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The hard truth is that the Resistance has understood the reality of the situation better than their western counterparts.

On all fronts, the Israeli internal paradigm is fracturing; and externally, the West is itself fissuring, and becoming a pariah on the global stage. The western leaderships’ explicit facilitation of a bloody cleansing of Palestinians has incised the old spectre of ‘Orientalism’ and colonialism onto the skyline. And is gyring the West towards being ‘the world’s untouchable’ (along with Israel).

Overall, Israel’s government objective looks to be to converge and then channel – multiple tensions into a wide military escalation disgorgement (a big war) – that somehow would bring a restoration of deterrence. Such a course concomitantly implies that Israel would thus turn its back to western pleas that it somehow act ‘reasonably’. The West mostly defines this ‘reasonableness’ as Israel accepting the chimaera of a passage to ‘normality’ arriving through the Saudi Crown Prince bestowing it, in return for a contrite Israel undoing seven decades of Jewish supremacism (i.e. accepting a Palestinian State).

The core tension within the Western-Israeli calculus is that the U.S. and the EU are moving in one direction – back to the failed Oslo approach – whilst polling underscores Jewish electors firmly marching in the other direction.

A recent survey conducted by the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs shows that since 7 October, 79% of all Jewish respondents oppose the establishment of a Palestinian State on 1967 lines (68% were opposed prior to 7 Oct); 74% are opposed even in exchange for normalisation with Saudi Arabia. And reflective of the internal Israeli divide, “only 24% of left-wing voters support a [Palestinian] State without conditions”.

In short, as the western institutional leadership clings to the shrinking Israeli secular liberal Left, Israelis as whole (including the young) are moving hard Right. A recent Pew poll shows that 73% of the Israeli public support the military response in Gaza – albeit a third of Israelis complained it had not gone far enough. A plurality of Israelis think Israel should govern the Gaza Strip. And Netanyahu, in the aftermath of the ICC arrest threat, is overtaking Gantz (leader of the National Union) in approval ratings.

It seems that the ‘western consensus’ prefers not to notice these uncomfortable dynamics.

Additionally, a separate Israeli divide concerns the purpose of the war: Is it about restoring to Jewish citizens the sense of personal, physical security, which was lost in the wake of 7 Oct?

That is to say: Is it the sense of Israel as a redoubt, safe space in a hostile world that is being restored? Or alternatively, is the present struggle one of establishing a fully Judaicised Israel on the ‘Land of Israel’ (i.e. all the land between the river and the sea) the prime objective?

This constitutes a key divide. Those who see Israel primarily as the safe redoubt to which Jews could flee in the wake of European holocaust, naturally are more circumspect at the risking of a wider war (i.e. with Hizbullah) – a war that could see the civilian ‘rear’ directly attacked by Hizbullah’s vast missile arsenal. For this constituency, safety is a premium.

On the other hand, a majority of Israelis sees the risk of wider war as inevitable – indeed to be welcomed by many, if the Zionist project is to be fully established on the Land of Israel.

This reality may be difficult for secular westerners to grasp, but the 7 October has re-energised the Biblical vision in Israel, rather than excite a surfeit of caution about war, or a desire for rapprochement with Arab States.

The point here is that a ‘New War of Independence’ can be held aloft before the Israeli public as the metaphysical ‘vision’ of the way ahead, whilst the Israeli government attempts to pursue the more mundane path of playing the long game, leading to the full military matrix control over the land between the river and the sea, and the removal of populations that will not submit to the Smotrich dispensation of ‘acquiesce or leave’.

The schism between Israel as a secular, post-holocaust ‘safe-space’ and the contrasting Biblical, Zionist vision sets a border between the two zeitgeists that is both porous, and at times overlaps. Nonetheless, this Israeli divide has bled across into U.S. politics and, in a more scattered way, has entered into European polity.

For the Jewish diaspora living in the West, keeping Israel as a safe-space is vitally important as, insofar as Israel becomes insecure, Jews feel their own personal insecurity worsens, pari passu. In one sense, the Israeli projection of strong deterrence in the Middle East is an ‘umbrella’ that extends to cover the diaspora, as well. They want quiet in the region. The Biblical ‘vision’ has an edge to it which is frankly too polarising.

Yet, those very power structures straining to sustain the Israeli strongman paradigm in the western consciousness now find their efforts are tending to shred those western political structures, on which they depend, thus alienating key constituencies, particularly the young. A recent poll amongst 18-24 year-olds in Britain found that a majority (54%) agreed that “that the State of Israel should not exist”. Just 21% disagreed with this statement.

The wielding of Lobby power to compel Western united support for Israel and its deterrent objectives – coupled with a lack of human empathy for Palestinians – is inflicting heavy losses on institutional leadership structures as underlying mainstream parties fracture in different directions.

The damage is exacerbated by the western peace camp’s ‘reality blindspot’. We hear it all the time: the only solution is that of two-states living peacefully side by side on the lines of 1967 (as enshrined in UNSC resolutions 242 and 338). Apart from in the West, the same mantra is also rehearsed (as the peace camp reminds us) by the Arab League.

It seems so simple.

It is indeed ‘simple’ – but only through ignoring the reality that such a Palestinian state can only come into sovereign ‘being’ through force – through military force.

ORDER IT NOW

The reality is that there are 750,000 settlers occupying the West Bank and East Jerusalem (and a further 25,000 settlers living in Syria’s Golan Heights). Who will remove them? Israel won’t. They will fight to the last settler; many of whom are zealots. They were invited and placed there in the years since the 1973 war (largely by successive Labour governments), precisely to obstruct any possible Palestinian state coming into existence.

The question that those who say ‘the solution is simple’ – two states living side by side in peace – do not answer: Has the West the will or the political resolve to instantiate a Palestinian State by force of arms, against the current will of a plurality of Israelis?

The answer, inevitably, is ‘no’. The West does not have the ‘will’ – and the suspicion then arises that in their hearts they know this. (There is perhaps a yearning for a solution, and disquiet that absent ‘calm in Gaza’, tensions will spike in the diaspora, too).

The hard truth is that the Resistance has understood the reality of the situation better than their western counterparts: A putative Palestinian State has only receded in prospect since the 1993 Oslo process, rather than having advanced a jot. Why did the West not take corrective action over three decades, and only then recall the dilemma when it became a crisis?

The Resistance has better appreciated the inherent untenable contradiction of one people appropriating to themselves special rights and privileges over another, sharing the same land, and that such a scenario could not long persist, without breaking the region apart (witness the wars and devastation to which maintaining the existing paradigm already has led).

The region stands at the edge; and ‘Events’ at any moment can push it over that edge, despite the efforts of regional actors to control incremental movement up the escalatory ladder. This is likely to be a long war. And a solution likely will only emerge through Israel, by one means or another, facing up to the inner paradigm contradiction within Zionism – and to begin seeing the future differently.

And of that, there is, as yet, no sign.

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  1. Chris Moore says: • Website

    The core tension within the Western-Israeli calculus is that the U.S. and the EU are moving in one direction – back to the failed Oslo approach – whilst polling underscores Jewish electors firmly marching in the other direction.

    The “West” in elite quarters is comprised of Judaized grifters since the Judeofascist scum hijacked it using Marxist-Zionism following the “Jewish Century” wars and colored revolutions. (In retrospect, the Bolshevik revolution was just an early colored revolution, benefiting the same Judeofascist Cousinhood scum and their minor scum lickspittle).

    So the Judeofascists demand “forward, goyim!” And their feckless zoglodyte dupes are wringing their hands and shitting their depends, like Joe Biden the other day on stage; or escaping to paradise with Jeffrey Epstein, like fading, lusty redneck rube Bill Clinton.

    So sad. So pathetic. So predictable.

    The Judeofascists never should have attempted to murder the Trinity (Moses, Jesus, the Holy Spirit). Now they are to be dealt with — permanently.

    And so will anyone else who uses evil to undermine destiny, or at this point, even gets in the way.

  2. Fracturing indeed.

    Israeli Soldier Commits Suicide after Receiving Orders to Return to Gaza

    Reports from Israel indicate a severe shortage of soldiers in the reserve forces as the war enters its ninth month, prompting the Israeli army to seek volunteers for combat in Gaza.

    An Israeli soldier committed suicide after being ordered to return to military service in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Radio reported, according to Al-Jazeera.

    Earlier, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz revealed that since October 7, ten officers and soldiers have committed suicide, with several of these incidents occurring during battles in the settlements surrounding Gaza.

    In mid-March, the Israeli army acknowledged facing its most significant mental health crisis since 1973, stemming from the fighting with Palestinian Resistance groups in the Gaza Strip since the Al-Aqsa Flood operation on October 7…..

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-soldier-commits-suicide-after-receiving-orders-to-return-to-gaza/

  3. Anonymous[886] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not an inherent untenable contradiction, it’s a failed state pissing its sovereignty away. Having derogated non-derogable rights in breach of nondiscrimination duties subject to continuity of obligations, the Jewish State is over, wrecked, prolapsed like a Jew girl’s rectum at a Sukkot rave.

    The decision to replace it falls to the peoples of the region. Intensified Jew Apartheid and genocide is not one of the options. Izzie fanatics dying of thirst in the desert, that’s an option. Saturation bombing of Izzie IDF combatants (i.e. every last Jew,) that’s an option.

    Whatever comes next entails perpetual peace through universal human rights fulfilled. Izzies hate that shit but they will knuckle under for it when they have to.

    • Replies: @Pythas
  4. Notsofast says:

    A recent survey conducted by the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs shows that since 7 October, 79% of all Jewish respondents oppose the establishment of a Palestinian State on 1967 lines (68% were opposed prior to 7 Oct); 74% are opposed even in exchange for normalisation with Saudi Arabia. And reflective of the internal Israeli divide, “only 24% of left-wing voters support a [Palestinian] State without conditions”.

    this is the real issue that is being ignored (purposefully), hoping it will just go away with the next news cycle, as they attempt to stuff it down the memory hole garbage disposal and into the western mockingbird media sewer.

    the only problem is it’s hard to stuff babies down a garbage disposal and now there’s no amount of white house plumbers, that can fix this problem.

    here’s where we face a most interesting conundrum, how can these people be so clueless that they can’t see the irreparable damage that is being done to the entire jewish religion, thanks to their barbaric savagery. granted, i have always seen this totally illegal occupation of palestine, as a textbook act of genocide, but it was like pissing up niagara falls to explain that fact.

    well now the falls have reversed and they will find out just what is like to be inundated by public opinion. hope they have good breath control, as i have developed from the experience. they will be better people in the end (if they survive).

    the pre 67 borders, would give them 75% of palestine (that they deserve none of), will they take that incredible offer, along with peace with with the arab world? or will they insist that god gave them the right to genocide the amalek, as well as all of their animals and to reclaim this “god given” land of milk and honey?

    don’t think this is going to fly, in this day and age but i guess we will find out, won’t we?

  5. Pythas says:
    @Anonymous 1

    Good. By God’s will hopefully all of them will commit suicide.

    • Agree: Anonymous 1, druid, Corrupt
  6. Pythas says:
    @Anonymous

    Ya, but what that means is we will have millions more of these zoglodytes in places like New York, Florida, California, Arizona etc. America has already been ruined enough.

    • Replies: @Dry Patch
    , @Pierre Vuk
  7. That “albeit” isn’t right. “Response” is wrong too, but let’s not get into all that:

    “73% of the Israeli public support the military response in Gaza AND a third of Israelis complained it had not gone far enough.”

    • Agree: ld
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  8. Dry Patch says:
    @Pythas

    From his first paragraph I thought that Anonymous (886) Disclaimer was talking about the U.S. “Failed state pissing its sovereignty away.” Are we not The Jewish State?

    -Discard

    • Replies: @werpor
  9. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Pythas, that is a real worry. People born and bred to shit on outgroups. They’re been kicking back foreign aid to bribe lawmakers for decades. They will try to install themselves as a parasitic elite, like the Acholi in colonial Uganda.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  10. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    People born and bred to shit on outgroups. They’re been kicking back foreign aid to bribe lawmakers for decades. They will try to install themselves as a parasitic elite, like the Acholi in colonial Uganda.

    They’ve already installed themselves as a parasitic elite. Looke at the Neocons. Look at the Biden administration. Look at Trump’s handler Jared Kushner…

    But I’m interested in your observation: “People born and bred to shit on outgroups.” I think this is literally true. And I think it goes to my theory that they’re the golden calf faction of Hebrews. They’ve literally been kvetching and critiquing the doers — the people who actually work for a living, or who are upstanding pillars of society and law and order– for 3500 years. They’ve been parasitically mooching and loafing and freeloading and navel gazing for 3500 years. It’s become their culture, their way of life, their modus operandi. And they spread that parasitism to those who get into bed with them, get corrupted by them, get infected by them. The zoglodytes.

    I’ll say it again: this is why Moses kvetch slapped them 3500 years ago, and this is why the Trinity needs to kvetch slap them again — maybe even deliver the final kvetch slapping.

    We can’t afford to screw around with mooches, loafers, or parasites any longer. The world is too crowded, hot and hair trigger to put up with bomb-throwing, back-stabbing, born and bred kvetches and terrorists.

    • Replies: @ld
    , @Ed Case
    , @Skeptikal
  11. ‘…Has the West the will or the political resolve to instantiate a Palestinian State by force of arms, against the current will of a plurality of Israelis?’

    We wouldn’t have to fire a shot. Pull the plug, and Israel will toe the line. Hell, we can abolish the place completely if we choose to. The notion of an autarchic Israel is absurd.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  12. Abbybwood says:

    It is actually a very simple fix:

    Anyone living in the Palestinian pre-1967 borders will have to be expelled.

    Easy peasy.

    Done and done.

    And the sooner the better.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  13. Why did the US not encourage South Africa to liquidate Blacks and entrench their Boer state with US military support ? Was it because Jewish Oligarchs like Oppenheimers and Rupert wanted settlement with ANC as they relocated to Switzerland ?

    Or was it because Apartheid started after WW2 when US faced up to Rosa Parks and Civil Rights which were Jewish hobbyhorses in U.S.

    So Israel looks anomalous

    • Replies: @gT
    , @James of Africa
  14. ld says:
    @Chris Moore

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  15. Polls? Surveys? Really? Taking a poll in Israel makes as much sense as taking a poll in an insane asylum.

  16. @Chris Moore

    Russia troll farm-ER..!…?

    • Troll: one nobody
  17. Anynomous says:

    History will finally remember real crimes of american and british and the people who rightfully rose to legal armed resistance to destroy these satanistic, materialistic, invidualistic and evil animals, who have increasingly taken over our lands and have infected local gene pools with their disease. These american and british animals will finally be driven off from our lands or rounded up legally to legal concentration camps.

    • Replies: @one nobody
  18. All of these “hard right” Israeli Jews are going to want to move to the west after their fake state becomes nonviable. I suggest we send all of the world’s Jews to England and they can set up their New Israel there (after breaking up the UK and building a giant wall around England). Instead of lording over and genociding innocent Palestinians, they can genocide Anglos instead. It’s a solution that would please everyone. Jews get a homeland where they can live out their sadistic fantasies on the local population, the rest of the world gets to be rid of Jew and Anglo influence, and Anglos get to live their dream of making the ultimate sacrifice for their masters. Win-win-win

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  19. This war has been going on for 80 years because the United States keeps pumping money and weapons into Israel to enable it to genocide the Palestinians.

    The only way to stop this war is to stop the United States from paying for it!

    • Agree: John Trout
    • Replies: @HenryKissingHer
  20. Ghali says:

    In 2005, 21 Jewish colonies in Gaza and four Jewish colonies in the West Bank were unilaterally dismantled. Over 8,000 Jewish colonizers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated. They did not “fight to the last settler”, as the author argued. Jews are the cowardice of the animals Kingdom.

    • Agree: John Trout
  21. IronForge says:

    Author subtly gloating in Anti-Israel Schadenfreude?

    Any Rational+Objective Person well versed in Economics/Geopolitics/Military Matters think a few Riots on College Campuses and City Intersections by Clueless Mobs – and a few Sympathizers in the UN Circle and a few Parliaments giving a Failed Dysfunctional War Faction “Momentary Statehood” – due to dissolve in obscurity – matter much?

    This is Israel’s War; and Israel’s Hegemony Partners are in an uncomfortable situation where they are bound by Hegemonic Obligations to let Israel carry out the War.

    It wasn’t too difficult for the Hegemony Vassal States to deal with Murica’s Wars, since Murica are the “Lead Bull” seeking to control as much of the World as possible.

    This PLO/Hamas_Palestinian Conflict was eventually due to have a major IDFvPLO Showdown and/or a Gazan Collapse/PA Expulsion by Settler Militia.

    06October brought about and accelerated all of the above Scenarios.

    Hamas Leadership Squandered the Aide Monies, Civil Infrastructure Matl and are milking their Residents. PA are being pressured by the Settler Militia. Palestinian claims and conduct from the Mandate Power Struggle, Coup Attempts against Jordan, inactivity/possible _suppression under Egypt, support of Saddam Hussein in the Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait and resulting Mass Deportations from Gulf Countries, and Hamas’ Gaza Wars killing and removing the PA and Fatah – render the PLO_Palestinians as a Faction of People unwelcomed as Immigrants in Neighboring Countries, with the exception of Jordan – the Peaceful Palestinian Country.

    Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen – per the Precedent King of Jordan, Jordan is Palestine.

    Nobody in the West complained when Egypt ruled over Gaza.

    Murica have been protecting Jordan for Decades, once protected Kuwait+Gulf_States+Shipping during the Iraq-Iran War, then liberated Kuwait and protected Saudi Arabia from Saddam Hussein.

    PLO/Hamas are Antagonists not only to Israel; but have been to Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bulk of Gulf_States, and through them – Murica.

    AngloMuricans are hereby reminded. PLO Hamas aren’t the perennial innocent victims of the Arab Israeli Conflicts – they contended for Land against and with Others; and miserably Failed to gain and actually lost much Territories – yet still seek to gain by Attacking Others. Tough Scenario, since they were defeated and occupied at one point by Jordan, Egypt, or Israel.

    IIRC – until 06Oct, Israel withdrew from administering Gaza, yet employed Gaza Residents, provided Potable Water, NatGas Gasoline Utilities, and allowed Sea/Airport access for Travel and Imports of Food+MatlGoods.

    Had Israel made a definitive cutting off of Employment, Import/Export, Utilities – can anyone think Gaza would survive without Egyptian Support? They’ll eventually return to being an Economic Dependency of Egypt.

    The PLO/Hamas/PA are a small Terror faction with Political/Religious Sympathizers and Israel Haters providing Financial Support. They failed to operate an Economically Self-sufficient City-States in the WestBank or Gaza on their own – even from the Egyptian / Jordanian Days. The PLO burned their Bridges with Jordan by their Invasion and Coup Attempts, are still dependent on Egyptian Aide, and PLO Leaders were able to profiteer and live in Luxury Abroad – boosted by Western Aide Monies and Humanitarian Relief.

    The PLO/Hamas are free to wage their Wars; but this Round, they engaged Israel on a Scale that gave Israel “Just Cause” to gut out Tunnels, Demilitarize Gaza, and Drive Out Hamas.

    What the IDF don’t accomplish, the Israeli Settler Militia will; and chances are, Israeli Utility/Commercial Trade/Employment Opportunities will be Cut Off – as Militants will most likely regain influence over Gaza.

    Again – this being Israel’s War, as I’m currently still a Murican Citizen – I believe Murica fulfilled their Hegemonic and Mutual Defense Agreements by providing Humanitarian Aide re:06October, allowing IDF Reservists to return to Serve in the IDF, selling Israel Gear/Guns/Ammo/Ordnance. Obviously, Murica+NATO have done more by Deploying Forces close/in the Eastern Mediterranean to discourage Nation-State and Terror Group Participation, figuratively stepping on Erdogan’s Neck and putting Türkish Migrants in the €URoGarten on the Blowback List (simply by placing German Commandos on Cyprus – impressive), sending Special Forces to Jordan to protect the King, etc.

    IMHO, Murican Congress and POTUS shouldn’t be sending Monies to Fund Israel’s Wars. Greater Israel can afford to Fund them Themselves by Crowdfunding and Israel Bonds. Murica can give a little incentivised flexibility here by treating Israel Bonds with similar/same Tax Considerations as U$Treasury Securities; and let the Dual-Citizen Diaspora, Masonic-Zionists, Christo-Cult Zionists and other Supporters (annoyed by Caliphate Mongers?) put their Monies where their Mouths are. Extending Murican Citizen Diaspora Benefits to Transfer from the US Military/Coast Guard/Police to the IDF/IsraeliPolice and access Murican VA/Medicare-Medicaid/SocialSecurity Services in Israel to encourage Emigrations to Israel would be prudent Arrangements to fulfill Hegemony Obligations while allowing the Diaspora to easily “Return Home” to deal with their Homeland.

    Netan-Yahu’s Plans for a Peaceful, Prosperous Gaza – living with harmonious Trade with their Neighbors – is commendable; but IMHO, patronizing and improbable due to History – as those who can prosper do Emigrate Abroad. This is reinforced by the Fact that the Hamas Leadership themselves live comfortably Abroad.

    Israel, €URoGarten, UNSC, nor Murica will spend the Monies to rebuild Gaza – because the Hamas have already squandered previous Aid Packages…

    Author’s “Resistance”? Look at the €URoGarten Elections – they had a booster from Migranvaders Calling for a German Metropolitan Region to be made into a Caliphate, and one such Migrant stabbing a Policeman to Death(Perp was Slain) at an Nationalist/Cultural-Populist’s Demonstration Speech.

    Think Hispanic, White, and Black Muricans are going to prop up PLO Fanboi Caliphate Advocates in their Elections? College Riots are one thing, Elections to Rule over themselves are another. Besides, Murica are going to be a Hispanic Majority Nation in about 15~25 Years, with Elections reflecting those Demographic Inflexion Milestones shortly afterwards.

    That Eastern Mediterranean Crescent Region has been heavily contested over for Hundreds of Years; and will probably continue to do so.

    Tall Fences make for Good Neighbors.

    I don’t care much for British GeoPolitical Musings, since they still tend to cause+aggravate Conflicts they need Murica+NATO to do the Heavy Lifting for since their National Bankruptcy Post WW2.

    Riding on Murica’s Coattails.

    Weaker and Incompetent by the Year – Militarily – as they became an actual “Brown Water Navy” unable to send Fleets of Surface Ships across the Ocean, too far from their Own Shores, or Days from Ports…

    Tall Fences make for Good Neighbors…

  22. Brewer says:

    Those who see Israel primarily as the safe redoubt to which Jews could flee in the wake of European holocaust

    It must be comforting to have a safe redoubt to flee to when one’s predatory criminal behaviour becomes too much for one’s host country.
    https://archive.is/k9yyU
    https://archive.is/cQxau
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
    I am amazed that Bill Browder hasn’t yet taken advantage of the opportunity:
    https://archive.org/details/magnitsky-act-movie

    • Agree: Obergefreiter
  23. Tom Welsh says:

    ‘A recent poll amongst 18-24 year-olds in Britain found that a majority (54%) agreed that “that the State of Israel should not exist”. Just 21% disagreed with this statement’.

    Well, I’m a 75-year-old living in Britain and I agree. The point is that once a huge, unforgivable crime has been committed – the creation of “Israel” in 1948 – there is no way to fix the consequences or make amends without undoing the original crime. “Israel” is like a bullet lodged in a festering cavity within a human body. The only way to save the patient is to remove the bullet.

    If Israelis complain, they should bear in mind that they never had any right to rule Palestine in the first place – their holy books notwithstanding.

    Of course it’s hard for Americans to accept this reasoning, since their nation was acquired in exactly the same way – by driving out and exterminating the indigenous peoples.

  24. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Prominent economist Martin Armstrong is now predicting a breakout of direct war with Russia, no longer proxy war in Ukraine only, before the coming election to cover up that the Fed Reserve is having difficulty selling Treasury Bonds to service the national debt, particularly by pressure from China which is reluctant to buy debt bonds because of the US recalcitrance to negotiate end of Ukraine War. He says this means that a default on the National Debt is impending now, not later, which would halt all welfare transfer payments and the value of the dollar would collapse. People of all political affiliation would converge on Washington with proverbial pitchforks. To cut this off the US needs to start a world war as soon as possible. There would be massive blowback against the Israeli domination of the Congress by both major parties. Reality is something you can not wish away.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Jewish alchemy turns every country that Jews run into Sodom eventually. Examples abound throughout History. It’s Jewish very ontology. Why would Israel be the exception?

    • Agree: druid
  26. sally says:

    This is likely to be a long war. And a solution likely will only emerge through Israel, by one means or another, facing up to the inner paradigm contradiction within Zionism – and to begin seeing the future differently.

    The worldwide interest in resolving matters by full-disclosure negotiation has begun. The eastern world is becoming one entity, acting under the likes of BRICS and SCO and several other international organizations. The Zionist (total ownership and total control model supported by the Use of Force) Model has no place in the coming multi-polar world. Multi-polar global-ism is set to overwhelm Zionism. Societies constructed of exclusive or highly concentrated religious, racial or cultural oneness, are becoming multicultural multi ethnic, multi religious and multi linguistic, everyone can translate everyone else’s language. A new currency is developing; the dollar hegemony is it seems to be short lived.

    Russia is the new military powerhouse, more powerful than old school solve problems by war, NATO. And China has become the new economic hegemon. Artificial intelligence with its arms and legs embedded in the Internet is a technology-set, likely to put global knowledge in the hands of just about everyone and just about any robot. Robots are replacing how the production processes are accomplished, humans are building more and better robots.. Economic models are changing; Israel likely will be left behind because of its use of force in Gaza.

    I am not sure Israel is capable of finding any peaceful solution.. the genocide in Gaza has poisoned its chances to remain independent and severely tainted the credit-ability of governments (USA, UK, and France) that have assisted Israel in GAZA. A new power competent to resolve major global problems is developing in the east; competitive efficiency is replacing use of force, hard or soft. Its just that those who disturb the peace will be ignored.

    • Thanks: Gerbils
    • Replies: @werpor
    , @Odd Rabbit
  27. To properly understand Israel one must study Judaism, and the group psychology of those indoctrinated into the cult. Then one will understand that the mass killing, the Carthaginian destruction, the joyous delight in murder and devastation, the perversity of donning Gazan women’s lingerie, the numerous demands from Israelis FOR genocide, Satan-yahoo’s evocation of the genocidal ‘Amalek’ abomination, the mass torture of captured Gazans etc, etc, are all INTRINSIC to Judaism and the Jewish psyche.
    That Israel and its various lobbies are demanding that the West joins them in the horror, to ‘exterminate the brutes’, is hardly surprising. Western elites and the brainwashed detritus of the failing Western dystopias are slobbering to inflict ‘Gaza’ on Russia, Iran, and, most of all, China. These various ‘Chosen People’ refuse to live in peace with others, which is quintessentially Judaic. Those Jews who free themselves from this genocidal xenophobia do so only after hard struggle, and then they must live with the epithet ‘self-hating Jew’. Likewise those who oppose the Judaic genocide must do so in the face of violence, slander and retribution, with criminalisation not far away.

  28. The question for the Jews is not how they can be a useful member of human society, but how they can dominate it.

  29. Ed Case says:
    @Chris Moore

    Jews won’t fight for our Crusader State if the Middle East?
    No surprises there, but I don’t blame them either.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  30. @Notsofast

    lets be honest here. Before this new mass murdering event, we all thought zionists only have outsize influence in DC. Now we know they out right control DC. Through DC, EU is also firmly in their control.

    This shit will fly and it will be smooth sailing. I would be happy to be proven wrong. This shit will only stop when the American people take up arms and depose of the “elected” officials. So never gonna happen in a million years.

    This nation is fucked. The college students protesting is our only chance left. If they fail, we are so utterly fucked. Absolutely zero hope. I only need this sinking ship to last 10 more years. I am getting out of this parasite infested ship. I would only change my mind if the students succeed.

    • Agree: Wokechoke, Gerbils
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  31. @Tom Welsh

    Israel will be liquidated, we are seeing it.
    As for “a ‘New War of Independence’ can be held aloft before the Israeli public as the metaphysical ‘vision’ of the way ahead,” This false sense of manifest destinity is not possible except with the zio-enslaved US people going into more national debt for the criminal enterprise called Israel.
    Israel will be liquidated, we are seeing it. Israel has joined evil and no matter how depraved Israel might get, or for how long, it shall perish.

  32. @Anynomous

    When you really think of it, Gazans are the only people standing up against evil.

    • Agree: John Trout
    • LOL: tamberlint
    • Replies: @Gerbils
  33. mumbling says:

    There is no more “Jewish Diaspora in the West”. There is no antisemitism in the West.

    However I understand “jewish” criminals may have a real need for the save heaven Isreal to avoid “persecution” by the laws of other countries.

    When the squatter Golda Mabovitch with additional avatars Golda Meyerson and Golda Meir said to Biden that the secrete weapon is that Jewish people have nowhere else to go, she was lying. When she said: “There were no such thing as Palestinians. They did not exist.” she was living in Villa Harun al-Rashid, a stolen Palestinian home.

    A division in to a Palestinian State and a continuation of an apartheid “Jewish” state is unfeasible today.

    The “solution” includes reparations for the region to be paid solely by Israel. The immediate abrogation of the “law of return” for “Jews” (which today is a direct calling for further stealing, genocide and ethnic cleansing in the OT and Talmud tradition), depopulation of “Israel”, end of apartheid, and let the demographics solve the problem.

    • Replies: @John Trout
  34. @Notsofast

    It’s about rebuilding the temple.
    You see the effects but you miss the cause.
    Jerusalem is the canary un the coal mine m of civilization.
    The 13th tribe will build the temple again, and again it shall be destroyed.
    Judaism will be purified as it did from the Levites, then the Pharses and soon from the Zionist.
    This will require, as it is the nature of existence, a time in the crucible, a decent into Dante’s inferno to come back to a sober realization that man is not his own god.

  35. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    Israel and the Misjudgement of Reality

    The misjudgement of reality may be on our part. The US has slaughtered millions over the years, wounded and maimed millions more and ruined other countries. This continues to this day !

    Why would anyone believe that these people and their bosom buddy will stay awake at night pondering the destruction of Gaza and just 40-50 thousand deaths. This is small change wet work.

    While the righteous will be horrified at such brutality, the criminal element consider this all normal. Fact is, the mischief makers look on their critics as being absolutely mad.

    This conflict will only be resolved through violence, favouring one side or the other. One thing I do know after having lived under a Dictatorship. After a while death and not living is something you start to prefer..

    The way I see it, anyone who thinks some white knight or coalition of ME countries is going to ride to the rescue of Palestine is delusional. WE, are the ones who probably misjudge reality !

  36. @IronForge

    Who ‘wants peace’? “Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.”?
    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

  37. @mulga mumblebrain

    “Presidential hopeful General Wesley Clark says the White House devised a five-year plan after the 9/11 strikes to attack seven majority-Muslim countries. “?

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/9/22/us-plans-to-attack-seven-muslim-states

    ‘They’ had the ‘excuse’ they needed to attack Iran?
    It appears that it is not going to happen?

  38. gT says:
    @Paul Greenwood

    Firstly, Israeli’s took over the US elite and government while Afrikaners did not take over the US elite and government. Secondly, Israeli’s want to take over Palestine and want all Palestinians gone, whereas Afrikaners wanted to take over all the land in South Africa but at the same time they wanted the blacks to work the land for them. So the Jews in Israel have different objectives from the Afrikaners in South Africa.

  39. Wokechoke says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    The scenes of settlers storming the Al Aqsa and even the dome of the Rock…

    This must have been how various factions vied for domination 33AD before Rome sacked the dump.

    The Jesus story at the Temple being a tongue in cheek recounting of how the Jews went about protests and riots.

  40. Wokechoke says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Many people thought their influence no problem. A figment of the imagination of the right wing.

    Now? If you didn’t know, now you know.

  41. @Notsofast

    Sometimes the only thing that can bring someone to their senses is a good slap across the face. Only military defeat will bring the Israeli public back to reality.

    • Replies: @MikePtoo
    , @Alfred
  42. @Anonymous 1

    Of course, they’d rather someone else do the dirty work for them. Let the dumb American goyim suffer from PTSD.

  43. Anonymous[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “In the end, we all eat reality sandwiches.”

    –Allen Ginsberg

  44. Jim H says:

    Message sent to my zionoid Congress Clowns this morning:

    Netanyahu’s July 24 address to a joint session of Congress is an odious desecration of the people’s House.

    By honoring the mass murderer Netanyahu, the United States joins Israel as an outlaw nation; a pariah country.

    Boycott the joint session. Arrest Netanyahu and deport him to The Hague to face justice.

    • Agree: werpor
  45. Yes, I’m sure we the scandalized audience will soon see the wicked Israel fall off a cliff as a scrappy band of international do-gooders rides to the rescue, to deliver justice on behalf of Humanity.

    Once the True Villain is unveiled and just deserts are served, everyone will return home to tuck themselves in, snug as a bug in a bungalow, restored to house and home, work and wholesome recreation, dog and goldfish, toddlers and prams. Virtue will have prevailed another time and the essentially reliable decency of humans will prove itself in a fresh new day.

    Democracy is the stupidest form of government.

    • Replies: @sally
  46. Jim H says:
    @ld

    This 1:14 X video, showing dozens of Congressional offices festooned with ‘I Stand With Israel’ signs, is appalling.

    It’s clear who governs this regime. And it’s not Americans.

  47. werpor says:
    @sally

    Agree. Thanks. Good and succinct analysis.

  48. werpor says:
    @Dry Patch

    When you use unconstitutional means to effect a change in government, that’s called a coup. Jews work overtime undermining the Constitution. The law has been made malleable and the Goyim are subjected now to Jewish law — which holds that any maleficent something-or-other done by Jews against Gentiles is a good as far as Jews are concerned.

    The “partial society” that triumphs over all the others in American politics today is Zionism — no other.  In the United States, the pro-Israeli position is the only “opinion that prevails” in academia, the mass media, and the political parties — with absolutely no consideration for the expense, injustice, and violence that it causes.  American support for Zionism has clearly been extremely detrimental for the United States of America, yet the support continues without question.  How does this happen? 

    First the right questions must be asked? America once powerful has been looted. How?

    How was it done? Who did it is a secondary question. Unless one truly understands the impact of the U.S. ceding the supply of the nations currency in 1913 to the privately owned and controlled Federal Reserve nothing can be done to correct the course of history.

    Remember this:
In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

    The Jews set their sights on America a long, long time ago. It was perfect for their intentions.
    Europeans understood the Jew. Americans simply opened their door and welcomed them! Of course their practices include the art of obfuscation, gaslighting, bribing, and slander, etc. Jews are only loyal to Jews. They infiltrated government and have never relented in their intentions — kill the Goyim.

    • Agree: Gerbils
    • Replies: @Odd Rabbit
  49. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Ed Case

    Jews won’t fight for our Crusader State if the Middle East?

    The Golden Calfer jews won’t fight for it? What are you talking about? They’re at the vanguard of it. And they’re also on the vanguard of fighting virus’ … the virus of antisemitsm, the Corona virus, the bird flu virus…
    https://alethonews.com/2024/06/10/bird-flu-fear-and-perverse-incentives/

    Marxist-Zionists are the vanguard of mass murder and parasitism. They are the virus.

    And the Trinity — enforced by Moses — is the final cure. lol He’s going to kvetch-slap them into hell — again.

  50. MikePtoo says:
    @The_seventh_shape

    Jews have already been “turfed” from over 1000 states, municipalities, kingdoms etc. since forever. What makes you think a military defeat in Palestine will change anything? They will just go to ground and start fycking the World up again, like they have for the last 3000 years.
    I think Jews have controlled the World financially and deviously for most of our history. They have demonstrated a total inability or even interest in communal cooperation for the benefit of all. I’m afraid there is only one final solution.
    Looks to me that everything they have ever touched throughout history has degenerated into a totally destructive clusterfyck.
    They lack the ability or commitment to make a decent society – even their more famous ones are fakes and plagarists – they are indeed the destroyers of civilization and without compassion.
    That’s humanities problem of the ages. We need a cure, call it a vaccine if you must.

    • Agree: druid
  51. eah says:

    A recent survey conducted by the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs shows that since 7 October, 79% of all Jewish respondents oppose the establishment of a Palestinian State on 1967 lines (68% were opposed prior to 7 Oct); …

    Need not necessarily matter — I’m sure most Serbians opposed the independence of Kosovo, yet in the 1990s NATO bombed Serbia on behalf of violent insurrectionists (mostly ethnic Albanian muslims) in the Serbian province of Kosovo, and today most of the West, including the US, recognizes the self-declared independence of Kosovo — so the West has shown it is willing to intervene, even militarily, on behalf of ethnic minorities (not the ethnic Russian minority of eastern Ukraine of course) seen as oppressed or wrongly treated — while a direct comparison may be problematic, one can certainly say that if there is a case for Kosovo statehood, then there is most definitely also a case for Palestinian statehood — I think everyone knows why the US might recognize Kosovo, but would not so much as rhetorically push Israel (i.e. forget about military intervention) in a public way to accept a Palestinian state at all, let alone one corresponding to the 1967 borders of Israel.

  52. TeeJay says:

    a psalm in the scripture states.
    “the fool believes in his heart that there is no God”.
    whatever one may think of Hisb Allah, {the party of God}
    for the most part,
    they are not fools…

  53. @Paul Greenwood

    I believe that did happen to some degree until communism in Africa was no longer an issue when the Cold War ended. Support was done under the table and through Western proxies like Israel and Taiwan, for example. The old South Africa was under sanctions, but somehow always had just enough high-tech locally made Western style weapons to stay in the fight.

    Anyway, apartheid South Africa inherited a huge territory, the Union of South Africa, from colonial Britain, which included Namibia back then. It was impractical considering the small numbers of whites.

  54. Bama says:

    The moronic West will one day crumble of its own pitiful doing. To be taken in by Jewish hegemony, used beyond belief and secretly spat at for being goy white is without peer.

  55. Anonymous[903] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abbybwood

    “Anyone living in the Palestinian pre-1967 borders will have to be expelled” Exactly so.
    Of course, they should be compensated for what it cost them to purchase the land – which again will be zero – i.e.- “bupkis” – their government stole it and gave it to them.
    Let the Momzers build a new “Wailing Wall” and cry their little hearts out.

  56. xyzxy says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Of course it’s hard for Americans to accept this reasoning, since their nation was acquired in exactly the same way – by driving out and exterminating the indigenous peoples.

    Well… that’s on the short list of this hour’s most idiotic UR comment. How are the two situations ‘exactly the same’?

    Who was the American Theo Herzl, and where was his World American Organization–you know, the operation that was ‘exactly the same’ as the World Zionist Organization? And was the Declaration of Independence ‘exactly the same’ as the Balfour Declaration?

    What existing countries got together to form the United States in the same way that Israel was formed? What existing countries totally supported (both economically and militarily) the on-going maintenance of the US, like the US supports the failed state of Israel? What countries had their own governments and social institutions surreptitiously infiltrated and taken over by Americans in order to finance the entire US as a nation project, like Jews infiltrated and subverted Western governments for Israel?

    If you think about it deeply, not casually relying upon a soundbite you may have heard somewhere about ‘stealing land from the Indians’, you will realize that there is nothing ‘exactly the same’ about the creation of Israel and the US, and that any similarities are only superficial.

    Also, if the criteria for legitimacy is ‘who came first’, well then… if one goes back far enough in order to find out who came from where, who conquered whom, and investigate historical migrations, then it’s going to be difficult to find an ‘indigenous peoples’ anywhere.

    However, that doesn’t make your other points about how young folks in Britain feel and think about Israel either unreasonable or invalid. Especially as your own country’s ‘indigenous peoples’ are being ‘driven out’. So I guess I can kind of get why you might be on-board the American Indian peace train. I mean, your Jews landed a long time ago, and now imported Moslems and Indians (those you call Asians) are set to totally overrun your country.

    Here in the US we also have a similar problem, by the way. In large part we can thank Mother Israel for that situation. But I’m not quite ready to chew peyote with Don Juan in order to get down with the Yaqui Way of Knowledge in order to atone for the white man ‘driving out and exterminating’ the Red Man and his Hard Rock casinos…, at least just yet.

    • Thanks: NeverTrustaWizard
  57. Rich says:

    I don’t see an Israeli defeat on the horizon. All three major political candidates have pledged full American support, so they won’t run out of arms. They aren’t losing large numbers of troops, at least according to reports and Israeli citizens seem fully behind the conflict. As long as they don’t try to invade Lebanon, they will continue to terrorize their Helots, I mean serfs, I mean Palestinians. Israel could declare victory today and go home if they wanted, but they are winning and they won’t retreat unless they start losing. Funny how not one Moslem country has done anything serious to help their coreligionists, right?

    • Replies: @ariadna
    , @muh muh
  58. @sally

    Thanks.
    “The Zionist (total ownership and total control model supported by the Use of Force) Model has no place in the coming multi-polar world.”

    Agree. It’s difficult to believe that the zionist model and their talmudic vision of the world could succeed in the future.

  59. Seems that all is not well in ” Paradise”

    How the Gaza genocide will lead to Israel’s collapse, with Shir Hever.

    More than eight months into this genocide, Israel is losing the war between its army and the resistance on the ground.
    Israel’s own economy is in shambles, as more and more Israelis leave abroad for good and as its high-tech sector collapses.

    “I think that what we’re seeing is, first of all, that this Israeli military doctrine has flown out the window,” political economist Shir Hever tells us on The Electronic Intifada Podcast.

    “There is no doctrine right now – what we have is a collapse of Israeli society. It is a social collapse. It’s also psychological collapse, [and] it has to do with the fact that Israelis have lost connection with reality,” he adds.

    Hever is the military embargo coordinator for the Palestinian Boycott Divestment and Sanctions National Committee (BNC) and works on its #ShutDownNation campaign.

    Hever, who lives in Germany, is the author of The Privatization of Israeli Security and The Political Economy of Israel’s Occupation.

    Along with the societal crisis, Hever says that Israel’s internal infrastructure is in an economic free-fall.

    “Israeli economists keep mentioning the fact that Israel became smaller, in the sense that so many people have left their homes, some of the homes were destroyed, some are just not safe, either in the area around the Gaza Strip, or in the north, close to Lebanon,” he says.

    “Families are just planning how to leave if they can, if they have an extra passport, or if they can find a job somewhere or studies or whatever. They will just leave.”

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/how-gaza-genocide-will-lead-israels-collapse-shir-hever

  60. Alfred says:
    @The_seventh_shape

    Only military defeat will bring the Israeli public back to reality.

    True. But they have already been defeated. The problem is that they won’t admit it until they are on a boat taking them to Cyprus.

    Hezbollah Utterly Destroys Israel’s Iron Dome and Northern Defenses


    Video Link

  61. “…the West is itself fissuring, and becoming a pariah on the global stage.”

    What are you talking about? Let’s take two of the more non western nations: Russia and China. The first sells commodities to the second to stay relevant and the second is dependent on the West to sell its value added, manufactured products to strut like a slut or peacock on the world stage. If the western markets were closed off then to whom do you think China would sell goods to, to India, Africa, Latin America (all of them poor without the West), to stay afloat?

    Of course, the West in general and America in particular may have miscalculated the world anger vis a vis Israel’s overwhelming response to the Hamas terror attacks but that’s no reason for a flawed thinking of the West becoming a world pariah.

  62. TKK says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Do you live in a nursery?

    Do you work?

    Every country is based on invasion and conquest. Every human achievement has a winner and a loser.

    Only weak men cry and whimper as you lot do.

    Israel wins at every turn and your response is to… bitch on the internet?

    Yeah… real gladiators.

    😅

    • Replies: @ariadna
    , @Leif
  63. @IronForge

    What the IDF don’t accomplish, the Israeli Settler Militia will;

    Dream on, the squatters are just as cowardly as the IOF. The squatters are masters of the gangup but they piss their pants and run like the IOF when there is the least bit of resistance.

    • Agree: ld
    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
  64. @Tom Welsh

    If Israelis complain, they should bear in mind that they never had any right to rule Palestine in the first place – their holy books notwithstanding.

    This is generally true, although some people hold the view that the 1948 United Nations mandate provides the Israeli state with the legal right to exist. For instance, Arthur Koestler was a Zionist and a Jew, who wrote the Thirteenth Tribe, arguing that Ashkenazi Jews are not a Semitic people and have no connection to the Middle East. He felt that his argument would not affect Jews’ claim to the territory of Palestine, because that claim was legal and came from the UN, rather than from Scripture.

    Of course it’s hard for Americans to accept this reasoning, since their nation was acquired in exactly the same way – by driving out and exterminating the indigenous peoples.

    There are some valid comparisons to be made between the Americans and the Jews in acquiring the land for their countries, but it cannot be said that they were “acquired in exactly the same way”. As a Brit, you should know this.

    The Americans fought a war for independence from Great Britain. They established their claim to land and the legitimacy of their government by a treaty they signed with the British. The British acquired that claim from the French, who had themselves gained it from the Spanish.

    Where did the Spanish get the right to North America? From the Pope in Rome. That’s why it is important that Columbus “discovered” America, because it is the legal basis for the existence of the American state.

    The origin of the Israeli state, on the other hand, is tied to the Balfour Declaration of 1917, a statement of intent from the British government. This led to the British mandate in Palestine under the League of Nations. Jewish terrorist activity compelled the British to renounce their role as protectorate of Palestine, so they petitioned the newly-formed United Nations to issue a mandate for the legal creation of a Jewish and an Arab state.

    I’m a 75-year-old living in Britain and I agree. The point is that once a huge, unforgivable crime has been committed – the creation of “Israel” in 1948 – there is no way to fix the consequences or make amends without undoing the original crime.

    As you can see, the British were involved every step of the way in the crime of ’48–the creation of the Israeli state. It is, therefore, incumbent upon the British make amends and undo the crime in which they participated. This undoing requires the removal of the squatter state’s legal right to exist, so the British must petition the UN to rescind the 1948 mandate. There is ample ground to argue that the Israelis have violated the mandate through their gross violations of the human rights of Palestine’s non-Jewish residents

  65. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:

    Raise your hand if you believe that poll showing Izzie support for extra genocide. After massive demonstrations against the Exterminator-in-Chief Bibi. Polls are propaganda. And Izzies, you can always tell they’re lying cause their lips are moving. So any Izzie poll is full of shit.

    Bibi is always trying to make his Izzies look bloodthirsty and intractable. He sends US dips out to settlers put up to jump around and yell “Lemme at ’em, lemme at ’em!” In actuality they’re beyond pragmatic, they’re sniveling pussy cowards, all packed for the flight to Russia’s autonomous Shtetl oblast.

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
    , @Skeptikal
  66. @mumbling

    The “solution” includes reparations for the region to be paid solely by Israel. The immediate abrogation of the “law of return” for “Jews” (which today is a direct calling for further stealing, genocide and ethnic cleansing in the OT and Talmud tradition), depopulation of “Israel”, end of apartheid, and let the demographics solve the problem.

    One of the conditions for the apartheid states conditional entry into the UN was they were to allow the refugees to return, another condition was they were to declare their borders. The apartheid state has not, after 80 years, fulfilled any of the conditions for their entry into the UN making their entry null and void.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  67. lavoisier says:
    @ld

    Congress is Israeli controlled territory. Far beyond occupied.

  68. xyzxy says:
    @Aleatorius

    If the western markets were closed off then to whom do you think China would sell goods to…

    Umm… maybe the rest of the world? And to themselves? However the better question is, “If the West stops all trade from China, who is going to support the West with goods?”

    This has been mentioned before, but a month or so ago Olaf Scholz and a crew of German industrialists travelled to China. Now, what do you think the Chancellor was there for? To threaten China to get on-board the ‘rules based order’ train, or risk Germany not buying anymore Chinese goods?

    No. Try another guess. It was to encourage China to allow more trade, and to allow more ‘joint ventures’, because the Germans realize that without China, their own industrial base is shrinking and cannot grow.

    So your idea that the China needs the West or it will tank is sort of backwards. In the context of Israel, the actual topic here, it’s sort of like Nimrata ‘you can call me Nikki’ Randhawha telling anyone who will take the time to listen to her that Israel doesn’t need the US, but the US needs Israel.

    • Agree: ariadna
    • Thanks: Tom Welsh
  69. A recent poll amongst 18-24 year-olds in Britain found that a majority (54%) agreed that “that the State of Israel should not exist”. Just 21% disagreed with this statement.

    I agree with the 54% of this cohort in Britain.

    No other “solution” will work, incl pre-67.
    They will not work because of Jews. This is the simple truth.

    The question is how much longer western societies will tolerate being ruined by Jews in exchange for “Israel’s right to exist”. Can they continue to to be persuaded by access to Pornhub while paying $1T every few months to Jew banksters in America ? Or while their nations are being degraded and fissuring as Alastair Crooke says ?
    This is hardly likely medium to long-term.
    It is less likely when considering that Jew power-houses like BlackRock, Monsanto etc and even Big Pharma will likely not exist after BRICS/SCO is found to be a better option by the world. It is also quite likely that many CEOs etc of those predatory companies will be facing trials.
    Not to forget the very likely trials of Israeli Jews.
    These are also likely in the other Jewish theatre, Ukraine, where Russia has just found SBU hand in the Crocus bombing. This almost certainly means involvement by MI6/Mossad/CIA. Whole cans of worms …

    Increasing numbers in the West will rid themselves of politicians who are Friends of Israel. Zionism is not a viable option any more.

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  70. Leif says:

    Seems there is indeed a lot happening these days, Gantz out, Netanjahu quarreling with Gallant and most importantly-not sure why the news isn`t reported on this site yet, hasn`t it come to America?-:

    The UNSC yesterday adopted a 14-0 resolution to adopt Bidens 3 stage peace plan and called for immediate ceasefire and Hamas accepted according to its offial Zuhri:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/11/israels-war-on-gaza-live-ray-of-hope-after-unsc-approves-ceasefire

    • Thanks: Agent76
    • Replies: @cousin lucky
  71. After over seventy years, the pariah Zionist occupiers have displaced, slaughtered and genocide Palestines indigenous people and replaced them with inbred psychopaths who call themselves Jews.

    From the river to the sea, Israel must cease to be.

  72. Agent76 says:

    Jun 4, 2024

    May 27, 2024 These Brothers Are Fighting Famine As Israel Starves Palestinians in Gaza

    This is the story of how two Palestinian brothers living a world apart – Mahmoud in northern Gaza and Hani al-Madhoun in Virginia — are fighting against Israel’s forced starvation in northern Gaza.


    Video Link

    • Thanks: James of Africa
  73. Anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    Armed with his 92-IQ AI, Suetonius is here to kikesplain us with the hasbara horseshit. Right to exist is Jew lies pulled out of Shlomotonius’ hairy reeking ass. Rescind the mandate is similar kike word salad. Israel pissed away its sovereignty by failing to protect people under its control from grave crimes. In law what happens next is not rescind anything. In law what happens now is recourse to rebellion and collective intervention under R2P Pillar 3. Like any other failed state, the Jew State is coming to an end. We don’t care how.

  74. ariadna says:
    @TKK

    “Israel wins at every turn”

    A little more “winning” and they’ll need more US funds to help with massive relocation to another “safe haven.” Let’s start a “Save Israeli Jews campaign.” In Birobidzhjan they can try to be “people like other people”….

  75. Leif says:
    @TKK

    “Do you live in a nursery?”
    – No, do you?

    “Do you work?”
    – Yeps, daily, how about you?

    “Every country is based on invasion and conquest. Every human achievement has a winner and a loser.”
    – You mean, like the Jewish people getting kicked out of 109 countries and -most of all- the “Holocaust(TM)” f.ex?

    “Only weak men cry and whimper as you lot do.”

    – You mean like the jewish people holding the world record in complaining/whimpering (making 500 movies, 270 museums worldwide, forbidding free speech worldwide and asking for greatest reparation-sum payout in world history…) about the “Holocaust(TM)”, “Antisemtism” and “7th october atrocities” ?

    “Israel wins at every turn and your response is to… bitch on the internet?”

    – You mean winning like its government/ economy and military dominance falling apart, its global trustworthiness ruined forever, global Antisemitism reaching unparalelled heights and rising and the entire world and justice system turning against it, with an ever increasing and powerful union of arabic and moslem nations/militaries (Turkey, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen, Arabic Union etc.etc….) all turning their guns against it only ever going to wait for the right moment in perpetuity?

    In that case, good for you/Israel, keep winning please!

    And please keep bitchin on the internet about people bitchin on the internet, obviously takes a real gladiator to know one…

    • LOL: Turk 152
    • Troll: TKK
  76. @John Trout

    I could not have put that better myself, thanks.
    👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  77. What zionist/satanist Israel and zionist/satanist/neocons in the ZUS want is a nuclear war to kill all the gentiles while the zionists sit out the nuclear strikes in their DUMB’s , which the zionists have throughout the ZUS and Israel, this is the plan and they are not going to stop until they have destroyed the world.

    Zionists are destroyers of nations and humanity and it is on display again in the genocide of the Palestinian people.

  78. Anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    There isn’t one reality in the ISRL/PLSTINE conflict. There are two versions of reality vying for perceptual hegemony in a new media pluralistic world.

    Put differently, Gaza is a social construction by both organized crime organizations to the conflict. The Gazan Palestinians are the unwanted outcasts of the Middle East who other Middle Eastern countries have intentionally planted in Gaza to form a spite population to the Israeli UN authorized invasion, confiscation and takeover of Palestine after WWII. The Palestinians are the unwanted lowest caste of the Middle East who depend on subsidies from other Middle East nations. Moreover, they are not entirely innocent victims but are paid actors on a stage in Gaza and in the US as anti-ISRLi protestors.

    Conversely, the Israelis are occupiers who have historically exploited the Hollywood created Holocaust narrative into what E. Michael Jones calls the post WWII re-founding religion of America. Did Israelis die in the Holocaust? Undoubtedly. Did they die in massively greater proportion to Germans, gypsies, Catholics and others in concentration camps? From what I can find, No. They mostly died of Cholera.

    There is no Natural Law or National Interest that determines whether war or genocide is immoral. There is only power, of which media power to control images is paramount. We must discern morality in an ambiguous situation where both sides are constructing their own slanted “reality”. The ultimate determinant of morality is winning, because the dominant narrative of a war goes to the winner.
    The Palestinians and their Middle Eastern masters want to portray Gaza as a genocide by Israelis, which undoubtedly it is, except the Israeli dominant media is portraying it in reverse. This socially constructed false narrative and the religious Deuteronomic mythology of the Israelis is in peril by the events unfolding in Gaza because Israel is shown not to care about genocide of women and children. Deuteronomy spells out killing everyone from warring tribes and taking no prisoners or slaves.

    I am opposed to the brazen slaughter of paid Palestinian “actors” who are willing to sacrifice their children while portraying themselves as innocents in Gaza as much as I am against the ISRLi Holocaust Narrative victim religion that legitimates their horrendous actions and their relentless revolutionist drive. There is a false dialectic operating in the Gaza situation that is obscuring the reality of the warring social constructions and the dramaturgy of the war.

    Violence is immoral not when it is morally legitimate because power determines legitimacy. Immorality is when violence is gratuitous and/or blind. The opposing actors in this drama both are not blind to their actions but they both are gratuitous; but both are manipulating the public to keep them blind to their manipulation of the imagery and dramaturgy. A plague on both their houses.

  79. Agent76 says:

    Jun 8, 2024 Protest at White House for Gaza — By WorldBeyondWar org


    Video Link

  80. ariadna says:
    @Rich

    “I don’t see an Israeli defeat on the horizon.”

    It depends what your definition of “defeat” is.
    If it is military, then Israel will not be defeated by Hamas but it is glaringly obvious they can’t win either, a failure that for the whole world, and for the Israels too, amounts to defeat.
    The more serious defeat, however, is to have made itself a huge problem for global Jewish power.
    The psychos in the Israel leadership could have contented themselves with a demonstrative “self-defense” massacre right after Oct 7, like so many others preceding ones, and stopped there, rather than engaging in overt genocide and crimes against humanity they boasted about, all live for the world to see.
    This has made it impossible for the Western media to cover it up or even pretend that it is all an “excess” (let alone a crime) of the “zionist extremists” –not when the entire Jewish population in Israel, the Jewish lobby in the US, the US Congress (“occupied territory”) support it.
    Too many people no longer blame “zionists” but “Jews,” and no amount of increasingly coercive and punitive “hate speech” and anti- “anti-semitism” laws and measures can contain this and repair the damage.
    Israel has been a vitally important asset of the elite global Jewish power. It helped, together with the Holocaust myth cudgel, to hold together a kvetching and squabbling but otherwise unified Jewish diaspora, which is an invaluable reservoir of sayanim.
    The sayanim, each according to his means, skills and location, have always been ready to serve and protect Israel (from Jonathan Pollard to US senators/congressmen (Lantos, Schumer, Lieberman, etc) to State Dept functionaries.
    So Israel cannot be allowed to disappear. But a complicated act of Talmudic magic will need to be performed by the Jews “too big to be seen” to repackage Israel now. Some of it will rely on sayanim as well: there will be (in fact they have appeared already) lots of Jewish voices raised in newfound (after 75 years..) moral indignation, jewsplaining to us that “Zionism is not judaism,” ” the solution is a two-state solution” (great negotiations to be planned for the next few decades…), ” “we are Tikkum Olan,” and the best one of all, that “descendants of the Holocaust victims condemn Israel’s barbaric acts.”
    This is by far the best one because it reinforces the eternal victimhood card and implies that the Jews, by dint of it, are the unchallenged moral arbiters.

    • Replies: @Gerbils
  81. ariadna says:
    @TKK

    A shekel short and decades late…
    Spit on some priests lately? Confiscated more church properties? Fond memories of defecating in the Church of Nativity?

  82. @Pythas

    Back to the alleged “Pale of the Settlement”, whats left of Ukraine.

    • Replies: @druid
  83. @IronForge

    Yikes!

    1,067 verbal Stool pellets, Replete with Rando Grammatical capitalizations, amounting To what?

    A Mountain of bladeless Knives without Handles!

    Edit, mein Dude.

    Conciseness is Your friend.

  84. Gerbils says:
    @one nobody

    When you really think of it, Gazans are the only people standing up against evil.

    Houthis, students and probably soon Hezbollah. Russia is taking the brunt of NATO’s waning military power but I don’t think they are really on board. India is a major disappointment. Nobody has screwed Indians over more than the Rothschild’s British Empire but they come back for more.

    • Replies: @ld
  85. Gerbils says:
    @ariadna

    So Israel cannot be allowed to disappear. But a complicated act of Talmudic magic will need to be performed by the Jews “too big to be seen” to repackage Israel now.

    Bingo! Now we get to see who the real power brokers are. Jews have private terminals in Switzerland, Netherlands and UK. I suspect we have no idea even who these people are. They travel without passports or with passports from any country they want. For the rest of us this situation is really intolerable.

    • Agree: ariadna
  86. This article is deliberately stuffed with ‘high brow’ words, to present the author as a very educated person, giving away wisdom to the world. BUT, it in reality exhibits ignorance on two main points: Israel is not now a ‘safe space’, and in time will be even less and less so. In case of a Holocaust in Europe? That is delusional! The West is 100% controlled by the Jews, and everywhere has very powerful allies. Second point of ignorance: the West wants a Palestinian state. Those are just words by diplomats, who are wholly on the side of Israel, and these words serve as a smoke-screen, behind which support flows non-stop, and saves face of the ruling elites before their ‘humanistic’ electorate. Two other points of ignorance are in what is omitted: one, Russia and China’s policies in the Middle East. Two, the effects of climate change on the region in the decades to come. Israel won’t be a ‘safe space’, even in case of success on some of the fronts, more like a hell hole. And, as a conclusion, Jews exhibit themselves as sectarians fighting for a half desert that will soon turn into a full desert, close to unlivable. The only way out of this scenario would be the arrival of the Messiah, in the form of a full-on atomic war. AND, Jews know that! So, the article falls flat on its face in a very spectacular way. And this, admittedly, is a form of entertainment. BTW, 1967 was 57 years ago. Wanting borders along those lines is akin to the Russians wanting NATO on pre-1997 borders. Retrograde fantasies.

  87. @werpor

    “They infiltrated government and have never relented in their intentions ”

    Important observations. In N-yahu we see how unrepentant the zionists/talmudists are in their projects.
    I just read this article of GR
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/psychiatrist-benjamin-netanyahu-commits-suicide/5859368

  88. Pablo says:

    “On the other hand, a majority of Israelis sees the risk of wider war as inevitable – indeed to be welcomed by many, if the Zionist project is to be fully established on the Land of Israel.” Of course they think this way. Israelis have gotten used to having its Boot Licking Lackeys the Americans, fighting for them. Bankrolling their warmongering. The solution? Let the Khazars fight as many Wars as they (claim) they want. Just make the Israelis pay for it with THEIR money and THEIR IDF and THEIR IAF, Let’s see how well the Israelis stand up to a healthy dose of that. Talk about attitude adjustment.

  89. muh muh says:
    @Rich

    I don’t see an Israeli defeat on the horizon.

    That’s because you, like a number of people here, don’t look closely enough.

    If demography is destiny, then the demographic trends in Israel need to be examined in order to understand how changes brought about by such trends will precipitate its demise. Here, we are not talking about Palestinian vs. Jewish population growth, but rather, about the fastest growing demographic among Israeli Jews themselves, that being the ultra-Orthodox.

    Two characteristics of this constituency which are too difficult — if not impossible — to change are their steadfast refusal to join the military and their equally obstinate aversion to ‘real world’ work. Since this group is well on its way to becoming a majority within one generation, not only will they weaken Israel’s military, they will also deplete the country’s coffers, contributing nothing in terms of income tax while living entirely on the dole. Already, many Jews have fled the country in anticipation of this inevitability.

    Now if one imagines that, in addition to this, after all Israel has done, it will be able to continue apace, reoccupying Gaza, waging war with its neighbors and milking the American cash cow as it pleases while American zioboomers gradually become fertilizer and prepare the ground for generations more sympathetic to Palestinian self-determination, they clearly don’t see the horizon at all.

    Those who see Israeli ‘victory’ perceive a pyrrhic one, suffering from a kind of myopia that blinds them to the inexorable fate awaiting the country most deserving of it.

    • Thanks: Corrupt
  90. druid says:
    @Notsofast

    NO damage to the religion, just exposure! The religion is satanic from the beginning!

  91. Megoy says:

    About 15 years ago Israeli politicians stated that the two state solution is like gun control in the US- it will NEVER happen because they will NEVER get the votes to support it. IMO, let Jews have their little shithole in the desert while white countries demand the SAME as we take OUR countries BACK and use OUR tax money for US! Our existence, our babies, our right to self defense like ALL other races have! Time to end the JEWPLICITY of Jews getting their Jewish homeland while attacking white gentiles as “Nazis” and “racists” for wanting the same thing! Oh and let’s not forget the Jews will pay us back the $TRILLIONS they owe us for WW1 & 2, 9/11, the 2008 financial crisis and the last 22 years of wars in the Middle East just like they did to Germany for WW1!! About $40 trillion! That should keep Jews busy for the next three centuries! Neo-con Jews will be tried and executed like Nazis for all the unnecessary evil they have done! #NowhitecountriesNoIsrael!

    • Replies: @Suetonious
    , @Anon
  92. @Arthur MacBride

    Arthur MacBride :

    1_I agree with the 54% of this cohort in Britain.

    2_No other “solution” will work, incl pre-67.

    3_They will not work because of Jews.

    4_This is the simple truth.

    • Replies: @Corrupt
    , @Passing by
    , @muh muh
  93. @Leif

    I, too, expected to see MSM about what is going in in Israel, but there was almost nothing about Satanyahoo and his cabinet. Intel may not build a chip plant in Israel and Hunter Biden got convicted of his gun charges, and of course there were the usual gun and knife stories of people going crazy!

    The longer Satanyahoo keeps his power in Israel the more everyday people in the United States want to end the gravy train and servitude to Israel altogether.

    I often wonder if the rich Jews in the United States would fill in the monetary gap if our crack whore congresspeople ever shut off the Israeli spigot?

  94. We may ask why there is so much violence, so much destruction, why so much cruelty. In fact there is a system of cruelty. People are expelled from their lands. Property is damaged, stolen. People are arrested, tortured and killed. Nowhere and never they are free.

    The answer is that all this is simply what Zism was from the beginning. It was never harmless. The people who lived in the land hadn’t done anything to the people who decided to come from Europe and take their lands. Zism had to be criminally violent in order to be what it was and wanted to be.

    On the other hand, the people of Gaza are the people who went to the last possible place for them. There was nowhere else where they could go. Some had managed to stay in the new country which was created in 1948, many immigrated to other countries, others went to refugee camps outside of the country. For some of them Gaza was the last possible station, the worst one and the only one from which there was no other place to go. Gaza is what remained for them, and it’s a prison and now a killing camp where Zism can show what it really is. It’s the great opportunity for Zism.

  95. @Megoy

    About 15 years ago Israeli politicians stated that the two state solution is like gun control in the US- it will NEVER happen because they will NEVER get the votes to support it.

    The article alludes to this when the author writes:

    “The question that those who say ‘the solution is simple’ – two states living side by side in peace – do not answer: Has the West the will or the political resolve to instantiate a Palestinian State by force of arms, against the current will of a plurality of Israelis?

    The answer, inevitably, is ‘no’. The West does not have the ‘will’ – and the suspicion then arises that in their hearts they know this.”

    The Israeli state has antagonized its neighbors, killing civilians and destroying infrastructure. Israelis are aware that they have made enemies, so now ultimate victory is their only option. Any compromise is like a gun constantly pointed at them, because the neurotic Israelis see that their neighbors have been wronged and want justice.

    This draws America and other allies into supporting Israeli aggression, since the Zionists won’t compromise. They will never accept a two-state solution because, knowing the crimes that have been committed, they would constantly live in fear of retribution.

    All of the nations supporting the Jewish state accept that there is no alternative to total victory. The EU and America realize that the Israelis are a rabid dog which cannot be controlled. By supporting it, they also accept that an alliance with the Israelis will likely lead to a larger war.

    Chutzpah is when the Jews steal your home and call you the bad guy for defending it. If this is your ally, then plan on getting dragged into a lot of fights

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  96. Skeptikal says:
    @Badger Down

    I noticed that misuse of “albeit.”

    Aaargh. Fingernail on blackboard.

  97. Skeptikal says:
    @Chris Moore

    And don’t forget: Professional victims.

  98. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    “all packed for the flight to Russia’s autonomous Shtetl oblast”

    I pray that you are right!

    But fear that you are wrong.

    They don’t want “their own” country.

    They want to take someone else’s.

    Some women are like that: they only want another woman’s man (some men, ditto).

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  99. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Megoy

    Speaking as an American Jew who lived for many years in Israelstine, the quickest way to end Zionism is to force all American Jews to move there. Within six months 80% will be howling to leave. But they mustn’t ever be permitted to come back here.

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  100. Canute says:

    The fundamental truth is that the Talmud ascribes no value to non-Jews as human beings. This is the guiding principle behind most all Zionist decision-making – certainly among the ruling elite of Israel, who are the children of the founders. They will continue to operate using lies, deception, charades, chaos and murder as their primary weapons as they work toward global control. Once we recognize that the Jews have murdered more people during the 20th Century than all other races and civilizations, it become obvious that they don’t care what non-Jews think, feel or do. They believe themselves to be omnipotent, but that is the cause for their occasional misjudgments throughout history. Right now, they believe themselves to be invulnerable and “safe” because they have sold the “West” on the belief that there was something called a “holocaust” about 85 years ago. That too, is a complete deception.

  101. @Tom Welsh

    … [the American] nation was acquired in exactly the same way – by driving out and exterminating the indigenous peoples.

    You are a liar.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  102. IronForge says:

    Seems like Mister Synwar himself has misjudged the situation on the Ground:

    Hamas Leader Says Palestinian Deaths Are ‘Necessary Sacrifices’ In Leaked Messages Obtained By Wall Street Journal

    https://www.oann.com/newsroom/hamas-leader-says-palestinian-deaths-are-necessary-sacrifices-in-leaked-messages-obtained-by-wall-street-journal/

    Since when were “Human Shields of Civilians” Necessary?

  103. Israelis living on occupied land are Squatters, not Settlers. Although invited by their Gov’t, they knew why they were invited and that their residency is illegal. Israel and US have no authority to establish permanent Israeli homes in occupied Palestinian. Their objective is obvious and illegal. Describing current conditions more accurately will enable clarity and hopefully more constructive thinking about resolution.

    Abandoning correction of wrongful action because it’s difficult isn’t constructive. Just resolution should be our first consideration; the best path forward would be next.

    Squatters could be removed with Israel’s default tactic in Palestine: force. I doubt we’ll be struggling with the Squatter issue. Israel’s current path is so beyond reason it’s vaporized what global good-will and support they previously enjoyed. Loss of security and economic viability will soon have Israelis moving abroad, further diminishing sustainability of the State. Both Israel and United States cling blindly to old zero-sum strategies. Significant global peers are shifting from zero-sum to cooperation and good will because win-win is more effective. It’s actually an abundant planet. zero-sum smash and pillage benefits a few while destroying millions. Win-win builds and benefits all.

    It’s a new era; no country will win a war of aggression today. The further we go down this path, the worse blowback will be for both Israel and United States.

    • Agree: Corrupt
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  104. @Skeptikal

    Close but no cigar, Skep.
    The Pale was such a shithole because the Jews had to defraud each other
    (it was part of Catherine the Great´s social reforms, remember), and they
    never forgot that; plus there is a Talmudic injunction against manual labor
    as unworthy. Theodor Herzl promised to make them “a people like any other”,
    working the land an sheet, but that never was a remote possibility.
    It is not Futterneid, it is obligatory parasitism.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  105. Briahna CANCELED for Being Pro-Palestine? What Really Happened? (w/ Due Dissidence)


    Video Link

  106. It is not only Israel that is the victim of Mohammedan barbarism but also the Christians of the Middle East.

    https://morningstarnews.org/2024/03/officials-in-egypt-abet-kidnappers-of-christian-woman-father-says/

    Officials in Egypt Abet Kidnappers of Christian Woman, Father Says

    (Christian Daily International) – Authorities in Egypt have abetted the kidnapping and forcible conversion to Islam of a Coptic Christian woman, according to a widely published expert on the Middle East and Islam.

    Irene Ibrahim Shehata, a 21-year-old medical student at Asyut National University, disappeared on Jan. 22 between mid-term exams in Asyut, according to Raymond Ibrahim, Distinguished Senior Shillman Fellow at the Gatestone Institute.

    Her father reported in February that she had managed to make a desperate, tearful call to her brother before a man seized the phone and said, “Okay, you heard her voice and know she’s okay, right? Now go to hell!” before disconnecting, Ibrahim wrote in a report for rights watchdog Coptic Solidarity. ………

    • Replies: @gT
    , @druid
  107. @IronForge

    More “Israeli Intelligence” from one of UNZ’s resident Zio Turd Agents.
    Everything that comes from you Zio Turd Agents has to be taken with a 25 kilo bag of salt.

    Four Israeli Soldiers Killed in Gaza – Moshe Feiglin’s Grandson among Casualties.

    Israel confirmed that an officer and three soldiers from the Givati Brigade were killed on Monday in fierce battles in Rafah, south of the Gaza Strip.

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/four-israeli-soldiers-killed-in-gaza-moshe-feiglins-grandson-among-casualties/

  108. @muh muh

    muh muh said-

    Now if one imagines that, in addition to this, after all Israel has done, it will be able to continue apace, reoccupying Gaza, waging war with its neighbors and milking the American cash cow as it pleases while American zioboomers gradually become fertilizer…

    Decades ago I worked in an automobile factory unionized under the United Auto Workers.

    One of my buds was prolonging a repair job that even by the laxest of UAW standards should have been completed.

    “Walt, buddy,” (with a smile) “How long you gonna milk that job?”

    “‘Til it runs outta milk!”

    The plant is long gone, and Walt runs a party store somewhere in Michigan.

    Same game, different players.

  109. Corrupt says:
    @Charles Martel France

    If that is how Palestinians want to live, YES!

  110. What is not being discussed in the collapse of Israel and Judeo fascism is how we got here via the holy book. Beliefs in words in a book. This holy fiction book – believed – is being animated by the believers. The tales of bloodlust in the Holy Bible are being brought to life in Gaza today. Word for word the sick and twisted tales are acted out by the believers who form Israel today:

    Numbers 31:17 Vengeance on Midian
    …16“Look, these women caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to turn unfaithfully against the LORD at Peor, so that the plague struck the congregation of the LORD. 17So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, 18but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.…

    It never dawns on the brainwashed that no creator god would tell you to destroy other parts of creation. These Torah tales of terror are the words and fantasies of the men who wrote them, not some god. A jealous god who wants you to kill is a projection of maniacal Jewish ego onto deity. Not real in any way, and not to be believed let alone acted upon. But because so many dupes believe the Bible true, Jews can get away with genocide.

    So what is not being discussed in the fall of Zionist Israel is how faith creates evil. Faith and belief in the Holy Bible is animating evil. I’d say it is time for western man to ditch the Bible and take up Buddhism before western man blows himself off the planet.

  111. Skeptikal says:
    @Suetonious

    The Zionists wanted to ensure total ethnic control and supremacy within their state.

    Hence their basic policy was The Iron Wall: Military supremacy, until they beat their antagonists—both within and without their supposed borders—into despair and submission. As articulated by Jabotinsky, Dayan, and others.

    It kinda worked for a while. Partly because of Quislings like Abdullah of Jordan and other Arab leaders who colluded in transferring their own Jewish populations to Israel and accepting Pal refugees from Israel. So, the Zionist state more or less managed to get a Jewish majority, depending on where you did the counting.

    Intermittent massacres and ethnic cleansing weren’t enough to get rid of the Pals.

    Now the Zionists are going for the kill in both Gaza and the West Bank, the ultimate logic of The Iron Wall.

    However, meantime everyone else is also operating on the Iron Wall principle.

    The West pretends not to notice this, and constantly drivels on about the two-state solution.

    Yeah, right. Even in the Zionists now say they want to be friends, no one will ever believe them because they have lied about every.thing. since day 1 of their crazy-assed biblical project. They are proud of their lying skills. So, even if they were brought to abject subservience, they would never honestly agree to play nice with their neighbors, or anyone else. It’s always fingers crossed. Maybe that is the symbolism of the Star of David.

    So, now it’s a fight to the finish—Make My Day time at the Middle East Lounge.

    An Iron Wall for everyone at the bar. Make those doubles.

  112. @Charles Martel France

    1. Salman Rushdie is a p o s and a really, really untalented writer. I received the Satanic Verses as gift shortly after it was published and dropped it before reaching page 100.

    2. If Palestinians want to establish a Taliban-like state on their land, well, it’s their land and they have every right to organise their state as suits them. Just like it’s the French’s right to elect and re-elect as their president a psychopathic coke-sniffing faggot “married” to a 24yr older transvestite who abused him when he was a teenager.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  113. Skeptikal says:
    @nokangaroos

    I don’t see the relevance of your comment to mine.

    NB:
    “In 1934 the Soviet state established the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the Russian Far East. This region never came to have a majority Jewish population. The JAO is Russia’s only autonomous oblast and, outside of Israel, the world’s only Jewish territory with an official status.”

    They didn’t want that oblast—their very own.

    They wanted Palestine—another people’s country.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  114. muh muh says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Rushdie is incorrect, but that’s to be expected, since he’s less a scholar of Palestine than he is an overhyped demagogue.

    Palestinians definitely might want a more Islamic government, but it certainly wouldn’t be like the Taliban. Even the more devout Muslims in Palestine send their daughters to school, and the burqa is exclusively Afghan.

    But the more important point is, who cares? Palestinians have a right to self-determination, regardless of how that might manifest itself. The rule of thumb is to honor national sovereignty, not some tortured, meaningless iteration of ‘democracy’.

    • Replies: @Mactoul
  115. ld says:
    @Gerbils

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
  116. Altai4 says:

    The hard truth is that the Resistance has understood the reality of the situation better than their western counterparts.

    Hard truth for whom? Not “the West” whose population is almost unanimous in condemnation of this. It may be a hard truth for the true Jewish Zionists.

    It’s not a hard truth that the resistance has been winning and has the ability to win while Israel can’t. If you privately asked all but the most stupid American or British politicians and any of the other Western politicians they’d acknowledge that. They’re not really Zionists (Even the ones who say they are) they are just scared of the Jewish lobby. They don’t actually care if Israel exists tomorrow.

    But they do care what their Jewish donors want.

    Tony Blinken though should win the award for stupid. His insane emotional dispatch of the carriers to Israel was him revving things up for a regional war with Iran for Israel that was only doomed to seal the fate of Zionism even worse. And unlike the others he actually is a Zionist.

  117. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Yukon Jack

    I’d say it is time for western man to ditch the Bible and take up Buddhism before western man blows himself off the planet.

    Buddhism came out of caste system Hinduism. It couldn’t abide by haughty, entitled and murderous Brahmins. Anglo-Zionists and kikes practice a similar belief system.

    Moses-Christianity came out of haughty Hebrewism. It couldn’t abide by golden calf kikes posing as holy men.

    Heeebhunter calls Anglo-Zionists “Angloids”. I’ll call their golden calf Hebrew partners in crime Hebroids. Together, they used Marxist-Zionism to start WW1 and WW2.

    But you want to lay kike crap on Jesus Christ? Are you going to acknowledge that the Buddhists gave haughty Hindus a good kvetch-slapping for a reason as well?

    Until all these kikes apologize for killing Christ and make restitution, its going to be open season on every haughty, belly-crawling mutant on earth forever. Let these mutants slouch towards Gomorrah together.

    • Agree: druid
  118. How the Gaza genocide will lead to Israel’s collapse, with Shir Hever

  119. Sarita says:

    I was thinking about something last night:
    Sinwar told the other Hamas leaders in Qatar that “all the deaths happening in Gaza were worth it”…
    So I thought, one, did sinwar ask the 40 thousand dead for permission to have them killed by the Jews? I mean it’s my life, why are you playing with it?
    And two, Hamas is a terrorist organization, ok I agree but, aren’t the civilians in Gaza Hamas’ hostages and if so, why is Israel killing them then?
    When looking at these two situations who is worse, Israel or sinwar?

    • Replies: @druid
  120. On all fronts, the Israeli internal paradigm is fracturing; and externally, the West is itself fissuring, and becoming a pariah on the global stage. The western leaderships’ explicit facilitation of a bloody cleansing of Palestinians has incised the old spectre of ‘Orientalism’ and colonialism onto the skyline. And is gyring the West towards being ‘the world’s untouchable’ (along with Israel).

    The Second Coming by William Butler Yeats:

    [MORE]

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43290/the-second-coming

    William Shakespear — Macbeth — Act 4, scene 1:

    Double, double toil and trouble:
    Fire burn, and cauldron bubble.

    By the pricking of my thumbs,
    Something wicked this way comes.

    https://www.rsc.org.uk/macbeth/about-the-play/famous-quotes

    I say:

    Cut all ties with the ungrateful millstone client state bastards in Israel — forcibly disband AIPAC and the ADL by making all of them register as FOREIGN lobbyists — and go to an Offshore Regional Balancer strategy to prevent any more horseshit wars like George W Bush’s Iraq War debacle.

    Genocide Joe Biden was a big backer of George W Bush’s 2003 IRAQ WAR DEBACLE and Genocide Joe Biden voted in the US Senate to give George W Bush the GREENLIGHT to drag the American Empire and the US military into the 2003 Iraq War Debacle.

    Israel is not an ally of the USA.

    Israel is a strategic liability for the American Empire.

    The Jew-controlled JEWS ORGANIZED GLOBALLY(JOG) JOGPAC — also known as AIPAC — wants to drag the US military into a war with Iran.

    Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Tom Cotton and many other treasonous US politicians will tell you there is no daylight between the foreign policy interests of the United States and the foreign policy interests of Israel. That is nonsense. All nations have particular foreign policy interests that are clear and distinct from other nations. But the rancid treasonous whore politicians in the USA — such as Joe Biden, Donald Trump and Tom Cotton — will tell you there is no daylight at all between Israel and the United States in terms of foreign policy interests.

    • Thanks: JR Foley
  121. anarchyst says:
    @IronForge

    OANN is a good news resource when it comes to local and national affairs, but when it comes to israel, OANN is completely in the bag for israel. OANN refuses to handle any story that places israel in a bad light. Reports of israel’s mass murder genocide campaign are dismissed completely. When it comes to israel, there is absolutely no honest reporting out of OANN. None, whatsoever…

  122. @ld

    The Iron Dome is another Israeli Fantasy that they convinced the world is the best system in the world that is impenetrable
    Just like the deception boast that IOF is the greatest unbeatable “Army” in the world!

    • Replies: @ld
  123. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Hulkamania

    I live in England and I don’t want jews here. They can fuck off to Mars

  124. @Passing by

    Salman Rushdie is … a really, really untalented writer.

    Just so.

    I received the Satanic Verses as a gift … and dropped it before reaching page 100.

    Your endurance was roughly double mine! H/t.

    I’m sure you remember that Rushdie got to play the victim for several years thanks to the fatwa allegedly issued against him by (if I recall aright) the Ayatollah Khomeini. For me, the best thing that came out of that publicity stunt—indeed, out of Rushdie’s entire existence—was a hilarious Gary Larson cartoon where Elvis and Rushdie were shown, together in hiding in what looked like a motel room, peeking through venetian blinds at life’s passing parade.

    • LOL: Passing by
  125. @Anon

    The already-established whiny and entitled Israeli Jews would view the newly arrived whiny and entitled American Jews as arrivistes. And what a thermonuclear bitchfest that would be.

    • Agree: John Trout
  126. meamjojo says:

    “In short, as the western institutional leadership clings to the shrinking Israeli secular liberal Left, Israelis as whole (including the young) are moving hard Right.”

    Most of Europe is moving to the right. This is not unexpected when their countries are flooded with sub-human Muslims who corrupt their cultures and are a nexus of crime in each country.

    • Replies: @JR Foley
  127. meamjojo says:

    Biden’s foolish attempt to force Israel into a ceasefire is backfiring.

    Israelis on Front Lines Say Biden’s Peace Plan Is Forcing Them To Fight Forever War
    Andrew Tobin
    June 10, 2024

    TEL AVIV—President Joe Biden has admonished Israelis to stop waging “indefinite war” and embrace his plan for Middle East peace.

    But more than half a dozen war-weary Israeli reserve soldiers from across the country told the Washington Free Beacon that Biden’s diplomacy is actually dragging out the Gaza war he is pressing Israel to bring to an end. By restraining Israel, they said, Biden is preventing the Jewish state from defeating or deterring its genocidal enemies.

    “It’s very frustrating,” said Snir Tal, 24, a reservist in an elite Israel Defense Forces commando unit. Tal saw two of his best friends killed during six months of service in the war in the Gaza Strip, which the Palestinian terror group Hamas started with a massacre and mass abduction in southern Israel on Oct. 7. “It feels like all our work and all our losses were for nothing.”

    “I don’t think Biden really understands this neighborhood,” said Emil Grishpun, 40, a Finance Ministry official and infantry reservist who volunteered on Oct. 7 and served four and a half months in the West Bank. “We’re here doing the job, so let us finish the job. Otherwise, it will be like this until the end of time.”

    “It’s all the same war,” he said. “We have to finish Hamas in Gaza so we can go deal with Hezbollah in Lebanon—if not now, then within a couple years.”

    Like several other reservists, Vaknin expressed hope that Biden will no longer be in office when the time comes for war in the north.

    “If Trump wins, I think it might be different,” he said. “We might have the freedom to change our reality.”

    https://freebeacon.com/israel/israelis-on-front-lines-say-bidens-peace-plan-is-forcing-them-to-fight-forever-war/

  128. @Anonymous 1

    Maybe they can get the US Christian Zealots for Armageddon to do the fighting .

  129. meamjojo says:

    “The reality is that there are 750,000 settlers occupying the West Bank and East Jerusalem (and a further 25,000 settlers living in Syria’s Golan Heights). Who will remove them? Israel won’t. They will fight to the last settler; many of whom are zealots. They were invited and placed there in the years since the 1973 war (largely by successive Labour governments), precisely to obstruct any possible Palestinian state coming into existence.”

    Settlers are too often blamed when the real problem is simple Arab thievery against other Arabs. These guys aren’t Boy Scouts!

    Mainstream media twists the truth of West Bank, doesn’t face any consequences
    By ALIZA PILICHOWSKI
    June 2, 2024

    On Saturday, March 30, a group of non-governmental organizations who claim to protect human rights began tweeting that a group of settlers, irrespective of whether it was Shabbat, had come armed to local Bedouins and stolen their livestock. The story began to spread and even reached the White House.

    On Saturday night, the livestock was found, but not with settlers. It turns out the pictures of armed settlers in their Shabbat finest the NGOs were spreading had nothing to do with the stolen livestock. The livestock were found in an illegally constructed dwelling near Uja al-Fooqa, and Bedouins were the thieves. When confronted by police, the Bedouins violently attacked the police.

    False stories, exaggerated statistics, and fabricated pictures are all too common when it comes to NGO and media reports of “settler violence.” Of course, there are extremist and violent settlers, but they are a small and statistically insignificant group when compared to the larger settler community and the wider Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    http://jpost.com/diaspora/article-804577

    • Replies: @anon
  130. sally says:
    @tamberlint

    Democracy is bottom up regulation of government.

    The rich and powerful will not stand for it.

    • Replies: @tamberlint
  131. They look white to me

    • LOL: Gerbils
  132. @ld

    Nothing confirms with greater clarity the Jewish money influence, (also ufemistically referred to as the Jewish Question or the Jewish problem) then the myopic/blinkered view of the US Congress and Senate of Israel and it genocide of Palestinian women and children. Birds of a feather will expire together.

  133. Reality? Hardly anyone sees it – secularists, churchians, judaists, muslims or whatever.

    This is a war on western civilization.

    Why are White nations being targeted for destruction? And by who?

    “I keep six honest serving men, they taught me all I knew. Their names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.”  – Rudyard …

    crushlimbraw.blogspot.com

    What say we broaden the perspective by asking questions?

     Why is this happening?

    https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2024/06/why-are-white-nations-being-targeted.html?m=0

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  134. ld says:
    @Anonymous 1

    I concur
    we are watching the destruction of Israel in real time

    Paper Tiger

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
  135. JR Foley says:
    @Chris Moore

    Israel is a cancer–one way is to use nuclear radiation for a fast one one-time cure for what Auschwitz could not accomplish –apple pies aside.

  136. JR Foley says:
    @meamjojo

    True Jew—everyone is a subhuman if they are not Jewish–including the crew of the USS Liberty !!

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  137. @Aleatorius

    It’s definitely a lunatic idea the West is turning itself into world pariah by supporting the Jewish genocidal lunatic gangsters in Israel.

    It’s such an incredibly crazy notion that its impossible to believe that in England a poll found that among the up to 24 year olds a majority agrees Israel has no right to exist. I mean how could that possibly be if everything is going great for Israhell.

    It’s coming brother. Just remember my corollary to the Golden Rule that energizes the first part is that “as, you do to others, so it shall be done to you. ” And I may now add, “in spades.”

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  138. @sally

    This comment is funny on so many levels.

  139. @The Old Philosopher

    In the West the opinions of the serfs mean NOTHING! ONLY the rich and their money, ergo the Jews, count. How have you become ‘old’ without learning that? The IDF ghouls could snack on Gazan babies’ brains, straight from the skull, while singing, dancing and swinging chickens, and Western politicians would counsel them not to have such poor table manners.

    • Replies: @The Old Philosopher
  140. @oldAmerican

    I hate to be insectophobic, but the settlers are an infestation, like a Biblical plague.

  141. @IronForge

    ‘…leaked messages obtained by the Wall Street Journal’??!! Are you a fatuous cretin, or a knowing peddler of pure disinfo shite?

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
  142. Rich says:
    @muh muh

    I think that when this conflict in Gaza ends, there will be a death ratio of 5,000 to 1 or maybe even worse in favor of Israel. I think the Israelis will take control of more real estate and I think the US will continue arming and assisting them. I think the Israelis will continue to assassinate foreign leaders they don’t like and will continue to bomb Syria at will. I think the Pyrrhic victory will belong to the Palestinians and their supporters who will continue to chant and protest and then slowly wither away like their “occupy Wall Street” protests withered away. No one is coming to save the Palestinians. No one. They’ve proven themselves to be a tough people, just like their ancestors at Masada, and they’ll suffer the same fate.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @muh muh
  143. @Skeptikal

    Pardon for not making myself clear …
    they wanted the Crimea (sound familiar?), and Lenin said no; Stalin gave them
    Birobidzhan, and they said no. Jews do not want to live among Jews (surprise) –
    actually they have loads of jokes about that – except for safety (therefore Israel
    must create “anti-semitism”).
    Just like ´shrooms are but the visible testicles of the actual fungus, “Israel” has
    no independent existence; far from “a people like any other” (h/t T. Herzl) it is
    a safe haven for those Jews who have been found out, a refuge for embezzlers,
    child rapists and their ill-gotten schab – just as the Great One predicted
    100 years ago (as a next-level irony Morocco has become Israel´s Israel – the place
    Israeli criminals go when they do not want to be extradited).
    “Someone else´s country” per se is worthless because someone has to
    actually work (the “settlers” are psychos but come closest to the original Zionist intent).
    We may say not only has Zionism failed in its promises to
    1) make the Jews normal, and
    2) rid the World of them,
    it has made matters a lot worse.

    • Thanks: druid
  144. Zane says:

    Hamas Schmamas. Geddit?

  145. Mactoul says:
    @muh muh

    Whose rule of thumb?
    And what about sovereignty for Tibetans?
    Why we must cry for Palestine all the time.

    • Agree: meamjojo
  146. @Yukon Jack

    Faith and belief in the Holy Bible is animating evil. I’d say it is time for western man to ditch the Bible and take up Buddhism before western man blows himself off the planet.

    Talking about Buddhism and eastern religions, I bumped into this 30 minute video yesterday about Gurdjieff:

    Without accepting any conclusions from this video, it likens humans to prisoners, which reminded me of what you wrote before. But most interestingly I liked the insights presented about the human “self ” (really multiple competing selves), and the fact that human awareness and will are only present for very brief periods, and that we are actually asleep given that our will and self-awareness cannot be sustained.

    If you can find some time, it is worth a listen.

    • Replies: @werpor
  147. meamjojo says:
    @JR Foley

    Well, its clear that you are. Are you Muslim?

  148. meamjojo says:
    @Mactoul

    And a state for the Spanish Catalans!

    And what about the Indian Muslims?

    I’m an Indian Muslim, and I’m Scared to Say So
    May 26, 2024, 1:00 a.m. ET
    By Mohammad Ali – Mr. Ali, a journalist and writer who focuses on right-wing efforts to transform India into a Hindu nation, wrote from Delhi.

    I used to answer the phone with “Salam.” Not anymore. I don’t want people to know I’m a Muslim.

    There is little that would identify me as Muslim to begin with, aside from my name. I don’t wear a skullcap, and in public I avoid wearing the loosefitting Pathani kurta and peppering my speech with Urdu words, all of which are identity markers for Indian Muslims. But in the India of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, you can’t take any chances.

    For 10 years, Mr. Modi’s Hindu-chauvinist government has vilified the nation’s 200 million Muslims as dangerous undesirables. Recently, he took that rhetoric to a new low during the six weeks of voting in India’s national elections — which are widely expected to win him a third consecutive five-year term — directly referring to Muslims as “infiltrators” in a country that he and his followers seek to turn into a pure Hindu state.

    As offensive as that was, it is sadly familiar to Indian Muslims like me who — after a decade of denigration, violence and murder — live in daily fear of being identified and attacked, forcing us into self-denial to protect ourselves.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/26/opinion/india-muslim-modi-election.html

  149. gT says:
    @Charles Martel France

    For over a thousand years Jews and Muslims were the best of buddies. When the Muslims ruled Spain the Jews enjoyed the best period in their history. Its only since 1948 that some conflict has existed between Muslim and Jew. So its over a thousand years of friendship and then now like not even 100 years of not so friendly relations. Which is why the bulk of Muslims and Muslim countries don’t fight Israel now, its only the minority Shia Muslim grouping which can’t stand Jews, and actively fight Israel. The hundreds of millions of Sunni Muslims in Egypt and Turkey and so on do nothing. And while Jews spend all their time in their synagogues strategizing how to destroy goyim and take over goyim countries, Muslims don’t have enough brains for that so all Muslims can come up with in their mosques is how to settle Muslims in Christian countries and how to rape Christian women and get away with it. Nothing a Jew does to a goyim is considered a sin and nothing a Muslim does to a Christian is considered a sin. In fact, the more a Jew harms goyim and the more a Muslim harms Christians the more highly thought of they are in their respective communities.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  150. @ld

    150 Missiles from Lebanon – Hezbollah Retaliates against Israeli Raids

    Israel monitored the launch of five missile barrages from southern Lebanon towards Upper Galilee, targeting the Golan Heights and the northern Jordan Valley.

    The majority of these attacks focused on the cities of Tiberias and Safed, where 100 missiles fell within minutes.

    The Lebanese Resistance movement Hezbollah announced that these strikes were in retaliation for the assassination of four of its members, including a military commander, during an Israeli raid.

    150 Missiles
    According to Israeli Army Radio, 150 missiles were fired from southern Lebanon into northern Israel, with 160 shells detected since the morning. Seventy of these were aimed at the Jabal Jarmaq area and Western Galilee.

    The Israeli occupation army reported that some of the missiles caused fires in the north and confirmed that its defenses intercepted several missiles, though some landed in various locations.

    The local Israeli Regional Council in Upper Galilee advised residents to stay close to shelters and safe places…..

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/150-missiles-from-lebanon-hezbollah-retaliates-against-israeli-raids/

  151. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Rich

    No one is coming to save the Palestinians. No one. They’ve proven themselves to be a tough people, just like their ancestors at Masada, and they’ll suffer the same fate.

    Do you believe that? That they’re the real deal? It would certainly explain why these kikes are hell-bent on exterminating them from the face of the earth.

    • Replies: @Rich
  152. Rich says:
    @Chris Moore

    It makes sense that the Palestinians would be mostly descended from the original inhabitants. Forced conversion was the original policy of the invading Moslem hordes so I’d expect that those that wanted to survive would have converted and the two religions are very similar. There is even a case to be made that the Ashkenazi are the Army of the North written about in the Book of Revelations.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  153. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Rich

    I think these golden calf Hebrews that got kvetch-slapped by Moses have been grinding their axes for 3500 years. I think they devolved into bitter Hebroids and have been ear-whispering poison and incitement and curses against Moses-Christians ever since. I think they eventually set up shop in Khazaria and spread their Satanic poison there. I think they became the Yids and the Cousinhood and Marxists and then synthesized as Neocons. I think they have the ultimate aim of running the world from Jerusalem as poseur “Jews” — moral frauds, parasites and embittered, stunted, murderous, wild-eyed anarchists and terrorists who spread nothing but poison, war, grift and chaos.

    And I think they are going to fail big time, and pay the ultimate price. I think God/History is closing in on their ratty kike asses as we speak.

  154. druid says:
    @Pierre Vuk

    Nope. That would be giving them exactly what they want. Either extinction or Birozhobian.

  155. druid says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Horrible, I agree. They should be executed.
    However, you might want to look at crimes in the USA. Massive numbers. And a lot women killed and abused. Is the Jesusism!
    Effer

  156. @mulga mumblebrain

    I guess my poor attempt at sarcasm didn’t come through as I had hoped.

    • Thanks: mulga mumblebrain
  157. druid says:
    @Sarita

    Idiot, Sinwar is not killing. Israel is. Still have that zio question on your srpent tongue?

    • Replies: @Sarita
  158. werpor says:
    @Unbornawakened

    Yes indeed. Few people know his work. Fewer people understand his work. The premise is ancient.

    His work is practical. There is no necessity for belief.

    His advice is “…verify for yourself.”

    Yes he wrote books — but reluctantly. When asked, he said he was a dance teacher; but what dances!

    The “dances” are intended to both give evidence of our absolute lack of attention and provide a means of acquiring it.

    What is it, that without it, we can do nothing?

    • Replies: @Unbornawakened
  159. meamjojo says:
    @gT

    “And while Jews spend all their time in their synagogues strategizing how to destroy goyim and take over goyim countries”

    DAMN! Thanks for reminding me about this important meeting later today. Completely slipped my mind!

    • LOL: N. Joseph Potts
  160. Sarita says:
    @druid

    Fuck Hamas, fuck Israel.

  161. World Jewry no longer needs Israel; they have the United States.
    They’ll all be invited (and will come) to the US, sooner rather than later. I wonder if the rest of us will have to learn Hebrew (might be smart).
    You read it first here.

    • Agree: Annonydog
    • Replies: @meamjojo
    , @Phil Barker
  162. muh muh says:
    @Rich

    I think… I think… I think… I think…

    You can think all you’d like, Rich. Myopic fatalists of your ilk are a dime a dozen.

    Can Israel Survive the Rising Forces of Theocratic Populism?

    The proponents of illiberal democracy in Israel want to turn the Jewish state into a theocracy, and will continue strengthening their political power in the coming years, particularly if, as expected, the percentage of ultra-orthodox in the country increases and the residents of the State of Tel Aviv become a minority.

    Ultra-orthodox Jews, or Haredim, are the fastest-growing demographic group in Israel, already close to 14 percent of the total national population; with their current growth rate of 4 percent, they are expected to constitute 16 percent of the population by the end of the decade, or about a quarter of all Israeli Jews in 2040.

    Young ultra-Orthodox men study religious texts in yeshiva seminaries, which are funded by the government but impart an exceedingly limited formal secular education. These individuals do not learn a core curriculum of math, science, and English. As a result, the majority of the members of the community, with the men (who unlike secular Jews don’t perform the mandatory military service) continuing to study the Torah are not part of the workforce and remain dependent on state funding.

    A report published last year by the Programme for International Student Assessment, commonly known as PISA, last year suggested as the number of Jewish students learning in Yeshivas has been growing, Israel’s ranking for fifteen-year-olds has been steadily falling, with Israel ranking very low in math (32nd) and science (33rd), as the widening gap between Ultra-Orthodox and secular Jewish students continues to expand.

    So while 10 percent of Israel’s workforce is now employed in the tech industry, the world’s highest proportion, many doubt that will last. Indeed, the dazzling high-tech industry is diverting attention from a changing reality in which a segment of Israeli society and economy has all the markings of a third-world culture.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/can-israel-survive-rising-forces-theocratic-populism-206423

    • Replies: @Rich
  163. Rich says:
    @muh muh

    When they can no longer support the zealots, they’ll stop supporting them. When they need them in the military, they’ll draft them. That date is very far off. Wishful thinking isn’t going to destroy Israel. Can you guys really not see what’s happening over there? The Palestinians are being massacred, they’re barely killing any Israeli soldiers and they’ve done nothing but lose ground. Unless all the battlefield reports I’m seeing are propaganda, the Palestinians are already defeated.

    • Agree: meamjojo
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @muh muh
    , @Anonymous 1
  164. muh muh says:
    @Rich

    When they can no longer support the zealots, they’ll stop supporting them. When they need them in the military, they’ll draft them. That date is very far off.

    No, it isn’t.

    ‘There is a knife in our back’: Israeli reservists fume over Haredi Draft Law

    Stretched thin after eight months of a genocidal war in Gaza and a growing conflict with Hezbollah in the north, Israeli reservists are blasting authorities for once again delaying the enlistment of ultra-Orthodox Jews

    Israeli reservists say they feel “betrayed” after lawmakers voted early on 11 June to revive the so-called Haredi Draft Law that has sought, since its introduction in 2022, to enable ultra-Orthodox Jews, for whom “Torah is their craft,” to serve in the Israeli army. […]

    The Knesset’s contentious vote followed a warning by Israeli Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi, who told political leaders on Monday that the army does not have enough battalions to meet its needs. Halevi highlighted that the army lacks nearly 5,000 troops and that this “burden” will fall on the shoulders of the reservists.

    https://thecradle.co/articles/there-is-a-knife-in-our-back-israeli-reservists-fume-over-haredi-draft-law

    If you read a variety of Israeli sources, it’s well known over there that these troops are needed now and that Israel simply doesn’t have the required numbers.

    Unless all the battlefield reports I’m seeing are propaganda

    Cite your source material.

    Here’s a sample of ground reporting from Gaza, witnessed daily:

    Here’s some news from Hizbullah:

    • Replies: @Rich
  165. @Rich

    Weekly Resistance News.

    “Jon Elmer covered the resistance throughout the Gaza Strip, from Rafah to Beit Hanoun, including a look at some of the latest videos from the ground”
    (From 1:43.31 intothe video)

    https://www.youtube.com/live/kK7dqBeohxs?t=6211s

    • Replies: @Rich
  166. meamjojo says:
    @N. Joseph Potts

    Your first lesson: Hebrew reads and writes right to left.

  167. @werpor

    If you accept the analogy in that video, then a world which can be likened to a prison from which is there is practically no escape (possible but almost impossible) is there for what reason in your opinion?

    Is it (1) a kind of dream from which is it is almost impossible to wake up, or is it (2) a made up prison world by puppet masters who are allowing a few escape routes for their creatures which are almost impossible to get to, or (3) neither of these and people who think there is an escape are simply delusional and trapped in spiritual traditions which tells them stories they want to believe?

    If (2) is true, what do the creatures get from the puppet masters upon escape?

    If (1) is true, why was this world dreamt up? Could it be that the world outside the dream is unsatisfactory? Then what is the point of reaching out for that world from which we escaped into this one?

    Maybe those who lead mechanical lives are the ones that one should emulate, because the odds of escaping this world are near zero, and spending a lifetime on an objective that is almost impossible to attain seems self-defeating, especially when the end result is unknown.

    What kind of prison world is this that escape from it is nearly impossible? Sounds like some descriptions of hell in religions.

    • Replies: @werpor
  168. Rich says:
    @Anonymous 1

    Yes, guerrilla fighters are continuing to fight on. That doesn’t mean the Palestinians are winning or gaining territory or inflicting serious damage. Some hostile American Indians fought on for years, with the occasional small victory, too, In the end, they lost. In the end, Palestine will lose. They’ve already lost.

  169. Rich says:
    @muh muh

    Do you really need sources? Didn’t the Israelis already take the North and haven’t they already moved to Rafah where they’ve crossed Biden’s red line and are assaulting the city? I’m not sure what your trying to propose. Do you really think resistance means victory? They Palestinians have some brave fighters who struggle on, but they’ve lost 40,000 people from what I’ve read. How long can they sustain losses that high? Isn’t that why so many are talking about a genocide?

  170. Sarita says:
    @Rich

    You’re looking at the tiny picture, if you zoom out you will see the meaning of what “defeat” means; most of the world -except the politicians with specific interests- now see the real picture of what Israel and the US really are.
    Now Zoom in a bit and you got two billion angry Muslims about to destroy their corrupt rulers.

    All those years Israel spent doing hasbara are gone.
    Because of Gaza, the Russians now have found more excuses to continue their war and we are closer to a nuclear war.
    Hell, Trump might even win and make things worse!

    One more attack on Iran and it’s proxies -or the resistance axis- and they will go full nuclear.

    So don’t be too sure of your conclusions because this seems to be only the beginning.

    Defeat? The fist half isn’t even over yet.

    Look at the big picture not only at tiny Gaza.

    • Replies: @Rich
  171. @Rich

    You appear to be a propagandist rather than one who surveys the matter impartially. With the might of the USA, incl “persuading” Arab States not to intervene, the idf, good for killing unarmed civilians preferably from a distance, is losing.
    This isn’t just my opinion., like you give your unreferenced opinion.

    — 🇮🇱 Commander of Israel’s 769th ‘Hiram’ Brigade in Kiryat Shmona:

    ‘We have lost control of the North, we have completely lost the initiative. Hezbollah is the one who determines the battle. They strike where they want to, and when they want to. Netanyahu must act NOW.’

    Netenyahu has been threatening to dislodge Hezbullah at least as far as the Litani River for some time now. Do you believe he will do it ?
    Reports today from Hezbullah jfyi.

    — 🇱🇧/🇮🇱 Hezbollah Source to Al Jazeera:

    ‘We launched a simultaneous attack on 15 IDF bases throughout the Galilee and the occupied Golan Heighs.

    We targeted the sites with 30 explosive-laden drones, and 150 rockets.

    It is our most comprehensive attack so far, and was carried out as a response to the assassination of martyr Talib Abdullah.’
    — 🇱🇧 Hezbollah announces its largest attack since October 7th:

    ‘The Islamic Resistance launched a joint attack with missiles and drones, targeting with Katyusha and Al-Falaq missiles:

    – 🇮🇱 Al-Zaoura barracks
    – 🇮🇱 Kaila barracks
    – 🇮🇱 Yoav barracks
    – 🇮🇱 Katsavia military base
    – 🇮🇱 Nafah military base
    – 🇮🇱 Sahel Battalion base

    Simultaneously, with several waves of explosive drones, we targeted:

    – 🇮🇱 David Base, the Headquarters of the IDF’s Northern Region Command
    – 🇮🇱 Mishar Base, Headquarters of IDF Intelligence in the Northern Region
    – 🇮🇱 Katsavia Barracks, the Headquarters of the 7th Regular Armored Brigade of the 210th Golan Division

    There are reports of Iraqi/Houthi attacks on Haifa also.
    Additionally Hamas continue to respond to idf.

    • Agree: Corrupt
    • Thanks: muh muh
    • Replies: @Rich
  172. werpor says:
    @Unbornawakened

    It is common that intellectuals seek to persuade. They compare notes, they debate endlessly. They seek to define consciousness. They seek to turn base metals into gold. They fail to understand that they themselves are the retort. They have neglected to include their own organism — all of it — so devote their lives pouring from the empty into the void.

    Most certainly the utility of the brain cannot be denied.

    The emotional type tends to be dissatisfied with the way they find the world outside. They would change it and seek to do so — often attaching themselves to unrealistic and unrealizable aims which they are ill equipped to take on. These types are often disappointed with the world — after they discover that the world continues the way it is, the only way it can be — even after a lifetime of trying to bend the will of the world which will not and cannot be bent.

    Most certainly emotions cannot be denied. There is most definitely a force within which is emotional. Most of the time the emotions have us.

    The man or woman whose centre of gravity is in the body wants to get things done — now. Thinking and feelings are not for them. Yet their impatience can easily lead to disgust with the intellectuals caution that planning is important. The same impatience finds themselves at odds with the emotional indecisiveness of that type.

    Most certainly the man or woman whose centre of gravity is in their “moving centre” is attracted to others of the type. Sports of course is an example where similarly centred men and women can be found. And of note the military and fighting attract people similarly disposed.

    People are not all one type. We are a mixed bag. Friction among our fellow travellers is inevitable — and reconciliation may be passive or aggressive or unresolved. Sometimes we hear someone saying — usually defensively — “that is who I am” or “why should I change?”

    They are stuck. In the video this is represented by the boy stuck in the circle. The boy does not initiate his escape. He is dependent on an accident. And does not recognize the source of his release. He runs off into the distance — unable to value his new freedom. No doubt he is worse off!

    Gurdjieff presents us with a cosmogony not excluding the tragedy of our situation. People often find themselves unable to face the proposition that the only thing one can change is oneself. It seems selfish to the easily discouraged. Though paradoxically one can be effective in the world after coming to understand the situation.

    Most certainly a man or woman with an inner centre of gravity where one centre does not predominate and where the energies of the different centres are harmonized under the will of our higher mind is far more effective than those without higher mind. Remember — the brain is not the mind. I am not my brain.

    Most men and most women are like children imagining they are grown up. By the time they reach physical maturity our children have spent years mimicking the people they encounter. They are given to prove they will be transformed by education and even more by success. They desire to be unique and thought special. Though they may never be content. In fact they denigrate something they have never experienced. Content in the ordinary sense may seem passive and acquiescent. And for some this is no doubt true.

    But a man or woman with a centre of gravity is not passive. In fact he or she is active. Consciously listening, consciously aware of unnecessary muscular tension, consciously poised. Indeed consciously processing impressions while giving them the appropriate weight. In fact these are qualities of a disciplined mind. Not for him or her “whatever!”

    Meditation whether sitting practice or moving practice is accompanied often by almost overwhelming feelings of joy in the moment. Diligent practitioners report, i.e. evidence of things realized — how over time these feelings of joyful participation become more permanent and deeply consistent.

    Strangely these people attract others something like a magnet attracts — their vibrations are positive.

    They ask questions, forego opinions consciously — yet may provoke intentionally. Not with argument presenting the opposite point of view — which is common to most discussions — but with a question.

    Finally; waking up is not something one can preconceive. Preconceptions are ropes — or as in the video — presented like being in a prison. Most people do not want to escape from prison. Many whose time is up, upon release, re-offend purposely. Why?

    My father was a prisoner of war in a “camp” outside Munich. He attempted to escape on a number of occasions — finally successfully. I asked him why most people didn’t try to escape.

    His answer “…for them the war was over.” Then he added, “…every day was predictable. In some ways they may as well have been dead.”

    He did not of course mean literally. He meant to have me reconsider the obvious assumptions.

    He had an aim — escape! Which is not the opposite of passive acceptance. He did not mean run away.

    He meant run toward!

    When one goes into the water one emerges in fire. When one goes into fire one emerges in water.

  173. Rich says:
    @Sarita

    All three major presidential candidates in the US have pledged undying support for Israel. 95% of the US Congress supports endless cash and arms to Israel. Most European governments have pledged full support and no Moslem country has mobilized troops or provided meaningful support to the Palestinians. I’m sorry, it is tragic that the Palestinian people have to suffer from this war, but the big picture doesn’t really favor them. I don’t see it.

    • Agree: meamjojo
    • Replies: @HdC
    , @Hulkamania
  174. muh muh says:

    Do you really need sources?

    Well, it would certainly help to understand how you arrive at your conclusions.

    Didn’t the Israelis already take the North

    To ‘take the north’ implies they’ve established control there. The only ones who have said this are Israelis themselves or those relying on them, so it appears you’re implicitly trusting Israeli propaganda. The fact that Hamas still engages Israel in the north pretty much puts paid to that nonsense.

    haven’t they already moved to Rafah where they’ve crossed Biden’s red line and are assaulting the city?

    And?

    This merely suggests that armed conflict continues there, not that it’s abated in any way.

    Do you really think resistance means victory?

    Do you really think your variety of fatalism would work better?

    With an opponent as intransigently avaricious and bellicose as Israel, resistance is the only path forward. I wish you could see some of the footage I’ve witnessed, of women sweeping rubble from bombed out apartments, baking cake with what little flour they have; of men laying bricks to rebuild homes in the midst of bombing; of merchants returning to otherwise uninhabitable areas to continue selling goods; of children laughing, playing and dancing in spite of it all.

    We could stand to learn a lot from this kind of resilience — which is, of itself, a beautiful kind of resistance — but instead, mainstream sources often dehumanize Palestinians, rendering them mere casualty statistics.

    What we should be asking is ‘Without resistance, what hope of victory does anyone have?’

    FWIW, Avigdor Lieberman, Israel’s former minister of defense, avers that his country is in ‘existential danger’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
  175. Rich says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    It’s horrible that unarmed civilians are killed and Israel should agree to a ceasefire, negotiate a release of the remaining hostages and withdraw. I agree with all that. But Israel is winning, has won, just by the numbers of dead and territory captured. Is that propaganda? Hezbollah is a different story, they are much better armed and can defend their territory better than the Palestinians. I don’t think Israel will take a chance and invade. There will be bombings traded back and forth, but no Israeli invasion. There also won’t be a Hezbollah invasion of Israel or major support for their coreligionists in Gaza.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  176. @Rich

    Keep posting your “Isreali Intelligence” (Lies, Deception and Total Bollocks) Hasbara propaganda.

    What Gantz’s exit reveals about Israel’s failed Gaza strategy.

    October 7 collapsed Israel’s decades-old ‘separation policy’ toward Gaza. Gantz and Gallant know it; Netanyahu and the far right still won’t admit it.

    One of Hamas’s stated reasons for the October 7 attack was to shatter the illusion that Gaza is a separate entity, and to return the Strip and the entire Palestinian cause back to history. In this, it has undoubtedly succeeded….

    https://www.972mag.com/gantz-israeli-government-gaza-separation/

    • Replies: @Rich
  177. werpor says:

    Tragically Jews were better off without a homeland. I recall a story told at camp around the campfire at night. The story called the Monkey’s Paw centres on a couple with a son who works in a lumber mill.

    On evening the couple answer their door and admit a stranger inside the warmth of their house.

    During the evening the stranger presses a shrunken and desiccated monkeys paw on them. He tells them the paw will grant three wishes. Of course they wish. The moral of the story is, be careful what you wish for. The curious minded can no doubt find the entire story by searching.

    The Zionist/Jews had a wish for a Jewish homeland. Not all Jews were in favour. The smarter Jews understood something about wishes not always working out favourably. But Jews are no different than the majority of men and women. We always want more — assuming more is better. Rather than cultivating ones own garden and improving it with diligence and hard work we tend to look over the fence and as often as not mistakenly believe we would be happy if we had their garden instead of or in addition to the one they already have.

    Jews successfully intrigued behind the scenes. They had money and after 1913 controlled the creation of money and controlled its distribution. They controlled Wall Street. They soon after controlled American policy. Policy including making war against other nations. Policy including taxes and tax preferences for powerful interests. Their policies set man against man.

    This was not enough! Jews wanted their own homeland. Now they are in an unfamiliar situation.

    Subversive behaviour only works when, as a minority, the subversives can operate behind the scenes — pretty much clandestinely while secretly bending the larger communities will in a direction advantageous to their minority. This includes gradually promulgating beliefs antithetical to the mainstream set of beliefs.

    This in the case of Zionist/Jews was and is an ongoing project resulting in the United States as a coup.

    The Jewish way … Intensively promoting all manner of temptations, encouraging Jingoism, encouraging minority rights, consolidating the nations productive industrial capacities under their monopolized corporate control — done of course by intent. Selective lending and clever entrapment of non-Jewish borrowers. Lend to a corporate entity, manipulate the stock at Wall Street, then call the loans. Next suggest a merger to bail out the near bankrupt competitor. This Ponzi scheme requires war bringing new assets under Zionist/Jewish control.

    But all the while the Zionist/Jewish endeavours in Palestine required the Zionist/Jews to come out.

    Working behind the scenes, bribing, blackmailing, stealing, murdering — Jews could ply their nefarious and maleficent mischief more or less unseen. They used their time tested posturing, tricks, and lies to deceive the Goyim. But in their Israel they had to enter the footlights on the world stage.

    So Zionist/Jews got their wish. Their age old practices are biting them in the ass. They are revealed in the spotlight of world opinion. And of course world opinion is opposed to the Jewish program to exterminate the Palestinians.

    The world is putting themselves in the Palestinians place. Something Jews generally, seem incapable of emulating.

    Be careful of what you wish for!

  178. @muh muh

    Below is a prime example of the IOF in action and this is considered as winning!

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  179. @Rich

    It’s horrible that unarmed civilians are killed and Israel should agree to a ceasefire, negotiate a release of the remaining hostages and withdraw. I agree with all that

    How can you “agree” when my post mentioned none of those things, Rich ?

    In reply to my/others facts on the ground you yet again come up with multiple opinions about Israel’s present/future victories. Based on your own wishful thinking and devoid of any supporting evidence.
    Are you a member of the US “government” ?
    You appear well-qualified to be so.

    There also won’t be a Hezbollah invasion of Israel or major support for their coreligionists in Gaza.

    Another Crystal-ball prediction followed by a remark so inane it could only have come from an American “government” official.
    In your opinion, Rich, is the present Hezbullah campaign going on because they were all bored, maybe tired of playing football, or could it be “A major support for their coreligionists in Gaza” ? Do you believe, you loosebrain moron, that they will get tired of it, pack up and go home ? Maybe followed by Houthi, Hamas, Iraqis ? Perhaps also the legislators in ICC/ICJ ? Maybe the world will just forget all the atrocities, reinstate trade etc with Israel ?

    Maybe we’ll all be singing Hava Nagila? Including all the widows, orphans, bereaved, wounded, displaced etc ?
    You really are deluded, Rich. Goodbye.

    • Replies: @Rich
  180. Sarita says:

    @rich
    You wrote above that native Americans fought and fought and that their resistance was defeated …
    but you forget that there was Resistance against the British by the newborn Americans and that the resistance won and America was, in a way, freed.
    Resistance is good otherwise the powers that be will turn us into slaves.
    More than we already are.
    Palestinians are resisting and they will now get more rights (even a state) from the occupier because the occupier will try to avoid at all costs another October 7.

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
  181. HdC says:
    @Rich

    I am not a friend of economists or bankers; however, one must appreciate the admonition that “Things/actions that cannot continue will stop.”

    The timeline of course is uncertain. So it is with the colossal USA mismanagement of its currency which, in due course will stop.

    What happens then is anyone’s guess. From my parents narrative those who could grow food and repair or build stuff did very well with the barter system.

  182. anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @meamjojo

    The brutal Oct. 7 murders and the extermination of entire communities in southern Israel left Israelis feeling shocked, vulnerable and insecure. The attacks reminded Israelis that the country faces existential threats, which they believe need to be eliminated in any way possible.

    The story of Masada is still taught and remembered in Israel as a constant reminder that Jewish people cannot ever fully rely on the mercy or help of other countries – and that Jewish identity and independence are always at risk of persecution. For a long time, the Israeli Defense Forces held induction ceremonies atop Masada, which is also a popular tourism site.

    As a ceremonial text used during the Jewish holiday of Passover says, “Each and every generation they rise up against us to destroy us.”

    https://theconversation.com/most-israelis-dislike-netanyahu-but-support-the-war-in-gaza-an-israeli-scholar-explains-whats-driving-public-opinion-230046

    These stupid sheep ,rather than listening to ” , “Each and every generation they rise up against us to destroy us.” the self -crafted craps by the bastard,thugs,entitled,slackers feeding off other .ask what Israel has been conitinously doing to Palestinians ,to Syria ,has dome to Iraq ,to Iran under Shah,and to other nations .

    @81 stupid to pin blame on paid actor. They are not putting kids at harms way. Israel is doing.

    @ 95 — hey moron, nobody is defending Egypt no one from Germany,UK,France ,Canada,Australia to US with billions in extra, with advisors,with 50 cabinet ranking visits in 8 months ,with UN veto, with sending military advisors . No one. Get that into your shitfilled head . Like the book Exodus was commisoned ,so was Satanic Verse by Zio.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  183. @mulga mumblebrain

    Definitely both…
    👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  184. Rich says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    I agree with those who want an end to the war and a release of the hostages. I thought I was pretty clear, but I hope that clears it up for you. I am not a member of the US government, I was their property in my late teens, early 20s when I enlisted in the US Army, though.

    Hezbollah doesn’t have the ability to invade Israel or stop the Israelis from defeating Hamas. They don’t have serious offensive capability, but they are well dug in and are capable of holding on to their corner of Lebanon. Probably. But they aren’t capable of preventing the Israelis from bombing their territory or assassinating their leaders. They aren’t a serious threat.

    I’ll remember you MacBride, in a few to six months when this thing wraps up and I’ll call you out on who was “deluded”.

    • Agree: meamjojo
  185. Rich says:
    @Anonymous 1

    I’m not on the ground in Gaza, so it’s possible I’m being lied to about Israeli progress, but everything I read shows the Israelis advancing on Rafah after decimating the North. Public opinion doesn’t defeat facts on the ground. Maybe tomorrow we’ll find out the Palestinians are actually besieging Tel Aviv and have retaken Jerusalem. If so, I’ll admit it, but I don’t see it happening.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  186. Sarita says:

    @Rich
    “Maybe tomorrow we’ll find out the Palestinians are actually besieging Tel Aviv and have retaken Jerusalem

    It will not be Palestinians who will retake Jerusalem, it will be the Muslims who are, as I clarified above, two billion.
    They will look for Jews under the rocks and their army will have so many warriors, the grass they step on will never grow again.
    Even the trees will speak and yell “there is a Jew hiding behind me”.
    I don’t know if this happens before or after Jesus Christ comes back.
    HE ain’t turning the other check this time and knows who hanged him 2000 years ago, it was the white man paid by the Jews, the same two who are slaughtering kids in Gaza.
    Jerusalem, where they hanged him, (the white man (Trump) and the Jews) is the capital where their cemetery will lay.
    Go fuck yourselve 😂

  187. muh muh says:
    @Rich

    iI’ll remember you MacBride, in a few to six months when this thing wraps up and I’ll call you out on who was “deluded”.

    And we’ll remember you as well, Rich.

    Thus far, your own perspective is based upon faulty information about Israeli control of Gaza, inaccurate knowledge concerning its need for replacement troops, and a metric of casualty rates that any serious analyst would not correlate directly with either military or political success. Four major defections from Israel’s war cabinet in the last week alone occurred as a consequence of Netanyahu’s failure to establish an end game for Gaza. If you think that means nothing, you’re clearly not paying attention.

    By the by, did we mention what’s happening to all that foreign investment money Israel used to enjoy?

    Intel halts construction of multibillion chip plant in Israel

    Foreign investment in Israel took a nosedive from $29 billion in 2021 to $5 billion in 2024

    The US-based chip giant Intel Corp is halting a $25 billion chip manufacturing project in Israel, Calcalist reported on 10 June.

    The Israeli news agency writes that Intel’s decision to stop the building of the multibillion-dollar factory after “Intel’s suppliers received in recent days notice of the cancellation of contracts for the supply of equipment and materials required for the establishment of the company’s new factory.” […]

    Chief of Israel’s central bank, Amir Yaron, said in May that Israel’s current war costs $70 billion of the Israeli 2025 budget.

    “There is no doubt that more expenses will be needed since the economy needs security, and security needs the economy. However, it is important to emphasize – you cannot give an open check on the issue of security spending, you must find the right balance between things,” Yaron said.

    Foreign investment by way of defense contracts has been slashed due to Israel’s actions in Gaza.

    Earlier this year, Samsung Next decided to close its operations in Israel and focus on other projects abroad. The innovation branch of Samsung has over 70 investments in Israel.

    In February, The Japanese Itochu corporation’s aviation unit cut strategic contracts signed with Israel’s Elbit Systems Ltd.

    Also in February, Belgium’s Walloon Region suspended two ammunition export licenses to Israel following pressure from rights groups. Later that same month, The Netherlands decided to halt deliveries of F-35 fighter jet parts to Israel, citing the same reasons.

    https://thecradle.co/articles/intel-halts-construction-of-multibillion-chip-plant-in-israel

    No, this is not a matter that can be solved simply by sending Israel more weapons. (We don’t send other assistance anymore.) You want to talk about how Israel’s work force is stretched thin? How many of its industries are on life support? How expensive it’s become for them to import foreign workers to replace the Palestinians they’ve now banned from construction sites?

    You think they’re going to recoup their losses any time soon?

    Dream on. Demography is destiny. They’re set up to collapse.

    You don’t strike me as someone who regularly reads Israeli news sources, so I should probably cut you some slack here, but at least stop pretending like you know what’s going to happen over there when you can’t even get the most basic facts straight.

    • Disagree: Rich
    • Replies: @muh muh
  188. muh muh says:
    @Mactoul

    Whose rule of thumb?

    That of the majority of nations governing international affairs.

    [lame tu quoque ignored]

  189. muh muh says:
    @muh muh

    • Disagree: Rich

    LOL

    • LOL: Rich
  190. @N. Joseph Potts

    In case anyone doubts how Jewish America really is:

    So popular was the Hebrew Language in the late 16th and early 17th centuries that several students at Yale delivered their commencement orations in Hebrew. Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Brown, Princeton, Johns Hopkins, and the University of Pennsylvania taught courses in Hebrew ― all the more remarkable because no university in England at the time offered it. (In America, Bible study and Hebrew were course requirements in virtually all these colleges and students had the option of delivering commencement speeches in either Hebrew, Latin or Greek.)(2)

    Many of the population, including a significant number of the Founding Fathers of America, were products of these American Universities ― for example, Thomas Jefferson attended William and Mary, James Madison Princeton, Alexander Hamilton King’s College (i.e. Columbia). Thus, we can be sure that a majority of these political leaders were not only well acquainted with the contents of both the New and Old Testaments, but also had some working knowledge of Hebrew.

    Notes Abraham Katsch in The Biblical Heritage of American Democracy (p. 70):

    “At the time of the American Revolution, the interest in the knowledge of Hebrew was so widespread as to allow the circulation of the story that ‘certain members of Congress proposed that the use of English be formally prohibited in the United States, and Hebrew substituted for it.’”

    Source: https://aish.com/48955806/

    • Thanks: meamjojo
    • Replies: @anon
  191. muh muh says:

    Well, that’s what I get for arguing with a know-it-all, folks.

    Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

    I’m wondering how Israel can claim to have ‘taken’ anything in Gaza but a swift kick in the ass when I see news like this:

    Is anyone here actually gullible enough to believe a word of Israeli propaganda anymore?

    I mean, besides Rich and dodo?

    • LOL: meamjojo
  192. @Mactoul

    Who ‘wants peace’? “Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.”?
    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
  193. @werpor

    Is putting an end to one’s life not a solution? Not committing suicide, because that is very difficult. But simply killing each other quickly and painlessly to end human life, at least for those lucky enough to be killed, if not the human race. A malfunctioning machine such as the human should simply stop reproducing more copies, but ignorance of malfunction does not permit it.

    Religious or spiritual teachers seem to think it is not a solution, for some reason. Even Buddhists who do not believe in an individual soul that survives death. I fail to understand why a malfunctioning machine must continue to function in that state.or be fixed if the fix is almost impossible. Better to break it.

    Or is it a machine in which something else is trapped which is not a machine, and once liberated from the machine will seek another machine to inhabit, because the machine is all it knows of itself?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @werpor
  194. @werpor

    Finally; waking up is not something one can preconceive. Preconceptions are ropes — or as in the video — presented like being in a prison. Most people do not want to escape from prison.

    Who is in prison who needs to escape?

    If that who is just a process in the body/brain, it is going to end anyhow with the death of the organism. Trying to fix something that is ephemeral seems kind of pointless. In this case ignorance is bliss. Go on mechanically, enjoy and suffer, without adding more worries and problems on top of those you have to try to fix something broken that is pretty much impossible to fix.

    P.S. When I shared the video with YJ, it is because he believes our creators who are flesh alien beings engineered by mixing the genes of chimps with their own, and after they had no more use for us, left us to our own devices. He likens this earth to a prison and the prison guards are Jews. We are not the products of natural evolution, so we do not function naturally like chimps, and we cannot function like our creators because we are defective compared to them. Their superior genes have been polluted. The machine is not supposed to function optimally, only to serve as s lave. Flawed by design. Your creators don’t want you to function like they do. Pointless to try.

  195. anon[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Phil Barker

    The story that some members of the American Congress proposed replacing English with Hebrew around the time of the American Revolution is not supported by historical evidence. This tale appears to be more myth than fact. The notion reflects a broader context where multiple languages, including Hebrew, German, and even French, were considered for various purposes, but no serious legislative action was taken to replace English with Hebrew.

    In the years following the Revolution, there was significant discussion about language in America, reflecting the diverse linguistic background of the population. For instance, there was a more documented but similarly exaggerated myth about German almost becoming the official language of the United States due to a close vote in Congress. This is known as the “Muhlenberg Legend,” which suggests that German was one vote away from becoming the official language, a story that has also been debunked as an overstatement of the actual events​ .

    Thus, while there were certainly discussions and some advocacy around the use of different languages, the specific claim about Hebrew being proposed as a replacement for English lacks credible historical support.

    • Agree: muh muh
    • Replies: @muh muh
    , @Phil Barker
  196. muh muh says:
    @anon

    Thus, while there were certainly discussions and some advocacy around the use of different languages, the specific claim about Hebrew being proposed as a replacement for English lacks credible historical support.

    Thomas Jefferson had a copy of George Sale’s translation of The Qur’an. Unlike his Bible, which he spent considerable time editing, it remained devoid of any personal annotation or textual criticism. It’s as absurd to infer from this that he was a secret Muslim as it is to imply that the occasional study and casual references to biblical Hebrew indicated widespread Judeophilia among the nation’s founders. A number of them indulged in the study of antiquity, which would explain their acquisition of some Hebrew. The author surely exaggerates.

    In any event, it would be foolish to place any trust in content from a website as demonstrably Zionist as ‘aish’.

  197. @cousin lucky

    Israel the USA and NATO Have Been Infiltrated by ((( AshkeNazi devils ))) who are Pushing Their Proxy Wars Against Russia, China & Iran (BRICS)

    These ((( AshkeNazi devils ))) are related to “Japheth & Edom”, that the Bible refers to as False Jews ( in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9 ).

    Some of the names of these modern ((( AshkeNazi devils ))) are: Blinken, Mayorkas, Netanyahu, Soros, Rothschild, and most of the Joe Biden Administration.

    These ((( AshkeNazi devils ))) are the same people who orchestrated the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia (1917), and the Nazi-Zionist movement (1930’s and 1940’s). 
 ((( AshkeNazi = True Nazis )))

    Learn About Our True History at: unz.com & rense.com

    • Agree: werpor
  198. @James Charles

    “Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.”

    They can keep pushing the above as much as they like but it is just more “Israeli Intelligence” (Lies, Deception and Total Bollocks)

    They lie and deceive about everything including the below. The Truth however always trumps Falsehood,) in this case “Isreali Intelligence”

    • Replies: @John Trout
  199. @anon

    You can tell it’s a myth from the context:

    “At the time of the American Revolution, the interest in the knowledge of Hebrew was so widespread as to allow the circulation of the story that ‘certain members of Congress proposed that the use of English be formally prohibited in the United States, and Hebrew substituted for it.’”

    It was kind of joke post, but I know humor is not always easy to detect in comments.

    But John Adams was something like a proto-Christian Zionist, no joke.

  200. @Unbornawakened

    It’s already in progress-forced mass suicide, the global Jonestown. In the last 250 or so years, through capitalist neoplastic expansion and industrialisation, the human species has caused the greatest ecological disturbance in all planetary history. Chaos is NOT your friend.
    Anthropogenic climate destabilisation is rapidly worsening, once again ‘..beyond our most pessimistic expectations’, the usual IPCC et al consternation. Odd that, with a buffoon like moi having reached the understanding that it was too late in 2000 or thereabouts, simply from observing certain rapid changes like the loss of Arctic summer sea ice.
    Granted, I have a very low opinion of much of humankind, and have expected self-destruction since ‘the greenhouse effect’ was mentioned in high school science. Nothing I have seen of humanity, particularly its ‘Western’ manifestation and my own moronic, benighted, country, Austfailia, in particular, since has done other than confirm my foreboding, now a settled certainty.

  201. @anon

    Bernard Lazare, a French Jewish intellectual, opponent of Judeophobia and early defender of Dreyfus, observed, late in the 19th century, that the Jews had been disliked in virtually all places that they lived despite differences of history, race, religion, geography, social customs etc among the host societies. He surmised that at least some of the blame must lie with ‘Israel’ ie the Jews.
    Naturally, someone saying that, today, in the West, would be slandered and vilified as a ‘Jew-hater’, might lose their job and job prospects, be beaten by pigs trained in Israel, or even incarcerated. As we all know, ALL Jews, everywhere and throughout history, are and were saints and scholars, incapable of doing ill, even by accident. We are SO lucky to have them ruling over us!

    • Thanks: The Old Philosopher
    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Rich
  202. @Rich

    All three major presidential candidates in the US have pledged undying support for Israel.

    Americans can pledge whatever they want, but they have no say in the outcome of the war, just as they have no say in who has access to the Red Sea. Unless they are going to stage a regional ground war, like Trump wants, then pledges don’t mean anything. If they do stage a ground war, then they will be chewed up and they will lose, like they have lost every other war they have waged for the past 70 years.

    • Agree: John Trout
    • Thanks: Anonymous 1
    • Replies: @Rich
  203. skrik says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    G’day. [OT for here, but no other active thread suits]; did you see this one:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-15/pentagon-ran-secret-anti-vax-campaign-to-undermine-china-during-/103982430

    [original:]
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/

    This criminal zusa psyop may well have lead to *many* deaths .. rgds

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  204. @Chris Moore

    I don’t believe the main problem the Jews have had in the West is due to the execution of Jesus. I’m sure there are some resentful people on this subject, but it’s really about what Alexandre Solzhenitsyn talked about in his 200 years together. It makes no sense that people would be resenting a religious group for 2000 years, because WITHOUT THE DEATH OF JESUS ON THE CROSS, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO CHRISTIANITY.

    What the Jewish populations suffered over 2000 was due mainly to the relationship they had with the European Nobility classes; who used Jews to fund their wars and colonialism. They also used Jews as the TAXMAN against the masses, who were too ignorant to understand it was their very own King who was behind this. The Jewish population also isolated and in Russia had their own governments (as one Christian convert in Russia let the cat out of the bag on this – I can’t remember his name but it was Russianized form of Joseph – he’s mentioned in the book).

    Also, the masses, and Russia is a good example, would get cheated by the Jews because the Jews own most the Distilleries and other means for the poor Russian peasant to get into debt.

    The Jews were allowed to get away with preying on the dumb peasant classes (serfs, peasants, etc) because the Nobility was benefiting from the Jewish banking and mercantile classes. At least for awhile. At some point throughout Europe the masses would start revolting and the Nobility would be forced to expel the Jew – only to bring him back later.

    It really had NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM KILLING JESUS – If it did The West would have issues with the Italians as well. Without the crucifixion of Jesus, there is no Christianity.

  205. Rich says:
    @Hulkamania

    Do you really believe that? Victory doesn’t mean everyone is killed and the earth is salted. The ruling class in America is the wealthiest it’s ever been. They have no restrictions on whatever degeneracy they wish to pursue, they are wealthier and more powerful than the old European aristocracy they replaced. Wishful thinking doesn’t accomplish anything.

    • Replies: @anon
  206. Rich says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    They rule over you because you’re a weak, bitter little dimwit. Are you even capable of earning a living or does a relative pay your bills? Maybe Uncle Sam? You’re a joke, mulga, “Bernard Lazare said…”, what a twit…

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  207. Sarita says:

    Oh shit!
    Hide little kids, hide! The Jews just got their asses kicked and in revenge the god damned sado- masoquists will be coming for you!!

    Haaretz

    Eight soldiers killed in combat in southern Gaza, IDF announces

    Yippi!
    Gloat gloat gloat!
    😂😂😂😂

    • Replies: @Anonymous 1
  208. @Sarita

    This clever Zionist Jew got his ass kicked as he used his superior IQ to make a point!

    😭😭😭😭😭

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xI6W2QCIdnk?feature=share

    • LOL: Sarita
  209. Sarita says:

    Update:
    The eight fuckers that got smoked today died of burn wounds; the tank that pedophile Joe Biden sent them exploded by an RPG!
    That’s karma for the 654 kids they burned alive in nuseirat very recently!

    Have another ice cream, old fart!
    😂😂😂😂

    • Thanks: John Trout
  210. NYT’s fatuous effort to preserve Black-Jewish coalition sweeps genocide under the rug
    Children of two civil rights leaders mourn the “erosion of the Black-Jewish alliance” in U.S. politics, but their real fear is that progressives are abandoning Joe Biden over his blank check for Israeli war crimes.
    BY PHILIP WEISS

    The Democratic Party is facing a huge problem, and the New York Times is trying to patch it up. Young people and people of color are walking away from Joe Biden over his blank check for Israeli war crimes, just when the party needs them to defeat Trump and “save democracy.”

    The latest effort in the Times is an Op-Ed, “Our Fathers Marched With King. Here’s What They Would Say to Activists Today.” Authors Donzaleigh Abernathy and Avi Dresner mourn the “erosion of the Black-Jewish alliance” and urge pro-Palestine activists to find “common ground” with Zionists.

    The advice is fatuous because it makes only glancing reference to Israeli war crimes while directing its criticism at protesters: Martin Luther King Jr. was a Zionist, and the protests are antisemitic…..

    https://mondoweiss.net/2024/06/nyts-fatuous-effort-to-preserve-black-jewish-coalition-sweeps-genocide-under-the-rug/

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  211. anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Yearning to live few years more at any cost is the hallmark defining this class. This self-interest prevents them from taking any chances of physical disintegration. When this nation’s street wakes up and revolts ( may be thats why anti polemic against the countries that are not its vassals and not its master ) enabled by developments outside US,this class will look for an exit ramp. That ramp will take them to hell.

  212. werpor says:
    @Unbornawakened

    Unfortunately for the majority of people they live their lives not knowing that there is a possibility of obtaining a presence not at all observable to those without it. It cannot be grasped unless there is, a-priori experience, which shocks a person out of their conventional unreflective day-to day-lives. What that shock is can only be personal. It is most certainly not intellectual. It is most certainly emotional — but different in every way than being stimulated by a predictively ordinary experience.

    It is like a sudden moment when one realizes an eternal truth — it is not intellectual. It is, for most people who experience such a thing, such an emotional shock they are repelled by it, and so seek refuge in the ordinary pursuits which suit their inclinations. Though for some the emotional shock cannot be easily tethered. If they dare explain it words are inadequate. Friends may even be repelled.

    But if one is fortunate, his or her fate, may include an encounter with someone for whom the experience is very real and could guide the emotionally shocked individual forward.

    Admittedly there is a plethora of people —so called guru’s or teachers whom are quite capable of doing more harm than otherwise. These people have no real verifiable proof that they are genuine. Genuine teachers and teachings ask for nothing not obviously necessary. Most certainly not large sums of money. A small group of sincere seekers are usually asked for a monthly split of costs. Obvious ones. Somewhere to meet, costs something. Food costs something. Nothing is free. Everything costs. The biggest price is giving up one’s illusions. This sort of work is for ordinary people and is not for any one whom is not already making a contribution in ordinary life.

    This work is not remedial. It won’t make you happy, rich, or famous. It is work — often intense — but entirely practical. It is something verifiable. Ideally — if using this word is understood simply — one gradually realizes ones own individuality. In fact such groups are unlikely to have people’s with similar personalities at all. Though personality may be an impediment if it is false.

    Another difficulty is simply that intellectuals are often people with a weak centre of gravity. They want to convince others that they know something — they are often deeply knowledgeable about that something, no question, but a cup already filled to overflowing has no room for knowledge or feelings which do not already fit. They are buried alive. Nothing they have obtained by mirroring the received, all of which is not their own, and obtained from their own experience, can make the journey through death.

    The only substance which can survive death is something obtained by one’s own conscious initiative. Even if one encounters real help, change of essence requires a long process. How can it be otherwise?

    Nothing is free! By far the majority of souls when they die, are more or less unchanged by having lived. Souls don’t die. The body dies but the soul can only remain on the level it did or did not obtain by real conscious effort. Each life is a timeless loop. Rebirth is merely recurrence. One lives the same life much as before — the life is the same life — death is an illusion.

    Most certainly the soul changes. It either evolves or it devolves. It cannot remain the same. In most instances the substance of things looks the same — the differences are far too subtle to be noticed by the reborn child. How can it be otherwise?

    Except that while it might be said nothing changes in each recurrence, but of course that too is absurd.

    Everything does change but it is not noticeable. Everything seems so familiar the newborn slips into a routine it knows so well. One tragedy which obtains is the certainty one is always right! Fair enough one *is* always right. The soul may insist it knows something which having lived again and again cannot be denied. Letting go of being right is not only superficial. Obviously the recurring soul has been there before.

    Unless one has a peek behind the curtain of inevitability. This peek, so-to-say does not necessarily recur each time you recur. How could it if one accepts change is constant. Everything changes all the time in time. Except the newly incarnated soul does not notice. A soul may have a thousand incarnations or a million incarnations … each time though everything seems so familiar to the last incarnation. If the soul jumped somehow say twenty incarnations the soul might notice. How could it be otherwise? But souls do not jump twenty incarnations. That some people do notice is a mystery.

    It occurs inevitably that given that everything does change, a reincarnated soul may notice, shall we say, something odd. A momentary glimpse of something odd — along the line of a souls timeless journey, incarnation after incarnation recurrence after recurrence may indeed prod the soul to recognize something out of place. Nothing is ever in place but does the soul notice the subtle differences between this time and the other time or other times? Except occasionally something the jarring is cognized.

    There is no such thing as time as we understand it. Indeed everything is material. Yet for some reason this materiality is not an inert unchanging solid. How can it be otherwise? Or else we could not live. We are a minuscule part of something beyond ordinary perception. There is of course duration but not time as we conceive it. But the same possibilities for a souls possible evolution are rare. Death seems final. But nothing dies. It is transformed each time the physical body dies but one might as well be dead. The universe, or God if you will, does not require souls to wake up.

    The subtle body lives on an on. Blood and flesh dies, over and over, but the soul never dies. The soul though is not infinitely durable — the soul may sleep through life after life — so again it may as well be dead. Most souls are asleep. Everything they do they do in sleep. They are trapped in a deterministic recurrence, life after life. Their script never varies… Except for those few whom for some reason are nudged into partial wakefulness and whose fate includes an encounter with other seekers whom have had a shock of some kind. They have a desire beyond comprehension to find the key they held in their hands for just a moment. For some it feels like oblivion. But a truly awakened soul recognizes the transcendent moment is more real than ordinary life seems to be for most other souls.

    Over and over again these insights are turned into religions and masses of people are hypnotized like sheep in a pasture who seek safety in conformity. Real awakening feels at first like a departure from the substantive world large collectives adhere to. So especially intellectual centred people, see solace in endless speculation and argumentation. Some charismatic types rise up imagining they can manufacture a perfect world. Many simply seek solace amongst the herd.

    The glimpse of something seen as otherwise impossible is best approached obliquely. Otherwise they may go mad. Some drugs bring that on. Paradoxically it is in fully engaging one’s incarnation without being identified or *attached* that transcendence is experienced. Then one discovers the majority of people one encounters throughout life do not notice you at all. In a peculiar way you disappear.

    What disappears is false personality. Real personality is a manifestation of will and is deployed intentionally rather than mechanically. Inside one becomes quieter and simpler. The phrase “…dying to ones self’” means dying to the ego bound self — the mechanical reactionary self.

    Only the truly awakened soul reincarnates. For the majority it is recurrence. If everyone awakened all at once life would cease on planet earth. Souls require materiality if they are to grow, putting it prosaically. Awakened souls have a greater responsibility not less. But it does not feel like a burden.

    Of course for most people life’s pursuits are enough. Planet purgatory is a necessity.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Unbornawakened
  213. @Anonymous 1

    The Jewintern DEMANDS total obeisance, even in regard to genocide. Thus does Zionazism poison the host society, and sets the captive West against the rest of humanity who overwhelmingly despise Israel as a genocidal, settler colonial, cancer. Of course Black Americans have NO choice, this being really existing ‘democracy’. ALL the three major candidates are owned, body and dead soul, by the Jewintern.

    • Agree: Anonymous 1
  214. @Rich

    I really think that you may be the least impressive troll hereabouts. Stupid, pig ignorant, arrogant smart-arse-you should move to Austfailia and get into the MSM or politics.

    • Troll: Rich
  215. @skrik

    The Chinese Premier is visiting, so the VERMIN of the MSM have spent the time before his arrival spewing hatred, slander, lies and contempt at China. Same old, same old. The LNP (Lying Nazi Party)has demanded that the ALP (Another Liberal Party) regime treat Li as if he is an enemy, which, of course, China is portrayed as being.
    This morning the hysteria turned utterly ludicrous. The ABC had a poor thing, in my opinion desperately in need of psychiatric care, Vicky Xu on, relating a lurid tale so phony and paranoid that one did not know whether to laugh or scream. The compradore, now living in that Free Market paradise, Taiwan, is supposedly being hunted by the dread CCP. As if they had nothing better to do that pursue a paranoid, narcissistic, self-publicist ‘journalist and ‘comic”. Really! Apparently, she claimed, the local wallopers had advised her ‘not to visit the same cafe’ and (this IS a gem!) to ‘…alternate between running and walking’ when out and about. I see how she is a ‘comedian’ after all. This fiasco started a few days ago in the print MSM, so the ABC saw a chance to do its bit for ‘Freedom’ and ‘Western Values’ and broadcast the shite without laughing aloud.
    This is the Free Press, you see. Totally uniform 100% hate and slander against a country that wishes us no ill, while we plot with the USA to destroy the place and break it into pieces. And the incessant hate spew about ‘human rights’ based entirely on lies and slander and explicit support for ETIM terrorists and wannabe terrorists in Hong Kong, while this country imprisons our Indigenous people at the highest rate on Earth, and joined in the genocide in Iraq (not forgeting those in Korea and Indochina) with our Yankee Masters and does NOTHING but mumble mealy-mouthed pleas to the Zionazi thugs butchering Gazan children, really takes the prize for sickening hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @skrik
  216. skrik says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Thanks, although AusBC’s ‘comprador comedian’ is hardly a laughing matter. Part of the headline-article’s title is “the Misjudgement of Reality” so based on the ‘bad behaviour’ of the AusBC [as in most of the ‘Western’ MSM & PFBCs], I pose this Q: What’s the use of all this misreporting of reality, specifically that misreporting [= lies] targeted at C, I & R [= China, Iran & Russia]?

    Suggested A:

    The political purpose of the Two Minutes Hate is to allow the citizens of Oceania to vent their existential anguish and personal hatred toward politically expedient enemies: Goldstein and the enemy super-state of the moment. In re-directing the members’ subconscious feelings away from the Party’s governance of Oceania and toward non-existent external enemies, the Party minimises thought crime and the consequent subversive behaviours of thought criminals

    rgds

    PS As well as the MSM & PFBCs misreporting reality [democracy cannot work], our reps are misrepresenting us [democracy does not work], and the sky is falling [AGW.]

    Q: Cui bono?

    A: Not us, we the people so a) ignore all such criminal behaviours and b) try to have some fun [= ‘make hay while the sun shines’ = carpe diem.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  217. @werpor

    I appreciate you taking the time to respond at length in such great detail.

    If there is something transcendental, it has to be experienced.

    Practical work is indeed what matters most, if one is to aspire something beyond the ordinary human experience.

    I searched and searched beginning in my early teens, then at some point I thought I found what I was searching for, that led to an experience that was different qualitatively from all previous experiences, but it also eventually led to disillusionment. (At this time, I am reconsidering, as I have intermittently in the past, without much follow-up. Your input is stimulating).

    I could share one or two videos (that I bumped into recently again) of what I viewed (in the past) as being the simplest, most self-consistent, and seemingly (for me) truest explanation of reality. However, this view would be dismissive of most of what you wrote. So, I am not sure if you are interested in it. Also, if I share my post will likely be deleted. In addition, I don’t really know if it is anything beyond delusional thinking and the weight of tradition, except that what I experienced (twice in a state of intense concentration), as it occurred to me later, seemed to lend credence to it.

  218. werpor says:

    Unbornawakened
    “If there is something transcendental, it has to be experienced.”

    Yes indeed! Relying on accident for glimpse of the transcendent is folly. But what is man but foolish. He gives everything for a flimsy return on his precious lives chance of obtaining consciousness.

    Most people dismiss it because they expect something for nothing. A glimpse is a gift — a hint if you will. A fortunate few trust their own experience and so search for a door through which they can meet others whom understand how to appreciate their gift. Still there is no such thing as enlightenment as we might conceive it — especially given the plethora of theories and false guidance larded into a thousand books.

    There are people who understand the ways and means to help people to realize a permanent and reliable centre of gravity … yes, right here in North America. But I can assure they waste no time on theory and speculation — “pouring from the empty into the void” so to say.

    In the beginning one must build a new and precise vocabulary while gradually coming to understand the importance of precision when we speak or think.

    You may or may not live close to a Gurdjieff foundation. These foundations are reliably consistent across the world. They will no doubt at some point recommend you read “In Search of the Miraculous” by P.D. Ouspensky. And buy old copies of Parabola … find them on line.

    The Gurdjieff Foundation of Canada — gurdjieff.ca — has a well written introduction, in my estimation. More than that these days, you can search on line. In my day these groups were not so easily accessed. Perhaps that was a good thing. Head knowledge gets in the way of understanding.

    werpor

    • Thanks: Unbornawakened
    • Replies: @Unbornawakened
  219. @skrik

    Yes, but we do not get ‘two minutes hate’ of China these days, but 24×60 ie 1440 minutes of hate per day. The TOTAL uniformity of hatred exhibited by the MSM, the excited near hysteria of the presstitute vermin as they wade in, the ludicrous lies repeated even after exposure and, above all, the sheer scintillating hypocrisy (the PRC ringed by US and stooge military bases is the ‘aggressor’) illustrate the deep race and cultural hatred and lurid delusions of supremacy that lie behind the campaign.
    Just today I saw some US political figure declaring that, even if China adopted the US Constitution and thoroughly Westernised, the US would still have to drive it back into poverty, because the USA cannot exist other than as sole global hegemon, plainly forever. That has been obvious since 1949, since 1776 to be frank, and shows why genocidal aggression against China is almost inevitable. The only thing precluding that would be the USA’s own collapse. That US ‘leaders’ imagine that they can do it (and their Australia running-dogs yappingly concur) shows how utterly insane they are.

    • Thanks: skrik
    • Replies: @skrik
  220. skrik says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Here is an article which more than just ‘partly’ shows *how* things are going wrong, what is needed to *fix* things – but of course, ‘the West’ will totally do ‘any other thing’ but fix anything.

    “Navigating the psychology of totalitarianism and mass formation: A call to contemporary leaders”
    Cobus Oosthuizen, PhD
    Phrontist
    Published Jun 22, 2023
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/navigating-psychology-totalitarianism-mass-formation-oosthuizen-phd

    [excerpt:]

    At a glance, the “psychology of totalitarianism” and “mass formation” might seem like esoteric sociological concepts. However, they are deeply pertinent to our contemporary times, and understanding them is crucial for leaders wishing to safeguard their organisations and society at large.

    The “psychology of totalitarianism” refers to the mindset that allows an autocratic, all-controlling power to flourish. It involves a societal surrender of critical thinking, freedom, and individuality, replaced by absolute obedience to a central authority. This mindset can seep into organisations, creating a culture where dissent is suppressed, diversity is feared, and conformity is pursued above innovation.

    “Mass formation” refers to the societal phenomenon where, in times of widespread anxiety and social disconnection, a society latches onto a single narrative, often proposed by a leader or a leading group. This narrative promises salvation and unity, albeit at the cost of personal freedoms and critical reasoning.

    In recent years, we have seen a worrying trend towards these phenomena, spurred by increasing political polarisation, rampant disinformation, and existential threats like climate change and pandemics. The dangers are profound: stifled innovation, erosion of trust, and a society or organisation that resembles a herd of zombies, blindly following a narrative, rather than a vibrant, thinking community

    IOW ((‘the fix’)) is in [ba-a-a zombies!] rgds

    PS I found this:

    The federal government backbencher this week launched a podcast on which he promoted debunked ideas such as “mass formation psychosis”

    ‘Debunked,’ eh? Shows to go ya; AusBC says one thing, ‘something else’ is much more likely the truth.

  221. @werpor

    The only substance which can survive death is something obtained by one’s own conscious initiative. Even if one encounters real help, change of essence requires a long process. How can it be otherwise?

    Nothing is free! By far the majority of souls when they die, are more or less unchanged by having lived. Souls don’t die. The body dies but the soul can only remain on the level it did or did not obtain by real conscious effort. Each life is a timeless loop. Rebirth is merely recurrence. One lives the same life much as before — the life is the same life — death is an illusion.

    Most certainly the soul changes. It either evolves or it devolves. It cannot remain the same. In most instances the substance of things looks the same — the differences are far too subtle to be noticed by the reborn child. How can it be otherwise?

    Except that while it might be said nothing changes in each recurrence, but of course that too is absurd.

    Everything does change but it is not noticeable. Everything seems so familiar the newborn slips into a routine it knows so well. One tragedy which obtains is the certainty one is always right! Fair enough one *is* always right. The soul may insist it knows something which having lived again and again cannot be denied. Letting go of being right is not only superficial. Obviously the recurring soul has been there before.

    Unless one has a peek behind the curtain of inevitability. This peek, so-to-say does not necessarily recur each time you recur. How could it if one accepts change is constant. Everything changes all the time in time. Except the newly incarnated soul does not notice. A soul may have a thousand incarnations or a million incarnations … each time though everything seems so familiar to the last incarnation. If the soul jumped somehow say twenty incarnations the soul might notice. How could it be otherwise? But souls do not jump twenty incarnations. That some people do notice is a mystery.

    It occurs inevitably that given that everything does change, a reincarnated soul may notice, shall we say, something odd. A momentary glimpse of something odd — along the line of a souls timeless journey, incarnation after incarnation recurrence after recurrence may indeed prod the soul to recognize something out of place. Nothing is ever in place but does the soul notice the subtle differences between this time and the other time or other times? Except occasionally something the jarring is cognized.

    There is no such thing as time as we understand it. Indeed everything is material. Yet for some reason this materiality is not an inert unchanging solid. How can it be otherwise? Or else we could not live. We are a minuscule part of something beyond ordinary perception. There is of course duration but not time as we conceive it. But the same possibilities for a souls possible evolution are rare. Death seems final. But nothing dies. It is transformed each time the physical body dies but one might as well be dead. The universe, or God if you will, does not require souls to wake up.

    The subtle body lives on an on. Blood and flesh dies, over and over, but the soul never dies. The soul though is not infinitely durable — the soul may sleep through life after life — so again it may as well be dead. Most souls are asleep. Everything they do they do in sleep. They are trapped in a deterministic recurrence, life after life. Their script never varies… Except for those few whom for some reason are nudged into partial wakefulness and whose fate includes an encounter with other seekers whom have had a shock of some kind. They have a desire beyond comprehension to find the key they held in their hands for just a moment.

    I have bolded some of the intriguing comments you made concerning “soul.”

    Seems closely related to material out of Ouspensky/Gurdjieff (but how close I am not sure, since I am unfamiliar with it).

    Is any of this verifiable in your personal experience? In other words, is this metaphysical speculation, or something you are certain of because you have been able to verify its veracity?

    Eternal recurrence, sleep, inability to wake up (for almost all), identification with flesh and personality, evolution and devolution, millions or thousands of incarnations, etc., all this depicts to me what I would imagine a hellish realm to be.

    Are we in hell?

    Or as Castaneda proposed, is the soul an inorganic long-lived (compared to human lifespan) but not eternal invader from outer space that has taken possession of human beings and is sucking experience and energy from it?

    Are we living in the matrix?

    Isn’t nonexistence far more preferrable to this endless cycle of suffering, evolution, devolution? Are we condemned to exist and suffer? Can we self-destruct and escape this hellish realm and its creator?

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