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  1. • Agree: deep anonymous, BB753
    • Disagree: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Thomm

    Whether the fix is in, as it was in 2020, is debatable. This time, all but the retarded with real faith in sacred democracy know that the Anglo-Zionist Empire is itching for WW3. Especially the Israel part of the Anglo-Zionist empire.

    So the matter for the American Deep State Anglo-Zionists is: assuming that Israel is going to force total war on Iran and that Russia especially but also China must act in Iran's defense, who would be the better figurehead for the US during WW3: Trump or Harris?

    The Deep State may still be deciding that matter.

    We do not live in the country that George Washington assumed he was helping found. We live in that country that began selling its soul to global commerce, via its globalist traders the Yankee WASPs. Once they acquired domination over the whole of the nation, they began reforming it to mirror the British Empire, which led directly to it taking over for the British Empire.

    Thus America totally controlled by Yankee WASPs became the BOSS over globalist Anglo-Zionist Empire. And now we are seeing that Empire 's leaders determined to rule the entire globe. No exceptions. Oceania intends to defeat both Eurasia and Eastasia. And that requires the Anglo-Zionist Empire to totally defeat Iran. Why? Saudis have shown that they will whore to Anglo-Zionism any time the price is right, but Iranians have retained a basic sense of honor and decency. Plus, Russia needs Iran to stand against Anglo-Zionism and will back Iran for that purpose.

    So WW3 is planned now to start against Iran. They hoped to protect Israel with that whole Ukraine thing, but that aint working out at all. It seems that UKrainian Nazis have their own issues (like hating Poles and Jews about as much as they hate anybody) that make them less than ideal for Anglo-Zionism, plus Jews have so raped the Ukraine in so many ways that there is no actual Ukrainian spirit left to want to defend that fake country created by Anglo-Zionists to use as a weapon to attack Eurasia.

    So, who do the Neocons most want as President for WW3? Trump or Harris? Which will do their exact bidding the quickest and/or the most efficiently? Which can control the American population best when it starts readying to protest that war which will be a shit show of horror.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Anonymous
    @Thomm

    Absolutely. Dems are arrogant enough to blatantly pull it off too.

    , @BB753
    @Thomm

    Some people keep pretending that the 2020 steal didn't happen or can't be replicated.

    , @Jon Halpenny
    @Thomm

    I expect Trump will win. The zionist lobby decided to throw its weight behind him after the events of October 7, 2023.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @indocon
    @Thomm

    Harris wins in a landslide - Dems win the house and at worst end up with 49 senate seats which will still give them the majority with Lisa Murkowski showing the Republicans the Murk. It's amazing how smart people on the right side are completely discounting this tsunami of discontent on abortion.

    Replies: @Curle

  2. Trump, by a comfortable margin in the Electoral College is the way to bet. I assume the polls showing a tight race in the swing states are more or less rigged to save down-ballot Democrats in the Senate and House by encouraging core Dem voters to vote. Personally, I’d like to see the Democrat Party punished for a generation for foisting manifestly unfit Biden (and then Harris) on the USA, but that’s unlikely to say the least.

    Repubs will likely retain the House and get a 51-49 Senate, but whether they can pick up seats in swing states OH,WI and PA to buffer an unfavorable map in ’26 and add enough seats in the House to get meaningful legislative reforms–Trump’s “coattails”–that is a prop bet I’m not willing to risk my (nonexistent) prognosticator’s reputation on.

    • Agree: Pixo, J.Ross, muggles
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Rahuthedotard


    Trump, by a comfortable margin in the Electoral College is the way to bet.
     
    I guess if I'm going to put down a number than I'll go with 297-241 Trump.

    I.e. Harris wins--or steals--just one of the swingers. But that's the uncertainty.

    Harris has a ton of money, it is not impossible that the Parasite Party ground game can get their voters ballots to the polls bin. I'm not sure the polls and "likely voter" models account for the level of ballot harvesting these people can do. So almost anything is possible. And a lot of normie Americans could wake up November 6th--or 7th or 8th--and have a very bad taste in their mouth, realizing the whole "America a democracy" thing has been tossed out the window.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Rahuthedotard

    After the election, the msm will announce that Harris has won, 306-232.

    If the democrats are really feeling cheeky, they’ll give the election to Harris, 538-0.

    Actual count: 306-232, Trump victorious.

    What do you expect? We live in a totalitarian country.

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Corvinus

  3. My bet is that Trump wins, and there’s a decent chance of a Republican sweep. If you agree (or disagree), you can place your own bets on Kalshi now–they got the green light to take legal election bets in the U.S. recently. And unlike PredictIt, which takes a 5% fee on the way out, Kalshi isn’t taking any fees currently.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Dave Pinsen

    Interesting

  4. Trump “wins” then K. Harris WINS!!11!!

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @newrouter

    If you look at the chart of 2020 election suspicious and presumptively invalid ballots in key states - image below - it is notable that the numbers of such ballots are many multiples of the margin by which 'Biden won'.

    Keeping in mind that 2020 vote fraud evidence was never fully adjudicated by any court, the courts merely dismissing to try the case based on various technicalities of standing of parties, jurisdiction etc ... the typical USA court stitch up where there is no actual trial of evidence -

    With the vote fraud framework still largely in place, and these 2020 numbers, it seems possible we are indeed being prepared for another rug pull of 'late ballots' handing the win to Kamala ... some suspecting that the USA system controllers are openly seeking to incite some MAGA violence, which would be the pretence for dropping the oppression hammer and going full-on with left wing tyranny to counter right-wing 'terrorism'

    Notably, Nate Silver has recently flipped to predicting a Kamala Harris win, so now both of the USA top prediction guys, Silver and Allan Lichtman (both Jewish, for those who like to know such things), now say it's Kamala, against the Trump 'momentum'

    https://files.catbox.moe/7892o3.jpg

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Prester John, @Thirdtwin

    , @Santoculto
    @newrouter

    Even if Trump wins, at long term, zionist hegemony is winning anyway...

  5. I don’t know who will win, but I predict it’ll be several days before we know for sure.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @prosa123

    I knew you would say that.

  6. “… it’s on your permanent record.”

    Yes, yes, it’s going to be on your permanent record, along with facial recognition, purchases, travels, texts, emails, phone calls, IP addresses, and every single fucking thing that you do.

    No matter who you vote for, the future is going to be a scary place, but you can pretend that this election will make a difference.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk


    No matter who you vote for, the future is going to be a scary place, but you can pretend that this election will make a difference.
     
    Sadly, what was Enoch-Powell level of realism and a firm repudiation of minoritarianism 60+ years ago when these worms started pushing it.

    By now the fabric of what was America is pretty worm eaten as witness by the fact that this vapid, anti-white whore has even a chance of winning the Presidency and certainly will get 45%+ of the national vote even in a "best case" scenario.


    Even if Trump wins--as he should--our slumping-toward-Brazil future looks grim. This really does look like "the Chinese Century". They too have their issues--they have to crack the fertility issue--and a parasitic elite. But what they do not have is an establishment in thrall to this minoritarian/immigrationist idiocy, utterly dominant in our feminized media and elite institutions.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Houston 1992

  7. Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

    The GOP has already lost seats it should have won because of the issue.

    But I understand Jesus is building them an extra big mansion in heaven right now.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    There's a saying in military strategy: "no plan survives contact with the enemy."

    The pro-lifers after Dobbs v Jackson had no plan to deal with the backlash they caused.

    Replies: @Pop Warner

    , @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You are backwards in your first paragraph. It is the Republicans and alleged 'conservatives who demand that Middle Americans, especially Christian conservatives, give them their all while the Republicans and pressed 'conservatives' give only lip service to their voting base.

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Anonymous
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    No, you don't understand, I just have to kill babies!!!

    , @AnotherDad
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

     
    For the record, this--as Kaiser was poking at--is ahistorical.

    The usual quick and dirty of the modern Republican party in the 6th party system was that it was a triad of
    -- national security hawks
    -- fiscal (or at least "lower taxes!") conservatives
    -- and social conservatives.
    The social conservatives provided the most votes, but the Republicans actual program in office--especially Reagan on--was heavy defense spending (against the Soviets and then for the neocon's wars) and marginal tax rate cuts, but essentially nothing for the social conservatives.

    Normie/traditionalist angst--worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life--was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual "pro-family" policy was--still is--essentially non-existent.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @James B. Shearer, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

  8. Anonymous[384] • Disclaimer says:

    The fact that Trump is leading in battleground polling and either tied or leading in national polls tells me that he will win handily.

    Maybe it takes a few days at worst, but we will likely know on election night that he is the winner.

    He may even win the popular vote at this rate.

    Black turnout in Georgia and Wisconsin and way down.

    Republicans are leading in the early vote in Nevada, something that hasn’t happened in decades.

    Kamala is toast.

    Trump will win. I guarantee it. No need for anyone here to worry.

    I also bet about $45,000 on it on this website called Kalshi, you can bet on the election there. Easiest money I’ll ever make, it’s basically a legalized bank robbery at this point. The safe is open and I’m getting my stack of 100’s.

  9. Trump will win in a blow out.

    Dan Kurt

  10. The image in my first comment :

    Normal Americans are doomed, since even cuckservatives seem to be ok with vote fraud, so now it is going to be +5, +6, or more.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Thomm

    Your scale is exaggerated, but the topology is true. D is running 3.6% ahead of R in early polling, which means it will have a 3.6% later boost. Since 3.6% is likely to be larger than the margin of win, Trump is on perfectly solid ground to allege election fraud when the 3.6% shows up after all the R is counted.

    , @22pp22
    @Thomm

    Agree

  11. Democrats — lacking “fortification” or credibility — take the L and plan to come back stronger with a much better candidate later. Trump is like Reagan ’80, complete with economic crisis and foreign policy minefield, but he fixes it. Michigan is red for the God-Emperor. I voted today. The pens were correct. Not fortified. Do not despair.

  12. What’s Going to Happen in the Election?

    The globalist oligarchic elite will get a candidate they can live with

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian, mc23
  13. @prosa123
    I don't know who will win, but I predict it'll be several days before we know for sure.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I knew you would say that.

  14. I’m predicting a Kamala “win” (heavy on the quote-unquote) and then God-knows-what after that.

    Obviously I don’t want that to be the case. I think there’s a lot of potential for genuine, long-lasting reform presented by the team Trump has assembled. But due to this, I just can’t see how our totalitarian Establishment is going to let them anywhere near the levers of power.

    There was a ton of hanky-panky going on in 2020 (withholding the Pfizer vax trial, censoring right-wingers on social media, relentless anti-Trump propaganda by the MSM, squelching the Hunter laptop scandal, endless lawfare, possible ballot fraud, etc.) I expect them to do worse now, in 2024, in the few remaining days before the voting closes.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Matthew Kelly

    I am predicting Trump win and then God-knows-what after that. FIFY.

  15. Trump will win because people are worse off than four years ago. You have record numbers of people working a second job and record levels of credit card and household debt as average working class people struggle to make ends meet. This includes working class Blacks and Hispanics and they will help Trump win.

    The Covid lockdowns and the money printing to offset the negative economic effects of the lockdowns ended up having a worse economic effect than imagined by leading to high inflation and a lower standard of living. Florida which, adjusted for age distribution, had a Covid death rate at the national average turned out to have the right policy in not following along.

    High levels of immigration helped result in sluggish economic growth, since the quality of many of the immigrants was quite low. We continued to waste money on overseas wars, several hundred overseas military bases and a huge military to deal with an imaginary threat of various new Hitlers out to conquer the world. It will be the combination of the inflation, immigration and imperialism problems that will help Trump get a second term.

    • Replies: @NoBodyImportant
    @Mark G.

    And Trump is STILL going to support the damn wars, which a lot of you keep ignoring. He's STILL going to bring over "immigrants" just legal ones which is no better than the illegals.

    , @Bragadocious
    @Mark G.


    The Covid lockdowns and the money printing to offset the negative economic effects of the lockdowns ended up having a worse economic effect than imagined by leading to high inflation and a lower standard of living

     

    Nah, inflation was under control in Jan. 2021. The problem was Biden-Harris' "net zero" carbon policy and the shutting down of oil and gas leases on federal lands. That was the first body blow. The second came after the Ukraine war and the sanctions on Russia, which sent the price of energy soaring. That was the killer blow. Biden spinned it as "Putin's price hike" but Putin had nothing to do with it. It was Biden, always.

    Speaking of Covid, I believe Trump is leaving money on the table by not hammering Biden-Harris six ways to Sunday on their vax mandates and vicious demonization of vaccine refuseniks.

    Replies: @Corn

  16. Polymarket

    https://polymarket.com/elections

    is quoting 65.5% for Trump win.

    It is also quoting 58% Harris popular vote win. 2016 redux?

    On the other hand, University of Florida Election lab has early vote data. They say:

    Early votes by party are 39.9% D, 36.3% R, 23.8% I, indicating better D enthusiasm? ground game?

    By gender: 54.2% F, 43.8% M, indicating more woman power, helping D?

    https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @epebble

    You have to look at early vote versus the same early vote on the same day and state as 2020 and 2016.

    So Dems have a huge lead in PA but much less than before.

    In GA rural areas the early vote starts later than black Atlanta so the GOP closes strong the last week before the election.

    Trump is doing great in the EV!

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Wilkey
    @epebble

    I predict that Trump will win, but if there's a smidgen of doubt it's a result of the fact that Democrats overperformed in the 2022 mid-terms and seem to have outperformed in most of the special elections I've read about.

    I don't think that enthusiasm will carry over into this election, but it might.

    The bigger problem Republicans have, long-term, is that Democrats are well on their way to replacing the American voter with foreigners. In 2016 Trump won by less than 80,000 votes total in Michigan, Pennsylvania & Wisconsin. How many (overwhelmingly Democratic) immigrants have been naturalized since then? How many anchor babies have turned 18 since then?

    , @Wilkey
    @epebble


    Early votes by party are 39.9% D, 36.3% R, 23.8% I, indicating better D enthusiasm? ground game? By gender: 54.2% F, 43.8% M, indicating more woman power, helping D?
     
    I would also add: the results you linked to show much stronger early voting turnout among both whites (65.7%) and older voters, with 80% of all early votes cast by people over 40. And Republicans lead for in-person voting with 40.3% compared to 31.4% for Democrats.
    , @Curle
    @epebble

    Ds tend to lead in the early vote and Rs come on strong at the end as has been mentioned. Also, party ID is least predictive in presidential races, or so I’m told.

  17. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:

    No Covid, worsening situation in the country on basically all fronts, the leftists overplaying their hand for several yeas and making a final mistake to offer two very weak candidates in succession, with the last one running a very dumb campaign.

    These are all fundamentals that normally should guarantee a Trump’s win. That it will still be close only means that we are too far gone as a country, with our young being brainwashed by the leftists and our media becoming a fifth column working toward total leftist takeover.

    But Trump should win nevertheless. And when he does, he must first pardon every non-violent J6 convict and then order a thorough audit of all 2024 election results with the aim of jailing everyone involved in cheating (which, even if not consequential, is undoubtedly still significant).

  18. Elon Musk will be the next NASA administrator.

    And we’re gonna go to Mars.

    • LOL: epebble
  19. Trump’s lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Plus, Harris is so unpopular that many Democrats just aren’t on board. Is Zuckerberg sponsoring collecting ballots this time around? I know both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post are refusing to endorse Harris. Would they cooperate again in a Russian collusion fraud or overlooking election irregularities?

    I think Trump’s going to win, and the win won’t be taken away from him.

    People I want to see active in the new administration. J.D. Vance, Elon Musk, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Tulsi Gabbard, Mayra Flores…

    Marjorie Taylor Greene!

    …and just to reach across party lines… Rashida Tlaib as ambassadrix to Israel Palestine. Okay, okay: can’t have that, I guess.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Colin Wright

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03/burst-pipe-delays-atlanta-absentee-vote-433988

    I think a water pipe burst pause could be enough time to truck in 100,000 absentee ballots in any state. That could still be enough of a push for Democrats to win. If Trump wins there will be too much hate against him to effectively fight a war on behalf of Israel becaue the media will become very negative about it to hurt the Trump presidency. I think most Jewish oligarchs see Harris as the best candidate for Israel.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Colin Wright

    A small but not insignificant portion of the Democrats are bothered that Kamala was anointed the nominee without having to work through either the primary process or at least an open convention. I think Walz was her best choice for VP but he doesn't have the intellectual horsepower to keep up with Vance, not that I'm sure it matters.

    Unless yesterday's MSG rally ends up backfiring on Trump, I think he will win the electoral college and by extension the presidency.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @William H Bonnie

    , @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    Trump’s lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Trump derangement syndrome is real.

    Democrat women will not be skipping the election which means Trump needs to win by narrow margins in swing states.

    Trump will be in major trouble if enough blue collar White women basically decide to vote against their husbands. They could be the quiet voters that decide the election.

    The election will probably come down to White women in a handful of states. It could come down to a few hundred thousand White women voting on abortion.

    Exactly what the founders imagined.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Colin Wright

    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don't even know who she is.

    I wouldn't have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There's your answer.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Alden
    @Colin Wright

    I love Marjorie Taylor Greene A democrat friend calls me Marjorie Taylor Greene because I’m as mouthy as she and my name begins with an M. There’s no reason to be nice anymore.

  20. @Thomm
    The image in my first comment :

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/66b19a0845cd71cfce0497fd19a7e8664ab5d103b48eddbe034232936f44830e.png


    Normal Americans are doomed, since even cuckservatives seem to be ok with vote fraud, so now it is going to be +5, +6, or more.

    Replies: @epebble, @22pp22

    Your scale is exaggerated, but the topology is true. D is running 3.6% ahead of R in early polling, which means it will have a 3.6% later boost. Since 3.6% is likely to be larger than the margin of win, Trump is on perfectly solid ground to allege election fraud when the 3.6% shows up after all the R is counted.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  21. Very close but Harris wins.

    AZ – abortion in suburbs and Hispanics stick with Harris. She wins +2 or better.

    GA – blacks turn out strong for Harris but not enough enough abortion fans. Trump flips by +1.

    MI – blacks south of 8 mile and abortion north of 8 mile and the whole Arab abstention thing fizzles. Harris wins surprising easily, +2 at least.

    PA – Harris gets blacks in Pittsburgh and Philly, abortion fans on the suburbs, and Asians too. Not enough left for Trump. Harris +1, and that’s all she wrote.

    • Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Suburban Dad

    You sound s if you really are silly enough to think any of this is legitimate, is fair, is not rigged. Anglo-Zionist Democracy is as much anti-realistic entertainment as is WWE.

  22. Maybe OT but maybe not.

    https://substack.com/@borisdoyle/note/c-72196733?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=avxs5

    I want Trump to win; however, I remember the Red Wave that was sure to happen in 2018.
    But didn’t.

  23. anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    Trump's lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Plus, Harris is so unpopular that many Democrats just aren't on board. Is Zuckerberg sponsoring collecting ballots this time around? I know both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post are refusing to endorse Harris. Would they cooperate again in a Russian collusion fraud or overlooking election irregularities?

    I think Trump's going to win, and the win won't be taken away from him.

    People I want to see active in the new administration. J.D. Vance, Elon Musk, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Tulsi Gabbard, Mayra Flores...

    Marjorie Taylor Greene!

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    ...and just to reach across party lines... Rashida Tlaib as ambassadrix to Israel Palestine. Okay, okay: can't have that, I guess.

    Replies: @anonymous, @ScarletNumber, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Alden

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03/burst-pipe-delays-atlanta-absentee-vote-433988

    I think a water pipe burst pause could be enough time to truck in 100,000 absentee ballots in any state. That could still be enough of a push for Democrats to win. If Trump wins there will be too much hate against him to effectively fight a war on behalf of Israel becaue the media will become very negative about it to hurt the Trump presidency. I think most Jewish oligarchs see Harris as the best candidate for Israel.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @anonymous


    '...That could still be enough of a push for Democrats to win. If Trump wins there will be too much hate against him to effectively fight a war on behalf of Israel becaue the media will become very negative about it to hurt the Trump presidency. I think most Jewish oligarchs see Harris as the best candidate for Israel.'
     
    Ironically, that's more or less how I would rationalize voting for Trump; a Trump win turns Israel into a partisan issue.

    ...I'm not all that convinced by that myself -- but happily, I don't have to be. Portland-Eugene-Bend means Harris wins Oregon for sure. So I can vote for Jill Stein; me voting for Trump won't make any difference anyway. The more she picks up, the less automatic Democratic support for Israel becomes.
  24. Donald Trump wins.

    Pin this right here.

  25. TRUMP WINS, but dem mischief makes counytry almost ungvernable. hence, in 2026, he resigns for health reasons, having crushed (and hastened ynto death) joe biden and driven stake through heart of Kamala. that sets up ’28, Newsome v. Vance. no women, no blacks even NEAR horizon, for many years.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @anonymous


    Newsome
     
    Our first dyslexic president.
  26. Same as 2020 only more so: Trump will win harder, Dems will cheat harder.

    The two variables:

    1) Are the Dems sufficiently demoralized/irritated with Kamala/overwhelmed by Trump that they don’t cheat hard enough?

    2) If not, are the GOP still so cucked they take it lying down again?

    The former is hard to predict, but in the latter the GOP have shown mild signs of testosterone. Still, if it comes to a post-election fight over vote legitimacy, it is hard to imagine the median GOP pol standing up to a 24/7 media megaphone scream of “JANUARY6!!!”.

    Note that the actual vote is mostly irrelevant to the outcome, in case you’re wondering where the country is at as a democratic polity.

    [MORE]

    Welcome to the After Party.

    Bonus Third Variable: ambiguously deepstate-y assassination. Can even be used after the election.

  27. @Colin Wright
    Trump's lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Plus, Harris is so unpopular that many Democrats just aren't on board. Is Zuckerberg sponsoring collecting ballots this time around? I know both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post are refusing to endorse Harris. Would they cooperate again in a Russian collusion fraud or overlooking election irregularities?

    I think Trump's going to win, and the win won't be taken away from him.

    People I want to see active in the new administration. J.D. Vance, Elon Musk, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Tulsi Gabbard, Mayra Flores...

    Marjorie Taylor Greene!

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    ...and just to reach across party lines... Rashida Tlaib as ambassadrix to Israel Palestine. Okay, okay: can't have that, I guess.

    Replies: @anonymous, @ScarletNumber, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Alden

    A small but not insignificant portion of the Democrats are bothered that Kamala was anointed the nominee without having to work through either the primary process or at least an open convention. I think Walz was her best choice for VP but he doesn’t have the intellectual horsepower to keep up with Vance, not that I’m sure it matters.

    Unless yesterday’s MSG rally ends up backfiring on Trump, I think he will win the electoral college and by extension the presidency.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @ScarletNumber


    Unless yesterday’s MSG rally ends up backfiring on Trump, I think he will win the electoral college and by extension the presidency.
     
    As we all know, and as the media and 2016-rightfully-elected-President Hillary Clinton has assured us, a political event in MSG is necessarily a Nazi rally.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-madison-square-garden-smear/
    , @William H Bonnie
    @ScarletNumber

    I don't think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn't going to hurt anything. I saw a clip of a guy stating the number one search on google after the rally was, garbage in Puerto Rico. ( Paraphrased here, don't recall the exact key words)

    Trump did what he does best, trolled them into calling themselves out. People all over Tik Tok and X are talking about the landfill problems and the crooked government on our fine little island.

    I don't buy Trump not knowing before hand what the comedian was going to say. With that I've seen the guys show a few times and from what I hear it's a very popular show with Z aged men. Who knows man I could be way off base, but every time I think Trump screwed up he proves me wrong.

    At this point I want him to win just so we can watch these insane clowns melt down , it's gonna make 2020 look like a a hippie sit in. Interesting times indeed.

    Replies: @CalCooledge, @TrumpWon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber, @Mr. Anon

  28. Trump will lose in PA but it will be incredibly close. Then there will be mayhem…

  29. @Thomm
    The image in my first comment :

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/66b19a0845cd71cfce0497fd19a7e8664ab5d103b48eddbe034232936f44830e.png


    Normal Americans are doomed, since even cuckservatives seem to be ok with vote fraud, so now it is going to be +5, +6, or more.

    Replies: @epebble, @22pp22

    Agree

  30. Mister Gallagher,
    Oh, Mister Gallagher,
    Did you hear the Rogan show with Donald Trump?
    Rogan is a tattooed freak,
    But in the campaign’s final week
    This should give the Donald’s poll numbers a bump.

    Mister Shean,
    Oh, Mister Shean,
    Yes, and why can’t Rogan keep his language clean?
    But the interview, of course, meant
    The same as an endorsement….

    We shouldn’t diss him, Mister Gallagher?

    I could kiss him, Mister Shean!

    [MORE]

  31. Has Mr. Sailer, even in this sportsbally way, ever planted his feet on politician Donald Trump?

    Keep his wry sly detachment in mind when considering whether or how to play a part in Most Important Election Ever v.2024. I suspect he long ago noticed that the engineered strife over transgender statues and Confederate bathrooms and the nail biting closeness of the related votes (including in Congress and the SCOTUS) are part of the Red+Blue intramurals staged to keep people voting at each other.

    No matter who’s elected and installed, Big Finance, Pharma, and War will win this one, too. That’s why so many of your kids can’t afford a house, are on zombie medication, and with dismal job prospects might decide to “serve” in WWIII. The country has been falling apart your whole life, due in large part to a ruling class that couldn’t care less.

    Meanwhile, neither puppet utters a practical peep against what actually matters to the Establishment. Tell yourself whatever you want, but a vote for either is a vote for just that.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Greta Handel

    How many other electoskeptical comments are being Whimmed? (Mine’s at 9.6 hours as I type this one.)

    I predict a lot of blueberries in this thread.

    , @Guest29048
    @Greta Handel

    Disagree.


    Robert Kennedy Jr. says that Donald Trump is breaking tradition by privately funding his transition team and has already started it three months early.

    Kennedy began by talking about why he's chosen to trust Trump, saying, "I've talked to Donald Trump specifically about this, and I said, 'Look, the last time you were in there, you put John Bolton in charge of NSA, and Mike Pompeo in charge of the CIA... and he said, 'Here's the difference... when I got in last time, I had no idea how to govern, and I got surrounded by donors and corporate people who said you appoint this guy and appoint that guy... I appointed a lot of bad people.'

    He continued, "I was listening this morning to this extraordinary interview that Donald Trump did with Joe Rogan yesterday... and he said, 'This time I'm not gonna do that.' He told us that (too), and he didn't just promise that, but he did something no other president's done before. Normally, the transition team is not created until November 6th because GAO, the General Accounting Office, pays for all the cost of the transition team. Trump said, 'I'm not gonna do it this time. I'm not gonna do it their way. I'm gonna start my own transition team three months early.' And he got private donors to fund it, and he's appointed 20 people including me and Tulsi, and there's people of all different kinds of ideology and people who we're gonna have to go up against on that transition team and fight for our vision. But I can tell you this, which is unique: there are no corporate lobbyists on that transition team. And, usually, it's 100% corporate lobbyists. So it's very, very different, and it gives me lots of hope that this government is gonna be different than any government we've ever seen."
     

    Replies: @Greta Handel

  32. No-one is going to win. We are all going to lose.

  33. It’s not my country and not what I would like to see. Anyway…

    Harris will win. It’s going to be like the 2022. Democrats win because of discipline, dirty tactics and demographics beat Trump’s ridiculousness. Turnout is down on 2020. The people who don’t turn up are the minorities who say they are voting Trump. Democrats take the house, lose the senate. The popular vote is close because of a swing to Trump in the Northeast and California. Harris 50%-48%. Texas is closer than Florida, both Trump wins. Harris wins all the swing states and the electoral college 319-219. After a week of denial Trump concedes. In the background a deal is done that in return for this his legal troubles will go away.

    Things continue as they are. Elon Musk is bankrupt and in prison by 2028.

  34. It’s probably impossible to really analyze, but the most likely thing to expect is that it will come down to a handful of swing states. No one should work themselves up trying to guess if Trump will win California. There are certain states where we can be confident of which side will win. But the swing states are unpredictable.

    One should be cautious not to be influenced by the loud-mouthed enthusiasm of Trump-voters. Most of the people who voted for Biden in 2020 just did it because they hated Trump. But they weren’t at rallies cheering for Biden. There’s a segment of Trump-followers who find it incomprehensible that someone could just quietly cast an anti-Trump vote without having a candidate that they really gush over. That’s not how things work. There’s bound to be a certain number of people in the swing states who will quietly cast a vote for Harris out of nothing but anti-Trumpism. The question is whether or not such votes will be large enough to determine the election. Tune in next week for more.

  35. anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @newrouter
    Trump "wins" then K. Harris WINS!!11!!

    Replies: @anonymous, @Santoculto

    If you look at the chart of 2020 election suspicious and presumptively invalid ballots in key states – image below – it is notable that the numbers of such ballots are many multiples of the margin by which ‘Biden won’.

    Keeping in mind that 2020 vote fraud evidence was never fully adjudicated by any court, the courts merely dismissing to try the case based on various technicalities of standing of parties, jurisdiction etc … the typical USA court stitch up where there is no actual trial of evidence –

    With the vote fraud framework still largely in place, and these 2020 numbers, it seems possible we are indeed being prepared for another rug pull of ‘late ballots’ handing the win to Kamala … some suspecting that the USA system controllers are openly seeking to incite some MAGA violence, which would be the pretence for dropping the oppression hammer and going full-on with left wing tyranny to counter right-wing ‘terrorism’

    Notably, Nate Silver has recently flipped to predicting a Kamala Harris win, so now both of the USA top prediction guys, Silver and Allan Lichtman (both Jewish, for those who like to know such things), now say it’s Kamala, against the Trump ‘momentum’

    • Agree: deep anonymous
    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @anonymous

    Where can I find the source for this chart? i want to read the definitions of each of the categories to understand how vote fraud is done.

    , @Prester John
    @anonymous

    I am assuming there will be voter fraud next week. After all, voter fraud dates back at least to the Age of Pericles so...nothing new under the sun. It's different now, though, because with modern technology the evidence can be hidden. For this reason, I pick Harris to win a close election. A pity.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Thirdtwin
    @anonymous

    “…it is notable that the numbers of such ballots are many multiples of the margin by which ‘Biden won’…”

    Are we to gather from this that the large majority of the fraud was caught and discounted before or during the counting, but the overwhelming volume of fraudulent voting was enough to swamp the systems with attrition and eventually push Biden over the top?

  36. @ScarletNumber
    @Colin Wright

    A small but not insignificant portion of the Democrats are bothered that Kamala was anointed the nominee without having to work through either the primary process or at least an open convention. I think Walz was her best choice for VP but he doesn't have the intellectual horsepower to keep up with Vance, not that I'm sure it matters.

    Unless yesterday's MSG rally ends up backfiring on Trump, I think he will win the electoral college and by extension the presidency.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @William H Bonnie

    Unless yesterday’s MSG rally ends up backfiring on Trump, I think he will win the electoral college and by extension the presidency.

    As we all know, and as the media and 2016-rightfully-elected-President Hillary Clinton has assured us, a political event in MSG is necessarily a Nazi rally.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-madison-square-garden-smear/

  37. @Matthew Kelly
    I'm predicting a Kamala "win" (heavy on the quote-unquote) and then God-knows-what after that.

    Obviously I don't want that to be the case. I think there's a lot of potential for genuine, long-lasting reform presented by the team Trump has assembled. But due to this, I just can't see how our totalitarian Establishment is going to let them anywhere near the levers of power.

    There was a ton of hanky-panky going on in 2020 (withholding the Pfizer vax trial, censoring right-wingers on social media, relentless anti-Trump propaganda by the MSM, squelching the Hunter laptop scandal, endless lawfare, possible ballot fraud, etc.) I expect them to do worse now, in 2024, in the few remaining days before the voting closes.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    I am predicting Trump win and then God-knows-what after that. FIFY.

  38. Whatever happens, I am stocking up on toilet paper and whiskey this week.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Old Prude


    Whatever happens, I am stocking up on toilet paper and whiskey this week.
     
    Hmm. Knob Creek Smoked Maple enema?

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Old Prude


    Whatever happens, I am stocking up on toilet paper and whiskey this week.
     
    Ammo too.
  39. @newrouter
    Trump "wins" then K. Harris WINS!!11!!

    Replies: @anonymous, @Santoculto

    Even if Trump wins, at long term, zionist hegemony is winning anyway…

  40. Who will be counting the votes?

    Aside: Are the NPR/PBS scolds still trying to foist the snooty pronunciation of harass on us? (i.e., stress on the first syllable)

  41. Trump is polling within a percent in most of the swing states. If Trump voters are being undercounted as they have in past elections, then I say he’s taking it.

  42. Trump will win the election; Kamala will win the count.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  43. I predict a Trump win will do little to slow immigration and the general decline of the country.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Mike Tre

    AGREE.

    It just doesn't matter, because whoever we vote for cannot steer this ship. This is delusional. Sure, each individual does have some effect, but however much, it is miniscule in comparison to The Powers That Be who control media, academia, finance, and who essentially own many politicians at the higher levels. Plus most unelected government apparatchiks wouldn't dare do anything to harm their own sinecures.

    We can't do anything.

    Anything other than this, the eventual, inevitable result of their hubris:


    https://i0.wp.com/ozwisdomsandlessons.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Bastille-women.jpg?w=602&ssl=1

  44. Trump wins, the world is saved, everyone gets candy bars— full size, not fun size.

  45. Trump will win in a fair election, but his margin of victory in the key swing states will have to be sufficiently large so that the vote-rigging is insufficient to overcome it. This may occur, because I think Jewish leaders favor Trump and will likely be in a position to curb the vote-rigging.

    The more interesting question is what happens if Trump does win. I see three definite possibilities. First would be a refusal to certify the election results, with the objective of throwing the contest to the House of Representatives. This is the least likely because each state has one vote and the number of Red States exceeds the number of Blue States by quite a bit, even if the Blue States have a population advantage. So Trump wins there.

    The second possibility, which I put at 50-50, is Trump’s assassination, either before the inauguration or within a few months after it. One might argue that the Deep State dislikes Vance more than it dislikes Trump but that isn’t certain and a Trump assassination might “send a message” to Vance that the same may be in store for him if he gets too far out of line.

    The third possibility is an outright attempted coup d’etat, which may or may not be accompanied by Trump’s assassination. I don’t think that it will be the military that will attempt the coup, but the FBI, backed by the DC Police and possibly the DC National Guard, is a distinct possibility. There is also the possibility of CIA participation and many federal agencies have paramilitary units that could be utilized in a coup. I put this possibility at between one in five and one in four.

    A Trump victory may also lead to resolutions of sucession by the legislatures of various Blue States. We are headed for interesting times!

    • Replies: @rienzi
    @Diversity Heretic

    You raise an interesting point. For all of those who think the Jews control just about everything, Trump has been the candidate completely on team Israel. Harris has been a lot more ambivalent on the subject.

    Just something to think about.

    Trump wins despite all sorts of shenanigans. The Dems. continue to scream and wail like toddlers denied candy right up to, and past inauguration day. Everything conceivable is done to keep him from assuming office, but it comes to naught, as to do so would trash the markets, and those who control the wealth don't want that at all.

  46. I’m hoping Harris wins. Will be comedy gold for Hitler Rants Parodies for the next four years:

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Henry's Cat


    I’m hoping Harris wins.
     
    It would be great theater to see all the holier-than-thou Democrats see their 401Ks go POOF.
    , @nokangaroos
    @Henry's Cat

    Oh ... My ... Gawd.
    Why do they even bother passing laws against deepfakes?

  47. I told myself after 2022 that I wasn’t going to let myself get sucked in this year and believe the hype and get emotionally invested. To paraphrase Stalin, the democrats control the counting in the places where it matters.

    Perhaps this is cynical, but I truly believe the dems will – eventually – be declared (declare themselves) the winners after a couple of weeks of blatant and inevitable “counting” in big cities in swing states that will only go in one direction. After which you are likely to see some rather more intense protests than January 6th scattered around the country, but those will eventually peter out since most republican voters are working class people who have jobs and can’t afford to devote themselves to rioting.

    IF Trump’s publicly announced margins early enough on election night are large enough to preclude cheating and they have no choice but to concede that he won – and that’s a big ‘if’ but not entirely unlikely – then we are likely to see very destructive riots in several big cities and possibly quite a few lives lost. It won’t necessarily be from disappointed democrat voters, but from democrat professional brownshirts with orders from the highest levels of the deep state who don’t have jobs and don’t have anything better to do.

    In my opinion, about the only thing that avoids a seriously tumultuous outcome would be if Trump manages to definitively win the popular vote and prevents the dems from using that talking point to justify their tantrum. In fact, I have a good friend who lives in a very blue state who is effectively a Trump supporter but who intends to vote for a write-in candidate to make some kind of (dumb) statement of principle. I have counseled him that even though his vote might not matter in the electoral college, it very much could matter when it comes to the popular vote, which should be a consideration for him this time around.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @JR Ewing

    A thoughtful comment. I agree totally.

  48. Also, as long as we are on the election, here in Texas we are getting bombarded with ads for the senate race. Democrats hate Ted Cruz, and I totally understand why they do, even if I disagree with it, and they feel like they might be able to eke out a win against him. In fact, if this were not a presidential election and Trump weren’t on the ballot, I would suspect that Ted Cruz was going to lose. But Trump has coattails, especially in Texas. It will be close.

    Nonetheless, I’ve been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned. I’ve been especially amazed at how stupid democrat voters in Texas must be because this Collin Allred guy is running abortion ads 24×7 against ‘ol Ted and and they apparently must be effective because he keeps running them. The problem is, the Texas anti-abortion law that they keep railing against has nothing to do with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is a US Senator. Ted Cruz can’t vote for Texas state abortion laws. But they keep running these ads and insinuating that he has something to do with state law. So dumb, but apparently effective.

    FWIW, I don’t think I could live in a swing state and stay sane. The ads from just this one race are driving me crazy, I couldn’t stand to have to hear the same dumb ads over and over for multiple races for months on end.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @JR Ewing


    FWIW, I don’t think I could live in a swing state and stay sane. The ads from just this one race are driving me crazy, I couldn’t stand to have to hear the same dumb ads over and over for multiple races for months on end.
     
    You change the channel, skip the skippable ads on streaming services and youtube, and turn down the volume and open a new tab for the un-skippable ads on youtube.

    We're also getting to the point of polarization where the other side's negative ads about your side's candidates seem like they're favorable to your side's candidates.
    , @Anon7
    @JR Ewing

    "Nonetheless, I’ve been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned."

    Putting justices on the SCOTUS that overturned Roe was the greatest gift one party gave to the other in the past thirty years. (Before that, maybe it was Reagan turning California blue by legalizing all the illegals.)

    You'll notice that Democrats have done little to fix the "problem" of legalizing abortion; that's how effective the issue really is. Along with promising free stuff ("I'll get rid of your college debt!" - Joe Biden, 2020), this totally got the Democrat vote out and won the 2020 election as well as the 2022 midterm.

    As for who wins the current election, I just don't think that the people who exert control at the national level will let Donald Trump anywhere near the White House. The Dems have been working like crazy to get out the "I'd never get off my couch to stand in line at a polling place" welfare crowd to fill in a paper ballot and mail it; they've been doing the same with students on every DEI campus (which is all of them).

    I don't think the Dems will need to cheat to win, but they probably will anyway, and mail-in balloting is ideal for them. After all, if you were alive in Germany in 1933, would you break rules to deny Hitler the election victories he needed? Of course you would, and there are tens of millions of Americans who absolutely believe that Trump is Hitler. You may not think so, but I know lots of these people and they really believe it.

    So, Harris wins in November, and you'll hear her insane cackling laugh for the next eight years, as she brings in twenty million illegals, placing them in every small town in every red state in America. Regardless of the topic, she's laughing at you, on behalf of the people who are succeeding in destroying western civilization.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @MM
    @JR Ewing

    "they apparently must be effective because he keeps running them."

    The evidence against that is admittedly mostly from the Republican side. Just because "consultants" and "election tacticians" say it's a good idea to spend bucket-loads of money on ads doesn't mean it really is. The consultants are there to make a whole lot of money - for themselves.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @JR Ewing

    People exaggerate the effect of political advertising.

    I lived in the USA for 30 years and I think I only ever saw two political advertisements on TV, heard a few on the radio, and saw billboards on the interstate highways.

    I remember hearing Barack Obama saying in not very good Spanish that he approved a message on the radio.

    It really isn't that hard to avoid them, even though political consultants obviously believe that swing voters pay attention to TV ads for candidates.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    , @EdwardM
    @JR Ewing

    For some reason when I watch TV connected to VPN in Dubai (to a server supposedly in Los Angeles), I get the Nevada ads. I have never lived in a swing state so don't have a lot of history watching political ads, but they seem to be even more dishonest than usual. The Harris and Jackie Rosen (mostly anti-Sam Brown) ads are over the top, talking about how she's the pro-freedom, tax-cutting candidate. It seems like an alternate universe.

    There are also an incredible number of ads for Measure 3, which feature patriotic non-black voters saying to vote for Measure 3 because it will implement open primaries. Measure 3 also actually implements ranked-choice voting, which none of the commercials mention.

    The only silver lining when Harris is declared the winner: she is the president that America deserves.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  49. @Thomm
    This is what will happen :

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga35HL3a0AAE-4l?format=png&name=small

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @BB753, @Jon Halpenny, @indocon

    Whether the fix is in, as it was in 2020, is debatable. This time, all but the retarded with real faith in sacred democracy know that the Anglo-Zionist Empire is itching for WW3. Especially the Israel part of the Anglo-Zionist empire.

    So the matter for the American Deep State Anglo-Zionists is: assuming that Israel is going to force total war on Iran and that Russia especially but also China must act in Iran’s defense, who would be the better figurehead for the US during WW3: Trump or Harris?

    The Deep State may still be deciding that matter.

    We do not live in the country that George Washington assumed he was helping found. We live in that country that began selling its soul to global commerce, via its globalist traders the Yankee WASPs. Once they acquired domination over the whole of the nation, they began reforming it to mirror the British Empire, which led directly to it taking over for the British Empire.

    Thus America totally controlled by Yankee WASPs became the BOSS over globalist Anglo-Zionist Empire. And now we are seeing that Empire ‘s leaders determined to rule the entire globe. No exceptions. Oceania intends to defeat both Eurasia and Eastasia. And that requires the Anglo-Zionist Empire to totally defeat Iran. Why? Saudis have shown that they will whore to Anglo-Zionism any time the price is right, but Iranians have retained a basic sense of honor and decency. Plus, Russia needs Iran to stand against Anglo-Zionism and will back Iran for that purpose.

    So WW3 is planned now to start against Iran. They hoped to protect Israel with that whole Ukraine thing, but that aint working out at all. It seems that UKrainian Nazis have their own issues (like hating Poles and Jews about as much as they hate anybody) that make them less than ideal for Anglo-Zionism, plus Jews have so raped the Ukraine in so many ways that there is no actual Ukrainian spirit left to want to defend that fake country created by Anglo-Zionists to use as a weapon to attack Eurasia.

    So, who do the Neocons most want as President for WW3? Trump or Harris? Which will do their exact bidding the quickest and/or the most efficiently? Which can control the American population best when it starts readying to protest that war which will be a shit show of horror.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Kaiser Wilhelm

    I suppose you have some points here.

    But rooting for Russia and Iran is pretty bleak.

  50. I wouldn’t be totally surprised that the Dems ‘fortify’ their way to victory with what is possibly the worst major party nominee in history but…everything about the body language of various party figures, the candidate herself, and the media says they think she is going down.

    Trump is polling better against Harris than he ever did with Biden or Clinton and although you could chalk some of this up to corrections in methodology, no one is acting like they believe that’s the full explanation. Early/mail in voting totals are not showing the level of Dem advantage they expect to see, although it is possible this is just a shift in GOP voting behavior and not evidence of greater turnout. That said, even if that’s the case it means the Trump campaign will be able to spend the last few days trying to get reluctant voters to the polls to provide the necessary margin of victory rather than just reminding normies to show up.

    Now, if Harris does win one upside is that to the extent a fair number of people on the right are semi-radicalized against our existing system this will increase a great deal. It would demonstrate leftist control is so deep on a broad front that they can literally put up anyone and get a manufactured EC win at this point, not to mention that the candidate is just a figurehead for the activists who really run things, if you didn’t already understand that from watching Biden’s corpse go through the motions of being chief executive these past 3.5 years.

    The potential danger for Trump is that he is really going to have to make some difficult but necessary choices that the media will relentless criticize based on the optics rather than facts. I found his lack of focus disappointing in his first term but hopefully he learned his lesson and obviously he cannot run again so might as well go for it, provided the GOP weathervanes in Congress can be brought to heel.

  51. I don’t know who’s going to win, but I do know that Republican-leaning precincts should not turn in any vote totals until after every mail in vote has been counted.

    If a state can take days to count mail-in votes, why should people who vote in person be forced to have their votes exposed in advance of the actual deadline?

  52. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

    The GOP has already lost seats it should have won because of the issue.

    But I understand Jesus is building them an extra big mansion in heaven right now.

    Replies: @Anon, @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    There’s a saying in military strategy: “no plan survives contact with the enemy.”

    The pro-lifers after Dobbs v Jackson had no plan to deal with the backlash they caused.

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    @Anon

    Oh, they had a plan, not for the backlash but for their own pet project, and they were open about it: complete abortion ban in all cases. They wasted no time pushing this through every sympathetic state, but when it went to referendum even conservative voters rejected the measures. This was to counter the Democrat position of fully legal abortion up until birth (and a little after), a position most people find abhorrent. For the sane majority who would be fine with legal abortion through the 1st trimester and exceptions for extraordinary cases, there are no options.
    Your only choices are shooting poison in a babys head as it's born or infinity blacks. Thanks democracy!

  53. @Thomm
    This is what will happen :

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga35HL3a0AAE-4l?format=png&name=small

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @BB753, @Jon Halpenny, @indocon

    Absolutely. Dems are arrogant enough to blatantly pull it off too.

  54. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

    The GOP has already lost seats it should have won because of the issue.

    But I understand Jesus is building them an extra big mansion in heaven right now.

    Replies: @Anon, @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    You are backwards in your first paragraph. It is the Republicans and alleged ‘conservatives who demand that Middle Americans, especially Christian conservatives, give them their all while the Republicans and pressed ‘conservatives’ give only lip service to their voting base.

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Kaiser Wilhelm

    Den Wilhelm den doofen, indeed

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Kaiser Wilhelm



    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups... They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.
     
    You are backwards in your first paragraph. It is the Republicans and alleged ‘conservatives' who demand that Middle Americans, especially Christian conservatives, give them their all while the Republicans and pressed ‘conservatives’ give only lip service to their voting base.
     
    This individual's grades in modern history and political science are clearly as bad as those he earned in moral philosophy. (I say "he" guardedly.)

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?
     
    Some commenters are so consistently bad that they give off the scent of a troll. Just for the record, those pro-abortion state referenda that keep passing (and the pro-child ones that keep failing) see seven-digit donations by the likes of Michael Bloomberg and Marsha Zlatin Laufer.

    This may point to Loyalty's true loyalty.

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Kaiser Wilhelm


    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?
     
    You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about “WASPs”.

    Are we to infer that you are some sort of bitter swarthy ‘wog’ with no money?
  55. Irishman (@25) “It’s not my country and…”

    Funny, it’s not my country anymore either. Hell, it isn’t even a “country” anymore.

  56. Harris wins with 270-296 Electoral Votes. Election decided the Sunday after. That’s all. Republicans win Senate, Dems win House. MAGA gets exterminated by the Romneys and DiFrancescos of the world. Trump fades away, and MAGA supporters lose their jobs publicly. Celebrities like Musk, Tucker, Harrison Butker all are faded by this time next year. Nikki Haley or Kingzinger is the 2028 frontrunner.

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
    @Gore 2004

    But I do say no more than 5 to 6 billion killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.

  57. However, if Sailer/Cochran get on the ticket they might have a chance. They could go Full Nietzschean Power mode and declare Covid Lockdons until 2030. They could require mandatory gooning to the image white guys dying in WWII for the sake of our little Brown brothers.

    Cochran takes the aggressive Nietzschean approach while Sailer plays it more low key, but it goes to the same place. Both of them holding a bullwhip over young white men, telling them to sacrifice their one and only life for the sake of war with Mother Russia and CivNat Wacky World Dreams!

    They both exhibited actual authoritarianism. And they both pushed what most considered lies about the pipeline explosion. If only they could get some of that sweet Zelensky cash through the back channels.

    How are the book sales going by the way?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    I understand you are crazy and not worth arguing with, but for anyone else wondering, Steve and Greg don't advocate either for sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

  58. It’s like everyone forgot (or is in denial) of the fact that the 2020 election was stolen. The republicans did nothing to fix things – indeed, the fraudulent nature of the American election system has been normalized (e.g., early election, mail-in ballots, billionaire $$$, etc). Everyone is just playing along.

    There is one reason, and only one reason, to assume that Trump will win – the jews have picked him as their candidate.

    • Agree: deep anonymous
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Linus

    There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump's behavior.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar, @Precious

  59. Utterly delusional commentariat here thinking Trump has a chance of winning the popular vote..

  60. I predict that, either way, it will be very close, so you shouldn’t draw any strong conclusions from the outcome, as Scott Alexander argued in 2016:

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/07/tuesday-shouldnt-change-the-narrative/

  61. My prediction is that they drop a deepfake video(s) of Trump on The Apprentice dropping the N-bomb and saying he paid for abortions in outtakes probably by the end of the week. Possibly saying something about Hitler as well.

    The same Press which pretended that the Biden laptop containing evidence of a multigenerational influence peddling and money laundering operation “couldn’t be verified (due to their not trying to verify it)” will play it on a loop all weekend.

    To me that is what the turn to “Trump is a NAZI” was setting us up for . . .

    I don’t know whether this will be dispositive.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Alec Leamas

    "deepfake video(s) of Trump on The Apprentice dropping the N-bomb and saying he paid for abortions in outtakes probably by the end of the week. Possibly saying something about Hitler as well."

    TRUMP: Yes it's true. A long time ago, I made a few carefully chosen favorable comments about Hitler.

    NEW "AMERICANS": a) Who is Hitler? or b) Meh, s'okay bro, we kind of like Hitler too.

    JEWS: Wait!! Stop!! NOOOOOOOO!!! That's not why we brought you all here!! You're supposed to harm the *goyim*, not --- (SFX: GIANT FLUSHING SOUND)

    , @Alden
    @Alec Leamas

    It’s Friday 11/1 late afternoon , early evening on the east coast and nothing’s happened yet.

    I’ve come to believe that Trump really won in 2020. A post office truck carrying thousands of ballots from New York to Pennsylvania after midnight. Cases of ballots stored under tables in Atlanta Chasing out the watchers covering the windows in Atlanta.

    Every county and state has its election commission staff. Civil service heavily black affirmative action women. The commissioners come and go but the permanent staff is affirmative action. So is the Post Office especially in the big cities. Didn’t matter with in person voting but matters very much with mail in ballots.

    No one but the coders really know how the dominion machines work. I would not be surprised if there is affirmative action points for democrat candidates.

    With the horrible inflation and everyone hard up, the democrats knew 18 months ago that as always happens the voters would vote against the incumbent because of the inflation. I’m sure the democrats have their win by cheating operation in place.

    I think Harris will win by cheating. Even if there’s 16 years of Trump and Vance the rot has gone too far.

  62. The issue is if Trumps margin of victory exceeds the margin of fraud.
    Who knows?

    I find it astounding how openly the British Labour Party is openly working and campaigning within the US for Harris. Even the Beeb admits it
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

    I think it would be hoot if Trump, after his win, gets a warrant for Starmer’s arrest. We know the US/UK have ironclad extradition treaties: ask Assange.
    It’s not as if Starmer is a Head of State, that would be Chuckie the Turd, Starmer’s merely a government functionary.
    A few years in a Federal ass-pounding slammer in say Montana would test Sir Kier’s Sodomites R Us credentials.

  63. @JR Ewing
    Also, as long as we are on the election, here in Texas we are getting bombarded with ads for the senate race. Democrats hate Ted Cruz, and I totally understand why they do, even if I disagree with it, and they feel like they might be able to eke out a win against him. In fact, if this were not a presidential election and Trump weren't on the ballot, I would suspect that Ted Cruz was going to lose. But Trump has coattails, especially in Texas. It will be close.

    Nonetheless, I've been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned. I've been especially amazed at how stupid democrat voters in Texas must be because this Collin Allred guy is running abortion ads 24x7 against 'ol Ted and and they apparently must be effective because he keeps running them. The problem is, the Texas anti-abortion law that they keep railing against has nothing to do with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is a US Senator. Ted Cruz can't vote for Texas state abortion laws. But they keep running these ads and insinuating that he has something to do with state law. So dumb, but apparently effective.

    FWIW, I don't think I could live in a swing state and stay sane. The ads from just this one race are driving me crazy, I couldn't stand to have to hear the same dumb ads over and over for multiple races for months on end.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Anon7, @MM, @Jonathan Mason, @EdwardM

    FWIW, I don’t think I could live in a swing state and stay sane. The ads from just this one race are driving me crazy, I couldn’t stand to have to hear the same dumb ads over and over for multiple races for months on end.

    You change the channel, skip the skippable ads on streaming services and youtube, and turn down the volume and open a new tab for the un-skippable ads on youtube.

    We’re also getting to the point of polarization where the other side’s negative ads about your side’s candidates seem like they’re favorable to your side’s candidates.

  64. @Dave Pinsen
    My bet is that Trump wins, and there's a decent chance of a Republican sweep. If you agree (or disagree), you can place your own bets on Kalshi now--they got the green light to take legal election bets in the U.S. recently. And unlike PredictIt, which takes a 5% fee on the way out, Kalshi isn't taking any fees currently.

    Replies: @TWS

    Interesting

  65. @Thomm
    This is what will happen :

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga35HL3a0AAE-4l?format=png&name=small

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @BB753, @Jon Halpenny, @indocon

    Some people keep pretending that the 2020 steal didn’t happen or can’t be replicated.

  66. @Alec Leamas
    My prediction is that they drop a deepfake video(s) of Trump on The Apprentice dropping the N-bomb and saying he paid for abortions in outtakes probably by the end of the week. Possibly saying something about Hitler as well.

    The same Press which pretended that the Biden laptop containing evidence of a multigenerational influence peddling and money laundering operation "couldn't be verified (due to their not trying to verify it)" will play it on a loop all weekend.

    To me that is what the turn to "Trump is a NAZI" was setting us up for . . .

    I don't know whether this will be dispositive.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Alden

    “deepfake video(s) of Trump on The Apprentice dropping the N-bomb and saying he paid for abortions in outtakes probably by the end of the week. Possibly saying something about Hitler as well.”

    TRUMP: Yes it’s true. A long time ago, I made a few carefully chosen favorable comments about Hitler.

    NEW “AMERICANS”: a) Who is Hitler? or b) Meh, s’okay bro, we kind of like Hitler too.

    JEWS: Wait!! Stop!! NOOOOOOOO!!! That’s not why we brought you all here!! You’re supposed to harm the *goyim*, not — (SFX: GIANT FLUSHING SOUND)

    • LOL: deep anonymous
  67. @anonymous
    @newrouter

    If you look at the chart of 2020 election suspicious and presumptively invalid ballots in key states - image below - it is notable that the numbers of such ballots are many multiples of the margin by which 'Biden won'.

    Keeping in mind that 2020 vote fraud evidence was never fully adjudicated by any court, the courts merely dismissing to try the case based on various technicalities of standing of parties, jurisdiction etc ... the typical USA court stitch up where there is no actual trial of evidence -

    With the vote fraud framework still largely in place, and these 2020 numbers, it seems possible we are indeed being prepared for another rug pull of 'late ballots' handing the win to Kamala ... some suspecting that the USA system controllers are openly seeking to incite some MAGA violence, which would be the pretence for dropping the oppression hammer and going full-on with left wing tyranny to counter right-wing 'terrorism'

    Notably, Nate Silver has recently flipped to predicting a Kamala Harris win, so now both of the USA top prediction guys, Silver and Allan Lichtman (both Jewish, for those who like to know such things), now say it's Kamala, against the Trump 'momentum'

    https://files.catbox.moe/7892o3.jpg

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Prester John, @Thirdtwin

    Where can I find the source for this chart? i want to read the definitions of each of the categories to understand how vote fraud is done.

  68. @Henry's Cat
    I'm hoping Harris wins. Will be comedy gold for Hitler Rants Parodies for the next four years:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsBViJborWE

    Replies: @Coemgen, @nokangaroos

    I’m hoping Harris wins.

    It would be great theater to see all the holier-than-thou Democrats see their 401Ks go POOF.

  69. What happens? Israel wins. Again.

  70. @JR Ewing
    Also, as long as we are on the election, here in Texas we are getting bombarded with ads for the senate race. Democrats hate Ted Cruz, and I totally understand why they do, even if I disagree with it, and they feel like they might be able to eke out a win against him. In fact, if this were not a presidential election and Trump weren't on the ballot, I would suspect that Ted Cruz was going to lose. But Trump has coattails, especially in Texas. It will be close.

    Nonetheless, I've been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned. I've been especially amazed at how stupid democrat voters in Texas must be because this Collin Allred guy is running abortion ads 24x7 against 'ol Ted and and they apparently must be effective because he keeps running them. The problem is, the Texas anti-abortion law that they keep railing against has nothing to do with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is a US Senator. Ted Cruz can't vote for Texas state abortion laws. But they keep running these ads and insinuating that he has something to do with state law. So dumb, but apparently effective.

    FWIW, I don't think I could live in a swing state and stay sane. The ads from just this one race are driving me crazy, I couldn't stand to have to hear the same dumb ads over and over for multiple races for months on end.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Anon7, @MM, @Jonathan Mason, @EdwardM

    “Nonetheless, I’ve been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned.”

    Putting justices on the SCOTUS that overturned Roe was the greatest gift one party gave to the other in the past thirty years. (Before that, maybe it was Reagan turning California blue by legalizing all the illegals.)

    You’ll notice that Democrats have done little to fix the “problem” of legalizing abortion; that’s how effective the issue really is. Along with promising free stuff (“I’ll get rid of your college debt!” – Joe Biden, 2020), this totally got the Democrat vote out and won the 2020 election as well as the 2022 midterm.

    As for who wins the current election, I just don’t think that the people who exert control at the national level will let Donald Trump anywhere near the White House. The Dems have been working like crazy to get out the “I’d never get off my couch to stand in line at a polling place” welfare crowd to fill in a paper ballot and mail it; they’ve been doing the same with students on every DEI campus (which is all of them).

    I don’t think the Dems will need to cheat to win, but they probably will anyway, and mail-in balloting is ideal for them. After all, if you were alive in Germany in 1933, would you break rules to deny Hitler the election victories he needed? Of course you would, and there are tens of millions of Americans who absolutely believe that Trump is Hitler. You may not think so, but I know lots of these people and they really believe it.

    So, Harris wins in November, and you’ll hear her insane cackling laugh for the next eight years, as she brings in twenty million illegals, placing them in every small town in every red state in America. Regardless of the topic, she’s laughing at you, on behalf of the people who are succeeding in destroying western civilization.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anon7


    So, Harris wins in November, and you’ll hear her insane cackling laugh for the next eight years, as she brings in twenty million illegals, placing them in every small town in every red state in America. Regardless of the topic, she’s laughing at you, on behalf of the people who are succeeding in destroying western civilization.
     
    Good take Anon7, except if she wins, I'm quite skeptical of the "eight years".

    Harris embodies pretty the core traits of the Parasite Party--whiny "i'm oppressed" minoritarianism, parasitism, silly anti-empirical ideology, utter vapidity and toxic femininity.

    That's the one upside to Harris. Yeah, the Parasite Party may still be funded and run in large part by smarter Jewish guys. But Harris nicely embodies what the party *is*. And I think this is going to turn off a lot of normal people--especially men--who still had blinders on.

    Replies: @Anon7

  71. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

    The GOP has already lost seats it should have won because of the issue.

    But I understand Jesus is building them an extra big mansion in heaven right now.

    Replies: @Anon, @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    No, you don’t understand, I just have to kill babies!!!

    • Thanks: RedPill Boomer
  72. @Mark G.
    Trump will win because people are worse off than four years ago. You have record numbers of people working a second job and record levels of credit card and household debt as average working class people struggle to make ends meet. This includes working class Blacks and Hispanics and they will help Trump win.

    The Covid lockdowns and the money printing to offset the negative economic effects of the lockdowns ended up having a worse economic effect than imagined by leading to high inflation and a lower standard of living. Florida which, adjusted for age distribution, had a Covid death rate at the national average turned out to have the right policy in not following along.

    High levels of immigration helped result in sluggish economic growth, since the quality of many of the immigrants was quite low. We continued to waste money on overseas wars, several hundred overseas military bases and a huge military to deal with an imaginary threat of various new Hitlers out to conquer the world. It will be the combination of the inflation, immigration and imperialism problems that will help Trump get a second term.

    Replies: @NoBodyImportant, @Bragadocious

    And Trump is STILL going to support the damn wars, which a lot of you keep ignoring. He’s STILL going to bring over “immigrants” just legal ones which is no better than the illegals.

  73. “It’s not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes”
    1. 75 million ballots were distributed in 2020, and probably more this year, that can be mailed back or dropped into sidewalk collection boxes with no ID required.
    2. People who vote Republican continue to die off and are replaced by people who automatically vote Democrat.
    3. Wall Street, the media, government employees are overwhelmingly Democrat.
    4. Trump is almost as stupid as Harris, and at least as obnoxious so he doesn’t make much of a case for himself.
    5. The Democrats should win without even cheating but reflexive cheating is a trait of the party of Daley and Boss Tweed.
    My prediction: It will start out looking at least competitive, then Harris surges to clear victory as the 4AM counts are compiled.
    If it’s any comfort it doesn’t matter to the iceberg who gets to be the new Captain.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Alfa158

    Agree on all points!

  74. We can’t know who will win, but we do know what will happen after the victory.
    Trump wins – we will have riots, deep state machinations to keep him from being sworn in, lots of high drama. A world of fun watching left-wing mental breakdowns. And then Trump will take office and we’ll have 4 years of frustration watching him accomplish as little as possible while he stands in front of the mirror admiring himself.
    Kamala wins – Triumphant denunciations of all things Trump. Trump, Musk and others end up in prison. Media propaganda on steroids declaring the new facist-free age has finally arrived. Trump voters will endure worse lies, insults and calumnies than ever and be forced into silence and abject submission in the workplace and public sphere. When Kamala takes office mass immigration increases by an order of magnitude. Congress and courts crack down on free speech. Caesar Augustus replaces the old Republic once and for all.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @rebel yell


    We can’t know who will win, but we do know what will happen after the victory.
    Trump wins – we will have riots
     
    Trump just held a rally in a Madison Square Garden, and packed it to the rafters, and most people ignored the dog that didn’t bark: no riots or even major protests.

    The left isn’t energized now; elites are defecting; Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter and owns the social medium of record… this isn’t 2020.

    Replies: @epebble, @Chrisnonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @Corvinus

  75. @Old Prude
    Whatever happens, I am stocking up on toilet paper and whiskey this week.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jim Don Bob

    Whatever happens, I am stocking up on toilet paper and whiskey this week.

    Hmm. Knob Creek Smoked Maple enema?

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You, sir, have a diseased mind.

  76. @JR Ewing
    Also, as long as we are on the election, here in Texas we are getting bombarded with ads for the senate race. Democrats hate Ted Cruz, and I totally understand why they do, even if I disagree with it, and they feel like they might be able to eke out a win against him. In fact, if this were not a presidential election and Trump weren't on the ballot, I would suspect that Ted Cruz was going to lose. But Trump has coattails, especially in Texas. It will be close.

    Nonetheless, I've been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned. I've been especially amazed at how stupid democrat voters in Texas must be because this Collin Allred guy is running abortion ads 24x7 against 'ol Ted and and they apparently must be effective because he keeps running them. The problem is, the Texas anti-abortion law that they keep railing against has nothing to do with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is a US Senator. Ted Cruz can't vote for Texas state abortion laws. But they keep running these ads and insinuating that he has something to do with state law. So dumb, but apparently effective.

    FWIW, I don't think I could live in a swing state and stay sane. The ads from just this one race are driving me crazy, I couldn't stand to have to hear the same dumb ads over and over for multiple races for months on end.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Anon7, @MM, @Jonathan Mason, @EdwardM

    “they apparently must be effective because he keeps running them.”

    The evidence against that is admittedly mostly from the Republican side. Just because “consultants” and “election tacticians” say it’s a good idea to spend bucket-loads of money on ads doesn’t mean it really is. The consultants are there to make a whole lot of money – for themselves.

  77. Two election scenarios…

    A) Trump wins: Good, exactly as we planned. Nothing happens, except for mass staged riots with zero prosecutions. Virtual direct rule by Hawaiian Federal Judge, zero deportations, more Clown World, no end to immigration — in fact, ramped-up immigration. Plus the world’s biggest lightning rod squatting in the headlines 24/7 to distract everyone from our ongoing destruction and looting of the country. Fresh MAGA goyim for our endless wars, because let’s be serious, who fights a war with a gay illiterate transgender Army of Color? (Unless it’s against Americans themselves: stay tuned for 2028.)

    Children of late-night talk-show writers finally get to see their fathers, who come home from work early every day because they don’t have to write any jokes, just keep saying TRUMP IS A DUMB RACIST MEANIE HITLER forty different ways.

    B) Harris “wins”: Good, exactly as we planned. Destruction and looting of America continues on a new, epic schedule. Policy DIE becomes literal DIE!, for real. Anti-fascist Harris “defeats” fake fascist Trump, institutes new reign of actual fascism: Joyful Fascism, But of Color. First Term: Trillion-dollar reparations bill signed, only whites have to pay — courts “find” a way to exempt Jews and “New Americans”. Second term: Mass housing seizures and open White chattel slavery (with a clever acronym to mask it) when it becomes apparent most whites don’t have the $$ to pay their first-term reparations bill.

    Late-night talk-show comedy writers are all out of work, because you’re not allowed to write any jokes about the biggest clown to ever sit in the Oval Office; their now-broke families forced to send the kids to public school to get beaten up by Diversity, and thus a whole new generation of true comedy writers is born.

    • Replies: @TrumpWon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Scenario B would just launch a race war where we kill all the coloreds we see. That's fine. Nasty work, but that's what it means.

  78. @Colin Wright
    Trump's lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Plus, Harris is so unpopular that many Democrats just aren't on board. Is Zuckerberg sponsoring collecting ballots this time around? I know both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post are refusing to endorse Harris. Would they cooperate again in a Russian collusion fraud or overlooking election irregularities?

    I think Trump's going to win, and the win won't be taken away from him.

    People I want to see active in the new administration. J.D. Vance, Elon Musk, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Tulsi Gabbard, Mayra Flores...

    Marjorie Taylor Greene!

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    ...and just to reach across party lines... Rashida Tlaib as ambassadrix to Israel Palestine. Okay, okay: can't have that, I guess.

    Replies: @anonymous, @ScarletNumber, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Alden

    Trump’s lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Trump derangement syndrome is real.

    Democrat women will not be skipping the election which means Trump needs to win by narrow margins in swing states.

    Trump will be in major trouble if enough blue collar White women basically decide to vote against their husbands. They could be the quiet voters that decide the election.

    The election will probably come down to White women in a handful of states. It could come down to a few hundred thousand White women voting on abortion.

    Exactly what the founders imagined.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Roderick Spode

  79. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    Trump’s lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Trump derangement syndrome is real.

    Democrat women will not be skipping the election which means Trump needs to win by narrow margins in swing states.

    Trump will be in major trouble if enough blue collar White women basically decide to vote against their husbands. They could be the quiet voters that decide the election.

    The election will probably come down to White women in a handful of states. It could come down to a few hundred thousand White women voting on abortion.

    Exactly what the founders imagined.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    https://i.imgflip.com/s4kmv.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Colin Wright

    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don't even know who she is.

    I wouldn't have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There's your answer.

    Replies: @Anymike

    , @Roderick Spode
    @Colin Wright

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/arthur/images/0/09/DW_S8E06.png/revision/latest?cb=20210618002045

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  80. @anonymous
    @newrouter

    If you look at the chart of 2020 election suspicious and presumptively invalid ballots in key states - image below - it is notable that the numbers of such ballots are many multiples of the margin by which 'Biden won'.

    Keeping in mind that 2020 vote fraud evidence was never fully adjudicated by any court, the courts merely dismissing to try the case based on various technicalities of standing of parties, jurisdiction etc ... the typical USA court stitch up where there is no actual trial of evidence -

    With the vote fraud framework still largely in place, and these 2020 numbers, it seems possible we are indeed being prepared for another rug pull of 'late ballots' handing the win to Kamala ... some suspecting that the USA system controllers are openly seeking to incite some MAGA violence, which would be the pretence for dropping the oppression hammer and going full-on with left wing tyranny to counter right-wing 'terrorism'

    Notably, Nate Silver has recently flipped to predicting a Kamala Harris win, so now both of the USA top prediction guys, Silver and Allan Lichtman (both Jewish, for those who like to know such things), now say it's Kamala, against the Trump 'momentum'

    https://files.catbox.moe/7892o3.jpg

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Prester John, @Thirdtwin

    I am assuming there will be voter fraud next week. After all, voter fraud dates back at least to the Age of Pericles so…nothing new under the sun. It’s different now, though, because with modern technology the evidence can be hidden. For this reason, I pick Harris to win a close election. A pity.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Prester John

    There has always been election fraud since Barabbas vs Jesus for Judah's Man of the Year.

    Replies: @bomag

  81. @Alfa158
    “It’s not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes”
    1. 75 million ballots were distributed in 2020, and probably more this year, that can be mailed back or dropped into sidewalk collection boxes with no ID required.
    2. People who vote Republican continue to die off and are replaced by people who automatically vote Democrat.
    3. Wall Street, the media, government employees are overwhelmingly Democrat.
    4. Trump is almost as stupid as Harris, and at least as obnoxious so he doesn’t make much of a case for himself.
    5. The Democrats should win without even cheating but reflexive cheating is a trait of the party of Daley and Boss Tweed.
    My prediction: It will start out looking at least competitive, then Harris surges to clear victory as the 4AM counts are compiled.
    If it’s any comfort it doesn’t matter to the iceberg who gets to be the new Captain.

    Replies: @Prester John

    Agree on all points!

  82. It all comes down to PA. Shapiro, with backing of Clinton faction, and looking towards a 2028 run, throttles the big city vote machine. White working class shows up. Amish vote goes from 10% to around 85% and 8,500 votes in Lancaster put Trump over the top.

    Pollsters when asked why the critical Amish votes were not included in their models can only respond that it is hard to poll folks who have not paid the phone bill in over
    300 years.

  83. What’s going to happen in the election? Nothing much. The outcome is predetermined, has been for years. Trumpstein wins this time, this will be the third straight time Trump would have won IF our votes really counted though.

  84. Trump is doing about five points better in all the polls compared to 2016 and 2020. It comes down to whether ALL the pollsters somehow fixed their methodologies. If not, expect a landslide.

    In 2020 in my neighborhood, Biden signs outnumbered Trump signs about 4 to 1. Today, the equivalent ratio is even. Maybe the Trump supporters are just more bold now.

  85. “What’s going to happen in the election?” asks our esteemed blog proprietor.

    Well, there is an answer, and only one answer, that we can be assured will be correct.

    And what is it, you ask?

    Answer. Something bad.

    Not catastrophically bad, or republic destroying bad, but bad. Pretty bad actually.

  86. Trump will win(if only legal votes were counted) over 330 electoral college votes but will only receive barely 300 because of the “steal”. Democrats ability to cheat is not as far ahead of Republicans ability to forestall cheating but it is still ahead enough to make a difference.

    America is on the precipice of disaster. I pray for this country every day.

    • Agree: JR Ewing, TWS
  87. @Greta Handel
    Has Mr. Sailer, even in this sportsbally way, ever planted his feet on politician Donald Trump?

    Keep his wry sly detachment in mind when considering whether or how to play a part in Most Important Election Ever v.2024. I suspect he long ago noticed that the engineered strife over transgender statues and Confederate bathrooms and the nail biting closeness of the related votes (including in Congress and the SCOTUS) are part of the Red+Blue intramurals staged to keep people voting at each other.

    No matter who’s elected and installed, Big Finance, Pharma, and War will win this one, too. That’s why so many of your kids can’t afford a house, are on zombie medication, and with dismal job prospects might decide to “serve” in WWIII. The country has been falling apart your whole life, due in large part to a ruling class that couldn’t care less.

    Meanwhile, neither puppet utters a practical peep against what actually matters to the Establishment. Tell yourself whatever you want, but a vote for either is a vote for just that.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Guest29048

    How many other electoskeptical comments are being Whimmed? (Mine’s at 9.6 hours as I type this one.)

    I predict a lot of blueberries in this thread.

  88. I don’t know who will win, but I know the outcome ==> USA is Effed.

  89. OT — Actually, pretty related — two distressing/sounds about right links from Ellis Items, quotes below more tag. A solid majority of Americans encompassing both sides of the aisle feel that American government is not representative [picture of Lt. Col. Vindman, colorised], although for different reasons. And: Democrats don’t understand why a person “doing well” in a blue state would vote for Republicans (hint: do they agree with your definition of “doing well?” [Image of Gavin Newsom admonishing restauranteirs that they can afford the new minimum wage, colorised.]) The explanatory concept may be “shared fate.” No, it’s what I said. But look out for editorials and books exploring the damage control copium of “shared fate.”

    [MORE]

    Nearly half of all voters are skeptical that the American experiment in self-governance is working, with 45 percent believing that the nation’s democracy does not do a good job representing ordinary people, according to a new New York Times/Siena College poll. Three-quarters of voters in the United States say democracy is under threat, though their perception of the forces imperiling it varies widely based on partisan leanings. And a majority of voters believe that the country is plagued by corruption, with 62 percent saying that the government is mostly working to benefit itself and elites rather than the common good. Coupled with stubborn inflation, divisive culture wars and geopolitical crises, voters are expressing exasperation with American politics and a government that they believe has failed to serve them at the most basic level. “I even have to go to a food bank, and my husband and I make a decent salary, and we still can’t wholly make ends meet with three children,” said Tyra Jackson-Taylor, 51, a social worker from Norfolk, Va. “It’s just a lot, me having to work and him work overtime, just to try to make the ends meet.” Such frustrations have left 58 percent of voters believing that the nation’s financial and political systems need major changes or a complete overhaul. Some wonder why the government seems unable to make significant progress on pressing issues. (Source: nytimes.com)

    https://archive.is/zYMjI

    It’s the voters in overlooked places like Sandusky, Ohio, and Racine, Wisconsin, who could decide everything from key congressional races to the presidency. In 2007, the academic Lorlene Hoyt and the city planning consultant André Leroux assembled a nationwide list of “forgotten cities” that were old and small, with a population of 15,000 to 150,000 and a median household income of less than $35,000. Recently, the urban researcher Michael Bloomberg updated it. Of the 179 cities now on the list, 37 are in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
    And leading the way, with 23 cities, is Ohio. Pundits often overlook these sorts of places (they tend to focus on big blue cities, deep-red rural areas and the suburbs in between), but given how clustered these smaller cities are in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, they will matter greatly in the battle for both the White House and for control of Congress. I have visited dozens of these cities. They often have handsome downtowns with stately central squares and ornate, century-old bank buildings that rise 10 or 12 stories, but it can be difficult to find a cup of coffee after 2 p.m. or a place to watch a ballgame on TV at night. The local news is full of the sort of items I found a few weeks ago in a newspaper in Lima, Ohio (population 35,000): a report that the area was getting its 12th Dollar General store and a letter to the editor lamenting the closure of a Dana Incorporated auto-parts plant with 280 jobs. Just as troubling, young people are becoming harder to find; they’re more drawn to thriving larger cities, such as Columbus, which has been vacuuming up strivers from across the state. For decades, these smaller cities leaned Democratic, but in the past decade, they have turned redder. In 2012, Obama won Green Bay, Wisconsin, by nearly twice as large a margin as Joe Biden did in 2020; Obama won Saginaw by an extra 15 percentage points. Even in Biden’s hometown, Scranton, Pennsylvania, Obama’s margin was more than 4,000 votes larger. What’s so perplexing to liberals about this shift is that many of the people who left the Democratic Party are doing well for themselves; these cities are full of small-business owners, factory workers and retirees with pensions getting by under a Democratic president. But seeing your small city become a shadow of its former self can open you to a hard-edge populist message even if you yourself are managing. That’s what scholars mean by “shared fate,” and it’s what’s missed when we analyze voting behavior only by income or education level or race. (Source: propublica.org)

    https://archive.is/Z2z5x

  90. I predict that Jill ‘Green’ Stein clears 5% in at least one state.

  91. @Diversity Heretic
    Trump will win in a fair election, but his margin of victory in the key swing states will have to be sufficiently large so that the vote-rigging is insufficient to overcome it. This may occur, because I think Jewish leaders favor Trump and will likely be in a position to curb the vote-rigging.

    The more interesting question is what happens if Trump does win. I see three definite possibilities. First would be a refusal to certify the election results, with the objective of throwing the contest to the House of Representatives. This is the least likely because each state has one vote and the number of Red States exceeds the number of Blue States by quite a bit, even if the Blue States have a population advantage. So Trump wins there.

    The second possibility, which I put at 50-50, is Trump's assassination, either before the inauguration or within a few months after it. One might argue that the Deep State dislikes Vance more than it dislikes Trump but that isn't certain and a Trump assassination might "send a message" to Vance that the same may be in store for him if he gets too far out of line.

    The third possibility is an outright attempted coup d'etat, which may or may not be accompanied by Trump's assassination. I don't think that it will be the military that will attempt the coup, but the FBI, backed by the DC Police and possibly the DC National Guard, is a distinct possibility. There is also the possibility of CIA participation and many federal agencies have paramilitary units that could be utilized in a coup. I put this possibility at between one in five and one in four.

    A Trump victory may also lead to resolutions of sucession by the legislatures of various Blue States. We are headed for interesting times!

    Replies: @rienzi

    You raise an interesting point. For all of those who think the Jews control just about everything, Trump has been the candidate completely on team Israel. Harris has been a lot more ambivalent on the subject.

    Just something to think about.

    Trump wins despite all sorts of shenanigans. The Dems. continue to scream and wail like toddlers denied candy right up to, and past inauguration day. Everything conceivable is done to keep him from assuming office, but it comes to naught, as to do so would trash the markets, and those who control the wealth don’t want that at all.

  92. It looks like Kamala ran a terrible campaign, which, I wouldn’t blame her for. She had no good options, either she goes along with Israel’s meltdown or she opposes it, either way for her it’s a no-win scenario. Biden has obliterated his entire memory into the year he stood like King Théoden with Tony Blinken as Wormtongue by his side as he lied constantly and pretended to be trying to end this war as he and Blinken simultaneously stood over doing everything to help intensify it. He will forever be “Genocide Joe”. He may be remembered even worse than that if Israel decides to roll the dice on this regional war. They’ll never be a better time or opening for them to try. And that’s remembering how Ukraine was going to be what we all associate him with before.

    In fact if I were the Democrats I’d be hoping for a Trump win Zionists and anti-Zionists alike. Trump was generally very hard on rhetorical support for Israel but weak on actually doing much in terms of fighting wars for them, it was all very much kabuki shadow boxing with Syria and Iran. (Though does anyone else remember how the media campaign against Trump suddenly stopped when he launched cruise missiles at Syria? Fareed Zakaria said “Tonight he truly became president”, that all fell away when it turns out he had them aim for empty desert and told the Syrians beforehand. It was all a negotiating tactic when meeting with Xi) That’s why the neocons lost their minds about him and ultimately was able to shift into a war with Russia. It was all about his comments on a war with Syria. Of course, ethnic animosity towards his being against inviting the world as much as invading was there too.

    However, it seems like Trump won’t be able to resist a war with Iran given how much he is boxing himself in with his rhetoric and how many on the right are too. He may yet surprise and certainly if he ends the war in Ukraine the logic of the regional war itself becomes compromised. Though even if it ended tomorrow Russia would take time to recover (And it has lost some key ships that were instrumental in deterring another Iraq with Syria last time) so maybe not. Indeed, maybe no longer having to support the Ukrainian army will only free up more weapon supplies to fight this war with Iran and or Syria. You may get a temporary halt to the flow at the border now for weaker political ability to fight it after he leaves the scene.

    So if you’re the Dems and stuck having to have the president completely bend over for the Israel lobby and fighting this insane war and become complicit in mass ethnic cleansing, then better for it to be Trump and force and association between this astounding madness and immigration restriction and help discredit populists and anti-immigration politics generally. That assumes Trump’s bite will match his bark for Israel which is an open question. Trump does have the ability to make big decisions and I do not think he would enjoy fighting Iran for Israel. He could take a lesson from Putin and take Jewish oligarch money for an election and turn around and betray them. It’s not like they can do anything more to him.

    The Biden admin was a crazed counter-revolution and went full-tilt naked invade the world, invite the world. It has helped to discredit these ideas very much. There only hope is to discredit the alternatives through marrying themselves to a crazed war of mass ethnic cleansing for Israel. Creating a link between the two in the public consciousness. Even if everyone who came up with these ideas was harassed for being against wars for Israel as much as mass migration. But after the “goy bye” who can tell?

    One thing is for sure, the 4 year long coup campaign, particularly played out by the media brought the legitimacy of the US electoral system into total disrepute through “Russiagate” (Which has also led to the Ukraine war and byproxy Israel’s current omni-war in the Middle East through the tying down of the Russian military and attention in Ukraine) for half the population with Trump’s victory in 2020; Trump’s loss in 2024 after the same campaign did so for the other half. Who can you trust to tell you what’s happening, what’s a weird pattern and that everything was legitimate or legitimate enough? That’s a problem.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @GeologyAnonMk2.2
    @Altai5

    I'm not real stressed about the US getting into a shooting war with Iran to help Netanyahu mutilate more women and children and avoid jail. It's just not really viable.

    Nobody in the neighborhood is going to give us basing or overflight permission and unlike Israel we can't violate the Arab states sovereignty so flippantly. So that just leaves the Navy and Marines, with some very- low sortie contribution from USAF B-2s and B-52s out of Diego Garcia. Meaning you're going to have to pull at least 3 CSGs and 3 ARGs to do anything operationally significant. We have at most 6 of each underway at any time (often less) and ADM Paparo, the last competent flag officer in the USN has signaled that he needs at least 5 CSGs to keep the PLAN in their cage if they make a play for Taiwan, and that TF77 won't engage until they are at full strength for an old school Mahanian decisive battle throw down.

    So the minimum threshold to support our dear allies in their quest to slaughter 90 million Persians would require committing "fleets in being" in such numbers that Taiwan becomes free real estate for the ChiComs. Frankly, Israel, Iran, and Taiwan could all suffer total existence failure tomorrow and approximately zero US national interests would be affected, but no rational person is going to commit to a war they will definitely lose in a strategic sense, which will also free up their #1 rival to conquer one of their "allies" and break out of the first island chain.

    Replies: @TrumpWon

    , @Supply and Demand
    @Altai5

    I’m a Democrat.
    I’m anti-Zionist.
    I’m anti-white.

    I’m voting for Kamala because she makes whites poorer. Simple as.

  93. The election will probably come down to White women in a handful of states. It could come down to a few hundred thousand White women voting on abortion.

    Loves to kill them babies – babies what I loves to kill. Chop they little heads off. Nibble on they tiny feet.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @vinteuil

    Although I don't have very strong feelings one way or the other about abortion, it does seem likely to me that the main reason prospective mothers and fathers want to get abortions is usually for some kind of economic reasons. (Of course there might also be medical reasons in some cases. My mother nearly died from preeclampsia when she was pregnant with me, but that didn't stop her from going on and having three more children and living to almost the age of 80.)

    For example they feel they cannot afford the medical costs of giving birth, or having to give up working to care for a child at home, or pay a large percentage or all of the income in child care expenses, or pay a large part of their earnings in child support payments (in the case of the father).

    Here in Ecuador, which is usually reckoned to be a poorer country than the USA, virtually no self-respecting young woman would be seen out without a toddler clutching a doll toddling at her side, and yet abortion is something that you hardly ever hear about.

    Perhaps this is because abortion is not legal except in cases of rape, rape of a mentally retarded person, or if they pregnancy is a threat to the life of the mother. Of course such laws are open to interpretation. If a pregnancy makes a prospective mother so depressed that she might kill herself, does that qualify as a threat to the life of the mother? And isn't continuing a pregnancy to term always more of a threat to the life of the mother than an early abortion?

    I can't really figure this out. Is the United States a much poorer country than we are led to believe? Or is it simply not true that people cannot afford to have children, and they just say this because they would prefer to have cats to children?

    Or is it the case that women in some states want to have abortions and cats, and women in other states want to have children? Beats me.

    As the United States is a secular country it seems to me that religious arguments should be left out of consideration when making laws, because, by definition, different religions have different beliefs.

    At one time the Republic of Ireland and the piece of Northern Ireland that is attached to the United Kingdom were differentiated by whether it was legal to buy condoms, but those times are long past.

    Replies: @Corn

  94. “What’s Going to Happen in the Electron?”

    Well, actually, that’s an absurd question because an electron is an elementary particle, meaning it is not made up of any smaller particles, so there is no “in” in an electron….

    Oh, you said election, never mind. I mean, who knows? Why do you ask? Don’t bother me.

  95. Trump. Not even close. Then we get four years of peaceful protests.

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @Dan Smith

    truly peaceful protests like the Pink Pussy Hat march or "mostly peaceful protests" like St George of Floyd???

  96. There were barely enough white people left in America to elect Trump in 2016, and even at that he didn’t win the popular vote. Now, forget it. Brownoid presidents will be the norm from here on out.

  97. @epebble
    Polymarket

    https://polymarket.com/elections

    is quoting 65.5% for Trump win.

    It is also quoting 58% Harris popular vote win. 2016 redux?

    On the other hand, University of Florida Election lab has early vote data. They say:

    Early votes by party are 39.9% D, 36.3% R, 23.8% I, indicating better D enthusiasm? ground game?

    By gender: 54.2% F, 43.8% M, indicating more woman power, helping D?

    https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/

    Replies: @Pixo, @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Curle

    You have to look at early vote versus the same early vote on the same day and state as 2020 and 2016.

    So Dems have a huge lead in PA but much less than before.

    In GA rural areas the early vote starts later than black Atlanta so the GOP closes strong the last week before the election.

    Trump is doing great in the EV!

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Pixo

    The smaller D - R difference doesn't interest me as much as the huge F - M difference.

    Right now, it is showing 10.1% difference (about 1.15 million votes in just 6 states) at about 25% of expected votes (running 47.5 million now). If this scales to the whole electorate, Harris will have a blowout win. If that happens, one can almost certainly conclude that Roe overturn killed Trump.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  98. Trump wins, and the Republicans get majorities in both houses.

    However, as a lame duck president Trump is considerably disempowered, and is unable to carry out most of the quackery he promised during his election campaign due to the fact that business oriented moderate Republicans in Congress suddenly rediscover their voice.

    Both parties will agree to pass much more bipartisan legislation than anybody expected.

    A sensible immigration bill will pass Congress, and there will be no need to build concentration camps to hold immigrants awaiting a court hearing.

    There will not be punitive tariffs on imports, but Congress will pass legislation both to encourage manufacturing within the borders of the US and American territories and to encourage American exports.

    Puerto Rico will secede from the US and join CARICOM.

    Donald Trump will resign for reasons of ill health within 12 months. Elon Musk will sell Twitter.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jonathan Mason


    '...A sensible immigration bill will pass Congress, and there will be no need to build concentration camps to hold immigrants awaiting a court hearing...'
     
    I like to think that by 'sensible,' you mean we'll dispense with the hearings.

    https://greene.house.gov/uploadedphotos/highresolution/0fc5dfe5-2cd3-4aa1-8006-ed260bc4c619.jpg

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    ...due to the fact that business oriented moderate Republicans in Congress suddenly rediscover their voice.
     
    You mean their donors' voice.

    Puerto Rico will secede from the US...
     
    Boy, are you an optimist.

    Elon Musk will sell Twitter.
     
    To whom?
  99. Based on the enthusiasm gap, early voting, and Harris being a truly incompetent and repellant candidate except to suburban women, Trump pulls it out, somewhere between narrowly (270-80) and moderately (310-320) in the electoral vote. Based on nearly every poll he is poised to make it a race. If the polling is as skewed as previously he seems certain to win. If its improved, things will be much closer but he does seem to be ahead. Mail in voting is also way down. I think this at least somewhat reduces fraud.

    I do not think he will win the popular vote, although a near tie or a narrow win there would be an encouraging sign, and would give him a (slightly) easier term.

    We can hope he learned from his first time mistakes. If not, expect a similarly useless four years with near constant shrieking from the left. If he selects a non Swamp administration (I know, I know) maybe a few good things could happen and set up a Vance term.

  100. Trump gets over 80 million votes and picks up 312 electoral votes. Trump unexpectedly wins one of the following four states in an upset… Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, or Virginia.

    How the Democrats react to this… tough call. I could see them doing everything they accused Trump of doing in 2020. But they are in a really bad position. Do they think the American people would buy Harris exceeding Biden’s 2020 total?

    Plan A in 2020 is not Plan A in 2024. Plan A for the Democrats in 2024 was that Trump would lose popularity with criminal convictions and be forced off the ballot through lawfare. That fell through when they lost 42 out of 44 cases in court trying to get him off the ballot, and Trump’s popularity increased despite, or perhaps because of, his criminal cases. Plans B and C also failed. They are on Plan D.

  101. It’s over, Steve. Kămălā Hærrıs has secured the endorsement of Ricky Martin, of “Livin’ La Vida Loca” fame.

  102. Trumpslide, overcoming massive fraud.
    Wins popular vote, too.

    • Agree: theMann
  103. I hope Trump wins, but after 2020, I’m not betting on anything.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  104. So are cuckservatives doing anything to obstruct Democrat vote fraud? Are they???

    No. They are not.

    Cuckservatives are at best ok with vote fraud, and at worst are actually enabling it by gaslighting the public about how it didn’t happen last time.

    Doomsday will arrive soon, alas. Remember that past omen of the End Times :

    The pro wrestler from the 80s and 90s, ‘Kamala the Ugandan Giant’, actually had the real last name ‘Harris’.

    James ‘Kamala’ Harris passed away just the DAY before this more recent Kamala Harris became the running mate on the 2020 Democratic ticket. It all happened in the Aug 9-10, 2020 period of 24 hours.

    Hence, there was an original ‘Kamala Harris’ 30 years ago :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_(wrestler)

    To think, the first ‘Kamala Harris’ passed away just the day before the second ‘Kamala Harris’ was appointed on the Veep slot, at a time when never has a Veep had a better chance of actually becoming POTUS due to Biden’s advanced age.

    What a coincidence. This was truly an immense coincidence.

    This was an Omen of supernatural proportions. It should still not be taken lightly, even four years on. Coincidences of such precision are always omens.

    Just like Trump turning his head at exactly the correct split second was also an act of divine intervention. Perhaps this divine act cancels out the previous ‘Kamala’ omen of end times.

  105. @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Roderick Spode

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @John Johnson

    They're drinking beer, not hardstuff. British police take wine with their lunch. I don't see a problem apart from the cigarettes, which are an evil invention intended to be just short of what you need, a kind of planned obsolescence.

    , @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    https://greene.house.gov/uploadedphotos/highresolution/0fc5dfe5-2cd3-4aa1-8006-ed260bc4c619.jpg

  106. This is not good. You can gin up all the ballots you need to win in less than three days.

    Nevada Supreme Court DENIES Republican appeal in mail-in ballot lawsuit. Non-postmarked ballots received up to three days after Election Day will be counted.

    https://instapundit.com/680558/

  107. Kamala is XXY.

    • Replies: @Anymike
    @Santoculto

    Let's take the idea seriously. The condition you probably are thinking of is complete androgen insensitvity syndrome (CAIS), not the XXY genotype. The simple reason why it has to be androgen insensitivity is because both XXY abd XXXY individuals develop into phenotypic males albeit with anomalous characteristics. In any case, I am expert on this topic because I saw it once on Dr. House and because I just did a little cursory research, which is more than most people do online even though they have the internet.

    I saw the claim once that perhaps Marilyn Monroe was a CAIS phenotypic female. The person who suggested this said that CAIS females often are extremely good looking and exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. Harris in her young adult years was deemed good looking but she also exhibits levels of aggresion and combativeness that could characterized as masculine.

    Another phenoptypic expression of CAIS is the absence of female internal reproductive anatomy. CAIS females are therefore always childless.

    Knowing these facts, you arrive at a similar situation to the one you have with athletes and suspicions that they may be using or have used performance enhancing drugs (PEDs). Aside from the physical changes PEDs produce, the salient symptom of PED use is enhanced performance. As a consequence, any time you see enhanced performance, you have to consider PED use.

    It may be the case that some considerable portion of athletes who perform at a high level have used PEDs. In the case of CAIS females, the incidence of CAIS is at the most one in 40,000 births. Nevertheless, you see the manifestations childlessness, good looks and extremes of attention-getting behavior and the thought has to at least cross your mind. It raises the odds. Though to what? One in 5000? One in a thousand?

    Whatever the odds are, it's not very likely. But not likely is not the same things as impossible. Dig up a some thousands of women who fit the profile who are celebrities and public figures, and, good chance, you'll find one. I said one. Not a bunch. One. It's not a common syndrome.

  108. @Mike Tre
    I predict a Trump win will do little to slow immigration and the general decline of the country.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    AGREE.

    It just doesn’t matter, because whoever we vote for cannot steer this ship. This is delusional. Sure, each individual does have some effect, but however much, it is miniscule in comparison to The Powers That Be who control media, academia, finance, and who essentially own many politicians at the higher levels. Plus most unelected government apparatchiks wouldn’t dare do anything to harm their own sinecures.

    We can’t do anything.

    Anything other than this, the eventual, inevitable result of their hubris:

    • Agree: BB753
  109. @vinteuil

    The election will probably come down to White women in a handful of states. It could come down to a few hundred thousand White women voting on abortion.
     
    Loves to kill them babies - babies what I loves to kill. Chop they little heads off. Nibble on they tiny feet.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Although I don’t have very strong feelings one way or the other about abortion, it does seem likely to me that the main reason prospective mothers and fathers want to get abortions is usually for some kind of economic reasons. (Of course there might also be medical reasons in some cases. My mother nearly died from preeclampsia when she was pregnant with me, but that didn’t stop her from going on and having three more children and living to almost the age of 80.)

    For example they feel they cannot afford the medical costs of giving birth, or having to give up working to care for a child at home, or pay a large percentage or all of the income in child care expenses, or pay a large part of their earnings in child support payments (in the case of the father).

    Here in Ecuador, which is usually reckoned to be a poorer country than the USA, virtually no self-respecting young woman would be seen out without a toddler clutching a doll toddling at her side, and yet abortion is something that you hardly ever hear about.

    Perhaps this is because abortion is not legal except in cases of rape, rape of a mentally retarded person, or if they pregnancy is a threat to the life of the mother. Of course such laws are open to interpretation. If a pregnancy makes a prospective mother so depressed that she might kill herself, does that qualify as a threat to the life of the mother? And isn’t continuing a pregnancy to term always more of a threat to the life of the mother than an early abortion?

    I can’t really figure this out. Is the United States a much poorer country than we are led to believe? Or is it simply not true that people cannot afford to have children, and they just say this because they would prefer to have cats to children?

    Or is it the case that women in some states want to have abortions and cats, and women in other states want to have children? Beats me.

    As the United States is a secular country it seems to me that religious arguments should be left out of consideration when making laws, because, by definition, different religions have different beliefs.

    At one time the Republic of Ireland and the piece of Northern Ireland that is attached to the United Kingdom were differentiated by whether it was legal to buy condoms, but those times are long past.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Jonathan Mason


    Or is it simply not true that people cannot afford to have children, and they just say this because they would prefer to have cats to children?
     
    I think that’s very often the case

    Replies: @TrumpWon, @MB

  110. @Altai5
    It looks like Kamala ran a terrible campaign, which, I wouldn't blame her for. She had no good options, either she goes along with Israel's meltdown or she opposes it, either way for her it's a no-win scenario. Biden has obliterated his entire memory into the year he stood like King Théoden with Tony Blinken as Wormtongue by his side as he lied constantly and pretended to be trying to end this war as he and Blinken simultaneously stood over doing everything to help intensify it. He will forever be "Genocide Joe". He may be remembered even worse than that if Israel decides to roll the dice on this regional war. They'll never be a better time or opening for them to try. And that's remembering how Ukraine was going to be what we all associate him with before.

    In fact if I were the Democrats I'd be hoping for a Trump win Zionists and anti-Zionists alike. Trump was generally very hard on rhetorical support for Israel but weak on actually doing much in terms of fighting wars for them, it was all very much kabuki shadow boxing with Syria and Iran. (Though does anyone else remember how the media campaign against Trump suddenly stopped when he launched cruise missiles at Syria? Fareed Zakaria said "Tonight he truly became president", that all fell away when it turns out he had them aim for empty desert and told the Syrians beforehand. It was all a negotiating tactic when meeting with Xi) That's why the neocons lost their minds about him and ultimately was able to shift into a war with Russia. It was all about his comments on a war with Syria. Of course, ethnic animosity towards his being against inviting the world as much as invading was there too.

    However, it seems like Trump won't be able to resist a war with Iran given how much he is boxing himself in with his rhetoric and how many on the right are too. He may yet surprise and certainly if he ends the war in Ukraine the logic of the regional war itself becomes compromised. Though even if it ended tomorrow Russia would take time to recover (And it has lost some key ships that were instrumental in deterring another Iraq with Syria last time) so maybe not. Indeed, maybe no longer having to support the Ukrainian army will only free up more weapon supplies to fight this war with Iran and or Syria. You may get a temporary halt to the flow at the border now for weaker political ability to fight it after he leaves the scene.

    So if you're the Dems and stuck having to have the president completely bend over for the Israel lobby and fighting this insane war and become complicit in mass ethnic cleansing, then better for it to be Trump and force and association between this astounding madness and immigration restriction and help discredit populists and anti-immigration politics generally. That assumes Trump's bite will match his bark for Israel which is an open question. Trump does have the ability to make big decisions and I do not think he would enjoy fighting Iran for Israel. He could take a lesson from Putin and take Jewish oligarch money for an election and turn around and betray them. It's not like they can do anything more to him.

    The Biden admin was a crazed counter-revolution and went full-tilt naked invade the world, invite the world. It has helped to discredit these ideas very much. There only hope is to discredit the alternatives through marrying themselves to a crazed war of mass ethnic cleansing for Israel. Creating a link between the two in the public consciousness. Even if everyone who came up with these ideas was harassed for being against wars for Israel as much as mass migration. But after the "goy bye" who can tell?

    One thing is for sure, the 4 year long coup campaign, particularly played out by the media brought the legitimacy of the US electoral system into total disrepute through "Russiagate" (Which has also led to the Ukraine war and byproxy Israel's current omni-war in the Middle East through the tying down of the Russian military and attention in Ukraine) for half the population with Trump's victory in 2020; Trump's loss in 2024 after the same campaign did so for the other half. Who can you trust to tell you what's happening, what's a weird pattern and that everything was legitimate or legitimate enough? That's a problem.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk2.2, @Supply and Demand

    I’m not real stressed about the US getting into a shooting war with Iran to help Netanyahu mutilate more women and children and avoid jail. It’s just not really viable.

    Nobody in the neighborhood is going to give us basing or overflight permission and unlike Israel we can’t violate the Arab states sovereignty so flippantly. So that just leaves the Navy and Marines, with some very- low sortie contribution from USAF B-2s and B-52s out of Diego Garcia. Meaning you’re going to have to pull at least 3 CSGs and 3 ARGs to do anything operationally significant. We have at most 6 of each underway at any time (often less) and ADM Paparo, the last competent flag officer in the USN has signaled that he needs at least 5 CSGs to keep the PLAN in their cage if they make a play for Taiwan, and that TF77 won’t engage until they are at full strength for an old school Mahanian decisive battle throw down.

    So the minimum threshold to support our dear allies in their quest to slaughter 90 million Persians would require committing “fleets in being” in such numbers that Taiwan becomes free real estate for the ChiComs. Frankly, Israel, Iran, and Taiwan could all suffer total existence failure tomorrow and approximately zero US national interests would be affected, but no rational person is going to commit to a war they will definitely lose in a strategic sense, which will also free up their #1 rival to conquer one of their “allies” and break out of the first island chain.

    • Replies: @TrumpWon
    @GeologyAnonMk2.2

    Iran and Israel don't do much for our national interest but Taiwan is pretty much all the high end manufacturing and semiconductors so losing it would be an economic gut punch. Followed by an uppercut, and then a body slam.

  111. @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Roderick Spode

    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don’t even know who she is.

    I wouldn’t have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There’s your answer.

    • Replies: @Anymike
    @Buzz Mohawk

    She has yellow hair, she must be beautiful. It's all that simple.

  112. @Colin Wright
    Trump's lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Plus, Harris is so unpopular that many Democrats just aren't on board. Is Zuckerberg sponsoring collecting ballots this time around? I know both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post are refusing to endorse Harris. Would they cooperate again in a Russian collusion fraud or overlooking election irregularities?

    I think Trump's going to win, and the win won't be taken away from him.

    People I want to see active in the new administration. J.D. Vance, Elon Musk, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Tulsi Gabbard, Mayra Flores...

    Marjorie Taylor Greene!

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    ...and just to reach across party lines... Rashida Tlaib as ambassadrix to Israel Palestine. Okay, okay: can't have that, I guess.

    Replies: @anonymous, @ScarletNumber, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Alden

    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don’t even know who she is.

    I wouldn’t have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There’s your answer.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Buzz Mohawk


    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don’t even know who she is.

    I wouldn’t have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There’s your answer.
     
    Don't talk shit about Marjorie Taylor Greene. She's going to be our next attorney general.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  113. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    https://i.imgflip.com/s4kmv.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright

    They’re drinking beer, not hardstuff. British police take wine with their lunch. I don’t see a problem apart from the cigarettes, which are an evil invention intended to be just short of what you need, a kind of planned obsolescence.

  114. @anonymous
    @Colin Wright

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03/burst-pipe-delays-atlanta-absentee-vote-433988

    I think a water pipe burst pause could be enough time to truck in 100,000 absentee ballots in any state. That could still be enough of a push for Democrats to win. If Trump wins there will be too much hate against him to effectively fight a war on behalf of Israel becaue the media will become very negative about it to hurt the Trump presidency. I think most Jewish oligarchs see Harris as the best candidate for Israel.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…That could still be enough of a push for Democrats to win. If Trump wins there will be too much hate against him to effectively fight a war on behalf of Israel becaue the media will become very negative about it to hurt the Trump presidency. I think most Jewish oligarchs see Harris as the best candidate for Israel.’

    Ironically, that’s more or less how I would rationalize voting for Trump; a Trump win turns Israel into a partisan issue.

    …I’m not all that convinced by that myself — but happily, I don’t have to be. Portland-Eugene-Bend means Harris wins Oregon for sure. So I can vote for Jill Stein; me voting for Trump won’t make any difference anyway. The more she picks up, the less automatic Democratic support for Israel becomes.

  115. I’ll guess that there won’t be any surprises in the states that currently look solid one way or the other, that Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania will break for Harris, and that North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada will break for Trump. That will give a final Electoral College score of 270 Harris/ 268 Trump. I’ll go further out on a limb and guess that Trump will win the popular vote, that Republicans will pick up control of the Senate even though more voters will have backed Democratic candidates for the Senate, and that Democrats will pick up control of the House even though more voters will have backed Republican candidates for the House. That result will make everyone miserable, in most cases deservedly so.

  116. @Buzz Mohawk

    "... it’s on your permanent record."
     
    Yes, yes, it's going to be on your permanent record, along with facial recognition, purchases, travels, texts, emails, phone calls, IP addresses, and every single fucking thing that you do.

    No matter who you vote for, the future is going to be a scary place, but you can pretend that this election will make a difference.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    No matter who you vote for, the future is going to be a scary place, but you can pretend that this election will make a difference.

    Sadly, what was Enoch-Powell level of realism and a firm repudiation of minoritarianism 60+ years ago when these worms started pushing it.

    By now the fabric of what was America is pretty worm eaten as witness by the fact that this vapid, anti-white whore has even a chance of winning the Presidency and certainly will get 45%+ of the national vote even in a “best case” scenario.

    Even if Trump wins–as he should–our slumping-toward-Brazil future looks grim. This really does look like “the Chinese Century”. They too have their issues–they have to crack the fertility issue–and a parasitic elite. But what they do not have is an establishment in thrall to this minoritarian/immigrationist idiocy, utterly dominant in our feminized media and elite institutions.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast, TrumpWon
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @AnotherDad

    Thank you, Dad, for recognizing my "Enoch-Powell level of realism." Though not as great as that man, I cannot help but feel that I now share his feelings -- about my own homeland.

    You get it, at least as far as the immigration (the invasion, invited and facilitated from within!)

    I value your comments.

    , @Houston 1992
    @AnotherDad

    As China races ahead of the USA , the. That may burst the bubbles that our elites reside in , and perhaps then they will , if only of necessity , become more realistic

    Replies: @Sick n' Tired

  117. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    However, if Sailer/Cochran get on the ticket they might have a chance. They could go Full Nietzschean Power mode and declare Covid Lockdons until 2030. They could require mandatory gooning to the image white guys dying in WWII for the sake of our little Brown brothers.

    Cochran takes the aggressive Nietzschean approach while Sailer plays it more low key, but it goes to the same place. Both of them holding a bullwhip over young white men, telling them to sacrifice their one and only life for the sake of war with Mother Russia and CivNat Wacky World Dreams!

    They both exhibited actual authoritarianism. And they both pushed what most considered lies about the pipeline explosion. If only they could get some of that sweet Zelensky cash through the back channels.

    How are the book sales going by the way?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I understand you are crazy and not worth arguing with, but for anyone else wondering, Steve and Greg don’t advocate either for sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Anonymous

    I’d be surprised if Mr. Sailer has stated any position on “sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns,” especially of late. But he was an armchair warballer in a blue and yellow jersey with Z’s name on the back for nearly a year after Russia’s invasion and a ninny during the dempanic, especially about the, at best, marginally effective vaccines therapeutic crapshots. If deployment or lockdown orders are issued, wouldn’t you predict iCrickets?

    Which quite apparently was Loyalty’s point — Mr. Sailer opposes the Establishment on practically nothing outside his HBD boys only tree fort. What’s “crazy” about noticing that?

    Replies: @Mark G., @William Badwhite, @anonymous

    , @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Anonymous

    American troops and the CIA have already been involved in Ukraine for years.

    Cochran hinted it would be a good idea if someone assassinated Putin. That would make things dramatically worse. He's unhinged on the topic. Apparently, the kind of warball Cochran likes best is anything where a white country gets the stuffing beat out of it.

  118. @Rahuthedotard
    Trump, by a comfortable margin in the Electoral College is the way to bet. I assume the polls showing a tight race in the swing states are more or less rigged to save down-ballot Democrats in the Senate and House by encouraging core Dem voters to vote. Personally, I'd like to see the Democrat Party punished for a generation for foisting manifestly unfit Biden (and then Harris) on the USA, but that's unlikely to say the least.

    Repubs will likely retain the House and get a 51-49 Senate, but whether they can pick up seats in swing states OH,WI and PA to buffer an unfavorable map in '26 and add enough seats in the House to get meaningful legislative reforms--Trump's "coattails"--that is a prop bet I'm not willing to risk my (nonexistent) prognosticator's reputation on.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Nicholas Stix

    Trump, by a comfortable margin in the Electoral College is the way to bet.

    I guess if I’m going to put down a number than I’ll go with 297-241 Trump.

    I.e. Harris wins–or steals–just one of the swingers. But that’s the uncertainty.

    Harris has a ton of money, it is not impossible that the Parasite Party ground game can get their voters ballots to the polls bin. I’m not sure the polls and “likely voter” models account for the level of ballot harvesting these people can do. So almost anything is possible. And a lot of normie Americans could wake up November 6th–or 7th or 8th–and have a very bad taste in their mouth, realizing the whole “America a democracy” thing has been tossed out the window.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @AnotherDad


    '...and have a very bad taste in their mouth, realizing the whole “America a democracy” thing has been tossed out the window.'
     
    And at that point, no matter what happens, it's not good.
  119. Been going back and forth. I mean, if it were a real election Trump would obviously win, so it’s a matter of who the Deep State wants. I think it will be Trump, for two reasons. First, he’s more pro-Israel and can get the Scots-Irish warrior class behind a war in the Middle East. Second, I think we are on the verge of an economic calamity which will make 2008 look like a walk in the park. In the eyes of TPTB, better to have Trump and the Republicans in charge so they can take the blame for it.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I agree. They will allow Trump to win this time.

  120. @Old Prude
    Whatever happens, I am stocking up on toilet paper and whiskey this week.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jim Don Bob

    Whatever happens, I am stocking up on toilet paper and whiskey this week.

    Ammo too.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  121. News headline from second day of Trump II admin…

    TRUMP MAKES HISTORIC DEAL WITH CONGRESS: IMMIGRATION TO BOOST BY 30% IN EXCHANGE FOR INCREASED AID TO ISRAEL

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  122. The Washington Post, the San Francisco Chronicle, the LA Times, and now USA Today have refused to endorse Kămălā Hærrıs.

  123. One potential barometer of sentiment is the data for options contracts for November 8, 2024, for the Trump Media & Technology Group Corp. (DJT).

    DJT options contracts for November 8, 2024
    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DJT/options/?date=1731024000

    For example, if you look at equivalently priced contracts (calls or puts) closest to the in-the-money threshold for the respective types of contracts, as of today, market sentiment is positive for DJT.

    These data may be more indicative than the price of DJT stock, which is up 400% in the last five weeks. Trading in DJT is the 2024 version of the Trump Casino!

  124. @AnotherDad
    @Rahuthedotard


    Trump, by a comfortable margin in the Electoral College is the way to bet.
     
    I guess if I'm going to put down a number than I'll go with 297-241 Trump.

    I.e. Harris wins--or steals--just one of the swingers. But that's the uncertainty.

    Harris has a ton of money, it is not impossible that the Parasite Party ground game can get their voters ballots to the polls bin. I'm not sure the polls and "likely voter" models account for the level of ballot harvesting these people can do. So almost anything is possible. And a lot of normie Americans could wake up November 6th--or 7th or 8th--and have a very bad taste in their mouth, realizing the whole "America a democracy" thing has been tossed out the window.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…and have a very bad taste in their mouth, realizing the whole “America a democracy” thing has been tossed out the window.’

    And at that point, no matter what happens, it’s not good.

    • Disagree: lavoisier
  125. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright

    https://i.imgflip.com/s4kmv.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright

  126. As the President of the Senate certifies the 2024 Presidential election, the winner is K. Harris!

  127. New York Times article discusses how some federal judges claim to be confused by Heller/Bruen standard.

    William Kirk discusses all the cases that have been GVR’d in recent years and how that has not changed a single thing. The Courts continue to rule the same way, ignore Supreme Court precedent and often times, actually taunt the Supreme Court with their outright denial of higher court precedent.

    William Kirk discusses the proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law that GOA and the other plaintiffs have filed in the matter of (IL) Barnett v. Raoul.

    Warren Burger Was Wrong: 19th Century Sources Confirm the 2nd Amendment Protects an Individual Right

  128. @Jonathan Mason
    Trump wins, and the Republicans get majorities in both houses.

    However, as a lame duck president Trump is considerably disempowered, and is unable to carry out most of the quackery he promised during his election campaign due to the fact that business oriented moderate Republicans in Congress suddenly rediscover their voice.

    Both parties will agree to pass much more bipartisan legislation than anybody expected.

    A sensible immigration bill will pass Congress, and there will be no need to build concentration camps to hold immigrants awaiting a court hearing.

    There will not be punitive tariffs on imports, but Congress will pass legislation both to encourage manufacturing within the borders of the US and American territories and to encourage American exports.

    Puerto Rico will secede from the US and join CARICOM.

    Donald Trump will resign for reasons of ill health within 12 months. Elon Musk will sell Twitter.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar

    ‘…A sensible immigration bill will pass Congress, and there will be no need to build concentration camps to hold immigrants awaiting a court hearing…’

    I like to think that by ‘sensible,’ you mean we’ll dispense with the hearings.

  129. @Greta Handel
    Has Mr. Sailer, even in this sportsbally way, ever planted his feet on politician Donald Trump?

    Keep his wry sly detachment in mind when considering whether or how to play a part in Most Important Election Ever v.2024. I suspect he long ago noticed that the engineered strife over transgender statues and Confederate bathrooms and the nail biting closeness of the related votes (including in Congress and the SCOTUS) are part of the Red+Blue intramurals staged to keep people voting at each other.

    No matter who’s elected and installed, Big Finance, Pharma, and War will win this one, too. That’s why so many of your kids can’t afford a house, are on zombie medication, and with dismal job prospects might decide to “serve” in WWIII. The country has been falling apart your whole life, due in large part to a ruling class that couldn’t care less.

    Meanwhile, neither puppet utters a practical peep against what actually matters to the Establishment. Tell yourself whatever you want, but a vote for either is a vote for just that.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Guest29048

    Disagree.

    Robert Kennedy Jr. says that Donald Trump is breaking tradition by privately funding his transition team and has already started it three months early.

    Kennedy began by talking about why he’s chosen to trust Trump, saying, “I’ve talked to Donald Trump specifically about this, and I said, ‘Look, the last time you were in there, you put John Bolton in charge of NSA, and Mike Pompeo in charge of the CIA… and he said, ‘Here’s the difference… when I got in last time, I had no idea how to govern, and I got surrounded by donors and corporate people who said you appoint this guy and appoint that guy… I appointed a lot of bad people.’

    He continued, “I was listening this morning to this extraordinary interview that Donald Trump did with Joe Rogan yesterday… and he said, ‘This time I’m not gonna do that.’ He told us that (too), and he didn’t just promise that, but he did something no other president’s done before. Normally, the transition team is not created until November 6th because GAO, the General Accounting Office, pays for all the cost of the transition team. Trump said, ‘I’m not gonna do it this time. I’m not gonna do it their way. I’m gonna start my own transition team three months early.’ And he got private donors to fund it, and he’s appointed 20 people including me and Tulsi, and there’s people of all different kinds of ideology and people who we’re gonna have to go up against on that transition team and fight for our vision. But I can tell you this, which is unique: there are no corporate lobbyists on that transition team. And, usually, it’s 100% corporate lobbyists. So it’s very, very different, and it gives me lots of hope that this government is gonna be different than any government we’ve ever seen.”

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Guest29048

    Smells like Ilana Mercer’s February 6, 2016, The Winning Trump Ticket & Cabinet (Part I). (Don’t waste your time looking for Part II.)

    SOS, microwaved.

  130. @Jonathan Mason
    @vinteuil

    Although I don't have very strong feelings one way or the other about abortion, it does seem likely to me that the main reason prospective mothers and fathers want to get abortions is usually for some kind of economic reasons. (Of course there might also be medical reasons in some cases. My mother nearly died from preeclampsia when she was pregnant with me, but that didn't stop her from going on and having three more children and living to almost the age of 80.)

    For example they feel they cannot afford the medical costs of giving birth, or having to give up working to care for a child at home, or pay a large percentage or all of the income in child care expenses, or pay a large part of their earnings in child support payments (in the case of the father).

    Here in Ecuador, which is usually reckoned to be a poorer country than the USA, virtually no self-respecting young woman would be seen out without a toddler clutching a doll toddling at her side, and yet abortion is something that you hardly ever hear about.

    Perhaps this is because abortion is not legal except in cases of rape, rape of a mentally retarded person, or if they pregnancy is a threat to the life of the mother. Of course such laws are open to interpretation. If a pregnancy makes a prospective mother so depressed that she might kill herself, does that qualify as a threat to the life of the mother? And isn't continuing a pregnancy to term always more of a threat to the life of the mother than an early abortion?

    I can't really figure this out. Is the United States a much poorer country than we are led to believe? Or is it simply not true that people cannot afford to have children, and they just say this because they would prefer to have cats to children?

    Or is it the case that women in some states want to have abortions and cats, and women in other states want to have children? Beats me.

    As the United States is a secular country it seems to me that religious arguments should be left out of consideration when making laws, because, by definition, different religions have different beliefs.

    At one time the Republic of Ireland and the piece of Northern Ireland that is attached to the United Kingdom were differentiated by whether it was legal to buy condoms, but those times are long past.

    Replies: @Corn

    Or is it simply not true that people cannot afford to have children, and they just say this because they would prefer to have cats to children?

    I think that’s very often the case

    • Replies: @TrumpWon
    @Corn

    Only illegals can afford to have kids. Everyone else has to file a tax return. Illegals don't, because their kids are the ones getting all the benefits. The kids have no earned income but collect enough bennies for the entire family (Section 8, SNAP/EBT, direct cash assistance, Free Obamacare, etc) And then in CA the state showers them with money that citizens can't get, plus free tuition at any UC. Try getting any of that crap with a valid Social Security number. You have to fill out FAFSA.

    , @MB
    @Corn

    Having stood outside a PP clinic a time or two, most of the clients drive very nice cars.
    Conclusion, they are not poor/prefer car payments over having a child.

  131. @JR Ewing
    Also, as long as we are on the election, here in Texas we are getting bombarded with ads for the senate race. Democrats hate Ted Cruz, and I totally understand why they do, even if I disagree with it, and they feel like they might be able to eke out a win against him. In fact, if this were not a presidential election and Trump weren't on the ballot, I would suspect that Ted Cruz was going to lose. But Trump has coattails, especially in Texas. It will be close.

    Nonetheless, I've been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned. I've been especially amazed at how stupid democrat voters in Texas must be because this Collin Allred guy is running abortion ads 24x7 against 'ol Ted and and they apparently must be effective because he keeps running them. The problem is, the Texas anti-abortion law that they keep railing against has nothing to do with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is a US Senator. Ted Cruz can't vote for Texas state abortion laws. But they keep running these ads and insinuating that he has something to do with state law. So dumb, but apparently effective.

    FWIW, I don't think I could live in a swing state and stay sane. The ads from just this one race are driving me crazy, I couldn't stand to have to hear the same dumb ads over and over for multiple races for months on end.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Anon7, @MM, @Jonathan Mason, @EdwardM

    People exaggerate the effect of political advertising.

    I lived in the USA for 30 years and I think I only ever saw two political advertisements on TV, heard a few on the radio, and saw billboards on the interstate highways.

    I remember hearing Barack Obama saying in not very good Spanish that he approved a message on the radio.

    It really isn’t that hard to avoid them, even though political consultants obviously believe that swing voters pay attention to TV ads for candidates.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Jonathan Mason

    "It really isn’t that hard to avoid them, even though political consultants obviously believe that swing voters pay attention to TV ads for candidates."

    Or maybe political consultants get paid a percentage of the ad dollars spent win or lose.

  132. @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You are backwards in your first paragraph. It is the Republicans and alleged 'conservatives who demand that Middle Americans, especially Christian conservatives, give them their all while the Republicans and pressed 'conservatives' give only lip service to their voting base.

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Den Wilhelm den doofen, indeed

  133. @Jonathan Mason
    @JR Ewing

    People exaggerate the effect of political advertising.

    I lived in the USA for 30 years and I think I only ever saw two political advertisements on TV, heard a few on the radio, and saw billboards on the interstate highways.

    I remember hearing Barack Obama saying in not very good Spanish that he approved a message on the radio.

    It really isn't that hard to avoid them, even though political consultants obviously believe that swing voters pay attention to TV ads for candidates.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “It really isn’t that hard to avoid them, even though political consultants obviously believe that swing voters pay attention to TV ads for candidates.”

    Or maybe political consultants get paid a percentage of the ad dollars spent win or lose.

  134. @Jonathan Mason
    Trump wins, and the Republicans get majorities in both houses.

    However, as a lame duck president Trump is considerably disempowered, and is unable to carry out most of the quackery he promised during his election campaign due to the fact that business oriented moderate Republicans in Congress suddenly rediscover their voice.

    Both parties will agree to pass much more bipartisan legislation than anybody expected.

    A sensible immigration bill will pass Congress, and there will be no need to build concentration camps to hold immigrants awaiting a court hearing.

    There will not be punitive tariffs on imports, but Congress will pass legislation both to encourage manufacturing within the borders of the US and American territories and to encourage American exports.

    Puerto Rico will secede from the US and join CARICOM.

    Donald Trump will resign for reasons of ill health within 12 months. Elon Musk will sell Twitter.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar

    …due to the fact that business oriented moderate Republicans in Congress suddenly rediscover their voice.

    You mean their donors’ voice.

    Puerto Rico will secede from the US…

    Boy, are you an optimist.

    Elon Musk will sell Twitter.

    To whom?

  135. I will go out on a limb and predict that John Barrasso wins his bid to be reëlected as U.S. Senator from Wyoming.

    (Disclosure: The oddsmakers say Barrasso has a greater than 99% chance of winning. SafeNow is playing it safe.)

    Seriously, here’s the point. Barrasso recently polled nationally as the most popular US Senator. His first career was as a physician, before becoming a rational, logical, nerdy, intelligent, honest, hard-working Senator. This result is what happens when engineers, physicians, etc. – – rather than lawyers – – become our political leaders. Keep up the good work, John.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SafeNow


    I will go out on a limb and predict that John Barrasso wins his bid to be reëlected as U.S. Senator from Wyoming.
     
    Amzing. Somebody here still reads the New Yorker.
    , @Ralph L
    @SafeNow

    If there's a doctor in an Agatha Christie story, he's the killer.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  136. @SafeNow
    I will go out on a limb and predict that John Barrasso wins his bid to be reëlected as U.S. Senator from Wyoming.

    (Disclosure: The oddsmakers say Barrasso has a greater than 99% chance of winning. SafeNow is playing it safe.)

    Seriously, here’s the point. Barrasso recently polled nationally as the most popular US Senator. His first career was as a physician, before becoming a rational, logical, nerdy, intelligent, honest, hard-working Senator. This result is what happens when engineers, physicians, etc. - - rather than lawyers - - become our political leaders. Keep up the good work, John.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ralph L

    I will go out on a limb and predict that John Barrasso wins his bid to be reëlected as U.S. Senator from Wyoming.

    Amzing. Somebody here still reads the New Yorker.

  137. @Mark G.
    Trump will win because people are worse off than four years ago. You have record numbers of people working a second job and record levels of credit card and household debt as average working class people struggle to make ends meet. This includes working class Blacks and Hispanics and they will help Trump win.

    The Covid lockdowns and the money printing to offset the negative economic effects of the lockdowns ended up having a worse economic effect than imagined by leading to high inflation and a lower standard of living. Florida which, adjusted for age distribution, had a Covid death rate at the national average turned out to have the right policy in not following along.

    High levels of immigration helped result in sluggish economic growth, since the quality of many of the immigrants was quite low. We continued to waste money on overseas wars, several hundred overseas military bases and a huge military to deal with an imaginary threat of various new Hitlers out to conquer the world. It will be the combination of the inflation, immigration and imperialism problems that will help Trump get a second term.

    Replies: @NoBodyImportant, @Bragadocious

    The Covid lockdowns and the money printing to offset the negative economic effects of the lockdowns ended up having a worse economic effect than imagined by leading to high inflation and a lower standard of living

    Nah, inflation was under control in Jan. 2021. The problem was Biden-Harris’ “net zero” carbon policy and the shutting down of oil and gas leases on federal lands. That was the first body blow. The second came after the Ukraine war and the sanctions on Russia, which sent the price of energy soaring. That was the killer blow. Biden spinned it as “Putin’s price hike” but Putin had nothing to do with it. It was Biden, always.

    Speaking of Covid, I believe Trump is leaving money on the table by not hammering Biden-Harris six ways to Sunday on their vax mandates and vicious demonization of vaccine refuseniks.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Bragadocious


    Nah, inflation was under control in Jan. 2021. The problem was Biden-Harris’ “net zero” carbon policy and the shutting down of oil and gas leases on federal lands. That was the first body blow. The second came after the Ukraine war and the sanctions on Russia, which sent the price of energy soaring. That was the killer blow. Biden spinned it as “Putin’s price hike” but Putin had nothing to do with it. It was Biden, always.
     
    I don’t want to be an autist harping on this but I’ve brought this up multiple times to other people. Democrats try to blame gas prices on the Ukraine invasion or other Russian machinations, but I remember otherwise.

    Biden took office. Within days he killed that XL Pipeline deal with Canada. Gas went up almost immediately and kept going up for 1 1/2 -2 years.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  138. @SafeNow
    I will go out on a limb and predict that John Barrasso wins his bid to be reëlected as U.S. Senator from Wyoming.

    (Disclosure: The oddsmakers say Barrasso has a greater than 99% chance of winning. SafeNow is playing it safe.)

    Seriously, here’s the point. Barrasso recently polled nationally as the most popular US Senator. His first career was as a physician, before becoming a rational, logical, nerdy, intelligent, honest, hard-working Senator. This result is what happens when engineers, physicians, etc. - - rather than lawyers - - become our political leaders. Keep up the good work, John.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ralph L

    If there’s a doctor in an Agatha Christie story, he’s the killer.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Ralph L

    Not necessarily. It can be a judge.

  139. @Pixo
    @epebble

    You have to look at early vote versus the same early vote on the same day and state as 2020 and 2016.

    So Dems have a huge lead in PA but much less than before.

    In GA rural areas the early vote starts later than black Atlanta so the GOP closes strong the last week before the election.

    Trump is doing great in the EV!

    Replies: @epebble

    The smaller D – R difference doesn’t interest me as much as the huge F – M difference.

    Right now, it is showing 10.1% difference (about 1.15 million votes in just 6 states) at about 25% of expected votes (running 47.5 million now). If this scales to the whole electorate, Harris will have a blowout win. If that happens, one can almost certainly conclude that Roe overturn killed Trump.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @epebble


    The smaller D – R difference doesn’t interest me as much as the huge F – M difference.

    If this scales to the whole electorate, Harris will have a blowout win. If that happens, one can almost certainly conclude that Roe overturn killed Trump.
     
    Let's unpack your logic:

    a) Women are reduceable to their cunts uteri
    b) They believe this themselves
    c) They vote accordingly
    d) Nothing motivates them more
     
    The F-M difference in the D direction hatched and grew during the decades when Roe was an impregnable fortress. (Women had been slightly more R than men before that.) Something else was responsible for the shift.

    Like 50 years of the corruption of our young women.

    Replies: @epebble

  140. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Colin Wright

    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don't even know who she is.

    I wouldn't have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There's your answer.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don’t even know who she is.

    I wouldn’t have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There’s your answer.

    Don’t talk shit about Marjorie Taylor Greene. She’s going to be our next attorney general.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Colin Wright

    I will take your word on that. Forgive me. I did then read and notice that a lot of her positions are right on.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  141. @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You are backwards in your first paragraph. It is the Republicans and alleged 'conservatives who demand that Middle Americans, especially Christian conservatives, give them their all while the Republicans and pressed 'conservatives' give only lip service to their voting base.

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups… They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

    You are backwards in your first paragraph. It is the Republicans and alleged ‘conservatives’ who demand that Middle Americans, especially Christian conservatives, give them their all while the Republicans and pressed ‘conservatives’ give only lip service to their voting base.

    This individual’s grades in modern history and political science are clearly as bad as those he earned in moral philosophy. (I say “he” guardedly.)

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?

    Some commenters are so consistently bad that they give off the scent of a troll. Just for the record, those pro-abortion state referenda that keep passing (and the pro-child ones that keep failing) see seven-digit donations by the likes of Michael Bloomberg and Marsha Zlatin Laufer.

    This may point to Loyalty’s true loyalty.

    • Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is always something MAJORLY wrong with anyone who poohs poohs abortion, because abortion is the child sacrifice of the Modernist rebirthing of Semitic Fertility Cult.

    I doubt that you are a combination of ignorant enough and stupid enough ton true think that anti-abortion votes have been given everything by Republicans and have given nothing (I assume meaning working hard to elect Republican candidates) back Republicans. That means I must assume you are knowingly polluting the waters.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Reg Cæsar, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

  142. @rebel yell
    We can't know who will win, but we do know what will happen after the victory.
    Trump wins - we will have riots, deep state machinations to keep him from being sworn in, lots of high drama. A world of fun watching left-wing mental breakdowns. And then Trump will take office and we'll have 4 years of frustration watching him accomplish as little as possible while he stands in front of the mirror admiring himself.
    Kamala wins - Triumphant denunciations of all things Trump. Trump, Musk and others end up in prison. Media propaganda on steroids declaring the new facist-free age has finally arrived. Trump voters will endure worse lies, insults and calumnies than ever and be forced into silence and abject submission in the workplace and public sphere. When Kamala takes office mass immigration increases by an order of magnitude. Congress and courts crack down on free speech. Caesar Augustus replaces the old Republic once and for all.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    We can’t know who will win, but we do know what will happen after the victory.
    Trump wins – we will have riots

    Trump just held a rally in a Madison Square Garden, and packed it to the rafters, and most people ignored the dog that didn’t bark: no riots or even major protests.

    The left isn’t energized now; elites are defecting; Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter and owns the social medium of record… this isn’t 2020.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Dave Pinsen

    If any billionaire doesn't line up and kiss the ring of whoever gives better tax cuts, he should be sued for malpractice. Isn't it their 'fiduciary duty'? Trump isn't even half coy about being generous with tax and other favors to the oligarchs.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think it is easy to get caught up in things, what with the "divine" bullet-dodge and whatnot. However, Trump had the enthusiasm and the momentum in 2020 too, but it wasn't enough. The Republicans squandered (on purpose?) the last four years, and all the structural problems that helped Biden are still in place. Plus, the abortion voters.

    I want to hope, but I suspect there will be a narrow Harris victory.

    People expecting a Trumpslide need to remember the 2022 Red Wave that never materialized.

    If Trump does win, I think there will be an internal battle within the administration between a "tech" faction that wants essentially progressive policies (immigration, strong government support of technological competition with China, continuing GAE entanglements) with non-woke governing norms (free speech, no court packing, less DEI and AA) and a "hard-core" faction that is mildly isolationist and protectionist. The "tech" faction will win out. Expect no one inside the White House to be for extreme measures like actually closing the border, deporting recent immigrants, or dismantling the DHS/DNI construct.

    But I suspect a narrow Harris victory followed by four more years of anonymous White House persons actually running the government while the media cover up Harris/Walz gaffs. Without charismatic leadership, it will be difficult for Dems to push through big changes in gun laws, court packing, etc. However, Reps will continue to bend over for the border.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Dave Pinsen

    Washington Post recommends abstention, but in the citizenship exam one of the questions is what is the most important right of citizenship? And the answer is voting.

    Doesn't matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @TrumpWon

    , @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    JFC, you’re a shill. The message at that venue alienates those whom Trump supposedly says is rallying behind his cause.

    “This is just a big punch in the gut for Republicans who have sincerely and over a period of time been working to grow strong relationships and roots in Puerto Rican communities, particularly here in the state of Florida,” said former Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.).

    Read the room.

    “The left isn’t energized now”

    Citations required.

    “Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter”

    Right, because elites like him want more tax breaks and less regulations. Of course he is going to run interference for him.

    I suspect that Trump wins only because the Supreme Court interferes. And if somehow Harris does emerge victorious, it’s not because of voter fraud. It’s because people are tired of Trump’s nonsense. Of course you and others are already penciling him in automatically—after all, he says he will win. And if he doesn’t, he goes back to his “massive voter fraud lie” that was exposed by Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani.

    Replies: @Curle, @Prester John, @Curle

  143. @Dave Pinsen
    @rebel yell


    We can’t know who will win, but we do know what will happen after the victory.
    Trump wins – we will have riots
     
    Trump just held a rally in a Madison Square Garden, and packed it to the rafters, and most people ignored the dog that didn’t bark: no riots or even major protests.

    The left isn’t energized now; elites are defecting; Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter and owns the social medium of record… this isn’t 2020.

    Replies: @epebble, @Chrisnonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @Corvinus

    If any billionaire doesn’t line up and kiss the ring of whoever gives better tax cuts, he should be sued for malpractice. Isn’t it their ‘fiduciary duty’? Trump isn’t even half coy about being generous with tax and other favors to the oligarchs.

  144. Earlier today I was looking at 2020 polls at 270ToWin, and comparing them to the actual election results.

    270ToWin had Biden winning nationally by 8%. He won by 4.4%. It had Biden winning Pennsylvania by 3.7%. He won it by 1.2%. It had Biden winning Michigan by 5.5%. He won by 2.8%.

    If the polls are off as much this year as they were in 2020 then Trump should win handily. Of course pollsters (you would think) try to adjust their methods to correct for their previous failures, but I doubt they really have. The Republicans are more motivated this year, and many Democrats are demoralized. Biden/Harris have spent the last 3.5 years royally screwing up the country, for no very good reason. Vast swaths of the country – and no small percentage of young people – have a sense of impending doom, and realize that the Democrats bear a fair share of the blame.

    Trump is crazy, but we’ve had him before and things went pretty OK (before he surrendered to the COVID insanity, anyway). Besides, we’re used to his crazy. But Kamala is just quite possibly the worst candidate either major party has ever nominated, and she is entirely not up to the task.

    Donald Trump wins. He sweeps the “blue wall.” He wins Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina. I predict Trump wins at least one of the states where polls show Harris with less than a double digit lead: Minnesota, New Hampshire, Virginia, Maine and/or New Mexico.

    Prediction: Trump with at least 312 electoral college votes, and a popular vote victory.

    • Agree: Mark G., Mark G.
  145. @epebble
    Polymarket

    https://polymarket.com/elections

    is quoting 65.5% for Trump win.

    It is also quoting 58% Harris popular vote win. 2016 redux?

    On the other hand, University of Florida Election lab has early vote data. They say:

    Early votes by party are 39.9% D, 36.3% R, 23.8% I, indicating better D enthusiasm? ground game?

    By gender: 54.2% F, 43.8% M, indicating more woman power, helping D?

    https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/

    Replies: @Pixo, @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Curle

    I predict that Trump will win, but if there’s a smidgen of doubt it’s a result of the fact that Democrats overperformed in the 2022 mid-terms and seem to have outperformed in most of the special elections I’ve read about.

    I don’t think that enthusiasm will carry over into this election, but it might.

    The bigger problem Republicans have, long-term, is that Democrats are well on their way to replacing the American voter with foreigners. In 2016 Trump won by less than 80,000 votes total in Michigan, Pennsylvania & Wisconsin. How many (overwhelmingly Democratic) immigrants have been naturalized since then? How many anchor babies have turned 18 since then?

  146. @epebble
    Polymarket

    https://polymarket.com/elections

    is quoting 65.5% for Trump win.

    It is also quoting 58% Harris popular vote win. 2016 redux?

    On the other hand, University of Florida Election lab has early vote data. They say:

    Early votes by party are 39.9% D, 36.3% R, 23.8% I, indicating better D enthusiasm? ground game?

    By gender: 54.2% F, 43.8% M, indicating more woman power, helping D?

    https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/

    Replies: @Pixo, @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Curle

    Early votes by party are 39.9% D, 36.3% R, 23.8% I, indicating better D enthusiasm? ground game? By gender: 54.2% F, 43.8% M, indicating more woman power, helping D?

    I would also add: the results you linked to show much stronger early voting turnout among both whites (65.7%) and older voters, with 80% of all early votes cast by people over 40. And Republicans lead for in-person voting with 40.3% compared to 31.4% for Democrats.

  147. @Anonymous
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    I understand you are crazy and not worth arguing with, but for anyone else wondering, Steve and Greg don't advocate either for sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    I’d be surprised if Mr. Sailer has stated any position on “sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns,” especially of late. But he was an armchair warballer in a blue and yellow jersey with Z’s name on the back for nearly a year after Russia’s invasion and a ninny during the dempanic, especially about the, at best, marginally effective vaccines therapeutic crapshots. If deployment or lockdown orders are issued, wouldn’t you predict iCrickets?

    Which quite apparently was Loyalty’s point — Mr. Sailer opposes the Establishment on practically nothing outside his HBD boys only tree fort. What’s “crazy” about noticing that?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Greta Handel

    "marginally effective vaccines"

    Older people over 60, including Steve, seemed to be more supportive of the vaccines and lockdowns during the Covid epidemic. For people in that age group, staying home and then getting vaccinated when vaccines became available was a good idea.

    I have always been skeptical of government solutions to problems because they often, for the sake of simplicity, take a one size fits all approach.

    In the case of Covid, there was a vast difference in how dangerous it was to a 20 year old versus a 70 year old. There was also a big difference between how dangerous it was to someone healthy versus someone unhealthy. I did not catch it for over a year and then did so after being in a serious accident that sent me to the hospital. Decisions on how to prevent or treat the disease should have been left to individuals, but instead they were made by government officials and based on maximizing big pharma profits.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Ralph L

    , @William Badwhite
    @Greta Handel


    a ninny during the dempanic, especially about the, at best, marginally effective vaccines therapeutic crapshots. If deployment or lockdown orders are issued, wouldn’t you predict iCrickets?
     
    The fact this post doesn't have 2-3 responses of 3,000 to 5,000 words by HA illustrates how much this Coronoa nonsense has been put to bed.
    , @anonymous
    @Greta Handel


    his HBD boys only tree fort
     
    Sailer never seems to have outgrown his 10-year-old "girls are icky" mentality. Lately, he seems to have gotten a wild hair up his ass about women who were in sororities in college. Maybe he put the moves on one at one of his speaking engagements and got shot down.
  148. @Guest29048
    @Greta Handel

    Disagree.


    Robert Kennedy Jr. says that Donald Trump is breaking tradition by privately funding his transition team and has already started it three months early.

    Kennedy began by talking about why he's chosen to trust Trump, saying, "I've talked to Donald Trump specifically about this, and I said, 'Look, the last time you were in there, you put John Bolton in charge of NSA, and Mike Pompeo in charge of the CIA... and he said, 'Here's the difference... when I got in last time, I had no idea how to govern, and I got surrounded by donors and corporate people who said you appoint this guy and appoint that guy... I appointed a lot of bad people.'

    He continued, "I was listening this morning to this extraordinary interview that Donald Trump did with Joe Rogan yesterday... and he said, 'This time I'm not gonna do that.' He told us that (too), and he didn't just promise that, but he did something no other president's done before. Normally, the transition team is not created until November 6th because GAO, the General Accounting Office, pays for all the cost of the transition team. Trump said, 'I'm not gonna do it this time. I'm not gonna do it their way. I'm gonna start my own transition team three months early.' And he got private donors to fund it, and he's appointed 20 people including me and Tulsi, and there's people of all different kinds of ideology and people who we're gonna have to go up against on that transition team and fight for our vision. But I can tell you this, which is unique: there are no corporate lobbyists on that transition team. And, usually, it's 100% corporate lobbyists. So it's very, very different, and it gives me lots of hope that this government is gonna be different than any government we've ever seen."
     

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    Smells like Ilana Mercer’s February 6, 2016, The Winning Trump Ticket & Cabinet (Part I). (Don’t waste your time looking for Part II.)

    SOS, microwaved.

  149. @Rahuthedotard
    Trump, by a comfortable margin in the Electoral College is the way to bet. I assume the polls showing a tight race in the swing states are more or less rigged to save down-ballot Democrats in the Senate and House by encouraging core Dem voters to vote. Personally, I'd like to see the Democrat Party punished for a generation for foisting manifestly unfit Biden (and then Harris) on the USA, but that's unlikely to say the least.

    Repubs will likely retain the House and get a 51-49 Senate, but whether they can pick up seats in swing states OH,WI and PA to buffer an unfavorable map in '26 and add enough seats in the House to get meaningful legislative reforms--Trump's "coattails"--that is a prop bet I'm not willing to risk my (nonexistent) prognosticator's reputation on.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Nicholas Stix

    After the election, the msm will announce that Harris has won, 306-232.

    If the democrats are really feeling cheeky, they’ll give the election to Harris, 538-0.

    Actual count: 306-232, Trump victorious.

    What do you expect? We live in a totalitarian country.

    • Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Nicholas Stix

    Its poetic name, if you will, is Oceania. Its most honest cognomen is WASP-Zionist Empire.

    , @Corvinus
    @Nicholas Stix

    “What do you expect? We live in a totalitarian country.”

    This is just straight up gaslighting in your part. The Bezos or Gates or the other American billionaires would be at full throat if this was the case.

  150. @Thomm
    This is what will happen :

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga35HL3a0AAE-4l?format=png&name=small

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @BB753, @Jon Halpenny, @indocon

    I expect Trump will win. The zionist lobby decided to throw its weight behind him after the events of October 7, 2023.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jon Halpenny


    I expect Trump will win. The zionist lobby decided to throw its weight behind him after the events of October 7, 2023.
     
    The mayor of Dearborn is a Zionist?



    https://www.middleeasteye.net/sites/default/files/styles/max_2600x2600/public/images-story/ghalib-trump.jpg?itok=MCybFXcy
  151. @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Roderick Spode

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Roderick Spode


    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/arthur/images/0/09/DW_S8E06.png/revision/latest?cb=20210618002045

     

    Whatever it was, it didn't come through.
  152. What ever happens, you won’t read the truth about it from the corporate media whores.
    Bezos spills the beans about WaPo:

    After “Colossal” Exodus Of Subscribers, WaPo Boss Bezos Explains “The Hard Truth” About Not Endorsing Kamala

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/colossal-mass-exodus-over-200000-wapo-subscriber-cancellations-after-bezos-blocks-harris

    It’s hard not to laugh.
    So I did.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  153. @Henry's Cat
    I'm hoping Harris wins. Will be comedy gold for Hitler Rants Parodies for the next four years:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsBViJborWE

    Replies: @Coemgen, @nokangaroos

    Oh … My … Gawd.
    Why do they even bother passing laws against deepfakes?

  154. @Dave Pinsen
    @rebel yell


    We can’t know who will win, but we do know what will happen after the victory.
    Trump wins – we will have riots
     
    Trump just held a rally in a Madison Square Garden, and packed it to the rafters, and most people ignored the dog that didn’t bark: no riots or even major protests.

    The left isn’t energized now; elites are defecting; Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter and owns the social medium of record… this isn’t 2020.

    Replies: @epebble, @Chrisnonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @Corvinus

    I think it is easy to get caught up in things, what with the “divine” bullet-dodge and whatnot. However, Trump had the enthusiasm and the momentum in 2020 too, but it wasn’t enough. The Republicans squandered (on purpose?) the last four years, and all the structural problems that helped Biden are still in place. Plus, the abortion voters.

    I want to hope, but I suspect there will be a narrow Harris victory.

    People expecting a Trumpslide need to remember the 2022 Red Wave that never materialized.

    If Trump does win, I think there will be an internal battle within the administration between a “tech” faction that wants essentially progressive policies (immigration, strong government support of technological competition with China, continuing GAE entanglements) with non-woke governing norms (free speech, no court packing, less DEI and AA) and a “hard-core” faction that is mildly isolationist and protectionist. The “tech” faction will win out. Expect no one inside the White House to be for extreme measures like actually closing the border, deporting recent immigrants, or dismantling the DHS/DNI construct.

    But I suspect a narrow Harris victory followed by four more years of anonymous White House persons actually running the government while the media cover up Harris/Walz gaffs. Without charismatic leadership, it will be difficult for Dems to push through big changes in gun laws, court packing, etc. However, Reps will continue to bend over for the border.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous


    However, Trump had the enthusiasm and the momentum in 2020 too, but it wasn’t enough.
     
    Trump was trailing Biden by 7.9% in the national polls and he was trailing in all the swing states on this date in 2020.

    https://twitter.com/farzyness/status/1851652506406809735?s=46&t=_KWVuhP3oxRCTCdNl94gBw

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  155. @epebble
    Polymarket

    https://polymarket.com/elections

    is quoting 65.5% for Trump win.

    It is also quoting 58% Harris popular vote win. 2016 redux?

    On the other hand, University of Florida Election lab has early vote data. They say:

    Early votes by party are 39.9% D, 36.3% R, 23.8% I, indicating better D enthusiasm? ground game?

    By gender: 54.2% F, 43.8% M, indicating more woman power, helping D?

    https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/

    Replies: @Pixo, @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Curle

    Ds tend to lead in the early vote and Rs come on strong at the end as has been mentioned. Also, party ID is least predictive in presidential races, or so I’m told.

  156. @Suburban Dad
    Very close but Harris wins.

    AZ - abortion in suburbs and Hispanics stick with Harris. She wins +2 or better.

    GA - blacks turn out strong for Harris but not enough enough abortion fans. Trump flips by +1.

    MI - blacks south of 8 mile and abortion north of 8 mile and the whole Arab abstention thing fizzles. Harris wins surprising easily, +2 at least.

    PA - Harris gets blacks in Pittsburgh and Philly, abortion fans on the suburbs, and Asians too. Not enough left for Trump. Harris +1, and that’s all she wrote.

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm

    You sound s if you really are silly enough to think any of this is legitimate, is fair, is not rigged. Anglo-Zionist Democracy is as much anti-realistic entertainment as is WWE.

  157. @Nicholas Stix
    @Rahuthedotard

    After the election, the msm will announce that Harris has won, 306-232.

    If the democrats are really feeling cheeky, they’ll give the election to Harris, 538-0.

    Actual count: 306-232, Trump victorious.

    What do you expect? We live in a totalitarian country.

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Corvinus

    Its poetic name, if you will, is Oceania. Its most honest cognomen is WASP-Zionist Empire.

  158. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kaiser Wilhelm



    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups... They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.
     
    You are backwards in your first paragraph. It is the Republicans and alleged ‘conservatives' who demand that Middle Americans, especially Christian conservatives, give them their all while the Republicans and pressed ‘conservatives’ give only lip service to their voting base.
     
    This individual's grades in modern history and political science are clearly as bad as those he earned in moral philosophy. (I say "he" guardedly.)

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?
     
    Some commenters are so consistently bad that they give off the scent of a troll. Just for the record, those pro-abortion state referenda that keep passing (and the pro-child ones that keep failing) see seven-digit donations by the likes of Michael Bloomberg and Marsha Zlatin Laufer.

    This may point to Loyalty's true loyalty.

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm

    There is always something MAJORLY wrong with anyone who poohs poohs abortion, because abortion is the child sacrifice of the Modernist rebirthing of Semitic Fertility Cult.

    I doubt that you are a combination of ignorant enough and stupid enough ton true think that anti-abortion votes have been given everything by Republicans and have given nothing (I assume meaning working hard to elect Republican candidates) back Republicans. That means I must assume you are knowingly polluting the waters.

    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Kaiser Wilhelm

    Like every anti-abortion zealot, you hold bizarre religious views. In fact, you are a nut. The funny thing about you guys is that you are singularly lacking in compassion. You beat your chest about loving embryos, but would bring an endless stream of deformed, retarded children into the world for the sole purpose of suffering. Because you think that's what Jesus wants? You think Jesus is a psycho sadist?

    This is beyond stupid. As I've pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). They happen all the time. No one has performed more abortions than God Almighty.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Mike Tre

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Kaiser Wilhelm

    Your second paragraph only makes sense if it is addressed to "Loyalty", not to me. In which case, it makes a lot of sense.

    , @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Kaiser Wilhelm

    Like every anti-abortion zealot, you hold bizarre religious views. In fact, you are a nut. The funny thing about you guys is that you are singularly lacking in compassion. You beat your chest about loving embryos, but would bring an endless stream of deformed, retarded children into the world for the sole purpose of suffering. Because you think that’s what Jesus wants? You think Jesus is a psycho sadist?

    This is beyond stupid. As I’ve pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). They happen all the time. No one has performed more abortions than God Almighty.

  159. @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Thomm

    Whether the fix is in, as it was in 2020, is debatable. This time, all but the retarded with real faith in sacred democracy know that the Anglo-Zionist Empire is itching for WW3. Especially the Israel part of the Anglo-Zionist empire.

    So the matter for the American Deep State Anglo-Zionists is: assuming that Israel is going to force total war on Iran and that Russia especially but also China must act in Iran's defense, who would be the better figurehead for the US during WW3: Trump or Harris?

    The Deep State may still be deciding that matter.

    We do not live in the country that George Washington assumed he was helping found. We live in that country that began selling its soul to global commerce, via its globalist traders the Yankee WASPs. Once they acquired domination over the whole of the nation, they began reforming it to mirror the British Empire, which led directly to it taking over for the British Empire.

    Thus America totally controlled by Yankee WASPs became the BOSS over globalist Anglo-Zionist Empire. And now we are seeing that Empire 's leaders determined to rule the entire globe. No exceptions. Oceania intends to defeat both Eurasia and Eastasia. And that requires the Anglo-Zionist Empire to totally defeat Iran. Why? Saudis have shown that they will whore to Anglo-Zionism any time the price is right, but Iranians have retained a basic sense of honor and decency. Plus, Russia needs Iran to stand against Anglo-Zionism and will back Iran for that purpose.

    So WW3 is planned now to start against Iran. They hoped to protect Israel with that whole Ukraine thing, but that aint working out at all. It seems that UKrainian Nazis have their own issues (like hating Poles and Jews about as much as they hate anybody) that make them less than ideal for Anglo-Zionism, plus Jews have so raped the Ukraine in so many ways that there is no actual Ukrainian spirit left to want to defend that fake country created by Anglo-Zionists to use as a weapon to attack Eurasia.

    So, who do the Neocons most want as President for WW3? Trump or Harris? Which will do their exact bidding the quickest and/or the most efficiently? Which can control the American population best when it starts readying to protest that war which will be a shit show of horror.

    Replies: @bomag

    I suppose you have some points here.

    But rooting for Russia and Iran is pretty bleak.

  160. Elsewhere it’s been suggested that Tim Walz can’t be gay because he had an affair with a Chinese woman.
    Convicted pederast / boy rapist Jerry Sandusky is married with six children.

  161. @JR Ewing
    Also, as long as we are on the election, here in Texas we are getting bombarded with ads for the senate race. Democrats hate Ted Cruz, and I totally understand why they do, even if I disagree with it, and they feel like they might be able to eke out a win against him. In fact, if this were not a presidential election and Trump weren't on the ballot, I would suspect that Ted Cruz was going to lose. But Trump has coattails, especially in Texas. It will be close.

    Nonetheless, I've been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned. I've been especially amazed at how stupid democrat voters in Texas must be because this Collin Allred guy is running abortion ads 24x7 against 'ol Ted and and they apparently must be effective because he keeps running them. The problem is, the Texas anti-abortion law that they keep railing against has nothing to do with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is a US Senator. Ted Cruz can't vote for Texas state abortion laws. But they keep running these ads and insinuating that he has something to do with state law. So dumb, but apparently effective.

    FWIW, I don't think I could live in a swing state and stay sane. The ads from just this one race are driving me crazy, I couldn't stand to have to hear the same dumb ads over and over for multiple races for months on end.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Anon7, @MM, @Jonathan Mason, @EdwardM

    For some reason when I watch TV connected to VPN in Dubai (to a server supposedly in Los Angeles), I get the Nevada ads. I have never lived in a swing state so don’t have a lot of history watching political ads, but they seem to be even more dishonest than usual. The Harris and Jackie Rosen (mostly anti-Sam Brown) ads are over the top, talking about how she’s the pro-freedom, tax-cutting candidate. It seems like an alternate universe.

    There are also an incredible number of ads for Measure 3, which feature patriotic non-black voters saying to vote for Measure 3 because it will implement open primaries. Measure 3 also actually implements ranked-choice voting, which none of the commercials mention.

    The only silver lining when Harris is declared the winner: she is the president that America deserves.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @EdwardM


    have never lived in a swing state so don’t have a lot of history watching political ads, but they seem to be even more dishonest than usual. The Harris and Jackie Rosen (mostly anti-Sam Brown) ads are over the top, talking about how she’s the pro-freedom, tax-cutting candidate. It seems like an alternate universe.
     
    Here in Florida we have some brown person running against Rick Scott, and every ad is how he's going to raise taxes and slash medicare and social security. Neither are remotely true.

    The only silver lining when Harris is declared the winner: she is the president that America deserves.
     
    But the 200mm or so Americans don't deserve it. The 100mm+ Paper Work Americans/Non Americans do deserve it.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  162. @Anonymous
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    I understand you are crazy and not worth arguing with, but for anyone else wondering, Steve and Greg don't advocate either for sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    American troops and the CIA have already been involved in Ukraine for years.

    Cochran hinted it would be a good idea if someone assassinated Putin. That would make things dramatically worse. He’s unhinged on the topic. Apparently, the kind of warball Cochran likes best is anything where a white country gets the stuffing beat out of it.

  163. @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is always something MAJORLY wrong with anyone who poohs poohs abortion, because abortion is the child sacrifice of the Modernist rebirthing of Semitic Fertility Cult.

    I doubt that you are a combination of ignorant enough and stupid enough ton true think that anti-abortion votes have been given everything by Republicans and have given nothing (I assume meaning working hard to elect Republican candidates) back Republicans. That means I must assume you are knowingly polluting the waters.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Reg Cæsar, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Like every anti-abortion zealot, you hold bizarre religious views. In fact, you are a nut. The funny thing about you guys is that you are singularly lacking in compassion. You beat your chest about loving embryos, but would bring an endless stream of deformed, retarded children into the world for the sole purpose of suffering. Because you think that’s what Jesus wants? You think Jesus is a psycho sadist?

    This is beyond stupid. As I’ve pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). They happen all the time. No one has performed more abortions than God Almighty.

    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You made a great point but it has been sitting in moderation for going on two days.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    "This is beyond stupid. As I’ve pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). "

    I am typically in agreement with your worldview, but this statement resembles the same quick-definition-change antics leftists like to engage in.

    An abortion is a deliberate act, whereas a spontaneous miscarriage is not (the result of a deliberate act). Your former points stand without resorting to the redefining of terms.

    I hope that you at least recognize that abortion on demand is one of the strategies used in the reduction/replacement of European descended people.

    And I am not an absolutist, so please leave that brush in the paint can.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

  164. @Prester John
    @anonymous

    I am assuming there will be voter fraud next week. After all, voter fraud dates back at least to the Age of Pericles so...nothing new under the sun. It's different now, though, because with modern technology the evidence can be hidden. For this reason, I pick Harris to win a close election. A pity.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    There has always been election fraud since Barabbas vs Jesus for Judah’s Man of the Year.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jonathan Mason

    Inclined to toss out an LOL here.

    Need to keep in mind the quantitative aspect. You can have Danish levels of fraud; you can have Banana Republic levels of fraud.

  165. @Ralph L
    @SafeNow

    If there's a doctor in an Agatha Christie story, he's the killer.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Not necessarily. It can be a judge.

  166. @Dave Pinsen
    @rebel yell


    We can’t know who will win, but we do know what will happen after the victory.
    Trump wins – we will have riots
     
    Trump just held a rally in a Madison Square Garden, and packed it to the rafters, and most people ignored the dog that didn’t bark: no riots or even major protests.

    The left isn’t energized now; elites are defecting; Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter and owns the social medium of record… this isn’t 2020.

    Replies: @epebble, @Chrisnonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @Corvinus

    Washington Post recommends abstention, but in the citizenship exam one of the questions is what is the most important right of citizenship? And the answer is voting.

    Doesn’t matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Jonathan Mason


    Doesn’t matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.
     
    You see that sentiment thrown around a lot every other fall, and it is pure bullshit. Pure bullshit spread by the party that benefits from votes being cast for ephemeral and vapid reasons.. so that party does its best to make its appeal as ephemeral and vapid as it can be.

    Personally, I'd love for people to vote. I want everyone to vote. But I want them to vote for the right candidate for the right reason. And if they aren't motivated enough to do that, they should stay the fuck home and shut the fuck up.

    Replies: @TrumpWon

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jonathan Mason

    "in the citizenship exam one of the questions is what is the most important right of citizenship? And the answer is voting. Doesn’t matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway."

    Meh, that's just one cherry-picked bureaucrat's sentimental opinion. There are lots of important rights, though strictly speaking most of those enumerated are God-given, not "of citizenship" so there's that.

    Still, your "doesn't matter who you vote for, just vote anyway" metric has some potential for comedy gold...

    -- Doesn't matter what you speak about, just keep talking

    -- Doesn't matter who you shoot at, just shoot at someone

    -- Doesn't matter whether you did anything or not, just get a speedy trial

    Whoops I guess that last one is out the window, after 1/6. Funny how nobody ever grilled Kamala the Criminal Lawyer about any of that... So, guess what you can look forward to, when she "wins".

    , @TrumpWon
    @Jonathan Mason

    That's the biggest problem with immigration. What are we doing, trying to "naturalize" foreigners anyway? Why do we need to ever do this? We already have plenty of citizens. If people come and want to work and live, and behave themselves, and pay taxes thats fine, they can get a Work Visa or maybe under very rare circumstances, Permanent Residency, but that should NEVER involve citizenship. They should not get that and nor should any kids they have.

    Replies: @Sick n' Tired

  167. @Jonathan Mason
    @Dave Pinsen

    Washington Post recommends abstention, but in the citizenship exam one of the questions is what is the most important right of citizenship? And the answer is voting.

    Doesn't matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @TrumpWon

    Doesn’t matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.

    You see that sentiment thrown around a lot every other fall, and it is pure bullshit. Pure bullshit spread by the party that benefits from votes being cast for ephemeral and vapid reasons.. so that party does its best to make its appeal as ephemeral and vapid as it can be.

    Personally, I’d love for people to vote. I want everyone to vote. But I want them to vote for the right candidate for the right reason. And if they aren’t motivated enough to do that, they should stay the fuck home and shut the fuck up.

    • Replies: @TrumpWon
    @JR Ewing

    Everyone? Illegals? Foreigners who can't even be bothered to learn English? Fuck that- why should they vote?

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  168. @Greta Handel
    @Anonymous

    I’d be surprised if Mr. Sailer has stated any position on “sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns,” especially of late. But he was an armchair warballer in a blue and yellow jersey with Z’s name on the back for nearly a year after Russia’s invasion and a ninny during the dempanic, especially about the, at best, marginally effective vaccines therapeutic crapshots. If deployment or lockdown orders are issued, wouldn’t you predict iCrickets?

    Which quite apparently was Loyalty’s point — Mr. Sailer opposes the Establishment on practically nothing outside his HBD boys only tree fort. What’s “crazy” about noticing that?

    Replies: @Mark G., @William Badwhite, @anonymous

    “marginally effective vaccines”

    Older people over 60, including Steve, seemed to be more supportive of the vaccines and lockdowns during the Covid epidemic. For people in that age group, staying home and then getting vaccinated when vaccines became available was a good idea.

    I have always been skeptical of government solutions to problems because they often, for the sake of simplicity, take a one size fits all approach.

    In the case of Covid, there was a vast difference in how dangerous it was to a 20 year old versus a 70 year old. There was also a big difference between how dangerous it was to someone healthy versus someone unhealthy. I did not catch it for over a year and then did so after being in a serious accident that sent me to the hospital. Decisions on how to prevent or treat the disease should have been left to individuals, but instead they were made by government officials and based on maximizing big pharma profits.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Mark G.

    You seem to have lost track of an important strikethrough.

    The point is that

    1) the COVID shots were and are “vaccines” only under a conveniently revised regulatory definition

    2) as was finally acknowledged after a shitstorm of duplicitous propaganda and coercion, the rushed products were never even tested for efficacy WRT to transmission/infection as opposed to symptomatic amelioration

    3) even at that, people were fearpharmed by “95% effective” blah blah because they failed to understand the distinction between relative and absolute statistics

    Commenters like Kratoklastes were calling it out all along. But Mr. Sailer not only fell for it, he helped the Establishment put it over on millions of trusting, tyrannized people. His default mode is actually quite the opposite of his cultivated reputation.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @vinteuil, @Mr. Anon

    , @Ralph L
    @Mark G.

    I believe they originally thought the vax would stop or slow transmission. When it turned out it didn't, they were unwilling to admit yet another error. Panicking the youngish, non-obese, and healthy was criminal regardless.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

  169. Harris will win a close election. Then she will let so many immigrants in that the U.S will turn into California…a one party state where Democrats win every election for the rest of time.

    Hope I’m wrong.

  170. @epebble
    @Pixo

    The smaller D - R difference doesn't interest me as much as the huge F - M difference.

    Right now, it is showing 10.1% difference (about 1.15 million votes in just 6 states) at about 25% of expected votes (running 47.5 million now). If this scales to the whole electorate, Harris will have a blowout win. If that happens, one can almost certainly conclude that Roe overturn killed Trump.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The smaller D – R difference doesn’t interest me as much as the huge F – M difference.

    If this scales to the whole electorate, Harris will have a blowout win. If that happens, one can almost certainly conclude that Roe overturn killed Trump.

    Let’s unpack your logic:

    a) Women are reduceable to their cunts uteri
    b) They believe this themselves
    c) They vote accordingly
    d) Nothing motivates them more

    The F-M difference in the D direction hatched and grew during the decades when Roe was an impregnable fortress. (Women had been slightly more R than men before that.) Something else was responsible for the shift.

    Like 50 years of the corruption of our young women.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Reg Cæsar

    I am not proposing any new logic here. Just observing that an election with such a huge disparity in F - M tends to go to D. If, on November 4th, the F - M remains 10% or above, it will be a Chicxulub event in American politics on November 6th. I won't be able to imagine what politics will look like after that since it breaks a quarter century of "stuck in neutral" dynamic. The monster truck will shift to Drive or Reverse, but Neutral it won't be.

  171. @Mark G.
    @Greta Handel

    "marginally effective vaccines"

    Older people over 60, including Steve, seemed to be more supportive of the vaccines and lockdowns during the Covid epidemic. For people in that age group, staying home and then getting vaccinated when vaccines became available was a good idea.

    I have always been skeptical of government solutions to problems because they often, for the sake of simplicity, take a one size fits all approach.

    In the case of Covid, there was a vast difference in how dangerous it was to a 20 year old versus a 70 year old. There was also a big difference between how dangerous it was to someone healthy versus someone unhealthy. I did not catch it for over a year and then did so after being in a serious accident that sent me to the hospital. Decisions on how to prevent or treat the disease should have been left to individuals, but instead they were made by government officials and based on maximizing big pharma profits.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Ralph L

    You seem to have lost track of an important strikethrough.

    The point is that

    1) the COVID shots were and are “vaccines” only under a conveniently revised regulatory definition

    2) as was finally acknowledged after a shitstorm of duplicitous propaganda and coercion, the rushed products were never even tested for efficacy WRT to transmission/infection as opposed to symptomatic amelioration

    3) even at that, people were fearpharmed by “95% effective” blah blah because they failed to understand the distinction between relative and absolute statistics

    Commenters like Kratoklastes were calling it out all along. But Mr. Sailer not only fell for it, he helped the Establishment put it over on millions of trusting, tyrannized people. His default mode is actually quite the opposite of his cultivated reputation.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Greta Handel

    In fairness, SS wasn't all that bad about Covid. For example, I remember him posting several times about how the mainstream media used deceptive photos to exaggerate how closely beach goers out his way were congregating seaside.

    That said, yeah - he pretty much missed the boat there.

    , @vinteuil
    @Greta Handel

    Oh, and, yeah - when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Greta Handel


    The point is that

    1) the COVID shots were and are “vaccines” only under a conveniently revised regulatory definition
     
    They changed the definition of what a vaccine is intended to do (merely lessen symptoms or reduce transmission, rather than provide complete immunity). However, the COVID shots clearly are vaccines - they operate by the mechanism that vaccines operate by: stimulating your immune system to produce anti-bodies against a pathogen.

    The real point is that the government has no legitimate right to force you to take one (I know about that one Supreme Court decision - f**k that supreme court decision). The real point is that pharmaceutical companies have been vaccine-izing their product line, i.e. turning more and more to the production of vaccines over medicines, because they have zero-liability (zero! nada! zilch!) for vaccines.
  172. @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is always something MAJORLY wrong with anyone who poohs poohs abortion, because abortion is the child sacrifice of the Modernist rebirthing of Semitic Fertility Cult.

    I doubt that you are a combination of ignorant enough and stupid enough ton true think that anti-abortion votes have been given everything by Republicans and have given nothing (I assume meaning working hard to elect Republican candidates) back Republicans. That means I must assume you are knowingly polluting the waters.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Reg Cæsar, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Your second paragraph only makes sense if it is addressed to “Loyalty”, not to me. In which case, it makes a lot of sense.

  173. Strong economy, crime is down, Harris wins handily.

    Riots by conservatives are put down after much hand wringing.

    County moves forward into a new golden age.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    @Tiny Duck

    "County moves forward into a new golden age. "

    Your "New Way Forward" will leave your "County" going over the edge of a cliff.

  174. @Jon Halpenny
    @Thomm

    I expect Trump will win. The zionist lobby decided to throw its weight behind him after the events of October 7, 2023.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I expect Trump will win. The zionist lobby decided to throw its weight behind him after the events of October 7, 2023.

    The mayor of Dearborn is a Zionist?

  175. @Altai5
    It looks like Kamala ran a terrible campaign, which, I wouldn't blame her for. She had no good options, either she goes along with Israel's meltdown or she opposes it, either way for her it's a no-win scenario. Biden has obliterated his entire memory into the year he stood like King Théoden with Tony Blinken as Wormtongue by his side as he lied constantly and pretended to be trying to end this war as he and Blinken simultaneously stood over doing everything to help intensify it. He will forever be "Genocide Joe". He may be remembered even worse than that if Israel decides to roll the dice on this regional war. They'll never be a better time or opening for them to try. And that's remembering how Ukraine was going to be what we all associate him with before.

    In fact if I were the Democrats I'd be hoping for a Trump win Zionists and anti-Zionists alike. Trump was generally very hard on rhetorical support for Israel but weak on actually doing much in terms of fighting wars for them, it was all very much kabuki shadow boxing with Syria and Iran. (Though does anyone else remember how the media campaign against Trump suddenly stopped when he launched cruise missiles at Syria? Fareed Zakaria said "Tonight he truly became president", that all fell away when it turns out he had them aim for empty desert and told the Syrians beforehand. It was all a negotiating tactic when meeting with Xi) That's why the neocons lost their minds about him and ultimately was able to shift into a war with Russia. It was all about his comments on a war with Syria. Of course, ethnic animosity towards his being against inviting the world as much as invading was there too.

    However, it seems like Trump won't be able to resist a war with Iran given how much he is boxing himself in with his rhetoric and how many on the right are too. He may yet surprise and certainly if he ends the war in Ukraine the logic of the regional war itself becomes compromised. Though even if it ended tomorrow Russia would take time to recover (And it has lost some key ships that were instrumental in deterring another Iraq with Syria last time) so maybe not. Indeed, maybe no longer having to support the Ukrainian army will only free up more weapon supplies to fight this war with Iran and or Syria. You may get a temporary halt to the flow at the border now for weaker political ability to fight it after he leaves the scene.

    So if you're the Dems and stuck having to have the president completely bend over for the Israel lobby and fighting this insane war and become complicit in mass ethnic cleansing, then better for it to be Trump and force and association between this astounding madness and immigration restriction and help discredit populists and anti-immigration politics generally. That assumes Trump's bite will match his bark for Israel which is an open question. Trump does have the ability to make big decisions and I do not think he would enjoy fighting Iran for Israel. He could take a lesson from Putin and take Jewish oligarch money for an election and turn around and betray them. It's not like they can do anything more to him.

    The Biden admin was a crazed counter-revolution and went full-tilt naked invade the world, invite the world. It has helped to discredit these ideas very much. There only hope is to discredit the alternatives through marrying themselves to a crazed war of mass ethnic cleansing for Israel. Creating a link between the two in the public consciousness. Even if everyone who came up with these ideas was harassed for being against wars for Israel as much as mass migration. But after the "goy bye" who can tell?

    One thing is for sure, the 4 year long coup campaign, particularly played out by the media brought the legitimacy of the US electoral system into total disrepute through "Russiagate" (Which has also led to the Ukraine war and byproxy Israel's current omni-war in the Middle East through the tying down of the Russian military and attention in Ukraine) for half the population with Trump's victory in 2020; Trump's loss in 2024 after the same campaign did so for the other half. Who can you trust to tell you what's happening, what's a weird pattern and that everything was legitimate or legitimate enough? That's a problem.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk2.2, @Supply and Demand

    I’m a Democrat.
    I’m anti-Zionist.
    I’m anti-white.

    I’m voting for Kamala because she makes whites poorer. Simple as.

  176. @Jonathan Mason
    @Dave Pinsen

    Washington Post recommends abstention, but in the citizenship exam one of the questions is what is the most important right of citizenship? And the answer is voting.

    Doesn't matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @TrumpWon

    “in the citizenship exam one of the questions is what is the most important right of citizenship? And the answer is voting. Doesn’t matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.”

    Meh, that’s just one cherry-picked bureaucrat’s sentimental opinion. There are lots of important rights, though strictly speaking most of those enumerated are God-given, not “of citizenship” so there’s that.

    Still, your “doesn’t matter who you vote for, just vote anyway” metric has some potential for comedy gold…

    — Doesn’t matter what you speak about, just keep talking

    — Doesn’t matter who you shoot at, just shoot at someone

    — Doesn’t matter whether you did anything or not, just get a speedy trial

    Whoops I guess that last one is out the window, after 1/6. Funny how nobody ever grilled Kamala the Criminal Lawyer about any of that… So, guess what you can look forward to, when she “wins”.

  177. @ScarletNumber
    @Colin Wright

    A small but not insignificant portion of the Democrats are bothered that Kamala was anointed the nominee without having to work through either the primary process or at least an open convention. I think Walz was her best choice for VP but he doesn't have the intellectual horsepower to keep up with Vance, not that I'm sure it matters.

    Unless yesterday's MSG rally ends up backfiring on Trump, I think he will win the electoral college and by extension the presidency.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @William H Bonnie

    I don’t think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn’t going to hurt anything. I saw a clip of a guy stating the number one search on google after the rally was, garbage in Puerto Rico. ( Paraphrased here, don’t recall the exact key words)

    Trump did what he does best, trolled them into calling themselves out. People all over Tik Tok and X are talking about the landfill problems and the crooked government on our fine little island.

    I don’t buy Trump not knowing before hand what the comedian was going to say. With that I’ve seen the guys show a few times and from what I hear it’s a very popular show with Z aged men. Who knows man I could be way off base, but every time I think Trump screwed up he proves me wrong.

    At this point I want him to win just so we can watch these insane clowns melt down , it’s gonna make 2020 look like a a hippie sit in. Interesting times indeed.

    • Replies: @CalCooledge
    @William H Bonnie

    East coast media don't know this, but there isn't automatic solidarity among Spanish speakers. Mexicans and Central Americans probably think the PR joke was hilarious.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @TrumpWon
    @William H Bonnie

    Honestly I thought the joke was super weak even if the crowd had been in a mood to laugh (his pacing was all off, so they didn't think it was a comedy show. Comics don't talk that slowly). But if you're going to do Third World jokes, you gotta go a little harder than that. He just didn't put much work or thought into this joke. There's so much he could have done - like taken a shot at AOC and her tia's shack that the roof blew off, or literally anything else about the place, like the fact that it has disability claims rates that are higher than every single US state.

    Comics have made better jokes about PR statehood for example - He just didn't take advantage of any of the news cycle or a specific political adversary.

    Consequently, the crowd didn't laugh because they weren't even sure what the point was; is it that PR is full of garbage? Is it that the people are trash? Nobody knows. Maybe the former is worth a laugh, but you need a setup for it so it isn't confused with the latter....because nobody is gonna laugh if you're just like "There was poopy TP in the trash can at Walmart .....Hahah, Messicans, amirite?"

    , @epebble
    @William H Bonnie

    Even though he said it as joke, I read it as Latinos tend to litter more than others. He also suggested they don't use contraceptives and hence cause faster browning of America. Somehow, that did not become controversial. I think both were good in subliminally suggesting need to reduce illegal immigration.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @ScarletNumber
    @William H Bonnie

    Biden tried to play a Reverse UNO card by referring to the garbage of the Trump supporters which is being interpreted as him as him calling Trump supporters garbage. Much like Hillary calling them deplorables, this will backfire.

    A part of me thinks that Biden wouldn't be terribly upset if Kamala lost, if only because he feels deep down that he was thrown overboard by Nancy Pelosi et al.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @William H Bonnie


    I don’t think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn’t going to hurt anything.
     
    I agree. Given that Trump and his supporters were already sieg-hileing up a storm and making stiff-armed Nazi salutes (at least according to what Rachel Maddow told me) I don't see how an offhand joke about PR could hurt.

    The fact is, it was a funny joke, not hugely hilarious, but funny. I laughed a little when I heard it. And how is it different than any other joke that Hinchcliffe could have told? He, or any equivalent comedian at a Democratic Party event, could make a similar joke about New Jersey or - certainly - Mississippi or Tennessee, and nobody would have batted an eye.

    Do Puerto Ricans have really good lawyers? They still won't show the infamous "Puerto Rico Day" episode from Seinfeld on TV. Are people still afraid of them because they shot up some government buildings back in the 40s/50s?
  178. @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You are backwards in your first paragraph. It is the Republicans and alleged 'conservatives who demand that Middle Americans, especially Christian conservatives, give them their all while the Republicans and pressed 'conservatives' give only lip service to their voting base.

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So are you a Jew or a Judaizing WASP or just another money-loving post-Christian?

    You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about “WASPs”.

    Are we to infer that you are some sort of bitter swarthy ‘wog’ with no money?

  179. Faux pas? Trump goes to Green Bay with Brett Favre? Who decamped to the expansion team and division rival next door? My Cheesehead mother-in-law at the time: “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!”

    But this would be a blip, a speed bump for Trump. The other side topped (or bottomed) that almost immediately:

    Fourth Quarter, You Say? Harris Campaign Posts ANOTHER Sports L With Doug Emhoff-Doc Rivers Ad

    What with Doc Rivers and the masturbation ad in Michigan, these people really identify with chokers!

    By the way, was that guy under the covers engaging in “internal poling”?

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  180. Harris is going to crush him like the repulsive creature from the blackest hell he is.

  181. @Reg Cæsar
    @epebble


    The smaller D – R difference doesn’t interest me as much as the huge F – M difference.

    If this scales to the whole electorate, Harris will have a blowout win. If that happens, one can almost certainly conclude that Roe overturn killed Trump.
     
    Let's unpack your logic:

    a) Women are reduceable to their cunts uteri
    b) They believe this themselves
    c) They vote accordingly
    d) Nothing motivates them more
     
    The F-M difference in the D direction hatched and grew during the decades when Roe was an impregnable fortress. (Women had been slightly more R than men before that.) Something else was responsible for the shift.

    Like 50 years of the corruption of our young women.

    Replies: @epebble

    I am not proposing any new logic here. Just observing that an election with such a huge disparity in F – M tends to go to D. If, on November 4th, the F – M remains 10% or above, it will be a Chicxulub event in American politics on November 6th. I won’t be able to imagine what politics will look like after that since it breaks a quarter century of “stuck in neutral” dynamic. The monster truck will shift to Drive or Reverse, but Neutral it won’t be.

  182. @Anon7
    @JR Ewing

    "Nonetheless, I’ve been continually amazed at how effective the abortion platform has been for democrats since Roe was overturned."

    Putting justices on the SCOTUS that overturned Roe was the greatest gift one party gave to the other in the past thirty years. (Before that, maybe it was Reagan turning California blue by legalizing all the illegals.)

    You'll notice that Democrats have done little to fix the "problem" of legalizing abortion; that's how effective the issue really is. Along with promising free stuff ("I'll get rid of your college debt!" - Joe Biden, 2020), this totally got the Democrat vote out and won the 2020 election as well as the 2022 midterm.

    As for who wins the current election, I just don't think that the people who exert control at the national level will let Donald Trump anywhere near the White House. The Dems have been working like crazy to get out the "I'd never get off my couch to stand in line at a polling place" welfare crowd to fill in a paper ballot and mail it; they've been doing the same with students on every DEI campus (which is all of them).

    I don't think the Dems will need to cheat to win, but they probably will anyway, and mail-in balloting is ideal for them. After all, if you were alive in Germany in 1933, would you break rules to deny Hitler the election victories he needed? Of course you would, and there are tens of millions of Americans who absolutely believe that Trump is Hitler. You may not think so, but I know lots of these people and they really believe it.

    So, Harris wins in November, and you'll hear her insane cackling laugh for the next eight years, as she brings in twenty million illegals, placing them in every small town in every red state in America. Regardless of the topic, she's laughing at you, on behalf of the people who are succeeding in destroying western civilization.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    So, Harris wins in November, and you’ll hear her insane cackling laugh for the next eight years, as she brings in twenty million illegals, placing them in every small town in every red state in America. Regardless of the topic, she’s laughing at you, on behalf of the people who are succeeding in destroying western civilization.

    Good take Anon7, except if she wins, I’m quite skeptical of the “eight years”.

    Harris embodies pretty the core traits of the Parasite Party–whiny “i’m oppressed” minoritarianism, parasitism, silly anti-empirical ideology, utter vapidity and toxic femininity.

    That’s the one upside to Harris. Yeah, the Parasite Party may still be funded and run in large part by smarter Jewish guys. But Harris nicely embodies what the party *is*. And I think this is going to turn off a lot of normal people–especially men–who still had blinders on.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @AnotherDad

    One lesson learned during the George W. Bush presidency is that nobody minds if the president hardly ever holds press conferences and if when he does speak, he reads from teleprompters. They'll do the same with Harris, sequestering her in the White House except for smiling and waving Kamala walking to helicopters, walking off planes, giving canned speeches to adoring audiences.

    She's a symbol, she allows white Americans who have been indoctrinated with self-hatred and shame about racism to expiate their guilt. She can bring old white boomer dad Walz in for an occasional whipping, opening one cultural center after another in America's heartland. Why not eight years? This stuff writes itself.

    I really wish the blinders would come off, as you say, but if it hasn't happened by now, I fear what would be required to make it happen. Actual armed takeovers of medium-sized towns by Haitian gangs, open warfare between the Arabs in Dearborn, MI and the Jews in Oakland county, the dollar no longer the reserve currency of world trade (BRICS is already bigger than G7 by GDP) and everybody calls in their markers which puts an end to the money-printing that makes social security and medicare possible.

    But in the meantime, life in our nation's capital goes on as usual, which I think is the point of the exercise.

  183. @Bragadocious
    @Mark G.


    The Covid lockdowns and the money printing to offset the negative economic effects of the lockdowns ended up having a worse economic effect than imagined by leading to high inflation and a lower standard of living

     

    Nah, inflation was under control in Jan. 2021. The problem was Biden-Harris' "net zero" carbon policy and the shutting down of oil and gas leases on federal lands. That was the first body blow. The second came after the Ukraine war and the sanctions on Russia, which sent the price of energy soaring. That was the killer blow. Biden spinned it as "Putin's price hike" but Putin had nothing to do with it. It was Biden, always.

    Speaking of Covid, I believe Trump is leaving money on the table by not hammering Biden-Harris six ways to Sunday on their vax mandates and vicious demonization of vaccine refuseniks.

    Replies: @Corn

    Nah, inflation was under control in Jan. 2021. The problem was Biden-Harris’ “net zero” carbon policy and the shutting down of oil and gas leases on federal lands. That was the first body blow. The second came after the Ukraine war and the sanctions on Russia, which sent the price of energy soaring. That was the killer blow. Biden spinned it as “Putin’s price hike” but Putin had nothing to do with it. It was Biden, always.

    I don’t want to be an autist harping on this but I’ve brought this up multiple times to other people. Democrats try to blame gas prices on the Ukraine invasion or other Russian machinations, but I remember otherwise.

    Biden took office. Within days he killed that XL Pipeline deal with Canada. Gas went up almost immediately and kept going up for 1 1/2 -2 years.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Corn


    Biden took office. Within days he killed that XL Pipeline deal with Canada. Gas went up almost immediately and kept going up for 1 1/2 -2 years.
     
    Don't disagree.

    On a broader level, I remember Biden took office in January and issued a bunch of executive orders and basically repealed a lot of things and reversed many Trump policies for no other apparent reason than spite, regardless of the effect such action might have had.

    "Keystone pipeline? Fuck that shit. Close it down."

    "Closed border? Fuck that shit. Open it up."

    "You don't like masks? Too bad, Fuck that shit. Everyone has to wear a mask now."

    "Teaching kids about the Constitution? Fuck that racist shit. Close it down."

    "Reform the census? Fuck that racist shit. Close it down and go back to how it was."

    And many more. Day one and several days after.

    It really felt like triumphalism and heel-grinding at the time that was less based on policy and more about sticking a finger in the eyes of the deplorables. The Keystone XL especially, since construction was well underway and the policy benefits were very tangible.

  184. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

    The GOP has already lost seats it should have won because of the issue.

    But I understand Jesus is building them an extra big mansion in heaven right now.

    Replies: @Anon, @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

    For the record, this–as Kaiser was poking at–is ahistorical.

    The usual quick and dirty of the modern Republican party in the 6th party system was that it was a triad of
    — national security hawks
    — fiscal (or at least “lower taxes!”) conservatives
    — and social conservatives.
    The social conservatives provided the most votes, but the Republicans actual program in office–especially Reagan on–was heavy defense spending (against the Soviets and then for the neocon’s wars) and marginal tax rate cuts, but essentially nothing for the social conservatives.

    Normie/traditionalist angst–worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life–was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual “pro-family” policy was–still is–essentially non-existent.

    • Agree: Pop Warner, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @AnotherDad


    Normie/traditionalist angst–worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life–was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual “pro-family” policy was–still is–essentially non-existent.
     
    Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is *the* biggest issue facing the West - more important than balancing the budget and more important, even, than immigration (though reducing immigration would probably help boost native fertility rates). If we don’t reverse the decline in birthrates then nothing else matters.

    Replies: @Mark G., @AnotherDad

    , @James B. Shearer
    @AnotherDad

    "... but essentially nothing for the social conservatives."

    They got some conservatives on the Supreme Court. But there is only so much that matters. The anti-abortion people are now free to pass extreme anti-abortion laws. But it turns out such laws are also extremely unpopular even in most red states. The anti-abortion people are in denial about this. Advocating for laws opposed by 80% or 90% of the population is just political suicide. At least if they might actually go into effect because the courts will no longer throw them out.

    , @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @AnotherDad

    You are right about the point you are making, in the sense you are making it.

    I am more talking about the political activists. According to GOP operators I've heard from, the anti-abortion crowd was always uncompromising in demanding what they wanted (zero abortions ever) but not willing to work with others in a realistic manner.

    I would say most of the actual voters were going to vote GOP anyway. Most of voters are not that zealous about abortion and put economic and national security above.

    It's been noted that when the Establishment GOP started talking to the white working class (i.e. Reagan Democrats), they had no idea how to approach them. So instead they used Moral Majority types as a proxy. As in, "you preacher boys know these people, we will buy you off and you tell your people to vote GOP". Which is kinda what the Dems did with Black preachers.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  185. @AnotherDad
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

     
    For the record, this--as Kaiser was poking at--is ahistorical.

    The usual quick and dirty of the modern Republican party in the 6th party system was that it was a triad of
    -- national security hawks
    -- fiscal (or at least "lower taxes!") conservatives
    -- and social conservatives.
    The social conservatives provided the most votes, but the Republicans actual program in office--especially Reagan on--was heavy defense spending (against the Soviets and then for the neocon's wars) and marginal tax rate cuts, but essentially nothing for the social conservatives.

    Normie/traditionalist angst--worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life--was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual "pro-family" policy was--still is--essentially non-existent.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @James B. Shearer, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Normie/traditionalist angst–worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life–was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual “pro-family” policy was–still is–essentially non-existent.

    Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is *the* biggest issue facing the West – more important than balancing the budget and more important, even, than immigration (though reducing immigration would probably help boost native fertility rates). If we don’t reverse the decline in birthrates then nothing else matters.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Wilkey

    "Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is the biggest issue facing the west."

    This also seems to be a problem for high IQ NE Asian countries. In all these countries women have decided getting jobs and living a materialistic lifestyle while engaging in recreational sex rather than getting married and taking care of children is their preferred way of life.

    Marriage rates did not start to decline until after the sixties. There are still people alive now who personally observed an era where marriage and having children was the norm. This is not something where we need to figure out what to do. We can just look at what worked in the past. The hard part is getting there since the women who like the way things are now are also voters who will try to block any return to the past.

    Men are going to have to show that they are not going to go along with the current status quo. You can see them now forming into a voting bloc. Personally, I do not like seeing males joining into a political coalition with each other. While I often find women frustrating to deal with, it is hard to really hate them. It is primarily men, though, who keep our advanced technological society running smoothly and that is not really appreciated by a lot of women now.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is *the* biggest issue facing the West – more important than balancing the budget and more important, even, than immigration (though reducing immigration would probably help boost native fertility rates). If we don’t reverse the decline in birthrates then nothing else matters.
     
    Wilkey, I'm usually 100% on board with your comments, but disagree here. Fertility is in 2nd place--actually way behind--immigration.

    Yeah, in some sort of very linear mathematical sense, obviously birth rates must turn around or we die out. But that's simply not going to happen. We already know how to raise birthrates. Your Mormon brothers and sisters are doing it. Kaganovitch's Orthodox Jews are really doing it. The Amish are really doing it. (Hey, where's the iSteve Amish commenter anyway?) Nations that want to win will embark on an AnotherDad style eugenic fertility enhancement program. But even if we do not, we have sub-populations with above replacement TFR. Making babies isn't that hard. People will not die out.

    As I've said the way to think about this is "modernity is an environmental shock", and we are now selecting for people who reproduce under modern conditions. There will be a "breeder recovery". And as populations decline, the resources and opportunities get better and better. People will not die out.

    Immigration is wildly different. It is like dumping pepper into the salt. It's simply not salt anymore. Entropy has increased and it would take a whole lot of energy--applied quite unpleasantly--to get back to your bowl of salt.

    I've offered the example of Japan. It is in outright population decline. But if it does not succumb to the siren call--"immigration, immigration, must have immigration!"--of the immigration loons, it will slump down ... and then recover. Reg sent on link a few months back of a couple Japanese towns that had decided to make themselves fertility friendly and now had solidly above replacement TFR. Maybe they'll only be 60 million, or 40 million or 20 million Japanese, but they'll still have their nation.


    No there are going to be people around--around right here in America ... and Canada, Australia, Europe, the West. The question is "who will those people be?"

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  186. @AnotherDad
    @Anon7


    So, Harris wins in November, and you’ll hear her insane cackling laugh for the next eight years, as she brings in twenty million illegals, placing them in every small town in every red state in America. Regardless of the topic, she’s laughing at you, on behalf of the people who are succeeding in destroying western civilization.
     
    Good take Anon7, except if she wins, I'm quite skeptical of the "eight years".

    Harris embodies pretty the core traits of the Parasite Party--whiny "i'm oppressed" minoritarianism, parasitism, silly anti-empirical ideology, utter vapidity and toxic femininity.

    That's the one upside to Harris. Yeah, the Parasite Party may still be funded and run in large part by smarter Jewish guys. But Harris nicely embodies what the party *is*. And I think this is going to turn off a lot of normal people--especially men--who still had blinders on.

    Replies: @Anon7

    One lesson learned during the George W. Bush presidency is that nobody minds if the president hardly ever holds press conferences and if when he does speak, he reads from teleprompters. They’ll do the same with Harris, sequestering her in the White House except for smiling and waving Kamala walking to helicopters, walking off planes, giving canned speeches to adoring audiences.

    She’s a symbol, she allows white Americans who have been indoctrinated with self-hatred and shame about racism to expiate their guilt. She can bring old white boomer dad Walz in for an occasional whipping, opening one cultural center after another in America’s heartland. Why not eight years? This stuff writes itself.

    I really wish the blinders would come off, as you say, but if it hasn’t happened by now, I fear what would be required to make it happen. Actual armed takeovers of medium-sized towns by Haitian gangs, open warfare between the Arabs in Dearborn, MI and the Jews in Oakland county, the dollar no longer the reserve currency of world trade (BRICS is already bigger than G7 by GDP) and everybody calls in their markers which puts an end to the money-printing that makes social security and medicare possible.

    But in the meantime, life in our nation’s capital goes on as usual, which I think is the point of the exercise.

  187. @anonymous
    @newrouter

    If you look at the chart of 2020 election suspicious and presumptively invalid ballots in key states - image below - it is notable that the numbers of such ballots are many multiples of the margin by which 'Biden won'.

    Keeping in mind that 2020 vote fraud evidence was never fully adjudicated by any court, the courts merely dismissing to try the case based on various technicalities of standing of parties, jurisdiction etc ... the typical USA court stitch up where there is no actual trial of evidence -

    With the vote fraud framework still largely in place, and these 2020 numbers, it seems possible we are indeed being prepared for another rug pull of 'late ballots' handing the win to Kamala ... some suspecting that the USA system controllers are openly seeking to incite some MAGA violence, which would be the pretence for dropping the oppression hammer and going full-on with left wing tyranny to counter right-wing 'terrorism'

    Notably, Nate Silver has recently flipped to predicting a Kamala Harris win, so now both of the USA top prediction guys, Silver and Allan Lichtman (both Jewish, for those who like to know such things), now say it's Kamala, against the Trump 'momentum'

    https://files.catbox.moe/7892o3.jpg

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Prester John, @Thirdtwin

    “…it is notable that the numbers of such ballots are many multiples of the margin by which ‘Biden won’…”

    Are we to gather from this that the large majority of the fraud was caught and discounted before or during the counting, but the overwhelming volume of fraudulent voting was enough to swamp the systems with attrition and eventually push Biden over the top?

  188. @Wilkey
    @AnotherDad


    Normie/traditionalist angst–worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life–was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual “pro-family” policy was–still is–essentially non-existent.
     
    Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is *the* biggest issue facing the West - more important than balancing the budget and more important, even, than immigration (though reducing immigration would probably help boost native fertility rates). If we don’t reverse the decline in birthrates then nothing else matters.

    Replies: @Mark G., @AnotherDad

    “Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is the biggest issue facing the west.”

    This also seems to be a problem for high IQ NE Asian countries. In all these countries women have decided getting jobs and living a materialistic lifestyle while engaging in recreational sex rather than getting married and taking care of children is their preferred way of life.

    Marriage rates did not start to decline until after the sixties. There are still people alive now who personally observed an era where marriage and having children was the norm. This is not something where we need to figure out what to do. We can just look at what worked in the past. The hard part is getting there since the women who like the way things are now are also voters who will try to block any return to the past.

    Men are going to have to show that they are not going to go along with the current status quo. You can see them now forming into a voting bloc. Personally, I do not like seeing males joining into a political coalition with each other. While I often find women frustrating to deal with, it is hard to really hate them. It is primarily men, though, who keep our advanced technological society running smoothly and that is not really appreciated by a lot of women now.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mark G.


    There are still people alive now who personally observed an era where marriage and having children was the norm.
     
    And that was among blacks!

    https://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Black-Women-Historical-Marriage-1890-to-2010.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @epebble

  189. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Two election scenarios...

    A) Trump wins: Good, exactly as we planned. Nothing happens, except for mass staged riots with zero prosecutions. Virtual direct rule by Hawaiian Federal Judge, zero deportations, more Clown World, no end to immigration -- in fact, ramped-up immigration. Plus the world's biggest lightning rod squatting in the headlines 24/7 to distract everyone from our ongoing destruction and looting of the country. Fresh MAGA goyim for our endless wars, because let's be serious, who fights a war with a gay illiterate transgender Army of Color? (Unless it's against Americans themselves: stay tuned for 2028.)

    Children of late-night talk-show writers finally get to see their fathers, who come home from work early every day because they don't have to write any jokes, just keep saying TRUMP IS A DUMB RACIST MEANIE HITLER forty different ways.

    B) Harris "wins": Good, exactly as we planned. Destruction and looting of America continues on a new, epic schedule. Policy DIE becomes literal DIE!, for real. Anti-fascist Harris "defeats" fake fascist Trump, institutes new reign of actual fascism: Joyful Fascism, But of Color. First Term: Trillion-dollar reparations bill signed, only whites have to pay -- courts "find" a way to exempt Jews and "New Americans". Second term: Mass housing seizures and open White chattel slavery (with a clever acronym to mask it) when it becomes apparent most whites don't have the $$ to pay their first-term reparations bill.

    Late-night talk-show comedy writers are all out of work, because you're not allowed to write any jokes about the biggest clown to ever sit in the Oval Office; their now-broke families forced to send the kids to public school to get beaten up by Diversity, and thus a whole new generation of true comedy writers is born.

    Replies: @TrumpWon

    Scenario B would just launch a race war where we kill all the coloreds we see. That’s fine. Nasty work, but that’s what it means.

  190. @Linus
    It's like everyone forgot (or is in denial) of the fact that the 2020 election was stolen. The republicans did nothing to fix things - indeed, the fraudulent nature of the American election system has been normalized (e.g., early election, mail-in ballots, billionaire $$$, etc). Everyone is just playing along.

    There is one reason, and only one reason, to assume that Trump will win - the jews have picked him as their candidate.

    Replies: @Anon

    There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump’s behavior.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Anon


    'There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump’s behavior.'

     

    There's ample proof, but more important is the way the bulk of the media functions as an arm of the Democratic Party and the 'progressive' agenda in general, and the way Jews are simultaneously so powerful and so biased in favor of a series of extremely pernicious ideas.

    These are actually the most serious obstacles we face, and until it is admitted, I'm skeptical we'll get anywhere.

    Replies: @Corn, @Corvinus, @Curle

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    There is zero proof it was stolen.
     
    There is plenty of evidence that it was corrupt. And still is. There is funny stuff going down in the Quaker State at the moment. (Boy, is that epithet ever obsolete!)

    Democrats themselves assert fundamental, even internationally universal practices such as demanding ID and requiring citizenship to be "supression"-- the precise opposite of their position on guns. (Illinois should require its own FOID in order to vote.) It's an undemocratic, twisted twist on Blackstone-- better to let ten unqualified provisional ballots through than to deny a single qualified one. The after-midnight "blue shift" is a grey area by its very nature.





    Charles King won in Liberia in 1927 with over 1,400% of the registered voters. Can anybody say he wouldn't have won anyway, in a fair election? Would that make it legitimate?

    "Zero proof that it was stolen" is only an admission that any rigging was superfluous, not that it didn't take place. This is still Richard Daley's party after all, not Eugene McCarthy's. Te one which overturned one of the clearest election results ever, 1972's.
    , @Precious
    @Anon

    https://twitter.com/BehizyTweets/status/1728130486088663052

  191. @William H Bonnie
    @ScarletNumber

    I don't think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn't going to hurt anything. I saw a clip of a guy stating the number one search on google after the rally was, garbage in Puerto Rico. ( Paraphrased here, don't recall the exact key words)

    Trump did what he does best, trolled them into calling themselves out. People all over Tik Tok and X are talking about the landfill problems and the crooked government on our fine little island.

    I don't buy Trump not knowing before hand what the comedian was going to say. With that I've seen the guys show a few times and from what I hear it's a very popular show with Z aged men. Who knows man I could be way off base, but every time I think Trump screwed up he proves me wrong.

    At this point I want him to win just so we can watch these insane clowns melt down , it's gonna make 2020 look like a a hippie sit in. Interesting times indeed.

    Replies: @CalCooledge, @TrumpWon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber, @Mr. Anon

    East coast media don’t know this, but there isn’t automatic solidarity among Spanish speakers. Mexicans and Central Americans probably think the PR joke was hilarious.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @CalCooledge


    East coast media don’t know this, but there isn’t automatic solidarity among Spanish speakers. Mexicans and Central Americans probably think the PR joke was hilarious.
     
    Puerto Ricans apparently got and enjoyed the joke as well. Their "shadow senator" endorsed Trump shortly thereafter.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  192. @Anon
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    There's a saying in military strategy: "no plan survives contact with the enemy."

    The pro-lifers after Dobbs v Jackson had no plan to deal with the backlash they caused.

    Replies: @Pop Warner

    Oh, they had a plan, not for the backlash but for their own pet project, and they were open about it: complete abortion ban in all cases. They wasted no time pushing this through every sympathetic state, but when it went to referendum even conservative voters rejected the measures. This was to counter the Democrat position of fully legal abortion up until birth (and a little after), a position most people find abhorrent. For the sane majority who would be fine with legal abortion through the 1st trimester and exceptions for extraordinary cases, there are no options.
    Your only choices are shooting poison in a babys head as it’s born or infinity blacks. Thanks democracy!

    • Agree: Mark G.
  193. @Dan Smith
    Trump. Not even close. Then we get four years of peaceful protests.

    Replies: @Joe Joe

    truly peaceful protests like the Pink Pussy Hat march or “mostly peaceful protests” like St George of Floyd???

  194. @Nicholas Stix
    @Rahuthedotard

    After the election, the msm will announce that Harris has won, 306-232.

    If the democrats are really feeling cheeky, they’ll give the election to Harris, 538-0.

    Actual count: 306-232, Trump victorious.

    What do you expect? We live in a totalitarian country.

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Corvinus

    “What do you expect? We live in a totalitarian country.”

    This is just straight up gaslighting in your part. The Bezos or Gates or the other American billionaires would be at full throat if this was the case.

    • Troll: deep anonymous
  195. @Dave Pinsen
    @rebel yell


    We can’t know who will win, but we do know what will happen after the victory.
    Trump wins – we will have riots
     
    Trump just held a rally in a Madison Square Garden, and packed it to the rafters, and most people ignored the dog that didn’t bark: no riots or even major protests.

    The left isn’t energized now; elites are defecting; Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter and owns the social medium of record… this isn’t 2020.

    Replies: @epebble, @Chrisnonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @Corvinus

    JFC, you’re a shill. The message at that venue alienates those whom Trump supposedly says is rallying behind his cause.

    “This is just a big punch in the gut for Republicans who have sincerely and over a period of time been working to grow strong relationships and roots in Puerto Rican communities, particularly here in the state of Florida,” said former Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.).

    Read the room.

    “The left isn’t energized now”

    Citations required.

    “Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter”

    Right, because elites like him want more tax breaks and less regulations. Of course he is going to run interference for him.

    I suspect that Trump wins only because the Supreme Court interferes. And if somehow Harris does emerge victorious, it’s not because of voter fraud. It’s because people are tired of Trump’s nonsense. Of course you and others are already penciling him in automatically—after all, he says he will win. And if he doesn’t, he goes back to his “massive voter fraud lie” that was exposed by Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani.

    • Troll: deep anonymous
    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    I suspect that Trump wins only because the [American people] . . . interfere.
     
    Fixed it for you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Prester John
    @Corvinus

    "It’s because people are tired of Trump’s nonsense."

    Indeed. However nearly 50 percent of "the people" evidently beg to differ, notwithstanding the usual Trump humbug. What does that tell you about this thing of ours?

    , @Curle
    @Corvinus

    “The left isn’t energized now”
    Citations required.”

    You could, of course, start paying attention. Early voting is thought to be a good indicator of comparative party enthusiasm and it is generally reliable because in many states voters are registered by party and can be tracked by GOTV operations which then provide this info to pollsters. Early and vote frequency vary greatly by ethnic and class voting blocks and are thought to indicate enthusiasm. At present, key D voting blocks are not voting as early as in past elections, especially when compared to Obama as the baseline and late voting correlates to lower turnout. R voter blocks are voting earlier compared to their own baselines. These are great signs for Rs and horrible for Ds. Another key sign? Congressional and senate Ds have been told they are no longer at risk of losing party money if they distance themselves from the top of the ticket which some are doing.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  196. @Greta Handel
    @Anonymous

    I’d be surprised if Mr. Sailer has stated any position on “sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns,” especially of late. But he was an armchair warballer in a blue and yellow jersey with Z’s name on the back for nearly a year after Russia’s invasion and a ninny during the dempanic, especially about the, at best, marginally effective vaccines therapeutic crapshots. If deployment or lockdown orders are issued, wouldn’t you predict iCrickets?

    Which quite apparently was Loyalty’s point — Mr. Sailer opposes the Establishment on practically nothing outside his HBD boys only tree fort. What’s “crazy” about noticing that?

    Replies: @Mark G., @William Badwhite, @anonymous

    a ninny during the dempanic, especially about the, at best, marginally effective vaccines therapeutic crapshots. If deployment or lockdown orders are issued, wouldn’t you predict iCrickets?

    The fact this post doesn’t have 2-3 responses of 3,000 to 5,000 words by HA illustrates how much this Coronoa nonsense has been put to bed.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • LOL: deep anonymous
  197. @EdwardM
    @JR Ewing

    For some reason when I watch TV connected to VPN in Dubai (to a server supposedly in Los Angeles), I get the Nevada ads. I have never lived in a swing state so don't have a lot of history watching political ads, but they seem to be even more dishonest than usual. The Harris and Jackie Rosen (mostly anti-Sam Brown) ads are over the top, talking about how she's the pro-freedom, tax-cutting candidate. It seems like an alternate universe.

    There are also an incredible number of ads for Measure 3, which feature patriotic non-black voters saying to vote for Measure 3 because it will implement open primaries. Measure 3 also actually implements ranked-choice voting, which none of the commercials mention.

    The only silver lining when Harris is declared the winner: she is the president that America deserves.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    have never lived in a swing state so don’t have a lot of history watching political ads, but they seem to be even more dishonest than usual. The Harris and Jackie Rosen (mostly anti-Sam Brown) ads are over the top, talking about how she’s the pro-freedom, tax-cutting candidate. It seems like an alternate universe.

    Here in Florida we have some brown person running against Rick Scott, and every ad is how he’s going to raise taxes and slash medicare and social security. Neither are remotely true.

    The only silver lining when Harris is declared the winner: she is the president that America deserves.

    But the 200mm or so Americans don’t deserve it. The 100mm+ Paper Work Americans/Non Americans do deserve it.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @William Badwhite

    “But the 200mm or so Americans don’t deserve it. The 100mm+ Paper Work Americans/Non Americans do deserve it.”

    No, doesn’t work that way. But if you insist, by your own metric, it’s hypocritical on your part given that your own ancestors were paper work Americans.

  198. @Greta Handel
    @Mark G.

    You seem to have lost track of an important strikethrough.

    The point is that

    1) the COVID shots were and are “vaccines” only under a conveniently revised regulatory definition

    2) as was finally acknowledged after a shitstorm of duplicitous propaganda and coercion, the rushed products were never even tested for efficacy WRT to transmission/infection as opposed to symptomatic amelioration

    3) even at that, people were fearpharmed by “95% effective” blah blah because they failed to understand the distinction between relative and absolute statistics

    Commenters like Kratoklastes were calling it out all along. But Mr. Sailer not only fell for it, he helped the Establishment put it over on millions of trusting, tyrannized people. His default mode is actually quite the opposite of his cultivated reputation.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @vinteuil, @Mr. Anon

    In fairness, SS wasn’t all that bad about Covid. For example, I remember him posting several times about how the mainstream media used deceptive photos to exaggerate how closely beach goers out his way were congregating seaside.

    That said, yeah – he pretty much missed the boat there.

  199. @Jonathan Mason
    @Dave Pinsen

    Washington Post recommends abstention, but in the citizenship exam one of the questions is what is the most important right of citizenship? And the answer is voting.

    Doesn't matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @TrumpWon

    That’s the biggest problem with immigration. What are we doing, trying to “naturalize” foreigners anyway? Why do we need to ever do this? We already have plenty of citizens. If people come and want to work and live, and behave themselves, and pay taxes thats fine, they can get a Work Visa or maybe under very rare circumstances, Permanent Residency, but that should NEVER involve citizenship. They should not get that and nor should any kids they have.

    • Replies: @Sick n' Tired
    @TrumpWon

    We should not be paying to house, feed, transport, financially support, or provide free medical care for any foreigner who wants to live here either. They should either provide a skill or service that will be a benefit to us all, not be an immediate drain of resources and services.

    Let all these bleeding hearts who champion for open borders sponsor as many illegals as they can feed and house on their own dime, instead of virtue signaling with our tax dollars. Also make it a stipulation, that if any of the illegals these water heads sponsor commit a crime, the sponsor serves the sentence with them. See how quickly the flood at the border dries up.

  200. @Greta Handel
    @Mark G.

    You seem to have lost track of an important strikethrough.

    The point is that

    1) the COVID shots were and are “vaccines” only under a conveniently revised regulatory definition

    2) as was finally acknowledged after a shitstorm of duplicitous propaganda and coercion, the rushed products were never even tested for efficacy WRT to transmission/infection as opposed to symptomatic amelioration

    3) even at that, people were fearpharmed by “95% effective” blah blah because they failed to understand the distinction between relative and absolute statistics

    Commenters like Kratoklastes were calling it out all along. But Mr. Sailer not only fell for it, he helped the Establishment put it over on millions of trusting, tyrannized people. His default mode is actually quite the opposite of his cultivated reputation.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @vinteuil, @Mr. Anon

    Oh, and, yeah – when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @vinteuil

    “Oh, and, yeah – when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?”

    Nope. Nor should there be. Ukraine is fighting for its life to be free as a white nation.

    I would imagine, though, the alarm bells are sounding off in your head, as Russia and North Korea joining forces in Ukraine.

    Looks like MAGA’s Kremlin friends are allied with Communists. I thought that’s a big no no. So when will Trump denounce Putin?


    “For example, I remember him posting several times about how the mainstream media used deceptive photos to exaggerate how closely beach goers out his way were congregating seaside”

    Yeah, he was trying too hard then.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/fake-photos/#comment-3874082

    , @John Johnson
    @vinteuil

    Oh, and, yeah – when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Outside of Unz it is normal to support Ukraine. The UN voted 143-5 that Russia's invasion was unjust and that the land belongs to Ukraine.

    Are you that offended by Steve disagreeing with you? Does that keep you up at night?

    Also do explain this obsession with Nuland. Let's hear a rational explanation of how a mid level government administrator changed the Ukrainian government even though the pro-Russian president was removed by Ukrainian parliament and was disavowed as a criminal by his own party. Did she make Yukanovich take millions in bribes? Did she use her magic Jew powers to make him loot his own mansion and flee to Russia? His former mansion is now a public museum of corruption. Tourists can view the lavish spending such as a $35k light fixture that cost more than his annual salary.

    Or maybe a better idea would be to find a pro-Putin website like MOA where they will censor the full story in favor of "Putin the victim of US Jews" which as a narrative completely falls apart in an open forum. It holds up about as well as young earth creationism or liberal race denial.

    Go ahead, dazzle us with a rational explanation. The other Putin lovers would be thrilled as they have been unable to explain it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @vinteuil

    , @AnotherDad
    @vinteuil


    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.
     
    Uh ... maybe Steve opposed the policy of the neocons--unnecessary war.

    And now Steve opposes the policy of Putin--unnecessary war.

    Occam's razor: Steve's just not a big fan of war?

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mike Tre, @vinteuil

  201. @Colin Wright
    @Buzz Mohawk


    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don’t even know who she is.

    I wouldn’t have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There’s your answer.
     
    Don't talk shit about Marjorie Taylor Greene. She's going to be our next attorney general.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I will take your word on that. Forgive me. I did then read and notice that a lot of her positions are right on.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I will take your word on that. Forgive me. I did then read and notice that a lot of her positions are right on.
     
    Yeah, she's a bit like a blunderbuss. A hell of a lot of shot goes off in unfortunate directions -- but at least at close range, she's pretty effective.

    ...and that grin! She could make a fortune endorsing toothpaste.

    I want her in the cabinet. It will definitely be turning over a new leaf...until J.D.Vance finally can't take it any more and clubs her to death with a chair. Regardless. Good times.
  202. @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk


    No matter who you vote for, the future is going to be a scary place, but you can pretend that this election will make a difference.
     
    Sadly, what was Enoch-Powell level of realism and a firm repudiation of minoritarianism 60+ years ago when these worms started pushing it.

    By now the fabric of what was America is pretty worm eaten as witness by the fact that this vapid, anti-white whore has even a chance of winning the Presidency and certainly will get 45%+ of the national vote even in a "best case" scenario.


    Even if Trump wins--as he should--our slumping-toward-Brazil future looks grim. This really does look like "the Chinese Century". They too have their issues--they have to crack the fertility issue--and a parasitic elite. But what they do not have is an establishment in thrall to this minoritarian/immigrationist idiocy, utterly dominant in our feminized media and elite institutions.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Houston 1992

    Thank you, Dad, for recognizing my “Enoch-Powell level of realism.” Though not as great as that man, I cannot help but feel that I now share his feelings — about my own homeland.

    You get it, at least as far as the immigration (the invasion, invited and facilitated from within!)

    I value your comments.

  203. @William H Bonnie
    @ScarletNumber

    I don't think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn't going to hurt anything. I saw a clip of a guy stating the number one search on google after the rally was, garbage in Puerto Rico. ( Paraphrased here, don't recall the exact key words)

    Trump did what he does best, trolled them into calling themselves out. People all over Tik Tok and X are talking about the landfill problems and the crooked government on our fine little island.

    I don't buy Trump not knowing before hand what the comedian was going to say. With that I've seen the guys show a few times and from what I hear it's a very popular show with Z aged men. Who knows man I could be way off base, but every time I think Trump screwed up he proves me wrong.

    At this point I want him to win just so we can watch these insane clowns melt down , it's gonna make 2020 look like a a hippie sit in. Interesting times indeed.

    Replies: @CalCooledge, @TrumpWon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber, @Mr. Anon

    Honestly I thought the joke was super weak even if the crowd had been in a mood to laugh (his pacing was all off, so they didn’t think it was a comedy show. Comics don’t talk that slowly). But if you’re going to do Third World jokes, you gotta go a little harder than that. He just didn’t put much work or thought into this joke. There’s so much he could have done – like taken a shot at AOC and her tia’s shack that the roof blew off, or literally anything else about the place, like the fact that it has disability claims rates that are higher than every single US state.

    Comics have made better jokes about PR statehood for example – He just didn’t take advantage of any of the news cycle or a specific political adversary.

    Consequently, the crowd didn’t laugh because they weren’t even sure what the point was; is it that PR is full of garbage? Is it that the people are trash? Nobody knows. Maybe the former is worth a laugh, but you need a setup for it so it isn’t confused with the latter….because nobody is gonna laugh if you’re just like “There was poopy TP in the trash can at Walmart …..Hahah, Messicans, amirite?”

  204. @Corn
    @Jonathan Mason


    Or is it simply not true that people cannot afford to have children, and they just say this because they would prefer to have cats to children?
     
    I think that’s very often the case

    Replies: @TrumpWon, @MB

    Only illegals can afford to have kids. Everyone else has to file a tax return. Illegals don’t, because their kids are the ones getting all the benefits. The kids have no earned income but collect enough bennies for the entire family (Section 8, SNAP/EBT, direct cash assistance, Free Obamacare, etc) And then in CA the state showers them with money that citizens can’t get, plus free tuition at any UC. Try getting any of that crap with a valid Social Security number. You have to fill out FAFSA.

  205. @JR Ewing
    @Jonathan Mason


    Doesn’t matter who you vote for, but just vote anyway.
     
    You see that sentiment thrown around a lot every other fall, and it is pure bullshit. Pure bullshit spread by the party that benefits from votes being cast for ephemeral and vapid reasons.. so that party does its best to make its appeal as ephemeral and vapid as it can be.

    Personally, I'd love for people to vote. I want everyone to vote. But I want them to vote for the right candidate for the right reason. And if they aren't motivated enough to do that, they should stay the fuck home and shut the fuck up.

    Replies: @TrumpWon

    Everyone? Illegals? Foreigners who can’t even be bothered to learn English? Fuck that- why should they vote?

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @TrumpWon


    Everyone?
     
    Everyone who can legally vote. Sloppy language on my part.
  206. @Mark G.
    @Wilkey

    "Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is the biggest issue facing the west."

    This also seems to be a problem for high IQ NE Asian countries. In all these countries women have decided getting jobs and living a materialistic lifestyle while engaging in recreational sex rather than getting married and taking care of children is their preferred way of life.

    Marriage rates did not start to decline until after the sixties. There are still people alive now who personally observed an era where marriage and having children was the norm. This is not something where we need to figure out what to do. We can just look at what worked in the past. The hard part is getting there since the women who like the way things are now are also voters who will try to block any return to the past.

    Men are going to have to show that they are not going to go along with the current status quo. You can see them now forming into a voting bloc. Personally, I do not like seeing males joining into a political coalition with each other. While I often find women frustrating to deal with, it is hard to really hate them. It is primarily men, though, who keep our advanced technological society running smoothly and that is not really appreciated by a lot of women now.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There are still people alive now who personally observed an era where marriage and having children was the norm.

    And that was among blacks!

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    It was a based black woman who stopped that demon-possessed crazy white bitch who was yelling at that baby. Blacks have a lot of problems but white women are decadent and not even trying to be right.

    , @epebble
    @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting. So, throughout the first half of 20th century, as many White women were unmarried (above 35 years) as now? How were they living? depending on father, brothers, strangers? It seems unlikely that many of them would be in unmarried relationship with a man. Maybe they had jobs that allowed spinster lifestyle. Still, an aspect of recent history that I don't know much about. Thanks.

    Replies: @deep anonymous

  207. I don’t know how the election will turn out, but however it does, things are going to get worse.

  208. @vinteuil
    @Greta Handel

    Oh, and, yeah - when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    “Oh, and, yeah – when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?”

    Nope. Nor should there be. Ukraine is fighting for its life to be free as a white nation.

    I would imagine, though, the alarm bells are sounding off in your head, as Russia and North Korea joining forces in Ukraine.

    Looks like MAGA’s Kremlin friends are allied with Communists. I thought that’s a big no no. So when will Trump denounce Putin?

    “For example, I remember him posting several times about how the mainstream media used deceptive photos to exaggerate how closely beach goers out his way were congregating seaside”

    Yeah, he was trying too hard then.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/fake-photos/#comment-3874082

  209. @William Badwhite
    @EdwardM


    have never lived in a swing state so don’t have a lot of history watching political ads, but they seem to be even more dishonest than usual. The Harris and Jackie Rosen (mostly anti-Sam Brown) ads are over the top, talking about how she’s the pro-freedom, tax-cutting candidate. It seems like an alternate universe.
     
    Here in Florida we have some brown person running against Rick Scott, and every ad is how he's going to raise taxes and slash medicare and social security. Neither are remotely true.

    The only silver lining when Harris is declared the winner: she is the president that America deserves.
     
    But the 200mm or so Americans don't deserve it. The 100mm+ Paper Work Americans/Non Americans do deserve it.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “But the 200mm or so Americans don’t deserve it. The 100mm+ Paper Work Americans/Non Americans do deserve it.”

    No, doesn’t work that way. But if you insist, by your own metric, it’s hypocritical on your part given that your own ancestors were paper work Americans.

  210. @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk


    No matter who you vote for, the future is going to be a scary place, but you can pretend that this election will make a difference.
     
    Sadly, what was Enoch-Powell level of realism and a firm repudiation of minoritarianism 60+ years ago when these worms started pushing it.

    By now the fabric of what was America is pretty worm eaten as witness by the fact that this vapid, anti-white whore has even a chance of winning the Presidency and certainly will get 45%+ of the national vote even in a "best case" scenario.


    Even if Trump wins--as he should--our slumping-toward-Brazil future looks grim. This really does look like "the Chinese Century". They too have their issues--they have to crack the fertility issue--and a parasitic elite. But what they do not have is an establishment in thrall to this minoritarian/immigrationist idiocy, utterly dominant in our feminized media and elite institutions.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Houston 1992

    As China races ahead of the USA , the. That may burst the bubbles that our elites reside in , and perhaps then they will , if only of necessity , become more realistic

    • Replies: @Sick n' Tired
    @Houston 1992

    Our elites know where things are headed and have their bug out plans in place. Buying super yachts, and building bunkers in isolated, resource rich (fresh water/good climate) islands like Hawaii & New Zealand, as well as compounds in Patagonia, which are all difficult for the unwashed masses to travel to when it's time to put their heads on a pike.

  211. @anonymous
    TRUMP WINS, but dem mischief makes counytry almost ungvernable. hence, in 2026, he resigns for health reasons, having crushed (and hastened ynto death) joe biden and driven stake through heart of Kamala. that sets up '28, Newsome v. Vance. no women, no blacks even NEAR horizon, for many years.

    Replies: @Curle

    Newsome

    Our first dyslexic president.

  212. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mark G.


    There are still people alive now who personally observed an era where marriage and having children was the norm.
     
    And that was among blacks!

    https://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Black-Women-Historical-Marriage-1890-to-2010.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @epebble

    It was a based black woman who stopped that demon-possessed crazy white bitch who was yelling at that baby. Blacks have a lot of problems but white women are decadent and not even trying to be right.

  213. @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    JFC, you’re a shill. The message at that venue alienates those whom Trump supposedly says is rallying behind his cause.

    “This is just a big punch in the gut for Republicans who have sincerely and over a period of time been working to grow strong relationships and roots in Puerto Rican communities, particularly here in the state of Florida,” said former Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.).

    Read the room.

    “The left isn’t energized now”

    Citations required.

    “Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter”

    Right, because elites like him want more tax breaks and less regulations. Of course he is going to run interference for him.

    I suspect that Trump wins only because the Supreme Court interferes. And if somehow Harris does emerge victorious, it’s not because of voter fraud. It’s because people are tired of Trump’s nonsense. Of course you and others are already penciling him in automatically—after all, he says he will win. And if he doesn’t, he goes back to his “massive voter fraud lie” that was exposed by Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani.

    Replies: @Curle, @Prester John, @Curle

    I suspect that Trump wins only because the [American people] . . . interfere.

    Fixed it for you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    You didn’t fix anything. Remember, Trump says he will win. No matter what. In a landslide. He already has his lawyers and minions ready to gin up the massive voter lie again. Powell and Giuliani lost their careers over it. You and others avoid addressing this fact.

    Replies: @Curle

  214. @AnotherDad
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

     
    For the record, this--as Kaiser was poking at--is ahistorical.

    The usual quick and dirty of the modern Republican party in the 6th party system was that it was a triad of
    -- national security hawks
    -- fiscal (or at least "lower taxes!") conservatives
    -- and social conservatives.
    The social conservatives provided the most votes, but the Republicans actual program in office--especially Reagan on--was heavy defense spending (against the Soviets and then for the neocon's wars) and marginal tax rate cuts, but essentially nothing for the social conservatives.

    Normie/traditionalist angst--worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life--was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual "pro-family" policy was--still is--essentially non-existent.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @James B. Shearer, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    “… but essentially nothing for the social conservatives.”

    They got some conservatives on the Supreme Court. But there is only so much that matters. The anti-abortion people are now free to pass extreme anti-abortion laws. But it turns out such laws are also extremely unpopular even in most red states. The anti-abortion people are in denial about this. Advocating for laws opposed by 80% or 90% of the population is just political suicide. At least if they might actually go into effect because the courts will no longer throw them out.

  215. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    I suspect that Trump wins only because the [American people] . . . interfere.
     
    Fixed it for you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You didn’t fix anything. Remember, Trump says he will win. No matter what. In a landslide. He already has his lawyers and minions ready to gin up the massive voter lie again. Powell and Giuliani lost their careers over it. You and others avoid addressing this fact.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    the massive voter lie
     
    Another of your many comments revealing your childishness. Were you an adult, which you aren’t, you’d understand that groups of people tend to act consistently with their general group traits. There has always been voter fraud particularly among the D coalition and particularly in urban areas. That’s a fact. The more you reduce the barriers to voter fraud as we’ve done with mail voting, and the more you are in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general, the more frequent it will be. Dishonest people don’t limit themselves to breaking into homes and holding up citizens.

    There is no real deterrence when the authorities are in on the crime or turn a blind eye because election challenges have impossible to meet standards for proving fraud. For instance, in the 2004 general election in the King County, Washington, there were more than 1000 invalid ballots that mysteriously found there way from the secure invalid ballots cage to be counted on election night likely making the difference in a close gubernatorial race in favor of the D. King County is. 70% D county and the election workers who made this error (?) that none confessed to were patronage hires of the D Executive. The judge who heard the challenge wouldn’t or couldn’t take proportions into consideration when adjudicating the election, proportions that would have changed the outcome (reducing the 1000 ballots proportionate of the D and R vote ) and so by introducing 1000 invalid ballots into the vote stream ambiguity which greatly favored Ds likely changed the result and was allowed to stand. This is how voter fraud is effectuated; by introducing ambiguity into the ballot counting process in jurisdictions that favor one party over another.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  216. @William H Bonnie
    @ScarletNumber

    I don't think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn't going to hurt anything. I saw a clip of a guy stating the number one search on google after the rally was, garbage in Puerto Rico. ( Paraphrased here, don't recall the exact key words)

    Trump did what he does best, trolled them into calling themselves out. People all over Tik Tok and X are talking about the landfill problems and the crooked government on our fine little island.

    I don't buy Trump not knowing before hand what the comedian was going to say. With that I've seen the guys show a few times and from what I hear it's a very popular show with Z aged men. Who knows man I could be way off base, but every time I think Trump screwed up he proves me wrong.

    At this point I want him to win just so we can watch these insane clowns melt down , it's gonna make 2020 look like a a hippie sit in. Interesting times indeed.

    Replies: @CalCooledge, @TrumpWon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber, @Mr. Anon

    Even though he said it as joke, I read it as Latinos tend to litter more than others. He also suggested they don’t use contraceptives and hence cause faster browning of America. Somehow, that did not become controversial. I think both were good in subliminally suggesting need to reduce illegal immigration.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @epebble

    It's always a good idea to insult one of the largest political groups before an election.

    Maybe Trump should also make some PMS jokes. He could do a bit on female emotionalism right before having a wrestler or rapper give an endorsement. Maybe he could also rant about cultural decline and those f-cking Democrats.

    Replies: @Curle, @epebble

  217. @Gore 2004
    Harris wins with 270-296 Electoral Votes. Election decided the Sunday after. That's all. Republicans win Senate, Dems win House. MAGA gets exterminated by the Romneys and DiFrancescos of the world. Trump fades away, and MAGA supporters lose their jobs publicly. Celebrities like Musk, Tucker, Harrison Butker all are faded by this time next year. Nikki Haley or Kingzinger is the 2028 frontrunner.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky

    But I do say no more than 5 to 6 billion killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.

  218. @Tiny Duck
    Strong economy, crime is down, Harris wins handily.

    Riots by conservatives are put down after much hand wringing.

    County moves forward into a new golden age.

    Replies: @newrouter

    “County moves forward into a new golden age. ”

    Your “New Way Forward” will leave your “County” going over the edge of a cliff.

  219. @vinteuil
    @Greta Handel

    Oh, and, yeah - when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    Oh, and, yeah – when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Outside of Unz it is normal to support Ukraine. The UN voted 143-5 that Russia’s invasion was unjust and that the land belongs to Ukraine.

    Are you that offended by Steve disagreeing with you? Does that keep you up at night?

    Also do explain this obsession with Nuland. Let’s hear a rational explanation of how a mid level government administrator changed the Ukrainian government even though the pro-Russian president was removed by Ukrainian parliament and was disavowed as a criminal by his own party. Did she make Yukanovich take millions in bribes? Did she use her magic Jew powers to make him loot his own mansion and flee to Russia? His former mansion is now a public museum of corruption. Tourists can view the lavish spending such as a $35k light fixture that cost more than his annual salary.

    Or maybe a better idea would be to find a pro-Putin website like MOA where they will censor the full story in favor of “Putin the victim of US Jews” which as a narrative completely falls apart in an open forum. It holds up about as well as young earth creationism or liberal race denial.

    Go ahead, dazzle us with a rational explanation. The other Putin lovers would be thrilled as they have been unable to explain it.

    • Agree: Art Deco
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @John Johnson


    Also do explain this obsession with Nuland.
     
    She was an American official implementing American policy. She was recorded talking to the US Ambassador picking the future Ukrainian cabinet.

    Let’s hear a rational explanation of how a mid level government administrator changed the Ukrainian government
     
    Supported by USAID (i.e., CIA) and various US Government and Soros-backed NGOs.

    Did she make Yukanovich take millions in bribes? Did she use her magic Jew powers to make him loot his own mansion and flee to Russia? His former mansion is now a public museum of corruption. Tourists can view the lavish spending such as a $35k light fixture that cost more than his annual salary.
     
    I've no doubt that Yukanovich was corrupt. Not like the current squeaky-clean occupant of that office, a man who's candidacy was bankrolled by a single billionaire:

    Corruption accusations continue to plague top Zelenskiy aides

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/graft-accusations-dog-top-zelenskiy-aides-2023-09-19/
     

    Zelensky's Corruption Problem

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-zelensky-corruption-problem-1863644

     

    I guess we'll have to wait for a regime-change to get a full accounting of how many expensive light-fixtures Voldymyr Zelensky has.

    Outside of Unz it is normal to support Ukraine. The UN voted 143-5 that Russia’s invasion was unjust and that the land belongs to Ukraine.
     
    And support of the insane lockdown policies and other aspects of COVID-tyranny was almost unanimous among the governments comprising the UN too. So?
    , @vinteuil
    @John Johnson

    Oh, and - let the record note that Art Deco agreed with an even more than usually silly John Johnson post.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  220. @GeologyAnonMk2.2
    @Altai5

    I'm not real stressed about the US getting into a shooting war with Iran to help Netanyahu mutilate more women and children and avoid jail. It's just not really viable.

    Nobody in the neighborhood is going to give us basing or overflight permission and unlike Israel we can't violate the Arab states sovereignty so flippantly. So that just leaves the Navy and Marines, with some very- low sortie contribution from USAF B-2s and B-52s out of Diego Garcia. Meaning you're going to have to pull at least 3 CSGs and 3 ARGs to do anything operationally significant. We have at most 6 of each underway at any time (often less) and ADM Paparo, the last competent flag officer in the USN has signaled that he needs at least 5 CSGs to keep the PLAN in their cage if they make a play for Taiwan, and that TF77 won't engage until they are at full strength for an old school Mahanian decisive battle throw down.

    So the minimum threshold to support our dear allies in their quest to slaughter 90 million Persians would require committing "fleets in being" in such numbers that Taiwan becomes free real estate for the ChiComs. Frankly, Israel, Iran, and Taiwan could all suffer total existence failure tomorrow and approximately zero US national interests would be affected, but no rational person is going to commit to a war they will definitely lose in a strategic sense, which will also free up their #1 rival to conquer one of their "allies" and break out of the first island chain.

    Replies: @TrumpWon

    Iran and Israel don’t do much for our national interest but Taiwan is pretty much all the high end manufacturing and semiconductors so losing it would be an economic gut punch. Followed by an uppercut, and then a body slam.

  221. @AnotherDad
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    Trump will probably win despite the drag put on his campaign by anti-abortion groups. Yeah I said it, eat it. They demand everything and yet give nothing in return.

     
    For the record, this--as Kaiser was poking at--is ahistorical.

    The usual quick and dirty of the modern Republican party in the 6th party system was that it was a triad of
    -- national security hawks
    -- fiscal (or at least "lower taxes!") conservatives
    -- and social conservatives.
    The social conservatives provided the most votes, but the Republicans actual program in office--especially Reagan on--was heavy defense spending (against the Soviets and then for the neocon's wars) and marginal tax rate cuts, but essentially nothing for the social conservatives.

    Normie/traditionalist angst--worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life--was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual "pro-family" policy was--still is--essentially non-existent.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @James B. Shearer, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You are right about the point you are making, in the sense you are making it.

    I am more talking about the political activists. According to GOP operators I’ve heard from, the anti-abortion crowd was always uncompromising in demanding what they wanted (zero abortions ever) but not willing to work with others in a realistic manner.

    I would say most of the actual voters were going to vote GOP anyway. Most of voters are not that zealous about abortion and put economic and national security above.

    It’s been noted that when the Establishment GOP started talking to the white working class (i.e. Reagan Democrats), they had no idea how to approach them. So instead they used Moral Majority types as a proxy. As in, “you preacher boys know these people, we will buy you off and you tell your people to vote GOP”. Which is kinda what the Dems did with Black preachers.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    [T]he anti-abortion crowd was always uncompromising in demanding what they wanted (zero abortions ever) but not willing to work with others in a realistic manner.
     
    Those I know among the anti-abortion crowd view abortion as slaughter of the innocent. I do not say that motives among the anti-abortion crowd are always pure (for if motives were pure then more pro-lifers would possess the self-confidence to take pro-choice objections seriously); but among the anti-abortion crowd, slaughter of the innocent is simply not a point of compromise.

    The suggestion that, realistically, one must condone the slaughter of a certain number of the innocent is not a suggestion the anti-abortion crowd could ever accept.

    If you wish to restrain anti-abortion fervor, then the best way to do it is exactly what has been done recently: you defeat pro-life decisively, repeatedly at the ballot box. After defeating the pro-lifers at the ballot box, you refrain from humiliating them further, and you mostly decline to engage with them on the topic of abortion. This leaves pro-lifers room to take your side for their own reasons on other issues.

    As far as I know, this is the best you can do.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble, @James B. Shearer

  222. anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greta Handel
    @Anonymous

    I’d be surprised if Mr. Sailer has stated any position on “sending American troops to Ukraine or continued COVID lockdowns,” especially of late. But he was an armchair warballer in a blue and yellow jersey with Z’s name on the back for nearly a year after Russia’s invasion and a ninny during the dempanic, especially about the, at best, marginally effective vaccines therapeutic crapshots. If deployment or lockdown orders are issued, wouldn’t you predict iCrickets?

    Which quite apparently was Loyalty’s point — Mr. Sailer opposes the Establishment on practically nothing outside his HBD boys only tree fort. What’s “crazy” about noticing that?

    Replies: @Mark G., @William Badwhite, @anonymous

    his HBD boys only tree fort

    Sailer never seems to have outgrown his 10-year-old “girls are icky” mentality. Lately, he seems to have gotten a wild hair up his ass about women who were in sororities in college. Maybe he put the moves on one at one of his speaking engagements and got shot down.

  223. @Roderick Spode
    @Colin Wright

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/arthur/images/0/09/DW_S8E06.png/revision/latest?cb=20210618002045

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  224. @Mark G.
    @Greta Handel

    "marginally effective vaccines"

    Older people over 60, including Steve, seemed to be more supportive of the vaccines and lockdowns during the Covid epidemic. For people in that age group, staying home and then getting vaccinated when vaccines became available was a good idea.

    I have always been skeptical of government solutions to problems because they often, for the sake of simplicity, take a one size fits all approach.

    In the case of Covid, there was a vast difference in how dangerous it was to a 20 year old versus a 70 year old. There was also a big difference between how dangerous it was to someone healthy versus someone unhealthy. I did not catch it for over a year and then did so after being in a serious accident that sent me to the hospital. Decisions on how to prevent or treat the disease should have been left to individuals, but instead they were made by government officials and based on maximizing big pharma profits.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Ralph L

    I believe they originally thought the vax would stop or slow transmission. When it turned out it didn’t, they were unwilling to admit yet another error. Panicking the youngish, non-obese, and healthy was criminal regardless.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Ralph L


    I believe they originally thought the vax would stop or slow transmission.
     
    No, “they” lied about it. As was evident to anyone who took the time to read about the study - aborted at that - used to justify the rollout. The only metric for efficacy from the get go was a reduction in a defined set of symptoms, which looked really big and scary if all you compared were the people who suffered them. But, Pfizered or salined, both cohorts bore a negligible risk of serious harm from the infection.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  225. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Old Prude


    Whatever happens, I am stocking up on toilet paper and whiskey this week.
     
    Hmm. Knob Creek Smoked Maple enema?

    Replies: @Old Prude

    You, sir, have a diseased mind.

  226. @JR Ewing
    I told myself after 2022 that I wasn't going to let myself get sucked in this year and believe the hype and get emotionally invested. To paraphrase Stalin, the democrats control the counting in the places where it matters.

    Perhaps this is cynical, but I truly believe the dems will - eventually - be declared (declare themselves) the winners after a couple of weeks of blatant and inevitable "counting" in big cities in swing states that will only go in one direction. After which you are likely to see some rather more intense protests than January 6th scattered around the country, but those will eventually peter out since most republican voters are working class people who have jobs and can't afford to devote themselves to rioting.

    IF Trump's publicly announced margins early enough on election night are large enough to preclude cheating and they have no choice but to concede that he won - and that's a big 'if' but not entirely unlikely - then we are likely to see very destructive riots in several big cities and possibly quite a few lives lost. It won't necessarily be from disappointed democrat voters, but from democrat professional brownshirts with orders from the highest levels of the deep state who don't have jobs and don't have anything better to do.

    In my opinion, about the only thing that avoids a seriously tumultuous outcome would be if Trump manages to definitively win the popular vote and prevents the dems from using that talking point to justify their tantrum. In fact, I have a good friend who lives in a very blue state who is effectively a Trump supporter but who intends to vote for a write-in candidate to make some kind of (dumb) statement of principle. I have counseled him that even though his vote might not matter in the electoral college, it very much could matter when it comes to the popular vote, which should be a consideration for him this time around.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    A thoughtful comment. I agree totally.

  227. @Ralph L
    @Mark G.

    I believe they originally thought the vax would stop or slow transmission. When it turned out it didn't, they were unwilling to admit yet another error. Panicking the youngish, non-obese, and healthy was criminal regardless.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    I believe they originally thought the vax would stop or slow transmission.

    No, “they” lied about it. As was evident to anyone who took the time to read about the study – aborted at that – used to justify the rollout. The only metric for efficacy from the get go was a reduction in a defined set of symptoms, which looked really big and scary if all you compared were the people who suffered them. But, Pfizered or salined, both cohorts bore a negligible risk of serious harm from the infection.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Greta Handel

    The only metric for efficacy from the get go was a reduction in a defined set of symptoms, which looked really big and scary if all you compared were the people who suffered them.


    That's not true. High vaxx states had lower death rates.
    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/980326?form=fpf

    The vaccines work and people did not grow arms or mutate. That's a pity as I was hoping for some type of x-men power.

    COVID is over so I really don't understand why the anti-vaxxers still rant about it. It's now like the flu in that you can get the vaccine to reduce symptoms or you can be sick longer to make some type of political point.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mr. Anon

  228. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Kaiser Wilhelm

    Like every anti-abortion zealot, you hold bizarre religious views. In fact, you are a nut. The funny thing about you guys is that you are singularly lacking in compassion. You beat your chest about loving embryos, but would bring an endless stream of deformed, retarded children into the world for the sole purpose of suffering. Because you think that's what Jesus wants? You think Jesus is a psycho sadist?

    This is beyond stupid. As I've pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). They happen all the time. No one has performed more abortions than God Almighty.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Mike Tre

    You made a great point but it has been sitting in moderation for going on two days.

  229. Democratic activists having persuaded themselves that they have a right to cheat, I do not know whether the swing-state Republican parties are sufficiently organized to contain election fraud. Even if they are, who’s going to stop negro Democratic-party rowdies from muscling elderly white Republican poll watchers out of the room when the truckload of fake ballots arrives? It only takes two minutes to mix the fake ballots in with the real ones. Once mixed, cannot be unmixed, regardless of subsequent orders from election authorities and the courts.

    I am aware of nothing that prevents Pennsylvania Democrats from swamping the legitimate Pennsylvania vote with fake ballots constituting 10 or even 20 percent of the whole. No one is going to prosecute the fraudsters, regardless of the obviousness of the evidence; and the negro underclass is not much deterred by prosecution, anyway.

    Fraud is undoubtedly already underway in various post offices overnight.

    Harris will win Pennsylvania and Michigan by fraud and will win Nevada, too, which leaves Trump with the necessity to win both North Carolina and Georgia plus either of Wisconsin and Arizona. Of the last four, the abortion issue and the Great Replacement will deliver North Carolina and Arizona to Harris and Trump’s personality—which I love but many hate—will deliver Wisconsin, leaving Trump only with Georgia, where black turnout will flag a bit and fraud will be contained. Electoral college totals: Harris 303; Trump 235. Tragically, Trump spends Inauguration Day in a New York prison cell.

    Stealing this election won’t be easy. Chaotic Democratic execution might botch the theft, but Harris has sufficient genuine support to begin with that I believe that the cheaters can push her over the top into the White House. If Harris were white, then last-minute defections due to complex, inarticulable female-rival emotions among white women would consign Harris to Sarah Palin’s fate; but Harris is not white and, thus, the defections will not occur. Harris will win.

    Trump might win if the Israeli government decided that a Trump victory were in their interests, but I suspect that Douglas MacGregor has it right: Trump is too wild a bronco for Israelis to feel sure that they can control him. This time, Israel will not directly interfere.

    That’s my prediction. Whether the result is permanent one-party Democratic rule probably depends on what Zionists want.

  230. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    You didn’t fix anything. Remember, Trump says he will win. No matter what. In a landslide. He already has his lawyers and minions ready to gin up the massive voter lie again. Powell and Giuliani lost their careers over it. You and others avoid addressing this fact.

    Replies: @Curle

    the massive voter lie

    Another of your many comments revealing your childishness. Were you an adult, which you aren’t, you’d understand that groups of people tend to act consistently with their general group traits. There has always been voter fraud particularly among the D coalition and particularly in urban areas. That’s a fact. The more you reduce the barriers to voter fraud as we’ve done with mail voting, and the more you are in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general, the more frequent it will be. Dishonest people don’t limit themselves to breaking into homes and holding up citizens.

    There is no real deterrence when the authorities are in on the crime or turn a blind eye because election challenges have impossible to meet standards for proving fraud. For instance, in the 2004 general election in the King County, Washington, there were more than 1000 invalid ballots that mysteriously found there way from the secure invalid ballots cage to be counted on election night likely making the difference in a close gubernatorial race in favor of the D. King County is. 70% D county and the election workers who made this error (?) that none confessed to were patronage hires of the D Executive. The judge who heard the challenge wouldn’t or couldn’t take proportions into consideration when adjudicating the election, proportions that would have changed the outcome (reducing the 1000 ballots proportionate of the D and R vote ) and so by introducing 1000 invalid ballots into the vote stream ambiguity which greatly favored Ds likely changed the result and was allowed to stand. This is how voter fraud is effectuated; by introducing ambiguity into the ballot counting process in jurisdictions that favor one party over another.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    "Another of your many comments revealing your childishness".

    JFC, grow up.

    "There has always been voter fraud particularly among the D coalition and particularly in urban areas. That’s a fact."

    Not as widespread or rampant as you have been propagandized to think. Again, you refuse to address the malfeasance of Powell and Guiliani. BOTH were key members of Trump's legal team.

    "in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general".

    Sweeping generalization. If anything, the Republican nominee has shown a knack for getting into repeated legal quandries. Ask, Cohen, his former fixer.

    "You could, of course, start paying attention."

    Stop being a shill. "The base isn't energized" or "it looks like people are sitting this election out" are common tropes used the D's and R's. The reality is that both sides are motivated to vote.

    So while there is no consensus on who is ahead among early voters thus far, it appears Republicans are cutting into Democrats’ early voting advantage. However, my vague impression is that women are exceeding their vote share from 2020, which seems to indicate the abortion issue could weigh heavily in the outcome.

    Interesting enough, Trump has made more of a concerted effort this year to encourage Republicans to vote early and by mail, a major shift from his 2020 messaging, when he falsely claimed widespread fraud in mail-in voting.

    Replies: @Curle

  231. @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    JFC, you’re a shill. The message at that venue alienates those whom Trump supposedly says is rallying behind his cause.

    “This is just a big punch in the gut for Republicans who have sincerely and over a period of time been working to grow strong relationships and roots in Puerto Rican communities, particularly here in the state of Florida,” said former Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.).

    Read the room.

    “The left isn’t energized now”

    Citations required.

    “Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter”

    Right, because elites like him want more tax breaks and less regulations. Of course he is going to run interference for him.

    I suspect that Trump wins only because the Supreme Court interferes. And if somehow Harris does emerge victorious, it’s not because of voter fraud. It’s because people are tired of Trump’s nonsense. Of course you and others are already penciling him in automatically—after all, he says he will win. And if he doesn’t, he goes back to his “massive voter fraud lie” that was exposed by Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani.

    Replies: @Curle, @Prester John, @Curle

    “It’s because people are tired of Trump’s nonsense.”

    Indeed. However nearly 50 percent of “the people” evidently beg to differ, notwithstanding the usual Trump humbug. What does that tell you about this thing of ours?

  232. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @AnotherDad

    You are right about the point you are making, in the sense you are making it.

    I am more talking about the political activists. According to GOP operators I've heard from, the anti-abortion crowd was always uncompromising in demanding what they wanted (zero abortions ever) but not willing to work with others in a realistic manner.

    I would say most of the actual voters were going to vote GOP anyway. Most of voters are not that zealous about abortion and put economic and national security above.

    It's been noted that when the Establishment GOP started talking to the white working class (i.e. Reagan Democrats), they had no idea how to approach them. So instead they used Moral Majority types as a proxy. As in, "you preacher boys know these people, we will buy you off and you tell your people to vote GOP". Which is kinda what the Dems did with Black preachers.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    [T]he anti-abortion crowd was always uncompromising in demanding what they wanted (zero abortions ever) but not willing to work with others in a realistic manner.

    Those I know among the anti-abortion crowd view abortion as slaughter of the innocent. I do not say that motives among the anti-abortion crowd are always pure (for if motives were pure then more pro-lifers would possess the self-confidence to take pro-choice objections seriously); but among the anti-abortion crowd, slaughter of the innocent is simply not a point of compromise.

    The suggestion that, realistically, one must condone the slaughter of a certain number of the innocent is not a suggestion the anti-abortion crowd could ever accept.

    If you wish to restrain anti-abortion fervor, then the best way to do it is exactly what has been done recently: you defeat pro-life decisively, repeatedly at the ballot box. After defeating the pro-lifers at the ballot box, you refrain from humiliating them further, and you mostly decline to engage with them on the topic of abortion. This leaves pro-lifers room to take your side for their own reasons on other issues.

    As far as I know, this is the best you can do.

    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @V. K. Ovelund


    but among the anti-abortion crowd, slaughter of the innocent is simply not a point of compromise
     
    I think you are right about what they think but they are totally wrong. Do they really believe the 20 billion miscarriages that have occurred were souls that God "slaughtered"?

    It is also obvious they get this view purely from a weird religious view. I know they will lie about the source of their beliefs but that is obviously the truth.

    Do they truly believe ensoulment begins at conception? Like, if someone takes a day-after pill did they "slaughter" someone?

    After defeating the pro-lifers at the ballot box, you refrain from humiliating them further ... As far as I know, this is the best you can do
     
    You may be right. But a part of me thinks it would be better to dump them and just go after the white women who vote on the issue. We were supposed to have a Red Wave last election but it was ruined by the anti-aborition crowed. Oh well.
    , @epebble
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Those I know among the anti-abortion crowd view abortion as slaughter of the innocent.

    That may be considered an admirable and justifiable moral axiom. But I have a question: why doesn't the anti-abortion movement work as vigorously towards promoting contraception as towards reducing abortions? After all, they are diametrically complimentary - every pregnancy prevented is one (unwanted) pregnancy that won't seek abortion. If they campaign towards, say, free/low cost and universal availability of contraception, may be the whole need for energetic anti-abortion movement will just go away. There was much resistance from many Republicans when Obamacare included contraception in free services mandate. That would seem to go against anti-abortion core value.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @James B. Shearer
    @V. K. Ovelund

    "The suggestion that, realistically, one must condone the slaughter of a certain number of the innocent is not a suggestion the anti-abortion crowd could ever accept."

    That's true of the fanatics but I don't think it is universal. I expect a fair number would accept a law which eliminated 90% of abortions rather than holding out for 100% and getting nothing.

  233. @William H Bonnie
    @ScarletNumber

    I don't think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn't going to hurt anything. I saw a clip of a guy stating the number one search on google after the rally was, garbage in Puerto Rico. ( Paraphrased here, don't recall the exact key words)

    Trump did what he does best, trolled them into calling themselves out. People all over Tik Tok and X are talking about the landfill problems and the crooked government on our fine little island.

    I don't buy Trump not knowing before hand what the comedian was going to say. With that I've seen the guys show a few times and from what I hear it's a very popular show with Z aged men. Who knows man I could be way off base, but every time I think Trump screwed up he proves me wrong.

    At this point I want him to win just so we can watch these insane clowns melt down , it's gonna make 2020 look like a a hippie sit in. Interesting times indeed.

    Replies: @CalCooledge, @TrumpWon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber, @Mr. Anon

    Biden tried to play a Reverse UNO card by referring to the garbage of the Trump supporters which is being interpreted as him as him calling Trump supporters garbage. Much like Hillary calling them deplorables, this will backfire.

    A part of me thinks that Biden wouldn’t be terribly upset if Kamala lost, if only because he feels deep down that he was thrown overboard by Nancy Pelosi et al.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  234. @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    JFC, you’re a shill. The message at that venue alienates those whom Trump supposedly says is rallying behind his cause.

    “This is just a big punch in the gut for Republicans who have sincerely and over a period of time been working to grow strong relationships and roots in Puerto Rican communities, particularly here in the state of Florida,” said former Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.).

    Read the room.

    “The left isn’t energized now”

    Citations required.

    “Jeff Bezos just set off a preference cascade among newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala; the richest man in the world is a Trump supporter”

    Right, because elites like him want more tax breaks and less regulations. Of course he is going to run interference for him.

    I suspect that Trump wins only because the Supreme Court interferes. And if somehow Harris does emerge victorious, it’s not because of voter fraud. It’s because people are tired of Trump’s nonsense. Of course you and others are already penciling him in automatically—after all, he says he will win. And if he doesn’t, he goes back to his “massive voter fraud lie” that was exposed by Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani.

    Replies: @Curle, @Prester John, @Curle

    “The left isn’t energized now”
    Citations required.”

    You could, of course, start paying attention. Early voting is thought to be a good indicator of comparative party enthusiasm and it is generally reliable because in many states voters are registered by party and can be tracked by GOTV operations which then provide this info to pollsters. Early and vote frequency vary greatly by ethnic and class voting blocks and are thought to indicate enthusiasm. At present, key D voting blocks are not voting as early as in past elections, especially when compared to Obama as the baseline and late voting correlates to lower turnout. R voter blocks are voting earlier compared to their own baselines. These are great signs for Rs and horrible for Ds. Another key sign? Congressional and senate Ds have been told they are no longer at risk of losing party money if they distance themselves from the top of the ticket which some are doing.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Curle

    I'm taking all my American students to a party in Beijing's university district after they vote at the embassy. They're all voting Dem. They're all not voting until Election Day.

  235. @John Johnson
    @vinteuil

    Oh, and, yeah – when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Outside of Unz it is normal to support Ukraine. The UN voted 143-5 that Russia's invasion was unjust and that the land belongs to Ukraine.

    Are you that offended by Steve disagreeing with you? Does that keep you up at night?

    Also do explain this obsession with Nuland. Let's hear a rational explanation of how a mid level government administrator changed the Ukrainian government even though the pro-Russian president was removed by Ukrainian parliament and was disavowed as a criminal by his own party. Did she make Yukanovich take millions in bribes? Did she use her magic Jew powers to make him loot his own mansion and flee to Russia? His former mansion is now a public museum of corruption. Tourists can view the lavish spending such as a $35k light fixture that cost more than his annual salary.

    Or maybe a better idea would be to find a pro-Putin website like MOA where they will censor the full story in favor of "Putin the victim of US Jews" which as a narrative completely falls apart in an open forum. It holds up about as well as young earth creationism or liberal race denial.

    Go ahead, dazzle us with a rational explanation. The other Putin lovers would be thrilled as they have been unable to explain it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @vinteuil

    Also do explain this obsession with Nuland.

    She was an American official implementing American policy. She was recorded talking to the US Ambassador picking the future Ukrainian cabinet.

    Let’s hear a rational explanation of how a mid level government administrator changed the Ukrainian government

    Supported by USAID (i.e., CIA) and various US Government and Soros-backed NGOs.

    Did she make Yukanovich take millions in bribes? Did she use her magic Jew powers to make him loot his own mansion and flee to Russia? His former mansion is now a public museum of corruption. Tourists can view the lavish spending such as a $35k light fixture that cost more than his annual salary.

    I’ve no doubt that Yukanovich was corrupt. Not like the current squeaky-clean occupant of that office, a man who’s candidacy was bankrolled by a single billionaire:

    Corruption accusations continue to plague top Zelenskiy aides

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/graft-accusations-dog-top-zelenskiy-aides-2023-09-19/

    Zelensky’s Corruption Problem

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-zelensky-corruption-problem-1863644

    I guess we’ll have to wait for a regime-change to get a full accounting of how many expensive light-fixtures Voldymyr Zelensky has.

    Outside of Unz it is normal to support Ukraine. The UN voted 143-5 that Russia’s invasion was unjust and that the land belongs to Ukraine.

    And support of the insane lockdown policies and other aspects of COVID-tyranny was almost unanimous among the governments comprising the UN too. So?

  236. @vinteuil
    @Greta Handel

    Oh, and, yeah - when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.

    Uh … maybe Steve opposed the policy of the neocons–unnecessary war.

    And now Steve opposes the policy of Putin–unnecessary war.

    Occam’s razor: Steve’s just not a big fan of war?

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @AnotherDad


    Occam’s razor: Steve’s just not a big fan of war?
     
    Which explains his outspoken opposition to the one in Syria? Libya? Yemen? Palestine? Lebanon?

    Sharpen up.

    , @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    Wrong. Putin conducted a rescue operation. Ukraine/NATO (read: US neocons), instead of negotiating a deal have instead prolonged this conflict 2 years longer than necessary.

    Also That Putin and Russia refuse to concede to Ukraine being a NATO nuke depot is perfectly reasonable. Are you ok with Russian/Chinese nukes in Mexico? Go ahead and point and sputter.

    Further, Sailer has nothing to say about Israel’s latest campaign of destruction.

    So it’s more accurate to say that Sailer is ok with some wars, but not others. Who/whom and all that. Sailer’s cohort of white knights are unable to see this.

    , @vinteuil
    @AnotherDad


    Steve’s just not a big fan of war?
     
    Hey, who is?

    Replies: @Mark G., @Colin Wright

  237. @Greta Handel
    @Mark G.

    You seem to have lost track of an important strikethrough.

    The point is that

    1) the COVID shots were and are “vaccines” only under a conveniently revised regulatory definition

    2) as was finally acknowledged after a shitstorm of duplicitous propaganda and coercion, the rushed products were never even tested for efficacy WRT to transmission/infection as opposed to symptomatic amelioration

    3) even at that, people were fearpharmed by “95% effective” blah blah because they failed to understand the distinction between relative and absolute statistics

    Commenters like Kratoklastes were calling it out all along. But Mr. Sailer not only fell for it, he helped the Establishment put it over on millions of trusting, tyrannized people. His default mode is actually quite the opposite of his cultivated reputation.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @vinteuil, @Mr. Anon

    The point is that

    1) the COVID shots were and are “vaccines” only under a conveniently revised regulatory definition

    They changed the definition of what a vaccine is intended to do (merely lessen symptoms or reduce transmission, rather than provide complete immunity). However, the COVID shots clearly are vaccines – they operate by the mechanism that vaccines operate by: stimulating your immune system to produce anti-bodies against a pathogen.

    The real point is that the government has no legitimate right to force you to take one (I know about that one Supreme Court decision – f**k that supreme court decision). The real point is that pharmaceutical companies have been vaccine-izing their product line, i.e. turning more and more to the production of vaccines over medicines, because they have zero-liability (zero! nada! zilch!) for vaccines.

  238. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Colin Wright

    She has narrow-set eyes and a primitive, pre-homo sapiens skull-face. That is all I need to see, and I don't even know who she is.

    I wouldn't have done her, for those grotesque reasons. There's your answer.

    Replies: @Anymike

    She has yellow hair, she must be beautiful. It’s all that simple.

  239. @William H Bonnie
    @ScarletNumber

    I don't think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn't going to hurt anything. I saw a clip of a guy stating the number one search on google after the rally was, garbage in Puerto Rico. ( Paraphrased here, don't recall the exact key words)

    Trump did what he does best, trolled them into calling themselves out. People all over Tik Tok and X are talking about the landfill problems and the crooked government on our fine little island.

    I don't buy Trump not knowing before hand what the comedian was going to say. With that I've seen the guys show a few times and from what I hear it's a very popular show with Z aged men. Who knows man I could be way off base, but every time I think Trump screwed up he proves me wrong.

    At this point I want him to win just so we can watch these insane clowns melt down , it's gonna make 2020 look like a a hippie sit in. Interesting times indeed.

    Replies: @CalCooledge, @TrumpWon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber, @Mr. Anon

    I don’t think it will backfire, the media was already calling it a Nazi rally as you know, so a guy who told some jokes about Puerto Rico being a garbage dump isn’t going to hurt anything.

    I agree. Given that Trump and his supporters were already sieg-hileing up a storm and making stiff-armed Nazi salutes (at least according to what Rachel Maddow told me) I don’t see how an offhand joke about PR could hurt.

    The fact is, it was a funny joke, not hugely hilarious, but funny. I laughed a little when I heard it. And how is it different than any other joke that Hinchcliffe could have told? He, or any equivalent comedian at a Democratic Party event, could make a similar joke about New Jersey or – certainly – Mississippi or Tennessee, and nobody would have batted an eye.

    Do Puerto Ricans have really good lawyers? They still won’t show the infamous “Puerto Rico Day” episode from Seinfeld on TV. Are people still afraid of them because they shot up some government buildings back in the 40s/50s?

  240. @AnotherDad
    @vinteuil


    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.
     
    Uh ... maybe Steve opposed the policy of the neocons--unnecessary war.

    And now Steve opposes the policy of Putin--unnecessary war.

    Occam's razor: Steve's just not a big fan of war?

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mike Tre, @vinteuil

    Occam’s razor: Steve’s just not a big fan of war?

    Which explains his outspoken opposition to the one in Syria? Libya? Yemen? Palestine? Lebanon?

    Sharpen up.

  241. @Curle
    @Corvinus

    “The left isn’t energized now”
    Citations required.”

    You could, of course, start paying attention. Early voting is thought to be a good indicator of comparative party enthusiasm and it is generally reliable because in many states voters are registered by party and can be tracked by GOTV operations which then provide this info to pollsters. Early and vote frequency vary greatly by ethnic and class voting blocks and are thought to indicate enthusiasm. At present, key D voting blocks are not voting as early as in past elections, especially when compared to Obama as the baseline and late voting correlates to lower turnout. R voter blocks are voting earlier compared to their own baselines. These are great signs for Rs and horrible for Ds. Another key sign? Congressional and senate Ds have been told they are no longer at risk of losing party money if they distance themselves from the top of the ticket which some are doing.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    I’m taking all my American students to a party in Beijing’s university district after they vote at the embassy. They’re all voting Dem. They’re all not voting until Election Day.

  242. @AnotherDad
    @vinteuil


    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.
     
    Uh ... maybe Steve opposed the policy of the neocons--unnecessary war.

    And now Steve opposes the policy of Putin--unnecessary war.

    Occam's razor: Steve's just not a big fan of war?

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mike Tre, @vinteuil

    Wrong. Putin conducted a rescue operation. Ukraine/NATO (read: US neocons), instead of negotiating a deal have instead prolonged this conflict 2 years longer than necessary.

    Also That Putin and Russia refuse to concede to Ukraine being a NATO nuke depot is perfectly reasonable. Are you ok with Russian/Chinese nukes in Mexico? Go ahead and point and sputter.

    Further, Sailer has nothing to say about Israel’s latest campaign of destruction.

    So it’s more accurate to say that Sailer is ok with some wars, but not others. Who/whom and all that. Sailer’s cohort of white knights are unable to see this.

  243. @epebble
    @William H Bonnie

    Even though he said it as joke, I read it as Latinos tend to litter more than others. He also suggested they don't use contraceptives and hence cause faster browning of America. Somehow, that did not become controversial. I think both were good in subliminally suggesting need to reduce illegal immigration.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It’s always a good idea to insult one of the largest political groups before an election.

    Maybe Trump should also make some PMS jokes. He could do a bit on female emotionalism right before having a wrestler or rapper give an endorsement. Maybe he could also rant about cultural decline and those f-cking Democrats.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson


    It’s always a good idea to insult one of the largest political groups before an election.
     
    I love it when presumed white guys, maybe even liberals, opine on what is or is not offensive to minorities when the joke is delivered by another minority. In this instance it has the salubrious effect of demonstrating alarm, not over the act in question, but the kind of displacement alarm being generated by unwanted events, that their favorite candidate’s goose is looking more and more like it is being cooked. That Corvy also tried this meme on for size (is Morning Joe peddling it?) is revealing.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @epebble
    @John Johnson

    PMS jokes

    You may be a little late (with the 'advice')

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/nikki-haley-pans-trump-world-bromance-masculinity-stuff-rcna177925

    https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/elections/national/2024/10/28/harris-trump-billboard-newark-removedvulgar-crass-election-2024/75895832007/

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/megyn-kelly-rips-trumps-bro-tastic-madison-square-garden-rally-do-they-have-no-women-advising-their-campaign/

    Harris is +10.3% with early votes of women.

  244. @Greta Handel
    @Ralph L


    I believe they originally thought the vax would stop or slow transmission.
     
    No, “they” lied about it. As was evident to anyone who took the time to read about the study - aborted at that - used to justify the rollout. The only metric for efficacy from the get go was a reduction in a defined set of symptoms, which looked really big and scary if all you compared were the people who suffered them. But, Pfizered or salined, both cohorts bore a negligible risk of serious harm from the infection.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The only metric for efficacy from the get go was a reduction in a defined set of symptoms, which looked really big and scary if all you compared were the people who suffered them.

    That’s not true. High vaxx states had lower death rates.
    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/980326?form=fpf

    The vaccines work and people did not grow arms or mutate. That’s a pity as I was hoping for some type of x-men power.

    COVID is over so I really don’t understand why the anti-vaxxers still rant about it. It’s now like the flu in that you can get the vaccine to reduce symptoms or you can be sick longer to make some type of political point.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @John Johnson

    And I don’t know why you keep prevaricating.

    The shots were pushed on people as preventing spread.

    But - contrary to the propaganda - they were never even designed much less tested for that efficacy.

    What you’re citing is thus irrelevant to my refutation of Ralph L, which you’ve truncated to mislead.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Mr. Anon
    @John Johnson


    COVID is over so I really don’t understand why the anti-vaxxers still rant about it.
     
    It is not "anti-vax" to object to being compelled to get a vaccine. It is anti-compulsion. Something you pro-tyranny people never understood and still don't.

    Those of us who opposed COVID-tyranny still talk about it because nothing was resolved. Nobody apologized. Nobody admitted they were wrong. Nobody was punished. We still talk about it because it was tyranny and we object to tyranny. We still talk about it because they could do it all over again.

    Replies: @jsm

  245. @TrumpWon
    @JR Ewing

    Everyone? Illegals? Foreigners who can't even be bothered to learn English? Fuck that- why should they vote?

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    Everyone?

    Everyone who can legally vote. Sloppy language on my part.

  246. @John Johnson
    @Greta Handel

    The only metric for efficacy from the get go was a reduction in a defined set of symptoms, which looked really big and scary if all you compared were the people who suffered them.


    That's not true. High vaxx states had lower death rates.
    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/980326?form=fpf

    The vaccines work and people did not grow arms or mutate. That's a pity as I was hoping for some type of x-men power.

    COVID is over so I really don't understand why the anti-vaxxers still rant about it. It's now like the flu in that you can get the vaccine to reduce symptoms or you can be sick longer to make some type of political point.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mr. Anon

    And I don’t know why you keep prevaricating.

    The shots were pushed on people as preventing spread.

    But – contrary to the propaganda – they were never even designed much less tested for that efficacy.

    What you’re citing is thus irrelevant to my refutation of Ralph L, which you’ve truncated to mislead.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Greta Handel

    Right, there was no evidence at the time in early 2021, pro or con, that the vaccines offered "sterilizing immunity" to cut the spread. The vax mandates were largely based on a wish that this would prove true. It mostly didn't.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

  247. @Corn
    @Bragadocious


    Nah, inflation was under control in Jan. 2021. The problem was Biden-Harris’ “net zero” carbon policy and the shutting down of oil and gas leases on federal lands. That was the first body blow. The second came after the Ukraine war and the sanctions on Russia, which sent the price of energy soaring. That was the killer blow. Biden spinned it as “Putin’s price hike” but Putin had nothing to do with it. It was Biden, always.
     
    I don’t want to be an autist harping on this but I’ve brought this up multiple times to other people. Democrats try to blame gas prices on the Ukraine invasion or other Russian machinations, but I remember otherwise.

    Biden took office. Within days he killed that XL Pipeline deal with Canada. Gas went up almost immediately and kept going up for 1 1/2 -2 years.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    Biden took office. Within days he killed that XL Pipeline deal with Canada. Gas went up almost immediately and kept going up for 1 1/2 -2 years.

    Don’t disagree.

    On a broader level, I remember Biden took office in January and issued a bunch of executive orders and basically repealed a lot of things and reversed many Trump policies for no other apparent reason than spite, regardless of the effect such action might have had.

    “Keystone pipeline? Fuck that shit. Close it down.”

    “Closed border? Fuck that shit. Open it up.”

    “You don’t like masks? Too bad, Fuck that shit. Everyone has to wear a mask now.”

    “Teaching kids about the Constitution? Fuck that racist shit. Close it down.”

    “Reform the census? Fuck that racist shit. Close it down and go back to how it was.”

    And many more. Day one and several days after.

    It really felt like triumphalism and heel-grinding at the time that was less based on policy and more about sticking a finger in the eyes of the deplorables. The Keystone XL especially, since construction was well underway and the policy benefits were very tangible.

    • Agree: Corn
  248. @John Johnson
    @epebble

    It's always a good idea to insult one of the largest political groups before an election.

    Maybe Trump should also make some PMS jokes. He could do a bit on female emotionalism right before having a wrestler or rapper give an endorsement. Maybe he could also rant about cultural decline and those f-cking Democrats.

    Replies: @Curle, @epebble

    It’s always a good idea to insult one of the largest political groups before an election.

    I love it when presumed white guys, maybe even liberals, opine on what is or is not offensive to minorities when the joke is delivered by another minority. In this instance it has the salubrious effect of demonstrating alarm, not over the act in question, but the kind of displacement alarm being generated by unwanted events, that their favorite candidate’s goose is looking more and more like it is being cooked. That Corvy also tried this meme on for size (is Morning Joe peddling it?) is revealing.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    I love it when presumed white guys, maybe even liberals, opine on what is or is not offensive to minorities when the joke is delivered by another minority.

    I'm not a fan of the endless double standards that exist for race but this was a stupid political move.

    Bigley.

    A swing state could be decided by the thousands. You want to be reaching voters and not pissing them off with some bitter comedian. There are Hispanics that will find the joke to be insulting and the media of course will replay it 10,000 times.

    This was just dumb but who am I to judge the political strategy of Trump Tribe.

    "we are gonna win this year, the polls are wrong"

    Trump Tribe 2020

    Replies: @Curle

  249. @Anon
    @Linus

    There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump's behavior.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar, @Precious

    ‘There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump’s behavior.’

    There’s ample proof, but more important is the way the bulk of the media functions as an arm of the Democratic Party and the ‘progressive’ agenda in general, and the way Jews are simultaneously so powerful and so biased in favor of a series of extremely pernicious ideas.

    These are actually the most serious obstacles we face, and until it is admitted, I’m skeptical we’ll get anywhere.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Corn
    @Colin Wright


    There’s ample proof
     
    This is a great article:

    https://tinyurl.com/2hjhrcp4

    One excerpt from that article:

    Well, first of all, that mantra....: "All the cases, all the courts ruled against Trump." First of all, that is not true. Most of the cases were rejected on very technical jurisdictional grounds, like a case brought by a voter, rather than the candidate himself.
     
    Liberals often boast “Trump didn’t win in court”. But it’s not that courts found no evidence of fraud, they just found excuses not to deal with the issue.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    Yes, there’s ample proof that Powell and Guillani purposely lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Curle
    @Colin Wright

    Anon says “[t]here is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed.” You contradict him and Corvinus tries to contradict you peddling the same line as Anon. Corn, relying to you gets it right saying


    Most of the cases were rejected on very technical jurisdictional grounds,
     
    Exactly. Most state election systems are built upon the premise that electoral challenges are to be discouraged not that the courts are there to ensure fraud never happens. The unfortunate side effect of this is that fraud is easy to commit and hard to catch. Tolerance for some amount of fraud is assumed and built into the cake. Politicians writing election laws don’t want it to be too easy to overturn elections or force recounts. Recounts are incredibly expensive. Electoral challenges are expensive. Government officials have other things to do.

    When Corvy imagines that surviving an election challenge proves that the election was clean he’s either a bigger fool than previously assumed or he’s being disingenuous. This is why I point to the King County, Washington 2004 general election as an example. There was no doubt what happened, that approx. 1000 ballots entered the ballot stream that shouldn’t have entered the ballot stream because the same number of ballots had been removed from the invalid ballot security cage run by the county elections office. Given the fact that the margin of victory for the winning statewide candidate was less than that candidate’s presumed extra share of the statewide vote attributable to the normal countywide distribution of the vote in the county where the invalid votes were counted (70/30 split in favor of the D winner over the R loser), the Rs argued that the statewide vote count should be reduced by the county in question’s distribution of the R/D vote for the 1000 some counted invalid ballots. Doing so would have made the R the winner. The court said no, that they wouldn’t speculate as to the exact distribution of the tranche in question and an earlier court had allowed the identifying ballot envelopes for the ballots in question to be destroyed. The crime was allowed to stand as being without a remedy.

    Curvy, you will notice, doesn’t consider cases like this to be evidence of fraud.
  250. @Wilkey
    @AnotherDad


    Normie/traditionalist angst–worry over the declining condition of social conditions for traditional family life–was cultivated and tapped, but actual pushback against the destruction, much less actual “pro-family” policy was–still is–essentially non-existent.
     
    Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is *the* biggest issue facing the West - more important than balancing the budget and more important, even, than immigration (though reducing immigration would probably help boost native fertility rates). If we don’t reverse the decline in birthrates then nothing else matters.

    Replies: @Mark G., @AnotherDad

    Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is *the* biggest issue facing the West – more important than balancing the budget and more important, even, than immigration (though reducing immigration would probably help boost native fertility rates). If we don’t reverse the decline in birthrates then nothing else matters.

    Wilkey, I’m usually 100% on board with your comments, but disagree here. Fertility is in 2nd place–actually way behind–immigration.

    Yeah, in some sort of very linear mathematical sense, obviously birth rates must turn around or we die out. But that’s simply not going to happen. We already know how to raise birthrates. Your Mormon brothers and sisters are doing it. Kaganovitch’s Orthodox Jews are really doing it. The Amish are really doing it. (Hey, where’s the iSteve Amish commenter anyway?) Nations that want to win will embark on an AnotherDad style eugenic fertility enhancement program. But even if we do not, we have sub-populations with above replacement TFR. Making babies isn’t that hard. People will not die out.

    As I’ve said the way to think about this is “modernity is an environmental shock”, and we are now selecting for people who reproduce under modern conditions. There will be a “breeder recovery”. And as populations decline, the resources and opportunities get better and better. People will not die out.

    Immigration is wildly different. It is like dumping pepper into the salt. It’s simply not salt anymore. Entropy has increased and it would take a whole lot of energy–applied quite unpleasantly–to get back to your bowl of salt.

    I’ve offered the example of Japan. It is in outright population decline. But if it does not succumb to the siren call–“immigration, immigration, must have immigration!”–of the immigration loons, it will slump down … and then recover. Reg sent on link a few months back of a couple Japanese towns that had decided to make themselves fertility friendly and now had solidly above replacement TFR. Maybe they’ll only be 60 million, or 40 million or 20 million Japanese, but they’ll still have their nation.

    No there are going to be people around–around right here in America … and Canada, Australia, Europe, the West. The question is “who will those people be?”

    • Agree: Pixo
    • Thanks: deep anonymous
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @AnotherDad

    "As I’ve said the way to think about this is “modernity is an environmental shock”, and we are now selecting for people who reproduce under modern conditions."

    To, as the kids say, "unpack" this a little...

    It's necessary to make a distinction between "modernity" which is an immovable existential condition surrounding and permeating all humanity, and "contemporaneity" which is simply the particular set of societal and political conditions which we happen to occupy at present, and which can be changed if we can muster the collective will to do so.

    As I say, Modernity cannot really be changed except through Forces of History, but the particulars and evanescent structures of the contemporary scene can be changed. And the harsh, plain reality of the contemporary scene is, America is ruled solely, and ruled with an iron fist, by Organized Jewry. Jews (consciously, and as Jews not Americans or "fellow whites") control every single choke point, institution and path to power in this country; and Jewry cares only about its own interests, its own will to power, and its own goals -- and, again sadly but truthfully, the main and constant goal of Organized Jewry, as revealed plainly by its actions, is the destruction of America and the annihilation and erasure of the white race through mass immigration, fertility restriction, and systematic soft genocide.

    The resurgence of White Fertility, a necessary foundation of White survival and the premise of AD's original comment, cannot occur or be made to occur under the conditions of the existing Jewish regime. The plain fact seems to be -- at least as observed in the past few generations -- that whites do not breed well in captivity. And in America, whites are wholly captive to Diversity. There are specific society and hypo-society reasons why Diversity and healthy white fertility are not compatible, but in brief: 1) non-whites in proximity to whites are always parasitic on whites; 2) non-whites in proximity to whites are always envious and hostile to whites, and thwart white interests whenever it is in their power to do so, which at present is always; and 3) non-white males nearly universally prefer white females whenever they can get them, which sets up numerically impossible conditions of competition for white males.

    Only white male/white female combination produces actual white offspring, so any other combination reduces overall white population. Non-stop negro and Jewish obsession with white females was bad enough, but throw in Arabs, Muslims, subcons, Latinos, and a tidal wave of new unwanted Africans and the thing is completely insupportible. Add to this that traditional white courtship and mating patterns are more subtle and nuanced than Third World customs, especially gut-bucket negro sexuality (the memorable phrase of Black critic Stanley Crouch), that white women, when not captured by Crudeness of Color, and merely worn down, exhausted and demoralized by it: not a fertile ground for white family formation.

    In the current situation, whites cannot co-exist with non-whites. Whites can only comfortably form families, breed and raise their children in peace and quiet in white-supermajority populations and territories. We tried the (Jewish) experiment and it failed --- for whites, that is; for Jews who wish to exterminate whites, Diversity has been a rousing triumph.

    There must be a determined political push either for secession and partition along white/non-white lines; or else there must be a radical re-arrangement of the current American practical political consensus, allowing for the legal, Constitutionally-ratified existence of large, viable, extensive exclusively whites-only communities, cities, territories and populations.

    This is going to have to be an ultimatum situation: no room for negotiation, no ground ceded, and NO JEWS, EVER. It is a sad pass we have come to, but we did not create this path, Organized Jewry and its traitorous hostile allies did. This is life or death. Sad to say it, but here we stand, at the very edge of the precipice.

    What comes next is going to take a lot of discussion, a lot of planning, a lot of action and a lot of will. But it must be done; the Jews have left us no other option.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Alden

  251. @Chrisnonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think it is easy to get caught up in things, what with the "divine" bullet-dodge and whatnot. However, Trump had the enthusiasm and the momentum in 2020 too, but it wasn't enough. The Republicans squandered (on purpose?) the last four years, and all the structural problems that helped Biden are still in place. Plus, the abortion voters.

    I want to hope, but I suspect there will be a narrow Harris victory.

    People expecting a Trumpslide need to remember the 2022 Red Wave that never materialized.

    If Trump does win, I think there will be an internal battle within the administration between a "tech" faction that wants essentially progressive policies (immigration, strong government support of technological competition with China, continuing GAE entanglements) with non-woke governing norms (free speech, no court packing, less DEI and AA) and a "hard-core" faction that is mildly isolationist and protectionist. The "tech" faction will win out. Expect no one inside the White House to be for extreme measures like actually closing the border, deporting recent immigrants, or dismantling the DHS/DNI construct.

    But I suspect a narrow Harris victory followed by four more years of anonymous White House persons actually running the government while the media cover up Harris/Walz gaffs. Without charismatic leadership, it will be difficult for Dems to push through big changes in gun laws, court packing, etc. However, Reps will continue to bend over for the border.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    However, Trump had the enthusiasm and the momentum in 2020 too, but it wasn’t enough.

    Trump was trailing Biden by 7.9% in the national polls and he was trailing in all the swing states on this date in 2020.

    • Agree: Curle
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Glad you were right!!

  252. Rob Zubrin just said he voted for Harris.

    i regret ever taking him seriously about Mars.

    certain people who wear small hats care much more about that stuff than even their life’s work.

    plus he’s just wrong in his explanation of why he voted the way he did. the Ukraine-Russia conflict is not very relevant to the SpaceX Mars mission. conversely, a Harris administration is VERY relevant to stopping the SpaceX Mars mission from happening.

    what a fraud. not the first fraud exposed by the current political rift of course. half the people you thought were on your side for the last 50 years turned out to not be on your side at all when push came to shove.

  253. @Anon
    @Linus

    There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump's behavior.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar, @Precious

    There is zero proof it was stolen.

    There is plenty of evidence that it was corrupt. And still is. There is funny stuff going down in the Quaker State at the moment. (Boy, is that epithet ever obsolete!)

    Democrats themselves assert fundamental, even internationally universal practices such as demanding ID and requiring citizenship to be “supression”– the precise opposite of their position on guns. (Illinois should require its own FOID in order to vote.) It’s an undemocratic, twisted twist on Blackstone– better to let ten unqualified provisional ballots through than to deny a single qualified one. The after-midnight “blue shift” is a grey area by its very nature.

    Charles King won in Liberia in 1927 with over 1,400% of the registered voters. Can anybody say he wouldn’t have won anyway, in a fair election? Would that make it legitimate?

    “Zero proof that it was stolen” is only an admission that any rigging was superfluous, not that it didn’t take place. This is still Richard Daley’s party after all, not Eugene McCarthy’s. Te one which overturned one of the clearest election results ever, 1972’s.

  254. ‘AI’ is predicting Harris will eke out a win:

    Vice President Kamala Harris is on track to narrowly win the 2024 presidential election, according to a new analysis based on artificial intelligence (AI), with 276 Electoral College votes against 262 for Republican rival Donald Trump.

    British betting company Bonus Code Bets asked ChatGPT, an AI language model developed by OpenAI, to assess which candidate would win each state based on publicly available polling information, demographics and historic election results. It concluded that Harris would win the key swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada, but lose in Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-will-win-the-election-ai-predicts-electoral-college-map/ar-AA1tcw1o

  255. @CalCooledge
    @William H Bonnie

    East coast media don't know this, but there isn't automatic solidarity among Spanish speakers. Mexicans and Central Americans probably think the PR joke was hilarious.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    East coast media don’t know this, but there isn’t automatic solidarity among Spanish speakers. Mexicans and Central Americans probably think the PR joke was hilarious.

    Puerto Ricans apparently got and enjoyed the joke as well. Their “shadow senator” endorsed Trump shortly thereafter.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    Puerto Ricans apparently got and enjoyed the joke as well. Their “shadow senator” endorsed Trump shortly thereafter.

    I had no idea that all Puerto Ricans voted on the joke and that they have a representative.

    I get annoyed when I see liberals "apologize on behalf of Whites" without taking a vote.

    But I guess for Puerto Ricans they have some type of racial union with a voting system.

  256. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    It’s always a good idea to insult one of the largest political groups before an election.
     
    I love it when presumed white guys, maybe even liberals, opine on what is or is not offensive to minorities when the joke is delivered by another minority. In this instance it has the salubrious effect of demonstrating alarm, not over the act in question, but the kind of displacement alarm being generated by unwanted events, that their favorite candidate’s goose is looking more and more like it is being cooked. That Corvy also tried this meme on for size (is Morning Joe peddling it?) is revealing.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I love it when presumed white guys, maybe even liberals, opine on what is or is not offensive to minorities when the joke is delivered by another minority.

    I’m not a fan of the endless double standards that exist for race but this was a stupid political move.

    Bigley.

    A swing state could be decided by the thousands. You want to be reaching voters and not pissing them off with some bitter comedian. There are Hispanics that will find the joke to be insulting and the media of course will replay it 10,000 times.

    This was just dumb but who am I to judge the political strategy of Trump Tribe.

    “we are gonna win this year, the polls are wrong”

    Trump Tribe 2020

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson

    You should leave campaign strategy to the practitioners.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  257. @Reg Cæsar
    @CalCooledge


    East coast media don’t know this, but there isn’t automatic solidarity among Spanish speakers. Mexicans and Central Americans probably think the PR joke was hilarious.
     
    Puerto Ricans apparently got and enjoyed the joke as well. Their "shadow senator" endorsed Trump shortly thereafter.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Puerto Ricans apparently got and enjoyed the joke as well. Their “shadow senator” endorsed Trump shortly thereafter.

    I had no idea that all Puerto Ricans voted on the joke and that they have a representative.

    I get annoyed when I see liberals “apologize on behalf of Whites” without taking a vote.

    But I guess for Puerto Ricans they have some type of racial union with a voting system.

  258. @John Johnson
    @epebble

    It's always a good idea to insult one of the largest political groups before an election.

    Maybe Trump should also make some PMS jokes. He could do a bit on female emotionalism right before having a wrestler or rapper give an endorsement. Maybe he could also rant about cultural decline and those f-cking Democrats.

    Replies: @Curle, @epebble

  259. @Santoculto
    Kamala is XXY.

    Replies: @Anymike

    Let’s take the idea seriously. The condition you probably are thinking of is complete androgen insensitvity syndrome (CAIS), not the XXY genotype. The simple reason why it has to be androgen insensitivity is because both XXY abd XXXY individuals develop into phenotypic males albeit with anomalous characteristics. In any case, I am expert on this topic because I saw it once on Dr. House and because I just did a little cursory research, which is more than most people do online even though they have the internet.

    I saw the claim once that perhaps Marilyn Monroe was a CAIS phenotypic female. The person who suggested this said that CAIS females often are extremely good looking and exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. Harris in her young adult years was deemed good looking but she also exhibits levels of aggresion and combativeness that could characterized as masculine.

    Another phenoptypic expression of CAIS is the absence of female internal reproductive anatomy. CAIS females are therefore always childless.

    Knowing these facts, you arrive at a similar situation to the one you have with athletes and suspicions that they may be using or have used performance enhancing drugs (PEDs). Aside from the physical changes PEDs produce, the salient symptom of PED use is enhanced performance. As a consequence, any time you see enhanced performance, you have to consider PED use.

    It may be the case that some considerable portion of athletes who perform at a high level have used PEDs. In the case of CAIS females, the incidence of CAIS is at the most one in 40,000 births. Nevertheless, you see the manifestations childlessness, good looks and extremes of attention-getting behavior and the thought has to at least cross your mind. It raises the odds. Though to what? One in 5000? One in a thousand?

    Whatever the odds are, it’s not very likely. But not likely is not the same things as impossible. Dig up a some thousands of women who fit the profile who are celebrities and public figures, and, good chance, you’ll find one. I said one. Not a bunch. One. It’s not a common syndrome.

  260. The book of Wisdom calls speech a spark to move our heart. How felicitous. The wisdom there though was actually that the unwise believe our breath is only smoke and our speech but a spark. Yet as St. James says, “the tongue is a fire,” and “Behold how small a fire kindleth a great wood.”

    I was thinking about that because the election looks likely to come down to Pennsylvania, to the margins in Philadelphia we may imagine—and the Rocky movies always seem to wind up as they do with a speech, good or bad.

    To wit, herewith a reading on Rocky that might be worth learning, which never got mentioned though it seems obvious once you notice it.

    Stallone’s franchise, through the fifth movie at least, ended up demonstrating a special kind of aesthetic which may be variously stated as this. That God exalts the humble. Or as this, that those who deny themselves become who they are. Or you could put it this way, that though appearances are often deceiving, there can be beauty so fitting it turns out to be true. That is when we may say something godly has been done, and, marveling at the way the pieces fell into place, thank the angels for pulling off a more perfect work of art than we ourselves could have ever planned or designed.

    What I am talking about begins with the fact, the truth that is plain for anyone who watches the movies to see, that Rocky never looked like any great boxer, no not at all. By putting his awkward inability on display at long shots of him and Apollo, Stallone did a humble thing, and sacrificed an image he could have guarded. Rocky was beloved for being an underdog and his virtue was dogged endurance. But he apparently was what he appeared to be: less, far less an athlete than a workhorse. None of his fights looked good.

    Then at last the hero showed us something new. What he had in fact been the entire time we witness him become in one scene: a swift and fiery street fighter from Philadelphia. He fought the fight against Tommy Gunn so convincingly, and, for the first time, looked like such a natural doing it, that we have to say his reputation as an underdog with an awkward style who had to hang in there to stand a chance in the end got replaced on the spot. In a sudden, Rocky rose to the occasion and brawled with the beauty of a warrior poet, when you didn’t even know if he’d ever fight again. They saved the best fight scene of the franchise for last, and it opened with an elegant flame: you knew the hero was about to be invincible when he delivered that unbeatable line to the bully: “You knocked him down: Why don’t you try knocking me down.”

    Overall, some of the fights were fatuous and some of the speeches didn’t rise above the moronic. But the emotional core you cared about was always there, and carried you through the antics. It was as if with Rocky there was a story and there was a string of events. The latter plotted a punchy leg-breaker become a champion prizefighter midst all the hoopla and celebrity of an unlikely hero ushered into a modern world.

    The story though, that was about a man you understood like someone you always knew, and he never changed; you always trusted him, and if no one has said it before it is yet not too much to say now, that he might have been something else very special, he might have been, yes, a saint.

    But the story is set in a tough city and unfolds in the midst of a rough neighborhood, and is not about a guy who doesn’t fit in with where he is from. And the line he gave Tommy Gun, when it was when and where would the match occur, was so naturally tough that the idea illumined right there that nothing til then had really been true, in the sense that the hero had not actually been where he was, not til he said, “My ring’s outside” and then went out and lit up the night like some violent torch—and revealed he’d been the king of the streets all along.

  261. MAGA’s Kremlin friends…

    (Corvinus)

    The other Putin lovers…

    (John Johnson)

    This sort of thing cannot be branded with too much contempt.

    Like Jeffrey Sachs, I think American policy toward Russia, from the fall of the Soviet Union in 1992 through the launch of the “Special Military Operation” in 2022, was almost unbelievably foolish & provocative. I think it led to the war in Ukraine, and was meant to.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @vinteuil

    Like Jeffrey Sachs, I think American policy toward Russia, from the fall of the Soviet Union in 1992 through the launch of the “Special Military Operation” in 2022, was almost unbelievably foolish & provocative. I think it led to the war in Ukraine, and was meant to.

    Do you think Putin should have invaded Finland since Putin's war directly led to the Finnish people wanting to abandon neutrality?

    The pro-Russian separatists were loyal to Putin and fought for him. Were they rewarded with independent Republics as his decreed or is that area part of Russia now?

    Just wondering why you think the West is at fault when DRP/LPR were betrayed by Putin. Is it not possible for Putin to be the aggressor?

  262. @AnotherDad
    @vinteuil


    Once upon a time, SS passionately opposed the neocons.
     
    Uh ... maybe Steve opposed the policy of the neocons--unnecessary war.

    And now Steve opposes the policy of Putin--unnecessary war.

    Occam's razor: Steve's just not a big fan of war?

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mike Tre, @vinteuil

    Steve’s just not a big fan of war?

    Hey, who is?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @vinteuil

    "Hey, who is?"

    The military-industrial complex is a big fan of war. Wars lead to more profits from weapon sales.

    Big American corporations like wars that enable them to get their hands on foreign mineral resources. For example, Lindsey Graham, a big supporter of our proxy war in the Ukraine, has talked about the 12 trillion dollars in mineral resources there.

    https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/06/13/ukraine-12-trillion-minerals-west-china-russia/

    The American government has been working for years to put in place and keep in place a pro-American government in the Ukraine. Back in 2013 Victoria Nuland said we had spent five billion dollars to influence the course of events there.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-damage-victoria-nuland-has-done/

    , @Colin Wright
    @vinteuil


    'Steve’s just not a big fan of war?

    Hey, who is?'
     
    Depends on the speaker, and it depends on the war.

    Oliver Wendell Holmes (who knew whereof he spoke) on the American Civil War and his memories of it:

    '...But, nevertheless, the generation that carried on the war has been set apart by its experience. Through our great good fortune, in our youth our hearts were touched with fire. It was given to us to learn at the outset that life is a profound and passionate thing. While we are permitted to scorn nothing but indifference, and do not pretend to undervalue the worldly rewards of ambition, we have seen with our own eyes, beyond and above the gold fields, the snowy heights of honor, and it is for us to bear the report to those who come after us...'
  263. @vinteuil
    @AnotherDad


    Steve’s just not a big fan of war?
     
    Hey, who is?

    Replies: @Mark G., @Colin Wright

    “Hey, who is?”

    The military-industrial complex is a big fan of war. Wars lead to more profits from weapon sales.

    Big American corporations like wars that enable them to get their hands on foreign mineral resources. For example, Lindsey Graham, a big supporter of our proxy war in the Ukraine, has talked about the 12 trillion dollars in mineral resources there.

    https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/06/13/ukraine-12-trillion-minerals-west-china-russia/

    The American government has been working for years to put in place and keep in place a pro-American government in the Ukraine. Back in 2013 Victoria Nuland said we had spent five billion dollars to influence the course of events there.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-damage-victoria-nuland-has-done/

  264. @vinteuil

    MAGA’s Kremlin friends...
     
    (Corvinus)

    The other Putin lovers...
     
    (John Johnson)

    This sort of thing cannot be branded with too much contempt.

    Like Jeffrey Sachs, I think American policy toward Russia, from the fall of the Soviet Union in 1992 through the launch of the "Special Military Operation" in 2022, was almost unbelievably foolish & provocative. I think it led to the war in Ukraine, and was meant to.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Like Jeffrey Sachs, I think American policy toward Russia, from the fall of the Soviet Union in 1992 through the launch of the “Special Military Operation” in 2022, was almost unbelievably foolish & provocative. I think it led to the war in Ukraine, and was meant to.

    Do you think Putin should have invaded Finland since Putin’s war directly led to the Finnish people wanting to abandon neutrality?

    The pro-Russian separatists were loyal to Putin and fought for him. Were they rewarded with independent Republics as his decreed or is that area part of Russia now?

    Just wondering why you think the West is at fault when DRP/LPR were betrayed by Putin. Is it not possible for Putin to be the aggressor?

  265. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    I love it when presumed white guys, maybe even liberals, opine on what is or is not offensive to minorities when the joke is delivered by another minority.

    I'm not a fan of the endless double standards that exist for race but this was a stupid political move.

    Bigley.

    A swing state could be decided by the thousands. You want to be reaching voters and not pissing them off with some bitter comedian. There are Hispanics that will find the joke to be insulting and the media of course will replay it 10,000 times.

    This was just dumb but who am I to judge the political strategy of Trump Tribe.

    "we are gonna win this year, the polls are wrong"

    Trump Tribe 2020

    Replies: @Curle

    You should leave campaign strategy to the practitioners.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    A similar statement was in made in the last election.

    I was in fact scolded by Trump Tribe at this very website for questioning the campaign.

    Trump's campaign manager is clueless.

    We are close to an election and they chose to have a rally in a Harris state with a comedian that insulted a minority group.

    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult. Such fine people that show up for a convicted felon who once fundraised for Hillary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yN0Pru9fNQ

    Replies: @epebble, @Curle

  266. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    You should leave campaign strategy to the practitioners.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    A similar statement was in made in the last election.

    I was in fact scolded by Trump Tribe at this very website for questioning the campaign.

    Trump’s campaign manager is clueless.

    We are close to an election and they chose to have a rally in a Harris state with a comedian that insulted a minority group.

    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult. Such fine people that show up for a convicted felon who once fundraised for Hillary.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @John Johnson

    It was an "Energize the Base", not, "Enlarge the Tent" revival.

    , @Curle
    @John Johnson


    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.
     
    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

  267. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    A similar statement was in made in the last election.

    I was in fact scolded by Trump Tribe at this very website for questioning the campaign.

    Trump's campaign manager is clueless.

    We are close to an election and they chose to have a rally in a Harris state with a comedian that insulted a minority group.

    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult. Such fine people that show up for a convicted felon who once fundraised for Hillary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yN0Pru9fNQ

    Replies: @epebble, @Curle

    It was an “Energize the Base“, not, “Enlarge the Tent” revival.

  268. @TrumpWon
    @Jonathan Mason

    That's the biggest problem with immigration. What are we doing, trying to "naturalize" foreigners anyway? Why do we need to ever do this? We already have plenty of citizens. If people come and want to work and live, and behave themselves, and pay taxes thats fine, they can get a Work Visa or maybe under very rare circumstances, Permanent Residency, but that should NEVER involve citizenship. They should not get that and nor should any kids they have.

    Replies: @Sick n' Tired

    We should not be paying to house, feed, transport, financially support, or provide free medical care for any foreigner who wants to live here either. They should either provide a skill or service that will be a benefit to us all, not be an immediate drain of resources and services.

    Let all these bleeding hearts who champion for open borders sponsor as many illegals as they can feed and house on their own dime, instead of virtue signaling with our tax dollars. Also make it a stipulation, that if any of the illegals these water heads sponsor commit a crime, the sponsor serves the sentence with them. See how quickly the flood at the border dries up.

  269. @Houston 1992
    @AnotherDad

    As China races ahead of the USA , the. That may burst the bubbles that our elites reside in , and perhaps then they will , if only of necessity , become more realistic

    Replies: @Sick n' Tired

    Our elites know where things are headed and have their bug out plans in place. Buying super yachts, and building bunkers in isolated, resource rich (fresh water/good climate) islands like Hawaii & New Zealand, as well as compounds in Patagonia, which are all difficult for the unwashed masses to travel to when it’s time to put their heads on a pike.

  270. @John Johnson
    @vinteuil

    Oh, and, yeah – when it comes to Russia & Ukraine? Is there any distance between Steve Sailer and Victoria Nuland?

    Outside of Unz it is normal to support Ukraine. The UN voted 143-5 that Russia's invasion was unjust and that the land belongs to Ukraine.

    Are you that offended by Steve disagreeing with you? Does that keep you up at night?

    Also do explain this obsession with Nuland. Let's hear a rational explanation of how a mid level government administrator changed the Ukrainian government even though the pro-Russian president was removed by Ukrainian parliament and was disavowed as a criminal by his own party. Did she make Yukanovich take millions in bribes? Did she use her magic Jew powers to make him loot his own mansion and flee to Russia? His former mansion is now a public museum of corruption. Tourists can view the lavish spending such as a $35k light fixture that cost more than his annual salary.

    Or maybe a better idea would be to find a pro-Putin website like MOA where they will censor the full story in favor of "Putin the victim of US Jews" which as a narrative completely falls apart in an open forum. It holds up about as well as young earth creationism or liberal race denial.

    Go ahead, dazzle us with a rational explanation. The other Putin lovers would be thrilled as they have been unable to explain it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @vinteuil

    Oh, and – let the record note that Art Deco agreed with an even more than usually silly John Johnson post.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @vinteuil

    Oh, and – let the record note that Art Deco agreed with an even more than usually silly John Johnson post.

    Let the record note that you didn't answer a single question about Maidan and Yannukovych.

    The narrative of "Nuland caused a coup with Jewish witch powers" doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Just because it's repeated on pro-Putin blogs doesn't make it true.

    You have proven that once again which I'm sure disappointed the Putin fans that were hoping for a least a shred of rationality in your response.

    Go find a bootlicking website where they censor critical thinking just like the Russian state they adore.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  271. What will happen on Election Day? Trump will get more votes than Kamala in all the swing states, then the Democrat controlled election operations in urban districts will manufacture enough fake mail-in ballots to paper over the differences, and Kamala will be declared the winner a week later. A replay of 2020. Except this time no Trump voters will dare protest the stolen election on Jan 6.

    Or possibly a C140 with 10 million overseas ballots minted for Kamala will leave Kiev at midnight EST after the polls close and touch down at Andrew’s Air Force the next morning.

  272. @vinteuil
    @AnotherDad


    Steve’s just not a big fan of war?
     
    Hey, who is?

    Replies: @Mark G., @Colin Wright

    ‘Steve’s just not a big fan of war?

    Hey, who is?’

    Depends on the speaker, and it depends on the war.

    Oliver Wendell Holmes (who knew whereof he spoke) on the American Civil War and his memories of it:

    ‘…But, nevertheless, the generation that carried on the war has been set apart by its experience. Through our great good fortune, in our youth our hearts were touched with fire. It was given to us to learn at the outset that life is a profound and passionate thing. While we are permitted to scorn nothing but indifference, and do not pretend to undervalue the worldly rewards of ambition, we have seen with our own eyes, beyond and above the gold fields, the snowy heights of honor, and it is for us to bear the report to those who come after us…’

  273. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mark G.


    There are still people alive now who personally observed an era where marriage and having children was the norm.
     
    And that was among blacks!

    https://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Black-Women-Historical-Marriage-1890-to-2010.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @epebble

    Interesting. So, throughout the first half of 20th century, as many White women were unmarried (above 35 years) as now? How were they living? depending on father, brothers, strangers? It seems unlikely that many of them would be in unmarried relationship with a man. Maybe they had jobs that allowed spinster lifestyle. Still, an aspect of recent history that I don’t know much about. Thanks.

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @epebble


    "So, throughout the first half of 20th century, as many White women were unmarried (above 35 years) as now?"
     
    No. The caption says, "Never Married." But in those days, there was no no-fault divorce, and so the vast majority of other White women were, and remained, married, whether happily or not, and on average had more kids than White women today.
  274. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    A similar statement was in made in the last election.

    I was in fact scolded by Trump Tribe at this very website for questioning the campaign.

    Trump's campaign manager is clueless.

    We are close to an election and they chose to have a rally in a Harris state with a comedian that insulted a minority group.

    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult. Such fine people that show up for a convicted felon who once fundraised for Hillary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yN0Pru9fNQ

    Replies: @epebble, @Curle

    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.

    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle


    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.
     
    Midwits, or halfwits-- or trolls? Agent Johnson on Hood's thread:

    "Could go either way but the Democrats really screwed up by running Harris. Running someone like Walz would be an easy win against Trump."


    https://www.unz.com/ghood/how-the-races-will-vote/#comment-6832118


    Even the Hindustan Times is closer to reality. I will concede that ex-NRA Walz does have the school-shooter vote in his back pocket (where his Chinese condoms once were kept), with the notable exception of Thomas Crooks.

    https://twitter.com/GayRepublicSwag/status/1847878488356802643

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/elmer-fudd-tim-walz.jpg

    https://mobilize-uploads-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/event/20241010-Mobilize.us-Digital_Banner-Coalition-Out-Organizing_call%20%281%29_20241005213659029365.jpg

    , @John Johnson
    @Curle


    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.

     

    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Well why don't you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.

    Do explain how this is an efficient use of time and resources in an extremely tight presidential race.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Curle, @Precious

  275. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Colin Wright

    I will take your word on that. Forgive me. I did then read and notice that a lot of her positions are right on.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    I will take your word on that. Forgive me. I did then read and notice that a lot of her positions are right on.

    Yeah, she’s a bit like a blunderbuss. A hell of a lot of shot goes off in unfortunate directions — but at least at close range, she’s pretty effective.

    …and that grin! She could make a fortune endorsing toothpaste.

    I want her in the cabinet. It will definitely be turning over a new leaf…until J.D.Vance finally can’t take it any more and clubs her to death with a chair. Regardless. Good times.

  276. The elections will change nothing. As always

  277. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.
     
    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Midwits, or halfwits– or trolls? Agent Johnson on Hood’s thread:

    “Could go either way but the Democrats really screwed up by running Harris. Running someone like Walz would be an easy win against Trump.”

    https://www.unz.com/ghood/how-the-races-will-vote/#comment-6832118

    Even the Hindustan Times is closer to reality. I will concede that ex-NRA Walz does have the school-shooter vote in his back pocket (where his Chinese condoms once were kept), with the notable exception of Thomas Crooks.

    [MORE]


    • LOL: Curle
  278. @vinteuil
    @John Johnson

    Oh, and - let the record note that Art Deco agreed with an even more than usually silly John Johnson post.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Oh, and – let the record note that Art Deco agreed with an even more than usually silly John Johnson post.

    Let the record note that you didn’t answer a single question about Maidan and Yannukovych.

    The narrative of “Nuland caused a coup with Jewish witch powers” doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Just because it’s repeated on pro-Putin blogs doesn’t make it true.

    You have proven that once again which I’m sure disappointed the Putin fans that were hoping for a least a shred of rationality in your response.

    Go find a bootlicking website where they censor critical thinking just like the Russian state they adore.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @John Johnson

    You forgot to mention Putin being short.

  279. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.
     
    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.

    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.

    Do explain how this is an efficient use of time and resources in an extremely tight presidential race.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%."

    It was in NYC and therefore guaranteed to get a lot of media coverage nationwide.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Curle
    @John Johnson


    Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.
     
    Not being a midwit I neither presume to know what experienced people in a particular field know nor do I spend time guessing. So, to answer your question I called a former elected friend with lots of experience with campaigns. Here’s that person’s response: “can you think of a better way to get free media a week out from an election?” So, there you have it.

    Your other midwit question about Puerto Rican’s has been addressed by others; namely, that your proposition that the audience was insulted constitutes the kind of claim lawyers refer to as ‘claim without the benefit of supportive facts introduced into evidence.”

    Have a nice day.
    , @Precious
    @John Johnson


    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.
     
    You aren't up on Puerto Rico news, so I will explain why the comedian roasted, not insulted, Puerto Rico and why Puerto Ricans found that roast joke funny.

    The Biden administration and Puerto Rico have been in some kind of dispute since 2022 when the federal government provided money to clean up the mountain of trash Puerto Rico has been generating and... not cleaning up. The corrupt Puerto Rican government embezzled much of it, and the trash problem...marginally improved? This is a source of frustration for Puerto Rican residents.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

  280. Putin fans

    Oh, c’mon, JJ – you know you want to say it: Putin fanboys!

    • LOL: Mark G.
  281. @Kaiser Wilhelm
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is always something MAJORLY wrong with anyone who poohs poohs abortion, because abortion is the child sacrifice of the Modernist rebirthing of Semitic Fertility Cult.

    I doubt that you are a combination of ignorant enough and stupid enough ton true think that anti-abortion votes have been given everything by Republicans and have given nothing (I assume meaning working hard to elect Republican candidates) back Republicans. That means I must assume you are knowingly polluting the waters.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Reg Cæsar, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Like every anti-abortion zealot, you hold bizarre religious views. In fact, you are a nut. The funny thing about you guys is that you are singularly lacking in compassion. You beat your chest about loving embryos, but would bring an endless stream of deformed, retarded children into the world for the sole purpose of suffering. Because you think that’s what Jesus wants? You think Jesus is a psycho sadist?

    This is beyond stupid. As I’ve pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). They happen all the time. No one has performed more abortions than God Almighty.

  282. @John Johnson
    @Curle


    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.

     

    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Well why don't you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.

    Do explain how this is an efficient use of time and resources in an extremely tight presidential race.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Curle, @Precious

    “Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.”

    It was in NYC and therefore guaranteed to get a lot of media coverage nationwide.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @James B. Shearer


    Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

     

    It was in NYC and therefore guaranteed to get a lot of media coverage nationwide.

    Yes and his comment was picked up by practically every liberal media outlet and repeated as part of a narrative that he is racist.

    How is that good for his campaign?

    Replies: @epebble, @James B. Shearer, @Curle

  283. @John Johnson
    @Curle


    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.

     

    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Well why don't you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.

    Do explain how this is an efficient use of time and resources in an extremely tight presidential race.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Curle, @Precious

    Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

    Not being a midwit I neither presume to know what experienced people in a particular field know nor do I spend time guessing. So, to answer your question I called a former elected friend with lots of experience with campaigns. Here’s that person’s response: “can you think of a better way to get free media a week out from an election?” So, there you have it.

    Your other midwit question about Puerto Rican’s has been addressed by others; namely, that your proposition that the audience was insulted constitutes the kind of claim lawyers refer to as ‘claim without the benefit of supportive facts introduced into evidence.”

    Have a nice day.

  284. Harris will win the popular vote by at least 1% but no more than 2%. Let’s split the difference and say 1.5%.

    Trump will squeak by in the electoral college, because Democrats like to live in the same 15 urban states.

  285. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    the massive voter lie
     
    Another of your many comments revealing your childishness. Were you an adult, which you aren’t, you’d understand that groups of people tend to act consistently with their general group traits. There has always been voter fraud particularly among the D coalition and particularly in urban areas. That’s a fact. The more you reduce the barriers to voter fraud as we’ve done with mail voting, and the more you are in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general, the more frequent it will be. Dishonest people don’t limit themselves to breaking into homes and holding up citizens.

    There is no real deterrence when the authorities are in on the crime or turn a blind eye because election challenges have impossible to meet standards for proving fraud. For instance, in the 2004 general election in the King County, Washington, there were more than 1000 invalid ballots that mysteriously found there way from the secure invalid ballots cage to be counted on election night likely making the difference in a close gubernatorial race in favor of the D. King County is. 70% D county and the election workers who made this error (?) that none confessed to were patronage hires of the D Executive. The judge who heard the challenge wouldn’t or couldn’t take proportions into consideration when adjudicating the election, proportions that would have changed the outcome (reducing the 1000 ballots proportionate of the D and R vote ) and so by introducing 1000 invalid ballots into the vote stream ambiguity which greatly favored Ds likely changed the result and was allowed to stand. This is how voter fraud is effectuated; by introducing ambiguity into the ballot counting process in jurisdictions that favor one party over another.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Another of your many comments revealing your childishness”.

    JFC, grow up.

    “There has always been voter fraud particularly among the D coalition and particularly in urban areas. That’s a fact.”

    Not as widespread or rampant as you have been propagandized to think. Again, you refuse to address the malfeasance of Powell and Guiliani. BOTH were key members of Trump’s legal team.

    “in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general”.

    Sweeping generalization. If anything, the Republican nominee has shown a knack for getting into repeated legal quandries. Ask, Cohen, his former fixer.

    “You could, of course, start paying attention.”

    Stop being a shill. “The base isn’t energized” or “it looks like people are sitting this election out” are common tropes used the D’s and R’s. The reality is that both sides are motivated to vote.

    So while there is no consensus on who is ahead among early voters thus far, it appears Republicans are cutting into Democrats’ early voting advantage. However, my vague impression is that women are exceeding their vote share from 2020, which seems to indicate the abortion issue could weigh heavily in the outcome.

    Interesting enough, Trump has made more of a concerted effort this year to encourage Republicans to vote early and by mail, a major shift from his 2020 messaging, when he falsely claimed widespread fraud in mail-in voting.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Not as widespread or rampant as you have been propagandized to think.
     
    So, regarding fraud, you concede the point and change the subject.

    “in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general”.

    Sweeping generalization.
     
    Not so sweeping as to be instructive regarding common characteristics found in voter fraud and where it happens.

    Stop being a shill. “The base isn’t energized” or “it looks like people are sitting this election out” are common tropes used the D’s and R’s. The reality is that both sides are motivated to vote.
     
    These tropes as you call them correlate strongly with low right track/wrong track responses to the question “is the country on the right or wrong track.” Incumbents m, and their parties, don’t win where the right track number is below 25% and they are in big trouble anytime that number is lower than 30%. Right track is now at 28%. It reflects a demoralized base for the incumbent as well as low propensity voters of the incumbent party who show up in higher Right Track years and sit it out otherwise. Why do you think Obama was out lecturing Black men?

    when he falsely claimed widespread fraud in mail-in voting.
     
    Like so many of your claims you have no idea whether this is true or not only that the mechanisms in place in 2020, as in my King County example, don’t allow for accurate post election determination of the matter which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter. So here you are making a false claim about an unknown. But lying, or outright stupidity, is your calling card isn’t it?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  286. Two of mine upthread have been Whimmed for 10+ as of now.

    Readers who haven’t moved on will Notice why when they finally emerge.

  287. The book of Wisdom calls speech a spark to move our heart. How felicitous. The wisdom there though was actually that the unwise believe our breath is only smoke and our speech but a spark. Yet as St. James says, “the tongue is a fire,” and “Behold how small a fire kindleth a great wood.”

    I was thinking about that because the election looks likely to come down to Pennsylvania, to the margins in Philadelphia we may imagine—and the Rocky movies always seem to wind up as they do with a speech, good or bad.

    To wit, Stallone’s franchise, through the fifth movie at least, ended up producing a special kind of aesthetic, which may be variously stated as this. That God exalts the humble. Or as this, that those who deny themselves become who they are. Or you could put it this way, that though appearances are often deceiving, there is beauty so fitting it turns out to be true. Of that it may be said something godly has been done, and, marveling at the way the pieces fell into place, thank the angels for pulling off a more perfect work of art than we ourselves could have ever planned or designed.

    I’m talking about the truth that is plain for anyone who watches the movies to see, that Rocky never looked like any great boxer, no not at all. By putting his awkward ability on display at long shots of him and Apollo, Stallone did something humble, and sacrificed an image he could have guarded. Rocky was beloved for being an underdog and his virtue was dogged endurance. But he apparently was what he appeared to be: less, far less an athlete than a workhorse. None of his fights looked good.

    Then at last the hero showed us something new. What he had in fact been the entire time we witness him become in one scene: a swift and fiery street fighter from Philadelphia. He fought the fight against Tommy Gunn so convincingly, and, for the first time, looked like such a natural doing it, that we have to say his reputation as an underdog with an awkward style who had to hang in there to stand a chance in the end got replaced on the spot. In a sudden, Rocky rose to the occasion and brawled with the beauty of a warrior poet, when you didn’t even know if he’d ever fight again. They saved the best fight scene of the franchise for last and let the lead be an elegant flame; you knew the hero was about to be invincible when he delivered that unbeatable line to the bully: “You knocked him down: Why don’t you try knockin me down.”

    Overall, some of the fights were fatuous and some of the speeches just bad. But the emotional core you cared about was always there, and carried you through the antics. It was as if with Rocky there was a story and there was a string of events. The latter plotted a punchy leg-breaker become a champion prizefighter midst all the hoopla and celebrity of an unlikely hero ushered into a modern world.

    The story though, that was about a man you understood like someone you always knew, and he never changed; you always trusted him, and if no one has said it before it is yet not too much to say now, that he might have been something else very special, he might have been, yes, a saint.

    But the story is set in a tough city and unfolds in the midst of a rough neighborhood, and is not about a guy who doesn’t fit in with where he is from. And what he said to Tommy Gun about where the match should occur when suddenly we expected it would, was so naturally tough that the idea was struck right there that nothing til then had really been true, in the sense that the hero had not been where he was, not til he said “My ring’s outside” and then went out there for real, and lit up the night like some violent torch—and revealed he’d been the king of the streets all along.

  288. @Anon
    @Linus

    There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump's behavior.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar, @Precious

  289. @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%."

    It was in NYC and therefore guaranteed to get a lot of media coverage nationwide.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

    It was in NYC and therefore guaranteed to get a lot of media coverage nationwide.

    Yes and his comment was picked up by practically every liberal media outlet and repeated as part of a narrative that he is racist.

    How is that good for his campaign?

    • Replies: @epebble
    @John Johnson

    How is that good for his campaign?

    I think he is using it well. He made Biden mumble something and is running with "See, they all call you garbage". With a garbage truck and clothing even. I think his talent for improvisation is immense.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "How is that good for his campaign?"

    The plan was fine, there may have been some problems with the execution. We will see. Anyway Trump likes to keep his name in the news.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Curle
    @John Johnson


    Yes and his comment was picked up by practically every liberal media outlet and repeated as part of a narrative that he is racist.

    How is that good for his campaign?
     
    How much are you getting paid per post and do you get paid more the dumber the post, like this one?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  290. the decline of Arnold is complete.

    for years one of my heroes, he is now just a decrepit old coward.

    seems to happen to many of the guys who were on steroids for decades then come off.

    not all of them of course. Hogan handled things correctly here.

    as a general observation, it is not necessary to do what Arnold is doing. maybe he just so desperately wants to be liked and praised as he was during his prime that he’ll do anything.

    but if you even peripherally involved in any strength and fitness stuff, he is nearly universally panned for his total character inversion over the last 10 years. he has destroyed his legendary status for becoming an NPC, and a dull one at that. listening to Arnold now is like listening to Democrat central HQ. it’s sad and pathetic.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @prime noticer

    "seems to happen to many of the guys who were on steroids for decades then come off."

    You're still peddling this foolishness I see. Still waiting for you to link to the study linking brain tumors to HGH.

    Arnold has been a two faced cheap opportunist his entire life. I mean, he endorsed Bush's Anabolic Steroids Control Act passed in 1990. For every steroid user like Arnold, there are thousand's of anonymous steroid users who just go on about their lives.

  291. @Greta Handel
    @John Johnson

    And I don’t know why you keep prevaricating.

    The shots were pushed on people as preventing spread.

    But - contrary to the propaganda - they were never even designed much less tested for that efficacy.

    What you’re citing is thus irrelevant to my refutation of Ralph L, which you’ve truncated to mislead.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Right, there was no evidence at the time in early 2021, pro or con, that the vaccines offered “sterilizing immunity” to cut the spread. The vax mandates were largely based on a wish that this would prove true. It mostly didn’t.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Steve Sailer

    Who’s wishing?

    The perpetrators and principal beneficiaries of the dempanic knowingly misled and coerced millions of innocent people for power and money.

    Magnanimous sounding whitewash helps to immunize them from being held to account.

    Replies: @vinteuil

  292. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    [T]he anti-abortion crowd was always uncompromising in demanding what they wanted (zero abortions ever) but not willing to work with others in a realistic manner.
     
    Those I know among the anti-abortion crowd view abortion as slaughter of the innocent. I do not say that motives among the anti-abortion crowd are always pure (for if motives were pure then more pro-lifers would possess the self-confidence to take pro-choice objections seriously); but among the anti-abortion crowd, slaughter of the innocent is simply not a point of compromise.

    The suggestion that, realistically, one must condone the slaughter of a certain number of the innocent is not a suggestion the anti-abortion crowd could ever accept.

    If you wish to restrain anti-abortion fervor, then the best way to do it is exactly what has been done recently: you defeat pro-life decisively, repeatedly at the ballot box. After defeating the pro-lifers at the ballot box, you refrain from humiliating them further, and you mostly decline to engage with them on the topic of abortion. This leaves pro-lifers room to take your side for their own reasons on other issues.

    As far as I know, this is the best you can do.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble, @James B. Shearer

    but among the anti-abortion crowd, slaughter of the innocent is simply not a point of compromise

    I think you are right about what they think but they are totally wrong. Do they really believe the 20 billion miscarriages that have occurred were souls that God “slaughtered”?

    It is also obvious they get this view purely from a weird religious view. I know they will lie about the source of their beliefs but that is obviously the truth.

    Do they truly believe ensoulment begins at conception? Like, if someone takes a day-after pill did they “slaughter” someone?

    After defeating the pro-lifers at the ballot box, you refrain from humiliating them further … As far as I know, this is the best you can do

    You may be right. But a part of me thinks it would be better to dump them and just go after the white women who vote on the issue. We were supposed to have a Red Wave last election but it was ruined by the anti-aborition crowed. Oh well.

  293. @John Johnson
    @Curle


    Genius stuff. How dare anyone question the MAGA cult.

     

    Smart people questioning them is one thing. Midwits with no apparent sense of the electorate is another.

    Well why don't you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.

    Do explain how this is an efficient use of time and resources in an extremely tight presidential race.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Curle, @Precious

    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.

    You aren’t up on Puerto Rico news, so I will explain why the comedian roasted, not insulted, Puerto Rico and why Puerto Ricans found that roast joke funny.

    The Biden administration and Puerto Rico have been in some kind of dispute since 2022 when the federal government provided money to clean up the mountain of trash Puerto Rico has been generating and… not cleaning up. The corrupt Puerto Rican government embezzled much of it, and the trash problem…marginally improved? This is a source of frustration for Puerto Rican residents.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Precious

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @John Johnson
    @Precious

    The Biden administration and Puerto Rico have been in some kind of dispute since 2022 when the federal government provided money to clean up the mountain of trash Puerto Rico has been generating and… not cleaning up. The corrupt Puerto Rican government embezzled much of it, and the trash problem…marginally improved? This is a source of frustration for Puerto Rican residents.

    And do you think the MSM provided that context or ran a dozen stories implying that Trump is a dirty racist who likes racist comedians?

    You aren’t up on Puerto Rico news, so I will explain why the comedian roasted, not insulted, Puerto Rico and why Puerto Ricans found that roast joke funny.

    The MSM ran all kinds of interviews with Puerto Ricans that did not find it funny. To suggest that all Puerto Ricans found it funny is ridiculous.

    Why is it so hard to admit this was poor strategy? The Trump campaign already tried to distance themselves from him which isn't going to work.

    Going to a swing state and eating dinner at a Mexican restaurant would have cost millions less and would have done more for the campaign.

    A red hat parade in NYC was a terrible idea and Trump made it worse with this crass lounge act who also made jokes about pulling out when there were families in the audience. Genius stuff. Trump could have a woman bang a horse onstage and you Trump fans would tell me that I'm lacking context and should not be questioning the campaign managers. Maybe he could have a wrestler give live commentary while gangster rap plays in the background.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Precious

  294. @Corn
    @Jonathan Mason


    Or is it simply not true that people cannot afford to have children, and they just say this because they would prefer to have cats to children?
     
    I think that’s very often the case

    Replies: @TrumpWon, @MB

    Having stood outside a PP clinic a time or two, most of the clients drive very nice cars.
    Conclusion, they are not poor/prefer car payments over having a child.

  295. @John Johnson
    @James B. Shearer


    Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

     

    It was in NYC and therefore guaranteed to get a lot of media coverage nationwide.

    Yes and his comment was picked up by practically every liberal media outlet and repeated as part of a narrative that he is racist.

    How is that good for his campaign?

    Replies: @epebble, @James B. Shearer, @Curle

    How is that good for his campaign?

    I think he is using it well. He made Biden mumble something and is running with “See, they all call you garbage”. With a garbage truck and clothing even. I think his talent for improvisation is immense.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @epebble

    Except the attitude that Trump and his advisors have toward the “non-white deplorables” remains strong. And of course his team is trying to say he really didn’t want this comedian there in the first place. That’s a straight up joke. Of course he wanted that messaging! Never you mind that he employed illegals in his own business empire and has his clothing line made oversees. Sure, he’s a great showman who has duped a ton of people.

  296. @John Johnson
    @Greta Handel

    The only metric for efficacy from the get go was a reduction in a defined set of symptoms, which looked really big and scary if all you compared were the people who suffered them.


    That's not true. High vaxx states had lower death rates.
    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/980326?form=fpf

    The vaccines work and people did not grow arms or mutate. That's a pity as I was hoping for some type of x-men power.

    COVID is over so I really don't understand why the anti-vaxxers still rant about it. It's now like the flu in that you can get the vaccine to reduce symptoms or you can be sick longer to make some type of political point.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mr. Anon

    COVID is over so I really don’t understand why the anti-vaxxers still rant about it.

    It is not “anti-vax” to object to being compelled to get a vaccine. It is anti-compulsion. Something you pro-tyranny people never understood and still don’t.

    Those of us who opposed COVID-tyranny still talk about it because nothing was resolved. Nobody apologized. Nobody admitted they were wrong. Nobody was punished. We still talk about it because it was tyranny and we object to tyranny. We still talk about it because they could do it all over again.

    • Replies: @jsm
    @Mr. Anon

    And we still talk about it because there are real people out there still suffering from the real harms that the vaccine they got, under duress, caused.

  297. Betting on US election = betting on pro wrestling

    Almost certainly 95-IQ Kumswallawa “The Whore” wins – she seems infinitely malleable. Unless, for some reason, (((tptb))) want senile Donald Trump in office. Who TF knows…

  298. @Precious
    @John Johnson


    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.
     
    You aren't up on Puerto Rico news, so I will explain why the comedian roasted, not insulted, Puerto Rico and why Puerto Ricans found that roast joke funny.

    The Biden administration and Puerto Rico have been in some kind of dispute since 2022 when the federal government provided money to clean up the mountain of trash Puerto Rico has been generating and... not cleaning up. The corrupt Puerto Rican government embezzled much of it, and the trash problem...marginally improved? This is a source of frustration for Puerto Rican residents.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for what? You’re smarter than this, Mr. Sailer.

    Precious made up a story without any references or citations. Nothing remotely came up in the Google machine. Normally you fact check. Here you didn’t even bother. What gives?

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.

    https://fortune.com/2024/10/29/puerto-rico-angry-floating-island-garbage-trumps-rally-cant-vote-president/

    —That festering resentment erupted when Trump visited Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria slammed into the island as a powerful Category 4 storm in 2017. He tossed paper towels into a crowd and denied the storm’s official death toll, with experts estimating that nearly 3,000 people died in the sweltering aftermath.—

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.

    Replies: @Curle, @Precious, @Precious

  299. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    [T]he anti-abortion crowd was always uncompromising in demanding what they wanted (zero abortions ever) but not willing to work with others in a realistic manner.
     
    Those I know among the anti-abortion crowd view abortion as slaughter of the innocent. I do not say that motives among the anti-abortion crowd are always pure (for if motives were pure then more pro-lifers would possess the self-confidence to take pro-choice objections seriously); but among the anti-abortion crowd, slaughter of the innocent is simply not a point of compromise.

    The suggestion that, realistically, one must condone the slaughter of a certain number of the innocent is not a suggestion the anti-abortion crowd could ever accept.

    If you wish to restrain anti-abortion fervor, then the best way to do it is exactly what has been done recently: you defeat pro-life decisively, repeatedly at the ballot box. After defeating the pro-lifers at the ballot box, you refrain from humiliating them further, and you mostly decline to engage with them on the topic of abortion. This leaves pro-lifers room to take your side for their own reasons on other issues.

    As far as I know, this is the best you can do.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble, @James B. Shearer

    Those I know among the anti-abortion crowd view abortion as slaughter of the innocent.

    That may be considered an admirable and justifiable moral axiom. But I have a question: why doesn’t the anti-abortion movement work as vigorously towards promoting contraception as towards reducing abortions? After all, they are diametrically complimentary – every pregnancy prevented is one (unwanted) pregnancy that won’t seek abortion. If they campaign towards, say, free/low cost and universal availability of contraception, may be the whole need for energetic anti-abortion movement will just go away. There was much resistance from many Republicans when Obamacare included contraception in free services mandate. That would seem to go against anti-abortion core value.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @epebble


    [W]hy doesn’t the anti-abortion movement work as vigorously towards promoting contraception as towards reducing abortions?
     
    I happen to have long personal acquaintance with several unusually serious, high-caliber, high-intellect, high-achieving, committed members of the anti-abortion movement, persons with whom my wife and I completely avoid discussion of abortion because we do not wish to wreck valuable friendships—so it is curious that I should be discussing the matter with you (whom I have never met) rather than with them. However, they are uninterested in what I have to say on the topic whereas you seem to be interested, so here goes.

    Central to the propagation of mankind, sex is a serious matter. Contraception outside marriage promotes fornication and turns otherwise marriable women into—well, one would rather not write such harsh words as “slut,” but is there a polite way to say it? Within marriage, contraception warps marriage's purpose, which is formation of the family, and it skips the hard, mind-focusing virtue of abstinence.

    The last paragraph leaves much to unpack, of course. I do not claim myself to have lived wholly up to its standard, but it is a fine standard and (if you wish to know) I agree with the pro-lifers as far as it goes.

    The dispiriting problem with the radical pro-lifers is that they will not grapple with the reality that resources in this fallen world are limited, history is violently competitive, and human life is often, regrettably cheap. The right way to be pro-life is not to be pro-life universally, but to be pro-life within one's own extended family. The principle of subsidiarity ought to be paramount.

    When you have a nineteen-year-old daughter (I don't) that, when drunk, shamefully lets some low-quality cad impregnate her, you are not going to be interested in the abstract moral lectures of the righteous. You are going to want your daughter to have the option to get her life back on track before the unwanted pregnancy ruins it. I do not say that this want is admirable, only that is powerful and highly consequential. “You can gamble with your own daughter's life, but leave my daughter alone!” This is the hard lesson the radical pro-lifers have been learning at the ballot box.

    Just because people don't talk back to the radical pro-lifers does not mean that people agree with them.

    A full answer to your question would require a book, not a blog comment, of course. My own position, if you wish to know, is that abortion is indeed the terrible slaughter of the innocent, but that too many of the radical pro-lifers have schooled themselves to banish genuine empathy for women facing the concrete, life-ruining consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. I am also a racist and observe that, realistically, abortion among blacks mitigates a dangerous social problem for whites like me and my family. Whether the radical pro-lifers are wrong in the abstract, I do not know; but I do know that the radical pro-lifers refuse to listen. Refusal to listen in matters of such heavy consequence is a vice.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble

  300. @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    Figuring out how to reverse tanking birthrates is *the* biggest issue facing the West – more important than balancing the budget and more important, even, than immigration (though reducing immigration would probably help boost native fertility rates). If we don’t reverse the decline in birthrates then nothing else matters.
     
    Wilkey, I'm usually 100% on board with your comments, but disagree here. Fertility is in 2nd place--actually way behind--immigration.

    Yeah, in some sort of very linear mathematical sense, obviously birth rates must turn around or we die out. But that's simply not going to happen. We already know how to raise birthrates. Your Mormon brothers and sisters are doing it. Kaganovitch's Orthodox Jews are really doing it. The Amish are really doing it. (Hey, where's the iSteve Amish commenter anyway?) Nations that want to win will embark on an AnotherDad style eugenic fertility enhancement program. But even if we do not, we have sub-populations with above replacement TFR. Making babies isn't that hard. People will not die out.

    As I've said the way to think about this is "modernity is an environmental shock", and we are now selecting for people who reproduce under modern conditions. There will be a "breeder recovery". And as populations decline, the resources and opportunities get better and better. People will not die out.

    Immigration is wildly different. It is like dumping pepper into the salt. It's simply not salt anymore. Entropy has increased and it would take a whole lot of energy--applied quite unpleasantly--to get back to your bowl of salt.

    I've offered the example of Japan. It is in outright population decline. But if it does not succumb to the siren call--"immigration, immigration, must have immigration!"--of the immigration loons, it will slump down ... and then recover. Reg sent on link a few months back of a couple Japanese towns that had decided to make themselves fertility friendly and now had solidly above replacement TFR. Maybe they'll only be 60 million, or 40 million or 20 million Japanese, but they'll still have their nation.


    No there are going to be people around--around right here in America ... and Canada, Australia, Europe, the West. The question is "who will those people be?"

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “As I’ve said the way to think about this is “modernity is an environmental shock”, and we are now selecting for people who reproduce under modern conditions.”

    To, as the kids say, “unpack” this a little…

    [MORE]

    It’s necessary to make a distinction between “modernity” which is an immovable existential condition surrounding and permeating all humanity, and “contemporaneity” which is simply the particular set of societal and political conditions which we happen to occupy at present, and which can be changed if we can muster the collective will to do so.

    As I say, Modernity cannot really be changed except through Forces of History, but the particulars and evanescent structures of the contemporary scene can be changed. And the harsh, plain reality of the contemporary scene is, America is ruled solely, and ruled with an iron fist, by Organized Jewry. Jews (consciously, and as Jews not Americans or “fellow whites”) control every single choke point, institution and path to power in this country; and Jewry cares only about its own interests, its own will to power, and its own goals — and, again sadly but truthfully, the main and constant goal of Organized Jewry, as revealed plainly by its actions, is the destruction of America and the annihilation and erasure of the white race through mass immigration, fertility restriction, and systematic soft genocide.

    The resurgence of White Fertility, a necessary foundation of White survival and the premise of AD’s original comment, cannot occur or be made to occur under the conditions of the existing Jewish regime. The plain fact seems to be — at least as observed in the past few generations — that whites do not breed well in captivity. And in America, whites are wholly captive to Diversity. There are specific society and hypo-society reasons why Diversity and healthy white fertility are not compatible, but in brief: 1) non-whites in proximity to whites are always parasitic on whites; 2) non-whites in proximity to whites are always envious and hostile to whites, and thwart white interests whenever it is in their power to do so, which at present is always; and 3) non-white males nearly universally prefer white females whenever they can get them, which sets up numerically impossible conditions of competition for white males.

    Only white male/white female combination produces actual white offspring, so any other combination reduces overall white population. Non-stop negro and Jewish obsession with white females was bad enough, but throw in Arabs, Muslims, subcons, Latinos, and a tidal wave of new unwanted Africans and the thing is completely insupportible. Add to this that traditional white courtship and mating patterns are more subtle and nuanced than Third World customs, especially gut-bucket negro sexuality (the memorable phrase of Black critic Stanley Crouch), that white women, when not captured by Crudeness of Color, and merely worn down, exhausted and demoralized by it: not a fertile ground for white family formation.

    In the current situation, whites cannot co-exist with non-whites. Whites can only comfortably form families, breed and raise their children in peace and quiet in white-supermajority populations and territories. We tried the (Jewish) experiment and it failed — for whites, that is; for Jews who wish to exterminate whites, Diversity has been a rousing triumph.

    There must be a determined political push either for secession and partition along white/non-white lines; or else there must be a radical re-arrangement of the current American practical political consensus, allowing for the legal, Constitutionally-ratified existence of large, viable, extensive exclusively whites-only communities, cities, territories and populations.

    This is going to have to be an ultimatum situation: no room for negotiation, no ground ceded, and NO JEWS, EVER. It is a sad pass we have come to, but we did not create this path, Organized Jewry and its traitorous hostile allies did. This is life or death. Sad to say it, but here we stand, at the very edge of the precipice.

    What comes next is going to take a lot of discussion, a lot of planning, a lot of action and a lot of will. But it must be done; the Jews have left us no other option.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    '...America is ruled solely, and ruled with an iron fist, by Organized Jewry. Jews (consciously, and as Jews not Americans or “fellow whites”) control every single choke point, institution and path to power in this country; and Jewry cares only about its own interests, its own will to power, and its own goals — and, again sadly but truthfully, the main and constant goal of Organized Jewry, as revealed plainly by its actions, is the destruction of America and...'
     
    If only. It all would be relatively easy to fight if this were so.

    But the sad fact is that most of the Jews you object to see themselves as good people, doing good things.

    Take a former friend of mine. He went into computers, and is now some sort of upper mid-level factotum at Google. I would guess he's involved in much of what you and I object to -- is in fact a minion of Sauron.

    But does he think of himself like that? I doubt it. To take one example, back when Ford came up with the Taurus ('a quality car -- made in America!') he promptly bought one. The guy sees himself as a good person -- and he sees himself doing the right thing, not as a Jew, but as an American. I'm confident of that.

    Ditto for a former neighbor of mine -- a mother of three when I was growing up. Well, on the one hand, when I encountered her when I went back to the old country to sell my mother's house, she expressed a wish that a homosexual couple would buy it -- a Jewess in tooth and claw, determined to wreck America.

    ...but I also remember that when some effort was made to save the GM plant in Fremont, Ca by having it build Toyota Corolla clones branded as Chevy Novas, she bought one.

    These aren't bad people. And they are at least a majority of the people we're fighting. Not the more or less conscious Haim Sabans and Alan Dershowitzs; but all those legions of decent people.

    ...decent people with some unfortunate assumptions buried deep within their psyches.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Alden
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You forgot sufficient income and housing as a prerequisite to marriage and children.

    Reading your comment I don’t believe you’re married and have children.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  301. @Colin Wright
    @Anon


    'There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump’s behavior.'

     

    There's ample proof, but more important is the way the bulk of the media functions as an arm of the Democratic Party and the 'progressive' agenda in general, and the way Jews are simultaneously so powerful and so biased in favor of a series of extremely pernicious ideas.

    These are actually the most serious obstacles we face, and until it is admitted, I'm skeptical we'll get anywhere.

    Replies: @Corn, @Corvinus, @Curle

    There’s ample proof

    This is a great article:

    https://tinyurl.com/2hjhrcp4

    One excerpt from that article:

    Well, first of all, that mantra….: “All the cases, all the courts ruled against Trump.” First of all, that is not true. Most of the cases were rejected on very technical jurisdictional grounds, like a case brought by a voter, rather than the candidate himself.

    Liberals often boast “Trump didn’t win in court”. But it’s not that courts found no evidence of fraud, they just found excuses not to deal with the issue.

    • Thanks: deep anonymous
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Corn

    LOL, the article is written by John Eastman, a known Trump toadie!

    Besides….

    https://americanoversight.org/judge-recommends-john-eastman-be-disbarred-for-efforts-to-overturn-2020-election/

    Replies: @Corn

  302. @John Johnson
    @James B. Shearer


    Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

     

    It was in NYC and therefore guaranteed to get a lot of media coverage nationwide.

    Yes and his comment was picked up by practically every liberal media outlet and repeated as part of a narrative that he is racist.

    How is that good for his campaign?

    Replies: @epebble, @James B. Shearer, @Curle

    “How is that good for his campaign?”

    The plan was fine, there may have been some problems with the execution. We will see. Anyway Trump likes to keep his name in the news.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @James B. Shearer


    “How is that good for his campaign?”

     

    The plan was fine, there may have been some problems with the execution. We will see. Anyway Trump likes to keep his name in the news.

    Well his campaign manager disagreed and has reputed the joke. It seems my opinion is on the side of people that are paid to run the campaign. They have acknowledged it was a mistake even though I was told by multiple posters that I shouldn't question their expertise. How dare us peons question anyone in politics. It's an area known for sound efficiency and completely rational planning.

    Did you think it was also a good idea to let the comedian make a joke about not pulling out?

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @epebble

  303. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    [T]he anti-abortion crowd was always uncompromising in demanding what they wanted (zero abortions ever) but not willing to work with others in a realistic manner.
     
    Those I know among the anti-abortion crowd view abortion as slaughter of the innocent. I do not say that motives among the anti-abortion crowd are always pure (for if motives were pure then more pro-lifers would possess the self-confidence to take pro-choice objections seriously); but among the anti-abortion crowd, slaughter of the innocent is simply not a point of compromise.

    The suggestion that, realistically, one must condone the slaughter of a certain number of the innocent is not a suggestion the anti-abortion crowd could ever accept.

    If you wish to restrain anti-abortion fervor, then the best way to do it is exactly what has been done recently: you defeat pro-life decisively, repeatedly at the ballot box. After defeating the pro-lifers at the ballot box, you refrain from humiliating them further, and you mostly decline to engage with them on the topic of abortion. This leaves pro-lifers room to take your side for their own reasons on other issues.

    As far as I know, this is the best you can do.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble, @James B. Shearer

    “The suggestion that, realistically, one must condone the slaughter of a certain number of the innocent is not a suggestion the anti-abortion crowd could ever accept.”

    That’s true of the fanatics but I don’t think it is universal. I expect a fair number would accept a law which eliminated 90% of abortions rather than holding out for 100% and getting nothing.

  304. @epebble
    @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting. So, throughout the first half of 20th century, as many White women were unmarried (above 35 years) as now? How were they living? depending on father, brothers, strangers? It seems unlikely that many of them would be in unmarried relationship with a man. Maybe they had jobs that allowed spinster lifestyle. Still, an aspect of recent history that I don't know much about. Thanks.

    Replies: @deep anonymous

    “So, throughout the first half of 20th century, as many White women were unmarried (above 35 years) as now?”

    No. The caption says, “Never Married.” But in those days, there was no no-fault divorce, and so the vast majority of other White women were, and remained, married, whether happily or not, and on average had more kids than White women today.

  305. @Steve Sailer
    @Greta Handel

    Right, there was no evidence at the time in early 2021, pro or con, that the vaccines offered "sterilizing immunity" to cut the spread. The vax mandates were largely based on a wish that this would prove true. It mostly didn't.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    Who’s wishing?

    The perpetrators and principal beneficiaries of the dempanic knowingly misled and coerced millions of innocent people for power and money.

    Magnanimous sounding whitewash helps to immunize them from being held to account.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Greta Handel


    The perpetrators and principal beneficiaries of the dempanic knowingly misled and coerced millions of innocent people for power and money.
     
    It is so, so important for everybody to come to understand this. But it is so, so, hard to get them to the place where they can admit to themselves that they were fooled.
  306. @epebble
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Those I know among the anti-abortion crowd view abortion as slaughter of the innocent.

    That may be considered an admirable and justifiable moral axiom. But I have a question: why doesn't the anti-abortion movement work as vigorously towards promoting contraception as towards reducing abortions? After all, they are diametrically complimentary - every pregnancy prevented is one (unwanted) pregnancy that won't seek abortion. If they campaign towards, say, free/low cost and universal availability of contraception, may be the whole need for energetic anti-abortion movement will just go away. There was much resistance from many Republicans when Obamacare included contraception in free services mandate. That would seem to go against anti-abortion core value.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    [W]hy doesn’t the anti-abortion movement work as vigorously towards promoting contraception as towards reducing abortions?

    I happen to have long personal acquaintance with several unusually serious, high-caliber, high-intellect, high-achieving, committed members of the anti-abortion movement, persons with whom my wife and I completely avoid discussion of abortion because we do not wish to wreck valuable friendships—so it is curious that I should be discussing the matter with you (whom I have never met) rather than with them. However, they are uninterested in what I have to say on the topic whereas you seem to be interested, so here goes.

    Central to the propagation of mankind, sex is a serious matter. Contraception outside marriage promotes fornication and turns otherwise marriable women into—well, one would rather not write such harsh words as “slut,” but is there a polite way to say it? Within marriage, contraception warps marriage’s purpose, which is formation of the family, and it skips the hard, mind-focusing virtue of abstinence.

    The last paragraph leaves much to unpack, of course. I do not claim myself to have lived wholly up to its standard, but it is a fine standard and (if you wish to know) I agree with the pro-lifers as far as it goes.

    [MORE]

    The dispiriting problem with the radical pro-lifers is that they will not grapple with the reality that resources in this fallen world are limited, history is violently competitive, and human life is often, regrettably cheap. The right way to be pro-life is not to be pro-life universally, but to be pro-life within one’s own extended family. The principle of subsidiarity ought to be paramount.

    When you have a nineteen-year-old daughter (I don’t) that, when drunk, shamefully lets some low-quality cad impregnate her, you are not going to be interested in the abstract moral lectures of the righteous. You are going to want your daughter to have the option to get her life back on track before the unwanted pregnancy ruins it. I do not say that this want is admirable, only that is powerful and highly consequential. “You can gamble with your own daughter’s life, but leave my daughter alone!” This is the hard lesson the radical pro-lifers have been learning at the ballot box.

    Just because people don’t talk back to the radical pro-lifers does not mean that people agree with them.

    A full answer to your question would require a book, not a blog comment, of course. My own position, if you wish to know, is that abortion is indeed the terrible slaughter of the innocent, but that too many of the radical pro-lifers have schooled themselves to banish genuine empathy for women facing the concrete, life-ruining consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. I am also a racist and observe that, realistically, abortion among blacks mitigates a dangerous social problem for whites like me and my family. Whether the radical pro-lifers are wrong in the abstract, I do not know; but I do know that the radical pro-lifers refuse to listen. Refusal to listen in matters of such heavy consequence is a vice.

    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Very nice explanation and it confirms an inkling I had that this is very much about their unique religious notion of moral virtue. Young women should only have sex inside marriage and solely for the purpose of having children.

    If that imposes suffering, so much the better. I'm reminded that Mother Theresa never wanted to get rid of poverty, she just thought we should minister to it and suffer along with them, as did Christ on the Cross.

    We are moving toward a time when we can improve on the natural way of doing things. Genomics is here along with embryo selection and soon genetic modification of adults will be available. Sexual activity can increasingly be separated from procreation.

    , @epebble
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Thank you for a thoughtful and informative response. I had suspected some of the issues you have mentioned as the cause behind apparent disinterest shown by the anti-abortion movement towards promoting increased contraception as the least confrontational method for reducing the number of abortions (at little political cost, if one may add).

    There are many illogical aspects to this behavior by the anti-abortion movement. First, it is well established that a large number of abortions are sought by married women and women who have already had children. This is generally due to failure in contraception or forgetfulness/carelessness, inability to get refills etc. Thus, portraying these instances as "immoral" is absurd. One would think that a well-planned "immoral" liaison this day and age would be well protected by the array of contraceptives available. Secondly, if the anti-abortion movement is really interested in promoting only marital sex, maybe they should actively seek public policy that encourages people to marry and remain married. They may be better off advocating for this directly rather than surreptitiously. Promotion of marriage has no opponents unlike imposing strict anti-abortion measures either legislatively or judicially. For example, they may advocate for increased marriage 'bonus' in taxation. Single people pay X% on a particular income bracket while married people get a 25% discount each; married people get to deduct house rent, even auto loan etc., from tax. That would definitely make marriage 'worthwhile' for many people who may not be that keen now, asking what the use is. Thirdly, as you mentioned, the long-term societal cost of dysgenic births of unwanted pregnancies. It is not hard to imagine that a woman who did not want to continue her pregnancy were to be forced to do so, will not be a good person for the fetus - I am talking about, say, not smoking, drinking, drug use, going for medical visits, generally having a stable and healthy household after the child is born. Naturally, this may lead to the child failing in society and becoming an anti-social burden than a productive citizen.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  307. @John Johnson
    @James B. Shearer


    Well why don’t you explain the rational of having a MAGA rally in a state where Trump is polling 40%.

     

    It was in NYC and therefore guaranteed to get a lot of media coverage nationwide.

    Yes and his comment was picked up by practically every liberal media outlet and repeated as part of a narrative that he is racist.

    How is that good for his campaign?

    Replies: @epebble, @James B. Shearer, @Curle

    Yes and his comment was picked up by practically every liberal media outlet and repeated as part of a narrative that he is racist.

    How is that good for his campaign?

    How much are you getting paid per post and do you get paid more the dumber the post, like this one?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle


    How is that good for his campaign?

     

    How much are you getting paid per post and do you get paid more the dumber the post, like this one?

    No response of substance as usual. Desperate name calling from Curle because he gets frustrated with his own intellectual dishonesty.

    The Trump campaign has tried to distance Trump from the comedian who made the joke:
    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-election-10-27-24/card/trump-campaign-distances-itself-from-comedian-tony-hinchcliffe-s-puerto-rico-comments-D4IcPmTIcXLFa7roZrp7?msockid=0f0d686f9c5f6b4910b578ef9dec6af7

    So there you have it. You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.

    Now put your on stupid red hat on and go find a Trump rally that will high five anything that you say. That is clearly what you desire and not an open forum.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Curle, @Curle

  308. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    "Another of your many comments revealing your childishness".

    JFC, grow up.

    "There has always been voter fraud particularly among the D coalition and particularly in urban areas. That’s a fact."

    Not as widespread or rampant as you have been propagandized to think. Again, you refuse to address the malfeasance of Powell and Guiliani. BOTH were key members of Trump's legal team.

    "in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general".

    Sweeping generalization. If anything, the Republican nominee has shown a knack for getting into repeated legal quandries. Ask, Cohen, his former fixer.

    "You could, of course, start paying attention."

    Stop being a shill. "The base isn't energized" or "it looks like people are sitting this election out" are common tropes used the D's and R's. The reality is that both sides are motivated to vote.

    So while there is no consensus on who is ahead among early voters thus far, it appears Republicans are cutting into Democrats’ early voting advantage. However, my vague impression is that women are exceeding their vote share from 2020, which seems to indicate the abortion issue could weigh heavily in the outcome.

    Interesting enough, Trump has made more of a concerted effort this year to encourage Republicans to vote early and by mail, a major shift from his 2020 messaging, when he falsely claimed widespread fraud in mail-in voting.

    Replies: @Curle

    Not as widespread or rampant as you have been propagandized to think.

    So, regarding fraud, you concede the point and change the subject.

    “in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general”.

    Sweeping generalization.

    Not so sweeping as to be instructive regarding common characteristics found in voter fraud and where it happens.

    Stop being a shill. “The base isn’t energized” or “it looks like people are sitting this election out” are common tropes used the D’s and R’s. The reality is that both sides are motivated to vote.

    These tropes as you call them correlate strongly with low right track/wrong track responses to the question “is the country on the right or wrong track.” Incumbents m, and their parties, don’t win where the right track number is below 25% and they are in big trouble anytime that number is lower than 30%. Right track is now at 28%. It reflects a demoralized base for the incumbent as well as low propensity voters of the incumbent party who show up in higher Right Track years and sit it out otherwise. Why do you think Obama was out lecturing Black men?

    when he falsely claimed widespread fraud in mail-in voting.

    Like so many of your claims you have no idea whether this is true or not only that the mechanisms in place in 2020, as in my King County example, don’t allow for accurate post election determination of the matter which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter. So here you are making a false claim about an unknown. But lying, or outright stupidity, is your calling card isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “So, regarding fraud, you concede the point and change the subject.”

    Yes, there’s been reports of fraud in several presidential elections. But not widespread or rampant. And look at who’s not even addressing the fact that Powell and Giuliani—Trump attorneys—were exposed as liars regarding their claims of fraud.

    “It reflects a demoralized base for the incumbent as well as low propensity voters of the incumbent party”

    Again, this is straight up gaslighting in your part.
    Both sides are extremely motivated to get out and vote, to ensure that their candidates win.

    “which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter”

    In case after case in the aftermath of the 2020 election, judge after judge threw out bogus claims made by Trump about voter fraud. That’s the reality that you refuse to deal with.

    “Now tell us how passing along civilian police reports/complaints regarding the use of cats and dogs for food is going to scuttle his candidacy. If Trump wins you and those others like you who ramp up the most trivial events into perpetual moral panics can give yourselves credit for his win.”

    It’s not trivial when the ex-president’s team who claim to be courting “non white deplorable”, then hires with his knowledge a comedian to message about his disdain for “non white deplorables” days before the election to assure his base that it’s all white to vote for him.

    Replies: @Curle

  309. @John Johnson
    @vinteuil

    Oh, and – let the record note that Art Deco agreed with an even more than usually silly John Johnson post.

    Let the record note that you didn't answer a single question about Maidan and Yannukovych.

    The narrative of "Nuland caused a coup with Jewish witch powers" doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Just because it's repeated on pro-Putin blogs doesn't make it true.

    You have proven that once again which I'm sure disappointed the Putin fans that were hoping for a least a shred of rationality in your response.

    Go find a bootlicking website where they censor critical thinking just like the Russian state they adore.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    You forgot to mention Putin being short.

  310. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    Yes and his comment was picked up by practically every liberal media outlet and repeated as part of a narrative that he is racist.

    How is that good for his campaign?
     
    How much are you getting paid per post and do you get paid more the dumber the post, like this one?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    How is that good for his campaign?

    How much are you getting paid per post and do you get paid more the dumber the post, like this one?

    No response of substance as usual. Desperate name calling from Curle because he gets frustrated with his own intellectual dishonesty.

    The Trump campaign has tried to distance Trump from the comedian who made the joke:
    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-election-10-27-24/card/trump-campaign-distances-itself-from-comedian-tony-hinchcliffe-s-puerto-rico-comments-D4IcPmTIcXLFa7roZrp7?msockid=0f0d686f9c5f6b4910b578ef9dec6af7

    So there you have it. You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.

    Now put your on stupid red hat on and go find a Trump rally that will high five anything that you say. That is clearly what you desire and not an open forum.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @John Johnson

    "Now put on your stupid red hat and go find a Trump rally"

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse. If you do not want Harris, you either vote Trump or a third party candidate or stay home on election day.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter. The majority of libertarians understand that most immigrants lean left and are future Democrat voters.

    Believers in small government have traditionally been part of the Republican coalition. There was a small government Jeffersonian tradition in the Democrat party but, starting with FDR, they have largely abandoned it.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Curle
    @John Johnson


    No response of substance as usual.
     
    Oh look, the King of the argumentative premise thinks he should have a monopoly on its use. Not only are you King of the argumentative premise but you whine when your favored form of question is thrown back at you. John ‘Special Pleading’ Johnson is upset. How about you seek comfort from all of those insulted undecided voter Hispanics your multiple argumentative questions on this thread assume exist in the real world? How many times did you embed that premise into a question on this thread alone? Three? About the number of times you beat your wife this morning, no?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Curle
    @John Johnson

    From the WSJ:


    The Trump campaign has tried to distance Trump from the comedian who made the joke.
     
    They said his garbage comment doesn’t reflect his views. Did you think they did? Do you have such low respect for Hispanics you think they are pinheads at your level? Or that there are undecided Hispanic voters who will 1) act like an MSNBC contributor and attribute the comedian’s comment to Trump; or 2) decided Hispanic Trump voters who will fail to vote because an comedian made a joke at the expense of Puerto Ricans? The only thing this shows is the desperation setting in at Team Harris. They’re reduced to grasping at straws.

    Please, rather than comment here use your keen political insight to better effect as a campaign strategist for Ms Harris or some other Liberal. Every conservative across this nation will sleep better knowing you are calling the strategic shots for team Liberal.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  311. @John Johnson
    @Curle


    How is that good for his campaign?

     

    How much are you getting paid per post and do you get paid more the dumber the post, like this one?

    No response of substance as usual. Desperate name calling from Curle because he gets frustrated with his own intellectual dishonesty.

    The Trump campaign has tried to distance Trump from the comedian who made the joke:
    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-election-10-27-24/card/trump-campaign-distances-itself-from-comedian-tony-hinchcliffe-s-puerto-rico-comments-D4IcPmTIcXLFa7roZrp7?msockid=0f0d686f9c5f6b4910b578ef9dec6af7

    So there you have it. You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.

    Now put your on stupid red hat on and go find a Trump rally that will high five anything that you say. That is clearly what you desire and not an open forum.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Curle, @Curle

    “Now put on your stupid red hat and go find a Trump rally”

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse. If you do not want Harris, you either vote Trump or a third party candidate or stay home on election day.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter. The majority of libertarians understand that most immigrants lean left and are future Democrat voters.

    Believers in small government have traditionally been part of the Republican coalition. There was a small government Jeffersonian tradition in the Democrat party but, starting with FDR, they have largely abandoned it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse.

    I've said many times that I am not voting for Harris as I do not support Affirmative Action.

    But some posters here clearly have a hard time with criticism of a former Democrat that they have turned into demigod. I did not want Biden in the last election and Trump Tribe lectured me on how I was buying into MSM propaganda when I warned that he was losing independents. In the last election they had the attitude that all data can be ignored because Trump broke the polls in 2016. Well he wasn't able to do that in 2020 and the swing state data before the election was quite accurate. This year Trump has better numbers but it's still a tight race where either side could win.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter.

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders. Americans that want minimal government should form their own party instead of sticking with a Rand based party that is for endless immigration and legal fentanyl. Such a party could also dump their 9 month abortion position. The libertarian party rejects basic Christian morals and embraces drug use. At first it sounds appealing until you learn of their more noxious beliefs.

    Replies: @Catiline, @scrivener3, @James B. Shearer, @Art Deco

  312. @John Johnson
    @Curle


    How is that good for his campaign?

     

    How much are you getting paid per post and do you get paid more the dumber the post, like this one?

    No response of substance as usual. Desperate name calling from Curle because he gets frustrated with his own intellectual dishonesty.

    The Trump campaign has tried to distance Trump from the comedian who made the joke:
    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-election-10-27-24/card/trump-campaign-distances-itself-from-comedian-tony-hinchcliffe-s-puerto-rico-comments-D4IcPmTIcXLFa7roZrp7?msockid=0f0d686f9c5f6b4910b578ef9dec6af7

    So there you have it. You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.

    Now put your on stupid red hat on and go find a Trump rally that will high five anything that you say. That is clearly what you desire and not an open forum.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Curle, @Curle

    No response of substance as usual.

    Oh look, the King of the argumentative premise thinks he should have a monopoly on its use. Not only are you King of the argumentative premise but you whine when your favored form of question is thrown back at you. John ‘Special Pleading’ Johnson is upset. How about you seek comfort from all of those insulted undecided voter Hispanics your multiple argumentative questions on this thread assume exist in the real world? How many times did you embed that premise into a question on this thread alone? Three? About the number of times you beat your wife this morning, no?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    ‘Who Booked This F-cking Jerk?’: Trump Allies Pressed Campaign to Denounce Rally Comedian
    https://news.yahoo.com/news/booked-f-king-jerk-trump-154129514.html

    Quick Curle, go call them all stupidheads for believing it was a bad idea.

    Couldn't be that your orange mobster actually made a mistake. Other than slight indiscretions like banging a porn star while married and stacking classified documents in a bathroom he could actually be a real person that makes mistakes.

    "I should have declassified that document" - Trump on tape

    How about you seek comfort from all of those insulted undecided voter Hispanics your multiple argumentative questions on this thread assume exist in the real world?

    I'm not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It's a mathematical inevitability.

    Quite ironic that Trump fans are still just as sensitive to any criticism after the failed campaign against a 3 time loser.

    "We can put on stupid red hats and ignore polling data"

    - Unofficial strategy of Trump 2020 campaign

    Replies: @Curle, @Colin Wright

  313. @Mark G.
    @John Johnson

    "Now put on your stupid red hat and go find a Trump rally"

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse. If you do not want Harris, you either vote Trump or a third party candidate or stay home on election day.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter. The majority of libertarians understand that most immigrants lean left and are future Democrat voters.

    Believers in small government have traditionally been part of the Republican coalition. There was a small government Jeffersonian tradition in the Democrat party but, starting with FDR, they have largely abandoned it.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse.

    I’ve said many times that I am not voting for Harris as I do not support Affirmative Action.

    But some posters here clearly have a hard time with criticism of a former Democrat that they have turned into demigod. I did not want Biden in the last election and Trump Tribe lectured me on how I was buying into MSM propaganda when I warned that he was losing independents. In the last election they had the attitude that all data can be ignored because Trump broke the polls in 2016. Well he wasn’t able to do that in 2020 and the swing state data before the election was quite accurate. This year Trump has better numbers but it’s still a tight race where either side could win.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter.

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders. Americans that want minimal government should form their own party instead of sticking with a Rand based party that is for endless immigration and legal fentanyl. Such a party could also dump their 9 month abortion position. The libertarian party rejects basic Christian morals and embraces drug use. At first it sounds appealing until you learn of their more noxious beliefs.

    • Replies: @Catiline
    @John Johnson

    Mr Johnson, forgive my impertinence: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-261/#comment-6839823

    , @scrivener3
    @John Johnson


    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders.
     
    Wrong. libertarianism predates Rand and there is little agreement in doctrine. Rand believes in the nation state with a monopoly on the use of force but a limited government. Libertarianism really has not worked out the role of force in society other than prohibiting initiating force against others. Second, not wanting the government to prohibit certain behaviors with force is an aspect of supporting individual freedom. I don't want the government to prohibit Catholicism, that in no way means that I am in favor of Catholicism. I don't want the government to prohibit people from buying narcotics just as they can buy whiskey. That does not mean I am in favor of people using whiskey or narcotics.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "... Americans that want minimal government should form their own party ..."

    More practical to take over an existing party.

    , @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand
    ==
    Rand had absolutely no time for soi-disant 'Libertarians'. She and her acolytes had only an idle interest in workaday politics and tended to be partial to business Republicans to the extent they cared. She endorsed Gerald Ford.

    Replies: @Mark G., @John Johnson, @Alden

  314. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    No response of substance as usual.
     
    Oh look, the King of the argumentative premise thinks he should have a monopoly on its use. Not only are you King of the argumentative premise but you whine when your favored form of question is thrown back at you. John ‘Special Pleading’ Johnson is upset. How about you seek comfort from all of those insulted undecided voter Hispanics your multiple argumentative questions on this thread assume exist in the real world? How many times did you embed that premise into a question on this thread alone? Three? About the number of times you beat your wife this morning, no?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    ‘Who Booked This F-cking Jerk?’: Trump Allies Pressed Campaign to Denounce Rally Comedian
    https://news.yahoo.com/news/booked-f-king-jerk-trump-154129514.html

    Quick Curle, go call them all stupidheads for believing it was a bad idea.

    Couldn’t be that your orange mobster actually made a mistake. Other than slight indiscretions like banging a porn star while married and stacking classified documents in a bathroom he could actually be a real person that makes mistakes.

    “I should have declassified that document” – Trump on tape

    How about you seek comfort from all of those insulted undecided voter Hispanics your multiple argumentative questions on this thread assume exist in the real world?

    I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability.

    Quite ironic that Trump fans are still just as sensitive to any criticism after the failed campaign against a 3 time loser.

    “We can put on stupid red hats and ignore polling data”

    – Unofficial strategy of Trump 2020 campaign

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson

    Cited by Rolling Stone:

    “a close Trump ally.”

    Not a campaign spokesperson or even a member of his team, but RS was reduced to finding an “ally.”

    And upon that thinest of possible reeds John Johnson, the political savant, rationalizes his game changing prediction.

    And get a load of how someone so ambiguously described as an “ally” by the rarely reliable Rolling Stone is transformed into the “Trump campaign” by our little goofball friend Johnson here:


    You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.
     
    . The Trump campaign makes no such claim in the article you link to. They say his comments don’t reflect his views. Why would they? He’s a professional COMEDIAN. John, do you know the meaning of THAT word by chance?

    I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability.
     
    Cute, now what comment were you replying to? Was the subject of the sentence “undecided Hispanic voters” or was it “insulted undecided voter Hispanics”? Oh look, it was the latter. Little Johnny Johnson played the old switcheroo trying to make a non-response response. Unless Little Johnny Johnson really thinks that insulted Hispanic voters are going to determine this election? Do you Johnny? Do you think Trump’s mysterious “ally” who you’ve turned into a spokesperson for the campaign thinks this?
    , @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson


    'I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability...'
     
    You're aware a large number of Hispanics have a low opinion of Puerto Ricans themselves? 'Trashy' is the word I've heard -- funnily enough.

    ...Parenthetically, I find it interesting that everyone tends to assume what will or won't affect Hispanic voters and how they will be affected without ever consulting the Hispanics themselves. Like, no, promoting more immigration did not win their votes. No, they were not excited about 'Black Lives Matter.'

    Etc. Who'da thought? But apparently, no one ever bothered to ask.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  315. @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse.

    I've said many times that I am not voting for Harris as I do not support Affirmative Action.

    But some posters here clearly have a hard time with criticism of a former Democrat that they have turned into demigod. I did not want Biden in the last election and Trump Tribe lectured me on how I was buying into MSM propaganda when I warned that he was losing independents. In the last election they had the attitude that all data can be ignored because Trump broke the polls in 2016. Well he wasn't able to do that in 2020 and the swing state data before the election was quite accurate. This year Trump has better numbers but it's still a tight race where either side could win.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter.

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders. Americans that want minimal government should form their own party instead of sticking with a Rand based party that is for endless immigration and legal fentanyl. Such a party could also dump their 9 month abortion position. The libertarian party rejects basic Christian morals and embraces drug use. At first it sounds appealing until you learn of their more noxious beliefs.

    Replies: @Catiline, @scrivener3, @James B. Shearer, @Art Deco

  316. @John Johnson
    @Curle


    How is that good for his campaign?

     

    How much are you getting paid per post and do you get paid more the dumber the post, like this one?

    No response of substance as usual. Desperate name calling from Curle because he gets frustrated with his own intellectual dishonesty.

    The Trump campaign has tried to distance Trump from the comedian who made the joke:
    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-election-10-27-24/card/trump-campaign-distances-itself-from-comedian-tony-hinchcliffe-s-puerto-rico-comments-D4IcPmTIcXLFa7roZrp7?msockid=0f0d686f9c5f6b4910b578ef9dec6af7

    So there you have it. You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.

    Now put your on stupid red hat on and go find a Trump rally that will high five anything that you say. That is clearly what you desire and not an open forum.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Curle, @Curle

    From the WSJ:

    The Trump campaign has tried to distance Trump from the comedian who made the joke.

    They said his garbage comment doesn’t reflect his views. Did you think they did? Do you have such low respect for Hispanics you think they are pinheads at your level? Or that there are undecided Hispanic voters who will 1) act like an MSNBC contributor and attribute the comedian’s comment to Trump; or 2) decided Hispanic Trump voters who will fail to vote because an comedian made a joke at the expense of Puerto Ricans? The only thing this shows is the desperation setting in at Team Harris. They’re reduced to grasping at straws.

    Please, rather than comment here use your keen political insight to better effect as a campaign strategist for Ms Harris or some other Liberal. Every conservative across this nation will sleep better knowing you are calling the strategic shots for team Liberal.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “They said his garbage comment doesn’t reflect his views. Did you think they did?”

    Of course they reflect his position in non-white immigrants. Don’t be f—- naive.

    Replies: @Curle, @Alden

  317. @epebble
    @John Johnson

    How is that good for his campaign?

    I think he is using it well. He made Biden mumble something and is running with "See, they all call you garbage". With a garbage truck and clothing even. I think his talent for improvisation is immense.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Except the attitude that Trump and his advisors have toward the “non-white deplorables” remains strong. And of course his team is trying to say he really didn’t want this comedian there in the first place. That’s a straight up joke. Of course he wanted that messaging! Never you mind that he employed illegals in his own business empire and has his clothing line made oversees. Sure, he’s a great showman who has duped a ton of people.

  318. @Precious
    @John Johnson


    Explain the strategy of having a comedian insult Puerto Ricans in a state that is already lost.
     
    You aren't up on Puerto Rico news, so I will explain why the comedian roasted, not insulted, Puerto Rico and why Puerto Ricans found that roast joke funny.

    The Biden administration and Puerto Rico have been in some kind of dispute since 2022 when the federal government provided money to clean up the mountain of trash Puerto Rico has been generating and... not cleaning up. The corrupt Puerto Rican government embezzled much of it, and the trash problem...marginally improved? This is a source of frustration for Puerto Rican residents.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    The Biden administration and Puerto Rico have been in some kind of dispute since 2022 when the federal government provided money to clean up the mountain of trash Puerto Rico has been generating and… not cleaning up. The corrupt Puerto Rican government embezzled much of it, and the trash problem…marginally improved? This is a source of frustration for Puerto Rican residents.

    And do you think the MSM provided that context or ran a dozen stories implying that Trump is a dirty racist who likes racist comedians?

    You aren’t up on Puerto Rico news, so I will explain why the comedian roasted, not insulted, Puerto Rico and why Puerto Ricans found that roast joke funny.

    The MSM ran all kinds of interviews with Puerto Ricans that did not find it funny. To suggest that all Puerto Ricans found it funny is ridiculous.

    Why is it so hard to admit this was poor strategy? The Trump campaign already tried to distance themselves from him which isn’t going to work.

    Going to a swing state and eating dinner at a Mexican restaurant would have cost millions less and would have done more for the campaign.

    A red hat parade in NYC was a terrible idea and Trump made it worse with this crass lounge act who also made jokes about pulling out when there were families in the audience. Genius stuff. Trump could have a woman bang a horse onstage and you Trump fans would tell me that I’m lacking context and should not be questioning the campaign managers. Maybe he could have a wrestler give live commentary while gangster rap plays in the background.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @John Johnson


    Trump could have a woman bang a horse onstage and you Trump fans would tell me that I’m lacking context and should not be questioning the campaign managers.
     
    Well...some of us would like to see that act. And when Trump does or says outrageous things he often goes up in the polls. People like Trump because he is a loose cannon. But as you point out the problem with a loose cannon is that it is a loose cannon and can damage the ship.
    In the end the typical carefully orchestrated campaign you are advocating for can't work for Trump. You have to let him roll wildly around on the deck. It gives him authenticity.
    You can compare this to Bill Clinton's infamous "bimbo eruptions". His sex scandals were a net positive, winning him votes as the political Elvis.
    Whether this will net out for Trump, we shall see.
    , @Precious
    @John Johnson


    And do you think the MSM provided that context or ran a dozen stories implying that Trump is a dirty racist who likes racist comedians?

    The MSM ran all kinds of interviews with Puerto Ricans that did not find it funny. To suggest that all Puerto Ricans found it funny is ridiculous.

    Why is it so hard to admit this was poor strategy? The Trump campaign already tried to distance themselves from him which isn’t going to work.

    Going to a swing state and eating dinner at a Mexican restaurant would have cost millions less and would have done more for the campaign.

    A red hat parade in NYC was a terrible idea and Trump made it worse with this crass lounge act who also made jokes about pulling out when there were families in the audience. Genius stuff. Trump could have a woman bang a horse onstage and you Trump fans would tell me that I’m lacking context and should not be questioning the campaign managers. Maybe he could have a wrestler give live commentary while gangster rap plays in the background.
     

    In answer to your questions...

    1) No, they did the latter.
    2) Puerto Ricans found it funny, Puerto Rican hardcore leftists won't admit it.
    3) The strategy worked out just fine.
    4) That might have been true for someone else running against someone else, but Trump got more benefit with this thanks to Biden and a garbage truck.
    5) We could keep going but... reading your posts brings to mind Captain America movies...

    Answer one pointless objection by John Johnson... TWO MORE SHALL RISE TO TAKE ITS PLACE!!!

  319. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    From the WSJ:


    The Trump campaign has tried to distance Trump from the comedian who made the joke.
     
    They said his garbage comment doesn’t reflect his views. Did you think they did? Do you have such low respect for Hispanics you think they are pinheads at your level? Or that there are undecided Hispanic voters who will 1) act like an MSNBC contributor and attribute the comedian’s comment to Trump; or 2) decided Hispanic Trump voters who will fail to vote because an comedian made a joke at the expense of Puerto Ricans? The only thing this shows is the desperation setting in at Team Harris. They’re reduced to grasping at straws.

    Please, rather than comment here use your keen political insight to better effect as a campaign strategist for Ms Harris or some other Liberal. Every conservative across this nation will sleep better knowing you are calling the strategic shots for team Liberal.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “They said his garbage comment doesn’t reflect his views. Did you think they did?”

    Of course they reflect his position in non-white immigrants. Don’t be f—- naive.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Of course they reflect his position in non-white immigrants. Don’t be f—- naive.
     
    To the best of my knowledge Donald Trump has not and did not comment on the presence of garbage in Puerto Rico. Maybe you should give your opportunistic imagination a rest. Clearly you and John Johnson have problems most people don’t have, that is identifying the both the maker of a certain comment and the significance of that comment within the context of a comedy routine. Worse, you think that others, including Hispanics, share your perception problems.

    Take some time off. Relax. You are showing signs of stress related delusion.
    , @Alden
    @Corvinus

    Another Ignoramus of UNZ. Puerto Rico is subject to frequent hurricanes. Which leave massive amounts of destroyed buildings roads fences vehicles trees The destroyed trash has been collected in huge heaps. But the new landfill for it has yet to be bulldozed.

    Trash agencies are always planning ahead estimating when they will need a new landfill. But the bad hurricanes with mountains of trash create urgent needs for trash collection and removal. Puerto Ricans know about the problem of dealing with the mess left behind by hurricanes.. people joke about bad weather Blizzards, 10 foot snow drifts hurricanes tornados heat waves. People joke about them

    All those boxed meals during COVID. Because we’d all get COVID if we bought our food in food markets created a huge trash problem.

  320. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    ‘Who Booked This F-cking Jerk?’: Trump Allies Pressed Campaign to Denounce Rally Comedian
    https://news.yahoo.com/news/booked-f-king-jerk-trump-154129514.html

    Quick Curle, go call them all stupidheads for believing it was a bad idea.

    Couldn't be that your orange mobster actually made a mistake. Other than slight indiscretions like banging a porn star while married and stacking classified documents in a bathroom he could actually be a real person that makes mistakes.

    "I should have declassified that document" - Trump on tape

    How about you seek comfort from all of those insulted undecided voter Hispanics your multiple argumentative questions on this thread assume exist in the real world?

    I'm not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It's a mathematical inevitability.

    Quite ironic that Trump fans are still just as sensitive to any criticism after the failed campaign against a 3 time loser.

    "We can put on stupid red hats and ignore polling data"

    - Unofficial strategy of Trump 2020 campaign

    Replies: @Curle, @Colin Wright

    Cited by Rolling Stone:

    “a close Trump ally.”

    Not a campaign spokesperson or even a member of his team, but RS was reduced to finding an “ally.”

    And upon that thinest of possible reeds John Johnson, the political savant, rationalizes his game changing prediction.

    And get a load of how someone so ambiguously described as an “ally” by the rarely reliable Rolling Stone is transformed into the “Trump campaign” by our little goofball friend Johnson here:

    You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.

    . The Trump campaign makes no such claim in the article you link to. They say his comments don’t reflect his views. Why would they? He’s a professional COMEDIAN. John, do you know the meaning of THAT word by chance?

    I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability.

    Cute, now what comment were you replying to? Was the subject of the sentence “undecided Hispanic voters” or was it “insulted undecided voter Hispanics”? Oh look, it was the latter. Little Johnny Johnson played the old switcheroo trying to make a non-response response. Unless Little Johnny Johnson really thinks that insulted Hispanic voters are going to determine this election? Do you Johnny? Do you think Trump’s mysterious “ally” who you’ve turned into a spokesperson for the campaign thinks this?

  321. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “They said his garbage comment doesn’t reflect his views. Did you think they did?”

    Of course they reflect his position in non-white immigrants. Don’t be f—- naive.

    Replies: @Curle, @Alden

    Of course they reflect his position in non-white immigrants. Don’t be f—- naive.

    To the best of my knowledge Donald Trump has not and did not comment on the presence of garbage in Puerto Rico. Maybe you should give your opportunistic imagination a rest. Clearly you and John Johnson have problems most people don’t have, that is identifying the both the maker of a certain comment and the significance of that comment within the context of a comedy routine. Worse, you think that others, including Hispanics, share your perception problems.

    Take some time off. Relax. You are showing signs of stress related delusion.

  322. @John Johnson
    @Precious

    The Biden administration and Puerto Rico have been in some kind of dispute since 2022 when the federal government provided money to clean up the mountain of trash Puerto Rico has been generating and… not cleaning up. The corrupt Puerto Rican government embezzled much of it, and the trash problem…marginally improved? This is a source of frustration for Puerto Rican residents.

    And do you think the MSM provided that context or ran a dozen stories implying that Trump is a dirty racist who likes racist comedians?

    You aren’t up on Puerto Rico news, so I will explain why the comedian roasted, not insulted, Puerto Rico and why Puerto Ricans found that roast joke funny.

    The MSM ran all kinds of interviews with Puerto Ricans that did not find it funny. To suggest that all Puerto Ricans found it funny is ridiculous.

    Why is it so hard to admit this was poor strategy? The Trump campaign already tried to distance themselves from him which isn't going to work.

    Going to a swing state and eating dinner at a Mexican restaurant would have cost millions less and would have done more for the campaign.

    A red hat parade in NYC was a terrible idea and Trump made it worse with this crass lounge act who also made jokes about pulling out when there were families in the audience. Genius stuff. Trump could have a woman bang a horse onstage and you Trump fans would tell me that I'm lacking context and should not be questioning the campaign managers. Maybe he could have a wrestler give live commentary while gangster rap plays in the background.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Precious

    Trump could have a woman bang a horse onstage and you Trump fans would tell me that I’m lacking context and should not be questioning the campaign managers.

    Well…some of us would like to see that act. And when Trump does or says outrageous things he often goes up in the polls. People like Trump because he is a loose cannon. But as you point out the problem with a loose cannon is that it is a loose cannon and can damage the ship.
    In the end the typical carefully orchestrated campaign you are advocating for can’t work for Trump. You have to let him roll wildly around on the deck. It gives him authenticity.
    You can compare this to Bill Clinton’s infamous “bimbo eruptions”. His sex scandals were a net positive, winning him votes as the political Elvis.
    Whether this will net out for Trump, we shall see.

  323. @Greta Handel
    @Steve Sailer

    Who’s wishing?

    The perpetrators and principal beneficiaries of the dempanic knowingly misled and coerced millions of innocent people for power and money.

    Magnanimous sounding whitewash helps to immunize them from being held to account.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    The perpetrators and principal beneficiaries of the dempanic knowingly misled and coerced millions of innocent people for power and money.

    It is so, so important for everybody to come to understand this. But it is so, so, hard to get them to the place where they can admit to themselves that they were fooled.

    • Agree: Greta Handel
  324. @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse.

    I've said many times that I am not voting for Harris as I do not support Affirmative Action.

    But some posters here clearly have a hard time with criticism of a former Democrat that they have turned into demigod. I did not want Biden in the last election and Trump Tribe lectured me on how I was buying into MSM propaganda when I warned that he was losing independents. In the last election they had the attitude that all data can be ignored because Trump broke the polls in 2016. Well he wasn't able to do that in 2020 and the swing state data before the election was quite accurate. This year Trump has better numbers but it's still a tight race where either side could win.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter.

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders. Americans that want minimal government should form their own party instead of sticking with a Rand based party that is for endless immigration and legal fentanyl. Such a party could also dump their 9 month abortion position. The libertarian party rejects basic Christian morals and embraces drug use. At first it sounds appealing until you learn of their more noxious beliefs.

    Replies: @Catiline, @scrivener3, @James B. Shearer, @Art Deco

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders.

    Wrong. libertarianism predates Rand and there is little agreement in doctrine. Rand believes in the nation state with a monopoly on the use of force but a limited government. Libertarianism really has not worked out the role of force in society other than prohibiting initiating force against others. Second, not wanting the government to prohibit certain behaviors with force is an aspect of supporting individual freedom. I don’t want the government to prohibit Catholicism, that in no way means that I am in favor of Catholicism. I don’t want the government to prohibit people from buying narcotics just as they can buy whiskey. That does not mean I am in favor of people using whiskey or narcotics.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @scrivener3


    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders.

     

    Wrong. libertarianism predates Rand and there is little agreement in doctrine.

    No it does not.

    Cite a minimal government philosopher before Rand that advocated open borders to the third world and legalizing all drugs. You won't find one.

    The libertarian party platform is ratified by thousands of members each year. They support open borders, legal drugs, full auto guns for felons and 9 month abortions. These were all positions that were held by Rand.

    The founders of the libertarian party were followers of Rand. I've already sourced this for a libertarian that wanted to believe he wasn't following the demented orders of Alisa Rosenbaum.

    Libertarianism is a cult for White men that can't handle reality. Just look at a picture of any convention. It's all White male "individualists" that want to pretend that race doesn't exist while non-White races view acting collectively as completely natural.

    Race is real and Rand was wrong. It really is that simple. But in fairness to Rand I doubt she believed half the bullshit she expected White men to swallow.

  325. @Steve Sailer
    @Precious

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Thanks for what? You’re smarter than this, Mr. Sailer.

    Precious made up a story without any references or citations. Nothing remotely came up in the Google machine. Normally you fact check. Here you didn’t even bother. What gives?

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.

    https://fortune.com/2024/10/29/puerto-rico-angry-floating-island-garbage-trumps-rally-cant-vote-president/

    —That festering resentment erupted when Trump visited Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria slammed into the island as a powerful Category 4 storm in 2017. He tossed paper towels into a crowd and denied the storm’s official death toll, with experts estimating that nearly 3,000 people died in the sweltering aftermath.—

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus

    Now tell us how passing along civilian police reports/complaints regarding the use of cats and dogs for food is going to scuttle his candidacy. If Trump wins you and those others like you who ramp up the most trivial events into perpetual moral panics can give yourselves credit for his win.

    , @Precious
    @Corvinus


    Precious made up a story without any references or citations.
     
    ^Projection

    Nothing remotely came up in the Google machine.
     
    That's because Google is focused on the election and the controversy over the comments. Good luck finding it that way.

    https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-corruption-sues-government-officials-35fdf3975ea364caf67dd0ad1480b2fb

    Puerto Rico’s Justice Department had long been accused of not cracking down sufficiently on widespread government corruption on the island, with federal authorities taking the reins in recent years.

    “For the first time on the island, the Puerto Rican Justice Department sued more than 30 convicts for corruption with the purpose of recovering public funds and demanding reparation for the damages they caused to the Puerto Rican people,” Emanuelli said.

    The department also sued two companies, J.R. Asphalt Inc. and Waste Collection Corp. Federal authorities have previously accused them of being linked to government corruption cases.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/12/1098585366/in-puerto-rico-the-arrests-of-elected-officials-worsen-trust-in-government

    ADRIAN FLORIDO, HOST:

    The FBI and the Justice Department have been on a tear arresting elected officials in Puerto Rico. In the last six months, they've charged 6 of the island's 78 mayors for public corruption, and more are believed to be under investigation. It's a ballooning scandal that our next guest says is endangering the public trust in a government that's been steadily losing the confidence of many of its citizens. Benjamin Torres Gotay is a reporter and columnist for Puerto Rico's largest newspaper, El Nuevo Dia. He joins me now. Benjamin, (speaking Spanish).

    BENJAMIN TORRES GOTAY: (Speaking Spanish).

    FLORIDO: Six mayors arrested by the FBI in just six months. What are they accused of.

    GOTAY: (Through interpreter) They're accused of basically the same thing, which is asking for money in exchange for government contracts. And all of these cases involve the same two trash and asphalt companies.

    FLORIDO: And I understand that the Department of Justice has released some pretty damning evidence - photo, video evidence of some of this alleged bribery going on.

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.
     

    Keep crying about it Corvinus. A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke.

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.
     
    ^Two Republicans who panic easily and it sounds like they didn't get the joke.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Precious
    @Corvinus

    https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-corruption-sues-government-officials-35fdf3975ea364caf67dd0ad1480b2fb

    Puerto Rico’s Justice Department had long been accused of not cracking down sufficiently on widespread government corruption on the island, with federal authorities taking the reins in recent years.

    “For the first time on the island, the Puerto Rican Justice Department sued more than 30 convicts for corruption with the purpose of recovering public funds and demanding reparation for the damages they caused to the Puerto Rican people,” Emanuelli said.

    The department also sued two companies, J.R. Asphalt Inc. and Waste Collection Corp. Federal authorities have previously accused them of being linked to government corruption cases.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/12/1098585366/in-puerto-rico-the-arrests-of-elected-officials-worsen-trust-in-government

    ADRIAN FLORIDO, HOST:

    The FBI and the Justice Department have been on a tear arresting elected officials in Puerto Rico. In the last six months, they’ve charged 6 of the island’s 78 mayors for public corruption, and more are believed to be under investigation. It’s a ballooning scandal that our next guest says is endangering the public trust in a government that’s been steadily losing the confidence of many of its citizens. Benjamin Torres Gotay is a reporter and columnist for Puerto Rico’s largest newspaper, El Nuevo Dia. He joins me now. Benjamin, (speaking Spanish).

    BENJAMIN TORRES GOTAY: (Speaking Spanish).

    FLORIDO: Six mayors arrested by the FBI in just six months. What are they accused of.

    GOTAY: (Through interpreter) They’re accused of basically the same thing, which is asking for money in exchange for government contracts. And all of these cases involve the same two trash and asphalt companies.

    FLORIDO: And I understand that the Department of Justice has released some pretty damning evidence – photo, video evidence of some of this alleged bribery going on.


    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.
     
    Keep crying about it Corvinus. A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke.

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.
     
    ^Two Republicans who panic easily and it sounds like they didn’t get the joke.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  326. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for what? You’re smarter than this, Mr. Sailer.

    Precious made up a story without any references or citations. Nothing remotely came up in the Google machine. Normally you fact check. Here you didn’t even bother. What gives?

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.

    https://fortune.com/2024/10/29/puerto-rico-angry-floating-island-garbage-trumps-rally-cant-vote-president/

    —That festering resentment erupted when Trump visited Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria slammed into the island as a powerful Category 4 storm in 2017. He tossed paper towels into a crowd and denied the storm’s official death toll, with experts estimating that nearly 3,000 people died in the sweltering aftermath.—

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.

    Replies: @Curle, @Precious, @Precious

    Now tell us how passing along civilian police reports/complaints regarding the use of cats and dogs for food is going to scuttle his candidacy. If Trump wins you and those others like you who ramp up the most trivial events into perpetual moral panics can give yourselves credit for his win.

  327. @John Johnson
    @Precious

    The Biden administration and Puerto Rico have been in some kind of dispute since 2022 when the federal government provided money to clean up the mountain of trash Puerto Rico has been generating and… not cleaning up. The corrupt Puerto Rican government embezzled much of it, and the trash problem…marginally improved? This is a source of frustration for Puerto Rican residents.

    And do you think the MSM provided that context or ran a dozen stories implying that Trump is a dirty racist who likes racist comedians?

    You aren’t up on Puerto Rico news, so I will explain why the comedian roasted, not insulted, Puerto Rico and why Puerto Ricans found that roast joke funny.

    The MSM ran all kinds of interviews with Puerto Ricans that did not find it funny. To suggest that all Puerto Ricans found it funny is ridiculous.

    Why is it so hard to admit this was poor strategy? The Trump campaign already tried to distance themselves from him which isn't going to work.

    Going to a swing state and eating dinner at a Mexican restaurant would have cost millions less and would have done more for the campaign.

    A red hat parade in NYC was a terrible idea and Trump made it worse with this crass lounge act who also made jokes about pulling out when there were families in the audience. Genius stuff. Trump could have a woman bang a horse onstage and you Trump fans would tell me that I'm lacking context and should not be questioning the campaign managers. Maybe he could have a wrestler give live commentary while gangster rap plays in the background.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Precious

    And do you think the MSM provided that context or ran a dozen stories implying that Trump is a dirty racist who likes racist comedians?

    The MSM ran all kinds of interviews with Puerto Ricans that did not find it funny. To suggest that all Puerto Ricans found it funny is ridiculous.

    Why is it so hard to admit this was poor strategy? The Trump campaign already tried to distance themselves from him which isn’t going to work.

    Going to a swing state and eating dinner at a Mexican restaurant would have cost millions less and would have done more for the campaign.

    A red hat parade in NYC was a terrible idea and Trump made it worse with this crass lounge act who also made jokes about pulling out when there were families in the audience. Genius stuff. Trump could have a woman bang a horse onstage and you Trump fans would tell me that I’m lacking context and should not be questioning the campaign managers. Maybe he could have a wrestler give live commentary while gangster rap plays in the background.

    In answer to your questions…

    1) No, they did the latter.
    2) Puerto Ricans found it funny, Puerto Rican hardcore leftists won’t admit it.
    3) The strategy worked out just fine.
    4) That might have been true for someone else running against someone else, but Trump got more benefit with this thanks to Biden and a garbage truck.
    5) We could keep going but… reading your posts brings to mind Captain America movies…

    Answer one pointless objection by John Johnson… TWO MORE SHALL RISE TO TAKE ITS PLACE!!!

  328. @Colin Wright
    Trump's lead is going to widen to the point where it will be impossible for the Democrats to fudge a win.

    Plus, Harris is so unpopular that many Democrats just aren't on board. Is Zuckerberg sponsoring collecting ballots this time around? I know both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post are refusing to endorse Harris. Would they cooperate again in a Russian collusion fraud or overlooking election irregularities?

    I think Trump's going to win, and the win won't be taken away from him.

    People I want to see active in the new administration. J.D. Vance, Elon Musk, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Tulsi Gabbard, Mayra Flores...

    Marjorie Taylor Greene!

    https://greene.house.gov/images/hero-img.png

    ...and just to reach across party lines... Rashida Tlaib as ambassadrix to Israel Palestine. Okay, okay: can't have that, I guess.

    Replies: @anonymous, @ScarletNumber, @John Johnson, @Buzz Mohawk, @Alden

    I love Marjorie Taylor Greene A democrat friend calls me Marjorie Taylor Greene because I’m as mouthy as she and my name begins with an M. There’s no reason to be nice anymore.

  329. @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse.

    I've said many times that I am not voting for Harris as I do not support Affirmative Action.

    But some posters here clearly have a hard time with criticism of a former Democrat that they have turned into demigod. I did not want Biden in the last election and Trump Tribe lectured me on how I was buying into MSM propaganda when I warned that he was losing independents. In the last election they had the attitude that all data can be ignored because Trump broke the polls in 2016. Well he wasn't able to do that in 2020 and the swing state data before the election was quite accurate. This year Trump has better numbers but it's still a tight race where either side could win.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter.

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders. Americans that want minimal government should form their own party instead of sticking with a Rand based party that is for endless immigration and legal fentanyl. Such a party could also dump their 9 month abortion position. The libertarian party rejects basic Christian morals and embraces drug use. At first it sounds appealing until you learn of their more noxious beliefs.

    Replies: @Catiline, @scrivener3, @James B. Shearer, @Art Deco

    “… Americans that want minimal government should form their own party …”

    More practical to take over an existing party.

  330. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “They said his garbage comment doesn’t reflect his views. Did you think they did?”

    Of course they reflect his position in non-white immigrants. Don’t be f—- naive.

    Replies: @Curle, @Alden

    Another Ignoramus of UNZ. Puerto Rico is subject to frequent hurricanes. Which leave massive amounts of destroyed buildings roads fences vehicles trees The destroyed trash has been collected in huge heaps. But the new landfill for it has yet to be bulldozed.

    Trash agencies are always planning ahead estimating when they will need a new landfill. But the bad hurricanes with mountains of trash create urgent needs for trash collection and removal. Puerto Ricans know about the problem of dealing with the mess left behind by hurricanes.. people joke about bad weather Blizzards, 10 foot snow drifts hurricanes tornados heat waves. People joke about them

    All those boxed meals during COVID. Because we’d all get COVID if we bought our food in food markets created a huge trash problem.

  331. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Not as widespread or rampant as you have been propagandized to think.
     
    So, regarding fraud, you concede the point and change the subject.

    “in areas where the ‘culture’ is more tolerant of crime and criminals in general”.

    Sweeping generalization.
     
    Not so sweeping as to be instructive regarding common characteristics found in voter fraud and where it happens.

    Stop being a shill. “The base isn’t energized” or “it looks like people are sitting this election out” are common tropes used the D’s and R’s. The reality is that both sides are motivated to vote.
     
    These tropes as you call them correlate strongly with low right track/wrong track responses to the question “is the country on the right or wrong track.” Incumbents m, and their parties, don’t win where the right track number is below 25% and they are in big trouble anytime that number is lower than 30%. Right track is now at 28%. It reflects a demoralized base for the incumbent as well as low propensity voters of the incumbent party who show up in higher Right Track years and sit it out otherwise. Why do you think Obama was out lecturing Black men?

    when he falsely claimed widespread fraud in mail-in voting.
     
    Like so many of your claims you have no idea whether this is true or not only that the mechanisms in place in 2020, as in my King County example, don’t allow for accurate post election determination of the matter which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter. So here you are making a false claim about an unknown. But lying, or outright stupidity, is your calling card isn’t it?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “So, regarding fraud, you concede the point and change the subject.”

    Yes, there’s been reports of fraud in several presidential elections. But not widespread or rampant. And look at who’s not even addressing the fact that Powell and Giuliani—Trump attorneys—were exposed as liars regarding their claims of fraud.

    “It reflects a demoralized base for the incumbent as well as low propensity voters of the incumbent party”

    Again, this is straight up gaslighting in your part.
    Both sides are extremely motivated to get out and vote, to ensure that their candidates win.

    “which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter”

    In case after case in the aftermath of the 2020 election, judge after judge threw out bogus claims made by Trump about voter fraud. That’s the reality that you refuse to deal with.

    “Now tell us how passing along civilian police reports/complaints regarding the use of cats and dogs for food is going to scuttle his candidacy. If Trump wins you and those others like you who ramp up the most trivial events into perpetual moral panics can give yourselves credit for his win.”

    It’s not trivial when the ex-president’s team who claim to be courting “non white deplorable”, then hires with his knowledge a comedian to message about his disdain for “non white deplorables” days before the election to assure his base that it’s all white to vote for him.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus

    Corvy, out of desperation says:


    Again, this is straight up gaslighting in your part.
    Both sides are extremely motivated to get out and vote, to ensure that their candidates win.
     
    Some of the D coalition’s most reliable and energetic voters, particular Blacks, aren’t returning ballots in the early returns at levels comparable to earlier D victories, your patented denial contradicted by the evidence style of claim making notwithstanding. But thanks for reminding us how unconcerned you are about reality.

    Then you say:

    In case after case in the aftermath of the 2020 election, judge after judge threw out bogus claims made by Trump about voter fraud. That’s the reality that you refuse to deal with.
     
    An odd reply to this post where I explained precisely how voter fraud survives legal review. Since your brain doesn’t seem to be able to grasp this kind of subtle distinction I’ll repost it for those who wish to see how you exert energy denying things you don’t want to hear:

    There is no real deterrence when the authorities are in on the crime or turn a blind eye because election challenges have impossible to meet standards for proving fraud. For instance, in the 2004 general election in the King County, Washington, there were more than 1000 invalid ballots that mysteriously found there way from the secure invalid ballots cage to be counted on election night likely making the difference in a close gubernatorial race in favor of the D. King County is. 70% D county and the election workers who made this error (?) that none confessed to were patronage hires of the D Executive. The judge who heard the challenge wouldn’t or couldn’t take proportions into consideration when adjudicating the election, proportions that would have changed the outcome (reducing the 1000 ballots proportionate of the D and R vote ) and so by introducing 1000 invalid ballots into the vote stream ambiguity which greatly favored Ds likely changed the result and was allowed to stand. This is how voter fraud is effectuated; by introducing ambiguity into the ballot counting process in jurisdictions that favor one party over another.
     

    Like so many of your claims you have no idea whether this is true or not only that the mechanisms in place in 2020, as in my King County example, don’t allow for accurate post election determination of the matter which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter. So here you are making a false claim about an unknown. But lying, or outright stupidity, is your calling card isn’t it?
     

    Replies: @Corvinus

  332. @Mr. Anon
    @John Johnson


    COVID is over so I really don’t understand why the anti-vaxxers still rant about it.
     
    It is not "anti-vax" to object to being compelled to get a vaccine. It is anti-compulsion. Something you pro-tyranny people never understood and still don't.

    Those of us who opposed COVID-tyranny still talk about it because nothing was resolved. Nobody apologized. Nobody admitted they were wrong. Nobody was punished. We still talk about it because it was tyranny and we object to tyranny. We still talk about it because they could do it all over again.

    Replies: @jsm

    And we still talk about it because there are real people out there still suffering from the real harms that the vaccine they got, under duress, caused.

  333. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Kaiser Wilhelm

    Like every anti-abortion zealot, you hold bizarre religious views. In fact, you are a nut. The funny thing about you guys is that you are singularly lacking in compassion. You beat your chest about loving embryos, but would bring an endless stream of deformed, retarded children into the world for the sole purpose of suffering. Because you think that's what Jesus wants? You think Jesus is a psycho sadist?

    This is beyond stupid. As I've pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). They happen all the time. No one has performed more abortions than God Almighty.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Mike Tre

    “This is beyond stupid. As I’ve pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). ”

    I am typically in agreement with your worldview, but this statement resembles the same quick-definition-change antics leftists like to engage in.

    An abortion is a deliberate act, whereas a spontaneous miscarriage is not (the result of a deliberate act). Your former points stand without resorting to the redefining of terms.

    I hope that you at least recognize that abortion on demand is one of the strategies used in the reduction/replacement of European descended people.

    And I am not an absolutist, so please leave that brush in the paint can.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Mike Tre

    I get the point that there is a difference between a natural act and an intentional one. So yes, there is a difference between falling off a cliff and having someone push you! But no one really believes those 20 billion souls existed and went to heaven.

    I don't think an embryo is "ensouled".

    Blacks apparently have the highest abortion rate, like 4 times more. Probably because they don't think to use birth control. Hispanics are twice as likely as Whites to have an abortion. Anyone feel free to check those numbers but that's what I find. I would also note, most anti-abortion activists are pretty aggressive race-mixers. These are the evangelicals who adopt African children.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  334. @prime noticer
    the decline of Arnold is complete.

    for years one of my heroes, he is now just a decrepit old coward.

    seems to happen to many of the guys who were on steroids for decades then come off.

    not all of them of course. Hogan handled things correctly here.

    as a general observation, it is not necessary to do what Arnold is doing. maybe he just so desperately wants to be liked and praised as he was during his prime that he'll do anything.

    but if you even peripherally involved in any strength and fitness stuff, he is nearly universally panned for his total character inversion over the last 10 years. he has destroyed his legendary status for becoming an NPC, and a dull one at that. listening to Arnold now is like listening to Democrat central HQ. it's sad and pathetic.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    “seems to happen to many of the guys who were on steroids for decades then come off.”

    You’re still peddling this foolishness I see. Still waiting for you to link to the study linking brain tumors to HGH.

    Arnold has been a two faced cheap opportunist his entire life. I mean, he endorsed Bush’s Anabolic Steroids Control Act passed in 1990. For every steroid user like Arnold, there are thousand’s of anonymous steroid users who just go on about their lives.

  335. Professor McDonald has updated his early voting statistics. Some interesting facts are:

    Total Early Votes: 64,380,816
    • In-Person Early Votes: 34,247,713
    • Mail Ballots Returned: 30,015,268
    • Mail Ballots Requested: 66,827,885

    If all the mail ballots are returned, In-Person early votes + Mail ballots are already exceeding 101 million. Total votes in 2020 was 155 million (which was highest turnout in a century). Whatever may happen, this will likely be a huge election.

    Which also means, more time needed to count and declare the winner – even a few days. It seems very likely that Trump will declare he is a winner on early Wednesday morning and call the election as rigged if he doesn’t win. Looks like now onwards, the convenience of early and mail voting has to contend with allegations of rigged election by the party that gets more election day votes and fewer mailed in ballots.

    Also, F-M is still 10.5% and that is starting to cause some freakouts.

    https://www.newsweek.com/women-dominate-early-voting-trump-supporters-nervous-1977757

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/29/gender-gap-early-voting-00186155

    • Replies: @Curle
    @epebble

    Richard Baris said a few days ago that women voting earlier than men happens every cycle. Note that the Politico article gives no historic perspective. Then they bury the lede at the end.


    In North Carolina, women are outpacing men among registered voters in the state, although it is Republican women who have voted more than any other group so far,
     
    If you’re going to get worried do it when you’ve got a good reason. Here’s Richard Baris. I haven’t listened yet but if you find something worrying then by all means get worried.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBWJj1nwNZ4
  336. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for what? You’re smarter than this, Mr. Sailer.

    Precious made up a story without any references or citations. Nothing remotely came up in the Google machine. Normally you fact check. Here you didn’t even bother. What gives?

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.

    https://fortune.com/2024/10/29/puerto-rico-angry-floating-island-garbage-trumps-rally-cant-vote-president/

    —That festering resentment erupted when Trump visited Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria slammed into the island as a powerful Category 4 storm in 2017. He tossed paper towels into a crowd and denied the storm’s official death toll, with experts estimating that nearly 3,000 people died in the sweltering aftermath.—

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.

    Replies: @Curle, @Precious, @Precious

    Precious made up a story without any references or citations.

    ^Projection

    Nothing remotely came up in the Google machine.

    That’s because Google is focused on the election and the controversy over the comments. Good luck finding it that way.

    https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-corruption-sues-government-officials-35fdf3975ea364caf67dd0ad1480b2fb

    Puerto Rico’s Justice Department had long been accused of not cracking down sufficiently on widespread government corruption on the island, with federal authorities taking the reins in recent years.

    “For the first time on the island, the Puerto Rican Justice Department sued more than 30 convicts for corruption with the purpose of recovering public funds and demanding reparation for the damages they caused to the Puerto Rican people,” Emanuelli said.

    The department also sued two companies, J.R. Asphalt Inc. and Waste Collection Corp. Federal authorities have previously accused them of being linked to government corruption cases.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/12/1098585366/in-puerto-rico-the-arrests-of-elected-officials-worsen-trust-in-government

    ADRIAN FLORIDO, HOST:

    The FBI and the Justice Department have been on a tear arresting elected officials in Puerto Rico. In the last six months, they’ve charged 6 of the island’s 78 mayors for public corruption, and more are believed to be under investigation. It’s a ballooning scandal that our next guest says is endangering the public trust in a government that’s been steadily losing the confidence of many of its citizens. Benjamin Torres Gotay is a reporter and columnist for Puerto Rico’s largest newspaper, El Nuevo Dia. He joins me now. Benjamin, (speaking Spanish).

    BENJAMIN TORRES GOTAY: (Speaking Spanish).

    FLORIDO: Six mayors arrested by the FBI in just six months. What are they accused of.

    GOTAY: (Through interpreter) They’re accused of basically the same thing, which is asking for money in exchange for government contracts. And all of these cases involve the same two trash and asphalt companies.

    FLORIDO: And I understand that the Department of Justice has released some pretty damning evidence – photo, video evidence of some of this alleged bribery going on.

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.

    Keep crying about it Corvinus. A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke.

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.

    ^Two Republicans who panic easily and it sounds like they didn’t get the joke.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Precious

    It was only until I requested the citation that you provided one. You should have done that from the jump. Thank you for the link. Although, I thought we can't trust the media, especially NPR. What gives?

    Anyways, I'm glad you agreed that is great that the Biden Administration is cracking down. Not so much under Trump. He claims to "have done so much for Puerto Ricans". Not really.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-probe-confirms-trump-officials-blocked-puerto-rico-receiving-hurri-rcna749


    The Trump administration's OMB also insisted on overhauls to Puerto Rico’s property management records, suspension of its minimum wage on federal contracts and other prerequisites to access relief funds, according to the report. Some HUD officials worried such requirements were potentially beyond HUD’s authority to impose on grantees.

    The Office of Inspector General began the review in March 2019 after Congress asked it to look into hurricane aid delays as the island sought to recover from a storm that resulted in the deaths of 2,975 people and triggered the world's second-longest blackout.

    Seven months after the probe was launched, two top HUD officials admitted to knowingly missing the congressionally mandated deadline to issue a notice that would have unlocked billions in federal recovery funds to Puerto Rico. Carson later defended his agency's actions by echoing Trump talking points — citing concerns about corruption, fiscal irregularities and "Puerto Rico's capacity to manage these funds."
     
    Trump claimed that $92 billion was sent to Puerto Rico to support recovery from Hurricane Maria. The reality? Only $42 billion was allocated by Congress. Of those funds, only $14 billion has been received by Puerto Rico. And an official under Trump in 2019 was indicted for corruption there.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-pr/pr/fema-deputy-regional-administrator-former-president-cobra-acquisitions-llc-and-another

    "A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke."

    A roast comedian roasts a person who knows he/she will get roasted. Furthermore, it was a botched move politically given how Trump and his team supposedly are courting Hispanics.

    Replies: @Precious, @Curle

  337. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for what? You’re smarter than this, Mr. Sailer.

    Precious made up a story without any references or citations. Nothing remotely came up in the Google machine. Normally you fact check. Here you didn’t even bother. What gives?

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.

    https://fortune.com/2024/10/29/puerto-rico-angry-floating-island-garbage-trumps-rally-cant-vote-president/

    —That festering resentment erupted when Trump visited Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria slammed into the island as a powerful Category 4 storm in 2017. He tossed paper towels into a crowd and denied the storm’s official death toll, with experts estimating that nearly 3,000 people died in the sweltering aftermath.—

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.

    Replies: @Curle, @Precious, @Precious

    https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-corruption-sues-government-officials-35fdf3975ea364caf67dd0ad1480b2fb

    Puerto Rico’s Justice Department had long been accused of not cracking down sufficiently on widespread government corruption on the island, with federal authorities taking the reins in recent years.

    “For the first time on the island, the Puerto Rican Justice Department sued more than 30 convicts for corruption with the purpose of recovering public funds and demanding reparation for the damages they caused to the Puerto Rican people,” Emanuelli said.

    The department also sued two companies, J.R. Asphalt Inc. and Waste Collection Corp. Federal authorities have previously accused them of being linked to government corruption cases.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/12/1098585366/in-puerto-rico-the-arrests-of-elected-officials-worsen-trust-in-government

    ADRIAN FLORIDO, HOST:

    The FBI and the Justice Department have been on a tear arresting elected officials in Puerto Rico. In the last six months, they’ve charged 6 of the island’s 78 mayors for public corruption, and more are believed to be under investigation. It’s a ballooning scandal that our next guest says is endangering the public trust in a government that’s been steadily losing the confidence of many of its citizens. Benjamin Torres Gotay is a reporter and columnist for Puerto Rico’s largest newspaper, El Nuevo Dia. He joins me now. Benjamin, (speaking Spanish).

    BENJAMIN TORRES GOTAY: (Speaking Spanish).

    FLORIDO: Six mayors arrested by the FBI in just six months. What are they accused of.

    GOTAY: (Through interpreter) They’re accused of basically the same thing, which is asking for money in exchange for government contracts. And all of these cases involve the same two trash and asphalt companies.

    FLORIDO: And I understand that the Department of Justice has released some pretty damning evidence – photo, video evidence of some of this alleged bribery going on.

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.

    Keep crying about it Corvinus. A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke.

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.

    ^Two Republicans who panic easily and it sounds like they didn’t get the joke.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Precious

    Good to see the Administration doing some things to straighten up Puerto Rico's governmental crookedness.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Corvinus

  338. @V. K. Ovelund
    @epebble


    [W]hy doesn’t the anti-abortion movement work as vigorously towards promoting contraception as towards reducing abortions?
     
    I happen to have long personal acquaintance with several unusually serious, high-caliber, high-intellect, high-achieving, committed members of the anti-abortion movement, persons with whom my wife and I completely avoid discussion of abortion because we do not wish to wreck valuable friendships—so it is curious that I should be discussing the matter with you (whom I have never met) rather than with them. However, they are uninterested in what I have to say on the topic whereas you seem to be interested, so here goes.

    Central to the propagation of mankind, sex is a serious matter. Contraception outside marriage promotes fornication and turns otherwise marriable women into—well, one would rather not write such harsh words as “slut,” but is there a polite way to say it? Within marriage, contraception warps marriage's purpose, which is formation of the family, and it skips the hard, mind-focusing virtue of abstinence.

    The last paragraph leaves much to unpack, of course. I do not claim myself to have lived wholly up to its standard, but it is a fine standard and (if you wish to know) I agree with the pro-lifers as far as it goes.

    The dispiriting problem with the radical pro-lifers is that they will not grapple with the reality that resources in this fallen world are limited, history is violently competitive, and human life is often, regrettably cheap. The right way to be pro-life is not to be pro-life universally, but to be pro-life within one's own extended family. The principle of subsidiarity ought to be paramount.

    When you have a nineteen-year-old daughter (I don't) that, when drunk, shamefully lets some low-quality cad impregnate her, you are not going to be interested in the abstract moral lectures of the righteous. You are going to want your daughter to have the option to get her life back on track before the unwanted pregnancy ruins it. I do not say that this want is admirable, only that is powerful and highly consequential. “You can gamble with your own daughter's life, but leave my daughter alone!” This is the hard lesson the radical pro-lifers have been learning at the ballot box.

    Just because people don't talk back to the radical pro-lifers does not mean that people agree with them.

    A full answer to your question would require a book, not a blog comment, of course. My own position, if you wish to know, is that abortion is indeed the terrible slaughter of the innocent, but that too many of the radical pro-lifers have schooled themselves to banish genuine empathy for women facing the concrete, life-ruining consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. I am also a racist and observe that, realistically, abortion among blacks mitigates a dangerous social problem for whites like me and my family. Whether the radical pro-lifers are wrong in the abstract, I do not know; but I do know that the radical pro-lifers refuse to listen. Refusal to listen in matters of such heavy consequence is a vice.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble

    Very nice explanation and it confirms an inkling I had that this is very much about their unique religious notion of moral virtue. Young women should only have sex inside marriage and solely for the purpose of having children.

    If that imposes suffering, so much the better. I’m reminded that Mother Theresa never wanted to get rid of poverty, she just thought we should minister to it and suffer along with them, as did Christ on the Cross.

    We are moving toward a time when we can improve on the natural way of doing things. Genomics is here along with embryo selection and soon genetic modification of adults will be available. Sexual activity can increasingly be separated from procreation.

  339. @Precious
    @Corvinus

    https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-corruption-sues-government-officials-35fdf3975ea364caf67dd0ad1480b2fb

    Puerto Rico’s Justice Department had long been accused of not cracking down sufficiently on widespread government corruption on the island, with federal authorities taking the reins in recent years.

    “For the first time on the island, the Puerto Rican Justice Department sued more than 30 convicts for corruption with the purpose of recovering public funds and demanding reparation for the damages they caused to the Puerto Rican people,” Emanuelli said.

    The department also sued two companies, J.R. Asphalt Inc. and Waste Collection Corp. Federal authorities have previously accused them of being linked to government corruption cases.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/12/1098585366/in-puerto-rico-the-arrests-of-elected-officials-worsen-trust-in-government

    ADRIAN FLORIDO, HOST:

    The FBI and the Justice Department have been on a tear arresting elected officials in Puerto Rico. In the last six months, they’ve charged 6 of the island’s 78 mayors for public corruption, and more are believed to be under investigation. It’s a ballooning scandal that our next guest says is endangering the public trust in a government that’s been steadily losing the confidence of many of its citizens. Benjamin Torres Gotay is a reporter and columnist for Puerto Rico’s largest newspaper, El Nuevo Dia. He joins me now. Benjamin, (speaking Spanish).

    BENJAMIN TORRES GOTAY: (Speaking Spanish).

    FLORIDO: Six mayors arrested by the FBI in just six months. What are they accused of.

    GOTAY: (Through interpreter) They’re accused of basically the same thing, which is asking for money in exchange for government contracts. And all of these cases involve the same two trash and asphalt companies.

    FLORIDO: And I understand that the Department of Justice has released some pretty damning evidence – photo, video evidence of some of this alleged bribery going on.


    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.
     
    Keep crying about it Corvinus. A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke.

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.
     
    ^Two Republicans who panic easily and it sounds like they didn’t get the joke.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Good to see the Administration doing some things to straighten up Puerto Rico’s governmental crookedness.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    "Good to see the Administration doing some things to straighten up Puerto Rico’s governmental crookedness."

    Right, the Biden Administration. Not so much under Trump. Why not NOTICE it?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-probe-confirms-trump-officials-blocked-puerto-rico-receiving-hurri-rcna749


    The Trump administration's OMB also insisted on overhauls to Puerto Rico’s property management records, suspension of its minimum wage on federal contracts and other prerequisites to access relief funds, according to the report. Some HUD officials worried such requirements were potentially beyond HUD’s authority to impose on grantees.

    The Office of Inspector General began the review in March 2019 after Congress asked it to look into hurricane aid delays as the island sought to recover from a storm that resulted in the deaths of 2,975 people and triggered the world's second-longest blackout.

    Seven months after the probe was launched, two top HUD officials admitted to knowingly missing the congressionally mandated deadline to issue a notice that would have unlocked billions in federal recovery funds to Puerto Rico. Carson later defended his agency's actions by echoing Trump talking points — citing concerns about corruption, fiscal irregularities and "Puerto Rico's capacity to manage these funds."
     
    Trump claimed that $92 billion was sent to Puerto Rico to support recovery from Hurricane Maria. The reality? Only $42 billion was allocated by Congress. Of those funds, only $14 billion has been received by Puerto Rico. And an official under Trump in 2019 was indicted for corruption there.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-pr/pr/fema-deputy-regional-administrator-former-president-cobra-acquisitions-llc-and-another
    , @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, no, the Yarvin’s and the Hannania’s are not marginal today, as evident by their influence on Peter Theil and Elon Musk, who poured quite a few dollars toward Trump. Didn’t you even write a review of Hannania’s book?

    I gets why you run interference here. My vague impression is that you are not the bit religious, and your positions get exposed when the counter narrative is rooted in doctrines of the Good Book. So you tend to steer clear about your NOTICINGS of Christianity.

  340. @Mike Tre
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    "This is beyond stupid. As I’ve pointed out, there have been at least 20 billion spontaneous abortions in human history (called miscarriages). "

    I am typically in agreement with your worldview, but this statement resembles the same quick-definition-change antics leftists like to engage in.

    An abortion is a deliberate act, whereas a spontaneous miscarriage is not (the result of a deliberate act). Your former points stand without resorting to the redefining of terms.

    I hope that you at least recognize that abortion on demand is one of the strategies used in the reduction/replacement of European descended people.

    And I am not an absolutist, so please leave that brush in the paint can.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    I get the point that there is a difference between a natural act and an intentional one. So yes, there is a difference between falling off a cliff and having someone push you! But no one really believes those 20 billion souls existed and went to heaven.

    I don’t think an embryo is “ensouled”.

    Blacks apparently have the highest abortion rate, like 4 times more. Probably because they don’t think to use birth control. Hispanics are twice as likely as Whites to have an abortion. Anyone feel free to check those numbers but that’s what I find. I would also note, most anti-abortion activists are pretty aggressive race-mixers. These are the evangelicals who adopt African children.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    The abortion debate illustrates perfectly the fundamental problem with a multiracial society: Different races of people quite simply require different sets of rules in order to function within it.

    The Constitution was written by and meant for a very specific and select group of Western Europeans. Negroes, mestizos, Asians and even some Eastern European groups cannot function productively within its boundaries alone. They require what I refer to as "intensive local authority." They are not equipped to function in a high trust, advanced society. The require stricter rules and harsher punishment.

    We need Western European descended people having more children, and need everyone else having less. Abortion, applied with this in mind, is arguably a moral action.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

  341. @V. K. Ovelund
    @epebble


    [W]hy doesn’t the anti-abortion movement work as vigorously towards promoting contraception as towards reducing abortions?
     
    I happen to have long personal acquaintance with several unusually serious, high-caliber, high-intellect, high-achieving, committed members of the anti-abortion movement, persons with whom my wife and I completely avoid discussion of abortion because we do not wish to wreck valuable friendships—so it is curious that I should be discussing the matter with you (whom I have never met) rather than with them. However, they are uninterested in what I have to say on the topic whereas you seem to be interested, so here goes.

    Central to the propagation of mankind, sex is a serious matter. Contraception outside marriage promotes fornication and turns otherwise marriable women into—well, one would rather not write such harsh words as “slut,” but is there a polite way to say it? Within marriage, contraception warps marriage's purpose, which is formation of the family, and it skips the hard, mind-focusing virtue of abstinence.

    The last paragraph leaves much to unpack, of course. I do not claim myself to have lived wholly up to its standard, but it is a fine standard and (if you wish to know) I agree with the pro-lifers as far as it goes.

    The dispiriting problem with the radical pro-lifers is that they will not grapple with the reality that resources in this fallen world are limited, history is violently competitive, and human life is often, regrettably cheap. The right way to be pro-life is not to be pro-life universally, but to be pro-life within one's own extended family. The principle of subsidiarity ought to be paramount.

    When you have a nineteen-year-old daughter (I don't) that, when drunk, shamefully lets some low-quality cad impregnate her, you are not going to be interested in the abstract moral lectures of the righteous. You are going to want your daughter to have the option to get her life back on track before the unwanted pregnancy ruins it. I do not say that this want is admirable, only that is powerful and highly consequential. “You can gamble with your own daughter's life, but leave my daughter alone!” This is the hard lesson the radical pro-lifers have been learning at the ballot box.

    Just because people don't talk back to the radical pro-lifers does not mean that people agree with them.

    A full answer to your question would require a book, not a blog comment, of course. My own position, if you wish to know, is that abortion is indeed the terrible slaughter of the innocent, but that too many of the radical pro-lifers have schooled themselves to banish genuine empathy for women facing the concrete, life-ruining consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. I am also a racist and observe that, realistically, abortion among blacks mitigates a dangerous social problem for whites like me and my family. Whether the radical pro-lifers are wrong in the abstract, I do not know; but I do know that the radical pro-lifers refuse to listen. Refusal to listen in matters of such heavy consequence is a vice.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble

    Thank you for a thoughtful and informative response. I had suspected some of the issues you have mentioned as the cause behind apparent disinterest shown by the anti-abortion movement towards promoting increased contraception as the least confrontational method for reducing the number of abortions (at little political cost, if one may add).

    There are many illogical aspects to this behavior by the anti-abortion movement. First, it is well established that a large number of abortions are sought by married women and women who have already had children. This is generally due to failure in contraception or forgetfulness/carelessness, inability to get refills etc. Thus, portraying these instances as “immoral” is absurd. One would think that a well-planned “immoral” liaison this day and age would be well protected by the array of contraceptives available. Secondly, if the anti-abortion movement is really interested in promoting only marital sex, maybe they should actively seek public policy that encourages people to marry and remain married. They may be better off advocating for this directly rather than surreptitiously. Promotion of marriage has no opponents unlike imposing strict anti-abortion measures either legislatively or judicially. For example, they may advocate for increased marriage ‘bonus’ in taxation. Single people pay X% on a particular income bracket while married people get a 25% discount each; married people get to deduct house rent, even auto loan etc., from tax. That would definitely make marriage ‘worthwhile’ for many people who may not be that keen now, asking what the use is. Thirdly, as you mentioned, the long-term societal cost of dysgenic births of unwanted pregnancies. It is not hard to imagine that a woman who did not want to continue her pregnancy were to be forced to do so, will not be a good person for the fetus – I am talking about, say, not smoking, drinking, drug use, going for medical visits, generally having a stable and healthy household after the child is born. Naturally, this may lead to the child failing in society and becoming an anti-social burden than a productive citizen.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @epebble


    Promotion of marriage has no opponents....
     
    This had not occurred to me. It is an interesting point.

    In your view, should no-fault divorce be banned?

    The topic calls to mind a story. About thirty years ago, I had an uncle who was elected president of a major U.S. national trade association, the voting members of which were wealthy business owners, mostly white men aged 45 to 65. The association held a posh four-day national conference annually with white linen, manicured landscaping, golf, a luxury shopping tour for the wives, and so on; not to mention committee meetings, a general business meeting, and the election of the next year's president. The conference's centerpiece was its banquet. The conference happened to take place near my home that year, so my uncle let my mother and me attend the banquet as the president's guests.

    I remember the singular scene of the convivial members with their evening-gowned wives mingling during hors d'oeuvres, cherishing their cocktail glasses while the tuxedoed pianist softly played. Many of the wives (including my uncle's) were of an age commensurate with their eminent husbands, but an astonishing number were leggy gold diggers in their twenties. The scene was grotesque, the legitimate wives being expected to converse with the trophy wives as though nothing were amiss.

    All I could think was: during the wives' luxury shopping tour, the atmosphere on the air-conditioned tour bus must have been tense.

    I do not know what the solution should be, but one assumes that many of those men's grown sons from first marriages soon went on to take over the family businesses, or maybe that the wicked stepmothers, younger than the sons, schemed to prevent the takeover. The scene was sad. I thought, there must be a better way.

    This is why I ask.

    Replies: @BB753, @epebble

  342. @scrivener3
    @John Johnson


    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders.
     
    Wrong. libertarianism predates Rand and there is little agreement in doctrine. Rand believes in the nation state with a monopoly on the use of force but a limited government. Libertarianism really has not worked out the role of force in society other than prohibiting initiating force against others. Second, not wanting the government to prohibit certain behaviors with force is an aspect of supporting individual freedom. I don't want the government to prohibit Catholicism, that in no way means that I am in favor of Catholicism. I don't want the government to prohibit people from buying narcotics just as they can buy whiskey. That does not mean I am in favor of people using whiskey or narcotics.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders.

    Wrong. libertarianism predates Rand and there is little agreement in doctrine.

    No it does not.

    Cite a minimal government philosopher before Rand that advocated open borders to the third world and legalizing all drugs. You won’t find one.

    The libertarian party platform is ratified by thousands of members each year. They support open borders, legal drugs, full auto guns for felons and 9 month abortions. These were all positions that were held by Rand.

    The founders of the libertarian party were followers of Rand. I’ve already sourced this for a libertarian that wanted to believe he wasn’t following the demented orders of Alisa Rosenbaum.

    Libertarianism is a cult for White men that can’t handle reality. Just look at a picture of any convention. It’s all White male “individualists” that want to pretend that race doesn’t exist while non-White races view acting collectively as completely natural.

    Race is real and Rand was wrong. It really is that simple. But in fairness to Rand I doubt she believed half the bullshit she expected White men to swallow.

  343. @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    There are a lot of voters, including myself, who consider Trump to have major flaws but will still vote for him because Harris is even worse.

    I've said many times that I am not voting for Harris as I do not support Affirmative Action.

    But some posters here clearly have a hard time with criticism of a former Democrat that they have turned into demigod. I did not want Biden in the last election and Trump Tribe lectured me on how I was buying into MSM propaganda when I warned that he was losing independents. In the last election they had the attitude that all data can be ignored because Trump broke the polls in 2016. Well he wasn't able to do that in 2020 and the swing state data before the election was quite accurate. This year Trump has better numbers but it's still a tight race where either side could win.

    I am a libertarian but the Libertarian party does not quite represent my views. A 2013 Pew study found about seven percent of voters are libertarian. It also found the average libertarian has a more negative view of immigrants than the average voter.

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand and she was for open borders. Americans that want minimal government should form their own party instead of sticking with a Rand based party that is for endless immigration and legal fentanyl. Such a party could also dump their 9 month abortion position. The libertarian party rejects basic Christian morals and embraces drug use. At first it sounds appealing until you learn of their more noxious beliefs.

    Replies: @Catiline, @scrivener3, @James B. Shearer, @Art Deco

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand
    ==
    Rand had absolutely no time for soi-disant ‘Libertarians’. She and her acolytes had only an idle interest in workaday politics and tended to be partial to business Republicans to the extent they cared. She endorsed Gerald Ford.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Art Deco

    "She endorsed Gerald Ford."

    Ayn Rand never voted for the Libertarian party when she was alive. It was always Republicans like Goldwater, Nixon and Ford. She was not a Reagan supporter but it was because of the increasing influence of the religious right in the Republican party and not anything related to immigration.

    Out of control immigration was just not a major problem in Rand's lifetime. People then thought a future dystopia would be like Atlas Shrugged but instead a novel by Jean Raspail, Camp of the Saints, may be closer to our future. Rand was certainly correct that Marxism was an evil and unworkable economic system and she helped to discredit it.

    It is hard to say what she would say about immigration now. I can't imagine her supporting bringing large numbers of Haitians or Somalis in and signing them up for welfare benefits.

    , @John Johnson
    @Art Deco


    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand
     
    Rand had absolutely no time for soi-disant ‘Libertarians’. She and her acolytes had only an idle interest in workaday politics and tended to be partial to business Republicans to the extent they cared. She endorsed Gerald Ford.

    I've gone over this many times. She quarreled with Libertarians but they none the less modeled the party after her teachings. The main founder spoke of this influence and uses "objectivist" language which is Randian. Here he is explaining that history:
    https://reason.com/1978/05/01/the-road-to-liberty/

    Find a Western philosopher before Rand that advocated legalizing all drugs and opening the borders. You won't find one.

    Rand was not a logically consistent person. She maintained contradictory beliefs on Israel and genetics. Donahue trolled her on television and she "forgot" that Arabs in Israel should also be considered valuable individuals according to her ideology.

    , @Alden
    @Art Deco

    It’s 2024, not 1954 when Rand was popular. Popular because of her best seller books. And movies made from those books.

  344. @epebble
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Thank you for a thoughtful and informative response. I had suspected some of the issues you have mentioned as the cause behind apparent disinterest shown by the anti-abortion movement towards promoting increased contraception as the least confrontational method for reducing the number of abortions (at little political cost, if one may add).

    There are many illogical aspects to this behavior by the anti-abortion movement. First, it is well established that a large number of abortions are sought by married women and women who have already had children. This is generally due to failure in contraception or forgetfulness/carelessness, inability to get refills etc. Thus, portraying these instances as "immoral" is absurd. One would think that a well-planned "immoral" liaison this day and age would be well protected by the array of contraceptives available. Secondly, if the anti-abortion movement is really interested in promoting only marital sex, maybe they should actively seek public policy that encourages people to marry and remain married. They may be better off advocating for this directly rather than surreptitiously. Promotion of marriage has no opponents unlike imposing strict anti-abortion measures either legislatively or judicially. For example, they may advocate for increased marriage 'bonus' in taxation. Single people pay X% on a particular income bracket while married people get a 25% discount each; married people get to deduct house rent, even auto loan etc., from tax. That would definitely make marriage 'worthwhile' for many people who may not be that keen now, asking what the use is. Thirdly, as you mentioned, the long-term societal cost of dysgenic births of unwanted pregnancies. It is not hard to imagine that a woman who did not want to continue her pregnancy were to be forced to do so, will not be a good person for the fetus - I am talking about, say, not smoking, drinking, drug use, going for medical visits, generally having a stable and healthy household after the child is born. Naturally, this may lead to the child failing in society and becoming an anti-social burden than a productive citizen.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Promotion of marriage has no opponents….

    This had not occurred to me. It is an interesting point.

    In your view, should no-fault divorce be banned?

    [MORE]

    The topic calls to mind a story. About thirty years ago, I had an uncle who was elected president of a major U.S. national trade association, the voting members of which were wealthy business owners, mostly white men aged 45 to 65. The association held a posh four-day national conference annually with white linen, manicured landscaping, golf, a luxury shopping tour for the wives, and so on; not to mention committee meetings, a general business meeting, and the election of the next year’s president. The conference’s centerpiece was its banquet. The conference happened to take place near my home that year, so my uncle let my mother and me attend the banquet as the president’s guests.

    I remember the singular scene of the convivial members with their evening-gowned wives mingling during hors d’oeuvres, cherishing their cocktail glasses while the tuxedoed pianist softly played. Many of the wives (including my uncle’s) were of an age commensurate with their eminent husbands, but an astonishing number were leggy gold diggers in their twenties. The scene was grotesque, the legitimate wives being expected to converse with the trophy wives as though nothing were amiss.

    All I could think was: during the wives’ luxury shopping tour, the atmosphere on the air-conditioned tour bus must have been tense.

    I do not know what the solution should be, but one assumes that many of those men’s grown sons from first marriages soon went on to take over the family businesses, or maybe that the wicked stepmothers, younger than the sons, schemed to prevent the takeover. The scene was sad. I thought, there must be a better way.

    This is why I ask.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @V. K. Ovelund

    That's a non-issue. Women file for divorce at far greater rates than men. And they have economic incentives to do so. Marriage today is a racket that only benefits women and divorce is one side of it.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @epebble
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Banning is too strong (as government intervention in private life) but putting some resistance so that divorces don't happen easily may be good. For example, long separation period before finalizing (so that the couple find out what divorced life will be like), good marriage counseling that is pro-marriage rather than a procedural workshop, might help. But I am on the side of making marriages really 'attractive' so that people think 'wow, my life will be so much better' rather than put shackles on it. Show them Economy seating and Business class seating and ask them to choose.

    As for the gold diggers go, they have been there from time immemorial. But, if we are to start from the baseline that marital relationships are better than non-marital relationships, gold digger marriages (and Cougar marriages too, why not?) are better than non-marital arrangements.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Corvinus

  345. @V. K. Ovelund
    @epebble


    Promotion of marriage has no opponents....
     
    This had not occurred to me. It is an interesting point.

    In your view, should no-fault divorce be banned?

    The topic calls to mind a story. About thirty years ago, I had an uncle who was elected president of a major U.S. national trade association, the voting members of which were wealthy business owners, mostly white men aged 45 to 65. The association held a posh four-day national conference annually with white linen, manicured landscaping, golf, a luxury shopping tour for the wives, and so on; not to mention committee meetings, a general business meeting, and the election of the next year's president. The conference's centerpiece was its banquet. The conference happened to take place near my home that year, so my uncle let my mother and me attend the banquet as the president's guests.

    I remember the singular scene of the convivial members with their evening-gowned wives mingling during hors d'oeuvres, cherishing their cocktail glasses while the tuxedoed pianist softly played. Many of the wives (including my uncle's) were of an age commensurate with their eminent husbands, but an astonishing number were leggy gold diggers in their twenties. The scene was grotesque, the legitimate wives being expected to converse with the trophy wives as though nothing were amiss.

    All I could think was: during the wives' luxury shopping tour, the atmosphere on the air-conditioned tour bus must have been tense.

    I do not know what the solution should be, but one assumes that many of those men's grown sons from first marriages soon went on to take over the family businesses, or maybe that the wicked stepmothers, younger than the sons, schemed to prevent the takeover. The scene was sad. I thought, there must be a better way.

    This is why I ask.

    Replies: @BB753, @epebble

    That’s a non-issue. Women file for divorce at far greater rates than men. And they have economic incentives to do so. Marriage today is a racket that only benefits women and divorce is one side of it.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @BB753

    I was just told a story today about a guy who works in our main office who married a woman, adopted her children from a previous marriage, only to have her divorce him, return to the biological father of her children, while he is now legally obligated to pay child support on his adopted children.

    Insane.

  346. Trump and the GOP wins. The blob admits we’ve been in a recession since 2019 and turns it into a depression to blame Republicans. Can’t have an economic downturn with a Democrat in the White House.

  347. @Jonathan Mason
    @Prester John

    There has always been election fraud since Barabbas vs Jesus for Judah's Man of the Year.

    Replies: @bomag

    Inclined to toss out an LOL here.

    Need to keep in mind the quantitative aspect. You can have Danish levels of fraud; you can have Banana Republic levels of fraud.

  348. @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand
    ==
    Rand had absolutely no time for soi-disant 'Libertarians'. She and her acolytes had only an idle interest in workaday politics and tended to be partial to business Republicans to the extent they cared. She endorsed Gerald Ford.

    Replies: @Mark G., @John Johnson, @Alden

    “She endorsed Gerald Ford.”

    Ayn Rand never voted for the Libertarian party when she was alive. It was always Republicans like Goldwater, Nixon and Ford. She was not a Reagan supporter but it was because of the increasing influence of the religious right in the Republican party and not anything related to immigration.

    Out of control immigration was just not a major problem in Rand’s lifetime. People then thought a future dystopia would be like Atlas Shrugged but instead a novel by Jean Raspail, Camp of the Saints, may be closer to our future. Rand was certainly correct that Marxism was an evil and unworkable economic system and she helped to discredit it.

    It is hard to say what she would say about immigration now. I can’t imagine her supporting bringing large numbers of Haitians or Somalis in and signing them up for welfare benefits.

  349. @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand
    ==
    Rand had absolutely no time for soi-disant 'Libertarians'. She and her acolytes had only an idle interest in workaday politics and tended to be partial to business Republicans to the extent they cared. She endorsed Gerald Ford.

    Replies: @Mark G., @John Johnson, @Alden

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand

    Rand had absolutely no time for soi-disant ‘Libertarians’. She and her acolytes had only an idle interest in workaday politics and tended to be partial to business Republicans to the extent they cared. She endorsed Gerald Ford.

    I’ve gone over this many times. She quarreled with Libertarians but they none the less modeled the party after her teachings. The main founder spoke of this influence and uses “objectivist” language which is Randian. Here he is explaining that history:
    https://reason.com/1978/05/01/the-road-to-liberty/

    Find a Western philosopher before Rand that advocated legalizing all drugs and opening the borders. You won’t find one.

    Rand was not a logically consistent person. She maintained contradictory beliefs on Israel and genetics. Donahue trolled her on television and she “forgot” that Arabs in Israel should also be considered valuable individuals according to her ideology.

  350. @V. K. Ovelund
    @epebble


    Promotion of marriage has no opponents....
     
    This had not occurred to me. It is an interesting point.

    In your view, should no-fault divorce be banned?

    The topic calls to mind a story. About thirty years ago, I had an uncle who was elected president of a major U.S. national trade association, the voting members of which were wealthy business owners, mostly white men aged 45 to 65. The association held a posh four-day national conference annually with white linen, manicured landscaping, golf, a luxury shopping tour for the wives, and so on; not to mention committee meetings, a general business meeting, and the election of the next year's president. The conference's centerpiece was its banquet. The conference happened to take place near my home that year, so my uncle let my mother and me attend the banquet as the president's guests.

    I remember the singular scene of the convivial members with their evening-gowned wives mingling during hors d'oeuvres, cherishing their cocktail glasses while the tuxedoed pianist softly played. Many of the wives (including my uncle's) were of an age commensurate with their eminent husbands, but an astonishing number were leggy gold diggers in their twenties. The scene was grotesque, the legitimate wives being expected to converse with the trophy wives as though nothing were amiss.

    All I could think was: during the wives' luxury shopping tour, the atmosphere on the air-conditioned tour bus must have been tense.

    I do not know what the solution should be, but one assumes that many of those men's grown sons from first marriages soon went on to take over the family businesses, or maybe that the wicked stepmothers, younger than the sons, schemed to prevent the takeover. The scene was sad. I thought, there must be a better way.

    This is why I ask.

    Replies: @BB753, @epebble

    Banning is too strong (as government intervention in private life) but putting some resistance so that divorces don’t happen easily may be good. For example, long separation period before finalizing (so that the couple find out what divorced life will be like), good marriage counseling that is pro-marriage rather than a procedural workshop, might help. But I am on the side of making marriages really ‘attractive‘ so that people think ‘wow, my life will be so much better‘ rather than put shackles on it. Show them Economy seating and Business class seating and ask them to choose.

    As for the gold diggers go, they have been there from time immemorial. But, if we are to start from the baseline that marital relationships are better than non-marital relationships, gold digger marriages (and Cougar marriages too, why not?) are better than non-marital arrangements.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @epebble


    '...I am on the side of making marriages really ‘attractive‘ so that people think ‘wow, my life will be so much better‘ rather than put shackles on it. Show them Economy seating and Business class seating and ask them to choose...'

     

    Nazi Germany made determined efforts along these lines. The results weren't spectacular, but they were real. Of course, Germany started much further from the bottom than the depths we are plumbing. It's possible we could achieve more impressive results.

    Think of washing a car. If it's already pretty clean, it will only look a little better. If it's really filthy, the difference will be impressive.

    People are social animals. For them, reality is as much what they're told as what they see (this I have observed). Tell them they should be happily married and find their children fulfilling, and certain percentage will. Play them 'The Ballad of Lucy Jordan' instead, and your results will be accordingly disappointing.

    You put together the financial incentives and the social conditioning, and you get somewhere. It's just like deciding to go into some technological field as you're told and then discovering that the results really are pretty good.
    , @Corvinus
    @epebble

    “But, if we are to start from the baseline that marital relationships are better than non-marital relationships, gold digger marriages (and Cougar marriages too, why not?) are better than non-marital arrangements”

    What metrics are involved? Seems to me that “better” is in the eye of the beholder.

    Replies: @epebble

  351. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    ‘Who Booked This F-cking Jerk?’: Trump Allies Pressed Campaign to Denounce Rally Comedian
    https://news.yahoo.com/news/booked-f-king-jerk-trump-154129514.html

    Quick Curle, go call them all stupidheads for believing it was a bad idea.

    Couldn't be that your orange mobster actually made a mistake. Other than slight indiscretions like banging a porn star while married and stacking classified documents in a bathroom he could actually be a real person that makes mistakes.

    "I should have declassified that document" - Trump on tape

    How about you seek comfort from all of those insulted undecided voter Hispanics your multiple argumentative questions on this thread assume exist in the real world?

    I'm not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It's a mathematical inevitability.

    Quite ironic that Trump fans are still just as sensitive to any criticism after the failed campaign against a 3 time loser.

    "We can put on stupid red hats and ignore polling data"

    - Unofficial strategy of Trump 2020 campaign

    Replies: @Curle, @Colin Wright

    ‘I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability…’

    You’re aware a large number of Hispanics have a low opinion of Puerto Ricans themselves? ‘Trashy’ is the word I’ve heard — funnily enough.

    …Parenthetically, I find it interesting that everyone tends to assume what will or won’t affect Hispanic voters and how they will be affected without ever consulting the Hispanics themselves. Like, no, promoting more immigration did not win their votes. No, they were not excited about ‘Black Lives Matter.’

    Etc. Who’da thought? But apparently, no one ever bothered to ask.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright


    ‘I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability…’

     

    You’re aware a large number of Hispanics have a low opinion of Puerto Ricans themselves? ‘Trashy’ is the word I’ve heard — funnily enough.

    Parenthetically, I find it interesting that everyone tends to assume what will or won’t affect Hispanic voters and how they will be affected without ever consulting the Hispanics themselves.

    What you're missing is that nothing is gained from such comments. It's not like Trump will pick up Hispanics from that type of joke while it is inevitable that some Puerto Ricans will be offended. It can only be a loss.

    It's a mistake and the Trump campaign agrees as seen by their public statement.

    I can enjoy a politically incorrect joke but this was just stupid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-boxYsDb4k8

    Replies: @Curle, @Colin Wright

  352. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @AnotherDad

    "As I’ve said the way to think about this is “modernity is an environmental shock”, and we are now selecting for people who reproduce under modern conditions."

    To, as the kids say, "unpack" this a little...

    It's necessary to make a distinction between "modernity" which is an immovable existential condition surrounding and permeating all humanity, and "contemporaneity" which is simply the particular set of societal and political conditions which we happen to occupy at present, and which can be changed if we can muster the collective will to do so.

    As I say, Modernity cannot really be changed except through Forces of History, but the particulars and evanescent structures of the contemporary scene can be changed. And the harsh, plain reality of the contemporary scene is, America is ruled solely, and ruled with an iron fist, by Organized Jewry. Jews (consciously, and as Jews not Americans or "fellow whites") control every single choke point, institution and path to power in this country; and Jewry cares only about its own interests, its own will to power, and its own goals -- and, again sadly but truthfully, the main and constant goal of Organized Jewry, as revealed plainly by its actions, is the destruction of America and the annihilation and erasure of the white race through mass immigration, fertility restriction, and systematic soft genocide.

    The resurgence of White Fertility, a necessary foundation of White survival and the premise of AD's original comment, cannot occur or be made to occur under the conditions of the existing Jewish regime. The plain fact seems to be -- at least as observed in the past few generations -- that whites do not breed well in captivity. And in America, whites are wholly captive to Diversity. There are specific society and hypo-society reasons why Diversity and healthy white fertility are not compatible, but in brief: 1) non-whites in proximity to whites are always parasitic on whites; 2) non-whites in proximity to whites are always envious and hostile to whites, and thwart white interests whenever it is in their power to do so, which at present is always; and 3) non-white males nearly universally prefer white females whenever they can get them, which sets up numerically impossible conditions of competition for white males.

    Only white male/white female combination produces actual white offspring, so any other combination reduces overall white population. Non-stop negro and Jewish obsession with white females was bad enough, but throw in Arabs, Muslims, subcons, Latinos, and a tidal wave of new unwanted Africans and the thing is completely insupportible. Add to this that traditional white courtship and mating patterns are more subtle and nuanced than Third World customs, especially gut-bucket negro sexuality (the memorable phrase of Black critic Stanley Crouch), that white women, when not captured by Crudeness of Color, and merely worn down, exhausted and demoralized by it: not a fertile ground for white family formation.

    In the current situation, whites cannot co-exist with non-whites. Whites can only comfortably form families, breed and raise their children in peace and quiet in white-supermajority populations and territories. We tried the (Jewish) experiment and it failed --- for whites, that is; for Jews who wish to exterminate whites, Diversity has been a rousing triumph.

    There must be a determined political push either for secession and partition along white/non-white lines; or else there must be a radical re-arrangement of the current American practical political consensus, allowing for the legal, Constitutionally-ratified existence of large, viable, extensive exclusively whites-only communities, cities, territories and populations.

    This is going to have to be an ultimatum situation: no room for negotiation, no ground ceded, and NO JEWS, EVER. It is a sad pass we have come to, but we did not create this path, Organized Jewry and its traitorous hostile allies did. This is life or death. Sad to say it, but here we stand, at the very edge of the precipice.

    What comes next is going to take a lot of discussion, a lot of planning, a lot of action and a lot of will. But it must be done; the Jews have left us no other option.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Alden

    ‘…America is ruled solely, and ruled with an iron fist, by Organized Jewry. Jews (consciously, and as Jews not Americans or “fellow whites”) control every single choke point, institution and path to power in this country; and Jewry cares only about its own interests, its own will to power, and its own goals — and, again sadly but truthfully, the main and constant goal of Organized Jewry, as revealed plainly by its actions, is the destruction of America and…’

    If only. It all would be relatively easy to fight if this were so.

    But the sad fact is that most of the Jews you object to see themselves as good people, doing good things.

    Take a former friend of mine. He went into computers, and is now some sort of upper mid-level factotum at Google. I would guess he’s involved in much of what you and I object to — is in fact a minion of Sauron.

    But does he think of himself like that? I doubt it. To take one example, back when Ford came up with the Taurus (‘a quality car — made in America!’) he promptly bought one. The guy sees himself as a good person — and he sees himself doing the right thing, not as a Jew, but as an American. I’m confident of that.

    Ditto for a former neighbor of mine — a mother of three when I was growing up. Well, on the one hand, when I encountered her when I went back to the old country to sell my mother’s house, she expressed a wish that a homosexual couple would buy it — a Jewess in tooth and claw, determined to wreck America.

    …but I also remember that when some effort was made to save the GM plant in Fremont, Ca by having it build Toyota Corolla clones branded as Chevy Novas, she bought one.

    These aren’t bad people. And they are at least a majority of the people we’re fighting. Not the more or less conscious Haim Sabans and Alan Dershowitzs; but all those legions of decent people.

    …decent people with some unfortunate assumptions buried deep within their psyches.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Colin Wright

    You know, Stalin had these two cousins, Larry and Jake, who were really great guys. Larry was really funny, and he could do this hilarious party trick with a cigarette lighter that was so cool!

    So Stalin couldn't have murdered all those millions of people like they say he did. He was related to Larry and Jake!

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  353. @epebble
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Banning is too strong (as government intervention in private life) but putting some resistance so that divorces don't happen easily may be good. For example, long separation period before finalizing (so that the couple find out what divorced life will be like), good marriage counseling that is pro-marriage rather than a procedural workshop, might help. But I am on the side of making marriages really 'attractive' so that people think 'wow, my life will be so much better' rather than put shackles on it. Show them Economy seating and Business class seating and ask them to choose.

    As for the gold diggers go, they have been there from time immemorial. But, if we are to start from the baseline that marital relationships are better than non-marital relationships, gold digger marriages (and Cougar marriages too, why not?) are better than non-marital arrangements.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Corvinus

    ‘…I am on the side of making marriages really ‘attractive‘ so that people think ‘wow, my life will be so much better‘ rather than put shackles on it. Show them Economy seating and Business class seating and ask them to choose…’

    Nazi Germany made determined efforts along these lines. The results weren’t spectacular, but they were real. Of course, Germany started much further from the bottom than the depths we are plumbing. It’s possible we could achieve more impressive results.

    Think of washing a car. If it’s already pretty clean, it will only look a little better. If it’s really filthy, the difference will be impressive.

    People are social animals. For them, reality is as much what they’re told as what they see (this I have observed). Tell them they should be happily married and find their children fulfilling, and certain percentage will. Play them ‘The Ballad of Lucy Jordan’ instead, and your results will be accordingly disappointing.

    You put together the financial incentives and the social conditioning, and you get somewhere. It’s just like deciding to go into some technological field as you’re told and then discovering that the results really are pretty good.

  354. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @AnotherDad

    "As I’ve said the way to think about this is “modernity is an environmental shock”, and we are now selecting for people who reproduce under modern conditions."

    To, as the kids say, "unpack" this a little...

    It's necessary to make a distinction between "modernity" which is an immovable existential condition surrounding and permeating all humanity, and "contemporaneity" which is simply the particular set of societal and political conditions which we happen to occupy at present, and which can be changed if we can muster the collective will to do so.

    As I say, Modernity cannot really be changed except through Forces of History, but the particulars and evanescent structures of the contemporary scene can be changed. And the harsh, plain reality of the contemporary scene is, America is ruled solely, and ruled with an iron fist, by Organized Jewry. Jews (consciously, and as Jews not Americans or "fellow whites") control every single choke point, institution and path to power in this country; and Jewry cares only about its own interests, its own will to power, and its own goals -- and, again sadly but truthfully, the main and constant goal of Organized Jewry, as revealed plainly by its actions, is the destruction of America and the annihilation and erasure of the white race through mass immigration, fertility restriction, and systematic soft genocide.

    The resurgence of White Fertility, a necessary foundation of White survival and the premise of AD's original comment, cannot occur or be made to occur under the conditions of the existing Jewish regime. The plain fact seems to be -- at least as observed in the past few generations -- that whites do not breed well in captivity. And in America, whites are wholly captive to Diversity. There are specific society and hypo-society reasons why Diversity and healthy white fertility are not compatible, but in brief: 1) non-whites in proximity to whites are always parasitic on whites; 2) non-whites in proximity to whites are always envious and hostile to whites, and thwart white interests whenever it is in their power to do so, which at present is always; and 3) non-white males nearly universally prefer white females whenever they can get them, which sets up numerically impossible conditions of competition for white males.

    Only white male/white female combination produces actual white offspring, so any other combination reduces overall white population. Non-stop negro and Jewish obsession with white females was bad enough, but throw in Arabs, Muslims, subcons, Latinos, and a tidal wave of new unwanted Africans and the thing is completely insupportible. Add to this that traditional white courtship and mating patterns are more subtle and nuanced than Third World customs, especially gut-bucket negro sexuality (the memorable phrase of Black critic Stanley Crouch), that white women, when not captured by Crudeness of Color, and merely worn down, exhausted and demoralized by it: not a fertile ground for white family formation.

    In the current situation, whites cannot co-exist with non-whites. Whites can only comfortably form families, breed and raise their children in peace and quiet in white-supermajority populations and territories. We tried the (Jewish) experiment and it failed --- for whites, that is; for Jews who wish to exterminate whites, Diversity has been a rousing triumph.

    There must be a determined political push either for secession and partition along white/non-white lines; or else there must be a radical re-arrangement of the current American practical political consensus, allowing for the legal, Constitutionally-ratified existence of large, viable, extensive exclusively whites-only communities, cities, territories and populations.

    This is going to have to be an ultimatum situation: no room for negotiation, no ground ceded, and NO JEWS, EVER. It is a sad pass we have come to, but we did not create this path, Organized Jewry and its traitorous hostile allies did. This is life or death. Sad to say it, but here we stand, at the very edge of the precipice.

    What comes next is going to take a lot of discussion, a lot of planning, a lot of action and a lot of will. But it must be done; the Jews have left us no other option.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Alden

    You forgot sufficient income and housing as a prerequisite to marriage and children.

    Reading your comment I don’t believe you’re married and have children.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Alden

    "You forgot sufficient income and housing as a prerequisite to marriage and children."

    No I didn't. Diversity and its discontents by very definition depress and ruin income, raise housing costs and deplete housing quality and stock and ruin previously livable neighborhoods. Diversity is by definition a plague on white family formation, which is precisely why the Jews have inflicted it on us. This is kindergarten building blocks, I didn't think it needed to be spelled out for you.

    "I don’t believe you’re married and have children."

    Let's at least entertain your zany premise for a moment. So, if I don't have kids, that is what makes my analysis not true?

    Sheesh you're an easy sell. The Kammy booth is right over there.

  355. @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    Well the libertarian party is based in the teachings of Rand
    ==
    Rand had absolutely no time for soi-disant 'Libertarians'. She and her acolytes had only an idle interest in workaday politics and tended to be partial to business Republicans to the extent they cared. She endorsed Gerald Ford.

    Replies: @Mark G., @John Johnson, @Alden

    It’s 2024, not 1954 when Rand was popular. Popular because of her best seller books. And movies made from those books.

  356. @Steve Sailer
    @Precious

    Good to see the Administration doing some things to straighten up Puerto Rico's governmental crookedness.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Corvinus

    “Good to see the Administration doing some things to straighten up Puerto Rico’s governmental crookedness.”

    Right, the Biden Administration. Not so much under Trump. Why not NOTICE it?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-probe-confirms-trump-officials-blocked-puerto-rico-receiving-hurri-rcna749

    The Trump administration’s OMB also insisted on overhauls to Puerto Rico’s property management records, suspension of its minimum wage on federal contracts and other prerequisites to access relief funds, according to the report. Some HUD officials worried such requirements were potentially beyond HUD’s authority to impose on grantees.

    The Office of Inspector General began the review in March 2019 after Congress asked it to look into hurricane aid delays as the island sought to recover from a storm that resulted in the deaths of 2,975 people and triggered the world’s second-longest blackout.

    Seven months after the probe was launched, two top HUD officials admitted to knowingly missing the congressionally mandated deadline to issue a notice that would have unlocked billions in federal recovery funds to Puerto Rico. Carson later defended his agency’s actions by echoing Trump talking points — citing concerns about corruption, fiscal irregularities and “Puerto Rico’s capacity to manage these funds.”

    Trump claimed that $92 billion was sent to Puerto Rico to support recovery from Hurricane Maria. The reality? Only $42 billion was allocated by Congress. Of those funds, only $14 billion has been received by Puerto Rico. And an official under Trump in 2019 was indicted for corruption there.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-pr/pr/fema-deputy-regional-administrator-former-president-cobra-acquisitions-llc-and-another

  357. @Precious
    @Corvinus


    Precious made up a story without any references or citations.
     
    ^Projection

    Nothing remotely came up in the Google machine.
     
    That's because Google is focused on the election and the controversy over the comments. Good luck finding it that way.

    https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-corruption-sues-government-officials-35fdf3975ea364caf67dd0ad1480b2fb

    Puerto Rico’s Justice Department had long been accused of not cracking down sufficiently on widespread government corruption on the island, with federal authorities taking the reins in recent years.

    “For the first time on the island, the Puerto Rican Justice Department sued more than 30 convicts for corruption with the purpose of recovering public funds and demanding reparation for the damages they caused to the Puerto Rican people,” Emanuelli said.

    The department also sued two companies, J.R. Asphalt Inc. and Waste Collection Corp. Federal authorities have previously accused them of being linked to government corruption cases.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/12/1098585366/in-puerto-rico-the-arrests-of-elected-officials-worsen-trust-in-government

    ADRIAN FLORIDO, HOST:

    The FBI and the Justice Department have been on a tear arresting elected officials in Puerto Rico. In the last six months, they've charged 6 of the island's 78 mayors for public corruption, and more are believed to be under investigation. It's a ballooning scandal that our next guest says is endangering the public trust in a government that's been steadily losing the confidence of many of its citizens. Benjamin Torres Gotay is a reporter and columnist for Puerto Rico's largest newspaper, El Nuevo Dia. He joins me now. Benjamin, (speaking Spanish).

    BENJAMIN TORRES GOTAY: (Speaking Spanish).

    FLORIDO: Six mayors arrested by the FBI in just six months. What are they accused of.

    GOTAY: (Through interpreter) They're accused of basically the same thing, which is asking for money in exchange for government contracts. And all of these cases involve the same two trash and asphalt companies.

    FLORIDO: And I understand that the Department of Justice has released some pretty damning evidence - photo, video evidence of some of this alleged bribery going on.

    Trump’s campaign knew exactly what it was doing when it had this comedian come up on stage. So of course they ramp up the “plausible deniability” narrative that is right up your alley. It’s not a joke to Puerto Ricans, nor is it a “roast” of them.
     

    Keep crying about it Corvinus. A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke.

    “This is not a joke. It’s completely classless and in poor taste. Puerto Rico is the crown jewel of the Caribbean and home to many of the most patriotic Americans I know,” said Gimenez. Salazar said she was “disgusted” by the remarks.
     
    ^Two Republicans who panic easily and it sounds like they didn't get the joke.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    It was only until I requested the citation that you provided one. You should have done that from the jump. Thank you for the link. Although, I thought we can’t trust the media, especially NPR. What gives?

    Anyways, I’m glad you agreed that is great that the Biden Administration is cracking down. Not so much under Trump. He claims to “have done so much for Puerto Ricans”. Not really.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-probe-confirms-trump-officials-blocked-puerto-rico-receiving-hurri-rcna749

    The Trump administration’s OMB also insisted on overhauls to Puerto Rico’s property management records, suspension of its minimum wage on federal contracts and other prerequisites to access relief funds, according to the report. Some HUD officials worried such requirements were potentially beyond HUD’s authority to impose on grantees.

    The Office of Inspector General began the review in March 2019 after Congress asked it to look into hurricane aid delays as the island sought to recover from a storm that resulted in the deaths of 2,975 people and triggered the world’s second-longest blackout.

    Seven months after the probe was launched, two top HUD officials admitted to knowingly missing the congressionally mandated deadline to issue a notice that would have unlocked billions in federal recovery funds to Puerto Rico. Carson later defended his agency’s actions by echoing Trump talking points — citing concerns about corruption, fiscal irregularities and “Puerto Rico’s capacity to manage these funds.”

    Trump claimed that $92 billion was sent to Puerto Rico to support recovery from Hurricane Maria. The reality? Only $42 billion was allocated by Congress. Of those funds, only $14 billion has been received by Puerto Rico. And an official under Trump in 2019 was indicted for corruption there.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-pr/pr/fema-deputy-regional-administrator-former-president-cobra-acquisitions-llc-and-another

    “A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke.”

    A roast comedian roasts a person who knows he/she will get roasted. Furthermore, it was a botched move politically given how Trump and his team supposedly are courting Hispanics.

    • Replies: @Precious
    @Corvinus

    I will try and use NPR as a source more often in the future.

    , @Curle
    @Corvinus

    Nobody cares about Puerto Ricans and jokes except people pushing moral panics. Now go crawl back into your cave. Here’s Gallup’s final poll:

    Satisfaction With the Direction of the U.S. Before the 2024 Election

    In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?
    % Satisfied
    Table with 5 columns and 4 rows.
    U.S. adults Republicans Independents Democrats
    % % % %
    U.S. direction
    Satisfied 26 5 25 47
    Dissatisfied 72 95 74 49
    No opinion 2 0 2 4
    Oct. 14-27, 2024

    A number at only 25% satisfied is thought to be a HARD guarantee of defeat for the incumbent. Harris is at 26%.

    Is this going to be the time the media succeeds herding the electorate away from their focus on important matters using the device of a moral panic? Clearly Corvinas thinks this is the case.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  358. @Corn
    @Colin Wright


    There’s ample proof
     
    This is a great article:

    https://tinyurl.com/2hjhrcp4

    One excerpt from that article:

    Well, first of all, that mantra....: "All the cases, all the courts ruled against Trump." First of all, that is not true. Most of the cases were rejected on very technical jurisdictional grounds, like a case brought by a voter, rather than the candidate himself.
     
    Liberals often boast “Trump didn’t win in court”. But it’s not that courts found no evidence of fraud, they just found excuses not to deal with the issue.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    LOL, the article is written by John Eastman, a known Trump toadie!

    Besides….

    https://americanoversight.org/judge-recommends-john-eastman-be-disbarred-for-efforts-to-overturn-2020-election/

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Corvinus

    “Trump toadie” LOL

    Harris or Biden toadies are better? LOL

  359. @Alec Leamas
    My prediction is that they drop a deepfake video(s) of Trump on The Apprentice dropping the N-bomb and saying he paid for abortions in outtakes probably by the end of the week. Possibly saying something about Hitler as well.

    The same Press which pretended that the Biden laptop containing evidence of a multigenerational influence peddling and money laundering operation "couldn't be verified (due to their not trying to verify it)" will play it on a loop all weekend.

    To me that is what the turn to "Trump is a NAZI" was setting us up for . . .

    I don't know whether this will be dispositive.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Alden

    It’s Friday 11/1 late afternoon , early evening on the east coast and nothing’s happened yet.

    I’ve come to believe that Trump really won in 2020. A post office truck carrying thousands of ballots from New York to Pennsylvania after midnight. Cases of ballots stored under tables in Atlanta Chasing out the watchers covering the windows in Atlanta.

    Every county and state has its election commission staff. Civil service heavily black affirmative action women. The commissioners come and go but the permanent staff is affirmative action. So is the Post Office especially in the big cities. Didn’t matter with in person voting but matters very much with mail in ballots.

    No one but the coders really know how the dominion machines work. I would not be surprised if there is affirmative action points for democrat candidates.

    With the horrible inflation and everyone hard up, the democrats knew 18 months ago that as always happens the voters would vote against the incumbent because of the inflation. I’m sure the democrats have their win by cheating operation in place.

    I think Harris will win by cheating. Even if there’s 16 years of Trump and Vance the rot has gone too far.

    • Agree: deep anonymous
  360. @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "How is that good for his campaign?"

    The plan was fine, there may have been some problems with the execution. We will see. Anyway Trump likes to keep his name in the news.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    “How is that good for his campaign?”

    The plan was fine, there may have been some problems with the execution. We will see. Anyway Trump likes to keep his name in the news.

    Well his campaign manager disagreed and has reputed the joke. It seems my opinion is on the side of people that are paid to run the campaign. They have acknowledged it was a mistake even though I was told by multiple posters that I shouldn’t question their expertise. How dare us peons question anyone in politics. It’s an area known for sound efficiency and completely rational planning.

    Did you think it was also a good idea to let the comedian make a joke about not pulling out?

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "Well his campaign manager disagreed ..."

    His campaign manager was opposed to holding a rally in NYC?

    Replies: @Curle

    , @epebble
    @John Johnson

    not pulling out?

    I had to read it (the original joke) a couple of times to believe what I was reading. Then I realized this lecher is telling this in MSG in front of 10,000 women of all ages (10-year-old girls to 80-year-old grandmothers). I felt embarrassed reading it.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  361. @epebble
    Professor McDonald has updated his early voting statistics. Some interesting facts are:

    Total Early Votes: 64,380,816
    • In-Person Early Votes: 34,247,713
    • Mail Ballots Returned: 30,015,268
    • Mail Ballots Requested: 66,827,885

    If all the mail ballots are returned, In-Person early votes + Mail ballots are already exceeding 101 million. Total votes in 2020 was 155 million (which was highest turnout in a century). Whatever may happen, this will likely be a huge election.

    Which also means, more time needed to count and declare the winner - even a few days. It seems very likely that Trump will declare he is a winner on early Wednesday morning and call the election as rigged if he doesn't win. Looks like now onwards, the convenience of early and mail voting has to contend with allegations of rigged election by the party that gets more election day votes and fewer mailed in ballots.

    Also, F-M is still 10.5% and that is starting to cause some freakouts.

    https://www.newsweek.com/women-dominate-early-voting-trump-supporters-nervous-1977757

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/29/gender-gap-early-voting-00186155

    Replies: @Curle

    Richard Baris said a few days ago that women voting earlier than men happens every cycle. Note that the Politico article gives no historic perspective. Then they bury the lede at the end.

    In North Carolina, women are outpacing men among registered voters in the state, although it is Republican women who have voted more than any other group so far,

    If you’re going to get worried do it when you’ve got a good reason. Here’s Richard Baris. I haven’t listened yet but if you find something worrying then by all means get worried.

  362. @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson


    'I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability...'
     
    You're aware a large number of Hispanics have a low opinion of Puerto Ricans themselves? 'Trashy' is the word I've heard -- funnily enough.

    ...Parenthetically, I find it interesting that everyone tends to assume what will or won't affect Hispanic voters and how they will be affected without ever consulting the Hispanics themselves. Like, no, promoting more immigration did not win their votes. No, they were not excited about 'Black Lives Matter.'

    Etc. Who'da thought? But apparently, no one ever bothered to ask.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    ‘I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability…’

    You’re aware a large number of Hispanics have a low opinion of Puerto Ricans themselves? ‘Trashy’ is the word I’ve heard — funnily enough.

    Parenthetically, I find it interesting that everyone tends to assume what will or won’t affect Hispanic voters and how they will be affected without ever consulting the Hispanics themselves.

    What you’re missing is that nothing is gained from such comments. It’s not like Trump will pick up Hispanics from that type of joke while it is inevitable that some Puerto Ricans will be offended. It can only be a loss.

    It’s a mistake and the Trump campaign agrees as seen by their public statement.

    I can enjoy a politically incorrect joke but this was just stupid.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson

    Little Johnny Johnson says:


    It’s a mistake and the Trump campaign agrees as seen by their public statement.
     
    Upthread he says:

    You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.
     
    As he was shown unthread, the Trump campaign simply says that the [comedian’s] comments don’t reflect Trump’s views. And yet Little Johnny Johnson persists with his, now quite deliberate, mischaracterizations claiming first that the Trump campaign regrets having him and second that they agree it was a mistake. Neither comment accurately reflects the comment being attributed to the Trump campaign. It isn’t as if Little Johnny (the fabricator) Johnson wasn’t corrected earlier. From upthread:

    The Trump campaign makes no such claim in the article you link to. They say his comments don’t reflect his views. Why would they? He’s a professional COMEDIAN. John, do you know the meaning of THAT word by chance?
     
    Gonna make it a third time Johnny “Make it up on the fly” Johnson?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Colin Wright
    @John Johnson


    'What you’re missing is that nothing is gained from such comments. It’s not like Trump will pick up Hispanics from that type of joke while it is inevitable that some Puerto Ricans will be offended. It can only be a loss...'
     
    Biden proved you wrong. Thanks to him, it may have put Trump over the top.
  363. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright


    ‘I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability…’

     

    You’re aware a large number of Hispanics have a low opinion of Puerto Ricans themselves? ‘Trashy’ is the word I’ve heard — funnily enough.

    Parenthetically, I find it interesting that everyone tends to assume what will or won’t affect Hispanic voters and how they will be affected without ever consulting the Hispanics themselves.

    What you're missing is that nothing is gained from such comments. It's not like Trump will pick up Hispanics from that type of joke while it is inevitable that some Puerto Ricans will be offended. It can only be a loss.

    It's a mistake and the Trump campaign agrees as seen by their public statement.

    I can enjoy a politically incorrect joke but this was just stupid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-boxYsDb4k8

    Replies: @Curle, @Colin Wright

    Little Johnny Johnson says:

    It’s a mistake and the Trump campaign agrees as seen by their public statement.

    Upthread he says:

    You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.

    As he was shown unthread, the Trump campaign simply says that the [comedian’s] comments don’t reflect Trump’s views. And yet Little Johnny Johnson persists with his, now quite deliberate, mischaracterizations claiming first that the Trump campaign regrets having him and second that they agree it was a mistake. Neither comment accurately reflects the comment being attributed to the Trump campaign. It isn’t as if Little Johnny (the fabricator) Johnson wasn’t corrected earlier. From upthread:

    The Trump campaign makes no such claim in the article you link to. They say his comments don’t reflect his views. Why would they? He’s a professional COMEDIAN. John, do you know the meaning of THAT word by chance?

    Gonna make it a third time Johnny “Make it up on the fly” Johnson?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    As he was shown unthread, the Trump campaign simply says that the [comedian’s] comments don’t reflect Trump’s views.

    That isn't clear enough to you that they regret having him?

    Why am I not surprised that you lack the common sense to see that this was a terrible idea. This is further evidenced by your lack of sense of when to stop talking about it.

    I'm going to guess you are never married and completely lack business skills. There is no way that you can operate with the opposite sex given your common sense deficit. You should apply for a disability if you think it is sound strategy to hold a rally in NYC and have some loser lounge act insult a voting demographic when the swing states could be decided by the thousands. I'm guessing you also thought Vance's cat comment wasn't a big deal.

    Replies: @Alden, @Curle

  364. @epebble
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Banning is too strong (as government intervention in private life) but putting some resistance so that divorces don't happen easily may be good. For example, long separation period before finalizing (so that the couple find out what divorced life will be like), good marriage counseling that is pro-marriage rather than a procedural workshop, might help. But I am on the side of making marriages really 'attractive' so that people think 'wow, my life will be so much better' rather than put shackles on it. Show them Economy seating and Business class seating and ask them to choose.

    As for the gold diggers go, they have been there from time immemorial. But, if we are to start from the baseline that marital relationships are better than non-marital relationships, gold digger marriages (and Cougar marriages too, why not?) are better than non-marital arrangements.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Corvinus

    “But, if we are to start from the baseline that marital relationships are better than non-marital relationships, gold digger marriages (and Cougar marriages too, why not?) are better than non-marital arrangements”

    What metrics are involved? Seems to me that “better” is in the eye of the beholder.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Corvinus

    The thread started off with the politics of anti-abortion movement. V.K. Ovelund suggested (and I think he is correct) that there is an unstated desire by the anti-abortion movement to not only reduce or eliminate abortions but then use the fear of unintended pregnancy as a tool against non-marital sex (and even non-reproductive marital sex). Granting such motivations may exists, I was suggesting increasing marital relationships as a tool against (disparaged) non-marital relationships. This has also been tradition in most societies.

  365. @Colin Wright
    @Anon


    'There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump’s behavior.'

     

    There's ample proof, but more important is the way the bulk of the media functions as an arm of the Democratic Party and the 'progressive' agenda in general, and the way Jews are simultaneously so powerful and so biased in favor of a series of extremely pernicious ideas.

    These are actually the most serious obstacles we face, and until it is admitted, I'm skeptical we'll get anywhere.

    Replies: @Corn, @Corvinus, @Curle

    Yes, there’s ample proof that Powell and Guillani purposely lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus


    Yes, there’s ample proof that Powell and Guillani purposely lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.
     
    Guillani appears to be an idiot. Eli Wiesel lied about the Holocaust. It doesn't follow that the Holocaust didn't happen.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  366. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “So, regarding fraud, you concede the point and change the subject.”

    Yes, there’s been reports of fraud in several presidential elections. But not widespread or rampant. And look at who’s not even addressing the fact that Powell and Giuliani—Trump attorneys—were exposed as liars regarding their claims of fraud.

    “It reflects a demoralized base for the incumbent as well as low propensity voters of the incumbent party”

    Again, this is straight up gaslighting in your part.
    Both sides are extremely motivated to get out and vote, to ensure that their candidates win.

    “which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter”

    In case after case in the aftermath of the 2020 election, judge after judge threw out bogus claims made by Trump about voter fraud. That’s the reality that you refuse to deal with.

    “Now tell us how passing along civilian police reports/complaints regarding the use of cats and dogs for food is going to scuttle his candidacy. If Trump wins you and those others like you who ramp up the most trivial events into perpetual moral panics can give yourselves credit for his win.”

    It’s not trivial when the ex-president’s team who claim to be courting “non white deplorable”, then hires with his knowledge a comedian to message about his disdain for “non white deplorables” days before the election to assure his base that it’s all white to vote for him.

    Replies: @Curle

    Corvy, out of desperation says:

    Again, this is straight up gaslighting in your part.
    Both sides are extremely motivated to get out and vote, to ensure that their candidates win.

    Some of the D coalition’s most reliable and energetic voters, particular Blacks, aren’t returning ballots in the early returns at levels comparable to earlier D victories, your patented denial contradicted by the evidence style of claim making notwithstanding. But thanks for reminding us how unconcerned you are about reality.

    Then you say:

    In case after case in the aftermath of the 2020 election, judge after judge threw out bogus claims made by Trump about voter fraud. That’s the reality that you refuse to deal with.

    An odd reply to this post where I explained precisely how voter fraud survives legal review. Since your brain doesn’t seem to be able to grasp this kind of subtle distinction I’ll repost it for those who wish to see how you exert energy denying things you don’t want to hear:

    There is no real deterrence when the authorities are in on the crime or turn a blind eye because election challenges have impossible to meet standards for proving fraud. For instance, in the 2004 general election in the King County, Washington, there were more than 1000 invalid ballots that mysteriously found there way from the secure invalid ballots cage to be counted on election night likely making the difference in a close gubernatorial race in favor of the D. King County is. 70% D county and the election workers who made this error (?) that none confessed to were patronage hires of the D Executive. The judge who heard the challenge wouldn’t or couldn’t take proportions into consideration when adjudicating the election, proportions that would have changed the outcome (reducing the 1000 ballots proportionate of the D and R vote ) and so by introducing 1000 invalid ballots into the vote stream ambiguity which greatly favored Ds likely changed the result and was allowed to stand. This is how voter fraud is effectuated; by introducing ambiguity into the ballot counting process in jurisdictions that favor one party over another.

    Like so many of your claims you have no idea whether this is true or not only that the mechanisms in place in 2020, as in my King County example, don’t allow for accurate post election determination of the matter which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter. So here you are making a false claim about an unknown. But lying, or outright stupidity, is your calling card isn’t it?

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    And right on cue, you’re spinning your wheels, refusing to address how two of Trump’s former lawyers outright lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.

    “An odd reply to this post where I explained precisely how voter fraud survives legal review”

    You’re employing a red herring. And speaking of legal review…

    https://campaignlegal.org/results-lawsuits-regarding-2020-elections

    —The various claims of evidence alleging a stolen 2020 election have been exhaustively investigated and litigated. Judges heard claims of illegal voting and found they were without merit. (Learn more about how the changes that have happened since 2020 will affect the 2024 election and beyond.)

    Rep. Liz Cheney, the former chair of the House Republican Conference, stated on February 23, 2021: "The president and many around him pushed this idea that the election had been stolen. And that is a dangerous claim. It wasn't true," she said. "There were over 60 court cases where judges, including judges appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence in many cases and said there is not widespread fraud."—

    So lying and outright stupidity are your calling cards, ain’t it.

    Replies: @Curle

  367. @John Johnson
    @James B. Shearer


    “How is that good for his campaign?”

     

    The plan was fine, there may have been some problems with the execution. We will see. Anyway Trump likes to keep his name in the news.

    Well his campaign manager disagreed and has reputed the joke. It seems my opinion is on the side of people that are paid to run the campaign. They have acknowledged it was a mistake even though I was told by multiple posters that I shouldn't question their expertise. How dare us peons question anyone in politics. It's an area known for sound efficiency and completely rational planning.

    Did you think it was also a good idea to let the comedian make a joke about not pulling out?

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @epebble

    “Well his campaign manager disagreed …”

    His campaign manager was opposed to holding a rally in NYC?

    • Replies: @Curle
    @James B. Shearer

    Little Johnny Johnson has been peddling this false tale about a Trump manager or some other campaign advisor sharing Little Johnny Johnson’s belief that booking the comedian was a mistake as a way of legitimizing his, Little Johnny Johnson’s, opinion that it was a mistake. No such statement came from the Trump campaign. If you follow Little Johnny Johnson’s behavior on this site you will soon learn that for him such mischaracterizations are a feature not a bug.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  368. @Curle
    @Corvinus

    Corvy, out of desperation says:


    Again, this is straight up gaslighting in your part.
    Both sides are extremely motivated to get out and vote, to ensure that their candidates win.
     
    Some of the D coalition’s most reliable and energetic voters, particular Blacks, aren’t returning ballots in the early returns at levels comparable to earlier D victories, your patented denial contradicted by the evidence style of claim making notwithstanding. But thanks for reminding us how unconcerned you are about reality.

    Then you say:

    In case after case in the aftermath of the 2020 election, judge after judge threw out bogus claims made by Trump about voter fraud. That’s the reality that you refuse to deal with.
     
    An odd reply to this post where I explained precisely how voter fraud survives legal review. Since your brain doesn’t seem to be able to grasp this kind of subtle distinction I’ll repost it for those who wish to see how you exert energy denying things you don’t want to hear:

    There is no real deterrence when the authorities are in on the crime or turn a blind eye because election challenges have impossible to meet standards for proving fraud. For instance, in the 2004 general election in the King County, Washington, there were more than 1000 invalid ballots that mysteriously found there way from the secure invalid ballots cage to be counted on election night likely making the difference in a close gubernatorial race in favor of the D. King County is. 70% D county and the election workers who made this error (?) that none confessed to were patronage hires of the D Executive. The judge who heard the challenge wouldn’t or couldn’t take proportions into consideration when adjudicating the election, proportions that would have changed the outcome (reducing the 1000 ballots proportionate of the D and R vote ) and so by introducing 1000 invalid ballots into the vote stream ambiguity which greatly favored Ds likely changed the result and was allowed to stand. This is how voter fraud is effectuated; by introducing ambiguity into the ballot counting process in jurisdictions that favor one party over another.
     

    Like so many of your claims you have no idea whether this is true or not only that the mechanisms in place in 2020, as in my King County example, don’t allow for accurate post election determination of the matter which is only reviewed as a legal sufficiency question which is limited by the weaknesses provided in law for both assessing and correcting the matter. So here you are making a false claim about an unknown. But lying, or outright stupidity, is your calling card isn’t it?
     

    Replies: @Corvinus

    And right on cue, you’re spinning your wheels, refusing to address how two of Trump’s former lawyers outright lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.

    “An odd reply to this post where I explained precisely how voter fraud survives legal review”

    You’re employing a red herring. And speaking of legal review…

    https://campaignlegal.org/results-lawsuits-regarding-2020-elections

    —The various claims of evidence alleging a stolen 2020 election have been exhaustively investigated and litigated. Judges heard claims of illegal voting and found they were without merit. (Learn more about how the changes that have happened since 2020 will affect the 2024 election and beyond.)

    Rep. Liz Cheney, the former chair of the House Republican Conference, stated on February 23, 2021: “The president and many around him pushed this idea that the election had been stolen. And that is a dangerous claim. It wasn’t true,” she said. “There were over 60 court cases where judges, including judges appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence in many cases and said there is not widespread fraud.”—

    So lying and outright stupidity are your calling cards, ain’t it.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus

    See my reply to Colin Wright above.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  369. @Colin Wright
    @Anon


    'There is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed. People need to get over this. 2020 was lost due to Trump’s behavior.'

     

    There's ample proof, but more important is the way the bulk of the media functions as an arm of the Democratic Party and the 'progressive' agenda in general, and the way Jews are simultaneously so powerful and so biased in favor of a series of extremely pernicious ideas.

    These are actually the most serious obstacles we face, and until it is admitted, I'm skeptical we'll get anywhere.

    Replies: @Corn, @Corvinus, @Curle

    Anon says “[t]here is zero proof it was stolen. Many court cases were filed, and all failed.” You contradict him and Corvinus tries to contradict you peddling the same line as Anon. Corn, relying to you gets it right saying

    Most of the cases were rejected on very technical jurisdictional grounds,

    Exactly. Most state election systems are built upon the premise that electoral challenges are to be discouraged not that the courts are there to ensure fraud never happens. The unfortunate side effect of this is that fraud is easy to commit and hard to catch. Tolerance for some amount of fraud is assumed and built into the cake. Politicians writing election laws don’t want it to be too easy to overturn elections or force recounts. Recounts are incredibly expensive. Electoral challenges are expensive. Government officials have other things to do.

    When Corvy imagines that surviving an election challenge proves that the election was clean he’s either a bigger fool than previously assumed or he’s being disingenuous. This is why I point to the King County, Washington 2004 general election as an example. There was no doubt what happened, that approx. 1000 ballots entered the ballot stream that shouldn’t have entered the ballot stream because the same number of ballots had been removed from the invalid ballot security cage run by the county elections office. Given the fact that the margin of victory for the winning statewide candidate was less than that candidate’s presumed extra share of the statewide vote attributable to the normal countywide distribution of the vote in the county where the invalid votes were counted (70/30 split in favor of the D winner over the R loser), the Rs argued that the statewide vote count should be reduced by the county in question’s distribution of the R/D vote for the 1000 some counted invalid ballots. Doing so would have made the R the winner. The court said no, that they wouldn’t speculate as to the exact distribution of the tranche in question and an earlier court had allowed the identifying ballot envelopes for the ballots in question to be destroyed. The crime was allowed to stand as being without a remedy.

    Curvy, you will notice, doesn’t consider cases like this to be evidence of fraud.

  370. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    And right on cue, you’re spinning your wheels, refusing to address how two of Trump’s former lawyers outright lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.

    “An odd reply to this post where I explained precisely how voter fraud survives legal review”

    You’re employing a red herring. And speaking of legal review…

    https://campaignlegal.org/results-lawsuits-regarding-2020-elections

    —The various claims of evidence alleging a stolen 2020 election have been exhaustively investigated and litigated. Judges heard claims of illegal voting and found they were without merit. (Learn more about how the changes that have happened since 2020 will affect the 2024 election and beyond.)

    Rep. Liz Cheney, the former chair of the House Republican Conference, stated on February 23, 2021: "The president and many around him pushed this idea that the election had been stolen. And that is a dangerous claim. It wasn't true," she said. "There were over 60 court cases where judges, including judges appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence in many cases and said there is not widespread fraud."—

    So lying and outright stupidity are your calling cards, ain’t it.

    Replies: @Curle

    See my reply to Colin Wright above.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    No, Corn got it decidedly wrong. The decisions made by the judges in the Trump election free cases were based on the lack of merit, standing, and/or evidence. Corn linked to an article by John Eastman (!), who also faces disbarment for his malfeasance in 2020.

    https://statesunited.org/resources/the-final-case/

    —Eastman knew his claims that the election was tainted by fraud and illegality lacked credible support. He ignored court decisions and statements by federal and state officials rejecting the claims. Instead, he tried to support his claims using unreliable, unvetted sources, when he knew, or chose to ignore, that they were not experts. During the trial, these “experts” conceded they could not demonstrate that fraud occurred in the 2020 election. In addition, Eastman’s own constitutional law expert testified that he believed Biden won the election “fair and square” and that Pence “was on unassailable ground when he said that he had ‘no right to overturn the election.’”

    You are desperately trying to make it appear that in every or most instances the judge dismissed the argument on the most stringent or precise meaning of election law. No. If an accusation of voter fraud is made, there must be a standard of proof to be met. Trump’s lawyers did not meet that criteria.

    For example, King v. Whitmer (E.D. Mich. Dec. 7, 2020) – While the district court stated that the claims of plaintiffs—Republican presidential electors—could be dismissed for lack of standing, the district court nonetheless analyzed the merits of the plaintiffs’ claims. First, the district court was unpersuaded by the plaintiffs’ claim that defendants violated the Elections and Electors Clauses by allegedly violating the Michigan Election Code because it found that deviations from state election law are not the same as modifications of state election law. Second, the district court found the plaintiffs’ Equal Protection claim to be too speculative, finding no evidence that physical ballots were altered. The plaintiffs filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court on Dec. 11, 2020, and subsequently filed a motion for expedited consideration on Dec. 18, 2020. However, the court denied the motion to expedite on January 11.

    Furthermore, the big elephant in the room that you neglect to confront is Powell and Giuliani were exposed as legal charlatans. They f— lied about massive voter fraud. They lost their law licenses.

    Replies: @Curle

  371. @Corvinus
    @epebble

    “But, if we are to start from the baseline that marital relationships are better than non-marital relationships, gold digger marriages (and Cougar marriages too, why not?) are better than non-marital arrangements”

    What metrics are involved? Seems to me that “better” is in the eye of the beholder.

    Replies: @epebble

    The thread started off with the politics of anti-abortion movement. V.K. Ovelund suggested (and I think he is correct) that there is an unstated desire by the anti-abortion movement to not only reduce or eliminate abortions but then use the fear of unintended pregnancy as a tool against non-marital sex (and even non-reproductive marital sex). Granting such motivations may exists, I was suggesting increasing marital relationships as a tool against (disparaged) non-marital relationships. This has also been tradition in most societies.

  372. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Mike Tre

    I get the point that there is a difference between a natural act and an intentional one. So yes, there is a difference between falling off a cliff and having someone push you! But no one really believes those 20 billion souls existed and went to heaven.

    I don't think an embryo is "ensouled".

    Blacks apparently have the highest abortion rate, like 4 times more. Probably because they don't think to use birth control. Hispanics are twice as likely as Whites to have an abortion. Anyone feel free to check those numbers but that's what I find. I would also note, most anti-abortion activists are pretty aggressive race-mixers. These are the evangelicals who adopt African children.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    The abortion debate illustrates perfectly the fundamental problem with a multiracial society: Different races of people quite simply require different sets of rules in order to function within it.

    The Constitution was written by and meant for a very specific and select group of Western Europeans. Negroes, mestizos, Asians and even some Eastern European groups cannot function productively within its boundaries alone. They require what I refer to as “intensive local authority.” They are not equipped to function in a high trust, advanced society. The require stricter rules and harsher punishment.

    We need Western European descended people having more children, and need everyone else having less. Abortion, applied with this in mind, is arguably a moral action.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Mike Tre

    “The abortion debate illustrates perfectly the fundamental problem with a multiracial society:”

    No, what it illustrates is that a small subset of people like yourself are illogical—abortion for whites bad, abortion for nonwhites good. But normal people do not view it in strict terms of race, but rather in broad terms of human life.

    “Different races of people quite simply require different sets of rules in order to function within it.”

    Except Christianity—you know, the bastion of Western Civilization—doesn’t view it that way. God has one sett of rules for all of his followers, and it is not based on race, but it is based on his commandments.

    “The Constitution was written by and meant for a very specific and select group of Western Europeans.”

    No, it was meant for our posterity, with each generation making that determination.

    “Negroes, mestizos, Asians and even some Eastern European groups cannot function productively within its boundaries alone.”

    You forget to include Southern Europeans. Does this group pass your muster? Regardless, normal people today would take umbrage with your arbitrary and capricious position. Here is an exercise to undertake. Go to a Slavic neighborhood or church. Wear a sign that expresses your sentiments about them. Make sure to record your experience on social media. See what happens next.

    “They require what I refer to as “intensive local authority.” They are not equipped to function in a high trust, advanced society. The require stricter rules and harsher punishment.”

    This is why I love this opinion webzine so much! People like you who truly believe bizarre notions, as if their thoughts are normal. How do you even propose to convince your fellow whites to undertake this task? Where do you begin? How do you go about putting this plan in place knowing full well there are legal and social barriers to overcome?

    “We need Western European descended people having more children”

    Unless you have eight or more white children, you are a biological failure based on your own metrics you’ve touted.

    “Abortion, applied with this in mind, is arguably a moral action”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “I was just told a story today about a guy who works in our main office who married a woman, adopted her children from a previous marriage, only to have her divorce him, return to the biological father of her children, while he is now legally obligated to pay child support on his adopted children.”

    More likely is that you made up this story.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    , @Alden
    @Mike Tre

    Hispânicas have the most abortions then blacks then Whites. We Whites are legally the lowest affirmative action class in America. Which is one reason Whites hesitate to get married

    Legal, free abortions are one way we can eliminate more black and brown affirmative action beneficiaries . Blacks and browns who will be given jobs business loans and permits that Whites are denied. We’re 60 years into affirmative action discrimination against Whites.

    64 years after the race traitor president Kennedy signed Executive Order 10925 on March 6, 1961 mandating affirmative action for negroes a mere 7 weeks after he became President An executive order written by Jew Arthur Goldberg whom Kennedy placed on the Supreme Court.

    Aborting black and brown babies is eugenic for America. And will give our White babies the prospects denied to Whites by affirmative action. 4 blue eyed light haired White children 8 blue eyed light haired I truly only care about them. And all White children

    Not black and brown affirmative action beneficiaries and future criminals.

  373. @BB753
    @V. K. Ovelund

    That's a non-issue. Women file for divorce at far greater rates than men. And they have economic incentives to do so. Marriage today is a racket that only benefits women and divorce is one side of it.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    I was just told a story today about a guy who works in our main office who married a woman, adopted her children from a previous marriage, only to have her divorce him, return to the biological father of her children, while he is now legally obligated to pay child support on his adopted children.

    Insane.

    • Thanks: BB753
  374. @John Johnson
    @Colin Wright


    ‘I’m not imagining undecided Hispanic voters. It’s a mathematical inevitability…’

     

    You’re aware a large number of Hispanics have a low opinion of Puerto Ricans themselves? ‘Trashy’ is the word I’ve heard — funnily enough.

    Parenthetically, I find it interesting that everyone tends to assume what will or won’t affect Hispanic voters and how they will be affected without ever consulting the Hispanics themselves.

    What you're missing is that nothing is gained from such comments. It's not like Trump will pick up Hispanics from that type of joke while it is inevitable that some Puerto Ricans will be offended. It can only be a loss.

    It's a mistake and the Trump campaign agrees as seen by their public statement.

    I can enjoy a politically incorrect joke but this was just stupid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-boxYsDb4k8

    Replies: @Curle, @Colin Wright

    ‘What you’re missing is that nothing is gained from such comments. It’s not like Trump will pick up Hispanics from that type of joke while it is inevitable that some Puerto Ricans will be offended. It can only be a loss…’

    Biden proved you wrong. Thanks to him, it may have put Trump over the top.

  375. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    Little Johnny Johnson says:


    It’s a mistake and the Trump campaign agrees as seen by their public statement.
     
    Upthread he says:

    You called me an idiot for stating it was a bad idea and yet the Trump campaign regrets having him.
     
    As he was shown unthread, the Trump campaign simply says that the [comedian’s] comments don’t reflect Trump’s views. And yet Little Johnny Johnson persists with his, now quite deliberate, mischaracterizations claiming first that the Trump campaign regrets having him and second that they agree it was a mistake. Neither comment accurately reflects the comment being attributed to the Trump campaign. It isn’t as if Little Johnny (the fabricator) Johnson wasn’t corrected earlier. From upthread:

    The Trump campaign makes no such claim in the article you link to. They say his comments don’t reflect his views. Why would they? He’s a professional COMEDIAN. John, do you know the meaning of THAT word by chance?
     
    Gonna make it a third time Johnny “Make it up on the fly” Johnson?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    As he was shown unthread, the Trump campaign simply says that the [comedian’s] comments don’t reflect Trump’s views.

    That isn’t clear enough to you that they regret having him?

    Why am I not surprised that you lack the common sense to see that this was a terrible idea. This is further evidenced by your lack of sense of when to stop talking about it.

    I’m going to guess you are never married and completely lack business skills. There is no way that you can operate with the opposite sex given your common sense deficit. You should apply for a disability if you think it is sound strategy to hold a rally in NYC and have some loser lounge act insult a voting demographic when the swing states could be decided by the thousands. I’m guessing you also thought Vance’s cat comment wasn’t a big deal.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @John Johnson

    Hispânicas in America don’t think of themselves as Hispanics. Any more than Whites think of themselves as Europeans. 300 years after their ancestors landed in America Whites claim to be Irish German English. But not generic Europeans or Americans.

    They get along with other Hispanic nationalities. But they really think of themselves as Mexicans Guatemalans Salvadorans Nicaraguans Puerto Ricans. And each group looks down on the other groups somewhat. And PRs have been so overwhelmed by the immigrants there percentage of Hispanics is small compared to Mexicans.

    I get it. You’re anti Trump and scouring every word and expression to find things that will swing the election to Democrats. This election most voters will vote according to how badly the Biden inflation affects them. Especially necessitys like food which we buy every week or more often Gas to get to work to shop for
    food winter heat bills. And rich people can easily cope with inflation. But they bitch about it as much as the middle class does.

    Especially food once or twice a week buying food and the prices keep going up. It’s worse for the millions of single people who don’t do much cooking. Eating out is expensive. And every day they pay more. Whether it’s McDonald Denny’s or a nice restaurant food costs keep going up. And since we eat every day it can’t be ignored.

    It’s usually inflation and or unemployment businesses failing or having problems that cause incumbents like Harris to lose elections.

    Not a joke about a small ethics group in a nation of a thousand or more distinct ethnic groups. America isn’t a melting pot. Teddy Roosevelt spoke about America becoming a transient boarding house of squabbling nationalities if we didn’t crack down on immigration and Americanize the immigrants.

    The squabbling divisions and ethnic groups are worse now than they were 120 years ago.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Curle
    @John Johnson

    About his now two/three times (?) mischaracterization of the Trump campaign’s statement about the comedian where Little Johnny Johnson emphasizes (for the purpose of rationalizing his waste of our time and space on this thread heretofore) that the Trump campaign regrets decisions they’ve never suggested regretting, Johnson now marvels at the idea that anyone would doubt that the Trump campaign secretly agrees with him in his political judgment that employing the comedian was an error of some consequence. Perhaps surmising that anything worthy of agitating Johnny Johnson in his imagined role as campaign savant must be agitating the Trump campaign so he replies by expressing surprise that his favored hysteria isn’t shared asking “isn’t it clear enough to you that they regret having him?” No Johnny, most people understand jokes and most people understand the purpose of jokes which is to entertain by embellishing on reality, and further most people understand that the only people trying to make a campaign issue of jokes much less jokes made by a person who isn’t the candidate are partisans for the opponent who desperately needs a Hail Mary in front of a possible if not probable loss.

  376. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    As he was shown unthread, the Trump campaign simply says that the [comedian’s] comments don’t reflect Trump’s views.

    That isn't clear enough to you that they regret having him?

    Why am I not surprised that you lack the common sense to see that this was a terrible idea. This is further evidenced by your lack of sense of when to stop talking about it.

    I'm going to guess you are never married and completely lack business skills. There is no way that you can operate with the opposite sex given your common sense deficit. You should apply for a disability if you think it is sound strategy to hold a rally in NYC and have some loser lounge act insult a voting demographic when the swing states could be decided by the thousands. I'm guessing you also thought Vance's cat comment wasn't a big deal.

    Replies: @Alden, @Curle

    Hispânicas in America don’t think of themselves as Hispanics. Any more than Whites think of themselves as Europeans. 300 years after their ancestors landed in America Whites claim to be Irish German English. But not generic Europeans or Americans.

    They get along with other Hispanic nationalities. But they really think of themselves as Mexicans Guatemalans Salvadorans Nicaraguans Puerto Ricans. And each group looks down on the other groups somewhat. And PRs have been so overwhelmed by the immigrants there percentage of Hispanics is small compared to Mexicans.

    I get it. You’re anti Trump and scouring every word and expression to find things that will swing the election to Democrats. This election most voters will vote according to how badly the Biden inflation affects them. Especially necessitys like food which we buy every week or more often Gas to get to work to shop for
    food winter heat bills. And rich people can easily cope with inflation. But they bitch about it as much as the middle class does.

    Especially food once or twice a week buying food and the prices keep going up. It’s worse for the millions of single people who don’t do much cooking. Eating out is expensive. And every day they pay more. Whether it’s McDonald Denny’s or a nice restaurant food costs keep going up. And since we eat every day it can’t be ignored.

    It’s usually inflation and or unemployment businesses failing or having problems that cause incumbents like Harris to lose elections.

    Not a joke about a small ethics group in a nation of a thousand or more distinct ethnic groups. America isn’t a melting pot. Teddy Roosevelt spoke about America becoming a transient boarding house of squabbling nationalities if we didn’t crack down on immigration and Americanize the immigrants.

    The squabbling divisions and ethnic groups are worse now than they were 120 years ago.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Thanks: deep anonymous
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Alden

    I haven't really been following Welfare-Rican JokeGate very closely, except for the weirdly amusing bitch-fest on this thread, but it seems to me there are two explanations, one less likely than the other...

    1. (unlikely) Some fifth-column type in Trump's campaign inserted Unfunny Latino Comic onto the bill to tell inflammatory jokes, piss off Latinos, and sabotage Trump; or,

    2. (likely) Unfunny Latino Comic is a real Latino, and a real professional comic. There is apparently a great big "garbage scandal" all over Puerto Rico right now, so he made an inside joke about the garbage to his fellow Latinos, thinking that doing a Latino-to-Latino giggle in the midst of All-White Nazi Racist TrumpFest 3000 would be sort of a signal that Latinos had really arrived: they could rib each other in public and not have it be a "shanda for the goyim!" -- they were at ease here and at home, just like the gringos.

    The gringo press, not noticing the inter-ethnic subtlety, stupidly thought that Unfunny Comic meant "all Puerto Ricans are human garbage" when he was really just doing inside humor. It subtly -- or not so subtly -- reveals leftist racism, in their assumption that Latinos can't have their own inside jokes, and it's always all about Evil White Racism!!1! 24/7/365 for all eternity.

    In other words, it could of course been played as a Trump Big Tent Latinos Welcome moment. Consider in say 1959, an Irish comic at a political event might make a joke about there being a lot of Bushmills Irish present, and not so many Jamesons Irish. The Irish in the crowd would laugh, and the WASPs and Jews would be puzzled. It's code for "we belong here".

    But that's just using chess logic, I have no idea what the real issue is, because I don't care.

  377. @John Johnson
    @James B. Shearer


    “How is that good for his campaign?”

     

    The plan was fine, there may have been some problems with the execution. We will see. Anyway Trump likes to keep his name in the news.

    Well his campaign manager disagreed and has reputed the joke. It seems my opinion is on the side of people that are paid to run the campaign. They have acknowledged it was a mistake even though I was told by multiple posters that I shouldn't question their expertise. How dare us peons question anyone in politics. It's an area known for sound efficiency and completely rational planning.

    Did you think it was also a good idea to let the comedian make a joke about not pulling out?

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @epebble

    not pulling out?

    I had to read it (the original joke) a couple of times to believe what I was reading. Then I realized this lecher is telling this in MSG in front of 10,000 women of all ages (10-year-old girls to 80-year-old grandmothers). I felt embarrassed reading it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @epebble

    I had to read it (the original joke) a couple of times to believe what I was reading. Then I realized this lecher is telling this in MSG in front of 10,000 women of all ages (10-year-old girls to 80-year-old grandmothers). I felt embarrassed reading it.

    Yes it was completely cringe to watch. There were clearly kids in the audience and he actually made a joke about pulling out of a woman.

    Trump is taking GOP rallies to new moral levels.

    First he had on the gangster rapper and porn star.

    In the last stretch of the election he rallies in a locked Democrat state and has a loser lounge act make a joke about pulling out in front of women and children. Some real genius strategizing in an election that will be decided by swing states.

    This is the candidate that has a record low with White women for a GOP candidate.

    In a strange attempt to somehow redeem himself Trump dressed up as a garbage collector:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowTnlSylRE

    How to know if your actions were a bad idea: If doing absolutely nothing would have yielded a better result.

    If Trump was actually following the data he would be appealing to White women in swing states. That would be the wiser strategy. A poor strategy would be throwing red meat to his voter base that would vote for him even if he banged a porn star on stage to gangster rap playing in the background.

    Replies: @Curle

  378. @Alden
    @John Johnson

    Hispânicas in America don’t think of themselves as Hispanics. Any more than Whites think of themselves as Europeans. 300 years after their ancestors landed in America Whites claim to be Irish German English. But not generic Europeans or Americans.

    They get along with other Hispanic nationalities. But they really think of themselves as Mexicans Guatemalans Salvadorans Nicaraguans Puerto Ricans. And each group looks down on the other groups somewhat. And PRs have been so overwhelmed by the immigrants there percentage of Hispanics is small compared to Mexicans.

    I get it. You’re anti Trump and scouring every word and expression to find things that will swing the election to Democrats. This election most voters will vote according to how badly the Biden inflation affects them. Especially necessitys like food which we buy every week or more often Gas to get to work to shop for
    food winter heat bills. And rich people can easily cope with inflation. But they bitch about it as much as the middle class does.

    Especially food once or twice a week buying food and the prices keep going up. It’s worse for the millions of single people who don’t do much cooking. Eating out is expensive. And every day they pay more. Whether it’s McDonald Denny’s or a nice restaurant food costs keep going up. And since we eat every day it can’t be ignored.

    It’s usually inflation and or unemployment businesses failing or having problems that cause incumbents like Harris to lose elections.

    Not a joke about a small ethics group in a nation of a thousand or more distinct ethnic groups. America isn’t a melting pot. Teddy Roosevelt spoke about America becoming a transient boarding house of squabbling nationalities if we didn’t crack down on immigration and Americanize the immigrants.

    The squabbling divisions and ethnic groups are worse now than they were 120 years ago.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I haven’t really been following Welfare-Rican JokeGate very closely, except for the weirdly amusing bitch-fest on this thread, but it seems to me there are two explanations, one less likely than the other…

    1. (unlikely) Some fifth-column type in Trump’s campaign inserted Unfunny Latino Comic onto the bill to tell inflammatory jokes, piss off Latinos, and sabotage Trump; or,

    2. (likely) Unfunny Latino Comic is a real Latino, and a real professional comic. There is apparently a great big “garbage scandal” all over Puerto Rico right now, so he made an inside joke about the garbage to his fellow Latinos, thinking that doing a Latino-to-Latino giggle in the midst of All-White Nazi Racist TrumpFest 3000 would be sort of a signal that Latinos had really arrived: they could rib each other in public and not have it be a “shanda for the goyim!” — they were at ease here and at home, just like the gringos.

    The gringo press, not noticing the inter-ethnic subtlety, stupidly thought that Unfunny Comic meant “all Puerto Ricans are human garbage” when he was really just doing inside humor. It subtly — or not so subtly — reveals leftist racism, in their assumption that Latinos can’t have their own inside jokes, and it’s always all about Evil White Racism!!1! 24/7/365 for all eternity.

    In other words, it could of course been played as a Trump Big Tent Latinos Welcome moment. Consider in say 1959, an Irish comic at a political event might make a joke about there being a lot of Bushmills Irish present, and not so many Jamesons Irish. The Irish in the crowd would laugh, and the WASPs and Jews would be puzzled. It’s code for “we belong here”.

    But that’s just using chess logic, I have no idea what the real issue is, because I don’t care.

  379. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    As he was shown unthread, the Trump campaign simply says that the [comedian’s] comments don’t reflect Trump’s views.

    That isn't clear enough to you that they regret having him?

    Why am I not surprised that you lack the common sense to see that this was a terrible idea. This is further evidenced by your lack of sense of when to stop talking about it.

    I'm going to guess you are never married and completely lack business skills. There is no way that you can operate with the opposite sex given your common sense deficit. You should apply for a disability if you think it is sound strategy to hold a rally in NYC and have some loser lounge act insult a voting demographic when the swing states could be decided by the thousands. I'm guessing you also thought Vance's cat comment wasn't a big deal.

    Replies: @Alden, @Curle

    About his now two/three times (?) mischaracterization of the Trump campaign’s statement about the comedian where Little Johnny Johnson emphasizes (for the purpose of rationalizing his waste of our time and space on this thread heretofore) that the Trump campaign regrets decisions they’ve never suggested regretting, Johnson now marvels at the idea that anyone would doubt that the Trump campaign secretly agrees with him in his political judgment that employing the comedian was an error of some consequence. Perhaps surmising that anything worthy of agitating Johnny Johnson in his imagined role as campaign savant must be agitating the Trump campaign so he replies by expressing surprise that his favored hysteria isn’t shared asking “isn’t it clear enough to you that they regret having him?” No Johnny, most people understand jokes and most people understand the purpose of jokes which is to entertain by embellishing on reality, and further most people understand that the only people trying to make a campaign issue of jokes much less jokes made by a person who isn’t the candidate are partisans for the opponent who desperately needs a Hail Mary in front of a possible if not probable loss.

  380. @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "Well his campaign manager disagreed ..."

    His campaign manager was opposed to holding a rally in NYC?

    Replies: @Curle

    Little Johnny Johnson has been peddling this false tale about a Trump manager or some other campaign advisor sharing Little Johnny Johnson’s belief that booking the comedian was a mistake as a way of legitimizing his, Little Johnny Johnson’s, opinion that it was a mistake. No such statement came from the Trump campaign. If you follow Little Johnny Johnson’s behavior on this site you will soon learn that for him such mischaracterizations are a feature not a bug.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    You’ve lost the argument since you are relying squarely on ad hominem. Congratulations.

  381. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/02/opinion/trump-harris-election.html
    https://archive.is/EZeWg

    If the Choice in 2024 Were So Obvious, the Election Wouldn’t Be So Close
    By Ross Douthat
    Nov. 2, 2024

    […]
    Rather the promise was that even if you disagreed with liberalism’s elites on policy, you could trust them in three crucial ways: They would avoid insanity, they would maintain stability, and they would display far greater intelligence and competence that Trump and his hangers-on.

    The promise of sanity was broken first. Under Trumpian and especially Covidian conditions, the culture of elite liberalism lurched toward fanaticism, embracing radical and fanciful ideas to a degree that I had not imagined possible.

    At the time some liberals resisted this lurch, but many others fell silent under pressures that felt almost McCarthyite in their threats to livelihoods and reputations.

    Today more liberals concede that things got a bit kooky for a while. But the tendency is still to cast the high tide of wokeness as just a silly season whose effects were hardly comparable to right-wing depredations.

    To me, though, the farther that we get from that moment, the more the remarkable the damage looks. For instance: After the liberal establishment was radicalized by the killing of George Floyd into a temporary repudiation of normal policing on “antiracist” grounds, America experienced a dramatic wave of homicides, on a scale unique among developed countries in the Covid era, in which thousands and thousands of people died unnecessarily.

    Or again, America in that season mainstreamed experimental and unproven chemical and surgical treatments on thousands of gender-dysphoric young people, with the enthusiastic support of the medical establishment and then the Biden administration, because people with a normal degree of skepticism were afraid of being called transphobes.

    Even before you get into harder-to-quantify issues of intellectual corruption, damage to schools and social life and mental health, there is a basic physical toll here — on “bodies,” to use the language that some progressives favor — that undermines the liberal claim to represent sanity against populist derangement.

    And it undermines those claims even if the craziness has passed for now, because we could see how a figure like Kamala Harris behaved during that period. Is she a true believer in every notion she endorsed in the 2020 campaign? Perhaps not. But neither is there any good reason to think that she would offer principled resistance if liberalism entered a fevered state again.

  382. @Curle
    @Corvinus

    See my reply to Colin Wright above.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    No, Corn got it decidedly wrong. The decisions made by the judges in the Trump election free cases were based on the lack of merit, standing, and/or evidence. Corn linked to an article by John Eastman (!), who also faces disbarment for his malfeasance in 2020.

    https://statesunited.org/resources/the-final-case/

    —Eastman knew his claims that the election was tainted by fraud and illegality lacked credible support. He ignored court decisions and statements by federal and state officials rejecting the claims. Instead, he tried to support his claims using unreliable, unvetted sources, when he knew, or chose to ignore, that they were not experts. During the trial, these “experts” conceded they could not demonstrate that fraud occurred in the 2020 election. In addition, Eastman’s own constitutional law expert testified that he believed Biden won the election “fair and square” and that Pence “was on unassailable ground when he said that he had ‘no right to overturn the election.’”

    You are desperately trying to make it appear that in every or most instances the judge dismissed the argument on the most stringent or precise meaning of election law. No. If an accusation of voter fraud is made, there must be a standard of proof to be met. Trump’s lawyers did not meet that criteria.

    For example, King v. Whitmer (E.D. Mich. Dec. 7, 2020) – While the district court stated that the claims of plaintiffs—Republican presidential electors—could be dismissed for lack of standing, the district court nonetheless analyzed the merits of the plaintiffs’ claims. First, the district court was unpersuaded by the plaintiffs’ claim that defendants violated the Elections and Electors Clauses by allegedly violating the Michigan Election Code because it found that deviations from state election law are not the same as modifications of state election law. Second, the district court found the plaintiffs’ Equal Protection claim to be too speculative, finding no evidence that physical ballots were altered. The plaintiffs filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court on Dec. 11, 2020, and subsequently filed a motion for expedited consideration on Dec. 18, 2020. However, the court denied the motion to expedite on January 11.

    Furthermore, the big elephant in the room that you neglect to confront is Powell and Giuliani were exposed as legal charlatans. They f— lied about massive voter fraud. They lost their law licenses.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    You are desperately trying to make it appear that in every or most instances the judge dismissed the argument on the most stringent or precise meaning of election law.
     
    You really do have reading comprehension issues, but we already know that. As I made abundantly clear, at least to someone who isn’t the fool going by the name Corvinus

    Most state election systems are built upon the premise that electoral challenges are to be discouraged not that the courts are there to ensure fraud never happens. The unfortunate side effect of this is that fraud is easy to commit and hard to catch. Tolerance for some amount of fraud is assumed and built into the cake. Politicians writing election laws don’t want it to be too easy to overturn elections or force recounts. Recounts are incredibly expensive. Electoral challenges are expensive. Government officials have other things to do.
     
    The rest of your selected presentation of an section of an article where you provide no description of the nature of the challenge you report emphasizing instead dicta (superfluous commentary) as part of your effort to contradict all election challenges. You’ve either carefully avoided the issue I posed describing the King County, Washington case or you are too dumb to understand the point made by that example which is that the burden of proof required for successful challenges is dependent not on the state proving the election was unsullied by fraud but the contrary, that even where the electoral mechanisms clearly failed or were poorly executed or the state was indifferent in their execution, the bar requiring proof is decisive in even the most extreme circumstances such as King County, Washington.

    Your cut and paste does nothing to contradict that.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  383. @Curle
    @James B. Shearer

    Little Johnny Johnson has been peddling this false tale about a Trump manager or some other campaign advisor sharing Little Johnny Johnson’s belief that booking the comedian was a mistake as a way of legitimizing his, Little Johnny Johnson’s, opinion that it was a mistake. No such statement came from the Trump campaign. If you follow Little Johnny Johnson’s behavior on this site you will soon learn that for him such mischaracterizations are a feature not a bug.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You’ve lost the argument since you are relying squarely on ad hominem. Congratulations.

  384. @Mike Tre
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    The abortion debate illustrates perfectly the fundamental problem with a multiracial society: Different races of people quite simply require different sets of rules in order to function within it.

    The Constitution was written by and meant for a very specific and select group of Western Europeans. Negroes, mestizos, Asians and even some Eastern European groups cannot function productively within its boundaries alone. They require what I refer to as "intensive local authority." They are not equipped to function in a high trust, advanced society. The require stricter rules and harsher punishment.

    We need Western European descended people having more children, and need everyone else having less. Abortion, applied with this in mind, is arguably a moral action.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

    “The abortion debate illustrates perfectly the fundamental problem with a multiracial society:”

    No, what it illustrates is that a small subset of people like yourself are illogical—abortion for whites bad, abortion for nonwhites good. But normal people do not view it in strict terms of race, but rather in broad terms of human life.

    “Different races of people quite simply require different sets of rules in order to function within it.”

    Except Christianity—you know, the bastion of Western Civilization—doesn’t view it that way. God has one sett of rules for all of his followers, and it is not based on race, but it is based on his commandments.

    “The Constitution was written by and meant for a very specific and select group of Western Europeans.”

    No, it was meant for our posterity, with each generation making that determination.

    “Negroes, mestizos, Asians and even some Eastern European groups cannot function productively within its boundaries alone.”

    You forget to include Southern Europeans. Does this group pass your muster? Regardless, normal people today would take umbrage with your arbitrary and capricious position. Here is an exercise to undertake. Go to a Slavic neighborhood or church. Wear a sign that expresses your sentiments about them. Make sure to record your experience on social media. See what happens next.

    “They require what I refer to as “intensive local authority.” They are not equipped to function in a high trust, advanced society. The require stricter rules and harsher punishment.”

    This is why I love this opinion webzine so much! People like you who truly believe bizarre notions, as if their thoughts are normal. How do you even propose to convince your fellow whites to undertake this task? Where do you begin? How do you go about putting this plan in place knowing full well there are legal and social barriers to overcome?

    “We need Western European descended people having more children”

    Unless you have eight or more white children, you are a biological failure based on your own metrics you’ve touted.

    “Abortion, applied with this in mind, is arguably a moral action”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “I was just told a story today about a guy who works in our main office who married a woman, adopted her children from a previous marriage, only to have her divorce him, return to the biological father of her children, while he is now legally obligated to pay child support on his adopted children.”

    More likely is that you made up this story.

    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Corvinus

    You are so emotionally invested in making sure white people, and only white people, never treat themselves with self-respect. You spend decades obsessed with attacking whites who just want their own communities, schools and spaces in this world.

    You have nursed such a hatred for white people that nothing else can exist inside you.

    Sad.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  385. @Corvinus
    @Mike Tre

    “The abortion debate illustrates perfectly the fundamental problem with a multiracial society:”

    No, what it illustrates is that a small subset of people like yourself are illogical—abortion for whites bad, abortion for nonwhites good. But normal people do not view it in strict terms of race, but rather in broad terms of human life.

    “Different races of people quite simply require different sets of rules in order to function within it.”

    Except Christianity—you know, the bastion of Western Civilization—doesn’t view it that way. God has one sett of rules for all of his followers, and it is not based on race, but it is based on his commandments.

    “The Constitution was written by and meant for a very specific and select group of Western Europeans.”

    No, it was meant for our posterity, with each generation making that determination.

    “Negroes, mestizos, Asians and even some Eastern European groups cannot function productively within its boundaries alone.”

    You forget to include Southern Europeans. Does this group pass your muster? Regardless, normal people today would take umbrage with your arbitrary and capricious position. Here is an exercise to undertake. Go to a Slavic neighborhood or church. Wear a sign that expresses your sentiments about them. Make sure to record your experience on social media. See what happens next.

    “They require what I refer to as “intensive local authority.” They are not equipped to function in a high trust, advanced society. The require stricter rules and harsher punishment.”

    This is why I love this opinion webzine so much! People like you who truly believe bizarre notions, as if their thoughts are normal. How do you even propose to convince your fellow whites to undertake this task? Where do you begin? How do you go about putting this plan in place knowing full well there are legal and social barriers to overcome?

    “We need Western European descended people having more children”

    Unless you have eight or more white children, you are a biological failure based on your own metrics you’ve touted.

    “Abortion, applied with this in mind, is arguably a moral action”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “I was just told a story today about a guy who works in our main office who married a woman, adopted her children from a previous marriage, only to have her divorce him, return to the biological father of her children, while he is now legally obligated to pay child support on his adopted children.”

    More likely is that you made up this story.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You are so emotionally invested in making sure white people, and only white people, never treat themselves with self-respect. You spend decades obsessed with attacking whites who just want their own communities, schools and spaces in this world.

    You have nursed such a hatred for white people that nothing else can exist inside you.

    Sad.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You are so emotionally invested in making sure any and all people, especially liberty loving white people, who dare to call into serious question your racial litmus test. You spend decades obsessed with attacking whites, most notably Christian whites who are beholden to God and Jesus, who want to live and procreate with their brethren. You have nursed such a hatred for those whom you arbitrarily and unilaterally labeled as "treasonous white people" that nothing else can exist inside you.

    Sad, indeed.

  386. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    No, Corn got it decidedly wrong. The decisions made by the judges in the Trump election free cases were based on the lack of merit, standing, and/or evidence. Corn linked to an article by John Eastman (!), who also faces disbarment for his malfeasance in 2020.

    https://statesunited.org/resources/the-final-case/

    —Eastman knew his claims that the election was tainted by fraud and illegality lacked credible support. He ignored court decisions and statements by federal and state officials rejecting the claims. Instead, he tried to support his claims using unreliable, unvetted sources, when he knew, or chose to ignore, that they were not experts. During the trial, these “experts” conceded they could not demonstrate that fraud occurred in the 2020 election. In addition, Eastman’s own constitutional law expert testified that he believed Biden won the election “fair and square” and that Pence “was on unassailable ground when he said that he had ‘no right to overturn the election.’”

    You are desperately trying to make it appear that in every or most instances the judge dismissed the argument on the most stringent or precise meaning of election law. No. If an accusation of voter fraud is made, there must be a standard of proof to be met. Trump’s lawyers did not meet that criteria.

    For example, King v. Whitmer (E.D. Mich. Dec. 7, 2020) – While the district court stated that the claims of plaintiffs—Republican presidential electors—could be dismissed for lack of standing, the district court nonetheless analyzed the merits of the plaintiffs’ claims. First, the district court was unpersuaded by the plaintiffs’ claim that defendants violated the Elections and Electors Clauses by allegedly violating the Michigan Election Code because it found that deviations from state election law are not the same as modifications of state election law. Second, the district court found the plaintiffs’ Equal Protection claim to be too speculative, finding no evidence that physical ballots were altered. The plaintiffs filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court on Dec. 11, 2020, and subsequently filed a motion for expedited consideration on Dec. 18, 2020. However, the court denied the motion to expedite on January 11.

    Furthermore, the big elephant in the room that you neglect to confront is Powell and Giuliani were exposed as legal charlatans. They f— lied about massive voter fraud. They lost their law licenses.

    Replies: @Curle

    You are desperately trying to make it appear that in every or most instances the judge dismissed the argument on the most stringent or precise meaning of election law.

    You really do have reading comprehension issues, but we already know that. As I made abundantly clear, at least to someone who isn’t the fool going by the name Corvinus

    Most state election systems are built upon the premise that electoral challenges are to be discouraged not that the courts are there to ensure fraud never happens. The unfortunate side effect of this is that fraud is easy to commit and hard to catch. Tolerance for some amount of fraud is assumed and built into the cake. Politicians writing election laws don’t want it to be too easy to overturn elections or force recounts. Recounts are incredibly expensive. Electoral challenges are expensive. Government officials have other things to do.

    The rest of your selected presentation of an section of an article where you provide no description of the nature of the challenge you report emphasizing instead dicta (superfluous commentary) as part of your effort to contradict all election challenges. You’ve either carefully avoided the issue I posed describing the King County, Washington case or you are too dumb to understand the point made by that example which is that the burden of proof required for successful challenges is dependent not on the state proving the election was unsullied by fraud but the contrary, that even where the electoral mechanisms clearly failed or were poorly executed or the state was indifferent in their execution, the bar requiring proof is decisive in even the most extreme circumstances such as King County, Washington.

    Your cut and paste does nothing to contradict that.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    You can repeat your statement (Most state election systems...") all you want. My vague impression is that you want the court system to automatically defer to those who call election results into question and have an investigation into the allegations. No need to concern ourselves with the rule of law. No need to concern ourselves with procedures. In your world, if there is an allegation, it automatically has merit, and so must we begin the process of digging deeper into supposed election malpractice.

    "The rest of your selected presentation of an section of an article where you provide no description of the nature of the challenge you report"

    To the contrary, the source I provided clearly showed what the Trump legal team was contesting.

    "emphasizing instead dicta (superfluous commentary) as part of your effort to contradict all election challenges"

    To the contrary, the source I provided clearly showed how and why the courts dismissed the case.

    "You’ve either carefully avoided the issue I posed describing the King County, Washington"

    I am saying that it is a red herring. Furthermore, talk about "careful avoidance'--why have you yet to acknowledge that Powell and Guiliani lied about their massive voter fraud allegations and were duly punished for it?

    "burden of proof required for successful challenges is dependent not on the state proving the election was unsullied by fraud but the contrary"

    Right, the burden of proof is on the petitioner. That appears to me to be the standard practice. It is something you apparently vehemently oppose. But that is the law. The Trump legal team did NOT meet the criteria. The courts gave their legal opinions in clear, concise language. And you are zigging your wig over it, all on the assumption that there was patent wrongdoing by election officials.

    "where the electoral mechanisms clearly failed or were poorly executed or the state was indifferent in their execution"

    You are ASSUMING that the allegations made by Trump's legal team are accurate, that in every or most cases they brought forth there was definitive malfeasance. In reality, no, there was not the type of massive voter fraud as claimed. So naturally you will dismiss the source I provided that puts your argument into serious doubt.

  387. @epebble
    @John Johnson

    not pulling out?

    I had to read it (the original joke) a couple of times to believe what I was reading. Then I realized this lecher is telling this in MSG in front of 10,000 women of all ages (10-year-old girls to 80-year-old grandmothers). I felt embarrassed reading it.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I had to read it (the original joke) a couple of times to believe what I was reading. Then I realized this lecher is telling this in MSG in front of 10,000 women of all ages (10-year-old girls to 80-year-old grandmothers). I felt embarrassed reading it.

    Yes it was completely cringe to watch. There were clearly kids in the audience and he actually made a joke about pulling out of a woman.

    Trump is taking GOP rallies to new moral levels.

    First he had on the gangster rapper and porn star.

    In the last stretch of the election he rallies in a locked Democrat state and has a loser lounge act make a joke about pulling out in front of women and children. Some real genius strategizing in an election that will be decided by swing states.

    This is the candidate that has a record low with White women for a GOP candidate.

    In a strange attempt to somehow redeem himself Trump dressed up as a garbage collector:

    How to know if your actions were a bad idea: If doing absolutely nothing would have yielded a better result.

    If Trump was actually following the data he would be appealing to White women in swing states. That would be the wiser strategy. A poor strategy would be throwing red meat to his voter base that would vote for him even if he banged a porn star on stage to gangster rap playing in the background.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson

    Do you have a professional job in the real world? If so do you let know-it-all midwits on the street, at the gym or at the bar tell you how to do your job? Do you imagine with your tendencies on display here that anyone of either party would categorize you as a strategic asset to the campaign or a time and resource waster? How many undecided and easily offended Puerto Ricans in swing states who are capable of making this their big issue sufficient to change the outcome of the election are there sufficient to obviate the value of hours of free TV coverage on FOX and elsewhere in the days preceding the election showing coverage of excited and energized Trump supporters? People energized by a comedian they found funny?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @epebble

  388. @John Johnson
    @epebble

    I had to read it (the original joke) a couple of times to believe what I was reading. Then I realized this lecher is telling this in MSG in front of 10,000 women of all ages (10-year-old girls to 80-year-old grandmothers). I felt embarrassed reading it.

    Yes it was completely cringe to watch. There were clearly kids in the audience and he actually made a joke about pulling out of a woman.

    Trump is taking GOP rallies to new moral levels.

    First he had on the gangster rapper and porn star.

    In the last stretch of the election he rallies in a locked Democrat state and has a loser lounge act make a joke about pulling out in front of women and children. Some real genius strategizing in an election that will be decided by swing states.

    This is the candidate that has a record low with White women for a GOP candidate.

    In a strange attempt to somehow redeem himself Trump dressed up as a garbage collector:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowTnlSylRE

    How to know if your actions were a bad idea: If doing absolutely nothing would have yielded a better result.

    If Trump was actually following the data he would be appealing to White women in swing states. That would be the wiser strategy. A poor strategy would be throwing red meat to his voter base that would vote for him even if he banged a porn star on stage to gangster rap playing in the background.

    Replies: @Curle

    Do you have a professional job in the real world? If so do you let know-it-all midwits on the street, at the gym or at the bar tell you how to do your job? Do you imagine with your tendencies on display here that anyone of either party would categorize you as a strategic asset to the campaign or a time and resource waster? How many undecided and easily offended Puerto Ricans in swing states who are capable of making this their big issue sufficient to change the outcome of the election are there sufficient to obviate the value of hours of free TV coverage on FOX and elsewhere in the days preceding the election showing coverage of excited and energized Trump supporters? People energized by a comedian they found funny?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    Read this carefully by John Johnson...

    "Trump is taking GOP rallies to new moral levels. First he had on the gangster rapper and porn star. In the last stretch of the election he rallies in a locked Democrat state and has a loser lounge act make a joke about pulling out in front of women and children. Some real genius strategizing in an election that will be decided by swing states. This is the candidate that has a record low with White women for a GOP candidate. In a strange attempt to somehow redeem himself Trump dressed up as a garbage collector".

    Apparently, this is something that you have no or little difficulty in telling your children or grandchildren (if you have them) that THIS IS NORMAL BEHAVIOR for a political candidate, and that they should NOT call it out as being ABNORMAL or OUTSIDE THE NORMS OF DECENCY. Apparently, acting or being presidential means he/she can be crass and brash, that is EXPECTED CONDUCT, i.e. NORMALIZED.

    Imagine if your wife or kids or best friends acted like Trump all of the time. Is this something you would find "funny" or even "appealing"? I imagine you work or have worked. Would you act like him in front of your co-workers? Do you imagine with these tendencies on display that your co-workers would categorize you as a strategic asset to where you are employed?

    Replies: @Curle

    , @epebble
    @Curle

    Telling an overtly sexual joke in a presidential campaign that will be transmitted to millions of women (and men with sensibilities too) was a poor choice. Worse than the 'Garbage' joke about Puerto Rico. I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/politics/video/megyn-kelly-donald-trump-madison-square-garden-reaction-ctm-digvid

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4zDDVKmoKE

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Curle, @Alden

  389. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Corvinus

    You are so emotionally invested in making sure white people, and only white people, never treat themselves with self-respect. You spend decades obsessed with attacking whites who just want their own communities, schools and spaces in this world.

    You have nursed such a hatred for white people that nothing else can exist inside you.

    Sad.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You are so emotionally invested in making sure any and all people, especially liberty loving white people, who dare to call into serious question your racial litmus test. You spend decades obsessed with attacking whites, most notably Christian whites who are beholden to God and Jesus, who want to live and procreate with their brethren. You have nursed such a hatred for those whom you arbitrarily and unilaterally labeled as “treasonous white people” that nothing else can exist inside you.

    Sad, indeed.

    • Troll: deep anonymous
  390. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    You are desperately trying to make it appear that in every or most instances the judge dismissed the argument on the most stringent or precise meaning of election law.
     
    You really do have reading comprehension issues, but we already know that. As I made abundantly clear, at least to someone who isn’t the fool going by the name Corvinus

    Most state election systems are built upon the premise that electoral challenges are to be discouraged not that the courts are there to ensure fraud never happens. The unfortunate side effect of this is that fraud is easy to commit and hard to catch. Tolerance for some amount of fraud is assumed and built into the cake. Politicians writing election laws don’t want it to be too easy to overturn elections or force recounts. Recounts are incredibly expensive. Electoral challenges are expensive. Government officials have other things to do.
     
    The rest of your selected presentation of an section of an article where you provide no description of the nature of the challenge you report emphasizing instead dicta (superfluous commentary) as part of your effort to contradict all election challenges. You’ve either carefully avoided the issue I posed describing the King County, Washington case or you are too dumb to understand the point made by that example which is that the burden of proof required for successful challenges is dependent not on the state proving the election was unsullied by fraud but the contrary, that even where the electoral mechanisms clearly failed or were poorly executed or the state was indifferent in their execution, the bar requiring proof is decisive in even the most extreme circumstances such as King County, Washington.

    Your cut and paste does nothing to contradict that.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You can repeat your statement (Most state election systems…”) all you want. My vague impression is that you want the court system to automatically defer to those who call election results into question and have an investigation into the allegations. No need to concern ourselves with the rule of law. No need to concern ourselves with procedures. In your world, if there is an allegation, it automatically has merit, and so must we begin the process of digging deeper into supposed election malpractice.

    “The rest of your selected presentation of an section of an article where you provide no description of the nature of the challenge you report”

    To the contrary, the source I provided clearly showed what the Trump legal team was contesting.

    “emphasizing instead dicta (superfluous commentary) as part of your effort to contradict all election challenges”

    To the contrary, the source I provided clearly showed how and why the courts dismissed the case.

    “You’ve either carefully avoided the issue I posed describing the King County, Washington”

    I am saying that it is a red herring. Furthermore, talk about “careful avoidance’–why have you yet to acknowledge that Powell and Guiliani lied about their massive voter fraud allegations and were duly punished for it?

    “burden of proof required for successful challenges is dependent not on the state proving the election was unsullied by fraud but the contrary”

    Right, the burden of proof is on the petitioner. That appears to me to be the standard practice. It is something you apparently vehemently oppose. But that is the law. The Trump legal team did NOT meet the criteria. The courts gave their legal opinions in clear, concise language. And you are zigging your wig over it, all on the assumption that there was patent wrongdoing by election officials.

    “where the electoral mechanisms clearly failed or were poorly executed or the state was indifferent in their execution”

    You are ASSUMING that the allegations made by Trump’s legal team are accurate, that in every or most cases they brought forth there was definitive malfeasance. In reality, no, there was not the type of massive voter fraud as claimed. So naturally you will dismiss the source I provided that puts your argument into serious doubt.

  391. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    Do you have a professional job in the real world? If so do you let know-it-all midwits on the street, at the gym or at the bar tell you how to do your job? Do you imagine with your tendencies on display here that anyone of either party would categorize you as a strategic asset to the campaign or a time and resource waster? How many undecided and easily offended Puerto Ricans in swing states who are capable of making this their big issue sufficient to change the outcome of the election are there sufficient to obviate the value of hours of free TV coverage on FOX and elsewhere in the days preceding the election showing coverage of excited and energized Trump supporters? People energized by a comedian they found funny?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @epebble

    Read this carefully by John Johnson…

    “Trump is taking GOP rallies to new moral levels. First he had on the gangster rapper and porn star. In the last stretch of the election he rallies in a locked Democrat state and has a loser lounge act make a joke about pulling out in front of women and children. Some real genius strategizing in an election that will be decided by swing states. This is the candidate that has a record low with White women for a GOP candidate. In a strange attempt to somehow redeem himself Trump dressed up as a garbage collector”.

    Apparently, this is something that you have no or little difficulty in telling your children or grandchildren (if you have them) that THIS IS NORMAL BEHAVIOR for a political candidate, and that they should NOT call it out as being ABNORMAL or OUTSIDE THE NORMS OF DECENCY. Apparently, acting or being presidential means he/she can be crass and brash, that is EXPECTED CONDUCT, i.e. NORMALIZED.

    Imagine if your wife or kids or best friends acted like Trump all of the time. Is this something you would find “funny” or even “appealing”? I imagine you work or have worked. Would you act like him in front of your co-workers? Do you imagine with these tendencies on display that your co-workers would categorize you as a strategic asset to where you are employed?

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Apparently, this is something that you have no or little difficulty in telling your children or grandchildren (if you have them) that THIS IS NORMAL BEHAVIOR for a political candidate, and that they should NOT call it out as being ABNORMAL or OUTSIDE THE NORMS OF DECENCY.
     
    If the norms of decency were guiding American politics we would t have criminal aliens crossing the border at will. We wouldn’t have heritage statues destroyed by people whose ancestors weren’t even here when they arrived. We wouldn’t have media outlets running campaigns for investor class interests. We wouldn’t be treating sociology as a credible source of authority. We wouldn’t be burying crime differentials between races. We wouldn’t be hiding foreign graft/bribes to American politicians. We wouldn’t be upending the lives of poor but decent Americans in out of the way Red state towns by importing scores of culturally incompatible people so that they are made not only poorer but less safe and less comfortable in their surroundings. We wouldn’t be exposing female athletes to transsexuals. And on and on and on. Whatever petty norm you think Trump has violated is insignificant by an order of magnitude to the violation of norms carried out with the connivance of his opponents.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  392. @Mike Tre
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    The abortion debate illustrates perfectly the fundamental problem with a multiracial society: Different races of people quite simply require different sets of rules in order to function within it.

    The Constitution was written by and meant for a very specific and select group of Western Europeans. Negroes, mestizos, Asians and even some Eastern European groups cannot function productively within its boundaries alone. They require what I refer to as "intensive local authority." They are not equipped to function in a high trust, advanced society. The require stricter rules and harsher punishment.

    We need Western European descended people having more children, and need everyone else having less. Abortion, applied with this in mind, is arguably a moral action.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

    Hispânicas have the most abortions then blacks then Whites. We Whites are legally the lowest affirmative action class in America. Which is one reason Whites hesitate to get married

    Legal, free abortions are one way we can eliminate more black and brown affirmative action beneficiaries . Blacks and browns who will be given jobs business loans and permits that Whites are denied. We’re 60 years into affirmative action discrimination against Whites.

    64 years after the race traitor president Kennedy signed Executive Order 10925 on March 6, 1961 mandating affirmative action for negroes a mere 7 weeks after he became President An executive order written by Jew Arthur Goldberg whom Kennedy placed on the Supreme Court.

    Aborting black and brown babies is eugenic for America. And will give our White babies the prospects denied to Whites by affirmative action. 4 blue eyed light haired White children 8 blue eyed light haired I truly only care about them. And all White children

    Not black and brown affirmative action beneficiaries and future criminals.

  393. @Colin Wright
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    '...America is ruled solely, and ruled with an iron fist, by Organized Jewry. Jews (consciously, and as Jews not Americans or “fellow whites”) control every single choke point, institution and path to power in this country; and Jewry cares only about its own interests, its own will to power, and its own goals — and, again sadly but truthfully, the main and constant goal of Organized Jewry, as revealed plainly by its actions, is the destruction of America and...'
     
    If only. It all would be relatively easy to fight if this were so.

    But the sad fact is that most of the Jews you object to see themselves as good people, doing good things.

    Take a former friend of mine. He went into computers, and is now some sort of upper mid-level factotum at Google. I would guess he's involved in much of what you and I object to -- is in fact a minion of Sauron.

    But does he think of himself like that? I doubt it. To take one example, back when Ford came up with the Taurus ('a quality car -- made in America!') he promptly bought one. The guy sees himself as a good person -- and he sees himself doing the right thing, not as a Jew, but as an American. I'm confident of that.

    Ditto for a former neighbor of mine -- a mother of three when I was growing up. Well, on the one hand, when I encountered her when I went back to the old country to sell my mother's house, she expressed a wish that a homosexual couple would buy it -- a Jewess in tooth and claw, determined to wreck America.

    ...but I also remember that when some effort was made to save the GM plant in Fremont, Ca by having it build Toyota Corolla clones branded as Chevy Novas, she bought one.

    These aren't bad people. And they are at least a majority of the people we're fighting. Not the more or less conscious Haim Sabans and Alan Dershowitzs; but all those legions of decent people.

    ...decent people with some unfortunate assumptions buried deep within their psyches.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You know, Stalin had these two cousins, Larry and Jake, who were really great guys. Larry was really funny, and he could do this hilarious party trick with a cigarette lighter that was so cool!

    So Stalin couldn’t have murdered all those millions of people like they say he did. He was related to Larry and Jake!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    You know, Stalin had these two cousins, Larry and Jake, who were really great guys. Larry was really funny, and he could do this hilarious party trick with a cigarette lighter that was so cool!

    So Stalin couldn’t have murdered all those millions of people like they say he did. He was related to Larry and Jake!
     
    Yes, but your argument amounts to asserting that Larry and Jake are consciously colluding with Stalin in some conscious plot.

    They're not. Larry and Jake see themselves as pretty nice guys, and taken one at a time, they are.

    This is the problem. It's not the legions of fiends incarnate, consciously trying to ruin our lives. It's all the decent people, doing what they think is right.

    I'm not saying that therefore we shouldn't fight them. I'm saying that it makes the battle more difficult -- but we can only win if we recognize that. Tell everyone that the Jews are collectively plotting to destroy them, and many will promptly think of that nice Jewish doctor their mother relies on, or that decent appliance retailer they trust. They'll immediately discount your claims.

    Look: the lawyer father of a Jewish friend of mine once got a rather serious criminal charge against me dismissed; he refused to accept any payment. Now, you can talk about the pernicious effects all those legions of Jewish lawyers have -- but you'll have a harder time arguing that they are individually all bad people.

    Recognize what Jews are -- not what simplifies things for you -- and you may get somewhere.
  394. @Alden
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You forgot sufficient income and housing as a prerequisite to marriage and children.

    Reading your comment I don’t believe you’re married and have children.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “You forgot sufficient income and housing as a prerequisite to marriage and children.”

    No I didn’t. Diversity and its discontents by very definition depress and ruin income, raise housing costs and deplete housing quality and stock and ruin previously livable neighborhoods. Diversity is by definition a plague on white family formation, which is precisely why the Jews have inflicted it on us. This is kindergarten building blocks, I didn’t think it needed to be spelled out for you.

    “I don’t believe you’re married and have children.”

    Let’s at least entertain your zany premise for a moment. So, if I don’t have kids, that is what makes my analysis not true?

    Sheesh you’re an easy sell. The Kammy booth is right over there.

  395. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    Read this carefully by John Johnson...

    "Trump is taking GOP rallies to new moral levels. First he had on the gangster rapper and porn star. In the last stretch of the election he rallies in a locked Democrat state and has a loser lounge act make a joke about pulling out in front of women and children. Some real genius strategizing in an election that will be decided by swing states. This is the candidate that has a record low with White women for a GOP candidate. In a strange attempt to somehow redeem himself Trump dressed up as a garbage collector".

    Apparently, this is something that you have no or little difficulty in telling your children or grandchildren (if you have them) that THIS IS NORMAL BEHAVIOR for a political candidate, and that they should NOT call it out as being ABNORMAL or OUTSIDE THE NORMS OF DECENCY. Apparently, acting or being presidential means he/she can be crass and brash, that is EXPECTED CONDUCT, i.e. NORMALIZED.

    Imagine if your wife or kids or best friends acted like Trump all of the time. Is this something you would find "funny" or even "appealing"? I imagine you work or have worked. Would you act like him in front of your co-workers? Do you imagine with these tendencies on display that your co-workers would categorize you as a strategic asset to where you are employed?

    Replies: @Curle

    Apparently, this is something that you have no or little difficulty in telling your children or grandchildren (if you have them) that THIS IS NORMAL BEHAVIOR for a political candidate, and that they should NOT call it out as being ABNORMAL or OUTSIDE THE NORMS OF DECENCY.

    If the norms of decency were guiding American politics we would t have criminal aliens crossing the border at will. We wouldn’t have heritage statues destroyed by people whose ancestors weren’t even here when they arrived. We wouldn’t have media outlets running campaigns for investor class interests. We wouldn’t be treating sociology as a credible source of authority. We wouldn’t be burying crime differentials between races. We wouldn’t be hiding foreign graft/bribes to American politicians. We wouldn’t be upending the lives of poor but decent Americans in out of the way Red state towns by importing scores of culturally incompatible people so that they are made not only poorer but less safe and less comfortable in their surroundings. We wouldn’t be exposing female athletes to transsexuals. And on and on and on. Whatever petty norm you think Trump has violated is insignificant by an order of magnitude to the violation of norms carried out with the connivance of his opponents.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    "If the norms of decency were guiding American politics we would t have criminal aliens crossing the border at will."

    Hyperbole, but I get the sentiment.

    "We wouldn’t have heritage statues destroyed by people whose ancestors weren’t even here when they arrived."

    Seems to me you are referencing Black people destroying them, right? Well, their ancestors were here, Cochise.

    "We wouldn’t have media outlets running campaigns for investor class interests."

    You mean like Trump himself, along with his buddies Bezos, Theil, and Musk?

    "We wouldn’t be treating sociology as a credible source of authority."

    But that is what Mr. Sailer and Robert Reich and Charles Murray in part relies upon for peddling HbD or race theories.

    "We wouldn’t be burying crime differentials between races."

    Come again?

    "We wouldn’t be hiding foreign graft/bribes to American politicians."

    You mean like Trump himself, along with Musk?

    "importing scores of culturally incompatible people"

    In your opinion.

    "We wouldn’t be exposing female athletes to transsexuals."

    Totally on board with that one.

    "Whatever petty norm you think Trump has violated"

    And your rant only served as a distraction in the end. See, normal people believe Trump repeatedly violates the social norms and order. Apparently you have no or little problem with him, or your wife, or your kids, or your friends, engaging in the same behavior. Seems to me that if your son came home and said "Puerto Ricans are garbage" or "I can just grab women by the p----", you would thank him for not succumbing to "petty norms". If that be the case, it says everything about your character (or lack thereof).

    Replies: @Curle

  396. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Apparently, this is something that you have no or little difficulty in telling your children or grandchildren (if you have them) that THIS IS NORMAL BEHAVIOR for a political candidate, and that they should NOT call it out as being ABNORMAL or OUTSIDE THE NORMS OF DECENCY.
     
    If the norms of decency were guiding American politics we would t have criminal aliens crossing the border at will. We wouldn’t have heritage statues destroyed by people whose ancestors weren’t even here when they arrived. We wouldn’t have media outlets running campaigns for investor class interests. We wouldn’t be treating sociology as a credible source of authority. We wouldn’t be burying crime differentials between races. We wouldn’t be hiding foreign graft/bribes to American politicians. We wouldn’t be upending the lives of poor but decent Americans in out of the way Red state towns by importing scores of culturally incompatible people so that they are made not only poorer but less safe and less comfortable in their surroundings. We wouldn’t be exposing female athletes to transsexuals. And on and on and on. Whatever petty norm you think Trump has violated is insignificant by an order of magnitude to the violation of norms carried out with the connivance of his opponents.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “If the norms of decency were guiding American politics we would t have criminal aliens crossing the border at will.”

    Hyperbole, but I get the sentiment.

    “We wouldn’t have heritage statues destroyed by people whose ancestors weren’t even here when they arrived.”

    Seems to me you are referencing Black people destroying them, right? Well, their ancestors were here, Cochise.

    “We wouldn’t have media outlets running campaigns for investor class interests.”

    You mean like Trump himself, along with his buddies Bezos, Theil, and Musk?

    “We wouldn’t be treating sociology as a credible source of authority.”

    But that is what Mr. Sailer and Robert Reich and Charles Murray in part relies upon for peddling HbD or race theories.

    “We wouldn’t be burying crime differentials between races.”

    Come again?

    “We wouldn’t be hiding foreign graft/bribes to American politicians.”

    You mean like Trump himself, along with Musk?

    “importing scores of culturally incompatible people”

    In your opinion.

    “We wouldn’t be exposing female athletes to transsexuals.”

    Totally on board with that one.

    “Whatever petty norm you think Trump has violated”

    And your rant only served as a distraction in the end. See, normal people believe Trump repeatedly violates the social norms and order. Apparently you have no or little problem with him, or your wife, or your kids, or your friends, engaging in the same behavior. Seems to me that if your son came home and said “Puerto Ricans are garbage” or “I can just grab women by the p—-“, you would thank him for not succumbing to “petty norms”. If that be the case, it says everything about your character (or lack thereof).

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Apparently you have no or little problem with him, or your wife, or your kids, or your friends, engaging in the same behavior. Seems to me that if your son came home and said “Puerto Ricans are garbage”
     
    Forgive me for being more concerned about the cost of living not to mention South American gangsters and Haitian refugees coming into the country illegally and driving Americans out of their homes. Plus I do wonder how parents will answer the question from their daughters, “was the President Willie Brown’s mistress and did she really get to be Alameda County Prosecutor simply for sleeping with County fixer Brown?” At least the little girls of the country will get a good lesson in getting ahead the Kamala Harris way.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  397. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    Do you have a professional job in the real world? If so do you let know-it-all midwits on the street, at the gym or at the bar tell you how to do your job? Do you imagine with your tendencies on display here that anyone of either party would categorize you as a strategic asset to the campaign or a time and resource waster? How many undecided and easily offended Puerto Ricans in swing states who are capable of making this their big issue sufficient to change the outcome of the election are there sufficient to obviate the value of hours of free TV coverage on FOX and elsewhere in the days preceding the election showing coverage of excited and energized Trump supporters? People energized by a comedian they found funny?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @epebble

    Telling an overtly sexual joke in a presidential campaign that will be transmitted to millions of women (and men with sensibilities too) was a poor choice. Worse than the ‘Garbage’ joke about Puerto Rico. I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/politics/video/megyn-kelly-donald-trump-madison-square-garden-reaction-ctm-digvid

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @epebble

    Doesn't matter. Nikki Haley and Megyn Kelly are still voting for Trump. They might as well get groped by him as they make their way to the polling station.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Curle
    @epebble


    I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?
     
    That’s what I keep saying about the cartels and gangsters coming over the borders, and refugees pricing people out of their homes. If it was only men affected no big deal, but it is the women and children I’m worried about.

    How about you transcribe this offense against decency that you are having a moral panic over and save us all the time rather than simply telling us what was said that didn’t bother the crowd but has you peeing your pants? When you are done with that tell us about the witch that lives on the edge of your town. The ghost in your house. The neighbor’s mean dog and all the other things that get you hysterical over the course of a normal week that otherwise doesn’t include South American criminals crossing the border or visions of what Kamala Harris had to do to get Willie Brown’s machine to promote her career.

    Replies: @epebble, @Mike Tre

    , @Alden
    @epebble

    LOL. The grandmothers of 2024 were the hippy weed smoking LSD and cocaine using promiscuous hippy girls of the late 1960s and 1970s. LOL 🧛🏼

  398. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    Yes, there’s ample proof that Powell and Guillani purposely lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    Yes, there’s ample proof that Powell and Guillani purposely lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.

    Guillani appears to be an idiot. Eli Wiesel lied about the Holocaust. It doesn’t follow that the Holocaust didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "Guillani appears to be an idiot."

    A lying idiot. And his machinations cast serious doubt into the credibility that the 2020 "steal" happened.

    "Eli Wiesel lied about the Holocaust. It doesn’t follow that the Holocaust didn’t happen."

    Leave it to you to bring Jews into the conversation. First, I never mentioned him, I mentioned Sydney Powell. Second, there are accusations that he lied. Third, the Holocaust happened. Fourth, the "massive voter fraud of 2020" did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Curle

  399. Seems to me you are referencing Black people destroying them, right?

    I see you paid as little attention to the make up of that series of events as you do to everything else. The crowd at some of these events was very multicultural. And, in case you don’t know, though Jews were present in small numbers in the US at the Civil War, Jews were active supporters of BLM which had an active presence throughout this exercise.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/black-lives-matter-declare-groups-representing-majority-of-us-jews-in-nyt-ad/

    But that is what Mr. Sailer and Robert Reich and Charles Murray in part relies upon for peddling HbD or race theories.

    Hbd is not a theory of cultural causation.

    Try as you might, you cannot wring the moral panic you desire out the Trump event.

  400. @epebble
    @Curle

    Telling an overtly sexual joke in a presidential campaign that will be transmitted to millions of women (and men with sensibilities too) was a poor choice. Worse than the 'Garbage' joke about Puerto Rico. I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/politics/video/megyn-kelly-donald-trump-madison-square-garden-reaction-ctm-digvid

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4zDDVKmoKE

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Curle, @Alden

    Doesn’t matter. Nikki Haley and Megyn Kelly are still voting for Trump. They might as well get groped by him as they make their way to the polling station.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Corvinus

    That is not the issue. What will a significant number of Haley Republicans and (Dick & Liz) Cheney Republicans and (George) Conway Republicans do? That may decide the margins. Haley got 4.4 million votes in the primaries. If at least 10% of them remain hesitant and go to Harris, that may be the losing margin for Trump. How unlikely is that? Not much, I think.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

  401. @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus


    Yes, there’s ample proof that Powell and Guillani purposely lied about massive voter fraud in 2020.
     
    Guillani appears to be an idiot. Eli Wiesel lied about the Holocaust. It doesn't follow that the Holocaust didn't happen.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Guillani appears to be an idiot.”

    A lying idiot. And his machinations cast serious doubt into the credibility that the 2020 “steal” happened.

    “Eli Wiesel lied about the Holocaust. It doesn’t follow that the Holocaust didn’t happen.”

    Leave it to you to bring Jews into the conversation. First, I never mentioned him, I mentioned Sydney Powell. Second, there are accusations that he lied. Third, the Holocaust happened. Fourth, the “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    As usual, you managed to avoid addressing my point.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Fourth, the “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.
     
    Only the semi-massive voter fraud? Way to hedge your bets! At least you’ve got the confidence of a man who makes declarative statements regarding things he neither comprehends and is unlikely to ever be in a position to comprehend. But, I bet Kamala could ask her former pimp/Squeeze/Significant other-adulterer and he could find out. At least you are only a few steps and some potentially degrading sex acts away from an answer. Might as well get used to how your future commander-in-chief likes to do things. Plus, it will help put the whole Trump rally moral panic into perspective.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  402. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "Guillani appears to be an idiot."

    A lying idiot. And his machinations cast serious doubt into the credibility that the 2020 "steal" happened.

    "Eli Wiesel lied about the Holocaust. It doesn’t follow that the Holocaust didn’t happen."

    Leave it to you to bring Jews into the conversation. First, I never mentioned him, I mentioned Sydney Powell. Second, there are accusations that he lied. Third, the Holocaust happened. Fourth, the "massive voter fraud of 2020" did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Curle

    As usual, you managed to avoid addressing my point.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    I did address your point. The “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  403. @Corvinus
    @epebble

    Doesn't matter. Nikki Haley and Megyn Kelly are still voting for Trump. They might as well get groped by him as they make their way to the polling station.

    Replies: @epebble

    That is not the issue. What will a significant number of Haley Republicans and (Dick & Liz) Cheney Republicans and (George) Conway Republicans do? That may decide the margins. Haley got 4.4 million votes in the primaries. If at least 10% of them remain hesitant and go to Harris, that may be the losing margin for Trump. How unlikely is that? Not much, I think.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @epebble

    “That is not the issue.”

    It is precisely the issue. Kelly was lamenting on her podcast about the boorish behavior of Trump as of late and his decision to have a comedian on stage that goes squarely against the message of “Republican family values”. Seems to me that it’s window dressing for her. Maybe she secretly desires to be manhandled by Trump but then feigns disgust in public.

    “(Dick & Liz) Cheney Republicans and (George) Conway Republicans do? That may decide the margins.”

    They are the rank and file who say they are sick of Trump’s antics for the past 8 years.

    “Haley got 4.4 million votes in the primaries. If at least 10% of them remain hesitant and go to Harris, that may be the losing margin for Trump. How unlikely is that? Not much, I think.”

    We shall see. They could easily pull the handle for Trump. Why? He’s their attack dog.

    , @Art Deco
    @epebble

    There are no George Conway Republicans or Cheney Republicans.

    Replies: @epebble

  404. @epebble
    @Curle

    Telling an overtly sexual joke in a presidential campaign that will be transmitted to millions of women (and men with sensibilities too) was a poor choice. Worse than the 'Garbage' joke about Puerto Rico. I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/politics/video/megyn-kelly-donald-trump-madison-square-garden-reaction-ctm-digvid

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4zDDVKmoKE

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Curle, @Alden

    I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?

    That’s what I keep saying about the cartels and gangsters coming over the borders, and refugees pricing people out of their homes. If it was only men affected no big deal, but it is the women and children I’m worried about.

    How about you transcribe this offense against decency that you are having a moral panic over and save us all the time rather than simply telling us what was said that didn’t bother the crowd but has you peeing your pants? When you are done with that tell us about the witch that lives on the edge of your town. The ghost in your house. The neighbor’s mean dog and all the other things that get you hysterical over the course of a normal week that otherwise doesn’t include South American criminals crossing the border or visions of what Kamala Harris had to do to get Willie Brown’s machine to promote her career.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Curle

    I am not at all in any kind of panic. It is just a vulgar joke for me. I am doing a pre-mortem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-mortem

    Replies: @Curle, @James B. Shearer

    , @Mike Tre
    @Curle

    Epebble is probably the guy who called in the complaint that got Peanut the rescue squirrel apprehended and euthanized by the state of New York.

  405. @Curle
    @epebble


    I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?
     
    That’s what I keep saying about the cartels and gangsters coming over the borders, and refugees pricing people out of their homes. If it was only men affected no big deal, but it is the women and children I’m worried about.

    How about you transcribe this offense against decency that you are having a moral panic over and save us all the time rather than simply telling us what was said that didn’t bother the crowd but has you peeing your pants? When you are done with that tell us about the witch that lives on the edge of your town. The ghost in your house. The neighbor’s mean dog and all the other things that get you hysterical over the course of a normal week that otherwise doesn’t include South American criminals crossing the border or visions of what Kamala Harris had to do to get Willie Brown’s machine to promote her career.

    Replies: @epebble, @Mike Tre

    I am not at all in any kind of panic. It is just a vulgar joke for me. I am doing a pre-mortem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-mortem

    • Replies: @Curle
    @epebble



    I am doing a pre-mortem.
     
    FFS, the Ds have done nothing but try and gin up moral panics for more than a year and did you fall for it every time? Trump is still in the race because the American people know how to prioritize. Grow some balls.
    , @James B. Shearer
    @epebble

    "I am not at all in any kind of panic. It is just a vulgar joke for me. I am doing a pre-mortem."

    If Trump loses the key mistake was agreeing to an early debate with Biden.

    Replies: @epebble

  406. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hinchcliffe

    Tony Hinchcliffe (born June 8, 1984) is an American comedian. Since 2013, he has hosted the live comedy podcast Kill Tony, a showcase of professional and amateur comedians who take turns doing one-minute sets. Hinchcliffe is known primarily for roast comedy, having been on the writing staff of the Comedy Central Roast series, and appearing at the All Def Digital Roast of Snoop Dogg in 2016 and The Roast of Tom Brady in 2024. He has released two comedy specials, One Shot on Netflix in 2016 and Making Friends on YouTube in 2020.

    Hinchcliffe has a reputation for dark humor and insult comedy which has led to several controversies.

    Tony Hinchcliffes best set (Tom Brady Roast) (Kill Tony)

    [MORE]

    Joe on the Tony Hinchcliffe Trump Rally Backlash

    • Replies: @Curle
    @MEH 0910

    Money quote re: comedygate: “it’s a storm about nothing.” Yup. Pass it on to John Johnson.

  407. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/trump-2024-campaign-lewandowski-conway/680456/
    https://archive.is/6fDRs

    Inside the Ruthless, Restless Final Days of Trump’s Campaign
    “What’s discipline got to do with winning?
    By Tim Alberta
    November 2, 2024

    […]
    In truth, some of Trump’s senior staff hadn’t actually watched Hinchcliffe’s set. The Garden was a labyrinth of security checkpoints and political processions, and the event had barely been under way when he spoke. Now they were racing to catch up with the damage—and rewinding the clock to figure out how Hinchcliffe had ended up onstage in the first place.

    It didn’t take long to get to the answer: Alex Bruesewitz.

    Technically a mid-level staffer—formally a liaison to right-wing media, informally a terminally online troll and perpetual devil on the campaign’s shoulder—Bruesewitz had grown his profile inside of Trump’s orbit. The candidate’s appearances on various bro-themed podcasts were hailed as acts of strategic genius. But there was one guest booking Bruesewitz couldn’t secure: He wanted Trump to talk with Hinchcliffe on his show, Kill Tony. When word got around that Trump was looking for opening acts at the Garden, Bruesewitz made the introductions. Trump’s head of planning and production, Justin Caporale, ran with the idea. No senior staff ever bothered to vet Hinchcliffe themselves.

    • LOL: epebble
  408. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    "If the norms of decency were guiding American politics we would t have criminal aliens crossing the border at will."

    Hyperbole, but I get the sentiment.

    "We wouldn’t have heritage statues destroyed by people whose ancestors weren’t even here when they arrived."

    Seems to me you are referencing Black people destroying them, right? Well, their ancestors were here, Cochise.

    "We wouldn’t have media outlets running campaigns for investor class interests."

    You mean like Trump himself, along with his buddies Bezos, Theil, and Musk?

    "We wouldn’t be treating sociology as a credible source of authority."

    But that is what Mr. Sailer and Robert Reich and Charles Murray in part relies upon for peddling HbD or race theories.

    "We wouldn’t be burying crime differentials between races."

    Come again?

    "We wouldn’t be hiding foreign graft/bribes to American politicians."

    You mean like Trump himself, along with Musk?

    "importing scores of culturally incompatible people"

    In your opinion.

    "We wouldn’t be exposing female athletes to transsexuals."

    Totally on board with that one.

    "Whatever petty norm you think Trump has violated"

    And your rant only served as a distraction in the end. See, normal people believe Trump repeatedly violates the social norms and order. Apparently you have no or little problem with him, or your wife, or your kids, or your friends, engaging in the same behavior. Seems to me that if your son came home and said "Puerto Ricans are garbage" or "I can just grab women by the p----", you would thank him for not succumbing to "petty norms". If that be the case, it says everything about your character (or lack thereof).

    Replies: @Curle

    Apparently you have no or little problem with him, or your wife, or your kids, or your friends, engaging in the same behavior. Seems to me that if your son came home and said “Puerto Ricans are garbage”

    Forgive me for being more concerned about the cost of living not to mention South American gangsters and Haitian refugees coming into the country illegally and driving Americans out of their homes. Plus I do wonder how parents will answer the question from their daughters, “was the President Willie Brown’s mistress and did she really get to be Alameda County Prosecutor simply for sleeping with County fixer Brown?” At least the little girls of the country will get a good lesson in getting ahead the Kamala Harris way.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “Forgive me for being more concerned about the cost of living not to mention South American gangsters and Haitian refugees coming into the country illegally and driving Americans out of their homes. “

    More fear tactics in your part. Yes, there are stories of those cases. But you make it allege that all or most act that way. They don’t.

    “Plus I do wonder how parents will answer the question from their daughters, “was the President Willie Brown’s mistress and did she really get to be Alameda County Prosecutor simply for sleeping with County fixer Brown?” At least the little girls of the country will get a good lesson in getting ahead the Kamala Harris way”

    In the same way you tell your son/grandson to grab women by their genitalia, they really like it, even if they say no.

    And talk about fixers! Trump had an entire cadre of them at his disposal.

    Of course what she did was reprehensible. I acknowledge that.

    But here is the difference. So basically you’re not about teaching morality or instilling a sense of right/wrong or holding people accountable in the moment, especially if a man shows a propensity their adult life to lie and cheat, that it’s OK if they do it because they are on your side politically.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Alden

  409. @MEH 0910
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hinchcliffe

    Tony Hinchcliffe (born June 8, 1984) is an American comedian. Since 2013, he has hosted the live comedy podcast Kill Tony, a showcase of professional and amateur comedians who take turns doing one-minute sets. Hinchcliffe is known primarily for roast comedy, having been on the writing staff of the Comedy Central Roast series, and appearing at the All Def Digital Roast of Snoop Dogg in 2016 and The Roast of Tom Brady in 2024. He has released two comedy specials, One Shot on Netflix in 2016 and Making Friends on YouTube in 2020.

    Hinchcliffe has a reputation for dark humor and insult comedy which has led to several controversies.
     
    Tony Hinchcliffes best set (Tom Brady Roast) (Kill Tony)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvNJCUvTR4U


    Joe on the Tony Hinchcliffe Trump Rally Backlash
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhO9D-RysLc

    Replies: @Curle

    Money quote re: comedygate: “it’s a storm about nothing.” Yup. Pass it on to John Johnson.

  410. @Corvinus
    @Corn

    LOL, the article is written by John Eastman, a known Trump toadie!

    Besides….

    https://americanoversight.org/judge-recommends-john-eastman-be-disbarred-for-efforts-to-overturn-2020-election/

    Replies: @Corn

    “Trump toadie” LOL

    Harris or Biden toadies are better? LOL

  411. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    "Guillani appears to be an idiot."

    A lying idiot. And his machinations cast serious doubt into the credibility that the 2020 "steal" happened.

    "Eli Wiesel lied about the Holocaust. It doesn’t follow that the Holocaust didn’t happen."

    Leave it to you to bring Jews into the conversation. First, I never mentioned him, I mentioned Sydney Powell. Second, there are accusations that he lied. Third, the Holocaust happened. Fourth, the "massive voter fraud of 2020" did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Curle

    Fourth, the “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.

    Only the semi-massive voter fraud? Way to hedge your bets! At least you’ve got the confidence of a man who makes declarative statements regarding things he neither comprehends and is unlikely to ever be in a position to comprehend. But, I bet Kamala could ask her former pimp/Squeeze/Significant other-adulterer and he could find out. At least you are only a few steps and some potentially degrading sex acts away from an answer. Might as well get used to how your future commander-in-chief likes to do things. Plus, it will help put the whole Trump rally moral panic into perspective.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “Only the semi-massive voter fraud? Way to hedge your bets! “

    That’s a strawman. Never said that.

    “At least you’ve got the confidence of a man who makes declarative statements regarding things he neither comprehends and is unlikely to ever be in a position to comprehend.”

    It’s more like you disagree with my positions, so rather than further the dialogue, you make these sort of outlandish statements. I know more than you care to admit. This is just a defense mechanism on your part.

    “But, I bet Kamala could ask her former pimp/Squeeze/Significant other-adulterer and he could find out.”

    In the same manner we can find out more about Trump’s shadiness through his fixer Michael Cohen, right? So it appears to me that it didn’t matter to you how crass he is or how much he lies so long as they are in your side. Is that what you teach your kids/grandkids?

    “Plus, it will help put the whole Trump rally moral panic into perspective.”

    There’s been a moral reckoning with Trump’s conduct for eight years now. You conveniently ignore this obvious fact.

    “Nobody cares about Puerto Ricans and jokes except people pushing moral panics.”

    Again, another sweeping generalization. This is what you are now resorting to.

    “A number at only 25% satisfied is thought to be a HARD guarantee of defeat for the incumbent. Harris is at 26%.”

    This statistic shows that Americans regardless of political party are dissatisfied with our how politicians are addressing their needs. No surprise.

    “Is this going to be the time the media succeeds herding the electorate away from their focus on important matters using the device of a moral panic? Clearly Corvinas thinks this is the case?”

    You mean when you just referenced Harris’ own tawdry past? So you’re being a hypocrite here when you appear to completely discount a person’s character or their conduct in the week leading up to the election when pulling the voting lever.

    Is this what you teach your kids/grandkids?

    Replies: @Curle

  412. Anonymous[856] • Disclaimer says:

    Betting markets have tightened from 60-40 (still not great odds) to 55-45. I am getting a lot of hopium Trump will overcome video served to me by the YT algorithm. But I’m a Bayesian and the change in betting odds bugs me.

    It’s going to be a drag if he wins. Oh well, only a few more days where the MSM has to pretend they like her.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Anonymous

    Not even sure what you are trying to say but she’s running in a year where right direction/wrong direction for country is 28%. No incumbent has won with those kind of numbers in recent memory and maybe never.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  413. @Corvinus
    @Precious

    It was only until I requested the citation that you provided one. You should have done that from the jump. Thank you for the link. Although, I thought we can't trust the media, especially NPR. What gives?

    Anyways, I'm glad you agreed that is great that the Biden Administration is cracking down. Not so much under Trump. He claims to "have done so much for Puerto Ricans". Not really.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-probe-confirms-trump-officials-blocked-puerto-rico-receiving-hurri-rcna749


    The Trump administration's OMB also insisted on overhauls to Puerto Rico’s property management records, suspension of its minimum wage on federal contracts and other prerequisites to access relief funds, according to the report. Some HUD officials worried such requirements were potentially beyond HUD’s authority to impose on grantees.

    The Office of Inspector General began the review in March 2019 after Congress asked it to look into hurricane aid delays as the island sought to recover from a storm that resulted in the deaths of 2,975 people and triggered the world's second-longest blackout.

    Seven months after the probe was launched, two top HUD officials admitted to knowingly missing the congressionally mandated deadline to issue a notice that would have unlocked billions in federal recovery funds to Puerto Rico. Carson later defended his agency's actions by echoing Trump talking points — citing concerns about corruption, fiscal irregularities and "Puerto Rico's capacity to manage these funds."
     
    Trump claimed that $92 billion was sent to Puerto Rico to support recovery from Hurricane Maria. The reality? Only $42 billion was allocated by Congress. Of those funds, only $14 billion has been received by Puerto Rico. And an official under Trump in 2019 was indicted for corruption there.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-pr/pr/fema-deputy-regional-administrator-former-president-cobra-acquisitions-llc-and-another

    "A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke."

    A roast comedian roasts a person who knows he/she will get roasted. Furthermore, it was a botched move politically given how Trump and his team supposedly are courting Hispanics.

    Replies: @Precious, @Curle

    I will try and use NPR as a source more often in the future.

  414. If we cut through the crap, it’s the Left-wing of the Israel lobby vs. the Right-wing of the Israel lobby.

    I predict the Israel lobby will win.

  415. @epebble
    @Curle

    I am not at all in any kind of panic. It is just a vulgar joke for me. I am doing a pre-mortem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-mortem

    Replies: @Curle, @James B. Shearer

    I am doing a pre-mortem.

    FFS, the Ds have done nothing but try and gin up moral panics for more than a year and did you fall for it every time? Trump is still in the race because the American people know how to prioritize. Grow some balls.

  416. @Anonymous
    Betting markets have tightened from 60-40 (still not great odds) to 55-45. I am getting a lot of hopium Trump will overcome video served to me by the YT algorithm. But I'm a Bayesian and the change in betting odds bugs me.

    It's going to be a drag if he wins. Oh well, only a few more days where the MSM has to pretend they like her.

    Replies: @Curle

    Not even sure what you are trying to say but she’s running in a year where right direction/wrong direction for country is 28%. No incumbent has won with those kind of numbers in recent memory and maybe never.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Curle

    You don't know what betting markets are? What Bayesian means (or how it relates to betting)? How to use Google?

    Replies: @Curle

  417. @Corvinus
    @Precious

    It was only until I requested the citation that you provided one. You should have done that from the jump. Thank you for the link. Although, I thought we can't trust the media, especially NPR. What gives?

    Anyways, I'm glad you agreed that is great that the Biden Administration is cracking down. Not so much under Trump. He claims to "have done so much for Puerto Ricans". Not really.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-probe-confirms-trump-officials-blocked-puerto-rico-receiving-hurri-rcna749


    The Trump administration's OMB also insisted on overhauls to Puerto Rico’s property management records, suspension of its minimum wage on federal contracts and other prerequisites to access relief funds, according to the report. Some HUD officials worried such requirements were potentially beyond HUD’s authority to impose on grantees.

    The Office of Inspector General began the review in March 2019 after Congress asked it to look into hurricane aid delays as the island sought to recover from a storm that resulted in the deaths of 2,975 people and triggered the world's second-longest blackout.

    Seven months after the probe was launched, two top HUD officials admitted to knowingly missing the congressionally mandated deadline to issue a notice that would have unlocked billions in federal recovery funds to Puerto Rico. Carson later defended his agency's actions by echoing Trump talking points — citing concerns about corruption, fiscal irregularities and "Puerto Rico's capacity to manage these funds."
     
    Trump claimed that $92 billion was sent to Puerto Rico to support recovery from Hurricane Maria. The reality? Only $42 billion was allocated by Congress. Of those funds, only $14 billion has been received by Puerto Rico. And an official under Trump in 2019 was indicted for corruption there.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-pr/pr/fema-deputy-regional-administrator-former-president-cobra-acquisitions-llc-and-another

    "A roast comedian roasts people. It was a roast joke and I got the joke."

    A roast comedian roasts a person who knows he/she will get roasted. Furthermore, it was a botched move politically given how Trump and his team supposedly are courting Hispanics.

    Replies: @Precious, @Curle

    Nobody cares about Puerto Ricans and jokes except people pushing moral panics. Now go crawl back into your cave. Here’s Gallup’s final poll:

    Satisfaction With the Direction of the U.S. Before the 2024 Election

    In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?
    % Satisfied
    Table with 5 columns and 4 rows.
    U.S. adults Republicans Independents Democrats
    % % % %
    U.S. direction
    Satisfied 26 5 25 47
    Dissatisfied 72 95 74 49
    No opinion 2 0 2 4
    Oct. 14-27, 2024

    A number at only 25% satisfied is thought to be a HARD guarantee of defeat for the incumbent. Harris is at 26%.

    Is this going to be the time the media succeeds herding the electorate away from their focus on important matters using the device of a moral panic? Clearly Corvinas thinks this is the case.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    Nobody cares about Puerto Ricans and jokes except people pushing moral panics. Now go crawl back into your cave. Here’s Gallup’s final poll:

    Satisfaction With the Direction of the U.S. Before the 2024 Election

    In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?

    So you are saying that general dissatisfaction with the country means that no one is actually offended by the joke? You are able to read the minds of undecided Hispanic voters? Do you think that Christian conservatives were offended by the pulling out joke?

    Do you think the Trump campaign will have that comedian in another rally?

    The recent Iowa poll shows a huge gap with women:
    https://www.newsweek.com/what-shocking-new-iowa-poll-means-kamala-harris-chances-nate-silver-1979244

    It shows that Trump has actually lost women over the last few months. Trump has a record low rating with White women for a GOP presidential candidate.

    But you still believe I should not be questioning the decisions of the Trump campaign, correct? Even though they clearly regret having a lounge act make crass jokes in a city that will vote for Harris?

    Do you think it is wise strategy to campaign in a locked blue state when polls are showing a tight race with the expectation that the presidency will be decided by swing states?

  418. @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    As usual, you managed to avoid addressing my point.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    I did address your point. The “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus


    'I did address your point. The “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.'

     

    Sigh.
  419. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Been going back and forth. I mean, if it were a real election Trump would obviously win, so it’s a matter of who the Deep State wants. I think it will be Trump, for two reasons. First, he’s more pro-Israel and can get the Scots-Irish warrior class behind a war in the Middle East. Second, I think we are on the verge of an economic calamity which will make 2008 look like a walk in the park. In the eyes of TPTB, better to have Trump and the Republicans in charge so they can take the blame for it.

    Replies: @Travis

    I agree. They will allow Trump to win this time.

  420. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Fourth, the “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.
     
    Only the semi-massive voter fraud? Way to hedge your bets! At least you’ve got the confidence of a man who makes declarative statements regarding things he neither comprehends and is unlikely to ever be in a position to comprehend. But, I bet Kamala could ask her former pimp/Squeeze/Significant other-adulterer and he could find out. At least you are only a few steps and some potentially degrading sex acts away from an answer. Might as well get used to how your future commander-in-chief likes to do things. Plus, it will help put the whole Trump rally moral panic into perspective.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Only the semi-massive voter fraud? Way to hedge your bets! “

    That’s a strawman. Never said that.

    “At least you’ve got the confidence of a man who makes declarative statements regarding things he neither comprehends and is unlikely to ever be in a position to comprehend.”

    It’s more like you disagree with my positions, so rather than further the dialogue, you make these sort of outlandish statements. I know more than you care to admit. This is just a defense mechanism on your part.

    “But, I bet Kamala could ask her former pimp/Squeeze/Significant other-adulterer and he could find out.”

    In the same manner we can find out more about Trump’s shadiness through his fixer Michael Cohen, right? So it appears to me that it didn’t matter to you how crass he is or how much he lies so long as they are in your side. Is that what you teach your kids/grandkids?

    “Plus, it will help put the whole Trump rally moral panic into perspective.”

    There’s been a moral reckoning with Trump’s conduct for eight years now. You conveniently ignore this obvious fact.

    “Nobody cares about Puerto Ricans and jokes except people pushing moral panics.”

    Again, another sweeping generalization. This is what you are now resorting to.

    “A number at only 25% satisfied is thought to be a HARD guarantee of defeat for the incumbent. Harris is at 26%.”

    This statistic shows that Americans regardless of political party are dissatisfied with our how politicians are addressing their needs. No surprise.

    “Is this going to be the time the media succeeds herding the electorate away from their focus on important matters using the device of a moral panic? Clearly Corvinas thinks this is the case?”

    You mean when you just referenced Harris’ own tawdry past? So you’re being a hypocrite here when you appear to completely discount a person’s character or their conduct in the week leading up to the election when pulling the voting lever.

    Is this what you teach your kids/grandkids?

    • Troll: deep anonymous
    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Is this what you teach your kids/grandkids?
     
    I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris. Trump’s personal flaws involved sleeping with a porno actress and taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense. That Harris was a kept woman by an corrupt California machine politician who put her in office to be his ally from whence she rose to the level of Vice President under an administration more corrupt than any in recent history especially and particularly when compared to the Trump Administration. And that in her position in that Administration, she and the President, a man known for taking bribes from foreign governments, used the apparatus of the government to attack their opponents with fake investigations and prosecutions. And further, Harris and her superior presided over one of the if not the greatest failure to perform prescribed duties in US history manifest by their failure to protect the US border. And that, despite all of this corruption and failure to perform, there were people in the general public so benighted as to seek to hand wave these collapses of character by Harris and Biden away in favor criticizing Trump for once hiring an unfunny stand up comedian.

    That’s what I’d tell them. You?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden, @John Johnson

  421. @epebble
    @Corvinus

    That is not the issue. What will a significant number of Haley Republicans and (Dick & Liz) Cheney Republicans and (George) Conway Republicans do? That may decide the margins. Haley got 4.4 million votes in the primaries. If at least 10% of them remain hesitant and go to Harris, that may be the losing margin for Trump. How unlikely is that? Not much, I think.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    “That is not the issue.”

    It is precisely the issue. Kelly was lamenting on her podcast about the boorish behavior of Trump as of late and his decision to have a comedian on stage that goes squarely against the message of “Republican family values”. Seems to me that it’s window dressing for her. Maybe she secretly desires to be manhandled by Trump but then feigns disgust in public.

    “(Dick & Liz) Cheney Republicans and (George) Conway Republicans do? That may decide the margins.”

    They are the rank and file who say they are sick of Trump’s antics for the past 8 years.

    “Haley got 4.4 million votes in the primaries. If at least 10% of them remain hesitant and go to Harris, that may be the losing margin for Trump. How unlikely is that? Not much, I think.”

    We shall see. They could easily pull the handle for Trump. Why? He’s their attack dog.

  422. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Apparently you have no or little problem with him, or your wife, or your kids, or your friends, engaging in the same behavior. Seems to me that if your son came home and said “Puerto Ricans are garbage”
     
    Forgive me for being more concerned about the cost of living not to mention South American gangsters and Haitian refugees coming into the country illegally and driving Americans out of their homes. Plus I do wonder how parents will answer the question from their daughters, “was the President Willie Brown’s mistress and did she really get to be Alameda County Prosecutor simply for sleeping with County fixer Brown?” At least the little girls of the country will get a good lesson in getting ahead the Kamala Harris way.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Forgive me for being more concerned about the cost of living not to mention South American gangsters and Haitian refugees coming into the country illegally and driving Americans out of their homes. “

    More fear tactics in your part. Yes, there are stories of those cases. But you make it allege that all or most act that way. They don’t.

    “Plus I do wonder how parents will answer the question from their daughters, “was the President Willie Brown’s mistress and did she really get to be Alameda County Prosecutor simply for sleeping with County fixer Brown?” At least the little girls of the country will get a good lesson in getting ahead the Kamala Harris way”

    In the same way you tell your son/grandson to grab women by their genitalia, they really like it, even if they say no.

    And talk about fixers! Trump had an entire cadre of them at his disposal.

    Of course what she did was reprehensible. I acknowledge that.

    But here is the difference. So basically you’re not about teaching morality or instilling a sense of right/wrong or holding people accountable in the moment, especially if a man shows a propensity their adult life to lie and cheat, that it’s OK if they do it because they are on your side politically.

    • Troll: deep anonymous
    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus (our resident TUR hasbara Jew troll):

    Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged "Holocaust" -- and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?

    I think it's safe to say you do not support that basic freedom.

    Prove me wrong.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Alden
    @Corvinus

    Your hasty googling of Harris legal career gave you the wrong information

    Harris was never the Alameda County prosecutor or the correct term THE district attorney. She did spend one year 1990 right after law school as an entry level 1st year apprentice assistant district attorney in Alameda County

    She became THE district attorney of the city and county of San Francisco the district attorney is an elected position. Everyone else is an assistant district attorney
    She was elected 2004.

    You didn’t even get the County of which she was THE district attorney correct.

    Pontificate about what you know. Not the results of a google search.

  423. @Curle
    @Anonymous

    Not even sure what you are trying to say but she’s running in a year where right direction/wrong direction for country is 28%. No incumbent has won with those kind of numbers in recent memory and maybe never.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You don’t know what betting markets are? What Bayesian means (or how it relates to betting)? How to use Google?

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Anonymous

    Here’s professional gambler Robert Barnes and his pollster Richard Baris on a show I watch called “What Are the Odds” if that answers your question. The show typically starts around the two minute mark. I think Barnes starts talking at around minute 14 but watch the whole thing for context.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cEQA2TYEDc

  424. If they don’t let hundreds of thousands of old federal workers retire using VERA, dems are done! Including thousands of corrupt chiefs of departments, at ALL levels of federal institutions!

    Tommorrow is the last opportunity for them to save face. AND save taxpayer money!
    Let those federal workers retire by VERA!

  425. @epebble
    @Curle

    I am not at all in any kind of panic. It is just a vulgar joke for me. I am doing a pre-mortem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-mortem

    Replies: @Curle, @James B. Shearer

    “I am not at all in any kind of panic. It is just a vulgar joke for me. I am doing a pre-mortem.”

    If Trump loses the key mistake was agreeing to an early debate with Biden.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @James B. Shearer

    If she wins, she needs to send whoever arranged that debate a gift basket. Also, one of her surrogates should try to send gift baskets to the majority opinion authors of Dobbs case (if it is legal!). More importantly, she should cut out any criticism of the court and that judgement. Even someone as politically untalented as her should at least be grateful to those who made her success possible.

  426. TRUMP Has Multiple Paths To 270

    Nov 3, 2024

    The final road to 270 shows Trump can get to 270 a few different ways while Kamala only has one shot.

  427. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    I did address your point. The “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘I did address your point. The “massive voter fraud of 2020” did not take place as envisioned by Trump supporters.’

    Sigh.

  428. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Colin Wright

    You know, Stalin had these two cousins, Larry and Jake, who were really great guys. Larry was really funny, and he could do this hilarious party trick with a cigarette lighter that was so cool!

    So Stalin couldn't have murdered all those millions of people like they say he did. He was related to Larry and Jake!

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    You know, Stalin had these two cousins, Larry and Jake, who were really great guys. Larry was really funny, and he could do this hilarious party trick with a cigarette lighter that was so cool!

    So Stalin couldn’t have murdered all those millions of people like they say he did. He was related to Larry and Jake!

    Yes, but your argument amounts to asserting that Larry and Jake are consciously colluding with Stalin in some conscious plot.

    They’re not. Larry and Jake see themselves as pretty nice guys, and taken one at a time, they are.

    This is the problem. It’s not the legions of fiends incarnate, consciously trying to ruin our lives. It’s all the decent people, doing what they think is right.

    I’m not saying that therefore we shouldn’t fight them. I’m saying that it makes the battle more difficult — but we can only win if we recognize that. Tell everyone that the Jews are collectively plotting to destroy them, and many will promptly think of that nice Jewish doctor their mother relies on, or that decent appliance retailer they trust. They’ll immediately discount your claims.

    Look: the lawyer father of a Jewish friend of mine once got a rather serious criminal charge against me dismissed; he refused to accept any payment. Now, you can talk about the pernicious effects all those legions of Jewish lawyers have — but you’ll have a harder time arguing that they are individually all bad people.

    Recognize what Jews are — not what simplifies things for you — and you may get somewhere.

  429. @Curle
    @epebble


    I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?
     
    That’s what I keep saying about the cartels and gangsters coming over the borders, and refugees pricing people out of their homes. If it was only men affected no big deal, but it is the women and children I’m worried about.

    How about you transcribe this offense against decency that you are having a moral panic over and save us all the time rather than simply telling us what was said that didn’t bother the crowd but has you peeing your pants? When you are done with that tell us about the witch that lives on the edge of your town. The ghost in your house. The neighbor’s mean dog and all the other things that get you hysterical over the course of a normal week that otherwise doesn’t include South American criminals crossing the border or visions of what Kamala Harris had to do to get Willie Brown’s machine to promote her career.

    Replies: @epebble, @Mike Tre

    Epebble is probably the guy who called in the complaint that got Peanut the rescue squirrel apprehended and euthanized by the state of New York.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • LOL: Curle, deep anonymous
  430. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “Only the semi-massive voter fraud? Way to hedge your bets! “

    That’s a strawman. Never said that.

    “At least you’ve got the confidence of a man who makes declarative statements regarding things he neither comprehends and is unlikely to ever be in a position to comprehend.”

    It’s more like you disagree with my positions, so rather than further the dialogue, you make these sort of outlandish statements. I know more than you care to admit. This is just a defense mechanism on your part.

    “But, I bet Kamala could ask her former pimp/Squeeze/Significant other-adulterer and he could find out.”

    In the same manner we can find out more about Trump’s shadiness through his fixer Michael Cohen, right? So it appears to me that it didn’t matter to you how crass he is or how much he lies so long as they are in your side. Is that what you teach your kids/grandkids?

    “Plus, it will help put the whole Trump rally moral panic into perspective.”

    There’s been a moral reckoning with Trump’s conduct for eight years now. You conveniently ignore this obvious fact.

    “Nobody cares about Puerto Ricans and jokes except people pushing moral panics.”

    Again, another sweeping generalization. This is what you are now resorting to.

    “A number at only 25% satisfied is thought to be a HARD guarantee of defeat for the incumbent. Harris is at 26%.”

    This statistic shows that Americans regardless of political party are dissatisfied with our how politicians are addressing their needs. No surprise.

    “Is this going to be the time the media succeeds herding the electorate away from their focus on important matters using the device of a moral panic? Clearly Corvinas thinks this is the case?”

    You mean when you just referenced Harris’ own tawdry past? So you’re being a hypocrite here when you appear to completely discount a person’s character or their conduct in the week leading up to the election when pulling the voting lever.

    Is this what you teach your kids/grandkids?

    Replies: @Curle

    Is this what you teach your kids/grandkids?

    I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris. Trump’s personal flaws involved sleeping with a porno actress and taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense. That Harris was a kept woman by an corrupt California machine politician who put her in office to be his ally from whence she rose to the level of Vice President under an administration more corrupt than any in recent history especially and particularly when compared to the Trump Administration. And that in her position in that Administration, she and the President, a man known for taking bribes from foreign governments, used the apparatus of the government to attack their opponents with fake investigations and prosecutions. And further, Harris and her superior presided over one of the if not the greatest failure to perform prescribed duties in US history manifest by their failure to protect the US border. And that, despite all of this corruption and failure to perform, there were people in the general public so benighted as to seek to hand wave these collapses of character by Harris and Biden away in favor criticizing Trump for once hiring an unfunny stand up comedian.

    That’s what I’d tell them. You?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris”

    A good start.

    “taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense”

    And now you’re outright lying.

    “That Harris was a kept woman by an corrupt California machine politician”

    OK.

    “under an administration more corrupt than any in recent history especially and particularly when compared to the Trump Administration.”

    So, YOUR version of the truth here. The rest of what you say to your kids/grandkids falls under that category.

    “these collapses of character by Harris and Biden away in favor criticizing Trump for once hiring an unfunny stand up comedian”

    It’s decidedly more than just that on his part. But I get it, you’ve got to cover got him.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Alden
    @Curle

    Kept woman? What are you an 18th or 19th century lady authoress? There’s a YouTube movie of one of those weepy best sellers. It’s Back Street you’d like it. The fallen woman tale ends tragically for her.

    And please tell me why sex with a porn actress is more sinful than sex with a woman who works at a respectable occupation

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Curle

    , @John Johnson
    @Curle

    I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris. Trump’s personal flaws involved sleeping with a porno actress and taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense.

    He gave out millions in unreported perks for executives.

    You would describe that as a common deduction?

    Are you going to give your grandkids a slideshow on all the accusations and crimes that Trump may or may not have committed? Will they be able to sit that long?

    Replies: @Curle

  431. @Anonymous
    @Curle

    You don't know what betting markets are? What Bayesian means (or how it relates to betting)? How to use Google?

    Replies: @Curle

    Here’s professional gambler Robert Barnes and his pollster Richard Baris on a show I watch called “What Are the Odds” if that answers your question. The show typically starts around the two minute mark. I think Barnes starts talking at around minute 14 but watch the whole thing for context.

  432. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “Forgive me for being more concerned about the cost of living not to mention South American gangsters and Haitian refugees coming into the country illegally and driving Americans out of their homes. “

    More fear tactics in your part. Yes, there are stories of those cases. But you make it allege that all or most act that way. They don’t.

    “Plus I do wonder how parents will answer the question from their daughters, “was the President Willie Brown’s mistress and did she really get to be Alameda County Prosecutor simply for sleeping with County fixer Brown?” At least the little girls of the country will get a good lesson in getting ahead the Kamala Harris way”

    In the same way you tell your son/grandson to grab women by their genitalia, they really like it, even if they say no.

    And talk about fixers! Trump had an entire cadre of them at his disposal.

    Of course what she did was reprehensible. I acknowledge that.

    But here is the difference. So basically you’re not about teaching morality or instilling a sense of right/wrong or holding people accountable in the moment, especially if a man shows a propensity their adult life to lie and cheat, that it’s OK if they do it because they are on your side politically.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Alden

    Corvinus (our resident TUR hasbara Jew troll):

    Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust” — and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?

    I think it’s safe to say you do not support that basic freedom.

    Prove me wrong.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Pat Kittle

    "Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust”"

    Of course, Feel free to come across as being historically challenged.

    "and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?"

    That is for each country to decide.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle

  433. @Curle
    @Corvinus

    Nobody cares about Puerto Ricans and jokes except people pushing moral panics. Now go crawl back into your cave. Here’s Gallup’s final poll:

    Satisfaction With the Direction of the U.S. Before the 2024 Election

    In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?
    % Satisfied
    Table with 5 columns and 4 rows.
    U.S. adults Republicans Independents Democrats
    % % % %
    U.S. direction
    Satisfied 26 5 25 47
    Dissatisfied 72 95 74 49
    No opinion 2 0 2 4
    Oct. 14-27, 2024

    A number at only 25% satisfied is thought to be a HARD guarantee of defeat for the incumbent. Harris is at 26%.

    Is this going to be the time the media succeeds herding the electorate away from their focus on important matters using the device of a moral panic? Clearly Corvinas thinks this is the case.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Nobody cares about Puerto Ricans and jokes except people pushing moral panics. Now go crawl back into your cave. Here’s Gallup’s final poll:

    Satisfaction With the Direction of the U.S. Before the 2024 Election

    In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?

    So you are saying that general dissatisfaction with the country means that no one is actually offended by the joke? You are able to read the minds of undecided Hispanic voters? Do you think that Christian conservatives were offended by the pulling out joke?

    Do you think the Trump campaign will have that comedian in another rally?

    The recent Iowa poll shows a huge gap with women:
    https://www.newsweek.com/what-shocking-new-iowa-poll-means-kamala-harris-chances-nate-silver-1979244

    It shows that Trump has actually lost women over the last few months. Trump has a record low rating with White women for a GOP presidential candidate.

    But you still believe I should not be questioning the decisions of the Trump campaign, correct? Even though they clearly regret having a lounge act make crass jokes in a city that will vote for Harris?

    Do you think it is wise strategy to campaign in a locked blue state when polls are showing a tight race with the expectation that the presidency will be decided by swing states?

  434. So you are saying that general dissatisfaction with the country means that no one is actually offended by the joke?

    158,481,688 people voted in the 2029 election. Assuming the same number of people will vote in 2024 how many who might otherwise vote for Trump have said that because John Johnson doesn’t like a certain comedians joke they aren’t going to vote for Trump or not at all? Zero from what I can tell. Pretty much the same result I expect from any other question premised on things John Johnson doesn’t like.

  435. @epebble
    @Curle

    Telling an overtly sexual joke in a presidential campaign that will be transmitted to millions of women (and men with sensibilities too) was a poor choice. Worse than the 'Garbage' joke about Puerto Rico. I would have happily laughed at the joke in a comedy club or late-night television. But with girls and grandmothers around?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/politics/video/megyn-kelly-donald-trump-madison-square-garden-reaction-ctm-digvid

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4zDDVKmoKE

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Curle, @Alden

    LOL. The grandmothers of 2024 were the hippy weed smoking LSD and cocaine using promiscuous hippy girls of the late 1960s and 1970s. LOL 🧛🏼

  436. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Is this what you teach your kids/grandkids?
     
    I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris. Trump’s personal flaws involved sleeping with a porno actress and taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense. That Harris was a kept woman by an corrupt California machine politician who put her in office to be his ally from whence she rose to the level of Vice President under an administration more corrupt than any in recent history especially and particularly when compared to the Trump Administration. And that in her position in that Administration, she and the President, a man known for taking bribes from foreign governments, used the apparatus of the government to attack their opponents with fake investigations and prosecutions. And further, Harris and her superior presided over one of the if not the greatest failure to perform prescribed duties in US history manifest by their failure to protect the US border. And that, despite all of this corruption and failure to perform, there were people in the general public so benighted as to seek to hand wave these collapses of character by Harris and Biden away in favor criticizing Trump for once hiring an unfunny stand up comedian.

    That’s what I’d tell them. You?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden, @John Johnson

    “I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris”

    A good start.

    “taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense”

    And now you’re outright lying.

    “That Harris was a kept woman by an corrupt California machine politician”

    OK.

    “under an administration more corrupt than any in recent history especially and particularly when compared to the Trump Administration.”

    So, YOUR version of the truth here. The rest of what you say to your kids/grandkids falls under that category.

    “these collapses of character by Harris and Biden away in favor criticizing Trump for once hiring an unfunny stand up comedian”

    It’s decidedly more than just that on his part. But I get it, you’ve got to cover got him.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense”

    And now you’re outright lying.
     
    Not at all. Case of first impression in a matter that should have addressed in an administrative proceeding if at all. It is your very common practice to pretend to competence in matters outside your grasp, remember your innumerable misconceptions about the state of post elected office record storage? I know you are really bad about pretending to knowledge you don’t possess, the term for it is dilettante, but you should try and avoid it. It is an unpleasant trait. Trump made the mistake of doing business in a corrupt state where they were willing to torture the law to get a desired result. It’s why the non-crackpot public doesn’t hold it against him despite the ‘media’s’ drumbeat of bias.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Corvinus

  437. @James B. Shearer
    @epebble

    "I am not at all in any kind of panic. It is just a vulgar joke for me. I am doing a pre-mortem."

    If Trump loses the key mistake was agreeing to an early debate with Biden.

    Replies: @epebble

    If she wins, she needs to send whoever arranged that debate a gift basket. Also, one of her surrogates should try to send gift baskets to the majority opinion authors of Dobbs case (if it is legal!). More importantly, she should cut out any criticism of the court and that judgement. Even someone as politically untalented as her should at least be grateful to those who made her success possible.

  438. @epebble
    @Corvinus

    That is not the issue. What will a significant number of Haley Republicans and (Dick & Liz) Cheney Republicans and (George) Conway Republicans do? That may decide the margins. Haley got 4.4 million votes in the primaries. If at least 10% of them remain hesitant and go to Harris, that may be the losing margin for Trump. How unlikely is that? Not much, I think.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    There are no George Conway Republicans or Cheney Republicans.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Art Deco

    I think it is the Liz Cheney class voters who seem to be making the difference in this poll:

    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/

    Replies: @Art Deco

  439. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Is this what you teach your kids/grandkids?
     
    I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris. Trump’s personal flaws involved sleeping with a porno actress and taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense. That Harris was a kept woman by an corrupt California machine politician who put her in office to be his ally from whence she rose to the level of Vice President under an administration more corrupt than any in recent history especially and particularly when compared to the Trump Administration. And that in her position in that Administration, she and the President, a man known for taking bribes from foreign governments, used the apparatus of the government to attack their opponents with fake investigations and prosecutions. And further, Harris and her superior presided over one of the if not the greatest failure to perform prescribed duties in US history manifest by their failure to protect the US border. And that, despite all of this corruption and failure to perform, there were people in the general public so benighted as to seek to hand wave these collapses of character by Harris and Biden away in favor criticizing Trump for once hiring an unfunny stand up comedian.

    That’s what I’d tell them. You?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden, @John Johnson

    Kept woman? What are you an 18th or 19th century lady authoress? There’s a YouTube movie of one of those weepy best sellers. It’s Back Street you’d like it. The fallen woman tale ends tragically for her.

    And please tell me why sex with a porn actress is more sinful than sex with a woman who works at a respectable occupation

    • Agree: epebble
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alden

    And please tell me why sex with a porn actress is more sinful than sex with a woman who works at a respectable occupation

    I don't think the porn star aspect makes it worse on a moral level. It just shows that he has poor judgement.

    But doing it while married and setting up an illegal payment scheme to pay her off definitely makes it worse.

    It actually would have been less risk to pay her with a bag of cash in an alley. Involving his lawyer added not only a witness but a trusted one.

    A mob boss would never do something so stupid with a pay off.

    Replies: @epebble, @Abe Humbles

    , @Curle
    @Alden

    Read the post from Corvinus I was replying to.

  440. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris”

    A good start.

    “taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense”

    And now you’re outright lying.

    “That Harris was a kept woman by an corrupt California machine politician”

    OK.

    “under an administration more corrupt than any in recent history especially and particularly when compared to the Trump Administration.”

    So, YOUR version of the truth here. The rest of what you say to your kids/grandkids falls under that category.

    “these collapses of character by Harris and Biden away in favor criticizing Trump for once hiring an unfunny stand up comedian”

    It’s decidedly more than just that on his part. But I get it, you’ve got to cover got him.

    Replies: @Curle

    taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense”

    And now you’re outright lying.

    Not at all. Case of first impression in a matter that should have addressed in an administrative proceeding if at all. It is your very common practice to pretend to competence in matters outside your grasp, remember your innumerable misconceptions about the state of post elected office record storage? I know you are really bad about pretending to knowledge you don’t possess, the term for it is dilettante, but you should try and avoid it. It is an unpleasant trait. Trump made the mistake of doing business in a corrupt state where they were willing to torture the law to get a desired result. It’s why the non-crackpot public doesn’t hold it against him despite the ‘media’s’ drumbeat of bias.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    @Curle

    Corvinus thinks it's fine that people get imprisoned for questioning his version of WWII.

    Rub that in his face.

    Seriously, that's all he deserves.

    , @Corvinus
    @Curle

    "Case of first impression in a matter that should have addressed in an administrative proceeding if at all."

    To the contrary, Trump's actions warranted the investigation. His former lawyer Michael Cohen was well known for fixing such matters.

    "It is your very common practice to pretend to competence in matters outside your grasp"

    Once again, you refuse to give me credit for understanding the law clearly and concisely. Hence your repeated mischaracterization. That is what you have to resort to when the cognitive dissonance on your part is clouding your judgment.

    "Trump made the mistake of doing business in a corrupt state where they were willing to torture the law to get a desired result"

    A sweeping generalization. That seems to be another go-to on your part.

    Replies: @Curle

  441. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense”

    And now you’re outright lying.
     
    Not at all. Case of first impression in a matter that should have addressed in an administrative proceeding if at all. It is your very common practice to pretend to competence in matters outside your grasp, remember your innumerable misconceptions about the state of post elected office record storage? I know you are really bad about pretending to knowledge you don’t possess, the term for it is dilettante, but you should try and avoid it. It is an unpleasant trait. Trump made the mistake of doing business in a corrupt state where they were willing to torture the law to get a desired result. It’s why the non-crackpot public doesn’t hold it against him despite the ‘media’s’ drumbeat of bias.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Corvinus

    Corvinus thinks it’s fine that people get imprisoned for questioning his version of WWII.

    Rub that in his face.

    Seriously, that’s all he deserves.

  442. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “Forgive me for being more concerned about the cost of living not to mention South American gangsters and Haitian refugees coming into the country illegally and driving Americans out of their homes. “

    More fear tactics in your part. Yes, there are stories of those cases. But you make it allege that all or most act that way. They don’t.

    “Plus I do wonder how parents will answer the question from their daughters, “was the President Willie Brown’s mistress and did she really get to be Alameda County Prosecutor simply for sleeping with County fixer Brown?” At least the little girls of the country will get a good lesson in getting ahead the Kamala Harris way”

    In the same way you tell your son/grandson to grab women by their genitalia, they really like it, even if they say no.

    And talk about fixers! Trump had an entire cadre of them at his disposal.

    Of course what she did was reprehensible. I acknowledge that.

    But here is the difference. So basically you’re not about teaching morality or instilling a sense of right/wrong or holding people accountable in the moment, especially if a man shows a propensity their adult life to lie and cheat, that it’s OK if they do it because they are on your side politically.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Alden

    Your hasty googling of Harris legal career gave you the wrong information

    Harris was never the Alameda County prosecutor or the correct term THE district attorney. She did spend one year 1990 right after law school as an entry level 1st year apprentice assistant district attorney in Alameda County

    She became THE district attorney of the city and county of San Francisco the district attorney is an elected position. Everyone else is an assistant district attorney
    She was elected 2004.

    You didn’t even get the County of which she was THE district attorney correct.

    Pontificate about what you know. Not the results of a google search.

    • LOL: Corvinus
  443. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense”

    And now you’re outright lying.
     
    Not at all. Case of first impression in a matter that should have addressed in an administrative proceeding if at all. It is your very common practice to pretend to competence in matters outside your grasp, remember your innumerable misconceptions about the state of post elected office record storage? I know you are really bad about pretending to knowledge you don’t possess, the term for it is dilettante, but you should try and avoid it. It is an unpleasant trait. Trump made the mistake of doing business in a corrupt state where they were willing to torture the law to get a desired result. It’s why the non-crackpot public doesn’t hold it against him despite the ‘media’s’ drumbeat of bias.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Corvinus

    “Case of first impression in a matter that should have addressed in an administrative proceeding if at all.”

    To the contrary, Trump’s actions warranted the investigation. His former lawyer Michael Cohen was well known for fixing such matters.

    “It is your very common practice to pretend to competence in matters outside your grasp”

    Once again, you refuse to give me credit for understanding the law clearly and concisely. Hence your repeated mischaracterization. That is what you have to resort to when the cognitive dissonance on your part is clouding your judgment.

    “Trump made the mistake of doing business in a corrupt state where they were willing to torture the law to get a desired result”

    A sweeping generalization. That seems to be another go-to on your part.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Once again, you refuse to give me credit for understanding the law clearly and concisely.
     
    The above is precisely the reason that lawyers are licensed. To protect the public from whacko delusionals like you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  444. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Is this what you teach your kids/grandkids?
     
    I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris. Trump’s personal flaws involved sleeping with a porno actress and taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense. That Harris was a kept woman by an corrupt California machine politician who put her in office to be his ally from whence she rose to the level of Vice President under an administration more corrupt than any in recent history especially and particularly when compared to the Trump Administration. And that in her position in that Administration, she and the President, a man known for taking bribes from foreign governments, used the apparatus of the government to attack their opponents with fake investigations and prosecutions. And further, Harris and her superior presided over one of the if not the greatest failure to perform prescribed duties in US history manifest by their failure to protect the US border. And that, despite all of this corruption and failure to perform, there were people in the general public so benighted as to seek to hand wave these collapses of character by Harris and Biden away in favor criticizing Trump for once hiring an unfunny stand up comedian.

    That’s what I’d tell them. You?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden, @John Johnson

    I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris. Trump’s personal flaws involved sleeping with a porno actress and taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense.

    He gave out millions in unreported perks for executives.

    You would describe that as a common deduction?

    Are you going to give your grandkids a slideshow on all the accusations and crimes that Trump may or may not have committed? Will they be able to sit that long?

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson

    John,

    It would take too long to list all the errors of fact and purposeful misstatements you’ve made in your posts over the time you’ve posted here. It’s what you are known for. Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic. You were corrected twice and shown that the Trump campaign made no such statement of regret. You offered your invention for the purpose of giving a sense of social proof to your own assertion that it was a matter of great import. It likely isn’t and wasn’t.

    Nevertheless, if you want a reply to your characterization of the Trump conviction claims please post a link to a legal specialist overview, as in lawyer targeted as opposed to general public, of the matter and will consider your claim. You may or may not know that some parts of the legal press have been very critical and dismissive of the legitimacy of the New York proceedings. Please no citation to general circulation news outlets as these are not reliable.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @John Johnson

  445. @Alden
    @Curle

    Kept woman? What are you an 18th or 19th century lady authoress? There’s a YouTube movie of one of those weepy best sellers. It’s Back Street you’d like it. The fallen woman tale ends tragically for her.

    And please tell me why sex with a porn actress is more sinful than sex with a woman who works at a respectable occupation

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Curle

    And please tell me why sex with a porn actress is more sinful than sex with a woman who works at a respectable occupation

    I don’t think the porn star aspect makes it worse on a moral level. It just shows that he has poor judgement.

    But doing it while married and setting up an illegal payment scheme to pay her off definitely makes it worse.

    It actually would have been less risk to pay her with a bag of cash in an alley. Involving his lawyer added not only a witness but a trusted one.

    A mob boss would never do something so stupid with a pay off.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @John Johnson

    There is also the case of him found liable for sexual abuse.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db

    It is hard to make a more serious case of immorality out of a consensual relationship compared to sexual abuse.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden

    , @Abe Humbles
    @John Johnson

    What exactly was illegal about the payment scheme to Daniels? Alvin Bragg seems to think it was illegal to claim it as a business expense, but that's the weirdest felony I ever heard of. The actual act of paying her off, however, was not illegal. Given the circumstances, it's what we call "hush money", and what she was doing was "blackmail", which actually is a felony.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  446. @John Johnson
    @Alden

    And please tell me why sex with a porn actress is more sinful than sex with a woman who works at a respectable occupation

    I don't think the porn star aspect makes it worse on a moral level. It just shows that he has poor judgement.

    But doing it while married and setting up an illegal payment scheme to pay her off definitely makes it worse.

    It actually would have been less risk to pay her with a bag of cash in an alley. Involving his lawyer added not only a witness but a trusted one.

    A mob boss would never do something so stupid with a pay off.

    Replies: @epebble, @Abe Humbles

    There is also the case of him found liable for sexual abuse.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db

    It is hard to make a more serious case of immorality out of a consensual relationship compared to sexual abuse.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Only an idiot or a malevolent jack-wagon would have taken Jean Carroll seriously.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Alden
    @epebble

    Here goes once again what really happened .

    Is that link associated press part of the democrat party propaganda machine, the Men of Unz or perhaps the Morons of Unz really really need to stop posting these false totally incorrect lies from the liberal democrat sites. And believing falsehoods and lies you find on the net.

    This will be long.

    Trump was not convicted of rape sex assault harassment or even leering Because Carroll never reported it to the police. Has she done so it would have been investigated by a detective. At length. If, and only if the detective decided there were reasons to charge Trump with SÃ. He would have spoken with an ADA assistant district attorney in the DAs. Office. A DA investigator would have been assigned for further investigation. If there was a viable case charges would have been filed and Trump arrested.

    That’s how it works.

    But Carroll didn’t report the rape to police store security or clerks and never told anyone about it.

    Instead she managed to get the story published in New York Magazine in 2019.

    Her story was plagiarized from a 2010 episode of the tv show Law and Order. In which a woman was raped in a department store dressing room.

    She claimed she was raped while naked in the dressing room trying on underpants women are absolutely not allowed to try on underpants in stores for obvious reasons.

    She claimed the store was Bergdof Goodman. I believe the most expensive store in America. More expensive than Nieman’s and Saks. So far above Nordstroms and Bloomingdale’s they are like Target in relation to Bergdoff’s.

    She claimed in her story that there was no sales staff customers or anyone but herself and Trump in the lingerie department at Bergdoffs. This can’t possibly be true. Many stores like Ross Target only have cashiers now days. But the expensive stores including Bergdoffs still have plenty of sales clerks.

    The Trump defense attorneys had a Bergdoff manager who made a sworn statement and was ready to testify that no Bergdoff department was ever left empty of staff.. if there were no other clerks available a manager would fill in.

    But the democrat progressive judge would not let the Bergdoff manager testify or admit his sworn statement into evidence.

    There was no rape trial of Trump. Because Carroll never reported the incident to the police. Or to Bergdoff’s security or anyone at Bergdoff’s. Or told anyone she could use as a witness to her telling the witness about it.

    Instead she sold her story to New York Magazine that published it in 2019.

    Trump denied the story, pointed out it was plagiarized from an episode of Law and Order. Carroll sued him for defamation. That, not rape was the trial, defamation nor rape.

    Trump was convicted by a NYC jury The progressive democrat judge ordered 487 million in damages to be paid by Trump. The entire sum paid within a very short time. Interest to be charged immediately.

    Thats what happened And you believed and posted an AP lie.

  447. @Thomm
    This is what will happen :

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga35HL3a0AAE-4l?format=png&name=small

    Replies: @Kaiser Wilhelm, @Anonymous, @BB753, @Jon Halpenny, @indocon

    Harris wins in a landslide – Dems win the house and at worst end up with 49 senate seats which will still give them the majority with Lisa Murkowski showing the Republicans the Murk. It’s amazing how smart people on the right side are completely discounting this tsunami of discontent on abortion.

    • Agree: epebble
    • Replies: @Curle
    @indocon

    Some tsunami.







    https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=186731

  448. @Art Deco
    @epebble

    There are no George Conway Republicans or Cheney Republicans.

    Replies: @epebble

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Polls are too kludged and unreliable to tell you much about small population segments.
    ==
    Cheney won a seat in Congress in 2016 by taking a plurality vote in a primary contra three opponents of note. In 2022, her opponent in the Republican primary outpolled her by a factor of 2.3:1. The 29% of the Republican vote she managed to win is inertia, fundraising, and deals-with-local-pols talking. There is no popular constituency among Republican voters for being a willing participant in Democratic Party information ops (and injuring quite ordinary people in the process). It's testament to the tolerance of Wyoming Republicans that she was ever accepted there; she abused that tolerance.

    Replies: @epebble

  449. @Alden
    @Curle

    Kept woman? What are you an 18th or 19th century lady authoress? There’s a YouTube movie of one of those weepy best sellers. It’s Back Street you’d like it. The fallen woman tale ends tragically for her.

    And please tell me why sex with a porn actress is more sinful than sex with a woman who works at a respectable occupation

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Curle

    Read the post from Corvinus I was replying to.

  450. @Corvinus
    @Curle

    "Case of first impression in a matter that should have addressed in an administrative proceeding if at all."

    To the contrary, Trump's actions warranted the investigation. His former lawyer Michael Cohen was well known for fixing such matters.

    "It is your very common practice to pretend to competence in matters outside your grasp"

    Once again, you refuse to give me credit for understanding the law clearly and concisely. Hence your repeated mischaracterization. That is what you have to resort to when the cognitive dissonance on your part is clouding your judgment.

    "Trump made the mistake of doing business in a corrupt state where they were willing to torture the law to get a desired result"

    A sweeping generalization. That seems to be another go-to on your part.

    Replies: @Curle

    Once again, you refuse to give me credit for understanding the law clearly and concisely.

    The above is precisely the reason that lawyers are licensed. To protect the public from whacko delusionals like you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    "The above is precisely the reason that lawyers are licensed. To protect the public from whacko delusionals like you." followed by "You are lying once again. Corvy, face it. You are shaneless in your lying."

    You are demonstrating an expertise in gaslighting and in ad hominem.

    "Here’s my comment scolding you for your unjustified claims that the 2020 election was clean."

    I said there was not the massive fraud as you allege in 2020. The record shows it as I stated in Comment 218, which you routinely ignore those facts. So you still carry this yoke around your neck for four years. Sad.

  451. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    I’d teach them the truth, that Trump had personal flaws and so did Harris. Trump’s personal flaws involved sleeping with a porno actress and taking common deductions on his taxes that the corrupt institutions of the state of New York sought to turn into an hanging offense.

    He gave out millions in unreported perks for executives.

    You would describe that as a common deduction?

    Are you going to give your grandkids a slideshow on all the accusations and crimes that Trump may or may not have committed? Will they be able to sit that long?

    Replies: @Curle

    John,

    It would take too long to list all the errors of fact and purposeful misstatements you’ve made in your posts over the time you’ve posted here. It’s what you are known for. Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic. You were corrected twice and shown that the Trump campaign made no such statement of regret. You offered your invention for the purpose of giving a sense of social proof to your own assertion that it was a matter of great import. It likely isn’t and wasn’t.

    Nevertheless, if you want a reply to your characterization of the Trump conviction claims please post a link to a legal specialist overview, as in lawyer targeted as opposed to general public, of the matter and will consider your claim. You may or may not know that some parts of the legal press have been very critical and dismissive of the legitimacy of the New York proceedings. Please no citation to general circulation news outlets as these are not reliable.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Curle

    "Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic."

    Trump's director of minions, or one of them, hired a guy who then made remarks under his own steam which he in all likelihood thought were en famille to his fellow Latinos, and now Kammy's minions are trying to turn it into a crisis.

    Meanwhile, Kammy herself, a self-proclaimed prosecutor with a law degree, willfully and purposely violated election law and FCC regs by making a personal appearance on SNL, a nationally-broadcast program with a vast reservoir of public reach and taste-making influence, making it effectively a political endorsement by NBC, within seven days of an election in clear, deliberate, and contemptuous violation of the law.

    In terms of security logistics as well as scripting for the show, Kammy's appearance had to have been planned by the producers not later than the previous Wednesday, and probably by that Monday. Which means that Kammy and NBC producers deliberately conspired (viz planned ahead) to violate the law.

    Anybody know if there are actual grounds for a perp-walk here?

    Replies: @Curle

    , @John Johnson
    @Curle

    Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic

    I am not trying to cause a panic. I gave my opinion and you took offense to me criticizing the Trump campaign team even though they clearly regret having him on.

    As with other posters you seem to want the open forum to be a place where you can hear like-minded opinions and not be bothered with contention.

    Well that type of echo chamber is the exact problem with the MSM. There is a lack of critical thinking and political analysis has become an effortless product that is sold to varying groups. Like Trump? Well tune into to Fox to learn about how everything is going great. Like Harris? Well tune into CNN to learn about how everything is going great.

    You were corrected twice and shown that the Trump campaign made no such statement of regret.

    The Trump campaign making a public statement where they distanced themselves from their own guest is a sign of regret. Normal people would agree. Trump further tried to redeem himself by dressing up as a garbage man.

    For some reason you seem to think that the Trump campaign can't make mistakes. Trump has actually lost White women in the last few months which shows they are not beyond criticism. They have the lowest rating with White women in GOP candidate history. Trump should be working to get White women in swing states and not with wrestlers or crass lounge acts in a locked blue state. That would be sound political strategy and for the record you still have not explained how his NYC rally made in sense in the context of the polls.

    You may or may not know that some parts of the legal press have been very critical and dismissive of the legitimacy of the New York proceedings. Please no citation to general circulation news outlets as these are not reliable.

    I've gone over some of his cases with Trump fans. I have actually read the classified documents subpoena and I have no doubt that he committed multiple felonies. I also read some of the legal documents in regard to his loan application. He clearly committed fraud and it was not a case of embellishing the truth. He lied about the number of floors in a building and also the location.

    Were you going to deny that he handed out millions in perks to executives? Or maybe move on after realizing that I don't work in bits and pieces? The Jean Carrol case is one of the weakest and I think it should have been tossed. So drop the assumption that I'm working from short TV news summaries. I actually read about the cases to the frustration of Trump fans that want to believe the critics are all CNN watching liberals. The guy is a felon and a sleezeball. I'm not voting for Harris but I will call it like it is with Trump.

    Replies: @Curle, @Curle

  452. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    John,

    It would take too long to list all the errors of fact and purposeful misstatements you’ve made in your posts over the time you’ve posted here. It’s what you are known for. Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic. You were corrected twice and shown that the Trump campaign made no such statement of regret. You offered your invention for the purpose of giving a sense of social proof to your own assertion that it was a matter of great import. It likely isn’t and wasn’t.

    Nevertheless, if you want a reply to your characterization of the Trump conviction claims please post a link to a legal specialist overview, as in lawyer targeted as opposed to general public, of the matter and will consider your claim. You may or may not know that some parts of the legal press have been very critical and dismissive of the legitimacy of the New York proceedings. Please no citation to general circulation news outlets as these are not reliable.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @John Johnson

    “Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic.”

    Trump’s director of minions, or one of them, hired a guy who then made remarks under his own steam which he in all likelihood thought were en famille to his fellow Latinos, and now Kammy’s minions are trying to turn it into a crisis.

    Meanwhile, Kammy herself, a self-proclaimed prosecutor with a law degree, willfully and purposely violated election law and FCC regs by making a personal appearance on SNL, a nationally-broadcast program with a vast reservoir of public reach and taste-making influence, making it effectively a political endorsement by NBC, within seven days of an election in clear, deliberate, and contemptuous violation of the law.

    In terms of security logistics as well as scripting for the show, Kammy’s appearance had to have been planned by the producers not later than the previous Wednesday, and probably by that Monday. Which means that Kammy and NBC producers deliberately conspired (viz planned ahead) to violate the law.

    Anybody know if there are actual grounds for a perp-walk here?

    • Replies: @Curle
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I don’t but I heard a colleague from her Prosecutor days say she violated campaign finance laws and Willie Brown fixed it for her.

  453. @indocon
    @Thomm

    Harris wins in a landslide - Dems win the house and at worst end up with 49 senate seats which will still give them the majority with Lisa Murkowski showing the Republicans the Murk. It's amazing how smart people on the right side are completely discounting this tsunami of discontent on abortion.

    Replies: @Curle

  454. @epebble
    @John Johnson

    There is also the case of him found liable for sexual abuse.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db

    It is hard to make a more serious case of immorality out of a consensual relationship compared to sexual abuse.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden

    Only an idiot or a malevolent jack-wagon would have taken Jean Carroll seriously.

    • Agree: Curle
    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @Curle
    @Art Deco

    Or just another D troll trying to doom the R base for turnout suppression purposes. That’s what John Johnson’s up to.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  455. @epebble
    @Art Deco

    I think it is the Liz Cheney class voters who seem to be making the difference in this poll:

    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Polls are too kludged and unreliable to tell you much about small population segments.
    ==
    Cheney won a seat in Congress in 2016 by taking a plurality vote in a primary contra three opponents of note. In 2022, her opponent in the Republican primary outpolled her by a factor of 2.3:1. The 29% of the Republican vote she managed to win is inertia, fundraising, and deals-with-local-pols talking. There is no popular constituency among Republican voters for being a willing participant in Democratic Party information ops (and injuring quite ordinary people in the process). It’s testament to the tolerance of Wyoming Republicans that she was ever accepted there; she abused that tolerance.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Art Deco

    Although the sample size is small, Selzer has a track record of accurate forecasting.

    She has given the breakdown for the numbers:


    The poll shows that women — particularly those who are older or who are politically independent — are driving the late shift toward Harris.

    “Age and gender are the two most dynamic factors that are explaining these numbers,” Selzer said.

    Independent voters, who had consistently supported Trump in the leadup to this election, now break for Harris. That’s driven by the strength of independent women, who back Harris by a 28-point margin, while independent men support Trump, but by a smaller margin.

    Similarly, senior voters who are 65 and older favor Harris. But senior women support her by a more than 2-to-1 margin, 63% to 28%, while senior men favor her by just 2 percentage points, 47% to 45%.
     
    Then this:

    Since the overturning of Roe v. Wade in 2022, every pro-abortion rights ballot measure has passed, and every ban by popular referendum has failed, even in more conservative states such as Kentucky

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_ballot_measures#Abortion
     

    Replies: @Art Deco

  456. @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Only an idiot or a malevolent jack-wagon would have taken Jean Carroll seriously.

    Replies: @Curle

    Or just another D troll trying to doom the R base for turnout suppression purposes. That’s what John Johnson’s up to.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    Oh I'm sorry I thought this was an open forum and not Brietbart where everyone high fives and forgets about what happened in the last election.

    I openly did not want Trump as the candidate because he has too many groups that dislike him. It's a data based view and Trump Tribe told me in the last election that I was indoctrinated. Well gosh they sure showed me. He did not break the polls in 2020 and lost White independents as they predicted.

    Independent White women hate him and that has been true since COVID.

    Practically any milquetoast Republican polls much better against Harris.

    Trump's fans tell themselves that we must be Democrats for opposing him.

    Well they told us that last time and to not worry about the polls.

    Worked out great. First we had Biden and now we might get an Affirmative Action dingbat who in the last primary didn't get her own state.

    How dare some of us question the Trump faithful. How dare we not get excited over a former NYC Democrat who fundraised for Hillary and then had a career on a trashy reality TV show.

    https://youtu.be/eAaygWZV3ZU?t=18

    https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/president_camacho.jpg?w=650

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  457. @Curle
    @Art Deco

    Or just another D troll trying to doom the R base for turnout suppression purposes. That’s what John Johnson’s up to.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Oh I’m sorry I thought this was an open forum and not Brietbart where everyone high fives and forgets about what happened in the last election.

    I openly did not want Trump as the candidate because he has too many groups that dislike him. It’s a data based view and Trump Tribe told me in the last election that I was indoctrinated. Well gosh they sure showed me. He did not break the polls in 2020 and lost White independents as they predicted.

    Independent White women hate him and that has been true since COVID.

    Practically any milquetoast Republican polls much better against Harris.

    Trump’s fans tell themselves that we must be Democrats for opposing him.

    Well they told us that last time and to not worry about the polls.

    Worked out great. First we had Biden and now we might get an Affirmative Action dingbat who in the last primary didn’t get her own state.

    How dare some of us question the Trump faithful. How dare we not get excited over a former NYC Democrat who fundraised for Hillary and then had a career on a trashy reality TV show.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "Practically any milquetoast Republican polls much better against Harris."

    It is dubious that they would have a better chance. Even putting aside the fact that Trump would sabotage their campaign.

  458. @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Polls are too kludged and unreliable to tell you much about small population segments.
    ==
    Cheney won a seat in Congress in 2016 by taking a plurality vote in a primary contra three opponents of note. In 2022, her opponent in the Republican primary outpolled her by a factor of 2.3:1. The 29% of the Republican vote she managed to win is inertia, fundraising, and deals-with-local-pols talking. There is no popular constituency among Republican voters for being a willing participant in Democratic Party information ops (and injuring quite ordinary people in the process). It's testament to the tolerance of Wyoming Republicans that she was ever accepted there; she abused that tolerance.

    Replies: @epebble

    Although the sample size is small, Selzer has a track record of accurate forecasting.

    She has given the breakdown for the numbers:

    The poll shows that women — particularly those who are older or who are politically independent — are driving the late shift toward Harris.

    “Age and gender are the two most dynamic factors that are explaining these numbers,” Selzer said.

    Independent voters, who had consistently supported Trump in the leadup to this election, now break for Harris. That’s driven by the strength of independent women, who back Harris by a 28-point margin, while independent men support Trump, but by a smaller margin.

    Similarly, senior voters who are 65 and older favor Harris. But senior women support her by a more than 2-to-1 margin, 63% to 28%, while senior men favor her by just 2 percentage points, 47% to 45%.

    Then this:

    Since the overturning of Roe v. Wade in 2022, every pro-abortion rights ballot measure has passed, and every ban by popular referendum has failed, even in more conservative states such as Kentucky

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_ballot_measures#Abortion

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Selzer has been a figure of fun for a few days. Sorry you missed it.

    Replies: @epebble

  459. @epebble
    @John Johnson

    There is also the case of him found liable for sexual abuse.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db

    It is hard to make a more serious case of immorality out of a consensual relationship compared to sexual abuse.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden

    Here goes once again what really happened .

    Is that link associated press part of the democrat party propaganda machine, the Men of Unz or perhaps the Morons of Unz really really need to stop posting these false totally incorrect lies from the liberal democrat sites. And believing falsehoods and lies you find on the net.

    This will be long.

    Trump was not convicted of rape sex assault harassment or even leering Because Carroll never reported it to the police. Has she done so it would have been investigated by a detective. At length. If, and only if the detective decided there were reasons to charge Trump with SÃ. He would have spoken with an ADA assistant district attorney in the DAs. Office. A DA investigator would have been assigned for further investigation. If there was a viable case charges would have been filed and Trump arrested.

    That’s how it works.

    But Carroll didn’t report the rape to police store security or clerks and never told anyone about it.

    Instead she managed to get the story published in New York Magazine in 2019.

    Her story was plagiarized from a 2010 episode of the tv show Law and Order. In which a woman was raped in a department store dressing room.

    She claimed she was raped while naked in the dressing room trying on underpants women are absolutely not allowed to try on underpants in stores for obvious reasons.

    She claimed the store was Bergdof Goodman. I believe the most expensive store in America. More expensive than Nieman’s and Saks. So far above Nordstroms and Bloomingdale’s they are like Target in relation to Bergdoff’s.

    She claimed in her story that there was no sales staff customers or anyone but herself and Trump in the lingerie department at Bergdoffs. This can’t possibly be true. Many stores like Ross Target only have cashiers now days. But the expensive stores including Bergdoffs still have plenty of sales clerks.

    The Trump defense attorneys had a Bergdoff manager who made a sworn statement and was ready to testify that no Bergdoff department was ever left empty of staff.. if there were no other clerks available a manager would fill in.

    But the democrat progressive judge would not let the Bergdoff manager testify or admit his sworn statement into evidence.

    There was no rape trial of Trump. Because Carroll never reported the incident to the police. Or to Bergdoff’s security or anyone at Bergdoff’s. Or told anyone she could use as a witness to her telling the witness about it.

    Instead she sold her story to New York Magazine that published it in 2019.

    Trump denied the story, pointed out it was plagiarized from an episode of Law and Order. Carroll sued him for defamation. That, not rape was the trial, defamation nor rape.

    Trump was convicted by a NYC jury The progressive democrat judge ordered 487 million in damages to be paid by Trump. The entire sum paid within a very short time. Interest to be charged immediately.

    Thats what happened And you believed and posted an AP lie.

    • Thanks: deep anonymous
  460. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    John,

    It would take too long to list all the errors of fact and purposeful misstatements you’ve made in your posts over the time you’ve posted here. It’s what you are known for. Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic. You were corrected twice and shown that the Trump campaign made no such statement of regret. You offered your invention for the purpose of giving a sense of social proof to your own assertion that it was a matter of great import. It likely isn’t and wasn’t.

    Nevertheless, if you want a reply to your characterization of the Trump conviction claims please post a link to a legal specialist overview, as in lawyer targeted as opposed to general public, of the matter and will consider your claim. You may or may not know that some parts of the legal press have been very critical and dismissive of the legitimacy of the New York proceedings. Please no citation to general circulation news outlets as these are not reliable.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @John Johnson

    Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic

    I am not trying to cause a panic. I gave my opinion and you took offense to me criticizing the Trump campaign team even though they clearly regret having him on.

    As with other posters you seem to want the open forum to be a place where you can hear like-minded opinions and not be bothered with contention.

    Well that type of echo chamber is the exact problem with the MSM. There is a lack of critical thinking and political analysis has become an effortless product that is sold to varying groups. Like Trump? Well tune into to Fox to learn about how everything is going great. Like Harris? Well tune into CNN to learn about how everything is going great.

    You were corrected twice and shown that the Trump campaign made no such statement of regret.

    The Trump campaign making a public statement where they distanced themselves from their own guest is a sign of regret. Normal people would agree. Trump further tried to redeem himself by dressing up as a garbage man.

    For some reason you seem to think that the Trump campaign can’t make mistakes. Trump has actually lost White women in the last few months which shows they are not beyond criticism. They have the lowest rating with White women in GOP candidate history. Trump should be working to get White women in swing states and not with wrestlers or crass lounge acts in a locked blue state. That would be sound political strategy and for the record you still have not explained how his NYC rally made in sense in the context of the polls.

    You may or may not know that some parts of the legal press have been very critical and dismissive of the legitimacy of the New York proceedings. Please no citation to general circulation news outlets as these are not reliable.

    I’ve gone over some of his cases with Trump fans. I have actually read the classified documents subpoena and I have no doubt that he committed multiple felonies. I also read some of the legal documents in regard to his loan application. He clearly committed fraud and it was not a case of embellishing the truth. He lied about the number of floors in a building and also the location.

    Were you going to deny that he handed out millions in perks to executives? Or maybe move on after realizing that I don’t work in bits and pieces? The Jean Carrol case is one of the weakest and I think it should have been tossed. So drop the assumption that I’m working from short TV news summaries. I actually read about the cases to the frustration of Trump fans that want to believe the critics are all CNN watching liberals. The guy is a felon and a sleezeball. I’m not voting for Harris but I will call it like it is with Trump.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson


    I gave my opinion and you took offense to me criticizing the Trump campaign team even though they clearly regret having him on.
     
    You provided an ‘opinion’ as you put it now that incorporated a falsehood that just happened to have been corrected twice previously. And the falsehood just happened to be designed to give social proof to your contention that an insignificant event was sufficiently serious that even the campaign holds your opinion which you now moderate as “they clearly regret . . .” without acknowledging that their response is perfectly in keeping with an ‘don’t feed the loons’ [you being one of the loons] point of view.

    That a campaign fails to acknowledge your take one way or the other is not proof that they agree with you. Sometimes dismissing a loon is just dismissing a loon.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Curle
    @John Johnson


    I’ve gone over some of his cases with Trump fans. I have actually read the classified documents subpoena and I have no doubt that he committed multiple felonies. I also read some of the legal documents in regard to his loan application. He clearly committed fraud and it was not a case of embellishing the truth. He lied about the number of floors in a building and also the location.
     
    You really have trouble with reading comprehension don’t you? I couldn’t give a flying f*ck what your opinion on legal matters might be and I already know how opportunistic your reading habits are. Given your history why would you expect anyone to assume your trustworthiness much less competence? I asked you to produce articles from the legal press. Why do you instead offer me something less than useless, your meanderings on the law? If you can’t because you don’t know how to locate legal journal articles it will simply solidify the obvious that you consider yourself knowledgeable without possessing the abilities that knowledgeable people possess. Forget the request, I’ll find it myself. I was curious whether you could do it, as I’d expect from any serious person commenting on such things and you demonstrated your incapacity.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @John Johnson

  461. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic

    I am not trying to cause a panic. I gave my opinion and you took offense to me criticizing the Trump campaign team even though they clearly regret having him on.

    As with other posters you seem to want the open forum to be a place where you can hear like-minded opinions and not be bothered with contention.

    Well that type of echo chamber is the exact problem with the MSM. There is a lack of critical thinking and political analysis has become an effortless product that is sold to varying groups. Like Trump? Well tune into to Fox to learn about how everything is going great. Like Harris? Well tune into CNN to learn about how everything is going great.

    You were corrected twice and shown that the Trump campaign made no such statement of regret.

    The Trump campaign making a public statement where they distanced themselves from their own guest is a sign of regret. Normal people would agree. Trump further tried to redeem himself by dressing up as a garbage man.

    For some reason you seem to think that the Trump campaign can't make mistakes. Trump has actually lost White women in the last few months which shows they are not beyond criticism. They have the lowest rating with White women in GOP candidate history. Trump should be working to get White women in swing states and not with wrestlers or crass lounge acts in a locked blue state. That would be sound political strategy and for the record you still have not explained how his NYC rally made in sense in the context of the polls.

    You may or may not know that some parts of the legal press have been very critical and dismissive of the legitimacy of the New York proceedings. Please no citation to general circulation news outlets as these are not reliable.

    I've gone over some of his cases with Trump fans. I have actually read the classified documents subpoena and I have no doubt that he committed multiple felonies. I also read some of the legal documents in regard to his loan application. He clearly committed fraud and it was not a case of embellishing the truth. He lied about the number of floors in a building and also the location.

    Were you going to deny that he handed out millions in perks to executives? Or maybe move on after realizing that I don't work in bits and pieces? The Jean Carrol case is one of the weakest and I think it should have been tossed. So drop the assumption that I'm working from short TV news summaries. I actually read about the cases to the frustration of Trump fans that want to believe the critics are all CNN watching liberals. The guy is a felon and a sleezeball. I'm not voting for Harris but I will call it like it is with Trump.

    Replies: @Curle, @Curle

    I gave my opinion and you took offense to me criticizing the Trump campaign team even though they clearly regret having him on.

    You provided an ‘opinion’ as you put it now that incorporated a falsehood that just happened to have been corrected twice previously. And the falsehood just happened to be designed to give social proof to your contention that an insignificant event was sufficiently serious that even the campaign holds your opinion which you now moderate as “they clearly regret . . .” without acknowledging that their response is perfectly in keeping with an ‘don’t feed the loons’ [you being one of the loons] point of view.

    That a campaign fails to acknowledge your take one way or the other is not proof that they agree with you. Sometimes dismissing a loon is just dismissing a loon.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    You provided an ‘opinion’ as you put it now that incorporated a falsehood that just happened to have been corrected twice previously.

    You didn't correct anything. You gave your deluded opinion.

    When a corporation or political campaign puts out a statement like this:

    “This joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign,” senior adviser Danielle Alvarez said in a statement.

    It's an admission that they made a mistake.

    If they didn't think it was a big deal then they would have said nothing.

    That a campaign fails to acknowledge your take one way or the other is not proof that they agree with you. Sometimes dismissing a loon is just dismissing a loon.

    A loon would be someone that thinks it is sound political strategy to insult an entire voting bloc and make jokes about pulling out of a woman in an election where swing states could be decided in the thousands.

    Replies: @Curle

  462. @Curle
    @Corvinus


    Once again, you refuse to give me credit for understanding the law clearly and concisely.
     
    The above is precisely the reason that lawyers are licensed. To protect the public from whacko delusionals like you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The above is precisely the reason that lawyers are licensed. To protect the public from whacko delusionals like you.” followed by “You are lying once again. Corvy, face it. You are shaneless in your lying.”

    You are demonstrating an expertise in gaslighting and in ad hominem.

    “Here’s my comment scolding you for your unjustified claims that the 2020 election was clean.”

    I said there was not the massive fraud as you allege in 2020. The record shows it as I stated in Comment 218, which you routinely ignore those facts. So you still carry this yoke around your neck for four years. Sad.

  463. @Pat Kittle
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus (our resident TUR hasbara Jew troll):

    Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged "Holocaust" -- and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?

    I think it's safe to say you do not support that basic freedom.

    Prove me wrong.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust””

    Of course, Feel free to come across as being historically challenged.

    “and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?”

    That is for each country to decide.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    @Corvinus


    “Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust””

    Of course, Feel free to come across as being historically challenged.

    “and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?”

    That is for each country to decide.
     

    Troll:

    So, if all countries defied their Israel lobbies & legalized free inquiry into the alleged "Holocaust" -- you'd respect that??

    I'll answer that for you:

    No, of course not, you'd HATE that (& would NOT respect it)!

    Replies: @Corvinus

  464. @John Johnson
    @Alden

    And please tell me why sex with a porn actress is more sinful than sex with a woman who works at a respectable occupation

    I don't think the porn star aspect makes it worse on a moral level. It just shows that he has poor judgement.

    But doing it while married and setting up an illegal payment scheme to pay her off definitely makes it worse.

    It actually would have been less risk to pay her with a bag of cash in an alley. Involving his lawyer added not only a witness but a trusted one.

    A mob boss would never do something so stupid with a pay off.

    Replies: @epebble, @Abe Humbles

    What exactly was illegal about the payment scheme to Daniels? Alvin Bragg seems to think it was illegal to claim it as a business expense, but that’s the weirdest felony I ever heard of. The actual act of paying her off, however, was not illegal. Given the circumstances, it’s what we call “hush money”, and what she was doing was “blackmail”, which actually is a felony.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Abe Humbles

    What exactly was illegal about the payment scheme to Daniels? Alvin Bragg seems to think it was illegal to claim it as a business expense, but that’s the weirdest felony I ever heard of. The actual act of paying her off, however, was not illegal.

    The act of the payment was not illegal and the MSM didn't always make that clear.

    As I said he would have been fine if he had given her a bag of cash in an alley.

    The scheme they used to pay her was illegal. It was indeed a fraudulent business expense.

    You can't tell the government your business made a payment for whatever services when it was actually a payment to a porn star.

    The government is giving you a tax break because you are re-investing in the business. You aren't taking it out as profit.

    This was all incredibly stupid because Trump is filthy rich and could have simply paid her off directly. He also created a witness by involving his lawyer. If that wasn't bad enough he wrote about the scheme in an email and told Guliani.

    If he had anonymously given her the money then it would be her word against his. It also isn't a crime to give someone a bag of cash in the hope that they act as you desire.

    Trump has a history of being petty when it comes to payments or taxes. He doesn't like to simply write a check and consider it a loss. He always wants to feel like he "got even" and in this case feel like he at least was able to write it off (fraudulently). Really a silver spoon brat that thinks the rules don't apply to him. He was lying on business loans while he was a billionaire. He views rules as for the little people and enjoys breaking them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden

  465. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    I gave my opinion and you took offense to me criticizing the Trump campaign team even though they clearly regret having him on.
     
    You provided an ‘opinion’ as you put it now that incorporated a falsehood that just happened to have been corrected twice previously. And the falsehood just happened to be designed to give social proof to your contention that an insignificant event was sufficiently serious that even the campaign holds your opinion which you now moderate as “they clearly regret . . .” without acknowledging that their response is perfectly in keeping with an ‘don’t feed the loons’ [you being one of the loons] point of view.

    That a campaign fails to acknowledge your take one way or the other is not proof that they agree with you. Sometimes dismissing a loon is just dismissing a loon.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You provided an ‘opinion’ as you put it now that incorporated a falsehood that just happened to have been corrected twice previously.

    You didn’t correct anything. You gave your deluded opinion.

    When a corporation or political campaign puts out a statement like this:

    “This joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign,” senior adviser Danielle Alvarez said in a statement.

    It’s an admission that they made a mistake.

    If they didn’t think it was a big deal then they would have said nothing.

    That a campaign fails to acknowledge your take one way or the other is not proof that they agree with you. Sometimes dismissing a loon is just dismissing a loon.

    A loon would be someone that thinks it is sound political strategy to insult an entire voting bloc and make jokes about pulling out of a woman in an election where swing states could be decided in the thousands.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson


    When a corporation or political campaign puts out a statement like this:

    “This joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign,” senior adviser Danielle Alvarez said in a statement.

    It’s an admission that they made a mistake.
     

    It’s a clarification under duress to make pests like you go away. It’s not an admission and it doesn’t suggest that they accept your view that hosting an entertainer means endorsing that entertainer. It means the entertainer is thought to be capable of providing ENTERTAINMENT. This really isn’t so hard to understand yet you persist in failing to do so. Is Ron Unz endorsing your comments right now? Of course not.

    Why you fail to understand something this basic can only be explained by your desire to put your thoughts into other people’s mouths. Here’s an admission: “we made a mistake and we regret it.” Reading comprehension can be your friend.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  466. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    Oh I'm sorry I thought this was an open forum and not Brietbart where everyone high fives and forgets about what happened in the last election.

    I openly did not want Trump as the candidate because he has too many groups that dislike him. It's a data based view and Trump Tribe told me in the last election that I was indoctrinated. Well gosh they sure showed me. He did not break the polls in 2020 and lost White independents as they predicted.

    Independent White women hate him and that has been true since COVID.

    Practically any milquetoast Republican polls much better against Harris.

    Trump's fans tell themselves that we must be Democrats for opposing him.

    Well they told us that last time and to not worry about the polls.

    Worked out great. First we had Biden and now we might get an Affirmative Action dingbat who in the last primary didn't get her own state.

    How dare some of us question the Trump faithful. How dare we not get excited over a former NYC Democrat who fundraised for Hillary and then had a career on a trashy reality TV show.

    https://youtu.be/eAaygWZV3ZU?t=18

    https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/president_camacho.jpg?w=650

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “Practically any milquetoast Republican polls much better against Harris.”

    It is dubious that they would have a better chance. Even putting aside the fact that Trump would sabotage their campaign.

  467. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Curle

    "Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic."

    Trump's director of minions, or one of them, hired a guy who then made remarks under his own steam which he in all likelihood thought were en famille to his fellow Latinos, and now Kammy's minions are trying to turn it into a crisis.

    Meanwhile, Kammy herself, a self-proclaimed prosecutor with a law degree, willfully and purposely violated election law and FCC regs by making a personal appearance on SNL, a nationally-broadcast program with a vast reservoir of public reach and taste-making influence, making it effectively a political endorsement by NBC, within seven days of an election in clear, deliberate, and contemptuous violation of the law.

    In terms of security logistics as well as scripting for the show, Kammy's appearance had to have been planned by the producers not later than the previous Wednesday, and probably by that Monday. Which means that Kammy and NBC producers deliberately conspired (viz planned ahead) to violate the law.

    Anybody know if there are actual grounds for a perp-walk here?

    Replies: @Curle

    I don’t but I heard a colleague from her Prosecutor days say she violated campaign finance laws and Willie Brown fixed it for her.

  468. Tomorrow.

    Nov 4, 2024

    http://WWW.SWAMPTHEVOTEUSA.COM

    Together.

    Nov 4, 2024

    • Agree:
    • Thanks: @Ebony Obelisk

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    It’s Time.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY5BPigFKgs
    Nov 17, 2024

    🇺🇸 President-elect Donald Trump arrives at Madison Square Garden alongside Elon Musk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4st9LQZE-MY
    Nov 16, 2024


    President-elect Donald Trump arrives at Madison Square Garden to a massive reception ahead of UFC 309 alongside Elon Musk and Dana White.
     
    • MAGA: @Tiny Duck, @Ebony Obelisk
  469. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    You provided an ‘opinion’ as you put it now that incorporated a falsehood that just happened to have been corrected twice previously.

    You didn't correct anything. You gave your deluded opinion.

    When a corporation or political campaign puts out a statement like this:

    “This joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign,” senior adviser Danielle Alvarez said in a statement.

    It's an admission that they made a mistake.

    If they didn't think it was a big deal then they would have said nothing.

    That a campaign fails to acknowledge your take one way or the other is not proof that they agree with you. Sometimes dismissing a loon is just dismissing a loon.

    A loon would be someone that thinks it is sound political strategy to insult an entire voting bloc and make jokes about pulling out of a woman in an election where swing states could be decided in the thousands.

    Replies: @Curle

    When a corporation or political campaign puts out a statement like this:

    “This joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign,” senior adviser Danielle Alvarez said in a statement.

    It’s an admission that they made a mistake.

    It’s a clarification under duress to make pests like you go away. It’s not an admission and it doesn’t suggest that they accept your view that hosting an entertainer means endorsing that entertainer. It means the entertainer is thought to be capable of providing ENTERTAINMENT. This really isn’t so hard to understand yet you persist in failing to do so. Is Ron Unz endorsing your comments right now? Of course not.

    Why you fail to understand something this basic can only be explained by your desire to put your thoughts into other people’s mouths. Here’s an admission: “we made a mistake and we regret it.” Reading comprehension can be your friend.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    This really isn’t so hard to understand yet you persist in failing to do so. Is Ron Unz endorsing your comments right now? Of course not.

    What does Ron Unz have to do with anything? You are losing it.

    Why you fail to understand something this basic can only be explained by your desire to put your thoughts into other people’s mouths.

    I don't fail to understand anything as I have common sense and am fully aware that this was a bone headed move that the campaign managers obviously regret.

    There was nothing gained from it. Nothing. He didn't pick up some subset of loudmouth assholes that were on the fence until they heard the jokes. The fact that they did this in NYC at the end of a swing state election shows that Trump once again hired the mediocre. The very type that would hire a crass lounge act and not pre-approve his script.

    You're most likely misdirecting your anxiety from the election and this poorly managed campaign.

    Women are projected to hand the election to Harris over abortion. Trump's numbers have been poor with women and independents for years. What did Trump do? He chose a VP that polls poorly with independents and women.

    We will see if the mediocre data-resistant Trump team can push him over the line with MAGA faithful. They were supposed to do that last time and we ended up with Biden. Now the polls are showing that we are going to get a dingbat who couldn't win her own state in the primary. Better hope that enough meathead undecided Andrew Dice clay fans show up to block the dingbat.

    Replies: @Alden

  470. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    Most recently you kept reporting as fact that the Trump campaign regretted hiring the comedian who made comments the Harris campaign, and people like you, are working mightily to make the subject of a panic

    I am not trying to cause a panic. I gave my opinion and you took offense to me criticizing the Trump campaign team even though they clearly regret having him on.

    As with other posters you seem to want the open forum to be a place where you can hear like-minded opinions and not be bothered with contention.

    Well that type of echo chamber is the exact problem with the MSM. There is a lack of critical thinking and political analysis has become an effortless product that is sold to varying groups. Like Trump? Well tune into to Fox to learn about how everything is going great. Like Harris? Well tune into CNN to learn about how everything is going great.

    You were corrected twice and shown that the Trump campaign made no such statement of regret.

    The Trump campaign making a public statement where they distanced themselves from their own guest is a sign of regret. Normal people would agree. Trump further tried to redeem himself by dressing up as a garbage man.

    For some reason you seem to think that the Trump campaign can't make mistakes. Trump has actually lost White women in the last few months which shows they are not beyond criticism. They have the lowest rating with White women in GOP candidate history. Trump should be working to get White women in swing states and not with wrestlers or crass lounge acts in a locked blue state. That would be sound political strategy and for the record you still have not explained how his NYC rally made in sense in the context of the polls.

    You may or may not know that some parts of the legal press have been very critical and dismissive of the legitimacy of the New York proceedings. Please no citation to general circulation news outlets as these are not reliable.

    I've gone over some of his cases with Trump fans. I have actually read the classified documents subpoena and I have no doubt that he committed multiple felonies. I also read some of the legal documents in regard to his loan application. He clearly committed fraud and it was not a case of embellishing the truth. He lied about the number of floors in a building and also the location.

    Were you going to deny that he handed out millions in perks to executives? Or maybe move on after realizing that I don't work in bits and pieces? The Jean Carrol case is one of the weakest and I think it should have been tossed. So drop the assumption that I'm working from short TV news summaries. I actually read about the cases to the frustration of Trump fans that want to believe the critics are all CNN watching liberals. The guy is a felon and a sleezeball. I'm not voting for Harris but I will call it like it is with Trump.

    Replies: @Curle, @Curle

    I’ve gone over some of his cases with Trump fans. I have actually read the classified documents subpoena and I have no doubt that he committed multiple felonies. I also read some of the legal documents in regard to his loan application. He clearly committed fraud and it was not a case of embellishing the truth. He lied about the number of floors in a building and also the location.

    You really have trouble with reading comprehension don’t you? I couldn’t give a flying f*ck what your opinion on legal matters might be and I already know how opportunistic your reading habits are. Given your history why would you expect anyone to assume your trustworthiness much less competence? I asked you to produce articles from the legal press. Why do you instead offer me something less than useless, your meanderings on the law? If you can’t because you don’t know how to locate legal journal articles it will simply solidify the obvious that you consider yourself knowledgeable without possessing the abilities that knowledgeable people possess. Forget the request, I’ll find it myself. I was curious whether you could do it, as I’d expect from any serious person commenting on such things and you demonstrated your incapacity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Curle


    the obvious that you consider yourself knowledgeable without possessing the abilities that knowledgeable people possess.
     
    As has been pointed out many times, John "John" Johnson is arrogant, lazy, and stupid.
    , @John Johnson
    @Curle

    You really have trouble with reading comprehension don’t you? I couldn’t give a flying f*ck what your opinion on legal matters might be and I already know how opportunistic your reading habits are. Given your history why would you expect anyone to assume your trustworthiness much less competence? I asked you to produce articles from the legal press.

    What are you asking for? The subpoena for the classified documents is public record. Can you not use Google?

    You do realize that Trump is on tape admitting that he didn't declassify a document that he took home? And that two employees are willing to testify that he tried to destroy evidence? That's another felony.

    But same question for you: Why not be honest about it at this point? It sounds like he can pardon himself on Federal charges.

    Or are you still assuming that all of these charges are part of a liberal media conspiracy and Trump is a completely innocent businessman who would never engage in unethical behavior? He would never let his ego get him in trouble?

    The National Archives asked Trump to return classified documents and he ignored the request. What is the government supposed to do? Ignore the law?

    Trump is a silver spoon brat that thinks the rules don't apply to him. He actually showed off classified documents to guests. The rules are very clear on classified documents. Ex-presidents don't get some special level of access. Should ex-Federal employees get to ignore the laws? I've worked with sensitive information and somehow managed to follow the laws. I had no desire to take it home and show it to my friends. That is insane.

  471. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    When a corporation or political campaign puts out a statement like this:

    “This joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign,” senior adviser Danielle Alvarez said in a statement.

    It’s an admission that they made a mistake.
     

    It’s a clarification under duress to make pests like you go away. It’s not an admission and it doesn’t suggest that they accept your view that hosting an entertainer means endorsing that entertainer. It means the entertainer is thought to be capable of providing ENTERTAINMENT. This really isn’t so hard to understand yet you persist in failing to do so. Is Ron Unz endorsing your comments right now? Of course not.

    Why you fail to understand something this basic can only be explained by your desire to put your thoughts into other people’s mouths. Here’s an admission: “we made a mistake and we regret it.” Reading comprehension can be your friend.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    This really isn’t so hard to understand yet you persist in failing to do so. Is Ron Unz endorsing your comments right now? Of course not.

    What does Ron Unz have to do with anything? You are losing it.

    Why you fail to understand something this basic can only be explained by your desire to put your thoughts into other people’s mouths.

    I don’t fail to understand anything as I have common sense and am fully aware that this was a bone headed move that the campaign managers obviously regret.

    There was nothing gained from it. Nothing. He didn’t pick up some subset of loudmouth assholes that were on the fence until they heard the jokes. The fact that they did this in NYC at the end of a swing state election shows that Trump once again hired the mediocre. The very type that would hire a crass lounge act and not pre-approve his script.

    You’re most likely misdirecting your anxiety from the election and this poorly managed campaign.

    Women are projected to hand the election to Harris over abortion. Trump’s numbers have been poor with women and independents for years. What did Trump do? He chose a VP that polls poorly with independents and women.

    We will see if the mediocre data-resistant Trump team can push him over the line with MAGA faithful. They were supposed to do that last time and we ended up with Biden. Now the polls are showing that we are going to get a dingbat who couldn’t win her own state in the primary. Better hope that enough meathead undecided Andrew Dice clay fans show up to block the dingbat.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @John Johnson

    5/30 pm November 6 ha ha ha you blathering blowhard.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  472. @epebble
    @Art Deco

    Although the sample size is small, Selzer has a track record of accurate forecasting.

    She has given the breakdown for the numbers:


    The poll shows that women — particularly those who are older or who are politically independent — are driving the late shift toward Harris.

    “Age and gender are the two most dynamic factors that are explaining these numbers,” Selzer said.

    Independent voters, who had consistently supported Trump in the leadup to this election, now break for Harris. That’s driven by the strength of independent women, who back Harris by a 28-point margin, while independent men support Trump, but by a smaller margin.

    Similarly, senior voters who are 65 and older favor Harris. But senior women support her by a more than 2-to-1 margin, 63% to 28%, while senior men favor her by just 2 percentage points, 47% to 45%.
     
    Then this:

    Since the overturning of Roe v. Wade in 2022, every pro-abortion rights ballot measure has passed, and every ban by popular referendum has failed, even in more conservative states such as Kentucky

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_ballot_measures#Abortion
     

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Selzer has been a figure of fun for a few days. Sorry you missed it.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Art Deco

    This is Ralston, another oracle from Nevada predicting

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/editor-jon-ralstons-2024-nevada-election-predictions

    Common theme with Selzer seems to be: "women motivated by abortion and crossover votes that issue also will cause. "

    The general consensus seems to be, older white women will do the miracle. I heard this fun story this morning on radio:

    https://www.npr.org/2024/11/03/nx-s1-5159978/republicans-for-harris-women-voters-secret-votes-quiet-voters-2024-election-trump

    Replies: @Art Deco

  473. @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Selzer has been a figure of fun for a few days. Sorry you missed it.

    Replies: @epebble

    This is Ralston, another oracle from Nevada predicting

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/editor-jon-ralstons-2024-nevada-election-predictions

    Common theme with Selzer seems to be: “women motivated by abortion and crossover votes that issue also will cause.

    The general consensus seems to be, older white women will do the miracle. I heard this fun story this morning on radio:

    https://www.npr.org/2024/11/03/nx-s1-5159978/republicans-for-harris-women-voters-secret-votes-quiet-voters-2024-election-trump

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    It's looking like DJT won Iowa with a 12% plurality, carrying 94 of 99 counties. Dr. Selzer needs to make some adjustments in her models.

    Replies: @epebble

  474. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/us/politics/trump-joe-rogan-endorsement.html
    https://archive.is/DPhQt

    Joe Rogan Endorses Trump, and Trump Calls Him ‘the Biggest There Is’
    Mr. Rogan has hosted Donald J. Trump, JD Vance and Elon Musk for lengthy and friendly interviews in recent weeks.
    Nov. 4, 2024

    Joe Rogan, the enormously popular podcast host who brought Donald J. Trump onto his show for a three-hour episode last month, endorsed the former president in a post on social media on Monday.

    Mr. Rogan, who also spoke at length with Senator JD Vance of Ohio, Mr. Trump’s running mate, and Elon Musk, a prominent Trump surrogate, on recent episodes of his podcast, said Mr. Musk made “what I think is the most compelling case for Trump you’ll hear, and I agree with him every step of the way.”

    “For the record, yes, that’s an endorsement of Trump,” Mr. Rogan, host of “The Joe Rogan Experience,” wrote on Monday evening, without offering details of what Mr. Musk said that convinced him.

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  475. What will happen is whatever it takes to keep Trump out.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
    @Rex Little

    Well, I missed on that one. But I'm not ruling out a drone strike at the inauguration.

  476. Harris’ Grim Early Vote Numbers: “It’s Very Hard For Me To See How She’s Going To Win Pennsylvania.”

    Nov 5, 2024

    [MORE]

    Trump Team’s “Confidence Has Been Extremely High … More Confident Than They Were in 16 and 20”

    Nov 5, 2024

    Harris Team Confident They’ll Win Because They Think Independents Are Moving Their Way

    Nov 5, 2024

    • Replies: @epebble
    @MEH 0910

    I think, by the end of the day, grandmothers will save Harris. Just see, in recent days:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/how-women-are-driving-the-vote-in-was-bellwether-clallam-county/

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/02/politics/older-women-voters-kamala-harris-abortion-rights/index.html

    https://grandmothersforreproductiverights.org/

    No one thought of wrinkly old women as an interest group, till now. Maybe they are getting nightmares of back-alley coat hangers and waking up in terror!

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  477. @MEH 0910
    Harris' Grim Early Vote Numbers: "It's Very Hard For Me To See How She's Going To Win Pennsylvania."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlp5SCrtFsE
    Nov 5, 2024


    Trump Team's "Confidence Has Been Extremely High ... More Confident Than They Were in 16 and 20"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCBuSyqghh0
    Nov 5, 2024

    Harris Team Confident They'll Win Because They Think Independents Are Moving Their Way
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UHhJrQoCBY
    Nov 5, 2024

    Replies: @epebble

    I think, by the end of the day, grandmothers will save Harris. Just see, in recent days:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/how-women-are-driving-the-vote-in-was-bellwether-clallam-county/

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/02/politics/older-women-voters-kamala-harris-abortion-rights/index.html

    https://grandmothersforreproductiverights.org/

    No one thought of wrinkly old women as an interest group, till now. Maybe they are getting nightmares of back-alley coat hangers and waking up in terror!

    • Disagree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @epebble


    I think, by the end of the day, grandmothers will save Harris.
     
    Trump won and Harris lost. The bro campaign beat the ho campaign.

    Replies: @epebble, @epebble

  478. @Abe Humbles
    @John Johnson

    What exactly was illegal about the payment scheme to Daniels? Alvin Bragg seems to think it was illegal to claim it as a business expense, but that's the weirdest felony I ever heard of. The actual act of paying her off, however, was not illegal. Given the circumstances, it's what we call "hush money", and what she was doing was "blackmail", which actually is a felony.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    What exactly was illegal about the payment scheme to Daniels? Alvin Bragg seems to think it was illegal to claim it as a business expense, but that’s the weirdest felony I ever heard of. The actual act of paying her off, however, was not illegal.

    The act of the payment was not illegal and the MSM didn’t always make that clear.

    As I said he would have been fine if he had given her a bag of cash in an alley.

    The scheme they used to pay her was illegal. It was indeed a fraudulent business expense.

    You can’t tell the government your business made a payment for whatever services when it was actually a payment to a porn star.

    The government is giving you a tax break because you are re-investing in the business. You aren’t taking it out as profit.

    This was all incredibly stupid because Trump is filthy rich and could have simply paid her off directly. He also created a witness by involving his lawyer. If that wasn’t bad enough he wrote about the scheme in an email and told Guliani.

    If he had anonymously given her the money then it would be her word against his. It also isn’t a crime to give someone a bag of cash in the hope that they act as you desire.

    Trump has a history of being petty when it comes to payments or taxes. He doesn’t like to simply write a check and consider it a loss. He always wants to feel like he “got even” and in this case feel like he at least was able to write it off (fraudulently). Really a silver spoon brat that thinks the rules don’t apply to him. He was lying on business loans while he was a billionaire. He views rules as for the little people and enjoys breaking them.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    The scheme they used to pay her was illegal. It was indeed a fraudulent business expense.
    ==
    A company lawyer sent 11 invoices to the accounting department. In selecting a label for the charge with the software, company accountants selected the option 'legal expenses'. He was paid with 23 vouchers redeemable by a Trump family trust. Ergo, 34 counts.
    ==
    NB, even if it had been a 'fraudulent expense', "Falsifying business records" is a misdemeanor under New York law and prosecution is time-barred after 24 months. So, the Javerts in the New York County District Attorney's office attempted to argue that he falsified business expenses in order to cover up some felony, without specifying the felony. Judge Merchan in his charge to the jury told them to use one of three options if they wanted to dream up a supposed felony to justify a guilty verdict.
    ==
    You do leave the impression that you're the sort of person who falls for Nigerian e-mail scams.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Alden
    @John Johnson

    Actually it’s possible to claim just about anything as a business expense or tax deduction and get away with it. That’s how rich people stay rich.

    Business owners their accountants and lawyers are experts at claiming anything and everything is a business expense or tax deduction.

    Employees like you are unfamiliar with what business owners can do. So stop babbling about things of which you know absolutely nothing.

  479. @Steve Sailer
    @Precious

    Good to see the Administration doing some things to straighten up Puerto Rico's governmental crookedness.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Corvinus

    Well, no, the Yarvin’s and the Hannania’s are not marginal today, as evident by their influence on Peter Theil and Elon Musk, who poured quite a few dollars toward Trump. Didn’t you even write a review of Hannania’s book?

    I gets why you run interference here. My vague impression is that you are not the bit religious, and your positions get exposed when the counter narrative is rooted in doctrines of the Good Book. So you tend to steer clear about your NOTICINGS of Christianity.

  480. @epebble
    @Art Deco

    This is Ralston, another oracle from Nevada predicting

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/editor-jon-ralstons-2024-nevada-election-predictions

    Common theme with Selzer seems to be: "women motivated by abortion and crossover votes that issue also will cause. "

    The general consensus seems to be, older white women will do the miracle. I heard this fun story this morning on radio:

    https://www.npr.org/2024/11/03/nx-s1-5159978/republicans-for-harris-women-voters-secret-votes-quiet-voters-2024-election-trump

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It’s looking like DJT won Iowa with a 12% plurality, carrying 94 of 99 counties. Dr. Selzer needs to make some adjustments in her models.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Art Deco

    Looks like a lot of prognosticators are off the mark and have to share the burrow with Punxsutawney Phil till the next election. DJT did a masterful assembly of coalition beyond any pollster's expectation. One thing I observed is, for the last few cycles, there was intense number crunching on Excel analyzing all shades of White, Black, Asian, Hispanic etc. race/ethnic quilt weaving. Trump seems to have smashed that somewhat and built a new MAGA party (on the ruins of old Republican party that he euthanized in 2016) in the old-world tradition of class. MAGA seems to be tilting towards the 'have-nots' while the Democratic party is becoming more 'haves' - A reversal from the 20th century party division.

  481. @John Johnson
    @Abe Humbles

    What exactly was illegal about the payment scheme to Daniels? Alvin Bragg seems to think it was illegal to claim it as a business expense, but that’s the weirdest felony I ever heard of. The actual act of paying her off, however, was not illegal.

    The act of the payment was not illegal and the MSM didn't always make that clear.

    As I said he would have been fine if he had given her a bag of cash in an alley.

    The scheme they used to pay her was illegal. It was indeed a fraudulent business expense.

    You can't tell the government your business made a payment for whatever services when it was actually a payment to a porn star.

    The government is giving you a tax break because you are re-investing in the business. You aren't taking it out as profit.

    This was all incredibly stupid because Trump is filthy rich and could have simply paid her off directly. He also created a witness by involving his lawyer. If that wasn't bad enough he wrote about the scheme in an email and told Guliani.

    If he had anonymously given her the money then it would be her word against his. It also isn't a crime to give someone a bag of cash in the hope that they act as you desire.

    Trump has a history of being petty when it comes to payments or taxes. He doesn't like to simply write a check and consider it a loss. He always wants to feel like he "got even" and in this case feel like he at least was able to write it off (fraudulently). Really a silver spoon brat that thinks the rules don't apply to him. He was lying on business loans while he was a billionaire. He views rules as for the little people and enjoys breaking them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden

    The scheme they used to pay her was illegal. It was indeed a fraudulent business expense.
    ==
    A company lawyer sent 11 invoices to the accounting department. In selecting a label for the charge with the software, company accountants selected the option ‘legal expenses’. He was paid with 23 vouchers redeemable by a Trump family trust. Ergo, 34 counts.
    ==
    NB, even if it had been a ‘fraudulent expense’, “Falsifying business records” is a misdemeanor under New York law and prosecution is time-barred after 24 months. So, the Javerts in the New York County District Attorney’s office attempted to argue that he falsified business expenses in order to cover up some felony, without specifying the felony. Judge Merchan in his charge to the jury told them to use one of three options if they wanted to dream up a supposed felony to justify a guilty verdict.
    ==
    You do leave the impression that you’re the sort of person who falls for Nigerian e-mail scams.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    It is legal to scheme with your lawyer to create fake business charges and direct the money to someone?

    You do realize his lawyer pleaded guilty and spent time in prison? And that he completely explained the scheme and provided evidence of the fraudulent charges?

    It's fine to suggest that the penalty was harsh but what he did was not legal.

    You can't claim a business expense that was actually a pay-off. That is just as illegal as a kickback.

    Why do you have such a hard time admitting to yourself that the guy breaks the rules? He won ........ so do you just prefer to remain deluded? There is nothing wrong with picking the felon over the dingbat. I really don't see the point in running dishonest defenses of Trump at this point. He can't run again so why not be honest?

    He schemed with his lawyer to create an illegal payoff for a porn star that he banged while married.

    That is the guy who won. An old fashioned pay off with a bag of cash would have been legal if he withdrew it from his billions. He should have ran the plan by a mobster and not his lousy lawyer.

    Replies: @Alden, @Art Deco

  482. @epebble
    @MEH 0910

    I think, by the end of the day, grandmothers will save Harris. Just see, in recent days:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/how-women-are-driving-the-vote-in-was-bellwether-clallam-county/

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/02/politics/older-women-voters-kamala-harris-abortion-rights/index.html

    https://grandmothersforreproductiverights.org/

    No one thought of wrinkly old women as an interest group, till now. Maybe they are getting nightmares of back-alley coat hangers and waking up in terror!

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    I think, by the end of the day, grandmothers will save Harris.

    Trump won and Harris lost. The bro campaign beat the ho campaign.

    • Agree: epebble
    • Replies: @epebble
    @MEH 0910

    Looks like the GRR were all pussycats and not tigresses they wanted to be. But they did get seven ballot initiatives in states out of ten. They failed in Florida, due to strenuous labor by DeSantis.

    So, they are not really scarecrows. They may continue to haunt the conservatives and draw blood in mid-terms.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-abortion.html

    , @epebble
    @MEH 0910

    Just checked and found Trump broke the Clallam County Bellwether status.

    United States President/Vice President (*Multi-county race. Results include only Clallam County.)
    Candidate Vote Vote %

    Kamala D. Harris / Tim Walz
    Democratic Party Nominees
    21,233 53.13%

    Donald J. Trump / JD Vance
    Republican Party Nominees
    17,695 44.28%

    That too by a sizeable margin.
    https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20241105/clallam/

    Replies: @Curle

  483. Repeal the 22nd Amendment!

    1) Restore democracy, let the people vote for their choice for president
    2) Allow for the possibility to continue to MAGA for more than four years
    3) Prevent Trump from being a lame duck from day one
    4) Make the left’s/media’s heads explode

  484. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    I’ve gone over some of his cases with Trump fans. I have actually read the classified documents subpoena and I have no doubt that he committed multiple felonies. I also read some of the legal documents in regard to his loan application. He clearly committed fraud and it was not a case of embellishing the truth. He lied about the number of floors in a building and also the location.
     
    You really have trouble with reading comprehension don’t you? I couldn’t give a flying f*ck what your opinion on legal matters might be and I already know how opportunistic your reading habits are. Given your history why would you expect anyone to assume your trustworthiness much less competence? I asked you to produce articles from the legal press. Why do you instead offer me something less than useless, your meanderings on the law? If you can’t because you don’t know how to locate legal journal articles it will simply solidify the obvious that you consider yourself knowledgeable without possessing the abilities that knowledgeable people possess. Forget the request, I’ll find it myself. I was curious whether you could do it, as I’d expect from any serious person commenting on such things and you demonstrated your incapacity.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @John Johnson

    the obvious that you consider yourself knowledgeable without possessing the abilities that knowledgeable people possess.

    As has been pointed out many times, John “John” Johnson is arrogant, lazy, and stupid.

  485. Well, I was wrong. The Dems didn’t cheat hard enough this time or couldn’t cheat enough to beat Trump. Time for me to eat crow. Anyway, I don’t give a hoot. Except that I relish to see liberals cry. Corvinus must be devastated, as we speak.

    • Agree: deep anonymous
  486. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    This really isn’t so hard to understand yet you persist in failing to do so. Is Ron Unz endorsing your comments right now? Of course not.

    What does Ron Unz have to do with anything? You are losing it.

    Why you fail to understand something this basic can only be explained by your desire to put your thoughts into other people’s mouths.

    I don't fail to understand anything as I have common sense and am fully aware that this was a bone headed move that the campaign managers obviously regret.

    There was nothing gained from it. Nothing. He didn't pick up some subset of loudmouth assholes that were on the fence until they heard the jokes. The fact that they did this in NYC at the end of a swing state election shows that Trump once again hired the mediocre. The very type that would hire a crass lounge act and not pre-approve his script.

    You're most likely misdirecting your anxiety from the election and this poorly managed campaign.

    Women are projected to hand the election to Harris over abortion. Trump's numbers have been poor with women and independents for years. What did Trump do? He chose a VP that polls poorly with independents and women.

    We will see if the mediocre data-resistant Trump team can push him over the line with MAGA faithful. They were supposed to do that last time and we ended up with Biden. Now the polls are showing that we are going to get a dingbat who couldn't win her own state in the primary. Better hope that enough meathead undecided Andrew Dice clay fans show up to block the dingbat.

    Replies: @Alden

    5/30 pm November 6 ha ha ha you blathering blowhard.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alden

    5/30 pm November 6 ha ha ha you blathering blowhard.

    I fully acknowledged that either side could win. I don't like either of them. Here is what I said:
    Better hope that enough meathead undecided Andrew Dice clay fans show up to block the dingbat.

    Well it looks like the meatheads showed up. Congrats.

    I already gave Trump a chance.

    "We're going to have a beautiful wall"

    "China will be investigated"

    "COVID will go away"


    https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/delrio_haitian_migrants_border_091921getty.jpg?w=1280

    Haitians strolling across the Texas border.

    Yes Texas. They used to come by raft to Florida and now they head over the border from South America.

    And why not? There are plenty of holes and Wakanda island ain't working out so well.

    If you want to get excited about a former Democrat and NYC billionaire then go ahead. Get yo red hat mania on before he disappoints again.

    Replies: @Manfred Arcane, @Alden

  487. @John Johnson
    @Abe Humbles

    What exactly was illegal about the payment scheme to Daniels? Alvin Bragg seems to think it was illegal to claim it as a business expense, but that’s the weirdest felony I ever heard of. The actual act of paying her off, however, was not illegal.

    The act of the payment was not illegal and the MSM didn't always make that clear.

    As I said he would have been fine if he had given her a bag of cash in an alley.

    The scheme they used to pay her was illegal. It was indeed a fraudulent business expense.

    You can't tell the government your business made a payment for whatever services when it was actually a payment to a porn star.

    The government is giving you a tax break because you are re-investing in the business. You aren't taking it out as profit.

    This was all incredibly stupid because Trump is filthy rich and could have simply paid her off directly. He also created a witness by involving his lawyer. If that wasn't bad enough he wrote about the scheme in an email and told Guliani.

    If he had anonymously given her the money then it would be her word against his. It also isn't a crime to give someone a bag of cash in the hope that they act as you desire.

    Trump has a history of being petty when it comes to payments or taxes. He doesn't like to simply write a check and consider it a loss. He always wants to feel like he "got even" and in this case feel like he at least was able to write it off (fraudulently). Really a silver spoon brat that thinks the rules don't apply to him. He was lying on business loans while he was a billionaire. He views rules as for the little people and enjoys breaking them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden

    Actually it’s possible to claim just about anything as a business expense or tax deduction and get away with it. That’s how rich people stay rich.

    Business owners their accountants and lawyers are experts at claiming anything and everything is a business expense or tax deduction.

    Employees like you are unfamiliar with what business owners can do. So stop babbling about things of which you know absolutely nothing.

  488. @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    The scheme they used to pay her was illegal. It was indeed a fraudulent business expense.
    ==
    A company lawyer sent 11 invoices to the accounting department. In selecting a label for the charge with the software, company accountants selected the option 'legal expenses'. He was paid with 23 vouchers redeemable by a Trump family trust. Ergo, 34 counts.
    ==
    NB, even if it had been a 'fraudulent expense', "Falsifying business records" is a misdemeanor under New York law and prosecution is time-barred after 24 months. So, the Javerts in the New York County District Attorney's office attempted to argue that he falsified business expenses in order to cover up some felony, without specifying the felony. Judge Merchan in his charge to the jury told them to use one of three options if they wanted to dream up a supposed felony to justify a guilty verdict.
    ==
    You do leave the impression that you're the sort of person who falls for Nigerian e-mail scams.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It is legal to scheme with your lawyer to create fake business charges and direct the money to someone?

    You do realize his lawyer pleaded guilty and spent time in prison? And that he completely explained the scheme and provided evidence of the fraudulent charges?

    It’s fine to suggest that the penalty was harsh but what he did was not legal.

    You can’t claim a business expense that was actually a pay-off. That is just as illegal as a kickback.

    Why do you have such a hard time admitting to yourself that the guy breaks the rules? He won …….. so do you just prefer to remain deluded? There is nothing wrong with picking the felon over the dingbat. I really don’t see the point in running dishonest defenses of Trump at this point. He can’t run again so why not be honest?

    He schemed with his lawyer to create an illegal payoff for a porn star that he banged while married.

    That is the guy who won. An old fashioned pay off with a bag of cash would have been legal if he withdrew it from his billions. He should have ran the plan by a mobster and not his lousy lawyer.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @John Johnson

    Yes it is completely legal to scheme with your lawyers to create fake business charges to direct money to who never you want. Like your kid’s school and college tuition or anything.

    , @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    It is legal to scheme with your lawyer to create fake business charges and direct the money to someone?
    ==
    Do you really fancy that DJT instructed his bookkeepers how to record the charges in the company journal?
    ==
    The charges were not faked. Cohen was a company lawyer. He was not compensated out of company funds, but with vouchers to submit to Trump's private trusts. This is not that difficult. Even if they had been faked, prosecution was time-barred.

  489. @Art Deco
    @epebble

    It's looking like DJT won Iowa with a 12% plurality, carrying 94 of 99 counties. Dr. Selzer needs to make some adjustments in her models.

    Replies: @epebble

    Looks like a lot of prognosticators are off the mark and have to share the burrow with Punxsutawney Phil till the next election. DJT did a masterful assembly of coalition beyond any pollster’s expectation. One thing I observed is, for the last few cycles, there was intense number crunching on Excel analyzing all shades of White, Black, Asian, Hispanic etc. race/ethnic quilt weaving. Trump seems to have smashed that somewhat and built a new MAGA party (on the ruins of old Republican party that he euthanized in 2016) in the old-world tradition of class. MAGA seems to be tilting towards the ‘have-nots’ while the Democratic party is becoming more ‘haves’ – A reversal from the 20th century party division.

  490. @MEH 0910
    @epebble


    I think, by the end of the day, grandmothers will save Harris.
     
    Trump won and Harris lost. The bro campaign beat the ho campaign.

    Replies: @epebble, @epebble

    Looks like the GRR were all pussycats and not tigresses they wanted to be. But they did get seven ballot initiatives in states out of ten. They failed in Florida, due to strenuous labor by DeSantis.

    So, they are not really scarecrows. They may continue to haunt the conservatives and draw blood in mid-terms.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-abortion.html

  491. @Curle
    @John Johnson


    I’ve gone over some of his cases with Trump fans. I have actually read the classified documents subpoena and I have no doubt that he committed multiple felonies. I also read some of the legal documents in regard to his loan application. He clearly committed fraud and it was not a case of embellishing the truth. He lied about the number of floors in a building and also the location.
     
    You really have trouble with reading comprehension don’t you? I couldn’t give a flying f*ck what your opinion on legal matters might be and I already know how opportunistic your reading habits are. Given your history why would you expect anyone to assume your trustworthiness much less competence? I asked you to produce articles from the legal press. Why do you instead offer me something less than useless, your meanderings on the law? If you can’t because you don’t know how to locate legal journal articles it will simply solidify the obvious that you consider yourself knowledgeable without possessing the abilities that knowledgeable people possess. Forget the request, I’ll find it myself. I was curious whether you could do it, as I’d expect from any serious person commenting on such things and you demonstrated your incapacity.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @John Johnson

    You really have trouble with reading comprehension don’t you? I couldn’t give a flying f*ck what your opinion on legal matters might be and I already know how opportunistic your reading habits are. Given your history why would you expect anyone to assume your trustworthiness much less competence? I asked you to produce articles from the legal press.

    What are you asking for? The subpoena for the classified documents is public record. Can you not use Google?

    You do realize that Trump is on tape admitting that he didn’t declassify a document that he took home? And that two employees are willing to testify that he tried to destroy evidence? That’s another felony.

    But same question for you: Why not be honest about it at this point? It sounds like he can pardon himself on Federal charges.

    Or are you still assuming that all of these charges are part of a liberal media conspiracy and Trump is a completely innocent businessman who would never engage in unethical behavior? He would never let his ego get him in trouble?

    The National Archives asked Trump to return classified documents and he ignored the request. What is the government supposed to do? Ignore the law?

    Trump is a silver spoon brat that thinks the rules don’t apply to him. He actually showed off classified documents to guests. The rules are very clear on classified documents. Ex-presidents don’t get some special level of access. Should ex-Federal employees get to ignore the laws? I’ve worked with sensitive information and somehow managed to follow the laws. I had no desire to take it home and show it to my friends. That is insane.

  492. @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    It is legal to scheme with your lawyer to create fake business charges and direct the money to someone?

    You do realize his lawyer pleaded guilty and spent time in prison? And that he completely explained the scheme and provided evidence of the fraudulent charges?

    It's fine to suggest that the penalty was harsh but what he did was not legal.

    You can't claim a business expense that was actually a pay-off. That is just as illegal as a kickback.

    Why do you have such a hard time admitting to yourself that the guy breaks the rules? He won ........ so do you just prefer to remain deluded? There is nothing wrong with picking the felon over the dingbat. I really don't see the point in running dishonest defenses of Trump at this point. He can't run again so why not be honest?

    He schemed with his lawyer to create an illegal payoff for a porn star that he banged while married.

    That is the guy who won. An old fashioned pay off with a bag of cash would have been legal if he withdrew it from his billions. He should have ran the plan by a mobster and not his lousy lawyer.

    Replies: @Alden, @Art Deco

    Yes it is completely legal to scheme with your lawyers to create fake business charges to direct money to who never you want. Like your kid’s school and college tuition or anything.

  493. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous


    However, Trump had the enthusiasm and the momentum in 2020 too, but it wasn’t enough.
     
    Trump was trailing Biden by 7.9% in the national polls and he was trailing in all the swing states on this date in 2020.

    https://twitter.com/farzyness/status/1851652506406809735?s=46&t=_KWVuhP3oxRCTCdNl94gBw

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Glad you were right!!

  494. @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    It is legal to scheme with your lawyer to create fake business charges and direct the money to someone?

    You do realize his lawyer pleaded guilty and spent time in prison? And that he completely explained the scheme and provided evidence of the fraudulent charges?

    It's fine to suggest that the penalty was harsh but what he did was not legal.

    You can't claim a business expense that was actually a pay-off. That is just as illegal as a kickback.

    Why do you have such a hard time admitting to yourself that the guy breaks the rules? He won ........ so do you just prefer to remain deluded? There is nothing wrong with picking the felon over the dingbat. I really don't see the point in running dishonest defenses of Trump at this point. He can't run again so why not be honest?

    He schemed with his lawyer to create an illegal payoff for a porn star that he banged while married.

    That is the guy who won. An old fashioned pay off with a bag of cash would have been legal if he withdrew it from his billions. He should have ran the plan by a mobster and not his lousy lawyer.

    Replies: @Alden, @Art Deco

    It is legal to scheme with your lawyer to create fake business charges and direct the money to someone?
    ==
    Do you really fancy that DJT instructed his bookkeepers how to record the charges in the company journal?
    ==
    The charges were not faked. Cohen was a company lawyer. He was not compensated out of company funds, but with vouchers to submit to Trump’s private trusts. This is not that difficult. Even if they had been faked, prosecution was time-barred.

  495. Looks like Peanut the Squirrel turned out to have better propaganda value than Puerto Rican Garbage Island How-Dare-You [FAINTS].

    Hmm, now that I think of it… Puerto Rican Garbage Island…

    Dakota, get me John Carpenter on line two.

    • Replies: @Manfred Arcane
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    And Puerto Rico elected a Republican governor, yet! I guess the garbage joke wasn't the calamity John Johnson assured us it was.

  496. @MEH 0910
    @epebble


    I think, by the end of the day, grandmothers will save Harris.
     
    Trump won and Harris lost. The bro campaign beat the ho campaign.

    Replies: @epebble, @epebble

    Just checked and found Trump broke the Clallam County Bellwether status.

    United States President/Vice President (*Multi-county race. Results include only Clallam County.)
    Candidate Vote Vote %

    Kamala D. Harris / Tim Walz
    Democratic Party Nominees
    21,233 53.13%

    Donald J. Trump / JD Vance
    Republican Party Nominees
    17,695 44.28%

    That too by a sizeable margin.
    https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20241105/clallam/

    • Replies: @Curle
    @epebble

    Clallam County is still dealing with German/English ethnic competition. Not really the target audience for Trump’s message.

    “The racial makeup of the county was 89.12% White, 0.84% Black or African American, 5.12% Native American, 1.13% Asian, 0.16% Pacific Islander, 1.18% from other races, and 2.44% from two or more races. 3.41% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 17.2% were of German, 13.1% English, 9.3% Irish, 8.3% United States or American and 6.0% Norwegian ancestry. 95% spoke English and 3.2% Spanish as their first language.”

  497. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Looks like Peanut the Squirrel turned out to have better propaganda value than Puerto Rican Garbage Island How-Dare-You [FAINTS].

    Hmm, now that I think of it... Puerto Rican Garbage Island...

    Dakota, get me John Carpenter on line two.

    Replies: @Manfred Arcane

    And Puerto Rico elected a Republican governor, yet! I guess the garbage joke wasn’t the calamity John Johnson assured us it was.

  498. @epebble
    @MEH 0910

    Just checked and found Trump broke the Clallam County Bellwether status.

    United States President/Vice President (*Multi-county race. Results include only Clallam County.)
    Candidate Vote Vote %

    Kamala D. Harris / Tim Walz
    Democratic Party Nominees
    21,233 53.13%

    Donald J. Trump / JD Vance
    Republican Party Nominees
    17,695 44.28%

    That too by a sizeable margin.
    https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20241105/clallam/

    Replies: @Curle

    Clallam County is still dealing with German/English ethnic competition. Not really the target audience for Trump’s message.

    “The racial makeup of the county was 89.12% White, 0.84% Black or African American, 5.12% Native American, 1.13% Asian, 0.16% Pacific Islander, 1.18% from other races, and 2.44% from two or more races. 3.41% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 17.2% were of German, 13.1% English, 9.3% Irish, 8.3% United States or American and 6.0% Norwegian ancestry. 95% spoke English and 3.2% Spanish as their first language.”

  499. @Alden
    @John Johnson

    5/30 pm November 6 ha ha ha you blathering blowhard.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    5/30 pm November 6 ha ha ha you blathering blowhard.

    I fully acknowledged that either side could win. I don’t like either of them. Here is what I said:
    Better hope that enough meathead undecided Andrew Dice clay fans show up to block the dingbat.

    Well it looks like the meatheads showed up. Congrats.

    I already gave Trump a chance.

    “We’re going to have a beautiful wall”

    “China will be investigated”

    “COVID will go away”


    Haitians strolling across the Texas border.

    Yes Texas. They used to come by raft to Florida and now they head over the border from South America.

    And why not? There are plenty of holes and Wakanda island ain’t working out so well.

    If you want to get excited about a former Democrat and NYC billionaire then go ahead. Get yo red hat mania on before he disappoints again.

    • Replies: @Manfred Arcane
    @John Johnson

    Hey, John Johnson, did you see how mad the Puerto Ricans were about the Hinchcliffe ""garbage" joke? It was scary; they were so mad that they (gasp) elected a Republican governor.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Alden
    @John Johnson

    Why I like Trump and am absolutely thrilled he won the election.

    Because the same people who hate him and want him dead want me, my family and every White American dead.

    That’s why. As Larry Fink in his October meeting with other oligarchs said, “It doesn’t matter to us whose president”

    And it really doesn’t.

    My only issue is affirmative action and every president since John Kennedy was and always will be in favor of affirmative action discrimination against White Americans, especially White men. March 6 1961 EO 10925 signed by race traitor John Kennedy written by his Jewish handlers

    All this blithering away as if any of our opinions matter is just asinine.

    But a Republican Trump win, even a race traitor Republican win like Nixon Regean and the Bushes really sticks it to the democrat haters of me and my family. I’m a White Nationalist not a conservative a Bible thumper or anything else.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  500. @John Johnson
    @Alden

    5/30 pm November 6 ha ha ha you blathering blowhard.

    I fully acknowledged that either side could win. I don't like either of them. Here is what I said:
    Better hope that enough meathead undecided Andrew Dice clay fans show up to block the dingbat.

    Well it looks like the meatheads showed up. Congrats.

    I already gave Trump a chance.

    "We're going to have a beautiful wall"

    "China will be investigated"

    "COVID will go away"


    https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/delrio_haitian_migrants_border_091921getty.jpg?w=1280

    Haitians strolling across the Texas border.

    Yes Texas. They used to come by raft to Florida and now they head over the border from South America.

    And why not? There are plenty of holes and Wakanda island ain't working out so well.

    If you want to get excited about a former Democrat and NYC billionaire then go ahead. Get yo red hat mania on before he disappoints again.

    Replies: @Manfred Arcane, @Alden

    Hey, John Johnson, did you see how mad the Puerto Ricans were about the Hinchcliffe “”garbage” joke? It was scary; they were so mad that they (gasp) elected a Republican governor.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Manfred Arcane

    Hey, John Johnson, did you see how mad the Puerto Ricans were about the Hinchcliffe “”garbage” joke? It was scary; they were so mad that they (gasp) elected a Republican governor.

    Puerto Ricans voting for a Republican governor isn't evidence of anything. The governor didn't make the comment.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  501. @John Johnson
    @Alden

    5/30 pm November 6 ha ha ha you blathering blowhard.

    I fully acknowledged that either side could win. I don't like either of them. Here is what I said:
    Better hope that enough meathead undecided Andrew Dice clay fans show up to block the dingbat.

    Well it looks like the meatheads showed up. Congrats.

    I already gave Trump a chance.

    "We're going to have a beautiful wall"

    "China will be investigated"

    "COVID will go away"


    https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/delrio_haitian_migrants_border_091921getty.jpg?w=1280

    Haitians strolling across the Texas border.

    Yes Texas. They used to come by raft to Florida and now they head over the border from South America.

    And why not? There are plenty of holes and Wakanda island ain't working out so well.

    If you want to get excited about a former Democrat and NYC billionaire then go ahead. Get yo red hat mania on before he disappoints again.

    Replies: @Manfred Arcane, @Alden

    Why I like Trump and am absolutely thrilled he won the election.

    Because the same people who hate him and want him dead want me, my family and every White American dead.

    That’s why. As Larry Fink in his October meeting with other oligarchs said, “It doesn’t matter to us whose president”

    And it really doesn’t.

    My only issue is affirmative action and every president since John Kennedy was and always will be in favor of affirmative action discrimination against White Americans, especially White men. March 6 1961 EO 10925 signed by race traitor John Kennedy written by his Jewish handlers

    All this blithering away as if any of our opinions matter is just asinine.

    But a Republican Trump win, even a race traitor Republican win like Nixon Regean and the Bushes really sticks it to the democrat haters of me and my family. I’m a White Nationalist not a conservative a Bible thumper or anything else.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alden

    Why I like Trump and am absolutely thrilled he won the election.

    Because the same people who hate him and want him dead want me, my family and every White American dead.

    Trump doesn't want you dead but wouldn't donate 1 cent to your funeral. He'd say that is too much and then buy a $10 coffee......and take two sips before throwing it away.

    You are celebrating someone that is apathetic to the existence of most Whites. He wants their votes and that is all.

    Saying he values Whites more than some affirmative action dingbat from California isn't saying much.

    My only issue is affirmative action and every president since John Kennedy was and always will be in favor of affirmative action discrimination against White Americans, especially White men.

    Well I completely oppose affirmative action. Trump however supports affirmative action to some degree. He is from the conservative school of thought that hiring cannot be completely merit based. It would result in too many White men in high level positions.

    But a Republican Trump win, even a race traitor Republican win like Nixon Regean and the Bushes really sticks it to the democrat haters of me and my family. I’m a White Nationalist not a conservative a Bible thumper or anything else.

    Well I think it's a clown show and a tragedy. Trump would rather replace your family than allow Whites to act collectively. He would support increased immigration if a White worker's party every gained popularity. His allegiance is to the wealthy and the 1% is terrified of Whites one day pulling the plug on unregulated capitalism. Their stock portfolios come well before your family. They would bulldoze your family into the ground to save their precious stock market. Both parties would quickly snap into their monoparty form if Whites started holding open talks on race and capitalism.

  502. All these old men whining about Trump.What are you? 5 year olds disappointed because Santa didn’t give you the right Barbie Doll or Tonka truck ??

  503. @Rex Little
    What will happen is whatever it takes to keep Trump out.

    Replies: @Rex Little

    Well, I missed on that one. But I’m not ruling out a drone strike at the inauguration.

  504. @Manfred Arcane
    @John Johnson

    Hey, John Johnson, did you see how mad the Puerto Ricans were about the Hinchcliffe ""garbage" joke? It was scary; they were so mad that they (gasp) elected a Republican governor.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Hey, John Johnson, did you see how mad the Puerto Ricans were about the Hinchcliffe “”garbage” joke? It was scary; they were so mad that they (gasp) elected a Republican governor.

    Puerto Ricans voting for a Republican governor isn’t evidence of anything. The governor didn’t make the comment.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "Puerto Ricans voting for a Republican governor isn’t evidence of anything. The governor didn’t make the comment."

    Neither did Trump.

    You repeatedly claimed Trump was a terrible candidate and almost any other Republican would have won easily. So why did Trump run ahead of the Republican Senate candidate in many states?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  505. @Alden
    @John Johnson

    Why I like Trump and am absolutely thrilled he won the election.

    Because the same people who hate him and want him dead want me, my family and every White American dead.

    That’s why. As Larry Fink in his October meeting with other oligarchs said, “It doesn’t matter to us whose president”

    And it really doesn’t.

    My only issue is affirmative action and every president since John Kennedy was and always will be in favor of affirmative action discrimination against White Americans, especially White men. March 6 1961 EO 10925 signed by race traitor John Kennedy written by his Jewish handlers

    All this blithering away as if any of our opinions matter is just asinine.

    But a Republican Trump win, even a race traitor Republican win like Nixon Regean and the Bushes really sticks it to the democrat haters of me and my family. I’m a White Nationalist not a conservative a Bible thumper or anything else.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Why I like Trump and am absolutely thrilled he won the election.

    Because the same people who hate him and want him dead want me, my family and every White American dead.

    Trump doesn’t want you dead but wouldn’t donate 1 cent to your funeral. He’d say that is too much and then buy a $10 coffee……and take two sips before throwing it away.

    You are celebrating someone that is apathetic to the existence of most Whites. He wants their votes and that is all.

    Saying he values Whites more than some affirmative action dingbat from California isn’t saying much.

    My only issue is affirmative action and every president since John Kennedy was and always will be in favor of affirmative action discrimination against White Americans, especially White men.

    Well I completely oppose affirmative action. Trump however supports affirmative action to some degree. He is from the conservative school of thought that hiring cannot be completely merit based. It would result in too many White men in high level positions.

    But a Republican Trump win, even a race traitor Republican win like Nixon Regean and the Bushes really sticks it to the democrat haters of me and my family. I’m a White Nationalist not a conservative a Bible thumper or anything else.

    Well I think it’s a clown show and a tragedy. Trump would rather replace your family than allow Whites to act collectively. He would support increased immigration if a White worker’s party every gained popularity. His allegiance is to the wealthy and the 1% is terrified of Whites one day pulling the plug on unregulated capitalism. Their stock portfolios come well before your family. They would bulldoze your family into the ground to save their precious stock market. Both parties would quickly snap into their monoparty form if Whites started holding open talks on race and capitalism.

  506. @John Johnson
    @Manfred Arcane

    Hey, John Johnson, did you see how mad the Puerto Ricans were about the Hinchcliffe “”garbage” joke? It was scary; they were so mad that they (gasp) elected a Republican governor.

    Puerto Ricans voting for a Republican governor isn't evidence of anything. The governor didn't make the comment.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “Puerto Ricans voting for a Republican governor isn’t evidence of anything. The governor didn’t make the comment.”

    Neither did Trump.

    You repeatedly claimed Trump was a terrible candidate and almost any other Republican would have won easily. So why did Trump run ahead of the Republican Senate candidate in many states?

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @James B. Shearer

    So why did Trump run ahead of the Republican Senate candidate in many states?

    US voters consistently poll as hating Congress more than the president.

    I think he was a terrible candidate and he took the swings states within the margin of error.

    An ideal candidate would be polling at least +15 with independents. They were both terrible candidates for that reason.

    Trump was an unneeded risk. Same for Kamala.

    The way to win the presidency is through solid independent support and not through hoping and wishing that you get over the line in the swing states. That same hoping and wishing cost Trump in the last election.

    Both parties went with high risk candidates. One party obviously had to win but either could have won with breathing room through a different candidate.

    Trump, Biden and Kamala have all polled poorly with independents. For both sides this was more like playing Blackjack than working a sound political strategy. They were both hoping to barely break the line with swing states.

  507. @Corvinus
    @Pat Kittle

    "Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust”"

    Of course, Feel free to come across as being historically challenged.

    "and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?"

    That is for each country to decide.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle

    “Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust””

    Of course, Feel free to come across as being historically challenged.

    “and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?”

    That is for each country to decide.

    Troll:

    So, if all countries defied their Israel lobbies & legalized free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust” — you’d respect that??

    I’ll answer that for you:

    No, of course not, you’d HATE that (& would NOT respect it)!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Pat Kittle

    “Troll:”

    Not in the least. This is how liberty works.

    “So, if all countries defied their Israel lobbies”

    But Trump is neck deep in it as well.

    “ & legalized free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust” — you’d respect that??”

    First, it’s not alleged. It happened. Second, we do have free inquiry into it. It just so happens that there are limits to that freedom. Nothing unusual here on the least.

  508. @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "Puerto Ricans voting for a Republican governor isn’t evidence of anything. The governor didn’t make the comment."

    Neither did Trump.

    You repeatedly claimed Trump was a terrible candidate and almost any other Republican would have won easily. So why did Trump run ahead of the Republican Senate candidate in many states?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    So why did Trump run ahead of the Republican Senate candidate in many states?

    US voters consistently poll as hating Congress more than the president.

    I think he was a terrible candidate and he took the swings states within the margin of error.

    An ideal candidate would be polling at least +15 with independents. They were both terrible candidates for that reason.

    Trump was an unneeded risk. Same for Kamala.

    The way to win the presidency is through solid independent support and not through hoping and wishing that you get over the line in the swing states. That same hoping and wishing cost Trump in the last election.

    Both parties went with high risk candidates. One party obviously had to win but either could have won with breathing room through a different candidate.

    Trump, Biden and Kamala have all polled poorly with independents. For both sides this was more like playing Blackjack than working a sound political strategy. They were both hoping to barely break the line with swing states.

  509. “US voters consistently poll as hating Congress more than the president.”

    But in Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania the Democrats were the incumbent Senate party. So this should have helped the Republican challengers. But they all ran behind Trump.

  510. @Pat Kittle
    @Corvinus


    “Do you favor 100% free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust””

    Of course, Feel free to come across as being historically challenged.

    “and oppose those who deny that basic freedom to others?”

    That is for each country to decide.
     

    Troll:

    So, if all countries defied their Israel lobbies & legalized free inquiry into the alleged "Holocaust" -- you'd respect that??

    I'll answer that for you:

    No, of course not, you'd HATE that (& would NOT respect it)!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Troll:”

    Not in the least. This is how liberty works.

    “So, if all countries defied their Israel lobbies”

    But Trump is neck deep in it as well.

    “ & legalized free inquiry into the alleged “Holocaust” — you’d respect that??”

    First, it’s not alleged. It happened. Second, we do have free inquiry into it. It just so happens that there are limits to that freedom. Nothing unusual here on the least.

  511. @MEH 0910
    Tomorrow.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Wy6x3DohI
    Nov 4, 2024

    WWW.SWAMPTHEVOTEUSA.COM
     
    Together.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knkdSsAlDhc
    Nov 4, 2024

    • Agree: @Tiny Duck
    • Thanks: @Ebony Obelisk

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    It’s Time.

    Nov 17, 2024

    🇺🇸 President-elect Donald Trump arrives at Madison Square Garden alongside Elon Musk

    Nov 16, 2024

    President-elect Donald Trump arrives at Madison Square Garden to a massive reception ahead of UFC 309 alongside Elon Musk and Dana White.

    • MAGA: , @Ebony Obelisk

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