Let it begin. Bishops should declare their dioceses as autonomous territory, independent of Vatican oversight. We’ll get countless co-equal Roman Catholic churches, until such time that a pope exists who upholds Roman Catholic dogma and tradition. Francis should also cut out Viganò’s tongue, and he can be the first saint of the post-Vatican Church.

LOLOL. Fuck the pope. Fuck the bishops, and all the pedophile faggot priests. This guy probably played tickle ass with a young seminarian or two. By some estimates, up to 60 percent of the clergy are faggot boy fuckers. It’s been that way for centuries.

More than likely though, he’s just going to join one of the existing sedevacatist groups.

Sedevacantism is illegitimate. It’s pseudo-Christianity like Protestantism. I was thinking he might go East and join the Orthodox Church, which along with Rome, is part of the Apostolic church (i.e., legit).

I am a huge fan of Carlo Viganò and this whole episode and excommunication saddens me. But Viganò was in the wrong. EMJ also said this on his dhow yesterday.

Viganò has to defer to Church authority. Schism comes from lack of charity. Ultimately it’s the work of the devil with its fundamental principle of sola ego.

Viganò needs to comes his senses, ask for forgiveness and then petition the Pope to lift the excommunication.

Then he really needs to ingrain St. Ignatius of Loyola’s “Rules of Thinking with the Church” into his heart, mind, and soul.

“If we wish to proceed securely in all things, we must hold fast to the following principle: What seems to me white, I will believe black if the hierarchical Church so defines. For I must be convinced that in Christ Our Lord, the bridegroom, and in His spouse the Church, only one Spirit holds sway, which governs and rules for the salvation of souls. For it is by the same Spirit and Lord who gave the Ten Commandments that our holy Mother Church is ruled and governed.”

—St. Ignatius of Loyola, Spiritual Exercises, Rules for Thinking with the Church, #13

Excommunication is first and foremost an instrument for correction, for mercy— albeit, a severe mercy— with the purpose of bringing the heretic, or in this case the schismatic, back in the good graces of Sancta Mater Ecclesia.

In the famous case of the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney, S.J. in 1949, whom a Harvard undergrad by the name of Robert F. Kennedy had a part in, it too was an issue of ignoring Church authority. Feeney stubbornly held to the principle of extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. Like Viganò, Feeney was not excommunicated for his position but for ignoring the summons to Rome to make an account of his position.

Feeney reconciled with the Church just 6 years before his death. Viganò is 83, let’s hope he comes to his senses quickly, asks for forgiveness, and comes back into the loving embrace of Holy Mother Church. Or at the very least make his way into the Orthodox Church.

So basically 1984… black is white, 2+2=5, as long as Pope Big Brother says so.

That’s some of the worst reasoning I’ve ever heard. I expect better from the founder of the Jesuits.

Vigano has imtegrity, intellegence and resolve.
Recognizes the corruption that is embedded in the Catholic Church and the hypocrisy that is expressed almost any time the pope opens his mouth.

There is a passage from Macbeth, one that Vigano was surely aware of and didn’t want to emulate:
“Why must I be meek and mild with these butchers!”

Why do you uphold the Catholic Church and it’s corruption?

The Catholic Church has to expunge Jewish thinking from its ranks.

Hello,

What you are referring to already exists. It is called Eastern Orthodoxy. Come home brother

Three years ago I was among the first – and certainly the first Bishop – to denounce pandemic and vaccination fraud.

Alex Krainer: Inject Nothing!
https://alexkrainer.substack.com/p/inject-nothing?triedRedirect=true

Charts/Data:
Recovery Rates [ from Adverse reactions to vaccines]
by age
and
over time (1991 – 2022)
https://howbad.info/recov5.pdf

As a Catholic, I’m glad that the pope is excommunicating white people who support Trump.

The Apostolic See has been vacant since 1958 and Vigano is inconsequential in spite of the fact that people want him to be relevant. Only God can give us a true pope, but He won’t, because we don’t deserve one.

So-called Catholics, even so-called Traditional Catholics are a disgrace, and the general population is godless scum which heaps insults upon God daily. God’s wrath will soon overflow.

These videos are great for explaining aspects of the Great Apostasy through which we are living.

Video Link

Video Link

except the Catholic church has been playing with heresy since about the mid-Twentieth century (one has to admit it has been quite corrupt a long time prior to that but that was compensated by having a true doctrine and rigorous theology). The good Cardinal’s conscience would not allow him to obey a church hierarchy that more-and-more is becoming anti-Christ. Yes, indeed the Cardinal should think of declaring himself a follower of the Western Rite of the Orthodox Church (yes it exists). The Orthodox Church being the closest analogue of the one true Church Saints Peter and Paul were martyred for.

Western Catholics who distance themselves from the pope? Nuffin new, they are called Old- or Christian Catholics, depending on the country.

Yet this is the outfit that Fuentes, EMJ, etc. think will “save” America/The West.

“Once we force everyone to be Catholic, then they will have to obey the Pope without question!”

Pope: “Hurray for immigration! White people are accursed! Homos are holy!”

“No! You should only obey the Pope that says what I believe!”

EMJ etc. are only pro-Pope as long as he agrees with them. Cut out the middleman: they want you to unquestioningly believe THEM. This Pope business is just a smokescreen.

I have the utmost respect for Fr. Viganò. He KNOWS exactly what is going on in the USA and throughout the so-called “civilized” world. He is well aware of the fact that the World Economic Forum and its Jew spokesmen are diligently working toward the establishment of a one-world fascist government, with a few at the top, who own and control EVERYTHING. And the rest being their SLAVES – that is, the ones who will be allowed to live. Info on Fr. Viganò –

https://www.globalresearch.ca/author/his-excellency-carlo-maria-vigano

Thank you.

Protestantism is pseudo-Christianity? Hmm. Given that the Pope of Rome is the Antichrist, a fact firmly established in the Westminster Confession of Faith, I guess that’s what all his mental captives say.

Viganò and other Traditional Catholics reject the heresies coming from the current occupant of the throne of St. Peter, not the papacy itself.
Orthodoxy is at its core a form of petulant envy towards power and privilege. Its adolescent resentment towards Rome is rather woke-like – not surprising that Eastern Christians (including Armenians, who are not Orthodox but non-Chalcedonian) have long tended to take to leftism with such alacrity.

There have been some terrible monarchs, many of them agents of liberalism (the Bourbons, the last Shah), but monarchy is still the natural and correct form of government. The fact that individual popes have been catastrophic is an indictment of modernity, not of the papacy. Francis would happily dissolve his own office and give all power to the bishops; his papal authority is only useful to him as a cudgel to be cynically wielded against the opposition.
Should we abolish fatherhood because of deadbeat dads? Isn’t that kind of what leftists intend?

Aechbishop Vigano is correct, this pope is an anti-pope who is trying to destroy the Church. Whether this move ends up benefiting Catholics and stops Bergoglio will take time to see. If Bergoglio lives, I expect him to legalize homosexual “marriage”, divorce and priestesses within a few years.

As a Marxist, I see no reason for any people against the tyranny of the Bourgeois to subscribe to a slave religion, so I guess you’re right.

The Church as it exists today is no longer a Catholic Church. It no longer exists as its own independent volitional entity serving the interests of Catholics.

No. What was once a respected institution has demonstrably become a mere minion of the Zio-Globalist oligarchy, and thus is effectively under their control. The Church has been under assault and these recent manifestations suggest it is actively under the threat of blackmail. And so it can be imagined that what has been communicated to the Church goes something like this:

“We have already shown what we can do with our sanctions, control over the mass media, false accusations and false flags. You know we can destroy you and the entire Catholic Church if we so wish. In fact, we have the means to forcibly seize your assets under false pretenses should you fail to comply and assist with our social engineering policy. We have documents already prepared that show many Vatican treasures and artifacts were obtained from Nazis who stole them from Jews. Therefore, show your submission to us by effectively disavowing your own principles in public and we will continue to allow you to exist as one of our approved entities, or else.”

Unflinching Catholics know that there have been unmistakably dark vibrations emanating from within the deepest recesses of the Vatican for at least the last 25 years. And some will trace its origin back even further to the Second Vatican Council in the early 1960s.

My own opinion – I am not Catholic – is that it was obvious that the Church was slated to go the way of all other Western institutions about 5 years after the Zio-Globalists asserted virtually complete control over Western mass media in the mid-to-late 1990s. At first it was with odd isolated public concessions, failures to assert their own principles in the face of attacks. Attacks which then, without opposition, began to repeat with increased frequency. This was followed by the gleeful media disinformation campaign to smear the priesthood with accusations of pedophilia. After this it was clear that the Church was no longer able to assert itself and had been given just long enough of a leash to manage its own decline into minion status.

And so with the Church no longer under the control of Catholics, it’s only hope is death and subsequent resurrection under the leadership of men such as Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò.

You are wrong…dead wrong…
The “pope” (I use that term for the present “pope” very loosely) is only supposed to provide guidance in spiritual matters, NOT tacit approval of homosexuality, LGBTQXYZ, global warming scam, or any other temporal issues.
Most Roman Catholics do not follow the pope, especially when it comes to contraception and even divorce.
Most Roman Catholics are unaware that an “out” for divorce presently exists within the Roman Catholic Church called “annulment”. This “out” declares that “no (valid) marriage existed due to immaturity” or other reasons. Many marriages have been dissolved using this questionable tactic. Of course, a substantial “donation” in order to effect the (legal) “process” of annulment helps.
The jews and Protestants got what they wanted when they suborned and attacked the Roman Catholic Church from within with the changes wrought by the Vatican II Ecumenical Council.
Fortunately there are old-line Roman Catholic sects that still exist…a good thing.

Don’t feed the self-hating white, and one of the biggest trolls here. But as a Marxist, you’re pretty much human debris also.

There will be no schism because it would require admitting that the papist cult has been wrong for at least 150 years. “Anti-popes” can’t exist, according to the first Vatican council. Bergoglio is the legitimate faggot pope of the faggot papist cult. Admitting that the first Vatican council was wrong would also imply that the papist cult is not the true church, so would undermine the basis of the cult’s existence. So papists are screwed either way. That’s what happens when you make a pact with Satan.

EMJ’s position is certainly coherent and orthodox, but he lost me on that show.
The Catholic church is a disaster.
The institution of the pope has always been schismatic and the fruits are division and more division. The western church has held numerous schismatic councils and adopted a number of schismatic theological principles without consulting the other patriarchs of the church.
The eastern church is full of its own rot. Plus, if you are not a Serb or Rys or whatever you are not welcome. Protestantism is just jew worship.
Face it.
There is no church.
No idea what Christ’s notion is with this malaise but the test is real.
One thing gets you into heaven-a heart that is turned to Jesus and a life committed to him. The Catholic church and its supposed monopoly on salvation sounds like a bunch of hard hearted losers.

It’s very funny that the critical race theorist EMJ has just become a faggot apologist now. This is how the papist cult drags its cultists to hell.

Viganò and other Traditional Catholics reject the heresies coming from the current occupant of the throne of St. Peter, not the papacy itself.

To reject the former is to reject the latter. Read the documents of the first Vatican council. Rejecting “the heresies coming from the current occupant of the throne of St. Peter” is anathema. Those who do so are in direct conflict with the “holy see” itself. Papists must submit to the judgment of the pope, and they have no ability to question his judgement (thus cannot rightfully make accusations of heresy against him- his judgments and interpretations are supreme).

The Roman catholic Church in it’s present projection is an accessory to Organized Crime and sex trafficking.

The REAL Apostacy…

I recognize myself as a human being first and foremost.
Everything, except for sex is below on the hierarchy, and it’s all abstractions.
There isn’t room for self-hating white nonsense.

An autocephalous model, like the Orthodox, for national churches is in order. Also, married clergy, for lower level parish work is best.

But the Protestant, everyman a priest, is absolutely a no go.

To Anglin’s op. This is horrible. Francis had made some nice off the cuff comments that made all the right degenerates mad, but this is no good.

What is being taught in the Church today bears no resemblance whatsoever to historic Christianity. If you’re looking for pseudo-Christianity, just pay attention to the puke that pours out of Bergoglio’s mouth on a daily basis. Rome has fallen, and it’s not even debatable at this point.

Actually an act of God, a real blessing for the man. Set free from Catholic slavery he can now pursue his own relationship with the real Christ and the real Father in heaven. There is only one mediator between man and God and that man is Jesus Christ, who arose to be in heaven with the Father. The best example of this freedom from the false Catholic doctrines was Martin Luther. Germany was very blessed to have Luther make the Bible readable and available to the German people in their own language. (in my opinion, includes a fine performance by Peter Ustinov)

Luther (2003 film)
0:32 / 2:03:22

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Ugly whiteys. Catholicism isn’t for you.

He says many things I agree with, like pro-Russia and anti-vax.

But otherwise he seems to be insane. Why is it always thus?

The Protestantism Reformation was a Jewish revolutionary movement, a psyops and attempted (((regime change operation))) for political and monetary control, with the legalization of usury.

From E. Michael Jones’ The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit (taken from pp. 266-268) [brackets are mine]:

“Luther was a philo-Semite, who in a few years would become a violent anti-Semite, but he was also a Judaizer malgre lui [involuntarily]. Luther did for Christianity what Jochanan ben Zakkai did for Judaism: he turned the evangelical Church into a debating society, in which the evangelical rabbis would offer competing interpretations of scripture with no way of adjudicating differences other than splitting off from whomever one disagreed with.”

“According to [Heinrich] Graetz [in his The History of the Jews (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society of America, 1894)], “The discussion aroused by the Talmud created an intellectual medium favorable to the germination and growth of Luther’s reform movement.”…

“[Graetz] apparently shared Luther’s view that the enemy of his enemy was his friend. Graetz supports the Reformation because he sees it as bringing Enlightenment to North Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Prussia, Poland, France and ‘even Spain, the country of the darkest and most bigoted ecclesiasticism and the home of persecution.’ [William Thomas] Walsh [in Characters of the Inquisition (New York: P. J. Kenedy & Sons,1940)] and Graetz mention Elias Levita, ‘another Jew who did valiant spade work for Luther’s sowing.’ When Luther translated the Bible into German, he, of necessity, relied on Jewish scholars. ‘For his purpose,’ Graetz writes, ‘Luther had to learn Hebrew, and seek information from Jews.’’

“[W]riters like John Eck [b. 1486- d. 1543] …claimed that without the Jews, Martin Luther never would have come to the fore. The idea of Luther as the father of the Jews made its debut long before John Eck coined the term ‘Judenvater [transl. “Father of the Jews”] Luther.’”

Thank you for your most sincere opinion, my dear fellow huh-why nationalist huh-why Bruda.

The case reminds me of nothing so much as of the Raskolniki (“Old Believers”);
never mind that science in the 19th century vindicated them (= theirs was indeed
the original rite) they remain excommunicated hicks who have to hide in
the Danube Delta or Siberia.
I will concede the Orthodox dealt with the Heresy of the Judaizers in an admirable
manner, but that also was long ago 😁

The “priesthood of all believers” is specific Baptist doctrine.

The Greeks had this picture of two jars at the entrance to the palace
of the gods, containing joy and sorrow, from which the gods deal out fate –
but never from one jar alone 😉

To get an annulment you have to be connected (e.g. Henry VIII, Habsburg);
for the ordinary prole conversion to Old Catholicism is the Way – they
nominally recognize the pope (as do the – Lebanese – Maronites and a handful
of others) but allow remarriage.

And all the scandals, child abuse for which the Roman Church is now notorious are the result of “priestly celibacy” being imposed. Why not let their priests marry? And their “altar boy” thing. Why do they have them? Needed? Haha!

He was excommunicated for telling the truth.

Recall that the First Vatican Council had been convened to reassert the pope’s iron control over global Catholicism, after the loss of the Vatican’s immense revenue-producing holdings in southern Italy. Garibaldi and his redshirts liberated the lands and much of the riches of that thoroughly corrupted institution. That Council’s chief legacy was the self-serving nonsense of papal infallibility, a desperate last-ditch defense against the great secular, humanist awakening of the era. This came on the heels of the Papal “Syllabus of Errors” of 1861, which included condemnation of such things as democracy, “rationalism,” and the free press.

The Roman church is about wealth and power, always has been. Subsequent popes were fuming angry prisoners in the little city-state they were allowed to retain, until they were somewhat mollified by the treaty deal they struck with Mussolini in 1929. At Vatican II Pope John attempted to return the church to basics, to clear away meaningless rituals designed to regulate the faithful rather than to nourish their spiritual needs.

Not quite 95 Theses material here, but what if this is yet another forking of Christianity ?

As a Marxist, your opinion is idiotic drivel.

Pope John was an idiot, and today’s Catholics don’t know the first thing about the basics of Christianity. The only reason he was appointed was because he was too dumb to realize what was happening, and could be counted on to rubber-stamp whatever the secularizing revolutionaries wanted.

The strength of new religions/cults/movements is what the sociologists call
“the shedding of the freeloaders” i.e. their per capita intensity always beats the
establishment by orders of magnitude but it´s hard to avoid the cultist aftertaste.
Of course an autokephalous church is by definition neither “Roman” nor
“Catholic”; the “universalist” stuff was necessitated by Empire, and it has not
served us well (then again if the Poles and Irish managed to nationalize their
Catholicisms, anyone can do it 😋).
I´m partial towards the National Church (Schönerer, not Aryan Nation);
– Wilhelm Busch´s Pater Filucius is a hilarious reckoning with Catholics,
Protestants, Jesuits, (((liberal press))) and a host of other things but I´m afraid it
is untranslatable.

E. Michael Jones — who has no problem with replacing the white population with a brown population — gives a cartoonish version of Protestantism. If we didn’t have the bible to look at for ourselves, we would have to rely on Roman Catholic priests who now say that Christians are “wild roots” grafted into the Jewish vine (Nostra Aetate). And Roman Catholics have the nerve to call Protestants Judaizers!

Roman Catholics were the original Judaizers, making Jews members of the king’s court and allowing them to lord it over the common people. They were the original schismatics, elevating their popes over the other church fathers.

If we didn’t have a Jew problem, we’d have a Roman Catholic problem. Neither Jews nor papists should have been allowed to bring their perverted doctrines and wicked subversion into the United States.

The Nordic peoples are freedom loving peoples who reject arbitrary authority and want to think for themselves instead of being told what to think by others. This is incompatible with Judaism, and it is incompatible with Roman Catholicism.

This so-called argument is retarded. Why then haven’t all the incels become chomos? A priest unsuited for voluntary celibacy would go to prostitutes, not molest altar boys.
Homosexual infiltration of the Church was the root of the abuse crisis. Yet still, when compared to other clergy, Catholic priests have been no more likely to abuse children, and when compared to secular teachers they have been far less likely.

And all the scandals, child abuse for which the Roman Church is now notorious are the result of “priestly celibacy” being imposed. Why not let their priests marry? And their “altar boy” thing. Why do they have them? Needed? Haha!

No doubt this narrative about predator priests has been one of the most successful propaganda campaigns and it’s sad to see that even people here act as de facto hasbara promoting it. It was a multi-decade crafted narrative to subvert the Catholic Church and Christianity by (((those))) who control media, entertainment, and the courts. From Marty Baron* to former PA AG Josh Shapiro to former DA Lynne Abraham. And of course, the Judaized Christians (aka, Protestants/Evangelicals) were all too eager to run with it.

* In 2001 Marty Baron moved from The Miami Herald to the Boston Globe and his first project was to take a wrecking ball to the center of American Catholicism, the Boston Archdiocese. He did so by dredging up 10 cases of predator priests and a supposed cover-up. It involved 10 priests in the past 50 years (out of 60,000 priests who served in the Archdiocese over that time). Note: more than half of the ten priests featured in the Boston Herald’s Spotlight piece had already left the priesthood, were defrocked, and/or in prison years prior to the Spotlight “investigation” and article. And of course, the story was made into a Hollywood movie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(film))

I was an investigator in Boston for many years and know the narrative of predator priests is largely crafted lying propaganda. And given what I know about the narrative in Boston, I am forced to believe— through induction— it’s the case nationally and throughout the AngloZionist Empire. The pervasive entertainment and media narrative regarding predator priests is not dissimilar to propaganda campaigns to get us into WWI, WWII, and Iraq, and to vilify Russia, etc. Sad how easy the goyim can be manipulated.

Sedevacantism is illegitimate

That isn’t correct, correct term is insupportable.

Most of them are more Catholic than the Pope.

Then again, they have a point with Bergoglio in particular, that Pope isn’t a Catholic and is certainly a heretic. So, he is illegitimate.

I have been reading a lot about them, and the two traditionalist groups that Bergoglio hates, but still recognise him, SSPX, SSPV (which is a breakaway from SSPX, as the numeral implies, they say that SSPX is too modernist), and FSSP, which was set up to attract ordained clergy away from SSPX in particular, on the promise that they would be allowed to be traditionalists, but it seems that it was just a trap for them, Bergoglio is determined to force the FSSP group to do modernist rites.

I first noticed SSPX because they used to have a mini-seminary in Tokyo, but never a church, though they used to hold services at a few churches once or twice a month.

Then you have the various lines of sedevacantists. Mainly in the U.S.A., but one group in Spain has its own cathedral, which none of the U.S. groups does. One guy, whom I think the other sedes would rather forget, was an ordained priest, set up his own conclave somewhere in the mid-west, and had white smoke emitted from the chimney of a farmhouse as he was elected the ‘true pope’.

I’m getting close to a typology of them, various lines of ordination from various validly ordained bishops and/or Archbishop Lefebvre himself.

The biggest is CMRI, apparently founded by a very immoral man, but their current head seems alright.

The ‘pure’ sedevacantists don’t like CMRI, one of the main arguments is over whether taking mass in a service run by a trad. priest in communion with Rome is or is not alright. CMRI says it is, where necessary, the others say never. They have a term for it, Umo Cum.

Differently lines of priests from different bishops (or archbishops) have many arguments over that, also on fine points of doctrine.

So you are correct, it is much like Protestantism as far as never-ending splits. I should write a typology, have a rough idea of it now, should have been taking notes on the names and branches.

I have a similar interest in Buddhist sects in Japan, though, contrary to what many stupid western leftists and neo-hippies imagine, the Dalai Lama is not a Pope of Buddhism.

Archbishop Vigano is said to have had himself re-consecrated in the Lefebvre line, having recognised the invalidity of the papacy, he seems to have decided that it goes back to V II, so the usual last six popes are invalid. Those who know the details don’t state them as of now, which is good policy.

Sedes have sectarian differences on that, too, only Berboglio, last six, last seven, or back to V I. Some go further, but Berboglio is or last six are no good as the two main opinions.

Have liked Vigano since he started making statements.

Lately voices from Argentina are also stating that Berboglio was sexually immoral there in some way. My guess would be molesting and corrupting seminarians.

Protestants are like the Azov Battalion guys prancing around thinking they’re representing and fighting for some true ethnic nationalism when they are merely only pawns of GloboHomoShlomo.

Also in comparison to Rabbis and Boy Scouts of America leaders.

Don’t forget that the Catholic Church was targeted by armies of Jewish lawyers because, of course, as a vast institution, the Church holds vast amounts of property, just ripe for Jewish plunder. Same thing with the Boy Scouts.

There’s no real payout in suing one particular Baptist church. Or, you know, a synagogue.

The Eastern Orthodox have “long tended to take to leftism”? They “envy power and privilege”? What utter nonsense.

Are you referring to the Orthodox priests brutally butchered by a stampede of Bolsheviks when they took over Russia? Is this the envy of power that you mean? Or do you mean those faithful who founded the underground Church during communism in defiance of the officially “Red” Church that no one took seriously and in doing so severely risked their lives in the defiance? These leftists? When you mean “woke” are you referring to the fact that it was only the Orthodox Church that officially protested Turkey’s “re conversion” of the Hagia Sofia into a mosque and the only Church to denounce the slaughter of Christians in the Mideast? That woke-ism? Please.

Orthodox ecclesiology worked okay until people figured out they could just emigrate to North or South America when the wars started or the economy crashed. Then nobody knew what to do with the “diaspora” Churches because nobody ever thought that people would leave their hick Greek or Slavic village. Consequently, every diocese in the Americas is uncanonical and the “Ecumenical Patriarchate” keeps compounding the errors with its ethnic vicariates.

“Pope of the entire Universe” doesn’t atually make any sense either and the Catholics are following the Anglican/Episcopal arc they just don’t know it yet.

There aren’t enough men who can handle celibacy to staff all the parishes; married parish priests are one thing the Orthodox get right.

The Nordic characteristics of loving freedom, rejecting arbitrary authority and thinking for oneself are not the same thing as ethnonationalism, although they are not incompatible with it.

The weakness of the Nordic man is his disinclination to organize and act on behalf of himself and his fellow Nordics. This weakness is the logical corollary of his individualistic virtues. It opens him up to exploitation by better organized groups, especially Jews.

From what I can see — based on the comments I see on this website — more Roman Catholics than Protestants are attracted to ethnonationalism. This shouldn’t be surprising. Nationalist and fascist movements first gained international attention in Roman Catholic Spain and Italy. Roman Catholic southern Germany and Austria were fertile soil for the rise of Adolf Hitler.

None of those things apply to the situation in Ukraine from what I can see. Ukraine is neither Protestant nor Roman Catholic. But it was a battle ground during WW II between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Prior to the war, Ukrainians were deliberately starved by the Soviets under the supervision of the Jew Lazar Kaganovich. Ukrainians greeted the Nazis as liberators. That is the basis for neo-Nazism in Ukraine today.

You also have to add in an X factor. That factor is a tendency to behave in an irrational, self-sabotaging, even clownish, manner. Or maybe there is a reasonable explanation and we’re just not privy to it. At any rate, the situation in Ukraine is anomalous: Jew-hating Azov battalion serving the Jew Zelinskyy.

The 2014 coup led by Jew Victoria Nuland and Jew George Soros is what led to the situation in Ukraine today, and you are right that the Ukrainians are the pawns of Jewish GloboHomoShlomo. But it’s quite a stretch to blame that on Protestants. Yes, Protestant America allowed itself to be taken over by the Jews. But – as I noted before – Roman Catholics had already done the same. The solution to the Jewish problem will only come about when the competing Christian groups unite – Protestant with Roman Catholic. I understand my responsibilities in this regard. I don’t criticize Roman Catholics unless they first criticize Protestants.

You are correct. the “child sex abuse” situation in the Catholic Church was largely a fabrication by jews utilizing “lawfare”. Notice how the jew-owned mainstream media defined homosexual predatory actions as “child sex abuse”, not wanting to offend the “homosexual lobby”. The jews were “licking their chops” exposing clerical homosexuality as a part of their attack of the Catholic Church.

Actually there are more instances of jewish rabbis and Protestant ministers abusing youngsters in their “flocks” than that of Catholic clergy…

The rate of incidence for sex crimes is about 1 %.

That is Far less than that of Protestants, Jewish Rabbis, Boy Scout troopmasters or certainly Public School administrators. The leader in sex crimes against children is usually inter family related I.e. Step Fathers, Friends, uncles etc.
Jews made a crisis, than brought suit against the centralized Catholic Church and in so doing, forever tarnished the clergy who was their archnemesis.

Free Republic

Pedophilia Only a Catholic Sin?
August 14th, 2009 | Kevin Roeten

Pedophilia Only a Catholic Sin?

It turns out pedophilia is an incorrect term, and Catholics aren’t responsible for most of it.

Shockingly, AP breaks out of their typical liberal mold and reports Insurance companies shed light on extent of sex abuse in Protestant churches, that sexual abuse of minors has been rampant. But in their statement, they indirectly say members of the Catholic Church are not the majority abusers.

AP discusses the raw numbers from three companies that insure the majority of protestant churches in America (Church Mutual, Guide One, and Brotherhood Mutual), and typically receive 260 reports/yr of people under 18 being sexually abused. Compare that with ~228 credible accusations/yr against Catholic clerics since 1950 (documented abuse records).

Together with that information, it is known that the Catholic Church greatly outnumbers any specific Protestant denomination, and the data for Protestant churches is available only for the last seven years. Ever since the first sexual abuse cases had been reported, Catholics have had requirements: 1) police background check done on all volunteers,including priests, 2) a second person be present at all religious functions, and 3) all personnel involved with minors must take routine checks with Protecting God’s Children.

Without a doubt, sexual abuse of a minor is one of the most despicable crimes and sins that man can perpetrate. But predators seem to thrive in an atmosphere where the base congregation is one of the most trusted organizations that exist.

Philip Jenkins, in his 1996 book Pedophiles and Priests, [[link edited for length]], looked at the problem objectively and dispassionately. Jenkins (who is not Catholic) found that true pedophilia is extremely rare, and perhaps more common among Protestant clergy, and is even more common among married laymen.

He found that in most sexual abuse cases (under the age of consent), the behavior is actually a variety of homosexuality. This sexual attraction with very young men that combine the charm of boyishness with sexual maturity is actually called ephebophilia. Pedophilia is really a psychiatric term meaning sexual interest in children below the age of puberty.

The worst sex crimes against children is in the jewish communities and protestant churches.

Tomasi was not reserved with criticism either and citing data published by the daily Christian Science Monitor, which was founded a hundred years ago by the Christian Science Church, said that the Catholic Church cleaned its house, Jutarnji List writes.
According to their figures the majority of the US child abuse cases happens in the Protestant churches and Jewish communities, says Tomasi.

MORE PROTESTANT MINISTERS GUILTY OF PEDOPHILIA THAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS, NEW RESEARCH REVEALS

A Penn State historian, Philip Jenkins, has done an in depth research of pedophilia and sexual abuse among the clergy and has come up with some rather eye opening facts. It seems that while 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy have been guilty of pedophilia (or sexual abuse particularly of boys), a whopping TEN percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia!

This is all the more interesting, notes Jenkins, since there has been NO media term Pastor Pedophilia coined at all!

Jenkins theorizes that the media, proving the point of the necessity of sexual promiscuity, overemphasizes any instance of pedophilia found among the Catholic clergy since it can use this to criticize the entire idea of celibacy. But it is interesting that the NON Celibate Protestant ministers have a MUCH GREATER problem with it than the celibate Catholic priests!

Protestant pastor pedophilia is not within the frame of our social constructionists as Jenkins calls the media:

In the 1980s, [Pastor] Leyva had abused perhaps one hundred boys in several Southern states, but few of us ever learned of it. Leyva had the distinction of being a Pentecostal minister and was, therefore, not within the frame of those who were busy constructing reality. The same is true of the three brothers, all Baptist ministers, who were charged with child molestation in the 1990s; the public learned little about this highly unusual series of cases because it was not deemed worthy of dissemination by those fixated on Catholic scandals. [1]

I visited one of those ecumenical churches, had a friend who went there, and, yes, they don’t really have much verve. Going to a potluck dinner at one was kind of odd.

The Orthodox got the clergy thing right. Married, relatively normal, guys for dealing with regular people. Monasteries for “special” folks or older, retired people.

Orthodox priests never gave me the odd vibes I got off some Catholic priests.

The Ruthenians/Banderites have a substantial Uniate/East Catholic Church
(it cannot very well be the pope, can it 😁).

The eastern church is full of its own rot. Plus, if you are not a Serb or Rys or whatever you are not welcome.

This is absolutely not true. There are more and more non-Serbs in the Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC), especially abroad. I know of a group of young Scots who joined the SPC, and a special morning liturgy is organised for them in English, they even sing in the church choir. There are also a number of Chinese who have joined SPC.

Here’s what Jonathan Jackson says about why he accepted Orthodoxy (8 min):

Video Link

A few days ago, in a neighbouring text (Jared Taylor: The Future of Christianity), I quoted what Vigano said, and two Jesuits immediately attacked me for not telling the truth. It turned out that I was telling the truth, and along the way I wrote two comments about the Jesuits, which may be useful to the one above who quoted Loyola.

I also wrote comments under Laurent’s last text (God, the Jews, and Us) about the beginnings of Christianity, which almost no one knows because they are hidden, so it is not officially known where the first Christian diocese was founded, who was the first bishop, what people the first baptised, which Roman emperors (of the same ethnicity) first persecuted, then tolerated and finally legalised Christianity.

Those who read it will see the absurdity of the phrase, mentioned above, about the ‘Vatican throne of St. Peter’.

True, Orthodox priests can only get a parish if they are married, so they usually marry young and have at least three children. They are only allowed one marriage so their marriages are stable, I don’t know if they can exceptionally marry a second time, for example if their wife dies.

Martin Luther and Lutheranism open up a special chapter in the history of Germania’s Serbs. Luther himself was of Serb-Wend ancestry. According to a standard reference work: Martin Luther (1483-1546) was descended from the Serbian stock of the tribe of Lutici.

His ancestral name was Luyt (meaning strong, harsh, tough). Predecessors were forced to Germanize the name to Lutyr, then Luthyr, and finally to Luther. Born in Lower Saxony in a place which is today called Einsleben, earlier known by its Serbian name, Sebenica, which is retained even today in the name of the ‘old town’ district called Siebenhitze.

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You are correct, in the sense that the celibacy requirement meant that homosexuals have always found the priesthood a convenient place to go to hide their affliction from society. But somehow I don’t think that’s what you meant.

Remarriage was traditionally viewed as not ideal. Marriage after the death of a wife was ok, but viewed as a practical solution to a fallen world.

Orthodox have a reputation for being mystical, but in many ways their religion is more practical than egghead dork Western forms. Either God exists, and is a mystery, or he isn’t. None of that clockmaker Deist nonsense. That’s why they are able to handle scientific discoveries about prehistory in a way that makes intelligent Evanglicals have a psychological meltdown. Orthodox would never make a Creationist museum with tamed dinosaurs like the biblethumpers in Kentucky. Unlike Protestants, Orthodox are not part of the Reformation, Enlightenment, or Romanticist movements.

Don’t you mean the passage from Julius Caesar where Marc Antony says, referring to Caesar’s corpse,

“Pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth, that I am meek, and gentle with these butchers!”

By this he means that he had to wait before seeking justice for Caesar’s murder, since the propaganda involved in that act had not yet been exposed, and thus he had no power to intervene, just yet. That would come later.

Thanks for the info. I’m not surprised. When Hitler invaded Yugoslavia, Croatian Catholics set up a quasi-independent statelet and proceeded to exterminate Orthodox Serbs. The Nazis were shocked by their brutality. Or so I understand.

What’s happening in Ukraine with the Azov battalion appears to be a repeat of this, only now the victims are the ethnically Russian Ukrainians in the east who are members of the Russian Orthodox Church.

But of course, it’s all the Protestants’ fault.

As usual it is not as simple …
the West Ukraine had been under Polish (very Catholic) and Habsburg
(unfunny Catholic) rule for the longest time while the Cossacks (rose up
against Jews and Poles 1648) remained Russian Orthodox.
Croatia had been Habsburg too but part of the West since the division of
the Roman Empire; as in Ireland it is impossible to separate the tribal from
the religious; several sociologists meant to find a Catholic propensity for
certain … manifestations but it is hard to say how much of that in turn
is anti-Catholic animus.

The money quote:

if the hierarchical Church so defines

1. as to Bergoglio, if he is an antipope, he can’t define diddly squat because he is not part of the hierarchy.

2. As to V II, it states itself that is was a pastoral council and defined no new dogma, so it can be pretty much ignored wherever it strays from the deposit of faith.

On the anti-pope thing, there are several theories floating around, only one of which needs to be correct. I am no expert on canon law or the other aspects of ecclesial authority, but some of them make sense. It seems a lot of trads take an agnostic approach on Bergoglio, saying it is not within their authority to declare him anti-pope, etc. This is true – the average Joe Catholic cannot declare a pope anti-pope. But he can judge him to be an antipope. Just the same as watching someone murder another person does not give you the authority to officially declare the perpetrator a murderer, but you sure as hell can judge him to be one.

As for calling Vigano schismatic for not recognizing Bergo as Pope, there is a difference between denying the office of the Papacy, and denying that a particular Jorge Shmoe is the Pope. Can’t recall exact time frame, but there was a point where there were 3 “popes” claiming the title – and all three had different saints in their corner. Were the saints who backed the wrong guys excommunicated? No.

Croatia had been Habsburg too but part of the West since the division of the Roman Empire …

LOL! Croatia never existed either as any kingdom or as any country until 1941 AD, when it was illegally self-declared a country [1] – those are just your lies and projections – all fiction. Balkan area was ruled by the Roman Empire until Serbs rose up and freed themselves from the RE yoke – that is how RE fell. You became a country officially in 1992, after your illegal declaration of independence in 1991 when you started the civil war in YU by attacking Yugoslav National Army barracks and soldiers and Serb civilians.

Today, you are known as Contemporary Nazi Croatia [2][3].

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Your fake history was invented by Ivan Kukuljević Sakcinski, who particularly liked Serbian history and wanted to steal it. Later, together with a few Roman Catholic priests, he will invent a series of Croatian kings, unearth many false findings… all of which we had the opportunity to see in your fictional TV series “Croatian Kings”.

Bašćanska plaque was “found” by Ivan Kukuljević Sakcinski. However, the latest analyzes have shown that the plaque is a forgery.

Pacta Conventa is also a forgery. Even Croats admit that!

Re Višeslav’s baptistery: Croatian Professor from Zadar [4] – Croatian prince Višeslav never existed! Professor emeritus of the University of Zadar, Nikola Jakšić, raised the dust with his research dedicated to the baptismal font of Prince Višeslav from Nin, which in Croatian historiography was considered an authentic monument of the Christianization of Croats. His conclusion is that Višeslav’s baptistery is not from Nin, that it was not created in Croatia but in Venice by order of the Venetians and that it was not intended for Croats, but for one of the principalities on the eastern coast of the Adriatic. Moreover, he believes that the mythical baptismal font of the Croats never really was, and that Prince Višeslav was never a Croatian prince, but “some Slovenian”.

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Also, and as you know, Croats are religious converts – descendants of Serbs that converted to Catholicism. E.g. in 1890 AD, Serbian Party won the election in Dubrovnik! Serbs are indigenous people to the Peninsula! Pseudo-Porphyrogennetos claims are false and a Vatican forgery.

You are welcome!

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[1] WW2 – Independent State of Croatia | Nazi Croatia | NDH – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia

[2] 2007 – Croatian Nazi salutes, caps and shirts at 2007 concert of the Nazi singer Marko Perković -Thompson celebrating Croatia’s 1995 mass-murder and expulsion of the Orthodox Christian Serbs
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[3] 2022 – Croatian Nazi Dinamo Zagreb fans performing the Nazi salute in the streets of Milan. | Twitter

Dinamo Zagreb fans with the Nazi salute in Milan. Absolutely disgraceful. pic.twitter.com/EaDvr5Bn1n

— Barstool Football (@StoolFootball) September 14, 2022

[4] Professor from Zadar (Nikola Jakšić): Croatian prince Višeslav never existed
https://lat.rtrs.tv/vijesti/vijest.php?id=260557

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I meant that Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox countries seem to be fertile ground for leftism. I certainly wouldn’t deny that individual Orthodox believers have been martyred by communists.