251. This saga has more twists and turns than a spythriller.

    Putin Says Gas Exports to Be Halted If Ruble Payments Not Made

    “To buy Russian gas, they need to open ruble accounts in Russian banks,” Putin told officials in a televised speech Thursday. “It is from those accounts that gas will be paid for starting April 1. If such payments aren’t made, we will consider this a failure by the client to comply with its obligations.”

    Buyers should open special accounts in state-controlled Gazprombank to allow foreign currency to be swapped to rubles for settlements, according to an order signed by Putin.

    Official Kremlin spokesperson Peskov denied the imminent deadline was on the table just a day ago and now Putin is already contradicting him. Chaotic or unpredictable? Reminds me of the Trump presidency, except Putin’s actually in control, unlike Trump.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Thulean Friend

    Financial billing and payments are not instantaneous. Accounts payable usually take up to 60 days after an invoice. The current payment procedures vary and changing them in the middle of ongoing business takes time. There is no contradiction - both statements are (or can be) true.

    If an invoice was sent before today it is normal that it will be settled in the old method in euros in the next 1-2 months. What is changing is billing and payments after April 1. German gas firms will open ruble accounts probably in intermediary names. Russia will effectively receive payments in rubles. and not keep the proceeds in EU in euros. To simplify transactions costs I would expect that the German firms will eventually do it directly (and quietly).

    Another alternative is that the German firms will be ordered not to pay at all for the gas, or to pay into what are effectively frozen Russian accounts. Then we will see who blinks. But if Russia stops sending the gas for non-payment by customers it will get really ugly. I still think that they will muddle through. It is really about the Western PR and not losing face, there are ways to do it since the mass media in the West is very compliant.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  252. @AP
    @Beckow


    Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol
     
    Russian and English wiki both stated 3,500 Ukrainian troops plus 800 Azovites in Mariupol.

    Ukraine has 250,00 military plus at least 100k reserves mobilized so even 15k in Mariupol would be less than 5% of Ukraine's military, which took about 6 weeks to be defeated despite being only 20 km from the prewar front line.

    Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war (so far they have failed to encircle/seize Kiev and Kharkiv), it makes sense to exaggerate the number of Ukrainian defenders.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    You are intentionally – and retroactively – downplaying the situation in Mariupol. That is not what you, Laxa and the Western media were saying previously. But ok, we are familiar with the sour grapes Aesop fable, have at it if it makes you feel better.

    Ukraine started the war with half a million soldiers of varied quality. The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has. The ones in Mariupol have been neutralized – Russians claim up to 10k, others say 3k, it was clearly a defeat. Another defeat was Kherson. Lugansk republic is almost fully taken by the LNR forces. The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed. Kiev has almost no air force and no navy. You are wrong about assessing the lack of victories. Sour grapes.

    Strategically for a smaller force to win requires time and maneuvers – Russia attacked with only 200k soldiers. The same happened in every war. Ukraine is the largest country defending itself in the last 30 years. Half a million well-armed soldiers who have been preparing for years and are from a good fighting stock. That means the war will take time and losses on both sides. That’s why it was so important to avoid it and Kiev refused – now they will settle for a worse deal after the unnecessary war.

    You are not a realist and that is a problem. The opposite of realism is not-realism – in other words, you attempt to live outside of the realities we face. You think that by not being a realist you represent higher ideas – a noble idealism of sorts. It doesn’t work that way, there is no such thing as idealism, other than in your mind.

    This is a relatively simple situation: an unnecessary war fought over overly ambitious and unrealistic dreams by some in Washington and Brussels that the Ukrainian people are paying a heavy price for. It is time to end it.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    You are intentionally – and retroactively – downplaying the situation in Mariupol. That is not what you, Laxa and the Western media were saying previously.
     
    I don't know about the others but you are lying about me.

    But ok, we are familiar with the sour grapes Aesop fable
     
    Sour grapes adequately described what Russians write about Ukraine.

    Ukraine started the war with half a million soldiers of varied quality.
     
    You make the Russian defeat sting less by lying about and exaggerating the number of Ukrainian troops.

    Ukraine started the war with 250,000 people in its military. Because Russia failed to take much territory, Ukraine has had time to mobilize and arm 100,000s more. It may have half a million now. Which is why Russia has no chance of conquering Ukraine. It can only bleed more while killing Ukrainian civilians and taking some lands incrementally until it runs out of soldiers to throw into the meatgrinder. Though for the last few days it has been losing ground around Kiev, Kharkiv and Sumy that compensate for land gained around Luhansk.

    The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has.
     
    Congratulations, you have finally managed to write something accurate and true. Was it a mistake?

    Indeed, that the 4,300 Ukrainian troops in Mariupol still manage to hold parts of the city after nearly 6 weeks reflects their high quality.

    Another defeat was Kherson
     
    Unlike Mariupol, Kherson wasn't defended, the single Ukrainian brigade that was there retreated to Mykolaiv where the Russians were stopped before they could get closer to Odessa or block the roads to Odessa.

    Same story with Melitopol.

    There is an ongoing battle in Izium that Ukrainians may or may not lose eventually.

    Russia attacked with only 200k soldiers.
     
    Which is why a realist such as me concluded that Russia would not be able to seize all of Ukraine while an idealist such as Karlin estimated 90% chance of Ukraine losing the war in a week. You also assumed a quick Ukrainian defeat but didn't provide a date IIRC because you are also not a realist.

    The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed. Kiev has almost no air force and no navy. You are wrong about assessing the lack of victories
     
    Review what I actually wrote - "Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war"

    Hitting factories and oil depots or bombing an airport is not a battle.

    The more desperate you become, the more you lie.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

  253. @Thulean Friend
    This saga has more twists and turns than a spythriller.

    Putin Says Gas Exports to Be Halted If Ruble Payments Not Made

    “To buy Russian gas, they need to open ruble accounts in Russian banks,” Putin told officials in a televised speech Thursday. “It is from those accounts that gas will be paid for starting April 1. If such payments aren’t made, we will consider this a failure by the client to comply with its obligations.”

    Buyers should open special accounts in state-controlled Gazprombank to allow foreign currency to be swapped to rubles for settlements, according to an order signed by Putin.

     

    Official Kremlin spokesperson Peskov denied the imminent deadline was on the table just a day ago and now Putin is already contradicting him. Chaotic or unpredictable? Reminds me of the Trump presidency, except Putin's actually in control, unlike Trump.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Financial billing and payments are not instantaneous. Accounts payable usually take up to 60 days after an invoice. The current payment procedures vary and changing them in the middle of ongoing business takes time. There is no contradiction – both statements are (or can be) true.

    If an invoice was sent before today it is normal that it will be settled in the old method in euros in the next 1-2 months. What is changing is billing and payments after April 1. German gas firms will open ruble accounts probably in intermediary names. Russia will effectively receive payments in rubles. and not keep the proceeds in EU in euros. To simplify transactions costs I would expect that the German firms will eventually do it directly (and quietly).

    Another alternative is that the German firms will be ordered not to pay at all for the gas, or to pay into what are effectively frozen Russian accounts. Then we will see who blinks. But if Russia stops sending the gas for non-payment by customers it will get really ugly. I still think that they will muddle through. It is really about the Western PR and not losing face, there are ways to do it since the mass media in the West is very compliant.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Here’s a fun one.

    Putin proposes to return Konigsberg back to Germany as a good well gesture.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  254. The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has

    The Americans refused to supply the Azov regiment with advanced weapons or give them training, so they are likely not as formidable compared to other Ukrainian units as their reputation suggested

    The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed

    They are asking for 500 Javelins a week. They are not going to run out of artillery ammunition, drones to target indirect fire, or trucks. More advanced weapons’ like the switchblades will take time but eventually be arriving in quantity

    That means the war will take time and losses on both sides. That’s why it was so important to avoid it and Kiev refused – now they will settle for a worse deal after the unnecessary war.

    Zelensky would not be allowed to agree to a peace that ceded territory. The longer this goes on the better and the more chance they will get all of Donbass back. That is the way the Ukrainians are thinking at present it seems to me.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The problem will be getting that gear to anywhere near the action in the south.

    Replies: @Sean

  255. @songbird
    Peter Zeihan is saying that it will be "rough sledding" in Africa, South Asia, and China, in 18 months, as 1-2 billion people enter into chronic malnutrition.

    Never paid any attention to him, but now he is saying a bunch of crazy things, like 20% of Russians have AIDS, and 500 million Chinese will die in a year, if they are sanctioned. But that we can move cheap production of electronics to Vietnam.

    My favorite idea of his is why Mexico is off the table, when it comes to producing these goods. Its population centers are too separated, by geographic barriers. There is only a pocket of 30 million in the north. If they had more Mayans, up there, then it would be Silicon Valley 2.0.

    But I think he is deranged when he says that Russia will threaten to use nukes in order to make further annexations, past Ukraine, in order to shore up the geographic barriers. And, when he says, China is segwaying away.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Yellowface Anon, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Zeihan is a defense contractor lobbying consultant.

    • Thanks: songbird
  256. @Beckow
    @Thulean Friend

    Financial billing and payments are not instantaneous. Accounts payable usually take up to 60 days after an invoice. The current payment procedures vary and changing them in the middle of ongoing business takes time. There is no contradiction - both statements are (or can be) true.

    If an invoice was sent before today it is normal that it will be settled in the old method in euros in the next 1-2 months. What is changing is billing and payments after April 1. German gas firms will open ruble accounts probably in intermediary names. Russia will effectively receive payments in rubles. and not keep the proceeds in EU in euros. To simplify transactions costs I would expect that the German firms will eventually do it directly (and quietly).

    Another alternative is that the German firms will be ordered not to pay at all for the gas, or to pay into what are effectively frozen Russian accounts. Then we will see who blinks. But if Russia stops sending the gas for non-payment by customers it will get really ugly. I still think that they will muddle through. It is really about the Western PR and not losing face, there are ways to do it since the mass media in the West is very compliant.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Here’s a fun one.

    Putin proposes to return Konigsberg back to Germany as a good well gesture.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    I wonder if he bothered to give Poland a heads up!

  257. @AP
    @Beckow


    Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol
     
    Russian and English wiki both stated 3,500 Ukrainian troops plus 800 Azovites in Mariupol.

    Ukraine has 250,00 military plus at least 100k reserves mobilized so even 15k in Mariupol would be less than 5% of Ukraine's military, which took about 6 weeks to be defeated despite being only 20 km from the prewar front line.

    Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war (so far they have failed to encircle/seize Kiev and Kharkiv), it makes sense to exaggerate the number of Ukrainian defenders.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    Well, that wiki number has been altered. Three brigades were listed there.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    The brigades there could have had as few as 1,000 soldiers. At least some personnel from the brigades listed as being in Mariupol were fighting outside Kiev.

    Replies: @Beckow

  258. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    You are intentionally - and retroactively - downplaying the situation in Mariupol. That is not what you, Laxa and the Western media were saying previously. But ok, we are familiar with the sour grapes Aesop fable, have at it if it makes you feel better.

    Ukraine started the war with half a million soldiers of varied quality. The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has. The ones in Mariupol have been neutralized - Russians claim up to 10k, others say 3k, it was clearly a defeat. Another defeat was Kherson. Lugansk republic is almost fully taken by the LNR forces. The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed. Kiev has almost no air force and no navy. You are wrong about assessing the lack of victories. Sour grapes.

    Strategically for a smaller force to win requires time and maneuvers - Russia attacked with only 200k soldiers. The same happened in every war. Ukraine is the largest country defending itself in the last 30 years. Half a million well-armed soldiers who have been preparing for years and are from a good fighting stock. That means the war will take time and losses on both sides. That's why it was so important to avoid it and Kiev refused - now they will settle for a worse deal after the unnecessary war.

    You are not a realist and that is a problem. The opposite of realism is not-realism - in other words, you attempt to live outside of the realities we face. You think that by not being a realist you represent higher ideas - a noble idealism of sorts. It doesn't work that way, there is no such thing as idealism, other than in your mind.

    This is a relatively simple situation: an unnecessary war fought over overly ambitious and unrealistic dreams by some in Washington and Brussels that the Ukrainian people are paying a heavy price for. It is time to end it.

    Replies: @AP

    You are intentionally – and retroactively – downplaying the situation in Mariupol. That is not what you, Laxa and the Western media were saying previously.

    I don’t know about the others but you are lying about me.

    But ok, we are familiar with the sour grapes Aesop fable

    Sour grapes adequately described what Russians write about Ukraine.

    Ukraine started the war with half a million soldiers of varied quality.

    You make the Russian defeat sting less by lying about and exaggerating the number of Ukrainian troops.

    Ukraine started the war with 250,000 people in its military. Because Russia failed to take much territory, Ukraine has had time to mobilize and arm 100,000s more. It may have half a million now. Which is why Russia has no chance of conquering Ukraine. It can only bleed more while killing Ukrainian civilians and taking some lands incrementally until it runs out of soldiers to throw into the meatgrinder. Though for the last few days it has been losing ground around Kiev, Kharkiv and Sumy that compensate for land gained around Luhansk.

    The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has.

    Congratulations, you have finally managed to write something accurate and true. Was it a mistake?

    Indeed, that the 4,300 Ukrainian troops in Mariupol still manage to hold parts of the city after nearly 6 weeks reflects their high quality.

    Another defeat was Kherson

    Unlike Mariupol, Kherson wasn’t defended, the single Ukrainian brigade that was there retreated to Mykolaiv where the Russians were stopped before they could get closer to Odessa or block the roads to Odessa.

    Same story with Melitopol.

    There is an ongoing battle in Izium that Ukrainians may or may not lose eventually.

    Russia attacked with only 200k soldiers.

    Which is why a realist such as me concluded that Russia would not be able to seize all of Ukraine while an idealist such as Karlin estimated 90% chance of Ukraine losing the war in a week. You also assumed a quick Ukrainian defeat but didn’t provide a date IIRC because you are also not a realist.

    The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed. Kiev has almost no air force and no navy. You are wrong about assessing the lack of victories

    Review what I actually wrote – “Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war”

    Hitting factories and oil depots or bombing an airport is not a battle.

    The more desperate you become, the more you lie.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    If you get off your insane 'lies' terminology we could have a rational discussion. But usually you descend very quickly into hysterical ad hominem. People will give up on you.

    The points I made were:
    - Russia attacked with fewer troops than available to Kiev so it will inevitably take time
    - they won in the south-Kherson, Lugansk, Mariupol, etc...not bad after 35 days
    - Mariupol is a strategic defeat for Kiev, it completes the loss of Azov See and gives DPR what they wanted before the war. The losses in Mariupol are also very substantial. The fact that a few thousand dead-enders are resisting surrender is non-material. They have no chance of winning and can save themselves only through a peace treaty or surrender.
    - By the Western standards destroying weapons, oil, even infrastructure is a celebrated win - check out the gloating after Beograd, Iraq, etc... by the way, not a single NATO soldier came to Beograd, was that a "loss" by your standard?

    I never took a guess how long the war would take. In any project or initiative the timing is least important and hardest to predict. I stay away from timing estimates. You don't seem to understand that how long it takes is not very relevant, what matters is whether the aims are reached and at what cost. That holds true for both sides. So far on points Russia has achieved more than Kiev and at lower cost.

    If we get a stalemate, or today's map exists in 3-6 months, I will reassess who is winning. But closing our eyes to reality is just stupid. The same holds for gas-for-rubles, if in 6 months Russia gives up on it, it would be a loss. On the other hand, if EU pays in rubles - directly or through intermediaries - they would win. Looking at $-ruble exchange today, the market is betting that Russia will get what it wants. Pay attention to markets, people who put money into it tend be closer to reality.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Suddenly I began to hate...

  259. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Well, that wiki number has been altered. Three brigades were listed there.

    Replies: @AP

    The brigades there could have had as few as 1,000 soldiers. At least some personnel from the brigades listed as being in Mariupol were fighting outside Kiev.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ....At least some personnel from the brigades listed as being in Mariupol were fighting outside Kiev.
     
    Some? how many? few dozen or hundreds?

    Look this matters. Kiev clearly had a large force in Mariupol that mostly didn't get away. Russia claims that it destroyed 5k and took prisoner another 5k. You say that there are 4.3k defenders left. Given fog of war (and propaganda), we can't know for sure.

    Based on earlier Kiev and media coverage there had to be 12-15k Ukie defenders in Mariupol. Some probably got away, some were destroyed.

    What is your assessment of Kiev side?
    - how many at the beginning of war?
    - how many escaped the cauldron?
    - how many destroyed and taken POW?

    We know you think 4.3k are left fighting. What do you think awaits them? How many will escape in choppers? How many won't?

    Replies: @AP

  260. @AP
    @Beckow


    Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol
     
    Russian and English wiki both stated 3,500 Ukrainian troops plus 800 Azovites in Mariupol.

    Ukraine has 250,00 military plus at least 100k reserves mobilized so even 15k in Mariupol would be less than 5% of Ukraine's military, which took about 6 weeks to be defeated despite being only 20 km from the prewar front line.

    Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war (so far they have failed to encircle/seize Kiev and Kharkiv), it makes sense to exaggerate the number of Ukrainian defenders.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    Have you ever heard of ww2 battles like Caen? It was this coastal city with a set of critical road junctions the British were supposed to capture day 1 or 2 of DDay landings? In end the Germans concentrated a great deal of forces there. It was never surrounded but huge loses on both sides happened. Huge attritional battle that broke the Germans. Maruipol is probably more analogous with Cherbourg though. A port that the aamericans should have captured in a week as it was a key port. Kherson is the city at the estuary of the Dneiper anyway and that was gone in a few days. Might have been the only important city in Ukraine in a geostrategic sense. Kiev while the capital is landlocked like a river city on the Mississipppi. Kherson is more like New Orleans in terms of ruling the Dneiper.

    Mariupol looks like that sort of a hinge. Taking or losing it has been similar to sieges in ww2 Tobruk in North Africa, during the last 8 years.

    You sound like a troll at this point.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke


    Maruipol is probably more analogous with Cherbourg though. A port that the aamericans should have captured in a week as it was a key port.
     
    Per wiki Cherbourg was defended by 40,000 Germans and took the Americans 24 days to capture.

    Mariupol had 4,300 defenders and still hasn't been taken after more than 5 weeks, despite being 20 km by land from the front line.

    You sound like a troll at this point.
     
    Should I repaste your idiocy about Ukraine collapsing back in February?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @EddieSpaghetti

  261. AP says:
    @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Have you ever heard of ww2 battles like Caen? It was this coastal city with a set of critical road junctions the British were supposed to capture day 1 or 2 of DDay landings? In end the Germans concentrated a great deal of forces there. It was never surrounded but huge loses on both sides happened. Huge attritional battle that broke the Germans. Maruipol is probably more analogous with Cherbourg though. A port that the aamericans should have captured in a week as it was a key port. Kherson is the city at the estuary of the Dneiper anyway and that was gone in a few days. Might have been the only important city in Ukraine in a geostrategic sense. Kiev while the capital is landlocked like a river city on the Mississipppi. Kherson is more like New Orleans in terms of ruling the Dneiper.

    Mariupol looks like that sort of a hinge. Taking or losing it has been similar to sieges in ww2 Tobruk in North Africa, during the last 8 years.


    You sound like a troll at this point.

    Replies: @AP

    Maruipol is probably more analogous with Cherbourg though. A port that the aamericans should have captured in a week as it was a key port.

    Per wiki Cherbourg was defended by 40,000 Germans and took the Americans 24 days to capture.

    Mariupol had 4,300 defenders and still hasn’t been taken after more than 5 weeks, despite being 20 km by land from the front line.

    You sound like a troll at this point.

    Should I repaste your idiocy about Ukraine collapsing back in February?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Resistance is futile. I hope you’ve been buying Rubles.

    Replies: @A123

    , @EddieSpaghetti
    @AP

    Where do you get the figure that initially Mariupol had 4,300 defenders. The lowest estimate that I have seen was that they started with 14,500 defenders; the highest estimate I have seen was 20,000.

    Replies: @AP

  262. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are intentionally – and retroactively – downplaying the situation in Mariupol. That is not what you, Laxa and the Western media were saying previously.
     
    I don't know about the others but you are lying about me.

    But ok, we are familiar with the sour grapes Aesop fable
     
    Sour grapes adequately described what Russians write about Ukraine.

    Ukraine started the war with half a million soldiers of varied quality.
     
    You make the Russian defeat sting less by lying about and exaggerating the number of Ukrainian troops.

    Ukraine started the war with 250,000 people in its military. Because Russia failed to take much territory, Ukraine has had time to mobilize and arm 100,000s more. It may have half a million now. Which is why Russia has no chance of conquering Ukraine. It can only bleed more while killing Ukrainian civilians and taking some lands incrementally until it runs out of soldiers to throw into the meatgrinder. Though for the last few days it has been losing ground around Kiev, Kharkiv and Sumy that compensate for land gained around Luhansk.

    The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has.
     
    Congratulations, you have finally managed to write something accurate and true. Was it a mistake?

    Indeed, that the 4,300 Ukrainian troops in Mariupol still manage to hold parts of the city after nearly 6 weeks reflects their high quality.

    Another defeat was Kherson
     
    Unlike Mariupol, Kherson wasn't defended, the single Ukrainian brigade that was there retreated to Mykolaiv where the Russians were stopped before they could get closer to Odessa or block the roads to Odessa.

    Same story with Melitopol.

    There is an ongoing battle in Izium that Ukrainians may or may not lose eventually.

    Russia attacked with only 200k soldiers.
     
    Which is why a realist such as me concluded that Russia would not be able to seize all of Ukraine while an idealist such as Karlin estimated 90% chance of Ukraine losing the war in a week. You also assumed a quick Ukrainian defeat but didn't provide a date IIRC because you are also not a realist.

    The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed. Kiev has almost no air force and no navy. You are wrong about assessing the lack of victories
     
    Review what I actually wrote - "Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war"

    Hitting factories and oil depots or bombing an airport is not a battle.

    The more desperate you become, the more you lie.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    If you get off your insane ‘lies‘ terminology we could have a rational discussion. But usually you descend very quickly into hysterical ad hominem. People will give up on you.

    The points I made were:
    – Russia attacked with fewer troops than available to Kiev so it will inevitably take time
    – they won in the south-Kherson, Lugansk, Mariupol, etc…not bad after 35 days
    – Mariupol is a strategic defeat for Kiev, it completes the loss of Azov See and gives DPR what they wanted before the war. The losses in Mariupol are also very substantial. The fact that a few thousand dead-enders are resisting surrender is non-material. They have no chance of winning and can save themselves only through a peace treaty or surrender.
    – By the Western standards destroying weapons, oil, even infrastructure is a celebrated win – check out the gloating after Beograd, Iraq, etc… by the way, not a single NATO soldier came to Beograd, was that a “loss” by your standard?

    I never took a guess how long the war would take. In any project or initiative the timing is least important and hardest to predict. I stay away from timing estimates. You don’t seem to understand that how long it takes is not very relevant, what matters is whether the aims are reached and at what cost. That holds true for both sides. So far on points Russia has achieved more than Kiev and at lower cost.

    If we get a stalemate, or today’s map exists in 3-6 months, I will reassess who is winning. But closing our eyes to reality is just stupid. The same holds for gas-for-rubles, if in 6 months Russia gives up on it, it would be a loss. On the other hand, if EU pays in rubles – directly or through intermediaries – they would win. Looking at $-ruble exchange today, the market is betting that Russia will get what it wants. Pay attention to markets, people who put money into it tend be closer to reality.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    On the other hand, if EU pays in rubles – directly or through intermediaries – they would win. Looking at $-ruble exchange today, the market is betting that Russia will get what it wants. Pay attention to markets, people who put money into it tend be closer to reality.
     
    As I pointed out above:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-183-russia-ukraine/#comment-5264351


    Russia will continue accepting payment in euros which will be exchanged for rubles by Gazprom bank.
     
    Russia is not going to suicide by demanding Rubles. At they same time they refuse to hold a failing currency like the Euro. The F/X transaction to immediately convert EUR to RUB will be priced into per bbl cost.

    PEACE 😇

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Mariupol is a strategic defeat for Kiev,
     
    You don't grasp the purpose of the martyr city Mariupol. Mariupol is being held so that the Ukrainian troops can fight off Russians elsewhere, they have held the bigger weight to save others and to save the capital.

    Replies: @Aedib, @Beckow

  263. @AP
    @Wokechoke


    Maruipol is probably more analogous with Cherbourg though. A port that the aamericans should have captured in a week as it was a key port.
     
    Per wiki Cherbourg was defended by 40,000 Germans and took the Americans 24 days to capture.

    Mariupol had 4,300 defenders and still hasn't been taken after more than 5 weeks, despite being 20 km by land from the front line.

    You sound like a troll at this point.
     
    Should I repaste your idiocy about Ukraine collapsing back in February?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @EddieSpaghetti

    Resistance is futile. I hope you’ve been buying Rubles.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    I hope you’ve been buying Rubles.
     
    What is the availability of investment grade, Russian minted, Palladium coins?

    That strategy could be a two-fer for industrial metals and the Ruble.

    PEACE 😇
  264. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    The brigades there could have had as few as 1,000 soldiers. At least some personnel from the brigades listed as being in Mariupol were fighting outside Kiev.

    Replies: @Beckow

    ….At least some personnel from the brigades listed as being in Mariupol were fighting outside Kiev.

    Some? how many? few dozen or hundreds?

    Look this matters. Kiev clearly had a large force in Mariupol that mostly didn’t get away. Russia claims that it destroyed 5k and took prisoner another 5k. You say that there are 4.3k defenders left. Given fog of war (and propaganda), we can’t know for sure.

    Based on earlier Kiev and media coverage there had to be 12-15k Ukie defenders in Mariupol. Some probably got away, some were destroyed.

    What is your assessment of Kiev side?
    – how many at the beginning of war?
    – how many escaped the cauldron?
    – how many destroyed and taken POW?

    We know you think 4.3k are left fighting. What do you think awaits them? How many will escape in choppers? How many won’t?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    You say that there are 4.3k defenders left.
     
    There you go again, lying. Why object to that term when you lie?

    I was simply quoting both Russian and English wiki that claimed a total of 3,500 Ukrainian regular military plus 800 Azov forces in that city during the battle. Not how any are left.

    Based on earlier Kiev and media coverage there had to be 12-15k Ukie defenders in Mariupol.
     
    I don't recall reading such numbers. On what do you base your claim.

    What do you think awaits them?
     
    They will either fight to the end, as Slavs often do, or until some of them will surrender.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  265. @Sean

    The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has
     
    The Americans refused to supply the Azov regiment with advanced weapons or give them training, so they are likely not as formidable compared to other Ukrainian units as their reputation suggested

    The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed
     
    They are asking for 500 Javelins a week. They are not going to run out of artillery ammunition, drones to target indirect fire, or trucks. More advanced weapons' like the switchblades will take time but eventually be arriving in quantity

    That means the war will take time and losses on both sides. That’s why it was so important to avoid it and Kiev refused – now they will settle for a worse deal after the unnecessary war.
     
    Zelensky would not be allowed to agree to a peace that ceded territory. The longer this goes on the better and the more chance they will get all of Donbass back. That is the way the Ukrainians are thinking at present it seems to me.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The problem will be getting that gear to anywhere near the action in the south.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Wokechoke

    As you say, Russian forces will benefit from concentrating on Donetsk because there they will have the shorter supply lines and start from position to close a huge pocket. But the forces left near Kiev are going to be very vulnerable, berms or not.

  266. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @AP

    If you get off your insane 'lies' terminology we could have a rational discussion. But usually you descend very quickly into hysterical ad hominem. People will give up on you.

    The points I made were:
    - Russia attacked with fewer troops than available to Kiev so it will inevitably take time
    - they won in the south-Kherson, Lugansk, Mariupol, etc...not bad after 35 days
    - Mariupol is a strategic defeat for Kiev, it completes the loss of Azov See and gives DPR what they wanted before the war. The losses in Mariupol are also very substantial. The fact that a few thousand dead-enders are resisting surrender is non-material. They have no chance of winning and can save themselves only through a peace treaty or surrender.
    - By the Western standards destroying weapons, oil, even infrastructure is a celebrated win - check out the gloating after Beograd, Iraq, etc... by the way, not a single NATO soldier came to Beograd, was that a "loss" by your standard?

    I never took a guess how long the war would take. In any project or initiative the timing is least important and hardest to predict. I stay away from timing estimates. You don't seem to understand that how long it takes is not very relevant, what matters is whether the aims are reached and at what cost. That holds true for both sides. So far on points Russia has achieved more than Kiev and at lower cost.

    If we get a stalemate, or today's map exists in 3-6 months, I will reassess who is winning. But closing our eyes to reality is just stupid. The same holds for gas-for-rubles, if in 6 months Russia gives up on it, it would be a loss. On the other hand, if EU pays in rubles - directly or through intermediaries - they would win. Looking at $-ruble exchange today, the market is betting that Russia will get what it wants. Pay attention to markets, people who put money into it tend be closer to reality.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    On the other hand, if EU pays in rubles – directly or through intermediaries – they would win. Looking at $-ruble exchange today, the market is betting that Russia will get what it wants. Pay attention to markets, people who put money into it tend be closer to reality.

    As I pointed out above:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-183-russia-ukraine/#comment-5264351

    Russia will continue accepting payment in euros which will be exchanged for rubles by Gazprom bank.

    Russia is not going to suicide by demanding Rubles. At they same time they refuse to hold a failing currency like the Euro. The F/X transaction to immediately convert EUR to RUB will be priced into per bbl cost.

    PEACE 😇

  267. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ....At least some personnel from the brigades listed as being in Mariupol were fighting outside Kiev.
     
    Some? how many? few dozen or hundreds?

    Look this matters. Kiev clearly had a large force in Mariupol that mostly didn't get away. Russia claims that it destroyed 5k and took prisoner another 5k. You say that there are 4.3k defenders left. Given fog of war (and propaganda), we can't know for sure.

    Based on earlier Kiev and media coverage there had to be 12-15k Ukie defenders in Mariupol. Some probably got away, some were destroyed.

    What is your assessment of Kiev side?
    - how many at the beginning of war?
    - how many escaped the cauldron?
    - how many destroyed and taken POW?

    We know you think 4.3k are left fighting. What do you think awaits them? How many will escape in choppers? How many won't?

    Replies: @AP

    You say that there are 4.3k defenders left.

    There you go again, lying. Why object to that term when you lie?

    I was simply quoting both Russian and English wiki that claimed a total of 3,500 Ukrainian regular military plus 800 Azov forces in that city during the battle. Not how any are left.

    Based on earlier Kiev and media coverage there had to be 12-15k Ukie defenders in Mariupol.

    I don’t recall reading such numbers. On what do you base your claim.

    What do you think awaits them?

    They will either fight to the end, as Slavs often do, or until some of them will surrender.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Technically the way that Jodie Zelenskyy press ganged every man into this massacre every Ukrainian speaking man in town is a combatant.

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...On what do you base your claim.
     
    In late February both Financial Times and DW used that estimate for 'Mariupol front'. That could be a larger area or not. I have no idea what they based the estimate on. Russia says that they 'destroyed' 5k and took 5k POWs - the videos show hundreds of POWs.

    ...fight to the end or surrender
     
    Well, obviously, there are no other options. The sun will also rise tomorrow - also obviously :).

    I am worried about how are you going to handle the coming tragedy in Ukraine (sincerely worried). This has been building up for years and the cataclysm will be brutal: nobody will get what they want, and all involved will regret ever getting into this mess. It goes back to the Maidan and whether it was handled well - I said all along that no, it wasn't, it was a gradual disaster for all sides involved. It unleashed medieval furies and here we are. Slavs often do that too...check out our history.

    Replies: @AP

  268. @AP
    @Aedib

    Your gloating was premature. Most of the ones evacuated escaped, only 1 of the 4 helicoptors was downed:



    https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1509574299006521354?s=20&t=gE0mOLfaK7QtCMsU6J4RQw

    Replies: @Aedib

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    It’s gonna be some SAS or whatnot

  269. Surprise? Not at all.

  270. There are rumors floating around that two of the intelligence officials who died in the helicopter crash were French. This would explain Macron’s frenetic attempts at an evacuation. Incidentally, the french military’s intelligence head was fired today, after only 7 months on the job.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Thulean Friend

    I wonder how high NATO losses have been, couple of hundred I would guess.

  271. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Resistance is futile. I hope you’ve been buying Rubles.

    Replies: @A123

    I hope you’ve been buying Rubles.

    What is the availability of investment grade, Russian minted, Palladium coins?

    That strategy could be a two-fer for industrial metals and the Ruble.

    PEACE 😇

  272. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are intentionally – and retroactively – downplaying the situation in Mariupol. That is not what you, Laxa and the Western media were saying previously.
     
    I don't know about the others but you are lying about me.

    But ok, we are familiar with the sour grapes Aesop fable
     
    Sour grapes adequately described what Russians write about Ukraine.

    Ukraine started the war with half a million soldiers of varied quality.
     
    You make the Russian defeat sting less by lying about and exaggerating the number of Ukrainian troops.

    Ukraine started the war with 250,000 people in its military. Because Russia failed to take much territory, Ukraine has had time to mobilize and arm 100,000s more. It may have half a million now. Which is why Russia has no chance of conquering Ukraine. It can only bleed more while killing Ukrainian civilians and taking some lands incrementally until it runs out of soldiers to throw into the meatgrinder. Though for the last few days it has been losing ground around Kiev, Kharkiv and Sumy that compensate for land gained around Luhansk.

    The troops in Mariupol and Donbas are among the best Kiev has.
     
    Congratulations, you have finally managed to write something accurate and true. Was it a mistake?

    Indeed, that the 4,300 Ukrainian troops in Mariupol still manage to hold parts of the city after nearly 6 weeks reflects their high quality.

    Another defeat was Kherson
     
    Unlike Mariupol, Kherson wasn't defended, the single Ukrainian brigade that was there retreated to Mykolaiv where the Russians were stopped before they could get closer to Odessa or block the roads to Odessa.

    Same story with Melitopol.

    There is an ongoing battle in Izium that Ukrainians may or may not lose eventually.

    Russia attacked with only 200k soldiers.
     
    Which is why a realist such as me concluded that Russia would not be able to seize all of Ukraine while an idealist such as Karlin estimated 90% chance of Ukraine losing the war in a week. You also assumed a quick Ukrainian defeat but didn't provide a date IIRC because you are also not a realist.

    The stocks of weapons, oil and defense plants have been destroyed. Kiev has almost no air force and no navy. You are wrong about assessing the lack of victories
     
    Review what I actually wrote - "Since Mariupol may be the only battle that Russia wins in this war"

    Hitting factories and oil depots or bombing an airport is not a battle.

    The more desperate you become, the more you lie.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    Suddenly I began to hate…

  273. @AP
    @Beckow


    You say that there are 4.3k defenders left.
     
    There you go again, lying. Why object to that term when you lie?

    I was simply quoting both Russian and English wiki that claimed a total of 3,500 Ukrainian regular military plus 800 Azov forces in that city during the battle. Not how any are left.

    Based on earlier Kiev and media coverage there had to be 12-15k Ukie defenders in Mariupol.
     
    I don't recall reading such numbers. On what do you base your claim.

    What do you think awaits them?
     
    They will either fight to the end, as Slavs often do, or until some of them will surrender.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Technically the way that Jodie Zelenskyy press ganged every man into this massacre every Ukrainian speaking man in town is a combatant.

  274. @Aedib
    @AP

    Actually 2 out of 4.

    https://southfront.org/more-details-on-interception-of-ukrainian-helicopters-near-mariupol-revealed/

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s gonna be some SAS or whatnot

  275. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I see you are planning to escape from your deranged posts here. Probably a good choice.


    Not yet and there were just 3000 Ukrainians soldiers there.
     
    Yes, "yet". Even the most anti-Russian Western media estimated that there were 12-15k Ukie soldiers in Mariupol. There are maybe 3k left, surrounded and with no chance to win. What happened to the others? If this is a Kiev victory for the desperation PR now has a new face. Mariupol is in Russian hands.

    NATO wasn’t in Ukraine but now they are.
     
    NATO was in Ukraine and now will not be. See, I fixed it for you. Read the Western media - that's is what they say: 'Kiev will agree to a neutral Ukraine not in NATO" - google the phrase, you will be surprised how much things have changed since January.

    Russia’s best friends literally did nothing for Russia.
     
    Really? China has supported Russia economically and diplomatically. So has India and governments that represent about 80% of the global population (West has about 20%). If this is "nothing" why is Washington desperately yelling and threatening China and others? Even Turkey refused to do sanctions.

    I agree that Azov is often used as a short-hand, but there are fewer Azov-like military forces now than there were a month ago.

    You failed to answer any substantive points. Russia is winning on points.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    I agree that Azov is often used as a short-hand, but there are fewer Azov-like military forces now than there were a month ago.

    Azov is not a group of men, but a movement (the so called Азов Рух which includes the civilian corps, volunteers, a political party, etc). They were always loved by the people, but now they will gain immortality.

    [MORE]

    The commander was still alive 10 hours ago. The founder is most likely still alive, too.

    “Cattle die
    kinsmen die
    all men are mortal.
    Words of praise
    will never perish
    nor a noble name.”

    The Words of the High One

    • Troll: RadicalCenter
  276. @Beckow
    @AP

    If you get off your insane 'lies' terminology we could have a rational discussion. But usually you descend very quickly into hysterical ad hominem. People will give up on you.

    The points I made were:
    - Russia attacked with fewer troops than available to Kiev so it will inevitably take time
    - they won in the south-Kherson, Lugansk, Mariupol, etc...not bad after 35 days
    - Mariupol is a strategic defeat for Kiev, it completes the loss of Azov See and gives DPR what they wanted before the war. The losses in Mariupol are also very substantial. The fact that a few thousand dead-enders are resisting surrender is non-material. They have no chance of winning and can save themselves only through a peace treaty or surrender.
    - By the Western standards destroying weapons, oil, even infrastructure is a celebrated win - check out the gloating after Beograd, Iraq, etc... by the way, not a single NATO soldier came to Beograd, was that a "loss" by your standard?

    I never took a guess how long the war would take. In any project or initiative the timing is least important and hardest to predict. I stay away from timing estimates. You don't seem to understand that how long it takes is not very relevant, what matters is whether the aims are reached and at what cost. That holds true for both sides. So far on points Russia has achieved more than Kiev and at lower cost.

    If we get a stalemate, or today's map exists in 3-6 months, I will reassess who is winning. But closing our eyes to reality is just stupid. The same holds for gas-for-rubles, if in 6 months Russia gives up on it, it would be a loss. On the other hand, if EU pays in rubles - directly or through intermediaries - they would win. Looking at $-ruble exchange today, the market is betting that Russia will get what it wants. Pay attention to markets, people who put money into it tend be closer to reality.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Mariupol is a strategic defeat for Kiev,

    You don’t grasp the purpose of the martyr city Mariupol. Mariupol is being held so that the Ukrainian troops can fight off Russians elsewhere, they have held the bigger weight to save others and to save the capital.

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @LatW

    Same arguments used by the Germans after Stalingrad: “Die but save your brother”.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...purpose of the martyr city Mariupol.
     
    First of all, Russia doesn't seem to want Kiev - why would they negotiate with the government in Kiev if they planned to storm the city? Think.

    Second, martyrdom only serves a purpose if it stops something larger. (Even then, it is an odd way to fight.) Russian army will do the opposite after Mariupol, they will consolidate, move on to other targets, and have a safe hinterland behind them. There is no larger purpose served by the martyrdom. Maybe eventually some poetry or statues...

    Replies: @LatW, @RadicalCenter

  277. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Mariupol is a strategic defeat for Kiev,
     
    You don't grasp the purpose of the martyr city Mariupol. Mariupol is being held so that the Ukrainian troops can fight off Russians elsewhere, they have held the bigger weight to save others and to save the capital.

    Replies: @Aedib, @Beckow

    Same arguments used by the Germans after Stalingrad: “Die but save your brother”.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    When Zelenskyy mentioned Stalingrad one assumes he meant the Soviet Defence. He may have meant the Hitler order to Paulus to defend until suiciding himself.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

  278. @AP
    @Beckow


    You say that there are 4.3k defenders left.
     
    There you go again, lying. Why object to that term when you lie?

    I was simply quoting both Russian and English wiki that claimed a total of 3,500 Ukrainian regular military plus 800 Azov forces in that city during the battle. Not how any are left.

    Based on earlier Kiev and media coverage there had to be 12-15k Ukie defenders in Mariupol.
     
    I don't recall reading such numbers. On what do you base your claim.

    What do you think awaits them?
     
    They will either fight to the end, as Slavs often do, or until some of them will surrender.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    …On what do you base your claim.

    In late February both Financial Times and DW used that estimate for ‘Mariupol front‘. That could be a larger area or not. I have no idea what they based the estimate on. Russia says that they ‘destroyed’ 5k and took 5k POWs – the videos show hundreds of POWs.

    …fight to the end or surrender

    Well, obviously, there are no other options. The sun will also rise tomorrow – also obviously :).

    I am worried about how are you going to handle the coming tragedy in Ukraine (sincerely worried). This has been building up for years and the cataclysm will be brutal: nobody will get what they want, and all involved will regret ever getting into this mess. It goes back to the Maidan and whether it was handled well – I said all along that no, it wasn’t, it was a gradual disaster for all sides involved. It unleashed medieval furies and here we are. Slavs often do that too…check out our history.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    …On what do you base your claim.

    In late February both Financial Times and DW used that estimate for ‘Mariupol front‘.
     
    I haven't seen it, the only concreter numbers I've seen were 3,500+800. I tried to check by looking up the units in Mariupol and saw one of them had a strength of 1,200 a couple of years ago which would seem to match the Russian wikipedia total. I also saw that some soldiers assigned to the units in Mariupol were fighting and getting killed outside Kiev, which would also support the low figure.

    Russia says that they ‘destroyed’ 5k and took 5k POWs –
     
    Do you assume the Russian government is more honest than the Ukrainian one?

    the videos show hundreds of POWs.
     
    This would not contradict a total of 4,300 before the siege.

    Replies: @Beckow

  279. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Mariupol is a strategic defeat for Kiev,
     
    You don't grasp the purpose of the martyr city Mariupol. Mariupol is being held so that the Ukrainian troops can fight off Russians elsewhere, they have held the bigger weight to save others and to save the capital.

    Replies: @Aedib, @Beckow

    …purpose of the martyr city Mariupol.

    First of all, Russia doesn’t seem to want Kiev – why would they negotiate with the government in Kiev if they planned to storm the city? Think.

    Second, martyrdom only serves a purpose if it stops something larger. (Even then, it is an odd way to fight.) Russian army will do the opposite after Mariupol, they will consolidate, move on to other targets, and have a safe hinterland behind them. There is no larger purpose served by the martyrdom. Maybe eventually some poetry or statues…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Russia doesn’t seem to want Kiev
     
    Oh yea? So they threw their soldiers to death in such large numbers just like that? Not to mention the equipment. The Russian Federation has been substantially demilitarized through this (they like the word). The truth is that Russia wanted all of Ukraine, it could've easily just kept Donbas but there wasn't much to gain from that anymore.

    Remember, a few months back you pondered, "Hm, I wonder who gets to keep Kyiv? Russians or Ukrainians?". And I told you back then that the Ukrainians will keep it.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Beckow

    Won’t be many people in the ukraine or in the world who can read those ukrainian poems, as people living the Russian borderland (“ukraine”), whether Russian- and/or Ukrainian-speaking don’t have many children. “Ukrainians” are a rapidly aging, dwindling, dying people.

    Since Russian and Ukrainian are so close, however, at least the Russian-speakers in the world will be able to make out what those delusional “ukrainian” poets have written about their “heroes.”

    Replies: @AP

  280. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...On what do you base your claim.
     
    In late February both Financial Times and DW used that estimate for 'Mariupol front'. That could be a larger area or not. I have no idea what they based the estimate on. Russia says that they 'destroyed' 5k and took 5k POWs - the videos show hundreds of POWs.

    ...fight to the end or surrender
     
    Well, obviously, there are no other options. The sun will also rise tomorrow - also obviously :).

    I am worried about how are you going to handle the coming tragedy in Ukraine (sincerely worried). This has been building up for years and the cataclysm will be brutal: nobody will get what they want, and all involved will regret ever getting into this mess. It goes back to the Maidan and whether it was handled well - I said all along that no, it wasn't, it was a gradual disaster for all sides involved. It unleashed medieval furies and here we are. Slavs often do that too...check out our history.

    Replies: @AP

    …On what do you base your claim.

    In late February both Financial Times and DW used that estimate for ‘Mariupol front‘.

    I haven’t seen it, the only concreter numbers I’ve seen were 3,500+800. I tried to check by looking up the units in Mariupol and saw one of them had a strength of 1,200 a couple of years ago which would seem to match the Russian wikipedia total. I also saw that some soldiers assigned to the units in Mariupol were fighting and getting killed outside Kiev, which would also support the low figure.

    Russia says that they ‘destroyed’ 5k and took 5k POWs –

    Do you assume the Russian government is more honest than the Ukrainian one?

    the videos show hundreds of POWs.

    This would not contradict a total of 4,300 before the siege.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    This is not about honesty but about what we can observe. You are the only one convinced that there were only 4.3k Ukies defending Mariupol. It doesn't match many of the facts coming out, but we don't have a full accounting - and maybe never will.

    In general, Russia holds information back and doesn't seem to care much for PR other than at home. Ukraine is all over the map claiming things that are true, half-true and outright made up - they are more active in the story management. But you can learn from both if you take that into account.

    Replies: @AP

  281. @Aedib
    @LatW

    Same arguments used by the Germans after Stalingrad: “Die but save your brother”.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    When Zelenskyy mentioned Stalingrad one assumes he meant the Soviet Defence. He may have meant the Hitler order to Paulus to defend until suiciding himself.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke

    To win a war, one must be ready not only to kill, but also to die. One is dying for his homeland so a worthy cause. You may not understand.

    Btw, they could've left, but they didn't want to leave their wounded behind...

    , @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    Paulus to defend until suiciding himself
     
    And please don't make dishonest and ridiculous comparisons. Paulus was an occupier on foreign soil.

    The Azov heroes are standing on their ancestral land and the land that their children are entitled to. That is a fundamental difference.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Aedib

  282. @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    When Zelenskyy mentioned Stalingrad one assumes he meant the Soviet Defence. He may have meant the Hitler order to Paulus to defend until suiciding himself.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    To win a war, one must be ready not only to kill, but also to die. One is dying for his homeland so a worthy cause. You may not understand.

    Btw, they could’ve left, but they didn’t want to leave their wounded behind…

  283. @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Here’s a fun one.

    Putin proposes to return Konigsberg back to Germany as a good well gesture.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I wonder if he bothered to give Poland a heads up!

  284. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...purpose of the martyr city Mariupol.
     
    First of all, Russia doesn't seem to want Kiev - why would they negotiate with the government in Kiev if they planned to storm the city? Think.

    Second, martyrdom only serves a purpose if it stops something larger. (Even then, it is an odd way to fight.) Russian army will do the opposite after Mariupol, they will consolidate, move on to other targets, and have a safe hinterland behind them. There is no larger purpose served by the martyrdom. Maybe eventually some poetry or statues...

    Replies: @LatW, @RadicalCenter

    Russia doesn’t seem to want Kiev

    Oh yea? So they threw their soldiers to death in such large numbers just like that? Not to mention the equipment. The Russian Federation has been substantially demilitarized through this (they like the word). The truth is that Russia wanted all of Ukraine, it could’ve easily just kept Donbas but there wasn’t much to gain from that anymore.

    Remember, a few months back you pondered, “Hm, I wonder who gets to keep Kyiv? Russians or Ukrainians?”. And I told you back then that the Ukrainians will keep it.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Hitler’s main mistake was capturing Kiev. The EEZ and coast is worth 100x the dying river city that is Kiev. Kherson is far more valuable in that sense as well. Kiev is just full of Museum Cossacks.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Beckow
    @LatW

    You have created a narrative that is not true, but I won't change your mind. Russia simply maneuvered in the north and north-east to tie down Kiev forces. It worked. A massive frontal attack against an entrenched and resupplied Ukie army in Donbass wouldn't work - it is still a rough going even with Ukies having to defend all over.

    They said that they don't want Kiev, it made no military sense to attack it, and they had no resources there to do it - you are making up the narrative as a palliative for the other losses. The thing about "demiltarised" Russia is intriguing, are you heading towards Moscow any day now?

  285. @AP
    @Wokechoke


    Maruipol is probably more analogous with Cherbourg though. A port that the aamericans should have captured in a week as it was a key port.
     
    Per wiki Cherbourg was defended by 40,000 Germans and took the Americans 24 days to capture.

    Mariupol had 4,300 defenders and still hasn't been taken after more than 5 weeks, despite being 20 km by land from the front line.

    You sound like a troll at this point.
     
    Should I repaste your idiocy about Ukraine collapsing back in February?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @EddieSpaghetti

    Where do you get the figure that initially Mariupol had 4,300 defenders. The lowest estimate that I have seen was that they started with 14,500 defenders; the highest estimate I have seen was 20,000.

    • Replies: @AP
    @EddieSpaghetti

    Russian wiki:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8F

    I haven't seen other figures in a quick google search.

  286. I admire the Japanese for having territorial disputes with two nuclear powers.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    Lol, this was always a primary motivation of theirs to intervene on East Asian continent, to build a buffer zone, their version of Belgium, against a resurgent Yuan Mongol-like Empire. Which previous took the form of Russia, then USSR, and then USSR-PRC alliance. Now its in the form a potential PRC-RusFed alliance.

    It mirrors German history in many ways, for instance former Handelsblatt editor wrote this piece, I'm sure there are near exact sentiments in Japan discussed to turn away from pacificism,


    It took the worst European war of aggression since Hitler’s to turn Germany’s political culture from messianic naivete to common sense. But sometimes it takes centuries to get off a Sonderweg. Putin may yet wreck the continent. But in this one way, he’s changed German history for the better.

     

    https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/putin-s-invasion-of-ukraine-has-fixed-a-flaw-in-german-history

    Wouldn’t count the Jucheists out yet, either. And they were created with the help of the Chinese.
     
    Soviets primarily. The CPC and CPK were "brother parties", but both were under auspices of CPSU.

    Replies: @songbird

  287. @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    When Zelenskyy mentioned Stalingrad one assumes he meant the Soviet Defence. He may have meant the Hitler order to Paulus to defend until suiciding himself.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    Paulus to defend until suiciding himself

    And please don’t make dishonest and ridiculous comparisons. Paulus was an occupier on foreign soil.

    The Azov heroes are standing on their ancestral land and the land that their children are entitled to. That is a fundamental difference.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    No they aren’t. 2022 is the last time these characters see the Azov Sea.

    , @Aedib
    @LatW

    Azovites are not heroes. They are (they were) brutal occupiers on the ancestral land of Donbass people.

    Replies: @AP

  288. @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    Paulus to defend until suiciding himself
     
    And please don't make dishonest and ridiculous comparisons. Paulus was an occupier on foreign soil.

    The Azov heroes are standing on their ancestral land and the land that their children are entitled to. That is a fundamental difference.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Aedib

    No they aren’t. 2022 is the last time these characters see the Azov Sea.

  289. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Russia doesn’t seem to want Kiev
     
    Oh yea? So they threw their soldiers to death in such large numbers just like that? Not to mention the equipment. The Russian Federation has been substantially demilitarized through this (they like the word). The truth is that Russia wanted all of Ukraine, it could've easily just kept Donbas but there wasn't much to gain from that anymore.

    Remember, a few months back you pondered, "Hm, I wonder who gets to keep Kyiv? Russians or Ukrainians?". And I told you back then that the Ukrainians will keep it.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Hitler’s main mistake was capturing Kiev. The EEZ and coast is worth 100x the dying river city that is Kiev. Kherson is far more valuable in that sense as well. Kiev is just full of Museum Cossacks.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke


    The EEZ and coast is worth 100x the dying river city that is Kiev.
     
    Does Beckow hear the sour grapes? Lol.
  290. @EddieSpaghetti
    @AP

    Where do you get the figure that initially Mariupol had 4,300 defenders. The lowest estimate that I have seen was that they started with 14,500 defenders; the highest estimate I have seen was 20,000.

    Replies: @AP

  291. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Hitler’s main mistake was capturing Kiev. The EEZ and coast is worth 100x the dying river city that is Kiev. Kherson is far more valuable in that sense as well. Kiev is just full of Museum Cossacks.

    Replies: @AP

    The EEZ and coast is worth 100x the dying river city that is Kiev.

    Does Beckow hear the sour grapes? Lol.

  292. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    In the land war, though, missiles with conventional warheads do not cause much destruction relative for their cost. Things like airbases, can repair runways within a few hours of the missile attack.
     
    For decades, America has typically employed salvos of cruise missiles "to send a message." Probably these attacks have usually been tactically cost-ineffective, e.g. blowing up that aspirin factory in Sudan, but surely very useful in intimidating other countries.

    However, based upon more recent Syrian cases, I think Russian air defenses can now shoot them down pretty easily. I'd assume that Russian air defenses in their own country and Ukraine would be vastly more effective at the same thing.

    Similarly, except if targeting capital ships like carriers, Russian hypersonic attacks probably would be cost-ineffective tactically but perhaps very useful strategically. For example, blowing up that base with 30 (or maybe 200) foreign fighters plus (allegedly) lots of American and British intelligence officers may have really "sent a message" to NATO.

    Totally destroying the NATO HQ in Brussels at a pre-specified time would probably send a vastly more powerful message, potentially worth tens of billions of dollars of strategic impact. So it might be highly cost-effective even if it required a full salvo of hypersonics, costing many, many millions of dollars.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).

    But if a warhead is conventional, the damage from one attack, would be small and not have likely military significance between countries. If the warhead is nuclear (tactical or strategic weapons) then it would create military signifance, but there would create a response of the same weapons (so fortunately not likely between nuclear powers).

    have usually been tactically cost-ineffective, e.g. blowing up that aspirin factory in Sudan,

    This is why ground-launched cruise missiles are not always so useful, because they only go to fixed targets you have seen from ground or satellite images, which are already in the target bank

    You can have bad intelligence, or even good intelligence which is too old (maybe by minutes) and you destroy a useless building.

    Whereas drones like Bayraktar TB2, can find the new targets with real time, have no “sense shooter delay”, are very difficult to intercept for air defense.

    Also modern strike fighters with targeting pods can find new targets. Planes like Eurofighter Typhoon are added with targeting pods which are able to find new targets on the ground during its flying. Currently in the Russian air force there are no planes with targeting pods and you can see the effect now in Ukraine with no attacks with e.g. guided weapons against moving targets.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).
     
    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Until recently, I've only very rarely visited the Karlin threads, so I don't really have a good sense of who you are. But my casual impression is that you're some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish leanings, who's very enthusiastic about videos. You've mostly cluttered up these threads so so many videos including Reddit videos that people complained to me. Therefore, I'd guess you're much more likely to be some sort of video-gamer expert than someone with the serious knowledge of military matters you seem to spout off about.

    I'm absolutely no military expert myself, but I don't pretend to be. Based upon the experience in Syria, I think Russia's S-300s and S-400s have been pretty effective at shooting down American cruise missiles under difficult conditions, and I'd assume Moscow's defenses are filled with them. So I'd be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you're saying?

    Meanwhile, I'd think our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.

    Replies: @Sean, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    , @Sean
    @Dmitry


    Currently in the Russian air force there are no planes with targeting pods and you can see the effect now in Ukraine with no attacks with e.g. guided weapons against moving targets.
     
    Not sure about this. I think they have those kind of planes but not the smart bombs for the planes to use from a safe distance which has led to them losing some of their best planes. I have read the sanctions since 2014 have put a stop to Russian manufacture of smart bombs, because they use foreign components that Russia can only acquire in small quantities at huge cost.

    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).
     
    The response to hitting Nato HQ would hardly be hitting any building in the Kremlin, because the response to hitting a building on the Kremlin with a conventional cruise missile would be to attack something similarly in Washington DC. Also,. the Russians may not be able to shoot down a cruise missile but they probably would know it was coming, but not not know it was a not a nuclear cruise missile heading for Moscow.

    Thee miniature cruise missiles called switchblade drones and other advanced technology US weapons are going to be more relevant in the coming months. They may in the quantities the US is cabale of supplying them, take an unsustainable toll on the Russian army even though it is now going to have the advantages of defence around kiev and shorter supply lines in the east, The question is will America really try to give Ukraine everything it asks for? If so Russia will be heading for real military defeat, and at that point they might up the anti with a strike on some Nato facility to signal that they will escalate before accepting a loss. I do not think America will let it come to that, because Putin failing and saving face is the preferred US outcome. An actual clear defeat of Putin's forces by Ukraine is not something America really ought to want, because it would be too destablising.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  293. @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    Morgenshtern now prophetically a few months ahead of trend (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8y3z-I9VP4.)

    With the elite countries being as we know very difficult to enter from Russia for badly organized people who did not plan their life, and all accommodation overbooked in Armenia, Georgia et al.

    If I had a startup with team of employees in Russia (which is not any of my real life problems or anything I would know about organizing), I would be now speculating if I could re-locate in this theoretical scenario a team perhaps to Chile to still be accepted by international investors.

    Nobody talks about Chile, but they supposedly promote a "hi tech scene" there. For Russians it is very easy to learn Spanish (surprisingly similar language) to level to allow for daily living.

    It's definitely not an elite country, so I assume it would be easy to apply for working visas. On the other hand, standard of living is probably not so bad at all in Santiago for urban professionals. But perhaps it would not be so easy, as the politicians there have a lot of pressure from anti-immigrant sentiment protesters at the moment ( https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/venezuelan-migrants-chile-face-fiery-anti-immigration-protests-rcna2358 )

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Philip Owen

    Chile is an interesting case. The economy is robust. It has actually become a centre of inbound migration from across Spanish speaking America. So, it has increasingly strict immigration laws but probably has ways of letting in the skilled. It’s had some mid level manufacturing like electric motors for a long time. However, it also has copper (mostly owned by Serb interests I believe – used to be Welsh), the previously lithium (the best grade in the world, so far the only usable ore) and guano (Do not laugh. The world is short of fertilizer) not to mention fresh produce.

    So yes. A relatively modernized country with a good lifestyle. A decent base. Also a route into the Spanish language market for software. A place to grow a bit before being taken out by the big Anglo firms.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Philip Owen


    Chile is an interesting case. It’s had some mid level manufacturing like electric motors for a long time. Also a route into the Spanish language market for software. A place to grow a bit before being taken out by the big Anglo firms.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/brkPQYS.png

    Chile's per capita GDP is very close to Poland's so the two become natural comparisons. Neither is especially impressive on innovation when you measure their investment into R&D. South Korea had a much higher share of their GDP invested into R&D at a comparable stage of development. But at least Poland is slowly moving up whereas Chile is stuck at the bottom.

    Given Chile's lackluster interest in innovation, it's hard to see how they could become a base for software exports or any other high-skill activity. It's a classic "resource curse" country.


    A relatively modernized country with a good lifestyle
     
    I think this is the real draw. Chile has nice weather and a laid-back culture (very reminiscent of Spain's reputation in Europe), so perhaps it can be lucrative for individual so-called "digital nomads" to move to, but a serious base of innovation seem to be off the cards.

    So, it has increasingly strict immigration laws but probably has ways of letting in the skilled
     

    Chile's anti-immigration riots should be seen in the context of the former president Michelet letting in a very large amount of Haitian immigrants, who had very little possibility of integrating into the local economy. The recent anti-Venezuelan riots are largely for the same reason. There's also a racial subtext. A significant fraction of Venezuelan citizens are either wholly or partly of black ancestry and there is a color hierarchy in Latinx America just as there is everywhere else.

    However, now that Biden is becoming ever more liberal on border enforcement, perhaps Chile will see most of them simply move northwards towards the US-Mexico border.

  294. @songbird
    @A123


    However, the current White House dribbler
     
    Have there been previous ones? Maybe, FDR after he had his stroke?

    Do you mean that China is attempting to curry favour with the European WEF Elites of Davos?
     
    Klaus Schwab is surprisingly not super rich. But I suppose it would be hard to bribe some of the others.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Hey, don’t forget about Barack the dribbler! He liked to get on court for some performative blackness.

    • LOL: songbird
  295. @Wokechoke
    @utu

    The Russians are fighting a version of the Parachute Regiment and the Royal Marine Commando given the weaponry and doctrine. It’s both reassuring and alarming. It’s Literally why the Russians had to strike now. If they gave the advisors another year they might have been unable to cross the borders. Especially if the RAF and USAF started to train.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I think it’s kind of crazy to compare these disorganized, asset-stripped postsoviet militaries, with the professional British army.

    You can look at videos in the Falklands War (1982) and see how professional, well equipped, organized British soldiers (also calm in their incompetent disasters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo0BNYGgEV4.), compared to postsoviet militaries, with mix match equipment, semi-trained soldiers, improvised logistics, air force with civilian avionic equipment inside the planes, etc.

    gave the advisors another year they might have been unable

    I read there were 100 SAS (Special Air Service),helping units in Ukraine for a few weeks. According to reports it was to train them to use NLAW.

    Many of the forces in Ukraine will be not very trained though and Territorial Defense Forces are mainly untrained volunteers.

    If there will be months of fighting, even untrained volunteers, however, can surely become increasingly effective, in a kind of evolutionary way (unsuccessful units are destroyed, volunteers develop experience from real life).

    unable to cross the borders. Especially if the RAF and USAF started to train.

    RAF would have destroyed invading columns in the first hours with Brimstone missiles from Eurofighter Typhoons, with their targeting pod that can find moving tanks. https://www.eurofighter.com/the-aircraft

    But RAF is advanced, is because Great Britain is a wealthy hi-tech country, with money for training its pilots, advanced equipment, centuries of military training. Even RAF pilots have around 200 hours of training in air per year. (Almost double training hours of Russian air force pilots). It’s because RAF has much more money available.

    There is no possibility Ukraine could become like this, as Ukraine is a postsoviet country without much money available for a modern air force.

    One of the “hi-tech” equipments of Ukraine, is using DJI phantoms to throw an improvised version of RKG-1600 against parked vehicles at night.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Dmitry

    Goose Green is one of the great examples of a professional officer buffing a victory in recent history.

  296. @Dmitry
    @Wokechoke

    I think it's kind of crazy to compare these disorganized, asset-stripped postsoviet militaries, with the professional British army.

    You can look at videos in the Falklands War (1982) and see how professional, well equipped, organized British soldiers (also calm in their incompetent disasters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo0BNYGgEV4.), compared to postsoviet militaries, with mix match equipment, semi-trained soldiers, improvised logistics, air force with civilian avionic equipment inside the planes, etc.


    gave the advisors another year they might have been unable
     
    I read there were 100 SAS (Special Air Service),helping units in Ukraine for a few weeks. According to reports it was to train them to use NLAW.

    Many of the forces in Ukraine will be not very trained though and Territorial Defense Forces are mainly untrained volunteers.

    If there will be months of fighting, even untrained volunteers, however, can surely become increasingly effective, in a kind of evolutionary way (unsuccessful units are destroyed, volunteers develop experience from real life).


    unable to cross the borders. Especially if the RAF and USAF started to train.
     
    RAF would have destroyed invading columns in the first hours with Brimstone missiles from Eurofighter Typhoons, with their targeting pod that can find moving tanks. https://www.eurofighter.com/the-aircraft

    But RAF is advanced, is because Great Britain is a wealthy hi-tech country, with money for training its pilots, advanced equipment, centuries of military training. Even RAF pilots have around 200 hours of training in air per year. (Almost double training hours of Russian air force pilots). It's because RAF has much more money available.

    There is no possibility Ukraine could become like this, as Ukraine is a postsoviet country without much money available for a modern air force.

    One of the "hi-tech" equipments of Ukraine, is using DJI phantoms to throw an improvised version of RKG-1600 against parked vehicles at night.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Goose Green is one of the great examples of a professional officer buffing a victory in recent history.

  297. @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    Paulus to defend until suiciding himself
     
    And please don't make dishonest and ridiculous comparisons. Paulus was an occupier on foreign soil.

    The Azov heroes are standing on their ancestral land and the land that their children are entitled to. That is a fundamental difference.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Aedib

    Azovites are not heroes. They are (they were) brutal occupiers on the ancestral land of Donbass people.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Aedib


    Azovites are not heroes. They are (they were) brutal occupiers on the ancestral land of Donbass people.
     
    Azov is centered in Kharkiv but are mostly eastern Ukrainians. There are certainly some natives of Donbas among them, here is one who died:

    https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%96%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
  298. AP says:
    @Aedib
    @LatW

    Azovites are not heroes. They are (they were) brutal occupiers on the ancestral land of Donbass people.

    Replies: @AP

    Azovites are not heroes. They are (they were) brutal occupiers on the ancestral land of Donbass people.

    Azov is centered in Kharkiv but are mostly eastern Ukrainians. There are certainly some natives of Donbas among them, here is one who died:

    https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%96%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

  299. Will Warhol’s art be worth crap all in 2100?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    They're going up in value in AZ. A couple of years ago you could buy an original for $.50. Today, they're selling for about $1.00/can: :-)


    https://i.etsystatic.com/18613030/r/il/0da304/2805178470/il_794xN.2805178470_afj6.jpg

  300. BMP-2 in a war zone, continues to have these results. BMP-2 like a human barbeque machine cooking its crew to ashes.

    BMP was not very protected in 1973 almost 50 years ago, in the Yom Kippur war, used by Egyptian and Syrian forces (almost 120 BMP-1 of Syria and Egypt, were lost in October 1973).

    Since the Afghan war (1979-1989), it has been common for soldiers to sit on the outside of BMP-2 due to its lack of comfort or protection.

    In 2010, even BMP-3 (introduced 1990) has been described by General Vladimir Popovkin as the “metal coffin”. In 2022, BMP-2 is still the main vehicle.

    https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1509563845920100358

    It is like smaller recreation (small exhibit in the museum) for some scenes of the Maikop at Central Railway Station in Grozny in 1 January 1995, where mainly BMP-2 were actually what journalists say were “tanks” destroyed.

  301. @songbird
    Will Warhol's art be worth crap all in 2100?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    They’re going up in value in AZ. A couple of years ago you could buy an original for $.50. Today, they’re selling for about $1.00/can: 🙂

    [MORE]

    • LOL: songbird
  302. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10674293/Ukraines-Zelenskiy-says-situation-places-tough-fires-officials.html

    Looks like Putin isn’t the only one irritated by underlings’ performance. I wonder if they were advocating for letting the South and East go to consolidate efforts? That might explain Zelensky’s charge of betraying their oath to defend Ukraine.

  303. @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).

    But if a warhead is conventional, the damage from one attack, would be small and not have likely military significance between countries. If the warhead is nuclear (tactical or strategic weapons) then it would create military signifance, but there would create a response of the same weapons (so fortunately not likely between nuclear powers).


    have usually been tactically cost-ineffective, e.g. blowing up that aspirin factory in Sudan,
     
    This is why ground-launched cruise missiles are not always so useful, because they only go to fixed targets you have seen from ground or satellite images, which are already in the target bank

    You can have bad intelligence, or even good intelligence which is too old (maybe by minutes) and you destroy a useless building.

    Whereas drones like Bayraktar TB2, can find the new targets with real time, have no "sense shooter delay", are very difficult to intercept for air defense.

    Also modern strike fighters with targeting pods can find new targets. Planes like Eurofighter Typhoon are added with targeting pods which are able to find new targets on the ground during its flying. Currently in the Russian air force there are no planes with targeting pods and you can see the effect now in Ukraine with no attacks with e.g. guided weapons against moving targets.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Sean

    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).

    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Until recently, I’ve only very rarely visited the Karlin threads, so I don’t really have a good sense of who you are. But my casual impression is that you’re some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish leanings, who’s very enthusiastic about videos. You’ve mostly cluttered up these threads so so many videos including Reddit videos that people complained to me. Therefore, I’d guess you’re much more likely to be some sort of video-gamer expert than someone with the serious knowledge of military matters you seem to spout off about.

    I’m absolutely no military expert myself, but I don’t pretend to be. Based upon the experience in Syria, I think Russia’s S-300s and S-400s have been pretty effective at shooting down American cruise missiles under difficult conditions, and I’d assume Moscow’s defenses are filled with them. So I’d be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you’re saying?

    Meanwhile, I’d think our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Ron Unz

    Gaming is not without relevance, this fellow is interesting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSdZU2tzZdM

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    I expected the Russians up north would drive around doing a lot of shooting. Then leave.
    I didn't contemplate a rather larger capture of the Dneiper estuary happening at the same time. Dnieper is something like the Mississipi or Rhine for the Ukrainians.

    The airlanding at various airports seems to have been an attempt at a coup but the Russians never had more than 30,000 soldiers in Belorussia. They couldn't have captured a capital city with 5 million unless there was serious bluffing and local support to welcome them. In the end the supply column was a FUSAG sort of deception it appears to have not existed.

    Replies: @AP, @V. K. Ovelund

    , @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz


    some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish
     
    Lol I was going to thank you for your support for this excellent forum. After our polite discussions, I'm not sure why you want to stereotype me as if you are in negative disputation with me, "young", "pro-Western", "Russian", "Neoconish" (I would prefer if you said "neoliberal" in this last one).

    Of course, I have no professional knowledge relating to military, let alone missile defense (and I don't think any missile defense commanders post in your forum). I'm just a causal reader, who sometimes reads "defense journalists" as hobby. Still we amateurs can share what we read and some one might find it interesting. I hope I do not mislabel opinion with factual claims. I'm usually trying to be careful to label my posts as opinions and add links where I read something.


    I’d be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you’re saying?

     

    Air defense against planes is not considered hermetic and missile defense less hermetic. Intercepting missiles would be usually more difficult than intercepting planes, other things equal. There are often texts showing skepticism whether missile defense is a plausible investment.

    Many people seem to be skeptical about interception rates for current systems. Here is a skeptical article about missile defense ( https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/global-missile-defense-race-strong-test-records-and-poor-operational-performance ) This skepticism is not completely strange or controversial position, as these claims are repeated across multiple resources.

    As an amateur, I'm not in position to decide whether these kind of claims are correct. Maybe there are much more knowledgeable people in the forum, who will correct me. But in terms of maximal claims, it's possible for us to notice that you don't often read anyone that said these systems are hermetic.


    our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.
     
    Even if interception rate was high with one missile, it would be less high if you send many missiles, assuming the missile defense system is not hermetic.

    As for whether Brussels has some kind of defense against subsonic (let alone the hypersonic) cruise missiles. Reading "The Military Balance 2021", it does not list that Belgium has any landbase SAMs currently for intercepting cruise missiles.

    According to "Benelux Security Cooperation: A New European Defense Community?" (2019). It sounds like Brussels does not have much air defense and this is "problematic within the alliance (NATO)".

    https://i.imgur.com/VUCtAwE.jpg

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @utu

  304. @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).

    But if a warhead is conventional, the damage from one attack, would be small and not have likely military significance between countries. If the warhead is nuclear (tactical or strategic weapons) then it would create military signifance, but there would create a response of the same weapons (so fortunately not likely between nuclear powers).


    have usually been tactically cost-ineffective, e.g. blowing up that aspirin factory in Sudan,
     
    This is why ground-launched cruise missiles are not always so useful, because they only go to fixed targets you have seen from ground or satellite images, which are already in the target bank

    You can have bad intelligence, or even good intelligence which is too old (maybe by minutes) and you destroy a useless building.

    Whereas drones like Bayraktar TB2, can find the new targets with real time, have no "sense shooter delay", are very difficult to intercept for air defense.

    Also modern strike fighters with targeting pods can find new targets. Planes like Eurofighter Typhoon are added with targeting pods which are able to find new targets on the ground during its flying. Currently in the Russian air force there are no planes with targeting pods and you can see the effect now in Ukraine with no attacks with e.g. guided weapons against moving targets.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Sean

    Currently in the Russian air force there are no planes with targeting pods and you can see the effect now in Ukraine with no attacks with e.g. guided weapons against moving targets.

    Not sure about this. I think they have those kind of planes but not the smart bombs for the planes to use from a safe distance which has led to them losing some of their best planes. I have read the sanctions since 2014 have put a stop to Russian manufacture of smart bombs, because they use foreign components that Russia can only acquire in small quantities at huge cost.

    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).

    The response to hitting Nato HQ would hardly be hitting any building in the Kremlin, because the response to hitting a building on the Kremlin with a conventional cruise missile would be to attack something similarly in Washington DC. Also,. the Russians may not be able to shoot down a cruise missile but they probably would know it was coming, but not not know it was a not a nuclear cruise missile heading for Moscow.

    Thee miniature cruise missiles called switchblade drones and other advanced technology US weapons are going to be more relevant in the coming months. They may in the quantities the US is cabale of supplying them, take an unsustainable toll on the Russian army even though it is now going to have the advantages of defence around kiev and shorter supply lines in the east, The question is will America really try to give Ukraine everything it asks for? If so Russia will be heading for real military defeat, and at that point they might up the anti with a strike on some Nato facility to signal that they will escalate before accepting a loss. I do not think America will let it come to that, because Putin failing and saving face is the preferred US outcome. An actual clear defeat of Putin’s forces by Ukraine is not something America really ought to want, because it would be too destablising.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Sean


    have those kind of planes

     

    Well, looking in the media, there were reports last year, that 8 planes would have a targeting pod installed by 2022. It is very new and perhaps not clear if these planes' systems are actually operational now. (Russian resource only https://web.archive.org/web/20210622161101/https://tass.ru/ural-news/11712627)

    not know it was a not a nuclear cruise missile heading for Moscow
     
    Sure, unless this information was somehow declared, it could be nuclear warhead and perhaps might be responded with nuclear weapons, as the same missiles can have conventional or nuclear warheads. But I was discussing to Ron's hypothetical scenario above.

    miniature cruise missiles called switchblade drones
     
    From what I read, there are only 100 of the smaller Switchblade drone (Switchblade 300).

    USA is still not agreeing to transfer things like anti-ship missiles to Ukraine.

    However, in the British media, you can read that Boris Johnson (Prime Minister of the UK) wants to send wider category of weapons to Ukraine including vehicles. He was saying this week "Would armour, would APCs (armoured personnel carriers) be useful for them (or) armoured Land Rovers? We are certainly looking at that.”" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-military-ukraine-mariupol-b2047341.html

  305. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).
     
    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Until recently, I've only very rarely visited the Karlin threads, so I don't really have a good sense of who you are. But my casual impression is that you're some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish leanings, who's very enthusiastic about videos. You've mostly cluttered up these threads so so many videos including Reddit videos that people complained to me. Therefore, I'd guess you're much more likely to be some sort of video-gamer expert than someone with the serious knowledge of military matters you seem to spout off about.

    I'm absolutely no military expert myself, but I don't pretend to be. Based upon the experience in Syria, I think Russia's S-300s and S-400s have been pretty effective at shooting down American cruise missiles under difficult conditions, and I'd assume Moscow's defenses are filled with them. So I'd be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you're saying?

    Meanwhile, I'd think our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.

    Replies: @Sean, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    Gaming is not without relevance, this fellow is interesting

  306. @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    Chile is an interesting case. The economy is robust. It has actually become a centre of inbound migration from across Spanish speaking America. So, it has increasingly strict immigration laws but probably has ways of letting in the skilled. It's had some mid level manufacturing like electric motors for a long time. However, it also has copper (mostly owned by Serb interests I believe - used to be Welsh), the previously lithium (the best grade in the world, so far the only usable ore) and guano (Do not laugh. The world is short of fertilizer) not to mention fresh produce.

    So yes. A relatively modernized country with a good lifestyle. A decent base. Also a route into the Spanish language market for software. A place to grow a bit before being taken out by the big Anglo firms.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Chile is an interesting case. It’s had some mid level manufacturing like electric motors for a long time. Also a route into the Spanish language market for software. A place to grow a bit before being taken out by the big Anglo firms.


    Chile’s per capita GDP is very close to Poland’s so the two become natural comparisons. Neither is especially impressive on innovation when you measure their investment into R&D. South Korea had a much higher share of their GDP invested into R&D at a comparable stage of development. But at least Poland is slowly moving up whereas Chile is stuck at the bottom.

    Given Chile’s lackluster interest in innovation, it’s hard to see how they could become a base for software exports or any other high-skill activity. It’s a classic “resource curse” country.

    A relatively modernized country with a good lifestyle

    I think this is the real draw. Chile has nice weather and a laid-back culture (very reminiscent of Spain’s reputation in Europe), so perhaps it can be lucrative for individual so-called “digital nomads” to move to, but a serious base of innovation seem to be off the cards.

    So, it has increasingly strict immigration laws but probably has ways of letting in the skilled

    Chile’s anti-immigration riots should be seen in the context of the former president Michelet letting in a very large amount of Haitian immigrants, who had very little possibility of integrating into the local economy. The recent anti-Venezuelan riots are largely for the same reason. There’s also a racial subtext. A significant fraction of Venezuelan citizens are either wholly or partly of black ancestry and there is a color hierarchy in Latinx America just as there is everywhere else.

    However, now that Biden is becoming ever more liberal on border enforcement, perhaps Chile will see most of them simply move northwards towards the US-Mexico border.

  307. @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The problem will be getting that gear to anywhere near the action in the south.

    Replies: @Sean

    As you say, Russian forces will benefit from concentrating on Donetsk because there they will have the shorter supply lines and start from position to close a huge pocket. But the forces left near Kiev are going to be very vulnerable, berms or not.

  308. @Thulean Friend
    There are rumors floating around that two of the intelligence officials who died in the helicopter crash were French. This would explain Macron's frenetic attempts at an evacuation. Incidentally, the french military's intelligence head was fired today, after only 7 months on the job.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    I wonder how high NATO losses have been, couple of hundred I would guess.

  309. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    The planes are merely a symbolic issue anyway, the number of MiGs from Eastern EU states that could be given away can’t be that high
     
    By the way, there was some talk about the Warsaw Pact weapons that the Federal Germany took over from GDR. Some of those may even have been constructed by Ukrainians back in the day. The Ukrainians inquired about those weapons. But Germany apparently did an inventory and said there was very little left of use.

    The Ukrainian Air Force has actually been very efficient. They are taking out Russian Su's in respectable numbers. There is a limited number of pilots Russia possesses (each pilot takes like $8M and years to get trained & prepared). If it wasn't for the Ukrainian Air Force (including the famous Ghost of Kyiv, who apparently was real), much more damage would probably have been inflicted by Russia. So more planes for Ukraine definitely would've helped (potentially changed the course of the war in Ukraine's favor even earlier, although the turn of March 25 has been sensational as it is).

    Replies: @German_reader

    But Germany apparently did an inventory and said there was very little left of use.

    It’s claimed they were stored inadequately and have been affected by mould.
    Last thing I read is that Germany is looking into buying arms for Ukraine from arms manufacturers. Existing stocks in Germany are too low apparently.

  310. “On an individual level, one of the positive effects of war is that it makes people feel more alive, alert, and awake. In James’ words, it “redeem[s] life from flat degeneration.” It supplies meaning and purpose, transcending the monotony of everyday life. As James puts it, “Life seems cast upon a higher plane of power.” Warfare also enables the expression of higher human qualities that often lie dormant in ordinary life, such as discipline, courage, unselfishness, and self-sacrifice.”

    From an old “Psychology Today” article. Okay, this is not rigorous journal, but the point rings true for me as I observe how U.S. politicians of both parties, and media, have a new-found spring in their heel. And of course, one immediately associates the phrase “flat degeneration” with the U.S. President. Many people are critical of psychologists, but war-related behavioral dynamics deserve serious attention right now. Maybe world leaders would recognize themselves in such essays, and alter their behavior.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @A123
    @SafeNow


    one immediately associates the phrase “flat degeneration” with the U.S. President. Many people are critical of psychologists, but war-related behavioral dynamics deserve serious attention right now.
     
    The fight must be moral to generate a patriotic response from the public. Not-The-President Biden has taken bribes. His potential successor has traded sexual favours for political advancement. Neither one has a viable appeal to patriotism.

    Any war attempt by the failing regime will be viewed suspiciously. The Air Force effectively scuttled the fake President's "No Fly Zone" initiative for Ukraine by making it clear a Authorization for Use of Military Force [AUMF] would be required.

    That leaves Syria as the only open, current deployment that could be pumped. The White House occupant has been ordered to cravenly surrender at the JCPOA2 table. Attacking Iranian troops in Syria would not be permitted by his European WEF puppet masters.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  311. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Certainly Russia is looking for the way out. They miscalculated royally. They really thought that 'Zelensky regime' would collapse in 48 hours and EU and NATO and Germany, in particular, would have no time to raise real objections and would accept the fait accompli of annexation and the business between Germany and EU would continue as before. The miscalculation apart from the systemic deficiency of authoritarian and corrupt Putin regime comes from their arrogance and most importantly the utter contempt for Ukrainians as people. It may be called hubris. Certainly Germany was on board with Putin designs as it refused to provide arms to Ukraine two or so days before the invasion saying that it would be the waste of money as Ukraine would collapse within hours.

    It was the deep state of the UK and the US that had foresight to train Ukrainian army and began supplying it with weapons several months before the Russian invasion. This is very reassuring that in the background and below the ground there are real adults who are doing the right thing unperturbed by the theatrics of silly politicians and shallow media in the foreground. That Putin and his clique did ignore what was really happening shows that they just like the general public take for reality what is in the media. This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death, @German_reader

    This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.

    You’re really the ultimate authoritarian normie. Can’t be long before you demand that right-wingers (real ones, not the fake centrist whores) should be locked away, because they’re all “Russian assets” anyway. iirc you’ve already demanded in the past anyway that Jared Taylor and other racists and “IQists” should be sent to prison, so such solutions come easily to you.
    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.

    • Replies: @utu
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.
     
    You forget about the victory of globohomo in Moscow and its subsequent triumphalism. New secular tradition will be established to celebrated the victory over Putin's Russia by performing Pussy Riot Musical in the Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces where in the finale Karlin like figure of Russian nationalist is sodomized by a huge Negro in Ukrainian folk costume and at the moment of the climactic ecstasy on Karlin's face a ballet of twats like you in tutus dance in throwing rainbow petals and singing Cohen's Hallelujah.

    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven't had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Barbarossa

    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system
     
    Absolutely.

    Just as resistance was (finally!) beginning to spread deep into Normieville, with Democrats set to get decimated and RINOs unseated by MAGAs in the midterms, globohomo is granted a new lease on life by Russia - the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.

    We're cursed, lol.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @German_reader, @A123, @LondonBob

    , @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I appreciate your nuanced and critical views that you so often share with us here. As for utu's ability to influence the globohomo system's moral authority in the world today and ability to neutralize rightoid writers and their thought patterns, I think that they are doing a pretty good job of it and are responsible for putting themselves out of business. There are probably close to 15 articles right now circulating within this UNZ blogsite, all unfairly critical and unbalanced regarding Ukraine's role in today's war. I read them with unbelief sometimes and wonder about their real motivations? Even Michael Hudson's latest entry (otherwise a fine entry) is slanted against Ukraine. They all seem to blame Ukraine for this catastrophe, even though all that Ukraine is trying to do is defend itself against a truly unbalanced aggressor.

    Replies: @German_reader, @utu, @A123

    , @LatW
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine [..] gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.
     
    Maybe in the West, and, yes, for the West, it is a fight against these "autocrats", but not across Russia's immediate neighborhood. There is a multi-cultural element here, because help to Ukraine has come from many circles and many nationalities. But on the ground, it is not a given that the globo-homo will necessarily advance. On the contrary. The status of the Ukrainian has visibly risen. The Ukrainian is now the European (and maybe even global to some extent) kshatriya. They are martyrs and heroes in one. Martial values will become more admirable and immediate survival (and eventually reconstruction) needs will be prioritized, not "special group" rights. It doesn't mean people will be discriminated against, just that there will be less time and space for "woke" musings.

    If the Ukrainian is integrated into the larger European community, this will be a counterweight against the globo-homo, because, on average, the Ukrainian is more conservative than your average liberal Westerner. A lot, of course, depends on the negotiations with the EU, it is an open question what compromises can be reached there re: minority rights, etc. Of course, some in the elite may try to larp as "enlightened liberals", but your typical Cossack is very freedom loving and doesn't like being dictated to.

    Globo-homo typically arises from laxity of spirit, from comfort, from excess of resources, it has no place in a Spartan environment or in a "survival mode" environment. In the Spartan environment, which may appear around Russia, the masculine virtues will prevail. You have yourself admitted this before.



    As to the Azov, they will not disappear. As I mentioned, they are a movement, not a static group of people. They self-regenerate (as long as more children are born).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  312. If this just not some April Fool’s day prank, then true Ho Lee Fuk succesful mission from UA helis onto RF Belgorod city oil depot happened last night:

    reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ttjb1d/two_ukrainian_attack_helicopters_flying_low_over/

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Russia seems to have confirmed it.
    I wonder if this embarrassing incident has any larger implications for the state of Russia's air defenses.

    , @AP
    @sudden death

    Ukrainian government seems to deny it and claim false flag on the day of Russian mobilization. Which may be a smart thing to claim even if Ukraine did do it. Previously and air field and ammo dump have been bombed in Belgorod which is near the border. Would be funny (but unlikely) if Ukrainian forces that have pushed the Russians away from Kharkiv already managed to take or besiege Belgorod.

    Revenge for the hundreds of innocent cows that the retreating Russians machine gunned?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke

  313. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    If this just not some April Fool's day prank, then true Ho Lee Fuk succesful mission from UA helis onto RF Belgorod city oil depot happened last night:

    reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ttjb1d/two_ukrainian_attack_helicopters_flying_low_over/

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP

    Russia seems to have confirmed it.
    I wonder if this embarrassing incident has any larger implications for the state of Russia’s air defenses.

  314. German_reader says:

    Russian elites (and Russian society in general) rallying around Putin and supporting the war (with some Western actions possibly being counter-productive):
    https://faridaily.substack.com/p/now-were-going-to-fck-them-all-whats?s=r
    The bit about biolaboratories developing weapons against Slavs is just grotesque, that claim has some very strange implications.

  315. AP says:
    @sudden death
    If this just not some April Fool's day prank, then true Ho Lee Fuk succesful mission from UA helis onto RF Belgorod city oil depot happened last night:

    reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ttjb1d/two_ukrainian_attack_helicopters_flying_low_over/

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP

    Ukrainian government seems to deny it and claim false flag on the day of Russian mobilization. Which may be a smart thing to claim even if Ukraine did do it. Previously and air field and ammo dump have been bombed in Belgorod which is near the border. Would be funny (but unlikely) if Ukrainian forces that have pushed the Russians away from Kharkiv already managed to take or besiege Belgorod.

    Revenge for the hundreds of innocent cows that the retreating Russians machine gunned?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AP

    imho for RF type true false flag and rage incitement would have been more useful to strike some commie block instead of that oil depot then to show all those civilian victims and announce on all prop channels it was UA Tochka rocket or something like that on all available domestic&abroad propaganda channels.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    They could have come ingrowing season and trampled the fields.

  316. If there hadn’t been all those immigrants in California, the black population, and thus the money to be paid, would have been much higher.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Brás Cubas

    Sorry, wrong place. I should have posted this on Steve Sailer's blog.

  317. @Brás Cubas
    If there hadn't been all those immigrants in California, the black population, and thus the money to be paid, would have been much higher.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    Sorry, wrong place. I should have posted this on Steve Sailer’s blog.

  318. A123 says: • Website
    @SafeNow

    “On an individual level, one of the positive effects of war is that it makes people feel more alive, alert, and awake. In James’ words, it "redeem[s] life from flat degeneration." It supplies meaning and purpose, transcending the monotony of everyday life. As James puts it, "Life seems cast upon a higher plane of power." Warfare also enables the expression of higher human qualities that often lie dormant in ordinary life, such as discipline, courage, unselfishness, and self-sacrifice.”
     
    From an old “Psychology Today” article. Okay, this is not rigorous journal, but the point rings true for me as I observe how U.S. politicians of both parties, and media, have a new-found spring in their heel. And of course, one immediately associates the phrase “flat degeneration” with the U.S. President. Many people are critical of psychologists, but war-related behavioral dynamics deserve serious attention right now. Maybe world leaders would recognize themselves in such essays, and alter their behavior.

    Replies: @A123

    one immediately associates the phrase “flat degeneration” with the U.S. President. Many people are critical of psychologists, but war-related behavioral dynamics deserve serious attention right now.

    The fight must be moral to generate a patriotic response from the public. Not-The-President Biden has taken bribes. His potential successor has traded sexual favours for political advancement. Neither one has a viable appeal to patriotism.

    Any war attempt by the failing regime will be viewed suspiciously. The Air Force effectively scuttled the fake President’s “No Fly Zone” initiative for Ukraine by making it clear a Authorization for Use of Military Force [AUMF] would be required.

    That leaves Syria as the only open, current deployment that could be pumped. The White House occupant has been ordered to cravenly surrender at the JCPOA2 table. Attacking Iranian troops in Syria would not be permitted by his European WEF puppet masters.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Does Hunter Biden get performance reviews?

    Imagine his supe telling him "what you need to do is go on Oprah break down in tears and plead that you don't know what came over you and you will do your best to make amends. Maybe say you are lucky you aren't in Roman Empire where your only possible maneuver would be to disembowel yourself with your sword. Something like that. Use your own words."

  319. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).
     
    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Until recently, I've only very rarely visited the Karlin threads, so I don't really have a good sense of who you are. But my casual impression is that you're some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish leanings, who's very enthusiastic about videos. You've mostly cluttered up these threads so so many videos including Reddit videos that people complained to me. Therefore, I'd guess you're much more likely to be some sort of video-gamer expert than someone with the serious knowledge of military matters you seem to spout off about.

    I'm absolutely no military expert myself, but I don't pretend to be. Based upon the experience in Syria, I think Russia's S-300s and S-400s have been pretty effective at shooting down American cruise missiles under difficult conditions, and I'd assume Moscow's defenses are filled with them. So I'd be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you're saying?

    Meanwhile, I'd think our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.

    Replies: @Sean, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    I expected the Russians up north would drive around doing a lot of shooting. Then leave.
    I didn’t contemplate a rather larger capture of the Dneiper estuary happening at the same time. Dnieper is something like the Mississipi or Rhine for the Ukrainians.

    The airlanding at various airports seems to have been an attempt at a coup but the Russians never had more than 30,000 soldiers in Belorussia. They couldn’t have captured a capital city with 5 million unless there was serious bluffing and local support to welcome them. In the end the supply column was a FUSAG sort of deception it appears to have not existed.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Nonsense. The Russians (like their tools here) were expecting the Ukrainian government and elites to flee Kiev and for resistance to be unorganized and ad hoc. For this purpose, elite paratroopers and a couple 10,000 troops including lots of OMON would have been sufficient and appropriate. Instead they fell into a trap.

    Very unlikely that the Russians would have deliberately allowed a lot of their elite paratroopers to be recklessly wasted like this in a false flag. This is just your cope. Instead it looks like the Russian really were going for a quick decapitation. Mass firings in Moscow further support that this was a major error.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @Wokechoke


    In the end the supply column was a FUSAG sort of deception ...
     
    FUSAG? Care to let me in on the jargon?

    ... it appears to have not existed.
     
    Interesting. Reference?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  320. @A123
    @SafeNow


    one immediately associates the phrase “flat degeneration” with the U.S. President. Many people are critical of psychologists, but war-related behavioral dynamics deserve serious attention right now.
     
    The fight must be moral to generate a patriotic response from the public. Not-The-President Biden has taken bribes. His potential successor has traded sexual favours for political advancement. Neither one has a viable appeal to patriotism.

    Any war attempt by the failing regime will be viewed suspiciously. The Air Force effectively scuttled the fake President's "No Fly Zone" initiative for Ukraine by making it clear a Authorization for Use of Military Force [AUMF] would be required.

    That leaves Syria as the only open, current deployment that could be pumped. The White House occupant has been ordered to cravenly surrender at the JCPOA2 table. Attacking Iranian troops in Syria would not be permitted by his European WEF puppet masters.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Does Hunter Biden get performance reviews?

    Imagine his supe telling him “what you need to do is go on Oprah break down in tears and plead that you don’t know what came over you and you will do your best to make amends. Maybe say you are lucky you aren’t in Roman Empire where your only possible maneuver would be to disembowel yourself with your sword. Something like that. Use your own words.”

    • LOL: A123
  321. @AP
    @sudden death

    Ukrainian government seems to deny it and claim false flag on the day of Russian mobilization. Which may be a smart thing to claim even if Ukraine did do it. Previously and air field and ammo dump have been bombed in Belgorod which is near the border. Would be funny (but unlikely) if Ukrainian forces that have pushed the Russians away from Kharkiv already managed to take or besiege Belgorod.

    Revenge for the hundreds of innocent cows that the retreating Russians machine gunned?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke

    imho for RF type true false flag and rage incitement would have been more useful to strike some commie block instead of that oil depot then to show all those civilian victims and announce on all prop channels it was UA Tochka rocket or something like that on all available domestic&abroad propaganda channels.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death


    true false flag
     
    Btw, Oleh Zhdanov in the above interview speculates that some munitions could've self exploded there because they are old and not well maintained. Not sure if it's valid. Putin kept saying the UA air force has been disabled, so how come they hit Belgorod now? If they did do it, it's understandable, because it's a total war now. In a total war, neither side respects the other's border. Scary...

    Btw, did you hear that the Russians who were in Chernobyl, tried to dig in there and by doing so uncovered the really contaminated soil... got all sick and were taken to Belarus with radiation sickness, with permanent damage to their health... so cruel to the troops.

    Did you hear the insane stories about the "biolab birds" that are sent into Russia from the Ukrainian territory? The Bandera Birds, lol.

    And did you see Solovyov's whining about his lost properties in Italy....? From a couple of weeks ago... where he goes "Why do I need all this....".

    Insane...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @JL, @sudden death

  322. @AP
    @sudden death

    Ukrainian government seems to deny it and claim false flag on the day of Russian mobilization. Which may be a smart thing to claim even if Ukraine did do it. Previously and air field and ammo dump have been bombed in Belgorod which is near the border. Would be funny (but unlikely) if Ukrainian forces that have pushed the Russians away from Kharkiv already managed to take or besiege Belgorod.

    Revenge for the hundreds of innocent cows that the retreating Russians machine gunned?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke

    They could have come ingrowing season and trampled the fields.

  323. AP says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    I expected the Russians up north would drive around doing a lot of shooting. Then leave.
    I didn't contemplate a rather larger capture of the Dneiper estuary happening at the same time. Dnieper is something like the Mississipi or Rhine for the Ukrainians.

    The airlanding at various airports seems to have been an attempt at a coup but the Russians never had more than 30,000 soldiers in Belorussia. They couldn't have captured a capital city with 5 million unless there was serious bluffing and local support to welcome them. In the end the supply column was a FUSAG sort of deception it appears to have not existed.

    Replies: @AP, @V. K. Ovelund

    Nonsense. The Russians (like their tools here) were expecting the Ukrainian government and elites to flee Kiev and for resistance to be unorganized and ad hoc. For this purpose, elite paratroopers and a couple 10,000 troops including lots of OMON would have been sufficient and appropriate. Instead they fell into a trap.

    Very unlikely that the Russians would have deliberately allowed a lot of their elite paratroopers to be recklessly wasted like this in a false flag. This is just your cope. Instead it looks like the Russian really were going for a quick decapitation. Mass firings in Moscow further support that this was a major error.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    I didn’t say false flag. Is the idiom not understood by you? False Flag would have been Russian Paratroopers storming the Kremlin in Ukrainian uniforms.

    That was a “coup de main” attempt in Kiev. It didn’t work. But the over all effect will be shrunken Ukraine with no coastline.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mikhail
    @AP

    You don't takeover a country with the size and population of Ukraine with a 200,000 or under force. Having a good sized contingent outside Kiev keeps the adversary guessing, while making it more difficult for that adversary to give support to where the main area of fighting is taking place.

    As for noticeable firings, Zelensky has had his share, as well as the murder of one of the Kiev regime negotiators and tall tale stories later proven false - including killed or fired leading Russian military personnel. Likewise with the suggestion of elite Russian paratroopers getting mowed down en masse.

  324. A123 says: • Website

    It s worth repeating — The purpose of the Ukraine fight is WEF Elites maximizing the number of refugees. The fight will be extended for the maximum length of time. Ukraine defense will be helped and anything that can be used for offense will be quashed.

    Zerohedge asked the question “Who is coming across the border?”. In multiple cases the results are non-Ukrainians (1)

    More than 50 migrants clashed on Saturday night during a riot at a refugee facility in Munich as chairs and paving stones were used as weapons, prompting a huge police response.

    Bild cited a police source who said the overwhelming majority of the “refugees” were from the Sinti and Roma ethnic groups and that, “Only a fraction are really Ukrainian refugees.”

    “They have brand-new Ukrainian passports, which are also real. Someone in Ukraine is making a fortune right now,” the newspaper quoted the police representative as saying.

    The fight at the asylum center broke out “after authorities attempted to separate some of the individuals who have scabies,”

    The official Twitter account of the Roscommon GAA Gaelic football team recently deleted a tweet which showed that around half of the “Ukrainian refugees” they welcomed to a game weren’t exactly Slavic-looking.

    The reality of the situation is clear; Economic migrants from Africa, the Middle East and South Asia are cynically exploiting the Ukrainian refugee wave to abuse the system and get free accommodation and welfare in European countries with poor vetting systems.

    This comes at the expense of genuine Ukrainian refugees who need urgent help.

    The next phase of replacement is already being foretold. The groundwork is being laid for Food Shortage — Mass African Migration.

    Will Zemmour win in France and block the next round African Muslim invaders?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/someone-making-fortune-out-giving-non-ukrainian-migrants-fake-ukrainian-passports

    • Replies: @S
    @A123


    It s worth repeating — The purpose of the Ukraine fight is WEF Elites maximizing the number of refugees. The fight will be extended for the maximum length of time. Ukraine defense will be helped and anything that can be used for offense will be quashed.
     
    Along with the promotion of destabalizing wars, by cynically using the mass movements of people (manifesting in the form of wage slaves, ie so called 'cheap labor', and refugees) as a battering ram, a perverse form of people power, they hope to break up the already existing somewhat organic peoples, races, and ethnicities of the world and replace them with a wholly artificial 'new' man and woman who (in theory) will be citizens of a long sought after world state/empire.

    Along these same lines recently, and before Russia's invasion, I'd read of a Polish nationalist who had apparently realized this. He was of the belief that the Ukranians imported into Poland by exploitive business interests there during the past decades really needed to return to Ukraine, otherwise they would simply be a tool, a stepping stone, to be used against both the Polish and Ukrainian peoples as part of a never ending spiral of ever more 'diverse' peoplehood destroying 'migration'.

    Now, of course...

    Replies: @A123

  325. There is some kind of signal processing revolution in the Russian military that allows mid-flight hypersonic missile maneuvers and highly effective electronic warfare platforms. I haven’t found anything in Russian (not that I read Russian….)

    Terms of importance: Radiophotonics. Fiber optics. Photonic processors/Analog-digital CPUs.

    A series of technologies developed upon and matured for cost-effective target and computing solutions on the battlefield.

    11-GHz-Bandwidth Photonic Radar using MHz Electronics:
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/lpor.202100549

    PHOTONIC SIGNAL PROCESSING:
    https://www.ursi.org/proceedings/procGA02/papers/p0598.pdf

    I can only imagine the military implications of an integrated sensor network utilizing such a system (such as an S-300/400 battery or the new line of alpha strike missiles such as the Kinzhal, etc.).

    Not only in high resolution radar targeting (as in that paper) but also in signal discrimination for jamming or interception.

    As for the hybrid CPU it seems to be an attempt to speed up signal processing across multiple sensors by reducing the bottleneck clock speeds of digital signal processors.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Max Payne

    Not from what I've seen of Russian photonic capabilities. They don't have decent local wafer processing abilities. Constantly begging for samples from IQE.

  326. utu says:
    @German_reader
    @utu


    This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.
     
    You're really the ultimate authoritarian normie. Can't be long before you demand that right-wingers (real ones, not the fake centrist whores) should be locked away, because they're all "Russian assets" anyway. iirc you've already demanded in the past anyway that Jared Taylor and other racists and "IQists" should be sent to prison, so such solutions come easily to you.
    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia's actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it's selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.

    Replies: @utu, @silviosilver, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.

    You forget about the victory of globohomo in Moscow and its subsequent triumphalism. New secular tradition will be established to celebrated the victory over Putin’s Russia by performing Pussy Riot Musical in the Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces where in the finale Karlin like figure of Russian nationalist is sodomized by a huge Negro in Ukrainian folk costume and at the moment of the climactic ecstasy on Karlin’s face a ballet of twats like you in tutus dance in throwing rainbow petals and singing Cohen’s Hallelujah.

    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven’t had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @utu


    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven’t had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack.
     
    Even in one of your (very common!) fits of rage, I don't know what would possess you to say something so obviously moronic. I have read through many of your debates with various posters here, and I used to think you provided intelligent arguments against positions that I supported. I was aware you could become unreasonable when it was clear you were being trounced, but that is a perfectly ordinary human reaction and I made allowance for it.

    What has since become increasingly clear to me, however, is that, at bottom, you are just a bitter, babbling old fool. Unable to come to terms with realities that even you, deep down, are are aware are all too real, you simply lash out at anyone who points out their sociopolitical significance.

    Replies: @utu, @AP

    , @Barbarossa
    @utu


    repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven’t had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack
     
    I can't speak to German-reader's courage or lack of it, since this is, after all, an internet forum. As for dissenting opinions it seems like he has plenty. It's not like he's checking off some laundry list of Comfortable German Establishment Opinions with his views. Sadly, you'll have to put more work into your next insulting diatribe if you want it to land anywhere.
  327. Interesting the ultra neocon Times is worrying about a peace deal on their front page, accusing France, Germany and even the US of pushing for one. Sounds like the Russians have stepped up attacks in the Donbass, I expect once the Ukrainian army in Donbass is defeated and Mariupol is liberated a peace deal will be signed.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @LondonBob

    Oh come on, you're full on Moscow Bob now. Your comment history is a hilarious collection of oddly quasi-paranoid copes. You must recognise this. Are you English or did you just attend a provincial public school?

  328. @German_reader
    @utu


    This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.
     
    You're really the ultimate authoritarian normie. Can't be long before you demand that right-wingers (real ones, not the fake centrist whores) should be locked away, because they're all "Russian assets" anyway. iirc you've already demanded in the past anyway that Jared Taylor and other racists and "IQists" should be sent to prison, so such solutions come easily to you.
    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia's actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it's selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.

    Replies: @utu, @silviosilver, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system

    Absolutely.

    Just as resistance was (finally!) beginning to spread deep into Normieville, with Democrats set to get decimated and RINOs unseated by MAGAs in the midterms, globohomo is granted a new lease on life by Russia – the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.

    We’re cursed, lol.

    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver

    Well, Russian communists spoiled “socialism”or pro-worker policies due to association with the rotten Sovok regime, now Russia is playing the same role with respect to western right wing causes. Just as before, western useful idiots who shill for Russia contribute to this discreditation.

    , @sudden death
    @silviosilver

    Speaking realistically it's still not all over for those Putler bootlicking alleged antiglobohomists - Orban, Le Pen or Trump altogether have not that bad chances to win next elections in Hungary, France and USA.

    , @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    is granted a new lease on life by Russia – the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.
     
    Indeed. Fuck Russia and Russians for their stupid war, their war crimes and their moronic propaganda about biolabs or whatever that makes anyone look like a cretin who falls for it, fuck the Poles and Balts who delude themselves they can pursue their resentment-driven chauvinist projects while being loyal American vassals, fuck the Western normies with their endless bouts of media-induced hysteria, and fuck the pro-Russian Western right-wingers who believe in the most blatant Russian propaganda too. I hate all of them.
    The only decent people might be the Nazis from Azov, my respect goes out to them, but unfortunately they'll lose either way.

    Replies: @iffen

    , @A123
    @silviosilver

    Russia backed NS2, which was about WEF Elites forcing IslamoGloboHomo on Christian European nations such as Hungary. Now that NS2 is dead, Putin has a unique opportunity to drop IslamoGloboHomo and return to Christian (Orthodox) values. As MAGA wins in the U.S., America is on a trajectory to Christian, non-woke Protestant traditional values.

    Christian nations such as Hungary, Russia, and the U.S. are natural allies once the SJW contamination of Muslim leaders (e.g. Omar and Tlaib) are placed on the run.

    PEACE 😇

    , @LondonBob
    @silviosilver

    I read Orban is ahead and Le Pen is gaining on Macron...

  329. @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system
     
    Absolutely.

    Just as resistance was (finally!) beginning to spread deep into Normieville, with Democrats set to get decimated and RINOs unseated by MAGAs in the midterms, globohomo is granted a new lease on life by Russia - the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.

    We're cursed, lol.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @German_reader, @A123, @LondonBob

    Well, Russian communists spoiled “socialism”or pro-worker policies due to association with the rotten Sovok regime, now Russia is playing the same role with respect to western right wing causes. Just as before, western useful idiots who shill for Russia contribute to this discreditation.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, utu
  330. @utu
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.
     
    You forget about the victory of globohomo in Moscow and its subsequent triumphalism. New secular tradition will be established to celebrated the victory over Putin's Russia by performing Pussy Riot Musical in the Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces where in the finale Karlin like figure of Russian nationalist is sodomized by a huge Negro in Ukrainian folk costume and at the moment of the climactic ecstasy on Karlin's face a ballet of twats like you in tutus dance in throwing rainbow petals and singing Cohen's Hallelujah.

    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven't had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Barbarossa

    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven’t had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack.

    Even in one of your (very common!) fits of rage, I don’t know what would possess you to say something so obviously moronic. I have read through many of your debates with various posters here, and I used to think you provided intelligent arguments against positions that I supported. I was aware you could become unreasonable when it was clear you were being trounced, but that is a perfectly ordinary human reaction and I made allowance for it.

    What has since become increasingly clear to me, however, is that, at bottom, you are just a bitter, babbling old fool. Unable to come to terms with realities that even you, deep down, are are aware are all too real, you simply lash out at anyone who points out their sociopolitical significance.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @utu
    @silviosilver

    "I don’t know what would possess you to say something so obviously moronic." - Do you actually have evidence of GR's courage? Six minute after you GR wrote: "I live in a state where I would be declared an enemy of the constitution, to be put under surveillance and to be destroyed socially". which means that he has no courage or his dissenting thoughts - if he has any, are not worth expressing which is exactly what I have written.

    No, you did not mean to address what I have written about GR. You got upset by the Pussy Riot Musical but you are too timid - what is it with cowardliness among the rightoids? - to address it so you misdirected to GR just to be able to tell me that I am an old fool. You are also dishonest.

    The hopelessness with the rightoids is that they are usually very stupid, cowardly and dishonest which is one reason why they cling to Putin. The well know process of coalescence of excrements floating in water.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AP
    @silviosilver

    The first paragraph was a well executed prose poem though.

    Replies: @songbird

  331. @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system
     
    Absolutely.

    Just as resistance was (finally!) beginning to spread deep into Normieville, with Democrats set to get decimated and RINOs unseated by MAGAs in the midterms, globohomo is granted a new lease on life by Russia - the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.

    We're cursed, lol.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @German_reader, @A123, @LondonBob

    Speaking realistically it’s still not all over for those Putler bootlicking alleged antiglobohomists – Orban, Le Pen or Trump altogether have not that bad chances to win next elections in Hungary, France and USA.

  332. German_reader says:

    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven’t had one in whole your life

    Lol. I live in a state where I would be declared an enemy of the constitution, to be put under surveillance and to be destroyed socially, if I openly said even a fraction of what I’ve written here, and you lecture me with your stupid normie takes.
    Reading your comments really makes me think it might not be all bad if this whole Ukraine mess blows up into a nuclear war, at least it would finally shut you up.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend, Wielgus
  333. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system
     
    Absolutely.

    Just as resistance was (finally!) beginning to spread deep into Normieville, with Democrats set to get decimated and RINOs unseated by MAGAs in the midterms, globohomo is granted a new lease on life by Russia - the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.

    We're cursed, lol.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @German_reader, @A123, @LondonBob

    is granted a new lease on life by Russia – the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.

    Indeed. Fuck Russia and Russians for their stupid war, their war crimes and their moronic propaganda about biolabs or whatever that makes anyone look like a cretin who falls for it, fuck the Poles and Balts who delude themselves they can pursue their resentment-driven chauvinist projects while being loyal American vassals, fuck the Western normies with their endless bouts of media-induced hysteria, and fuck the pro-Russian Western right-wingers who believe in the most blatant Russian propaganda too. I hate all of them.
    The only decent people might be the Nazis from Azov, my respect goes out to them, but unfortunately they’ll lose either way.

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @iffen
    @German_reader

    The only decent people might be the Nazis from Azov, my respect goes out to them

    Seriously?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  334. @LondonBob
    Interesting the ultra neocon Times is worrying about a peace deal on their front page, accusing France, Germany and even the US of pushing for one. Sounds like the Russians have stepped up attacks in the Donbass, I expect once the Ukrainian army in Donbass is defeated and Mariupol is liberated a peace deal will be signed.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Oh come on, you’re full on Moscow Bob now. Your comment history is a hilarious collection of oddly quasi-paranoid copes. You must recognise this. Are you English or did you just attend a provincial public school?

  335. A123 says: • Website
    @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system
     
    Absolutely.

    Just as resistance was (finally!) beginning to spread deep into Normieville, with Democrats set to get decimated and RINOs unseated by MAGAs in the midterms, globohomo is granted a new lease on life by Russia - the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.

    We're cursed, lol.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @German_reader, @A123, @LondonBob

    Russia backed NS2, which was about WEF Elites forcing IslamoGloboHomo on Christian European nations such as Hungary. Now that NS2 is dead, Putin has a unique opportunity to drop IslamoGloboHomo and return to Christian (Orthodox) values. As MAGA wins in the U.S., America is on a trajectory to Christian, non-woke Protestant traditional values.

    Christian nations such as Hungary, Russia, and the U.S. are natural allies once the SJW contamination of Muslim leaders (e.g. Omar and Tlaib) are placed on the run.

    PEACE 😇

  336. @German_reader
    @utu


    This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.
     
    You're really the ultimate authoritarian normie. Can't be long before you demand that right-wingers (real ones, not the fake centrist whores) should be locked away, because they're all "Russian assets" anyway. iirc you've already demanded in the past anyway that Jared Taylor and other racists and "IQists" should be sent to prison, so such solutions come easily to you.
    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia's actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it's selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.

    Replies: @utu, @silviosilver, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    I appreciate your nuanced and critical views that you so often share with us here. As for utu’s ability to influence the globohomo system’s moral authority in the world today and ability to neutralize rightoid writers and their thought patterns, I think that they are doing a pretty good job of it and are responsible for putting themselves out of business. There are probably close to 15 articles right now circulating within this UNZ blogsite, all unfairly critical and unbalanced regarding Ukraine’s role in today’s war. I read them with unbelief sometimes and wonder about their real motivations? Even Michael Hudson’s latest entry (otherwise a fine entry) is slanted against Ukraine. They all seem to blame Ukraine for this catastrophe, even though all that Ukraine is trying to do is defend itself against a truly unbalanced aggressor.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    The pieces published on UR are certainly extremely one-sided and mostly just pro-Russian propaganda, but I don't think it can be said Western "rightoids" in general are all pro-Russian stooges. Uncritical pro-Russian views exist, but my impression is Western right-wingers are split on the issue (this seems to be the case with AfD in Germany where you have a range of positions from belief in the most idiotic propaganda about Ukrainian biolabs to sentiments of the "hopefully Putin will soon be gone" kind; or look at Sailer's commenters on this site here). Many probably didn't expect Russia to resort to such blatantly brutal means and are now confused about how to adjust their views.
    Anyway, my issue with utu isn't so much that he criticizes pro-Russian views on the right in Western countries, certainly there is a lot to criticize with good reason here. My issue is rather that he seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren't for Russia's evil influence. Which is just absurd imo.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    , @utu
    @Mr. Hack

    "Even Michael Hudson" -In his first article after Russia invaded right after Punit's speech he wrote in Kremlinist propaganda language referring to Nazis and neo-Nazis in Ukraine. I had higher expectation from him but on the second thought what should you expect from somebody who curates library of Trotsky's manuscripts. Apparently it goes in his family.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    They all seem to blame Ukraine for this catastrophe, even though all that Ukraine is trying to do is defend itself against a truly unbalanced aggressor.
     
    Looking at the incorrect players produces poor analysis. A binary between Russia & Ukraine is misleading.

    Q: Why are two Orthodox Christian nations fighting each other?
    A: Both Ukraine and Russia have been badly misused to advance the interests of Islamic Globalism.

    Russia is not an unbalanced aggressor. They have legitimate grievances against Muslim Globalist expansionism. Ukraine never should have chosen to ally with George IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Borders NGO's. However, that makes Ukraine a sucker (and a victim) in the service of the Great Replacement.

    What Ukraine needs is a leader who will join the fight against SJW Jihadists . Such a figure should be able to negotiate a tolerable outcome with Russia. For Zelensky to be that person, he has to realizes that the WEF Islamophiles do not want (and will never allow) Ukraine to win. Ukraine has been tricked into a hopeless war to generate refugees that enable non-Christian migration into Europe.

    One cannot underestimate the cynicism and evil of the WEF Elites led by George IslamoSoros. The Globalist "Forever Wars" of Davos are a tool that serves Open [Muslim] Borders and other Anti-Christian machinations. Burning a Christian nation, like Ukraine, to the ground is a furtherance of Woke-slam's aggression.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  337. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I appreciate your nuanced and critical views that you so often share with us here. As for utu's ability to influence the globohomo system's moral authority in the world today and ability to neutralize rightoid writers and their thought patterns, I think that they are doing a pretty good job of it and are responsible for putting themselves out of business. There are probably close to 15 articles right now circulating within this UNZ blogsite, all unfairly critical and unbalanced regarding Ukraine's role in today's war. I read them with unbelief sometimes and wonder about their real motivations? Even Michael Hudson's latest entry (otherwise a fine entry) is slanted against Ukraine. They all seem to blame Ukraine for this catastrophe, even though all that Ukraine is trying to do is defend itself against a truly unbalanced aggressor.

    Replies: @German_reader, @utu, @A123

    The pieces published on UR are certainly extremely one-sided and mostly just pro-Russian propaganda, but I don’t think it can be said Western “rightoids” in general are all pro-Russian stooges. Uncritical pro-Russian views exist, but my impression is Western right-wingers are split on the issue (this seems to be the case with AfD in Germany where you have a range of positions from belief in the most idiotic propaganda about Ukrainian biolabs to sentiments of the “hopefully Putin will soon be gone” kind; or look at Sailer’s commenters on this site here). Many probably didn’t expect Russia to resort to such blatantly brutal means and are now confused about how to adjust their views.
    Anyway, my issue with utu isn’t so much that he criticizes pro-Russian views on the right in Western countries, certainly there is a lot to criticize with good reason here. My issue is rather that he seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren’t for Russia’s evil influence. Which is just absurd imo.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    These authors (bloggers) are here by design. I had a dialogue with Ron Unz recently about the Maidan massacre. He admitted that the evidence pointing towards the Russian side of the street from were the shootings took place was solid and even "scientific" but yet he couldn't bring himself to admit that it was convincing, due to some sort of "political" interference. I guess that politics is more important than "scientific evidence"? :-)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ron Unz

    , @Beckow
    @German_reader

    So the question is: does the Western moral collapse and demographic undoing matter when history is being made by arms? Are they even related?

    A few realities we already had by February 2022:
    - West was fully ruled by uber-liberalism whose policies became increasingly absurd; liberals controlled all institutions and there was little dissent allowed.

    - Liberalism was not only on the march at home, but became aggressive all over the world with funding, NGOs, global institutions, and occasional military expeditions - you hate to be reminded of the military aspect of liberalism, but it happened.

    - By 2022 the material basis for the liberal control was very wobbly: West is making few things and lives off its elevated status and "soft power". In other words: control others' minds and aspirations in order to get their resources and cheap labor - ingenious, but not sustainable.

    - The rest of the world - 80% by population - is dissatisfied. The West continues to buy key members (compradors), but in the process undermines what is left of the original Western civilization.

    In February Russia pounced with an old-fashioned power move seeking more security and enlargement of its domain. Two completely different universes are now colliding. Neither one can fully prevail, they will probably just separate into two better-defined opposing camps. The Western liberal idiocies will harden and allow less dissent. Same with Russia's security concerns.

    It was generally accepted that the West was in full global control so the new development is a loss. The liberals are angry - and so are the previously conservative dissenters since this puts them in a no-win position. Tough: for years they blissfully allowed the out-of-control global liberalism to do pretty much anything they dreamt off with no consequences. Did you actually think this would just go on and on?

    Let's see if the soft power can still tame the unruly rebellious natives. We will find out soon.

  338. Well, Russian communists spoiled “socialism”or pro-worker policies due to association with the rotten Sovok regime, now Russia is playing the same role with respect to western right wing causes. Just as before, western useful idiots who shill for Russia contribute to this discreditation.

    Yeah no shit. The people talking about “globohomo” in the same sentence as a reason to support Russia are suckers.

    Somewhere over the rainbow, there probably is a world where Vladimir Putin opposes mass migrations from Middle East and North Africa to Central and Eastern Europe. And somewhere close to that, there is probably also a world where Putin opposes transgenderism and other weird sexual expressions.

    But clearly none of these are important, at least not important for Putin. What Putin wants is to take over Ukraine, and now that’s off the table to pursue the war aims related to Ukraine and extract whatever he can and minimize the damage to Russia as best as he can.

    Right wingers from US or other places getting suckered on this globohomo business is a fkkking disgrace.

    • Agree: LatW
  339. utu says:
    @silviosilver
    @utu


    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven’t had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack.
     
    Even in one of your (very common!) fits of rage, I don't know what would possess you to say something so obviously moronic. I have read through many of your debates with various posters here, and I used to think you provided intelligent arguments against positions that I supported. I was aware you could become unreasonable when it was clear you were being trounced, but that is a perfectly ordinary human reaction and I made allowance for it.

    What has since become increasingly clear to me, however, is that, at bottom, you are just a bitter, babbling old fool. Unable to come to terms with realities that even you, deep down, are are aware are all too real, you simply lash out at anyone who points out their sociopolitical significance.

    Replies: @utu, @AP

    “I don’t know what would possess you to say something so obviously moronic.” – Do you actually have evidence of GR’s courage? Six minute after you GR wrote: “I live in a state where I would be declared an enemy of the constitution, to be put under surveillance and to be destroyed socially”. which means that he has no courage or his dissenting thoughts – if he has any, are not worth expressing which is exactly what I have written.

    No, you did not mean to address what I have written about GR. You got upset by the Pussy Riot Musical but you are too timid – what is it with cowardliness among the rightoids? – to address it so you misdirected to GR just to be able to tell me that I am an old fool. You are also dishonest.

    The hopelessness with the rightoids is that they are usually very stupid, cowardly and dishonest which is one reason why they cling to Putin. The well know process of coalescence of excrements floating in water.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @utu

    I've never claimed to be courageous. But courage isn't linked to having dissenting thoughts and opinions, merely with their public expression, so your entire argument doesn't make any sense. You obviously don't want to address the repression against right-wingers in Western societies that is real and getting worse, either because you agree with it or because it just doesn't register with you.
    In any case, there's not much point to having a "discussion" with you.

    Replies: @utu

  340. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Russia doesn’t seem to want Kiev
     
    Oh yea? So they threw their soldiers to death in such large numbers just like that? Not to mention the equipment. The Russian Federation has been substantially demilitarized through this (they like the word). The truth is that Russia wanted all of Ukraine, it could've easily just kept Donbas but there wasn't much to gain from that anymore.

    Remember, a few months back you pondered, "Hm, I wonder who gets to keep Kyiv? Russians or Ukrainians?". And I told you back then that the Ukrainians will keep it.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    You have created a narrative that is not true, but I won’t change your mind. Russia simply maneuvered in the north and north-east to tie down Kiev forces. It worked. A massive frontal attack against an entrenched and resupplied Ukie army in Donbass wouldn’t work – it is still a rough going even with Ukies having to defend all over.

    They said that they don’t want Kiev, it made no military sense to attack it, and they had no resources there to do it – you are making up the narrative as a palliative for the other losses. The thing about “demiltarised” Russia is intriguing, are you heading towards Moscow any day now?

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  341. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @silviosilver

    "I don’t know what would possess you to say something so obviously moronic." - Do you actually have evidence of GR's courage? Six minute after you GR wrote: "I live in a state where I would be declared an enemy of the constitution, to be put under surveillance and to be destroyed socially". which means that he has no courage or his dissenting thoughts - if he has any, are not worth expressing which is exactly what I have written.

    No, you did not mean to address what I have written about GR. You got upset by the Pussy Riot Musical but you are too timid - what is it with cowardliness among the rightoids? - to address it so you misdirected to GR just to be able to tell me that I am an old fool. You are also dishonest.

    The hopelessness with the rightoids is that they are usually very stupid, cowardly and dishonest which is one reason why they cling to Putin. The well know process of coalescence of excrements floating in water.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I’ve never claimed to be courageous. But courage isn’t linked to having dissenting thoughts and opinions, merely with their public expression, so your entire argument doesn’t make any sense. You obviously don’t want to address the repression against right-wingers in Western societies that is real and getting worse, either because you agree with it or because it just doesn’t register with you.
    In any case, there’s not much point to having a “discussion” with you.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @utu
    @German_reader

    "In any case, there’s not much point to having a “discussion” with you." - So why do you keep starting discussions with me. My comment #200 was to Triteleia Laxa to which you responded calling me "authoritarian normie".

    Apparently it very much does not agree with you that I emphasize Russian subversion. You wrote to Mr. Hack:


    My issue is rather that [utu] seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren’t for Russia’s evil influence.
     
    and I remember you were totally against my supposition that there were Kremlin fingers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada to paralyze Ottawa government prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

    Obviously you misconstrue, purposefully I think, because I do recognize legitimate reasons for discontent on the Right though believing that vaccines have nano-self-assembling chips is not one of them. Russian propaganda does not care which reasons are legitimate and which are not. It will stoke any reasons as long they get traction and as long as they undermine trust in Wester culture, institutions, governments, policies. Basically anything goes as long as it is subversive.

    And where do you see that I say or believe that everything would be find if it was not for Russia? But now Russia is the problem number one. There are no greater problems than Russia. After the dragon is slew and Russian cries uncle other problems can be dealt with like for example the preponderance of twats in Germany.

    I think that in some comments I have expressed som hope that because of this war that Russia started some problems will get new solutions. I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

    Anyway, not seeing the role of the scope of Russian subversion demonstrates your naivety that you are like a sleepwalker. This deserve a special normie label.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Brás Cubas, @Wokechoke

  342. utu says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I appreciate your nuanced and critical views that you so often share with us here. As for utu's ability to influence the globohomo system's moral authority in the world today and ability to neutralize rightoid writers and their thought patterns, I think that they are doing a pretty good job of it and are responsible for putting themselves out of business. There are probably close to 15 articles right now circulating within this UNZ blogsite, all unfairly critical and unbalanced regarding Ukraine's role in today's war. I read them with unbelief sometimes and wonder about their real motivations? Even Michael Hudson's latest entry (otherwise a fine entry) is slanted against Ukraine. They all seem to blame Ukraine for this catastrophe, even though all that Ukraine is trying to do is defend itself against a truly unbalanced aggressor.

    Replies: @German_reader, @utu, @A123

    “Even Michael Hudson” -In his first article after Russia invaded right after Punit’s speech he wrote in Kremlinist propaganda language referring to Nazis and neo-Nazis in Ukraine. I had higher expectation from him but on the second thought what should you expect from somebody who curates library of Trotsky’s manuscripts. Apparently it goes in his family.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @utu

    Outside of the uncritical distortion of some of the Ukrainian players in this war, what did you think of his latest entry? I'm going to reread it today and perhaps try to formulate and send him a comment. There was something about Ukraine that I think that he got literally "ass backwards" when I read it last night, that I wanted to query him about.......

    Replies: @utu

  343. @AP
    @Beckow


    …On what do you base your claim.

    In late February both Financial Times and DW used that estimate for ‘Mariupol front‘.
     
    I haven't seen it, the only concreter numbers I've seen were 3,500+800. I tried to check by looking up the units in Mariupol and saw one of them had a strength of 1,200 a couple of years ago which would seem to match the Russian wikipedia total. I also saw that some soldiers assigned to the units in Mariupol were fighting and getting killed outside Kiev, which would also support the low figure.

    Russia says that they ‘destroyed’ 5k and took 5k POWs –
     
    Do you assume the Russian government is more honest than the Ukrainian one?

    the videos show hundreds of POWs.
     
    This would not contradict a total of 4,300 before the siege.

    Replies: @Beckow

    This is not about honesty but about what we can observe. You are the only one convinced that there were only 4.3k Ukies defending Mariupol. It doesn’t match many of the facts coming out, but we don’t have a full accounting – and maybe never will.

    In general, Russia holds information back and doesn’t seem to care much for PR other than at home. Ukraine is all over the map claiming things that are true, half-true and outright made up – they are more active in the story management. But you can learn from both if you take that into account.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    You are the only one convinced that there were only 4.3k
     
    I’m not even necessarily convinced; those are simply the only specific figures I’ve seen. They are from Russian wiki. I tried to confirm or disconfirm by looking up the identified Ukrainian units but saw numbers for only one - 1,200 soldiers, a couple of years ago. This would match the 4300 number.

    Can you give me a link to other numbers? Hopefully not Russian propaganda sources?

    Replies: @Beckow

  344. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    The pieces published on UR are certainly extremely one-sided and mostly just pro-Russian propaganda, but I don't think it can be said Western "rightoids" in general are all pro-Russian stooges. Uncritical pro-Russian views exist, but my impression is Western right-wingers are split on the issue (this seems to be the case with AfD in Germany where you have a range of positions from belief in the most idiotic propaganda about Ukrainian biolabs to sentiments of the "hopefully Putin will soon be gone" kind; or look at Sailer's commenters on this site here). Many probably didn't expect Russia to resort to such blatantly brutal means and are now confused about how to adjust their views.
    Anyway, my issue with utu isn't so much that he criticizes pro-Russian views on the right in Western countries, certainly there is a lot to criticize with good reason here. My issue is rather that he seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren't for Russia's evil influence. Which is just absurd imo.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    These authors (bloggers) are here by design. I had a dialogue with Ron Unz recently about the Maidan massacre. He admitted that the evidence pointing towards the Russian side of the street from were the shootings took place was solid and even “scientific” but yet he couldn’t bring himself to admit that it was convincing, due to some sort of “political” interference. I guess that politics is more important than “scientific evidence”? 🙂

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    I guess that politics is more important than “scientific evidence”?
     
    UR has a certain line that is reflected in much of the content, in that regard it isn't any different from mainstream sites...you can't expect a genuine desire for truthfulness in most of the pieces published here.
    The main advantage of the site imo is the superb commenting system which allows for open discussion.
    , @Ron Unz
    @Mr. Hack


    I had a dialogue with Ron Unz recently about the Maidan massacre. He admitted that the evidence pointing towards the Russian side of the street from were the shootings took place was solid and even “scientific”
     
    That's a very misleading characterization of my position. I said I very strongly suspected that the alleged "scientific" evidence was simply fabricated by Intelligence agencies...

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

  345. It’s absurd to say that this war was a “lifeline” for the liberal order. Anyone who says that is in a delusional state of mind. The reason why rightoids lose is because they are narrow sectarians. Liberals know how to co-operate and understand it often entails compromising on national objectives in order to strengthen the larger whole.

    We already had a live test of which system was the strongest during the 20th century and liberalism destroyed all its competitors. The outcome of this war will not materially change the underlying reality that Russia’s best days are past and it will forever be weaker than its Western counterparts. The best it can hope for is to play second fiddle and as a junior partner to a much stronger China.

    We should also be careful not to conflate all forms of nationalisms with rightoid ideology. Nationalism, after all, was often seen and attacked as a liberal project during the 19th century by romantic localists who did not wish to see their peripheral identity swallowed up into a much larger whole. This is something I did not appreciate fully until Mearsheimer wrote about it in his latest book, which I recently read. Even highly liberal societies like the US can simultaneously be very nationalistic under certain circumstances. Don’t underestimate this.

    Indeed, even Russian nationalism as it is configured today has space for mixed-race individuals like Karlin and has a multi-ethnic army. Putin may be socially conservative on gender/LGBT but he’s a liberal on other metrics. Hardly a perfect model for ethnic sectarians in the West.

    • Agree: sudden death
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Thulean Friend

    Idk, it wouldn't be surprising if the internal problems Western Liberalism is accumulating (reflected in Trans, anti-natalist Feminism, Fat Positivity, Negromania and so on) causes serious problems or some kind of implosion in the future. In the past Liberalism was never tested by something it maybe cannot deal with, its own success and hegemony.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Thulean Friend

    The head of state in Ukraine is a Jewish actor. This war is no coincidence.

    , @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    We already had a live test of which system was the strongest during the 20th century and liberalism destroyed all its competitors.
     
    Well, geography goes into systems, and systems go into geography.

    It is not surprising that the Anglo world was triumphant, especially with America, with its singularly good geography at its core. But what if that had been the H-man's base?

    Anyway, geography goes into China's system, and it is of a similar scale to America. Greater, when you count population. I wouldn't count it out yet.

    And the Korean peninsula is an interesting test of systems. Wouldn't count the Jucheists out yet, either. And they were created with the help of the Chinese. That was regional, but in opposition to the US. Imagine what might happen, when they start projecting power.

    Replies: @German_reader

  346. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I appreciate your nuanced and critical views that you so often share with us here. As for utu's ability to influence the globohomo system's moral authority in the world today and ability to neutralize rightoid writers and their thought patterns, I think that they are doing a pretty good job of it and are responsible for putting themselves out of business. There are probably close to 15 articles right now circulating within this UNZ blogsite, all unfairly critical and unbalanced regarding Ukraine's role in today's war. I read them with unbelief sometimes and wonder about their real motivations? Even Michael Hudson's latest entry (otherwise a fine entry) is slanted against Ukraine. They all seem to blame Ukraine for this catastrophe, even though all that Ukraine is trying to do is defend itself against a truly unbalanced aggressor.

    Replies: @German_reader, @utu, @A123

    They all seem to blame Ukraine for this catastrophe, even though all that Ukraine is trying to do is defend itself against a truly unbalanced aggressor.

    Looking at the incorrect players produces poor analysis. A binary between Russia & Ukraine is misleading.

    Q: Why are two Orthodox Christian nations fighting each other?
    A: Both Ukraine and Russia have been badly misused to advance the interests of Islamic Globalism.

    Russia is not an unbalanced aggressor. They have legitimate grievances against Muslim Globalist expansionism. Ukraine never should have chosen to ally with George IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Borders NGO’s. However, that makes Ukraine a sucker (and a victim) in the service of the Great Replacement.

    What Ukraine needs is a leader who will join the fight against SJW Jihadists . Such a figure should be able to negotiate a tolerable outcome with Russia. For Zelensky to be that person, he has to realizes that the WEF Islamophiles do not want (and will never allow) Ukraine to win. Ukraine has been tricked into a hopeless war to generate refugees that enable non-Christian migration into Europe.

    One cannot underestimate the cynicism and evil of the WEF Elites led by George IslamoSoros. The Globalist “Forever Wars” of Davos are a tool that serves Open [Muslim] Borders and other Anti-Christian machinations. Burning a Christian nation, like Ukraine, to the ground is a furtherance of Woke-slam’s aggression.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Your whole take is ridiculous and suspect. You make it sound as if Ukraine's main partner in this war is George Soros. Unless you believe that Soros controls the US and all of the rest of the western world, this is a ridiclous position to hold.

    Ukraine is in no position to be too picky in whom it reaches out to and tries to gets some help. Its aggressor is large and is well funded. Ukraine's historic quest is to rid itself of Russian imperialistic designs and enjoy the political freedoms of its neighbors, who've already achieved this laudable goal, including your very own Slovakia. A lot of Muslim Caucasians are in no hurry to support Putin and his war against Ukraine. I ran into my neighbor (an Uzbeki Turk) last night and he was quick to share with me some photos within his smart phone. He showed me some photos of his yonger cousins within Ukraine that were fighting the Russians on the Ukrainian side. They had started out on the Russian side, but decided to switch sides, once in Ukraine. I'm pretty sure that the plan is to eventually get these cousins over to the US (they're a very clannish people). He told me that he has no love for Russia, for he spent many years living there, and was never able to get any sort of paperwork from the Russian bureaucrats, formalizing his Russian status. He said that America is a great country, for within several years, he was able to gain citizenship. Judging by the car(s) that he drives and his beautiful home, America has indeed been good to my neighbor.

    After proofreading, I realized that I got you mixed up with Beckos. I decided to not make any corrections, for lately you and him sound exactly alike. If you could convince him to support Trump, you'd be identical twins! :-)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

  347. @utu
    @Mr. Hack

    "Even Michael Hudson" -In his first article after Russia invaded right after Punit's speech he wrote in Kremlinist propaganda language referring to Nazis and neo-Nazis in Ukraine. I had higher expectation from him but on the second thought what should you expect from somebody who curates library of Trotsky's manuscripts. Apparently it goes in his family.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Outside of the uncritical distortion of some of the Ukrainian players in this war, what did you think of his latest entry? I’m going to reread it today and perhaps try to formulate and send him a comment. There was something about Ukraine that I think that he got literally “ass backwards” when I read it last night, that I wanted to query him about…….

    • Replies: @utu
    @Mr. Hack

    I have stopped reading pretty much all articles that Ron Unz publishes in his webzine. There is only one common denominator: America delenda est.. This jihadism against America and the West is a serious psychopathology. I do not think that Ron Unz likes Russia or China. He just hates America and wants it to be humiliated and even destroyed. If Russia does it with its Wunderwaffe, it is perfectly fine with him. His obsession with humiliation of America is so strong that he is willing to suspend his judgment and intelligence and accept any views from the most dubious sources as long as they forward his obsession.

  348. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    These authors (bloggers) are here by design. I had a dialogue with Ron Unz recently about the Maidan massacre. He admitted that the evidence pointing towards the Russian side of the street from were the shootings took place was solid and even "scientific" but yet he couldn't bring himself to admit that it was convincing, due to some sort of "political" interference. I guess that politics is more important than "scientific evidence"? :-)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ron Unz

    I guess that politics is more important than “scientific evidence”?

    UR has a certain line that is reflected in much of the content, in that regard it isn’t any different from mainstream sites…you can’t expect a genuine desire for truthfulness in most of the pieces published here.
    The main advantage of the site imo is the superb commenting system which allows for open discussion.

    • Agree: Coconuts
  349. Any confirmation about NATO officers trapped in Azovstal?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Aedib

    Faker gibberish. Ukraine has been flying about 5 helicopters a day into Mariupol for weeks. The orcs got one (was it Thursday?). Faker is trying to turn it into an orc success story. I have no doubt that there are foreign advisors there. A number of SAS troopers deserted the British Army over a month ago. Helicopters are not the only option. The UK has probably taken advice from Colombian drug barons on the best blockade runners. The Royal Navy Armilla patrol is a decade or more old blockade against cocaine reaching the West Indies.

  350. @utu
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.
     
    You forget about the victory of globohomo in Moscow and its subsequent triumphalism. New secular tradition will be established to celebrated the victory over Putin's Russia by performing Pussy Riot Musical in the Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces where in the finale Karlin like figure of Russian nationalist is sodomized by a huge Negro in Ukrainian folk costume and at the moment of the climactic ecstasy on Karlin's face a ballet of twats like you in tutus dance in throwing rainbow petals and singing Cohen's Hallelujah.

    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven't had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Barbarossa

    repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven’t had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack

    I can’t speak to German-reader’s courage or lack of it, since this is, after all, an internet forum. As for dissenting opinions it seems like he has plenty. It’s not like he’s checking off some laundry list of Comfortable German Establishment Opinions with his views. Sadly, you’ll have to put more work into your next insulting diatribe if you want it to land anywhere.

    • Thanks: German_reader
  351. @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    They all seem to blame Ukraine for this catastrophe, even though all that Ukraine is trying to do is defend itself against a truly unbalanced aggressor.
     
    Looking at the incorrect players produces poor analysis. A binary between Russia & Ukraine is misleading.

    Q: Why are two Orthodox Christian nations fighting each other?
    A: Both Ukraine and Russia have been badly misused to advance the interests of Islamic Globalism.

    Russia is not an unbalanced aggressor. They have legitimate grievances against Muslim Globalist expansionism. Ukraine never should have chosen to ally with George IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Borders NGO's. However, that makes Ukraine a sucker (and a victim) in the service of the Great Replacement.

    What Ukraine needs is a leader who will join the fight against SJW Jihadists . Such a figure should be able to negotiate a tolerable outcome with Russia. For Zelensky to be that person, he has to realizes that the WEF Islamophiles do not want (and will never allow) Ukraine to win. Ukraine has been tricked into a hopeless war to generate refugees that enable non-Christian migration into Europe.

    One cannot underestimate the cynicism and evil of the WEF Elites led by George IslamoSoros. The Globalist "Forever Wars" of Davos are a tool that serves Open [Muslim] Borders and other Anti-Christian machinations. Burning a Christian nation, like Ukraine, to the ground is a furtherance of Woke-slam's aggression.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Your whole take is ridiculous and suspect. You make it sound as if Ukraine’s main partner in this war is George Soros. Unless you believe that Soros controls the US and all of the rest of the western world, this is a ridiclous position to hold.

    Ukraine is in no position to be too picky in whom it reaches out to and tries to gets some help. Its aggressor is large and is well funded. Ukraine’s historic quest is to rid itself of Russian imperialistic designs and enjoy the political freedoms of its neighbors, who’ve already achieved this laudable goal, including your very own Slovakia. A lot of Muslim Caucasians are in no hurry to support Putin and his war against Ukraine. I ran into my neighbor (an Uzbeki Turk) last night and he was quick to share with me some photos within his smart phone. He showed me some photos of his yonger cousins within Ukraine that were fighting the Russians on the Ukrainian side. They had started out on the Russian side, but decided to switch sides, once in Ukraine. I’m pretty sure that the plan is to eventually get these cousins over to the US (they’re a very clannish people). He told me that he has no love for Russia, for he spent many years living there, and was never able to get any sort of paperwork from the Russian bureaucrats, formalizing his Russian status. He said that America is a great country, for within several years, he was able to gain citizenship. Judging by the car(s) that he drives and his beautiful home, America has indeed been good to my neighbor.

    After proofreading, I realized that I got you mixed up with Beckos. I decided to not make any corrections, for lately you and him sound exactly alike. If you could convince him to support Trump, you’d be identical twins! 🙂

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Ukraine was the largest geographic country in Europe. It’s not just justified.

    , @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    You make it sound as if Ukraine’s main partner in this war is George Soros. Unless you believe that Soros controls the US and all of the rest of the western world, this is a ridiclous position to hold.
     
    SJW Islamic Globalists are certainly the force (not partner) that suckered Ukraine into a hopeless situation. They puppet master Not-The-President Biden from Davos.

    Who is a more consistent and powerful source of funding for SJW Muslim causes? The IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Society Foundation spread hate everywhere they go. Why else would his SeaWatch NGO transporting Jihadist invaders open display Antifa and rainbow flags?

     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_iZ-C7cdJ98/YHGaUpvkHRI/AAAAAAAAGLo/clpVoF7uSx8hUxYpkOsauif6Ps-LMyFfwCLcBGAsYHQ/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Evangelic%2BChurch%2BGermany%2BAntifa%2Bpeople%2Bsmugglers.jpg
     

    It is not like I am alone. Christian Europe has pegged George IslamoSoros as a vile offender and existential threat: (1)


    If you think billionaire liberal George Soros is a horrible person, you’re not alone.

    It’s not just here in America where Soros has earned himself a reputation for being corrupt, malicious, and an ever-ready opponent of liberty. Apparently, the man who has been leading the Democrat Party for the last 20 years or so, is also quite hated in Europe.

    Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán delivered a scathing indictment of the world’s liberals and arguing that Hungary had the right to implement whatever immigration policies it chooses to, and that the nation also had the right to fight back against the underhanded efforts of Soros and his minions.

    Orbán’s comments echoed sentiments he articulated during an interview a few weeks ago where he explained that George Soros and his lackeys were acting as if they were above Hungary’s laws in their attempts to abuse the system and grab more power for themselves.
     

    The IslamoSoros is a "power behind the throne" supporting Wokeslam's more visible SJW leaders including Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
    ___

    I genuinely feel sorry for Ukraine. However, their leaders are fools serving SJW Islamic Globalism. There is no way forward as long as Zelensky is ensnared by the Siren's Song of SJW Multiculturalism.


    After proofreading, I realized that I got you mixed up with [Beckow]. I decided to not make any corrections, for lately you and him sound exactly alike. If you could convince him to support Trump, you’d be identical twins! 🙂
     
    Doubtful. No one has been able to present evidence that George IslamoSoros is anything other than a Muslim. Yet everyone else keeps trying to say things like, "SJW & Islam are merely working together" rather than a unified side.

    *shrug*

    There is only so much TRUTH I can reveal.

    Ocean's Razor will eventually bring people around. Theoretically, separate sides can only have identical policies and use identical flags for so long before people see through the surface and find there is only one unified group.

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    (1) https://thewashingtonstandard.com/prime-minister-hungary-george-soros-ruined-millions-lives/

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

  352. @silviosilver
    @utu


    BTW, You should not worry about repression of dissenting thoughts because you personally haven’t had one in whole your life and I doubt you will ever have because dissenting opinions are a function of courage which you lack.
     
    Even in one of your (very common!) fits of rage, I don't know what would possess you to say something so obviously moronic. I have read through many of your debates with various posters here, and I used to think you provided intelligent arguments against positions that I supported. I was aware you could become unreasonable when it was clear you were being trounced, but that is a perfectly ordinary human reaction and I made allowance for it.

    What has since become increasingly clear to me, however, is that, at bottom, you are just a bitter, babbling old fool. Unable to come to terms with realities that even you, deep down, are are aware are all too real, you simply lash out at anyone who points out their sociopolitical significance.

    Replies: @utu, @AP

    The first paragraph was a well executed prose poem though.

    • Disagree: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP

    Here is a bit of well executed poetry:


    Lonely antagonists of Destiny,
    That went down scornful before many spears,
    Who, soon as we are born, are straight our friends;
    And live in simple music, country songs,
    And mournful ballads by the winter fire,
     
    It is not something Sigmund Freud would write, while he was taking cocaine. Not something full of disgusting scatological and homosexual references.

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa

  353. utu says:
    @German_reader
    @utu

    I've never claimed to be courageous. But courage isn't linked to having dissenting thoughts and opinions, merely with their public expression, so your entire argument doesn't make any sense. You obviously don't want to address the repression against right-wingers in Western societies that is real and getting worse, either because you agree with it or because it just doesn't register with you.
    In any case, there's not much point to having a "discussion" with you.

    Replies: @utu

    “In any case, there’s not much point to having a “discussion” with you.” – So why do you keep starting discussions with me. My comment #200 was to Triteleia Laxa to which you responded calling me “authoritarian normie”.

    Apparently it very much does not agree with you that I emphasize Russian subversion. You wrote to Mr. Hack:

    My issue is rather that [utu] seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren’t for Russia’s evil influence.

    and I remember you were totally against my supposition that there were Kremlin fingers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada to paralyze Ottawa government prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

    Obviously you misconstrue, purposefully I think, because I do recognize legitimate reasons for discontent on the Right though believing that vaccines have nano-self-assembling chips is not one of them. Russian propaganda does not care which reasons are legitimate and which are not. It will stoke any reasons as long they get traction and as long as they undermine trust in Wester culture, institutions, governments, policies. Basically anything goes as long as it is subversive.

    And where do you see that I say or believe that everything would be find if it was not for Russia? But now Russia is the problem number one. There are no greater problems than Russia. After the dragon is slew and Russian cries uncle other problems can be dealt with like for example the preponderance of twats in Germany.

    I think that in some comments I have expressed som hope that because of this war that Russia started some problems will get new solutions. I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

    Anyway, not seeing the role of the scope of Russian subversion demonstrates your naivety that you are like a sleepwalker. This deserve a special normie label.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @utu


    and I remember you were totally against my supposition that there were Kremlin fingers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada to paralyze Ottawa government prior to the invasion of Ukraine.
     
    Your sources were all bs, with ridiculous "experts" claiming it's Russian subversion when right-wingers on the net troll people into voting per text message (anybody who's stupid enough to fall for that shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway). Sure, it's certainly likely Russia is trying to exploit discontent in Western societies. People definitely shouldn't rely on Russia today (when one could still read it) for information, clearly there's an agenda there. But your comments basically amount to giving a free pass to the likes of Justin Trudeau, that everything they're doing is basically fine, and if you don't agree you're a "Russian asset" who's in favour of Putin's troops killing Ukrainian civilians through indiscriminate shelling.
    Regarding Corona, I'm triple-vaccinated myself, but there has definitely been massive overreach and hysteria by the liberal establishment (one acquaintance, on her way to becoming a professor, literally told me "The unvaccinated need to be punished")...that's on them, not on Russia.

    But now Russia is the problem number one. There are no greater problems than Russia. After the dragon is slew and Russian cries uncle other problems can be dealt with like for example the preponderance of twats in Germany.
     
    "Dragon is slain"? What's that even supposed to mean? Do you think Russia will be defeated like Germany in 1945, occupied and re-constructed? Dream on. It's much more likely that this conflict will go on for decades, with many disastrous side effects.
    Doesn't mean that one should accomodate Putin and his crazy imperialist visions at any price, Ukraine needs to fight on until at least the most outrageous demands (like annexation of territory beyond the prewar borders) are dropped, but your optimism is bizarre.

    I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

     

    Because these things are only happening in your fucking imagination and have no basis in reality. Germany's idiotic government is doubling down on Energiewende, not considering a return to nuclear power, so there'll be a massive energy crisis soon. German industry will become uncompetitive (certainly a lot of other Europeans will at first feel schadenfreude about this, but then there'll be long faces, when there's no more German money). No idea either how countries like Hungary or Bulgaria are supposed to make do without Russian gas. As for immigration, the German government is refusing all border controls, they want they refugee movement from Ukraine to be exploited by non-Europeans.
    If you think I'm the worst example of German twattery, you really have no idea.
    This war is all around bad news.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Brás Cubas
    @utu


    I think that in some comments I have expressed som hope that because of this war that Russia started some problems will get new solutions. I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.
     
    After long hours of exhaustive analysis, I at last decyphered what your secret plans for the world are. You intend to bring Putin down from the command of Russia and establish him as the commander of Europe!
    , @Wokechoke
    @utu

    Stop doing the straw manning with that nanochips crap. It’s freshfaggotry.

    Ukraine emerges in 1990 as the personal Piggy bank of assholes like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, John McCain David Cameron and Joe Biden and you are okay with the implications of that?

    Replies: @utu

  354. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    This is not about honesty but about what we can observe. You are the only one convinced that there were only 4.3k Ukies defending Mariupol. It doesn't match many of the facts coming out, but we don't have a full accounting - and maybe never will.

    In general, Russia holds information back and doesn't seem to care much for PR other than at home. Ukraine is all over the map claiming things that are true, half-true and outright made up - they are more active in the story management. But you can learn from both if you take that into account.

    Replies: @AP

    You are the only one convinced that there were only 4.3k

    I’m not even necessarily convinced; those are simply the only specific figures I’ve seen. They are from Russian wiki. I tried to confirm or disconfirm by looking up the identified Ukrainian units but saw numbers for only one – 1,200 soldiers, a couple of years ago. This would match the 4300 number.

    Can you give me a link to other numbers? Hopefully not Russian propaganda sources?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    You use the term "propaganda" very loosely. In practice all sides always do propaganda, it is really only a question of degree and topic. Focus and evaluate the information provided and don't hide behind labels like propaganda, "fake", or conspiracy. Those are simply ways for one side to devalue what the other side is saying. That doesn't help anyone to get to the truth. Given your biases it would make no sense to provide links - you can find them easily and it is up to you to evaluate the information if you remain open-minded.

    Replies: @AP

  355. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    The pieces published on UR are certainly extremely one-sided and mostly just pro-Russian propaganda, but I don't think it can be said Western "rightoids" in general are all pro-Russian stooges. Uncritical pro-Russian views exist, but my impression is Western right-wingers are split on the issue (this seems to be the case with AfD in Germany where you have a range of positions from belief in the most idiotic propaganda about Ukrainian biolabs to sentiments of the "hopefully Putin will soon be gone" kind; or look at Sailer's commenters on this site here). Many probably didn't expect Russia to resort to such blatantly brutal means and are now confused about how to adjust their views.
    Anyway, my issue with utu isn't so much that he criticizes pro-Russian views on the right in Western countries, certainly there is a lot to criticize with good reason here. My issue is rather that he seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren't for Russia's evil influence. Which is just absurd imo.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    So the question is: does the Western moral collapse and demographic undoing matter when history is being made by arms? Are they even related?

    A few realities we already had by February 2022:
    – West was fully ruled by uber-liberalism whose policies became increasingly absurd; liberals controlled all institutions and there was little dissent allowed.

    – Liberalism was not only on the march at home, but became aggressive all over the world with funding, NGOs, global institutions, and occasional military expeditions – you hate to be reminded of the military aspect of liberalism, but it happened.

    – By 2022 the material basis for the liberal control was very wobbly: West is making few things and lives off its elevated status and “soft power”. In other words: control others’ minds and aspirations in order to get their resources and cheap labor – ingenious, but not sustainable.

    – The rest of the world – 80% by population – is dissatisfied. The West continues to buy key members (compradors), but in the process undermines what is left of the original Western civilization.

    In February Russia pounced with an old-fashioned power move seeking more security and enlargement of its domain. Two completely different universes are now colliding. Neither one can fully prevail, they will probably just separate into two better-defined opposing camps. The Western liberal idiocies will harden and allow less dissent. Same with Russia’s security concerns.

    It was generally accepted that the West was in full global control so the new development is a loss. The liberals are angry – and so are the previously conservative dissenters since this puts them in a no-win position. Tough: for years they blissfully allowed the out-of-control global liberalism to do pretty much anything they dreamt off with no consequences. Did you actually think this would just go on and on?

    Let’s see if the soft power can still tame the unruly rebellious natives. We will find out soon.

  356. utu says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @utu

    Outside of the uncritical distortion of some of the Ukrainian players in this war, what did you think of his latest entry? I'm going to reread it today and perhaps try to formulate and send him a comment. There was something about Ukraine that I think that he got literally "ass backwards" when I read it last night, that I wanted to query him about.......

    Replies: @utu

    I have stopped reading pretty much all articles that Ron Unz publishes in his webzine. There is only one common denominator: America delenda est.. This jihadism against America and the West is a serious psychopathology. I do not think that Ron Unz likes Russia or China. He just hates America and wants it to be humiliated and even destroyed. If Russia does it with its Wunderwaffe, it is perfectly fine with him. His obsession with humiliation of America is so strong that he is willing to suspend his judgment and intelligence and accept any views from the most dubious sources as long as they forward his obsession.

  357. @AP
    @silviosilver

    The first paragraph was a well executed prose poem though.

    Replies: @songbird

    Here is a bit of well executed poetry:

    Lonely antagonists of Destiny,
    That went down scornful before many spears,
    Who, soon as we are born, are straight our friends;
    And live in simple music, country songs,
    And mournful ballads by the winter fire,

    It is not something Sigmund Freud would write, while he was taking cocaine. Not something full of disgusting scatological and homosexual references.

    • Replies: @AP
    @songbird

    Sure, but that wasn’t meant for the comment section at Unz.

    , @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    Well, I just assumed that utu was reading off the pitch sheet for some Hollywood "Support Ukraine Fundraiser Musical Extravaganza". Seemed plausible enough.

  358. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @German_reader

    "In any case, there’s not much point to having a “discussion” with you." - So why do you keep starting discussions with me. My comment #200 was to Triteleia Laxa to which you responded calling me "authoritarian normie".

    Apparently it very much does not agree with you that I emphasize Russian subversion. You wrote to Mr. Hack:


    My issue is rather that [utu] seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren’t for Russia’s evil influence.
     
    and I remember you were totally against my supposition that there were Kremlin fingers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada to paralyze Ottawa government prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

    Obviously you misconstrue, purposefully I think, because I do recognize legitimate reasons for discontent on the Right though believing that vaccines have nano-self-assembling chips is not one of them. Russian propaganda does not care which reasons are legitimate and which are not. It will stoke any reasons as long they get traction and as long as they undermine trust in Wester culture, institutions, governments, policies. Basically anything goes as long as it is subversive.

    And where do you see that I say or believe that everything would be find if it was not for Russia? But now Russia is the problem number one. There are no greater problems than Russia. After the dragon is slew and Russian cries uncle other problems can be dealt with like for example the preponderance of twats in Germany.

    I think that in some comments I have expressed som hope that because of this war that Russia started some problems will get new solutions. I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

    Anyway, not seeing the role of the scope of Russian subversion demonstrates your naivety that you are like a sleepwalker. This deserve a special normie label.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Brás Cubas, @Wokechoke

    and I remember you were totally against my supposition that there were Kremlin fingers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada to paralyze Ottawa government prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

    Your sources were all bs, with ridiculous “experts” claiming it’s Russian subversion when right-wingers on the net troll people into voting per text message (anybody who’s stupid enough to fall for that shouldn’t be allowed to vote anyway). Sure, it’s certainly likely Russia is trying to exploit discontent in Western societies. People definitely shouldn’t rely on Russia today (when one could still read it) for information, clearly there’s an agenda there. But your comments basically amount to giving a free pass to the likes of Justin Trudeau, that everything they’re doing is basically fine, and if you don’t agree you’re a “Russian asset” who’s in favour of Putin’s troops killing Ukrainian civilians through indiscriminate shelling.
    Regarding Corona, I’m triple-vaccinated myself, but there has definitely been massive overreach and hysteria by the liberal establishment (one acquaintance, on her way to becoming a professor, literally told me “The unvaccinated need to be punished”)…that’s on them, not on Russia.

    But now Russia is the problem number one. There are no greater problems than Russia. After the dragon is slew and Russian cries uncle other problems can be dealt with like for example the preponderance of twats in Germany.

    “Dragon is slain”? What’s that even supposed to mean? Do you think Russia will be defeated like Germany in 1945, occupied and re-constructed? Dream on. It’s much more likely that this conflict will go on for decades, with many disastrous side effects.
    Doesn’t mean that one should accomodate Putin and his crazy imperialist visions at any price, Ukraine needs to fight on until at least the most outrageous demands (like annexation of territory beyond the prewar borders) are dropped, but your optimism is bizarre.

    I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

    Because these things are only happening in your fucking imagination and have no basis in reality. Germany’s idiotic government is doubling down on Energiewende, not considering a return to nuclear power, so there’ll be a massive energy crisis soon. German industry will become uncompetitive (certainly a lot of other Europeans will at first feel schadenfreude about this, but then there’ll be long faces, when there’s no more German money). No idea either how countries like Hungary or Bulgaria are supposed to make do without Russian gas. As for immigration, the German government is refusing all border controls, they want they refugee movement from Ukraine to be exploited by non-Europeans.
    If you think I’m the worst example of German twattery, you really have no idea.
    This war is all around bad news.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    It feels like it is becoming a more common rhetorical fashion in Europe, trying to exploit Germany's historical conscience lol. "Germany have you learned nothing from your past".

    https://twitter.com/dkaleniuk/status/1509541255071547404

    But in reality, Germany has been a good non-military ally for Ukraine in the recent years. (Since February 24 2022, Germany has also become one of the main military donors of equipment for Ukraine).

    In 2018-2019 Germany has been the largest supporter to Ukraine, in financial terms if you would include only civilian aid.
    https://i.imgur.com/rf2V34Y.jpg
    (https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/aussenpolitik/laenderinformationen/ukraine-node/ukraine-support/2510752)


    on Energiewende, not considering a return to nuclear power, so there’ll be a massive energy crisis soon. German industry will become uncompetitive
     
    It sounds funny, but wind energy is already almost becoming the cheapest in the world this decade. ( https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-levelized-cost-of-storage-and-levelized-cost-of-hydrogen )

    Problem is that, it is not steady to the same extent can be gas or nuclear energy. Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries), which will add a bit of something to the cost.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Barbarossa

  359. @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it’s selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system
     
    Absolutely.

    Just as resistance was (finally!) beginning to spread deep into Normieville, with Democrats set to get decimated and RINOs unseated by MAGAs in the midterms, globohomo is granted a new lease on life by Russia - the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.

    We're cursed, lol.

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @German_reader, @A123, @LondonBob

    I read Orban is ahead and Le Pen is gaining on Macron…

  360. @Thulean Friend
    It's absurd to say that this war was a "lifeline" for the liberal order. Anyone who says that is in a delusional state of mind. The reason why rightoids lose is because they are narrow sectarians. Liberals know how to co-operate and understand it often entails compromising on national objectives in order to strengthen the larger whole.

    We already had a live test of which system was the strongest during the 20th century and liberalism destroyed all its competitors. The outcome of this war will not materially change the underlying reality that Russia's best days are past and it will forever be weaker than its Western counterparts. The best it can hope for is to play second fiddle and as a junior partner to a much stronger China.

    We should also be careful not to conflate all forms of nationalisms with rightoid ideology. Nationalism, after all, was often seen and attacked as a liberal project during the 19th century by romantic localists who did not wish to see their peripheral identity swallowed up into a much larger whole. This is something I did not appreciate fully until Mearsheimer wrote about it in his latest book, which I recently read. Even highly liberal societies like the US can simultaneously be very nationalistic under certain circumstances. Don't underestimate this.

    Indeed, even Russian nationalism as it is configured today has space for mixed-race individuals like Karlin and has a multi-ethnic army. Putin may be socially conservative on gender/LGBT but he's a liberal on other metrics. Hardly a perfect model for ethnic sectarians in the West.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke, @songbird

    Idk, it wouldn’t be surprising if the internal problems Western Liberalism is accumulating (reflected in Trans, anti-natalist Feminism, Fat Positivity, Negromania and so on) causes serious problems or some kind of implosion in the future. In the past Liberalism was never tested by something it maybe cannot deal with, its own success and hegemony.

  361. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Your whole take is ridiculous and suspect. You make it sound as if Ukraine's main partner in this war is George Soros. Unless you believe that Soros controls the US and all of the rest of the western world, this is a ridiclous position to hold.

    Ukraine is in no position to be too picky in whom it reaches out to and tries to gets some help. Its aggressor is large and is well funded. Ukraine's historic quest is to rid itself of Russian imperialistic designs and enjoy the political freedoms of its neighbors, who've already achieved this laudable goal, including your very own Slovakia. A lot of Muslim Caucasians are in no hurry to support Putin and his war against Ukraine. I ran into my neighbor (an Uzbeki Turk) last night and he was quick to share with me some photos within his smart phone. He showed me some photos of his yonger cousins within Ukraine that were fighting the Russians on the Ukrainian side. They had started out on the Russian side, but decided to switch sides, once in Ukraine. I'm pretty sure that the plan is to eventually get these cousins over to the US (they're a very clannish people). He told me that he has no love for Russia, for he spent many years living there, and was never able to get any sort of paperwork from the Russian bureaucrats, formalizing his Russian status. He said that America is a great country, for within several years, he was able to gain citizenship. Judging by the car(s) that he drives and his beautiful home, America has indeed been good to my neighbor.

    After proofreading, I realized that I got you mixed up with Beckos. I decided to not make any corrections, for lately you and him sound exactly alike. If you could convince him to support Trump, you'd be identical twins! :-)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    Ukraine was the largest geographic country in Europe. It’s not just justified.

  362. @Thulean Friend
    It's absurd to say that this war was a "lifeline" for the liberal order. Anyone who says that is in a delusional state of mind. The reason why rightoids lose is because they are narrow sectarians. Liberals know how to co-operate and understand it often entails compromising on national objectives in order to strengthen the larger whole.

    We already had a live test of which system was the strongest during the 20th century and liberalism destroyed all its competitors. The outcome of this war will not materially change the underlying reality that Russia's best days are past and it will forever be weaker than its Western counterparts. The best it can hope for is to play second fiddle and as a junior partner to a much stronger China.

    We should also be careful not to conflate all forms of nationalisms with rightoid ideology. Nationalism, after all, was often seen and attacked as a liberal project during the 19th century by romantic localists who did not wish to see their peripheral identity swallowed up into a much larger whole. This is something I did not appreciate fully until Mearsheimer wrote about it in his latest book, which I recently read. Even highly liberal societies like the US can simultaneously be very nationalistic under certain circumstances. Don't underestimate this.

    Indeed, even Russian nationalism as it is configured today has space for mixed-race individuals like Karlin and has a multi-ethnic army. Putin may be socially conservative on gender/LGBT but he's a liberal on other metrics. Hardly a perfect model for ethnic sectarians in the West.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke, @songbird

    The head of state in Ukraine is a Jewish actor. This war is no coincidence.

  363. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Nonsense. The Russians (like their tools here) were expecting the Ukrainian government and elites to flee Kiev and for resistance to be unorganized and ad hoc. For this purpose, elite paratroopers and a couple 10,000 troops including lots of OMON would have been sufficient and appropriate. Instead they fell into a trap.

    Very unlikely that the Russians would have deliberately allowed a lot of their elite paratroopers to be recklessly wasted like this in a false flag. This is just your cope. Instead it looks like the Russian really were going for a quick decapitation. Mass firings in Moscow further support that this was a major error.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail

    I didn’t say false flag. Is the idiom not understood by you? False Flag would have been Russian Paratroopers storming the Kremlin in Ukrainian uniforms.

    That was a “coup de main” attempt in Kiev. It didn’t work. But the over all effect will be shrunken Ukraine with no coastline.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    I miswrote “false flag” when I meant to write “feint.” A Russian cope is that the Kiev battle where they were defeated was a feint all along. In reality it was a sincere attempt to seize Kiev that failed and resulted in the loss of many elite Russian troops.

    Ukraine wasn’t going to defend the southern plains that are flat and treeless and provide no cover for its troops. In that region they can only sit in and defend some cities while bleeding the Russians, such as in Mariupol which is already being captured for the 20th time today.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  364. @songbird
    @AP

    Here is a bit of well executed poetry:


    Lonely antagonists of Destiny,
    That went down scornful before many spears,
    Who, soon as we are born, are straight our friends;
    And live in simple music, country songs,
    And mournful ballads by the winter fire,
     
    It is not something Sigmund Freud would write, while he was taking cocaine. Not something full of disgusting scatological and homosexual references.

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa

    Sure, but that wasn’t meant for the comment section at Unz.

  365. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are the only one convinced that there were only 4.3k
     
    I’m not even necessarily convinced; those are simply the only specific figures I’ve seen. They are from Russian wiki. I tried to confirm or disconfirm by looking up the identified Ukrainian units but saw numbers for only one - 1,200 soldiers, a couple of years ago. This would match the 4300 number.

    Can you give me a link to other numbers? Hopefully not Russian propaganda sources?

    Replies: @Beckow

    You use the term “propaganda” very loosely. In practice all sides always do propaganda, it is really only a question of degree and topic. Focus and evaluate the information provided and don’t hide behind labels like propaganda, “fake”, or conspiracy. Those are simply ways for one side to devalue what the other side is saying. That doesn’t help anyone to get to the truth. Given your biases it would make no sense to provide links – you can find them easily and it is up to you to evaluate the information if you remain open-minded.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow

    I actually have not found them easily. I provided a link to the 4300 figure; you claim 15k so please provide a link for that number.

  366. @Thulean Friend
    It's absurd to say that this war was a "lifeline" for the liberal order. Anyone who says that is in a delusional state of mind. The reason why rightoids lose is because they are narrow sectarians. Liberals know how to co-operate and understand it often entails compromising on national objectives in order to strengthen the larger whole.

    We already had a live test of which system was the strongest during the 20th century and liberalism destroyed all its competitors. The outcome of this war will not materially change the underlying reality that Russia's best days are past and it will forever be weaker than its Western counterparts. The best it can hope for is to play second fiddle and as a junior partner to a much stronger China.

    We should also be careful not to conflate all forms of nationalisms with rightoid ideology. Nationalism, after all, was often seen and attacked as a liberal project during the 19th century by romantic localists who did not wish to see their peripheral identity swallowed up into a much larger whole. This is something I did not appreciate fully until Mearsheimer wrote about it in his latest book, which I recently read. Even highly liberal societies like the US can simultaneously be very nationalistic under certain circumstances. Don't underestimate this.

    Indeed, even Russian nationalism as it is configured today has space for mixed-race individuals like Karlin and has a multi-ethnic army. Putin may be socially conservative on gender/LGBT but he's a liberal on other metrics. Hardly a perfect model for ethnic sectarians in the West.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke, @songbird

    We already had a live test of which system was the strongest during the 20th century and liberalism destroyed all its competitors.

    Well, geography goes into systems, and systems go into geography.

    It is not surprising that the Anglo world was triumphant, especially with America, with its singularly good geography at its core. But what if that had been the H-man’s base?

    Anyway, geography goes into China’s system, and it is of a similar scale to America. Greater, when you count population. I wouldn’t count it out yet.

    And the Korean peninsula is an interesting test of systems. Wouldn’t count the Jucheists out yet, either. And they were created with the help of the Chinese. That was regional, but in opposition to the US. Imagine what might happen, when they start projecting power.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Anyway, geography goes into China’s system, and it is of a similar scale to America. Greater, when you count population. I wouldn’t count it out yet.
     
    iirc some American hegemonists claim that China could just be blockaded in case of conflict, with the straits of Malacca as a choke point, and eventually be starved into submission (sort of like imperial Germany in WW1). Obviously a Russo-Chinese alliance (maybe with Iran as another junior partner) would complicate such a scenario though.
    But I agree with your larger point, if there's a sort of Chinese fascism (Communist only in name, but not held back by Soviet-style economics) imo it's far from clear it would be inherently inferior to Western "liberalism".

    Replies: @songbird, @Wokechoke

  367. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Your whole take is ridiculous and suspect. You make it sound as if Ukraine's main partner in this war is George Soros. Unless you believe that Soros controls the US and all of the rest of the western world, this is a ridiclous position to hold.

    Ukraine is in no position to be too picky in whom it reaches out to and tries to gets some help. Its aggressor is large and is well funded. Ukraine's historic quest is to rid itself of Russian imperialistic designs and enjoy the political freedoms of its neighbors, who've already achieved this laudable goal, including your very own Slovakia. A lot of Muslim Caucasians are in no hurry to support Putin and his war against Ukraine. I ran into my neighbor (an Uzbeki Turk) last night and he was quick to share with me some photos within his smart phone. He showed me some photos of his yonger cousins within Ukraine that were fighting the Russians on the Ukrainian side. They had started out on the Russian side, but decided to switch sides, once in Ukraine. I'm pretty sure that the plan is to eventually get these cousins over to the US (they're a very clannish people). He told me that he has no love for Russia, for he spent many years living there, and was never able to get any sort of paperwork from the Russian bureaucrats, formalizing his Russian status. He said that America is a great country, for within several years, he was able to gain citizenship. Judging by the car(s) that he drives and his beautiful home, America has indeed been good to my neighbor.

    After proofreading, I realized that I got you mixed up with Beckos. I decided to not make any corrections, for lately you and him sound exactly alike. If you could convince him to support Trump, you'd be identical twins! :-)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    You make it sound as if Ukraine’s main partner in this war is George Soros. Unless you believe that Soros controls the US and all of the rest of the western world, this is a ridiclous position to hold.

    SJW Islamic Globalists are certainly the force (not partner) that suckered Ukraine into a hopeless situation. They puppet master Not-The-President Biden from Davos.

    Who is a more consistent and powerful source of funding for SJW Muslim causes? The IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Society Foundation spread hate everywhere they go. Why else would his SeaWatch NGO transporting Jihadist invaders open display Antifa and rainbow flags?

      

    It is not like I am alone. Christian Europe has pegged George IslamoSoros as a vile offender and existential threat: (1)

    If you think billionaire liberal George Soros is a horrible person, you’re not alone.

    It’s not just here in America where Soros has earned himself a reputation for being corrupt, malicious, and an ever-ready opponent of liberty. Apparently, the man who has been leading the Democrat Party for the last 20 years or so, is also quite hated in Europe.

    Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán delivered a scathing indictment of the world’s liberals and arguing that Hungary had the right to implement whatever immigration policies it chooses to, and that the nation also had the right to fight back against the underhanded efforts of Soros and his minions.

    Orbán’s comments echoed sentiments he articulated during an interview a few weeks ago where he explained that George Soros and his lackeys were acting as if they were above Hungary’s laws in their attempts to abuse the system and grab more power for themselves.

    The IslamoSoros is a “power behind the throne” supporting Wokeslam’s more visible SJW leaders including Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
    ___

    I genuinely feel sorry for Ukraine. However, their leaders are fools serving SJW Islamic Globalism. There is no way forward as long as Zelensky is ensnared by the Siren’s Song of SJW Multiculturalism.

    After proofreading, I realized that I got you mixed up with [Beckow]. I decided to not make any corrections, for lately you and him sound exactly alike. If you could convince him to support Trump, you’d be identical twins! 🙂

    Doubtful. No one has been able to present evidence that George IslamoSoros is anything other than a Muslim. Yet everyone else keeps trying to say things like, “SJW & Islam are merely working together” rather than a unified side.

    *shrug*

    There is only so much TRUTH I can reveal.

    Ocean’s Razor will eventually bring people around. Theoretically, separate sides can only have identical policies and use identical flags for so long before people see through the surface and find there is only one unified group.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://thewashingtonstandard.com/prime-minister-hungary-george-soros-ruined-millions-lives/

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123

    "Ocean’s Razor" should obviously be "Occam's Razor".

    Stupid, friggen autocorrect.... If I meant *duck* I would have said *duck*.

    PEACE 😇
    ________


    😁Open Thread Humor😂 below [MORE] possibly mildly NSFW.

     
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    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Yet, you've still not drawn any line between Soros funding the Ukrainian side in this war. just a bunch of Conspiracy theory theories. The US is providing military and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros, unless you feel that Soros (the Muslim) controls the US?...


    I genuinely feel sorry for Ukraine. However, their leaders are fools serving SJW Islamic Globalism.
     
    You're the only one that sounds foolish to me, for believing in this sort of nonsense. Ukraine is serving its own interests, and is supported by the vast majority of Ukrainians. They want to beat off an attack on their country by the Russians, nothing more and nothing less. Are you so obtuse to be unable to understand this? If America were being attacked by a foreign power and had many of its civilians bombed and killed, wouldn't you also want to beat back any such heartless intrusion? There's no need to dig and try to uncover some sinister Globohomo/SJW/Soros conspiracy theories to buttress Putler's vicious and senseless war.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  368. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    We already had a live test of which system was the strongest during the 20th century and liberalism destroyed all its competitors.
     
    Well, geography goes into systems, and systems go into geography.

    It is not surprising that the Anglo world was triumphant, especially with America, with its singularly good geography at its core. But what if that had been the H-man's base?

    Anyway, geography goes into China's system, and it is of a similar scale to America. Greater, when you count population. I wouldn't count it out yet.

    And the Korean peninsula is an interesting test of systems. Wouldn't count the Jucheists out yet, either. And they were created with the help of the Chinese. That was regional, but in opposition to the US. Imagine what might happen, when they start projecting power.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Anyway, geography goes into China’s system, and it is of a similar scale to America. Greater, when you count population. I wouldn’t count it out yet.

    iirc some American hegemonists claim that China could just be blockaded in case of conflict, with the straits of Malacca as a choke point, and eventually be starved into submission (sort of like imperial Germany in WW1). Obviously a Russo-Chinese alliance (maybe with Iran as another junior partner) would complicate such a scenario though.
    But I agree with your larger point, if there’s a sort of Chinese fascism (Communist only in name, but not held back by Soviet-style economics) imo it’s far from clear it would be inherently inferior to Western “liberalism”.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    iirc some American hegemonists claim that China could just be blockaded in case of conflict, with the straits of Malacca as a choke point
     
    One of the reasons that the US has such good geography is that it is easier for it to control the world's seven or so chokepoints. I mean, for example, who else but the US is going to control Panama?

    But there is also another side of that. The open geography of the US, means that it had an open system, that was open to invasion. Invasion which substantially weakens it.

    China had geography that was more closed, which helped them develop their separate system. Right, now it moderates their potential for aggressive behavior. They had large scale brownouts and blackouts last year, so their energy position is very precarious right now, but that is something that potentially can be changed in time, with the help of nuclear power.

    I doubt that they can be bottled up forever. Seems to me they have at least two outs. Singapore, with its Chinese majority (Yellowface Anon might disagree when one counts migrants) sits on one side of the straits. If there is to be enough military conflict that the straights are blocked, then they could as easily be seized.

    Also, there is Taiwan. Taiwanese that I know in America have an ethno-psychic connection to China. They do not see it as an enemy. And that isn't counting the possibility of any of their neighbors being brought into their orbit.

    They just signed a security pact with the Solomon Islands. No base, for now. But it is easy to see how they can establish relationships with different countries in strategic places.
    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Taiwan would make them difficult to blockade by sea if they ever grabbed it back.

  369. A123 says: • Website
    @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    You make it sound as if Ukraine’s main partner in this war is George Soros. Unless you believe that Soros controls the US and all of the rest of the western world, this is a ridiclous position to hold.
     
    SJW Islamic Globalists are certainly the force (not partner) that suckered Ukraine into a hopeless situation. They puppet master Not-The-President Biden from Davos.

    Who is a more consistent and powerful source of funding for SJW Muslim causes? The IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Society Foundation spread hate everywhere they go. Why else would his SeaWatch NGO transporting Jihadist invaders open display Antifa and rainbow flags?

     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_iZ-C7cdJ98/YHGaUpvkHRI/AAAAAAAAGLo/clpVoF7uSx8hUxYpkOsauif6Ps-LMyFfwCLcBGAsYHQ/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Evangelic%2BChurch%2BGermany%2BAntifa%2Bpeople%2Bsmugglers.jpg
     

    It is not like I am alone. Christian Europe has pegged George IslamoSoros as a vile offender and existential threat: (1)


    If you think billionaire liberal George Soros is a horrible person, you’re not alone.

    It’s not just here in America where Soros has earned himself a reputation for being corrupt, malicious, and an ever-ready opponent of liberty. Apparently, the man who has been leading the Democrat Party for the last 20 years or so, is also quite hated in Europe.

    Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán delivered a scathing indictment of the world’s liberals and arguing that Hungary had the right to implement whatever immigration policies it chooses to, and that the nation also had the right to fight back against the underhanded efforts of Soros and his minions.

    Orbán’s comments echoed sentiments he articulated during an interview a few weeks ago where he explained that George Soros and his lackeys were acting as if they were above Hungary’s laws in their attempts to abuse the system and grab more power for themselves.
     

    The IslamoSoros is a "power behind the throne" supporting Wokeslam's more visible SJW leaders including Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
    ___

    I genuinely feel sorry for Ukraine. However, their leaders are fools serving SJW Islamic Globalism. There is no way forward as long as Zelensky is ensnared by the Siren's Song of SJW Multiculturalism.


    After proofreading, I realized that I got you mixed up with [Beckow]. I decided to not make any corrections, for lately you and him sound exactly alike. If you could convince him to support Trump, you’d be identical twins! 🙂
     
    Doubtful. No one has been able to present evidence that George IslamoSoros is anything other than a Muslim. Yet everyone else keeps trying to say things like, "SJW & Islam are merely working together" rather than a unified side.

    *shrug*

    There is only so much TRUTH I can reveal.

    Ocean's Razor will eventually bring people around. Theoretically, separate sides can only have identical policies and use identical flags for so long before people see through the surface and find there is only one unified group.

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    (1) https://thewashingtonstandard.com/prime-minister-hungary-george-soros-ruined-millions-lives/

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    “Ocean’s Razor” should obviously be “Occam’s Razor”.

    Stupid, friggen autocorrect…. If I meant *duck* I would have said *duck*.

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    😁Open Thread Humor😂 below [MORE] possibly mildly NSFW.

    [MORE]

     
     
     

    thepubliceditor.com
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  370. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Anyway, geography goes into China’s system, and it is of a similar scale to America. Greater, when you count population. I wouldn’t count it out yet.
     
    iirc some American hegemonists claim that China could just be blockaded in case of conflict, with the straits of Malacca as a choke point, and eventually be starved into submission (sort of like imperial Germany in WW1). Obviously a Russo-Chinese alliance (maybe with Iran as another junior partner) would complicate such a scenario though.
    But I agree with your larger point, if there's a sort of Chinese fascism (Communist only in name, but not held back by Soviet-style economics) imo it's far from clear it would be inherently inferior to Western "liberalism".

    Replies: @songbird, @Wokechoke

    iirc some American hegemonists claim that China could just be blockaded in case of conflict, with the straits of Malacca as a choke point

    One of the reasons that the US has such good geography is that it is easier for it to control the world’s seven or so chokepoints. I mean, for example, who else but the US is going to control Panama?

    But there is also another side of that. The open geography of the US, means that it had an open system, that was open to invasion. Invasion which substantially weakens it.

    China had geography that was more closed, which helped them develop their separate system. Right, now it moderates their potential for aggressive behavior. They had large scale brownouts and blackouts last year, so their energy position is very precarious right now, but that is something that potentially can be changed in time, with the help of nuclear power.

    [MORE]

    I doubt that they can be bottled up forever. Seems to me they have at least two outs. Singapore, with its Chinese majority (Yellowface Anon might disagree when one counts migrants) sits on one side of the straits. If there is to be enough military conflict that the straights are blocked, then they could as easily be seized.

    Also, there is Taiwan. Taiwanese that I know in America have an ethno-psychic connection to China. They do not see it as an enemy. And that isn’t counting the possibility of any of their neighbors being brought into their orbit.

    They just signed a security pact with the Solomon Islands. No base, for now. But it is easy to see how they can establish relationships with different countries in strategic places.

  371. AP says:
    @Wokechoke
    @AP

    I didn’t say false flag. Is the idiom not understood by you? False Flag would have been Russian Paratroopers storming the Kremlin in Ukrainian uniforms.

    That was a “coup de main” attempt in Kiev. It didn’t work. But the over all effect will be shrunken Ukraine with no coastline.

    Replies: @AP

    I miswrote “false flag” when I meant to write “feint.” A Russian cope is that the Kiev battle where they were defeated was a feint all along. In reality it was a sincere attempt to seize Kiev that failed and resulted in the loss of many elite Russian troops.

    Ukraine wasn’t going to defend the southern plains that are flat and treeless and provide no cover for its troops. In that region they can only sit in and defend some cities while bleeding the Russians, such as in Mariupol which is already being captured for the 20th time today.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasion-day-36-summary/

    The locations of Brigades are now being published on this site. Which is quite an interesting shift in policy.

  372. @Beckow
    @AP

    You use the term "propaganda" very loosely. In practice all sides always do propaganda, it is really only a question of degree and topic. Focus and evaluate the information provided and don't hide behind labels like propaganda, "fake", or conspiracy. Those are simply ways for one side to devalue what the other side is saying. That doesn't help anyone to get to the truth. Given your biases it would make no sense to provide links - you can find them easily and it is up to you to evaluate the information if you remain open-minded.

    Replies: @AP

    I actually have not found them easily. I provided a link to the 4300 figure; you claim 15k so please provide a link for that number.

  373. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    These authors (bloggers) are here by design. I had a dialogue with Ron Unz recently about the Maidan massacre. He admitted that the evidence pointing towards the Russian side of the street from were the shootings took place was solid and even "scientific" but yet he couldn't bring himself to admit that it was convincing, due to some sort of "political" interference. I guess that politics is more important than "scientific evidence"? :-)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ron Unz

    I had a dialogue with Ron Unz recently about the Maidan massacre. He admitted that the evidence pointing towards the Russian side of the street from were the shootings took place was solid and even “scientific”

    That’s a very misleading characterization of my position. I said I very strongly suspected that the alleged “scientific” evidence was simply fabricated by Intelligence agencies…

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    This is a good website for tracking Russian and Ukrainian units. Excellent looking maps and symbols.

    https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasion-day-36-summary/

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ron Unz

    I don't think that my characterization of your stance was very misleading. To be sure, I'll just copy/paste it over to here, where anybody reading this will be able to make up his own mind. BTW, this is your opinion after you finally read the NYT article and watched the accompanying clip:


    The sort of detailed technical analysis provided seems very thorough and is exactly the sort of approach one should take to determine what really happened. If this were a scientific question rather than a political one, I’d probably find it pretty persuasive.

    But it is an ultra high-profile political matter involving the most sensitive international issues, so the first question is whether the groups or individuals providing the technical analysis can be trusted. What if they’re just lying or fabricating their data? Nuland did brag about spending $5 billion to shift Ukraine’s politics, and $5 billion will pay for a lot of fabrication and lies. So I just can’t believe a single word in that NYT article or the video. Maybe that’s unfair, but Intelligence agencies controlled by Neocons have huge expertise in lying and fabrication, which is their main line of work.
     

    Your "what if" doesn't really substantiate your following premise, does it? It's just an opinion, perhaps correct, perhaps not. There's no proof that the data was fabricated. And just on the face of it, based on the data provided, you admit that it looks "pretty persuasive".

    Replies: @Beckow

  374. @Ron Unz
    @Mr. Hack


    I had a dialogue with Ron Unz recently about the Maidan massacre. He admitted that the evidence pointing towards the Russian side of the street from were the shootings took place was solid and even “scientific”
     
    That's a very misleading characterization of my position. I said I very strongly suspected that the alleged "scientific" evidence was simply fabricated by Intelligence agencies...

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    This is a good website for tracking Russian and Ukrainian units. Excellent looking maps and symbols.

    https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasion-day-36-summary/

  375. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    I miswrote “false flag” when I meant to write “feint.” A Russian cope is that the Kiev battle where they were defeated was a feint all along. In reality it was a sincere attempt to seize Kiev that failed and resulted in the loss of many elite Russian troops.

    Ukraine wasn’t going to defend the southern plains that are flat and treeless and provide no cover for its troops. In that region they can only sit in and defend some cities while bleeding the Russians, such as in Mariupol which is already being captured for the 20th time today.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasion-day-36-summary/

    The locations of Brigades are now being published on this site. Which is quite an interesting shift in policy.

  376. @songbird
    @AP

    Here is a bit of well executed poetry:


    Lonely antagonists of Destiny,
    That went down scornful before many spears,
    Who, soon as we are born, are straight our friends;
    And live in simple music, country songs,
    And mournful ballads by the winter fire,
     
    It is not something Sigmund Freud would write, while he was taking cocaine. Not something full of disgusting scatological and homosexual references.

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa

    Well, I just assumed that utu was reading off the pitch sheet for some Hollywood “Support Ukraine Fundraiser Musical Extravaganza”. Seemed plausible enough.

    • LOL: songbird
  377. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Anyway, geography goes into China’s system, and it is of a similar scale to America. Greater, when you count population. I wouldn’t count it out yet.
     
    iirc some American hegemonists claim that China could just be blockaded in case of conflict, with the straits of Malacca as a choke point, and eventually be starved into submission (sort of like imperial Germany in WW1). Obviously a Russo-Chinese alliance (maybe with Iran as another junior partner) would complicate such a scenario though.
    But I agree with your larger point, if there's a sort of Chinese fascism (Communist only in name, but not held back by Soviet-style economics) imo it's far from clear it would be inherently inferior to Western "liberalism".

    Replies: @songbird, @Wokechoke

    Taiwan would make them difficult to blockade by sea if they ever grabbed it back.

  378. @Ron Unz
    @Mr. Hack


    I had a dialogue with Ron Unz recently about the Maidan massacre. He admitted that the evidence pointing towards the Russian side of the street from were the shootings took place was solid and even “scientific”
     
    That's a very misleading characterization of my position. I said I very strongly suspected that the alleged "scientific" evidence was simply fabricated by Intelligence agencies...

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    I don’t think that my characterization of your stance was very misleading. To be sure, I’ll just copy/paste it over to here, where anybody reading this will be able to make up his own mind. BTW, this is your opinion after you finally read the NYT article and watched the accompanying clip:

    The sort of detailed technical analysis provided seems very thorough and is exactly the sort of approach one should take to determine what really happened. If this were a scientific question rather than a political one, I’d probably find it pretty persuasive.

    But it is an ultra high-profile political matter involving the most sensitive international issues, so the first question is whether the groups or individuals providing the technical analysis can be trusted. What if they’re just lying or fabricating their data? Nuland did brag about spending $5 billion to shift Ukraine’s politics, and $5 billion will pay for a lot of fabrication and lies. So I just can’t believe a single word in that NYT article or the video. Maybe that’s unfair, but Intelligence agencies controlled by Neocons have huge expertise in lying and fabrication, which is their main line of work.

    Your “what if” doesn’t really substantiate your following premise, does it? It’s just an opinion, perhaps correct, perhaps not. There’s no proof that the data was fabricated. And just on the face of it, based on the data provided, you admit that it looks “pretty persuasive”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    There is a video showing the Odessa massacre and the French made a movie about it. The basic facts are not in dispute. The precise sequence and who took a few shots from where were not established suggesting that Kiev didn't want the truth to come out - they are in charge in Odessa, so by not doing it they de facto confessed.

    You are starting to willfully misrepresent what others say and that is a sign of a collapsing intellectual position. You in effect defend the Odessa massacre by trying to minimize it. That is not a sustainable long-term position. These are the kinds of mistakes that has brought us to this bloody point. What next? are you going to claim that the POWs torture video was done by Russians dressed in Ukie uniforms? This is how a country drops down a steep chute into a complete oblivion. These are own goals.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

  379. Wild mood swings be like 😉

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @sudden death

    This seems to be an exceedingly common fallacy for invading armies. I suppose there is something to the idea that confidence is necessary to make something happen but hubris is blinding. I wonder how much of that swagger was felt inside the Kremlin as opposed to things put out for hoi polloi consumption.

    I think my statement from several open threads ago, still stands: multiply any invasion's expected difficulty x3 to get a real estimate of how it will go.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Philip Owen
    @sudden death

    Russia of All the Russias? The Russian Federation? We'd need context to see that clearly. All the Russias has certainly gone. What happens in Belarus when the Russian army collapses in the South and East? Lukashenko has sent his army back to barracks. It looks as though they won't attack despite their Russian officers. Next step on from that is to march on Minsk.

  380. @Mr. Hack
    @Ron Unz

    I don't think that my characterization of your stance was very misleading. To be sure, I'll just copy/paste it over to here, where anybody reading this will be able to make up his own mind. BTW, this is your opinion after you finally read the NYT article and watched the accompanying clip:


    The sort of detailed technical analysis provided seems very thorough and is exactly the sort of approach one should take to determine what really happened. If this were a scientific question rather than a political one, I’d probably find it pretty persuasive.

    But it is an ultra high-profile political matter involving the most sensitive international issues, so the first question is whether the groups or individuals providing the technical analysis can be trusted. What if they’re just lying or fabricating their data? Nuland did brag about spending $5 billion to shift Ukraine’s politics, and $5 billion will pay for a lot of fabrication and lies. So I just can’t believe a single word in that NYT article or the video. Maybe that’s unfair, but Intelligence agencies controlled by Neocons have huge expertise in lying and fabrication, which is their main line of work.
     

    Your "what if" doesn't really substantiate your following premise, does it? It's just an opinion, perhaps correct, perhaps not. There's no proof that the data was fabricated. And just on the face of it, based on the data provided, you admit that it looks "pretty persuasive".

    Replies: @Beckow

    There is a video showing the Odessa massacre and the French made a movie about it. The basic facts are not in dispute. The precise sequence and who took a few shots from where were not established suggesting that Kiev didn’t want the truth to come out – they are in charge in Odessa, so by not doing it they de facto confessed.

    You are starting to willfully misrepresent what others say and that is a sign of a collapsing intellectual position. You in effect defend the Odessa massacre by trying to minimize it. That is not a sustainable long-term position. These are the kinds of mistakes that has brought us to this bloody point. What next? are you going to claim that the POWs torture video was done by Russians dressed in Ukie uniforms? This is how a country drops down a steep chute into a complete oblivion. These are own goals.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    There is a video showing the Odessa massacre
     
    "Odessa massacre" is a good litmus test for a pro-Russian shill.

    Reality, with plenty of video evidence:

    https://khpg.org/en/1407453894
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    You are starting to willfully misrepresent what others say and that is a sign of a collapsing intellectual position.
     
    No truer words were ever written, especially by you. Ron and I were discussing the massacre in Kyiv on the Maidan, not anything at all in Odessa, you Dodo Bird! :-)

    https://static.turbosquid.com/Preview/2015/06/26__05_07_29/Dodo_cartoon_01.jpg52b5f891-75d1-419e-a561-a9c43c75533bLarge.jpg

    Easy does it Beckow...er, Dodo.
  381. @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    I expected the Russians up north would drive around doing a lot of shooting. Then leave.
    I didn't contemplate a rather larger capture of the Dneiper estuary happening at the same time. Dnieper is something like the Mississipi or Rhine for the Ukrainians.

    The airlanding at various airports seems to have been an attempt at a coup but the Russians never had more than 30,000 soldiers in Belorussia. They couldn't have captured a capital city with 5 million unless there was serious bluffing and local support to welcome them. In the end the supply column was a FUSAG sort of deception it appears to have not existed.

    Replies: @AP, @V. K. Ovelund

    In the end the supply column was a FUSAG sort of deception …

    FUSAG? Care to let me in on the jargon?

    … it appears to have not existed.

    Interesting. Reference?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @V. K. Ovelund

    First United States Army Group.


    The Germans were so convinced the allies would land as the Pas de Calais that the British cooked up a fictional army Group for Patton to command. It came with fake signals, camps, trucks, tanks. The reason that the Germans did not strike at the allies in Normandy with their reserve tanks is that FUSAG held their attention. Indeed, FUSAG also reduced the number of good German troops in Normandy for DDay itself. Had a single armoured division been in Caen and driven forward that day the invasion would have failed and the British murdered on the beach.

    Crossing from Crimea to the mainland is a sort of amphibious operation. This appears to have been the main attack by Russia after all.

  382. LatW says:

    Here is an interesting insight from the Ukrainian military expert Oleh Zhdanov (reserve colonel in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, 20 of years military experience). Sorry for the liberal translation (with imperfect English).

    Re: Changes on the front lines in recent days.

    “Things have slowed down, in the first weeks the combat tempo was insane, but now it has drastically slowed down. It’s obvious that the Russian Federation is exhausted. We significantly beat out their offensive potential. They’ve concluded that to carry out offensive operations in four directions simultaneously is too hard for them. They’ve decided to return to the original plan, focus on Donbas with additional strikes in other directions, such as Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol. We have been waiting for the second wave of their offensive for two weeks now while they’ve been assembling reserves. They’re currently unable to gather the numbers that could drastically change the situation in Ukraine, thus the operational pause is prolonged. They will try to replenish the troops north of Kyiv but will attempt to do this fast, with little training. The Ukrainian side is using this pause to bring more fire on the Russians. There are Ukrainian counter attacks in some directions, some territory being freed. We have organized a death grinder for the Russian troops. The troops reserved for the Donbas front, they are forced to send those in other directions to replenish the losses and the lost combat capacity. [Gives example of a captured soldier who was told to keep marching despite the losses of 50% in his unit, like in 1941. “Behind us only Moscow!”]. On top of that they need to strengthen the group in the East. We have created systemic difficulties for them. The situation is more advantageous to us than the Russian troops.

    [MORE]

    – As to the North, a line has been liberated, and they left Chernobyl. Does it mean this area has been liberated and the Russians will base themselves in Belarus?

    – Only along the Dniepr but not in the broader area. They are holding an important highway there. Hostomel and Bucha are under their control, only Irpin’ is ours. And the Hostomel airport. They’re actively digging trenches in Bucha. They are trying to get into the ground firing constantly so we can’t approach their positions. They did leave Chernobyl. They couldn’t do much due to radiation. We will have to inspect the sarcophagus now.

    – What’s going to happen in the South? Especially Mariupol.

    – Echelons with equipment are arriving in Debaltsevo. Russia is trying to grow the group there. Hard to say when they will be ready and how long the operational pause will last, a week, 10 days, no idea. The tempo to increase forces is not as high as RF desired. It’s in our advantage. We can regroup and prepare for the solution of this event. As to Mariupol, it is fulfilling its goal, absorbing a lot of Russian attention and the better Russian combat forces. The sacrifices are not in vain, we can control other areas because of that.

    – Can Kyiv be finally de-blockaded soon? Rockets are being pulled into Belarus.

    – They have been doing that for a while. They are bringing them in with planes now, not railway, picking up everything they have all over Russia. We know that one more Iskander rocket brigade is arriving so they will be increasing the number of rocket strikes on our territory. The second strike will be similar to the one that took place in the morning of Feb 24. A massive missile strike and there will be an offense towards all directions. That’s why they’re digging trenches. But the main strike will be focused on the East. If they break our defense in the East, that grouping will bifurcate – one part of it will create a ring in the south around our forces and the other part will be breaking through Dniepr towards Kyiv. Most likely this is their intended scenario.

    – The Defense minister of UK said that the British will provide Ukraine with long range missiles.

    – Anti ship missiles. And zenith complexes. This is what Boris Johnson meant when he said we should be given more lethal weapons. The time has probably come when more serious weapons need to be provided. Notice how quickly Australia reacted to the request of Zelensky for armored vehicles. Quick decision by the Australian PM. The most important factor now is that all of this can be delivered on time. We have good chances to hold our ground through this as it is, but if these weapons come on time, our chances of holding our ground through this increase. It won’t be easy, but we have a chance to stand through and bring them a military defeat in Donbas. And by the way, that will be the decisive struggle of this war. This battle should complete the critical fracture in this war. After this repeated attempted strike in Donbas we will know where we are and what are our chances of winning this war. Only then the foundation for negotiations will surface.

    – What about the optimistic foreign intelligence reports that Ukraine is beginning to win. Such optimism is not typical for Western intelligence sources especially given the severity of the situation.

    – These are based on what we ourselves see and what their intelligence is seeing. We’ve been waiting for two weeks. Where is the [Russian] operational reserve? The Russians have announced a secret mobilization in 8 regions of Russia. Did it fall through? They promised 16000 mercenaries from Central Asia. 400 people arrived. So nothing. They took 800 people from the base in Armenia. Even some from Azerbaijan. From Tajikistan, as the result of which the Taliban have announced they’ll try to enter the Fergana Valley in April. China and India are discussing this issue as Russia no longer seems to be a guarantor of security there. In the Pacific, their navy started a training near the Kurils that was caused by the Japanese announcement (Russia left the peace treaty negotiations with Japan). 3000 troops are involved there. They started mobilization according to the so called BARS. As to equipment, they are trying to pull up the Soviet equipment, some of that equipment is missing even motors. Some BTRs run on old school diesel. These weapons were not properly maintained.

    The NATO intelligence had an internal scandal recently for overvaluing the Russian military capacity.

    – Seems that these actions by Russia have initiated some movements in the post-Soviet space. Azerbaijan is one story. In Georgia, South Ossetian troops came here and then went back to Ossetia. They want to join RF. Armenia stated that it did not offer its air space to Russia. What consequences can this bring?

    – When an earthquake starts you experience the first few rumblings and everything starts shaking mildly. This is what’s happening around the Russian Federation. They have gathered troops from Abkhazia and those troops are now here in Ukraine. Georgia only woke up about it now. They will join the sanctions despite of the pro-Russian stance of their government. The pyramid is starting to crumble. Even Belarus, the closest and the most strictly controlled Russian ally, does not want to join this war. This process will continue and grow. As to South Ossetia wanting to join RF, it’s an attempt of the local proxies to save their hide [skin]. They hope that by joining Russia, Russia will be forced to protect its territory. But if they don’t join, they are not recognized by anybody, if Russia loses this war, the return of the constitutional order of Georgia on these territories is imminent. Same for us in Ukraine [with our annexed territories] if we were to restore our territorial integrity and sovereignty. Kremlin doesn’t even respond to these requests as they have more immediate concerns. The Generalshtab, top military HQ [..] Putin is demanding a victory. Soon. War should be completed by May 7 so that he can bring something substantial to the public during the May 9 parade. the Russian public is electrified, based on their social networks, the Russian public is very jingoist right now. “Russia getting up from its knees, where is the victory?” But when it’s time to go to the voenkomat [army recruitment center], there is less enthusiasm. They are all sitting on their couches in front of the TV, nobody is looking in the fridge or out the window. They are all waiting for a victory on TV and supporting their president on TV. This is in our advantage. But because there is only one order coming out of the bunker, “Forwards, take it, no matter the price!”. This creates a psychological pressure on the Generalshtab, because they are absorbing the concentrated information from the frontlines, from the bottom, who are saying “We can’t, we need more reinforcements, give us more troops!”. But the Generalshtab is given an order from the Kremlin, “Keep attacking!” At some point this will explode at the level of Generalshtab. When they will fully acknowledge that this Putin’s order is impossible to carry out. Physically impossible. Then the explosion will happen and then we can expect some movements in the highest echelons of the political leadership of Russia.

    – Biden said recently: “Putin is self isolated, or fired his advisors, or put them on house arrest”. Is this what you mean is what’s happening in the Generalshtab?

    – When was the last time that Shoigu and Gerasimov where inside of the bunker? 3 weeks ago? When was Lavrov there, a month ago? Only Peskov is near Putin right now. I agree with this evaluation. Putin has driven everyone out, he’s nervous as time is passing, but the results are lacking. An all out mobilization should be announced, but how can he explain that to his public if he kept repeating that the “operation is proceeding according to the plan and we are at the closing stages of it”. How will the Russian public accept that? There is only one step from love to hatred. All dictators before the finish lines of their political careers had high public approval ratings.

    If you look at historical analogies, it is similar to Hitler in the spring of 1945. He demanded that the reserves be thrown into the front. To defeat the Allies and then Germany would win…”

    Выстоим.

    • Thanks: AP, sudden death, Mr. Hack
  383. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Wokechoke


    In the end the supply column was a FUSAG sort of deception ...
     
    FUSAG? Care to let me in on the jargon?

    ... it appears to have not existed.
     
    Interesting. Reference?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    First United States Army Group.

    The Germans were so convinced the allies would land as the Pas de Calais that the British cooked up a fictional army Group for Patton to command. It came with fake signals, camps, trucks, tanks. The reason that the Germans did not strike at the allies in Normandy with their reserve tanks is that FUSAG held their attention. Indeed, FUSAG also reduced the number of good German troops in Normandy for DDay itself. Had a single armoured division been in Caen and driven forward that day the invasion would have failed and the British murdered on the beach.

    Crossing from Crimea to the mainland is a sort of amphibious operation. This appears to have been the main attack by Russia after all.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  384. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    There is a video showing the Odessa massacre and the French made a movie about it. The basic facts are not in dispute. The precise sequence and who took a few shots from where were not established suggesting that Kiev didn't want the truth to come out - they are in charge in Odessa, so by not doing it they de facto confessed.

    You are starting to willfully misrepresent what others say and that is a sign of a collapsing intellectual position. You in effect defend the Odessa massacre by trying to minimize it. That is not a sustainable long-term position. These are the kinds of mistakes that has brought us to this bloody point. What next? are you going to claim that the POWs torture video was done by Russians dressed in Ukie uniforms? This is how a country drops down a steep chute into a complete oblivion. These are own goals.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    There is a video showing the Odessa massacre

    “Odessa massacre” is a good litmus test for a pro-Russian shill.

    Reality, with plenty of video evidence:

    https://khpg.org/en/1407453894

  385. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    There is a video showing the Odessa massacre and the French made a movie about it. The basic facts are not in dispute. The precise sequence and who took a few shots from where were not established suggesting that Kiev didn't want the truth to come out - they are in charge in Odessa, so by not doing it they de facto confessed.

    You are starting to willfully misrepresent what others say and that is a sign of a collapsing intellectual position. You in effect defend the Odessa massacre by trying to minimize it. That is not a sustainable long-term position. These are the kinds of mistakes that has brought us to this bloody point. What next? are you going to claim that the POWs torture video was done by Russians dressed in Ukie uniforms? This is how a country drops down a steep chute into a complete oblivion. These are own goals.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    You are starting to willfully misrepresent what others say and that is a sign of a collapsing intellectual position.

    No truer words were ever written, especially by you. Ron and I were discussing the massacre in Kyiv on the Maidan, not anything at all in Odessa, you Dodo Bird! 🙂

    Easy does it Beckow…er, Dodo.

  386. @utu
    @German_reader

    "In any case, there’s not much point to having a “discussion” with you." - So why do you keep starting discussions with me. My comment #200 was to Triteleia Laxa to which you responded calling me "authoritarian normie".

    Apparently it very much does not agree with you that I emphasize Russian subversion. You wrote to Mr. Hack:


    My issue is rather that [utu] seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren’t for Russia’s evil influence.
     
    and I remember you were totally against my supposition that there were Kremlin fingers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada to paralyze Ottawa government prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

    Obviously you misconstrue, purposefully I think, because I do recognize legitimate reasons for discontent on the Right though believing that vaccines have nano-self-assembling chips is not one of them. Russian propaganda does not care which reasons are legitimate and which are not. It will stoke any reasons as long they get traction and as long as they undermine trust in Wester culture, institutions, governments, policies. Basically anything goes as long as it is subversive.

    And where do you see that I say or believe that everything would be find if it was not for Russia? But now Russia is the problem number one. There are no greater problems than Russia. After the dragon is slew and Russian cries uncle other problems can be dealt with like for example the preponderance of twats in Germany.

    I think that in some comments I have expressed som hope that because of this war that Russia started some problems will get new solutions. I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

    Anyway, not seeing the role of the scope of Russian subversion demonstrates your naivety that you are like a sleepwalker. This deserve a special normie label.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Brás Cubas, @Wokechoke

    I think that in some comments I have expressed som hope that because of this war that Russia started some problems will get new solutions. I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

    After long hours of exhaustive analysis, I at last decyphered what your secret plans for the world are. You intend to bring Putin down from the command of Russia and establish him as the commander of Europe!

  387. @German_reader
    @utu


    This is strange for people who are savvy enough to manipulate the whole rightoid sphere in the West to become their supporters to the point that every rightoid is a de facto Putinoid now.
     
    You're really the ultimate authoritarian normie. Can't be long before you demand that right-wingers (real ones, not the fake centrist whores) should be locked away, because they're all "Russian assets" anyway. iirc you've already demanded in the past anyway that Jared Taylor and other racists and "IQists" should be sent to prison, so such solutions come easily to you.
    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia's actions in Ukraine (justified on the whole, even though it's selective and media-driven) gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.

    Replies: @utu, @silviosilver, @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine [..] gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.

    Maybe in the West, and, yes, for the West, it is a fight against these “autocrats”, but not across Russia’s immediate neighborhood. There is a multi-cultural element here, because help to Ukraine has come from many circles and many nationalities. But on the ground, it is not a given that the globo-homo will necessarily advance. On the contrary. The status of the Ukrainian has visibly risen. The Ukrainian is now the European (and maybe even global to some extent) kshatriya. They are martyrs and heroes in one. Martial values will become more admirable and immediate survival (and eventually reconstruction) needs will be prioritized, not “special group” rights. It doesn’t mean people will be discriminated against, just that there will be less time and space for “woke” musings.

    If the Ukrainian is integrated into the larger European community, this will be a counterweight against the globo-homo, because, on average, the Ukrainian is more conservative than your average liberal Westerner. A lot, of course, depends on the negotiations with the EU, it is an open question what compromises can be reached there re: minority rights, etc. Of course, some in the elite may try to larp as “enlightened liberals”, but your typical Cossack is very freedom loving and doesn’t like being dictated to.

    Globo-homo typically arises from laxity of spirit, from comfort, from excess of resources, it has no place in a Spartan environment or in a “survival mode” environment. In the Spartan environment, which may appear around Russia, the masculine virtues will prevail. You have yourself admitted this before.

    [MORE]

    As to the Azov, they will not disappear. As I mentioned, they are a movement, not a static group of people. They self-regenerate (as long as more children are born).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    They are an offshoot of Right Sector. I don’t think that’s going to fly well in the EU.

    Replies: @LatW

  388. @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    You make it sound as if Ukraine’s main partner in this war is George Soros. Unless you believe that Soros controls the US and all of the rest of the western world, this is a ridiclous position to hold.
     
    SJW Islamic Globalists are certainly the force (not partner) that suckered Ukraine into a hopeless situation. They puppet master Not-The-President Biden from Davos.

    Who is a more consistent and powerful source of funding for SJW Muslim causes? The IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Society Foundation spread hate everywhere they go. Why else would his SeaWatch NGO transporting Jihadist invaders open display Antifa and rainbow flags?

     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_iZ-C7cdJ98/YHGaUpvkHRI/AAAAAAAAGLo/clpVoF7uSx8hUxYpkOsauif6Ps-LMyFfwCLcBGAsYHQ/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Evangelic%2BChurch%2BGermany%2BAntifa%2Bpeople%2Bsmugglers.jpg
     

    It is not like I am alone. Christian Europe has pegged George IslamoSoros as a vile offender and existential threat: (1)


    If you think billionaire liberal George Soros is a horrible person, you’re not alone.

    It’s not just here in America where Soros has earned himself a reputation for being corrupt, malicious, and an ever-ready opponent of liberty. Apparently, the man who has been leading the Democrat Party for the last 20 years or so, is also quite hated in Europe.

    Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán delivered a scathing indictment of the world’s liberals and arguing that Hungary had the right to implement whatever immigration policies it chooses to, and that the nation also had the right to fight back against the underhanded efforts of Soros and his minions.

    Orbán’s comments echoed sentiments he articulated during an interview a few weeks ago where he explained that George Soros and his lackeys were acting as if they were above Hungary’s laws in their attempts to abuse the system and grab more power for themselves.
     

    The IslamoSoros is a "power behind the throne" supporting Wokeslam's more visible SJW leaders including Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
    ___

    I genuinely feel sorry for Ukraine. However, their leaders are fools serving SJW Islamic Globalism. There is no way forward as long as Zelensky is ensnared by the Siren's Song of SJW Multiculturalism.


    After proofreading, I realized that I got you mixed up with [Beckow]. I decided to not make any corrections, for lately you and him sound exactly alike. If you could convince him to support Trump, you’d be identical twins! 🙂
     
    Doubtful. No one has been able to present evidence that George IslamoSoros is anything other than a Muslim. Yet everyone else keeps trying to say things like, "SJW & Islam are merely working together" rather than a unified side.

    *shrug*

    There is only so much TRUTH I can reveal.

    Ocean's Razor will eventually bring people around. Theoretically, separate sides can only have identical policies and use identical flags for so long before people see through the surface and find there is only one unified group.

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    (1) https://thewashingtonstandard.com/prime-minister-hungary-george-soros-ruined-millions-lives/

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    Yet, you’ve still not drawn any line between Soros funding the Ukrainian side in this war. just a bunch of Conspiracy theory theories. The US is providing military and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros, unless you feel that Soros (the Muslim) controls the US?…

    I genuinely feel sorry for Ukraine. However, their leaders are fools serving SJW Islamic Globalism.

    You’re the only one that sounds foolish to me, for believing in this sort of nonsense. Ukraine is serving its own interests, and is supported by the vast majority of Ukrainians. They want to beat off an attack on their country by the Russians, nothing more and nothing less. Are you so obtuse to be unable to understand this? If America were being attacked by a foreign power and had many of its civilians bombed and killed, wouldn’t you also want to beat back any such heartless intrusion? There’s no need to dig and try to uncover some sinister Globohomo/SJW/Soros conspiracy theories to buttress Putler’s vicious and senseless war.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack


    The US is providing military and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros,
     
    should be:

    The US is providing financial and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros,

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    Willing ignorance is a critical & obvious failure on your part.

    Everyone knows that Soros, the illegitimate Biden regime, and Zelensky are connected. None of this is hidden. However, in the interest of comity (1)


    if Russia is evil, why is Biden continuing to buy billions of dollars of oil from Russia every day? Does this make sense?

    Unless it's pure "commie theatre."

    Connect the dots. Biden is a feeble, feckless old puppet with dementia. George Soros pulls Biden's strings. Soros is on the side of Ukraine. Soros recently said the whole world must support Ukraine. It's been reported Soros funded Volodymyr Zelenskyy and then installed him as president of Ukraine -- one of the most corrupt nations on the earth.

    Keep in mind, evil billionaire Soros is obsessed with hatred for America. He desperately wants to destroy our country. Soros has funded the invasion of our borders. He helps pay for illegal aliens (many of them criminals, MS-13 gang members and murderers) to enter America.
     
    Its quite impressive & manipulative that IslamoSoros backed NGO's simultaneously backed rivals Poroshenko and Zelensky. Almost like democracy in Ukraine was a sham..... Much like the installation of Biden after he lost.
    _____

    If that is not enough for you, do your own research. If you want to produce evidence *disproving* such connections I would be open minded. However, The Burden of Proof is Yours.

    Let me once again pre-offer the proverbial cheese. Given your insubstantial track record we all expect you to whine, offering nothing of interest.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2022/03/06/heres-your-red-pill-moment-about-the-russiaukraine-war-n2604165
  389. @sudden death
    @AP

    imho for RF type true false flag and rage incitement would have been more useful to strike some commie block instead of that oil depot then to show all those civilian victims and announce on all prop channels it was UA Tochka rocket or something like that on all available domestic&abroad propaganda channels.

    Replies: @LatW

    true false flag

    Btw, Oleh Zhdanov in the above interview speculates that some munitions could’ve self exploded there because they are old and not well maintained. Not sure if it’s valid. Putin kept saying the UA air force has been disabled, so how come they hit Belgorod now? If they did do it, it’s understandable, because it’s a total war now. In a total war, neither side respects the other’s border. Scary…

    Btw, did you hear that the Russians who were in Chernobyl, tried to dig in there and by doing so uncovered the really contaminated soil… got all sick and were taken to Belarus with radiation sickness, with permanent damage to their health… so cruel to the troops.

    Did you hear the insane stories about the “biolab birds” that are sent into Russia from the Ukrainian territory? The Bandera Birds, lol.

    And did you see Solovyov’s whining about his lost properties in Italy….? From a couple of weeks ago… where he goes “Why do I need all this….”.

    Insane…

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Solovyov is not necessarily so wealthy. Maybe he has tens of millions of dollars. But perhaps in the sense villas in Italy (which I can't remember exactly what was their price estimation, but I might recall they could be tens of millions of dollars) could be a significant part of his retirement plans now lost.

    His job is likely stressful as well, as he always has improvise to generate emotions from his audience to support what he thinks can help authorities and this is changing.

    For example, before the election in 2019 in Ukraine, he was supporting Zelensky against Poroshenko, as all federal media. Zelensky was more "reasonable", Zelensky likes Russia and the nationalists hate him, etc. Then after election Solovyov had immediately to reverse against Zelensky who was Poroshenko 2, radical nationalist.

    Speed of these reversals sometimes really fast. Who knows what it is like to do this kind of job, but if this was your profession, I believe you would need to sometimes forget what you were saying a week before.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    , @JL
    @LatW


    Putin kept saying the UA air force has been disabled, so how come they hit Belgorod now?
     
    The Russians claimed the depot was hit with Mi-24s, which are helicopters. Helicopters don't belong to the air force, but to the army. And Ukraine still has some fully functional Su-27s parked in Romania, from what I gather.
    , @sudden death
    @LatW


    If they did do it, it’s understandable, because it’s a total war now. In a total war, neither side respects the other’s border. Scary…
     
    btw, it should be reminded - according to the official RF propaganda narrative it is UA that attacked inside RF territory prior Feb 24, so for the usual casual average citizen in RF the border crossing thing is not somehow revolutionizing event in this war, as in their own ruler created alternative reality, which many casuals do believe honestly, it has already been done.

    Replies: @LatW

  390. @LatW
    @German_reader


    One of the worst results of this war is that the outrage at Russia’s actions in Ukraine [..] gives new legitimacy to the globohomo system and empowers people like you who will cheer on on yet more repression of any dissenting opinions.
     
    Maybe in the West, and, yes, for the West, it is a fight against these "autocrats", but not across Russia's immediate neighborhood. There is a multi-cultural element here, because help to Ukraine has come from many circles and many nationalities. But on the ground, it is not a given that the globo-homo will necessarily advance. On the contrary. The status of the Ukrainian has visibly risen. The Ukrainian is now the European (and maybe even global to some extent) kshatriya. They are martyrs and heroes in one. Martial values will become more admirable and immediate survival (and eventually reconstruction) needs will be prioritized, not "special group" rights. It doesn't mean people will be discriminated against, just that there will be less time and space for "woke" musings.

    If the Ukrainian is integrated into the larger European community, this will be a counterweight against the globo-homo, because, on average, the Ukrainian is more conservative than your average liberal Westerner. A lot, of course, depends on the negotiations with the EU, it is an open question what compromises can be reached there re: minority rights, etc. Of course, some in the elite may try to larp as "enlightened liberals", but your typical Cossack is very freedom loving and doesn't like being dictated to.

    Globo-homo typically arises from laxity of spirit, from comfort, from excess of resources, it has no place in a Spartan environment or in a "survival mode" environment. In the Spartan environment, which may appear around Russia, the masculine virtues will prevail. You have yourself admitted this before.



    As to the Azov, they will not disappear. As I mentioned, they are a movement, not a static group of people. They self-regenerate (as long as more children are born).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    They are an offshoot of Right Sector. I don’t think that’s going to fly well in the EU.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    I don’t think that’s going to fly well in the EU.
     
    Nobody's going to be asking the EU...

    We will work around it. Let me just put it that way. If UA needs EU at all with all the endless acquis that puts on major obligations. Maybe they just need a separate treaty, for trade & investment, similar to what Norway has. The friendship, openness & free travel plus work is already there. They do however need to work on the rule of law. But nationalists are very obedient to rules so the Right Sector spirit might actually help here...

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  391. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Yet, you've still not drawn any line between Soros funding the Ukrainian side in this war. just a bunch of Conspiracy theory theories. The US is providing military and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros, unless you feel that Soros (the Muslim) controls the US?...


    I genuinely feel sorry for Ukraine. However, their leaders are fools serving SJW Islamic Globalism.
     
    You're the only one that sounds foolish to me, for believing in this sort of nonsense. Ukraine is serving its own interests, and is supported by the vast majority of Ukrainians. They want to beat off an attack on their country by the Russians, nothing more and nothing less. Are you so obtuse to be unable to understand this? If America were being attacked by a foreign power and had many of its civilians bombed and killed, wouldn't you also want to beat back any such heartless intrusion? There's no need to dig and try to uncover some sinister Globohomo/SJW/Soros conspiracy theories to buttress Putler's vicious and senseless war.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    The US is providing military and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros,

    should be:

    The US is providing financial and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros,

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    The banner image of the Open Society Foundation.


    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/

    The horse’s mouth…

    https://www.ceu.edu/article/2014-12-03/soros-explains-why-he-exerting-his-utmost-efforts-support-ukraine-during


    He’s an architect of these colour revolutions.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  392. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack


    The US is providing military and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros,
     
    should be:

    The US is providing financial and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros,

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The banner image of the Open Society Foundation.

    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/

    The horse’s mouth…

    https://www.ceu.edu/article/2014-12-03/soros-explains-why-he-exerting-his-utmost-efforts-support-ukraine-during

    He’s an architect of these colour revolutions.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    We were discussing the funding and military support of the current war. So how much has Soros given to Ukraine lately?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  393. @sudden death
    Wild mood swings be like ;)


    https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1507819641673900037

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Philip Owen

    This seems to be an exceedingly common fallacy for invading armies. I suppose there is something to the idea that confidence is necessary to make something happen but hubris is blinding. I wonder how much of that swagger was felt inside the Kremlin as opposed to things put out for hoi polloi consumption.

    I think my statement from several open threads ago, still stands: multiply any invasion’s expected difficulty x3 to get a real estimate of how it will go.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    multiply any invasion’s expected difficulty x3 to get a real estimate of how it will go
     
    Yes. Incredibly, the Russians don't seem to have learned anything from the experience of the US military campaigns in the last 20+ years.

    I remember how before the war started the "experts" were saying that all those Javelins would be useless because the Russians would obliterate the Ukrainian forces with stand off weapons before actually invading. Instead, the Russian generals decided pretty much to charge directly against the Javelins on multiple fronts...

    Although to be fair, I don't think the US or NATO would have fared much better in a war like the one the Russians chose: invading a huge and well armed country with a limited contingent stretched thin on various fronts and with the apparent objective of storming all big cities, one after the other. Has such a strategy ever worked well for anyone in the past?

    And to make matters worse, the political objectives of the operation, as expressed by Putin, looked unattainable even in the best-case scenario. It is quite ironic that it was the Saker, years ago when his rants still made some sense occasionally, who explained one obvious truth: it's pointless to start a war if it's not in the pursuit of very clear and achievable political goals.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

  394. Two different versions of “never give up”. Can you guess which version the “Birdman of Slovakia” likes better?

  395. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    They are an offshoot of Right Sector. I don’t think that’s going to fly well in the EU.

    Replies: @LatW

    I don’t think that’s going to fly well in the EU.

    Nobody’s going to be asking the EU…

    We will work around it. Let me just put it that way. If UA needs EU at all with all the endless acquis that puts on major obligations. Maybe they just need a separate treaty, for trade & investment, similar to what Norway has. The friendship, openness & free travel plus work is already there. They do however need to work on the rule of law. But nationalists are very obedient to rules so the Right Sector spirit might actually help here…

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Good luck with those visas

  396. @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    I don’t think that’s going to fly well in the EU.
     
    Nobody's going to be asking the EU...

    We will work around it. Let me just put it that way. If UA needs EU at all with all the endless acquis that puts on major obligations. Maybe they just need a separate treaty, for trade & investment, similar to what Norway has. The friendship, openness & free travel plus work is already there. They do however need to work on the rule of law. But nationalists are very obedient to rules so the Right Sector spirit might actually help here...

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Good luck with those visas

  397. WTF!!!!!!!!

    Putin Cucked even harder than Trump.

    He didn’t just hand over Russia to the maw.

    The entire free world is now handed over to the maw of worldwide faggotry.

    **edit
    Okay. I though he looked weird like someone was holding a gun to his head.

  398. Latest rumors on Putin. A group of physicians are in his surroundings, including an oncologist. He is using an Altai deer antler extract in his bath. This may or may not be effective, I have seen some supplements from deer antlers (including a pre-work out supplement that claims to give you special energy). The extraction of this substance is very controversial as it is very painful for the deer.
    Shoigu suggested this to him (thus Shoigu’s nickname “reindeer herder”).

    The fact that he has several physicians is not special, we all see several specialists on and off even for preventive care, however, his list appears very long even for someone his age.

    If he does have cancer, it explains why there is such a sense of urgency to destroy Ukraine…

  399. It looks like somebody hacked AK’s twitter account. And seems to be familiar with his Unz articles…

    Since my entire "career" as a pundit has turned out to be negative value added, it is only appropriate that I leave all blogging and social media, and seek work more aligned with my skill set (e.g. flipping burgers).This account and all my websites will be deleted tomorrow.— Anatoly Karlin (🅉,🅉) (@akarlin0) April 1, 2022

    • LOL: Aedib
    • Replies: @nickels
    @Mikel

    Putin gave up:
    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1509976477097504774?cxt=HHwWjMC9ieLmwfQpAAAA

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    , @songbird
    @Mikel

    I imagine some number of state intel agencies would be interested in messing with AK, even if the suspect posts have a childlike quality that suggest a monomaniac.

    Since his profile got higher recently, I'm kind of surprised that he wasn't (at least I assume) using two-factor.

    , @songbird
    @Mikel

    Oh, I see April Fool's. Well, I am embarrassed. Would have got it, but I mistakenly thought of it as being nearly purely American. Though I can see AK's style in it now, I originally thought I perceived something else.

    I'm pretty surprised to find that they celebrate the day in Ukraine, since at least the early 1970s, and it is a holiday, by coincidence in Odessa. Come to think of it, compared to some of the other holidays we have, it might not be bad if it was federally recognized in the US.

    Replies: @Mikel

  400. @Mikel
    It looks like somebody hacked AK's twitter account. And seems to be familiar with his Unz articles...

    Since my entire "career" as a pundit has turned out to be negative value added, it is only appropriate that I leave all blogging and social media, and seek work more aligned with my skill set (e.g. flipping burgers).This account and all my websites will be deleted tomorrow.— Anatoly Karlin (🅉,🅉) (@akarlin0) April 1, 2022
     

    Replies: @nickels, @songbird, @songbird

    Putin gave up:

    • Replies: @A123
    @nickels

    Exceedingly low quality video with dramatic visual anomalies.

    A "deep fake" and not a particularly good one.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Mikel
    @nickels

    You do realize that's fake news, don't you??

    Replies: @A123

    , @Yevardian
    @nickels

    As I was listening to this without bothering to watch the video, and in light of recent developments, I actually thought this video was genuine, with a growing sense of unease and dismay (so much it surprised myself) until I looked at it near the end it, noticing a few audio hiccups, and realised it was a fake.
    But whoever wrote this dialogue did an excellent job, it contains exactly the sort of face-saving phrases Putin or any other leader in his place would say in his place, reminded me of Pashinyan's 'not a defeat' speech in 2020 (building up to the ultimate loss of the war, getting his perfume stolen).

    Replies: @nickels

  401. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    The banner image of the Open Society Foundation.


    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/

    The horse’s mouth…

    https://www.ceu.edu/article/2014-12-03/soros-explains-why-he-exerting-his-utmost-efforts-support-ukraine-during


    He’s an architect of these colour revolutions.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    We were discussing the funding and military support of the current war. So how much has Soros given to Ukraine lately?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    We were were we?

  402. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Yet, you've still not drawn any line between Soros funding the Ukrainian side in this war. just a bunch of Conspiracy theory theories. The US is providing military and military aide to Ukraine, and not Soros, unless you feel that Soros (the Muslim) controls the US?...


    I genuinely feel sorry for Ukraine. However, their leaders are fools serving SJW Islamic Globalism.
     
    You're the only one that sounds foolish to me, for believing in this sort of nonsense. Ukraine is serving its own interests, and is supported by the vast majority of Ukrainians. They want to beat off an attack on their country by the Russians, nothing more and nothing less. Are you so obtuse to be unable to understand this? If America were being attacked by a foreign power and had many of its civilians bombed and killed, wouldn't you also want to beat back any such heartless intrusion? There's no need to dig and try to uncover some sinister Globohomo/SJW/Soros conspiracy theories to buttress Putler's vicious and senseless war.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Willing ignorance is a critical & obvious failure on your part.

    Everyone knows that Soros, the illegitimate Biden regime, and Zelensky are connected. None of this is hidden. However, in the interest of comity (1)

    if Russia is evil, why is Biden continuing to buy billions of dollars of oil from Russia every day? Does this make sense?

    Unless it’s pure “commie theatre.”

    Connect the dots. Biden is a feeble, feckless old puppet with dementia. George Soros pulls Biden’s strings. Soros is on the side of Ukraine. Soros recently said the whole world must support Ukraine. It’s been reported Soros funded Volodymyr Zelenskyy and then installed him as president of Ukraine — one of the most corrupt nations on the earth.

    Keep in mind, evil billionaire Soros is obsessed with hatred for America. He desperately wants to destroy our country. Soros has funded the invasion of our borders. He helps pay for illegal aliens (many of them criminals, MS-13 gang members and murderers) to enter America.

    Its quite impressive & manipulative that IslamoSoros backed NGO’s simultaneously backed rivals Poroshenko and Zelensky. Almost like democracy in Ukraine was a sham….. Much like the installation of Biden after he lost.
    _____

    If that is not enough for you, do your own research. If you want to produce evidence *disproving* such connections I would be open minded. However, The Burden of Proof is Yours.

    Let me once again pre-offer the proverbial cheese. Given your insubstantial track record we all expect you to whine, offering nothing of interest.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2022/03/06/heres-your-red-pill-moment-about-the-russiaukraine-war-n2604165

  403. @Mikel
    It looks like somebody hacked AK's twitter account. And seems to be familiar with his Unz articles...

    Since my entire "career" as a pundit has turned out to be negative value added, it is only appropriate that I leave all blogging and social media, and seek work more aligned with my skill set (e.g. flipping burgers).This account and all my websites will be deleted tomorrow.— Anatoly Karlin (🅉,🅉) (@akarlin0) April 1, 2022
     

    Replies: @nickels, @songbird, @songbird

    I imagine some number of state intel agencies would be interested in messing with AK, even if the suspect posts have a childlike quality that suggest a monomaniac.

    Since his profile got higher recently, I’m kind of surprised that he wasn’t (at least I assume) using two-factor.

    • Agree: Mikel
  404. @nickels
    @Mikel

    Putin gave up:
    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1509976477097504774?cxt=HHwWjMC9ieLmwfQpAAAA

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    Exceedingly low quality video with dramatic visual anomalies.

    A “deep fake” and not a particularly good one.

    PEACE 😇

  405. @nickels
    @Mikel

    Putin gave up:
    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1509976477097504774?cxt=HHwWjMC9ieLmwfQpAAAA

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    You do realize that’s fake news, don’t you??

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel


    You do realize that’s fake news, don’t you??
     
    You might wish to be more precise in your charge.... Everything in U.S. news is fake and getting faker. Lets meet America's newest reporter (1) (2)

    White House press secretary Jen Psaki plans to leave the White House in May to host a show on NBC’s Peacock streaming platform, according to a report.

    Axios reported the news citing “a source close to the matter.”

    Psaki, who is currently on leave after a second case of coronavirus, will leave the White House “around May” according to the report.

    Psaki worked as a political pundit on CNN before joining the White House, and will also participate in that capacity at NBC and MSNBC.

     


    White House press secretary Jen Psaki struggled to answer questions about her ethical standards on Friday after a report surfaced that she was negotiating a massive contract with NBC News
     
    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/01/report-jen-psaki-leaving-white-house-peacock-streaming-show/

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/01/jen-psaki-hit-with-questions-ethics-report-massive-nbc-deal-goes-public/

     
    https://i.imgflip.com/6b1d4p.jpg

  406. S says:
    @A123
    It s worth repeating -- The purpose of the Ukraine fight is WEF Elites maximizing the number of refugees. The fight will be extended for the maximum length of time. Ukraine defense will be helped and anything that can be used for offense will be quashed.

    Zerohedge asked the question "Who is coming across the border?". In multiple cases the results are non-Ukrainians (1)


    More than 50 migrants clashed on Saturday night during a riot at a refugee facility in Munich as chairs and paving stones were used as weapons, prompting a huge police response.

    Bild cited a police source who said the overwhelming majority of the “refugees” were from the Sinti and Roma ethnic groups and that, “Only a fraction are really Ukrainian refugees.”

    “They have brand-new Ukrainian passports, which are also real. Someone in Ukraine is making a fortune right now,” the newspaper quoted the police representative as saying.

    The fight at the asylum center broke out “after authorities attempted to separate some of the individuals who have scabies,”
    ...
    The official Twitter account of the Roscommon GAA Gaelic football team recently deleted a tweet which showed that around half of the “Ukrainian refugees” they welcomed to a game weren’t exactly Slavic-looking.
    ...
    The reality of the situation is clear; Economic migrants from Africa, the Middle East and South Asia are cynically exploiting the Ukrainian refugee wave to abuse the system and get free accommodation and welfare in European countries with poor vetting systems.

    This comes at the expense of genuine Ukrainian refugees who need urgent help.

     

    The next phase of replacement is already being foretold. The groundwork is being laid for Food Shortage -- Mass African Migration.

    Will Zemmour win in France and block the next round African Muslim invaders?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/someone-making-fortune-out-giving-non-ukrainian-migrants-fake-ukrainian-passports


    https://youtu.be/TThwozZiKgs

    Replies: @S

    It s worth repeating — The purpose of the Ukraine fight is WEF Elites maximizing the number of refugees. The fight will be extended for the maximum length of time. Ukraine defense will be helped and anything that can be used for offense will be quashed.

    Along with the promotion of destabalizing wars, by cynically using the mass movements of people (manifesting in the form of wage slaves, ie so called ‘cheap labor’, and refugees) as a battering ram, a perverse form of people power, they hope to break up the already existing somewhat organic peoples, races, and ethnicities of the world and replace them with a wholly artificial ‘new’ man and woman who (in theory) will be citizens of a long sought after world state/empire.

    Along these same lines recently, and before Russia’s invasion, I’d read of a Polish nationalist who had apparently realized this. He was of the belief that the Ukranians imported into Poland by exploitive business interests there during the past decades really needed to return to Ukraine, otherwise they would simply be a tool, a stepping stone, to be used against both the Polish and Ukrainian peoples as part of a never ending spiral of ever more ‘diverse’ peoplehood destroying ‘migration’.

    Now, of course…

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @S


    Along these same lines recently, and before Russia’s invasion, I’d read of a Polish nationalist who had apparently realized this. He was of the belief that the Ukranians imported into Poland by exploitive business interests there during the past decades really needed to return to Ukraine, otherwise they would simply be a tool, a stepping stone, to be used against both the Polish and Ukrainian peoples as part of a never ending spiral of ever more ‘diverse’ peoplehood destroying ‘migration’.
     
    You are correct.

    I hope that you do not mind that I added bold to the key parts of your statement.

    The desire of businesses and exploitive managers is cheap labour. And, the purpose of the EU is to serve that exploitation:

    -- Schengen "Freedom of Travel" allowed higher wage European nations to under cut their workers via internal migration.
    -- The pressure that placed on donor, periphery nations spurred both legal and illegal migration from outiside.

    The purpose of the EU is the destruction of Christian Europe.

    When will Europeans catch on?

    PEACE 😇
  407. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @nickels

    You do realize that's fake news, don't you??

    Replies: @A123

    You do realize that’s fake news, don’t you??

    You might wish to be more precise in your charge…. Everything in U.S. news is fake and getting faker. Lets meet America’s newest reporter (1) (2)

    White House press secretary Jen Psaki plans to leave the White House in May to host a show on NBC’s Peacock streaming platform, according to a report.

    Axios reported the news citing “a source close to the matter.”

    Psaki, who is currently on leave after a second case of coronavirus, will leave the White House “around May” according to the report.

    Psaki worked as a political pundit on CNN before joining the White House, and will also participate in that capacity at NBC and MSNBC.

    White House press secretary Jen Psaki struggled to answer questions about her ethical standards on Friday after a report surfaced that she was negotiating a massive contract with NBC News

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/01/report-jen-psaki-leaving-white-house-peacock-streaming-show/

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/01/jen-psaki-hit-with-questions-ethics-report-massive-nbc-deal-goes-public/

     

    • Agree: Mikhail, Aedib
  408. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    is granted a new lease on life by Russia – the very country whose rejection of globohomo values many us hoped to hold up as a model worth emulating.
     
    Indeed. Fuck Russia and Russians for their stupid war, their war crimes and their moronic propaganda about biolabs or whatever that makes anyone look like a cretin who falls for it, fuck the Poles and Balts who delude themselves they can pursue their resentment-driven chauvinist projects while being loyal American vassals, fuck the Western normies with their endless bouts of media-induced hysteria, and fuck the pro-Russian Western right-wingers who believe in the most blatant Russian propaganda too. I hate all of them.
    The only decent people might be the Nazis from Azov, my respect goes out to them, but unfortunately they'll lose either way.

    Replies: @iffen

    The only decent people might be the Nazis from Azov, my respect goes out to them

    Seriously?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @iffen

    I guess you can applaud them for their honesty and directness? In the modern Oprahesqe jargon, they are great at "living life as their truest selves"!

  409. @songbird
    I admire the Japanese for having territorial disputes with two nuclear powers.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Lol, this was always a primary motivation of theirs to intervene on East Asian continent, to build a buffer zone, their version of Belgium, against a resurgent Yuan Mongol-like Empire. Which previous took the form of Russia, then USSR, and then USSR-PRC alliance. Now its in the form a potential PRC-RusFed alliance.

    It mirrors German history in many ways, for instance former Handelsblatt editor wrote this piece, I’m sure there are near exact sentiments in Japan discussed to turn away from pacificism,

    It took the worst European war of aggression since Hitler’s to turn Germany’s political culture from messianic naivete to common sense. But sometimes it takes centuries to get off a Sonderweg. Putin may yet wreck the continent. But in this one way, he’s changed German history for the better.

    https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/putin-s-invasion-of-ukraine-has-fixed-a-flaw-in-german-history

    Wouldn’t count the Jucheists out yet, either. And they were created with the help of the Chinese.

    Soviets primarily. The CPC and CPK were “brother parties”, but both were under auspices of CPSU.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Soviets primarily.
     
    I shouldn't have said "created", as that word relates too much to the starting point of a chronology.

    What I meant to refer to was the Chinese army crossing the Yalu. How NK wouldn't exist without that.

    The Soviet contribution, while not to be scorned, is primarily the same process as happened in Eastern Europe. I.e., the Soviet army was already traveling through those areas, as a consequence of the war, and thus it was easy for them to set up puppet regimes. Not to mention that the US contributed hugely to their logistics.

    But the Chinese went toe-toe with America, and won concessions, which was unique. A meat-grinder for them. Steamroller tactics with disproportionate casualties might not be replicable today. (Probably one reason the Soviets did not try it themselves, as they had lost too many men already) But I'm not predicting direct conflict, or close parallels. What really counts is assertiveness, and power potentialities.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  410. You do realize that’s fake news, don’t you??

    Yeah, but after 4 years of Trump cucking actually this hard (really) I did fall for it for a good bit.

  411. @Barbarossa
    @sudden death

    This seems to be an exceedingly common fallacy for invading armies. I suppose there is something to the idea that confidence is necessary to make something happen but hubris is blinding. I wonder how much of that swagger was felt inside the Kremlin as opposed to things put out for hoi polloi consumption.

    I think my statement from several open threads ago, still stands: multiply any invasion's expected difficulty x3 to get a real estimate of how it will go.

    Replies: @Mikel

    multiply any invasion’s expected difficulty x3 to get a real estimate of how it will go

    Yes. Incredibly, the Russians don’t seem to have learned anything from the experience of the US military campaigns in the last 20+ years.

    I remember how before the war started the “experts” were saying that all those Javelins would be useless because the Russians would obliterate the Ukrainian forces with stand off weapons before actually invading. Instead, the Russian generals decided pretty much to charge directly against the Javelins on multiple fronts…

    Although to be fair, I don’t think the US or NATO would have fared much better in a war like the one the Russians chose: invading a huge and well armed country with a limited contingent stretched thin on various fronts and with the apparent objective of storming all big cities, one after the other. Has such a strategy ever worked well for anyone in the past?

    And to make matters worse, the political objectives of the operation, as expressed by Putin, looked unattainable even in the best-case scenario. It is quite ironic that it was the Saker, years ago when his rants still made some sense occasionally, who explained one obvious truth: it’s pointless to start a war if it’s not in the pursuit of very clear and achievable political goals.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mikel

    estimated Ukrainian unit strength are now appearing on maps.

    From what is public all available to view yourself, the Ukrainians had to reactively deploy their armoured and mechanised forces in the north to stop and harass Russian deployments up there. I’ve counted 8 armoured and mechanised Brigades that were tied up fighting Russians there. Also the airborne units in the Ukraine order of battle are split between with a brigade in Izium and a brigade in Kiev. Cream of the regular army tied up chasing a wild chevauchee.

    In the south there’s an armoured brigade in Odessa and the rest are strung out between the Dneiper around Zaporhizde and Lysychansk at the Donets in a defensive line. There’s a concentration of them nearer Horlivka.

    I don’t think the Russians will hand back Kherson, Melitopol and Maruipol.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @sudden death
    @Mikel


    I remember how before the war started the “experts” were saying that all those Javelins would be useless because the Russians would obliterate the Ukrainian forces with stand off weapons before actually invading. Instead, the Russian generals decided pretty much to charge directly against the Javelins on multiple fronts…
     
    But wait, there is more to come - it was not some strange coincidence last time when rather big armies were clashing in roughly the same areas the battles are going now, all war participants were trying to start and do all their own biggest ground offensives in summer. Yeah, I mean 1941, 1942,1943 and 1944.

    Right now some country is regrouping and trying to do the biggest and certainly very quick crushing victorious Donbas offensive against the strongest defence lines during coming spring with thawing grounds and soon starting April potential cloudy raining...just after they couldn't finish some offensive against a capital in a place where there were just relatively minor UA forces and no prepared defence lines in advance, lol

    Replies: @Mikel

  412. @iffen
    @German_reader

    The only decent people might be the Nazis from Azov, my respect goes out to them

    Seriously?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I guess you can applaud them for their honesty and directness? In the modern Oprahesqe jargon, they are great at “living life as their truest selves”!

  413. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).
     
    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Until recently, I've only very rarely visited the Karlin threads, so I don't really have a good sense of who you are. But my casual impression is that you're some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish leanings, who's very enthusiastic about videos. You've mostly cluttered up these threads so so many videos including Reddit videos that people complained to me. Therefore, I'd guess you're much more likely to be some sort of video-gamer expert than someone with the serious knowledge of military matters you seem to spout off about.

    I'm absolutely no military expert myself, but I don't pretend to be. Based upon the experience in Syria, I think Russia's S-300s and S-400s have been pretty effective at shooting down American cruise missiles under difficult conditions, and I'd assume Moscow's defenses are filled with them. So I'd be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you're saying?

    Meanwhile, I'd think our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.

    Replies: @Sean, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish

    Lol I was going to thank you for your support for this excellent forum. After our polite discussions, I’m not sure why you want to stereotype me as if you are in negative disputation with me, “young”, “pro-Western”, “Russian”, “Neoconish” (I would prefer if you said “neoliberal” in this last one).

    Of course, I have no professional knowledge relating to military, let alone missile defense (and I don’t think any missile defense commanders post in your forum). I’m just a causal reader, who sometimes reads “defense journalists” as hobby. Still we amateurs can share what we read and some one might find it interesting. I hope I do not mislabel opinion with factual claims. I’m usually trying to be careful to label my posts as opinions and add links where I read something.

    I’d be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you’re saying?

    Air defense against planes is not considered hermetic and missile defense less hermetic. Intercepting missiles would be usually more difficult than intercepting planes, other things equal. There are often texts showing skepticism whether missile defense is a plausible investment.

    Many people seem to be skeptical about interception rates for current systems. Here is a skeptical article about missile defense ( https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/global-missile-defense-race-strong-test-records-and-poor-operational-performance ) This skepticism is not completely strange or controversial position, as these claims are repeated across multiple resources.

    As an amateur, I’m not in position to decide whether these kind of claims are correct. Maybe there are much more knowledgeable people in the forum, who will correct me. But in terms of maximal claims, it’s possible for us to notice that you don’t often read anyone that said these systems are hermetic.

    our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.

    Even if interception rate was high with one missile, it would be less high if you send many missiles, assuming the missile defense system is not hermetic.

    As for whether Brussels has some kind of defense against subsonic (let alone the hypersonic) cruise missiles. Reading “The Military Balance 2021”, it does not list that Belgium has any landbase SAMs currently for intercepting cruise missiles.

    According to “Benelux Security Cooperation: A New European Defense Community?” (2019). It sounds like Brussels does not have much air defense and this is “problematic within the alliance (NATO)”.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    Maybe Ron paid too much attention to Karlin's "unboxing aficionado and footwear fetishist" tropes.
    Personally, I think that you are a reasonable and insightful voice, worth reading.

    For what it's worth, I think that an amateur observer can often have insights at least as accurate as the professional. The professional can easily get locked in rigid thinking predicated by their loyalties and paycheck. They often see patterns that fit a preconceived notion, but are ultimately wildly incorrect.

    One of my earliest and vivid memories of this playing out was my father (influenced by Pat Buchanan etc.) calling out the American invasion of Iraq from the onset as a colossal mistake and stating that they were going to unleash chaos in the country. I was late teens at the time, so didn't have a firmly established idea of foreign affairs myself, but later noted that he (and Pat) had been right on the nose there in contrast to pretty much all the smart professional set of "knowers".

    Replies: @utu

    , @utu
    @Dmitry

    Ron Unz believes in Syrian and Russian claims that about 70% of missiles launched by America, France and the UK in Syria in 2018 were intercepted, disabled or destroyed.

    He also believes in claims about S-300 and S-400 Russian systems that you can find in internet (Martyanov, Scott Ritter and many others). But the truth is that the Russian systems unlike American systems like the Patriot system apparently have not been tried in real combat situations. Even in Syria where Israel can do pretty much what it wants with impunity S-300 0r S-400 have not made any impact.


    Unanswered Israeli Air Strikes Against Syria Raise S-400 Questions (June 09, 2020)
    https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/

    Last year, the Israeli air force hit more than 200 targets in Syria connected to the Iranian effort to upgrade Hezbollah’s rockets. Some of those attacks have been reported to involve Israeli F-35s. The attacks continue apace this year with Syrian air defense forces having launched more than 1,000 surface-air missiles to try and foil the repeated Israeli attacks. They’ve had little effect so far.

    Tal Inbar, an Israeli defense analyst, told Breaking Defense that the S-300 and S-400 have never been proved in action against advanced fighters.
     

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

  414. A123 says: • Website
    @S
    @A123


    It s worth repeating — The purpose of the Ukraine fight is WEF Elites maximizing the number of refugees. The fight will be extended for the maximum length of time. Ukraine defense will be helped and anything that can be used for offense will be quashed.
     
    Along with the promotion of destabalizing wars, by cynically using the mass movements of people (manifesting in the form of wage slaves, ie so called 'cheap labor', and refugees) as a battering ram, a perverse form of people power, they hope to break up the already existing somewhat organic peoples, races, and ethnicities of the world and replace them with a wholly artificial 'new' man and woman who (in theory) will be citizens of a long sought after world state/empire.

    Along these same lines recently, and before Russia's invasion, I'd read of a Polish nationalist who had apparently realized this. He was of the belief that the Ukranians imported into Poland by exploitive business interests there during the past decades really needed to return to Ukraine, otherwise they would simply be a tool, a stepping stone, to be used against both the Polish and Ukrainian peoples as part of a never ending spiral of ever more 'diverse' peoplehood destroying 'migration'.

    Now, of course...

    Replies: @A123

    Along these same lines recently, and before Russia’s invasion, I’d read of a Polish nationalist who had apparently realized this. He was of the belief that the Ukranians imported into Poland by exploitive business interests there during the past decades really needed to return to Ukraine, otherwise they would simply be a tool, a stepping stone, to be used against both the Polish and Ukrainian peoples as part of a never ending spiral of ever more ‘diverse’ peoplehood destroying ‘migration’.

    You are correct.

    I hope that you do not mind that I added bold to the key parts of your statement.

    The desire of businesses and exploitive managers is cheap labour. And, the purpose of the EU is to serve that exploitation:

    — Schengen “Freedom of Travel” allowed higher wage European nations to under cut their workers via internal migration.
    — The pressure that placed on donor, periphery nations spurred both legal and illegal migration from outiside.

    The purpose of the EU is the destruction of Christian Europe.

    When will Europeans catch on?

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: S
  415. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    Lol, this was always a primary motivation of theirs to intervene on East Asian continent, to build a buffer zone, their version of Belgium, against a resurgent Yuan Mongol-like Empire. Which previous took the form of Russia, then USSR, and then USSR-PRC alliance. Now its in the form a potential PRC-RusFed alliance.

    It mirrors German history in many ways, for instance former Handelsblatt editor wrote this piece, I'm sure there are near exact sentiments in Japan discussed to turn away from pacificism,


    It took the worst European war of aggression since Hitler’s to turn Germany’s political culture from messianic naivete to common sense. But sometimes it takes centuries to get off a Sonderweg. Putin may yet wreck the continent. But in this one way, he’s changed German history for the better.

     

    https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/putin-s-invasion-of-ukraine-has-fixed-a-flaw-in-german-history

    Wouldn’t count the Jucheists out yet, either. And they were created with the help of the Chinese.
     
    Soviets primarily. The CPC and CPK were "brother parties", but both were under auspices of CPSU.

    Replies: @songbird

    Soviets primarily.

    I shouldn’t have said “created”, as that word relates too much to the starting point of a chronology.

    What I meant to refer to was the Chinese army crossing the Yalu. How NK wouldn’t exist without that.

    The Soviet contribution, while not to be scorned, is primarily the same process as happened in Eastern Europe. I.e., the Soviet army was already traveling through those areas, as a consequence of the war, and thus it was easy for them to set up puppet regimes. Not to mention that the US contributed hugely to their logistics.

    But the Chinese went toe-toe with America, and won concessions, which was unique. A meat-grinder for them. Steamroller tactics with disproportionate casualties might not be replicable today. (Probably one reason the Soviets did not try it themselves, as they had lost too many men already) But I’m not predicting direct conflict, or close parallels. What really counts is assertiveness, and power potentialities.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    I haven't see Lake Changjin, did they make seem that it was ROK/US aggression? If so that's old propaganda. Kim invaded with Stalin's go-ahead, and Mao out of the loop.

    PLA had a good deal of success with night operations. It's been pointed out that this has been lacking in the Russian Army (maybe someone can illuminate).

    At that time the North/South economic disparity was reverse, with DPRK inheriting much of Japanese guided/built industrial foundation.

    Historically Korean Peninsula is similar to China in most of the time being unified, but a greater proportion of the time divided (I think 45 versus 30 percent).

    It should be emphasized that DPRK is anything but a PRC vassal, the relationship is more like PRC-USSR during Cold War when it was clearly not an inseparable bloc. DPRK's current stage of development is rather like 80's under Deng, with a great deal of potential.

    Replies: @songbird

  416. @utu
    @German_reader

    "In any case, there’s not much point to having a “discussion” with you." - So why do you keep starting discussions with me. My comment #200 was to Triteleia Laxa to which you responded calling me "authoritarian normie".

    Apparently it very much does not agree with you that I emphasize Russian subversion. You wrote to Mr. Hack:


    My issue is rather that [utu] seems to believe there is no reason at all for discontent with the state and trajectory of Western societies, that such sentiments are all due just to Russian subversion (instead of legitimate grievances that could possibly have been exploited by Russia), and that everything would basically be fine if it weren’t for Russia’s evil influence.
     
    and I remember you were totally against my supposition that there were Kremlin fingers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada to paralyze Ottawa government prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

    Obviously you misconstrue, purposefully I think, because I do recognize legitimate reasons for discontent on the Right though believing that vaccines have nano-self-assembling chips is not one of them. Russian propaganda does not care which reasons are legitimate and which are not. It will stoke any reasons as long they get traction and as long as they undermine trust in Wester culture, institutions, governments, policies. Basically anything goes as long as it is subversive.

    And where do you see that I say or believe that everything would be find if it was not for Russia? But now Russia is the problem number one. There are no greater problems than Russia. After the dragon is slew and Russian cries uncle other problems can be dealt with like for example the preponderance of twats in Germany.

    I think that in some comments I have expressed som hope that because of this war that Russia started some problems will get new solutions. I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

    Anyway, not seeing the role of the scope of Russian subversion demonstrates your naivety that you are like a sleepwalker. This deserve a special normie label.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Brás Cubas, @Wokechoke

    Stop doing the straw manning with that nanochips crap. It’s freshfaggotry.

    Ukraine emerges in 1990 as the personal Piggy bank of assholes like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, John McCain David Cameron and Joe Biden and you are okay with the implications of that?

    • Replies: @utu
    @Wokechoke

    "Stop doing the straw manning with that nanochips crap." - Tell it to Ron Unz. He links to articles about it. See Newslinks:



    https://www.unz.com/news/

    lewrockwell.com / RoatanBill • Science/Technology3d
    Self-Assembling Circuits in the Pfizer Jab? Watch the Video.
     
    Have you made an objection to Ron Unz?

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

  417. @German_reader
    @utu


    and I remember you were totally against my supposition that there were Kremlin fingers in the Freedom Convoy in Canada to paralyze Ottawa government prior to the invasion of Ukraine.
     
    Your sources were all bs, with ridiculous "experts" claiming it's Russian subversion when right-wingers on the net troll people into voting per text message (anybody who's stupid enough to fall for that shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway). Sure, it's certainly likely Russia is trying to exploit discontent in Western societies. People definitely shouldn't rely on Russia today (when one could still read it) for information, clearly there's an agenda there. But your comments basically amount to giving a free pass to the likes of Justin Trudeau, that everything they're doing is basically fine, and if you don't agree you're a "Russian asset" who's in favour of Putin's troops killing Ukrainian civilians through indiscriminate shelling.
    Regarding Corona, I'm triple-vaccinated myself, but there has definitely been massive overreach and hysteria by the liberal establishment (one acquaintance, on her way to becoming a professor, literally told me "The unvaccinated need to be punished")...that's on them, not on Russia.

    But now Russia is the problem number one. There are no greater problems than Russia. After the dragon is slew and Russian cries uncle other problems can be dealt with like for example the preponderance of twats in Germany.
     
    "Dragon is slain"? What's that even supposed to mean? Do you think Russia will be defeated like Germany in 1945, occupied and re-constructed? Dream on. It's much more likely that this conflict will go on for decades, with many disastrous side effects.
    Doesn't mean that one should accomodate Putin and his crazy imperialist visions at any price, Ukraine needs to fight on until at least the most outrageous demands (like annexation of territory beyond the prewar borders) are dropped, but your optimism is bizarre.

    I think I wrote that war on climate change will be put on the back burner. That perhaps Germany will resurrect its nuclear energy to which, iirc, you in your usual twatty way objected. That perhaps there will be stronger resolve against non-European immigration. That pathological feminism will be subdued during war.

     

    Because these things are only happening in your fucking imagination and have no basis in reality. Germany's idiotic government is doubling down on Energiewende, not considering a return to nuclear power, so there'll be a massive energy crisis soon. German industry will become uncompetitive (certainly a lot of other Europeans will at first feel schadenfreude about this, but then there'll be long faces, when there's no more German money). No idea either how countries like Hungary or Bulgaria are supposed to make do without Russian gas. As for immigration, the German government is refusing all border controls, they want they refugee movement from Ukraine to be exploited by non-Europeans.
    If you think I'm the worst example of German twattery, you really have no idea.
    This war is all around bad news.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    It feels like it is becoming a more common rhetorical fashion in Europe, trying to exploit Germany’s historical conscience lol. “Germany have you learned nothing from your past”.

    But in reality, Germany has been a good non-military ally for Ukraine in the recent years. (Since February 24 2022, Germany has also become one of the main military donors of equipment for Ukraine).

    In 2018-2019 Germany has been the largest supporter to Ukraine, in financial terms if you would include only civilian aid.
    (https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/aussenpolitik/laenderinformationen/ukraine-node/ukraine-support/2510752)

    on Energiewende, not considering a return to nuclear power, so there’ll be a massive energy crisis soon. German industry will become uncompetitive

    It sounds funny, but wind energy is already almost becoming the cheapest in the world this decade. ( https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-levelized-cost-of-storage-and-levelized-cost-of-hydrogen )

    Problem is that, it is not steady to the same extent can be gas or nuclear energy. Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries), which will add a bit of something to the cost.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries)
     
    That problem hasn't been solved, and may well not be solvable...so it's lights out soon!
    Anyway, as I said, in some sense I'm looking forward to it, it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    Replies: @utu, @for-the-record, @A123

    , @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    I noticed that the touted numbers are on subsidized prices, which seem quite substantially so for wind. Another factor I'm not sure is accounted for is upkeep. There are a lot of wind farms around my general area put up around 10 years or so ago, and the problems have been notable.

    Fiberglass blades have lasted shorter than expected and have needed replacement. I know the head of the trucking company who is making big bucks hauling them half a continent away to be buried in a literal windmill blade graveyard. Concrete foundations have needed repair and reinforcement. Then there is the issue of other breakdowns leading to individual towers being taken offline for months or years until there are enough bad ones to justify bringing the mother of all cranes out necessary to take a power head off or change blades.

    All in all it hasn't impressed me much, and I'm running my home off grid, so I'm not exactly a gas guzzling oil lover.

    Iberdrola (the Spanish energy conglomerate) alone has collected 10 billion in US taxpayer subsidies on wind though, so there is that.

    Speaking of which, they are putting in a massive subsidized 1000 acre solar farm near me, naturally installed by a massive Canadian energy company. Why are they putting up such things in the part of the country that gets fewer days of sun than anywhere else? I guess it fits the current "green" push.
    Again, I'm not opposed to such projects if and where they make sense but there is a lot of shambolic action going on so a politician can get a good photo-op.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  418. @LatW
    @sudden death


    true false flag
     
    Btw, Oleh Zhdanov in the above interview speculates that some munitions could've self exploded there because they are old and not well maintained. Not sure if it's valid. Putin kept saying the UA air force has been disabled, so how come they hit Belgorod now? If they did do it, it's understandable, because it's a total war now. In a total war, neither side respects the other's border. Scary...

    Btw, did you hear that the Russians who were in Chernobyl, tried to dig in there and by doing so uncovered the really contaminated soil... got all sick and were taken to Belarus with radiation sickness, with permanent damage to their health... so cruel to the troops.

    Did you hear the insane stories about the "biolab birds" that are sent into Russia from the Ukrainian territory? The Bandera Birds, lol.

    And did you see Solovyov's whining about his lost properties in Italy....? From a couple of weeks ago... where he goes "Why do I need all this....".

    Insane...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @JL, @sudden death

    Solovyov is not necessarily so wealthy. Maybe he has tens of millions of dollars. But perhaps in the sense villas in Italy (which I can’t remember exactly what was their price estimation, but I might recall they could be tens of millions of dollars) could be a significant part of his retirement plans now lost.

    His job is likely stressful as well, as he always has improvise to generate emotions from his audience to support what he thinks can help authorities and this is changing.

    For example, before the election in 2019 in Ukraine, he was supporting Zelensky against Poroshenko, as all federal media. Zelensky was more “reasonable”, Zelensky likes Russia and the nationalists hate him, etc. Then after election Solovyov had immediately to reverse against Zelensky who was Poroshenko 2, radical nationalist.

    Speed of these reversals sometimes really fast. Who knows what it is like to do this kind of job, but if this was your profession, I believe you would need to sometimes forget what you were saying a week before.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    His job is likely stressful as well
     
    Aw, so stressful... poor thing. What, is he sitting in a basement with sirens going off all the time? Is his child dying in front of his eyes?

    I wasn't talking about how affluent he is, I couldn't care less about that. But his words mattered. It's not just any job. He is complicit in what happened.

    What I was referring to was this.... this c*nt is whining about his lost house... when so many Ukrainian children died or were pushed out of their homes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFSdFdZUF60

    Aw, "what do I have to do with this?" No, absolutely nothing.

    Ну чё, доигрались?

    No, I do agree... it didn't have to turn out this way.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Mikhail
    @Dmitry


    For example, before the election in 2019 in Ukraine, he was supporting Zelensky against Poroshenko, as all federal media. Zelensky was more “reasonable”, Zelensky likes Russia and the nationalists hate him, etc. Then after election Solovyov had immediately to reverse against Zelensky who was Poroshenko 2, radical nationalist.
     
    Zelensky campaigned on a platform favoring better relations with Russia and ending the Donbass war. After taking office, he flip flopped out of the obvious disproportionate influence of the nationalists (examples include cancelling cultural arrangements with Russian venues like the Hermitage and awarding neo-Nazis).

    With that flip flop came an understandable Russian response.
  419. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    It feels like it is becoming a more common rhetorical fashion in Europe, trying to exploit Germany's historical conscience lol. "Germany have you learned nothing from your past".

    https://twitter.com/dkaleniuk/status/1509541255071547404

    But in reality, Germany has been a good non-military ally for Ukraine in the recent years. (Since February 24 2022, Germany has also become one of the main military donors of equipment for Ukraine).

    In 2018-2019 Germany has been the largest supporter to Ukraine, in financial terms if you would include only civilian aid.
    https://i.imgur.com/rf2V34Y.jpg
    (https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/aussenpolitik/laenderinformationen/ukraine-node/ukraine-support/2510752)


    on Energiewende, not considering a return to nuclear power, so there’ll be a massive energy crisis soon. German industry will become uncompetitive
     
    It sounds funny, but wind energy is already almost becoming the cheapest in the world this decade. ( https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-levelized-cost-of-storage-and-levelized-cost-of-hydrogen )

    Problem is that, it is not steady to the same extent can be gas or nuclear energy. Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries), which will add a bit of something to the cost.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Barbarossa

    Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries)

    That problem hasn’t been solved, and may well not be solvable…so it’s lights out soon!
    Anyway, as I said, in some sense I’m looking forward to it, it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    • Replies: @utu
    @German_reader

    " it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it." - Have you considered taking anti-depressants? If Hitler was put on fluoxetine or sertraline after the assassination attempt in 1944 Germany would not have to suffer the destruction it did by May 1945. Try psilocybin or ketamine.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    I’m looking forward to it ... when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    There is a historical resonance to this statement, but for the moment it eludes me.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.
     
    There are enough European Christians to create another outcome. The EU ends. Christian Europe builds a metaphorical, and in some cases physical, wall around Germany & Sweden to end the threat they pose to the rest of Europe.

    Impediments to European success include the disastrous EUR currency, austerity economics, and predatory German firms (banking and goods exporters). A Europe without Germany is primed to be economically and culturally successful.
    ____

    Sad for ordinary Germans, rather than funny. However, actions have consequences. 80%+ of German citizens vote for parties bent on destroying the German people. Its a multi party system. AfD is available now. If their history is too tainted, a new party could form. Yet, advancement towards inevitable suicide continues.

    I genuinely do not understand. Is there a previously undiscovered HBD factor? In multiple rounds of emigration, has the genetic capability to resist central authority been lost?

    PEACE 😇
  420. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    multiply any invasion’s expected difficulty x3 to get a real estimate of how it will go
     
    Yes. Incredibly, the Russians don't seem to have learned anything from the experience of the US military campaigns in the last 20+ years.

    I remember how before the war started the "experts" were saying that all those Javelins would be useless because the Russians would obliterate the Ukrainian forces with stand off weapons before actually invading. Instead, the Russian generals decided pretty much to charge directly against the Javelins on multiple fronts...

    Although to be fair, I don't think the US or NATO would have fared much better in a war like the one the Russians chose: invading a huge and well armed country with a limited contingent stretched thin on various fronts and with the apparent objective of storming all big cities, one after the other. Has such a strategy ever worked well for anyone in the past?

    And to make matters worse, the political objectives of the operation, as expressed by Putin, looked unattainable even in the best-case scenario. It is quite ironic that it was the Saker, years ago when his rants still made some sense occasionally, who explained one obvious truth: it's pointless to start a war if it's not in the pursuit of very clear and achievable political goals.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

    estimated Ukrainian unit strength are now appearing on maps.

    From what is public all available to view yourself, the Ukrainians had to reactively deploy their armoured and mechanised forces in the north to stop and harass Russian deployments up there. I’ve counted 8 armoured and mechanised Brigades that were tied up fighting Russians there. Also the airborne units in the Ukraine order of battle are split between with a brigade in Izium and a brigade in Kiev. Cream of the regular army tied up chasing a wild chevauchee.

    In the south there’s an armoured brigade in Odessa and the rest are strung out between the Dneiper around Zaporhizde and Lysychansk at the Donets in a defensive line. There’s a concentration of them nearer Horlivka.

    I don’t think the Russians will hand back Kherson, Melitopol and Maruipol.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Wokechoke

    I'm not sure that you are saying this but if the objective from the beginning was only conquering the Donbass (or Novorossiya), would the Russian Armed Forces (described as technologically superior to any other by several authors on this website) had been unable to do that without engaging in diversionary tactics in northern Ukraine that cost them huge losses in equipment and manpower?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  421. @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz


    some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish
     
    Lol I was going to thank you for your support for this excellent forum. After our polite discussions, I'm not sure why you want to stereotype me as if you are in negative disputation with me, "young", "pro-Western", "Russian", "Neoconish" (I would prefer if you said "neoliberal" in this last one).

    Of course, I have no professional knowledge relating to military, let alone missile defense (and I don't think any missile defense commanders post in your forum). I'm just a causal reader, who sometimes reads "defense journalists" as hobby. Still we amateurs can share what we read and some one might find it interesting. I hope I do not mislabel opinion with factual claims. I'm usually trying to be careful to label my posts as opinions and add links where I read something.


    I’d be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you’re saying?

     

    Air defense against planes is not considered hermetic and missile defense less hermetic. Intercepting missiles would be usually more difficult than intercepting planes, other things equal. There are often texts showing skepticism whether missile defense is a plausible investment.

    Many people seem to be skeptical about interception rates for current systems. Here is a skeptical article about missile defense ( https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/global-missile-defense-race-strong-test-records-and-poor-operational-performance ) This skepticism is not completely strange or controversial position, as these claims are repeated across multiple resources.

    As an amateur, I'm not in position to decide whether these kind of claims are correct. Maybe there are much more knowledgeable people in the forum, who will correct me. But in terms of maximal claims, it's possible for us to notice that you don't often read anyone that said these systems are hermetic.


    our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.
     
    Even if interception rate was high with one missile, it would be less high if you send many missiles, assuming the missile defense system is not hermetic.

    As for whether Brussels has some kind of defense against subsonic (let alone the hypersonic) cruise missiles. Reading "The Military Balance 2021", it does not list that Belgium has any landbase SAMs currently for intercepting cruise missiles.

    According to "Benelux Security Cooperation: A New European Defense Community?" (2019). It sounds like Brussels does not have much air defense and this is "problematic within the alliance (NATO)".

    https://i.imgur.com/VUCtAwE.jpg

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @utu

    Maybe Ron paid too much attention to Karlin’s “unboxing aficionado and footwear fetishist” tropes.
    Personally, I think that you are a reasonable and insightful voice, worth reading.

    For what it’s worth, I think that an amateur observer can often have insights at least as accurate as the professional. The professional can easily get locked in rigid thinking predicated by their loyalties and paycheck. They often see patterns that fit a preconceived notion, but are ultimately wildly incorrect.

    One of my earliest and vivid memories of this playing out was my father (influenced by Pat Buchanan etc.) calling out the American invasion of Iraq from the onset as a colossal mistake and stating that they were going to unleash chaos in the country. I was late teens at the time, so didn’t have a firmly established idea of foreign affairs myself, but later noted that he (and Pat) had been right on the nose there in contrast to pretty much all the smart professional set of “knowers”.

    • Agree: German_reader, Yahya, Coconuts
    • Thanks: Dmitry
    • Replies: @utu
    @Barbarossa

    "my father [...] calling out the American invasion of Iraq from the onset as a colossal mistake and stating that they were going to unleash chaos in the country" - My exact feelings and they were very strong. At that time I found some solace in the American Conservative that published Pat Buchanan and others (Sniegoski iirc who was the first one to zoom in onto the Neo-cons). At that time I had no idea who was behind the publication except for the names of Buchanan and Taki but it all sounded right and reasonable. My friends who were also anti-war were turned off by "Conservative" in the title and refused to a accept a copy of the AC when I was trying to hand it to them.

    I was anti-war then against the invasion of Iraq for the same reasons and sentiments I am anti-war now and against the invasion of Ukraine. In this respect I think I am consistent as opposed to those who support Putin and Russia now and when criticized fall back on the old school of Soviet whataboutism and point out: and what about Iraq? What about Iraq? War on Iraq was wrong and it does not make the war on Ukraine right!

    Since then I have learned about Ron Unz but I haven't questioned his motives. But now I wonder what has become of him and whether whatever makes him anti-American was already there in 2003.

    Still I am very grateful for the AM in 2003 and few years after it.

    BTW, I remember that Sailer was writing film reviews there and while knowing nothing about him and nothing about the IQism nd HBDism he is possessed by he sounded odd and off as somewhat an incomplete persons to me though I could not put a finger on it. But now I know more.

    Replies: @German_reader

  422. @Sean
    @Dmitry


    Currently in the Russian air force there are no planes with targeting pods and you can see the effect now in Ukraine with no attacks with e.g. guided weapons against moving targets.
     
    Not sure about this. I think they have those kind of planes but not the smart bombs for the planes to use from a safe distance which has led to them losing some of their best planes. I have read the sanctions since 2014 have put a stop to Russian manufacture of smart bombs, because they use foreign components that Russia can only acquire in small quantities at huge cost.

    Air defense is not hermetic. Russia could surely destroy NATO HQ building in Brussels with even old subsonic cruise missiles and NATO could destroy a palace building in the Kremlin with subsonic Tomahawk missiles as response (as the air defense is not at all hermetic).
     
    The response to hitting Nato HQ would hardly be hitting any building in the Kremlin, because the response to hitting a building on the Kremlin with a conventional cruise missile would be to attack something similarly in Washington DC. Also,. the Russians may not be able to shoot down a cruise missile but they probably would know it was coming, but not not know it was a not a nuclear cruise missile heading for Moscow.

    Thee miniature cruise missiles called switchblade drones and other advanced technology US weapons are going to be more relevant in the coming months. They may in the quantities the US is cabale of supplying them, take an unsustainable toll on the Russian army even though it is now going to have the advantages of defence around kiev and shorter supply lines in the east, The question is will America really try to give Ukraine everything it asks for? If so Russia will be heading for real military defeat, and at that point they might up the anti with a strike on some Nato facility to signal that they will escalate before accepting a loss. I do not think America will let it come to that, because Putin failing and saving face is the preferred US outcome. An actual clear defeat of Putin's forces by Ukraine is not something America really ought to want, because it would be too destablising.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    have those kind of planes

    Well, looking in the media, there were reports last year, that 8 planes would have a targeting pod installed by 2022. It is very new and perhaps not clear if these planes’ systems are actually operational now. (Russian resource only https://web.archive.org/web/20210622161101/https://tass.ru/ural-news/11712627)

    not know it was a not a nuclear cruise missile heading for Moscow

    Sure, unless this information was somehow declared, it could be nuclear warhead and perhaps might be responded with nuclear weapons, as the same missiles can have conventional or nuclear warheads. But I was discussing to Ron’s hypothetical scenario above.

    miniature cruise missiles called switchblade drones

    From what I read, there are only 100 of the smaller Switchblade drone (Switchblade 300).

    USA is still not agreeing to transfer things like anti-ship missiles to Ukraine.

    However, in the British media, you can read that Boris Johnson (Prime Minister of the UK) wants to send wider category of weapons to Ukraine including vehicles. He was saying this week “Would armour, would APCs (armoured personnel carriers) be useful for them (or) armoured Land Rovers? We are certainly looking at that.”” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-military-ukraine-mariupol-b2047341.html

  423. @Wokechoke
    @Mikel

    estimated Ukrainian unit strength are now appearing on maps.

    From what is public all available to view yourself, the Ukrainians had to reactively deploy their armoured and mechanised forces in the north to stop and harass Russian deployments up there. I’ve counted 8 armoured and mechanised Brigades that were tied up fighting Russians there. Also the airborne units in the Ukraine order of battle are split between with a brigade in Izium and a brigade in Kiev. Cream of the regular army tied up chasing a wild chevauchee.

    In the south there’s an armoured brigade in Odessa and the rest are strung out between the Dneiper around Zaporhizde and Lysychansk at the Donets in a defensive line. There’s a concentration of them nearer Horlivka.

    I don’t think the Russians will hand back Kherson, Melitopol and Maruipol.

    Replies: @Mikel

    I’m not sure that you are saying this but if the objective from the beginning was only conquering the Donbass (or Novorossiya), would the Russian Armed Forces (described as technologically superior to any other by several authors on this website) had been unable to do that without engaging in diversionary tactics in northern Ukraine that cost them huge losses in equipment and manpower?

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mikel

    You can push only so many troops into an area. I’m not sure that the Russians could have stuffed 30,000 more troops into Crimea for example.


    I did expect the Russians to drive around the north east of Ukraine shooting as much stuff as they could either way. Like a Razia or a Chevauchee.

    Whatever land they chose to bite and hold, or were able to hold is clearly from the Crimean based forces who had to be driven up one road onto the mainland.

  424. utu says:
    @Wokechoke
    @utu

    Stop doing the straw manning with that nanochips crap. It’s freshfaggotry.

    Ukraine emerges in 1990 as the personal Piggy bank of assholes like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, John McCain David Cameron and Joe Biden and you are okay with the implications of that?

    Replies: @utu

    “Stop doing the straw manning with that nanochips crap.” – Tell it to Ron Unz. He links to articles about it. See Newslinks:

    https://www.unz.com/news/

    lewrockwell.com / RoatanBill • Science/Technology3d
    Self-Assembling Circuits in the Pfizer Jab? Watch the Video.

    Have you made an objection to Ron Unz?

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @utu

    That link was posted by RoatanBill, not by Ron Unz.

  425. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    It feels like it is becoming a more common rhetorical fashion in Europe, trying to exploit Germany's historical conscience lol. "Germany have you learned nothing from your past".

    https://twitter.com/dkaleniuk/status/1509541255071547404

    But in reality, Germany has been a good non-military ally for Ukraine in the recent years. (Since February 24 2022, Germany has also become one of the main military donors of equipment for Ukraine).

    In 2018-2019 Germany has been the largest supporter to Ukraine, in financial terms if you would include only civilian aid.
    https://i.imgur.com/rf2V34Y.jpg
    (https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/aussenpolitik/laenderinformationen/ukraine-node/ukraine-support/2510752)


    on Energiewende, not considering a return to nuclear power, so there’ll be a massive energy crisis soon. German industry will become uncompetitive
     
    It sounds funny, but wind energy is already almost becoming the cheapest in the world this decade. ( https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-levelized-cost-of-storage-and-levelized-cost-of-hydrogen )

    Problem is that, it is not steady to the same extent can be gas or nuclear energy. Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries), which will add a bit of something to the cost.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Barbarossa

    I noticed that the touted numbers are on subsidized prices, which seem quite substantially so for wind. Another factor I’m not sure is accounted for is upkeep. There are a lot of wind farms around my general area put up around 10 years or so ago, and the problems have been notable.

    Fiberglass blades have lasted shorter than expected and have needed replacement. I know the head of the trucking company who is making big bucks hauling them half a continent away to be buried in a literal windmill blade graveyard. Concrete foundations have needed repair and reinforcement. Then there is the issue of other breakdowns leading to individual towers being taken offline for months or years until there are enough bad ones to justify bringing the mother of all cranes out necessary to take a power head off or change blades.

    All in all it hasn’t impressed me much, and I’m running my home off grid, so I’m not exactly a gas guzzling oil lover.

    Iberdrola (the Spanish energy conglomerate) alone has collected 10 billion in US taxpayer subsidies on wind though, so there is that.

    Speaking of which, they are putting in a massive subsidized 1000 acre solar farm near me, naturally installed by a massive Canadian energy company. Why are they putting up such things in the part of the country that gets fewer days of sun than anywhere else? I guess it fits the current “green” push.
    Again, I’m not opposed to such projects if and where they make sense but there is a lot of shambolic action going on so a politician can get a good photo-op.

    • Thanks: RSDB
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    Lazards' unsubsidized, levelized cost of energy should be trying to account for subsidies and degradation of equipment, etc.

    Surely it's not perfect, but the wind energy is at least cheap now, when wind is going. Problem is it doesn't have the same steady production, without including storage, as there are days without wind. And storage will increase cost by a lot, if you need to install farms of batteries.


    running my home off grid, so I’m not exactly a gas guzzling oil lover.
     
    How did you generate energy for running your home offgrid?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  426. @Mikel
    @Wokechoke

    I'm not sure that you are saying this but if the objective from the beginning was only conquering the Donbass (or Novorossiya), would the Russian Armed Forces (described as technologically superior to any other by several authors on this website) had been unable to do that without engaging in diversionary tactics in northern Ukraine that cost them huge losses in equipment and manpower?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    You can push only so many troops into an area. I’m not sure that the Russians could have stuffed 30,000 more troops into Crimea for example.

    I did expect the Russians to drive around the north east of Ukraine shooting as much stuff as they could either way. Like a Razia or a Chevauchee.

    Whatever land they chose to bite and hold, or were able to hold is clearly from the Crimean based forces who had to be driven up one road onto the mainland.

  427. utu says:
    @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz


    some young Russian of pro-Western or even Neoconish
     
    Lol I was going to thank you for your support for this excellent forum. After our polite discussions, I'm not sure why you want to stereotype me as if you are in negative disputation with me, "young", "pro-Western", "Russian", "Neoconish" (I would prefer if you said "neoliberal" in this last one).

    Of course, I have no professional knowledge relating to military, let alone missile defense (and I don't think any missile defense commanders post in your forum). I'm just a causal reader, who sometimes reads "defense journalists" as hobby. Still we amateurs can share what we read and some one might find it interesting. I hope I do not mislabel opinion with factual claims. I'm usually trying to be careful to label my posts as opinions and add links where I read something.


    I’d be pretty skeptical of your claim that America could currently destroy a Kremlin building with a salvo of our existing cruise missiles. Can you find any knowledgeable person who believes what you’re saying?

     

    Air defense against planes is not considered hermetic and missile defense less hermetic. Intercepting missiles would be usually more difficult than intercepting planes, other things equal. There are often texts showing skepticism whether missile defense is a plausible investment.

    Many people seem to be skeptical about interception rates for current systems. Here is a skeptical article about missile defense ( https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/global-missile-defense-race-strong-test-records-and-poor-operational-performance ) This skepticism is not completely strange or controversial position, as these claims are repeated across multiple resources.

    As an amateur, I'm not in position to decide whether these kind of claims are correct. Maybe there are much more knowledgeable people in the forum, who will correct me. But in terms of maximal claims, it's possible for us to notice that you don't often read anyone that said these systems are hermetic.


    our anti-missile systems would have a reasonable chance of protecting NATO HQ against Russian subsonic cruise missiles but almost no chance against hypersonic ones.
     
    Even if interception rate was high with one missile, it would be less high if you send many missiles, assuming the missile defense system is not hermetic.

    As for whether Brussels has some kind of defense against subsonic (let alone the hypersonic) cruise missiles. Reading "The Military Balance 2021", it does not list that Belgium has any landbase SAMs currently for intercepting cruise missiles.

    According to "Benelux Security Cooperation: A New European Defense Community?" (2019). It sounds like Brussels does not have much air defense and this is "problematic within the alliance (NATO)".

    https://i.imgur.com/VUCtAwE.jpg

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @utu

    Ron Unz believes in Syrian and Russian claims that about 70% of missiles launched by America, France and the UK in Syria in 2018 were intercepted, disabled or destroyed.

    He also believes in claims about S-300 and S-400 Russian systems that you can find in internet (Martyanov, Scott Ritter and many others). But the truth is that the Russian systems unlike American systems like the Patriot system apparently have not been tried in real combat situations. Even in Syria where Israel can do pretty much what it wants with impunity S-300 0r S-400 have not made any impact.

    Unanswered Israeli Air Strikes Against Syria Raise S-400 Questions (June 09, 2020)
    https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/

    Last year, the Israeli air force hit more than 200 targets in Syria connected to the Iranian effort to upgrade Hezbollah’s rockets. Some of those attacks have been reported to involve Israeli F-35s. The attacks continue apace this year with Syrian air defense forces having launched more than 1,000 surface-air missiles to try and foil the repeated Israeli attacks. They’ve had little effect so far.

    Tal Inbar, an Israeli defense analyst, told Breaking Defense that the S-300 and S-400 have never been proved in action against advanced fighters.

    • Replies: @A123
    @utu


    Ron Unz believes in Syrian and Russian claims that about 70% of missiles launched by America, France and the UK in Syria in 2018 were intercepted, disabled or destroyed.
     
    Russia and Syria launched ~400 interceptors to hit 70% of 100 inbound weapons. That is a less than 20% success rate. Even if one discards half the attempted counter battery as obsolete (S-200 and earlier), then ~200:70 is still only a 35% success rate.

    Mr. Unz number is technically accurate, but only 70% is a "near failure" level of effectiveness. A competent system would have yielded a 90%+ intercept rate.

    Even in Syria where Israel can do pretty much what it wants with impunity S-300 0r S-400 have not made any impact.
     
    While upgraded, the S-300 backbone is 1970's technology. The Syrians have a 1/2 Brigade of S-300. Israeli F-16I have them 100% spoofed to uselessness or are otherwise ignoring their presence. The Syrians managed to land an even older S-200 on the island of Cyprus.

    https://southfront.org/in-photos-syrian-s-200-missile-crashed-in-cyprus/

    S-400 is harder to judge. The Syrian military does not have the system, and there is no evidence that Russia has tried to use them against Israel F-16I. The Pentagon has an adamant stance against co-locating S-400 and F-35 (e.g. in Turkey). That could imply that the base S-400 cannot currently cope with F-35, however with sufficient testing it could be "dialed in". Of course, it could be MIC firms sticking up for each other to keep out foreign competition. To me, the Pentagon's zeal implies the former, but take your pick.

    S-400 did intercept some incoming U.S. Tomahawk cruise missiles in Syria, however there were far too few interceptors to save the target. Hard numbers are difficult to come by, but the cost of a single S-400 interceptor is reportedly comparable to the cost of a single conventional warhead Tomahawk @ ~$1MM each. Given the 10+:1 disparity in funding between the U.S. and Russian military, even vaguely comparable cost is a negative for Russia. The U.S. can afford to over saturate any target and win by pure volume of munitions.

    PEACE 😇
    , @LondonBob
    @utu

    Larry C Johnson and Pat Lang said most of the cruise missiles launched at Syria were intercepted, the damage inflicted was minimal, so makes sense.

  428. utu says:
    @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries)
     
    That problem hasn't been solved, and may well not be solvable...so it's lights out soon!
    Anyway, as I said, in some sense I'm looking forward to it, it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    Replies: @utu, @for-the-record, @A123

    ” it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.” – Have you considered taking anti-depressants? If Hitler was put on fluoxetine or sertraline after the assassination attempt in 1944 Germany would not have to suffer the destruction it did by May 1945. Try psilocybin or ketamine.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @utu


    Have you considered taking anti-depressants?
     
    Why should I, my bad mood is only partially due to my personality defects, much of it is rooted in objective conditions.
    May sound selfish while people are dying in Ukraine, but the economic prospects look pretty bleak. Inflation is also strongly on the rise (only in part due to the war, much of it is a consequence of deeply flawed Eurozone policies). I was in the supermarket yesterday and buying some cheap Gouda cheese...I'm sure it cost just 1,99 Euros a box recently and had stayed at that price for years. Now it's 2,59 Euros. May be nothing compared to the deprivation a lot of people in 3rd world countries will soon be facing because of the Ukraine war, but it still deeply irritated me.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya

  429. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    We were discussing the funding and military support of the current war. So how much has Soros given to Ukraine lately?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    We were were we?

  430. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @German_reader

    " it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it." - Have you considered taking anti-depressants? If Hitler was put on fluoxetine or sertraline after the assassination attempt in 1944 Germany would not have to suffer the destruction it did by May 1945. Try psilocybin or ketamine.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Have you considered taking anti-depressants?

    Why should I, my bad mood is only partially due to my personality defects, much of it is rooted in objective conditions.
    May sound selfish while people are dying in Ukraine, but the economic prospects look pretty bleak. Inflation is also strongly on the rise (only in part due to the war, much of it is a consequence of deeply flawed Eurozone policies). I was in the supermarket yesterday and buying some cheap Gouda cheese…I’m sure it cost just 1,99 Euros a box recently and had stayed at that price for years. Now it’s 2,59 Euros. May be nothing compared to the deprivation a lot of people in 3rd world countries will soon be facing because of the Ukraine war, but it still deeply irritated me.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader

    The inflation started already before the war due to labor shortages (even in EE!). It was going to happen anyway. Ofc, this makes it all much worse... and was completely unnecessary.. country side doesn't sound like a bad option anymore. Maybe not just yet, but possibly soon.

    Replies: @JL

    , @Yahya
    @German_reader


    I was in the supermarket yesterday and buying some cheap Gouda cheese…I’m sure it cost just 1,99 Euros a box recently and had stayed at that price for years. Now it’s 2,59 Euros.
     
    Gouda cheese for 2.59 euros? Good heavens! How can anyone possibly survive with these sort of prices. May as well nuke Germany - it's all over.

    Replies: @German_reader

  431. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Solovyov is not necessarily so wealthy. Maybe he has tens of millions of dollars. But perhaps in the sense villas in Italy (which I can't remember exactly what was their price estimation, but I might recall they could be tens of millions of dollars) could be a significant part of his retirement plans now lost.

    His job is likely stressful as well, as he always has improvise to generate emotions from his audience to support what he thinks can help authorities and this is changing.

    For example, before the election in 2019 in Ukraine, he was supporting Zelensky against Poroshenko, as all federal media. Zelensky was more "reasonable", Zelensky likes Russia and the nationalists hate him, etc. Then after election Solovyov had immediately to reverse against Zelensky who was Poroshenko 2, radical nationalist.

    Speed of these reversals sometimes really fast. Who knows what it is like to do this kind of job, but if this was your profession, I believe you would need to sometimes forget what you were saying a week before.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    His job is likely stressful as well

    Aw, so stressful… poor thing. What, is he sitting in a basement with sirens going off all the time? Is his child dying in front of his eyes?

    I wasn’t talking about how affluent he is, I couldn’t care less about that. But his words mattered. It’s not just any job. He is complicit in what happened.

    What I was referring to was this…. this c*nt is whining about his lost house… when so many Ukrainian children died or were pushed out of their homes.

    Aw, “what do I have to do with this?” No, absolutely nothing.

    Ну чё, доигрались?

    No, I do agree… it didn’t have to turn out this way.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Lol but it makes sense he feels surprised he was targeted by sanctions as he is just a robot, like all this media.

    He's not a "journalist", he doesn't have an independent view that he is responsible for (only some freedom in unimportant topics, like his promotion of Israel).

    Europe and Italy for him, would be a time when he can relax after the hard work and escape the aggressive media persona, for this gangster impolite television.

    You put the coin into a coin slot and choose what you want him to say. It's impersonal because he says what authorities want him to, and authorities want is not his responsibility. In his case, he is providing a public service like "Two Minutes Hate" (https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_1), but not limited for two minutes.

    If you don't control something, then are you responsible for it? Psychologically a lot of people won't necessarily feel responsible, even about things they control, let alone where their decision is outsourced to those higher in rank within organization.

    In terms of international law there is another view and you won't be able to escape responsibility so easily, of course.

    In more totalitarian society, most people have so little control, that it goes in another direction. The public try to identify with the authority, to feel some kind of responsibility for its decisions (even though 99,99% have no power at all). People try to feel like they have some responsibility, in areas their power is less than zero.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  432. @German_reader
    @utu


    Have you considered taking anti-depressants?
     
    Why should I, my bad mood is only partially due to my personality defects, much of it is rooted in objective conditions.
    May sound selfish while people are dying in Ukraine, but the economic prospects look pretty bleak. Inflation is also strongly on the rise (only in part due to the war, much of it is a consequence of deeply flawed Eurozone policies). I was in the supermarket yesterday and buying some cheap Gouda cheese...I'm sure it cost just 1,99 Euros a box recently and had stayed at that price for years. Now it's 2,59 Euros. May be nothing compared to the deprivation a lot of people in 3rd world countries will soon be facing because of the Ukraine war, but it still deeply irritated me.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya

    The inflation started already before the war due to labor shortages (even in EE!). It was going to happen anyway. Ofc, this makes it all much worse… and was completely unnecessary.. country side doesn’t sound like a bad option anymore. Maybe not just yet, but possibly soon.

    • Replies: @JL
    @LatW

    No, the surge in inflation was not due to labor shortages, but to decades of irresponsible monetary, fiscal and energy policy on behalf of the EU. If the problem is labor shortages then no need to worry, you'll have plenty of fresh Ukrainian meat to fill the gaps.

    Replies: @LatW

  433. Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here’s a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread…

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former’s growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that’s correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can’t see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there’s a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it’s bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn’t become part of NATO, wouldn’t have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let’s assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn’t the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn’t it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn’t do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn’t the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    • Disagree: utu
    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Ron Unz

    In time, a greater number of Ukrainians might begin questioning Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as someone who (under the influence of nationalists) further instigated and prolonged a conflict whose end result could've occurred on better terms for Ukraine, without the deaths, displacement and destruction resulting from Russia's military action.

    Replies: @AP

    , @cortesar
    @Ron Unz

    Of course they should have
    While the discussions who is going to be winner may still be open (though I clearly see China as the one ) there is no possible scenario in which Ukraine could win
    I would go step further regarding the alternative history and say that that Ukrainians should never have allowed that witch Nuland to do what she did in 2014
    Had they resisted they would have the whole territory including possibly Crimea and the neutral status allowing them to be the bridge between EU and Russia
    They would have among other things very chip energy which would allow them to attract manufacturing from Europe
    As for Americans provoking Russians into war I think that is not unlikely
    Few days ago when peace was closer than any time since the beginning of the war the evil empire put a stop on any progress
    While the rest sane world was rejoicing for the most part there was nothing but an effort from Americans side to diminish and subvert it
    At this point the evil empire clearly wants to prolong the war and suffering as long as possible From there there is just one step to the possibility of manufacturing that war that they obviously think is in their interest

    , @A123
    @Ron Unz


    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here’s a broader question,
     
    I have tried to make this very suggestion several times.

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,
     
    Correct concept. Incorrect assignment of responsibility.

    The European WEF Elites of Davos want Open Borders to dilute Europe's Judeo-Christian population... Often stated as "The Great Replacement". The Brussels-Berlin Axis has recently encountered difficulty with sovereign nations resisting their Rape-ugees. Their European WEF solution? Create a Russia/Ukraine conflict to generate new migrant flows, thus covering the ongoing flood of illegal arrivals.

    Zerohedge asked the question “Who is coming across the border?”. In multiple cases the results are non-Ukrainians (1)


    More than 50 migrants clashed on Saturday night during a riot at a refugee facility in Munich as chairs and paving stones were used as weapons, prompting a huge police response.

    Bild cited a police source who said the overwhelming majority of the “refugees” were from the Sinti and Roma ethnic groups and that, “Only a fraction are really Ukrainian refugees.

    “They have brand-new Ukrainian passports, which are also real. Someone in Ukraine is making a fortune right now,” the newspaper quoted the police representative as saying.
    ...
    The official Twitter account of the Roscommon GAA Gaelic football team recently deleted a tweet which showed that around half of the “Ukrainian refugees” they welcomed to a game weren’t exactly Slavic-looking.

    The reality of the situation is clear; Economic migrants from Africa, the Middle East and South Asia are cynically exploiting the Ukrainian refugee wave to abuse the system and get free accommodation and welfare in European countries with poor vetting systems.

    This comes at the expense of genuine Ukrainian refugees who need urgent help.
     

    The next phase of replacement is already foretold. The groundwork is being laid for Food Shortage — Mass African Migration.. The sucker pitch will be, "Compassionate nations must accept healthy, well fed Rape-ugees who claim to be without food."

    So offhand, wasn’t the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn’t it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?
     
    Exceedingly little actually needed to be conceded. Ukraine's leadership should never have allowed the European (non-American) WEF Elites of Davos to intentionally provoke Russia from their territory.

    Avoiding inflammatory comments, such as openly stating Ukrainian interest in nuclear arms, would have kicked the can down the road.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/someone-making-fortune-out-giving-non-ukrainian-migrants-fake-ukrainian-passports

    Replies: @utu

    , @iffen
    @Ron Unz

    America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

    Is that you Barb?

    , @Brás Cubas
    @Ron Unz


    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former’s growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that’s correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.
     
    I find that reasoning extremely unlikely. Just look at the timing. Prior to the invasion, Germany was just about to close the deal with Russia on Nord Stream 2. I suppose it would be a matter of a few months at most. America's "provocations", on the other hand, were a continuing process, dating back to 2008, perhaps even earlier than that. Recent developments did not add anything that increased the perceived threat to Russia in a big enough way as to justify radical measures. If America hoped to provoke an invasion at such a short notice, they must have been quite clairvoyant that Russia would not wait until after Nord Stream 2 was in full operation to consider military action in Ukraine. By invading before the deal on Nord Stream 2 was closed, it was as if Russia severed its ties with Europe by her own free will. I don't know why she would do that, but sometimes countries act in stupid ways.
    You can focus on Ukraine's stupidity all you want, but it's irrelevant. Wasn't Putin himself who said that Ukraine is not even a real country? Is any of the commenters to whom you are addressing this question even Ukrainian? I don't know that, but the most vocal do not seem to be. Non-Ukrainians can claim they love Ukraine all they want, but they won't convince me that they aren't primarily concerned about their own welfare in their European Union democratic Putin-free comfort.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    , @AP
    @Ron Unz

    I’m on vacation with the family and other than checking the news will be mostly off line. Pending a more detailed response, I’ll say this: the Russian ultimatums were collectively similar to those made to Czechoslovakia, the Baltics and Finland prior to World War II the preceded the absorption of those countries by the ones making the ultimatums. They were a clear path to loss of statehood and full annexation as the next step. (recall the Putin has described Ukraine as a fake nation artificially separated from Russia).

    Ukrainians chose the Finnish path of fighting back. They believed (and most still do) that it was worth having a country despite the terrible price.

    Briefly:

    Demilitarisation- Ukraine is helpless

    Neutrality- No one can come to Ukraine’s aid when new demands or annexation comes into force

    Denazification- Russian code for purging Ukraine of patriots or nationalists

    Russian rights - Nice excuse for future intervention against a disarmed state for the sake of enforcing this condition

    Autonomy- veto power for pro-Russian regions over national policy. Goodbye EU association

    Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Mikhail

    , @Yevardian
    @Ron Unz


    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn’t become part of NATO, wouldn’t have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let’s assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    In hindsight, shouldn’t the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?
     

    Up to a point, but in retrospect I think the ongoing violent Donbass/Lunhansk insurgency made negotiations impossible. Even without the Ukrainian government being infested by the US State Department, no government still somewhat accountable to public opinion, or with any hope of foreign support (however ultimately malevolent), could make real concessions to Russia under such conditions. Earlier Russia had also been shortsighted in insisting on stupid gas-transit squabbles for years, a few ultimately minor concessions or symbolic magnanimous gestures, even if Ukraine was being difficult on purpose, could have gone a long way in convincing public opinion of real and ongoing benefits of economic integration with Russia over the EU.

    Even without Crimea I think Ukraines could have swallowed their pride, considering the strategic necessity of the Peninsula, and the complete lack of Ukrainian culture or population there, but the limbo 'Peoples Republics' spoiled everything. It would be asking too much of any country not completely on its knees and internationally ignored.

    The closest analogy that comes to mind now is Turkey and Cyprus, still barely talking decades later. Also instructive to compare that with Turkey's quick and decisive annexation of 'The Hatay Republic' it snatched from Syria.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ron Unz

    Good questions! I'll try to answer them the best that I can.


    the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn’t become part of NATO,
     
    If Ukraine had become a part of NATO sooner than later, it wouldn't be involved in this war today. For most of its history since independence (1991 - 2014) it never fully pursued NATO membership. Most of Ukraine's citizenry was opposed to NATO membership, and thus because NATO had no desire to be involved with a country which held itself with a low approval rating. Obviously, things changed after 201 4, and Russia opened a pandoras box within Ukraine for its desire to gain entrance in this organization. Some at this blog have suggested that Ukraine had already, by that time, lost its window of opportunity.

    wouldn’t have a strong military,
     
    Well, we all can see how foolish that notion has become? Without a strong military Ukraine would have ceased to exist as independent state after a three day cakewalk by Russia to Kyiv. We wouldn't be having this discussion today.

    would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements,
     
    This is a difficult and sticky problem for Ukraine to address. On the one hand, it couldn't just let the Donbas wither away, as it practically has in regards to Crimea, for this would set another bad precedent for trying to keep its large state in one unified whole. Also, there's the fact that unlike Crimea, this area had a majority of Ukrainians living within, today and historically. On the other hand, keeping it within Ukraine with its mostly Russified Ukrainian inhabitants would have always played to Russia's hand and would have prevented Ukraine's western EU aspirations. This is a hard nut to crack, and I admit that it's probably above my pay grade to unravel.

    plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language.

     

    Here's one area that Ukrainian officials probably acted too hastily, and could have come up with something more pragmatic and balanced to address the language situation in the greatly Russified Eastern area, especially within Donbas. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the new language policy that was promulgated on the heels of Yanukovych's departure in 2014 was one of the main reasons that the separatists gave for trying to secede from Ukraine. The reality was that the new language policy favoring the Ukrainian language never really took hold, and the locals never really felt any discriminatory backlash for continuing to use the Russian language. So, in effect the new law had no real effect other than to be used as a pretext for separation. For the few provinces that were heavilu Russified, a more balanced approach would have worked better, and allowed the "Easterners" to continue to use the language that they were most comfortable speaking. Ukrainian could have been implemented more slowly, especially within the school system, to influence the youth of the area to relearn what was for most of the inabitants their original mother tongue.

    Well, there you go, I hope that I provided you with some useful information, even if I couldn't honestly unravel the whole mess for you in a pragmatic sort of way.
     

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Wizard of Oz
    @Ron Unz

    In your tentative probabilistic assess.ent (as such a good example to UR threadsters) do you think you've given enough weight to what is increasingly emerging about Putin's peculiarities. I include the evidence of his illness ad the real possibility that its treatment is affecting his mind and overt behaviour. Also his repeated mischarecterisation of Russian and Ukrainian history, his refusal to acknowledge that the vast majority of Ukrainians, including the Russian speaking majority identify as Ukrainian and - if only because they haven't been inundated with Russian propaganda from a censored media - have very different attitudes to free enterprise and state ownership, for example.
    He doesn't resiled at all from denying Ukraine is a real country (yet Russia is!!?).

    Replies: @iffen

  434. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Nonsense. The Russians (like their tools here) were expecting the Ukrainian government and elites to flee Kiev and for resistance to be unorganized and ad hoc. For this purpose, elite paratroopers and a couple 10,000 troops including lots of OMON would have been sufficient and appropriate. Instead they fell into a trap.

    Very unlikely that the Russians would have deliberately allowed a lot of their elite paratroopers to be recklessly wasted like this in a false flag. This is just your cope. Instead it looks like the Russian really were going for a quick decapitation. Mass firings in Moscow further support that this was a major error.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail

    You don’t takeover a country with the size and population of Ukraine with a 200,000 or under force. Having a good sized contingent outside Kiev keeps the adversary guessing, while making it more difficult for that adversary to give support to where the main area of fighting is taking place.

    As for noticeable firings, Zelensky has had his share, as well as the murder of one of the Kiev regime negotiators and tall tale stories later proven false – including killed or fired leading Russian military personnel. Likewise with the suggestion of elite Russian paratroopers getting mowed down en masse.

  435. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Solovyov is not necessarily so wealthy. Maybe he has tens of millions of dollars. But perhaps in the sense villas in Italy (which I can't remember exactly what was their price estimation, but I might recall they could be tens of millions of dollars) could be a significant part of his retirement plans now lost.

    His job is likely stressful as well, as he always has improvise to generate emotions from his audience to support what he thinks can help authorities and this is changing.

    For example, before the election in 2019 in Ukraine, he was supporting Zelensky against Poroshenko, as all federal media. Zelensky was more "reasonable", Zelensky likes Russia and the nationalists hate him, etc. Then after election Solovyov had immediately to reverse against Zelensky who was Poroshenko 2, radical nationalist.

    Speed of these reversals sometimes really fast. Who knows what it is like to do this kind of job, but if this was your profession, I believe you would need to sometimes forget what you were saying a week before.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    For example, before the election in 2019 in Ukraine, he was supporting Zelensky against Poroshenko, as all federal media. Zelensky was more “reasonable”, Zelensky likes Russia and the nationalists hate him, etc. Then after election Solovyov had immediately to reverse against Zelensky who was Poroshenko 2, radical nationalist.

    Zelensky campaigned on a platform favoring better relations with Russia and ending the Donbass war. After taking office, he flip flopped out of the obvious disproportionate influence of the nationalists (examples include cancelling cultural arrangements with Russian venues like the Hermitage and awarding neo-Nazis).

    With that flip flop came an understandable Russian response.

  436. @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    In time, a greater number of Ukrainians might begin questioning Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as someone who (under the influence of nationalists) further instigated and prolonged a conflict whose end result could’ve occurred on better terms for Ukraine, without the deaths, displacement and destruction resulting from Russia’s military action.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    Pro-Russians like this guy writing about Ukraine’s “best interests” remind me a lot of Jewish neocons prior to the Iraq war insisting that they really have the best interests of the Arabs at heart.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  437. @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    Of course they should have
    While the discussions who is going to be winner may still be open (though I clearly see China as the one ) there is no possible scenario in which Ukraine could win
    I would go step further regarding the alternative history and say that that Ukrainians should never have allowed that witch Nuland to do what she did in 2014
    Had they resisted they would have the whole territory including possibly Crimea and the neutral status allowing them to be the bridge between EU and Russia
    They would have among other things very chip energy which would allow them to attract manufacturing from Europe
    As for Americans provoking Russians into war I think that is not unlikely
    Few days ago when peace was closer than any time since the beginning of the war the evil empire put a stop on any progress
    While the rest sane world was rejoicing for the most part there was nothing but an effort from Americans side to diminish and subvert it
    At this point the evil empire clearly wants to prolong the war and suffering as long as possible From there there is just one step to the possibility of manufacturing that war that they obviously think is in their interest

  438. @Mikel
    It looks like somebody hacked AK's twitter account. And seems to be familiar with his Unz articles...

    Since my entire "career" as a pundit has turned out to be negative value added, it is only appropriate that I leave all blogging and social media, and seek work more aligned with my skill set (e.g. flipping burgers).This account and all my websites will be deleted tomorrow.— Anatoly Karlin (🅉,🅉) (@akarlin0) April 1, 2022
     

    Replies: @nickels, @songbird, @songbird

    Oh, I see April Fool’s. Well, I am embarrassed. Would have got it, but I mistakenly thought of it as being nearly purely American. Though I can see AK’s style in it now, I originally thought I perceived something else.

    I’m pretty surprised to find that they celebrate the day in Ukraine, since at least the early 1970s, and it is a holiday, by coincidence in Odessa. Come to think of it, compared to some of the other holidays we have, it might not be bad if it was federally recognized in the US.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @songbird

    LOL. Good catch.

    Good to see that he still preserves some sense of humor. He has lately been channeling an irate personality that I didn't recognize in him. I guess embracing stuff like triune cosmism and making it an important part of your identity comes with such consequences.

  439. A123 says: • Website
    @utu
    @Dmitry

    Ron Unz believes in Syrian and Russian claims that about 70% of missiles launched by America, France and the UK in Syria in 2018 were intercepted, disabled or destroyed.

    He also believes in claims about S-300 and S-400 Russian systems that you can find in internet (Martyanov, Scott Ritter and many others). But the truth is that the Russian systems unlike American systems like the Patriot system apparently have not been tried in real combat situations. Even in Syria where Israel can do pretty much what it wants with impunity S-300 0r S-400 have not made any impact.


    Unanswered Israeli Air Strikes Against Syria Raise S-400 Questions (June 09, 2020)
    https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/

    Last year, the Israeli air force hit more than 200 targets in Syria connected to the Iranian effort to upgrade Hezbollah’s rockets. Some of those attacks have been reported to involve Israeli F-35s. The attacks continue apace this year with Syrian air defense forces having launched more than 1,000 surface-air missiles to try and foil the repeated Israeli attacks. They’ve had little effect so far.

    Tal Inbar, an Israeli defense analyst, told Breaking Defense that the S-300 and S-400 have never been proved in action against advanced fighters.
     

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

    Ron Unz believes in Syrian and Russian claims that about 70% of missiles launched by America, France and the UK in Syria in 2018 were intercepted, disabled or destroyed.

    Russia and Syria launched ~400 interceptors to hit 70% of 100 inbound weapons. That is a less than 20% success rate. Even if one discards half the attempted counter battery as obsolete (S-200 and earlier), then ~200:70 is still only a 35% success rate.

    Mr. Unz number is technically accurate, but only 70% is a “near failure” level of effectiveness. A competent system would have yielded a 90%+ intercept rate.

    Even in Syria where Israel can do pretty much what it wants with impunity S-300 0r S-400 have not made any impact.

    While upgraded, the S-300 backbone is 1970’s technology. The Syrians have a 1/2 Brigade of S-300. Israeli F-16I have them 100% spoofed to uselessness or are otherwise ignoring their presence. The Syrians managed to land an even older S-200 on the island of Cyprus.

    https://southfront.org/in-photos-syrian-s-200-missile-crashed-in-cyprus/

    S-400 is harder to judge. The Syrian military does not have the system, and there is no evidence that Russia has tried to use them against Israel F-16I. The Pentagon has an adamant stance against co-locating S-400 and F-35 (e.g. in Turkey). That could imply that the base S-400 cannot currently cope with F-35, however with sufficient testing it could be “dialed in”. Of course, it could be MIC firms sticking up for each other to keep out foreign competition. To me, the Pentagon’s zeal implies the former, but take your pick.

    S-400 did intercept some incoming U.S. Tomahawk cruise missiles in Syria, however there were far too few interceptors to save the target. Hard numbers are difficult to come by, but the cost of a single S-400 interceptor is reportedly comparable to the cost of a single conventional warhead Tomahawk @ ~$1MM each. Given the 10+:1 disparity in funding between the U.S. and Russian military, even vaguely comparable cost is a negative for Russia. The U.S. can afford to over saturate any target and win by pure volume of munitions.

    PEACE 😇

  440. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here’s a broader question,

    I have tried to make this very suggestion several times.

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,

    Correct concept. Incorrect assignment of responsibility.

    The European WEF Elites of Davos want Open Borders to dilute Europe’s Judeo-Christian population… Often stated as “The Great Replacement”. The Brussels-Berlin Axis has recently encountered difficulty with sovereign nations resisting their Rape-ugees. Their European WEF solution? Create a Russia/Ukraine conflict to generate new migrant flows, thus covering the ongoing flood of illegal arrivals.

    Zerohedge asked the question “Who is coming across the border?”. In multiple cases the results are non-Ukrainians (1)

    More than 50 migrants clashed on Saturday night during a riot at a refugee facility in Munich as chairs and paving stones were used as weapons, prompting a huge police response.

    Bild cited a police source who said the overwhelming majority of the “refugees” were from the Sinti and Roma ethnic groups and that, “Only a fraction are really Ukrainian refugees.

    “They have brand-new Ukrainian passports, which are also real. Someone in Ukraine is making a fortune right now,” the newspaper quoted the police representative as saying.

    The official Twitter account of the Roscommon GAA Gaelic football team recently deleted a tweet which showed that around half of the “Ukrainian refugees” they welcomed to a game weren’t exactly Slavic-looking.

    The reality of the situation is clear; Economic migrants from Africa, the Middle East and South Asia are cynically exploiting the Ukrainian refugee wave to abuse the system and get free accommodation and welfare in European countries with poor vetting systems.

    This comes at the expense of genuine Ukrainian refugees who need urgent help.

    The next phase of replacement is already foretold. The groundwork is being laid for Food Shortage — Mass African Migration.. The sucker pitch will be, “Compassionate nations must accept healthy, well fed Rape-ugees who claim to be without food.”

    So offhand, wasn’t the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn’t it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    Exceedingly little actually needed to be conceded. Ukraine’s leadership should never have allowed the European (non-American) WEF Elites of Davos to intentionally provoke Russia from their territory.

    Avoiding inflammatory comments, such as openly stating Ukrainian interest in nuclear arms, would have kicked the can down the road.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/someone-making-fortune-out-giving-non-ukrainian-migrants-fake-ukrainian-passports

    • Replies: @utu
    @A123

    You are recirculating garbage from Zerohedge. All this about WEF, fake Ukrainians, passports and so on. I think we could do w/o that character Daniel Ivandjiiski = Tyler Durden.


    The New York article made assertions regarding Ivandjiiski's background, particularly his Bulgarian citizenship, his FINRA charge and lifetime ban from securities trading, and his father, Krassimir Ivandjiiski's, own controversial news and political website, Strogo Sekretno (Bulgarian: Строго секретно; English "Top Secret"),[a] and Krassimir's position in the pre-1990 Bulgarian-Soviet administration". - Wiki
     

    Replies: @German_reader

  441. i definitely don’t want to see Steve Sailer and Scott Ritter argue on the internet. can we avoid this please.

    i left this thread weeks ago because the signal to noise ratio is now the lowest of all time on unz.com. there’s not much real military discussion here. even if there was, lots of posters have become too annoying to bother. but let’s avoid having old boomer Steve trying to discuss this stuff with a Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and UN Weapons Inspector.

    Steve did quality work for 20 years and used to be one of the best writers on the internet. let’s not Bruce Willis him now that he’s in great decline and on his way to becoming irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @prime noticer

    I'm not a Boomer and I think that the Russian military has performed poorly. Ritter is an expert but experts get things wrong all the time. Russia will finish off the Donbas and the southeastern coast but after that the war almost certainly ends.

  442. @prime noticer
    i definitely don't want to see Steve Sailer and Scott Ritter argue on the internet. can we avoid this please.

    i left this thread weeks ago because the signal to noise ratio is now the lowest of all time on unz.com. there's not much real military discussion here. even if there was, lots of posters have become too annoying to bother. but let's avoid having old boomer Steve trying to discuss this stuff with a Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and UN Weapons Inspector.

    Steve did quality work for 20 years and used to be one of the best writers on the internet. let's not Bruce Willis him now that he's in great decline and on his way to becoming irrelevant.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I’m not a Boomer and I think that the Russian military has performed poorly. Ritter is an expert but experts get things wrong all the time. Russia will finish off the Donbas and the southeastern coast but after that the war almost certainly ends.

  443. @German_reader
    @utu


    Have you considered taking anti-depressants?
     
    Why should I, my bad mood is only partially due to my personality defects, much of it is rooted in objective conditions.
    May sound selfish while people are dying in Ukraine, but the economic prospects look pretty bleak. Inflation is also strongly on the rise (only in part due to the war, much of it is a consequence of deeply flawed Eurozone policies). I was in the supermarket yesterday and buying some cheap Gouda cheese...I'm sure it cost just 1,99 Euros a box recently and had stayed at that price for years. Now it's 2,59 Euros. May be nothing compared to the deprivation a lot of people in 3rd world countries will soon be facing because of the Ukraine war, but it still deeply irritated me.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya

    I was in the supermarket yesterday and buying some cheap Gouda cheese…I’m sure it cost just 1,99 Euros a box recently and had stayed at that price for years. Now it’s 2,59 Euros.

    Gouda cheese for 2.59 euros? Good heavens! How can anyone possibly survive with these sort of prices. May as well nuke Germany – it’s all over.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yahya

    It's a discount supermarket brand that is literally called Gut und günstig (Good and cheap).
    But as I did write the price rises in Germany are of course tolerable compared to the food shortages many people in countries like Egypt will in all likelihood experience because of the Ukraine war.

  444. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @German_reader


    I was in the supermarket yesterday and buying some cheap Gouda cheese…I’m sure it cost just 1,99 Euros a box recently and had stayed at that price for years. Now it’s 2,59 Euros.
     
    Gouda cheese for 2.59 euros? Good heavens! How can anyone possibly survive with these sort of prices. May as well nuke Germany - it's all over.

    Replies: @German_reader

    It’s a discount supermarket brand that is literally called Gut und günstig (Good and cheap).
    But as I did write the price rises in Germany are of course tolerable compared to the food shortages many people in countries like Egypt will in all likelihood experience because of the Ukraine war.

  445. @utu
    @Dmitry

    Ron Unz believes in Syrian and Russian claims that about 70% of missiles launched by America, France and the UK in Syria in 2018 were intercepted, disabled or destroyed.

    He also believes in claims about S-300 and S-400 Russian systems that you can find in internet (Martyanov, Scott Ritter and many others). But the truth is that the Russian systems unlike American systems like the Patriot system apparently have not been tried in real combat situations. Even in Syria where Israel can do pretty much what it wants with impunity S-300 0r S-400 have not made any impact.


    Unanswered Israeli Air Strikes Against Syria Raise S-400 Questions (June 09, 2020)
    https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/

    Last year, the Israeli air force hit more than 200 targets in Syria connected to the Iranian effort to upgrade Hezbollah’s rockets. Some of those attacks have been reported to involve Israeli F-35s. The attacks continue apace this year with Syrian air defense forces having launched more than 1,000 surface-air missiles to try and foil the repeated Israeli attacks. They’ve had little effect so far.

    Tal Inbar, an Israeli defense analyst, told Breaking Defense that the S-300 and S-400 have never been proved in action against advanced fighters.
     

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

    Larry C Johnson and Pat Lang said most of the cruise missiles launched at Syria were intercepted, the damage inflicted was minimal, so makes sense.

  446. utu says:
    @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    Maybe Ron paid too much attention to Karlin's "unboxing aficionado and footwear fetishist" tropes.
    Personally, I think that you are a reasonable and insightful voice, worth reading.

    For what it's worth, I think that an amateur observer can often have insights at least as accurate as the professional. The professional can easily get locked in rigid thinking predicated by their loyalties and paycheck. They often see patterns that fit a preconceived notion, but are ultimately wildly incorrect.

    One of my earliest and vivid memories of this playing out was my father (influenced by Pat Buchanan etc.) calling out the American invasion of Iraq from the onset as a colossal mistake and stating that they were going to unleash chaos in the country. I was late teens at the time, so didn't have a firmly established idea of foreign affairs myself, but later noted that he (and Pat) had been right on the nose there in contrast to pretty much all the smart professional set of "knowers".

    Replies: @utu

    “my father […] calling out the American invasion of Iraq from the onset as a colossal mistake and stating that they were going to unleash chaos in the country” – My exact feelings and they were very strong. At that time I found some solace in the American Conservative that published Pat Buchanan and others (Sniegoski iirc who was the first one to zoom in onto the Neo-cons). At that time I had no idea who was behind the publication except for the names of Buchanan and Taki but it all sounded right and reasonable. My friends who were also anti-war were turned off by “Conservative” in the title and refused to a accept a copy of the AC when I was trying to hand it to them.

    I was anti-war then against the invasion of Iraq for the same reasons and sentiments I am anti-war now and against the invasion of Ukraine. In this respect I think I am consistent as opposed to those who support Putin and Russia now and when criticized fall back on the old school of Soviet whataboutism and point out: and what about Iraq? What about Iraq? War on Iraq was wrong and it does not make the war on Ukraine right!

    Since then I have learned about Ron Unz but I haven’t questioned his motives. But now I wonder what has become of him and whether whatever makes him anti-American was already there in 2003.

    Still I am very grateful for the AM in 2003 and few years after it.

    BTW, I remember that Sailer was writing film reviews there and while knowing nothing about him and nothing about the IQism nd HBDism he is possessed by he sounded odd and off as somewhat an incomplete persons to me though I could not put a finger on it. But now I know more.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @utu


    Since then I have learned about Ron Unz but I haven’t questioned his motives. But now I wonder what has become of him and whether whatever makes him anti-American was already there in 2003.
     
    Ron Unz only became publisher in 2007 (when American conservative was in financial difficulties iirc), I don't think he had much, if anything, to do with the magazine in 2003 (I read its website back then, and certainly don't remember him from the time of the Iraq war, it was Buchanan, Taki and Scott Mcconnell then, also people like Paul Gottfried).
  447. It’d be ironically funny if the US or EU gradually builds up a command economy after sanctioning much of the world’s production and finance. Even when they have IoT I doubt their ability when enough people are exiting. Morbidly so if political establishments scale up domestic financial exclusion to the half of the political spectrum they don’t like (and I’m not just talking about Liberals). No one is on moral upper ground now.

    Economic war was waged on countries they were warring with (fair game) or socialist countries (which ideologically don’t require heavy foreign trade to survive). Russia wants to be capitalist and it’s the first time a genuinely capitalist economy has been sanctioned to such an extent. They’re now crossing the Rubicon of dismantling capitalism from within.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Yellowface Anon

    Maybe this is a case where the best is the enemy of the good. By trying to build a perfectly liberal world, the US may end up destroying liberalism altogether.
    P.S.: What's IoT? Internet of Things?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  448. utu says:
    @A123
    @Ron Unz


    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here’s a broader question,
     
    I have tried to make this very suggestion several times.

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,
     
    Correct concept. Incorrect assignment of responsibility.

    The European WEF Elites of Davos want Open Borders to dilute Europe's Judeo-Christian population... Often stated as "The Great Replacement". The Brussels-Berlin Axis has recently encountered difficulty with sovereign nations resisting their Rape-ugees. Their European WEF solution? Create a Russia/Ukraine conflict to generate new migrant flows, thus covering the ongoing flood of illegal arrivals.

    Zerohedge asked the question “Who is coming across the border?”. In multiple cases the results are non-Ukrainians (1)


    More than 50 migrants clashed on Saturday night during a riot at a refugee facility in Munich as chairs and paving stones were used as weapons, prompting a huge police response.

    Bild cited a police source who said the overwhelming majority of the “refugees” were from the Sinti and Roma ethnic groups and that, “Only a fraction are really Ukrainian refugees.

    “They have brand-new Ukrainian passports, which are also real. Someone in Ukraine is making a fortune right now,” the newspaper quoted the police representative as saying.
    ...
    The official Twitter account of the Roscommon GAA Gaelic football team recently deleted a tweet which showed that around half of the “Ukrainian refugees” they welcomed to a game weren’t exactly Slavic-looking.

    The reality of the situation is clear; Economic migrants from Africa, the Middle East and South Asia are cynically exploiting the Ukrainian refugee wave to abuse the system and get free accommodation and welfare in European countries with poor vetting systems.

    This comes at the expense of genuine Ukrainian refugees who need urgent help.
     

    The next phase of replacement is already foretold. The groundwork is being laid for Food Shortage — Mass African Migration.. The sucker pitch will be, "Compassionate nations must accept healthy, well fed Rape-ugees who claim to be without food."

    So offhand, wasn’t the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn’t it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?
     
    Exceedingly little actually needed to be conceded. Ukraine's leadership should never have allowed the European (non-American) WEF Elites of Davos to intentionally provoke Russia from their territory.

    Avoiding inflammatory comments, such as openly stating Ukrainian interest in nuclear arms, would have kicked the can down the road.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/someone-making-fortune-out-giving-non-ukrainian-migrants-fake-ukrainian-passports

    Replies: @utu

    You are recirculating garbage from Zerohedge. All this about WEF, fake Ukrainians, passports and so on. I think we could do w/o that character Daniel Ivandjiiski = Tyler Durden.

    The New York article made assertions regarding Ivandjiiski’s background, particularly his Bulgarian citizenship, his FINRA charge and lifetime ban from securities trading, and his father, Krassimir Ivandjiiski’s, own controversial news and political website, Strogo Sekretno (Bulgarian: Строго секретно; English “Top Secret”),[a] and Krassimir’s position in the pre-1990 Bulgarian-Soviet administration”. – Wiki

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @utu


    fake Ukrainians, passports and so on.
     
    Scale of the problem may be exaggerated (or not, who knows), but why do you think that's implausible? Germany's minister of the interior, a fanatical "antifascist", is ruling out any attempts to register Ukrainian refugees (or "refugees") at the border, of course this will be exploited by migrants who've got nothing to do with Ukraine (or who've managed to acquire fake Ukrainian papers).
    This is from a fairly mainstream media publication:
    https://www.merkur.de/lokales/garmisch-partenkirchen/garmisch-partenkirchen-ort28711/news-ukraine-krieg-gap-fluechtlinge-ankunft-bayern-garmisch-unterbringung-hotel-frauen-busse-91399748.html
    Hotel in Bavaria wants to house Ukrainian refugees...most turn out to be African and Asian "students", who are unable to speak Russian or Ukrainian, and only broken English (lol).
    Where A123 is drifting into absurd conspiracy theory territory is his claim that "WEF elites" have manufactured the present war for this purpose, which I suppose is meant to absolve Putin from his responsibility for this war.

    Replies: @utu, @A123

  449. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @A123

    You are recirculating garbage from Zerohedge. All this about WEF, fake Ukrainians, passports and so on. I think we could do w/o that character Daniel Ivandjiiski = Tyler Durden.


    The New York article made assertions regarding Ivandjiiski's background, particularly his Bulgarian citizenship, his FINRA charge and lifetime ban from securities trading, and his father, Krassimir Ivandjiiski's, own controversial news and political website, Strogo Sekretno (Bulgarian: Строго секретно; English "Top Secret"),[a] and Krassimir's position in the pre-1990 Bulgarian-Soviet administration". - Wiki
     

    Replies: @German_reader

    fake Ukrainians, passports and so on.

    Scale of the problem may be exaggerated (or not, who knows), but why do you think that’s implausible? Germany’s minister of the interior, a fanatical “antifascist”, is ruling out any attempts to register Ukrainian refugees (or “refugees”) at the border, of course this will be exploited by migrants who’ve got nothing to do with Ukraine (or who’ve managed to acquire fake Ukrainian papers).
    This is from a fairly mainstream media publication:
    https://www.merkur.de/lokales/garmisch-partenkirchen/garmisch-partenkirchen-ort28711/news-ukraine-krieg-gap-fluechtlinge-ankunft-bayern-garmisch-unterbringung-hotel-frauen-busse-91399748.html
    Hotel in Bavaria wants to house Ukrainian refugees…most turn out to be African and Asian “students”, who are unable to speak Russian or Ukrainian, and only broken English (lol).
    Where A123 is drifting into absurd conspiracy theory territory is his claim that “WEF elites” have manufactured the present war for this purpose, which I suppose is meant to absolve Putin from his responsibility for this war.

    • Replies: @utu
    @German_reader

    Ukrainian refugees who came to Germany have passports or some other travel documents proving entry to Poland, Slovakia, Hungary or Romania so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.

    I agree that there are fake passports that actually can be quite real in circulations but this is what various gangs that traffic people always were doing and in case of corrupt countries like Ukraine it is quite possible to buy passports that are pretty real. There were fake-real Lithuanian passports that were in circulation and people dealing in them were caught in Ukraine not so long ago.

    I have read that in Poland non-Ukrainians were put in detention like centers if they wanted to stay in Poland and had to go through a rigmarole of applications and paper work that lasts very long and does not offer high chance of success. But if they did not want to stay in Poland and had passports of their countries even if they come fromUkraine they were allowed to travel anywhere if they can get visa but Poland does not consider them as refugees because they have their countries to go back to unlike Ukrainians.

    Then there are Gypsies who do not look like Ukrainians but like people form outside of Europe but they can be legitimate citizens of Ukraine.

    Passports scams are plausible but the scale of phenomena is very small I think. But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP. Actually Ron Unz says pretty much the same that if Ukraine did not resist there would be no suffering. I wonder how he would respond to home invasion? How would he know that unresisted home invasion would not be followed with invasion of his body? Anyway, ZeroHedge, A123 and Ron Unz are selling us Russian disinformation. Unfortunately there are many idiots who buy it.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis but more specifically it is Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis of Chabad, Breitbart, ZeroHedge, Trump, MAGA and Qanonism. What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual, so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Mikel

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    Where A123 is drifting into absurd conspiracy theory territory is his claim that “WEF elites” have manufactured the present war for this purpose
     
    Everybody keeps blaming America (directly) or "The West" (which is a coded way of saying America). The U.S. has an illegitimate President and is currently consumed by its own internal issues. It could not generate this problem.

    Announcing the desire to point nukes at Russia... Why would any Ukrainian official think they could get away with that? (1)


    Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany Andriy Melnik said the country is considering all its options.

    He said: “Ukraine has no other choice - either we are part of an alliance such as NATO and are doing our part to make this Europe stronger, or we have the only option – to arm by ourselves and maybe think about nuclear status again.
     

    Who gave Ukraine false hopes of EU membership and other fantasies? Who lured (possibly manipulated) Zelensky's administration into provoking Putin with insanity like this?

    Europeans. Specifically, the dominant "authoritarian left" politicians of Brussels and Berlin. These actors serve Elite needs, not the populace that supposedly elected them. WEF Elites is thus useful shorthand. It points out the problem in a compact and useful way. European WEF Elites is sometimes better when people insist of trying to shift blame onto America.

    The problem with Europe is Europe, not America.

    I believe that you have cast a critical eye on both German and EU governance. When you are not lobbing inflammatory Troll phrases like "precious Trump" you seem to have a rational mind;

    Consider "Means, Motive, and Opportunity":

    -- How hard would it be to subvert a fragile democracy like Ukraine's?
    -- Do you really that European Open Borders "True Belivers" would not create a war to serve their extremist multicultural dogma?
    -- What faction wins from an unnecessary Ukraine/Russia War?

    What I am suggesting is not particularly conspiratorial.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) From 2021 -- https://www.the-sun.com/news/2713463/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-russia-putin-2/

  450. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @Barbarossa

    "my father [...] calling out the American invasion of Iraq from the onset as a colossal mistake and stating that they were going to unleash chaos in the country" - My exact feelings and they were very strong. At that time I found some solace in the American Conservative that published Pat Buchanan and others (Sniegoski iirc who was the first one to zoom in onto the Neo-cons). At that time I had no idea who was behind the publication except for the names of Buchanan and Taki but it all sounded right and reasonable. My friends who were also anti-war were turned off by "Conservative" in the title and refused to a accept a copy of the AC when I was trying to hand it to them.

    I was anti-war then against the invasion of Iraq for the same reasons and sentiments I am anti-war now and against the invasion of Ukraine. In this respect I think I am consistent as opposed to those who support Putin and Russia now and when criticized fall back on the old school of Soviet whataboutism and point out: and what about Iraq? What about Iraq? War on Iraq was wrong and it does not make the war on Ukraine right!

    Since then I have learned about Ron Unz but I haven't questioned his motives. But now I wonder what has become of him and whether whatever makes him anti-American was already there in 2003.

    Still I am very grateful for the AM in 2003 and few years after it.

    BTW, I remember that Sailer was writing film reviews there and while knowing nothing about him and nothing about the IQism nd HBDism he is possessed by he sounded odd and off as somewhat an incomplete persons to me though I could not put a finger on it. But now I know more.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Since then I have learned about Ron Unz but I haven’t questioned his motives. But now I wonder what has become of him and whether whatever makes him anti-American was already there in 2003.

    Ron Unz only became publisher in 2007 (when American conservative was in financial difficulties iirc), I don’t think he had much, if anything, to do with the magazine in 2003 (I read its website back then, and certainly don’t remember him from the time of the Iraq war, it was Buchanan, Taki and Scott Mcconnell then, also people like Paul Gottfried).

    • Thanks: utu
  451. utu says:
    @German_reader
    @utu


    fake Ukrainians, passports and so on.
     
    Scale of the problem may be exaggerated (or not, who knows), but why do you think that's implausible? Germany's minister of the interior, a fanatical "antifascist", is ruling out any attempts to register Ukrainian refugees (or "refugees") at the border, of course this will be exploited by migrants who've got nothing to do with Ukraine (or who've managed to acquire fake Ukrainian papers).
    This is from a fairly mainstream media publication:
    https://www.merkur.de/lokales/garmisch-partenkirchen/garmisch-partenkirchen-ort28711/news-ukraine-krieg-gap-fluechtlinge-ankunft-bayern-garmisch-unterbringung-hotel-frauen-busse-91399748.html
    Hotel in Bavaria wants to house Ukrainian refugees...most turn out to be African and Asian "students", who are unable to speak Russian or Ukrainian, and only broken English (lol).
    Where A123 is drifting into absurd conspiracy theory territory is his claim that "WEF elites" have manufactured the present war for this purpose, which I suppose is meant to absolve Putin from his responsibility for this war.

    Replies: @utu, @A123

    Ukrainian refugees who came to Germany have passports or some other travel documents proving entry to Poland, Slovakia, Hungary or Romania so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.

    I agree that there are fake passports that actually can be quite real in circulations but this is what various gangs that traffic people always were doing and in case of corrupt countries like Ukraine it is quite possible to buy passports that are pretty real. There were fake-real Lithuanian passports that were in circulation and people dealing in them were caught in Ukraine not so long ago.

    I have read that in Poland non-Ukrainians were put in detention like centers if they wanted to stay in Poland and had to go through a rigmarole of applications and paper work that lasts very long and does not offer high chance of success. But if they did not want to stay in Poland and had passports of their countries even if they come fromUkraine they were allowed to travel anywhere if they can get visa but Poland does not consider them as refugees because they have their countries to go back to unlike Ukrainians.

    Then there are Gypsies who do not look like Ukrainians but like people form outside of Europe but they can be legitimate citizens of Ukraine.

    Passports scams are plausible but the scale of phenomena is very small I think. But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP. Actually Ron Unz says pretty much the same that if Ukraine did not resist there would be no suffering. I wonder how he would respond to home invasion? How would he know that unresisted home invasion would not be followed with invasion of his body? Anyway, ZeroHedge, A123 and Ron Unz are selling us Russian disinformation. Unfortunately there are many idiots who buy it.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv – Lubyanka axis but more specifically it is Brooklyn -Tel Aviv – Lubyanka axis of Chabad, Breitbart, ZeroHedge, Trump, MAGA and Qanonism. What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual, so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv – Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @utu


    so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.
     
    You don't understand, the German government doesn't want to check or control who's coming, for ideological reasons (they're also incompetent).

    But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP.
     
    The part about Europe being flooded with Africans is likely to be correct, you don't have any real argument against it.
    I agree though that it's in effect pro-Russian propaganda to blame this on Ukrainian resistance to Russia's invasion, the issues aren't necessarily linked. If the political establishment in European countries wanted to stop non-European immigration, they could easily do so.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv – Lubyanka axis
     
    I generally think you're paranoid with your accusations, but I admit the thought has crossed my mind that A123 might be indeed be some kind of disinformation agent, given his peculiar views. Or maybe he's just an individual with especially bizarre views. I don't know.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @utu


    so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv – Lubyanka spiel.
     
    This is sort of what I sometimes think about Miles Mathis but the reality is far more likely:

    A. we are kind of paranoid;
    +
    B. it is a real person who by combination of factors is obsessed and has a lot of energy and most definitely doesn't have a family to provide for and eat up all their prime time.

    Mathis' family of origin appears to be decently well-off and he definitely does not have a real job. If this kind of bullshit is your hobby horse you can type out reams in forty hours a week. It is most definitely an advantage that it does not have to add up. That is an extremely tight constraint.

    Also Mathis' piece on the Manson murders is quite fine; I am kind of amazed he could do that.

    , @A123
    @utu


    What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual.
     
    I appreciate the complement. I have lots of knowledge, and can usually provide a confirming link or two fairly quickly.

    To the extent that a limited amount of bad data slips through. My apologies.


    so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv – Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed
     
    I sleep for much less than the typical 8 hours per day and sometimes have to coordinate with international colleagues. My posting timing is unusual, but not evidence of an AI or team.

    What organizer would fund a team to or AI to expose George IslamoSoros as a Muslim?

    I wish that type of support for the TRUTH existed. Sadly, it does not.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @iffen

    , @Mikel
    @utu


    I wonder how he would respond to home invasion?
     
    I think you got this backwards. In the case of a home invasion you definitely should try to defend yourself, especially if you have some self-defense weapons, as luckily many of us in the US have (and so does Ukraine as a country). What you don't do when you see your home invaded is position yourself behind your wife and children, hoping that the invaders will not dare kill them.

    If you fail in your attempt to repel the invaders they may certainly kill your family but at least you've tried to do your best to save them as your primary goal.

    However, we live in a world where you would be considered a villain if you hid behind your family yet it is considered normal for the armed forces of a country to follow a totally equivalent strategy. And the difference is obfuscated by appeals to abstract concepts like sovereignty, territorial integrity, inviolability of a country's borders,... Basically, words that magically turn the immoral into moral because it is tacitly understood, but never clearly expressed, that preserving the lives of its citizens is not the main goal of a country's defense forces. Political goals are more important.

    Like everybody around the world, I am very impressed by the courage of the Ukrainians. I find hard to imagine the patriotism shown by the Ukrainian population anywhere in Western Europe. But that doesn't change the fact that by taking cover inside cities the Ukrainian authorities are consciously subjecting their civilian population to massive damage.

    You may well respond with some of your inane accusations of me being a secret agent of some superpower but I think that in times of war people easily forget what is moral and what is not. For me, having grown up in a country plagued by the consequences of terrorism and repression, highlighting these things has always been important, no matter what others think.
  452. JL says:
    @LatW
    @sudden death


    true false flag
     
    Btw, Oleh Zhdanov in the above interview speculates that some munitions could've self exploded there because they are old and not well maintained. Not sure if it's valid. Putin kept saying the UA air force has been disabled, so how come they hit Belgorod now? If they did do it, it's understandable, because it's a total war now. In a total war, neither side respects the other's border. Scary...

    Btw, did you hear that the Russians who were in Chernobyl, tried to dig in there and by doing so uncovered the really contaminated soil... got all sick and were taken to Belarus with radiation sickness, with permanent damage to their health... so cruel to the troops.

    Did you hear the insane stories about the "biolab birds" that are sent into Russia from the Ukrainian territory? The Bandera Birds, lol.

    And did you see Solovyov's whining about his lost properties in Italy....? From a couple of weeks ago... where he goes "Why do I need all this....".

    Insane...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @JL, @sudden death

    Putin kept saying the UA air force has been disabled, so how come they hit Belgorod now?

    The Russians claimed the depot was hit with Mi-24s, which are helicopters. Helicopters don’t belong to the air force, but to the army. And Ukraine still has some fully functional Su-27s parked in Romania, from what I gather.

  453. @LatW
    @German_reader

    The inflation started already before the war due to labor shortages (even in EE!). It was going to happen anyway. Ofc, this makes it all much worse... and was completely unnecessary.. country side doesn't sound like a bad option anymore. Maybe not just yet, but possibly soon.

    Replies: @JL

    No, the surge in inflation was not due to labor shortages, but to decades of irresponsible monetary, fiscal and energy policy on behalf of the EU. If the problem is labor shortages then no need to worry, you’ll have plenty of fresh Ukrainian meat to fill the gaps.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @LatW
    @JL


    the surge in inflation was not due to labor shortages,
     
    My point was that inflation was already surging globally prior to February 24, due to various reasons. Supply chain disruptions due to Covid, etc. Heating bills jumped to insane levels months ago. It is dishonest to blame this all on Ukraine trying to defend itself and the West's unanimous response. It was Russia's choice to do this.

    If the problem is labor shortages then no need to worry, you’ll have plenty of fresh Ukrainian meat to fill the gaps.
     
    First of all, they're not "meat", but human beings, in the case of the Baltic countries, these people are the spouses and children of our saviors / defenders. The Poles, too, feel solidarity with them. Housing them is the least we can do. And, yes, it will be helpful to hire them (although they should rest first). There are posts on the job boards "Hiring Ukrainians" on many job ads. We need people. I see absolutely no reason to be contemptuous, as you sound here.

    Replies: @A123

  454. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @German_reader

    Ukrainian refugees who came to Germany have passports or some other travel documents proving entry to Poland, Slovakia, Hungary or Romania so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.

    I agree that there are fake passports that actually can be quite real in circulations but this is what various gangs that traffic people always were doing and in case of corrupt countries like Ukraine it is quite possible to buy passports that are pretty real. There were fake-real Lithuanian passports that were in circulation and people dealing in them were caught in Ukraine not so long ago.

    I have read that in Poland non-Ukrainians were put in detention like centers if they wanted to stay in Poland and had to go through a rigmarole of applications and paper work that lasts very long and does not offer high chance of success. But if they did not want to stay in Poland and had passports of their countries even if they come fromUkraine they were allowed to travel anywhere if they can get visa but Poland does not consider them as refugees because they have their countries to go back to unlike Ukrainians.

    Then there are Gypsies who do not look like Ukrainians but like people form outside of Europe but they can be legitimate citizens of Ukraine.

    Passports scams are plausible but the scale of phenomena is very small I think. But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP. Actually Ron Unz says pretty much the same that if Ukraine did not resist there would be no suffering. I wonder how he would respond to home invasion? How would he know that unresisted home invasion would not be followed with invasion of his body? Anyway, ZeroHedge, A123 and Ron Unz are selling us Russian disinformation. Unfortunately there are many idiots who buy it.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis but more specifically it is Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis of Chabad, Breitbart, ZeroHedge, Trump, MAGA and Qanonism. What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual, so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Mikel

    so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.

    You don’t understand, the German government doesn’t want to check or control who’s coming, for ideological reasons (they’re also incompetent).

    But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP.

    The part about Europe being flooded with Africans is likely to be correct, you don’t have any real argument against it.
    I agree though that it’s in effect pro-Russian propaganda to blame this on Ukrainian resistance to Russia’s invasion, the issues aren’t necessarily linked. If the political establishment in European countries wanted to stop non-European immigration, they could easily do so.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv – Lubyanka axis

    I generally think you’re paranoid with your accusations, but I admit the thought has crossed my mind that A123 might be indeed be some kind of disinformation agent, given his peculiar views. Or maybe he’s just an individual with especially bizarre views. I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    I generally think you’re paranoid with your accusations, but I admit the thought has crossed my mind that A123 might be indeed be some kind of disinformation agent, given his peculiar views. Or maybe he’s just an individual with especially bizarre views. I don’t know.
     
    I really think both of you are wasting headspace considering that handle, I blocked that thing a long time ago, I was even quite disappointed to see Our Benevolent Overlord himself interact with it. Doesn't matter the topic, it will be some incoherent (can bots really string such things at this point?) mixture of gibberish about Biden, Iran, MAGA and Israel.

    I need to hear something optimistic re. either the West or Russia today.
    All I see in this regard now is crabs in a bucket, (now to violently mix metaphors) with barbarians pressing everywhere at the gates.

    Replies: @German_reader

  455. @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

    Is that you Barb?

  456. @LatW
    @sudden death


    true false flag
     
    Btw, Oleh Zhdanov in the above interview speculates that some munitions could've self exploded there because they are old and not well maintained. Not sure if it's valid. Putin kept saying the UA air force has been disabled, so how come they hit Belgorod now? If they did do it, it's understandable, because it's a total war now. In a total war, neither side respects the other's border. Scary...

    Btw, did you hear that the Russians who were in Chernobyl, tried to dig in there and by doing so uncovered the really contaminated soil... got all sick and were taken to Belarus with radiation sickness, with permanent damage to their health... so cruel to the troops.

    Did you hear the insane stories about the "biolab birds" that are sent into Russia from the Ukrainian territory? The Bandera Birds, lol.

    And did you see Solovyov's whining about his lost properties in Italy....? From a couple of weeks ago... where he goes "Why do I need all this....".

    Insane...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @JL, @sudden death

    If they did do it, it’s understandable, because it’s a total war now. In a total war, neither side respects the other’s border. Scary…

    btw, it should be reminded – according to the official RF propaganda narrative it is UA that attacked inside RF territory prior Feb 24, so for the usual casual average citizen in RF the border crossing thing is not somehow revolutionizing event in this war, as in their own ruler created alternative reality, which many casuals do believe honestly, it has already been done.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death


    it has already been done.
     
    Absolutely, it is a very common Russian MO that was employed before the invasion of our countries, too, in 1940.

    Frankly, these events just highlight the importance of stability of the borders. The security of the nation state is a guarantee against the non-European migrant assaults. The Ukrainians warned already a few years back that the number of migrants coming from the East, from the Russian territory, is increasing. It should've been vital to keep Ukraine's border's intact and well guarded.

    Not to mention that a Pandora's box is being opened, to trigger conflicts elsewhere, where others will feel emboldened to do the same...

  457. @utu
    @Wokechoke

    "Stop doing the straw manning with that nanochips crap." - Tell it to Ron Unz. He links to articles about it. See Newslinks:



    https://www.unz.com/news/

    lewrockwell.com / RoatanBill • Science/Technology3d
    Self-Assembling Circuits in the Pfizer Jab? Watch the Video.
     
    Have you made an objection to Ron Unz?

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    That link was posted by RoatanBill, not by Ron Unz.

    • Thanks: utu
  458. Doubt this to be on anyone’s radar or real interest, but it compelled me to comment here early so I could vent.

    Foreign minister Mirzoyan just made statements yesterday all-but-conceding that Armenia is giving up control of Artsakh and its people to the warm embrace of the Azeri post-Soviet Entity. I don’t think it needs further elaboration that that conflict is essentially a canary in the coal-mine for the war’s ultimate outcome.

    I held back earlier at my level of shock and dismay on Feb 24, I did not think Russia was at all ready for this confrontation, obviously a real war would not just be Ukraine, but the entire West, but I didn’t want to be defeatist (I even wanted to make a Gerard-gesture of solidarity to Karlin but his naked power-worship, blithe unconcern for consequences and seethe in the comments was just too much).
    The war did not start well and only seems to be getting worse. American deep-state turned out to still be much more competent than I gave it credit for, Russia’s much worse.. its obvious that this war was years if not decades in the making. Ideally Russia could have simply disbainfully ignored Ukraine like Czechia did Slovakia after independence, but of course constant and escalating provocations made that impossible. Russia might have got Ukraine to finally shut up and negotiate in good faith after Crimea chose to leave, but then Strelkov had to get official backing for his cowboy adventure in Donbass… Kremlins somehow managed to get worst of both worlds by keeping a endless low-intensity insurgency, they should have either annexed West of the Dniepr while Ukraine was paralysed, kept Crimea whilst washing their hands of Ukraine forever, or used it as a negotiating chip… I can only conclude at this point Putin really doesn’t have any long-term strategy. Maybe if Yeltsin and his scum entourage didn’t decide to destroy Primakov after realising he was too popular and competent for their own good, things would have turned out better.

    Ukraine is now destroyed, Russia’s economy and international credibility is probably going to be similarly fucked, and it goes without saying relations between the two will be irreparable for at least decades to come.

    Fuck him, fuck Pashinyan for putting faith in the West, fuck Victoria Nuland for the Maidan coup, fuck Zelensky for his false installing false hope while deep-state armed the country for what must be millions, fuck Putin for being dumb and so malinformed enough to fall for such an obvious trap, fuck Karlin for cheerleading for this total fiasco (he openly states he’ll abandon Russia instantly if it loses here, like a rat from a sinking ship), fuck everything. Not a very articulate or worthwhile comment I’m sorry, but atm I’m just overwhelmed with disgust and foreboding. I guess China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien I honestly can’t really care.

    C’est pire qu’un crime, c’est une faute.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Yevardian

    Don’t be so dramatic.

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Yevardian


    Russia’s economy and international credibility is probably going to be similarly fucked, and it goes without saying relations between the two will be irreparable for at least decades to come.
     
    Russia will see a modest decline this year but then stabilise at that level only to slowly go back up. They have now thrown their hat into the ring with the Chinese, and China can provide a full-spectrum alternative to Russia on virtually any issue.

    Ukraine's future is much more gloomy. Even if Russia "only" settles for Donbass + a land corridor to Crimea, they will still be in economic ruin. It's unclear who will invest given how weak its future prospects are. And that's even ignoring the gigantic reconstruction costs, who will foot those? I wouldn't bet on the West. Russia is likely to only care for captured territory. How many decades before Russia finishes the job with the rest?

    I suspect a substantial amount of refugees won't go back even after the war ends despite relative safety, because the long-term economic prospects are terrible.


    fuck Karlin for cheerleading for this total fiasco (he openly states he’ll abandon Russia instantly if it loses here, like a rat from a sinking ship)
     
    I haven't seen this claim, but it wouldn't surprise me if what you say is accurate. Karlin's always been a "rootless cosmopolitan" at heart. Multiple citizenships, jumps from country to country with a 5-10 year timespan. First UK, then America and now Russia. I half-jokingly advised him to go to Tel-Aviv next.

    He jumps into new political ideologies even faster (first MAGA, then alt-right, then Russian Nationalism). So him saying he'd abandon Russia if things go south is expected. At root, he's an ethnically ambiguous person struggling to fit in anywhere with shaky loyalties to wherever he ends up being.

    But Russia won't lose, so his rat-fleeing-sinking-ship maneuver won't be needed just yet.

    , @songbird
    @Yevardian

    I'm confused about the CSTO. On paper, aren't the other members (leaves something still, even if Russia has its hands full) obligated to defend Armenia? Or does that just not apply to Artsakh?

    , @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    By the way, you will have to forgive me for writing "Tigar Khudaverdyan". But you have to admit sounds cooler than "Tigran".

    Armenian settlement in Karabakh has been de facto lost in November 2020.

    Aliev just accepted polite diplomatic solution, in which Azerbaijan surrounds Stepanakert from all sides and controls its only supply corridor.

    In military terms, Azerbaijan already owns all this land now, as if you fully surround a territory and control its only supply corridor, then you are de factor ruler of it.

    I think Armenia territory itself is safe in the military sense, but its threats are from the demographic and mass emigration. As fate has at least temporarily reversed this through sanctions against Russia, now Armenia becomes a destination of Russian immigration.


    China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien
     
    Who knows about China, but Chinese people individually will become less culturally alien, if China continues economic development. You can see when you meet Chinese people. Older Chinese, more culturally divergent, younger, wealthier Chinese, seem more "Westernized". People from Taiwan and Hong Kong similarly.

    Putin for being dumb
     
    I think killing of people, creating of refugees, is more of a condemnation, than "being dumb". In the end, he might not have any negative consequences personally, so it's not dumb necessarily from his selfish perspective. He might benefit, increase his position. Decision to invade Ukraine, might be viewed as "clever" (although not "wise", which implies a moral aspect), if his power increases after this war. But in Ukraine millions of people have negative consequences as result of February 24.
    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Yevardian


    I guess China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien I honestly can’t really care.
     
    Feel free to stick your head in the sand. There's even an idiom that perfectly describe hirsute idiots like you:

    The Conceited King of Yelang 夜郎自大

    In the Han Dynasty, there was a tiny country called Yelang on the southwestern border. Small though it was, its ruler was quite proud of his country, thinking it big and powerful. Once, a Han envoy visited Yelang. The ruler asked him: "Which is bigger, Han or Yelang?" His subjects obsequiously jumped to answer "Of course Yelang is bigger!"

    Later this idiom came to be used to refer to those who are capable of nothing yet are conceited.

     

    Let me teach you a history lesson-- the Turks are in West Asia due to Chinese internal politics:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_the_Tang_military

    2018 was the "Year of Turkey" in China.[48] A song created by Xiao Zhang called "I want to take you to romantic Turkey" became one of the most popular songs in China.[49][50]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China-Turkey_relations#Cultural_relations
  459. @German_reader
    @utu


    so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.
     
    You don't understand, the German government doesn't want to check or control who's coming, for ideological reasons (they're also incompetent).

    But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP.
     
    The part about Europe being flooded with Africans is likely to be correct, you don't have any real argument against it.
    I agree though that it's in effect pro-Russian propaganda to blame this on Ukrainian resistance to Russia's invasion, the issues aren't necessarily linked. If the political establishment in European countries wanted to stop non-European immigration, they could easily do so.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv – Lubyanka axis
     
    I generally think you're paranoid with your accusations, but I admit the thought has crossed my mind that A123 might be indeed be some kind of disinformation agent, given his peculiar views. Or maybe he's just an individual with especially bizarre views. I don't know.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    I generally think you’re paranoid with your accusations, but I admit the thought has crossed my mind that A123 might be indeed be some kind of disinformation agent, given his peculiar views. Or maybe he’s just an individual with especially bizarre views. I don’t know.

    I really think both of you are wasting headspace considering that handle, I blocked that thing a long time ago, I was even quite disappointed to see Our Benevolent Overlord himself interact with it. Doesn’t matter the topic, it will be some incoherent (can bots really string such things at this point?) mixture of gibberish about Biden, Iran, MAGA and Israel.

    I need to hear something optimistic re. either the West or Russia today.
    All I see in this regard now is crabs in a bucket, (now to violently mix metaphors) with barbarians pressing everywhere at the gates.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    I need to hear something optimistic re. either the West or Russia today.
     
    I think you can forget about that for the next 50 years at least, probably forever.
    I don't agree with you entirely about the causes of the war, but it is indeed a totally negative development. Ukraine destroyed and probably dismembered, globohomo ascendant in the West and relations between Westerners and Russians (not just their states, but at the level of the general populations) totally poisoned for decades. The war might eventually just end as a permanent stalemate or frozen conflict, with Russia annexing the Black sea coast and Donbass, and Western sanctions never being lifted. Terrible all around.

    Replies: @JL

  460. @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former’s growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that’s correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    I find that reasoning extremely unlikely. Just look at the timing. Prior to the invasion, Germany was just about to close the deal with Russia on Nord Stream 2. I suppose it would be a matter of a few months at most. America’s “provocations”, on the other hand, were a continuing process, dating back to 2008, perhaps even earlier than that. Recent developments did not add anything that increased the perceived threat to Russia in a big enough way as to justify radical measures. If America hoped to provoke an invasion at such a short notice, they must have been quite clairvoyant that Russia would not wait until after Nord Stream 2 was in full operation to consider military action in Ukraine. By invading before the deal on Nord Stream 2 was closed, it was as if Russia severed its ties with Europe by her own free will. I don’t know why she would do that, but sometimes countries act in stupid ways.
    You can focus on Ukraine’s stupidity all you want, but it’s irrelevant. Wasn’t Putin himself who said that Ukraine is not even a real country? Is any of the commenters to whom you are addressing this question even Ukrainian? I don’t know that, but the most vocal do not seem to be. Non-Ukrainians can claim they love Ukraine all they want, but they won’t convince me that they aren’t primarily concerned about their own welfare in their European Union democratic Putin-free comfort.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Brás Cubas

    The last paragraph is babbling and I take it back.

  461. AP says:
    @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    I’m on vacation with the family and other than checking the news will be mostly off line. Pending a more detailed response, I’ll say this: the Russian ultimatums were collectively similar to those made to Czechoslovakia, the Baltics and Finland prior to World War II the preceded the absorption of those countries by the ones making the ultimatums. They were a clear path to loss of statehood and full annexation as the next step. (recall the Putin has described Ukraine as a fake nation artificially separated from Russia).

    Ukrainians chose the Finnish path of fighting back. They believed (and most still do) that it was worth having a country despite the terrible price.

    Briefly:

    Demilitarisation- Ukraine is helpless

    Neutrality- No one can come to Ukraine’s aid when new demands or annexation comes into force

    Denazification- Russian code for purging Ukraine of patriots or nationalists

    Russian rights – Nice excuse for future intervention against a disarmed state for the sake of enforcing this condition

    Autonomy- veto power for pro-Russian regions over national policy. Goodbye EU association

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @AP

    What national pride? Is the Ukraine refusing to continue buying Russian gas and allowing Russian gas to flow through its territory to the EU even now during the war? Is it checking that any oil they are receiving may not be of Russian origin and refusing it? It's a funny kind of war as Russia is also allowing the Ukraine and its Western supporters to continue buying its gas, oil, and some other essentials.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Mikhail
    @AP


    I’m on vacation with the family and other than checking the news will be mostly off line. Pending a more detailed response, I’ll say this: the Russian ultimatums were collectively similar to those made to Czechoslovakia, the Baltics and Finland prior to World War II the preceded the absorption of those countries by the ones making the ultimatums. They were a clear path to loss of statehood and full annexation as the next step. (recall the Putin has described Ukraine as a fake nation artificially separated from Russia).

    Ukrainians chose the Finnish path of fighting back. They believed (and most still do) that it was worth having a country despite the terrible price.

    Briefly:

    Demilitarisation- Ukraine is helpless

    Neutrality- No one can come to Ukraine’s aid when new demands or annexation comes into force

    Denazification- Russian code for purging Ukraine of patriots or nationalists

    Russian rights – Nice excuse for future intervention against a disarmed state for the sake of enforcing this condition

    Autonomy- veto power for pro-Russian regions over national policy. Goodbye EU association

     

    At some point, Zelensky could be going on a vacation. Post-Soviet Russia isn't the USSR.

    Finland was offered a strategic land swap minus war. The Soviets ended up getting what they wanted. Soviet suspicion of Finland siding with Nazi Germany proved true. Thereafter, Finland did well in the post-WW II-Cold War period.

    Neo-Nazi influence in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine is a problematical reality for those opposed to this un-democratically bigoted scourge.

    Autonomy on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR would've served as a basis to protect those territories who understandably reject the svido slant.

    Post-Soviet Russia readily accepted a truly neutral Ukraine, with the svidos and neocons having a different agenda.

  462. @Mikhail
    @Ron Unz

    In time, a greater number of Ukrainians might begin questioning Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as someone who (under the influence of nationalists) further instigated and prolonged a conflict whose end result could've occurred on better terms for Ukraine, without the deaths, displacement and destruction resulting from Russia's military action.

    Replies: @AP

    Pro-Russians like this guy writing about Ukraine’s “best interests” remind me a lot of Jewish neocons prior to the Iraq war insisting that they really have the best interests of the Arabs at heart.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP


    Pro-Russians like this guy writing about Ukraine’s “best interests” remind me a lot of Jewish neocons prior to the Iraq war insisting that they really have the best interests of the Arabs at heart.
     
    Which "guy" - Unz me or someone else? As for the gist of what you say, how is it in Ukraine's best interests to have refused the non-war option that would've given a better result for it?

    Like neocons are truly concerned about Ukrainians. Neocons don't have the same concern for Arabs as do many Russians for the pro-Russian perspective on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR - recalling Bush I saying that Ukraine should be hesitant about suicidal nationalism and William Burns' prior cautioning of dangling NATO membership to Ukraine.

    Not everyone in Ukraine shares your slant.

    https://twitter.com/futurebrain1/status/1498738347518353410

    Also reminded when Kuzio said that Yanukovych was toast following the so-called "Orange Revolution".
  463. Allegedly those are the findings after RF forces were driven out from Kiev satellite town of Bucha:

    https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510005388950876168/photo/1

  464. @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn’t become part of NATO, wouldn’t have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let’s assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    In hindsight, shouldn’t the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Up to a point, but in retrospect I think the ongoing violent Donbass/Lunhansk insurgency made negotiations impossible. Even without the Ukrainian government being infested by the US State Department, no government still somewhat accountable to public opinion, or with any hope of foreign support (however ultimately malevolent), could make real concessions to Russia under such conditions. Earlier Russia had also been shortsighted in insisting on stupid gas-transit squabbles for years, a few ultimately minor concessions or symbolic magnanimous gestures, even if Ukraine was being difficult on purpose, could have gone a long way in convincing public opinion of real and ongoing benefits of economic integration with Russia over the EU.

    Even without Crimea I think Ukraines could have swallowed their pride, considering the strategic necessity of the Peninsula, and the complete lack of Ukrainian culture or population there, but the limbo ‘Peoples Republics’ spoiled everything. It would be asking too much of any country not completely on its knees and internationally ignored.

    The closest analogy that comes to mind now is Turkey and Cyprus, still barely talking decades later. Also instructive to compare that with Turkey’s quick and decisive annexation of ‘The Hatay Republic’ it snatched from Syria.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Yevardian

    The Russian Game, and I admit it’s a game is to seed these separatist groups and then grab a bit of land, bite and hold. It has its positive and negative outcomes as we have seen in Georgia, Chechnya and Ukraine. They may or may not seek to replicate this after the Ukraine case is settled.

  465. @nickels
    @Mikel

    Putin gave up:
    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1509976477097504774?cxt=HHwWjMC9ieLmwfQpAAAA

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    As I was listening to this without bothering to watch the video, and in light of recent developments, I actually thought this video was genuine, with a growing sense of unease and dismay (so much it surprised myself) until I looked at it near the end it, noticing a few audio hiccups, and realised it was a fake.
    But whoever wrote this dialogue did an excellent job, it contains exactly the sort of face-saving phrases Putin or any other leader in his place would say in his place, reminded me of Pashinyan’s ‘not a defeat’ speech in 2020 (building up to the ultimate loss of the war, getting his perfume stolen).

    • Replies: @nickels
    @Yevardian

    Yes - The story line was well done.
    I had PTSD flashbacks to Trump cucking over and over and over and over and over.

    Replies: @A123

  466. @utu
    @German_reader

    Ukrainian refugees who came to Germany have passports or some other travel documents proving entry to Poland, Slovakia, Hungary or Romania so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.

    I agree that there are fake passports that actually can be quite real in circulations but this is what various gangs that traffic people always were doing and in case of corrupt countries like Ukraine it is quite possible to buy passports that are pretty real. There were fake-real Lithuanian passports that were in circulation and people dealing in them were caught in Ukraine not so long ago.

    I have read that in Poland non-Ukrainians were put in detention like centers if they wanted to stay in Poland and had to go through a rigmarole of applications and paper work that lasts very long and does not offer high chance of success. But if they did not want to stay in Poland and had passports of their countries even if they come fromUkraine they were allowed to travel anywhere if they can get visa but Poland does not consider them as refugees because they have their countries to go back to unlike Ukrainians.

    Then there are Gypsies who do not look like Ukrainians but like people form outside of Europe but they can be legitimate citizens of Ukraine.

    Passports scams are plausible but the scale of phenomena is very small I think. But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP. Actually Ron Unz says pretty much the same that if Ukraine did not resist there would be no suffering. I wonder how he would respond to home invasion? How would he know that unresisted home invasion would not be followed with invasion of his body? Anyway, ZeroHedge, A123 and Ron Unz are selling us Russian disinformation. Unfortunately there are many idiots who buy it.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis but more specifically it is Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis of Chabad, Breitbart, ZeroHedge, Trump, MAGA and Qanonism. What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual, so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Mikel

    so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv – Lubyanka spiel.

    This is sort of what I sometimes think about Miles Mathis but the reality is far more likely:

    A. we are kind of paranoid;
    +
    B. it is a real person who by combination of factors is obsessed and has a lot of energy and most definitely doesn’t have a family to provide for and eat up all their prime time.

    Mathis’ family of origin appears to be decently well-off and he definitely does not have a real job. If this kind of bullshit is your hobby horse you can type out reams in forty hours a week. It is most definitely an advantage that it does not have to add up. That is an extremely tight constraint.

    Also Mathis’ piece on the Manson murders is quite fine; I am kind of amazed he could do that.

  467. @Yevardian
    Doubt this to be on anyone's radar or real interest, but it compelled me to comment here early so I could vent.

    Foreign minister Mirzoyan just made statements yesterday all-but-conceding that Armenia is giving up control of Artsakh and its people to the warm embrace of the Azeri post-Soviet Entity. I don't think it needs further elaboration that that conflict is essentially a canary in the coal-mine for the war's ultimate outcome.

    I held back earlier at my level of shock and dismay on Feb 24, I did not think Russia was at all ready for this confrontation, obviously a real war would not just be Ukraine, but the entire West, but I didn't want to be defeatist (I even wanted to make a Gerard-gesture of solidarity to Karlin but his naked power-worship, blithe unconcern for consequences and seethe in the comments was just too much).
    The war did not start well and only seems to be getting worse. American deep-state turned out to still be much more competent than I gave it credit for, Russia's much worse.. its obvious that this war was years if not decades in the making. Ideally Russia could have simply disbainfully ignored Ukraine like Czechia did Slovakia after independence, but of course constant and escalating provocations made that impossible. Russia might have got Ukraine to finally shut up and negotiate in good faith after Crimea chose to leave, but then Strelkov had to get official backing for his cowboy adventure in Donbass... Kremlins somehow managed to get worst of both worlds by keeping a endless low-intensity insurgency, they should have either annexed West of the Dniepr while Ukraine was paralysed, kept Crimea whilst washing their hands of Ukraine forever, or used it as a negotiating chip... I can only conclude at this point Putin really doesn't have any long-term strategy. Maybe if Yeltsin and his scum entourage didn't decide to destroy Primakov after realising he was too popular and competent for their own good, things would have turned out better.

    Ukraine is now destroyed, Russia's economy and international credibility is probably going to be similarly fucked, and it goes without saying relations between the two will be irreparable for at least decades to come.

    Fuck him, fuck Pashinyan for putting faith in the West, fuck Victoria Nuland for the Maidan coup, fuck Zelensky for his false installing false hope while deep-state armed the country for what must be millions, fuck Putin for being dumb and so malinformed enough to fall for such an obvious trap, fuck Karlin for cheerleading for this total fiasco (he openly states he'll abandon Russia instantly if it loses here, like a rat from a sinking ship), fuck everything. Not a very articulate or worthwhile comment I'm sorry, but atm I'm just overwhelmed with disgust and foreboding. I guess China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien I honestly can't really care.

    C'est pire qu'un crime, c'est une faute.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thulean Friend, @songbird, @Dmitry, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Don’t be so dramatic.

  468. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries)
     
    That problem hasn't been solved, and may well not be solvable...so it's lights out soon!
    Anyway, as I said, in some sense I'm looking forward to it, it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    Replies: @utu, @for-the-record, @A123

    I’m looking forward to it … when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    There is a historical resonance to this statement, but for the moment it eludes me.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @for-the-record


    There is a historical resonance to this statement, but for the moment it eludes me.
     
    First time tragedy, second time farce.
    If it were up to me, things would be different. But most of my countrymen are retard lemmings without a grip on reality. And the other Europeans aren't any better either. Europe's future is going to be extremely bleak, as a technologically and economically stagnating area under the thumb of the US or possibly the Chinese, and with population replacement on a scale that will render much of the continent unrecognizable within the lifetime of today's children. There aren't even the preconditions for having a sincere discussion about Europe's future, let alone working for a more positive (from my pov) version of it.
    , @Beckow
    @for-the-record


    There is a historical resonance to this statement, but for the moment it eludes me.
     
    Maybe: what goes up, will eventually come down. Europe has had a few good decades after Russia self-destructed and started to give its resources away cheaply; often effectively for free if we adjust for currency holdings and oligarchs' escaping wealth.

    After 2000 Putinism started to reverse it. The West hated it and accelerated the demonisation-overthrows-Maidans - it was always a longer-term alternative, but there was no rush, in the 90's things were going well. With Putin they realized they had to move fast and couldn't let the gravy train of cheap resources from Russia go away.

    By 2020 the reversal was almost in place, it was a question of time when the war starts. Now the dramatic split is out in the open. It is better that way; no pretense and fake promises.

    Without Russia's cheap abundant resources EU will be poorer and less industrial. It was also paid for with "virtual money" issued at will by the buyers - a very sweet deal. This couldn't go on indefinitely. Now for the consequences: inflation, shortages, deindustrialization covered up with "green" and "social" initiatives. It is a mirage, it will eventually adjust to the underlying material realities.

    That's why the West insists that Russia can't be allowed win - it is existential for both sides. There is an obvious risk in that. We are at beginning, this will be described as the phase before things really started to happen. It could all be avoided if EU had actual statesmen in power, people who could do deals and compromises (an obvious one was: "no NATO in Ukraine"). But it didn't, or maybe couldn't have, so we are where we are.

    When the dust settles Europe will be poorer, angrier and a bit if a backwater. Russia will be fuming for decades and jealously guard its resources. Ukraine will be smaller, even poorer, depopulated, forever spinning stories about "we were just going to Europe" and Zelensky was a "peacemaker" - see, we voted for peace, so why is all this happening to us?

  469. @Yevardian
    @Ron Unz


    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn’t become part of NATO, wouldn’t have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let’s assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    In hindsight, shouldn’t the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?
     

    Up to a point, but in retrospect I think the ongoing violent Donbass/Lunhansk insurgency made negotiations impossible. Even without the Ukrainian government being infested by the US State Department, no government still somewhat accountable to public opinion, or with any hope of foreign support (however ultimately malevolent), could make real concessions to Russia under such conditions. Earlier Russia had also been shortsighted in insisting on stupid gas-transit squabbles for years, a few ultimately minor concessions or symbolic magnanimous gestures, even if Ukraine was being difficult on purpose, could have gone a long way in convincing public opinion of real and ongoing benefits of economic integration with Russia over the EU.

    Even without Crimea I think Ukraines could have swallowed their pride, considering the strategic necessity of the Peninsula, and the complete lack of Ukrainian culture or population there, but the limbo 'Peoples Republics' spoiled everything. It would be asking too much of any country not completely on its knees and internationally ignored.

    The closest analogy that comes to mind now is Turkey and Cyprus, still barely talking decades later. Also instructive to compare that with Turkey's quick and decisive annexation of 'The Hatay Republic' it snatched from Syria.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Russian Game, and I admit it’s a game is to seed these separatist groups and then grab a bit of land, bite and hold. It has its positive and negative outcomes as we have seen in Georgia, Chechnya and Ukraine. They may or may not seek to replicate this after the Ukraine case is settled.

  470. @AP
    @Ron Unz

    I’m on vacation with the family and other than checking the news will be mostly off line. Pending a more detailed response, I’ll say this: the Russian ultimatums were collectively similar to those made to Czechoslovakia, the Baltics and Finland prior to World War II the preceded the absorption of those countries by the ones making the ultimatums. They were a clear path to loss of statehood and full annexation as the next step. (recall the Putin has described Ukraine as a fake nation artificially separated from Russia).

    Ukrainians chose the Finnish path of fighting back. They believed (and most still do) that it was worth having a country despite the terrible price.

    Briefly:

    Demilitarisation- Ukraine is helpless

    Neutrality- No one can come to Ukraine’s aid when new demands or annexation comes into force

    Denazification- Russian code for purging Ukraine of patriots or nationalists

    Russian rights - Nice excuse for future intervention against a disarmed state for the sake of enforcing this condition

    Autonomy- veto power for pro-Russian regions over national policy. Goodbye EU association

    Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Mikhail

    What national pride? Is the Ukraine refusing to continue buying Russian gas and allowing Russian gas to flow through its territory to the EU even now during the war? Is it checking that any oil they are receiving may not be of Russian origin and refusing it? It’s a funny kind of war as Russia is also allowing the Ukraine and its Western supporters to continue buying its gas, oil, and some other essentials.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Commentator Mike

    The energy pipelines really are quite an extraordinary topic. Also why does Kiev have electricity if there was an intent to capture it? Water and Electricity ought to have been targets first day. Could have always blamed that on self sabotage.

  471. @Yevardian
    Doubt this to be on anyone's radar or real interest, but it compelled me to comment here early so I could vent.

    Foreign minister Mirzoyan just made statements yesterday all-but-conceding that Armenia is giving up control of Artsakh and its people to the warm embrace of the Azeri post-Soviet Entity. I don't think it needs further elaboration that that conflict is essentially a canary in the coal-mine for the war's ultimate outcome.

    I held back earlier at my level of shock and dismay on Feb 24, I did not think Russia was at all ready for this confrontation, obviously a real war would not just be Ukraine, but the entire West, but I didn't want to be defeatist (I even wanted to make a Gerard-gesture of solidarity to Karlin but his naked power-worship, blithe unconcern for consequences and seethe in the comments was just too much).
    The war did not start well and only seems to be getting worse. American deep-state turned out to still be much more competent than I gave it credit for, Russia's much worse.. its obvious that this war was years if not decades in the making. Ideally Russia could have simply disbainfully ignored Ukraine like Czechia did Slovakia after independence, but of course constant and escalating provocations made that impossible. Russia might have got Ukraine to finally shut up and negotiate in good faith after Crimea chose to leave, but then Strelkov had to get official backing for his cowboy adventure in Donbass... Kremlins somehow managed to get worst of both worlds by keeping a endless low-intensity insurgency, they should have either annexed West of the Dniepr while Ukraine was paralysed, kept Crimea whilst washing their hands of Ukraine forever, or used it as a negotiating chip... I can only conclude at this point Putin really doesn't have any long-term strategy. Maybe if Yeltsin and his scum entourage didn't decide to destroy Primakov after realising he was too popular and competent for their own good, things would have turned out better.

    Ukraine is now destroyed, Russia's economy and international credibility is probably going to be similarly fucked, and it goes without saying relations between the two will be irreparable for at least decades to come.

    Fuck him, fuck Pashinyan for putting faith in the West, fuck Victoria Nuland for the Maidan coup, fuck Zelensky for his false installing false hope while deep-state armed the country for what must be millions, fuck Putin for being dumb and so malinformed enough to fall for such an obvious trap, fuck Karlin for cheerleading for this total fiasco (he openly states he'll abandon Russia instantly if it loses here, like a rat from a sinking ship), fuck everything. Not a very articulate or worthwhile comment I'm sorry, but atm I'm just overwhelmed with disgust and foreboding. I guess China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien I honestly can't really care.

    C'est pire qu'un crime, c'est une faute.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thulean Friend, @songbird, @Dmitry, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Russia’s economy and international credibility is probably going to be similarly fucked, and it goes without saying relations between the two will be irreparable for at least decades to come.

    Russia will see a modest decline this year but then stabilise at that level only to slowly go back up. They have now thrown their hat into the ring with the Chinese, and China can provide a full-spectrum alternative to Russia on virtually any issue.

    Ukraine’s future is much more gloomy. Even if Russia “only” settles for Donbass + a land corridor to Crimea, they will still be in economic ruin. It’s unclear who will invest given how weak its future prospects are. And that’s even ignoring the gigantic reconstruction costs, who will foot those? I wouldn’t bet on the West. Russia is likely to only care for captured territory. How many decades before Russia finishes the job with the rest?

    I suspect a substantial amount of refugees won’t go back even after the war ends despite relative safety, because the long-term economic prospects are terrible.

    fuck Karlin for cheerleading for this total fiasco (he openly states he’ll abandon Russia instantly if it loses here, like a rat from a sinking ship)

    I haven’t seen this claim, but it wouldn’t surprise me if what you say is accurate. Karlin’s always been a “rootless cosmopolitan” at heart. Multiple citizenships, jumps from country to country with a 5-10 year timespan. First UK, then America and now Russia. I half-jokingly advised him to go to Tel-Aviv next.

    He jumps into new political ideologies even faster (first MAGA, then alt-right, then Russian Nationalism). So him saying he’d abandon Russia if things go south is expected. At root, he’s an ethnically ambiguous person struggling to fit in anywhere with shaky loyalties to wherever he ends up being.

    But Russia won’t lose, so his rat-fleeing-sinking-ship maneuver won’t be needed just yet.

  472. @Commentator Mike
    @AP

    What national pride? Is the Ukraine refusing to continue buying Russian gas and allowing Russian gas to flow through its territory to the EU even now during the war? Is it checking that any oil they are receiving may not be of Russian origin and refusing it? It's a funny kind of war as Russia is also allowing the Ukraine and its Western supporters to continue buying its gas, oil, and some other essentials.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The energy pipelines really are quite an extraordinary topic. Also why does Kiev have electricity if there was an intent to capture it? Water and Electricity ought to have been targets first day. Could have always blamed that on self sabotage.

  473. @Yevardian
    Doubt this to be on anyone's radar or real interest, but it compelled me to comment here early so I could vent.

    Foreign minister Mirzoyan just made statements yesterday all-but-conceding that Armenia is giving up control of Artsakh and its people to the warm embrace of the Azeri post-Soviet Entity. I don't think it needs further elaboration that that conflict is essentially a canary in the coal-mine for the war's ultimate outcome.

    I held back earlier at my level of shock and dismay on Feb 24, I did not think Russia was at all ready for this confrontation, obviously a real war would not just be Ukraine, but the entire West, but I didn't want to be defeatist (I even wanted to make a Gerard-gesture of solidarity to Karlin but his naked power-worship, blithe unconcern for consequences and seethe in the comments was just too much).
    The war did not start well and only seems to be getting worse. American deep-state turned out to still be much more competent than I gave it credit for, Russia's much worse.. its obvious that this war was years if not decades in the making. Ideally Russia could have simply disbainfully ignored Ukraine like Czechia did Slovakia after independence, but of course constant and escalating provocations made that impossible. Russia might have got Ukraine to finally shut up and negotiate in good faith after Crimea chose to leave, but then Strelkov had to get official backing for his cowboy adventure in Donbass... Kremlins somehow managed to get worst of both worlds by keeping a endless low-intensity insurgency, they should have either annexed West of the Dniepr while Ukraine was paralysed, kept Crimea whilst washing their hands of Ukraine forever, or used it as a negotiating chip... I can only conclude at this point Putin really doesn't have any long-term strategy. Maybe if Yeltsin and his scum entourage didn't decide to destroy Primakov after realising he was too popular and competent for their own good, things would have turned out better.

    Ukraine is now destroyed, Russia's economy and international credibility is probably going to be similarly fucked, and it goes without saying relations between the two will be irreparable for at least decades to come.

    Fuck him, fuck Pashinyan for putting faith in the West, fuck Victoria Nuland for the Maidan coup, fuck Zelensky for his false installing false hope while deep-state armed the country for what must be millions, fuck Putin for being dumb and so malinformed enough to fall for such an obvious trap, fuck Karlin for cheerleading for this total fiasco (he openly states he'll abandon Russia instantly if it loses here, like a rat from a sinking ship), fuck everything. Not a very articulate or worthwhile comment I'm sorry, but atm I'm just overwhelmed with disgust and foreboding. I guess China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien I honestly can't really care.

    C'est pire qu'un crime, c'est une faute.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thulean Friend, @songbird, @Dmitry, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I’m confused about the CSTO. On paper, aren’t the other members (leaves something still, even if Russia has its hands full) obligated to defend Armenia? Or does that just not apply to Artsakh?

  474. A123 says: • Website
    @utu
    @German_reader

    Ukrainian refugees who came to Germany have passports or some other travel documents proving entry to Poland, Slovakia, Hungary or Romania so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.

    I agree that there are fake passports that actually can be quite real in circulations but this is what various gangs that traffic people always were doing and in case of corrupt countries like Ukraine it is quite possible to buy passports that are pretty real. There were fake-real Lithuanian passports that were in circulation and people dealing in them were caught in Ukraine not so long ago.

    I have read that in Poland non-Ukrainians were put in detention like centers if they wanted to stay in Poland and had to go through a rigmarole of applications and paper work that lasts very long and does not offer high chance of success. But if they did not want to stay in Poland and had passports of their countries even if they come fromUkraine they were allowed to travel anywhere if they can get visa but Poland does not consider them as refugees because they have their countries to go back to unlike Ukrainians.

    Then there are Gypsies who do not look like Ukrainians but like people form outside of Europe but they can be legitimate citizens of Ukraine.

    Passports scams are plausible but the scale of phenomena is very small I think. But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP. Actually Ron Unz says pretty much the same that if Ukraine did not resist there would be no suffering. I wonder how he would respond to home invasion? How would he know that unresisted home invasion would not be followed with invasion of his body? Anyway, ZeroHedge, A123 and Ron Unz are selling us Russian disinformation. Unfortunately there are many idiots who buy it.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis but more specifically it is Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis of Chabad, Breitbart, ZeroHedge, Trump, MAGA and Qanonism. What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual, so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Mikel

    What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual.

    I appreciate the complement. I have lots of knowledge, and can usually provide a confirming link or two fairly quickly.

    To the extent that a limited amount of bad data slips through. My apologies.

    so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv – Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed

    I sleep for much less than the typical 8 hours per day and sometimes have to coordinate with international colleagues. My posting timing is unusual, but not evidence of an AI or team.

    What organizer would fund a team to or AI to expose George IslamoSoros as a Muslim?

    I wish that type of support for the TRUTH existed. Sadly, it does not.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @iffen
    @A123

    This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual.

    Or a mediocre Israeli propaganda bot.

  475. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    I generally think you’re paranoid with your accusations, but I admit the thought has crossed my mind that A123 might be indeed be some kind of disinformation agent, given his peculiar views. Or maybe he’s just an individual with especially bizarre views. I don’t know.
     
    I really think both of you are wasting headspace considering that handle, I blocked that thing a long time ago, I was even quite disappointed to see Our Benevolent Overlord himself interact with it. Doesn't matter the topic, it will be some incoherent (can bots really string such things at this point?) mixture of gibberish about Biden, Iran, MAGA and Israel.

    I need to hear something optimistic re. either the West or Russia today.
    All I see in this regard now is crabs in a bucket, (now to violently mix metaphors) with barbarians pressing everywhere at the gates.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I need to hear something optimistic re. either the West or Russia today.

    I think you can forget about that for the next 50 years at least, probably forever.
    I don’t agree with you entirely about the causes of the war, but it is indeed a totally negative development. Ukraine destroyed and probably dismembered, globohomo ascendant in the West and relations between Westerners and Russians (not just their states, but at the level of the general populations) totally poisoned for decades. The war might eventually just end as a permanent stalemate or frozen conflict, with Russia annexing the Black sea coast and Donbass, and Western sanctions never being lifted. Terrible all around.

    • Replies: @JL
    @German_reader

    You talk about the hopelessness of Germany and the rest of Europe, yet lament that relations between Westerners and Russians are poisoned for decades. For a lot of Russians, the divorce is welcome. The divergence in cultural norms and sociopolitical trends has been ongoing for quite some time, it's clear there simply is no compatibility. Trade will exist, but be limited, and Russians will no longer look West with admiration. That's a good thing, there's not much to admire anymore besides beautiful architecture and a storied history.

  476. @songbird
    @Mikel

    Oh, I see April Fool's. Well, I am embarrassed. Would have got it, but I mistakenly thought of it as being nearly purely American. Though I can see AK's style in it now, I originally thought I perceived something else.

    I'm pretty surprised to find that they celebrate the day in Ukraine, since at least the early 1970s, and it is a holiday, by coincidence in Odessa. Come to think of it, compared to some of the other holidays we have, it might not be bad if it was federally recognized in the US.

    Replies: @Mikel

    LOL. Good catch.

    Good to see that he still preserves some sense of humor. He has lately been channeling an irate personality that I didn’t recognize in him. I guess embracing stuff like triune cosmism and making it an important part of your identity comes with such consequences.

    • Agree: songbird
  477. German_reader says:
    @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    I’m looking forward to it ... when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    There is a historical resonance to this statement, but for the moment it eludes me.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    There is a historical resonance to this statement, but for the moment it eludes me.

    First time tragedy, second time farce.
    If it were up to me, things would be different. But most of my countrymen are retard lemmings without a grip on reality. And the other Europeans aren’t any better either. Europe’s future is going to be extremely bleak, as a technologically and economically stagnating area under the thumb of the US or possibly the Chinese, and with population replacement on a scale that will render much of the continent unrecognizable within the lifetime of today’s children. There aren’t even the preconditions for having a sincere discussion about Europe’s future, let alone working for a more positive (from my pov) version of it.

  478. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @utu


    fake Ukrainians, passports and so on.
     
    Scale of the problem may be exaggerated (or not, who knows), but why do you think that's implausible? Germany's minister of the interior, a fanatical "antifascist", is ruling out any attempts to register Ukrainian refugees (or "refugees") at the border, of course this will be exploited by migrants who've got nothing to do with Ukraine (or who've managed to acquire fake Ukrainian papers).
    This is from a fairly mainstream media publication:
    https://www.merkur.de/lokales/garmisch-partenkirchen/garmisch-partenkirchen-ort28711/news-ukraine-krieg-gap-fluechtlinge-ankunft-bayern-garmisch-unterbringung-hotel-frauen-busse-91399748.html
    Hotel in Bavaria wants to house Ukrainian refugees...most turn out to be African and Asian "students", who are unable to speak Russian or Ukrainian, and only broken English (lol).
    Where A123 is drifting into absurd conspiracy theory territory is his claim that "WEF elites" have manufactured the present war for this purpose, which I suppose is meant to absolve Putin from his responsibility for this war.

    Replies: @utu, @A123

    Where A123 is drifting into absurd conspiracy theory territory is his claim that “WEF elites” have manufactured the present war for this purpose

    Everybody keeps blaming America (directly) or “The West” (which is a coded way of saying America). The U.S. has an illegitimate President and is currently consumed by its own internal issues. It could not generate this problem.

    Announcing the desire to point nukes at Russia… Why would any Ukrainian official think they could get away with that? (1)

    Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany Andriy Melnik said the country is considering all its options.

    He said: “Ukraine has no other choice – either we are part of an alliance such as NATO and are doing our part to make this Europe stronger, or we have the only option – to arm by ourselves and maybe think about nuclear status again.

    Who gave Ukraine false hopes of EU membership and other fantasies? Who lured (possibly manipulated) Zelensky’s administration into provoking Putin with insanity like this?

    Europeans. Specifically, the dominant “authoritarian left” politicians of Brussels and Berlin. These actors serve Elite needs, not the populace that supposedly elected them. WEF Elites is thus useful shorthand. It points out the problem in a compact and useful way. European WEF Elites is sometimes better when people insist of trying to shift blame onto America.

    The problem with Europe is Europe, not America.

    I believe that you have cast a critical eye on both German and EU governance. When you are not lobbing inflammatory Troll phrases like “precious Trump” you seem to have a rational mind;

    Consider “Means, Motive, and Opportunity”:

    — How hard would it be to subvert a fragile democracy like Ukraine’s?
    — Do you really that European Open Borders “True Belivers” would not create a war to serve their extremist multicultural dogma?
    — What faction wins from an unnecessary Ukraine/Russia War?

    What I am suggesting is not particularly conspiratorial.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) From 2021 — https://www.the-sun.com/news/2713463/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-russia-putin-2/

  479. @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    I’m looking forward to it ... when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    There is a historical resonance to this statement, but for the moment it eludes me.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    There is a historical resonance to this statement, but for the moment it eludes me.

    Maybe: what goes up, will eventually come down. Europe has had a few good decades after Russia self-destructed and started to give its resources away cheaply; often effectively for free if we adjust for currency holdings and oligarchs’ escaping wealth.

    After 2000 Putinism started to reverse it. The West hated it and accelerated the demonisation-overthrows-Maidans – it was always a longer-term alternative, but there was no rush, in the 90’s things were going well. With Putin they realized they had to move fast and couldn’t let the gravy train of cheap resources from Russia go away.

    By 2020 the reversal was almost in place, it was a question of time when the war starts. Now the dramatic split is out in the open. It is better that way; no pretense and fake promises.

    Without Russia’s cheap abundant resources EU will be poorer and less industrial. It was also paid for with “virtual money” issued at will by the buyers – a very sweet deal. This couldn’t go on indefinitely. Now for the consequences: inflation, shortages, deindustrialization covered up with “green” and “social” initiatives. It is a mirage, it will eventually adjust to the underlying material realities.

    That’s why the West insists that Russia can’t be allowed win – it is existential for both sides. There is an obvious risk in that. We are at beginning, this will be described as the phase before things really started to happen. It could all be avoided if EU had actual statesmen in power, people who could do deals and compromises (an obvious one was: “no NATO in Ukraine”). But it didn’t, or maybe couldn’t have, so we are where we are.

    When the dust settles Europe will be poorer, angrier and a bit if a backwater. Russia will be fuming for decades and jealously guard its resources. Ukraine will be smaller, even poorer, depopulated, forever spinning stories about “we were just going to Europe” and Zelensky was a “peacemaker” – see, we voted for peace, so why is all this happening to us?

  480. @Brás Cubas
    @Ron Unz


    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former’s growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that’s correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.
     
    I find that reasoning extremely unlikely. Just look at the timing. Prior to the invasion, Germany was just about to close the deal with Russia on Nord Stream 2. I suppose it would be a matter of a few months at most. America's "provocations", on the other hand, were a continuing process, dating back to 2008, perhaps even earlier than that. Recent developments did not add anything that increased the perceived threat to Russia in a big enough way as to justify radical measures. If America hoped to provoke an invasion at such a short notice, they must have been quite clairvoyant that Russia would not wait until after Nord Stream 2 was in full operation to consider military action in Ukraine. By invading before the deal on Nord Stream 2 was closed, it was as if Russia severed its ties with Europe by her own free will. I don't know why she would do that, but sometimes countries act in stupid ways.
    You can focus on Ukraine's stupidity all you want, but it's irrelevant. Wasn't Putin himself who said that Ukraine is not even a real country? Is any of the commenters to whom you are addressing this question even Ukrainian? I don't know that, but the most vocal do not seem to be. Non-Ukrainians can claim they love Ukraine all they want, but they won't convince me that they aren't primarily concerned about their own welfare in their European Union democratic Putin-free comfort.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    The last paragraph is babbling and I take it back.

  481. Nuclear based Musk is trying to knock some common sense into Germany’s current establishment&general public too:

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    They're not going to do it, they're ideological maniacs, and shutting down nuclear power was one of the major successes of the Greens and their sympathizers in the media. They worked for it for 30 years, reversing it would be highly embarrassing.

    Replies: @sudden death

  482. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    Nuclear based Musk is trying to knock some common sense into Germany's current establishment&general public too:

    https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/102/624/455/original/8e5cc737f2915792.png

    Replies: @German_reader

    They’re not going to do it, they’re ideological maniacs, and shutting down nuclear power was one of the major successes of the Greens and their sympathizers in the media. They worked for it for 30 years, reversing it would be highly embarrassing.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    imho, restarting closed ones is indeed a pipe dream, but "temporary" prolonging those three remaining active ones could be somewhat more realistic compromise option even for Greens, especially when the real threat of natgas embargo by RF is still looming.

  483. @Yellowface Anon
    It'd be ironically funny if the US or EU gradually builds up a command economy after sanctioning much of the world's production and finance. Even when they have IoT I doubt their ability when enough people are exiting. Morbidly so if political establishments scale up domestic financial exclusion to the half of the political spectrum they don't like (and I'm not just talking about Liberals). No one is on moral upper ground now.

    Economic war was waged on countries they were warring with (fair game) or socialist countries (which ideologically don't require heavy foreign trade to survive). Russia wants to be capitalist and it's the first time a genuinely capitalist economy has been sanctioned to such an extent. They're now crossing the Rubicon of dismantling capitalism from within.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    Maybe this is a case where the best is the enemy of the good. By trying to build a perfectly liberal world, the US may end up destroying liberalism altogether.
    P.S.: What’s IoT? Internet of Things?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Brás Cubas

    Ironic. But that'll be post-liberal, from the non-neoreactionary side of the equation. Every path we will walk on necessarily abandon some or all tenets of the full liberal political thought (whether classical or even the post-60s pre-woke one). They might even abandon the Liberal label and take on a more accurate moniker for their new ideology (could be socialism).

    PS, Yes. Easy enough to track, aggregate and micromanage production and consumption with this, coupled with CBDC and UBI (perhaps some co-opting of cryptos too) on the fiscal-financial front.

  484. Did Reiner Tor underestimate Orbán?

  485. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    They're not going to do it, they're ideological maniacs, and shutting down nuclear power was one of the major successes of the Greens and their sympathizers in the media. They worked for it for 30 years, reversing it would be highly embarrassing.

    Replies: @sudden death

    imho, restarting closed ones is indeed a pipe dream, but “temporary” prolonging those three remaining active ones could be somewhat more realistic compromise option even for Greens, especially when the real threat of natgas embargo by RF is still looming.

  486. It seems that the Russians are retreating to the Donbas, where they will dig in, and be difficult to dislodge without the Ukrainians receiving a lot more heavy weaponry from the West.

    This will be done, but, with training needed, it might take a while to have an effect.

    In the meantime, Ukraine should overthrow Lukashenko. It would not be an easy operation. The methods used would need to be subtle, but it is clear that his regime is extremely vulnerable to Belarusians crossing back from defending Ukraine to kick him out.

    In this way, Russia will be fixed in place, desperately defending their occupation in Donbas, both from an insurgency within, and the Ukrainians without, meanwhile Putin loses Belarus from his orbit.

    Just as South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh and other locations are already imperilled.

    Russia seems to now be operating on the assumption that they can pick the areas for confrontation, but that is just lazy, cowardly thinking. Their retreat is from weakness and Ukraine has many more options and levers to pull.*

    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.

    *I can list the many other levers, but let’s not ruin too much of the surprise.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Triteleia Laxa

    We should be honored that even Victoria Nuland is posting here ;)

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Russians are pushing across the Donets from Izyum and Terny. City which was wiped out in the shelling. The Ukrainians are putting paratroopers in the way as best they can on the flank. Missile attacks now at every power, electronic fuel and transit node connecting Dnipro and Slovyansk.

    , @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ....Ukraine should overthrow Lukashenko.
     
    Riiight. Why stop there? Ukraine should overthrow Kazakhstan, China, Armenia, Iran - and, as a small side-project, also Russia.

    The pro-Kiev Donbas insurgents you mentioned just met on a Prague bench to plot. They were subtle and even let an old lady sit there, although it wasn't a big bench.

    The levers are in motion...next, a coffee break and then storming Kremlin.

    , @Yevardian
    @Triteleia Laxa


    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.
     
    This can be argued from a short-term humanitarian perspective, but this is not how any state operates anywhere. It makes no sense on other level, Russia will remain sanctioned anyway, consequences for political stability both internally and immediately abroad would be catastrophic, logic of war leaves literally no choice but to finish what it started. Do you think any country ever has gained anything from 'admitting its mistakes'? International relations are not comparable to personal ones, admission of any guilt only shows (quickly exploited) weakness, a more real analogue is the mafia.

    Point about overthrowing Lukashenko is too unbelievably stupid to bother addressing. Russia will still win in Ukraine through virtue of scale, all these recent setbacks simply mean the war will bloodily drag on for many more months, which I can't see being in Ukraine's interests, or anyone else's, except China or the US.

    Replies: @LatW, @216

  487. @Triteleia Laxa
    It seems that the Russians are retreating to the Donbas, where they will dig in, and be difficult to dislodge without the Ukrainians receiving a lot more heavy weaponry from the West.

    This will be done, but, with training needed, it might take a while to have an effect.

    In the meantime, Ukraine should overthrow Lukashenko. It would not be an easy operation. The methods used would need to be subtle, but it is clear that his regime is extremely vulnerable to Belarusians crossing back from defending Ukraine to kick him out.

    In this way, Russia will be fixed in place, desperately defending their occupation in Donbas, both from an insurgency within, and the Ukrainians without, meanwhile Putin loses Belarus from his orbit.

    Just as South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh and other locations are already imperilled.

    Russia seems to now be operating on the assumption that they can pick the areas for confrontation, but that is just lazy, cowardly thinking. Their retreat is from weakness and Ukraine has many more options and levers to pull.*

    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.

    *I can list the many other levers, but let's not ruin too much of the surprise.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Yevardian

    We should be honored that even Victoria Nuland is posting here 😉

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @sudden death

    Zhirik, Victoria Nuland, Putin and Xi all loyal readers of Karlin's blog, even after he left in pique.. very impressive.

  488. JL says:
    @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    I need to hear something optimistic re. either the West or Russia today.
     
    I think you can forget about that for the next 50 years at least, probably forever.
    I don't agree with you entirely about the causes of the war, but it is indeed a totally negative development. Ukraine destroyed and probably dismembered, globohomo ascendant in the West and relations between Westerners and Russians (not just their states, but at the level of the general populations) totally poisoned for decades. The war might eventually just end as a permanent stalemate or frozen conflict, with Russia annexing the Black sea coast and Donbass, and Western sanctions never being lifted. Terrible all around.

    Replies: @JL

    You talk about the hopelessness of Germany and the rest of Europe, yet lament that relations between Westerners and Russians are poisoned for decades. For a lot of Russians, the divorce is welcome. The divergence in cultural norms and sociopolitical trends has been ongoing for quite some time, it’s clear there simply is no compatibility. Trade will exist, but be limited, and Russians will no longer look West with admiration. That’s a good thing, there’s not much to admire anymore besides beautiful architecture and a storied history.

  489. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Therefore, the addition of storage will be required in the future (probably large batteries)
     
    That problem hasn't been solved, and may well not be solvable...so it's lights out soon!
    Anyway, as I said, in some sense I'm looking forward to it, it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    Replies: @utu, @for-the-record, @A123

    it will be really funny when Germany becomes a failed economy and drags the rest of this worthless continent down with it.

    There are enough European Christians to create another outcome. The EU ends. Christian Europe builds a metaphorical, and in some cases physical, wall around Germany & Sweden to end the threat they pose to the rest of Europe.

    Impediments to European success include the disastrous EUR currency, austerity economics, and predatory German firms (banking and goods exporters). A Europe without Germany is primed to be economically and culturally successful.
    ____

    Sad for ordinary Germans, rather than funny. However, actions have consequences. 80%+ of German citizens vote for parties bent on destroying the German people. Its a multi party system. AfD is available now. If their history is too tainted, a new party could form. Yet, advancement towards inevitable suicide continues.

    I genuinely do not understand. Is there a previously undiscovered HBD factor? In multiple rounds of emigration, has the genetic capability to resist central authority been lost?

    PEACE 😇

  490. https://www.intellinews.com/moscow-blog-first-steps-towards-peace-in-ukraine-but-not-there-yet-239778/?source=blogs

    Actually think this is quite accurate, if Mariupol is cleared next week and the Donbass front starts crumbling I think a deal is quite likely. Despite the hysteria this has been a limited operation with clearly limited goals.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LondonBob

    If you look at population concentrations in Ukraine, it appears that virtually no one lived north of Hostomel. It’s an irradiated zone near Chernobyl and empty of people all the way down to around the airport.

    We talk about the failure of capturing major cities but there’s one called Nova Kakhovka. Heard about that? 45,000 population bridge over the Dneiper. Hydroelectric dam. Berdyansk, that place the Ukrainians sank a landing ship. It’s a major deep water port, decent size population. Melitopol…nothing there right? 50,000 people It’s the junction of every road in the region and has water.

    The area north west of Kiev had an airport. That’s about it. The Russians smashed up the light industrial area in the northwest of Kiev which services Hostomel. The Wehrmacht did an airbonre assault on the airfields in Holland. It was a disaster but it did force the Dutch Royals to surrender. What the Russians did in Hostomel didn’t work out but that’s the nature of a parachute airborne operation.

  491. @AP
    @Mikhail

    Pro-Russians like this guy writing about Ukraine’s “best interests” remind me a lot of Jewish neocons prior to the Iraq war insisting that they really have the best interests of the Arabs at heart.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Pro-Russians like this guy writing about Ukraine’s “best interests” remind me a lot of Jewish neocons prior to the Iraq war insisting that they really have the best interests of the Arabs at heart.

    Which “guy” – Unz me or someone else? As for the gist of what you say, how is it in Ukraine’s best interests to have refused the non-war option that would’ve given a better result for it?

    Like neocons are truly concerned about Ukrainians. Neocons don’t have the same concern for Arabs as do many Russians for the pro-Russian perspective on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR – recalling Bush I saying that Ukraine should be hesitant about suicidal nationalism and William Burns’ prior cautioning of dangling NATO membership to Ukraine.

    Not everyone in Ukraine shares your slant.

    Also reminded when Kuzio said that Yanukovych was toast following the so-called “Orange Revolution”.

  492. @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    Good questions! I’ll try to answer them the best that I can.

    the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn’t become part of NATO,

    If Ukraine had become a part of NATO sooner than later, it wouldn’t be involved in this war today. For most of its history since independence (1991 – 2014) it never fully pursued NATO membership. Most of Ukraine’s citizenry was opposed to NATO membership, and thus because NATO had no desire to be involved with a country which held itself with a low approval rating. Obviously, things changed after 201 4, and Russia opened a pandoras box within Ukraine for its desire to gain entrance in this organization. Some at this blog have suggested that Ukraine had already, by that time, lost its window of opportunity.

    wouldn’t have a strong military,

    Well, we all can see how foolish that notion has become? Without a strong military Ukraine would have ceased to exist as independent state after a three day cakewalk by Russia to Kyiv. We wouldn’t be having this discussion today.

    would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements,

    This is a difficult and sticky problem for Ukraine to address. On the one hand, it couldn’t just let the Donbas wither away, as it practically has in regards to Crimea, for this would set another bad precedent for trying to keep its large state in one unified whole. Also, there’s the fact that unlike Crimea, this area had a majority of Ukrainians living within, today and historically. On the other hand, keeping it within Ukraine with its mostly Russified Ukrainian inhabitants would have always played to Russia’s hand and would have prevented Ukraine’s western EU aspirations. This is a hard nut to crack, and I admit that it’s probably above my pay grade to unravel.

    plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language.

    Here’s one area that Ukrainian officials probably acted too hastily, and could have come up with something more pragmatic and balanced to address the language situation in the greatly Russified Eastern area, especially within Donbas. Actually, if I’m not mistaken, the new language policy that was promulgated on the heels of Yanukovych’s departure in 2014 was one of the main reasons that the separatists gave for trying to secede from Ukraine. The reality was that the new language policy favoring the Ukrainian language never really took hold, and the locals never really felt any discriminatory backlash for continuing to use the Russian language. So, in effect the new law had no real effect other than to be used as a pretext for separation. For the few provinces that were heavilu Russified, a more balanced approach would have worked better, and allowed the “Easterners” to continue to use the language that they were most comfortable speaking. Ukrainian could have been implemented more slowly, especially within the school system, to influence the youth of the area to relearn what was for most of the inabitants their original mother tongue.

    Well, there you go, I hope that I provided you with some useful information, even if I couldn’t honestly unravel the whole mess for you in a pragmatic sort of way.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Sorry (but it was a somewhat long response and editing time goes by very quickly):


    and thus because NATO had no desire to be involved with a country which held itself with a low approval rating.
     
    should be:

    and therefore NATO had no desire to be involved with a country which held itself with a low approval rating.
  493. @AP
    @Ron Unz

    I’m on vacation with the family and other than checking the news will be mostly off line. Pending a more detailed response, I’ll say this: the Russian ultimatums were collectively similar to those made to Czechoslovakia, the Baltics and Finland prior to World War II the preceded the absorption of those countries by the ones making the ultimatums. They were a clear path to loss of statehood and full annexation as the next step. (recall the Putin has described Ukraine as a fake nation artificially separated from Russia).

    Ukrainians chose the Finnish path of fighting back. They believed (and most still do) that it was worth having a country despite the terrible price.

    Briefly:

    Demilitarisation- Ukraine is helpless

    Neutrality- No one can come to Ukraine’s aid when new demands or annexation comes into force

    Denazification- Russian code for purging Ukraine of patriots or nationalists

    Russian rights - Nice excuse for future intervention against a disarmed state for the sake of enforcing this condition

    Autonomy- veto power for pro-Russian regions over national policy. Goodbye EU association

    Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Mikhail

    I’m on vacation with the family and other than checking the news will be mostly off line. Pending a more detailed response, I’ll say this: the Russian ultimatums were collectively similar to those made to Czechoslovakia, the Baltics and Finland prior to World War II the preceded the absorption of those countries by the ones making the ultimatums. They were a clear path to loss of statehood and full annexation as the next step. (recall the Putin has described Ukraine as a fake nation artificially separated from Russia).

    Ukrainians chose the Finnish path of fighting back. They believed (and most still do) that it was worth having a country despite the terrible price.

    Briefly:

    Demilitarisation- Ukraine is helpless

    Neutrality- No one can come to Ukraine’s aid when new demands or annexation comes into force

    Denazification- Russian code for purging Ukraine of patriots or nationalists

    Russian rights – Nice excuse for future intervention against a disarmed state for the sake of enforcing this condition

    Autonomy- veto power for pro-Russian regions over national policy. Goodbye EU association

    At some point, Zelensky could be going on a vacation. Post-Soviet Russia isn’t the USSR.

    Finland was offered a strategic land swap minus war. The Soviets ended up getting what they wanted. Soviet suspicion of Finland siding with Nazi Germany proved true. Thereafter, Finland did well in the post-WW II-Cold War period.

    Neo-Nazi influence in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine is a problematical reality for those opposed to this un-democratically bigoted scourge.

    Autonomy on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR would’ve served as a basis to protect those territories who understandably reject the svido slant.

    Post-Soviet Russia readily accepted a truly neutral Ukraine, with the svidos and neocons having a different agenda.

  494. @Brás Cubas
    @Yellowface Anon

    Maybe this is a case where the best is the enemy of the good. By trying to build a perfectly liberal world, the US may end up destroying liberalism altogether.
    P.S.: What's IoT? Internet of Things?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Ironic. But that’ll be post-liberal, from the non-neoreactionary side of the equation. Every path we will walk on necessarily abandon some or all tenets of the full liberal political thought (whether classical or even the post-60s pre-woke one). They might even abandon the Liberal label and take on a more accurate moniker for their new ideology (could be socialism).

    PS, Yes. Easy enough to track, aggregate and micromanage production and consumption with this, coupled with CBDC and UBI (perhaps some co-opting of cryptos too) on the fiscal-financial front.

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  495. @Mr. Hack
    @Ron Unz

    Good questions! I'll try to answer them the best that I can.


    the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn’t become part of NATO,
     
    If Ukraine had become a part of NATO sooner than later, it wouldn't be involved in this war today. For most of its history since independence (1991 - 2014) it never fully pursued NATO membership. Most of Ukraine's citizenry was opposed to NATO membership, and thus because NATO had no desire to be involved with a country which held itself with a low approval rating. Obviously, things changed after 201 4, and Russia opened a pandoras box within Ukraine for its desire to gain entrance in this organization. Some at this blog have suggested that Ukraine had already, by that time, lost its window of opportunity.

    wouldn’t have a strong military,
     
    Well, we all can see how foolish that notion has become? Without a strong military Ukraine would have ceased to exist as independent state after a three day cakewalk by Russia to Kyiv. We wouldn't be having this discussion today.

    would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements,
     
    This is a difficult and sticky problem for Ukraine to address. On the one hand, it couldn't just let the Donbas wither away, as it practically has in regards to Crimea, for this would set another bad precedent for trying to keep its large state in one unified whole. Also, there's the fact that unlike Crimea, this area had a majority of Ukrainians living within, today and historically. On the other hand, keeping it within Ukraine with its mostly Russified Ukrainian inhabitants would have always played to Russia's hand and would have prevented Ukraine's western EU aspirations. This is a hard nut to crack, and I admit that it's probably above my pay grade to unravel.

    plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language.

     

    Here's one area that Ukrainian officials probably acted too hastily, and could have come up with something more pragmatic and balanced to address the language situation in the greatly Russified Eastern area, especially within Donbas. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the new language policy that was promulgated on the heels of Yanukovych's departure in 2014 was one of the main reasons that the separatists gave for trying to secede from Ukraine. The reality was that the new language policy favoring the Ukrainian language never really took hold, and the locals never really felt any discriminatory backlash for continuing to use the Russian language. So, in effect the new law had no real effect other than to be used as a pretext for separation. For the few provinces that were heavilu Russified, a more balanced approach would have worked better, and allowed the "Easterners" to continue to use the language that they were most comfortable speaking. Ukrainian could have been implemented more slowly, especially within the school system, to influence the youth of the area to relearn what was for most of the inabitants their original mother tongue.

    Well, there you go, I hope that I provided you with some useful information, even if I couldn't honestly unravel the whole mess for you in a pragmatic sort of way.
     

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Sorry (but it was a somewhat long response and editing time goes by very quickly):

    and thus because NATO had no desire to be involved with a country which held itself with a low approval rating.

    should be:

    and therefore NATO had no desire to be involved with a country which held itself with a low approval rating.

  496. @utu
    @German_reader

    Ukrainian refugees who came to Germany have passports or some other travel documents proving entry to Poland, Slovakia, Hungary or Romania so they can be tracked and identified by checking with say, Poland whether such and such person indeed entered from Ukraine, so I do not think that no checking on German border is an issue besides Ukrainians got special status to be able to travel to any country of EU.

    I agree that there are fake passports that actually can be quite real in circulations but this is what various gangs that traffic people always were doing and in case of corrupt countries like Ukraine it is quite possible to buy passports that are pretty real. There were fake-real Lithuanian passports that were in circulation and people dealing in them were caught in Ukraine not so long ago.

    I have read that in Poland non-Ukrainians were put in detention like centers if they wanted to stay in Poland and had to go through a rigmarole of applications and paper work that lasts very long and does not offer high chance of success. But if they did not want to stay in Poland and had passports of their countries even if they come fromUkraine they were allowed to travel anywhere if they can get visa but Poland does not consider them as refugees because they have their countries to go back to unlike Ukrainians.

    Then there are Gypsies who do not look like Ukrainians but like people form outside of Europe but they can be legitimate citizens of Ukraine.

    Passports scams are plausible but the scale of phenomena is very small I think. But ZeroHedge and its chief spokesmen assigned to the Unz Review make it to be the central conspiracy of Klaus Schwab and so on that under the cover of Ukrainian refugees EU will be flooded with half of Africa who will be starving pretty soon because of Zelensky who instead of ploughing the fields in Ukraine is shooting at Russians. So the solution is very simple: Ukrainians must surrender ASAP. Actually Ron Unz says pretty much the same that if Ukraine did not resist there would be no suffering. I wonder how he would respond to home invasion? How would he know that unresisted home invasion would not be followed with invasion of his body? Anyway, ZeroHedge, A123 and Ron Unz are selling us Russian disinformation. Unfortunately there are many idiots who buy it.

    I speculated before that A123 belonged to the Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis but more specifically it is Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka axis of Chabad, Breitbart, ZeroHedge, Trump, MAGA and Qanonism. What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual, so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv - Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Mikel

    I wonder how he would respond to home invasion?

    I think you got this backwards. In the case of a home invasion you definitely should try to defend yourself, especially if you have some self-defense weapons, as luckily many of us in the US have (and so does Ukraine as a country). What you don’t do when you see your home invaded is position yourself behind your wife and children, hoping that the invaders will not dare kill them.

    If you fail in your attempt to repel the invaders they may certainly kill your family but at least you’ve tried to do your best to save them as your primary goal.

    However, we live in a world where you would be considered a villain if you hid behind your family yet it is considered normal for the armed forces of a country to follow a totally equivalent strategy. And the difference is obfuscated by appeals to abstract concepts like sovereignty, territorial integrity, inviolability of a country’s borders,… Basically, words that magically turn the immoral into moral because it is tacitly understood, but never clearly expressed, that preserving the lives of its citizens is not the main goal of a country’s defense forces. Political goals are more important.

    Like everybody around the world, I am very impressed by the courage of the Ukrainians. I find hard to imagine the patriotism shown by the Ukrainian population anywhere in Western Europe. But that doesn’t change the fact that by taking cover inside cities the Ukrainian authorities are consciously subjecting their civilian population to massive damage.

    You may well respond with some of your inane accusations of me being a secret agent of some superpower but I think that in times of war people easily forget what is moral and what is not. For me, having grown up in a country plagued by the consequences of terrorism and repression, highlighting these things has always been important, no matter what others think.

    • Agree: Yevardian
  497. @LondonBob
    https://www.intellinews.com/moscow-blog-first-steps-towards-peace-in-ukraine-but-not-there-yet-239778/?source=blogs

    Actually think this is quite accurate, if Mariupol is cleared next week and the Donbass front starts crumbling I think a deal is quite likely. Despite the hysteria this has been a limited operation with clearly limited goals.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    If you look at population concentrations in Ukraine, it appears that virtually no one lived north of Hostomel. It’s an irradiated zone near Chernobyl and empty of people all the way down to around the airport.

    We talk about the failure of capturing major cities but there’s one called Nova Kakhovka. Heard about that? 45,000 population bridge over the Dneiper. Hydroelectric dam. Berdyansk, that place the Ukrainians sank a landing ship. It’s a major deep water port, decent size population. Melitopol…nothing there right? 50,000 people It’s the junction of every road in the region and has water.

    The area north west of Kiev had an airport. That’s about it. The Russians smashed up the light industrial area in the northwest of Kiev which services Hostomel. The Wehrmacht did an airbonre assault on the airfields in Holland. It was a disaster but it did force the Dutch Royals to surrender. What the Russians did in Hostomel didn’t work out but that’s the nature of a parachute airborne operation.

  498. @Triteleia Laxa
    It seems that the Russians are retreating to the Donbas, where they will dig in, and be difficult to dislodge without the Ukrainians receiving a lot more heavy weaponry from the West.

    This will be done, but, with training needed, it might take a while to have an effect.

    In the meantime, Ukraine should overthrow Lukashenko. It would not be an easy operation. The methods used would need to be subtle, but it is clear that his regime is extremely vulnerable to Belarusians crossing back from defending Ukraine to kick him out.

    In this way, Russia will be fixed in place, desperately defending their occupation in Donbas, both from an insurgency within, and the Ukrainians without, meanwhile Putin loses Belarus from his orbit.

    Just as South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh and other locations are already imperilled.

    Russia seems to now be operating on the assumption that they can pick the areas for confrontation, but that is just lazy, cowardly thinking. Their retreat is from weakness and Ukraine has many more options and levers to pull.*

    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.

    *I can list the many other levers, but let's not ruin too much of the surprise.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Yevardian

    The Russians are pushing across the Donets from Izyum and Terny. City which was wiped out in the shelling. The Ukrainians are putting paratroopers in the way as best they can on the flank. Missile attacks now at every power, electronic fuel and transit node connecting Dnipro and Slovyansk.

  499. Should Hungarians adopt Pan-Mongolism?

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    That might clash with their links to Pan-Turkism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Turkic_States


    Since late 2018, Hungary has been an observer and may request full membership.
     
    Are Mongols (or Avars) cooler than Turks? Difficult question.

    Replies: @songbird

  500. Two Ukrainian helicopters cross the Russian border and bomb a large gas depot in Belgorod Russia. Is anybody really surprised? A little taste of their own medicine. Looks like Triteleia Lexa has finally missed one eventuality?

    File under: “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander”

  501. @JL
    @LatW

    No, the surge in inflation was not due to labor shortages, but to decades of irresponsible monetary, fiscal and energy policy on behalf of the EU. If the problem is labor shortages then no need to worry, you'll have plenty of fresh Ukrainian meat to fill the gaps.

    Replies: @LatW

    the surge in inflation was not due to labor shortages,

    My point was that inflation was already surging globally prior to February 24, due to various reasons. Supply chain disruptions due to Covid, etc. Heating bills jumped to insane levels months ago. It is dishonest to blame this all on Ukraine trying to defend itself and the West’s unanimous response. It was Russia’s choice to do this.

    If the problem is labor shortages then no need to worry, you’ll have plenty of fresh Ukrainian meat to fill the gaps.

    First of all, they’re not “meat”, but human beings, in the case of the Baltic countries, these people are the spouses and children of our saviors / defenders. The Poles, too, feel solidarity with them. Housing them is the least we can do. And, yes, it will be helpful to hire them (although they should rest first). There are posts on the job boards “Hiring Ukrainians” on many job ads. We need people. I see absolutely no reason to be contemptuous, as you sound here.

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW


    My point was that inflation was already surging globally prior to February 24, due to various reasons
     
    Correct.

    In Germany, deranged "Green" initiatives have produced the highest (or 2nd highest) electricity price in Europe. Electricity, like diesel fuel, is an inflation multiplier as each value added step requires that input.

    In the U.S. we have intentional reduction of domestic hydrocarbon output under Biden's regime. Its actions against pipelines are even more dangerous [MORE]. Needless to say, America also had run away inflation long before the current Ukraine fiasco.

    PEACE 😇



    https://i.imgflip.com/4z89qo.jpg

     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Eureaka-Biden-inflation-768x511.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

  502. @sudden death
    @LatW


    If they did do it, it’s understandable, because it’s a total war now. In a total war, neither side respects the other’s border. Scary…
     
    btw, it should be reminded - according to the official RF propaganda narrative it is UA that attacked inside RF territory prior Feb 24, so for the usual casual average citizen in RF the border crossing thing is not somehow revolutionizing event in this war, as in their own ruler created alternative reality, which many casuals do believe honestly, it has already been done.

    Replies: @LatW

    it has already been done.

    Absolutely, it is a very common Russian MO that was employed before the invasion of our countries, too, in 1940.

    Frankly, these events just highlight the importance of stability of the borders. The security of the nation state is a guarantee against the non-European migrant assaults. The Ukrainians warned already a few years back that the number of migrants coming from the East, from the Russian territory, is increasing. It should’ve been vital to keep Ukraine’s border’s intact and well guarded.

    Not to mention that a Pandora’s box is being opened, to trigger conflicts elsewhere, where others will feel emboldened to do the same…

  503. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW
    @JL


    the surge in inflation was not due to labor shortages,
     
    My point was that inflation was already surging globally prior to February 24, due to various reasons. Supply chain disruptions due to Covid, etc. Heating bills jumped to insane levels months ago. It is dishonest to blame this all on Ukraine trying to defend itself and the West's unanimous response. It was Russia's choice to do this.

    If the problem is labor shortages then no need to worry, you’ll have plenty of fresh Ukrainian meat to fill the gaps.
     
    First of all, they're not "meat", but human beings, in the case of the Baltic countries, these people are the spouses and children of our saviors / defenders. The Poles, too, feel solidarity with them. Housing them is the least we can do. And, yes, it will be helpful to hire them (although they should rest first). There are posts on the job boards "Hiring Ukrainians" on many job ads. We need people. I see absolutely no reason to be contemptuous, as you sound here.

    Replies: @A123

    My point was that inflation was already surging globally prior to February 24, due to various reasons

    Correct.

    In Germany, deranged “Green” initiatives have produced the highest (or 2nd highest) electricity price in Europe. Electricity, like diesel fuel, is an inflation multiplier as each value added step requires that input.

    In the U.S. we have intentional reduction of domestic hydrocarbon output under Biden’s regime. Its actions against pipelines are even more dangerous [MORE]. Needless to say, America also had run away inflation long before the current Ukraine fiasco.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

     

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    In the U.S. we have intentional reduction of domestic hydrocarbon output under Biden’s regime.
     
    Right, should this war not budge his attitude a little bit?

    From what I understand, though, the stunted relationship between the current administration and the industry is not the only problem, unfortunately (as that could be overcome through talking). There are apparently other more substantial obstacles to increasing production (there are problems with investment, supply chain, infrastructure, labor). Too bad Ukrainian men are busy fighting, they could've helped out on the oil rig.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216

  504. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    Should Hungarians adopt Pan-Mongolism?

    Replies: @German_reader

    That might clash with their links to Pan-Turkism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Turkic_States

    Since late 2018, Hungary has been an observer and may request full membership.

    Are Mongols (or Avars) cooler than Turks? Difficult question.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Observer status! ROTFL!!!


    Are Mongols (or Avars) cooler than Turks? Difficult question.
     
    I don't know. When I look at a map of Organization of Turkic States, that seems like a lot of territory, centrally located so it would make a good springboard.

    OTOH, I like how Mongolians have that big statue of Genghis on his horse looking Westward and also assert that the Great Wall is their southern border.

    Replies: @German_reader

  505. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    multiply any invasion’s expected difficulty x3 to get a real estimate of how it will go
     
    Yes. Incredibly, the Russians don't seem to have learned anything from the experience of the US military campaigns in the last 20+ years.

    I remember how before the war started the "experts" were saying that all those Javelins would be useless because the Russians would obliterate the Ukrainian forces with stand off weapons before actually invading. Instead, the Russian generals decided pretty much to charge directly against the Javelins on multiple fronts...

    Although to be fair, I don't think the US or NATO would have fared much better in a war like the one the Russians chose: invading a huge and well armed country with a limited contingent stretched thin on various fronts and with the apparent objective of storming all big cities, one after the other. Has such a strategy ever worked well for anyone in the past?

    And to make matters worse, the political objectives of the operation, as expressed by Putin, looked unattainable even in the best-case scenario. It is quite ironic that it was the Saker, years ago when his rants still made some sense occasionally, who explained one obvious truth: it's pointless to start a war if it's not in the pursuit of very clear and achievable political goals.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

    I remember how before the war started the “experts” were saying that all those Javelins would be useless because the Russians would obliterate the Ukrainian forces with stand off weapons before actually invading. Instead, the Russian generals decided pretty much to charge directly against the Javelins on multiple fronts…

    But wait, there is more to come – it was not some strange coincidence last time when rather big armies were clashing in roughly the same areas the battles are going now, all war participants were trying to start and do all their own biggest ground offensives in summer. Yeah, I mean 1941, 1942,1943 and 1944.

    Right now some country is regrouping and trying to do the biggest and certainly very quick crushing victorious Donbas offensive against the strongest defence lines during coming spring with thawing grounds and soon starting April potential cloudy raining…just after they couldn’t finish some offensive against a capital in a place where there were just relatively minor UA forces and no prepared defence lines in advance, lol

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @sudden death

    Yes, somehow I doubt that plan B will work too well either. Reports coming from the fronts in Donbass don't paint a rosy picture right now at all: https://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/2132047.html

    But if things get very ugly I guess Russia can always go medieval or decree a full mobilization. Or both, as Strelkov and others keeps demanding. That could possibly lead to WW3, though.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  506. @German_reader
    @songbird

    That might clash with their links to Pan-Turkism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Turkic_States


    Since late 2018, Hungary has been an observer and may request full membership.
     
    Are Mongols (or Avars) cooler than Turks? Difficult question.

    Replies: @songbird

    Observer status! ROTFL!!!

    Are Mongols (or Avars) cooler than Turks? Difficult question.

    I don’t know. When I look at a map of Organization of Turkic States, that seems like a lot of territory, centrally located so it would make a good springboard.

    OTOH, I like how Mongolians have that big statue of Genghis on his horse looking Westward and also assert that the Great Wall is their southern border.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    I once read some eyewitness account of the 1241 Mongol invasion of Hungary and it was really disturbing, graphic stuff. Like women being gang-raped in front of their families, or people who had fled to the woods being lured back by promises they wouldn't be harmed...so they would bring in the harvest for the Mongols, only to be killed afterwards. Really sounded like a level of calculating violence that was well beyond the level usual in European warfare.
    The recent DNA study about Avars is pretty fascinating, very weird thought that actual Mongols (or a Mongol-like people) persisted in East Central Europe for two centuries, and apparently fairly unmixed at least among the elite. One wonders what happened to them, did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  507. @Triteleia Laxa
    It seems that the Russians are retreating to the Donbas, where they will dig in, and be difficult to dislodge without the Ukrainians receiving a lot more heavy weaponry from the West.

    This will be done, but, with training needed, it might take a while to have an effect.

    In the meantime, Ukraine should overthrow Lukashenko. It would not be an easy operation. The methods used would need to be subtle, but it is clear that his regime is extremely vulnerable to Belarusians crossing back from defending Ukraine to kick him out.

    In this way, Russia will be fixed in place, desperately defending their occupation in Donbas, both from an insurgency within, and the Ukrainians without, meanwhile Putin loses Belarus from his orbit.

    Just as South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh and other locations are already imperilled.

    Russia seems to now be operating on the assumption that they can pick the areas for confrontation, but that is just lazy, cowardly thinking. Their retreat is from weakness and Ukraine has many more options and levers to pull.*

    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.

    *I can list the many other levers, but let's not ruin too much of the surprise.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Yevardian

    ….Ukraine should overthrow Lukashenko.

    Riiight. Why stop there? Ukraine should overthrow Kazakhstan, China, Armenia, Iran – and, as a small side-project, also Russia.

    The pro-Kiev Donbas insurgents you mentioned just met on a Prague bench to plot. They were subtle and even let an old lady sit there, although it wasn’t a big bench.

    The levers are in motion…next, a coffee break and then storming Kremlin.

    • LOL: Brás Cubas
  508. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Observer status! ROTFL!!!


    Are Mongols (or Avars) cooler than Turks? Difficult question.
     
    I don't know. When I look at a map of Organization of Turkic States, that seems like a lot of territory, centrally located so it would make a good springboard.

    OTOH, I like how Mongolians have that big statue of Genghis on his horse looking Westward and also assert that the Great Wall is their southern border.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I once read some eyewitness account of the 1241 Mongol invasion of Hungary and it was really disturbing, graphic stuff. Like women being gang-raped in front of their families, or people who had fled to the woods being lured back by promises they wouldn’t be harmed…so they would bring in the harvest for the Mongols, only to be killed afterwards. Really sounded like a level of calculating violence that was well beyond the level usual in European warfare.
    The recent DNA study about Avars is pretty fascinating, very weird thought that actual Mongols (or a Mongol-like people) persisted in East Central Europe for two centuries, and apparently fairly unmixed at least among the elite. One wonders what happened to them, did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    The recent DNA study about Avars is pretty fascinating, very weird thought that actual Mongols (or a Mongol-like people) persisted in East Central Europe for two centuries, and apparently fairly unmixed at least among the elite. One wonders what happened to them, did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?
     
    The Hungarian Székely minority in Romania popularly consider themselves the descendents of the Avars. Nomadic peoples naturally were never especially numerous compared to any settled population, though they often loom large in history since they often functioned as an entire armed nation on the move. You can see the how Bulgars were totally assimilated into the local slavic population in Thrace, Cimmerians in Phrygia, Vandals in Africa (although their entire elite was also deported with Byzantine reconquest) or the (Iranian and 'caucasian') Tocharians in the Tarim basin etc.
    Cases of nomads like the Magyars, Arabs (though the historical account here has numerous extreme issues) or Turks imposing their language and culture on the lands they conquered are extremely unusual.
    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    I once read some eyewitness account of the 1241 Mongol invasion of Hungary and it was really disturbing
     
    Could have sworn I heard someone here once suggest that the Mongols were Divine vengeance on the Avars for violently invading. But maybe, I am misremembering it.

    I think a lot of progressives like the Mongols, for their religious tolerance and for allowing long trade routes to be opened up.

    did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?
     
    I get the idea that he must have replaced a lot of them with Slavs. They seem to have clung on for some time after, in certain areas, but, maybe, converting to Christianity and the loss of much of their power, helped universalize the remaining ones.

    Just generally, I suspect that the Hungarian Plain may have been a bad place to be an aristocratic family.
    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Really sounded like a level of calculating violence that was well beyond the level usual in European warfare.

    I don't think I would go there, how did the epithet "Hun" come about?


    „Kommt ihr vor den Feind, so wird derselbe geschlagen! Pardon wird nicht gegeben! Gefangene werden nicht gemacht! Wer euch in die Hände fällt, sei euch verfallen! Wie vor tausend Jahren die Hunnen unter ihrem König Etzel sich einen Namen gemacht, der sie noch jetzt in Überlieferung und Märchen gewaltig erscheinen läßt, so möge der Name Deutscher in China auf 1000 Jahre durch euch in einer Weise bestätigt werden, daß es niemals wieder ein Chinese wagt, einen Deutschen scheel anzusehen!“[2]

     

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunnenrede

    Replies: @German_reader

  509. @Triteleia Laxa
    It seems that the Russians are retreating to the Donbas, where they will dig in, and be difficult to dislodge without the Ukrainians receiving a lot more heavy weaponry from the West.

    This will be done, but, with training needed, it might take a while to have an effect.

    In the meantime, Ukraine should overthrow Lukashenko. It would not be an easy operation. The methods used would need to be subtle, but it is clear that his regime is extremely vulnerable to Belarusians crossing back from defending Ukraine to kick him out.

    In this way, Russia will be fixed in place, desperately defending their occupation in Donbas, both from an insurgency within, and the Ukrainians without, meanwhile Putin loses Belarus from his orbit.

    Just as South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh and other locations are already imperilled.

    Russia seems to now be operating on the assumption that they can pick the areas for confrontation, but that is just lazy, cowardly thinking. Their retreat is from weakness and Ukraine has many more options and levers to pull.*

    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.

    *I can list the many other levers, but let's not ruin too much of the surprise.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Yevardian

    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.

    This can be argued from a short-term humanitarian perspective, but this is not how any state operates anywhere. It makes no sense on other level, Russia will remain sanctioned anyway, consequences for political stability both internally and immediately abroad would be catastrophic, logic of war leaves literally no choice but to finish what it started. Do you think any country ever has gained anything from ‘admitting its mistakes’? International relations are not comparable to personal ones, admission of any guilt only shows (quickly exploited) weakness, a more real analogue is the mafia.

    Point about overthrowing Lukashenko is too unbelievably stupid to bother addressing. Russia will still win in Ukraine through virtue of scale, all these recent setbacks simply mean the war will bloodily drag on for many more months, which I can’t see being in Ukraine’s interests, or anyone else’s, except China or the US.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Yevardian


    Point about overthrowing Lukashenko is too unbelievably stupid to bother addressing.
     
    It's not. Lukashenko's position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It's possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people. The Belarusians don't have the means to overthrow him, but his situation would become more precarious. Not to mention that he's already having to take care of the massive number of the Russian bodies and the wounded (the hospitals in Belarus are pretty full with Russian soldiers, is there enough space for the wounded Belarusians in the future?)

    One option that I already mentioned before would've been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.

    Not to mention that there is a Belarusian group present that has been fighting on the Ukrainian side since 2014.

    Replies: @Aedib

    , @216
    @Yevardian


    Do you think any country ever has gained anything from ‘admitting its mistakes’?
     
    The German cult of national guilt has done wonders for German business interests. Japan can only dream of a regional common market with its cold neighborhood relations. But at least the Japanese aren't (yet) facing the prospect of being a minority in their own land.

    Germany forced a far tighter fiscal policy in the EU post-2009 than occurred in the USA.
  510. @sudden death
    @Triteleia Laxa

    We should be honored that even Victoria Nuland is posting here ;)

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Zhirik, Victoria Nuland, Putin and Xi all loyal readers of Karlin’s blog, even after he left in pique.. very impressive.

    • Agree: sudden death
  511. @German_reader
    @songbird

    I once read some eyewitness account of the 1241 Mongol invasion of Hungary and it was really disturbing, graphic stuff. Like women being gang-raped in front of their families, or people who had fled to the woods being lured back by promises they wouldn't be harmed...so they would bring in the harvest for the Mongols, only to be killed afterwards. Really sounded like a level of calculating violence that was well beyond the level usual in European warfare.
    The recent DNA study about Avars is pretty fascinating, very weird thought that actual Mongols (or a Mongol-like people) persisted in East Central Europe for two centuries, and apparently fairly unmixed at least among the elite. One wonders what happened to them, did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The recent DNA study about Avars is pretty fascinating, very weird thought that actual Mongols (or a Mongol-like people) persisted in East Central Europe for two centuries, and apparently fairly unmixed at least among the elite. One wonders what happened to them, did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?

    The Hungarian Székely minority in Romania popularly consider themselves the descendents of the Avars. Nomadic peoples naturally were never especially numerous compared to any settled population, though they often loom large in history since they often functioned as an entire armed nation on the move. You can see the how Bulgars were totally assimilated into the local slavic population in Thrace, Cimmerians in Phrygia, Vandals in Africa (although their entire elite was also deported with Byzantine reconquest) or the (Iranian and ‘caucasian’) Tocharians in the Tarim basin etc.
    Cases of nomads like the Magyars, Arabs (though the historical account here has numerous extreme issues) or Turks imposing their language and culture on the lands they conquered are extremely unusual.

  512. @A123
    @LatW


    My point was that inflation was already surging globally prior to February 24, due to various reasons
     
    Correct.

    In Germany, deranged "Green" initiatives have produced the highest (or 2nd highest) electricity price in Europe. Electricity, like diesel fuel, is an inflation multiplier as each value added step requires that input.

    In the U.S. we have intentional reduction of domestic hydrocarbon output under Biden's regime. Its actions against pipelines are even more dangerous [MORE]. Needless to say, America also had run away inflation long before the current Ukraine fiasco.

    PEACE 😇



    https://i.imgflip.com/4z89qo.jpg

     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Eureaka-Biden-inflation-768x511.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    In the U.S. we have intentional reduction of domestic hydrocarbon output under Biden’s regime.

    Right, should this war not budge his attitude a little bit?

    From what I understand, though, the stunted relationship between the current administration and the industry is not the only problem, unfortunately (as that could be overcome through talking). There are apparently other more substantial obstacles to increasing production (there are problems with investment, supply chain, infrastructure, labor). Too bad Ukrainian men are busy fighting, they could’ve helped out on the oil rig.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Ukrainians are dying for a geezer who thinks pissing his own pants is a sensible way to stay warm.

    , @216
    @LatW

    The Interior Secretary is a Native woman that views hydrocarbon drilling as "white colonialism".

    The bigger obstacle is pipelines, which face lawsuits wherever they are planned.

  513. @A123
    @utu


    What is interesting is that A123 often responds promptly with elaborate and full of information and disinformation content as if he had access to lots of data on his finger tips. This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual.
     
    I appreciate the complement. I have lots of knowledge, and can usually provide a confirming link or two fairly quickly.

    To the extent that a limited amount of bad data slips through. My apologies.


    so I wonder whether it is a team that is assigned to several forums to push Brooklyn -Tel Aviv – Lubyanka spiel. Actually I would like to know how such an operations work and what does it take to launch them and sustain them. I suspect that a database of past comments is generated in real time and somehow parsed by AI to provide quick answers to queries that are similar that already have been posed
     
    I sleep for much less than the typical 8 hours per day and sometimes have to coordinate with international colleagues. My posting timing is unusual, but not evidence of an AI or team.

    What organizer would fund a team to or AI to expose George IslamoSoros as a Muslim?

    I wish that type of support for the TRUTH existed. Sadly, it does not.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @iffen

    This would require a quite resourceful and knowledgeable individual.

    Or a mediocre Israeli propaganda bot.

  514. @Yevardian
    @Triteleia Laxa


    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.
     
    This can be argued from a short-term humanitarian perspective, but this is not how any state operates anywhere. It makes no sense on other level, Russia will remain sanctioned anyway, consequences for political stability both internally and immediately abroad would be catastrophic, logic of war leaves literally no choice but to finish what it started. Do you think any country ever has gained anything from 'admitting its mistakes'? International relations are not comparable to personal ones, admission of any guilt only shows (quickly exploited) weakness, a more real analogue is the mafia.

    Point about overthrowing Lukashenko is too unbelievably stupid to bother addressing. Russia will still win in Ukraine through virtue of scale, all these recent setbacks simply mean the war will bloodily drag on for many more months, which I can't see being in Ukraine's interests, or anyone else's, except China or the US.

    Replies: @LatW, @216

    Point about overthrowing Lukashenko is too unbelievably stupid to bother addressing.

    It’s not. Lukashenko’s position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It’s possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people. The Belarusians don’t have the means to overthrow him, but his situation would become more precarious. Not to mention that he’s already having to take care of the massive number of the Russian bodies and the wounded (the hospitals in Belarus are pretty full with Russian soldiers, is there enough space for the wounded Belarusians in the future?)

    One option that I already mentioned before would’ve been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.

    Not to mention that there is a Belarusian group present that has been fighting on the Ukrainian side since 2014.

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @LatW

    And what is the support to Juanita Tikhanovskaya?

    Replies: @LatW

  515. @German_reader
    @songbird

    I once read some eyewitness account of the 1241 Mongol invasion of Hungary and it was really disturbing, graphic stuff. Like women being gang-raped in front of their families, or people who had fled to the woods being lured back by promises they wouldn't be harmed...so they would bring in the harvest for the Mongols, only to be killed afterwards. Really sounded like a level of calculating violence that was well beyond the level usual in European warfare.
    The recent DNA study about Avars is pretty fascinating, very weird thought that actual Mongols (or a Mongol-like people) persisted in East Central Europe for two centuries, and apparently fairly unmixed at least among the elite. One wonders what happened to them, did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I once read some eyewitness account of the 1241 Mongol invasion of Hungary and it was really disturbing

    Could have sworn I heard someone here once suggest that the Mongols were Divine vengeance on the Avars for violently invading. But maybe, I am misremembering it.

    I think a lot of progressives like the Mongols, for their religious tolerance and for allowing long trade routes to be opened up.

    did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?

    I get the idea that he must have replaced a lot of them with Slavs. They seem to have clung on for some time after, in certain areas, but, maybe, converting to Christianity and the loss of much of their power, helped universalize the remaining ones.

    Just generally, I suspect that the Hungarian Plain may have been a bad place to be an aristocratic family.

  516. @LatW
    @Yevardian


    Point about overthrowing Lukashenko is too unbelievably stupid to bother addressing.
     
    It's not. Lukashenko's position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It's possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people. The Belarusians don't have the means to overthrow him, but his situation would become more precarious. Not to mention that he's already having to take care of the massive number of the Russian bodies and the wounded (the hospitals in Belarus are pretty full with Russian soldiers, is there enough space for the wounded Belarusians in the future?)

    One option that I already mentioned before would've been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.

    Not to mention that there is a Belarusian group present that has been fighting on the Ukrainian side since 2014.

    Replies: @Aedib

    And what is the support to Juanita Tikhanovskaya?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Aedib


    And what is the support to Juanita Tikhanovskaya?
     
    That's irrelevant right now. What is relevant is that he hasn't yet stepped into the battle with his troops (although Belarus is definitely a party to the war, since the attack came from their territory), maybe the Belarusian troops will step in during the next phase. As Oleh Zhdanov mentioned in his interview, missiles are being taken to Belarus so it's possible that they will fire from there. But the fact remains that Luka is still somewhat cautious and has not involved his troops.

    Replies: @sudden death

  517. @Aedib
    @LatW

    And what is the support to Juanita Tikhanovskaya?

    Replies: @LatW

    And what is the support to Juanita Tikhanovskaya?

    That’s irrelevant right now. What is relevant is that he hasn’t yet stepped into the battle with his troops (although Belarus is definitely a party to the war, since the attack came from their territory), maybe the Belarusian troops will step in during the next phase. As Oleh Zhdanov mentioned in his interview, missiles are being taken to Belarus so it’s possible that they will fire from there. But the fact remains that Luka is still somewhat cautious and has not involved his troops.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LatW

    The man on the left is Mikhail Podolyak, member of UA negotiating team, who is also an adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Yermak and an "anti-crisis manager" of the Office. According to Wiki, he controls the entire information policy of the Office of the President and advises Volodymyr Zelenskyy directly. In addition, he prepares ministers of the Ukrainian government for broadcasts in the media so that their theses are coordinated with the content promoted by the president.

    What is quite interesting though, he lived in Belarus since 1989 and graduated from the Minsk Medical Institute. In 2004, he worked as deputy editor-in-chief of the opposition Belarusian newspaper Vremya. In June 2004, officers of the KGB of Belarus came to his house and gave him half an hour to collect his things. The Belarusian authorities accused Podoliak that his activities "contradict the interests of state security", and the materials contain "slanderous fabrications about the real situation in the country, calls to destabilize the political situation in Belarus". He was deported to Ukraine and denied the right to visit Belarus for five years.

    So our valuable poster, named Tritelea Laxa, might have been quite precise&truthful in fact when writing about potential UA knowledge, influence and abilities towards northern supporting sector of RF aggression ;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM7FP0HXsAAAQ7W.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

  518. @LatW
    @A123


    In the U.S. we have intentional reduction of domestic hydrocarbon output under Biden’s regime.
     
    Right, should this war not budge his attitude a little bit?

    From what I understand, though, the stunted relationship between the current administration and the industry is not the only problem, unfortunately (as that could be overcome through talking). There are apparently other more substantial obstacles to increasing production (there are problems with investment, supply chain, infrastructure, labor). Too bad Ukrainian men are busy fighting, they could've helped out on the oil rig.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216

    Ukrainians are dying for a geezer who thinks pissing his own pants is a sensible way to stay warm.

  519. @LatW
    @Aedib


    And what is the support to Juanita Tikhanovskaya?
     
    That's irrelevant right now. What is relevant is that he hasn't yet stepped into the battle with his troops (although Belarus is definitely a party to the war, since the attack came from their territory), maybe the Belarusian troops will step in during the next phase. As Oleh Zhdanov mentioned in his interview, missiles are being taken to Belarus so it's possible that they will fire from there. But the fact remains that Luka is still somewhat cautious and has not involved his troops.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The man on the left is Mikhail Podolyak, member of UA negotiating team, who is also an adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Yermak and an “anti-crisis manager” of the Office. According to Wiki, he controls the entire information policy of the Office of the President and advises Volodymyr Zelenskyy directly. In addition, he prepares ministers of the Ukrainian government for broadcasts in the media so that their theses are coordinated with the content promoted by the president.

    What is quite interesting though, he lived in Belarus since 1989 and graduated from the Minsk Medical Institute. In 2004, he worked as deputy editor-in-chief of the opposition Belarusian newspaper Vremya. In June 2004, officers of the KGB of Belarus came to his house and gave him half an hour to collect his things. The Belarusian authorities accused Podoliak that his activities “contradict the interests of state security”, and the materials contain “slanderous fabrications about the real situation in the country, calls to destabilize the political situation in Belarus”. He was deported to Ukraine and denied the right to visit Belarus for five years.

    So our valuable poster, named Tritelea Laxa, might have been quite precise&truthful in fact when writing about potential UA knowledge, influence and abilities towards northern supporting sector of RF aggression 😉

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    *should be the man on the right ofc, as on the left is bearded Arakhamia with his iconic negotiating baseball cap ;)

  520. @sudden death
    @LatW

    The man on the left is Mikhail Podolyak, member of UA negotiating team, who is also an adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Yermak and an "anti-crisis manager" of the Office. According to Wiki, he controls the entire information policy of the Office of the President and advises Volodymyr Zelenskyy directly. In addition, he prepares ministers of the Ukrainian government for broadcasts in the media so that their theses are coordinated with the content promoted by the president.

    What is quite interesting though, he lived in Belarus since 1989 and graduated from the Minsk Medical Institute. In 2004, he worked as deputy editor-in-chief of the opposition Belarusian newspaper Vremya. In June 2004, officers of the KGB of Belarus came to his house and gave him half an hour to collect his things. The Belarusian authorities accused Podoliak that his activities "contradict the interests of state security", and the materials contain "slanderous fabrications about the real situation in the country, calls to destabilize the political situation in Belarus". He was deported to Ukraine and denied the right to visit Belarus for five years.

    So our valuable poster, named Tritelea Laxa, might have been quite precise&truthful in fact when writing about potential UA knowledge, influence and abilities towards northern supporting sector of RF aggression ;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM7FP0HXsAAAQ7W.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    *should be the man on the right ofc, as on the left is bearded Arakhamia with his iconic negotiating baseball cap 😉

  521. @Max Payne
    There is some kind of signal processing revolution in the Russian military that allows mid-flight hypersonic missile maneuvers and highly effective electronic warfare platforms. I haven't found anything in Russian (not that I read Russian....)

    Terms of importance: Radiophotonics. Fiber optics. Photonic processors/Analog-digital CPUs.

    A series of technologies developed upon and matured for cost-effective target and computing solutions on the battlefield.

    11-GHz-Bandwidth Photonic Radar using MHz Electronics:
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/lpor.202100549

    PHOTONIC SIGNAL PROCESSING:
    https://www.ursi.org/proceedings/procGA02/papers/p0598.pdf

    I can only imagine the military implications of an integrated sensor network utilizing such a system (such as an S-300/400 battery or the new line of alpha strike missiles such as the Kinzhal, etc.).

    Not only in high resolution radar targeting (as in that paper) but also in signal discrimination for jamming or interception.

    As for the hybrid CPU it seems to be an attempt to speed up signal processing across multiple sensors by reducing the bottleneck clock speeds of digital signal processors.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Not from what I’ve seen of Russian photonic capabilities. They don’t have decent local wafer processing abilities. Constantly begging for samples from IQE.

  522. @Aedib
    Any confirmation about NATO officers trapped in Azovstal?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Faker gibberish. Ukraine has been flying about 5 helicopters a day into Mariupol for weeks. The orcs got one (was it Thursday?). Faker is trying to turn it into an orc success story. I have no doubt that there are foreign advisors there. A number of SAS troopers deserted the British Army over a month ago. Helicopters are not the only option. The UK has probably taken advice from Colombian drug barons on the best blockade runners. The Royal Navy Armilla patrol is a decade or more old blockade against cocaine reaching the West Indies.

  523. Have to say that I am skeptical of this particular Tyler Durden story:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/humans-infected-mind-altering-parasite-seen-more-attractive

    As I think infections decrease symmetry, and it is hard to understand how they could increase it. (IMO, “Toxoplasma goggles” would be more likely.) But it is pretty fun, in a sci-fi way.
    _____
    BTW, I wonder what JayMan makes of Sammo Hung.

  524. @LatW
    @A123


    In the U.S. we have intentional reduction of domestic hydrocarbon output under Biden’s regime.
     
    Right, should this war not budge his attitude a little bit?

    From what I understand, though, the stunted relationship between the current administration and the industry is not the only problem, unfortunately (as that could be overcome through talking). There are apparently other more substantial obstacles to increasing production (there are problems with investment, supply chain, infrastructure, labor). Too bad Ukrainian men are busy fighting, they could've helped out on the oil rig.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216

    The Interior Secretary is a Native woman that views hydrocarbon drilling as “white colonialism”.

    The bigger obstacle is pipelines, which face lawsuits wherever they are planned.

  525. The alleged massacre in Bucha is MH-11 all over again. But this time it might trigger the deployment of Western ground troops.

  526. @sudden death
    Wild mood swings be like ;)


    https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1507819641673900037

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Philip Owen

    Russia of All the Russias? The Russian Federation? We’d need context to see that clearly. All the Russias has certainly gone. What happens in Belarus when the Russian army collapses in the South and East? Lukashenko has sent his army back to barracks. It looks as though they won’t attack despite their Russian officers. Next step on from that is to march on Minsk.

  527. 216 says: • Website
    @Yevardian
    @Triteleia Laxa


    As I said at the beginning of the war, Russia should end this now, because things can only get worse for them. Anything but an instant and maximalist victory would only begin a one way slide into doom. Better to apologise, admit mistakes and finish, than endlessly double down with a losing hand.
     
    This can be argued from a short-term humanitarian perspective, but this is not how any state operates anywhere. It makes no sense on other level, Russia will remain sanctioned anyway, consequences for political stability both internally and immediately abroad would be catastrophic, logic of war leaves literally no choice but to finish what it started. Do you think any country ever has gained anything from 'admitting its mistakes'? International relations are not comparable to personal ones, admission of any guilt only shows (quickly exploited) weakness, a more real analogue is the mafia.

    Point about overthrowing Lukashenko is too unbelievably stupid to bother addressing. Russia will still win in Ukraine through virtue of scale, all these recent setbacks simply mean the war will bloodily drag on for many more months, which I can't see being in Ukraine's interests, or anyone else's, except China or the US.

    Replies: @LatW, @216

    Do you think any country ever has gained anything from ‘admitting its mistakes’?

    The German cult of national guilt has done wonders for German business interests. Japan can only dream of a regional common market with its cold neighborhood relations. But at least the Japanese aren’t (yet) facing the prospect of being a minority in their own land.

    Germany forced a far tighter fiscal policy in the EU post-2009 than occurred in the USA.

    • LOL: German_reader
  528. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    His job is likely stressful as well
     
    Aw, so stressful... poor thing. What, is he sitting in a basement with sirens going off all the time? Is his child dying in front of his eyes?

    I wasn't talking about how affluent he is, I couldn't care less about that. But his words mattered. It's not just any job. He is complicit in what happened.

    What I was referring to was this.... this c*nt is whining about his lost house... when so many Ukrainian children died or were pushed out of their homes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFSdFdZUF60

    Aw, "what do I have to do with this?" No, absolutely nothing.

    Ну чё, доигрались?

    No, I do agree... it didn't have to turn out this way.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Lol but it makes sense he feels surprised he was targeted by sanctions as he is just a robot, like all this media.

    He’s not a “journalist”, he doesn’t have an independent view that he is responsible for (only some freedom in unimportant topics, like his promotion of Israel).

    Europe and Italy for him, would be a time when he can relax after the hard work and escape the aggressive media persona, for this gangster impolite television.

    You put the coin into a coin slot and choose what you want him to say. It’s impersonal because he says what authorities want him to, and authorities want is not his responsibility. In his case, he is providing a public service like “Two Minutes Hate” (https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_1), but not limited for two minutes.

    If you don’t control something, then are you responsible for it? Psychologically a lot of people won’t necessarily feel responsible, even about things they control, let alone where their decision is outsourced to those higher in rank within organization.

    In terms of international law there is another view and you won’t be able to escape responsibility so easily, of course.

    In more totalitarian society, most people have so little control, that it goes in another direction. The public try to identify with the authority, to feel some kind of responsibility for its decisions (even though 99,99% have no power at all). People try to feel like they have some responsibility, in areas their power is less than zero.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    In more totalitarian society, most people have so little control, that it goes in another direction. The public try to identify with the authority, to feel some kind of responsibility for its decisions (even though 99,99% have no power at all).
     
    Some but not all. Another common response is apathy. They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.

    We are leaving thousand dollar bills on the sidewalk all over the place. The untapped human potential is huge. Huger than Donald the Fat's belly by orders magnitude.
  529. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Lol but it makes sense he feels surprised he was targeted by sanctions as he is just a robot, like all this media.

    He's not a "journalist", he doesn't have an independent view that he is responsible for (only some freedom in unimportant topics, like his promotion of Israel).

    Europe and Italy for him, would be a time when he can relax after the hard work and escape the aggressive media persona, for this gangster impolite television.

    You put the coin into a coin slot and choose what you want him to say. It's impersonal because he says what authorities want him to, and authorities want is not his responsibility. In his case, he is providing a public service like "Two Minutes Hate" (https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_1), but not limited for two minutes.

    If you don't control something, then are you responsible for it? Psychologically a lot of people won't necessarily feel responsible, even about things they control, let alone where their decision is outsourced to those higher in rank within organization.

    In terms of international law there is another view and you won't be able to escape responsibility so easily, of course.

    In more totalitarian society, most people have so little control, that it goes in another direction. The public try to identify with the authority, to feel some kind of responsibility for its decisions (even though 99,99% have no power at all). People try to feel like they have some responsibility, in areas their power is less than zero.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    In more totalitarian society, most people have so little control, that it goes in another direction. The public try to identify with the authority, to feel some kind of responsibility for its decisions (even though 99,99% have no power at all).

    Some but not all. Another common response is apathy. They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.

    We are leaving thousand dollar bills on the sidewalk all over the place. The untapped human potential is huge. Huger than Donald the Fat’s belly by orders magnitude.

  530. @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    I noticed that the touted numbers are on subsidized prices, which seem quite substantially so for wind. Another factor I'm not sure is accounted for is upkeep. There are a lot of wind farms around my general area put up around 10 years or so ago, and the problems have been notable.

    Fiberglass blades have lasted shorter than expected and have needed replacement. I know the head of the trucking company who is making big bucks hauling them half a continent away to be buried in a literal windmill blade graveyard. Concrete foundations have needed repair and reinforcement. Then there is the issue of other breakdowns leading to individual towers being taken offline for months or years until there are enough bad ones to justify bringing the mother of all cranes out necessary to take a power head off or change blades.

    All in all it hasn't impressed me much, and I'm running my home off grid, so I'm not exactly a gas guzzling oil lover.

    Iberdrola (the Spanish energy conglomerate) alone has collected 10 billion in US taxpayer subsidies on wind though, so there is that.

    Speaking of which, they are putting in a massive subsidized 1000 acre solar farm near me, naturally installed by a massive Canadian energy company. Why are they putting up such things in the part of the country that gets fewer days of sun than anywhere else? I guess it fits the current "green" push.
    Again, I'm not opposed to such projects if and where they make sense but there is a lot of shambolic action going on so a politician can get a good photo-op.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Lazards’ unsubsidized, levelized cost of energy should be trying to account for subsidies and degradation of equipment, etc.

    Surely it’s not perfect, but the wind energy is at least cheap now, when wind is going. Problem is it doesn’t have the same steady production, without including storage, as there are days without wind. And storage will increase cost by a lot, if you need to install farms of batteries.

    running my home off grid, so I’m not exactly a gas guzzling oil lover.

    How did you generate energy for running your home offgrid?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    Yes sorry, my initial grumpy rant did not really process the data points. It is a very nicely done set of stats, which I'll save for future reference, so thanks for posting that.

    As you say, storage is the major issue for renewables and barring any breakthroughs will be a tough nut to crack. It's similar with my offgrid PV system. The batteries are a sizable recurring cost and constant maintenance item.

    Overall, I'm just not sure that renewables are as much of a seismic environmental shift as is touted. They seem like an incremental improvement, but hardly a fundamental change.

  531. One benefit of small nuclear power plants is that you could potentially truck them into place quickly and present the Greens with a fait accompli.

  532. CEO of Yandex (this is a search engine which is like a local equivalent of “Google” in Russia) Elena Bunina has emigrated to Israel, apparently being able to avoid international sanctions through some kind of internal office maneuvers . She is a mathematician nerd so you don’t expect sanctions avoiding skills for such people
    https://academy.yandex.com/dataschool/profile/bunina

    Either she is lucky, or some kind of Machiavellian genius, because there is no report she has received international sanctions yet, while her replacement received the sanctions the day after she quit, and he quit immediately as a result.

    She has been CEO of Yandex for last 5 years. The day before EU sanctioned Yandex, she quit as CEO. Then her replacement CEO was appointed, and he received EU sanctions against him (https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/news/2022/04/02/916346-generalnii-direktor-yandeksa). After he received sanctions, he quit Yandex and emigrated from Russia. Then she was default CEO again, and yet still avoided the sanctions, and now parachutes to become HR manager in a Yandex Israel office in Tel Aviv.

    It appears the Machiavellian genius, except that Yandex ecosystem is being limited by sanctions and she doesn’t parachute into a developed Western European country.

    She avoided sanctions, to a comfortable parachuted job, but could be locked in a Middle Eastern country, under threat of Hamas and Hezbollah rockets, ISIS shooting attacks, and life surrounded by millions of Jewish rednecks and Muslim (even more) rednecks.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    She has been CEO of Yandex for last 5 years. The day before EU sanctioned Yandex, she quit as CEO. Then her replacement CEO
     
    Oops sorry I misreported the story in this post (I would ask for edit function to save the accuracy of my posts), as a result of Russian media's articles.

    She was CEO of Yandex LLC while the EU sanctions are against deputy CEO (Tigar Khudaverdyan) of Yandex NV in Netherlands.

    "Khudaverdyan was sanctioned in the EU as an individual. Neither Yandex NV nor any of its subsidiaries have been sanctioned by the United States, EU or Britain." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yandex-director-general-steps-down-130817623.html

    She quit carefully as CEO Yandex LLC one day before the EU sanctions against Tigar Khudaverdyan, so she seems like she had inside information and was trying to avoid possibility of sanctions against her. But nothing is Machiavellian like I had misreported (from reading Russian media), as Yandex is not being sanctioned.

    Tigar Khudaverdyan (deputy CEO of Yandex NV) possibly contributed to increasing probability sanctions against himself, by attending Putin's meeting with business leaders February 24.
    https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/16/russia-yandex-news-vk/

    Replies: @LatW

  533. German_reader says:

    Ukrainian ambassador to Germany (in reference to Ritter Sport still doing business in Russia…apparently their Hitler chocolate is a crucial factor in Russian warmaking capability):

    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there’s no way he’ll face any consequences as long as this war goes on, especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army. And with his comments he’s tapping into a non-trivial segment of German opinion which thinks economic interests are immoral per se (this was already very evident during Corona among lockdown enthusiasts). His main thrust seems to be for an immediate, total gas embargo (which seems misguided even on a pragmatic level, since it’s bound to cause resentment against Ukraine, would be smarter to let the Russians cut off the gas).
    He’s also written an article in Tagesspiegel (“A reckoning”) about German president Steinmeier whom he accuses of being a Russian stooge. I hate Steinmeier for other reasons, but still, I wonder if any ambassador anywhere else has ever done something like this, quite extraordinary behaviour.

    • Replies: @216
    @German_reader

    Pro-Russian sentiment is de-jure illegal in many European countries, and soon to be "de-facto" in the rest.

    Without Kiev as a hostage, where does Russia get the leverage to force sanctions to be lifted?


    pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    Remember what the dead kids pictures did in 2014?

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?), does anybody have any reliable source for this? There is a huge psychological difference in indiscriminate shelling of infrastructure and lined-up executations, even if the ultimate result is the same.

    @LatW


    It’s not. Lukashenko’s position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It’s possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people.
     
    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he's successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. 'Overthrowing' Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don't think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.

    One option that I already mentioned before would’ve been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.
     
    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible. And that's assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn't their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I'm not saying Russia is different in this respect, but it strongly sounds like you're suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of 'democracy', frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you're a Balt so I shouldn't expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end.

    Replies: @216, @LatW, @German_reader, @A123

    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    Donald Trump Threw Starburst Candies at Angela Merkel, Said 'Don't Say I Never Give You Anything'

     

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178

    Replies: @A123

    , @Pro Bono
    @German_reader


    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there’s no way he’ll face any consequences as long as this war goes on,
     
    Worst of all this is that many if not most of those 153 kids and the rest of civilians are dead because of this Ukie Army scumbag policy of taking cover in the cities and firing from residential buildings, policy designed to maximize civilian losses to prompt a Serbia like international intervention, nuclear escalation be damned. And this propagandist knows about all of this very well.

    In spite of all that here you are, moronically advocating for EU countries to keep sending weapons to the scumbag leadership in Ukraine, policy that is gonna keep this very avoidable conflict (and inflation, energy crisis, instability, stream of fake and real refugees and most importantly, risk of a nuclear incident and escalation) going for longer than it should.

    How retarded is that? You often criticize your fellow contrymen as a bunch of retards shooting themselves in the foot, but judging by your policy suggestions in relation to the ongoing conflict, I cannot say you are much different from them. You clearly do not understand what is best for Germany and her population.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Philip Owen

  534. 216 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    Ukrainian ambassador to Germany (in reference to Ritter Sport still doing business in Russia...apparently their Hitler chocolate is a crucial factor in Russian warmaking capability):
    https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij/status/1510297743696273416?cxt=HHwWkIC54fjy0_UpAAAA

    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there's no way he'll face any consequences as long as this war goes on, especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army. And with his comments he's tapping into a non-trivial segment of German opinion which thinks economic interests are immoral per se (this was already very evident during Corona among lockdown enthusiasts). His main thrust seems to be for an immediate, total gas embargo (which seems misguided even on a pragmatic level, since it's bound to cause resentment against Ukraine, would be smarter to let the Russians cut off the gas).
    He's also written an article in Tagesspiegel ("A reckoning") about German president Steinmeier whom he accuses of being a Russian stooge. I hate Steinmeier for other reasons, but still, I wonder if any ambassador anywhere else has ever done something like this, quite extraordinary behaviour.

    Replies: @216, @Yevardian, @songbird, @Pro Bono

    Pro-Russian sentiment is de-jure illegal in many European countries, and soon to be “de-facto” in the rest.

    Without Kiev as a hostage, where does Russia get the leverage to force sanctions to be lifted?

    pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.

    Remember what the dead kids pictures did in 2014?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @216


    Without Kiev as a hostage, where does Russia get the leverage to force sanctions to be lifted?
     
    lol, the sanctions will never be lifted, they'll stay until after all of us commenting here are dead.

    Remember what the dead kids pictures did in 2014?
     
    I don't believe it's all made up, Russian troops probably did commit some kind of war crime (even if Ukraine may exaggerate). But I guess one will have to wait a long time for any serious analysis of what exactly happened there.

    Replies: @216

  535. @Dmitry
    CEO of Yandex (this is a search engine which is like a local equivalent of "Google" in Russia) Elena Bunina has emigrated to Israel, apparently being able to avoid international sanctions through some kind of internal office maneuvers . She is a mathematician nerd so you don't expect sanctions avoiding skills for such people
    https://academy.yandex.com/dataschool/profile/bunina

    Either she is lucky, or some kind of Machiavellian genius, because there is no report she has received international sanctions yet, while her replacement received the sanctions the day after she quit, and he quit immediately as a result.

    She has been CEO of Yandex for last 5 years. The day before EU sanctioned Yandex, she quit as CEO. Then her replacement CEO was appointed, and he received EU sanctions against him (https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/news/2022/04/02/916346-generalnii-direktor-yandeksa). After he received sanctions, he quit Yandex and emigrated from Russia. Then she was default CEO again, and yet still avoided the sanctions, and now parachutes to become HR manager in a Yandex Israel office in Tel Aviv.

    It appears the Machiavellian genius, except that Yandex ecosystem is being limited by sanctions and she doesn't parachute into a developed Western European country.

    She avoided sanctions, to a comfortable parachuted job, but could be locked in a Middle Eastern country, under threat of Hamas and Hezbollah rockets, ISIS shooting attacks, and life surrounded by millions of Jewish rednecks and Muslim (even more) rednecks.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    She has been CEO of Yandex for last 5 years. The day before EU sanctioned Yandex, she quit as CEO. Then her replacement CEO

    Oops sorry I misreported the story in this post (I would ask for edit function to save the accuracy of my posts), as a result of Russian media’s articles.

    She was CEO of Yandex LLC while the EU sanctions are against deputy CEO (Tigar Khudaverdyan) of Yandex NV in Netherlands.

    “Khudaverdyan was sanctioned in the EU as an individual. Neither Yandex NV nor any of its subsidiaries have been sanctioned by the United States, EU or Britain.” https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yandex-director-general-steps-down-130817623.html

    She quit carefully as CEO Yandex LLC one day before the EU sanctions against Tigar Khudaverdyan, so she seems like she had inside information and was trying to avoid possibility of sanctions against her. But nothing is Machiavellian like I had misreported (from reading Russian media), as Yandex is not being sanctioned.

    Tigar Khudaverdyan (deputy CEO of Yandex NV) possibly contributed to increasing probability sanctions against himself, by attending Putin’s meeting with business leaders February 24.
    https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/16/russia-yandex-news-vk/

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry

    Btw, Nevzorov fled to Dubai.
    Sobchak has been in Israel for 2 weeks now.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  536. German_reader says:
    @216
    @German_reader

    Pro-Russian sentiment is de-jure illegal in many European countries, and soon to be "de-facto" in the rest.

    Without Kiev as a hostage, where does Russia get the leverage to force sanctions to be lifted?


    pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    Remember what the dead kids pictures did in 2014?

    Replies: @German_reader

    Without Kiev as a hostage, where does Russia get the leverage to force sanctions to be lifted?

    lol, the sanctions will never be lifted, they’ll stay until after all of us commenting here are dead.

    Remember what the dead kids pictures did in 2014?

    I don’t believe it’s all made up, Russian troops probably did commit some kind of war crime (even if Ukraine may exaggerate). But I guess one will have to wait a long time for any serious analysis of what exactly happened there.

    • Replies: @216
    @German_reader

    It looks far, far worse than anything the US has done in the last 30 years. The reports indicate another Katyn. If true, even I can't oppose the deployment of a NATO peacekeeping mission (which I suspect would confirm a de facto partition).

    Replies: @German_reader

  537. @German_reader
    @216


    Without Kiev as a hostage, where does Russia get the leverage to force sanctions to be lifted?
     
    lol, the sanctions will never be lifted, they'll stay until after all of us commenting here are dead.

    Remember what the dead kids pictures did in 2014?
     
    I don't believe it's all made up, Russian troops probably did commit some kind of war crime (even if Ukraine may exaggerate). But I guess one will have to wait a long time for any serious analysis of what exactly happened there.

    Replies: @216

    It looks far, far worse than anything the US has done in the last 30 years. The reports indicate another Katyn. If true, even I can’t oppose the deployment of a NATO peacekeeping mission (which I suspect would confirm a de facto partition).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @216


    If true, even I can’t oppose the deployment of a NATO peacekeeping mission
     
    Are you deliberately writing stupid comments, or can't you just help it?
    Of course the Russians are doing terrible things in Ukraine, but all the reasons against direct NATO intervention ("peacekeeping mission", lol, as if this were merely a bigger version of Yugoslavia) are still perfectly valid.
    I always found it strange when years ago commenters here went to the greatest mental contortions about how Assad couldn't possibly have ordered use of poison gas, it was all made up...like they implicitly accepted the argument that if he had done so there would be a duty to intervene. Apparently it's too much even for people on a site like this to accept that there's a lot of outright evil in the world, but that there still can be plenty of good arguments not to do a military intervention.

    Replies: @216, @Thulean Friend

  538. German_reader says:
    @216
    @German_reader

    It looks far, far worse than anything the US has done in the last 30 years. The reports indicate another Katyn. If true, even I can't oppose the deployment of a NATO peacekeeping mission (which I suspect would confirm a de facto partition).

    Replies: @German_reader

    If true, even I can’t oppose the deployment of a NATO peacekeeping mission

    Are you deliberately writing stupid comments, or can’t you just help it?
    Of course the Russians are doing terrible things in Ukraine, but all the reasons against direct NATO intervention (“peacekeeping mission”, lol, as if this were merely a bigger version of Yugoslavia) are still perfectly valid.
    I always found it strange when years ago commenters here went to the greatest mental contortions about how Assad couldn’t possibly have ordered use of poison gas, it was all made up…like they implicitly accepted the argument that if he had done so there would be a duty to intervene. Apparently it’s too much even for people on a site like this to accept that there’s a lot of outright evil in the world, but that there still can be plenty of good arguments not to do a military intervention.

    • Replies: @216
    @German_reader


    Of course the Russians are doing terrible things in Ukraine, but all the reasons against direct NATO intervention (“peacekeeping mission”, lol, as if this were merely a bigger version of Yugoslavia) are still perfectly valid.

     

    The US looks weak and feckless after Afghanistan, if we can't restrain the Russians from committing atrocities then I'm not sure that anyone is going to fear us.

    Apparently it’s too much even for people on a site like this to accept that there’s a lot of outright evil in the world, but that there still can be plenty of good arguments not to do a military intervention.
     
    Hundreds (thousands, tends of thousands???) of dead civilians/POWs changes the calculus. Russia lost in 2014 because of MH11. Russia can only win now in 2022 as long as there is a credible anti-war sentiment in the West.

    It might just be gone.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    I always found it strange when years ago commenters here went to the greatest mental contortions about how Assad couldn’t possibly have ordered use of poison gas, it was all made up
     
    For someone claiming to be a dissident, you're still remarkably susceptible to midwit normie propaganda.

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1227350862248468480

    Replies: @German_reader

  539. @Yevardian
    Doubt this to be on anyone's radar or real interest, but it compelled me to comment here early so I could vent.

    Foreign minister Mirzoyan just made statements yesterday all-but-conceding that Armenia is giving up control of Artsakh and its people to the warm embrace of the Azeri post-Soviet Entity. I don't think it needs further elaboration that that conflict is essentially a canary in the coal-mine for the war's ultimate outcome.

    I held back earlier at my level of shock and dismay on Feb 24, I did not think Russia was at all ready for this confrontation, obviously a real war would not just be Ukraine, but the entire West, but I didn't want to be defeatist (I even wanted to make a Gerard-gesture of solidarity to Karlin but his naked power-worship, blithe unconcern for consequences and seethe in the comments was just too much).
    The war did not start well and only seems to be getting worse. American deep-state turned out to still be much more competent than I gave it credit for, Russia's much worse.. its obvious that this war was years if not decades in the making. Ideally Russia could have simply disbainfully ignored Ukraine like Czechia did Slovakia after independence, but of course constant and escalating provocations made that impossible. Russia might have got Ukraine to finally shut up and negotiate in good faith after Crimea chose to leave, but then Strelkov had to get official backing for his cowboy adventure in Donbass... Kremlins somehow managed to get worst of both worlds by keeping a endless low-intensity insurgency, they should have either annexed West of the Dniepr while Ukraine was paralysed, kept Crimea whilst washing their hands of Ukraine forever, or used it as a negotiating chip... I can only conclude at this point Putin really doesn't have any long-term strategy. Maybe if Yeltsin and his scum entourage didn't decide to destroy Primakov after realising he was too popular and competent for their own good, things would have turned out better.

    Ukraine is now destroyed, Russia's economy and international credibility is probably going to be similarly fucked, and it goes without saying relations between the two will be irreparable for at least decades to come.

    Fuck him, fuck Pashinyan for putting faith in the West, fuck Victoria Nuland for the Maidan coup, fuck Zelensky for his false installing false hope while deep-state armed the country for what must be millions, fuck Putin for being dumb and so malinformed enough to fall for such an obvious trap, fuck Karlin for cheerleading for this total fiasco (he openly states he'll abandon Russia instantly if it loses here, like a rat from a sinking ship), fuck everything. Not a very articulate or worthwhile comment I'm sorry, but atm I'm just overwhelmed with disgust and foreboding. I guess China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien I honestly can't really care.

    C'est pire qu'un crime, c'est une faute.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thulean Friend, @songbird, @Dmitry, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    By the way, you will have to forgive me for writing “Tigar Khudaverdyan”. But you have to admit sounds cooler than “Tigran”.

    Armenian settlement in Karabakh has been de facto lost in November 2020.

    Aliev just accepted polite diplomatic solution, in which Azerbaijan surrounds Stepanakert from all sides and controls its only supply corridor.

    In military terms, Azerbaijan already owns all this land now, as if you fully surround a territory and control its only supply corridor, then you are de factor ruler of it.

    I think Armenia territory itself is safe in the military sense, but its threats are from the demographic and mass emigration. As fate has at least temporarily reversed this through sanctions against Russia, now Armenia becomes a destination of Russian immigration.

    China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien

    Who knows about China, but Chinese people individually will become less culturally alien, if China continues economic development. You can see when you meet Chinese people. Older Chinese, more culturally divergent, younger, wealthier Chinese, seem more “Westernized”. People from Taiwan and Hong Kong similarly.

    Putin for being dumb

    I think killing of people, creating of refugees, is more of a condemnation, than “being dumb”. In the end, he might not have any negative consequences personally, so it’s not dumb necessarily from his selfish perspective. He might benefit, increase his position. Decision to invade Ukraine, might be viewed as “clever” (although not “wise”, which implies a moral aspect), if his power increases after this war. But in Ukraine millions of people have negative consequences as result of February 24.

  540. @Yevardian
    @nickels

    As I was listening to this without bothering to watch the video, and in light of recent developments, I actually thought this video was genuine, with a growing sense of unease and dismay (so much it surprised myself) until I looked at it near the end it, noticing a few audio hiccups, and realised it was a fake.
    But whoever wrote this dialogue did an excellent job, it contains exactly the sort of face-saving phrases Putin or any other leader in his place would say in his place, reminded me of Pashinyan's 'not a defeat' speech in 2020 (building up to the ultimate loss of the war, getting his perfume stolen).

    Replies: @nickels

    Yes – The story line was well done.
    I had PTSD flashbacks to Trump cucking over and over and over and over and over.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @nickels

    ROTFL

    In addition to PTSD, you have Alternate Reality Disorder [ARD] You claim to traumatised by something that never happened in this universe.

    PEACE 😇

  541. @German_reader
    Ukrainian ambassador to Germany (in reference to Ritter Sport still doing business in Russia...apparently their Hitler chocolate is a crucial factor in Russian warmaking capability):
    https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij/status/1510297743696273416?cxt=HHwWkIC54fjy0_UpAAAA

    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there's no way he'll face any consequences as long as this war goes on, especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army. And with his comments he's tapping into a non-trivial segment of German opinion which thinks economic interests are immoral per se (this was already very evident during Corona among lockdown enthusiasts). His main thrust seems to be for an immediate, total gas embargo (which seems misguided even on a pragmatic level, since it's bound to cause resentment against Ukraine, would be smarter to let the Russians cut off the gas).
    He's also written an article in Tagesspiegel ("A reckoning") about German president Steinmeier whom he accuses of being a Russian stooge. I hate Steinmeier for other reasons, but still, I wonder if any ambassador anywhere else has ever done something like this, quite extraordinary behaviour.

    Replies: @216, @Yevardian, @songbird, @Pro Bono

    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.

    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?), does anybody have any reliable source for this? There is a huge psychological difference in indiscriminate shelling of infrastructure and lined-up executations, even if the ultimate result is the same.

    It’s not. Lukashenko’s position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It’s possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people.

    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he’s successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. ‘Overthrowing’ Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don’t think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.

    One option that I already mentioned before would’ve been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.

    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible. And that’s assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn’t their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I’m not saying Russia is different in this respect, but it strongly sounds like you’re suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of ‘democracy’, frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you’re a Balt so I shouldn’t expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end.

    • Replies: @216
    @Yevardian


    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible. And that’s assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn’t their vassal, pretty laughable supposition

     

    That's who we are though. We're not going to stop being this way, no matter who is in charge. It is indeed why we are hated, but also why we became great in the first place.

    Anyone can see that I'm critical of the current regime in the US, but I will never stop believing that our way is superior and that our traditions must be restored. Without that, we would be truly adrift, liberalism would run to its untenable conclusion.
    , @LatW
    @Yevardian


    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he’s successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. ‘Overthrowing’ Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don’t think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.
     
    I was not calling on overthrowing Lukashenko, just saying that the other poster's point about trying to neutralize him in one way or another would be something that could be worth trying as his position is not all that stable. By neutralizing I do not mean "overthrowing" or "assassinating" but pressuring him to stay put, which he has done himself anyway in his typical manner (remains to be seen if that continues, read Oleh Zhdanov's warning that Belarus can be used as a staging ground for more missile attacks in the second wave of the offensive). There was a pretty high possibility that they would engage.

    Many in Belarus do not like this and have been sabotaging the Russian movements along the railways. I have never called for armed conflict there, just for restraint, despite their allied relationship with Russia. Do not misconstrue my words. And please understand that if Putin goes, so will Lukashenko. Btw, if Belarusians so fear risking armed conflict, as you say, they should've stayed out of this. Beyond scandalous to even imagine that a Belarusian will strike a Ukrainian.


    Why do you assume that ousting Lukashenko (hypothetical, there is no one there to oust him), would necessarily create a warzone? It would create political turmoil, maybe some civil unrest, maybe annexation by Russia. Certainly, Ukrainians wouldn't be shooting at them in that scenario. It is exactly Belarus' readiness to engage in the war against Ukraine that could prompt Ukraine to strike back and strike hard to teach their inexperienced troops a lesson. Do you realize that Lukashenko has been threatening Ukraine, not vice versa? Hopefully, they saw what goes on in their hospitals (the wounded Russians must be in a horrific state plus all the 200s) and they saw the Russians being pushed out from the suburbs of Kyiv, scorched out literally. I guess that lessened Lukashenko's appetite to go "and get our Ukraine back".

    Btw, I do not appreciate Putin telling Lukashenko that Belarus needs access to the sea (that was on TV recently).

    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible.
     
    It's just a thought experiment. Of course, it's not the most realistic thing at the moment, but why not try? Nothing can be guaranteed, but it could just be a move to make him think for a minute, to put more doubt in him.

    And that’s assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn’t their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I’m not saying Russia is different in this respect
     
    Russia just destroyed the beautiful suburb of Bucha, so no, absolutely, not, Russia does not want peace and stability, it's laughable to even bring this up. You have any idea how much time and resources went into creating all that, a lot of it was newly built! People were finally starting to have a nice life!

    but it strongly sounds like you’re suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of ‘democracy’, frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you’re a Balt so I shouldn’t expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end
     
    .

    Spare your ad hominems. Excuse me, where do I lack nuance? Defending one's nation state and helping against a common enemy is now "grifting"? Ha, you're the one to talk as an Armenian. Do not turn my words around. The Belarusians themselves were on their way to "create another warzone" because of their provocative actions, treacherously using their country as a staging ground for war, shooting missiles towards Volyn, assembling troops and you call me aggressive??

    My position has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Neocons, who might be a thing of yesterday anyway and I'm not really a fan of their agenda, this has little to do with the US at all in fact, this is all between us and them. It's been this way for hundreds of years, way before the US and Neocons even existed. They don't want us to thrive. Or even to exist.

    Beautiful Bucha before the arrival of the Russian world... thankfully, the Ukrainians just regained control of it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNFRxCjQTNc

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    what military purpose could this possibly serve?
     
    There could be many reasons. Maybe Russian troops were frustrated, had taken losses from sniper fire or something similar and suspected the civilians of being irregular combatants. Maybe they thought they were spies. Or maybe Russia really has kill lists of Ukrainians it considers especially hostile. I don't think one can dismiss any of these possibilities out of hand.
    But it will be a long time, if ever, until we know for sure.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @A123
    @Yevardian



    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?),
     
    One side's 18-20 year old troops hear stories (or in modern times, see tik tok) of the other side committing war crimes and then commit their own war crimes. It is highly believable that protected classes (POW's and civilians) have been intentionally targeted, against orders, by small groups on both sides.

    This is a squad/platoon level problem that serves no military purpose. It causes the other side to fight harder and hold out longer. Flag officers do what they can to stop this misbehaviour. Alas, that is not an easy task. Taking a unit "off the line" to discipline them? How can Zelensky discipline misbehaving Azov's?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  542. 216 says: • Website
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?), does anybody have any reliable source for this? There is a huge psychological difference in indiscriminate shelling of infrastructure and lined-up executations, even if the ultimate result is the same.

    @LatW


    It’s not. Lukashenko’s position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It’s possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people.
     
    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he's successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. 'Overthrowing' Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don't think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.

    One option that I already mentioned before would’ve been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.
     
    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible. And that's assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn't their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I'm not saying Russia is different in this respect, but it strongly sounds like you're suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of 'democracy', frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you're a Balt so I shouldn't expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end.

    Replies: @216, @LatW, @German_reader, @A123

    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible. And that’s assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn’t their vassal, pretty laughable supposition

    That’s who we are though. We’re not going to stop being this way, no matter who is in charge. It is indeed why we are hated, but also why we became great in the first place.

    Anyone can see that I’m critical of the current regime in the US, but I will never stop believing that our way is superior and that our traditions must be restored. Without that, we would be truly adrift, liberalism would run to its untenable conclusion.

  543. No details about this yet. I guess the worst possibility on spectrum would be Aliev doing “Ryazan sugar” (afterall, Heydar Aliyev was a head of KGB), while “best possibility”, if you can use this for a tragedy, would be a gas explosion.

  544. 216 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @216


    If true, even I can’t oppose the deployment of a NATO peacekeeping mission
     
    Are you deliberately writing stupid comments, or can't you just help it?
    Of course the Russians are doing terrible things in Ukraine, but all the reasons against direct NATO intervention ("peacekeeping mission", lol, as if this were merely a bigger version of Yugoslavia) are still perfectly valid.
    I always found it strange when years ago commenters here went to the greatest mental contortions about how Assad couldn't possibly have ordered use of poison gas, it was all made up...like they implicitly accepted the argument that if he had done so there would be a duty to intervene. Apparently it's too much even for people on a site like this to accept that there's a lot of outright evil in the world, but that there still can be plenty of good arguments not to do a military intervention.

    Replies: @216, @Thulean Friend

    Of course the Russians are doing terrible things in Ukraine, but all the reasons against direct NATO intervention (“peacekeeping mission”, lol, as if this were merely a bigger version of Yugoslavia) are still perfectly valid.

    The US looks weak and feckless after Afghanistan, if we can’t restrain the Russians from committing atrocities then I’m not sure that anyone is going to fear us.

    Apparently it’s too much even for people on a site like this to accept that there’s a lot of outright evil in the world, but that there still can be plenty of good arguments not to do a military intervention.

    Hundreds (thousands, tends of thousands???) of dead civilians/POWs changes the calculus. Russia lost in 2014 because of MH11. Russia can only win now in 2022 as long as there is a credible anti-war sentiment in the West.

    It might just be gone.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @216


    Hundreds (thousands, tends of thousands???) of dead civilians/POWs changes the calculus.
     
    There is some data that around 3000 women could have been raped in the occupied territories. The siege of Mariupol is also something demonic. There are newborns dying there because of it.

    if we can’t restrain the Russians from committing atrocities then I’m not sure that anyone is going to fear us
     
    It's not so much about "fearing", the status of the US could get eroded and the US would not get invited to the table as much as before, calls would not get answered. However, the US has given unprecedented military help (these Switchblade drones are truly amazing). If those planes had been provided, it could've made a difference, even without a "NATO peacekeeping force", the Ukrainians would do the fighting themselves.
  545. @sudden death
    @Mikel


    I remember how before the war started the “experts” were saying that all those Javelins would be useless because the Russians would obliterate the Ukrainian forces with stand off weapons before actually invading. Instead, the Russian generals decided pretty much to charge directly against the Javelins on multiple fronts…
     
    But wait, there is more to come - it was not some strange coincidence last time when rather big armies were clashing in roughly the same areas the battles are going now, all war participants were trying to start and do all their own biggest ground offensives in summer. Yeah, I mean 1941, 1942,1943 and 1944.

    Right now some country is regrouping and trying to do the biggest and certainly very quick crushing victorious Donbas offensive against the strongest defence lines during coming spring with thawing grounds and soon starting April potential cloudy raining...just after they couldn't finish some offensive against a capital in a place where there were just relatively minor UA forces and no prepared defence lines in advance, lol

    Replies: @Mikel

    Yes, somehow I doubt that plan B will work too well either. Reports coming from the fronts in Donbass don’t paint a rosy picture right now at all: https://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/2132047.html

    But if things get very ugly I guess Russia can always go medieval or decree a full mobilization. Or both, as Strelkov and others keeps demanding. That could possibly lead to WW3, though.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mikel

    Shows why a limited war in Donbass would have been a disaster, feeding troops endlessly in to a frontal assault on a very well fortified narrow front that could be endlessly resupplied. Putin was right to not go with that option.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/eastern-ukraine-frontline-scene/

  546. @German_reader
    Ukrainian ambassador to Germany (in reference to Ritter Sport still doing business in Russia...apparently their Hitler chocolate is a crucial factor in Russian warmaking capability):
    https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij/status/1510297743696273416?cxt=HHwWkIC54fjy0_UpAAAA

    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there's no way he'll face any consequences as long as this war goes on, especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army. And with his comments he's tapping into a non-trivial segment of German opinion which thinks economic interests are immoral per se (this was already very evident during Corona among lockdown enthusiasts). His main thrust seems to be for an immediate, total gas embargo (which seems misguided even on a pragmatic level, since it's bound to cause resentment against Ukraine, would be smarter to let the Russians cut off the gas).
    He's also written an article in Tagesspiegel ("A reckoning") about German president Steinmeier whom he accuses of being a Russian stooge. I hate Steinmeier for other reasons, but still, I wonder if any ambassador anywhere else has ever done something like this, quite extraordinary behaviour.

    Replies: @216, @Yevardian, @songbird, @Pro Bono

    Donald Trump Threw Starburst Candies at Angela Merkel, Said ‘Don’t Say I Never Give You Anything’

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Donald Trump Threw Starburst Candies at Angela Merkel, Said ‘Don’t Say I Never Give You Anything’

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178
     
    The contents of the article contradict the headline:

    put his hand in his pocket, his suit jacket pocket, and he took two Starburst candies out, threw them on the table and said to Merkel, 'Here, Angela. Don't say I never give you anything,'" Bremmer described to CBS.
    ...
    Trump also showed increasing disdain for Merkel, using an internal dispute within her party this week to criticize Germany's immigration policy.
     
    Pelting a foreign leader, even a horrible one, with thrown objects would be inappropriate. However he did not do that, despite the implication of the Fake Stream Media [FSM] headline.

    Wht actually happened... Disrespect shown to someone targeting her own citizens for "Replacement". Add to that, over a decade of refusal to live up to NATO military funding commitments. Trump's contempt shown for Merkel's fecklessness was fully appropriate to the situation.

    Germany as a country cannot even protect its former leaders. (1)

    A pickpocket stole German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s wallet while she was shopping for groceries in Berlin on Thursday.

    Merkel’s wallet was in her handbag which was dangling from her shopping trolley when it was taken, according to German tabloid Bild, which first reported on the incident.

    Berlin police confirmed to the paper that the incident occurred around 11:40 a.m. on Thursday. According to the report, Merkel did not call the police from the store, but went to a nearby police department to report the incident.

    Merkel’s bodyguard, who was accompanying her in the grocery store, was unable to prevent the theft.
     
    Has there been a followup story detailing the ethnicity and/or religion of the thief? Not that I have heard. If the pickpocket was a Christian AfD member the FSM would have been all over the story. The fact that they are not.... Does that imply a Muslim (likely Arab or Africa) illegal?

    So, Merkel has been victimized by the group that Trump questioned and Merkel defended.

    There is a Symmetry To The Universe.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-robbed-in-berlin-supermarket/

    Replies: @songbird, @German_reader

  547. @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?), does anybody have any reliable source for this? There is a huge psychological difference in indiscriminate shelling of infrastructure and lined-up executations, even if the ultimate result is the same.

    @LatW


    It’s not. Lukashenko’s position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It’s possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people.
     
    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he's successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. 'Overthrowing' Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don't think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.

    One option that I already mentioned before would’ve been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.
     
    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible. And that's assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn't their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I'm not saying Russia is different in this respect, but it strongly sounds like you're suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of 'democracy', frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you're a Balt so I shouldn't expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end.

    Replies: @216, @LatW, @German_reader, @A123

    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he’s successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. ‘Overthrowing’ Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don’t think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.

    I was not calling on overthrowing Lukashenko, just saying that the other poster’s point about trying to neutralize him in one way or another would be something that could be worth trying as his position is not all that stable. By neutralizing I do not mean “overthrowing” or “assassinating” but pressuring him to stay put, which he has done himself anyway in his typical manner (remains to be seen if that continues, read Oleh Zhdanov’s warning that Belarus can be used as a staging ground for more missile attacks in the second wave of the offensive). There was a pretty high possibility that they would engage.

    Many in Belarus do not like this and have been sabotaging the Russian movements along the railways. I have never called for armed conflict there, just for restraint, despite their allied relationship with Russia. Do not misconstrue my words. And please understand that if Putin goes, so will Lukashenko. Btw, if Belarusians so fear risking armed conflict, as you say, they should’ve stayed out of this. Beyond scandalous to even imagine that a Belarusian will strike a Ukrainian.

    [MORE]

    Why do you assume that ousting Lukashenko (hypothetical, there is no one there to oust him), would necessarily create a warzone? It would create political turmoil, maybe some civil unrest, maybe annexation by Russia. Certainly, Ukrainians wouldn’t be shooting at them in that scenario. It is exactly Belarus’ readiness to engage in the war against Ukraine that could prompt Ukraine to strike back and strike hard to teach their inexperienced troops a lesson. Do you realize that Lukashenko has been threatening Ukraine, not vice versa? Hopefully, they saw what goes on in their hospitals (the wounded Russians must be in a horrific state plus all the 200s) and they saw the Russians being pushed out from the suburbs of Kyiv, scorched out literally. I guess that lessened Lukashenko’s appetite to go “and get our Ukraine back”.

    Btw, I do not appreciate Putin telling Lukashenko that Belarus needs access to the sea (that was on TV recently).

    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible.

    It’s just a thought experiment. Of course, it’s not the most realistic thing at the moment, but why not try? Nothing can be guaranteed, but it could just be a move to make him think for a minute, to put more doubt in him.

    And that’s assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn’t their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I’m not saying Russia is different in this respect

    Russia just destroyed the beautiful suburb of Bucha, so no, absolutely, not, Russia does not want peace and stability, it’s laughable to even bring this up. You have any idea how much time and resources went into creating all that, a lot of it was newly built! People were finally starting to have a nice life!

    but it strongly sounds like you’re suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of ‘democracy’, frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you’re a Balt so I shouldn’t expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end

    .

    Spare your ad hominems. Excuse me, where do I lack nuance? Defending one’s nation state and helping against a common enemy is now “grifting”? Ha, you’re the one to talk as an Armenian. Do not turn my words around. The Belarusians themselves were on their way to “create another warzone” because of their provocative actions, treacherously using their country as a staging ground for war, shooting missiles towards Volyn, assembling troops and you call me aggressive??

    My position has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Neocons, who might be a thing of yesterday anyway and I’m not really a fan of their agenda, this has little to do with the US at all in fact, this is all between us and them. It’s been this way for hundreds of years, way before the US and Neocons even existed. They don’t want us to thrive. Or even to exist.

    Beautiful Bucha before the arrival of the Russian world… thankfully, the Ukrainians just regained control of it.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Lukashenka...trying to neutralize him in one way or another would be something that could be worth trying
     
    You dance around calling for overthrow of the Minsk government like a weepy teenager. The endless calls in the West to 'replace regimes' in places they don't like is the core aspect of the neo-con ideology. You don't see yourself as a neo-con - maybe even sincerely dislike them - but here you are advocating their main policy. Each country touched by the neo-con idiocy has suffered and turned into a dusty backwater. It is the insane urge to meddle, you suggesting more meddling will have the same results. Even in Minsk.

    Russia just destroyed the beautiful suburb of Bucha, so no, absolutely, not, Russia does not want peace and stability
     
    Ukraine destroyed the beautiful cities of Donbas killing at least 3k civilians. Were any Ukrainians in Bucha bothered by that? We don't know what happened in Bucha - it is a war zone and all sides lie - but it could be a pay-back for what Kiev did to Donetsk. You can go on about "what-aboutism" and how the Buchaites were always for peace, or whatever. The reality is that when you shoot and bomb others with no regard for their civilians, they may eventually turn it at you. That's the tragedy of all wars - the fact that when the enemy is within reach so are you. This is something Kiev should had thought about in all those long triumphalist 8 years. But they didn't.

    Replies: @LatW

  548. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    She has been CEO of Yandex for last 5 years. The day before EU sanctioned Yandex, she quit as CEO. Then her replacement CEO
     
    Oops sorry I misreported the story in this post (I would ask for edit function to save the accuracy of my posts), as a result of Russian media's articles.

    She was CEO of Yandex LLC while the EU sanctions are against deputy CEO (Tigar Khudaverdyan) of Yandex NV in Netherlands.

    "Khudaverdyan was sanctioned in the EU as an individual. Neither Yandex NV nor any of its subsidiaries have been sanctioned by the United States, EU or Britain." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yandex-director-general-steps-down-130817623.html

    She quit carefully as CEO Yandex LLC one day before the EU sanctions against Tigar Khudaverdyan, so she seems like she had inside information and was trying to avoid possibility of sanctions against her. But nothing is Machiavellian like I had misreported (from reading Russian media), as Yandex is not being sanctioned.

    Tigar Khudaverdyan (deputy CEO of Yandex NV) possibly contributed to increasing probability sanctions against himself, by attending Putin's meeting with business leaders February 24.
    https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/16/russia-yandex-news-vk/

    Replies: @LatW

    Btw, Nevzorov fled to Dubai.
    Sobchak has been in Israel for 2 weeks now.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Probably just rumor rather than real emigration? But maybe she would also be able to attain a working visa in Israel, as she has worked with the government in Israel already (she produced advertising for the Ministry of Tourism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQHLSFqtduk.).

    Her father had probably elite friends in Israel. Putin says he himself has fallen in love with Israel as result of leading delegations of Saint-Petersburg Mayor's office to Israel in the 1990s when he working for Sobchak.

    Also a lot of non-Jewish roots celebrities in Russia have vacation houses in Israel just as another place to throw their money. Pugacheva was such an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_lHBfd65lk. But I believe they would still only receive 3 month tourist visas.

    Chulpan Khamatova (an awarded local actress in Moscow) was able to attain a residency visa in Latvia and emigrated there permanently now. But it seems like she has prepared for a decade, buying utopian property in the Latvian countryside. Maybe your neighbor? https://meduza.io/feature/2018/10/26/beslan-nord-ost-i-tochka-nevozvrata

    Replies: @LatW

  549. @216
    @German_reader


    Of course the Russians are doing terrible things in Ukraine, but all the reasons against direct NATO intervention (“peacekeeping mission”, lol, as if this were merely a bigger version of Yugoslavia) are still perfectly valid.

     

    The US looks weak and feckless after Afghanistan, if we can't restrain the Russians from committing atrocities then I'm not sure that anyone is going to fear us.

    Apparently it’s too much even for people on a site like this to accept that there’s a lot of outright evil in the world, but that there still can be plenty of good arguments not to do a military intervention.
     
    Hundreds (thousands, tends of thousands???) of dead civilians/POWs changes the calculus. Russia lost in 2014 because of MH11. Russia can only win now in 2022 as long as there is a credible anti-war sentiment in the West.

    It might just be gone.

    Replies: @LatW

    Hundreds (thousands, tends of thousands???) of dead civilians/POWs changes the calculus.

    There is some data that around 3000 women could have been raped in the occupied territories. The siege of Mariupol is also something demonic. There are newborns dying there because of it.

    if we can’t restrain the Russians from committing atrocities then I’m not sure that anyone is going to fear us

    It’s not so much about “fearing”, the status of the US could get eroded and the US would not get invited to the table as much as before, calls would not get answered. However, the US has given unprecedented military help (these Switchblade drones are truly amazing). If those planes had been provided, it could’ve made a difference, even without a “NATO peacekeeping force”, the Ukrainians would do the fighting themselves.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: Mikhail
  550. Looking like Orban will win, his stance on the Ukraine having boosted him.

    Alexander ‘Boris’ Johnson and Joe Biden continue to slide.

  551. @Mikel
    @sudden death

    Yes, somehow I doubt that plan B will work too well either. Reports coming from the fronts in Donbass don't paint a rosy picture right now at all: https://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/2132047.html

    But if things get very ugly I guess Russia can always go medieval or decree a full mobilization. Or both, as Strelkov and others keeps demanding. That could possibly lead to WW3, though.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Shows why a limited war in Donbass would have been a disaster, feeding troops endlessly in to a frontal assault on a very well fortified narrow front that could be endlessly resupplied. Putin was right to not go with that option.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/eastern-ukraine-frontline-scene/

  552. @German_reader
    Ukrainian ambassador to Germany (in reference to Ritter Sport still doing business in Russia...apparently their Hitler chocolate is a crucial factor in Russian warmaking capability):
    https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij/status/1510297743696273416?cxt=HHwWkIC54fjy0_UpAAAA

    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there's no way he'll face any consequences as long as this war goes on, especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army. And with his comments he's tapping into a non-trivial segment of German opinion which thinks economic interests are immoral per se (this was already very evident during Corona among lockdown enthusiasts). His main thrust seems to be for an immediate, total gas embargo (which seems misguided even on a pragmatic level, since it's bound to cause resentment against Ukraine, would be smarter to let the Russians cut off the gas).
    He's also written an article in Tagesspiegel ("A reckoning") about German president Steinmeier whom he accuses of being a Russian stooge. I hate Steinmeier for other reasons, but still, I wonder if any ambassador anywhere else has ever done something like this, quite extraordinary behaviour.

    Replies: @216, @Yevardian, @songbird, @Pro Bono

    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there’s no way he’ll face any consequences as long as this war goes on,

    Worst of all this is that many if not most of those 153 kids and the rest of civilians are dead because of this Ukie Army scumbag policy of taking cover in the cities and firing from residential buildings, policy designed to maximize civilian losses to prompt a Serbia like international intervention, nuclear escalation be damned. And this propagandist knows about all of this very well.

    In spite of all that here you are, moronically advocating for EU countries to keep sending weapons to the scumbag leadership in Ukraine, policy that is gonna keep this very avoidable conflict (and inflation, energy crisis, instability, stream of fake and real refugees and most importantly, risk of a nuclear incident and escalation) going for longer than it should.

    How retarded is that? You often criticize your fellow contrymen as a bunch of retards shooting themselves in the foot, but judging by your policy suggestions in relation to the ongoing conflict, I cannot say you are much different from them. You clearly do not understand what is best for Germany and her population.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Pro Bono


    scumbag policy of taking cover in the cities and firing from residential buildings
     
    Can't wait for your fiercely righteous condemnation of scumbag Red Army taking cover in Leningrad&Stalingrad, firing from within, starving&destroying inhabiting civilian populations ;)

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Philip Owen
    @Pro Bono

    Sheltering among civilians is entirely the policy of Malofeev's Russian insurgent army in the Donbas. Always has been. Why such moral outrage when its your own side's core policy?

  553. Don’t know hay anyone would be believe the very fake images coming out of Bucha. Bodies in warzones have a lot of blood and are torn up.

    https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1510546598228475905?s=20&t=YFhf0O-ZJ-D_WpDdgPJVWQ

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LondonBob


    Bodies in warzones have a lot of blood and are torn up.
     
    Ever heard of small relatively far flying shrapnels from exploding shells, even smaller than a bullets quite often? Or imagine such an unbelievable miracle as seriously wounded people, who can still move a limb, even if they potentialy can die soon afterwards?

    Replies: @LondonBob

  554. @Pro Bono
    @German_reader


    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there’s no way he’ll face any consequences as long as this war goes on,
     
    Worst of all this is that many if not most of those 153 kids and the rest of civilians are dead because of this Ukie Army scumbag policy of taking cover in the cities and firing from residential buildings, policy designed to maximize civilian losses to prompt a Serbia like international intervention, nuclear escalation be damned. And this propagandist knows about all of this very well.

    In spite of all that here you are, moronically advocating for EU countries to keep sending weapons to the scumbag leadership in Ukraine, policy that is gonna keep this very avoidable conflict (and inflation, energy crisis, instability, stream of fake and real refugees and most importantly, risk of a nuclear incident and escalation) going for longer than it should.

    How retarded is that? You often criticize your fellow contrymen as a bunch of retards shooting themselves in the foot, but judging by your policy suggestions in relation to the ongoing conflict, I cannot say you are much different from them. You clearly do not understand what is best for Germany and her population.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Philip Owen

    scumbag policy of taking cover in the cities and firing from residential buildings

    Can’t wait for your fiercely righteous condemnation of scumbag Red Army taking cover in Leningrad&Stalingrad, firing from within, starving&destroying inhabiting civilian populations 😉

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Also thunderous condemnation should follow for fukin allies sending food supplies and lend lease weapons to scumbag commie leadership, policy that kept very avoidable conflict in Lebensraum East zone going for longer than it should have been going!

  555. @sudden death
    @Pro Bono


    scumbag policy of taking cover in the cities and firing from residential buildings
     
    Can't wait for your fiercely righteous condemnation of scumbag Red Army taking cover in Leningrad&Stalingrad, firing from within, starving&destroying inhabiting civilian populations ;)

    Replies: @sudden death

    Also thunderous condemnation should follow for fukin allies sending food supplies and lend lease weapons to scumbag commie leadership, policy that kept very avoidable conflict in Lebensraum East zone going for longer than it should have been going!

  556. @LondonBob
    Don't know hay anyone would be believe the very fake images coming out of Bucha. Bodies in warzones have a lot of blood and are torn up.

    https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1510546598228475905?s=20&t=YFhf0O-ZJ-D_WpDdgPJVWQ

    Replies: @sudden death

    Bodies in warzones have a lot of blood and are torn up.

    Ever heard of small relatively far flying shrapnels from exploding shells, even smaller than a bullets quite often? Or imagine such an unbelievable miracle as seriously wounded people, who can still move a limb, even if they potentialy can die soon afterwards?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Yes, I discounted that for obvious reasons.

    Anyway what does that have to do with a supposed corpse moving its arm and then sitting up?

    Replies: @sudden death

  557. @sudden death
    @LondonBob


    Bodies in warzones have a lot of blood and are torn up.
     
    Ever heard of small relatively far flying shrapnels from exploding shells, even smaller than a bullets quite often? Or imagine such an unbelievable miracle as seriously wounded people, who can still move a limb, even if they potentialy can die soon afterwards?

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Yes, I discounted that for obvious reasons.

    Anyway what does that have to do with a supposed corpse moving its arm and then sitting up?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Can't see "sitting up" part very well at all, but lack of much visible blood and some movements are absolutely natural in case of small yet incapacitating shrapnel wounds and potentially serious inner bleeding, without coming very instant/permanent loss of consciousness or death.

    Ofc in this particular video those people lying in the street at the open are way more likely to be civilian victims of ongoing street battles like in Mariupol, than some deliberate massacre.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  558. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?), does anybody have any reliable source for this? There is a huge psychological difference in indiscriminate shelling of infrastructure and lined-up executations, even if the ultimate result is the same.

    @LatW


    It’s not. Lukashenko’s position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It’s possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people.
     
    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he's successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. 'Overthrowing' Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don't think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.

    One option that I already mentioned before would’ve been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.
     
    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible. And that's assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn't their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I'm not saying Russia is different in this respect, but it strongly sounds like you're suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of 'democracy', frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you're a Balt so I shouldn't expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end.

    Replies: @216, @LatW, @German_reader, @A123

    what military purpose could this possibly serve?

    There could be many reasons. Maybe Russian troops were frustrated, had taken losses from sniper fire or something similar and suspected the civilians of being irregular combatants. Maybe they thought they were spies. Or maybe Russia really has kill lists of Ukrainians it considers especially hostile. I don’t think one can dismiss any of these possibilities out of hand.
    But it will be a long time, if ever, until we know for sure.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    I think you can dismiss them, that you don't reflects your prejudices. Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage. Everything I have seen so far is the Russian Army has operated well within the laws of war, at a cost of increased losses.

    The ones I have seen, and I tried to avoid such things, look fake because they are fake. Gonzalo Lira got banned from twitter for pointing out a couple of fakes were all filmed with the same background but from different angles, you can see it on his telegram account.

    I don't doubt unpleasant things will happen but they will be directed at the paramilitary forces. As for the Ukrainians I have seen ample evidence of atrocities directed at civilians, as is almost always the case when paramilitary, rather than professional, forces are utilised. In that Wapo article I link to it says 550 suspected collaborators have been arrested in the Donbass for supposed treason, what happened after they were arrested, it does not say?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Philip Owen

  559. @German_reader
    @216


    If true, even I can’t oppose the deployment of a NATO peacekeeping mission
     
    Are you deliberately writing stupid comments, or can't you just help it?
    Of course the Russians are doing terrible things in Ukraine, but all the reasons against direct NATO intervention ("peacekeeping mission", lol, as if this were merely a bigger version of Yugoslavia) are still perfectly valid.
    I always found it strange when years ago commenters here went to the greatest mental contortions about how Assad couldn't possibly have ordered use of poison gas, it was all made up...like they implicitly accepted the argument that if he had done so there would be a duty to intervene. Apparently it's too much even for people on a site like this to accept that there's a lot of outright evil in the world, but that there still can be plenty of good arguments not to do a military intervention.

    Replies: @216, @Thulean Friend

    I always found it strange when years ago commenters here went to the greatest mental contortions about how Assad couldn’t possibly have ordered use of poison gas, it was all made up

    For someone claiming to be a dissident, you’re still remarkably susceptible to midwit normie propaganda.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend

    I don't care either way if Assad used poison gas or not, toppling his regime would still have been wrong even if he did.
    And lol, it's not like you can evaluate these matters, you're just following some journalists on Twitter like Mate or Michael Tracey, who may also get things wrong occasionally or have their own agenda.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  560. You will see Putin is genuinely playing the long game when the Yellow Vests and their German counterparts pin the exorbitant gas prices on Klaus Schwab.

    There could be “domestic terrorism”, and then popular revolt down the road, where the new government adopts New Right ideology and works with Putin to build the Brest-to-Vladivostok archeofuturist vision.

  561. @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Yes, I discounted that for obvious reasons.

    Anyway what does that have to do with a supposed corpse moving its arm and then sitting up?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Can’t see “sitting up” part very well at all, but lack of much visible blood and some movements are absolutely natural in case of small yet incapacitating shrapnel wounds and potentially serious inner bleeding, without coming very instant/permanent loss of consciousness or death.

    Ofc in this particular video those people lying in the street at the open are way more likely to be civilian victims of ongoing street battles like in Mariupol, than some deliberate massacre.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    The way they are laid out and bound indicates executions. But they are not in a pile or rounded up. Simply spread out making the cars have to slalom on the road. I guess they might have been dumped off the back of a truck as they were shot.

    But by who? Retreating Russians or advancing Ukrainians getting rid of collaborators? It’s well within their MO to dispose of locals sympathetic to Russia, or those deemed to have been too cooperative. The VDV might have been doing reprisals and hostages but do they have a record of this? What police units did the Russians bring? Might they have been executing resistance fighters?

    Replies: @LatW

  562. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    what military purpose could this possibly serve?
     
    There could be many reasons. Maybe Russian troops were frustrated, had taken losses from sniper fire or something similar and suspected the civilians of being irregular combatants. Maybe they thought they were spies. Or maybe Russia really has kill lists of Ukrainians it considers especially hostile. I don't think one can dismiss any of these possibilities out of hand.
    But it will be a long time, if ever, until we know for sure.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    I think you can dismiss them, that you don’t reflects your prejudices. Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage. Everything I have seen so far is the Russian Army has operated well within the laws of war, at a cost of increased losses.

    The ones I have seen, and I tried to avoid such things, look fake because they are fake. Gonzalo Lira got banned from twitter for pointing out a couple of fakes were all filmed with the same background but from different angles, you can see it on his telegram account.

    I don’t doubt unpleasant things will happen but they will be directed at the paramilitary forces. As for the Ukrainians I have seen ample evidence of atrocities directed at civilians, as is almost always the case when paramilitary, rather than professional, forces are utilised. In that Wapo article I link to it says 550 suspected collaborators have been arrested in the Donbass for supposed treason, what happened after they were arrested, it does not say?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage.
     
    There's enough evidence from 20th century wars to the contrary. Like Belgium in 1914. The Americans probably also committed massacres in Korea, it's just that much of it was covered up. Vietnam had My Lai (and maybe other similar incidents). And no, that didn't cause universal outrage, in fact there were even sympathetic songs (Ballad of Lt Calley). So I don't think one can dismiss the possibility that frustrated Russian troops, who've been told they're fighting "Banderite" and "Nazi" scum, would lash out in an atrocity. Did Russian troops in Chechnya care much about protecting the lives of civilians? Or maybe it's something even more sinister with involvement of Russian intelligence services. But as I wrote above, it will be a long time until we know, if ever.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @for-the-record, @Wokechoke

    , @Philip Owen
    @LondonBob

    The Russian army is not a professional army in the modern sense. It is built on a foundation of bullying and corruption. NCOs barely exist. Badly led, demoralized, beaten, hungry troops on the retreat might well do this to civilians (My Lai anyone?). They might have resented them for not welcoming them, they might have resented them for perhaps concealing food ...

  563. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    I always found it strange when years ago commenters here went to the greatest mental contortions about how Assad couldn’t possibly have ordered use of poison gas, it was all made up
     
    For someone claiming to be a dissident, you're still remarkably susceptible to midwit normie propaganda.

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1227350862248468480

    Replies: @German_reader

    I don’t care either way if Assad used poison gas or not, toppling his regime would still have been wrong even if he did.
    And lol, it’s not like you can evaluate these matters, you’re just following some journalists on Twitter like Mate or Michael Tracey, who may also get things wrong occasionally or have their own agenda.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    it’s not like you can evaluate these matters
     
    Let's focus on the Douma incident since I brought it up. The alleged attack happened in 2018, at a point in which Assad had routed virtually all his opposition.

    It beggars belief that he would use a chemical attack when his victory was all but assured, only to give his enemies a casus belli to intervene even more on the side of the jihadists.

    This logic is elementary, but apparently it's beyond you to grasp it.

    And of course, this ignores the fact that OPCW staff were silenced when they protested the cover-up, something which Maté has been covering better than any single mainstream journalist that I know of.

    As I said, you have remarkable midwit normie-tier tendencies despite your pretensions.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya

  564. German_reader says:
    @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    I think you can dismiss them, that you don't reflects your prejudices. Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage. Everything I have seen so far is the Russian Army has operated well within the laws of war, at a cost of increased losses.

    The ones I have seen, and I tried to avoid such things, look fake because they are fake. Gonzalo Lira got banned from twitter for pointing out a couple of fakes were all filmed with the same background but from different angles, you can see it on his telegram account.

    I don't doubt unpleasant things will happen but they will be directed at the paramilitary forces. As for the Ukrainians I have seen ample evidence of atrocities directed at civilians, as is almost always the case when paramilitary, rather than professional, forces are utilised. In that Wapo article I link to it says 550 suspected collaborators have been arrested in the Donbass for supposed treason, what happened after they were arrested, it does not say?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Philip Owen

    Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage.

    There’s enough evidence from 20th century wars to the contrary. Like Belgium in 1914. The Americans probably also committed massacres in Korea, it’s just that much of it was covered up. Vietnam had My Lai (and maybe other similar incidents). And no, that didn’t cause universal outrage, in fact there were even sympathetic songs (Ballad of Lt Calley). So I don’t think one can dismiss the possibility that frustrated Russian troops, who’ve been told they’re fighting “Banderite” and “Nazi” scum, would lash out in an atrocity. Did Russian troops in Chechnya care much about protecting the lives of civilians? Or maybe it’s something even more sinister with involvement of Russian intelligence services. But as I wrote above, it will be a long time until we know, if ever.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Sure the Germans massacred some Belgian civilians in 1914, Korea was certainly an anomaly, a pretty nasty war in general, but even in Vietnam My Lai was an exception, the US Army become less professional after McNamara's morons and allowing criminals to enlist in lieu of prison.

    I saw some civilians attempting to attack Russians troops with molotov cocktails got gunned down in Kherson, such things are well within the laws of war, egging on such things is the reprehensible behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1510530127813398530?s=20&t=dTQBeFSqRZQ4Vw3ssNvKVA

    Interesting thread, was Das Reich predominantly Ukrainian? At least on the Western Front such occurrences were very rare.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    The Americans probably also committed massacres in Korea

    Probably?

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/11/belated-american-apology-for-korean-war-massacre/

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Ron Unz

  565. @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage.
     
    There's enough evidence from 20th century wars to the contrary. Like Belgium in 1914. The Americans probably also committed massacres in Korea, it's just that much of it was covered up. Vietnam had My Lai (and maybe other similar incidents). And no, that didn't cause universal outrage, in fact there were even sympathetic songs (Ballad of Lt Calley). So I don't think one can dismiss the possibility that frustrated Russian troops, who've been told they're fighting "Banderite" and "Nazi" scum, would lash out in an atrocity. Did Russian troops in Chechnya care much about protecting the lives of civilians? Or maybe it's something even more sinister with involvement of Russian intelligence services. But as I wrote above, it will be a long time until we know, if ever.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @for-the-record, @Wokechoke

    Sure the Germans massacred some Belgian civilians in 1914, Korea was certainly an anomaly, a pretty nasty war in general, but even in Vietnam My Lai was an exception, the US Army become less professional after McNamara’s morons and allowing criminals to enlist in lieu of prison.

    I saw some civilians attempting to attack Russians troops with molotov cocktails got gunned down in Kherson, such things are well within the laws of war, egging on such things is the reprehensible behaviour.

    Interesting thread, was Das Reich predominantly Ukrainian? At least on the Western Front such occurrences were very rare.

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    was Das Reich predominantly Ukrainian?
     
    I think that's total bs, as far as I know they were all Germans and Alsatians, not sure why the former French intelligence chief would claim something like that. iirc there were Ukrainians in some German-led units in France, but they weren't enthusiastic, had a bad relationship with their German officers and often deserted at the first opportunity.
    , @Yellowface Anon
    @LondonBob

    There's no surprise Blinken and the like will chastize the China foreign ministry for saying what top strategic thinkers have been saying. The truth that both Ukrainians and Russians have blood on their hands is inconvenient.

    , @Wokechoke
    @LondonBob

    Das Reich Division is lauded by the local Ukrainians because they drove the Soviets out in the 3rd Battle of Kharkov. I’d guess that the Germans had an easier time of it because local Ukrainians at the time supported Germany. Currently the military map actually resembles the map Manstein and Popov were contesting. Izyum features heavily in the operation. The main trouble with the Ukrainians imho is the speed with which they deployed auxiliary police to murder undesirables once the Soviets were driven out. Be they Pole, Russian, Jewish etc. Their secret police networks infiltrated by ultra nationalists is frightful.

    https://www.uawardata.com/

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @LondonBob

    The Americans committed a massacre against German POWs here--


    George S. Pattons' war diary entry from January 4, 1945. Regarding the Chenogne massacre on January 1, 1945 Patton noted: "Also murdered 50 odd German med [sic]. I hope we can conceal this."

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenogne_massacre

    The British were the first to use concentration camps, 1899–1902

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps

    The Germans, who would use it later on the Hereros, claims that the term was invented by Kitchener,

    The term "concentration camp" was first used officially in the German-speaking world in 1904/05 to designate internment and transit camps for Herero and Nama prisoners. This term was "invented" or coined by the British field marshal and politician Herbert Kitchener, 1st Earl Kitchener: During the Second Boer War against the Boers of Dutch origin in South Africa around 1900, the women and children of the Boer population there, who were considered potential enemies, were in camps, which were officially designated as concentration camps, were grouped together and interned.

     

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_in_Deutsch-Südwestafrika

    Replies: @German_reader, @S

  566. German_reader says:
    @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Sure the Germans massacred some Belgian civilians in 1914, Korea was certainly an anomaly, a pretty nasty war in general, but even in Vietnam My Lai was an exception, the US Army become less professional after McNamara's morons and allowing criminals to enlist in lieu of prison.

    I saw some civilians attempting to attack Russians troops with molotov cocktails got gunned down in Kherson, such things are well within the laws of war, egging on such things is the reprehensible behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1510530127813398530?s=20&t=dTQBeFSqRZQ4Vw3ssNvKVA

    Interesting thread, was Das Reich predominantly Ukrainian? At least on the Western Front such occurrences were very rare.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    was Das Reich predominantly Ukrainian?

    I think that’s total bs, as far as I know they were all Germans and Alsatians, not sure why the former French intelligence chief would claim something like that. iirc there were Ukrainians in some German-led units in France, but they weren’t enthusiastic, had a bad relationship with their German officers and often deserted at the first opportunity.

  567. @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Sure the Germans massacred some Belgian civilians in 1914, Korea was certainly an anomaly, a pretty nasty war in general, but even in Vietnam My Lai was an exception, the US Army become less professional after McNamara's morons and allowing criminals to enlist in lieu of prison.

    I saw some civilians attempting to attack Russians troops with molotov cocktails got gunned down in Kherson, such things are well within the laws of war, egging on such things is the reprehensible behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1510530127813398530?s=20&t=dTQBeFSqRZQ4Vw3ssNvKVA

    Interesting thread, was Das Reich predominantly Ukrainian? At least on the Western Front such occurrences were very rare.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    There’s no surprise Blinken and the like will chastize the China foreign ministry for saying what top strategic thinkers have been saying. The truth that both Ukrainians and Russians have blood on their hands is inconvenient.

  568. https://faridaily.substack.com/p/now-were-going-to-fck-them-all-whats

    Just as what RWA and AK said.

    “all of this has made many Russians think that the whole world is against them, and this makes them behave in a certain way.”

  569. @Ron Unz
    Instead of continuing disputes over which side is winning the war, here's a broader question, especially directed towards the several Ukrainian partisans on this thread...

    Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney, and a few other analysts have argued that America may have deliberately provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping to use it to eliminate the former's growing economic ties with Germany and the rest of Europe in what was becoming an economically unified Eurasia. Maybe that's correct, and if so, perhaps the invasion has benefited America, or at least some people thought it would.

    But I can't see any way the invasion and the war benefit Ukraine, even if (by some miracle) the Ukrainians mostly win and force the Russians out. No matter what happens, there's a great deal of death and destruction in Ukraine, ending in (probably) a strong Russian victory, which leads to far greater Russian control over the entire country. So it's bad for Ukraine, regardless of what happens.

    Now based upon all the Russian statements over the last few years and in the opinion of numerous American experts, the Russians wanted a neutral Ukraine what wouldn't become part of NATO, wouldn't have a strong military, and would agree to give local autonomy to the Donbas enclaves as had been promised in the Minsk agreements, plus maybe stopping government policies against the Russian language. Let's assume that this is correct and agreeing to these conditions would have averted the Russian invasion.

    So offhand, wasn't the stubbornness of the Ukrainian government on these points a very bad idea? Wouldn't it have been much better to just give in on those points and avert an invasion and war?

    I realize that many might argue otherwise based upon national pride or legal independence. However, although Cuba has the perfect right under international law to host a Russian missile base, if the Cubans knew it would lead to an American invasion, they probably wouldn't do it.

    In hindsight, shouldn't the Ukrainians have made those concessions to Russia?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @cortesar, @A123, @iffen, @Brás Cubas, @AP, @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Wizard of Oz

    In your tentative probabilistic assess.ent (as such a good example to UR threadsters) do you think you’ve given enough weight to what is increasingly emerging about Putin’s peculiarities. I include the evidence of his illness ad the real possibility that its treatment is affecting his mind and overt behaviour. Also his repeated mischarecterisation of Russian and Ukrainian history, his refusal to acknowledge that the vast majority of Ukrainians, including the Russian speaking majority identify as Ukrainian and – if only because they haven’t been inundated with Russian propaganda from a censored media – have very different attitudes to free enterprise and state ownership, for example.
    He doesn’t resiled at all from denying Ukraine is a real country (yet Russia is!!?).

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @iffen
    @Wizard of Oz

    Also his repeated mischarecterisation of Russian and Ukrainian history

    Apparently, you do not understand history and its uses.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz

  570. • Thanks: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Previously posted wrong link without ability to enlarge, the same map of April 2 in detail:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg

  571. https://www.uawardata.com/

    Approximate Russian positions to brigade level. BTG also indicated.

  572. @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Sure the Germans massacred some Belgian civilians in 1914, Korea was certainly an anomaly, a pretty nasty war in general, but even in Vietnam My Lai was an exception, the US Army become less professional after McNamara's morons and allowing criminals to enlist in lieu of prison.

    I saw some civilians attempting to attack Russians troops with molotov cocktails got gunned down in Kherson, such things are well within the laws of war, egging on such things is the reprehensible behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1510530127813398530?s=20&t=dTQBeFSqRZQ4Vw3ssNvKVA

    Interesting thread, was Das Reich predominantly Ukrainian? At least on the Western Front such occurrences were very rare.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yellowface Anon, @Wokechoke, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Das Reich Division is lauded by the local Ukrainians because they drove the Soviets out in the 3rd Battle of Kharkov. I’d guess that the Germans had an easier time of it because local Ukrainians at the time supported Germany. Currently the military map actually resembles the map Manstein and Popov were contesting. Izyum features heavily in the operation. The main trouble with the Ukrainians imho is the speed with which they deployed auxiliary police to murder undesirables once the Soviets were driven out. Be they Pole, Russian, Jewish etc. Their secret police networks infiltrated by ultra nationalists is frightful.

    https://www.uawardata.com/

  573. @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Can't see "sitting up" part very well at all, but lack of much visible blood and some movements are absolutely natural in case of small yet incapacitating shrapnel wounds and potentially serious inner bleeding, without coming very instant/permanent loss of consciousness or death.

    Ofc in this particular video those people lying in the street at the open are way more likely to be civilian victims of ongoing street battles like in Mariupol, than some deliberate massacre.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The way they are laid out and bound indicates executions. But they are not in a pile or rounded up. Simply spread out making the cars have to slalom on the road. I guess they might have been dumped off the back of a truck as they were shot.

    But by who? Retreating Russians or advancing Ukrainians getting rid of collaborators? It’s well within their MO to dispose of locals sympathetic to Russia, or those deemed to have been too cooperative. The VDV might have been doing reprisals and hostages but do they have a record of this? What police units did the Russians bring? Might they have been executing resistance fighters?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    Might they have been executing resistance fighters?
     
    It's the same old Russian MO, no surprises there at all (they did the same in the 1940s). It's what they meant by "denazification" (or "depatriotization" rather). They were scouring the neighborhoods for any men (or whole families) that showed any sign that they would resist the occupation or rather any sign that they are pro-Ukrainian (as is normal in their own home). For instance, there was a case where they walked into somebody's home and saw a Ukrainian flag displayed and started harassing that person, asking why they have so much simvolika (symbols, coat of arms, etc) on display (a normal thing for any freedom loving person to cherish their country's flag). So it is clear that they are rounding up men, trying to prevent whoever would resist the occupation or even just primitive robbery and rape (which is a normal, healthy instinct). Imagine an armed stranger from a hostile foreign country walks into your home and starts interrogating you about why you have this or that item in your home... or just shooting random men, it looked like there were some victims near a construction site where some townhomes were being built.



    There are also worse things, like reports of rape of underage girls in front of their mothers, which I'm really hoping is not true, but it's within the realm of possibility. It's not some revenge by undisciplined soldiers, this is systematic intimidation. The hope was to break the resistance but the resistance turned out overall much more serious than expected. That you don't see these basic things is stunning, rather you're just refusing to see them.

    Irpin' before the invasion... very cozy place by EE standards, life was starting to get really good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW45S0M3Bqo&t=595s

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  574. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend

    I don't care either way if Assad used poison gas or not, toppling his regime would still have been wrong even if he did.
    And lol, it's not like you can evaluate these matters, you're just following some journalists on Twitter like Mate or Michael Tracey, who may also get things wrong occasionally or have their own agenda.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    it’s not like you can evaluate these matters

    Let’s focus on the Douma incident since I brought it up. The alleged attack happened in 2018, at a point in which Assad had routed virtually all his opposition.

    It beggars belief that he would use a chemical attack when his victory was all but assured, only to give his enemies a casus belli to intervene even more on the side of the jihadists.

    This logic is elementary, but apparently it’s beyond you to grasp it.

    And of course, this ignores the fact that OPCW staff were silenced when they protested the cover-up, something which Maté has been covering better than any single mainstream journalist that I know of.

    As I said, you have remarkable midwit normie-tier tendencies despite your pretensions.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend

    It's certainly possible that Western intelligence services concocted the entire poison gas story. My point was quite simply that it shouldn't matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse. Insisting that it was all made up is in a way already an implicit concession to the logic of "humanitarian" intervention. It shouldn't matter either way.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @Yahya
    @Thulean Friend


    Let’s focus on the Douma incident since I brought it up. The alleged attack happened in 2018, at a point in which Assad had routed virtually all his opposition. It beggars belief that he would use a chemical attack when his victory was all but assured, only to give his enemies a casus belli to intervene even more on the side of the jihadists. This logic is elementary, but apparently it’s beyond you to grasp it.
     
    Attribute substitution. The fundamental question is "did Assad use chemicals weapons in April 2018?", not "was it logical for him to do so?". Decisions to use force aren't necessarily made on purely logical basis. Further, decision makers make plenty of errors in the military sphere. The Russian invasion of Ukraine should have reinforced this notion.

    To ascertain whether Assad really did use chemicals weapons requires a diligent study of all facts involved in the matter, and a careful weighing of the veracity of such evidence. Doing all this is very difficult for the average observer, but is necessary if you want to determine the truth, as opposed to validating pre-existing priors.

    I don't have the time nor inclination to go through thousand-page reports on the use of chemicals agents, so I'm not going to make a judgement. But it's not outside the realm of possibility that he did use chemicals weapons, and it's also possible that the whole episode was concocted by Western agencies.


    My point was quite simply that it shouldn’t matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse

     

    Re, Western intervention: The missile strikes were limited in scope and were not intended on toppling the Assad regime. The Washington Post wrote a story subsequent to the attack stating that Assad was happy that the strikes were limited as it demonstrated the West no longer prioritized his removal. All in all, I think some degree of humanitarian intervention is preferable if they are limited in scope and can deter egregious violations of human rights. In other words, I think limited missile strikes against weapon facilities is the correct response to use of chemical weapons. They are certainly far more rational and effective than arming Jihadi groups to topple a secular regime in the Middle East.
  575. @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage.
     
    There's enough evidence from 20th century wars to the contrary. Like Belgium in 1914. The Americans probably also committed massacres in Korea, it's just that much of it was covered up. Vietnam had My Lai (and maybe other similar incidents). And no, that didn't cause universal outrage, in fact there were even sympathetic songs (Ballad of Lt Calley). So I don't think one can dismiss the possibility that frustrated Russian troops, who've been told they're fighting "Banderite" and "Nazi" scum, would lash out in an atrocity. Did Russian troops in Chechnya care much about protecting the lives of civilians? Or maybe it's something even more sinister with involvement of Russian intelligence services. But as I wrote above, it will be a long time until we know, if ever.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @for-the-record, @Wokechoke

    The Americans probably also committed massacres in Korea

    Probably?

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/11/belated-american-apology-for-korean-war-massacre/

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @for-the-record

    iirc the whole issue emerged only in the 1990s, and by then it was very hard to find out what exactly had happened (because a lot had probably been covered up).
    Anyway, my point just was that "professional" soldiers often do kill civilians in wartime, it's not automatic, but hardly unheard of either.

  576. @nickels
    @Yevardian

    Yes - The story line was well done.
    I had PTSD flashbacks to Trump cucking over and over and over and over and over.

    Replies: @A123

    ROTFL

    In addition to PTSD, you have Alternate Reality Disorder [ARD] You claim to traumatised by something that never happened in this universe.

    PEACE 😇

  577. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    it’s not like you can evaluate these matters
     
    Let's focus on the Douma incident since I brought it up. The alleged attack happened in 2018, at a point in which Assad had routed virtually all his opposition.

    It beggars belief that he would use a chemical attack when his victory was all but assured, only to give his enemies a casus belli to intervene even more on the side of the jihadists.

    This logic is elementary, but apparently it's beyond you to grasp it.

    And of course, this ignores the fact that OPCW staff were silenced when they protested the cover-up, something which Maté has been covering better than any single mainstream journalist that I know of.

    As I said, you have remarkable midwit normie-tier tendencies despite your pretensions.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya

    It’s certainly possible that Western intelligence services concocted the entire poison gas story. My point was quite simply that it shouldn’t matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse. Insisting that it was all made up is in a way already an implicit concession to the logic of “humanitarian” intervention. It shouldn’t matter either way.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    It’s certainly possible that Western intelligence services concocted the entire poison gas story.
     
    So we seem to be closer to an agreement.

    My point was quite simply that it shouldn’t matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse. Insisting that it was all made up is in a way already an implicit concession to the logic of “humanitarian” intervention. It shouldn’t matter either way.
     
    This is a separate argument. I strongly disagree with this logic because if Assad had in fact been using chemical attacks on a civilian population then a humanitarian intervention would be morally justified.

    But that's precisely why the cynical creeps who run the Western Deep State use these kinds of false flag attacks, and why someone like Assad is rational enough to avoid giving them the excuse. So they manufacture one for themselves. In addition, such an intervention would also require liquidating the jihadist scum, but we all know the West would never do that. That's why I don't support these interventions de facto, but that's a seperate argument from the principle.

    The Syrian gas attack hoax reminds me of the "think of the Afghan girls" propaganda even as they give space to roam for literal child paedophiles. Or how Afghanistan is now being starved - intentionally - by those who professed to care for its future.

    Replies: @German_reader, @216

  578. German_reader says:
    @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    The Americans probably also committed massacres in Korea

    Probably?

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/11/belated-american-apology-for-korean-war-massacre/

    Replies: @German_reader

    iirc the whole issue emerged only in the 1990s, and by then it was very hard to find out what exactly had happened (because a lot had probably been covered up).
    Anyway, my point just was that “professional” soldiers often do kill civilians in wartime, it’s not automatic, but hardly unheard of either.

  579. A123 says: • Website
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?), does anybody have any reliable source for this? There is a huge psychological difference in indiscriminate shelling of infrastructure and lined-up executations, even if the ultimate result is the same.

    @LatW


    It’s not. Lukashenko’s position is precarious. The support among Belarusians to enter the war on the Ukrainian territory and murder Ukrainians is not that high. There were fears a couple of days ago that Belarusian troops could attack from the north any day now, that rockets could be fired toward Western Ukraine from Belarus. It’s possible that Putin was hoping to lean on them. But Lukashenko has stalled. The Belarusian troops are not experienced, if they were to enter battle, they should be given a quick blow so they understand their mistake. In that scenario, Lukashenko would be under a lot of pressure from his own people.
     
    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he's successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. 'Overthrowing' Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don't think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.

    One option that I already mentioned before would’ve been for the West to offer Lukashenko security guarantees. Do not enter the war and you will be spared in the future.
     
    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible. And that's assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn't their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I'm not saying Russia is different in this respect, but it strongly sounds like you're suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of 'democracy', frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you're a Balt so I shouldn't expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end.

    Replies: @216, @LatW, @German_reader, @A123

    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.

    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?),

    One side’s 18-20 year old troops hear stories (or in modern times, see tik tok) of the other side committing war crimes and then commit their own war crimes. It is highly believable that protected classes (POW’s and civilians) have been intentionally targeted, against orders, by small groups on both sides.

    This is a squad/platoon level problem that serves no military purpose. It causes the other side to fight harder and hold out longer. Flag officers do what they can to stop this misbehaviour. Alas, that is not an easy task. Taking a unit “off the line” to discipline them? How can Zelensky discipline misbehaving Azov’s?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Any Ukrainian man between 18-60 could be considered a hostile. At least in theory. It’s not a policy the Russian army ought to have but Zelenskyy did prevent the flight of men uninterested in shooting back at Russians from their own neighbourhoods. Arms were handed out apparently to almost everyone and according to their own policy, guns for convicted felons: from the mayor.

    As you pointed out though, this could low level reprisals by teenage soldiers who are not under the control of officers.

    I suspect it’s from police units though.

    Replies: @A123

  580. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend

    It's certainly possible that Western intelligence services concocted the entire poison gas story. My point was quite simply that it shouldn't matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse. Insisting that it was all made up is in a way already an implicit concession to the logic of "humanitarian" intervention. It shouldn't matter either way.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    It’s certainly possible that Western intelligence services concocted the entire poison gas story.

    So we seem to be closer to an agreement.

    My point was quite simply that it shouldn’t matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse. Insisting that it was all made up is in a way already an implicit concession to the logic of “humanitarian” intervention. It shouldn’t matter either way.

    This is a separate argument. I strongly disagree with this logic because if Assad had in fact been using chemical attacks on a civilian population then a humanitarian intervention would be morally justified.

    But that’s precisely why the cynical creeps who run the Western Deep State use these kinds of false flag attacks, and why someone like Assad is rational enough to avoid giving them the excuse. So they manufacture one for themselves. In addition, such an intervention would also require liquidating the jihadist scum, but we all know the West would never do that. That’s why I don’t support these interventions de facto, but that’s a seperate argument from the principle.

    The Syrian gas attack hoax reminds me of the “think of the Afghan girls” propaganda even as they give space to roam for literal child paedophiles. Or how Afghanistan is now being starved – intentionally – by those who professed to care for its future.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    I strongly disagree with this logic because if Assad had in fact been using chemical attacks on a civilian population then a humanitarian intervention would be morally justified.
     
    No, it wouldn't have been, because all the crucial arguments against it (namely that it would probably lead to state collapse and empower vicious jihadis who'd exterminate minorities and present a serious security threat to Europe, so in the end it might lead to more suffering and be also detrimental to our own interests) would still have applied.

    Or how Afghanistan is now being starved – intentionally – by those who professed to care for its future.
     
    I can't say I'm overly sympathetic to Afghans, but you do have a certain point. I condemn what Russia's doing in Ukraine and think it needs to be opposed, but the self-righteousness among a lot of Western normies is irritating.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @216
    @Thulean Friend


    Or how Afghanistan is now being starved – intentionally – by those who professed to care for its future.
     
    By the disgusting PM Imran Khan of nuclear-armed Pakistan?

    Yes, that's who is truly responsible for the oncoming famine. The vile Anti-Western leader who hypocritically took tens of billions in American aid and handed it right over to his Taliban friends.

    Khan is the one responsible, and humble conservative white Americans like me are being blamed by Third Wordists for their own leader's actions.
  581. @A123
    @Yevardian



    especially since there are now pictures of civilians massacred by the Russian army.
     
    I heard normie chatter about this the other day, I immediately dismissed it either gossipy chitchat or atrocity propaganda (what military purpose could this possibly serve?),
     
    One side's 18-20 year old troops hear stories (or in modern times, see tik tok) of the other side committing war crimes and then commit their own war crimes. It is highly believable that protected classes (POW's and civilians) have been intentionally targeted, against orders, by small groups on both sides.

    This is a squad/platoon level problem that serves no military purpose. It causes the other side to fight harder and hold out longer. Flag officers do what they can to stop this misbehaviour. Alas, that is not an easy task. Taking a unit "off the line" to discipline them? How can Zelensky discipline misbehaving Azov's?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Any Ukrainian man between 18-60 could be considered a hostile. At least in theory. It’s not a policy the Russian army ought to have but Zelenskyy did prevent the flight of men uninterested in shooting back at Russians from their own neighbourhoods. Arms were handed out apparently to almost everyone and according to their own policy, guns for convicted felons: from the mayor.

    As you pointed out though, this could low level reprisals by teenage soldiers who are not under the control of officers.

    I suspect it’s from police units though.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    Arms were handed out apparently to almost everyone and according to their own policy, guns for convicted felons: from the mayor.
     
    Giving guns to those with firearms experience is vastly more useful than handing them out to those without any.

    Can they be trusted? On average the answer is a very human -- "Yes".

    Go back through history and you will find arming citizen criminals to fight for "their people" actually works. Obtaining redemption (and possibly a pardon) by defending "their own" innocent. Most criminals have the human drive to protect their parents and children.

    While over popularized, an actual unit underpinned the script for The Dirty Dozen.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  582. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    It’s certainly possible that Western intelligence services concocted the entire poison gas story.
     
    So we seem to be closer to an agreement.

    My point was quite simply that it shouldn’t matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse. Insisting that it was all made up is in a way already an implicit concession to the logic of “humanitarian” intervention. It shouldn’t matter either way.
     
    This is a separate argument. I strongly disagree with this logic because if Assad had in fact been using chemical attacks on a civilian population then a humanitarian intervention would be morally justified.

    But that's precisely why the cynical creeps who run the Western Deep State use these kinds of false flag attacks, and why someone like Assad is rational enough to avoid giving them the excuse. So they manufacture one for themselves. In addition, such an intervention would also require liquidating the jihadist scum, but we all know the West would never do that. That's why I don't support these interventions de facto, but that's a seperate argument from the principle.

    The Syrian gas attack hoax reminds me of the "think of the Afghan girls" propaganda even as they give space to roam for literal child paedophiles. Or how Afghanistan is now being starved - intentionally - by those who professed to care for its future.

    Replies: @German_reader, @216

    I strongly disagree with this logic because if Assad had in fact been using chemical attacks on a civilian population then a humanitarian intervention would be morally justified.

    No, it wouldn’t have been, because all the crucial arguments against it (namely that it would probably lead to state collapse and empower vicious jihadis who’d exterminate minorities and present a serious security threat to Europe, so in the end it might lead to more suffering and be also detrimental to our own interests) would still have applied.

    Or how Afghanistan is now being starved – intentionally – by those who professed to care for its future.

    I can’t say I’m overly sympathetic to Afghans, but you do have a certain point. I condemn what Russia’s doing in Ukraine and think it needs to be opposed, but the self-righteousness among a lot of Western normies is irritating.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    I addressed your argument even before you made it.


    In addition, such an intervention would also require liquidating the jihadist scum, but we all know the West would never do that. That’s why I don’t support these interventions de facto, but that’s a seperate argument from the principle.
     

    Replies: @German_reader

  583. @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage.
     
    There's enough evidence from 20th century wars to the contrary. Like Belgium in 1914. The Americans probably also committed massacres in Korea, it's just that much of it was covered up. Vietnam had My Lai (and maybe other similar incidents). And no, that didn't cause universal outrage, in fact there were even sympathetic songs (Ballad of Lt Calley). So I don't think one can dismiss the possibility that frustrated Russian troops, who've been told they're fighting "Banderite" and "Nazi" scum, would lash out in an atrocity. Did Russian troops in Chechnya care much about protecting the lives of civilians? Or maybe it's something even more sinister with involvement of Russian intelligence services. But as I wrote above, it will be a long time until we know, if ever.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @for-the-record, @Wokechoke

    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Wokechoke

    Are you American? How old are you?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.
     
    I've never heard that many or most of the American soldiers involved in the My Lai massacre were black or Hispanic. I've never investigated the matter, but it seems to me if there any truth to it, the story would have been widely publicized over the decades on numerous racialist websites.

    Do you have any solid source for your remarkable claims?

    Replies: @216, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

  584. @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Ron Unz

    Are you American? How old are you?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Yevardian

    You remind me of a stock Evelyn Waugh character. The US military abandoned the draft in part because of this incident. The Pentagon used a black staff officer to paper over the racial aspect of the events. Colin Powell cut his political teeth on the case. An early black face slapped on the rape and pillaging of his brothers.

  585. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    Donald Trump Threw Starburst Candies at Angela Merkel, Said 'Don't Say I Never Give You Anything'

     

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178

    Replies: @A123

    Donald Trump Threw Starburst Candies at Angela Merkel, Said ‘Don’t Say I Never Give You Anything’

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178

    The contents of the article contradict the headline:

    put his hand in his pocket, his suit jacket pocket, and he took two Starburst candies out, threw them on the table and said to Merkel, ‘Here, Angela. Don’t say I never give you anything,’” Bremmer described to CBS.

    Trump also showed increasing disdain for Merkel, using an internal dispute within her party this week to criticize Germany’s immigration policy.

    Pelting a foreign leader, even a horrible one, with thrown objects would be inappropriate. However he did not do that, despite the implication of the Fake Stream Media [FSM] headline.

    Wht actually happened… Disrespect shown to someone targeting her own citizens for “Replacement”. Add to that, over a decade of refusal to live up to NATO military funding commitments. Trump’s contempt shown for Merkel’s fecklessness was fully appropriate to the situation.

    Germany as a country cannot even protect its former leaders. (1)

    A pickpocket stole German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s wallet while she was shopping for groceries in Berlin on Thursday.

    Merkel’s wallet was in her handbag which was dangling from her shopping trolley when it was taken, according to German tabloid Bild, which first reported on the incident.

    Berlin police confirmed to the paper that the incident occurred around 11:40 a.m. on Thursday. According to the report, Merkel did not call the police from the store, but went to a nearby police department to report the incident.

    Merkel’s bodyguard, who was accompanying her in the grocery store, was unable to prevent the theft.

    Has there been a followup story detailing the ethnicity and/or religion of the thief? Not that I have heard. If the pickpocket was a Christian AfD member the FSM would have been all over the story. The fact that they are not…. Does that imply a Muslim (likely Arab or Africa) illegal?

    So, Merkel has been victimized by the group that Trump questioned and Merkel defended.

    There is a Symmetry To The Universe.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-robbed-in-berlin-supermarket/

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    The contents of the article contradict the headline
     
    That is part of what makes it funny. But I do not fault the writer, who I think is often a different person. And I do not fault the headline writer either - as he got me to laugh, and to make a good joke, you often have to lie a bit.

    A pickpocket stole German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s wallet while she was shopping for groceries in Berlin on Thursday.
     
    That is funny. But I doubt whether it was much of an inconvenience for her, as it would be for a normal person.

    She does not seem like a cash person, so likely no money lost. I assume one of her underlings ordered a new credit card and reported the loss. (nor does she drive or need a license) And she probably used the card of one of her underlings to buy groceries.

    Even if there was something in there, she will make up the loss in graft, and influence-peddling. meanwhile, whoever did it will be encouraged to prey on innocents. But perhaps, it is a ritzy chain, where they keep out the hoi polloi?

    I've made this point before, but it is stunning how there was an obsession with protecting West Berlin during the Cold War, but the city was quickly abandoned to non-German invaders, afterward.
    , @German_reader
    @A123

    Thanks for linking to the story about Merkel having her wallet stolen, that cheered me up a bit, the only good news in recent times.

  586. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    it’s not like you can evaluate these matters
     
    Let's focus on the Douma incident since I brought it up. The alleged attack happened in 2018, at a point in which Assad had routed virtually all his opposition.

    It beggars belief that he would use a chemical attack when his victory was all but assured, only to give his enemies a casus belli to intervene even more on the side of the jihadists.

    This logic is elementary, but apparently it's beyond you to grasp it.

    And of course, this ignores the fact that OPCW staff were silenced when they protested the cover-up, something which Maté has been covering better than any single mainstream journalist that I know of.

    As I said, you have remarkable midwit normie-tier tendencies despite your pretensions.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya

    Let’s focus on the Douma incident since I brought it up. The alleged attack happened in 2018, at a point in which Assad had routed virtually all his opposition. It beggars belief that he would use a chemical attack when his victory was all but assured, only to give his enemies a casus belli to intervene even more on the side of the jihadists. This logic is elementary, but apparently it’s beyond you to grasp it.

    Attribute substitution. The fundamental question is “did Assad use chemicals weapons in April 2018?”, not “was it logical for him to do so?”. Decisions to use force aren’t necessarily made on purely logical basis. Further, decision makers make plenty of errors in the military sphere. The Russian invasion of Ukraine should have reinforced this notion.

    To ascertain whether Assad really did use chemicals weapons requires a diligent study of all facts involved in the matter, and a careful weighing of the veracity of such evidence. Doing all this is very difficult for the average observer, but is necessary if you want to determine the truth, as opposed to validating pre-existing priors.

    I don’t have the time nor inclination to go through thousand-page reports on the use of chemicals agents, so I’m not going to make a judgement. But it’s not outside the realm of possibility that he did use chemicals weapons, and it’s also possible that the whole episode was concocted by Western agencies.

    My point was quite simply that it shouldn’t matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse

    Re, Western intervention: The missile strikes were limited in scope and were not intended on toppling the Assad regime. The Washington Post wrote a story subsequent to the attack stating that Assad was happy that the strikes were limited as it demonstrated the West no longer prioritized his removal. All in all, I think some degree of humanitarian intervention is preferable if they are limited in scope and can deter egregious violations of human rights. In other words, I think limited missile strikes against weapon facilities is the correct response to use of chemical weapons. They are certainly far more rational and effective than arming Jihadi groups to topple a secular regime in the Middle East.

    • Agree: sudden death
  587. @sudden death
    https://i.redd.it/bauwmw1n06r81.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    Previously posted wrong link without ability to enlarge, the same map of April 2 in detail:

  588. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Any Ukrainian man between 18-60 could be considered a hostile. At least in theory. It’s not a policy the Russian army ought to have but Zelenskyy did prevent the flight of men uninterested in shooting back at Russians from their own neighbourhoods. Arms were handed out apparently to almost everyone and according to their own policy, guns for convicted felons: from the mayor.

    As you pointed out though, this could low level reprisals by teenage soldiers who are not under the control of officers.

    I suspect it’s from police units though.

    Replies: @A123

    Arms were handed out apparently to almost everyone and according to their own policy, guns for convicted felons: from the mayor.

    Giving guns to those with firearms experience is vastly more useful than handing them out to those without any.

    Can they be trusted? On average the answer is a very human — “Yes”.

    Go back through history and you will find arming citizen criminals to fight for “their people” actually works. Obtaining redemption (and possibly a pardon) by defending “their own” innocent. Most criminals have the human drive to protect their parents and children.

    While over popularized, an actual unit underpinned the script for The Dirty Dozen.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Dirty Dozen is a lot of rot. Punishment battalions are more like the real thing.

    The main thing a criminal might do is use his networks to provide a few bits of human intelligence. Drugs dealers in Bucha or Irpin for example. They might have provided extra sets of eyes and ears behind the lines.

  589. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    I strongly disagree with this logic because if Assad had in fact been using chemical attacks on a civilian population then a humanitarian intervention would be morally justified.
     
    No, it wouldn't have been, because all the crucial arguments against it (namely that it would probably lead to state collapse and empower vicious jihadis who'd exterminate minorities and present a serious security threat to Europe, so in the end it might lead to more suffering and be also detrimental to our own interests) would still have applied.

    Or how Afghanistan is now being starved – intentionally – by those who professed to care for its future.
     
    I can't say I'm overly sympathetic to Afghans, but you do have a certain point. I condemn what Russia's doing in Ukraine and think it needs to be opposed, but the self-righteousness among a lot of Western normies is irritating.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    I addressed your argument even before you made it.

    In addition, such an intervention would also require liquidating the jihadist scum, but we all know the West would never do that. That’s why I don’t support these interventions de facto, but that’s a seperate argument from the principle.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend

    That wasn't there when I read your comment, must have been an edit. And de facto is all that matters anyway.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  590. AaronB says:

    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways – The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It’s a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it – I am skipping around a lot – but so far it’s a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It’s impossible to overstate the importance of this book – it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It’s basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks – the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere”sends” the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole – Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship – and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem – because if you’re like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph 🙂 You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked 🙂

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told – relentlessly! – that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture – the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and “go it alone” and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history – ancient Greece, ancient Rome – and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I’m gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here – this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be “the” book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere – say, anyone working primarily in STEM – literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either – as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm – but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website….. 🙂

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture – insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous – what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn’t describe our culture I don’t know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism – but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to “deconstruct” art and search for ominous and malevolent “oppressive meanings” in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend, Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @AaronB

    A few more things -

    Left hemisphere thinking cannot handle paradox and insists on either/or thinking, like a computer, yet the structure of reality abounds in paradox.

    For instance, you gotta be "cruel to be kind". Or fighting a war to make Islamic fascists into liberals may paradoxically make them more fascistic.

    Since the left hemisphere cannot grasp paradox and the "coincidence of opposites", it continues to make basic unforced errors and basic mistakes of this kind - as we see with Putin's attack on Ukraine, where a war for Russia's "security" ends up making it vastly less secure, and pushes Ukraine closer to NATO.

    I remember Daniel Chieh, a typical left hemisphere thinker, would go into paroxysms of rage when I pointed out the paradoxical nature of reality :)

    Another highly notable feature of left hemisphere thinking is arrogance - because the left hemisphere cannot see wholes but can only see parts, it deconstructs and takes apart but cannot see the larger picture, it cannot see it's own limitations, which makes it extremely arrogant.

    Most genius tier intellects develop extreme humility, like Einstein, because the more you know and understand, the more you see that you don't know and understand - another example of the paradoxical structure of reality :)

    But to see the larger picture in this way is a function of the right hemisphere - people with deficits in the right hemisphere cannot do this.

    That explains the often shocking arrogance and contempt of left hemisphere people like Anatoly Karlin, Daniel Church, Ron Unz, - indeed, our entire dominant modern culture.

    Anger and anxiety are also a typical left hemisphere emotions - I trust I need not spell out how this applies to the people I just mentioned and to society at large.

    Putin and Xi strike me as also primarily left hemisphere people, with the resultant proneness to delusion and cognitive shortcoming.

    For instance, China is immensely proud of it's Zero COVID policy and is convinced this shows the superiority of their system - even as there has been a huge rise in deaths from heart attacks and other preventable causes because treatment would violate quarantine and other COVID minimization rules.

    It's this kind of "blindness", inability to see the larger picture, and inability to self correct that is such a notable feature of left hemisphere cognitive style.

    Likewise, a feature of left hemisphere thinking is contempt for what it cannot understand - once again, because it cannot "know what it does not know".

    The right hemisphere, responsible for seeing the larger picture, can self correct and see that it does not know - the left cannot.

    The right hemisphere can see what the left sees - but the left can never see what the right sees.

    So where do we go from here?

    Once trapped in left hemisphere thinking, is it possible to get out and restore balance? As we saw, a major feature of left hemisphere thinking is that it does not - cannot - "know that it does not know". It can never see the larger whole but only parts, can never see the larger picture, is highly prone to delusion, and cannot self correct.

    There is a part of me that wonders if the West is not seeking self-destruction through the importation of third worlders - people from cultures not yet dominated by the left hemisphere - in a preconscious instinct level effort to liberate itself from domination by the left hemisphere, which is leading to it's death anyhow.

    I don't know.

    In the past, no culture was able to recover on its own from the death spiral of left hemisphere capture.

    , @Wokechoke
    @AaronB

    Reason should serve passions…in other words. That’s either Hobbes or Burke isn’t it? Maybe Hume.

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    , @A123
    @AaronB


    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking
     
    I would analyze "cause then effect" in the opposite order.

    When I studied history and literature, the texts were difficult to read and expressed traditional European values. A course labeled Western Civilization was something to be concerned about due to the intense workload. When the SJW Equity Globalists took over, these fields lost all credibility as the workload became lighter (for Equity) and wing-nut multicultural (to diminish European values).

    With the collapse of rigorous Liberal Arts education, those degrees they lost value as an employment credential. Even those not interested in STEM occupations correctly realized that their personal future would be bettered by obtaining a STEM degree. The objective nature of mathematics (there are provably *wrong* answers) was far harder for authoritarian liberalism to corrupt.

    A running observation from the Unz era (circa 90's-00's) UC system was identification of student major by looking at them. Asian = STEM; White = Finance, Business, or Law; Brown = Grievance Arts. Sadly, this does not appear to be a joke.
    ____

    The best STEM professionals actually are often very good "right brain". Finding a new pattern amongst piles of data is an intuitive and essential feature of break thru research. This is why U.S. schools remain the best in Engineering & Science versus those in Asia that emphasize STEM grinding rather than cultivating creative thinking.

    PEACE 😇

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    , @songbird
    @AaronB

    I cannot replace Daniel, but if he were here, I am sure he would post something like this:



    But for more individual personality traits, such as creativity or a tendency toward the rational rather than the intuitive, there has been little or no evidence supporting a residence in one area of the brain. In fact, if you performed a CT scan, MRI scan, or even an autopsy on the brain of a mathematician and compared it to the brain of an artist, it’s unlikely you’d find much difference. And if you did the same for 1,000 mathematicians and artists, it’s unlikely that any clear pattern of difference in brain structure would emerge.
     
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/right-brainleft-brain-right-2017082512222

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    , @Mikel
    @AaronB


    It’s a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it – I am skipping around a lot – but so far it’s a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history

    .../...

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history

    .../...

    neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that
     
    Thanks a lot for those insights but it sounds like psychiatrist Mcgilchrist put a lot of right-side brain effort in that book, doesn't it? :-)

    Welcome back by the way. Did you visit the Capitol Reef area? I'd like to know how you'd compare it to other parts of Utah and the West.

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    , @S
    @AaronB


    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and “go it alone” and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.
     
    I'd always wondered what exactly was going on with Kirk in The Enemy Within! ;-)

    More seriously, thanks for the abbreviated book review and recommendation. It does sound to be quite insightful.

    I suppose I think much of the problem the book you posted upon describes could at its roots in large part be explained by society's utter failure to succesfully address a massive (and seemingly worsening) global problem of psychological dysfunctionality, amongst both individuals and familys, which coloring many things as it does, is threatening to rip civilization apart.

    Just as mid 19th century (and prior) physical medical practitioners were overwhelmed by the sheer scope of the problem of physical ailments, so, too, are today's doctors of the human psyche overwhelmed in their field in regards to the psychological problems of the individual.

    Then in the West, in regards to physical health, came the latter 19th and early 20th century revolutions in germ theory, clean water and food, the importance of exercise, and the associated great public health campaigns. As a result, people were no longer 'dying like flies' as they had been.

    A similar (yet to take place) revolution needs to take place in regards to the health of the human mind. Perhaps the book you've outlined could be part of such a revolution.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rz20gE1iSZo/WVbtSoOzvYI/AAAAAAAACqg/cvLizjcNGnoZcE-nBQVBQQNdwghFselywCLcBGAs/s280/enemywithin_startrek.jpg


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_%28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29

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    , @iffen
    @AaronB

    that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways

    Not again!

    Say it ain't so, Joe.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Pro Bono
    @AaronB


    It’s impossible to overstate the importance of this book – it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.
     
    Cuvilionsl? was that a mini-stroke mid-sentence? you should calm down a bit.

    It’s basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks – the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.
     
    Mostly claptrap:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150929061434/https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2009/12/the-left-brain-plot-for-world-domination.html

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.
     

    So true, only a typically left hemisphere Virgo like Ron would put up with your unbearable idiocy and quasi-infinite gullibility right. But be very careful though:

    Virgo takes the cake — nay, the corpse — for most dangerous sign of the zodiac. In my estimation they are least likely to get caught in the act or in the aftermath of a crime.
     
    https://nypost.com/2021/12/23/most-dangerous-zodiac-signs/

    Cheap shots aside, Ron created this excellent site with its state of the art commenting system, possibly the best there is in the whole Internet, and before that he created very useful software which he sold for big bucks. What have you produced apart from your overlong, nonsensical, repetitive, headache-inducing brain farts?

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  591. @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Sure the Germans massacred some Belgian civilians in 1914, Korea was certainly an anomaly, a pretty nasty war in general, but even in Vietnam My Lai was an exception, the US Army become less professional after McNamara's morons and allowing criminals to enlist in lieu of prison.

    I saw some civilians attempting to attack Russians troops with molotov cocktails got gunned down in Kherson, such things are well within the laws of war, egging on such things is the reprehensible behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1510530127813398530?s=20&t=dTQBeFSqRZQ4Vw3ssNvKVA

    Interesting thread, was Das Reich predominantly Ukrainian? At least on the Western Front such occurrences were very rare.

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    The Americans committed a massacre against German POWs here–

    George S. Pattons’ war diary entry from January 4, 1945. Regarding the Chenogne massacre on January 1, 1945 Patton noted: “Also murdered 50 odd German med [sic]. I hope we can conceal this.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenogne_massacre

    The British were the first to use concentration camps, 1899–1902

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps

    The Germans, who would use it later on the Hereros, claims that the term was invented by Kitchener,

    The term “concentration camp” was first used officially in the German-speaking world in 1904/05 to designate internment and transit camps for Herero and Nama prisoners. This term was “invented” or coined by the British field marshal and politician Herbert Kitchener, 1st Earl Kitchener: During the Second Boer War against the Boers of Dutch origin in South Africa around 1900, the women and children of the Boer population there, who were considered potential enemies, were in camps, which were officially designated as concentration camps, were grouped together and interned.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_in_Deutsch-Südwestafrika

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    The British were the first to use concentration camps, 1899–1902
     
    The Spanish had adopted similar methods in their war against the Cuban independence movement a few years before:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps#During_the_Cuban_War_of_Independence

    Maybe there are even earlier parallels, I'm not sure.

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    , @S
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    George S. Pattons’ war diary entry from January 4, 1945. Regarding the Chenogne massacre on January 1, 1945 Patton noted: “Also murdered 50 odd German med [sic]. I hope we can conceal this.”
     
    Thanks, I'd never heard of that one.

    That example, and those like it below, where if an official report was made, it was often figuratively (if not literally at times) wadded up into a ball and tossed into the nearest trash receptacle and nothing of any consequence done, is why I don't support the legal concept of 'war crimes' as presently understood.

    Sure, for a variety of reasons, and if only out of what might be termed 'enlightened self interest', such things should most certainly be avoided. As it stands with these 'prosecution of war crimes', and as well illustrated at the link below, there's simply too much gross hypocrisy, and it's just a variant of what used to be termed 'victor's justice'.



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
  592. @German_reader
    @songbird

    I once read some eyewitness account of the 1241 Mongol invasion of Hungary and it was really disturbing, graphic stuff. Like women being gang-raped in front of their families, or people who had fled to the woods being lured back by promises they wouldn't be harmed...so they would bring in the harvest for the Mongols, only to be killed afterwards. Really sounded like a level of calculating violence that was well beyond the level usual in European warfare.
    The recent DNA study about Avars is pretty fascinating, very weird thought that actual Mongols (or a Mongol-like people) persisted in East Central Europe for two centuries, and apparently fairly unmixed at least among the elite. One wonders what happened to them, did Charlemagne really decimate to such an extent they just faded away?

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    Really sounded like a level of calculating violence that was well beyond the level usual in European warfare.

    I don’t think I would go there, how did the epithet “Hun” come about?

    „Kommt ihr vor den Feind, so wird derselbe geschlagen! Pardon wird nicht gegeben! Gefangene werden nicht gemacht! Wer euch in die Hände fällt, sei euch verfallen! Wie vor tausend Jahren die Hunnen unter ihrem König Etzel sich einen Namen gemacht, der sie noch jetzt in Überlieferung und Märchen gewaltig erscheinen läßt, so möge der Name Deutscher in China auf 1000 Jahre durch euch in einer Weise bestätigt werden, daß es niemals wieder ein Chinese wagt, einen Deutschen scheel anzusehen!“[2]

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunnenrede

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Germany's intervention in China may not have been something to be proud of, but I don't think they erected skull pyramids there or decimated the Chinese population to any appreciable degree, so I don't think it can be compared to the Mongol style of warfare (which I didn't mean to pin on East Asians in general, so you don't need to be offended...this is more of an issue of the relationship between nomads and settled populations than anything about East and West). I'd say the German relationship to China was ambiguous, certainly not free from racist condescension and disdain, but there were also some limited attempts at cooperation (Erich von Falkenhayn dreamed of heading a Chinese military academy and creating a modern military force for China, and later German military advisors did play a role during the republican era).
    And the outrage by other Western powers about Wilhelm's ill-advised speech was a bit hypocritical, given their own role in China and during the intervention.

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  593. @AaronB
    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways - The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It's a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it - I am skipping around a lot - but so far it's a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It's impossible to overstate the importance of this book - it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It's basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks - the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere"sends" the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole - Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship - and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem - because if you're like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph :) You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked :)

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told - relentlessly! - that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture - the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and "go it alone" and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history - ancient Greece, ancient Rome - and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I'm gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here - this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be "the" book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere - say, anyone working primarily in STEM - literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either - as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm - but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website..... :)

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture - insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous - what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn't describe our culture I don't know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism - but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to "deconstruct" art and search for ominous and malevolent "oppressive meanings" in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

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    A few more things –

    Left hemisphere thinking cannot handle paradox and insists on either/or thinking, like a computer, yet the structure of reality abounds in paradox.

    For instance, you gotta be “cruel to be kind”. Or fighting a war to make Islamic fascists into liberals may paradoxically make them more fascistic.

    Since the left hemisphere cannot grasp paradox and the “coincidence of opposites”, it continues to make basic unforced errors and basic mistakes of this kind – as we see with Putin’s attack on Ukraine, where a war for Russia’s “security” ends up making it vastly less secure, and pushes Ukraine closer to NATO.

    I remember Daniel Chieh, a typical left hemisphere thinker, would go into paroxysms of rage when I pointed out the paradoxical nature of reality 🙂

    Another highly notable feature of left hemisphere thinking is arrogance – because the left hemisphere cannot see wholes but can only see parts, it deconstructs and takes apart but cannot see the larger picture, it cannot see it’s own limitations, which makes it extremely arrogant.

    Most genius tier intellects develop extreme humility, like Einstein, because the more you know and understand, the more you see that you don’t know and understand – another example of the paradoxical structure of reality 🙂

    But to see the larger picture in this way is a function of the right hemisphere – people with deficits in the right hemisphere cannot do this.

    That explains the often shocking arrogance and contempt of left hemisphere people like Anatoly Karlin, Daniel Church, Ron Unz, – indeed, our entire dominant modern culture.

    Anger and anxiety are also a typical left hemisphere emotions – I trust I need not spell out how this applies to the people I just mentioned and to society at large.

    Putin and Xi strike me as also primarily left hemisphere people, with the resultant proneness to delusion and cognitive shortcoming.

    For instance, China is immensely proud of it’s Zero COVID policy and is convinced this shows the superiority of their system – even as there has been a huge rise in deaths from heart attacks and other preventable causes because treatment would violate quarantine and other COVID minimization rules.

    It’s this kind of “blindness”, inability to see the larger picture, and inability to self correct that is such a notable feature of left hemisphere cognitive style.

    Likewise, a feature of left hemisphere thinking is contempt for what it cannot understand – once again, because it cannot “know what it does not know”.

    The right hemisphere, responsible for seeing the larger picture, can self correct and see that it does not know – the left cannot.

    The right hemisphere can see what the left sees – but the left can never see what the right sees.

    So where do we go from here?

    Once trapped in left hemisphere thinking, is it possible to get out and restore balance? As we saw, a major feature of left hemisphere thinking is that it does not – cannot – “know that it does not know”. It can never see the larger whole but only parts, can never see the larger picture, is highly prone to delusion, and cannot self correct.

    There is a part of me that wonders if the West is not seeking self-destruction through the importation of third worlders – people from cultures not yet dominated by the left hemisphere – in a preconscious instinct level effort to liberate itself from domination by the left hemisphere, which is leading to it’s death anyhow.

    I don’t know.

    In the past, no culture was able to recover on its own from the death spiral of left hemisphere capture.

  594. @A123
    @Wokechoke


    Arms were handed out apparently to almost everyone and according to their own policy, guns for convicted felons: from the mayor.
     
    Giving guns to those with firearms experience is vastly more useful than handing them out to those without any.

    Can they be trusted? On average the answer is a very human -- "Yes".

    Go back through history and you will find arming citizen criminals to fight for "their people" actually works. Obtaining redemption (and possibly a pardon) by defending "their own" innocent. Most criminals have the human drive to protect their parents and children.

    While over popularized, an actual unit underpinned the script for The Dirty Dozen.

    PEACE 😇

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    Dirty Dozen is a lot of rot. Punishment battalions are more like the real thing.

    The main thing a criminal might do is use his networks to provide a few bits of human intelligence. Drugs dealers in Bucha or Irpin for example. They might have provided extra sets of eyes and ears behind the lines.

  595. @Yevardian
    @Wokechoke

    Are you American? How old are you?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    You remind me of a stock Evelyn Waugh character. The US military abandoned the draft in part because of this incident. The Pentagon used a black staff officer to paper over the racial aspect of the events. Colin Powell cut his political teeth on the case. An early black face slapped on the rape and pillaging of his brothers.

  596. @A123
    @songbird


    Donald Trump Threw Starburst Candies at Angela Merkel, Said ‘Don’t Say I Never Give You Anything’

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178
     
    The contents of the article contradict the headline:

    put his hand in his pocket, his suit jacket pocket, and he took two Starburst candies out, threw them on the table and said to Merkel, 'Here, Angela. Don't say I never give you anything,'" Bremmer described to CBS.
    ...
    Trump also showed increasing disdain for Merkel, using an internal dispute within her party this week to criticize Germany's immigration policy.
     
    Pelting a foreign leader, even a horrible one, with thrown objects would be inappropriate. However he did not do that, despite the implication of the Fake Stream Media [FSM] headline.

    Wht actually happened... Disrespect shown to someone targeting her own citizens for "Replacement". Add to that, over a decade of refusal to live up to NATO military funding commitments. Trump's contempt shown for Merkel's fecklessness was fully appropriate to the situation.

    Germany as a country cannot even protect its former leaders. (1)

    A pickpocket stole German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s wallet while she was shopping for groceries in Berlin on Thursday.

    Merkel’s wallet was in her handbag which was dangling from her shopping trolley when it was taken, according to German tabloid Bild, which first reported on the incident.

    Berlin police confirmed to the paper that the incident occurred around 11:40 a.m. on Thursday. According to the report, Merkel did not call the police from the store, but went to a nearby police department to report the incident.

    Merkel’s bodyguard, who was accompanying her in the grocery store, was unable to prevent the theft.
     
    Has there been a followup story detailing the ethnicity and/or religion of the thief? Not that I have heard. If the pickpocket was a Christian AfD member the FSM would have been all over the story. The fact that they are not.... Does that imply a Muslim (likely Arab or Africa) illegal?

    So, Merkel has been victimized by the group that Trump questioned and Merkel defended.

    There is a Symmetry To The Universe.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-robbed-in-berlin-supermarket/

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    The contents of the article contradict the headline

    That is part of what makes it funny. But I do not fault the writer, who I think is often a different person. And I do not fault the headline writer either – as he got me to laugh, and to make a good joke, you often have to lie a bit.

    A pickpocket stole German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s wallet while she was shopping for groceries in Berlin on Thursday.

    That is funny. But I doubt whether it was much of an inconvenience for her, as it would be for a normal person.

    She does not seem like a cash person, so likely no money lost. I assume one of her underlings ordered a new credit card and reported the loss. (nor does she drive or need a license) And she probably used the card of one of her underlings to buy groceries.

    Even if there was something in there, she will make up the loss in graft, and influence-peddling. meanwhile, whoever did it will be encouraged to prey on innocents. But perhaps, it is a ritzy chain, where they keep out the hoi polloi?

    I’ve made this point before, but it is stunning how there was an obsession with protecting West Berlin during the Cold War, but the city was quickly abandoned to non-German invaders, afterward.

  597. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    I addressed your argument even before you made it.


    In addition, such an intervention would also require liquidating the jihadist scum, but we all know the West would never do that. That’s why I don’t support these interventions de facto, but that’s a seperate argument from the principle.
     

    Replies: @German_reader

    That wasn’t there when I read your comment, must have been an edit. And de facto is all that matters anyway.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    And de facto is all that matters anyway.
     
    I disagree. A strong normative rejection of biological and chemical weapons use in regular warfare is necessary to dissuade weaker powers from using them wantonly. If there was a relatively high certainty among dictators that they could get away using chemical weapons (e.g. like Saddam got away far too easily during the late 1980s when he gassed the kurds), then we would see many more such instances. There was also a lot of self-introspection and criticism in America after he did his crimes, precisely because he was aligned with D.C. during those years.

    Principles matter. Without them, any de facto decision about intervention becomes moot since they are the anchor around which any decision must be made. That the world is awash with cynical false flag attacks is another problem altogether.

    Replies: @sher singh

  598. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @songbird


    Donald Trump Threw Starburst Candies at Angela Merkel, Said ‘Don’t Say I Never Give You Anything’

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178
     
    The contents of the article contradict the headline:

    put his hand in his pocket, his suit jacket pocket, and he took two Starburst candies out, threw them on the table and said to Merkel, 'Here, Angela. Don't say I never give you anything,'" Bremmer described to CBS.
    ...
    Trump also showed increasing disdain for Merkel, using an internal dispute within her party this week to criticize Germany's immigration policy.
     
    Pelting a foreign leader, even a horrible one, with thrown objects would be inappropriate. However he did not do that, despite the implication of the Fake Stream Media [FSM] headline.

    Wht actually happened... Disrespect shown to someone targeting her own citizens for "Replacement". Add to that, over a decade of refusal to live up to NATO military funding commitments. Trump's contempt shown for Merkel's fecklessness was fully appropriate to the situation.

    Germany as a country cannot even protect its former leaders. (1)

    A pickpocket stole German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s wallet while she was shopping for groceries in Berlin on Thursday.

    Merkel’s wallet was in her handbag which was dangling from her shopping trolley when it was taken, according to German tabloid Bild, which first reported on the incident.

    Berlin police confirmed to the paper that the incident occurred around 11:40 a.m. on Thursday. According to the report, Merkel did not call the police from the store, but went to a nearby police department to report the incident.

    Merkel’s bodyguard, who was accompanying her in the grocery store, was unable to prevent the theft.
     
    Has there been a followup story detailing the ethnicity and/or religion of the thief? Not that I have heard. If the pickpocket was a Christian AfD member the FSM would have been all over the story. The fact that they are not.... Does that imply a Muslim (likely Arab or Africa) illegal?

    So, Merkel has been victimized by the group that Trump questioned and Merkel defended.

    There is a Symmetry To The Universe.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-robbed-in-berlin-supermarket/

    Replies: @songbird, @German_reader

    Thanks for linking to the story about Merkel having her wallet stolen, that cheered me up a bit, the only good news in recent times.

    • Thanks: A123
  599. German_reader says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Really sounded like a level of calculating violence that was well beyond the level usual in European warfare.

    I don't think I would go there, how did the epithet "Hun" come about?


    „Kommt ihr vor den Feind, so wird derselbe geschlagen! Pardon wird nicht gegeben! Gefangene werden nicht gemacht! Wer euch in die Hände fällt, sei euch verfallen! Wie vor tausend Jahren die Hunnen unter ihrem König Etzel sich einen Namen gemacht, der sie noch jetzt in Überlieferung und Märchen gewaltig erscheinen läßt, so möge der Name Deutscher in China auf 1000 Jahre durch euch in einer Weise bestätigt werden, daß es niemals wieder ein Chinese wagt, einen Deutschen scheel anzusehen!“[2]

     

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunnenrede

    Replies: @German_reader

    Germany’s intervention in China may not have been something to be proud of, but I don’t think they erected skull pyramids there or decimated the Chinese population to any appreciable degree, so I don’t think it can be compared to the Mongol style of warfare (which I didn’t mean to pin on East Asians in general, so you don’t need to be offended…this is more of an issue of the relationship between nomads and settled populations than anything about East and West). I’d say the German relationship to China was ambiguous, certainly not free from racist condescension and disdain, but there were also some limited attempts at cooperation (Erich von Falkenhayn dreamed of heading a Chinese military academy and creating a modern military force for China, and later German military advisors did play a role during the republican era).
    And the outrage by other Western powers about Wilhelm’s ill-advised speech was a bit hypocritical, given their own role in China and during the intervention.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Sino-German cooperation was very extensive; this is true till today with Germany's economy being far more complementary with China's than with Japan's. The beginning was at Versailles, when Germany and China signed a separate treaty.

    The last notable Chinese Indologist, Ji Xianlin, was educated in Germany during the Nazi period, his memoir Zehn Jahre in Deutschland is interesting.

    These days Carl Schmitt is influential amongst PRC political theorists.

  600. @LatW
    @Yevardian


    Yes, but the key factor you just pointed out, Lukashenko has very relunctant to commit to this war, once again, he’s successfully wriggled out from Kremlin dictat whilst still maintaining friendly relations. ‘Overthrowing’ Lukashenko would only result in Belarus becoming a heavily contested and chaotic borderland like Ukraine, possibly even armed conflict with the current situation. I don’t think Belarusians are such total utter retards to risk that.
     
    I was not calling on overthrowing Lukashenko, just saying that the other poster's point about trying to neutralize him in one way or another would be something that could be worth trying as his position is not all that stable. By neutralizing I do not mean "overthrowing" or "assassinating" but pressuring him to stay put, which he has done himself anyway in his typical manner (remains to be seen if that continues, read Oleh Zhdanov's warning that Belarus can be used as a staging ground for more missile attacks in the second wave of the offensive). There was a pretty high possibility that they would engage.

    Many in Belarus do not like this and have been sabotaging the Russian movements along the railways. I have never called for armed conflict there, just for restraint, despite their allied relationship with Russia. Do not misconstrue my words. And please understand that if Putin goes, so will Lukashenko. Btw, if Belarusians so fear risking armed conflict, as you say, they should've stayed out of this. Beyond scandalous to even imagine that a Belarusian will strike a Ukrainian.


    Why do you assume that ousting Lukashenko (hypothetical, there is no one there to oust him), would necessarily create a warzone? It would create political turmoil, maybe some civil unrest, maybe annexation by Russia. Certainly, Ukrainians wouldn't be shooting at them in that scenario. It is exactly Belarus' readiness to engage in the war against Ukraine that could prompt Ukraine to strike back and strike hard to teach their inexperienced troops a lesson. Do you realize that Lukashenko has been threatening Ukraine, not vice versa? Hopefully, they saw what goes on in their hospitals (the wounded Russians must be in a horrific state plus all the 200s) and they saw the Russians being pushed out from the suburbs of Kyiv, scorched out literally. I guess that lessened Lukashenko's appetite to go "and get our Ukraine back".

    Btw, I do not appreciate Putin telling Lukashenko that Belarus needs access to the sea (that was on TV recently).

    You know that Western hubris and moralising makes this impossible.
     
    It's just a thought experiment. Of course, it's not the most realistic thing at the moment, but why not try? Nothing can be guaranteed, but it could just be a move to make him think for a minute, to put more doubt in him.

    And that’s assuming the US wants peace and stability for any nation that isn’t their vassal, pretty laughable supposition. I’m not saying Russia is different in this respect
     
    Russia just destroyed the beautiful suburb of Bucha, so no, absolutely, not, Russia does not want peace and stability, it's laughable to even bring this up. You have any idea how much time and resources went into creating all that, a lot of it was newly built! People were finally starting to have a nice life!

    but it strongly sounds like you’re suggesting creating another warzone for the sake of ‘democracy’, frankly your views are sounding increasingly Neoconish to me. I guess you’re a Balt so I shouldn’t expect too much nuance from you, perhaps everything does boil down to ethnic grifting in the end
     
    .

    Spare your ad hominems. Excuse me, where do I lack nuance? Defending one's nation state and helping against a common enemy is now "grifting"? Ha, you're the one to talk as an Armenian. Do not turn my words around. The Belarusians themselves were on their way to "create another warzone" because of their provocative actions, treacherously using their country as a staging ground for war, shooting missiles towards Volyn, assembling troops and you call me aggressive??

    My position has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Neocons, who might be a thing of yesterday anyway and I'm not really a fan of their agenda, this has little to do with the US at all in fact, this is all between us and them. It's been this way for hundreds of years, way before the US and Neocons even existed. They don't want us to thrive. Or even to exist.

    Beautiful Bucha before the arrival of the Russian world... thankfully, the Ukrainians just regained control of it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNFRxCjQTNc

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Lukashenka…trying to neutralize him in one way or another would be something that could be worth trying

    You dance around calling for overthrow of the Minsk government like a weepy teenager. The endless calls in the West to ‘replace regimes‘ in places they don’t like is the core aspect of the neo-con ideology. You don’t see yourself as a neo-con – maybe even sincerely dislike them – but here you are advocating their main policy. Each country touched by the neo-con idiocy has suffered and turned into a dusty backwater. It is the insane urge to meddle, you suggesting more meddling will have the same results. Even in Minsk.

    Russia just destroyed the beautiful suburb of Bucha, so no, absolutely, not, Russia does not want peace and stability

    Ukraine destroyed the beautiful cities of Donbas killing at least 3k civilians. Were any Ukrainians in Bucha bothered by that? We don’t know what happened in Bucha – it is a war zone and all sides lie – but it could be a pay-back for what Kiev did to Donetsk. You can go on about “what-aboutism” and how the Buchaites were always for peace, or whatever. The reality is that when you shoot and bomb others with no regard for their civilians, they may eventually turn it at you. That’s the tragedy of all wars – the fact that when the enemy is within reach so are you. This is something Kiev should had thought about in all those long triumphalist 8 years. But they didn’t.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow

    Beckow,

    Please kindly do not respond to my posts going forward. Last time we spoke, you made a couple of blatant lies about my country. That kind of takes all the fun out of.

    Overall, I enjoyed conversing with you. Bye.

    Replies: @Beckow

  601. @AaronB
    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways - The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It's a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it - I am skipping around a lot - but so far it's a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It's impossible to overstate the importance of this book - it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It's basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks - the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere"sends" the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole - Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship - and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem - because if you're like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph :) You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked :)

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told - relentlessly! - that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture - the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and "go it alone" and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history - ancient Greece, ancient Rome - and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I'm gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here - this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be "the" book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere - say, anyone working primarily in STEM - literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either - as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm - but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website..... :)

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture - insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous - what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn't describe our culture I don't know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism - but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to "deconstruct" art and search for ominous and malevolent "oppressive meanings" in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Mikel, @S, @iffen, @Pro Bono

    Reason should serve passions…in other words. That’s either Hobbes or Burke isn’t it? Maybe Hume.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Wokechoke

    Not at all.

    The passions are referred to as "blind". What is remarkable here is that the evidence now suggests that the part of the brain which processes emotion is significantly better at producing a more accurate picture of the world than the part that thinks solely logically, which is singularly prone to delusion - and delusions of a particularly disturbing character, alienating and paranoid, as in schizophrenia.

    Furthermore, left hemisphere thinking is not entirely emotionless despite it's emphasis on "utility". It's a cognitive style that is characterized by anger and anxiety - even paranoia.

    Although, interestingly, it's also associated with cheerfulness and optimism - mostly because it cannot see depth.

    Sadness is processed by the right hemisphere apparently. But sadness is closely linked to longing and yearning, and all three are "deep" emotions closely tied to spiritual development.

    I wonder if this is why I miss that beautiful, lyrical note of sad yearning and longing in Anglo culture which I find so notably present and enjoy so much in Japanese culture!

    I love the sad lyricism, the yearning and longing, in Japanese culture, even anime, and have long wondered at it's seemingly near total absence in Anglo culture.

    I understand it better now.

    Actually, the first Lord of the Rings movie had this great quality of sad longing, especially the ending. So Anglo culture isn't totally devoid of it.

  602. @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Ron Unz

    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.

    I’ve never heard that many or most of the American soldiers involved in the My Lai massacre were black or Hispanic. I’ve never investigated the matter, but it seems to me if there any truth to it, the story would have been widely publicized over the decades on numerous racialist websites.

    Do you have any solid source for your remarkable claims?

    • Replies: @216
    @Ron Unz

    CPT Medina was hispanic
    2LT Calley was white
    SSG Mitchell was black
    SGT Torres was hispanic

    Most of the platoon was white.

    The events were covered up by a certain Maj. Colin Powell.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    , @songbird
    @Ron Unz

    I only recall one piece of the puzzle: U.S. Army Lt William Calley (who was charged in the massacre) does not appear to have what would be considered "good physiognomy." His ears stick out. His chin is kind of weak. He seems short.

    In contrast Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson Jr. (who brought his chopper down in front of Vietnamese civilians in order to prevent them from being killed) has a strong jaw and more masculine face.

    Replies: @songbird, @utu, @Wokechoke

    , @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview "many if not most units" have war crimes in Vietnam.

    I haven't read his book ("Chasing The Light" 2020), but this is what he said if you watch his videos on YouTube.

    He also claims he experienced African Americans soldiers were less brutal, because they were ideologically not so much believing in this Vietnam war. Stone says he experienced culture difference within the platoons and he argues this relates to treatment of Vietnamese civilians (https://youtu.be/xndJ0TnafHE?t=84).

    He views Vietnam now through a kind of postcolonial theory (https://youtu.be/h1X43DNUkGY?t=125).

    Stone was volunteer soldier in Vietnam for over a year, in three different combat units, winner of many military awards. So, I assume, he saw a lot of things. At 3:10 in this view, he says about how he saw abuse of Vietnamese population, including rape. https://billmoyers.com/2013/02/08/moyers-moment-2009-oliver-stone-on-coming-to-terms-with-vietnam/

    Even he says he shot at Vietnamese civilians' feet. "” Stone has admitted that a scene in Platoon, where an enraged Taylor fires at villagers’ feet, directly mirrors one of his own more manic moments: “I got angry. These people could be very obtuse. I felt like I wanted to kill someone, but I shot at the feet instead. I lost my mind. But I didn’t kill anyone in cold blood.”" https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2018/07/27/oliver-stone-vietnam/

    He was from an upper class family and volunteered to fight in Vietnam, as a result of psychological crisis while he was in Yale University.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ron Unz

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    Yes. Go to the My Lai museum webpage. The Vietnamese clearly show the black perps in the diorama. The grizzly Captain over Calley (weak subaltern) was a Mexican looking Mexican and many of the NCOs were black or Hispanic. When a white officer showed up it was all stopped and the officer wrote to the general staff to have it all investigated. The investigator was sent and it was a certain Colin Powell.

    You can go through the service records of the platoon and cross reference names and photos and you won’t like what you see there. Calley was a zoo keeper nothing more.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  603. A123 says: • Website
    @AaronB
    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways - The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It's a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it - I am skipping around a lot - but so far it's a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It's impossible to overstate the importance of this book - it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It's basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks - the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere"sends" the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole - Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship - and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem - because if you're like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph :) You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked :)

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told - relentlessly! - that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture - the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and "go it alone" and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history - ancient Greece, ancient Rome - and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I'm gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here - this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be "the" book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere - say, anyone working primarily in STEM - literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either - as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm - but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website..... :)

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture - insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous - what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn't describe our culture I don't know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism - but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to "deconstruct" art and search for ominous and malevolent "oppressive meanings" in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Mikel, @S, @iffen, @Pro Bono

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking

    I would analyze “cause then effect” in the opposite order.

    When I studied history and literature, the texts were difficult to read and expressed traditional European values. A course labeled Western Civilization was something to be concerned about due to the intense workload. When the SJW Equity Globalists took over, these fields lost all credibility as the workload became lighter (for Equity) and wing-nut multicultural (to diminish European values).

    With the collapse of rigorous Liberal Arts education, those degrees they lost value as an employment credential. Even those not interested in STEM occupations correctly realized that their personal future would be bettered by obtaining a STEM degree. The objective nature of mathematics (there are provably *wrong* answers) was far harder for authoritarian liberalism to corrupt.

    A running observation from the Unz era (circa 90’s-00’s) UC system was identification of student major by looking at them. Asian = STEM; White = Finance, Business, or Law; Brown = Grievance Arts. Sadly, this does not appear to be a joke.
    ____

    The best STEM professionals actually are often very good “right brain”. Finding a new pattern amongst piles of data is an intuitive and essential feature of break thru research. This is why U.S. schools remain the best in Engineering & Science versus those in Asia that emphasize STEM grinding rather than cultivating creative thinking.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @A123

    Those are good points.

    I'd say SJW would be a classic left hemisphere phenomenon, with it's obsession with a completely abstract and logical "equality" that ignores empirical real world differences, and especially it's obsession with "equal outcomes" - the desire to reduce everyone to a logical sameness without concrete differences.

    Also, the idea that each race must be represented on every movie because a movie based in medieval Europe must nevertheless"look like today's America" etc.

    It's sort of like what an "abstract map" of justice someone suffering from autism - a classic right hemisphere deficit malady - might come up with if he couldn't understand emotion and empirical reality.

    So I'd see the two trends as different arms of the same phenomenon converging. Humanities and arts being captured by left hemisphere thinking while at the same time STEM undergoing a massive upgrade in prestige such that it's practically the only activity still considered high prestige in the West and the main factor in the economy.


    The best STEM professionals actually are often very good “right brain”. Finding a new pattern amongst piles of data is an intuitive and essential feature of break thru research. This is why U.S. schools remain the best in Engineering & Science versus those in Asia that emphasize STEM grinding rather than cultivating creative thinking.
     
    That is true, our best geniuses always had a lot of right hemisphere thinking, as creativity is literally impossible to the left hemisphere.

    But as we move more to a purely left hemisphere dominant culture, it's obvious that genius has been in significant, rapid, and probably terminal decline across the world.

    And the bureaucratic and legalist left hemisphere cognitive style that now dominates is actively hostile to originality and creativity.

    Do we have an advantage over Asia? It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life.

    Uber and Airbnb are just the logical extension of existing paradigms - but it's extremely notable that there is no "paradigm work" being done whatsoever. No "higher level" thinking being done at all.

    It's all rather trivial extensions of existing technology and trends.

    I was thinking the other day of how weird our times are when China bases it's claim to superiority on it's willingness to apply existing systems of pandemic control - which even if you think is a good thing, is not exactly earth shaking - and is about bureaucratic social control rather than creativity, ingenuity, discovery, or even just skillfulness. It just depends on a certain disposition in the populace and a certain ruthlessness in the government.

    Uber and Facebook and the like also strike me more as successful "social phenomena" more than scientific triumphs, if I think about it.

    This is what a left hemisphere dominated world brings.

    Incidentally, China's leaders are engineers - bad things, I am afraid, are in it's future (although it's already bad with the massive surveillance and control, and dedication to "utility").

    The problem now is global, and increasingly minute differences in different world regions don't seem to affect the overall picture that much.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @A123, @A123

  604. One reason I feel Mcgilchrist’s conceptual scheme has helped me better understand culture and history is because it is vastly superior to traditional divisions like modernity vs tradition, right vs left politically, etc.

    While I am developing an increased interest in tradition, I have increasingly been feeling uncomfortable with tradition vs modernity because there seems to be much in tradition that is objectionable – or better put, traditional society has frequently evolved into unappealing forms strikingly similar to what I object about modernity (authoritarianism, legalistic and bureaucratic thinking, etc).

    For instance, Islamic fundamentalism, extreme Jewish legalism, things like the anti-art and anti-joy Reformation and Puritanism, an empty and purely formalistic Confucianism unbalanced by Taoism that obtained for certain periods – one can easily understand why someone might object to tradition based on these, and many more examples.

    But for Mcgilchrist, these phenomena are simply left hemisphere thinking, as much as our current culture is. These traditional phenomena are obviously characterized by a hyper-rational, logical, algorithmic cognitive style that privileges bureaucratic systems over flexibility and abstraction and legalism over lived experience, and have a curiously “dead” and hall of mirrors feel to them (one is trapped in self-referential world rather than coming into creative contact with Reality).

    True religion and spirituality are mysterious and paradoxical phenomena that cannot be captured in clear and explicit language and bureaucratic systems – but the left hemisphere cannot understand paradox, and hates mystery and indistinctness.

    Mcgilchrist schema is much better at identifying strands within tradition and modernity that are bad rather than condemning them wholesale.

    And politically, right vs left is beginning to lose all meaning, when today, it is the right that has “leapfrogging” loyalties and is anti-patriotic, etc, and the left is increasingly authoritarian and anti-liberal.

    One other aspect of left hemisphere thinking is the hatred – or better, the incomprehension – of experience. To the left hemisphere, life is about power and utility.

    This is understandable because the proper and correct role of the left hemisphere is that of the “servant”, so being preoccupied with utility is appropriate.

    When I used to have those conversations with Daniel Chieh, he used to go on about how the purpose of life is increasing power and utility, “gain of function”, etc – I would say yes, but what are these things for? What’s the larger values-vision these things serve? What experience are they helping sustain?

    I used to get so frustrated he couldn’t understand – he was literally trapped in the role of the servant, and could not shift into the role of the enjoyer, or the role of the experiencer.

    If the left hemisphere takes over, you get a culture that forgets how to enjoy, experience, and value, and is on a treadmill where it has to gain more and more “function” even if it has no larger vision this added function might serve.

    Its just trapped in that role because the brain hemisphere it’s trained itself to live in literally cannot see beyond that!

    I remember as a kid when I first started reading the Western classics of literature, I started coming across literary criticism with it’s preoccupation with the “meaning” of the text.

    I remember being outraged that this completely misses the point of great literature – great literature is first and most an experience, being immersed in a world, enjoying and experiencing life in that world with those characters.

    Great literature is a piece of life itself – not a dead and lifeless meaning for the left hemisphere to dissect!

    But the left hemisphere cannot process “life” – only abstraction.

    Mcgilchrist quotes in his book the great French critic Walter Benjamin that in our modern age has no use for experience, only abstract mental maps.

  605. @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.
     
    I've never heard that many or most of the American soldiers involved in the My Lai massacre were black or Hispanic. I've never investigated the matter, but it seems to me if there any truth to it, the story would have been widely publicized over the decades on numerous racialist websites.

    Do you have any solid source for your remarkable claims?

    Replies: @216, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

    CPT Medina was hispanic
    2LT Calley was white
    SSG Mitchell was black
    SGT Torres was hispanic

    Most of the platoon was white.

    The events were covered up by a certain Maj. Colin Powell.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @216


    CPT Medina was hispanic
    2LT Calley was white
    SSG Mitchell was black
    SGT Torres was hispanic

    Most of the platoon was white.

    The events were covered up by a certain Maj. Colin Powell.
     
    Thanks. I'd known about Medina and Powell, and what you're saying accords exactly with my impression of the history, namely that some of the soldiers were probably black or Hispanic, but most were white.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

  606. @Wokechoke
    @AaronB

    Reason should serve passions…in other words. That’s either Hobbes or Burke isn’t it? Maybe Hume.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Not at all.

    The passions are referred to as “blind”. What is remarkable here is that the evidence now suggests that the part of the brain which processes emotion is significantly better at producing a more accurate picture of the world than the part that thinks solely logically, which is singularly prone to delusion – and delusions of a particularly disturbing character, alienating and paranoid, as in schizophrenia.

    Furthermore, left hemisphere thinking is not entirely emotionless despite it’s emphasis on “utility”. It’s a cognitive style that is characterized by anger and anxiety – even paranoia.

    Although, interestingly, it’s also associated with cheerfulness and optimism – mostly because it cannot see depth.

    Sadness is processed by the right hemisphere apparently. But sadness is closely linked to longing and yearning, and all three are “deep” emotions closely tied to spiritual development.

    I wonder if this is why I miss that beautiful, lyrical note of sad yearning and longing in Anglo culture which I find so notably present and enjoy so much in Japanese culture!

    I love the sad lyricism, the yearning and longing, in Japanese culture, even anime, and have long wondered at it’s seemingly near total absence in Anglo culture.

    I understand it better now.

    Actually, the first Lord of the Rings movie had this great quality of sad longing, especially the ending. So Anglo culture isn’t totally devoid of it.

  607. German_reader says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @LondonBob

    The Americans committed a massacre against German POWs here--


    George S. Pattons' war diary entry from January 4, 1945. Regarding the Chenogne massacre on January 1, 1945 Patton noted: "Also murdered 50 odd German med [sic]. I hope we can conceal this."

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenogne_massacre

    The British were the first to use concentration camps, 1899–1902

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps

    The Germans, who would use it later on the Hereros, claims that the term was invented by Kitchener,

    The term "concentration camp" was first used officially in the German-speaking world in 1904/05 to designate internment and transit camps for Herero and Nama prisoners. This term was "invented" or coined by the British field marshal and politician Herbert Kitchener, 1st Earl Kitchener: During the Second Boer War against the Boers of Dutch origin in South Africa around 1900, the women and children of the Boer population there, who were considered potential enemies, were in camps, which were officially designated as concentration camps, were grouped together and interned.

     

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_in_Deutsch-Südwestafrika

    Replies: @German_reader, @S

    The British were the first to use concentration camps, 1899–1902

    The Spanish had adopted similar methods in their war against the Cuban independence movement a few years before:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps#During_the_Cuban_War_of_Independence

    Maybe there are even earlier parallels, I’m not sure.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @216
    @German_reader


    Maybe there are even earlier parallels, I’m not sure.

     

    US Indian reservations
  608. @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.
     
    I've never heard that many or most of the American soldiers involved in the My Lai massacre were black or Hispanic. I've never investigated the matter, but it seems to me if there any truth to it, the story would have been widely publicized over the decades on numerous racialist websites.

    Do you have any solid source for your remarkable claims?

    Replies: @216, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

    I only recall one piece of the puzzle: U.S. Army Lt William Calley (who was charged in the massacre) does not appear to have what would be considered “good physiognomy.” His ears stick out. His chin is kind of weak. He seems short.

    In contrast Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson Jr. (who brought his chopper down in front of Vietnamese civilians in order to prevent them from being killed) has a strong jaw and more masculine face.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    And, in case anyone was wondering, the commanding officer, Captain Medina was pretty indio-looking.

    And, shockingly, Lt. Calley was the only one convicted.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @utu
    @songbird

    Your comment reassures me that I was correct when some time ago I have classified you in to the subhuman trash category which apparently constitutes the backbone of Sailer and Unz commentariat.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    Thompson, He had charisma.

    Replies: @songbird

  609. 216 says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    It’s certainly possible that Western intelligence services concocted the entire poison gas story.
     
    So we seem to be closer to an agreement.

    My point was quite simply that it shouldn’t matter even if Assad had ordered the use of poison gas, because toppling his regime would still probably only have made matters worse. Insisting that it was all made up is in a way already an implicit concession to the logic of “humanitarian” intervention. It shouldn’t matter either way.
     
    This is a separate argument. I strongly disagree with this logic because if Assad had in fact been using chemical attacks on a civilian population then a humanitarian intervention would be morally justified.

    But that's precisely why the cynical creeps who run the Western Deep State use these kinds of false flag attacks, and why someone like Assad is rational enough to avoid giving them the excuse. So they manufacture one for themselves. In addition, such an intervention would also require liquidating the jihadist scum, but we all know the West would never do that. That's why I don't support these interventions de facto, but that's a seperate argument from the principle.

    The Syrian gas attack hoax reminds me of the "think of the Afghan girls" propaganda even as they give space to roam for literal child paedophiles. Or how Afghanistan is now being starved - intentionally - by those who professed to care for its future.

    Replies: @German_reader, @216

    Or how Afghanistan is now being starved – intentionally – by those who professed to care for its future.

    By the disgusting PM Imran Khan of nuclear-armed Pakistan?

    Yes, that’s who is truly responsible for the oncoming famine. The vile Anti-Western leader who hypocritically took tens of billions in American aid and handed it right over to his Taliban friends.

    Khan is the one responsible, and humble conservative white Americans like me are being blamed by Third Wordists for their own leader’s actions.

  610. @German_reader
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    The British were the first to use concentration camps, 1899–1902
     
    The Spanish had adopted similar methods in their war against the Cuban independence movement a few years before:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps#During_the_Cuban_War_of_Independence

    Maybe there are even earlier parallels, I'm not sure.

    Replies: @216

    Maybe there are even earlier parallels, I’m not sure.

    US Indian reservations

  611. @AaronB
    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways - The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It's a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it - I am skipping around a lot - but so far it's a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It's impossible to overstate the importance of this book - it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It's basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks - the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere"sends" the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole - Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship - and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem - because if you're like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph :) You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked :)

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told - relentlessly! - that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture - the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and "go it alone" and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history - ancient Greece, ancient Rome - and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I'm gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here - this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be "the" book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere - say, anyone working primarily in STEM - literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either - as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm - but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website..... :)

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture - insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous - what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn't describe our culture I don't know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism - but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to "deconstruct" art and search for ominous and malevolent "oppressive meanings" in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Mikel, @S, @iffen, @Pro Bono

    I cannot replace Daniel, but if he were here, I am sure he would post something like this:

    But for more individual personality traits, such as creativity or a tendency toward the rational rather than the intuitive, there has been little or no evidence supporting a residence in one area of the brain. In fact, if you performed a CT scan, MRI scan, or even an autopsy on the brain of a mathematician and compared it to the brain of an artist, it’s unlikely you’d find much difference. And if you did the same for 1,000 mathematicians and artists, it’s unlikely that any clear pattern of difference in brain structure would emerge.

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/right-brainleft-brain-right-2017082512222

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @songbird

    You have to read the book and decide for yourself :) He discussed the scientific evidence in depth.

    It's a fun read too.

  612. @A123
    @AaronB


    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking
     
    I would analyze "cause then effect" in the opposite order.

    When I studied history and literature, the texts were difficult to read and expressed traditional European values. A course labeled Western Civilization was something to be concerned about due to the intense workload. When the SJW Equity Globalists took over, these fields lost all credibility as the workload became lighter (for Equity) and wing-nut multicultural (to diminish European values).

    With the collapse of rigorous Liberal Arts education, those degrees they lost value as an employment credential. Even those not interested in STEM occupations correctly realized that their personal future would be bettered by obtaining a STEM degree. The objective nature of mathematics (there are provably *wrong* answers) was far harder for authoritarian liberalism to corrupt.

    A running observation from the Unz era (circa 90's-00's) UC system was identification of student major by looking at them. Asian = STEM; White = Finance, Business, or Law; Brown = Grievance Arts. Sadly, this does not appear to be a joke.
    ____

    The best STEM professionals actually are often very good "right brain". Finding a new pattern amongst piles of data is an intuitive and essential feature of break thru research. This is why U.S. schools remain the best in Engineering & Science versus those in Asia that emphasize STEM grinding rather than cultivating creative thinking.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AaronB

    Those are good points.

    I’d say SJW would be a classic left hemisphere phenomenon, with it’s obsession with a completely abstract and logical “equality” that ignores empirical real world differences, and especially it’s obsession with “equal outcomes” – the desire to reduce everyone to a logical sameness without concrete differences.

    Also, the idea that each race must be represented on every movie because a movie based in medieval Europe must nevertheless”look like today’s America” etc.

    It’s sort of like what an “abstract map” of justice someone suffering from autism – a classic right hemisphere deficit malady – might come up with if he couldn’t understand emotion and empirical reality.

    So I’d see the two trends as different arms of the same phenomenon converging. Humanities and arts being captured by left hemisphere thinking while at the same time STEM undergoing a massive upgrade in prestige such that it’s practically the only activity still considered high prestige in the West and the main factor in the economy.

    The best STEM professionals actually are often very good “right brain”. Finding a new pattern amongst piles of data is an intuitive and essential feature of break thru research. This is why U.S. schools remain the best in Engineering & Science versus those in Asia that emphasize STEM grinding rather than cultivating creative thinking.

    That is true, our best geniuses always had a lot of right hemisphere thinking, as creativity is literally impossible to the left hemisphere.

    But as we move more to a purely left hemisphere dominant culture, it’s obvious that genius has been in significant, rapid, and probably terminal decline across the world.

    And the bureaucratic and legalist left hemisphere cognitive style that now dominates is actively hostile to originality and creativity.

    Do we have an advantage over Asia? It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life.

    Uber and Airbnb are just the logical extension of existing paradigms – but it’s extremely notable that there is no “paradigm work” being done whatsoever. No “higher level” thinking being done at all.

    It’s all rather trivial extensions of existing technology and trends.

    I was thinking the other day of how weird our times are when China bases it’s claim to superiority on it’s willingness to apply existing systems of pandemic control – which even if you think is a good thing, is not exactly earth shaking – and is about bureaucratic social control rather than creativity, ingenuity, discovery, or even just skillfulness. It just depends on a certain disposition in the populace and a certain ruthlessness in the government.

    Uber and Facebook and the like also strike me more as successful “social phenomena” more than scientific triumphs, if I think about it.

    This is what a left hemisphere dominated world brings.

    Incidentally, China’s leaders are engineers – bad things, I am afraid, are in it’s future (although it’s already bad with the massive surveillance and control, and dedication to “utility”).

    The problem now is global, and increasingly minute differences in different world regions don’t seem to affect the overall picture that much.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @AaronB


    It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life.

    Uber and Airbnb are just the logical extension of existing paradigms – but it’s extremely notable that there is no “paradigm work” being done whatsoever. No “higher level” thinking being done at all.

    It’s all rather trivial extensions of existing technology and trends.
     
    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/contra-hoel-on-aristocratic-tutoring

    P.S. glad to have you back.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @A123
    @AaronB


    That is true, our best geniuses always had a lot of right hemisphere thinking, as creativity is literally impossible to the left hemisphere.

    Do we have an advantage over Asia? It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life
     

    Asia STEM schools admission is very rote memorize & repeat for testing. Many hours upon hours are spend grinding away to get it. My impression is that the schools are also this way, but they may just be stuck with a student population that does not have the creativity to exploit opportunities.

    The best STEM schools in the U.S. still have self driven individuals and various purpose based clubs that cultivate interests outside of class. This interaction between classroom and personal activities opens up opportunities for creativity. For example, "build a vehicle for competition" between universities. There are solar power events, automated vehicles, and a variety of track and off road courses.

    http://www.industrytap.com/austin-st-paul-american-solar-challenge/19038

     
    http://d3z1rkrtcvm2b.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/7578219124_e0887d11b5_b.jpg
     

    The University of Michigan entry has a "high" body that opens under body area. Presumably they are looking for drag reduction and possibly additional stability. Some of the elements resemble catamaran hulls and airplane wings rather than automobiles.

    Presumably fund raising is key to these ventures, so the students have to develop personal skills and market their projects. Yes, STEM marketing, but still not dry calculations.


    Humanities and arts being captured by left hemisphere thinking while at the same time STEM undergoing a massive upgrade in prestige such that it’s practically the only activity still considered high prestige in the West and the main factor in the economy.
     
    I have to disagree. They are not be captured by "left thinking" they are being run into the ground with "not thinking". Students and faculty are indoctrinated with an unquestionable SJW dogma. Attempting to intellectually examine any of these humanities/arts concepts is immediately sanctioned. Thinking is not permitted.

    While U.S. red states will push back against PhD crazy. I do not think any of them have the bandwidth to fully decolonization major state, public universities and repopulate them with serious professors. There are too many other things that are more urgent. The best they can do is zero fund truly absurd programs out of existence.

    The best hope is for some European institutions to step up with rigorous Liberal Arts degrees that recapture the traditional approaches that have been lost. There is a deep historical tie to classic works and ancient culture. This does not exist in America, a country that is only a few hundred years old.

    PEACE 😇

    , @A123
    @AaronB

    As a supplemental follow up.

    Here is what Governor DeSantis is launching in Florida: (1)


    The University of Florida is set to receive $3 million to establish its Hamilton Center for Classical and Civic Education.

    "The purpose of the center is to support teaching and research concerning the ideas, traditions, and texts that form the foundations of western and American civilization," the amendment to Florida's SB 2524 reads, granting the authorization to the public university.

    These goals are to "Educate university students in core texts and great debates of Western civilization; Educate university students in the principles, ideals and institutions of the American political order; Educate university students in the foundations of responsible leadership and informed citizenship; Provide programming and training related to civic education and the values of open inquiry and civil discourse to support the K-20 system.
     
    While vastly better than no action. This does not address the undeniable fact -- Entire "Grievance Studies" Departments need 100% replacement or elimination.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://campusreform.org/article?id=19293
  613. @songbird
    @Ron Unz

    I only recall one piece of the puzzle: U.S. Army Lt William Calley (who was charged in the massacre) does not appear to have what would be considered "good physiognomy." His ears stick out. His chin is kind of weak. He seems short.

    In contrast Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson Jr. (who brought his chopper down in front of Vietnamese civilians in order to prevent them from being killed) has a strong jaw and more masculine face.

    Replies: @songbird, @utu, @Wokechoke

    And, in case anyone was wondering, the commanding officer, Captain Medina was pretty indio-looking.

    And, shockingly, Lt. Calley was the only one convicted.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    Yes I got his rank wrong. The Captain was a savage looking Aztec.

  614. @AaronB
    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways - The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It's a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it - I am skipping around a lot - but so far it's a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It's impossible to overstate the importance of this book - it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It's basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks - the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere"sends" the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole - Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship - and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem - because if you're like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph :) You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked :)

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told - relentlessly! - that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture - the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and "go it alone" and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history - ancient Greece, ancient Rome - and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I'm gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here - this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be "the" book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere - say, anyone working primarily in STEM - literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either - as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm - but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website..... :)

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture - insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous - what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn't describe our culture I don't know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism - but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to "deconstruct" art and search for ominous and malevolent "oppressive meanings" in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

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    It’s a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it – I am skipping around a lot – but so far it’s a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history

    …/…

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history

    …/…

    neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that

    Thanks a lot for those insights but it sounds like psychiatrist Mcgilchrist put a lot of right-side brain effort in that book, doesn’t it? 🙂

    Welcome back by the way. Did you visit the Capitol Reef area? I’d like to know how you’d compare it to other parts of Utah and the West.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Mikel

    Sorry, meant to say left-side brain effort. My morning caffeine dose is just beginning to take effect.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @AaronB
    @Mikel


    Thanks a lot for those insights but it sounds like psychiatrist Mcgilchrist put a lot of right-side brain effort in that book, doesn’t it? 🙂
     
    Well, I'd say Mcgilchrist in his book tries to unite both left hemisphere and right hemisphere thinking in the best kind of way.

    Mcgilchrist does not argue for an entirely right hemisphere way of thinking - one of the distinctive features of right hemisphere thinking is that it can see what the left sees, and integrate it into a larger whole, while the left cannot see what the right sees (and has contempt for what it cannot see).

    Ultimately, the two spheres are supposed to cooperate - and they do in the best kind of creativity - with the right dominating because it sees more and can integrate what the left sees into the larger picture.

    It is only the arrogant and narrowly-focused left that sees no use for the right hemisphere, because it has contempt for what it cannot understand and cannot see it's own limitations ("cannot know what it doesn't know" - it's good at taking apart and focusing narrowly, not seeing the larger picture).

    Welcome back by the way. Did you visit the Capitol Reef area? I’d like to know how you’d compare it to other parts of Utah and the West.
     
    Thanks! And yes, I did go through Capital Reef!

    I thought it was absolutely stupendous, with scenery easily equally to the more famous Utah areas. I would even say the red rock there has a special intensity not seen to the same degree in the other areas.

    I did not spend as much time there as I'd like, tbh. I think Arches and Zion are more popular for the sole reason that they are more accessible - Capital Reef is sort of in the back of beyond, like Escalante National Monument nearby.

    Capital Reef is a very unique and special place.

    Also, next time you're in that area if you have the time, definitely take highway 95 to Blanding (just south of Moab) once you leave Capital Reef.

    It is a gorgeous stretch of highway that passes through some extremely remote, rugged, and classic Utah desert scenery. There were barely any cars there, and there was a 100 mile stretch with signs warning you of no services.

    It's funny, I actually had just finished Nevada's so called "loneliest road" in America route 50, which is also stunning and beautiful in it's own way, but I felt Utah route 95 was much lonelier with less cars!

    If you can, it's well worth it.

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  615. @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.
     
    I've never heard that many or most of the American soldiers involved in the My Lai massacre were black or Hispanic. I've never investigated the matter, but it seems to me if there any truth to it, the story would have been widely publicized over the decades on numerous racialist websites.

    Do you have any solid source for your remarkable claims?

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    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview “many if not most units” have war crimes in Vietnam.

    I haven’t read his book (“Chasing The Light” 2020), but this is what he said if you watch his videos on YouTube.

    He also claims he experienced African Americans soldiers were less brutal, because they were ideologically not so much believing in this Vietnam war. Stone says he experienced culture difference within the platoons and he argues this relates to treatment of Vietnamese civilians (https://youtu.be/xndJ0TnafHE?t=84).

    He views Vietnam now through a kind of postcolonial theory (https://youtu.be/h1X43DNUkGY?t=125).

    Stone was volunteer soldier in Vietnam for over a year, in three different combat units, winner of many military awards. So, I assume, he saw a lot of things. At 3:10 in this view, he says about how he saw abuse of Vietnamese population, including rape. https://billmoyers.com/2013/02/08/moyers-moment-2009-oliver-stone-on-coming-to-terms-with-vietnam/

    Even he says he shot at Vietnamese civilians’ feet. “” Stone has admitted that a scene in Platoon, where an enraged Taylor fires at villagers’ feet, directly mirrors one of his own more manic moments: “I got angry. These people could be very obtuse. I felt like I wanted to kill someone, but I shot at the feet instead. I lost my mind. But I didn’t kill anyone in cold blood.”” https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2018/07/27/oliver-stone-vietnam/

    He was from an upper class family and volunteered to fight in Vietnam, as a result of psychological crisis while he was in Yale University.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    he experienced African Americans soldiers were less brutal, because they were ideologically not so much believing in this Vietnam war.
     
    I find it difficult to believe that any ideological concerns about the larger purpose of the war played much of a role in war crimes in Vietnam. The killers at My Lai were angry because they were facing an unseen enemy that had killed several of their comrades with such "unfair" methods as booby-traps, and they suspected that all Vietnamese were secretly supporting this, so they came to see all of them as enemies. The only "ideological" aspect may have been that the racial and cultural distance from Vietnamese made it easier to dehumanize them.
    Anyway, it seems that the recent claims about Russian war crimes already have caused plenty of European politicians to announce more sanctions will be enacted. Seems to be entirely media-driven, since I don't believe they have any real knowledge about what actually happened that goes beyond what Ukraine is saying or what's circulating on Twitter.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview “many if not most units” have war crimes in Vietnam.
     
    Sure, I'd always vaguely assumed that there had been many, many small-scale massacres during the Vietnam War. In fact, that case with Sen. Bob Kerrey got lots of attention twenty-odd years ago.

    But I remain very skeptical about most of the soldiers in the particular My Lai massacre being non-white until I get some solid evidence for that claim.

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  616. @Mikel
    @AaronB


    It’s a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it – I am skipping around a lot – but so far it’s a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history

    .../...

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history

    .../...

    neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that
     
    Thanks a lot for those insights but it sounds like psychiatrist Mcgilchrist put a lot of right-side brain effort in that book, doesn't it? :-)

    Welcome back by the way. Did you visit the Capitol Reef area? I'd like to know how you'd compare it to other parts of Utah and the West.

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    Sorry, meant to say left-side brain effort. My morning caffeine dose is just beginning to take effect.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel

    Caffeine is a drug...

    https://www.drugscience.org.uk/drug-information/caffeine/

    What are we supposed to do with those forms that ask, "Are you taking any drugs?"
    ... " Only legal ones !!!"
    ____

    I am not a cold brew addict.

    😁 Repeat *NOT* a cold brew addict!!! 😂



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/9e/07/499e07d8cf4c00bff480c306372510ef.jpg

     
    PEACE 😇
    __________

    P.S. If you wish to accuse me of odd posting times while on excessive caffeine... I plead guilty in advance... Q1 closing is coming.

     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/ed/2a/63ed2a10100957505c0ec4da7c30d56c.jpg

     
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/06/1f/51/061f519c18870cb51a0add2c817a016a.jpg

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Some graders only dock you a point or two for a sign error.

    McGilgrist may don some protective coloration but he is dogmatic atheist materialist to his core.

    Aaron B needs to find some Animism for his unblown mind. Trees think. Mushrooms came from outer space. Do more acid. : )

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  617. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview "many if not most units" have war crimes in Vietnam.

    I haven't read his book ("Chasing The Light" 2020), but this is what he said if you watch his videos on YouTube.

    He also claims he experienced African Americans soldiers were less brutal, because they were ideologically not so much believing in this Vietnam war. Stone says he experienced culture difference within the platoons and he argues this relates to treatment of Vietnamese civilians (https://youtu.be/xndJ0TnafHE?t=84).

    He views Vietnam now through a kind of postcolonial theory (https://youtu.be/h1X43DNUkGY?t=125).

    Stone was volunteer soldier in Vietnam for over a year, in three different combat units, winner of many military awards. So, I assume, he saw a lot of things. At 3:10 in this view, he says about how he saw abuse of Vietnamese population, including rape. https://billmoyers.com/2013/02/08/moyers-moment-2009-oliver-stone-on-coming-to-terms-with-vietnam/

    Even he says he shot at Vietnamese civilians' feet. "” Stone has admitted that a scene in Platoon, where an enraged Taylor fires at villagers’ feet, directly mirrors one of his own more manic moments: “I got angry. These people could be very obtuse. I felt like I wanted to kill someone, but I shot at the feet instead. I lost my mind. But I didn’t kill anyone in cold blood.”" https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2018/07/27/oliver-stone-vietnam/

    He was from an upper class family and volunteered to fight in Vietnam, as a result of psychological crisis while he was in Yale University.

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    he experienced African Americans soldiers were less brutal, because they were ideologically not so much believing in this Vietnam war.

    I find it difficult to believe that any ideological concerns about the larger purpose of the war played much of a role in war crimes in Vietnam. The killers at My Lai were angry because they were facing an unseen enemy that had killed several of their comrades with such “unfair” methods as booby-traps, and they suspected that all Vietnamese were secretly supporting this, so they came to see all of them as enemies. The only “ideological” aspect may have been that the racial and cultural distance from Vietnamese made it easier to dehumanize them.
    Anyway, it seems that the recent claims about Russian war crimes already have caused plenty of European politicians to announce more sanctions will be enacted. Seems to be entirely media-driven, since I don’t believe they have any real knowledge about what actually happened that goes beyond what Ukraine is saying or what’s circulating on Twitter.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    unseen enemy that had killed several of their comrades
     
    In his film "Platoon" (1986), Oliver Stone uses this reason as motivation of the soldiers, before the scene of killings of a village.

    He also includes a lot of the other themes he talks about in interviews, such as the culture conflict within the platoon, and the African American soldiers representing the more sceptical ("class consciousness") position about the war.

    He has a Vietnam War trilogy of films "Platoon", "Born on 4th of July", "Heaven and Earth". I've seen the first two, and he uses the same themes he repeats in all the interviews, in those films.


    “ideological” aspect may have been that the racial and cultural distance from
     
    In the older interviews, Stone emphasizes this less, than in the newer interviews. So perhaps his view can be influenced by subsequent postcolonial views he has politicized himself with, in subsequent decades of his life. Although I saw quite a few interviews of him (very interesting dude) he seemed quite consistent in factual claims he remembers in old and new interviews, just with changes in emphasis.
  618. S says:
    @AaronB
    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways - The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It's a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it - I am skipping around a lot - but so far it's a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It's impossible to overstate the importance of this book - it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It's basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks - the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere"sends" the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole - Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship - and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem - because if you're like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph :) You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked :)

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told - relentlessly! - that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture - the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and "go it alone" and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history - ancient Greece, ancient Rome - and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I'm gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here - this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be "the" book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere - say, anyone working primarily in STEM - literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either - as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm - but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website..... :)

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture - insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous - what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn't describe our culture I don't know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism - but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to "deconstruct" art and search for ominous and malevolent "oppressive meanings" in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

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    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and “go it alone” and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    I’d always wondered what exactly was going on with Kirk in The Enemy Within! 😉

    More seriously, thanks for the abbreviated book review and recommendation. It does sound to be quite insightful.

    I suppose I think much of the problem the book you posted upon describes could at its roots in large part be explained by society’s utter failure to succesfully address a massive (and seemingly worsening) global problem of psychological dysfunctionality, amongst both individuals and familys, which coloring many things as it does, is threatening to rip civilization apart.

    Just as mid 19th century (and prior) physical medical practitioners were overwhelmed by the sheer scope of the problem of physical ailments, so, too, are today’s doctors of the human psyche overwhelmed in their field in regards to the psychological problems of the individual.

    Then in the West, in regards to physical health, came the latter 19th and early 20th century revolutions in germ theory, clean water and food, the importance of exercise, and the associated great public health campaigns. As a result, people were no longer ‘dying like flies’ as they had been.

    A similar (yet to take place) revolution needs to take place in regards to the health of the human mind. Perhaps the book you’ve outlined could be part of such a revolution.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_%28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29

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    @S

    There is a lot of truth in what you say.

    It is not widely recognized by our culture that cognitive styles, and beliefs and attitudes, can play a role in mental health.

    It does not seem surprising to me, that a cognitive style that is mostly concerned with power and utility, and that proceeds by deconstructing larger wholes, will lead to poor mental health, anxiety, paranoia, and create people who are angry, and divided.

    I do indeed think that this book can and will play a role in recovering our mental and spiritual health - frankly, if we even start having a conversation about our cultural foundations instead of our unintelligent conversation about which version of left hemisphere culture is best - China? America? - it will be a massive intellectual advance.

    As of now, our intellectual culture is to narrow focused, and thus, unintelligent.

  619. @Mikel
    @AaronB


    It’s a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it – I am skipping around a lot – but so far it’s a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history

    .../...

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history

    .../...

    neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that
     
    Thanks a lot for those insights but it sounds like psychiatrist Mcgilchrist put a lot of right-side brain effort in that book, doesn't it? :-)

    Welcome back by the way. Did you visit the Capitol Reef area? I'd like to know how you'd compare it to other parts of Utah and the West.

    Replies: @Mikel, @AaronB

    Thanks a lot for those insights but it sounds like psychiatrist Mcgilchrist put a lot of right-side brain effort in that book, doesn’t it? 🙂

    Well, I’d say Mcgilchrist in his book tries to unite both left hemisphere and right hemisphere thinking in the best kind of way.

    Mcgilchrist does not argue for an entirely right hemisphere way of thinking – one of the distinctive features of right hemisphere thinking is that it can see what the left sees, and integrate it into a larger whole, while the left cannot see what the right sees (and has contempt for what it cannot see).

    Ultimately, the two spheres are supposed to cooperate – and they do in the best kind of creativity – with the right dominating because it sees more and can integrate what the left sees into the larger picture.

    It is only the arrogant and narrowly-focused left that sees no use for the right hemisphere, because it has contempt for what it cannot understand and cannot see it’s own limitations (“cannot know what it doesn’t know” – it’s good at taking apart and focusing narrowly, not seeing the larger picture).

    Welcome back by the way. Did you visit the Capitol Reef area? I’d like to know how you’d compare it to other parts of Utah and the West.

    Thanks! And yes, I did go through Capital Reef!

    I thought it was absolutely stupendous, with scenery easily equally to the more famous Utah areas. I would even say the red rock there has a special intensity not seen to the same degree in the other areas.

    I did not spend as much time there as I’d like, tbh. I think Arches and Zion are more popular for the sole reason that they are more accessible – Capital Reef is sort of in the back of beyond, like Escalante National Monument nearby.

    Capital Reef is a very unique and special place.

    Also, next time you’re in that area if you have the time, definitely take highway 95 to Blanding (just south of Moab) once you leave Capital Reef.

    It is a gorgeous stretch of highway that passes through some extremely remote, rugged, and classic Utah desert scenery. There were barely any cars there, and there was a 100 mile stretch with signs warning you of no services.

    It’s funny, I actually had just finished Nevada’s so called “loneliest road” in America route 50, which is also stunning and beautiful in it’s own way, but I felt Utah route 95 was much lonelier with less cars!

    If you can, it’s well worth it.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AaronB

    Thanks for sharing your impressions. You seem to have taken a most scenic way back from California to the East. Every time I've been to Blanding I drove from Moab but I looked at UT-95 on Google Earth and it's clear that it must be an awesome route. UT-12 from Torrey in Capitol Reef NP to Escalante is also purported to be one of the best scenic routes in the West but, like you, I barely had the time to see some of the essentials in the Park and left feeling that I'd only seen less than 1%. Considering its size (~100 miles North to South), it would easily take a lifetime of exploring to get to know all secret beauties of Capitol Reef.

    BTW, while hiking on a rather remote trail of the park, my son and I suddenly came across an old man who was slowly hiking on his own with the aid of trekking poles. He looked frail and tired but we had a chat and he was in good humor. He gave us some tips for the way ahead and continued his march. I've thought quite a lot about this man. I can also imagine myself spending most of my time in my last years exploring as much as I can of these fantastic landscapes around me.

    In the Wasatch area we are at most 1-1.5 hours away of 4 types of deserts: sagebrush land like the one you saw along most the US-50 in Nevada, isolated red rock outcrops similar to Moab or Bryce Canyon (eg Devil's Kitchen), sand dunes in parts of the ancient Boneville dry lakebed (eg Little Sahara) and the psychedelic Salt Flats west of the Great Salt Lake. All of that while living in a pure Rocky Mountain alpine environment. With so much to enjoy nearby I don't feel the need to visit the big parks as much as if I lived in an eastern city but still, every time we go to one of the Utah Mighty Five we understand why those places received their special status.

    Another remote and seldom visited NP in our neighborhood is Nevada's Great Basin NP. I've seen some gorgeous pictures. So much to discover and so little time...

    Replies: @AaronB

  620. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @Mikel

    Sorry, meant to say left-side brain effort. My morning caffeine dose is just beginning to take effect.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Caffeine is a drug…

    https://www.drugscience.org.uk/drug-information/caffeine/

    What are we supposed to do with those forms that ask, “Are you taking any drugs?”
    … ” Only legal ones !!!”
    ____

    I am not a cold brew addict.

    😁 Repeat *NOT* a cold brew addict!!! 😂

    [MORE]

     
    PEACE 😇
    __________

    P.S. If you wish to accuse me of odd posting times while on excessive caffeine… I plead guilty in advance… Q1 closing is coming.

     

     

  621. German Retailers To Increase Food Prices By 20-50% On Monday

    -headline by utu’s favorite columnist

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/german-retailers-increase-food-prices-20-50-monday

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    Even fake conservative FAZ today reported about a survey, according to which 15,2% of adults in Germany have financial difficulties due to the rising prices of foodstuffs and normal consumer goods:
    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/umfrage-hoher-inflation-bringt-viele-menschen-in-existenznot-17929415.html
    Inflation is the highest since 1981 (in West Germany). Will be fantastic when either Russia cuts off the gas or Germany cuts it off herself because of the war crimes pictures. The anti-nuclear movement has a lot to answer for.

    Replies: @songbird

  622. @LatW
    @Dmitry

    Btw, Nevzorov fled to Dubai.
    Sobchak has been in Israel for 2 weeks now.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Probably just rumor rather than real emigration? But maybe she would also be able to attain a working visa in Israel, as she has worked with the government in Israel already (she produced advertising for the Ministry of Tourism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQHLSFqtduk.).

    Her father had probably elite friends in Israel. Putin says he himself has fallen in love with Israel as result of leading delegations of Saint-Petersburg Mayor’s office to Israel in the 1990s when he working for Sobchak.

    Also a lot of non-Jewish roots celebrities in Russia have vacation houses in Israel just as another place to throw their money. Pugacheva was such an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_lHBfd65lk. But I believe they would still only receive 3 month tourist visas.

    Chulpan Khamatova (an awarded local actress in Moscow) was able to attain a residency visa in Latvia and emigrated there permanently now. But it seems like she has prepared for a decade, buying utopian property in the Latvian countryside. Maybe your neighbor? https://meduza.io/feature/2018/10/26/beslan-nord-ost-i-tochka-nevozvrata

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Probably just rumor rather than real emigration?
     
    I'm just going by what the Russian press is writing. She bailed. Whether it's "real emigration", you know, it's a kind of a flexible term these days. Our friend Morgie also left for a vacation in Dubai and it seems he's still there months later. If one lives overseas for a month or so, not sure if that can be deemed "emigration", "Philosopher's ship", some kind of parallel life? It's not the worst. My feel is that she is trying to reorganize her work life, but she couldn't monetize her YouTube channel. I know that many Russian journalists who had to bail Russia created an alternative media infrastructure. Yes, Israel sounds interesting, I'm very curious about Israel now.

    So Nevzorov was there, too, recently and performed for some kind of a Russophone audience. But he mentioned that he was "around camels" when he went on Gordon, so I assume he was in Dubai. Tbh, I don't necessarily share his political views, he is pretty far out in his libertarianism, I mostly like his rants for linguistic reasons, he has very colorful speech, I'd say his genre is "political satire"?

    Speaking of Sobchak's dad... a video resurfaced of him speaking about Ukraine in 1991. It is evident from his words that Russia never really accepted 1991 was final, major major objections to Ukraine even having a serious army at all.. and this shows that way more attention should've been paid to this to mitigate things... if that could've been possible at all, maybe not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arQ6v9Yzd3k


    Chulpan Khamatova (an awarded local actress in Moscow) was able to attain a residency visa in Latvia and emigrated there permanently now. But it seems like she has prepared for a decade, buying utopian property in the Latvian countryside. Maybe your neighbor?
     
    Maybe future neighbor, hahaha, as recently I've been thinking more and more about country side properties -- traditional ones plus a newly built bunker. Oh, this actress lives deep in the woods, with deer roaming around, very romantic. Some of my friends have such properties, are remodeling them, my ex has a large traditional type estate, with an ancestral oak and tons of space.

    I was planning to return to my home town, to my family beach property, we have many famous (and non0-famous) Russian neighbors there. Athletes, entertainment people, theater directors, middle and upper middle class. And of course many guests during the summer. I really used to enjoy in the summers that the SKA junior hockey team visited, hung out at the spa (please don't get any wrong ideas, it's purely platonic). It was nice to see their youthful energy and it was flattering that they would visit, since they have many options where to spend vacations.

    But now it is all over...

    Replies: @Dmitry

  623. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    German Retailers To Increase Food Prices By 20-50% On Monday
     
    -headline by utu's favorite columnist

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/german-retailers-increase-food-prices-20-50-monday

    Replies: @German_reader

    Even fake conservative FAZ today reported about a survey, according to which 15,2% of adults in Germany have financial difficulties due to the rising prices of foodstuffs and normal consumer goods:
    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/umfrage-hoher-inflation-bringt-viele-menschen-in-existenznot-17929415.html
    Inflation is the highest since 1981 (in West Germany). Will be fantastic when either Russia cuts off the gas or Germany cuts it off herself because of the war crimes pictures. The anti-nuclear movement has a lot to answer for.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    Inflation is the highest since 1981 (in West Germany).
     
    That's actually darkly pretty funny, as they did a 1:1 exchange during reunification.
    ____
    BTW, I thought the Bee had a funny story about Conan:

    Conan The Barbarian Acquires Biology Degree So He Can Know Whose Lamentations He's Hearing
     
    https://babylonbee.com/news/conan-the-barbarian-acquires-biology-degree-so-he-can-know-whose-lamentations-hes-hearing/
  624. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Lukashenka...trying to neutralize him in one way or another would be something that could be worth trying
     
    You dance around calling for overthrow of the Minsk government like a weepy teenager. The endless calls in the West to 'replace regimes' in places they don't like is the core aspect of the neo-con ideology. You don't see yourself as a neo-con - maybe even sincerely dislike them - but here you are advocating their main policy. Each country touched by the neo-con idiocy has suffered and turned into a dusty backwater. It is the insane urge to meddle, you suggesting more meddling will have the same results. Even in Minsk.

    Russia just destroyed the beautiful suburb of Bucha, so no, absolutely, not, Russia does not want peace and stability
     
    Ukraine destroyed the beautiful cities of Donbas killing at least 3k civilians. Were any Ukrainians in Bucha bothered by that? We don't know what happened in Bucha - it is a war zone and all sides lie - but it could be a pay-back for what Kiev did to Donetsk. You can go on about "what-aboutism" and how the Buchaites were always for peace, or whatever. The reality is that when you shoot and bomb others with no regard for their civilians, they may eventually turn it at you. That's the tragedy of all wars - the fact that when the enemy is within reach so are you. This is something Kiev should had thought about in all those long triumphalist 8 years. But they didn't.

    Replies: @LatW

    Beckow,

    Please kindly do not respond to my posts going forward. Last time we spoke, you made a couple of blatant lies about my country. That kind of takes all the fun out of.

    Overall, I enjoyed conversing with you. Bye.

    • LOL: Yahya
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    I don't recall, but we can ignore each other. I am glad you discovered your feminine side...

  625. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    he experienced African Americans soldiers were less brutal, because they were ideologically not so much believing in this Vietnam war.
     
    I find it difficult to believe that any ideological concerns about the larger purpose of the war played much of a role in war crimes in Vietnam. The killers at My Lai were angry because they were facing an unseen enemy that had killed several of their comrades with such "unfair" methods as booby-traps, and they suspected that all Vietnamese were secretly supporting this, so they came to see all of them as enemies. The only "ideological" aspect may have been that the racial and cultural distance from Vietnamese made it easier to dehumanize them.
    Anyway, it seems that the recent claims about Russian war crimes already have caused plenty of European politicians to announce more sanctions will be enacted. Seems to be entirely media-driven, since I don't believe they have any real knowledge about what actually happened that goes beyond what Ukraine is saying or what's circulating on Twitter.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    unseen enemy that had killed several of their comrades

    In his film “Platoon” (1986), Oliver Stone uses this reason as motivation of the soldiers, before the scene of killings of a village.

    He also includes a lot of the other themes he talks about in interviews, such as the culture conflict within the platoon, and the African American soldiers representing the more sceptical (“class consciousness”) position about the war.

    He has a Vietnam War trilogy of films “Platoon”, “Born on 4th of July”, “Heaven and Earth”. I’ve seen the first two, and he uses the same themes he repeats in all the interviews, in those films.

    “ideological” aspect may have been that the racial and cultural distance from

    In the older interviews, Stone emphasizes this less, than in the newer interviews. So perhaps his view can be influenced by subsequent postcolonial views he has politicized himself with, in subsequent decades of his life. Although I saw quite a few interviews of him (very interesting dude) he seemed quite consistent in factual claims he remembers in old and new interviews, just with changes in emphasis.

  626. @songbird
    @AaronB

    I cannot replace Daniel, but if he were here, I am sure he would post something like this:



    But for more individual personality traits, such as creativity or a tendency toward the rational rather than the intuitive, there has been little or no evidence supporting a residence in one area of the brain. In fact, if you performed a CT scan, MRI scan, or even an autopsy on the brain of a mathematician and compared it to the brain of an artist, it’s unlikely you’d find much difference. And if you did the same for 1,000 mathematicians and artists, it’s unlikely that any clear pattern of difference in brain structure would emerge.
     
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/right-brainleft-brain-right-2017082512222

    Replies: @AaronB

    You have to read the book and decide for yourself 🙂 He discussed the scientific evidence in depth.

    It’s a fun read too.

    • Thanks: songbird
  627. @AaronB
    @A123

    Those are good points.

    I'd say SJW would be a classic left hemisphere phenomenon, with it's obsession with a completely abstract and logical "equality" that ignores empirical real world differences, and especially it's obsession with "equal outcomes" - the desire to reduce everyone to a logical sameness without concrete differences.

    Also, the idea that each race must be represented on every movie because a movie based in medieval Europe must nevertheless"look like today's America" etc.

    It's sort of like what an "abstract map" of justice someone suffering from autism - a classic right hemisphere deficit malady - might come up with if he couldn't understand emotion and empirical reality.

    So I'd see the two trends as different arms of the same phenomenon converging. Humanities and arts being captured by left hemisphere thinking while at the same time STEM undergoing a massive upgrade in prestige such that it's practically the only activity still considered high prestige in the West and the main factor in the economy.


    The best STEM professionals actually are often very good “right brain”. Finding a new pattern amongst piles of data is an intuitive and essential feature of break thru research. This is why U.S. schools remain the best in Engineering & Science versus those in Asia that emphasize STEM grinding rather than cultivating creative thinking.
     
    That is true, our best geniuses always had a lot of right hemisphere thinking, as creativity is literally impossible to the left hemisphere.

    But as we move more to a purely left hemisphere dominant culture, it's obvious that genius has been in significant, rapid, and probably terminal decline across the world.

    And the bureaucratic and legalist left hemisphere cognitive style that now dominates is actively hostile to originality and creativity.

    Do we have an advantage over Asia? It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life.

    Uber and Airbnb are just the logical extension of existing paradigms - but it's extremely notable that there is no "paradigm work" being done whatsoever. No "higher level" thinking being done at all.

    It's all rather trivial extensions of existing technology and trends.

    I was thinking the other day of how weird our times are when China bases it's claim to superiority on it's willingness to apply existing systems of pandemic control - which even if you think is a good thing, is not exactly earth shaking - and is about bureaucratic social control rather than creativity, ingenuity, discovery, or even just skillfulness. It just depends on a certain disposition in the populace and a certain ruthlessness in the government.

    Uber and Facebook and the like also strike me more as successful "social phenomena" more than scientific triumphs, if I think about it.

    This is what a left hemisphere dominated world brings.

    Incidentally, China's leaders are engineers - bad things, I am afraid, are in it's future (although it's already bad with the massive surveillance and control, and dedication to "utility").

    The problem now is global, and increasingly minute differences in different world regions don't seem to affect the overall picture that much.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @A123, @A123

    It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life.

    Uber and Airbnb are just the logical extension of existing paradigms – but it’s extremely notable that there is no “paradigm work” being done whatsoever. No “higher level” thinking being done at all.

    It’s all rather trivial extensions of existing technology and trends.

    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/contra-hoel-on-aristocratic-tutoring

    P.S. glad to have you back.

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Thulean Friend

    Thanks for the article, much food for thought.

    I agree with the author when he says genius has declined because of "tall poppy syndrome" - I would say our society has developed a hostility even to the unconventional, how much more so to the exceptional.

    I find his contention that there is less to discover and it's harder to come by with the advance of time because the major things have already been done more problematic - this can easily be an illusion of perspective.

    Histories of science I read when younger would love to highlight the fact that in the late 19th century, there was apparently a growing consensus that nearly everything worthwhile had been discovered and journalists were reporting this :)

    It's worth mentioning that this idea that as you advance knowledge in a field new discoveries get harder is a new idea that is exactly opposite to how this used to be regarded - in fact, it used to be thought that the more advanced in a particular field, the easier it gets! "On the shoulders of Giants" and all that.

    It's also worth mentioning that David Graeber in his book on bureaucracy, says that major discoveries have ground to a half, and the "space age" technology he was promised as a child never materialized, because bureaucratic systems replaced the bold, daring, and adventurous science of old.

    In other words, society changed it's preference to the reliable and safe over the bold sand daring.

    This preference for safety seems connected to tall poppy syndrome.

    Finally, I think aristocratic tutoring is certainly superior to factory-style bureaucratic schooling in producing original minds - but like the other factors mentioned, these are all examples of left hemisphere capture and the move to a hyper rational, controlled, bureaucratic, and safe society, over an imaginative, intuitive, more anarchic and loving of adventure and discovery society.

    It's interesting the author says in some fields there are indeed paradigm shifting thinkers at work - I can't judge if that's really true, and am included to doubt that AI aligning can produce paradigm shifting work rather than reinforce existing paradigms, but history will tell.

    If he's right, then that's great news and shows that there always counter-trends within the dominant trends in any society - and it's good to be reminded things are never so simple and one-dimensional!

    Replies: @sher singh

  628. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend

    That wasn't there when I read your comment, must have been an edit. And de facto is all that matters anyway.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    And de facto is all that matters anyway.

    I disagree. A strong normative rejection of biological and chemical weapons use in regular warfare is necessary to dissuade weaker powers from using them wantonly. If there was a relatively high certainty among dictators that they could get away using chemical weapons (e.g. like Saddam got away far too easily during the late 1980s when he gassed the kurds), then we would see many more such instances. There was also a lot of self-introspection and criticism in America after he did his crimes, precisely because he was aligned with D.C. during those years.

    Principles matter. Without them, any de facto decision about intervention becomes moot since they are the anchor around which any decision must be made. That the world is awash with cynical false flag attacks is another problem altogether.

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Thulean Friend

    https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical-weapons-anymore/

    Wrong chemical agents aren't used by modern systems due to the low cost of prevention.
    High cost of storage & deployment vs High-Explosive Munitions.

    Static system armies use them though||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @songbird

  629. @German_reader
    @songbird

    Even fake conservative FAZ today reported about a survey, according to which 15,2% of adults in Germany have financial difficulties due to the rising prices of foodstuffs and normal consumer goods:
    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/umfrage-hoher-inflation-bringt-viele-menschen-in-existenznot-17929415.html
    Inflation is the highest since 1981 (in West Germany). Will be fantastic when either Russia cuts off the gas or Germany cuts it off herself because of the war crimes pictures. The anti-nuclear movement has a lot to answer for.

    Replies: @songbird

    Inflation is the highest since 1981 (in West Germany).

    That’s actually darkly pretty funny, as they did a 1:1 exchange during reunification.
    ____
    BTW, I thought the Bee had a funny story about Conan:

    Conan The Barbarian Acquires Biology Degree So He Can Know Whose Lamentations He’s Hearing

    https://babylonbee.com/news/conan-the-barbarian-acquires-biology-degree-so-he-can-know-whose-lamentations-hes-hearing/

  630. I don’t have any a priori oppositon against nuclear energy. Certainly a lot of arguments made against them are foolish, such as the claims of insufficient safety.

    But its proponents must also be honest that costs overruns has been a persistent drag on the sector in recent times.

    This is true whether you look at trendslines:

    Or at absolute levels:

    Renewables cannot replace nuclear as a baseload power, although battery storage is getting better – fast.

    Frankly speaking, gas was and remains the most logical bridge for Europe until we either get battery storage up to par or even nuclear fusion (the recent progress has been exceptional).

    Europe’s problem is not energy: it’s geopolitics. It allows its energy policies be dictated by Washington’s strategic imperatives. But that’s a political problem that can only be solved at the highest level, and it’s unfair to blame energy policies for it, when they are just collateral damage.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Europe’s problem is not energy: it’s geopolitics. It allows its energy policies be dictated by Washington’s strategic imperatives.
     
    It's pretty funny how you go on about "principles" that would have mandated an intervention in Syria because of chemical weapons use, but don't see an issue at all with Russia's invasion of Ukraine (it's always "Putin was backed into a corner by America, he had no choice, Ukraine should give up, if they don't Russia should drop all restraint"), or that there might be a problem with energy dependence on a country whose leadership considers such a course of action legitimate and rational.

    Replies: @LatW

  631. @S
    @AaronB


    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and “go it alone” and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.
     
    I'd always wondered what exactly was going on with Kirk in The Enemy Within! ;-)

    More seriously, thanks for the abbreviated book review and recommendation. It does sound to be quite insightful.

    I suppose I think much of the problem the book you posted upon describes could at its roots in large part be explained by society's utter failure to succesfully address a massive (and seemingly worsening) global problem of psychological dysfunctionality, amongst both individuals and familys, which coloring many things as it does, is threatening to rip civilization apart.

    Just as mid 19th century (and prior) physical medical practitioners were overwhelmed by the sheer scope of the problem of physical ailments, so, too, are today's doctors of the human psyche overwhelmed in their field in regards to the psychological problems of the individual.

    Then in the West, in regards to physical health, came the latter 19th and early 20th century revolutions in germ theory, clean water and food, the importance of exercise, and the associated great public health campaigns. As a result, people were no longer 'dying like flies' as they had been.

    A similar (yet to take place) revolution needs to take place in regards to the health of the human mind. Perhaps the book you've outlined could be part of such a revolution.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rz20gE1iSZo/WVbtSoOzvYI/AAAAAAAACqg/cvLizjcNGnoZcE-nBQVBQQNdwghFselywCLcBGAs/s280/enemywithin_startrek.jpg


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_%28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29

    Replies: @AaronB

    There is a lot of truth in what you say.

    It is not widely recognized by our culture that cognitive styles, and beliefs and attitudes, can play a role in mental health.

    It does not seem surprising to me, that a cognitive style that is mostly concerned with power and utility, and that proceeds by deconstructing larger wholes, will lead to poor mental health, anxiety, paranoia, and create people who are angry, and divided.

    I do indeed think that this book can and will play a role in recovering our mental and spiritual health – frankly, if we even start having a conversation about our cultural foundations instead of our unintelligent conversation about which version of left hemisphere culture is best – China? America? – it will be a massive intellectual advance.

    As of now, our intellectual culture is to narrow focused, and thus, unintelligent.

  632. S says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @LondonBob

    The Americans committed a massacre against German POWs here--


    George S. Pattons' war diary entry from January 4, 1945. Regarding the Chenogne massacre on January 1, 1945 Patton noted: "Also murdered 50 odd German med [sic]. I hope we can conceal this."

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenogne_massacre

    The British were the first to use concentration camps, 1899–1902

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps

    The Germans, who would use it later on the Hereros, claims that the term was invented by Kitchener,

    The term "concentration camp" was first used officially in the German-speaking world in 1904/05 to designate internment and transit camps for Herero and Nama prisoners. This term was "invented" or coined by the British field marshal and politician Herbert Kitchener, 1st Earl Kitchener: During the Second Boer War against the Boers of Dutch origin in South Africa around 1900, the women and children of the Boer population there, who were considered potential enemies, were in camps, which were officially designated as concentration camps, were grouped together and interned.

     

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager_in_Deutsch-Südwestafrika

    Replies: @German_reader, @S

    George S. Pattons’ war diary entry from January 4, 1945. Regarding the Chenogne massacre on January 1, 1945 Patton noted: “Also murdered 50 odd German med [sic]. I hope we can conceal this.”

    Thanks, I’d never heard of that one.

    That example, and those like it below, where if an official report was made, it was often figuratively (if not literally at times) wadded up into a ball and tossed into the nearest trash receptacle and nothing of any consequence done, is why I don’t support the legal concept of ‘war crimes’ as presently understood.

    Sure, for a variety of reasons, and if only out of what might be termed ‘enlightened self interest’, such things should most certainly be avoided. As it stands with these ‘prosecution of war crimes’, and as well illustrated at the link below, there’s simply too much gross hypocrisy, and it’s just a variant of what used to be termed ‘victor’s justice’.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II

  633. @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    The way they are laid out and bound indicates executions. But they are not in a pile or rounded up. Simply spread out making the cars have to slalom on the road. I guess they might have been dumped off the back of a truck as they were shot.

    But by who? Retreating Russians or advancing Ukrainians getting rid of collaborators? It’s well within their MO to dispose of locals sympathetic to Russia, or those deemed to have been too cooperative. The VDV might have been doing reprisals and hostages but do they have a record of this? What police units did the Russians bring? Might they have been executing resistance fighters?

    Replies: @LatW

    Might they have been executing resistance fighters?

    It’s the same old Russian MO, no surprises there at all (they did the same in the 1940s). It’s what they meant by “denazification” (or “depatriotization” rather). They were scouring the neighborhoods for any men (or whole families) that showed any sign that they would resist the occupation or rather any sign that they are pro-Ukrainian (as is normal in their own home). For instance, there was a case where they walked into somebody’s home and saw a Ukrainian flag displayed and started harassing that person, asking why they have so much simvolika (symbols, coat of arms, etc) on display (a normal thing for any freedom loving person to cherish their country’s flag). So it is clear that they are rounding up men, trying to prevent whoever would resist the occupation or even just primitive robbery and rape (which is a normal, healthy instinct). Imagine an armed stranger from a hostile foreign country walks into your home and starts interrogating you about why you have this or that item in your home… or just shooting random men, it looked like there were some victims near a construction site where some townhomes were being built.

    [MORE]

    There are also worse things, like reports of rape of underage girls in front of their mothers, which I’m really hoping is not true, but it’s within the realm of possibility. It’s not some revenge by undisciplined soldiers, this is systematic intimidation. The hope was to break the resistance but the resistance turned out overall much more serious than expected. That you don’t see these basic things is stunning, rather you’re just refusing to see them.

    Irpin’ before the invasion… very cozy place by EE standards, life was starting to get really good.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    I’d assume that most of the young Ukrainian men there were quite keen on fighting Russians. What of it? I did predict that the Russians would kill as many men of fighting age as they could get their hands on. The full Alesia or Warsaw 44. I’m by no means shocked. It looks like a war crime. But again what of it?

  634. Probably shouldn’t post it, but I also found this Freudian headline from Zerohedge to be quite humorous:

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    Poland ‘Open’ & Ready To Host US Nukes On NATO’s Eastern Flank

    It reminds me of a complementary scene from the Schwarzenegger blockbuster True Lies, where the terrorist straddles the bomb, as he gets into the helicopter. Maybe, also a line or two from a dirty joke made by the Indian character in the movie Predator.

    Poland is acting like a low-rent tart before the power that is GAE.

  635. @Mikel
    @Mikel

    Sorry, meant to say left-side brain effort. My morning caffeine dose is just beginning to take effect.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Some graders only dock you a point or two for a sign error.

    McGilgrist may don some protective coloration but he is dogmatic atheist materialist to his core.

    Aaron B needs to find some Animism for his unblown mind. Trees think. Mushrooms came from outer space. Do more acid. : )

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    McGilgrist may don some protective coloration but he is dogmatic atheist materialist to his core.
     
    Not anymore (if he ever was). Read the book :)

    He discusses animism, God, and materialism at length towards the end of the book in light of the earlier scientific discussion, and I don't think by any stretch he can be called materialist or even atheist - it's actually one of the most sophisticated and compelling discussions of God I'd read in a long while.

    It's true, though, that in his earlier book on the subject the Master and His Emissary, he did not seriously link his themes to God, religion, and spirituality or develop their connection extensively.

    But he has now :)

    He also has a fascinating discussion on the modern default prejudice that consciousness emerges from matter, and demonstrates that it is far more plausible that matter emerges from consciousness!

    Trees do think. So do rocks, and mountains have souls :)
  636. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Some graders only dock you a point or two for a sign error.

    McGilgrist may don some protective coloration but he is dogmatic atheist materialist to his core.

    Aaron B needs to find some Animism for his unblown mind. Trees think. Mushrooms came from outer space. Do more acid. : )

    Replies: @AaronB

    McGilgrist may don some protective coloration but he is dogmatic atheist materialist to his core.

    Not anymore (if he ever was). Read the book 🙂

    He discusses animism, God, and materialism at length towards the end of the book in light of the earlier scientific discussion, and I don’t think by any stretch he can be called materialist or even atheist – it’s actually one of the most sophisticated and compelling discussions of God I’d read in a long while.

    It’s true, though, that in his earlier book on the subject the Master and His Emissary, he did not seriously link his themes to God, religion, and spirituality or develop their connection extensively.

    But he has now 🙂

    He also has a fascinating discussion on the modern default prejudice that consciousness emerges from matter, and demonstrates that it is far more plausible that matter emerges from consciousness!

    Trees do think. So do rocks, and mountains have souls 🙂

  637. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    I don't have any a priori oppositon against nuclear energy. Certainly a lot of arguments made against them are foolish, such as the claims of insufficient safety.

    https://i.imgur.com/ATImZp7.png

    But its proponents must also be honest that costs overruns has been a persistent drag on the sector in recent times.

    This is true whether you look at trendslines:

    https://i.imgur.com/udv27Sa.png

    Or at absolute levels:

    https://i.imgur.com/K9fTDsK.png

    Renewables cannot replace nuclear as a baseload power, although battery storage is getting better - fast.

    Frankly speaking, gas was and remains the most logical bridge for Europe until we either get battery storage up to par or even nuclear fusion (the recent progress has been exceptional).

    Europe's problem is not energy: it's geopolitics. It allows its energy policies be dictated by Washington's strategic imperatives. But that's a political problem that can only be solved at the highest level, and it's unfair to blame energy policies for it, when they are just collateral damage.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Europe’s problem is not energy: it’s geopolitics. It allows its energy policies be dictated by Washington’s strategic imperatives.

    It’s pretty funny how you go on about “principles” that would have mandated an intervention in Syria because of chemical weapons use, but don’t see an issue at all with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (it’s always “Putin was backed into a corner by America, he had no choice, Ukraine should give up, if they don’t Russia should drop all restraint”), or that there might be a problem with energy dependence on a country whose leadership considers such a course of action legitimate and rational.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    It’s pretty funny...
     
    Many Swedes are that way due to their conflict avoidance. They will fuss over things in far off lands with great attention to detail ("Afghan girls", etc), but they will pretend to not notice things right in front of their nose. The Russian speakers call this "peculiarities of one's national character".
  638. @German_reader
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Germany's intervention in China may not have been something to be proud of, but I don't think they erected skull pyramids there or decimated the Chinese population to any appreciable degree, so I don't think it can be compared to the Mongol style of warfare (which I didn't mean to pin on East Asians in general, so you don't need to be offended...this is more of an issue of the relationship between nomads and settled populations than anything about East and West). I'd say the German relationship to China was ambiguous, certainly not free from racist condescension and disdain, but there were also some limited attempts at cooperation (Erich von Falkenhayn dreamed of heading a Chinese military academy and creating a modern military force for China, and later German military advisors did play a role during the republican era).
    And the outrage by other Western powers about Wilhelm's ill-advised speech was a bit hypocritical, given their own role in China and during the intervention.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Sino-German cooperation was very extensive; this is true till today with Germany’s economy being far more complementary with China’s than with Japan’s. The beginning was at Versailles, when Germany and China signed a separate treaty.

    The last notable Chinese Indologist, Ji Xianlin, was educated in Germany during the Nazi period, his memoir Zehn Jahre in Deutschland is interesting.

    These days Carl Schmitt is influential amongst PRC political theorists.

    • Thanks: German_reader
  639. @Thulean Friend
    @AaronB


    It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life.

    Uber and Airbnb are just the logical extension of existing paradigms – but it’s extremely notable that there is no “paradigm work” being done whatsoever. No “higher level” thinking being done at all.

    It’s all rather trivial extensions of existing technology and trends.
     
    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/contra-hoel-on-aristocratic-tutoring

    P.S. glad to have you back.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Thanks for the article, much food for thought.

    I agree with the author when he says genius has declined because of “tall poppy syndrome” – I would say our society has developed a hostility even to the unconventional, how much more so to the exceptional.

    I find his contention that there is less to discover and it’s harder to come by with the advance of time because the major things have already been done more problematic – this can easily be an illusion of perspective.

    Histories of science I read when younger would love to highlight the fact that in the late 19th century, there was apparently a growing consensus that nearly everything worthwhile had been discovered and journalists were reporting this 🙂

    It’s worth mentioning that this idea that as you advance knowledge in a field new discoveries get harder is a new idea that is exactly opposite to how this used to be regarded – in fact, it used to be thought that the more advanced in a particular field, the easier it gets! “On the shoulders of Giants” and all that.

    It’s also worth mentioning that David Graeber in his book on bureaucracy, says that major discoveries have ground to a half, and the “space age” technology he was promised as a child never materialized, because bureaucratic systems replaced the bold, daring, and adventurous science of old.

    In other words, society changed it’s preference to the reliable and safe over the bold sand daring.

    This preference for safety seems connected to tall poppy syndrome.

    Finally, I think aristocratic tutoring is certainly superior to factory-style bureaucratic schooling in producing original minds – but like the other factors mentioned, these are all examples of left hemisphere capture and the move to a hyper rational, controlled, bureaucratic, and safe society, over an imaginative, intuitive, more anarchic and loving of adventure and discovery society.

    It’s interesting the author says in some fields there are indeed paradigm shifting thinkers at work – I can’t judge if that’s really true, and am included to doubt that AI aligning can produce paradigm shifting work rather than reinforce existing paradigms, but history will tell.

    If he’s right, then that’s great news and shows that there always counter-trends within the dominant trends in any society – and it’s good to be reminded things are never so simple and one-dimensional!

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @AaronB

    https://twitter.com/Parikramah/status/1319122899966578689

  640. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Probably just rumor rather than real emigration? But maybe she would also be able to attain a working visa in Israel, as she has worked with the government in Israel already (she produced advertising for the Ministry of Tourism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQHLSFqtduk.).

    Her father had probably elite friends in Israel. Putin says he himself has fallen in love with Israel as result of leading delegations of Saint-Petersburg Mayor's office to Israel in the 1990s when he working for Sobchak.

    Also a lot of non-Jewish roots celebrities in Russia have vacation houses in Israel just as another place to throw their money. Pugacheva was such an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_lHBfd65lk. But I believe they would still only receive 3 month tourist visas.

    Chulpan Khamatova (an awarded local actress in Moscow) was able to attain a residency visa in Latvia and emigrated there permanently now. But it seems like she has prepared for a decade, buying utopian property in the Latvian countryside. Maybe your neighbor? https://meduza.io/feature/2018/10/26/beslan-nord-ost-i-tochka-nevozvrata

    Replies: @LatW

    Probably just rumor rather than real emigration?

    I’m just going by what the Russian press is writing. She bailed. Whether it’s “real emigration”, you know, it’s a kind of a flexible term these days. Our friend Morgie also left for a vacation in Dubai and it seems he’s still there months later. If one lives overseas for a month or so, not sure if that can be deemed “emigration”, “Philosopher’s ship”, some kind of parallel life? It’s not the worst. My feel is that she is trying to reorganize her work life, but she couldn’t monetize her YouTube channel. I know that many Russian journalists who had to bail Russia created an alternative media infrastructure. Yes, Israel sounds interesting, I’m very curious about Israel now.

    So Nevzorov was there, too, recently and performed for some kind of a Russophone audience. But he mentioned that he was “around camels” when he went on Gordon, so I assume he was in Dubai. Tbh, I don’t necessarily share his political views, he is pretty far out in his libertarianism, I mostly like his rants for linguistic reasons, he has very colorful speech, I’d say his genre is “political satire”?

    Speaking of Sobchak’s dad… a video resurfaced of him speaking about Ukraine in 1991. It is evident from his words that Russia never really accepted 1991 was final, major major objections to Ukraine even having a serious army at all.. and this shows that way more attention should’ve been paid to this to mitigate things… if that could’ve been possible at all, maybe not.

    [MORE]

    Chulpan Khamatova (an awarded local actress in Moscow) was able to attain a residency visa in Latvia and emigrated there permanently now. But it seems like she has prepared for a decade, buying utopian property in the Latvian countryside. Maybe your neighbor?

    Maybe future neighbor, hahaha, as recently I’ve been thinking more and more about country side properties — traditional ones plus a newly built bunker. Oh, this actress lives deep in the woods, with deer roaming around, very romantic. Some of my friends have such properties, are remodeling them, my ex has a large traditional type estate, with an ancestral oak and tons of space.

    I was planning to return to my home town, to my family beach property, we have many famous (and non0-famous) Russian neighbors there. Athletes, entertainment people, theater directors, middle and upper middle class. And of course many guests during the summer. I really used to enjoy in the summers that the SKA junior hockey team visited, hung out at the spa (please don’t get any wrong ideas, it’s purely platonic). It was nice to see their youthful energy and it was flattering that they would visit, since they have many options where to spend vacations.

    But now it is all over…

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    it’s “real emigration”, you know, it’s a kind of a flexible term
     
    Celebrities in Russia will emigrate less than you expect. There will not be emigration of such a cozy clique, only of some of the non systemic celebrities.

    The main celebrities are a group of jesters in a "royal court". They can say some things but they are part of a royal entourage. It's the courts' clowns, and clowns follow the court.

    This is also one of the reasons there are less celebrities than there should be. It's like Russia has the same number of celebrities, as countries with ten times less population. Because it is a cozy small court and there is only so few positions for them. It's as 18th century Versailles doesn't have many people, and the position of jesters in Versailles was limited.

    Of course, I do not wish to compare, as 18th century France (with its salons) was incredibly culturally fertile and creative society, while the cultural production in postsoviet Russia on the other hand..


    If one lives overseas for a month or so, not sure if that can be deemed “emigration”, “Philosopher’s ship”, some kind of parallel life?
     
    Yes, but most people from foothills upwards of elite in postsoviet space, usually has a parallel life in Europe, although those kind of Monaco social events (Bozhena blogged about in distant history) involving Russian defense industry's sponsorship (tank manufacturer's sponsorship) will be surely more restricted under European sanctions https://www.gazeta.ru/lifestyle/bozhena/4732945.shtml Probably they can host similar social events in only Caribbean or such tropical places nowadays.

    media infrastructure. Yes, Israel sounds interesting, I’m very curious about Israel now.

     

    Celebrities like Pugacheva with mansions in Israel, probably have the three-month tourist visa only. That's all she needs. If you just only need Israel for vacation, who needs more than tourist visa. Although non-residents have a very high sales tax to stop them apartment-flipping too much (wealthy American Jews avoid this sales tax by sending their children to sit in the apartments for a few months before they flip them in Israel).

    Israel though is not very useful from perspective of people who want not even citizenship, but an external passport. If you can prove Jewish roots, you can receive Israeli citizenship with internal passport. But to receive an external passport from Israel requires you to live there a year, which is not easy for people who don't actually want to live in Israel for a year.


    -

    For little anyone interested in Yandex, it wants to move 800 of its workers (this is quite large amount in the industry, as there are quite small skilled workforces) to Israel as a sanctions avoidance strategy. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/fearing-sanctions-russia-s-yandex-wants-to-relocate-workers-to-israel-1.10663566 I would expect Israel should reject this as it's exploiting the concept of a hi-tech visa program, for purposes it was not intended.


    mitigate things… if that could’ve been possible at all, maybe not.
     
    Of course, everything could and must have been peacefully resolved with Ukraine, even if Crimea should have been transferred (or purchased). It's like justifiable problems with Alsace-Lorraine ownership, does not remove personal responsibility from the decisions of people who started the Second World War.

    plus a newly built bunker.
    lives deep in the woods, with deer roaming around, very romantic.
     
    Arvo Pärt Centre has this aesthetics of trying to integrate with the forest. Or "hide" in the forest. Maybe someone can correct me, but it seems like very Scandinavian style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzS1YohywQ. I want to visit there just for a vacation, apparently Arvo Pärt is often working in that building.

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard

  641. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Europe’s problem is not energy: it’s geopolitics. It allows its energy policies be dictated by Washington’s strategic imperatives.
     
    It's pretty funny how you go on about "principles" that would have mandated an intervention in Syria because of chemical weapons use, but don't see an issue at all with Russia's invasion of Ukraine (it's always "Putin was backed into a corner by America, he had no choice, Ukraine should give up, if they don't Russia should drop all restraint"), or that there might be a problem with energy dependence on a country whose leadership considers such a course of action legitimate and rational.

    Replies: @LatW

    It’s pretty funny…

    Many Swedes are that way due to their conflict avoidance. They will fuss over things in far off lands with great attention to detail (“Afghan girls”, etc), but they will pretend to not notice things right in front of their nose. The Russian speakers call this “peculiarities of one’s national character”.

  642. @songbird
    @Ron Unz

    I only recall one piece of the puzzle: U.S. Army Lt William Calley (who was charged in the massacre) does not appear to have what would be considered "good physiognomy." His ears stick out. His chin is kind of weak. He seems short.

    In contrast Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson Jr. (who brought his chopper down in front of Vietnamese civilians in order to prevent them from being killed) has a strong jaw and more masculine face.

    Replies: @songbird, @utu, @Wokechoke

    Your comment reassures me that I was correct when some time ago I have classified you in to the subhuman trash category which apparently constitutes the backbone of Sailer and Unz commentariat.

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Replies: @songbird
    @utu

    LOL. Lt. Calley looks like you, huh?

    Utu, you are so funny, when you are not trying to cause WW3, or forever lockdown anyone under the Boomer cohorts, so that people stop reproducing.

    Perhaps, as someone who believes in HBD on UNZ, you would like me to write out a formal card for you to present to ugly women and trannies, so that you may establish your credentials as a true blank-slatist, without needing to make the full commitments of one? Just screenshot this:

    I, songbird, attest that the presenter, utu, a blankslatist of long history, has classified me, a moderate believer in HBD, as "subhuman trash." Therefore, it is not necessary for him to prove his bona fides, with you, in the way that you have proposed.
     

    Replies: @German_reader

  643. @Wizard of Oz
    @Ron Unz

    In your tentative probabilistic assess.ent (as such a good example to UR threadsters) do you think you've given enough weight to what is increasingly emerging about Putin's peculiarities. I include the evidence of his illness ad the real possibility that its treatment is affecting his mind and overt behaviour. Also his repeated mischarecterisation of Russian and Ukrainian history, his refusal to acknowledge that the vast majority of Ukrainians, including the Russian speaking majority identify as Ukrainian and - if only because they haven't been inundated with Russian propaganda from a censored media - have very different attitudes to free enterprise and state ownership, for example.
    He doesn't resiled at all from denying Ukraine is a real country (yet Russia is!!?).

    Replies: @iffen

    Also his repeated mischarecterisation of Russian and Ukrainian history

    Apparently, you do not understand history and its uses.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @iffen

    Please explain what profundity YOU think you are hinting at Oh oracular one. History doesn't have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.

    Replies: @iffen

  644. I thought the Hungarian election was supposed to be close. It was the Ukraine wot won it.

  645. @Pro Bono
    @German_reader


    Of course he knows that he can be as insolent as he wants, there’s no way he’ll face any consequences as long as this war goes on,
     
    Worst of all this is that many if not most of those 153 kids and the rest of civilians are dead because of this Ukie Army scumbag policy of taking cover in the cities and firing from residential buildings, policy designed to maximize civilian losses to prompt a Serbia like international intervention, nuclear escalation be damned. And this propagandist knows about all of this very well.

    In spite of all that here you are, moronically advocating for EU countries to keep sending weapons to the scumbag leadership in Ukraine, policy that is gonna keep this very avoidable conflict (and inflation, energy crisis, instability, stream of fake and real refugees and most importantly, risk of a nuclear incident and escalation) going for longer than it should.

    How retarded is that? You often criticize your fellow contrymen as a bunch of retards shooting themselves in the foot, but judging by your policy suggestions in relation to the ongoing conflict, I cannot say you are much different from them. You clearly do not understand what is best for Germany and her population.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Philip Owen

    Sheltering among civilians is entirely the policy of Malofeev’s Russian insurgent army in the Donbas. Always has been. Why such moral outrage when its your own side’s core policy?

  646. @AaronB
    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways - The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It's a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it - I am skipping around a lot - but so far it's a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It's impossible to overstate the importance of this book - it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It's basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks - the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere"sends" the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole - Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship - and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem - because if you're like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph :) You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked :)

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told - relentlessly! - that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture - the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and "go it alone" and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history - ancient Greece, ancient Rome - and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I'm gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here - this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be "the" book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere - say, anyone working primarily in STEM - literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either - as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm - but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website..... :)

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture - insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous - what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn't describe our culture I don't know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism - but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to "deconstruct" art and search for ominous and malevolent "oppressive meanings" in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Mikel, @S, @iffen, @Pro Bono

    that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways

    Not again!

    Say it ain’t so, Joe.

    • Replies: @utu
    @iffen

    He hasn't had the aha moment about his aha moments. Some people never do. Jane Fonda? A victim of the last book he read. Except that Jane Fonda made money on each of her new life changing belief.

  647. @AaronB
    I am reading now a book that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways - The Matter with Things, by psychiatrist Iain Mcgilchrist.

    It's a massive tome and I am nowhere near through it - I am skipping around a lot - but so far it's a work of pure genius that has done that rare and invaluable thing, given me an entirely new conceptual language in which to think about important questions of culture and value, shed light on all of human history, and has an extremely important message for our times.

    The first half is heavy on science, while the second half ties it together with the vast sweep of cultural history, and is full of fascinating quotes from the major cultural figures of Western history.

    It's impossible to overstate the importance of this book - it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    It's basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks - the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    The proper relationship between the two is that the right hemisphere"sends" the left out to collect data by deconstructing things, which the right hemisphere then integrates into a larger whole - Mcgilchrist characterizes this relationship in his earlier book The Master and His Emissary.

    The right hemisphere is the superior in the relationship - and apparently, neuroscience is now pouring out studies that show that on every level, the right hemisphere, responsible for judgement, assessment, imagination, intuition, emotion, is less prone to delusion and better able to produce an accurate picture of reality than the left.

    Aaaaaaand therein lies our problem - because if you're like me, you were probably shocked by that last paragraph :) You probably scoffed and spilt your coffee, or nearly chocked :)

    Because in our culture, we are obviously told - relentlessly! - that left hemisphere type thinking, hyper rational, logical, algorithmic, is much, much better at giving us a picture of reality, and much less prone to delusion, than the right hemisphere!

    But apparently, advanced neuroscience is painting the opposite picture - the left hemisphere is incapable of self correction (needs the right for that), extremely prone to delusion when not in contact with the right, can only see parts and not wholes (can never see the larger picture), can only take apart but not put together, cannot judge and assess value, and cannot create anything new (the right imagines and creates).

    However, there is the tendency that the left hemisphere will try and "go it alone" and sperate from the right, with disastrous consequences for the culture and society that tries to adopt a cognitive style dominated by the left hemisphere.

    According to Mcgilchrist, this happened twice before in human history - ancient Greece, ancient Rome - and is now happening for the third time in the modern West. Each time before it shortly preceded the death of that civilization.

    I'm gonna make a few scattered comments, but the book is to rich to go over fully here - this is a book I strongly urge everyone to read. It may be "the" book of our times, our sad and troubled times.

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    Creating something new requires imagination, and that is handled by the right hemisphere. Someone whose cognitive style is dominated by the left hemisphere - say, anyone working primarily in STEM - literally cannot imagine anything new.

    And since our entire culture is a left hemisphere culture dominated by STEM, we increasingly cannot produce any new ideas either - as is clearly seen in our political stagnation which is just the recycling of old ideas.

    Fascinatingly, schizophrenia is a disease where the left hemisphere increasingly dominates, a disease of hyper-rationality, and it turns out that the world as seen from a purely left hemisphere perspective is extremely ominous and scary.

    Patients who experience right hemisphere damage immediately develop paranoid fantasies while ignoring genuine, real dangers. One woman whose left arm was paralyzed after a stroke to her right hemisphere, was completely unconcerned about her arm - but immediately developed an extreme worry that the woman in the next bed was poisoning her food and stealing her newspapers.

    I do not need to draw the obvious parallel to a certain owner of a certain website..... :)

    But this attitude clearly characterizes our entire culture - insane obsessions over pointless Woke stuff while our larger problems are completely ignored.

    There is a fascinating book describing how the phenomena known as modernism and post-modernism, are shockingly similar to how schizophrenics see the world.

    Everyone here I am sure heard of the Dunning Kruger results that are now so famous - what is usually omitted and not widely reported, however, is that people who have a hyper-rational cognitive style, are particularly prone to the effects.

    People who approached problem solving in a hyper rational way, relying primarily on logic and algorithmic thinking, were particularly prone to not being able to notice or correct their mistakes, and when mistakes were pointed out to them, responded by trying to do more of the same thing.

    If this doesn't describe our culture I don't know what does!

    As a culture, we have probably reached the apogee of left hemisphere thinking. Our society is entirely dominated by STEM in terms of the economy, but also in terms of values. When I was in school in the 90s, the humanities, literature, philosophy, art, poetry, were still respected fields of study.

    But I noticed sometime around 2010, everyone started going on about how only STEM is worth studying anymore, and all artistic subjects were massively downgraded.

    Around 2010 we took a massive leap further along into a culture dominated by left hemisphere thinking.

    To be fair, the humanities did indeed become captured by post-modernism - but post-modernism itself, which is an attempt to "deconstruct" art and search for ominous and malevolent "oppressive meanings" in it (typical of the schizophrenic mind), is a left hemisphere phenomenon!

    Since the left hemisphere can never see wholes, but only parts, and proceeds by taking things apart and making them lifeless, by definition a left hemisphere culture will be incapable of understanding God.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Mikel, @S, @iffen, @Pro Bono

    It’s impossible to overstate the importance of this book – it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.

    Cuvilionsl? was that a mini-stroke mid-sentence? you should calm down a bit.

    It’s basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks – the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.

    Mostly claptrap:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150929061434/https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2009/12/the-left-brain-plot-for-world-domination.html

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.

    So true, only a typically left hemisphere Virgo like Ron would put up with your unbearable idiocy and quasi-infinite gullibility right. But be very careful though:

    Virgo takes the cake — nay, the corpse — for most dangerous sign of the zodiac. In my estimation they are least likely to get caught in the act or in the aftermath of a crime.

    https://nypost.com/2021/12/23/most-dangerous-zodiac-signs/

    Cheap shots aside, Ron created this excellent site with its state of the art commenting system, possibly the best there is in the whole Internet, and before that he created very useful software which he sold for big bucks. What have you produced apart from your overlong, nonsensical, repetitive, headache-inducing brain farts?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Pro Bono

    Yes, Ron Unz is a perfect example of how God works through evil to produce the Good :)

    Are you familiar with the preface to Goethe's play Faust? He has this great line there about Satan, that he is the force that ever wills destruction but cannot help but produce the Good :)

    Ron Unz created this site to promote racial hatred and general social division (during a time that badly needs a unifying vision that could unite society), and to promote Chinese and Russian authoritarianism as ideals that Americans should adopt, out of resentment that American elites have not given him the power and influence he deserves.

    But through his excellent commenting system, a small group of eclectic and interesting commenters have gathered here and a few other places on this site, and have managed to reach out across diverse ethnic and cultural divides to unite in friendly and fascinating discussions that make real advances on important intellectual topics.

    It's a remarkable thing :)

    This is an example of the paradoxical structure of reality and the "coincidence of opposites", which Western philosophers used to understand.

    As for Ron Unz, I may appear to be hard on him but especially after reading this book, I have tremendous compassion for him and harbor no ill will towards him whatsoever.

    I don't believe in "bad" people - everyone is doing the best he can according to their understanding of what is good.

    Ron Unz is merely trapped in left hemisphere thinking, which apparently leads inescapably to paranoid, anxious, and aggressive thinking. The "picture of reality" that someone trapped in left hemisphere thinking carries with him is one of division, menace, breakdown of larger unities, enemies everywhere, lack of any unifying principle.

    To a significant extent, Ron is emblematic of the sickness of our modern culture, and it is good that he is publicly active.

    Ron will be redeemed when the culture is :)

  648. @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    I think you can dismiss them, that you don't reflects your prejudices. Professional armies, regardless of where and when, do not massacre civilians hence why on the rare occasion they do it is an outrage. Everything I have seen so far is the Russian Army has operated well within the laws of war, at a cost of increased losses.

    The ones I have seen, and I tried to avoid such things, look fake because they are fake. Gonzalo Lira got banned from twitter for pointing out a couple of fakes were all filmed with the same background but from different angles, you can see it on his telegram account.

    I don't doubt unpleasant things will happen but they will be directed at the paramilitary forces. As for the Ukrainians I have seen ample evidence of atrocities directed at civilians, as is almost always the case when paramilitary, rather than professional, forces are utilised. In that Wapo article I link to it says 550 suspected collaborators have been arrested in the Donbass for supposed treason, what happened after they were arrested, it does not say?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Philip Owen

    The Russian army is not a professional army in the modern sense. It is built on a foundation of bullying and corruption. NCOs barely exist. Badly led, demoralized, beaten, hungry troops on the retreat might well do this to civilians (My Lai anyone?). They might have resented them for not welcoming them, they might have resented them for perhaps concealing food …

    • Agree: 216
  649. NATO continues to prepare for its Russian assault.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/natos-poland-says-its-willing-hosting-us-nukes-russia-deterrent

    The only way to avert full on nuclear war at this point is:

    1) False flag on Russian territory or Ukraine- small yield nuclear bomb-blame USA.

    2) Nuke DC and New York.

    Once the US feels a direct punch in the face, they will back pedal and collapse just like all cowards throughout history. They do not have the moral force to respond.

    Anything less than this and the US is going to keep ramping up and all of Europe will eventually be nuked.

  650. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    And de facto is all that matters anyway.
     
    I disagree. A strong normative rejection of biological and chemical weapons use in regular warfare is necessary to dissuade weaker powers from using them wantonly. If there was a relatively high certainty among dictators that they could get away using chemical weapons (e.g. like Saddam got away far too easily during the late 1980s when he gassed the kurds), then we would see many more such instances. There was also a lot of self-introspection and criticism in America after he did his crimes, precisely because he was aligned with D.C. during those years.

    Principles matter. Without them, any de facto decision about intervention becomes moot since they are the anchor around which any decision must be made. That the world is awash with cynical false flag attacks is another problem altogether.

    Replies: @sher singh

    https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical-weapons-anymore/

    Wrong chemical agents aren’t used by modern systems due to the low cost of prevention.
    High cost of storage & deployment vs High-Explosive Munitions.

    Static system armies use them though||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sher singh

    Thought it was pretty clear chemical weapons weren't very effective during WWI.

    During WW2, none of the Euro powers used them, even though the US nuked and firebombed cities, so that 100,000 civilians were killed in Tokyo in one night.

    The US still uses depleted uranium munitions and landmines because they work.

    Maybe, chemical weapons would be more effective with drones? Or used as a terror weapon? I don't know.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Ron Unz

  651. @AaronB
    @Thulean Friend

    Thanks for the article, much food for thought.

    I agree with the author when he says genius has declined because of "tall poppy syndrome" - I would say our society has developed a hostility even to the unconventional, how much more so to the exceptional.

    I find his contention that there is less to discover and it's harder to come by with the advance of time because the major things have already been done more problematic - this can easily be an illusion of perspective.

    Histories of science I read when younger would love to highlight the fact that in the late 19th century, there was apparently a growing consensus that nearly everything worthwhile had been discovered and journalists were reporting this :)

    It's worth mentioning that this idea that as you advance knowledge in a field new discoveries get harder is a new idea that is exactly opposite to how this used to be regarded - in fact, it used to be thought that the more advanced in a particular field, the easier it gets! "On the shoulders of Giants" and all that.

    It's also worth mentioning that David Graeber in his book on bureaucracy, says that major discoveries have ground to a half, and the "space age" technology he was promised as a child never materialized, because bureaucratic systems replaced the bold, daring, and adventurous science of old.

    In other words, society changed it's preference to the reliable and safe over the bold sand daring.

    This preference for safety seems connected to tall poppy syndrome.

    Finally, I think aristocratic tutoring is certainly superior to factory-style bureaucratic schooling in producing original minds - but like the other factors mentioned, these are all examples of left hemisphere capture and the move to a hyper rational, controlled, bureaucratic, and safe society, over an imaginative, intuitive, more anarchic and loving of adventure and discovery society.

    It's interesting the author says in some fields there are indeed paradigm shifting thinkers at work - I can't judge if that's really true, and am included to doubt that AI aligning can produce paradigm shifting work rather than reinforce existing paradigms, but history will tell.

    If he's right, then that's great news and shows that there always counter-trends within the dominant trends in any society - and it's good to be reminded things are never so simple and one-dimensional!

    Replies: @sher singh

  652. @iffen
    @AaronB

    that is transforming my understanding of culture and humanity in absolutely seminal ways

    Not again!

    Say it ain't so, Joe.

    Replies: @utu

    He hasn’t had the aha moment about his aha moments. Some people never do. Jane Fonda? A victim of the last book he read. Except that Jane Fonda made money on each of her new life changing belief.

  653. @utu
    @songbird

    Your comment reassures me that I was correct when some time ago I have classified you in to the subhuman trash category which apparently constitutes the backbone of Sailer and Unz commentariat.

    Replies: @songbird

    LOL. Lt. Calley looks like you, huh?

    Utu, you are so funny, when you are not trying to cause WW3, or forever lockdown anyone under the Boomer cohorts, so that people stop reproducing.

    Perhaps, as someone who believes in HBD on UNZ, you would like me to write out a formal card for you to present to ugly women and trannies, so that you may establish your credentials as a true blank-slatist, without needing to make the full commitments of one? Just screenshot this:

    I, songbird, attest that the presenter, utu, a blankslatist of long history, has classified me, a moderate believer in HBD, as “subhuman trash.” Therefore, it is not necessary for him to prove his bona fides, with you, in the way that you have proposed.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    I wonder why utu even keeps commenting here. It sort of made sense a few years ago when he was mostly obsessed with Jews (he wasn't that anti-Russia back then iirc, he once made that notorious comment where he expressed hope that Russia would nuke Israel), but today it's difficult to discern the reasons, since he seems to despise most regular commenters. Maybe he just likes insulting us.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  654. @Pro Bono
    @AaronB


    It’s impossible to overstate the importance of this book – it literally holds the key to our current cuvilionsl predicament.
     
    Cuvilionsl? was that a mini-stroke mid-sentence? you should calm down a bit.

    It’s basic thesis is that the two hemispheres of the human brain, the left and the right, have different cognitive styles and tasks – the left is rational, logical, and deconstructive, while the right is intuitive, emotional, imaginative, creative, responsible for judging and assessing value, and synthesizes data into larger wholes.
     
    Mostly claptrap:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150929061434/https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2009/12/the-left-brain-plot-for-world-domination.html

    I often chide Ron Unz and the people on this site for limiting our options to China/Russia and the West, but if this site is a typical left hemisphere project, and Ron a typically left hemisphere thinker, then they literally cannot produce anything new.
     

    So true, only a typically left hemisphere Virgo like Ron would put up with your unbearable idiocy and quasi-infinite gullibility right. But be very careful though:

    Virgo takes the cake — nay, the corpse — for most dangerous sign of the zodiac. In my estimation they are least likely to get caught in the act or in the aftermath of a crime.
     
    https://nypost.com/2021/12/23/most-dangerous-zodiac-signs/

    Cheap shots aside, Ron created this excellent site with its state of the art commenting system, possibly the best there is in the whole Internet, and before that he created very useful software which he sold for big bucks. What have you produced apart from your overlong, nonsensical, repetitive, headache-inducing brain farts?

    Replies: @AaronB

    Yes, Ron Unz is a perfect example of how God works through evil to produce the Good 🙂

    Are you familiar with the preface to Goethe’s play Faust? He has this great line there about Satan, that he is the force that ever wills destruction but cannot help but produce the Good 🙂

    Ron Unz created this site to promote racial hatred and general social division (during a time that badly needs a unifying vision that could unite society), and to promote Chinese and Russian authoritarianism as ideals that Americans should adopt, out of resentment that American elites have not given him the power and influence he deserves.

    But through his excellent commenting system, a small group of eclectic and interesting commenters have gathered here and a few other places on this site, and have managed to reach out across diverse ethnic and cultural divides to unite in friendly and fascinating discussions that make real advances on important intellectual topics.

    It’s a remarkable thing 🙂

    This is an example of the paradoxical structure of reality and the “coincidence of opposites”, which Western philosophers used to understand.

    As for Ron Unz, I may appear to be hard on him but especially after reading this book, I have tremendous compassion for him and harbor no ill will towards him whatsoever.

    I don’t believe in “bad” people – everyone is doing the best he can according to their understanding of what is good.

    Ron Unz is merely trapped in left hemisphere thinking, which apparently leads inescapably to paranoid, anxious, and aggressive thinking. The “picture of reality” that someone trapped in left hemisphere thinking carries with him is one of division, menace, breakdown of larger unities, enemies everywhere, lack of any unifying principle.

    To a significant extent, Ron is emblematic of the sickness of our modern culture, and it is good that he is publicly active.

    Ron will be redeemed when the culture is 🙂

  655. @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    Might they have been executing resistance fighters?
     
    It's the same old Russian MO, no surprises there at all (they did the same in the 1940s). It's what they meant by "denazification" (or "depatriotization" rather). They were scouring the neighborhoods for any men (or whole families) that showed any sign that they would resist the occupation or rather any sign that they are pro-Ukrainian (as is normal in their own home). For instance, there was a case where they walked into somebody's home and saw a Ukrainian flag displayed and started harassing that person, asking why they have so much simvolika (symbols, coat of arms, etc) on display (a normal thing for any freedom loving person to cherish their country's flag). So it is clear that they are rounding up men, trying to prevent whoever would resist the occupation or even just primitive robbery and rape (which is a normal, healthy instinct). Imagine an armed stranger from a hostile foreign country walks into your home and starts interrogating you about why you have this or that item in your home... or just shooting random men, it looked like there were some victims near a construction site where some townhomes were being built.



    There are also worse things, like reports of rape of underage girls in front of their mothers, which I'm really hoping is not true, but it's within the realm of possibility. It's not some revenge by undisciplined soldiers, this is systematic intimidation. The hope was to break the resistance but the resistance turned out overall much more serious than expected. That you don't see these basic things is stunning, rather you're just refusing to see them.

    Irpin' before the invasion... very cozy place by EE standards, life was starting to get really good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW45S0M3Bqo&t=595s

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    I’d assume that most of the young Ukrainian men there were quite keen on fighting Russians. What of it? I did predict that the Russians would kill as many men of fighting age as they could get their hands on. The full Alesia or Warsaw 44. I’m by no means shocked. It looks like a war crime. But again what of it?

  656. @songbird
    @songbird

    And, in case anyone was wondering, the commanding officer, Captain Medina was pretty indio-looking.

    And, shockingly, Lt. Calley was the only one convicted.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Yes I got his rank wrong. The Captain was a savage looking Aztec.

    • Agree: songbird
  657. @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    My Lai was a Mexican major a weak kneed white LT and a set of wild black and brown NCOs. As soon as a white officer with charisma showed up he stopped the rape and murder.
     
    I've never heard that many or most of the American soldiers involved in the My Lai massacre were black or Hispanic. I've never investigated the matter, but it seems to me if there any truth to it, the story would have been widely publicized over the decades on numerous racialist websites.

    Do you have any solid source for your remarkable claims?

    Replies: @216, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

    Yes. Go to the My Lai museum webpage. The Vietnamese clearly show the black perps in the diorama. The grizzly Captain over Calley (weak subaltern) was a Mexican looking Mexican and many of the NCOs were black or Hispanic. When a white officer showed up it was all stopped and the officer wrote to the general staff to have it all investigated. The investigator was sent and it was a certain Colin Powell.

    You can go through the service records of the platoon and cross reference names and photos and you won’t like what you see there. Calley was a zoo keeper nothing more.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    Yes. Go to the My Lai museum webpage. The Vietnamese clearly show the black perps in the diorama. The grizzly Captain over Calley (weak subaltern) was a Mexican looking Mexican and many of the NCOs were black or Hispanic...You can go through the service records of the platoon and cross reference names and photos and you won’t like what you see there. Calley was a zoo keeper nothing more.
     
    I'm afraid you've have to provide some links or solid evidence before I'll believe you. My impression was that a large majority of the platoon was white, and if it instead had mostly been non-white I can't see why racialist websites wouldn't have made a big deal about the history in the last couple of decades.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

  658. @sher singh
    @Thulean Friend

    https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical-weapons-anymore/

    Wrong chemical agents aren't used by modern systems due to the low cost of prevention.
    High cost of storage & deployment vs High-Explosive Munitions.

    Static system armies use them though||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @songbird

    Thought it was pretty clear chemical weapons weren’t very effective during WWI.

    During WW2, none of the Euro powers used them, even though the US nuked and firebombed cities, so that 100,000 civilians were killed in Tokyo in one night.

    The US still uses depleted uranium munitions and landmines because they work.

    Maybe, chemical weapons would be more effective with drones? Or used as a terror weapon? I don’t know.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @songbird

    During WW2, none of the Euro powers used them [chemical weapons]

    Not sure whether "Euro powers" includes the US, but the US did use mustard gas in WWII, albeit somewhat inadvertently:


    On December 2, 1943 about fifty ships lay waiting at Bari, Italy for their cargoes to be unloaded. The harbor was so crowded that moored ships almost touched each other. Suddenly, the German Luftwaffe thundered down out of a clear evening sky and laid waste to the busy port. In the span of twenty minutes, the raid became the worst bombing of Allied shipping since Pearl Harbor two years earlier. In fact, this attack became known as Little Pearl Harbor. Seventeen Allied ship were destroyed. But the attack and destruction were only preludes of the horror to come. A U.S. Liberty ship laden with a topsecret cargo of mustard gas bombs received a direct hit and exploded, killing the entired crew and spreading its deadly toxic cargo across the water and through the air of Bari. The loss of life was appalling. More than one thousand Allied servicemen and more than one thousand civilians were killed. Yet, to this day, few know of the disaster at Bari. This book describes what happened, how it happened and examines the Allied coverup afterward and the fact that World War II mustard gas is seeping up through the world's oceans today.

    https://www.amazon.com/Nightmare-Bari-Liberty-Disaster-Coverup/dp/1889901210
     
    , @Ron Unz
    @songbird


    Thought it was pretty clear chemical weapons weren’t very effective during WWI.

    During WW2, none of the Euro powers used them, even though the US nuked and firebombed cities, so that 100,000 civilians were killed in Tokyo in one night.
     
    Actually, I thought that in one of his lectures David Irving made a petty strong case that if Germany had decided to use its extremely advanced chemical weapons, it probably would have won the war. In particular, the Normandy invasion force would have been annihilated, and I'd assume the very difficult sieges of both Leningrad and Stalingrad would also have turned out differently. One point he made was that the German weapons were very far superior to their Allied counterparts, and had no effective defenses.
  659. @iffen
    @Wizard of Oz

    Also his repeated mischarecterisation of Russian and Ukrainian history

    Apparently, you do not understand history and its uses.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz

    Please explain what profundity YOU think you are hinting at Oh oracular one. History doesn’t have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Wizard of Oz

    You think history is some sort of objective phenomenon with its own rules and existence. It is us, and we make it what we want it to be when we are making "us". Things happen. The writing about "what" happened is not what occurred. History is what a particular person or people want it to be. It's not "real," except to those who believe it to be.

    Replies: @utu, @Wizard of Oz

  660. @songbird
    @sher singh

    Thought it was pretty clear chemical weapons weren't very effective during WWI.

    During WW2, none of the Euro powers used them, even though the US nuked and firebombed cities, so that 100,000 civilians were killed in Tokyo in one night.

    The US still uses depleted uranium munitions and landmines because they work.

    Maybe, chemical weapons would be more effective with drones? Or used as a terror weapon? I don't know.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Ron Unz

    During WW2, none of the Euro powers used them [chemical weapons]

    Not sure whether “Euro powers” includes the US, but the US did use mustard gas in WWII, albeit somewhat inadvertently:

    On December 2, 1943 about fifty ships lay waiting at Bari, Italy for their cargoes to be unloaded. The harbor was so crowded that moored ships almost touched each other. Suddenly, the German Luftwaffe thundered down out of a clear evening sky and laid waste to the busy port. In the span of twenty minutes, the raid became the worst bombing of Allied shipping since Pearl Harbor two years earlier. In fact, this attack became known as Little Pearl Harbor. Seventeen Allied ship were destroyed. But the attack and destruction were only preludes of the horror to come. A U.S. Liberty ship laden with a topsecret cargo of mustard gas bombs received a direct hit and exploded, killing the entired crew and spreading its deadly toxic cargo across the water and through the air of Bari. The loss of life was appalling. More than one thousand Allied servicemen and more than one thousand civilians were killed. Yet, to this day, few know of the disaster at Bari. This book describes what happened, how it happened and examines the Allied coverup afterward and the fact that World War II mustard gas is seeping up through the world’s oceans today.

    • Thanks: songbird
  661. @songbird
    @Ron Unz

    I only recall one piece of the puzzle: U.S. Army Lt William Calley (who was charged in the massacre) does not appear to have what would be considered "good physiognomy." His ears stick out. His chin is kind of weak. He seems short.

    In contrast Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson Jr. (who brought his chopper down in front of Vietnamese civilians in order to prevent them from being killed) has a strong jaw and more masculine face.

    Replies: @songbird, @utu, @Wokechoke

    Thompson, He had charisma.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Wokechoke

    Apparently, Thompson blamed leadership and also said only about 13-18 people out of about 190 people on the ground did it, with the others not stopping it.

    Thompson seems to have testified that he saw Medina shooting civilians.

  662. @Wizard of Oz
    @iffen

    Please explain what profundity YOU think you are hinting at Oh oracular one. History doesn't have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.

    Replies: @iffen

    You think history is some sort of objective phenomenon with its own rules and existence. It is us, and we make it what we want it to be when we are making “us”. Things happen. The writing about “what” happened is not what occurred. History is what a particular person or people want it to be. It’s not “real,” except to those who believe it to be.

    • Replies: @utu
    @iffen

    "It’s not “real,” except to those who believe it to be." - And 95% of people over centuries end up believing it. In the evolutionary sense that whatever survives is the most fit and what is most fit is the best, history as bestowed on us is the best truth there is. Why would you want another truth that is not fit to survive? Why would you like to be shilling for Neanderthals? Why would you write a series of "American Pravda" articles unless you were some kind of madman with the delusion of grandeur believing that he could change "history"? Only the true intent of subversion explains it.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    , @Wizard of Oz
    @iffen

    If you are going to be presumptuous and tell someone what he thinks you need to have the intellect and integrity which would resstrain you from ignoring the carefully chosen words of the writer, in this case


    History doesn’t have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.

     

    Replies: @iffen

  663. Regarding recent Hungary elections, it should be reminded why Hungarian elite and population may in general strategically feel way less touchy about modern RF behaviour – there were no Orban in power yet, but it was the single time perhaps when Putin himself had the courage to confirm the policy of Yeltsin years concerning distancing from Soviet past towards non Western European nation and in fact nearly apologized for 1956 USSR invasion and even gave some culture treasuries back, which were taken in WWII:

    Hungarian President Laszlo Solyom (left) and Russian President Vladimir Putin during a welcoming ceremony for Putin today at Budapest’s Alexander Palace (epa) 28 February 2006 — Russian President Vladimir Putin today acknowledged Moscow’s “moral responsibility” for the bloody Soviet suppression of the 1956 Hungarian uprising.

    On this, the first day of a two-day visit to Hungary, the Russian president reminded journalists that his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin, had come to Hungary in 1992 and condemned the Soviet role in crushing the revolt.

    Putin said that modern Russia is not the Soviet Union, but it still feels “some sort of moral responsibility for these events.” Putin said the past must not be forgotten, even while looking to the future.

    “Today’s modern Russia is not the same as the Soviet Union used to be. I have to say, sincerely, that we all feel in our souls the moral responsibility for those events.”

    During his visit, Putin will hold talks with Hungarian President Laszlo Solyom, Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany and other officials.

    While energy issues are expected to dominate talks, the main event is the formal return of a trove of priceless, centuries-old books seized by the Soviet Army during World War II and taken to Russia.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/1066245.html

    • Replies: @utu
    @sudden death

    Hungarians have a knack for supporting the losing side.

  664. @Emil Nikola Richard
    I watched Lira's Nuland video. Some of his videos are terrible. I learned in this one:

    Nuland's father was a brilliant accomplished man. He was so depressed when she was a teenager he had 1970's-era electroshock treatment. The amps and volts they were using then made this a desperation move. Her grandfather was born in Russian empire and fled pogroms. This family is extremely messed up. She wants to destroy Russia.

    Fortunately for them she inherited her mother's brains.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherwin_B._Nuland

    Also I looked up her husband. The couple could have a combined three digit Body Mass Index.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s crazy that our foreign policy is controlled by these people.

  665. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Probably just rumor rather than real emigration?
     
    I'm just going by what the Russian press is writing. She bailed. Whether it's "real emigration", you know, it's a kind of a flexible term these days. Our friend Morgie also left for a vacation in Dubai and it seems he's still there months later. If one lives overseas for a month or so, not sure if that can be deemed "emigration", "Philosopher's ship", some kind of parallel life? It's not the worst. My feel is that she is trying to reorganize her work life, but she couldn't monetize her YouTube channel. I know that many Russian journalists who had to bail Russia created an alternative media infrastructure. Yes, Israel sounds interesting, I'm very curious about Israel now.

    So Nevzorov was there, too, recently and performed for some kind of a Russophone audience. But he mentioned that he was "around camels" when he went on Gordon, so I assume he was in Dubai. Tbh, I don't necessarily share his political views, he is pretty far out in his libertarianism, I mostly like his rants for linguistic reasons, he has very colorful speech, I'd say his genre is "political satire"?

    Speaking of Sobchak's dad... a video resurfaced of him speaking about Ukraine in 1991. It is evident from his words that Russia never really accepted 1991 was final, major major objections to Ukraine even having a serious army at all.. and this shows that way more attention should've been paid to this to mitigate things... if that could've been possible at all, maybe not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arQ6v9Yzd3k


    Chulpan Khamatova (an awarded local actress in Moscow) was able to attain a residency visa in Latvia and emigrated there permanently now. But it seems like she has prepared for a decade, buying utopian property in the Latvian countryside. Maybe your neighbor?
     
    Maybe future neighbor, hahaha, as recently I've been thinking more and more about country side properties -- traditional ones plus a newly built bunker. Oh, this actress lives deep in the woods, with deer roaming around, very romantic. Some of my friends have such properties, are remodeling them, my ex has a large traditional type estate, with an ancestral oak and tons of space.

    I was planning to return to my home town, to my family beach property, we have many famous (and non0-famous) Russian neighbors there. Athletes, entertainment people, theater directors, middle and upper middle class. And of course many guests during the summer. I really used to enjoy in the summers that the SKA junior hockey team visited, hung out at the spa (please don't get any wrong ideas, it's purely platonic). It was nice to see their youthful energy and it was flattering that they would visit, since they have many options where to spend vacations.

    But now it is all over...

    Replies: @Dmitry

    it’s “real emigration”, you know, it’s a kind of a flexible term

    Celebrities in Russia will emigrate less than you expect. There will not be emigration of such a cozy clique, only of some of the non systemic celebrities.

    The main celebrities are a group of jesters in a “royal court”. They can say some things but they are part of a royal entourage. It’s the courts’ clowns, and clowns follow the court.

    This is also one of the reasons there are less celebrities than there should be. It’s like Russia has the same number of celebrities, as countries with ten times less population. Because it is a cozy small court and there is only so few positions for them. It’s as 18th century Versailles doesn’t have many people, and the position of jesters in Versailles was limited.

    Of course, I do not wish to compare, as 18th century France (with its salons) was incredibly culturally fertile and creative society, while the cultural production in postsoviet Russia on the other hand..

    If one lives overseas for a month or so, not sure if that can be deemed “emigration”, “Philosopher’s ship”, some kind of parallel life?

    Yes, but most people from foothills upwards of elite in postsoviet space, usually has a parallel life in Europe, although those kind of Monaco social events (Bozhena blogged about in distant history) involving Russian defense industry’s sponsorship (tank manufacturer’s sponsorship) will be surely more restricted under European sanctions https://www.gazeta.ru/lifestyle/bozhena/4732945.shtml Probably they can host similar social events in only Caribbean or such tropical places nowadays.

    media infrastructure. Yes, Israel sounds interesting, I’m very curious about Israel now.

    Celebrities like Pugacheva with mansions in Israel, probably have the three-month tourist visa only. That’s all she needs. If you just only need Israel for vacation, who needs more than tourist visa. Although non-residents have a very high sales tax to stop them apartment-flipping too much (wealthy American Jews avoid this sales tax by sending their children to sit in the apartments for a few months before they flip them in Israel).

    Israel though is not very useful from perspective of people who want not even citizenship, but an external passport. If you can prove Jewish roots, you can receive Israeli citizenship with internal passport. But to receive an external passport from Israel requires you to live there a year, which is not easy for people who don’t actually want to live in Israel for a year.

    For little anyone interested in Yandex, it wants to move 800 of its workers (this is quite large amount in the industry, as there are quite small skilled workforces) to Israel as a sanctions avoidance strategy. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/fearing-sanctions-russia-s-yandex-wants-to-relocate-workers-to-israel-1.10663566 I would expect Israel should reject this as it’s exploiting the concept of a hi-tech visa program, for purposes it was not intended.

    mitigate things… if that could’ve been possible at all, maybe not.

    Of course, everything could and must have been peacefully resolved with Ukraine, even if Crimea should have been transferred (or purchased). It’s like justifiable problems with Alsace-Lorraine ownership, does not remove personal responsibility from the decisions of people who started the Second World War.

    plus a newly built bunker.
    lives deep in the woods, with deer roaming around, very romantic.

    Arvo Pärt Centre has this aesthetics of trying to integrate with the forest. Or “hide” in the forest. Maybe someone can correct me, but it seems like very Scandinavian style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzS1YohywQ. I want to visit there just for a vacation, apparently Arvo Pärt is often working in that building.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    only of some of the non systemic celebrities
     
    She was systemic. But I suppose she was too individualistic and may have needed a more comfortable environment. I remember watching her interview with Shulman, right on the night of the invasion, where Shulman straight up told her, it's over for our comforts and we'll have to adapt. I remember watching that and thinking "Oh my, how are these two fancy barishnyas going to handle this?". The next day I read that Ksyusha had bailed.



    Probably they can host similar social events in only Caribbean or such tropical places nowadays.
     
    I know what type of women usually frequent these Russian (or rather ethnically diverse, let's put it that way) events -- women who prioritize their appearance. They might want to be careful in places such as the Caribbean, it's a different environment there than Europe (there are sex crimes). I don't want to diss the Caribbean, but that's what I've heard from women who went there (too much unwanted attention).

    Celebrities like Pugacheva
     
    She has a property in LV, too. Not sure if she will be able to visit now.

    Israel though is not very useful from perspective of people who want not even citizenship, but an external passport.
     
    It's not the passport / visiting that I'm interested, I'm more interested in how they combine a secular lifestyle with high birth rates & female conscription. I'm very curious as to how this affects the relationship dynamics between men & women. Basically, how they pull it off. Granted, I'm aware that only something like 50-60% of the women serve, but still. The Baltic States need to become like a Northern Israel, so it would be interesting to learn about these internal dynamics.

    It's also well known that the Israelis are willing and able to avenge every single Jewish person that is killed or hurt. Mossad will chase the transgressors around the world.

    We won't be issuing tourist visas to Russian citizens in the foreseeable future, so unless you have some other kind of document besides a Russian passport, it might be a long time.

    Yandex, it wants to move 800 of its workers (this is quite large amount in the industry, as there are quite small skilled workforces) to Israel as a sanctions avoidance strategy.
     
    This is a tough question, since it would be unacceptable to evade the sanctions, but also very tempting to absorb Russian talent. Most of the Yandex hipsters are most likely anti-war anyway.


    Of course, everything could and must have been peacefully resolved with Ukraine, even if Crimea should have been transferred (or purchased)
     
    Not just Ukraine, all of us. But for Ukraine, it is interesting that this Sobchak's interview shows how difficult it was to split up the heritage of the Soviet Union. Should the Ukrainians not have been given credit for helping build the Soviet military industry, including the Black Sea flotilla? Men from all republics contributed.

    Arvo Pärt Centre has this aesthetics of trying to integrate with the forest.
     
    We won't be issuing tourist visas to Russian citizens in the foreseeable future, so unless you have some other kind of a document besides a Russian passport, it might be a long time.

    I like that concept and the scenery in this center (similar to my home town). One way to do this is to have a large window and the trees right next to it or a balcony where you can see the tops of pine trees. Might be nice to sit there and play cello. However, this particular place, as is so common with Estonian architecture, is way too minimalistic and plain for my taste. This is even more minimalistic than normal Nordic style, because that style at least features more white painted tree furniture and more interior items.

    Although this might be smart... if Russian marauders come, there will be nothing to take. Everything of value is in one's head and in the atmosphere. Only some books or note paper to help burn the bodies.

    What I had in mind is a real detached country household, tucked in lush deciduous trees & bushes, with several buildings, a couple of gardens & a large storage space combined with a bunker. Although, to be frank, nobody's going to bomb on the country side anyway, bunkers will be more useful in the city & the surrounding suburbs.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    Maybe someone can correct me, but it seems like very Scandinavian style.
     
    IBM and ATT liked to put their tech think tanks out in the woods.

    The Army stashed Oppenheimer and them at Los Alamos to build the bomb. That was for security, not mystique, but corporate decision committees thought it was an intrinsically great idea that the workers never liked. It's kind of like being on a company compound in Saudi Arabia where you are stuck with nobody but your co-workers 24/7.
  666. @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    Thompson, He had charisma.

    Replies: @songbird

    Apparently, Thompson blamed leadership and also said only about 13-18 people out of about 190 people on the ground did it, with the others not stopping it.

    Thompson seems to have testified that he saw Medina shooting civilians.

  667. @sudden death
    Regarding recent Hungary elections, it should be reminded why Hungarian elite and population may in general strategically feel way less touchy about modern RF behaviour - there were no Orban in power yet, but it was the single time perhaps when Putin himself had the courage to confirm the policy of Yeltsin years concerning distancing from Soviet past towards non Western European nation and in fact nearly apologized for 1956 USSR invasion and even gave some culture treasuries back, which were taken in WWII:

    Hungarian President Laszlo Solyom (left) and Russian President Vladimir Putin during a welcoming ceremony for Putin today at Budapest's Alexander Palace (epa) 28 February 2006 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin today acknowledged Moscow's “moral responsibility” for the bloody Soviet suppression of the 1956 Hungarian uprising.

    On this, the first day of a two-day visit to Hungary, the Russian president reminded journalists that his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin, had come to Hungary in 1992 and condemned the Soviet role in crushing the revolt.

    Putin said that modern Russia is not the Soviet Union, but it still feels "some sort of moral responsibility for these events." Putin said the past must not be forgotten, even while looking to the future.

    "Today's modern Russia is not the same as the Soviet Union used to be. I have to say, sincerely, that we all feel in our souls the moral responsibility for those events."

    During his visit, Putin will hold talks with Hungarian President Laszlo Solyom, Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany and other officials.

    While energy issues are expected to dominate talks, the main event is the formal return of a trove of priceless, centuries-old books seized by the Soviet Army during World War II and taken to Russia.
     

    https://www.rferl.org/a/1066245.html

    Replies: @utu

    Hungarians have a knack for supporting the losing side.

  668. @216
    @Ron Unz

    CPT Medina was hispanic
    2LT Calley was white
    SSG Mitchell was black
    SGT Torres was hispanic

    Most of the platoon was white.

    The events were covered up by a certain Maj. Colin Powell.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    CPT Medina was hispanic
    2LT Calley was white
    SSG Mitchell was black
    SGT Torres was hispanic

    Most of the platoon was white.

    The events were covered up by a certain Maj. Colin Powell.

    Thanks. I’d known about Medina and Powell, and what you’re saying accords exactly with my impression of the history, namely that some of the soldiers were probably black or Hispanic, but most were white.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    Mostly… look up the names and the photos. Cross reference with the defendants.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    A platoon only has so many Sarges. The Staff Sargent David Mitchell might as well be the platoon boss as far as the men are concerned. The young second LT wouldn’t have been a figure of authority either. When the Warrant Officer showed up he countermanded the event in the platoon even though he was junior to Calley and Medina. What happened that day suggests the officer was being controlled by vengeful NCOs under his command.

  669. @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview "many if not most units" have war crimes in Vietnam.

    I haven't read his book ("Chasing The Light" 2020), but this is what he said if you watch his videos on YouTube.

    He also claims he experienced African Americans soldiers were less brutal, because they were ideologically not so much believing in this Vietnam war. Stone says he experienced culture difference within the platoons and he argues this relates to treatment of Vietnamese civilians (https://youtu.be/xndJ0TnafHE?t=84).

    He views Vietnam now through a kind of postcolonial theory (https://youtu.be/h1X43DNUkGY?t=125).

    Stone was volunteer soldier in Vietnam for over a year, in three different combat units, winner of many military awards. So, I assume, he saw a lot of things. At 3:10 in this view, he says about how he saw abuse of Vietnamese population, including rape. https://billmoyers.com/2013/02/08/moyers-moment-2009-oliver-stone-on-coming-to-terms-with-vietnam/

    Even he says he shot at Vietnamese civilians' feet. "” Stone has admitted that a scene in Platoon, where an enraged Taylor fires at villagers’ feet, directly mirrors one of his own more manic moments: “I got angry. These people could be very obtuse. I felt like I wanted to kill someone, but I shot at the feet instead. I lost my mind. But I didn’t kill anyone in cold blood.”" https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2018/07/27/oliver-stone-vietnam/

    He was from an upper class family and volunteered to fight in Vietnam, as a result of psychological crisis while he was in Yale University.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ron Unz

    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview “many if not most units” have war crimes in Vietnam.

    Sure, I’d always vaguely assumed that there had been many, many small-scale massacres during the Vietnam War. In fact, that case with Sen. Bob Kerrey got lots of attention twenty-odd years ago.

    But I remain very skeptical about most of the soldiers in the particular My Lai massacre being non-white until I get some solid evidence for that claim.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Ron Unz

    In 1971, John Kerry also said he committed atrocities. He later walked it back in 2004, when he was running for president.

    , @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz


    vaguely assumed that there had been many, many small-scale massacres

     

    I haven't read much about the Vietnam war, but it seems like it is a common theme from most media I received about it. Perhaps some bias from limited information and from films.

    But Oliver Stone was fighting 1967-1968.

    This story is about 1965-1967
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210513092237/https://www.toledoblade.com/special-tiger-force/2003/10/19/DAY-1-Rogue-GIs-unleashed-wave-of-terror-in-Central-Highlands/stories/201105180172

    John Kerry who is obviously a very famous politician (fights in Vietnam 1968-1969), was saying same kind of reports as Oliver Stone after 5:20 in this speech, after talking to 150 soldiers. https://youtu.be/ucY7JOfg6G4?t=322.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ron Unz

    The organized terror program was Operation Phoenix. Hit lists, death squads. CIA. White as the Declaration of Independence painting with Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams.

    My Lai was nothing in comparison to this. The fellows who will bomb a wedding or funeral because one guy on the terrorist most wanted list is invited come from this sector.

  670. @Ron Unz
    @216


    CPT Medina was hispanic
    2LT Calley was white
    SSG Mitchell was black
    SGT Torres was hispanic

    Most of the platoon was white.

    The events were covered up by a certain Maj. Colin Powell.
     
    Thanks. I'd known about Medina and Powell, and what you're saying accords exactly with my impression of the history, namely that some of the soldiers were probably black or Hispanic, but most were white.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    Mostly… look up the names and the photos. Cross reference with the defendants.

  671. utu says:
    @iffen
    @Wizard of Oz

    You think history is some sort of objective phenomenon with its own rules and existence. It is us, and we make it what we want it to be when we are making "us". Things happen. The writing about "what" happened is not what occurred. History is what a particular person or people want it to be. It's not "real," except to those who believe it to be.

    Replies: @utu, @Wizard of Oz

    “It’s not “real,” except to those who believe it to be.” – And 95% of people over centuries end up believing it. In the evolutionary sense that whatever survives is the most fit and what is most fit is the best, history as bestowed on us is the best truth there is. Why would you want another truth that is not fit to survive? Why would you like to be shilling for Neanderthals? Why would you write a series of “American Pravda” articles unless you were some kind of madman with the delusion of grandeur believing that he could change “history”? Only the true intent of subversion explains it.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @utu

    Your comment is filled with half-truths. I still like to read you because with a little work I weed out the untruths and end up with something positive.
    You are probably right about evolution in action in the history of ideas, but what you call "subversion" is actually part of evolution: it's called "mutations", and you never can know when a successful mutation will appear. This is happening all the time with regards to ancient history; for example, just the other day there was a book about Caligula saying he was not the monster everyone thought he was.
    I really don't know whether these things are more likely to happen after centuries have passed or just a few decades. There are two opposing factors at work: a longer time span means a greater chance of working without the passions and ideological fads that conditions historical discourse; on the other hand, it also means working without primary sources, and perhaps even secondary ones.

    Replies: @iffen, @Emil Nikola Richard

  672. @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    Yes. Go to the My Lai museum webpage. The Vietnamese clearly show the black perps in the diorama. The grizzly Captain over Calley (weak subaltern) was a Mexican looking Mexican and many of the NCOs were black or Hispanic. When a white officer showed up it was all stopped and the officer wrote to the general staff to have it all investigated. The investigator was sent and it was a certain Colin Powell.

    You can go through the service records of the platoon and cross reference names and photos and you won’t like what you see there. Calley was a zoo keeper nothing more.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Yes. Go to the My Lai museum webpage. The Vietnamese clearly show the black perps in the diorama. The grizzly Captain over Calley (weak subaltern) was a Mexican looking Mexican and many of the NCOs were black or Hispanic…You can go through the service records of the platoon and cross reference names and photos and you won’t like what you see there. Calley was a zoo keeper nothing more.

    I’m afraid you’ve have to provide some links or solid evidence before I’ll believe you. My impression was that a large majority of the platoon was white, and if it instead had mostly been non-white I can’t see why racialist websites wouldn’t have made a big deal about the history in the last couple of decades.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mỹ_Lai_massacre

    The defendant list.

    Herbert Carter, David Mitchell, Varnado Simpson were all black.

    Kenneth Hodges, Michael Terry and Harry Stanley I’ll have to recheck.

    By the time the Massacre occurred the US Army was becoming fully integrated killing machine anyway. The sentimental attachments between the men was such that they claimed they were avenging the death of a popular Sargent who’d been killed earlier. I don’t recall if he was a black guy or not the captain and NCOs around the massacre were pretty damned vibrant.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ron Unz

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    Here’s why…


    https://www.c-span.org/video/?442602-1/1968-lai-massacre

    At 48:00 the speaker discusses Medina’s acquittal and also talk about David Mitchell. He fails to mention that the government doesn’t want to drag an Hispanic through the digrace, not does he want to say that Mitchell a principal target of prosecution is black. Torres as well. 12 suspect 6 prosecutions and 1 conviction. A useless 2LT. No NCO no Captain. Even though both were clearly feeling the massacre.

  673. @songbird
    @sher singh

    Thought it was pretty clear chemical weapons weren't very effective during WWI.

    During WW2, none of the Euro powers used them, even though the US nuked and firebombed cities, so that 100,000 civilians were killed in Tokyo in one night.

    The US still uses depleted uranium munitions and landmines because they work.

    Maybe, chemical weapons would be more effective with drones? Or used as a terror weapon? I don't know.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @Ron Unz

    Thought it was pretty clear chemical weapons weren’t very effective during WWI.

    During WW2, none of the Euro powers used them, even though the US nuked and firebombed cities, so that 100,000 civilians were killed in Tokyo in one night.

    Actually, I thought that in one of his lectures David Irving made a petty strong case that if Germany had decided to use its extremely advanced chemical weapons, it probably would have won the war. In particular, the Normandy invasion force would have been annihilated, and I’d assume the very difficult sieges of both Leningrad and Stalingrad would also have turned out differently. One point he made was that the German weapons were very far superior to their Allied counterparts, and had no effective defenses.

    • Thanks: songbird
  674. @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    Yes. Go to the My Lai museum webpage. The Vietnamese clearly show the black perps in the diorama. The grizzly Captain over Calley (weak subaltern) was a Mexican looking Mexican and many of the NCOs were black or Hispanic...You can go through the service records of the platoon and cross reference names and photos and you won’t like what you see there. Calley was a zoo keeper nothing more.
     
    I'm afraid you've have to provide some links or solid evidence before I'll believe you. My impression was that a large majority of the platoon was white, and if it instead had mostly been non-white I can't see why racialist websites wouldn't have made a big deal about the history in the last couple of decades.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mỹ_Lai_massacre

    The defendant list.

    Herbert Carter, David Mitchell, Varnado Simpson were all black.

    Kenneth Hodges, Michael Terry and Harry Stanley I’ll have to recheck.

    By the time the Massacre occurred the US Army was becoming fully integrated killing machine anyway. The sentimental attachments between the men was such that they claimed they were avenging the death of a popular Sargent who’d been killed earlier. I don’t recall if he was a black guy or not the captain and NCOs around the massacre were pretty damned vibrant.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Wokechoke

    Hodges was also a black.

    , @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    The defendant list...By the time the Massacre occurred the US Army was becoming fully integrated killing machine anyway.
     
    Thanks for the link and the list, but I really don't see that the Wikipedia article supports your strong original claims.

    The main massacre was committed by Calley's 1st Platoon, with 14 names being listed. Calley himself was white and those 14 men included 2 blacks and 1 Hispanic. When one of the latter was unwilling to follow Calley's orders and continue the massacre, Calley grabbed the machine-gun and did it himself.

    Meanwhile, the Wiki page lists about 15 officers investigated for their roles in the massacre, of whom 1 was Hispanic and all the others were apparently white.

    Three other blacks from different platoons are listed as having been involved in additional killings, along with three other whites.

    So the skew was somewhat more heavily black than I'd imagined, but still overwhelmingly white, including Calley, the commanding officer.

    Wikipedia is hardly an unimpeachable source, but based upon this account I think it's very unreasonable to portray the My Lai massacre as mostly due to non-whites.

    This easily explains why I've never your sorts of claims made by American Renaissance, VDare, or other racialist websites.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  675. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview “many if not most units” have war crimes in Vietnam.
     
    Sure, I'd always vaguely assumed that there had been many, many small-scale massacres during the Vietnam War. In fact, that case with Sen. Bob Kerrey got lots of attention twenty-odd years ago.

    But I remain very skeptical about most of the soldiers in the particular My Lai massacre being non-white until I get some solid evidence for that claim.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard

    In 1971, John Kerry also said he committed atrocities. He later walked it back in 2004, when he was running for president.

  676. @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mỹ_Lai_massacre

    The defendant list.

    Herbert Carter, David Mitchell, Varnado Simpson were all black.

    Kenneth Hodges, Michael Terry and Harry Stanley I’ll have to recheck.

    By the time the Massacre occurred the US Army was becoming fully integrated killing machine anyway. The sentimental attachments between the men was such that they claimed they were avenging the death of a popular Sargent who’d been killed earlier. I don’t recall if he was a black guy or not the captain and NCOs around the massacre were pretty damned vibrant.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ron Unz

    Hodges was also a black.

  677. As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living, I have recently begun consuming raw milk and raw dairy items (unpasteurized).

    Annoyingly, our nanny state government makes the purchase of raw milk from stores illegal. This means that we sad Americans have long been denied the full glory of true Normandy Brie and Camambert cheese, which is properly made from raw milk for full deliciousness.

    But raw milk is supposed to contain lots of brobiotics and bacteria that hugely promote health. But of course New Yorkers are nothing if not resourceful, and through a complicated legal loophole one can easily obtain raw milk by joining a co-op that gives you “ownership” of the farms for a negligible fee.

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly. The milk is amazing! At 6.3% fat it’s higher in fat than regular whole milk in America, which is 4%, and is sweeter and fresher than any milk I have tasted.

    The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore 🙂

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don’t die soon, I will let you all know how it goes 🙂

    But mostly, I do not do this for health, but I am doing this primarily for spiritual reasons – by consuming highly processed and unnatural products, I am implicitly affirming a world view that I no longer wish to affirm.

    In Indian Buddhism and I believe Hindu culture in general, milk and dairy have a special status of excellence and nobility as foods – I beginning to see why!

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @AaronB

    Good for you on getting some good milk. Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from? I'm on the same tack but we actually have the cow and do the milking here.

    Personally, my own is a Jersey who should be coming into her full cream now that the grass will come in. I suspect your milk will go up in cream content too. On spring and summer grass, I usually get a good 1/4 to 1/3 jar of thick spoon cream. It is indeed the best stuff!

    New York regulations do make it very tiresome to get raw milk, but as you mention there are workarounds. You can also purchase it directly from the farm location, and there is such a farm a few miles from me. Not to toot my own horn, but my own milk is better anyhow, coming from only one hand-milked animal.

    We've been drinking our raw milk for years and never had any issues with contamination or getting ill, so hopefully you will have an equally good experience.

    Once you are used to real milk, store bought milk tastes so...dead. There really is no other word for it. As you say, one can look at this from a spiritual vantage point. To choose to eat real things in a world obsessed with the artifice of things is a revolutionary act. Strawberries in season are incomparable, and I will often down 2 quarts just driving a couple flats home. I almost never eat store strawberries though since they are bloated and flavorless. It's rather sad to think of how many have never really tasted a strawberry or milk. It's almost as if one can spend one's whole life and never really experience anything at all, only the faint shadows of things.

    The only problem is that you have now cursed yourself with being unable to ever be content with "store" milk. Now you have to come upstate to pick some concord grapes this fall and make jelly so you can be forever ruined to that too!

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @LatW, @sudden death

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB


    In Indian Buddhism and I believe Hindu culture in general, milk and dairy have a special status of excellence and nobility as foods – I beginning to see why!
     
    Urine and mercury are in the adept program!
    , @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    If you like the taste, then enjoy. But it's not such a "natural" food, in the sense it has only been in human food supply for <240 generations, with introduction of dairy farming technology.

    What the health implications would be? Who knows (.

    But you know the popular theory, from the experiments with fruit flies, where giving fruit flies diet which they have eaten <1000 generations, results in worse average health for the older flies, although younger flies are more adapted to more recent (almost another way to say, "less natural") diet.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @AaronB

    , @Colin Wright
    @AaronB

    'The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore 🙂

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don’t die soon, I will let you all know how it goes...'


    Given that your 'elixir' is essentially pure milk fat, what you're feeling building would be your cholesterol level.

    But carry on; I certainly don't wish to dissuade you. Have some cheesecake.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living
     

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly.
     
    I'm with you bro. Nothing says natural living like having milk and cream delivered to your doorstep weekly. You just click on "Proceed to Payment" and presto, it's there before you know it - just the way the first pastoralists did it untold thousands of years ago.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  678. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview “many if not most units” have war crimes in Vietnam.
     
    Sure, I'd always vaguely assumed that there had been many, many small-scale massacres during the Vietnam War. In fact, that case with Sen. Bob Kerrey got lots of attention twenty-odd years ago.

    But I remain very skeptical about most of the soldiers in the particular My Lai massacre being non-white until I get some solid evidence for that claim.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard

    vaguely assumed that there had been many, many small-scale massacres

    I haven’t read much about the Vietnam war, but it seems like it is a common theme from most media I received about it. Perhaps some bias from limited information and from films.

    But Oliver Stone was fighting 1967-1968.

    This story is about 1965-1967
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210513092237/https://www.toledoblade.com/special-tiger-force/2003/10/19/DAY-1-Rogue-GIs-unleashed-wave-of-terror-in-Central-Highlands/stories/201105180172

    John Kerry who is obviously a very famous politician (fights in Vietnam 1968-1969), was saying same kind of reports as Oliver Stone after 5:20 in this speech, after talking to 150 soldiers. https://youtu.be/ucY7JOfg6G4?t=322.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry

    If you just watch some minutes of this film on YouTube, it includes many stories reported by soldiers of crimes in Vietnam 1960s. Of course, it not unique for a particular war or particular country, but common in many wars in world history, by many countries. A lot of soldiers presenting their memories of crimes against civilians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzMeQGw4Bfs

  679. @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    Lazards' unsubsidized, levelized cost of energy should be trying to account for subsidies and degradation of equipment, etc.

    Surely it's not perfect, but the wind energy is at least cheap now, when wind is going. Problem is it doesn't have the same steady production, without including storage, as there are days without wind. And storage will increase cost by a lot, if you need to install farms of batteries.


    running my home off grid, so I’m not exactly a gas guzzling oil lover.
     
    How did you generate energy for running your home offgrid?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Yes sorry, my initial grumpy rant did not really process the data points. It is a very nicely done set of stats, which I’ll save for future reference, so thanks for posting that.

    As you say, storage is the major issue for renewables and barring any breakthroughs will be a tough nut to crack. It’s similar with my offgrid PV system. The batteries are a sizable recurring cost and constant maintenance item.

    Overall, I’m just not sure that renewables are as much of a seismic environmental shift as is touted. They seem like an incremental improvement, but hardly a fundamental change.

  680. @Ron Unz
    @216


    CPT Medina was hispanic
    2LT Calley was white
    SSG Mitchell was black
    SGT Torres was hispanic

    Most of the platoon was white.

    The events were covered up by a certain Maj. Colin Powell.
     
    Thanks. I'd known about Medina and Powell, and what you're saying accords exactly with my impression of the history, namely that some of the soldiers were probably black or Hispanic, but most were white.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    A platoon only has so many Sarges. The Staff Sargent David Mitchell might as well be the platoon boss as far as the men are concerned. The young second LT wouldn’t have been a figure of authority either. When the Warrant Officer showed up he countermanded the event in the platoon even though he was junior to Calley and Medina. What happened that day suggests the officer was being controlled by vengeful NCOs under his command.

  681. @AaronB
    As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living, I have recently begun consuming raw milk and raw dairy items (unpasteurized).

    Annoyingly, our nanny state government makes the purchase of raw milk from stores illegal. This means that we sad Americans have long been denied the full glory of true Normandy Brie and Camambert cheese, which is properly made from raw milk for full deliciousness.

    But raw milk is supposed to contain lots of brobiotics and bacteria that hugely promote health. But of course New Yorkers are nothing if not resourceful, and through a complicated legal loophole one can easily obtain raw milk by joining a co-op that gives you "ownership" of the farms for a negligible fee.

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly. The milk is amazing! At 6.3% fat it's higher in fat than regular whole milk in America, which is 4%, and is sweeter and fresher than any milk I have tasted.

    The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore :)

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don't die soon, I will let you all know how it goes :)

    But mostly, I do not do this for health, but I am doing this primarily for spiritual reasons - by consuming highly processed and unnatural products, I am implicitly affirming a world view that I no longer wish to affirm.

    In Indian Buddhism and I believe Hindu culture in general, milk and dairy have a special status of excellence and nobility as foods - I beginning to see why!

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Colin Wright, @silviosilver

    Good for you on getting some good milk. Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from? I’m on the same tack but we actually have the cow and do the milking here.

    Personally, my own is a Jersey who should be coming into her full cream now that the grass will come in. I suspect your milk will go up in cream content too. On spring and summer grass, I usually get a good 1/4 to 1/3 jar of thick spoon cream. It is indeed the best stuff!

    New York regulations do make it very tiresome to get raw milk, but as you mention there are workarounds. You can also purchase it directly from the farm location, and there is such a farm a few miles from me. Not to toot my own horn, but my own milk is better anyhow, coming from only one hand-milked animal.

    We’ve been drinking our raw milk for years and never had any issues with contamination or getting ill, so hopefully you will have an equally good experience.

    Once you are used to real milk, store bought milk tastes so…dead. There really is no other word for it. As you say, one can look at this from a spiritual vantage point. To choose to eat real things in a world obsessed with the artifice of things is a revolutionary act. Strawberries in season are incomparable, and I will often down 2 quarts just driving a couple flats home. I almost never eat store strawberries though since they are bloated and flavorless. It’s rather sad to think of how many have never really tasted a strawberry or milk. It’s almost as if one can spend one’s whole life and never really experience anything at all, only the faint shadows of things.

    The only problem is that you have now cursed yourself with being unable to ever be content with “store” milk. Now you have to come upstate to pick some concord grapes this fall and make jelly so you can be forever ruined to that too!

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Barbarossa

    Ha, I was thinking of you when I wrote that comment - I figured you probably ate raw dairy also and had your own cows :)

    So the co-op I order from has the option to choose milk from a Guernsey cow, a Jersey cow, or mixed European cows (as they call it).

    I've heard good things about Guernsey cows so that's what I opted for. Let me know please if there is a good reason to choose Jersey! I may do so anyways just to see the difference.

    Ok, so I'm now I'm super excited to taste the spring and summer grass milk and cream :)

    Yes, it is legal to also buy directly from the farm - as summer rolls round and I begin again making my Hudson Valley expeditions, I plan to visit some farms and buy raw dairy directly more.


    We’ve been drinking our raw milk for years and never had any issues with contamination or getting ill, so hopefully you will have an equally good experience
     
    I'm very glad to hear this. Yes, I'm not particularly worried.

    I was actually reading that the reason the US mandated pasteurization is that city dairies often had really unhygenic conditions leading to contaminated milk.

    But properly handled raw milk from clean farms it seems is largely as safe as pasteurized.

    The only problem is that you have now cursed yourself with being unable to ever be content with “store” milk. Now you have to come upstate to pick some concord grapes this fall and make jelly so you can be forever ruined to that too!
     
    Yes, I have belatedly come to realize this :) I cannot go back to store bough milk anymore!

    Your description of it as "dead" tasting is spot on.

    I am already starting to research raw milk out West for when I go on my nature exploration trips - luckily, it seems farms selling raw dairy are not uncommon in the countryside out West, which is a relief!

    Unfortunately, as you correctly perceive the next step for me is to find more products to eat in their natural and pure forms, making my life even more complicated and difficult :)

    Concord grapes fresh from a farm upstate sounds divine!

    Oh well, a good life is not an easy life.

    To choose to eat real things in a world obsessed with the artifice of things is a revolutionary act
     
    Yes, I do believe so. It's an incredible fact, but nevertheless true.

    It's significant that the government actually tries to stop us from living naturally in the name of "safety".

    What I have found on the spiritual path, is no step on that path is "innocuous" no matter how inoffensive it may seem to you.

    For instance, the pushback I got when I tried to simplify my life, dispense with luxury, and lose ambition - astonished me!

    Makes you realize there truly are spiritual "forces" at work beyond mere "rational" self interest.

    It’s rather sad to think of how many have never really tasted a strawberry or milk. It’s almost as if one can spend one’s whole life and never really experience anything at all, only the faint shadows of things.
     
    So true! And it really is sad and unfortunate that our society provides "shadow" experience of life as it's standard, default offering, and one must actually strive mightily to live an authentic life and merely taste what is in fact our human birthright.
    , @utu
    @Barbarossa

    There is a good reason why milk is pasteurized. Tens of millions of lives mostly of children have been saved because of pasteurization since when it was introduced in 1920 or so. In countries where they had no pasteurization or where it was introduced much later it was common to boil milk before consumption. Nobody sane with an ounce of education would give a raw milk to children without boiling it first.

    Raw milk straight from the cow stinks with manure or at least have a hint of this smell. This also goes for butter and farmer cheese. Cheeses like brie after the processes of 'fermentation' and ripening have their own strong flavor so the hint of manure flavor is subdued.

    The raw milk fad is just as stupid as many other fads that yuppies and bobos came up with like that you need to spend at least $5,000 on accessories before you can sit on a bicycle. Obviously the unscrupulous milk farmers will support it because they make lots of money selling cheaper product than the pasteurized milk for much more. And the thrill of doing it against the Big Government gives those fools from Upper East or West side extra kick to feel righteous and brave.

    I am afraid you are using only the left side of your ass. Check with with AaronB who is an expert on speaking from the left side or the right side of ass or perhaps he haven't read a book about ass yet. Perhaps the next Spring.



    I know what real strawberries, raspberries or cherries are and how white transparent apple taste but they were available only for 2-3 weeks in the season. Now we have strawberries or raspberry available every day during a year. Yes they usually do not tase as good but they are bailable for everybody, for people who otherwise would never know what a strawberry is.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa

    , @LatW
    @Barbarossa


    Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from?
     
    Btw, have you heard of the Danish Red cow? Are they kept in the US at all? It's a very patient, productive breed.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @sudden death
    @Barbarossa

    What is the situation in USA with tick infestation? In my country the main issue with raw milk is tick related diseases, but it seems to be more common with goat milk use, which is way more rare than cow related production though.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  682. @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz


    vaguely assumed that there had been many, many small-scale massacres

     

    I haven't read much about the Vietnam war, but it seems like it is a common theme from most media I received about it. Perhaps some bias from limited information and from films.

    But Oliver Stone was fighting 1967-1968.

    This story is about 1965-1967
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210513092237/https://www.toledoblade.com/special-tiger-force/2003/10/19/DAY-1-Rogue-GIs-unleashed-wave-of-terror-in-Central-Highlands/stories/201105180172

    John Kerry who is obviously a very famous politician (fights in Vietnam 1968-1969), was saying same kind of reports as Oliver Stone after 5:20 in this speech, after talking to 150 soldiers. https://youtu.be/ucY7JOfg6G4?t=322.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    If you just watch some minutes of this film on YouTube, it includes many stories reported by soldiers of crimes in Vietnam 1960s. Of course, it not unique for a particular war or particular country, but common in many wars in world history, by many countries. A lot of soldiers presenting their memories of crimes against civilians.

  683. A123 says: • Website
    @AaronB
    @A123

    Those are good points.

    I'd say SJW would be a classic left hemisphere phenomenon, with it's obsession with a completely abstract and logical "equality" that ignores empirical real world differences, and especially it's obsession with "equal outcomes" - the desire to reduce everyone to a logical sameness without concrete differences.

    Also, the idea that each race must be represented on every movie because a movie based in medieval Europe must nevertheless"look like today's America" etc.

    It's sort of like what an "abstract map" of justice someone suffering from autism - a classic right hemisphere deficit malady - might come up with if he couldn't understand emotion and empirical reality.

    So I'd see the two trends as different arms of the same phenomenon converging. Humanities and arts being captured by left hemisphere thinking while at the same time STEM undergoing a massive upgrade in prestige such that it's practically the only activity still considered high prestige in the West and the main factor in the economy.


    The best STEM professionals actually are often very good “right brain”. Finding a new pattern amongst piles of data is an intuitive and essential feature of break thru research. This is why U.S. schools remain the best in Engineering & Science versus those in Asia that emphasize STEM grinding rather than cultivating creative thinking.
     
    That is true, our best geniuses always had a lot of right hemisphere thinking, as creativity is literally impossible to the left hemisphere.

    But as we move more to a purely left hemisphere dominant culture, it's obvious that genius has been in significant, rapid, and probably terminal decline across the world.

    And the bureaucratic and legalist left hemisphere cognitive style that now dominates is actively hostile to originality and creativity.

    Do we have an advantage over Asia? It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life.

    Uber and Airbnb are just the logical extension of existing paradigms - but it's extremely notable that there is no "paradigm work" being done whatsoever. No "higher level" thinking being done at all.

    It's all rather trivial extensions of existing technology and trends.

    I was thinking the other day of how weird our times are when China bases it's claim to superiority on it's willingness to apply existing systems of pandemic control - which even if you think is a good thing, is not exactly earth shaking - and is about bureaucratic social control rather than creativity, ingenuity, discovery, or even just skillfulness. It just depends on a certain disposition in the populace and a certain ruthlessness in the government.

    Uber and Facebook and the like also strike me more as successful "social phenomena" more than scientific triumphs, if I think about it.

    This is what a left hemisphere dominated world brings.

    Incidentally, China's leaders are engineers - bad things, I am afraid, are in it's future (although it's already bad with the massive surveillance and control, and dedication to "utility").

    The problem now is global, and increasingly minute differences in different world regions don't seem to affect the overall picture that much.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @A123, @A123

    That is true, our best geniuses always had a lot of right hemisphere thinking, as creativity is literally impossible to the left hemisphere.

    Do we have an advantage over Asia? It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life

    Asia STEM schools admission is very rote memorize & repeat for testing. Many hours upon hours are spend grinding away to get it. My impression is that the schools are also this way, but they may just be stuck with a student population that does not have the creativity to exploit opportunities.

    The best STEM schools in the U.S. still have self driven individuals and various purpose based clubs that cultivate interests outside of class. This interaction between classroom and personal activities opens up opportunities for creativity. For example, “build a vehicle for competition” between universities. There are solar power events, automated vehicles, and a variety of track and off road courses.

    http://www.industrytap.com/austin-st-paul-american-solar-challenge/19038

      

    The University of Michigan entry has a “high” body that opens under body area. Presumably they are looking for drag reduction and possibly additional stability. Some of the elements resemble catamaran hulls and airplane wings rather than automobiles.

    Presumably fund raising is key to these ventures, so the students have to develop personal skills and market their projects. Yes, STEM marketing, but still not dry calculations.

    Humanities and arts being captured by left hemisphere thinking while at the same time STEM undergoing a massive upgrade in prestige such that it’s practically the only activity still considered high prestige in the West and the main factor in the economy.

    I have to disagree. They are not be captured by “left thinking” they are being run into the ground with “not thinking”. Students and faculty are indoctrinated with an unquestionable SJW dogma. Attempting to intellectually examine any of these humanities/arts concepts is immediately sanctioned. Thinking is not permitted.

    While U.S. red states will push back against PhD crazy. I do not think any of them have the bandwidth to fully decolonization major state, public universities and repopulate them with serious professors. There are too many other things that are more urgent. The best they can do is zero fund truly absurd programs out of existence.

    The best hope is for some European institutions to step up with rigorous Liberal Arts degrees that recapture the traditional approaches that have been lost. There is a deep historical tie to classic works and ancient culture. This does not exist in America, a country that is only a few hundred years old.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: AaronB
  684. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    it’s “real emigration”, you know, it’s a kind of a flexible term
     
    Celebrities in Russia will emigrate less than you expect. There will not be emigration of such a cozy clique, only of some of the non systemic celebrities.

    The main celebrities are a group of jesters in a "royal court". They can say some things but they are part of a royal entourage. It's the courts' clowns, and clowns follow the court.

    This is also one of the reasons there are less celebrities than there should be. It's like Russia has the same number of celebrities, as countries with ten times less population. Because it is a cozy small court and there is only so few positions for them. It's as 18th century Versailles doesn't have many people, and the position of jesters in Versailles was limited.

    Of course, I do not wish to compare, as 18th century France (with its salons) was incredibly culturally fertile and creative society, while the cultural production in postsoviet Russia on the other hand..


    If one lives overseas for a month or so, not sure if that can be deemed “emigration”, “Philosopher’s ship”, some kind of parallel life?
     
    Yes, but most people from foothills upwards of elite in postsoviet space, usually has a parallel life in Europe, although those kind of Monaco social events (Bozhena blogged about in distant history) involving Russian defense industry's sponsorship (tank manufacturer's sponsorship) will be surely more restricted under European sanctions https://www.gazeta.ru/lifestyle/bozhena/4732945.shtml Probably they can host similar social events in only Caribbean or such tropical places nowadays.

    media infrastructure. Yes, Israel sounds interesting, I’m very curious about Israel now.

     

    Celebrities like Pugacheva with mansions in Israel, probably have the three-month tourist visa only. That's all she needs. If you just only need Israel for vacation, who needs more than tourist visa. Although non-residents have a very high sales tax to stop them apartment-flipping too much (wealthy American Jews avoid this sales tax by sending their children to sit in the apartments for a few months before they flip them in Israel).

    Israel though is not very useful from perspective of people who want not even citizenship, but an external passport. If you can prove Jewish roots, you can receive Israeli citizenship with internal passport. But to receive an external passport from Israel requires you to live there a year, which is not easy for people who don't actually want to live in Israel for a year.


    -

    For little anyone interested in Yandex, it wants to move 800 of its workers (this is quite large amount in the industry, as there are quite small skilled workforces) to Israel as a sanctions avoidance strategy. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/fearing-sanctions-russia-s-yandex-wants-to-relocate-workers-to-israel-1.10663566 I would expect Israel should reject this as it's exploiting the concept of a hi-tech visa program, for purposes it was not intended.


    mitigate things… if that could’ve been possible at all, maybe not.
     
    Of course, everything could and must have been peacefully resolved with Ukraine, even if Crimea should have been transferred (or purchased). It's like justifiable problems with Alsace-Lorraine ownership, does not remove personal responsibility from the decisions of people who started the Second World War.

    plus a newly built bunker.
    lives deep in the woods, with deer roaming around, very romantic.
     
    Arvo Pärt Centre has this aesthetics of trying to integrate with the forest. Or "hide" in the forest. Maybe someone can correct me, but it seems like very Scandinavian style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzS1YohywQ. I want to visit there just for a vacation, apparently Arvo Pärt is often working in that building.

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard

    only of some of the non systemic celebrities

    She was systemic. But I suppose she was too individualistic and may have needed a more comfortable environment. I remember watching her interview with Shulman, right on the night of the invasion, where Shulman straight up told her, it’s over for our comforts and we’ll have to adapt. I remember watching that and thinking “Oh my, how are these two fancy barishnyas going to handle this?”. The next day I read that Ksyusha had bailed.

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    Probably they can host similar social events in only Caribbean or such tropical places nowadays.

    I know what type of women usually frequent these Russian (or rather ethnically diverse, let’s put it that way) events — women who prioritize their appearance. They might want to be careful in places such as the Caribbean, it’s a different environment there than Europe (there are sex crimes). I don’t want to diss the Caribbean, but that’s what I’ve heard from women who went there (too much unwanted attention).

    Celebrities like Pugacheva

    She has a property in LV, too. Not sure if she will be able to visit now.

    Israel though is not very useful from perspective of people who want not even citizenship, but an external passport.

    It’s not the passport / visiting that I’m interested, I’m more interested in how they combine a secular lifestyle with high birth rates & female conscription. I’m very curious as to how this affects the relationship dynamics between men & women. Basically, how they pull it off. Granted, I’m aware that only something like 50-60% of the women serve, but still. The Baltic States need to become like a Northern Israel, so it would be interesting to learn about these internal dynamics.

    It’s also well known that the Israelis are willing and able to avenge every single Jewish person that is killed or hurt. Mossad will chase the transgressors around the world.

    We won’t be issuing tourist visas to Russian citizens in the foreseeable future, so unless you have some other kind of document besides a Russian passport, it might be a long time.

    Yandex, it wants to move 800 of its workers (this is quite large amount in the industry, as there are quite small skilled workforces) to Israel as a sanctions avoidance strategy.

    This is a tough question, since it would be unacceptable to evade the sanctions, but also very tempting to absorb Russian talent. Most of the Yandex hipsters are most likely anti-war anyway.

    Of course, everything could and must have been peacefully resolved with Ukraine, even if Crimea should have been transferred (or purchased)

    Not just Ukraine, all of us. But for Ukraine, it is interesting that this Sobchak’s interview shows how difficult it was to split up the heritage of the Soviet Union. Should the Ukrainians not have been given credit for helping build the Soviet military industry, including the Black Sea flotilla? Men from all republics contributed.

    Arvo Pärt Centre has this aesthetics of trying to integrate with the forest.

    We won’t be issuing tourist visas to Russian citizens in the foreseeable future, so unless you have some other kind of a document besides a Russian passport, it might be a long time.

    I like that concept and the scenery in this center (similar to my home town). One way to do this is to have a large window and the trees right next to it or a balcony where you can see the tops of pine trees. Might be nice to sit there and play cello. However, this particular place, as is so common with Estonian architecture, is way too minimalistic and plain for my taste. This is even more minimalistic than normal Nordic style, because that style at least features more white painted tree furniture and more interior items.

    Although this might be smart… if Russian marauders come, there will be nothing to take. Everything of value is in one’s head and in the atmosphere. Only some books or note paper to help burn the bodies.

    What I had in mind is a real detached country household, tucked in lush deciduous trees & bushes, with several buildings, a couple of gardens & a large storage space combined with a bunker. Although, to be frank, nobody’s going to bomb on the country side anyway, bunkers will be more useful in the city & the surrounding suburbs.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    be careful in places such as the Caribbean

     

    Russia's only tank manufacturer, was hosting summer parties for oligarchs and politicians in Monaco/Côte d'Azur . I'm sure they would be able to pay for security if they have to move their parties to Caribbean, after all they will have even a lot more funding from the budget to replace lost vehicles after a "special operation", than without it.

    Most of the Yandex hipsters are most likely anti-war anyway.

     

    Owner/founder of Yandex is Arkady Volozh. He is also an Israeli citizen and he lives in Israel for the last 5 years. According to Israeli media, he works like an ordinary hipster at "WeWork Sarona" in Tel Aviv, where people don't recognize him.

    Still, I wouldn't guess Yandex has pre-existing plan, before the "special operation", to move so many employees to Israel.

    It seems moving suddenly moving so many engineers to Israel, would just be sanctions avoiding. Its servers would still be in Russia. Although, I can't say I understand anything about sanctions avoiding so I could be wrong.

    It seems like Yandex has half a foot in Israel for a few years now. Their "data school" is based in Israel. It looks like a modest project, but probably with their best nerds. From their student meeting media, I can't see Volozh there, but CEO Elena Bunina there and teaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnFsVGMsQw.


    if Russian marauders come, there will be nothing to take. Everything of value is in one’s head and in the atmosphere. Only some books or note paper to help burn the bodies.
     
    Fortunately, I think all this dream of invading the Baltics, by Suwalki gap, became increasingly implausible in the last month. Even though its public expression, becomes more common.

    For example, Russian air force doesn't have targeting pod technology. It can only attack fixed targets. For ground support against moving targets, it has use of vulnerable helicopters and Su-25, with unguided weapons.

    On the other hand, Suwalki gap, would be defended with the Polish Air Force, which have sniper targeting pods for their recently installed F-16s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_Advanced_Targeting_Pod So, Poland would be able to destroy the moving ground forces, from the air, while the reverse would not be possible.

    There is something typical, where the government becomes very good in marketing, while the country loses its engineering (especially electronic engineering, more or less completely lost). Marketing can substitute for engineering, until you actually have to complete the task you promised, and then you need to actually do the real work.

    If your marketing is too good, the more gullible politicians are tricked by starting to believe it. But this is one of the feedback loops in Russia. And it was not only for Zhirinovsky who talks about invading Ukraine, but never talked about the fact air force does not even have targeting pods.


    owever, this particular place, as is so common with Estonian architecture, is way too minimalistic and plain

     

    It's more like his office, library and school. He lives in a normal, minimalist apartment in a historical area of Tallinn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ws6nJt-0c. He is a minimalist composer though and his apartment has empty walls.

    Replies: @LatW

  685. @Barbarossa
    @AaronB

    Good for you on getting some good milk. Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from? I'm on the same tack but we actually have the cow and do the milking here.

    Personally, my own is a Jersey who should be coming into her full cream now that the grass will come in. I suspect your milk will go up in cream content too. On spring and summer grass, I usually get a good 1/4 to 1/3 jar of thick spoon cream. It is indeed the best stuff!

    New York regulations do make it very tiresome to get raw milk, but as you mention there are workarounds. You can also purchase it directly from the farm location, and there is such a farm a few miles from me. Not to toot my own horn, but my own milk is better anyhow, coming from only one hand-milked animal.

    We've been drinking our raw milk for years and never had any issues with contamination or getting ill, so hopefully you will have an equally good experience.

    Once you are used to real milk, store bought milk tastes so...dead. There really is no other word for it. As you say, one can look at this from a spiritual vantage point. To choose to eat real things in a world obsessed with the artifice of things is a revolutionary act. Strawberries in season are incomparable, and I will often down 2 quarts just driving a couple flats home. I almost never eat store strawberries though since they are bloated and flavorless. It's rather sad to think of how many have never really tasted a strawberry or milk. It's almost as if one can spend one's whole life and never really experience anything at all, only the faint shadows of things.

    The only problem is that you have now cursed yourself with being unable to ever be content with "store" milk. Now you have to come upstate to pick some concord grapes this fall and make jelly so you can be forever ruined to that too!

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @LatW, @sudden death

    Ha, I was thinking of you when I wrote that comment – I figured you probably ate raw dairy also and had your own cows 🙂

    So the co-op I order from has the option to choose milk from a Guernsey cow, a Jersey cow, or mixed European cows (as they call it).

    I’ve heard good things about Guernsey cows so that’s what I opted for. Let me know please if there is a good reason to choose Jersey! I may do so anyways just to see the difference.

    Ok, so I’m now I’m super excited to taste the spring and summer grass milk and cream 🙂

    Yes, it is legal to also buy directly from the farm – as summer rolls round and I begin again making my Hudson Valley expeditions, I plan to visit some farms and buy raw dairy directly more.

    We’ve been drinking our raw milk for years and never had any issues with contamination or getting ill, so hopefully you will have an equally good experience

    I’m very glad to hear this. Yes, I’m not particularly worried.

    I was actually reading that the reason the US mandated pasteurization is that city dairies often had really unhygenic conditions leading to contaminated milk.

    But properly handled raw milk from clean farms it seems is largely as safe as pasteurized.

    The only problem is that you have now cursed yourself with being unable to ever be content with “store” milk. Now you have to come upstate to pick some concord grapes this fall and make jelly so you can be forever ruined to that too!

    Yes, I have belatedly come to realize this 🙂 I cannot go back to store bough milk anymore!

    Your description of it as “dead” tasting is spot on.

    I am already starting to research raw milk out West for when I go on my nature exploration trips – luckily, it seems farms selling raw dairy are not uncommon in the countryside out West, which is a relief!

    Unfortunately, as you correctly perceive the next step for me is to find more products to eat in their natural and pure forms, making my life even more complicated and difficult 🙂

    Concord grapes fresh from a farm upstate sounds divine!

    Oh well, a good life is not an easy life.

    To choose to eat real things in a world obsessed with the artifice of things is a revolutionary act

    Yes, I do believe so. It’s an incredible fact, but nevertheless true.

    It’s significant that the government actually tries to stop us from living naturally in the name of “safety”.

    What I have found on the spiritual path, is no step on that path is “innocuous” no matter how inoffensive it may seem to you.

    For instance, the pushback I got when I tried to simplify my life, dispense with luxury, and lose ambition – astonished me!

    Makes you realize there truly are spiritual “forces” at work beyond mere “rational” self interest.

    It’s rather sad to think of how many have never really tasted a strawberry or milk. It’s almost as if one can spend one’s whole life and never really experience anything at all, only the faint shadows of things.

    So true! And it really is sad and unfortunate that our society provides “shadow” experience of life as it’s standard, default offering, and one must actually strive mightily to live an authentic life and merely taste what is in fact our human birthright.

  686. @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mỹ_Lai_massacre

    The defendant list.

    Herbert Carter, David Mitchell, Varnado Simpson were all black.

    Kenneth Hodges, Michael Terry and Harry Stanley I’ll have to recheck.

    By the time the Massacre occurred the US Army was becoming fully integrated killing machine anyway. The sentimental attachments between the men was such that they claimed they were avenging the death of a popular Sargent who’d been killed earlier. I don’t recall if he was a black guy or not the captain and NCOs around the massacre were pretty damned vibrant.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ron Unz

    The defendant list…By the time the Massacre occurred the US Army was becoming fully integrated killing machine anyway.

    Thanks for the link and the list, but I really don’t see that the Wikipedia article supports your strong original claims.

    The main massacre was committed by Calley’s 1st Platoon, with 14 names being listed. Calley himself was white and those 14 men included 2 blacks and 1 Hispanic. When one of the latter was unwilling to follow Calley’s orders and continue the massacre, Calley grabbed the machine-gun and did it himself.

    Meanwhile, the Wiki page lists about 15 officers investigated for their roles in the massacre, of whom 1 was Hispanic and all the others were apparently white.

    Three other blacks from different platoons are listed as having been involved in additional killings, along with three other whites.

    So the skew was somewhat more heavily black than I’d imagined, but still overwhelmingly white, including Calley, the commanding officer.

    Wikipedia is hardly an unimpeachable source, but based upon this account I think it’s very unreasonable to portray the My Lai massacre as mostly due to non-whites.

    This easily explains why I’ve never your sorts of claims made by American Renaissance, VDare, or other racialist websites.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    The officers investigated were involved in coverup. 12 war crimes investigations, 6 prosecutions 1 conviction.


    15 other officers tried to sweep it all under the rug for a year. Convicting Medina and Mitchell would have been like the OJ trial. Indeed One of OJs lawyers defended Mideina. It was racial all the way diwn.

    The other thing to consider is who did the fragging in Vietnam. Officers really had to watch their backs with certain races.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  687. utu says:
    @Barbarossa
    @AaronB

    Good for you on getting some good milk. Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from? I'm on the same tack but we actually have the cow and do the milking here.

    Personally, my own is a Jersey who should be coming into her full cream now that the grass will come in. I suspect your milk will go up in cream content too. On spring and summer grass, I usually get a good 1/4 to 1/3 jar of thick spoon cream. It is indeed the best stuff!

    New York regulations do make it very tiresome to get raw milk, but as you mention there are workarounds. You can also purchase it directly from the farm location, and there is such a farm a few miles from me. Not to toot my own horn, but my own milk is better anyhow, coming from only one hand-milked animal.

    We've been drinking our raw milk for years and never had any issues with contamination or getting ill, so hopefully you will have an equally good experience.

    Once you are used to real milk, store bought milk tastes so...dead. There really is no other word for it. As you say, one can look at this from a spiritual vantage point. To choose to eat real things in a world obsessed with the artifice of things is a revolutionary act. Strawberries in season are incomparable, and I will often down 2 quarts just driving a couple flats home. I almost never eat store strawberries though since they are bloated and flavorless. It's rather sad to think of how many have never really tasted a strawberry or milk. It's almost as if one can spend one's whole life and never really experience anything at all, only the faint shadows of things.

    The only problem is that you have now cursed yourself with being unable to ever be content with "store" milk. Now you have to come upstate to pick some concord grapes this fall and make jelly so you can be forever ruined to that too!

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @LatW, @sudden death

    There is a good reason why milk is pasteurized. Tens of millions of lives mostly of children have been saved because of pasteurization since when it was introduced in 1920 or so. In countries where they had no pasteurization or where it was introduced much later it was common to boil milk before consumption. Nobody sane with an ounce of education would give a raw milk to children without boiling it first.

    Raw milk straight from the cow stinks with manure or at least have a hint of this smell. This also goes for butter and farmer cheese. Cheeses like brie after the processes of ‘fermentation’ and ripening have their own strong flavor so the hint of manure flavor is subdued.

    The raw milk fad is just as stupid as many other fads that yuppies and bobos came up with like that you need to spend at least $5,000 on accessories before you can sit on a bicycle. Obviously the unscrupulous milk farmers will support it because they make lots of money selling cheaper product than the pasteurized milk for much more. And the thrill of doing it against the Big Government gives those fools from Upper East or West side extra kick to feel righteous and brave.

    I am afraid you are using only the left side of your ass. Check with with AaronB who is an expert on speaking from the left side or the right side of ass or perhaps he haven’t read a book about ass yet. Perhaps the next Spring.

    I know what real strawberries, raspberries or cherries are and how white transparent apple taste but they were available only for 2-3 weeks in the season. Now we have strawberries or raspberry available every day during a year. Yes they usually do not tase as good but they are bailable for everybody, for people who otherwise would never know what a strawberry is.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @utu

    Utu, iirc your primary training is as some sort of mathematician, isn't it - my downgrading of left hemisphere thinking has touched a raw nerve, I see :) This is your second attack on me today.

    It is not true that traditional cultures all boiled their milk. In fact, they made a point of consuming raw dairy for it's health promoting qualities.

    Brie and Camambert are soft ripened cheeses aged for under 60 days, which the USDA says is insufficient to eliminate dangerous bacteria - so why didn't the French traditionally boil the milk before making those cheeses? Were French children dropping dead from Brie sandwiches?

    Most French and other Europeans today eat raw milk cheeses aged less than 60 days, which is as "dangerous" as raw milk.

    Traditional cultures are noteworthy for developing methods to render toxic foods safe through often astonishingly complex processes even without understanding any of the principles involved (soaking grains to breakdown phytic avoid, etc).

    Yet boiling milk was never "discovered" as necessary for safety despite it being a part of other recipes.

    Also, Barb has told you he's been eating raw dairy for a long time with no ill effects :)

    However, you are certainly correct that the filthy city dairies of the late 19th and early 20th century produced milk that needed to be boiled or pasteurized.

    Now utu, it was inevitable that some left hemisphere type like you would "attack back" at the glorious unfolding of right hemisphere ascendancy taking place on this blog before your very eyes, so I don't blame you.

    But your punishment for defying this divinely ordained development shall be to go drink some fresh raw milk :)

    And you will come to see God's justice, because despite yourself you will absolutely love how it tastes :)

    And for the first time in your life, you will smile and feel happiness, and no longer be the sour and dour curmudgeon we know and love.

    , @Barbarossa
    @utu


    Raw milk straight from the cow stinks with manure or at least have a hint of this smell.
     
    Sorry, but that is total nonsense. The only reason it will ever smell like manure is if there is if it is contaminated. So yes, in the rare event my cow puts her foot in the milking pail and gets crap in the milk, I dump it. Fresh milk smells very sweet. Any milk that smells like manure is just bad milk.

    I certainly don't need a lot of fancy doodads to milk, just a big stainless steel pot, nice hot water and soap, and my cow standing patiently (which she almost always does).

    You don't pasteurize human breast milk do you? Milk from a healthy teat, going into a clean pot is clean milk. In production scale dairies there are often a percentage of sick animals and mastitis as well as just careless and dirty handling. There is indeed shit in that milk, and it would be crazy to drink it raw. The details count and I can easily control my factors very well with my one animal. The proof is as they say, in the pudding, and mine is very delicious indeed!
  688. @Barbarossa
    @AaronB

    Good for you on getting some good milk. Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from? I'm on the same tack but we actually have the cow and do the milking here.

    Personally, my own is a Jersey who should be coming into her full cream now that the grass will come in. I suspect your milk will go up in cream content too. On spring and summer grass, I usually get a good 1/4 to 1/3 jar of thick spoon cream. It is indeed the best stuff!

    New York regulations do make it very tiresome to get raw milk, but as you mention there are workarounds. You can also purchase it directly from the farm location, and there is such a farm a few miles from me. Not to toot my own horn, but my own milk is better anyhow, coming from only one hand-milked animal.

    We've been drinking our raw milk for years and never had any issues with contamination or getting ill, so hopefully you will have an equally good experience.

    Once you are used to real milk, store bought milk tastes so...dead. There really is no other word for it. As you say, one can look at this from a spiritual vantage point. To choose to eat real things in a world obsessed with the artifice of things is a revolutionary act. Strawberries in season are incomparable, and I will often down 2 quarts just driving a couple flats home. I almost never eat store strawberries though since they are bloated and flavorless. It's rather sad to think of how many have never really tasted a strawberry or milk. It's almost as if one can spend one's whole life and never really experience anything at all, only the faint shadows of things.

    The only problem is that you have now cursed yourself with being unable to ever be content with "store" milk. Now you have to come upstate to pick some concord grapes this fall and make jelly so you can be forever ruined to that too!

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @LatW, @sudden death

    Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from?

    Btw, have you heard of the Danish Red cow? Are they kept in the US at all? It’s a very patient, productive breed.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @LatW

    I have not heard of the Danish Red. I know of Swiss Browns, and I just read that Swiss Brown stock was introduced into the Danish Red some decades ago, so I would expect that they are somewhat similar.

    The Jersey is a bit smaller, which is fine for my purposes. The cow I currently have is a really tolerant animal and is very easy to milk and deal with.

  689. @utu
    @Barbarossa

    There is a good reason why milk is pasteurized. Tens of millions of lives mostly of children have been saved because of pasteurization since when it was introduced in 1920 or so. In countries where they had no pasteurization or where it was introduced much later it was common to boil milk before consumption. Nobody sane with an ounce of education would give a raw milk to children without boiling it first.

    Raw milk straight from the cow stinks with manure or at least have a hint of this smell. This also goes for butter and farmer cheese. Cheeses like brie after the processes of 'fermentation' and ripening have their own strong flavor so the hint of manure flavor is subdued.

    The raw milk fad is just as stupid as many other fads that yuppies and bobos came up with like that you need to spend at least $5,000 on accessories before you can sit on a bicycle. Obviously the unscrupulous milk farmers will support it because they make lots of money selling cheaper product than the pasteurized milk for much more. And the thrill of doing it against the Big Government gives those fools from Upper East or West side extra kick to feel righteous and brave.

    I am afraid you are using only the left side of your ass. Check with with AaronB who is an expert on speaking from the left side or the right side of ass or perhaps he haven't read a book about ass yet. Perhaps the next Spring.



    I know what real strawberries, raspberries or cherries are and how white transparent apple taste but they were available only for 2-3 weeks in the season. Now we have strawberries or raspberry available every day during a year. Yes they usually do not tase as good but they are bailable for everybody, for people who otherwise would never know what a strawberry is.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa

    Utu, iirc your primary training is as some sort of mathematician, isn’t it – my downgrading of left hemisphere thinking has touched a raw nerve, I see 🙂 This is your second attack on me today.

    It is not true that traditional cultures all boiled their milk. In fact, they made a point of consuming raw dairy for it’s health promoting qualities.

    Brie and Camambert are soft ripened cheeses aged for under 60 days, which the USDA says is insufficient to eliminate dangerous bacteria – so why didn’t the French traditionally boil the milk before making those cheeses? Were French children dropping dead from Brie sandwiches?

    Most French and other Europeans today eat raw milk cheeses aged less than 60 days, which is as “dangerous” as raw milk.

    Traditional cultures are noteworthy for developing methods to render toxic foods safe through often astonishingly complex processes even without understanding any of the principles involved (soaking grains to breakdown phytic avoid, etc).

    Yet boiling milk was never “discovered” as necessary for safety despite it being a part of other recipes.

    Also, Barb has told you he’s been eating raw dairy for a long time with no ill effects 🙂

    However, you are certainly correct that the filthy city dairies of the late 19th and early 20th century produced milk that needed to be boiled or pasteurized.

    Now utu, it was inevitable that some left hemisphere type like you would “attack back” at the glorious unfolding of right hemisphere ascendancy taking place on this blog before your very eyes, so I don’t blame you.

    But your punishment for defying this divinely ordained development shall be to go drink some fresh raw milk 🙂

    And you will come to see God’s justice, because despite yourself you will absolutely love how it tastes 🙂

    And for the first time in your life, you will smile and feel happiness, and no longer be the sour and dour curmudgeon we know and love.

  690. @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    Yes. Go to the My Lai museum webpage. The Vietnamese clearly show the black perps in the diorama. The grizzly Captain over Calley (weak subaltern) was a Mexican looking Mexican and many of the NCOs were black or Hispanic...You can go through the service records of the platoon and cross reference names and photos and you won’t like what you see there. Calley was a zoo keeper nothing more.
     
    I'm afraid you've have to provide some links or solid evidence before I'll believe you. My impression was that a large majority of the platoon was white, and if it instead had mostly been non-white I can't see why racialist websites wouldn't have made a big deal about the history in the last couple of decades.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    Here’s why…

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?442602-1/1968-lai-massacre

    At 48:00 the speaker discusses Medina’s acquittal and also talk about David Mitchell. He fails to mention that the government doesn’t want to drag an Hispanic through the digrace, not does he want to say that Mitchell a principal target of prosecution is black. Torres as well. 12 suspect 6 prosecutions and 1 conviction. A useless 2LT. No NCO no Captain. Even though both were clearly feeling the massacre.

  691. Theater of sorts at the UN later today:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/553242-bucha-un-security-council/

    I’ve my understandable doubt about the Kiev regime claim made, while being open to as full a review as possible.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mikhail

    Gonzalo Lira thinks it was a raindrop not the arm moving, possibly an illusion in the wing mirror.

    The timeline certainly doesn't match up with the Russian professional forces perpetrating a random massacre, such a rare occurrence in the conduct of war. I still tend to see it as a fake, but it is possible the paramilitary Ukrainian forces did, given their track record, and they were the last ones there.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  692. utu says:

    “Yet boiling milk was never “discovered” as necessary for safety despite it being a part of other recipes.” – Because women were breast feeding for long time and raw milk was not given to infants. Because some diseases from raw milk like TB took long time to kill you. Because women had 10-12 children of which 30% died anyway before the age of 5. Because they did not know statistics and longitudinal studies with a control group.

    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks of diseases from raw milk contaminants is very high. Particularly for children. Tens of millions of lives were saved when milk pasteurization was introduced.

    When a city dwelling Jew discovers the benefits of eating raw milk or sleeping on hay in a barn and then begins to extoll it as the greatest thing since the sliced bread I can’t help but think of ignoramuses neophytes like Monsieur Jourdain’s amazement upon learning that he spoke prose all his life.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @utu


    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks of diseases from raw milk contaminants is very high. Particularly for children. Tens of millions of lives were saved when milk pasteurization was introduced.
     
    I agree with you that this was certainly the case in dirty overcrowded city dairies in the past century - but clean country farms that follow good practices raw milk is very safe. And that was the case for most of human history.

    I'm not blindly against pasteurization in all situations, and it probably did save lives during that time, and I certainly don't support the return of dirty city dairies.

    But if you can have access to raw milk from good country farms, it is a worthwhile experience on multiple levels - taste buds, health, and spirit.

    It is sad that this city dwelling Jew has to rediscover nature's simple pleasures and our birthright, and that many others do as well - but this is where we're at now as a civilization.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Dmitry
    @utu

    I didn't know about a raw milk fashion among the bourgeoisie, but it seems to be supported after Google search.

    I remember reading years ago, how oat milk was the most popular drink in Brooklyn. But nowadays, oat milk is in most supermarkets everywhere.

    Apparently, for English status signaling connoisseurs, not only raw milk, but in glass bottles, and from "land Robert Burns farmed in the 1700s". https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/sep/21/dairy-farmers-turn-back-clock-customers-take-fresh-look-at-milk

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

  693. I just released a new article about the origins of the Covid epidemic containing this passage that might be of interest to the Karlin community:

    Although the obvious facts regarding Covid’s origins that I have presented for the last two years in my articles and interviews have been totally ignored by our Western media, they may be widely recognized elsewhere. For decades, Sergey Glazyev has been a senior political and economic figure in Russia, even described in his Wikipedia page as a potential successor to President Vladimir Putin. In a business magazine interview published a few days ago, he casually referred to America’s Covid biowarfare attack against China as if the facts were well known to everyone in his circle:

    Trump’s attempts to limit China’s development through trade war methods have failed. At the same time, they boomeranged at the United States itself. Then the Americans opened a biological war front by launching the coronavirus in China, hoping that the Chinese leadership would not cope with this epidemic and chaos would arise in China. However, the epidemic has demonstrated the low efficiency of healthcare and has created chaos in the United States itself. The Chinese system of government has shown much greater efficiency here as well. In the Celestial Empire, the mortality rate is significantly lower, and the pandemic was dealt with much faster there.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/two-years-after-covid-american-eyes-remain-firmly-shut/

  694. @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    The defendant list...By the time the Massacre occurred the US Army was becoming fully integrated killing machine anyway.
     
    Thanks for the link and the list, but I really don't see that the Wikipedia article supports your strong original claims.

    The main massacre was committed by Calley's 1st Platoon, with 14 names being listed. Calley himself was white and those 14 men included 2 blacks and 1 Hispanic. When one of the latter was unwilling to follow Calley's orders and continue the massacre, Calley grabbed the machine-gun and did it himself.

    Meanwhile, the Wiki page lists about 15 officers investigated for their roles in the massacre, of whom 1 was Hispanic and all the others were apparently white.

    Three other blacks from different platoons are listed as having been involved in additional killings, along with three other whites.

    So the skew was somewhat more heavily black than I'd imagined, but still overwhelmingly white, including Calley, the commanding officer.

    Wikipedia is hardly an unimpeachable source, but based upon this account I think it's very unreasonable to portray the My Lai massacre as mostly due to non-whites.

    This easily explains why I've never your sorts of claims made by American Renaissance, VDare, or other racialist websites.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The officers investigated were involved in coverup. 12 war crimes investigations, 6 prosecutions 1 conviction.

    15 other officers tried to sweep it all under the rug for a year. Convicting Medina and Mitchell would have been like the OJ trial. Indeed One of OJs lawyers defended Mideina. It was racial all the way diwn.

    The other thing to consider is who did the fragging in Vietnam. Officers really had to watch their backs with certain races.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Wokechoke


    The other thing to consider is who did the fragging in Vietnam. Officers really had to watch their backs with certain races.
     
    Well, I'd always heard that most of the fragging in Vietnam was done by blacks.

    Having all those other very un-PC stories so widely circulating for decades was one reason I'd been so skeptical of your claims regarding the racial skew of the My Lai massacre, which I'd never previously encountered.
  695. While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks

    I enjoy drinking kefir, that has many and varied probiotic cultures (bacteria?) that sounds like what you’re describing above? It certainly helps with digestion in general. I discovered drinking this stuff years ago, looking for a natural remedy against more frequent heartburn that I was experiencing. I remember that my Ukrainian mother would often make what she called “sour milk” that she would make by using whole milk that was, I believe, not homogenized (perhaps homogenized, I’m not really sure), leaving it in a glass container out on a warm stove top and let it “ferment” for a few days before consuming it. Everybody that drank it had fewer stomach problems and seemed to get a good night’s sleep afterwards……she may have even purchased some dried out cultures in a little bag the she would add in?…

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mr. Hack

    Consider trying raw kefir :)

    I just saw raw kefir on the website of the place I get my milk and am including it in my next order.

    , @utu
    @Mr. Hack

    Non pasteurized milk left in open will lead to kefir or “sour milk” through perhaps in different places and countries it may slightly differ depending on preexisting bacteria cultures. From sour milk after removing water you will end up with a sweet farmer cheese which is the oldest cheese produced by humans before the method of using rennet became more common.

    , @JL
    @Mr. Hack

    If you're suffering from digestion problems like heartburn, it's better to eliminate whatever's causing the problems as opposed to adding something that will relieve them.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    We do kefir and yogurt as well and basically once you have a good starter culture you just keep adding in fresh milk as needed. Kefir is easier than yogurt though since it doesn't have to go through a temperature specific heating/ cooling process.

    You can use pasteurized or raw milk for kefir, but ultra-pasteurized milk is too denatured to work.
    Kefir et. al does work wonders on the gut flora.

    @AaronB
    Maybe you are on the road too much, but consider just getting some kefir grains and make it yourself with that fresh milk!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  696. @utu
    "Yet boiling milk was never “discovered” as necessary for safety despite it being a part of other recipes." - Because women were breast feeding for long time and raw milk was not given to infants. Because some diseases from raw milk like TB took long time to kill you. Because women had 10-12 children of which 30% died anyway before the age of 5. Because they did not know statistics and longitudinal studies with a control group.

    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one's immune system and reduce 'sterility of flora in ones gut' that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks of diseases from raw milk contaminants is very high. Particularly for children. Tens of millions of lives were saved when milk pasteurization was introduced.

    When a city dwelling Jew discovers the benefits of eating raw milk or sleeping on hay in a barn and then begins to extoll it as the greatest thing since the sliced bread I can't help but think of ignoramuses neophytes like Monsieur Jourdain's amazement upon learning that he spoke prose all his life.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Dmitry

    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks of diseases from raw milk contaminants is very high. Particularly for children. Tens of millions of lives were saved when milk pasteurization was introduced.

    I agree with you that this was certainly the case in dirty overcrowded city dairies in the past century – but clean country farms that follow good practices raw milk is very safe. And that was the case for most of human history.

    I’m not blindly against pasteurization in all situations, and it probably did save lives during that time, and I certainly don’t support the return of dirty city dairies.

    But if you can have access to raw milk from good country farms, it is a worthwhile experience on multiple levels – taste buds, health, and spirit.

    It is sad that this city dwelling Jew has to rediscover nature’s simple pleasures and our birthright, and that many others do as well – but this is where we’re at now as a civilization.

    • Replies: @utu
    @AaronB


    Volume 23, Number 6—June 2017
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/23/6/15-1603_article

    "Unpasteurized milk, consumed by only 3.2% of the population, and cheese, consumed by only 1.6% of the population, caused 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products. Unpasteurized dairy products thus cause 840 (95% CrI 611–1,158) times more illnesses and 45 (95% CrI 34–59) times more hospitalizations than pasteurized products. As consumption of unpasteurized dairy products grows, illnesses will increase steadily; a doubling in the consumption of unpasteurized milk or cheese could increase outbreak-related illnesses by 96%."
     
    One of common milk borne infection is caused by Campylobacter. I had a severe case of Campylobacter infection through not from milk. It led to Guillain-Barre syndrome (mortality 1 in 100) which is not infrequent in cases of Campylobacter (1 in 50) which then required hospitalization and plasma exchange (plasmapheresis) and several months of physical therapy to regain strength in legs and hands muscles.

    That nowadays milk is safer than 50 or 100 years ago is because cows are healthier. They usually do not carry TB and other bacteria because they are fed lots of antibiotics and sick cows are eliminated. But still there are contaminations from environment (manure) that spread during milking and the hygienic measure are never 100% effective.

    Also we have been vaccinated against diseases who were pretty common in the past which can make drinking milk less risky. If you want children to improve their immune system make them play in dirt and eat dirt not just drink milk. Children can play more safely in dirt w/o the risk of getting tetanus or polio now. Also having parasites like various intestinal worms in childhood might be good for your immune system. Certainly we have learned that too much sterility is not good for us that we must live in some symbiotic relations with worms and bacterias. But up the point. Thanks to antibiotics and ivermectin which both might be the most important medications ever discovered we can engage in more risky behaviors. Perhaps bringing raw milk might be one of them.

    It is possible that if Nazis had won we would be further ahead in the 'germs are good' medicine. Hitler's physician perhaps a quack made pills from a poop of some Bulgarian peasant for Hitler. Though it does not look that they worked.

    Raw milk does not do much for me. I had it many times and I did not like it. Smell and flavor with a hint of manure. There is a brand of French butter (used to be available in Wegman's) that had a strong hint of manure. I suspect they added it on purpose to make people believe that it came straight from a barn or the French like to eat shit. I prefer pasteurized and homogenized milk. Once I tried raw milk straight from the milking bucket and it still had the temperature of cow's body. It grossed me out.

    If you want to make some money get a jar of chicken shit and spread it on cheapest eggs you buy in a supermarket and then start selling them to hipsters and bobos on NYC. And you need a webpage with pictures of happy looking hens and handsome roosters.

    Replies: @Yahya, @JL, @AaronB

  697. @Mr. Hack

    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks
     
    I enjoy drinking kefir, that has many and varied probiotic cultures (bacteria?) that sounds like what you're describing above? It certainly helps with digestion in general. I discovered drinking this stuff years ago, looking for a natural remedy against more frequent heartburn that I was experiencing. I remember that my Ukrainian mother would often make what she called "sour milk" that she would make by using whole milk that was, I believe, not homogenized (perhaps homogenized, I'm not really sure), leaving it in a glass container out on a warm stove top and let it "ferment" for a few days before consuming it. Everybody that drank it had fewer stomach problems and seemed to get a good night's sleep afterwards......she may have even purchased some dried out cultures in a little bag the she would add in?...

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @JL, @Barbarossa

    Consider trying raw kefir 🙂

    I just saw raw kefir on the website of the place I get my milk and am including it in my next order.

  698. @iffen
    @Wizard of Oz

    You think history is some sort of objective phenomenon with its own rules and existence. It is us, and we make it what we want it to be when we are making "us". Things happen. The writing about "what" happened is not what occurred. History is what a particular person or people want it to be. It's not "real," except to those who believe it to be.

    Replies: @utu, @Wizard of Oz

    If you are going to be presumptuous and tell someone what he thinks you need to have the intellect and integrity which would resstrain you from ignoring the carefully chosen words of the writer, in this case

    History doesn’t have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Wizard of Oz

    ignoring the carefully chosen words of the writer, in this case


    History doesn’t have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.
     
    I didn't ignore it. I just think that your statement has little connection with reality. While it may be true that it doesn't "have to be," it is.

    Replies: @WIzard of Oz

  699. utu says:
    @Mr. Hack

    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks
     
    I enjoy drinking kefir, that has many and varied probiotic cultures (bacteria?) that sounds like what you're describing above? It certainly helps with digestion in general. I discovered drinking this stuff years ago, looking for a natural remedy against more frequent heartburn that I was experiencing. I remember that my Ukrainian mother would often make what she called "sour milk" that she would make by using whole milk that was, I believe, not homogenized (perhaps homogenized, I'm not really sure), leaving it in a glass container out on a warm stove top and let it "ferment" for a few days before consuming it. Everybody that drank it had fewer stomach problems and seemed to get a good night's sleep afterwards......she may have even purchased some dried out cultures in a little bag the she would add in?...

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @JL, @Barbarossa

    Non pasteurized milk left in open will lead to kefir or “sour milk” through perhaps in different places and countries it may slightly differ depending on preexisting bacteria cultures. From sour milk after removing water you will end up with a sweet farmer cheese which is the oldest cheese produced by humans before the method of using rennet became more common.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  700. @Mr. Hack

    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks
     
    I enjoy drinking kefir, that has many and varied probiotic cultures (bacteria?) that sounds like what you're describing above? It certainly helps with digestion in general. I discovered drinking this stuff years ago, looking for a natural remedy against more frequent heartburn that I was experiencing. I remember that my Ukrainian mother would often make what she called "sour milk" that she would make by using whole milk that was, I believe, not homogenized (perhaps homogenized, I'm not really sure), leaving it in a glass container out on a warm stove top and let it "ferment" for a few days before consuming it. Everybody that drank it had fewer stomach problems and seemed to get a good night's sleep afterwards......she may have even purchased some dried out cultures in a little bag the she would add in?...

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @JL, @Barbarossa

    If you’re suffering from digestion problems like heartburn, it’s better to eliminate whatever’s causing the problems as opposed to adding something that will relieve them.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @JL

    I agree with you 100%. In my case eating some high carbohydrate and sugar laden foods like unbromated and bleached breads, pastas, sweet baked goods were the main culprits. Eating more greens including cabbage and sauerkraut helped a lot. Drinking kefir helped a lot too. Basically, eating a healthier diet and cutting way down on the sweets helped the most.

    Avoiding watching the slaughters going on in Bucha, Irpin and Melitopol keeps my stomach from feeling queezy too. The wild animals from the north need to go back home and stay there.

  701. @Mikhail
    Theater of sorts at the UN later today:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/553242-bucha-un-security-council/

    I've my understandable doubt about the Kiev regime claim made, while being open to as full a review as possible.

    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1510800009679327236

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Gonzalo Lira thinks it was a raindrop not the arm moving, possibly an illusion in the wing mirror.

    The timeline certainly doesn’t match up with the Russian professional forces perpetrating a random massacre, such a rare occurrence in the conduct of war. I still tend to see it as a fake, but it is possible the paramilitary Ukrainian forces did, given their track record, and they were the last ones there.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @LondonBob


    Gonzalo Lira thinks it was a raindrop not the arm moving, possibly an illusion in the wing mirror.

    The timeline certainly doesn’t match up with the Russian professional forces perpetrating a random massacre, such a rare occurrence in the conduct of war. I still tend to see it as a fake, but it is possible the paramilitary Ukrainian forces did, given their track record, and they were the last ones there.
     

    It has been suggested that the victims could be collateral damage and/or folks deemed as pro-Russian. Let's see what if anything else develops.
  702. utu says:
    @AaronB
    @utu


    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks of diseases from raw milk contaminants is very high. Particularly for children. Tens of millions of lives were saved when milk pasteurization was introduced.
     
    I agree with you that this was certainly the case in dirty overcrowded city dairies in the past century - but clean country farms that follow good practices raw milk is very safe. And that was the case for most of human history.

    I'm not blindly against pasteurization in all situations, and it probably did save lives during that time, and I certainly don't support the return of dirty city dairies.

    But if you can have access to raw milk from good country farms, it is a worthwhile experience on multiple levels - taste buds, health, and spirit.

    It is sad that this city dwelling Jew has to rediscover nature's simple pleasures and our birthright, and that many others do as well - but this is where we're at now as a civilization.

    Replies: @utu

    Volume 23, Number 6—June 2017
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/23/6/15-1603_article

    “Unpasteurized milk, consumed by only 3.2% of the population, and cheese, consumed by only 1.6% of the population, caused 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products. Unpasteurized dairy products thus cause 840 (95% CrI 611–1,158) times more illnesses and 45 (95% CrI 34–59) times more hospitalizations than pasteurized products. As consumption of unpasteurized dairy products grows, illnesses will increase steadily; a doubling in the consumption of unpasteurized milk or cheese could increase outbreak-related illnesses by 96%.”

    One of common milk borne infection is caused by Campylobacter. I had a severe case of Campylobacter infection through not from milk. It led to Guillain-Barre syndrome (mortality 1 in 100) which is not infrequent in cases of Campylobacter (1 in 50) which then required hospitalization and plasma exchange (plasmapheresis) and several months of physical therapy to regain strength in legs and hands muscles.

    That nowadays milk is safer than 50 or 100 years ago is because cows are healthier. They usually do not carry TB and other bacteria because they are fed lots of antibiotics and sick cows are eliminated. But still there are contaminations from environment (manure) that spread during milking and the hygienic measure are never 100% effective.

    Also we have been vaccinated against diseases who were pretty common in the past which can make drinking milk less risky. If you want children to improve their immune system make them play in dirt and eat dirt not just drink milk. Children can play more safely in dirt w/o the risk of getting tetanus or polio now. Also having parasites like various intestinal worms in childhood might be good for your immune system. Certainly we have learned that too much sterility is not good for us that we must live in some symbiotic relations with worms and bacterias. But up the point. Thanks to antibiotics and ivermectin which both might be the most important medications ever discovered we can engage in more risky behaviors. Perhaps bringing raw milk might be one of them.

    It is possible that if Nazis had won we would be further ahead in the ‘germs are good’ medicine. Hitler’s physician perhaps a quack made pills from a poop of some Bulgarian peasant for Hitler. Though it does not look that they worked.

    Raw milk does not do much for me. I had it many times and I did not like it. Smell and flavor with a hint of manure. There is a brand of French butter (used to be available in Wegman’s) that had a strong hint of manure. I suspect they added it on purpose to make people believe that it came straight from a barn or the French like to eat shit. I prefer pasteurized and homogenized milk. Once I tried raw milk straight from the milking bucket and it still had the temperature of cow’s body. It grossed me out.

    If you want to make some money get a jar of chicken shit and spread it on cheapest eggs you buy in a supermarket and then start selling them to hipsters and bobos on NYC. And you need a webpage with pictures of happy looking hens and handsome roosters.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @utu

    Your link mentions that consumption of unpasteurized milk and cheese causes an estimated total of 761 illnesses and 22 hospitalizations per year in the USA (the true figure may be a bit more due to under-reporting of mild illnesses).


    In conclusion, outbreaks linked to the consumption of cow’s milk and cheese were estimated to cause on average 761 illnesses and 22 hospitalizations per year in the United States. Unpasteurized products are consumed by a small percentage of the US dairy consumers but cause 95% of illnesses; the risk for illness was found to be >800 times higher for consumers of unpasteurized milk or cheese than for consumers of pasteurized dairy products. Therefore, outbreak-related illnesses will increase steadily as unpasteurized dairy consumption grows, likely driven largely by salmonellosis and campylobacteriosis.
     
    That's several times more than unpasteurized milk, but in an absolute sense is miniscule (unpasteurized milk is consumed by 3.2% of Americans, and unpasteurized cheese by 1.6% of the population. The incidence of unpasteurized dairy-related illness is therefore less than 0.01%).
    , @JL
    @utu


    pills from a poop
     
    It's disgusting, but it does seem that fecal implant can be effectively used to treat a number of gastrointestinal problems like IBS. You have to be careful though, I read of one instance where a woman got one from her obese mother - her IBS was cured but she then proceeded to develop obesity.
    , @AaronB
    @utu

    These days, good practice is to avoid buying dairy or meat from animals pumped full of antibiotics.

    Antibiotics also can have serious negative effects on your health even if they might save your life in some situations.

    I'm sorry you got such a bad experience with Campylobacter - as I said, in certain conditions I would not be averse to pasteurization as a general policy, only it shouldn't be reflexive and unthinking.

    I appreciate the fact that you are taking a more reasonable position on raw milk and believe it can be safe and even beneficial under modern conditions :)

    That said, I think this narrative is broadly speaking and in general, propaganda, that human life was risky and short before modern medicines like antibiotics came to save the day.

    The picture is complicated, because the period before antibiotics were discovered covers a very long stretch of time, in which people lived in crowded, unhealthy cities that were indeed breeding grounds for pestilence, especially in later times.

    But under conditions that were natural and optimal, generally in the country, people living natural lives eating natural foods were significantly healthier and more robust, mentally and physically, than our rather sorry modern selves, and lived long lives.

    It's sort of like how Hollywood portrays medieval times in movies almost invariably - as ugly, gray, without color, refinement or beauty, as befitting this "primitive" time when we know from paintings and accounts that medieval clothing was a riot of festive color, and manners were elaborate, complex, and refined, and it is precisely modernity that ushered in drab clothing and vulgarity, and self-consciously destroyed the pageantry of life.

    But the truth cannot be portrayed, because it makes modern life seem boring.

    However risky life was in the pre modern age, the chronic illnesses of modernity, and the loss of vitality that accompanies modern living, has to be offset against the benefits of modern medicine.

    Of course, once you get one of the chronic diseases of modernity, you would be a fool not to avail yourself of the modern medicines. They go together.

    And you are certainly correct that we moderns need to expose ourselves to more dirt and risk in order to flourish.


    Raw milk does not do much for me. I had it many times and I did not like it. Smell and flavor with a hint of manure. There is a brand of French butter (used to be available in Wegman’s) that had a strong hint of manure. I suspect they added it on purpose to make people believe that it came straight from a barn or the French like to eat shit. I prefer pasteurized and homogenized milk. Once I tried raw milk straight from the milking bucket and it still had the temperature of cow’s body. It grossed me out.
     
    I suspect your aversion is ideological :)

    But who knows? You're allowed to have your own tastes. I do think the majority of people will find raw milk incredibly tasty.

    I have to say I was surprised it didn't have a more "funky" flavor, but tasted fresh and sweet.

    I love stinky cheeses like a ripe and evil smelling Alsatian Muenster, and the "barnyard" flavor of Tomme de Savoie - I love funkiness, so was expecting more of it in raw milk. But no.

    If you want to make some money get a jar of chicken shit and spread it on cheapest eggs you buy in a supermarket and then start selling them to hipsters and bobos on NYC. And you need a webpage with pictures of happy looking hens and handsome roosters.

     

    Now that you mention it, I am seeing "unwashed eggs" being sold - apparently they keep unrefrigerated much longer.

    Of course, I will be buying them :)
  703. @Barbarossa
    @AaronB

    Good for you on getting some good milk. Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from? I'm on the same tack but we actually have the cow and do the milking here.

    Personally, my own is a Jersey who should be coming into her full cream now that the grass will come in. I suspect your milk will go up in cream content too. On spring and summer grass, I usually get a good 1/4 to 1/3 jar of thick spoon cream. It is indeed the best stuff!

    New York regulations do make it very tiresome to get raw milk, but as you mention there are workarounds. You can also purchase it directly from the farm location, and there is such a farm a few miles from me. Not to toot my own horn, but my own milk is better anyhow, coming from only one hand-milked animal.

    We've been drinking our raw milk for years and never had any issues with contamination or getting ill, so hopefully you will have an equally good experience.

    Once you are used to real milk, store bought milk tastes so...dead. There really is no other word for it. As you say, one can look at this from a spiritual vantage point. To choose to eat real things in a world obsessed with the artifice of things is a revolutionary act. Strawberries in season are incomparable, and I will often down 2 quarts just driving a couple flats home. I almost never eat store strawberries though since they are bloated and flavorless. It's rather sad to think of how many have never really tasted a strawberry or milk. It's almost as if one can spend one's whole life and never really experience anything at all, only the faint shadows of things.

    The only problem is that you have now cursed yourself with being unable to ever be content with "store" milk. Now you have to come upstate to pick some concord grapes this fall and make jelly so you can be forever ruined to that too!

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @LatW, @sudden death

    What is the situation in USA with tick infestation? In my country the main issue with raw milk is tick related diseases, but it seems to be more common with goat milk use, which is way more rare than cow related production though.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @sudden death

    Ticks are a real menace around my area and have gotten far worse over the past 10 years or so, but the main risk seems to be Lyme disease. I'm not aware of any tick related stuff that would be transmitted through milk. What are the risks in your area?

    Replies: @sudden death

  704. @LondonBob
    @Mikhail

    Gonzalo Lira thinks it was a raindrop not the arm moving, possibly an illusion in the wing mirror.

    The timeline certainly doesn't match up with the Russian professional forces perpetrating a random massacre, such a rare occurrence in the conduct of war. I still tend to see it as a fake, but it is possible the paramilitary Ukrainian forces did, given their track record, and they were the last ones there.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Gonzalo Lira thinks it was a raindrop not the arm moving, possibly an illusion in the wing mirror.

    The timeline certainly doesn’t match up with the Russian professional forces perpetrating a random massacre, such a rare occurrence in the conduct of war. I still tend to see it as a fake, but it is possible the paramilitary Ukrainian forces did, given their track record, and they were the last ones there.

    It has been suggested that the victims could be collateral damage and/or folks deemed as pro-Russian. Let’s see what if anything else develops.

  705. @utu
    @AaronB


    Volume 23, Number 6—June 2017
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/23/6/15-1603_article

    "Unpasteurized milk, consumed by only 3.2% of the population, and cheese, consumed by only 1.6% of the population, caused 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products. Unpasteurized dairy products thus cause 840 (95% CrI 611–1,158) times more illnesses and 45 (95% CrI 34–59) times more hospitalizations than pasteurized products. As consumption of unpasteurized dairy products grows, illnesses will increase steadily; a doubling in the consumption of unpasteurized milk or cheese could increase outbreak-related illnesses by 96%."
     
    One of common milk borne infection is caused by Campylobacter. I had a severe case of Campylobacter infection through not from milk. It led to Guillain-Barre syndrome (mortality 1 in 100) which is not infrequent in cases of Campylobacter (1 in 50) which then required hospitalization and plasma exchange (plasmapheresis) and several months of physical therapy to regain strength in legs and hands muscles.

    That nowadays milk is safer than 50 or 100 years ago is because cows are healthier. They usually do not carry TB and other bacteria because they are fed lots of antibiotics and sick cows are eliminated. But still there are contaminations from environment (manure) that spread during milking and the hygienic measure are never 100% effective.

    Also we have been vaccinated against diseases who were pretty common in the past which can make drinking milk less risky. If you want children to improve their immune system make them play in dirt and eat dirt not just drink milk. Children can play more safely in dirt w/o the risk of getting tetanus or polio now. Also having parasites like various intestinal worms in childhood might be good for your immune system. Certainly we have learned that too much sterility is not good for us that we must live in some symbiotic relations with worms and bacterias. But up the point. Thanks to antibiotics and ivermectin which both might be the most important medications ever discovered we can engage in more risky behaviors. Perhaps bringing raw milk might be one of them.

    It is possible that if Nazis had won we would be further ahead in the 'germs are good' medicine. Hitler's physician perhaps a quack made pills from a poop of some Bulgarian peasant for Hitler. Though it does not look that they worked.

    Raw milk does not do much for me. I had it many times and I did not like it. Smell and flavor with a hint of manure. There is a brand of French butter (used to be available in Wegman's) that had a strong hint of manure. I suspect they added it on purpose to make people believe that it came straight from a barn or the French like to eat shit. I prefer pasteurized and homogenized milk. Once I tried raw milk straight from the milking bucket and it still had the temperature of cow's body. It grossed me out.

    If you want to make some money get a jar of chicken shit and spread it on cheapest eggs you buy in a supermarket and then start selling them to hipsters and bobos on NYC. And you need a webpage with pictures of happy looking hens and handsome roosters.

    Replies: @Yahya, @JL, @AaronB

    Your link mentions that consumption of unpasteurized milk and cheese causes an estimated total of 761 illnesses and 22 hospitalizations per year in the USA (the true figure may be a bit more due to under-reporting of mild illnesses).

    In conclusion, outbreaks linked to the consumption of cow’s milk and cheese were estimated to cause on average 761 illnesses and 22 hospitalizations per year in the United States. Unpasteurized products are consumed by a small percentage of the US dairy consumers but cause 95% of illnesses; the risk for illness was found to be >800 times higher for consumers of unpasteurized milk or cheese than for consumers of pasteurized dairy products. Therefore, outbreak-related illnesses will increase steadily as unpasteurized dairy consumption grows, likely driven largely by salmonellosis and campylobacteriosis.

    That’s several times more than unpasteurized milk, but in an absolute sense is miniscule (unpasteurized milk is consumed by 3.2% of Americans, and unpasteurized cheese by 1.6% of the population. The incidence of unpasteurized dairy-related illness is therefore less than 0.01%).

    • Agree: utu
  706. JL says:
    @utu
    @AaronB


    Volume 23, Number 6—June 2017
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/23/6/15-1603_article

    "Unpasteurized milk, consumed by only 3.2% of the population, and cheese, consumed by only 1.6% of the population, caused 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products. Unpasteurized dairy products thus cause 840 (95% CrI 611–1,158) times more illnesses and 45 (95% CrI 34–59) times more hospitalizations than pasteurized products. As consumption of unpasteurized dairy products grows, illnesses will increase steadily; a doubling in the consumption of unpasteurized milk or cheese could increase outbreak-related illnesses by 96%."
     
    One of common milk borne infection is caused by Campylobacter. I had a severe case of Campylobacter infection through not from milk. It led to Guillain-Barre syndrome (mortality 1 in 100) which is not infrequent in cases of Campylobacter (1 in 50) which then required hospitalization and plasma exchange (plasmapheresis) and several months of physical therapy to regain strength in legs and hands muscles.

    That nowadays milk is safer than 50 or 100 years ago is because cows are healthier. They usually do not carry TB and other bacteria because they are fed lots of antibiotics and sick cows are eliminated. But still there are contaminations from environment (manure) that spread during milking and the hygienic measure are never 100% effective.

    Also we have been vaccinated against diseases who were pretty common in the past which can make drinking milk less risky. If you want children to improve their immune system make them play in dirt and eat dirt not just drink milk. Children can play more safely in dirt w/o the risk of getting tetanus or polio now. Also having parasites like various intestinal worms in childhood might be good for your immune system. Certainly we have learned that too much sterility is not good for us that we must live in some symbiotic relations with worms and bacterias. But up the point. Thanks to antibiotics and ivermectin which both might be the most important medications ever discovered we can engage in more risky behaviors. Perhaps bringing raw milk might be one of them.

    It is possible that if Nazis had won we would be further ahead in the 'germs are good' medicine. Hitler's physician perhaps a quack made pills from a poop of some Bulgarian peasant for Hitler. Though it does not look that they worked.

    Raw milk does not do much for me. I had it many times and I did not like it. Smell and flavor with a hint of manure. There is a brand of French butter (used to be available in Wegman's) that had a strong hint of manure. I suspect they added it on purpose to make people believe that it came straight from a barn or the French like to eat shit. I prefer pasteurized and homogenized milk. Once I tried raw milk straight from the milking bucket and it still had the temperature of cow's body. It grossed me out.

    If you want to make some money get a jar of chicken shit and spread it on cheapest eggs you buy in a supermarket and then start selling them to hipsters and bobos on NYC. And you need a webpage with pictures of happy looking hens and handsome roosters.

    Replies: @Yahya, @JL, @AaronB

    pills from a poop

    It’s disgusting, but it does seem that fecal implant can be effectively used to treat a number of gastrointestinal problems like IBS. You have to be careful though, I read of one instance where a woman got one from her obese mother – her IBS was cured but she then proceeded to develop obesity.

  707. UA north is almost completely cleared from RF presence:

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @sudden death

    Probably Putin's objectives changed to actually consolidate Novorossiya, so retreating from where you don't need makes sense.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  708. @utu
    @AaronB


    Volume 23, Number 6—June 2017
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/23/6/15-1603_article

    "Unpasteurized milk, consumed by only 3.2% of the population, and cheese, consumed by only 1.6% of the population, caused 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products. Unpasteurized dairy products thus cause 840 (95% CrI 611–1,158) times more illnesses and 45 (95% CrI 34–59) times more hospitalizations than pasteurized products. As consumption of unpasteurized dairy products grows, illnesses will increase steadily; a doubling in the consumption of unpasteurized milk or cheese could increase outbreak-related illnesses by 96%."
     
    One of common milk borne infection is caused by Campylobacter. I had a severe case of Campylobacter infection through not from milk. It led to Guillain-Barre syndrome (mortality 1 in 100) which is not infrequent in cases of Campylobacter (1 in 50) which then required hospitalization and plasma exchange (plasmapheresis) and several months of physical therapy to regain strength in legs and hands muscles.

    That nowadays milk is safer than 50 or 100 years ago is because cows are healthier. They usually do not carry TB and other bacteria because they are fed lots of antibiotics and sick cows are eliminated. But still there are contaminations from environment (manure) that spread during milking and the hygienic measure are never 100% effective.

    Also we have been vaccinated against diseases who were pretty common in the past which can make drinking milk less risky. If you want children to improve their immune system make them play in dirt and eat dirt not just drink milk. Children can play more safely in dirt w/o the risk of getting tetanus or polio now. Also having parasites like various intestinal worms in childhood might be good for your immune system. Certainly we have learned that too much sterility is not good for us that we must live in some symbiotic relations with worms and bacterias. But up the point. Thanks to antibiotics and ivermectin which both might be the most important medications ever discovered we can engage in more risky behaviors. Perhaps bringing raw milk might be one of them.

    It is possible that if Nazis had won we would be further ahead in the 'germs are good' medicine. Hitler's physician perhaps a quack made pills from a poop of some Bulgarian peasant for Hitler. Though it does not look that they worked.

    Raw milk does not do much for me. I had it many times and I did not like it. Smell and flavor with a hint of manure. There is a brand of French butter (used to be available in Wegman's) that had a strong hint of manure. I suspect they added it on purpose to make people believe that it came straight from a barn or the French like to eat shit. I prefer pasteurized and homogenized milk. Once I tried raw milk straight from the milking bucket and it still had the temperature of cow's body. It grossed me out.

    If you want to make some money get a jar of chicken shit and spread it on cheapest eggs you buy in a supermarket and then start selling them to hipsters and bobos on NYC. And you need a webpage with pictures of happy looking hens and handsome roosters.

    Replies: @Yahya, @JL, @AaronB

    These days, good practice is to avoid buying dairy or meat from animals pumped full of antibiotics.

    Antibiotics also can have serious negative effects on your health even if they might save your life in some situations.

    I’m sorry you got such a bad experience with Campylobacter – as I said, in certain conditions I would not be averse to pasteurization as a general policy, only it shouldn’t be reflexive and unthinking.

    I appreciate the fact that you are taking a more reasonable position on raw milk and believe it can be safe and even beneficial under modern conditions 🙂

    That said, I think this narrative is broadly speaking and in general, propaganda, that human life was risky and short before modern medicines like antibiotics came to save the day.

    The picture is complicated, because the period before antibiotics were discovered covers a very long stretch of time, in which people lived in crowded, unhealthy cities that were indeed breeding grounds for pestilence, especially in later times.

    But under conditions that were natural and optimal, generally in the country, people living natural lives eating natural foods were significantly healthier and more robust, mentally and physically, than our rather sorry modern selves, and lived long lives.

    It’s sort of like how Hollywood portrays medieval times in movies almost invariably – as ugly, gray, without color, refinement or beauty, as befitting this “primitive” time when we know from paintings and accounts that medieval clothing was a riot of festive color, and manners were elaborate, complex, and refined, and it is precisely modernity that ushered in drab clothing and vulgarity, and self-consciously destroyed the pageantry of life.

    But the truth cannot be portrayed, because it makes modern life seem boring.

    However risky life was in the pre modern age, the chronic illnesses of modernity, and the loss of vitality that accompanies modern living, has to be offset against the benefits of modern medicine.

    Of course, once you get one of the chronic diseases of modernity, you would be a fool not to avail yourself of the modern medicines. They go together.

    And you are certainly correct that we moderns need to expose ourselves to more dirt and risk in order to flourish.

    Raw milk does not do much for me. I had it many times and I did not like it. Smell and flavor with a hint of manure. There is a brand of French butter (used to be available in Wegman’s) that had a strong hint of manure. I suspect they added it on purpose to make people believe that it came straight from a barn or the French like to eat shit. I prefer pasteurized and homogenized milk. Once I tried raw milk straight from the milking bucket and it still had the temperature of cow’s body. It grossed me out.

    I suspect your aversion is ideological 🙂

    But who knows? You’re allowed to have your own tastes. I do think the majority of people will find raw milk incredibly tasty.

    I have to say I was surprised it didn’t have a more “funky” flavor, but tasted fresh and sweet.

    I love stinky cheeses like a ripe and evil smelling Alsatian Muenster, and the “barnyard” flavor of Tomme de Savoie – I love funkiness, so was expecting more of it in raw milk. But no.

    If you want to make some money get a jar of chicken shit and spread it on cheapest eggs you buy in a supermarket and then start selling them to hipsters and bobos on NYC. And you need a webpage with pictures of happy looking hens and handsome roosters.

    Now that you mention it, I am seeing “unwashed eggs” being sold – apparently they keep unrefrigerated much longer.

    Of course, I will be buying them 🙂

  709. @Wizard of Oz
    @iffen

    If you are going to be presumptuous and tell someone what he thinks you need to have the intellect and integrity which would resstrain you from ignoring the carefully chosen words of the writer, in this case


    History doesn’t have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.

     

    Replies: @iffen

    ignoring the carefully chosen words of the writer, in this case

    History doesn’t have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.

    I didn’t ignore it. I just think that your statement has little connection with reality. While it may be true that it doesn’t “have to be,” it is.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
    @iffen

    You may find interest and merit in the book by someone described to me when I got to know him and persuadedhim to accept an honorary doctorate at a university where I had some influence as "the most intelligent socialist in Australia" - bt a decidedly non socialist intellectual.

    Here is a bit of Hugh Stretton's Wikipedia entry


    The Political Sciences (1969) challenged the growth of positivism and abstraction in political, social, and economic understanding. The book promoted a view of the social sciences as inherently values-based, moral, and practical in nature. It was widely influential locally and internationally. Nmmm
     
  710. US Treasuries being remorselessly sold.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @LondonBob

    "Russia is moving quickly to strategic success in Ukraine."

    ...

    I wasn't familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian? And although this isn't really relevant to his reliability, apparently he's a registered sex-offender as well. iirc Ronz Unz made statements to the effect he considered him a trustworthy commentator, which has me seriously questioning either Our Benevolent Overlord's motives or judgement at this point. But you'd think consider someone who got a junior paper reviewed by the great Ernst Badian would know how to be critical of his sources.
    And I'm speaking as someone far more on the Russian side than not, even if Putin squandered any moral high ground Russia previously had by starting this war, I can't even conceive the consquences of a vast nuclear-armed nation being faced with imploding a 2nd time in just 30 years. Even if things luckily just manage to fizzle out, I don't like to picture what a resurgently triumphalist US would get up to, especially its current mixture of geriatric and unhinged leadership.

    Meanwhile if you go to pro-Russian commentators actually in Ukraine like Yuri Podolyaka they lost patience and finally started excoriating poor Russian performance and blunders over the war's course.
    Even Solovyev is now asking repeatedly why the war (the word is now being openly used on official media) hasn't been officially declared yet, since so many military contractors recently resigned, and technically can't be held for desertion, as legally this is still a 'special operation'. At this point the only really brashly confident voices remaining are coming either for Russian media directed solely at foreigners, or dissident Anglo media, not exactly inspiring in me much confidence.

    I'd planned to do my best to shut off from all this and concentrate on priorities closer to home, but after week or so of stalemate, things seem to be moving far faster than I expected. But it's hard to take my eyes off this carcrash.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @LondonBob, @Mikhail

  711. @sudden death
    UA north is almost completely cleared from RF presence:

    https://i.redd.it/ah5if4i0ser81.png

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Probably Putin’s objectives changed to actually consolidate Novorossiya, so retreating from where you don’t need makes sense.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Yellowface Anon


    Probably Putin’s objectives changed to actually consolidate Novorossiya, so retreating from where you don’t need makes sense.
     
    I agree, but it's still hard to construe the complete abandonment of Kiev and the country's north as a serious setback. And we don't know if the forces from there will be able to be reused any time soon.

    At least I got read to see this charming discussion on unpasteurised milk. It has me think Unz really should try exporting his commenting software for interest-forums outside of this site, but I suppose that wouldn't really serve his purposes.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  712. • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Yellowface Anon

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-democratic-senate-candidate-us-versus-china-ad

    The speed of Dems pivoting to a Trumpist China-bashing stance is amazing (not to A123).

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  713. @LondonBob
    US Treasuries being remorselessly sold.

    https://twitter.com/JamesGRickards/status/1510652197486399492?s=20&t=NOTBUkkRO0N1a2vf8a7ZFQ

    Replies: @Yevardian

    “Russia is moving quickly to strategic success in Ukraine.”

    I wasn’t familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian? And although this isn’t really relevant to his reliability, apparently he’s a registered sex-offender as well. iirc Ronz Unz made statements to the effect he considered him a trustworthy commentator, which has me seriously questioning either Our Benevolent Overlord’s motives or judgement at this point. But you’d think consider someone who got a junior paper reviewed by the great Ernst Badian would know how to be critical of his sources.
    And I’m speaking as someone far more on the Russian side than not, even if Putin squandered any moral high ground Russia previously had by starting this war, I can’t even conceive the consquences of a vast nuclear-armed nation being faced with imploding a 2nd time in just 30 years. Even if things luckily just manage to fizzle out, I don’t like to picture what a resurgently triumphalist US would get up to, especially its current mixture of geriatric and unhinged leadership.

    Meanwhile if you go to pro-Russian commentators actually in Ukraine like Yuri Podolyaka they lost patience and finally started excoriating poor Russian performance and blunders over the war’s course.
    Even Solovyev is now asking repeatedly why the war (the word is now being openly used on official media) hasn’t been officially declared yet, since so many military contractors recently resigned, and technically can’t be held for desertion, as legally this is still a ‘special operation’. At this point the only really brashly confident voices remaining are coming either for Russian media directed solely at foreigners, or dissident Anglo media, not exactly inspiring in me much confidence.

    I’d planned to do my best to shut off from all this and concentrate on priorities closer to home, but after week or so of stalemate, things seem to be moving far faster than I expected. But it’s hard to take my eyes off this carcrash.

    • Agree: bombthe3gorgesdam
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Yevardian


    I wasn’t familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian?
     
    I hadn't heard much about Scott Ritter for many years, but back at the time of the Iraq War he'd been one of the most prominent opponents, claiming that Saddam probably didn't have WMDs and the widespread MSM claims were nonsense. Ritter had been the Chief UN Weapons Inspector in Iraq, so he had lots of credibility on the issue, and since he was 100% right about the WMDs, that further enhanced his credibility.

    I'd previously never associated him with Russia issues, but listening to several of his long interviews over the last week, he'd apparently specialized in Russia prior to the end of the Cold War, lived there as an American weapons inspector and later as a businessman. He also came across as very credible in all those interviews, though that's obviously a matter of personal opinion, though the Grayzone hosts certainly seemed impressed. If you want to form your own judgment, here's another hour long interview from a few days ago, in which he discusses his previous Russia-related activities:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpKmbjhuk0

    So my reasons for taking Ritter seriously are: (1) He was right in the past when 100% of the MSM was wrong; (2) he has a serious military background, unlike I assume the vast majority of MSM people spouting off about the war; (3) he makes plausible-sounding arguments and comes across as credible to me; (4) he's saying much the same thing as other credible people such as Mearsheimer, Ray McGovern, Douglas Macgregor, and Larry Johnson.

    Replies: @sudden death, @LondonBob

    , @LondonBob
    @Yevardian

    Watched a documentary on the Falklands War the other day, pretty much everything went wrong. Sounds like things are moving quicker in the Donbass now. People don't have the attention span anymore, war is a slow grind.

    Those white armbands of those dead on the streets and the dead bodies in the alleyway being surrounded by Russian distributed rations points further towards Ukrainian paramilitaries. Hadn't had the unpleasant experience of seeing the alleyway dead, I avoid such things, obviously not fake.

    , @Mikhail
    @Yevardian

    Latest Scott Ritter, who appears much more honest, informed and experienced than the preferred Western mass media talking heads:

    https://theduran.com/the-first-casualty-of-war-is-truth-live-w-scott-ritter/

    He makes a lot of sense, in line what I've hunched from a distance, in conjunction with some other sources closer to the situation.

  714. @Yellowface Anon
    @sudden death

    Probably Putin's objectives changed to actually consolidate Novorossiya, so retreating from where you don't need makes sense.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Probably Putin’s objectives changed to actually consolidate Novorossiya, so retreating from where you don’t need makes sense.

    I agree, but it’s still hard to construe the complete abandonment of Kiev and the country’s north as a serious setback. And we don’t know if the forces from there will be able to be reused any time soon.

    At least I got read to see this charming discussion on unpasteurised milk. It has me think Unz really should try exporting his commenting software for interest-forums outside of this site, but I suppose that wouldn’t really serve his purposes.

    • LOL: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yevardian


    but it’s still hard to construe the complete abandonment of Kiev and the country’s north as a serious setback.
     
    You've certainly made the correct interpretation here. It's just too bad that the Ukrainians don't have the much needed planes to make an even greater impact in securing the air space. This war would be over much sooner if this were the case. I don't actually know how many planes and pilots that they have, but they do still exist and are running successful sortees most every day. The "ghost rider of Kyiv" is still in action!

    https://theancestory.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Ukrainian-Ace-Pilot-Story-700x394.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  715. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    it’s “real emigration”, you know, it’s a kind of a flexible term
     
    Celebrities in Russia will emigrate less than you expect. There will not be emigration of such a cozy clique, only of some of the non systemic celebrities.

    The main celebrities are a group of jesters in a "royal court". They can say some things but they are part of a royal entourage. It's the courts' clowns, and clowns follow the court.

    This is also one of the reasons there are less celebrities than there should be. It's like Russia has the same number of celebrities, as countries with ten times less population. Because it is a cozy small court and there is only so few positions for them. It's as 18th century Versailles doesn't have many people, and the position of jesters in Versailles was limited.

    Of course, I do not wish to compare, as 18th century France (with its salons) was incredibly culturally fertile and creative society, while the cultural production in postsoviet Russia on the other hand..


    If one lives overseas for a month or so, not sure if that can be deemed “emigration”, “Philosopher’s ship”, some kind of parallel life?
     
    Yes, but most people from foothills upwards of elite in postsoviet space, usually has a parallel life in Europe, although those kind of Monaco social events (Bozhena blogged about in distant history) involving Russian defense industry's sponsorship (tank manufacturer's sponsorship) will be surely more restricted under European sanctions https://www.gazeta.ru/lifestyle/bozhena/4732945.shtml Probably they can host similar social events in only Caribbean or such tropical places nowadays.

    media infrastructure. Yes, Israel sounds interesting, I’m very curious about Israel now.

     

    Celebrities like Pugacheva with mansions in Israel, probably have the three-month tourist visa only. That's all she needs. If you just only need Israel for vacation, who needs more than tourist visa. Although non-residents have a very high sales tax to stop them apartment-flipping too much (wealthy American Jews avoid this sales tax by sending their children to sit in the apartments for a few months before they flip them in Israel).

    Israel though is not very useful from perspective of people who want not even citizenship, but an external passport. If you can prove Jewish roots, you can receive Israeli citizenship with internal passport. But to receive an external passport from Israel requires you to live there a year, which is not easy for people who don't actually want to live in Israel for a year.


    -

    For little anyone interested in Yandex, it wants to move 800 of its workers (this is quite large amount in the industry, as there are quite small skilled workforces) to Israel as a sanctions avoidance strategy. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/fearing-sanctions-russia-s-yandex-wants-to-relocate-workers-to-israel-1.10663566 I would expect Israel should reject this as it's exploiting the concept of a hi-tech visa program, for purposes it was not intended.


    mitigate things… if that could’ve been possible at all, maybe not.
     
    Of course, everything could and must have been peacefully resolved with Ukraine, even if Crimea should have been transferred (or purchased). It's like justifiable problems with Alsace-Lorraine ownership, does not remove personal responsibility from the decisions of people who started the Second World War.

    plus a newly built bunker.
    lives deep in the woods, with deer roaming around, very romantic.
     
    Arvo Pärt Centre has this aesthetics of trying to integrate with the forest. Or "hide" in the forest. Maybe someone can correct me, but it seems like very Scandinavian style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzS1YohywQ. I want to visit there just for a vacation, apparently Arvo Pärt is often working in that building.

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Maybe someone can correct me, but it seems like very Scandinavian style.

    IBM and ATT liked to put their tech think tanks out in the woods.

    The Army stashed Oppenheimer and them at Los Alamos to build the bomb. That was for security, not mystique, but corporate decision committees thought it was an intrinsically great idea that the workers never liked. It’s kind of like being on a company compound in Saudi Arabia where you are stuck with nobody but your co-workers 24/7.

  716. @Ron Unz
    @Dmitry


    Oliver Stone claims that war crimes in the Vietnam War were common. Stone says in one interview “many if not most units” have war crimes in Vietnam.
     
    Sure, I'd always vaguely assumed that there had been many, many small-scale massacres during the Vietnam War. In fact, that case with Sen. Bob Kerrey got lots of attention twenty-odd years ago.

    But I remain very skeptical about most of the soldiers in the particular My Lai massacre being non-white until I get some solid evidence for that claim.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The organized terror program was Operation Phoenix. Hit lists, death squads. CIA. White as the Declaration of Independence painting with Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams.

    My Lai was nothing in comparison to this. The fellows who will bomb a wedding or funeral because one guy on the terrorist most wanted list is invited come from this sector.

  717. @AaronB
    As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living, I have recently begun consuming raw milk and raw dairy items (unpasteurized).

    Annoyingly, our nanny state government makes the purchase of raw milk from stores illegal. This means that we sad Americans have long been denied the full glory of true Normandy Brie and Camambert cheese, which is properly made from raw milk for full deliciousness.

    But raw milk is supposed to contain lots of brobiotics and bacteria that hugely promote health. But of course New Yorkers are nothing if not resourceful, and through a complicated legal loophole one can easily obtain raw milk by joining a co-op that gives you "ownership" of the farms for a negligible fee.

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly. The milk is amazing! At 6.3% fat it's higher in fat than regular whole milk in America, which is 4%, and is sweeter and fresher than any milk I have tasted.

    The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore :)

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don't die soon, I will let you all know how it goes :)

    But mostly, I do not do this for health, but I am doing this primarily for spiritual reasons - by consuming highly processed and unnatural products, I am implicitly affirming a world view that I no longer wish to affirm.

    In Indian Buddhism and I believe Hindu culture in general, milk and dairy have a special status of excellence and nobility as foods - I beginning to see why!

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Colin Wright, @silviosilver

    In Indian Buddhism and I believe Hindu culture in general, milk and dairy have a special status of excellence and nobility as foods – I beginning to see why!

    Urine and mercury are in the adept program!

  718. @utu
    @Barbarossa

    There is a good reason why milk is pasteurized. Tens of millions of lives mostly of children have been saved because of pasteurization since when it was introduced in 1920 or so. In countries where they had no pasteurization or where it was introduced much later it was common to boil milk before consumption. Nobody sane with an ounce of education would give a raw milk to children without boiling it first.

    Raw milk straight from the cow stinks with manure or at least have a hint of this smell. This also goes for butter and farmer cheese. Cheeses like brie after the processes of 'fermentation' and ripening have their own strong flavor so the hint of manure flavor is subdued.

    The raw milk fad is just as stupid as many other fads that yuppies and bobos came up with like that you need to spend at least $5,000 on accessories before you can sit on a bicycle. Obviously the unscrupulous milk farmers will support it because they make lots of money selling cheaper product than the pasteurized milk for much more. And the thrill of doing it against the Big Government gives those fools from Upper East or West side extra kick to feel righteous and brave.

    I am afraid you are using only the left side of your ass. Check with with AaronB who is an expert on speaking from the left side or the right side of ass or perhaps he haven't read a book about ass yet. Perhaps the next Spring.



    I know what real strawberries, raspberries or cherries are and how white transparent apple taste but they were available only for 2-3 weeks in the season. Now we have strawberries or raspberry available every day during a year. Yes they usually do not tase as good but they are bailable for everybody, for people who otherwise would never know what a strawberry is.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa

    Raw milk straight from the cow stinks with manure or at least have a hint of this smell.

    Sorry, but that is total nonsense. The only reason it will ever smell like manure is if there is if it is contaminated. So yes, in the rare event my cow puts her foot in the milking pail and gets crap in the milk, I dump it. Fresh milk smells very sweet. Any milk that smells like manure is just bad milk.

    I certainly don’t need a lot of fancy doodads to milk, just a big stainless steel pot, nice hot water and soap, and my cow standing patiently (which she almost always does).

    You don’t pasteurize human breast milk do you? Milk from a healthy teat, going into a clean pot is clean milk. In production scale dairies there are often a percentage of sick animals and mastitis as well as just careless and dirty handling. There is indeed shit in that milk, and it would be crazy to drink it raw. The details count and I can easily control my factors very well with my one animal. The proof is as they say, in the pudding, and mine is very delicious indeed!

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  719. @utu
    @iffen

    "It’s not “real,” except to those who believe it to be." - And 95% of people over centuries end up believing it. In the evolutionary sense that whatever survives is the most fit and what is most fit is the best, history as bestowed on us is the best truth there is. Why would you want another truth that is not fit to survive? Why would you like to be shilling for Neanderthals? Why would you write a series of "American Pravda" articles unless you were some kind of madman with the delusion of grandeur believing that he could change "history"? Only the true intent of subversion explains it.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    Your comment is filled with half-truths. I still like to read you because with a little work I weed out the untruths and end up with something positive.
    You are probably right about evolution in action in the history of ideas, but what you call “subversion” is actually part of evolution: it’s called “mutations”, and you never can know when a successful mutation will appear. This is happening all the time with regards to ancient history; for example, just the other day there was a book about Caligula saying he was not the monster everyone thought he was.
    I really don’t know whether these things are more likely to happen after centuries have passed or just a few decades. There are two opposing factors at work: a longer time span means a greater chance of working without the passions and ideological fads that conditions historical discourse; on the other hand, it also means working without primary sources, and perhaps even secondary ones.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Brás Cubas

    working without the passions and ideological fads that conditions historical discourse;

    "History" is contaminated since it is written by humans. Understanding this gives one a certain perspective but does not decontaminate "history".

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Brás Cubas


    This is happening all the time with regards to ancient history; for example, just the other day there was a book about Caligula saying he was not the monster everyone thought he was.
     
    He doesn't come off that bad in Sutonius.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

  720. @JL
    @Mr. Hack

    If you're suffering from digestion problems like heartburn, it's better to eliminate whatever's causing the problems as opposed to adding something that will relieve them.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I agree with you 100%. In my case eating some high carbohydrate and sugar laden foods like unbromated and bleached breads, pastas, sweet baked goods were the main culprits. Eating more greens including cabbage and sauerkraut helped a lot. Drinking kefir helped a lot too. Basically, eating a healthier diet and cutting way down on the sweets helped the most.

    Avoiding watching the slaughters going on in Bucha, Irpin and Melitopol keeps my stomach from feeling queezy too. The wild animals from the north need to go back home and stay there.

  721. @Brás Cubas
    @utu

    Your comment is filled with half-truths. I still like to read you because with a little work I weed out the untruths and end up with something positive.
    You are probably right about evolution in action in the history of ideas, but what you call "subversion" is actually part of evolution: it's called "mutations", and you never can know when a successful mutation will appear. This is happening all the time with regards to ancient history; for example, just the other day there was a book about Caligula saying he was not the monster everyone thought he was.
    I really don't know whether these things are more likely to happen after centuries have passed or just a few decades. There are two opposing factors at work: a longer time span means a greater chance of working without the passions and ideological fads that conditions historical discourse; on the other hand, it also means working without primary sources, and perhaps even secondary ones.

    Replies: @iffen, @Emil Nikola Richard

    working without the passions and ideological fads that conditions historical discourse;

    “History” is contaminated since it is written by humans. Understanding this gives one a certain perspective but does not decontaminate “history”.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @iffen

    Recent events suffer a higher influence of political forces. As time passes, and the people who have an interest in the events die, or leave power, those influences wane. But I agree that there is a permanent factor of bias that does not go away, and is inherent to humans.

    Replies: @iffen

  722. @Yellowface Anon
    https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/gop-bill-would-force-disclosure-of-chinas-putin-collaboration

    Hard decoupling is coming!

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-democratic-senate-candidate-us-versus-china-ad

    The speed of Dems pivoting to a Trumpist China-bashing stance is amazing (not to A123).

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    Yeah, I noticed the beginnings of this even during Trump's presidency. In the beginning of the term, reliably neo-liberal outlets like NPR had derision for Trump's combative China views. By the end of his term they were pretty much parroting his position.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  723. @Yevardian
    @Yellowface Anon


    Probably Putin’s objectives changed to actually consolidate Novorossiya, so retreating from where you don’t need makes sense.
     
    I agree, but it's still hard to construe the complete abandonment of Kiev and the country's north as a serious setback. And we don't know if the forces from there will be able to be reused any time soon.

    At least I got read to see this charming discussion on unpasteurised milk. It has me think Unz really should try exporting his commenting software for interest-forums outside of this site, but I suppose that wouldn't really serve his purposes.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    but it’s still hard to construe the complete abandonment of Kiev and the country’s north as a serious setback.

    You’ve certainly made the correct interpretation here. It’s just too bad that the Ukrainians don’t have the much needed planes to make an even greater impact in securing the air space. This war would be over much sooner if this were the case. I don’t actually know how many planes and pilots that they have, but they do still exist and are running successful sortees most every day. The “ghost rider of Kyiv” is still in action!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Actually, I misread your statement. It should have been:


    but it's easy enough to to construe the complete abandonment of Kiev and the country’s north as a serious setback.
     

    Are you kidding to believe otherwise? No matter what lies Putler has given, the capture of Kyiv was at the top of his to do list in Ukraine. The capture of Kyiv was to take no more than three days, remember? His troops went right for the jugular, Ukraine's capital from the very start. He thought that by taking Kyiv and placing his own puppet in power there, the war would be soon over. To think otherwise is foolish.

  724. @Mr. Hack
    @Yevardian


    but it’s still hard to construe the complete abandonment of Kiev and the country’s north as a serious setback.
     
    You've certainly made the correct interpretation here. It's just too bad that the Ukrainians don't have the much needed planes to make an even greater impact in securing the air space. This war would be over much sooner if this were the case. I don't actually know how many planes and pilots that they have, but they do still exist and are running successful sortees most every day. The "ghost rider of Kyiv" is still in action!

    https://theancestory.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Ukrainian-Ace-Pilot-Story-700x394.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Actually, I misread your statement. It should have been:

    but it’s easy enough to to construe the complete abandonment of Kiev and the country’s north as a serious setback.

    Are you kidding to believe otherwise? No matter what lies Putler has given, the capture of Kyiv was at the top of his to do list in Ukraine. The capture of Kyiv was to take no more than three days, remember? His troops went right for the jugular, Ukraine’s capital from the very start. He thought that by taking Kyiv and placing his own puppet in power there, the war would be soon over. To think otherwise is foolish.

  725. @Yevardian
    Doubt this to be on anyone's radar or real interest, but it compelled me to comment here early so I could vent.

    Foreign minister Mirzoyan just made statements yesterday all-but-conceding that Armenia is giving up control of Artsakh and its people to the warm embrace of the Azeri post-Soviet Entity. I don't think it needs further elaboration that that conflict is essentially a canary in the coal-mine for the war's ultimate outcome.

    I held back earlier at my level of shock and dismay on Feb 24, I did not think Russia was at all ready for this confrontation, obviously a real war would not just be Ukraine, but the entire West, but I didn't want to be defeatist (I even wanted to make a Gerard-gesture of solidarity to Karlin but his naked power-worship, blithe unconcern for consequences and seethe in the comments was just too much).
    The war did not start well and only seems to be getting worse. American deep-state turned out to still be much more competent than I gave it credit for, Russia's much worse.. its obvious that this war was years if not decades in the making. Ideally Russia could have simply disbainfully ignored Ukraine like Czechia did Slovakia after independence, but of course constant and escalating provocations made that impossible. Russia might have got Ukraine to finally shut up and negotiate in good faith after Crimea chose to leave, but then Strelkov had to get official backing for his cowboy adventure in Donbass... Kremlins somehow managed to get worst of both worlds by keeping a endless low-intensity insurgency, they should have either annexed West of the Dniepr while Ukraine was paralysed, kept Crimea whilst washing their hands of Ukraine forever, or used it as a negotiating chip... I can only conclude at this point Putin really doesn't have any long-term strategy. Maybe if Yeltsin and his scum entourage didn't decide to destroy Primakov after realising he was too popular and competent for their own good, things would have turned out better.

    Ukraine is now destroyed, Russia's economy and international credibility is probably going to be similarly fucked, and it goes without saying relations between the two will be irreparable for at least decades to come.

    Fuck him, fuck Pashinyan for putting faith in the West, fuck Victoria Nuland for the Maidan coup, fuck Zelensky for his false installing false hope while deep-state armed the country for what must be millions, fuck Putin for being dumb and so malinformed enough to fall for such an obvious trap, fuck Karlin for cheerleading for this total fiasco (he openly states he'll abandon Russia instantly if it loses here, like a rat from a sinking ship), fuck everything. Not a very articulate or worthwhile comment I'm sorry, but atm I'm just overwhelmed with disgust and foreboding. I guess China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien I honestly can't really care.

    C'est pire qu'un crime, c'est une faute.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thulean Friend, @songbird, @Dmitry, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I guess China will do ok, but that place is ultimately so alien I honestly can’t really care.

    Feel free to stick your head in the sand. There’s even an idiom that perfectly describe hirsute idiots like you:

    The Conceited King of Yelang 夜郎自大

    In the Han Dynasty, there was a tiny country called Yelang on the southwestern border. Small though it was, its ruler was quite proud of his country, thinking it big and powerful. Once, a Han envoy visited Yelang. The ruler asked him: “Which is bigger, Han or Yelang?” His subjects obsequiously jumped to answer “Of course Yelang is bigger!”

    Later this idiom came to be used to refer to those who are capable of nothing yet are conceited.

    Let me teach you a history lesson– the Turks are in West Asia due to Chinese internal politics:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_the_Tang_military

    2018 was the “Year of Turkey” in China.[48] A song created by Xiao Zhang called “I want to take you to romantic Turkey” became one of the most popular songs in China.[49][50]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China-Turkey_relations#Cultural_relations

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  726. @sudden death
    @Barbarossa

    What is the situation in USA with tick infestation? In my country the main issue with raw milk is tick related diseases, but it seems to be more common with goat milk use, which is way more rare than cow related production though.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Ticks are a real menace around my area and have gotten far worse over the past 10 years or so, but the main risk seems to be Lyme disease. I’m not aware of any tick related stuff that would be transmitted through milk. What are the risks in your area?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Barbarossa


    In order to obtain information about the distribution of tick-borne encephalitis virus (TBEV) in Lithuania, sera of domestic animals were screened for TBEV antibodies by haemagglutination inhibition test. Samples were collected in 2001 from 423 cows, 561 goats and 118 sheep during a prophylactic examination or vaccination by a local veterinary specialist. In addition, a total of 3234 Ixodes ricinus ticks in 436 pools were collected and tested by RT-PCR for the presence of TBEV RNA (detailed analysis with genetic characterization is published separately [Han et al, J Med Virol 2005 (in press)]). Domestic animal sera from 8/18 districts were positive with an overall seropositivity of 1.7% with considerable regional differences. Sheep from the Radviliskis region had the highest seropositivity rate (16%). In comparison, the proportion of tick pools positive for TBEV-RNA was 1.38%, ranging from 1.03% in Panavezys, 3.33% in Siauliai to 16% in Radviliskis.
     
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16191893/

    Our neighbouring Poland has quite similar problem too:


    A total of 119 unpasteurized milk samples taken from 63 cows, 29 goats and 27 sheep bred on 8 farms situated on the territory of the Lublin province (eastern Poland), an area of risk of tick-borne encephalitis (TBE), were examined for the presence of RNA of tick-borne encephalitis virus (TBEV) by the nested RT-PCR method. Milk samples were also tested for the presence of anti-TBEV antibodies by ELISA test. By RT-PCR, the greatest prevalence of TBE virus was found in the milk of sheep (22.2%), followed by milk of goats (20.7%) and cows (11.1%). By ELISA, the greatest prevalence of anti- TBEV antibodies was found also in the milk of sheep (14.8%), followed by milk of cows (3.2%) and goats (0%). The results suggest a potential risk of infection with TBEV by drinking raw milk on endemic areas of TBE, and indicate a need for milk pasteurization before consumption.
     
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21186771/
  727. @Mr. Hack

    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one’s immune system and reduce ‘sterility of flora in ones gut’ that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks
     
    I enjoy drinking kefir, that has many and varied probiotic cultures (bacteria?) that sounds like what you're describing above? It certainly helps with digestion in general. I discovered drinking this stuff years ago, looking for a natural remedy against more frequent heartburn that I was experiencing. I remember that my Ukrainian mother would often make what she called "sour milk" that she would make by using whole milk that was, I believe, not homogenized (perhaps homogenized, I'm not really sure), leaving it in a glass container out on a warm stove top and let it "ferment" for a few days before consuming it. Everybody that drank it had fewer stomach problems and seemed to get a good night's sleep afterwards......she may have even purchased some dried out cultures in a little bag the she would add in?...

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @JL, @Barbarossa

    We do kefir and yogurt as well and basically once you have a good starter culture you just keep adding in fresh milk as needed. Kefir is easier than yogurt though since it doesn’t have to go through a temperature specific heating/ cooling process.

    You can use pasteurized or raw milk for kefir, but ultra-pasteurized milk is too denatured to work.
    Kefir et. al does work wonders on the gut flora.


    Maybe you are on the road too much, but consider just getting some kefir grains and make it yourself with that fresh milk!

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    Yes, you're right. I remember my mother just adding in some new milk after about a week of usage. No new cultures were needed, for she left a certain amount at the bottom of the jar and it just kept on going. A lot less expensive than buying something similar at the store. A quart of kefir costs somewhere between $4.00 - $8.00 for a quart or liter.

  728. @iffen
    @Brás Cubas

    working without the passions and ideological fads that conditions historical discourse;

    "History" is contaminated since it is written by humans. Understanding this gives one a certain perspective but does not decontaminate "history".

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    Recent events suffer a higher influence of political forces. As time passes, and the people who have an interest in the events die, or leave power, those influences wane. But I agree that there is a permanent factor of bias that does not go away, and is inherent to humans.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Brás Cubas

    As time passes, and the people who have an interest in the events die, or leave power, those influences wane.

    Yes. Also, as time passes, it becomes much easier for us to construct the desired history.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

  729. @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    The officers investigated were involved in coverup. 12 war crimes investigations, 6 prosecutions 1 conviction.


    15 other officers tried to sweep it all under the rug for a year. Convicting Medina and Mitchell would have been like the OJ trial. Indeed One of OJs lawyers defended Mideina. It was racial all the way diwn.

    The other thing to consider is who did the fragging in Vietnam. Officers really had to watch their backs with certain races.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    The other thing to consider is who did the fragging in Vietnam. Officers really had to watch their backs with certain races.

    Well, I’d always heard that most of the fragging in Vietnam was done by blacks.

    Having all those other very un-PC stories so widely circulating for decades was one reason I’d been so skeptical of your claims regarding the racial skew of the My Lai massacre, which I’d never previously encountered.

  730. @Brás Cubas
    @iffen

    Recent events suffer a higher influence of political forces. As time passes, and the people who have an interest in the events die, or leave power, those influences wane. But I agree that there is a permanent factor of bias that does not go away, and is inherent to humans.

    Replies: @iffen

    As time passes, and the people who have an interest in the events die, or leave power, those influences wane.

    Yes. Also, as time passes, it becomes much easier for us to construct the desired history.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @iffen

    I would agree for events less than a century or two old. Older than that, the historian will have little interest or pressure for lying. He will try to do the best he can to tell the truth.

  731. @Yevardian
    @LondonBob

    "Russia is moving quickly to strategic success in Ukraine."

    ...

    I wasn't familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian? And although this isn't really relevant to his reliability, apparently he's a registered sex-offender as well. iirc Ronz Unz made statements to the effect he considered him a trustworthy commentator, which has me seriously questioning either Our Benevolent Overlord's motives or judgement at this point. But you'd think consider someone who got a junior paper reviewed by the great Ernst Badian would know how to be critical of his sources.
    And I'm speaking as someone far more on the Russian side than not, even if Putin squandered any moral high ground Russia previously had by starting this war, I can't even conceive the consquences of a vast nuclear-armed nation being faced with imploding a 2nd time in just 30 years. Even if things luckily just manage to fizzle out, I don't like to picture what a resurgently triumphalist US would get up to, especially its current mixture of geriatric and unhinged leadership.

    Meanwhile if you go to pro-Russian commentators actually in Ukraine like Yuri Podolyaka they lost patience and finally started excoriating poor Russian performance and blunders over the war's course.
    Even Solovyev is now asking repeatedly why the war (the word is now being openly used on official media) hasn't been officially declared yet, since so many military contractors recently resigned, and technically can't be held for desertion, as legally this is still a 'special operation'. At this point the only really brashly confident voices remaining are coming either for Russian media directed solely at foreigners, or dissident Anglo media, not exactly inspiring in me much confidence.

    I'd planned to do my best to shut off from all this and concentrate on priorities closer to home, but after week or so of stalemate, things seem to be moving far faster than I expected. But it's hard to take my eyes off this carcrash.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @LondonBob, @Mikhail

    I wasn’t familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian?

    I hadn’t heard much about Scott Ritter for many years, but back at the time of the Iraq War he’d been one of the most prominent opponents, claiming that Saddam probably didn’t have WMDs and the widespread MSM claims were nonsense. Ritter had been the Chief UN Weapons Inspector in Iraq, so he had lots of credibility on the issue, and since he was 100% right about the WMDs, that further enhanced his credibility.

    I’d previously never associated him with Russia issues, but listening to several of his long interviews over the last week, he’d apparently specialized in Russia prior to the end of the Cold War, lived there as an American weapons inspector and later as a businessman. He also came across as very credible in all those interviews, though that’s obviously a matter of personal opinion, though the Grayzone hosts certainly seemed impressed. If you want to form your own judgment, here’s another hour long interview from a few days ago, in which he discusses his previous Russia-related activities:

    Video Link

    So my reasons for taking Ritter seriously are: (1) He was right in the past when 100% of the MSM was wrong; (2) he has a serious military background, unlike I assume the vast majority of MSM people spouting off about the war; (3) he makes plausible-sounding arguments and comes across as credible to me; (4) he’s saying much the same thing as other credible people such as Mearsheimer, Ray McGovern, Douglas Macgregor, and Larry Johnson.

    • Agree: Antiwar7
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ron Unz


    ...taking Ritter seriously... he makes plausible-sounding arguments
     
    He claimed that RF has been attacking UA with 200k forces against 600k UA troops from the start, but this UA troop onset number is such absurd that it makes clear he is either clueless outside his narrow field of military expertise (WMD) or just paid propagandist with deliberate pro-RF bias.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Beckow

    , @LondonBob
    @Ron Unz

    I posted the Alex Thomson interview as Thomson worked for GCHQ on Russia, knew Christopher Steele, so it is more on the spying angle, plus a lot of interesting history regarding that.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  732. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @utu

    LOL. Lt. Calley looks like you, huh?

    Utu, you are so funny, when you are not trying to cause WW3, or forever lockdown anyone under the Boomer cohorts, so that people stop reproducing.

    Perhaps, as someone who believes in HBD on UNZ, you would like me to write out a formal card for you to present to ugly women and trannies, so that you may establish your credentials as a true blank-slatist, without needing to make the full commitments of one? Just screenshot this:

    I, songbird, attest that the presenter, utu, a blankslatist of long history, has classified me, a moderate believer in HBD, as "subhuman trash." Therefore, it is not necessary for him to prove his bona fides, with you, in the way that you have proposed.
     

    Replies: @German_reader

    I wonder why utu even keeps commenting here. It sort of made sense a few years ago when he was mostly obsessed with Jews (he wasn’t that anti-Russia back then iirc, he once made that notorious comment where he expressed hope that Russia would nuke Israel), but today it’s difficult to discern the reasons, since he seems to despise most regular commenters. Maybe he just likes insulting us.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    I enjoy his comments. Granted, he has seems to hold some especial animosity towards you, but don't forget, that's only because he cares about you sir. Doesn't that make you feel special?

    utu is love, utu is life

  733. @Barbarossa
    @sudden death

    Ticks are a real menace around my area and have gotten far worse over the past 10 years or so, but the main risk seems to be Lyme disease. I'm not aware of any tick related stuff that would be transmitted through milk. What are the risks in your area?

    Replies: @sudden death

    In order to obtain information about the distribution of tick-borne encephalitis virus (TBEV) in Lithuania, sera of domestic animals were screened for TBEV antibodies by haemagglutination inhibition test. Samples were collected in 2001 from 423 cows, 561 goats and 118 sheep during a prophylactic examination or vaccination by a local veterinary specialist. In addition, a total of 3234 Ixodes ricinus ticks in 436 pools were collected and tested by RT-PCR for the presence of TBEV RNA (detailed analysis with genetic characterization is published separately [Han et al, J Med Virol 2005 (in press)]). Domestic animal sera from 8/18 districts were positive with an overall seropositivity of 1.7% with considerable regional differences. Sheep from the Radviliskis region had the highest seropositivity rate (16%). In comparison, the proportion of tick pools positive for TBEV-RNA was 1.38%, ranging from 1.03% in Panavezys, 3.33% in Siauliai to 16% in Radviliskis.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16191893/

    Our neighbouring Poland has quite similar problem too:

    A total of 119 unpasteurized milk samples taken from 63 cows, 29 goats and 27 sheep bred on 8 farms situated on the territory of the Lublin province (eastern Poland), an area of risk of tick-borne encephalitis (TBE), were examined for the presence of RNA of tick-borne encephalitis virus (TBEV) by the nested RT-PCR method. Milk samples were also tested for the presence of anti-TBEV antibodies by ELISA test. By RT-PCR, the greatest prevalence of TBE virus was found in the milk of sheep (22.2%), followed by milk of goats (20.7%) and cows (11.1%). By ELISA, the greatest prevalence of anti- TBEV antibodies was found also in the milk of sheep (14.8%), followed by milk of cows (3.2%) and goats (0%). The results suggest a potential risk of infection with TBEV by drinking raw milk on endemic areas of TBE, and indicate a need for milk pasteurization before consumption.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21186771/

  734. @Ron Unz
    @Yevardian


    I wasn’t familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian?
     
    I hadn't heard much about Scott Ritter for many years, but back at the time of the Iraq War he'd been one of the most prominent opponents, claiming that Saddam probably didn't have WMDs and the widespread MSM claims were nonsense. Ritter had been the Chief UN Weapons Inspector in Iraq, so he had lots of credibility on the issue, and since he was 100% right about the WMDs, that further enhanced his credibility.

    I'd previously never associated him with Russia issues, but listening to several of his long interviews over the last week, he'd apparently specialized in Russia prior to the end of the Cold War, lived there as an American weapons inspector and later as a businessman. He also came across as very credible in all those interviews, though that's obviously a matter of personal opinion, though the Grayzone hosts certainly seemed impressed. If you want to form your own judgment, here's another hour long interview from a few days ago, in which he discusses his previous Russia-related activities:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpKmbjhuk0

    So my reasons for taking Ritter seriously are: (1) He was right in the past when 100% of the MSM was wrong; (2) he has a serious military background, unlike I assume the vast majority of MSM people spouting off about the war; (3) he makes plausible-sounding arguments and comes across as credible to me; (4) he's saying much the same thing as other credible people such as Mearsheimer, Ray McGovern, Douglas Macgregor, and Larry Johnson.

    Replies: @sudden death, @LondonBob

    …taking Ritter seriously… he makes plausible-sounding arguments

    He claimed that RF has been attacking UA with 200k forces against 600k UA troops from the start, but this UA troop onset number is such absurd that it makes clear he is either clueless outside his narrow field of military expertise (WMD) or just paid propagandist with deliberate pro-RF bias.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @sudden death


    He claimed that RF has been attacking UA with 200k forces against 600k UA troops from the start, but this UA troop onset number is such absurd
     
    He said his figures includes reserves, and here's what I found on the Wiki page for the Ukrainian military:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine

    204K soldiers
    53K border guards
    60K National Guard
    220K Reserves

    for a grand total of 537,000. Since Ritter was obviously just speaking loosely, I don't regard his figures as "absurd" or proof that he's a "paid propagandist".

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Beckow
    @sudden death

    If you apply hard enough standard to any statement you can find reasons to dismiss it. Numbers are both precise and squishy: it depends on how you define them. Commenters like AP specialize in the autistic-like focus on cherry-picked details so they can claim not to see the obvious. In most rational situations we dismiss that technique as irrelevant.

    I watched Ritter, he is reasonable and should be heard. There is a high probability that what he says will happen - other less public military people say similar stuff. The questions like "how many and how long it took" are only relevant in the present. At the end what matters are results - that's basically what Ritter says.

    If you want to go on the limb and claim an eventual Kiev victory, do it directly. But hiding behind "it's isn't 200k, it is 120k!!!!" is escapism. How many people today obsess about calendar and precise composition of the French Napoleon invasion of Russia? But they know it was a defeat.

    Replies: @sudden death

  735. @sudden death
    @Ron Unz


    ...taking Ritter seriously... he makes plausible-sounding arguments
     
    He claimed that RF has been attacking UA with 200k forces against 600k UA troops from the start, but this UA troop onset number is such absurd that it makes clear he is either clueless outside his narrow field of military expertise (WMD) or just paid propagandist with deliberate pro-RF bias.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Beckow

    He claimed that RF has been attacking UA with 200k forces against 600k UA troops from the start, but this UA troop onset number is such absurd

    He said his figures includes reserves, and here’s what I found on the Wiki page for the Ukrainian military:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine

    204K soldiers
    53K border guards
    60K National Guard
    220K Reserves

    for a grand total of 537,000. Since Ritter was obviously just speaking loosely, I don’t regard his figures as “absurd” or proof that he’s a “paid propagandist”.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ron Unz

    Good trick though for some reason - expert gives UA side numbers with all possible potential "reserves", while for offensive side gives the number involved directly in attack on fronts, without all those possible reserves of such type, which potentially exceed several millions in RF against 600k from UA.

    Replies: @Anne Lid

  736. @Yevardian
    @LondonBob

    "Russia is moving quickly to strategic success in Ukraine."

    ...

    I wasn't familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian? And although this isn't really relevant to his reliability, apparently he's a registered sex-offender as well. iirc Ronz Unz made statements to the effect he considered him a trustworthy commentator, which has me seriously questioning either Our Benevolent Overlord's motives or judgement at this point. But you'd think consider someone who got a junior paper reviewed by the great Ernst Badian would know how to be critical of his sources.
    And I'm speaking as someone far more on the Russian side than not, even if Putin squandered any moral high ground Russia previously had by starting this war, I can't even conceive the consquences of a vast nuclear-armed nation being faced with imploding a 2nd time in just 30 years. Even if things luckily just manage to fizzle out, I don't like to picture what a resurgently triumphalist US would get up to, especially its current mixture of geriatric and unhinged leadership.

    Meanwhile if you go to pro-Russian commentators actually in Ukraine like Yuri Podolyaka they lost patience and finally started excoriating poor Russian performance and blunders over the war's course.
    Even Solovyev is now asking repeatedly why the war (the word is now being openly used on official media) hasn't been officially declared yet, since so many military contractors recently resigned, and technically can't be held for desertion, as legally this is still a 'special operation'. At this point the only really brashly confident voices remaining are coming either for Russian media directed solely at foreigners, or dissident Anglo media, not exactly inspiring in me much confidence.

    I'd planned to do my best to shut off from all this and concentrate on priorities closer to home, but after week or so of stalemate, things seem to be moving far faster than I expected. But it's hard to take my eyes off this carcrash.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @LondonBob, @Mikhail

    Watched a documentary on the Falklands War the other day, pretty much everything went wrong. Sounds like things are moving quicker in the Donbass now. People don’t have the attention span anymore, war is a slow grind.

    Those white armbands of those dead on the streets and the dead bodies in the alleyway being surrounded by Russian distributed rations points further towards Ukrainian paramilitaries. Hadn’t had the unpleasant experience of seeing the alleyway dead, I avoid such things, obviously not fake.

  737. @sudden death
    @Ron Unz


    ...taking Ritter seriously... he makes plausible-sounding arguments
     
    He claimed that RF has been attacking UA with 200k forces against 600k UA troops from the start, but this UA troop onset number is such absurd that it makes clear he is either clueless outside his narrow field of military expertise (WMD) or just paid propagandist with deliberate pro-RF bias.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Beckow

    If you apply hard enough standard to any statement you can find reasons to dismiss it. Numbers are both precise and squishy: it depends on how you define them. Commenters like AP specialize in the autistic-like focus on cherry-picked details so they can claim not to see the obvious. In most rational situations we dismiss that technique as irrelevant.

    I watched Ritter, he is reasonable and should be heard. There is a high probability that what he says will happen – other less public military people say similar stuff. The questions like “how many and how long it took” are only relevant in the present. At the end what matters are results – that’s basically what Ritter says.

    If you want to go on the limb and claim an eventual Kiev victory, do it directly. But hiding behind “it’s isn’t 200k, it is 120k!!!!” is escapism. How many people today obsess about calendar and precise composition of the French Napoleon invasion of Russia? But they know it was a defeat.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Very nice to hear from you about Putler and his invasion as a spiritual and military succesor of Napoleon 1812 march ;)

    My position is known and did not change - most likely looking as variation/reboot of Finland 1939/44.

  738. @LatW
    @Beckow

    Beckow,

    Please kindly do not respond to my posts going forward. Last time we spoke, you made a couple of blatant lies about my country. That kind of takes all the fun out of.

    Overall, I enjoyed conversing with you. Bye.

    Replies: @Beckow

    I don’t recall, but we can ignore each other. I am glad you discovered your feminine side…

  739. @Ron Unz
    @sudden death


    He claimed that RF has been attacking UA with 200k forces against 600k UA troops from the start, but this UA troop onset number is such absurd
     
    He said his figures includes reserves, and here's what I found on the Wiki page for the Ukrainian military:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine

    204K soldiers
    53K border guards
    60K National Guard
    220K Reserves

    for a grand total of 537,000. Since Ritter was obviously just speaking loosely, I don't regard his figures as "absurd" or proof that he's a "paid propagandist".

    Replies: @sudden death

    Good trick though for some reason – expert gives UA side numbers with all possible potential “reserves”, while for offensive side gives the number involved directly in attack on fronts, without all those possible reserves of such type, which potentially exceed several millions in RF against 600k from UA.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
    @sudden death

    Why would Ritter include reservist Russians? They were not sent to Ukraine. The reservist Ukrainians of course were there already, hence included in the count. There is no trick.

  740. @Brás Cubas
    @utu

    Your comment is filled with half-truths. I still like to read you because with a little work I weed out the untruths and end up with something positive.
    You are probably right about evolution in action in the history of ideas, but what you call "subversion" is actually part of evolution: it's called "mutations", and you never can know when a successful mutation will appear. This is happening all the time with regards to ancient history; for example, just the other day there was a book about Caligula saying he was not the monster everyone thought he was.
    I really don't know whether these things are more likely to happen after centuries have passed or just a few decades. There are two opposing factors at work: a longer time span means a greater chance of working without the passions and ideological fads that conditions historical discourse; on the other hand, it also means working without primary sources, and perhaps even secondary ones.

    Replies: @iffen, @Emil Nikola Richard

    This is happening all the time with regards to ancient history; for example, just the other day there was a book about Caligula saying he was not the monster everyone thought he was.

    He doesn’t come off that bad in Sutonius.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't remember. I had a quick glance at Wikipedia and it seems you are right. Anyway, I was just using him as an example. My knowledge of history is very poor.

  741. @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Soviets primarily.
     
    I shouldn't have said "created", as that word relates too much to the starting point of a chronology.

    What I meant to refer to was the Chinese army crossing the Yalu. How NK wouldn't exist without that.

    The Soviet contribution, while not to be scorned, is primarily the same process as happened in Eastern Europe. I.e., the Soviet army was already traveling through those areas, as a consequence of the war, and thus it was easy for them to set up puppet regimes. Not to mention that the US contributed hugely to their logistics.

    But the Chinese went toe-toe with America, and won concessions, which was unique. A meat-grinder for them. Steamroller tactics with disproportionate casualties might not be replicable today. (Probably one reason the Soviets did not try it themselves, as they had lost too many men already) But I'm not predicting direct conflict, or close parallels. What really counts is assertiveness, and power potentialities.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I haven’t see Lake Changjin, did they make seem that it was ROK/US aggression? If so that’s old propaganda. Kim invaded with Stalin’s go-ahead, and Mao out of the loop.

    PLA had a good deal of success with night operations. It’s been pointed out that this has been lacking in the Russian Army (maybe someone can illuminate).

    At that time the North/South economic disparity was reverse, with DPRK inheriting much of Japanese guided/built industrial foundation.

    Historically Korean Peninsula is similar to China in most of the time being unified, but a greater proportion of the time divided (I think 45 versus 30 percent).

    It should be emphasized that DPRK is anything but a PRC vassal, the relationship is more like PRC-USSR during Cold War when it was clearly not an inseparable bloc. DPRK’s current stage of development is rather like 80’s under Deng, with a great deal of potential.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    I haven’t see Lake Changjin, did they make seem that it was ROK/US aggression?
     
    That was my impression.

    Kim invaded with Stalin’s go-ahead, and Mao out of the loop.
     
    I've heard claims that Mao provided the majority of the DPRK's troops, at the start of the conflict. 50,000-70,000 Ethnic Koreans from China. Veteran troops that fought for the PLA, in the Chinese civil war, along with their arms. And these were decisive in the invasion.

    It should be emphasized that DPRK is anything but a PRC vassal, the relationship is more like PRC-USSR during Cold War when it was clearly not an inseparable bloc.
     
    I agree. But in a very loose way, the Korean peninsula is a microcosm, with the North being a closer model to China and the South being closer model to America. It's by no means a perfect comparison, but what makes it interesting is that it removes some of the other variables.

    SK, at present, doesn't seen to be doing well. And I'm not sure that will change with Yoon trying to draw closer to the US.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  742. @Ron Unz
    @Yevardian


    I wasn’t familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian?
     
    I hadn't heard much about Scott Ritter for many years, but back at the time of the Iraq War he'd been one of the most prominent opponents, claiming that Saddam probably didn't have WMDs and the widespread MSM claims were nonsense. Ritter had been the Chief UN Weapons Inspector in Iraq, so he had lots of credibility on the issue, and since he was 100% right about the WMDs, that further enhanced his credibility.

    I'd previously never associated him with Russia issues, but listening to several of his long interviews over the last week, he'd apparently specialized in Russia prior to the end of the Cold War, lived there as an American weapons inspector and later as a businessman. He also came across as very credible in all those interviews, though that's obviously a matter of personal opinion, though the Grayzone hosts certainly seemed impressed. If you want to form your own judgment, here's another hour long interview from a few days ago, in which he discusses his previous Russia-related activities:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpKmbjhuk0

    So my reasons for taking Ritter seriously are: (1) He was right in the past when 100% of the MSM was wrong; (2) he has a serious military background, unlike I assume the vast majority of MSM people spouting off about the war; (3) he makes plausible-sounding arguments and comes across as credible to me; (4) he's saying much the same thing as other credible people such as Mearsheimer, Ray McGovern, Douglas Macgregor, and Larry Johnson.

    Replies: @sudden death, @LondonBob

    I posted the Alex Thomson interview as Thomson worked for GCHQ on Russia, knew Christopher Steele, so it is more on the spying angle, plus a lot of interesting history regarding that.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LondonBob

    Steele advised one of the Ukie presidents at the same time as the Right Sector founder. Ukraine really has some issues.

  743. @LatW
    @Barbarossa


    Do you know what breed of cow predominates in the dairy you get it from?
     
    Btw, have you heard of the Danish Red cow? Are they kept in the US at all? It's a very patient, productive breed.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I have not heard of the Danish Red. I know of Swiss Browns, and I just read that Swiss Brown stock was introduced into the Danish Red some decades ago, so I would expect that they are somewhat similar.

    The Jersey is a bit smaller, which is fine for my purposes. The cow I currently have is a really tolerant animal and is very easy to milk and deal with.

  744. @Yevardian
    @LondonBob

    "Russia is moving quickly to strategic success in Ukraine."

    ...

    I wasn't familiar with this Scott Ritter character before, but a cursory reading left me pretty dubious about his credibility. Does he even speak Russian? And although this isn't really relevant to his reliability, apparently he's a registered sex-offender as well. iirc Ronz Unz made statements to the effect he considered him a trustworthy commentator, which has me seriously questioning either Our Benevolent Overlord's motives or judgement at this point. But you'd think consider someone who got a junior paper reviewed by the great Ernst Badian would know how to be critical of his sources.
    And I'm speaking as someone far more on the Russian side than not, even if Putin squandered any moral high ground Russia previously had by starting this war, I can't even conceive the consquences of a vast nuclear-armed nation being faced with imploding a 2nd time in just 30 years. Even if things luckily just manage to fizzle out, I don't like to picture what a resurgently triumphalist US would get up to, especially its current mixture of geriatric and unhinged leadership.

    Meanwhile if you go to pro-Russian commentators actually in Ukraine like Yuri Podolyaka they lost patience and finally started excoriating poor Russian performance and blunders over the war's course.
    Even Solovyev is now asking repeatedly why the war (the word is now being openly used on official media) hasn't been officially declared yet, since so many military contractors recently resigned, and technically can't be held for desertion, as legally this is still a 'special operation'. At this point the only really brashly confident voices remaining are coming either for Russian media directed solely at foreigners, or dissident Anglo media, not exactly inspiring in me much confidence.

    I'd planned to do my best to shut off from all this and concentrate on priorities closer to home, but after week or so of stalemate, things seem to be moving far faster than I expected. But it's hard to take my eyes off this carcrash.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @LondonBob, @Mikhail

    Latest Scott Ritter, who appears much more honest, informed and experienced than the preferred Western mass media talking heads:

    https://theduran.com/the-first-casualty-of-war-is-truth-live-w-scott-ritter/

    He makes a lot of sense, in line what I’ve hunched from a distance, in conjunction with some other sources closer to the situation.

  745. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    If you apply hard enough standard to any statement you can find reasons to dismiss it. Numbers are both precise and squishy: it depends on how you define them. Commenters like AP specialize in the autistic-like focus on cherry-picked details so they can claim not to see the obvious. In most rational situations we dismiss that technique as irrelevant.

    I watched Ritter, he is reasonable and should be heard. There is a high probability that what he says will happen - other less public military people say similar stuff. The questions like "how many and how long it took" are only relevant in the present. At the end what matters are results - that's basically what Ritter says.

    If you want to go on the limb and claim an eventual Kiev victory, do it directly. But hiding behind "it's isn't 200k, it is 120k!!!!" is escapism. How many people today obsess about calendar and precise composition of the French Napoleon invasion of Russia? But they know it was a defeat.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Very nice to hear from you about Putler and his invasion as a spiritual and military succesor of Napoleon 1812 march 😉

    My position is known and did not change – most likely looking as variation/reboot of Finland 1939/44.

  746. German_reader says:

    I was looking for job offers and came upon this gem (under MORE), from the university of Groningen in the Netherlands, about the use of Latin by net extremists, along the lines pioneered by Mark Zuckerberg’s sister.

    [MORE]

    A doctoral scholarship (4 years) on the role of Latin in digital political communication and a postdoctoral position (18 months) on the role of Latin and/or Ancient Greek under German National Socialism are available at the University of Groningen (Netherlands).
    PhD scholarship (4 years) on “The Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age”

    One PhD Position on the Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age is offered as part of the Young Academy Groningen Interdisciplinary PhD programme (project theme number 2: https://www.rug.nl/phd-scholarships?details=00347-02S00092KP).

    As a PhD scholarship student, you will develop your own research project in consultation with the associated supervisors. You will conduct independent and original academic research and report results via peer-reviewed publications, conference presentations, and ultimately a PhD thesis. The PhD thesis has to be completed within four years. Being part of a cutting-edge research programme, you will receive research training as well as a varied educational training program including transferable skills and future (academic or non-academic) career training for after the PhD trajectory, in the context of our Career Perspective Series.

    Project Description
    What does it mean to use Latin in the 21st century? Latin has long ceased to be spoken as a native language, it is no longer the shared language of European scholars and intellectuals, and even its role within the Catholic church is now comparatively minor. This means that using Latin now represents a particular choice, a choice which can be meaningful and significant. The messages which the use of Latin can convey can be extremely varied: for example, Latin is able to convey a sense of general intellectual authority (as in legal or medical discourse), to create an aura of mystery, or to underline a claim to a supposedly prestigious western intellectual heritage. Latin can also suggest military might or imperial ambitions through its evocation of the Roman empire, or create a link to mythical medieval societies among extreme-right groups (e.g. the use of crusader motto ‘Deus Vult’ by white supremacists in the US).
    In this project, we aim to investigate the use of the Latin language in current online political discourse: for example, the use of well-known Latin phrases like sic semper tyrannis as hashtags or in social media posts. Why are large numbers of people using a ‘dead’ language when discussing politics online? What ideas about tradition, class, race, religion or power does their choice of Latin convey? How do such ideas travel: transnationally, between political orientations, between media? And what does this tell us about how contemporary political discourse operates? The novelty of this project lies: (1) in focusing on Latin itself as a communicative tool and symbol in modern political speech; (2) in the inclusion of the kinds of political discourse that are not often taken seriously or studied by scholars, but which we now know to be crucial in spreading (potentially extreme) political ideas (e.g. internet fora, Facebook or Twitter posts); (3) in offering a new approach towards understanding the transnational circulation of political discourse and its importance for group identity through the systematic examination of the use of Latin – a language not exclusively associated with any specific country.
    The PhD candidate will design a project which combines a global analysis of this large-scale phenomenon with in-depth interpretation of individual instances. Given that this is a project aiming to break new ground on an underexplored phenomenon, the selected PhD candidate will have significant room to define the relevant approaches to the topic based on their interests and expertise. Potentially relevant angles on this topic include, but are not limited to: reception studies, politics of memory, political discourse in social media, far-right politics, construction of transnational identities or the circulation of political ideas. Applicants are encouraged to check the project website for some examples of Latin phrases used on social media: https://usesoflatin.wordpress.com/

    Supervisors:
    Dr. Bettina Reitz-Joosse (Latin Language and Literature – Faculty of Arts) and Dr. Julia Costa Lopez (International Relations – Faculty of Arts)
    Prospective applicants are strongly encouraged to contact the supervisors ([email protected] and [email protected]) for further details and clarifications on the research project and on the application process.

    Qualifications
    The ideal candidate will have:
    – a background in either social sciences (e.g. international relations, political science, media studies) or humanities (e.g. classics, history, modern literature), as well as an affinity for the respective other
    – at least a basic knowledge of Latin
    – very good reading knowledge of at least two modern languages besides English
    – excellent written/spoken English
    – knowledge of and/or interest in the digital humanities.

    Organisation
    The University of Groningen is a comprehensive research university with a global outlook, deeply rooted in Groningen, City of Talent. Quality has been our top priority for over four hundred years, and with success: the University is currently in or around the top 100 on several influential ranking lists.
    The Young Academy Groningen (YAG), established in 2016, is an organization that brings together the most enthusiastic, positive and ambitious young researchers from diverse academic backgrounds. Our aim is to support the development of interdisciplinary research initiatives. To facilitate this, each year we have three PhD Scholarship positions available to help foster interdisciplinary collaborations amongst YAG members.

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Deus Vult!

    P.S. You should apply with a serious face and use this white supremacist/extremist post of mine as a proof/reference of such phenomenon in EU too ;)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Commentator Mike

    , @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    The resulting Phd thesis will probably be a riveting read.

    Maybe at some point somebody will open a 'Liberal Studies' institute, where different liberal assumptions encoded into academic frames and tools of analysis can be in turn analysed.

    Some interesting news from France:

    https://unherd.com/2022/04/frances-demographic-civil-war/

    Replies: @AaronB, @songbird

    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    ominous sign for the Americanization of humanities departments in Europe.
     
    There may be some parallelism, when it comes to the economic/political model of multicult rot, but textually I perceive European fingerprints on this. Sic semper tyrannis is the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia. In the US, Mussolini (mentioned by Reitz-Joosse elsewhere) is a Z-list celebrity compared to Hitler.

    I'd argue that universities are the political bastion of feminism. Lots of resources up for grabs, no requirements for utility. The inflow of youth masks its fundamental bare-womb nature, that would otherwise be apparent in wrinkled spinsterism.

    Universities need to be nuked. Same problem in SK.

    BTW, I'd like to adduce Reitz-Joosse as a demonstration of the utility of my idea to reform surnames, in order to increase their informational power. (Hyphenated names are currently the most informative taxon of surnames, but we could create even better categories, by giving people new names.)

    I'd also like to set the Victorian ethnologists on such people (with hyphenated names) to study their characteristics.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    It sounds like they have already decided what is going on any why. It sounds like just a wankery sinecure to "study" the phenomenon for four years when clearly the outcome is predetermined.

    "Latin is White Supremacist hate speech."

    There, I just saved them a lot of time and effort.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  747. @German_reader
    I was looking for job offers and came upon this gem (under MORE), from the university of Groningen in the Netherlands, about the use of Latin by net extremists, along the lines pioneered by Mark Zuckerberg's sister.


    A doctoral scholarship (4 years) on the role of Latin in digital political communication and a postdoctoral position (18 months) on the role of Latin and/or Ancient Greek under German National Socialism are available at the University of Groningen (Netherlands).
    PhD scholarship (4 years) on "The Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age"

    One PhD Position on the Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age is offered as part of the Young Academy Groningen Interdisciplinary PhD programme (project theme number 2: https://www.rug.nl/phd-scholarships?details=00347-02S00092KP).

    As a PhD scholarship student, you will develop your own research project in consultation with the associated supervisors. You will conduct independent and original academic research and report results via peer-reviewed publications, conference presentations, and ultimately a PhD thesis. The PhD thesis has to be completed within four years. Being part of a cutting-edge research programme, you will receive research training as well as a varied educational training program including transferable skills and future (academic or non-academic) career training for after the PhD trajectory, in the context of our Career Perspective Series.

    Project Description
    What does it mean to use Latin in the 21st century? Latin has long ceased to be spoken as a native language, it is no longer the shared language of European scholars and intellectuals, and even its role within the Catholic church is now comparatively minor. This means that using Latin now represents a particular choice, a choice which can be meaningful and significant. The messages which the use of Latin can convey can be extremely varied: for example, Latin is able to convey a sense of general intellectual authority (as in legal or medical discourse), to create an aura of mystery, or to underline a claim to a supposedly prestigious western intellectual heritage. Latin can also suggest military might or imperial ambitions through its evocation of the Roman empire, or create a link to mythical medieval societies among extreme-right groups (e.g. the use of crusader motto ‘Deus Vult’ by white supremacists in the US).
    In this project, we aim to investigate the use of the Latin language in current online political discourse: for example, the use of well-known Latin phrases like sic semper tyrannis as hashtags or in social media posts. Why are large numbers of people using a ‘dead’ language when discussing politics online? What ideas about tradition, class, race, religion or power does their choice of Latin convey? How do such ideas travel: transnationally, between political orientations, between media? And what does this tell us about how contemporary political discourse operates? The novelty of this project lies: (1) in focusing on Latin itself as a communicative tool and symbol in modern political speech; (2) in the inclusion of the kinds of political discourse that are not often taken seriously or studied by scholars, but which we now know to be crucial in spreading (potentially extreme) political ideas (e.g. internet fora, Facebook or Twitter posts); (3) in offering a new approach towards understanding the transnational circulation of political discourse and its importance for group identity through the systematic examination of the use of Latin - a language not exclusively associated with any specific country.
    The PhD candidate will design a project which combines a global analysis of this large-scale phenomenon with in-depth interpretation of individual instances. Given that this is a project aiming to break new ground on an underexplored phenomenon, the selected PhD candidate will have significant room to define the relevant approaches to the topic based on their interests and expertise. Potentially relevant angles on this topic include, but are not limited to: reception studies, politics of memory, political discourse in social media, far-right politics, construction of transnational identities or the circulation of political ideas. Applicants are encouraged to check the project website for some examples of Latin phrases used on social media: https://usesoflatin.wordpress.com/

    Supervisors:
    Dr. Bettina Reitz-Joosse (Latin Language and Literature - Faculty of Arts) and Dr. Julia Costa Lopez (International Relations - Faculty of Arts)
    Prospective applicants are strongly encouraged to contact the supervisors ([email protected] and [email protected]) for further details and clarifications on the research project and on the application process.

    Qualifications
    The ideal candidate will have:
    - a background in either social sciences (e.g. international relations, political science, media studies) or humanities (e.g. classics, history, modern literature), as well as an affinity for the respective other
    - at least a basic knowledge of Latin
    - very good reading knowledge of at least two modern languages besides English
    - excellent written/spoken English
    - knowledge of and/or interest in the digital humanities.

    Organisation
    The University of Groningen is a comprehensive research university with a global outlook, deeply rooted in Groningen, City of Talent. Quality has been our top priority for over four hundred years, and with success: the University is currently in or around the top 100 on several influential ranking lists.
    The Young Academy Groningen (YAG), established in 2016, is an organization that brings together the most enthusiastic, positive and ambitious young researchers from diverse academic backgrounds. Our aim is to support the development of interdisciplinary research initiatives. To facilitate this, each year we have three PhD Scholarship positions available to help foster interdisciplinary collaborations amongst YAG members.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Coconuts, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Deus Vult!

    P.S. You should apply with a serious face and use this white supremacist/extremist post of mine as a proof/reference of such phenomenon in EU too 😉

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    P.S. You should apply with a serious face and use this white supremacist/extremist post of mine as a proof/reference of such phenomenon in EU too
     
    I could cite my years of undercover resarch on UR as a special qualification. Could also adduce Ron Unz himself as evidence for the classics/ancient history to net extremism pipeline.
    On a serious note, something like this seems like another ominous sign for the Americanization of humanities departments in Europe.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Commentator Mike
    @sudden death

    Does such research require 4 years and deserve a Ph.D.? Sounds more like a high school project.

    Replies: @songbird, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

  748. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Deus Vult!

    P.S. You should apply with a serious face and use this white supremacist/extremist post of mine as a proof/reference of such phenomenon in EU too ;)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Commentator Mike

    P.S. You should apply with a serious face and use this white supremacist/extremist post of mine as a proof/reference of such phenomenon in EU too

    I could cite my years of undercover resarch on UR as a special qualification. Could also adduce Ron Unz himself as evidence for the classics/ancient history to net extremism pipeline.
    On a serious note, something like this seems like another ominous sign for the Americanization of humanities departments in Europe.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Looking on the bright side of life it is quite an an opportunity to get helicopter money just for...browzing internetz daily, which many of us are doing wastingly unpaidly atm.

  749. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    P.S. You should apply with a serious face and use this white supremacist/extremist post of mine as a proof/reference of such phenomenon in EU too
     
    I could cite my years of undercover resarch on UR as a special qualification. Could also adduce Ron Unz himself as evidence for the classics/ancient history to net extremism pipeline.
    On a serious note, something like this seems like another ominous sign for the Americanization of humanities departments in Europe.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Looking on the bright side of life it is quite an an opportunity to get helicopter money just for…browzing internetz daily, which many of us are doing wastingly unpaidly atm.

  750. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    I haven't see Lake Changjin, did they make seem that it was ROK/US aggression? If so that's old propaganda. Kim invaded with Stalin's go-ahead, and Mao out of the loop.

    PLA had a good deal of success with night operations. It's been pointed out that this has been lacking in the Russian Army (maybe someone can illuminate).

    At that time the North/South economic disparity was reverse, with DPRK inheriting much of Japanese guided/built industrial foundation.

    Historically Korean Peninsula is similar to China in most of the time being unified, but a greater proportion of the time divided (I think 45 versus 30 percent).

    It should be emphasized that DPRK is anything but a PRC vassal, the relationship is more like PRC-USSR during Cold War when it was clearly not an inseparable bloc. DPRK's current stage of development is rather like 80's under Deng, with a great deal of potential.

    Replies: @songbird

    I haven’t see Lake Changjin, did they make seem that it was ROK/US aggression?

    That was my impression.

    Kim invaded with Stalin’s go-ahead, and Mao out of the loop.

    I’ve heard claims that Mao provided the majority of the DPRK’s troops, at the start of the conflict. 50,000-70,000 Ethnic Koreans from China. Veteran troops that fought for the PLA, in the Chinese civil war, along with their arms. And these were decisive in the invasion.

    It should be emphasized that DPRK is anything but a PRC vassal, the relationship is more like PRC-USSR during Cold War when it was clearly not an inseparable bloc.

    I agree. But in a very loose way, the Korean peninsula is a microcosm, with the North being a closer model to China and the South being closer model to America. It’s by no means a perfect comparison, but what makes it interesting is that it removes some of the other variables.

    SK, at present, doesn’t seen to be doing well. And I’m not sure that will change with Yoon trying to draw closer to the US.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    Remember incels have propelled Yoon to power.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird


    I’ve heard claims that Mao provided the majority of the DPRK’s troops, at the start of the conflict. 50,000-70,000 Ethnic Koreans from China.
     
    Kim came to Beijing and requested leading the PLA ethnic Koreans back to Korea, Mao agreed to this and also that he will support Kim's War of Unification, but only after his own is completed.

    Stalin was opposed to Mao unifying the entire East Asian continent, much less Taiwan. The Soviets wanted a North and South China division between CPC and KMT, same as in Germany and later in Korea. After the PLA captured the ROC capital Nanjing in 1949, the Soviet embassy evacuated along with Chiang to Guangzhou.

    It's difficult to overstate the instrumental role that Soviets played in the Korean War and Chinese Civil War, only that it was covert.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War


    SK, at present, doesn’t seen to be doing well.

     

    I don't buy this actually--

    https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2022/04/01/south-korea-surpasses-japan-in-real-gdp-per-capita/

    Replies: @songbird

  751. @LondonBob
    @Ron Unz

    I posted the Alex Thomson interview as Thomson worked for GCHQ on Russia, knew Christopher Steele, so it is more on the spying angle, plus a lot of interesting history regarding that.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Steele advised one of the Ukie presidents at the same time as the Right Sector founder. Ukraine really has some issues.

  752. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Brás Cubas


    This is happening all the time with regards to ancient history; for example, just the other day there was a book about Caligula saying he was not the monster everyone thought he was.
     
    He doesn't come off that bad in Sutonius.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    I don’t remember. I had a quick glance at Wikipedia and it seems you are right. Anyway, I was just using him as an example. My knowledge of history is very poor.

  753. @iffen
    @Brás Cubas

    As time passes, and the people who have an interest in the events die, or leave power, those influences wane.

    Yes. Also, as time passes, it becomes much easier for us to construct the desired history.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    I would agree for events less than a century or two old. Older than that, the historian will have little interest or pressure for lying. He will try to do the best he can to tell the truth.

  754. @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    We do kefir and yogurt as well and basically once you have a good starter culture you just keep adding in fresh milk as needed. Kefir is easier than yogurt though since it doesn't have to go through a temperature specific heating/ cooling process.

    You can use pasteurized or raw milk for kefir, but ultra-pasteurized milk is too denatured to work.
    Kefir et. al does work wonders on the gut flora.

    @AaronB
    Maybe you are on the road too much, but consider just getting some kefir grains and make it yourself with that fresh milk!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yes, you’re right. I remember my mother just adding in some new milk after about a week of usage. No new cultures were needed, for she left a certain amount at the bottom of the jar and it just kept on going. A lot less expensive than buying something similar at the store. A quart of kefir costs somewhere between $4.00 – $8.00 for a quart or liter.

  755. @German_reader
    I was looking for job offers and came upon this gem (under MORE), from the university of Groningen in the Netherlands, about the use of Latin by net extremists, along the lines pioneered by Mark Zuckerberg's sister.


    A doctoral scholarship (4 years) on the role of Latin in digital political communication and a postdoctoral position (18 months) on the role of Latin and/or Ancient Greek under German National Socialism are available at the University of Groningen (Netherlands).
    PhD scholarship (4 years) on "The Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age"

    One PhD Position on the Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age is offered as part of the Young Academy Groningen Interdisciplinary PhD programme (project theme number 2: https://www.rug.nl/phd-scholarships?details=00347-02S00092KP).

    As a PhD scholarship student, you will develop your own research project in consultation with the associated supervisors. You will conduct independent and original academic research and report results via peer-reviewed publications, conference presentations, and ultimately a PhD thesis. The PhD thesis has to be completed within four years. Being part of a cutting-edge research programme, you will receive research training as well as a varied educational training program including transferable skills and future (academic or non-academic) career training for after the PhD trajectory, in the context of our Career Perspective Series.

    Project Description
    What does it mean to use Latin in the 21st century? Latin has long ceased to be spoken as a native language, it is no longer the shared language of European scholars and intellectuals, and even its role within the Catholic church is now comparatively minor. This means that using Latin now represents a particular choice, a choice which can be meaningful and significant. The messages which the use of Latin can convey can be extremely varied: for example, Latin is able to convey a sense of general intellectual authority (as in legal or medical discourse), to create an aura of mystery, or to underline a claim to a supposedly prestigious western intellectual heritage. Latin can also suggest military might or imperial ambitions through its evocation of the Roman empire, or create a link to mythical medieval societies among extreme-right groups (e.g. the use of crusader motto ‘Deus Vult’ by white supremacists in the US).
    In this project, we aim to investigate the use of the Latin language in current online political discourse: for example, the use of well-known Latin phrases like sic semper tyrannis as hashtags or in social media posts. Why are large numbers of people using a ‘dead’ language when discussing politics online? What ideas about tradition, class, race, religion or power does their choice of Latin convey? How do such ideas travel: transnationally, between political orientations, between media? And what does this tell us about how contemporary political discourse operates? The novelty of this project lies: (1) in focusing on Latin itself as a communicative tool and symbol in modern political speech; (2) in the inclusion of the kinds of political discourse that are not often taken seriously or studied by scholars, but which we now know to be crucial in spreading (potentially extreme) political ideas (e.g. internet fora, Facebook or Twitter posts); (3) in offering a new approach towards understanding the transnational circulation of political discourse and its importance for group identity through the systematic examination of the use of Latin - a language not exclusively associated with any specific country.
    The PhD candidate will design a project which combines a global analysis of this large-scale phenomenon with in-depth interpretation of individual instances. Given that this is a project aiming to break new ground on an underexplored phenomenon, the selected PhD candidate will have significant room to define the relevant approaches to the topic based on their interests and expertise. Potentially relevant angles on this topic include, but are not limited to: reception studies, politics of memory, political discourse in social media, far-right politics, construction of transnational identities or the circulation of political ideas. Applicants are encouraged to check the project website for some examples of Latin phrases used on social media: https://usesoflatin.wordpress.com/

    Supervisors:
    Dr. Bettina Reitz-Joosse (Latin Language and Literature - Faculty of Arts) and Dr. Julia Costa Lopez (International Relations - Faculty of Arts)
    Prospective applicants are strongly encouraged to contact the supervisors ([email protected] and [email protected]) for further details and clarifications on the research project and on the application process.

    Qualifications
    The ideal candidate will have:
    - a background in either social sciences (e.g. international relations, political science, media studies) or humanities (e.g. classics, history, modern literature), as well as an affinity for the respective other
    - at least a basic knowledge of Latin
    - very good reading knowledge of at least two modern languages besides English
    - excellent written/spoken English
    - knowledge of and/or interest in the digital humanities.

    Organisation
    The University of Groningen is a comprehensive research university with a global outlook, deeply rooted in Groningen, City of Talent. Quality has been our top priority for over four hundred years, and with success: the University is currently in or around the top 100 on several influential ranking lists.
    The Young Academy Groningen (YAG), established in 2016, is an organization that brings together the most enthusiastic, positive and ambitious young researchers from diverse academic backgrounds. Our aim is to support the development of interdisciplinary research initiatives. To facilitate this, each year we have three PhD Scholarship positions available to help foster interdisciplinary collaborations amongst YAG members.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Coconuts, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    The resulting Phd thesis will probably be a riveting read.

    Maybe at some point somebody will open a ‘Liberal Studies’ institute, where different liberal assumptions encoded into academic frames and tools of analysis can be in turn analysed.

    Some interesting news from France:

    https://unherd.com/2022/04/frances-demographic-civil-war/

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Coconuts

    That was an interesting article, thanks.

    I knew this already, but had completely forgotten that France was already "decadent" in the late 1800s, and fallen into the stupid habit of thinking that the Western malaise is only recent.

    Of course, Nietzsche was fulminating against general European decadence already in the late 1800s.

    I'm beginning to wonder if the solution to demographic decline, and our social decadence in general, may like in something we scarcely dare consider as of yet.

    Of course, people talk about how religious "belief" seems to arrest demographic decline and other social wills, but the idea here is purely instrumental, focused on the effect belief has on people.

    But I am beginning to wonder if an older, more ancient idea is not true - supernatural entities, God's, actually exist, and if you "align" yourself with them, they actually give you vitality and power.

    In other words, it's not about the "psychological effects" of religious belief, which presumably would work whether or not such beliefs are true.

    Its about coming into actual, real contact with existing reality - plugging into the source of all vitality and life at it's core.

    But as a culture, we dare not yet take such a bold leap! Our discourse at the moment is quite prepared to recognize the "social utility" of religious belief, but not that the "benefits" are conferred from "outside" and not just in our heads.

    And yet, what if it's true?

    , @songbird
    @Coconuts

    There are riots now in Napoleon's birthplace, Corsica.

    It seems as if a prominent separatist experienced some anarcho-tyranny and was killed by a Muslim while in jail (for a previous assassination), for "insulting Muhammad."

    Supposedly, Paris is floating the idea of autonomy, if they stop the violence. Of course, autonomy has questionable utility, unless you can control the borders.
    ____
    I've heard Le Pen has gone woke.

    But I rather like Zemmour's idea to appoint a minister of remigration and to seize the French houses of African leaders, if they don't cooperate. It is not really different to what has been done with Russians.

    I guess Zemmour has to be careful with his rhetoric, but I would like him to propose building wooden gliders and filling them with Africans and towing them, regardless of nationality, to land on the outskirts of the capital of the most uncooperative country. With arms that unlock, when the glider lands.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

  756. @AaronB
    @Mikel


    Thanks a lot for those insights but it sounds like psychiatrist Mcgilchrist put a lot of right-side brain effort in that book, doesn’t it? 🙂
     
    Well, I'd say Mcgilchrist in his book tries to unite both left hemisphere and right hemisphere thinking in the best kind of way.

    Mcgilchrist does not argue for an entirely right hemisphere way of thinking - one of the distinctive features of right hemisphere thinking is that it can see what the left sees, and integrate it into a larger whole, while the left cannot see what the right sees (and has contempt for what it cannot see).

    Ultimately, the two spheres are supposed to cooperate - and they do in the best kind of creativity - with the right dominating because it sees more and can integrate what the left sees into the larger picture.

    It is only the arrogant and narrowly-focused left that sees no use for the right hemisphere, because it has contempt for what it cannot understand and cannot see it's own limitations ("cannot know what it doesn't know" - it's good at taking apart and focusing narrowly, not seeing the larger picture).

    Welcome back by the way. Did you visit the Capitol Reef area? I’d like to know how you’d compare it to other parts of Utah and the West.
     
    Thanks! And yes, I did go through Capital Reef!

    I thought it was absolutely stupendous, with scenery easily equally to the more famous Utah areas. I would even say the red rock there has a special intensity not seen to the same degree in the other areas.

    I did not spend as much time there as I'd like, tbh. I think Arches and Zion are more popular for the sole reason that they are more accessible - Capital Reef is sort of in the back of beyond, like Escalante National Monument nearby.

    Capital Reef is a very unique and special place.

    Also, next time you're in that area if you have the time, definitely take highway 95 to Blanding (just south of Moab) once you leave Capital Reef.

    It is a gorgeous stretch of highway that passes through some extremely remote, rugged, and classic Utah desert scenery. There were barely any cars there, and there was a 100 mile stretch with signs warning you of no services.

    It's funny, I actually had just finished Nevada's so called "loneliest road" in America route 50, which is also stunning and beautiful in it's own way, but I felt Utah route 95 was much lonelier with less cars!

    If you can, it's well worth it.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Thanks for sharing your impressions. You seem to have taken a most scenic way back from California to the East. Every time I’ve been to Blanding I drove from Moab but I looked at UT-95 on Google Earth and it’s clear that it must be an awesome route. UT-12 from Torrey in Capitol Reef NP to Escalante is also purported to be one of the best scenic routes in the West but, like you, I barely had the time to see some of the essentials in the Park and left feeling that I’d only seen less than 1%. Considering its size (~100 miles North to South), it would easily take a lifetime of exploring to get to know all secret beauties of Capitol Reef.

    BTW, while hiking on a rather remote trail of the park, my son and I suddenly came across an old man who was slowly hiking on his own with the aid of trekking poles. He looked frail and tired but we had a chat and he was in good humor. He gave us some tips for the way ahead and continued his march. I’ve thought quite a lot about this man. I can also imagine myself spending most of my time in my last years exploring as much as I can of these fantastic landscapes around me.

    In the Wasatch area we are at most 1-1.5 hours away of 4 types of deserts: sagebrush land like the one you saw along most the US-50 in Nevada, isolated red rock outcrops similar to Moab or Bryce Canyon (eg Devil’s Kitchen), sand dunes in parts of the ancient Boneville dry lakebed (eg Little Sahara) and the psychedelic Salt Flats west of the Great Salt Lake. All of that while living in a pure Rocky Mountain alpine environment. With so much to enjoy nearby I don’t feel the need to visit the big parks as much as if I lived in an eastern city but still, every time we go to one of the Utah Mighty Five we understand why those places received their special status.

    Another remote and seldom visited NP in our neighborhood is Nevada’s Great Basin NP. I’ve seen some gorgeous pictures. So much to discover and so little time…

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mikel

    I love that story about meeting that frail old man in the back country with trekking poles, the modern version of the staff - maybe he was a God in disguise :) Maybe, the tutelary spirit of Capital Reef national park - and surely there is one! - manifesting in the guise of an old man to inspire one of his devoted acolytes, one who loves his park as he does.

    I have also long dreamed about ending my days as an old man wandering the wilderness - I believe this has very deep seated resonance across cultures and probably speaks to something very real in the human psyche, as the civilizations of the East all dreamed of old age being a time to wander the wild. In China, they actually called this phenomenon becoming an Old Man of the Mountains. In India, it was one of life's expected stages.

    I can think of no better way to end ones days and pass into eternity....

    Yes, your position in the beautiful Wasatch range is very lucky indeed. Incredible variety and beauty everywhere. And as you say, the stupendous scenery of the big five, while always compelling and what one returns to again and again, isn't always more compelling than a more ordinary but moving local landscape.

    Sometimes, I enjoy nothing more than a simple slice of the Mojave desert, or an ordinary corner of Nevada sagebrush desert, as much as the overwhelming landscapes of southern Utah.

    I've been to Great Basin a long time ago, but don't have the clearest memory of it. As you say, so much to see and too little time!

    I plan on leaving again by the end of May - do I go somewhere new or deepen my explorations of what I know and love? I am these days drawn to the landscapes of southern Utah and northern Arizona, with their ancient and mythological feel, so perhaps those red lands have something to tell at least for the moment.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  757. @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    The resulting Phd thesis will probably be a riveting read.

    Maybe at some point somebody will open a 'Liberal Studies' institute, where different liberal assumptions encoded into academic frames and tools of analysis can be in turn analysed.

    Some interesting news from France:

    https://unherd.com/2022/04/frances-demographic-civil-war/

    Replies: @AaronB, @songbird

    That was an interesting article, thanks.

    I knew this already, but had completely forgotten that France was already “decadent” in the late 1800s, and fallen into the stupid habit of thinking that the Western malaise is only recent.

    Of course, Nietzsche was fulminating against general European decadence already in the late 1800s.

    I’m beginning to wonder if the solution to demographic decline, and our social decadence in general, may like in something we scarcely dare consider as of yet.

    Of course, people talk about how religious “belief” seems to arrest demographic decline and other social wills, but the idea here is purely instrumental, focused on the effect belief has on people.

    But I am beginning to wonder if an older, more ancient idea is not true – supernatural entities, God’s, actually exist, and if you “align” yourself with them, they actually give you vitality and power.

    In other words, it’s not about the “psychological effects” of religious belief, which presumably would work whether or not such beliefs are true.

    Its about coming into actual, real contact with existing reality – plugging into the source of all vitality and life at it’s core.

    But as a culture, we dare not yet take such a bold leap! Our discourse at the moment is quite prepared to recognize the “social utility” of religious belief, but not that the “benefits” are conferred from “outside” and not just in our heads.

    And yet, what if it’s true?

  758. @German_reader
    @songbird

    I wonder why utu even keeps commenting here. It sort of made sense a few years ago when he was mostly obsessed with Jews (he wasn't that anti-Russia back then iirc, he once made that notorious comment where he expressed hope that Russia would nuke Israel), but today it's difficult to discern the reasons, since he seems to despise most regular commenters. Maybe he just likes insulting us.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    I enjoy his comments. Granted, he has seems to hold some especial animosity towards you, but don’t forget, that’s only because he cares about you sir. Doesn’t that make you feel special?

    utu is love, utu is life

  759. @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    The resulting Phd thesis will probably be a riveting read.

    Maybe at some point somebody will open a 'Liberal Studies' institute, where different liberal assumptions encoded into academic frames and tools of analysis can be in turn analysed.

    Some interesting news from France:

    https://unherd.com/2022/04/frances-demographic-civil-war/

    Replies: @AaronB, @songbird

    There are riots now in Napoleon’s birthplace, Corsica.

    It seems as if a prominent separatist experienced some anarcho-tyranny and was killed by a Muslim while in jail (for a previous assassination), for “insulting Muhammad.”

    Supposedly, Paris is floating the idea of autonomy, if they stop the violence. Of course, autonomy has questionable utility, unless you can control the borders.
    ____
    I’ve heard Le Pen has gone woke.

    But I rather like Zemmour’s idea to appoint a minister of remigration and to seize the French houses of African leaders, if they don’t cooperate. It is not really different to what has been done with Russians.

    I guess Zemmour has to be careful with his rhetoric, but I would like him to propose building wooden gliders and filling them with Africans and towing them, regardless of nationality, to land on the outskirts of the capital of the most uncooperative country. With arms that unlock, when the glider lands.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    I guess Zemmour has to be careful with his rhetoric
     
    He actually seems to be pretty explicit, from what I've read, and yet still has a major media presence, so isn't totally ostracized and excluded from public debate. I can't imagine the same in Britain or Germany for anybody talking about demographic change the way he does.
    France has often been a political trend-setter for Europe, so maybe this indicates something. Or maybe not.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @A123
    @songbird


    I’ve heard Le Pen has gone woke.
     
    She made a number of attempts to appeal to the Davos Elites and their media puppets. Not only was this futile, it offended the Populists.

    Despite being "archived" Guillaume Durocher is posting articles in the run up to the election.

    https://www.unz.com/author/guillaume-durocher/

    Polls are always wrong, but the gap is extremely large. It looks like the incredibly weak and unreliable Le Pen will get the #2 run off slot instead of Zemmour. I suspect that lack of trust will result in vocal refusal to turnout for her in the run off.

    Most likely outcome - An unconvincing Macron "win" with low total votes.

    PEACE 😇
  760. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @Coconuts

    There are riots now in Napoleon's birthplace, Corsica.

    It seems as if a prominent separatist experienced some anarcho-tyranny and was killed by a Muslim while in jail (for a previous assassination), for "insulting Muhammad."

    Supposedly, Paris is floating the idea of autonomy, if they stop the violence. Of course, autonomy has questionable utility, unless you can control the borders.
    ____
    I've heard Le Pen has gone woke.

    But I rather like Zemmour's idea to appoint a minister of remigration and to seize the French houses of African leaders, if they don't cooperate. It is not really different to what has been done with Russians.

    I guess Zemmour has to be careful with his rhetoric, but I would like him to propose building wooden gliders and filling them with Africans and towing them, regardless of nationality, to land on the outskirts of the capital of the most uncooperative country. With arms that unlock, when the glider lands.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    I guess Zemmour has to be careful with his rhetoric

    He actually seems to be pretty explicit, from what I’ve read, and yet still has a major media presence, so isn’t totally ostracized and excluded from public debate. I can’t imagine the same in Britain or Germany for anybody talking about demographic change the way he does.
    France has often been a political trend-setter for Europe, so maybe this indicates something. Or maybe not.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    I can’t imagine the same in Britain or Germany for anybody talking about demographic change the way he does.
     
    Weren't there raids in Germany a while ago to arrest people who insulted politicians online, or something?

    In Canada, the state subsidizes the papers, and the whole process is pretty obfuscated.


    France has often been a political trend-setter for Europe, so maybe this indicates something. Or maybe not.
     
    I wonder how much of that relates specifically to Zemmour, as a personality.

    Of course, I've wondered at times, whether the French system of not keeping statistics is better. It's pretty disturbing to see the advertising that accompanies a census campaign. Especially, in America, but, I think anywhere.

    I like Zemmour's rhetoric but am not hopeful of his chances.

    Replies: @German_reader

  761. @German_reader
    I was looking for job offers and came upon this gem (under MORE), from the university of Groningen in the Netherlands, about the use of Latin by net extremists, along the lines pioneered by Mark Zuckerberg's sister.


    A doctoral scholarship (4 years) on the role of Latin in digital political communication and a postdoctoral position (18 months) on the role of Latin and/or Ancient Greek under German National Socialism are available at the University of Groningen (Netherlands).
    PhD scholarship (4 years) on "The Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age"

    One PhD Position on the Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age is offered as part of the Young Academy Groningen Interdisciplinary PhD programme (project theme number 2: https://www.rug.nl/phd-scholarships?details=00347-02S00092KP).

    As a PhD scholarship student, you will develop your own research project in consultation with the associated supervisors. You will conduct independent and original academic research and report results via peer-reviewed publications, conference presentations, and ultimately a PhD thesis. The PhD thesis has to be completed within four years. Being part of a cutting-edge research programme, you will receive research training as well as a varied educational training program including transferable skills and future (academic or non-academic) career training for after the PhD trajectory, in the context of our Career Perspective Series.

    Project Description
    What does it mean to use Latin in the 21st century? Latin has long ceased to be spoken as a native language, it is no longer the shared language of European scholars and intellectuals, and even its role within the Catholic church is now comparatively minor. This means that using Latin now represents a particular choice, a choice which can be meaningful and significant. The messages which the use of Latin can convey can be extremely varied: for example, Latin is able to convey a sense of general intellectual authority (as in legal or medical discourse), to create an aura of mystery, or to underline a claim to a supposedly prestigious western intellectual heritage. Latin can also suggest military might or imperial ambitions through its evocation of the Roman empire, or create a link to mythical medieval societies among extreme-right groups (e.g. the use of crusader motto ‘Deus Vult’ by white supremacists in the US).
    In this project, we aim to investigate the use of the Latin language in current online political discourse: for example, the use of well-known Latin phrases like sic semper tyrannis as hashtags or in social media posts. Why are large numbers of people using a ‘dead’ language when discussing politics online? What ideas about tradition, class, race, religion or power does their choice of Latin convey? How do such ideas travel: transnationally, between political orientations, between media? And what does this tell us about how contemporary political discourse operates? The novelty of this project lies: (1) in focusing on Latin itself as a communicative tool and symbol in modern political speech; (2) in the inclusion of the kinds of political discourse that are not often taken seriously or studied by scholars, but which we now know to be crucial in spreading (potentially extreme) political ideas (e.g. internet fora, Facebook or Twitter posts); (3) in offering a new approach towards understanding the transnational circulation of political discourse and its importance for group identity through the systematic examination of the use of Latin - a language not exclusively associated with any specific country.
    The PhD candidate will design a project which combines a global analysis of this large-scale phenomenon with in-depth interpretation of individual instances. Given that this is a project aiming to break new ground on an underexplored phenomenon, the selected PhD candidate will have significant room to define the relevant approaches to the topic based on their interests and expertise. Potentially relevant angles on this topic include, but are not limited to: reception studies, politics of memory, political discourse in social media, far-right politics, construction of transnational identities or the circulation of political ideas. Applicants are encouraged to check the project website for some examples of Latin phrases used on social media: https://usesoflatin.wordpress.com/

    Supervisors:
    Dr. Bettina Reitz-Joosse (Latin Language and Literature - Faculty of Arts) and Dr. Julia Costa Lopez (International Relations - Faculty of Arts)
    Prospective applicants are strongly encouraged to contact the supervisors ([email protected] and [email protected]) for further details and clarifications on the research project and on the application process.

    Qualifications
    The ideal candidate will have:
    - a background in either social sciences (e.g. international relations, political science, media studies) or humanities (e.g. classics, history, modern literature), as well as an affinity for the respective other
    - at least a basic knowledge of Latin
    - very good reading knowledge of at least two modern languages besides English
    - excellent written/spoken English
    - knowledge of and/or interest in the digital humanities.

    Organisation
    The University of Groningen is a comprehensive research university with a global outlook, deeply rooted in Groningen, City of Talent. Quality has been our top priority for over four hundred years, and with success: the University is currently in or around the top 100 on several influential ranking lists.
    The Young Academy Groningen (YAG), established in 2016, is an organization that brings together the most enthusiastic, positive and ambitious young researchers from diverse academic backgrounds. Our aim is to support the development of interdisciplinary research initiatives. To facilitate this, each year we have three PhD Scholarship positions available to help foster interdisciplinary collaborations amongst YAG members.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Coconuts, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    ominous sign for the Americanization of humanities departments in Europe.

    There may be some parallelism, when it comes to the economic/political model of multicult rot, but textually I perceive European fingerprints on this. Sic semper tyrannis is the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia. In the US, Mussolini (mentioned by Reitz-Joosse elsewhere) is a Z-list celebrity compared to Hitler.

    I’d argue that universities are the political bastion of feminism. Lots of resources up for grabs, no requirements for utility. The inflow of youth masks its fundamental bare-womb nature, that would otherwise be apparent in wrinkled spinsterism.

    Universities need to be nuked. Same problem in SK.

    BTW, I’d like to adduce Reitz-Joosse as a demonstration of the utility of my idea to reform surnames, in order to increase their informational power. (Hyphenated names are currently the most informative taxon of surnames, but we could create even better categories, by giving people new names.)

    I’d also like to set the Victorian ethnologists on such people (with hyphenated names) to study their characteristics.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    but textually I perceive European fingerprints on this.
     
    I think it's US-inspired, because there were all those articles in recent years about how the alt-right tried to appropriate antiquity (iirc Mark Zuckerberg's sister Donna even dedicated an entire journal to questions of this sort, Sailer had some posts about this). Sic semper tyrannis is meaningless to Europeans, but obviously has a certain resonance in the US, not least because of its association with Lincoln's assassination.
    I agree about universities.
  762. @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    I haven’t see Lake Changjin, did they make seem that it was ROK/US aggression?
     
    That was my impression.

    Kim invaded with Stalin’s go-ahead, and Mao out of the loop.
     
    I've heard claims that Mao provided the majority of the DPRK's troops, at the start of the conflict. 50,000-70,000 Ethnic Koreans from China. Veteran troops that fought for the PLA, in the Chinese civil war, along with their arms. And these were decisive in the invasion.

    It should be emphasized that DPRK is anything but a PRC vassal, the relationship is more like PRC-USSR during Cold War when it was clearly not an inseparable bloc.
     
    I agree. But in a very loose way, the Korean peninsula is a microcosm, with the North being a closer model to China and the South being closer model to America. It's by no means a perfect comparison, but what makes it interesting is that it removes some of the other variables.

    SK, at present, doesn't seen to be doing well. And I'm not sure that will change with Yoon trying to draw closer to the US.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Remember incels have propelled Yoon to power.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    But I don't see him as a revolutionary figure. I think he may give them some anti-feminist lip service, but not do much else.

    What do you prognosticate for the Koreas?

  763. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    ominous sign for the Americanization of humanities departments in Europe.
     
    There may be some parallelism, when it comes to the economic/political model of multicult rot, but textually I perceive European fingerprints on this. Sic semper tyrannis is the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia. In the US, Mussolini (mentioned by Reitz-Joosse elsewhere) is a Z-list celebrity compared to Hitler.

    I'd argue that universities are the political bastion of feminism. Lots of resources up for grabs, no requirements for utility. The inflow of youth masks its fundamental bare-womb nature, that would otherwise be apparent in wrinkled spinsterism.

    Universities need to be nuked. Same problem in SK.

    BTW, I'd like to adduce Reitz-Joosse as a demonstration of the utility of my idea to reform surnames, in order to increase their informational power. (Hyphenated names are currently the most informative taxon of surnames, but we could create even better categories, by giving people new names.)

    I'd also like to set the Victorian ethnologists on such people (with hyphenated names) to study their characteristics.

    Replies: @German_reader

    but textually I perceive European fingerprints on this.

    I think it’s US-inspired, because there were all those articles in recent years about how the alt-right tried to appropriate antiquity (iirc Mark Zuckerberg’s sister Donna even dedicated an entire journal to questions of this sort, Sailer had some posts about this). Sic semper tyrannis is meaningless to Europeans, but obviously has a certain resonance in the US, not least because of its association with Lincoln’s assassination.
    I agree about universities.

  764. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @Coconuts

    There are riots now in Napoleon's birthplace, Corsica.

    It seems as if a prominent separatist experienced some anarcho-tyranny and was killed by a Muslim while in jail (for a previous assassination), for "insulting Muhammad."

    Supposedly, Paris is floating the idea of autonomy, if they stop the violence. Of course, autonomy has questionable utility, unless you can control the borders.
    ____
    I've heard Le Pen has gone woke.

    But I rather like Zemmour's idea to appoint a minister of remigration and to seize the French houses of African leaders, if they don't cooperate. It is not really different to what has been done with Russians.

    I guess Zemmour has to be careful with his rhetoric, but I would like him to propose building wooden gliders and filling them with Africans and towing them, regardless of nationality, to land on the outskirts of the capital of the most uncooperative country. With arms that unlock, when the glider lands.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    I’ve heard Le Pen has gone woke.

    She made a number of attempts to appeal to the Davos Elites and their media puppets. Not only was this futile, it offended the Populists.

    Despite being “archived” Guillaume Durocher is posting articles in the run up to the election.

    https://www.unz.com/author/guillaume-durocher/

    Polls are always wrong, but the gap is extremely large. It looks like the incredibly weak and unreliable Le Pen will get the #2 run off slot instead of Zemmour. I suspect that lack of trust will result in vocal refusal to turnout for her in the run off.

    Most likely outcome – An unconvincing Macron “win” with low total votes.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: songbird
  765. @German_reader
    @songbird


    I guess Zemmour has to be careful with his rhetoric
     
    He actually seems to be pretty explicit, from what I've read, and yet still has a major media presence, so isn't totally ostracized and excluded from public debate. I can't imagine the same in Britain or Germany for anybody talking about demographic change the way he does.
    France has often been a political trend-setter for Europe, so maybe this indicates something. Or maybe not.

    Replies: @songbird

    I can’t imagine the same in Britain or Germany for anybody talking about demographic change the way he does.

    Weren’t there raids in Germany a while ago to arrest people who insulted politicians online, or something?

    In Canada, the state subsidizes the papers, and the whole process is pretty obfuscated.

    France has often been a political trend-setter for Europe, so maybe this indicates something. Or maybe not.

    I wonder how much of that relates specifically to Zemmour, as a personality.

    Of course, I’ve wondered at times, whether the French system of not keeping statistics is better. It’s pretty disturbing to see the advertising that accompanies a census campaign. Especially, in America, but, I think anywhere.

    I like Zemmour’s rhetoric but am not hopeful of his chances.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Weren’t there raids in Germany a while ago to arrest people who insulted politicians online, or something?
     
    Oh yeah, they regularly have such large-scale operations where they're doing house searches for "hate speech" offenders, confiscating their computers, smartphones etc. imo it's just intimidation, but hey, it's the freest and bestest Germany ever, only Nazis would complain.

    I like Zemmour’s rhetoric but am not hopeful of his chances.
     
    I don't think he's got a chance of winning, but still somewhat encouraging that these issues are at least able to be discussed somewhat openly in France.
  766. @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    Remember incels have propelled Yoon to power.

    Replies: @songbird

    But I don’t see him as a revolutionary figure. I think he may give them some anti-feminist lip service, but not do much else.

    What do you prognosticate for the Koreas?

  767. @Yellowface Anon
    @Yellowface Anon

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-democratic-senate-candidate-us-versus-china-ad

    The speed of Dems pivoting to a Trumpist China-bashing stance is amazing (not to A123).

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Yeah, I noticed the beginnings of this even during Trump’s presidency. In the beginning of the term, reliably neo-liberal outlets like NPR had derision for Trump’s combative China views. By the end of his term they were pretty much parroting his position.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    So far Blinken frames it as "holding China accountable" and a matter of containment than Trumpist belligerence, but (perhaps egged on by Trumpists or particularly being from the same soil as Trumpism) a growing number of Dems are actually using Trumpist rhetoric. it will take a major incident "by" China (after long-standing and dialed-up provocations) for it to be the consensus.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @A123

  768. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    I can’t imagine the same in Britain or Germany for anybody talking about demographic change the way he does.
     
    Weren't there raids in Germany a while ago to arrest people who insulted politicians online, or something?

    In Canada, the state subsidizes the papers, and the whole process is pretty obfuscated.


    France has often been a political trend-setter for Europe, so maybe this indicates something. Or maybe not.
     
    I wonder how much of that relates specifically to Zemmour, as a personality.

    Of course, I've wondered at times, whether the French system of not keeping statistics is better. It's pretty disturbing to see the advertising that accompanies a census campaign. Especially, in America, but, I think anywhere.

    I like Zemmour's rhetoric but am not hopeful of his chances.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Weren’t there raids in Germany a while ago to arrest people who insulted politicians online, or something?

    Oh yeah, they regularly have such large-scale operations where they’re doing house searches for “hate speech” offenders, confiscating their computers, smartphones etc. imo it’s just intimidation, but hey, it’s the freest and bestest Germany ever, only Nazis would complain.

    I like Zemmour’s rhetoric but am not hopeful of his chances.

    I don’t think he’s got a chance of winning, but still somewhat encouraging that these issues are at least able to be discussed somewhat openly in France.

  769. @German_reader
    I was looking for job offers and came upon this gem (under MORE), from the university of Groningen in the Netherlands, about the use of Latin by net extremists, along the lines pioneered by Mark Zuckerberg's sister.


    A doctoral scholarship (4 years) on the role of Latin in digital political communication and a postdoctoral position (18 months) on the role of Latin and/or Ancient Greek under German National Socialism are available at the University of Groningen (Netherlands).
    PhD scholarship (4 years) on "The Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age"

    One PhD Position on the Transnational Politics of Latin in the Digital Age is offered as part of the Young Academy Groningen Interdisciplinary PhD programme (project theme number 2: https://www.rug.nl/phd-scholarships?details=00347-02S00092KP).

    As a PhD scholarship student, you will develop your own research project in consultation with the associated supervisors. You will conduct independent and original academic research and report results via peer-reviewed publications, conference presentations, and ultimately a PhD thesis. The PhD thesis has to be completed within four years. Being part of a cutting-edge research programme, you will receive research training as well as a varied educational training program including transferable skills and future (academic or non-academic) career training for after the PhD trajectory, in the context of our Career Perspective Series.

    Project Description
    What does it mean to use Latin in the 21st century? Latin has long ceased to be spoken as a native language, it is no longer the shared language of European scholars and intellectuals, and even its role within the Catholic church is now comparatively minor. This means that using Latin now represents a particular choice, a choice which can be meaningful and significant. The messages which the use of Latin can convey can be extremely varied: for example, Latin is able to convey a sense of general intellectual authority (as in legal or medical discourse), to create an aura of mystery, or to underline a claim to a supposedly prestigious western intellectual heritage. Latin can also suggest military might or imperial ambitions through its evocation of the Roman empire, or create a link to mythical medieval societies among extreme-right groups (e.g. the use of crusader motto ‘Deus Vult’ by white supremacists in the US).
    In this project, we aim to investigate the use of the Latin language in current online political discourse: for example, the use of well-known Latin phrases like sic semper tyrannis as hashtags or in social media posts. Why are large numbers of people using a ‘dead’ language when discussing politics online? What ideas about tradition, class, race, religion or power does their choice of Latin convey? How do such ideas travel: transnationally, between political orientations, between media? And what does this tell us about how contemporary political discourse operates? The novelty of this project lies: (1) in focusing on Latin itself as a communicative tool and symbol in modern political speech; (2) in the inclusion of the kinds of political discourse that are not often taken seriously or studied by scholars, but which we now know to be crucial in spreading (potentially extreme) political ideas (e.g. internet fora, Facebook or Twitter posts); (3) in offering a new approach towards understanding the transnational circulation of political discourse and its importance for group identity through the systematic examination of the use of Latin - a language not exclusively associated with any specific country.
    The PhD candidate will design a project which combines a global analysis of this large-scale phenomenon with in-depth interpretation of individual instances. Given that this is a project aiming to break new ground on an underexplored phenomenon, the selected PhD candidate will have significant room to define the relevant approaches to the topic based on their interests and expertise. Potentially relevant angles on this topic include, but are not limited to: reception studies, politics of memory, political discourse in social media, far-right politics, construction of transnational identities or the circulation of political ideas. Applicants are encouraged to check the project website for some examples of Latin phrases used on social media: https://usesoflatin.wordpress.com/

    Supervisors:
    Dr. Bettina Reitz-Joosse (Latin Language and Literature - Faculty of Arts) and Dr. Julia Costa Lopez (International Relations - Faculty of Arts)
    Prospective applicants are strongly encouraged to contact the supervisors ([email protected] and [email protected]) for further details and clarifications on the research project and on the application process.

    Qualifications
    The ideal candidate will have:
    - a background in either social sciences (e.g. international relations, political science, media studies) or humanities (e.g. classics, history, modern literature), as well as an affinity for the respective other
    - at least a basic knowledge of Latin
    - very good reading knowledge of at least two modern languages besides English
    - excellent written/spoken English
    - knowledge of and/or interest in the digital humanities.

    Organisation
    The University of Groningen is a comprehensive research university with a global outlook, deeply rooted in Groningen, City of Talent. Quality has been our top priority for over four hundred years, and with success: the University is currently in or around the top 100 on several influential ranking lists.
    The Young Academy Groningen (YAG), established in 2016, is an organization that brings together the most enthusiastic, positive and ambitious young researchers from diverse academic backgrounds. Our aim is to support the development of interdisciplinary research initiatives. To facilitate this, each year we have three PhD Scholarship positions available to help foster interdisciplinary collaborations amongst YAG members.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Coconuts, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    It sounds like they have already decided what is going on any why. It sounds like just a wankery sinecure to “study” the phenomenon for four years when clearly the outcome is predetermined.

    “Latin is White Supremacist hate speech.”

    There, I just saved them a lot of time and effort.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    I heard a scholar on an obscure occult podcast a couple of years ago claiming that the Latin holdings in European libraries are a ticking atomic bomb to upend the entire fields of history and religious studies. I forget who it was but it might have been somebody at U. Amsterdam--they are doing extremely interesting things right now. The vast majority of the culture was way behind the whole French atheists encyclopedists -> Darwin -> Big Bang -> DNA explains everything worth explaining and modern research tools like computer text search &c have never been applied en masse to this trove.

    This book is amazing:

    https://www.amazon.com/Esotericism-Academy-Rejected-Knowledge-Western-dp-1107680972/

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  770. @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    Yeah, I noticed the beginnings of this even during Trump's presidency. In the beginning of the term, reliably neo-liberal outlets like NPR had derision for Trump's combative China views. By the end of his term they were pretty much parroting his position.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    So far Blinken frames it as “holding China accountable” and a matter of containment than Trumpist belligerence, but (perhaps egged on by Trumpists or particularly being from the same soil as Trumpism) a growing number of Dems are actually using Trumpist rhetoric. it will take a major incident “by” China (after long-standing and dialed-up provocations) for it to be the consensus.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

    But sure, Blinken frames it as "holding China accountable", whatever that is supposed to mean. It's no secret that the powers that be in Washington have embraced great powers conflict as the paradigm since The War on Terror has lost it's existential zing.

    It seems very easy to get people lined up behind whatever the current push is, even if it does induce some whiplash. The same institutions and people benefit whether it's rural Republicans riled up against the "towel heads" or urban Democrats "standing with the Uighurs" against autocratic China. #OurValues.

    Certainly Trump had a belligerent attitude, but my overall impression has been that the change in administrations has been one more of style than substance in regards to China.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    , @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    So far Blinken frames it as “holding China accountable” and a matter of containment than Trumpist belligerence, but (perhaps egged on by Trumpists or particularly being from the same soil as Trumpism) a growing number of Dems are actually using Trumpist rhetoric.
     
    MAGA imposed restrictions on the CCP for two very good reasons:

    -1- Creating domestic U.S. sources for national security essential materials and products.
    -2- Penalizing destabilization of the Middle East (and the planet) by funneling money to Iran that wound up in sociopath Khamenei's terror operations.

    Not-The-President Biden's illegitimate reign wants to undercut these rational goals. Look at the JCPOA2 total surrender operation.

    The current regime is trapped by its own Orwellian indoctrination operation. Their dogmatic base has total spiritual and mental commitment to the mythical "Russia, Russia, Russia" conspiracy. To the extent that the CCP closes ranks with Putin, irreversible Orwellian mental programming requires inclusion of China in the "Russia, Russia, Russia" sanctions.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  771. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    only of some of the non systemic celebrities
     
    She was systemic. But I suppose she was too individualistic and may have needed a more comfortable environment. I remember watching her interview with Shulman, right on the night of the invasion, where Shulman straight up told her, it's over for our comforts and we'll have to adapt. I remember watching that and thinking "Oh my, how are these two fancy barishnyas going to handle this?". The next day I read that Ksyusha had bailed.



    Probably they can host similar social events in only Caribbean or such tropical places nowadays.
     
    I know what type of women usually frequent these Russian (or rather ethnically diverse, let's put it that way) events -- women who prioritize their appearance. They might want to be careful in places such as the Caribbean, it's a different environment there than Europe (there are sex crimes). I don't want to diss the Caribbean, but that's what I've heard from women who went there (too much unwanted attention).

    Celebrities like Pugacheva
     
    She has a property in LV, too. Not sure if she will be able to visit now.

    Israel though is not very useful from perspective of people who want not even citizenship, but an external passport.
     
    It's not the passport / visiting that I'm interested, I'm more interested in how they combine a secular lifestyle with high birth rates & female conscription. I'm very curious as to how this affects the relationship dynamics between men & women. Basically, how they pull it off. Granted, I'm aware that only something like 50-60% of the women serve, but still. The Baltic States need to become like a Northern Israel, so it would be interesting to learn about these internal dynamics.

    It's also well known that the Israelis are willing and able to avenge every single Jewish person that is killed or hurt. Mossad will chase the transgressors around the world.

    We won't be issuing tourist visas to Russian citizens in the foreseeable future, so unless you have some other kind of document besides a Russian passport, it might be a long time.

    Yandex, it wants to move 800 of its workers (this is quite large amount in the industry, as there are quite small skilled workforces) to Israel as a sanctions avoidance strategy.
     
    This is a tough question, since it would be unacceptable to evade the sanctions, but also very tempting to absorb Russian talent. Most of the Yandex hipsters are most likely anti-war anyway.


    Of course, everything could and must have been peacefully resolved with Ukraine, even if Crimea should have been transferred (or purchased)
     
    Not just Ukraine, all of us. But for Ukraine, it is interesting that this Sobchak's interview shows how difficult it was to split up the heritage of the Soviet Union. Should the Ukrainians not have been given credit for helping build the Soviet military industry, including the Black Sea flotilla? Men from all republics contributed.

    Arvo Pärt Centre has this aesthetics of trying to integrate with the forest.
     
    We won't be issuing tourist visas to Russian citizens in the foreseeable future, so unless you have some other kind of a document besides a Russian passport, it might be a long time.

    I like that concept and the scenery in this center (similar to my home town). One way to do this is to have a large window and the trees right next to it or a balcony where you can see the tops of pine trees. Might be nice to sit there and play cello. However, this particular place, as is so common with Estonian architecture, is way too minimalistic and plain for my taste. This is even more minimalistic than normal Nordic style, because that style at least features more white painted tree furniture and more interior items.

    Although this might be smart... if Russian marauders come, there will be nothing to take. Everything of value is in one's head and in the atmosphere. Only some books or note paper to help burn the bodies.

    What I had in mind is a real detached country household, tucked in lush deciduous trees & bushes, with several buildings, a couple of gardens & a large storage space combined with a bunker. Although, to be frank, nobody's going to bomb on the country side anyway, bunkers will be more useful in the city & the surrounding suburbs.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    be careful in places such as the Caribbean

    Russia’s only tank manufacturer, was hosting summer parties for oligarchs and politicians in Monaco/Côte d’Azur . I’m sure they would be able to pay for security if they have to move their parties to Caribbean, after all they will have even a lot more funding from the budget to replace lost vehicles after a “special operation”, than without it.

    Most of the Yandex hipsters are most likely anti-war anyway.

    Owner/founder of Yandex is Arkady Volozh. He is also an Israeli citizen and he lives in Israel for the last 5 years. According to Israeli media, he works like an ordinary hipster at “WeWork Sarona” in Tel Aviv, where people don’t recognize him.

    Still, I wouldn’t guess Yandex has pre-existing plan, before the “special operation”, to move so many employees to Israel.

    It seems moving suddenly moving so many engineers to Israel, would just be sanctions avoiding. Its servers would still be in Russia. Although, I can’t say I understand anything about sanctions avoiding so I could be wrong.

    It seems like Yandex has half a foot in Israel for a few years now. Their “data school” is based in Israel. It looks like a modest project, but probably with their best nerds. From their student meeting media, I can’t see Volozh there, but CEO Elena Bunina there and teaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnFsVGMsQw.

    if Russian marauders come, there will be nothing to take. Everything of value is in one’s head and in the atmosphere. Only some books or note paper to help burn the bodies.

    Fortunately, I think all this dream of invading the Baltics, by Suwalki gap, became increasingly implausible in the last month. Even though its public expression, becomes more common.

    For example, Russian air force doesn’t have targeting pod technology. It can only attack fixed targets. For ground support against moving targets, it has use of vulnerable helicopters and Su-25, with unguided weapons.

    On the other hand, Suwalki gap, would be defended with the Polish Air Force, which have sniper targeting pods for their recently installed F-16s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_Advanced_Targeting_Pod So, Poland would be able to destroy the moving ground forces, from the air, while the reverse would not be possible.

    There is something typical, where the government becomes very good in marketing, while the country loses its engineering (especially electronic engineering, more or less completely lost). Marketing can substitute for engineering, until you actually have to complete the task you promised, and then you need to actually do the real work.

    If your marketing is too good, the more gullible politicians are tricked by starting to believe it. But this is one of the feedback loops in Russia. And it was not only for Zhirinovsky who talks about invading Ukraine, but never talked about the fact air force does not even have targeting pods.

    owever, this particular place, as is so common with Estonian architecture, is way too minimalistic and plain

    It’s more like his office, library and school. He lives in a normal, minimalist apartment in a historical area of Tallinn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ws6nJt-0c. He is a minimalist composer though and his apartment has empty walls.

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Still, I wouldn’t guess Yandex has pre-existing plan, before the “special operation”, to move so many employees to Israel.
     
    Well, they had distributed teams even before this, maybe now it is coming handy. Relocating so many people at once is a huge endeavor (families, pets, etc).

    Btw, Elena Bunina's father lived in Latvia, he went there with the Soviet army and stayed there (I don't want to know under what circumstances). Israel has a great tech scene and more Jewish women are tech leaders than gentile women, it seems, although I'm not sure if she's directly leading data scientists & engineers, or if she's more of a GM.


    Fortunately, I think all this dream of invading the Baltics, by Suwalki gap, became increasingly implausible in the last month.
     
    Yes, I'm very well aware of that, the Ukrainian soldier is defending the Baltic States right now.

    Even though its public expression, becomes more common
     
    .

    Yes, the vatniks have fallen into an animalistic rage in the last few weeks, most of the hate is directed towards Ukrainians, though. They shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Baltic people.

    This is worse than it's ever been, this must be the worst event I've seen in my life.

    You, and Elena and others are, of course, in a completely different stratosphere than the vatniks.
    Have you heard of the one Chichvarkin, Russian expat businessman who has a wine shop in London? He's on the Ukrainian TV a lot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itjcCIccArM


    Marketing can substitute for engineering, until you actually have to complete the task you promised, and then you need to actually do the real work.
     
    That's very well put although I would never be frivolous about Russia as an enemy. Putin will do everything in his ability to not lose to Ukraine. He's aware of the consequences.

    He lives in a normal, minimalist apartment in a historical area of Tallinn
     
    That fits with his persona and artistic outlook so that's harmonious and in good taste. Although living in the old city can be a bit luxurious in it's own way (I know it pretty well).

    I like something with more detail, such as these lofts with Japanese Bonsai trees:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWxR2G6DemM

    Replies: @Dmitry

  772. @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    So far Blinken frames it as "holding China accountable" and a matter of containment than Trumpist belligerence, but (perhaps egged on by Trumpists or particularly being from the same soil as Trumpism) a growing number of Dems are actually using Trumpist rhetoric. it will take a major incident "by" China (after long-standing and dialed-up provocations) for it to be the consensus.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @A123

    We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

    But sure, Blinken frames it as “holding China accountable”, whatever that is supposed to mean. It’s no secret that the powers that be in Washington have embraced great powers conflict as the paradigm since The War on Terror has lost it’s existential zing.

    It seems very easy to get people lined up behind whatever the current push is, even if it does induce some whiplash. The same institutions and people benefit whether it’s rural Republicans riled up against the “towel heads” or urban Democrats “standing with the Uighurs” against autocratic China. #OurValues.

    Certainly Trump had a belligerent attitude, but my overall impression has been that the change in administrations has been one more of style than substance in regards to China.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    The thing is civilizational (many holding that grudge feels it like it's racial), explicitly or implicitly. Even when China does everything better than the Guizi now or 20 years later, the cope and seethe are going to stay, because FASCIST COMMIE IMPERIALIST AUTOCRATIC UNCULTURED GENOCIDIAL CHINAMEN SLAVES.

    It makes some sense to White men, but the strangest thing about it is the feeling being even widespread among the Taiwanese who see themselves as a different ethnicity from the Fujianese across the strait. In the impossible chance that the Taiwanese "ROC" "reconquered" China, they'd impose themselves like Brahmins over the subjugated "slave" masses.

    They screech whenever they see positive depictions of the Chinese in pop culture, and dig up every allusion "insulting China", then meme about it. Quite a stupid (sub)national past time if you ask me.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  773. @AaronB
    As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living, I have recently begun consuming raw milk and raw dairy items (unpasteurized).

    Annoyingly, our nanny state government makes the purchase of raw milk from stores illegal. This means that we sad Americans have long been denied the full glory of true Normandy Brie and Camambert cheese, which is properly made from raw milk for full deliciousness.

    But raw milk is supposed to contain lots of brobiotics and bacteria that hugely promote health. But of course New Yorkers are nothing if not resourceful, and through a complicated legal loophole one can easily obtain raw milk by joining a co-op that gives you "ownership" of the farms for a negligible fee.

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly. The milk is amazing! At 6.3% fat it's higher in fat than regular whole milk in America, which is 4%, and is sweeter and fresher than any milk I have tasted.

    The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore :)

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don't die soon, I will let you all know how it goes :)

    But mostly, I do not do this for health, but I am doing this primarily for spiritual reasons - by consuming highly processed and unnatural products, I am implicitly affirming a world view that I no longer wish to affirm.

    In Indian Buddhism and I believe Hindu culture in general, milk and dairy have a special status of excellence and nobility as foods - I beginning to see why!

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Colin Wright, @silviosilver

    If you like the taste, then enjoy. But it’s not such a “natural” food, in the sense it has only been in human food supply for <240 generations, with introduction of dairy farming technology.

    What the health implications would be? Who knows (.

    But you know the popular theory, from the experiments with fruit flies, where giving fruit flies diet which they have eaten <1000 generations, results in worse average health for the older flies, although younger flies are more adapted to more recent (almost another way to say, “less natural”) diet.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    Although, to be fair, when speaking of our modern human diet I think that the relative novelty (on a nearly geologic timescale) of milk is probably the least of our worries.

    If milk can have downsides, the Doritos and Mountain Dew must surely be killing us outright!

    , @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    I know some extreme Paleo types basically think humans should only be eating meat and vegetables, but I am not so extreme.

    My very simple heuristic is that returning to the way we ate before say 1850 - although I am not committed to this precise number - would create a significant increase in human vitality. Plenty of human groups flourished on a diet of raw dairy products in historical times.

    It was during the Boer War that the British first began to notice a drastic decline in the physical fitness of it's rank and file soldiers and grew seriously alarmed, and many modern methods of food processing were invented during this time (although the upper classes still ate exceptionally well along traditional lines, and Barbara Tuchman in her fascinating book about the 19th century records the immense vitality and energy of the aristocracy, who would often walk for 30 miles a day or even more, and during this period in Britain the upper classes were marked by being significantly taller than the lower).

    George Orwell observed that after the first world war he no longer saw the same robust and dashing physiques he remembered from his childhood in large numbers, mainly along the upper officer class.. He thought the war had killed them off, but that seems unlikely.

    Now that I have made walking for ten hours a day over rough terrain in the wilderness a significant - and hopefully growing - part of my life, I can no longer deny the huge impact diet has on my stamina and general vitality. It's easier to not notice that in the city.

    I simply feel so much better on a "natural" diet. I have energy and want to move every day, whereas eating a modern diet makes me sedentary - perhaps that isn't a coincidence, as the modern workplace demands a sedentary life. And I was already eating more naturally and healthy than the average American, who I can only imagine how poorly they feel on a daily basis.

    But finally and most importantly, while spiritual health and physical health are deeply connected my primary goal here is spiritual rejection of modern "artificiality", and my goal is to affirm a more connected and cooperative attitude to Nature and God - not merely be healthy.

    Lately I have begun to realize that many areas of my life are not consistent - or not as much as I'd like - with my spiritual ideals, and am undertaking an overhaul of my lifestyle to greatly enrich my spirituality.

    Everything is connected, and what you eat cannot not have an impact on you spiritually.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  774. A123 says: • Website

    For those who deny the Soros-Zelenzky connection. (1)

    Orban, fresh from winning a fourth term as prime minister in Sunday’s election, said his party was victorious despite facing interference from left-wing forces at home and “opponents” around the world, including Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and billionaire political activist George Soros.

    “We have such a victory, it can be seen from the Moon, but it’s sure that it can be seen from Brussels,” Orban told supporters on Sunday night, alluding to his party’s clashes with EU leaders. “We will remember this victory until the end of our lives because we had to fight against a huge amount of opponents.”

    Those forces included not only Hungary’s own opposition parties, he said, but also “Brussels bureaucrats, the Soros empire – with all its money – the international mainstream media, and in the end, even the Ukrainian president. We never had so many opponents at the same time.”

    Orban had to go to RT to get the TRUTH out. This shows how enthusiastically the Fake Stream Media undermines democracy in service to their WEF authoritarian pay masters.
    ___

    Here is why WEF Elites are not concerned with the rape-ugees that threaten ordinary citizens.

     

     

    I thought SJW’s were against assault rifles? I guess it is different when they get to point them *at* voters.

     

     

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.rt.com/news/553246-orban-soros-zelensky-opponents/

  775. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    It sounds like they have already decided what is going on any why. It sounds like just a wankery sinecure to "study" the phenomenon for four years when clearly the outcome is predetermined.

    "Latin is White Supremacist hate speech."

    There, I just saved them a lot of time and effort.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I heard a scholar on an obscure occult podcast a couple of years ago claiming that the Latin holdings in European libraries are a ticking atomic bomb to upend the entire fields of history and religious studies. I forget who it was but it might have been somebody at U. Amsterdam–they are doing extremely interesting things right now. The vast majority of the culture was way behind the whole French atheists encyclopedists -> Darwin -> Big Bang -> DNA explains everything worth explaining and modern research tools like computer text search &c have never been applied en masse to this trove.

    This book is amazing:

    https://www.amazon.com/Esotericism-Academy-Rejected-Knowledge-Western-dp-1107680972/

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Sorry, the link to the book is dead. Try again?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  776. A123 says: • Website
    @AaronB
    @A123

    Those are good points.

    I'd say SJW would be a classic left hemisphere phenomenon, with it's obsession with a completely abstract and logical "equality" that ignores empirical real world differences, and especially it's obsession with "equal outcomes" - the desire to reduce everyone to a logical sameness without concrete differences.

    Also, the idea that each race must be represented on every movie because a movie based in medieval Europe must nevertheless"look like today's America" etc.

    It's sort of like what an "abstract map" of justice someone suffering from autism - a classic right hemisphere deficit malady - might come up with if he couldn't understand emotion and empirical reality.

    So I'd see the two trends as different arms of the same phenomenon converging. Humanities and arts being captured by left hemisphere thinking while at the same time STEM undergoing a massive upgrade in prestige such that it's practically the only activity still considered high prestige in the West and the main factor in the economy.


    The best STEM professionals actually are often very good “right brain”. Finding a new pattern amongst piles of data is an intuitive and essential feature of break thru research. This is why U.S. schools remain the best in Engineering & Science versus those in Asia that emphasize STEM grinding rather than cultivating creative thinking.
     
    That is true, our best geniuses always had a lot of right hemisphere thinking, as creativity is literally impossible to the left hemisphere.

    But as we move more to a purely left hemisphere dominant culture, it's obvious that genius has been in significant, rapid, and probably terminal decline across the world.

    And the bureaucratic and legalist left hemisphere cognitive style that now dominates is actively hostile to originality and creativity.

    Do we have an advantage over Asia? It seems to me we have for some time stopped creating anything new and are just extending existing ideas into all domains of life.

    Uber and Airbnb are just the logical extension of existing paradigms - but it's extremely notable that there is no "paradigm work" being done whatsoever. No "higher level" thinking being done at all.

    It's all rather trivial extensions of existing technology and trends.

    I was thinking the other day of how weird our times are when China bases it's claim to superiority on it's willingness to apply existing systems of pandemic control - which even if you think is a good thing, is not exactly earth shaking - and is about bureaucratic social control rather than creativity, ingenuity, discovery, or even just skillfulness. It just depends on a certain disposition in the populace and a certain ruthlessness in the government.

    Uber and Facebook and the like also strike me more as successful "social phenomena" more than scientific triumphs, if I think about it.

    This is what a left hemisphere dominated world brings.

    Incidentally, China's leaders are engineers - bad things, I am afraid, are in it's future (although it's already bad with the massive surveillance and control, and dedication to "utility").

    The problem now is global, and increasingly minute differences in different world regions don't seem to affect the overall picture that much.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @A123, @A123

    As a supplemental follow up.

    Here is what Governor DeSantis is launching in Florida: (1)

    The University of Florida is set to receive $3 million to establish its Hamilton Center for Classical and Civic Education.

    “The purpose of the center is to support teaching and research concerning the ideas, traditions, and texts that form the foundations of western and American civilization,” the amendment to Florida’s SB 2524 reads, granting the authorization to the public university.

    These goals are to “Educate university students in core texts and great debates of Western civilization; Educate university students in the principles, ideals and institutions of the American political order; Educate university students in the foundations of responsible leadership and informed citizenship; Provide programming and training related to civic education and the values of open inquiry and civil discourse to support the K-20 system.

    While vastly better than no action. This does not address the undeniable fact — Entire “Grievance Studies” Departments need 100% replacement or elimination.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://campusreform.org/article?id=19293

  777. @utu
    "Yet boiling milk was never “discovered” as necessary for safety despite it being a part of other recipes." - Because women were breast feeding for long time and raw milk was not given to infants. Because some diseases from raw milk like TB took long time to kill you. Because women had 10-12 children of which 30% died anyway before the age of 5. Because they did not know statistics and longitudinal studies with a control group.

    While there is good argument that eating raw milk provides bacteria that are good for you to strengthen one's immune system and reduce 'sterility of flora in ones gut' that may lead to allergies and asthma down the road the risks of diseases from raw milk contaminants is very high. Particularly for children. Tens of millions of lives were saved when milk pasteurization was introduced.

    When a city dwelling Jew discovers the benefits of eating raw milk or sleeping on hay in a barn and then begins to extoll it as the greatest thing since the sliced bread I can't help but think of ignoramuses neophytes like Monsieur Jourdain's amazement upon learning that he spoke prose all his life.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Dmitry

    I didn’t know about a raw milk fashion among the bourgeoisie, but it seems to be supported after Google search.

    I remember reading years ago, how oat milk was the most popular drink in Brooklyn. But nowadays, oat milk is in most supermarkets everywhere.

    Apparently, for English status signaling connoisseurs, not only raw milk, but in glass bottles, and from “land Robert Burns farmed in the 1700s”. https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/sep/21/dairy-farmers-turn-back-clock-customers-take-fresh-look-at-milk

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry


    I remember reading years ago, how oat milk was the most popular drink in Brooklyn.
     
    Must be a pretty low level of lactose tolerance in NYC in 2022.

    I wonder what they drink in schools, where milk used to be an American staple.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    Oat milk...pshaw. A silly drink.

    But anyhow, I was going to mention to utu that I do partially agree with him in that there can be an insufferable bourgeoisie preciousness to some of the food virtue signalling. There are a lot of stupid marketing ploys and pretension, but then again this is true with most things.

    It does take extra care to produce a milk worthy of being consumed raw. This is better for the cow, produces better income for the farmer, and better taste (or at least it should if done correctly) for the drinker. If it sometimes gets imbued with certain silly pretensions and snobbery then it is at least far from the worst use of the excess riches of the well heeled. So, while I may cringe, I will forgive some incidental silliness.

    For what it's worth, I have friend who is a relatively small (by modern standards) organic dairyman and who also sells the raw milk off the farm. The bulk prices he's getting are absolutely murder, especially with all his costs skyrocketing in this economy. The only reason he can keep afloat is from the direct raw milk sales and their farm store. And he is a resourceful, efficient, and relatively debt free individual, yet he is getting squeezed from every side on the commodity market where he has no control. It's really bad for him and every other dairy farmer I talk to. If they can make a better living selling quality direct to customer then I say more power to them.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  778. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    So far Blinken frames it as "holding China accountable" and a matter of containment than Trumpist belligerence, but (perhaps egged on by Trumpists or particularly being from the same soil as Trumpism) a growing number of Dems are actually using Trumpist rhetoric. it will take a major incident "by" China (after long-standing and dialed-up provocations) for it to be the consensus.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @A123

    So far Blinken frames it as “holding China accountable” and a matter of containment than Trumpist belligerence, but (perhaps egged on by Trumpists or particularly being from the same soil as Trumpism) a growing number of Dems are actually using Trumpist rhetoric.

    MAGA imposed restrictions on the CCP for two very good reasons:

    -1- Creating domestic U.S. sources for national security essential materials and products.
    -2- Penalizing destabilization of the Middle East (and the planet) by funneling money to Iran that wound up in sociopath Khamenei’s terror operations.

    Not-The-President Biden’s illegitimate reign wants to undercut these rational goals. Look at the JCPOA2 total surrender operation.

    The current regime is trapped by its own Orwellian indoctrination operation. Their dogmatic base has total spiritual and mental commitment to the mythical “Russia, Russia, Russia” conspiracy. To the extent that the CCP closes ranks with Putin, irreversible Orwellian mental programming requires inclusion of China in the “Russia, Russia, Russia” sanctions.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @A123


    -2- Penalizing destabilization of the Middle East (and the planet) by funneling money to Iran that wound up in sociopath Khamenei’s terror operations.
     
    1) is of course, economic nationalism, which is good in itself. But why would you want to regime change Iran? Many Iranians have genuine faith and are invested on the Iranian civilizational project. They aren't very different from the Christian nationalism you espouse, except they build their nationalism on a Shia Islam base. It's like railing against Putin's Russia. What do you want after regime changing Iran, restoring the Shah and forceful reconversion to Zoroastrianism? You only hate Islam and their fecundity, and wishes to re-Christianize them.

    If you want to punish states that caused massive misery in the world, then the US must be punished too, for their support of Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and destabilization of Yeltsin's Russia that propelled Putin into power.

    Not-The-President Biden’s illegitimate reign wants to undercut these rational goals. Look at the JCPOA2 total surrender operation.
     
    Brandon is not hurrying to rejoin JCPOA except to stabilize the energy market after stigmatizing Russian oil and gas. He'd better abandon Green dogma and massively expand fracking & nuclear energy, and maybe a 2nd Trump term would have done it.

    To the extent that the CCP closes ranks with Putin, irreversible Orwellian mental programming requires inclusion of China in the “Russia, Russia, Russia” sanctions.
     
    Sinophobia fills into the hole USSR left for the US. Certainly Dem Russophobia will transfer to Sinophobia and stay there, etching it into cultural memory which will last even if CCP was gone. You wish Brandon or Trump can totally cut China off from external trade, like Russia. This is what the sanctions on Russia is mainly for, as the model against China. You might get your wish, I don't hope so, but it would destroy the West before it had a chance to reindustrialize, like how import-substitution is hastily done in Russia. And ironic if you condition it on "CCP closing ranks with Putin" - do you hate Putin by implication, and placing him among the ranks of Khamenei? Prepare to be roasted by the Putinoids here.

    Replies: @A123

  779. @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    If you like the taste, then enjoy. But it's not such a "natural" food, in the sense it has only been in human food supply for <240 generations, with introduction of dairy farming technology.

    What the health implications would be? Who knows (.

    But you know the popular theory, from the experiments with fruit flies, where giving fruit flies diet which they have eaten <1000 generations, results in worse average health for the older flies, although younger flies are more adapted to more recent (almost another way to say, "less natural") diet.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @AaronB

    Although, to be fair, when speaking of our modern human diet I think that the relative novelty (on a nearly geologic timescale) of milk is probably the least of our worries.

    If milk can have downsides, the Doritos and Mountain Dew must surely be killing us outright!

  780. EU to send investigators to probe alleged war crimes in Ukraine
    People behind these “heinous crimes” must not go unpunished, EU Commission head has said

    https://www.ebrd.com/news/2022/ebrd-unveils-2-billion-resilience-package-in-response-to-the-war-on-ukraine-.html

  781. @Dmitry
    @utu

    I didn't know about a raw milk fashion among the bourgeoisie, but it seems to be supported after Google search.

    I remember reading years ago, how oat milk was the most popular drink in Brooklyn. But nowadays, oat milk is in most supermarkets everywhere.

    Apparently, for English status signaling connoisseurs, not only raw milk, but in glass bottles, and from "land Robert Burns farmed in the 1700s". https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/sep/21/dairy-farmers-turn-back-clock-customers-take-fresh-look-at-milk

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    I remember reading years ago, how oat milk was the most popular drink in Brooklyn.

    Must be a pretty low level of lactose tolerance in NYC in 2022.

    I wonder what they drink in schools, where milk used to be an American staple.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @songbird

    Recently I was watching YouTube about the new mayor of New York. He wants to have vegan Friday for the children to reduce obesity.

    What they said on YouTube, is FDA rules means they have to give milk in every free meal in New York schools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrVpZyYBuN8.

    I'm wondering if the dairy farmers have bargaining power or some state capture in politics, or if the FDA is just such paternalism.

    Replies: @songbird

  782. @Dmitry
    @utu

    I didn't know about a raw milk fashion among the bourgeoisie, but it seems to be supported after Google search.

    I remember reading years ago, how oat milk was the most popular drink in Brooklyn. But nowadays, oat milk is in most supermarkets everywhere.

    Apparently, for English status signaling connoisseurs, not only raw milk, but in glass bottles, and from "land Robert Burns farmed in the 1700s". https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/sep/21/dairy-farmers-turn-back-clock-customers-take-fresh-look-at-milk

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Oat milk…pshaw. A silly drink.

    But anyhow, I was going to mention to utu that I do partially agree with him in that there can be an insufferable bourgeoisie preciousness to some of the food virtue signalling. There are a lot of stupid marketing ploys and pretension, but then again this is true with most things.

    It does take extra care to produce a milk worthy of being consumed raw. This is better for the cow, produces better income for the farmer, and better taste (or at least it should if done correctly) for the drinker. If it sometimes gets imbued with certain silly pretensions and snobbery then it is at least far from the worst use of the excess riches of the well heeled. So, while I may cringe, I will forgive some incidental silliness.

    For what it’s worth, I have friend who is a relatively small (by modern standards) organic dairyman and who also sells the raw milk off the farm. The bulk prices he’s getting are absolutely murder, especially with all his costs skyrocketing in this economy. The only reason he can keep afloat is from the direct raw milk sales and their farm store. And he is a resourceful, efficient, and relatively debt free individual, yet he is getting squeezed from every side on the commodity market where he has no control. It’s really bad for him and every other dairy farmer I talk to. If they can make a better living selling quality direct to customer then I say more power to them.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    Even the unsweetened oatmilk, is quite sugary. It tastes good with coffee.

    But its health benefit could be more questioned as it has a lot of maltose.

    In terms of the health effect, I've read claims that "casein" in milk reduces the health benefit of tea (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10913-milk-wrecks-the-health-benefits-of-tea/). So, perhaps oat milk would be better than adding real milk to tea.


    milk worthy of being consumed raw. This is better for the cow, produces better income for the farmer, and better taste
     
    Well, better for cows, is not unimportant, if you know those animals.

    One of my relatives is a dairy farmer. I was on their farm only a few times in childhood and dislike intensely, but I used to wait while my cousin has to do tasks with their cows. I remember cows used to be very scared of me. If I touched them, they almost fall over trying to run away.

    But then when people they know are near them, they were friendly. Apparently, all have different personality, they can remember the humans who are kind with them. Some cows are friendly and say "hello", some are shy. I'm not sure they're so different to cats and dogs.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa

  783. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    I heard a scholar on an obscure occult podcast a couple of years ago claiming that the Latin holdings in European libraries are a ticking atomic bomb to upend the entire fields of history and religious studies. I forget who it was but it might have been somebody at U. Amsterdam--they are doing extremely interesting things right now. The vast majority of the culture was way behind the whole French atheists encyclopedists -> Darwin -> Big Bang -> DNA explains everything worth explaining and modern research tools like computer text search &c have never been applied en masse to this trove.

    This book is amazing:

    https://www.amazon.com/Esotericism-Academy-Rejected-Knowledge-Western-dp-1107680972/

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Sorry, the link to the book is dead. Try again?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.amazon.com/Esotericism-Academy-Rejected-Knowledge-Western-dp-1107680972/

    should be:

    https://www.amazon.com/Esotericism-Academy-Rejected-Knowledge-Western-dp-1107680972/dp/1107680972/

    (I chopped off too much of the ref=cfcfgjcfjdfkhgd riff raff from my address bar)

  784. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Sorry, the link to the book is dead. Try again?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.amazon.com/Esotericism-Academy-Rejected-Knowledge-Western-dp-1107680972/

    should be:

    (I chopped off too much of the ref=cfcfgjcfjdfkhgd riff raff from my address bar)

  785. @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

    But sure, Blinken frames it as "holding China accountable", whatever that is supposed to mean. It's no secret that the powers that be in Washington have embraced great powers conflict as the paradigm since The War on Terror has lost it's existential zing.

    It seems very easy to get people lined up behind whatever the current push is, even if it does induce some whiplash. The same institutions and people benefit whether it's rural Republicans riled up against the "towel heads" or urban Democrats "standing with the Uighurs" against autocratic China. #OurValues.

    Certainly Trump had a belligerent attitude, but my overall impression has been that the change in administrations has been one more of style than substance in regards to China.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    The thing is civilizational (many holding that grudge feels it like it’s racial), explicitly or implicitly. Even when China does everything better than the Guizi now or 20 years later, the cope and seethe are going to stay, because FASCIST COMMIE IMPERIALIST AUTOCRATIC UNCULTURED GENOCIDIAL CHINAMEN SLAVES.

    [MORE]

    It makes some sense to White men, but the strangest thing about it is the feeling being even widespread among the Taiwanese who see themselves as a different ethnicity from the Fujianese across the strait. In the impossible chance that the Taiwanese “ROC” “reconquered” China, they’d impose themselves like Brahmins over the subjugated “slave” masses.

    They screech whenever they see positive depictions of the Chinese in pop culture, and dig up every allusion “insulting China”, then meme about it. Quite a stupid (sub)national past time if you ask me.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yellowface Anon


    the Taiwanese who see themselves as a different ethnicity from the Fujianese across the strait
     
    Ethnicity is 100% about identity and 0% about biology. Everyone knows that Taiwanese are genetically identical to Chinese, but that is irrelevant.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  786. @iffen
    @Wizard of Oz

    ignoring the carefully chosen words of the writer, in this case


    History doesn’t have to be used or misused for partisan political purposes.
     
    I didn't ignore it. I just think that your statement has little connection with reality. While it may be true that it doesn't "have to be," it is.

    Replies: @WIzard of Oz

    You may find interest and merit in the book by someone described to me when I got to know him and persuadedhim to accept an honorary doctorate at a university where I had some influence as “the most intelligent socialist in Australia” – bt a decidedly non socialist intellectual.

    Here is a bit of Hugh Stretton’s Wikipedia entry

    The Political Sciences (1969) challenged the growth of positivism and abstraction in political, social, and economic understanding. The book promoted a view of the social sciences as inherently values-based, moral, and practical in nature. It was widely influential locally and internationally. Nmmm

    • Thanks: iffen
  787. @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    The thing is civilizational (many holding that grudge feels it like it's racial), explicitly or implicitly. Even when China does everything better than the Guizi now or 20 years later, the cope and seethe are going to stay, because FASCIST COMMIE IMPERIALIST AUTOCRATIC UNCULTURED GENOCIDIAL CHINAMEN SLAVES.

    It makes some sense to White men, but the strangest thing about it is the feeling being even widespread among the Taiwanese who see themselves as a different ethnicity from the Fujianese across the strait. In the impossible chance that the Taiwanese "ROC" "reconquered" China, they'd impose themselves like Brahmins over the subjugated "slave" masses.

    They screech whenever they see positive depictions of the Chinese in pop culture, and dig up every allusion "insulting China", then meme about it. Quite a stupid (sub)national past time if you ask me.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    the Taiwanese who see themselves as a different ethnicity from the Fujianese across the strait

    Ethnicity is 100% about identity and 0% about biology. Everyone knows that Taiwanese are genetically identical to Chinese, but that is irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Greasy William


    Ethnicity is 100% about identity and 0% about biology. Everyone knows that Taiwanese are genetically identical to Chinese, but that is irrelevant.
     
    It's not irrelevant, since both Taiwan and PRC claim all of "Greater China", precisely on the basis of blood.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  788. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    be careful in places such as the Caribbean

     

    Russia's only tank manufacturer, was hosting summer parties for oligarchs and politicians in Monaco/Côte d'Azur . I'm sure they would be able to pay for security if they have to move their parties to Caribbean, after all they will have even a lot more funding from the budget to replace lost vehicles after a "special operation", than without it.

    Most of the Yandex hipsters are most likely anti-war anyway.

     

    Owner/founder of Yandex is Arkady Volozh. He is also an Israeli citizen and he lives in Israel for the last 5 years. According to Israeli media, he works like an ordinary hipster at "WeWork Sarona" in Tel Aviv, where people don't recognize him.

    Still, I wouldn't guess Yandex has pre-existing plan, before the "special operation", to move so many employees to Israel.

    It seems moving suddenly moving so many engineers to Israel, would just be sanctions avoiding. Its servers would still be in Russia. Although, I can't say I understand anything about sanctions avoiding so I could be wrong.

    It seems like Yandex has half a foot in Israel for a few years now. Their "data school" is based in Israel. It looks like a modest project, but probably with their best nerds. From their student meeting media, I can't see Volozh there, but CEO Elena Bunina there and teaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnFsVGMsQw.


    if Russian marauders come, there will be nothing to take. Everything of value is in one’s head and in the atmosphere. Only some books or note paper to help burn the bodies.
     
    Fortunately, I think all this dream of invading the Baltics, by Suwalki gap, became increasingly implausible in the last month. Even though its public expression, becomes more common.

    For example, Russian air force doesn't have targeting pod technology. It can only attack fixed targets. For ground support against moving targets, it has use of vulnerable helicopters and Su-25, with unguided weapons.

    On the other hand, Suwalki gap, would be defended with the Polish Air Force, which have sniper targeting pods for their recently installed F-16s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_Advanced_Targeting_Pod So, Poland would be able to destroy the moving ground forces, from the air, while the reverse would not be possible.

    There is something typical, where the government becomes very good in marketing, while the country loses its engineering (especially electronic engineering, more or less completely lost). Marketing can substitute for engineering, until you actually have to complete the task you promised, and then you need to actually do the real work.

    If your marketing is too good, the more gullible politicians are tricked by starting to believe it. But this is one of the feedback loops in Russia. And it was not only for Zhirinovsky who talks about invading Ukraine, but never talked about the fact air force does not even have targeting pods.


    owever, this particular place, as is so common with Estonian architecture, is way too minimalistic and plain

     

    It's more like his office, library and school. He lives in a normal, minimalist apartment in a historical area of Tallinn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ws6nJt-0c. He is a minimalist composer though and his apartment has empty walls.

    Replies: @LatW

    Still, I wouldn’t guess Yandex has pre-existing plan, before the “special operation”, to move so many employees to Israel.

    Well, they had distributed teams even before this, maybe now it is coming handy. Relocating so many people at once is a huge endeavor (families, pets, etc).

    [MORE]

    Btw, Elena Bunina’s father lived in Latvia, he went there with the Soviet army and stayed there (I don’t want to know under what circumstances). Israel has a great tech scene and more Jewish women are tech leaders than gentile women, it seems, although I’m not sure if she’s directly leading data scientists & engineers, or if she’s more of a GM.

    Fortunately, I think all this dream of invading the Baltics, by Suwalki gap, became increasingly implausible in the last month.

    Yes, I’m very well aware of that, the Ukrainian soldier is defending the Baltic States right now.

    Even though its public expression, becomes more common

    .

    Yes, the vatniks have fallen into an animalistic rage in the last few weeks, most of the hate is directed towards Ukrainians, though. They shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the Baltic people.

    This is worse than it’s ever been, this must be the worst event I’ve seen in my life.

    You, and Elena and others are, of course, in a completely different stratosphere than the vatniks.
    Have you heard of the one Chichvarkin, Russian expat businessman who has a wine shop in London? He’s on the Ukrainian TV a lot.

    Marketing can substitute for engineering, until you actually have to complete the task you promised, and then you need to actually do the real work.

    That’s very well put although I would never be frivolous about Russia as an enemy. Putin will do everything in his ability to not lose to Ukraine. He’s aware of the consequences.

    He lives in a normal, minimalist apartment in a historical area of Tallinn

    That fits with his persona and artistic outlook so that’s harmonious and in good taste. Although living in the old city can be a bit luxurious in it’s own way (I know it pretty well).

    I like something with more detail, such as these lofts with Japanese Bonsai trees:

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Prokhorov also seems like he is emigrating to Israel, at least to become Israeli citizen and register for internal passport ( https://www.pravda.ru/news/world/1695816-prokhorov ).

    For historical memory, if you remember, Prokhorov presidential campaign and political promotion. Even though it was never serious, even the permissibility of rhetoric, seems now like a utopian relic. I mean, 9,5 years ago, how he was speaking in America.

    If you watch in the video interview
    27:00 -
    32:00

    https://charlierose.com/videos/17647


    although I’m not sure if she’s directly leading data scientists & engineers,
     
    She is a professor at the department of higher algebra at MGU. She is one of only 7 professors there http://halgebra.math.msu.su/wiki/doku.php/shared:staff Her last published papers in group theory was 2019.

    Volozh has recruited her in the company to lead their computer science education program. Then she was HR director and CEO since 2017.

    When she was asking Putin a couple years ago. They have been frustrated with regulatory environment in Russia for some time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopPJwfPqKo

    If Volozh is bringing her to Israel, probably a sign they want to important section of Yandex LLC to Israel in response to sanctions. Although the regulatory environment is probably not that great in Israel either.


    handy. Relocating so many people at once is a huge endeavor (families, pets, etc).

     

    Israel "hi-tech visa" is also restrictive. It's only available, if the job has double the average salary in Israel. It's only a renewing one year visa, with possibility to extend to maximum of 5 years

    So, Yandex can probably move software engineers from Russia (as they report, they want to move 800 staff from Russia to Israel). Most of their more experienced engineers' salary in Russia would be >$120,000, so they can match requirements. But then they would have to try to hire local staff, which could be difficult in Israel, as there is a famously undersupply of the labor market.


    Chichvarkin

     

    Yes I've seen about him. I would say I would want to visit his shop. But lol I don't think we are his target audience. Do you want to open a $850,000 bottle of Suntory whiskey?
    https://hedonism.co.uk/spirits/japanese-whiskey?items_per_page=24&sort=number_1&order=desc&page=0
  789. @Greasy William
    @Yellowface Anon


    the Taiwanese who see themselves as a different ethnicity from the Fujianese across the strait
     
    Ethnicity is 100% about identity and 0% about biology. Everyone knows that Taiwanese are genetically identical to Chinese, but that is irrelevant.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Ethnicity is 100% about identity and 0% about biology. Everyone knows that Taiwanese are genetically identical to Chinese, but that is irrelevant.

    It’s not irrelevant, since both Taiwan and PRC claim all of “Greater China”, precisely on the basis of blood.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Thulean Friend

    Blood and culture, like any ethnonationalist recognizes. But most importantly, there are divides on ideological and political legitimacy, like calling each other secessionists and bandits. Time to transcend that level and work for a common civilizational good.

    Replies: @iffen

  790. @Thulean Friend
    @Greasy William


    Ethnicity is 100% about identity and 0% about biology. Everyone knows that Taiwanese are genetically identical to Chinese, but that is irrelevant.
     
    It's not irrelevant, since both Taiwan and PRC claim all of "Greater China", precisely on the basis of blood.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Blood and culture, like any ethnonationalist recognizes. But most importantly, there are divides on ideological and political legitimacy, like calling each other secessionists and bandits. Time to transcend that level and work for a common civilizational good.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @iffen
    @Yellowface Anon

    a common civilizational good.

    Wouldn't you have to have some agreement on what's "good" and which features of the civilization qualify?

  791. @Yellowface Anon
    @Thulean Friend

    Blood and culture, like any ethnonationalist recognizes. But most importantly, there are divides on ideological and political legitimacy, like calling each other secessionists and bandits. Time to transcend that level and work for a common civilizational good.

    Replies: @iffen

    a common civilizational good.

    Wouldn’t you have to have some agreement on what’s “good” and which features of the civilization qualify?

  792. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    So far Blinken frames it as “holding China accountable” and a matter of containment than Trumpist belligerence, but (perhaps egged on by Trumpists or particularly being from the same soil as Trumpism) a growing number of Dems are actually using Trumpist rhetoric.
     
    MAGA imposed restrictions on the CCP for two very good reasons:

    -1- Creating domestic U.S. sources for national security essential materials and products.
    -2- Penalizing destabilization of the Middle East (and the planet) by funneling money to Iran that wound up in sociopath Khamenei's terror operations.

    Not-The-President Biden's illegitimate reign wants to undercut these rational goals. Look at the JCPOA2 total surrender operation.

    The current regime is trapped by its own Orwellian indoctrination operation. Their dogmatic base has total spiritual and mental commitment to the mythical "Russia, Russia, Russia" conspiracy. To the extent that the CCP closes ranks with Putin, irreversible Orwellian mental programming requires inclusion of China in the "Russia, Russia, Russia" sanctions.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    -2- Penalizing destabilization of the Middle East (and the planet) by funneling money to Iran that wound up in sociopath Khamenei’s terror operations.

    1) is of course, economic nationalism, which is good in itself. But why would you want to regime change Iran? Many Iranians have genuine faith and are invested on the Iranian civilizational project. They aren’t very different from the Christian nationalism you espouse, except they build their nationalism on a Shia Islam base. It’s like railing against Putin’s Russia. What do you want after regime changing Iran, restoring the Shah and forceful reconversion to Zoroastrianism? You only hate Islam and their fecundity, and wishes to re-Christianize them.

    If you want to punish states that caused massive misery in the world, then the US must be punished too, for their support of Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and destabilization of Yeltsin’s Russia that propelled Putin into power.

    Not-The-President Biden’s illegitimate reign wants to undercut these rational goals. Look at the JCPOA2 total surrender operation.

    Brandon is not hurrying to rejoin JCPOA except to stabilize the energy market after stigmatizing Russian oil and gas. He’d better abandon Green dogma and massively expand fracking & nuclear energy, and maybe a 2nd Trump term would have done it.

    To the extent that the CCP closes ranks with Putin, irreversible Orwellian mental programming requires inclusion of China in the “Russia, Russia, Russia” sanctions.

    Sinophobia fills into the hole USSR left for the US. Certainly Dem Russophobia will transfer to Sinophobia and stay there, etching it into cultural memory which will last even if CCP was gone. You wish Brandon or Trump can totally cut China off from external trade, like Russia. This is what the sanctions on Russia is mainly for, as the model against China. You might get your wish, I don’t hope so, but it would destroy the West before it had a chance to reindustrialize, like how import-substitution is hastily done in Russia. And ironic if you condition it on “CCP closing ranks with Putin” – do you hate Putin by implication, and placing him among the ranks of Khamenei? Prepare to be roasted by the Putinoids here.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    You wish Brandon or Trump can totally cut China off from external trade, like Russia.
     
    ROTFLMAO

    Your "Trade-phobia" is a severe impediment to economic understanding.

    As I have indicated many, many, many, many, many, many times. MAGA generally, and myself individually, advocate for "gradual decoupling" that is matched to MAGA Reindustrialization..

    The only one here demanding total and immediate decoupling and 100% trade bans is *YOU*! Your desired course of action will be problematic for America. And, it will be a complete catastrophe for Chinese workers. In fact, Under rational MAGA trade, there still will be imports from China. MAGA's goal is not your preferred 100% ban. The policy is related to key national security materials and production.
    ____

    Russia is fertilizing its own fields and feeding its own population first. Chinese farmers are facing diminished harvests: (1)

    The China Nitrogen Fertilizer Industry Association warned on Friday that coronavirus lockdowns could jeopardize the spring corn and soybean planting season by disrupting the supply of fertilizer to farms in northeastern China.

    Reuters explained that Chinese farmers normally stockpile fertilizer in early April, but controls on the flow of goods and people across the country imposed after the coronavirus outbreaks of the past few months have shuttered factories and interfered with shipments

     

    Why do you keep advocating for and end to food purchases from American farmers? You desired "rapid decoupling" undercuts China's basic needs.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/04/pandemic-ukraine-war-leave-chinese-farmers-fertilizer-shortage-planting-season/

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  793. @sudden death
    @Ron Unz

    Good trick though for some reason - expert gives UA side numbers with all possible potential "reserves", while for offensive side gives the number involved directly in attack on fronts, without all those possible reserves of such type, which potentially exceed several millions in RF against 600k from UA.

    Replies: @Anne Lid

    Why would Ritter include reservist Russians? They were not sent to Ukraine. The reservist Ukrainians of course were there already, hence included in the count. There is no trick.

  794. Am amazed that Musk blew so much on acquiring a stake in Twitter. Would make perfect sense to me, if the SEC wasn’t regulating his tweets. But, at best, it seems like an investment in his celebrity.

    Wonder if he will unban Trump.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    Musk would, on balance, be a massive improvement from the current owners (Paul Singer is a major shareholder). But even the sun has its spots. When ADL told him flatly to delete a tweet a while ago, he meekly complied. So I wouldn't expect a wonder, but rather incremental improvements which is probably a more realistic expectation.

    I don't think we will ever get the social media environment to return to pre-Trump norms. Censorship has now been baked into the cake, and Musk cannot undo that completely. If Musk would try, he'd run into a firewall and we've already seen examples of him backing down when the heat gets ramped up.

  795. @songbird
    Am amazed that Musk blew so much on acquiring a stake in Twitter. Would make perfect sense to me, if the SEC wasn't regulating his tweets. But, at best, it seems like an investment in his celebrity.

    Wonder if he will unban Trump.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Musk would, on balance, be a massive improvement from the current owners (Paul Singer is a major shareholder). But even the sun has its spots. When ADL told him flatly to delete a tweet a while ago, he meekly complied. So I wouldn’t expect a wonder, but rather incremental improvements which is probably a more realistic expectation.

    I don’t think we will ever get the social media environment to return to pre-Trump norms. Censorship has now been baked into the cake, and Musk cannot undo that completely. If Musk would try, he’d run into a firewall and we’ve already seen examples of him backing down when the heat gets ramped up.

  796. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon
    @A123


    -2- Penalizing destabilization of the Middle East (and the planet) by funneling money to Iran that wound up in sociopath Khamenei’s terror operations.
     
    1) is of course, economic nationalism, which is good in itself. But why would you want to regime change Iran? Many Iranians have genuine faith and are invested on the Iranian civilizational project. They aren't very different from the Christian nationalism you espouse, except they build their nationalism on a Shia Islam base. It's like railing against Putin's Russia. What do you want after regime changing Iran, restoring the Shah and forceful reconversion to Zoroastrianism? You only hate Islam and their fecundity, and wishes to re-Christianize them.

    If you want to punish states that caused massive misery in the world, then the US must be punished too, for their support of Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and destabilization of Yeltsin's Russia that propelled Putin into power.

    Not-The-President Biden’s illegitimate reign wants to undercut these rational goals. Look at the JCPOA2 total surrender operation.
     
    Brandon is not hurrying to rejoin JCPOA except to stabilize the energy market after stigmatizing Russian oil and gas. He'd better abandon Green dogma and massively expand fracking & nuclear energy, and maybe a 2nd Trump term would have done it.

    To the extent that the CCP closes ranks with Putin, irreversible Orwellian mental programming requires inclusion of China in the “Russia, Russia, Russia” sanctions.
     
    Sinophobia fills into the hole USSR left for the US. Certainly Dem Russophobia will transfer to Sinophobia and stay there, etching it into cultural memory which will last even if CCP was gone. You wish Brandon or Trump can totally cut China off from external trade, like Russia. This is what the sanctions on Russia is mainly for, as the model against China. You might get your wish, I don't hope so, but it would destroy the West before it had a chance to reindustrialize, like how import-substitution is hastily done in Russia. And ironic if you condition it on "CCP closing ranks with Putin" - do you hate Putin by implication, and placing him among the ranks of Khamenei? Prepare to be roasted by the Putinoids here.

    Replies: @A123

    You wish Brandon or Trump can totally cut China off from external trade, like Russia.

    ROTFLMAO

    Your “Trade-phobia” is a severe impediment to economic understanding.

    As I have indicated many, many, many, many, many, many times. MAGA generally, and myself individually, advocate for “gradual decoupling” that is matched to MAGA Reindustrialization..

    The only one here demanding total and immediate decoupling and 100% trade bans is *YOU*! Your desired course of action will be problematic for America. And, it will be a complete catastrophe for Chinese workers. In fact, Under rational MAGA trade, there still will be imports from China. MAGA’s goal is not your preferred 100% ban. The policy is related to key national security materials and production.
    ____

    Russia is fertilizing its own fields and feeding its own population first. Chinese farmers are facing diminished harvests: (1)

    The China Nitrogen Fertilizer Industry Association warned on Friday that coronavirus lockdowns could jeopardize the spring corn and soybean planting season by disrupting the supply of fertilizer to farms in northeastern China.

    Reuters explained that Chinese farmers normally stockpile fertilizer in early April, but controls on the flow of goods and people across the country imposed after the coronavirus outbreaks of the past few months have shuttered factories and interfered with shipments

    Why do you keep advocating for and end to food purchases from American farmers? You desired “rapid decoupling” undercuts China’s basic needs.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/04/pandemic-ukraine-war-leave-chinese-farmers-fertilizer-shortage-planting-season/

    • Troll: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @A123


    The only one here demanding total and immediate decoupling and 100% trade bans is *YOU*! Your desired course of action will be problematic for America. And, it will be a complete catastrophe for Chinese workers. In fact, Under rational MAGA trade, there still will be imports from China. MAGA’s goal is not your preferred 100% ban. The policy is related to key national security materials and production.
     
    Don't put words into my mouth. I demand nothing but China and the US resolving differences in economic and trade policy. At least you understand Trumpism shouldn't go too fast, too radical on this.

    There's this possibility of Trumpists or *gasp* Brandonists rapidly imposing sanctions on China until trade relations resemble Russia, which benefits no one and both of us don't want to see.

    Replies: @A123

  797. Was Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine for sex tourism?

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
    @songbird

    He is married and they have a child.

  798. • Replies: @nickels
    @Aedib

    If Gen was directing Azov forces I guess that makes him a Nazi.

    Bye bye Sarge.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    Explosive.

  799. This is yet to be determined. Are you in Ukraine? My cousins there, at least, are not so pessimistic.

    Ukraine minus whatever Russia takes will just join Poland and the Baltics and will prosper.

    If Poland and the rest of Visegrad fall Ukraine is gone too. Best hope is to stick together with them and work on renewing the West. Ukraine cannot be an isolated Bhutan.

    Well you already see Visegard is breaking down in all directions. Orban is going his own direction. Will the US allow its satrapies to prosper? They only prosper due to the massive gibs that are given every year. As Europe is getting poorer US is definitely going to do some shakedowns.

    Poles really really really want to be part of the West(which i dont care about) but imo for us, Ukraine East is East and West is West. (not doesnt mean join with Russia ffs). Not for us to be turned into disgusting ethnic white mush.

    And this is what Balts(btw this is one of the Estonians I used to follow on twitteR) think of us. I mean I can understand they want to be left alone in their own ecosystem and slowly repair it, we’re essentially being an invasive species.

    And youre buying into the whole Europe thing…foolish imho.. when its precisely the time to do the opposite when it comes to “muh whites” . Whites are possibly some of the most dangerous people to Europeans, they will always be an enemy. Id throw them in the same basket as the Turks, Muslims and the like.

    What makes whites so dangerous is that whites can reenginner and undermine your society. Very dangerous forces.

    This is a small example what they did in Japan. And this is Japan out of all places where they disown their own children if they marry elsewhere.

    These are the kind of destructive forces we’re dealing with. What are westoids going to try to do here? Are we ready for the 21 century onslaught? Remember they have over 4 billion of the Global South under their fingertips. The bioweapon to end it all.

    Jews for example have armor of contempt(which has protected them for over 1800 years) but do we have enough mental defenses and armor against whites/modern day colonizators?

    imho 100k dead I predict is probably wrong, im thinking now its going to be 100k for left bank alone, not counting how many more will be wounded, trafficked, etc. Now Russians will go all in, for them its a holy war

  800. One reason I like Zemmour is the way that he fluidly gesticulates.

    I feel like it is a sign that he can deal with ruthless Sun Belt people – that he has enough of it in him, to deal with them effectively, while they might run circles around someone from the Icy North, not evolved to deal with such shameless effrontery.

    • Agree: Aedib, Coconuts
    • Troll: Yahya
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    Should you be bullish on Italy?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFK7Eb156lw

    Replies: @songbird

  801. Can Sleepy Joe be as stupid to let an American General trapped in the Mariupol cauldron?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Aedib

    We captured whole US commanding general! No, we are not showing him, but trust us completely, here's whole reliable one liner tweet as a proof ;)

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

    , @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    Mariupol isn’t a cauldron. It’s more of a siege.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  802. @songbird
    Was Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine for sex tourism?

    Replies: @Anne Lid

    He is married and they have a child.

    • Thanks: songbird
  803. @Aedib
    More embarrassment for Sleepy Joe.

    https://twitter.com/Miguel18011505/status/1510583834173382660

    Replies: @nickels, @Wokechoke

    If Gen was directing Azov forces I guess that makes him a Nazi.

    Bye bye Sarge.

  804. @Aedib
    Can Sleepy Joe be as stupid to let an American General trapped in the Mariupol cauldron?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke

    We captured whole US commanding general! No, we are not showing him, but trust us completely, here’s whole reliable one liner tweet as a proof 😉

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    It may or may not be fake, but if I captured an American general, I would first of all bring him to a secure location, deep inside of Russia. Then I would probably try to interrogate him (I wonder what rules apply?), and confirm his identity. Then I might contact the Americans, to see what they are willing to offer. Before trying to publicize it.

    It wouldn't be a quick process.

    Of course, that weighs against the question of "What could a general be doing there?" I could understand training Ukrainians to be liaison officers, or sending someone in the CIA. But it seems pretty crazy to send anyone with that high a profile. Guess the US has a lot of generals, but still.

    , @Mikel
    @sudden death

    Yes, that kind of shocking claims found on Twitter are almost invariably fake.

    But I wouldn't be too dismissive of Russian propaganda because ours in the West is arguably worse. Whatever happened in Bucha, I'm finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC "fact checkers" concluded last week that they were unable to "verify" the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn't even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn't even cross their minds.

    And I mean, this is all the same people who decided to protect our delicate eyes from seeing anything about the Hunter Biden laptop because its contents were "unverified" but now are effectively pushing for WW3 over some much murkier events in a war zone full of bloodthirsty combatants. It's just scary.

    I'm not entirely sure that there really are evil motives behind all this though. I'm afraid that at least a good part of it all could just be plain stupidity. Why did Chancellor Scholz find it appropriate to mock the accusations of "genocide" in Donbass? What happened there may not technically amount to genocide but I very much fear that a German Chancellor in 2022 may be unaware that the Ukrainians did indeed kill thousands of their own civilians in Donbass. Just as Putin has shown a tremendous amount of hubris in the war he planned, we in the West are also choke full of it.

    I bought a hand-cranked radio the other day at Walmart and I think it's time to order a Geyger counter from Amazon as well.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Triteleia Laxa

  805. I am greatly amused by NYC’s billboard campaign in Florida to encourage people to “come to the city where you can say anything you like”, which pronouncement is encircled by dozens of instances of the word “gay” closely phalanxed together, in different sizes and colors, and orientations, some penetrating others.

    [MORE]

    I hope that they also release “nigger” and “fag” versions.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Somebody posted an infowars clip yesterday where not-Alex-Jones said that all the fascist corporations had to do was don black-face and gay-face and all of a sudden the leftists are all on the McDonalds-Disney-CocaCola bandwagon they can do anything they want now.

    I LOL'd.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  806. @songbird
    I am greatly amused by NYC's billboard campaign in Florida to encourage people to "come to the city where you can say anything you like", which pronouncement is encircled by dozens of instances of the word "gay" closely phalanxed together, in different sizes and colors, and orientations, some penetrating others.

    I hope that they also release "nigger" and "fag" versions.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Somebody posted an infowars clip yesterday where not-Alex-Jones said that all the fascist corporations had to do was don black-face and gay-face and all of a sudden the leftists are all on the McDonalds-Disney-CocaCola bandwagon they can do anything they want now.

    I LOL’d.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I'd say the RW knee-jerk support for corporate America had about outrun it's usefulness. The LW support capture by corporate America will continue to serve them well for the time being. They can always pivot again if the grass grows greener.

    It's always amusing to me when people maunder on and on about blaming the "patriarchy" for this and that. That has approximately the relevance of blaming the Habsburgs in this day and age.

    Corporate America in conjunction with the Government bureaucrats is where all the real power resides. They are fine with POC or LGBT+ in their ranks since they will know on which side their bread is buttered.

  807. @sudden death
    @Aedib

    We captured whole US commanding general! No, we are not showing him, but trust us completely, here's whole reliable one liner tweet as a proof ;)

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

    It may or may not be fake, but if I captured an American general, I would first of all bring him to a secure location, deep inside of Russia. Then I would probably try to interrogate him (I wonder what rules apply?), and confirm his identity. Then I might contact the Americans, to see what they are willing to offer. Before trying to publicize it.

    It wouldn’t be a quick process.

    Of course, that weighs against the question of “What could a general be doing there?” I could understand training Ukrainians to be liaison officers, or sending someone in the CIA. But it seems pretty crazy to send anyone with that high a profile. Guess the US has a lot of generals, but still.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  808. Pretty metal that the Chinese facing the Indians on the Roof of the World are armed with polearms.

    One of my Norman ancestors commanded a contingent of several hundred men armed with polearms, over 500 years ago. During the battle, someone was beaten to death with a gun.

  809. @sudden death
    @Aedib

    We captured whole US commanding general! No, we are not showing him, but trust us completely, here's whole reliable one liner tweet as a proof ;)

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

    Yes, that kind of shocking claims found on Twitter are almost invariably fake.

    But I wouldn’t be too dismissive of Russian propaganda because ours in the West is arguably worse. Whatever happened in Bucha, I’m finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC “fact checkers” concluded last week that they were unable to “verify” the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn’t even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn’t even cross their minds.

    And I mean, this is all the same people who decided to protect our delicate eyes from seeing anything about the Hunter Biden laptop because its contents were “unverified” but now are effectively pushing for WW3 over some much murkier events in a war zone full of bloodthirsty combatants. It’s just scary.

    I’m not entirely sure that there really are evil motives behind all this though. I’m afraid that at least a good part of it all could just be plain stupidity. Why did Chancellor Scholz find it appropriate to mock the accusations of “genocide” in Donbass? What happened there may not technically amount to genocide but I very much fear that a German Chancellor in 2022 may be unaware that the Ukrainians did indeed kill thousands of their own civilians in Donbass. Just as Putin has shown a tremendous amount of hubris in the war he planned, we in the West are also choke full of it.

    I bought a hand-cranked radio the other day at Walmart and I think it’s time to order a Geyger counter from Amazon as well.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel

    "Verify" is just the current term for "approve". When societies start tightening screws they like to create a new vocabulary. "Conspiracy" is anything that goes against some aspect of the established order and that has not been "verified". Some criticism is still allowed - that is shown by it being officially "verified".

    It is moving fast and we are absentmindedly marching toward the precipice. Many have been auditioning for the role of Franz Ferdinand - I would nominate Scholz. He displayed the usual Germanic lack of awareness and beautifully played the role of a know-nothing middleman who triggers a catastrophe. A necessary bumbler with a propensity to grin.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Mikel


    Whatever happened in Bucha, I’m finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC “fact checkers” concluded last week that they were unable to “verify” the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn’t even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn’t even cross their minds.
     
    Do you find that the horrific scenes of senseless slaughter, destruction of people's homes, stories of rape and pillage "unbearable" because they're an accurate reflection of what Russian military soldiers have perpetrated in places like Bucha (Mariupol, Irpin, Izum and many other places too), or because you really think that these scenes reflect the staged conduct of Ukrainian soldiers trying to gain the opprobrium of world opinion against forces from Russia? What exactly were these everyday citizens doing that necessitated the savage and criminal activity that was visited upon them?

    I'm not denying that savage and uncontrolled behavior has been visited upon these uninvited Russian guests, but I find your remarks to reflect the opinions of perhaps some real inherent Ukrainapobic feelings that you've managed to acquire somewhere, sometime in the past. You seem to be lopsidedly emphasizing the repercussions meted out to 1% of the foreign invaders, while shielding yourself from the truth meted out to 99% of the innocent civilians? Remember, I'm the one who once took your concerns about the Ukrainian bombing of a postal office in Donbas by Ukrainian soldiers seriously? I thought that you really were an individual that was concerned about the welfare of civilians caught in the midst of activities related to wartime activities? It looks to me that your prism of observation is hugely influenced by the ethnicity of the perpetrators of atrocities: Russians get a greenlight, Ukrainians do not. There is just too much documented evidence that exposes the war crimes perpetrated indicating genocide in these area, too many eyewitness accounts by individuals trapped in these areas, to try and sweep it all under some rug.

    https://youtu.be/FDMprMAoINU
    Dismiss scenes of Russian torture chambers in Bucha where civilians were executed by Russian soldiers, by a "hysterical" western "propaganda machine" motivated to unfairly criticize Russian behavior in Ukraine? Is it fake news, like Lavrov and Mikel seem to be claiming?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Peter Frost

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikel


    But I wouldn’t be too dismissive of Russian propaganda because ours in the West is arguably worse. Whatever happened in Bucha, I’m finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable.
     
    No, I'll tell you what you are finding unbearable. There are three things:

    1. Realising that you have been living in a bullsh*t narrative of Russian progaganda for so long.

    2. Realising how stupid you have been.

    3. The shocking feeling of guilt that is slowly surfacing to your conscious for what you have been cheerleading.

    You have been a useful idiot for the evil you thought you were opposing. Time to admit it, have a bath and start afresh.

    The longer you take, the worse the damage to your psyche will be.

    Or do you want to go even further down the paranoid delusion hole and start pretending that the massacre at Bucha is fake, that Russia has captured a US General, that the Russian retreat was the plan all along and that Ukrainians are only defending their homeland because Netflix told them to?

    Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality.

    Replies: @utu

  810. Heard that Germany doesn’t even have a single LNG terminal. (Guessing they were worried about terrorists.)

    I suspect that EU politicians are listening to upper estimates of how much Russian gas can be replaced (~75%) and hoping that they are true. But, IMO, they aren’t, not even close. They will be lucky if the could get 20%.
    ____
    Has A123 gotten his Truth Social account yet? If so, I hope he will post a review.

  811. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Somebody posted an infowars clip yesterday where not-Alex-Jones said that all the fascist corporations had to do was don black-face and gay-face and all of a sudden the leftists are all on the McDonalds-Disney-CocaCola bandwagon they can do anything they want now.

    I LOL'd.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I’d say the RW knee-jerk support for corporate America had about outrun it’s usefulness. The LW support capture by corporate America will continue to serve them well for the time being. They can always pivot again if the grass grows greener.

    It’s always amusing to me when people maunder on and on about blaming the “patriarchy” for this and that. That has approximately the relevance of blaming the Habsburgs in this day and age.

    Corporate America in conjunction with the Government bureaucrats is where all the real power resides. They are fine with POC or LGBT+ in their ranks since they will know on which side their bread is buttered.

  812. @songbird
    One reason I like Zemmour is the way that he fluidly gesticulates.

    I feel like it is a sign that he can deal with ruthless Sun Belt people - that he has enough of it in him, to deal with them effectively, while they might run circles around someone from the Icy North, not evolved to deal with such shameless effrontery.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Should you be bullish on Italy?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    LOL. One time I came to a red light behind a guy who I'd guess was a Haitian, and he had one arm out of the window and was making all these weird gestures with it, and I was totally confused, until I realized he was talking on his phone.

    Maybe, that is why there are so many car accidents now.

  813. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    Should you be bullish on Italy?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFK7Eb156lw

    Replies: @songbird

    LOL. One time I came to a red light behind a guy who I’d guess was a Haitian, and he had one arm out of the window and was making all these weird gestures with it, and I was totally confused, until I realized he was talking on his phone.

    Maybe, that is why there are so many car accidents now.

  814. @Mikel
    @AaronB

    Thanks for sharing your impressions. You seem to have taken a most scenic way back from California to the East. Every time I've been to Blanding I drove from Moab but I looked at UT-95 on Google Earth and it's clear that it must be an awesome route. UT-12 from Torrey in Capitol Reef NP to Escalante is also purported to be one of the best scenic routes in the West but, like you, I barely had the time to see some of the essentials in the Park and left feeling that I'd only seen less than 1%. Considering its size (~100 miles North to South), it would easily take a lifetime of exploring to get to know all secret beauties of Capitol Reef.

    BTW, while hiking on a rather remote trail of the park, my son and I suddenly came across an old man who was slowly hiking on his own with the aid of trekking poles. He looked frail and tired but we had a chat and he was in good humor. He gave us some tips for the way ahead and continued his march. I've thought quite a lot about this man. I can also imagine myself spending most of my time in my last years exploring as much as I can of these fantastic landscapes around me.

    In the Wasatch area we are at most 1-1.5 hours away of 4 types of deserts: sagebrush land like the one you saw along most the US-50 in Nevada, isolated red rock outcrops similar to Moab or Bryce Canyon (eg Devil's Kitchen), sand dunes in parts of the ancient Boneville dry lakebed (eg Little Sahara) and the psychedelic Salt Flats west of the Great Salt Lake. All of that while living in a pure Rocky Mountain alpine environment. With so much to enjoy nearby I don't feel the need to visit the big parks as much as if I lived in an eastern city but still, every time we go to one of the Utah Mighty Five we understand why those places received their special status.

    Another remote and seldom visited NP in our neighborhood is Nevada's Great Basin NP. I've seen some gorgeous pictures. So much to discover and so little time...

    Replies: @AaronB

    I love that story about meeting that frail old man in the back country with trekking poles, the modern version of the staff – maybe he was a God in disguise 🙂 Maybe, the tutelary spirit of Capital Reef national park – and surely there is one! – manifesting in the guise of an old man to inspire one of his devoted acolytes, one who loves his park as he does.

    I have also long dreamed about ending my days as an old man wandering the wilderness – I believe this has very deep seated resonance across cultures and probably speaks to something very real in the human psyche, as the civilizations of the East all dreamed of old age being a time to wander the wild. In China, they actually called this phenomenon becoming an Old Man of the Mountains. In India, it was one of life’s expected stages.

    I can think of no better way to end ones days and pass into eternity….

    Yes, your position in the beautiful Wasatch range is very lucky indeed. Incredible variety and beauty everywhere. And as you say, the stupendous scenery of the big five, while always compelling and what one returns to again and again, isn’t always more compelling than a more ordinary but moving local landscape.

    Sometimes, I enjoy nothing more than a simple slice of the Mojave desert, or an ordinary corner of Nevada sagebrush desert, as much as the overwhelming landscapes of southern Utah.

    I’ve been to Great Basin a long time ago, but don’t have the clearest memory of it. As you say, so much to see and too little time!

    I plan on leaving again by the end of May – do I go somewhere new or deepen my explorations of what I know and love? I am these days drawn to the landscapes of southern Utah and northern Arizona, with their ancient and mythological feel, so perhaps those red lands have something to tell at least for the moment.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    You might find this amusing. Or not.

    Last summer I moved from CA to CO and drove the I-80 in the process. One thing I did to occupy my head was look for chemtrails, UFO's, and nefarious military activity. John Lear said Area 51 is only a satellite now and the main facility is (underground of course) near the Utah Nevada border. So I'm speeding down the I-80 looking for suspicious stuff and there by the road is the sign:

    Daath
    Starr Valley

    This is not what I saw.

    What I saw was: Death Star Valley.

    Pretty freaky until I got to my next hotel room and fired up my computer and figured out what I saw. There is one f*ck-ton of new construction between the Great Salt Lake and Salt Lake City, north and south of the interstate. Some but not all of that is federal military security.

  815. @AaronB
    @Mikel

    I love that story about meeting that frail old man in the back country with trekking poles, the modern version of the staff - maybe he was a God in disguise :) Maybe, the tutelary spirit of Capital Reef national park - and surely there is one! - manifesting in the guise of an old man to inspire one of his devoted acolytes, one who loves his park as he does.

    I have also long dreamed about ending my days as an old man wandering the wilderness - I believe this has very deep seated resonance across cultures and probably speaks to something very real in the human psyche, as the civilizations of the East all dreamed of old age being a time to wander the wild. In China, they actually called this phenomenon becoming an Old Man of the Mountains. In India, it was one of life's expected stages.

    I can think of no better way to end ones days and pass into eternity....

    Yes, your position in the beautiful Wasatch range is very lucky indeed. Incredible variety and beauty everywhere. And as you say, the stupendous scenery of the big five, while always compelling and what one returns to again and again, isn't always more compelling than a more ordinary but moving local landscape.

    Sometimes, I enjoy nothing more than a simple slice of the Mojave desert, or an ordinary corner of Nevada sagebrush desert, as much as the overwhelming landscapes of southern Utah.

    I've been to Great Basin a long time ago, but don't have the clearest memory of it. As you say, so much to see and too little time!

    I plan on leaving again by the end of May - do I go somewhere new or deepen my explorations of what I know and love? I am these days drawn to the landscapes of southern Utah and northern Arizona, with their ancient and mythological feel, so perhaps those red lands have something to tell at least for the moment.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You might find this amusing. Or not.

    Last summer I moved from CA to CO and drove the I-80 in the process. One thing I did to occupy my head was look for chemtrails, UFO’s, and nefarious military activity. John Lear said Area 51 is only a satellite now and the main facility is (underground of course) near the Utah Nevada border. So I’m speeding down the I-80 looking for suspicious stuff and there by the road is the sign:

    Daath
    Starr Valley

    This is not what I saw.

    What I saw was: Death Star Valley.

    Pretty freaky until I got to my next hotel room and fired up my computer and figured out what I saw. There is one f*ck-ton of new construction between the Great Salt Lake and Salt Lake City, north and south of the interstate. Some but not all of that is federal military security.

    • Thanks: AaronB
  816. @Mikel
    @sudden death

    Yes, that kind of shocking claims found on Twitter are almost invariably fake.

    But I wouldn't be too dismissive of Russian propaganda because ours in the West is arguably worse. Whatever happened in Bucha, I'm finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC "fact checkers" concluded last week that they were unable to "verify" the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn't even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn't even cross their minds.

    And I mean, this is all the same people who decided to protect our delicate eyes from seeing anything about the Hunter Biden laptop because its contents were "unverified" but now are effectively pushing for WW3 over some much murkier events in a war zone full of bloodthirsty combatants. It's just scary.

    I'm not entirely sure that there really are evil motives behind all this though. I'm afraid that at least a good part of it all could just be plain stupidity. Why did Chancellor Scholz find it appropriate to mock the accusations of "genocide" in Donbass? What happened there may not technically amount to genocide but I very much fear that a German Chancellor in 2022 may be unaware that the Ukrainians did indeed kill thousands of their own civilians in Donbass. Just as Putin has shown a tremendous amount of hubris in the war he planned, we in the West are also choke full of it.

    I bought a hand-cranked radio the other day at Walmart and I think it's time to order a Geyger counter from Amazon as well.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Triteleia Laxa

    Verify” is just the current term for “approve“. When societies start tightening screws they like to create a new vocabulary. “Conspiracy” is anything that goes against some aspect of the established order and that has not been “verified”. Some criticism is still allowed – that is shown by it being officially “verified”.

    It is moving fast and we are absentmindedly marching toward the precipice. Many have been auditioning for the role of Franz Ferdinand – I would nominate Scholz. He displayed the usual Germanic lack of awareness and beautifully played the role of a know-nothing middleman who triggers a catastrophe. A necessary bumbler with a propensity to grin.

  817. @AaronB
    As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living, I have recently begun consuming raw milk and raw dairy items (unpasteurized).

    Annoyingly, our nanny state government makes the purchase of raw milk from stores illegal. This means that we sad Americans have long been denied the full glory of true Normandy Brie and Camambert cheese, which is properly made from raw milk for full deliciousness.

    But raw milk is supposed to contain lots of brobiotics and bacteria that hugely promote health. But of course New Yorkers are nothing if not resourceful, and through a complicated legal loophole one can easily obtain raw milk by joining a co-op that gives you "ownership" of the farms for a negligible fee.

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly. The milk is amazing! At 6.3% fat it's higher in fat than regular whole milk in America, which is 4%, and is sweeter and fresher than any milk I have tasted.

    The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore :)

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don't die soon, I will let you all know how it goes :)

    But mostly, I do not do this for health, but I am doing this primarily for spiritual reasons - by consuming highly processed and unnatural products, I am implicitly affirming a world view that I no longer wish to affirm.

    In Indian Buddhism and I believe Hindu culture in general, milk and dairy have a special status of excellence and nobility as foods - I beginning to see why!

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Colin Wright, @silviosilver

    ‘The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore 🙂

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don’t die soon, I will let you all know how it goes…’

    Given that your ‘elixir’ is essentially pure milk fat, what you’re feeling building would be your cholesterol level.

    But carry on; I certainly don’t wish to dissuade you. Have some cheesecake.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Colin Wright

    Did you know during the training season (now) the biggest beasts in the NFL, fellows like Aaron Donald and Watt brothers and Derrick Henry drink a gallon of milk a day?

    Not that 2% crap.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  818. @Colin Wright
    @AaronB

    'The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore 🙂

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don’t die soon, I will let you all know how it goes...'


    Given that your 'elixir' is essentially pure milk fat, what you're feeling building would be your cholesterol level.

    But carry on; I certainly don't wish to dissuade you. Have some cheesecake.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did you know during the training season (now) the biggest beasts in the NFL, fellows like Aaron Donald and Watt brothers and Derrick Henry drink a gallon of milk a day?

    Not that 2% crap.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    High activity levels along with high quality fat intake is quite healthy.

    Replies: @RSDB

  819. @Aedib
    More embarrassment for Sleepy Joe.

    https://twitter.com/Miguel18011505/status/1510583834173382660

    Replies: @nickels, @Wokechoke

    Explosive.

  820. @Aedib
    Can Sleepy Joe be as stupid to let an American General trapped in the Mariupol cauldron?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke

    Mariupol isn’t a cauldron. It’s more of a siege.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Wokechoke

    Agree. A cauldron works when long distance artillery can be used.

  821. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Still, I wouldn’t guess Yandex has pre-existing plan, before the “special operation”, to move so many employees to Israel.
     
    Well, they had distributed teams even before this, maybe now it is coming handy. Relocating so many people at once is a huge endeavor (families, pets, etc).

    Btw, Elena Bunina's father lived in Latvia, he went there with the Soviet army and stayed there (I don't want to know under what circumstances). Israel has a great tech scene and more Jewish women are tech leaders than gentile women, it seems, although I'm not sure if she's directly leading data scientists & engineers, or if she's more of a GM.


    Fortunately, I think all this dream of invading the Baltics, by Suwalki gap, became increasingly implausible in the last month.
     
    Yes, I'm very well aware of that, the Ukrainian soldier is defending the Baltic States right now.

    Even though its public expression, becomes more common
     
    .

    Yes, the vatniks have fallen into an animalistic rage in the last few weeks, most of the hate is directed towards Ukrainians, though. They shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Baltic people.

    This is worse than it's ever been, this must be the worst event I've seen in my life.

    You, and Elena and others are, of course, in a completely different stratosphere than the vatniks.
    Have you heard of the one Chichvarkin, Russian expat businessman who has a wine shop in London? He's on the Ukrainian TV a lot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itjcCIccArM


    Marketing can substitute for engineering, until you actually have to complete the task you promised, and then you need to actually do the real work.
     
    That's very well put although I would never be frivolous about Russia as an enemy. Putin will do everything in his ability to not lose to Ukraine. He's aware of the consequences.

    He lives in a normal, minimalist apartment in a historical area of Tallinn
     
    That fits with his persona and artistic outlook so that's harmonious and in good taste. Although living in the old city can be a bit luxurious in it's own way (I know it pretty well).

    I like something with more detail, such as these lofts with Japanese Bonsai trees:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWxR2G6DemM

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Prokhorov also seems like he is emigrating to Israel, at least to become Israeli citizen and register for internal passport ( https://www.pravda.ru/news/world/1695816-prokhorov ).

    For historical memory, if you remember, Prokhorov presidential campaign and political promotion. Even though it was never serious, even the permissibility of rhetoric, seems now like a utopian relic. I mean, 9,5 years ago, how he was speaking in America.

    If you watch in the video interview
    27:00 –
    32:00

    https://charlierose.com/videos/17647

    although I’m not sure if she’s directly leading data scientists & engineers,

    She is a professor at the department of higher algebra at MGU. She is one of only 7 professors there http://halgebra.math.msu.su/wiki/doku.php/shared:staff Her last published papers in group theory was 2019.

    Volozh has recruited her in the company to lead their computer science education program. Then she was HR director and CEO since 2017.

    When she was asking Putin a couple years ago. They have been frustrated with regulatory environment in Russia for some time.

    If Volozh is bringing her to Israel, probably a sign they want to important section of Yandex LLC to Israel in response to sanctions. Although the regulatory environment is probably not that great in Israel either.

    handy. Relocating so many people at once is a huge endeavor (families, pets, etc).

    Israel “hi-tech visa” is also restrictive. It’s only available, if the job has double the average salary in Israel. It’s only a renewing one year visa, with possibility to extend to maximum of 5 years

    So, Yandex can probably move software engineers from Russia (as they report, they want to move 800 staff from Russia to Israel). Most of their more experienced engineers’ salary in Russia would be >$120,000, so they can match requirements. But then they would have to try to hire local staff, which could be difficult in Israel, as there is a famously undersupply of the labor market.

    Chichvarkin

    Yes I’ve seen about him. I would say I would want to visit his shop. But lol I don’t think we are his target audience. Do you want to open a $850,000 bottle of Suntory whiskey?
    https://hedonism.co.uk/spirits/japanese-whiskey?items_per_page=24&sort=number_1&order=desc&page=0

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
  822. @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    Oat milk...pshaw. A silly drink.

    But anyhow, I was going to mention to utu that I do partially agree with him in that there can be an insufferable bourgeoisie preciousness to some of the food virtue signalling. There are a lot of stupid marketing ploys and pretension, but then again this is true with most things.

    It does take extra care to produce a milk worthy of being consumed raw. This is better for the cow, produces better income for the farmer, and better taste (or at least it should if done correctly) for the drinker. If it sometimes gets imbued with certain silly pretensions and snobbery then it is at least far from the worst use of the excess riches of the well heeled. So, while I may cringe, I will forgive some incidental silliness.

    For what it's worth, I have friend who is a relatively small (by modern standards) organic dairyman and who also sells the raw milk off the farm. The bulk prices he's getting are absolutely murder, especially with all his costs skyrocketing in this economy. The only reason he can keep afloat is from the direct raw milk sales and their farm store. And he is a resourceful, efficient, and relatively debt free individual, yet he is getting squeezed from every side on the commodity market where he has no control. It's really bad for him and every other dairy farmer I talk to. If they can make a better living selling quality direct to customer then I say more power to them.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Even the unsweetened oatmilk, is quite sugary. It tastes good with coffee.

    But its health benefit could be more questioned as it has a lot of maltose.

    In terms of the health effect, I’ve read claims that “casein” in milk reduces the health benefit of tea (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10913-milk-wrecks-the-health-benefits-of-tea/). So, perhaps oat milk would be better than adding real milk to tea.

    milk worthy of being consumed raw. This is better for the cow, produces better income for the farmer, and better taste

    Well, better for cows, is not unimportant, if you know those animals.

    One of my relatives is a dairy farmer. I was on their farm only a few times in childhood and dislike intensely, but I used to wait while my cousin has to do tasks with their cows. I remember cows used to be very scared of me. If I touched them, they almost fall over trying to run away.

    But then when people they know are near them, they were friendly. Apparently, all have different personality, they can remember the humans who are kind with them. Some cows are friendly and say “hello”, some are shy. I’m not sure they’re so different to cats and dogs.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    The more you are around animals, the more you see they all have personalities and the more you appreciate them. My friend used to keep ducks, and I was surprised at how interesting and relatable they were.

    That doesn't mean we shouldn't eat them, but it does mean we should treat them with the utmost kindness and respect. (I know you haven't commented on whether or not we should eat animals).

    Many primitive tribes would have a specially intimate and personal relationship with the animal they most ate, and of course all primitive cultures saw animals as ensouled to a far greater degree than modern society (Descartes, the philosopher of modernity and automation, initiated the idea that animals are automatons who can be used without regard, which is the basis of factory farming) - although only in very recent times, we may be returning to a similar appreciation for animals.

    Merely surviving is not the most important thing, and as long as the animal has had a good life in conditions that are natural to it, it is good to eat it.

    In fact, eating animals affirms the "oneness" of all life and the interconnected of everything.

    When I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole - the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me. The worst fate is to be embalmed or put in a steel coffin, that hideous modern practice, thus even in death affirming ones separation from all life.

    There is a beautiful Tibetan burial practice called "sky burial", where they take your body to a high cliff in the mountains, and cut you into pieces for the vultures and other wild beasts to eat you, thus affirming your connection to, and compassion for, the whole of life.

    That is only right, as the Tibetans are great meat eaters while alive.

    Certain traditional cultures like Buddhists and Hindus, or certain sects within them, don't eat animals for spiritual reasons, and I respect that.

    But the modern aversion to eating animals, that I have often seen up close, seems to me based on a pathological fragility that comes from the modern inability to see the "oneness" of life, and the pathological modern belief that death is the absolute worst thing.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    You are right that cattle have more personality than people give them credit for, especially breeds that are not so overbred. Holsteins (the black and white ones) are quite a bit dumber than the older breeds like my Jersey.

    I would say cattle are significantly less keen than dogs or cats or pigs and goats for that matter, but they have significant personality.

    My cow is quite a doting mother to her calves, which can be funny. She gets bent out of shape when the start frolicking around the pasture too far from her. My collie thinks that it's great fun to frisk with the calf and the calf enjoys it too, but mama hates the dog and thinks he's Satan's spawn sent to eat her calf. If the dog gets into the pasture he starts playing with the calf while mama chases them around shaking her head and bellering.

    Having animals means I have plenty of entertainment without owning a TV.

    Replies: @Mikel

  823. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    I remember reading years ago, how oat milk was the most popular drink in Brooklyn.
     
    Must be a pretty low level of lactose tolerance in NYC in 2022.

    I wonder what they drink in schools, where milk used to be an American staple.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Recently I was watching YouTube about the new mayor of New York. He wants to have vegan Friday for the children to reduce obesity.

    What they said on YouTube, is FDA rules means they have to give milk in every free meal in New York schools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrVpZyYBuN8.

    I’m wondering if the dairy farmers have bargaining power or some state capture in politics, or if the FDA is just such paternalism.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry


    I’m wondering if the dairy farmers have bargaining power or some state capture in politics, or if the FDA is just such paternalism.
     
    One reason that I think milk is still common in American schools is that it is a legacy of heritage Americans being very lactose tolerant. In particular, Britain and Ireland, which might have a greater penetrance for lactose tolerance than anywhere else in the world. But it would be higher in NW Europe than NE.

    Beyond that, it seems like a lot of lobbying went into it. An organization called the National Dairy Council is >100 years old and helped promote milk in schools.

    If you are interested in American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching "milk does a body good." These were a series of commercials that were prominent when I was a kid. Some of them are quite amusing, such as the scrawny kid who was picked on becoming jacked and having people step aside.

    BTW, I'd be very curious to know whether you ever saw milk in Russian schools. Based on this website, it is still not common (only 10%) But Russians must be less lactose tolerant than English people.
    https://fil-idf.org/dairys-global-impact/school-milk-knowledge-hub/addressing-childhood-malnutrition-in-sri-lanka-2-2/

    Replies: @Mikel, @Dmitry

  824. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    You wish Brandon or Trump can totally cut China off from external trade, like Russia.
     
    ROTFLMAO

    Your "Trade-phobia" is a severe impediment to economic understanding.

    As I have indicated many, many, many, many, many, many times. MAGA generally, and myself individually, advocate for "gradual decoupling" that is matched to MAGA Reindustrialization..

    The only one here demanding total and immediate decoupling and 100% trade bans is *YOU*! Your desired course of action will be problematic for America. And, it will be a complete catastrophe for Chinese workers. In fact, Under rational MAGA trade, there still will be imports from China. MAGA's goal is not your preferred 100% ban. The policy is related to key national security materials and production.
    ____

    Russia is fertilizing its own fields and feeding its own population first. Chinese farmers are facing diminished harvests: (1)

    The China Nitrogen Fertilizer Industry Association warned on Friday that coronavirus lockdowns could jeopardize the spring corn and soybean planting season by disrupting the supply of fertilizer to farms in northeastern China.

    Reuters explained that Chinese farmers normally stockpile fertilizer in early April, but controls on the flow of goods and people across the country imposed after the coronavirus outbreaks of the past few months have shuttered factories and interfered with shipments

     

    Why do you keep advocating for and end to food purchases from American farmers? You desired "rapid decoupling" undercuts China's basic needs.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/04/pandemic-ukraine-war-leave-chinese-farmers-fertilizer-shortage-planting-season/

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    The only one here demanding total and immediate decoupling and 100% trade bans is *YOU*! Your desired course of action will be problematic for America. And, it will be a complete catastrophe for Chinese workers. In fact, Under rational MAGA trade, there still will be imports from China. MAGA’s goal is not your preferred 100% ban. The policy is related to key national security materials and production.

    Don’t put words into my mouth. I demand nothing but China and the US resolving differences in economic and trade policy. At least you understand Trumpism shouldn’t go too fast, too radical on this.

    There’s this possibility of Trumpists or *gasp* Brandonists rapidly imposing sanctions on China until trade relations resemble Russia, which benefits no one and both of us don’t want to see.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    Don’t put words into my mouth.
     
    I only do it after YOU put words in mine. If YOU change YOUR behaviour, the problem will go away.

    Trumpists or *gasp* Brandonists
     
    Both of these terms are highly misleading, thus leading to muddy and inaccurate thinking.

    The MAGA movement is much larger than any single individual. The invalid label "Trumpist" is used by authoritarian SJW's who despise American citizens. It signals desperate (and ineffective) flailing against sound policy.

    Not-The-President Biden is a puppet with no followers. Look at what happened recently when Obama and Biden were in the same room (15 second clip).
    https://youtu.be/x_lF3n9bbZg

    Do you expect anyone to believe that "Brandonists" or "Bidenists" exist? A population with a count of zero by definition has neither policy nor beliefs.

    sanctions on China until trade relations resemble Russia, which benefits no one and both of us don’t want to see.
     
    You are skirting very close to putting words in my mouth. As I previously stated...

    The SJW/DNC used Orwellian indoctrination to create the "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth. Their dogmatic followers now inflexibly believe in the myth as truth. While this was done for solely domestic purposes, it has foreign policy implications. They cannot unwind the myth without admitting they lied. Thus, they are now forced into irrational policies towards Putin and Russia. The Orwellian myth is so emotionally powerful to SJW acolytes, it spills over and onto those who support (or oppose) Russia.

    If China chooses to close ranks with Putin while the "Russia, Russia, Russia" legend controls the hearts and souls of millions.... Xi is intentionally volunteering to accept the spill over from his choice. Beijing apparently believes that their "gifts" to Hunter Biden will set policy. The CCP Elites will soon learn a very painful lesson:

    You Cannot Bribe An Avalanche To Change Course

    PEACE 😇
  825. I’m surprised nobody has mentioned Hungary being the first target of the EU slashing its funding. This process was launched immediately after the election.

    Right now there are three pillars of EU funding: CAP (money to farmers), structural funds (infra funding) and finally Covid-related loans and grants which are a one-off measure. The latter has been withheld but now we’re talking structural funds which are permanent. CAP isn’t being touched.

    Hungary and Poland both went to the ECJ to protest but the court slapped them down in February, giving the EU commission green light. Unlike in the past, there is no longer a need to do this unanimously as a qualified majority will suffice. Budapest could count on Warsaw blocking everything but this is no longer possible even if Warsaw will likely oppose this measure.

    In the end, the people who hold the purse strings are the ones who control the institutions. Orban thought he could enjoy the economic fruits of the EU but pursue a cultural policy more in line with Russia but this delusion has now clearly ended. The EU enjoys very high support in Hungary and Orban understands that Russia cannot ever replace the bloc economically. It’s still a poor country which needs infra support. Who will blink first? Orban’s rule looks much more secure to my eyes than does that of PiS in Poland (where most of the media isn’t pro-government and there is lower public support for the ruling party). So I don’t think he will be toppled, but the EU isn’t backing down either. Ordinary Hungarians will suffer, as this would affect their convergence potential.

    As I always said: liberalism wins because its adherents know how to co-operate and create prosperous societies. Some call this “loyalty-generating mechanisms”. NATO is militarily powerful and crates a massive security umbrella. If conservative-nationalists want to win they must match this. Since they can’t, they cannot counter on liberal societies to underwrite their projects. Hungary is now going to experience this firsthand. Russia can’t bail out Hungary. It has to face the world as it is; not as it wishes it to be.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Thulean Friend


    In the end, the people who hold the purse strings are the ones who control the institutions. Orban thought he could enjoy the economic fruits of the EU but pursue a cultural policy more in line with Russia but this delusion has now clearly ended
     
    In the end, sovereign nations are more powerful than institutions. The deluded ECJ has badly overstepped its authority.

    If funding promised via the EU deal is arbitrarily denied, sovereign nations will exercise their powers. German banks and manufacturers are the #1 beneficiary of authoritarian EU over reach. One can imagine Hungary and Poland placing taxes/tariffs on VW and DB to sanction the Berlin controlled EC.

    If Germany does not want to be part of a union among sovereign equals, they can always exit the EU.
    ________

    Hungary has a huge advantage over Germany's EC. They locked in a huge, cheap gas deal with Gazprom. Orban can veto any EU sanctions. Then they will exploit this cost advantage to advance the Hungarian economy.

    Germany's citizens legal and illegal population will freeze for the next several winters while Hungary prospers.

    Authoritarian EU Elites have to face national sovereignty as it is; not as it wishes it to be.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    Most all economic development in Hungary, is a result of wealthy Western countries giving them money, or transferring industry there, or opening their markets to the lower cost of labor there.

    At the same time, Orban uses rhetoric of complaining against those wealthy Western countries which pay for his country, for internal consumption (local voters view it as restoration of pride, etc).

    But while Orban benefits politically, what happens to Hungary, if wealthy countries decide one day to stop paying for it, and to what extent can this be influenced by ungrateful rhetoric of local politicians in the poor/subsidized country against the wealthy/subsidizing country?

    Whether a wealthy country should pay for economic development of a poor country, is not going to be a decision that can be completely rational, as these economies and countries are complex unpredictable systems (nobody can calculate likely what long-term effect can be of this kind of decision).

    So, in the end, there are emotions in these decisions, and if you give money to a homeless person and they smile, or you give money and they say "I tricked you". Which behavior more likely increases probability of giving money to the homeless person again in the future.

    If you were Hungarian and not an idiot, you should be hoping for much more careful rhetoric from the political class.

    Replies: @LatW

  826. @Dmitry
    @songbird

    Recently I was watching YouTube about the new mayor of New York. He wants to have vegan Friday for the children to reduce obesity.

    What they said on YouTube, is FDA rules means they have to give milk in every free meal in New York schools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrVpZyYBuN8.

    I'm wondering if the dairy farmers have bargaining power or some state capture in politics, or if the FDA is just such paternalism.

    Replies: @songbird

    I’m wondering if the dairy farmers have bargaining power or some state capture in politics, or if the FDA is just such paternalism.

    One reason that I think milk is still common in American schools is that it is a legacy of heritage Americans being very lactose tolerant. In particular, Britain and Ireland, which might have a greater penetrance for lactose tolerance than anywhere else in the world. But it would be higher in NW Europe than NE.

    Beyond that, it seems like a lot of lobbying went into it. An organization called the National Dairy Council is >100 years old and helped promote milk in schools.

    If you are interested in American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching “milk does a body good.” These were a series of commercials that were prominent when I was a kid. Some of them are quite amusing, such as the scrawny kid who was picked on becoming jacked and having people step aside.

    BTW, I’d be very curious to know whether you ever saw milk in Russian schools. Based on this website, it is still not common (only 10%) But Russians must be less lactose tolerant than English people.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @songbird


    If you are interested in American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching “milk does a body good.” These were a series of commercials that were prominent when I was a kid.
     
    I wonder if that's what this other sort of commercials were based on :-)

    http://img.picturequotes.com/2/66/65223/alcohol-doesnt-solve-any-problems-but-then-again-neither-does-milk-quote-1.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Dmitry
    @songbird


    Americans being very lactose tolerant
     
    Children in every country should be lactose tolerant for drinking milk, as lactose intolerance begins only with adults.

    In European nationalities with longer experience with dairy milk (although still only around <240 generations), there is higher level of adaptation called "lactase persistence" among adults (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence).

    This matches the experiments with fruit flies.

    Fruit flies are historically eating apples. In a laboratory in America, they have a group of fruit flies eating bananas for some 1000 or less generations.

    These fruit flies still have equal health when eating either banana or apple diet. But among the older fruit flies, the health is falling with the banana (1000 generation) diet.

    This is apparently like a thirty year experience.

    In one paper, they hypothesize from this in maybe not such convincing way. "Our results suggest that young people from populations with long histories of agriculture may be well adapted to agricultural diets. But at later ages, such adaptation to agricultural life may fail" (https://escholarship.org/content/qt738828jj/qt738828jj.pdf)


    American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching “milk does a body good.” These were a series of commercials

     

    Much of 20th century American culture has been been influenced with "state capture" by different industries, including agriculture. Of course, oil industry, automobile industry, etc, are very obvious examples in modern culture.

    Some external public agencies like "USAID" was created to help internal private agriculture interests in the 1950s.


    curious to know whether you ever saw milk in Russian schools.
     
    No, but apparently they tried to copy a school milk program from the United Kingdom perhaps around 10 or 15 years ago (this was an attempt to copy a British programme of drinking milk in schools). In my time, most people just had some chocolate bars in the class. Food provided in the canteen, for anyone brave or crazy to go there, was something categorically inedible, like some cold macaroni, perhaps made for Monday and serving from the same pot each day all week.

    Replies: @songbird

  827. Apparently Zelensky has rejigged the negotiating team, contrary to many I think theses talks are real and not a charade. It also seems they are quite close, although ceding the Donbass would necessitate it eb liberated first.

    Issue afterwards might be the unrealistic expectations of both sides, the Ukraine accepting all Russia’s demands with Crimea, the Donbass and neutrality, whereas many Russians still have unrealistic dreams of annex half of the Ukraine. Ironic that Russia attaining all its goals might be seen as a defeat by some. I also wonder what will happen in the Ukraine, can’t imagine the extreme elements will be happy.

    • Replies: @AP
    @LondonBob

    Zelensky has stated that any peace deal will require a referendum for ratification. He has accumulated a lot of political capital with his personal heroism and can convince, but will not act without having convinced. So any peace deal would have to be one that would be acceptable to most Ukrainians - which would be one that Russian nationalists would hate.

    At the moment I don’t see Ukrainians agreeing to any concessions towards the country that chose to invade them and murder its people, other then no NATO. Personally I think that the pre-February 2022 border was ideal, that Crimea and urban Donbas are poison pills with hostile anti-Ukrainian populations, and that officially recognising their loss (particularly in exchange for financial compensation) would be good for Ukraine. But most Ukrainians don’t feel that way. Maybe Zelensky can convince them to change their minds about that. Fast track to EU might sweeten the pot. Few in Ukraine would ever agree to abandon their Ukrainian brothers in Kherson and other areas seized by Russian murderers though.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @RadicalCenter

  828. @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    Even the unsweetened oatmilk, is quite sugary. It tastes good with coffee.

    But its health benefit could be more questioned as it has a lot of maltose.

    In terms of the health effect, I've read claims that "casein" in milk reduces the health benefit of tea (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10913-milk-wrecks-the-health-benefits-of-tea/). So, perhaps oat milk would be better than adding real milk to tea.


    milk worthy of being consumed raw. This is better for the cow, produces better income for the farmer, and better taste
     
    Well, better for cows, is not unimportant, if you know those animals.

    One of my relatives is a dairy farmer. I was on their farm only a few times in childhood and dislike intensely, but I used to wait while my cousin has to do tasks with their cows. I remember cows used to be very scared of me. If I touched them, they almost fall over trying to run away.

    But then when people they know are near them, they were friendly. Apparently, all have different personality, they can remember the humans who are kind with them. Some cows are friendly and say "hello", some are shy. I'm not sure they're so different to cats and dogs.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa

    The more you are around animals, the more you see they all have personalities and the more you appreciate them. My friend used to keep ducks, and I was surprised at how interesting and relatable they were.

    That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t eat them, but it does mean we should treat them with the utmost kindness and respect. (I know you haven’t commented on whether or not we should eat animals).

    Many primitive tribes would have a specially intimate and personal relationship with the animal they most ate, and of course all primitive cultures saw animals as ensouled to a far greater degree than modern society (Descartes, the philosopher of modernity and automation, initiated the idea that animals are automatons who can be used without regard, which is the basis of factory farming) – although only in very recent times, we may be returning to a similar appreciation for animals.

    Merely surviving is not the most important thing, and as long as the animal has had a good life in conditions that are natural to it, it is good to eat it.

    In fact, eating animals affirms the “oneness” of all life and the interconnected of everything.

    When I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me. The worst fate is to be embalmed or put in a steel coffin, that hideous modern practice, thus even in death affirming ones separation from all life.

    There is a beautiful Tibetan burial practice called “sky burial”, where they take your body to a high cliff in the mountains, and cut you into pieces for the vultures and other wild beasts to eat you, thus affirming your connection to, and compassion for, the whole of life.

    That is only right, as the Tibetans are great meat eaters while alive.

    Certain traditional cultures like Buddhists and Hindus, or certain sects within them, don’t eat animals for spiritual reasons, and I respect that.

    But the modern aversion to eating animals, that I have often seen up close, seems to me based on a pathological fragility that comes from the modern inability to see the “oneness” of life, and the pathological modern belief that death is the absolute worst thing.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @AaronB


    When I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me. The worst fate is to be embalmed or put in a steel coffin, that hideous modern practice, thus even in death affirming ones separation from all life.

    There is a beautiful Tibetan burial practice called “sky burial”, where they take your body to a high cliff in the mountains, and cut you into pieces for the vultures and other wild beasts to eat you, thus affirming your connection to, and compassion for, the whole of life.
     
    Same here. I plan on putting together a simple pine box at some point to have on the ready. I've also already informed my kids (their spouses can help!) that they are responsible for digging the hole I get buried in. I told them if they bring a backhoe in to do it, I'm going to haunt them!

    The Tibetan practice seems to also have a lot to do with the lack of fuel for cremations as well as the ground being too frozen for burial. This is not to denigrate it's spiritual aspect, but in fact most things which are spiritually and naturally attuned are actually quite practical as well, stemming as they do from an embrace of reality. There is nothing more tone deaf than a concrete vault for the dead!

    On killing animals, it is a task which I do reluctantly and with some regret each time. Taking a life should probably hurt the taker a bit, and this is possible without being overly squeamish and maudlin. In the end I'd rather know the animal I ate had a clean death than hand the task over to faceless entities.

    Replies: @songbird, @iffen, @iffen

  829. @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    If you like the taste, then enjoy. But it's not such a "natural" food, in the sense it has only been in human food supply for <240 generations, with introduction of dairy farming technology.

    What the health implications would be? Who knows (.

    But you know the popular theory, from the experiments with fruit flies, where giving fruit flies diet which they have eaten <1000 generations, results in worse average health for the older flies, although younger flies are more adapted to more recent (almost another way to say, "less natural") diet.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @AaronB

    I know some extreme Paleo types basically think humans should only be eating meat and vegetables, but I am not so extreme.

    My very simple heuristic is that returning to the way we ate before say 1850 – although I am not committed to this precise number – would create a significant increase in human vitality. Plenty of human groups flourished on a diet of raw dairy products in historical times.

    It was during the Boer War that the British first began to notice a drastic decline in the physical fitness of it’s rank and file soldiers and grew seriously alarmed, and many modern methods of food processing were invented during this time (although the upper classes still ate exceptionally well along traditional lines, and Barbara Tuchman in her fascinating book about the 19th century records the immense vitality and energy of the aristocracy, who would often walk for 30 miles a day or even more, and during this period in Britain the upper classes were marked by being significantly taller than the lower).

    George Orwell observed that after the first world war he no longer saw the same robust and dashing physiques he remembered from his childhood in large numbers, mainly along the upper officer class.. He thought the war had killed them off, but that seems unlikely.

    Now that I have made walking for ten hours a day over rough terrain in the wilderness a significant – and hopefully growing – part of my life, I can no longer deny the huge impact diet has on my stamina and general vitality. It’s easier to not notice that in the city.

    I simply feel so much better on a “natural” diet. I have energy and want to move every day, whereas eating a modern diet makes me sedentary – perhaps that isn’t a coincidence, as the modern workplace demands a sedentary life. And I was already eating more naturally and healthy than the average American, who I can only imagine how poorly they feel on a daily basis.

    But finally and most importantly, while spiritual health and physical health are deeply connected my primary goal here is spiritual rejection of modern “artificiality”, and my goal is to affirm a more connected and cooperative attitude to Nature and God – not merely be healthy.

    Lately I have begun to realize that many areas of my life are not consistent – or not as much as I’d like – with my spiritual ideals, and am undertaking an overhaul of my lifestyle to greatly enrich my spirituality.

    Everything is connected, and what you eat cannot not have an impact on you spiritually.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Orwell observed that after the first world war he no longer saw the same robust
     
    If true, it is probably just effect of smaller "survival bias" in adults, after fall in infant mortality.

    Orwell was living in London, so perhaps he could see this effect after First World War, as more children survive to be adults. Or perhaps, he just moved to a lower social class area.

    https://i.imgur.com/KWMJatv.png


    returning to the way we ate before say 1850 –
     
    Foods which seem to have a strong correlation with health are like nuts, berries (https://news.umich.edu/small-changes-in-diet-could-help-you-live-healthier-more-sustainably/), which probably related more to our non-human ancestry, than our human ancestry.

    Cow milk is extremely recent in human food supply, with the oldest societies starting to drink it about 240 generations ago.

    Human's able to use fire is something like around 40,000 generations ago, which is more signficant. (For all previous generations, we were eating raw food diet).

    But mainly our anatomy evolved while we were this kind of animal - this is picture of "purgatorius", believed to be our primate ancestor, the earliest primate. He wasn't cooking hamburgers.

    https://i.imgur.com/dO8vumu.jpg


    Descartes, the philosopher of modernity and automation,
     
    Descartes is not a philosopher of automation. He believes human soul is eternal, separate from the body, with free will, etc.

    It's only he thought animals were automated, which seems kind of ridiculously wrong if you know some animals (although perhaps, an evil demon could be tricking us to believe they have souls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon ), but not exactly the central part of his philosophy.


    I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me
     
    Here I would agree (just from intuition, which is all we have for this topic) more with Descartes, that when you are dead, your body is irrelevant. So, worms, do not eat "you", as you are not the same as your body in that stage.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu

  830. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Colin Wright

    Did you know during the training season (now) the biggest beasts in the NFL, fellows like Aaron Donald and Watt brothers and Derrick Henry drink a gallon of milk a day?

    Not that 2% crap.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    High activity levels along with high quality fat intake is quite healthy.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Barbarossa

    Plenty of milk, butter, almonds, and fruit are the basis of the traditional Indian wrestler's diet (plus normal dietary items, of course).

  831. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon
    @A123


    The only one here demanding total and immediate decoupling and 100% trade bans is *YOU*! Your desired course of action will be problematic for America. And, it will be a complete catastrophe for Chinese workers. In fact, Under rational MAGA trade, there still will be imports from China. MAGA’s goal is not your preferred 100% ban. The policy is related to key national security materials and production.
     
    Don't put words into my mouth. I demand nothing but China and the US resolving differences in economic and trade policy. At least you understand Trumpism shouldn't go too fast, too radical on this.

    There's this possibility of Trumpists or *gasp* Brandonists rapidly imposing sanctions on China until trade relations resemble Russia, which benefits no one and both of us don't want to see.

    Replies: @A123

    Don’t put words into my mouth.

    I only do it after YOU put words in mine. If YOU change YOUR behaviour, the problem will go away.

    Trumpists or *gasp* Brandonists

    Both of these terms are highly misleading, thus leading to muddy and inaccurate thinking.

    The MAGA movement is much larger than any single individual. The invalid label “Trumpist” is used by authoritarian SJW’s who despise American citizens. It signals desperate (and ineffective) flailing against sound policy.

    Not-The-President Biden is a puppet with no followers. Look at what happened recently when Obama and Biden were in the same room (15 second clip).

    Do you expect anyone to believe that “Brandonists” or “Bidenists” exist? A population with a count of zero by definition has neither policy nor beliefs.

    sanctions on China until trade relations resemble Russia, which benefits no one and both of us don’t want to see.

    You are skirting very close to putting words in my mouth. As I previously stated…

    The SJW/DNC used Orwellian indoctrination to create the “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth. Their dogmatic followers now inflexibly believe in the myth as truth. While this was done for solely domestic purposes, it has foreign policy implications. They cannot unwind the myth without admitting they lied. Thus, they are now forced into irrational policies towards Putin and Russia. The Orwellian myth is so emotionally powerful to SJW acolytes, it spills over and onto those who support (or oppose) Russia.

    If China chooses to close ranks with Putin while the “Russia, Russia, Russia” legend controls the hearts and souls of millions…. Xi is intentionally volunteering to accept the spill over from his choice. Beijing apparently believes that their “gifts” to Hunter Biden will set policy. The CCP Elites will soon learn a very painful lesson:

    You Cannot Bribe An Avalanche To Change Course

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Yellowface Anon
  832. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Deus Vult!

    P.S. You should apply with a serious face and use this white supremacist/extremist post of mine as a proof/reference of such phenomenon in EU too ;)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Commentator Mike

    Does such research require 4 years and deserve a Ph.D.? Sounds more like a high school project.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Commentator Mike

    What is the ratio of Deus Vult to Allahu Akbar in Western Europe? 1:1000?

    And how many times does someone say sic semper tyrannis compared to the leftist battle-cry "diversity is our strength?"

    Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Yellowface Anon

    , @sudden death
    @Commentator Mike

    O tempora, o mores!

    P.S. Yet another kindly provided proof of Latin use by extremists in EU for respectable scholars ;)

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Barbarossa
    @Commentator Mike

    Grifters gonna grift!

    Thar's money to be made in them thar' halls (of academia)!

  833. @Mikel
    @sudden death

    Yes, that kind of shocking claims found on Twitter are almost invariably fake.

    But I wouldn't be too dismissive of Russian propaganda because ours in the West is arguably worse. Whatever happened in Bucha, I'm finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC "fact checkers" concluded last week that they were unable to "verify" the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn't even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn't even cross their minds.

    And I mean, this is all the same people who decided to protect our delicate eyes from seeing anything about the Hunter Biden laptop because its contents were "unverified" but now are effectively pushing for WW3 over some much murkier events in a war zone full of bloodthirsty combatants. It's just scary.

    I'm not entirely sure that there really are evil motives behind all this though. I'm afraid that at least a good part of it all could just be plain stupidity. Why did Chancellor Scholz find it appropriate to mock the accusations of "genocide" in Donbass? What happened there may not technically amount to genocide but I very much fear that a German Chancellor in 2022 may be unaware that the Ukrainians did indeed kill thousands of their own civilians in Donbass. Just as Putin has shown a tremendous amount of hubris in the war he planned, we in the West are also choke full of it.

    I bought a hand-cranked radio the other day at Walmart and I think it's time to order a Geyger counter from Amazon as well.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Triteleia Laxa

    Whatever happened in Bucha, I’m finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC “fact checkers” concluded last week that they were unable to “verify” the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn’t even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn’t even cross their minds.

    Do you find that the horrific scenes of senseless slaughter, destruction of people’s homes, stories of rape and pillage “unbearable” because they’re an accurate reflection of what Russian military soldiers have perpetrated in places like Bucha (Mariupol, Irpin, Izum and many other places too), or because you really think that these scenes reflect the staged conduct of Ukrainian soldiers trying to gain the opprobrium of world opinion against forces from Russia? What exactly were these everyday citizens doing that necessitated the savage and criminal activity that was visited upon them?

    I’m not denying that savage and uncontrolled behavior has been visited upon these uninvited Russian guests, but I find your remarks to reflect the opinions of perhaps some real inherent Ukrainapobic feelings that you’ve managed to acquire somewhere, sometime in the past. You seem to be lopsidedly emphasizing the repercussions meted out to 1% of the foreign invaders, while shielding yourself from the truth meted out to 99% of the innocent civilians? Remember, I’m the one who once took your concerns about the Ukrainian bombing of a postal office in Donbas by Ukrainian soldiers seriously? I thought that you really were an individual that was concerned about the welfare of civilians caught in the midst of activities related to wartime activities? It looks to me that your prism of observation is hugely influenced by the ethnicity of the perpetrators of atrocities: Russians get a greenlight, Ukrainians do not. There is just too much documented evidence that exposes the war crimes perpetrated indicating genocide in these area, too many eyewitness accounts by individuals trapped in these areas, to try and sweep it all under some rug.

    Dismiss scenes of Russian torture chambers in Bucha where civilians were executed by Russian soldiers, by a “hysterical” western “propaganda machine” motivated to unfairly criticize Russian behavior in Ukraine? Is it fake news, like Lavrov and Mikel seem to be claiming?

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't know why you're lashing out at me. If you re-read my comment, you'll see that I wasn't talking about what is happening in the war and which party is worse. I was just talking about western media bias and what it's leading to.

    In that respect, you do not need to show me any CNN reports. I read CNN, Fox News and the BBC everyday. They never showed any interest in the civilians killed by the Ukrainian army but I consider it very important to know what they're saying now because that's the only information that normies are getting. And they are the ones filling the comments sections of my local newspaper with increasing demands to intervene in this war and no doubt pressing my state's congressmen to do that.

    If we end up going to war with Russia, as so many people and Ukrainian leaders keep demanding, how would the nuclear war that Putin threatened with benefit Ukrainian civilians? Even if the US manages to wipe out Russia's nuclear potential in such an exchange, would you like to be in Bucha or Borodianka? Perhaps people who died in those cities would end up being the lucky ones if neighboring Russia becomes a radioactive wasteland. Not to mention all the rest of innocent people who would also die in such an event, including my relatives in Europe.

    You are right however that in the distant past I was exposed to some anti-Ukrainian sentiment (not by Russians but by other neighbors) and that I let this come to the surface when I saw eight years ago what the Ukrainian military was capable of doing to their own civilians. I apologize for any anti-Ukrainian comment I've made in the past. I think you know that's not how I feel now that I have Ukrainians among my real life friends (and yourself among the digital ones, if you allow me to say so).

    In fact, at a purely emotional level, I wish Ukrainians would win this war (they have shown to deserve independence more than anyone if we measure it by their willingness to fight for it) and some pro-western politicians would take control of the Kremlin so that Russia stops being the threat to the rest of us they have become. We would all then just share the much less devastating battle against wokeness. The main thing that prevents me from rooting for Ukraine when I see the daily war reports is precisely the mendacity of our media. Sadly, the reports I read from the sources of an autocratic country like Russia are more trustworthy, self-critical and objective than the western ones. That's the level of rot we have allowed our media to develop.

    , @Peter Frost
    @Mr. Hack

    Do you find that the horrific scenes of senseless slaughter, destruction of people’s homes, stories of rape and pillage “unbearable” because they’re an accurate reflection of what Russian military soldiers have perpetrated in places like Bucha (Mariupol ...

    In the case of Mariupol, they're certainly an accurate reflection of what Ukrainian "soldiers" have perpetrated.

    As for Bucha, I have trouble believing that dead bodies could be left in the open for so long and show no signs of being eaten by stray dogs. If you know anything about Ukrainian towns, they have very large numbers of hungry stray dogs, as well as crows and rats.

    I guess the retreating Russian soldiers sprayed the bodies with cyanide. In fact, they did everything possible to maximize the shock effect.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @no_bs

  834. I’ve said it before, but I think it is pretty obvious that Musk understands demographics, even if he is very cagey about it, and only hints about it.

    The other day, he lamented that Telsa had no children.

  835. @Commentator Mike
    @sudden death

    Does such research require 4 years and deserve a Ph.D.? Sounds more like a high school project.

    Replies: @songbird, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    What is the ratio of Deus Vult to Allahu Akbar in Western Europe? 1:1000?

    And how many times does someone say sic semper tyrannis compared to the leftist battle-cry “diversity is our strength?”

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @songbird

    Sounds like a completely nonsense project. The things they get Ph.D.s in these days.

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird


    What is the ratio of Deus Vult to Allahu Akbar in Western Europe? 1:1000?
     
    By now I suspect part of those pro-immigration suckers are actually accelerationists who want to bring about illiberal European/White ethnostates/theocracies. A brutal regimen of cultural vaccination for reaction, if you will.

    Replies: @songbird

  836. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    High activity levels along with high quality fat intake is quite healthy.

    Replies: @RSDB

    Plenty of milk, butter, almonds, and fruit are the basis of the traditional Indian wrestler’s diet (plus normal dietary items, of course).

  837. AP says:
    @LondonBob
    Apparently Zelensky has rejigged the negotiating team, contrary to many I think theses talks are real and not a charade. It also seems they are quite close, although ceding the Donbass would necessitate it eb liberated first.

    Issue afterwards might be the unrealistic expectations of both sides, the Ukraine accepting all Russia's demands with Crimea, the Donbass and neutrality, whereas many Russians still have unrealistic dreams of annex half of the Ukraine. Ironic that Russia attaining all its goals might be seen as a defeat by some. I also wonder what will happen in the Ukraine, can't imagine the extreme elements will be happy.

    Replies: @AP

    Zelensky has stated that any peace deal will require a referendum for ratification. He has accumulated a lot of political capital with his personal heroism and can convince, but will not act without having convinced. So any peace deal would have to be one that would be acceptable to most Ukrainians – which would be one that Russian nationalists would hate.

    At the moment I don’t see Ukrainians agreeing to any concessions towards the country that chose to invade them and murder its people, other then no NATO. Personally I think that the pre-February 2022 border was ideal, that Crimea and urban Donbas are poison pills with hostile anti-Ukrainian populations, and that officially recognising their loss (particularly in exchange for financial compensation) would be good for Ukraine. But most Ukrainians don’t feel that way. Maybe Zelensky can convince them to change their minds about that. Fast track to EU might sweeten the pot. Few in Ukraine would ever agree to abandon their Ukrainian brothers in Kherson and other areas seized by Russian murderers though.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @AP

    I am no expert but I suspect such a referendum would pass quite handsomely, clever to actually put it to a referendum, would neuter the extremists if and when it passes, whether those extremists are in the West or the Ukraine.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    , @RadicalCenter
    @AP

    You mean, “few” other than the millions of ukrainian residents who have become Russian citizens and/or moved to Russia, and the many Russian-speaking people still in the ukraine who support Russia’s actions.

    And since when does a country or nation pay financial compensation to the scumbags who have been terrorizing and attacking its people? Whatever is left of the ukraine should pay compensation to the beleaguered people of the Donbas region, not the other way around.

    Replies: @AP

  838. Very saddened to learn of the death of the great man with the great mind and true PATRIOT, Vladimir Zhirinovsky.

    Where Germany has these useless freaks, and useless scum countries like Poland and the 3 baltic states have nothing but useless scum politicians……I am proud that Russia has had this wonderful man.
    A true shame for everybody that he could not launch his genius into talking about this war. A wonderful force of nature

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    RIP.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSLMJQwUeRQ

    Gerard, what do you make of Strelkov's/Girkin's recent comments?

  839. @Mikel
    @sudden death

    Yes, that kind of shocking claims found on Twitter are almost invariably fake.

    But I wouldn't be too dismissive of Russian propaganda because ours in the West is arguably worse. Whatever happened in Bucha, I'm finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC "fact checkers" concluded last week that they were unable to "verify" the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn't even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn't even cross their minds.

    And I mean, this is all the same people who decided to protect our delicate eyes from seeing anything about the Hunter Biden laptop because its contents were "unverified" but now are effectively pushing for WW3 over some much murkier events in a war zone full of bloodthirsty combatants. It's just scary.

    I'm not entirely sure that there really are evil motives behind all this though. I'm afraid that at least a good part of it all could just be plain stupidity. Why did Chancellor Scholz find it appropriate to mock the accusations of "genocide" in Donbass? What happened there may not technically amount to genocide but I very much fear that a German Chancellor in 2022 may be unaware that the Ukrainians did indeed kill thousands of their own civilians in Donbass. Just as Putin has shown a tremendous amount of hubris in the war he planned, we in the West are also choke full of it.

    I bought a hand-cranked radio the other day at Walmart and I think it's time to order a Geyger counter from Amazon as well.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Triteleia Laxa

    But I wouldn’t be too dismissive of Russian propaganda because ours in the West is arguably worse. Whatever happened in Bucha, I’m finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable.

    No, I’ll tell you what you are finding unbearable. There are three things:

    1. Realising that you have been living in a bullsh*t narrative of Russian progaganda for so long.

    2. Realising how stupid you have been.

    3. The shocking feeling of guilt that is slowly surfacing to your conscious for what you have been cheerleading.

    You have been a useful idiot for the evil you thought you were opposing. Time to admit it, have a bath and start afresh.

    The longer you take, the worse the damage to your psyche will be.

    Or do you want to go even further down the paranoid delusion hole and start pretending that the massacre at Bucha is fake, that Russia has captured a US General, that the Russian retreat was the plan all along and that Ukrainians are only defending their homeland because Netflix told them to?

    Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality." - Not very likely but possible in cases of Mikel and German_reader.

    Useful idiocy of characters like Mikel or German_reader has its origin in the same psycho-operation that was performed on the brains of rightoids in last 5-10 years which resulted in complete distrust and hostility towards 'official' narratives promulgated by the MSM and thus the first reaction they always have is: 'they are lying' as they did on issues X, Y and X and thus I must believe only those who say the opposite to what the MSM say and even more so when they are vilified by the MSM. Obviously this is a fallacious syllogism but they get trapped in it. This fallacious syllogism is often used explicitly by Ron Unz.

    But what makes Mikel and German_reader different from typical denizens of the Ron Unz's rightoid sabbath is that Mikel and German_reader could be mistaken for normal people (unlike majority of unz-dot-com commentariat), that in most social contexts their pathology would remains hidden under the surface and would not manifest itself except for a minor trait of passive aggressiveness to cut down any certainty you may display which is a form of projection as they lack certainty and courage so they want to bring you to their 'misery likes company' reality. You could imagine having drinks with them and never noticing what is beneath the surface.

    But most important reason for the difference is that Mikel and German_reader have a very strong feminine element (*) in their personas and that's why they emphasizes passivity and concerns for suffering of civilians and women and children in particular. Acts of active resistance are too risky and too masculine for them. Zelensky challenges that and that's why he irks them very much to the point of hatred. They would like Ukraine to lay down, spread her legs and enjoy what Russia will do to her. This case of projection is utilized very well by Kremlin propaganda.

    Mikel and German_reader belong to the faction of cunts and twats rather than openly deplorable fetishists of power and 'might makes right' among Putin supporters.

    While Mikel or German_reader may argue like rightoids deep down they are liberals who feel betrayed by liberalism and what they often sputter in form of whinging (very visible in German_reader) is the deep sense of betrayal (accusation d of hypocrisy of the West) but there is not an ounce of any conviction left in them. Their only moral dilemma is when to spread their legs so it does not look like too premature invitation to rape. Even cunts and twats still care for some appearance of dignity.

    (*) 'feminine element' as an archetype that many women do not have but when the feminine element dominates woman's personality there is not dissonance and there is no lack of courage but when a man has feminine element dominat it is sure sign of cowardliness and nothing else comes to one's mind than a twat or a cunt.

    Replies: @Mikel, @iffen, @PhysicistDave, @Triteleia Laxa

  840. A123 says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend
    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Hungary being the first target of the EU slashing its funding. This process was launched immediately after the election.

    Right now there are three pillars of EU funding: CAP (money to farmers), structural funds (infra funding) and finally Covid-related loans and grants which are a one-off measure. The latter has been withheld but now we're talking structural funds which are permanent. CAP isn't being touched.

    Hungary and Poland both went to the ECJ to protest but the court slapped them down in February, giving the EU commission green light. Unlike in the past, there is no longer a need to do this unanimously as a qualified majority will suffice. Budapest could count on Warsaw blocking everything but this is no longer possible even if Warsaw will likely oppose this measure.

    In the end, the people who hold the purse strings are the ones who control the institutions. Orban thought he could enjoy the economic fruits of the EU but pursue a cultural policy more in line with Russia but this delusion has now clearly ended. The EU enjoys very high support in Hungary and Orban understands that Russia cannot ever replace the bloc economically. It's still a poor country which needs infra support. Who will blink first? Orban's rule looks much more secure to my eyes than does that of PiS in Poland (where most of the media isn't pro-government and there is lower public support for the ruling party). So I don't think he will be toppled, but the EU isn't backing down either. Ordinary Hungarians will suffer, as this would affect their convergence potential.

    As I always said: liberalism wins because its adherents know how to co-operate and create prosperous societies. Some call this "loyalty-generating mechanisms". NATO is militarily powerful and crates a massive security umbrella. If conservative-nationalists want to win they must match this. Since they can't, they cannot counter on liberal societies to underwrite their projects. Hungary is now going to experience this firsthand. Russia can't bail out Hungary. It has to face the world as it is; not as it wishes it to be.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    In the end, the people who hold the purse strings are the ones who control the institutions. Orban thought he could enjoy the economic fruits of the EU but pursue a cultural policy more in line with Russia but this delusion has now clearly ended

    In the end, sovereign nations are more powerful than institutions. The deluded ECJ has badly overstepped its authority.

    If funding promised via the EU deal is arbitrarily denied, sovereign nations will exercise their powers. German banks and manufacturers are the #1 beneficiary of authoritarian EU over reach. One can imagine Hungary and Poland placing taxes/tariffs on VW and DB to sanction the Berlin controlled EC.

    If Germany does not want to be part of a union among sovereign equals, they can always exit the EU.
    ________

    Hungary has a huge advantage over Germany’s EC. They locked in a huge, cheap gas deal with Gazprom. Orban can veto any EU sanctions. Then they will exploit this cost advantage to advance the Hungarian economy.

    Germany’s citizens legal and illegal population will freeze for the next several winters while Hungary prospers.

    Authoritarian EU Elites have to face national sovereignty as it is; not as it wishes it to be.

    PEACE 😇

  841. @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz


    fashioned cruise missiles
     
    Strategic nuclear weapons are fired by intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    Cruise missiles are a kind of small unmanned, subsonic kamikaze plane. They are used for tactical bombing of fixed targets.

    shoot down all our
     
    From all I read, intercontinental ballistic missiles cannot be intercepted by current missile defense, well at least with MIRV (Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle).

    NATO's strategic nuclear weapons use MIRV, while Russia is currently also upgrading to this system (with around 30% of strategic missiles now claimed to be moving to MIRV according to the articles I read)

    their hypersonics seems to be
     
    Strategic nuclear weapons, on all sides, will be from intercontinental ballistic missiles, which are "hypersonic" (above Mach 5). For example, the new intercontinental ballistic missiles are going to Mach 23.

    In strategic missile conflict between Russia vs. USA (with maybe UK and France). Weapons used will be these below.

    Russia
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava
    From land
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2PM2_Topol-M

    USA
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGM-133_Trident_II
    From land
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman

    France
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M51_(missile)

    United Kingdom
    From submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(UK_nuclear_programme)

    rational individual with extremely limited aims who certainly doesn’t want to risk nuclear war.
     
    Nuclear war is always very unlikely, but because as an ordinary citizen we can't really know how unlikely. It is still a good idea to know how you would manage.

    There is the map of probable targets in the USA according to Federal Emergency Management Agency. Blast radius is not that large of the weapons and number fired would not be as many as shown in this map, but fallout would be going over wider areas.

    https://i.imgur.com/7im3yi8.gif

    For Russia, NATO would probably focus on "genociding" the country by destroying of cities.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @RadicalCenter

    Russia is far too vulnerable to being crippled by attacks on Moscow and SPB.

    Russia needs to reduce the extreme concentration of people, jobs, and factories in Moscow and SPB areas and incentivize people to move to the far eastern oblasty (and incentivize them much more financially to have a big family) ASAP. Start building and populating those Far Eastern District cities we have been hearing Putin and Shoigu et al. tout.

  842. I’m sure that most here are already aware of it, but here’s another excellent two hour interview with Scott Ritter by the Duran people two days ago:

    Video Link

    He comes across to me as extremely knowledgeable and credible, but others should take a look and decide for themselves.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, I've asked you this before, but why is it that every time you think you've found that one credible person who agrees with you, they turn out to be a sick freak or have a deranged and antisocial personality?

    Remember your supposedly "major academic" and LARPing as Camille Paglia "Raches?" Who was, in reality, a mentally subnormal headcase who was wrong about everything?

    Or what about your legion of followers who spent two years pretending that Covid didn't exist and that the vaccine would wipe out 95% of the world's population real soon?

    Anyway, here is groomer Scott Ritter on Russia and Ukraine. He is clearly extremely competent. Look at the snapshots. Russia would never invade. Russia's assault on Kyiv is a wild success. Russian soldiers would never do war crimes.

    What a f*cking abhorrent joke

    https://twitter.com/keepinitciviI/status/1511724283252330496?t=EdfHbqKkEF-Ets36H_19-Q&s=19

  843. I think the idea that Russian and Ukrainian are “practically the same language” is a bit of a myth.

    Ukrainian doesn’t seem that much closer to Russian than Serbo-Croatian in my opinion, they all have a lot of similarities and overlap but also significant differences that make them distinct languages.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Europe Europa

    The languages are much further from each other than Serbian is from Croatian and anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or has gullibly believed liars.

    They are about as distant as German is from Dutch. Ukraine has a more complex grammar and is more “archaic” so in terms of language itself it would be the German in this analogy, although in terms of population size it would be like Dutch.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @LatW
    @Europe Europa


    Ukrainian doesn’t seem that much closer to Russian than Serbo-Croatian in my opinion, they all have a lot of similarities and overlap but also significant differences that make them distinct languages.
     
    Ukrainian is closer to Serbo-Croatian (and Polish & Slovak) than Russian is to those languages. I guess they can be called Lusatian. There's a range of vocabulary that is common to all those languages but not Russian. Ukrainian is definitely more archaic, the connection with the Baltic languages (including Old Prussian) is more noticeable than in Russian.

    Patria et libertas.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  844. Is it true that both of Stefan Molyneux’s parents were institutionalized?

    Always thought that his patterns of speech in conversations suggested an over-excitatory brain, with a lack of inhibitory impulses.

  845. @Ron Unz
    I'm sure that most here are already aware of it, but here's another excellent two hour interview with Scott Ritter by the Duran people two days ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN7o-ThhFfY

    He comes across to me as extremely knowledgeable and credible, but others should take a look and decide for themselves.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Ron, I’ve asked you this before, but why is it that every time you think you’ve found that one credible person who agrees with you, they turn out to be a sick freak or have a deranged and antisocial personality?

    Remember your supposedly “major academic” and LARPing as Camille Paglia “Raches?” Who was, in reality, a mentally subnormal headcase who was wrong about everything?

    Or what about your legion of followers who spent two years pretending that Covid didn’t exist and that the vaccine would wipe out 95% of the world’s population real soon?

    Anyway, here is groomer Scott Ritter on Russia and Ukraine. He is clearly extremely competent. Look at the snapshots. Russia would never invade. Russia’s assault on Kyiv is a wild success. Russian soldiers would never do war crimes.

    What a f*cking abhorrent joke

    https://twitter.com/keepinitciviI/status/1511724283252330496?t=EdfHbqKkEF-Ets36H_19-Q&s=19

  846. @songbird
    @Commentator Mike

    What is the ratio of Deus Vult to Allahu Akbar in Western Europe? 1:1000?

    And how many times does someone say sic semper tyrannis compared to the leftist battle-cry "diversity is our strength?"

    Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Yellowface Anon

    Sounds like a completely nonsense project. The things they get Ph.D.s in these days.

    • Agree: songbird
  847. @Greasy William
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I just can't see direct NATO intervention. Europeans won't fight and while the US Deep State would love to put troops in Ukraine, the US public would never stand for it. Also I don't think that the current woke US military is capable of conducting successful combat operations.

    Replies: @Talha

    ‘Sup Homie,

    Glad to see you’re alive and kicking, I thought maybe you tried to slide up to some Persian girl and got curb-stomped by her brothers or something – be well.

    Peace.

  848. AP says:
    @Europe Europa
    I think the idea that Russian and Ukrainian are "practically the same language" is a bit of a myth.

    Ukrainian doesn't seem that much closer to Russian than Serbo-Croatian in my opinion, they all have a lot of similarities and overlap but also significant differences that make them distinct languages.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    The languages are much further from each other than Serbian is from Croatian and anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or has gullibly believed liars.

    They are about as distant as German is from Dutch. Ukraine has a more complex grammar and is more “archaic” so in terms of language itself it would be the German in this analogy, although in terms of population size it would be like Dutch.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @AP


    They are about as distant as German is from Dutch. Ukraine has a more complex grammar and is more “archaic”
     
    Just curious, it what respects? I barely know any Ukrainian, but I know it has the a synthetic-future conjugation, unlike any other Slavic language, but that's an innovative feature, not an archaism. And Ukrainian shares with Russian the lack of copula, which every other Slavic language has.

    To have more complex grammar than Russian isn't exactly a mean feat, I think only Polish (I find it funny that even Russians find Polish to be a tongue-twister) compares to it, from all surviving Indo-European languages. Well, perhaps Baltic languages still retain conjugations and morphology long lost by all the others, but I just don't know anything about them. Transitional/borderland languages with heavy outside influence/borrowing (English, Persian) usually have less complex grammar. Perhaps Czech (I don't know any) could be another exception in being a highly complex border-tongue, though it seems German influence had much less influence on Czech than Hungarian did on its gramatically much simpler Slovak neighbor.

    Replies: @AP, @AP

  849. I suppose a lot of modern piloting is based on display inputs, but I still find it difficult to believe that some super-ace would wear eyeglasses, such as the photo that was used to promote the “Ghost of Ukraine” meme. When you get on themepark rides, they tell you to take off your eyeglasses.

    AFAIK, laser eye surgery research was in part funded by the pentagon, with a specific view to give pilots better eyes.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    but I still find it difficult to believe that some super-ace would wear eyeglasses, such as the photo that was used to promote the “Ghost of Ukraine” meme
     
    My understanding is that prescription eyewear is not uncommon for older military & airline pilots. Doctors do make mistakes, and that could be a career ending injury.

    Some top tier race car drivers choose glasses. For example, Sebastian Bourdais. A Formula 1 car experiences negative 4-5 G's while decelerating. Carbon/Carbon brake systems are incredibly effective.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/ZKyX2/s3/2009-163112-sebastien-bourdais1.jpg
  850. @Commentator Mike
    @sudden death

    Does such research require 4 years and deserve a Ph.D.? Sounds more like a high school project.

    Replies: @songbird, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    O tempora, o mores!

    P.S. Yet another kindly provided proof of Latin use by extremists in EU for respectable scholars 😉

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    I like the idea of trying to make something of Ohio's state motto: imperium in imperio.

    Perhaps, these two lesbos have hit on the secret to reviving Latin, by making it seem fun and dangerous.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

  851. @sudden death
    @Commentator Mike

    O tempora, o mores!

    P.S. Yet another kindly provided proof of Latin use by extremists in EU for respectable scholars ;)

    Replies: @songbird

    I like the idea of trying to make something of Ohio’s state motto: imperium in imperio.

    Perhaps, these two lesbos have hit on the secret to reviving Latin, by making it seem fun and dangerous.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @songbird

    The most prominent use of Latin by right wing fascist Nazi white is Novus ordo seclorum on the US dollar note. That should be on the cover of that Ph.D. thesis.

    Replies: @songbird

  852. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    I’m wondering if the dairy farmers have bargaining power or some state capture in politics, or if the FDA is just such paternalism.
     
    One reason that I think milk is still common in American schools is that it is a legacy of heritage Americans being very lactose tolerant. In particular, Britain and Ireland, which might have a greater penetrance for lactose tolerance than anywhere else in the world. But it would be higher in NW Europe than NE.

    Beyond that, it seems like a lot of lobbying went into it. An organization called the National Dairy Council is >100 years old and helped promote milk in schools.

    If you are interested in American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching "milk does a body good." These were a series of commercials that were prominent when I was a kid. Some of them are quite amusing, such as the scrawny kid who was picked on becoming jacked and having people step aside.

    BTW, I'd be very curious to know whether you ever saw milk in Russian schools. Based on this website, it is still not common (only 10%) But Russians must be less lactose tolerant than English people.
    https://fil-idf.org/dairys-global-impact/school-milk-knowledge-hub/addressing-childhood-malnutrition-in-sri-lanka-2-2/

    Replies: @Mikel, @Dmitry

    If you are interested in American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching “milk does a body good.” These were a series of commercials that were prominent when I was a kid.

    I wonder if that’s what this other sort of commercials were based on 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mikel

    LOL. Probably.

    Meanwhile, in Ireland, the slogan "Guinness is good for you" goes back to the 1920s. But I believe it is now banned.

  853. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    I suppose a lot of modern piloting is based on display inputs, but I still find it difficult to believe that some super-ace would wear eyeglasses, such as the photo that was used to promote the "Ghost of Ukraine" meme. When you get on themepark rides, they tell you to take off your eyeglasses.

    AFAIK, laser eye surgery research was in part funded by the pentagon, with a specific view to give pilots better eyes.

    Replies: @A123

    but I still find it difficult to believe that some super-ace would wear eyeglasses, such as the photo that was used to promote the “Ghost of Ukraine” meme

    My understanding is that prescription eyewear is not uncommon for older military & airline pilots. Doctors do make mistakes, and that could be a career ending injury.

    Some top tier race car drivers choose glasses. For example, Sebastian Bourdais. A Formula 1 car experiences negative 4-5 G’s while decelerating. Carbon/Carbon brake systems are incredibly effective.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Thanks: songbird
  854. @Mikel
    @songbird


    If you are interested in American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching “milk does a body good.” These were a series of commercials that were prominent when I was a kid.
     
    I wonder if that's what this other sort of commercials were based on :-)

    http://img.picturequotes.com/2/66/65223/alcohol-doesnt-solve-any-problems-but-then-again-neither-does-milk-quote-1.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    LOL. Probably.

    Meanwhile, in Ireland, the slogan “Guinness is good for you” goes back to the 1920s. But I believe it is now banned.

  855. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikel


    Whatever happened in Bucha, I’m finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC “fact checkers” concluded last week that they were unable to “verify” the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn’t even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn’t even cross their minds.
     
    Do you find that the horrific scenes of senseless slaughter, destruction of people's homes, stories of rape and pillage "unbearable" because they're an accurate reflection of what Russian military soldiers have perpetrated in places like Bucha (Mariupol, Irpin, Izum and many other places too), or because you really think that these scenes reflect the staged conduct of Ukrainian soldiers trying to gain the opprobrium of world opinion against forces from Russia? What exactly were these everyday citizens doing that necessitated the savage and criminal activity that was visited upon them?

    I'm not denying that savage and uncontrolled behavior has been visited upon these uninvited Russian guests, but I find your remarks to reflect the opinions of perhaps some real inherent Ukrainapobic feelings that you've managed to acquire somewhere, sometime in the past. You seem to be lopsidedly emphasizing the repercussions meted out to 1% of the foreign invaders, while shielding yourself from the truth meted out to 99% of the innocent civilians? Remember, I'm the one who once took your concerns about the Ukrainian bombing of a postal office in Donbas by Ukrainian soldiers seriously? I thought that you really were an individual that was concerned about the welfare of civilians caught in the midst of activities related to wartime activities? It looks to me that your prism of observation is hugely influenced by the ethnicity of the perpetrators of atrocities: Russians get a greenlight, Ukrainians do not. There is just too much documented evidence that exposes the war crimes perpetrated indicating genocide in these area, too many eyewitness accounts by individuals trapped in these areas, to try and sweep it all under some rug.

    https://youtu.be/FDMprMAoINU
    Dismiss scenes of Russian torture chambers in Bucha where civilians were executed by Russian soldiers, by a "hysterical" western "propaganda machine" motivated to unfairly criticize Russian behavior in Ukraine? Is it fake news, like Lavrov and Mikel seem to be claiming?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Peter Frost

    I don’t know why you’re lashing out at me. If you re-read my comment, you’ll see that I wasn’t talking about what is happening in the war and which party is worse. I was just talking about western media bias and what it’s leading to.

    In that respect, you do not need to show me any CNN reports. I read CNN, Fox News and the BBC everyday. They never showed any interest in the civilians killed by the Ukrainian army but I consider it very important to know what they’re saying now because that’s the only information that normies are getting. And they are the ones filling the comments sections of my local newspaper with increasing demands to intervene in this war and no doubt pressing my state’s congressmen to do that.

    If we end up going to war with Russia, as so many people and Ukrainian leaders keep demanding, how would the nuclear war that Putin threatened with benefit Ukrainian civilians? Even if the US manages to wipe out Russia’s nuclear potential in such an exchange, would you like to be in Bucha or Borodianka? Perhaps people who died in those cities would end up being the lucky ones if neighboring Russia becomes a radioactive wasteland. Not to mention all the rest of innocent people who would also die in such an event, including my relatives in Europe.

    You are right however that in the distant past I was exposed to some anti-Ukrainian sentiment (not by Russians but by other neighbors) and that I let this come to the surface when I saw eight years ago what the Ukrainian military was capable of doing to their own civilians. I apologize for any anti-Ukrainian comment I’ve made in the past. I think you know that’s not how I feel now that I have Ukrainians among my real life friends (and yourself among the digital ones, if you allow me to say so).

    In fact, at a purely emotional level, I wish Ukrainians would win this war (they have shown to deserve independence more than anyone if we measure it by their willingness to fight for it) and some pro-western politicians would take control of the Kremlin so that Russia stops being the threat to the rest of us they have become. We would all then just share the much less devastating battle against wokeness. The main thing that prevents me from rooting for Ukraine when I see the daily war reports is precisely the mendacity of our media. Sadly, the reports I read from the sources of an autocratic country like Russia are more trustworthy, self-critical and objective than the western ones. That’s the level of rot we have allowed our media to develop.

  856. @Europe Europa
    I think the idea that Russian and Ukrainian are "practically the same language" is a bit of a myth.

    Ukrainian doesn't seem that much closer to Russian than Serbo-Croatian in my opinion, they all have a lot of similarities and overlap but also significant differences that make them distinct languages.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    Ukrainian doesn’t seem that much closer to Russian than Serbo-Croatian in my opinion, they all have a lot of similarities and overlap but also significant differences that make them distinct languages.

    Ukrainian is closer to Serbo-Croatian (and Polish & Slovak) than Russian is to those languages. I guess they can be called Lusatian. There’s a range of vocabulary that is common to all those languages but not Russian. Ukrainian is definitely more archaic, the connection with the Baltic languages (including Old Prussian) is more noticeable than in Russian.

    Patria et libertas.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @LatW

    Ukrainian is sufficiently distinct to be a separate language rather than just a dialect of Russian, but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarussian than to Polish or any other language:

    Here’s a useful video from Canadian linguist Paul Jorgensen about Russian and Ukrainian:
    https://youtu.be/CQLM62r5nLI

    Here’s one from EcoLinguist where Poles, Slovaks and Russians try to understand Ukrainian:
    https://youtu.be/e_IZkB2fg-w

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  857. i see twitter took care of the Scott Ritter situation by just making him disappear.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @prime noticer


    i see twitter took care of the Scott Ritter situation by just making him disappear.
     
    while the BBC runs top page articles on how the Russians struggle to find dissenting narratives...
    , @Ron Unz
    @prime noticer


    i see twitter took care of the Scott Ritter situation by just making him disappear.
     
    Not too surprising after his really great two hour interview with the Duran people a couple of days ago.

    BTW, regarding the supposed Bucha massacre, which I haven't bothered looking into, Nick Griffin just sent me his excellent piece from Sputnik in which he explains many of the extremely doubtful elements of the supposed evidence. Here's the link:

    https://www.unz.com/article/msms-bucha-tall-tale/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  858. @AP
    @LondonBob

    Zelensky has stated that any peace deal will require a referendum for ratification. He has accumulated a lot of political capital with his personal heroism and can convince, but will not act without having convinced. So any peace deal would have to be one that would be acceptable to most Ukrainians - which would be one that Russian nationalists would hate.

    At the moment I don’t see Ukrainians agreeing to any concessions towards the country that chose to invade them and murder its people, other then no NATO. Personally I think that the pre-February 2022 border was ideal, that Crimea and urban Donbas are poison pills with hostile anti-Ukrainian populations, and that officially recognising their loss (particularly in exchange for financial compensation) would be good for Ukraine. But most Ukrainians don’t feel that way. Maybe Zelensky can convince them to change their minds about that. Fast track to EU might sweeten the pot. Few in Ukraine would ever agree to abandon their Ukrainian brothers in Kherson and other areas seized by Russian murderers though.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @RadicalCenter

    I am no expert but I suspect such a referendum would pass quite handsomely, clever to actually put it to a referendum, would neuter the extremists if and when it passes, whether those extremists are in the West or the Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @LondonBob


    Ironic that Russia attaining all its goals might be seen as a defeat by some.
     
    The media has never said it is a war ("special military operation") and the objectives presented can be far lesser than a wholesale annexation.

    People like AK thinks Putin's real goal is annexing the entire Ukraine and he might very well be thinking of that, sooner or later. On a whole, from Putin's view, isolation is a victory for him - he the elite and population who see the West being over engaging with them, and now have a good siege mentality. These 2 are the places where we can debate whether it's a loss or gain strategically for Russia.
  859. @songbird
    @sudden death

    I like the idea of trying to make something of Ohio's state motto: imperium in imperio.

    Perhaps, these two lesbos have hit on the secret to reviving Latin, by making it seem fun and dangerous.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

    The most prominent use of Latin by right wing fascist Nazi white is Novus ordo seclorum on the US dollar note. That should be on the cover of that Ph.D. thesis.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Commentator Mike

    By-and-by, they will replace all the college mottoes with Swahili.

  860. @prime noticer
    i see twitter took care of the Scott Ritter situation by just making him disappear.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ron Unz

    i see twitter took care of the Scott Ritter situation by just making him disappear.

    while the BBC runs top page articles on how the Russians struggle to find dissenting narratives…

  861. Given Victoria Nudelman is running around Europe desperately trying to find new weapons to give the Ukrainians, mostly obsolete weapons which will only get the user killed, it sounds like the war might be coming to a natural end.

  862. @Commentator Mike
    @songbird

    The most prominent use of Latin by right wing fascist Nazi white is Novus ordo seclorum on the US dollar note. That should be on the cover of that Ph.D. thesis.

    Replies: @songbird

    By-and-by, they will replace all the college mottoes with Swahili.

  863. @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    Even the unsweetened oatmilk, is quite sugary. It tastes good with coffee.

    But its health benefit could be more questioned as it has a lot of maltose.

    In terms of the health effect, I've read claims that "casein" in milk reduces the health benefit of tea (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10913-milk-wrecks-the-health-benefits-of-tea/). So, perhaps oat milk would be better than adding real milk to tea.


    milk worthy of being consumed raw. This is better for the cow, produces better income for the farmer, and better taste
     
    Well, better for cows, is not unimportant, if you know those animals.

    One of my relatives is a dairy farmer. I was on their farm only a few times in childhood and dislike intensely, but I used to wait while my cousin has to do tasks with their cows. I remember cows used to be very scared of me. If I touched them, they almost fall over trying to run away.

    But then when people they know are near them, they were friendly. Apparently, all have different personality, they can remember the humans who are kind with them. Some cows are friendly and say "hello", some are shy. I'm not sure they're so different to cats and dogs.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa

    You are right that cattle have more personality than people give them credit for, especially breeds that are not so overbred. Holsteins (the black and white ones) are quite a bit dumber than the older breeds like my Jersey.

    I would say cattle are significantly less keen than dogs or cats or pigs and goats for that matter, but they have significant personality.

    My cow is quite a doting mother to her calves, which can be funny. She gets bent out of shape when the start frolicking around the pasture too far from her. My collie thinks that it’s great fun to frisk with the calf and the calf enjoys it too, but mama hates the dog and thinks he’s Satan’s spawn sent to eat her calf. If the dog gets into the pasture he starts playing with the calf while mama chases them around shaking her head and bellering.

    Having animals means I have plenty of entertainment without owning a TV.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    Holsteins (the black and white ones) are quite a bit dumber than the older breeds like my Jersey.
     
    Yes, I had a Holstein a long time ago and every time I've seen you explain how docile and friendly your Jersey is, I've wondered what I may have done wrong. She never quite saw me as a friendly creature, no matter how much care I gave her.

    BTW, I totally agree with you that milk from your own cow is unlikely to cause you any illness. You wouldn't give your family a product that you haven't taken all precautions to make sure is totally clean (difficult as it sometimes was with my silly Holstein). But still, we used to boil our fresh milk, which also helped with the skimming process.

    The whole experience left me skeptical about raising dairy animals. I'm not sure that I was able to experience the big flavor difference that AaronB and you talk about (perhaps because I boiled the milk?) but most of all, milking an animal everyday is a lot of work and commitment. I've often thought about keeping one or two goats on my 1.5 acre farm. They would also help with the weeds and fertilization. But, nice as my neighbors are, I would never ask them to take the big trouble of milking my goats when we go on vacation so it doesn't look likely I'll try any time soon.

    If you don't mind my asking, how do you solve the problem of traveling while raising a homestead cow?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Barbarossa

  864. utu says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikel


    But I wouldn’t be too dismissive of Russian propaganda because ours in the West is arguably worse. Whatever happened in Bucha, I’m finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable.
     
    No, I'll tell you what you are finding unbearable. There are three things:

    1. Realising that you have been living in a bullsh*t narrative of Russian progaganda for so long.

    2. Realising how stupid you have been.

    3. The shocking feeling of guilt that is slowly surfacing to your conscious for what you have been cheerleading.

    You have been a useful idiot for the evil you thought you were opposing. Time to admit it, have a bath and start afresh.

    The longer you take, the worse the damage to your psyche will be.

    Or do you want to go even further down the paranoid delusion hole and start pretending that the massacre at Bucha is fake, that Russia has captured a US General, that the Russian retreat was the plan all along and that Ukrainians are only defending their homeland because Netflix told them to?

    Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality.

    Replies: @utu

    “Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality.” – Not very likely but possible in cases of Mikel and German_reader.

    Useful idiocy of characters like Mikel or German_reader has its origin in the same psycho-operation that was performed on the brains of rightoids in last 5-10 years which resulted in complete distrust and hostility towards ‘official’ narratives promulgated by the MSM and thus the first reaction they always have is: ‘they are lying’ as they did on issues X, Y and X and thus I must believe only those who say the opposite to what the MSM say and even more so when they are vilified by the MSM. Obviously this is a fallacious syllogism but they get trapped in it. This fallacious syllogism is often used explicitly by Ron Unz.

    But what makes Mikel and German_reader different from typical denizens of the Ron Unz’s rightoid sabbath is that Mikel and German_reader could be mistaken for normal people (unlike majority of unz-dot-com commentariat), that in most social contexts their pathology would remains hidden under the surface and would not manifest itself except for a minor trait of passive aggressiveness to cut down any certainty you may display which is a form of projection as they lack certainty and courage so they want to bring you to their ‘misery likes company’ reality. You could imagine having drinks with them and never noticing what is beneath the surface.

    But most important reason for the difference is that Mikel and German_reader have a very strong feminine element (*) in their personas and that’s why they emphasizes passivity and concerns for suffering of civilians and women and children in particular. Acts of active resistance are too risky and too masculine for them. Zelensky challenges that and that’s why he irks them very much to the point of hatred. They would like Ukraine to lay down, spread her legs and enjoy what Russia will do to her. This case of projection is utilized very well by Kremlin propaganda.

    Mikel and German_reader belong to the faction of cunts and twats rather than openly deplorable fetishists of power and ‘might makes right’ among Putin supporters.

    While Mikel or German_reader may argue like rightoids deep down they are liberals who feel betrayed by liberalism and what they often sputter in form of whinging (very visible in German_reader) is the deep sense of betrayal (accusation d of hypocrisy of the West) but there is not an ounce of any conviction left in them. Their only moral dilemma is when to spread their legs so it does not look like too premature invitation to rape. Even cunts and twats still care for some appearance of dignity.

    (*) ‘feminine element’ as an archetype that many women do not have but when the feminine element dominates woman’s personality there is not dissonance and there is no lack of courage but when a man has feminine element dominat it is sure sign of cowardliness and nothing else comes to one’s mind than a twat or a cunt.

    • LOL: Yahya, Yevardian
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @utu

    Thanks for spending so much time trying to analyze the depths of my personality. Contrary to TL's psycho-babble, your efforts to denigrate people you disagree with are explicit and crass, to the point that you've ended up revealing much more about your own mind that mine.

    But this is all so deja-vu for me. An old friend of mine was killed by a separatist bullet to his head and a separatist cousin of mine died in a Spanish prison. I know all there is to know about people being unable to concieve that you refuse to take sides in a war and even question the very need of that war.

    It's just a bit surprising that these ancient dynamics also take place when we're talking about the real possibility of a nuclear war but perhaps there's nothing to be surprised about. Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities, why would the online warriors be any better?

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @PhysicistDave

    , @iffen
    @utu

    I now remember why I had you on the CTI list for so many years.

    Back you go.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @utu

    You truly are an ignorant, obnoxious, pompous fool.

    Some people hate seeing people die pointlessly and you go on at great length pretending to psychoanalyze them.

    Or maybe you just get paid to do this by the Deep State?

    Nah, you are probably just an amoral monster.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @utu

    Yes, I think this is pretty much right. I don't get "reacts" and also only get 3 comments in 24 hours, but this sums it up.

    Many of these people will retreat into pretending that they were always only against bloodshed in order to hide the fact that they had the emotional need for Russia to be dominant and just take Ukraine from the beginning. They'll probably never even begin to wonder why their arguments were so bizarre, or weighted to one side, because they don't want to see their real motivations.

    Take PhysisictDave, for example, an intelligent individual who mostly tries to be good. Not that long ago, he was ghoulishly boasting about how Kyiv would all be flattened to rubble, with rubble dancing on rubble, by Russian artillery.

    Not only did this seem to get him wet, but his heat meant that he didn't even apply his knowledge of physics to such an outlandish claim. But now that his fantasy is not going to happen, and he can no longer declare that Ukraine just submit to Russia, as should the West, he retreats to mawkish statements on how much he hates war, or slavery, or sharks, or whatever.

    The formula seem to be "bad, bad America" has done something so "big bold other Russia" must have its way with Ukraine and Ukraine must submit.

    These are men with dependency issues.

    Older covertly co-dependent men are suckers for this kind of argument. They don't even begin to realise how vulnerable they are, because they don't identify as the person they actually are. They can't own their co-dependency because it is not something they can associate with the "male."

    They can only protect their self-esteem by thinking themselves superior and above the people (normally their wives) who treat them like they would never treat anyone else, but this is a fool's compensation. The doormat is not the adult to their partner, but an object. And now they weep and beg for Ukraine to be a doormat to Russia!

    For those men: you have a doormat "aspect ' to your personality. It likely doesn't define you since you are older and probably more complex than the general antisocial personalities on this board, but you should acknowledge it anyway.

    Replies: @sudden death

  865. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    The more you are around animals, the more you see they all have personalities and the more you appreciate them. My friend used to keep ducks, and I was surprised at how interesting and relatable they were.

    That doesn't mean we shouldn't eat them, but it does mean we should treat them with the utmost kindness and respect. (I know you haven't commented on whether or not we should eat animals).

    Many primitive tribes would have a specially intimate and personal relationship with the animal they most ate, and of course all primitive cultures saw animals as ensouled to a far greater degree than modern society (Descartes, the philosopher of modernity and automation, initiated the idea that animals are automatons who can be used without regard, which is the basis of factory farming) - although only in very recent times, we may be returning to a similar appreciation for animals.

    Merely surviving is not the most important thing, and as long as the animal has had a good life in conditions that are natural to it, it is good to eat it.

    In fact, eating animals affirms the "oneness" of all life and the interconnected of everything.

    When I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole - the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me. The worst fate is to be embalmed or put in a steel coffin, that hideous modern practice, thus even in death affirming ones separation from all life.

    There is a beautiful Tibetan burial practice called "sky burial", where they take your body to a high cliff in the mountains, and cut you into pieces for the vultures and other wild beasts to eat you, thus affirming your connection to, and compassion for, the whole of life.

    That is only right, as the Tibetans are great meat eaters while alive.

    Certain traditional cultures like Buddhists and Hindus, or certain sects within them, don't eat animals for spiritual reasons, and I respect that.

    But the modern aversion to eating animals, that I have often seen up close, seems to me based on a pathological fragility that comes from the modern inability to see the "oneness" of life, and the pathological modern belief that death is the absolute worst thing.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    When I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me. The worst fate is to be embalmed or put in a steel coffin, that hideous modern practice, thus even in death affirming ones separation from all life.

    There is a beautiful Tibetan burial practice called “sky burial”, where they take your body to a high cliff in the mountains, and cut you into pieces for the vultures and other wild beasts to eat you, thus affirming your connection to, and compassion for, the whole of life.

    Same here. I plan on putting together a simple pine box at some point to have on the ready. I’ve also already informed my kids (their spouses can help!) that they are responsible for digging the hole I get buried in. I told them if they bring a backhoe in to do it, I’m going to haunt them!

    The Tibetan practice seems to also have a lot to do with the lack of fuel for cremations as well as the ground being too frozen for burial. This is not to denigrate it’s spiritual aspect, but in fact most things which are spiritually and naturally attuned are actually quite practical as well, stemming as they do from an embrace of reality. There is nothing more tone deaf than a concrete vault for the dead!

    On killing animals, it is a task which I do reluctantly and with some regret each time. Taking a life should probably hurt the taker a bit, and this is possible without being overly squeamish and maudlin. In the end I’d rather know the animal I ate had a clean death than hand the task over to faceless entities.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    I have mixed feelings about it. Can't help, but think that some of our modern customs around death are grotesque. There's an industry around it which seems very material. I like to joke, just dump me on the side of the road.

    But, OTOH, I fascinated by old gravestones. They've taught me different interesting things, that I wouldn't have known otherwise. No doubt, it was a big expense and vanity, at the time. And, yet, it is still fascinating.

    Like, I don't know if you ever had the experience of seeing the coat of arms of Irish clans. I saw them on different occasions growing up. My grandfather had some poster featuring the family name. I was once in a local Irish American hall, and it was full of different ones. As a boy, I always wondered if it was all made-up or not. But I actually saw it on a three hundred year old grave, the combined heraldry of the husband and wife - obviously a boast, but it led me to some really interesting history that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

    I also think that all this ancient DNA is pretty fascinating. I'm glad they they buried those guys in a stone tomb on Rathlin, like 4,000 years ago, rather than burning their bodies.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @iffen
    @Barbarossa

    I now remember why I had you on the CTI list for so many years.

    Back you go.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @iffen
    @Barbarossa

    I keep telling my kids that when the time comes, I want my cremated remains dumped into the compost pile, but I don't think they are going to go for it.

  866. @Commentator Mike
    @sudden death

    Does such research require 4 years and deserve a Ph.D.? Sounds more like a high school project.

    Replies: @songbird, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    Grifters gonna grift!

    Thar’s money to be made in them thar’ halls (of academia)!

  867. @LondonBob
    @AP

    I am no expert but I suspect such a referendum would pass quite handsomely, clever to actually put it to a referendum, would neuter the extremists if and when it passes, whether those extremists are in the West or the Ukraine.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Ironic that Russia attaining all its goals might be seen as a defeat by some.

    The media has never said it is a war (“special military operation”) and the objectives presented can be far lesser than a wholesale annexation.

    People like AK thinks Putin’s real goal is annexing the entire Ukraine and he might very well be thinking of that, sooner or later. On a whole, from Putin’s view, isolation is a victory for him – he the elite and population who see the West being over engaging with them, and now have a good siege mentality. These 2 are the places where we can debate whether it’s a loss or gain strategically for Russia.

  868. I am reading now the Italian philosopher Augusto Del Noce, not in any serious or committed way, but he has many arresting passages in his writing (I am reading the Crisis if Modernity) –

    Here he quotes Simon Weil –

    We are all aware that there is a grave danger of Europe’s becoming Americanized after the War, and we know what we should lose if that were to happen. We should lose would be that part of ourselves which is akin to the East … it seems that Europe periodically requires genuine contacts with the East, in order to remain spiritually alive. It is also true that there is something in Europe which opposes the Oriental spirit, something specifically Western. But that something is to be found in America in its pure state and to the second power, and we are in danger of being devoured by it … the Americanization of Europe would lead to the Americanization of the whole world.

    Del Noce goes on to add –

    I would rather not use the expression “American imperialism.” I would speak, instead, of a universalistic awareness of their mission that Europeans lent to Americans as they waged the Enlightenment’s war against their own past. It is a fact that today America is the wellspring of the principle of disintegration, but the poisoning of America has largely been the work of Europeans.

    This seems very insightful to me and to characterize the relationship between Europe and America very well.

    America represents those rationalist, anti-traditional, elements within European culture, ripped out of the humanizing context of Europe’s “other” tradition, the artistic, cultural, traditional one, and taken to a single minded extreme.

    While the poison in America is entirely the creation of Europeans, Americanization threatens Europeans with the distilled essence of their own poison.

    Noce adds –

    Not by chance, Wilhelm Reich regarded the United States as the only country where the sexual revolution could take off, in spite of many obstacles and of Puritan resistance.

    And this –

    Michele Federico Sciacca pointed out with remarkable foresight in 1954, “even if society in the United States calls itself Christian, American philosophy is essentially all atheistic. Not only that: it is marked by the idolatry of science, the tool that will radically change humanity by producing technical development, and will bring to mankind all the happiness that man by his ‘nature’ can desire.”

    As Simon Weil observed, these tendencies were birthed in Europe and distilled in America, then returned to Europe, which succumbed, and now have taken over the whole world, notably China.

    Today, there is a growing movement to re-import this “poison” from China (highly visible on this site), which is trying to style itself as the world’s preeminent exemplar of this poisonous mode of thinking originally birthed in Europe, then distilled in America, etc, etc.

    What may make the attempt fail, is that the final repository of this poison has adopted it in a very late stage of decay, so that it’s productions are shadows of it’s former glory.

    Feeble spirits may be impressed by the ability to implement preexisting pandemic control systems, for instance, but this pale shadow of the once mighty glory of science and rationalism are unlikely to make a very serious impression or provide any serious “inspiration” outside of a few silly and superficial people.

    It’s like a decrepit, aged, and senile “science”, waving his walking stick in the air to make a show of vigor, no longer able to repeat the athletic feet’s of his youth.

    • Replies: @utu
    @AaronB

    It feels so dated and feels banal. While I have a great respect for Simone Weil and some of her insights seem to be very original in general that kind of style and the template of assembling thoughts does not belong to our age anymore. You can still find it among some Europeans like for example in the musings of that Bernard-Henri Lévy which only makes him appear even greater hypocrite and fraud than he already is at least to American eye and ear.

    From the cybernetic point of view cultural and socio-political systems are all very alike and the differences among them stem from different settings of initial parameters. This is why trajectories of European ideas in America were different and frequently much more rapid and dynamic because the parameter for individualism and the parameter for egalitarianism and the parameter for liberty including the economic activity in America were different. Often it led to commercialization of ideas and making them available to the masses which led to some sort of empowerment of the deplorable class which is unmitigated by adherence to tradition and reverence to good taste.

    Always blaming America is possible and can be done very eloquently but rarely it is really honest and persuasive. The processes of change in America run faster than in Europe thus it is inevitable that it appears to Europeans that the Zeitgeist is created in America while Europeans are only passive recipients and victims of it. There is a potentiality of many things, many actions and many worlds. But somebody have to do the it first before the it may get traction and become normalized.

    In Europe it seems that it was the aristocrats and intellectuals that led the masses and brought novelties to them like for example cunnilingus but in America the masses and their lowest strata are the one that innovate like for example normalizing 'bitch' as term of endearment for women and obsessions with fellatio among Blacks. And the bitches love it. European bitches as well.

    So what Europe can do? Can Europe do anything w/o having it first happening in America?

    Replies: @AaronB

  869. @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    You are right that cattle have more personality than people give them credit for, especially breeds that are not so overbred. Holsteins (the black and white ones) are quite a bit dumber than the older breeds like my Jersey.

    I would say cattle are significantly less keen than dogs or cats or pigs and goats for that matter, but they have significant personality.

    My cow is quite a doting mother to her calves, which can be funny. She gets bent out of shape when the start frolicking around the pasture too far from her. My collie thinks that it's great fun to frisk with the calf and the calf enjoys it too, but mama hates the dog and thinks he's Satan's spawn sent to eat her calf. If the dog gets into the pasture he starts playing with the calf while mama chases them around shaking her head and bellering.

    Having animals means I have plenty of entertainment without owning a TV.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Holsteins (the black and white ones) are quite a bit dumber than the older breeds like my Jersey.

    Yes, I had a Holstein a long time ago and every time I’ve seen you explain how docile and friendly your Jersey is, I’ve wondered what I may have done wrong. She never quite saw me as a friendly creature, no matter how much care I gave her.

    BTW, I totally agree with you that milk from your own cow is unlikely to cause you any illness. You wouldn’t give your family a product that you haven’t taken all precautions to make sure is totally clean (difficult as it sometimes was with my silly Holstein). But still, we used to boil our fresh milk, which also helped with the skimming process.

    The whole experience left me skeptical about raising dairy animals. I’m not sure that I was able to experience the big flavor difference that AaronB and you talk about (perhaps because I boiled the milk?) but most of all, milking an animal everyday is a lot of work and commitment. I’ve often thought about keeping one or two goats on my 1.5 acre farm. They would also help with the weeds and fertilization. But, nice as my neighbors are, I would never ask them to take the big trouble of milking my goats when we go on vacation so it doesn’t look likely I’ll try any time soon.

    If you don’t mind my asking, how do you solve the problem of traveling while raising a homestead cow?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikel


    If you don’t mind my asking, how do you solve the problem of traveling while raising a homestead cow?
     
    You don't. Not travelling is the point.
    , @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Well, animals are individuals and I happen to have gem of a cow now. Our previous Jersey was much more feisty and tended to kick the bucket over more and be somewhat more PITA. Also, I get along with the cows quite well, they are better behaved for me than my wife. Our other cow didn't like to be led by my wife or let down her milk. All I would have to do is yell "Oy, cow!" into the pasture and she would come trotting up.

    The lack of taste difference you noticed was probably due to her being a Holstein. They are big animals geared toward low cream/ high volume. They are not a great choice for a home dairy since they put out rather overwhelming quantities of mediocre milk. Also boiling the milk will greatly decrease the flavor since it is hard to not over pasteurize it at home.

    Personally, I would much prefer handling a cow to a couple goats since goats are hellions looking to do Satan's work on Earth. You never have to wonder if you are going to come home to find your cow on your roof. Not so with goats.

    Also, goat's milk comes homogenized which means there is no cream. That is sad, although can be a bonus if one is troubled intestinally by cow's milk.

    YellowfaceAnon is correct. You go on long trips when your cow is dried off. It is possible to have people milk, but it's not really ideal unless you are really on the same page.
    This is actually kind of a feature since it forces you to focus more on revolving your life around home. Being able to be gone can become it's own kind of a curse to a point. It's too easy to dilute one's attention and time to the point where one is truly nowhere and the whole point of homesteading is be all in on one particular place.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Emil Nikola Richard

  870. @Barbarossa
    @AaronB


    When I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me. The worst fate is to be embalmed or put in a steel coffin, that hideous modern practice, thus even in death affirming ones separation from all life.

    There is a beautiful Tibetan burial practice called “sky burial”, where they take your body to a high cliff in the mountains, and cut you into pieces for the vultures and other wild beasts to eat you, thus affirming your connection to, and compassion for, the whole of life.
     
    Same here. I plan on putting together a simple pine box at some point to have on the ready. I've also already informed my kids (their spouses can help!) that they are responsible for digging the hole I get buried in. I told them if they bring a backhoe in to do it, I'm going to haunt them!

    The Tibetan practice seems to also have a lot to do with the lack of fuel for cremations as well as the ground being too frozen for burial. This is not to denigrate it's spiritual aspect, but in fact most things which are spiritually and naturally attuned are actually quite practical as well, stemming as they do from an embrace of reality. There is nothing more tone deaf than a concrete vault for the dead!

    On killing animals, it is a task which I do reluctantly and with some regret each time. Taking a life should probably hurt the taker a bit, and this is possible without being overly squeamish and maudlin. In the end I'd rather know the animal I ate had a clean death than hand the task over to faceless entities.

    Replies: @songbird, @iffen, @iffen

    I have mixed feelings about it. Can’t help, but think that some of our modern customs around death are grotesque. There’s an industry around it which seems very material. I like to joke, just dump me on the side of the road.

    But, OTOH, I fascinated by old gravestones. They’ve taught me different interesting things, that I wouldn’t have known otherwise. No doubt, it was a big expense and vanity, at the time. And, yet, it is still fascinating.

    Like, I don’t know if you ever had the experience of seeing the coat of arms of Irish clans. I saw them on different occasions growing up. My grandfather had some poster featuring the family name. I was once in a local Irish American hall, and it was full of different ones. As a boy, I always wondered if it was all made-up or not. But I actually saw it on a three hundred year old grave, the combined heraldry of the husband and wife – obviously a boast, but it led me to some really interesting history that I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise.

    I also think that all this ancient DNA is pretty fascinating. I’m glad they they buried those guys in a stone tomb on Rathlin, like 4,000 years ago, rather than burning their bodies.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I find funeral homes, embalming, concrete vaults etc. very grotesque personally. I agree that it seems materialistic, wasteful, and also disconnected from the reality of death and life itself. It's very strange.

    That is not to say that I don't want my earthly shell handled with some dignity, but I'm also not squeamish about being food for the microbes.

    My own parents just spent 18k on an all included funeral arrangement, which is very thoughtful of them but makes me wince a bit at the needless expenses.

    Personally, I already know where on my property I'll be buried so that is taken care of. I'll make my own coffin, so there is that, although my wife just wants a shroud as she thinks a pine box is a bit much. I work with wood, so I have my little vanities!

    Otherwise, I would like to splurge on a hand-carved gravestone made out of some good slate. It would be fun to think of someone coming across it in a couple hundred years.

    Otherwise I want my money spent on a big blowout bash of a funeral with all the greatest food, drink, and merriment possible. I'll be offended if everyone hangs around with long faces. Maybe I'll threaten to haunt them for that too. The big party won't really cost that much in the grand scheme of things so my kids can have all the money I save and do something productive with it.

    I'm dead (hah hah) serious about expecting my kids to dig the hole. It seems therapeutic to do some back-breaking labor while grieving. Plus they'll end up laughing about it since their Dad would expect them to do some damn fool thing like that.

    I think that strikes a nice balance overall. Respectful and meaningful without being prissy and pretentious. Hopefully I'll give everyone one more great memory as I shed this earthly coil.

    Replies: @RSDB

  871. @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality." - Not very likely but possible in cases of Mikel and German_reader.

    Useful idiocy of characters like Mikel or German_reader has its origin in the same psycho-operation that was performed on the brains of rightoids in last 5-10 years which resulted in complete distrust and hostility towards 'official' narratives promulgated by the MSM and thus the first reaction they always have is: 'they are lying' as they did on issues X, Y and X and thus I must believe only those who say the opposite to what the MSM say and even more so when they are vilified by the MSM. Obviously this is a fallacious syllogism but they get trapped in it. This fallacious syllogism is often used explicitly by Ron Unz.

    But what makes Mikel and German_reader different from typical denizens of the Ron Unz's rightoid sabbath is that Mikel and German_reader could be mistaken for normal people (unlike majority of unz-dot-com commentariat), that in most social contexts their pathology would remains hidden under the surface and would not manifest itself except for a minor trait of passive aggressiveness to cut down any certainty you may display which is a form of projection as they lack certainty and courage so they want to bring you to their 'misery likes company' reality. You could imagine having drinks with them and never noticing what is beneath the surface.

    But most important reason for the difference is that Mikel and German_reader have a very strong feminine element (*) in their personas and that's why they emphasizes passivity and concerns for suffering of civilians and women and children in particular. Acts of active resistance are too risky and too masculine for them. Zelensky challenges that and that's why he irks them very much to the point of hatred. They would like Ukraine to lay down, spread her legs and enjoy what Russia will do to her. This case of projection is utilized very well by Kremlin propaganda.

    Mikel and German_reader belong to the faction of cunts and twats rather than openly deplorable fetishists of power and 'might makes right' among Putin supporters.

    While Mikel or German_reader may argue like rightoids deep down they are liberals who feel betrayed by liberalism and what they often sputter in form of whinging (very visible in German_reader) is the deep sense of betrayal (accusation d of hypocrisy of the West) but there is not an ounce of any conviction left in them. Their only moral dilemma is when to spread their legs so it does not look like too premature invitation to rape. Even cunts and twats still care for some appearance of dignity.

    (*) 'feminine element' as an archetype that many women do not have but when the feminine element dominates woman's personality there is not dissonance and there is no lack of courage but when a man has feminine element dominat it is sure sign of cowardliness and nothing else comes to one's mind than a twat or a cunt.

    Replies: @Mikel, @iffen, @PhysicistDave, @Triteleia Laxa

    Thanks for spending so much time trying to analyze the depths of my personality. Contrary to TL’s psycho-babble, your efforts to denigrate people you disagree with are explicit and crass, to the point that you’ve ended up revealing much more about your own mind that mine.

    But this is all so deja-vu for me. An old friend of mine was killed by a separatist bullet to his head and a separatist cousin of mine died in a Spanish prison. I know all there is to know about people being unable to concieve that you refuse to take sides in a war and even question the very need of that war.

    It’s just a bit surprising that these ancient dynamics also take place when we’re talking about the real possibility of a nuclear war but perhaps there’s nothing to be surprised about. Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities, why would the online warriors be any better?

    • Thanks: Barbarossa, PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities..
     
    The problem here is that Ukrainian soldiers are trying to stop an act of aggression against their homeland, but the Russian soldiers are shooting, raping and torturing women, children & men on foreign soil (on which they have found themselves illegally). They have literally walked into somebody's house to commit atrocities. Ukrainian soldiers are not on Russian soil and are not murdering and raping Russian civilians. Do not try to equalize these things, do not try to make it sound as if they are both "equally bad", this is a crucial distinction.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mikel

    , @Yevardian
    @Mikel


    Thanks for spending so much time trying to analyze the depths of my personality. Contrary to TL’s psycho-babble, your efforts to denigrate people you disagree with are explicit and crass, to the point that you’ve ended up revealing much more about your own mind that mine.
     
    Well of course. Does he sound like a happy person to you?
    If was to conduct my own stupid armchair analysis, I suspect he was a professor or technical manager of some kind, and so spent a large amount of his professional life constantly having to confront or mitigate incompetence, laziness and flawed systems of thinking. Now, I think higher career echelons are actually much more depressing in this respect of being constantly reminded of people's limitations, just picture your feelings when marking shoddy-but-passable work from a PHD candidate rather than a highschool student. The sense of frustration, dissapointment, or in rare cases even intellectual disgust, becomes much higher when dealing with faulty mental processes of well-educated (not that unz.com has so many of these) 'nitwits', than the simple convictions from the man on the street.

    Now imagine, whilst continuing to work within such an environment, but moving from Eastern Europe where blunt, even brutal honesty is the norm, at least in regard to dealing with subordinates or peers, to going to an Anglo one like America, where direct personal confrontation is avoided at all costs, and people do everything with fake smiles and phoney expressions of interest about your wellbeing. There's a Russian-Jewish acquaintance of mine, from many years, who I've noticed has gradually been driven insane by dealing with this system, I think every year he gets crankier and more and more bitter, since contemporary Anglo culture of emotional mollycoddling (and it seems, still exponentionally growing) seriously gets in the way of him doing his job properly. Ask him in private the right question and he practically explodes with expressions of contempt, but unfortunately, returning to Russia at this stage is obviously no solution at all, and there's little room for him to go higher.
    utu strikes me as not a disimilar personality to that character, although that's entirely idle speculation. Also, on the depressing subject of human mental limitations, I was reminded of this essay from one of my favourite writers, David Stove.

    https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/wrongthoughts.html

    But this is all so deja-vu for me. An old friend of mine was killed by a separatist bullet to his head and a separatist cousin of mine died in a Spanish prison. I know all there is to know about people being unable to concieve that you refuse to take sides in a war and even question the very need of that war.

     

    Yes. I can understand the Ukrainian or Russian commenters here losing perspective, but then you have people with no direct connection to the region wanting to escalate this war to some sort of promethean crusade against Russia (starting with overthrowing Lukashenko.. like that would improve anything), or disaffected Westerners still convincing themselves Putin is some kind of conservative saviour of the white race.
    Regarding Biden's 'cowardice' in not invoking MAD (wow, nothing to unpack there), the obvious answer, even from a hardline neocon standpoint, is I think the US is actually in a pretty good position doing near-nothing at this stage. Earlier on I wouldn't have said it, but with Russian troops performing so below expectations (again, look at the tone in Russian media aimed at actual Russians, not gullible foreigners), and the Ukrainian army obviously having received a huge amount of unpublicised recent American support to revamp since 2014. Now its imperative on Putin to escalate the war from here to salvage Russian credibility, but given how badly respective strength of forces were miscalculated, its still going to take a bloodbath to subjugate the country properly.. and with no such thing as a 'clean war', and America dominating the world media, Russia can't come out of this anything but absolutely awfully.

    I just wonder how long Ukraine can keep tar-pitting Russia for now. Just a wholly avoidable disaster that I don't want to follow closely anymore.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Mikel

    I'm thinking that maybe the right way to deal with utu is simply to respond to every comment he posts with something like the following:

    Remember everyone: utu is an amoral monster who gets off on the idea of large numbers of innocent people dying pointlessly.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  872. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    Holsteins (the black and white ones) are quite a bit dumber than the older breeds like my Jersey.
     
    Yes, I had a Holstein a long time ago and every time I've seen you explain how docile and friendly your Jersey is, I've wondered what I may have done wrong. She never quite saw me as a friendly creature, no matter how much care I gave her.

    BTW, I totally agree with you that milk from your own cow is unlikely to cause you any illness. You wouldn't give your family a product that you haven't taken all precautions to make sure is totally clean (difficult as it sometimes was with my silly Holstein). But still, we used to boil our fresh milk, which also helped with the skimming process.

    The whole experience left me skeptical about raising dairy animals. I'm not sure that I was able to experience the big flavor difference that AaronB and you talk about (perhaps because I boiled the milk?) but most of all, milking an animal everyday is a lot of work and commitment. I've often thought about keeping one or two goats on my 1.5 acre farm. They would also help with the weeds and fertilization. But, nice as my neighbors are, I would never ask them to take the big trouble of milking my goats when we go on vacation so it doesn't look likely I'll try any time soon.

    If you don't mind my asking, how do you solve the problem of traveling while raising a homestead cow?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Barbarossa

    If you don’t mind my asking, how do you solve the problem of traveling while raising a homestead cow?

    You don’t. Not travelling is the point.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  873. @songbird
    @Commentator Mike

    What is the ratio of Deus Vult to Allahu Akbar in Western Europe? 1:1000?

    And how many times does someone say sic semper tyrannis compared to the leftist battle-cry "diversity is our strength?"

    Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Yellowface Anon

    What is the ratio of Deus Vult to Allahu Akbar in Western Europe? 1:1000?

    By now I suspect part of those pro-immigration suckers are actually accelerationists who want to bring about illiberal European/White ethnostates/theocracies. A brutal regimen of cultural vaccination for reaction, if you will.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    I actually once heard a wealthy Swede admit that he was an accelerationist.

    Not fully certain what to make of it, might have just been a cope. But he only implied he was a libertarian and wanted to see all these government programs end. If true, I think he was pretty naive.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  874. 23andme recently had a blog post about supporting transgender kids. Curious as part of their economic model is to try to ferret out information from people.

  875. @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality." - Not very likely but possible in cases of Mikel and German_reader.

    Useful idiocy of characters like Mikel or German_reader has its origin in the same psycho-operation that was performed on the brains of rightoids in last 5-10 years which resulted in complete distrust and hostility towards 'official' narratives promulgated by the MSM and thus the first reaction they always have is: 'they are lying' as they did on issues X, Y and X and thus I must believe only those who say the opposite to what the MSM say and even more so when they are vilified by the MSM. Obviously this is a fallacious syllogism but they get trapped in it. This fallacious syllogism is often used explicitly by Ron Unz.

    But what makes Mikel and German_reader different from typical denizens of the Ron Unz's rightoid sabbath is that Mikel and German_reader could be mistaken for normal people (unlike majority of unz-dot-com commentariat), that in most social contexts their pathology would remains hidden under the surface and would not manifest itself except for a minor trait of passive aggressiveness to cut down any certainty you may display which is a form of projection as they lack certainty and courage so they want to bring you to their 'misery likes company' reality. You could imagine having drinks with them and never noticing what is beneath the surface.

    But most important reason for the difference is that Mikel and German_reader have a very strong feminine element (*) in their personas and that's why they emphasizes passivity and concerns for suffering of civilians and women and children in particular. Acts of active resistance are too risky and too masculine for them. Zelensky challenges that and that's why he irks them very much to the point of hatred. They would like Ukraine to lay down, spread her legs and enjoy what Russia will do to her. This case of projection is utilized very well by Kremlin propaganda.

    Mikel and German_reader belong to the faction of cunts and twats rather than openly deplorable fetishists of power and 'might makes right' among Putin supporters.

    While Mikel or German_reader may argue like rightoids deep down they are liberals who feel betrayed by liberalism and what they often sputter in form of whinging (very visible in German_reader) is the deep sense of betrayal (accusation d of hypocrisy of the West) but there is not an ounce of any conviction left in them. Their only moral dilemma is when to spread their legs so it does not look like too premature invitation to rape. Even cunts and twats still care for some appearance of dignity.

    (*) 'feminine element' as an archetype that many women do not have but when the feminine element dominates woman's personality there is not dissonance and there is no lack of courage but when a man has feminine element dominat it is sure sign of cowardliness and nothing else comes to one's mind than a twat or a cunt.

    Replies: @Mikel, @iffen, @PhysicistDave, @Triteleia Laxa

    I now remember why I had you on the CTI list for so many years.

    Back you go.

    • Thanks: utu
  876. @Barbarossa
    @AaronB


    When I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me. The worst fate is to be embalmed or put in a steel coffin, that hideous modern practice, thus even in death affirming ones separation from all life.

    There is a beautiful Tibetan burial practice called “sky burial”, where they take your body to a high cliff in the mountains, and cut you into pieces for the vultures and other wild beasts to eat you, thus affirming your connection to, and compassion for, the whole of life.
     
    Same here. I plan on putting together a simple pine box at some point to have on the ready. I've also already informed my kids (their spouses can help!) that they are responsible for digging the hole I get buried in. I told them if they bring a backhoe in to do it, I'm going to haunt them!

    The Tibetan practice seems to also have a lot to do with the lack of fuel for cremations as well as the ground being too frozen for burial. This is not to denigrate it's spiritual aspect, but in fact most things which are spiritually and naturally attuned are actually quite practical as well, stemming as they do from an embrace of reality. There is nothing more tone deaf than a concrete vault for the dead!

    On killing animals, it is a task which I do reluctantly and with some regret each time. Taking a life should probably hurt the taker a bit, and this is possible without being overly squeamish and maudlin. In the end I'd rather know the animal I ate had a clean death than hand the task over to faceless entities.

    Replies: @songbird, @iffen, @iffen

    I now remember why I had you on the CTI list for so many years.

    Back you go.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @iffen

    Hah! Now you've gotten me curious as to the offending sentiment that pushed me back over the edge. Care to share since expiring mind need to know?

    Replies: @iffen

  877. @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird


    What is the ratio of Deus Vult to Allahu Akbar in Western Europe? 1:1000?
     
    By now I suspect part of those pro-immigration suckers are actually accelerationists who want to bring about illiberal European/White ethnostates/theocracies. A brutal regimen of cultural vaccination for reaction, if you will.

    Replies: @songbird

    I actually once heard a wealthy Swede admit that he was an accelerationist.

    Not fully certain what to make of it, might have just been a cope. But he only implied he was a libertarian and wanted to see all these government programs end. If true, I think he was pretty naive.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    Seeing things thru an accelerationist lens allows one to ride the waves or even exploit it. In this case, riding on the wave of mobility to reinforce fundamental human distinctions of the native in-group against the mobile out-group.

    Replies: @songbird

  878. @Barbarossa
    @AaronB


    When I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me. The worst fate is to be embalmed or put in a steel coffin, that hideous modern practice, thus even in death affirming ones separation from all life.

    There is a beautiful Tibetan burial practice called “sky burial”, where they take your body to a high cliff in the mountains, and cut you into pieces for the vultures and other wild beasts to eat you, thus affirming your connection to, and compassion for, the whole of life.
     
    Same here. I plan on putting together a simple pine box at some point to have on the ready. I've also already informed my kids (their spouses can help!) that they are responsible for digging the hole I get buried in. I told them if they bring a backhoe in to do it, I'm going to haunt them!

    The Tibetan practice seems to also have a lot to do with the lack of fuel for cremations as well as the ground being too frozen for burial. This is not to denigrate it's spiritual aspect, but in fact most things which are spiritually and naturally attuned are actually quite practical as well, stemming as they do from an embrace of reality. There is nothing more tone deaf than a concrete vault for the dead!

    On killing animals, it is a task which I do reluctantly and with some regret each time. Taking a life should probably hurt the taker a bit, and this is possible without being overly squeamish and maudlin. In the end I'd rather know the animal I ate had a clean death than hand the task over to faceless entities.

    Replies: @songbird, @iffen, @iffen

    I keep telling my kids that when the time comes, I want my cremated remains dumped into the compost pile, but I don’t think they are going to go for it.

  879. @prime noticer
    i see twitter took care of the Scott Ritter situation by just making him disappear.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ron Unz

    i see twitter took care of the Scott Ritter situation by just making him disappear.

    Not too surprising after his really great two hour interview with the Duran people a couple of days ago.

    BTW, regarding the supposed Bucha massacre, which I haven’t bothered looking into, Nick Griffin just sent me his excellent piece from Sputnik in which he explains many of the extremely doubtful elements of the supposed evidence. Here’s the link:

    https://www.unz.com/article/msms-bucha-tall-tale/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ron Unz

    I'll grant you that it is an interesting interview, and worth listening to, but in the final analyses it's just one more opinion. I listened to the first 80% last night (I may come back to it and finish the last 20%). Even Ritter would backtrack and disavow his opinions every so often, and admit that he could be all wrong and would then offer some opinions as to why. He premises a good deal of his argument on the "closing of the eastern pincer", and the encirclement of all (60,000 troops?) of Ukraine's troops there. Well, we'll see how that ends up and even if it does occur, I think that Ukraine's will to continue fighting will not diminish. He failed to discuss how having more and more of a concentration of Ukrainian defenders on a smaller geographic area would work more to the defender's advantage. Western Ukraine is often hilly and forested terrain and the locals are known to be the most fiercely patriotic. There are other perhaps smaller issues that I might differ with Ritter (the ability to obtain and to use Ukrainian cellphones for instance), but I'm pressed for time, getting ready to go to work.

    Replies: @Beckow

  880. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    I know some extreme Paleo types basically think humans should only be eating meat and vegetables, but I am not so extreme.

    My very simple heuristic is that returning to the way we ate before say 1850 - although I am not committed to this precise number - would create a significant increase in human vitality. Plenty of human groups flourished on a diet of raw dairy products in historical times.

    It was during the Boer War that the British first began to notice a drastic decline in the physical fitness of it's rank and file soldiers and grew seriously alarmed, and many modern methods of food processing were invented during this time (although the upper classes still ate exceptionally well along traditional lines, and Barbara Tuchman in her fascinating book about the 19th century records the immense vitality and energy of the aristocracy, who would often walk for 30 miles a day or even more, and during this period in Britain the upper classes were marked by being significantly taller than the lower).

    George Orwell observed that after the first world war he no longer saw the same robust and dashing physiques he remembered from his childhood in large numbers, mainly along the upper officer class.. He thought the war had killed them off, but that seems unlikely.

    Now that I have made walking for ten hours a day over rough terrain in the wilderness a significant - and hopefully growing - part of my life, I can no longer deny the huge impact diet has on my stamina and general vitality. It's easier to not notice that in the city.

    I simply feel so much better on a "natural" diet. I have energy and want to move every day, whereas eating a modern diet makes me sedentary - perhaps that isn't a coincidence, as the modern workplace demands a sedentary life. And I was already eating more naturally and healthy than the average American, who I can only imagine how poorly they feel on a daily basis.

    But finally and most importantly, while spiritual health and physical health are deeply connected my primary goal here is spiritual rejection of modern "artificiality", and my goal is to affirm a more connected and cooperative attitude to Nature and God - not merely be healthy.

    Lately I have begun to realize that many areas of my life are not consistent - or not as much as I'd like - with my spiritual ideals, and am undertaking an overhaul of my lifestyle to greatly enrich my spirituality.

    Everything is connected, and what you eat cannot not have an impact on you spiritually.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Orwell observed that after the first world war he no longer saw the same robust

    If true, it is probably just effect of smaller “survival bias” in adults, after fall in infant mortality.

    Orwell was living in London, so perhaps he could see this effect after First World War, as more children survive to be adults. Or perhaps, he just moved to a lower social class area.

    returning to the way we ate before say 1850 –

    Foods which seem to have a strong correlation with health are like nuts, berries (https://news.umich.edu/small-changes-in-diet-could-help-you-live-healthier-more-sustainably/), which probably related more to our non-human ancestry, than our human ancestry.

    Cow milk is extremely recent in human food supply, with the oldest societies starting to drink it about 240 generations ago.

    Human’s able to use fire is something like around 40,000 generations ago, which is more signficant. (For all previous generations, we were eating raw food diet).

    But mainly our anatomy evolved while we were this kind of animal – this is picture of “purgatorius”, believed to be our primate ancestor, the earliest primate. He wasn’t cooking hamburgers.

    Descartes, the philosopher of modernity and automation,

    Descartes is not a philosopher of automation. He believes human soul is eternal, separate from the body, with free will, etc.

    It’s only he thought animals were automated, which seems kind of ridiculously wrong if you know some animals (although perhaps, an evil demon could be tricking us to believe they have souls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon ), but not exactly the central part of his philosophy.

    I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me

    Here I would agree (just from intuition, which is all we have for this topic) more with Descartes, that when you are dead, your body is irrelevant. So, worms, do not eat “you”, as you are not the same as your body in that stage.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    I don't know - Orwell was an extremely intelligent and perceptive observer who refined his intellectual integrity to a very high degree, so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that his observation considered and ruled out any obvious and simple confounding factors of the kind you mention.

    He was probably also not the only one to make that observation at the time.

    Nuts and berries are certainly healthy, but it has also been demonstrated that many societies thrive on a diet of raw dairy products, notably the traditional Swiss, who made the best soldiers in Europe (and still provide the Pope's personal guard as a historical echo of this fact).

    At this point in time, the study of nutrition according to modern scientific methods of isolating individual components is in a primitive state - the analytical method just hasn't given us more than a few simple facts, like vitamin C is necessary in certain doses, and there is a growing argument that foods must be studied as "wholes", because each part interacts with all the others (and a food can have thousands of parts).

    So we are thrown back on observational studies and historical, archeological, and anecdotal studies.

    At this point we know that humans have thrived on a fairly wide variety of diets - the Eskimos eat almost entirely meat and fat and the Masai eat entirely milk, cow meat, and cow blood.

    The only unifying principle among the wide variety of diets that have permitted humans to flourish is that the foods have not been highly processed according to modern methods.

    There seems to be a significant "dividing line" between traditional methods of processing food, which are obviously also not entirely natural, and the methods and chemical additives of modernity.

    Modern methods seem to have crossed some invisible line of "permissible" artificiality that humans are not meant to go beyond, leading to chronic and degenerative disease, obesity, and loss of vitality.

    There is a level of cooperation with nature that we ignore to our peril.

    As for Descartes, in important ways his philosophy of the soul reproduces the deathless and changeless state of a disembodied machine - he was hostile to organic life.

    It is surely no accident that he regarded biological animals as automatons who cannot feel - thinkers generally spin their philosophy out of a common matrix of ideas, and one cannot say his attitude to animals has no connection to his other ideas.


    Here I would agree (just from intuition, which is all we have for this topic) more with Descartes, that when you are dead, your body is irrelevant. So, worms, do not eat “you”, as you are not the same as your body in that stage
     
    This seems like a very alienated and cold modern stance which misses the opportunity to affirm a spiritual oneness with the rest of creation.

    Granted, one is not entirely coterminous with the body, certainly, but one has some connection to it and the opportunity to make a "gift" of it in a gesture of beauty and affirm ones spiritual relationship to everything else.

    This radical Descartian separation between matter and spirit is very much to be at the root of the modern malaise and our inability to see that matter is a dimension of soul, not it's antithesis, and why we deny sacredness to the physical world.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @utu
    @Dmitry

    "It’s only he thought animals were automated" - Can't find it now but there were some 'research institutions' in 18th century France where they subjected animals to horrible experiments based on belief that animals were just machines.

    And philosophical treaties very well argued that humans had no free will were written in 18th century.

    But you are correct that Descartes postulated dualism that implied eternal soul and free will.

  881. @AaronB
    I am reading now the Italian philosopher Augusto Del Noce, not in any serious or committed way, but he has many arresting passages in his writing (I am reading the Crisis if Modernity) -

    Here he quotes Simon Weil -

    We are all aware that there is a grave danger of Europe’s becoming Americanized after the War, and we know what we should lose if that were to happen. We should lose would be that part of ourselves which is akin to the East … it seems that Europe periodically requires genuine contacts with the East, in order to remain spiritually alive. It is also true that there is something in Europe which opposes the Oriental spirit, something specifically Western. But that something is to be found in America in its pure state and to the second power, and we are in danger of being devoured by it … the Americanization of Europe would lead to the Americanization of the whole world.
     
    Del Noce goes on to add -

    I would rather not use the expression “American imperialism.” I would speak, instead, of a universalistic awareness of their mission that Europeans lent to Americans as they waged the Enlightenment’s war against their own past. It is a fact that today America is the wellspring of the principle of disintegration, but the poisoning of America has largely been the work of Europeans.
     
    This seems very insightful to me and to characterize the relationship between Europe and America very well.

    America represents those rationalist, anti-traditional, elements within European culture, ripped out of the humanizing context of Europe's "other" tradition, the artistic, cultural, traditional one, and taken to a single minded extreme.

    While the poison in America is entirely the creation of Europeans, Americanization threatens Europeans with the distilled essence of their own poison.

    Noce adds -

    Not by chance, Wilhelm Reich regarded the United States as the only country where the sexual revolution could take off, in spite of many obstacles and of Puritan resistance.
     
    And this -

    Michele Federico Sciacca pointed out with remarkable foresight in 1954, “even if society in the United States calls itself Christian, American philosophy is essentially all atheistic. Not only that: it is marked by the idolatry of science, the tool that will radically change humanity by producing technical development, and will bring to mankind all the happiness that man by his ‘nature’ can desire.”
     
    As Simon Weil observed, these tendencies were birthed in Europe and distilled in America, then returned to Europe, which succumbed, and now have taken over the whole world, notably China.

    Today, there is a growing movement to re-import this "poison" from China (highly visible on this site), which is trying to style itself as the world's preeminent exemplar of this poisonous mode of thinking originally birthed in Europe, then distilled in America, etc, etc.

    What may make the attempt fail, is that the final repository of this poison has adopted it in a very late stage of decay, so that it's productions are shadows of it's former glory.

    Feeble spirits may be impressed by the ability to implement preexisting pandemic control systems, for instance, but this pale shadow of the once mighty glory of science and rationalism are unlikely to make a very serious impression or provide any serious "inspiration" outside of a few silly and superficial people.

    It's like a decrepit, aged, and senile "science", waving his walking stick in the air to make a show of vigor, no longer able to repeat the athletic feet's of his youth.

    Replies: @utu

    It feels so dated and feels banal. While I have a great respect for Simone Weil and some of her insights seem to be very original in general that kind of style and the template of assembling thoughts does not belong to our age anymore. You can still find it among some Europeans like for example in the musings of that Bernard-Henri Lévy which only makes him appear even greater hypocrite and fraud than he already is at least to American eye and ear.

    From the cybernetic point of view cultural and socio-political systems are all very alike and the differences among them stem from different settings of initial parameters. This is why trajectories of European ideas in America were different and frequently much more rapid and dynamic because the parameter for individualism and the parameter for egalitarianism and the parameter for liberty including the economic activity in America were different. Often it led to commercialization of ideas and making them available to the masses which led to some sort of empowerment of the deplorable class which is unmitigated by adherence to tradition and reverence to good taste.

    Always blaming America is possible and can be done very eloquently but rarely it is really honest and persuasive. The processes of change in America run faster than in Europe thus it is inevitable that it appears to Europeans that the Zeitgeist is created in America while Europeans are only passive recipients and victims of it. There is a potentiality of many things, many actions and many worlds. But somebody have to do the it first before the it may get traction and become normalized.

    In Europe it seems that it was the aristocrats and intellectuals that led the masses and brought novelties to them like for example cunnilingus but in America the masses and their lowest strata are the one that innovate like for example normalizing ‘bitch’ as term of endearment for women and obsessions with fellatio among Blacks. And the bitches love it. European bitches as well.

    So what Europe can do? Can Europe do anything w/o having it first happening in America?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @utu

    But I don't regard this as any simple blaming of America at all.

    It is the description of how a certain "complex of ideas" spread across the world in a complicated relationship of influences in which no one actor is fully at "fault".

    Even though the ideas were "birthed" in Europe, this doesn't make Europe as a whole "at fault" for them.

    In spiritual terms, these are "larger spiritual forces" at work and describing the pattern of their spread and domination is useful in arresting them, that's all, not in assigning blame.

    I see it like this - Certain men in Europe created this "complex of ideas", but within Europe they were were often opposed and balanced by other and opposite cultural forces, like tradition.(not always, as in revolutionary France).

    So some European men had the idea to plant these ideas in a new and empty field that did not have these countervailing forces, like America.

    In this new soil and unopposed, this idea complex was refined into a great purity and strength, at which point it was brought back to the land of it's birth with renewed strength to destroy the lingering forces of opposition.

    Europe succumbing to a significant degree, other parts of the world like China could not credibly hold out anymore, in a sort of domino effect.

    And today, this "idea complex" is attempting to use China as it's primary "avatar" ( or perhaps "golem") to breathe renewed global life into this idea complex, which is gradually growing old.

    But today, I would argue no truly primary focal point for this idea complex exists, and America, Europe, and China, influence each other in a ln interrelated web, with Russia, Japan, Korea, etc, all part of it. China is just one primary pole, but many toxic developments of this idea complex clearly come from modern Europe.

    It's a diffuse global phenomenon now.

    At the same time, it's futile to deny that some countries provide more fertile soil than others, at least for certain strands, at least temporarily.

    And ultimately, I believe this is a spiritual battle more than anything.

  882. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Orwell observed that after the first world war he no longer saw the same robust
     
    If true, it is probably just effect of smaller "survival bias" in adults, after fall in infant mortality.

    Orwell was living in London, so perhaps he could see this effect after First World War, as more children survive to be adults. Or perhaps, he just moved to a lower social class area.

    https://i.imgur.com/KWMJatv.png


    returning to the way we ate before say 1850 –
     
    Foods which seem to have a strong correlation with health are like nuts, berries (https://news.umich.edu/small-changes-in-diet-could-help-you-live-healthier-more-sustainably/), which probably related more to our non-human ancestry, than our human ancestry.

    Cow milk is extremely recent in human food supply, with the oldest societies starting to drink it about 240 generations ago.

    Human's able to use fire is something like around 40,000 generations ago, which is more signficant. (For all previous generations, we were eating raw food diet).

    But mainly our anatomy evolved while we were this kind of animal - this is picture of "purgatorius", believed to be our primate ancestor, the earliest primate. He wasn't cooking hamburgers.

    https://i.imgur.com/dO8vumu.jpg


    Descartes, the philosopher of modernity and automation,
     
    Descartes is not a philosopher of automation. He believes human soul is eternal, separate from the body, with free will, etc.

    It's only he thought animals were automated, which seems kind of ridiculously wrong if you know some animals (although perhaps, an evil demon could be tricking us to believe they have souls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon ), but not exactly the central part of his philosophy.


    I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me
     
    Here I would agree (just from intuition, which is all we have for this topic) more with Descartes, that when you are dead, your body is irrelevant. So, worms, do not eat "you", as you are not the same as your body in that stage.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu

    I don’t know – Orwell was an extremely intelligent and perceptive observer who refined his intellectual integrity to a very high degree, so I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that his observation considered and ruled out any obvious and simple confounding factors of the kind you mention.

    He was probably also not the only one to make that observation at the time.

    Nuts and berries are certainly healthy, but it has also been demonstrated that many societies thrive on a diet of raw dairy products, notably the traditional Swiss, who made the best soldiers in Europe (and still provide the Pope’s personal guard as a historical echo of this fact).

    At this point in time, the study of nutrition according to modern scientific methods of isolating individual components is in a primitive state – the analytical method just hasn’t given us more than a few simple facts, like vitamin C is necessary in certain doses, and there is a growing argument that foods must be studied as “wholes”, because each part interacts with all the others (and a food can have thousands of parts).

    So we are thrown back on observational studies and historical, archeological, and anecdotal studies.

    At this point we know that humans have thrived on a fairly wide variety of diets – the Eskimos eat almost entirely meat and fat and the Masai eat entirely milk, cow meat, and cow blood.

    The only unifying principle among the wide variety of diets that have permitted humans to flourish is that the foods have not been highly processed according to modern methods.

    There seems to be a significant “dividing line” between traditional methods of processing food, which are obviously also not entirely natural, and the methods and chemical additives of modernity.

    Modern methods seem to have crossed some invisible line of “permissible” artificiality that humans are not meant to go beyond, leading to chronic and degenerative disease, obesity, and loss of vitality.

    There is a level of cooperation with nature that we ignore to our peril.

    As for Descartes, in important ways his philosophy of the soul reproduces the deathless and changeless state of a disembodied machine – he was hostile to organic life.

    It is surely no accident that he regarded biological animals as automatons who cannot feel – thinkers generally spin their philosophy out of a common matrix of ideas, and one cannot say his attitude to animals has no connection to his other ideas.

    Here I would agree (just from intuition, which is all we have for this topic) more with Descartes, that when you are dead, your body is irrelevant. So, worms, do not eat “you”, as you are not the same as your body in that stage

    This seems like a very alienated and cold modern stance which misses the opportunity to affirm a spiritual oneness with the rest of creation.

    Granted, one is not entirely coterminous with the body, certainly, but one has some connection to it and the opportunity to make a “gift” of it in a gesture of beauty and affirm ones spiritual relationship to everything else.

    This radical Descartian separation between matter and spirit is very much to be at the root of the modern malaise and our inability to see that matter is a dimension of soul, not it’s antithesis, and why we deny sacredness to the physical world.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    benefit of the doubt that his observation

     

    Orwell's observation could be true, but result of something like fall in infant mortality. Writer's observation is a like a primary source. But then there will be different explanations, which you could try to test.

    If we accepted that Orwell, has seen a representative sample, etc, and recorded the results in some objective way. Your hypothesis is that there is a change of diet. I would offer hypothesis fall in infant mortality.


    very alienated and cold modern stance
     
    It depends how you define "modern", but I would say the other way around from middle 20th century at least. where body and person are claimed to be the same. 20th century philosophy usually has rejected this.

    Descartes' view has been the more common or "ordinary" view in written history. It's true in some of Buddhism, there is a stronger level of skepticism than Descartes accepted, and goes against a view of an hermetic, unitary, soul.


    he regarded biological animals as automatons who cannot feel – thinkers generally spin their philosophy out of a common matrix of ideas,
     
    A more normal view, would be to extend Descartes' dualism and just include animals having souls. And the question for ethics, is how far this extends. But with discussions about "consciousness", it is question which would be solved only with more scientific knowledge (e.g. can fish experience pain, etc).

    Modern methods seem to have crossed

     

    Sure, the consumption of "ultra-processed" food seems to increase risks for an earlier mortality.

    https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ajcn/nqac043/6535558


    societies thrive on a diet of raw dairy products, notably the traditional Swiss, who made the best soldiers
     
    Soldiers and diets is probably not much connection. Developed countries with high life expectancy (like Switzerland, Japan, Great Britain, Germany, France), will usually have more professional armies, than countries with low life expectancy. But these are more related to the level of organization in the country.

    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AaronB

  883. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    I’m wondering if the dairy farmers have bargaining power or some state capture in politics, or if the FDA is just such paternalism.
     
    One reason that I think milk is still common in American schools is that it is a legacy of heritage Americans being very lactose tolerant. In particular, Britain and Ireland, which might have a greater penetrance for lactose tolerance than anywhere else in the world. But it would be higher in NW Europe than NE.

    Beyond that, it seems like a lot of lobbying went into it. An organization called the National Dairy Council is >100 years old and helped promote milk in schools.

    If you are interested in American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching "milk does a body good." These were a series of commercials that were prominent when I was a kid. Some of them are quite amusing, such as the scrawny kid who was picked on becoming jacked and having people step aside.

    BTW, I'd be very curious to know whether you ever saw milk in Russian schools. Based on this website, it is still not common (only 10%) But Russians must be less lactose tolerant than English people.
    https://fil-idf.org/dairys-global-impact/school-milk-knowledge-hub/addressing-childhood-malnutrition-in-sri-lanka-2-2/

    Replies: @Mikel, @Dmitry

    Americans being very lactose tolerant

    Children in every country should be lactose tolerant for drinking milk, as lactose intolerance begins only with adults.

    In European nationalities with longer experience with dairy milk (although still only around <240 generations), there is higher level of adaptation called "lactase persistence" among adults (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence).

    This matches the experiments with fruit flies.

    Fruit flies are historically eating apples. In a laboratory in America, they have a group of fruit flies eating bananas for some 1000 or less generations.

    These fruit flies still have equal health when eating either banana or apple diet. But among the older fruit flies, the health is falling with the banana (1000 generation) diet.

    This is apparently like a thirty year experience.

    In one paper, they hypothesize from this in maybe not such convincing way. "Our results suggest that young people from populations with long histories of agriculture may be well adapted to agricultural diets. But at later ages, such adaptation to agricultural life may fail" (https://escholarship.org/content/qt738828jj/qt738828jj.pdf)

    American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching “milk does a body good.” These were a series of commercials

    Much of 20th century American culture has been been influenced with “state capture” by different industries, including agriculture. Of course, oil industry, automobile industry, etc, are very obvious examples in modern culture.

    Some external public agencies like “USAID” was created to help internal private agriculture interests in the 1950s.

    curious to know whether you ever saw milk in Russian schools.

    No, but apparently they tried to copy a school milk program from the United Kingdom perhaps around 10 or 15 years ago (this was an attempt to copy a British programme of drinking milk in schools). In my time, most people just had some chocolate bars in the class. Food provided in the canteen, for anyone brave or crazy to go there, was something categorically inedible, like some cold macaroni, perhaps made for Monday and serving from the same pot each day all week.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry


    Children in every country should be lactose tolerant for drinking milk, as lactose intolerance begins only with adults.
     
    AFAIK, the production of the enzyme shuts off fairly quickly, like around age 2, which is when you would expect weaning to stop. But it may be that undigested lactose is usually not a problem in children because they have shorter intestines and smaller stomachs.

    Interestingly, the "European" allele T*13910 is also found in some populations from Africa, including the Fulani (from Mali, Sudan, and Cameroon) and the Khoe from South Africa. I wonder whether the Romans brought it there on their expeditions into Africa. Would be really interesting to try to put a date on it.

    Much of 20th century American culture has been been influenced with “state capture” by different industries, including agriculture. Of course, oil industry, automobile industry, etc, are very obvious examples in modern culture.
     
    When I was in high school, we had a few vending machines with coca-cola products. Part of their deal was that there be no competition. I guess it was to try to build brand loyalty.
  884. utu says:
    @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Orwell observed that after the first world war he no longer saw the same robust
     
    If true, it is probably just effect of smaller "survival bias" in adults, after fall in infant mortality.

    Orwell was living in London, so perhaps he could see this effect after First World War, as more children survive to be adults. Or perhaps, he just moved to a lower social class area.

    https://i.imgur.com/KWMJatv.png


    returning to the way we ate before say 1850 –
     
    Foods which seem to have a strong correlation with health are like nuts, berries (https://news.umich.edu/small-changes-in-diet-could-help-you-live-healthier-more-sustainably/), which probably related more to our non-human ancestry, than our human ancestry.

    Cow milk is extremely recent in human food supply, with the oldest societies starting to drink it about 240 generations ago.

    Human's able to use fire is something like around 40,000 generations ago, which is more signficant. (For all previous generations, we were eating raw food diet).

    But mainly our anatomy evolved while we were this kind of animal - this is picture of "purgatorius", believed to be our primate ancestor, the earliest primate. He wasn't cooking hamburgers.

    https://i.imgur.com/dO8vumu.jpg


    Descartes, the philosopher of modernity and automation,
     
    Descartes is not a philosopher of automation. He believes human soul is eternal, separate from the body, with free will, etc.

    It's only he thought animals were automated, which seems kind of ridiculously wrong if you know some animals (although perhaps, an evil demon could be tricking us to believe they have souls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon ), but not exactly the central part of his philosophy.


    I die, I want to be eaten by other life forms on earth, and make my contribution to the whole – the worms, the beasts, the insects, can have me
     
    Here I would agree (just from intuition, which is all we have for this topic) more with Descartes, that when you are dead, your body is irrelevant. So, worms, do not eat "you", as you are not the same as your body in that stage.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu

    “It’s only he thought animals were automated” – Can’t find it now but there were some ‘research institutions’ in 18th century France where they subjected animals to horrible experiments based on belief that animals were just machines.

    And philosophical treaties very well argued that humans had no free will were written in 18th century.

    But you are correct that Descartes postulated dualism that implied eternal soul and free will.

  885. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...purpose of the martyr city Mariupol.
     
    First of all, Russia doesn't seem to want Kiev - why would they negotiate with the government in Kiev if they planned to storm the city? Think.

    Second, martyrdom only serves a purpose if it stops something larger. (Even then, it is an odd way to fight.) Russian army will do the opposite after Mariupol, they will consolidate, move on to other targets, and have a safe hinterland behind them. There is no larger purpose served by the martyrdom. Maybe eventually some poetry or statues...

    Replies: @LatW, @RadicalCenter

    Won’t be many people in the ukraine or in the world who can read those ukrainian poems, as people living the Russian borderland (“ukraine”), whether Russian- and/or Ukrainian-speaking don’t have many children. “Ukrainians” are a rapidly aging, dwindling, dying people.

    Since Russian and Ukrainian are so close, however, at least the Russian-speakers in the world will be able to make out what those delusional “ukrainian” poets have written about their “heroes.”

    • Replies: @AP
    @RadicalCenter


    Ukrainians” are a rapidly aging, dwindling, dying people.
     
    They are about the same as other Europeans. The difference is that they haven't allowed their homeland to get settled by lots of non-Europeans, as Western Europeans and Americans have done.

    Since Russian and Ukrainian are so close, however, at least the Russian-speakers in the world will be able to make out
     
    No, they aren't close enough for that. Did a mischievous Russian teach you that "fact?"
  886. @LatW
    @Europe Europa


    Ukrainian doesn’t seem that much closer to Russian than Serbo-Croatian in my opinion, they all have a lot of similarities and overlap but also significant differences that make them distinct languages.
     
    Ukrainian is closer to Serbo-Croatian (and Polish & Slovak) than Russian is to those languages. I guess they can be called Lusatian. There's a range of vocabulary that is common to all those languages but not Russian. Ukrainian is definitely more archaic, the connection with the Baltic languages (including Old Prussian) is more noticeable than in Russian.

    Patria et libertas.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Ukrainian is sufficiently distinct to be a separate language rather than just a dialect of Russian, but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarussian than to Polish or any other language:

    Here’s a useful video from Canadian linguist Paul Jorgensen about Russian and Ukrainian:

    Here’s one from EcoLinguist where Poles, Slovaks and Russians try to understand Ukrainian:

    • Replies: @LatW
    @RadicalCenter


    Ukrainian is sufficiently distinct to be a separate language rather than just a dialect of Russian, but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarusian than to Polish or any other language
     
    I was trying to highlight the large group of words that are common in what I would call Lusatian languages in Central Europe and Ukrainian, but not common with Russian. Basic words such as "thank you", "week", "morning", "work", and many others.

    In this link there is a small table that shows the comparison:

    https://www.quora.com/Are-Ukraine-and-Poland-close-culturally

    In the beginning of the war the Ukrainians used the word Паляниця - which means a type of a pastry - to distinguish who is a local and who is an occupier (as Russians wouldn't know this word).

    The Russian television often translates Ukrainian. That doesn't mean these languages are not close, it just means they are sufficiently distinct to require a translation even for the Russian audience. I know both of these languages well, so I know what I'm talking about. I was surprised to see that many Lusatian words in Ukrainian. Belarusian and Ukrainian are practically identical (like Danish & Norwegian, maybe even closer).

    Ukrainian pronunciation, too, can in some cases be close to Slovak, for instance (and in some cases even Latvian).

    Replies: @LatW

    , @AP
    @RadicalCenter


    but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarussian than to Polish or any other language:
     
    No.

    It is closest to Belarussian but is equidistant to Polish as to Russian. The simple version is that its grammar and pronunciation are closer to Russian but it's vocabulary is closer to Polish. A Ukrainian familiar with neither the Russian nor the Polish languages would understand either one equally well (or poorly) but would struggle in different ways.
  887. @utu
    @AaronB

    It feels so dated and feels banal. While I have a great respect for Simone Weil and some of her insights seem to be very original in general that kind of style and the template of assembling thoughts does not belong to our age anymore. You can still find it among some Europeans like for example in the musings of that Bernard-Henri Lévy which only makes him appear even greater hypocrite and fraud than he already is at least to American eye and ear.

    From the cybernetic point of view cultural and socio-political systems are all very alike and the differences among them stem from different settings of initial parameters. This is why trajectories of European ideas in America were different and frequently much more rapid and dynamic because the parameter for individualism and the parameter for egalitarianism and the parameter for liberty including the economic activity in America were different. Often it led to commercialization of ideas and making them available to the masses which led to some sort of empowerment of the deplorable class which is unmitigated by adherence to tradition and reverence to good taste.

    Always blaming America is possible and can be done very eloquently but rarely it is really honest and persuasive. The processes of change in America run faster than in Europe thus it is inevitable that it appears to Europeans that the Zeitgeist is created in America while Europeans are only passive recipients and victims of it. There is a potentiality of many things, many actions and many worlds. But somebody have to do the it first before the it may get traction and become normalized.

    In Europe it seems that it was the aristocrats and intellectuals that led the masses and brought novelties to them like for example cunnilingus but in America the masses and their lowest strata are the one that innovate like for example normalizing 'bitch' as term of endearment for women and obsessions with fellatio among Blacks. And the bitches love it. European bitches as well.

    So what Europe can do? Can Europe do anything w/o having it first happening in America?

    Replies: @AaronB

    But I don’t regard this as any simple blaming of America at all.

    It is the description of how a certain “complex of ideas” spread across the world in a complicated relationship of influences in which no one actor is fully at “fault”.

    Even though the ideas were “birthed” in Europe, this doesn’t make Europe as a whole “at fault” for them.

    In spiritual terms, these are “larger spiritual forces” at work and describing the pattern of their spread and domination is useful in arresting them, that’s all, not in assigning blame.

    I see it like this – Certain men in Europe created this “complex of ideas”, but within Europe they were were often opposed and balanced by other and opposite cultural forces, like tradition.(not always, as in revolutionary France).

    So some European men had the idea to plant these ideas in a new and empty field that did not have these countervailing forces, like America.

    In this new soil and unopposed, this idea complex was refined into a great purity and strength, at which point it was brought back to the land of it’s birth with renewed strength to destroy the lingering forces of opposition.

    Europe succumbing to a significant degree, other parts of the world like China could not credibly hold out anymore, in a sort of domino effect.

    And today, this “idea complex” is attempting to use China as it’s primary “avatar” ( or perhaps “golem”) to breathe renewed global life into this idea complex, which is gradually growing old.

    But today, I would argue no truly primary focal point for this idea complex exists, and America, Europe, and China, influence each other in a ln interrelated web, with Russia, Japan, Korea, etc, all part of it. China is just one primary pole, but many toxic developments of this idea complex clearly come from modern Europe.

    It’s a diffuse global phenomenon now.

    At the same time, it’s futile to deny that some countries provide more fertile soil than others, at least for certain strands, at least temporarily.

    And ultimately, I believe this is a spiritual battle more than anything.

  888. @AP
    @LondonBob

    Zelensky has stated that any peace deal will require a referendum for ratification. He has accumulated a lot of political capital with his personal heroism and can convince, but will not act without having convinced. So any peace deal would have to be one that would be acceptable to most Ukrainians - which would be one that Russian nationalists would hate.

    At the moment I don’t see Ukrainians agreeing to any concessions towards the country that chose to invade them and murder its people, other then no NATO. Personally I think that the pre-February 2022 border was ideal, that Crimea and urban Donbas are poison pills with hostile anti-Ukrainian populations, and that officially recognising their loss (particularly in exchange for financial compensation) would be good for Ukraine. But most Ukrainians don’t feel that way. Maybe Zelensky can convince them to change their minds about that. Fast track to EU might sweeten the pot. Few in Ukraine would ever agree to abandon their Ukrainian brothers in Kherson and other areas seized by Russian murderers though.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @RadicalCenter

    You mean, “few” other than the millions of ukrainian residents who have become Russian citizens and/or moved to Russia, and the many Russian-speaking people still in the ukraine who support Russia’s actions.

    And since when does a country or nation pay financial compensation to the scumbags who have been terrorizing and attacking its people? Whatever is left of the ukraine should pay compensation to the beleaguered people of the Donbas region, not the other way around.

    • Replies: @AP
    @RadicalCenter

    Thanks for confirming you are yet another of Russia's "useful idiots" on the Right. You have failed to protect your own country and hold something against those who are far better than you and who unlike you are fighting for their country. When you (or your descendants) ultimately betray what is left of your country, will it be for China or for Russia? Made up your mind yet?


    You mean, “few” other than the millions of ukrainian residents who have become Russian citizens and/or moved to Russia
     
    Typically when someone chooses to move away and settle elsewhere they lose their original citizenship. Oligarchs can get away with it, but this is rare.

    and the many Russian-speaking people still in the ukraine who support Russia’s actions.
     
    Normal people turn against a country that slaughters them. After February, pro-Russian sentiment has evaporated in Ukraine. At most 2% of the population, probably a lot lower, support Russia's actions. They are irrelevant.

    I had some relatives in Ukraine who were pro-Russian before February. Russia's actions have turned them very anti-Russian. If them, than most others too.


    And since when does a country or nation pay financial compensation to the scumbags who have been terrorizing and attacking its people
     
    I don't recall Ukraine attacking and causing damage to Russia. Russia chose to invade Ukraine and has caused billions of dollars of damage by this invasion, which Russia is obligated to pay. Probably the money will come from Russia's seized assets.

    Whatever is left of the ukraine should pay compensation to the beleaguered people of the Donbas region
     
    If Ukraine got Donbas back, Russia would be obligated to pay Ukraine for the damage there too, but hopefully it will keep Donbas so that will be irrelevant.

    All Donbas damage and killings after the first few weeks is the result of Russia sending arms and volunteers and regular soldiers being sent into another country in order to make a rebellion within that country possible and in order to prolong it. No different from what was done to Syria by the USA, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia.

    Putin is now the world's number one killer of Slavs. He is sending non-European Buryats and Chechens to kill Slavs in Europe. It is almost amusing that "useful idiots" on the right, such as you, take his side and repeat his side's nonsense. Rather like useful idiots on the left in Soviet days, taking the side of the USSR as a "working man's paradise" where agricultural workers were starved to death en masse.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  889. @iffen
    @Barbarossa

    I now remember why I had you on the CTI list for so many years.

    Back you go.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Hah! Now you’ve gotten me curious as to the offending sentiment that pushed me back over the edge. Care to share since expiring mind need to know?

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Barbarossa

    This comment (was) for utu and his comment 881. When I posted it I immediately got a duplicate message notice which didn't make sense and then a message saying it was in moderation.

  890. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    I don't know - Orwell was an extremely intelligent and perceptive observer who refined his intellectual integrity to a very high degree, so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that his observation considered and ruled out any obvious and simple confounding factors of the kind you mention.

    He was probably also not the only one to make that observation at the time.

    Nuts and berries are certainly healthy, but it has also been demonstrated that many societies thrive on a diet of raw dairy products, notably the traditional Swiss, who made the best soldiers in Europe (and still provide the Pope's personal guard as a historical echo of this fact).

    At this point in time, the study of nutrition according to modern scientific methods of isolating individual components is in a primitive state - the analytical method just hasn't given us more than a few simple facts, like vitamin C is necessary in certain doses, and there is a growing argument that foods must be studied as "wholes", because each part interacts with all the others (and a food can have thousands of parts).

    So we are thrown back on observational studies and historical, archeological, and anecdotal studies.

    At this point we know that humans have thrived on a fairly wide variety of diets - the Eskimos eat almost entirely meat and fat and the Masai eat entirely milk, cow meat, and cow blood.

    The only unifying principle among the wide variety of diets that have permitted humans to flourish is that the foods have not been highly processed according to modern methods.

    There seems to be a significant "dividing line" between traditional methods of processing food, which are obviously also not entirely natural, and the methods and chemical additives of modernity.

    Modern methods seem to have crossed some invisible line of "permissible" artificiality that humans are not meant to go beyond, leading to chronic and degenerative disease, obesity, and loss of vitality.

    There is a level of cooperation with nature that we ignore to our peril.

    As for Descartes, in important ways his philosophy of the soul reproduces the deathless and changeless state of a disembodied machine - he was hostile to organic life.

    It is surely no accident that he regarded biological animals as automatons who cannot feel - thinkers generally spin their philosophy out of a common matrix of ideas, and one cannot say his attitude to animals has no connection to his other ideas.


    Here I would agree (just from intuition, which is all we have for this topic) more with Descartes, that when you are dead, your body is irrelevant. So, worms, do not eat “you”, as you are not the same as your body in that stage
     
    This seems like a very alienated and cold modern stance which misses the opportunity to affirm a spiritual oneness with the rest of creation.

    Granted, one is not entirely coterminous with the body, certainly, but one has some connection to it and the opportunity to make a "gift" of it in a gesture of beauty and affirm ones spiritual relationship to everything else.

    This radical Descartian separation between matter and spirit is very much to be at the root of the modern malaise and our inability to see that matter is a dimension of soul, not it's antithesis, and why we deny sacredness to the physical world.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    benefit of the doubt that his observation

    Orwell’s observation could be true, but result of something like fall in infant mortality. Writer’s observation is a like a primary source. But then there will be different explanations, which you could try to test.

    If we accepted that Orwell, has seen a representative sample, etc, and recorded the results in some objective way. Your hypothesis is that there is a change of diet. I would offer hypothesis fall in infant mortality.

    very alienated and cold modern stance

    It depends how you define “modern”, but I would say the other way around from middle 20th century at least. where body and person are claimed to be the same. 20th century philosophy usually has rejected this.

    Descartes’ view has been the more common or “ordinary” view in written history. It’s true in some of Buddhism, there is a stronger level of skepticism than Descartes accepted, and goes against a view of an hermetic, unitary, soul.

    he regarded biological animals as automatons who cannot feel – thinkers generally spin their philosophy out of a common matrix of ideas,

    A more normal view, would be to extend Descartes’ dualism and just include animals having souls. And the question for ethics, is how far this extends. But with discussions about “consciousness”, it is question which would be solved only with more scientific knowledge (e.g. can fish experience pain, etc).

    Modern methods seem to have crossed

    Sure, the consumption of “ultra-processed” food seems to increase risks for an earlier mortality.

    https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ajcn/nqac043/6535558

    societies thrive on a diet of raw dairy products, notably the traditional Swiss, who made the best soldiers

    Soldiers and diets is probably not much connection. Developed countries with high life expectancy (like Switzerland, Japan, Great Britain, Germany, France), will usually have more professional armies, than countries with low life expectancy. But these are more related to the level of organization in the country.

    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.

     

    Oops, the link is here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg0. I missed the final "0" when I pasted the link.

    It depends how you define “modern”, but I would say the other way around from middle 20th century at least. where body and person are claimed to be the same. 20th century philosophy usually has rejected this.
     
    * To write this paragraph more clearly, "20th century philosophy usually has been trying to reject (e.g. Cartesian) dualism."
    , @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    You're right, I can't prove that Orwell is right, I only say that I personally find his observations credible, especially since I'm putting it together with similar facts from other eras.

    I want to reiterate that Orwell himself thought that the First World War killed off these impressive physiques, and it is only *I* who suggest it is diet.

    But I can't prove it - it is no more than a hypothesis that together with other facts I find compelling, but each is free to make up his own mind.

    Fair enough, I did you an injustice :) Your view of the soul is considerably less cold and alienated than the complete modern denial of anything but the body, but it still falls short of what I believe can be a much more beautiful attitude towards the world.

    Descartes view has significant differences with traditional religious views of the soul that puts him directly in the line of development towards the "mechanistic" view of life and reality embraced by modernity - not for nothing is Descartes considered to be the father of modern philosophy, and his revolting attitude towards animals surely can't be completely unrelated to his philosophy as a whole.

    I recently read a very interesting discussion of this in detail, but I don't remember the details. I will try and find it for you.

    Organization certainly plays an important role in combat, but it makes no sense to undeplay physical stamina, strength, and morale, which are hugely important, and on which diet has a significant effect. Especially in pre-modern combat, and the Swiss were renounced fighters from the 15th century.

    So I can't agree with you here. I think you are committing the typical "mechanistic fallacy", which in the light of Ukraine's spirited fight against the "modernized" juggernaut of Russia's military should provide a particularly vivid and memorable contemporary refutation (and there are countless from history).


    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.
     
    Yes, and we have much to learn from them!

    Although I wouldn't necessarily conflate longevity with vitality, and one may choose greater vitality over longevity.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Dmitry

  891. @Dmitry
    @songbird


    Americans being very lactose tolerant
     
    Children in every country should be lactose tolerant for drinking milk, as lactose intolerance begins only with adults.

    In European nationalities with longer experience with dairy milk (although still only around <240 generations), there is higher level of adaptation called "lactase persistence" among adults (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence).

    This matches the experiments with fruit flies.

    Fruit flies are historically eating apples. In a laboratory in America, they have a group of fruit flies eating bananas for some 1000 or less generations.

    These fruit flies still have equal health when eating either banana or apple diet. But among the older fruit flies, the health is falling with the banana (1000 generation) diet.

    This is apparently like a thirty year experience.

    In one paper, they hypothesize from this in maybe not such convincing way. "Our results suggest that young people from populations with long histories of agriculture may be well adapted to agricultural diets. But at later ages, such adaptation to agricultural life may fail" (https://escholarship.org/content/qt738828jj/qt738828jj.pdf)


    American anthropology, I suggest going to youtube and searching “milk does a body good.” These were a series of commercials

     

    Much of 20th century American culture has been been influenced with "state capture" by different industries, including agriculture. Of course, oil industry, automobile industry, etc, are very obvious examples in modern culture.

    Some external public agencies like "USAID" was created to help internal private agriculture interests in the 1950s.


    curious to know whether you ever saw milk in Russian schools.
     
    No, but apparently they tried to copy a school milk program from the United Kingdom perhaps around 10 or 15 years ago (this was an attempt to copy a British programme of drinking milk in schools). In my time, most people just had some chocolate bars in the class. Food provided in the canteen, for anyone brave or crazy to go there, was something categorically inedible, like some cold macaroni, perhaps made for Monday and serving from the same pot each day all week.

    Replies: @songbird

    Children in every country should be lactose tolerant for drinking milk, as lactose intolerance begins only with adults.

    AFAIK, the production of the enzyme shuts off fairly quickly, like around age 2, which is when you would expect weaning to stop. But it may be that undigested lactose is usually not a problem in children because they have shorter intestines and smaller stomachs.

    Interestingly, the “European” allele T*13910 is also found in some populations from Africa, including the Fulani (from Mali, Sudan, and Cameroon) and the Khoe from South Africa. I wonder whether the Romans brought it there on their expeditions into Africa. Would be really interesting to try to put a date on it.

    Much of 20th century American culture has been been influenced with “state capture” by different industries, including agriculture. Of course, oil industry, automobile industry, etc, are very obvious examples in modern culture.

    When I was in high school, we had a few vending machines with coca-cola products. Part of their deal was that there be no competition. I guess it was to try to build brand loyalty.

  892. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    benefit of the doubt that his observation

     

    Orwell's observation could be true, but result of something like fall in infant mortality. Writer's observation is a like a primary source. But then there will be different explanations, which you could try to test.

    If we accepted that Orwell, has seen a representative sample, etc, and recorded the results in some objective way. Your hypothesis is that there is a change of diet. I would offer hypothesis fall in infant mortality.


    very alienated and cold modern stance
     
    It depends how you define "modern", but I would say the other way around from middle 20th century at least. where body and person are claimed to be the same. 20th century philosophy usually has rejected this.

    Descartes' view has been the more common or "ordinary" view in written history. It's true in some of Buddhism, there is a stronger level of skepticism than Descartes accepted, and goes against a view of an hermetic, unitary, soul.


    he regarded biological animals as automatons who cannot feel – thinkers generally spin their philosophy out of a common matrix of ideas,
     
    A more normal view, would be to extend Descartes' dualism and just include animals having souls. And the question for ethics, is how far this extends. But with discussions about "consciousness", it is question which would be solved only with more scientific knowledge (e.g. can fish experience pain, etc).

    Modern methods seem to have crossed

     

    Sure, the consumption of "ultra-processed" food seems to increase risks for an earlier mortality.

    https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ajcn/nqac043/6535558


    societies thrive on a diet of raw dairy products, notably the traditional Swiss, who made the best soldiers
     
    Soldiers and diets is probably not much connection. Developed countries with high life expectancy (like Switzerland, Japan, Great Britain, Germany, France), will usually have more professional armies, than countries with low life expectancy. But these are more related to the level of organization in the country.

    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AaronB

    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.

    Oops, the link is here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg0. I missed the final “0” when I pasted the link.

    It depends how you define “modern”, but I would say the other way around from middle 20th century at least. where body and person are claimed to be the same. 20th century philosophy usually has rejected this.

    * To write this paragraph more clearly, “20th century philosophy usually has been trying to reject (e.g. Cartesian) dualism.”

  893. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    Holsteins (the black and white ones) are quite a bit dumber than the older breeds like my Jersey.
     
    Yes, I had a Holstein a long time ago and every time I've seen you explain how docile and friendly your Jersey is, I've wondered what I may have done wrong. She never quite saw me as a friendly creature, no matter how much care I gave her.

    BTW, I totally agree with you that milk from your own cow is unlikely to cause you any illness. You wouldn't give your family a product that you haven't taken all precautions to make sure is totally clean (difficult as it sometimes was with my silly Holstein). But still, we used to boil our fresh milk, which also helped with the skimming process.

    The whole experience left me skeptical about raising dairy animals. I'm not sure that I was able to experience the big flavor difference that AaronB and you talk about (perhaps because I boiled the milk?) but most of all, milking an animal everyday is a lot of work and commitment. I've often thought about keeping one or two goats on my 1.5 acre farm. They would also help with the weeds and fertilization. But, nice as my neighbors are, I would never ask them to take the big trouble of milking my goats when we go on vacation so it doesn't look likely I'll try any time soon.

    If you don't mind my asking, how do you solve the problem of traveling while raising a homestead cow?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Barbarossa

    Well, animals are individuals and I happen to have gem of a cow now. Our previous Jersey was much more feisty and tended to kick the bucket over more and be somewhat more PITA. Also, I get along with the cows quite well, they are better behaved for me than my wife. Our other cow didn’t like to be led by my wife or let down her milk. All I would have to do is yell “Oy, cow!” into the pasture and she would come trotting up.

    The lack of taste difference you noticed was probably due to her being a Holstein. They are big animals geared toward low cream/ high volume. They are not a great choice for a home dairy since they put out rather overwhelming quantities of mediocre milk. Also boiling the milk will greatly decrease the flavor since it is hard to not over pasteurize it at home.

    Personally, I would much prefer handling a cow to a couple goats since goats are hellions looking to do Satan’s work on Earth. You never have to wonder if you are going to come home to find your cow on your roof. Not so with goats.

    Also, goat’s milk comes homogenized which means there is no cream. That is sad, although can be a bonus if one is troubled intestinally by cow’s milk.

    YellowfaceAnon is correct. You go on long trips when your cow is dried off. It is possible to have people milk, but it’s not really ideal unless you are really on the same page.
    This is actually kind of a feature since it forces you to focus more on revolving your life around home. Being able to be gone can become it’s own kind of a curse to a point. It’s too easy to dilute one’s attention and time to the point where one is truly nowhere and the whole point of homesteading is be all in on one particular place.

    • Thanks: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Thanks for the explanations and for the laughs. Your humor reminded me of the mythical John Seymour. Perhaps I wouldn't be living on a farm if I hadn't discovered his classic book on self-suffiency when I was a teenager.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51bVR-mCoGL._SX407_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa


    Also, I get along with the cows quite well, they are better behaved for me than my wife.
     
    I like this ambiguity here. : )
  894. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    benefit of the doubt that his observation

     

    Orwell's observation could be true, but result of something like fall in infant mortality. Writer's observation is a like a primary source. But then there will be different explanations, which you could try to test.

    If we accepted that Orwell, has seen a representative sample, etc, and recorded the results in some objective way. Your hypothesis is that there is a change of diet. I would offer hypothesis fall in infant mortality.


    very alienated and cold modern stance
     
    It depends how you define "modern", but I would say the other way around from middle 20th century at least. where body and person are claimed to be the same. 20th century philosophy usually has rejected this.

    Descartes' view has been the more common or "ordinary" view in written history. It's true in some of Buddhism, there is a stronger level of skepticism than Descartes accepted, and goes against a view of an hermetic, unitary, soul.


    he regarded biological animals as automatons who cannot feel – thinkers generally spin their philosophy out of a common matrix of ideas,
     
    A more normal view, would be to extend Descartes' dualism and just include animals having souls. And the question for ethics, is how far this extends. But with discussions about "consciousness", it is question which would be solved only with more scientific knowledge (e.g. can fish experience pain, etc).

    Modern methods seem to have crossed

     

    Sure, the consumption of "ultra-processed" food seems to increase risks for an earlier mortality.

    https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ajcn/nqac043/6535558


    societies thrive on a diet of raw dairy products, notably the traditional Swiss, who made the best soldiers
     
    Soldiers and diets is probably not much connection. Developed countries with high life expectancy (like Switzerland, Japan, Great Britain, Germany, France), will usually have more professional armies, than countries with low life expectancy. But these are more related to the level of organization in the country.

    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AaronB

    You’re right, I can’t prove that Orwell is right, I only say that I personally find his observations credible, especially since I’m putting it together with similar facts from other eras.

    I want to reiterate that Orwell himself thought that the First World War killed off these impressive physiques, and it is only *I* who suggest it is diet.

    But I can’t prove it – it is no more than a hypothesis that together with other facts I find compelling, but each is free to make up his own mind.

    Fair enough, I did you an injustice 🙂 Your view of the soul is considerably less cold and alienated than the complete modern denial of anything but the body, but it still falls short of what I believe can be a much more beautiful attitude towards the world.

    Descartes view has significant differences with traditional religious views of the soul that puts him directly in the line of development towards the “mechanistic” view of life and reality embraced by modernity – not for nothing is Descartes considered to be the father of modern philosophy, and his revolting attitude towards animals surely can’t be completely unrelated to his philosophy as a whole.

    I recently read a very interesting discussion of this in detail, but I don’t remember the details. I will try and find it for you.

    Organization certainly plays an important role in combat, but it makes no sense to undeplay physical stamina, strength, and morale, which are hugely important, and on which diet has a significant effect. Especially in pre-modern combat, and the Swiss were renounced fighters from the 15th century.

    So I can’t agree with you here. I think you are committing the typical “mechanistic fallacy”, which in the light of Ukraine’s spirited fight against the “modernized” juggernaut of Russia’s military should provide a particularly vivid and memorable contemporary refutation (and there are countless from history).

    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.

    Yes, and we have much to learn from them!

    Although I wouldn’t necessarily conflate longevity with vitality, and one may choose greater vitality over longevity.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @AaronB

    Apparently, Descartes reported that he once looked out the window, and he saw all the people out there as mechanical machines devoid of life.

    His philosophy has been summarized as the desire to be detached from life and not engage with it emotionally, but to be a spectator who brings the world before his eyes as "representation".

    To not "affectively" engage with the world, but to bring it before you as mere representation, means to "objectify" the world - abstract representations is necessary to master the world technologically and dominate it.

    The problem is, that when this is your dominant mode of approaching the world, your own self and the selves of others become mere mechanical objects. They do not escape this cognitive net.

    Consequently, Descartes said he could not be sure he truly had a body, but he only thought so intellectually, and that he saw no connection between hunger, pain, and other sensations, and the desire to eat or the feeling of distress.

    In other words, Descartes doubted the existence of others, the existence of his own body, and the existence of his emotions - he offered a view of existence as devitalized and mechanical.

    This was a major milestone towards the modern mechanization of the world and life, and away from the traditional and pre-modern idea that everything is "ensouled" and alive.

    Not for nothing is Descartes considered one of the fathers of modern thought.

    This is the result of the hypertrophy of the rational faculty, which ends in delusion and utter disconnection from concrete reality and life.

    It is time our global civilization recognizes this was a step into madness, and return to reality and life.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @Barbarossa

    , @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Orwell .. killed off these impressive physique
     
    We don't know if "physique declines", just because Orwell says he thought he saw less people with such physique (although it would be interesting to read the article?).

    If it was true, it could be that he sees a different sample. There could be a filter which allows more "unhealthy looking" people to survive to be adults (which we know is true, as infant mortality falls). There could be change of lifestyle or diet.

    But we know that the more "unhealthy looking" people would survive to be adults in this time, from the infant mortality fall. So, that would be a hypothesis that has perhaps some evidence.


    view of the soul is considerably less cold and alienated than the complete modern denial of anything but the bod

     

    I guess it depends on the context, but for historians "modern" refers to 1500-

    This belief body = person, is mainstream in the academic view at least in the middle 20th century.

    But since the late 20th century, the mainstream view has moved more to accepting consciousness is not so "easy" yet to understand with current knowledge.


    Descartes view has significant differences with traditional religious views of the soul
     
    I think it is consistent still with Judeo-Christian-Islamic views of 17th century, not something inconsistent with what he might have learned in Jesuit school.

    fight against the “modernized” juggernaut of Russia’s military
     
    I don't think anyone can consider it modernized to 21st century standards, but perhaps "modernized" if this is defined with low entry standards. Like early 1980s level of "modernization" and with second world organization standards.

    Descartes said he could not be sure he truly had a body, but he only thought so intellectually, and that he saw no connection

     

    He accepted existence of an external world, based on faith in a benevolent god. Isn't it considered the weaker step in his arguments?

    he offered a view of existence as devitalized and mechanical.

     

    He offered skeptical arguments and then argues against them, with ontological argument, then a step in argument based in faith about the attitude of god.

    His skeptical argument goes less than in Buddhism, as he does not argument against his own existence or unitary soul.


    philosophy has been summarized as the desire to be detached from life and not engage with it emotionally, but to be a spectator w
     
    I don't believe this is exactly his summary.

    Usually he is viewed as "rationalism" in contradiction to "empiricism". He believes you can access knowledge of the world through reason and closing your eyes.

    Contrast is usually with "empiricism", where knowledge of world requires opening your eyes and studying the sensations created by the external world. Scientific revolution was usually seen more consistent with "empiricism" worldview.

    -

    In terms of personality of Descartes, he liked to sleep a lot and also just to lie on the bed thinking. His friends were very angry, because he was not staying in bed in the morning.

    Queen Christina of Sweden invites him to teach her. She says he has to wake at 5am for morning class in winter. He died some weeks later of pneumonia.


    selves of others become mere mechanical objects.
     
    Descartes does not say people are mechanical objects. He believes the person is the soul, which is connected to a mechanical object (body).

    So, human bodies are just a mechanical machine. But there is an immaterial soul connected to the machine by pituitary gland towards the base of the brain.

    A difficult area of his theory, was to explain that immaterial souls can interface with this material world. Soul is immaterial, then how can it cause changes to material?

    Replies: @AaronB

  895. @RadicalCenter
    @LatW

    Ukrainian is sufficiently distinct to be a separate language rather than just a dialect of Russian, but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarussian than to Polish or any other language:

    Here’s a useful video from Canadian linguist Paul Jorgensen about Russian and Ukrainian:
    https://youtu.be/CQLM62r5nLI

    Here’s one from EcoLinguist where Poles, Slovaks and Russians try to understand Ukrainian:
    https://youtu.be/e_IZkB2fg-w

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    Ukrainian is sufficiently distinct to be a separate language rather than just a dialect of Russian, but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarusian than to Polish or any other language

    I was trying to highlight the large group of words that are common in what I would call Lusatian languages in Central Europe and Ukrainian, but not common with Russian. Basic words such as “thank you”, “week”, “morning”, “work”, and many others.

    In this link there is a small table that shows the comparison:

    https://www.quora.com/Are-Ukraine-and-Poland-close-culturally

    In the beginning of the war the Ukrainians used the word Паляниця – which means a type of a pastry – to distinguish who is a local and who is an occupier (as Russians wouldn’t know this word).

    The Russian television often translates Ukrainian. That doesn’t mean these languages are not close, it just means they are sufficiently distinct to require a translation even for the Russian audience. I know both of these languages well, so I know what I’m talking about. I was surprised to see that many Lusatian words in Ukrainian. Belarusian and Ukrainian are practically identical (like Danish & Norwegian, maybe even closer).

    Ukrainian pronunciation, too, can in some cases be close to Slovak, for instance (and in some cases even Latvian).

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    To clarify my point. Regardless of whether Ukrainian is closest to Russian, Ukrainian is much closer to the Lusatian languages (Polish, Slovak, Sorbian, etc) than Russian is to those languages. Ukrainian has that overlap in vocabulary but modern Russian doesn't.

    There are also quite a few words of Latin origin in Ukrainian.

  896. @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    I have mixed feelings about it. Can't help, but think that some of our modern customs around death are grotesque. There's an industry around it which seems very material. I like to joke, just dump me on the side of the road.

    But, OTOH, I fascinated by old gravestones. They've taught me different interesting things, that I wouldn't have known otherwise. No doubt, it was a big expense and vanity, at the time. And, yet, it is still fascinating.

    Like, I don't know if you ever had the experience of seeing the coat of arms of Irish clans. I saw them on different occasions growing up. My grandfather had some poster featuring the family name. I was once in a local Irish American hall, and it was full of different ones. As a boy, I always wondered if it was all made-up or not. But I actually saw it on a three hundred year old grave, the combined heraldry of the husband and wife - obviously a boast, but it led me to some really interesting history that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

    I also think that all this ancient DNA is pretty fascinating. I'm glad they they buried those guys in a stone tomb on Rathlin, like 4,000 years ago, rather than burning their bodies.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I find funeral homes, embalming, concrete vaults etc. very grotesque personally. I agree that it seems materialistic, wasteful, and also disconnected from the reality of death and life itself. It’s very strange.

    That is not to say that I don’t want my earthly shell handled with some dignity, but I’m also not squeamish about being food for the microbes.

    My own parents just spent 18k on an all included funeral arrangement, which is very thoughtful of them but makes me wince a bit at the needless expenses.

    Personally, I already know where on my property I’ll be buried so that is taken care of. I’ll make my own coffin, so there is that, although my wife just wants a shroud as she thinks a pine box is a bit much. I work with wood, so I have my little vanities!

    Otherwise, I would like to splurge on a hand-carved gravestone made out of some good slate. It would be fun to think of someone coming across it in a couple hundred years.

    Otherwise I want my money spent on a big blowout bash of a funeral with all the greatest food, drink, and merriment possible. I’ll be offended if everyone hangs around with long faces. Maybe I’ll threaten to haunt them for that too. The big party won’t really cost that much in the grand scheme of things so my kids can have all the money I save and do something productive with it.

    I’m dead (hah hah) serious about expecting my kids to dig the hole. It seems therapeutic to do some back-breaking labor while grieving. Plus they’ll end up laughing about it since their Dad would expect them to do some damn fool thing like that.

    I think that strikes a nice balance overall. Respectful and meaningful without being prissy and pretentious. Hopefully I’ll give everyone one more great memory as I shed this earthly coil.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qstUxos2cBs

    Replies: @songbird

  897. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Well, animals are individuals and I happen to have gem of a cow now. Our previous Jersey was much more feisty and tended to kick the bucket over more and be somewhat more PITA. Also, I get along with the cows quite well, they are better behaved for me than my wife. Our other cow didn't like to be led by my wife or let down her milk. All I would have to do is yell "Oy, cow!" into the pasture and she would come trotting up.

    The lack of taste difference you noticed was probably due to her being a Holstein. They are big animals geared toward low cream/ high volume. They are not a great choice for a home dairy since they put out rather overwhelming quantities of mediocre milk. Also boiling the milk will greatly decrease the flavor since it is hard to not over pasteurize it at home.

    Personally, I would much prefer handling a cow to a couple goats since goats are hellions looking to do Satan's work on Earth. You never have to wonder if you are going to come home to find your cow on your roof. Not so with goats.

    Also, goat's milk comes homogenized which means there is no cream. That is sad, although can be a bonus if one is troubled intestinally by cow's milk.

    YellowfaceAnon is correct. You go on long trips when your cow is dried off. It is possible to have people milk, but it's not really ideal unless you are really on the same page.
    This is actually kind of a feature since it forces you to focus more on revolving your life around home. Being able to be gone can become it's own kind of a curse to a point. It's too easy to dilute one's attention and time to the point where one is truly nowhere and the whole point of homesteading is be all in on one particular place.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks for the explanations and for the laughs. Your humor reminded me of the mythical John Seymour. Perhaps I wouldn’t be living on a farm if I hadn’t discovered his classic book on self-suffiency when I was a teenager.

  898. @LatW
    @RadicalCenter


    Ukrainian is sufficiently distinct to be a separate language rather than just a dialect of Russian, but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarusian than to Polish or any other language
     
    I was trying to highlight the large group of words that are common in what I would call Lusatian languages in Central Europe and Ukrainian, but not common with Russian. Basic words such as "thank you", "week", "morning", "work", and many others.

    In this link there is a small table that shows the comparison:

    https://www.quora.com/Are-Ukraine-and-Poland-close-culturally

    In the beginning of the war the Ukrainians used the word Паляниця - which means a type of a pastry - to distinguish who is a local and who is an occupier (as Russians wouldn't know this word).

    The Russian television often translates Ukrainian. That doesn't mean these languages are not close, it just means they are sufficiently distinct to require a translation even for the Russian audience. I know both of these languages well, so I know what I'm talking about. I was surprised to see that many Lusatian words in Ukrainian. Belarusian and Ukrainian are practically identical (like Danish & Norwegian, maybe even closer).

    Ukrainian pronunciation, too, can in some cases be close to Slovak, for instance (and in some cases even Latvian).

    Replies: @LatW

    To clarify my point. Regardless of whether Ukrainian is closest to Russian, Ukrainian is much closer to the Lusatian languages (Polish, Slovak, Sorbian, etc) than Russian is to those languages. Ukrainian has that overlap in vocabulary but modern Russian doesn’t.

    There are also quite a few words of Latin origin in Ukrainian.

  899. AP says:
    @RadicalCenter
    @AP

    You mean, “few” other than the millions of ukrainian residents who have become Russian citizens and/or moved to Russia, and the many Russian-speaking people still in the ukraine who support Russia’s actions.

    And since when does a country or nation pay financial compensation to the scumbags who have been terrorizing and attacking its people? Whatever is left of the ukraine should pay compensation to the beleaguered people of the Donbas region, not the other way around.

    Replies: @AP

    Thanks for confirming you are yet another of Russia’s “useful idiots” on the Right. You have failed to protect your own country and hold something against those who are far better than you and who unlike you are fighting for their country. When you (or your descendants) ultimately betray what is left of your country, will it be for China or for Russia? Made up your mind yet?

    You mean, “few” other than the millions of ukrainian residents who have become Russian citizens and/or moved to Russia

    Typically when someone chooses to move away and settle elsewhere they lose their original citizenship. Oligarchs can get away with it, but this is rare.

    and the many Russian-speaking people still in the ukraine who support Russia’s actions.

    Normal people turn against a country that slaughters them. After February, pro-Russian sentiment has evaporated in Ukraine. At most 2% of the population, probably a lot lower, support Russia’s actions. They are irrelevant.

    I had some relatives in Ukraine who were pro-Russian before February. Russia’s actions have turned them very anti-Russian. If them, than most others too.

    And since when does a country or nation pay financial compensation to the scumbags who have been terrorizing and attacking its people

    I don’t recall Ukraine attacking and causing damage to Russia. Russia chose to invade Ukraine and has caused billions of dollars of damage by this invasion, which Russia is obligated to pay. Probably the money will come from Russia’s seized assets.

    Whatever is left of the ukraine should pay compensation to the beleaguered people of the Donbas region

    If Ukraine got Donbas back, Russia would be obligated to pay Ukraine for the damage there too, but hopefully it will keep Donbas so that will be irrelevant.

    All Donbas damage and killings after the first few weeks is the result of Russia sending arms and volunteers and regular soldiers being sent into another country in order to make a rebellion within that country possible and in order to prolong it. No different from what was done to Syria by the USA, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia.

    Putin is now the world’s number one killer of Slavs. He is sending non-European Buryats and Chechens to kill Slavs in Europe. It is almost amusing that “useful idiots” on the right, such as you, take his side and repeat his side’s nonsense. Rather like useful idiots on the left in Soviet days, taking the side of the USSR as a “working man’s paradise” where agricultural workers were starved to death en masse.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    failed to protect your own country

     

    How can he "fail to protect his country"? He is American. Maybe he didn't volunteer for the Vietnam war or somewhere, which would be not much protection anyway, as except terrorist attacks nobody will significantly attack a nuclear superpower.

    someone chooses to move away and settle elsewhere they lose their original citizenship
     
    In Russia (and I will therefore assume Ukraine), there is no loss of original citizenship, a government doesn't even record who has exited the country. The system is designed precisely this way. This is the postsoviet system - its raison d'être is to allow the upper class to move money and resources out and into the country.

    Donbas damage and killings after the first few weeks is the result of Russia sending arms and volunteers.. to Syria by the USA, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia
     
    You mean giving weapons and arms for local people to protect themselves from the government? This is part of intervention in Donbass which was arguable could be justifiable, even if it created those corrupt gangster republics.

    Putin is now the world’s number one killer of Slavs.
     
    Fashion for killing of slavic civilians in the postsoviet space, was already a policy with Yeltsin.
    https://i.imgur.com/DjGXGyk.jpg
  900. AP says:
    @RadicalCenter
    @LatW

    Ukrainian is sufficiently distinct to be a separate language rather than just a dialect of Russian, but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarussian than to Polish or any other language:

    Here’s a useful video from Canadian linguist Paul Jorgensen about Russian and Ukrainian:
    https://youtu.be/CQLM62r5nLI

    Here’s one from EcoLinguist where Poles, Slovaks and Russians try to understand Ukrainian:
    https://youtu.be/e_IZkB2fg-w

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    but Ukrainian is certainly closer to Russian/Belarussian than to Polish or any other language:

    No.

    It is closest to Belarussian but is equidistant to Polish as to Russian. The simple version is that its grammar and pronunciation are closer to Russian but it’s vocabulary is closer to Polish. A Ukrainian familiar with neither the Russian nor the Polish languages would understand either one equally well (or poorly) but would struggle in different ways.

  901. AP says:
    @RadicalCenter
    @Beckow

    Won’t be many people in the ukraine or in the world who can read those ukrainian poems, as people living the Russian borderland (“ukraine”), whether Russian- and/or Ukrainian-speaking don’t have many children. “Ukrainians” are a rapidly aging, dwindling, dying people.

    Since Russian and Ukrainian are so close, however, at least the Russian-speakers in the world will be able to make out what those delusional “ukrainian” poets have written about their “heroes.”

    Replies: @AP

    Ukrainians” are a rapidly aging, dwindling, dying people.

    They are about the same as other Europeans. The difference is that they haven’t allowed their homeland to get settled by lots of non-Europeans, as Western Europeans and Americans have done.

    Since Russian and Ukrainian are so close, however, at least the Russian-speakers in the world will be able to make out

    No, they aren’t close enough for that. Did a mischievous Russian teach you that “fact?”

  902. @Barbarossa
    @iffen

    Hah! Now you've gotten me curious as to the offending sentiment that pushed me back over the edge. Care to share since expiring mind need to know?

    Replies: @iffen

    This comment (was) for utu and his comment 881. When I posted it I immediately got a duplicate message notice which didn’t make sense and then a message saying it was in moderation.

  903. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Well, animals are individuals and I happen to have gem of a cow now. Our previous Jersey was much more feisty and tended to kick the bucket over more and be somewhat more PITA. Also, I get along with the cows quite well, they are better behaved for me than my wife. Our other cow didn't like to be led by my wife or let down her milk. All I would have to do is yell "Oy, cow!" into the pasture and she would come trotting up.

    The lack of taste difference you noticed was probably due to her being a Holstein. They are big animals geared toward low cream/ high volume. They are not a great choice for a home dairy since they put out rather overwhelming quantities of mediocre milk. Also boiling the milk will greatly decrease the flavor since it is hard to not over pasteurize it at home.

    Personally, I would much prefer handling a cow to a couple goats since goats are hellions looking to do Satan's work on Earth. You never have to wonder if you are going to come home to find your cow on your roof. Not so with goats.

    Also, goat's milk comes homogenized which means there is no cream. That is sad, although can be a bonus if one is troubled intestinally by cow's milk.

    YellowfaceAnon is correct. You go on long trips when your cow is dried off. It is possible to have people milk, but it's not really ideal unless you are really on the same page.
    This is actually kind of a feature since it forces you to focus more on revolving your life around home. Being able to be gone can become it's own kind of a curse to a point. It's too easy to dilute one's attention and time to the point where one is truly nowhere and the whole point of homesteading is be all in on one particular place.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Also, I get along with the cows quite well, they are better behaved for me than my wife.

    I like this ambiguity here. : )

  904. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    You're right, I can't prove that Orwell is right, I only say that I personally find his observations credible, especially since I'm putting it together with similar facts from other eras.

    I want to reiterate that Orwell himself thought that the First World War killed off these impressive physiques, and it is only *I* who suggest it is diet.

    But I can't prove it - it is no more than a hypothesis that together with other facts I find compelling, but each is free to make up his own mind.

    Fair enough, I did you an injustice :) Your view of the soul is considerably less cold and alienated than the complete modern denial of anything but the body, but it still falls short of what I believe can be a much more beautiful attitude towards the world.

    Descartes view has significant differences with traditional religious views of the soul that puts him directly in the line of development towards the "mechanistic" view of life and reality embraced by modernity - not for nothing is Descartes considered to be the father of modern philosophy, and his revolting attitude towards animals surely can't be completely unrelated to his philosophy as a whole.

    I recently read a very interesting discussion of this in detail, but I don't remember the details. I will try and find it for you.

    Organization certainly plays an important role in combat, but it makes no sense to undeplay physical stamina, strength, and morale, which are hugely important, and on which diet has a significant effect. Especially in pre-modern combat, and the Swiss were renounced fighters from the 15th century.

    So I can't agree with you here. I think you are committing the typical "mechanistic fallacy", which in the light of Ukraine's spirited fight against the "modernized" juggernaut of Russia's military should provide a particularly vivid and memorable contemporary refutation (and there are countless from history).


    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.
     
    Yes, and we have much to learn from them!

    Although I wouldn't necessarily conflate longevity with vitality, and one may choose greater vitality over longevity.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Dmitry

    Apparently, Descartes reported that he once looked out the window, and he saw all the people out there as mechanical machines devoid of life.

    His philosophy has been summarized as the desire to be detached from life and not engage with it emotionally, but to be a spectator who brings the world before his eyes as “representation”.

    To not “affectively” engage with the world, but to bring it before you as mere representation, means to “objectify” the world – abstract representations is necessary to master the world technologically and dominate it.

    The problem is, that when this is your dominant mode of approaching the world, your own self and the selves of others become mere mechanical objects. They do not escape this cognitive net.

    Consequently, Descartes said he could not be sure he truly had a body, but he only thought so intellectually, and that he saw no connection between hunger, pain, and other sensations, and the desire to eat or the feeling of distress.

    In other words, Descartes doubted the existence of others, the existence of his own body, and the existence of his emotions – he offered a view of existence as devitalized and mechanical.

    This was a major milestone towards the modern mechanization of the world and life, and away from the traditional and pre-modern idea that everything is “ensouled” and alive.

    Not for nothing is Descartes considered one of the fathers of modern thought.

    This is the result of the hypertrophy of the rational faculty, which ends in delusion and utter disconnection from concrete reality and life.

    It is time our global civilization recognizes this was a step into madness, and return to reality and life.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @AaronB

    And this Descartian philosophy leads clearly to modern contemporaries like Daniel Chieh calling human beings "meat sacs", and to the transhumanist belief that being a mechanical device is infinitely preferable to glowing, feeling, biological life.

    It is a form of madness - utter disconnection from actual, concrete reality and the retreat into abstract representation, where one is utterly disconnected from the sources of vitality.

    Transhumanism is an extreme version of this vision, but all of modern life suffers from it.

    Next time someone wonders why modern white people seem so "devitalized", one can find the reasons in the very origin of modern Western philosophy, which has gradually spread it's net over life in the West.

    The two "types" seemingly produced by the modern West today, is the "devitalized" type and the paranoiac who sees encoded ominous meanings and threats everywhere (Woke, of course, but also increasingly the right wing response) - and both have the same root, a mechanical and hyper-rational approach to life, the ultimate bedrock of modernity.

    , @utu
    @AaronB


    https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/descartes/

    In his 1644 Principles of Philosophy, Descartes identified freedom with actions that are not pre-determined, even by the existence of divine foreknowledge.

    37. The supreme perfection of man is that he acts freely or voluntarily, and it is this which makes him deserve praise or blame.

    39. The freedom of the will is self-evident.

    40. It is also certain that everything was preordained by God.

    41. How to reconcile the freedom of our will with divine preordination.
     
    , @Barbarossa
    @AaronB


    Descartes reported that he once looked out the window, and he saw all the people out there as mechanical machines devoid of life.
     
    It sounds as though Descartes was a bit the psychopath, huh? But I suppose that in my view modern society is often psychopathic and anti-human in it's construction. I guess this would feed back into your idea of physical sickness sometimes also being spiritual.

    Modern society is spiritually devoid and anti-human which exhibits in massive crippling mental health problems. The sickness is a spiritual one but is none the less physically manifested.
  905. @AaronB
    @AaronB

    Apparently, Descartes reported that he once looked out the window, and he saw all the people out there as mechanical machines devoid of life.

    His philosophy has been summarized as the desire to be detached from life and not engage with it emotionally, but to be a spectator who brings the world before his eyes as "representation".

    To not "affectively" engage with the world, but to bring it before you as mere representation, means to "objectify" the world - abstract representations is necessary to master the world technologically and dominate it.

    The problem is, that when this is your dominant mode of approaching the world, your own self and the selves of others become mere mechanical objects. They do not escape this cognitive net.

    Consequently, Descartes said he could not be sure he truly had a body, but he only thought so intellectually, and that he saw no connection between hunger, pain, and other sensations, and the desire to eat or the feeling of distress.

    In other words, Descartes doubted the existence of others, the existence of his own body, and the existence of his emotions - he offered a view of existence as devitalized and mechanical.

    This was a major milestone towards the modern mechanization of the world and life, and away from the traditional and pre-modern idea that everything is "ensouled" and alive.

    Not for nothing is Descartes considered one of the fathers of modern thought.

    This is the result of the hypertrophy of the rational faculty, which ends in delusion and utter disconnection from concrete reality and life.

    It is time our global civilization recognizes this was a step into madness, and return to reality and life.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @Barbarossa

    And this Descartian philosophy leads clearly to modern contemporaries like Daniel Chieh calling human beings “meat sacs”, and to the transhumanist belief that being a mechanical device is infinitely preferable to glowing, feeling, biological life.

    It is a form of madness – utter disconnection from actual, concrete reality and the retreat into abstract representation, where one is utterly disconnected from the sources of vitality.

    Transhumanism is an extreme version of this vision, but all of modern life suffers from it.

    Next time someone wonders why modern white people seem so “devitalized”, one can find the reasons in the very origin of modern Western philosophy, which has gradually spread it’s net over life in the West.

    The two “types” seemingly produced by the modern West today, is the “devitalized” type and the paranoiac who sees encoded ominous meanings and threats everywhere (Woke, of course, but also increasingly the right wing response) – and both have the same root, a mechanical and hyper-rational approach to life, the ultimate bedrock of modernity.

  906. Russia’s Wannsee doc describing the final solution for the Ukrainian nation. Published on the state news agency website to legitimize the violence against civilians. “Nazi” in this context means “the Ukrainian nation”.

    Just because there is no place for woke in today’s Europe, doesn’t mean there is a place for this.

    https://ccl.org.ua/en/news/ria-novosti-has-clarified-russias-plans-vis-a-vis-ukraine-and-the-rest-of-the-free-world-in-a-program-like-article-what-russia-should-do-with-ukraine-2/

    They are doing a lot of harm, but this plan is probably too ambitious and would require immense resources. This is for those who believe that Russia “doesn’t want all of Ukraine”.

    Very reminiscent of the 1940s… including their looting. Intercepted calls from Russian soldiers telling their wives and girlfriends about how much money, jewelry, food they’ve stolen. Mentioning that ice cream and juice is higher quality in Ukraine. One stole enough money to buy an apartment. Wives are encouraging to steal: “Take everything”. This is looting out of houses where Ukrainians have been killed or raped. ENG subtitles.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  907. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I find funeral homes, embalming, concrete vaults etc. very grotesque personally. I agree that it seems materialistic, wasteful, and also disconnected from the reality of death and life itself. It's very strange.

    That is not to say that I don't want my earthly shell handled with some dignity, but I'm also not squeamish about being food for the microbes.

    My own parents just spent 18k on an all included funeral arrangement, which is very thoughtful of them but makes me wince a bit at the needless expenses.

    Personally, I already know where on my property I'll be buried so that is taken care of. I'll make my own coffin, so there is that, although my wife just wants a shroud as she thinks a pine box is a bit much. I work with wood, so I have my little vanities!

    Otherwise, I would like to splurge on a hand-carved gravestone made out of some good slate. It would be fun to think of someone coming across it in a couple hundred years.

    Otherwise I want my money spent on a big blowout bash of a funeral with all the greatest food, drink, and merriment possible. I'll be offended if everyone hangs around with long faces. Maybe I'll threaten to haunt them for that too. The big party won't really cost that much in the grand scheme of things so my kids can have all the money I save and do something productive with it.

    I'm dead (hah hah) serious about expecting my kids to dig the hole. It seems therapeutic to do some back-breaking labor while grieving. Plus they'll end up laughing about it since their Dad would expect them to do some damn fool thing like that.

    I think that strikes a nice balance overall. Respectful and meaningful without being prissy and pretentious. Hopefully I'll give everyone one more great memory as I shed this earthly coil.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    @RSDB

    I think Ronny Drew had a better voice than Luke Kelly. Probably, not many would agree with me.

  908. utu says:
    @AaronB
    @AaronB

    Apparently, Descartes reported that he once looked out the window, and he saw all the people out there as mechanical machines devoid of life.

    His philosophy has been summarized as the desire to be detached from life and not engage with it emotionally, but to be a spectator who brings the world before his eyes as "representation".

    To not "affectively" engage with the world, but to bring it before you as mere representation, means to "objectify" the world - abstract representations is necessary to master the world technologically and dominate it.

    The problem is, that when this is your dominant mode of approaching the world, your own self and the selves of others become mere mechanical objects. They do not escape this cognitive net.

    Consequently, Descartes said he could not be sure he truly had a body, but he only thought so intellectually, and that he saw no connection between hunger, pain, and other sensations, and the desire to eat or the feeling of distress.

    In other words, Descartes doubted the existence of others, the existence of his own body, and the existence of his emotions - he offered a view of existence as devitalized and mechanical.

    This was a major milestone towards the modern mechanization of the world and life, and away from the traditional and pre-modern idea that everything is "ensouled" and alive.

    Not for nothing is Descartes considered one of the fathers of modern thought.

    This is the result of the hypertrophy of the rational faculty, which ends in delusion and utter disconnection from concrete reality and life.

    It is time our global civilization recognizes this was a step into madness, and return to reality and life.

    Replies: @AaronB, @utu, @Barbarossa

    https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/descartes/

    In his 1644 Principles of Philosophy, Descartes identified freedom with actions that are not pre-determined, even by the existence of divine foreknowledge.

    37. The supreme perfection of man is that he acts freely or voluntarily, and it is this which makes him deserve praise or blame.

    39. The freedom of the will is self-evident.

    40. It is also certain that everything was preordained by God.

    41. How to reconcile the freedom of our will with divine preordination.

    • Thanks: AaronB
  909. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    You're right, I can't prove that Orwell is right, I only say that I personally find his observations credible, especially since I'm putting it together with similar facts from other eras.

    I want to reiterate that Orwell himself thought that the First World War killed off these impressive physiques, and it is only *I* who suggest it is diet.

    But I can't prove it - it is no more than a hypothesis that together with other facts I find compelling, but each is free to make up his own mind.

    Fair enough, I did you an injustice :) Your view of the soul is considerably less cold and alienated than the complete modern denial of anything but the body, but it still falls short of what I believe can be a much more beautiful attitude towards the world.

    Descartes view has significant differences with traditional religious views of the soul that puts him directly in the line of development towards the "mechanistic" view of life and reality embraced by modernity - not for nothing is Descartes considered to be the father of modern philosophy, and his revolting attitude towards animals surely can't be completely unrelated to his philosophy as a whole.

    I recently read a very interesting discussion of this in detail, but I don't remember the details. I will try and find it for you.

    Organization certainly plays an important role in combat, but it makes no sense to undeplay physical stamina, strength, and morale, which are hugely important, and on which diet has a significant effect. Especially in pre-modern combat, and the Swiss were renounced fighters from the 15th century.

    So I can't agree with you here. I think you are committing the typical "mechanistic fallacy", which in the light of Ukraine's spirited fight against the "modernized" juggernaut of Russia's military should provide a particularly vivid and memorable contemporary refutation (and there are countless from history).


    Those regions with unexpectedly high life expectancy (Sardinia, Okinawa), had those lower calorie traditional (pre-industrial) peasant diet and lifestyle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to9rhIwWJg.
     
    Yes, and we have much to learn from them!

    Although I wouldn't necessarily conflate longevity with vitality, and one may choose greater vitality over longevity.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Dmitry

    Orwell .. killed off these impressive physique

    We don’t know if “physique declines”, just because Orwell says he thought he saw less people with such physique (although it would be interesting to read the article?).

    If it was true, it could be that he sees a different sample. There could be a filter which allows more “unhealthy looking” people to survive to be adults (which we know is true, as infant mortality falls). There could be change of lifestyle or diet.

    But we know that the more “unhealthy looking” people would survive to be adults in this time, from the infant mortality fall. So, that would be a hypothesis that has perhaps some evidence.

    view of the soul is considerably less cold and alienated than the complete modern denial of anything but the bod

    I guess it depends on the context, but for historians “modern” refers to 1500-

    This belief body = person, is mainstream in the academic view at least in the middle 20th century.

    But since the late 20th century, the mainstream view has moved more to accepting consciousness is not so “easy” yet to understand with current knowledge.

    Descartes view has significant differences with traditional religious views of the soul

    I think it is consistent still with Judeo-Christian-Islamic views of 17th century, not something inconsistent with what he might have learned in Jesuit school.

    fight against the “modernized” juggernaut of Russia’s military

    I don’t think anyone can consider it modernized to 21st century standards, but perhaps “modernized” if this is defined with low entry standards. Like early 1980s level of “modernization” and with second world organization standards.

    Descartes said he could not be sure he truly had a body, but he only thought so intellectually, and that he saw no connection

    He accepted existence of an external world, based on faith in a benevolent god. Isn’t it considered the weaker step in his arguments?

    he offered a view of existence as devitalized and mechanical.

    He offered skeptical arguments and then argues against them, with ontological argument, then a step in argument based in faith about the attitude of god.

    His skeptical argument goes less than in Buddhism, as he does not argument against his own existence or unitary soul.

    philosophy has been summarized as the desire to be detached from life and not engage with it emotionally, but to be a spectator w

    I don’t believe this is exactly his summary.

    Usually he is viewed as “rationalism” in contradiction to “empiricism”. He believes you can access knowledge of the world through reason and closing your eyes.

    Contrast is usually with “empiricism”, where knowledge of world requires opening your eyes and studying the sensations created by the external world. Scientific revolution was usually seen more consistent with “empiricism” worldview.

    In terms of personality of Descartes, he liked to sleep a lot and also just to lie on the bed thinking. His friends were very angry, because he was not staying in bed in the morning.

    Queen Christina of Sweden invites him to teach her. She says he has to wake at 5am for morning class in winter. He died some weeks later of pneumonia.

    selves of others become mere mechanical objects.

    Descartes does not say people are mechanical objects. He believes the person is the soul, which is connected to a mechanical object (body).

    So, human bodies are just a mechanical machine. But there is an immaterial soul connected to the machine by pituitary gland towards the base of the brain.

    A difficult area of his theory, was to explain that immaterial souls can interface with this material world. Soul is immaterial, then how can it cause changes to material?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Orwell wasn't describing simply a change in the ratio of impressive to unimpressive physiques - he was describing a change in absolute terms. He simply no longer saw much of the type of person that was abundant in childhood.

    Also, the major change in modern medicine that increased the survival rate was antibiotics, which was invented after Orwell's time. Orwell died just before they discovered the cure for tuberculosis.

    If anything, the lack of antibiotics should have led to a culling of the more fragile types and the disproportionate survival of the robust and fit - which means the unimpressive people Orwell was seeing were the robust and fit.

    We know diet has a significant effect on height and physical robustness. Napoleon's soldiers were shrimps, and the Dutch, who are now the tallest people with the most impressive physiques in Europe (the true Aryan dream lol :) ) , were once one of the shortest.

    I'll see if I can find the essay for you. Hat tip Dmitry - Orwell's essays are generally the most fascinating things he wrote, better than the novels, and are a mine of observations and insights, not just historical, but into human nature and sociology and life in general. Get them if you can.

    Orwell was not it seems to me primarily an artist, but he was a highly original and perceptive observer - and highly entertaining!

    As for Descartes -

    In a sense, Descartes kept the medieval framework of soul+body but reversed it.

    In all previous animist culture, things were "ensouled" and "animated", even so called inanimate objects, much more biological life.

    In this scheme, it was not possible to view animals as automatons or other humans as mechanical devices, even rocks and trees were considered ensouled. One couldn't exploit the world, it was alive, sacred.

    Descartes created a radical seperation between mind and matter - but since we perceive other people, animals, and everything outside through the medium of physical matter, everyone and everything we perceive now becomes a dead mechanical device potentially.

    Crucially - including our own bodies.

    Traditional animism (which was the basis of the medieval world view) made the world "alive" - Descartes made it "dead"..

    Descartes tried to "save the appearances" by positing a benevolent God, sure, but he created a conceptual framework that for the first time encouraged seeing humans and the world in general primarily as a mechanical device.

    This was a milestone in the development of the modern world, whose defining "myth" - and it is a myth in the sense not only that it can't be proven but that it symbolically guides our understanding of reality - is that the world and people are a mechanical device, which is responsible for all the alienation and anomie of modern times.

    Ultimately, the modern West went further than Descartes and simply ditched the "soul" and kept the idea of the "world as a mechanical device" - but we could not have gotten there without Descartes.

    Today, as you correctly note, we are gradually emerging from this collective nightmare and finding that consciousness and life cannot be reduced to a mechanical device - it is far more mysterious and embedded.

    But the "rationalist" school of philosophy may have been a form of insanity and radical disconnection from reality - extreme hyper-rationality leads to conditions like schizophrenia.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  910. @Mikel
    @utu

    Thanks for spending so much time trying to analyze the depths of my personality. Contrary to TL's psycho-babble, your efforts to denigrate people you disagree with are explicit and crass, to the point that you've ended up revealing much more about your own mind that mine.

    But this is all so deja-vu for me. An old friend of mine was killed by a separatist bullet to his head and a separatist cousin of mine died in a Spanish prison. I know all there is to know about people being unable to concieve that you refuse to take sides in a war and even question the very need of that war.

    It's just a bit surprising that these ancient dynamics also take place when we're talking about the real possibility of a nuclear war but perhaps there's nothing to be surprised about. Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities, why would the online warriors be any better?

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @PhysicistDave

    Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities..

    The problem here is that Ukrainian soldiers are trying to stop an act of aggression against their homeland, but the Russian soldiers are shooting, raping and torturing women, children & men on foreign soil (on which they have found themselves illegally). They have literally walked into somebody’s house to commit atrocities. Ukrainian soldiers are not on Russian soil and are not murdering and raping Russian civilians. Do not try to equalize these things, do not try to make it sound as if they are both “equally bad”, this is a crucial distinction.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @LatW


    They have literally walked into somebody’s house to commit atrocities. Ukrainian soldiers are not on Russian soil and are not murdering and raping Russian civilians. Do not try to equalize these things, do not try to make it sound as if they are both “equally bad”, this is a crucial distinction.
     
    On a broader level of course you're right.
    But at the individual level (where these things become more abstract), the average Russian soldier is some conscript, probably drafted from мухосранск shithole and coming from lower strata of society, being sent for 'manouvers' to find himself invading another country.
    This isn't to mitigate dozens of awful things that have happened already, but I doubt Russia is a nation of Karlins (oh, except Russia doesn't need him, it has more eager war-volunteers than it can use... right) who enlisted because they wanted to rape and pillage.

    It's like you're delibarately missing Mikel's point about the Basque separatist and the person shot by separatists (ETA, I guess, though perhaps there are others) were also just people he knew, politics aside.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mikel
    @LatW


    They have literally walked into somebody’s house to commit atrocities.
     
    That sounds too similar to Donbass rebels vowing to expel Ukrainian invaders from their land not to notice the irony.

    do not try to make it sound as if they are both “equally bad”, this is a crucial distinction.
     

    I think that you're saying that atrocities committed for a good cause are not as bad as atrocities committed for a bad cause.

    I understand your feeling but I don't think that's a very useful way of framing a discussion on atrocities. The last time I saw my old friend alive was the day I bought my daughter her first computer. We were having some problem setting it up and she called him. She was very good friends with his step daughter. He was already in bed but he woke up and came to us to help. A very nice guy. Some months later he was killed. ETA's communique claiming the action accussed him of being an "anti-Basque" element because he was a militant of a centralist party with headquarters in Madrid. That was the sin that took him to his grave.

    Now, I think that fighting for the independence of the Basque Country is a good cause. Definitely much better than fighting to keep a distinct people under the heel of Madrid or Paris against that people's will. But my friend should not have been assassinated. And his murderers should have been arrested and taken to court, as eventually they were. Not surprisingly, I knew some of their families as well. Basically, small town rabble poisoned by decades of hate towards the inferior Spaniards (we don't have katsapy but we do have maketok, which amounts to the same concept).

    It doesn't really matter what cause the kind of people that commit atrocities claim to espouse. They are mentally damaged individuals. If they hadn't found a meaning to their lives "fighting" for that cause, they would equally spend their time dedicated to some other debased activity. Just look at the face of that Georgian volunteer after killing a defenseless soldier on the ground.

    Replies: @LatW

  911. @RSDB
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qstUxos2cBs

    Replies: @songbird

    I think Ronny Drew had a better voice than Luke Kelly. Probably, not many would agree with me.

  912. @AaronB
    As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living, I have recently begun consuming raw milk and raw dairy items (unpasteurized).

    Annoyingly, our nanny state government makes the purchase of raw milk from stores illegal. This means that we sad Americans have long been denied the full glory of true Normandy Brie and Camambert cheese, which is properly made from raw milk for full deliciousness.

    But raw milk is supposed to contain lots of brobiotics and bacteria that hugely promote health. But of course New Yorkers are nothing if not resourceful, and through a complicated legal loophole one can easily obtain raw milk by joining a co-op that gives you "ownership" of the farms for a negligible fee.

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly. The milk is amazing! At 6.3% fat it's higher in fat than regular whole milk in America, which is 4%, and is sweeter and fresher than any milk I have tasted.

    The raw cream is unbelievably thick and good! I eat it with blueberries or strawberries, much as I imagine fresh faced Alpine peasants to have done in times of yore :)

    With each heady draught of this divine elixir, I feel strength and vitality building in my limbs. If I don't die soon, I will let you all know how it goes :)

    But mostly, I do not do this for health, but I am doing this primarily for spiritual reasons - by consuming highly processed and unnatural products, I am implicitly affirming a world view that I no longer wish to affirm.

    In Indian Buddhism and I believe Hindu culture in general, milk and dairy have a special status of excellence and nobility as foods - I beginning to see why!

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Colin Wright, @silviosilver

    As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly.

    I’m with you bro. Nothing says natural living like having milk and cream delivered to your doorstep weekly. You just click on “Proceed to Payment” and presto, it’s there before you know it – just the way the first pastoralists did it untold thousands of years ago.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @silviosilver

    There is a valid point there. As I said a bit back, I think it can be a benefit that some are willing to pay the big bucks to enable others to farm with consideration.

    However, I think that AaronB will inhabit a bit of a "tourist mentality" toward the spiritual/ natural life he aspires to until he commits to it more concretely. To gain the full potential one has to let other parts of life fall away a bit and some sacrifice is necessary.

    To be honest, there are times when living a more "natural life close to the land" is uncomfortable, inconvenient, heartbreaking, and just plain sucks. Mostly it's just good and sometimes transcendent. However, one doesn't feel the full depths of the highs without having also experienced the crushing lows.

    This is not necessarily intended as a criticism of AaronB since I think he has many correct ideals, but it would seems that he is currently living a "best of both world's" life. This is fine and may be the most pleasant way to go about it, but probably is less conducive to the holistic spiritual path of growth and understanding he aspires to.

    Replies: @utu, @AaronB, @Dmitry

  913. @Mikel
    @utu

    Thanks for spending so much time trying to analyze the depths of my personality. Contrary to TL's psycho-babble, your efforts to denigrate people you disagree with are explicit and crass, to the point that you've ended up revealing much more about your own mind that mine.

    But this is all so deja-vu for me. An old friend of mine was killed by a separatist bullet to his head and a separatist cousin of mine died in a Spanish prison. I know all there is to know about people being unable to concieve that you refuse to take sides in a war and even question the very need of that war.

    It's just a bit surprising that these ancient dynamics also take place when we're talking about the real possibility of a nuclear war but perhaps there's nothing to be surprised about. Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities, why would the online warriors be any better?

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @PhysicistDave

    Thanks for spending so much time trying to analyze the depths of my personality. Contrary to TL’s psycho-babble, your efforts to denigrate people you disagree with are explicit and crass, to the point that you’ve ended up revealing much more about your own mind that mine.

    Well of course. Does he sound like a happy person to you?
    If was to conduct my own stupid armchair analysis, I suspect he was a professor or technical manager of some kind, and so spent a large amount of his professional life constantly having to confront or mitigate incompetence, laziness and flawed systems of thinking. Now, I think higher career echelons are actually much more depressing in this respect of being constantly reminded of people’s limitations, just picture your feelings when marking shoddy-but-passable work from a PHD candidate rather than a highschool student. The sense of frustration, dissapointment, or in rare cases even intellectual disgust, becomes much higher when dealing with faulty mental processes of well-educated (not that unz.com has so many of these) ‘nitwits’, than the simple convictions from the man on the street.

    Now imagine, whilst continuing to work within such an environment, but moving from Eastern Europe where blunt, even brutal honesty is the norm, at least in regard to dealing with subordinates or peers, to going to an Anglo one like America, where direct personal confrontation is avoided at all costs, and people do everything with fake smiles and phoney expressions of interest about your wellbeing. There’s a Russian-Jewish acquaintance of mine, from many years, who I’ve noticed has gradually been driven insane by dealing with this system, I think every year he gets crankier and more and more bitter, since contemporary Anglo culture of emotional mollycoddling (and it seems, still exponentionally growing) seriously gets in the way of him doing his job properly. Ask him in private the right question and he practically explodes with expressions of contempt, but unfortunately, returning to Russia at this stage is obviously no solution at all, and there’s little room for him to go higher.
    utu strikes me as not a disimilar personality to that character, although that’s entirely idle speculation. Also, on the depressing subject of human mental limitations, I was reminded of this essay from one of my favourite writers, David Stove.

    https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/wrongthoughts.html

    But this is all so deja-vu for me. An old friend of mine was killed by a separatist bullet to his head and a separatist cousin of mine died in a Spanish prison. I know all there is to know about people being unable to concieve that you refuse to take sides in a war and even question the very need of that war.

    Yes. I can understand the Ukrainian or Russian commenters here losing perspective, but then you have people with no direct connection to the region wanting to escalate this war to some sort of promethean crusade against Russia (starting with overthrowing Lukashenko.. like that would improve anything), or disaffected Westerners still convincing themselves Putin is some kind of conservative saviour of the white race.
    Regarding Biden’s ‘cowardice’ in not invoking MAD (wow, nothing to unpack there), the obvious answer, even from a hardline neocon standpoint, is I think the US is actually in a pretty good position doing near-nothing at this stage. Earlier on I wouldn’t have said it, but with Russian troops performing so below expectations (again, look at the tone in Russian media aimed at actual Russians, not gullible foreigners), and the Ukrainian army obviously having received a huge amount of unpublicised recent American support to revamp since 2014. Now its imperative on Putin to escalate the war from here to salvage Russian credibility, but given how badly respective strength of forces were miscalculated, its still going to take a bloodbath to subjugate the country properly.. and with no such thing as a ‘clean war’, and America dominating the world media, Russia can’t come out of this anything but absolutely awfully.

    I just wonder how long Ukraine can keep tar-pitting Russia for now. Just a wholly avoidable disaster that I don’t want to follow closely anymore.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Yevardian

    Incredibly, some people have already forgotten that this is now Karlin's renegade's blog. AK disassociated from us in a fit of rage because basically all of us here were disgusted with his triunist war of aggression.

    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin's puppets :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend

  914. @LatW
    @Mikel


    Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities..
     
    The problem here is that Ukrainian soldiers are trying to stop an act of aggression against their homeland, but the Russian soldiers are shooting, raping and torturing women, children & men on foreign soil (on which they have found themselves illegally). They have literally walked into somebody's house to commit atrocities. Ukrainian soldiers are not on Russian soil and are not murdering and raping Russian civilians. Do not try to equalize these things, do not try to make it sound as if they are both "equally bad", this is a crucial distinction.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mikel

    They have literally walked into somebody’s house to commit atrocities. Ukrainian soldiers are not on Russian soil and are not murdering and raping Russian civilians. Do not try to equalize these things, do not try to make it sound as if they are both “equally bad”, this is a crucial distinction.

    On a broader level of course you’re right.
    But at the individual level (where these things become more abstract), the average Russian soldier is some conscript, probably drafted from мухосранск shithole and coming from lower strata of society, being sent for ‘manouvers’ to find himself invading another country.
    This isn’t to mitigate dozens of awful things that have happened already, but I doubt Russia is a nation of Karlins (oh, except Russia doesn’t need him, it has more eager war-volunteers than it can use… right) who enlisted because they wanted to rape and pillage.

    It’s like you’re delibarately missing Mikel’s point about the Basque separatist and the person shot by separatists (ETA, I guess, though perhaps there are others) were also just people he knew, politics aside.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Yevardian


    On a broader level of course you’re right.
    But at the individual level
     
    No, they signed the contract, I understand that they were expecting that there would be peace and they'd do nothing more than training, but they knew they were crossing into another country. Please, listen to the tone of the video I posted with their looting convos. This is a tone of impunity, completely normalizing walking into somebody's home, killing or raping them and then stealing their TV and drinking their expensive booze.

    the average Russian soldier is some conscript, coming from lower strata of society,
     
    Of course, it's obvious that this is the lower strata. But don't pretend you're not seeing the 80% of the nation hooting and hollering, demanding them to kill Ukrainians. This is the so called "mochit' v sortire" stage, sorry for the language. Just like back with Chechnya, the first war was depressing and the Russian soldier deaths had a major chilling effect, but the second stage is when Putin became ruthless. The Russian public is angry that the Ukrainians fought back successfully, that so many Russian soldiers got killed, they're calling for revenge now. They will be beaten back.
  915. @Yevardian
    @LatW


    They have literally walked into somebody’s house to commit atrocities. Ukrainian soldiers are not on Russian soil and are not murdering and raping Russian civilians. Do not try to equalize these things, do not try to make it sound as if they are both “equally bad”, this is a crucial distinction.
     
    On a broader level of course you're right.
    But at the individual level (where these things become more abstract), the average Russian soldier is some conscript, probably drafted from мухосранск shithole and coming from lower strata of society, being sent for 'manouvers' to find himself invading another country.
    This isn't to mitigate dozens of awful things that have happened already, but I doubt Russia is a nation of Karlins (oh, except Russia doesn't need him, it has more eager war-volunteers than it can use... right) who enlisted because they wanted to rape and pillage.

    It's like you're delibarately missing Mikel's point about the Basque separatist and the person shot by separatists (ETA, I guess, though perhaps there are others) were also just people he knew, politics aside.

    Replies: @LatW

    On a broader level of course you’re right.
    But at the individual level

    No, they signed the contract, I understand that they were expecting that there would be peace and they’d do nothing more than training, but they knew they were crossing into another country. Please, listen to the tone of the video I posted with their looting convos. This is a tone of impunity, completely normalizing walking into somebody’s home, killing or raping them and then stealing their TV and drinking their expensive booze.

    the average Russian soldier is some conscript, coming from lower strata of society,

    Of course, it’s obvious that this is the lower strata. But don’t pretend you’re not seeing the 80% of the nation hooting and hollering, demanding them to kill Ukrainians. This is the so called “mochit’ v sortire” stage, sorry for the language. Just like back with Chechnya, the first war was depressing and the Russian soldier deaths had a major chilling effect, but the second stage is when Putin became ruthless. The Russian public is angry that the Ukrainians fought back successfully, that so many Russian soldiers got killed, they’re calling for revenge now. They will be beaten back.

  916. @AP
    @Europe Europa

    The languages are much further from each other than Serbian is from Croatian and anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or has gullibly believed liars.

    They are about as distant as German is from Dutch. Ukraine has a more complex grammar and is more “archaic” so in terms of language itself it would be the German in this analogy, although in terms of population size it would be like Dutch.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    They are about as distant as German is from Dutch. Ukraine has a more complex grammar and is more “archaic”

    Just curious, it what respects? I barely know any Ukrainian, but I know it has the a synthetic-future conjugation, unlike any other Slavic language, but that’s an innovative feature, not an archaism. And Ukrainian shares with Russian the lack of copula, which every other Slavic language has.

    To have more complex grammar than Russian isn’t exactly a mean feat, I think only Polish (I find it funny that even Russians find Polish to be a tongue-twister) compares to it, from all surviving Indo-European languages. Well, perhaps Baltic languages still retain conjugations and morphology long lost by all the others, but I just don’t know anything about them. Transitional/borderland languages with heavy outside influence/borrowing (English, Persian) usually have less complex grammar. Perhaps Czech (I don’t know any) could be another exception in being a highly complex border-tongue, though it seems German influence had much less influence on Czech than Hungarian did on its gramatically much simpler Slovak neighbor.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Yevardian

    Ukrainian has retained the vocative case that in Russian only exists in certain expressions such as “Bozhe moy” (“my God!”). A new one has sort of formed in Russian by cutting off the last syllable.

    Ukrainian has retained the old Slavic names for all of the months and various archaic words as ptashka for bird that Russians can understand but don’t use.

    I pasted a lengthy comment by someone from another forum but can’t search for it in my phone and will repaste.

    , @AP
    @Yevardian

    Here is the quote:

    "“…modern Russian, from the historic perspective, is a very young and largely artificially created language, a sort of Esperanto; and it hasn’t had enough time, unlike Ukrainian, to develop the variety of linguistic forms and shortcuts that emerge only when a language is used naturally and for a long period of time by common people communicating with one another daily , rather than via being concocted in an ivory tower. As a result, there’re thousands of Ukrainian shortcut adverbs (e.g.: торік, чимдуж, etc.) that can be expressed in Russian only by using a combination of three separate words. Likewise, Ukrainian has three single-word superlative degrees, while Russian has only one…Ukrainian has single-word forms of Future Imperfect (e.g. матиму, матимемо, матимеш, матиме, матимуть) completely absent from Russian. Ukrainian has the Plus Quam Perfectum tense (e.g. він почав був читати, та його зупинили); Russian doesn’t. And the list goes on and on.

    Another example: “the single-word Future Imperfect (майбутній час недоконаного виду) that is absent from Russian where it can be formed only with the Future form of the auxiliary verb “to be”. E.g. “We will live” in Russian can be formed only as “Мы будем жить”, whereas in Ukrainian, both as “Ми житимемо” (one word for “will live”) and “Ми будемо жити” (“to be” in the Future + Infinitive). Another tense Russian doesn’t have is Plus Quam Perfectum (Past Perfect in English) called in Ukrainian “давноминулий час” and indicating an action finished before some moment in the past, e.g. “Я був читав”.

    While in U, all of the above forms were present in common everyday speech in the 1700′s (that’s the speech and vocabulary Kotliarevsky used to write “The Aeneid” published in 1798), R at the time was a mere rudiment of what it has become after Pushkin and is today.”

  917. @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality." - Not very likely but possible in cases of Mikel and German_reader.

    Useful idiocy of characters like Mikel or German_reader has its origin in the same psycho-operation that was performed on the brains of rightoids in last 5-10 years which resulted in complete distrust and hostility towards 'official' narratives promulgated by the MSM and thus the first reaction they always have is: 'they are lying' as they did on issues X, Y and X and thus I must believe only those who say the opposite to what the MSM say and even more so when they are vilified by the MSM. Obviously this is a fallacious syllogism but they get trapped in it. This fallacious syllogism is often used explicitly by Ron Unz.

    But what makes Mikel and German_reader different from typical denizens of the Ron Unz's rightoid sabbath is that Mikel and German_reader could be mistaken for normal people (unlike majority of unz-dot-com commentariat), that in most social contexts their pathology would remains hidden under the surface and would not manifest itself except for a minor trait of passive aggressiveness to cut down any certainty you may display which is a form of projection as they lack certainty and courage so they want to bring you to their 'misery likes company' reality. You could imagine having drinks with them and never noticing what is beneath the surface.

    But most important reason for the difference is that Mikel and German_reader have a very strong feminine element (*) in their personas and that's why they emphasizes passivity and concerns for suffering of civilians and women and children in particular. Acts of active resistance are too risky and too masculine for them. Zelensky challenges that and that's why he irks them very much to the point of hatred. They would like Ukraine to lay down, spread her legs and enjoy what Russia will do to her. This case of projection is utilized very well by Kremlin propaganda.

    Mikel and German_reader belong to the faction of cunts and twats rather than openly deplorable fetishists of power and 'might makes right' among Putin supporters.

    While Mikel or German_reader may argue like rightoids deep down they are liberals who feel betrayed by liberalism and what they often sputter in form of whinging (very visible in German_reader) is the deep sense of betrayal (accusation d of hypocrisy of the West) but there is not an ounce of any conviction left in them. Their only moral dilemma is when to spread their legs so it does not look like too premature invitation to rape. Even cunts and twats still care for some appearance of dignity.

    (*) 'feminine element' as an archetype that many women do not have but when the feminine element dominates woman's personality there is not dissonance and there is no lack of courage but when a man has feminine element dominat it is sure sign of cowardliness and nothing else comes to one's mind than a twat or a cunt.

    Replies: @Mikel, @iffen, @PhysicistDave, @Triteleia Laxa

    You truly are an ignorant, obnoxious, pompous fool.

    Some people hate seeing people die pointlessly and you go on at great length pretending to psychoanalyze them.

    Or maybe you just get paid to do this by the Deep State?

    Nah, you are probably just an amoral monster.

    • Replies: @utu
    @PhysicistDave

    PutinistDave, you are an idiot or more specifically KOIYI - kind of intelligent yet idiot. Your shameless shilling for Putin while feigning concern for the innocent lives lost is on similar level of moral obtuseness and moral indifference as that of Mikel and German_reader whom you decided to defend from the evil warmonger utu.

    Here is a fragment from Graham Green novel which I am afraid you won't get:


    The priest was a young man of Philipot's age with the light skin of a mйtis. He preached a very short sermon on some words of St Thomas the Apostle: 'Let us go up to Jerusalem and die with him.' He said, 'The Church is in the world, it is part of the suffering in the world, and though Christ condemned the disciple who struck off the ear of the high priest's servant, our hearts go out in sympathy to all who are moved to violence by the suffering of others. The Church condemns violence, but it condemns indifference more harshly. Violence can be the expression of love, indifference never. One is an imperfection of charity, the other the perfection of egoism. In the days of fear, doubt and confusion, the simplicity and loyalty of one apostle advocated a political solution. He was wrong, but I would rather be wrong with St Thomas than right with the cold and the craven. Let us go up to Jerusalem and die with him.' - The Comedian
     
    The true reason you came here is because you lost argument on bodies decomposition in Bucha I had with Ron Unz and you on another thread searching of how you could vent your frustration on me by accusing me of psychopathy etc.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

  918. @Mikel
    @utu

    Thanks for spending so much time trying to analyze the depths of my personality. Contrary to TL's psycho-babble, your efforts to denigrate people you disagree with are explicit and crass, to the point that you've ended up revealing much more about your own mind that mine.

    But this is all so deja-vu for me. An old friend of mine was killed by a separatist bullet to his head and a separatist cousin of mine died in a Spanish prison. I know all there is to know about people being unable to concieve that you refuse to take sides in a war and even question the very need of that war.

    It's just a bit surprising that these ancient dynamics also take place when we're talking about the real possibility of a nuclear war but perhaps there's nothing to be surprised about. Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities, why would the online warriors be any better?

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @PhysicistDave

    I’m thinking that maybe the right way to deal with utu is simply to respond to every comment he posts with something like the following:

    Remember everyone: utu is an amoral monster who gets off on the idea of large numbers of innocent people dying pointlessly.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @PhysicistDave

    No, he's just someone caustically droll on the internet with a different opinion to yours. It happens.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  919. @PhysicistDave
    @Mikel

    I'm thinking that maybe the right way to deal with utu is simply to respond to every comment he posts with something like the following:

    Remember everyone: utu is an amoral monster who gets off on the idea of large numbers of innocent people dying pointlessly.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    No, he’s just someone caustically droll on the internet with a different opinion to yours. It happens.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Yevardian

    Yevardian wrote to me:


    No, [utu]’s just someone caustically droll on the internet with a different opinion to yours. It happens.
     
    Nah, utu actually is an amoral monster who gets off on the idea of innocent people dying. I have extensive experience with this thug. Psychopaths actually do exist.

    Even if you deny it.
  920. @Yevardian
    @PhysicistDave

    No, he's just someone caustically droll on the internet with a different opinion to yours. It happens.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Yevardian wrote to me:

    No, [utu]’s just someone caustically droll on the internet with a different opinion to yours. It happens.

    Nah, utu actually is an amoral monster who gets off on the idea of innocent people dying. I have extensive experience with this thug. Psychopaths actually do exist.

    Even if you deny it.

  921. @Gerard1234
    Very saddened to learn of the death of the great man with the great mind and true PATRIOT, Vladimir Zhirinovsky.

    Where Germany has these useless freaks, and useless scum countries like Poland and the 3 baltic states have nothing but useless scum politicians......I am proud that Russia has had this wonderful man.
    A true shame for everybody that he could not launch his genius into talking about this war. A wonderful force of nature

    Replies: @Yevardian

    RIP.

    Gerard, what do you make of Strelkov’s/Girkin’s recent comments?

  922. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Orwell .. killed off these impressive physique
     
    We don't know if "physique declines", just because Orwell says he thought he saw less people with such physique (although it would be interesting to read the article?).

    If it was true, it could be that he sees a different sample. There could be a filter which allows more "unhealthy looking" people to survive to be adults (which we know is true, as infant mortality falls). There could be change of lifestyle or diet.

    But we know that the more "unhealthy looking" people would survive to be adults in this time, from the infant mortality fall. So, that would be a hypothesis that has perhaps some evidence.


    view of the soul is considerably less cold and alienated than the complete modern denial of anything but the bod

     

    I guess it depends on the context, but for historians "modern" refers to 1500-

    This belief body = person, is mainstream in the academic view at least in the middle 20th century.

    But since the late 20th century, the mainstream view has moved more to accepting consciousness is not so "easy" yet to understand with current knowledge.


    Descartes view has significant differences with traditional religious views of the soul
     
    I think it is consistent still with Judeo-Christian-Islamic views of 17th century, not something inconsistent with what he might have learned in Jesuit school.

    fight against the “modernized” juggernaut of Russia’s military
     
    I don't think anyone can consider it modernized to 21st century standards, but perhaps "modernized" if this is defined with low entry standards. Like early 1980s level of "modernization" and with second world organization standards.

    Descartes said he could not be sure he truly had a body, but he only thought so intellectually, and that he saw no connection

     

    He accepted existence of an external world, based on faith in a benevolent god. Isn't it considered the weaker step in his arguments?

    he offered a view of existence as devitalized and mechanical.

     

    He offered skeptical arguments and then argues against them, with ontological argument, then a step in argument based in faith about the attitude of god.

    His skeptical argument goes less than in Buddhism, as he does not argument against his own existence or unitary soul.


    philosophy has been summarized as the desire to be detached from life and not engage with it emotionally, but to be a spectator w
     
    I don't believe this is exactly his summary.

    Usually he is viewed as "rationalism" in contradiction to "empiricism". He believes you can access knowledge of the world through reason and closing your eyes.

    Contrast is usually with "empiricism", where knowledge of world requires opening your eyes and studying the sensations created by the external world. Scientific revolution was usually seen more consistent with "empiricism" worldview.

    -

    In terms of personality of Descartes, he liked to sleep a lot and also just to lie on the bed thinking. His friends were very angry, because he was not staying in bed in the morning.

    Queen Christina of Sweden invites him to teach her. She says he has to wake at 5am for morning class in winter. He died some weeks later of pneumonia.


    selves of others become mere mechanical objects.
     
    Descartes does not say people are mechanical objects. He believes the person is the soul, which is connected to a mechanical object (body).

    So, human bodies are just a mechanical machine. But there is an immaterial soul connected to the machine by pituitary gland towards the base of the brain.

    A difficult area of his theory, was to explain that immaterial souls can interface with this material world. Soul is immaterial, then how can it cause changes to material?

    Replies: @AaronB

    Orwell wasn’t describing simply a change in the ratio of impressive to unimpressive physiques – he was describing a change in absolute terms. He simply no longer saw much of the type of person that was abundant in childhood.

    Also, the major change in modern medicine that increased the survival rate was antibiotics, which was invented after Orwell’s time. Orwell died just before they discovered the cure for tuberculosis.

    If anything, the lack of antibiotics should have led to a culling of the more fragile types and the disproportionate survival of the robust and fit – which means the unimpressive people Orwell was seeing were the robust and fit.

    We know diet has a significant effect on height and physical robustness. Napoleon’s soldiers were shrimps, and the Dutch, who are now the tallest people with the most impressive physiques in Europe (the true Aryan dream lol 🙂 ) , were once one of the shortest.

    I’ll see if I can find the essay for you. Hat tip Dmitry – Orwell’s essays are generally the most fascinating things he wrote, better than the novels, and are a mine of observations and insights, not just historical, but into human nature and sociology and life in general. Get them if you can.

    Orwell was not it seems to me primarily an artist, but he was a highly original and perceptive observer – and highly entertaining!

    As for Descartes –

    In a sense, Descartes kept the medieval framework of soul+body but reversed it.

    In all previous animist culture, things were “ensouled” and “animated”, even so called inanimate objects, much more biological life.

    In this scheme, it was not possible to view animals as automatons or other humans as mechanical devices, even rocks and trees were considered ensouled. One couldn’t exploit the world, it was alive, sacred.

    Descartes created a radical seperation between mind and matter – but since we perceive other people, animals, and everything outside through the medium of physical matter, everyone and everything we perceive now becomes a dead mechanical device potentially.

    Crucially – including our own bodies.

    Traditional animism (which was the basis of the medieval world view) made the world “alive” – Descartes made it “dead”..

    Descartes tried to “save the appearances” by positing a benevolent God, sure, but he created a conceptual framework that for the first time encouraged seeing humans and the world in general primarily as a mechanical device.

    This was a milestone in the development of the modern world, whose defining “myth” – and it is a myth in the sense not only that it can’t be proven but that it symbolically guides our understanding of reality – is that the world and people are a mechanical device, which is responsible for all the alienation and anomie of modern times.

    Ultimately, the modern West went further than Descartes and simply ditched the “soul” and kept the idea of the “world as a mechanical device” – but we could not have gotten there without Descartes.

    Today, as you correctly note, we are gradually emerging from this collective nightmare and finding that consciousness and life cannot be reduced to a mechanical device – it is far more mysterious and embedded.

    But the “rationalist” school of philosophy may have been a form of insanity and radical disconnection from reality – extreme hyper-rationality leads to conditions like schizophrenia.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    lack of antibiotics should have led to a culling of the more fragile
     
    You can see the source I posted. Infant mortality was falling rapidly in the beginning of the 20th century in Great Britain (and earlier as well).

    Hat tip Dmitry – Orwell’s essays are generally the most fascinating
     
    Orwell was good, because he has clear view of civilized English political philosophy of liberalism, transparency of information, then applies these to the self-serving contradiction of 20th century dictatorships' propaganda.

    If we look at the "2 minutes of hate" in 1984. Citizens of the dictatorship, watch Goldstein and you are supposed to hate him (it's like somewhere between "Echo of Moscow" and "Evening with Vladimir Solovyov").

    "Goldstein was.. abusing Big Brother, he was denouncing the dictatorship of the Party, he was demanding the immediate conclusion of peace with Eurasia, he was advocating freedom of speech, freedom of the Press, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought."
    (https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_1)

    But in the 21st century, we are at a much more comical, and less important stage of history. You would write like.

    "Navalny was denouncing the mansions in Monaco, the golden toilet brush, the stripper pole..


    Descartes kept the medieval framework of soul+body but reversed it.. Descartes tried to “save the appearances” by positing a benevolent God, sure, but he created a conceptual framework that for the first time encouraged seeing humans and the world
     
    I don't this is true, as "predestination" in mechanical way is common in medieval philosophy. Descartes has a less mechanistic view than many in the Early Modern stage of history.

    You can see all the debates in this area of the time like Molinism, Jansenism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jansenism#Jansenist_theology


    animism (which was the basis of the medieval world view) made the world “alive” – Descartes made it “dead”..
     
    If you read Descartes, then show the part of his text which you are arguing about?

    “rationalist” school of philosophy may have been a form of insanity and radical disconnection from reality
     
    Are you talking about "rationalist" or "empiricist"?

    Rationalism is the belief that knowledge can be accessed internally. Descartes is an example of philosopher who believed knowledge was unlocked from within himself. Obviously, your personality would be more in the "rationalism" than "empiricism" side of 17th-18th century debates. Claims against Descartes' rationalism are strange in this context, as Descartes' rationalism was arguing for power of finding information inside yourself.

    Replies: @AaronB

  923. A123 says: • Website

    Hungary announces its own foreign policy towards Russia: (1)

    Counter Move, Hungary Will Pay for Russian Energy in Rubles if Russia Asks

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban was overwhelmingly reelected last weekend, despite the massive efforts against him by the European Union, western and euro-centric multinational globalists. Brussels was furious at the Hungarian people

    The European Commission responded to the election by announcing they would fine Hungary €5 billion for not following the ideology of the collective New World Order and western democratic norms. The EU intent is to punish Hungary for perceived transgressions against the European order.

    Delivering another blow, while pushing back against the EU, Western Alliance and NATO today, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Hungary will purchase Russian energy in rubles. With the overwhelming support of the Hungarian people behind him, Prime Minister Orban is not going to be kowtowed by Brussels pressure.

    The “authoritarian liberals” in Brussels just lost badly… Again. Their threats against Hungarian people did not work. Their prior threats against the Polish people previously failed.

    Why are EU Elites so delusional?

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/06/counter-move-hungary-will-pay-for-russian-energy-in-rubles-if-russia-asks/

  924. @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    As part of my return to nature and natural ways of living
     

    I now have delicious raw milk and cream delivered weekly.
     
    I'm with you bro. Nothing says natural living like having milk and cream delivered to your doorstep weekly. You just click on "Proceed to Payment" and presto, it's there before you know it - just the way the first pastoralists did it untold thousands of years ago.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    There is a valid point there. As I said a bit back, I think it can be a benefit that some are willing to pay the big bucks to enable others to farm with consideration.

    However, I think that AaronB will inhabit a bit of a “tourist mentality” toward the spiritual/ natural life he aspires to until he commits to it more concretely. To gain the full potential one has to let other parts of life fall away a bit and some sacrifice is necessary.

    To be honest, there are times when living a more “natural life close to the land” is uncomfortable, inconvenient, heartbreaking, and just plain sucks. Mostly it’s just good and sometimes transcendent. However, one doesn’t feel the full depths of the highs without having also experienced the crushing lows.

    This is not necessarily intended as a criticism of AaronB since I think he has many correct ideals, but it would seems that he is currently living a “best of both world’s” life. This is fine and may be the most pleasant way to go about it, but probably is less conducive to the holistic spiritual path of growth and understanding he aspires to.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Barbarossa

    “tourist mentality” - And not only when it comes to milk. Think of Zelig.

    , @AaronB
    @Barbarossa

    Definitely agree - I am unfortunately nowhere near where I should be and want to be in terms of aligning myself with a more natural lifestyle. I do think however that every small step in that direction is worthwhile.

    I admire and appreciate the fact that you farm. I'd be quite prepared to pay more for high quality farm and artisan food. The raw milk I buy is $11 per gallon, which is expensive but fair and worth it.

    Food is absurdly cheap these days anyway, and if you eat reasonably even a modest budget can afford high quality items.

    My personal ideal in terms of living naturally probably involves spending substantial time in the wilderness, but I'd like to at least grow my own vegetables and perhaps keep a few chickens.

    While I appreciate Silvio's larger point, primitive tribes would barter and trade for items they didn't produce, so buying some foods doesn't seem unnatural - but I would prefer to barter for it :)

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa

    , @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    In the last 1-2 years (approximately, my chronology may not be accurate), Aaronb's forum posts have been recreating the "American transcendentalism stage" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson).

    As for the reality of farming and peasant life. I am just an office worker who was also growing unsuccessfully vegetables during coronavirus lockdown, which is maybe less extreme than Mikel unsuccessfully owning a cow, but I think we have written similar lessons in the forum.

    Farming and peasant life, requires more strategy, organization and intelligence, than many modern office workers can achieve. A more accurate description of peasants' role in world history, would be to call them "agricultural engineers", or maybe "agricultural strategists" .

    Agriculture is extremely skilled work and not very easy for amateurs. You can easily feel why after the invention of agrarian societies, lazy and violent people are doing the "life hack" of raiding the peasants to steal their harvests, rather than trying to grow something themselves.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  925. Germany stages country-wide raids against ‘neo-Nazi networks’

    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/germany-stages-country-wide-raids-against-neo-nazi-networks

    Knockout 51, Combat 18, Atomwaffen

    In the United States Atomwaffen is one-half undercover FBI (and not from the talent pipeline.)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I'd very much like to know what is going on with the nuclear power plants in Germany right now.

    I recently heard Scholz said something crazy like, "continuing to operate the nuclear power plants wouldn't make us energy independent either, as we'd need to import the fuel rods."

    But what I really want to know is what it looks like on the ground. Do the cooling towers have giant antinuclear slogans on them, right now? I saw a picture that seemed to hint that maybe they did. But I can't tell whether that was photoshopped, or out of date.

    I can imagine the Greens making sure that all the wrecking equipment if already on site, for the day they are to be demolished.

  926. @PhysicistDave
    @utu

    You truly are an ignorant, obnoxious, pompous fool.

    Some people hate seeing people die pointlessly and you go on at great length pretending to psychoanalyze them.

    Or maybe you just get paid to do this by the Deep State?

    Nah, you are probably just an amoral monster.

    Replies: @utu

    PutinistDave, you are an idiot or more specifically KOIYI – kind of intelligent yet idiot. Your shameless shilling for Putin while feigning concern for the innocent lives lost is on similar level of moral obtuseness and moral indifference as that of Mikel and German_reader whom you decided to defend from the evil warmonger utu.

    Here is a fragment from Graham Green novel which I am afraid you won’t get:

    The priest was a young man of Philipot’s age with the light skin of a mйtis. He preached a very short sermon on some words of St Thomas the Apostle: ‘Let us go up to Jerusalem and die with him.’ He said, ‘The Church is in the world, it is part of the suffering in the world, and though Christ condemned the disciple who struck off the ear of the high priest’s servant, our hearts go out in sympathy to all who are moved to violence by the suffering of others. The Church condemns violence, but it condemns indifference more harshly. Violence can be the expression of love, indifference never. One is an imperfection of charity, the other the perfection of egoism. In the days of fear, doubt and confusion, the simplicity and loyalty of one apostle advocated a political solution. He was wrong, but I would rather be wrong with St Thomas than right with the cold and the craven. Let us go up to Jerusalem and die with him.’ – The Comedian

    The true reason you came here is because you lost argument on bodies decomposition in Bucha I had with Ron Unz and you on another thread searching of how you could vent your frustration on me by accusing me of psychopathy etc.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @utu

    Graham Greene. Comedians. Pretty sure he was one of those upper crusty guys who would not give the likes of you or I the time of day and I can't think of a good reason to read his books. And there are a lot of people who write books that are worth reading that should not be cited in a million years.

    , @Mikel
    @utu

    Looks like you love making friends everywhere you go.

  927. @Barbarossa
    @silviosilver

    There is a valid point there. As I said a bit back, I think it can be a benefit that some are willing to pay the big bucks to enable others to farm with consideration.

    However, I think that AaronB will inhabit a bit of a "tourist mentality" toward the spiritual/ natural life he aspires to until he commits to it more concretely. To gain the full potential one has to let other parts of life fall away a bit and some sacrifice is necessary.

    To be honest, there are times when living a more "natural life close to the land" is uncomfortable, inconvenient, heartbreaking, and just plain sucks. Mostly it's just good and sometimes transcendent. However, one doesn't feel the full depths of the highs without having also experienced the crushing lows.

    This is not necessarily intended as a criticism of AaronB since I think he has many correct ideals, but it would seems that he is currently living a "best of both world's" life. This is fine and may be the most pleasant way to go about it, but probably is less conducive to the holistic spiritual path of growth and understanding he aspires to.

    Replies: @utu, @AaronB, @Dmitry

    “tourist mentality” – And not only when it comes to milk. Think of Zelig.

  928. @utu
    @PhysicistDave

    PutinistDave, you are an idiot or more specifically KOIYI - kind of intelligent yet idiot. Your shameless shilling for Putin while feigning concern for the innocent lives lost is on similar level of moral obtuseness and moral indifference as that of Mikel and German_reader whom you decided to defend from the evil warmonger utu.

    Here is a fragment from Graham Green novel which I am afraid you won't get:


    The priest was a young man of Philipot's age with the light skin of a mйtis. He preached a very short sermon on some words of St Thomas the Apostle: 'Let us go up to Jerusalem and die with him.' He said, 'The Church is in the world, it is part of the suffering in the world, and though Christ condemned the disciple who struck off the ear of the high priest's servant, our hearts go out in sympathy to all who are moved to violence by the suffering of others. The Church condemns violence, but it condemns indifference more harshly. Violence can be the expression of love, indifference never. One is an imperfection of charity, the other the perfection of egoism. In the days of fear, doubt and confusion, the simplicity and loyalty of one apostle advocated a political solution. He was wrong, but I would rather be wrong with St Thomas than right with the cold and the craven. Let us go up to Jerusalem and die with him.' - The Comedian
     
    The true reason you came here is because you lost argument on bodies decomposition in Bucha I had with Ron Unz and you on another thread searching of how you could vent your frustration on me by accusing me of psychopathy etc.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Graham Greene. Comedians. Pretty sure he was one of those upper crusty guys who would not give the likes of you or I the time of day and I can’t think of a good reason to read his books. And there are a lot of people who write books that are worth reading that should not be cited in a million years.

  929. @Ron Unz
    @prime noticer


    i see twitter took care of the Scott Ritter situation by just making him disappear.
     
    Not too surprising after his really great two hour interview with the Duran people a couple of days ago.

    BTW, regarding the supposed Bucha massacre, which I haven't bothered looking into, Nick Griffin just sent me his excellent piece from Sputnik in which he explains many of the extremely doubtful elements of the supposed evidence. Here's the link:

    https://www.unz.com/article/msms-bucha-tall-tale/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’ll grant you that it is an interesting interview, and worth listening to, but in the final analyses it’s just one more opinion. I listened to the first 80% last night (I may come back to it and finish the last 20%). Even Ritter would backtrack and disavow his opinions every so often, and admit that he could be all wrong and would then offer some opinions as to why. He premises a good deal of his argument on the “closing of the eastern pincer”, and the encirclement of all (60,000 troops?) of Ukraine’s troops there. Well, we’ll see how that ends up and even if it does occur, I think that Ukraine’s will to continue fighting will not diminish. He failed to discuss how having more and more of a concentration of Ukrainian defenders on a smaller geographic area would work more to the defender’s advantage. Western Ukraine is often hilly and forested terrain and the locals are known to be the most fiercely patriotic. There are other perhaps smaller issues that I might differ with Ritter (the ability to obtain and to use Ukrainian cellphones for instance), but I’m pressed for time, getting ready to go to work.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Nobody is going to get this exactly right, but Ritter brings up some interesting level-headed realities.


    ...concentration of Ukrainian defenders on a smaller geographic area would work more to the defender’s advantage.
     
    It has not usually worked that way because they provide a concentrated target. If there is an encirclement there would be a push to break through it - both from inside and outside. There is also the reality that once surrounded some units would feel that it is ok to surrender - it is called being in a hopeless situation. Some did it in Mariupol.

    Western Ukraine is often hilly and forested terrain and the locals are known to be the most fiercely patriotic.
     
    Some are. The region has no history of a fierce local resistance to outsiders, just the opposite. They go quickly with whoever is the winning side. Today it is the West, but if Nato loses what would be the consequences? I hope it doesn't go big boom since it would be interesting to get answers to these questions.

    The temptation by either side to go existential if they are losing will be overwhelming. Those are the fruits of taking it so seriously. I have never seen such a gap between how normal people perceive this and how governments do. (NATO in Ukraine by any means? who the f..k though that is worth all of this?)

  930. @Barbarossa
    @silviosilver

    There is a valid point there. As I said a bit back, I think it can be a benefit that some are willing to pay the big bucks to enable others to farm with consideration.

    However, I think that AaronB will inhabit a bit of a "tourist mentality" toward the spiritual/ natural life he aspires to until he commits to it more concretely. To gain the full potential one has to let other parts of life fall away a bit and some sacrifice is necessary.

    To be honest, there are times when living a more "natural life close to the land" is uncomfortable, inconvenient, heartbreaking, and just plain sucks. Mostly it's just good and sometimes transcendent. However, one doesn't feel the full depths of the highs without having also experienced the crushing lows.

    This is not necessarily intended as a criticism of AaronB since I think he has many correct ideals, but it would seems that he is currently living a "best of both world's" life. This is fine and may be the most pleasant way to go about it, but probably is less conducive to the holistic spiritual path of growth and understanding he aspires to.

    Replies: @utu, @AaronB, @Dmitry

    Definitely agree – I am unfortunately nowhere near where I should be and want to be in terms of aligning myself with a more natural lifestyle. I do think however that every small step in that direction is worthwhile.

    I admire and appreciate the fact that you farm. I’d be quite prepared to pay more for high quality farm and artisan food. The raw milk I buy is $11 per gallon, which is expensive but fair and worth it.

    Food is absurdly cheap these days anyway, and if you eat reasonably even a modest budget can afford high quality items.

    My personal ideal in terms of living naturally probably involves spending substantial time in the wilderness, but I’d like to at least grow my own vegetables and perhaps keep a few chickens.

    While I appreciate Silvio’s larger point, primitive tribes would barter and trade for items they didn’t produce, so buying some foods doesn’t seem unnatural – but I would prefer to barter for it 🙂

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @AaronB

    Don't let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a "noble savage" has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don't eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn't hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.

    There is no point in being sentimental. Humanity is the apex on this planet and we shouldn't be squeamish about it.

    Trying to solve the great challenges of our time by moving backwards into petty barbarism solves nothing. We can only innovate ourselves out of problems. Declinism is a trap, a burning house with no exits. Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!

    Replies: @AaronB, @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

    , @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    My personal ideal in terms of living naturally probably involves spending substantial time in the wilderness, but I’d like to at least grow my own vegetables and perhaps keep a few chickens.
     
    The house I grew up in, my parents grew vegetables and kept chickens. The house sat on a sizeable lot; not huge, but plenty of space for this sort of thing. My parents were keen to pass on their knowledge in this sphere (which wasn't much, but nothing either). As a kid, I found it all terribly tedious, and I ditched those chores the first chance I got.

    Yet I'm still able to recall numerous memories of planting the veggies, tending to the garden, watching them sprout and grow; and of my father slaughtering chickens (they run about for a few seconds with their heads cut off, which I found hilarious), and my mother plucking them and preparing to cook them. Also of village feasts during childhood trips to Yugoslavia and Greece, where I witnessed pigs and lambs slaughtered, and their innards spilling out, which I found utterly revolting.

    I would readily agree that people who engage in these activities really do live closer to nature than those who manipulate abstract symbols for a living. Do they live better? I don't know, maybe. But that life isn't for me, I think I can safely say that much.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Barbarossa
    @AaronB

    I feel that I owe you an apology for my last comment. It was dashed off in haste this morning and in retrospect it seemed very judgemental and distasteful sounding, especially because it was addressed Emil Nikola Richard and not yourself. I certainly don't have any right to be making authoritative pronouncements about your life (or anyone else's on here, for that matter!) I hope you'll accept my sincere apologies for any potential offense given.

    In the end there are a lot of ways around the barn and if we were all doing the same thing it would be a dull stupid world. In many ways the impression given in that comment doesn't reflect my thinking.

    So, please continue to follow your pursuit of truth wherever it may lead and ignore any heckling from the peanut gallery!

    Replies: @AaronB

  931. Hollywood will step in, the Zelensky angle and all that. Ze could play himself in a new dramatic twist in the Western gradual move to the make-believe world. The problem is that the Western audiences don’t relate to “losers” and it could be a stretch to portray this as a glorious victory. Maybe a black hero from the ‘hood or possibly a gay theme.

    Martyrdom is a a hard sell in a hedonistic society, but as long as the martyrs are white disposable second-tier Slavic men it could be done. I am not at this point sure if the reality is mimicking the Western cultural norms or vice-versa.

    The martyr-level heroism is usually embraced by those who are rapidly moving up, or alternatively by groups about to disappear. Let’s see what happens this time.

    This is a gigantic everything-is-changing event. There is no preordained world fate so it will all depend on individuals’ choices and behaviors in the next few months or years. There may not even be time to make movies or write poems about it. Shucks, then the martyrdom would seem even more pointless…

  932. @Mr. Hack
    @Ron Unz

    I'll grant you that it is an interesting interview, and worth listening to, but in the final analyses it's just one more opinion. I listened to the first 80% last night (I may come back to it and finish the last 20%). Even Ritter would backtrack and disavow his opinions every so often, and admit that he could be all wrong and would then offer some opinions as to why. He premises a good deal of his argument on the "closing of the eastern pincer", and the encirclement of all (60,000 troops?) of Ukraine's troops there. Well, we'll see how that ends up and even if it does occur, I think that Ukraine's will to continue fighting will not diminish. He failed to discuss how having more and more of a concentration of Ukrainian defenders on a smaller geographic area would work more to the defender's advantage. Western Ukraine is often hilly and forested terrain and the locals are known to be the most fiercely patriotic. There are other perhaps smaller issues that I might differ with Ritter (the ability to obtain and to use Ukrainian cellphones for instance), but I'm pressed for time, getting ready to go to work.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Nobody is going to get this exactly right, but Ritter brings up some interesting level-headed realities.

    …concentration of Ukrainian defenders on a smaller geographic area would work more to the defender’s advantage.

    It has not usually worked that way because they provide a concentrated target. If there is an encirclement there would be a push to break through it – both from inside and outside. There is also the reality that once surrounded some units would feel that it is ok to surrender – it is called being in a hopeless situation. Some did it in Mariupol.

    Western Ukraine is often hilly and forested terrain and the locals are known to be the most fiercely patriotic.

    Some are. The region has no history of a fierce local resistance to outsiders, just the opposite. They go quickly with whoever is the winning side. Today it is the West, but if Nato loses what would be the consequences? I hope it doesn’t go big boom since it would be interesting to get answers to these questions.

    The temptation by either side to go existential if they are losing will be overwhelming. Those are the fruits of taking it so seriously. I have never seen such a gap between how normal people perceive this and how governments do. (NATO in Ukraine by any means? who the f..k though that is worth all of this?)

  933. @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    I actually once heard a wealthy Swede admit that he was an accelerationist.

    Not fully certain what to make of it, might have just been a cope. But he only implied he was a libertarian and wanted to see all these government programs end. If true, I think he was pretty naive.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Seeing things thru an accelerationist lens allows one to ride the waves or even exploit it. In this case, riding on the wave of mobility to reinforce fundamental human distinctions of the native in-group against the mobile out-group.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    I suspect that we might be in for techno-totalitarianism.

    Anyone who tries to stage a rebellion, even if things get horrendous, will find that they have switchblades stockpiled, to deal with such things. I can see them running out of cruise missiles, but I can't see them running out of small, killer drones.

    IMO, the only possible out is if outside powers send equipment, and they may not due to the fear of nuclear weapons, or because they have an understanding.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  934. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Germany stages country-wide raids against 'neo-Nazi networks'

    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/germany-stages-country-wide-raids-against-neo-nazi-networks

    Knockout 51, Combat 18, Atomwaffen

    In the United States Atomwaffen is one-half undercover FBI (and not from the talent pipeline.)

    Replies: @songbird

    I’d very much like to know what is going on with the nuclear power plants in Germany right now.

    I recently heard Scholz said something crazy like, “continuing to operate the nuclear power plants wouldn’t make us energy independent either, as we’d need to import the fuel rods.”

    But what I really want to know is what it looks like on the ground. Do the cooling towers have giant antinuclear slogans on them, right now? I saw a picture that seemed to hint that maybe they did. But I can’t tell whether that was photoshopped, or out of date.

    I can imagine the Greens making sure that all the wrecking equipment if already on site, for the day they are to be demolished.

  935. @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    Seeing things thru an accelerationist lens allows one to ride the waves or even exploit it. In this case, riding on the wave of mobility to reinforce fundamental human distinctions of the native in-group against the mobile out-group.

    Replies: @songbird

    I suspect that we might be in for techno-totalitarianism.

    Anyone who tries to stage a rebellion, even if things get horrendous, will find that they have switchblades stockpiled, to deal with such things. I can see them running out of cruise missiles, but I can’t see them running out of small, killer drones.

    IMO, the only possible out is if outside powers send equipment, and they may not due to the fear of nuclear weapons, or because they have an understanding.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    All of you have been misunderstanding them - they are telling all these "predictions" to provoke. They are radical centre accelerationists par excellence. Their goals seem crypto-archeofuturist to me, from the view "inside" their technocratic system, while implying a disordered outside exists.

  936. The longer China lockdowns Shanghai the more I’m convinced it is preemptive action to expel as much FDI as possible and reduce the attack surface of economic sanctions/hard decoupling. It’s been successfully done in HK so much that the pro-British element is emigrating like the Balts back in the 90s, but pretty much aborted in Shenzhen.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    The longer China lockdowns Shanghai the more I’m convinced it is preemptive action to expel as much FDI as possible and reduce the attack surface of economic sanctions/hard decoupling.
     
    Creating a failed city decouples it from everything. Domestic Direct Investment [DDI] is plummeting faster than FDI.

    It’s been successfully done in HK so much that the pro-British element is emigrating
     
    The CCP Elites have destroyed the hopes and dreams of an entire generation
    of Hong Kong residents. Every parent, who lived there before the handover, knows that their children will have worse lives than they did.
    ____

    Those who can escape CCP Elite's failure in HK are doing so. After the authoritarian central government's science deniers reopen Shanghai, expect those with sufficient means to also emigrate. It has nothing to do with a "pro British element", it is driven by a "pro Sanity element".

    PEACE 😇

  937. @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    I suspect that we might be in for techno-totalitarianism.

    Anyone who tries to stage a rebellion, even if things get horrendous, will find that they have switchblades stockpiled, to deal with such things. I can see them running out of cruise missiles, but I can't see them running out of small, killer drones.

    IMO, the only possible out is if outside powers send equipment, and they may not due to the fear of nuclear weapons, or because they have an understanding.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    All of you have been misunderstanding them – they are telling all these “predictions” to provoke. They are radical centre accelerationists par excellence. Their goals seem crypto-archeofuturist to me, from the view “inside” their technocratic system, while implying a disordered outside exists.

  938. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon
    The longer China lockdowns Shanghai the more I'm convinced it is preemptive action to expel as much FDI as possible and reduce the attack surface of economic sanctions/hard decoupling. It's been successfully done in HK so much that the pro-British element is emigrating like the Balts back in the 90s, but pretty much aborted in Shenzhen.

    Replies: @A123

    The longer China lockdowns Shanghai the more I’m convinced it is preemptive action to expel as much FDI as possible and reduce the attack surface of economic sanctions/hard decoupling.

    Creating a failed city decouples it from everything. Domestic Direct Investment [DDI] is plummeting faster than FDI.

    It’s been successfully done in HK so much that the pro-British element is emigrating

    The CCP Elites have destroyed the hopes and dreams of an entire generation
    of Hong Kong residents. Every parent, who lived there before the handover, knows that their children will have worse lives than they did.
    ____

    Those who can escape CCP Elite’s failure in HK are doing so. After the authoritarian central government’s science deniers reopen Shanghai, expect those with sufficient means to also emigrate. It has nothing to do with a “pro British element”, it is driven by a “pro Sanity element”.

    PEACE 😇

  939. AP says:

    So 6 weeks have passed. By this time in their respective invasions, Americans had captured all of Iraq, Germans all of Poland, Germany occupied Paris and France surrendered. Next milestone will be the Austrian-Prussian war of 7 weeks. Karlin optimistically saw this as a parallel after his initial predictions failed. Russia meanwhile has lost the battles for Kiev, Chernihiv, Sumy, has made some gains in the South and East but has failed to capture a single large city. TL has posted a few idiotic claims and predictions by sex offender Scott Ritter (is there any doubt that something is wrong with any Westerner shilling for Russia at this point?)

    Wasn’t Mariupol captured last week? I guess not:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Ron Unz apparently was impressed enough with "sex offender"(?) Scott Ritter's recent interview that he posted it above. I gave him my $.02 review of it after listening to a good chunk of it above too. Have you listened to it? What exact "idiotic claims and predictions" of Ritter's did you have in mind? Was it Triteleia Laxa that you were indicating "TL" within your comment or somebody else?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @A123

  940. China, Vietnam, Kazakhstan, etc.’s stance might be taken as the basis of some punitive but non-debilitating sanctions by the Anglo countries and the EU (strongly doubt other Asian countries will follow). Things like tariffs or sectoral trade blockades on places that are easily replaceable or circumvented on both sides. They would be clearly moralizing it if they decided on that.

    Dems trying hard to provoke China. They wish Xi would act out the invasion plan this year and then use it to hard decouple, like their Trumpist rivals.

  941. @utu
    @PhysicistDave

    PutinistDave, you are an idiot or more specifically KOIYI - kind of intelligent yet idiot. Your shameless shilling for Putin while feigning concern for the innocent lives lost is on similar level of moral obtuseness and moral indifference as that of Mikel and German_reader whom you decided to defend from the evil warmonger utu.

    Here is a fragment from Graham Green novel which I am afraid you won't get:


    The priest was a young man of Philipot's age with the light skin of a mйtis. He preached a very short sermon on some words of St Thomas the Apostle: 'Let us go up to Jerusalem and die with him.' He said, 'The Church is in the world, it is part of the suffering in the world, and though Christ condemned the disciple who struck off the ear of the high priest's servant, our hearts go out in sympathy to all who are moved to violence by the suffering of others. The Church condemns violence, but it condemns indifference more harshly. Violence can be the expression of love, indifference never. One is an imperfection of charity, the other the perfection of egoism. In the days of fear, doubt and confusion, the simplicity and loyalty of one apostle advocated a political solution. He was wrong, but I would rather be wrong with St Thomas than right with the cold and the craven. Let us go up to Jerusalem and die with him.' - The Comedian
     
    The true reason you came here is because you lost argument on bodies decomposition in Bucha I had with Ron Unz and you on another thread searching of how you could vent your frustration on me by accusing me of psychopathy etc.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Looks like you love making friends everywhere you go.

  942. @Yevardian
    @Mikel


    Thanks for spending so much time trying to analyze the depths of my personality. Contrary to TL’s psycho-babble, your efforts to denigrate people you disagree with are explicit and crass, to the point that you’ve ended up revealing much more about your own mind that mine.
     
    Well of course. Does he sound like a happy person to you?
    If was to conduct my own stupid armchair analysis, I suspect he was a professor or technical manager of some kind, and so spent a large amount of his professional life constantly having to confront or mitigate incompetence, laziness and flawed systems of thinking. Now, I think higher career echelons are actually much more depressing in this respect of being constantly reminded of people's limitations, just picture your feelings when marking shoddy-but-passable work from a PHD candidate rather than a highschool student. The sense of frustration, dissapointment, or in rare cases even intellectual disgust, becomes much higher when dealing with faulty mental processes of well-educated (not that unz.com has so many of these) 'nitwits', than the simple convictions from the man on the street.

    Now imagine, whilst continuing to work within such an environment, but moving from Eastern Europe where blunt, even brutal honesty is the norm, at least in regard to dealing with subordinates or peers, to going to an Anglo one like America, where direct personal confrontation is avoided at all costs, and people do everything with fake smiles and phoney expressions of interest about your wellbeing. There's a Russian-Jewish acquaintance of mine, from many years, who I've noticed has gradually been driven insane by dealing with this system, I think every year he gets crankier and more and more bitter, since contemporary Anglo culture of emotional mollycoddling (and it seems, still exponentionally growing) seriously gets in the way of him doing his job properly. Ask him in private the right question and he practically explodes with expressions of contempt, but unfortunately, returning to Russia at this stage is obviously no solution at all, and there's little room for him to go higher.
    utu strikes me as not a disimilar personality to that character, although that's entirely idle speculation. Also, on the depressing subject of human mental limitations, I was reminded of this essay from one of my favourite writers, David Stove.

    https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/wrongthoughts.html

    But this is all so deja-vu for me. An old friend of mine was killed by a separatist bullet to his head and a separatist cousin of mine died in a Spanish prison. I know all there is to know about people being unable to concieve that you refuse to take sides in a war and even question the very need of that war.

     

    Yes. I can understand the Ukrainian or Russian commenters here losing perspective, but then you have people with no direct connection to the region wanting to escalate this war to some sort of promethean crusade against Russia (starting with overthrowing Lukashenko.. like that would improve anything), or disaffected Westerners still convincing themselves Putin is some kind of conservative saviour of the white race.
    Regarding Biden's 'cowardice' in not invoking MAD (wow, nothing to unpack there), the obvious answer, even from a hardline neocon standpoint, is I think the US is actually in a pretty good position doing near-nothing at this stage. Earlier on I wouldn't have said it, but with Russian troops performing so below expectations (again, look at the tone in Russian media aimed at actual Russians, not gullible foreigners), and the Ukrainian army obviously having received a huge amount of unpublicised recent American support to revamp since 2014. Now its imperative on Putin to escalate the war from here to salvage Russian credibility, but given how badly respective strength of forces were miscalculated, its still going to take a bloodbath to subjugate the country properly.. and with no such thing as a 'clean war', and America dominating the world media, Russia can't come out of this anything but absolutely awfully.

    I just wonder how long Ukraine can keep tar-pitting Russia for now. Just a wholly avoidable disaster that I don't want to follow closely anymore.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Incredibly, some people have already forgotten that this is now Karlin’s renegade’s blog. AK disassociated from us in a fit of rage because basically all of us here were disgusted with his triunist war of aggression.

    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin’s puppets 🙂

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Ron Unz removed Karlin's name from the main page banner!

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Mikel


    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin’s puppets
     
    I give AP a lot of slack since he has "skin in the game" as they say, he has relatives and friends in direct harm's way in Ukraine. It's the country that he feels closest to, on par with the one he lives in now. Given such intense emotional bonds, I don't fault him for lashing out, even if I've tried to tell him multiple times that Ukraine is cynically used by the West to bleed out Russia and that there is zero real concern for ordinary Ukrainians in Western capitals.

    AP's always struck me as a gentleman and if I were in his position, I doubt I'd keep my cool as well as he has given the circumstances. He is remarkably restrained, and we should all learn from him.

    I have less understanding for clueless boomers like utu losing his mind with his demented calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ, which I take as a sign of mental frailty and incipient stages of alzheimers and/or dementia.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Dmitry, @AP

  943. @Thulean Friend
    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Hungary being the first target of the EU slashing its funding. This process was launched immediately after the election.

    Right now there are three pillars of EU funding: CAP (money to farmers), structural funds (infra funding) and finally Covid-related loans and grants which are a one-off measure. The latter has been withheld but now we're talking structural funds which are permanent. CAP isn't being touched.

    Hungary and Poland both went to the ECJ to protest but the court slapped them down in February, giving the EU commission green light. Unlike in the past, there is no longer a need to do this unanimously as a qualified majority will suffice. Budapest could count on Warsaw blocking everything but this is no longer possible even if Warsaw will likely oppose this measure.

    In the end, the people who hold the purse strings are the ones who control the institutions. Orban thought he could enjoy the economic fruits of the EU but pursue a cultural policy more in line with Russia but this delusion has now clearly ended. The EU enjoys very high support in Hungary and Orban understands that Russia cannot ever replace the bloc economically. It's still a poor country which needs infra support. Who will blink first? Orban's rule looks much more secure to my eyes than does that of PiS in Poland (where most of the media isn't pro-government and there is lower public support for the ruling party). So I don't think he will be toppled, but the EU isn't backing down either. Ordinary Hungarians will suffer, as this would affect their convergence potential.

    As I always said: liberalism wins because its adherents know how to co-operate and create prosperous societies. Some call this "loyalty-generating mechanisms". NATO is militarily powerful and crates a massive security umbrella. If conservative-nationalists want to win they must match this. Since they can't, they cannot counter on liberal societies to underwrite their projects. Hungary is now going to experience this firsthand. Russia can't bail out Hungary. It has to face the world as it is; not as it wishes it to be.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    Most all economic development in Hungary, is a result of wealthy Western countries giving them money, or transferring industry there, or opening their markets to the lower cost of labor there.

    At the same time, Orban uses rhetoric of complaining against those wealthy Western countries which pay for his country, for internal consumption (local voters view it as restoration of pride, etc).

    But while Orban benefits politically, what happens to Hungary, if wealthy countries decide one day to stop paying for it, and to what extent can this be influenced by ungrateful rhetoric of local politicians in the poor/subsidized country against the wealthy/subsidizing country?

    Whether a wealthy country should pay for economic development of a poor country, is not going to be a decision that can be completely rational, as these economies and countries are complex unpredictable systems (nobody can calculate likely what long-term effect can be of this kind of decision).

    So, in the end, there are emotions in these decisions, and if you give money to a homeless person and they smile, or you give money and they say “I tricked you”. Which behavior more likely increases probability of giving money to the homeless person again in the future.

    If you were Hungarian and not an idiot, you should be hoping for much more careful rhetoric from the political class.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    If you were Hungarian and not an idiot, you should be hoping for much more careful rhetoric from the political class.
     
    Especially if you're a country with a small population, kind of tucked away without too much strategic significance and if your bigger partner (Poland) may not necessarily fully align with all your positions.
  944. @AP
    @RadicalCenter

    Thanks for confirming you are yet another of Russia's "useful idiots" on the Right. You have failed to protect your own country and hold something against those who are far better than you and who unlike you are fighting for their country. When you (or your descendants) ultimately betray what is left of your country, will it be for China or for Russia? Made up your mind yet?


    You mean, “few” other than the millions of ukrainian residents who have become Russian citizens and/or moved to Russia
     
    Typically when someone chooses to move away and settle elsewhere they lose their original citizenship. Oligarchs can get away with it, but this is rare.

    and the many Russian-speaking people still in the ukraine who support Russia’s actions.
     
    Normal people turn against a country that slaughters them. After February, pro-Russian sentiment has evaporated in Ukraine. At most 2% of the population, probably a lot lower, support Russia's actions. They are irrelevant.

    I had some relatives in Ukraine who were pro-Russian before February. Russia's actions have turned them very anti-Russian. If them, than most others too.


    And since when does a country or nation pay financial compensation to the scumbags who have been terrorizing and attacking its people
     
    I don't recall Ukraine attacking and causing damage to Russia. Russia chose to invade Ukraine and has caused billions of dollars of damage by this invasion, which Russia is obligated to pay. Probably the money will come from Russia's seized assets.

    Whatever is left of the ukraine should pay compensation to the beleaguered people of the Donbas region
     
    If Ukraine got Donbas back, Russia would be obligated to pay Ukraine for the damage there too, but hopefully it will keep Donbas so that will be irrelevant.

    All Donbas damage and killings after the first few weeks is the result of Russia sending arms and volunteers and regular soldiers being sent into another country in order to make a rebellion within that country possible and in order to prolong it. No different from what was done to Syria by the USA, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia.

    Putin is now the world's number one killer of Slavs. He is sending non-European Buryats and Chechens to kill Slavs in Europe. It is almost amusing that "useful idiots" on the right, such as you, take his side and repeat his side's nonsense. Rather like useful idiots on the left in Soviet days, taking the side of the USSR as a "working man's paradise" where agricultural workers were starved to death en masse.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    failed to protect your own country

    How can he “fail to protect his country”? He is American. Maybe he didn’t volunteer for the Vietnam war or somewhere, which would be not much protection anyway, as except terrorist attacks nobody will significantly attack a nuclear superpower.

    someone chooses to move away and settle elsewhere they lose their original citizenship

    In Russia (and I will therefore assume Ukraine), there is no loss of original citizenship, a government doesn’t even record who has exited the country. The system is designed precisely this way. This is the postsoviet system – its raison d’être is to allow the upper class to move money and resources out and into the country.

    Donbas damage and killings after the first few weeks is the result of Russia sending arms and volunteers.. to Syria by the USA, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia

    You mean giving weapons and arms for local people to protect themselves from the government? This is part of intervention in Donbass which was arguable could be justifiable, even if it created those corrupt gangster republics.

    Putin is now the world’s number one killer of Slavs.

    Fashion for killing of slavic civilians in the postsoviet space, was already a policy with Yeltsin.

  945. @LatW
    @Mikel


    Just as both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are capable of unspeakable atrocities..
     
    The problem here is that Ukrainian soldiers are trying to stop an act of aggression against their homeland, but the Russian soldiers are shooting, raping and torturing women, children & men on foreign soil (on which they have found themselves illegally). They have literally walked into somebody's house to commit atrocities. Ukrainian soldiers are not on Russian soil and are not murdering and raping Russian civilians. Do not try to equalize these things, do not try to make it sound as if they are both "equally bad", this is a crucial distinction.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mikel

    They have literally walked into somebody’s house to commit atrocities.

    That sounds too similar to Donbass rebels vowing to expel Ukrainian invaders from their land not to notice the irony.

    do not try to make it sound as if they are both “equally bad”, this is a crucial distinction.

    I think that you’re saying that atrocities committed for a good cause are not as bad as atrocities committed for a bad cause.

    I understand your feeling but I don’t think that’s a very useful way of framing a discussion on atrocities. The last time I saw my old friend alive was the day I bought my daughter her first computer. We were having some problem setting it up and she called him. She was very good friends with his step daughter. He was already in bed but he woke up and came to us to help. A very nice guy. Some months later he was killed. ETA’s communique claiming the action accussed him of being an “anti-Basque” element because he was a militant of a centralist party with headquarters in Madrid. That was the sin that took him to his grave.

    Now, I think that fighting for the independence of the Basque Country is a good cause. Definitely much better than fighting to keep a distinct people under the heel of Madrid or Paris against that people’s will. But my friend should not have been assassinated. And his murderers should have been arrested and taken to court, as eventually they were. Not surprisingly, I knew some of their families as well. Basically, small town rabble poisoned by decades of hate towards the inferior Spaniards (we don’t have katsapy but we do have maketok, which amounts to the same concept).

    It doesn’t really matter what cause the kind of people that commit atrocities claim to espouse. They are mentally damaged individuals. If they hadn’t found a meaning to their lives “fighting” for that cause, they would equally spend their time dedicated to some other debased activity. Just look at the face of that Georgian volunteer after killing a defenseless soldier on the ground.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    I think that you’re saying that atrocities committed for a good cause are not as bad as atrocities committed for a bad cause.
     
    No, that's not what I was saying. But you're willfully dense.

    my old friend alive
     
    You realize how many buddies the Ukrainian soldiers have lost? How many dad's, husbands? Btw, today I read another story about a child that was killed along his grandmother, they were fleeing Kyiv, first they shot the grandmother, the child was deemed missing and then found shot. Beautiful 4 year old child, at the dawn of his life. So spare me, please.
  946. Augusto Del Noce makes a point that I found fascinating.

    A technological society does not automatically become totalitarian – the intervening idea that makes it totalitarian is that science is the only cognitive mode that brings knowledge.

    This happened late in western history.

    But once this transition is made, science becomes “scientism”.

    At that point, rational persuasion is no longer attempted, but it is assumed that anyone who opposes scientism (and it’s cultural concomitants, like Woke) is doing so for psychological reasons and must be reformed or suppressed.

    That’s roughly where we are now – opponents of the mainstream consensus are simply assumed to be irrational and either suppressed or subjected to attempts at reformation.

    But what would a society that is technological and scientific but nevertheless acknowledged other modes of knowing look like?

    It’s hard to say. Although the West acknowledged other forms of knowing until relatively late, it was always on the path towards finally considering logic and analysis the sole cognitive modes – to drastically limiting the full range of human cognition, and becoming “stupid”.

    I think it’s time we accept that the analytical and logical cognitive mode can give power, but cannot give understanding, and modern society had to embrace stupidity in order to become powerful.

    Nietzsche used to say power makes one stupid, in the sense that brute force does not need subtlety or a supple intellect, it can just smash it’s way through obstacles. Strength does not need intelligence.

    To what extent the power of modern scientific society has lost subtlety and suppleness of intellect as the result of it’s vast increase in power, intellect being a luxury it can now dispense with, is an interesting question.

    But to further develop Nietzsche’s theme – to become powerful one must sacrifice understanding and intelligence.

    Everyone knows that logic and analysis proceeds by simple, clear ideas purged of all indistinctness, and utilizes simple and relatively few categories.(syllogisms, law of non contradiction, etc).

    Such a severe limiting of cognitive range can certainly confer power – all limitations of attention and consciousness on a single point in order to exert force does that – but at the obvious cost of intelligence.

    None of this is to deny value to logic – it is very valuable in it’s proper place. But to limit oneself to it is to become stupid.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    At that point, rational persuasion is no longer attempted, but it is assumed that anyone who opposes scientism (and it’s cultural concomitants, like Woke) is doing so for psychological reasons and must be reformed or suppressed.
     
    I understand you have your reasons for considering wokism a cultural concomitant of what you (somewhat unfairly) term "scientism," but you could at least acknowledge that woke ideas find no scientific support; actual science completely contradicts them. Wokism is, in fact, the epitome of pseudoscience - that label wokists and their libtard dupes shamelessly (one might even say Jewishly) hurl at their opponents.

    Everyone knows that logic and analysis proceeds by simple, clear ideas purged of all indistinctness, and utilizes simple and relatively few categories.(syllogisms, law of non contradiction, etc).
     
    Yes, if only we could freely contradict ourselves, what multitudes we might discover we contain.

    And if nothing else, freeing ourselves from the constraints of non-contradiction would surely lead to greater social harmony, right?

    Replies: @AaronB

  947. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Orwell wasn't describing simply a change in the ratio of impressive to unimpressive physiques - he was describing a change in absolute terms. He simply no longer saw much of the type of person that was abundant in childhood.

    Also, the major change in modern medicine that increased the survival rate was antibiotics, which was invented after Orwell's time. Orwell died just before they discovered the cure for tuberculosis.

    If anything, the lack of antibiotics should have led to a culling of the more fragile types and the disproportionate survival of the robust and fit - which means the unimpressive people Orwell was seeing were the robust and fit.

    We know diet has a significant effect on height and physical robustness. Napoleon's soldiers were shrimps, and the Dutch, who are now the tallest people with the most impressive physiques in Europe (the true Aryan dream lol :) ) , were once one of the shortest.

    I'll see if I can find the essay for you. Hat tip Dmitry - Orwell's essays are generally the most fascinating things he wrote, better than the novels, and are a mine of observations and insights, not just historical, but into human nature and sociology and life in general. Get them if you can.

    Orwell was not it seems to me primarily an artist, but he was a highly original and perceptive observer - and highly entertaining!

    As for Descartes -

    In a sense, Descartes kept the medieval framework of soul+body but reversed it.

    In all previous animist culture, things were "ensouled" and "animated", even so called inanimate objects, much more biological life.

    In this scheme, it was not possible to view animals as automatons or other humans as mechanical devices, even rocks and trees were considered ensouled. One couldn't exploit the world, it was alive, sacred.

    Descartes created a radical seperation between mind and matter - but since we perceive other people, animals, and everything outside through the medium of physical matter, everyone and everything we perceive now becomes a dead mechanical device potentially.

    Crucially - including our own bodies.

    Traditional animism (which was the basis of the medieval world view) made the world "alive" - Descartes made it "dead"..

    Descartes tried to "save the appearances" by positing a benevolent God, sure, but he created a conceptual framework that for the first time encouraged seeing humans and the world in general primarily as a mechanical device.

    This was a milestone in the development of the modern world, whose defining "myth" - and it is a myth in the sense not only that it can't be proven but that it symbolically guides our understanding of reality - is that the world and people are a mechanical device, which is responsible for all the alienation and anomie of modern times.

    Ultimately, the modern West went further than Descartes and simply ditched the "soul" and kept the idea of the "world as a mechanical device" - but we could not have gotten there without Descartes.

    Today, as you correctly note, we are gradually emerging from this collective nightmare and finding that consciousness and life cannot be reduced to a mechanical device - it is far more mysterious and embedded.

    But the "rationalist" school of philosophy may have been a form of insanity and radical disconnection from reality - extreme hyper-rationality leads to conditions like schizophrenia.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    lack of antibiotics should have led to a culling of the more fragile

    You can see the source I posted. Infant mortality was falling rapidly in the beginning of the 20th century in Great Britain (and earlier as well).

    Hat tip Dmitry – Orwell’s essays are generally the most fascinating

    Orwell was good, because he has clear view of civilized English political philosophy of liberalism, transparency of information, then applies these to the self-serving contradiction of 20th century dictatorships’ propaganda.

    If we look at the “2 minutes of hate” in 1984. Citizens of the dictatorship, watch Goldstein and you are supposed to hate him (it’s like somewhere between “Echo of Moscow” and “Evening with Vladimir Solovyov”).

    “Goldstein was.. abusing Big Brother, he was denouncing the dictatorship of the Party, he was demanding the immediate conclusion of peace with Eurasia, he was advocating freedom of speech, freedom of the Press, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought.”
    (https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_1)

    But in the 21st century, we are at a much more comical, and less important stage of history. You would write like.

    “Navalny was denouncing the mansions in Monaco, the golden toilet brush, the stripper pole..

    Descartes kept the medieval framework of soul+body but reversed it.. Descartes tried to “save the appearances” by positing a benevolent God, sure, but he created a conceptual framework that for the first time encouraged seeing humans and the world

    I don’t this is true, as “predestination” in mechanical way is common in medieval philosophy. Descartes has a less mechanistic view than many in the Early Modern stage of history.

    You can see all the debates in this area of the time like Molinism, Jansenism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jansenism#Jansenist_theology

    animism (which was the basis of the medieval world view) made the world “alive” – Descartes made it “dead”..

    If you read Descartes, then show the part of his text which you are arguing about?

    “rationalist” school of philosophy may have been a form of insanity and radical disconnection from reality

    Are you talking about “rationalist” or “empiricist”?

    Rationalism is the belief that knowledge can be accessed internally. Descartes is an example of philosopher who believed knowledge was unlocked from within himself. Obviously, your personality would be more in the “rationalism” than “empiricism” side of 17th-18th century debates. Claims against Descartes’ rationalism are strange in this context, as Descartes’ rationalism was arguing for power of finding information inside yourself.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry


    You can see the source I posted. Infant mortality was falling rapidly in the beginning of the 20th century in Great Britain (and earlier as well).
     
    Fair enough.

    Well, regarding the world and other people as mechanical devices, which are dead, flows naturally from "Cartesian dualism."

    If mind is a property of matter (or matter of mind, as I prefer), then every "thing" in the world is "ensouled".

    Animist cultures view animals, trees, mountains, rivers, valleys, as having "souls", because they view consciousness as a property of matter, as literally inhering in and being inseparable from matter - or better put, the world is consciousness or soul.

    Cartesian dualism posits mind as an utterly separate phenomenon from matter - therefore, for the first time matter can be examined as entirely a dead mechanical device.

    I think this is the standard interpretation of Descartes - the distinctive feature of modernity is widely acknowledged to be the metaphor of world as mechanical device, and Descartes is widely considered seminal in the development of the modern world view.

    And Descartes took the decisive revolutionary step of separating soul and matter as two distinct and incompatible entities, rather than two aspects - or two "faces" - of one thing.

    Rationalism in philosophy says two things - reason and logic are the sole source of knowledge, and experience is second class knowledge.

    In other words, if real world experience contradicts logic, logic wins.

    Is this not a recipe for delusion and madness? And yet in this way too Descartes is the father of modernity, as modernity has accepted that logic and reason are the sole sources of knowledge.

    Yet logic and reason break down wholes into their constituent parts - while this can be useful, does this not blind us to wholes?

    Finally, if logic and reason - and not experience - are our sole sources of knowledge then this downgrades engagement with the actual world, and prefers "representation" (the map) to reality.

    A person who is disengaged from the world - is he not only more prone to delusion (out of touch with reality, as we say), but also lacking in emotional concern, i.e, "devitalized", demotivated, and "dead" inside?

    And is this not the problem with modern Western man that everyone complains about?

    Descartes indeed said that he cannot see how his feelings and emotions "concern" him.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  948. AP says:
    @Yevardian
    @AP


    They are about as distant as German is from Dutch. Ukraine has a more complex grammar and is more “archaic”
     
    Just curious, it what respects? I barely know any Ukrainian, but I know it has the a synthetic-future conjugation, unlike any other Slavic language, but that's an innovative feature, not an archaism. And Ukrainian shares with Russian the lack of copula, which every other Slavic language has.

    To have more complex grammar than Russian isn't exactly a mean feat, I think only Polish (I find it funny that even Russians find Polish to be a tongue-twister) compares to it, from all surviving Indo-European languages. Well, perhaps Baltic languages still retain conjugations and morphology long lost by all the others, but I just don't know anything about them. Transitional/borderland languages with heavy outside influence/borrowing (English, Persian) usually have less complex grammar. Perhaps Czech (I don't know any) could be another exception in being a highly complex border-tongue, though it seems German influence had much less influence on Czech than Hungarian did on its gramatically much simpler Slovak neighbor.

    Replies: @AP, @AP

    Ukrainian has retained the vocative case that in Russian only exists in certain expressions such as “Bozhe moy” (“my God!”). A new one has sort of formed in Russian by cutting off the last syllable.

    Ukrainian has retained the old Slavic names for all of the months and various archaic words as ptashka for bird that Russians can understand but don’t use.

    I pasted a lengthy comment by someone from another forum but can’t search for it in my phone and will repaste.

  949. @Mikel
    @Yevardian

    Incredibly, some people have already forgotten that this is now Karlin's renegade's blog. AK disassociated from us in a fit of rage because basically all of us here were disgusted with his triunist war of aggression.

    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin's puppets :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend

    Ron Unz removed Karlin’s name from the main page banner!

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
  950. @Mikel
    @LatW


    They have literally walked into somebody’s house to commit atrocities.
     
    That sounds too similar to Donbass rebels vowing to expel Ukrainian invaders from their land not to notice the irony.

    do not try to make it sound as if they are both “equally bad”, this is a crucial distinction.
     

    I think that you're saying that atrocities committed for a good cause are not as bad as atrocities committed for a bad cause.

    I understand your feeling but I don't think that's a very useful way of framing a discussion on atrocities. The last time I saw my old friend alive was the day I bought my daughter her first computer. We were having some problem setting it up and she called him. She was very good friends with his step daughter. He was already in bed but he woke up and came to us to help. A very nice guy. Some months later he was killed. ETA's communique claiming the action accussed him of being an "anti-Basque" element because he was a militant of a centralist party with headquarters in Madrid. That was the sin that took him to his grave.

    Now, I think that fighting for the independence of the Basque Country is a good cause. Definitely much better than fighting to keep a distinct people under the heel of Madrid or Paris against that people's will. But my friend should not have been assassinated. And his murderers should have been arrested and taken to court, as eventually they were. Not surprisingly, I knew some of their families as well. Basically, small town rabble poisoned by decades of hate towards the inferior Spaniards (we don't have katsapy but we do have maketok, which amounts to the same concept).

    It doesn't really matter what cause the kind of people that commit atrocities claim to espouse. They are mentally damaged individuals. If they hadn't found a meaning to their lives "fighting" for that cause, they would equally spend their time dedicated to some other debased activity. Just look at the face of that Georgian volunteer after killing a defenseless soldier on the ground.

    Replies: @LatW

    I think that you’re saying that atrocities committed for a good cause are not as bad as atrocities committed for a bad cause.

    No, that’s not what I was saying. But you’re willfully dense.

    my old friend alive

    You realize how many buddies the Ukrainian soldiers have lost? How many dad’s, husbands? Btw, today I read another story about a child that was killed along his grandmother, they were fleeing Kyiv, first they shot the grandmother, the child was deemed missing and then found shot. Beautiful 4 year old child, at the dawn of his life. So spare me, please.

  951. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    lack of antibiotics should have led to a culling of the more fragile
     
    You can see the source I posted. Infant mortality was falling rapidly in the beginning of the 20th century in Great Britain (and earlier as well).

    Hat tip Dmitry – Orwell’s essays are generally the most fascinating
     
    Orwell was good, because he has clear view of civilized English political philosophy of liberalism, transparency of information, then applies these to the self-serving contradiction of 20th century dictatorships' propaganda.

    If we look at the "2 minutes of hate" in 1984. Citizens of the dictatorship, watch Goldstein and you are supposed to hate him (it's like somewhere between "Echo of Moscow" and "Evening with Vladimir Solovyov").

    "Goldstein was.. abusing Big Brother, he was denouncing the dictatorship of the Party, he was demanding the immediate conclusion of peace with Eurasia, he was advocating freedom of speech, freedom of the Press, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought."
    (https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_p_1)

    But in the 21st century, we are at a much more comical, and less important stage of history. You would write like.

    "Navalny was denouncing the mansions in Monaco, the golden toilet brush, the stripper pole..


    Descartes kept the medieval framework of soul+body but reversed it.. Descartes tried to “save the appearances” by positing a benevolent God, sure, but he created a conceptual framework that for the first time encouraged seeing humans and the world
     
    I don't this is true, as "predestination" in mechanical way is common in medieval philosophy. Descartes has a less mechanistic view than many in the Early Modern stage of history.

    You can see all the debates in this area of the time like Molinism, Jansenism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jansenism#Jansenist_theology


    animism (which was the basis of the medieval world view) made the world “alive” – Descartes made it “dead”..
     
    If you read Descartes, then show the part of his text which you are arguing about?

    “rationalist” school of philosophy may have been a form of insanity and radical disconnection from reality
     
    Are you talking about "rationalist" or "empiricist"?

    Rationalism is the belief that knowledge can be accessed internally. Descartes is an example of philosopher who believed knowledge was unlocked from within himself. Obviously, your personality would be more in the "rationalism" than "empiricism" side of 17th-18th century debates. Claims against Descartes' rationalism are strange in this context, as Descartes' rationalism was arguing for power of finding information inside yourself.

    Replies: @AaronB

    You can see the source I posted. Infant mortality was falling rapidly in the beginning of the 20th century in Great Britain (and earlier as well).

    Fair enough.

    Well, regarding the world and other people as mechanical devices, which are dead, flows naturally from “Cartesian dualism.”

    If mind is a property of matter (or matter of mind, as I prefer), then every “thing” in the world is “ensouled”.

    Animist cultures view animals, trees, mountains, rivers, valleys, as having “souls”, because they view consciousness as a property of matter, as literally inhering in and being inseparable from matter – or better put, the world is consciousness or soul.

    Cartesian dualism posits mind as an utterly separate phenomenon from matter – therefore, for the first time matter can be examined as entirely a dead mechanical device.

    I think this is the standard interpretation of Descartes – the distinctive feature of modernity is widely acknowledged to be the metaphor of world as mechanical device, and Descartes is widely considered seminal in the development of the modern world view.

    And Descartes took the decisive revolutionary step of separating soul and matter as two distinct and incompatible entities, rather than two aspects – or two “faces” – of one thing.

    Rationalism in philosophy says two things – reason and logic are the sole source of knowledge, and experience is second class knowledge.

    In other words, if real world experience contradicts logic, logic wins.

    Is this not a recipe for delusion and madness? And yet in this way too Descartes is the father of modernity, as modernity has accepted that logic and reason are the sole sources of knowledge.

    Yet logic and reason break down wholes into their constituent parts – while this can be useful, does this not blind us to wholes?

    Finally, if logic and reason – and not experience – are our sole sources of knowledge then this downgrades engagement with the actual world, and prefers “representation” (the map) to reality.

    A person who is disengaged from the world – is he not only more prone to delusion (out of touch with reality, as we say), but also lacking in emotional concern, i.e, “devitalized”, demotivated, and “dead” inside?

    And is this not the problem with modern Western man that everyone complains about?

    Descartes indeed said that he cannot see how his feelings and emotions “concern” him.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AaronB

    You're still being so weird. Using endless paragraphs of Cartesian rationality to try to persuade people, and yourself, that Cartesian rationality is "death" and false.

    None of your arguments are from experience and especially none of your prized "ideology."

    I would have thought you might have learned something by now. I told you everything you needed before. Where's the self-reflection?

  952. @Mikel
    @Yevardian

    Incredibly, some people have already forgotten that this is now Karlin's renegade's blog. AK disassociated from us in a fit of rage because basically all of us here were disgusted with his triunist war of aggression.

    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin's puppets :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend

    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin’s puppets

    I give AP a lot of slack since he has “skin in the game” as they say, he has relatives and friends in direct harm’s way in Ukraine. It’s the country that he feels closest to, on par with the one he lives in now. Given such intense emotional bonds, I don’t fault him for lashing out, even if I’ve tried to tell him multiple times that Ukraine is cynically used by the West to bleed out Russia and that there is zero real concern for ordinary Ukrainians in Western capitals.

    AP’s always struck me as a gentleman and if I were in his position, I doubt I’d keep my cool as well as he has given the circumstances. He is remarkably restrained, and we should all learn from him.

    I have less understanding for clueless boomers like utu losing his mind with his demented calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ, which I take as a sign of mental frailty and incipient stages of alzheimers and/or dementia.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Thulean Friend

    Quite true. I've definitely seen AP lose his cool in the past but he's been quite composed here since the war started. I remember he even had some civilized interaction with AK, who is basically the only person here who supported this barbaric war. He's definitely not the one desperately looking for "enemies" to insult for not being in favor of an even more catastrophic war.

    , @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    AP's texts have always been more "kremlinbot" than my views. And my views more "kremlinbot" than most Russians outside Russia.

    When topic discussion was Russia (which I know is boring topic for 90% of people on the forum, but we were a lot of time talking about it in this forum because of bloghost obsession) I was always writing to AP comments like "maybe it's not a good idea when they use much of the country's money and pile it in the centre of Moscow to impress Western bourgeoisie."

    I'm here who reveals fake news about Ukraine vs Russia, that posted by the blog, whereas the other ones sponsoring it. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/ukraine-returns-to-tradition/#comment-3898004

    I have never been even (to be honest) interested in Ukraine, but it's still somehow nobody else even wants to explain when there is fake news.

    Also I was writing to him that Mariupol looks like a nice city.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-86/#comment-3396043
    Or Donetsk
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/foreign-fighters-in-ukraine/#comment-3500359

    That is a sad topic. But you know relative for income level and historical time of construction, those parts of Ukraine, were obviously not such bad places before war.

    , @AP
    @Thulean Friend

    Thank you for the kind words.


    utu losing his mind
     
    FWIW I suspect that utu is from Eastern Europe and probably is not far removed from outrages committed by Soviets, perhaps his parents were victims. But one shouldn't have to have personal experiences to be utterly outraged by Russia's actions in Ukraine. It only takes some decency.

    calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ
     
    He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (erven if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start "we will take no risks" is a green light for the Russians.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    I can't go over the 3 post limit; I would respond to Mikel: I was outraged when he described the sad situation of the bombing of the Luhansk federal building as mass murder or a war crime (I do not feel like relitigating that here now). In that event, while the military commander of Luhansk forces (soon after they killed a bunch of Ukrainian border soldiers) was meeting in the municipal building a Ukrainian jet fired weapons at that specific building; sadly it missed and 7 or so civilians were killed in the square below. Ukraine at that time had no guided precision weapons so flying a jet up to the building and hitting it was as precise as could be done.

    Contrast that to what Russian forces are doing now: destroying entire cities and neighborhoods, beheading civilians, shooting (from ground level) fleeing civilian cars or people on the streets, even children. Shooting bound civilians in the head. And all these outrages are not even done in the context of some sort of internal rebellion (not that this would justify them) but as an invasion of another country.

    Sad and disgusting that many of the same characters howling about Ukrainian actions don't condemn far worse Russian actions.

    Replies: @utu, @Mikel

  953. @AP
    So 6 weeks have passed. By this time in their respective invasions, Americans had captured all of Iraq, Germans all of Poland, Germany occupied Paris and France surrendered. Next milestone will be the Austrian-Prussian war of 7 weeks. Karlin optimistically saw this as a parallel after his initial predictions failed. Russia meanwhile has lost the battles for Kiev, Chernihiv, Sumy, has made some gains in the South and East but has failed to capture a single large city. TL has posted a few idiotic claims and predictions by sex offender Scott Ritter (is there any doubt that something is wrong with any Westerner shilling for Russia at this point?)

    Wasn’t Mariupol captured last week? I guess not:

    https://twitter.com/julianroepcke/status/1511972717234434049?s=21&t=v1jf17ixmu6owNiZegxP2w

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Ron Unz apparently was impressed enough with “sex offender”(?) Scott Ritter’s recent interview that he posted it above. I gave him my $.02 review of it after listening to a good chunk of it above too. Have you listened to it? What exact “idiotic claims and predictions” of Ritter’s did you have in mind? Was it Triteleia Laxa that you were indicating “TL” within your comment or somebody else?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't know, maybe I'll give it a listen on the weekend on x2 speed for a walk, if someone decent like Glen Greenwald or Mearsheimer is interviewing him. But it seems like this Ritter (personal baggage aside) character is just someone who had bitter experience with Neoconservatives and Israel-firsters taking over American politics, and so reflexively and uncritically went over to the opposite side, hopefully he's somewhat better than contrarian idiots like George Galloway.
    I also don't know what new info there could be not already circulating all over Russian or Armenian media, none of whom seem as bullish on *Z* war as him, or (say) the iSteve commentariat at this stage.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    “sex offender”(?) Scott Ritter’s recent interview that he posted it above. I gave him my $.02 review of it after listening to a good chunk of it above too.
     
    We have AP had a couple of Trolls pop up here hurling ludicrous accusations AK.

    Was Ritter ever convicted of anything? Failing that, is there anything credible in the charges?
    ____

    I found Ritter's comments on hypersonic weapons to be highly questionable. He seemed like he was pushing an agenda, not presenting a complex case. Others have done better ha doing limited media time slots.

    Given his lack of credibility there, one has to be suspicious of Rider's pronouncements about Ukraine. Did any media figure correctly call the pull back from Kiev? No one has presented a convincing prediction about future events.
    ___

    I admit I got it wrong.

    I was expecting continuing pressure around Kiev while holding back on "shock & awe" style artillery bludgeoning of the city itself. The return of a relatively unmolested Kiev to be the carrot that brought Zelensky to the table for a deal.

    This does not seem to be a true withdrawal by Russia. However, giving up hard won territory is counter intuitive.

    PEACE 😇
  954. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    Most all economic development in Hungary, is a result of wealthy Western countries giving them money, or transferring industry there, or opening their markets to the lower cost of labor there.

    At the same time, Orban uses rhetoric of complaining against those wealthy Western countries which pay for his country, for internal consumption (local voters view it as restoration of pride, etc).

    But while Orban benefits politically, what happens to Hungary, if wealthy countries decide one day to stop paying for it, and to what extent can this be influenced by ungrateful rhetoric of local politicians in the poor/subsidized country against the wealthy/subsidizing country?

    Whether a wealthy country should pay for economic development of a poor country, is not going to be a decision that can be completely rational, as these economies and countries are complex unpredictable systems (nobody can calculate likely what long-term effect can be of this kind of decision).

    So, in the end, there are emotions in these decisions, and if you give money to a homeless person and they smile, or you give money and they say "I tricked you". Which behavior more likely increases probability of giving money to the homeless person again in the future.

    If you were Hungarian and not an idiot, you should be hoping for much more careful rhetoric from the political class.

    Replies: @LatW

    If you were Hungarian and not an idiot, you should be hoping for much more careful rhetoric from the political class.

    Especially if you’re a country with a small population, kind of tucked away without too much strategic significance and if your bigger partner (Poland) may not necessarily fully align with all your positions.

  955. I find it amusing that the Poles, Swedes, Germans, Basques, Latvians, Slovaks, Americans etc. around here are nastier to each other viz. the Ukraine-Russia conflict than the community’s resident Ukrainians and Russians. But perhaps that is because all the Russian Nationalists departed along with AK.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Yahya

    You've clearly never paid attention to Gerard or Felix Keverich (when he was still here). Or AP's attacks on Mikhail and vice versa.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @LatW
    @Yahya

    It's because of the particular audience gathered here, not those nationalities in general out there in the real world. Out there in the real world, the attitudes towards this conflict are very, very different than among the folks here. Ukraine is receiving massive support.

    Replies: @Mikel

  956. @AaronB
    @Barbarossa

    Definitely agree - I am unfortunately nowhere near where I should be and want to be in terms of aligning myself with a more natural lifestyle. I do think however that every small step in that direction is worthwhile.

    I admire and appreciate the fact that you farm. I'd be quite prepared to pay more for high quality farm and artisan food. The raw milk I buy is $11 per gallon, which is expensive but fair and worth it.

    Food is absurdly cheap these days anyway, and if you eat reasonably even a modest budget can afford high quality items.

    My personal ideal in terms of living naturally probably involves spending substantial time in the wilderness, but I'd like to at least grow my own vegetables and perhaps keep a few chickens.

    While I appreciate Silvio's larger point, primitive tribes would barter and trade for items they didn't produce, so buying some foods doesn't seem unnatural - but I would prefer to barter for it :)

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa

    Don’t let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a “noble savage” has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don’t eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn’t hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.

    There is no point in being sentimental. Humanity is the apex on this planet and we shouldn’t be squeamish about it.

    Trying to solve the great challenges of our time by moving backwards into petty barbarism solves nothing. We can only innovate ourselves out of problems. Declinism is a trap, a burning house with no exits. Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Thulean Friend

    I am familiar with this vision :)


    Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!
     
    This is a noble vision and one with which I agree in principle - however, it is the "shadow" of the true vision.

    What you are advocating for is "novelty" instead of "originality" - that we must explore new planets instead of deepening our wonder at the inexhaustible richness of this one.

    This is behind the modern restless search for "novelty" - when you view the world through the left hemisphere, through the "representations" that logic and reason give you, it quickly becomes over-familiar and boring, because you're seeing only a map and not engaging with the inexhaustible mystery of the real thing, with the experience of the real thing. Thus you need a constant stream of novelty.

    But the thinkers and poets, and religious movements, that I like most, understand that the true task is to constantly renew and refresh our engagement with the real thing, not the abstract map, and the familiar becomes ever new and inexhaustibly rich.

    In other words, engage with the world on the intuitive and direct level, on the level of experience, beyond mere logical "maps", the imaginative and affective, and the world is ever fresh and original.

    All novelty is a pale simulacrum of this richness.

    As for Barbarossa, I did not see him as bullying me :) He needed affirmation, and I was more than happy to give it. And Silvio and utu are just threatened by my vision.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Thulean Friend


    Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying.
     
    False dichotomy. Humanity is permanently stuck on planet earth sans (so far mythological) zero point energy. The third option is a small subset of self appointed masters will extinguish the 99% of us, including you and I, they classify as useless eaters.

    H. G. Wells et al wrote most of it down. The most digestible presentation was in Huxley's Brave New World. That book is pretty close to their business plan.
    , @silviosilver
    @Thulean Friend


    Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!
     
    While I could have no higher appreciation of the sentiment expressed, it does sound strange coming from your lips. Are we but "manoids" polluting this good earth, and spoiling it for the other creatures, all of whom are nobler and more deserving than us, or are we near-gods destined to spread our seed throughout the galaxy? Seems to me you ought to make your mind up.
  957. @Yahya
    I find it amusing that the Poles, Swedes, Germans, Basques, Latvians, Slovaks, Americans etc. around here are nastier to each other viz. the Ukraine-Russia conflict than the community's resident Ukrainians and Russians. But perhaps that is because all the Russian Nationalists departed along with AK.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @LatW

    You’ve clearly never paid attention to Gerard or Felix Keverich (when he was still here). Or AP’s attacks on Mikhail and vice versa.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Thulean Friend

    Yes, those constant spats became so constant and tedious, dominating every thread, while the rest of unz flooded with floomers, I just stopped bothering to visit (probably a habit I should have kept). I think just came back curious to see what people thought of the 2020 Armenia-Azerbaijan war.


    Don’t let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a “noble savage” has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don’t eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn’t hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.
     
    I'm still waiting for AaronB to get into Breatharianism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

    Although since he enjoys this wacky stuff, I'd actually seriously recommend he try reading Julian Jaynes 'The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind', one of those books that stays with forever after reading it, just one of the strangest curios ever published. If you allow yourself to accept the very compelling internal logic Jayne uses, you can can practically feel the fabric of your own sanity coming under attack, its quite impressive, like reading Leibniz in that respect.

    Replies: @AaronB, @AP, @Mr. Hack

  958. @Yahya
    I find it amusing that the Poles, Swedes, Germans, Basques, Latvians, Slovaks, Americans etc. around here are nastier to each other viz. the Ukraine-Russia conflict than the community's resident Ukrainians and Russians. But perhaps that is because all the Russian Nationalists departed along with AK.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @LatW

    It’s because of the particular audience gathered here, not those nationalities in general out there in the real world. Out there in the real world, the attitudes towards this conflict are very, very different than among the folks here. Ukraine is receiving massive support.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    Out there in the real world, the attitudes towards this conflict are very, very different than among the folks here. Ukraine is receiving massive support.
     
    That's true. But you shouldn't misinterpret what's really going on. If the western MSM had dedicated the same amount of space and effort to describe the suffering of the Yemeni people (the largest human catastrophe in the world as of this writing), preceded by eight years of demonization of Saudi Arabia, western people "in the real world" would have also shown massive support for the Yemenis and our armed forces would already be there.

    Or more significantly, if the western MSM would have spent the same space, dedication and bias to show the civilian victims in Donbass caused by Ukrainian indiscriminate shelling, this war would have never started to begin with. Perhaps it would have been the West itself who would have imposed a partition of Ukraine.

    You may dislike that some people here express much more nuanced and diverse opinions than what everybody can read on CNN 24x7 but that's the reason why this blog rapidly reaches the hundreds of comments. With a facebook-tier censorship on this blog that made everybody conform to the dominant narrative, I doubt you'd find it worthwhile to comment here.

    Replies: @LatW

  959. @Thulean Friend
    @AaronB

    Don't let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a "noble savage" has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don't eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn't hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.

    There is no point in being sentimental. Humanity is the apex on this planet and we shouldn't be squeamish about it.

    Trying to solve the great challenges of our time by moving backwards into petty barbarism solves nothing. We can only innovate ourselves out of problems. Declinism is a trap, a burning house with no exits. Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!

    Replies: @AaronB, @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

    I am familiar with this vision 🙂

    Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!

    This is a noble vision and one with which I agree in principle – however, it is the “shadow” of the true vision.

    What you are advocating for is “novelty” instead of “originality” – that we must explore new planets instead of deepening our wonder at the inexhaustible richness of this one.

    This is behind the modern restless search for “novelty” – when you view the world through the left hemisphere, through the “representations” that logic and reason give you, it quickly becomes over-familiar and boring, because you’re seeing only a map and not engaging with the inexhaustible mystery of the real thing, with the experience of the real thing. Thus you need a constant stream of novelty.

    But the thinkers and poets, and religious movements, that I like most, understand that the true task is to constantly renew and refresh our engagement with the real thing, not the abstract map, and the familiar becomes ever new and inexhaustibly rich.

    In other words, engage with the world on the intuitive and direct level, on the level of experience, beyond mere logical “maps”, the imaginative and affective, and the world is ever fresh and original.

    All novelty is a pale simulacrum of this richness.

    As for Barbarossa, I did not see him as bullying me 🙂 He needed affirmation, and I was more than happy to give it. And Silvio and utu are just threatened by my vision.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    And Silvio and utu are just threatened by my vision.
     
    Not as long as it can be confined to yourself and a handful of likeminded souls. Knock yourself out. I'm more than happy for you to follow your own bliss.

    As far as I can tell, you haven't really made any radical breaks anyway. To put it bluntly - and it wouldn't be me if I weren't being blunt - it seems mostly a LARP, a fantasy camp spiritualism. You're Billy Crystal in City Slickers lol.

    On the other hand, if your values and the conceptual framework justifying them were to take root in society at large it would clearly be threatening, to me and to countless millions of others, and there'd be no shame in saying so.

    Per aaron.b ad astra!

    Replies: @AaronB

  960. @Thulean Friend
    @Yahya

    You've clearly never paid attention to Gerard or Felix Keverich (when he was still here). Or AP's attacks on Mikhail and vice versa.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Yes, those constant spats became so constant and tedious, dominating every thread, while the rest of unz flooded with floomers, I just stopped bothering to visit (probably a habit I should have kept). I think just came back curious to see what people thought of the 2020 Armenia-Azerbaijan war.

    Don’t let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a “noble savage” has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don’t eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn’t hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.

    I’m still waiting for AaronB to get into Breatharianism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

    Although since he enjoys this wacky stuff, I’d actually seriously recommend he try reading Julian Jaynes ‘The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind’, one of those books that stays with forever after reading it, just one of the strangest curios ever published. If you allow yourself to accept the very compelling internal logic Jayne uses, you can can practically feel the fabric of your own sanity coming under attack, its quite impressive, like reading Leibniz in that respect.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Yevardian

    Thanks.

    I have heard it's a book of genius and rich insight.

    I believe Mcgilchrist says he builds on this book and has found it made an important contribution to his own thought, although his ideas are importantly different.

    I definitely will check it out.

    To me, true insanity are those books that trap me in an abstract web of self sufficient logic that is detached from reality and forced in on itself.

    Books that "expand" my mind and return me to the larger picture feel like a return to reality and sanity.

    Still, I shall have to see.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @AP
    @Yevardian


    Although since he enjoys this wacky stuff, I’d actually seriously recommend he try reading Julian Jaynes ‘The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind’, one of those books that stays with forever after reading it, just one of the strangest curios ever published. If you allow yourself to accept the very compelling internal logic Jayne uses, you can can practically feel the fabric of your own sanity coming under attack, its quite impressive, like reading Leibniz in that respect.
     
    Heartily agree with this.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Yevardian

    One man's wackiness can be another man's bread and butter. AaronB's musings often leave this blogosphere with an "impressive" array of ideas and discussions. Thanks for the introduction to another great book within your library of gems, and thanks to AaronB for starting a discussion that made this all possible. After reading the wikipedia entry related to Jayne's book, I didn't see any mention at all regarding the concept of "spirituality" during the periods before or after his claimed watershed period of the eclipsing of the "bicameral mind'? Would you consider this to be an accurate
    observation, or just an emission solely due to the wikipedia editors?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind

    Replies: @Yevardian

  961. @Yevardian
    @Thulean Friend

    Yes, those constant spats became so constant and tedious, dominating every thread, while the rest of unz flooded with floomers, I just stopped bothering to visit (probably a habit I should have kept). I think just came back curious to see what people thought of the 2020 Armenia-Azerbaijan war.


    Don’t let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a “noble savage” has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don’t eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn’t hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.
     
    I'm still waiting for AaronB to get into Breatharianism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

    Although since he enjoys this wacky stuff, I'd actually seriously recommend he try reading Julian Jaynes 'The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind', one of those books that stays with forever after reading it, just one of the strangest curios ever published. If you allow yourself to accept the very compelling internal logic Jayne uses, you can can practically feel the fabric of your own sanity coming under attack, its quite impressive, like reading Leibniz in that respect.

    Replies: @AaronB, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    Thanks.

    I have heard it’s a book of genius and rich insight.

    I believe Mcgilchrist says he builds on this book and has found it made an important contribution to his own thought, although his ideas are importantly different.

    I definitely will check it out.

    To me, true insanity are those books that trap me in an abstract web of self sufficient logic that is detached from reality and forced in on itself.

    Books that “expand” my mind and return me to the larger picture feel like a return to reality and sanity.

    Still, I shall have to see.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    McGilchrist and Jaynes are peas in a pod. It is not a genius insight pod. It is more akin to idiot savant.

    The left brain right brain thing is a theory built upon data from defective brains.

    I read a really great memoir from an MD which I have forgotten the title of a few years ago. One thing that really stuck with me from it is brain surgery is thought to be super high tech with the top geniuses but the reality is that nobody chooses to go into brain surgery. All the patients are dead or soon-to-be-dead. The profession has a memorable and ghastly saying.

    You will never be the same once the air hits your brain.

    The greatest advance in brain science of all time was done by the Russian Alexander Luria. He had a great advantage over all of the competition in that he had unfettered access to an effectively endless supply of messed up brains from wounded soldiers during the great patriotic War.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/046509208X/

    Replies: @AaronB

  962. @Thulean Friend
    @Mikel


    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin’s puppets
     
    I give AP a lot of slack since he has "skin in the game" as they say, he has relatives and friends in direct harm's way in Ukraine. It's the country that he feels closest to, on par with the one he lives in now. Given such intense emotional bonds, I don't fault him for lashing out, even if I've tried to tell him multiple times that Ukraine is cynically used by the West to bleed out Russia and that there is zero real concern for ordinary Ukrainians in Western capitals.

    AP's always struck me as a gentleman and if I were in his position, I doubt I'd keep my cool as well as he has given the circumstances. He is remarkably restrained, and we should all learn from him.

    I have less understanding for clueless boomers like utu losing his mind with his demented calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ, which I take as a sign of mental frailty and incipient stages of alzheimers and/or dementia.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Dmitry, @AP

    Quite true. I’ve definitely seen AP lose his cool in the past but he’s been quite composed here since the war started. I remember he even had some civilized interaction with AK, who is basically the only person here who supported this barbaric war. He’s definitely not the one desperately looking for “enemies” to insult for not being in favor of an even more catastrophic war.

  963. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Ron Unz apparently was impressed enough with "sex offender"(?) Scott Ritter's recent interview that he posted it above. I gave him my $.02 review of it after listening to a good chunk of it above too. Have you listened to it? What exact "idiotic claims and predictions" of Ritter's did you have in mind? Was it Triteleia Laxa that you were indicating "TL" within your comment or somebody else?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @A123

    I don’t know, maybe I’ll give it a listen on the weekend on x2 speed for a walk, if someone decent like Glen Greenwald or Mearsheimer is interviewing him. But it seems like this Ritter (personal baggage aside) character is just someone who had bitter experience with Neoconservatives and Israel-firsters taking over American politics, and so reflexively and uncritically went over to the opposite side, hopefully he’s somewhat better than contrarian idiots like George Galloway.
    I also don’t know what new info there could be not already circulating all over Russian or Armenian media, none of whom seem as bullish on *Z* war as him, or (say) the iSteve commentariat at this stage.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yevardian

    I haven't actually come out and endorsed Ritter and his views. I listened to most of the interview, mostly because it was presented by Ron Unz, and he seemed reasonably impressed with the contents. Also, I need to know what the pro-Putinoids are pushing these days too. You may read my succinct review of the interview within comment #935. AP is certainly more familiar with Mr. Ritter and his views than I am, and doesn't seem to be very impressed. I queeried him about his opinion about the man and his stances, and am yet waiting to hear back from him (see his comment #945 and mine #959)....

  964. @LatW
    @Yahya

    It's because of the particular audience gathered here, not those nationalities in general out there in the real world. Out there in the real world, the attitudes towards this conflict are very, very different than among the folks here. Ukraine is receiving massive support.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Out there in the real world, the attitudes towards this conflict are very, very different than among the folks here. Ukraine is receiving massive support.

    That’s true. But you shouldn’t misinterpret what’s really going on. If the western MSM had dedicated the same amount of space and effort to describe the suffering of the Yemeni people (the largest human catastrophe in the world as of this writing), preceded by eight years of demonization of Saudi Arabia, western people “in the real world” would have also shown massive support for the Yemenis and our armed forces would already be there.

    Or more significantly, if the western MSM would have spent the same space, dedication and bias to show the civilian victims in Donbass caused by Ukrainian indiscriminate shelling, this war would have never started to begin with. Perhaps it would have been the West itself who would have imposed a partition of Ukraine.

    You may dislike that some people here express much more nuanced and diverse opinions than what everybody can read on CNN 24×7 but that’s the reason why this blog rapidly reaches the hundreds of comments. With a facebook-tier censorship on this blog that made everybody conform to the dominant narrative, I doubt you’d find it worthwhile to comment here.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    But you shouldn’t misinterpret what’s really going on
     
    I'm not, you like to believe that it's all media brainwashing while it's genuine outrage. I've never seen these levels of engagement (except maybe the late 1980s in Eastern Europe).



    Btw, the world is quite aware of the Yemeni situation (I've seen many humanitarian ads and the famine there really was awful, especially compared to the lavishness of the neighboring countries). But please let's admit that there is civilizational vicinity with Ukrainians and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's not ok to take a large European state and straight out destroy it. You cannot expect the Western public to be ok with that. These are exquisite levels of brutality not seen since Chechnya. Please read the doc I shared from Ria Novosti. It's a fascist program for the elimination of the Ukrainian nation. It'll be added to the evidence that will be filed in the Hague. Who does the Russian think he is that he can decide whether we exist or not?

    the civilian victims in Donbass
     
    Are you aware that the Russian occupiers are ravaging Luhansk region right now, as we speak? It could be cleared of all population for the sole purposes of Russian territorial takeover. Are you aware that the majority of the victims in this war so far might in fact be Russophone? These may be by the way some of the last Russophones outside of Russia's borders.

    You may dislike that some people here express much more nuanced and diverse opinions than what everybody can read on CNN 24×7
     
    People here express "nuanced opinions" on both sides. If I disliked that, I wouldn't come here for my daily dose of fundie. For instance, utu has expressed very nuanced opinions that I find enjoyable. And I don't live off of a CNN & FB diet, it's a very small percentage of what I watch.

    With a facebook-tier censorship on this blog that made everybody conform to the dominant narrative, I doubt you’d find it worthwhile to comment here.
     
    Very convenient to deem anyone that posts what you don't like a potential facebook chekist. I have never called for any kind of censorship of these comments and wouldn't, even if I had the power over it. So wrong address, buddy.

    I'm not going to pry as to why your friend decided to fight against the interests of his own people, but, please, understand that those of us with normal healthy instincts do not consider that some civilizational or moral achievement.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

  965. @Thulean Friend
    @AaronB

    Don't let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a "noble savage" has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don't eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn't hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.

    There is no point in being sentimental. Humanity is the apex on this planet and we shouldn't be squeamish about it.

    Trying to solve the great challenges of our time by moving backwards into petty barbarism solves nothing. We can only innovate ourselves out of problems. Declinism is a trap, a burning house with no exits. Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!

    Replies: @AaronB, @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

    Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying.

    False dichotomy. Humanity is permanently stuck on planet earth sans (so far mythological) zero point energy. The third option is a small subset of self appointed masters will extinguish the 99% of us, including you and I, they classify as useless eaters.

    H. G. Wells et al wrote most of it down. The most digestible presentation was in Huxley’s Brave New World. That book is pretty close to their business plan.

  966. @AaronB
    @Yevardian

    Thanks.

    I have heard it's a book of genius and rich insight.

    I believe Mcgilchrist says he builds on this book and has found it made an important contribution to his own thought, although his ideas are importantly different.

    I definitely will check it out.

    To me, true insanity are those books that trap me in an abstract web of self sufficient logic that is detached from reality and forced in on itself.

    Books that "expand" my mind and return me to the larger picture feel like a return to reality and sanity.

    Still, I shall have to see.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    McGilchrist and Jaynes are peas in a pod. It is not a genius insight pod. It is more akin to idiot savant.

    The left brain right brain thing is a theory built upon data from defective brains.

    I read a really great memoir from an MD which I have forgotten the title of a few years ago. One thing that really stuck with me from it is brain surgery is thought to be super high tech with the top geniuses but the reality is that nobody chooses to go into brain surgery. All the patients are dead or soon-to-be-dead. The profession has a memorable and ghastly saying.

    You will never be the same once the air hits your brain.

    The greatest advance in brain science of all time was done by the Russian Alexander Luria. He had a great advantage over all of the competition in that he had unfettered access to an effectively endless supply of messed up brains from wounded soldiers during the great patriotic War.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The science is highly interesting, but the really important thing here is the "typology".

    Mcgilchrist describes "cognitive styles", and how the world looks, and what happens, when one or the other is dominant, or when they cooperate or one excludes the other.

    The fact that patients with damage to the right or left hemisphere begin to display aspects of these "cognitive styles" is fascinating but not essential to the books insights.

    For instance, people without brain damage who adopt a hyper-rationalist cognitive style display paranoid and delusive traits, fail to see the large picture, have a significantly more pronounced Dunning Kruger effect, and develop an incapacity to see their limitations and a blind arrogance.

    It's easy to see why adopting a primary cognitive orientation of "breaking down" wholes into parts would lead to exactly these traits.

    That people with damage to the right hemisphere - but not people with damage to the left - immediately develop these traits even if they never displayed them before, and people without brain damage who exhibit these traits display elevated left hemisphere activity, is fascinating and highly supportive of the hemisphere hypothesis.

    But it doesn't really matter - what matters is the how the cognitive styles manifest in the world and what this says about our current culture.

    All of this has been said in various forms by the world's great spiritual traditions.

    The striking impact of Mcgilchrist is that never before has such a compressive summary on such lucid terms been given, surveying the world's great cultures, and never before has it been linked to scientific discoveries - this last isn't essential, but in our modern scientistic times it it is an important bridge to these ancient insights.

  967. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikel


    Whatever happened in Bucha, I’m finding the MSM hysteria more and more unbearable. The BBC “fact checkers” concluded last week that they were unable to “verify” the video of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in their legs. But they didn’t even try to verify anything before becoming part of the propaganda machine set up to stoke horror in the public about the alleged Russian atrocities in Bucha. The possibility that some of those dead civilians could potentially be victims of the hunt of collaborators by the Ukrainians (that they had announced themselves) apparently didn’t even cross their minds.
     
    Do you find that the horrific scenes of senseless slaughter, destruction of people's homes, stories of rape and pillage "unbearable" because they're an accurate reflection of what Russian military soldiers have perpetrated in places like Bucha (Mariupol, Irpin, Izum and many other places too), or because you really think that these scenes reflect the staged conduct of Ukrainian soldiers trying to gain the opprobrium of world opinion against forces from Russia? What exactly were these everyday citizens doing that necessitated the savage and criminal activity that was visited upon them?

    I'm not denying that savage and uncontrolled behavior has been visited upon these uninvited Russian guests, but I find your remarks to reflect the opinions of perhaps some real inherent Ukrainapobic feelings that you've managed to acquire somewhere, sometime in the past. You seem to be lopsidedly emphasizing the repercussions meted out to 1% of the foreign invaders, while shielding yourself from the truth meted out to 99% of the innocent civilians? Remember, I'm the one who once took your concerns about the Ukrainian bombing of a postal office in Donbas by Ukrainian soldiers seriously? I thought that you really were an individual that was concerned about the welfare of civilians caught in the midst of activities related to wartime activities? It looks to me that your prism of observation is hugely influenced by the ethnicity of the perpetrators of atrocities: Russians get a greenlight, Ukrainians do not. There is just too much documented evidence that exposes the war crimes perpetrated indicating genocide in these area, too many eyewitness accounts by individuals trapped in these areas, to try and sweep it all under some rug.

    https://youtu.be/FDMprMAoINU
    Dismiss scenes of Russian torture chambers in Bucha where civilians were executed by Russian soldiers, by a "hysterical" western "propaganda machine" motivated to unfairly criticize Russian behavior in Ukraine? Is it fake news, like Lavrov and Mikel seem to be claiming?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Peter Frost

    Do you find that the horrific scenes of senseless slaughter, destruction of people’s homes, stories of rape and pillage “unbearable” because they’re an accurate reflection of what Russian military soldiers have perpetrated in places like Bucha (Mariupol …

    In the case of Mariupol, they’re certainly an accurate reflection of what Ukrainian “soldiers” have perpetrated.

    As for Bucha, I have trouble believing that dead bodies could be left in the open for so long and show no signs of being eaten by stray dogs. If you know anything about Ukrainian towns, they have very large numbers of hungry stray dogs, as well as crows and rats.

    I guess the retreating Russian soldiers sprayed the bodies with cyanide. In fact, they did everything possible to maximize the shock effect.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Peter Frost

    Well, it's my understanding that the Russians left Bucha on 3/31, and the Ukrainians didn't arrive till 4/02. Two days of decomposing wouldn't be an incredibly long time. A lot of those killed were already unceremoniously dumped into mass graves, so I'm not sure if scavenging animals would be able to further desecrate these bodies?

    I will state one thing though that doesn't possibly support the Ukrainian narrative, or was just odd. Watching some video clips of reporters examining some of the dead bodies, I noticed that some of these individuals didn't seem to be phased at all with the horrific stench of decomposing bodies. A few got up real close and unveiled some of the bodies and didn't seem to be taken back by the stench. Even after 2 days, with temperatures in the low 60's, I would think that more of these individuals would be propelled backwards, or would try to cover-up their nasal passages. I don't know whether the surrounding area was just permeated with the smell of death and they'd gotten used to this acrid odor, or what?

    , @no_bs
    @Peter Frost

    This victim of a Russian execution in Bucha already looks like a mummy, so he's been there for at least a couple of weeks.

    https://twitter.com/AvakovArsen/status/1510909132437704704/photo/3

    All of the faces of the victims in Bucha look like this, and that's exactly how they should look after at least a week in the open.

    You haven't even bothered to seek out any images of their faces. So quit making things up.

  968. @Yevardian
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't know, maybe I'll give it a listen on the weekend on x2 speed for a walk, if someone decent like Glen Greenwald or Mearsheimer is interviewing him. But it seems like this Ritter (personal baggage aside) character is just someone who had bitter experience with Neoconservatives and Israel-firsters taking over American politics, and so reflexively and uncritically went over to the opposite side, hopefully he's somewhat better than contrarian idiots like George Galloway.
    I also don't know what new info there could be not already circulating all over Russian or Armenian media, none of whom seem as bullish on *Z* war as him, or (say) the iSteve commentariat at this stage.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I haven’t actually come out and endorsed Ritter and his views. I listened to most of the interview, mostly because it was presented by Ron Unz, and he seemed reasonably impressed with the contents. Also, I need to know what the pro-Putinoids are pushing these days too. You may read my succinct review of the interview within comment #935. AP is certainly more familiar with Mr. Ritter and his views than I am, and doesn’t seem to be very impressed. I queeried him about his opinion about the man and his stances, and am yet waiting to hear back from him (see his comment #945 and mine #959)….

  969. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    McGilchrist and Jaynes are peas in a pod. It is not a genius insight pod. It is more akin to idiot savant.

    The left brain right brain thing is a theory built upon data from defective brains.

    I read a really great memoir from an MD which I have forgotten the title of a few years ago. One thing that really stuck with me from it is brain surgery is thought to be super high tech with the top geniuses but the reality is that nobody chooses to go into brain surgery. All the patients are dead or soon-to-be-dead. The profession has a memorable and ghastly saying.

    You will never be the same once the air hits your brain.

    The greatest advance in brain science of all time was done by the Russian Alexander Luria. He had a great advantage over all of the competition in that he had unfettered access to an effectively endless supply of messed up brains from wounded soldiers during the great patriotic War.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/046509208X/

    Replies: @AaronB

    The science is highly interesting, but the really important thing here is the “typology”.

    Mcgilchrist describes “cognitive styles”, and how the world looks, and what happens, when one or the other is dominant, or when they cooperate or one excludes the other.

    The fact that patients with damage to the right or left hemisphere begin to display aspects of these “cognitive styles” is fascinating but not essential to the books insights.

    For instance, people without brain damage who adopt a hyper-rationalist cognitive style display paranoid and delusive traits, fail to see the large picture, have a significantly more pronounced Dunning Kruger effect, and develop an incapacity to see their limitations and a blind arrogance.

    It’s easy to see why adopting a primary cognitive orientation of “breaking down” wholes into parts would lead to exactly these traits.

    That people with damage to the right hemisphere – but not people with damage to the left – immediately develop these traits even if they never displayed them before, and people without brain damage who exhibit these traits display elevated left hemisphere activity, is fascinating and highly supportive of the hemisphere hypothesis.

    But it doesn’t really matter – what matters is the how the cognitive styles manifest in the world and what this says about our current culture.

    All of this has been said in various forms by the world’s great spiritual traditions.

    The striking impact of Mcgilchrist is that never before has such a compressive summary on such lucid terms been given, surveying the world’s great cultures, and never before has it been linked to scientific discoveries – this last isn’t essential, but in our modern scientistic times it it is an important bridge to these ancient insights.

  970. @Peter Frost
    @Mr. Hack

    Do you find that the horrific scenes of senseless slaughter, destruction of people’s homes, stories of rape and pillage “unbearable” because they’re an accurate reflection of what Russian military soldiers have perpetrated in places like Bucha (Mariupol ...

    In the case of Mariupol, they're certainly an accurate reflection of what Ukrainian "soldiers" have perpetrated.

    As for Bucha, I have trouble believing that dead bodies could be left in the open for so long and show no signs of being eaten by stray dogs. If you know anything about Ukrainian towns, they have very large numbers of hungry stray dogs, as well as crows and rats.

    I guess the retreating Russian soldiers sprayed the bodies with cyanide. In fact, they did everything possible to maximize the shock effect.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @no_bs

    Well, it’s my understanding that the Russians left Bucha on 3/31, and the Ukrainians didn’t arrive till 4/02. Two days of decomposing wouldn’t be an incredibly long time. A lot of those killed were already unceremoniously dumped into mass graves, so I’m not sure if scavenging animals would be able to further desecrate these bodies?

    I will state one thing though that doesn’t possibly support the Ukrainian narrative, or was just odd. Watching some video clips of reporters examining some of the dead bodies, I noticed that some of these individuals didn’t seem to be phased at all with the horrific stench of decomposing bodies. A few got up real close and unveiled some of the bodies and didn’t seem to be taken back by the stench. Even after 2 days, with temperatures in the low 60’s, I would think that more of these individuals would be propelled backwards, or would try to cover-up their nasal passages. I don’t know whether the surrounding area was just permeated with the smell of death and they’d gotten used to this acrid odor, or what?

  971. @AaronB
    @Barbarossa

    Definitely agree - I am unfortunately nowhere near where I should be and want to be in terms of aligning myself with a more natural lifestyle. I do think however that every small step in that direction is worthwhile.

    I admire and appreciate the fact that you farm. I'd be quite prepared to pay more for high quality farm and artisan food. The raw milk I buy is $11 per gallon, which is expensive but fair and worth it.

    Food is absurdly cheap these days anyway, and if you eat reasonably even a modest budget can afford high quality items.

    My personal ideal in terms of living naturally probably involves spending substantial time in the wilderness, but I'd like to at least grow my own vegetables and perhaps keep a few chickens.

    While I appreciate Silvio's larger point, primitive tribes would barter and trade for items they didn't produce, so buying some foods doesn't seem unnatural - but I would prefer to barter for it :)

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa

    My personal ideal in terms of living naturally probably involves spending substantial time in the wilderness, but I’d like to at least grow my own vegetables and perhaps keep a few chickens.

    The house I grew up in, my parents grew vegetables and kept chickens. The house sat on a sizeable lot; not huge, but plenty of space for this sort of thing. My parents were keen to pass on their knowledge in this sphere (which wasn’t much, but nothing either). As a kid, I found it all terribly tedious, and I ditched those chores the first chance I got.

    Yet I’m still able to recall numerous memories of planting the veggies, tending to the garden, watching them sprout and grow; and of my father slaughtering chickens (they run about for a few seconds with their heads cut off, which I found hilarious), and my mother plucking them and preparing to cook them. Also of village feasts during childhood trips to Yugoslavia and Greece, where I witnessed pigs and lambs slaughtered, and their innards spilling out, which I found utterly revolting.

    I would readily agree that people who engage in these activities really do live closer to nature than those who manipulate abstract symbols for a living. Do they live better? I don’t know, maybe. But that life isn’t for me, I think I can safely say that much.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    There are different ways to live closer to nature, and gardening and vegetable growing are probably really something you can appreciate only when you're older.

    Younger people should probably be having adventures in the wilderness.

    There's also a level where city life can be exciting during a stage of ones life, as it was for me - but even here, there are cities closer to nature and those far from nature.

    A typical modern American city, designed around cars and spread out on a grid, with everything zoned and tightly controlled, provides nothing even remotely close to an older style city with it's exciting dense buildings, stores, and crowds, creating a sense of revelry and festivity, with narrow lanes leaning to serendipitous discoveries, and with everything human scale, aesthetic, and far less controlled and rigid.

    Modern American "rational" cities that are "efficient" and "utilitarian" and utterly remote from natural rhythms and processes are alienating and traumatic.

    So there are stages in life, etc, but at every level, when one is closer to natural patterns and rhythms and not to "rational" and "logical" ones one is having so much more fun!

    The chaos of Tokyo is so much more fun than Houston Tx for instance!

    As for you? Everyone has a different level at which they want to connect to nature - but even if you're still hooked on the excitement of city life, more natural patterned cities are so much better.

    Also, you really need the proper spiritual framework to appreciate the richness of a simple life close to nature, and to have gone through the disillusioning process of first tasting artificiality to the utmost may be absolutely necessary!

    Replies: @Dmitry

  972. @AaronB
    Augusto Del Noce makes a point that I found fascinating.

    A technological society does not automatically become totalitarian - the intervening idea that makes it totalitarian is that science is the only cognitive mode that brings knowledge.

    This happened late in western history.

    But once this transition is made, science becomes "scientism".

    At that point, rational persuasion is no longer attempted, but it is assumed that anyone who opposes scientism (and it's cultural concomitants, like Woke) is doing so for psychological reasons and must be reformed or suppressed.

    That's roughly where we are now - opponents of the mainstream consensus are simply assumed to be irrational and either suppressed or subjected to attempts at reformation.

    But what would a society that is technological and scientific but nevertheless acknowledged other modes of knowing look like?

    It's hard to say. Although the West acknowledged other forms of knowing until relatively late, it was always on the path towards finally considering logic and analysis the sole cognitive modes - to drastically limiting the full range of human cognition, and becoming "stupid".

    I think it's time we accept that the analytical and logical cognitive mode can give power, but cannot give understanding, and modern society had to embrace stupidity in order to become powerful.

    Nietzsche used to say power makes one stupid, in the sense that brute force does not need subtlety or a supple intellect, it can just smash it's way through obstacles. Strength does not need intelligence.

    To what extent the power of modern scientific society has lost subtlety and suppleness of intellect as the result of it's vast increase in power, intellect being a luxury it can now dispense with, is an interesting question.

    But to further develop Nietzsche's theme - to become powerful one must sacrifice understanding and intelligence.

    Everyone knows that logic and analysis proceeds by simple, clear ideas purged of all indistinctness, and utilizes simple and relatively few categories.(syllogisms, law of non contradiction, etc).

    Such a severe limiting of cognitive range can certainly confer power - all limitations of attention and consciousness on a single point in order to exert force does that - but at the obvious cost of intelligence.

    None of this is to deny value to logic - it is very valuable in it's proper place. But to limit oneself to it is to become stupid.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    At that point, rational persuasion is no longer attempted, but it is assumed that anyone who opposes scientism (and it’s cultural concomitants, like Woke) is doing so for psychological reasons and must be reformed or suppressed.

    I understand you have your reasons for considering wokism a cultural concomitant of what you (somewhat unfairly) term “scientism,” but you could at least acknowledge that woke ideas find no scientific support; actual science completely contradicts them. Wokism is, in fact, the epitome of pseudoscience – that label wokists and their libtard dupes shamelessly (one might even say Jewishly) hurl at their opponents.

    Everyone knows that logic and analysis proceeds by simple, clear ideas purged of all indistinctness, and utilizes simple and relatively few categories.(syllogisms, law of non contradiction, etc).

    Yes, if only we could freely contradict ourselves, what multitudes we might discover we contain.

    And if nothing else, freeing ourselves from the constraints of non-contradiction would surely lead to greater social harmony, right?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    Of course, but that woke isn't supported by true science just makes it all the more a feature of scientism.

    Scientism is defined by being unprovable and even irrational - it is the belief that only logic and reason can provide us with truth. This has to be accepted on faith, against much evidence.

    Scientism is an uncompelled choice to fly in the face of reality and assert ones will against it - like Woke.

    True science, on the other hand, is deeply humble and receptive to receiving instruction from the real world. Scientism is in a deep sense deeply unscientific in the true sense. True science would admit it's own limitations.

    As for the law of non contradiction, many scientists have discovered as they proceeded that it does not hold at deep levels.

    Niels Bohr said that simple truths are not contradictory, but deep truths are always characterized by the opposite being equally true.

    On the simple level, you either ate eggs for breakfast or you didn't. On the deep level, a particle can somehow act as both a wave and a particle at once, and can be in two places at once, and space is curved.

    Had superficial thinkers relentlessly stuck to the law of non contradiction, the entire field of quantum mechanics, which has transformed our lives, would not have been discovered.

    On the philosophical and spiritual level, the same "coincidence of opposites" has been discovered as the deep structure of reality.

    To be unaware of this and to live in an either/or world is to live in a cognitively simplified and impoverished world.

    It's the same thing with Descartes preference for clear and distinct ideas - to live in a perfectly clear world, is to banish so much of the richness of intuition and emotion from your life, leaving you stupid.

    As we moderns are.

  973. @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    My personal ideal in terms of living naturally probably involves spending substantial time in the wilderness, but I’d like to at least grow my own vegetables and perhaps keep a few chickens.
     
    The house I grew up in, my parents grew vegetables and kept chickens. The house sat on a sizeable lot; not huge, but plenty of space for this sort of thing. My parents were keen to pass on their knowledge in this sphere (which wasn't much, but nothing either). As a kid, I found it all terribly tedious, and I ditched those chores the first chance I got.

    Yet I'm still able to recall numerous memories of planting the veggies, tending to the garden, watching them sprout and grow; and of my father slaughtering chickens (they run about for a few seconds with their heads cut off, which I found hilarious), and my mother plucking them and preparing to cook them. Also of village feasts during childhood trips to Yugoslavia and Greece, where I witnessed pigs and lambs slaughtered, and their innards spilling out, which I found utterly revolting.

    I would readily agree that people who engage in these activities really do live closer to nature than those who manipulate abstract symbols for a living. Do they live better? I don't know, maybe. But that life isn't for me, I think I can safely say that much.

    Replies: @AaronB

    There are different ways to live closer to nature, and gardening and vegetable growing are probably really something you can appreciate only when you’re older.

    Younger people should probably be having adventures in the wilderness.

    There’s also a level where city life can be exciting during a stage of ones life, as it was for me – but even here, there are cities closer to nature and those far from nature.

    A typical modern American city, designed around cars and spread out on a grid, with everything zoned and tightly controlled, provides nothing even remotely close to an older style city with it’s exciting dense buildings, stores, and crowds, creating a sense of revelry and festivity, with narrow lanes leaning to serendipitous discoveries, and with everything human scale, aesthetic, and far less controlled and rigid.

    Modern American “rational” cities that are “efficient” and “utilitarian” and utterly remote from natural rhythms and processes are alienating and traumatic.

    So there are stages in life, etc, but at every level, when one is closer to natural patterns and rhythms and not to “rational” and “logical” ones one is having so much more fun!

    The chaos of Tokyo is so much more fun than Houston Tx for instance!

    As for you? Everyone has a different level at which they want to connect to nature – but even if you’re still hooked on the excitement of city life, more natural patterned cities are so much better.

    Also, you really need the proper spiritual framework to appreciate the richness of a simple life close to nature, and to have gone through the disillusioning process of first tasting artificiality to the utmost may be absolutely necessary!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    American city, designed around cars and spread out on a grid, with
     
    American "romantic city" atmosphere was very damaged by the introduction of the car during the 20th century (and there is some state capture in America by the automaking and oil industry involved).

    But the grid is not a bad thing and is today aspect of some of the more beautiful urban areas in America (e.g. Manhattan, central San Francisco).

    Cul-de-sac construction used from 1930s, after introduction of automobiles, is more of a problem probably. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9vDcfH03gs.


    Modern American “rational” cities that are “efficient” and “utilitarian” and utterly remote
     
    Compared to cities like Tokyo, they are probably less "rational" or "efficient".

    For example, if we judge in terms of concepts like energy efficiency or throughput. Or in terms of commercial value (Tokyo's model surely generates more commercial activity, especially for small businesses, than some Los Angeles style automobile city)


    Everyone has a different level at which they want to connect to nature –
     
    For living, as opposed to investment, most people likely like a balance of city life with garden that allows you to grow a few vegetables or trees.

    Probably, the greatest balance was created by English architects, in 19th century and early 20th century, for the urban bourgeoisie. This is seen in cities like London.

    In Manhattan context which is very space restriction, this kind of house (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z76MiQv0zg.) is what most New Yorker families would probably like to live with (if they could pay the $17,5 million she sold it at). You have a garden, with a private access to a "mini nature". Maybe you could even grow your "organic kale" there, if there is some sun. At the same time, you are in convenient, pre-automobile, city area, where you can walk to shops. This is the 19th century middle class urban peoples' preference.

    Replies: @AaronB

  974. @Thulean Friend
    @AaronB

    Don't let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a "noble savage" has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don't eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn't hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.

    There is no point in being sentimental. Humanity is the apex on this planet and we shouldn't be squeamish about it.

    Trying to solve the great challenges of our time by moving backwards into petty barbarism solves nothing. We can only innovate ourselves out of problems. Declinism is a trap, a burning house with no exits. Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!

    Replies: @AaronB, @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

    Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!

    While I could have no higher appreciation of the sentiment expressed, it does sound strange coming from your lips. Are we but “manoids” polluting this good earth, and spoiling it for the other creatures, all of whom are nobler and more deserving than us, or are we near-gods destined to spread our seed throughout the galaxy? Seems to me you ought to make your mind up.

  975. @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    At that point, rational persuasion is no longer attempted, but it is assumed that anyone who opposes scientism (and it’s cultural concomitants, like Woke) is doing so for psychological reasons and must be reformed or suppressed.
     
    I understand you have your reasons for considering wokism a cultural concomitant of what you (somewhat unfairly) term "scientism," but you could at least acknowledge that woke ideas find no scientific support; actual science completely contradicts them. Wokism is, in fact, the epitome of pseudoscience - that label wokists and their libtard dupes shamelessly (one might even say Jewishly) hurl at their opponents.

    Everyone knows that logic and analysis proceeds by simple, clear ideas purged of all indistinctness, and utilizes simple and relatively few categories.(syllogisms, law of non contradiction, etc).
     
    Yes, if only we could freely contradict ourselves, what multitudes we might discover we contain.

    And if nothing else, freeing ourselves from the constraints of non-contradiction would surely lead to greater social harmony, right?

    Replies: @AaronB

    Of course, but that woke isn’t supported by true science just makes it all the more a feature of scientism.

    Scientism is defined by being unprovable and even irrational – it is the belief that only logic and reason can provide us with truth. This has to be accepted on faith, against much evidence.

    Scientism is an uncompelled choice to fly in the face of reality and assert ones will against it – like Woke.

    True science, on the other hand, is deeply humble and receptive to receiving instruction from the real world. Scientism is in a deep sense deeply unscientific in the true sense. True science would admit it’s own limitations.

    As for the law of non contradiction, many scientists have discovered as they proceeded that it does not hold at deep levels.

    Niels Bohr said that simple truths are not contradictory, but deep truths are always characterized by the opposite being equally true.

    On the simple level, you either ate eggs for breakfast or you didn’t. On the deep level, a particle can somehow act as both a wave and a particle at once, and can be in two places at once, and space is curved.

    Had superficial thinkers relentlessly stuck to the law of non contradiction, the entire field of quantum mechanics, which has transformed our lives, would not have been discovered.

    On the philosophical and spiritual level, the same “coincidence of opposites” has been discovered as the deep structure of reality.

    To be unaware of this and to live in an either/or world is to live in a cognitively simplified and impoverished world.

    It’s the same thing with Descartes preference for clear and distinct ideas – to live in a perfectly clear world, is to banish so much of the richness of intuition and emotion from your life, leaving you stupid.

    As we moderns are.

  976. @Wokechoke
    @Aedib

    Mariupol isn’t a cauldron. It’s more of a siege.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Agree. A cauldron works when long distance artillery can be used.

  977. @Thulean Friend
    @Mikel


    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin’s puppets
     
    I give AP a lot of slack since he has "skin in the game" as they say, he has relatives and friends in direct harm's way in Ukraine. It's the country that he feels closest to, on par with the one he lives in now. Given such intense emotional bonds, I don't fault him for lashing out, even if I've tried to tell him multiple times that Ukraine is cynically used by the West to bleed out Russia and that there is zero real concern for ordinary Ukrainians in Western capitals.

    AP's always struck me as a gentleman and if I were in his position, I doubt I'd keep my cool as well as he has given the circumstances. He is remarkably restrained, and we should all learn from him.

    I have less understanding for clueless boomers like utu losing his mind with his demented calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ, which I take as a sign of mental frailty and incipient stages of alzheimers and/or dementia.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Dmitry, @AP

    AP’s texts have always been more “kremlinbot” than my views. And my views more “kremlinbot” than most Russians outside Russia.

    When topic discussion was Russia (which I know is boring topic for 90% of people on the forum, but we were a lot of time talking about it in this forum because of bloghost obsession) I was always writing to AP comments like “maybe it’s not a good idea when they use much of the country’s money and pile it in the centre of Moscow to impress Western bourgeoisie.”

    I’m here who reveals fake news about Ukraine vs Russia, that posted by the blog, whereas the other ones sponsoring it. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/ukraine-returns-to-tradition/#comment-3898004

    I have never been even (to be honest) interested in Ukraine, but it’s still somehow nobody else even wants to explain when there is fake news.

    Also I was writing to him that Mariupol looks like a nice city.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-86/#comment-3396043
    Or Donetsk
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/foreign-fighters-in-ukraine/#comment-3500359

    That is a sad topic. But you know relative for income level and historical time of construction, those parts of Ukraine, were obviously not such bad places before war.

  978. AP says:
    @Yevardian
    @AP


    They are about as distant as German is from Dutch. Ukraine has a more complex grammar and is more “archaic”
     
    Just curious, it what respects? I barely know any Ukrainian, but I know it has the a synthetic-future conjugation, unlike any other Slavic language, but that's an innovative feature, not an archaism. And Ukrainian shares with Russian the lack of copula, which every other Slavic language has.

    To have more complex grammar than Russian isn't exactly a mean feat, I think only Polish (I find it funny that even Russians find Polish to be a tongue-twister) compares to it, from all surviving Indo-European languages. Well, perhaps Baltic languages still retain conjugations and morphology long lost by all the others, but I just don't know anything about them. Transitional/borderland languages with heavy outside influence/borrowing (English, Persian) usually have less complex grammar. Perhaps Czech (I don't know any) could be another exception in being a highly complex border-tongue, though it seems German influence had much less influence on Czech than Hungarian did on its gramatically much simpler Slovak neighbor.

    Replies: @AP, @AP

    Here is the quote:

    ““…modern Russian, from the historic perspective, is a very young and largely artificially created language, a sort of Esperanto; and it hasn’t had enough time, unlike Ukrainian, to develop the variety of linguistic forms and shortcuts that emerge only when a language is used naturally and for a long period of time by common people communicating with one another daily , rather than via being concocted in an ivory tower. As a result, there’re thousands of Ukrainian shortcut adverbs (e.g.: торік, чимдуж, etc.) that can be expressed in Russian only by using a combination of three separate words. Likewise, Ukrainian has three single-word superlative degrees, while Russian has only one…Ukrainian has single-word forms of Future Imperfect (e.g. матиму, матимемо, матимеш, матиме, матимуть) completely absent from Russian. Ukrainian has the Plus Quam Perfectum tense (e.g. він почав був читати, та його зупинили); Russian doesn’t. And the list goes on and on.

    Another example: “the single-word Future Imperfect (майбутній час недоконаного виду) that is absent from Russian where it can be formed only with the Future form of the auxiliary verb “to be”. E.g. “We will live” in Russian can be formed only as “Мы будем жить”, whereas in Ukrainian, both as “Ми житимемо” (one word for “will live”) and “Ми будемо жити” (“to be” in the Future + Infinitive). Another tense Russian doesn’t have is Plus Quam Perfectum (Past Perfect in English) called in Ukrainian “давноминулий час” and indicating an action finished before some moment in the past, e.g. “Я був читав”.

    While in U, all of the above forms were present in common everyday speech in the 1700′s (that’s the speech and vocabulary Kotliarevsky used to write “The Aeneid” published in 1798), R at the time was a mere rudiment of what it has become after Pushkin and is today.”

    • Thanks: Yevardian
  979. AP says:
    @Yevardian
    @Thulean Friend

    Yes, those constant spats became so constant and tedious, dominating every thread, while the rest of unz flooded with floomers, I just stopped bothering to visit (probably a habit I should have kept). I think just came back curious to see what people thought of the 2020 Armenia-Azerbaijan war.


    Don’t let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a “noble savage” has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don’t eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn’t hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.
     
    I'm still waiting for AaronB to get into Breatharianism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

    Although since he enjoys this wacky stuff, I'd actually seriously recommend he try reading Julian Jaynes 'The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind', one of those books that stays with forever after reading it, just one of the strangest curios ever published. If you allow yourself to accept the very compelling internal logic Jayne uses, you can can practically feel the fabric of your own sanity coming under attack, its quite impressive, like reading Leibniz in that respect.

    Replies: @AaronB, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    Although since he enjoys this wacky stuff, I’d actually seriously recommend he try reading Julian Jaynes ‘The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind’, one of those books that stays with forever after reading it, just one of the strangest curios ever published. If you allow yourself to accept the very compelling internal logic Jayne uses, you can can practically feel the fabric of your own sanity coming under attack, its quite impressive, like reading Leibniz in that respect.

    Heartily agree with this.

  980. Is Biden a refutation of the idea that the elites have advanced anti-aging technology?

  981. @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    There are different ways to live closer to nature, and gardening and vegetable growing are probably really something you can appreciate only when you're older.

    Younger people should probably be having adventures in the wilderness.

    There's also a level where city life can be exciting during a stage of ones life, as it was for me - but even here, there are cities closer to nature and those far from nature.

    A typical modern American city, designed around cars and spread out on a grid, with everything zoned and tightly controlled, provides nothing even remotely close to an older style city with it's exciting dense buildings, stores, and crowds, creating a sense of revelry and festivity, with narrow lanes leaning to serendipitous discoveries, and with everything human scale, aesthetic, and far less controlled and rigid.

    Modern American "rational" cities that are "efficient" and "utilitarian" and utterly remote from natural rhythms and processes are alienating and traumatic.

    So there are stages in life, etc, but at every level, when one is closer to natural patterns and rhythms and not to "rational" and "logical" ones one is having so much more fun!

    The chaos of Tokyo is so much more fun than Houston Tx for instance!

    As for you? Everyone has a different level at which they want to connect to nature - but even if you're still hooked on the excitement of city life, more natural patterned cities are so much better.

    Also, you really need the proper spiritual framework to appreciate the richness of a simple life close to nature, and to have gone through the disillusioning process of first tasting artificiality to the utmost may be absolutely necessary!

    Replies: @Dmitry

    American city, designed around cars and spread out on a grid, with

    American “romantic city” atmosphere was very damaged by the introduction of the car during the 20th century (and there is some state capture in America by the automaking and oil industry involved).

    But the grid is not a bad thing and is today aspect of some of the more beautiful urban areas in America (e.g. Manhattan, central San Francisco).

    Cul-de-sac construction used from 1930s, after introduction of automobiles, is more of a problem probably. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9vDcfH03gs.

    Modern American “rational” cities that are “efficient” and “utilitarian” and utterly remote

    Compared to cities like Tokyo, they are probably less “rational” or “efficient”.

    For example, if we judge in terms of concepts like energy efficiency or throughput. Or in terms of commercial value (Tokyo’s model surely generates more commercial activity, especially for small businesses, than some Los Angeles style automobile city)

    Everyone has a different level at which they want to connect to nature –

    For living, as opposed to investment, most people likely like a balance of city life with garden that allows you to grow a few vegetables or trees.

    Probably, the greatest balance was created by English architects, in 19th century and early 20th century, for the urban bourgeoisie. This is seen in cities like London.

    In Manhattan context which is very space restriction, this kind of house (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z76MiQv0zg.) is what most New Yorker families would probably like to live with (if they could pay the $17,5 million she sold it at). You have a garden, with a private access to a “mini nature”. Maybe you could even grow your “organic kale” there, if there is some sun. At the same time, you are in convenient, pre-automobile, city area, where you can walk to shops. This is the 19th century middle class urban peoples’ preference.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Cars definitely a big culprit!

    Manhattan is fairly unique among American cities, in that it creates the kind of festive revelry that emerges from density in urban landscape.

    Manhattan's grid-like pattern was created during a transitional phase where important features of the old European urban style were integrated into the new grid - so, you have beautiful European style squares and parks, with statues and fountains, like Union Square or Columbus Circle, that relieve the monotony of the grid and contribute grace and charm to the landscape.

    Also, many of the extremely tall buildings and even early skyscrapers, utilized fanciful European architectural motifs like crenellations, spires, and turrets, suggesting strange palaces and castles, and there is in general much visually eccentric and impressive architecture that draws from European tradition, as well as beautiful gothic churches.

    And the sheer height of the buildings create the effect of impressive natural formations like a canyon or giant cliffs, which adds drama and scale and a hint of nature.

    New York is a strange hybrid fusion, before the full age of rationality and efficiency swept all color, eccentricity, and beauty before it and created soulless monstrosities like Dallas TX.

    And even so, a visit to more traditional European style parts of town like Greanwich Village, or the meandering streets by the river that is now the Wall Street are and used to be the original old town, gives one an idea of what has been lost.

    Despite all this, the intensely fascinating side lanes and charmingly confused and mysterious urban street patterns, together with an unrivalled density of commercial and human activity in a riot of festive bright lights, and intimate and charming places to eat or drink, that exist in a city like Tokyo, or Bangkok, or Saigon, or older European cities before they became boring, has no analogue in the US.

    It is true, however, that a grid need not spell death to charm if the riotous fecundity of nature is allowed to burst forth in other ways and things aren't tightly controlled and sanitized.

    Yes, London does seem like a very compelling and charming and eccentric urban design, and it is notably more "medieval" and less rational and logical in design than post-Haussman Paris with it's monotonpus Grands Boulevards, while retaining grand imperial architecture befitting a city of it's rank.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Dmitry

  982. @AaronB
    @Barbarossa

    Definitely agree - I am unfortunately nowhere near where I should be and want to be in terms of aligning myself with a more natural lifestyle. I do think however that every small step in that direction is worthwhile.

    I admire and appreciate the fact that you farm. I'd be quite prepared to pay more for high quality farm and artisan food. The raw milk I buy is $11 per gallon, which is expensive but fair and worth it.

    Food is absurdly cheap these days anyway, and if you eat reasonably even a modest budget can afford high quality items.

    My personal ideal in terms of living naturally probably involves spending substantial time in the wilderness, but I'd like to at least grow my own vegetables and perhaps keep a few chickens.

    While I appreciate Silvio's larger point, primitive tribes would barter and trade for items they didn't produce, so buying some foods doesn't seem unnatural - but I would prefer to barter for it :)

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa

    I feel that I owe you an apology for my last comment. It was dashed off in haste this morning and in retrospect it seemed very judgemental and distasteful sounding, especially because it was addressed Emil Nikola Richard and not yourself. I certainly don’t have any right to be making authoritative pronouncements about your life (or anyone else’s on here, for that matter!) I hope you’ll accept my sincere apologies for any potential offense given.

    In the end there are a lot of ways around the barn and if we were all doing the same thing it would be a dull stupid world. In many ways the impression given in that comment doesn’t reflect my thinking.

    So, please continue to follow your pursuit of truth wherever it may lead and ignore any heckling from the peanut gallery!

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Barbarossa

    Thank you for this very gracious apology indeed :) But truly it is not necessary.

    I took your remarks in a positive spirit, as I know it was intended, and there is indeed a useful truth in it - I myself have been thinking that I must bring my life more fully into line with my spiritual beliefs lately.

    So cheers for the apology, and cheers for the insight!

  983. @AaronB
    @Thulean Friend

    I am familiar with this vision :)


    Humanity is destined to reach for the stars or die trying. Embrace the human spirit!
     
    This is a noble vision and one with which I agree in principle - however, it is the "shadow" of the true vision.

    What you are advocating for is "novelty" instead of "originality" - that we must explore new planets instead of deepening our wonder at the inexhaustible richness of this one.

    This is behind the modern restless search for "novelty" - when you view the world through the left hemisphere, through the "representations" that logic and reason give you, it quickly becomes over-familiar and boring, because you're seeing only a map and not engaging with the inexhaustible mystery of the real thing, with the experience of the real thing. Thus you need a constant stream of novelty.

    But the thinkers and poets, and religious movements, that I like most, understand that the true task is to constantly renew and refresh our engagement with the real thing, not the abstract map, and the familiar becomes ever new and inexhaustibly rich.

    In other words, engage with the world on the intuitive and direct level, on the level of experience, beyond mere logical "maps", the imaginative and affective, and the world is ever fresh and original.

    All novelty is a pale simulacrum of this richness.

    As for Barbarossa, I did not see him as bullying me :) He needed affirmation, and I was more than happy to give it. And Silvio and utu are just threatened by my vision.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    And Silvio and utu are just threatened by my vision.

    Not as long as it can be confined to yourself and a handful of likeminded souls. Knock yourself out. I’m more than happy for you to follow your own bliss.

    As far as I can tell, you haven’t really made any radical breaks anyway. To put it bluntly – and it wouldn’t be me if I weren’t being blunt – it seems mostly a LARP, a fantasy camp spiritualism. You’re Billy Crystal in City Slickers lol.

    On the other hand, if your values and the conceptual framework justifying them were to take root in society at large it would clearly be threatening, to me and to countless millions of others, and there’d be no shame in saying so.

    Per aaron.b ad astra!

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    I would never try and force my vision on you or anyone. The essence of my vision of returning to nature is non-coercive and rests on voluntary enthusiasm and participation.

    What would be the point of forcing someone to do what he hates or does not understand? People who are alienated from nature and without roots tend to compensate by seeking power over others. It's incompatible with my vision.

    What I would try and do is invite you to consider an alternative way of life, and evoke in you a sense of the beauty of it - with the full understanding that you have every right to reject my invitation.

    As I said, many people have to fully taste other ways of life before they can turn to spirituality, and earth can be seen as partly a school of education.

    In this conception, a "one size fits all approach" makes no spiritual sense.

    However, I would only ask that my right to pursue my alternative is likewise respected - and you must admit, that as the world stands now, it is my lifestyle that is threatened far more than yours.

    I am far more under threat.

    As for my values and ideals taking root in the culture at large, they could never do so fully and in a way that would impinge on your freedom - although I certainly work to make my ideas more popular and spread as far and wide as possible :)

    Replies: @silviosilver

  984. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Ron Unz apparently was impressed enough with "sex offender"(?) Scott Ritter's recent interview that he posted it above. I gave him my $.02 review of it after listening to a good chunk of it above too. Have you listened to it? What exact "idiotic claims and predictions" of Ritter's did you have in mind? Was it Triteleia Laxa that you were indicating "TL" within your comment or somebody else?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @A123

    “sex offender”(?) Scott Ritter’s recent interview that he posted it above. I gave him my $.02 review of it after listening to a good chunk of it above too.

    We have AP had a couple of Trolls pop up here hurling ludicrous accusations AK.

    Was Ritter ever convicted of anything? Failing that, is there anything credible in the charges?
    ____

    I found Ritter’s comments on hypersonic weapons to be highly questionable. He seemed like he was pushing an agenda, not presenting a complex case. Others have done better ha doing limited media time slots.

    Given his lack of credibility there, one has to be suspicious of Rider’s pronouncements about Ukraine. Did any media figure correctly call the pull back from Kiev? No one has presented a convincing prediction about future events.
    ___

    I admit I got it wrong.

    I was expecting continuing pressure around Kiev while holding back on “shock & awe” style artillery bludgeoning of the city itself. The return of a relatively unmolested Kiev to be the carrot that brought Zelensky to the table for a deal.

    This does not seem to be a true withdrawal by Russia. However, giving up hard won territory is counter intuitive.

    PEACE 😇

  985. AP says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @Mikel


    It would be tragicomic if we now have another split because part of the commentariat believes that those of us who oppose equally senseless WW3 are Putin’s puppets
     
    I give AP a lot of slack since he has "skin in the game" as they say, he has relatives and friends in direct harm's way in Ukraine. It's the country that he feels closest to, on par with the one he lives in now. Given such intense emotional bonds, I don't fault him for lashing out, even if I've tried to tell him multiple times that Ukraine is cynically used by the West to bleed out Russia and that there is zero real concern for ordinary Ukrainians in Western capitals.

    AP's always struck me as a gentleman and if I were in his position, I doubt I'd keep my cool as well as he has given the circumstances. He is remarkably restrained, and we should all learn from him.

    I have less understanding for clueless boomers like utu losing his mind with his demented calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ, which I take as a sign of mental frailty and incipient stages of alzheimers and/or dementia.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Dmitry, @AP

    Thank you for the kind words.

    utu losing his mind

    FWIW I suspect that utu is from Eastern Europe and probably is not far removed from outrages committed by Soviets, perhaps his parents were victims. But one shouldn’t have to have personal experiences to be utterly outraged by Russia’s actions in Ukraine. It only takes some decency.

    calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ

    He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (erven if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start “we will take no risks” is a green light for the Russians.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    I can’t go over the 3 post limit; I would respond to Mikel: I was outraged when he described the sad situation of the bombing of the Luhansk federal building as mass murder or a war crime (I do not feel like relitigating that here now). In that event, while the military commander of Luhansk forces (soon after they killed a bunch of Ukrainian border soldiers) was meeting in the municipal building a Ukrainian jet fired weapons at that specific building; sadly it missed and 7 or so civilians were killed in the square below. Ukraine at that time had no guided precision weapons so flying a jet up to the building and hitting it was as precise as could be done.

    Contrast that to what Russian forces are doing now: destroying entire cities and neighborhoods, beheading civilians, shooting (from ground level) fleeing civilian cars or people on the streets, even children. Shooting bound civilians in the head. And all these outrages are not even done in the context of some sort of internal rebellion (not that this would justify them) but as an invasion of another country.

    Sad and disgusting that many of the same characters howling about Ukrainian actions don’t condemn far worse Russian actions.

    • Replies: @utu
    @AP

    "It only takes some decency." - Thank you. People like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave each possibly for different reason arrived at the same position which was and still is (with the exception of G_r) to advocate Ukraine's surrender and accepting all Russia's demands. To me it is just the most obscene position one could take in the face of blatant military aggression of one state against another with the intention of liquidating the invaded state and liquidation of separate nationality by denying its existence. The objective of this Putin's war is de facto the ethnocide of Ukrainian nation.


    Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
     
    Regardless of their attempts to clarify and hypocritically dissimulate their position they are on the side of the aggressor. I have zero tolerance for it. At best they are Putin's useful idiots. Let's face the facts. Russia is weak on the battlefield. Her only strength is in the field of propaganda. Her success depends on undermining our resolve to oppose her. Russia counts on her useful idiots who are a part of much larger disinformation network that Russia has installed in the West. Useful idiots like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave are Putin weapons.

    "He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (even if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start “we will take no risks” is a green light for the Russians." - Thank you again. There are many reasons why the US and NATO should not have stated that nuclear weapons are off the table after Russia made explicit threats of using them.

    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict. Otherwise Ukraine regardless of Ukraine successes on the battlefield will remain under a permanent threat of escalation by Russia. NFZ would de facto mean accepting the sovereign state of Ukraine as a member of NATO. Sovereignty of Ukraine must be guaranteed against Russia's designs. There might be no other way to have a permanent and stable resolution for this war that denies Russia's objectives.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader, @Brás Cubas

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Sad and disgusting that many of the same characters howling about Ukrainian actions don’t condemn far worse Russian actions.
     
    Come on. Can't you guys get over this "if you don't howl together with me you are my enemy" attitude?

    The one thing I cannot be accused of is being inconsistent in my opposition to any harm to innocent civilians (and, considering the circumstances, I am not going to compare my stance to someone else's). My commenting history, conveniently available to anyone on unz.com, speaks for itself.

    I may have put more emphasis here or there and spent more time discussing this or that massacre, but the very same reasons that led me to oppose the Ukrainian military intervention in Donbass led me to express disgust with the Russian attack to Ukraine even when I only feared that it may take place but wasn't a certainty yet. I don't believe my position in this respect has been any less clear than any other non-partisan commenter's in this blog.

    More importantly perhaps, I have made sure to explain to anyone who cares to listen how I also oppose the atrocities committed by my Basque countrymen. And that's the one that really hurts.

    It is obviously true that what is happening now is much worse than what happened in Donbass. The moment we all learned that Russian troops were trying to capture multiple Ukrainian cities it was clear that this was going to be a carnage without precedents in recent European history. How could it not be so?

    But I don't quite recognize some of the specific atrocities you have mentioned, which is strange because, much to my family's detriment, I have spent one month trying to contrast sources and getting a more or less reliable picture of what is really happening. I have no problem believing that Russian soldiers have been able to do all of those things, just as the UN, HRW and Amnesty International documented cases of torture, disappearances and extrajudicial killings of people at the hands of Ukrainian forces. But sorry, I am not going to believe that anything has happened just because western media or Ukrainian or Russian official sources say so. Not anymore than I believe that the human species has 59 genders or that Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation.
  986. @Barbarossa
    @silviosilver

    There is a valid point there. As I said a bit back, I think it can be a benefit that some are willing to pay the big bucks to enable others to farm with consideration.

    However, I think that AaronB will inhabit a bit of a "tourist mentality" toward the spiritual/ natural life he aspires to until he commits to it more concretely. To gain the full potential one has to let other parts of life fall away a bit and some sacrifice is necessary.

    To be honest, there are times when living a more "natural life close to the land" is uncomfortable, inconvenient, heartbreaking, and just plain sucks. Mostly it's just good and sometimes transcendent. However, one doesn't feel the full depths of the highs without having also experienced the crushing lows.

    This is not necessarily intended as a criticism of AaronB since I think he has many correct ideals, but it would seems that he is currently living a "best of both world's" life. This is fine and may be the most pleasant way to go about it, but probably is less conducive to the holistic spiritual path of growth and understanding he aspires to.

    Replies: @utu, @AaronB, @Dmitry

    In the last 1-2 years (approximately, my chronology may not be accurate), Aaronb’s forum posts have been recreating the “American transcendentalism stage” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson).

    As for the reality of farming and peasant life. I am just an office worker who was also growing unsuccessfully vegetables during coronavirus lockdown, which is maybe less extreme than Mikel unsuccessfully owning a cow, but I think we have written similar lessons in the forum.

    Farming and peasant life, requires more strategy, organization and intelligence, than many modern office workers can achieve. A more accurate description of peasants’ role in world history, would be to call them “agricultural engineers”, or maybe “agricultural strategists” .

    Agriculture is extremely skilled work and not very easy for amateurs. You can easily feel why after the invention of agrarian societies, lazy and violent people are doing the “life hack” of raiding the peasants to steal their harvests, rather than trying to grow something themselves.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    As a kid who grew up in town I can attest to the steep learning curve in agricultural/ animal husbandry. There really is a lot more to it than is commonly given credit for. Perhaps the biggest aspect is just doing things at the correct time and knowing what that time is. Not later. Not earlier. Just at the right time.

    Doing things at the wrong time, be it sowing seeds, turning out to pasture, allowing animals to breed etc. increases troubles and risk of spectacular failures. For example, if you breed your sheep too early you may end up with frozen lambs.

    It's really a lot of learning to work within the constraints of reality and then figuring out how to optimize those constraints to produce the results you want. Good systems will need relatively little work compared to systems which ignore the nature's of animals and plants.

    But anyhow, I hope you keep up with a bit of vegetable growing, despite past difficulties. The big thing is to start with something that isn't so damnably easy to kill. When all else fails there is always cucumbers or squash. If you plant those you'll be guaranteed to feel like a horticultural genius!

    Replies: @iffen

  987. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    American city, designed around cars and spread out on a grid, with
     
    American "romantic city" atmosphere was very damaged by the introduction of the car during the 20th century (and there is some state capture in America by the automaking and oil industry involved).

    But the grid is not a bad thing and is today aspect of some of the more beautiful urban areas in America (e.g. Manhattan, central San Francisco).

    Cul-de-sac construction used from 1930s, after introduction of automobiles, is more of a problem probably. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9vDcfH03gs.


    Modern American “rational” cities that are “efficient” and “utilitarian” and utterly remote
     
    Compared to cities like Tokyo, they are probably less "rational" or "efficient".

    For example, if we judge in terms of concepts like energy efficiency or throughput. Or in terms of commercial value (Tokyo's model surely generates more commercial activity, especially for small businesses, than some Los Angeles style automobile city)


    Everyone has a different level at which they want to connect to nature –
     
    For living, as opposed to investment, most people likely like a balance of city life with garden that allows you to grow a few vegetables or trees.

    Probably, the greatest balance was created by English architects, in 19th century and early 20th century, for the urban bourgeoisie. This is seen in cities like London.

    In Manhattan context which is very space restriction, this kind of house (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z76MiQv0zg.) is what most New Yorker families would probably like to live with (if they could pay the $17,5 million she sold it at). You have a garden, with a private access to a "mini nature". Maybe you could even grow your "organic kale" there, if there is some sun. At the same time, you are in convenient, pre-automobile, city area, where you can walk to shops. This is the 19th century middle class urban peoples' preference.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Cars definitely a big culprit!

    Manhattan is fairly unique among American cities, in that it creates the kind of festive revelry that emerges from density in urban landscape.

    Manhattan’s grid-like pattern was created during a transitional phase where important features of the old European urban style were integrated into the new grid – so, you have beautiful European style squares and parks, with statues and fountains, like Union Square or Columbus Circle, that relieve the monotony of the grid and contribute grace and charm to the landscape.

    Also, many of the extremely tall buildings and even early skyscrapers, utilized fanciful European architectural motifs like crenellations, spires, and turrets, suggesting strange palaces and castles, and there is in general much visually eccentric and impressive architecture that draws from European tradition, as well as beautiful gothic churches.

    And the sheer height of the buildings create the effect of impressive natural formations like a canyon or giant cliffs, which adds drama and scale and a hint of nature.

    New York is a strange hybrid fusion, before the full age of rationality and efficiency swept all color, eccentricity, and beauty before it and created soulless monstrosities like Dallas TX.

    And even so, a visit to more traditional European style parts of town like Greanwich Village, or the meandering streets by the river that is now the Wall Street are and used to be the original old town, gives one an idea of what has been lost.

    Despite all this, the intensely fascinating side lanes and charmingly confused and mysterious urban street patterns, together with an unrivalled density of commercial and human activity in a riot of festive bright lights, and intimate and charming places to eat or drink, that exist in a city like Tokyo, or Bangkok, or Saigon, or older European cities before they became boring, has no analogue in the US.

    It is true, however, that a grid need not spell death to charm if the riotous fecundity of nature is allowed to burst forth in other ways and things aren’t tightly controlled and sanitized.

    Yes, London does seem like a very compelling and charming and eccentric urban design, and it is notably more “medieval” and less rational and logical in design than post-Haussman Paris with it’s monotonpus Grands Boulevards, while retaining grand imperial architecture befitting a city of it’s rank.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    London.. charming

     

    I am talking about, balance of public/private space in the late 19th century English houses

    But for example of the middle 19th century region, the area where Engel's house (but not Marx's house), was a good example.

    You can see why Engel's chooses this region as it is a quiet village but still has public life, a lot of density, but there is a large park.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5405351,-0.1561662,3a,75y,91.86h,95.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqv3O0TbuLXuDjvFv4eqEWA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Where Marx lives, was much more noisy and inner city. Marx had less money to choose from though than Engels.


    , London.. less rational and logical in design than post-Haussman Paris
     
    Late 18th century and early 19th century London has very logical, square regions, with grids. I'm not such a fan of this. It's almost half-way like Paris. However, they use houses, instead of apartments. Wealthy people of late 18th century were still living in a separate house in the city with a lot of private space.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4973763,-0.1502107,3a,75y,345.3h,104.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saFBsLX1QiawBHZyHAdYRtg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


    retaining grand imperial architecture befitting a city of it’s rank.
     
    In the late 19th century, they build a lot of the imperialist style. 1870s-1880s "monumentalism". I guess 1880s it is the beginning of "late Victorianism" in English history. There is sense of alienation created by this imperialist power style in some areas but it's a perfect atmosphere for fans of Victorian England's culture and literature.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4999384,-0.1765531,3a,75y,257.9h,98.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_WiIjSxq7AkMH1na82Jdxg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
    , @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    grid-like pattern was created during a transitional phase where important features of the old European u
     
    Many European cities use a squares or grid.

    For example, Turin is a very uniformly grid and one of the most beautiful cities . Improvised medieval urban planning is not always as beautiful, and can be less habitable (living in parts of central Seville, would be life inside some minotaur's labyrinth), by comparison to those more planned, square cities.

    And Napoli, is one of the most atmospherical, dirty and cool cities in Europe - it is mostly grids.


    age of rationality and efficiency swept all color, eccentricity, and beauty before it and created soulless monstrosities like Dallas TX.
     
    It relates a lot to density and transport, and not necessarily beauty of architecture, as you notice with Tokyo.

    Tokyo was mostly destroyed by American bombing in 1945. Modern Tokyo is mainly square buildings, without interest in architecture.

    But especially in night, you don't notice this with Tokyo, because there is so much density and commercial pedestrian life in the streets.

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  988. @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    And Silvio and utu are just threatened by my vision.
     
    Not as long as it can be confined to yourself and a handful of likeminded souls. Knock yourself out. I'm more than happy for you to follow your own bliss.

    As far as I can tell, you haven't really made any radical breaks anyway. To put it bluntly - and it wouldn't be me if I weren't being blunt - it seems mostly a LARP, a fantasy camp spiritualism. You're Billy Crystal in City Slickers lol.

    On the other hand, if your values and the conceptual framework justifying them were to take root in society at large it would clearly be threatening, to me and to countless millions of others, and there'd be no shame in saying so.

    Per aaron.b ad astra!

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    I would never try and force my vision on you or anyone. The essence of my vision of returning to nature is non-coercive and rests on voluntary enthusiasm and participation.

    What would be the point of forcing someone to do what he hates or does not understand? People who are alienated from nature and without roots tend to compensate by seeking power over others. It’s incompatible with my vision.

    What I would try and do is invite you to consider an alternative way of life, and evoke in you a sense of the beauty of it – with the full understanding that you have every right to reject my invitation.

    As I said, many people have to fully taste other ways of life before they can turn to spirituality, and earth can be seen as partly a school of education.

    In this conception, a “one size fits all approach” makes no spiritual sense.

    However, I would only ask that my right to pursue my alternative is likewise respected – and you must admit, that as the world stands now, it is my lifestyle that is threatened far more than yours.

    I am far more under threat.

    As for my values and ideals taking root in the culture at large, they could never do so fully and in a way that would impinge on your freedom – although I certainly work to make my ideas more popular and spread as far and wide as possible 🙂

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    although I certainly work to make my ideas more popular and spread as far and wide as possible
     
    To be specific, it's not my freedom that is threatened by your vision, but my very world itself. If most people thought and behaved as you do (or as you aim to), my world would be a very different place; I can't say for sure, but probably one that I wouldn't like very much.

    Of course, you have every right to try and popularize your ideas. I remain enough of a liberal that I wouldn't resort to any means whatsoever to prevent their spread (not that I have any power to prevent much of anything at the moment); I'd simply put forward an alternative vision and hope it prevails (or rather, remains regnant).

    However, I would only ask that my right to pursue my alternative is likewise respected – and you must admit, that as the world stands now, it is my lifestyle that is threatened far more than yours.
     
    How so?

    So far as I can see, only socially, not physically. You're free to live as you choose, but obviously some people will harshly disapprove of your choices. You may find yourself cast out. Yours is the eternal plaint of the misfit. I guess you could always try adding your name to the ever-growing list of victims whose victimhood requires urgent redress and whose "needs" society must be reengineered to satisfy. :)

    Btw, I was meaning to ask you, who are your favorite poets? I'm not a huge fan of poetry, and I certainly don't know enough about it to discuss it intelligently, but every so often I come across something that makes a deep impression on me. I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) - if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds - and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words. So I'm often on the hunt for something good, but I can't always be bothered slogging through the inevitable piles of crap on the way there.

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  989. @AaronB
    @AaronB

    Apparently, Descartes reported that he once looked out the window, and he saw all the people out there as mechanical machines devoid of life.

    His philosophy has been summarized as the desire to be detached from life and not engage with it emotionally, but to be a spectator who brings the world before his eyes as "representation".

    To not "affectively" engage with the world, but to bring it before you as mere representation, means to "objectify" the world - abstract representations is necessary to master the world technologically and dominate it.

    The problem is, that when this is your dominant mode of approaching the world, your own self and the selves of others become mere mechanical objects. They do not escape this cognitive net.

    Consequently, Descartes said he could not be sure he truly had a body, but he only thought so intellectually, and that he saw no connection between hunger, pain, and other sensations, and the desire to eat or the feeling of distress.

    In other words, Descartes doubted the existence of others, the existence of his own body, and the existence of his emotions - he offered a view of existence as devitalized and mechanical.

    This was a major milestone towards the modern mechanization of the world and life, and away from the traditional and pre-modern idea that everything is "ensouled" and alive.

    Not for nothing is Descartes considered one of the fathers of modern thought.

    This is the result of the hypertrophy of the rational faculty, which ends in delusion and utter disconnection from concrete reality and life.

    It is time our global civilization recognizes this was a step into madness, and return to reality and life.

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    Descartes reported that he once looked out the window, and he saw all the people out there as mechanical machines devoid of life.

    It sounds as though Descartes was a bit the psychopath, huh? But I suppose that in my view modern society is often psychopathic and anti-human in it’s construction. I guess this would feed back into your idea of physical sickness sometimes also being spiritual.

    Modern society is spiritually devoid and anti-human which exhibits in massive crippling mental health problems. The sickness is a spiritual one but is none the less physically manifested.

  990. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Cars definitely a big culprit!

    Manhattan is fairly unique among American cities, in that it creates the kind of festive revelry that emerges from density in urban landscape.

    Manhattan's grid-like pattern was created during a transitional phase where important features of the old European urban style were integrated into the new grid - so, you have beautiful European style squares and parks, with statues and fountains, like Union Square or Columbus Circle, that relieve the monotony of the grid and contribute grace and charm to the landscape.

    Also, many of the extremely tall buildings and even early skyscrapers, utilized fanciful European architectural motifs like crenellations, spires, and turrets, suggesting strange palaces and castles, and there is in general much visually eccentric and impressive architecture that draws from European tradition, as well as beautiful gothic churches.

    And the sheer height of the buildings create the effect of impressive natural formations like a canyon or giant cliffs, which adds drama and scale and a hint of nature.

    New York is a strange hybrid fusion, before the full age of rationality and efficiency swept all color, eccentricity, and beauty before it and created soulless monstrosities like Dallas TX.

    And even so, a visit to more traditional European style parts of town like Greanwich Village, or the meandering streets by the river that is now the Wall Street are and used to be the original old town, gives one an idea of what has been lost.

    Despite all this, the intensely fascinating side lanes and charmingly confused and mysterious urban street patterns, together with an unrivalled density of commercial and human activity in a riot of festive bright lights, and intimate and charming places to eat or drink, that exist in a city like Tokyo, or Bangkok, or Saigon, or older European cities before they became boring, has no analogue in the US.

    It is true, however, that a grid need not spell death to charm if the riotous fecundity of nature is allowed to burst forth in other ways and things aren't tightly controlled and sanitized.

    Yes, London does seem like a very compelling and charming and eccentric urban design, and it is notably more "medieval" and less rational and logical in design than post-Haussman Paris with it's monotonpus Grands Boulevards, while retaining grand imperial architecture befitting a city of it's rank.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    London.. charming

    I am talking about, balance of public/private space in the late 19th century English houses

    But for example of the middle 19th century region, the area where Engel’s house (but not Marx’s house), was a good example.

    You can see why Engel’s chooses this region as it is a quiet village but still has public life, a lot of density, but there is a large park.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5405351,-0.1561662,3a,75y,91.86h,95.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqv3O0TbuLXuDjvFv4eqEWA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Where Marx lives, was much more noisy and inner city. Marx had less money to choose from though than Engels.

    , London.. less rational and logical in design than post-Haussman Paris

    Late 18th century and early 19th century London has very logical, square regions, with grids. I’m not such a fan of this. It’s almost half-way like Paris. However, they use houses, instead of apartments. Wealthy people of late 18th century were still living in a separate house in the city with a lot of private space.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4973763,-0.1502107,3a,75y,345.3h,104.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saFBsLX1QiawBHZyHAdYRtg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    retaining grand imperial architecture befitting a city of it’s rank.

    In the late 19th century, they build a lot of the imperialist style. 1870s-1880s “monumentalism”. I guess 1880s it is the beginning of “late Victorianism” in English history. There is sense of alienation created by this imperialist power style in some areas but it’s a perfect atmosphere for fans of Victorian England’s culture and literature.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4999384,-0.1765531,3a,75y,257.9h,98.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_WiIjSxq7AkMH1na82Jdxg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

  991. @Barbarossa
    @AaronB

    I feel that I owe you an apology for my last comment. It was dashed off in haste this morning and in retrospect it seemed very judgemental and distasteful sounding, especially because it was addressed Emil Nikola Richard and not yourself. I certainly don't have any right to be making authoritative pronouncements about your life (or anyone else's on here, for that matter!) I hope you'll accept my sincere apologies for any potential offense given.

    In the end there are a lot of ways around the barn and if we were all doing the same thing it would be a dull stupid world. In many ways the impression given in that comment doesn't reflect my thinking.

    So, please continue to follow your pursuit of truth wherever it may lead and ignore any heckling from the peanut gallery!

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    Thank you for this very gracious apology indeed 🙂 But truly it is not necessary.

    I took your remarks in a positive spirit, as I know it was intended, and there is indeed a useful truth in it – I myself have been thinking that I must bring my life more fully into line with my spiritual beliefs lately.

    So cheers for the apology, and cheers for the insight!

  992. Should Ze be given Will Smith’s oscar?

  993. @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    I would never try and force my vision on you or anyone. The essence of my vision of returning to nature is non-coercive and rests on voluntary enthusiasm and participation.

    What would be the point of forcing someone to do what he hates or does not understand? People who are alienated from nature and without roots tend to compensate by seeking power over others. It's incompatible with my vision.

    What I would try and do is invite you to consider an alternative way of life, and evoke in you a sense of the beauty of it - with the full understanding that you have every right to reject my invitation.

    As I said, many people have to fully taste other ways of life before they can turn to spirituality, and earth can be seen as partly a school of education.

    In this conception, a "one size fits all approach" makes no spiritual sense.

    However, I would only ask that my right to pursue my alternative is likewise respected - and you must admit, that as the world stands now, it is my lifestyle that is threatened far more than yours.

    I am far more under threat.

    As for my values and ideals taking root in the culture at large, they could never do so fully and in a way that would impinge on your freedom - although I certainly work to make my ideas more popular and spread as far and wide as possible :)

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    although I certainly work to make my ideas more popular and spread as far and wide as possible

    To be specific, it’s not my freedom that is threatened by your vision, but my very world itself. If most people thought and behaved as you do (or as you aim to), my world would be a very different place; I can’t say for sure, but probably one that I wouldn’t like very much.

    Of course, you have every right to try and popularize your ideas. I remain enough of a liberal that I wouldn’t resort to any means whatsoever to prevent their spread (not that I have any power to prevent much of anything at the moment); I’d simply put forward an alternative vision and hope it prevails (or rather, remains regnant).

    However, I would only ask that my right to pursue my alternative is likewise respected – and you must admit, that as the world stands now, it is my lifestyle that is threatened far more than yours.

    How so?

    So far as I can see, only socially, not physically. You’re free to live as you choose, but obviously some people will harshly disapprove of your choices. You may find yourself cast out. Yours is the eternal plaint of the misfit. I guess you could always try adding your name to the ever-growing list of victims whose victimhood requires urgent redress and whose “needs” society must be reengineered to satisfy. 🙂

    Btw, I was meaning to ask you, who are your favorite poets? I’m not a huge fan of poetry, and I certainly don’t know enough about it to discuss it intelligently, but every so often I come across something that makes a deep impression on me. I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) – if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds – and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words. So I’m often on the hunt for something good, but I can’t always be bothered slogging through the inevitable piles of crap on the way there.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    Yes, the best any of us can - or should - do is put forth our ideas and hope they prevail.

    It's true that the widespread acceptance of my ideas would destroy your world on a large scale, but I hope that in such a scenario there would be enough space for people like you to live your dreams - perhaps not precisely as you'd like, but enough so that you're more or less satisfied.

    My hope, though, is that eventually you'd see the beauty of my vision and willingly join :)

    Although my vision is highly pluralistic and recognizes many legitimate ways to connect to nature, and many levels and degrees of doing so or even opting out entirely, it is true that it is simply irreconcilable with some ways of life - like, say, any program of massive natural despoilation and degradation, or totalitarian enforced labor in service of some technological ideal etc.

    Every liberal system must have some limits - some things it cannot reconcile with (although it can still fight in a non-coercive manner as much as possible).

    In terms of how my lifestyle is made difficult by the current system, the economic system and the way land is divided and used in today's world are predicated on completely different values and create very real obstacles to opting out. Immense pressure is put an individuals to participate in and conform to the mainstream system.

    As for being a "misfit" seeking to reengineer society to accommodate my eccentricity, I am rather someone who is offering a vision of greater flourishing and health than that of the current mainstream, which is clearly suffering from debilitating psychological ailments and physical decline - I am not merely asking for an "accomodation", but offering a vision for all to embrace.

    In other words, my contention is that it is mainstream society that has strayed from reality and nature (and to some degree you'd surely agree), and I am trying to recall it to health and sanity, and to "align it once more with the Cosmos".

    Now, of course mainstream society is free to consider me completely mistaken and utterly reject my views! But note that the religious and spiritual critic of society is a time honored role, and all significant cultural renewal and return to health begins with such figures.

    Beyond that, a society remains healthy by incorporating such criticism into it's heart - such that Romanticism had a huge influence among European elites, and Taoism was the true religion of Chinese mandarins ostensibly committed to a dry Confucianism.

    A society that loses this "double dimension" and becomes entirely totalitarian and single minded is soon on the way out, as man has multiple levels to his personality that all needs satisfying (even you speak of poetry here and are unable to be only rationalistic :) )

    As for poetry?

    I used to read much more poetry when younger, but like all moderns I sadly fell out of the habit as the years wore on and I succumbed to this "rationalistic" age.

    A big part of returning to health will be rediscovering the value of poetry!

    In these latter years, I have been reading mostly classic Chinese and Japanese nature and wilderness poetry - it's simple, direct, deeply lyrical, sad, and moving, I think you'd like it! Poets like Tao Chien, Wang Wei, Hsieh Lin-Yung, Cold Mountain, and some Li Po and Du Fu, and among the Japanese, Ryokan and Saigyo.

    Don't spurn them for being Asian - they are remarkably modern and familiar in sensibility and feel!

    As for Western poets, I read these days Robinson Jeffers, who is great, and lately much Wordsworth, and every now and then some Blake, some Robert Frost and Wallace Stevens (whose wonderful line beyond the last thought I love).

    I used to be fascinated by Rimbaud when I was younger for his lifestyle.

    I'm sorry I couldn't give you more leads!


    I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) – if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds – and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words
     
    I am perfectly convinced you have seen other worlds :)

    In Mcgilchrist book, he contends that imagination (not fantasy) is a more valid form of knowledge than reason.

    I think it's fantastic that you have this poetic dimension in you!

    I plan on engaging more with poetry in the coming months as part of my return to right brain thinking.
    , @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) – if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds – and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words. So I’m often on the hunt for something good,
     
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81QzjweJODL.jpg

    Gunga Din
    BY RUDYARD KIPLING

    You may talk o’ gin and beer
    When you’re quartered safe out ’ere,
    An’ you’re sent to penny-fights an’ Aldershot it;
    But when it comes to slaughter
    You will do your work on water,
    An’ you’ll lick the bloomin’ boots of ’im that’s got it.
    Now in Injia’s sunny clime,
    Where I used to spend my time
    A-servin’ of ’Er Majesty the Queen,
    Of all them blackfaced crew
    The finest man I knew
    Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din,

    He was ‘Din! Din! Din!
    ‘You limpin’ lump o’ brick-dust, Gunga Din!
    ‘Hi! Slippy hitherao
    ‘Water, get it! Panee lao,
    ‘You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din.’

    The uniform ’e wore
    Was nothin’ much before,
    An’ rather less than ’arf o’ that be’ind,
    For a piece o’ twisty rag
    An’ a goatskin water-bag
    Was all the field-equipment ’e could find.
    When the sweatin’ troop-train lay
    In a sidin’ through the day,
    Where the ’eat would make your bloomin’ eyebrows crawl,
    We shouted ‘Harry By!’
    Till our throats were bricky-dry,
    Then we wopped ’im ’cause ’e couldn’t serve us all.
    It was ‘Din! Din! Din!
    ‘You ’eathen, where the mischief ’ave you been?
    ‘You put some juldee in it
    ‘Or I’ll marrow you this minute
    ‘If you don’t fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!’

    ’E would dot an’ carry one
    Till the longest day was done;
    An’ ’e didn’t seem to know the use o’ fear.
    If we charged or broke or cut,
    You could bet your bloomin’ nut,
    ’E’d be waitin’ fifty paces right flank rear.
    With ’is mussick on ’is back,
    ’E would skip with our attack,
    An’ watch us till the bugles made 'Retire,’
    An’ for all ’is dirty ’ide
    ’E was white, clear white, inside
    When ’e went to tend the wounded under fire!
    It was ‘Din! Din! Din!’
    With the bullets kickin’ dust-spots on the green.
    When the cartridges ran out,
    You could hear the front-ranks shout,
    ‘Hi! ammunition-mules an' Gunga Din!’

    I shan’t forgit the night
    When I dropped be’ind the fight

    With a bullet where my belt-plate should ’a’ been.
    I was chokin’ mad with thirst,
    An’ the man that spied me first
    Was our good old grinnin’, gruntin’ Gunga Din.
    ’E lifted up my ’ead,
    An’ he plugged me where I bled,
    An’ ’e guv me ’arf-a-pint o’ water green.

    It was crawlin’ and it stunk,
    But of all the drinks I’ve drunk,
    I’m gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.
    It was 'Din! Din! Din!

    ‘’Ere’s a beggar with a bullet through ’is spleen;
    ‘’E's chawin’ up the ground,
    ‘An’ ’e’s kickin’ all around:
    ‘For Gawd’s sake git the water, Gunga Din!’

    ’E carried me away
    To where a dooli lay,
    An’ a bullet come an’ drilled the beggar clean.
    ’E put me safe inside,
    An’ just before ’e died,
    'I ’ope you liked your drink,’ sez Gunga Din.

    So I’ll meet ’im later on
    At the place where ’e is gone—
    Where it’s always double drill and no canteen.
    ’E’ll be squattin’ on the coals
    Givin’ drink to poor damned souls,
    An’ I’ll get a swig in hell from Gunga Din!
    Yes, Din! Din! Din!
    You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
    Though I’ve belted you and flayed you,
    By the livin’ Gawd that made you,
    You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46783/gunga-din

     

    , @Barbarossa
    @silviosilver

    I'm curious; what is the exact nature of the threat that AaronB's life philosophy poses to your world priorities?

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  994. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Cars definitely a big culprit!

    Manhattan is fairly unique among American cities, in that it creates the kind of festive revelry that emerges from density in urban landscape.

    Manhattan's grid-like pattern was created during a transitional phase where important features of the old European urban style were integrated into the new grid - so, you have beautiful European style squares and parks, with statues and fountains, like Union Square or Columbus Circle, that relieve the monotony of the grid and contribute grace and charm to the landscape.

    Also, many of the extremely tall buildings and even early skyscrapers, utilized fanciful European architectural motifs like crenellations, spires, and turrets, suggesting strange palaces and castles, and there is in general much visually eccentric and impressive architecture that draws from European tradition, as well as beautiful gothic churches.

    And the sheer height of the buildings create the effect of impressive natural formations like a canyon or giant cliffs, which adds drama and scale and a hint of nature.

    New York is a strange hybrid fusion, before the full age of rationality and efficiency swept all color, eccentricity, and beauty before it and created soulless monstrosities like Dallas TX.

    And even so, a visit to more traditional European style parts of town like Greanwich Village, or the meandering streets by the river that is now the Wall Street are and used to be the original old town, gives one an idea of what has been lost.

    Despite all this, the intensely fascinating side lanes and charmingly confused and mysterious urban street patterns, together with an unrivalled density of commercial and human activity in a riot of festive bright lights, and intimate and charming places to eat or drink, that exist in a city like Tokyo, or Bangkok, or Saigon, or older European cities before they became boring, has no analogue in the US.

    It is true, however, that a grid need not spell death to charm if the riotous fecundity of nature is allowed to burst forth in other ways and things aren't tightly controlled and sanitized.

    Yes, London does seem like a very compelling and charming and eccentric urban design, and it is notably more "medieval" and less rational and logical in design than post-Haussman Paris with it's monotonpus Grands Boulevards, while retaining grand imperial architecture befitting a city of it's rank.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    grid-like pattern was created during a transitional phase where important features of the old European u

    Many European cities use a squares or grid.

    For example, Turin is a very uniformly grid and one of the most beautiful cities . Improvised medieval urban planning is not always as beautiful, and can be less habitable (living in parts of central Seville, would be life inside some minotaur’s labyrinth), by comparison to those more planned, square cities.

    And Napoli, is one of the most atmospherical, dirty and cool cities in Europe – it is mostly grids.

    age of rationality and efficiency swept all color, eccentricity, and beauty before it and created soulless monstrosities like Dallas TX.

    It relates a lot to density and transport, and not necessarily beauty of architecture, as you notice with Tokyo.

    Tokyo was mostly destroyed by American bombing in 1945. Modern Tokyo is mainly square buildings, without interest in architecture.

    But especially in night, you don’t notice this with Tokyo, because there is so much density and commercial pedestrian life in the streets.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Upon reflection, I think you have convinced me regarding a grid design :)

    I still think that winding and meandering streets are better, but a grid design, provide there are mysterious side alleys, is not an insuperable obstacle to mystery and aesthetic appeal.

    Phnom Penh is an exuberant city of riotous color and fascinating side alleys, and it has a French designed grid.

    Definitely agree with you about Napoli!

    When young, I lived for a time in the Old City of Jerusalem, which is basically a medieval Turkish fortress-city, and it was one of the most adventurous periods of my life - I think living in a Minotaurs maze sounds fun :)

    Yes, Tokyo is downright bland and ugly architecturally! But manages to achieve - especially at night as you say - mystery, aesthetic appeal, and a sense of intimacy that invites discovery and exploration.

    But that is because of the bright neon fairy lights, the dense profusion of stores of every imaginable type, people, and activity, and the fascinating and intimate side alleys.

    I think the key element is - not too much control and let nature run a bit wild and disorganized, not too much rationality and efficiency, and let spontaneity in.

    @Barbarossa -

    I completely agree that current society is organized in an anti life and anti health way.

    And the curious thing is you can trace this back to the seminal thinkers who stand at the head of modernity.

    It was not an accidental develop, but the natural development of ideas that were right there at the beginning.

    Replies: @AaronB

  995. utu says:
    @AP
    @Thulean Friend

    Thank you for the kind words.


    utu losing his mind
     
    FWIW I suspect that utu is from Eastern Europe and probably is not far removed from outrages committed by Soviets, perhaps his parents were victims. But one shouldn't have to have personal experiences to be utterly outraged by Russia's actions in Ukraine. It only takes some decency.

    calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ
     
    He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (erven if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start "we will take no risks" is a green light for the Russians.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    I can't go over the 3 post limit; I would respond to Mikel: I was outraged when he described the sad situation of the bombing of the Luhansk federal building as mass murder or a war crime (I do not feel like relitigating that here now). In that event, while the military commander of Luhansk forces (soon after they killed a bunch of Ukrainian border soldiers) was meeting in the municipal building a Ukrainian jet fired weapons at that specific building; sadly it missed and 7 or so civilians were killed in the square below. Ukraine at that time had no guided precision weapons so flying a jet up to the building and hitting it was as precise as could be done.

    Contrast that to what Russian forces are doing now: destroying entire cities and neighborhoods, beheading civilians, shooting (from ground level) fleeing civilian cars or people on the streets, even children. Shooting bound civilians in the head. And all these outrages are not even done in the context of some sort of internal rebellion (not that this would justify them) but as an invasion of another country.

    Sad and disgusting that many of the same characters howling about Ukrainian actions don't condemn far worse Russian actions.

    Replies: @utu, @Mikel

    “It only takes some decency.” – Thank you. People like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave each possibly for different reason arrived at the same position which was and still is (with the exception of G_r) to advocate Ukraine’s surrender and accepting all Russia’s demands. To me it is just the most obscene position one could take in the face of blatant military aggression of one state against another with the intention of liquidating the invaded state and liquidation of separate nationality by denying its existence. The objective of this Putin’s war is de facto the ethnocide of Ukrainian nation.

    Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

    Regardless of their attempts to clarify and hypocritically dissimulate their position they are on the side of the aggressor. I have zero tolerance for it. At best they are Putin’s useful idiots. Let’s face the facts. Russia is weak on the battlefield. Her only strength is in the field of propaganda. Her success depends on undermining our resolve to oppose her. Russia counts on her useful idiots who are a part of much larger disinformation network that Russia has installed in the West. Useful idiots like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave are Putin weapons.

    “He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (even if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start “we will take no risks” is a green light for the Russians.” – Thank you again. There are many reasons why the US and NATO should not have stated that nuclear weapons are off the table after Russia made explicit threats of using them.

    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict. Otherwise Ukraine regardless of Ukraine successes on the battlefield will remain under a permanent threat of escalation by Russia. NFZ would de facto mean accepting the sovereign state of Ukraine as a member of NATO. Sovereignty of Ukraine must be guaranteed against Russia’s designs. There might be no other way to have a permanent and stable resolution for this war that denies Russia’s objectives.

    • Thanks: LatW
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @utu


    To me it is just the most obscene position one could take in the face of blatant military aggression of one state against another
     
    I haven't advocated what you claim but more obscene than asking me to accept that any day now I'll have to rush my 7-year old son to the basement with not much hope of saving his life because, according to you, the US does not have the right to stay aside of another war fueled by old ethnic disputes?

    Seeing you pole dancing in a miniskirt would not be more obscene than what you are advocating.
    , @German_reader
    @utu


    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict.
     
    Why don't you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. And anybody who opposes that is a Putin shill?
    I also feel that you're mischaracterizing my position. I don't think I have ever advocated for Ukraine just to surrender and I still support sending weapons like anti-tank and anti-air missiles to Ukraine. To my knowledge I have also never expressed sympathy for Russian chauvinists who think Ukrainians are Russians, they just don't know it yet and need to be reminded of the fact by FSB torture squads (like Karlin did in his pro-war piece just before the invasion). I also haven't doubted that Russian troops did commit war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian towns. I think the talk about "genocide" is not to be taken seriously and obviously propagandistic, but it's certainly plausible that Russian soldiers are doing their usual looting and raping routine and killing Ukrainian men they suspect of supporting the Ukrainian national cause. And since Russia invaded Ukraine, the responsibility for this is entirely on Russia.
    So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict, or at least much more right than Russians with their disgusting imperialist visions, and I certainly don't want Russia to win this war by imposing Russian dictat on Ukraine. However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests. It also seems to be incapable of tolerating any dissent at all. One sees this in this blog too. I'm away for a few days and get compared by you to a woman that enjoys being raped (or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up), and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here. Certainly none of them seem to object to this style of discourse as long as it's for their favourite cause.
    So good riddance. I think I'm going to avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst, but the rest of you are also terrible, nothing but your narrow-minded chauvinisms and far too much history on the brain. As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @utu, @silviosilver, @songbird, @Dmitry

    , @Brás Cubas
    @utu


    The objective of this Putin’s war is de facto the ethnocide of Ukrainian nation.
     
    Let's see what the Oxford Languages dictionary says about genocide:

    the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group
     
    It is implausible that, should Ukraine have surrendered, Putin would have killed a single person, so I don't think that definition applies.
    Maybe your definition diverges from that by encompassing any erasure of a national identity, with or without the killing of individuals. I am not aware that that is an "internationally recognized crime". Maybe it is, and I am no expert in international law to dispute it. In any case, do you really think you have a case here against Putin, as opposed to, say, the European Union or the Open Society Foundation? Even though they do not use literal weapons, is there any other way of describing what they have done and are still doing to national identities?

    Replies: @AP

  996. @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    In the last 1-2 years (approximately, my chronology may not be accurate), Aaronb's forum posts have been recreating the "American transcendentalism stage" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson).

    As for the reality of farming and peasant life. I am just an office worker who was also growing unsuccessfully vegetables during coronavirus lockdown, which is maybe less extreme than Mikel unsuccessfully owning a cow, but I think we have written similar lessons in the forum.

    Farming and peasant life, requires more strategy, organization and intelligence, than many modern office workers can achieve. A more accurate description of peasants' role in world history, would be to call them "agricultural engineers", or maybe "agricultural strategists" .

    Agriculture is extremely skilled work and not very easy for amateurs. You can easily feel why after the invention of agrarian societies, lazy and violent people are doing the "life hack" of raiding the peasants to steal their harvests, rather than trying to grow something themselves.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    As a kid who grew up in town I can attest to the steep learning curve in agricultural/ animal husbandry. There really is a lot more to it than is commonly given credit for. Perhaps the biggest aspect is just doing things at the correct time and knowing what that time is. Not later. Not earlier. Just at the right time.

    Doing things at the wrong time, be it sowing seeds, turning out to pasture, allowing animals to breed etc. increases troubles and risk of spectacular failures. For example, if you breed your sheep too early you may end up with frozen lambs.

    It’s really a lot of learning to work within the constraints of reality and then figuring out how to optimize those constraints to produce the results you want. Good systems will need relatively little work compared to systems which ignore the nature’s of animals and plants.

    But anyhow, I hope you keep up with a bit of vegetable growing, despite past difficulties. The big thing is to start with something that isn’t so damnably easy to kill. When all else fails there is always cucumbers or squash. If you plant those you’ll be guaranteed to feel like a horticultural genius!

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Barbarossa

    When all else fails there is always cucumbers or squash. If you plant those you’ll be guaranteed to feel like a horticultural genius!

    Evidently your growing environment doesn't have downy mildew or anthracnose.

  997. @AP
    @Thulean Friend

    Thank you for the kind words.


    utu losing his mind
     
    FWIW I suspect that utu is from Eastern Europe and probably is not far removed from outrages committed by Soviets, perhaps his parents were victims. But one shouldn't have to have personal experiences to be utterly outraged by Russia's actions in Ukraine. It only takes some decency.

    calls for WW3 by advocating a NFZ
     
    He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (erven if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start "we will take no risks" is a green light for the Russians.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    I can't go over the 3 post limit; I would respond to Mikel: I was outraged when he described the sad situation of the bombing of the Luhansk federal building as mass murder or a war crime (I do not feel like relitigating that here now). In that event, while the military commander of Luhansk forces (soon after they killed a bunch of Ukrainian border soldiers) was meeting in the municipal building a Ukrainian jet fired weapons at that specific building; sadly it missed and 7 or so civilians were killed in the square below. Ukraine at that time had no guided precision weapons so flying a jet up to the building and hitting it was as precise as could be done.

    Contrast that to what Russian forces are doing now: destroying entire cities and neighborhoods, beheading civilians, shooting (from ground level) fleeing civilian cars or people on the streets, even children. Shooting bound civilians in the head. And all these outrages are not even done in the context of some sort of internal rebellion (not that this would justify them) but as an invasion of another country.

    Sad and disgusting that many of the same characters howling about Ukrainian actions don't condemn far worse Russian actions.

    Replies: @utu, @Mikel

    Sad and disgusting that many of the same characters howling about Ukrainian actions don’t condemn far worse Russian actions.

    Come on. Can’t you guys get over this “if you don’t howl together with me you are my enemy” attitude?

    The one thing I cannot be accused of is being inconsistent in my opposition to any harm to innocent civilians (and, considering the circumstances, I am not going to compare my stance to someone else’s). My commenting history, conveniently available to anyone on unz.com, speaks for itself.

    I may have put more emphasis here or there and spent more time discussing this or that massacre, but the very same reasons that led me to oppose the Ukrainian military intervention in Donbass led me to express disgust with the Russian attack to Ukraine even when I only feared that it may take place but wasn’t a certainty yet. I don’t believe my position in this respect has been any less clear than any other non-partisan commenter’s in this blog.

    More importantly perhaps, I have made sure to explain to anyone who cares to listen how I also oppose the atrocities committed by my Basque countrymen. And that’s the one that really hurts.

    It is obviously true that what is happening now is much worse than what happened in Donbass. The moment we all learned that Russian troops were trying to capture multiple Ukrainian cities it was clear that this was going to be a carnage without precedents in recent European history. How could it not be so?

    But I don’t quite recognize some of the specific atrocities you have mentioned, which is strange because, much to my family’s detriment, I have spent one month trying to contrast sources and getting a more or less reliable picture of what is really happening. I have no problem believing that Russian soldiers have been able to do all of those things, just as the UN, HRW and Amnesty International documented cases of torture, disappearances and extrajudicial killings of people at the hands of Ukrainian forces. But sorry, I am not going to believe that anything has happened just because western media or Ukrainian or Russian official sources say so. Not anymore than I believe that the human species has 59 genders or that Hunter Biden’s laptop is Russian disinformation.

  998. @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    although I certainly work to make my ideas more popular and spread as far and wide as possible
     
    To be specific, it's not my freedom that is threatened by your vision, but my very world itself. If most people thought and behaved as you do (or as you aim to), my world would be a very different place; I can't say for sure, but probably one that I wouldn't like very much.

    Of course, you have every right to try and popularize your ideas. I remain enough of a liberal that I wouldn't resort to any means whatsoever to prevent their spread (not that I have any power to prevent much of anything at the moment); I'd simply put forward an alternative vision and hope it prevails (or rather, remains regnant).

    However, I would only ask that my right to pursue my alternative is likewise respected – and you must admit, that as the world stands now, it is my lifestyle that is threatened far more than yours.
     
    How so?

    So far as I can see, only socially, not physically. You're free to live as you choose, but obviously some people will harshly disapprove of your choices. You may find yourself cast out. Yours is the eternal plaint of the misfit. I guess you could always try adding your name to the ever-growing list of victims whose victimhood requires urgent redress and whose "needs" society must be reengineered to satisfy. :)

    Btw, I was meaning to ask you, who are your favorite poets? I'm not a huge fan of poetry, and I certainly don't know enough about it to discuss it intelligently, but every so often I come across something that makes a deep impression on me. I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) - if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds - and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words. So I'm often on the hunt for something good, but I can't always be bothered slogging through the inevitable piles of crap on the way there.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Yahya, @Barbarossa

    Yes, the best any of us can – or should – do is put forth our ideas and hope they prevail.

    It’s true that the widespread acceptance of my ideas would destroy your world on a large scale, but I hope that in such a scenario there would be enough space for people like you to live your dreams – perhaps not precisely as you’d like, but enough so that you’re more or less satisfied.

    My hope, though, is that eventually you’d see the beauty of my vision and willingly join 🙂

    Although my vision is highly pluralistic and recognizes many legitimate ways to connect to nature, and many levels and degrees of doing so or even opting out entirely, it is true that it is simply irreconcilable with some ways of life – like, say, any program of massive natural despoilation and degradation, or totalitarian enforced labor in service of some technological ideal etc.

    Every liberal system must have some limits – some things it cannot reconcile with (although it can still fight in a non-coercive manner as much as possible).

    In terms of how my lifestyle is made difficult by the current system, the economic system and the way land is divided and used in today’s world are predicated on completely different values and create very real obstacles to opting out. Immense pressure is put an individuals to participate in and conform to the mainstream system.

    As for being a “misfit” seeking to reengineer society to accommodate my eccentricity, I am rather someone who is offering a vision of greater flourishing and health than that of the current mainstream, which is clearly suffering from debilitating psychological ailments and physical decline – I am not merely asking for an “accomodation”, but offering a vision for all to embrace.

    In other words, my contention is that it is mainstream society that has strayed from reality and nature (and to some degree you’d surely agree), and I am trying to recall it to health and sanity, and to “align it once more with the Cosmos”.

    Now, of course mainstream society is free to consider me completely mistaken and utterly reject my views! But note that the religious and spiritual critic of society is a time honored role, and all significant cultural renewal and return to health begins with such figures.

    Beyond that, a society remains healthy by incorporating such criticism into it’s heart – such that Romanticism had a huge influence among European elites, and Taoism was the true religion of Chinese mandarins ostensibly committed to a dry Confucianism.

    A society that loses this “double dimension” and becomes entirely totalitarian and single minded is soon on the way out, as man has multiple levels to his personality that all needs satisfying (even you speak of poetry here and are unable to be only rationalistic 🙂 )

    As for poetry?

    I used to read much more poetry when younger, but like all moderns I sadly fell out of the habit as the years wore on and I succumbed to this “rationalistic” age.

    A big part of returning to health will be rediscovering the value of poetry!

    In these latter years, I have been reading mostly classic Chinese and Japanese nature and wilderness poetry – it’s simple, direct, deeply lyrical, sad, and moving, I think you’d like it! Poets like Tao Chien, Wang Wei, Hsieh Lin-Yung, Cold Mountain, and some Li Po and Du Fu, and among the Japanese, Ryokan and Saigyo.

    Don’t spurn them for being Asian – they are remarkably modern and familiar in sensibility and feel!

    As for Western poets, I read these days Robinson Jeffers, who is great, and lately much Wordsworth, and every now and then some Blake, some Robert Frost and Wallace Stevens (whose wonderful line beyond the last thought I love).

    I used to be fascinated by Rimbaud when I was younger for his lifestyle.

    I’m sorry I couldn’t give you more leads!

    I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) – if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds – and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words

    I am perfectly convinced you have seen other worlds 🙂

    In Mcgilchrist book, he contends that imagination (not fantasy) is a more valid form of knowledge than reason.

    I think it’s fantastic that you have this poetic dimension in you!

    I plan on engaging more with poetry in the coming months as part of my return to right brain thinking.

  999. @Mikel
    @LatW


    Out there in the real world, the attitudes towards this conflict are very, very different than among the folks here. Ukraine is receiving massive support.
     
    That's true. But you shouldn't misinterpret what's really going on. If the western MSM had dedicated the same amount of space and effort to describe the suffering of the Yemeni people (the largest human catastrophe in the world as of this writing), preceded by eight years of demonization of Saudi Arabia, western people "in the real world" would have also shown massive support for the Yemenis and our armed forces would already be there.

    Or more significantly, if the western MSM would have spent the same space, dedication and bias to show the civilian victims in Donbass caused by Ukrainian indiscriminate shelling, this war would have never started to begin with. Perhaps it would have been the West itself who would have imposed a partition of Ukraine.

    You may dislike that some people here express much more nuanced and diverse opinions than what everybody can read on CNN 24x7 but that's the reason why this blog rapidly reaches the hundreds of comments. With a facebook-tier censorship on this blog that made everybody conform to the dominant narrative, I doubt you'd find it worthwhile to comment here.

    Replies: @LatW

    But you shouldn’t misinterpret what’s really going on

    I’m not, you like to believe that it’s all media brainwashing while it’s genuine outrage. I’ve never seen these levels of engagement (except maybe the late 1980s in Eastern Europe).

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    Btw, the world is quite aware of the Yemeni situation (I’ve seen many humanitarian ads and the famine there really was awful, especially compared to the lavishness of the neighboring countries). But please let’s admit that there is civilizational vicinity with Ukrainians and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It’s not ok to take a large European state and straight out destroy it. You cannot expect the Western public to be ok with that. These are exquisite levels of brutality not seen since Chechnya. Please read the doc I shared from Ria Novosti. It’s a fascist program for the elimination of the Ukrainian nation. It’ll be added to the evidence that will be filed in the Hague. Who does the Russian think he is that he can decide whether we exist or not?

    the civilian victims in Donbass

    Are you aware that the Russian occupiers are ravaging Luhansk region right now, as we speak? It could be cleared of all population for the sole purposes of Russian territorial takeover. Are you aware that the majority of the victims in this war so far might in fact be Russophone? These may be by the way some of the last Russophones outside of Russia’s borders.

    You may dislike that some people here express much more nuanced and diverse opinions than what everybody can read on CNN 24×7

    People here express “nuanced opinions” on both sides. If I disliked that, I wouldn’t come here for my daily dose of fundie. For instance, utu has expressed very nuanced opinions that I find enjoyable. And I don’t live off of a CNN & FB diet, it’s a very small percentage of what I watch.

    With a facebook-tier censorship on this blog that made everybody conform to the dominant narrative, I doubt you’d find it worthwhile to comment here.

    Very convenient to deem anyone that posts what you don’t like a potential facebook chekist. I have never called for any kind of censorship of these comments and wouldn’t, even if I had the power over it. So wrong address, buddy.

    I’m not going to pry as to why your friend decided to fight against the interests of his own people, but, please, understand that those of us with normal healthy instincts do not consider that some civilizational or moral achievement.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW


    You cannot expect the Western public to be ok with that.
     
    There is something unusual about this case, our local council is flying a big Ukrainian flag on the town square next to the county flag and access to Russian and Belarusian news/opinion websites is being blocked (never known something like this in my lifetime), so there is a definite level of institutional support for Ukraine.

    This is maybe to counter the fact that until a few weeks ago there was a widespread assumption that Belarus and Ukraine were part of Russia already (legacy of Czarist times and the USSR).

    , @Mikel
    @LatW


    I’m not going to pry as to why your friend decided to fight against the interests of his own people
     
    Probably because my friend was a maketo, like a majority of people in my home town, and it never even crossed his mind that he may be "fighting against the interests of his own people".

    please, understand that those of us with normal healthy instincts do not consider that some civilizational or moral achievement
     
    But it is Ukraine that desperately wants to join the West, not the other way around. Is that not why this whole clusterf*ck started?

    We are hardly unique in this context, btw. There's plenty of stateless ethnicities in Western Europe: Brittany, Corsica, South Tyrol, Scotland, Wales, Flanders, Lappland,.. Apart from the Ulster Catholics, we are the ones who have killed and died in the largest numbers for our independence but eventually we have joined all the above in considering that peace and prosperity are more important objectives to pursue than independence. Perhaps it's not such a bad choice after all? I hope Ukrainians one day get to live as comfortably as we now do.

    Replies: @LatW

  1000. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    grid-like pattern was created during a transitional phase where important features of the old European u
     
    Many European cities use a squares or grid.

    For example, Turin is a very uniformly grid and one of the most beautiful cities . Improvised medieval urban planning is not always as beautiful, and can be less habitable (living in parts of central Seville, would be life inside some minotaur's labyrinth), by comparison to those more planned, square cities.

    And Napoli, is one of the most atmospherical, dirty and cool cities in Europe - it is mostly grids.


    age of rationality and efficiency swept all color, eccentricity, and beauty before it and created soulless monstrosities like Dallas TX.
     
    It relates a lot to density and transport, and not necessarily beauty of architecture, as you notice with Tokyo.

    Tokyo was mostly destroyed by American bombing in 1945. Modern Tokyo is mainly square buildings, without interest in architecture.

    But especially in night, you don't notice this with Tokyo, because there is so much density and commercial pedestrian life in the streets.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Upon reflection, I think you have convinced me regarding a grid design 🙂

    I still think that winding and meandering streets are better, but a grid design, provide there are mysterious side alleys, is not an insuperable obstacle to mystery and aesthetic appeal.

    Phnom Penh is an exuberant city of riotous color and fascinating side alleys, and it has a French designed grid.

    Definitely agree with you about Napoli!

    When young, I lived for a time in the Old City of Jerusalem, which is basically a medieval Turkish fortress-city, and it was one of the most adventurous periods of my life – I think living in a Minotaurs maze sounds fun 🙂

    Yes, Tokyo is downright bland and ugly architecturally! But manages to achieve – especially at night as you say – mystery, aesthetic appeal, and a sense of intimacy that invites discovery and exploration.

    But that is because of the bright neon fairy lights, the dense profusion of stores of every imaginable type, people, and activity, and the fascinating and intimate side alleys.

    I think the key element is – not too much control and let nature run a bit wild and disorganized, not too much rationality and efficiency, and let spontaneity in.

    I completely agree that current society is organized in an anti life and anti health way.

    And the curious thing is you can trace this back to the seminal thinkers who stand at the head of modernity.

    It was not an accidental develop, but the natural development of ideas that were right there at the beginning.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @AaronB


    I completely agree that current society is organized in an anti life and anti health way.

    And the curious thing is you can trace this back to the seminal thinkers who stand at the head of modernity.

    It was not an accidental develop, but the natural development of ideas that were right there at the beginning.
     
    Lol, this was meant for Barbarossa, and not Dmitry, as I know Dmitry thinks no such thing - or at least hasn't realize it yet :)
  1001. @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    although I certainly work to make my ideas more popular and spread as far and wide as possible
     
    To be specific, it's not my freedom that is threatened by your vision, but my very world itself. If most people thought and behaved as you do (or as you aim to), my world would be a very different place; I can't say for sure, but probably one that I wouldn't like very much.

    Of course, you have every right to try and popularize your ideas. I remain enough of a liberal that I wouldn't resort to any means whatsoever to prevent their spread (not that I have any power to prevent much of anything at the moment); I'd simply put forward an alternative vision and hope it prevails (or rather, remains regnant).

    However, I would only ask that my right to pursue my alternative is likewise respected – and you must admit, that as the world stands now, it is my lifestyle that is threatened far more than yours.
     
    How so?

    So far as I can see, only socially, not physically. You're free to live as you choose, but obviously some people will harshly disapprove of your choices. You may find yourself cast out. Yours is the eternal plaint of the misfit. I guess you could always try adding your name to the ever-growing list of victims whose victimhood requires urgent redress and whose "needs" society must be reengineered to satisfy. :)

    Btw, I was meaning to ask you, who are your favorite poets? I'm not a huge fan of poetry, and I certainly don't know enough about it to discuss it intelligently, but every so often I come across something that makes a deep impression on me. I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) - if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds - and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words. So I'm often on the hunt for something good, but I can't always be bothered slogging through the inevitable piles of crap on the way there.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Yahya, @Barbarossa

    I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) – if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds – and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words. So I’m often on the hunt for something good,


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    Gunga Din
    BY RUDYARD KIPLING

    You may talk o’ gin and beer
    When you’re quartered safe out ’ere,
    An’ you’re sent to penny-fights an’ Aldershot it;
    But when it comes to slaughter
    You will do your work on water,
    An’ you’ll lick the bloomin’ boots of ’im that’s got it.
    Now in Injia’s sunny clime,
    Where I used to spend my time
    A-servin’ of ’Er Majesty the Queen,
    Of all them blackfaced crew
    The finest man I knew
    Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din,

    He was ‘Din! Din! Din!
    ‘You limpin’ lump o’ brick-dust, Gunga Din!
    ‘Hi! Slippy hitherao
    ‘Water, get it! Panee lao,
    ‘You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din.’

    The uniform ’e wore
    Was nothin’ much before,
    An’ rather less than ’arf o’ that be’ind,
    For a piece o’ twisty rag
    An’ a goatskin water-bag
    Was all the field-equipment ’e could find.
    When the sweatin’ troop-train lay
    In a sidin’ through the day,
    Where the ’eat would make your bloomin’ eyebrows crawl,
    We shouted ‘Harry By!’
    Till our throats were bricky-dry,
    Then we wopped ’im ’cause ’e couldn’t serve us all.
    It was ‘Din! Din! Din!
    ‘You ’eathen, where the mischief ’ave you been?
    ‘You put some juldee in it
    ‘Or I’ll marrow you this minute
    ‘If you don’t fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!’

    ’E would dot an’ carry one
    Till the longest day was done;
    An’ ’e didn’t seem to know the use o’ fear.
    If we charged or broke or cut,
    You could bet your bloomin’ nut,
    ’E’d be waitin’ fifty paces right flank rear.
    With ’is mussick on ’is back,
    ’E would skip with our attack,
    An’ watch us till the bugles made ‘Retire,’
    An’ for all ’is dirty ’ide
    ’E was white, clear white, inside
    When ’e went to tend the wounded under fire!
    It was ‘Din! Din! Din!’
    With the bullets kickin’ dust-spots on the green.
    When the cartridges ran out,
    You could hear the front-ranks shout,
    ‘Hi! ammunition-mules an’ Gunga Din!’

    I shan’t forgit the night
    When I dropped be’ind the fight

    With a bullet where my belt-plate should ’a’ been.
    I was chokin’ mad with thirst,
    An’ the man that spied me first
    Was our good old grinnin’, gruntin’ Gunga Din.
    ’E lifted up my ’ead,
    An’ he plugged me where I bled,
    An’ ’e guv me ’arf-a-pint o’ water green.

    It was crawlin’ and it stunk,
    But of all the drinks I’ve drunk,
    I’m gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.
    It was ‘Din! Din! Din!

    ‘’Ere’s a beggar with a bullet through ’is spleen;
    ‘’E’s chawin’ up the ground,
    ‘An’ ’e’s kickin’ all around:
    ‘For Gawd’s sake git the water, Gunga Din!’

    ’E carried me away
    To where a dooli lay,
    An’ a bullet come an’ drilled the beggar clean.
    ’E put me safe inside,
    An’ just before ’e died,
    ‘I ’ope you liked your drink,’ sez Gunga Din.

    So I’ll meet ’im later on
    At the place where ’e is gone—
    Where it’s always double drill and no canteen.
    ’E’ll be squattin’ on the coals
    Givin’ drink to poor damned souls,
    An’ I’ll get a swig in hell from Gunga Din!
    Yes, Din! Din! Din!
    You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
    Though I’ve belted you and flayed you,
    By the livin’ Gawd that made you,
    You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46783/gunga-din

  1002. @utu
    @AP

    "It only takes some decency." - Thank you. People like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave each possibly for different reason arrived at the same position which was and still is (with the exception of G_r) to advocate Ukraine's surrender and accepting all Russia's demands. To me it is just the most obscene position one could take in the face of blatant military aggression of one state against another with the intention of liquidating the invaded state and liquidation of separate nationality by denying its existence. The objective of this Putin's war is de facto the ethnocide of Ukrainian nation.


    Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
     
    Regardless of their attempts to clarify and hypocritically dissimulate their position they are on the side of the aggressor. I have zero tolerance for it. At best they are Putin's useful idiots. Let's face the facts. Russia is weak on the battlefield. Her only strength is in the field of propaganda. Her success depends on undermining our resolve to oppose her. Russia counts on her useful idiots who are a part of much larger disinformation network that Russia has installed in the West. Useful idiots like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave are Putin weapons.

    "He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (even if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start “we will take no risks” is a green light for the Russians." - Thank you again. There are many reasons why the US and NATO should not have stated that nuclear weapons are off the table after Russia made explicit threats of using them.

    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict. Otherwise Ukraine regardless of Ukraine successes on the battlefield will remain under a permanent threat of escalation by Russia. NFZ would de facto mean accepting the sovereign state of Ukraine as a member of NATO. Sovereignty of Ukraine must be guaranteed against Russia's designs. There might be no other way to have a permanent and stable resolution for this war that denies Russia's objectives.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader, @Brás Cubas

    To me it is just the most obscene position one could take in the face of blatant military aggression of one state against another

    I haven’t advocated what you claim but more obscene than asking me to accept that any day now I’ll have to rush my 7-year old son to the basement with not much hope of saving his life because, according to you, the US does not have the right to stay aside of another war fueled by old ethnic disputes?

    Seeing you pole dancing in a miniskirt would not be more obscene than what you are advocating.

  1003. Tansnistria has some very colorful coinage, made out of composite materials:

    [MORE]

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170704125452/http://www.cbpmr.net/content.php?id=26&lang=en

    Someone left a funny, one-star review for a set, on Amazon:

    They don’t make Ruble coins, the coins are only Kopeks. The face value of this set is 19 Tansnistrian Kopek which is about a quarter the value of the Russian Kopek or $0.00063USD. Uncirculated or not, these coins aren’t worth any more than their face value unless the USSR reforms or Russia wipes Romania off the map.
    Currency from an unrecognized micro-nation is worth less than face value because you can barely find anywhere to exchange it and you’ll take a hit because they are taking currency that isn’t even backed by an economy, let alone a nation or precious metal reserves.

    But I think they replaced them with regular metal coins, after 2014.

  1004. When did the Chinese first put portraits or images on currency?

    I get the impression their first came a lot later than the West. Maybe, because the holes they put in coins?

  1005. @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    As a kid who grew up in town I can attest to the steep learning curve in agricultural/ animal husbandry. There really is a lot more to it than is commonly given credit for. Perhaps the biggest aspect is just doing things at the correct time and knowing what that time is. Not later. Not earlier. Just at the right time.

    Doing things at the wrong time, be it sowing seeds, turning out to pasture, allowing animals to breed etc. increases troubles and risk of spectacular failures. For example, if you breed your sheep too early you may end up with frozen lambs.

    It's really a lot of learning to work within the constraints of reality and then figuring out how to optimize those constraints to produce the results you want. Good systems will need relatively little work compared to systems which ignore the nature's of animals and plants.

    But anyhow, I hope you keep up with a bit of vegetable growing, despite past difficulties. The big thing is to start with something that isn't so damnably easy to kill. When all else fails there is always cucumbers or squash. If you plant those you'll be guaranteed to feel like a horticultural genius!

    Replies: @iffen

    When all else fails there is always cucumbers or squash. If you plant those you’ll be guaranteed to feel like a horticultural genius!

    Evidently your growing environment doesn’t have downy mildew or anthracnose.

  1006. @Peter Frost
    @Mr. Hack

    Do you find that the horrific scenes of senseless slaughter, destruction of people’s homes, stories of rape and pillage “unbearable” because they’re an accurate reflection of what Russian military soldiers have perpetrated in places like Bucha (Mariupol ...

    In the case of Mariupol, they're certainly an accurate reflection of what Ukrainian "soldiers" have perpetrated.

    As for Bucha, I have trouble believing that dead bodies could be left in the open for so long and show no signs of being eaten by stray dogs. If you know anything about Ukrainian towns, they have very large numbers of hungry stray dogs, as well as crows and rats.

    I guess the retreating Russian soldiers sprayed the bodies with cyanide. In fact, they did everything possible to maximize the shock effect.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @no_bs

    This victim of a Russian execution in Bucha already looks like a mummy, so he’s been there for at least a couple of weeks.

    https://twitter.com/AvakovArsen/status/1510909132437704704/photo/3

    All of the faces of the victims in Bucha look like this, and that’s exactly how they should look after at least a week in the open.

    You haven’t even bothered to seek out any images of their faces. So quit making things up.

  1007. @LatW
    @Mikel


    But you shouldn’t misinterpret what’s really going on
     
    I'm not, you like to believe that it's all media brainwashing while it's genuine outrage. I've never seen these levels of engagement (except maybe the late 1980s in Eastern Europe).



    Btw, the world is quite aware of the Yemeni situation (I've seen many humanitarian ads and the famine there really was awful, especially compared to the lavishness of the neighboring countries). But please let's admit that there is civilizational vicinity with Ukrainians and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's not ok to take a large European state and straight out destroy it. You cannot expect the Western public to be ok with that. These are exquisite levels of brutality not seen since Chechnya. Please read the doc I shared from Ria Novosti. It's a fascist program for the elimination of the Ukrainian nation. It'll be added to the evidence that will be filed in the Hague. Who does the Russian think he is that he can decide whether we exist or not?

    the civilian victims in Donbass
     
    Are you aware that the Russian occupiers are ravaging Luhansk region right now, as we speak? It could be cleared of all population for the sole purposes of Russian territorial takeover. Are you aware that the majority of the victims in this war so far might in fact be Russophone? These may be by the way some of the last Russophones outside of Russia's borders.

    You may dislike that some people here express much more nuanced and diverse opinions than what everybody can read on CNN 24×7
     
    People here express "nuanced opinions" on both sides. If I disliked that, I wouldn't come here for my daily dose of fundie. For instance, utu has expressed very nuanced opinions that I find enjoyable. And I don't live off of a CNN & FB diet, it's a very small percentage of what I watch.

    With a facebook-tier censorship on this blog that made everybody conform to the dominant narrative, I doubt you’d find it worthwhile to comment here.
     
    Very convenient to deem anyone that posts what you don't like a potential facebook chekist. I have never called for any kind of censorship of these comments and wouldn't, even if I had the power over it. So wrong address, buddy.

    I'm not going to pry as to why your friend decided to fight against the interests of his own people, but, please, understand that those of us with normal healthy instincts do not consider that some civilizational or moral achievement.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

    You cannot expect the Western public to be ok with that.

    There is something unusual about this case, our local council is flying a big Ukrainian flag on the town square next to the county flag and access to Russian and Belarusian news/opinion websites is being blocked (never known something like this in my lifetime), so there is a definite level of institutional support for Ukraine.

    This is maybe to counter the fact that until a few weeks ago there was a widespread assumption that Belarus and Ukraine were part of Russia already (legacy of Czarist times and the USSR).

  1008. @AaronB
    @Dmitry


    You can see the source I posted. Infant mortality was falling rapidly in the beginning of the 20th century in Great Britain (and earlier as well).
     
    Fair enough.

    Well, regarding the world and other people as mechanical devices, which are dead, flows naturally from "Cartesian dualism."

    If mind is a property of matter (or matter of mind, as I prefer), then every "thing" in the world is "ensouled".

    Animist cultures view animals, trees, mountains, rivers, valleys, as having "souls", because they view consciousness as a property of matter, as literally inhering in and being inseparable from matter - or better put, the world is consciousness or soul.

    Cartesian dualism posits mind as an utterly separate phenomenon from matter - therefore, for the first time matter can be examined as entirely a dead mechanical device.

    I think this is the standard interpretation of Descartes - the distinctive feature of modernity is widely acknowledged to be the metaphor of world as mechanical device, and Descartes is widely considered seminal in the development of the modern world view.

    And Descartes took the decisive revolutionary step of separating soul and matter as two distinct and incompatible entities, rather than two aspects - or two "faces" - of one thing.

    Rationalism in philosophy says two things - reason and logic are the sole source of knowledge, and experience is second class knowledge.

    In other words, if real world experience contradicts logic, logic wins.

    Is this not a recipe for delusion and madness? And yet in this way too Descartes is the father of modernity, as modernity has accepted that logic and reason are the sole sources of knowledge.

    Yet logic and reason break down wholes into their constituent parts - while this can be useful, does this not blind us to wholes?

    Finally, if logic and reason - and not experience - are our sole sources of knowledge then this downgrades engagement with the actual world, and prefers "representation" (the map) to reality.

    A person who is disengaged from the world - is he not only more prone to delusion (out of touch with reality, as we say), but also lacking in emotional concern, i.e, "devitalized", demotivated, and "dead" inside?

    And is this not the problem with modern Western man that everyone complains about?

    Descartes indeed said that he cannot see how his feelings and emotions "concern" him.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You’re still being so weird. Using endless paragraphs of Cartesian rationality to try to persuade people, and yourself, that Cartesian rationality is “death” and false.

    None of your arguments are from experience and especially none of your prized “ideology.”

    I would have thought you might have learned something by now. I told you everything you needed before. Where’s the self-reflection?

  1009. Bucha street bodies captured on drone video before RF retreat:

    There are three main reasons that we can confidently assert that the footage we are publishing was filmed before Russian troops withdrew from Bucha:

    Firstly, Russia military equipment is clearly visible on Yablonska Street, both in multiple videos and across different days. Several armored vehicles appear there between March 23 and March 28. In a video dated March 29, there is no longer any Russian military equipment on the street. The Ukrainian army doesn’t use this type of equipment.

    Secondly, our source provided us with the raw files: the original videos recorded by the drone. These files contain detailed metadata, including the time the footage was captured.
    Thirdly, since metadata can be tampered with, we had two independent experts verify when the videos were shot, using chronolocation techniques. Their findings allowed us to confirm that the times in the metadata matches the actual times when the footage was recorded, and that the first video of the bodies couldn’t have been filmed after March 26, 2022.

    The Russian Defense Ministry had not responded to Meduza’s request for comment at the time of publication.

    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation

  1010. I’d expect Our Benevolent Overlord to start a new thread by now, but he might be overwhelmed by all the good and bad news as ever.

  1011. @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Time for you to be honest with yourself and come back to reality." - Not very likely but possible in cases of Mikel and German_reader.

    Useful idiocy of characters like Mikel or German_reader has its origin in the same psycho-operation that was performed on the brains of rightoids in last 5-10 years which resulted in complete distrust and hostility towards 'official' narratives promulgated by the MSM and thus the first reaction they always have is: 'they are lying' as they did on issues X, Y and X and thus I must believe only those who say the opposite to what the MSM say and even more so when they are vilified by the MSM. Obviously this is a fallacious syllogism but they get trapped in it. This fallacious syllogism is often used explicitly by Ron Unz.

    But what makes Mikel and German_reader different from typical denizens of the Ron Unz's rightoid sabbath is that Mikel and German_reader could be mistaken for normal people (unlike majority of unz-dot-com commentariat), that in most social contexts their pathology would remains hidden under the surface and would not manifest itself except for a minor trait of passive aggressiveness to cut down any certainty you may display which is a form of projection as they lack certainty and courage so they want to bring you to their 'misery likes company' reality. You could imagine having drinks with them and never noticing what is beneath the surface.

    But most important reason for the difference is that Mikel and German_reader have a very strong feminine element (*) in their personas and that's why they emphasizes passivity and concerns for suffering of civilians and women and children in particular. Acts of active resistance are too risky and too masculine for them. Zelensky challenges that and that's why he irks them very much to the point of hatred. They would like Ukraine to lay down, spread her legs and enjoy what Russia will do to her. This case of projection is utilized very well by Kremlin propaganda.

    Mikel and German_reader belong to the faction of cunts and twats rather than openly deplorable fetishists of power and 'might makes right' among Putin supporters.

    While Mikel or German_reader may argue like rightoids deep down they are liberals who feel betrayed by liberalism and what they often sputter in form of whinging (very visible in German_reader) is the deep sense of betrayal (accusation d of hypocrisy of the West) but there is not an ounce of any conviction left in them. Their only moral dilemma is when to spread their legs so it does not look like too premature invitation to rape. Even cunts and twats still care for some appearance of dignity.

    (*) 'feminine element' as an archetype that many women do not have but when the feminine element dominates woman's personality there is not dissonance and there is no lack of courage but when a man has feminine element dominat it is sure sign of cowardliness and nothing else comes to one's mind than a twat or a cunt.

    Replies: @Mikel, @iffen, @PhysicistDave, @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, I think this is pretty much right. I don’t get “reacts” and also only get 3 comments in 24 hours, but this sums it up.

    Many of these people will retreat into pretending that they were always only against bloodshed in order to hide the fact that they had the emotional need for Russia to be dominant and just take Ukraine from the beginning. They’ll probably never even begin to wonder why their arguments were so bizarre, or weighted to one side, because they don’t want to see their real motivations.

    Take PhysisictDave, for example, an intelligent individual who mostly tries to be good. Not that long ago, he was ghoulishly boasting about how Kyiv would all be flattened to rubble, with rubble dancing on rubble, by Russian artillery.

    Not only did this seem to get him wet, but his heat meant that he didn’t even apply his knowledge of physics to such an outlandish claim. But now that his fantasy is not going to happen, and he can no longer declare that Ukraine just submit to Russia, as should the West, he retreats to mawkish statements on how much he hates war, or slavery, or sharks, or whatever.

    The formula seem to be “bad, bad America” has done something so “big bold other Russia” must have its way with Ukraine and Ukraine must submit.

    These are men with dependency issues.

    Older covertly co-dependent men are suckers for this kind of argument. They don’t even begin to realise how vulnerable they are, because they don’t identify as the person they actually are. They can’t own their co-dependency because it is not something they can associate with the “male.”

    They can only protect their self-esteem by thinking themselves superior and above the people (normally their wives) who treat them like they would never treat anyone else, but this is a fool’s compensation. The doormat is not the adult to their partner, but an object. And now they weep and beg for Ukraine to be a doormat to Russia!

    For those men: you have a doormat “aspect ‘ to your personality. It likely doesn’t define you since you are older and probably more complex than the general antisocial personalities on this board, but you should acknowledge it anyway.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Practical Western celebrity case in point - Putin bad gangster, but don't give guns to self defence from him, cause it's racist to do so, lol:


    Roger Waters condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in an open letter to 19-year-old Ukrainian woman named Alina Mitrofanova. “I am disgusted by [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s invasion of Ukraine,” he wrote Wednesday.

    “It is a criminal mistake in my opinion, the act of a gangster. There must be an immediate ceasefire. I regret that Western governments are fueling the fire that will destroy your beautiful country by pouring arms into Ukraine, instead of engaging in the diplomacy that will be necessary to stop the slaughter.”

    In his note to her, Waters provided a link to an op-ed he’d written last week for Brave New Europe in which he also condemned the war. “Russia is an unadulterated neoliberal capitalist gangster’s paradise, modeled during the time of its horrific restructuring under Boris Yeltsin (1991 – 1999) on the United States of America,” he wrote. “It should come as no surprise that its autocratic, and possibly unhinged leader, Vladimir Putin, has no more respect for the UN Charter and international law than recent presidents of the United States or prime ministers of England have had.”

    Waters also blasted the American news media in the Brave New Europe missive for implying that the Ukrainian war was a greater atrocity than western invasions in Afghanistan or Iraq because “[Ukrainians] look like us.” “The implication is that it’s somehow more acceptable to make war on people whose skin is brown or black and drive them from their homes than people who ‘look like us,'” he wrote “It’s not. All refugees, all people who struggle are our brothers and sisters.”

     

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/roger-water-russia-ukraine-1319000/

    Meanwhile the rest of Pink Floyd yesterday released a new song with UA lyrics supporting the fight against invaders:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saEpkcVi1d4
  1012. @Triteleia Laxa
    @utu

    Yes, I think this is pretty much right. I don't get "reacts" and also only get 3 comments in 24 hours, but this sums it up.

    Many of these people will retreat into pretending that they were always only against bloodshed in order to hide the fact that they had the emotional need for Russia to be dominant and just take Ukraine from the beginning. They'll probably never even begin to wonder why their arguments were so bizarre, or weighted to one side, because they don't want to see their real motivations.

    Take PhysisictDave, for example, an intelligent individual who mostly tries to be good. Not that long ago, he was ghoulishly boasting about how Kyiv would all be flattened to rubble, with rubble dancing on rubble, by Russian artillery.

    Not only did this seem to get him wet, but his heat meant that he didn't even apply his knowledge of physics to such an outlandish claim. But now that his fantasy is not going to happen, and he can no longer declare that Ukraine just submit to Russia, as should the West, he retreats to mawkish statements on how much he hates war, or slavery, or sharks, or whatever.

    The formula seem to be "bad, bad America" has done something so "big bold other Russia" must have its way with Ukraine and Ukraine must submit.

    These are men with dependency issues.

    Older covertly co-dependent men are suckers for this kind of argument. They don't even begin to realise how vulnerable they are, because they don't identify as the person they actually are. They can't own their co-dependency because it is not something they can associate with the "male."

    They can only protect their self-esteem by thinking themselves superior and above the people (normally their wives) who treat them like they would never treat anyone else, but this is a fool's compensation. The doormat is not the adult to their partner, but an object. And now they weep and beg for Ukraine to be a doormat to Russia!

    For those men: you have a doormat "aspect ' to your personality. It likely doesn't define you since you are older and probably more complex than the general antisocial personalities on this board, but you should acknowledge it anyway.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Practical Western celebrity case in point – Putin bad gangster, but don’t give guns to self defence from him, cause it’s racist to do so, lol:

    Roger Waters condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in an open letter to 19-year-old Ukrainian woman named Alina Mitrofanova. “I am disgusted by [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s invasion of Ukraine,” he wrote Wednesday.

    “It is a criminal mistake in my opinion, the act of a gangster. There must be an immediate ceasefire. I regret that Western governments are fueling the fire that will destroy your beautiful country by pouring arms into Ukraine, instead of engaging in the diplomacy that will be necessary to stop the slaughter.”

    In his note to her, Waters provided a link to an op-ed he’d written last week for Brave New Europe in which he also condemned the war. “Russia is an unadulterated neoliberal capitalist gangster’s paradise, modeled during the time of its horrific restructuring under Boris Yeltsin (1991 – 1999) on the United States of America,” he wrote. “It should come as no surprise that its autocratic, and possibly unhinged leader, Vladimir Putin, has no more respect for the UN Charter and international law than recent presidents of the United States or prime ministers of England have had.”

    Waters also blasted the American news media in the Brave New Europe missive for implying that the Ukrainian war was a greater atrocity than western invasions in Afghanistan or Iraq because “[Ukrainians] look like us.” “The implication is that it’s somehow more acceptable to make war on people whose skin is brown or black and drive them from their homes than people who ‘look like us,’” he wrote “It’s not. All refugees, all people who struggle are our brothers and sisters.”

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/roger-water-russia-ukraine-1319000/

    Meanwhile the rest of Pink Floyd yesterday released a new song with UA lyrics supporting the fight against invaders:

  1013. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @AP

    "It only takes some decency." - Thank you. People like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave each possibly for different reason arrived at the same position which was and still is (with the exception of G_r) to advocate Ukraine's surrender and accepting all Russia's demands. To me it is just the most obscene position one could take in the face of blatant military aggression of one state against another with the intention of liquidating the invaded state and liquidation of separate nationality by denying its existence. The objective of this Putin's war is de facto the ethnocide of Ukrainian nation.


    Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
     
    Regardless of their attempts to clarify and hypocritically dissimulate their position they are on the side of the aggressor. I have zero tolerance for it. At best they are Putin's useful idiots. Let's face the facts. Russia is weak on the battlefield. Her only strength is in the field of propaganda. Her success depends on undermining our resolve to oppose her. Russia counts on her useful idiots who are a part of much larger disinformation network that Russia has installed in the West. Useful idiots like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave are Putin weapons.

    "He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (even if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start “we will take no risks” is a green light for the Russians." - Thank you again. There are many reasons why the US and NATO should not have stated that nuclear weapons are off the table after Russia made explicit threats of using them.

    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict. Otherwise Ukraine regardless of Ukraine successes on the battlefield will remain under a permanent threat of escalation by Russia. NFZ would de facto mean accepting the sovereign state of Ukraine as a member of NATO. Sovereignty of Ukraine must be guaranteed against Russia's designs. There might be no other way to have a permanent and stable resolution for this war that denies Russia's objectives.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader, @Brás Cubas

    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict.

    Why don’t you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. And anybody who opposes that is a Putin shill?
    I also feel that you’re mischaracterizing my position. I don’t think I have ever advocated for Ukraine just to surrender and I still support sending weapons like anti-tank and anti-air missiles to Ukraine. To my knowledge I have also never expressed sympathy for Russian chauvinists who think Ukrainians are Russians, they just don’t know it yet and need to be reminded of the fact by FSB torture squads (like Karlin did in his pro-war piece just before the invasion). I also haven’t doubted that Russian troops did commit war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian towns. I think the talk about “genocide” is not to be taken seriously and obviously propagandistic, but it’s certainly plausible that Russian soldiers are doing their usual looting and raping routine and killing Ukrainian men they suspect of supporting the Ukrainian national cause. And since Russia invaded Ukraine, the responsibility for this is entirely on Russia.
    So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict, or at least much more right than Russians with their disgusting imperialist visions, and I certainly don’t want Russia to win this war by imposing Russian dictat on Ukraine. However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests. It also seems to be incapable of tolerating any dissent at all. One sees this in this blog too. I’m away for a few days and get compared by you to a woman that enjoys being raped (or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up), and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here. Certainly none of them seem to object to this style of discourse as long as it’s for their favourite cause.
    So good riddance. I think I’m going to avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst, but the rest of you are also terrible, nothing but your narrow-minded chauvinisms and far too much history on the brain. As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Just a final question while you're still here, what would you ideally like to study (PHD thesis, personal interest, whatever) regarding your Latin?

    Sorry if it seemed like I was making fun of you before, but I do think you take toxic online discourse too seriously. Not to sound like AaronB, but when I see utu being a nasty old bastard to people, or just general idiocy here, you just have to find the humour in it. And honestly, sometimes I have laughed at the peevishness of your comments occasionally. Again, sorry, because it does like you're not having a good time in life.
    Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to avoid hearing about Ukraine or its ugly partisans if you leave here, at least in Germany.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Bit offtopic as you enraged now by utu's usual over the topness, but what's with the antiNazi raids in Germany? Was it any specific targeting - pro-RF or anti-RF or no any difference? Even thought for a second you might have been targeted too, as your break coincided with it...

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @utu
    @German_reader

    "Why don’t you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. ". - You ask a question and then you answer it but incorrectly. Obviously NFZ would not mean attacking targets in Russia. No different than Russian operation in Syria on Syrian territory by invitation of legitimate government of Syria. I was in favor of Russian operation in Syria. It helped to preserve the integrity of Syria and led to ending major hostilities within Syria. For the same reason I would support NATO NFZ over Ukraine.

    "So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict....I certainly don’t want Russia to win this war...However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side....moral blackmail ...gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests." - This is so you. I do not mischaracterize you. You are so pathetic. Selfish little twat.

    "and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here" - PutinistDave objected and called me a psychopath for that post, so you can go to him and cry on his shoulder.

    "As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it." - I on the other hand wish you a very long life because being you is more than enough suffering one can bear. Miserable life is your destiny with bad dreams in which Zelensky's courage will reproach your pathetic emasculated personality.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Yevardian, @German_reader

    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests.
     
    I feel the same way. Unfortunately for them, their approach backfires when it comes to people like me - it makes me care much less than I otherwise might have. When it comes to this particular conflict, I care essentially zero for Ukrainian suffering, and the main reason is the way their side has carried on and insisted that I simply must become as hysterical as they are. Ukrainians and their supporters act like it's the west's fault they got themselves into this mess, and therefore it's incumbent on the west to step in and save their asses. The fuck it is. You made your bed, go lie in it.

    There is a possum in my backyard that I have befriended (AaronB's influence lol). I feed him apples, which he takes from my hand, and allows me to pet him while he eats them. Sounds awful to say it, but I would quite frankly be more disturbed if I were to never see that possum again than I am about this Bucha thing (which may indeed have happened, or it may be hyped up bullshit, and if so, it would hardly be the first time).
    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up
     
    One of utu's character flaws is that he tends to the obscene - not the the ribald - but really twisted and perverse stuff. Weirdly personal images, so that a normal person would wonder, if they are his fantasies. But I suspect that he only does it for the power trip.

    Perhaps, utu feels some bitterness arising out of communism, but I'd like to think that he would have at least had a cleaner mind, if the USSR and Warsaw Pact had not broken up.

    Not to deny him agency, but I believe he is the victim of both worlds meeting. From Communism, the bitter memories of deprivation and, from the West, the total degeneracy and consumerism of modern Western media, which he probably has been overawed by and, consequentially, overindulged in.

    Anyway, don't let a narcissist get you down. There is humor in his curmedugeonliness, even though, he does not intend it.
    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    mischaracterizing my position.
     
    If you haven't been insulted by Utu, you're not part of the forum. This is how he relaxes when he comes home from the office. You just have to accept you are one of us now and cannot escape.

    being seen as totally ok or even laudable
     
    Lol because being insulted by Utu, is the sport of the forum. He provides us with a customized service. The more creatively he insulted you, the highest your score. I still have higher scores than you.

    But generally, the forum is losing its "disagreeableness" in the last months. Yevardian is writing about his interest in Roman history, Silviosilver is asking for poetry recommendation. AaronB is trying to impress us with scary stories about his " dangerous vices" - drinking unpasteurized milk.

    Utu's insults are like a lost memory of our forum's primitive past under the recent months of civilization, as he is halfway between the two worlds, of civilization and primitivizm. He is educated and intelligent, but with the disagreeableness that reminds of the atmosphere in this forum in the past years when we were led by a Caucasian with his Chinese attack panda, etc.


    avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst,

     

    I guess I'm nowadays the only person here originating from Russia, we also used to have Melanf and Anon4/Bashibuzuk. Polite netizens.

    high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future,

     

    Eastern Europeans here are only LatW and Suddendeath, unless I forgot someone. Baltic countries in recent years are like almost half-way to Aryans anyway. Well, if we believed the OECD reports.

    Replies: @songbird

  1014. Just another attack to civilian targets by the Ukrainian regime not different from the attack to Donetsk city center. The Ukrainian regime is claiming that it was a Russian one (although Russia has not Tochka-U anymore and Ukraine has many of them). It seems as a typical behavior of Zelensky’s regime modus operandi but this fake is too crude. Anyway, the Western propaganda machine is painting the attack as “Russia’s attack”.
    This highlight the necessity of completing the cleansing of Ukronazis troops in the Donbass. They will keep going on with this type of atrocities.

    https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1512356177836920832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1512356177836920832%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Felpais.com%2Finternacional%2F2022-04-08%2Fvarios-muertos-en-un-ataque-de-rusia-a-una-estacion-de-tren-repleta-de-civiles-que-huian-del-este-de-ucrania.html

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Aedib


    although Russia has not Tochka-U anymore
     
    Yet another deliberate(?) lie from you in order to desperately whitewash the crimes of RF as it still has more than plenty of usable Tochkas and deployed it while attacking UA:

    В ходе так называемой "деэскалациии на киевском и черниговском направлениях" из приграничных с Украиной районов осуществляется отвод ряда частей российских Вооруженных сил. Среди прочего на видеокадрах российских военных колонн можно заметить пусковые установки ракетного комплекса 9К79 "Точка-У" . Данный комплекс официально был снят с вооружения в 2019 г. (фактически в 2021 г.) , но военная необходимость заставила снова вернуть его в строй. Вполне вероятно в штатный состав дивизии/бригады возвращен отдельный ракетный дивизион.
     
    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1475422.html

    Replies: @Aedib

  1015. I’m seriously starting to lean towards thinking Russia will lose this war, or at come out with an extremely pyrrhic victory at best. Frankly I have no idea this could entail longterm. Maybe anything is better than an eternal status quo.

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @Yevardian

    No. It is a matter of time. The Ukr fuel and transport infrastructure is subject to a methodical destruction. Ukr forces are depleting ammo, food and fuel. They are already inmobilized. It’s pure attrition.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @Yevardian

    Putin is winning on his terms, which is the terms of Zhirik/Dugin, and he is adapting the North Korean model for Russia. 10-15% drop in GDP is probably not far enough for Eurasianists who wish the entire middle class to pick up farming or artisanry again. But it's iconoclastic, like Iran post-revolution or N Korea in the 90s, both the subject of economic warfare. That breaks the idol of extraction-centered economic growth as development and going the way of Juche with Russian characteristics.

    The West can't see it because they're still stuck with "technological growth = development", despite some calls for degrowth.

  1016. @Aedib
    Just another attack to civilian targets by the Ukrainian regime not different from the attack to Donetsk city center. The Ukrainian regime is claiming that it was a Russian one (although Russia has not Tochka-U anymore and Ukraine has many of them). It seems as a typical behavior of Zelensky’s regime modus operandi but this fake is too crude. Anyway, the Western propaganda machine is painting the attack as “Russia’s attack”.
    This highlight the necessity of completing the cleansing of Ukronazis troops in the Donbass. They will keep going on with this type of atrocities.

    https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1512356177836920832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1512356177836920832%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Felpais.com%2Finternacional%2F2022-04-08%2Fvarios-muertos-en-un-ataque-de-rusia-a-una-estacion-de-tren-repleta-de-civiles-que-huian-del-este-de-ucrania.html

    Replies: @sudden death

    although Russia has not Tochka-U anymore

    Yet another deliberate(?) lie from you in order to desperately whitewash the crimes of RF as it still has more than plenty of usable Tochkas and deployed it while attacking UA:

    В ходе так называемой “деэскалациии на киевском и черниговском направлениях” из приграничных с Украиной районов осуществляется отвод ряда частей российских Вооруженных сил. Среди прочего на видеокадрах российских военных колонн можно заметить пусковые установки ракетного комплекса 9К79 “Точка-У” . Данный комплекс официально был снят с вооружения в 2019 г. (фактически в 2021 г.) , но военная необходимость заставила снова вернуть его в строй. Вполне вероятно в штатный состав дивизии/бригады возвращен отдельный ракетный дивизион.

    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1475422.html

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @sudden death

    I know you are indoctrinated to defend Ukrainian war crimes, but when the missile is Ukrainian and it was launched from an Ukrainian position, the fake is too difficult to defend. So you will have to use some king of conspiracy theory in order to justify the war crimes of Zelensky’s regime.


    https://twitter.com/MapsUkr.../status/1512385602142023681...

    https://twitter.com/KDima777/status/1512389036664627204

    Veritatis Splendor

    Replies: @sudden death

  1017. @German_reader
    @utu


    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict.
     
    Why don't you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. And anybody who opposes that is a Putin shill?
    I also feel that you're mischaracterizing my position. I don't think I have ever advocated for Ukraine just to surrender and I still support sending weapons like anti-tank and anti-air missiles to Ukraine. To my knowledge I have also never expressed sympathy for Russian chauvinists who think Ukrainians are Russians, they just don't know it yet and need to be reminded of the fact by FSB torture squads (like Karlin did in his pro-war piece just before the invasion). I also haven't doubted that Russian troops did commit war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian towns. I think the talk about "genocide" is not to be taken seriously and obviously propagandistic, but it's certainly plausible that Russian soldiers are doing their usual looting and raping routine and killing Ukrainian men they suspect of supporting the Ukrainian national cause. And since Russia invaded Ukraine, the responsibility for this is entirely on Russia.
    So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict, or at least much more right than Russians with their disgusting imperialist visions, and I certainly don't want Russia to win this war by imposing Russian dictat on Ukraine. However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests. It also seems to be incapable of tolerating any dissent at all. One sees this in this blog too. I'm away for a few days and get compared by you to a woman that enjoys being raped (or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up), and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here. Certainly none of them seem to object to this style of discourse as long as it's for their favourite cause.
    So good riddance. I think I'm going to avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst, but the rest of you are also terrible, nothing but your narrow-minded chauvinisms and far too much history on the brain. As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @utu, @silviosilver, @songbird, @Dmitry

    Just a final question while you’re still here, what would you ideally like to study (PHD thesis, personal interest, whatever) regarding your Latin?

    Sorry if it seemed like I was making fun of you before, but I do think you take toxic online discourse too seriously. Not to sound like AaronB, but when I see utu being a nasty old bastard to people, or just general idiocy here, you just have to find the humour in it. And honestly, sometimes I have laughed at the peevishness of your comments occasionally. Again, sorry, because it does like you’re not having a good time in life.
    Unfortunately, I don’t think you’ll be able to avoid hearing about Ukraine or its ugly partisans if you leave here, at least in Germany.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Again, sorry, because it does like you’re not having a good time in life.
     
    One could put it like that.
    I'm not going to *study* anything, my interest in Latin is limited to reading texts for my private entertainment (will try to read more of Tacitus, maybe eventually Ammianus, also have a long list of medieval texts I want to look at). I have already written a PhD thesis (not about Latin though). It was one of the worst experiences in my life and I wouldn't recommend doing the same (at least in something humanities-related) to you or to anybody else. You're more than likely going to ruin your life. However much you think you're interested in a subject, it's not worth it.
    Anyway, all the best to you. You and songbird (all the best to him as well) are two commenters I'm going to miss interacting with, but my tolerance for the rest of this comments section has run out. Bye.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

  1018. @Yevardian
    I'm seriously starting to lean towards thinking Russia will lose this war, or at come out with an extremely pyrrhic victory at best. Frankly I have no idea this could entail longterm. Maybe anything is better than an eternal status quo.

    Replies: @Aedib, @Yellowface Anon

    No. It is a matter of time. The Ukr fuel and transport infrastructure is subject to a methodical destruction. Ukr forces are depleting ammo, food and fuel. They are already inmobilized. It’s pure attrition.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Aedib

    Asking in good faith here, do you think that statement sounds realistic with the Ukraine wide borders open with Romania and Poland, both NATO members, with the US apparently willing to supply Ukraine against Russia indefinitely at this stage?
    Most of the Ukraine is a huge flatland, and north is now completely unoccupied, so how 'immobilised'?

    You can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, and explain why, but this seems like a commonsense response to what you said.

    Replies: @A123, @Aedib

  1019. @Yevardian
    I'm seriously starting to lean towards thinking Russia will lose this war, or at come out with an extremely pyrrhic victory at best. Frankly I have no idea this could entail longterm. Maybe anything is better than an eternal status quo.

    Replies: @Aedib, @Yellowface Anon

    Putin is winning on his terms, which is the terms of Zhirik/Dugin, and he is adapting the North Korean model for Russia. 10-15% drop in GDP is probably not far enough for Eurasianists who wish the entire middle class to pick up farming or artisanry again. But it’s iconoclastic, like Iran post-revolution or N Korea in the 90s, both the subject of economic warfare. That breaks the idol of extraction-centered economic growth as development and going the way of Juche with Russian characteristics.

    The West can’t see it because they’re still stuck with “technological growth = development”, despite some calls for degrowth.

  1020. @German_reader
    @utu


    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict.
     
    Why don't you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. And anybody who opposes that is a Putin shill?
    I also feel that you're mischaracterizing my position. I don't think I have ever advocated for Ukraine just to surrender and I still support sending weapons like anti-tank and anti-air missiles to Ukraine. To my knowledge I have also never expressed sympathy for Russian chauvinists who think Ukrainians are Russians, they just don't know it yet and need to be reminded of the fact by FSB torture squads (like Karlin did in his pro-war piece just before the invasion). I also haven't doubted that Russian troops did commit war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian towns. I think the talk about "genocide" is not to be taken seriously and obviously propagandistic, but it's certainly plausible that Russian soldiers are doing their usual looting and raping routine and killing Ukrainian men they suspect of supporting the Ukrainian national cause. And since Russia invaded Ukraine, the responsibility for this is entirely on Russia.
    So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict, or at least much more right than Russians with their disgusting imperialist visions, and I certainly don't want Russia to win this war by imposing Russian dictat on Ukraine. However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests. It also seems to be incapable of tolerating any dissent at all. One sees this in this blog too. I'm away for a few days and get compared by you to a woman that enjoys being raped (or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up), and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here. Certainly none of them seem to object to this style of discourse as long as it's for their favourite cause.
    So good riddance. I think I'm going to avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst, but the rest of you are also terrible, nothing but your narrow-minded chauvinisms and far too much history on the brain. As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @utu, @silviosilver, @songbird, @Dmitry

    Bit offtopic as you enraged now by utu’s usual over the topness, but what’s with the antiNazi raids in Germany? Was it any specific targeting – pro-RF or anti-RF or no any difference? Even thought for a second you might have been targeted too, as your break coincided with it…

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Was it any specific targeting – pro-RF or anti-RF or no any difference? Even thought for a second you might have been targeted too, as your break coincided with it…
     
    I'm not active in neo-Nazi circles, and I don't write anything at all on German-language internet, so no, I wasn't affected.
    I don't think there's any connection at all to the Ukraine war, it's just the usual German Kampf gegen Rechts (maybe even legitimate in this case, if it was really about genuine neo-Nazis plotting violence. The German establishment is still evil though).
  1021. @Aedib
    @Yevardian

    No. It is a matter of time. The Ukr fuel and transport infrastructure is subject to a methodical destruction. Ukr forces are depleting ammo, food and fuel. They are already inmobilized. It’s pure attrition.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Asking in good faith here, do you think that statement sounds realistic with the Ukraine wide borders open with Romania and Poland, both NATO members, with the US apparently willing to supply Ukraine against Russia indefinitely at this stage?
    Most of the Ukraine is a huge flatland, and north is now completely unoccupied, so how ‘immobilised’?

    You can tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, and explain why, but this seems like a commonsense response to what you said.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yevardian


    Most of the Ukraine is a huge flatland, and north is now completely unoccupied, so how ‘immobilised’?
     
    I do not think that is the best word choice, but I believe I grasp the intent.

    --DEFENSE-- Ukrainian defense has done well by using infantry & irregulars with anti-armor weapons. The forces dispersed throughout an area and units found cover that made them hard to find.

    --OFFENSE-- How are Ukrainian forces going to advance across, as you put it, a huge unoccupied flat land? The techniques they have used to date do not lend themselves to expeditiously surging through exposed areas.
    ____

    The situation may be headed to LOSE-LOSE. If Ukraine cannot recover lost territory, it is hard to see how they "Win". However, without an armistice deal, Russia is likely facing perpetual insurgency. That is not a "Win" for their side either.

    This could drag out for months or even years.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Aedib
    @Yevardian

    NATO regimes can feed some Switchblades, Stinger, NLAW and Soviet stuff. They are already doing it but this can’t prevent the demolition of the Ukrainian transport infrastructure that is already happening. This flow will not prevent the destruction of Ukrainian troops placed in the Western Donbass cauldron. The Western aim is to prolong the attrition and made it bloodier. Western Ukrainian is another thing, more complicated for the Russian side.

  1022. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Bit offtopic as you enraged now by utu's usual over the topness, but what's with the antiNazi raids in Germany? Was it any specific targeting - pro-RF or anti-RF or no any difference? Even thought for a second you might have been targeted too, as your break coincided with it...

    Replies: @German_reader

    Was it any specific targeting – pro-RF or anti-RF or no any difference? Even thought for a second you might have been targeted too, as your break coincided with it…

    I’m not active in neo-Nazi circles, and I don’t write anything at all on German-language internet, so no, I wasn’t affected.
    I don’t think there’s any connection at all to the Ukraine war, it’s just the usual German Kampf gegen Rechts (maybe even legitimate in this case, if it was really about genuine neo-Nazis plotting violence. The German establishment is still evil though).

  1023. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Just a final question while you're still here, what would you ideally like to study (PHD thesis, personal interest, whatever) regarding your Latin?

    Sorry if it seemed like I was making fun of you before, but I do think you take toxic online discourse too seriously. Not to sound like AaronB, but when I see utu being a nasty old bastard to people, or just general idiocy here, you just have to find the humour in it. And honestly, sometimes I have laughed at the peevishness of your comments occasionally. Again, sorry, because it does like you're not having a good time in life.
    Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to avoid hearing about Ukraine or its ugly partisans if you leave here, at least in Germany.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Again, sorry, because it does like you’re not having a good time in life.

    One could put it like that.
    I’m not going to *study* anything, my interest in Latin is limited to reading texts for my private entertainment (will try to read more of Tacitus, maybe eventually Ammianus, also have a long list of medieval texts I want to look at). I have already written a PhD thesis (not about Latin though). It was one of the worst experiences in my life and I wouldn’t recommend doing the same (at least in something humanities-related) to you or to anybody else. You’re more than likely going to ruin your life. However much you think you’re interested in a subject, it’s not worth it.
    Anyway, all the best to you. You and songbird (all the best to him as well) are two commenters I’m going to miss interacting with, but my tolerance for the rest of this comments section has run out. Bye.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I sincerely hope that this comment of yours is really your way of letting off some steam. The Russian war against Ukraine has been a harrowing experience for many people to adjust to their everyday lives. Take some time off from blogging, or just from this blogsite (I think that you've done this here before), go outside and go for a nice long walk and get some sun and fresh air. Although I haven't personally interacted with you a whole lot here, I never miss the opportunity of reading one of your thoughtful comments. The thoughts and ideas that you express are always top notch, and I really hate to consider yet another loss of a valuable commenter here at this blogsite. I still miss the input of valuable commenters here like Anon4 and Reiner Tor.

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    I have already written a PhD thesis (not about Latin though). It was one of the worst experiences in my life and I wouldn’t recommend doing the same (at least in something humanities-related) to you or to anybody else. You’re more than likely going to ruin your life. However much you think you’re interested in a subject, it’s not worth it.
     
    Well, fuck. Not sure if it's wise to ask further, though you probably couldn't expand much on it without doxxing yourself anyway. But I get the impression you chose something related to early Imperial Rome, which honestly does seem to me a horrendously oversaturated subject, at least for getting any recognition. I also got a science degree [thanks to practical urgings of my family] not long ago, but found after graduation I hated the how banal the work was, the routine, and the environment (almost entirely autistic Indians in my case).
    , @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    I'll echo Mr. Hack in his wish that you won't be gone permanently. I enjoy reading what you have to say, and your input will be missed (maybe not by utu, but oh well!)

  1024. A123 says: • Website
    @Yevardian
    @Aedib

    Asking in good faith here, do you think that statement sounds realistic with the Ukraine wide borders open with Romania and Poland, both NATO members, with the US apparently willing to supply Ukraine against Russia indefinitely at this stage?
    Most of the Ukraine is a huge flatland, and north is now completely unoccupied, so how 'immobilised'?

    You can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, and explain why, but this seems like a commonsense response to what you said.

    Replies: @A123, @Aedib

    Most of the Ukraine is a huge flatland, and north is now completely unoccupied, so how ‘immobilised’?

    I do not think that is the best word choice, but I believe I grasp the intent.

    –DEFENSE– Ukrainian defense has done well by using infantry & irregulars with anti-armor weapons. The forces dispersed throughout an area and units found cover that made them hard to find.

    –OFFENSE– How are Ukrainian forces going to advance across, as you put it, a huge unoccupied flat land? The techniques they have used to date do not lend themselves to expeditiously surging through exposed areas.
    ____

    The situation may be headed to LOSE-LOSE. If Ukraine cannot recover lost territory, it is hard to see how they “Win”. However, without an armistice deal, Russia is likely facing perpetual insurgency. That is not a “Win” for their side either.

    This could drag out for months or even years.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123


    ...The situation may be headed to LOSE-LOSE. If Ukraine cannot recover lost territory, it is hard to see how they “Win”. However, without an armistice deal, Russia is likely facing perpetual insurgency. That is not a “Win” for their side either. This could drag out for months or even years.
     
    That is what a war usually is: lose-lose. The West hasn't won a war in decades, the difference was that they attacked countries far away.

    We are in an emotional state of the war and it is accelerating. It is not a good thing given that the conflict is basically over "principles" and not real things that impact real lives. The war is being fought over whether Kiev has a right to become a member of NATO with all the consequences that would bring.

    The win for Kiev and a loss for Russia would be if Ukraine joins NATO. It is not clear that a reverse is true because the costs could be too high.

    If the war - or some sort of a military conflict - goes on for years it would be a war of attrition. People don't think through what that means in practice: Ukraine and its surroundings would descend into a poor, remote, depopulated state. Given people's ability to move it would become a wasteland. No investments, no infrastructure.

    There was and is a simple solution: Kiev accepts that joining NATO was a bridge too far. The fact that they cannot do it - no matter how obvious and in a way meaningless it is - suggests that there is a bigger fish to fry here.

  1025. @sudden death
    @Aedib


    although Russia has not Tochka-U anymore
     
    Yet another deliberate(?) lie from you in order to desperately whitewash the crimes of RF as it still has more than plenty of usable Tochkas and deployed it while attacking UA:

    В ходе так называемой "деэскалациии на киевском и черниговском направлениях" из приграничных с Украиной районов осуществляется отвод ряда частей российских Вооруженных сил. Среди прочего на видеокадрах российских военных колонн можно заметить пусковые установки ракетного комплекса 9К79 "Точка-У" . Данный комплекс официально был снят с вооружения в 2019 г. (фактически в 2021 г.) , но военная необходимость заставила снова вернуть его в строй. Вполне вероятно в штатный состав дивизии/бригады возвращен отдельный ракетный дивизион.
     
    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1475422.html

    Replies: @Aedib

    I know you are indoctrinated to defend Ukrainian war crimes, but when the missile is Ukrainian and it was launched from an Ukrainian position, the fake is too difficult to defend. So you will have to use some king of conspiracy theory in order to justify the war crimes of Zelensky’s regime.

    https://twitter.com/MapsUkr…/status/1512385602142023681&#8230;

    https://twitter.com/KDima777/status/1512389036664627204

    Veritatis Splendor

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Aedib

    RF side frantic explainings should be coordinated better at least - RF MOD says rocket was launched from Dobropolye, while some brother's nephew's former roommate in there sure as hell about Druzhovka, lol

    Anyway the material evidence is in plain sight and can be studied, so more details will soon emerge as with Bucha street bodies.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  1026. @Yevardian
    @Thulean Friend

    Yes, those constant spats became so constant and tedious, dominating every thread, while the rest of unz flooded with floomers, I just stopped bothering to visit (probably a habit I should have kept). I think just came back curious to see what people thought of the 2020 Armenia-Azerbaijan war.


    Don’t let anyone bully you into doing stupid stuff. Being a “noble savage” has significant and clear limitations. The wonder of modernity allowed for radical life improvements, not to mention killing predators with ease. I don’t eat meat and eat mostly organic foods, but I have no illusions that many animals wouldn’t hesitate twice to take advantage of a weakness of mine if they had the chance.
     
    I'm still waiting for AaronB to get into Breatharianism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

    Although since he enjoys this wacky stuff, I'd actually seriously recommend he try reading Julian Jaynes 'The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind', one of those books that stays with forever after reading it, just one of the strangest curios ever published. If you allow yourself to accept the very compelling internal logic Jayne uses, you can can practically feel the fabric of your own sanity coming under attack, its quite impressive, like reading Leibniz in that respect.

    Replies: @AaronB, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    One man’s wackiness can be another man’s bread and butter. AaronB’s musings often leave this blogosphere with an “impressive” array of ideas and discussions. Thanks for the introduction to another great book within your library of gems, and thanks to AaronB for starting a discussion that made this all possible. After reading the wikipedia entry related to Jayne’s book, I didn’t see any mention at all regarding the concept of “spirituality” during the periods before or after his claimed watershed period of the eclipsing of the “bicameral mind’? Would you consider this to be an accurate
    observation, or just an emission solely due to the wikipedia editors?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't know about spirituality in relation to that book, although if someone wants to look for that sort of thing there they can probably find it. I'm not a mystically-inclined or 'self-development' orientated person myself, though I semi-regularly do diving, mountain-biking, camping and the like, I just don't trumpet it here like AaronB, lol.

    For me the book's main interest was the historical angle, as well as its technical discussions on the nature of mental phenomena like hypnosis and schizophrenia.

    To mention David Stove (its how I heard of Jaynes, in a book collection of his articles, actually) again, he has an excellent review of the work that summarises it in a far more interesting way than wikipedia's rather reductive and lifeless description of the book. Strangely enough, the only place it seems to exist online is this website.

    https://www.unz.com/print/Encounter-1989apr-00030

    Replies: @AaronB

  1027. @Yevardian
    @Aedib

    Asking in good faith here, do you think that statement sounds realistic with the Ukraine wide borders open with Romania and Poland, both NATO members, with the US apparently willing to supply Ukraine against Russia indefinitely at this stage?
    Most of the Ukraine is a huge flatland, and north is now completely unoccupied, so how 'immobilised'?

    You can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, and explain why, but this seems like a commonsense response to what you said.

    Replies: @A123, @Aedib

    NATO regimes can feed some Switchblades, Stinger, NLAW and Soviet stuff. They are already doing it but this can’t prevent the demolition of the Ukrainian transport infrastructure that is already happening. This flow will not prevent the destruction of Ukrainian troops placed in the Western Donbass cauldron. The Western aim is to prolong the attrition and made it bloodier. Western Ukrainian is another thing, more complicated for the Russian side.

  1028. @Aedib
    @sudden death

    I know you are indoctrinated to defend Ukrainian war crimes, but when the missile is Ukrainian and it was launched from an Ukrainian position, the fake is too difficult to defend. So you will have to use some king of conspiracy theory in order to justify the war crimes of Zelensky’s regime.


    https://twitter.com/MapsUkr.../status/1512385602142023681...

    https://twitter.com/KDima777/status/1512389036664627204

    Veritatis Splendor

    Replies: @sudden death

    RF side frantic explainings should be coordinated better at least – RF MOD says rocket was launched from Dobropolye, while some brother’s nephew’s former roommate in there sure as hell about Druzhovka, lol

    Anyway the material evidence is in plain sight and can be studied, so more details will soon emerge as with Bucha street bodies.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @sudden death

    It's the whole Holocaust denialism/revisionism mess again. You can never be objective over this when the other side accuse you of pushing agendas - and there has never been objective analysis, only political/ideological signaling. Get over it.

  1029. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Again, sorry, because it does like you’re not having a good time in life.
     
    One could put it like that.
    I'm not going to *study* anything, my interest in Latin is limited to reading texts for my private entertainment (will try to read more of Tacitus, maybe eventually Ammianus, also have a long list of medieval texts I want to look at). I have already written a PhD thesis (not about Latin though). It was one of the worst experiences in my life and I wouldn't recommend doing the same (at least in something humanities-related) to you or to anybody else. You're more than likely going to ruin your life. However much you think you're interested in a subject, it's not worth it.
    Anyway, all the best to you. You and songbird (all the best to him as well) are two commenters I'm going to miss interacting with, but my tolerance for the rest of this comments section has run out. Bye.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

    I sincerely hope that this comment of yours is really your way of letting off some steam. The Russian war against Ukraine has been a harrowing experience for many people to adjust to their everyday lives. Take some time off from blogging, or just from this blogsite (I think that you’ve done this here before), go outside and go for a nice long walk and get some sun and fresh air. Although I haven’t personally interacted with you a whole lot here, I never miss the opportunity of reading one of your thoughtful comments. The thoughts and ideas that you express are always top notch, and I really hate to consider yet another loss of a valuable commenter here at this blogsite. I still miss the input of valuable commenters here like Anon4 and Reiner Tor.

  1030. A123 says: • Website

    Sovereign Poland vetoes Brussels tax scheme: (1)

    Magdalena Rzeczkowska, Poland’s secretary of state and head of its national revenue administration, made the comments on Tuesday less than 30 minutes after vetoing an EU bill designed to implement the initiative

    Warsaw says it’s not opposed to the minimum tax per se. But it frames the problem as an issue of linkage: The initiative is part of a two-pronged global project that includes a levy on the world’s 100 biggest companies (dubbed Pillar 1) that would then share the proceeds across the world. Without legal guarantees from the countries that signed up for Pillar 1 alongside the minimum corporate tax rate (Pillar 2), Poland says it will refuse to budge.

    “We were convinced that digital giants have to be taxed, and splitting the two will not give an assurance that the whole package will happen,” Rzeczkowska said. Otherwise, “there are some risks to the level playing field, and there is a risk that investors, the companies, will go from poorer countries to the richer [ones.]”

    Many treasury officials within the EU don’t buy Rzeczkowska’s reasoning and are convinced that Warsaw will only come on board once its dispute over the recovery fund payouts is sorted

    EU Elites want to use Fake Stream Media [FSM] to censor Christian Populism. Now the “authoritarian liberals” are stuck. If the Globalists actually pursue “Pillar 1”, the FSM will turn on them. If they do not enforce “Pillar 1”, sovereign nations will retain their borders and tax programmes.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-vetoes-eu-tax-reform-again-dismisses-alternative-motives/

  1031. @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    although I certainly work to make my ideas more popular and spread as far and wide as possible
     
    To be specific, it's not my freedom that is threatened by your vision, but my very world itself. If most people thought and behaved as you do (or as you aim to), my world would be a very different place; I can't say for sure, but probably one that I wouldn't like very much.

    Of course, you have every right to try and popularize your ideas. I remain enough of a liberal that I wouldn't resort to any means whatsoever to prevent their spread (not that I have any power to prevent much of anything at the moment); I'd simply put forward an alternative vision and hope it prevails (or rather, remains regnant).

    However, I would only ask that my right to pursue my alternative is likewise respected – and you must admit, that as the world stands now, it is my lifestyle that is threatened far more than yours.
     
    How so?

    So far as I can see, only socially, not physically. You're free to live as you choose, but obviously some people will harshly disapprove of your choices. You may find yourself cast out. Yours is the eternal plaint of the misfit. I guess you could always try adding your name to the ever-growing list of victims whose victimhood requires urgent redress and whose "needs" society must be reengineered to satisfy. :)

    Btw, I was meaning to ask you, who are your favorite poets? I'm not a huge fan of poetry, and I certainly don't know enough about it to discuss it intelligently, but every so often I come across something that makes a deep impression on me. I occasionally have dreams of such searing beauty they leave me aching for days (especially so when I was younger) - if I were less of a rationalist I would insist I have glimpsed other worlds - and the most memorable poems are like fragments of that beauty, captured and set to words. So I'm often on the hunt for something good, but I can't always be bothered slogging through the inevitable piles of crap on the way there.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Yahya, @Barbarossa

    I’m curious; what is the exact nature of the threat that AaronB’s life philosophy poses to your world priorities?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Barbarossa


    I’m curious; what is the exact nature of the threat that AaronB’s life philosophy poses to your world priorities?
     
    If adopted by a small number of people, no threat at all. But if everyone were to adopt his "naturism" (which is to nature as scientism is to science), the economic consequences would quite likely be catastrophic. It's okay if I, personally, have dropped out of the rat race - or rather, found a better way to run it - but if everybody else were to follow suit, it would be disastrous. Fortunately, I foresee little chance of this actually happening, but you never know, so it pays to remain vigilant.
  1032. @German_reader
    @utu


    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict.
     
    Why don't you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. And anybody who opposes that is a Putin shill?
    I also feel that you're mischaracterizing my position. I don't think I have ever advocated for Ukraine just to surrender and I still support sending weapons like anti-tank and anti-air missiles to Ukraine. To my knowledge I have also never expressed sympathy for Russian chauvinists who think Ukrainians are Russians, they just don't know it yet and need to be reminded of the fact by FSB torture squads (like Karlin did in his pro-war piece just before the invasion). I also haven't doubted that Russian troops did commit war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian towns. I think the talk about "genocide" is not to be taken seriously and obviously propagandistic, but it's certainly plausible that Russian soldiers are doing their usual looting and raping routine and killing Ukrainian men they suspect of supporting the Ukrainian national cause. And since Russia invaded Ukraine, the responsibility for this is entirely on Russia.
    So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict, or at least much more right than Russians with their disgusting imperialist visions, and I certainly don't want Russia to win this war by imposing Russian dictat on Ukraine. However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests. It also seems to be incapable of tolerating any dissent at all. One sees this in this blog too. I'm away for a few days and get compared by you to a woman that enjoys being raped (or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up), and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here. Certainly none of them seem to object to this style of discourse as long as it's for their favourite cause.
    So good riddance. I think I'm going to avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst, but the rest of you are also terrible, nothing but your narrow-minded chauvinisms and far too much history on the brain. As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @utu, @silviosilver, @songbird, @Dmitry

    “Why don’t you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. “. – You ask a question and then you answer it but incorrectly. Obviously NFZ would not mean attacking targets in Russia. No different than Russian operation in Syria on Syrian territory by invitation of legitimate government of Syria. I was in favor of Russian operation in Syria. It helped to preserve the integrity of Syria and led to ending major hostilities within Syria. For the same reason I would support NATO NFZ over Ukraine.

    “So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict….I certainly don’t want Russia to win this war…However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side….moral blackmail …gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests.” – This is so you. I do not mischaracterize you. You are so pathetic. Selfish little twat.

    “and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here” – PutinistDave objected and called me a psychopath for that post, so you can go to him and cry on his shoulder.

    “As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.” – I on the other hand wish you a very long life because being you is more than enough suffering one can bear. Miserable life is your destiny with bad dreams in which Zelensky’s courage will reproach your pathetic emasculated personality.

    • Troll: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @utu

    Isn't it clear that the issue with NFZ over Ukraine is engagement with Russian aircrafts that are there to provide cover and making NATO co-belligerents? Russian aircrafts shouldn't be there, but it's Ukraine's job to defend the airspace, not NATOs at least until Russian escalation.

    Putin wants NATO to impose an NFZ so that he can escalate up to a strategic first strike, to root out the sole opposition to his empire. That's the jackpot in his strategic calculation.

    (Didn't you say it's financially better for American oligarchs to rebuild a nuclear-blasted NYC than earning billions? We're living in the time where all the 3 superpowers are properly accelerationist)

    , @Yevardian
    @utu

    You're crossing a line, it's not funny anymore. Articulating this level of hatred for someone you never met on an online forum looks pretty pathetic.

    Replies: @utu

    , @German_reader
    @utu


    Obviously NFZ would not mean attacking targets in Russia.
     
    Of course it does, you fucking moron, you'd have to attack and destroy anti-air sites within Russia for enforcing a no-fly-zone. I know you think the capabilities of S-300 and S-400 or whatever those fucking things are called are exaggerated, but they're generally said to have a range of hundreds of kilometres so you have to attack installations within Russia to get rid of them, this is consensus among anybody who bothers thinking about what a no-fly-zone would entail. You'd probably also have to attack airbases within Russia/Belarus to ground the Russian air force. And you wrote about taking out Russia's mid- and long-range (!) missiles. Where do you think they're being fired from? From Russian territory. Saying that you think NATO should take them out for Ukraine, means you want the USAF to bomb Russian territory. It may well be that the fear of nuclear war is exaggerated, but you're literally advocating for the one course of action that might actually bring it about. And in your stupid boomer arrogance you don't even understand what you're calling for, all that matters is that anybody who disagrees is a coward or a Putin shill.
  1033. @sudden death
    @Aedib

    RF side frantic explainings should be coordinated better at least - RF MOD says rocket was launched from Dobropolye, while some brother's nephew's former roommate in there sure as hell about Druzhovka, lol

    Anyway the material evidence is in plain sight and can be studied, so more details will soon emerge as with Bucha street bodies.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    It’s the whole Holocaust denialism/revisionism mess again. You can never be objective over this when the other side accuse you of pushing agendas – and there has never been objective analysis, only political/ideological signaling. Get over it.

  1034. @utu
    @German_reader

    "Why don’t you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. ". - You ask a question and then you answer it but incorrectly. Obviously NFZ would not mean attacking targets in Russia. No different than Russian operation in Syria on Syrian territory by invitation of legitimate government of Syria. I was in favor of Russian operation in Syria. It helped to preserve the integrity of Syria and led to ending major hostilities within Syria. For the same reason I would support NATO NFZ over Ukraine.

    "So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict....I certainly don’t want Russia to win this war...However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side....moral blackmail ...gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests." - This is so you. I do not mischaracterize you. You are so pathetic. Selfish little twat.

    "and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here" - PutinistDave objected and called me a psychopath for that post, so you can go to him and cry on his shoulder.

    "As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it." - I on the other hand wish you a very long life because being you is more than enough suffering one can bear. Miserable life is your destiny with bad dreams in which Zelensky's courage will reproach your pathetic emasculated personality.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Yevardian, @German_reader

    Isn’t it clear that the issue with NFZ over Ukraine is engagement with Russian aircrafts that are there to provide cover and making NATO co-belligerents? Russian aircrafts shouldn’t be there, but it’s Ukraine’s job to defend the airspace, not NATOs at least until Russian escalation.

    Putin wants NATO to impose an NFZ so that he can escalate up to a strategic first strike, to root out the sole opposition to his empire. That’s the jackpot in his strategic calculation.

    (Didn’t you say it’s financially better for American oligarchs to rebuild a nuclear-blasted NYC than earning billions? We’re living in the time where all the 3 superpowers are properly accelerationist)

  1035. @utu
    @AP

    "It only takes some decency." - Thank you. People like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave each possibly for different reason arrived at the same position which was and still is (with the exception of G_r) to advocate Ukraine's surrender and accepting all Russia's demands. To me it is just the most obscene position one could take in the face of blatant military aggression of one state against another with the intention of liquidating the invaded state and liquidation of separate nationality by denying its existence. The objective of this Putin's war is de facto the ethnocide of Ukrainian nation.


    Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
     
    Regardless of their attempts to clarify and hypocritically dissimulate their position they are on the side of the aggressor. I have zero tolerance for it. At best they are Putin's useful idiots. Let's face the facts. Russia is weak on the battlefield. Her only strength is in the field of propaganda. Her success depends on undermining our resolve to oppose her. Russia counts on her useful idiots who are a part of much larger disinformation network that Russia has installed in the West. Useful idiots like TF, Mikel, G_r or PutinistDave are Putin weapons.

    "He does not seem to call for WW3; his point seems to be that putting it on the table (even if one will not do it) has a deterrent effect while openly saying from the start “we will take no risks” is a green light for the Russians." - Thank you again. There are many reasons why the US and NATO should not have stated that nuclear weapons are off the table after Russia made explicit threats of using them.

    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict. Otherwise Ukraine regardless of Ukraine successes on the battlefield will remain under a permanent threat of escalation by Russia. NFZ would de facto mean accepting the sovereign state of Ukraine as a member of NATO. Sovereignty of Ukraine must be guaranteed against Russia's designs. There might be no other way to have a permanent and stable resolution for this war that denies Russia's objectives.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader, @Brás Cubas

    The objective of this Putin’s war is de facto the ethnocide of Ukrainian nation.

    Let’s see what the Oxford Languages dictionary says about genocide:

    the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group

    It is implausible that, should Ukraine have surrendered, Putin would have killed a single person, so I don’t think that definition applies.
    Maybe your definition diverges from that by encompassing any erasure of a national identity, with or without the killing of individuals. I am not aware that that is an “internationally recognized crime”. Maybe it is, and I am no expert in international law to dispute it. In any case, do you really think you have a case here against Putin, as opposed to, say, the European Union or the Open Society Foundation? Even though they do not use literal weapons, is there any other way of describing what they have done and are still doing to national identities?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Brás Cubas


    Let’s see what the Oxford Languages dictionary says about genocide
     
    He wrote ethnocide, not genocide.

    Russia seeks to commit ethnocide of the Ukrainian nation through a process that necessarily involves mass killing.

    In any case, do you really think you have a case here against Putin, as opposed to, say, the European Union or the Open Society Foundation? Even though they do not use literal weapons, is there any other way of describing what they have done and are still doing to national identities?
     
    EU policies are frequently awful but they do not involve measures proposed and implemented by Russia such as mass executions, banning of Ukrainian language or even word Ukraine, etc.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

  1036. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Again, sorry, because it does like you’re not having a good time in life.
     
    One could put it like that.
    I'm not going to *study* anything, my interest in Latin is limited to reading texts for my private entertainment (will try to read more of Tacitus, maybe eventually Ammianus, also have a long list of medieval texts I want to look at). I have already written a PhD thesis (not about Latin though). It was one of the worst experiences in my life and I wouldn't recommend doing the same (at least in something humanities-related) to you or to anybody else. You're more than likely going to ruin your life. However much you think you're interested in a subject, it's not worth it.
    Anyway, all the best to you. You and songbird (all the best to him as well) are two commenters I'm going to miss interacting with, but my tolerance for the rest of this comments section has run out. Bye.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

    I have already written a PhD thesis (not about Latin though). It was one of the worst experiences in my life and I wouldn’t recommend doing the same (at least in something humanities-related) to you or to anybody else. You’re more than likely going to ruin your life. However much you think you’re interested in a subject, it’s not worth it.

    Well, fuck. Not sure if it’s wise to ask further, though you probably couldn’t expand much on it without doxxing yourself anyway. But I get the impression you chose something related to early Imperial Rome, which honestly does seem to me a horrendously oversaturated subject, at least for getting any recognition. I also got a science degree [thanks to practical urgings of my family] not long ago, but found after graduation I hated the how banal the work was, the routine, and the environment (almost entirely autistic Indians in my case).

  1037. @A123
    @Yevardian


    Most of the Ukraine is a huge flatland, and north is now completely unoccupied, so how ‘immobilised’?
     
    I do not think that is the best word choice, but I believe I grasp the intent.

    --DEFENSE-- Ukrainian defense has done well by using infantry & irregulars with anti-armor weapons. The forces dispersed throughout an area and units found cover that made them hard to find.

    --OFFENSE-- How are Ukrainian forces going to advance across, as you put it, a huge unoccupied flat land? The techniques they have used to date do not lend themselves to expeditiously surging through exposed areas.
    ____

    The situation may be headed to LOSE-LOSE. If Ukraine cannot recover lost territory, it is hard to see how they "Win". However, without an armistice deal, Russia is likely facing perpetual insurgency. That is not a "Win" for their side either.

    This could drag out for months or even years.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    …The situation may be headed to LOSE-LOSE. If Ukraine cannot recover lost territory, it is hard to see how they “Win”. However, without an armistice deal, Russia is likely facing perpetual insurgency. That is not a “Win” for their side either. This could drag out for months or even years.

    That is what a war usually is: lose-lose. The West hasn’t won a war in decades, the difference was that they attacked countries far away.

    We are in an emotional state of the war and it is accelerating. It is not a good thing given that the conflict is basically over “principles” and not real things that impact real lives. The war is being fought over whether Kiev has a right to become a member of NATO with all the consequences that would bring.

    The win for Kiev and a loss for Russia would be if Ukraine joins NATO. It is not clear that a reverse is true because the costs could be too high.

    If the war – or some sort of a military conflict – goes on for years it would be a war of attrition. People don’t think through what that means in practice: Ukraine and its surroundings would descend into a poor, remote, depopulated state. Given people’s ability to move it would become a wasteland. No investments, no infrastructure.

    There was and is a simple solution: Kiev accepts that joining NATO was a bridge too far. The fact that they cannot do it – no matter how obvious and in a way meaningless it is – suggests that there is a bigger fish to fry here.

  1038. @Mr. Hack
    @Yevardian

    One man's wackiness can be another man's bread and butter. AaronB's musings often leave this blogosphere with an "impressive" array of ideas and discussions. Thanks for the introduction to another great book within your library of gems, and thanks to AaronB for starting a discussion that made this all possible. After reading the wikipedia entry related to Jayne's book, I didn't see any mention at all regarding the concept of "spirituality" during the periods before or after his claimed watershed period of the eclipsing of the "bicameral mind'? Would you consider this to be an accurate
    observation, or just an emission solely due to the wikipedia editors?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind

    Replies: @Yevardian

    I don’t know about spirituality in relation to that book, although if someone wants to look for that sort of thing there they can probably find it. I’m not a mystically-inclined or ‘self-development’ orientated person myself, though I semi-regularly do diving, mountain-biking, camping and the like, I just don’t trumpet it here like AaronB, lol.

    For me the book’s main interest was the historical angle, as well as its technical discussions on the nature of mental phenomena like hypnosis and schizophrenia.

    To mention David Stove (its how I heard of Jaynes, in a book collection of his articles, actually) again, he has an excellent review of the work that summarises it in a far more interesting way than wikipedia’s rather reductive and lifeless description of the book. Strangely enough, the only place it seems to exist online is this website.

    https://www.unz.com/print/Encounter-1989apr-00030

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Yevardian


    as well as its technical discussions on the nature of mental phenomena like hypnosis and schizophrenia.
     
    It's worth mentioning that Jaynes understanding of schizophrenia is the diametric opposite of Mcgilchrist - Jaynes thinks schizophrenia is a return to a "primitive" mentality, whereas Mcgilchrist compellingly argues with reams of data that schizophrenia is instead a disease of modernity and the hyper-rational modern cognitive style - and in fact schizophrenia has skyrocketed in modern times.

    Still, Mcgilchrist pays tribute to Jaynes book and calls him a genius.
  1039. utu says:

    Slovak prime minister Eduard Heger confirmed that Slovakia has already provided Ukraine with S-300 system. They did not talk much about it but they did it. Unlike in the Mig-29 fiasco.

    twitter.com/nexta_tv?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    I hope that more heavy arms from former Warsaw Pact countries are on their way. Tanks and howitzers from Czechia and Poland (Poland could provide several hundred) and hopefully finally the MiGs-29 from Poland and Bulgaria.

    Germany seems to be the most cautious and the most reluctant about providing weapons to Ukraine. They even make difficulties for Czechia which tried do send transporters formerly owned by DDR to which Germany had to agree even though Czechia got the transporters via Sweden. Certainly there is an obstructionist streak in Germany’s behavior. They are still upset that Putin did not take Kiev in 48 hours as he promised them.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  1040. @utu
    @German_reader

    "Why don’t you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. ". - You ask a question and then you answer it but incorrectly. Obviously NFZ would not mean attacking targets in Russia. No different than Russian operation in Syria on Syrian territory by invitation of legitimate government of Syria. I was in favor of Russian operation in Syria. It helped to preserve the integrity of Syria and led to ending major hostilities within Syria. For the same reason I would support NATO NFZ over Ukraine.

    "So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict....I certainly don’t want Russia to win this war...However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side....moral blackmail ...gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests." - This is so you. I do not mischaracterize you. You are so pathetic. Selfish little twat.

    "and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here" - PutinistDave objected and called me a psychopath for that post, so you can go to him and cry on his shoulder.

    "As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it." - I on the other hand wish you a very long life because being you is more than enough suffering one can bear. Miserable life is your destiny with bad dreams in which Zelensky's courage will reproach your pathetic emasculated personality.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Yevardian, @German_reader

    You’re crossing a line, it’s not funny anymore. Articulating this level of hatred for someone you never met on an online forum looks pretty pathetic.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Yevardian

    Tit for tat ("As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.” )

  1041. @Yevardian
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't know about spirituality in relation to that book, although if someone wants to look for that sort of thing there they can probably find it. I'm not a mystically-inclined or 'self-development' orientated person myself, though I semi-regularly do diving, mountain-biking, camping and the like, I just don't trumpet it here like AaronB, lol.

    For me the book's main interest was the historical angle, as well as its technical discussions on the nature of mental phenomena like hypnosis and schizophrenia.

    To mention David Stove (its how I heard of Jaynes, in a book collection of his articles, actually) again, he has an excellent review of the work that summarises it in a far more interesting way than wikipedia's rather reductive and lifeless description of the book. Strangely enough, the only place it seems to exist online is this website.

    https://www.unz.com/print/Encounter-1989apr-00030

    Replies: @AaronB

    as well as its technical discussions on the nature of mental phenomena like hypnosis and schizophrenia.

    It’s worth mentioning that Jaynes understanding of schizophrenia is the diametric opposite of Mcgilchrist – Jaynes thinks schizophrenia is a return to a “primitive” mentality, whereas Mcgilchrist compellingly argues with reams of data that schizophrenia is instead a disease of modernity and the hyper-rational modern cognitive style – and in fact schizophrenia has skyrocketed in modern times.

    Still, Mcgilchrist pays tribute to Jaynes book and calls him a genius.

  1042. @Yevardian
    @utu

    You're crossing a line, it's not funny anymore. Articulating this level of hatred for someone you never met on an online forum looks pretty pathetic.

    Replies: @utu

    Tit for tat (“As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.” )

  1043. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Upon reflection, I think you have convinced me regarding a grid design :)

    I still think that winding and meandering streets are better, but a grid design, provide there are mysterious side alleys, is not an insuperable obstacle to mystery and aesthetic appeal.

    Phnom Penh is an exuberant city of riotous color and fascinating side alleys, and it has a French designed grid.

    Definitely agree with you about Napoli!

    When young, I lived for a time in the Old City of Jerusalem, which is basically a medieval Turkish fortress-city, and it was one of the most adventurous periods of my life - I think living in a Minotaurs maze sounds fun :)

    Yes, Tokyo is downright bland and ugly architecturally! But manages to achieve - especially at night as you say - mystery, aesthetic appeal, and a sense of intimacy that invites discovery and exploration.

    But that is because of the bright neon fairy lights, the dense profusion of stores of every imaginable type, people, and activity, and the fascinating and intimate side alleys.

    I think the key element is - not too much control and let nature run a bit wild and disorganized, not too much rationality and efficiency, and let spontaneity in.

    @Barbarossa -

    I completely agree that current society is organized in an anti life and anti health way.

    And the curious thing is you can trace this back to the seminal thinkers who stand at the head of modernity.

    It was not an accidental develop, but the natural development of ideas that were right there at the beginning.

    Replies: @AaronB

    I completely agree that current society is organized in an anti life and anti health way.

    And the curious thing is you can trace this back to the seminal thinkers who stand at the head of modernity.

    It was not an accidental develop, but the natural development of ideas that were right there at the beginning.

    Lol, this was meant for Barbarossa, and not Dmitry, as I know Dmitry thinks no such thing – or at least hasn’t realize it yet 🙂

  1044. @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    I haven’t see Lake Changjin, did they make seem that it was ROK/US aggression?
     
    That was my impression.

    Kim invaded with Stalin’s go-ahead, and Mao out of the loop.
     
    I've heard claims that Mao provided the majority of the DPRK's troops, at the start of the conflict. 50,000-70,000 Ethnic Koreans from China. Veteran troops that fought for the PLA, in the Chinese civil war, along with their arms. And these were decisive in the invasion.

    It should be emphasized that DPRK is anything but a PRC vassal, the relationship is more like PRC-USSR during Cold War when it was clearly not an inseparable bloc.
     
    I agree. But in a very loose way, the Korean peninsula is a microcosm, with the North being a closer model to China and the South being closer model to America. It's by no means a perfect comparison, but what makes it interesting is that it removes some of the other variables.

    SK, at present, doesn't seen to be doing well. And I'm not sure that will change with Yoon trying to draw closer to the US.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I’ve heard claims that Mao provided the majority of the DPRK’s troops, at the start of the conflict. 50,000-70,000 Ethnic Koreans from China.

    Kim came to Beijing and requested leading the PLA ethnic Koreans back to Korea, Mao agreed to this and also that he will support Kim’s War of Unification, but only after his own is completed.

    Stalin was opposed to Mao unifying the entire East Asian continent, much less Taiwan. The Soviets wanted a North and South China division between CPC and KMT, same as in Germany and later in Korea. After the PLA captured the ROC capital Nanjing in 1949, the Soviet embassy evacuated along with Chiang to Guangzhou.

    It’s difficult to overstate the instrumental role that Soviets played in the Korean War and Chinese Civil War, only that it was covert.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War

    SK, at present, doesn’t seen to be doing well.

    I don’t buy this actually–

    https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2022/04/01/south-korea-surpasses-japan-in-real-gdp-per-capita/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    I don’t buy this actually–
     
    SK's per capita surpassing Japan is just a function of their respective age pyramids. The effect of old history unfolding. Korea was the most recalcitrant to Western influence - the Hermit Kingdom. A hundred years ago, it was a colony that the Japanese were trying to develop. It was a third world country into at least the 1970s.

    But with a TFR of around 0.8, none of that is very meaningful now, and the "advantage" (I think nominal per capita is overrated) will quickly erode. Actually, based on current trends, the inflection point where SK surpasses Japan to become the world's oldest society is 2045.

    IMO, they should be taking emergency measures, right now. Gutting their cult of education, censoring bad ideas, and cranking out natalist propaganda. Even trying to bury the hatchet, and cooperate with Japan and China, on the same issues. And I haven't see any sign of that.

    The one small positive sign that I've seen come out of SK, is that they seem to have cracked down somewhat on foreign brides. (I also think that fertility there might be very mildly eugenic or at least not greatly dysgenic). For the moment, I still think that they are better off than Western Europe, but, IMO, they don't have time to sit on their hands.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  1045. @German_reader
    @utu


    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict.
     
    Why don't you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. And anybody who opposes that is a Putin shill?
    I also feel that you're mischaracterizing my position. I don't think I have ever advocated for Ukraine just to surrender and I still support sending weapons like anti-tank and anti-air missiles to Ukraine. To my knowledge I have also never expressed sympathy for Russian chauvinists who think Ukrainians are Russians, they just don't know it yet and need to be reminded of the fact by FSB torture squads (like Karlin did in his pro-war piece just before the invasion). I also haven't doubted that Russian troops did commit war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian towns. I think the talk about "genocide" is not to be taken seriously and obviously propagandistic, but it's certainly plausible that Russian soldiers are doing their usual looting and raping routine and killing Ukrainian men they suspect of supporting the Ukrainian national cause. And since Russia invaded Ukraine, the responsibility for this is entirely on Russia.
    So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict, or at least much more right than Russians with their disgusting imperialist visions, and I certainly don't want Russia to win this war by imposing Russian dictat on Ukraine. However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests. It also seems to be incapable of tolerating any dissent at all. One sees this in this blog too. I'm away for a few days and get compared by you to a woman that enjoys being raped (or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up), and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here. Certainly none of them seem to object to this style of discourse as long as it's for their favourite cause.
    So good riddance. I think I'm going to avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst, but the rest of you are also terrible, nothing but your narrow-minded chauvinisms and far too much history on the brain. As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @utu, @silviosilver, @songbird, @Dmitry

    However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests.

    I feel the same way. Unfortunately for them, their approach backfires when it comes to people like me – it makes me care much less than I otherwise might have. When it comes to this particular conflict, I care essentially zero for Ukrainian suffering, and the main reason is the way their side has carried on and insisted that I simply must become as hysterical as they are. Ukrainians and their supporters act like it’s the west’s fault they got themselves into this mess, and therefore it’s incumbent on the west to step in and save their asses. The fuck it is. You made your bed, go lie in it.

    There is a possum in my backyard that I have befriended (AaronB’s influence lol). I feed him apples, which he takes from my hand, and allows me to pet him while he eats them. Sounds awful to say it, but I would quite frankly be more disturbed if I were to never see that possum again than I am about this Bucha thing (which may indeed have happened, or it may be hyped up bullshit, and if so, it would hardly be the first time).

  1046. AP says:
    @Brás Cubas
    @utu


    The objective of this Putin’s war is de facto the ethnocide of Ukrainian nation.
     
    Let's see what the Oxford Languages dictionary says about genocide:

    the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group
     
    It is implausible that, should Ukraine have surrendered, Putin would have killed a single person, so I don't think that definition applies.
    Maybe your definition diverges from that by encompassing any erasure of a national identity, with or without the killing of individuals. I am not aware that that is an "internationally recognized crime". Maybe it is, and I am no expert in international law to dispute it. In any case, do you really think you have a case here against Putin, as opposed to, say, the European Union or the Open Society Foundation? Even though they do not use literal weapons, is there any other way of describing what they have done and are still doing to national identities?

    Replies: @AP

    Let’s see what the Oxford Languages dictionary says about genocide

    He wrote ethnocide, not genocide.

    Russia seeks to commit ethnocide of the Ukrainian nation through a process that necessarily involves mass killing.

    In any case, do you really think you have a case here against Putin, as opposed to, say, the European Union or the Open Society Foundation? Even though they do not use literal weapons, is there any other way of describing what they have done and are still doing to national identities?

    EU policies are frequently awful but they do not involve measures proposed and implemented by Russia such as mass executions, banning of Ukrainian language or even word Ukraine, etc.

    • Agree: LatW, Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @AP


    He wrote ethnocide, not genocide.
     
    .. but quoted a definition of genocide. That's precisely why I considered two alternative definitions anyway, and analyzed them separately.
    I don't see that there is a solid legal basis for genocide, and I don't know a distinct "ethnocide" legal entity, so I don't understand exactly what the point being argued is here.
    Now for the rest of your comment. If erasing Ukrainian nationhood brings with it the establishment of a culturally similar one, and in the process cleans the cesspit of corruption that has been Ukraine, I don't see why that would be a more destructive operation than integrating Ukraine with Western Europe/U.S.A.'s culture.
    You may have a point in that it would be preferrable to do it without resorting to force, but the original argument lay on whether surrender would be preferrable to fighting, given that force was the means employed. I think I have laid out a pretty good case in favor of surrender.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

  1047. @Barbarossa
    @silviosilver

    I'm curious; what is the exact nature of the threat that AaronB's life philosophy poses to your world priorities?

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I’m curious; what is the exact nature of the threat that AaronB’s life philosophy poses to your world priorities?

    If adopted by a small number of people, no threat at all. But if everyone were to adopt his “naturism” (which is to nature as scientism is to science), the economic consequences would quite likely be catastrophic. It’s okay if I, personally, have dropped out of the rat race – or rather, found a better way to run it – but if everybody else were to follow suit, it would be disastrous. Fortunately, I foresee little chance of this actually happening, but you never know, so it pays to remain vigilant.

  1048. @AP
    @Brás Cubas


    Let’s see what the Oxford Languages dictionary says about genocide
     
    He wrote ethnocide, not genocide.

    Russia seeks to commit ethnocide of the Ukrainian nation through a process that necessarily involves mass killing.

    In any case, do you really think you have a case here against Putin, as opposed to, say, the European Union or the Open Society Foundation? Even though they do not use literal weapons, is there any other way of describing what they have done and are still doing to national identities?
     
    EU policies are frequently awful but they do not involve measures proposed and implemented by Russia such as mass executions, banning of Ukrainian language or even word Ukraine, etc.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    He wrote ethnocide, not genocide.

    .. but quoted a definition of genocide. That’s precisely why I considered two alternative definitions anyway, and analyzed them separately.
    I don’t see that there is a solid legal basis for genocide, and I don’t know a distinct “ethnocide” legal entity, so I don’t understand exactly what the point being argued is here.
    Now for the rest of your comment. If erasing Ukrainian nationhood brings with it the establishment of a culturally similar one, and in the process cleans the cesspit of corruption that has been Ukraine, I don’t see why that would be a more destructive operation than integrating Ukraine with Western Europe/U.S.A.’s culture.
    You may have a point in that it would be preferrable to do it without resorting to force, but the original argument lay on whether surrender would be preferrable to fighting, given that force was the means employed. I think I have laid out a pretty good case in favor of surrender.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Brás Cubas

    PS.
    When the Spanish government repressed the Catalan independentists with brute force, was it ethnocide? Aren't the Catalans a separate ethnicity, with a different language, specific culture, etc.? Why did no one abroad except a meager number of Leftists support the case of the Catalans?

    Replies: @AP

  1049. This thread is now past over 1,000 comments and starting to get a little sluggish, so I’ve opened up a new one:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-184-russia-ukraine/

    • Thanks: A123
  1050. @LatW
    @Mikel


    But you shouldn’t misinterpret what’s really going on
     
    I'm not, you like to believe that it's all media brainwashing while it's genuine outrage. I've never seen these levels of engagement (except maybe the late 1980s in Eastern Europe).



    Btw, the world is quite aware of the Yemeni situation (I've seen many humanitarian ads and the famine there really was awful, especially compared to the lavishness of the neighboring countries). But please let's admit that there is civilizational vicinity with Ukrainians and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's not ok to take a large European state and straight out destroy it. You cannot expect the Western public to be ok with that. These are exquisite levels of brutality not seen since Chechnya. Please read the doc I shared from Ria Novosti. It's a fascist program for the elimination of the Ukrainian nation. It'll be added to the evidence that will be filed in the Hague. Who does the Russian think he is that he can decide whether we exist or not?

    the civilian victims in Donbass
     
    Are you aware that the Russian occupiers are ravaging Luhansk region right now, as we speak? It could be cleared of all population for the sole purposes of Russian territorial takeover. Are you aware that the majority of the victims in this war so far might in fact be Russophone? These may be by the way some of the last Russophones outside of Russia's borders.

    You may dislike that some people here express much more nuanced and diverse opinions than what everybody can read on CNN 24×7
     
    People here express "nuanced opinions" on both sides. If I disliked that, I wouldn't come here for my daily dose of fundie. For instance, utu has expressed very nuanced opinions that I find enjoyable. And I don't live off of a CNN & FB diet, it's a very small percentage of what I watch.

    With a facebook-tier censorship on this blog that made everybody conform to the dominant narrative, I doubt you’d find it worthwhile to comment here.
     
    Very convenient to deem anyone that posts what you don't like a potential facebook chekist. I have never called for any kind of censorship of these comments and wouldn't, even if I had the power over it. So wrong address, buddy.

    I'm not going to pry as to why your friend decided to fight against the interests of his own people, but, please, understand that those of us with normal healthy instincts do not consider that some civilizational or moral achievement.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

    I’m not going to pry as to why your friend decided to fight against the interests of his own people

    Probably because my friend was a maketo, like a majority of people in my home town, and it never even crossed his mind that he may be “fighting against the interests of his own people”.

    please, understand that those of us with normal healthy instincts do not consider that some civilizational or moral achievement

    But it is Ukraine that desperately wants to join the West, not the other way around. Is that not why this whole clusterf*ck started?

    We are hardly unique in this context, btw. There’s plenty of stateless ethnicities in Western Europe: Brittany, Corsica, South Tyrol, Scotland, Wales, Flanders, Lappland,.. Apart from the Ulster Catholics, we are the ones who have killed and died in the largest numbers for our independence but eventually we have joined all the above in considering that peace and prosperity are more important objectives to pursue than independence. Perhaps it’s not such a bad choice after all? I hope Ukrainians one day get to live as comfortably as we now do.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    Probably because my friend was a maketo
     
    I see (I already suspected, that explains a lot about your posts). Of course, violence should be avoided for as long as possible, but the reality in life is that if you try to destroy people's lifestyles and traditions, the result can be very bad. "Urban colonists" are not always liked. I'm not condoning anything here, just being realistic.


    But it is Ukraine that desperately wants to join the West
     
    It's not so much that they "want to join the West" as establish their own independent policies that are in line with their traditions (more freedom loving than the Horde). This is an independence war, make no mistake about that. A country that would enjoy friendship with neighboring countries such as Poland (as well as a partnership with the UK, et al). I believe that you do not have insight into the minds of those Ukrainian opinion makers who are not necessarily on Poroshenko's camp (and, no, they are not pro-Russian). There are some very seasoned men there who have been through years of combat and have very sound geopolitical insights. They are not "desperate", as you say, but very realistic. They are searching a solution and are willing to give what it takes.

    not the other way around
     
    Not true, the EU, the US always had some level of interest in Ukraine, even if this interest was somewhat lukewarm. The West shouldn't have made guarantees in the Budapest memorandum, it just prolonged the security vacuum in that region (more preparation could've been made if it were a 100% clear that the West wouldn't guarantee security, even if they're helping now, massively), although Russia is more at fault here. China, too, gave separate guarantees, signed a separate doc, it's possible that China could've made more of a difference.

    I hope Ukrainians one day get to live as comfortably as we now do.
     
    You have not retained your language so it's a no go for us (both Ukrainians and Balts). Absolutely unacceptable, no material wealth could ever compensate for loss of language. We don't want to be a biomass bolstering other nations. In the case of Ukrainians it is particularly off-puting, since there are tens of millions of them.

    But I do agree that your people are attractive, with an attractive lifestyle, a visibly diligent people (and I like that they are maritime, coastal type of people). I'd like to learn more about the non-leftist wing of ETA and will probably read up on it some time, I'm intrigued (but I'm very busy right now, so it'll have to wait).
  1051. @Brás Cubas
    @AP


    He wrote ethnocide, not genocide.
     
    .. but quoted a definition of genocide. That's precisely why I considered two alternative definitions anyway, and analyzed them separately.
    I don't see that there is a solid legal basis for genocide, and I don't know a distinct "ethnocide" legal entity, so I don't understand exactly what the point being argued is here.
    Now for the rest of your comment. If erasing Ukrainian nationhood brings with it the establishment of a culturally similar one, and in the process cleans the cesspit of corruption that has been Ukraine, I don't see why that would be a more destructive operation than integrating Ukraine with Western Europe/U.S.A.'s culture.
    You may have a point in that it would be preferrable to do it without resorting to force, but the original argument lay on whether surrender would be preferrable to fighting, given that force was the means employed. I think I have laid out a pretty good case in favor of surrender.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    PS.
    When the Spanish government repressed the Catalan independentists with brute force, was it ethnocide? Aren’t the Catalans a separate ethnicity, with a different language, specific culture, etc.? Why did no one abroad except a meager number of Leftists support the case of the Catalans?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Brás Cubas

    Has Spain banned the Catalan language and even the word Catalan as Russia proposes to do in Ukraine? How many thousands of Catalan people did Spain kill this century? A silly comparison.

  1052. @Brás Cubas
    @Brás Cubas

    PS.
    When the Spanish government repressed the Catalan independentists with brute force, was it ethnocide? Aren't the Catalans a separate ethnicity, with a different language, specific culture, etc.? Why did no one abroad except a meager number of Leftists support the case of the Catalans?

    Replies: @AP

    Has Spain banned the Catalan language and even the word Catalan as Russia proposes to do in Ukraine? How many thousands of Catalan people did Spain kill this century? A silly comparison.

  1053. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird


    I’ve heard claims that Mao provided the majority of the DPRK’s troops, at the start of the conflict. 50,000-70,000 Ethnic Koreans from China.
     
    Kim came to Beijing and requested leading the PLA ethnic Koreans back to Korea, Mao agreed to this and also that he will support Kim's War of Unification, but only after his own is completed.

    Stalin was opposed to Mao unifying the entire East Asian continent, much less Taiwan. The Soviets wanted a North and South China division between CPC and KMT, same as in Germany and later in Korea. After the PLA captured the ROC capital Nanjing in 1949, the Soviet embassy evacuated along with Chiang to Guangzhou.

    It's difficult to overstate the instrumental role that Soviets played in the Korean War and Chinese Civil War, only that it was covert.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War


    SK, at present, doesn’t seen to be doing well.

     

    I don't buy this actually--

    https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2022/04/01/south-korea-surpasses-japan-in-real-gdp-per-capita/

    Replies: @songbird

    I don’t buy this actually–

    SK’s per capita surpassing Japan is just a function of their respective age pyramids. The effect of old history unfolding. Korea was the most recalcitrant to Western influence – the Hermit Kingdom. A hundred years ago, it was a colony that the Japanese were trying to develop. It was a third world country into at least the 1970s.

    But with a TFR of around 0.8, none of that is very meaningful now, and the “advantage” (I think nominal per capita is overrated) will quickly erode. Actually, based on current trends, the inflection point where SK surpasses Japan to become the world’s oldest society is 2045.

    IMO, they should be taking emergency measures, right now. Gutting their cult of education, censoring bad ideas, and cranking out natalist propaganda. Even trying to bury the hatchet, and cooperate with Japan and China, on the same issues. And I haven’t see any sign of that.

    The one small positive sign that I’ve seen come out of SK, is that they seem to have cracked down somewhat on foreign brides. (I also think that fertility there might be very mildly eugenic or at least not greatly dysgenic). For the moment, I still think that they are better off than Western Europe, but, IMO, they don’t have time to sit on their hands.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    Their new incel-propelled president seems like the right guy to do it, but alas, it's a democracy, and his bill to shut down the gender ministry gets bogged down somewhere. Might have declared martial law on the perennial NK threat and go full Park, but I doubt he dares to, despite his rhetoric.

    Replies: @songbird

  1054. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Again, sorry, because it does like you’re not having a good time in life.
     
    One could put it like that.
    I'm not going to *study* anything, my interest in Latin is limited to reading texts for my private entertainment (will try to read more of Tacitus, maybe eventually Ammianus, also have a long list of medieval texts I want to look at). I have already written a PhD thesis (not about Latin though). It was one of the worst experiences in my life and I wouldn't recommend doing the same (at least in something humanities-related) to you or to anybody else. You're more than likely going to ruin your life. However much you think you're interested in a subject, it's not worth it.
    Anyway, all the best to you. You and songbird (all the best to him as well) are two commenters I'm going to miss interacting with, but my tolerance for the rest of this comments section has run out. Bye.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

    I’ll echo Mr. Hack in his wish that you won’t be gone permanently. I enjoy reading what you have to say, and your input will be missed (maybe not by utu, but oh well!)

  1055. German_reader says:
    @utu
    @German_reader

    "Why don’t you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. ". - You ask a question and then you answer it but incorrectly. Obviously NFZ would not mean attacking targets in Russia. No different than Russian operation in Syria on Syrian territory by invitation of legitimate government of Syria. I was in favor of Russian operation in Syria. It helped to preserve the integrity of Syria and led to ending major hostilities within Syria. For the same reason I would support NATO NFZ over Ukraine.

    "So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict....I certainly don’t want Russia to win this war...However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side....moral blackmail ...gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests." - This is so you. I do not mischaracterize you. You are so pathetic. Selfish little twat.

    "and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here" - PutinistDave objected and called me a psychopath for that post, so you can go to him and cry on his shoulder.

    "As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it." - I on the other hand wish you a very long life because being you is more than enough suffering one can bear. Miserable life is your destiny with bad dreams in which Zelensky's courage will reproach your pathetic emasculated personality.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Yevardian, @German_reader

    Obviously NFZ would not mean attacking targets in Russia.

    Of course it does, you fucking moron, you’d have to attack and destroy anti-air sites within Russia for enforcing a no-fly-zone. I know you think the capabilities of S-300 and S-400 or whatever those fucking things are called are exaggerated, but they’re generally said to have a range of hundreds of kilometres so you have to attack installations within Russia to get rid of them, this is consensus among anybody who bothers thinking about what a no-fly-zone would entail. You’d probably also have to attack airbases within Russia/Belarus to ground the Russian air force. And you wrote about taking out Russia’s mid- and long-range (!) missiles. Where do you think they’re being fired from? From Russian territory. Saying that you think NATO should take them out for Ukraine, means you want the USAF to bomb Russian territory. It may well be that the fear of nuclear war is exaggerated, but you’re literally advocating for the one course of action that might actually bring it about. And in your stupid boomer arrogance you don’t even understand what you’re calling for, all that matters is that anybody who disagrees is a coward or a Putin shill.

    • Agree: songbird
  1056. @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    I don’t buy this actually–
     
    SK's per capita surpassing Japan is just a function of their respective age pyramids. The effect of old history unfolding. Korea was the most recalcitrant to Western influence - the Hermit Kingdom. A hundred years ago, it was a colony that the Japanese were trying to develop. It was a third world country into at least the 1970s.

    But with a TFR of around 0.8, none of that is very meaningful now, and the "advantage" (I think nominal per capita is overrated) will quickly erode. Actually, based on current trends, the inflection point where SK surpasses Japan to become the world's oldest society is 2045.

    IMO, they should be taking emergency measures, right now. Gutting their cult of education, censoring bad ideas, and cranking out natalist propaganda. Even trying to bury the hatchet, and cooperate with Japan and China, on the same issues. And I haven't see any sign of that.

    The one small positive sign that I've seen come out of SK, is that they seem to have cracked down somewhat on foreign brides. (I also think that fertility there might be very mildly eugenic or at least not greatly dysgenic). For the moment, I still think that they are better off than Western Europe, but, IMO, they don't have time to sit on their hands.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Their new incel-propelled president seems like the right guy to do it, but alas, it’s a democracy, and his bill to shut down the gender ministry gets bogged down somewhere. Might have declared martial law on the perennial NK threat and go full Park, but I doubt he dares to, despite his rhetoric.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    Interesting to think of the sex hormone inputs on different countries.

    China has a much bigger gender imbalance than SK, and is not a democracy. OTOH, it has a higher median age than it ever had before (though not as high as SK), and that causes a drop in things like T.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  1057. @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    Their new incel-propelled president seems like the right guy to do it, but alas, it's a democracy, and his bill to shut down the gender ministry gets bogged down somewhere. Might have declared martial law on the perennial NK threat and go full Park, but I doubt he dares to, despite his rhetoric.

    Replies: @songbird

    Interesting to think of the sex hormone inputs on different countries.

    China has a much bigger gender imbalance than SK, and is not a democracy. OTOH, it has a higher median age than it ever had before (though not as high as SK), and that causes a drop in things like T.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird


    much bigger gender imbalance
     
    Female abortion because 1-child policy (one of the great mistakes for socialism), but if China had never implemented 1-child policy/always been capitalist it'd have only delayed the fertility plunge by 5 years, because bourgeois vices.

    Not a democracy because zero democratic "tradition" - it's always been Emperor vs central mandarins vs local mandarins and should always be so.
  1058. @Mikel
    @LatW


    I’m not going to pry as to why your friend decided to fight against the interests of his own people
     
    Probably because my friend was a maketo, like a majority of people in my home town, and it never even crossed his mind that he may be "fighting against the interests of his own people".

    please, understand that those of us with normal healthy instincts do not consider that some civilizational or moral achievement
     
    But it is Ukraine that desperately wants to join the West, not the other way around. Is that not why this whole clusterf*ck started?

    We are hardly unique in this context, btw. There's plenty of stateless ethnicities in Western Europe: Brittany, Corsica, South Tyrol, Scotland, Wales, Flanders, Lappland,.. Apart from the Ulster Catholics, we are the ones who have killed and died in the largest numbers for our independence but eventually we have joined all the above in considering that peace and prosperity are more important objectives to pursue than independence. Perhaps it's not such a bad choice after all? I hope Ukrainians one day get to live as comfortably as we now do.

    Replies: @LatW

    Probably because my friend was a maketo

    I see (I already suspected, that explains a lot about your posts). Of course, violence should be avoided for as long as possible, but the reality in life is that if you try to destroy people’s lifestyles and traditions, the result can be very bad. “Urban colonists” are not always liked. I’m not condoning anything here, just being realistic.

    [MORE]

    But it is Ukraine that desperately wants to join the West

    It’s not so much that they “want to join the West” as establish their own independent policies that are in line with their traditions (more freedom loving than the Horde). This is an independence war, make no mistake about that. A country that would enjoy friendship with neighboring countries such as Poland (as well as a partnership with the UK, et al). I believe that you do not have insight into the minds of those Ukrainian opinion makers who are not necessarily on Poroshenko’s camp (and, no, they are not pro-Russian). There are some very seasoned men there who have been through years of combat and have very sound geopolitical insights. They are not “desperate”, as you say, but very realistic. They are searching a solution and are willing to give what it takes.

    not the other way around

    Not true, the EU, the US always had some level of interest in Ukraine, even if this interest was somewhat lukewarm. The West shouldn’t have made guarantees in the Budapest memorandum, it just prolonged the security vacuum in that region (more preparation could’ve been made if it were a 100% clear that the West wouldn’t guarantee security, even if they’re helping now, massively), although Russia is more at fault here. China, too, gave separate guarantees, signed a separate doc, it’s possible that China could’ve made more of a difference.

    I hope Ukrainians one day get to live as comfortably as we now do.

    You have not retained your language so it’s a no go for us (both Ukrainians and Balts). Absolutely unacceptable, no material wealth could ever compensate for loss of language. We don’t want to be a biomass bolstering other nations. In the case of Ukrainians it is particularly off-puting, since there are tens of millions of them.

    But I do agree that your people are attractive, with an attractive lifestyle, a visibly diligent people (and I like that they are maritime, coastal type of people). I’d like to learn more about the non-leftist wing of ETA and will probably read up on it some time, I’m intrigued (but I’m very busy right now, so it’ll have to wait).

  1059. @German_reader
    @utu


    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict.
     
    Why don't you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. And anybody who opposes that is a Putin shill?
    I also feel that you're mischaracterizing my position. I don't think I have ever advocated for Ukraine just to surrender and I still support sending weapons like anti-tank and anti-air missiles to Ukraine. To my knowledge I have also never expressed sympathy for Russian chauvinists who think Ukrainians are Russians, they just don't know it yet and need to be reminded of the fact by FSB torture squads (like Karlin did in his pro-war piece just before the invasion). I also haven't doubted that Russian troops did commit war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian towns. I think the talk about "genocide" is not to be taken seriously and obviously propagandistic, but it's certainly plausible that Russian soldiers are doing their usual looting and raping routine and killing Ukrainian men they suspect of supporting the Ukrainian national cause. And since Russia invaded Ukraine, the responsibility for this is entirely on Russia.
    So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict, or at least much more right than Russians with their disgusting imperialist visions, and I certainly don't want Russia to win this war by imposing Russian dictat on Ukraine. However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests. It also seems to be incapable of tolerating any dissent at all. One sees this in this blog too. I'm away for a few days and get compared by you to a woman that enjoys being raped (or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up), and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here. Certainly none of them seem to object to this style of discourse as long as it's for their favourite cause.
    So good riddance. I think I'm going to avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst, but the rest of you are also terrible, nothing but your narrow-minded chauvinisms and far too much history on the brain. As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @utu, @silviosilver, @songbird, @Dmitry

    or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up

    One of utu’s character flaws is that he tends to the obscene – not the the ribald – but really twisted and perverse stuff. Weirdly personal images, so that a normal person would wonder, if they are his fantasies. But I suspect that he only does it for the power trip.

    Perhaps, utu feels some bitterness arising out of communism, but I’d like to think that he would have at least had a cleaner mind, if the USSR and Warsaw Pact had not broken up.

    Not to deny him agency, but I believe he is the victim of both worlds meeting. From Communism, the bitter memories of deprivation and, from the West, the total degeneracy and consumerism of modern Western media, which he probably has been overawed by and, consequentially, overindulged in.

    Anyway, don’t let a narcissist get you down. There is humor in his curmedugeonliness, even though, he does not intend it.

  1060. @German_reader
    @utu


    As far as the NFZ I still believe that denying Russia use of its air force and mid and long range missiles in Ukraine will be necessary to make the clear cut end of the conflict.
     
    Why don't you state clearly what this means? It means that you want the USAF to bomb targets within Russia, that is you want a direct US-Russian war. And anybody who opposes that is a Putin shill?
    I also feel that you're mischaracterizing my position. I don't think I have ever advocated for Ukraine just to surrender and I still support sending weapons like anti-tank and anti-air missiles to Ukraine. To my knowledge I have also never expressed sympathy for Russian chauvinists who think Ukrainians are Russians, they just don't know it yet and need to be reminded of the fact by FSB torture squads (like Karlin did in his pro-war piece just before the invasion). I also haven't doubted that Russian troops did commit war crimes in Bucha and other Ukrainian towns. I think the talk about "genocide" is not to be taken seriously and obviously propagandistic, but it's certainly plausible that Russian soldiers are doing their usual looting and raping routine and killing Ukrainian men they suspect of supporting the Ukrainian national cause. And since Russia invaded Ukraine, the responsibility for this is entirely on Russia.
    So rationally I would agree that Ukraine is in the right in this conflict, or at least much more right than Russians with their disgusting imperialist visions, and I certainly don't want Russia to win this war by imposing Russian dictat on Ukraine. However, I cannot but feel extreme dislike for much of the pro-Ukrainian side too, because it is frequently hysterical, fanatical and resorting to moral blackmail and trying to manipulate gullible Westerners into adopting policies that could be extremely detrimental to their own interests. It also seems to be incapable of tolerating any dissent at all. One sees this in this blog too. I'm away for a few days and get compared by you to a woman that enjoys being raped (or whatever image your sick fantasy was trying to come up), and apparently this is being seen as totally ok or even laudable by the pro-Ukrainian commenters here. Certainly none of them seem to object to this style of discourse as long as it's for their favourite cause.
    So good riddance. I think I'm going to avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst, but the rest of you are also terrible, nothing but your narrow-minded chauvinisms and far too much history on the brain. As for you, utu, you miserable old piece of shit, I hope that despite all your vaccinations you catch Corona and croak of it.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @utu, @silviosilver, @songbird, @Dmitry

    mischaracterizing my position.

    If you haven’t been insulted by Utu, you’re not part of the forum. This is how he relaxes when he comes home from the office. You just have to accept you are one of us now and cannot escape.

    being seen as totally ok or even laudable

    Lol because being insulted by Utu, is the sport of the forum. He provides us with a customized service. The more creatively he insulted you, the highest your score. I still have higher scores than you.

    But generally, the forum is losing its “disagreeableness” in the last months. Yevardian is writing about his interest in Roman history, Silviosilver is asking for poetry recommendation. AaronB is trying to impress us with scary stories about his ” dangerous vices” – drinking unpasteurized milk.

    Utu’s insults are like a lost memory of our forum’s primitive past under the recent months of civilization, as he is halfway between the two worlds, of civilization and primitivizm. He is educated and intelligent, but with the disagreeableness that reminds of the atmosphere in this forum in the past years when we were led by a Caucasian with his Chinese attack panda, etc.

    avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst,

    I guess I’m nowadays the only person here originating from Russia, we also used to have Melanf and Anon4/Bashibuzuk. Polite netizens.

    high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future,

    Eastern Europeans here are only LatW and Suddendeath, unless I forgot someone. Baltic countries in recent years are like almost half-way to Aryans anyway. Well, if we believed the OECD reports.

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry


    with his Chinese attack panda
     
    Some of Daniel's views were unconventional, but I always found him to be quite agreeable and miss him. Perhaps, he should be considered another person who was driven away by rudeness.


    Eastern Europeans here are only LatW and Suddendeath
     
    You are missing a ton of people. I am sure you have excluded AP and Mr. Hack because they are Americans, but there is still Svidomyatheart. mal has made the the occasional appearance, and I am sure there are others.

    Replies: @LatW

  1061. Baltic countries in recent years are like almost half-way to Aryans anyway. Probably consider “Eastern European” as an insult as they started living like white people.

    Yes, many of them would (especially Estonians). But not me personally, I’m starting to really like the label, just for the sake of it. 🙂 Varangian wrath. 🙂

  1062. @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    mischaracterizing my position.
     
    If you haven't been insulted by Utu, you're not part of the forum. This is how he relaxes when he comes home from the office. You just have to accept you are one of us now and cannot escape.

    being seen as totally ok or even laudable
     
    Lol because being insulted by Utu, is the sport of the forum. He provides us with a customized service. The more creatively he insulted you, the highest your score. I still have higher scores than you.

    But generally, the forum is losing its "disagreeableness" in the last months. Yevardian is writing about his interest in Roman history, Silviosilver is asking for poetry recommendation. AaronB is trying to impress us with scary stories about his " dangerous vices" - drinking unpasteurized milk.

    Utu's insults are like a lost memory of our forum's primitive past under the recent months of civilization, as he is halfway between the two worlds, of civilization and primitivizm. He is educated and intelligent, but with the disagreeableness that reminds of the atmosphere in this forum in the past years when we were led by a Caucasian with his Chinese attack panda, etc.


    avoid blogs with a high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future, obviously Russians are the worst,

     

    I guess I'm nowadays the only person here originating from Russia, we also used to have Melanf and Anon4/Bashibuzuk. Polite netizens.

    high ratio of Eastern Europeans in the future,

     

    Eastern Europeans here are only LatW and Suddendeath, unless I forgot someone. Baltic countries in recent years are like almost half-way to Aryans anyway. Well, if we believed the OECD reports.

    Replies: @songbird

    with his Chinese attack panda

    Some of Daniel’s views were unconventional, but I always found him to be quite agreeable and miss him. Perhaps, he should be considered another person who was driven away by rudeness.

    Eastern Europeans here are only LatW and Suddendeath

    You are missing a ton of people. I am sure you have excluded AP and Mr. Hack because they are Americans, but there is still Svidomyatheart. mal has made the the occasional appearance, and I am sure there are others.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    another person who was driven away by rudeness.
     
    You know, it's not like there hasn't been rudeness against Russia's neighbors here. Probably more rudeness and hate towards Ukrainians et al that I've ever seen anywhere. In fact, it's been worse than what Russians themselves have dished out towards us.

    What goes around, comes around.

    Replies: @songbird

  1063. @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    Interesting to think of the sex hormone inputs on different countries.

    China has a much bigger gender imbalance than SK, and is not a democracy. OTOH, it has a higher median age than it ever had before (though not as high as SK), and that causes a drop in things like T.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    much bigger gender imbalance

    Female abortion because 1-child policy (one of the great mistakes for socialism), but if China had never implemented 1-child policy/always been capitalist it’d have only delayed the fertility plunge by 5 years, because bourgeois vices.

    Not a democracy because zero democratic “tradition” – it’s always been Emperor vs central mandarins vs local mandarins and should always be so.

    • Agree: songbird
  1064. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    with his Chinese attack panda
     
    Some of Daniel's views were unconventional, but I always found him to be quite agreeable and miss him. Perhaps, he should be considered another person who was driven away by rudeness.


    Eastern Europeans here are only LatW and Suddendeath
     
    You are missing a ton of people. I am sure you have excluded AP and Mr. Hack because they are Americans, but there is still Svidomyatheart. mal has made the the occasional appearance, and I am sure there are others.

    Replies: @LatW

    another person who was driven away by rudeness.

    You know, it’s not like there hasn’t been rudeness against Russia’s neighbors here. Probably more rudeness and hate towards Ukrainians et al that I’ve ever seen anywhere. In fact, it’s been worse than what Russians themselves have dished out towards us.

    What goes around, comes around.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    Oh, come on, LatW! How could he, a Taiwanese-American, have hatred for Ukraine? I'm sure that he never gave it a thought in his formative years, which is when I believe these animosities are formed.

    Just because he rejected the thin forms of virtue-signaling doesn't mean that he didn't have any sympathy. When you have heard the thin forms enough about X, Y, and Z, over the years, they become a little cloying - to an extent that you likely haven't experienced.

    At some point, it becomes like a double-edged insult. One to yourself and one to them.

    Do you run over the same courses, in the same lines, as when you are told to have sympathy for all sorts of pampered and disreputable groups held above normal people? Or do you break free, by keeping your real sympathy quiet (realistically, it would not help anyway), and trying to break free of of the pattern of saying the expected thing, all the time?

    One can understand that the world is cruel, and that the issues of the day will ultimately be decided force (in this instance, whether by Russians or Ukrainians), and still have sympathy.

    Even AK does not truly hate Ukraine, he is just hurt by being spurned in his desire for brotherliness. I believe some of the perceived rudeness of others is really just autistic sympathy against globohomo. One must make allowances for these sorts of things.

  1065. @LatW
    @songbird


    another person who was driven away by rudeness.
     
    You know, it's not like there hasn't been rudeness against Russia's neighbors here. Probably more rudeness and hate towards Ukrainians et al that I've ever seen anywhere. In fact, it's been worse than what Russians themselves have dished out towards us.

    What goes around, comes around.

    Replies: @songbird

    Oh, come on, LatW! How could he, a Taiwanese-American, have hatred for Ukraine? I’m sure that he never gave it a thought in his formative years, which is when I believe these animosities are formed.

    Just because he rejected the thin forms of virtue-signaling doesn’t mean that he didn’t have any sympathy. When you have heard the thin forms enough about X, Y, and Z, over the years, they become a little cloying – to an extent that you likely haven’t experienced.

    At some point, it becomes like a double-edged insult. One to yourself and one to them.

    Do you run over the same courses, in the same lines, as when you are told to have sympathy for all sorts of pampered and disreputable groups held above normal people? Or do you break free, by keeping your real sympathy quiet (realistically, it would not help anyway), and trying to break free of of the pattern of saying the expected thing, all the time?

    One can understand that the world is cruel, and that the issues of the day will ultimately be decided force (in this instance, whether by Russians or Ukrainians), and still have sympathy.

    Even AK does not truly hate Ukraine, he is just hurt by being spurned in his desire for brotherliness. I believe some of the perceived rudeness of others is really just autistic sympathy against globohomo. One must make allowances for these sorts of things.

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