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I don’t think that many of us realized that Carlos Santana is still alive.
There is no worse possible way to find out that Carlos Santana is still alive than reading that he’s bowing down and groveling to trannies after saying that there are only two sexes.
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Carlos Santana faced criticism on Thursday when a video of the musician making anti-transgender comments during a concert in New Jersey in July resurfaced on social media.
“When God made you and me, before we came out of the womb, you know who you are and what you are,” the guitarist is seen saying in the clip.
He continued, “Later on when you grow up, and you see things and you start believing that you could be something that sounds good but you know it ain’t right, because a woman is a woman and a man is a man — that’s it.”
“Whatever you wanna do in the closet, that’s your business, I’m OK with that,” Santana added, before mentioning his closeness to his “brother Dave Chapelle,” who also faced criticism for anti-LGBTQ comments made in his 2021 Netflix comedy special “The
Closer.”
The criticism Santana faced on Thursday prompted the “Smooth” singer to release a statement on his Facebook page, where he wrote, “I am sorry for my insensitive comments.”
“They don’t reflect that I want to honor and respect all person’s (sic) ideals and beliefs. I realize that what I said hurt people and that was not my intent. I sincerely apologize to the transgender community and everyone I offended,” his statement continued.
Yeah, bro. It for sure would have been a lot better if you’d died.
I never wanted to witness an 80-year-old Mexican guitarist say “I sincerely apologize to the transgender community.”
Santana went on to mention that his “personal goal” is to “honor and respect all person’s (sic) ideals and beliefs whether they are LGBTQ or not. This is the planet of free will and we have all been given this gift. I will now pursue this goal to be happy and have fun, and for everyone to believe what they want and follow in your hearts without fear.”
“It takes courage to grow and glow in the light that you are and to be true, genuine, and authentic. We grow and learn to shine our light with Love and compliments,” he concluded.
Yeah.
Either people forget about you and then you die, or you live long enough to be totally forgotten to the point that people think you’re dead and then they’re reminded you’re alive when you’re bullied into prostrating yourself before the tranny agenda.
The dude must have his money, right? He’s only touring for something to do now, right?
I mean, I don’t agree with a 35-year-old apologizing to the trannies. But I can at least understand, they think they’ve gotta get their money. But when you’re 80, and no one even thinks you’re alive anymore…
It’s just really sad, Carlos.
Snake Baker contributed to this article.
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Carlos Santana is an employee of Sony Music &c and there is no way he is an independent artist. We all are fascists now.
Santana should sit in with the geezers in the Rolling Stones and they should sing Javelin Heaving Man to the tune of Street Fighting Man — of course the song should be dedicated to that arrogant World War Tranny nutcake Baby Boomer who thinks he’s a woman named BRUCE JENNER.
Tweet from 2015:
People underestimate the power of the culture you live in. It tells you what to wear, what to eat, how to behave, and even what to think. This is a perfect example.
Maybe the real Carlos Santana is coming out now to announce that he and George Takei have been lovers for years, although at their advanced ages all fags do is shout sweet nothings into each other’s hearing aids.
Got a black magic tranny.
Got a black magic tranny.
I got a black magic tranny, she just about to make me pop.
Yes, I got a black magic tranny, oh shit, I think it’s pre-op.
Carlos is”winning” Trumpstein style.
Cue: Winning by Santana
“Oh Maria.”
Sounds like old Carlos now keeps his balls in a pickle jar on the shelf. Real men don’t apologize for speaking the truth.
Santana and all these other entertainers should follow the Marie Osmond motto: Don’t talk so much about social issues when you are an entertainer…
She does not talk about race, politics, social issues.
She entertains.
i have sympathy for carlos santana, for his daring to utter such a truthful and therefore incendiary remark, demonstrates his truthful and core conviction, to this eternal truth that can never be denied, there are two sexes (genders) and everything in between, quite frankly irrelevant.
this much i know, not so much through his words, but his music, i know, just from knowing how these demons spread their dark consciousness,…. if they can’t attack you, due to your knowledge and beliefs, they will attack your family and use them, to attack you through your thoroughly brainwashed family members, that they then instruct, to attack you but much more importantly, your ignorant and usurped family members.
not all of us are willing to write off their entire family (as i have have), to stand up for their convictions. quite easy for you andrew, to cast aspersions, as you can drift around the world, fuking whores, you have nothing to lose and care nothing about, (i’ll bet my ass you’ve been snipped ((probably, twice, (((so it’s no big deal))), so go ahead, fuck those no good bitches, and lecture us how we must accept jesus into our hearts.
quite frankly little andrew, you’re not fit to carry santanta’s cosmic jock, tell the boll-we-evil, occupation complete.
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You’ve got to change the evil gays, baby.
I did a Santana parody years ago,tho I never sent it off to Dr. De mento.
” You got to change your pantyhose,baby/
Before I stop lovin you,you got to change,baby/”
I forgot the rest.🤔
Definitely. If you don’t have the need to opine about something, then don’t.
On the other hand, I believe that a man is a man and a woman is a woman from the moment the sperm meets the egg and breaks the membrane to distribute its chromosomes.
he was trying and look what happened. he’s operating under his full and legal name, what’s your legal name? young-frankenstein? perhaps you’re not telling us, the full story.
old man Santana briefly forgot who signed/signs his paychecks:
Jews. Then
he remembered.
The correct response, particularly for an 80 y.o. with FU money is, “You can clutch your pearls, lift your skirts, and shriek in horror, but I’m still not participating in your mental illness.”
Being old should mean never having to say sorry for things that have always been true.
Why is everyone so terrified by the ‘transgenerderists’? It is plainly the most sinister, deranged and harmful psychic epidemic of all time.
Will concert singers ever again dare to program the song “Man Is for the Woman Made” by the English Baroque composer Henry Purcell (1659–1695)? So hateful!!
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Man is for the woman made,
And the woman for the man.
As the spur is for the jade,
As the scabbard for the blade,
As for digging is the spade,
As for liquor is the can,
So man is for the woman made,
And the woman for the man.
As the scepter’s to be sway’d,
As for night’s the serenade,
As for pudding is the pan,
And to cool us is the fan,
So man is for the woman made,
And the woman for the man.
Be she widow, be she maid,
Be she well or ill array’d,
Be she wanton, be she staid,
Princess or harridan,
So man is for the woman made,
And the woman for the man.
That is what a fascist society does: force everyone to be on board or else, at best, starve to death.
When Anglo-Zionism was expanding, those fleeing from its heartland could find freedom for a short spell. But WAAP rule has eventually cornered all of us again. Fools like Kevin McDonald will keep telling us that if only we had more WASP we’d free of Jews. That’s like saying if only we had more real Libertarianism or real Communism or real Puritanism we’d free of Jews.
If he has any money at all, something else is being held over his head to force this sort of humiliating apology. Look between the lines: his original statement included references to the “closet,” and his Wikipedia page states he was sexually abused by a man at the age of 10. This kind of history leads to confused sexuality in which people compulsively re-enact their own abuse. Verdict: He has a capacious closet of his own featuring underage groupies – of both sexes.
You’d know Santana was still alive if you lived in Vegas. We’ve had several years of “Intimate Evenings” with him.
So basically this is his version of the Fat Elvis phase. Instead of peanut butter and banana sandwiches, he’s overdosing on buttering his bread on both sides.
so who signs your paychecks, ziggy jr.?
and just so you know, you fucking troll, i sign my own paychecks and all those who work for me, unlike you, i’m my own man, something you’ll never understand.
That’s no doubt just what happened. He got the call from some little kike at Sony and peed in his diaper.
Any man at 80 who’s goal in life is “having fun” is probably still playing with himself and has the morals of a cat.
Does Santana still love Che Guevara like he did in the past?
Not only is he not an independent artist, he’s not even a real guitar player.
He has the distinction among musicians of being the only big name guitar player who is allergic to chords. Zappa had his number and let the cat out of the bag with this track.
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I was a big fan of Santana the band, and appreciated Carlos somewhat, but musicians have always made fun of him as a guitar player. He was always overrated. Still is.
Zappa, all of his own faults notwithstanding, also had Sony’s number before there was even a Sony. When once asked about his thoughts on the music industry, he replied with this gem: Well, the key word here is Industry.
Why the hell would that dumb bastard still be working? He should have enough money at seventy-six to retire in luxury. He should tell Sony or anyone else that doesn’t like his opinion to go shit in their hat.
LOL, “daring and incendiary remark”? He said that a man is a man and a woman is a woman, something obvious and pretty much self-evident and totally non-controversial like, 5 years ago or less. And even today, it’s only controversial because we are in an advanced state of social decay and you can’t even state the obvious anymore. In which way saying that “a man is a man and a woman is a woman” is “offensive” to the “transgender” community? Only in the sense that pathological liars are offended by the truth.
If he had said “It’s the Jews”, then I could understand he was being “daring”, but he said something pretty much lame and then even apologized.
It doesn’t tell me what to do. I only use a pseudonym to keep crazy bastards from calling me on the phone with stupid shit talk or coming to my home and threatening me.
Who knows, but you gotta admit he sounded pretty based during that little monologue.
Yes, Carlos has always been a dumb shitlib shabbos goy.
You can’t succeed in showbiz unless you are willing to become a mouthpiece for organized jewry.
True tale.
Speaking of LBGTQXYZ, there was this real nasty bunch of Latino transvestites who used to roll gringos in Quito, Ecuador in the late 90s. I saw them get off a bus one evening a couple of blocks from Avenida Amazonas in the new town. Three bigass pumped-up Ecuadorian bodybuilders all dressed in leather, fishnets, and stilettos. Probably hiding blades. Not people you really want to mess with unless your last name is Norris and your first name is Chuck.
The local cops dindu nuffin. The trannies were probably giving them free oral services, if you catch my drift.
There’s more to Ecuador than bananas.
dumbo, i realize, as a cartoon flying elephant, created by the same gay nazis, they have in ukraine, you are taking a tremendous risk of being cut loose by your lgbtqucia masters, for speaking your mind so openly (and might i add courageously). thank you for your service to gay nazi’s everywhere, walt is so proud of all of you.
Great radio show from the 80s and 90s. And good spoof of “Evil Ways”.
I had a parody in my head of Sly Stone’s “It’s a Family Affair” at one time titled “It’s Someones’s Pubic Hair.”
Sperm?!
That is So sexist.
I once said “a badger is a badger”
I’m not apologizing, but I see how it may upset some Americans.
“This is the planet of free will and we have all been given this gift”. Free will, what planet has this geezer been living on?
So long as you never utter that sort of brutal Putin-adjacent hate-speech regarding the Mighty Beaver, we’re good, bruh.
The mighty Beaver at work…
The Badger Song (a long time favourite)
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Funny, we need humor or we’ll lose our sense of self.
The hat is probably too small for that.
>an employee of Sony Music
Yeah, but he’s 76 y/o now, and without a doubt already worth tens of millions, so how much do financial considerations really have to do with this? — with such groveling — or even reputation? — I mean it seems easy enough to defend stating biological reality against accusations that it’s ‘anti-transgender’ — J K Rowling and others do it.
Hard to know what to say about shit like this other than perhaps it reveals something about character, and it definitely shows that regarding aberrant sexuality, things have deteriorated steadily and astonishingly quickly since the Obergefell decision in 2015 (Repeal Obergefell — Roll back sodomite marriage).
Then there’s the Theodore Dalrymple quote about political correctness: ‘A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.’
“cosmic jock” Gotta be the phrase of the day! Glad someone still has a sense of humor.
You may have something there. As AA says, most people (really, everyone one but he and his family) thought he was dead, or at least haven’t thought about him in decades.
It’s well know that when people actually die, and this is in the news, cd and streaming purchases skyrocket, at least briefly. this here’s another way to do it, without the downside of actual death. Make un-PC statement, wait a few months (remember, no one thinks you’re still around) for it to surface, outrage ensues, issue apology which (unlike your previous press statements) goes viral, sales skyrocket.
Mel Gibson shows that you can even do it again and again.
He’s groveling all the way to the bank.
I’ve long been fascinated by this whole apology thing. While distasteful and cringe-worthy, it does have a useful aspect: it refutes both Marxism and Capitalism.
No matter how much money you have, it’s never enough for someone to just say, “Fuck you, I’m not apologizing,” like some brave martyr for free speech. They always capitulate, most recently billionaires Ye and Musk.
So no, Karl, money doesn’t determine someone’s opinions. And no, Murray, money isn’t the only motivating factor.
So what does? I dunno, but it seems like it’s approval, not even from one’s peers, but mass approval, the numbers (millions) being more important than quality (NPC’s and morons).Thanks to modern tech, you can now solicit the approval of billions, and keep minute by minute tabs on it. Polls, like buttons, etc.
Education used to expose people to the Stoics, who taught that neither things nor the opinion of others ultimately mattered, but since that’s neither Gender Studies nor STEM, no one cares.
Nice message, bad messengers: two English poofters.
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Carlos has deleted the offending message because he is more afraid of Anglin than he is of Sony.
Well said.
But that’s the whole thing: making people afraid of stating the obvious when the obvious is in total contradiction with the official narrative. Truth and beauty are essential to good so their eradication and replacement with lies and ugliness are essential to evil. Everything meaningful has to be made devoid of meaning and replaced with absurdity. Civilisation is driven by man’s belief that his purpose transcends the physical limits of his existence. Nihilism posits the exact opposite. I’ll repeat it, the West is run by evil incarnate. It is a ponerocracy and it has to be stopped, by any means.
Agree. Shut up and sing.
When NORMAL folk go to a show, they want to enjoy the entertainment. Even if the entertainer says something they agree with, it reminds them of the clown world outside the venue they paid to get away from for a few hours.
That having been said, Liberals and Wokesters love that kind of crap. They go to see Madam Butterfly to wallow in the guilt of Western imperialism.
Santana created a lot of fantastic music that brought and brings joy and happiness to millions. There is stuff he recorded that will last forever.
Zappa created crap. C R A P. “Don’t you eat that yellow snow”. Did I say “crap”? Zappa is not fit to carry Santana’s cosmic jock strap [hat tip earlier commenter].
How do you know Zappa’s “cat out of the bag” was not simply a rip-off?
Seems to me your spiel actually shows Ecuador is all about bananas, in one form or another 🤣
I miss Bruce:
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Soulful technical imperfection is more touching than soulless technical perfection.
And Britten and Pears were notorious bum chums, but even they understood it
One of the few good things about getting old is that hopefully you have made enough money to speak your mind and then tell em all to Fuck off.
Carlos is of course an entertainer and tries to please every fan but he is also an icon, one of the greats and he doesn’t need to apologize for anything to anyone. He has an opinion and is entitled to it.
Stop the groveling Carlos and tell em off, you’ve earned it. I think you will find yourself even more popular for doing so. Peace Mon!
The primary reason why I hate hearing any recording by Whitney Houston. They’re all over-rehearsed to the point of sounding robotic: mindlessness and devoid of all feelings.
How can you have sympathy for an old man who muttered something true, then rolled over and presented as soon as he was ordered to? Once he accidentally uttered the truth, he should’ve been a man and stood strong. Instead he behaved like the Mexican army in the Mexican-American War, turning tail and running. If I had any of his albums I’d throw them in the same dumpster with Bruce Spingsteen’s albums. A man is a man, and a woman is a woman. Santana is now a woman in my eyes.
That first video sir, Gary, the founding member of the Raccoon Federation.
https://youtube.com/shorts/2gTLeq3sRIA
Teh Jews have had Santana’s testicles in a jar since Woodstock.
We should be surprised?
Zappa’s daddy was also a chemwar scientist.
Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.
…also, I don’t recall the shows where John McLaughlin invited Frank Zappa to play, nor the albums they recorded together.
I guess John didn’t think Zappa was a real guitar player… but that Carlos was.
Correction.We are all Palestinians now.
We don’t have the connections to be fascist.
Santana is now a woman in my eyes.
I’m guessing Santana has always been a woman in your eyes.
ROTFL – I thought there was something a bit odd about the ‘fudge rounds’.
NICK FUENTES COMMENTS ON “RICH MEN NORTH OF RICHMOND”, SOUTHERN PAROCHIALISM, WHITE PITY
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uh oh, you may have caught the gay flu, there’s a lot of that going around these days. bruce springstein belongs in the garbage and always has, only drooling jersey idiots, would listen to that dreck. santana’s music is in another universe altogether, i feel sorry for people who can’t see that.
he spoke his mind and received standard cancelation notice, now he could go all deathcon 3 on them like ye (what ever happened to him?). his family was most likely used to convince him, to issue the standard apology letter or be shunned. this is not crosby stills nasn and young trying to bds eric clapton, in response i blocked csny from my pandora station, take that you sellout motherfuckers (yeah, that’ll learn em).
i still respect the genius of carlos santana and his music, for which i will offer exhibit a, a 22 y.o. santana, peaking on mescaline, giving his world premier performance in front of 500,000 people. this is the real reason frank zappa, feels the need to dis santana, he knew he could never attain this level of genius, which is a divine gift. zappa died a bitter, broken and broke, salieri complaining that genius was never appreciated enough.
Robots don’t work now and they never will to the designs of Musk & Bezos & Zuckerberg & et al. The empire needs gruntled workers. The empire needs most of us gruntled.
We are fascist troopers for the empire. Unless you are going to Gitmo or some similar destination. Even that poor guy who delivers you Amazon boxes. He is a fascist trooper for the empire. The empire needs him gruntled most of the time.
For me, the most important thing to remember about Carlos Santana is the anti-white, anti-American statements he has made in the past. Haven’t listened to him since.
the great one’s aren’t trying to polish a turd to perfection. in the word’s of hendrix “cowboys are the only ones who stay in tune, anyway….”
In other news, the sun is expected to rise tomorrow.
In other news, the sun is expected to set in a few hours.
Thanks for posting the video, which I didn’t know still existed.The audio-only portion of Moore’s routine, along with other witty musical spoofs—at least, they are witty and funny to those who are familiar with the musical styles* being parodied—can be heard as filler for his recording of the Grieg piano concerto, which I bought twenty-five years ago out of affection for Moore’s talent and personality. His performance is certainly capable, but I am sure he would have been the first to admit that his technique was not in the league of Arrau’s or Gieseking’s.
Besides being dear friends, Moore and Peter Cook were always a delight to see—no one should risk watching the “Frog and Peach” skit with a full bladder—which is more than can be said for their early performing colleagues, the repellent Alan Bennett and Jonathan Miller.
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*The Kurt Weill parody is a special case, As those familiar with it know, Weill’s tedious music (not to mention Lenya’s dyspeptic singing) is itself little more than self-parody.
Communist society. FTFY.
Not poofters.
It’s bananas all the way down.
So, Santana is a wuss.
This woman needs to bitchslap him.
Well, apparently Santana found his balls after all, because he deleted the apology from his facebook page.
imagine what she’d do to your hero, bobby zimmerman. she’d bitch slap him, into his next phony incarnation.
now he needs to delete his facebook page, as well as twixter, instagay and all social media, good move carlos ditch all the parasites, your fans will seek you out, eliminate all idiots that spread their social media disease, fuck (perhaps don’t fuck, would be more appropriate), all who use these platforms to infect others, with their brain eating disease.
last bit of unsolicited advice carlos, any in your family that give you grief, cut them off, ghost those stupid motherfuckers, leave them nothing to chew on for eternity.
and the u.s. is fraud all the way down. at least they have bananas to eat. positive proof of their superior economy. the fraud sandwich (also known as the wish sandwich) is just like the rubber biscuit (also know as the ricochet biscuit), if it don’t bounce back, you go hungry.
Couldn’t have said it better myself .
Doesn’t matter if I do what they say anyway . At this point the way I dress is racist . Jeans and boots . I drive a Ram 1500 . I’m told I drive a truck because I have a small dick (projection from SJW’s) personally I find it easier to haul my work equipment in my truck vs using a Prius.
My misses is a pretty blue eyed blonde. (White woman privilege) Yep , we’re racist for just existing . So why bother conforming , it makes no difference other than I sleep just fine at night as I don’t give a flying fuck what they expect of me .
Poor Carlos turned into a pathetic little puta.
A rock and roll buddy of mine bought an Ibanez guitar (same as Santana) in high school and used to play a few Santana pop songs on it. He was okay, but by bending over and dropping his pants, he became a chick. Is that hard to understand?
Well at least now we know why you call yourself Old Prude.
A lot of great music was created around the name Santana. Carlos didn’t write much or play all that well. And what he could play well he repeated over and over again. He also treated his musicians, the ones who created a lot fantastic music, like shit.
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Zappa created music you didn’t like. So you call it crap. Big deal. Young musicians who, unlike Carlos Santana, could really play, tripped over themselves for an audition with Zappa. Whereas none of them wanted to work for Carlos.
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Everyone has their own favorite bands, or singers, I suppose. You seem to really enjoy Santana’s brand of pop music, which is fine as far as that goes. I wouldn’t call him a genius by any stretch, but to each his own. And I understand a guy kneeling down when he’s afraid of losing his livelihood. Often, it’s a choice men have to make, and when they make the cowardly choice, when they can’t stand the heat, they become ladies. Very simple. And I know quite a few gals who wouldn’t roll over as easily as this old pop singer did.
TPTB have something damning on Santana, one quick phone call and he capitulates.
All those old rockers were fond of the young ones, certain types kept the negatives after the everything goes parties were over..
Your question is too dull to even qualify as stupid.
I didn’t investigate that closely.
The soulful becomes soulless when repeated ad nauseam. That’s what Santana did.
And Zappa was never a technically perfect guitar player. But he was soulful.
Speak your mind. But know your facts.
I believe Zappa started out as a percussionist and that would explain why he would write some very complex drum parts for certain songs. A well known example would be the song “Keep it Greasy” from the Joe’s Garage LP which has a time signature of 19/16. The drummer Vinnie Colaiuta deserves major credit for playing it very well.
Great comment! Thanks!
Yep! Vinnie The Virtuoso Colaiuta.
He’s playing is insane on that one. And not just that one.
In fact, here’s another.
This Santana vs Zappa thing is getting pretty heavy. Let’s all chill and roll a fattie.
I went to a Frank Zappa concert. I walked out after about ten minutes. C. R. A. P. Life’s too short.
Weasels Rip My Flesh? You like that kind of garbage? No accounting for taste.
In twenty more years, when I am Dead Prude, folks will still listen to Santana, and Zappa will be forgotten.
…… and then back up.
Thanks for your implicit confirmation that your claim is bunk. 👍
You’re a great one for that advice, you cannot even back up your claims with facts 🤣
Whatever floats your boat.
I was shocked by Carlos.
Latinos were still supposed to have cahunas. We looked to them as the last brave bulls standing proud against Globo-Homo. Remember the CEO of Goya when he refused to take a knee? Yet now Latinos, too, are but castrated steers.
I’ve now heard Carlos has retracted his apology. I don’t know if it’s true. Perhaps he was shamed by his bros. Or is to live under the fiery scorn of the Latin woman ever so much worse than ostracism by the Jews?
Putin’s father was a cook, Obama’s real father was a pornographer, Biden’s father was a used car salesman. Stalin’s father was a cobbler and Mao’s father was a farmer. GW Bush’s father was a president and his grandpa a senator. I grew up with one guy whose father was a gangster and another guy whose dad was a police captain. What does Zappa’s father’s job have to do with anything? And why would anyone smoke it?
frank zappa is the anti-hendrix.
hendrix was here for 27 years, four in the spot light where he shone like the sun. then he was gone, leaving behind a handful of albums and three completed masterpieces, that forever changed music.
zappa released 62 albums in his life, none of which would make the top 100 album list, (in my own humble opinion of course).
i sense no element of the divine in zappas music. i never believed in the formula, music=notes per second², that shit doesn’t impress me in the least, it’s not science, it’s art. santana once said he had jimi hendrix to thank, for introducing him to the cosmic ocean of music. frank zappa like charlie, don’t surf.
More ignorant silliness. But that’s ok. Like you said, there’s no accounting for taste.
I actually loved both Zappa and Santana (the band). But the real link between both are the musicians. As in, the musicians who played for them. The only difference there is that FZ acknowledged and respected his musicians and Carlos didn’t. That’s just a fact in the music business. Everyone knows that.
I had the honor of meeting a number of players from both camps and the difference was striking. All of FZ’s guys respected him as a boss and, of course, as a musician, conductor and arranger. But when it came to Carlos, though all were diplomatic in their public statements, at clinics, etc., in private none of them have ever had a good word to say about him. As a musician all CS did was play the Dorian scale – for 50+ years!
Also, in spite of all of his outlandishness, and politically naive worldview, Zappa was a good family man. Yeah, he horsed around some. But he was genuinely loved by Gail and the children., and he loved them. The same in no way could be said about CS.
your description of santana’s mucic as pop, displays your ignorance. santana put that band together and basically invented afro cuban rock and fussion. he introduced a whole new generation to tito fuentes and other greats of that original generation and paved the way for the emergence of reggae to the western rock world.
frank zappa was a talented technician with a huge musical vocabulary, he just didn’t seem to have a whole lot to say.
Santana introduced reggae to people? That’s weird. I blame Bob Marley and even Clapton a little for that.I used to hear black magic woman,winning and evil ways on the old pop stations here in NY. Pop just means “popular”, and he did have a few hits. Now, after he proved to be a chick, I put him in the same category as Springsteen and Neil Young. If you want to call him a “genius”, okay. I just don’t agree with you.
i said he paved the way for the popularity of reggae music, as his music introduced western audiences to cuban and caribbean rhythms and instruments. bob marley’s musical genius and importance was equal to that of santana and became the defining example of reggae music and most reggae musicians consider him to be the greatest raggae musician of all time.
bob marley’s music contains the solution to many of the worlds problems, encouraging africans to unite in the struggle to free their homeland, when he sings returning to zion, he’s talking about ethopia, returning to his fathers land, his father being ras tafari (haile selassi). this is exactly what marcus garvey was talking about, with the back to africa movement and this is why both of them were taken out by the ptb.
eric clapton’s version of “i shot the sheriff”, is exactly why white people should not attempt to play reggae. don’t get me wrong, old slow hand can play like all three kings of the blues, but in the words of bob marley, “in a reggae rhythm, don’t jump in the water if you can’t swim.
Frank Zappa died 1993 and he’s still remembered and listened to today.
you really should talk to the original mothers of invention about how he treated his band, like employees when he fired them all. there was a lot of bitterness there and he really did have a revolving door for band members, even asking micky dolenz to join the band at one point, lol.
zappa was an autocratic, narcissistic, anal retentive (colliope), perfectionist, that insisted on being treated like a primadonna, it was frank’s way or the highway and a lot of talented musicans chose the highway. he was upset that audiences failed to appreciate his “electrical chamber music”, he would hand out sheet music to his band members while conducting them with a baton. frank zappa hated rock music, hated his ignorant fan base, that he felt couldn’t truly appreciate his unique genius and he hated musicians, that did act like subservient employees. why he wanted to be a rock star, i’ll never understand.
Actually, Hendrix and Zappa, though not exactly friends, were very friendly. And Hendrix liked FZ’s guitar playing. His take on it, in so many words, was similar to that of others, that it was original and interesting. In fact, FZ got a hold of one of Jimi’s guitars after he died and posed on the cover of Guitar Magazine with it in the 70’s. For sure they would have worked together had Hendrix lived.
Also, your comment is a strawman argument. “…music = notes per second…” WTF? That doesn’t apply to FZ’s playing at all. And in any event, the comparison, like most comparisons, is just silly. They were two completely different musicians, both of whom respected each others work.
And by the way, I was a huge fan of Santana in high school in the 70’s and saw them twice. And though my affection for that period (especially from Welcome to Moonflower) is still there and always will be, by the time I was 18 and saw him with Al Di Meola, it was obvious what a hack he was. At least Di Meola could take a joke.
They used to call him Aeolian Al. But Santana had no sense of humor at all. He knew musicians were joking about him, about the fact that he only used one scale, dorian, and never played chords. In fact, Zappa made fun of both of them. And even worked with Di Meola after the fact. So, like you, I am a fan of Santana. I’m just not a worshiper.
Maybe that’s the only difference.
However, Osmond is called “racist” by the Left because she is a White Mormon and she lives in Utah, the Left views all Mormons as racist because they aren’t much Black Mormons in general…..
That’s true he had a revolving door. But that’s because Frank Zappa was never a band.
Listen, I’m not going to White Knight for the guy. I was just stating facts having to do with working musicians and the respective musicianship of both FZ and CS. That’s all.
FZ came as is. He knew he was not likeable and wasn’t liked as a result. Aside from that, he could have cared less about being a famous rock star. He was a star in his own right under his own terms. He was politically incorrect before there was a political correctness, making fun of everything from the 60’s Hippies, to the sacred John Lennon, to Jewish Princesses (who in the rock world has ever had the balls to do that?). He brought humor and musianship to rock music.
Carlos, on the other hand, politicized his fame, just as he previously used it to push his religion, both efforts were opportunistic. He also belittled the guitar and turned himself into a joke by playing the same scale over and over again for over 50 years.
Like I said to you in another comment, were both fans of Santana, but Zappa’s contribution to music, like him or not, is indisputable.
In the first place, it’s Tito Puente. In the second place, that influence did not come from Carlos, it came from his timbale player, the great Jose Chepito Areas. Check him out here. What an intro.
I date it to the traveling AIDS quilt of the ‘80s which spent an horrendous amount of time in our nation’s capital before touring the country. The laughable premise wasn’t sympathy but heroism. That AIDS victims were heroes of some sort. I now recognize such exercises to be classic Bolshevik inversion of language/meaning.
Agree. I can’t stand being lectured to by piss ant bands/musicians but will tolerate it when it is someone extraordinary. I had the good luck of seeing Linda Ronstadt before she quit touring and she had to take a swipe at tobacco companies during her act. I was annoyed just until she opened her mouth again and began to sing at which point all was forgiven.
Carlos, Carlos, Carlos: your original statement was spot-on.
Why, why, why did you then cuck and retract?
Who’s keeping your cojones in a jar now?
FFS, you were fearless once. You displayed Big Balls music at Woodstock with your on-fire drummer (Michael Shrieve, just 19!). You and he are still pumping out great music today. You didn’t sacrifice your soul then; you let it sing. Why sacrifice it now by sucking up to mental midgets?
Never apologize for being righteous and correct!
Even Jesus disappointment someone.
I’m disappointed that Carlos caved when he certainly doesn’t have to. He’s an established icon. He could also be a role model for young guys on how to protect-laud-defend themselves.
I also like a lot of what Bob Marley created.
And even Zappa had a few memorables, like this:
I know how you feel about Zappa OP, but, ironically, he would have agreed.
He titled of one of his albums “Shut Up and Play Your Guitar.”
Like him or not, you’ve gotta admit, that’s one of the best album titles ever.
You know nothing about music though I do love Santana.
You could go even further back in history and date it to the murder of Harvey Milk in 1978 — while the ‘gay rights’ movement was already established, the killing of Milk (as well as the verdict of involuntary manslaughter returned against Dan White) was widely attributed to ‘homophobia’.
Personally, I think Obergefell, which prohibited the outlawing of homosexual marriage, and therefore placed it on de facto equal footing with (normal) marriage, was a more obvious ‘jumping off’ point for all the madness around aberrant sexuality you see today: transgenderism, social coercion and ostracism, etc.
The persecution of Brendan Eich for his opposition to homosexual marriage was a precursor.
Frank who?
quite correct he wasn’t a band, he was a brand. a brand of pseudointellectual, bogus musical pomp, narcistic hubris, that appealed to a certain snarky demographic of lesser/same.
like i tell you, we were both fans of zappa, but now we’re both fans of santana, fify, lol.
di meola, satriani, vai, all students of the n/pm^2 school. when you were 18, you didn’t know the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground and if you claim different, you still don’t.
all right you got me on that, tito fuentes, had been conflating in my my covid ravaged mind, with tito puente, that’s one for you. with that said, who hired him and got him inducted to the rrhof (not that that means anything). come on. you’re making my point for me. would areas, have achieved the heights he did, without the help and tutelage of carlos (who was but 22 at the time)?
you’re still missing the point…
can’t you see, how this is nothing but more self-promotion, he “got hold of one of jimi’s guitars” and “posed” on the cover of it (guitar magazine), like that means anything, other than he posed, to benefit himself. what did hendrix ever say about jimi while he was still alive? more importantly what did hendrix, ever say about zappa? the fool most likely, thought he was greater than the king, lol.
Hi notsofast,
First things first. I wanted to click Disagree, not Troll.
Second, I did want to say that, I’ve enjoyed and agreed with many of your comments here at TUR prior to this exchange, and, disagreements aside, I’ve enjoyed this exchange too. After all, we are both fans of the musicians we’re talking about here.
Having said that, I’ll respond to your comment.
Obviously, it could be turned the other way around. In fact, regarding Santana, I can’t think of another artist from that era and in that genre who benefited more from his musicians, management, and promotion, and who showed so little gratitude in return (which made all of his spiritual talk kind of hard to stomach). But his band was one of my favorites in the 70’s (especially from Welcome to Moonflower).
For me, the point is both Zappa and Santana, warts and all, made a great contribution to music in the second half of the 20th century. And on that I think we’re in agreement.
Thanks again for the exchange (it got me listening to Moonflower again, and FZ).
This is the “my house is dark and my pots are cold” Santana. Maybe you should “feel like a clown”
Maybe you “feel like I can’t go on” You’ve “got to change your evil ways”
Neil Young is a sell=out too, even tho i love his music. Fuck him for that. All the great names sold their souls to the joo ghouls. They gotta cooperate otherwise they might die too soon.
Or have their catalogues deleted, or simply taken from them.
They did it to McCartney. Does anyone think that was really Michael Jackson?
Of course, Paul got his songs back. But only after “partnering” with Sony.
He was allowed to make fun of a Jewish Princesses because most of the women in his life were Jewish. Legal term is “Kike by Cohabitation”.
Well said, but will the olive branch be accepted?
Yes, I think his wife Gail was jewish. But it was also the zeitgeist at the time.
Releasing a song like that today would be unthinkable.
Today’s zeitgeist has turned a scene from Life of Brian into a political ideology.
Thanks!
That’s up to him, not me.
What matters to me is that it was offered.
There are only two men in the entertainment who are capable to this sort pressure.
They are David Geffen (gay) and the newly risen and even more malignant entertainment agency head Ari Emanuel. Geffen and Santana go back decades so it was most likely Geffen who made the call the call to get Santana to “shape up and grovel”. Geffen probably did this but only after first conferring with the lesser known but just as powerful Ari Emanuel.
Agency head Ari Emanuel is the effective czar of both the movie and music industries right now. He has total control and can end any entertainer’s career with just a few phone calls after which that entertainer will have all his venues cancel on him.
Ari was the principal person enforcing the Covid hoax on Hollywood that forced all entertainers to toe the line and he blacklisted those who did not.
Ari’s brother Rahm was very high up in Bill Clinton’s administration. He was effectively an Israeli agent in that position and possibly the person who was most likely behind Monica Lewinsky and her notorious dress. He now continues his malignant ways as the newly appointed ambassador to Japan where he is rumored to spend his time campaigning for gays, transgenders and Israel in Japan, much to the displeasure of the Japanese government.
Ari and Rahm Emanuel, what a pair!