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“California Psycho” on Netflix soon

From the Los Angeles Times:

California becomes first state to ban discrimination based on one’s natural hair
By PHIL WILLON and ALEXA DÍAZ
JUL 05, 2019 | 3:50 PM
| SACRAMENTO

California just became the first state to outlaw racial discrimination based on hairstyle.

Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday signed a bill into law that legally protects people in workplaces and K-12 public schools from discrimination based on their natural hair. The new law, which takes effect Jan. 1, prohibits the enforcement of grooming policies that disproportionately affect people of color, particularly black people. This includes bans on certain styles, such as Afros, braids, twists, cornrows and dreadlocks — or locs for short.

Gov. Newsom

Governor Newsom said, “Personally, my hair, like every aspect of me, is amazing: I have American Psycho-level hair!

“But I can see why you people with your mediocre hair want a law making it illegal for anybody to notice that you don’t have superb hair, like, say, your governor has.

“Whatever. Vote Newsom 2022!”

 
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  1. The new law prohibits the enforcement of grooming policies that disproportionately affect people of color, particularly black people

    .

    Does it now. I’d love to see the actual text.

  2. The hair thing is deep in their subconscious. A 7 year old black kid walked up to me and told me my hair was a weave. I am tall and white and male with hair past my nipples.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Their central idea: nominalism, the denial of reality. If all the hair in that kid's coMUniTAH is a wig, what right has yours to be real? The law will make us equal.
    , @anonymous
    Are you Caitlyn Jenner?
    , @95Theses
    Of course it is. Remember this incident which occurred in Rowlett, Texas back in 2015?

    If you haven't, prepared to be enraged:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/29/brutal-rowlett-teen-attacker-now-in-custody-police-say-attack-was-premeditated/comment-page-1/

    Oh, and good luck finding that on YouTube.

  3. Don’t say a word.

    • Replies: @An Aussie
    That first photo the hair has been stuck on and the background spray painted - it's entirely fake.

    I stumbled across the video recently.

    , @Desiderius
    Barber: What’ll it be?

    Third dude: Do me a solid. Preferably platonic.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    https://timelessaproko.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/057e9-wp_ss_20170304_00232b252822529.png?w=557&h=415&zoom=2
  4. Sumptuary law, an ass-backward variant, in which those presumably lower on the totem pole are permitted the most extravagant expression without fear of legal censure. Kind of flips some old-fashioned sumptuary laws, where the boss man was permitted fancy dress while the proles had to keep it simple.

    The Revolution ain’t a-comin’—The Revolution is right on our doorstep.

    • Replies: @Dr. X

    The Revolution ain’t a-comin’—The Revolution is right on our doorstep.
     
    The Revolution is over... and we lost it.
  5. I thought California was a Paradise lost, but now I think California will become a bald man’s Paradise. Did former Governor Moonbeam start this stuff?

    “Nobody walks into a hair salon and says ‘give me the Larry Fine’”.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    The Gospel according to St Danny:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-NeBfY6U4n8
  6. prohibits the enforcement of… policies that disproportionately affect people of color, particularly black people.

    There’s an epithet for modern civ, to be chiseled on its tombstone, if anyone remaining can cut granite.

    Much of modern governance appears to be dreaming up new policy proposals to help out the foundering POC. Not much return on that investment, but not much is gained from pointing that out.

  7. With great hair comes great responsibility.

    • Replies: @alexander
    Hahahahahahaha.........!
    , @anon
    Hair makes the man.
  8. I am perplexed, in what way are afros, dreadlocks and cornrows “natural” hair. Doesn’t this open the door to protections for all unusual hairstyles?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I am perplexed, in what way are afros, dreadlocks and cornrows “natural” hair.
     
    I was wondering that, too!
    , @Daniel H
    I am perplexed, in what way are afros, dreadlocks and cornrows “natural” hair. Doesn’t this open the door to protections for all unusual hairstyles?

    Yes, we can't even school the tie-dyed, white rasta man.
  9. Kamala Harris should sport a fro to balance her 70s socio-political proposals. I for am look forward to the return of disco.

    • Replies: @guest
    I have long thought Kamala's hair wasn't black enough for her to win.

    Obama played the Am I Black Enough for Ya? game much better, but women an their hair is another issue altogether.
    , @Prof. Woland
    Throw some water on her hair.
  10. Budd Dwyer [AKA "Anon000"] says:

    Toronto, what mess.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/christie-blatchford-panicked-reaction-to-students-fight-leaves-14-staffers-off-the-job-at-toronto-school

    Panicked reaction to students’ fight leaves 14 staffers off the job at Toronto school

    The Toronto District School Board’s panicked handling of a fight between two Grade 7 students has left their school, so good it’s known internationally as the public equivalent of a posh private school, near ruin.

    At last count, eight school staff — senior administrators and teachers — at Glenview Senior Public School have been put on “home assignment” or “administrative leave,” interchangeable terms the school board uses for temporary paid suspensions.

    An additional six staff are on personal or stress leave…

    …what happened at this midtown Toronto public school is not a fairy tale; it’s a cautionary story of a school board that has collapsed under the weight of its own political correctness…

    The girl’s mother is suing the board for $1.5 million, alleging the TDSB knew the girl had “been the target of bullying, harassment and assaults by a specific White student” and “racist verbal attacks,” and failed to protect her.

    But the girl involved came to Glenview with some baggage of her own: She’d been twice suspended at Glen Park elementary school, once for bullying a boy about his sexuality and allegedly using a homophobic and anti-Semitic slur, according to the boy’s parents.

    More important is that the girl’s mother, whom the National Post is identifying only as T.Q., had earned a reputation at the school as a terrifying force…

    Apparently, from a comment about the school on a Yahoo story about lawsuit, the school is almost exclusively white and Asian. And in an exclusive part of Toronto.

    Glenview Senior Public School is nestled in the heart of Lawrence Park, an uptown, upscale Toronto neighbourhood known for its winding tree-lined streets, its well-appointed homes and its affluent, educated residents, among them: doctors, lawyers, engineers and bankers. https://nationalpost.com/posted-toronto/joe-oconnor-occupy-toronto-assignment-has-parents-concerned-school-is-indoctrinating-the-kids

    Crazy tale of political correctness and diversity. From an earlier article:

    [The cuck white principal] Sirois sent home a letter to parents, acknowledging the gaps in procedures and apologizing, and admitting anti-black racism exists in the school.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/christie-blatchford-no-one-knows-how-to-fight-the-hysteria-of-this-kind-of-asymmetric-warfare

    • Replies: @95Theses
    "collapsed under the weight of its own political correctness"

    That pretty much sums up the forecast for every Liberal scheme of diversity–multicultural coercion on our culture/civilization. In the end, all these hair-brained ideas of equality eventually come back to eat them.

  11. First you legalise cannibis, then you legalise bad hair days. Got it.

  12. In future America the ministry of culture diversity and inclusivity will mandate that everyone buzz their head.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "In future America the ministry of culture diversity and inclusivity will mandate that everyone buzz their head."

    No, in future America, the ministry of culturr and inclusivity will mandate that everyone white buzz his, her or they head. That way, no blacks will be triggered by the humiliating sight of whites' good hair.
    , @animalogic
    Hope this law enables the balding/bald to sue the State on the grounds of discrimination. For too long have the hair-some (micro) aggressed against the hair-challanged. It's an outrage!
    , @Prof. Woland
    It will help reduce lice and subsequent typhus outbreaks in the camps.
  13. This will have the worst casualties yet.

  14. By Phil Willon and Alexa Díaz

    […]

    Phil Willon

    Phil Willon covers Gov. Gavin Newsom and California politics for the Los Angeles Times. He reports from Sacramento and his previous assignments included the 2018 governor’s race and the 2016 U.S. Senate race. Before heading north, Willon covered Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and roamed Southern California’s mountains and deserts as the paper’s state correspondent in the Inland Empire. Prior to joining The Times, Willon served as the Washington, D.C., correspondent for the Tampa Tribune. At the Tribune, Willon also covered Florida Gov. Lawton Chiles, Hurricane Andrew and the investigation leading to the arrest of serial killer Danny Rolling. He began his newspaper career as the Kent Island correspondent for the Capital in Annapolis, Md. Willon grew up in Southern California and graduated from UC San Diego.

    Alexa Díaz

    Alexa Díaz is an audience engagement editor for the Los Angeles Times.

    Does this mean he writes, she answers email?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I think it may mean he reports and writes, then she doctors, distorts, sanitises, twists, warps, and propagandises....
  15. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Big question this morning is: Did Governor Newsom’s hair product withstand the 7.1 Quake last night? Or is there a hair or two out of place?

  16. Anonymous[732] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m sure this law will not give private-sector employers one more reason not to hire Sharquisha and DeShawn.

  17. Cornrows are “natural”?

    Can whites wear cornrows?

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Bo Derek cornrowed her hair in the movie 10 but it didn't look all that good.
  18. I’m sure this law will not give private-sector employers one more reason not to hire Sharquisha and DeShawn.

  19. Does this mean we can expect to see a lot of Rastafarian cops now?

    And how can braids and cornrows be considered “natural hair”? Surely they are a form of adornment.

    Not that I object to them. It is a hot summer, and if you have long black hair and are doing a lot of swimming, braids or cornrows protect the hair and keep it in place.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    That beautiful Barbadan bitch loves her some beer but good! I like the picture of her treading water while holding a cup of beer above the water. Rianna did a nice photo shoot for some French magazine. Rianna is a mulatto or some mix of some sort. I like her better than that skunk limey Barbadan Cumberbatch, whose slave plantation owner ancestor treated White indentured slaves and Black slaves in a horrible manner.

    Kamala Harris has an ancestor who owned slaves in Jamaica.

    I like beer-drinking Barbadan babe Rianna better than that anti-White oaf Kamala Harris.

    Pro-tip for boobs who honestly discuss race, especially about Blacks: every once in a while say something respectful and complementary about Blacks or Mulattos or mixed people. It softens the edges of your other commentary.

    I challenge any White person who loves beer to see Rianna pounding down a brew and have nothing but pleasant thoughts about her.
    , @Neoconned
    She was a beauty queen on her island. Thought it was funny on Barbados she was considered "white" by her country(wo)men.....

    Anyway as a non Californian can somebody shed light on the rumors Newsom is gayer than a Bill Clinton 3$ bill? Heard that several times....

    The "let's talk about my hair...." bimbos must have lobbied for this nonsense.....
    , @njguy73
    What hair?
    , @HammerJack
    That reminds me. Anti-twerking rules in the workplace are another egregious example of Disparate Impact and White Injury.

    You may think people don't need to twerk in the office during "working hours" but that's because you haven't yet come to terms with your white supremacist attitude.

  20. Governor Newsom said, “Personally, my hair, like every aspect of me, is amazing. But I can see why you people with your mediocre hair want a law making it illegal for anybody to notice that you don’t have superb hair, like, say, your governor has. Whatever. Vote Newsom 2022!”

    Gavin Newsom ain’t got better hair than David Lynch — Lynch lives in California and he built a cave in his backyard for some interview he gave to French television. Lynch’s backyard California cave featured a very shapely naked woman, of course it did, it’s David Lynch.

  21. Ah yes, the African invention of braids, flat, wooly, kinky follicles lend themselves to being braided to easily, after all….

    And the corn-row: what more “natural” style of hair is there? Why, no one should be discriminated against foe allowing his hair to simply grow naturally into corn-rows, as hair will do when let alone…

    My prediction: Look for a lot more hair in food at restaurants, as uppity workers and fearful empoyers alike react to this law’s doubtless chilling effect on hair-nets and such.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    And the corn-row: what more “natural” style of hair is there?

     

    Do they even grow corn in Africa? I think not.
  22. This piece only serves to underscore the obvious: CA is in total free-fall.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    You mean there will be a magnitude 8 earthquake soon?
  23. @Jonathan Mason
    Does this mean we can expect to see a lot of Rastafarian cops now?

    And how can braids and cornrows be considered "natural hair"? Surely they are a form of adornment.

    Not that I object to them. It is a hot summer, and if you have long black hair and are doing a lot of swimming, braids or cornrows protect the hair and keep it in place.

    http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/9impcq-l-610x610-swimwear-bikini-bikini-bikini+bottoms-rihanna-instagram-summer-beach.jpg

    That beautiful Barbadan bitch loves her some beer but good! I like the picture of her treading water while holding a cup of beer above the water. Rianna did a nice photo shoot for some French magazine. Rianna is a mulatto or some mix of some sort. I like her better than that skunk limey Barbadan Cumberbatch, whose slave plantation owner ancestor treated White indentured slaves and Black slaves in a horrible manner.

    Kamala Harris has an ancestor who owned slaves in Jamaica.

    I like beer-drinking Barbadan babe Rianna better than that anti-White oaf Kamala Harris.

    Pro-tip for boobs who honestly discuss race, especially about Blacks: every once in a while say something respectful and complementary about Blacks or Mulattos or mixed people. It softens the edges of your other commentary.

    I challenge any White person who loves beer to see Rianna pounding down a brew and have nothing but pleasant thoughts about her.

  24. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s going to be wonderful in hospitals.

    Next: Super-ugly charver-signaling large-as-plates ear lobe extenders are NOT ground for discrimination.

  25. if there was a safe, effective CRISPR treatment for straight hair i wonder how many black women would take it?

    my guess 95%+

    (far fewer men probably)

    also i wonder how much they would pay for it?

    any enterprising Chinese doctors want to find out?

  26. We are well and truly deep into clown world now.

  27. This includes bans on certain styles, such as Afros, braids, twists, cornrows and dreadlocks — or locs for short.

    I’m not clear on their definition of natural hair. Does it mean any hairstyle blacks want to wear? Many of these hairstyles require wads of human or nonhuman hair pasted on to a mesh cap or tied in to the wool poking through the mesh cap. This is called a weave.

    These hair supplements are quite expensive. The black hair shops on Flatbush Avenue are full of black people spending hundreds of dollars and hours of time achieving this natural look. As Steve has noted, many a Korean has gotten rich selling highly toxic natural hair products to blacks.

    I’m a bit of an expert on natural hair.

    • Replies: @Sextus Empiricus

    “I’m not clear on their definition of natural hair. Does it mean any hairstyle blacks want to wear?“
     
    Yes.

    Clear?
    , @Lo
    WTH is the deal with Koreans, weave and hair story? Keep hearing about Koreans in Black cosmetic topics.
  28. What about discrimination against balding men (a form of age discrimination)?

    I’m curious to see how many people ‘LOL’, but remember the claims of fat discrimination, which is under at least some conscious control.

    I’m not holding my breath, but I wonder if some clever lawyer can twist this.

    • Replies: @ueljang
    Zero chance.

    First, hair loss is overwhelmingly (though in reality not exclusively) a men's issue. Men's issues tend to garner little public sympathy.

    Second, among all men, White men are the ones who most often suffer from hair loss. Any attempt to make discrimination against balding persons illegal would backfire and result in enthusiastic public shaming of balding White men.
  29. From Punch Almanac, 1866: “Oh Mr Irons, can nothing be done for my unfortunate black hair?”

    • LOL: Kylie
  30. World war H is in the abstract free, or at least not going to end up as an entry in the budget. California is currently bankruptcy leaving a governor very little to run on except budget cuts.

    See PensionTsunami.com for Cali Pension news.

  31. Undoubtedly because I’m a racist old white guy, whenever i see a woman with a mop on her head, braided, beaded or not, i feel a measure of pity and disgust. Overall, though, I think, Just let me stay as far removed from such things as possible. Is my reaction natural or a product of conditioning? Sorry, I just don’t care.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Is my reaction natural or a product of conditioning?
     
    Conditioner.


    https://africanamericanhairstyles.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/natural-hair-deep-conditioner-244x300.jpg
  32. OT says:

    leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClieKathryn Hinderakernt.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB188

    From my quick skim and search of the law, extensions aren’t covered. There’s nothing said about length or total head diameter. And the protections seem to be linked to traditional race styles, which implies that a white person could not get protection for dreadlocks, although a jewfro might be protected. This last seems legally vulnerable.

    If I were fat, ugly, old, mostly bald, or otherwise in fear of my job, I’d do a style change and get a weird hairdo that I could add to the lawsuit if laid off.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    "If I were fat, ugly, old, mostly bald, or otherwise in fear of my job, I’d do a style change and get a weird hairdo that I could add to the lawsuit if laid off."

    If a person had, let's say, characteristics two, three, and four of that list, what hairdo would you recommend?

    Asking for a friend.
  33. Sikh and you shall find.

    Though in Gov Nuisance’s case, it’s more a fable of the Tortuous and the Hair.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    BTW, I know it's pronounced "sick", but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.

    As a matter of faith.


    UK amends law to allow Sikhs to continue wearing kirpans


    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/sites/sbs.com.au.yourlanguage/files/styles/full/public/kirpan_2.jpg?itok=a13uP8v9&mtime=1543883271

  34. OT: These guys are XIII levels of serious:

    Far-right group had list of ‘pro refugee’ targets all across Germany to be killed on ‘Day X’ – media

    I don’t know why they would procure plastic bags and calcium oxide. It’s not as if disappearing politicians would go so unnoticed that one would have time to hide the bodies.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Oh, did Stasis "catch" Stasis in Nazi drag? That must have been such hard work.
  35. @Reg Cæsar
    Sikh and you shall find.


    http://www.religiouseducation.co.uk/school/ks3/ks3_images/kesh.gif


    Though in Gov Nuisance's case, it's more a fable of the Tortuous and the Hair.

    BTW, I know it’s pronounced “sick”, but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.

    As a matter of faith.

    UK amends law to allow Sikhs to continue wearing kirpans

    • Replies: @Logan
    I think it's pronounced "seek."
    , @Anon7
    Pretty funny. Sikhs also now have permission to carry them on planes in Canada!

    Well, if a Sikh can carry a kirpan with a six inch blade, I don’t see why a little EDC jackknife would be a problem. Except, well, I’d go to jail if I insisted on carrying a knife on a plane.

    Who says having an EDC or a Leatherman isn’t a religion? It is according to me. It’s the “Dad” religion.

    This is only the very start to the new ritual position of whites in their own countries, called “bending over backwards”. I can’t wait for child brides 14 years of age showing off what they got from their husbands in 10th grade (including sex starting at 12) with our kids. Or streets closed for 15 minutes five times each day for prayers. Or six a.m. amplified Arabic calls to prayer. Halal meat required everywhere. Blonde girls should probably dress modestly and cover their hair, or dye it, to be less of a problem for high-strung Arab males.

    BTW, all these incidents have already happened in Europe.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Bet they wish now Glocks had been available in 1699.
    , @PiltdownMan

    BTW, I know it’s pronounced “sick”, but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.
     
    The Sikh guys I've encountered at work, over the years, have had, without exception, a genial sense of humor. One of them mentioned that Sikh jokes are a thing in India the way Polish jokes used to be over here, at least in the Midwest.
  36. Did you see this season of “She’s Gotta Have It?”. I don’t want to spoil it, but the finale is very much on point WRT this topic.

  37. @SFG
    What about discrimination against balding men (a form of age discrimination)?

    I'm curious to see how many people 'LOL', but remember the claims of fat discrimination, which is under at least some conscious control.

    I'm not holding my breath, but I wonder if some clever lawyer can twist this.

    Zero chance.

    First, hair loss is overwhelmingly (though in reality not exclusively) a men’s issue. Men’s issues tend to garner little public sympathy.

    Second, among all men, White men are the ones who most often suffer from hair loss. Any attempt to make discrimination against balding persons illegal would backfire and result in enthusiastic public shaming of balding White men.

  38. Will this apply to the military in CA as well? If not federal troops, what about the national guard?

    • Replies: @Sextus Empiricus
    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/01/30/soldiers-cheer-army-s-decision-to-authorize-dreadlocks-in-uniform/
    , @Anon
    Hair length is not mentioned in the law, so that could be an end run for military and police organizations, but they'd have to mandate crew cuts for white guys.
    , @Anon
    Also, the legal principle of federal preemption would nullify this law's application to federal stuff. But depending on the 2020 election results, federal law could get even more woke than California law.
  39. And now a movie proving that those who commit hate crimes (including hair discrimination) will get what’s coming to them!

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    Vox Day has an IQ of 1,273, did you know? He keeps very quiet about it.
  40. @istevefan
    Will this apply to the military in CA as well? If not federal troops, what about the national guard?
    • Replies: @El Dato

    "When someone tells us there’s nothing you can do to look professional if you have locks, it’s kind of a confidence hit," she said. "It just shows how our military’s evolving. It’s more of a reflection of the world that we’re serving."
     
    Okay.

    According to the photo here, germans allow long-braided hair on females:

    Hundreds of German soldiers ‘unfit for service’ following missions abroad – report.

    Who can object?
    , @istevefan
    I guess your link doesn't really surprise me.
  41. @istevefan
    Will this apply to the military in CA as well? If not federal troops, what about the national guard?

    Hair length is not mentioned in the law, so that could be an end run for military and police organizations, but they’d have to mandate crew cuts for white guys.

  42. @istevefan
    Will this apply to the military in CA as well? If not federal troops, what about the national guard?

    Also, the legal principle of federal preemption would nullify this law’s application to federal stuff. But depending on the 2020 election results, federal law could get even more woke than California law.

  43. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    This includes bans on certain styles, such as Afros, braids, twists, cornrows and dreadlocks — or locs for short.
     
    I'm not clear on their definition of natural hair. Does it mean any hairstyle blacks want to wear? Many of these hairstyles require wads of human or nonhuman hair pasted on to a mesh cap or tied in to the wool poking through the mesh cap. This is called a weave.

    These hair supplements are quite expensive. The black hair shops on Flatbush Avenue are full of black people spending hundreds of dollars and hours of time achieving this natural look. As Steve has noted, many a Korean has gotten rich selling highly toxic natural hair products to blacks.

    I'm a bit of an expert on natural hair.

    “I’m not clear on their definition of natural hair. Does it mean any hairstyle blacks want to wear?“

    Yes.

    Clear?

  44. Serpentine belts in auto shop class can no longer discriminate. Cool!

  45. If you want job security, and are a white male under 40, grow your hair long – really long – and unkempt (never washed ever). Sooner or later someone will notice (and be revolted) and then you are untouchable. This is going to equalize things – white men under 40 can move into a “protected class” — as long as their hair is disgusting. Good news!

    • Replies: @216
    The protected class status is tied up in leftist electioneering.

    They never say anything about heightism, because there's a marginal chance that it would attract the votes of white males they don't already get. Women are also shorter than men on balance, so the feminist pandering could be de-facto anti-heightism.

    Straight white males can only get A/A by virtue of being a military veteran, partially because the left cannot be seen as anti-veteran; and because there is an overrepresentation of veterans in public life.

    They also can't be too generous with the spoils, as there are only so many Mitt Romneys going around to blame your oppression on.
  46. Gavin Newsom has a fantastic full mane of manly hair. When is he resigning to be replaced by a multi culti 3rd world trans person with a bad combover?

  47. @Jonathan Mason
    Does this mean we can expect to see a lot of Rastafarian cops now?

    And how can braids and cornrows be considered "natural hair"? Surely they are a form of adornment.

    Not that I object to them. It is a hot summer, and if you have long black hair and are doing a lot of swimming, braids or cornrows protect the hair and keep it in place.

    http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/9impcq-l-610x610-swimwear-bikini-bikini-bikini+bottoms-rihanna-instagram-summer-beach.jpg

    She was a beauty queen on her island. Thought it was funny on Barbados she was considered “white” by her country(wo)men…..

    Anyway as a non Californian can somebody shed light on the rumors Newsom is gayer than a Bill Clinton 3$ bill? Heard that several times….

    The “let’s talk about my hair….” bimbos must have lobbied for this nonsense…..

    • Replies: @Prosa123
    Married twice, four kids, was nailing his closest friend's wife while still married to Wife #1 ... sounds pretty straight to me.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    can somebody shed light on the rumors Newsom is gayer than a Bill Clinton 3$ bill
     
    Newsom has made a career out of pandering to gays, but not so much as to actually "go native."

    In fact, if he were gay he'd be shouting it out. And he'd have a lock on the Democratic nomination by now.
    , @Jack D

    she was considered “white” by her country(wo)men
     
    This is silly and false. They are not that dumb. They know what actual white people look like. She is obviously of mixed race and just as obviously not full white, just whiter than the average Bajan.

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.
    , @Alden
    Married twice 3 or 4 kids. No democrat White male politician in California need hide his homosexuality gender fluidity or other weirdness. It’s probably better for White Democrats to be gay
  48. JimB says:

    Governor Newsom said, “Personally, my hair, like every aspect of me, is amazing. But I can see why you people with your mediocre hair want a law making it illegal for anybody to notice that you don’t have superb hair, like, say, your governor has. Whatever. Vote Newsom 2022!”

    I think what is being discriminated against isn’t black hair, it is black hair fads involving beads, cornrows, dreadlocks, pink dye, and weaves. If you are in the service industry, the boss requires you to exercise common sense in the way you dress, behave, and groom so you don’t repulse the customers. This law is minority lawyer boondoggle and yet another defeat for common sense.

  49. @Reg Cæsar
    BTW, I know it's pronounced "sick", but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.

    As a matter of faith.


    UK amends law to allow Sikhs to continue wearing kirpans


    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/sites/sbs.com.au.yourlanguage/files/styles/full/public/kirpan_2.jpg?itok=a13uP8v9&mtime=1543883271

    I think it’s pronounced “seek.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I think it’s pronounced “seek.
     
    I've heard interviews with Sikhs with native North American accents who pronounce it "sick", so I'm going with that.

    The Seattle Pilots played their one season in Sick's Stadium. That or the Kingdome holds the MLB record for northernmost ballpark. Westernmost, too.
  50. OT:

    Here’s a YT clip of our stunningly beautiful and feminine new tennis messiah, Coco Gauff with all her glorious hair:

    Yeah, with a voice deeper than 99% of soymales, this one is definitely already on the test, possibly HGH too.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    idk ... Coco’s voice is well within normal girl range, perhaps a bit on the low side but rather pleasant overall. Her mannerisms are quite feminine, sweet, even coquettish. The long fake braids are unfortunate because it only draws attention to her scalp where her natural hair growth looks sparse. If she got a chiseled nose like Halle Berry perhaps Hollywood would come calling.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eYI_-QNCgEU/Wdp56I160uI/AAAAAAAND3o/EITSbo7O_0AztSlhYXRsgrLceG_aZqc6wCLcBGAs/s400/a.png
    , @Anonymous
    white people have the most high pitched voice of all races its ashame for your size your voice neds tobe as deep as blacks , asians have the deepest voice of all races and the loudest.The britshits have to practice from a young age otherwise you light eyed curly haired inferiors should be squeeki like your neighbours
  51. @Jonathan Mason
    Does this mean we can expect to see a lot of Rastafarian cops now?

    And how can braids and cornrows be considered "natural hair"? Surely they are a form of adornment.

    Not that I object to them. It is a hot summer, and if you have long black hair and are doing a lot of swimming, braids or cornrows protect the hair and keep it in place.

    http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/9impcq-l-610x610-swimwear-bikini-bikini-bikini+bottoms-rihanna-instagram-summer-beach.jpg

    What hair?

  52. 216 says:
    @Ibound1
    If you want job security, and are a white male under 40, grow your hair long - really long - and unkempt (never washed ever). Sooner or later someone will notice (and be revolted) and then you are untouchable. This is going to equalize things - white men under 40 can move into a “protected class” — as long as their hair is disgusting. Good news!

    The protected class status is tied up in leftist electioneering.

    They never say anything about heightism, because there’s a marginal chance that it would attract the votes of white males they don’t already get. Women are also shorter than men on balance, so the feminist pandering could be de-facto anti-heightism.

    Straight white males can only get A/A by virtue of being a military veteran, partially because the left cannot be seen as anti-veteran; and because there is an overrepresentation of veterans in public life.

    They also can’t be too generous with the spoils, as there are only so many Mitt Romneys going around to blame your oppression on.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Aside from some governmental gigs, being a veteran does nothing for one; employer's will drool over a person of many colours, a female, or a pervert; then kick and punch each other about who gets to hire her.

    Veterans are just checking a box for governmental reporting; they provide no virtue-signalling mojo – indeed, they can harm the employer's standing in GloboHomo if they suggest any hint of patriotism.

    No one is being hired or promoted for being a veteran outside places like Raytheon and Boeing—and even in those places its not because they are veterans as such, but, rather, its because they are people who know people only veterans tend to know....

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    BTW, I know it's pronounced "sick", but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.

    As a matter of faith.


    UK amends law to allow Sikhs to continue wearing kirpans


    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/sites/sbs.com.au.yourlanguage/files/styles/full/public/kirpan_2.jpg?itok=a13uP8v9&mtime=1543883271

    Pretty funny. Sikhs also now have permission to carry them on planes in Canada!

    Well, if a Sikh can carry a kirpan with a six inch blade, I don’t see why a little EDC jackknife would be a problem. Except, well, I’d go to jail if I insisted on carrying a knife on a plane.

    Who says having an EDC or a Leatherman isn’t a religion? It is according to me. It’s the “Dad” religion.

    This is only the very start to the new ritual position of whites in their own countries, called “bending over backwards”. I can’t wait for child brides 14 years of age showing off what they got from their husbands in 10th grade (including sex starting at 12) with our kids. Or streets closed for 15 minutes five times each day for prayers. Or six a.m. amplified Arabic calls to prayer. Halal meat required everywhere. Blonde girls should probably dress modestly and cover their hair, or dye it, to be less of a problem for high-strung Arab males.

    BTW, all these incidents have already happened in Europe.

    • Replies: @El Dato

    Pretty funny. Sikhs also now have permission to carry them on planes in Canada!
     
    > Get some Arabs
    > Let them declare they are "Sikhs" when boarding
    > ???
    > Successful plane takeover!

    No more lousy boxcutters.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    Sikhs also now have permission to carry them on planes in Canada!

    The kirban a Sikh is allowed to carry on a plane in Canada has to have a blade length of less than six centimeters. They're supposed to allow pocket knives with similarly short blades on US planes, but TSA agents are apparently empowered to make up rules as they see fit.

  54. anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @OT
    leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClieKathryn Hinderakernt.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB188

    From my quick skim and search of the law, extensions aren't covered. There's nothing said about length or total head diameter. And the protections seem to be linked to traditional race styles, which implies that a white person could not get protection for dreadlocks, although a jewfro might be protected. This last seems legally vulnerable.

    If I were fat, ugly, old, mostly bald, or otherwise in fear of my job, I'd do a style change and get a weird hairdo that I could add to the lawsuit if laid off.

    “If I were fat, ugly, old, mostly bald, or otherwise in fear of my job, I’d do a style change and get a weird hairdo that I could add to the lawsuit if laid off.”

    If a person had, let’s say, characteristics two, three, and four of that list, what hairdo would you recommend?

    Asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Oh well. At least you ain't fat.
  55. @Prester John
    This piece only serves to underscore the obvious: CA is in total free-fall.

    You mean there will be a magnitude 8 earthquake soon?

  56. OT: Democratic congresswoman secretly sending staff into Mexico to coach asylum-seekers

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-congresswoman-secretly-sending-staff-into-mexico-to-coach-asylum-seekers

    People like this need to be thrown in jail.

  57. @Neoconned
    She was a beauty queen on her island. Thought it was funny on Barbados she was considered "white" by her country(wo)men.....

    Anyway as a non Californian can somebody shed light on the rumors Newsom is gayer than a Bill Clinton 3$ bill? Heard that several times....

    The "let's talk about my hair...." bimbos must have lobbied for this nonsense.....

    Married twice, four kids, was nailing his closest friend’s wife while still married to Wife #1 … sounds pretty straight to me.

  58. @Anon7
    Pretty funny. Sikhs also now have permission to carry them on planes in Canada!

    Well, if a Sikh can carry a kirpan with a six inch blade, I don’t see why a little EDC jackknife would be a problem. Except, well, I’d go to jail if I insisted on carrying a knife on a plane.

    Who says having an EDC or a Leatherman isn’t a religion? It is according to me. It’s the “Dad” religion.

    This is only the very start to the new ritual position of whites in their own countries, called “bending over backwards”. I can’t wait for child brides 14 years of age showing off what they got from their husbands in 10th grade (including sex starting at 12) with our kids. Or streets closed for 15 minutes five times each day for prayers. Or six a.m. amplified Arabic calls to prayer. Halal meat required everywhere. Blonde girls should probably dress modestly and cover their hair, or dye it, to be less of a problem for high-strung Arab males.

    BTW, all these incidents have already happened in Europe.

    Pretty funny. Sikhs also now have permission to carry them on planes in Canada!

    > Get some Arabs
    > Let them declare they are “Sikhs” when boarding
    > ???
    > Successful plane takeover!

    No more lousy boxcutters.

  59. @Neoconned
    She was a beauty queen on her island. Thought it was funny on Barbados she was considered "white" by her country(wo)men.....

    Anyway as a non Californian can somebody shed light on the rumors Newsom is gayer than a Bill Clinton 3$ bill? Heard that several times....

    The "let's talk about my hair...." bimbos must have lobbied for this nonsense.....

    can somebody shed light on the rumors Newsom is gayer than a Bill Clinton 3$ bill

    Newsom has made a career out of pandering to gays, but not so much as to actually “go native.”

    In fact, if he were gay he’d be shouting it out. And he’d have a lock on the Democratic nomination by now.

  60. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s almost like these continual – petty – racial insults are some kind of means to distract people from noticing California is ruled by a white patriarchy, Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom, whose wealthy donors/constituents are wholly unlike the rising tide of socialist-leaning diversity there. Hmm. Raise taxes on the rich? Oh, look … I just solved the totally pressing issue of … hairstyle discrimination! Yeah, that. Diversity quotas for Silicon Valley hiring? Uh … here poor whittle illegal children, you wanna some free healthcare? Hey, that Bay Area over there has lots of nice real estate occupied by billionaires instead of section 8 housing, isn’t that racist? Oh no, don’t worry your whittle head over that … look, homophobic Chick-fil-a built a restaurant so lets now surround it with Pride Flags! 70% marginal tax rate on the rich? Er, uh … California was a dump run by the KKK in the 1990s, so you POC should be gracias a guy like Gavin Newsom has your back.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Newsom’s great grandfather was an original investor in Getty Oil.
  61. @Achmed E. Newman
    I thought California was a Paradise lost, but now I think California will become a bald man's Paradise. Did former Governor Moonbeam start this stuff?

    "Nobody walks into a hair salon and says 'give me the Larry Fine'".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHIyFPV626E

    The Gospel according to St Danny:

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Stay on topic, gentlemen:

    https://youtu.be/ThF4_4wnBPw
  62. Totally OT, but perhaps of interest: it seems that Open Borders has an official blog, and the most recent post is Increase Immigration Levels to Weaken White Supremacy.

    • Replies: @El Dato

    White supremacists also have conjured up conspiracy theories that liberal elites are orchestrating this “replacement.” While I have never encouraged immigrants to come to the U.S. (they have their own motivations to migrate), I am a liberal who welcomes high levels of immigration as a means to reduce the proportion of the population which self-identifies as white. This reduction could help diminish the influence of white supremacists and their fellow travellers by shrinking the proportion of the population from which they can draw recruits and influence the country’s direction.
     
    "There is no conspiracy and I am part of it"

    Joel has a bachelor’s degree in history from Pomona College and works as a teacher in Beaverton, Oregon.
     
    I wonder whether his classroom is diverse.
    , @Pericles
    But ... how could that be?!? Open borders are advocated merely for economic efficiency, aren't they??

    Looking at the author, I find the following introduction.


    Joel is the first blogger at Open Borders who contacted us of his own initiative for the blogging role, and also the first blogger here who does not comment on EconLog. All other recruits so far have been people we came to know of and touched base with through the comments space on EconLog. Thus, he’s likely to bring a new and somewhat different perspective to the case for open borders than most of the regular and guest bloggers on the site so far.

     

    Note (a) the blatant entryism, and (b) the uselessness of libertarians (EconLog) in general and in every particular. Not clear if the dude echoes too. Could be just a self-hating white.
    , @Daniel H
    C'mon. Article penned by a Joel Newman. Joel Newman.
    , @SFG
    I'm seriously quite in favor of everyone going over there and arguing with the dude, but please be civil. 'Immigration depresses wages for low-skill workers' is more convincing to regular people than 'GO TO HELL YOU (((CUCK)))', and helps fight stereotypes of restrictionists as well.

    Remember, you're not arguing to convince the other guy, you're arguing to convince the audience.

    , @nebulafox
    Good luck with that. Elites presiding over an increasingly entrenched socioeconomic caste system aren't going anywhere, should current trends continue. They'll just be white/East Asian or white/South Asian hybrids this time around instead of plain white.
  63. @Sextus Empiricus
    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/01/30/soldiers-cheer-army-s-decision-to-authorize-dreadlocks-in-uniform/

    “When someone tells us there’s nothing you can do to look professional if you have locks, it’s kind of a confidence hit,” she said. “It just shows how our military’s evolving. It’s more of a reflection of the world that we’re serving.”

    Okay.

    According to the photo here, germans allow long-braided hair on females:

    Hundreds of German soldiers ‘unfit for service’ following missions abroad – report.

    Who can object?

  64. Two fags peas in a pod.

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Gavin's gonna catch it for that. Calling a good-looking white male good looking? In the Current Year? Can't even.
  65. @Sextus Empiricus
    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/01/30/soldiers-cheer-army-s-decision-to-authorize-dreadlocks-in-uniform/

    I guess your link doesn’t really surprise me.

  66. @Kyle
    In future America the ministry of culture diversity and inclusivity will mandate that everyone buzz their head.

    “In future America the ministry of culture diversity and inclusivity will mandate that everyone buzz their head.”

    No, in future America, the ministry of culturr and inclusivity will mandate that everyone white buzz his, her or they head. That way, no blacks will be triggered by the humiliating sight of whites’ good hair.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  67. @Cucksworth
    The hair thing is deep in their subconscious. A 7 year old black kid walked up to me and told me my hair was a weave. I am tall and white and male with hair past my nipples.

    Their central idea: nominalism, the denial of reality. If all the hair in that kid’s coMUniTAH is a wig, what right has yours to be real? The law will make us equal.

  68. @El Dato
    OT: These guys are XIII levels of serious:

    Far-right group had list of ‘pro refugee’ targets all across Germany to be killed on ‘Day X’ – media

    I don't know why they would procure plastic bags and calcium oxide. It's not as if disappearing politicians would go so unnoticed that one would have time to hide the bodies.

    Oh, did Stasis “catch” Stasis in Nazi drag? That must have been such hard work.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    "Stasis" have reconverted pretty much exactly 30 years ago and are retired now.

    I hope you don't still look for the Soviet Union either, as does the MSM?
  69. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:

    What!?

    Next they’ll be banning reruns of the Benny Hill show for the ‘disgraceful and discriminating’ act of Benny Hill ritually slapping the ‘little bald guy’, (Jackie Weight, to you), on his distinctly denuded scalp.

  70. @BenKenobi
    With great hair comes great responsibility.

    Hahahahahahaha………!

  71. @Jonathan Mason
    Does this mean we can expect to see a lot of Rastafarian cops now?

    And how can braids and cornrows be considered "natural hair"? Surely they are a form of adornment.

    Not that I object to them. It is a hot summer, and if you have long black hair and are doing a lot of swimming, braids or cornrows protect the hair and keep it in place.

    http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/9impcq-l-610x610-swimwear-bikini-bikini-bikini+bottoms-rihanna-instagram-summer-beach.jpg

    That reminds me. Anti-twerking rules in the workplace are another egregious example of Disparate Impact and White Injury.

    You may think people don’t need to twerk in the office during “working hours” but that’s because you haven’t yet come to terms with your white supremacist attitude.

  72. @anonymous
    "If I were fat, ugly, old, mostly bald, or otherwise in fear of my job, I’d do a style change and get a weird hairdo that I could add to the lawsuit if laid off."

    If a person had, let's say, characteristics two, three, and four of that list, what hairdo would you recommend?

    Asking for a friend.

    Oh well. At least you ain’t fat.

  73. @eah
    Two fags peas in a pod.

    https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/962021651763281920

    Gavin’s gonna catch it for that. Calling a good-looking white male good looking? In the Current Year? Can’t even.

  74. OT:

    Natural-haired vibrant caught on film tampering with food:

    “Viral” Video: Woman Who Licked Ice Cream And Put It Back On Store Shelf Now Faces 20 Years

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-06/viral-video-woman-who-licked-ice-cream-and-put-it-back-store-shelf-now-faces-20

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    And notice the “do” on both the Vibrant and her boyfriend. Disgusting enough quite apart from
    her tasting the ice cream. 😧
  75. @The Wild Geese Howard
    OT:

    Natural-haired vibrant caught on film tampering with food:

    "Viral" Video: Woman Who Licked Ice Cream And Put It Back On Store Shelf Now Faces 20 Years

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-06/viral-video-woman-who-licked-ice-cream-and-put-it-back-store-shelf-now-faces-20

    And notice the “do” on both the Vibrant and her boyfriend. Disgusting enough quite apart from
    her tasting the ice cream. 😧

  76. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    I am perplexed, in what way are afros, dreadlocks and cornrows "natural" hair. Doesn't this open the door to protections for all unusual hairstyles?

    I am perplexed, in what way are afros, dreadlocks and cornrows “natural” hair.

    I was wondering that, too!

  77. • Replies: @t
    Wasn't the Upshot supposed to be a Data Blog?
  78. @Logan
    I think it's pronounced "seek."

    I think it’s pronounced “seek.

    I’ve heard interviews with Sikhs with native North American accents who pronounce it “sick”, so I’m going with that.

    The Seattle Pilots played their one season in Sick’s Stadium. That or the Kingdome holds the MLB record for northernmost ballpark. Westernmost, too.

  79. CCZ says:

    California East:

    Sponsored by black, Hispanic, and an Asian Indian identified legislators, the below amendment to the Law Against Discrimination is another step in the New Jersey Governor’s stated “aspiration” to have the state become “the California of the East Coast.” He said it!!

    The bill [summary text] “prohibits discrimination on the basis of hair style, type,or texture under the “Law Against Discrimination” (LAD), P.L.1945, c.169 (C.10:5-1 et seq.). Specifically, the bill amends the LAD so that the term “race” includes “traits historically associated with race, including, but not limited to, hair texture, hair type, and protective hairstyles.” Under the bill, the term “protective hair styles”includes, but is not limited to, hairstyles such as braids, locks, and twists. This bill is modeled after pending California Bill SB No. 188, which, if enacted, would amend the California Fair Employment and Housing Act by making the term “race” inclusive of hair texture and protective hair styles historically associated with race.

    But what about protection for black females with large hoop earrings, septum piercings (nose rings) or extreme length fingernails?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Someone should paint beside that nonsense: "Negress, stop using electricity!!"
  80. @Autochthon
    Ah yes, the African invention of braids, flat, wooly, kinky follicles lend themselves to being braided to easily, after all....

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3f/ca/e9/3fcae9399692118518bab1843394e541.jpg

    And the corn-row: what more "natural" style of hair is there? Why, no one should be discriminated against foe allowing his hair to simply grow naturally into corn-rows, as hair will do when let alone...

    My prediction: Look for a lot more hair in food at restaurants, as uppity workers and fearful empoyers alike react to this law's doubtless chilling effect on hair-nets and such.

    And the corn-row: what more “natural” style of hair is there?

    Do they even grow corn in Africa? I think not.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    http://harvestchoice.org/commodities/maize

    In sub-Saharan Africa, maize is the most widely grown crop and is a staple food for an estimated 50% of the population.
     
  81. @Neoconned
    She was a beauty queen on her island. Thought it was funny on Barbados she was considered "white" by her country(wo)men.....

    Anyway as a non Californian can somebody shed light on the rumors Newsom is gayer than a Bill Clinton 3$ bill? Heard that several times....

    The "let's talk about my hair...." bimbos must have lobbied for this nonsense.....

    she was considered “white” by her country(wo)men

    This is silly and false. They are not that dumb. They know what actual white people look like. She is obviously of mixed race and just as obviously not full white, just whiter than the average Bajan.

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.
     
    The single dumbest thing white people--or any people, come to think of it--have ever done.

    Blacks have been the benificiary of the most undeserved population expansion in world history.

    Usually you get earn a big population expansion by beating the some other guys in warfare--taking their land and their women and spreading your genes. But sub-saharan Africans got an incredible demographic expansion by ... having a slave society, being primitive enough to be easily enslaved and piggy backing on the colonization done by Europeans.

    Huge own goal by Euros. Huge undeserved win for blacks.

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, "man we owe you guys ... big time!"

    , @Jonathan Mason
    Rihanna's father is/was pretty light skinned, but Barbados is definitely one of the darker-skinned islands of the Caribbean and the population seems much less mixed than, say, Jamaica.

    The economy of Barbados in the eighteenth century depended largely on sugar plantations and large numbers of Africans were imported from Nigeria, Ghana, and the Congo. There were no Arawak or other native Americans on the island at the time of the British occupation.

    Jane Austen's aunt and other members of her family had interests in sugar plantations in Barbados and so, coincidentally, did the Bertram family at the center of her novel Mansfield Park

    In Barbados it is common for there to be jealousy towards lighter-skinned people, and teenage girls everywhere can be bitchy. I doubt whether it bothered Rihanna too much.

    http://www.tmymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Rihanna.jpg

    Barbados has produced numerous great cricketers like Sir Wes Hall. Most of them have been on the blacker side of dark.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/wes-hall-9c4a6f71-1e84-42f3-851b-b0d511ce512-resize-750.jpeg
  82. @Cortes
    The Gospel according to St Danny:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-NeBfY6U4n8

    Stay on topic, gentlemen:

  83. @Anon
    Cornrows are "natural"?

    Can whites wear cornrows?

    Bo Derek cornrowed her hair in the movie 10 but it didn’t look all that good.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Bo Derek cornrowed her hair in the movie 10 but it didn’t look all that good."

    You looked at her hair?
    , @MEH 0910
    https://media.giphy.com/media/Mf6cp2DoJcsXm/giphy.gif

    https://media.giphy.com/media/oziACkwgxdR6g/giphy.gif
  84. @jb
    Totally OT, but perhaps of interest: it seems that Open Borders has an official blog, and the most recent post is Increase Immigration Levels to Weaken White Supremacy.

    White supremacists also have conjured up conspiracy theories that liberal elites are orchestrating this “replacement.” While I have never encouraged immigrants to come to the U.S. (they have their own motivations to migrate), I am a liberal who welcomes high levels of immigration as a means to reduce the proportion of the population which self-identifies as white. This reduction could help diminish the influence of white supremacists and their fellow travellers by shrinking the proportion of the population from which they can draw recruits and influence the country’s direction.

    “There is no conspiracy and I am part of it”

    Joel has a bachelor’s degree in history from Pomona College and works as a teacher in Beaverton, Oregon.

    I wonder whether his classroom is diverse.

  85. @Henry's Cat

    By Phil Willon and Alexa Díaz


    [...]


    Phil Willon

    Phil Willon covers Gov. Gavin Newsom and California politics for the Los Angeles Times. He reports from Sacramento and his previous assignments included the 2018 governor’s race and the 2016 U.S. Senate race. Before heading north, Willon covered Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and roamed Southern California’s mountains and deserts as the paper’s state correspondent in the Inland Empire. Prior to joining The Times, Willon served as the Washington, D.C., correspondent for the Tampa Tribune. At the Tribune, Willon also covered Florida Gov. Lawton Chiles, Hurricane Andrew and the investigation leading to the arrest of serial killer Danny Rolling. He began his newspaper career as the Kent Island correspondent for the Capital in Annapolis, Md. Willon grew up in Southern California and graduated from UC San Diego.

    Alexa Díaz

    Alexa Díaz is an audience engagement editor for the Los Angeles Times.
     
    Does this mean he writes, she answers email?

    I think it may mean he reports and writes, then she doctors, distorts, sanitises, twists, warps, and propagandises….

  86. @Tono Bungay
    Undoubtedly because I'm a racist old white guy, whenever i see a woman with a mop on her head, braided, beaded or not, i feel a measure of pity and disgust. Overall, though, I think, Just let me stay as far removed from such things as possible. Is my reaction natural or a product of conditioning? Sorry, I just don't care.

    Is my reaction natural or a product of conditioning?

    Conditioner.

  87. @jb
    Totally OT, but perhaps of interest: it seems that Open Borders has an official blog, and the most recent post is Increase Immigration Levels to Weaken White Supremacy.

    But … how could that be?!? Open borders are advocated merely for economic efficiency, aren’t they??

    Looking at the author, I find the following introduction.

    Joel is the first blogger at Open Borders who contacted us of his own initiative for the blogging role, and also the first blogger here who does not comment on EconLog. All other recruits so far have been people we came to know of and touched base with through the comments space on EconLog. Thus, he’s likely to bring a new and somewhat different perspective to the case for open borders than most of the regular and guest bloggers on the site so far.

    Note (a) the blatant entryism, and (b) the uselessness of libertarians (EconLog) in general and in every particular. Not clear if the dude echoes too. Could be just a self-hating white.

    • Replies: @SFG
    'Newman' apparently is German in origin, and I can't find much else on the guy. So could go either way.

    Open borders fits pretty well with libertarianism, intellectually anyway--border enforcement is big government, after all.

  88. @J.Ross
    Oh, did Stasis "catch" Stasis in Nazi drag? That must have been such hard work.

    “Stasis” have reconverted pretty much exactly 30 years ago and are retired now.

    I hope you don’t still look for the Soviet Union either, as does the MSM?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    No, they de facto won, and they run everything now. As unprincipled organizational masters they are the logical end result of Pournelle's Law.
  89. @216
    The protected class status is tied up in leftist electioneering.

    They never say anything about heightism, because there's a marginal chance that it would attract the votes of white males they don't already get. Women are also shorter than men on balance, so the feminist pandering could be de-facto anti-heightism.

    Straight white males can only get A/A by virtue of being a military veteran, partially because the left cannot be seen as anti-veteran; and because there is an overrepresentation of veterans in public life.

    They also can't be too generous with the spoils, as there are only so many Mitt Romneys going around to blame your oppression on.

    Aside from some governmental gigs, being a veteran does nothing for one; employer’s will drool over a person of many colours, a female, or a pervert; then kick and punch each other about who gets to hire her.

    Veterans are just checking a box for governmental reporting; they provide no virtue-signalling mojo – indeed, they can harm the employer’s standing in GloboHomo if they suggest any hint of patriotism.

    No one is being hired or promoted for being a veteran outside places like Raytheon and Boeing—and even in those places its not because they are veterans as such, but, rather, its because they are people who know people only veterans tend to know….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Most of the Class 1 railroads preferentially hire veterans almost as much as they preferentially hire females and minorities.

    Why do females get preference even for crafts-clerks, for example- that, though 'traditionally" male, (e.g. when most of the old hands started when steam still ruled and Morse code was still in use) have been majority female for 30+ years?

    It has something to do with lucrative DoD contracts to haul tanks and other heavy stuff, I think.
    , @216
    I'm not sure if there is A/A granted, but I've seen major corporations like Starbucks and Walmart run advertising campaigns about how they are hiring veterans. I would guess that perhaps 1/4th or more of the veterans are also PeeOhCee and eligible for other A/A, and something like 10% of the military is female IIRC.
  90. @t
    NYTimes: Why are we talking about busing?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/upshot/busing-housing-segregation-democratic-primary.html

    Wasn’t the Upshot supposed to be a Data Blog?

  91. @JackOH
    Sumptuary law, an ass-backward variant, in which those presumably lower on the totem pole are permitted the most extravagant expression without fear of legal censure. Kind of flips some old-fashioned sumptuary laws, where the boss man was permitted fancy dress while the proles had to keep it simple.

    The Revolution ain't a-comin'---The Revolution is right on our doorstep.

    The Revolution ain’t a-comin’—The Revolution is right on our doorstep.

    The Revolution is over… and we lost it.

    • Agree: Sextus Empiricus
    • Replies: @JackOH
    Richard Matheson's short story, "Children of Noah".

    City slicker gets pulled over in a small town. Slicker dismisses cops and townsfolk as backwoods rubes. Slicker misreads signs that something's very wrong.

    Slicker is placed in a room that's becoming hotter and hotter. The horror strikes. He's to be roasted to feed a town peopled by ritual cannibals. The traffic stops and flummery of police procedure are used to identify candidates for the stove, isolates with weak family and vocational ties.

    We're the city slickers---and we're getting cooked.

    IOW---I agree with you.

    He just couldn't believe it was happening are the city slicker's last thought.
  92. @CCZ
    California East:

    Sponsored by black, Hispanic, and an Asian Indian identified legislators, the below amendment to the Law Against Discrimination is another step in the New Jersey Governor's stated "aspiration" to have the state become "the California of the East Coast." He said it!!

    The bill [summary text] “prohibits discrimination on the basis of hair style, type,or texture under the “Law Against Discrimination” (LAD), P.L.1945, c.169 (C.10:5-1 et seq.). Specifically, the bill amends the LAD so that the term “race” includes “traits historically associated with race, including, but not limited to, hair texture, hair type, and protective hairstyles.” Under the bill, the term “protective hair styles”includes, but is not limited to, hairstyles such as braids, locks, and twists. This bill is modeled after pending California Bill SB No. 188, which, if enacted, would amend the California Fair Employment and Housing Act by making the term “race” inclusive of hair texture and protective hair styles historically associated with race.

    But what about protection for black females with large hoop earrings, septum piercings (nose rings) or extreme length fingernails?

    https://i-d-images.vice.com/images/2017/03/15/who-owns-hoop-earrings-body-image-1489599134.jpg?resize=975

    Someone should paint beside that nonsense: “Negress, stop using electricity!!”

  93. @Barnard
    I am perplexed, in what way are afros, dreadlocks and cornrows "natural" hair. Doesn't this open the door to protections for all unusual hairstyles?

    I am perplexed, in what way are afros, dreadlocks and cornrows “natural” hair. Doesn’t this open the door to protections for all unusual hairstyles?

    Yes, we can’t even school the tie-dyed, white rasta man.

  94. @BenKenobi
    With great hair comes great responsibility.

    Hair makes the man.

  95. I wonder if the left-tards will seek to protect tatoos next.

    Considerations: most tatoos are worn by white proles and left-tards hate and despise white proles, despite finding them useful at times in groupings like ANTIFA . But since left-tard see tatoos as a phenomenon that demoralizes and degrades white proles – much like fentanyl, long hair on men, sloppy clothing, crap punk music – they are eager to encourage it, especially because tatoos really degrade white womanhood. So I can see the left-tards passing legislation that not only protects tattoos, but unabashedly encourages them.

  96. How much is water quality responsible for natural hair?

    When I lived in Barcelona many moons ago and had a splendid head of hair, after a shower my Diarmuid of the Love Spot (qv) slightly curly hair turned into wire wool, like a German pornstar of the era. Think the whitest member of the Jackson Six.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarmuid_Ua_Duibhne

  97. @Reg Cæsar
    BTW, I know it's pronounced "sick", but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.

    As a matter of faith.


    UK amends law to allow Sikhs to continue wearing kirpans


    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/sites/sbs.com.au.yourlanguage/files/styles/full/public/kirpan_2.jpg?itok=a13uP8v9&mtime=1543883271

    Bet they wish now Glocks had been available in 1699.

  98. What’s funny about this new law is that there’s only about 5% blacks left in this state. The fewer there are, the more we care about them and seek to alleviate every little problem they might encounter.

  99. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    But Al Jaffee isn't. Who'd've thought he'd survive the magazine?

    Can you even do a fold-out (or fold-in, whatever) online?

    My kid just folded a 48-year-old Jaffee that I'd bought new on the stand, and still have.



    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Xc8AAOSwK6RZN1j~/s-l300.jpg
  100. @anon
    It's almost like these continual - petty - racial insults are some kind of means to distract people from noticing California is ruled by a white patriarchy, Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom, whose wealthy donors/constituents are wholly unlike the rising tide of socialist-leaning diversity there. Hmm. Raise taxes on the rich? Oh, look ... I just solved the totally pressing issue of ... hairstyle discrimination! Yeah, that. Diversity quotas for Silicon Valley hiring? Uh ... here poor whittle illegal children, you wanna some free healthcare? Hey, that Bay Area over there has lots of nice real estate occupied by billionaires instead of section 8 housing, isn't that racist? Oh no, don't worry your whittle head over that ... look, homophobic Chick-fil-a built a restaurant so lets now surround it with Pride Flags! 70% marginal tax rate on the rich? Er, uh ... California was a dump run by the KKK in the 1990s, so you POC should be gracias a guy like Gavin Newsom has your back.

    Newsom’s great grandfather was an original investor in Getty Oil.

  101. I thought Steve was being funny with this post. I just looked it up. WTF its true. Whats this world coming to? Whats next, a law preventing discrimination against thick lips and big nose holes?

  102. @Neoconned
    She was a beauty queen on her island. Thought it was funny on Barbados she was considered "white" by her country(wo)men.....

    Anyway as a non Californian can somebody shed light on the rumors Newsom is gayer than a Bill Clinton 3$ bill? Heard that several times....

    The "let's talk about my hair...." bimbos must have lobbied for this nonsense.....

    Married twice 3 or 4 kids. No democrat White male politician in California need hide his homosexuality gender fluidity or other weirdness. It’s probably better for White Democrats to be gay

  103. Western Civilization values:

    Knowledge is gained through reason and logic as opposed to mysticism
    The individual has an inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of his own happiness
    The triumph of reason and rights made possible the full development and application of science and technology.

    Black Hair values:

    For many Black women, changing our hairstyle is like changing our lives. Changing our hair affects our confidence, for better or worse and makes a big impact on how we feel about ourselves.

    Confidence really is every woman’s best asset.

    (From Ebony magazine)

  104. This is a completely natural, appropriate and inevitable policy once you’ve signed onto minoritarianism.

    Start with whining about country clubs and Harvard quotas–i.e. the majority not grabbing its ankles fast enough–and if that whining isn’t mocked and answered with an f-you, then you quickly aren’t able to live in a neighborhood with the people you’d like, send your kids to their neighborhood school, hire and fire whom you want, rent your house to whom you’d like…

    In a heartbeat, you have to bake homo wedding cakes and can’t have school discipline. Because you no longer own your neighborhood, your nation, your labor, your life.

    And you can’t have civilization. Civilization requires standards. Standards require discrimination–meeting\not-meeting. Standards are discrimination.

    If Duke Power can’t discriminate in requiring its mechanics and operators to have graduated HS, or be able to read and write … why the heck should some restaurant or hotel or airline be able to tell it’s people to meet some–racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, islamophobic–standard of grooming?

    ~~

    Multicultural/multiethnic societies are just a bad idea. But only way anyone has ever run them successfully for very long, is the imperial–Romans, Ottomans–model. Various groups, races, nations can go about there business as they’d like just pay your taxes and don’t cause trouble.

    Instead we have the infinitely meddling model. The bullying super-state pushing deeper and deeper into every ever more personal and ever more picayune aspect of human life. A nightmare.

    Much saner would be a return to freedom of association. Accept that we’re going to have political allocation in the public sphere, but minimize that and most importantly preserve individuals’ rights to associate as and with whom they want.

    But, of course, we can’t do that! That would be more pleasant for the majority. And they’d be living (i.e. minding their own business) lives of jackbooted terror–with school discipline, heterosexualism and Christmas carols.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  105. mitt romney had to be in on this.

    part of the bipartisan “Gang of Eight with Good Hair”.

  106. @Jack D

    she was considered “white” by her country(wo)men
     
    This is silly and false. They are not that dumb. They know what actual white people look like. She is obviously of mixed race and just as obviously not full white, just whiter than the average Bajan.

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.

    The single dumbest thing white people–or any people, come to think of it–have ever done.

    Blacks have been the benificiary of the most undeserved population expansion in world history.

    Usually you get earn a big population expansion by beating the some other guys in warfare–taking their land and their women and spreading your genes. But sub-saharan Africans got an incredible demographic expansion by … having a slave society, being primitive enough to be easily enslaved and piggy backing on the colonization done by Europeans.

    Huge own goal by Euros. Huge undeserved win for blacks.

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, “man we owe you guys … big time!”

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, “man we owe you guys … big time!”
     
    Nope.

    But cuckwhites regularly lose their minds cheering on their favorite negro sportball players.
    , @vinteuil
    AD, I think it's a little much to ask American blacks to thank American slave-owners & their descendants for buying them from their African captors - I mean, it's not like the slave-owners were doing it out of charity! Presumably, they expected value for money.

    On the other hand, I wish there was a little more recognition on the part of American blacks (1) that their captors were fellow Africans, & (2) that those who ended up in the USA had, comparatively speaking, won the lottery.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Mohammad Ali (f/k/a Cassius Clay) did say, after or during a visit to Africa, that he was very glad his ancestor got on that ship. Probably as close to a thank you as whites are likely to get.
    , @95Theses
    Keith Richburg comes to mind. Here is an excerpt from his 1997 book covering his experiences in Africa as a reporter for the Washington Post during the early 1990s, Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa. It's pretty powerful account:

    Revulsion. Sorrow. Pity at the monumental waste of human life. They all come close, but don't quite capture what I really feel. It's a sentiment that began nagging me soon after I first set foot in Africa in late 1991. And it's a gnawing feeling that kept coming back to me as bodies kept piling up, as the insanity of Africa deepened. It's a feeling that pained me to admit, a sentiment that, when uttered aloud, might come across as callous, self-obessed, even racist.

    And yet I know exactly this feeling that haunts me; I've just been too embarrassed to say it. So let me drop the charade and put it as simply as I know how: There but for the grace of God go I.

    You see, I was seeing all of this horror a bit differently because of the color of my skin. I am an American, but a black man, a descendant of slaves brought from Africa. When I see these nameless, faceless, anonymous bodies washing over a waterfall or piled up on the back of trucks, what I see most is that they look like me.

    Sometime, maybe four hundred or so years ago, one of my ancestors was taken from his village, probably by a local chieftain. He was shackled in leg irons, kept in a holding pen or a dark pit, possibly at Goree Island off the coast of Senegal. And then he was put in the crowded, filthy cargo hold of a ship for the long and treacherous voyage across the Atlantic to the New World.

    Many of the slaves died on that voyage. But not my ancestor. Maybe it was because he was strong, maybe just stubborn, or maybe he had an irrepressible will to live. But he survived, and ended up in forced slavery working on plantations in the Caribbean. Generations on down the line, one of his descendants was taken to South Carolina. Finally, a more recent descendant, my father, moved to Detroit to find a job in an auto plant during the Second World War.

    And so it was that I came to be born in Detroit and that thirty-five years later, a black man born in white America, I was in Africa, birthplace of my ancestors, standing at the edge of a river not as an African but as an American journalist – a mere spectator – watching the bloated bodies of black Africans cascading over a waterfall. And that's when I thought about how, if things had been different, I might have been one of them – or might have met some similar anonymous fate in one of the countless ongoing civil wars or tribal clashes on this brutal continent. And so I thank God my ancestor survived that voyage.

    — Keith Richburg, Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa, p. xxi–xxii
     
    https://smile.amazon.com/Out-America-Confronts-Africa-Republic/dp/0465001874

    A longer excerpt can be read here:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942943/posts
  107. @jb
    Totally OT, but perhaps of interest: it seems that Open Borders has an official blog, and the most recent post is Increase Immigration Levels to Weaken White Supremacy.

    C’mon. Article penned by a Joel Newman. Joel Newman.

  108. @Jack D

    she was considered “white” by her country(wo)men
     
    This is silly and false. They are not that dumb. They know what actual white people look like. She is obviously of mixed race and just as obviously not full white, just whiter than the average Bajan.

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.

    Rihanna’s father is/was pretty light skinned, but Barbados is definitely one of the darker-skinned islands of the Caribbean and the population seems much less mixed than, say, Jamaica.

    The economy of Barbados in the eighteenth century depended largely on sugar plantations and large numbers of Africans were imported from Nigeria, Ghana, and the Congo. There were no Arawak or other native Americans on the island at the time of the British occupation.

    Jane Austen’s aunt and other members of her family had interests in sugar plantations in Barbados and so, coincidentally, did the Bertram family at the center of her novel Mansfield Park

    In Barbados it is common for there to be jealousy towards lighter-skinned people, and teenage girls everywhere can be bitchy. I doubt whether it bothered Rihanna too much.

    Barbados has produced numerous great cricketers like Sir Wes Hall. Most of them have been on the blacker side of dark.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Barbados still has a small white population, met some when I holidayed there.
  109. @jb
    Totally OT, but perhaps of interest: it seems that Open Borders has an official blog, and the most recent post is Increase Immigration Levels to Weaken White Supremacy.

    I’m seriously quite in favor of everyone going over there and arguing with the dude, but please be civil. ‘Immigration depresses wages for low-skill workers’ is more convincing to regular people than ‘GO TO HELL YOU (((CUCK)))’, and helps fight stereotypes of restrictionists as well.

    Remember, you’re not arguing to convince the other guy, you’re arguing to convince the audience.

  110. anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cucksworth
    The hair thing is deep in their subconscious. A 7 year old black kid walked up to me and told me my hair was a weave. I am tall and white and male with hair past my nipples.

    Are you Caitlyn Jenner?

  111. Next: Gavin Newsome signs a law prohibiting Adam Carolla from replaying the tape of their interview in which Newsome couldn’t offer a theory as to why blacks and Hispanics always seem to be “struggling.”

    • Replies: @68W58
    LOL-Carolla regularly kicks around Newsom (and pretty much every other California pol) on his podcast. If Newsom was able to get such a law passed it might just be he impetus for Carolla to move to Texas or Tennessee, which he muses about every so often as well.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Man, this Adam Corolla is something! Awesome! I imagine Governor Newsome will never let Corolla interview him again. Thanks, Harry.
  112. @Diversity Heretic
    Bo Derek cornrowed her hair in the movie 10 but it didn't look all that good.

    “Bo Derek cornrowed her hair in the movie 10 but it didn’t look all that good.”

    You looked at her hair?

  113. @Pericles
    But ... how could that be?!? Open borders are advocated merely for economic efficiency, aren't they??

    Looking at the author, I find the following introduction.


    Joel is the first blogger at Open Borders who contacted us of his own initiative for the blogging role, and also the first blogger here who does not comment on EconLog. All other recruits so far have been people we came to know of and touched base with through the comments space on EconLog. Thus, he’s likely to bring a new and somewhat different perspective to the case for open borders than most of the regular and guest bloggers on the site so far.

     

    Note (a) the blatant entryism, and (b) the uselessness of libertarians (EconLog) in general and in every particular. Not clear if the dude echoes too. Could be just a self-hating white.

    ‘Newman’ apparently is German in origin, and I can’t find much else on the guy. So could go either way.

    Open borders fits pretty well with libertarianism, intellectually anyway–border enforcement is big government, after all.

  114. Racial discrimination based on hair? Does Phil Spector pass by way of Jewishness, or nah?

  115. @Elmer T. Jones
    Kamala Harris should sport a fro to balance her 70s socio-political proposals. I for am look forward to the return of disco.

    I have long thought Kamala’s hair wasn’t black enough for her to win.

    Obama played the Am I Black Enough for Ya? game much better, but women an their hair is another issue altogether.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    It would be very racist if white society tried to stop Kamala Harris from getting crazy hair during election season.
  116. ‘Newman’ apparently is German in origin, and I can’t find much else on the guy. So could go either way.

    Open borders fits pretty well with libertarianism, intellectually anyway–border enforcement is big government, after all.

    Lex Parsimoniae

    • Replies: @SFG
    Technically, that's a Bayesian approach depending on observed data about the world--nothing intellectually simpler about him being Jewish or not.

    I have to admit 'joel' and him being a left-wing almost-prof does incline toward parentheses.
  117. @AnotherDad

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.
     
    The single dumbest thing white people--or any people, come to think of it--have ever done.

    Blacks have been the benificiary of the most undeserved population expansion in world history.

    Usually you get earn a big population expansion by beating the some other guys in warfare--taking their land and their women and spreading your genes. But sub-saharan Africans got an incredible demographic expansion by ... having a slave society, being primitive enough to be easily enslaved and piggy backing on the colonization done by Europeans.

    Huge own goal by Euros. Huge undeserved win for blacks.

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, "man we owe you guys ... big time!"

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, “man we owe you guys … big time!”

    Nope.

    But cuckwhites regularly lose their minds cheering on their favorite negro sportball players.

    • Replies: @Hail
    More importantly, conservatives tend to place Blacks on cultural-political pedestals.

    One strange thing about the USA, as I think the foreign-origin John Derbyshire has perceptively written, is how late-20th-century-present America ascribes moral superiority, or moral legitimacy, to Blacks, in situations both grand and small.

    It just seems natural to many U.S. Whites today, who know nothing but. A second thought hardly given. Objectively, though, it's just profoundly weird, isn't it?

    Historians of the future will wonder how/why...

  118. Does the bill considers any mention of good vs. bad hair hate speech? And will touching holy African hair become a felony?

  119. Related: Rapper Chris Brown reveals good-hair preference in latest song lyrics.

    https://www.complex.com/music/2019/07/chris-brown-responds-criticism-black-nice-hair-line

    “Diggin’ it, then I’m lickin’ all on that pussy, put it right there/Only wanna fuck the black bitches with the nice hair,” Brown rapped on the track. Plenty of listeners posted on social media to ask what he really meant by that line…”

    Newsome really should create a commission to interrogate these problematic lyrics.

  120. OT:

    UMich and Harvard prof: #MeToo wouldn’t have happened if Hillary won

    MacKinnon compared accusations of sexual abuse made against President Bill Clinton with those made against President Donald Trump, calling claims made against Clinton “a morality crusade” and suggesting that many people were only concerned with the “right use of it [the allegations] for political gain.”

    But MacKinnon asserted that the election of Trump fundamentally changed the way that reports of sexual assault were viewed. In her speech, she also contrasted Clinton with Trump by referring to the former president as someone Americans “actually elected.”

    • Replies: @Pericles

    UMich and Harvard prof: #MeToo wouldn’t have happened if Hillary won

     

    On day one of her presidency, Hillary would have travelled back in time to stop her pal Harvey.

    If memory serves, the quoted professor MacKinnon was one of the "rape is everywhere and everything" feminists in the 90s, right beside ole Dworkin. One more tenured lunatic, but of course that's now the official view of all the very serious universities of Clown World. I'm actually somewhat surprised she's still around.
  121. @El Dato
    "Stasis" have reconverted pretty much exactly 30 years ago and are retired now.

    I hope you don't still look for the Soviet Union either, as does the MSM?

    No, they de facto won, and they run everything now. As unprincipled organizational masters they are the logical end result of Pournelle’s Law.

  122. @HammerJack
    https://jobleh.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/creative-crazy-black-hairstyles-good-home-design-creative-at-home-ideas.jpg


    https://i0.wp.com/s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/0f/ea/a10fea45d478cdb71ca7871c3583cf7c--black-hairstyles-natural-hairstyles.jpg

    https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/604025/85790184.jpg

    Don't say a word.

    That first photo the hair has been stuck on and the background spray painted – it’s entirely fake.

    I stumbled across the video recently.

  123. @jb
    Totally OT, but perhaps of interest: it seems that Open Borders has an official blog, and the most recent post is Increase Immigration Levels to Weaken White Supremacy.

    Good luck with that. Elites presiding over an increasingly entrenched socioeconomic caste system aren’t going anywhere, should current trends continue. They’ll just be white/East Asian or white/South Asian hybrids this time around instead of plain white.

  124. @Daniel H
    ‘Newman’ apparently is German in origin, and I can’t find much else on the guy. So could go either way.

    Open borders fits pretty well with libertarianism, intellectually anyway–border enforcement is big government, after all.


    Lex Parsimoniae

    Technically, that’s a Bayesian approach depending on observed data about the world–nothing intellectually simpler about him being Jewish or not.

    I have to admit ‘joel’ and him being a left-wing almost-prof does incline toward parentheses.

  125. @Harry Baldwin
    Next: Gavin Newsome signs a law prohibiting Adam Carolla from replaying the tape of their interview in which Newsome couldn't offer a theory as to why blacks and Hispanics always seem to be "struggling."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42wbI7LxRns

    LOL-Carolla regularly kicks around Newsom (and pretty much every other California pol) on his podcast. If Newsom was able to get such a law passed it might just be he impetus for Carolla to move to Texas or Tennessee, which he muses about every so often as well.

  126. • Replies: @Cortes
    Colin Powell should’ve just said “No” rather than snort the contents of the vial of “WMD.”
  127. @Pericles

    And the corn-row: what more “natural” style of hair is there?

     

    Do they even grow corn in Africa? I think not.

    http://harvestchoice.org/commodities/maize

    In sub-Saharan Africa, maize is the most widely grown crop and is a staple food for an estimated 50% of the population.

  128. Hail says: • Website
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, “man we owe you guys … big time!”
     
    Nope.

    But cuckwhites regularly lose their minds cheering on their favorite negro sportball players.

    More importantly, conservatives tend to place Blacks on cultural-political pedestals.

    One strange thing about the USA, as I think the foreign-origin John Derbyshire has perceptively written, is how late-20th-century-present America ascribes moral superiority, or moral legitimacy, to Blacks, in situations both grand and small.

    It just seems natural to many U.S. Whites today, who know nothing but. A second thought hardly given. Objectively, though, it’s just profoundly weird, isn’t it?

    Historians of the future will wonder how/why…

    • Replies: @SFG
    Guilt.

    Even conservatives have to admit slavery was one of America's great moral failings. And Christianity, which is the moral foundation for many conservatives, does make one prone to guilt. (I am not saying Christianity has done nothing good over its 2000 years or in the history of the USA--it's the reason we have any morality at all--but it does predispose to guilt.)

    Now I don't think that means every white, including the majority with no connection to Southern slaveholders, have to bow and scrape forever, and I'm certainly no more likely to vote for a politician who doesn't have my interests in mind as a result...but you asked how/why.
  129. @HammerJack
    https://jobleh.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/creative-crazy-black-hairstyles-good-home-design-creative-at-home-ideas.jpg


    https://i0.wp.com/s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/0f/ea/a10fea45d478cdb71ca7871c3583cf7c--black-hairstyles-natural-hairstyles.jpg

    https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/604025/85790184.jpg

    Don't say a word.

    Barber: What’ll it be?

    Third dude: Do me a solid. Preferably platonic.

  130. SFG says:
    @Hail
    More importantly, conservatives tend to place Blacks on cultural-political pedestals.

    One strange thing about the USA, as I think the foreign-origin John Derbyshire has perceptively written, is how late-20th-century-present America ascribes moral superiority, or moral legitimacy, to Blacks, in situations both grand and small.

    It just seems natural to many U.S. Whites today, who know nothing but. A second thought hardly given. Objectively, though, it's just profoundly weird, isn't it?

    Historians of the future will wonder how/why...

    Guilt.

    Even conservatives have to admit slavery was one of America’s great moral failings. And Christianity, which is the moral foundation for many conservatives, does make one prone to guilt. (I am not saying Christianity has done nothing good over its 2000 years or in the history of the USA–it’s the reason we have any morality at all–but it does predispose to guilt.)

    Now I don’t think that means every white, including the majority with no connection to Southern slaveholders, have to bow and scrape forever, and I’m certainly no more likely to vote for a politician who doesn’t have my interests in mind as a result…but you asked how/why.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    >Even conservatives have to admit slavery was one of America’s great moral failings.<

    Why? Negros selling Negros to Whites ain't my problem or concern.
    , @nebulafox
    Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It's a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    But the thing that you can't tolerate under any circumstances, however, is never closing the issue once and for all, leaving yourself open to potential emotional blackmail down the road. Germany was stupid enough to let this happen to them when the '68ers threw their tantrum. We got luckier, but it is clear what is wanted. Every crime is finite, no matter how huge: you've got to move on eventually. This is by no means limited to the reparations issues: note that many left-wing intellectuals-predominantly, though not always white-are always very careful never to give specific numbers on how many immigrants should come in a year, for example. It's never concrete. It's never agreed to.

    Thus, it'd prove prudent to have whatever can resolve this down on record to have something to point to should any gnat come over and try to extort you in the future. If that means cutting a deal directly with poorer black people-and this is to be explicitly limited to *descendants of slaves*-then so be it. Chances are they care about different things than upper-middle class lefties do, such as ending the War on Drugs, for example. And it certainly would lead to some interesting scenarios with richer blacks, who are more likely to be descended from slaveowners, than your average white person, many of whom didn't even have ancestors here in 1860.

    To hell with what the "Muh Free Market" types in the GOP think. Since when have they ever been right, politically or otherwise? Stop treating blacks like they are idiots and stop rambling on about Lincoln, they have damn good reasons for not voting Republican. You don't need their affection: you need coinciding interests, and long-term, I strongly doubt the other racial minorities in this nation are going to be jazzed about playing second fiddle to a minority they outnumber and outpower economically in the Democratic Party. The Coalition of the Fringes can and must be messed with: and there's no better primary target to mess with than the gentry/professional class and oligarchs who really control what once was the party of FDR. What's going to happen if Democratic candidates respond to a quote from Cesar Chavez on immigration and economics with arguments from the Cato Institute come election year?

    (What people miss in the rush to condemn the obvious immorality of the system was that it was also extremely retrograde by the mid-1800s. The agrarian plantation model would have needed increasing amounts of state resources to artificially prop it up in the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and would have retarded any nation that kept it as a mainstream feature. This is why I tend to take a dim view of CSA fanboys, not because I don't think the South could have won had a few things gone differently, but more because I think the CSA would have been a backwater hellhole in the long run, far from being a romantic rural paradise, and we'd all have been worse off.

    There were a few eventual Confederate leaders who did recognize this in the prewar period on these pragmatic grounds, as opposed to moral ones-Lee was one of them-and thus would have preferred long-term dismantlement of slavery to its perpetuation. But they were a minority in the hothouse pre-Civil War atmosphere. And they one that was essentially asking for the South to carte blanche solve it as they saw fit while the rest of the nation spent resources to keep it up as they moved along. I don't see how political accommodation would have been possible.)

    , @Desiderius
    guilt/shame : society :: pain : body

    They both serve as signals within a healthy society/body. This is common to all human civilizations. Christianity rightly practiced functions as a societal pain reliever, releasing excess guilt/shame that has already served its purpose.

    You can see in SJWs what happens when that release is denied.
    , @Hail
    I am sure you would agree that 'Guilt' leaves much to be desired as a specific answer to why the Black Man is attributed Moral Superiority in US culture.

    I would point to the case of the Amerindian Red Man by way of contrast. The Red Man gets comparatively little respect in US culture. If 'guilt' over the relatively minor and brief historical experience of Subsaharan slavery in some areas of North America in the 18th century* and early-mid 19th century were the answer, then the Red men and women among us would be elevated to the position of gods, far morally superior even to our sacralized Blacks, considering that their fate is so far worse than that of Blacks, as we Europeans repossessed an entire continent from the former, rather than skimming off a small percent of a few African tribes and working them for a brief historical period.

    Yet guilt over Amerindian displacement, while it exists, is always less than that for Blacks. There is something else going on here.

    ___________

    * Subsaharan chattel slavery in the lowland areas of the southern British colonies in North America only really got going, in earnest (in 19th-century-recognizable form), during the early 18th century (earliest origins in the 1690s due to a White labor shortage), and 'institutionalized,' as they say, by the mid-18th century, becoming a problem that ended up solved by force of arms a century or so later.

    The median arrival date for African slaves is likely 18th century Q3. The average Black American of entirely slave-ancestry has a good deal more years of post-1865 free ancestry (potentially 165 years, as of today, factoring in the small-% of Free Blacks and the slaves freed during the war before 1865) than years of pre-1865 slave ancestry (potentially <100 years, depending on when the median arrival exactly was; it cannot realistically be over 120 years).

  131. @Diversity Heretic
    Bo Derek cornrowed her hair in the movie 10 but it didn't look all that good.

  132. @Dr. X

    The Revolution ain’t a-comin’—The Revolution is right on our doorstep.
     
    The Revolution is over... and we lost it.

    Richard Matheson’s short story, “Children of Noah”.

    City slicker gets pulled over in a small town. Slicker dismisses cops and townsfolk as backwoods rubes. Slicker misreads signs that something’s very wrong.

    Slicker is placed in a room that’s becoming hotter and hotter. The horror strikes. He’s to be roasted to feed a town peopled by ritual cannibals. The traffic stops and flummery of police procedure are used to identify candidates for the stove, isolates with weak family and vocational ties.

    We’re the city slickers—and we’re getting cooked.

    IOW—I agree with you.

    He just couldn’t believe it was happening are the city slicker’s last thought.

  133. @Harry Baldwin
    Next: Gavin Newsome signs a law prohibiting Adam Carolla from replaying the tape of their interview in which Newsome couldn't offer a theory as to why blacks and Hispanics always seem to be "struggling."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42wbI7LxRns

    Man, this Adam Corolla is something! Awesome! I imagine Governor Newsome will never let Corolla interview him again. Thanks, Harry.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Carolla says Newsome has never agreed to go on his show since. Carolla is pretty good, but he's one of those guys who still chalks up black dysfunction to absentee fathers. I guess that's the safest position to take.
  134. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    This includes bans on certain styles, such as Afros, braids, twists, cornrows and dreadlocks — or locs for short.
     
    I'm not clear on their definition of natural hair. Does it mean any hairstyle blacks want to wear? Many of these hairstyles require wads of human or nonhuman hair pasted on to a mesh cap or tied in to the wool poking through the mesh cap. This is called a weave.

    These hair supplements are quite expensive. The black hair shops on Flatbush Avenue are full of black people spending hundreds of dollars and hours of time achieving this natural look. As Steve has noted, many a Korean has gotten rich selling highly toxic natural hair products to blacks.

    I'm a bit of an expert on natural hair.

    WTH is the deal with Koreans, weave and hair story? Keep hearing about Koreans in Black cosmetic topics.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Korean immigrants figured out they could make a lot of money opening stores to sell hair care products to blacks in slums.
  135. And Christianity, which is the moral foundation for many conservatives, does make one prone to guilt.

    The Bible, with passages like the tale of the Good Samaritan, was not intended to be a suicide pact.

  136. @Lo
    WTH is the deal with Koreans, weave and hair story? Keep hearing about Koreans in Black cosmetic topics.

    Korean immigrants figured out they could make a lot of money opening stores to sell hair care products to blacks in slums.

  137. @SFG
    Guilt.

    Even conservatives have to admit slavery was one of America's great moral failings. And Christianity, which is the moral foundation for many conservatives, does make one prone to guilt. (I am not saying Christianity has done nothing good over its 2000 years or in the history of the USA--it's the reason we have any morality at all--but it does predispose to guilt.)

    Now I don't think that means every white, including the majority with no connection to Southern slaveholders, have to bow and scrape forever, and I'm certainly no more likely to vote for a politician who doesn't have my interests in mind as a result...but you asked how/why.

    >Even conservatives have to admit slavery was one of America’s great moral failings.<

    Why? Negros selling Negros to Whites ain't my problem or concern.

  138. Is that why US is behind in the dust free semiconductor fabrication facilities like Intel struggling with the 14 nm technology because of the lack of inputs from experts with fancy hair??

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    At 14 nm any hair is as bad as any other. "Clean" takes on entirely new connotations at these levels.
  139. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon
    Aside from some governmental gigs, being a veteran does nothing for one; employer's will drool over a person of many colours, a female, or a pervert; then kick and punch each other about who gets to hire her.

    Veterans are just checking a box for governmental reporting; they provide no virtue-signalling mojo – indeed, they can harm the employer's standing in GloboHomo if they suggest any hint of patriotism.

    No one is being hired or promoted for being a veteran outside places like Raytheon and Boeing—and even in those places its not because they are veterans as such, but, rather, its because they are people who know people only veterans tend to know....

    Most of the Class 1 railroads preferentially hire veterans almost as much as they preferentially hire females and minorities.

    Why do females get preference even for crafts-clerks, for example- that, though ‘traditionally” male, (e.g. when most of the old hands started when steam still ruled and Morse code was still in use) have been majority female for 30+ years?

    It has something to do with lucrative DoD contracts to haul tanks and other heavy stuff, I think.

  140. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Is that why US is behind in the dust free semiconductor fabrication facilities like Intel struggling with the 14 nm technology because of the lack of inputs from experts with fancy hair??

    At 14 nm any hair is as bad as any other. “Clean” takes on entirely new connotations at these levels.

  141. NYC already has a law like this.

  142. @SFG
    Guilt.

    Even conservatives have to admit slavery was one of America's great moral failings. And Christianity, which is the moral foundation for many conservatives, does make one prone to guilt. (I am not saying Christianity has done nothing good over its 2000 years or in the history of the USA--it's the reason we have any morality at all--but it does predispose to guilt.)

    Now I don't think that means every white, including the majority with no connection to Southern slaveholders, have to bow and scrape forever, and I'm certainly no more likely to vote for a politician who doesn't have my interests in mind as a result...but you asked how/why.

    Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It’s a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    But the thing that you can’t tolerate under any circumstances, however, is never closing the issue once and for all, leaving yourself open to potential emotional blackmail down the road. Germany was stupid enough to let this happen to them when the ’68ers threw their tantrum. We got luckier, but it is clear what is wanted. Every crime is finite, no matter how huge: you’ve got to move on eventually. This is by no means limited to the reparations issues: note that many left-wing intellectuals-predominantly, though not always white-are always very careful never to give specific numbers on how many immigrants should come in a year, for example. It’s never concrete. It’s never agreed to.

    Thus, it’d prove prudent to have whatever can resolve this down on record to have something to point to should any gnat come over and try to extort you in the future. If that means cutting a deal directly with poorer black people-and this is to be explicitly limited to *descendants of slaves*-then so be it. Chances are they care about different things than upper-middle class lefties do, such as ending the War on Drugs, for example. And it certainly would lead to some interesting scenarios with richer blacks, who are more likely to be descended from slaveowners, than your average white person, many of whom didn’t even have ancestors here in 1860.

    To hell with what the “Muh Free Market” types in the GOP think. Since when have they ever been right, politically or otherwise? Stop treating blacks like they are idiots and stop rambling on about Lincoln, they have damn good reasons for not voting Republican. You don’t need their affection: you need coinciding interests, and long-term, I strongly doubt the other racial minorities in this nation are going to be jazzed about playing second fiddle to a minority they outnumber and outpower economically in the Democratic Party. The Coalition of the Fringes can and must be messed with: and there’s no better primary target to mess with than the gentry/professional class and oligarchs who really control what once was the party of FDR. What’s going to happen if Democratic candidates respond to a quote from Cesar Chavez on immigration and economics with arguments from the Cato Institute come election year?

    (What people miss in the rush to condemn the obvious immorality of the system was that it was also extremely retrograde by the mid-1800s. The agrarian plantation model would have needed increasing amounts of state resources to artificially prop it up in the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and would have retarded any nation that kept it as a mainstream feature. This is why I tend to take a dim view of CSA fanboys, not because I don’t think the South could have won had a few things gone differently, but more because I think the CSA would have been a backwater hellhole in the long run, far from being a romantic rural paradise, and we’d all have been worse off.

    There were a few eventual Confederate leaders who did recognize this in the prewar period on these pragmatic grounds, as opposed to moral ones-Lee was one of them-and thus would have preferred long-term dismantlement of slavery to its perpetuation. But they were a minority in the hothouse pre-Civil War atmosphere. And they one that was essentially asking for the South to carte blanche solve it as they saw fit while the rest of the nation spent resources to keep it up as they moved along. I don’t see how political accommodation would have been possible.)

    • Replies: @newrouter
    > Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It’s a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.<

    You cool with Hillary Clinton's slave markets in Libya?
    , @Anonymous
    In reality - and in actual practice - there is *very very* little difference, both morally and we facto legally between the institution of black chattel slavery as practised in pre bellum USA and the advocacy of massive, uncontrolled third world pauper immigration - which is, of course, *the* prevailing economic and political dogma - rabidly and vociferously defended by the big bastards at The Economist - to the western world.

    Nonsense!, I hear you cry!, but the 'slaves' are volunteers out to better their lives!'.

    Perhaps. But the central crux of the matter is the same. The whole idea is to exploit them. And to exploit them viciously. The can be no tougher, more merciless taskmaster than the force of infinite competition driving the price of mere subsistence down to the barest fraction of a penny on a dollar. The advantage of The Economist advocated system is that the slaves, effectively, import themselves, sell themselves, and drive themselves - all at trivial cost to bottom line 'compensation' is reduced to the irreducible minimum which barely figures in the balance sheet.
    Asses are wiped, grapes are picked, floors are mopped for nothing, basically. For the owner class, what is there not to like?
    , @Pericles
    Pragmatically speaking, slavery was a big mistake and now you seem to be stuck with its products. But it's also significant that basically everyone else has been permitted to forget about their slaver past.
    , @vinteuil

    Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It’s a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.
     
    Well, sure - but this all needs putting in context. (1) For most of human history, and in much of the world today, the moral acceptability of slavery was more or less taken for granted. Absolute moral condemnation of slavery is largely an innovation of Christendom and its modern secular offshoots. Whether that absolute condemnation will survive the death of Christendom remains an open question. (2) Slavery has taken all kinds of forms: the slavery of ancient peoples defeated in wars of conquest, mostly leading to rapid extinction; slavery in Classical Greece & Rome, which could range from very harsh (think of Penelope's maids) to very mild (think of Tiro or Epictetus); slavery on Caribbean sugar plantations, where people were more or less worked to death; slavery in the American colonies, which, as AD points out above, led to a pretty remarkable population explosion...it was not a unitary phenomenon, and distinctions must be made. (3) Strangely enough, it's the people who are loudest in their laments about the "legacy of slavery" in America who seem most sure that it was "beneficial for our nation" - or, at any rate, for our economy. They are continually insisting that the great wealth of the USA is mostly, if not entirely, built on the exploitation of slave labor. (4) Anyway, I guess my point is that, sure, slavery was a "dark chapter in our history," but that isn't all it was. It wasn't just a story of white villains oppressing black victims. There should be room for some nuance, here.
    , @guest
    Anyone who says girls are boys and boys girls or that race doesn't exist won't be taken seriously by the public either. Until they are. Because we're shamed into belief.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    what once was the party of FDR.
     
    What do you mean, "once"? He was the original fringe coalitionist.
  143. @nebulafox
    Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It's a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    But the thing that you can't tolerate under any circumstances, however, is never closing the issue once and for all, leaving yourself open to potential emotional blackmail down the road. Germany was stupid enough to let this happen to them when the '68ers threw their tantrum. We got luckier, but it is clear what is wanted. Every crime is finite, no matter how huge: you've got to move on eventually. This is by no means limited to the reparations issues: note that many left-wing intellectuals-predominantly, though not always white-are always very careful never to give specific numbers on how many immigrants should come in a year, for example. It's never concrete. It's never agreed to.

    Thus, it'd prove prudent to have whatever can resolve this down on record to have something to point to should any gnat come over and try to extort you in the future. If that means cutting a deal directly with poorer black people-and this is to be explicitly limited to *descendants of slaves*-then so be it. Chances are they care about different things than upper-middle class lefties do, such as ending the War on Drugs, for example. And it certainly would lead to some interesting scenarios with richer blacks, who are more likely to be descended from slaveowners, than your average white person, many of whom didn't even have ancestors here in 1860.

    To hell with what the "Muh Free Market" types in the GOP think. Since when have they ever been right, politically or otherwise? Stop treating blacks like they are idiots and stop rambling on about Lincoln, they have damn good reasons for not voting Republican. You don't need their affection: you need coinciding interests, and long-term, I strongly doubt the other racial minorities in this nation are going to be jazzed about playing second fiddle to a minority they outnumber and outpower economically in the Democratic Party. The Coalition of the Fringes can and must be messed with: and there's no better primary target to mess with than the gentry/professional class and oligarchs who really control what once was the party of FDR. What's going to happen if Democratic candidates respond to a quote from Cesar Chavez on immigration and economics with arguments from the Cato Institute come election year?

    (What people miss in the rush to condemn the obvious immorality of the system was that it was also extremely retrograde by the mid-1800s. The agrarian plantation model would have needed increasing amounts of state resources to artificially prop it up in the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and would have retarded any nation that kept it as a mainstream feature. This is why I tend to take a dim view of CSA fanboys, not because I don't think the South could have won had a few things gone differently, but more because I think the CSA would have been a backwater hellhole in the long run, far from being a romantic rural paradise, and we'd all have been worse off.

    There were a few eventual Confederate leaders who did recognize this in the prewar period on these pragmatic grounds, as opposed to moral ones-Lee was one of them-and thus would have preferred long-term dismantlement of slavery to its perpetuation. But they were a minority in the hothouse pre-Civil War atmosphere. And they one that was essentially asking for the South to carte blanche solve it as they saw fit while the rest of the nation spent resources to keep it up as they moved along. I don't see how political accommodation would have been possible.)

    > Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It’s a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.<

    You cool with Hillary Clinton's slave markets in Libya?

    • LOL: nebulafox
  144. @Achmed E. Newman
    Man, this Adam Corolla is something! Awesome! I imagine Governor Newsome will never let Corolla interview him again. Thanks, Harry.

    Carolla says Newsome has never agreed to go on his show since. Carolla is pretty good, but he’s one of those guys who still chalks up black dysfunction to absentee fathers. I guess that’s the safest position to take.

  145. @Anon7
    Pretty funny. Sikhs also now have permission to carry them on planes in Canada!

    Well, if a Sikh can carry a kirpan with a six inch blade, I don’t see why a little EDC jackknife would be a problem. Except, well, I’d go to jail if I insisted on carrying a knife on a plane.

    Who says having an EDC or a Leatherman isn’t a religion? It is according to me. It’s the “Dad” religion.

    This is only the very start to the new ritual position of whites in their own countries, called “bending over backwards”. I can’t wait for child brides 14 years of age showing off what they got from their husbands in 10th grade (including sex starting at 12) with our kids. Or streets closed for 15 minutes five times each day for prayers. Or six a.m. amplified Arabic calls to prayer. Halal meat required everywhere. Blonde girls should probably dress modestly and cover their hair, or dye it, to be less of a problem for high-strung Arab males.

    BTW, all these incidents have already happened in Europe.

    Sikhs also now have permission to carry them on planes in Canada!

    The kirban a Sikh is allowed to carry on a plane in Canada has to have a blade length of less than six centimeters. They’re supposed to allow pocket knives with similarly short blades on US planes, but TSA agents are apparently empowered to make up rules as they see fit.

  146. 216 says:
    @Autochthon
    Aside from some governmental gigs, being a veteran does nothing for one; employer's will drool over a person of many colours, a female, or a pervert; then kick and punch each other about who gets to hire her.

    Veterans are just checking a box for governmental reporting; they provide no virtue-signalling mojo – indeed, they can harm the employer's standing in GloboHomo if they suggest any hint of patriotism.

    No one is being hired or promoted for being a veteran outside places like Raytheon and Boeing—and even in those places its not because they are veterans as such, but, rather, its because they are people who know people only veterans tend to know....

    I’m not sure if there is A/A granted, but I’ve seen major corporations like Starbucks and Walmart run advertising campaigns about how they are hiring veterans. I would guess that perhaps 1/4th or more of the veterans are also PeeOhCee and eligible for other A/A, and something like 10% of the military is female IIRC.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    That's just serendipitous public relations for them ("Say, Linda in HR noticed that some ten per cent of our employees are veterans; let's incorporate that into an advertising campaign about how swell we are!") which is not the same thing as the proactive activity regarding other groups ("We here at Megalocorp have a woke mandate to 'do better on diversity' so we are striving to increase hiring of persons of many colours by fifteen per cent in the next five years, and ensure at least three females are on the board of directors. We will also be shoveling money to the United Negro College Fund, La Raza, the National Organisation for Women, the Council for American-Isalmic Relations, and the Man-Boy Love Association – fifty million dollars to each!") Some such outfits are True Believers; others cynics playing the required protection money to the hustlers – but they are doing it in either case. You won't see anything approaching those efforts to employ veterans, acknowledge them, or donate to causes supporting them, outside niche outfits like Black Rifle Coffee.
  147. @Reg Cæsar
    BTW, I know it's pronounced "sick", but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.

    As a matter of faith.


    UK amends law to allow Sikhs to continue wearing kirpans


    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/sites/sbs.com.au.yourlanguage/files/styles/full/public/kirpan_2.jpg?itok=a13uP8v9&mtime=1543883271

    BTW, I know it’s pronounced “sick”, but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.

    The Sikh guys I’ve encountered at work, over the years, have had, without exception, a genial sense of humor. One of them mentioned that Sikh jokes are a thing in India the way Polish jokes used to be over here, at least in the Midwest.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Sikhs in general are a class act. Hard not to respect a people whose elderly men will put up their dukes and attempt to fight when mugged.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    "Polish" jokes are almost always generic. They can be transferred to almost any group seen as backwards.

    Are Sikh jokes (ha-ha) like this, or specific to them the way Irish, Jewish, black, Italian, etc, ones are to those peoples?
  148. @PiltdownMan

    BTW, I know it’s pronounced “sick”, but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.
     
    The Sikh guys I've encountered at work, over the years, have had, without exception, a genial sense of humor. One of them mentioned that Sikh jokes are a thing in India the way Polish jokes used to be over here, at least in the Midwest.

    Sikhs in general are a class act. Hard not to respect a people whose elderly men will put up their dukes and attempt to fight when mugged.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    The “war nerd” agreed:

    https://www.sikhphilosophy.net/threads/sikh-to-death-a-war-nerds-tribute-to-sikh-warriors.31818/
    , @PiltdownMan

    Sikhs in general are a class act. Hard not to respect a people whose elderly men will put up their dukes and attempt to fight when mugged.
     
    I recall that viral story from a few years ago, but couldn't find it online. But here's another of a Sikh convenience store guy, armed with a slipper, tussling with a guy with a shotgun.


    https://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/58-year-old-sikh-shopkeeper-fights-off-a-shotgun-wielding-robber-with-his-chappal-248575.html
  149. @Stan Adams
    OT: Mad Magazine is dead:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/04/media/mad-magazine-cease-publication-trnd/index.html

    But Al Jaffee isn’t. Who’d’ve thought he’d survive the magazine?

    Can you even do a fold-out (or fold-in, whatever) online?

    My kid just folded a 48-year-old Jaffee that I’d bought new on the stand, and still have.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    It was inevitable. How could Mad Magazine compete with the larger news outlets?
    , @guest
    I remember Joe as one of the many hippie-era movies where reactionary characters go on murder rampages against longhairs. Why didn't that happen in real life?

    http://www.tasteofcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Joe-1970.jpg
    , @the one they call Desanex
    This is my all-time favorite music video, even though I don’t care much for the song (“My Son a Girl”?). It’s a tribute to Al Jaffee and the fold-in.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkCg-3nxT8E
  150. @PiltdownMan

    BTW, I know it’s pronounced “sick”, but puns on that order would be microaggressive, and these people carry concealed.
     
    The Sikh guys I've encountered at work, over the years, have had, without exception, a genial sense of humor. One of them mentioned that Sikh jokes are a thing in India the way Polish jokes used to be over here, at least in the Midwest.

    “Polish” jokes are almost always generic. They can be transferred to almost any group seen as backwards.

    Are Sikh jokes (ha-ha) like this, or specific to them the way Irish, Jewish, black, Italian, etc, ones are to those peoples?

  151. @SFG
    Guilt.

    Even conservatives have to admit slavery was one of America's great moral failings. And Christianity, which is the moral foundation for many conservatives, does make one prone to guilt. (I am not saying Christianity has done nothing good over its 2000 years or in the history of the USA--it's the reason we have any morality at all--but it does predispose to guilt.)

    Now I don't think that means every white, including the majority with no connection to Southern slaveholders, have to bow and scrape forever, and I'm certainly no more likely to vote for a politician who doesn't have my interests in mind as a result...but you asked how/why.

    guilt/shame : society :: pain : body

    They both serve as signals within a healthy society/body. This is common to all human civilizations. Christianity rightly practiced functions as a societal pain reliever, releasing excess guilt/shame that has already served its purpose.

    You can see in SJWs what happens when that release is denied.

    • Replies: @SFG
    A bit off-topic, but I wonder if this has anything to do with the increasing popularity of sadomasochism?
  152. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It's a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    But the thing that you can't tolerate under any circumstances, however, is never closing the issue once and for all, leaving yourself open to potential emotional blackmail down the road. Germany was stupid enough to let this happen to them when the '68ers threw their tantrum. We got luckier, but it is clear what is wanted. Every crime is finite, no matter how huge: you've got to move on eventually. This is by no means limited to the reparations issues: note that many left-wing intellectuals-predominantly, though not always white-are always very careful never to give specific numbers on how many immigrants should come in a year, for example. It's never concrete. It's never agreed to.

    Thus, it'd prove prudent to have whatever can resolve this down on record to have something to point to should any gnat come over and try to extort you in the future. If that means cutting a deal directly with poorer black people-and this is to be explicitly limited to *descendants of slaves*-then so be it. Chances are they care about different things than upper-middle class lefties do, such as ending the War on Drugs, for example. And it certainly would lead to some interesting scenarios with richer blacks, who are more likely to be descended from slaveowners, than your average white person, many of whom didn't even have ancestors here in 1860.

    To hell with what the "Muh Free Market" types in the GOP think. Since when have they ever been right, politically or otherwise? Stop treating blacks like they are idiots and stop rambling on about Lincoln, they have damn good reasons for not voting Republican. You don't need their affection: you need coinciding interests, and long-term, I strongly doubt the other racial minorities in this nation are going to be jazzed about playing second fiddle to a minority they outnumber and outpower economically in the Democratic Party. The Coalition of the Fringes can and must be messed with: and there's no better primary target to mess with than the gentry/professional class and oligarchs who really control what once was the party of FDR. What's going to happen if Democratic candidates respond to a quote from Cesar Chavez on immigration and economics with arguments from the Cato Institute come election year?

    (What people miss in the rush to condemn the obvious immorality of the system was that it was also extremely retrograde by the mid-1800s. The agrarian plantation model would have needed increasing amounts of state resources to artificially prop it up in the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and would have retarded any nation that kept it as a mainstream feature. This is why I tend to take a dim view of CSA fanboys, not because I don't think the South could have won had a few things gone differently, but more because I think the CSA would have been a backwater hellhole in the long run, far from being a romantic rural paradise, and we'd all have been worse off.

    There were a few eventual Confederate leaders who did recognize this in the prewar period on these pragmatic grounds, as opposed to moral ones-Lee was one of them-and thus would have preferred long-term dismantlement of slavery to its perpetuation. But they were a minority in the hothouse pre-Civil War atmosphere. And they one that was essentially asking for the South to carte blanche solve it as they saw fit while the rest of the nation spent resources to keep it up as they moved along. I don't see how political accommodation would have been possible.)

    In reality – and in actual practice – there is *very very* little difference, both morally and we facto legally between the institution of black chattel slavery as practised in pre bellum USA and the advocacy of massive, uncontrolled third world pauper immigration – which is, of course, *the* prevailing economic and political dogma – rabidly and vociferously defended by the big bastards at The Economist – to the western world.

    Nonsense!, I hear you cry!, but the ‘slaves’ are volunteers out to better their lives!’.

    Perhaps. But the central crux of the matter is the same. The whole idea is to exploit them. And to exploit them viciously. The can be no tougher, more merciless taskmaster than the force of infinite competition driving the price of mere subsistence down to the barest fraction of a penny on a dollar. The advantage of The Economist advocated system is that the slaves, effectively, import themselves, sell themselves, and drive themselves – all at trivial cost to bottom line ‘compensation’ is reduced to the irreducible minimum which barely figures in the balance sheet.
    Asses are wiped, grapes are picked, floors are mopped for nothing, basically. For the owner class, what is there not to like?

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Hail
    Good contribution. Please take a handle and keep contributing!
  153. @nebulafox
    Sikhs in general are a class act. Hard not to respect a people whose elderly men will put up their dukes and attempt to fight when mugged.
  154. @guest
    I have long thought Kamala's hair wasn't black enough for her to win.

    Obama played the Am I Black Enough for Ya? game much better, but women an their hair is another issue altogether.

    It would be very racist if white society tried to stop Kamala Harris from getting crazy hair during election season.

  155. @HammerJack
    https://jobleh.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/creative-crazy-black-hairstyles-good-home-design-creative-at-home-ideas.jpg


    https://i0.wp.com/s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/0f/ea/a10fea45d478cdb71ca7871c3583cf7c--black-hairstyles-natural-hairstyles.jpg

    https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/604025/85790184.jpg

    Don't say a word.

  156. @Anon7
    OT:

    UMich and Harvard prof: #MeToo wouldn't have happened if Hillary won

    MacKinnon compared accusations of sexual abuse made against President Bill Clinton with those made against President Donald Trump, calling claims made against Clinton “a morality crusade” and suggesting that many people were only concerned with the “right use of it [the allegations] for political gain.”

    But MacKinnon asserted that the election of Trump fundamentally changed the way that reports of sexual assault were viewed. In her speech, she also contrasted Clinton with Trump by referring to the former president as someone Americans “actually elected.”
     

    UMich and Harvard prof: #MeToo wouldn’t have happened if Hillary won

    On day one of her presidency, Hillary would have travelled back in time to stop her pal Harvey.

    If memory serves, the quoted professor MacKinnon was one of the “rape is everywhere and everything” feminists in the 90s, right beside ole Dworkin. One more tenured lunatic, but of course that’s now the official view of all the very serious universities of Clown World. I’m actually somewhat surprised she’s still around.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    MacKinnon is one half of the Dynamic Duo, with Andrea Dworkin, who managed to invent the concept of "sexual harassment" as a form of discrimination.

    This June, probably in response to entreaties from the plaintiff's bar, the NY State legislature removed the requirement in NY discrimination law that in order to prove a sexual harassment case, you had to show that the harassment had been, when viewed objectively, "severe" or "pervasive." Now, the standard will be more like "whatever triggers me."

    I have no doubt that Cuomo II will sign it into law. One less reason for any company to do business in New York.

    OT, I always thought that one thing that contributed to Dworkin's rage against men was her strong resemblance to Leslie West.
  157. @nebulafox
    Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It's a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    But the thing that you can't tolerate under any circumstances, however, is never closing the issue once and for all, leaving yourself open to potential emotional blackmail down the road. Germany was stupid enough to let this happen to them when the '68ers threw their tantrum. We got luckier, but it is clear what is wanted. Every crime is finite, no matter how huge: you've got to move on eventually. This is by no means limited to the reparations issues: note that many left-wing intellectuals-predominantly, though not always white-are always very careful never to give specific numbers on how many immigrants should come in a year, for example. It's never concrete. It's never agreed to.

    Thus, it'd prove prudent to have whatever can resolve this down on record to have something to point to should any gnat come over and try to extort you in the future. If that means cutting a deal directly with poorer black people-and this is to be explicitly limited to *descendants of slaves*-then so be it. Chances are they care about different things than upper-middle class lefties do, such as ending the War on Drugs, for example. And it certainly would lead to some interesting scenarios with richer blacks, who are more likely to be descended from slaveowners, than your average white person, many of whom didn't even have ancestors here in 1860.

    To hell with what the "Muh Free Market" types in the GOP think. Since when have they ever been right, politically or otherwise? Stop treating blacks like they are idiots and stop rambling on about Lincoln, they have damn good reasons for not voting Republican. You don't need their affection: you need coinciding interests, and long-term, I strongly doubt the other racial minorities in this nation are going to be jazzed about playing second fiddle to a minority they outnumber and outpower economically in the Democratic Party. The Coalition of the Fringes can and must be messed with: and there's no better primary target to mess with than the gentry/professional class and oligarchs who really control what once was the party of FDR. What's going to happen if Democratic candidates respond to a quote from Cesar Chavez on immigration and economics with arguments from the Cato Institute come election year?

    (What people miss in the rush to condemn the obvious immorality of the system was that it was also extremely retrograde by the mid-1800s. The agrarian plantation model would have needed increasing amounts of state resources to artificially prop it up in the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and would have retarded any nation that kept it as a mainstream feature. This is why I tend to take a dim view of CSA fanboys, not because I don't think the South could have won had a few things gone differently, but more because I think the CSA would have been a backwater hellhole in the long run, far from being a romantic rural paradise, and we'd all have been worse off.

    There were a few eventual Confederate leaders who did recognize this in the prewar period on these pragmatic grounds, as opposed to moral ones-Lee was one of them-and thus would have preferred long-term dismantlement of slavery to its perpetuation. But they were a minority in the hothouse pre-Civil War atmosphere. And they one that was essentially asking for the South to carte blanche solve it as they saw fit while the rest of the nation spent resources to keep it up as they moved along. I don't see how political accommodation would have been possible.)

    Pragmatically speaking, slavery was a big mistake and now you seem to be stuck with its products. But it’s also significant that basically everyone else has been permitted to forget about their slaver past.

    • Replies: @guest
    Have they? Maybe on a family basis, but collectively they're taught it was one of our many Original Sins.
    , @vinteuil

    But it’s also significant that basically everyone else has been permitted to forget about their slaver past.
     
    Hey, that's nothing - Muslims get to forget about their slaver present!
    , @S. Anonyia
    Why would they not forget about it? Do the great-grandchildren of a murderer/bank robber lose sleep over what gramps did? Hopefully not, it's not healthy.
    , @nebulafox
    Yes. Slavery throughout world history has usually been the rule, not the exception, especially when you consider serfdom buttered-up slavery. I am not arguing with that. I am also not arguing with the fact that it was Africans who sold other Africans to slavers from all kinds of ethnic backgrounds, not just European: and in a grimly ironic twist, many of the African immigrants who get AA treatment (say, that Igbo kid with the grades and scores to compete for an elite college) are probably their descendants.

    But how other countries deal with their pasts is irrelevant. That's their business. Apart from the "whataboutism" of it all-doesn't make what happened any less morally horrendous-American politics are what they are.

  158. @Reg Cæsar
    But Al Jaffee isn't. Who'd've thought he'd survive the magazine?

    Can you even do a fold-out (or fold-in, whatever) online?

    My kid just folded a 48-year-old Jaffee that I'd bought new on the stand, and still have.



    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Xc8AAOSwK6RZN1j~/s-l300.jpg

    It was inevitable. How could Mad Magazine compete with the larger news outlets?

  159. @Lurker
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ENNTd34nHRM/UQhUWe8Fq4I/AAAAAAAATNg/bIroLOec0cI/s320/a853cfd5_3994324380_16398cdc74.jpeg

    Colin Powell should’ve just said “No” rather than snort the contents of the vial of “WMD.”

  160. @Peripatetic Commenter
    And now a movie proving that those who commit hate crimes (including hair discrimination) will get what's coming to them!

    https://vimeo.com/345389018

    Vox Day has an IQ of 1,273, did you know? He keeps very quiet about it.

  161. @Kyle
    In future America the ministry of culture diversity and inclusivity will mandate that everyone buzz their head.

    Hope this law enables the balding/bald to sue the State on the grounds of discrimination. For too long have the hair-some (micro) aggressed against the hair-challanged. It’s an outrage!

  162. @nebulafox
    Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It's a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    But the thing that you can't tolerate under any circumstances, however, is never closing the issue once and for all, leaving yourself open to potential emotional blackmail down the road. Germany was stupid enough to let this happen to them when the '68ers threw their tantrum. We got luckier, but it is clear what is wanted. Every crime is finite, no matter how huge: you've got to move on eventually. This is by no means limited to the reparations issues: note that many left-wing intellectuals-predominantly, though not always white-are always very careful never to give specific numbers on how many immigrants should come in a year, for example. It's never concrete. It's never agreed to.

    Thus, it'd prove prudent to have whatever can resolve this down on record to have something to point to should any gnat come over and try to extort you in the future. If that means cutting a deal directly with poorer black people-and this is to be explicitly limited to *descendants of slaves*-then so be it. Chances are they care about different things than upper-middle class lefties do, such as ending the War on Drugs, for example. And it certainly would lead to some interesting scenarios with richer blacks, who are more likely to be descended from slaveowners, than your average white person, many of whom didn't even have ancestors here in 1860.

    To hell with what the "Muh Free Market" types in the GOP think. Since when have they ever been right, politically or otherwise? Stop treating blacks like they are idiots and stop rambling on about Lincoln, they have damn good reasons for not voting Republican. You don't need their affection: you need coinciding interests, and long-term, I strongly doubt the other racial minorities in this nation are going to be jazzed about playing second fiddle to a minority they outnumber and outpower economically in the Democratic Party. The Coalition of the Fringes can and must be messed with: and there's no better primary target to mess with than the gentry/professional class and oligarchs who really control what once was the party of FDR. What's going to happen if Democratic candidates respond to a quote from Cesar Chavez on immigration and economics with arguments from the Cato Institute come election year?

    (What people miss in the rush to condemn the obvious immorality of the system was that it was also extremely retrograde by the mid-1800s. The agrarian plantation model would have needed increasing amounts of state resources to artificially prop it up in the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and would have retarded any nation that kept it as a mainstream feature. This is why I tend to take a dim view of CSA fanboys, not because I don't think the South could have won had a few things gone differently, but more because I think the CSA would have been a backwater hellhole in the long run, far from being a romantic rural paradise, and we'd all have been worse off.

    There were a few eventual Confederate leaders who did recognize this in the prewar period on these pragmatic grounds, as opposed to moral ones-Lee was one of them-and thus would have preferred long-term dismantlement of slavery to its perpetuation. But they were a minority in the hothouse pre-Civil War atmosphere. And they one that was essentially asking for the South to carte blanche solve it as they saw fit while the rest of the nation spent resources to keep it up as they moved along. I don't see how political accommodation would have been possible.)

    Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It’s a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    Well, sure – but this all needs putting in context. (1) For most of human history, and in much of the world today, the moral acceptability of slavery was more or less taken for granted. Absolute moral condemnation of slavery is largely an innovation of Christendom and its modern secular offshoots. Whether that absolute condemnation will survive the death of Christendom remains an open question. (2) Slavery has taken all kinds of forms: the slavery of ancient peoples defeated in wars of conquest, mostly leading to rapid extinction; slavery in Classical Greece & Rome, which could range from very harsh (think of Penelope’s maids) to very mild (think of Tiro or Epictetus); slavery on Caribbean sugar plantations, where people were more or less worked to death; slavery in the American colonies, which, as AD points out above, led to a pretty remarkable population explosion…it was not a unitary phenomenon, and distinctions must be made. (3) Strangely enough, it’s the people who are loudest in their laments about the “legacy of slavery” in America who seem most sure that it was “beneficial for our nation” – or, at any rate, for our economy. They are continually insisting that the great wealth of the USA is mostly, if not entirely, built on the exploitation of slave labor. (4) Anyway, I guess my point is that, sure, slavery was a “dark chapter in our history,” but that isn’t all it was. It wasn’t just a story of white villains oppressing black victims. There should be room for some nuance, here.

  163. @Reg Cæsar
    But Al Jaffee isn't. Who'd've thought he'd survive the magazine?

    Can you even do a fold-out (or fold-in, whatever) online?

    My kid just folded a 48-year-old Jaffee that I'd bought new on the stand, and still have.



    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Xc8AAOSwK6RZN1j~/s-l300.jpg

    I remember Joe as one of the many hippie-era movies where reactionary characters go on murder rampages against longhairs. Why didn’t that happen in real life?

    • Replies: @SFG
    We have jobs.
  164. @nebulafox
    Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It's a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    But the thing that you can't tolerate under any circumstances, however, is never closing the issue once and for all, leaving yourself open to potential emotional blackmail down the road. Germany was stupid enough to let this happen to them when the '68ers threw their tantrum. We got luckier, but it is clear what is wanted. Every crime is finite, no matter how huge: you've got to move on eventually. This is by no means limited to the reparations issues: note that many left-wing intellectuals-predominantly, though not always white-are always very careful never to give specific numbers on how many immigrants should come in a year, for example. It's never concrete. It's never agreed to.

    Thus, it'd prove prudent to have whatever can resolve this down on record to have something to point to should any gnat come over and try to extort you in the future. If that means cutting a deal directly with poorer black people-and this is to be explicitly limited to *descendants of slaves*-then so be it. Chances are they care about different things than upper-middle class lefties do, such as ending the War on Drugs, for example. And it certainly would lead to some interesting scenarios with richer blacks, who are more likely to be descended from slaveowners, than your average white person, many of whom didn't even have ancestors here in 1860.

    To hell with what the "Muh Free Market" types in the GOP think. Since when have they ever been right, politically or otherwise? Stop treating blacks like they are idiots and stop rambling on about Lincoln, they have damn good reasons for not voting Republican. You don't need their affection: you need coinciding interests, and long-term, I strongly doubt the other racial minorities in this nation are going to be jazzed about playing second fiddle to a minority they outnumber and outpower economically in the Democratic Party. The Coalition of the Fringes can and must be messed with: and there's no better primary target to mess with than the gentry/professional class and oligarchs who really control what once was the party of FDR. What's going to happen if Democratic candidates respond to a quote from Cesar Chavez on immigration and economics with arguments from the Cato Institute come election year?

    (What people miss in the rush to condemn the obvious immorality of the system was that it was also extremely retrograde by the mid-1800s. The agrarian plantation model would have needed increasing amounts of state resources to artificially prop it up in the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and would have retarded any nation that kept it as a mainstream feature. This is why I tend to take a dim view of CSA fanboys, not because I don't think the South could have won had a few things gone differently, but more because I think the CSA would have been a backwater hellhole in the long run, far from being a romantic rural paradise, and we'd all have been worse off.

    There were a few eventual Confederate leaders who did recognize this in the prewar period on these pragmatic grounds, as opposed to moral ones-Lee was one of them-and thus would have preferred long-term dismantlement of slavery to its perpetuation. But they were a minority in the hothouse pre-Civil War atmosphere. And they one that was essentially asking for the South to carte blanche solve it as they saw fit while the rest of the nation spent resources to keep it up as they moved along. I don't see how political accommodation would have been possible.)

    Anyone who says girls are boys and boys girls or that race doesn’t exist won’t be taken seriously by the public either. Until they are. Because we’re shamed into belief.

  165. @Pericles
    Pragmatically speaking, slavery was a big mistake and now you seem to be stuck with its products. But it's also significant that basically everyone else has been permitted to forget about their slaver past.

    Have they? Maybe on a family basis, but collectively they’re taught it was one of our many Original Sins.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Basically every people on Earth has had slaves. Arabs and Africans most recently did and seem pretty unapologetic about it. The third world still does, though unofficially. As we have seen, every now and then third world slaves, held by third world masters, crop up in America. Probably in Europe too.
    , @Hail
    He is talking about other countries/races.

    IOW, only White-European-Christians are ever accused of slavery, or "historical guilt" related to slavery, when in fact some form of slavery (see range of definitions as provided by vinteuil) has been practiced (almost) everywhere and (almost) always.

  166. @AnotherDad

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.
     
    The single dumbest thing white people--or any people, come to think of it--have ever done.

    Blacks have been the benificiary of the most undeserved population expansion in world history.

    Usually you get earn a big population expansion by beating the some other guys in warfare--taking their land and their women and spreading your genes. But sub-saharan Africans got an incredible demographic expansion by ... having a slave society, being primitive enough to be easily enslaved and piggy backing on the colonization done by Europeans.

    Huge own goal by Euros. Huge undeserved win for blacks.

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, "man we owe you guys ... big time!"

    AD, I think it’s a little much to ask American blacks to thank American slave-owners & their descendants for buying them from their African captors – I mean, it’s not like the slave-owners were doing it out of charity! Presumably, they expected value for money.

    On the other hand, I wish there was a little more recognition on the part of American blacks (1) that their captors were fellow Africans, & (2) that those who ended up in the USA had, comparatively speaking, won the lottery.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    As Muhammad Ali said after visiting Zaire, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
    , @JackOH
    vinteuil, I've sometimes wondered if slavery as such is the actual grievance of some American Blacks, or is it the sale of enslaved African Blacks by their African Black owners to a strange people, European Whites, and the subsequent transportation to a strange non-African land, the American colonies?

    Seems to me if slavery is the actual grievance, there ought to be similar "reparations" claims lodged against the descendants of African Black slave owners. Some sort of shared culpability deal. There are no such "reparations" claims being lodged against African governments, AFAIK. Likewise with the sale of enslaved African Blacks---those Africans offering their slaves appear to be off the hook. Likewise, Black African slave owners knowingly sold their slaves to European Whites, a strange non-Black people, and knew their slaves would be transported to a strange country. Still, Black Africa is off the hook.

    If African Black slave owners had sold African slaves to Black American farmers, just as a thought experiment, would we hear any talk at all of "reparations", "legacy of slavery", and all that?

    What I'm suggesting is the argument for "reparations" may be intrinsically anti-White racist, or at least deeply flawed, by failure to include Black Africa.

    I've also wondered whether Portuguese or Dutch traders working the African coast were somehow arm-twisted into buying slaves. Is there a case that Black Africa corrupted European Whites, who'd mostly got rid of slavery in Europe, with the lure of cheap labor and mastery over other humans? Is it even possible to think of European Whites as victims of the slave trade?

  167. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    “Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It’s a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.”

    This is why we lose. Endlessly virtue signalling about historical misdeeds only serves to weaken social cohesion and increase racial guilt, making us easy pickings for envious racists with a bone to pick. The Japanese get this. That’s why they’ve excised much of the imperial army’s less savory actions during the second world war from history books. And you know what, they’re better off for it. “Slavery” happened. Big deal. Get over it. Slavery wasn’t unique in history and the descendants of slaves in the this country live better than in any place in Africa. We tolerate their crime and dysfunction, their destruction of our property values (including entire metropolitan areas), we let them fill our political discourse with racism and hate, we’ve tolerated their ruinous block voting on our politics (to the point where we can’t even defend ourselves against invasion), we’ve paid them endless billions in various social programs, our government doesn’t work and that partly their fault, we’ve put up with their voting empowering bigots who wish to curtail our speech rights, we’ve included them in our movies and television far beyond what is seemly … we even let one of them rule us. I feel zero guilt for slavery. Overall, they benefited mightily from it. I do however feel utter contempt for anyone on our side who preens about this subject, though. And rightfully so.

    • Agree: vinteuil
  168. @Desiderius
    guilt/shame : society :: pain : body

    They both serve as signals within a healthy society/body. This is common to all human civilizations. Christianity rightly practiced functions as a societal pain reliever, releasing excess guilt/shame that has already served its purpose.

    You can see in SJWs what happens when that release is denied.

    A bit off-topic, but I wonder if this has anything to do with the increasing popularity of sadomasochism?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    As if there could possibly be reliable sadistics, er, statistics.
  169. @Reg Cæsar
    But Al Jaffee isn't. Who'd've thought he'd survive the magazine?

    Can you even do a fold-out (or fold-in, whatever) online?

    My kid just folded a 48-year-old Jaffee that I'd bought new on the stand, and still have.



    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Xc8AAOSwK6RZN1j~/s-l300.jpg

    This is my all-time favorite music video, even though I don’t care much for the song (“My Son a Girl”?). It’s a tribute to Al Jaffee and the fold-in.

  170. @guest
    Have they? Maybe on a family basis, but collectively they're taught it was one of our many Original Sins.

    Basically every people on Earth has had slaves. Arabs and Africans most recently did and seem pretty unapologetic about it. The third world still does, though unofficially. As we have seen, every now and then third world slaves, held by third world masters, crop up in America. Probably in Europe too.

  171. @vinteuil
    AD, I think it's a little much to ask American blacks to thank American slave-owners & their descendants for buying them from their African captors - I mean, it's not like the slave-owners were doing it out of charity! Presumably, they expected value for money.

    On the other hand, I wish there was a little more recognition on the part of American blacks (1) that their captors were fellow Africans, & (2) that those who ended up in the USA had, comparatively speaking, won the lottery.

    As Muhammad Ali said after visiting Zaire, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”

    • Replies: @vinteuil

    As Muhammad Ali said after visiting Zaire, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
     
    And that was in 1974.
  172. @Pericles
    Pragmatically speaking, slavery was a big mistake and now you seem to be stuck with its products. But it's also significant that basically everyone else has been permitted to forget about their slaver past.

    But it’s also significant that basically everyone else has been permitted to forget about their slaver past.

    Hey, that’s nothing – Muslims get to forget about their slaver present!

  173. @guest
    I remember Joe as one of the many hippie-era movies where reactionary characters go on murder rampages against longhairs. Why didn't that happen in real life?

    http://www.tasteofcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Joe-1970.jpg

    We have jobs.

  174. @nebulafox
    Sikhs in general are a class act. Hard not to respect a people whose elderly men will put up their dukes and attempt to fight when mugged.

    Sikhs in general are a class act. Hard not to respect a people whose elderly men will put up their dukes and attempt to fight when mugged.

    I recall that viral story from a few years ago, but couldn’t find it online. But here’s another of a Sikh convenience store guy, armed with a slipper, tussling with a guy with a shotgun.

    https://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/58-year-old-sikh-shopkeeper-fights-off-a-shotgun-wielding-robber-with-his-chappal-248575.html

  175. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles

    UMich and Harvard prof: #MeToo wouldn’t have happened if Hillary won

     

    On day one of her presidency, Hillary would have travelled back in time to stop her pal Harvey.

    If memory serves, the quoted professor MacKinnon was one of the "rape is everywhere and everything" feminists in the 90s, right beside ole Dworkin. One more tenured lunatic, but of course that's now the official view of all the very serious universities of Clown World. I'm actually somewhat surprised she's still around.

    MacKinnon is one half of the Dynamic Duo, with Andrea Dworkin, who managed to invent the concept of “sexual harassment” as a form of discrimination.

    This June, probably in response to entreaties from the plaintiff’s bar, the NY State legislature removed the requirement in NY discrimination law that in order to prove a sexual harassment case, you had to show that the harassment had been, when viewed objectively, “severe” or “pervasive.” Now, the standard will be more like “whatever triggers me.”

    I have no doubt that Cuomo II will sign it into law. One less reason for any company to do business in New York.

    OT, I always thought that one thing that contributed to Dworkin’s rage against men was her strong resemblance to Leslie West.

  176. @vinteuil
    AD, I think it's a little much to ask American blacks to thank American slave-owners & their descendants for buying them from their African captors - I mean, it's not like the slave-owners were doing it out of charity! Presumably, they expected value for money.

    On the other hand, I wish there was a little more recognition on the part of American blacks (1) that their captors were fellow Africans, & (2) that those who ended up in the USA had, comparatively speaking, won the lottery.

    vinteuil, I’ve sometimes wondered if slavery as such is the actual grievance of some American Blacks, or is it the sale of enslaved African Blacks by their African Black owners to a strange people, European Whites, and the subsequent transportation to a strange non-African land, the American colonies?

    Seems to me if slavery is the actual grievance, there ought to be similar “reparations” claims lodged against the descendants of African Black slave owners. Some sort of shared culpability deal. There are no such “reparations” claims being lodged against African governments, AFAIK. Likewise with the sale of enslaved African Blacks—those Africans offering their slaves appear to be off the hook. Likewise, Black African slave owners knowingly sold their slaves to European Whites, a strange non-Black people, and knew their slaves would be transported to a strange country. Still, Black Africa is off the hook.

    If African Black slave owners had sold African slaves to Black American farmers, just as a thought experiment, would we hear any talk at all of “reparations”, “legacy of slavery”, and all that?

    What I’m suggesting is the argument for “reparations” may be intrinsically anti-White racist, or at least deeply flawed, by failure to include Black Africa.

    I’ve also wondered whether Portuguese or Dutch traders working the African coast were somehow arm-twisted into buying slaves. Is there a case that Black Africa corrupted European Whites, who’d mostly got rid of slavery in Europe, with the lure of cheap labor and mastery over other humans? Is it even possible to think of European Whites as victims of the slave trade?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I’ve sometimes wondered if slavery as such is the actual grievance of some American Blacks, or is it the sale of enslaved African Blacks by their African Black owners to a strange people, European Whites, and the subsequent transportation to a strange non-African land, the American colonies?
     
    Is the average black even aware that his ancestors were sold to whites by other blacks?

    IIRC, the 1970s TV series "Roots" depicts white slavers raiding the African coast for captives.
    , @vinteuil

    Is there a case that Black Africa corrupted European Whites, who’d mostly got rid of slavery in Europe, with the lure of cheap labor and mastery over other humans?
     
    In a word, yes. Over the course of centuries, the church made sporadic but real progress in stamping out the practice of slavery - and then, in the age of exploration, European adventurers discovered places like the Kingdom of Dahomey, with its wealth based on slavery, and found themselves all too ready to take advantage.
  177. @Pericles
    Pragmatically speaking, slavery was a big mistake and now you seem to be stuck with its products. But it's also significant that basically everyone else has been permitted to forget about their slaver past.

    Why would they not forget about it? Do the great-grandchildren of a murderer/bank robber lose sleep over what gramps did? Hopefully not, it’s not healthy.

  178. “Absolute moral condemnation of slavery is largely an innovation of Christendom and its modern secular offshoots.”

    I have but one response here —
    Spartacus.

    There has always been slaves, but the notion of abolition and the wrongness of slavery is some new christian ethos in fact, a careful read of scripture makes it clear that slavery was not outrightly unsanctioned, though the treatment of slaves would most lead to their being freed ——-

    The idea that there was slavery and suddenly christendom comes along and advances its ills in my view seems a stretch – given the nature of human beings.

  179. @nebulafox
    Agreed. Anybody who seriously argues that slavery was morally acceptable or somehow beneficial for our nation is not going to be taken seriously by the public, even the right-wing segments of it, and rightfully so. It's a dark chapter in our history and needs to be treated as such.

    But the thing that you can't tolerate under any circumstances, however, is never closing the issue once and for all, leaving yourself open to potential emotional blackmail down the road. Germany was stupid enough to let this happen to them when the '68ers threw their tantrum. We got luckier, but it is clear what is wanted. Every crime is finite, no matter how huge: you've got to move on eventually. This is by no means limited to the reparations issues: note that many left-wing intellectuals-predominantly, though not always white-are always very careful never to give specific numbers on how many immigrants should come in a year, for example. It's never concrete. It's never agreed to.

    Thus, it'd prove prudent to have whatever can resolve this down on record to have something to point to should any gnat come over and try to extort you in the future. If that means cutting a deal directly with poorer black people-and this is to be explicitly limited to *descendants of slaves*-then so be it. Chances are they care about different things than upper-middle class lefties do, such as ending the War on Drugs, for example. And it certainly would lead to some interesting scenarios with richer blacks, who are more likely to be descended from slaveowners, than your average white person, many of whom didn't even have ancestors here in 1860.

    To hell with what the "Muh Free Market" types in the GOP think. Since when have they ever been right, politically or otherwise? Stop treating blacks like they are idiots and stop rambling on about Lincoln, they have damn good reasons for not voting Republican. You don't need their affection: you need coinciding interests, and long-term, I strongly doubt the other racial minorities in this nation are going to be jazzed about playing second fiddle to a minority they outnumber and outpower economically in the Democratic Party. The Coalition of the Fringes can and must be messed with: and there's no better primary target to mess with than the gentry/professional class and oligarchs who really control what once was the party of FDR. What's going to happen if Democratic candidates respond to a quote from Cesar Chavez on immigration and economics with arguments from the Cato Institute come election year?

    (What people miss in the rush to condemn the obvious immorality of the system was that it was also extremely retrograde by the mid-1800s. The agrarian plantation model would have needed increasing amounts of state resources to artificially prop it up in the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and would have retarded any nation that kept it as a mainstream feature. This is why I tend to take a dim view of CSA fanboys, not because I don't think the South could have won had a few things gone differently, but more because I think the CSA would have been a backwater hellhole in the long run, far from being a romantic rural paradise, and we'd all have been worse off.

    There were a few eventual Confederate leaders who did recognize this in the prewar period on these pragmatic grounds, as opposed to moral ones-Lee was one of them-and thus would have preferred long-term dismantlement of slavery to its perpetuation. But they were a minority in the hothouse pre-Civil War atmosphere. And they one that was essentially asking for the South to carte blanche solve it as they saw fit while the rest of the nation spent resources to keep it up as they moved along. I don't see how political accommodation would have been possible.)

    what once was the party of FDR.

    What do you mean, “once”? He was the original fringe coalitionist.

  180. @Anonymous
    In reality - and in actual practice - there is *very very* little difference, both morally and we facto legally between the institution of black chattel slavery as practised in pre bellum USA and the advocacy of massive, uncontrolled third world pauper immigration - which is, of course, *the* prevailing economic and political dogma - rabidly and vociferously defended by the big bastards at The Economist - to the western world.

    Nonsense!, I hear you cry!, but the 'slaves' are volunteers out to better their lives!'.

    Perhaps. But the central crux of the matter is the same. The whole idea is to exploit them. And to exploit them viciously. The can be no tougher, more merciless taskmaster than the force of infinite competition driving the price of mere subsistence down to the barest fraction of a penny on a dollar. The advantage of The Economist advocated system is that the slaves, effectively, import themselves, sell themselves, and drive themselves - all at trivial cost to bottom line 'compensation' is reduced to the irreducible minimum which barely figures in the balance sheet.
    Asses are wiped, grapes are picked, floors are mopped for nothing, basically. For the owner class, what is there not to like?

    Good contribution. Please take a handle and keep contributing!

  181. @guest
    Have they? Maybe on a family basis, but collectively they're taught it was one of our many Original Sins.

    He is talking about other countries/races.

    IOW, only White-European-Christians are ever accused of slavery, or “historical guilt” related to slavery, when in fact some form of slavery (see range of definitions as provided by vinteuil) has been practiced (almost) everywhere and (almost) always.

  182. @Elmer T. Jones
    Kamala Harris should sport a fro to balance her 70s socio-political proposals. I for am look forward to the return of disco.

    Throw some water on her hair.

  183. @Kyle
    In future America the ministry of culture diversity and inclusivity will mandate that everyone buzz their head.

    It will help reduce lice and subsequent typhus outbreaks in the camps.

  184. Hail says: • Website
    @SFG
    Guilt.

    Even conservatives have to admit slavery was one of America's great moral failings. And Christianity, which is the moral foundation for many conservatives, does make one prone to guilt. (I am not saying Christianity has done nothing good over its 2000 years or in the history of the USA--it's the reason we have any morality at all--but it does predispose to guilt.)

    Now I don't think that means every white, including the majority with no connection to Southern slaveholders, have to bow and scrape forever, and I'm certainly no more likely to vote for a politician who doesn't have my interests in mind as a result...but you asked how/why.

    I am sure you would agree that ‘Guilt’ leaves much to be desired as a specific answer to why the Black Man is attributed Moral Superiority in US culture.

    I would point to the case of the Amerindian Red Man by way of contrast. The Red Man gets comparatively little respect in US culture. If ‘guilt’ over the relatively minor and brief historical experience of Subsaharan slavery in some areas of North America in the 18th century* and early-mid 19th century were the answer, then the Red men and women among us would be elevated to the position of gods, far morally superior even to our sacralized Blacks, considering that their fate is so far worse than that of Blacks, as we Europeans repossessed an entire continent from the former, rather than skimming off a small percent of a few African tribes and working them for a brief historical period.

    Yet guilt over Amerindian displacement, while it exists, is always less than that for Blacks. There is something else going on here.

    ___________

    * Subsaharan chattel slavery in the lowland areas of the southern British colonies in North America only really got going, in earnest (in 19th-century-recognizable form), during the early 18th century (earliest origins in the 1690s due to a White labor shortage), and ‘institutionalized,’ as they say, by the mid-18th century, becoming a problem that ended up solved by force of arms a century or so later.

    The median arrival date for African slaves is likely 18th century Q3. The average Black American of entirely slave-ancestry has a good deal more years of post-1865 free ancestry (potentially 165 years, as of today, factoring in the small-% of Free Blacks and the slaves freed during the war before 1865) than years of pre-1865 slave ancestry (potentially <100 years, depending on when the median arrival exactly was; it cannot realistically be over 120 years).

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I personally agree that what happened to the Red Man was worse. It's a bit rich to make such a huge deal out of participating in the African slave trade-which, while deplorable, was also far from unique-and comparatively ignore the wholesale displacement of a whole continent of people.

    But I think there are a few reasons why that doesn't get as much attention, and they are more probable than an organized conspiracy:

    1) A lot of tribes are deeply culturally taciturn. In this respect, Amerindian culture is the polar opposite of black culture, which tends to encourage extroversion. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but one will naturally make you more amenable to politics than the other. It's not that extremist native groups have been unknown in US history, but there is probably a strong cultural bias against the kind of mass politics you see with other ethnic groups.

    2) Reservations are usually out in the boondocks, often (though not always, of course) in sparsely populated states, whereas ghettos are located in inner cities: some of those cities being the homes of our elites, economic, political, and media. It's the typical bias against non-urban country that you see. Note that black people in the Mississippi Delta don't get as much attention as their urban counterparts, despite, if anything, being poorer.

    3) There aren't just as many of them. "African"-i.e, African-American, not African immigrant, because nobody bothered recording what nation the slaves came from-is the third largest descended ethnic group in the United States after Germans and Irish. Partly because of this, Amerindians who want to get off the reservation-often via the military-usually tend to assimilate wholesale into the culture of who they intermarry with.

    As a side note, the rates of native service in the US military relative to their population size are astounding: all the moreso considering the history. I wonder if part of that is the old cultural martial streak still lurking around, especially for the men. The notion of the Red Man as a peaceful proto-hippie figure is mostly a figment of 1970s white liberal imagination: many of them were warrior races and quite damned proud of it.

    , @SFG
    It was the old rhetorical tactic of stating a brief answer and then explaining; guess I should have expounded a little more on the source of the guilt. ;) I thought it was obvious; slavery was, indeed, a very bad thing done by white people to black people as part of the history of this country. Unlike the Jews, they haven't really made it up in the world afterward, so it persists, and it's always tempting to blame present dysfunction on past crimes (which aren't even all that past, to quote Faulkner--Jim Crow was around as recently as the 60s). I'm not going to vote for Kamala Harris or buy a book from Ta-Nehisi Coates, but I have to admit they have a point.

    I think nebulafox has your answer about black vs red. Native Americans are less talkative, more rural, and more likely to intermarry out (the one-drop rule never applied to Native Americans as far as I know), so there's less of a 'movement'.
  185. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard
    OT:

    Here's a YT clip of our stunningly beautiful and feminine new tennis messiah, Coco Gauff with all her glorious hair:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnyxTru1EI

    Yeah, with a voice deeper than 99% of soymales, this one is definitely already on the test, possibly HGH too.

    idk … Coco’s voice is well within normal girl range, perhaps a bit on the low side but rather pleasant overall. Her mannerisms are quite feminine, sweet, even coquettish. The long fake braids are unfortunate because it only draws attention to her scalp where her natural hair growth looks sparse. If she got a chiseled nose like Halle Berry perhaps Hollywood would come calling.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Yeah....no....
  186. @Jonathan Mason
    Rihanna's father is/was pretty light skinned, but Barbados is definitely one of the darker-skinned islands of the Caribbean and the population seems much less mixed than, say, Jamaica.

    The economy of Barbados in the eighteenth century depended largely on sugar plantations and large numbers of Africans were imported from Nigeria, Ghana, and the Congo. There were no Arawak or other native Americans on the island at the time of the British occupation.

    Jane Austen's aunt and other members of her family had interests in sugar plantations in Barbados and so, coincidentally, did the Bertram family at the center of her novel Mansfield Park

    In Barbados it is common for there to be jealousy towards lighter-skinned people, and teenage girls everywhere can be bitchy. I doubt whether it bothered Rihanna too much.

    http://www.tmymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Rihanna.jpg

    Barbados has produced numerous great cricketers like Sir Wes Hall. Most of them have been on the blacker side of dark.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/wes-hall-9c4a6f71-1e84-42f3-851b-b0d511ce512-resize-750.jpeg

    Barbados still has a small white population, met some when I holidayed there.

  187. @Hail
    I am sure you would agree that 'Guilt' leaves much to be desired as a specific answer to why the Black Man is attributed Moral Superiority in US culture.

    I would point to the case of the Amerindian Red Man by way of contrast. The Red Man gets comparatively little respect in US culture. If 'guilt' over the relatively minor and brief historical experience of Subsaharan slavery in some areas of North America in the 18th century* and early-mid 19th century were the answer, then the Red men and women among us would be elevated to the position of gods, far morally superior even to our sacralized Blacks, considering that their fate is so far worse than that of Blacks, as we Europeans repossessed an entire continent from the former, rather than skimming off a small percent of a few African tribes and working them for a brief historical period.

    Yet guilt over Amerindian displacement, while it exists, is always less than that for Blacks. There is something else going on here.

    ___________

    * Subsaharan chattel slavery in the lowland areas of the southern British colonies in North America only really got going, in earnest (in 19th-century-recognizable form), during the early 18th century (earliest origins in the 1690s due to a White labor shortage), and 'institutionalized,' as they say, by the mid-18th century, becoming a problem that ended up solved by force of arms a century or so later.

    The median arrival date for African slaves is likely 18th century Q3. The average Black American of entirely slave-ancestry has a good deal more years of post-1865 free ancestry (potentially 165 years, as of today, factoring in the small-% of Free Blacks and the slaves freed during the war before 1865) than years of pre-1865 slave ancestry (potentially <100 years, depending on when the median arrival exactly was; it cannot realistically be over 120 years).

    I personally agree that what happened to the Red Man was worse. It’s a bit rich to make such a huge deal out of participating in the African slave trade-which, while deplorable, was also far from unique-and comparatively ignore the wholesale displacement of a whole continent of people.

    But I think there are a few reasons why that doesn’t get as much attention, and they are more probable than an organized conspiracy:

    1) A lot of tribes are deeply culturally taciturn. In this respect, Amerindian culture is the polar opposite of black culture, which tends to encourage extroversion. I’m not saying one is better than the other, but one will naturally make you more amenable to politics than the other. It’s not that extremist native groups have been unknown in US history, but there is probably a strong cultural bias against the kind of mass politics you see with other ethnic groups.

    2) Reservations are usually out in the boondocks, often (though not always, of course) in sparsely populated states, whereas ghettos are located in inner cities: some of those cities being the homes of our elites, economic, political, and media. It’s the typical bias against non-urban country that you see. Note that black people in the Mississippi Delta don’t get as much attention as their urban counterparts, despite, if anything, being poorer.

    3) There aren’t just as many of them. “African”-i.e, African-American, not African immigrant, because nobody bothered recording what nation the slaves came from-is the third largest descended ethnic group in the United States after Germans and Irish. Partly because of this, Amerindians who want to get off the reservation-often via the military-usually tend to assimilate wholesale into the culture of who they intermarry with.

    As a side note, the rates of native service in the US military relative to their population size are astounding: all the moreso considering the history. I wonder if part of that is the old cultural martial streak still lurking around, especially for the men. The notion of the Red Man as a peaceful proto-hippie figure is mostly a figment of 1970s white liberal imagination: many of them were warrior races and quite damned proud of it.

  188. @Pericles
    Pragmatically speaking, slavery was a big mistake and now you seem to be stuck with its products. But it's also significant that basically everyone else has been permitted to forget about their slaver past.

    Yes. Slavery throughout world history has usually been the rule, not the exception, especially when you consider serfdom buttered-up slavery. I am not arguing with that. I am also not arguing with the fact that it was Africans who sold other Africans to slavers from all kinds of ethnic backgrounds, not just European: and in a grimly ironic twist, many of the African immigrants who get AA treatment (say, that Igbo kid with the grades and scores to compete for an elite college) are probably their descendants.

    But how other countries deal with their pasts is irrelevant. That’s their business. Apart from the “whataboutism” of it all-doesn’t make what happened any less morally horrendous-American politics are what they are.

  189. SFG says:
    @Hail
    I am sure you would agree that 'Guilt' leaves much to be desired as a specific answer to why the Black Man is attributed Moral Superiority in US culture.

    I would point to the case of the Amerindian Red Man by way of contrast. The Red Man gets comparatively little respect in US culture. If 'guilt' over the relatively minor and brief historical experience of Subsaharan slavery in some areas of North America in the 18th century* and early-mid 19th century were the answer, then the Red men and women among us would be elevated to the position of gods, far morally superior even to our sacralized Blacks, considering that their fate is so far worse than that of Blacks, as we Europeans repossessed an entire continent from the former, rather than skimming off a small percent of a few African tribes and working them for a brief historical period.

    Yet guilt over Amerindian displacement, while it exists, is always less than that for Blacks. There is something else going on here.

    ___________

    * Subsaharan chattel slavery in the lowland areas of the southern British colonies in North America only really got going, in earnest (in 19th-century-recognizable form), during the early 18th century (earliest origins in the 1690s due to a White labor shortage), and 'institutionalized,' as they say, by the mid-18th century, becoming a problem that ended up solved by force of arms a century or so later.

    The median arrival date for African slaves is likely 18th century Q3. The average Black American of entirely slave-ancestry has a good deal more years of post-1865 free ancestry (potentially 165 years, as of today, factoring in the small-% of Free Blacks and the slaves freed during the war before 1865) than years of pre-1865 slave ancestry (potentially <100 years, depending on when the median arrival exactly was; it cannot realistically be over 120 years).

    It was the old rhetorical tactic of stating a brief answer and then explaining; guess I should have expounded a little more on the source of the guilt. 😉 I thought it was obvious; slavery was, indeed, a very bad thing done by white people to black people as part of the history of this country. Unlike the Jews, they haven’t really made it up in the world afterward, so it persists, and it’s always tempting to blame present dysfunction on past crimes (which aren’t even all that past, to quote Faulkner–Jim Crow was around as recently as the 60s). I’m not going to vote for Kamala Harris or buy a book from Ta-Nehisi Coates, but I have to admit they have a point.

    I think nebulafox has your answer about black vs red. Native Americans are less talkative, more rural, and more likely to intermarry out (the one-drop rule never applied to Native Americans as far as I know), so there’s less of a ‘movement’.

  190. @AnotherDad

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.
     
    The single dumbest thing white people--or any people, come to think of it--have ever done.

    Blacks have been the benificiary of the most undeserved population expansion in world history.

    Usually you get earn a big population expansion by beating the some other guys in warfare--taking their land and their women and spreading your genes. But sub-saharan Africans got an incredible demographic expansion by ... having a slave society, being primitive enough to be easily enslaved and piggy backing on the colonization done by Europeans.

    Huge own goal by Euros. Huge undeserved win for blacks.

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, "man we owe you guys ... big time!"

    Mohammad Ali (f/k/a Cassius Clay) did say, after or during a visit to Africa, that he was very glad his ancestor got on that ship. Probably as close to a thank you as whites are likely to get.

  191. @Anonymous
    idk ... Coco’s voice is well within normal girl range, perhaps a bit on the low side but rather pleasant overall. Her mannerisms are quite feminine, sweet, even coquettish. The long fake braids are unfortunate because it only draws attention to her scalp where her natural hair growth looks sparse. If she got a chiseled nose like Halle Berry perhaps Hollywood would come calling.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eYI_-QNCgEU/Wdp56I160uI/AAAAAAAND3o/EITSbo7O_0AztSlhYXRsgrLceG_aZqc6wCLcBGAs/s400/a.png

    Yeah….no….

  192. @Budd Dwyer
    Toronto, what mess.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/christie-blatchford-panicked-reaction-to-students-fight-leaves-14-staffers-off-the-job-at-toronto-school

    Panicked reaction to students' fight leaves 14 staffers off the job at Toronto school


    The Toronto District School Board’s panicked handling of a fight between two Grade 7 students has left their school, so good it’s known internationally as the public equivalent of a posh private school, near ruin.

    At last count, eight school staff — senior administrators and teachers — at Glenview Senior Public School have been put on “home assignment” or “administrative leave,” interchangeable terms the school board uses for temporary paid suspensions.

    An additional six staff are on personal or stress leave...

    ...what happened at this midtown Toronto public school is not a fairy tale; it’s a cautionary story of a school board that has collapsed under the weight of its own political correctness...

    The girl’s mother is suing the board for $1.5 million, alleging the TDSB knew the girl had “been the target of bullying, harassment and assaults by a specific White student” and “racist verbal attacks,” and failed to protect her.

    But the girl involved came to Glenview with some baggage of her own: She’d been twice suspended at Glen Park elementary school, once for bullying a boy about his sexuality and allegedly using a homophobic and anti-Semitic slur, according to the boy’s parents.

    More important is that the girl’s mother, whom the National Post is identifying only as T.Q., had earned a reputation at the school as a terrifying force...
     
    Apparently, from a comment about the school on a Yahoo story about lawsuit, the school is almost exclusively white and Asian. And in an exclusive part of Toronto.

    Glenview Senior Public School is nestled in the heart of Lawrence Park, an uptown, upscale Toronto neighbourhood known for its winding tree-lined streets, its well-appointed homes and its affluent, educated residents, among them: doctors, lawyers, engineers and bankers. https://nationalpost.com/posted-toronto/joe-oconnor-occupy-toronto-assignment-has-parents-concerned-school-is-indoctrinating-the-kids
     
    Crazy tale of political correctness and diversity. From an earlier article:

    [The cuck white principal] Sirois sent home a letter to parents, acknowledging the gaps in procedures and apologizing, and admitting anti-black racism exists in the school.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/christie-blatchford-no-one-knows-how-to-fight-the-hysteria-of-this-kind-of-asymmetric-warfare
     

    “collapsed under the weight of its own political correctness”

    That pretty much sums up the forecast for every Liberal scheme of diversity–multicultural coercion on our culture/civilization. In the end, all these hair-brained ideas of equality eventually come back to eat them.

  193. @AnotherDad

    The Columbian discovery turned out to be a massive scheme for replacing the Native American population of large parts of the Americas (virtually all of the islands) with Africans.
     
    The single dumbest thing white people--or any people, come to think of it--have ever done.

    Blacks have been the benificiary of the most undeserved population expansion in world history.

    Usually you get earn a big population expansion by beating the some other guys in warfare--taking their land and their women and spreading your genes. But sub-saharan Africans got an incredible demographic expansion by ... having a slave society, being primitive enough to be easily enslaved and piggy backing on the colonization done by Europeans.

    Huge own goal by Euros. Huge undeserved win for blacks.

    And has a single black ever thanked us? Said, "man we owe you guys ... big time!"

    Keith Richburg comes to mind. Here is an excerpt from his 1997 book covering his experiences in Africa as a reporter for the Washington Post during the early 1990s, Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa. It’s pretty powerful account:

    Revulsion. Sorrow. Pity at the monumental waste of human life. They all come close, but don’t quite capture what I really feel. It’s a sentiment that began nagging me soon after I first set foot in Africa in late 1991. And it’s a gnawing feeling that kept coming back to me as bodies kept piling up, as the insanity of Africa deepened. It’s a feeling that pained me to admit, a sentiment that, when uttered aloud, might come across as callous, self-obessed, even racist.

    And yet I know exactly this feeling that haunts me; I’ve just been too embarrassed to say it. So let me drop the charade and put it as simply as I know how: There but for the grace of God go I.

    You see, I was seeing all of this horror a bit differently because of the color of my skin. I am an American, but a black man, a descendant of slaves brought from Africa. When I see these nameless, faceless, anonymous bodies washing over a waterfall or piled up on the back of trucks, what I see most is that they look like me.

    Sometime, maybe four hundred or so years ago, one of my ancestors was taken from his village, probably by a local chieftain. He was shackled in leg irons, kept in a holding pen or a dark pit, possibly at Goree Island off the coast of Senegal. And then he was put in the crowded, filthy cargo hold of a ship for the long and treacherous voyage across the Atlantic to the New World.

    Many of the slaves died on that voyage. But not my ancestor. Maybe it was because he was strong, maybe just stubborn, or maybe he had an irrepressible will to live. But he survived, and ended up in forced slavery working on plantations in the Caribbean. Generations on down the line, one of his descendants was taken to South Carolina. Finally, a more recent descendant, my father, moved to Detroit to find a job in an auto plant during the Second World War.

    And so it was that I came to be born in Detroit and that thirty-five years later, a black man born in white America, I was in Africa, birthplace of my ancestors, standing at the edge of a river not as an African but as an American journalist – a mere spectator – watching the bloated bodies of black Africans cascading over a waterfall. And that’s when I thought about how, if things had been different, I might have been one of them – or might have met some similar anonymous fate in one of the countless ongoing civil wars or tribal clashes on this brutal continent. And so I thank God my ancestor survived that voyage.

    — Keith Richburg, Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa, p. xxi–xxii

    A longer excerpt can be read here:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942943/posts

    • Replies: @Proud Infidel
    Thanks for this post. Read the larger excerpt and was astounded by the writer's honesty. Will buy the book and give copies for free.
  194. @SFG
    A bit off-topic, but I wonder if this has anything to do with the increasing popularity of sadomasochism?

    As if there could possibly be reliable sadistics, er, statistics.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Lies, damned lies, and sadistics.

    Now there's a bumper sticker for you.
  195. @Desiderius
    As if there could possibly be reliable sadistics, er, statistics.

    Lies, damned lies, and sadistics.

    Now there’s a bumper sticker for you.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Lies Wide Open
  196. @Cucksworth
    The hair thing is deep in their subconscious. A 7 year old black kid walked up to me and told me my hair was a weave. I am tall and white and male with hair past my nipples.

    Of course it is. Remember this incident which occurred in Rowlett, Texas back in 2015?

    If you haven’t, prepared to be enraged:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/29/brutal-rowlett-teen-attacker-now-in-custody-police-say-attack-was-premeditated/comment-page-1/

    Oh, and good luck finding that on YouTube.

  197. I wonder if black women care about Newsome’s shameless pandering. After all, most of the ones I see have straightened their kinky hair. They simply don’t like it, and will do anything to straighten it out, often spending lots of money.

  198. @95Theses
    Keith Richburg comes to mind. Here is an excerpt from his 1997 book covering his experiences in Africa as a reporter for the Washington Post during the early 1990s, Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa. It's pretty powerful account:

    Revulsion. Sorrow. Pity at the monumental waste of human life. They all come close, but don't quite capture what I really feel. It's a sentiment that began nagging me soon after I first set foot in Africa in late 1991. And it's a gnawing feeling that kept coming back to me as bodies kept piling up, as the insanity of Africa deepened. It's a feeling that pained me to admit, a sentiment that, when uttered aloud, might come across as callous, self-obessed, even racist.

    And yet I know exactly this feeling that haunts me; I've just been too embarrassed to say it. So let me drop the charade and put it as simply as I know how: There but for the grace of God go I.

    You see, I was seeing all of this horror a bit differently because of the color of my skin. I am an American, but a black man, a descendant of slaves brought from Africa. When I see these nameless, faceless, anonymous bodies washing over a waterfall or piled up on the back of trucks, what I see most is that they look like me.

    Sometime, maybe four hundred or so years ago, one of my ancestors was taken from his village, probably by a local chieftain. He was shackled in leg irons, kept in a holding pen or a dark pit, possibly at Goree Island off the coast of Senegal. And then he was put in the crowded, filthy cargo hold of a ship for the long and treacherous voyage across the Atlantic to the New World.

    Many of the slaves died on that voyage. But not my ancestor. Maybe it was because he was strong, maybe just stubborn, or maybe he had an irrepressible will to live. But he survived, and ended up in forced slavery working on plantations in the Caribbean. Generations on down the line, one of his descendants was taken to South Carolina. Finally, a more recent descendant, my father, moved to Detroit to find a job in an auto plant during the Second World War.

    And so it was that I came to be born in Detroit and that thirty-five years later, a black man born in white America, I was in Africa, birthplace of my ancestors, standing at the edge of a river not as an African but as an American journalist – a mere spectator – watching the bloated bodies of black Africans cascading over a waterfall. And that's when I thought about how, if things had been different, I might have been one of them – or might have met some similar anonymous fate in one of the countless ongoing civil wars or tribal clashes on this brutal continent. And so I thank God my ancestor survived that voyage.

    — Keith Richburg, Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa, p. xxi–xxii
     
    https://smile.amazon.com/Out-America-Confronts-Africa-Republic/dp/0465001874

    A longer excerpt can be read here:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942943/posts

    Thanks for this post. Read the larger excerpt and was astounded by the writer’s honesty. Will buy the book and give copies for free.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    It’s funny that you should mention that because that is exactly what I did when I first came to know Keith Richburg – I bought up 6 copies of this book in order to give 5 of them away as gifts, particularly for my friends who I knew would truly benefit from reading it.

    You know, I think it was essential for Richburg to make that journey to Africa for his mind to be changed and to see America with a proper perspective; to adopt an attitude of gratitude for the privilege of being born here and be able to lay claim to having American citizenship; and finally, to shed those resentments which characterizes the vast majority of black attitudes toward this nation and white people generally – who have given them so, so much more than they could ever hope to have or attain were they born in their ancestral homeland.

    Oh, and you're welcome! Cheers!
  199. @Pericles
    As Muhammad Ali said after visiting Zaire, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”

    As Muhammad Ali said after visiting Zaire, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”

    And that was in 1974.

  200. @216
    I'm not sure if there is A/A granted, but I've seen major corporations like Starbucks and Walmart run advertising campaigns about how they are hiring veterans. I would guess that perhaps 1/4th or more of the veterans are also PeeOhCee and eligible for other A/A, and something like 10% of the military is female IIRC.

    That’s just serendipitous public relations for them (“Say, Linda in HR noticed that some ten per cent of our employees are veterans; let’s incorporate that into an advertising campaign about how swell we are!”) which is not the same thing as the proactive activity regarding other groups (“We here at Megalocorp have a woke mandate to ‘do better on diversity’ so we are striving to increase hiring of persons of many colours by fifteen per cent in the next five years, and ensure at least three females are on the board of directors. We will also be shoveling money to the United Negro College Fund, La Raza, the National Organisation for Women, the Council for American-Isalmic Relations, and the Man-Boy Love Association – fifty million dollars to each!”) Some such outfits are True Believers; others cynics playing the required protection money to the hustlers – but they are doing it in either case. You won’t see anything approaching those efforts to employ veterans, acknowledge them, or donate to causes supporting them, outside niche outfits like Black Rifle Coffee.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Gah! I ran out of time to edit in my effort to add an illustrative example:

    Many, many corporations do not give their employees Veterans' Day off (some not even Memorial Day!), but those same employers would never dream of not shutting down for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day – in part because they know full well the savagery it would unleash.

    Likewise, compare how many sponsor and participate in the recent surge of parades and such celebrating homosexual pride to how many employers support and participate in, say, parades or ceremonies for Veterans' Day (or even Memorial Day, or Independence Day).
  201. @Autochthon
    That's just serendipitous public relations for them ("Say, Linda in HR noticed that some ten per cent of our employees are veterans; let's incorporate that into an advertising campaign about how swell we are!") which is not the same thing as the proactive activity regarding other groups ("We here at Megalocorp have a woke mandate to 'do better on diversity' so we are striving to increase hiring of persons of many colours by fifteen per cent in the next five years, and ensure at least three females are on the board of directors. We will also be shoveling money to the United Negro College Fund, La Raza, the National Organisation for Women, the Council for American-Isalmic Relations, and the Man-Boy Love Association – fifty million dollars to each!") Some such outfits are True Believers; others cynics playing the required protection money to the hustlers – but they are doing it in either case. You won't see anything approaching those efforts to employ veterans, acknowledge them, or donate to causes supporting them, outside niche outfits like Black Rifle Coffee.

    Gah! I ran out of time to edit in my effort to add an illustrative example:

    Many, many corporations do not give their employees Veterans’ Day off (some not even Memorial Day!), but those same employers would never dream of not shutting down for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day – in part because they know full well the savagery it would unleash.

    Likewise, compare how many sponsor and participate in the recent surge of parades and such celebrating homosexual pride to how many employers support and participate in, say, parades or ceremonies for Veterans’ Day (or even Memorial Day, or Independence Day).

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Off topic, but how do you embed hyperlinks into your comments? I had this pretty well mastered when I was using Disqus, but I don't see anything on UR even close to that in the above comment box options – as in, say, bold, italics, or blockquotes.

    Care to share? Thanks!

  202. Anonymous [AKA "eiastkekeistanisawhiteguy"] says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard
    OT:

    Here's a YT clip of our stunningly beautiful and feminine new tennis messiah, Coco Gauff with all her glorious hair:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnyxTru1EI

    Yeah, with a voice deeper than 99% of soymales, this one is definitely already on the test, possibly HGH too.

    white people have the most high pitched voice of all races its ashame for your size your voice neds tobe as deep as blacks , asians have the deepest voice of all races and the loudest.The britshits have to practice from a young age otherwise you light eyed curly haired inferiors should be squeeki like your neighbours

  203. @Reg Cæsar
    Lies, damned lies, and sadistics.

    Now there's a bumper sticker for you.

    Lies Wide Open

  204. @Proud Infidel
    Thanks for this post. Read the larger excerpt and was astounded by the writer's honesty. Will buy the book and give copies for free.

    It’s funny that you should mention that because that is exactly what I did when I first came to know Keith Richburg – I bought up 6 copies of this book in order to give 5 of them away as gifts, particularly for my friends who I knew would truly benefit from reading it.

    You know, I think it was essential for Richburg to make that journey to Africa for his mind to be changed and to see America with a proper perspective; to adopt an attitude of gratitude for the privilege of being born here and be able to lay claim to having American citizenship; and finally, to shed those resentments which characterizes the vast majority of black attitudes toward this nation and white people generally – who have given them so, so much more than they could ever hope to have or attain were they born in their ancestral homeland.

    Oh, and you’re welcome! Cheers!

  205. @Autochthon
    Gah! I ran out of time to edit in my effort to add an illustrative example:

    Many, many corporations do not give their employees Veterans' Day off (some not even Memorial Day!), but those same employers would never dream of not shutting down for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day – in part because they know full well the savagery it would unleash.

    Likewise, compare how many sponsor and participate in the recent surge of parades and such celebrating homosexual pride to how many employers support and participate in, say, parades or ceremonies for Veterans' Day (or even Memorial Day, or Independence Day).

    Off topic, but how do you embed hyperlinks into your comments? I had this pretty well mastered when I was using Disqus, but I don’t see anything on UR even close to that in the above comment box options – as in, say, bold, italics, or blockquotes.

    Care to share? Thanks!

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Mr. Unz has enabled HTML in the comments:

    italicize: text
    embolden: text
    strike through: text
    offset quotations:

    text
     
    And so on....

    (I actually very recently hosed a quotation in a recent comment by not closing the tag properly and you can see a chunk if the incorrect hypertext, along with the run-on quotation....)

    You can embed an image or video by just pasting the link to the file (it will end in .jpg or .gif or .png etc....) or pasting a hyperlink to YouTube (I don't know if video from other servers can be directly embedded).

    Some examples from images, because, of course, the hypertext I am adding won't show up in your browser...).

    A embedded hyperlink:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RGG9QFJFYrw/hqdefault.jpg

    Common tags for fonts:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rmqyIN3KvA8/maxresdefault.jpg

    Here's a crash course if you aren't used to writing HTML (there are a million such sites; pick one you like).
  206. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH
    vinteuil, I've sometimes wondered if slavery as such is the actual grievance of some American Blacks, or is it the sale of enslaved African Blacks by their African Black owners to a strange people, European Whites, and the subsequent transportation to a strange non-African land, the American colonies?

    Seems to me if slavery is the actual grievance, there ought to be similar "reparations" claims lodged against the descendants of African Black slave owners. Some sort of shared culpability deal. There are no such "reparations" claims being lodged against African governments, AFAIK. Likewise with the sale of enslaved African Blacks---those Africans offering their slaves appear to be off the hook. Likewise, Black African slave owners knowingly sold their slaves to European Whites, a strange non-Black people, and knew their slaves would be transported to a strange country. Still, Black Africa is off the hook.

    If African Black slave owners had sold African slaves to Black American farmers, just as a thought experiment, would we hear any talk at all of "reparations", "legacy of slavery", and all that?

    What I'm suggesting is the argument for "reparations" may be intrinsically anti-White racist, or at least deeply flawed, by failure to include Black Africa.

    I've also wondered whether Portuguese or Dutch traders working the African coast were somehow arm-twisted into buying slaves. Is there a case that Black Africa corrupted European Whites, who'd mostly got rid of slavery in Europe, with the lure of cheap labor and mastery over other humans? Is it even possible to think of European Whites as victims of the slave trade?

    I’ve sometimes wondered if slavery as such is the actual grievance of some American Blacks, or is it the sale of enslaved African Blacks by their African Black owners to a strange people, European Whites, and the subsequent transportation to a strange non-African land, the American colonies?

    Is the average black even aware that his ancestors were sold to whites by other blacks?

    IIRC, the 1970s TV series “Roots” depicts white slavers raiding the African coast for captives.

  207. @95Theses
    Off topic, but how do you embed hyperlinks into your comments? I had this pretty well mastered when I was using Disqus, but I don't see anything on UR even close to that in the above comment box options – as in, say, bold, italics, or blockquotes.

    Care to share? Thanks!

    Mr. Unz has enabled HTML in the comments:

    italicize: text
    embolden: text
    strike through: text
    offset quotations:

    text

    And so on….

    (I actually very recently hosed a quotation in a recent comment by not closing the tag properly and you can see a chunk if the incorrect hypertext, along with the run-on quotation….)

    You can embed an image or video by just pasting the link to the file (it will end in .jpg or .gif or .png etc….) or pasting a hyperlink to YouTube (I don’t know if video from other servers can be directly embedded).

    Some examples from images, because, of course, the hypertext I am adding won’t show up in your browser…).

    A embedded hyperlink:

    Common tags for fonts:

    Here’s a crash course if you aren’t used to writing HTML (there are a million such sites; pick one you like).

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Oh, okay. So inserting a hyperlink is the same as Disqus. Cool! I already know how to do that! Thanks!

    Now I wonder if other variations for bold text, et al, are permitted (as in <strongx , </strongx minus the "x" for the right caret ).

    Guess I'll be conducting some experiments. ツ

    And thanks for replying.

  208. @JackOH
    vinteuil, I've sometimes wondered if slavery as such is the actual grievance of some American Blacks, or is it the sale of enslaved African Blacks by their African Black owners to a strange people, European Whites, and the subsequent transportation to a strange non-African land, the American colonies?

    Seems to me if slavery is the actual grievance, there ought to be similar "reparations" claims lodged against the descendants of African Black slave owners. Some sort of shared culpability deal. There are no such "reparations" claims being lodged against African governments, AFAIK. Likewise with the sale of enslaved African Blacks---those Africans offering their slaves appear to be off the hook. Likewise, Black African slave owners knowingly sold their slaves to European Whites, a strange non-Black people, and knew their slaves would be transported to a strange country. Still, Black Africa is off the hook.

    If African Black slave owners had sold African slaves to Black American farmers, just as a thought experiment, would we hear any talk at all of "reparations", "legacy of slavery", and all that?

    What I'm suggesting is the argument for "reparations" may be intrinsically anti-White racist, or at least deeply flawed, by failure to include Black Africa.

    I've also wondered whether Portuguese or Dutch traders working the African coast were somehow arm-twisted into buying slaves. Is there a case that Black Africa corrupted European Whites, who'd mostly got rid of slavery in Europe, with the lure of cheap labor and mastery over other humans? Is it even possible to think of European Whites as victims of the slave trade?

    Is there a case that Black Africa corrupted European Whites, who’d mostly got rid of slavery in Europe, with the lure of cheap labor and mastery over other humans?

    In a word, yes. Over the course of centuries, the church made sporadic but real progress in stamping out the practice of slavery – and then, in the age of exploration, European adventurers discovered places like the Kingdom of Dahomey, with its wealth based on slavery, and found themselves all too ready to take advantage.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    vinteuil, thanks.
  209. @Autochthon
    Mr. Unz has enabled HTML in the comments:

    italicize: text
    embolden: text
    strike through: text
    offset quotations:

    text
     
    And so on....

    (I actually very recently hosed a quotation in a recent comment by not closing the tag properly and you can see a chunk if the incorrect hypertext, along with the run-on quotation....)

    You can embed an image or video by just pasting the link to the file (it will end in .jpg or .gif or .png etc....) or pasting a hyperlink to YouTube (I don't know if video from other servers can be directly embedded).

    Some examples from images, because, of course, the hypertext I am adding won't show up in your browser...).

    A embedded hyperlink:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RGG9QFJFYrw/hqdefault.jpg

    Common tags for fonts:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rmqyIN3KvA8/maxresdefault.jpg

    Here's a crash course if you aren't used to writing HTML (there are a million such sites; pick one you like).

    Oh, okay. So inserting a hyperlink is the same as Disqus. Cool! I already know how to do that! Thanks!

    Now I wonder if other variations for bold text, et al, are permitted (as in <strongx , </strongx minus the "x" for the right caret ).

    Guess I'll be conducting some experiments. ツ

    And thanks for replying.

  210. @vinteuil

    Is there a case that Black Africa corrupted European Whites, who’d mostly got rid of slavery in Europe, with the lure of cheap labor and mastery over other humans?
     
    In a word, yes. Over the course of centuries, the church made sporadic but real progress in stamping out the practice of slavery - and then, in the age of exploration, European adventurers discovered places like the Kingdom of Dahomey, with its wealth based on slavery, and found themselves all too ready to take advantage.

    vinteuil, thanks.

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