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Mel is one of the only people with money and power who has kept it real.
Here is the letter he sent to Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò after the latter was excommunicated by a homosexual-riddled Vatican.
by Mel Gibson
Dear Archbishop,
I’m sure you expected nothing else from Jorge Bergoglio.
I know that you know he has no authority whatsoever – so I’m not sure how this will effect you going forward- I hope you will continue to say mass & receive the sacraments yourself – it really is a badge of honor to be shunned by the false, post conciliar church.
You have my sympathies that you suffer publicly this grave injustice. To me & many others you are a most courageous Hero.
As always, you have hit the nail on the head regarding the illegitimacy of Francis. You express the core problems with the institution that has eclipsed the true church & I applaud your courage in expressing that, but more than that in maintaining fidelity to the true church!
You are a modern day Athanasius! I have all respect for the way you defend Christ & his church. I agree with you 100% that the post conciliar church of Vatican II is a counterfeit church. This is why I built a Catholic Church that only worships traditionally. You are welcome to come & say mass there anytime.
Of course being called a schismatic & being excommunicated by Jorge Bergoglio is like a badge of honor when you consider he is a total apostate & expels you from a false institution.
Remember that true schism requires innovation, something you have not done but something that Bergoglio does with every breath
He, therefore, is the schismatic! However he already ipso facto excommunicated himself by his many public heresies (canon 188 in the 1917 code).
As you already know he has no power to excommunicate you because he is not even a Catholic.
So rejoice! I am with you & I hope Bergoglio excommunicates me from his false church also.
Bergoglio & his cohorts have the clothes & the buildings, but you have the faith.
God bless & keep you. If you need anything just ask I will try my best to help.
With admiration & undying respect.
There are a lot of things I could say here, but I don’t really want to include my own commentary on things next to Mel’s comments, which I think should be left to speak for themselves.
I will soon write a big follow-up on the situation of the Good Bishop and what his excommunication means for the future of Christendom. I will say that the most important line in this letter is: “true schism requires innovation, something you have not done but something that Bergoglio does with every breath.”
That is the nail on the head right there.
The Good Bishop kept the faith, and it is “Francis” who has abandoned it. You can’t just go around changing thousands-of-years-old Church doctrine and then claiming anyone who wants to keep the traditional faith is in schism.
This also really touched me: “Bergoglio & his cohorts have the clothes & the buildings, but you have the faith.”
Further, as he’s probably an obscure figure to most, I wanted to let people know who Athanasius of Alexandria is: he was a Church Father who fought for the Nicene Creed and was a key figure in crushing the Arian heresy, which denied the divinity of Christ and the Trinity. He suffered greatly for it, being exiled four times by various Roman Emperors. It means a lot to me that Mel compared the Good Bishop to the man who is known as “The Father of Orthodoxy,” and is known much more in the East than the West. (here’s his Wikipedia.)
God bless and keep Mel.
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You really want to “keep it real” where Christian doctrine is concerned? Return the Church all the way back to Marcion of Sinope. Jettison the Jews!
Yeah, Mel Gibson is really the one who should be making pronouncements on faith and morals. The guy who’s on his third marriage and who left his wife of three decades and his kids and went off and had a child out of wedlock with some young sleazy silicone-lipped Russian.
Gibson referred to the Holy Father as a “total apostate” and the post Vatican II Catholic Church a “false institution”. Well, fuck you Gibson.
Schismatics are almost indistinguishable in their comments to anti-Catholic Protestant fundamentalists. Makes sense as they are both guided by the same principle of sola ego.
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Thank you Mr Gibson!
The stuck pig, it squeals, and the lady doth protest too much.
He is. It is. What’s your point. Genetic fallacies are meaningless to anyone who isn’t a jew. You can’t refute these statements of fact, so you attack the person who said them on irrelevant matters.
The papist cries out in pain as it burns in hell. “Oy vey goyim, the Bible doesn’t tell you what doctrine is! WE do! Also you’re forbidden from reading it. No, the words of Christ Himself aren’t as meaningful as our own personal desires! We say so! Therefore it’s true!”
Papacy. Not even once.
Very swarthy for a russian… Must be some south Caucasian slut barely white, with Plastic surgery, Botox, hair strengthening paid by his pimps when very young.
Poor Mel should have been desesperate when he met this trash.
I don’t think Gibson married any of the women he had children with after splitting from his wife. I think they were more or less concubines. They would be considered adulterous affairs and could be forgiven, according to Catholic doctrine, through confession and repentance. He is obviously right about Bergoglio, whether he’s a sinner or not. Toleration of homosexuality, Bergoglio edges towards approval, is so anti-Christian, it’s impossible to reach any conclusion except that he’s an anti-Pope.
Andrew pointed on some information from Wiki. I will also point on some:
The mainstream hides it (maybe someone knows why?), but perhaps it will be interesting to someone that all the mentioned Roman emperors were – Serbs.
no it didn’t
you were way ahead with:
but at least you’re right, that Mel (and Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano) are the honorable, principled ones in this schism of righteousness and integrity. I would say that seems quite obvious, as the Vatican has become a den of pedophilia and moral degeneracy.
Like Ann Barnhardt, I’d like to get the best address for obtaining an official excommunication document – confirming that I have no affiliation whatsoever with today’s Vatican hierarchy which is little more than a well-funded Satanic club of aging foam-boys.
Bergoglio and those like him praise the Reformers and their legacy but more or less disclaim the Papacy.
They’ll take orders from B’nai B’rith to shut down things Jews hate, and they’ll “excommunicate” a cleric like Vigano for refusing to accept the public defection from Catholic teaching, otherwise, they’ll accept all Protestant denominations. The more an infidel or heretic rails against the Papacy, the more Bergoglio nods in approval.
Bergoglio is what you get when the powers in judeo-masonry, which includes the “Protestant” countries like the United States (never has been – not officially, anyway), decide who is elevated into the Vatican.
Mr. Gibson suffers from mental illness (bipolar disorder), so his judgements tend to be askew. He and Abp. Vigano should foreswear their sedevacantism, which undercuts their legitimate criticisms of Pope Francis.
I do hope that the excommunication of Archbishop Vigano will cause Catholics to take a look at Eastern Orthodoxy. Not that the Orthodox don’t have problems of their own, but it retains the older form of ecclesiastical organization than Roman Catholicism. The development of the Papacy into what it is today was the result of Rome seeing itself as much as a temporal power rather than just a spiritual power. The issue is bigger than just abolishing the Tridentine Mass. Francis seems to have a vendetta against these folks. He could have simply said ok we can do both masses Tridentine and Novus Ordo, but he knows that the Latin Mass folks would not approve of the further innovations that he would love to make in Church doctrine. They did not approve of many thing he has already done during his papacy –think Pacha Mama. To many Traditionalists, Francis is not a schismatic, he’s a downright heretic.
A little more about the background of the Nicaean – Arianism conflict. The great followers of Arianism were the Vandals (Wends), a Serbian tribe that arrived in today’s Tunisia via Spain and Gibraltar, formed a very advanced civilization and ruled the Mediterranean. They were remembered as the destroyers of Rome so that their name is still used in that context today.
Toponyms ([V]Andalusia, Lusatia) remain after them in the Pyrenees. The Serbian-Roman Emperor Justinian sought to restore the greatness of the Roman Empire and tried to subjugate the Vandals. After a couple of failed attempts, his general Belisarius (also a Serb) managed to defeat the Vandals and overthrow their kingdom, after which they were incorporated into the Eastern Roman Empire. Shortly thereafter, Arianism was eradicated.
PS. (correction) The above list of emperors also includes Valerian (the valerian plant was named after him), whom I said was a Serb, thinking that it was written Valentinian, but there is no confirmation for such a thing at the moment and it will have to be checked again. I apologize to my regular readers.
Translation: pointy elbows 2/10 would not bang
Religion is a crutch; if at all possible one should work towards being able to walk and run without a crutch; and when then one begins to lay down tracks religiosity can make itself felt, through merit and/or the grace of God.
Hutton Peter Gibson, father of Mel Gibson, was a sedisvacantist.
Sedisvacantism (doctrine of the empty chair of Peter) is the theological position that the papal chair is currently vacant or that the current bishop of Rome is not the legitimate pope. Accordingly, only a pseudo-pope or putative pope reigns. Sedisvacantism is part of Catholic Traditionalism.
Accordingly, the Second Vatican Council V2 cannot be included in the series of ecumenical councils, as it did and does not have infallible teaching authority.
In 1962, the hijacked Catholic Church was driven into an even darker darkness:
Over 60 years ago, on October 1, 1962, an Angelo Roncalli, aka Pope John XXIII, gave the opening speech for the spectacle that went down in the history books as the “Second Vatican Council”. There had already been many false popes in the history of the Church. Roncalli appears to have been the first to organize a meeting of bishops, which many Catholics initially mistook for a council.
In that opening speech on V2, Roncalli proclaimed the end of the Catholic Church and the beginning of a new cage aka New Age (…re. „New World Order“…“New Man“…”Unity of Mankind”)
For Roncalli, his faith was not something for which he had to stand and even be prepared to die. In his New Age, it was all about a pseudo-friendly, collegial coexistence of all people, regardless of their basic convictions, let alone their natural constitution: “The Church has always resisted errors, often condemning them, sometimes with great severity. Today, however, the bride of Christ would rather use the remedy of mercy than the weapon of severity. She believes that it is more appropriate to today’s needs to explain the power of her teaching at length than to condemn” (Roncalli, opening speech to his V2).
Reference: Tolerance, the last virtue before the total downfall!
Hierarchical leadership has been replaced by so-called dialog, i.e. blathering. Gossip is the new principle of the Church, but in reality it is the new sect’s way of making money, whereby the right of the fist is a basic practice of the Council sect, as the very recent treatment of the good Carlo-Maria shows once again.
“Enter through the narrow gate! For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many go through it. But narrow is the gate and strait is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it” (Mt 7:13f);
“But will the Son of Man find faith on earth when he comes?” (Luke 18:8).
Saint Paul called the Church the “pillar and foundation of the truth” (1 Tim 3:15)
“But even if we or an angel from heaven preached to you a different gospel from the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, I repeat it now: If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Gal 1:8f).
The Catholic Church has not had a real pope for eons.
The Jewish heretic Aron Wojtyla, aka Pope John Paul II, was already expelled from the church when he was elected pope. His heresies include the doctrine of all salvation. According to general doctrine, this already applies to the papal election: Non-members of the College of Cardinals also have the right to stand for election; however, heretics and those who are excluded from the episcopate by divine right cannot be elected.
I remember very well the pseudo-election of that filthy pig-Jew after a possible real pope had been poisoned after only 30 days on the chair (of traitor Peter).
According to general doctrine, a heretic cannot be pope. Moreover, the ordination rites introduced by the Vatican 2 pseudo-popes are invalid. Some members of the Vatican II sect openly admit this invalidity, while other members openly deny that Jesus instituted sacraments such as priestly ordination at all. Anyone who wants to be obedient to the Vatican II pseudo-popes must therefore renounce the sacraments of the Catholic Church, because in the Vatican II sect there are only dubiously valid to certainly invalid satanic rites.
Wow, Ignatius really sucked hard on some papal cock, didn’t he? Sorry, Iggy, I’m sure you meant well, but I’ll be believing what my own eyes and ears tell me, and not what some mean little atheist in a beanie says.
I’ve always had a rather sneaking admiration for the Arian heresy. It really doesn’t deny that Christ was divine, just that He was a created being. There’s a lot in Scripture that seems to suggest such a relationship between Father and Son. But if we’re going to revive heresies, the heresy of Marcion of Sinope, which held that the Gods of the Old and New Testament were different, might be worthy of consideration.
he was probably drunk.
This contradicts Pastor Aeternus from the First Vatican Council. To do away with Vatican 2, one must also do away with Vatican 1, which means admitting that the “one true church” has dogmatized falsehoods and it has been teaching them with full consensus of the clergy for over 150 years now. The Vatican itself has more or less admitted this recently and tried to retcon Vatican I because it is now hindering their aspiration to merge papism into a globalist ecumenical unitarian cult that would incorporate all of the “monotheist” and “spiritual” religions into one (subordinate to Jews, of course). Dogmatizing falsehoods and teaching them for 150 years would, naturally, imply that the papist cult is not the “one true church,” but instead a coven of vicious satanic pederasts (as all historical evidence supports).
Jews, the god-emperors of American chrsitianity and HBD.
Nihilism in the worship of Jewish superiority.
It would’ve been funny if Mel said he hopes the pope gets raped by a ‘pack of n-words.’
Most of us are sinners to a more or lesser degree but we are not all schismatic.
“a key figure in crushing the Arian heresy, which denied the divinity of Christ and the Trinity”
A debate about whether Jesus and the Holy Spirit were “always there” – “consubstantial, co-eternal” or were created by God (as Arians argued) seems very angels-on-pins to me i.e. damn stupid – yet people killed and were killed for being for or against the idea.
I don’t think Arians denied Christ’s divinity.
Yes, he forgot to ask Polacks. They would have explained Mel that Poland is Christ.
Draжo, what’s up with you (kuj ti andrak)? What BS from those who haven’t even seen her invisible assets. I hope ariadne doesn’t read, but I wouldn’t forgive her.
Good grief. All this religious horseshit is just a distraction from Whites being persecuted, displaced, and ultimately murdered. The only test of a religion is, does it further the aims and survival of the civilization that spawned it?? If not, it needs to be discarded. The Catholic Church, and Christianity in general, has failed that test for over fifty years.
Set me straight on the Sedevacante folks. The pope is chose by his fellow cardinals -he is still a bishop because there is no special rite of ordination that goes along with the making of a pope. One could argue that because the ordination rite was changed (for both priests and bishops) that their ordinations are null and void. So Francis, as well as anyone ordained after the rite of ordination was changed is not a legitimate priest or bishop. He was legitimately chosen as pope by his fellow cardinals, but the crux of the matter is the legitimacy of the ordination not the choice made the college of cardinals or if Francis himself hold heretical beliefs.
Marlon Brando had an affair with his Central American housekeeper with whom he fathered three children. I’m a big fan of the artistic efforts of both Mel and Marlon, but they are both obviously flawed as men. I guess bad choices come with fame and fortune and the showbiz industry.
And, for over two thousand years the church worked just fine. Jewish predation is the problem, not the church.
Excellent overview of the Vigano excommunication from Father Kramer and Jeff Rense.
Guys, what catholics need to understand is that these are the end times, and as such, it was prophesized that a great apostasy would start from the top of the hierarchy: Bergoglio, an ecclesiastical freemason, the “destroyer” of St Francis prophecy [google it].
The Church and vatican are not a “false institution” as Mel Gibson wrote, but the one true Catholic Church infiltrated by wolves as prophesized.
Unfortunately, many catholics left the Church either to join protestant sects or to join sedevecantist traitor’s sects! Yes, traitors! They abandoned the Church when she needed support and prayer the most, they abandoned the Church as the apostles abandoned Jesus during His Passion.
The Church is now going through the same passion process [catholic catechism 675], and more than ever, catholics need to be well and properly informed that all the scandals and destruction from within have not been caused by normal holy clergy, but by infiltrated wolves. See these:
= https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=dillon&book=freemasonry&story=vendita
= https://educate-yourself.org/cn/The-Jewish-Peril-and-The-Catholic-Church-1936-The-Catholic-Gazette.shtml#top
= https://afterthewarning.com/religious-reading/iniquity-unveiled/aa-1025/
= https://catholicism.org/bella-dodd-%E2%80%94-from-communist-to-catholic.html
= https://catholicsoul.tumblr.com/post/84743811542/the-masonic-plan-for-the-destruction-of-the
God bless you all,
Luís
Poland IS Jesus “christ”, as in dying and never going to come back afterwards.
While drunk, Mel Gibson actually spoke and spouted out the TRUTH about the jews, which got him into trouble with our jew-run media, but so what?
Alcohol consumption to excess has a habit of reducing, if not eliminating inhibitions, sometimes allowing the TRUTH to get out.
Mel Gibson is a good man…a sinner like us all, but a good man nevertheless.
Disagree vehemently…
Outlawing the celebration of the Latin Mass comes right out of the pope’s pronouncements.
How can a Mass, celebrated for hundreds if not thousands of years be declared “off-limits”?
couldn’t disagree more strongly with your trinitarian views and Christology… a triune god is a carryover from pagan religions… God is singular, omnipotent, no beginning and no end..the Holy Spirit who is light and love….. Christ is a man, raised from the dead (by God not by himself), seated on the right hand of God, given authority over his kingdom, and making intercessions between God and man (sorry no Mary involved..she is dust like everyone else that ever died except Christ). He is soon to return and set things straight…. you won’t convert Muslims or Jews with this triune god concept who are both monotheistic..but you will open the door to doubting the integrity of the Word of God. one side won the debate.. the wrong side….I am sure God’s arch foe had something to do with that… even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.
” the Vandals (Wends), a Serbian tribe that arrived in today’s Tunisia via Spain and Gibraltar, formed a very advanced civilization and ruled the Mediterranean. They were remembered as the destroyers of Rome so that their name is still used in that context today.”
– That is a very confused and erroneous statement.
1. The VANDALS were GERMANIC people who had migrated to Silesia (now southern Poland) around 120 BC and after 405/09 migrated to the Iberian peninsula and Africa, establishing civilizations and “vandalizing” Rome as mentioned.
See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals
2. The WENDS was a generic term for SLAVIC people who temporarily migrated to nowadays north-east german lands in the first millenium AD and
a) were not limited to the Sorbs (which are only partial serbian) at all (but including poladian and milceni and other tribes) and
b) these people had nothing to do with the mediterranean/african conquests.
See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wends
The confusion of germanic Vandals versus slavic Wends apparently stems from the very close sounding name and the fact that seemingly not only medieval writers often confused them with one another but infact their western germanic neighbors perhaps infact sometimes called both different groups by the same name, since both had been their – and perhaps simply meant “temporary eastern neighbors” at one time.
Dear commenters, please read The New Testament and find out the truth in the scripture.
Don’t follow doctrine of man( any religious teaching including RC church)
Don’t you know that The Head of The Church on earth is Christ Jesus, and not any man,
that man becomes the child of God only by receiving Christ when he enters into New Covenant by the blood of Christ.That marriage is a covenant and is not to be broken, only by death of the spouse,it is dissolved.
We have a problem with private interpretation of the scripture forbidden by 2 Peter 1:20
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”is
This is the very reason why we have so many Christian religions.
There is only one way 1 Corinthians 2:13
“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.”
I won’t take the time to refute your positions point by point. That being said, Jesus raised His own body.
John 2:19. “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Jesus was speaking of the temple of His body. The Greek text uses the word “soma”, body.
There are also verses that state that the Father raised the Son, and that the Spirit raised Jesus.
Please, take the time to look them up.
Trinitarian theology is a fact. The three personalities are the one God.
So much for the Bergoglian vocabulary of penitential counsel.
“Return the Church all the way back to Marcion of Sinope. Jettison the Jews!”
Marcion compiled the first New Testament and was excommunicated as a ‘heretic’. The Church has been corrupt from the beginning.
Another figure, who deserves more attention, is Pelagius, whose heresy was to teach that children are born innocent, and that one must choose not to sin.
Vigano and Gibson are on dangerous ground.
Certainly, the past eighty years have seen much liberality in the thinking of many in the Catholic Hierarchy, but all of their pronouncements slide within the bounds of correct doctrine. Pope Francis’s declarations on marriage and homosexualism are pretty weak tea and don’t give much real leeway, as mealy-mouthed as they appear.
One doesn’t want to get caught outside of the marriage banquet after the doors are locked.
Archbishop Viganò is not a sedevacantist, nor was Hutton Gibson, Mel’s late father. Hutton was smeared in every way possible, largely because he was an outspoken critic of the great lie of the century, a certain “holocaust” that never happened. Hutton was certainly no fan of the Second Vatican Council either.
I have no idea whether Mel is now mentally ill, as the media would have us believe. The media also tell us that both Gibsons are sedevacantists—a word that media figures would never have heard did they not have so many sexually deviant friends in high postconciliar church positions.
Like his brave father, Mel has defied the Holohauxers to their face, and he has paid a heavy price for his defiance. All that can be said for sure about Mel and his public conduct is that the Traditional Catholicism he professes is certainly scarred by an unfortunate irregularity in his marital state. Whether his marital and sexual conduct represents a scandalous failure to practice what he preaches or is an unfortunate symptom of one of the mental disorders he is said to suffer from by the “experts” of the (((“science” of psychiatry))) is not something I am well enough imformed about to hazard an opinion.
I pray for Mel’s mental and spritual health. Even more assiduously do I pray that God will grant the Catholic Church a truly Athanasian pope, one who rightly associates innovation with schism and heresy, to replace the blasphemous monster presently sitting in Peter’s seat.
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This is not just about the nature and gravity of the sin. That’s a matter for Gibson and his confessor/God. Public figures or celebrities who commit public scandals have a different standard and part of their penance needs to be public as well.
A public figure, e.g., a politician, can’t spend 30 years advocating for gay marriage and abortion and then privately renounce his position and ask for forgiveness in the confessional.
Which version of the Bible do you read? A serious question. Is there are a more ‘authentic’ bible than the King James?
Interesting that you say it “contradicts” Pastor Aeternus but you don’t say how it does.
Nothing in Pastor Aeternus rules out an extended period of sede vacante.
Stalin appointed patriarchs are valid for you people, seeing as your religion is purely erastian and erastianism is the REAL basis of the schism. If the Communists (or somebody else who hated Catholicism) and interfered in the Papal election, that would call its validity into question, and I have no doubt the Fathers of Vatican I would have concurred in that judgment.
I’m not a Catholic, I was raised in another Christian denomination but I appreciate the significance of what has happened. What is happening in the Catholic church has happened in all areas of Christianity with the possible exception of some Eastern Orthodox sects. While I appreciate the significance of this “excommunication” of Archbishop Viganò to all Christianity, millions of evangelical Christians in the US probably have never hear of Archbishop Vigano, being only concerned with mah Israel, mah guns and mah Trump. Even if they’ve heard of Vigano, they’re hearts turn to stone when they hear the word “Catholic”. They’re ignorance of the world just turns them into slaves of the New World Order.
If in 1871, Victor Emmanuel had “deposed” Pius IX and installed whomsoever he wanted, that would be an Anti-Pope, nobody would have asserted (except the most tendentious bigots) that it contradicted Pastor Aeternus to refuse to accept the legitimacy of the replacement.
These people subject to the Turks and the Communists (and less hostile to them than to Catholics) have always had to grasp at straws to explain the “theological” motives for their hatred of the Latins.
Hot Russian chick. I see why he did it.
It just took people 350 years to figure it out. Why’s that?? Maybe because it wasn’t made clear in the first place?
A clarification of my earlier comment. Archbishop Viganò is not a sedevacantist in the sense in which “sedevacantist” is normally used. That is to say, Archbishop Viganò has not claimed to have evidence that the pope’s selection in conclave can be proved to have been a product of bribery, blackmail, or conspiracy. Rather, in some instances Archbishop Viganò has seemed to suggest that Pope Bergoglio has done things or acted in ways that might be termed self-excommunicatory.* Has he done or said anything sufficient to excommunicate himself, Bergoglio would ipso facto have lost the right to Peter’s chair. The problem for us Catholics is that we lack the authority to judge the state of the pope’s conscience and thus determine the dogmatic consequences of the words or actions of a living pope. Only God can do that.
What may be said with certainty, however, is that a great many Catholics will declare without hesitancy that the dead Pope Francis was, while he lived, a heretic and an enemy of the Faith.
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*Pious Catholics in the thousands have publicly made similar suggestions.
Well you can go to Hell, Mel. In a literal and littoral sense, because when you jump out of Jesus’ boat when the seas get rough (Matthew 8), you jump out of the ark of salvation (extra Ecclesiam nulla salus).
Why would later Biblical scholars of the Church of England, with the full approval of the Archbishop of Canterbury and the reigning monarch, have undertaken numerous revisions of the original Authorized Version if they didn’t think that their predecessors had left errors that required amending? Why would Saint Jerome have produced two word-complete revisions of the Vulgate during his lifetime and die while working on his third? Why do Biblical scholars fluent in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin continue Jerome’s work in the Vatican to this day?
Perhaps you should learn more of the Bible’s significance to others before you ask them a question that is far less simple than you evidently take it to be.
By some accounts the kikes have preyed on the Catholic church for over 60 years, and maybe even a hundred. You true believers haven’t taken it back yet?? Why?? Maybe your efforts would be better spent elsewhere.
The Gods of the Old and New Testament are very, very, very different. JC was quite critical of what the rabbis of the day were teaching – which was the Old Testament. He called them devil worshippers, liars etc, and even took a whip to them.
Speaking of tradition, while Christians re-enact the birth and death of Jesus, there’s nobody doing reeanactments of the whipping in the Temple.
I offer a dozen six foot long sally rods, free of charge (just pay shipping costs), to anyone planning any such re-enactment. Please obtain consent from people before whipping them…
I’m not Catholic, so the squabbles about he said and then he said don’t impress me. What does impress me very very much is that Carlo Maria Vigano is a truth teller. He was truthful about the dangers of the phony vax. He is truthful about the dangers of the mega-rich tyranny. He is a brave and wise man. The fact that the money worshippers at the Vatican are after him is proof that he is purely on the side of good.
Well doesn’t their answer begin to explain its significance to them? I am a lapsed Catholic who is suspicious of the provenance of the King James Bible. That’s a bit of context for my question. I have been reading the Marcion New Testament and once I’m done I’ll go back to the King James Bible my great aunt brought me from Jerusalem. Could be worse ways to begin to find my way back into a church.
[sigh] The Trinitarian character of God is made plain time and again in the Acts of the Apostles, the earliest book of the New Testament. Trinitarian doctrine is everywhere in Paul, but it is even more forthrightly, indeed joyously stated in the epistles of Peter and John.
Christ left the Apostles, as John several times stresses, a great deal of information that wasn’t written down anywhere. The restraint, prudence, and judgment evident in the Early Church’s decisions to be absolutely sure that, when it spoke, it was speaking in the person of Christ Himself are marks of its devotion to Truth Himself, Almighty God.
As for Made in Unz™ guys with all the answers, it is safe to assume that the fourth century had as large a collection of characters who were as devious, self-important, and quick-fingered as today’s know-it-alls are—those, that is, who would persuade readers that their pose of sophisticated insight is stuffed with something weightier than hot air.
False. Sedevacantism contradicts Chapter II, on the perpetuity of the chair of Peter in the church:
I bolded the important bits. Peter persists specifically in the person of the Pope. Not as an institutional ephemerality, but as a perpetual line of real persons “to this day and always.” There can be no secret popes or extended period of absent popes or whatever. Sedevacantism is a cope for people who don’t want to admit that they were duped by a satanic cult that was founded by Swabian warlords 1000 years ago.
This claim also contradicts.
This doesn’t matter because the truth of Orthodoxy does not hinge upon the quality of any specific person, be they patriarchs, bishops, or anyone else (and, in fact, it is commonly taught that even most who claim to be Orthodox will end up serving the antichrist). Papism does. If the Pope is invalidated, then so is papism itself ipso facto.
A critter of your stupidity and vulgarity fools no one in claiming to speak for God.
Yes – the original texts. I struggle to see what would make KJV any more “authentic” than any other translations? It is a significant literary work that certainly had great influence on the English language, but as a translation it left something to be desired – hence great many revisions produced since.
Perpetual line of successors. Yes, the Popes are with us, and we believe they will have successors, but “unceasingly” obviously doesn’t include the time in between the end of a papal reign and the legitimate election of another Pope, Vatican I specifies no maximum length for such a period. Sedevacantists do not believe that the Papacy has ended as an institution, only that Bergoglio cannot be the Pope and no Pope is currently living.
Again, if in 1871 the Italians had removed Pius IX and installed a pretender it would not invalidate Vatican I, certainly none of the fathers would have thought so.
The people who insist Bergoglio must be Pope are the people who agree with Bergoglio about the Papacy: that is to say, they empty it of any authority and significance. The “Orthodox” have no King but Caesar, or the Turk, or the Czar, or Stalin.
Sedevacantism is a cope for people who don’t want to admit that they were duped by a satanic cult that was founded by Swabian warlords 1000 years ago.
And this absurd language you are using is for people who belong to a fringe cult, not people who are interested in the truth. Sedevacantism is for people who understand that modernists have been installed in the Vatican by a global Anti-Christian conspiracy with the purpose of utterly reconstituting Catholicism into something totally different. The Papacy as a Divinely instituted office continues to exist, but we do not have a validly elected Pope at this time.
People who want to understand the origin of “orthodoxy” should read this:
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10273a.htm
No “Swabian warlords” turned the Greeks into navel gazing KOOKS.
There are a lot of people who reject the Papacy who nevertheless insist Bergoglio is Pope and Catholics owe him allegiance. If there were a true Pope, they would insist the opposite, that we don’t owe him allegiance but are “free” to “follow our own conscience.” Leave it to Catholics to decide whether or not a man should be regarded as the Pope. If you’ve created a fake conception of the Papacy (Swabian warlord Satanism), then that is your “cope” for having a religion without legitimate provenance.
This was published after Vatican I:
“The pope himself, if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be pope because he would cease to be a member of the Church.”
Nobody who regards Bergoglio as a heretic should regard him as a true Pope, and nobody who believes what the Catholic Church taught before Bergoglio would deny that he’s a heretic.
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
So who has produced a translation of the original texts?
“It would’ve been funny if Mel said he hopes the pope got raped by a pack of n-words.
Bergoglio does have an unhealthy preoccupation with matters of the crotch, which is unseemly at any age but is downright repulsive in a fat old cleric.
LOLOLOL!
The tone of your lecture is no different than that of a feminist fatso standing at a lectern in a theater in Harvard. The religious and the woke are two sides of the same coin. Both lecture the great unwashed on what and how to think, based purely on text written by people far from the business of survival.
Is your guardian angel watching over you right now?? Have you made the necessary prayers and sacrifices to the saints?
Fucking lunatics, the lot of you.
Not authors of KJV at any rate! They relied on Textus Receptus, which is in itself a secondary source. (Actually, a large proportion of KJV is simply copied from Tyndale, the earlier English translation)
But my point was simply that any translation is by definition not authentic and there is no particular reason to fixate on KJV that I can see. I am aware of the existence of “KJV only” movement, but I see no logical basis for it.
Then buy this copy of the Revised Standard Version, which is fully approved for use by Catholics. It is in fact used at Mass in some churches in England.
If you follow the link to Amazon and buy it new for $21.99, you will have a hardcover version of the Bible without any gender updating or changes of singular “he” to plural “they” and so on. It is a beautiful, accurate, and highly lauded translation that will last you the rest of your life. Take it from me. I own it and use it.
You can even buy it for use with Kindle for few dollars less. I don’t recommend that, though, because Kindle glitches on me all the time,
So you admit you were wrong about the Trinity? It is typical of ignorant people to think they are scoring points when they repeat whatever some half-wit shitlib told them in school.
I think you can say niggers here
Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Kazakhstan is your man. He would be an ideal Pope.
As Christianity replaced paganism during the fall of antiquity, so wokeness is replacing Christianity during the fall of the West. I do not find this desirable, but it is the way of things, like gravity.
I guess this attack on Holy Mother Church— by this cad who abandoned his wife and kids for a young slut whom he impregnated— is all part of Gibson’s mea culpa agreement with the ADL and Hollywood.
Just join a Hollywood synagogue, Mel, and stop blaspheming Christ’s True Church.
As I announced, Bergoglio’s Praetorian Jesuit, PdeCraon appeared, although only a few days earlier he claimed that Vigano did not say what he said. That could be expected from a Jesuit, black is white and white is black. Now we can expect another Jesuit by-product to appear, Shirley the Mad Max Impaler.
King Edward died on January 5, 1066. One year and one day after his death, on January 6, 1067, the Roman Catholic William the Conqueror was crowned king of England in Westminster Abbey.
Then began a terrible campaign of pillage and bloodshed by the Conqueror against the English people, which culminated in the pseudo-council of Winchester in 1070, when papal legates deposed the Orthodox Archbishop Stigand, who had refused to crown William, and placed the Roman Catholic Lanfranc in his place.
On October 15, 1072, the last English Orthodox bishop, Ethelric of Durham, after anathematizing the Pope, died in prison at Westminster, and the grace of the priesthood left the English land, in accordance with King Edward’s prophecy. The last part of this prophecy remains to be fulfilled.
blah blah jewish zombie cult stuff blah blah stuff that only a potato nigger like anglin would care about blah blah spotlight explains your obsession with anal sorry for the loss of your butt cherry blah blah mel gibson.
if the thing the guy in a funny hat said bothers you just roll your 12-sided dice and equip the helm of coloredhate. that’s seriously how you zombie jew lovers sound to us normal people with brains.
Wikiboy, at least you didn’t deny that Justinian, Belisarius and the other Roman emperors were Serbs. In the past few days, I have published several long comments about the natives of today’s Germany, the Serbs, at a time when the Germans, after their arrival from Asia, were still living in present-day France and had not yet crossed the Rhine.
There you can see that ALL toponyms are Serbian and when they were changed to German. You can freely say which part of Germany is interesting to you (maybe your hometown) and I will give you pre-German Serbian toponyms. Just in a nutshell:
Vandals (Wends) were Serbian-speaking tribes. By the way, the Serbs called themselves Serbs, while the Germans called them Sorbi and Wends. Likewise, all Slavs still officially call all Germans ‘Nemci’ (=mutes). So, Wends is not a generic name for Slavs, it is a German name for Serbs.
The term ‘Slavs’ did not even exist before 6-7. century. The term ‘Sorbs’ does not exist and does not denote the ethnic group of Serbs. Before the term Slavs, all those tribes spoke Serbian, from which all Slavic languages later developed. Have a look at my comments in the last few days and you will find a veritable treasure trove for researchers. All the panzers were stunned, and you probably will be too.
“Vicario di Gesù Cristo”?
Bergoglio says himself that he is NOT the “Vicar of Jesus Christ”!
(„Not“ means distress in German).
Not only Bergoglio uses every opportunity to fuck the Nazi Jesus up the bum.
Bergoglio is a child fucker, anti creationist, but a vivid fosterer of Islam,…
(Why should I bother looking all that up…and proof what to whom?)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/9/vatican-makes-history-pope-allows-islamic-prayers-/
Such is his heresy and even worse…
No Pope or Ecumenical Council can do away with
the Primacy,
the Episcopacy,
the Sacraments,
or re-interpret them in their essence.
But they all did and still do and will do!
Since they do, you are the Primacy, you are the Episcopacy and the worker of the Sacraments.
Such, a Sedis-Vacantist sees the Apostolic Sea empty because of the changes made by evil priests & politicians including the impostering councillors in the Second Vatica Council, the fake (untrue) teachings of the popes before the Council and therefore are heresies. Popes & Cons who defended the teachings of the Second Vatican Council are heretics; and they do with the law of fists.
According to your Catholic doctrine, the pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals.
A heretic cannot be a valid pope under any circumstances.
A pope loses his office ipso facto as a result of heresy due to „the absolute temerity of the magisterium“.
I would not really know what a Hutton Gibson was or not and who cares anyway?
Every Catholic is a Sedis-Vacantist by birth.
(Figure that one out or not; I got to go and do some real work…)
Papacy is not an ideal. It is failure per se. It always ends in death. Thanks Go(o)dness!
A brief history of the negotiations between the Orthodox and the Latins at the Council of Florence (1439), or, de facto history of the capitulation of the Orthodox. The Orthodox had to accept the teaching of the Latins known as “filioques” about the descent of the Holy Spirit and His descent from the other two hypostases. And then they had to declare that the filioque, as an addition within the Creed, has always been canonical and blessed. With this alone, all the objections of the Greeks since the time of Patriarch Photios, as well as all the works of St. Mark of Ephesus, and all the decisions about not changing the Creed that were made at the Third and Fourth Ecumenical Councils.
It should be emphasized that not all Roman popes approved the filioques, and a few considered the introduction of an addition to the Creed completely uncanonical.
Furthermore, the Orthodox were required to accept the Latin teaching regarding the consecration of the Holy Gifts and to reject their own teaching, which was presented during the performance of the Holy Liturgy of the Eastern Church. In addition, the Latin attitude was also expressed in their statements regarding the liturgical practice of the Eastern Church.
And finally, the Orthodox had to sign and accept the declaration on papism, formulated as follows:
“We declare that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff have primacy on the whole earth, and that the Roman Pontiff is the successor of the blessed Peter, the leader of the Apostles, and that the vicar of Christ, head of the whole Church, shepherd and teacher of all Christians; and that our Lord Jesus Christ in the image of St. Peter gave full authority to guard, direct and manage the entire Church, as stated in the decisions of the Ecumenical Councils and in the holy canons.”
The Orthodox were forced to accept purgatory in the same way.
And so Orthodoxy should have ceased to exist. Even more painful was the fact that Orthodoxy was sold, not just betrayed. When the majority of the Orthodox delegates learned of the completely unacceptable demands of the Vatican, some of the supporters of the Union asked the Pope to openly inform them what advantages Byzantium would have from the Union. The Pope came out with the “business” side and offered the following:
The Vatican will find and arrange a way to send the Greek delegates back to Constantinople.
300 soldiers at the Pope’s expense in Constantinople to defend the city against the Turks.
Two ships in the Bosporus to defend the city.
The Crusaders will pass through Constantinople.
The Pope will rally the Western rulers to help Byzantium.
The last two promises were only theoretical. However, when the negotiations came to an impasse, and when the emperor himself was ready to break off further negotiations, the whole matter was resolved by the four Metropolitans, the promoters of the Union; and everything ended with a celebration given by the Pope; theological disagreements over the privileges of the Roman see were settled over glasses of wine.
And finally, the end of the Parliament came. The Decision on the Union was written in which the Orthodox rejected Orthodoxy and accepted all the Latin formulations and innovations that had recently appeared among them, such as the doctrine of purgatory. An extreme form of papism was also accepted, thus rejecting the basic ecclesiology of the Orthodox Church. All the Orthodox delegates accepted and signed the Union, either in their own name, or in the name of the Eastern Patriarchs, whom they represented.
The signing on July 5, 1439, was accompanied by a triumphal service, and after the official announcement of the Union, read in Latin and Greek,
the Greek delegates kissed the Pope’s knee.
John Wycliffe Bible
Why does the Vatican hate the Serbs and why since Florence council organized several genocides against Serbs?
In the 15th c., during the invasion of the Turks, the Orthodox countries were the first to be attacked. Since they could not defend themselves, they asked Western Christians for help. Instead of helping them, the Vatican greeted them with blackmail – they were promised help on the condition that they sign a union with the Catholic Church, that is, that the Orthodox Church recognize the supreme authority of the Vatican.
The Council was scheduled in Florence in 1439. According to sources, all Orthodox patriarchs and representatives came, even Russian ones. All, except Serbian. According to historical sources, the ruler of Serbia at the time, told the Serbian church leader that he would hang him if he went to Florence.
In the mentioned year, the union with the Vatican was signed by all Orthodox religious leaders, except for the Serbian one. After learning that Serbia had opposed the powerful Vatican, because of the shame it had caused to Russia, the Grand Duke expelled his patriarch.
Sources say that there were also riots in Constantinople after it was learned that the Serbs had not signed the union. At the request of the people, the Ecumenical Patriarch had to step down, and because of the collapse of the union, the Vatican never forgave the Serbs.
Since then, the age-old hatred towards Serbs begins. The fact that only the Serbian Orthodox representative refused to come to that gathering had a great resonance in the Orthodox world and the people.
It can be concluded that the Serbs saved Orthodoxy from destruction. It was such a historical moment when the Vatican managed to gather all the signatures (including the Russian ones) so that the Orthodox accepted Catholicism and its doctrine and de facto renounced their own existence.
It was obvious that the Byzantine emperor, the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Vatican Pope were on the same task. All the signatures, except the Serbian meant renunciation of the Orthodox faith and support for the Vatican to rule the whole world. If the Serbs had signed like everyone else, now all Orthodox countries, including Russia, would be Catholic.
It’s funny, this Pope of Rome stuff and this Goglio stuff. It reminds me of Judaism, a diabolical invention. Neither can be genuine.
I don’t want to muddy the water but I think I have a couple of points that everyone should know if by chance they don’t know.First of all the Latin Bible was first translated by Jerome about the year 400 from the original languages and ,believe it or not, Jerome was a Bosnian or from somewhere around Bosnia.The other thing is that most people believe that the N.T. was written in Koine Greek. The etymology of Koine Greek shows that it was actually Koine Slavic Macedonian. This is because Alexander the Great conquered Egypt about the year 200 B.C. and the Middle East up to India and taught all the people to speak in Slavic Macedonian,not in Greek because Greece did not exist until about 1830.The Bible was only translated into Western European languages (except the Latin Bible) starting about the 14th. century. So all Christians should now have a better understanding of Biblical words such as Apostol (not Apostle) and Apokalipse and just about everything else in the Bible. To check this out, study the etymology of Greek.
Insanity takes many shapes
The KJV is the masonic bible. King James I, the most prominent faggot of his time, a cruel and fucked up guy by all accounts, and a man believed to have ties to freemasonry, commissioned it.
Catholics, like other Christian churches in the US, aid and abet the invasion of savages from the turd world, believing God will reward such actions and let them into Heaven, no matter the Hell it creates here on Earth.
https://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/what-we-do/immigration-services/
Catholics, like other Christians, hate Whites and White civilization, and work to see it destroyed. Any Whites supporting these organizations are race traitors.
The terms ‘Bosnian’ and ‘Macedonian’ are artificial and did not exist, especially not at that time. Jerome was a Serb just like Alexander the Great. The rest is more or less correct.
I am a Pagan. I was raised as a Methodist, but as I learned REAL history, I found my way home to MY AUTHENTIC racial faith. I had begun to read the Bible as an adult, and was disgusted and repelled by almost everything contained there-in. One of the MOST repulsive elements is the doctrine of “born guilty” because one is created from the sexual intercourse of one’s parents, which is the biological REALITY of reproduction. The “born guilty” doctrine is EVIL, mentally and spiritually sick, and completely, 100% WHOLLY Anti NATURE and anti physical, biological REALITY
If Stalin’s “Orthodox” troops had moved into Italy and set up a “Pope” in the Vatican, who tend went on to disclaim the Papal authority and to assert the Orthodox and Reformers and Communists are basically right, wouldn’t the “Orthodox” be jeering at us beside the enemies of God the same “see we’ve disproved your religion, you can’t be without a Pope, and he’s with us!” (I suspect anyone chosen by Stalin would be far less brazen than Bergoglio – although the state “Catholic Church” in China – also approved by Bergoglio – is pretty harshly Anti-Catholic.) And the Old Catholics (they were always liberals) might well reconcile with a Pope set up by Stalin.
These people (together with their friends, the jeering schismatics of the East and the heretical sectarians of the West – they all unite in jeering at the Catholics – notice, they’re more against sedes than against Bergoglio – Bergoglio is saying and doing what they want him to say) who think they’ve achieved the injunction of Voltaire “Écrasez l’infâme” have not and cannot succeed, even if westerners are dumb as posts about who is pulling the strings of the Vatican today, with the people controlling Europe no longer giving the Republic of St. Peter any real sovereignty. (with the forced resignation of Benedict XVI – there is not even the appearance of any independence in the Vatican anymore, Bergoglio dare not criticize the Zionists).
Don’t endorse the Dimonds or their ideas in general, but they make an interesting argument about King David being promised perpetual successors:
Video Link
Ignorant people, ( such as boomers who became hippies and then reverted into quasi-heretical sects like Opus Dei), can’t be expected to call out Anti-Catholic Bergoglio for what he is. The Church nevertheless remains.
You are creating a strawman. My remarks did not concern the various translations of the Bible. You stated that Jesus Christ did not raise His own body. The verses in John confirms that He did. You deny the nature of God being of a triune nature. I recommend that you do a search of all the verses in the New Testament that demonstrate the three personalities through which God reveals Himself. There are many verses in the Old Testament that reveal God’s nature as plural.
Genesis 1:26 says, “Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.’” Genesis 3:22 states, “And the LORD God said, ‘The man has now become like one of us.’” There are other passages in the Old Testament in which God refers to Himself using plural constructions. It is also interesting to note that Elohim, one of the primary titles of God in the Old Testament (occurring over 2,500 times), is in the plural form. You don’t like the Trinity, but it is a fact. God has spoken.
Look at the expression of disgust on Mel Gibson’s face, being forced to commit an act against his will, a false mea culpa.
Mel is a smart man…
Let’s not forget Bishop Williamson who dared to poke holes in that “holiest of holy” events, the phony, contrived so-called jewish “holocaust™”.
Williamson also “paid the price” for attempting to disseminate TRUTH.
May God bless both Bishops Vigano and Williamson.
I think you’re confused. I only, sincerely, asked you which Bible you used. I did not make any comment about the resurrection of Christ. That was someone else.
Video Link
Why is it people who sometimes say true things, like these guys, are also insane? Can’t they find a sane one to say such things?
In Chaucer’s The Canterbury Tales, the Pardoner admits to being vice-ridden but claims that he can tell a moral tale nonetheless. It seems to me that in a rather similar way, Gibson might possess insights into the current Papacy without being some kind of moral exemplar himself. The Pardoner is a rather enigmatic figure.
It seems to me that it is often people who are a bit cracked themselves who dare to point out that the emperor has no clothes. The sane ones are too intimidated or are prone to “whatya gonna do?”
Yes, thank you; the church or sincere faith remains in loyal souls like good Pierre.
In a nutshell
Why do you say he is a Serb when all the coins say Makedonon,i.e. he is a Macedonian.
That’s my impression as well, although I’m no expert. Seems a continuation of the Elizabeth, Dee, Bacon, Shakespeare project for world domination.
“Personalities” aside, I’ve always felt it best to “follow Christ” when in doubt and Jesus prayed to Father. Did he ever pray to Holy Spirit? Did he ever pray to “the Son”? What is the meaning of one “personality [of God]” praying to another “personality [of God]”?
Do take the time to refute “point by point”.
Here’s a mountain of evidence documenting Señor Jorge’s heresies: https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/jorge/msg943526/
You don’t sound like “normal people with brains” tho…
Who here is for the BDS movement? I’d like to get a sense of the principles of the commenters here. If I don’t get a response, that will be telling.
Get serious. Regardless of whether you are a Pole or a so-called ‘North Macedonian’, you surely know as well as the last dumbas panzer that Jerome from the 4th century AD cannot be a so-called ‘Bosnian’, since that political term was appropriated by some Muslim converts about 30 years ago, after renouncing their previous name ‘Muslims’ (to please and deceive the Western dumbas exceptionalists – lol), with a capital ‘M’ as the name of a nation, not a religion, with which the communists declared them an artificial nation, although they do not have a single prerequisite for that, but they served the communists as an anti-Serbian weapon in the past, as well as the modern Zionists and globalists today (like the Croatian Catholics).
The same applies to the alleged Macedonian Alexander (who was not Greek but Serbian), and if you are interested in the origin of the ‘Macedonian’ name itself, feel free to ask.
In any case, you noticed well that ‘apostol’ (apostle) is a Serbian word, which I already explained to the reader Aposotolos that he should be proud of his name of Serbian origin.
Aint that America?
The Douay-Rheims is what you want. Its the direct translation of the Vulgate, produced by the English in exile in France: N.T. completed in 1584. Its been the official Catholic English translation from that time untill 1970s. Its absolutely beautiful in language and reads much like the King James which is not surprising as they were produced, seperately of course, at the same time. It retains the depths of meaning newer translations fail at.
The true religion: selling Bibles by Amazon.
LOL!
Politics is for people too homely for Hollywood. Being a member of the clergy is for those too homely for politics.
If Jorge Bergoglio weren’t wearing his white, silk frock, more would ignore him than already do.
Send him/her a link to another site from which he/she can buy it if your priorities are offended. The plain fact is that if people took the Bible seriously, especially the New Testament, Bezos’s racket would take a hit from which it would never recover.
Chacun à son goût. As it happens, I don’t agree. Nor shall I be drawn into the “one translation is prettier than the other” game. There is no evidence that it was ever Jerome’s intention to permanently suppress translation from Hebrew sources for the Old Testament or Greek sources for the New. The fact is that widespread translation into vernaculars was not foreseen in the fourth century. Bede’s translation was still more than three hundred years in the future.
Moreover, to jump ahead to the twentieth century, Catholic Biblical scholars had been active in the field—often in the literal sense—when Pius XII removed restrictions on using Hebrew and Greek originals, a change that met with universal rejoicing among the most devout members of the hierarchy in those halcyon days.
The RSV-CE, NRSV-CE, the Jerusalem Bible (the original one), and the unfortunately not quite completed CCD translations are all splendidly readable and 100 percent authentic and approved. So too is the old Challoner-Rheims translation, still widely used for English Epistle snd Gospel readings at fully Traditional pre-Vatican II Mass celebrations by SSPX priests, diocesan Traditionalist priests, and other independent Traditionalist priests.
The original Douay-Rheims translation, from the late sixteenth century, is another story, however. Although it remains a legitimate version for Catholics to read, one of the reasons that Archbishop Challoner and, a century later, the CCD wanted to revise it thoroughly is that it is chock full of errors of translation. There is also the fact that it is substantially more unintelligible to modern readers of English than even the slightly younger KJV is.
Who appointed you the local Big Shot, newbie?
If you wish to discover what habitués of this site think, first learn how to read, and then put that useful skill to use hereabouts. It’s an approach that has proved successful for many old-timers and many who look to become old-timers.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Would it though?
Nor am I catholic, and I think that is what makes it easier for me to appreciate Vigano getting uppity and stepping out of line to speak truth.
NOT TRUE no 1 ‘apostol’ (apostle) is a Serbian word, which I already explained
Is very funny (almost weeping hillarious) indeed to think that Hellenic language evolved from a supposedly ancient Serbian one and then instead of progressing (Serbian) it regressed so badly that given time it will revert back in grunts.
Makes (non)sense together with all other il(l) logical contructs of brother Odyssey who still cannot give a plausible etymology of all Hellenic words.
NOT TRUE no 2 Sirmium was never and in any sense a major Roman capital.
At the times of Roman tetrarchy Illyricum capital was having a population of less than 100.000 and in the same region Thessaloniki had 200.000
Oriens capital Nicomedia had 200.000 and in the same region Pergamos and Antiochia over 200K
Italia et Africa capital Mediolanum close to 100K and in the same region Rome close to 1Mil and Aexandria over 700K
Galliae capital Augusta Treverorum (Triers) substantially less than 100K
(to be continued)
https://www.unz.com/article/the-saddest-story-never-told/?showcomments#comment-6657571
Historical maps of the Roman Empire show the geographical center of the Roman Empire (between York in England and Persia), modern Serbia, as an almost uninhabited area. And there was the main capital of the Roman Empire, declared by Diocletian – Sirmium, where 17 Roman emperors were born. Diocletian spent his whole life there and was only in Rome for ten days. In Sirmium, there were 12 factories that minted coins since the time of Alexander the Great, who minted 250 tons of gold.
The first Christian diocese was created in Sirmium in 34 AC and it was there until 441 AC when it was moved to Salona in Dalmatia during the wars of Attila. The city had a larger Coliseum than Rome. Diocletian retired there (the only emperor to retire voluntarily) and in a village he grew cabbage.
Thanks for the admission about being unwashed. It explains one of your characteristics.
If any of those still reading this thread retain a lively interest in Archbishop Viganò’s letter, they might enjoy this paragraph-by-paragraph synopsis of its points by an admiring Bishop Richard Williamson.
The bishop’s epigraph for the letter as a whole is
“With some of the arguments one may not agree,
But here is a Catholic spirit, faithful and free.”
Bishop Williamson indicates his belief in the especial importance of five of Archbishop Viganò’s paragraphs by setting their synopses in boldface type. They are as follows:
Are you stealing the identity of the Sorbs again, who have R1a-predominant genetics unlike the Serbs? According to Wincenty Kadłubek’s chronicle, the Vandals were Poles and Polish rulers fought against the Roman Empire over 2,000 years ago.
And I have one more surprise for you. Well, your fairy tales with Serbian names in Poland have a much stronger competitor – Dutch names.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olendry
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olędry_(ujednoznacznienie)
Of course, the fact that there are allegedly Dutch and allegedly Serbian or Sorbs names in Poland does not mean that Poles are Dutch or Serbs or Sorbs.
In the past, Poles called themselves Lechs, Vandals (as the typical Polish names Lech and Wanda sound to this day) and Sarmatians.
Polish chronicles say that Poles led by Leszko III fought against Alexander of Macedon. They never mentioned that Alexander was a Serb.
@Pierre de Craon:
I have more experience with life than you could ever have, Agent of Vril.
Before you start debasing another person, why don’t you give your credentials? I’ll surely give you mine, and then we can have a discussion on what makes for good reading.
In the meantime, why don’t you answer a simple question that only Agents and idiots could get wrong: Who do you think killed JFK? I always start off with this one to see who’s a fraud.