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I started writing opinion journalism in 1990 during the Political Correctness era, so I recall vividly that Woke 2020s are much like the PC era of the early 1990s, only more so. Basically, we had the same trends back then for the same reasons, only now they are much more severe and stupid.
That would seem to vindicate those of us who were worried about political correctness over three decades ago, but the Washington Post’s Philip Bump, who is sort of the Wrong Me, argues that because brilliant journalists like Time’s late William Henry III were worried about PC in 1993, that nobody should worry about Wokeness now.
A warning about colleges focusing too much on diversity … from 1993
Analysis by Philip Bump
National columnist
March 4, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. EST“What does it mean to be [woke]?” an essay in Time magazine asked readers. The author offered some qualifications: “one must be pro-feminist, pro-gay rights, pro-minority studies, mistrustful of tradition, scornful of Dead White European Males and deeply skeptical toward the very idea of a ‘masterpiece,’ because it implies that one idea, culture or human being can actually be better than another.”
These are familiar notes for any reader who is tracking the debate over diversity on college campuses. In fact, the entire essay — titled “The Politics of Separation” — trod this now well-worn terrain, from skepticism at demanded consideration of diversity to an anecdote about student newspapers including an essay critical of Martin Luther King Jr. being stolen in opposition to “institutional racism.”
But this was not a recent article. It wasn’t even about what it means to be “woke” but, instead, what it means to be “politically correct.” Because that was the term of art back when this particular collection of now-tired arguments was assembled in 1993.
The first anecdote in the essay by William Henry III centers on the backlash against UCLA’s decision against the creation of a Chicano studies department. Henry scoffs at the limited scale of the protests — only five students engaged in the hunger strike! — and reports that the administration ultimately backed down.
In 2021, there were over 600 students taking classes through the department, now called the UCLA César E. Chávez Department of Chicana/o and Central American Studies. The Hispanic population in the United States grew from about 9 percent of residents in 1993 to 19 percent last year. UCLA, needless to say, survived.
Henry then pivoted into a criticism of the University of California at Berkeley, which “[a]fter a debate admittedly more political than scholarly,” mandated that students study at least three of five ethnic groups, including European, Latino, Black, Asian and Native American. That requirement is still in place; Berkeley is still one of the top universities in the country.
In fairness, Henry didn’t explicitly anticipate that these efforts would doom the respective institutions. He just pointed at the shift in a disparaging manner, over and over. The essay ran in a special issue of Time focused on the evolving demographics of the country and Henry nodded to that theme — albeit not with favorable acceptance.
“With America moving toward an era when there may be no ethnic majority, with whites just another minority, multicultural and p.c. demands are spreading to previously unbesieged institutions,” he wrote. “Ethnic studies have been mandated at such heartland schools as the University of Wisconsin and Texas A&M.”
That Henry was unable to understand why Texas A&M might consider how diversity might evolve certainly does not speak well to his predictive powers.
“[T]he focus of p.c. multiculturalism seems to be shifting from curriculum battles — so many have already been won — to the suppression of ‘hate speech,’” Henry continued, “which is loosely defined as anything that any recognized minority or victim group chooses to find offensive.”
Henry then transitioned into what New York University researcher Eric Knowles and his colleagues dub the “minority collusion” idea — the overwrought theory that non-White groups work together in the suppression of Whites. (Ask non-White residents of Los Angeles in the early 1990s the extent to which they were unified.) “Often such coalitions add up to a majority,” Henry wrote, “but they cling to rights based on minority status.”
The victims of this collusion? White people. Conservative White men, specifically — exactly the group that Knowles’s research found were most convinced that such collusion exists.
“When white male conservatives feel harassed,” Henry wrote, “multiculturalists retort that they are enabling these fellow students to share in the sense of disenfranchisement, enriching their understanding of the world.”
He pressed forward, marveling that there were no repercussions for students who confronted the author of an essay that described homosexuality as “a dirty, sinful lifestyle that doesn’t deserve any special rights.” And so on.
“[T]he movements demand that mainstream white Americans aged 35 and over” — those now 65 and over — “clean out their personal psychic attics of nearly everything they were taught — and still fervently believe — about what made their country great,” Henry wrote. “Like the black and women’s movements before them, the new movements rely heavily on the unwelcome rhetoric of guilt.”
“Many distinguished scholars … see firsthand evidence that the p.c. and multicultural movements are leading to a more general separatism, a fragmentation of the centrist consensus that built America.” — and the slippery slope.
“The greatest intellectual danger of political correctness is its assumption that there are some ideas too dangerous to be heard, some words too hurtful to be allowed, some opinions no one is ever again permitted to hold.”
We can look back over the expanse of the past 30 years and declare that there is no shortage of opinions that people are still permitted to hold.
Huh?
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Henry was a fine writer, gone too soon.
I own a copy of his final book, In Defense of Elitism (1994). Worth the read.
If nothing else, he should be celebrated for this deathless quotation:
“UCLA César E. Chávez Department of Chicana/o and Central American Studies”
And since his name is in the department title look up what good old Cesar had to say about illegal immigration and YES, he did indeed call them “wetbacks”.
It was pretty pathetic; one could make a depressing anti-epic of it all. Think of a political version of Raging Bull.
Yeah, the reasoning and logic of Bump are pretty hard to follow. I can only deduce that his general thesis is that white people are bad and racist because of reasons.
Bump is just writing: "It's Wednesday! Can you even believe that it used to be Tuesday? Back in the olden times of Tuesday, some people couldn't imagine it being Wednesday - or, perhaps they could, but they were those Tuesday sorts of people who couldn't get with the times of Wednesday! You know, there are even Tuesday types still around today, when it is nearly Thursday!"
A few years ago this was distilled on the internet in a series of memes themed "It's the Current Year!" It's a critique of the penchant of people with horn rimmed smart glasses like Bump to retort "It's 2024!" in response to a reasoned argument or request for social normality. You might say something like "Gee, the data on America's children is not good. They're falling behind educationally, emotionally, and socially compared with prior generations and exhibit symptoms of anxiety disorders at younger ages. Perhaps we should revisit the practice of young women prioritizing careers while their children are in their own tender years?" The response will be "It's 2024! [previously, It's 2023; It's 2022; It's 2021; It's 2020; It's 2019; It's 2018; It's 2017; It's 2016; and It's 2015]."
The main offender (who became the face of the meme) was fussy British nebbish John Oliver who used "It's [insert current year]!" often to summarily dismiss arguments and events. (He is one of a trend of foreigners hired by television programmers to insinuate themselves into American politics and to insult and heap humiliation on Americans on a nightly basis). The idea is that controversies are settled by the mere passage of time, that social change occurs without agency, and that one should feel social pressure and embarrassment for not intuiting the up to date zeitgeist.
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So the point of Bump's piece is not to refute the predictions of 1993 or the resultant disasters, but to heap derision on Tuesday for being Tuesday. Aren't you embarrassed that it was once Tuesday?Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar
None of those are ethnic groups. I was going to say only one has its own language, but, no, the “Oaxacalifornians“, among others, would be included despite speaking something else.
In fairness, Henry was about to die at 44, so he’d have other anticipations on his mind. Interestingly, he admitted in his posthumously published book that he had once crossed a room to avoid having to talk to Pat Buchanan. Since Pat is unfailingly polite and friendly, one has to wonder if that was what he feared.
Maybe 2% of Oaxaca’s population prefers to speak an Indian language over Spanish, and this population is elderly.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Remember that most of the world is not as free and prosperous as the United States. If one is concerned about helping the worst off, look beyond our borders. And surely, if so-called diversity is your interest, the rest of the world is far more diverse than just the U.S.
The course would not qualify as a diversity course because it was about the global poor and not about U.S. affirmative action categories. My friend dropped the proposal knowing that students had to rack up diversity courses and that a course about global welfare would not draw enough students. In other words, the diversity obsession is Americocentric.
Elsewhere, a syllabus on American ethnic political thought over time was rejected by the DEI review committee because (in veiled bureaucratic language) it didn't contain material disparaging white populations.Replies: @Richard B, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican
There’s an important distinction, the Obama Pivot. Politocal correctness was about advocacy and recognition of nonwhites (and made some non-destructive progress, eg, increasing representation of Native Americans in TV shows, because it did have something of a point), while post-Obama woke in a nutshell is “straight white men are evil and you should hate them and wish for their death.”
James Kalb is essential reading for anyone wanting to understand the nature of political correctness. Here is an old essay of his from the late '90s where he defines an analyzes it:
PC and the Crisis of Liberalism
And here's a short blog post (not by Kalb) describing the anti-social nature of PC:
Is Political Correctness Merely Niceness?
There is exactly one serious issue, here & now, before we address anything else: censorship by “the blob.”
Steve Sailer, of all people, ought to understand this.
But does he listen to Matt Taibbi? Does he listen to Mike Benz? Does he listen to Russell Brand? Does he listen to Mark Steyn?
Does he listen to anybody who is actually fighting the good fight against deep state censorship?
Maybe it’s my age, but I would rather read an article than listen to a podcast. I can read the transcript in a third to a quarter of the time it takes me to listen to the podcast.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Demographic swamping enables the minoritarian "blob"--that's the reason for it, beyond sheer hatred of flyover whites and their American nation. If you insist on trying to somehow fix "the blob"'s censorship, before stopping the deluge, you'll be living in a South African style dystopia ... and of course still have censorship.Replies: @vinteuil
Be fair. You can still hold permissable opinions.
Those are permitted. And after all, there are indeed lots of permissible opinions.
I have masses of them. One shouldn’t be cruel to pets. It’s wrong to start forest fires. Chaining up your child in the basement and raising him on bread and water is bad…
Scads of permissible opinions. I can still hold all of them. No one objects.
Oh no it’s not. You see, starting a forest fire let’s the media claim that “climate change” is at fault, which means we need to spend trillions more on crackpot energy schemes that line the pockets of the connected and offer very little energy. So it’s a GOOD thing to start forest fires. Many such cases.
Married couple accused of sexually assaulting family dog
During a temp job in North Fort Myers in the '90s, I got the feeling the place was rather downscale, if still very white. Kind of a West Virginia on the Gulf.Replies: @Wade Hampton
As defined by whom?
The nineties was when the former sixties student radicals entered positions of power in higher education, the media and the government. Two of these former student radicals, Bill and Hillary, even moved into the White House.
I remember all that but what I remember even more was the decline of the conservative movement, especially its leading intellectual journal, National Review. It seemed like NR stopped hiring good new writers while starting a process of getting rid of the good ones they already had like Joseph Sobran, Peter Brimelow and John Derbyshire.
I have always wondered what happened to Bill Buckley. His career started off brilliantly but his last years were frittered away writing spy novels, doing organ recitals, yachting and living a lavish lifestyle. He professed in an interview he was bored with reading free market economists like Mises or Friedman and wrote a particularly nasty obituary of the free market economist Murray Rothbard. He spent much time and effort in sucking up to the neocons and the pretty unconservative Bush and Bush Jr.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/04/18/is-the-purge-at-national-review-complete-john-osullivan-may-be-next/Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Pixo
For my part, I do appreciate writers like that. Conservatism is not so much a doctrinaire philosophy as it is a compendium of tales of a far green country.
The universities and agencies are totally incestuous. Bill and Hillary were pegged as CIA before she left Chicago; most "radical thinkers" (Saul Alinsky, eg) were agency. The CIA protects who? Not patriots. From the inception of the Federal Reserve through the creation of ALL the agencies there was no deviation from their billionaire leftwing path to globalism.
This makes for some odd moments. After WWII it was the Soviets who backed nationalist self-rule, usually seen as right-wing populism. And Hillary's "We came, we saw, he died." Huh? Worthy of Pol Pot, not Thomas Jefferson. But from a CIA baby? Normal.Replies: @Art Deco
However, I've read of an anecdote he recounts where that pernicious she-devil Ayn Rand demanded of her followers that they reject Christ and agree that He was the source of all evil. Rothbard, whose wife was Christian, refused. He thereafter parted ways with Rand. So I give him credit for that.
OT — Zionist Jews: “Israel is our final redoubt, we have nowhere else to go.” The chief rabbi of Israel: “If you force Haredim to serve in the army, we’ll all emigrate.”
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-791086
(Many Haredim have voluntarily joined the army following the October 7th attack.)
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/04/F180329MA03-640x400.jpg
Maybe he would like to move back to Iran?
In case you haven't noticed, you can't necessarily take what people say at face value, especially not in the Middle East. This is called "establishing a bargaining position". I won't take a penny less than 1,000 shekels for this rug. Five minutes later: Ok, for you, 300 shekels.
Anyway, what business is this of yours? If there is a mass departure, I will eat my shtreimel .Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright
Whitherto? The poor question is begging, pitifully. For many a folk, that statement sounds like the locusts are coming in a farmer's almanac.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Ok, Pixo may trot in here and say "they produce Jews". But there is a big demographic group--obviously I'm not the go to on such matters--in Israel who are religiously observant, have traditional families with solid 3+ fertility, are economically productive and patriotic, inc. military service. They are the sort of people you want producing your next generation.
In contrast, these Haredim are another parasite minority. Net leeches on the society--do not produce/serve to pull their weight ... and rapidly growing! And like minority privileges given in America ... once given, they are hard to take back. Same story--minorities are not entitled to special privileges and you should not give them any.Replies: @Jack D
Agree, Taibbi should get lauded more on this site. Maybe it’s because Taibbi continues to return to the Regime’s zoonotic causation lies re: covid and their gangster-like exercises seeking to marginalize covid origins truth tellers. Maybe Steve wants to moderate negative attention he gets from TPTB. Or perhaps it has to do with Taibbi’s implicit war skepticism? Taibbi did get an IRS investigation as payment for his exposes after all.
Here’s what happened. The Tribe appears to have come after John O’Sullivan, Buckley caved (what did they have on him?) and the magazine went to pot after O’Sullivan’s demotion. I continued my subscription for a short period longer but the rot caused by this event was beyond obvious. We eventually got tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber, Lowrey and Goldberg.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/04/18/is-the-purge-at-national-review-complete-john-osullivan-may-be-next/
The closeted Buckley was always controlled opposition. A former CIA operative, his entire rise was facilitated by the Deep State commies who sought to create a gatekeeper for the post-WW2 “right” who could decide who was acceptable by the right and who was not, to allow him to win on war mongering, and then for him to lose gracefully on all social issues.
Buckley’s National Review became the flagship of the post-WW2 right while Buckley did the bidding and excluded the Birchers, the red hunters, and militant right wingers while being a D.C. fop. He dutifully shilled for any foreign war. Then he deliberately lost on race realism, segregation, immigration, feminism, The Jewish Question, affirmative action, abortion, birth control, homosexual normalization, non-martial living arrangements, Vatican II acceptance, etc. —and, after each loss, excluding anyone who continued to fight to try to win back the lost ground. Hence how Steve and Derbyshire got exiled from National Review, and how NR tried (post-Buckley, but still carrying on his legacy) to cancel Trump with their loud “Never Trump” stances.
Buckley was of the type that Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro are today — although Buckley was the kingpin of the gatekeeping, while Peterson and Shapiro are lesser lights. Artificial gatekeepers all.
Open your eyes and see the kayfabe, kids.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/04/18/is-the-purge-at-national-review-complete-john-osullivan-may-be-next/Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Pixo
How come?
OT — Frau Katze reminds you of the Pueblo, which is still in Korea.
OT: From the department of poorly chosen NY Times captions:
Caption: At least one million of Haiti’s 11 million people are on the brink of famine, according to the United Nations.
I guess this woman is one of the other 10 million. Who are you going to believe, the UN or your lying eyes?
BTW, Haiti has gone from dysfunctional 3rd world country to total shitstorm. Kind of like Baltimore, but worse. The new 2.5 billion African world is going to be glorious. Haiti showed the way – they kicked out the white colonialists and the result was Wakanda. Just when you think it can’t possibly get even worse, it does.
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OT -- Illegals in a truck in Colorado target and run over white kids on bicycles. Anon claimed:Replies: @tyrone
Although Yosef is the Chief Rabbi, he is Oriental (Iranian).
Maybe he would like to move back to Iran?
In case you haven’t noticed, you can’t necessarily take what people say at face value, especially not in the Middle East. This is called “establishing a bargaining position”. I won’t take a penny less than 1,000 shekels for this rug. Five minutes later: Ok, for you, 300 shekels.
Anyway, what business is this of yours? If there is a mass departure, I will eat my shtreimel .
If I say, 'I'm going to sue you,' that implies a whole different place than if I say, I'm going to have your son killed.'
So if Josef -- however much purely as a negotiating tactic -- says, 'we'll leave Israel', that implies a certain conditional quality to 'Israeli' patriotism.
After all, you haven't moved there yourself. The place is like an RV -- nice to have, but not actually a necessity.
That's one of the most obscene things about it. All the cruelty, and all the injustice, and all the misery, and all the expense -- and it really doesn't need to exist at all.
Sell the RV. You'll be happier -- and so will everyone else.Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad
Mark, if I may, I don’t think Bill Buckley ever was much of an ideologue. His conservatism was more of a class preference, and I doubt he ever had even a notion of having a career as pundit. The fact that he spent his last years living courtier’s life does not surprise me in the least.
For my part, I do appreciate writers like that. Conservatism is not so much a doctrinaire philosophy as it is a compendium of tales of a far green country.
As I predicted, the Democrats while in power are indulging their voodoo fetish. Not sure how looting basic food contradicts fears of famine. Guess it’s just something Jewish about laughing at suffering helpless third-worlders even if they’re not ruled by terrorists.
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OT — Illegals in a truck in Colorado target and run over white kids on bicycles. Anon claimed:
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/04/F180329MA03-640x400.jpg
Maybe he would like to move back to Iran?
In case you haven't noticed, you can't necessarily take what people say at face value, especially not in the Middle East. This is called "establishing a bargaining position". I won't take a penny less than 1,000 shekels for this rug. Five minutes later: Ok, for you, 300 shekels.
Anyway, what business is this of yours? If there is a mass departure, I will eat my shtreimel .Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright
Because it contradicts the “final redoubt” claim.
Meanwhile, Black mass murder and cannibalism continues as Haiti becomes almost as bad as New York City, and informed Americans ponder what the psychological demeanor will be from the next wave of illegal Haitian immigrants soon to be pouring over the borders of Mexico…
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/haitians-shot-dead-in-street-and-there-s-no-one-to-take-the-corpses-away/ar-BB1jBkq4
Shades of Somalia.
Reverb of Liberia.
Ides of Rwanda…
You are very unlikely to hear a Oaxacan speak an Indian language in California.
Maybe 2% of Oaxaca’s population prefers to speak an Indian language over Spanish, and this population is elderly.
You are unlikely to hear them because, not fluent or even capable in either English or Spanish, they won't be traveling in the same circles. Unless you're their coyote-- but in that case, you'd be proficient in Mixtec yourself.Replies: @Pixo
God bless the memory of Enoch Powell, the finest Englishman, and most prescient, of his century.
“ Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen.”
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1766608841645433063Replies: @AnotherDad, @International Jew
Even just the "do math" piece makes him a towering figure compared to any of the bozos running the West. (Ok, I suspect Chuck Schummer can do math as well, but I'm pretty sure he is not interested in preserving my nation and civilization, but determined to destroy them.)
Just the first lines of Powell's speech are just stunningly good. Image the mind grasping and writing this to the pathetic nobodies spewing drivel who lead America, the West:And his wrap--see below--spot on and stunning.
Here's the whole thing. Credit to Enoch Powell:
This is the core of it. And even William Henry here is gliding over it.
This demographic change is not something foreordained. Nor did it “just happen”–natural occurrence like some hurricane.
No, it is something that has been done to America’s white gentiles. People taking away their nation. Demanding that their culture, their norms, their values must be tossed out to make other people–people who did not create and build America–happy. That is at the root of the contention.
And likewise this. Obviously–contra Bump “the coalition of the fringes” exists–the Parasite Party runs on it.
But the key point: Minorities should not have any rights for being a minority. A citizen has some rights for being a citizen. But there is zero moral nor ethical reason being a minority should get you any special consideration. Rather … you’re a minority. Your mission–if you decide to accept it–is to either integrate to the majority’s norms, or learn how to adapt and function peaceable and loyally within a nation defined by the majority’s norms and culture. (And if you don’t decide to accept that mission then leave or fight for independence/autonomy.)
This stupid idea that minorities have some sort of “right” to be catered to is ridiculous and toxic to the functioning of any nation or civilization.
And it is simply killing the America and the West right now.
USS Monitor,
Acting Captain, Lieutn. Catesby AD Roger Jones
Mr. Sailer, First Officer
Eamon Doherty, Apprentice OilerMr. Sailer: "Sir, we have sprung several leaks and the smokestacks are badly damaged. Shall I instruct the helmsman to make for Portsmouth?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "Under no circumstances Mr. Sailer. We must pursue and sink that ship!"Mr. Sailer; "Sir, such a course risks the destruction of our vessel and all aboard"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "I'd consider their lives well spent even were they twice as many!"Mr. Sailer: "Sir, I don't understand? What is the prize that justifies this extravagant expenditure of life?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Good God, man. Don't you see? That is the 'Minoritarianism'! It must be sunk, else we are all sunk!"Mr. Sailer: "Begging your pardon, sir, I'm far from certain that it is. Might I suggest that you have the Doherty lad brought up top? He has the keenest eyesight on board."Lt. AD Roger Jones: "Very well, Mr. Sailer. Send for him."
Eamon Doherty is brought on deck at the Captain's behestLt. AD Roger-Jones: "Well lad, is that or is that not the 'Minoritarianism' ?"Eamon Doherty: "I couldn't rightly say sir as I don't have me letters but there don't seem to enough of them fer that."Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Eamon, my compliments to Mr. Sailer and would he please have my spyglass brought up from the Captain's quarters." Spyglass in case is brought up from cabin and placed in Captain's hands. Lt. AD Roger-Jones uncases spyglass and takes long look at USS Monitor. He replaces spyglass in case stamped "E. Litella, purveyor of fine optics" and proclaims: "Never mind."Exeunt AD and Mr. Sailer limping towards PortsmouthReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Nicholas Stix, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad
Maybe 2% of Oaxaca’s population prefers to speak an Indian language over Spanish, and this population is elderly.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
There are supposed to be about 100,000 speakers of Mixtec just in Los Angeles County. That’s the monolingual ones. But that figure was from the print edition of American Renaissance, so it may be a couple of decades out of date.
You are unlikely to hear them because, not fluent or even capable in either English or Spanish, they won’t be traveling in the same circles. Unless you’re their coyote– but in that case, you’d be proficient in Mixtec yourself.
https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/large/mw89695/Enoch-Powell.jpg
“ Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen.”Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Art Deco, @Anon
Powell was fluent in Urdu. So, courtesy of Google Translate*:
*A European linguist informed me that GT doesn’t work for languages with fewer than fifty million speakers, but Urdu is comfortably above that, even without including Hindi, which is almost the same.
The Red Thirties is when the game was up, and the people who got hired in 1936 found the door being held open for them by the Gilded Age Progressives who made their beds long before. From midcentury on all they had to do was make sure they only hired people who would fit in the red orchestra.
The universities and agencies are totally incestuous. Bill and Hillary were pegged as CIA before she left Chicago; most “radical thinkers” (Saul Alinsky, eg) were agency. The CIA protects who? Not patriots. From the inception of the Federal Reserve through the creation of ALL the agencies there was no deviation from their billionaire leftwing path to globalism.
This makes for some odd moments. After WWII it was the Soviets who backed nationalist self-rule, usually seen as right-wing populism. And Hillary’s “We came, we saw, he died.” Huh? Worthy of Pol Pot, not Thomas Jefferson. But from a CIA baby? Normal.
I didn’t know the man Bump indirectly accuses of thought crime, so I googled “William Henry III”. The results are funny: At the top of the search results page he is correctly identified as an “American literary critic”, but instead of him the photo depicts a young mestiza. So I go over to the Images tab, and the first hits are quotes of his from the azquotes website, but the accompanying photo depicts a man too old to be 44 and too healthy-looking to have a heart attack. The 12th image finally shows someone who looks like he could have been in his 40s, looks unhealthy and is morbidly obese. Now his premature death makes a lot more sense. Bad genes and fat make for a deadly combination.
Still, the search results are weird. Is he being deliberately memoryholed, is it the work of a troll or is it just some random search engine code glitch?
He’s the man who joked that native Americans ought to be called “Siberian-Americans”. (I’m sure I read that at VDare.com some years ago, but search engines are increasingly useless it seems, so I’ve not been able to confirm it).Replies: @res, @Muggles
Everyone should be helping to relocate the Jews to Hawaii. It’s time to end the depraved Zionist campaign in Palestine.
OT – The myth of representative government:
Notice how Vradkar frames it. It isn’t a case of: Oh, the people don’t want this. Well, then we won’t do it then. No, it is: the people didn’t vote the way that we (the government) wanted. We’ll have to try harder to get the outcome we want. Clearly, they will keep putting it to a vote until they get the result they want.
One might also wonder why a half-Indian homosexual is the Prime Minister of Ireland.
When you give up your traditions and your religion, you will soon lose your nation – your home.
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/04/F180329MA03-640x400.jpg
Maybe he would like to move back to Iran?
In case you haven't noticed, you can't necessarily take what people say at face value, especially not in the Middle East. This is called "establishing a bargaining position". I won't take a penny less than 1,000 shekels for this rug. Five minutes later: Ok, for you, 300 shekels.
Anyway, what business is this of yours? If there is a mass departure, I will eat my shtreimel .Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright
We’ve noticed.
My friend at a UC wanted to teach a class on global development, particularly on comparative successes and failures in realizing a broad range of human rights and the much more specific UN millenium development goals.
Remember that most of the world is not as free and prosperous as the United States. If one is concerned about helping the worst off, look beyond our borders. And surely, if so-called diversity is your interest, the rest of the world is far more diverse than just the U.S.
The course would not qualify as a diversity course because it was about the global poor and not about U.S. affirmative action categories. My friend dropped the proposal knowing that students had to rack up diversity courses and that a course about global welfare would not draw enough students. In other words, the diversity obsession is Americocentric.
Elsewhere, a syllabus on American ethnic political thought over time was rejected by the DEI review committee because (in veiled bureaucratic language) it didn’t contain material disparaging white populations.
Just has Stupidity is the shadow of Conformity.
Diversity + Antiwhite Hatred + Conformity + Stupidity = Identity PoliticsBut there is one belief-system that is even worse, because it subsumes them all. Zionsim. Identity Politics is simply Zionism for POCs. Both are inoperable cancers.
It sounds like he was promoting “global development” benefitting the “global poor”. It does not benefit Whites to have the dumb uglies comprising the “global poor” to be breeding, consuming, and ‘migrating’. For most of the global human biomass, no-growth and de-growth (not the political movements—just the literal concepts) is the way to go.
New America: you can use any letter in the alphabet, from A to C.
Philip Bump gets a C- for writing odd thoughts but neglecting to state and advance one or more theses.
I was in PC-prone environments. The 8os were insufferable. The fall of the Soviet Union was glorious. Took a couple of years to sink in, but once it did PC was dead. You could openly scorn and mock PC idiocy and survive socially and professionally. We thought it was dead forever.
But then like the last scene in most horror movies, it stirred again in Obama’s second term and next infected one institution after another.
PC in the 70s and 80s was found in limited social groups and was not official. It’s far worse now for being officially enforced by institutions with universalistic ambitions.
Yeah that phrase caught my eye too. There’s a sort of world-weariness to it. Will the real revolution never arrive, and rid us of these turbulent people?
Properly prepared how is the question not only I would have asked. Computer skills? What if the Big Act is the shutdown and the power fails? Guns and bunkers? What if they want us hiding all over the map and not in touch with each other (if the power failure is big enough to push the future into a different game?)
If the nascent CIA got rid of General George Patton and Admiral James Forrestal -- neither of whose death is considered suspicious by the regime to this day -- then patriots are seriously behind in their thinking,
Samual Francis once said this is something we should expect. Our people, he once opined at his old site, will have to learn more and faster than any group in history. Even near the end, he didn't think it was impossible. We shouldn't either.
“ It’s wrong to start forest fires.”
Oh no it’s not. You see, starting a forest fire let’s the media claim that “climate change” is at fault, which means we need to spend trillions more on crackpot energy schemes that line the pockets of the connected and offer very little energy. So it’s a GOOD thing to start forest fires. Many such cases.
You are unlikely to hear them because, not fluent or even capable in either English or Spanish, they won't be traveling in the same circles. Unless you're their coyote-- but in that case, you'd be proficient in Mixtec yourself.Replies: @Pixo
Mexico’s 2020 census says it has 520,000 Mixtec speakers, so very unlikely LA had 100,000.
The number of Mexicans who only speak an Indian language but not Spanish dropped from 1.1m in 2010 to 865,000 in 2020, showing how rapidly this elderly population is dying off.
There is a suburb of Puebla where the main language is Veneto Italian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipilo_Venetian_dialect
I think people who wasted their time learning these dying languages exaggerate how many people speak them.
Imagine being so based, so truly locked in to the left’s PC/woke BS that they feel compelled to write rebuttals 30 years later. What a legend.
https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/large/mw89695/Enoch-Powell.jpg
“ Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen.”Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Art Deco, @Anon
Trump sounding Enochy today. I think we’d have to go back 50 years to find a prominent American politician using “sack” in the Sack of Rome sense.
Still, the search results are weird. Is he being deliberately memoryholed, is it the work of a troll or is it just some random search engine code glitch?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Poirot
There have been a lot of people named William Henry.
we’ll all emigrate
Whitherto? The poor question is begging, pitifully. For many a folk, that statement sounds like the locusts are coming in a farmer’s almanac.
Túl öreg vagyok ahhoz, hogy megtanuljak magyarul.Replies: @HFR
Tell that to the Whites:
Married couple accused of sexually assaulting family dog
During a temp job in North Fort Myers in the ’90s, I got the feeling the place was rather downscale, if still very white. Kind of a West Virginia on the Gulf.
Dogfighting is a foundational element of black culture.
If you have a strong stomach, search for Michael Vick and dogfighting.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/04/F180329MA03-640x400.jpg
Maybe he would like to move back to Iran?
In case you haven't noticed, you can't necessarily take what people say at face value, especially not in the Middle East. This is called "establishing a bargaining position". I won't take a penny less than 1,000 shekels for this rug. Five minutes later: Ok, for you, 300 shekels.
Anyway, what business is this of yours? If there is a mass departure, I will eat my shtreimel .Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright
At the same time, what people threaten indicates what the parameters are.
If I say, ‘I’m going to sue you,’ that implies a whole different place than if I say, I’m going to have your son killed.’
So if Josef — however much purely as a negotiating tactic — says, ‘we’ll leave Israel’, that implies a certain conditional quality to ‘Israeli’ patriotism.
After all, you haven’t moved there yourself. The place is like an RV — nice to have, but not actually a necessity.
That’s one of the most obscene things about it. All the cruelty, and all the injustice, and all the misery, and all the expense — and it really doesn’t need to exist at all.
Sell the RV. You’ll be happier — and so will everyone else.
Oh, they’ve done things.
https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/large/mw89695/Enoch-Powell.jpg
“ Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen.”Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Art Deco, @Anon
Powell not only understood nation and civilization, but he, apparently, could actually do math.
Even just the “do math” piece makes him a towering figure compared to any of the bozos running the West. (Ok, I suspect Chuck Schummer can do math as well, but I’m pretty sure he is not interested in preserving my nation and civilization, but determined to destroy them.)
Just the first lines of Powell’s speech are just stunningly good. Image the mind grasping and writing this to the pathetic nobodies spewing drivel who lead America, the West:
And his wrap–see below–spot on and stunning.
Here’s the whole thing. Credit to Enoch Powell:
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/04/18/is-the-purge-at-national-review-complete-john-osullivan-may-be-next/Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Pixo
NR had a “purge” of those who wandered past WFB’s various cordons sanitaires every few years for decades while remaining the top right wing magazine the entire time. It even handled the transition to online about as well as any other magazine and stayed relevant for roughly 15 years after the web went mainstream in 1995.
Still, the search results are weird. Is he being deliberately memoryholed, is it the work of a troll or is it just some random search engine code glitch?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Poirot
Here he is at C-SPAN at the age of 38 (in 1988): https://www.c-span.org/video/?2143-1/communication-revolution
He’s the man who joked that native Americans ought to be called “Siberian-Americans”. (I’m sure I read that at VDare.com some years ago, but search engines are increasingly useless it seems, so I’ve not been able to confirm it).
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/social-contract-pressP.S. This is Henry's book, right?
https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Elitism-William-Henry-III/dp/0385479433Replies: @Poirot
It is accurate per the DNA (though some minor controversy about possible Pacific Islander or African arrivals, but no DNA evidence).
While the earliest European explorers thought the Americas were "India" and called the inhabitants "Indians" that was clearly wrong.
So American "Indians" are Siberian Americans just like most Whites are European Americans (plus the MENA Americans). Asian and African Americans are likewise identified by their former ancestral homelands. DNA suggests that Siberians are a mix of Mongols and eastern Europeans.
There is nothing wrong or incorrect about this. Siberian Americans are in much better shape than the actual Siberians, who have been decimated by alcohol and Russian mis-rule.Replies: @Anon
From PlacesNamed.com:
There are female Henrys as well as Williams. Were they named for Wills and Harry?
Welsh is spoken in Argentina, and Gaelic in Nova Scotia. A variety of Spanish survives in Zamboanga in the Philippines.
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
Steadfast Cold War ally. Voted with the US in the UN more than any other real nation (tied with a few micro islands nations)
This is the most Jewish bald-faced line ever published on the internet. He’s inverting all those times Weimærica voted against criticism of Israel. The “few Pacific island nations” are tiny archipelagoes bribed by Israel to also vote likewise. Finkelstein joked that these microstates were threatened by rising sea levels, and so the US was anti-Semitically stripping Israel of its allies. Incidentally, Israel is hardly the only country to bribe island-microstates into voting alongside; the documentary The Cove shows Japan doing the same thing to keep whaling legal. The prompt was, what has Israel done for us, not what have we done for Israel. Israel does not get this sort of credit for voting against UN criticism of Israel.
Steve, let this through, let the others through. Money is coming.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1766608841645433063Replies: @AnotherDad, @International Jew
This is decent, but Trump as usual lacks clarity and sets himself up for the “racism!” attack.
Are the invaders actually horrible people? Some are no doubt. Most of them are just responding to incentives. If I was Guatemalan and learned that the US border had been thrown open, better yet that they would bus or fly you somewhere, provide housing and food and the opportunity to look for a job … “hell yeah!” I might–if I thought very deeply about it–“Yeah, this can’t be good for Americans, really pretty stupid … but their leaders are doing it to them, not me.”
No the “horrible people”, deeply evil people, are the “Biden Administration” people–and yes, they are “centrist” Jews–who have crafted this treasonous, genocidal, anti-American “drown the goyim!” policy.
Trump should make this clear and use appropriate words like–“inviting invasion”, “attacking Americans”, “selling out Americans”, “evil” and especially “treason”.
The banality of evil:
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA18msoO.img
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_nbcnews-fp-1200-630,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2021_17/3453516/210301-alejandro-mayorkas-test-mb-1416.JPG
Yglesias in 2010 usefully coined the term Pundit’s Fallacy:
“ The pundit’s fallacy is that belief that what a politician needs to do to improve his or her political standing is do what the pundit wants substantively.”
This is a very real cognitive bias, and like all the others, one should actively guard against it.
I do feel that it would be good politically for Trump to go even harder against migration, go to the center on economic issues, while reforming the tax code in a eugenic natalist matter. But I also recognize that Trump is a political expert who was elected president, and I was not.Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad
Retry … here’s the banality of evil:
Brigitte Macron is obviously a woman (she has three kids, tough for trannies)--a reasonably attractive one for her age. It's just that she would be a suitable companion for someone Trump's age. (Baking cookies for her grandchildren.) And ridiculously unsuitable for someone Macron's age--who is ergo another one of these childless Western leaders (think Merkle) with no sense of lineage, destroying the West.
Her she is stroking Trump's "shovel".
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/23/23/4B790FD200000578-5649185-image-m-42_1524522840576.jpgReplies: @res, @QCIC
OT — DIE is starting to die in the private sector but is still strong as ever in the public sector.
https://twitter.com/bonchieredstate/status/1766467529151557788
https://i.postimg.cc/4ySbw9FY/1710024734951629.jpgReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @KimSongLee
Honestly, what has Israel ever done for the United States? I can’t think of anything offhand.
https://i.postimg.cc/6pJ9DBq8/1710021936720725.jpg
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
So your practical political advice is to Name The Jew?
Yglesias in 2010 usefully coined the term Pundit’s Fallacy:
“ The pundit’s fallacy is that belief that what a politician needs to do to improve his or her political standing is do what the pundit wants substantively.”
This is a very real cognitive bias, and like all the others, one should actively guard against it.
I do feel that it would be good politically for Trump to go even harder against migration, go to the center on economic issues, while reforming the tax code in a eugenic natalist matter. But I also recognize that Trump is a political expert who was elected president, and I was not.
"Anti-Semitism" is an outdated tribal survival strategy in which the normal Jew shield the Wicked Son and quite stupidly says, "if you want that guy, you'll have to go through me." The Wicked Son would never do the same for you.
My advice is that Trump should be clear that the "horrible people" are the "Biden Administration". People given the charter to lead America but instead working against the interests of working Americans, working to degrade and destroy the future for American's posterity.Agree on all of this. But the key, key, key--did I say "key"?--issue is the critical economic issue is immigration. The "must have immigration!" zealots are destroying "affordable family formation" for Americans. Depressing working and middle class wages, driving up housing costs, making it even more expensive to be in neighborhood with "good schools", forcing higher taxes--as well as degrading quality of life with crowding, traffic, congestion, litter, sprawl, lost open space ...
There is no amount of money that the bigger--more crowded--but poorer America can throw around in welfare that can make up for the direct immigration driven degrading of American life. (The spending track Biden has us on is already unsustainable.) Trump needs to beat on this. The most important thing the government can do for working Americans is stop the deluge--stop trying to drown Americans.
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You can legitimately note the "Pundit's Fallacy" but occasionally some "pundit" is going to be right, or the political messages would never change. This was the case in 2016. Trump's "things aren't right" immigration messaging made him more appealing to Republican primary voters, and that and Hillary! got him elected.
But why Republicans have never been able to turn the corner on immigration--despite people's unhappiness with what has happened--is they haven't made the tie to people's direct economic interests. People sense that their nation is being destroyed, by letting in lots of very different foreigners--which is both true and perfectly legitimate. But after 60+ years of minoritarian glop, being against "immigrants" simply because they are different is "racist"--will be called "racist!" and "Nazi!" and all sorts of other names by the people with the megaphone.
But, of course, there's a good practical, biological reason why people are naturally, viscerally opposed to having foreign "not like us" people come into your patch. Because they are taking space and goodies that rightfully belong to your children, your posterity--and in the process destroying your culture, your people.
Republicans, Trump can make that both explicit and rational and "legitimate" by making the economic case. That the immigration zealots are directly destroying "affordable family formation"--your family, your children's quality of life, and in fact chance to have a life, to have a family, to have children, to be born at all.
The evil people are not the immigrants coming, the evil people are the people allowing and encouraging them to come.
1. Steadfast Cold War ally. Voted with the US in the UN more than any other real nation (tied with a few micro islands nations)
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
Steve, let this through, let the others through. Money is coming.
2023: Christian population of Israel 2%.
I don't have any big problem with Israel. People naturally belong in their own nations--including Jews. And what's obviously needed in the Middle East would be much more separation of peoples--so they aren't in each other's business at all.
But Israel rather than an ally has rather obviously been a giant boat anchor around American foreign/defense policy. Israel--and American Jews requiring slavish devotion to it--continually poisons our relations with the Arab world, and the larger Muslim world. America compensates for the damage Israel does by throwing around even more cash, coddling and bribing leaders--and launching dubious interventions. Israel continually generates "drama" that the US must then try and deal with. This Houthi nonsense a case in point. Yeah, we need to go smash some trouble-making desert riff-raff ... but they wouldn't even be causing trouble but for Israel drama.
But even beyond that, Israel isn't much of an "ally". It doesn't take a "the West"--we're all in this together--approach, but rather aggressively pursues its own interests. Including selling defense tech to our adversaries like China--including our own or derivative technology. The Israelis do not behave like "friends" but "opportunists".
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3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims
AnotherFamily did the standard J-I-E trip a few years back. I think our family consensus was Jordan was the most pleasant part of it--Dead Sea, Petra, Wadhi Rum, Aqaba. (Then we crossed and drove back North to Jerusalem.) If Israel had never happened, the joint would be perfectly fine for tourists as some sort of Arab state.
I'll also say ... I found the whole "Holy Land" thing was boring. (I'm not a Bible beater.) Fundamentally--not my people and not very interesting. I think the gist of it is Europeans got hold of Christianity and built it into something much greater, grander, more interesting than its Semitic origins.Replies: @Jack D
1099-1291: (partially) reclaimed.
1291-1917: Holy Land supinely left in the hands of Islam.
1917-1948: reclaimed -- well, as a mandate.
1948: surrendered again, this time to the Jews -- although that wasn't the plan.
So we've got 959 years it was surrendered to 'Dar al-Islam;' 299 years it was kept at least partially out of its hands.
'Always'?Replies: @Pixo, @Jack D
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
Why don’t you post a map of the Crusader states in 1303?
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
Good try. But the only reason Arabs were ever against us in the Cold War is because we supported Israel in the first place. Using our airplanes and R&D seem more like an example of us helping them. And keeping Bethlehem safe for tchotchke shops . . . meh.
I think our problems go a little farther in time. e.g.
First Barbary War (1801–1805) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
Second Barbary War (1815) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
1947: Christian population of Palestine 7%.
2023: Christian population of Israel 2%.
IMHO, National Review just got too bland and mainstream to be interesting or coherent. Its mission was all about being oh-so respectable and policing the Republican Establishment Line, so that it would always be just one inch to the right of the Dems.
They thought they were leading the parade until they decided to go against Trump, and then they realized they were just marching by themselves. You really knew they were irrelevant when the internet “factcheckers” created by the CIA were using National Review as their “conservative” authority.
Another institution that self-immolated in response to Trump.
I once saw a documentary on how the CIA uses analysts to gauge world opinion Jeezus-the analysts were watching...CNN...and CNBC..and the BBC...and...!
Part of me wanted to say; "Guys and gals WTF are you doin? I know you want a high-paying job but your employers created what you are watching in the first place, someone should cut off the middleman and fire either your part of the system or fire the media part of the system
The system is obviously corrupt as many other things in current Western culture and thus ripe for failure at a critical moment but too many people are simply too invested in itReplies: @Hypnotoad666
NR was quick to clarify that this was not their official editorial line on sodomy, but recall that when John Derbyshire dissented from NR's official line on race in 2012 (and this in an article that wasn't even for NR), he was summarily dismissed.
So in other words, if you write common sense suggestions for how to deal with blacks, that's beyond the pale, but if you write that sodomitical relationships deserve to be treated equally to marriages, that's just open, vigorous debate.
But hey, I'm sure they've held the line against increased capital gains taxes!Replies: @Art Deco
the only reason Arabs were ever against us
I think our problems go a little farther in time. e.g.
First Barbary War (1801–1805) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
Second Barbary War (1815) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
I kind of remember the PC era and it was pretty rigid, mind you nowhere as insane as now but it was pretty bad- it wasn’t about the recognition of non-whites They were saying that straight white men are evil back then too but back then the demographic changes were just startin’ so the PCers just didn’t have the numbers to make changes stick
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
They even make money! They sell our military technology on to China.
Also black nationalism was taking a bit of a rest in the nineties since they were exhausted from the constant drug use and violent combat between themselves in the sixties and seventies
https://www.israelunwired.com/mass-sexual-assault-of-girls-in-streets-of-egyptian-city/
This demographic change is not something foreordained. Nor did it "just happen"--natural occurrence like some hurricane.
No, it is something that has been done to America's white gentiles. People taking away their nation. Demanding that their culture, their norms, their values must be tossed out to make other people--people who did not create and build America--happy. That is at the root of the contention.And likewise this. Obviously--contra Bump "the coalition of the fringes" exists--the Parasite Party runs on it.
But the key point: Minorities should not have any rights for being a minority. A citizen has some rights for being a citizen. But there is zero moral nor ethical reason being a minority should get you any special consideration. Rather ... you're a minority. Your mission--if you decide to accept it--is to either integrate to the majority's norms, or learn how to adapt and function peaceable and loyally within a nation defined by the majority's norms and culture. (And if you don't decide to accept that mission then leave or fight for independence/autonomy.)
This stupid idea that minorities have some sort of "right" to be catered to is ridiculous and toxic to the functioning of any nation or civilization.
And it is simply killing the America and the West right now.Replies: @kaganovitch
In honor of the 162nd anniversary of the Battle of Hampton Roads, a short skit…
Dramatis personae
CSS Virginia,
USS Monitor,
Acting Captain, Lieutn. Catesby AD Roger Jones
Mr. Sailer, First Officer
Eamon Doherty, Apprentice Oiler
Mr. Sailer: “Sir, we have sprung several leaks and the smokestacks are badly damaged. Shall I instruct the helmsman to make for Portsmouth?”
Lt. AD Roger-Jones: “Under no circumstances Mr. Sailer. We must pursue and sink that ship!”
Mr. Sailer; “Sir, such a course risks the destruction of our vessel and all aboard”
Lt. AD Roger-Jones: “I’d consider their lives well spent even were they twice as many!”
Mr. Sailer: “Sir, I don’t understand? What is the prize that justifies this extravagant expenditure of life?”
Lt. AD Roger-Jones: ” Good God, man. Don’t you see? That is the ‘Minoritarianism’! It must be sunk, else we are all sunk!”
Mr. Sailer: “Begging your pardon, sir, I’m far from certain that it is. Might I suggest that you have the Doherty lad brought up top? He has the keenest eyesight on board.”
Lt. AD Roger Jones: “Very well, Mr. Sailer. Send for him.”
Eamon Doherty is brought on deck at the Captain’s behest
Lt. AD Roger-Jones: “Well lad, is that or is that not the ‘Minoritarianism’ ?”
Eamon Doherty: “I couldn’t rightly say sir as I don’t have me letters but there don’t seem to enough of them fer that.”
Lt. AD Roger-Jones: ” Eamon, my compliments to Mr. Sailer and would he please have my spyglass brought up from the Captain’s quarters.”
Spyglass in case is brought up from cabin and placed in Captain’s hands. Lt. AD Roger-Jones uncases spyglass and takes long look at USS Monitor. He replaces spyglass in case stamped “E. Litella, purveyor of fine optics” and proclaims: “Never mind.”
Exeunt AD and Mr. Sailer limping towards Portsmouth
https://www.unz.com/isteve/schrodingers-race/#comment-5489743 (#65)
But I still agree with AD about minoritarianism.Replies: @kaganovitch
Some here probably think various issues are separable. For instance, that you could tackle immigration--close the border, stop the deluge. Indeed, that's the most critical issue, and would give us a fighting chance at a future.
But you'd still have trannie and queer shit pushed in the schools and the denigration of normality, marriage and family. You'd still have cancerous DIE propaganda. You'd still have AA and be dragging along the "Civil Rights" legal/bureaucratic boat anchor--and legal $$$ shakedowns sucking money from productive people. You'd still have recurrent Floyd-a-paloozas, inadequate policing and shitty cities. You'd still be unable to have reasonable conversations about eugenics and eugenic policies and ergo still have dysgenic decline.
No, the normal productive majority must be in charge of their nation and governing it in their own interest--to maintain and reproduce themselves, their culture, their nation.
You really do have to sink the bad ship Minoritarianism. We all must stand the watch.Replies: @kaganovitch
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1766608841645433063Replies: @AnotherDad, @International Jew
And 210 years since the recognized sacking of any American city.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Columbus.jpg
But as everyone else says, it is actually ongoing since the 1960s in most US cities.Replies: @Joe Stalin
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
Sure, they vote with their patron – the country that gives them billions of dollars a year in foreign aid.
So? We can test our own weapons. We don’t need Israel for that.
No, but it is beneficial to the Chinese:
Who cares. Christians don’t need to make pilgrimages; it is not a religious obligation. The Western World did just fine after the Ottoman Turks took over the Holy Land. If Israel were run by Arabs, I don’t imagine they’d turn down tourist dollars anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Kreuznach
A German town I have visited, which historically had a significant Jewish population. Note that the article mentions that pious Jews referred to the town as "Image Place" because they did not want to use the name Kreuz or "cross".Replies: @J.Ross, @Pixo
No, it doesn’t. You quoted two different, conflicting groups. That their positions would conflict, should surprise nobody. The Israeli government has permitted the Orthodox to freeload off of everyone else for far too long, especially regarding military service.
I don’t disagree, exactly, but I think the Soviet embrace of various Arab states during the Cold War is more complex and depends on the country involved. The intimacy between the US and Israel that would develop in the 1960s also wasn’t preordained, IMO.
To take one example, the US refused to support Farouk in 1952, like the UK and France did: in other words, the polar opposite of what we allegedly (it’s more complex and ignores the fact there were two coups-and ours bombed-but it hardly matters in terms of image for the Iranians to have Kermit Roosevelt idiotically boosting himself-and who can blame them, given their history?) did in Iran the following year. Whether the CIA had men who helped the revolutionaries is still cloudy, but what isn’t in dispute is the degree the American defense and intelligence establishment accepted the coup as we competed with the Soviets in wooing the new government for the next couple of years. We just did not have the attachment the old colonial powers did to the monarchies of the region.
The Soviets ultimately won, but Israel didn’t prevent a competition from ensuing in the first place.
In any case, my take is very simple. If Israel wants unconditional loyalty from us, then the price is they reciprocate. They don’t want to do that? Then we don’t. That simple.
We should have made it clear the moment Rabin was shot that any support going forward was going to depend on a final agreement with the PLO by the end of the millennium: deadline. Israel’s political fractiousness meant that there’s a decent chance pressure could have worked. But if that’s wrong and the Likudniks chose the highway, we pull a Pontius Pilate until they are ready. Domestic opposition? Well, I’d be going all out on American nationalism against those squandering America’s unprecedented wealth and standing, and that’d make for great combination for all the other things I’d fix about the 1990s anyway.
Iranian politics was always complex so its unlikely the above two who were recently dropped off in Iran and lacking language skills knew enough to be the prime instigators Look at what happened in 1979, by that time the CIA in Iran was much, much larger and better funded and organized than in 1953 yet it was absolutely confused about what was happening In fact, the CIA told Jimmy Carter in 1978 that the Shah was secure for about the next thirty years and many of the CIA assets were actually revolutionaries
What likely happened in 1953 was that CIA was kept informed by the actual plotters and provided dollars but after the success of the coup took immediate credit for it so as to impress MI5 and Ike and to provide an aura of competence worldwide Increased funding due to supposed results covered up actual limitations and incompetence
A further aspect, the CIA backed the Shah because..well his second wife was hot and had a vivacious personality so... yeah the US backed him up whereas they usually dropped kings like hot potatoes She was the repository of the secret boyish fantasies CIA case officers had about her (don't underestimate the power that secret juvenile fantasies have in moving the world- case in point, ladies and gentlemen I give you...the Neocons)
It all backfired because the second time around in '79 the revolutionaries emphasized isolating the CIA from the facts on the ground Like I said, a great many of the informants in the country were actually double agents working for the Ayatollah In fact, the Ayatollah made sure the CIA thought of him as an asset "the blasphemous unbelieving fools.....hahahaha (best Dr Evil laugh)"Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous
USS Monitor,
Acting Captain, Lieutn. Catesby AD Roger Jones
Mr. Sailer, First Officer
Eamon Doherty, Apprentice OilerMr. Sailer: "Sir, we have sprung several leaks and the smokestacks are badly damaged. Shall I instruct the helmsman to make for Portsmouth?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "Under no circumstances Mr. Sailer. We must pursue and sink that ship!"Mr. Sailer; "Sir, such a course risks the destruction of our vessel and all aboard"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "I'd consider their lives well spent even were they twice as many!"Mr. Sailer: "Sir, I don't understand? What is the prize that justifies this extravagant expenditure of life?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Good God, man. Don't you see? That is the 'Minoritarianism'! It must be sunk, else we are all sunk!"Mr. Sailer: "Begging your pardon, sir, I'm far from certain that it is. Might I suggest that you have the Doherty lad brought up top? He has the keenest eyesight on board."Lt. AD Roger Jones: "Very well, Mr. Sailer. Send for him."
Eamon Doherty is brought on deck at the Captain's behestLt. AD Roger-Jones: "Well lad, is that or is that not the 'Minoritarianism' ?"Eamon Doherty: "I couldn't rightly say sir as I don't have me letters but there don't seem to enough of them fer that."Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Eamon, my compliments to Mr. Sailer and would he please have my spyglass brought up from the Captain's quarters." Spyglass in case is brought up from cabin and placed in Captain's hands. Lt. AD Roger-Jones uncases spyglass and takes long look at USS Monitor. He replaces spyglass in case stamped "E. Litella, purveyor of fine optics" and proclaims: "Never mind."Exeunt AD and Mr. Sailer limping towards PortsmouthReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Nicholas Stix, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad
Kags, you’ve got writing chops. This was classic:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/schrodingers-race/#comment-5489743 (#65)
USS Monitor,
Acting Captain, Lieutn. Catesby AD Roger Jones
Mr. Sailer, First Officer
Eamon Doherty, Apprentice OilerMr. Sailer: "Sir, we have sprung several leaks and the smokestacks are badly damaged. Shall I instruct the helmsman to make for Portsmouth?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "Under no circumstances Mr. Sailer. We must pursue and sink that ship!"Mr. Sailer; "Sir, such a course risks the destruction of our vessel and all aboard"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "I'd consider their lives well spent even were they twice as many!"Mr. Sailer: "Sir, I don't understand? What is the prize that justifies this extravagant expenditure of life?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Good God, man. Don't you see? That is the 'Minoritarianism'! It must be sunk, else we are all sunk!"Mr. Sailer: "Begging your pardon, sir, I'm far from certain that it is. Might I suggest that you have the Doherty lad brought up top? He has the keenest eyesight on board."Lt. AD Roger Jones: "Very well, Mr. Sailer. Send for him."
Eamon Doherty is brought on deck at the Captain's behestLt. AD Roger-Jones: "Well lad, is that or is that not the 'Minoritarianism' ?"Eamon Doherty: "I couldn't rightly say sir as I don't have me letters but there don't seem to enough of them fer that."Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Eamon, my compliments to Mr. Sailer and would he please have my spyglass brought up from the Captain's quarters." Spyglass in case is brought up from cabin and placed in Captain's hands. Lt. AD Roger-Jones uncases spyglass and takes long look at USS Monitor. He replaces spyglass in case stamped "E. Litella, purveyor of fine optics" and proclaims: "Never mind."Exeunt AD and Mr. Sailer limping towards PortsmouthReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Nicholas Stix, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad
Thanks for the belly laugh. Rich, rich, rich!
I see it coming sooner than we think; no one is properly prepared.
Properly prepared how is the question not only I would have asked. Computer skills? What if the Big Act is the shutdown and the power fails? Guns and bunkers? What if they want us hiding all over the map and not in touch with each other (if the power failure is big enough to push the future into a different game?)
If the nascent CIA got rid of General George Patton and Admiral James Forrestal — neither of whose death is considered suspicious by the regime to this day — then patriots are seriously behind in their thinking,
Samual Francis once said this is something we should expect. Our people, he once opined at his old site, will have to learn more and faster than any group in history. Even near the end, he didn’t think it was impossible. We shouldn’t either.
St Ralph
“How is it worse or even all that bad?
“When I look at the primary actors attacking it, ranging from Donald Trump to Chris Rufo, both dishonest people who attempt to distort what DEI involves, I wonder why so many people are up in arms about something so minor in the scheme of things.”
From the leftist ammo bag: Claim that honest critics are hysterical.
The wapo content provider, Bump, is a lying moron, writing for other lying morons. The basic idea of pc, “diversity,” etc. is to engage in massive discrimination against Whites, legally disenfranchise them, and annihilate them.
Nicholas, I see you’ve added an LOL to kaganovitch’s 2022 comment. Ron’s commenting system is great.
"How is it worse or even all that bad?
"When I look at the primary actors attacking it, ranging from Donald Trump to Chris Rufo, both dishonest people who attempt to distort what DEI involves, I wonder why so many people are up in arms about something so minor in the scheme of things."
From the leftist ammo bag: Claim that honest critics are hysterical.
The wapo content provider, Bump, is a lying moron, writing for other lying morons. The basic idea of pc, "diversity," etc. is to engage in massive discrimination against Whites, legally disenfranchise them, and annihilate them.Replies: @Nicholas Stix
And economically dispossess them.
JIE, I was very pleasantly surprised to see that I could. Yes, it is great. Did Ron improve on his system?
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
“Lesser Armenia” and “the Principality of Antioch” are now part of the Republic of Turkey, though some of their population is still ethnic Arab. A friend of mine, an Alawite from Antakya (Antioch), is pro-Syrian government and damns to hell the Turkish government, Israel and the Sunni fundamentalists who in his view are controlled by both the USA and Israel.
Specifically regarding the reaction tags, I belive there was never a ‘time limit’ on adding or changing them (although they can’t be deleted AFAIK). If you were to change one of your old ones, it bumps up to the current time in your comments history.
Philip Bump comes across in this conversation as a freakish system loyalist:
Right. The neocons didn’t fall from power in the right until after the Iraq war (a very good reason to be expelled from power!)
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OT -- Illegals in a truck in Colorado target and run over white kids on bicycles. Anon claimed:Replies: @tyrone
Don’t kid yourself, that’s a thing ,blacks are acculturated to keep a lot of stuff from the ears of white people ,this being foremost . I once ask an older black man about root doctors , his reply while giving me the side-eye was “what do you want to know about that for”. Of course we learned that Obama’s mother -in -law performed a hoodoo ritual on entering the White House and my theory is the bulge seen in Michelle’s crotch is a nation sack , a hoodoo charm to keep her man faithful.
See if he’s interested. How many people do you expect him to keep up with?
Maybe it’s my age, but I would rather read an article than listen to a podcast. I can read the transcript in a third to a quarter of the time it takes me to listen to the podcast.
A possible downside is increased impatience with real world slow talkers who don't have a "playback speed" button. Oh, and the incidental music can sound weird.
No one cares when you started doing whatever! ffs man! The only thing we Judeo-Americans care about is how much petrol we can throw on an inferno and blame anyone who comes to put it out, persecute and execute them see them out till the complete and utter destruction of every child, cousin, goat farm, all of their family is exterminated to the point that coriander is driven from all supermarkets.
How long till you see things implode? Did you see the other week a wheel fall off one of your Boeings?
Steve, where do you see your kids ten years from now?
In America?
You haven’t even given thought till the last three weeks how your kids will see out the next 20 years.
How will your kids see out the next 20 years, Stevo, if you don’t mind me asking a genius like you?
After all, none of the next generations set in stone the worship of Israel and the selling out of pure bred corn-fed Americans.
When we were born it was a done deal we were sold out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COM30dMHBVI
It disgusts me the sell out of NSW my home state in the face of Koalas wiped out, but we have to have multi-million street shitters upon a bajillion asians.
Fuck you and fuck every politician who brought this in I hope to see you hang
(*Note: I don't blame Steve for this and nor do I hope to see him hang like I do my polticians who sold us out)Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Ralph L
https://twitter.com/InsaneGraphic/status/1766567677055639705
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/us-news/fdny-boss-laura-kavanagh-hunts-down-staffers-who-booed-ny-ag-letitia-james-cheered-for-trump-at-promotion-ceremony/
How long till you see things implode? Did you see the other week a wheel fall off one of your Boeings?
Steve, where do you see your kids ten years from now?
In America?
You haven't even given thought till the last three weeks how your kids will see out the next 20 years.
How will your kids see out the next 20 years, Stevo, if you don't mind me asking a genius like you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ2X9SANsMEReplies: @Pat Hannagan
It disgusts me when I see or hear Boomers like Steve declaiming the next generations.
After all, none of the next generations set in stone the worship of Israel and the selling out of pure bred corn-fed Americans.
When we were born it was a done deal we were sold out.
It disgusts me the sell out of NSW my home state in the face of Koalas wiped out, but we have to have multi-million street shitters upon a bajillion asians.
Fuck you and fuck every politician who brought this in I hope to see you hang
(*Note: I don’t blame Steve for this and nor do I hope to see him hang like I do my polticians who sold us out)
They're constantly concerned about racism unless it involves a Jew destroying a Lebanese family.
Then...well... who cares lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc0XEw4m-3w
have you asked permission to hold these opinions? If not, I’m afraid I have to report you Comrade
Remember that most of the world is not as free and prosperous as the United States. If one is concerned about helping the worst off, look beyond our borders. And surely, if so-called diversity is your interest, the rest of the world is far more diverse than just the U.S.
The course would not qualify as a diversity course because it was about the global poor and not about U.S. affirmative action categories. My friend dropped the proposal knowing that students had to rack up diversity courses and that a course about global welfare would not draw enough students. In other words, the diversity obsession is Americocentric.
Elsewhere, a syllabus on American ethnic political thought over time was rejected by the DEI review committee because (in veiled bureaucratic language) it didn't contain material disparaging white populations.Replies: @Richard B, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Remember, that the United States is neither free or prosperous.
FIFY
The diversity obsession, like the antiwhite obsession, is Global.*
FIFY
*Antiwhite Hatred is the shadow of Diversity.
Just has Stupidity is the shadow of Conformity.
Diversity + Antiwhite Hatred + Conformity + Stupidity = Identity Politics
But there is one belief-system that is even worse, because it subsumes them all. Zionsim. Identity Politics is simply Zionism for POCs. Both are inoperable cancers.
Not in Britain where Sam Melia was sentenced to two years in prison for distributing a sticker saying ‘Its Okay To Be White’
Here is the government crowing: https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/updated-sentence-far-right-organiser-found-guilty-intent-stir-racial-hatred-through
Part of their ‘evidence’ was that he possessed, in the privacy of his own home, a book written by Sir Oswald Mosley, its really difficult to call this a democracy now.
After all, none of the next generations set in stone the worship of Israel and the selling out of pure bred corn-fed Americans.
When we were born it was a done deal we were sold out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COM30dMHBVI
It disgusts me the sell out of NSW my home state in the face of Koalas wiped out, but we have to have multi-million street shitters upon a bajillion asians.
Fuck you and fuck every politician who brought this in I hope to see you hang
(*Note: I don't blame Steve for this and nor do I hope to see him hang like I do my polticians who sold us out)Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Ralph L
All of our politicians are bought out, they serve a foreign nation called Israel.
They’re constantly concerned about racism unless it involves a Jew destroying a Lebanese family.
Then…well… who cares lmao
Yeah, the Iranian coup of 1953 is a complex case Certainly, the CIA was involved in it by bribing officials and some organizational work but yes it is unlikely that Kermit Roosevelt and Norman Schwarzkopf (the dad not son) had enough knowledge of Iranian culture to be the main plotters
Iranian politics was always complex so its unlikely the above two who were recently dropped off in Iran and lacking language skills knew enough to be the prime instigators Look at what happened in 1979, by that time the CIA in Iran was much, much larger and better funded and organized than in 1953 yet it was absolutely confused about what was happening In fact, the CIA told Jimmy Carter in 1978 that the Shah was secure for about the next thirty years and many of the CIA assets were actually revolutionaries
What likely happened in 1953 was that CIA was kept informed by the actual plotters and provided dollars but after the success of the coup took immediate credit for it so as to impress MI5 and Ike and to provide an aura of competence worldwide Increased funding due to supposed results covered up actual limitations and incompetence
A further aspect, the CIA backed the Shah because..well his second wife was hot and had a vivacious personality so… yeah the US backed him up whereas they usually dropped kings like hot potatoes She was the repository of the secret boyish fantasies CIA case officers had about her (don’t underestimate the power that secret juvenile fantasies have in moving the world- case in point, ladies and gentlemen I give you…the Neocons)
It all backfired because the second time around in ’79 the revolutionaries emphasized isolating the CIA from the facts on the ground Like I said, a great many of the informants in the country were actually double agents working for the Ayatollah In fact, the Ayatollah made sure the CIA thought of him as an asset “the blasphemous unbelieving fools…..hahahaha (best Dr Evil laugh)”
Might also fast forward to Obama who's number one foreign policy objective was to "fix" Carter's Iran mistakes, and we're told plenty of Obama retreads working for "Biden" are favoring Iran and its proxies in the current unpleasantness in the Middle East.
Not that I think Clown World has the stomach to properly deal with the Houthi pirates, and I wonder about how many naval SAMs are being used up with no prospect for quick replacement. That's utterly bottle necked by the rate at which rocket engines can be procured by the one remaining approved US vendor. Could be mightily convenient for the PRC in due course....Replies: @notbe mk 2
https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/large/mw89695/Enoch-Powell.jpg
“ Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen.”Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Art Deco, @Anon
It doesn’t seem to be public knowledge in the United States, but Powell has been credibly accused of sexual abuse of children when he spent time in Northern Ireland in the 1970s, of residents of Williamson House and Kincora children’s homes.
“Richard Kerr was a resident at Williamson House, a State run institution. He recalls that a trafficker called ‘David’ and an accomplice came to take him away to be abused by Powell on a summer’s day in either 1973 or 1974 when Powell was 61 or 62. By this stage of his life, sexual abuse by adult males had become “normal” for him.”
https://villagemagazine.ie/the-mentor-of-sir-jeffrey-donaldson-the-new-leader-of-the-dup-was-a-racist-and-a-paedophile-with-deranged-views-about-the-intelligence-of-women/
This news hasn’t received the attention it deserves because the British intelligence services were mixed up in it, running honey-pots against leading Unionist politicians in NI throughout the Troubles.
Village magazine is an independent journal produced and published in Dublin.
Tippecanoe and Tyler too but that was William Henry Harrison.
Before the Obama Pivot came the September 11th Revanche.
My recollection of our recent cultural history is that things were indeed trending the Woke way since the late 1980s.* It was getting gradually worse through the 1990s, though the tech bubble prosperity was a partial distraction. But the political-correctness heresy came to screeching halt on 9/11/2001 when it suddenly became apparent that, yeah, a bunch of these exotic brown people really are trying to kill you.
This caesura persisted through the Bush years, though there were troubling signs and omens even then: an Army officer here stating he fought so lefties could speak out, an Economist article there framing the War on Terror as a crusade for gay rights, etc.
Then came the Obama Pivot: first stealthily, then flagrantly, and political correctness, seemingly buried seven years before, was reborn as wokeness. The Trump election, which promised to restore sanity, instead put the left into frantic overdrive, which fury, upon regaining total power in 2021, they have not hesitated to put into practice.
So even their reverses (9/11/2001 and 11/8/2016) have turned out to be advances. Of course, this pattern could go back to the 1960s-1970s radicalism facing its own Thermidorian Reaction in the 1980s but nevertheless making the subterranean progress that would later erupt as political correctness and then wokism.
And one could go back to the 1930s radicalism and the 1940s/1950s revanchism . . .
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*My first encounter with the term “politically correct” was in California in 1985, but the people I heard it from used it in mocking derision of a fringe annoyance. A few years later, though, I was mildly alarmed to see a lefty institution at an Ivy university promoting The Alternative Library.
“‘Alternative‘?” I thought, “Alternative to what? To reality?”
Well, yes, as it turned out. And it eventually swallowed the real libraries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ZoroJdVnAHe steadfastly refused to institute racial profiling against Muslims. And he did nothing to secure the borders.Bush won a huge amount of political capital on 9/11. He blew it all (and then some) on the invasion of Iraq. When the weapons of mass destruction failed to materialize he lost some credibility. But he still managed to win re-election in 2004.The real turning point was the Katrina catastrophe in late August/early September 2005. The chaos in New Orleans revealed the stark reality of black dysfunction for all to see. But CNN plastered TV screens across the country with endless clip reels of bodies floating in the streets and Anderson Cooper bawling his eyes out. The federal response was somewhat sluggish (as it was after Hurricane Andrew, which I remember vividly) but the constant 24/7 news coverage ("N'awlins is dying and Bush doesn't give a shit!") was unprecedented. Bush's reputation never recovered.The Republicans lost control of Congress in the 2006 midterms. Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House in January 2007. Just days later, Hillary and Barry launched their presidential campaigns.Hillary was the anointed front-runner. She was shocked when Barry won Iowa.The Iowa caucus was on a Thursday. On Friday morning Barry was already being introduced as "the next president of the United States". Over the weekend Hillary's campaign seemed to fall apart and it looked like she was finished. But then on Monday she went on television and she cried. Tears fell down her cheeks. The New Hampshire primary voters were so impressed by her unprecedented show of emotion that they granted her an upset victory on Tuesday.McCain wrapped up the Republican nomination well in advance of Super Tuesday in early February. But neither Democratic candidate was able to score a knockout blow.Hillary's last best hope of beating Obama came when the "Jeremiah Wright controversy" (as Wikipedia describes it) erupted around the ides of March. For a couple of days Wright's stirring refrain of "God Damn America!" bellowed across the nation.An excerpt from this sermon, originally delivered on the Sunday after 9/11, got a fair amount of attention:But then Obama gave one of his smarmy speeches in which he attempted to distance himself from Wright while flatly refusing to disown him. His message, essentially, was that if Wright's rhetoric was outrageous and offensive, it was no more outrageous and offensive than the RACISM! that Wright had experienced all of his life. The media swooned over Barry's brilliance and declared the Wright issue null and void. The good pastor accepted a hefty cash "donation" and kept his mouth shut.After that it was all but certain that Obama would be the nominee. Hillary had blown her wad.She refused to quit even after it became clear that it was mathematically impossible for her to secure enough delegates to win the nomination. Some of her people even muttered about the possibility of a floor fight at the convention in late August. But in the end she bowed out after the California primary in the first week of June.The Republican convention was set to begin on Labor Day 2008. Obama delivered his grandiose acceptance speech at Mile High Stadium on the preceding Thursday. The very next morning, McCain announced his selection of Sarah Palin as running mate.But as luck would have it, over that weekend, it became clear that another major hurricane (Gustav) was heading directly for New Orleans, with landfall scheduled for Labor Day morning. The GOP hurriedly cancelled the opening session.Gustav weakened and turned away from the city at the last moment, but the GOP party was spoiled by yet another bombshell: the revelation that Sarah Palin's daughter (I forget her name) was pregnant.Exactly two weeks later, another hurricane (Ike) took aim at Galveston, prompting the shutdown of numerous Gulf oil platforms and briefly sending the price of crude soaring past the $100 mark. But the really big disaster came in New York. An economic tidal surge swamped the teetering Lehman Brothers, undermining the bank's foundation and causing that storied edifice to collapse.Just prior to the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Obama and McCain were running neck-and-neck in the polls. But as the financial carnage mounted, the Half-Blood Prince began to pull ahead. By early October it was clear that the Magic Negro had it in the bag.On November 4, 2008, Obama won the presidential election, and the fate of America was sealed.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri
Maybe it’s my age, but I would rather read an article than listen to a podcast. I can read the transcript in a third to a quarter of the time it takes me to listen to the podcast.Replies: @Almost Missouri
I find that turning up the speed on podcasts (and YouTube videos) improves utility. You can go as high as 2× on some slow talkers.
A possible downside is increased impatience with real world slow talkers who don’t have a “playback speed” button. Oh, and the incidental music can sound weird.
Arabs are absolutely & always against everything white & Christian.
Remember that most of the world is not as free and prosperous as the United States. If one is concerned about helping the worst off, look beyond our borders. And surely, if so-called diversity is your interest, the rest of the world is far more diverse than just the U.S.
The course would not qualify as a diversity course because it was about the global poor and not about U.S. affirmative action categories. My friend dropped the proposal knowing that students had to rack up diversity courses and that a course about global welfare would not draw enough students. In other words, the diversity obsession is Americocentric.
Elsewhere, a syllabus on American ethnic political thought over time was rejected by the DEI review committee because (in veiled bureaucratic language) it didn't contain material disparaging white populations.Replies: @Richard B, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican
This is interesting: a university rejecting a course because it is insufficiently parochial. That kinda takes the universe out of university.
So, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion officially and specifically Excludes whites. But I guess that’s why they changed Equality to Equity: it wasn’t about being equal, it was about plunder.
That DEI courses must be about American affirmative action categories, and can never be about the global poor or cultures well outside America, betrays its profoundly narcissistic origins.
He’s making the common non-argument that has been made by the agents of entropy to justify their activities. It might be called “Wednesdayism,” after Chesterton’s quote: “My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.”
Bump is just writing: “It’s Wednesday! Can you even believe that it used to be Tuesday? Back in the olden times of Tuesday, some people couldn’t imagine it being Wednesday – or, perhaps they could, but they were those Tuesday sorts of people who couldn’t get with the times of Wednesday! You know, there are even Tuesday types still around today, when it is nearly Thursday!”
A few years ago this was distilled on the internet in a series of memes themed “It’s the Current Year!” It’s a critique of the penchant of people with horn rimmed smart glasses like Bump to retort “It’s 2024!” in response to a reasoned argument or request for social normality. You might say something like “Gee, the data on America’s children is not good. They’re falling behind educationally, emotionally, and socially compared with prior generations and exhibit symptoms of anxiety disorders at younger ages. Perhaps we should revisit the practice of young women prioritizing careers while their children are in their own tender years?” The response will be “It’s 2024! [previously, It’s 2023; It’s 2022; It’s 2021; It’s 2020; It’s 2019; It’s 2018; It’s 2017; It’s 2016; and It’s 2015].”
The main offender (who became the face of the meme) was fussy British nebbish John Oliver who used “It’s [insert current year]!” often to summarily dismiss arguments and events. (He is one of a trend of foreigners hired by television programmers to insinuate themselves into American politics and to insult and heap humiliation on Americans on a nightly basis). The idea is that controversies are settled by the mere passage of time, that social change occurs without agency, and that one should feel social pressure and embarrassment for not intuiting the up to date zeitgeist.
So the point of Bump’s piece is not to refute the predictions of 1993 or the resultant disasters, but to heap derision on Tuesday for being Tuesday. Aren’t you embarrassed that it was once Tuesday?
https://i.postimg.cc/xTWwGG2v/John-Oliver-Show.pngReplies: @res
Harvard students recently held a hunger strike in solidarity with students at Brown. The Harvard strike lasted 12 hours. Now, all of us have gone 12 hours without eating, but it would be annoying to do so if all 12 hours were waking.
I'm--10lbs out of my desired old man "beach body" shape--am fasting pretty much weekly. Ate last night and will eat again tomorrow at noon. Ok, I have milk in my tea--I'm not a savage--so my blood sugar isn't hitting rock bottom. (Though I should still get some fat burning ketosis.)
But 12 hours? Oh I'm skipping lunch! Even the kids' idea of protest "deprivation" is a complete joke.
Yes, this.
The good Rabbi says that it is necessary to give the Orthodox a military exemption because the lives of the rest of the Jews are being saved by their prayers. Maybe he’s deluded about that part too, just as he is deluded with the idea that his followers could all just leave. The last time a large # of Jews thought that they could just leave to get away from genocide it turned out that they couldn’t. Or maybe he is a cynical religious/political leader in the Iranian tradition who says stuff that he knows is not true if he thinks it helps his bargaining position.
The rest of Israel society was willing to put up with their bullshit when the Orthodox were a handful of Holocaust survivors (“thanks for praying for us while we actually do the fighting and dying”) but now they are a very large % of the Israeli population. It’s the old AA conundrum where you go seamlessly from the situation where the group has to be protected because they are small and powerless to the situation where the group has to be protected because they are large and powerful.
Anyway, as you say, the fact that a guy in a funny hat threatens that his followers could all just leave and go elsewhere does not mean that the “final redoubt” claim is untrue.
You've plopped yourself in a strip of semidesert lacking the resources to support more than a fraction of the current population, alienated all your neighbors, ensured the surviving native population will hate you for all eternity, lost the good will of most of the planet, and left yourself dependent on the continuing support of a notoriously fickle people in a state that is rapidly losing its ability to control events or to help anyone.
What did you miss?Replies: @Dmon, @Jack D
https://i.postimg.cc/4ySbw9FY/1710024734951629.jpgReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @KimSongLee
The Pueblo is in North Korea. That is the flag of South Korea.
“And one could go back to the 1930s radicalism and the 1940s and 1950s revanchism.”
Thanks. And before that you had the radicalism of the Progressive era and Wilson and then the 1920s revanchism of Harding and Coolidge.
About every 30 years you have a lull in the march to the left in this country: Coolidge, Eisenhower, Reagan and most recently Trump. This is only temporary, though. The leftward drift of the country then resumes. The resistance to it slowly grows weaker over time.
This may very well continue for a couple more decades. At some point, though, we are likely to reach something like the late stage Soviet Union. Our version of socialism will become discredited. Like after the Soviet Union collapsed, things will get quite bad. You will see declining life expectancy for a period of time, but things will eventually improve again.
Bump has perhaps not noticed that the grotesque transformation of PC into the woke-BLM-DEI psychosis we now have has reversed the one counter-PC trend of the mid-90s though 2019, the sharp decline in crime. After all, the BLM-era crime rate is only exploding in Washington DC, theoretically the home of The Washington Post. But the Post has never paid much attention to its home city, preferring to bloviate on national and international themes while providing ideological comfort food to government workers who live in DC’s suburbs.
Trump made many former heroes of the right show their true colors. National Review, George Will, et al. et al. Trump showed that these people were more interested in losing gracefully than in winning.
He said, from America.
Yglesias in 2010 usefully coined the term Pundit’s Fallacy:
“ The pundit’s fallacy is that belief that what a politician needs to do to improve his or her political standing is do what the pundit wants substantively.”
This is a very real cognitive bias, and like all the others, one should actively guard against it.
I do feel that it would be good politically for Trump to go even harder against migration, go to the center on economic issues, while reforming the tax code in a eugenic natalist matter. But I also recognize that Trump is a political expert who was elected president, and I was not.Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad
It is the Jew and not the “anti-Semite” who wants all Jews lumped together in one train car; it is the “anti-Semite” and not the Jew is the one who wants to distinguish individuals and punish only the guilty. There’s a scene in White Hunter, Black Heart illustrating this; this is why Israel was a refuge for child molesters, to the proper outrage of moral Israelis.
“Anti-Semitism” is an outdated tribal survival strategy in which the normal Jew shield the Wicked Son and quite stupidly says, “if you want that guy, you’ll have to go through me.” The Wicked Son would never do the same for you.
Yglesias in 2010 usefully coined the term Pundit’s Fallacy:
“ The pundit’s fallacy is that belief that what a politician needs to do to improve his or her political standing is do what the pundit wants substantively.”
This is a very real cognitive bias, and like all the others, one should actively guard against it.
I do feel that it would be good politically for Trump to go even harder against migration, go to the center on economic issues, while reforming the tax code in a eugenic natalist matter. But I also recognize that Trump is a political expert who was elected president, and I was not.Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad
LOL. No, of course not. I was even thinking of putting that explicitly in there to ward off this sort of response, but I didn’t think it was even necessary.
My advice is that Trump should be clear that the “horrible people” are the “Biden Administration”. People given the charter to lead America but instead working against the interests of working Americans, working to degrade and destroy the future for American’s posterity.
Agree on all of this. But the key, key, key–did I say “key”?–issue is the critical economic issue is immigration. The “must have immigration!” zealots are destroying “affordable family formation” for Americans. Depressing working and middle class wages, driving up housing costs, making it even more expensive to be in neighborhood with “good schools”, forcing higher taxes–as well as degrading quality of life with crowding, traffic, congestion, litter, sprawl, lost open space …
There is no amount of money that the bigger–more crowded–but poorer America can throw around in welfare that can make up for the direct immigration driven degrading of American life. (The spending track Biden has us on is already unsustainable.) Trump needs to beat on this. The most important thing the government can do for working Americans is stop the deluge–stop trying to drown Americans.
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You can legitimately note the “Pundit’s Fallacy” but occasionally some “pundit” is going to be right, or the political messages would never change. This was the case in 2016. Trump’s “things aren’t right” immigration messaging made him more appealing to Republican primary voters, and that and Hillary! got him elected.
But why Republicans have never been able to turn the corner on immigration–despite people’s unhappiness with what has happened–is they haven’t made the tie to people’s direct economic interests. People sense that their nation is being destroyed, by letting in lots of very different foreigners–which is both true and perfectly legitimate. But after 60+ years of minoritarian glop, being against “immigrants” simply because they are different is “racist”–will be called “racist!” and “Nazi!” and all sorts of other names by the people with the megaphone.
But, of course, there’s a good practical, biological reason why people are naturally, viscerally opposed to having foreign “not like us” people come into your patch. Because they are taking space and goodies that rightfully belong to your children, your posterity–and in the process destroying your culture, your people.
Republicans, Trump can make that both explicit and rational and “legitimate” by making the economic case. That the immigration zealots are directly destroying “affordable family formation”–your family, your children’s quality of life, and in fact chance to have a life, to have a family, to have children, to be born at all.
The evil people are not the immigrants coming, the evil people are the people allowing and encouraging them to come.
Whitherto? The poor question is begging, pitifully. For many a folk, that statement sounds like the locusts are coming in a farmer's almanac.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
The opposite of from whence?? That’s redundant and repetitive, pleonastic and supererogatory.
Túl öreg vagyok ahhoz, hogy megtanuljak magyarul.
Do you also comment as Magyar/Orvos/Diak/Ferfi/Idiota/OrbanStan/...and many more?
He's been quiet lately, I think. But maybe not, since I tend to lose focus after about 100 comments.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Married couple accused of sexually assaulting family dog
During a temp job in North Fort Myers in the '90s, I got the feeling the place was rather downscale, if still very white. Kind of a West Virginia on the Gulf.Replies: @Wade Hampton
Boneing Fifi is not a foundational element of White culture.
Dogfighting is a foundational element of black culture.
If you have a strong stomach, search for Michael Vick and dogfighting.
Let the Soldo links through, Steve, they have started to come true.
Also:
Apparently Biden is trying to undermine Netanyahu and collapse his government, during a war. Netanyahu will of course react to this.
Macron is sending materiel to Elensky.
An anon predicts economic collapse, a big sell-off in the financial markets, eventually leading to bank failures.
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
Pixo, this–like your Ashkenazi leaders!–shtick is just kind of silly.
I don’t have any big problem with Israel. People naturally belong in their own nations–including Jews. And what’s obviously needed in the Middle East would be much more separation of peoples–so they aren’t in each other’s business at all.
But Israel rather than an ally has rather obviously been a giant boat anchor around American foreign/defense policy. Israel–and American Jews requiring slavish devotion to it–continually poisons our relations with the Arab world, and the larger Muslim world. America compensates for the damage Israel does by throwing around even more cash, coddling and bribing leaders–and launching dubious interventions. Israel continually generates “drama” that the US must then try and deal with. This Houthi nonsense a case in point. Yeah, we need to go smash some trouble-making desert riff-raff … but they wouldn’t even be causing trouble but for Israel drama.
But even beyond that, Israel isn’t much of an “ally”. It doesn’t take a “the West”–we’re all in this together–approach, but rather aggressively pursues its own interests. Including selling defense tech to our adversaries like China–including our own or derivative technology. The Israelis do not behave like “friends” but “opportunists”.
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3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims
AnotherFamily did the standard J-I-E trip a few years back. I think our family consensus was Jordan was the most pleasant part of it–Dead Sea, Petra, Wadhi Rum, Aqaba. (Then we crossed and drove back North to Jerusalem.) If Israel had never happened, the joint would be perfectly fine for tourists as some sort of Arab state.
I’ll also say … I found the whole “Holy Land” thing was boring. (I’m not a Bible beater.) Fundamentally–not my people and not very interesting. I think the gist of it is Europeans got hold of Christianity and built it into something much greater, grander, more interesting than its Semitic origins.
The Houthis are Iranian proxies and Iran's goal is to establish itself as the dominant regional power in the Middle East. America's presence in the region (which turns more around the protection of trade routes and the oil trade than anything having to do with Israel) is a thorn in their side. So the idea that you should really believe them when they say "just give us Israel and we'll leave you alone" is about as believable as when Hitler told everyone "just give us the Sudetenland and we'll leave you alone" or as Putin's pronouncements that his goals in E. Europe are limited to the Donbas and Crimea.
As far as the Holy Land being safe for tourism without Israel, 1st of all keep in mind that the stability of Jordan itself is (secretly) safeguarded by Israel. A post-Israel Holy Land might more closely resemble modern day Damascus or Gaza City or Beirut, none of which is safe for Western tourism more than it would resemble the Aqaba that you visited. Without Israel, the Hashemites would surely be overthrown by their Palestinian majority and the Palestinians have not exactly demonstrated a genius for self rule.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon
Know nothing about these various “hunger strikes”, but seriously 12 hours. LOL.
I’m–10lbs out of my desired old man “beach body” shape–am fasting pretty much weekly. Ate last night and will eat again tomorrow at noon. Ok, I have milk in my tea–I’m not a savage–so my blood sugar isn’t hitting rock bottom. (Though I should still get some fat burning ketosis.)
But 12 hours? Oh I’m skipping lunch! Even the kids’ idea of protest “deprivation” is a complete joke.
Confederate remnants sacked Detroit in 1967.
USS Monitor,
Acting Captain, Lieutn. Catesby AD Roger Jones
Mr. Sailer, First Officer
Eamon Doherty, Apprentice OilerMr. Sailer: "Sir, we have sprung several leaks and the smokestacks are badly damaged. Shall I instruct the helmsman to make for Portsmouth?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "Under no circumstances Mr. Sailer. We must pursue and sink that ship!"Mr. Sailer; "Sir, such a course risks the destruction of our vessel and all aboard"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "I'd consider their lives well spent even were they twice as many!"Mr. Sailer: "Sir, I don't understand? What is the prize that justifies this extravagant expenditure of life?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Good God, man. Don't you see? That is the 'Minoritarianism'! It must be sunk, else we are all sunk!"Mr. Sailer: "Begging your pardon, sir, I'm far from certain that it is. Might I suggest that you have the Doherty lad brought up top? He has the keenest eyesight on board."Lt. AD Roger Jones: "Very well, Mr. Sailer. Send for him."
Eamon Doherty is brought on deck at the Captain's behestLt. AD Roger-Jones: "Well lad, is that or is that not the 'Minoritarianism' ?"Eamon Doherty: "I couldn't rightly say sir as I don't have me letters but there don't seem to enough of them fer that."Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Eamon, my compliments to Mr. Sailer and would he please have my spyglass brought up from the Captain's quarters." Spyglass in case is brought up from cabin and placed in Captain's hands. Lt. AD Roger-Jones uncases spyglass and takes long look at USS Monitor. He replaces spyglass in case stamped "E. Litella, purveyor of fine optics" and proclaims: "Never mind."Exeunt AD and Mr. Sailer limping towards PortsmouthReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Nicholas Stix, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad
Very fine parody.
But I still agree with AD about minoritarianism.
I don't have any big problem with Israel. People naturally belong in their own nations--including Jews. And what's obviously needed in the Middle East would be much more separation of peoples--so they aren't in each other's business at all.
But Israel rather than an ally has rather obviously been a giant boat anchor around American foreign/defense policy. Israel--and American Jews requiring slavish devotion to it--continually poisons our relations with the Arab world, and the larger Muslim world. America compensates for the damage Israel does by throwing around even more cash, coddling and bribing leaders--and launching dubious interventions. Israel continually generates "drama" that the US must then try and deal with. This Houthi nonsense a case in point. Yeah, we need to go smash some trouble-making desert riff-raff ... but they wouldn't even be causing trouble but for Israel drama.
But even beyond that, Israel isn't much of an "ally". It doesn't take a "the West"--we're all in this together--approach, but rather aggressively pursues its own interests. Including selling defense tech to our adversaries like China--including our own or derivative technology. The Israelis do not behave like "friends" but "opportunists".
~~
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims
AnotherFamily did the standard J-I-E trip a few years back. I think our family consensus was Jordan was the most pleasant part of it--Dead Sea, Petra, Wadhi Rum, Aqaba. (Then we crossed and drove back North to Jerusalem.) If Israel had never happened, the joint would be perfectly fine for tourists as some sort of Arab state.
I'll also say ... I found the whole "Holy Land" thing was boring. (I'm not a Bible beater.) Fundamentally--not my people and not very interesting. I think the gist of it is Europeans got hold of Christianity and built it into something much greater, grander, more interesting than its Semitic origins.Replies: @Jack D
I think you are taking their proclamations at face value when everything that people in the Middle East say needs to be taken with a large discount. Just because the Houthis say that their only problem is with Israel and if those pesky Jews would just go back to Europe everything in the Middle East would be fine and dandy doesn’t mean that it is true.
The Houthis are Iranian proxies and Iran’s goal is to establish itself as the dominant regional power in the Middle East. America’s presence in the region (which turns more around the protection of trade routes and the oil trade than anything having to do with Israel) is a thorn in their side. So the idea that you should really believe them when they say “just give us Israel and we’ll leave you alone” is about as believable as when Hitler told everyone “just give us the Sudetenland and we’ll leave you alone” or as Putin’s pronouncements that his goals in E. Europe are limited to the Donbas and Crimea.
As far as the Holy Land being safe for tourism without Israel, 1st of all keep in mind that the stability of Jordan itself is (secretly) safeguarded by Israel. A post-Israel Holy Land might more closely resemble modern day Damascus or Gaza City or Beirut, none of which is safe for Western tourism more than it would resemble the Aqaba that you visited. Without Israel, the Hashemites would surely be overthrown by their Palestinian majority and the Palestinians have not exactly demonstrated a genius for self rule.
OT but timely: At ca. 2:26 pm, or 1446 hours, local time today, Π Day will be π days away. But please double-check my arithmetic.
Also this weekend, someone at our church didn’t look at the calendar, inadvertently scheduling 39 hours of Adoration. That sounds positively Hitchcockian. Or at least Bennyesque.
Not sure what kind of pie to plan. Pi Day, like St Pat's, always falls in Lent, so savo(u)ry is preferred. Perhaps a venison pasty. Aldi pie crust makes the hard part easy, and comes out perfect with with an egg wash.
Bump is just writing: "It's Wednesday! Can you even believe that it used to be Tuesday? Back in the olden times of Tuesday, some people couldn't imagine it being Wednesday - or, perhaps they could, but they were those Tuesday sorts of people who couldn't get with the times of Wednesday! You know, there are even Tuesday types still around today, when it is nearly Thursday!"
A few years ago this was distilled on the internet in a series of memes themed "It's the Current Year!" It's a critique of the penchant of people with horn rimmed smart glasses like Bump to retort "It's 2024!" in response to a reasoned argument or request for social normality. You might say something like "Gee, the data on America's children is not good. They're falling behind educationally, emotionally, and socially compared with prior generations and exhibit symptoms of anxiety disorders at younger ages. Perhaps we should revisit the practice of young women prioritizing careers while their children are in their own tender years?" The response will be "It's 2024! [previously, It's 2023; It's 2022; It's 2021; It's 2020; It's 2019; It's 2018; It's 2017; It's 2016; and It's 2015]."
The main offender (who became the face of the meme) was fussy British nebbish John Oliver who used "It's [insert current year]!" often to summarily dismiss arguments and events. (He is one of a trend of foreigners hired by television programmers to insinuate themselves into American politics and to insult and heap humiliation on Americans on a nightly basis). The idea is that controversies are settled by the mere passage of time, that social change occurs without agency, and that one should feel social pressure and embarrassment for not intuiting the up to date zeitgeist.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122518/5252855-image.png
So the point of Bump's piece is not to refute the predictions of 1993 or the resultant disasters, but to heap derision on Tuesday for being Tuesday. Aren't you embarrassed that it was once Tuesday?Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar
A psychologist explains John Oliver’s show (and its Stewart and Colbert predecessors):
https://www.isegoria.net/2021/04/the-real-insidiousness-of-it-is-its-unmistakably-hypnotic-structure-and-pacing/The page linked at 4chan has been deleted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5d117k/anon_tells_the_story_of_john_oliver/There is an archive page here, but I do not see any way to recover the full conversation.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210324021211/xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5d117k/anon_tells_the_story_of_john_oliver/Looks like this is the original source. Search for insidiousness.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96600927/Replies: @Almost Missouri
One could write a similar article about climate change fear.
I don’t know – Minneapolis in 2020 looked pretty sacked to me.
I wonder if the people doing this know anything about the history of the “reeducation” idea?
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/us-news/fdny-boss-laura-kavanagh-hunts-down-staffers-who-booed-ny-ag-letitia-james-cheered-for-trump-at-promotion-ceremony/
He’s the man who joked that native Americans ought to be called “Siberian-Americans”. (I’m sure I read that at VDare.com some years ago, but search engines are increasingly useless it seems, so I’ve not been able to confirm it).Replies: @res, @Muggles
“Siberian-Americans” makes an interesting search term. On DDG I see about a half dozen hits. Nothing which looks like the original source gets a reference, but we do see this SPLC article. Funny how that works.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/social-contract-press
P.S. This is Henry’s book, right?
2. Weapons development! The first combat kills of the F-15 and F-16 were both IDF pilots. Our missile defense got real world testing in Israel.
Our military industrial complex is great at big expensive stuff. We aren’t so good at keeping costs down. Israel is, and our close R&D partnership is mutually beneficial.
3. Israel is a modern crusader state, keeping the Holy Land safe for pilgrims. The greatest Christian power has always recognized the moral obligation to keep the Holy Land out of the Dar al-Islam.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9193.png?v=1600720206Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @Wielgus, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright
Pixo’s post really is a treasure trove. I just noticed this gem.
666-1099: Holy Land supinely left in the hands of Islam.
1099-1291: (partially) reclaimed.
1291-1917: Holy Land supinely left in the hands of Islam.
1917-1948: reclaimed — well, as a mandate.
1948: surrendered again, this time to the Jews — although that wasn’t the plan.
So we’ve got 959 years it was surrendered to ‘Dar al-Islam;’ 299 years it was kept at least partially out of its hands.
‘Always’?
2. I spoke of “moral obligation” not actual control.Replies: @Art Deco
Remember that most of the world is not as free and prosperous as the United States. If one is concerned about helping the worst off, look beyond our borders. And surely, if so-called diversity is your interest, the rest of the world is far more diverse than just the U.S.
The course would not qualify as a diversity course because it was about the global poor and not about U.S. affirmative action categories. My friend dropped the proposal knowing that students had to rack up diversity courses and that a course about global welfare would not draw enough students. In other words, the diversity obsession is Americocentric.
Elsewhere, a syllabus on American ethnic political thought over time was rejected by the DEI review committee because (in veiled bureaucratic language) it didn't contain material disparaging white populations.Replies: @Richard B, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican
This is rapidly changing. In point of fact, I’ve been noticing that lately, we’ve been sliding from the old case where at least most people were well-off to the more usual situation, where a handful of rich sit atop a heaving mass of the poor. Most of us are fast becoming impoverished.
The Houthis are Iranian proxies and Iran's goal is to establish itself as the dominant regional power in the Middle East. America's presence in the region (which turns more around the protection of trade routes and the oil trade than anything having to do with Israel) is a thorn in their side. So the idea that you should really believe them when they say "just give us Israel and we'll leave you alone" is about as believable as when Hitler told everyone "just give us the Sudetenland and we'll leave you alone" or as Putin's pronouncements that his goals in E. Europe are limited to the Donbas and Crimea.
As far as the Holy Land being safe for tourism without Israel, 1st of all keep in mind that the stability of Jordan itself is (secretly) safeguarded by Israel. A post-Israel Holy Land might more closely resemble modern day Damascus or Gaza City or Beirut, none of which is safe for Western tourism more than it would resemble the Aqaba that you visited. Without Israel, the Hashemites would surely be overthrown by their Palestinian majority and the Palestinians have not exactly demonstrated a genius for self rule.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon
…and whoever had a hand in bringing that about?
https://i.postimg.cc/xTWwGG2v/John-Oliver-Show.pngReplies: @res
Thanks. There is a text version here for anyone who wants to extract the quote.
https://www.isegoria.net/2021/04/the-real-insidiousness-of-it-is-its-unmistakably-hypnotic-structure-and-pacing/
The page linked at 4chan has been deleted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5d117k/anon_tells_the_story_of_john_oliver/
There is an archive page here, but I do not see any way to recover the full conversation.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210324021211/xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5d117k/anon_tells_the_story_of_john_oliver/
Looks like this is the original source. Search for insidiousness.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96600927/
Can I ask how you found those?
My understanding of 4chan is that it has no archives by design. It was sort of the web's Snapchat before Snapchat made deliberate ephemerality cool.Replies: @res
After all, none of the next generations set in stone the worship of Israel and the selling out of pure bred corn-fed Americans.
When we were born it was a done deal we were sold out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COM30dMHBVI
It disgusts me the sell out of NSW my home state in the face of Koalas wiped out, but we have to have multi-million street shitters upon a bajillion asians.
Fuck you and fuck every politician who brought this in I hope to see you hang
(*Note: I don't blame Steve for this and nor do I hope to see him hang like I do my polticians who sold us out)Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Ralph L
Why do you blame Boomers for things that began when they were young and far from the levers of power and influence? Only a few could even vote in the 60s, and none in the ’64 election that really changed things for the worse in the US, from the debt bomb of elder benefits to immigration. I doubt Australia was far behind the rest of the West in heading down the tubes. Am I wrong?
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Jeff Davis should have thought of this tactic 105 years earlier.
Thanks A.M.
That DEI courses must be about American affirmative action categories, and can never be about the global poor or cultures well outside America, betrays its profoundly narcissistic origins.
Not complicated–they are parasites, welfare parasites.
Ok, Pixo may trot in here and say “they produce Jews”. But there is a big demographic group–obviously I’m not the go to on such matters–in Israel who are religiously observant, have traditional families with solid 3+ fertility, are economically productive and patriotic, inc. military service. They are the sort of people you want producing your next generation.
In contrast, these Haredim are another parasite minority. Net leeches on the society–do not produce/serve to pull their weight … and rapidly growing! And like minority privileges given in America … once given, they are hard to take back. Same story–minorities are not entitled to special privileges and you should not give them any.
Shhh. It’s a Katze joke.
No the “exactly one serious issue, here & now” is immigration–esp. the demographic deluge at the border. People need to be hollering about that 24x7x365 regardless of any “blob” attempts to stifle it.
Demographic swamping enables the minoritarian “blob”–that’s the reason for it, beyond sheer hatred of flyover whites and their American nation. If you insist on trying to somehow fix “the blob”‘s censorship, before stopping the deluge, you’ll be living in a South African style dystopia … and of course still have censorship.
Of course it’s untrue. If you were going to devise a situation that would place Jews in as vulnerable position as possible, you couldn’t come up with something more suited to the purpose than Israel.
You’ve plopped yourself in a strip of semidesert lacking the resources to support more than a fraction of the current population, alienated all your neighbors, ensured the surviving native population will hate you for all eternity, lost the good will of most of the planet, and left yourself dependent on the continuing support of a notoriously fickle people in a state that is rapidly losing its ability to control events or to help anyone.
What did you miss?
You just love this weird stuff Johnny?
Brigitte Macron is obviously a woman (she has three kids, tough for trannies)–a reasonably attractive one for her age. It’s just that she would be a suitable companion for someone Trump’s age. (Baking cookies for her grandchildren.) And ridiculously unsuitable for someone Macron’s age–who is ergo another one of these childless Western leaders (think Merkle) with no sense of lineage, destroying the West.
Her she is stroking Trump’s “shovel”.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651531/Emmnauel-Brigitte-Macron-grandly-welcomed-White-House.html
Here is the caption: "French first lady Brigitte Macron (right) leans in and grabs President Trump's shovel as he plants a sapling that was a gift from the French"
More shovel photos further down the page. Including a wider version of that one taken from a different angle (or the first was Photoshopped?). Also a video.Replies: @Mike Tre
One of the very few things the Ukraine, and/or the UK’s Royal Navy, have managed to get right lately is targeting large ships with high-speed remotely controlled naval drones. Of course, this is extremely bad news for the US, it’s pointing back to what Alfred tried to tell a Kaiser. It raises the question of why UK drone pilots in Ukrainian pyjamas can take out multiple Russian boats but meet so much embarassment by the Gate of Lamentation, especially given this, from Ellis Items:
How much longer will it remain happy?
He’s a bit like our commenter HA – totally devoted to “the system” and driven crazy by people not believing every word of Today’s Message.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/29/washington-post-stands-by-philip-bumps-false-claims-on-lafayette-park-and-other-disproven-claims/
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/09/01/you-dont-listen-to-the-press-im-telling-you-washington-post-columnist-philip-bump-strikes-out-at-those-who-question-prior-false-claims/
These people are a cancer.
This concluding paragraph in the WaPo Phillip Bump essay today is correctly followed by an iSteve reaction comment “Huh?”
While Bump’s concluding words “still permitted to hold” might be a lame attempt at sarcasm about “overblown” fears of censorship, it seems also a double edged sward of menace.
As in “still permitted (by whom?) to hold” today.
This also begs the real question, how,when and where are some opinions not permitted? Such as in mainstream media “reporting”, publishing houses, nearly all of official academia and in public schools and major Woke corporations.
In his throwaway snark, Bump simply ignores and dismisses the thousands of people who have been fired, demoted, pushed out, held back from advancement or rejected for employment or academic advancement by having the “wrong” opinion and expressing that.
“Worries about PC fascism” are just fantasy, Bump snarks.
Tell that to the thousands whose comments have been removed or cancelled on social media outlets and purposely deranked or hidden. And the worst effect? The millions of others who, like in any authoritarian environment, are intimidated by known punishments into staying silent, quiet and meekly obedient to the Thought Controllers.
The documented absence of conservative, right wing, libertarian or merely dissident university faculty members is evidence of this. Or journalists and opinion columnists in major media outlets.
With straight faces, Communist stooges in China and elsewhere are found claiming freedom of expression. Yet some expression is never seen. Those who try to do so are shipped off to herd goats in Mongolia.
Bump is a lackey. He serves his Master until he is no longer useful. Let’s hope that’s soon…
I remember that Time magazine cover. I was 20 years old and I saw the writing on the wall. I thought about it and came to the conclusion that nothing could be done about non-whites already here but we needed to turn off the fuel supply to this stuff, (ie end non-white immigration).
Instead we greatly accelerated despite several opportunities to severely restrict it. Now we’re stomping on the gas pedal as the cliff’s edge quickly approaches.
Jonathan Turley! That’s the other guy I was trying to think of! Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, and Jonathan Turley, and Michael Tracey are examples of smart, honest, worth-following people who somehow are still left-of-center but they refuse the currentyear Overton Window slam. Turley like Greenwald is an authority on law (Con prof, like Hewitt?) who thinks that becoming China in order to fight China stinks.
Túl öreg vagyok ahhoz, hogy megtanuljak magyarul.Replies: @HFR
“Túl öreg vagyok ahhoz, hogy megtanuljak magyarul.”
Do you also comment as Magyar/Orvos/Diak/Ferfi/Idiota/OrbanStan/…and many more?
He’s been quiet lately, I think. But maybe not, since I tend to lose focus after about 100 comments.
my real name.
Buckley never lived in DC and his writers stuck a stiletto into the Birchers because they were nuts. Christopher Buckley actually did live in DC for a time; he’s notable for having no interest in any of his father’s political projects.
The goal of all this is to keep the money flowing to the Military-Industrial Complex. The MIC and the various other special interest groups have driven the national debt to 34 trillion dollars. The parasites will keep feeding on the host until the host is dead and then they die too. They are too stupid to stop before that.Replies: @HA, @notbe mk 2, @Art Deco
https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/large/mw89695/Enoch-Powell.jpg
“ Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen.”Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Art Deco, @Anon
Powell’s rivers-of-blood speech was a whinge about West Indians. The challenges Britain faces do not come from that quarter.
That is definitely about Pakis. West Indians are not big on cousin marriages.
And in this case, you did not do your Art Deco research because you are clearly wrong. It is not "a winge about West Indians".
It is about
-- immigration
-- minoritarianism
-- the responsibility of leaders to their citizens
Try reading it:
https://www.ibtimes.com/enoch-powells-rivers-blood-speech-full-text-290675Replies: @Art Deco
The universities and agencies are totally incestuous. Bill and Hillary were pegged as CIA before she left Chicago; most "radical thinkers" (Saul Alinsky, eg) were agency. The CIA protects who? Not patriots. From the inception of the Federal Reserve through the creation of ALL the agencies there was no deviation from their billionaire leftwing path to globalism.
This makes for some odd moments. After WWII it was the Soviets who backed nationalist self-rule, usually seen as right-wing populism. And Hillary's "We came, we saw, he died." Huh? Worthy of Pol Pot, not Thomas Jefferson. But from a CIA baby? Normal.Replies: @Art Deco
You’re talking about the agency which promoted Aldrich Ames 3x.
Brigitte Macron is obviously a woman (she has three kids, tough for trannies)--a reasonably attractive one for her age. It's just that she would be a suitable companion for someone Trump's age. (Baking cookies for her grandchildren.) And ridiculously unsuitable for someone Macron's age--who is ergo another one of these childless Western leaders (think Merkle) with no sense of lineage, destroying the West.
Her she is stroking Trump's "shovel".
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/23/23/4B790FD200000578-5649185-image-m-42_1524522840576.jpgReplies: @res, @QCIC
That image is real?!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651531/Emmnauel-Brigitte-Macron-grandly-welcomed-White-House.html
Here is the caption: “French first lady Brigitte Macron (right) leans in and grabs President Trump’s shovel as he plants a sapling that was a gift from the French”
More shovel photos further down the page. Including a wider version of that one taken from a different angle (or the first was Photoshopped?). Also a video.
https://i0.wp.com/www.goodtimes.com.pk/gtmain/uploads/2017/05/%E2%80%9CA-perfect-young-man%E2%80%9D.jpg
https://cdn-s-www.bienpublic.com/images/42b277f3-995c-4c31-b2a0-cba537909d5b/NW_raw/afp-1538328600.jpg
He’s the man who joked that native Americans ought to be called “Siberian-Americans”. (I’m sure I read that at VDare.com some years ago, but search engines are increasingly useless it seems, so I’ve not been able to confirm it).Replies: @res, @Muggles
Well, I’m continuing that here, often.
It is accurate per the DNA (though some minor controversy about possible Pacific Islander or African arrivals, but no DNA evidence).
While the earliest European explorers thought the Americas were “India” and called the inhabitants “Indians” that was clearly wrong.
So American “Indians” are Siberian Americans just like most Whites are European Americans (plus the MENA Americans). Asian and African Americans are likewise identified by their former ancestral homelands. DNA suggests that Siberians are a mix of Mongols and eastern Europeans.
There is nothing wrong or incorrect about this. Siberian Americans are in much better shape than the actual Siberians, who have been decimated by alcohol and Russian mis-rule.
No. The sacking continues in large scale Democrat controlled “inner city” areas of Chicago, Baltimore, New York, Atlanta, New Orleans, Los Angeles, San Francisco/Oakland, Minneapolis, Milwaukee and others.
These events can sometimes even be viewed on television with a chirpy female reporterette proclaiming “these are mostly peaceful protests” with fires burning buildings and black smoke in the background.
A conservative is anyone who tries to conserve that which twenty years earlier, liberals were promoting and conservatives were opposing.
Buckley said in the fifties that we had to put off reducing the size of government until after we had defeated the Soviet Union. After that happened, though, we replaced the Marxist menace with the Islamic menace. Now it has switched over to Putin is the new Hitler and if we do not stop him in the Ukraine eventually he will be invading Alaska.
The goal of all this is to keep the money flowing to the Military-Industrial Complex. The MIC and the various other special interest groups have driven the national debt to 34 trillion dollars. The parasites will keep feeding on the host until the host is dead and then they die too. They are too stupid to stop before that.
What an absolute retard William F Buckley was
The share of the male population in uniform is as low as it has been since 1940.
==Replies: @Mr. Anon
So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen.
That is definitely about Pakis. West Indians are not big on cousin marriages.
OT – Criminal justice reform advocate who was “turning his life around” arrested for murder after a human head was found in his freezer:
You couldn’t make this stuff up. But with New York City, you don’t have to.
https://youtu.be/YNRf7Dg0lMg?si=V9wFoJ4uKtEcdiKJ
Maybe Jeffrey Epstein wasn’t the only paedophile that Israel had whacked!
The Houthis are Iranian proxies and Iran's goal is to establish itself as the dominant regional power in the Middle East. America's presence in the region (which turns more around the protection of trade routes and the oil trade than anything having to do with Israel) is a thorn in their side. So the idea that you should really believe them when they say "just give us Israel and we'll leave you alone" is about as believable as when Hitler told everyone "just give us the Sudetenland and we'll leave you alone" or as Putin's pronouncements that his goals in E. Europe are limited to the Donbas and Crimea.
As far as the Holy Land being safe for tourism without Israel, 1st of all keep in mind that the stability of Jordan itself is (secretly) safeguarded by Israel. A post-Israel Holy Land might more closely resemble modern day Damascus or Gaza City or Beirut, none of which is safe for Western tourism more than it would resemble the Aqaba that you visited. Without Israel, the Hashemites would surely be overthrown by their Palestinian majority and the Palestinians have not exactly demonstrated a genius for self rule.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon
By the same token: The fact that Israel is constantly kvetching about genocide and being swept away by its Arab neighbors, or Iran being one year away from having a nuclear weapon (which they have been for over twenty years now) or that they are “America’s best ally”………………….should all that be taken with a large discount too?
But check this out:https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-342024-rifts-in-bibis-camp?utm_campaign=email-post&r=17kl51&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
https://archive.is/qkdTQ
FREAKIN LASERS!Replies: @Jack D
OTOH, it doesn't mean that you should attach NO value to their words either. Maybe they are exaggerating somewhat but not totally.
The MSM has this game where they take everything Trump (and Trump alone) says literally (Trump says he might not protect NATO allies!) . They know not to take him at face value either but they play this game where they take him literally so that they can call him an "extremist". Everyone else can be understood to be speaking metaphorically but when Trump speaks you are required to assume that he literally means every word, even taken out of context.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon
Iranian politics was always complex so its unlikely the above two who were recently dropped off in Iran and lacking language skills knew enough to be the prime instigators Look at what happened in 1979, by that time the CIA in Iran was much, much larger and better funded and organized than in 1953 yet it was absolutely confused about what was happening In fact, the CIA told Jimmy Carter in 1978 that the Shah was secure for about the next thirty years and many of the CIA assets were actually revolutionaries
What likely happened in 1953 was that CIA was kept informed by the actual plotters and provided dollars but after the success of the coup took immediate credit for it so as to impress MI5 and Ike and to provide an aura of competence worldwide Increased funding due to supposed results covered up actual limitations and incompetence
A further aspect, the CIA backed the Shah because..well his second wife was hot and had a vivacious personality so... yeah the US backed him up whereas they usually dropped kings like hot potatoes She was the repository of the secret boyish fantasies CIA case officers had about her (don't underestimate the power that secret juvenile fantasies have in moving the world- case in point, ladies and gentlemen I give you...the Neocons)
It all backfired because the second time around in '79 the revolutionaries emphasized isolating the CIA from the facts on the ground Like I said, a great many of the informants in the country were actually double agents working for the Ayatollah In fact, the Ayatollah made sure the CIA thought of him as an asset "the blasphemous unbelieving fools.....hahahaha (best Dr Evil laugh)"Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous
One thing to factor in on the catastrophic Human Intelligence failures under Carter is that he came into office with the then Leftist conventional wisdom that that part of the CIA had to be destroyed, see for example the Church Committee. So he appointed Admiral Stansfield Turner as its head, who Wikipedia accurately says:
If the US was flying blind in Iran in 1979 it was completely intended. And, yes, the Left’s recent 180 on the CIA is a sight to behold … although thinking deeper, it’s all about who’s being targeted.
Might also fast forward to Obama who’s number one foreign policy objective was to “fix” Carter’s Iran mistakes, and we’re told plenty of Obama retreads working for “Biden” are favoring Iran and its proxies in the current unpleasantness in the Middle East.
Not that I think Clown World has the stomach to properly deal with the Houthi pirates, and I wonder about how many naval SAMs are being used up with no prospect for quick replacement. That’s utterly bottle necked by the rate at which rocket engines can be procured by the one remaining approved US vendor. Could be mightily convenient for the PRC in due course….
Now of course the huge amount of bribery of westerners cannot ever be mentioned because it destroys the image that we westerners have created for ourselves but the fact this was going on can be deducted from the absolutely sweet reports coming from western analysts, journalists and politicos Like in all such cases (Epstein comes to mind) this cannot really be traced only deducted but sometimes tawdry facts leaked out Barbara Walters did an interview with the Shah and his hot third wife (the Shah may have been a collector of hotties but the romantic loves of his life were middle-aged men, truly a weird man) Well just before the interview Baba Wawa was seen sporting an expensive Iranian turquoise necklace Just guess how many softball questions our top journalist of the time asked
They are merely the 2nd worst migrants behind Pakistanis?
OT — Holy cow, I had no idea. BDSM works during this sort of thing? Or is this the Houthis, or is it America finally treating our Greatest Ally the way we normally treat our normal allies?
https://www.rt.com/business/592698-israel-economy-contraction-hamas-war/
This is a shock rather than a trend and it is stupid to emphasize the annualized number.Replies: @notbe mk 2
Remember that most of the world is not as free and prosperous as the United States. If one is concerned about helping the worst off, look beyond our borders. And surely, if so-called diversity is your interest, the rest of the world is far more diverse than just the U.S.
The course would not qualify as a diversity course because it was about the global poor and not about U.S. affirmative action categories. My friend dropped the proposal knowing that students had to rack up diversity courses and that a course about global welfare would not draw enough students. In other words, the diversity obsession is Americocentric.
Elsewhere, a syllabus on American ethnic political thought over time was rejected by the DEI review committee because (in veiled bureaucratic language) it didn't contain material disparaging white populations.Replies: @Richard B, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Please post the syllabus and the rejection language. It would be worthy of a top-level post by Steve.
3. Given the fact that Jews think Christ was a false prophet I doubt whether this is a consideration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Kreuznach
A German town I have visited, which historically had a significant Jewish population. Note that the article mentions that pious Jews referred to the town as “Image Place” because they did not want to use the name Kreuz or “cross”.
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Also in Israel, activity to the north and south: Israel has promised to launch a new operation in Gaza just in time to celebrate Ramadan, and Hizbullah has repulsed a possible skirmish attempt in the Golan Heights.Replies: @Pixo
Some might think that, though despite their massive media power I can’t recall any Jewish propaganda against the truth of the gospels. The closest thing is generic atheism by ethnic Jews.
Personally I do believe in the divinity of Jesus.Replies: @Colin Wright
There is not a single coherent sentence in the entire piece, no sentence that can stand-alone make sense. Every sentence is an oblique reference to some other reference about something or other. Like seventh grade girls passing notes to one another concerning a note one of them passed two weeks ago.
Name five opinions that people were permitted to hold 30 years ago but aren’t permitted to hold today.
The issue is what opinions people may hold and publicly, openly express without punishment, firing, demotion, arrest, Internet cancellation, kicked out of schools and colleges, censored on Social Media and suffer legal repercussions in various ways.
You can still (always) think "dangerous thoughts" as long as they stay inside your head...
Bump's use of "permitted" assumes someone, somehow, is in control of your destiny. Not simply private thought.Replies: @Corvinus
Blacks sacked American cities through the course of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. It is euphemistically termed “White flight.”
It is accurate per the DNA (though some minor controversy about possible Pacific Islander or African arrivals, but no DNA evidence).
While the earliest European explorers thought the Americas were "India" and called the inhabitants "Indians" that was clearly wrong.
So American "Indians" are Siberian Americans just like most Whites are European Americans (plus the MENA Americans). Asian and African Americans are likewise identified by their former ancestral homelands. DNA suggests that Siberians are a mix of Mongols and eastern Europeans.
There is nothing wrong or incorrect about this. Siberian Americans are in much better shape than the actual Siberians, who have been decimated by alcohol and Russian mis-rule.Replies: @Anon
American Indians are “Asians,” or, if you wish to get more specific, “East Asians”. We already have terms for them. There’s no point in inventing new, oddball terminology, unless you are needing to get more granular and make distinctions at the level of, for example, “Koreans” and “Japanese”.
This population in the Americas has always been called "Indians", which is a group of people living in the Asian subcontinent. As I previously noted, this was based on a mistaken notion of where the early European explorers had landed.
So these "Asians" have always been (mis-described) with some specificity. Columbus didn't call them "Asians" either. They are not from "East Asia" but "North Asia" and not genetically related at all to other "East Asians."
Not from India, but Siberia. We don't just called them "Siberians" since that would confuse the issue with actual modern location (like "dot" Indians versus "feather" Indians), still a source of confusion in current usage.
The only "oddball" terminology in use is calling them "Indians."
Perhaps "Siberian Americans" will be slow to catch on. But the current Woke fad is to label them "indigenous" which they are not. They are fairly recent arrivals (circa 35,000 years or so) from a much older but small foundation population.
In modern Asia, they are normally referred to as Siberians to distinguish them from other Asian groups.Replies: @Anon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Kreuznach
A German town I have visited, which historically had a significant Jewish population. Note that the article mentions that pious Jews referred to the town as "Image Place" because they did not want to use the name Kreuz or "cross".Replies: @J.Ross, @Pixo
In Israel, arithmetic is taught with a bottomless cross, like an inverted “T,” so as to not use a cross.
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Also in Israel, activity to the north and south: Israel has promised to launch a new operation in Gaza just in time to celebrate Ramadan, and Hizbullah has repulsed a possible skirmish attempt in the Golan Heights.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651531/Emmnauel-Brigitte-Macron-grandly-welcomed-White-House.html
Here is the caption: "French first lady Brigitte Macron (right) leans in and grabs President Trump's shovel as he plants a sapling that was a gift from the French"
More shovel photos further down the page. Including a wider version of that one taken from a different angle (or the first was Photoshopped?). Also a video.Replies: @Mike Tre
I think it’s pretty obvious that Brigitte is a beard, to make Macron a more viable product:
Are there any Missouri French left?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language_in_Minnesota
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskrat_French
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_place_names_of_French_origin_in_the_United_States
The latest Simplicius is about Israel, not Russia (as would be usual), and it’s completely mindblowing. It is now possible that American terrorist forces will depart Syria and Iraq!
But check this out:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-342024-rifts-in-bibis-camp?utm_campaign=email-post&r=17kl51&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
https://archive.is/qkdTQ
FREAKIN LASERS!
The goal of all this is to keep the money flowing to the Military-Industrial Complex. The MIC and the various other special interest groups have driven the national debt to 34 trillion dollars. The parasites will keep feeding on the host until the host is dead and then they die too. They are too stupid to stop before that.Replies: @HA, @notbe mk 2, @Art Deco
“Buckley said in the fifties that we had to put off reducing the size of government until after we had defeated the Soviet Union. After that happened, though, we replaced the Marxist menace with the Islamic menace. Now it has switched over to Putin…”
Yeah, sure — we just kept shoveling the same or even larger portions of our GDP into the military after the cold war petered out, and it just keeps rising and rising threatening to swallow up our GDP entirely.
You keep telling yourself that, just like the one about how no one, least of all Trump, wants to admit having had anything to do with those discredited mRNA vaccines. It still isn’t gonna make it true.
In the fifties, we were the leading industrial power on the planet. Now our industrial base has been hollowed out. In the fifties we did not have a 34 trillion dollar national debt. We do now. In the fifties we had a much younger population. Now we have an old population that will need increasing levels of medical care. There is a sixty trillion dollar shortfall in Social Security and Medicare over the next thirty years. In the fifties we did not have a large welfare dependent population. We do now. We can no longer afford an interventionist foreign policy. We are a nation in serious decline.Replies: @HA
Brigitte Macron is obviously a woman (she has three kids, tough for trannies)--a reasonably attractive one for her age. It's just that she would be a suitable companion for someone Trump's age. (Baking cookies for her grandchildren.) And ridiculously unsuitable for someone Macron's age--who is ergo another one of these childless Western leaders (think Merkle) with no sense of lineage, destroying the West.
Her she is stroking Trump's "shovel".
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/23/23/4B790FD200000578-5649185-image-m-42_1524522840576.jpgReplies: @res, @QCIC
How would we know if she is a hermaphrodite? That is not any of our business, but is potentially interesting as part of a larger perspective.
In terms of today’s dollars, we were spending 450 billion dollars a year on the military in the fifties, half of what we spend now. That was enough to meet the Soviet threat then. We do not need to spend double that now.
In the fifties, we were the leading industrial power on the planet. Now our industrial base has been hollowed out. In the fifties we did not have a 34 trillion dollar national debt. We do now. In the fifties we had a much younger population. Now we have an old population that will need increasing levels of medical care. There is a sixty trillion dollar shortfall in Social Security and Medicare over the next thirty years. In the fifties we did not have a large welfare dependent population. We do now. We can no longer afford an interventionist foreign policy. We are a nation in serious decline.
Au contraire!
This population in the Americas has always been called “Indians”, which is a group of people living in the Asian subcontinent. As I previously noted, this was based on a mistaken notion of where the early European explorers had landed.
So these “Asians” have always been (mis-described) with some specificity. Columbus didn’t call them “Asians” either. They are not from “East Asia” but “North Asia” and not genetically related at all to other “East Asians.”
Not from India, but Siberia. We don’t just called them “Siberians” since that would confuse the issue with actual modern location (like “dot” Indians versus “feather” Indians), still a source of confusion in current usage.
The only “oddball” terminology in use is calling them “Indians.”
Perhaps “Siberian Americans” will be slow to catch on. But the current Woke fad is to label them “indigenous” which they are not. They are fairly recent arrivals (circa 35,000 years or so) from a much older but small foundation population.
In modern Asia, they are normally referred to as Siberians to distinguish them from other Asian groups.
American Indians are immigrants from Asia, and immigrants from Asia are referred to as “Asians”. just like Koreans and Japanese and Indians and Vietnamese are. Therefore, we should group American Indians in the “Asians” category. If you want to distinguish them from subcons, you can call them “East Asians” or “Mongoloids”.Replies: @epebble, @Muggles
If I say, 'I'm going to sue you,' that implies a whole different place than if I say, I'm going to have your son killed.'
So if Josef -- however much purely as a negotiating tactic -- says, 'we'll leave Israel', that implies a certain conditional quality to 'Israeli' patriotism.
After all, you haven't moved there yourself. The place is like an RV -- nice to have, but not actually a necessity.
That's one of the most obscene things about it. All the cruelty, and all the injustice, and all the misery, and all the expense -- and it really doesn't need to exist at all.
Sell the RV. You'll be happier -- and so will everyone else.Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad
The Jews of E. Europe sold their RV and it didn’t turn out well. You’ll have to forgive Jews if they don’t believe you this time. I’ll bet you would have plenty of crocodile tears for them if it all went wrong.
I thought that was the accusation against the Jews of the West – that they were just visiting and not really rooted there? I guess Jews are just rootless cosmopolitans and deserve to be erased from the earth because they don’t belong anywhere. Or maybe a certain segment of Jews always keep a suitcase packed because they know how quickly it can all go wrong.
In 1967, we had an unexpected visitor from Israel on the farm – one of my father’s concentration camp buddies. He heard that there was a war coming and he got out of dodge. He wasn’t going to see this show again since he had barely survived the last performance. Was he wrong? Was he not brave? I was a little kid but I could see the fear in his eyes and I do not blame him. But he was not a typical Israeli. After 10/7 the planes between Tel Aviv and NY were full. Full of Israelis going BACK to fight for their country.
Does Yosef look like a typical Israeli to you? He is about of representative of the average Israeli as Warren Jeffs speaks for the average American. His thinking tells you very little about how typical Israelis think. If Warren Jeffs says that his followers are all going to be raptured when the time comes, does that mean that there is a certain conditional quality to ‘American’ patriotism?
Nice try.
The issue is what opinions people may hold and publicly, openly express without punishment, firing, demotion, arrest, Internet cancellation, kicked out of schools and colleges, censored on Social Media and suffer legal repercussions in various ways.
You can still (always) think “dangerous thoughts” as long as they stay inside your head…
Bump’s use of “permitted” assumes someone, somehow, is in control of your destiny. Not simply private thought.
“The issue is what opinions people may hold and publicly, openly express without punishment, firing, demotion, arrest, Internet cancellation, kicked out of schools and colleges, censored on Social Media and suffer legal repercussions in various ways.”
Free speech has never been free, and there are consequences, positive and negative, for speaking one’s mind. Always has been, always will be.
Of course, if one believes there right to free speech has been violated, say in a workplace, then get a lawyer to find out if you have a case.Replies: @Colin Wright
https://www.rt.com/business/592698-israel-economy-contraction-hamas-war/Replies: @Pixo, @a Newsreader
Israel’s GDP did not decline 20%. It declined for one quarter at a 20% annualized rate, or 5%.
This is a shock rather than a trend and it is stupid to emphasize the annualized number.
In the fifties, we were the leading industrial power on the planet. Now our industrial base has been hollowed out. In the fifties we did not have a 34 trillion dollar national debt. We do now. In the fifties we had a much younger population. Now we have an old population that will need increasing levels of medical care. There is a sixty trillion dollar shortfall in Social Security and Medicare over the next thirty years. In the fifties we did not have a large welfare dependent population. We do now. We can no longer afford an interventionist foreign policy. We are a nation in serious decline.Replies: @HA
“In terms of today’s dollars, we were spending 450 billion dollars a year on the military in the fifties, half of what we spend now.”
Weird how spending gets translated into “today’s dollars”, but GDP somehow gets overlooked.
I.e., the graph I presented is a lot more honest about what’s going on here than you are.
I have no problem paying down the debt. I think that’s a great idea. But stop pretending that giving “the Ukraine” what it needs to prevent Russia from hastening our serious decline even further is preventing that in any way.
This is just the flipside of when Moscow was telling so-called “peace activists” who they were financing and directing to keep prattling about how many school lunches a B-1 bomber could pay for, though as the graph noted, we were indeed shelling out a lot more for bombers and other such trinkets back then. I’m not eager to let Russia become enough of a threat to where we need to be doing that again, which is why I’d prefer to stop to their USSR 2.0 venture now.
But at least many of the peace activists were sincere about wanting more funding for school lunches. You and the Marjorie Taylor Greenes of the world who pretend our aid to Ukraine is preventing us from spending more on mental health or whatever else you pretend to care about seem strangely unwilling to be in favor of doing anything about that when Ukraine isn’t being discussed.
Similarly, my hunch is that when we finally do get serious about the debt, and cutting down on payments that benefit you, you’ll decide that, on second thought, we can put that off until you’re dead and buried.
Your hunch is wrong. I am advocating cutting spending on the military right now and I work for the military. The problem is not so much the Ukraine aid by itself but the exaggeration of foreign threats to justify spending almost a trillion dollars yearly on the military. We spend as much on our military as the next several nations in GDP combined.
If they let go half of all DoD workers I do not think I would be one because my management has a high opinion of me. I am also well past my retirement age so they save money by not paying me a pension.
Things are getting worse for average Americans. Half of all Americans have wages of 40 thousand dollars yearly or less. Household and credit card debt are at record levels. Polls show a majority of Americans want a negotiated end to the Ukraine war. They do not want to keep sending money to the corrupt dictator Zelensky.Replies: @HA
If I say, 'I'm going to sue you,' that implies a whole different place than if I say, I'm going to have your son killed.'
So if Josef -- however much purely as a negotiating tactic -- says, 'we'll leave Israel', that implies a certain conditional quality to 'Israeli' patriotism.
After all, you haven't moved there yourself. The place is like an RV -- nice to have, but not actually a necessity.
That's one of the most obscene things about it. All the cruelty, and all the injustice, and all the misery, and all the expense -- and it really doesn't need to exist at all.
Sell the RV. You'll be happier -- and so will everyone else.Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad
Huh? Israel isn’t the Jews RV, it’s them–well some of them–giving up the RV and building a house.
For example, in the immediate wake of World War Two, Britain and the United States, aware of the enormous number of Jewish displaced persons, drew up a scheme to settle a million each in the United States and the countries of the British Commonwealth.
The Zionists got wind of that and nipped it in the bud. Oh no: the Jews had to go to Palestine.
Similar shenanigans led to the Jews of Iraq, Egypt, and Morocco winding up in Israel. Yemen, Iran, Tunisia, Russia...all these Jewish populations only ended up in Israel because the Zionists arranged for them to have no choice.
Absent such manipulations, Israel never would have come into being. There would have been at most a few hundred thousand Jewish emigrants to the place.
It IS the RV in the driveway. The Jews don't have to have it; those with an authentic choice don't even want it. Jewish emigration from the US, Western Europe, et al has never been more than a trickle.
It's no more their home than it is yours or mine.
Remember that most of the world is not as free and prosperous as the United States. If one is concerned about helping the worst off, look beyond our borders. And surely, if so-called diversity is your interest, the rest of the world is far more diverse than just the U.S.
The course would not qualify as a diversity course because it was about the global poor and not about U.S. affirmative action categories. My friend dropped the proposal knowing that students had to rack up diversity courses and that a course about global welfare would not draw enough students. In other words, the diversity obsession is Americocentric.
Elsewhere, a syllabus on American ethnic political thought over time was rejected by the DEI review committee because (in veiled bureaucratic language) it didn't contain material disparaging white populations.Replies: @Richard B, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican
I’m glad your friend dropped the proposal.
It sounds like he was promoting “global development” benefitting the “global poor”. It does not benefit Whites to have the dumb uglies comprising the “global poor” to be breeding, consuming, and ‘migrating’. For most of the global human biomass, no-growth and de-growth (not the political movements—just the literal concepts) is the way to go.
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Also in Israel, activity to the north and south: Israel has promised to launch a new operation in Gaza just in time to celebrate Ramadan, and Hizbullah has repulsed a possible skirmish attempt in the Golan Heights.Replies: @Pixo
“ Hizbullah has repulsed ”
The Gaza campaign is practice and a public demonstration about the next war. Will it be Jordan, the West Bank, Syria or South Lebanon that gets Gaza’d next? Probably none of them, as they see the result of provoking the Lion of Judah.
The issue is what opinions people may hold and publicly, openly express without punishment, firing, demotion, arrest, Internet cancellation, kicked out of schools and colleges, censored on Social Media and suffer legal repercussions in various ways.
You can still (always) think "dangerous thoughts" as long as they stay inside your head...
Bump's use of "permitted" assumes someone, somehow, is in control of your destiny. Not simply private thought.Replies: @Corvinus
So, name five opinions that people were permitted to hold 30 years ago but aren’t permitted to hold today
“The issue is what opinions people may hold and publicly, openly express without punishment, firing, demotion, arrest, Internet cancellation, kicked out of schools and colleges, censored on Social Media and suffer legal repercussions in various ways.”
Free speech has never been free, and there are consequences, positive and negative, for speaking one’s mind. Always has been, always will be.
Of course, if one believes there right to free speech has been violated, say in a workplace, then get a lawyer to find out if you have a case.
He got some decidedly disapproving looks -- but no one called for him to be fired that I know of.
Hard to see that happening today. Actually, my daughter related to me how one professor cautiously observed that Putin seemed to be a pretty canny leader. The class's self-appointed moral censors promptly called him out.
Remember the government official who said 'niggardly'? Wasn't he fired?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Corvinus, @Corvinus
? Emigrating to the US was a bad idea?
“The issue is what opinions people may hold and publicly, openly express without punishment, firing, demotion, arrest, Internet cancellation, kicked out of schools and colleges, censored on Social Media and suffer legal repercussions in various ways.”
Free speech has never been free, and there are consequences, positive and negative, for speaking one’s mind. Always has been, always will be.
Of course, if one believes there right to free speech has been violated, say in a workplace, then get a lawyer to find out if you have a case.Replies: @Colin Wright
Au contraire. I can recall an English professor around 1980 waxing eloquent on the innate sexual awareness of pre-pubescent girls.
He got some decidedly disapproving looks — but no one called for him to be fired that I know of.
Hard to see that happening today. Actually, my daughter related to me how one professor cautiously observed that Putin seemed to be a pretty canny leader. The class’s self-appointed moral censors promptly called him out.
Remember the government official who said ‘niggardly’? Wasn’t he fired?
Who? Where? If you’re going to make a point, be specific.
“Actually, my daughter related to me how one professor cautiously observed that Putin seemed to be a pretty canny leader.”
Pics or it never happened—Steve Sailer
“Remember the government official who said ‘niggardly’? Wasn’t he fired?”
Jim Quinlisk, who teaches at Brighton High School in Monroe County, returned to his position in January after being suspended with pay for the first half of the 2019-2020 school year WROC-TV reported. The State Education Department Division of Employer-Employee Relations ruled that termination of employment was “not the appropriate penalty in this case," but did find Quinlisk guilty of five charges brought against him in a complaint by a student. He was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine.
So you gave me two vague references and an anecdote. Do better.Replies: @AceDeuce
https://www.threads.net/@don.moyn/post/C4Tyt_fPN3n
https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/large/mw89695/Enoch-Powell.jpg
“ Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen.”Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Irish Romantic Christian, @Art Deco, @Anon
What was Powell referring to? Was the concern that an unmarried immigrant would move to Britain and then marry a resident of a foreign country or that the immigrant would then marry a resident of Britain?
No — Israel is a luxury, an affectation. The only reason many Jews are there at all is because the Zionists maneuvered to leave them no choice to go there.
For example, in the immediate wake of World War Two, Britain and the United States, aware of the enormous number of Jewish displaced persons, drew up a scheme to settle a million each in the United States and the countries of the British Commonwealth.
The Zionists got wind of that and nipped it in the bud. Oh no: the Jews had to go to Palestine.
Similar shenanigans led to the Jews of Iraq, Egypt, and Morocco winding up in Israel. Yemen, Iran, Tunisia, Russia…all these Jewish populations only ended up in Israel because the Zionists arranged for them to have no choice.
Absent such manipulations, Israel never would have come into being. There would have been at most a few hundred thousand Jewish emigrants to the place.
It IS the RV in the driveway. The Jews don’t have to have it; those with an authentic choice don’t even want it. Jewish emigration from the US, Western Europe, et al has never been more than a trickle.
It’s no more their home than it is yours or mine.
USS Monitor,
Acting Captain, Lieutn. Catesby AD Roger Jones
Mr. Sailer, First Officer
Eamon Doherty, Apprentice OilerMr. Sailer: "Sir, we have sprung several leaks and the smokestacks are badly damaged. Shall I instruct the helmsman to make for Portsmouth?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "Under no circumstances Mr. Sailer. We must pursue and sink that ship!"Mr. Sailer; "Sir, such a course risks the destruction of our vessel and all aboard"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: "I'd consider their lives well spent even were they twice as many!"Mr. Sailer: "Sir, I don't understand? What is the prize that justifies this extravagant expenditure of life?"Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Good God, man. Don't you see? That is the 'Minoritarianism'! It must be sunk, else we are all sunk!"Mr. Sailer: "Begging your pardon, sir, I'm far from certain that it is. Might I suggest that you have the Doherty lad brought up top? He has the keenest eyesight on board."Lt. AD Roger Jones: "Very well, Mr. Sailer. Send for him."
Eamon Doherty is brought on deck at the Captain's behestLt. AD Roger-Jones: "Well lad, is that or is that not the 'Minoritarianism' ?"Eamon Doherty: "I couldn't rightly say sir as I don't have me letters but there don't seem to enough of them fer that."Lt. AD Roger-Jones: " Eamon, my compliments to Mr. Sailer and would he please have my spyglass brought up from the Captain's quarters." Spyglass in case is brought up from cabin and placed in Captain's hands. Lt. AD Roger-Jones uncases spyglass and takes long look at USS Monitor. He replaces spyglass in case stamped "E. Litella, purveyor of fine optics" and proclaims: "Never mind."Exeunt AD and Mr. Sailer limping towards PortsmouthReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Nicholas Stix, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad
Excellent! You’ve pretty much nailed me.
Some here probably think various issues are separable. For instance, that you could tackle immigration–close the border, stop the deluge. Indeed, that’s the most critical issue, and would give us a fighting chance at a future.
But you’d still have trannie and queer shit pushed in the schools and the denigration of normality, marriage and family. You’d still have cancerous DIE propaganda. You’d still have AA and be dragging along the “Civil Rights” legal/bureaucratic boat anchor–and legal $$$ shakedowns sucking money from productive people. You’d still have recurrent Floyd-a-paloozas, inadequate policing and shitty cities. You’d still be unable to have reasonable conversations about eugenics and eugenic policies and ergo still have dysgenic decline.
No, the normal productive majority must be in charge of their nation and governing it in their own interest–to maintain and reproduce themselves, their culture, their nation.
You really do have to sink the bad ship Minoritarianism. We all must stand the watch.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/social-contract-pressP.S. This is Henry's book, right?
https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Elitism-William-Henry-III/dp/0385479433Replies: @Poirot
Yes. That’s the book. It’s on page 46: “…Native Americans -or should we follow the hyphenate craze and call them Siberian-Americans?-…”
“My hunch is that when we finally do get serious about the debt, and cutting down on payments that benefit you, you’ll decide that we can put that off until you are dead and buried.”
Your hunch is wrong. I am advocating cutting spending on the military right now and I work for the military. The problem is not so much the Ukraine aid by itself but the exaggeration of foreign threats to justify spending almost a trillion dollars yearly on the military. We spend as much on our military as the next several nations in GDP combined.
If they let go half of all DoD workers I do not think I would be one because my management has a high opinion of me. I am also well past my retirement age so they save money by not paying me a pension.
Things are getting worse for average Americans. Half of all Americans have wages of 40 thousand dollars yearly or less. Household and credit card debt are at record levels. Polls show a majority of Americans want a negotiated end to the Ukraine war. They do not want to keep sending money to the corrupt dictator Zelensky.
But I still agree with AD about minoritarianism.Replies: @kaganovitch
So do I, basically.
This population in the Americas has always been called "Indians", which is a group of people living in the Asian subcontinent. As I previously noted, this was based on a mistaken notion of where the early European explorers had landed.
So these "Asians" have always been (mis-described) with some specificity. Columbus didn't call them "Asians" either. They are not from "East Asia" but "North Asia" and not genetically related at all to other "East Asians."
Not from India, but Siberia. We don't just called them "Siberians" since that would confuse the issue with actual modern location (like "dot" Indians versus "feather" Indians), still a source of confusion in current usage.
The only "oddball" terminology in use is calling them "Indians."
Perhaps "Siberian Americans" will be slow to catch on. But the current Woke fad is to label them "indigenous" which they are not. They are fairly recent arrivals (circa 35,000 years or so) from a much older but small foundation population.
In modern Asia, they are normally referred to as Siberians to distinguish them from other Asian groups.Replies: @Anon
You’ve just admitted they are Asians. So call them “Asians,” unless you are getting more specific and distinguishing between different regions of Asia.
American Indians are immigrants from Asia, and immigrants from Asia are referred to as “Asians”. just like Koreans and Japanese and Indians and Vietnamese are. Therefore, we should group American Indians in the “Asians” category. If you want to distinguish them from subcons, you can call them “East Asians” or “Mongoloids”.
In a similar vein, all humans are immigrants from Africa, and immigrants from Africa are referred to as "Africans". In fact, we are all awash in Awash.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/10
The "tribes of the Americas" were originally called "Indians" by European explorers. But these people weren't from India, where the Europeans thought they had landed.
Columbus, et. al., didn't call them "Asians" though he thought that's where he was.
Only recently have the "tribes" been shown to be originally from Siberia.
Asia is the largest and most diverse continent of differing peoples and subgroups.
They are Siberians who migrated to the Americas. So "Siberian Americans" they are. Just as we use European Americans and African Americans and Asian Americans (for East Asians only).
Siberians are a distinct subgroup of the huge Asian population(s).
In fact there are more "Siberians" now in the Americas than there are now in Asia.
Nonetheless, most will continue to call them "Indians" or some, fadishly, use "native Americans" or "First nations".
Who among us that is without a severed head in his freezer, let him cast the first stone.
Those were the lucky ones. Roughly speaking there were around 12 million Jews in Europe circa 1880-1900. 2.5 million emigrated, 10 million stayed and 6 out of the 10 million died. So America was not the solution for 5 out of 6 Jews. Not exactly a safe bet.
...your whole implicit argument here is absurd. If you did feel yourself in dire peril peril as a Jew, you would stay here in the US, or possibly move to Australia or wherever, or even consider conversion (if that were an option).
Point is, there's no plausible scenario where that strip of desert surrounded by people who have come to hate you would be your safe haven. That dog just won't hunt.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Jack D
A politician makes an impressive, well-argued clarion call on the most essential issue–preservation of a nation–and to Art Deco it is a “whinge.”
And in this case, you did not do your Art Deco research because you are clearly wrong. It is not “a winge about West Indians”.
It is about
— immigration
— minoritarianism
— the responsibility of leaders to their citizens
Try reading it:
https://www.ibtimes.com/enoch-powells-rivers-blood-speech-full-text-290675
USS Liberty
But check this out:https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-342024-rifts-in-bibis-camp?utm_campaign=email-post&r=17kl51&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
https://archive.is/qkdTQ
FREAKIN LASERS!Replies: @Jack D
I really don’t know who this Simplicius dude is but he is clearly not unbiased. This is what he says:
Notice that he doesn’t mention anything about the Israelis being protected from the Gazans. Not a word. It’s like 10/7 never happened. Is there any reason why Israel attacked Gaza? Are the Israelis just evil dudes who like attacking innocent Arab civilians? Why was there no invasion BEFORE 10/7? Nor does he mention anything about the Israelis getting their hostages back. A real diplomat this guy is.
The Israelis would be delighted to have a real international protection force in Gaza that would protect them from the Gazans as well as vice versa. They didn’t want to be in Gaza in the 1st place. They left it years ago hoping never to return but Hamas forced their hand on 10/7. The UN didn’t do shit up until now – in fact their employees were among the people attacking Israel.
Also why didn’t we need this international force in Syria where 30x as many people died? Why only Israel?
What would this international force consist of? Who would pay for it? I’m pretty sure that the Men of Unz don’t want the US to do this. The Israelis would love to have someone take the Gazans off their hands. They already said that they don’t view feeding them as their responsibility.
Anyone who starts their discussion of Gaza on 10/8 is not unbiased. In fact, they are morally blind.
And not just Israel, but Palestine should be forced to abide by the nuclear non-proliferation treaty -- and until that happens, no US aid for either one, as US law specifies.
Then, of course, there would be the civil and property rights of those Palestinians driven out of the territory allotted to the Jews, and -- be fair -- the issue of the civil and property rights of those Jews driven out of the territory allotted to the Palestinians.
I'm with you, Jack. Impartial rule of the law, and applicable resolutions.
https://www.enemyinmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/1947-partition.jpg
Israel has accepted it. Will the Palestinian Authority?Replies: @Jack D
That quote is not Simplicius talking but him quoting a veteran journalist specializing in the region, “@MikeOverMan.” Your overall opinion will probably not change though when you consider that Simplicius has directly called the special hostage operation “genocide.”
What am I missing in this math, it looks like you’re arguing against yourself? America was the safe bet. Europe wasn’t. Like the armor placement debate on WWII fighter planes.
But no one had a crystal ball (and we still don't). There is something to be said for "not putting all your eggs in one basket". Israel is a hedge against things going south for the Jews in the Diaspora (how long before France becomes unlivable for Jews?) and vice versa.
“There are eight million stories in the Naked City.”
American Indians are immigrants from Asia, and immigrants from Asia are referred to as “Asians”. just like Koreans and Japanese and Indians and Vietnamese are. Therefore, we should group American Indians in the “Asians” category. If you want to distinguish them from subcons, you can call them “East Asians” or “Mongoloids”.Replies: @epebble, @Muggles
American Indians are immigrants from Asia, and immigrants from Asia are referred to as “Asians”.
In a similar vein, all humans are immigrants from Africa, and immigrants from Africa are referred to as “Africans”. In fact, we are all awash in Awash.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/10
Sure, anything a politician tells you has to be viewed with skepticism. Netanyahu is a politician too. Did you accept Biden’s SOTU speech at face value?
OTOH, it doesn’t mean that you should attach NO value to their words either. Maybe they are exaggerating somewhat but not totally.
The MSM has this game where they take everything Trump (and Trump alone) says literally (Trump says he might not protect NATO allies!) . They know not to take him at face value either but they play this game where they take him literally so that they can call him an “extremist”. Everyone else can be understood to be speaking metaphorically but when Trump speaks you are required to assume that he literally means every word, even taken out of context.
It literally has no value beyond that. Their mendacity is stunning. It's in a whole different league.
It's as if others sometimes build pathetic little huts of lies. The Jews build great, glittering cathedrals.
Oh and, by the way, Israel is part of the Middle East, case you hadn't noticed.Replies: @Colin Wright
Your hunch is wrong. I am advocating cutting spending on the military right now and I work for the military. The problem is not so much the Ukraine aid by itself but the exaggeration of foreign threats to justify spending almost a trillion dollars yearly on the military. We spend as much on our military as the next several nations in GDP combined.
If they let go half of all DoD workers I do not think I would be one because my management has a high opinion of me. I am also well past my retirement age so they save money by not paying me a pension.
Things are getting worse for average Americans. Half of all Americans have wages of 40 thousand dollars yearly or less. Household and credit card debt are at record levels. Polls show a majority of Americans want a negotiated end to the Ukraine war. They do not want to keep sending money to the corrupt dictator Zelensky.Replies: @HA
“Your hunch is wrong. I am advocating cutting spending on the military right now and I work for the military.”
Yeah, right. Get back to us when they cut you out for good — their alleged “high opinions” notwithstanding — and decide, by way of cost cutting, to do a number on that pension you think is your due. When you made the dumb decision to pass on a free vaccine, and wound up spending tens of thousands of government-insurance hospital dollars from a case of COVID (which could have gone to paying down the debt or sending the money to Ukraine) it was because of your stupid decisions. Now you try to shift the blame for that by pretending there were “effective home treatments” that could have done everything the hospital did (and covered any complications that might have arisen) and so it was somehow the government’s fault for not providing them, but you have no data or evidence to demonstrate any of what you claim, as opposed to spouting dumb guesswork of the kind that landed you into the hospital in the first place. Again, it’s transparent blame-shifting. For you, it’s always someone else’s fault.
I look forward to you foregoing your pension to pay down the debt, just like you keep telling me I need to somehow go and fight in Ukraine because I think the US should be doing more (though I’ve never advocated for Americans to go over there), but I’m not holding my breath. I suspect you’re only good at telling people what needs to be done when you know you won’t take the hit.
“Things are getting worse for average Americans.”
And they’ll get far worse if Putin reboots the USSR and we go back to spending several times what we’re doing now to contain him, and getting into bed with the regimes we got into bed with in order to keep the Soviets at bay. Sure, we could just wing it, like you did back during the pandemic and wind up spending thousands of times more than what people like me spent on COVID. I hope we’re not that short-sighted. What’s more, being the Dunning-Kruger case you are, you think your stupid life choices make you an expert on what everyone else needs to do, as opposed to being a cautionary tale of what to avoid.
I already am foregoing my pension to pay down the debt. I qualified for a pension at 55 and am still working at 67. I have saved the government hundreds of thousands of dollars so far. I plan to work into my seventies.Replies: @HA
In short:
1. In the 1950s debt to GDP was about 80 percent compared to about 120 percent now. By the 1980s, when we were spending about five to six percent of GDP on defense, debt to gdp ratio had fallen to about forty percent. We could afford to bankrupt the USSR.
2. On a more a granular, and very important level, mandatory outlays as a percentage of gdp were much lower then than they are now. Moreover, and critically, mandatory outlays are projected to keep rising for the next twenty five and more years…..it’s not clear that multi year projections are that reliable, but given the current political priorities, it’s a safe bet that mandatory outlays will continue to rise sharply.
3. That leaves, then, net interest paid on fed debt as a percentage of gdp, which is forecast to rise to more than three and a half percent of gdp by 2030 and to about eight percent of gdp by 2052. Thus, in only six years, net interest spending will be more, much more, than defense spending, and in only one generation will be almost three times defense spending.
Whatever HA thinks of Mark G, for whatever reason, the numbers are inexorable and terrible, and the personal sniping is pointless distraction. The estimable host of this blog is a numerate noticer. It is easy to get and the compare the graphs of these inexorable numbers that don’t give a fig for HA, or Mark G, or any of us…but we are all in the same boat.
The current excess liquidity is debt fueled and unproductive regardless of where the SP500 is…it’s another asset bubble that will eventually pop, as they all eventually do (after the last short capitulates).
There is a narrow path that can be threaded to avoid slumping towards ‘not-even-Brazil’ but towards a giant Argentina…. stop the rise in mandatory outlays (but this is hard to see taking place), raise taxes somewhat (but there are well known limits to excessive taxation), massively increase productivity faster than the projected increase in net interest spending, and finds cuts in discretionary spending.
It is clearly in our national interest to protect the capitalist system which has been proven to be the best of all systems tried to date, as well as to protect free trade and shipping lanes, etc etc. We clearly need to spend a lot of money to do that. But, the correct approach is to work out in a dispassionate manner the optimal percentage of the outlays necessary to advance our communal national interest for the least amount spent, and I emphasize the word communal.
They say that countries go bankrupt slowly and then all of a sudden. We cannot fritter away all of our structural and physical advantages. If we go slowly (and then ‘all of a sudden’) broke in the next thirty years, there are no lifeboats for any of us… we are taking the whole system down with us, and that includes our children’s futures.Replies: @HA
Also this weekend, someone at our church didn't look at the calendar, inadvertently scheduling 39 hours of Adoration. That sounds positively Hitchcockian. Or at least Bennyesque.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @hhsiii
Correction: This occurs at 8:36 pm (2036 hours) local time, or thereabouts. 3h 24m is about 0.14159 of a day.
Not sure what kind of pie to plan. Pi Day, like St Pat’s, always falls in Lent, so savo(u)ry is preferred. Perhaps a venison pasty. Aldi pie crust makes the hard part easy, and comes out perfect with with an egg wash.
Well, people with Southern accents chased the Yankees out of Dodge (/Olds/Mercury/Rambler). I’d call that a belated CSA victory.
Jeff Davis should have thought of this tactic 105 years earlier.
OTOH, it doesn't mean that you should attach NO value to their words either. Maybe they are exaggerating somewhat but not totally.
The MSM has this game where they take everything Trump (and Trump alone) says literally (Trump says he might not protect NATO allies!) . They know not to take him at face value either but they play this game where they take him literally so that they can call him an "extremist". Everyone else can be understood to be speaking metaphorically but when Trump speaks you are required to assume that he literally means every word, even taken out of context.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon
Any statement emanating from the Israeli government can be taken to indicate what the Israeli government would like you to believe.
It literally has no value beyond that. Their mendacity is stunning. It’s in a whole different league.
It’s as if others sometimes build pathetic little huts of lies. The Jews build great, glittering cathedrals.
Not really.
On September 17, 2001, Bush visited the Islamic Center in Washington and declared that “Islam is peace”:
He steadfastly refused to institute racial profiling against Muslims. And he did nothing to secure the borders.
Bush won a huge amount of political capital on 9/11. He blew it all (and then some) on the invasion of Iraq. When the weapons of mass destruction failed to materialize he lost some credibility. But he still managed to win re-election in 2004.
The real turning point was the Katrina catastrophe in late August/early September 2005. The chaos in New Orleans revealed the stark reality of black dysfunction for all to see. But CNN plastered TV screens across the country with endless clip reels of bodies floating in the streets and Anderson Cooper bawling his eyes out. The federal response was somewhat sluggish (as it was after Hurricane Andrew, which I remember vividly) but the constant 24/7 news coverage (“N’awlins is dying and Bush doesn’t give a shit!”) was unprecedented. Bush’s reputation never recovered.
The Republicans lost control of Congress in the 2006 midterms. Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House in January 2007. Just days later, Hillary and Barry launched their presidential campaigns.
Hillary was the anointed front-runner. She was shocked when Barry won Iowa.
The Iowa caucus was on a Thursday. On Friday morning Barry was already being introduced as “the next president of the United States”. Over the weekend Hillary’s campaign seemed to fall apart and it looked like she was finished. But then on Monday she went on television and she cried. Tears fell down her cheeks. The New Hampshire primary voters were so impressed by her unprecedented show of emotion that they granted her an upset victory on Tuesday.
McCain wrapped up the Republican nomination well in advance of Super Tuesday in early February. But neither Democratic candidate was able to score a knockout blow.
Hillary’s last best hope of beating Obama came when the “Jeremiah Wright controversy” (as Wikipedia describes it) erupted around the ides of March. For a couple of days Wright’s stirring refrain of “God Damn America!” bellowed across the nation.
An excerpt from this sermon, originally delivered on the Sunday after 9/11, got a fair amount of attention:
But then Obama gave one of his smarmy speeches in which he attempted to distance himself from Wright while flatly refusing to disown him. His message, essentially, was that if Wright’s rhetoric was outrageous and offensive, it was no more outrageous and offensive than the RACISM! that Wright had experienced all of his life. The media swooned over Barry’s brilliance and declared the Wright issue null and void. The good pastor accepted a hefty cash “donation” and kept his mouth shut.
After that it was all but certain that Obama would be the nominee. Hillary had blown her wad.
She refused to quit even after it became clear that it was mathematically impossible for her to secure enough delegates to win the nomination. Some of her people even muttered about the possibility of a floor fight at the convention in late August. But in the end she bowed out after the California primary in the first week of June.
The Republican convention was set to begin on Labor Day 2008. Obama delivered his grandiose acceptance speech at Mile High Stadium on the preceding Thursday. The very next morning, McCain announced his selection of Sarah Palin as running mate.
But as luck would have it, over that weekend, it became clear that another major hurricane (Gustav) was heading directly for New Orleans, with landfall scheduled for Labor Day morning. The GOP hurriedly cancelled the opening session.
Gustav weakened and turned away from the city at the last moment, but the GOP party was spoiled by yet another bombshell: the revelation that Sarah Palin’s daughter (I forget her name) was pregnant.
Exactly two weeks later, another hurricane (Ike) took aim at Galveston, prompting the shutdown of numerous Gulf oil platforms and briefly sending the price of crude soaring past the $100 mark. But the really big disaster came in New York. An economic tidal surge swamped the teetering Lehman Brothers, undermining the bank’s foundation and causing that storied edifice to collapse.
Just prior to the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Obama and McCain were running neck-and-neck in the polls. But as the financial carnage mounted, the Half-Blood Prince began to pull ahead. By early October it was clear that the Magic Negro had it in the bag.
On November 4, 2008, Obama won the presidential election, and the fate of America was sealed.
Obama picked Biden the joke as his VP which many of us thought was insane (still stand by that!), the Palin pick electrified the Republican base and it took quite a while for the usual suspects starting with McCain's campaign manager to mostly destroy her political career. (The final blow was her idiocy back home in pushing (signing?) an "ethics" bill that easily allowed enemies to bankrupt anyone they targeted).
When the financial crisis hit, McCain Officially suspended his campaign and went back to D.C. to ... be a Senator, where his colleagues knifed him in the back (the latter not surprising since he was such an awful, vindictive and powerful PoS; look at for example Lindsey Graham's change in behavior after McCain was dead). This was particularly stupid because it did not constrain Obama's response, he didn't do that, and among other things not being a lifelong legislator, in truth he looked a lot more Presidential than McCain.
Picking Palin was when I thought McCain had a chance. The financial crisis stunt was when I was all but certain he would lose. OK, I'd add a third thing, I don't think he or the GOPe wanted to defeat the first negro US Presidential candidate, Negroidolatry is truly that strong in them.
OK, that's an appeal to authority but I've been following elections since 1972 and my early Silent Generation mother who taught me a lot of this for even longer. Our predictions have a good track record.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Almost Missouri
1099-1291: (partially) reclaimed.
1291-1917: Holy Land supinely left in the hands of Islam.
1917-1948: reclaimed -- well, as a mandate.
1948: surrendered again, this time to the Jews -- although that wasn't the plan.
So we've got 959 years it was surrendered to 'Dar al-Islam;' 299 years it was kept at least partially out of its hands.
'Always'?Replies: @Pixo, @Jack D
1. Ottoman control of the Holy Land in its “Sick Man” era in the 19th century was subject to heavy Christian Great Power influence bordering on de facto control: Britain, France, and Russia. For example in the Oriental Crisis of 1840 the British forced an Ottoman vassal, Muhammed Ali, to accept unfavorable terms including ceding control of parts of modern Israel.
2. I spoke of “moral obligation” not actual control.
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No. The Fertile Crescent was not removed from the control of the Ottoman central government until 1918.
You've plopped yourself in a strip of semidesert lacking the resources to support more than a fraction of the current population, alienated all your neighbors, ensured the surviving native population will hate you for all eternity, lost the good will of most of the planet, and left yourself dependent on the continuing support of a notoriously fickle people in a state that is rapidly losing its ability to control events or to help anyone.
What did you miss?Replies: @Dmon, @Jack D
I agree completely. And that’s a pretty good description of California.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Kreuznach
A German town I have visited, which historically had a significant Jewish population. Note that the article mentions that pious Jews referred to the town as "Image Place" because they did not want to use the name Kreuz or "cross".Replies: @J.Ross, @Pixo
“Jews think Christ was a false prophet”
Some might think that, though despite their massive media power I can’t recall any Jewish propaganda against the truth of the gospels. The closest thing is generic atheism by ethnic Jews.
Personally I do believe in the divinity of Jesus.
Quite right. The world should react with outrage — outrage! — if Palestinian troops cross the 1947 Partition lines.
And not just Israel, but Palestine should be forced to abide by the nuclear non-proliferation treaty — and until that happens, no US aid for either one, as US law specifies.
Then, of course, there would be the civil and property rights of those Palestinians driven out of the territory allotted to the Jews, and — be fair — the issue of the civil and property rights of those Jews driven out of the territory allotted to the Palestinians.
I’m with you, Jack. Impartial rule of the law, and applicable resolutions.
Israel has accepted it. Will the Palestinian Authority?
I paid for my Covid treatment with my insurance. I paid insurance premiums for forty years and never used it. I largely just got back the money I had given them previously. I probably did not need to be in the hospital. They just wanted to make money by charging me for ineffective remdesivir and a hospital stay. At least they didn’t kill me with a ventilator, as they did so many others. If we had a free market medical system rather than a government enforced monopoly, medical care in this country would be higher quality and cost less.
I already am foregoing my pension to pay down the debt. I qualified for a pension at 55 and am still working at 67. I have saved the government hundreds of thousands of dollars so far. I plan to work into my seventies.
Some might think that, though despite their massive media power I can’t recall any Jewish propaganda against the truth of the gospels. The closest thing is generic atheism by ethnic Jews.
Personally I do believe in the divinity of Jesus.Replies: @Colin Wright
Good one, dude.
He got some decidedly disapproving looks -- but no one called for him to be fired that I know of.
Hard to see that happening today. Actually, my daughter related to me how one professor cautiously observed that Putin seemed to be a pretty canny leader. The class's self-appointed moral censors promptly called him out.
Remember the government official who said 'niggardly'? Wasn't he fired?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Corvinus, @Corvinus
He was a white staffer in the DC government in the mid 90s, IIRC. A poor choice of words especially considering the no one in his audience actually knew what the word meant.
Might also fast forward to Obama who's number one foreign policy objective was to "fix" Carter's Iran mistakes, and we're told plenty of Obama retreads working for "Biden" are favoring Iran and its proxies in the current unpleasantness in the Middle East.
Not that I think Clown World has the stomach to properly deal with the Houthi pirates, and I wonder about how many naval SAMs are being used up with no prospect for quick replacement. That's utterly bottle necked by the rate at which rocket engines can be procured by the one remaining approved US vendor. Could be mightily convenient for the PRC in due course....Replies: @notbe mk 2
There was also another factor in the great Iranian intelligence freak out of ’79 The Shah was filthy rich and was used to that problems can be solved by handing out cash and he was loose and generous with that superpower Anybody on the ground concerned with Iran back in the seventies got a cash payment to write up a positive review; journalists, CIA officials, technicians, politicians Just go back to articles written about Iran in the seventies-look at the National Geographic articles for instance Overwhelmingly positive yet it was just a year or two before the deluge there had to be a reason for all this delusional positiveness
Now of course the huge amount of bribery of westerners cannot ever be mentioned because it destroys the image that we westerners have created for ourselves but the fact this was going on can be deducted from the absolutely sweet reports coming from western analysts, journalists and politicos Like in all such cases (Epstein comes to mind) this cannot really be traced only deducted but sometimes tawdry facts leaked out Barbara Walters did an interview with the Shah and his hot third wife (the Shah may have been a collector of hotties but the romantic loves of his life were middle-aged men, truly a weird man) Well just before the interview Baba Wawa was seen sporting an expensive Iranian turquoise necklace Just guess how many softball questions our top journalist of the time asked
Also this weekend, someone at our church didn't look at the calendar, inadvertently scheduling 39 hours of Adoration. That sounds positively Hitchcockian. Or at least Bennyesque.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @hhsiii
Say good night, Gracie.
He got some decidedly disapproving looks -- but no one called for him to be fired that I know of.
Hard to see that happening today. Actually, my daughter related to me how one professor cautiously observed that Putin seemed to be a pretty canny leader. The class's self-appointed moral censors promptly called him out.
Remember the government official who said 'niggardly'? Wasn't he fired?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Corvinus, @Corvinus
“Au contraire. I can recall an English professor around 1980 waxing eloquent on the innate sexual awareness of pre-pubescent girls.”
Who? Where? If you’re going to make a point, be specific.
“Actually, my daughter related to me how one professor cautiously observed that Putin seemed to be a pretty canny leader.”
Pics or it never happened—Steve Sailer
“Remember the government official who said ‘niggardly’? Wasn’t he fired?”
Jim Quinlisk, who teaches at Brighton High School in Monroe County, returned to his position in January after being suspended with pay for the first half of the 2019-2020 school year WROC-TV reported. The State Education Department Division of Employer-Employee Relations ruled that termination of employment was “not the appropriate penalty in this case,” but did find Quinlisk guilty of five charges brought against him in a complaint by a student. He was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine.
So you gave me two vague references and an anecdote. Do better.
I already am foregoing my pension to pay down the debt. I qualified for a pension at 55 and am still working at 67. I have saved the government hundreds of thousands of dollars so far. I plan to work into my seventies.Replies: @HA
“I paid for my Covid treatment with my insurance….I largely just got back the money I had given them previously.”
Yeah, sure — even though you avoided the deadly complications after being treated with Remdesivir, which some might see as an indication that there may well be something to that stuff, you now want to claim that it was too expensive and unnecessary and that it shouldn’t be dispensed. Absent any real evidence, you claim that the rest of us will do just as well with cheap out-of-patent steroids and vitamin supplements instead. I’ve heard all that before. Frankly, repetition hasn’t made it any more convincing. The point is, someone wound up paying tens of thousands of dollars for something many of the rest of us avoided by taking the easy route. But not you. But despite that, you’re now an expert on how to manage COVID.
And speaking of “largely”, what are the odds that your girth had something to do with COVID managing to send you to the hospital? Given your agitation in the matter of how it’s the government that needs to trim the fat, which is likely just more projection, I’m gonna guess they’re pretty good. But I’m also guessing that you much prefer to figuratively tighten other people’s belts more so than doing what needs to be done to literally take yours down a few notches.
I never said Remdesivir shouldn't be dispensed. Anyone who wanted it should have had access to it.
Unlike HA here, I am not an authoritarian who wants to withhold anyone's preferred treatment option. Characters such as HA like the current system where corrupt bureaucrats appointed by corrupt politicians bought and paid for by Big Pharma force their desires on everyone.Replies: @ic1000, @HA
This is a shock rather than a trend and it is stupid to emphasize the annualized number.Replies: @notbe mk 2
Confusing quarterly growth/declines rates to annual rates is endemic to most economic reporting equivalent to not specifying if one is using mean or median in discussing averages or not emphasizing PPP when discussing GDP (how small is Russia’s economy-the size of New Jersey’s or less?) or counting all economic activity as equivalent-having a pro ball team is more important to a local economy than a having factory It serves to confuse people and gain political brownie points In most cases, however, economic reporters themselves actually are not aware of the differences in the above concepts
Is it true that the Clintons honeymooned in Haiti?
The goal of all this is to keep the money flowing to the Military-Industrial Complex. The MIC and the various other special interest groups have driven the national debt to 34 trillion dollars. The parasites will keep feeding on the host until the host is dead and then they die too. They are too stupid to stop before that.Replies: @HA, @notbe mk 2, @Art Deco
-Buckley said in the fifties that we had to put off reducing the size of government until after we had defeated the Soviet Union
What an absolute retard William F Buckley was
He was obviously worried about Russian mail-order brides. You know how the massive numbers of mail-order brides have transformed British society…
That’s rich coming from a hysterical ninny like you who advocated shutting down the World, destroying billions of dollars in economic activity, just so that poor little you wouldn’t get sick.
Funny, I think that about everything you post
So why don’t you go and fight yourself, you f**king coward? I am sick to death of big-mouthed blowhard a**holes like you who presume to tell us what’s good for us and our country. Just go f**k yourself you loathsome prick.
For reasons I won't get into, I was never at risk for COVID, and apart from hysterical ninnies who couldn't face another needle, the world did OK with opening up again once the vaccines came aboard. If you want to screech at hysterical ninnies, deal with your own damage.
"I am sick to death of big-mouthed blowhard a**holes like you..."
Oh, yet another reason to keep posting! Maybe they'll make a vaccine to cure your... oh, wait. You're scared of those.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Bump is just writing: "It's Wednesday! Can you even believe that it used to be Tuesday? Back in the olden times of Tuesday, some people couldn't imagine it being Wednesday - or, perhaps they could, but they were those Tuesday sorts of people who couldn't get with the times of Wednesday! You know, there are even Tuesday types still around today, when it is nearly Thursday!"
A few years ago this was distilled on the internet in a series of memes themed "It's the Current Year!" It's a critique of the penchant of people with horn rimmed smart glasses like Bump to retort "It's 2024!" in response to a reasoned argument or request for social normality. You might say something like "Gee, the data on America's children is not good. They're falling behind educationally, emotionally, and socially compared with prior generations and exhibit symptoms of anxiety disorders at younger ages. Perhaps we should revisit the practice of young women prioritizing careers while their children are in their own tender years?" The response will be "It's 2024! [previously, It's 2023; It's 2022; It's 2021; It's 2020; It's 2019; It's 2018; It's 2017; It's 2016; and It's 2015]."
The main offender (who became the face of the meme) was fussy British nebbish John Oliver who used "It's [insert current year]!" often to summarily dismiss arguments and events. (He is one of a trend of foreigners hired by television programmers to insinuate themselves into American politics and to insult and heap humiliation on Americans on a nightly basis). The idea is that controversies are settled by the mere passage of time, that social change occurs without agency, and that one should feel social pressure and embarrassment for not intuiting the up to date zeitgeist.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122518/5252855-image.png
So the point of Bump's piece is not to refute the predictions of 1993 or the resultant disasters, but to heap derision on Tuesday for being Tuesday. Aren't you embarrassed that it was once Tuesday?Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar
American broadcasting is controlled by Quora.com?
OTOH, it doesn't mean that you should attach NO value to their words either. Maybe they are exaggerating somewhat but not totally.
The MSM has this game where they take everything Trump (and Trump alone) says literally (Trump says he might not protect NATO allies!) . They know not to take him at face value either but they play this game where they take him literally so that they can call him an "extremist". Everyone else can be understood to be speaking metaphorically but when Trump speaks you are required to assume that he literally means every word, even taken out of context.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon
Of course not. But you didn’t just say “politicians in the Middle East”. You said “people in the Middle East”. That’s what I was referring to.
Oh and, by the way, Israel is part of the Middle East, case you hadn’t noticed.
Do you also comment as Magyar/Orvos/Diak/Ferfi/Idiota/OrbanStan/...and many more?
He's been quiet lately, I think. But maybe not, since I tend to lose focus after about 100 comments.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
No. I have no other screen names. On two or three other fora, I’ll use part or all of
my real name.
Dogfighting is a foundational element of black culture.
If you have a strong stomach, search for Michael Vick and dogfighting.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
“White” was a reference to their surname.
Leave them alone. Or….
the majority of black murderers are young men. What Westerners refuse to understand is that joining a gang and murdering in how these young men earn their bones. It is a rite of passage.
You see, we are not dealing with a population which has passed through the farming revolution. Farming imposes restrictions on behavior. Fences are built and wild beasts who rampage through the fields and orchards are killed. People who don’t respect other people’s hard labor are killed.
If civilization is to take root in Haiti, then all these murderous men should be killed. I’ve lived on a farm and believe me, killing predators is an everyday part of life. Killing off these renegade, undomesticated hunter-gatherers should provoke no more emotional response than killing coyotes or coons.
The problem is White women think they know better. They want to adopt every stray and believe in their own mystical power to magically charm every beast into docility. And end up being raped on rooftops and cut up into pieces with a machete.
So, the real problem is in White women’s belief in their magical powers, their powers to tame wild beasts. Things won’t resolve until White women are forcefully removed from all positions of power, isolated with the women-folk while their men kill the savages and make the world safe for civil society.
It’s really quite simple. It’s Nature. The Tao. Go with the flow. Don’t believe that you can remake the fundamental nature of people. Accept them as they are; incompatible with post-agricultural-revolution civilized life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_French
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language_in_Minnesota
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskrat_French
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_place_names_of_French_origin_in_the_United_States
1099-1291: (partially) reclaimed.
1291-1917: Holy Land supinely left in the hands of Islam.
1917-1948: reclaimed -- well, as a mandate.
1948: surrendered again, this time to the Jews -- although that wasn't the plan.
So we've got 959 years it was surrendered to 'Dar al-Islam;' 299 years it was kept at least partially out of its hands.
'Always'?Replies: @Pixo, @Jack D
Your history sucks. Israel did not gain control of E. Jerusalem, (where the holy Christian sites are) until 1967. Between 1948 and 1967, Jordan granted no access to Jews to their holy sites and desecrated many of them. The plan was for Jerusalem to be an international city but Jordan ignored that.
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1766946310828036226
We must activate Nayib Bukele.
LOL.
Ok, Pixo may trot in here and say "they produce Jews". But there is a big demographic group--obviously I'm not the go to on such matters--in Israel who are religiously observant, have traditional families with solid 3+ fertility, are economically productive and patriotic, inc. military service. They are the sort of people you want producing your next generation.
In contrast, these Haredim are another parasite minority. Net leeches on the society--do not produce/serve to pull their weight ... and rapidly growing! And like minority privileges given in America ... once given, they are hard to take back. Same story--minorities are not entitled to special privileges and you should not give them any.Replies: @Jack D
The reactions to the good Rabbi’s remarks, even on the religious right of Israel, were not positive:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-march-09-2024/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end&utm_content=2
So those here who are jumping for joy at the thought of the Jews packing their bags – sorry, not happening regardless of what the scammer Rabbi Yosef says.
https://www.globaltradealert.org/global_dynamics
Iranian politics was always complex so its unlikely the above two who were recently dropped off in Iran and lacking language skills knew enough to be the prime instigators Look at what happened in 1979, by that time the CIA in Iran was much, much larger and better funded and organized than in 1953 yet it was absolutely confused about what was happening In fact, the CIA told Jimmy Carter in 1978 that the Shah was secure for about the next thirty years and many of the CIA assets were actually revolutionaries
What likely happened in 1953 was that CIA was kept informed by the actual plotters and provided dollars but after the success of the coup took immediate credit for it so as to impress MI5 and Ike and to provide an aura of competence worldwide Increased funding due to supposed results covered up actual limitations and incompetence
A further aspect, the CIA backed the Shah because..well his second wife was hot and had a vivacious personality so... yeah the US backed him up whereas they usually dropped kings like hot potatoes She was the repository of the secret boyish fantasies CIA case officers had about her (don't underestimate the power that secret juvenile fantasies have in moving the world- case in point, ladies and gentlemen I give you...the Neocons)
It all backfired because the second time around in '79 the revolutionaries emphasized isolating the CIA from the facts on the ground Like I said, a great many of the informants in the country were actually double agents working for the Ayatollah In fact, the Ayatollah made sure the CIA thought of him as an asset "the blasphemous unbelieving fools.....hahahaha (best Dr Evil laugh)"Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous
Mossadegh’s mistake wasn’t nationalizing foreign property but nationalizing Iranian property.
In particular, his land reform policies angered big land owners, and in Iran (as in Latin America) big land owners also tend to be big army officers.
CIA, MI6 etc. would have been powerless against him if he hadn’t alienated these people.
That wasn’t what I claimed. This is just a particularly pathetic example of how you resort to redirection in your attempts to defend the indefensible.
You’ll be there to the end, right, Jack?
He got some decidedly disapproving looks -- but no one called for him to be fired that I know of.
Hard to see that happening today. Actually, my daughter related to me how one professor cautiously observed that Putin seemed to be a pretty canny leader. The class's self-appointed moral censors promptly called him out.
Remember the government official who said 'niggardly'? Wasn't he fired?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Corvinus, @Corvinus
No doubt you, as a free speech advocate, are horrified by the actions conducted by Elon Musk, who engages in the conduct that you deplore.
https://www.threads.net/@don.moyn/post/C4Tyt_fPN3n
And how many of them were saved by Israel?
…your whole implicit argument here is absurd. If you did feel yourself in dire peril peril as a Jew, you would stay here in the US, or possibly move to Australia or wherever, or even consider conversion (if that were an option).
Point is, there’s no plausible scenario where that strip of desert surrounded by people who have come to hate you would be your safe haven. That dog just won’t hunt.
Conversion didn’t work for the Nazis either. Edith Stein and her sister were both converts to Christianity (Edith was a nun) but they died at Auschwitz anyway.Replies: @houston 1992
My family did choose to immigrate to the US and I don't regret that at all, but you have to know that this was only after years of sitting in a displaced persons camp and all sorts of interviews and applications and paperwork and obtaining sponsorships and blah, blah, blah. The same would apply if you wanted to move to Australia tomorrow, especially if 7.5 million others all had the same idea. Fortunately the war was over by then so they were not in danger during the years that this process took. However, if they had started this same process in 1938 instead of 1948, they would have been ashes by the time that their approvals came thru.
I agree with you that on its face a strip of desert surrounded by a billion hostile Muslims is a shitty refuge but it's all that the Jews have got. The only square foot of territory in the world that they can call their own.
Meanwhile, the "Palestinians" have the entire Arab world. They should have disappeared into it decades ago just like the 800,000 Germans of Konigsberg melted into the German population decades ago. They were kept there (and are STILL being kept there - Egypt won't allow anyone to cross) as a thorn in the side of Israel.Replies: @Colin Wright, @J.Ross, @Art Deco
“it shouldn’t be dispensed”
I never said Remdesivir shouldn’t be dispensed. Anyone who wanted it should have had access to it.
Unlike HA here, I am not an authoritarian who wants to withhold anyone’s preferred treatment option. Characters such as HA like the current system where corrupt bureaucrats appointed by corrupt politicians bought and paid for by Big Pharma force their desires on everyone.
Separately -- BTW and FWIW, somebody with your self-described demographic characteristics would have done better (statistically speaking) to accept the non-zero risks of Covid vaccine harm. Because for people like you (and me), the benefit of the vaccine greatly outweighed that harm.
1. I'll link to a reference if that's key to the discussion, but I don't think that it is.
2. This is "all else being equal," and you've explained that for you, certeris wasn't paribus. The case for coercive vaccination was weak to begin with, and got worse as the pandemic continued. Autonomy as the public health establishment defined it -- "You are free to comply with my demands" -- isn't.Replies: @HA
Has Steve done a post explaining how the Americas got the dumb Asians thousands of years ago? Most of them were smart enough to head south of British Columbia, but that isn’t saying much.
“You see, we are not dealing with a population which has passed through the farming revolution”
Virtually all blacks are descended from ancestors who were farmers for over 2000 years.
Very much not an expert on this, but factoids I've heard are:
In much of Africa, farming the land is not very hard, it's a bountiful place.
Farming the land is often low respect woman's work.
Herding is a thing, but a very different sort of thing.
For a good metric I suggest the one @ThreeCranes used: how much were fences a thing back in those over two thousand years? Then again we should ask how much they were a thing in white and Asian farming going way back.Replies: @Jack D
...not merely present, but the norm? That farm labor was normally relegated to women suggests to me societies that had only taken it up relatively recently; men were still the 'hunters' -- even if there wasn't much left to hunt.
In the former, religion tended to be individual. A boy transitioning to manhood goes off alone into the forest on his vision quest. He wanders alone until he is visited by his guardian spirit at which time he returns to his village and tells the Shaman what he saw. The shaman declares that henceforth he is a member of the e.g. Beaver Clan.*
Farming myths are more communal and tend to revolve around festivals celebrating crucial dates related to planting and harvesting. Phases of the moon or rising of the Sun, parades and large social gatherings, eating and drinking, dancing and singing.
Speaking generally, would Sub-Saharan African men be classified as the former or the latter? Rumor around here has it that they had no effective calendar, no system of numbering and no way to chart the heavens so how they could have kept track of important agricultural dates is a mystery.
*We say "member of a clan" but that's not precisely what's going on. What is really happening is that, having evolved with animals, the human Spirit or Mind is engaged with them as Jungian archetypes. When a young person is given a vision he is instructed by the Shaman to follow that totem animal's path, to see the world from that animal's perspective. Then, during council, the devotee of every particular animal reports to the group what the perspective is from that animal's point of view. How does the Beaver see this? How does the Bear see this?
The Shaman or Head Chief himself is not assigning one to something of which the Shaman is totally aware. It is not a script. Rather, he is relying upon the current journeyman on that animal's path for feedback—not unlike an executive who relies upon his division chiefs for input upon any project the Group undertakes. So, e.g. I am not literally ThreeCranes. I merely follow them.Replies: @ThreeCranes, @ThreeCranes
The goal of all this is to keep the money flowing to the Military-Industrial Complex. The MIC and the various other special interest groups have driven the national debt to 34 trillion dollars. The parasites will keep feeding on the host until the host is dead and then they die too. They are too stupid to stop before that.Replies: @HA, @notbe mk 2, @Art Deco
You’re confused. The ratio of military spending to domestic product was around 11% the year National Review was founded. It fell to around 5.5% by about 1978, increased to about 7% by 1984, then declined for the next 16 years. It has been between about 3.7% and 4.5% over the last 22 years. The Iraq war accounted for about 1/4 of the total during the period running from 2003 to 2012.
The share of the male population in uniform is as low as it has been since 1940.
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And in this case, you did not do your Art Deco research because you are clearly wrong. It is not "a winge about West Indians".
It is about
-- immigration
-- minoritarianism
-- the responsibility of leaders to their citizens
Try reading it:
https://www.ibtimes.com/enoch-powells-rivers-blood-speech-full-text-290675Replies: @Art Deco
I’ve read it. It’s not that interesting.
YOU are not that interesting.
2. I spoke of “moral obligation” not actual control.Replies: @Art Deco
1. Ottoman control of the Holy Land in its “Sick Man” era in the 19th century was subject to heavy Christian Great Power influence bordering on de facto control: Britain, France, and Russia. For example in the Oriental Crisis of 1840 the British forced an Ottoman vassal, Muhammed Ali, to accept unfavorable terms including ceding control of parts of modern Israel.
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No. The Fertile Crescent was not removed from the control of the Ottoman central government until 1918.
...your whole implicit argument here is absurd. If you did feel yourself in dire peril peril as a Jew, you would stay here in the US, or possibly move to Australia or wherever, or even consider conversion (if that were an option).
Point is, there's no plausible scenario where that strip of desert surrounded by people who have come to hate you would be your safe haven. That dog just won't hunt.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Jack D
He’s talking about the Nazi era. There were strict immigration rules in America and Canada by then. There’s no way that many refugees of any kind would have been accepted anywhere.
Conversion didn’t work for the Nazis either. Edith Stein and her sister were both converts to Christianity (Edith was a nun) but they died at Auschwitz anyway.
War was formally declared on Germany on Sept 2 , 1939. They did not move West until May 1940. S0~ 9 months to relocate elsewhere.
for starters , all Jews with French residency papers could relocate to Algiers (part of Metropolitan France) or anywhere else in the Fr Empire. e.g. Senegal . French Caribbean. Or those islands off Canada. French Empire was huge.
Belgians Jews could relocate to the Belgian Congo.
Dutch Jews could holiday in the West Indies, relocate to Suriname, or East Indies although they would have faced the same challenges as Gentiles with Dutch passports when they Japanese invaded.
Oh and, by the way, Israel is part of the Middle East, case you hadn't noticed.Replies: @Colin Wright
…and not very surprisingly, seems to adhere to about the same moral standards when it comes to waging war. After all, the IDF in Gaza seems to be behaving about like the Phalange in Lebanon, or Saddam Hussein’s Iraqis, or Assad’s Syrians, or Sisi’s Egyptians. It’s more or less the same grade of behavior.
I’ve sometimes thought that God created Israel to teach Jews humility. Whether it has that effect would depend upon the individual Jew, of course.
I don’t know what Mark G has done to annoy HA, but HA’s numbers are wrong, and the consequences of the numbers are bad.
In short:
1. In the 1950s debt to GDP was about 80 percent compared to about 120 percent now. By the 1980s, when we were spending about five to six percent of GDP on defense, debt to gdp ratio had fallen to about forty percent. We could afford to bankrupt the USSR.
2. On a more a granular, and very important level, mandatory outlays as a percentage of gdp were much lower then than they are now. Moreover, and critically, mandatory outlays are projected to keep rising for the next twenty five and more years…..it’s not clear that multi year projections are that reliable, but given the current political priorities, it’s a safe bet that mandatory outlays will continue to rise sharply.
3. That leaves, then, net interest paid on fed debt as a percentage of gdp, which is forecast to rise to more than three and a half percent of gdp by 2030 and to about eight percent of gdp by 2052. Thus, in only six years, net interest spending will be more, much more, than defense spending, and in only one generation will be almost three times defense spending.
Whatever HA thinks of Mark G, for whatever reason, the numbers are inexorable and terrible, and the personal sniping is pointless distraction. The estimable host of this blog is a numerate noticer. It is easy to get and the compare the graphs of these inexorable numbers that don’t give a fig for HA, or Mark G, or any of us…but we are all in the same boat.
The current excess liquidity is debt fueled and unproductive regardless of where the SP500 is…it’s another asset bubble that will eventually pop, as they all eventually do (after the last short capitulates).
There is a narrow path that can be threaded to avoid slumping towards ‘not-even-Brazil’ but towards a giant Argentina…. stop the rise in mandatory outlays (but this is hard to see taking place), raise taxes somewhat (but there are well known limits to excessive taxation), massively increase productivity faster than the projected increase in net interest spending, and finds cuts in discretionary spending.
It is clearly in our national interest to protect the capitalist system which has been proven to be the best of all systems tried to date, as well as to protect free trade and shipping lanes, etc etc. We clearly need to spend a lot of money to do that. But, the correct approach is to work out in a dispassionate manner the optimal percentage of the outlays necessary to advance our communal national interest for the least amount spent, and I emphasize the word communal.
They say that countries go bankrupt slowly and then all of a sudden. We cannot fritter away all of our structural and physical advantages. If we go slowly (and then ‘all of a sudden’) broke in the next thirty years, there are no lifeboats for any of us… we are taking the whole system down with us, and that includes our children’s futures.
Enoch Powell is interesting.
YOU are not that interesting.
The share of the male population in uniform is as low as it has been since 1940.
==Replies: @Mr. Anon
There is a lot of money that is expended on the MIC that is not technically military. There is now a vast infrastructure for what used to be called “spying”. It shows up as expenditures by DHS, the various intelligence agencies (too numerous to mention) and “fusion centers”, not to mention the State Department, USAID, and various other organs of the state. Lockheed Martin is now as much a surveillance company as an armaments manufacturer. It is part of the MIIC – the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex. Or perhaps it could be called MIASMIC: Military Intelligence Academic Scientific Medical Industrial Complex.
Whatever you call it, State Power of the hard variety has not become less influential in American life but more so. People who work in the belly of the beast understand this. You’re a librarian. You don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about.
Conversion didn’t work for the Nazis either. Edith Stein and her sister were both converts to Christianity (Edith was a nun) but they died at Auschwitz anyway.Replies: @houston 1992
There’s no way that many refugees of any kind would have been accepted anywhere.”
War was formally declared on Germany on Sept 2 , 1939. They did not move West until May 1940. S0~ 9 months to relocate elsewhere.
for starters , all Jews with French residency papers could relocate to Algiers (part of Metropolitan France) or anywhere else in the Fr Empire. e.g. Senegal . French Caribbean. Or those islands off Canada. French Empire was huge.
Belgians Jews could relocate to the Belgian Congo.
Dutch Jews could holiday in the West Indies, relocate to Suriname, or East Indies although they would have faced the same challenges as Gentiles with Dutch passports when they Japanese invaded.
https://twitter.com/UnbiasedCrime/status/1766988895609385051
https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1766698383132012674
We must activate Nayib Bukele.Replies: @anonymous
Whenever it’s been reliably reported that black people are eating each other again, why is it that there’s never one PEEP from Black Lives Matter?
I reasonably suspect recipe sharing!
BLACK LIVES MATTER… IS A COOKBOOK!!!!!!
A COOOKBOOOOOOOOOOOK!!!!!!! 🙍🏿♂️
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_ManReplies: @JohnnyWalker123
funny that, but the scuttlebutt was that Chelsea’s wedding was paid for with Haiti aid money from the “Clinton foundation”…..also I just can’t help but mention ,Ghislaine was there front and center…..a dear friend of the family.
Who? Where? If you’re going to make a point, be specific.
“Actually, my daughter related to me how one professor cautiously observed that Putin seemed to be a pretty canny leader.”
Pics or it never happened—Steve Sailer
“Remember the government official who said ‘niggardly’? Wasn’t he fired?”
Jim Quinlisk, who teaches at Brighton High School in Monroe County, returned to his position in January after being suspended with pay for the first half of the 2019-2020 school year WROC-TV reported. The State Education Department Division of Employer-Employee Relations ruled that termination of employment was “not the appropriate penalty in this case," but did find Quinlisk guilty of five charges brought against him in a complaint by a student. He was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine.
So you gave me two vague references and an anecdote. Do better.Replies: @AceDeuce
Wrong guy, bunghole.
I remember back in 1970, high school, a fellow black student told me he had been accepted to West Point. He was a bright fellow but he admitted to me his acceptance was largely due to his BEING BLACK. Yes, White (self) dispossession started “officially” at least way back then. Could make it 1954…or 1948 if you take my meaning.
https://www.thefifthfield.com/about-french-maclean/west-point-class-of-1974/
Apparently WP , Annapolis admission rankings are approx 112, 113 of all USA universities …. One wonders if Steve could generate a Graph of the median, 75 percentile standard versus year
Columbus, New Mexico, 1916:
But as everyone else says, it is actually ongoing since the 1960s in most US cities.
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The CIA and the media is a giant circle-jerk The CIA employs hundreds to create the stories and the media employs thousands to dutifully report the created stories as actual news as every media serving a truly totalitarian state should, the CIA then employs thousands to monitor the media to report on the state of world opinion
I once saw a documentary on how the CIA uses analysts to gauge world opinion Jeezus-the analysts were watching…CNN…and CNBC..and the BBC…and…!
Part of me wanted to say; “Guys and gals WTF are you doin? I know you want a high-paying job but your employers created what you are watching in the first place, someone should cut off the middleman and fire either your part of the system or fire the media part of the system
The system is obviously corrupt as many other things in current Western culture and thus ripe for failure at a critical moment but too many people are simply too invested in it
https://www.isegoria.net/2021/04/the-real-insidiousness-of-it-is-its-unmistakably-hypnotic-structure-and-pacing/The page linked at 4chan has been deleted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5d117k/anon_tells_the_story_of_john_oliver/There is an archive page here, but I do not see any way to recover the full conversation.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210324021211/xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5d117k/anon_tells_the_story_of_john_oliver/Looks like this is the original source. Search for insidiousness.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96600927/Replies: @Almost Missouri
Thanks.
Can I ask how you found those?
My understanding of 4chan is that it has no archives by design. It was sort of the web’s Snapchat before Snapchat made deliberate ephemerality cool.
You gave an image so the first step was to do an image search. That usually works, but not in this case.
Second step was to look at the image for something relatively identifiable or unique. I chose to search (using DDG since looking for crimethink) for one of the user ids plus his name: 96600927 "john oliver"
That was not useful so I tried something else: "insidiousness" "john oliver"
That led to the isegoria link:
https://www.isegoria.net/2021/04/the-real-insidiousness-of-it-is-its-unmistakably-hypnotic-structure-and-pacing/
That led to the deleted 4chan page which in turn led to the archive version.
The last link was most interesting. I went back to your image and noticed the ID of the poster in your image.
I then searched on Google (don't remember why, probably just happened to be in Chrome) for: "bxwmz" "john oliver"
and found the original source.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96600927/
That seemed like a good stopping point.Thanks.
P.S. For some reason Ron seems to REALLY not like linking Reddit (see all the "xxx"s). I wonder why. Should ask him sometime.Replies: @ic1000
I never said Remdesivir shouldn't be dispensed. Anyone who wanted it should have had access to it.
Unlike HA here, I am not an authoritarian who wants to withhold anyone's preferred treatment option. Characters such as HA like the current system where corrupt bureaucrats appointed by corrupt politicians bought and paid for by Big Pharma force their desires on everyone.Replies: @ic1000, @HA
The Argument Clinic. Ad hominem edition.
Separately — BTW and FWIW, somebody with your self-described demographic characteristics would have done better (statistically speaking) to accept the non-zero risks of Covid vaccine harm. Because for people like you (and me), the benefit of the vaccine greatly outweighed that harm.
1. I’ll link to a reference if that’s key to the discussion, but I don’t think that it is.
2. This is “all else being equal,” and you’ve explained that for you, certeris wasn’t paribus. The case for coercive vaccination was weak to begin with, and got worse as the pandemic continued. Autonomy as the public health establishment defined it — “You are free to comply with my demands” — isn’t.
“We can look back over the expanse of the past 30 years and declare that there is no shortage of opinions that people are still permitted to hold.”
Cue the laugh track.
“Permissible.”
As defined by whom?
I hope that this James woman etal. grasp the fact that “the Deplorables” aren’t going away softly into the night.
I never said Remdesivir shouldn't be dispensed. Anyone who wanted it should have had access to it.
Unlike HA here, I am not an authoritarian who wants to withhold anyone's preferred treatment option. Characters such as HA like the current system where corrupt bureaucrats appointed by corrupt politicians bought and paid for by Big Pharma force their desires on everyone.Replies: @ic1000, @HA
“I never said Remdesivir shouldn’t be dispensed…”
Yeah, sure. I didn’t claim you demanded that it be forbidden by mandate. I’m referring to evidence-free comments such as
But no, you never said Remdesivir shouldn’t be dispensed, did you? Yeah, sure.
No one is saying that any treatment for something as serious as hospitalization-stage COVID is hitch-free, especially those that actually work (as opposed to, say, the nutritional supplements you like to prattle about, which don’t do all that much once COVID gets bad enough to put you in the ER) and I have no doubt that whatever regimen was chosen, some people reacted badly and died. Remdesivir is no different. But don’t try and feed me any lines what you claim should and shouldn’t be dispensed. Like I said — despite your insistence that it was ineffective, you evidently did pretty well with it, but as for the rest of us, cheap out-of-patent steroids and nutritional supplements are good enough, because you think they’re better for us and because — despite your abundant stupidity in managing your own COVID — you think you’re somehow in a position to dispense medical advice to others. Funny how that works.
The heads of the big federal health agencies are appointed by the president. You think a corrupt senile politician like Biden is somehow qualified to pick the people who are in charge of dispensing medical advice.Replies: @HA
In 20/20 hindsight, the best thing for everyone would have been if all 12 million Jews had moved to America. But (among other things) this would not have pleased the grandfathers of the Men of Unz so it was not to be. Even right now, the Men of Unz proposing that the Palestine question be solved by all the Jews leaving would have to fight with the Men of Unz who would not want 7 million more Jews in America.
But no one had a crystal ball (and we still don’t). There is something to be said for “not putting all your eggs in one basket”. Israel is a hedge against things going south for the Jews in the Diaspora (how long before France becomes unlivable for Jews?) and vice versa.
Separately -- BTW and FWIW, somebody with your self-described demographic characteristics would have done better (statistically speaking) to accept the non-zero risks of Covid vaccine harm. Because for people like you (and me), the benefit of the vaccine greatly outweighed that harm.
1. I'll link to a reference if that's key to the discussion, but I don't think that it is.
2. This is "all else being equal," and you've explained that for you, certeris wasn't paribus. The case for coercive vaccination was weak to begin with, and got worse as the pandemic continued. Autonomy as the public health establishment defined it -- "You are free to comply with my demands" -- isn't.Replies: @HA
“The case for coercive vaccination was weak to begin with, and got worse as the pandemic continued. Autonomy as the public health establishment defined it — ‘You are free to comply with my demands’ — isn’t.”
Like I said, the courts frequently sided with the anti-vaxxers during the pandemic and I have no problem with that. That’s why we have them there. Historically, infectious diseases (and disaster relief and prevention and mass events like that) allow governments to get a little more leeway with regard to authority, given that allowing everyone to live their lives as they see fit (i.e. the way things usually ought to be) results in harm to others, or the dire erosion of some common good, but it’s always give-and-take and a work in progress and no one denies that even well-intentioned governments (if that’s even possible) can go too far.
The reason the state feels justified in telling people to strap on a seat belt and leave their air bags intact (unless they’re little people, or something like that) is because there are only so many EMT’s and ambulances in any jurisdiction, and so if there’s a multi-crash collision, it can be shown statistically that having everybody strapped in reduces the chances that that EMT’s — a resource that is very scarce indeed in the moments after a crash — are overwhelmed. So, even though seat belts and air bags can kill people, the state can decide to curtail that much-ballyhooed freedom of the open road to ensure they’re being used, and I kind of get it. It gets murkier when we’re talking about novel viruses and their dangers, but again, that’s why we have courts.
Seat belts and airbags are not a great comparison for the vaccines.
First, seat belt and airbag manufacturers do not have the benefit of a liability waiver as the vaccine manufacturers do.
Second, one of the major points of vaccine coercion is supposed to be the societal benefit of "herd immunity." Of course that just means decreased transmission, not "no one gets Covid."
Third, I don't think seat belts and air bags were justified for the reasons you cite. They were justified based on saving the lives of people using seat belts and airbags.
P.S. Coercing someone to use a product for which the manufacturer has a liability waiver takes some serious chutzpah.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @HA
...your whole implicit argument here is absurd. If you did feel yourself in dire peril peril as a Jew, you would stay here in the US, or possibly move to Australia or wherever, or even consider conversion (if that were an option).
Point is, there's no plausible scenario where that strip of desert surrounded by people who have come to hate you would be your safe haven. That dog just won't hunt.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Jack D
This is precisely the reason why Israel has to exist. If the time came that all 7.5 million Jews living in the US had to leave, do you really think that Australia would take them? Israel is the only country where you can be sure that the doors will be open. I might prefer Australia but would Australia prefer me?
My family did choose to immigrate to the US and I don’t regret that at all, but you have to know that this was only after years of sitting in a displaced persons camp and all sorts of interviews and applications and paperwork and obtaining sponsorships and blah, blah, blah. The same would apply if you wanted to move to Australia tomorrow, especially if 7.5 million others all had the same idea. Fortunately the war was over by then so they were not in danger during the years that this process took. However, if they had started this same process in 1938 instead of 1948, they would have been ashes by the time that their approvals came thru.
I agree with you that on its face a strip of desert surrounded by a billion hostile Muslims is a shitty refuge but it’s all that the Jews have got. The only square foot of territory in the world that they can call their own.
Meanwhile, the “Palestinians” have the entire Arab world. They should have disappeared into it decades ago just like the 800,000 Germans of Konigsberg melted into the German population decades ago. They were kept there (and are STILL being kept there – Egypt won’t allow anyone to cross) as a thorn in the side of Israel.
The notion of an autarchic Israel providing a home for thirteen million Jews is completely implausible. It's simply a recipe for collective suicide.Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco
And not just Israel, but Palestine should be forced to abide by the nuclear non-proliferation treaty -- and until that happens, no US aid for either one, as US law specifies.
Then, of course, there would be the civil and property rights of those Palestinians driven out of the territory allotted to the Jews, and -- be fair -- the issue of the civil and property rights of those Jews driven out of the territory allotted to the Palestinians.
I'm with you, Jack. Impartial rule of the law, and applicable resolutions.
https://www.enemyinmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/1947-partition.jpg
Israel has accepted it. Will the Palestinian Authority?Replies: @Jack D
The Israelis were willing to accept the ’47 Partition Lines (just like they were willing to accept Hamas’s control of the Gaza Strip). In each case it was the Arab side who objected and fought for more.
When you demand all or nothing, nothing is one of the possible outcomes. If you go to the casino and put all your chips on red then you will double your $ if you win, so if it comes up black you don’t get to say, “can I have my chips back please?” The boat on the ’47 Partition sailed when the Arab armies attacked just like the boat of Hamas’s control of Gaza sailed when they attacked on 10/7. It’s not Israel’s fault that Arabs have incredibly dumb and violent leadership.
In any case, one could much more reasonably inquire as to why Ashkenazim didn't just disappear into the Western world, and the Mizrahi stay right where they were. Hell: absent the shenanigans of the Zionists, that's just what would have happened.
Your position is this; you have come and taken my house by force and guile. When I protest, you demand to know why I don't go find myself another house.
I've got a house; you're in it. You leave.Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D, @Wielgus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledot_Yeshu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ZoroJdVnAHe steadfastly refused to institute racial profiling against Muslims. And he did nothing to secure the borders.Bush won a huge amount of political capital on 9/11. He blew it all (and then some) on the invasion of Iraq. When the weapons of mass destruction failed to materialize he lost some credibility. But he still managed to win re-election in 2004.The real turning point was the Katrina catastrophe in late August/early September 2005. The chaos in New Orleans revealed the stark reality of black dysfunction for all to see. But CNN plastered TV screens across the country with endless clip reels of bodies floating in the streets and Anderson Cooper bawling his eyes out. The federal response was somewhat sluggish (as it was after Hurricane Andrew, which I remember vividly) but the constant 24/7 news coverage ("N'awlins is dying and Bush doesn't give a shit!") was unprecedented. Bush's reputation never recovered.The Republicans lost control of Congress in the 2006 midterms. Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House in January 2007. Just days later, Hillary and Barry launched their presidential campaigns.Hillary was the anointed front-runner. She was shocked when Barry won Iowa.The Iowa caucus was on a Thursday. On Friday morning Barry was already being introduced as "the next president of the United States". Over the weekend Hillary's campaign seemed to fall apart and it looked like she was finished. But then on Monday she went on television and she cried. Tears fell down her cheeks. The New Hampshire primary voters were so impressed by her unprecedented show of emotion that they granted her an upset victory on Tuesday.McCain wrapped up the Republican nomination well in advance of Super Tuesday in early February. But neither Democratic candidate was able to score a knockout blow.Hillary's last best hope of beating Obama came when the "Jeremiah Wright controversy" (as Wikipedia describes it) erupted around the ides of March. For a couple of days Wright's stirring refrain of "God Damn America!" bellowed across the nation.An excerpt from this sermon, originally delivered on the Sunday after 9/11, got a fair amount of attention:But then Obama gave one of his smarmy speeches in which he attempted to distance himself from Wright while flatly refusing to disown him. His message, essentially, was that if Wright's rhetoric was outrageous and offensive, it was no more outrageous and offensive than the RACISM! that Wright had experienced all of his life. The media swooned over Barry's brilliance and declared the Wright issue null and void. The good pastor accepted a hefty cash "donation" and kept his mouth shut.After that it was all but certain that Obama would be the nominee. Hillary had blown her wad.She refused to quit even after it became clear that it was mathematically impossible for her to secure enough delegates to win the nomination. Some of her people even muttered about the possibility of a floor fight at the convention in late August. But in the end she bowed out after the California primary in the first week of June.The Republican convention was set to begin on Labor Day 2008. Obama delivered his grandiose acceptance speech at Mile High Stadium on the preceding Thursday. The very next morning, McCain announced his selection of Sarah Palin as running mate.But as luck would have it, over that weekend, it became clear that another major hurricane (Gustav) was heading directly for New Orleans, with landfall scheduled for Labor Day morning. The GOP hurriedly cancelled the opening session.Gustav weakened and turned away from the city at the last moment, but the GOP party was spoiled by yet another bombshell: the revelation that Sarah Palin's daughter (I forget her name) was pregnant.Exactly two weeks later, another hurricane (Ike) took aim at Galveston, prompting the shutdown of numerous Gulf oil platforms and briefly sending the price of crude soaring past the $100 mark. But the really big disaster came in New York. An economic tidal surge swamped the teetering Lehman Brothers, undermining the bank's foundation and causing that storied edifice to collapse.Just prior to the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Obama and McCain were running neck-and-neck in the polls. But as the financial carnage mounted, the Half-Blood Prince began to pull ahead. By early October it was clear that the Magic Negro had it in the bag.On November 4, 2008, Obama won the presidential election, and the fate of America was sealed.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri
Two things you’re leaving out from my perspective as I watched the 2008 election:
Obama picked Biden the joke as his VP which many of us thought was insane (still stand by that!), the Palin pick electrified the Republican base and it took quite a while for the usual suspects starting with McCain’s campaign manager to mostly destroy her political career. (The final blow was her idiocy back home in pushing (signing?) an “ethics” bill that easily allowed enemies to bankrupt anyone they targeted).
When the financial crisis hit, McCain Officially suspended his campaign and went back to D.C. to … be a Senator, where his colleagues knifed him in the back (the latter not surprising since he was such an awful, vindictive and powerful PoS; look at for example Lindsey Graham’s change in behavior after McCain was dead). This was particularly stupid because it did not constrain Obama’s response, he didn’t do that, and among other things not being a lifelong legislator, in truth he looked a lot more Presidential than McCain.
Picking Palin was when I thought McCain had a chance. The financial crisis stunt was when I was all but certain he would lose. OK, I’d add a third thing, I don’t think he or the GOPe wanted to defeat the first negro US Presidential candidate, Negroidolatry is truly that strong in them.
OK, that’s an appeal to authority but I’ve been following elections since 1972 and my early Silent Generation mother who taught me a lot of this for even longer. Our predictions have a good track record.
Romney looked good in 2012, particularly during the first debate. But appearances can be deceiving.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack D
That's partly why the MSM focused so much firepower on her, more than they focused on McCain and more than they have ever focused on a VP candidate. She was the edge that just might have spoiled their Obama coronation.
Is the kind of farming African negroes did “for over 2000 years” sufficiently similar to what describes?
Very much not an expert on this, but factoids I’ve heard are:
In much of Africa, farming the land is not very hard, it’s a bountiful place.
Farming the land is often low respect woman’s work.
Herding is a thing, but a very different sort of thing.
For a good metric I suggest the one used: how much were fences a thing back in those over two thousand years? Then again we should ask how much they were a thing in white and Asian farming going way back.
This is a (stylized) drawing of a Zulu kraal from 1857. The basic layout of a kraal was a double ring fence. The huts of the villagers were between the 1st and 2nd ring and the cattle were kept (at least at night) in the inner ring.
https://c7.alamy.com/comp/2BDXH28/south-africa-zulu-kraal-1857-2BDXH28.jpgReplies: @ThreeCranes
My family did choose to immigrate to the US and I don't regret that at all, but you have to know that this was only after years of sitting in a displaced persons camp and all sorts of interviews and applications and paperwork and obtaining sponsorships and blah, blah, blah. The same would apply if you wanted to move to Australia tomorrow, especially if 7.5 million others all had the same idea. Fortunately the war was over by then so they were not in danger during the years that this process took. However, if they had started this same process in 1938 instead of 1948, they would have been ashes by the time that their approvals came thru.
I agree with you that on its face a strip of desert surrounded by a billion hostile Muslims is a shitty refuge but it's all that the Jews have got. The only square foot of territory in the world that they can call their own.
Meanwhile, the "Palestinians" have the entire Arab world. They should have disappeared into it decades ago just like the 800,000 Germans of Konigsberg melted into the German population decades ago. They were kept there (and are STILL being kept there - Egypt won't allow anyone to cross) as a thorn in the side of Israel.Replies: @Colin Wright, @J.Ross, @Art Deco
This argument’s pretty tired. If the US isn’t subservient to Jews in the first place, Israel will have a life expectancy of five months.
The notion of an autarchic Israel providing a home for thirteen million Jews is completely implausible. It’s simply a recipe for collective suicide.
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Again, American aid to Israel accounts for about 1.2% of its gross national income. They could dispense with it. It was minimal prior to 1973. Israel in comparison with just about any occidental country has healthy financial, economic, and demographic metrics.
It actually literally is, specifically in the case of Hamas. That was actually a reasonable post until its last line.
My family did choose to immigrate to the US and I don't regret that at all, but you have to know that this was only after years of sitting in a displaced persons camp and all sorts of interviews and applications and paperwork and obtaining sponsorships and blah, blah, blah. The same would apply if you wanted to move to Australia tomorrow, especially if 7.5 million others all had the same idea. Fortunately the war was over by then so they were not in danger during the years that this process took. However, if they had started this same process in 1938 instead of 1948, they would have been ashes by the time that their approvals came thru.
I agree with you that on its face a strip of desert surrounded by a billion hostile Muslims is a shitty refuge but it's all that the Jews have got. The only square foot of territory in the world that they can call their own.
Meanwhile, the "Palestinians" have the entire Arab world. They should have disappeared into it decades ago just like the 800,000 Germans of Konigsberg melted into the German population decades ago. They were kept there (and are STILL being kept there - Egypt won't allow anyone to cross) as a thorn in the side of Israel.Replies: @Colin Wright, @J.Ross, @Art Deco
Australia actually would take them, Australia’s actually a terrible example (a country getting cucked on immivasion because it is controlled by both wealthy Jews and Chinese, and Jews and Chinese agree about erasing the whiteness of every country). Palestine at one time was a much steeper aliyah climb because of, y’know, the people that were living there at the time.
“you think you’re somehow in a position to dispense medical advice to others”
The heads of the big federal health agencies are appointed by the president. You think a corrupt senile politician like Biden is somehow qualified to pick the people who are in charge of dispensing medical advice.
Bullshit. This canard has been refuted before — and here you are, trotting it out once more. What’s the point of refuting it again?
I’m a tad skeptical of that. Was farming really the norm in Black Africa two thousand years ago?
…not merely present, but the norm? That farm labor was normally relegated to women suggests to me societies that had only taken it up relatively recently; men were still the ‘hunters’ — even if there wasn’t much left to hunt.
My family did choose to immigrate to the US and I don't regret that at all, but you have to know that this was only after years of sitting in a displaced persons camp and all sorts of interviews and applications and paperwork and obtaining sponsorships and blah, blah, blah. The same would apply if you wanted to move to Australia tomorrow, especially if 7.5 million others all had the same idea. Fortunately the war was over by then so they were not in danger during the years that this process took. However, if they had started this same process in 1938 instead of 1948, they would have been ashes by the time that their approvals came thru.
I agree with you that on its face a strip of desert surrounded by a billion hostile Muslims is a shitty refuge but it's all that the Jews have got. The only square foot of territory in the world that they can call their own.
Meanwhile, the "Palestinians" have the entire Arab world. They should have disappeared into it decades ago just like the 800,000 Germans of Konigsberg melted into the German population decades ago. They were kept there (and are STILL being kept there - Egypt won't allow anyone to cross) as a thorn in the side of Israel.Replies: @Colin Wright, @J.Ross, @Art Deco
The Muslim states were never willing to do more than pay some protection money to gangsters like Yasir Arafat. Not too different from what the occidental suckers did, bar that the protection money was laundered through UNRWA. Iraq may have aspired to drop an atomic bomb on Tel Aviv; however, the last time they sent an expeditionary force contra Israel was in 1948. Iran’s stance is frozen in amber because the country’s autocrat has been kicking around in top jobs for 40-odd years; imagine John Kennedy and Dean Rusk were tangling with one of Lenin’s cabinet ministers. Well, pseudo-Ayatollah Khameinei has a life expectancy a tad over five years. Leaving aside some dogfights with the Syrian air force, no Arab state has come to blows with Israel in 50 years. All the violence has been at the hands of paramilitary outfits (two of them extensions of Iran).
Just to re-iterate, the Arab bosses (countenanced by Arab publics) have rejected five separate offers of amended institutional arrangements since 1970, including two straight-up offers of an Arab state on the West Bank and Gaza. Self-government has never been the issue for them.
Toledot Yeshu is sort of the Jewish version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It never had mainstream acceptance even in its time and its time was the 10th century. In modern times, antisemites are much more likely to know about it than Jews. It’s not surprising that Colin never heard of anything like this because it does not form a part of the thinking of 99% of all Jews. To the extent that Jews know about it at all (most don’t) they regard it as some sort of ancient forgery and not a serious work of scholarship or a part of accepted Jewish liturgy.
In general, its main function has been to piss off Christians rather than to convince any Jews and most of the people who have written about it, translated it, been outraged about it, etc. have been Christian.
However, in a general sense it embodies Jewish thinking about Jesus. To Jews, Mary must have had sex with somebody and the story about his virgin birth is not true. Nor are the stories about his resurrection and ascension to heaven and the stories about the miracles that he performed during his lifetime. None of that is true. (For that matter, most modern non-Orthodox Jews don’t accept that the stories in the Old Testament about the creation of the earth in 7 days and the parting of the Red Sea by Moses and so on are true either).
But there is no point in making up some other fake story to substitute for the fake story of the Gospels. It’s enough to say what didn’t happen* and accept that we don’t know what really did.
* in Yiddish, when someone tells you a story that you don’t believe (let’s say you are a black professor at Columbia U. and you are saying that the Nazis of Manhattan have vandalized your office and spray painted badly formed swastikas all over the walls while carefully avoiding your framed artwork) instead of saying “bullshit” you say,”Nisht geshtoygn un nisht gefloygn” which means “Did not climb and did not fly.” This is in reference to another famous story that you don’t believe to be true either.
I’m not really aware that PC went away. Maybe there were a few tactical withdrawals here and there. But essentially it’s spent a few years entrenching, consolidating, concrete bunkers have been poured and the next offensive is underway. The direction of travel is clear.
Very much not an expert on this, but factoids I've heard are:
In much of Africa, farming the land is not very hard, it's a bountiful place.
Farming the land is often low respect woman's work.
Herding is a thing, but a very different sort of thing.
For a good metric I suggest the one @ThreeCranes used: how much were fences a thing back in those over two thousand years? Then again we should ask how much they were a thing in white and Asian farming going way back.Replies: @Jack D
Yes, fences in (at least parts of ) Africa were a thing. Look at the Afrikaans word “kraal” (same root as Spanish/now English corral).
This is a (stylized) drawing of a Zulu kraal from 1857. The basic layout of a kraal was a double ring fence. The huts of the villagers were between the 1st and 2nd ring and the cattle were kept (at least at night) in the inner ring.
Obama picked Biden the joke as his VP which many of us thought was insane (still stand by that!), the Palin pick electrified the Republican base and it took quite a while for the usual suspects starting with McCain's campaign manager to mostly destroy her political career. (The final blow was her idiocy back home in pushing (signing?) an "ethics" bill that easily allowed enemies to bankrupt anyone they targeted).
When the financial crisis hit, McCain Officially suspended his campaign and went back to D.C. to ... be a Senator, where his colleagues knifed him in the back (the latter not surprising since he was such an awful, vindictive and powerful PoS; look at for example Lindsey Graham's change in behavior after McCain was dead). This was particularly stupid because it did not constrain Obama's response, he didn't do that, and among other things not being a lifelong legislator, in truth he looked a lot more Presidential than McCain.
Picking Palin was when I thought McCain had a chance. The financial crisis stunt was when I was all but certain he would lose. OK, I'd add a third thing, I don't think he or the GOPe wanted to defeat the first negro US Presidential candidate, Negroidolatry is truly that strong in them.
OK, that's an appeal to authority but I've been following elections since 1972 and my early Silent Generation mother who taught me a lot of this for even longer. Our predictions have a good track record.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Almost Missouri
I remember watching one of the presidential debates and being struck by McCain’s physical decrepitude as he ambled onto the stage. Obama had that youthful glow.
Romney looked good in 2012, particularly during the first debate. But appearances can be deceiving.
Like "Dude wut? We're getting attacked and all you can do is promise to cooperate with the enemy?!?!" And this guy was supposed to have been a heroic military leader!?!?
At exactly the time the country needed genuine opposition, McCain promised unlimited collaboration.
The only mystery is that he didn't lose harder.
Well, it's not really a mystery. The answer is "Palin".Replies: @Stan Adams, @deep anonymous
Thanks. Here is his data source for anyone interested in digging deeper.
https://www.globaltradealert.org/global_dynamics
You've plopped yourself in a strip of semidesert lacking the resources to support more than a fraction of the current population, alienated all your neighbors, ensured the surviving native population will hate you for all eternity, lost the good will of most of the planet, and left yourself dependent on the continuing support of a notoriously fickle people in a state that is rapidly losing its ability to control events or to help anyone.
What did you miss?Replies: @Dmon, @Jack D
You’re wrong. Just like Japan, the main resource that any country needs is its human capital. If you have that, the rest will follow.
Recently, Israel signed a deal with Jordan to export 200 million cubic meters of water annually to water short Jordan (in return Jordan will build a huge solar farm in the middle of the desert and export electricity to Israel). How is it possible that equally arid Israel is able to export water to Jordan? Because, using their human capital (and the other kind too) they have built massive desalination plants which can make fresh water out of the infinite waters of the Mediterranean Sea. So the desert isn’t really a desert anymore. Where you see only a desert, Israelis build vineyards full of juicy grapes (using the drip irrigation system that they invented and which is now used worldwide).
You would have been right to describe what is now Israel as a semidesert. Read Mark Twain’s description of it in Innocents Abroad. Just another desolate strip of trackless desert indistinguishable from the 1,000 other trackless deserts of the Arab world. A few Arab villages with some skinny looking goats. But the Jews have transformed the place.
Leaving aside the gratuitous abuse of Mark Twain to denigrate the Palestinians, I'm sure you're wrong about the prospects for thirteen million Jews feeding themselves off what they can grow in Israel.
So sure in fact, that I'll let you work it out. Take Japan's arable land and divide by her population: per capita arable land. Now divide by the percentage of Japan's total food consumption that she grows on her own, expressed as a decimal. That'll get you the area of arable land required to feed one Japanese.
Now plug in the values for Israel. Betcha the answer is unfortunate; no, you are not going to feed thirteen million Jews with what you grow in Israel.
Now, being Jack, either redirect, obfuscate, or fail to respond at all.Replies: @Jack D
Weird. I could have sworn I had heard of material like this — but you know best, Jack.
Redirection time!
In any case, one could much more reasonably inquire as to why Ashkenazim didn’t just disappear into the Western world, and the Mizrahi stay right where they were. Hell: absent the shenanigans of the Zionists, that’s just what would have happened.
Your position is this; you have come and taken my house by force and guile. When I protest, you demand to know why I don’t go find myself another house.
I’ve got a house; you’re in it. You leave.
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You could inquire, but it wouldn't be a reasonable inquiry. The reason the Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews decamped to Israel is well known.
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People who actually are reasonable might keep in mind that Arab refugees are people who landed in shanty towns about 50 miles to the east or 50 miles to the southwest of where they were previously.
American Indians are immigrants from Asia, and immigrants from Asia are referred to as “Asians”. just like Koreans and Japanese and Indians and Vietnamese are. Therefore, we should group American Indians in the “Asians” category. If you want to distinguish them from subcons, you can call them “East Asians” or “Mongoloids”.Replies: @epebble, @Muggles
This is a rather pointless discussion, but anyway…
The “tribes of the Americas” were originally called “Indians” by European explorers. But these people weren’t from India, where the Europeans thought they had landed.
Columbus, et. al., didn’t call them “Asians” though he thought that’s where he was.
Only recently have the “tribes” been shown to be originally from Siberia.
Asia is the largest and most diverse continent of differing peoples and subgroups.
They are Siberians who migrated to the Americas. So “Siberian Americans” they are. Just as we use European Americans and African Americans and Asian Americans (for East Asians only).
Siberians are a distinct subgroup of the huge Asian population(s).
In fact there are more “Siberians” now in the Americas than there are now in Asia.
Nonetheless, most will continue to call them “Indians” or some, fadishly, use “native Americans” or “First nations”.
Can I ask how you found those?
My understanding of 4chan is that it has no archives by design. It was sort of the web's Snapchat before Snapchat made deliberate ephemerality cool.Replies: @res
Sure. I’ll try to recapture from memory and browser history. I probably won’t get all of the blind alleys (e.g. having to add quotes to a search term).
You gave an image so the first step was to do an image search. That usually works, but not in this case.
Second step was to look at the image for something relatively identifiable or unique. I chose to search (using DDG since looking for crimethink) for one of the user ids plus his name: 96600927 “john oliver”
That was not useful so I tried something else: “insidiousness” “john oliver”
That led to the isegoria link:
https://www.isegoria.net/2021/04/the-real-insidiousness-of-it-is-its-unmistakably-hypnotic-structure-and-pacing/
That led to the deleted 4chan page which in turn led to the archive version.
The last link was most interesting. I went back to your image and noticed the ID of the poster in your image.
I then searched on Google (don’t remember why, probably just happened to be in Chrome) for: “bxwmz” “john oliver”
and found the original source.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96600927/
That seemed like a good stopping point.
Thanks.
P.S. For some reason Ron seems to REALLY not like linking Reddit (see all the “xxx”s). I wonder why. Should ask him sometime.
https://www.rt.com/business/592698-israel-economy-contraction-hamas-war/Replies: @Pixo, @a Newsreader
D’oh! Now I have BDSM in my search history and I still don’t know what you’re talking about. lol
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But as everyone else says, it is actually ongoing since the 1960s in most US cities.Replies: @Joe Stalin
Months afterwards. Better late than never, but the damage was done.
Seat belts and airbags are not a great comparison for the vaccines.
First, seat belt and airbag manufacturers do not have the benefit of a liability waiver as the vaccine manufacturers do.
Second, one of the major points of vaccine coercion is supposed to be the societal benefit of “herd immunity.” Of course that just means decreased transmission, not “no one gets Covid.”
Third, I don’t think seat belts and air bags were justified for the reasons you cite. They were justified based on saving the lives of people using seat belts and airbags.
P.S. Coercing someone to use a product for which the manufacturer has a liability waiver takes some serious chutzpah.
Some here probably think various issues are separable. For instance, that you could tackle immigration--close the border, stop the deluge. Indeed, that's the most critical issue, and would give us a fighting chance at a future.
But you'd still have trannie and queer shit pushed in the schools and the denigration of normality, marriage and family. You'd still have cancerous DIE propaganda. You'd still have AA and be dragging along the "Civil Rights" legal/bureaucratic boat anchor--and legal $$$ shakedowns sucking money from productive people. You'd still have recurrent Floyd-a-paloozas, inadequate policing and shitty cities. You'd still be unable to have reasonable conversations about eugenics and eugenic policies and ergo still have dysgenic decline.
No, the normal productive majority must be in charge of their nation and governing it in their own interest--to maintain and reproduce themselves, their culture, their nation.
You really do have to sink the bad ship Minoritarianism. We all must stand the watch.Replies: @kaganovitch
I don’t really disagree with any of this, but I think ‘Minoritarianism’ is more a symptom than a cause. It is the loss of civilizational self confidence that allows the Minoritarian bacillus to invade. It’s sort of like (apocryphal) Chesterton’s aphorism “When a man ceases to believe in God, he doesn’t believe in nothing. He will believe in anything.” While it may not be true theologically, it is true, and how!, culturally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ZoroJdVnAHe steadfastly refused to institute racial profiling against Muslims. And he did nothing to secure the borders.Bush won a huge amount of political capital on 9/11. He blew it all (and then some) on the invasion of Iraq. When the weapons of mass destruction failed to materialize he lost some credibility. But he still managed to win re-election in 2004.The real turning point was the Katrina catastrophe in late August/early September 2005. The chaos in New Orleans revealed the stark reality of black dysfunction for all to see. But CNN plastered TV screens across the country with endless clip reels of bodies floating in the streets and Anderson Cooper bawling his eyes out. The federal response was somewhat sluggish (as it was after Hurricane Andrew, which I remember vividly) but the constant 24/7 news coverage ("N'awlins is dying and Bush doesn't give a shit!") was unprecedented. Bush's reputation never recovered.The Republicans lost control of Congress in the 2006 midterms. Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House in January 2007. Just days later, Hillary and Barry launched their presidential campaigns.Hillary was the anointed front-runner. She was shocked when Barry won Iowa.The Iowa caucus was on a Thursday. On Friday morning Barry was already being introduced as "the next president of the United States". Over the weekend Hillary's campaign seemed to fall apart and it looked like she was finished. But then on Monday she went on television and she cried. Tears fell down her cheeks. The New Hampshire primary voters were so impressed by her unprecedented show of emotion that they granted her an upset victory on Tuesday.McCain wrapped up the Republican nomination well in advance of Super Tuesday in early February. But neither Democratic candidate was able to score a knockout blow.Hillary's last best hope of beating Obama came when the "Jeremiah Wright controversy" (as Wikipedia describes it) erupted around the ides of March. For a couple of days Wright's stirring refrain of "God Damn America!" bellowed across the nation.An excerpt from this sermon, originally delivered on the Sunday after 9/11, got a fair amount of attention:But then Obama gave one of his smarmy speeches in which he attempted to distance himself from Wright while flatly refusing to disown him. His message, essentially, was that if Wright's rhetoric was outrageous and offensive, it was no more outrageous and offensive than the RACISM! that Wright had experienced all of his life. The media swooned over Barry's brilliance and declared the Wright issue null and void. The good pastor accepted a hefty cash "donation" and kept his mouth shut.After that it was all but certain that Obama would be the nominee. Hillary had blown her wad.She refused to quit even after it became clear that it was mathematically impossible for her to secure enough delegates to win the nomination. Some of her people even muttered about the possibility of a floor fight at the convention in late August. But in the end she bowed out after the California primary in the first week of June.The Republican convention was set to begin on Labor Day 2008. Obama delivered his grandiose acceptance speech at Mile High Stadium on the preceding Thursday. The very next morning, McCain announced his selection of Sarah Palin as running mate.But as luck would have it, over that weekend, it became clear that another major hurricane (Gustav) was heading directly for New Orleans, with landfall scheduled for Labor Day morning. The GOP hurriedly cancelled the opening session.Gustav weakened and turned away from the city at the last moment, but the GOP party was spoiled by yet another bombshell: the revelation that Sarah Palin's daughter (I forget her name) was pregnant.Exactly two weeks later, another hurricane (Ike) took aim at Galveston, prompting the shutdown of numerous Gulf oil platforms and briefly sending the price of crude soaring past the $100 mark. But the really big disaster came in New York. An economic tidal surge swamped the teetering Lehman Brothers, undermining the bank's foundation and causing that storied edifice to collapse.Just prior to the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Obama and McCain were running neck-and-neck in the polls. But as the financial carnage mounted, the Half-Blood Prince began to pull ahead. By early October it was clear that the Magic Negro had it in the bag.On November 4, 2008, Obama won the presidential election, and the fate of America was sealed.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri
I don’t think the mosque visit was political correctness, but rather it was a prudent statement of political authority to Muslims already here: “Thou shalt be peaceful!” (It certainly wasn’t an accurate statement of Islamic theology. There was just no point in making more enemies, especially when some of the potential enemies could be kept on-side.) It did get mocked a lot on the right as if it were political correctness, though.
Most likely his lawyers just told him they were going to have a hard time getting that through the courts.
Yes, but in this he was like every other recent President (except kinda sorta Trump), and his inaction was likely for Chamber of Commerce reasons rather than for political correctness reasons.
Agreed, but again that’s nothing to do with political correctness. Indeed, the “politically correct” were largely opposed to the Iraq invasion. It was an early case of the modern horseshoe re-alignment where the paleo right and paleo left kind of agree with each other while opposing the neocons and neolibs who also agree with each other. The former pair tend not to cooperate, while the latter pair do cooperate. The latter pair got their way.
I agree with the rest of your political history of the aughties, and also with TWBT’s gloss on it.
That was a peculiar footnote of 2008. I recall pundits’ bafflement at New Hampshire’s bucking the trend. Possibly it was that NH didn’t want to become simply the rubberstamp to whatever Iowa decided, so they indulged in some passive-aggressive contrarianism. Or maybe women’s tears really do win in the marketplace of ideas.
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I once saw a documentary on how the CIA uses analysts to gauge world opinion Jeezus-the analysts were watching...CNN...and CNBC..and the BBC...and...!
Part of me wanted to say; "Guys and gals WTF are you doin? I know you want a high-paying job but your employers created what you are watching in the first place, someone should cut off the middleman and fire either your part of the system or fire the media part of the system
The system is obviously corrupt as many other things in current Western culture and thus ripe for failure at a critical moment but too many people are simply too invested in itReplies: @Hypnotoad666
Talk about getting high on your own supply. And then we wonder why it’s one massive intelligence failure after another when we actually need some reliable data and real analysis. In addition to being evil, they are really expensive and useless.
Another tired old horse…
Leaving aside the gratuitous abuse of Mark Twain to denigrate the Palestinians, I’m sure you’re wrong about the prospects for thirteen million Jews feeding themselves off what they can grow in Israel.
So sure in fact, that I’ll let you work it out. Take Japan’s arable land and divide by her population: per capita arable land. Now divide by the percentage of Japan’s total food consumption that she grows on her own, expressed as a decimal. That’ll get you the area of arable land required to feed one Japanese.
Now plug in the values for Israel. Betcha the answer is unfortunate; no, you are not going to feed thirteen million Jews with what you grow in Israel.
Now, being Jack, either redirect, obfuscate, or fail to respond at all.
Seat belts and airbags are not a great comparison for the vaccines.
First, seat belt and airbag manufacturers do not have the benefit of a liability waiver as the vaccine manufacturers do.
Second, one of the major points of vaccine coercion is supposed to be the societal benefit of "herd immunity." Of course that just means decreased transmission, not "no one gets Covid."
Third, I don't think seat belts and air bags were justified for the reasons you cite. They were justified based on saving the lives of people using seat belts and airbags.
P.S. Coercing someone to use a product for which the manufacturer has a liability waiver takes some serious chutzpah.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @HA
One of the darkly amusing chapters of the Vaccine Mandate War was how all the “MY BODY, MY CHOICE!”-types suddenly and seamlessly switched sides to proclaiming “EVERYBODY MUST GET VAXXED!”
I briefly wondered if that meant that the “body integrity” argument against abortion was over. Briefly. For like a microsecond.
To be fair, though, it does seem to me that since the vax mandate fail, the pro-abortion chant has been more like “[pause] [pause], MY CHOICE!” in a furtive acknowledgment that their argument was never principled.
Seat belts and airbags are not a great comparison for the vaccines.
First, seat belt and airbag manufacturers do not have the benefit of a liability waiver as the vaccine manufacturers do.
Second, one of the major points of vaccine coercion is supposed to be the societal benefit of "herd immunity." Of course that just means decreased transmission, not "no one gets Covid."
Third, I don't think seat belts and air bags were justified for the reasons you cite. They were justified based on saving the lives of people using seat belts and airbags.
P.S. Coercing someone to use a product for which the manufacturer has a liability waiver takes some serious chutzpah.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @HA
“Months afterwards. Better late than never, but the damage was done.”
Tell it to the black guy who couldn’t afford to pay bail, or couldn’t convince Chubb to underwrite the relevant bond, and is therefore forced to sit in a county jail for months on end. I know the just-a-flue bros think they’re special little flowers who deserve to jump to the front of every line, and asking them to stay 6ft apart in that line or strap on a mask means (for at least a few of them) that they ought to be able to beat up a flight attendant or food worker by way of constitutional just desserts, but it is what it is. The government was speedy indeed when it came to providing funding, running trials, crunching papers and getting them through peer review, etc. — all of which was needed to get these vaccines into circulation (as a certain presidential candidate hastens to remind us). And yet, to this day, the whiny little crybaby bros are saying that means that the vaccines were a dangerous rush job. They need to work a little on their consistency.
“First, seat belt and airbag manufacturers do not have the benefit of a liability waiver as the vaccine manufacturers do.”
If they had needed to be invented and installed in as many cars as possible in the course of a few months, I suspect some similar allowances of that kind would have been made for those charged with their production. Be careful what you wish for.
Moreover, as noted, seat belts and air bags do have the benefit of punitive action to enforce their usage to this day in lots of jurisdictions (despite their known ability to kill in odd instances). According to you, it’s that punitive action that really makes one bitter, whereas whatever punitive measures you had to endure during the course of a world-wide pandemic have long since been lifted, but remain in place for seat belts.
“Of course that just means decreased transmission, not ‘no one gets Covid.”’
You mean “they were justified based on saving the lives of people”? OK, then — good enough. The research showing the vaccines efficacy is available with a simple internet search — if you want to find me a single paper that ever claimed “no one gets Covid”, get back to me. Until then, if you want to play the usual anti-vaxx straw man games, find some more gullible patsy. This isn’t my first rodeo with you people.
The Covid vaccines were a rush job; that was the point. The name "Operation Warp Speed" is a hint.
These EUA biologicals were brought to market without some of the safeguards that are standard for drugs of this class. The clinical trials (and their analyses) that are mandated for a BLA clearance would have taken way too long. The twin goals of drug approval processes are safety and efficacy, so it would not be surprising if the resulting vaccines were less safe (i.e. more dangerous) than vaccines -- comparable or hypothetical -- that had met BLA requirements (a relevant recent tweet by Datahazard).
And so it was.
Facing a pandemic, "vaccine danger" has to be compared to "infection danger." Since Covid-19 was a new creation, precedents were uncertain. But from the spring of 2020 on, it was clear that the old and the unhealthy fared very poorly -- the older and the unhealthier, the worse. And that for young and middle-aged people in reasonable health, Covid risk was somewhat higher than seasonal flu risk, but within hailing distance. Over time, the risks of Covid infection declined due to rising natural immunity, later joined by rising vaccination rates.
In October 2020 (prior to the announcement that the Pfizer vaccine worked), thoughtful people laid out a strategy based on these observations in The Great Barrington Declaration. They called it Focused Protection.
That could have been and should have been the guiding philosophy for vaccine distribution.
Whiny little crybaby bros? Gullible patsies? First rodeos? Meh.Replies: @Jack D, @HA
Obama picked Biden the joke as his VP which many of us thought was insane (still stand by that!), the Palin pick electrified the Republican base and it took quite a while for the usual suspects starting with McCain's campaign manager to mostly destroy her political career. (The final blow was her idiocy back home in pushing (signing?) an "ethics" bill that easily allowed enemies to bankrupt anyone they targeted).
When the financial crisis hit, McCain Officially suspended his campaign and went back to D.C. to ... be a Senator, where his colleagues knifed him in the back (the latter not surprising since he was such an awful, vindictive and powerful PoS; look at for example Lindsey Graham's change in behavior after McCain was dead). This was particularly stupid because it did not constrain Obama's response, he didn't do that, and among other things not being a lifelong legislator, in truth he looked a lot more Presidential than McCain.
Picking Palin was when I thought McCain had a chance. The financial crisis stunt was when I was all but certain he would lose. OK, I'd add a third thing, I don't think he or the GOPe wanted to defeat the first negro US Presidential candidate, Negroidolatry is truly that strong in them.
OK, that's an appeal to authority but I've been following elections since 1972 and my early Silent Generation mother who taught me a lot of this for even longer. Our predictions have a good track record.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Almost Missouri
It wasn’t just you. Right after picking Palin was the one time that McCain had a decisive lead in the polls.
That’s partly why the MSM focused so much firepower on her, more than they focused on McCain and more than they have ever focused on a VP candidate. She was the edge that just might have spoiled their Obama coronation.
“One of the darkly amusing chapters of the Vaccine Mandate War was how all the ‘MY BODY, MY CHOICE!’”
Plenty of people were consistent on both vaccines and abortion. I’ve never had a kind word to say about abortion, unlike many of the people around here who think it’s awesome precisely because of the number of black babies who disproportionately get snuffed out by it.
Moreover, as I well recall, plenty of holier-than-the-pope radicals around here were incensed that their masked-up pastors and other church leaders dared to treat vulnerable elderly/diabetic/asthmatic people with the same dignity they insist we should show to an unborn child.
If you want to root out hypocrisy, maybe you should start with what’s in your little safe-space echo chamber, and work from there.
Romney looked good in 2012, particularly during the first debate. But appearances can be deceiving.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack D
McCain was overall just a terrible candidate. The electorate was thirsting for something to oppose the left’s Obamawave with, and all McCain could do was rave about how he would “reach across the aisle”.
Like “Dude wut? We’re getting attacked and all you can do is promise to cooperate with the enemy?!?!” And this guy was supposed to have been a heroic military leader!?!?
At exactly the time the country needed genuine opposition, McCain promised unlimited collaboration.
The only mystery is that he didn’t lose harder.
Well, it’s not really a mystery. The answer is “Palin”.
His “reach across the aisle” rhetoric was recycled from his failed bid for the Republican nomination in 2000. Back then he was the media darling. Prominent journalists described him as a “straight-talking maverick” and a “big-tent Republican” waging a heroic struggle against the Bush troglodytes. It was amusing to see the same reporters try to paint him as a hard-core reactionary during the ‘08 campaign.Replies: @deep anonymous
The heads of the big federal health agencies are appointed by the president. You think a corrupt senile politician like Biden is somehow qualified to pick the people who are in charge of dispensing medical advice.Replies: @HA
“The heads of the big federal health agencies are appointed by the president. You think a corrupt senile politician like Biden is somehow qualified to pick the people who are in charge of dispensing medical advice.”
The corrupt senile politicians who was in control during the development of the COVID vaccine wasn’t Biden, according to a certain other presidential candidate, and don’t you forget it! Maybe senility isn’t something you should be chiding others for.
And to the extent the people picked to handle that were epidemiologists and the like who do have experience and training in what they’re talking about — as opposed to dimwits who think their stupid decisions make them qualified to tell others what to do — they’re still a better choice than you, regardless of who picked them. Given what a weaselly bureaucrat Fauci was, it shouldn’t have been that hard to rise above that low bar, but the just-a-flu bros couldn’t even do that.
I am not going to follow your advice either. I have brought up the concept of regulatory capture with you and your evasiveness on the subject is obvious. You are aware, right, that there were other scientists and doctors who disagreed with the government propaganda? I would be more inclined to trust them.Replies: @HA
Dude, you just wasted a comment.
There is no canard. You’re lying to yourself and lying to others.
My observation as well.
In any case, one could much more reasonably inquire as to why Ashkenazim didn't just disappear into the Western world, and the Mizrahi stay right where they were. Hell: absent the shenanigans of the Zionists, that's just what would have happened.
Your position is this; you have come and taken my house by force and guile. When I protest, you demand to know why I don't go find myself another house.
I've got a house; you're in it. You leave.Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D, @Wielgus
In any case, one could much more reasonably inquire as to why Ashkenazim didn’t just disappear into the Western world, and the Mizrahi stay right where they were.
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You could inquire, but it wouldn’t be a reasonable inquiry. The reason the Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews decamped to Israel is well known.
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People who actually are reasonable might keep in mind that Arab refugees are people who landed in shanty towns about 50 miles to the east or 50 miles to the southwest of where they were previously.
Gaining admission to West Point was easier during the Vietnam War era. Nixon had to reassure the public via his declaration when he, Nixon visited WP in 1970 and promised that no one who graduated WP in 1974 would serve there
https://www.thefifthfield.com/about-french-maclean/west-point-class-of-1974/
Apparently WP , Annapolis admission rankings are approx 112, 113 of all USA universities …. One wonders if Steve could generate a Graph of the median, 75 percentile standard versus year
I’m sure it’s just because of that delicious authentic Haitian cuisine.
Sorry I meant Pixo who was the one who said he never heard of anything like this. I am sure you are well studied up on the latest antisemitic memes, which strangely bear a resemblance to the most ancient antisemitic memes.
In any case, one could much more reasonably inquire as to why Ashkenazim didn't just disappear into the Western world, and the Mizrahi stay right where they were. Hell: absent the shenanigans of the Zionists, that's just what would have happened.
Your position is this; you have come and taken my house by force and guile. When I protest, you demand to know why I don't go find myself another house.
I've got a house; you're in it. You leave.Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D, @Wielgus
Oh, but you are wrong. The Ashkenazim (or at least millions of them) did disappear. 2 of my grandparents, 3 aunts, an uncle, a couple of aunts thru marriage and my baby first cousins, they all disappeared. This is the very reason why we need Israel so no more Jews elsewhere will pull another “disappearing” act.
There's also the minor detail that just because you've decided you want something doesn't mean you get to take it from someone else. This is ghetto black ethics on a grand scale.Replies: @Wielgus, @Jack D
Romney looked good in 2012, particularly during the first debate. But appearances can be deceiving.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack D
Give the man a break. In the service of his country, McCain was shot down and badly injured and then captured by the N. Vietnamese. He was not given proper treatment for his broken bones and was tortured by the N. Vietnamese to boot. So I forgave him for looking a little decrepit compared to Obama who never served a day in his life and you and the other voters should have too.
Biden looks more decrepit now than McCain did in ‘08.
Leftists are smart.
By pushing flat out black supremacy and trannies they have forced “conservatives” to move to the left and adopt formerly liberal positions.
The average American conservative in 2024 worships MLK, sees nothing wrong with recreational drug use, consumes pornography, and gets his daily talking points from jewish faggots like Dave Rubin and sees nothing absurd about that.
The people picked by corrupt politicians are equally corrupt. It does not matter if they are epidemiologists. They do not have my best interests at heart. They are the toadies of big pharma and the medical cartel and their goal is to maximize profits for those entities. I am not going to follow their advice.
I am not going to follow your advice either. I have brought up the concept of regulatory capture with you and your evasiveness on the subject is obvious. You are aware, right, that there were other scientists and doctors who disagreed with the government propaganda? I would be more inclined to trust them.
All of that happened after McCain was “given a break” — he’d crashed two planes but was, against policy, permitted to crash a third. Had the rules for everyone else applied to the admiral’s son, he never would have suffered any of that. You give a warmonger a break and he effects more mass-murder so, no, never give a warmonger a break.
https://books.google.com/books?id=d1EnrsjzBMUC&lpg=PA20&ots=N-otVmtzSc&dq=nisht+geshtoygn+un+nisht+gefloygn&pg=PA20&hl=en#v=onepage&q=nisht%20geshtoygn%20un%20nisht%20gefloygn&f=false
I am not going to follow your advice either. I have brought up the concept of regulatory capture with you and your evasiveness on the subject is obvious. You are aware, right, that there were other scientists and doctors who disagreed with the government propaganda? I would be more inclined to trust them.Replies: @HA
“The people picked by corrupt politicians are equally corrupt.”
Um, OK — whatever that’s supposed to mean. There will definitely aways be corrupt politicians, and not necessarily any who aren’t. But this time around, the people picked were not nearly as deceitful and dumb as the self-anointed just-a-flu-bros. That’s what you don’t get, being the Dunning-Kruger case that you are.
That just-a-flu-bro Hail was the first commenter here who announced in April 02, 2020 that excess death graphs showed absolutely no uptick whatsoever.” I have to admit, he had a good point, at the time. That, in hindsight, was the peak just-a-flu-bro nothingburger moment, but it went downhill (i.e. spiked up) away from him real fast after that, and though he kept grasping at straws for a while, as in “Don’t look necessarily at the eye-catching ‘spikes,’ though they may be some interest” it was over, to anyone who had sense.
But not to you, of course. You have no sense. You kept up with the nothingburger meme long enough to pass on the vaccine, and thereby wind up in the hospital, at which point you kinda gave up on the previous nothingburger lies and instead segued into a new set, which was that even though what the doctors served up evidently worked for you, it was overkill for the rest of us and we just couldn’t afford that kind of approach. No facts, no data, no drug trials. Nah — that gut feeling emanating from what I’m guessing was your expansive midsection was plenty credible, despite the hospital bed that gut feeling led you to.
But outside your little bubble, that weaselly retconning is not gonna work. Even your own orange messiah recognizes the covid truthers surrounding him are idiots, as he grasps for some of that vaccine glory. Pretending that it’s other people who are corrupt, or stupid, or deceitful, or need to trim the fat, when it’s obviously you just trying to shift the blame away from your own dishonesty, stupidity is not going to fool anyone who doesn’t want to be fooled.
> And yet, to this day, the whiny little crybaby bros are saying that means that the [Covid] vaccines were a dangerous rush job.
The Covid vaccines were a rush job; that was the point. The name “Operation Warp Speed” is a hint.
These EUA biologicals were brought to market without some of the safeguards that are standard for drugs of this class. The clinical trials (and their analyses) that are mandated for a BLA clearance would have taken way too long. The twin goals of drug approval processes are safety and efficacy, so it would not be surprising if the resulting vaccines were less safe (i.e. more dangerous) than vaccines — comparable or hypothetical — that had met BLA requirements (a relevant recent tweet by Datahazard).
And so it was.
Facing a pandemic, “vaccine danger” has to be compared to “infection danger.” Since Covid-19 was a new creation, precedents were uncertain. But from the spring of 2020 on, it was clear that the old and the unhealthy fared very poorly — the older and the unhealthier, the worse. And that for young and middle-aged people in reasonable health, Covid risk was somewhat higher than seasonal flu risk, but within hailing distance. Over time, the risks of Covid infection declined due to rising natural immunity, later joined by rising vaccination rates.
In October 2020 (prior to the announcement that the Pfizer vaccine worked), thoughtful people laid out a strategy based on these observations in The Great Barrington Declaration. They called it Focused Protection.
That could have been and should have been the guiding philosophy for vaccine distribution.
Whiny little crybaby bros? Gullible patsies? First rodeos? Meh.
Demographic swamping enables the minoritarian "blob"--that's the reason for it, beyond sheer hatred of flyover whites and their American nation. If you insist on trying to somehow fix "the blob"'s censorship, before stopping the deluge, you'll be living in a South African style dystopia ... and of course still have censorship.Replies: @vinteuil
Obviously, mass immigration & deep state censorship are issues that are joined at the hip.
The Covid vaccines were a rush job; that was the point. The name "Operation Warp Speed" is a hint.
These EUA biologicals were brought to market without some of the safeguards that are standard for drugs of this class. The clinical trials (and their analyses) that are mandated for a BLA clearance would have taken way too long. The twin goals of drug approval processes are safety and efficacy, so it would not be surprising if the resulting vaccines were less safe (i.e. more dangerous) than vaccines -- comparable or hypothetical -- that had met BLA requirements (a relevant recent tweet by Datahazard).
And so it was.
Facing a pandemic, "vaccine danger" has to be compared to "infection danger." Since Covid-19 was a new creation, precedents were uncertain. But from the spring of 2020 on, it was clear that the old and the unhealthy fared very poorly -- the older and the unhealthier, the worse. And that for young and middle-aged people in reasonable health, Covid risk was somewhat higher than seasonal flu risk, but within hailing distance. Over time, the risks of Covid infection declined due to rising natural immunity, later joined by rising vaccination rates.
In October 2020 (prior to the announcement that the Pfizer vaccine worked), thoughtful people laid out a strategy based on these observations in The Great Barrington Declaration. They called it Focused Protection.
That could have been and should have been the guiding philosophy for vaccine distribution.
Whiny little crybaby bros? Gullible patsies? First rodeos? Meh.Replies: @Jack D, @HA
The Barrington Declaration was pre-vaccine and has nothing to say about vaccines one way or another.
A focused strategy based on vaccinating the elderly might have been correct in hindsight – the (possible) high risk of the vaccine would have been outweighed by the even higher known risk of the disease itself in the elderly but not for the young.
However, at the start of immunization, the nature of the virus itself was not know and it was believed that “herd immunity” could be achieved that would have stopped the circulation of the virus in the wild. It is never possible to vaccinate every single person, not even every elderly person, but for certain viruses if you vaccinate enough people the virus no longer circulates in the community and even the unvaccinated don’t get it. This is true for example of polio. Polio was called “infantile paralysis” because it affected mainly the young but the vaccine was given to EVERYONE. For herd immunity you have to get (almost) everybody and not just the most vulnerable, thus the attempted campaign at universal vaccination.
With 20/20 hindsight, a lot of things were done wrong by the CDC (not surprising given the enstupidification and Leftification of our gubmint) but this doesn’t mean that the anti-vaxxers were right. They were especially not right based on the information available at the time.
https://gbdeclaration.org/Worth noting that two of the three authors have vaccine related expertise.
Also note their description of protecting the elderly. As they noted, all of this works with OR without the vaccine.Alternatively we could send Covid patients into nursing homes as "Rachel" Levine did in Pennsylvania AFTER removing zir mother from such a home.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/05/health-secretary-rachel-levines-removal-of-mom-from-care-home-amid-epidemic-draws-scrutiny.html
There is our public health establishment looking out for the rest of us.
Back to you.Do you consider me an anti-vaxxer? If so, please point to a comment of mine which you consider to have been wrong (especially wrong at the scale of what the CDC DID). If you choose to play I will be doing the same for your comments from then. Note that I am not claiming I was not wrong about anything then. Just that I will put my record up against anyone here.
P.S. Even if you and I don't agree in detail on this I have considered you one of the more sensible voices in the Covid conversations most of the time. Though I am tiring of you lumping everyone who disagrees with you into some extreme "anti-vaxxer" caricature. Please leave that to HA. It is not worthy of you. Especially with respect to ic1000 who I consider one of the most thoughtful and open to reasoned argument commenters here.Replies: @Jack D, @HA
Optics matter. I didn’t vote for Obama but I understood his visceral appeal. An aura of vigor and vitality is an asset in politics.
Biden looks more decrepit now than McCain did in ‘08.
We’re going in circles. I keep pointing out that Israel won’t solve your problem.
There’s also the minor detail that just because you’ve decided you want something doesn’t mean you get to take it from someone else. This is ghetto black ethics on a grand scale.
Dogmatic Zionists are in any case not actually bothered by anti-Semitism elsewhere in the world, and if it makes Jews move to Israel, then all the better. In fact they may well wish there was more anti-Semitism, not less.
That Mossad whistle-blower Ostrovsky recounted that he complained to a superior in the following terms - Mossad was using diaspora Jews for espionage, and this practice naturally gave some justification to the idea that Jews were spies for Israel. His superior shrugged - so what? They should be coming to Israel anyway.Replies: @Colin Wright
It is nice of you to decide these things for me. Now I needn’t even actually bother to study up — you just told me I already have!
You sure you’re not some sort of Iranian black op? Technologically, they’re not so hot — but they’re surprisingly clever. I wouldn’t put it past them to invent a ‘JackD.’
Hell, sometimes I think it’s unfair to all the other Jews to dwell on you. Sort of like taking Julius Streicher to be your average Bavarian.
Like "Dude wut? We're getting attacked and all you can do is promise to cooperate with the enemy?!?!" And this guy was supposed to have been a heroic military leader!?!?
At exactly the time the country needed genuine opposition, McCain promised unlimited collaboration.
The only mystery is that he didn't lose harder.
Well, it's not really a mystery. The answer is "Palin".Replies: @Stan Adams, @deep anonymous
McCain’s people tossed Palin to the wolves and then tried to throw her under the bus.
His “reach across the aisle” rhetoric was recycled from his failed bid for the Republican nomination in 2000. Back then he was the media darling. Prominent journalists described him as a “straight-talking maverick” and a “big-tent Republican” waging a heroic struggle against the Bush troglodytes. It was amusing to see the same reporters try to paint him as a hard-core reactionary during the ‘08 campaign.
No, right guy on my part. Wrong occupation on Colin’s part.
From Wikipedia:Replies: @Corvinus
The Covid vaccines were a rush job; that was the point. The name "Operation Warp Speed" is a hint.
These EUA biologicals were brought to market without some of the safeguards that are standard for drugs of this class. The clinical trials (and their analyses) that are mandated for a BLA clearance would have taken way too long. The twin goals of drug approval processes are safety and efficacy, so it would not be surprising if the resulting vaccines were less safe (i.e. more dangerous) than vaccines -- comparable or hypothetical -- that had met BLA requirements (a relevant recent tweet by Datahazard).
And so it was.
Facing a pandemic, "vaccine danger" has to be compared to "infection danger." Since Covid-19 was a new creation, precedents were uncertain. But from the spring of 2020 on, it was clear that the old and the unhealthy fared very poorly -- the older and the unhealthier, the worse. And that for young and middle-aged people in reasonable health, Covid risk was somewhat higher than seasonal flu risk, but within hailing distance. Over time, the risks of Covid infection declined due to rising natural immunity, later joined by rising vaccination rates.
In October 2020 (prior to the announcement that the Pfizer vaccine worked), thoughtful people laid out a strategy based on these observations in The Great Barrington Declaration. They called it Focused Protection.
That could have been and should have been the guiding philosophy for vaccine distribution.
Whiny little crybaby bros? Gullible patsies? First rodeos? Meh.Replies: @Jack D, @HA
“In October 2020 (prior to the announcement that the Pfizer vaccine worked), thoughtful people laid out a strategy based on these observations in The Great Barrington Declaration.”
From the declaration:
That was, as you said, in October of 2020. Whereas vaccines began getting rolled out on Dec 2020, two months later (though that was in places like America, of course). I’m not sure what those extra months even in the rest of the world would have gained relative to what would have been lost, and to put it bluntly, no one does — declarations don’t have to provide data or estimates or numbers or really anything, which is perhaps why they weren’t taken more seriously. Maybe it will spark some significant re-org about dealing with vaccines, but based on the little I know, those who have models and data will still have the upper hand over those who simply declare something.
“Whiny little crybaby bros? Gullible patsies? First rodeos?”
Again, take it up with those who think a few months is too long for a court decision, but some 12 months is way too soon for a vaccine. The outrage wasn’t as pernicious as in, say, the Cholera Riots, but the passage of time and the subsequent claims of “we wuz right all along and Sailer has failed us” haven’t made any of their claims seem more convincing. And even at the height of the pandemic, the bros’ behavior probably had something to do with why this declaration was ultimately regarded as having too much conviction and not enough data and substance. But really, I think it was just eclipsed by the vaccine itself.
I addressed key differences between an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) and a Biologics License Application (BLA) in #307, which you are replying to. Also, a week ago, here.
On the other points you raise, see res' response to Jack D, here.Replies: @HA
Try again.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
Worth noting that two of the three authors have vaccine related expertise.
Also note their description of protecting the elderly. As they noted, all of this works with OR without the vaccine.
Alternatively we could send Covid patients into nursing homes as “Rachel” Levine did in Pennsylvania AFTER removing zir mother from such a home.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/05/health-secretary-rachel-levines-removal-of-mom-from-care-home-amid-epidemic-draws-scrutiny.html
There is our public health establishment looking out for the rest of us.
Back to you.
Do you consider me an anti-vaxxer? If so, please point to a comment of mine which you consider to have been wrong (especially wrong at the scale of what the CDC DID). If you choose to play I will be doing the same for your comments from then. Note that I am not claiming I was not wrong about anything then. Just that I will put my record up against anyone here.
P.S. Even if you and I don’t agree in detail on this I have considered you one of the more sensible voices in the Covid conversations most of the time. Though I am tiring of you lumping everyone who disagrees with you into some extreme “anti-vaxxer” caricature. Please leave that to HA. It is not worthy of you. Especially with respect to ic1000 who I consider one of the most thoughtful and open to reasoned argument commenters here.
God, you’re farking dumb:
From Wikipedia:
I relayed the correct story. Can’t help that Colin wasn’t clear and that you came to his rescue.
From Wikipedia:Replies: @Corvinus
JFC, lighten up Francis.
I relayed the correct story. Can’t help that Colin wasn’t clear and that you came to his rescue.
Like "Dude wut? We're getting attacked and all you can do is promise to cooperate with the enemy?!?!" And this guy was supposed to have been a heroic military leader!?!?
At exactly the time the country needed genuine opposition, McCain promised unlimited collaboration.
The only mystery is that he didn't lose harder.
Well, it's not really a mystery. The answer is "Palin".Replies: @Stan Adams, @deep anonymous
I always suspected that McCain lost on purpose. Nothing he did afterward, right up until he met his maker, Satan, has ever convinced me otherwise.
His “reach across the aisle” rhetoric was recycled from his failed bid for the Republican nomination in 2000. Back then he was the media darling. Prominent journalists described him as a “straight-talking maverick” and a “big-tent Republican” waging a heroic struggle against the Bush troglodytes. It was amusing to see the same reporters try to paint him as a hard-core reactionary during the ‘08 campaign.Replies: @deep anonymous
There is a special place in hell for scum like John McCain.
This is a (stylized) drawing of a Zulu kraal from 1857. The basic layout of a kraal was a double ring fence. The huts of the villagers were between the 1st and 2nd ring and the cattle were kept (at least at night) in the inner ring.
https://c7.alamy.com/comp/2BDXH28/south-africa-zulu-kraal-1857-2BDXH28.jpgReplies: @ThreeCranes
And the acres of wheat, barley, rye or oats were…where?
I don’t see any draft animals or evidence for the use of a horse or an ox-drawn plow.
Fruit and nut orchards?
Olive trees?
Did they preserve meat by drying, salting or smoking?
Did they make cheeses?
Did they pickle vegetables?
Brew palatable beer or wine?
Rye and oats are the crops of the far north (because they have a shorter growing season than wheat - Dr. Johnson thought that oats were only fit for horses). In Africa they had other crops. Before 1700, the most important grain crops grown by the Zulu were millet and sorghum. In the 18th century, maize (corn) was introduced by the Portuguese. They did plow with oxen. They did brew a type of traditional (unhopped) beer from maize and sorghum. It probably would not have been to your taste but they liked it just fine. They enjoyed watermelon and bananas as fruits as well as tropical fruits that would be completely unfamiliar to you such as the medlar. They ate ground nuts (peanuts) and tiger nuts (also not a nut but a nutlike underground tuber) as well as other underground tubers such as taro (which came to Africa from Asia in antiquity). Later taro was supplemented by New World crops such as cassava, pumpkins and potatoes. They did preserve meat by drying or smoking. They made amazi, which is a fermented milk product somewhere between yogurt and cottage cheese. While there was not an exact Zulu analog to every single thing that you mention, they did have a complete and varied diet.Replies: @Art Deco, @ThreeCranes
There's also the minor detail that just because you've decided you want something doesn't mean you get to take it from someone else. This is ghetto black ethics on a grand scale.Replies: @Wielgus, @Jack D
I suspect Jews are less prosperous and in greater danger in Israel than elsewhere, despite efforts to dial up the “anti-Semitism” threat-meter elsewhere in the world.
Dogmatic Zionists are in any case not actually bothered by anti-Semitism elsewhere in the world, and if it makes Jews move to Israel, then all the better. In fact they may well wish there was more anti-Semitism, not less.
That Mossad whistle-blower Ostrovsky recounted that he complained to a superior in the following terms – Mossad was using diaspora Jews for espionage, and this practice naturally gave some justification to the idea that Jews were spies for Israel. His superior shrugged – so what? They should be coming to Israel anyway.
In any case, one could much more reasonably inquire as to why Ashkenazim didn't just disappear into the Western world, and the Mizrahi stay right where they were. Hell: absent the shenanigans of the Zionists, that's just what would have happened.
Your position is this; you have come and taken my house by force and guile. When I protest, you demand to know why I don't go find myself another house.
I've got a house; you're in it. You leave.Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D, @Wielgus
In fact, in West Germany, societies and clubs set up by German refugees from East Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia etc. functioned as right-wing pressure groups after WW2. They were powerful enough to complicate relations with both the USSR and Poland, in the latter case the Oder-Neisse line was a stumbling block. West Germany only accepted it in 1970. And even then the West German right muttered that Willy Brandt only accepted it because he was a secret Commie.
Further to my earlier post, this is a CDU poster from 1947 - "the Oder-Neisse line never - Vote CDU".
The same thing should have happened to the Palestinians. Instead of festering in those UN welfare camps for 70 years they should have spread to the 4 winds. They could have had clubs for the old timers in Damascus and Cairo but after the old timers died their kids would have been just Syrians and Egyptians.
But the Arab regimes wanted the Palestinians to be a thorn in the side of Israel so the last thing that they wanted was to let them integrate into their societies.Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco
Further to my earlier post, this is a CDU poster from 1947 – “the Oder-Neisse line never – Vote CDU”.
There's also the minor detail that just because you've decided you want something doesn't mean you get to take it from someone else. This is ghetto black ethics on a grand scale.Replies: @Wielgus, @Jack D
The Palestinians paid the price for European antisemitism. This sucks for them but it is not ghetto ethics. If I break into your house because mine is on fire and yours is the only escape route that is ethical. In any case , fault lies with the arsonist who set the fire.
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Ottoman authority had long since evaporated in the Maghreb (bar Tripolitania and Cyrenica) and in Egypt as well. The Italian government had taken Tripolitania and Cyrenica just before the war. On the Arabian peninsula, Ottoman authority remained only in the Hijaz and Yemen. The Hashemite clients of the British revolted against the Sultan in 1916 and the local Imam in Yemen declared himself sovereign in 1918. The British and French took control of the Fertile Crescent in 1918. What the Ottomans and their successors were left with was Anatolia, largely Turkish with a Kurdish population in the southeast, an Armenian population in the northeast, Greeks on the Aegean coast, and an Arabophone minority in its southern extremity. (Turkey after 1914 acquired a history of abusing minorities).
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The various subprefectures of the Fertile Crescent were sorted into an array of dependencies which had been consolidated into five by 1936. One covered the Mesopotamian subprefectures (more or less), three the Levantine subprefectures (more or less), and one a portion of the Arabian peninsula. Part of Mesopotamia was assigned to Syria and parts of the arid zone south of the Fertile Crescent was appended to Palestine, Syria, and Iraq, so the political boundaries did not quite match the biomes in question. Syria and Lebanon were supervised by the French and the others by the British.
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About 1/4 of the population in the Levantine subprefectures lived in the three assembled to make the Mandate of Palestine. Jews were not found throughout the territory in question and were rare in most of it. Nearly all the Jewish population was found in Jerusalem, in a strip of territory on the Mediterranean coast, and in the Valley of Jezreel. Over the period running from 1897 to 1947, Arabs were willing and able to take employment with Jewish enterprises (commonly migrating from neighboring territories). However, after 1921 the feral young men in the Arab population made escalatingly frequent violent attacks on the Jewish population.
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By the last months of 1947, Arab irregulars had put the territory in a state of war. The violence was compounded in May 1948 when a scrum of Arab armies invaded the territory. The ensuing war ran on for another 10 months and accounted for about 8,000 deaths. An inflow of Jewish refugees from Europe during the period running from 1938 to 1948 certainly provided manpower for the Haganah, That having been said, the war's outcome was contingent on the Arab states and local Arab irregulars taking a particular approach to the Jewish population, especially during the war. They landed in refugee camps because they lost the war.Replies: @Jack D
Leaving aside the gratuitous abuse of Mark Twain to denigrate the Palestinians, I'm sure you're wrong about the prospects for thirteen million Jews feeding themselves off what they can grow in Israel.
So sure in fact, that I'll let you work it out. Take Japan's arable land and divide by her population: per capita arable land. Now divide by the percentage of Japan's total food consumption that she grows on her own, expressed as a decimal. That'll get you the area of arable land required to feed one Japanese.
Now plug in the values for Israel. Betcha the answer is unfortunate; no, you are not going to feed thirteen million Jews with what you grow in Israel.
Now, being Jack, either redirect, obfuscate, or fail to respond at all.Replies: @Jack D
You didn’t do the math so I’m not going to do it for you, but lots of countries are not self sufficient in food. UK, Germany, etc. This doesn’t mean that they are not viable countries.
You gave an image so the first step was to do an image search. That usually works, but not in this case.
Second step was to look at the image for something relatively identifiable or unique. I chose to search (using DDG since looking for crimethink) for one of the user ids plus his name: 96600927 "john oliver"
That was not useful so I tried something else: "insidiousness" "john oliver"
That led to the isegoria link:
https://www.isegoria.net/2021/04/the-real-insidiousness-of-it-is-its-unmistakably-hypnotic-structure-and-pacing/
That led to the deleted 4chan page which in turn led to the archive version.
The last link was most interesting. I went back to your image and noticed the ID of the poster in your image.
I then searched on Google (don't remember why, probably just happened to be in Chrome) for: "bxwmz" "john oliver"
and found the original source.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96600927/
That seemed like a good stopping point.Thanks.
P.S. For some reason Ron seems to REALLY not like linking Reddit (see all the "xxx"s). I wonder why. Should ask him sometime.Replies: @ic1000
That screenshot (from Reddit?/4chan?) in Almost Missouri’s comment #120 analyzed the structure of HBO’s “Last Week Tonight with John Oliver.” (res found it here.)
Mrs. ic1000 delights in day-after replays of Saturday Night Live opening monologues. The faithful audience’s on-cue hootin’ and hollerin’ has a greater fingernails-on-a-chalkboard effect on me, than do the host’s comments themselves.
The same dynamic as described. So now I know why.
> Again, take it up with those who think a few months is too long for a court decision, but some 12 months is way too soon for a vaccine.
I addressed key differences between an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) and a Biologics License Application (BLA) in #307, which you are replying to. Also, a week ago, here.
On the other points you raise, see res’ response to Jack D, here.
I assumed res's "bitterness" had more to do with the "punitive measures" -- presumably involving having to mask-up or get a vaccine. It's my understanding that when deciding how to deal with those kinds of subjects -- especially when it's likely to affect (or infect) tens of millions of people and when one side gets to appeal decisions they don't like, a few months is to be expected, but again, the bros evidently think they deserve special treatment over and above everyone else.
As far as Barrington Declarations go, Great or otherwise, I'm better at looking at stuff that relies on data and evidence. That doesn't mean declarations aren't important, or that I won't have something to say about them on the matter of consistency, but from my perspective, dealing with the data-based stuff is difficult enough.
Disagree.
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Ottoman authority had long since evaporated in the Maghreb (bar Tripolitania and Cyrenica) and in Egypt as well. The Italian government had taken Tripolitania and Cyrenica just before the war. On the Arabian peninsula, Ottoman authority remained only in the Hijaz and Yemen. The Hashemite clients of the British revolted against the Sultan in 1916 and the local Imam in Yemen declared himself sovereign in 1918. The British and French took control of the Fertile Crescent in 1918. What the Ottomans and their successors were left with was Anatolia, largely Turkish with a Kurdish population in the southeast, an Armenian population in the northeast, Greeks on the Aegean coast, and an Arabophone minority in its southern extremity. (Turkey after 1914 acquired a history of abusing minorities).
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The various subprefectures of the Fertile Crescent were sorted into an array of dependencies which had been consolidated into five by 1936. One covered the Mesopotamian subprefectures (more or less), three the Levantine subprefectures (more or less), and one a portion of the Arabian peninsula. Part of Mesopotamia was assigned to Syria and parts of the arid zone south of the Fertile Crescent was appended to Palestine, Syria, and Iraq, so the political boundaries did not quite match the biomes in question. Syria and Lebanon were supervised by the French and the others by the British.
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About 1/4 of the population in the Levantine subprefectures lived in the three assembled to make the Mandate of Palestine. Jews were not found throughout the territory in question and were rare in most of it. Nearly all the Jewish population was found in Jerusalem, in a strip of territory on the Mediterranean coast, and in the Valley of Jezreel. Over the period running from 1897 to 1947, Arabs were willing and able to take employment with Jewish enterprises (commonly migrating from neighboring territories). However, after 1921 the feral young men in the Arab population made escalatingly frequent violent attacks on the Jewish population.
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By the last months of 1947, Arab irregulars had put the territory in a state of war. The violence was compounded in May 1948 when a scrum of Arab armies invaded the territory. The ensuing war ran on for another 10 months and accounted for about 8,000 deaths. An inflow of Jewish refugees from Europe during the period running from 1938 to 1948 certainly provided manpower for the Haganah, That having been said, the war’s outcome was contingent on the Arab states and local Arab irregulars taking a particular approach to the Jewish population, especially during the war. They landed in refugee camps because they lost the war.
You’d be hard put to find an Arab country which wasn’t a food importer.
The notion of an autarchic Israel providing a home for thirteen million Jews is completely implausible. It's simply a recipe for collective suicide.Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco
Israel existed before American support and it will exist after it if necessary. 90 nuclear warheads say that you are wrong.
You are not going to wish Israel away based on ethics or legality. You are not going to wish it away militarily. Its people are not going anywhere. Stop your idiotic fantasies and accept that Israel is a permanent presence and deal with it accordingly. This is just cheap talk from you, but the real Palestinians are paying the price for such insane ghost dancer fantasies.
As to nuclear warheads, how many did apartheid South Africa have?Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D
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Ottoman authority had long since evaporated in the Maghreb (bar Tripolitania and Cyrenica) and in Egypt as well. The Italian government had taken Tripolitania and Cyrenica just before the war. On the Arabian peninsula, Ottoman authority remained only in the Hijaz and Yemen. The Hashemite clients of the British revolted against the Sultan in 1916 and the local Imam in Yemen declared himself sovereign in 1918. The British and French took control of the Fertile Crescent in 1918. What the Ottomans and their successors were left with was Anatolia, largely Turkish with a Kurdish population in the southeast, an Armenian population in the northeast, Greeks on the Aegean coast, and an Arabophone minority in its southern extremity. (Turkey after 1914 acquired a history of abusing minorities).
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The various subprefectures of the Fertile Crescent were sorted into an array of dependencies which had been consolidated into five by 1936. One covered the Mesopotamian subprefectures (more or less), three the Levantine subprefectures (more or less), and one a portion of the Arabian peninsula. Part of Mesopotamia was assigned to Syria and parts of the arid zone south of the Fertile Crescent was appended to Palestine, Syria, and Iraq, so the political boundaries did not quite match the biomes in question. Syria and Lebanon were supervised by the French and the others by the British.
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About 1/4 of the population in the Levantine subprefectures lived in the three assembled to make the Mandate of Palestine. Jews were not found throughout the territory in question and were rare in most of it. Nearly all the Jewish population was found in Jerusalem, in a strip of territory on the Mediterranean coast, and in the Valley of Jezreel. Over the period running from 1897 to 1947, Arabs were willing and able to take employment with Jewish enterprises (commonly migrating from neighboring territories). However, after 1921 the feral young men in the Arab population made escalatingly frequent violent attacks on the Jewish population.
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By the last months of 1947, Arab irregulars had put the territory in a state of war. The violence was compounded in May 1948 when a scrum of Arab armies invaded the territory. The ensuing war ran on for another 10 months and accounted for about 8,000 deaths. An inflow of Jewish refugees from Europe during the period running from 1938 to 1948 certainly provided manpower for the Haganah, That having been said, the war's outcome was contingent on the Arab states and local Arab irregulars taking a particular approach to the Jewish population, especially during the war. They landed in refugee camps because they lost the war.Replies: @Jack D
I was looking at the big picture – modern Zionism arose as a reaction to 19th century European nationalism and antisemitism. In a Europe of empires, Jews were just one more subject people but in the new nationalist Europe Jews were suddenly “foreigners” in the countries where they had lived for 1,000 years. They had no choice but to have their own homeland and Israel, with its ancient connection to the Jews, was the obvious choice. (When my father was a boy, the slogan of the Polish nationalists was “Jews to Palestine”. Any other choice (Madagascar for example) would have only been worse in the modern anti-colonial context so they dodged a bullet there. And eventually the virus of nationalism and antisemitism spread to the Arab world.
The Holocaust only brought home further that the Jews were not safe in a nationalist world. Multiethnic America would have been fine – despite what the Men of Unz say, American nationalism is not based on blood and soil, but there’s no way that America could be counted on to provide refuge – when the critical moment came in the ’30s, the doors were closed. Democratic (small d) politics can be fickle – we support Ukraine, we don’t support Ukraine.
It would have been my preference for the Jews to have stayed safely put in Warsaw and Baghdad and so on where they had been for 1,000 years but after all the shit that went down in the 20th century, that was clearly no longer possible. For the Arabs to permit a Jewish enclave in a little corner of the vast Arab world, in a place that was not under their sovereignty to begin with (the Israelis weren’t even asking for the existing population to clear out until the Arabs started a war against them and millions of Arabs live in Israel to this day) should have been no big deal – look at a world map and you can hardly see Israel. 1,000 Israels would fit into the Arab world.
This is true but it was a one generation thing and as you say was over by 1970. The people who remembered the farm back in Silesia all died and their kids and grandkids intermarried with other Germans and were just Germans. No one in Germany flies hang gliders across the Polish border in an attempt to wreak revenge on the Poles.
The same thing should have happened to the Palestinians. Instead of festering in those UN welfare camps for 70 years they should have spread to the 4 winds. They could have had clubs for the old timers in Damascus and Cairo but after the old timers died their kids would have been just Syrians and Egyptians.
But the Arab regimes wanted the Palestinians to be a thorn in the side of Israel so the last thing that they wanted was to let them integrate into their societies.
Divest
Sanctions
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Thanks.
The same thing should have happened to the Palestinians. Instead of festering in those UN welfare camps for 70 years they should have spread to the 4 winds. They could have had clubs for the old timers in Damascus and Cairo but after the old timers died their kids would have been just Syrians and Egyptians.
But the Arab regimes wanted the Palestinians to be a thorn in the side of Israel so the last thing that they wanted was to let them integrate into their societies.Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco
The Jordanian government granted the Arabs in situ citizenship in 1951. The Lebanese government and the governments of the Gulf states had passable reasons not to (and the Gulf emirates’ refusal was nothing peculiar; they naturalize almost no one of any description). The Arab population of the former mandate was most akin to that of Syria and the largest share of the stateless population was supervised by Egypt. Had the situation in the eastern Mediterranean resembled that in central Europe, the refugee camps would have been shut down by 1963 and each of their residents granted citizenship in one of four surrounding countries. You have UNRWA, Gamal Abd el-Nasser, and Shukri al-Quwatli to blame for this open sore.
The notion of an autarchic Israel providing a home for thirteen million Jews is completely implausible. It's simply a recipe for collective suicide.Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco
If the US isn’t subservient to Jews in the first place, Israel will have a life expectancy of five months.
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Again, American aid to Israel accounts for about 1.2% of its gross national income. They could dispense with it. It was minimal prior to 1973. Israel in comparison with just about any occidental country has healthy financial, economic, and demographic metrics.
I addressed key differences between an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) and a Biologics License Application (BLA) in #307, which you are replying to. Also, a week ago, here.
On the other points you raise, see res' response to Jack D, here.Replies: @HA
“I addressed key differences between an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) and a Biologics License Application (BLA) in #307, which you are replying to.”
I assumed res’s “bitterness” had more to do with the “punitive measures” — presumably involving having to mask-up or get a vaccine. It’s my understanding that when deciding how to deal with those kinds of subjects — especially when it’s likely to affect (or infect) tens of millions of people and when one side gets to appeal decisions they don’t like, a few months is to be expected, but again, the bros evidently think they deserve special treatment over and above everyone else.
As far as Barrington Declarations go, Great or otherwise, I’m better at looking at stuff that relies on data and evidence. That doesn’t mean declarations aren’t important, or that I won’t have something to say about them on the matter of consistency, but from my perspective, dealing with the data-based stuff is difficult enough.
The same thing should have happened to the Palestinians. Instead of festering in those UN welfare camps for 70 years they should have spread to the 4 winds. They could have had clubs for the old timers in Damascus and Cairo but after the old timers died their kids would have been just Syrians and Egyptians.
But the Arab regimes wanted the Palestinians to be a thorn in the side of Israel so the last thing that they wanted was to let them integrate into their societies.Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco
The political party in west Germany rallying refugee populations lost all its seats in the legislature in 1957, then merged with another party (which, in turn, lost all its seats and dissolved in 1961).
https://gbdeclaration.org/Worth noting that two of the three authors have vaccine related expertise.
Also note their description of protecting the elderly. As they noted, all of this works with OR without the vaccine.Alternatively we could send Covid patients into nursing homes as "Rachel" Levine did in Pennsylvania AFTER removing zir mother from such a home.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/05/health-secretary-rachel-levines-removal-of-mom-from-care-home-amid-epidemic-draws-scrutiny.html
There is our public health establishment looking out for the rest of us.
Back to you.Do you consider me an anti-vaxxer? If so, please point to a comment of mine which you consider to have been wrong (especially wrong at the scale of what the CDC DID). If you choose to play I will be doing the same for your comments from then. Note that I am not claiming I was not wrong about anything then. Just that I will put my record up against anyone here.
P.S. Even if you and I don't agree in detail on this I have considered you one of the more sensible voices in the Covid conversations most of the time. Though I am tiring of you lumping everyone who disagrees with you into some extreme "anti-vaxxer" caricature. Please leave that to HA. It is not worthy of you. Especially with respect to ic1000 who I consider one of the most thoughtful and open to reasoned argument commenters here.Replies: @Jack D, @HA
The fact that they were talking about herd immunity shows that they didn’t understand at that time that Covid is a mutating virus like the flu and that there is never going to be true herd immunity. This doesn’t mean that the pandemic goes on forever ( the 1918 flu epidemic also ran its course). At some point the virus mutates to be less lethal and people who have been exposed to or vaccinated against earlier variants have at least partial resistance to it and don’t die from it unless they are already on their last legs. But it circulates in the community forever no matter how much the herd has been exposed or vaccinated.
In 1918 no one was saying, “its just the flu bro”, but the flu bros were right in a sense – it was a lethal pandemic that was going to burn out eventually, but not without killing a lot of people first.
The point is that their understanding of Covid was as flawed as everyone else’s. Everyone was making wild guesses in the dark. In retrospect, their advice might have been correct but at the time it wasn’t possible to know who was right.
They were partially right just as the government was partially right that it should not be treated like the flu. The dismissive "it's just the flu" attitude ignored that hospitals were being shut down and patients with serious emergencies were being told to stay home. I don't recall the last time that a flu season led to mass graves in Italy or bodies constantly floating down the Ganges. We had some crazy reality deniers here at Unz. I had to repost videos of the hospital shutdowns and mass graves in Italy because some posters decided it never happened. In fact I was called a Jew or Democrat supporter numerous times for giving my opinion on recorded video. There were recorded cell phone videos from hospital workers and we had posters decreeing that it was all fake. Some even maintained the virus didn't exist for over a year. Humans have a hard time with these types of events. It leads people to believe they aren't real or will go away. I was honestly shocked by how many reality deniers we had at Unz given that it is a place to discuss politically incorrect topics. I pointed out dozens of times that we have tools that can view these viruses. You can't fake one.Replies: @Jack D
Joseph Campbell, the mythologists, wrote that there were two kinds of systems of myths; those characterizing hunter-gatherer cultures and those of farmers.
In the former, religion tended to be individual. A boy transitioning to manhood goes off alone into the forest on his vision quest. He wanders alone until he is visited by his guardian spirit at which time he returns to his village and tells the Shaman what he saw. The shaman declares that henceforth he is a member of the e.g. Beaver Clan.*
Farming myths are more communal and tend to revolve around festivals celebrating crucial dates related to planting and harvesting. Phases of the moon or rising of the Sun, parades and large social gatherings, eating and drinking, dancing and singing.
Speaking generally, would Sub-Saharan African men be classified as the former or the latter? Rumor around here has it that they had no effective calendar, no system of numbering and no way to chart the heavens so how they could have kept track of important agricultural dates is a mystery.
*We say “member of a clan” but that’s not precisely what’s going on. What is really happening is that, having evolved with animals, the human Spirit or Mind is engaged with them as Jungian archetypes. When a young person is given a vision he is instructed by the Shaman to follow that totem animal’s path, to see the world from that animal’s perspective. Then, during council, the devotee of every particular animal reports to the group what the perspective is from that animal’s point of view. How does the Beaver see this? How does the Bear see this?
The Shaman or Head Chief himself is not assigning one to something of which the Shaman is totally aware. It is not a script. Rather, he is relying upon the current journeyman on that animal’s path for feedback—not unlike an executive who relies upon his division chiefs for input upon any project the Group undertakes. So, e.g. I am not literally ThreeCranes. I merely follow them.
Most people running around today are devotees of the Clan of the Lamb. Their Guardian Spirit is Jesus the Christos (Christ is not a last name, it is an appellation). They are agricultural people. Their nemesis is people of the Wolf, comparatively "primitive" people whose affiliation dates back to the pre-agricultural era of rapacious hunting.
My own totem is preagricultural. I am not of the post-agricultural revolution people. As a matter of fact, when I returned from my quest and consulted elders upon the meaning of my vision, I was told that I was insane. There was—and is—no place for my primitive nature in today's world, amongst the people of the Lamb.
My own Guardian is a woman. An enchantress, at once alluring and terrifying, she is a Goddess. One is initially drawn in and then overawed, dumbstruck with awe—Dread, as Kierkegaard called it. She can only be apprehended indirectly, you cannot look upon her directly. Her energy will blow your circuits. So she sends messengers, creatures familiar to and with this world of objects of our consciousness and nature around us. Jesus the Christos performs much the same with his followers.
The Muslims and Jews have--correctly in my opinion--deduced that to represent one's Guardian in material Form is to reduce such to an object of consciousness and therefore limited in scope; human, all too human. Yet we stand in such need of reassurance that we cannot help but do so. "God, show us your Face!" Yet, when God does such, we are overawed and forced to avert our eyes and look away.
All of us are a blend of atavistic traits with the "modern". We all struggle with assimilating our rogue, untamed natures with what is socially acceptable; some doing so more successfully than others. Some of us utterly fail: career criminals, revolutionaries, psychopaths, Wall Street bankers and heads of the ADL. They and their like are doomed to eternal banishment from the graces of companionship with socializable people—people capable of carrying civilization forward.
But not all is settled. Most scholars believe—without a shred of evidence—that monotheism is superior and the successor to polytheism of die Funktion Gods—Hephastios the God of the Forge, Aphrodite, Goddess of Love and so on. This is the Judean revolution. Of course, I reject it if it sets itself up as the only Truth. It is incompatible with my animalism. True, it led to our understanding of the Laws of Nature as One and Overriding, but on the other hand, it left us bereft of a home in the Cosmos. We are not part of a community; we are but specks in a vast Universe of specks. How to synthesize the two? We are both objects of the interplay of impersonal forces as well as subjects of intimacy and scent and Love. And Christos? Well, he didn't smell, he had no scent of the sensual. He was, after all, the product of a Virgin.
Among us, some are born with a kind of magic charisma through which things seem to go their way. A hunter blessed with that will generally be successful.
The communal farmer relies upon consistent, persistent, steady effort. He is not a hero, nor is his personal charisma called into play. Dogged sticktoitiveness, determined effort, deferred gratification and the capacity to endure drudgery are his defining attributes.
So, the thesis is: a person who is genetically sculpted to hunt will make a poor farmer and vice versa.
> The fact that they were talking about herd immunity shows that they didn’t understand at that time that Covid is a mutating virus like the flu and that there is never going to be true herd immunity.
They (a different “they” than yours; the mainstream Narrative/Public Health Authorities “they”) were justifying compulsory vaccination on the exact basis that herd immunity would be achieved through nearly-universal vaccination.
Beware Isolated Demands For Rigor, as the saying goes.
They (a different "they" than yours; the mainstream Narrative/Public Health Authorities "they") were justifying compulsory vaccination on the exact basis that herd immunity would be achieved through nearly-universal vaccination.
Beware Isolated Demands For Rigor, as the saying goes.Replies: @Jack D
None of the “theys” at the time understood that herd immunity was not going to be possible. The Public Health theys thought that we should get to herd immunity ASAP by vaccinating everyone, the same way that measles and polio were eradicated. If they had known ahead of time that herd immunity was not in the cards anyway, this would have taken away much of the totalitarian pressure for universal immunization, but they didn’t know this. The Barrington theys thought that we could get to herd immunity thru a combination of vaccination and immunity gained from low risk people being naturally infected.
At least the Public Health theys and the Barrington theys knew what herd immunity was. The “vax is gonna kill you ” theys understood nothing – they were just operating from blind fear.
Taibbi has certainly seen the light. Some-one less indolent than I could probably pin down his year of enlightenment.
None of the “theys” at the time understood that herd immunity was not going to be possible. The Public Health theys thought that we should get to herd immunity ASAP by vaccinating everyone, the same way that measles and polio were eradicated.
That would also include Trump who didn’t bother to learn about coronaviruses.
I think both the public and government wanted it to go away. That desire overruled a realistic view of the situation.
History suggested that it was not going away and our best hope was a mutation towards a lighter strain along with a flu type vaccine. Thinking it would be like chickenpox or Polio never made sense. Those are different types of viruses.
I don’t think many realize how bad it could have gotten. It was entirely possible for it to mutate into a deadlier strain but with a longer incubation period. Coronaviruses normally mutate into a lighter but more contagious strain but there is no hard rule that says they must.
Interestingly it looks like it mutated in mice or rats and then jumped back to humans. It picked up some random changes that don’t apply to us. Some rat infested third world city could have saved millions of lives by providing the proper petri dish.
In 1918 no one was saying, “its just the flu bro”, but the flu bros were right in a sense – it was a lethal pandemic that was going to burn out eventually, but not without killing a lot of people first.
They were partially right just as the government was partially right that it should not be treated like the flu.
The dismissive “it’s just the flu” attitude ignored that hospitals were being shut down and patients with serious emergencies were being told to stay home. I don’t recall the last time that a flu season led to mass graves in Italy or bodies constantly floating down the Ganges.
We had some crazy reality deniers here at Unz. I had to repost videos of the hospital shutdowns and mass graves in Italy because some posters decided it never happened. In fact I was called a Jew or Democrat supporter numerous times for giving my opinion on recorded video. There were recorded cell phone videos from hospital workers and we had posters decreeing that it was all fake. Some even maintained the virus didn’t exist for over a year.
Humans have a hard time with these types of events. It leads people to believe they aren’t real or will go away. I was honestly shocked by how many reality deniers we had at Unz given that it is a place to discuss politically incorrect topics. I pointed out dozens of times that we have tools that can view these viruses. You can’t fake one.
In the former, religion tended to be individual. A boy transitioning to manhood goes off alone into the forest on his vision quest. He wanders alone until he is visited by his guardian spirit at which time he returns to his village and tells the Shaman what he saw. The shaman declares that henceforth he is a member of the e.g. Beaver Clan.*
Farming myths are more communal and tend to revolve around festivals celebrating crucial dates related to planting and harvesting. Phases of the moon or rising of the Sun, parades and large social gatherings, eating and drinking, dancing and singing.
Speaking generally, would Sub-Saharan African men be classified as the former or the latter? Rumor around here has it that they had no effective calendar, no system of numbering and no way to chart the heavens so how they could have kept track of important agricultural dates is a mystery.
*We say "member of a clan" but that's not precisely what's going on. What is really happening is that, having evolved with animals, the human Spirit or Mind is engaged with them as Jungian archetypes. When a young person is given a vision he is instructed by the Shaman to follow that totem animal's path, to see the world from that animal's perspective. Then, during council, the devotee of every particular animal reports to the group what the perspective is from that animal's point of view. How does the Beaver see this? How does the Bear see this?
The Shaman or Head Chief himself is not assigning one to something of which the Shaman is totally aware. It is not a script. Rather, he is relying upon the current journeyman on that animal's path for feedback—not unlike an executive who relies upon his division chiefs for input upon any project the Group undertakes. So, e.g. I am not literally ThreeCranes. I merely follow them.Replies: @ThreeCranes, @ThreeCranes
cont’d
Most people running around today are devotees of the Clan of the Lamb. Their Guardian Spirit is Jesus the Christos (Christ is not a last name, it is an appellation). They are agricultural people. Their nemesis is people of the Wolf, comparatively “primitive” people whose affiliation dates back to the pre-agricultural era of rapacious hunting.
My own totem is preagricultural. I am not of the post-agricultural revolution people. As a matter of fact, when I returned from my quest and consulted elders upon the meaning of my vision, I was told that I was insane. There was—and is—no place for my primitive nature in today’s world, amongst the people of the Lamb.
My own Guardian is a woman. An enchantress, at once alluring and terrifying, she is a Goddess. One is initially drawn in and then overawed, dumbstruck with awe—Dread, as Kierkegaard called it. She can only be apprehended indirectly, you cannot look upon her directly. Her energy will blow your circuits. So she sends messengers, creatures familiar to and with this world of objects of our consciousness and nature around us. Jesus the Christos performs much the same with his followers.
The Muslims and Jews have–correctly in my opinion–deduced that to represent one’s Guardian in material Form is to reduce such to an object of consciousness and therefore limited in scope; human, all too human. Yet we stand in such need of reassurance that we cannot help but do so. “God, show us your Face!” Yet, when God does such, we are overawed and forced to avert our eyes and look away.
All of us are a blend of atavistic traits with the “modern”. We all struggle with assimilating our rogue, untamed natures with what is socially acceptable; some doing so more successfully than others. Some of us utterly fail: career criminals, revolutionaries, psychopaths, Wall Street bankers and heads of the ADL. They and their like are doomed to eternal banishment from the graces of companionship with socializable people—people capable of carrying civilization forward.
But not all is settled. Most scholars believe—without a shred of evidence—that monotheism is superior and the successor to polytheism of die Funktion Gods—Hephastios the God of the Forge, Aphrodite, Goddess of Love and so on. This is the Judean revolution. Of course, I reject it if it sets itself up as the only Truth. It is incompatible with my animalism. True, it led to our understanding of the Laws of Nature as One and Overriding, but on the other hand, it left us bereft of a home in the Cosmos. We are not part of a community; we are but specks in a vast Universe of specks. How to synthesize the two? We are both objects of the interplay of impersonal forces as well as subjects of intimacy and scent and Love. And Christos? Well, he didn’t smell, he had no scent of the sensual. He was, after all, the product of a Virgin.
They were partially right just as the government was partially right that it should not be treated like the flu. The dismissive "it's just the flu" attitude ignored that hospitals were being shut down and patients with serious emergencies were being told to stay home. I don't recall the last time that a flu season led to mass graves in Italy or bodies constantly floating down the Ganges. We had some crazy reality deniers here at Unz. I had to repost videos of the hospital shutdowns and mass graves in Italy because some posters decided it never happened. In fact I was called a Jew or Democrat supporter numerous times for giving my opinion on recorded video. There were recorded cell phone videos from hospital workers and we had posters decreeing that it was all fake. Some even maintained the virus didn't exist for over a year. Humans have a hard time with these types of events. It leads people to believe they aren't real or will go away. I was honestly shocked by how many reality deniers we had at Unz given that it is a place to discuss politically incorrect topics. I pointed out dozens of times that we have tools that can view these viruses. You can't fake one.Replies: @Jack D
When humans are confronted with life or death type situations, denial is a common reaction. If some reality is too terrible to contemplate then you just wish it away. There are plenty of Holocaust deniers/minimizers on Unz and people who say that the 9/11 attacks did not happen (at least as portrayed), etc. so why not Covid deniers too? To my mind it was completely par for the course for these clowns.
It is also part of their oppositional defiant disorder and their conspiracy mindedness. They automatically assume that anyone in authority is lying in order to cheat you and has the wrong views so whatever the authorities and the MSM are telling you, the truth and what you should believe is exactly the opposite.
“I don’t recall the last time that a flu season led to mass graves in Italy”
That would have been 1918. Part of the problem was that there is almost nobody alive who remembers the 1918 epidemic so we had to relearn its lessons all over again from scratch.
One more Saturday night in Baltimore.
So you concede that Israel couldn’t feed herself?
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html
More informative is this 2022 USDA report: Israeli Food Supply Chain.
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=Israeli%20Food%20Supply%20Chain_Tel%20Aviv_Israel_IS2022-0004.pdfThat last sentence is worth some elaboration.Replies: @Jack D
Israel only came into being in the first place because of American support.
As to nuclear warheads, how many did apartheid South Africa have?
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No. Israel received no American official aid of any consequence prior to 1973. The United States did recognize Israel on its declaration of independence, as did Soviet Russia. Again, the declaration was consistent with the UN partition plan, so it wasn't a rogue move on the part of David Ben-Gurion and his colleagues.
Creative. Is it also ethical to keep the house?
Dogmatic Zionists are in any case not actually bothered by anti-Semitism elsewhere in the world, and if it makes Jews move to Israel, then all the better. In fact they may well wish there was more anti-Semitism, not less.
That Mossad whistle-blower Ostrovsky recounted that he complained to a superior in the following terms - Mossad was using diaspora Jews for espionage, and this practice naturally gave some justification to the idea that Jews were spies for Israel. His superior shrugged - so what? They should be coming to Israel anyway.Replies: @Colin Wright
Speaking for myself, it’s questionable if I would have become anti-semitic at all without Israel. I certainly wasn’t until I started closely following the adventures of the Blight unto the Nations around 2000 — and even then, I resisted generalizing from that and recognizing the larger patterns for a good fifteen years.
So absent Israel, today I might still be about like Physicist Dave is. Jews are just fine…because I prefer to think that Jews are just fine. It’s less unsettling that way.
Too, I’m reminded of Philip Roth’s observation that anti-semitism is comforting in a way. We don’t need to engage with the larger world as equals and as peers — no need to come to terms with the differences, etc. They all hate us, and we can just retreat into our little nest…and anything we have to do to protect it is justified.
Without anti-semitism, Jews have to be just…people. Some can handle that, others make it clear they cannot.
I suppose one could claim that if anti-semitism didn’t exist, Jews would have to invent it. After all, why do so many hate Israel?
Why, because they’re anti-semitics, of course. Israel is obviously just fine.
It is interesting that Israel does not appear in this list of countries who are unable to produce their own food.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html
More informative is this 2022 USDA report: Israeli Food Supply Chain.
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=Israeli%20Food%20Supply%20Chain_Tel%20Aviv_Israel_IS2022-0004.pdf
That last sentence is worth some elaboration.
https://gbdeclaration.org/Worth noting that two of the three authors have vaccine related expertise.
Also note their description of protecting the elderly. As they noted, all of this works with OR without the vaccine.Alternatively we could send Covid patients into nursing homes as "Rachel" Levine did in Pennsylvania AFTER removing zir mother from such a home.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/05/health-secretary-rachel-levines-removal-of-mom-from-care-home-amid-epidemic-draws-scrutiny.html
There is our public health establishment looking out for the rest of us.
Back to you.Do you consider me an anti-vaxxer? If so, please point to a comment of mine which you consider to have been wrong (especially wrong at the scale of what the CDC DID). If you choose to play I will be doing the same for your comments from then. Note that I am not claiming I was not wrong about anything then. Just that I will put my record up against anyone here.
P.S. Even if you and I don't agree in detail on this I have considered you one of the more sensible voices in the Covid conversations most of the time. Though I am tiring of you lumping everyone who disagrees with you into some extreme "anti-vaxxer" caricature. Please leave that to HA. It is not worthy of you. Especially with respect to ic1000 who I consider one of the most thoughtful and open to reasoned argument commenters here.Replies: @Jack D, @HA
“please point to a comment of mine which you consider to have been wrong (especially wrong at the scale of what the CDC DID). If you choose to play I will be doing the same for your comments from then”
The reason I call you an anti-vaxxer (or more precisely, someone who simps for anti-vaxxers) is because downplaying the severity of measles has become an anti-vaxxer shibboleth. Either you’re into Suzanne Humphries or you hang around people who are into her. It’s a dead giveaway. Same goes with weaselly data-free assertions and scare words about how the number of vaccinations they expect us to get is “daunting”.
You can try and pretend none of that means anything, but give me a break. When some modern day Madame Defarge casually drops “white privilege” into a tweet, or “toxic masculinity”, or the one about how Cleopatra was black, that eye-roll on my part is coming, and it’ll be well-deserved.
But I’ll be the first to admit, it’s not just those on the left whose choice of buzzwords give them away.
While there also observe who was giving real numbers with backup and who was simply using rhetoric like: “dropping like flies.” Though you probably don't need to follow the link to guess the answer to that. ; )
P.S. I consider you producing that comment as your best evidence of me being "wrong" high praise. Thank you for the compliment.Replies: @HA, @Frau Katze
Your questions are lacking in imagination. This is one stupid schematic drawing, not a complete encyclopedia of African agriculture. You can only think of a “civilization” where everything is exactly the same as in the West. There is more than one way to have a civilization and more than one possible sort of diet. Their diet was not better or worse, just slightly different. Probably the average Zulu ate better than a Northern European peasant. Before the introduction of the potato (and in Ireland after the potato crop failed) famine was pretty common in Europe – a bad year where the grain did not grow to maturity before the 1st frost and you would starve.
Rye and oats are the crops of the far north (because they have a shorter growing season than wheat – Dr. Johnson thought that oats were only fit for horses). In Africa they had other crops. Before 1700, the most important grain crops grown by the Zulu were millet and sorghum. In the 18th century, maize (corn) was introduced by the Portuguese. They did plow with oxen. They did brew a type of traditional (unhopped) beer from maize and sorghum. It probably would not have been to your taste but they liked it just fine. They enjoyed watermelon and bananas as fruits as well as tropical fruits that would be completely unfamiliar to you such as the medlar. They ate ground nuts (peanuts) and tiger nuts (also not a nut but a nutlike underground tuber) as well as other underground tubers such as taro (which came to Africa from Asia in antiquity). Later taro was supplemented by New World crops such as cassava, pumpkins and potatoes. They did preserve meat by drying or smoking. They made amazi, which is a fermented milk product somewhere between yogurt and cottage cheese. While there was not an exact Zulu analog to every single thing that you mention, they did have a complete and varied diet.
As to nuclear warheads, how many did apartheid South Africa have?Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D
Israel only came into being in the first place because of American support.
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No. Israel received no American official aid of any consequence prior to 1973. The United States did recognize Israel on its declaration of independence, as did Soviet Russia. Again, the declaration was consistent with the UN partition plan, so it wasn’t a rogue move on the part of David Ben-Gurion and his colleagues.
As to nuclear warheads, how many did apartheid South Africa have?Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D
This is just not true. Prior to 1973, the US was not a major supporter of Israel. They got their armaments (and their nuclear reactor) mostly from France. During the 1956 Suez Crisis, the US refused to back Israel (or Britain or France). The notion of the US as the eternal backer of Israel is retconned ignorance like the notion of Democrats as the eternal backer of blacks. The prior history has been memory holed.
Israel is not comparable to S. Africa. S. Africa was 7.2% white. A 7% minority could not sustain their rule against the other 93% of the population. Israel’s demographics are nothing like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Or perhaps the slew of UN Security Council Resolutions in 1948-1949? More relevant given the veto power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel#United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions
Perhaps most interesting is the admission of Israel to the UN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_69
Egypt was the only country opposed and the sole abstention was the UK (?!).Replies: @Jack D
Want to go into that? (Please don't; smashing your gopher balls over the fence is starting to bore me, and you'd have to be sick to enjoy it yourself).Replies: @Wielgus, @Art Deco
I invite anyone who cares about this to read the linked comment and decide for themselves whether I was downplaying the severity of measles or HA was overstating it.
While there also observe who was giving real numbers with backup and who was simply using rhetoric like: “dropping like flies.” Though you probably don’t need to follow the link to guess the answer to that. ; )
P.S. I consider you producing that comment as your best evidence of me being “wrong” high praise. Thank you for the compliment.
It’s not usually fatal in the first world. But after the measles vaccination campaign was interrupted in Samoa, there were 76 deaths.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/18/these-babies-should-not-have-died-how-the-measles-outbreak-took-hold-in-samoa
It’s a pretty unpleasant experience as people who were children prior to the vaccine will recall (including me). But it wasn’t as feared as polio.
Rye and oats are the crops of the far north (because they have a shorter growing season than wheat - Dr. Johnson thought that oats were only fit for horses). In Africa they had other crops. Before 1700, the most important grain crops grown by the Zulu were millet and sorghum. In the 18th century, maize (corn) was introduced by the Portuguese. They did plow with oxen. They did brew a type of traditional (unhopped) beer from maize and sorghum. It probably would not have been to your taste but they liked it just fine. They enjoyed watermelon and bananas as fruits as well as tropical fruits that would be completely unfamiliar to you such as the medlar. They ate ground nuts (peanuts) and tiger nuts (also not a nut but a nutlike underground tuber) as well as other underground tubers such as taro (which came to Africa from Asia in antiquity). Later taro was supplemented by New World crops such as cassava, pumpkins and potatoes. They did preserve meat by drying or smoking. They made amazi, which is a fermented milk product somewhere between yogurt and cottage cheese. While there was not an exact Zulu analog to every single thing that you mention, they did have a complete and varied diet.Replies: @Art Deco, @ThreeCranes
There were African cultivators. There was little or nothing in the way of African civilization, which incorporates division of labor and the development of urban life. You saw this adjacent to Egypt, you saw this on the Horn of Africa, and you saw this in the Sahel (during the European High Medieval period). Not anywhere else.
Africans were also not behind in other respects - they did make iron, which is more than the Amerindians ever did.
Perhaps referring to UN General Assembly Resolution 181? Colin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Or perhaps the slew of UN Security Council Resolutions in 1948-1949? More relevant given the veto power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel#United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions
Perhaps most interesting is the admission of Israel to the UN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_69
Egypt was the only country opposed and the sole abstention was the UK (?!).
I will note that the switch in 1973 was mostly related to Cold War exigencies and not "Jewish influence" in Washington (which did not suddenly increase in 1973). The Soviets had become major backers of Egypt and Syria (the Russians are Syrian backers to this day) and by the logic of the Cold War, the US had to back Israel, which was being threatened by Soviet supplied armaments. There were many such regional conflicts during the Cold War that operated according to the same logic (and arguably still do - e.g. Ukraine).Replies: @Pixo, @Art Deco
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html
More informative is this 2022 USDA report: Israeli Food Supply Chain.
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=Israeli%20Food%20Supply%20Chain_Tel%20Aviv_Israel_IS2022-0004.pdfThat last sentence is worth some elaboration.Replies: @Jack D
The country that is least self-sufficient in food is Egypt. They have 109 million people and the only arable land is a thin strip on the banks of the Nile and the Nile delta. 5 miles from the Nile the trackless desert begins. 85% of their wheat is imported, mostly from Russia and Ukraine.
Although it has land borders with Sudan and Libya (and Israel), virtually all the food comes by sea. Egypt’s GDP is 1/2 of Israel’s but they have 10x the population so food insecurity is a much bigger issue for them.
At the right of the photo you can see southern Israel, which is noticeably greener than Gaza and the West Bank.
Comparing Egypt and Israel.
https://fas.usda.gov/egypt-2020-export-highlightFrom a figure there it looks like Egypt's agricultural imports are about $13B per year. I am guessing that is gross and I don't see export numbers to give net.
For Israel from the report I linked earlier.
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=Israeli%20Food%20Supply%20Chain_Tel%20Aviv_Israel_IS2022-0004.pdfThat gives net imports of $4.9B
From a dollar point of view food security is definitely a bigger issue for Egypt (lower relative GDP). Harder to tell about as proportion of food consumption.
So off to look for better numbers. Here we go. A 2023 study from Leiden University.
https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2023/03/producing-all-our-food-nationally-is-it-even-possible
If you zoom in on the map there you can see the following numbers for "Percentage of land needed for self-sustainability." Higher is worse. As they say: Values above 100% indicate nations that require more than their available agricultural land. Yes, two decimal places is ridiculous, but that is what they give.
Egypt: 733.62
Israel: 1080.32
For comparison the only other country I see that bad.
Bangladesh: 1195.72
Given the food supply issues with Egypt perhaps worth emphasizing that the only land route Israel can use for food imports is through Egypt.
Congratulations, Jack! You win the argument: game, set, and match.
Look: you're sure you're not some kind of Iranian black op? I mean, you could be like that girl in Blade Runner. You think you're arguing Israel's case, but...Replies: @Art Deco
It can be shown, but you did not bother to show anything other than your rationalization of an opinion you wanted to support.
I think I read that air bags (that go off with the force of a shotgun shell) save the lives of speeding and reckless young male drivers and kill small slight women drivers and children strapped in less than perfectly. Like almost everything in life it is a tradeoff and the safety police like to show off the dramatic wreck which the driver survives.
Oh, and the State feels justified in doing whatever the hell it wants to do – didn’t you just live through Covid? My town chained and padlocked the local town outdoor tennis and basketball courts. They felt justified with no reason.
Egypt also does not appear in that list I linked. That might be because they mistitled the list: “Countries Who Are Unable To Produce Their Own Food.” The column heading in the list reads “Countries Without Sufficient Food Supply” which makes more sense for omitting Israel and Egypt.
Comparing Egypt and Israel.
https://fas.usda.gov/egypt-2020-export-highlight
From a figure there it looks like Egypt’s agricultural imports are about $13B per year. I am guessing that is gross and I don’t see export numbers to give net.
For Israel from the report I linked earlier.
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=Israeli%20Food%20Supply%20Chain_Tel%20Aviv_Israel_IS2022-0004.pdf
That gives net imports of $4.9B
From a dollar point of view food security is definitely a bigger issue for Egypt (lower relative GDP). Harder to tell about as proportion of food consumption.
So off to look for better numbers. Here we go. A 2023 study from Leiden University.
https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2023/03/producing-all-our-food-nationally-is-it-even-possible
If you zoom in on the map there you can see the following numbers for “Percentage of land needed for self-sustainability.” Higher is worse. As they say: Values above 100% indicate nations that require more than their available agricultural land. Yes, two decimal places is ridiculous, but that is what they give.
Egypt: 733.62
Israel: 1080.32
For comparison the only other country I see that bad.
Bangladesh: 1195.72
Given the food supply issues with Egypt perhaps worth emphasizing that the only land route Israel can use for food imports is through Egypt.
people who say that the 9/11 attacks did not happen (at least as portrayed), etc. so why not Covid deniers too? To my mind it was completely par for the course for these clowns.
Sure but the 9-11 conspiracies are around origin and most are unprovable. The COVID threads here were filled with flat out reality denial.
I had people here telling me that COVID doesn’t exist even though I was showing how anyone can buy a $10,000 electromagnetic microscope that can view a coronavirus. In fact you could probably just visit your local University to try one.
It wasn’t one or two times. In fact some of the same people would just go back to claiming it doesn’t exist. I pointed out how the strain had been mapped in a public database and anyone was free to submit new mutations. I had people here tell me that all the people involved with the database (thousands of scientists around the world) were all in on a conspiracy.
That would have been 1918. Part of the problem was that there is almost nobody alive who remembers the 1918 epidemic so we had to relearn its lessons all over again from scratch.
Well sure but I was referring to a recent period. As in a recent year where the flu led to mass graves.
While there also observe who was giving real numbers with backup and who was simply using rhetoric like: “dropping like flies.” Though you probably don't need to follow the link to guess the answer to that. ; )
P.S. I consider you producing that comment as your best evidence of me being "wrong" high praise. Thank you for the compliment.Replies: @HA, @Frau Katze
“that comment as your best evidence of me being ‘wrong’ that comment as your best evidence of me being ‘wrong’”
Don’t flatter yourself. I was speaking specifically to the point about you outing yourself as an anti-vaxx sympathizer. I generally don’t keep track of what others write unless I’m involved in the conversation, and in the case of the comment I linked to, I was. If you want someone to vet the rest of your output for evidence of you being wrong, you’ll need to find someone who cares enough one way or the other to actually read it.
And the phrase I used was “if the number of anti-vaxxers is sufficiently high, young children will start popping off like flies”. I.e., I didn’t quantify that at all, and yet, given your 300 word response, it obviously triggered you. As in, how dare you bad-mouth measles that way! I.e., straight out of the Humphries playbook. Whereas a scare word like “daunting number of vaccines they expect us to get” — hey, no problem there.
Face it, for all your concern about data and research, you’ve been taken in by anti-vaxxers. It’s pretty sad, and explains why a group of people as venal and dangerous as Big Pharma nonetheless managed to weather the COVID storm as well as they did. Their opponents were just that feckless — or else, you’re just that scared of needles. You might as well have been paid controlled-opp for all the god you did.
You may not want to admit any of that, or admit what it says about you, but plenty of others who have dealt with anti-vaxxers will see what I’m talking about. You’re just ticked off that I picked up on it.
Rye and oats are the crops of the far north (because they have a shorter growing season than wheat - Dr. Johnson thought that oats were only fit for horses). In Africa they had other crops. Before 1700, the most important grain crops grown by the Zulu were millet and sorghum. In the 18th century, maize (corn) was introduced by the Portuguese. They did plow with oxen. They did brew a type of traditional (unhopped) beer from maize and sorghum. It probably would not have been to your taste but they liked it just fine. They enjoyed watermelon and bananas as fruits as well as tropical fruits that would be completely unfamiliar to you such as the medlar. They ate ground nuts (peanuts) and tiger nuts (also not a nut but a nutlike underground tuber) as well as other underground tubers such as taro (which came to Africa from Asia in antiquity). Later taro was supplemented by New World crops such as cassava, pumpkins and potatoes. They did preserve meat by drying or smoking. They made amazi, which is a fermented milk product somewhere between yogurt and cottage cheese. While there was not an exact Zulu analog to every single thing that you mention, they did have a complete and varied diet.Replies: @Art Deco, @ThreeCranes
As usual, you are jabbing voodoo needles into a straw man of your own concocting. But since it so little resembles me, I feel nothing.
Bray on, Jackass.
Well, I don’t know if the obituary was deserved or not, but Rothbard was a hack when it came to the philosophical defense of his particular brand of libertarianism (anarcho-capitalism) and is overrated.
However, I’ve read of an anecdote he recounts where that pernicious she-devil Ayn Rand demanded of her followers that they reject Christ and agree that He was the source of all evil. Rothbard, whose wife was Christian, refused. He thereafter parted ways with Rand. So I give him credit for that.
And since his name is in the department title look up what good old Cesar had to say about illegal immigration and YES, he did indeed call them "wetbacks".Replies: @Colin Wright
That guy wound up being a bit of a sad case all around; his cause traduced, he himself involved in delusional megalomania — nothing left but a bunch of street names in neighborhoods now filled with people who have no idea who he was.
It was pretty pathetic; one could make a depressing anti-epic of it all. Think of a political version of Raging Bull.
How about what happened in 1947-48?
Want to go into that? (Please don’t; smashing your gopher balls over the fence is starting to bore me, and you’d have to be sick to enjoy it yourself).
Alright! Jack demonstrates that Israel isn’t in as bad shape as Egypt!
Congratulations, Jack! You win the argument: game, set, and match.
Look: you’re sure you’re not some kind of Iranian black op? I mean, you could be like that girl in Blade Runner. You think you’re arguing Israel’s case, but…
While there also observe who was giving real numbers with backup and who was simply using rhetoric like: “dropping like flies.” Though you probably don't need to follow the link to guess the answer to that. ; )
P.S. I consider you producing that comment as your best evidence of me being "wrong" high praise. Thank you for the compliment.Replies: @HA, @Frau Katze
Re: measles
It’s not usually fatal in the first world. But after the measles vaccination campaign was interrupted in Samoa, there were 76 deaths.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/18/these-babies-should-not-have-died-how-the-measles-outbreak-took-hold-in-samoa
It’s a pretty unpleasant experience as people who were children prior to the vaccine will recall (including me). But it wasn’t as feared as polio.
Political correctness in the ’90s was often dismissed as some silly fad by mainstream conservatives: mildly annoying but ultimately benign, something to mock and kvetch about, but not something worth devoting serious effort to oppose. Moderates and liberals tended to present it as mere politeness, a set of social norms to avoid giving unwanted offense to facilitate living together in a pluralistic society. Both these views are to misunderstand the fundamental nature of political correctness. In fact, political correctness is an expression of mature liberal ideology and functions as a comprehensive enforcement mechanism for conformity to this ideology. The result is a rigidly uniform society that tolerates no dissent from politically correct orthodoxy, that abolishes any rational politics, and that destroys community and deprives life of any meaningful choices. The rise of ‘wokeness’ in recent years with its cancel culture and periodic two-minute hate sessions against anyone who traduces woke norms is simply the culmination of the internal logic of political correctness working itself out.
James Kalb is essential reading for anyone wanting to understand the nature of political correctness. Here is an old essay of his from the late ’90s where he defines an analyzes it:
PC and the Crisis of Liberalism
And here’s a short blog post (not by Kalb) describing the anti-social nature of PC:
Is Political Correctness Merely Niceness?
Want to go into that? (Please don't; smashing your gopher balls over the fence is starting to bore me, and you'd have to be sick to enjoy it yourself).Replies: @Wielgus, @Art Deco
American backing for the Zionists after WW2 also helped undercut any British desire to hang onto the Palestine mandate. In addition to the discouraging effect of Zionist terrorist attacks.
The US gov. was in favor of the end of European colonialism in general, being ex-colonials ourselves.
He didn’t ask about that, he asked about food, as if not growing rye and not brewing lager in his preferred style was proof of lack of civilization.
Africans were also not behind in other respects – they did make iron, which is more than the Amerindians ever did.
What did this “backing” consist of?
The US gov. was in favor of the end of European colonialism in general, being ex-colonials ourselves.
The ‘intelligence agencies’ with a five-digit headcount are components of the Department of Defense. The only exception would be the CIA, which is thought to employ about 20,000 people. If I’m not mistaken, military and civilian employment at the Department of Defense approaches 2 million.
And that isn't counting the vast number of people employed by the "defense" industry in companies large and small - many of which are well known and many of which are not.Replies: @Art Deco
Want to go into that? (Please don't; smashing your gopher balls over the fence is starting to bore me, and you'd have to be sick to enjoy it yourself).Replies: @Wielgus, @Art Deco
What happened was that the United States recognized the State of Israel on 14 May 1948. So did Soviet Russia.
Congratulations, Jack! You win the argument: game, set, and match.
Look: you're sure you're not some kind of Iranian black op? I mean, you could be like that girl in Blade Runner. You think you're arguing Israel's case, but...Replies: @Art Deco
Israel’s per capita product is similar to that of Britain and Italy. Its macroeconomic indicators are satisfactory, its population is as fecund as any among the world’s affluent countries, and its life expectancy at birth is 82 years.
HA seems to be engaging in projection more and more.
With a nod to Damon Knight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Or perhaps the slew of UN Security Council Resolutions in 1948-1949? More relevant given the veto power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel#United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions
Perhaps most interesting is the admission of Israel to the UN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_69
Egypt was the only country opposed and the sole abstention was the UK (?!).Replies: @Jack D
I guess you could say that the US “backed” Israel in the sense that they did not veto the resolutions leading to its formation but I get the feeling that in the imagination of the “pro-Palestine” crowd that they have a lot more than that in mind, something more similar to the relationship that has existed since 1973, with the US supplying weapons to Israel, often at no cost. This just didn’t exist back then. US government “support” was more in the nature of neutrality – the US did not prevent the emergence of Israel but neither did they send them any weapons or money, for example.
I will note that the switch in 1973 was mostly related to Cold War exigencies and not “Jewish influence” in Washington (which did not suddenly increase in 1973). The Soviets had become major backers of Egypt and Syria (the Russians are Syrian backers to this day) and by the logic of the Cold War, the US had to back Israel, which was being threatened by Soviet supplied armaments. There were many such regional conflicts during the Cold War that operated according to the same logic (and arguably still do – e.g. Ukraine).
The US took the USSR and Egypt’s side against Britain France and Israel in the Suez Crisis.
“That’s rich coming from a hysterical ninny like you who advocated shutting down the World, destroying billions of dollars in economic activity, just so that poor little you wouldn’t get sick.”
For reasons I won’t get into, I was never at risk for COVID, and apart from hysterical ninnies who couldn’t face another needle, the world did OK with opening up again once the vaccines came aboard. If you want to screech at hysterical ninnies, deal with your own damage.
“I am sick to death of big-mouthed blowhard a**holes like you…”
Oh, yet another reason to keep posting! Maybe they’ll make a vaccine to cure your… oh, wait. You’re scared of those.
“It can be shown, but you did not bother to show anything other than your rationalization of an opinion you wanted to support.”
I haven’t much looked into seat belts and airbags, and don’t particularly care. I’m just pointing out to the hysterical ninnies who can’t get over COVID — or fluoridated water, vaccine-induced autism, chemtrails, or whatever other health issues they want to rage against — that there have been lots of punitive measures in place regarding public health. If you want to make seat belts the hill you die on as opposed to a pandemic that ended over a year ago — or look for some even more worthless pursuit to waste your lives on — feel free.
I’m not particularly pleased at how decisively Big Pharma won out when it came to COVID, but given the alternatives the bros were offering, I’m not that surprised.
“I think I read that…the safety police like to show off the dramatic wreck….”
You think you read something? Well, that’s certainly sounds rock solid. Look, if you’ve got data that indicate that airbags or seat belts kill more lives than they save, produce it and then go argue over it with someone who cares. Keep me out of it.
I paid insurance premiums for four decades without using it so a lot of the money I received for my Covid treatment was just getting money back I had previously given them.
Even if the government had paid for it, the year I caught the disease I did not collect a 50 thousand dollar government pension and continued working. That 50 thousand dollars was much more than the cost of my Covid treatment.
I told HA I qualified for my pension at 55 and have worked another 12 years, thereby saving the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. Rather than acknowledging I was a good person for doing that, he just continued to spew invective at me.
For some reason or other I thought you were young. Didn’t you read about how Covid was killing older people? I did and decided the vaccine was my best bet. It should have been crystal clear.
That’s likely why you were hospitalized—your age.
You survived that bad decision. Why don’t you just be happy that you’re still alive instead of carrying on about endlessly?
I honestly don’t understand.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mark G.
In short:
1. In the 1950s debt to GDP was about 80 percent compared to about 120 percent now. By the 1980s, when we were spending about five to six percent of GDP on defense, debt to gdp ratio had fallen to about forty percent. We could afford to bankrupt the USSR.
2. On a more a granular, and very important level, mandatory outlays as a percentage of gdp were much lower then than they are now. Moreover, and critically, mandatory outlays are projected to keep rising for the next twenty five and more years…..it’s not clear that multi year projections are that reliable, but given the current political priorities, it’s a safe bet that mandatory outlays will continue to rise sharply.
3. That leaves, then, net interest paid on fed debt as a percentage of gdp, which is forecast to rise to more than three and a half percent of gdp by 2030 and to about eight percent of gdp by 2052. Thus, in only six years, net interest spending will be more, much more, than defense spending, and in only one generation will be almost three times defense spending.
Whatever HA thinks of Mark G, for whatever reason, the numbers are inexorable and terrible, and the personal sniping is pointless distraction. The estimable host of this blog is a numerate noticer. It is easy to get and the compare the graphs of these inexorable numbers that don’t give a fig for HA, or Mark G, or any of us…but we are all in the same boat.
The current excess liquidity is debt fueled and unproductive regardless of where the SP500 is…it’s another asset bubble that will eventually pop, as they all eventually do (after the last short capitulates).
There is a narrow path that can be threaded to avoid slumping towards ‘not-even-Brazil’ but towards a giant Argentina…. stop the rise in mandatory outlays (but this is hard to see taking place), raise taxes somewhat (but there are well known limits to excessive taxation), massively increase productivity faster than the projected increase in net interest spending, and finds cuts in discretionary spending.
It is clearly in our national interest to protect the capitalist system which has been proven to be the best of all systems tried to date, as well as to protect free trade and shipping lanes, etc etc. We clearly need to spend a lot of money to do that. But, the correct approach is to work out in a dispassionate manner the optimal percentage of the outlays necessary to advance our communal national interest for the least amount spent, and I emphasize the word communal.
They say that countries go bankrupt slowly and then all of a sudden. We cannot fritter away all of our structural and physical advantages. If we go slowly (and then ‘all of a sudden’) broke in the next thirty years, there are no lifeboats for any of us… we are taking the whole system down with us, and that includes our children’s futures.Replies: @HA
“but HA’s numbers are wrong, and the consequences of the numbers are bad.”
My sources for the numbers is clearly stated on the graph I presented and given that, they’re a lot more solid than whatever it is you pulled out from your backside and then proceeded to dress up with scare words like inexorable and terrible and Argentina.
Again, I am very much in favor of paying down the debt, but come on. Pretending that cutting Ukraine off is going to have anything much to do with that is sleazy misdirection straight out of Marjorie Taylor Greene’s playbook. Especially given what it has historically cost us to deal with Moscow, and what we are likely to see again if Putin has his way.
If that’s not enough to dissuade you, then how about I tell you it’s the kind of misdirection that will lead us to… inexorably bad consequences. Terrible, even — I’m talking Argentine level! Or else, if that doesn’t impress you, I’m confused why you thought it would work on me or anyone outside the likes of Mark G, as desperate as he is to deflect from his own failure at trimming the fat, and what that ultimately cost him (and I daresay the rest of us, given that he works for the government).
Source: GAO. Try to lose your anal fixation, your arguments will smell less.
Read today’s editorial section in the WSJ, it directly brings up the fact that net interest on debt will be higher than defense spending as soon as next year and will be 55 percent higher than defense spending within 6 years. The only half witted misdirection comes from HA in his mommy’s basement, if you want to throw a tantrum, write to the editors at the WSJ whose editorial addressed the same issue. You won’t be published until you learn how to reason and how to write.
Lastly, I didn’t mention Ukraine which only costs us perhaps max seven to ten percent of defense outlays…it may well be that dispassionate analysis will show that we should spend even more, not less, on defending Ukraine. Let’s have that analysis…..for all that I know, Rand Corp has already done it.
In the end, just as the WSJ explained today, net interest on debt is frightening (perhaps not to innumerate children in their mommy’s basement) , it will quickly rise to 1.5 trillion….and eventually it will be bigger than any mandatory outlay. You are a deeply unserious twit.Replies: @HA
“I paid insurance premiums for four decades without using it so a lot of the money I received for my Covid treatment was just getting money back I had previously given them.”
The money wouldn’t have been spent at all if you hadn’t been an idiot in the first place. It could have been used for something worthier — even paying down the debt or some other fat-trimming. (And note, for the record, I’m not fat-shaming you and don’t care what your or anyone else’s weight is. I’m just noting that as stupid as it is to be 66 and still decide to pass on the vaccine, it is stupider still to be 66 and also fat — or “husky” or “Zaftig” or “healthy-at-any-weight” or whatever other euphemisms you use to describe yourself — and despite all that, to pass on the vaccine. To the extent anyone else didn’t choose to be that dumb, kudos, whatever their avoirdupois.)
“I told HA I qualified for my pension at 55 and have worked another 12 years, thereby saving the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.”
Yeah, I’m sure you slaved away for 12 years because you’re a good person. All that money the government shelled out to you as opposed to hiring someone junior? Why, it was actually SAVING us money!
Yeah, it’s funny how it turns out to be a savings when it results in something YOU want done. We’re all much alike in that respect. Then again, I’m not just worried about my own hide and what keeps my own paycheck going for another 12 years, so I take that back — we’re not alike at all.
In the former, religion tended to be individual. A boy transitioning to manhood goes off alone into the forest on his vision quest. He wanders alone until he is visited by his guardian spirit at which time he returns to his village and tells the Shaman what he saw. The shaman declares that henceforth he is a member of the e.g. Beaver Clan.*
Farming myths are more communal and tend to revolve around festivals celebrating crucial dates related to planting and harvesting. Phases of the moon or rising of the Sun, parades and large social gatherings, eating and drinking, dancing and singing.
Speaking generally, would Sub-Saharan African men be classified as the former or the latter? Rumor around here has it that they had no effective calendar, no system of numbering and no way to chart the heavens so how they could have kept track of important agricultural dates is a mystery.
*We say "member of a clan" but that's not precisely what's going on. What is really happening is that, having evolved with animals, the human Spirit or Mind is engaged with them as Jungian archetypes. When a young person is given a vision he is instructed by the Shaman to follow that totem animal's path, to see the world from that animal's perspective. Then, during council, the devotee of every particular animal reports to the group what the perspective is from that animal's point of view. How does the Beaver see this? How does the Bear see this?
The Shaman or Head Chief himself is not assigning one to something of which the Shaman is totally aware. It is not a script. Rather, he is relying upon the current journeyman on that animal's path for feedback—not unlike an executive who relies upon his division chiefs for input upon any project the Group undertakes. So, e.g. I am not literally ThreeCranes. I merely follow them.Replies: @ThreeCranes, @ThreeCranes
I should have added that the reason the myths differ is that the personalities being cultivated differed. The hunter depends upon personal skill, daring, cunning and Luck. If he is gifted by nature with those attributes in abundance, then he is recognized as having great personal power and part of that is being lucky, in the cosmological sense. Kinda like what “privilege” is to loser liberals.
Among us, some are born with a kind of magic charisma through which things seem to go their way. A hunter blessed with that will generally be successful.
The communal farmer relies upon consistent, persistent, steady effort. He is not a hero, nor is his personal charisma called into play. Dogged sticktoitiveness, determined effort, deferred gratification and the capacity to endure drudgery are his defining attributes.
So, the thesis is: a person who is genetically sculpted to hunt will make a poor farmer and vice versa.
If I had retired at 55 they would have replaced me with someone else. They would have then paid that person to do the job I had left plus paid me my pension. By staying, they did not have to pay that other person and did not have to pay my pension. They only pay my salary, which is much less than the combined cost of my pension plus a salary for a replacement employee.
I went to work for the military 40 years ago because I loved my country and wanted to help defend its borders. I do not care about defending the borders of the Ukraine and do not believe in any silly updated version of the domino theory. If you care about the Ukraine, you should be fighting there.
“If I had retired at 55 they would have replaced me with someone else.”
If the starting salary of the person replacing you is greater than yours, that tells us all I need to know about how valued an employee you are. Whereas if decades of seniority DID elevate your salary, if not the quality of your performance (or indeed the rationale for employing someone like you in the first place), then keeping you on amounts to an expense. I’m not in favor of pushing out the aged, but there’s a reason why so many companies regard that as profitable (however short-sighted), and you can’t have it both ways.
Again, it just so seems to happen that when the costs benefit you, then surprise, surprise, they’re actually a SAVINGS and somehow render you a good person for suffering the indignity of remaining employed for another 12 years. Whereas for everyone else, well, we just have to cut those costs, people, and we can’t keep going like this, chop-chop, etc., etc.
It’s tiresome and hypocritical. Trim your own fat, be it literal or metaphorical, and then you’ll be in a better position to dictate to others. Seriously, how sad it is that I have to be the one to tell you this?
I will note that the switch in 1973 was mostly related to Cold War exigencies and not "Jewish influence" in Washington (which did not suddenly increase in 1973). The Soviets had become major backers of Egypt and Syria (the Russians are Syrian backers to this day) and by the logic of the Cold War, the US had to back Israel, which was being threatened by Soviet supplied armaments. There were many such regional conflicts during the Cold War that operated according to the same logic (and arguably still do - e.g. Ukraine).Replies: @Pixo, @Art Deco
“ I will note that the switch in 1973 was mostly related to Cold War exigencies”
The US took the USSR and Egypt’s side against Britain France and Israel in the Suez Crisis.
I will note that the switch in 1973 was mostly related to Cold War exigencies and not "Jewish influence" in Washington (which did not suddenly increase in 1973). The Soviets had become major backers of Egypt and Syria (the Russians are Syrian backers to this day) and by the logic of the Cold War, the US had to back Israel, which was being threatened by Soviet supplied armaments. There were many such regional conflicts during the Cold War that operated according to the same logic (and arguably still do - e.g. Ukraine).Replies: @Pixo, @Art Deco
The Nasser regime began cutting deals with Soviet Russia in 1955. If I’m not mistaken, Syria always had a pro-Soviet orientation. Egypt was retreating from its association with Soviet Russia by 1973. American aid to Israel grew contextually enormous during the period running from 1973 to 1984, then began to recede incrementally. The non-military portion ceased 30 years ago. A big expansion occurred during the Carter Administration as a way of inducing Israel to agree to settlements with Egypt. The irony there is that of all American presidents since 1948, Carter may be the most emotionally antagonistic to Israel (or, perhaps, 2d to Obama in that respect). The U.S. government has grown so gross and erratic Israel might be well advised to cut the cord entirely.
Israel certainly values its relationship with the US and is bending over backwards to please Biden but if push came to shove they would go it alone if they had to.
The antizionist wet dream is that the US will pull the plug, Jews will just get sick of fighting with the Arabs and all move to Brooklyn but it's never going to happen.
Dreaming about this only causes another generation of young Arab men to throw their lives away on an impossible mission. If the Palestinians (and their Western "friends") would accept that Israel is not going away then they could make some kind of reasonable deal with it (frankly a deal that will be less good that they would prefer because they don't have many cards, but you can only play the cards that you are dealt), but instead they indulge in maximalist fantasies that only end in tragedy for them, time after time.
Do I really need to do the math for you here? If I leave they give me a 50 thousand dollar a year pension and hire a replacement for 50 thousand dollars a year. That is a hundred thousand dollars a year. If I stay they give me 62 thousand dollars a year and do not need a replacement for me. 100 minus 62 is 38 thousand dollars a year. I save the taxpayers 38 thousand dollars a year by working when I do not have to.
That certainly makes more sense, I'll grant you that, but don't forget that they could also just cut out your job altogether, or whatever else they're going to have to do anyway once we hit Argentina-esque debt levels next Tuesday or whenever that's supposed to happen. The fact that the government and the world didn't end during your stay in the hospital makes me think that's going to happen at some point anyway, however much you insist that what you do is indispensable.
The fact that you managed to suck up decades worth of insurance premiums in a couple of weeks (that the government -- i.e. the rest of us -- ultimately paid for, however much you want to claim they're some slush fund that you have a right to use up and squander by way of dumb lifestyle choices) makes me question all this altruism that supposedly motivates you, not to mention how much you're saving anyone, and I'll keep questioning that as long as those choices ultimately wind up with you keeping your job even while you insist it's someone else's government expenditures that need to be drastically cut. Moreover, if you weren't coming into the office and infecting (and getting infected by) everyone else there that might have been avoided.Replies: @Mark G.
This is all well and good but the antizionists of Unz have the notion that the US backed Israel from day 1 (and that therefore, as a creature of America, Israel can only exist with American support) when this is totally false. Israel received little to no US support for the 1st 25 years of its existence and the help it receives now is not critical to its future existence either.
Israel certainly values its relationship with the US and is bending over backwards to please Biden but if push came to shove they would go it alone if they had to.
The antizionist wet dream is that the US will pull the plug, Jews will just get sick of fighting with the Arabs and all move to Brooklyn but it’s never going to happen.
Dreaming about this only causes another generation of young Arab men to throw their lives away on an impossible mission. If the Palestinians (and their Western “friends”) would accept that Israel is not going away then they could make some kind of reasonable deal with it (frankly a deal that will be less good that they would prefer because they don’t have many cards, but you can only play the cards that you are dealt), but instead they indulge in maximalist fantasies that only end in tragedy for them, time after time.
“If I leave they give me a 50 thousand dollar a year pension and hire a replacement for 50 thousand dollars a year.”
That certainly makes more sense, I’ll grant you that, but don’t forget that they could also just cut out your job altogether, or whatever else they’re going to have to do anyway once we hit Argentina-esque debt levels next Tuesday or whenever that’s supposed to happen. The fact that the government and the world didn’t end during your stay in the hospital makes me think that’s going to happen at some point anyway, however much you insist that what you do is indispensable.
The fact that you managed to suck up decades worth of insurance premiums in a couple of weeks (that the government — i.e. the rest of us — ultimately paid for, however much you want to claim they’re some slush fund that you have a right to use up and squander by way of dumb lifestyle choices) makes me question all this altruism that supposedly motivates you, not to mention how much you’re saving anyone, and I’ll keep questioning that as long as those choices ultimately wind up with you keeping your job even while you insist it’s someone else’s government expenditures that need to be drastically cut. Moreover, if you weren’t coming into the office and infecting (and getting infected by) everyone else there that might have been avoided.
So you must be 67.
For some reason or other I thought you were young. Didn’t you read about how Covid was killing older people? I did and decided the vaccine was my best bet. It should have been crystal clear.
That’s likely why you were hospitalized—your age.
You survived that bad decision. Why don’t you just be happy that you’re still alive instead of carrying on about endlessly?
I honestly don’t understand.
It was pretty clear that age and obesity were risk factors but every single rural hospital had people like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd8P12BXebo
I don't take any glee in what happened to them. I would have preferred them to get the vaccine.
One of our rural hospitals completely shut down over COVID. As in ZERO emergency services which meant people died because the next closet hospital was too far.Replies: @Frau Katze
The federal government also tried to force through national employer vaccine mandates. Thank God, the Supreme Court stopped it. Encouraged by the federal government, many states locked down. This resulted in many businesses going under. No lockdown Florida, adjusted for age distribution, had the same death rate as the lockdown states.
If you go along with evil, you only encourage it. This is why I did not and will continue to speak out.Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @res
That certainly makes more sense, I'll grant you that, but don't forget that they could also just cut out your job altogether, or whatever else they're going to have to do anyway once we hit Argentina-esque debt levels next Tuesday or whenever that's supposed to happen. The fact that the government and the world didn't end during your stay in the hospital makes me think that's going to happen at some point anyway, however much you insist that what you do is indispensable.
The fact that you managed to suck up decades worth of insurance premiums in a couple of weeks (that the government -- i.e. the rest of us -- ultimately paid for, however much you want to claim they're some slush fund that you have a right to use up and squander by way of dumb lifestyle choices) makes me question all this altruism that supposedly motivates you, not to mention how much you're saving anyone, and I'll keep questioning that as long as those choices ultimately wind up with you keeping your job even while you insist it's someone else's government expenditures that need to be drastically cut. Moreover, if you weren't coming into the office and infecting (and getting infected by) everyone else there that might have been avoided.Replies: @Mark G.
“if you weren’t coming into the office and infecting everyone else”
You like to make a lot of unwarranted assumptions. My building was closed due to the lockdowns and we were teleworking and not going into the office. Also, even if you are vaccinated you can still catch and pass on the disease. A female coworker got vaccinated and then got such a bad case of Covid she could not even stand up for three days. I never was sick enough to not be able to walk.
You claim I was 66 when I got the disease. I was 64. I told you I submitted an insurance claim. I did that because I was not 65 yet and had not applied for Medicare. I am also not fat. I am 15 pounds below the average weight for someone my age.
You need to acknowledge that I save the taxpayers close to 40 thousand dollars a year by foregoing my retirement. Even just one year of that is more than the cost of my Covid treatment.
I paid insurance premiums for four decades without using it so a lot of the money I received for my Covid treatment was just getting money back I had previously given them.
LOL is that how you see it?
You cough up a lung and that is payback on your premiums?
If you got into a serious car wreck would you scream WHOOO FINALLY A RETURN ON MY INSURANCE!
Beating the system is not needing to use your insurance.
That 50 thousand dollars was much more than the cost of my Covid treatment.
We would all have lower premiums if libertarians and anti-vaxxers had to pay their full bills for preventable hospital stays. Same for smokers that think they are minding their own business until they “cash in” their premiums.
For some reason or other I thought you were young. Didn’t you read about how Covid was killing older people? I did and decided the vaccine was my best bet. It should have been crystal clear.
That’s likely why you were hospitalized—your age.
You survived that bad decision. Why don’t you just be happy that you’re still alive instead of carrying on about endlessly?
I honestly don’t understand.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mark G.
For some reason or other I thought you were young. Didn’t you read about how Covid was killing older people? I did and decided the vaccine was my best bet. It should have been crystal clear.
It was pretty clear that age and obesity were risk factors but every single rural hospital had people like this:
I don’t take any glee in what happened to them. I would have preferred them to get the vaccine.
One of our rural hospitals completely shut down over COVID. As in ZERO emergency services which meant people died because the next closet hospital was too far.
There was no politics in encouraging older people to take the vaccine. So what if it wasn’t tested for 10 years; that luxury was unavailable.
“Also, even if you are vaccinated you can still catch and pass on the disease.”
And you can still die in a car accident after strapping on a seat belt. No one denies that. But as study after study shows, the odds of something serious happening after a vaccination (and that includes hospitalization) are far more in your favor than confronting COVID unprepared, and in your case, it shows. Yeah, locking down and not allowing infection to happen at all is even more effective, but obviously that didn’t suit any of you either, and honestly, I wasn’t enthusiastic about that either.
Oh, and ones who were able to brush COVID off and not sneeze and wheeze for a week or more in a hospital setting by and large did much less passing on of COVID, so that’s another factor you’re omitting. It’s not the only thing in your story that doesn’t add up or that’s at the very least highly unlikely, but I’ll leave it at that, except to say I’m gonna wait until I see the full cost of your hospital stay to be confident about what that really cost the rest us, including what the government and insurance wound up shelling out — my hunch is you’re overlooking a big chunk of that, too.
Based on what? I told you I save the taxpayers close to 40 thousand dollars a year by foregoing my retirement and the cost of my Covid treatment was less than one year of that. I was not there a week or more. I told you they let me go home after 4 days because the doctor said I did not look sick. I told you that two weeks later my personal doctor said my lung x-rays did not look like a typical formerly hospitalized patient and had no lung damage. That was because I was not that sick.
You are just making the same accusations over and over and expecting me to repeat myself. That is just troll behavior.Replies: @HA
For some reason or other I thought you were young. Didn’t you read about how Covid was killing older people? I did and decided the vaccine was my best bet. It should have been crystal clear.
That’s likely why you were hospitalized—your age.
You survived that bad decision. Why don’t you just be happy that you’re still alive instead of carrying on about endlessly?
I honestly don’t understand.Replies: @John Johnson, @Mark G.
I did not get vaccinated more for philosophical rather than medical reasons. I do not like seeing attempts at physical coercion made. Doctors who were trying to develop and implement early home treatments were threatened with the loss of their licenses. This was done to eliminate potential competition to hospital treatments and the vaccines.
The federal government also tried to force through national employer vaccine mandates. Thank God, the Supreme Court stopped it. Encouraged by the federal government, many states locked down. This resulted in many businesses going under. No lockdown Florida, adjusted for age distribution, had the same death rate as the lockdown states.
If you go along with evil, you only encourage it. This is why I did not and will continue to speak out.
You have to educate yourself as best as you can. You can’t rely solely on an overworked system for every single thing. And avoid quack sites.
I also question why you keep carrying on about treatments. Covid is a viral disease. There are no cures for any viral diseases. This is something I learned years ago from reading.
For serious viral diseases, the weapons are vaccines and sequestering yourself from the virus. For a mild disease the common cold, you just have to take time off to recover.
But Covid was clearly far worse. There was no question in my mind that I would get the vaccine and sequester.Replies: @Mark G., @Mr. Anon
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htmReplies: @HA
The federal government also tried to force through national employer vaccine mandates. Thank God, the Supreme Court stopped it. Encouraged by the federal government, many states locked down. This resulted in many businesses going under. No lockdown Florida, adjusted for age distribution, had the same death rate as the lockdown states.
If you go along with evil, you only encourage it. This is why I did not and will continue to speak out.Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @res
It’s really not worth dying for (dubious) philosophical reasons. You can object to mandatory vaccination and still get yours voluntarily.
“My hunch is you’re overlooking a big chunk of that”
Based on what? I told you I save the taxpayers close to 40 thousand dollars a year by foregoing my retirement and the cost of my Covid treatment was less than one year of that. I was not there a week or more. I told you they let me go home after 4 days because the doctor said I did not look sick. I told you that two weeks later my personal doctor said my lung x-rays did not look like a typical formerly hospitalized patient and had no lung damage. That was because I was not that sick.
You are just making the same accusations over and over and expecting me to repeat myself. That is just troll behavior.
Well, there you are. You told me. Someone who -- to this day -- can't admit that people who took the vaccine don't wind up in the hospital nearly as much as those who chose to take on COVID without, and continues to insist he made the right and moral choice because of doctors getting shot and other such strawman arguments is not someone worth trusting all that much. I've also explained why your Remdesivir-for-me-not-thee routine smells fishy too -- given as it is presented with no links and no medical expertise to back it. Same goes for the very notion of someone who has no problem with taking a government salary for some 40 years complaining about how the government spends too much on other things. Yeah, you're in a position to know about government waste, and Nick Offerman was funny in Parks & Rec, but outside a sitcom, that kind of setup doesn't inspire confidence. And then there's this notion that because you didn't spend your insurance premium, you're just righteously taking back what was yours, or something to that effect, so it's no big deal. Seriously? Get real. Anyone who puts all that together and tells you it doesn't seem off has credibility issues of his own.
Same goes for your assurances of what your adventure with COVID cost us. Admittedly, hospital bills are like those billion dollar movies that never seem to make a profit to the extent they have to pay royalties to anyone. I'm not saying the charges are legit, as opposed to those "hundred dollar bottles of aspirin", but for reasons I enumerated, I don't trust your accounting either. You were "not that sick", according to you, and yet, somehow you wound up in a hospital for four days. I don't think I've ever had COVID, though at this point, I may well have, but I've certainly had bouts of cold or flu or something similar, and none came close to landing me in a hospital for four days -- so I'm telling you the story seems off, too. That doesn't mean it isn't true, but in those cases where the odds don't pan out on the track, it's the credibility of the storyteller that makes up the difference, and at the risk of repeating myself, you ran out of that a while ago.Replies: @res
You do a better job at arguing than HA. You also never engage in nasty personal attacks and I appreciate that. I imagine you are a good lawyer.
It was pretty clear that age and obesity were risk factors but every single rural hospital had people like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd8P12BXebo
I don't take any glee in what happened to them. I would have preferred them to get the vaccine.
One of our rural hospitals completely shut down over COVID. As in ZERO emergency services which meant people died because the next closet hospital was too far.Replies: @Frau Katze
That’s a depressing video. I can’t understand that mindset. As far as health news goes, I’ll take NYT even I don’t agree with them on everything politically. Diseases don’t care about your politics.
There was no politics in encouraging older people to take the vaccine. So what if it wasn’t tested for 10 years; that luxury was unavailable.
The federal government also tried to force through national employer vaccine mandates. Thank God, the Supreme Court stopped it. Encouraged by the federal government, many states locked down. This resulted in many businesses going under. No lockdown Florida, adjusted for age distribution, had the same death rate as the lockdown states.
If you go along with evil, you only encourage it. This is why I did not and will continue to speak out.Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @res
For me politics stops if my health is involved. I read sites like NYT strictly for their factual coverage of things like health.
You have to educate yourself as best as you can. You can’t rely solely on an overworked system for every single thing. And avoid quack sites.
I also question why you keep carrying on about treatments. Covid is a viral disease. There are no cures for any viral diseases. This is something I learned years ago from reading.
For serious viral diseases, the weapons are vaccines and sequestering yourself from the virus. For a mild disease the common cold, you just have to take time off to recover.
But Covid was clearly far worse. There was no question in my mind that I would get the vaccine and sequester.
You can trust the public health establishment and the medical profession (and hysterical idiots like "HA") if you want. But don't expect the rest of us to be so trusting. They don't deserve our trust.Replies: @Frau Katze
As of 2020, it was about 3.5 million people – uniformed military (including national guard and reservists) and civilians (civil service and direct in-house contractors).
And that isn’t counting the vast number of people employed by the “defense” industry in companies large and small – many of which are well known and many of which are not.
The federal government also tried to force through national employer vaccine mandates. Thank God, the Supreme Court stopped it. Encouraged by the federal government, many states locked down. This resulted in many businesses going under. No lockdown Florida, adjusted for age distribution, had the same death rate as the lockdown states.
If you go along with evil, you only encourage it. This is why I did not and will continue to speak out.Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @res
Worth considering the possibility that the difference in climate mattered. Though looking at influenza/pneumonia mortality for 2019 (I trust the pre-Covid numbers more) things aren’t that simple.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htm
For reasons I won't get into, I was never at risk for COVID, and apart from hysterical ninnies who couldn't face another needle, the world did OK with opening up again once the vaccines came aboard. If you want to screech at hysterical ninnies, deal with your own damage.
"I am sick to death of big-mouthed blowhard a**holes like you..."
Oh, yet another reason to keep posting! Maybe they'll make a vaccine to cure your... oh, wait. You're scared of those.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Because you already lived in a sterile bubble? Or perhaps you’re just a disembodied brain in a beaker. Or maybe you’re just a robot. Yeah, not a human…….that sounds about right.
And again with the tired old lie. People who objected to vaccine mandates weren’t afraid of needles, you lying prick. They didn’t object to the needle. They objected to tyranny. They objected to people like you.
And – again – why aren’t you in a trench in Ukraine, you sniveling coward?
It is true that I don't live in a sewer. Given the tone of your commentary, I can understand why you're so resentful and bitter about that, and maybe a little jealous.
"why aren’t you in a trench in Ukraine, you sniveling coward?"
Because the next time the Capitol building is stormed, someone has to stick around and safeguard our podiums from the likes of you:Replies: @Mr. Anon
Based on what? I told you I save the taxpayers close to 40 thousand dollars a year by foregoing my retirement and the cost of my Covid treatment was less than one year of that. I was not there a week or more. I told you they let me go home after 4 days because the doctor said I did not look sick. I told you that two weeks later my personal doctor said my lung x-rays did not look like a typical formerly hospitalized patient and had no lung damage. That was because I was not that sick.
You are just making the same accusations over and over and expecting me to repeat myself. That is just troll behavior.Replies: @HA
“Based on what? I told you…”
Well, there you are. You told me. Someone who — to this day — can’t admit that people who took the vaccine don’t wind up in the hospital nearly as much as those who chose to take on COVID without, and continues to insist he made the right and moral choice because of doctors getting shot and other such strawman arguments is not someone worth trusting all that much. I’ve also explained why your Remdesivir-for-me-not-thee routine smells fishy too — given as it is presented with no links and no medical expertise to back it. Same goes for the very notion of someone who has no problem with taking a government salary for some 40 years complaining about how the government spends too much on other things. Yeah, you’re in a position to know about government waste, and Nick Offerman was funny in Parks & Rec, but outside a sitcom, that kind of setup doesn’t inspire confidence. And then there’s this notion that because you didn’t spend your insurance premium, you’re just righteously taking back what was yours, or something to that effect, so it’s no big deal. Seriously? Get real. Anyone who puts all that together and tells you it doesn’t seem off has credibility issues of his own.
Same goes for your assurances of what your adventure with COVID cost us. Admittedly, hospital bills are like those billion dollar movies that never seem to make a profit to the extent they have to pay royalties to anyone. I’m not saying the charges are legit, as opposed to those “hundred dollar bottles of aspirin”, but for reasons I enumerated, I don’t trust your accounting either. You were “not that sick”, according to you, and yet, somehow you wound up in a hospital for four days. I don’t think I’ve ever had COVID, though at this point, I may well have, but I’ve certainly had bouts of cold or flu or something similar, and none came close to landing me in a hospital for four days — so I’m telling you the story seems off, too. That doesn’t mean it isn’t true, but in those cases where the odds don’t pan out on the track, it’s the credibility of the storyteller that makes up the difference, and at the risk of repeating myself, you ran out of that a while ago.
Well, there you are. You told me. Someone who -- to this day -- can't admit that people who took the vaccine don't wind up in the hospital nearly as much as those who chose to take on COVID without, and continues to insist he made the right and moral choice because of doctors getting shot and other such strawman arguments is not someone worth trusting all that much. I've also explained why your Remdesivir-for-me-not-thee routine smells fishy too -- given as it is presented with no links and no medical expertise to back it. Same goes for the very notion of someone who has no problem with taking a government salary for some 40 years complaining about how the government spends too much on other things. Yeah, you're in a position to know about government waste, and Nick Offerman was funny in Parks & Rec, but outside a sitcom, that kind of setup doesn't inspire confidence. And then there's this notion that because you didn't spend your insurance premium, you're just righteously taking back what was yours, or something to that effect, so it's no big deal. Seriously? Get real. Anyone who puts all that together and tells you it doesn't seem off has credibility issues of his own.
Same goes for your assurances of what your adventure with COVID cost us. Admittedly, hospital bills are like those billion dollar movies that never seem to make a profit to the extent they have to pay royalties to anyone. I'm not saying the charges are legit, as opposed to those "hundred dollar bottles of aspirin", but for reasons I enumerated, I don't trust your accounting either. You were "not that sick", according to you, and yet, somehow you wound up in a hospital for four days. I don't think I've ever had COVID, though at this point, I may well have, but I've certainly had bouts of cold or flu or something similar, and none came close to landing me in a hospital for four days -- so I'm telling you the story seems off, too. That doesn't mean it isn't true, but in those cases where the odds don't pan out on the track, it's the credibility of the storyteller that makes up the difference, and at the risk of repeating myself, you ran out of that a while ago.Replies: @res
One of my heuristics for estimating how much people lie is to look at how often they assume others are lying. I find it useful.
People who trust others do so because they don't lie themselves, etc.
“nasty personal attacks”
Oh, give me a break. This from someone who repeatedly demands I affirm that I’m not “part of the Zelensky administration”, and that I would not “government agents shooting and killing doctors”. You’re slapping “thanks” and “agree” on the comments of those who call me, let’s see “dishonest a**hole”., and full of s**t and hysterical-idiot. Don’t get me wrong — I have no problem with that. At this point, I’d be more worried if you agreed with me, and some of the outrages I’ve managed to trigger among the various truthers are just plain comedy gold.
But that being the case, don’t cry to me about how I’m the one leveling personal attacks. The fact that you seriously believe I’m the one leading the charge in that respect is yet more evidence of why I don’t buy much of anything else you have to say.
Admittedly, your repeated forays into public health discourse, as if your playing with COVID fire and getting burned somehow makes you more qualified to speak on such matters, is a case of Dunning-Kruger. But if you don’t like me repeatedly pointing that out, and how ridiculous it makes you look, reflect on the fact that you were the one who repeatedly brought it up, and remain totally oblivious to how farcical that makes you.
Jews generate “anti-semitism” in order to prevent assimilation.
“One of my heuristics for estimating how much people lie is to look at how often they assume others are lying.”
Not that I care all that much for your heuristics, but I didn’t use the word lying. It’s just as possible — given what I just said about Mark G assuming his personal escapades into COVID risk management give him some aura of expertise about what others need to be doing — that he simply doesn’t get things that plenty of others would consider comically obvious. Hypocritical? Yeah, I’ve called him that. Dunning-Kruger case? That, too. But there are plenty of ways for someone who isn’t a liar to simply not get it, and to therefore be simply incapable of telling the whole the story.
That being the case, what are your heuristics regarding those who twist an abundantly-sourced rationale for believing that something is off about a given narrative into a blatant accusation that someone must therefore be lying, as if the latter were the only possible conclusion in light of the former?
My guess is, as weaselly as that is, it gets a pass from you, given how often you engage in it (e.g., the one about how I *must* be implying that vaccines are 100% effective, etc.). And that says far more about you than it does about me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_ManReplies: @JohnnyWalker123
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htmReplies: @HA
“Worth considering the possibility that the difference in climate mattered.”
There are plenty of other things about Florida that Mark G omits. It’s kind of a thing with him (whatever lame heuristic of yours that observation happens to trigger). Though, with regard to Florida, as far as I can remember, I’ve never criticized Florida or Texas or said that every state of every kind of climate and population density has to approach COVID in the same way.
I’m not saying I agree with all the stuff in this article, given not just the different parameters I mentioned (and ranking lockdown severity without controlling for them), but also the implicit what-ifs about what might have happened with a different approach. Still, it’s a useful corrective for those who cherry-pick only the things they like about Florida (or Sweden, or anywhere else). Here’s just a few of their observations:
You can't just look at death rates. You also need to look at the economic and other effects of the lockdowns. People did this overall cost/ benefit analysis at the individual level which is why so many people moved to Florida and out of California during the lockdown and after the lockdown when the negative effects of the lockdown were still being felt.Replies: @HA, @John Johnson
You have to educate yourself as best as you can. You can’t rely solely on an overworked system for every single thing. And avoid quack sites.
I also question why you keep carrying on about treatments. Covid is a viral disease. There are no cures for any viral diseases. This is something I learned years ago from reading.
For serious viral diseases, the weapons are vaccines and sequestering yourself from the virus. For a mild disease the common cold, you just have to take time off to recover.
But Covid was clearly far worse. There was no question in my mind that I would get the vaccine and sequester.Replies: @Mark G., @Mr. Anon
I have no problem whatsoever with you getting the vaccine. You don’t have to defend your decision to me.
California had harsher lockdowns than Florida. According to a September 2023 Seattle Times story, a Lancet study found that if you adjust for age and health characteristics the two states had about the same death rates.
You can’t just look at death rates. You also need to look at the economic and other effects of the lockdowns. People did this overall cost/ benefit analysis at the individual level which is why so many people moved to Florida and out of California during the lockdown and after the lockdown when the negative effects of the lockdown were still being felt.
And higher barrio/slum densities "particularly in Los Angeles County, where more homes are overcrowded than in any other large U.S. county, according to a Times analysis of census data published last year." Like I said, different population densities may well lead to different COVID policies.
Moreover, according to the same article "Florida's status as a state with one of the oldest populations in the country might have, counterintuitively, prevented the coronavirus from spreading as quickly in the pre-vaccine era. Many of Florida's seniors may have strictly avoided gatherings during that first winter while younger, restriction-weary Californians could have been more apt to travel, socialize and potentially pass the virus to more vulnerable family members."
" if you adjust for age and health characteristics the two states had about the same death rates."
About the same? Any time you start using language like that, it makes me want to find out why. Is it because of this?"You can’t just look at death rates."
Of course not -- there's also the importance of attending the Lunar New Year festival. We can't very well forget that, can we?
Death rates were far from the only things considered when hammering out a COVID response. But given that they were literally matters of life and death, they were oftentimes given higher priority than the universal human right not to have to put on a mask at Costco.Replies: @Mark G.
They aren't going to work if everyone goes to a house party instead of a bar. That is what everyone did in my area. In fact I know someone who ended up in a coma after going to a football party. He didn't hit any of the risk factors but had poor luck of the dice. His lungs are most likely permanently damaged.
There was a combination of the lockdowns being poorly thought out and also not followed. I was against closing the bars if everyone was going to house parties instead. In fact I think there were strong arguments for letting 20-30 year olds get it while keeping them away from seniors. I was strongly against destroying businesses for a plan that had major holes.
California certainly went too far with the lockdowns and Newsom was a complete idiot during it all. But making direct comparisons to Florida is problematic. LA is a very dense city and they don't have many outdoor public spaces. They spend a lot of time indoors and in their cars. The working poor of LA have very few options. There is the beach but it can be packed and take hell to get there. Florida has beaches on both sides and far more public parks. If a beach is full you can just drive further north or south. It might as well be a different country.Replies: @Art Deco, @Colin Wright
You can't just look at death rates. You also need to look at the economic and other effects of the lockdowns. People did this overall cost/ benefit analysis at the individual level which is why so many people moved to Florida and out of California during the lockdown and after the lockdown when the negative effects of the lockdown were still being felt.Replies: @HA, @John Johnson
“California had harsher lockdowns than Florida.”
And higher barrio/slum densities “particularly in Los Angeles County, where more homes are overcrowded than in any other large U.S. county, according to a Times analysis of census data published last year.” Like I said, different population densities may well lead to different COVID policies.
Moreover, according to the same article “Florida’s status as a state with one of the oldest populations in the country might have, counterintuitively, prevented the coronavirus from spreading as quickly in the pre-vaccine era. Many of Florida’s seniors may have strictly avoided gatherings during that first winter while younger, restriction-weary Californians could have been more apt to travel, socialize and potentially pass the virus to more vulnerable family members.”
” if you adjust for age and health characteristics the two states had about the same death rates.”
About the same? Any time you start using language like that, it makes me want to find out why. Is it because of this?
“You can’t just look at death rates.”
Of course not — there’s also the importance of attending the Lunar New Year festival. We can’t very well forget that, can we?
Death rates were far from the only things considered when hammering out a COVID response. But given that they were literally matters of life and death, they were oftentimes given higher priority than the universal human right not to have to put on a mask at Costco.
And that isn't counting the vast number of people employed by the "defense" industry in companies large and small - many of which are well known and many of which are not.Replies: @Art Deco
I think that’s the figure for total federal employment.
And higher barrio/slum densities "particularly in Los Angeles County, where more homes are overcrowded than in any other large U.S. county, according to a Times analysis of census data published last year." Like I said, different population densities may well lead to different COVID policies.
Moreover, according to the same article "Florida's status as a state with one of the oldest populations in the country might have, counterintuitively, prevented the coronavirus from spreading as quickly in the pre-vaccine era. Many of Florida's seniors may have strictly avoided gatherings during that first winter while younger, restriction-weary Californians could have been more apt to travel, socialize and potentially pass the virus to more vulnerable family members."
" if you adjust for age and health characteristics the two states had about the same death rates."
About the same? Any time you start using language like that, it makes me want to find out why. Is it because of this?"You can’t just look at death rates."
Of course not -- there's also the importance of attending the Lunar New Year festival. We can't very well forget that, can we?
Death rates were far from the only things considered when hammering out a COVID response. But given that they were literally matters of life and death, they were oftentimes given higher priority than the universal human right not to have to put on a mask at Costco.Replies: @Mark G.
The general public made their own decisions on the relative merits of the California versus Florida approach. They voted with their feet and left one state and moved to another. Unfortunately for lockdown supporters like you, it was not possible to shoot people as they moved out of California.
“Because you already lived in a sterile bubble?”
It is true that I don’t live in a sewer. Given the tone of your commentary, I can understand why you’re so resentful and bitter about that, and maybe a little jealous.
“why aren’t you in a trench in Ukraine, you sniveling coward?”
Because the next time the Capitol building is stormed, someone has to stick around and safeguard our podiums from the likes of you:
Your tough guy schtick is as lame as your smart guy schtick. And, again, since you feel so strongly about Ukraine, why don't you go there and fight yourself, you sniveling cowardly a**hole.
“I am also not fat. I am 15 pounds below the average weight for someone my age.”
Oh yeah, and with regard to “15 pounds below the average weight for someone my age”, don’t kid yourself — unless you’re Sailer’s height, that’s still chunky, if you’re going by American averages, which are currently about 198 lbs. In contrast, Europeans are about 40 lbs lighter; Africans, about 60 lbs (though both are significantly shorter; in the case of, say, Germany, men are about the same weight as Americans — actually a few pounds lighter — and they’re about 2 inches taller on average).
The reason I strongly suspected you had passed “svelte” some time ago (apart from your repeated appeals about how the country needs to trim the fat economically in matters that don’t much involve you, which always seemed suspiciously like projection) was the simple fact that if you don’t have diabetes or asthma or something like that, you’re very rarely going to wind up in the hospital from a case of COVID, even at your age, unless you’re bringing along a heaping portion of badonkadonk to that hospital bed. So I’m guessing that either you’e glossing over something with regard to “comorbidities” when you say you haven’t used up much in the way of premiums, or else your idea of “not fat” is somewaht generous.
That being said, that was always a matter of guesswork and probabilities, as I stipulated, so don’t get too bent out of shape (so to speak — maybe save that for a Pilates class).
If you also have a goatee, then congratulations, you’re even more of a cliché. That and a Facebook profile full of selfies featuring a MAGA hat was the trifecta for a surprising number of white dudes in your age cohort who muttered about COVID being a nothingburger and then wound up dangerously close to a respirator.
“The general public made their own decisions on the relative merits of the California versus Florida approach. They voted with their feet and left one state and moved to another.”
Again with the cherry-picking and the confirmation bias. There’s a whole lot of reasons to leave California that have nothing much to do with COVID. My guess is that the people in Napa valley like it just fine; those in Compton and East LA, maybe not so much. Moreover,
If you look at all interstate migration between 2020 and 2022, Florida added 563,000 residents in net domestic migration while California lost 802,000 residents.Replies: @HA
Here, I'll save you some trouble.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/florida-migration-newsom-desantis-18512580.phpBack to you. Oh the projection.Replies: @Mark G., @HA
A December 12, 2023 City Journal article said that is just another Newsom whopper. Based on 2020 to 2022 census data, 66 percent more people moved from California to Florida than the other way around.
If you look at all interstate migration between 2020 and 2022, Florida added 563,000 residents in net domestic migration while California lost 802,000 residents.
And again with the tired old lie. People who objected to vaccine mandates weren’t afraid of needles, you lying prick. They didn’t object to the needle. They objected to tyranny. They objected to people like you.
It’s definitely a factor for some of them. Of course we can’t expect them to admit it nor is it something that could be polled: Are you fighting against tyranny or are you afraid of needles?
It’s one of those issues where people will delude themselves. Shots creep out some adults. It’s a fact of life.
I knew someone who gave shots during COVID and it was a daily issue. They always had someone that had to work themselves up to getting a shot. Or a husband or wife lamented how the other was scared of needles. In fact they had people flat out tell them that they weren’t going to get a third shot because they thought two would be it. They hated needles and didn’t want to do it again.
The funny thing is that they had no idea as to who would pass out or get scared at the last minute. A little girl might shrug while some big biker dude would pass out. Imagine a 6’5 biker slowly passing out on a tiny Asian woman. But passing out was at least not a daily occurrence. The only group that could consistently get the shot without wincing was the military. They are used to getting all kinds of shots. The retired were also pretty reliable. The ones that showed up were used to getting a flu shot. Teachers were also given high marks for the same reason. Medical workers and teachers catch everything.
You can't just look at death rates. You also need to look at the economic and other effects of the lockdowns. People did this overall cost/ benefit analysis at the individual level which is why so many people moved to Florida and out of California during the lockdown and after the lockdown when the negative effects of the lockdown were still being felt.Replies: @HA, @John Johnson
The main problem with the lockdowns is that they were ignored.
They aren’t going to work if everyone goes to a house party instead of a bar. That is what everyone did in my area. In fact I know someone who ended up in a coma after going to a football party. He didn’t hit any of the risk factors but had poor luck of the dice. His lungs are most likely permanently damaged.
There was a combination of the lockdowns being poorly thought out and also not followed. I was against closing the bars if everyone was going to house parties instead. In fact I think there were strong arguments for letting 20-30 year olds get it while keeping them away from seniors. I was strongly against destroying businesses for a plan that had major holes.
California certainly went too far with the lockdowns and Newsom was a complete idiot during it all. But making direct comparisons to Florida is problematic. LA is a very dense city and they don’t have many outdoor public spaces. They spend a lot of time indoors and in their cars. The working poor of LA have very few options. There is the beach but it can be packed and take hell to get there. Florida has beaches on both sides and far more public parks. If a beach is full you can just drive further north or south. It might as well be a different country.
They aren't going to work if everyone goes to a house party instead of a bar. That is what everyone did in my area. In fact I know someone who ended up in a coma after going to a football party. He didn't hit any of the risk factors but had poor luck of the dice. His lungs are most likely permanently damaged.
There was a combination of the lockdowns being poorly thought out and also not followed. I was against closing the bars if everyone was going to house parties instead. In fact I think there were strong arguments for letting 20-30 year olds get it while keeping them away from seniors. I was strongly against destroying businesses for a plan that had major holes.
California certainly went too far with the lockdowns and Newsom was a complete idiot during it all. But making direct comparisons to Florida is problematic. LA is a very dense city and they don't have many outdoor public spaces. They spend a lot of time indoors and in their cars. The working poor of LA have very few options. There is the beach but it can be packed and take hell to get there. Florida has beaches on both sides and far more public parks. If a beach is full you can just drive further north or south. It might as well be a different country.Replies: @Art Deco, @Colin Wright
The main problem with lockdowns is that they applied to people who were not in mortal danger.
If you look at all interstate migration between 2020 and 2022, Florida added 563,000 residents in net domestic migration while California lost 802,000 residents.Replies: @HA
“A December 12, 2023 City Journal article…”
How about learning how to include a link? Is that really outside your skill set, Mr. 40-years-in-government?
Then again, having looked up the article, it’s evident it is a tissue of tendentious idiocy, so it’s no wonder you favor it (and didn’t want to make it any easier for people to actually see what you’re referring to).
Really? “More” can’t possibly be applied to per capita comparisons? Because…there’s some fundamental law of statistics relating to that, or else, because this guy says so in order to grasp at any straw? I’m going with B. Moreover, he seriously thinks that there’s no need to account for California’s higher population in any of this? Yeah, right. That tells me all I need to know about you and him, and who’s telling the whoppers around here, but I’ll go on to note weaselly phrases like “Newsom’s per-capita adjustments would suggest that the state is bursting at the seams”, which is, at best, arguable, and tells me less about what Newsom would suggest than it does about the straw man this guy is trying to build. Because, hey, the only possible alternative to whatever he thinks Newsom is arguing against is the “suggestion” that California is “bursting at the seams”, a statement that is all the more idiotic when one considers that any area that is bursting at the seams is ipso facto an area a lot of people would prefer to leave for that very reason — and California is no exception, regardless of COVID.
Does any of that really need explaining, even to you? It’s as if you’ll swallow anything at this point — you’re just that desperate.
Note the “per capita” bit. CA population (39 million) is 1.7x the size of Florida’s population (23 million). Maybe you could do the math to calculate the net migration between the states? Or do you need me to do it?
Here, I’ll save you some trouble.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/florida-migration-newsom-desantis-18512580.php
Back to you. Oh the projection.
HA couldn't even do the math showing I save the taxpayers almost 40 thousand dollars a year by not retiring from my military job. I had to do it for him and then show it to him.
Most people would consider someone who works for the military while saving the taxpayers that much money to be an asset to this country. The exception would be anarchists who want to abolish the government, including the military.Replies: @HA
In a September 2023 Meet the Press interview, Gavin Newsom said criticism of California’s tough Covid restrictions was valid and he would have taken an entirely different approach, given what he knows now about the pandemic. “I think we would have done everything differently,” said Newsom.
Why is it that you never provide an actual link? Trying to fend off people finding out the rest of what was said?Like I said, different climates and different densities may well call for different approaches and I have no problem with that. When an area is "bursting at the seams", to revisit that earlier lame argument, the COVID response is going to be far more restrictive than rustic or suburban areas, which means that during a pandemic, lots of people are going to ditch the high-rise crammed living arrangements and big city bustle and light out for places where detached homes with no elevators in areas without much public transportation. It doesn't mean your side deserves a cookie (especially in your case, given what I said about you maybe needing to cut down on those).
And I have no doubt that like generals, the next generation of public health experts will continue to fight past battles. That's still a lot better than listening to Facebook medicine practiced by cherry-picking anti-vaxxers who are too dumb or to weaselly to even provide html links.
And I'm not here to defend Newsom or attack DeSantis, but to the extent that Newsom is willing to learn from 20/20 hindsight, good for him. Again, he's a lot better than the just-a-flu bros who even a million dead still pretend they were right about everything all along (except of course those "eye-catching spikes", but they obviously don't matter for some reason). Actually, New sounds a lot like this guy:
How come you never mention Sweden much these days? You used to be, like, obsessed with them. Oh yeah, it's because you're all about cherry-picking and confirmation bias, which means shoving everything that didn't go your way down the memory hole.
Here, I'll save you some trouble.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/florida-migration-newsom-desantis-18512580.phpBack to you. Oh the projection.Replies: @Mark G., @HA
“Maybe you could do the math”
HA couldn’t even do the math showing I save the taxpayers almost 40 thousand dollars a year by not retiring from my military job. I had to do it for him and then show it to him.
Most people would consider someone who works for the military while saving the taxpayers that much money to be an asset to this country. The exception would be anarchists who want to abolish the government, including the military.
The main problem with lockdowns is that they applied to people who were not in mortal danger.
I think the short term lockdowns for everyone made sense when the hospitals were overloaded. But overall they were a failure on many levels. People got sick of them and you can’t force Americans to not socialize with each other. This isn’t China.
But policies like banning outdoor eating was so stupid to where it was most likely counter-productive. Who knows how many couples got together for dinner parties indoors because they couldn’t eat out. On July 4th it was clear that everyone was ignoring the rules. The Democrats couldn’t admit it to themselves and the Republicans were mostly pussies as usual. I’ll definitely give DeSantis credit for calling out failed policies and not being afraid to adopt his own.
Even worse was when they were promoting lockdowns and masks after Omicron was out. I was of the opinion to let it rip and replace the original. Historically that is how viruses become less lethal and yet I had liberals absolutely freak out over the suggestion. They were certain I was a MAGA anti-vaxxer and yet on Unz I was accused of being a pro-vaccine agent.
It was all an exercise in showing that both parties are completely worthless and prefer group affirmation to critical thinking. If something like Black Death comes along then we are all fucked.
Lockdowns for everyone not only did not make sense, they were wrong. Legally wrong. Morally wrong.
Allowing doctors or public health officials to issue edicts is every bit as crazy as allowing the police to do so. The doctor-state is no better than the police-state.
“said criticism of California’s tough Covid restrictions was valid and he would have taken an entirely different approach”
Why is it that you never provide an actual link? Trying to fend off people finding out the rest of what was said?
Like I said, different climates and different densities may well call for different approaches and I have no problem with that. When an area is “bursting at the seams”, to revisit that earlier lame argument, the COVID response is going to be far more restrictive than rustic or suburban areas, which means that during a pandemic, lots of people are going to ditch the high-rise crammed living arrangements and big city bustle and light out for places where detached homes with no elevators in areas without much public transportation. It doesn’t mean your side deserves a cookie (especially in your case, given what I said about you maybe needing to cut down on those).
And I have no doubt that like generals, the next generation of public health experts will continue to fight past battles. That’s still a lot better than listening to Facebook medicine practiced by cherry-picking anti-vaxxers who are too dumb or to weaselly to even provide html links.
And I’m not here to defend Newsom or attack DeSantis, but to the extent that Newsom is willing to learn from 20/20 hindsight, good for him. Again, he’s a lot better than the just-a-flu bros who even a million dead still pretend they were right about everything all along (except of course those “eye-catching spikes”, but they obviously don’t matter for some reason). Actually, New sounds a lot like this guy:
How come you never mention Sweden much these days? You used to be, like, obsessed with them. Oh yeah, it’s because you’re all about cherry-picking and confirmation bias, which means shoving everything that didn’t go your way down the memory hole.
HA couldn't even do the math showing I save the taxpayers almost 40 thousand dollars a year by not retiring from my military job. I had to do it for him and then show it to him.
Most people would consider someone who works for the military while saving the taxpayers that much money to be an asset to this country. The exception would be anarchists who want to abolish the government, including the military.Replies: @HA
“HA couldn’t even do the math showing I save the taxpayers almost 40 thousand dollars a year by not retiring from my military job.”
Without knowing what your fat bloated pension was relative to your paycheck or how it varies depending on how long you worked? Of course, I couldn’t. What, you want me to apologize? You’re already whining about how I make too many assumptions, and now you think I should be making more? Seriously, do you even read what you write?
If you want to cut federal spending, try haranguing us about the ridiculous bonuses that government stooges get and how that needs to be trimmed way down, but I’m guessing in that case, you’re gonna say, no, we should wait until you shuffle off this mortal coil because we don’t ever want to go back on our historic commitments in any way or do anything that would endanger the elderly among us. Hmm. Funny how that works.
And face it, in the next few years, the government is going to find a way to hire 10 qualified people who will be able to do the work that it supposedly took 30 dim-witted drones to do before — I’m talking the kind of drones who think even an html link is way too fancy-schmancy — which means they’re going to fire people like you and not have to replace them, which is what I was actually advocating. Even if the people they replace you with are making more, they’ll still be a better bang for the buck even with your pension. But again, I’m not anticipating you whining about that day coming anytime soon.
Here, I'll save you some trouble.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/florida-migration-newsom-desantis-18512580.phpBack to you. Oh the projection.Replies: @Mark G., @HA
“Note the ‘per capita’ bit. CA population (39 million) is 1.7x the size of Florida’s population (23 million). Maybe you could do the math to calculate the net migration between the states? Or do you need me to do it?”
Um, OK? I’m not sure where you think my math is off, to the extent I myself calculated anything, but I guess that’s what comes from me not being in that elevated math level you fancy yourself dwelling in. And “note the per capita bit”? Wasn’t that what my citation directly mentioned?
Moreover, maybe you could figure out the confidence intervals and margins of error on all those census numbers and how they bounce around in any given year, including the confidence interval around the difference of two notably larger numbers. To the extent you disagree with both or either of what the Penn State statistician or the Florida International economist in that earlier comment, who both “calculated Census data and got the same results” but disagree on whether they were statistically significant (there’s that margin of error again), that might be more relevant, since who was right about that was kind of left unanswered. My guess is, you won’t. That kind of thing actually takes hard work, and knowing how those errors correlate over time, whereas slapping “LOL” on a comment and lame “rubber-glue” arguments to the effect of “no, YOU’RE the one who’s projecting” is generally the best you can do by way of counter-argument. That’s not as impressive as you seem to think it is, but I doubt that’ll stop you.
You really aren't very good at mathematical arguments. Are you?If you were paying attention you might have noticed I intersperse that sort of thing with more numerical arguments. As I did in the very comment you were replying to there. That you are only able to respond to the lame bits is your problem.
FWIW, LOL roughly equates to "too ridiculous to be worth spending time responding" though I do think it is good policy to prove I really can respond from time to time. Hence comments like this one. It really isn't that hard for me to do so. More projection?Replies: @HA
“the ridiculous bonuses that government stooges get”
I know this should go without saying, but given the level of the people I’m dealing with, let me stipulate that I of course meant fat bloated “pensions”, not fat bloated “bonuses” since I doubt Mark G will be complaining about the former.
Hopefully any remaining typos or omissions I inevitably wind up making when I crunch out these replies will be even easier to suss out than that one was, but I guess one can never be sure.
My fat bloated pension is zero dollars a year, since I don't collect it.Replies: @HA
Indeed. My variation on that is that whenever somebody manages to totally screw me over by surprise, it’s because they do something it would never even occur to me to do to somebody else.
People who trust others do so because they don’t lie themselves, etc.
They aren't going to work if everyone goes to a house party instead of a bar. That is what everyone did in my area. In fact I know someone who ended up in a coma after going to a football party. He didn't hit any of the risk factors but had poor luck of the dice. His lungs are most likely permanently damaged.
There was a combination of the lockdowns being poorly thought out and also not followed. I was against closing the bars if everyone was going to house parties instead. In fact I think there were strong arguments for letting 20-30 year olds get it while keeping them away from seniors. I was strongly against destroying businesses for a plan that had major holes.
California certainly went too far with the lockdowns and Newsom was a complete idiot during it all. But making direct comparisons to Florida is problematic. LA is a very dense city and they don't have many outdoor public spaces. They spend a lot of time indoors and in their cars. The working poor of LA have very few options. There is the beach but it can be packed and take hell to get there. Florida has beaches on both sides and far more public parks. If a beach is full you can just drive further north or south. It might as well be a different country.Replies: @Art Deco, @Colin Wright
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There have been shows about coyotes living in the middle of Los Angeles. I have seen people riding horses down rustic arroyos — between two freeways. Etc.
It’s a very undense city. There’s a reason you’re totally screwed without a car there. You have to drive two miles to do your goddamned laundry.
Hear hear. The only way we had it over the fourteenth century was that the virus itself was only a modest problem.
It is true that I don't live in a sewer. Given the tone of your commentary, I can understand why you're so resentful and bitter about that, and maybe a little jealous.
"why aren’t you in a trench in Ukraine, you sniveling coward?"
Because the next time the Capitol building is stormed, someone has to stick around and safeguard our podiums from the likes of you:Replies: @Mr. Anon
So are you a Capitol policeman then? Shoot any women recently.
Your tough guy schtick is as lame as your smart guy schtick. And, again, since you feel so strongly about Ukraine, why don’t you go there and fight yourself, you sniveling cowardly a**hole.
No it isn’t. That’s a load of crap.
Of course, prior to Trump, it was clear that the self-immolation of National Review was only a matter of time: they ran editorials by Jason Lee Steorts endorsing ‘gay marriage’ around the 2011-2015 time frame.
NR was quick to clarify that this was not their official editorial line on sodomy, but recall that when John Derbyshire dissented from NR‘s official line on race in 2012 (and this in an article that wasn’t even for NR), he was summarily dismissed.
So in other words, if you write common sense suggestions for how to deal with blacks, that’s beyond the pale, but if you write that sodomitical relationships deserve to be treated equally to marriages, that’s just open, vigorous debate.
But hey, I’m sure they’ve held the line against increased capital gains taxes!
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BTW, Steorts has been managing editor since 2004, since he was about 23 years old. Lowry permitted him to run Mark Steyn off the contributors list because Steorts had his nose out of joint when Steyn quoted a joke once told by Dean Martin. The joke was 'How do you make a fruit cordial? A. 'Be nice to him'. Did you catch who is the publisher of NR? It is one Garrett Bewkes, who is a practitioner of homosexual pseudogamy. Whoever actually controls NR eventually replaced the multidirectional placator Lowry with Ramesh Ponnuru and the libertarianish Charles Cooke with Philip Klein. Both Ponnuru and Klein are notable for an inveterate hostility to Trump. And here's Kathryn Jean Lopez on country music (https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/07/jason-aldean-isnt-helping/).Replies: @Ian M.
I see that HA is still peddling the same old lies about the lockdowns that he peddled here three years ago. He’s a piece of rancid garbage.
My comment was in moderation for a while, but by a stroke of luck ended up perfectly timed to rebut your childish reasoning.
Source: GAO. Try to lose your anal fixation, your arguments will smell less.
Read today’s editorial section in the WSJ, it directly brings up the fact that net interest on debt will be higher than defense spending as soon as next year and will be 55 percent higher than defense spending within 6 years. The only half witted misdirection comes from HA in his mommy’s basement, if you want to throw a tantrum, write to the editors at the WSJ whose editorial addressed the same issue. You won’t be published until you learn how to reason and how to write.
Lastly, I didn’t mention Ukraine which only costs us perhaps max seven to ten percent of defense outlays…it may well be that dispassionate analysis will show that we should spend even more, not less, on defending Ukraine. Let’s have that analysis…..for all that I know, Rand Corp has already done it.
In the end, just as the WSJ explained today, net interest on debt is frightening (perhaps not to innumerate children in their mommy’s basement) , it will quickly rise to 1.5 trillion….and eventually it will be bigger than any mandatory outlay. You are a deeply unserious twit.
Exactly. You did not calculate anything. Which is pretty typical for you. Hence my skepticism about your ability (or willingness, hard to tell which) to do math.
It was. Yet you failed to note the implication. Hence “note…”
Not sure which two larger numbers you mean? The net migration number is 77% of the FL to CA number. So the two migration numbers are not what I would call notably larger than the net migration.
What you don’t seem to realize is they were talking about the rates per 1,000 (1.16 per 1,000 vs. 0.96). Those numbers could be identical but the very different populations would mean the net migration is still heavily from CA to FL.
You really aren’t very good at mathematical arguments. Are you?
If you were paying attention you might have noticed I intersperse that sort of thing with more numerical arguments. As I did in the very comment you were replying to there. That you are only able to respond to the lame bits is your problem.
FWIW, LOL roughly equates to “too ridiculous to be worth spending time responding” though I do think it is good policy to prove I really can respond from time to time. Hence comments like this one. It really isn’t that hard for me to do so. More projection?
You really aren't very good at mathematical arguments. Are you?If you were paying attention you might have noticed I intersperse that sort of thing with more numerical arguments. As I did in the very comment you were replying to there. That you are only able to respond to the lame bits is your problem.
FWIW, LOL roughly equates to "too ridiculous to be worth spending time responding" though I do think it is good policy to prove I really can respond from time to time. Hence comments like this one. It really isn't that hard for me to do so. More projection?Replies: @HA
“Exactly. You did not calculate anything.”
No, still not sure what’s your point. The two numbers being subtracted in the PolitiFact story I dug up were not provided, and the CityJournal debunking article didn’t dispute them, and yet, you’re still disappointed in some way that I didn’t subtract two unknowns to get an amount that no one — neither the statistician, nor the economist, nor the so-called debunker — is disputing? This is your big gotcha? You’ve concluded from that that I’m unable to subtract?
I tell you what: just this once, just for you, I’ll make a special deal. Give me any two numbers — and just so you don’t max out my RAM or something, let’s stipulate that their real and imaginary components must be integers and their absolute values are less than 1000, just to keep it simple (because, hey, we don’t want to overwhelm me, right? For all you know, this is the first time I’ve ever tried anything like this) — and I’ll go through the laborious effort of subtracting them. I’m not exactly sure how I’ll do it at this. point. Maybe I’ll look it up on Google, or go through a couple of Youtube videos and see if I can get the hang of it.
Does that sound good? I got me a 2 liter jug of Mountain Dew and whole bottle of Adderall ready, just in case I need to pull an all-niter to get this done, but I’m willing to give it a shot. Because I simply cannot bear the thought of you thinking I can’t subtract — it’s just gonna eat away at me till my last day.
“Those numbers could be identical but the very different populations would mean the net migration is still heavily from CA to FL.”
Yes, that’s often how per capita works. Is that really hard to understand? You haven’t listened to the countless discussions on this site regarding whether blacks are more likely to commit murders than whites or something similar? See, even if TinyDuck should pipe up during one of those to claim that, akshully, there are more white murderers than black ones in a given state, so that the white-black differential is positive, I guarantee someone will step and give poor TinyDuck an eye-roll and proceed to mansplain to him how “per-capita” works. Is that what you want me to do for you now?
OK, here goes: If 50% of the population of Wyoming wants to move to California, and only 5% of Californians want to move to Wyoming, I’d say a lot more of Wyoming on a per capita basis prefers California than the converse, regardless of the fact that more Californians are going to wind up switching states at the end of moving day than Wyomingites. Likewise, if the governor of Wyoming has approval ratings of 100%, and the governor of California has approval ratings of 5%, I’d say that Wyoming governor is far more popular than the governor of California even though the governor of California would still have more votes for him in his election than the Wyoming governor.
There, was that really so hard? Should we add that one to Hilbert’s 23 problems? Who knows, if I’m the first to have picked up on this, maybe I can get a Fields medal out of it.
“FWIW, LOL roughly equates to ‘too ridiculous to be worth spending time responding’”
Yeah, sure. If that were remotely true, you would have come up with something less pathetic than this last go-around, but hey, maybe you can stump me with that subtraction rigamarole and thereby clean up on the spare.
Net migration is much easier to understand. And I would argue the relevant number (e.g. consider a steady state where net migration is zero everywhere, the per capita numbers would be very different; don't expect you to understand this, but that is what real mathematical reasoning looks like). Especially in terms of impact on both groups (e.g. consider a relatively small 5% of CA's population, 1.95e6, overwhelming WY with it's population of 0.579e6).
P.S. Do you have anything other than FUD and ad hominems? That gets boring very quickly.Replies: @HA
You have to educate yourself as best as you can. You can’t rely solely on an overworked system for every single thing. And avoid quack sites.
I also question why you keep carrying on about treatments. Covid is a viral disease. There are no cures for any viral diseases. This is something I learned years ago from reading.
For serious viral diseases, the weapons are vaccines and sequestering yourself from the virus. For a mild disease the common cold, you just have to take time off to recover.
But Covid was clearly far worse. There was no question in my mind that I would get the vaccine and sequester.Replies: @Mark G., @Mr. Anon
What if their “factual” coverage is wrong?
Perhaps you should tell that to Pfizer and Merck, both of whom tout a “cure” for COVID. There are no cures for anything. There are treatments which work, or don’t, to varying degrees.
In the aggregate COVID was not far worse. It was worse for certain groups of people. The degree to which it was worse is unknown because the freakout surrounding it probably killed a lot of the people who were claimed to have been killed by the disease itself.
You can trust the public health establishment and the medical profession (and hysterical idiots like “HA”) if you want. But don’t expect the rest of us to be so trusting. They don’t deserve our trust.
As for Covid cures I’ve only heard of “treatments.”I was replying to Mark G. Since both of us are over 65 I didn’t bother adding that the risk to younger people is much lower.
Sometimes you need to read the conversation before you start attacking someone. I think I’m quite reasonable, not favouring forced vaccinations or other coercive measures.Replies: @Mr. Anon
NR was quick to clarify that this was not their official editorial line on sodomy, but recall that when John Derbyshire dissented from NR's official line on race in 2012 (and this in an article that wasn't even for NR), he was summarily dismissed.
So in other words, if you write common sense suggestions for how to deal with blacks, that's beyond the pale, but if you write that sodomitical relationships deserve to be treated equally to marriages, that's just open, vigorous debate.
But hey, I'm sure they've held the line against increased capital gains taxes!Replies: @Art Deco
It should be noted that Derbyshire in 2006 placed in the New English Review a vitriolic attack on a book written by one of NR‘s salaried editors. That did not get him cut from the contributors list. What got him cut was making utterances mildly disrespectful of blacks (which, however, mapped in a rough-and-ready way to actual human relations in the inner city, though not the sort of things you see day-by-day). Taking a flame thrower to opponents of abortion was fine with Richard Lowry. Saying public gatherings with large numbers of blacks present are those you should prudently avoid was not.
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BTW, Steorts has been managing editor since 2004, since he was about 23 years old. Lowry permitted him to run Mark Steyn off the contributors list because Steorts had his nose out of joint when Steyn quoted a joke once told by Dean Martin. The joke was ‘How do you make a fruit cordial? A. ‘Be nice to him’. Did you catch who is the publisher of NR? It is one Garrett Bewkes, who is a practitioner of homosexual pseudogamy. Whoever actually controls NR eventually replaced the multidirectional placator Lowry with Ramesh Ponnuru and the libertarianish Charles Cooke with Philip Klein. Both Ponnuru and Klein are notable for an inveterate hostility to Trump. And here’s Kathryn Jean Lopez on country music (https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/07/jason-aldean-isnt-helping/).
I didn't know about Ponnuru's views on Trump, and I know nothing about Klein, but back when I read NR I always found Ponnuru to be one of the more intelligent and thoughtful writers there (certainly much more so than Lowry), and the rare type who was willing to engage with those to his right (e.g., Auster) rather than simply to denounce them.
Charles Cooke, is, as you say, too libertarianish for me to have ever really taken seriously.
Kathryn Jean Lopez always seemed like a shallow writer to me.
“I of course meant fat bloated pensions”
My fat bloated pension is zero dollars a year, since I don’t collect it.
And given your COVID response, you have a knack for increasing the likelihood that you never will.Replies: @Mark G.
Subtraction is easy. Knowing when to do it and what it means is harder. That subtraction is your idea of a math test says a lot.
How to normalize crime rates is pretty easy (though there is a similar issue with interracial crime rates–how to handle both offender and victim population proportion). Figuring out how to norm people moving between states is harder. One way would be to norm the numbers by looking at both the source and destination populations.
Net migration is much easier to understand. And I would argue the relevant number (e.g. consider a steady state where net migration is zero everywhere, the per capita numbers would be very different; don’t expect you to understand this, but that is what real mathematical reasoning looks like). Especially in terms of impact on both groups (e.g. consider a relatively small 5% of CA’s population, 1.95e6, overwhelming WY with it’s population of 0.579e6).
P.S. Do you have anything other than FUD and ad hominems? That gets boring very quickly.
Net migration is much easier to understand. And I would argue the relevant number (e.g. consider a steady state where net migration is zero everywhere, the per capita numbers would be very different; don't expect you to understand this, but that is what real mathematical reasoning looks like). Especially in terms of impact on both groups (e.g. consider a relatively small 5% of CA's population, 1.95e6, overwhelming WY with it's population of 0.579e6).
P.S. Do you have anything other than FUD and ad hominems? That gets boring very quickly.Replies: @HA
“Knowing when to do it and what it means is harder.”
Yes, obviously — evidently, when it happens with crime statistics, it enrages liberals who think per capita is “racist”, which gets a lot of guffaws from the commentators here. However, when it happens in topics related to COVID, it likewise enrages the covidiot truthers who apparently think per capita is a Big Pharma conspiracy or something. Score another win for the horseshoe theory, I guess.
You and TinyDuck should get together and air your gripes about that — the two of you have more in common than you care to admit.
“That subtraction is your idea of a math test says a lot.”
Uh huh, that was definitely where I was going with that, sure — I see your reading comprehension is right up to your usual level. And you’re right — that subtraction stuff sure was a head-scratcher, but I did mange to find on Google that there are these experts called Alexa and Siri who can help me out with that for free, so as soon as you cough up those two numbers, I think the three of us can get that done for you.
“Do you have anything other than FUD and ad hominems?”
I guess I could also try hitting “LOL” on occasion, but I’m not that lame or deperate. And if you’re so bored with my output, well, I must have missed the part of the plot where I somehow forced you to read or reply to it. You’re more than free to skip it, and I believe there still might be an “Ignore” button right near the one for LOL — obviously you’ve been doing a lot of clicking in that area, so maybe try it out?
My fat bloated pension is zero dollars a year, since I don't collect it.Replies: @HA
“My fat bloated pension is zero dollars a year, since I don’t collect it.”
And given your COVID response, you have a knack for increasing the likelihood that you never will.
Source: GAO. Try to lose your anal fixation, your arguments will smell less.
Read today’s editorial section in the WSJ, it directly brings up the fact that net interest on debt will be higher than defense spending as soon as next year and will be 55 percent higher than defense spending within 6 years. The only half witted misdirection comes from HA in his mommy’s basement, if you want to throw a tantrum, write to the editors at the WSJ whose editorial addressed the same issue. You won’t be published until you learn how to reason and how to write.
Lastly, I didn’t mention Ukraine which only costs us perhaps max seven to ten percent of defense outlays…it may well be that dispassionate analysis will show that we should spend even more, not less, on defending Ukraine. Let’s have that analysis…..for all that I know, Rand Corp has already done it.
In the end, just as the WSJ explained today, net interest on debt is frightening (perhaps not to innumerate children in their mommy’s basement) , it will quickly rise to 1.5 trillion….and eventually it will be bigger than any mandatory outlay. You are a deeply unserious twit.Replies: @HA
“Read today’s editorial section in the WSJ, it directly brings up the fact that net interest on debt will be higher than defense spending as soon as next year…”
And where do I deny that? Try and remember, I not only agreed that paying down the debt is a worthy goal, I was the one who pointed out that the defense spending is going down in terms of GDP, and is therefore slipping in the matter of things we most need to worry about with regard to that debt. I.e. from what I can tell the editorial section of the WSJ agrees with me on both points.
And yet, you still want to pick a fight or something, which leads me to believe you have a bug up your backside about something else altogether and just want to smack someone around like an angry drunk. I’ll pass.
Smacking you around is done while sober.
You are obsessed with spending more on the Ukraine, here is a great idea of how to make that happen, …Say thank you.
Fact…the millions that benefit from mandatory and discretionary outlays want those to keep growing. There is no cutting those outlays though perhaps freezing them below the inflation rate is how things will actually end up.
Fact…spending on interest on debt will be bigger than any mandatory outlay within a few years. We also can’t borrow our way of this impasse, as more debt will drive up interest costs. We also can’t collapse the economy to drive rates lower, as GDP will also contract.
We need to spend 6 percent of GDP to break the Russians, this is what we spent to break the USSR.
This means defense spending of 1.8 trillion. Perhaps we can do this on the cheap, break the Russians for 750 billion.
Fact…the Laffer curve is accurately predictive, so we cannot raise taxes enough to cover the funding gap…..as you can see above, there is nothing to squeeze out of mandatory and discretionary outlays, and we have a lot of debt interest payments to cover. So, what to do?
Answer….Ukraine sovereign debt issuance totaling 500 to 700 billion further collateralized by specific Ukrainian assets, and quasi guaranteed by the US Govt. Note, the US Govt will want a big say in post war reconstruction projects, and in legal and admin oversight etc, to protect our loans and its quasi guarantee. This debt might have to trade at 600 plus basis points over the 10 year, but at the price and with a quasi guarantee, it would be snapped up by domestic and European pension funds. Ukraine gets its 700 billion and we get to share in perhaps thirty or more percent of Ukraine’s upside once it makes its final deal with Russia, with a very nice current yield for diversified portfolios. Russia would never mess with Ukraine again, as it knows that nobody messes with our pension funds. Note, Russia’s 300 billion can be added to the pot depending on what the final peace deal looks like. This is what a practical solution to Ukrainian funding looks like. We’ll lend you the money and you’ll repay us with a very nice and appropriate ROI. This plan also democratizes the enterprise, because at this point the costs are being socialized but the rewards post war are going to be privatized. You’re welcome.Replies: @HA
And given your COVID response, you have a knack for increasing the likelihood that you never will.Replies: @Mark G.
Oh, I can collect lots of pension money any time I want by retiring any time I want. My health is great. After all, my doctor said I had absolutely no lung damage from my Covid case, unlike most previously hospitalized patients.
The cognitive dissonance is a thing with you, but I'm still gonna say it: people whose health is "great" don't wind up in the hospital after brushes with COVID. (Same goes with those whose health isn't maybe so great, but who are smart enough to take precautions, but I've been over that enough.)
Then again, indulge your illusions, if you would rather -- maybe it is some grand generalized LeChatelier's principle that inclines those who are set up to receive a bloated pension towards paths that make them less likely to collect. I'm not rooting for that, but in teaming up with anti-vaxxers and COVID truthers, you're well on your way.Replies: @Mark G.
“My health is great…previously hospitalized patients.”
The cognitive dissonance is a thing with you, but I’m still gonna say it: people whose health is “great” don’t wind up in the hospital after brushes with COVID. (Same goes with those whose health isn’t maybe so great, but who are smart enough to take precautions, but I’ve been over that enough.)
Then again, indulge your illusions, if you would rather — maybe it is some grand generalized LeChatelier’s principle that inclines those who are set up to receive a bloated pension towards paths that make them less likely to collect. I’m not rooting for that, but in teaming up with anti-vaxxers and COVID truthers, you’re well on your way.
I am sure you will live a long time. You want us to get involved in a war with Russia but are a sniveling little coward who won't go fight them yourself. So, we do not have to worry about you getting killed over there.Replies: @HA
The cognitive dissonance is a thing with you, but I'm still gonna say it: people whose health is "great" don't wind up in the hospital after brushes with COVID. (Same goes with those whose health isn't maybe so great, but who are smart enough to take precautions, but I've been over that enough.)
Then again, indulge your illusions, if you would rather -- maybe it is some grand generalized LeChatelier's principle that inclines those who are set up to receive a bloated pension towards paths that make them less likely to collect. I'm not rooting for that, but in teaming up with anti-vaxxers and COVID truthers, you're well on your way.Replies: @Mark G.
People in good health can end up in the hospital after getting a minor case of Covid if the hospital wants to misdiagnose them to get them in the hospital to make money off them.
I am sure you will live a long time. You want us to get involved in a war with Russia but are a sniveling little coward who won’t go fight them yourself. So, we do not have to worry about you getting killed over there.
I am sure you will live a long time. You want us to get involved in a war with Russia but are a sniveling little coward who won't go fight them yourself. So, we do not have to worry about you getting killed over there.Replies: @HA
“People in good health can end up in the hospital after getting a minor case of Covid if the hospital wants to misdiagnose them to get them in the hospital to make money off them.”
Right, I remember to this day how the hospitals prowled the streets with big butterfly nets like dogcatchers in the old silent movies, and pounced on any passersby who so much as sneezed, , because during COVID, the hospitals and ER’s were always so empty and desperately in need of more “customers” and the nurses and doctors had nothing to do all day. Those shanghai tactics were the only way they could have forced a strong and healthy individual like yourself into their waiting rooms, as opposed to allowing you to skip home with a bottle of supplements and cheap out-of-patent steroids, or whatever, and ride out that nothingburger of a virus. And don’t forget the hospitals who sent hit squads to shoot all the doctors developing those safe and effective home treatments you can’t seem to name.
I.e., it seems COVID did a number on your brain, or specifically your memory centers, in addition to whatever else it did to your lungs however much you want to believe there was “absolutely no damage”, which is the kind of language I doubt any competent doctor uses, so I’m guessing you embellished that too.
Then again, competent doctors go the extra mile to make sure their patients are well before discharging them. They don’t generally just wing it in the interest of cost-cutting (and in the hope that they won’t get slapped with a malpractice/negligence suit) the way you NOW say you want them to. That’s even more cognitive dissonance that society — or specifically, those wishing to blame everyone but themselves for their dumb health choices — will need to sort through.
“the hospitals and ER’s were always so empty”
The Covid ward I was in was empty. My nurse told me there was only one other patient there. I went a year without getting sick and by the time I was there it was well past the peak of the epidemic. It really was a short lived epidemic.
Competent doctors make sure their patients are well before discharging them. Greedy doctors make sure to admit patients who should not be there. It is pretty funny you think big pharma and the medical cartel is composed of selfless altruistic individuals who never think about money. You really are dimwitted.
Two years is longer than most, but thankfully, we did get that vaccine, and some people were smart enough to make use of it, else it would have been longer. Not to mention a million dead in the course of those two years (again, that would have been a lot more if we had listened to the nothingburger/anti-vaxx experts).
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/figure-1-deaths.jpg
"Greedy doctors make sure to admit patients who should not be there."
Again, none of this hospital stay is the fault of the weasel who actually WENT to the hospital and subsequently wants to blame everyone else for that?
You can trust the public health establishment and the medical profession (and hysterical idiots like "HA") if you want. But don't expect the rest of us to be so trusting. They don't deserve our trust.Replies: @Frau Katze
Under the unique circumstances of a brand new virus my choice was to follow the mainstream media. If that wasn’t your choice, fine. It’s your life.
As for Covid cures I’ve only heard of “treatments.”
I was replying to Mark G. Since both of us are over 65 I didn’t bother adding that the risk to younger people is much lower.
Sometimes you need to read the conversation before you start attacking someone. I think I’m quite reasonable, not favouring forced vaccinations or other coercive measures.
“It really was a short lived epidemic.”
Two years is longer than most, but thankfully, we did get that vaccine, and some people were smart enough to make use of it, else it would have been longer. Not to mention a million dead in the course of those two years (again, that would have been a lot more if we had listened to the nothingburger/anti-vaxx experts).
“Greedy doctors make sure to admit patients who should not be there.”
Again, none of this hospital stay is the fault of the weasel who actually WENT to the hospital and subsequently wants to blame everyone else for that?
Well……….for a lot of them…….apparently:
In that one, they managed to work in their little totalitarian “Stay Home” message too.
Remember those – well, you probably don’t – but the rest of do. All those Tik Tok dance routines by our brave “Healthcare Heros!” – so brave. And busy! When they weren’t out on streets blocking people who were just trying to ………….. you know……….live their lives unmolested or exercise their First Amendment Rights.
I guess you would view that a**hole as the equivalent of that guy who stared down the tanks on Tiananmen Square.
The World was awash in such propaganda at the time – egged on by loathsome creeps like you.
Yeah right. It’s just about impossible to sue a doctor for officially approved COVID treatments. They are covered by the CIP, a Kangaroo court that shields them from virtually all liability. They can kill as many patients as they like with ventillators or whatever and suffer no consequences. Uncle Sam absolves them of all liability. Why Uncle Sam even gave hospitals special payouts specifically for using ventillators and Remdesivir. This is public knowledge which liars like you simply gloss over.
As for Covid cures I’ve only heard of “treatments.”I was replying to Mark G. Since both of us are over 65 I didn’t bother adding that the risk to younger people is much lower.
Sometimes you need to read the conversation before you start attacking someone. I think I’m quite reasonable, not favouring forced vaccinations or other coercive measures.Replies: @Mr. Anon
I did read it and I wasn’t “attacking” you.
Yes, that’s what I said. You know, sometimes you need to read the conversation…….
The COVID pandemic was not unique. We’ve had pandemics before. The World dealt with them without collectively going mad. What was unique about COVID was the unprecedented, insane response to it.
And I commend you for that. There are many people, like our local Stasi representative, HA, who aren’t so reasonable. And the fact is that those people were in charge during the first couple years of COVID.
There were local outbreaks of polio in the 1950s but I was too young to know how severe the disease was.
There were a few flu pandemics over the years but none had the death rate of the 1918 flu, that killed millions. Its spread was greatly helped by troop movements towards the end of WW1. I’m not sure why it killed so many people.
There were later flu pandemics over the years that I recall but they didn’t seem to kill many people.
Covid in its first appearance was worse than flu because it was new and no one had any resistance.
Still it was only fatal among the elderly and a few people with other conditions.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Most hospitals were not overloaded. Many hospitals actually laid off staff.
Lockdowns for everyone not only did not make sense, they were wrong. Legally wrong. Morally wrong.
Allowing doctors or public health officials to issue edicts is every bit as crazy as allowing the police to do so. The doctor-state is no better than the police-state.
Why are you now backpedaling?
Smacking you around is done while sober.
You are obsessed with spending more on the Ukraine, here is a great idea of how to make that happen, …Say thank you.
Fact…the millions that benefit from mandatory and discretionary outlays want those to keep growing. There is no cutting those outlays though perhaps freezing them below the inflation rate is how things will actually end up.
Fact…spending on interest on debt will be bigger than any mandatory outlay within a few years. We also can’t borrow our way of this impasse, as more debt will drive up interest costs. We also can’t collapse the economy to drive rates lower, as GDP will also contract.
We need to spend 6 percent of GDP to break the Russians, this is what we spent to break the USSR.
This means defense spending of 1.8 trillion. Perhaps we can do this on the cheap, break the Russians for 750 billion.
Fact…the Laffer curve is accurately predictive, so we cannot raise taxes enough to cover the funding gap…..as you can see above, there is nothing to squeeze out of mandatory and discretionary outlays, and we have a lot of debt interest payments to cover. So, what to do?
Answer….Ukraine sovereign debt issuance totaling 500 to 700 billion further collateralized by specific Ukrainian assets, and quasi guaranteed by the US Govt. Note, the US Govt will want a big say in post war reconstruction projects, and in legal and admin oversight etc, to protect our loans and its quasi guarantee. This debt might have to trade at 600 plus basis points over the 10 year, but at the price and with a quasi guarantee, it would be snapped up by domestic and European pension funds. Ukraine gets its 700 billion and we get to share in perhaps thirty or more percent of Ukraine’s upside once it makes its final deal with Russia, with a very nice current yield for diversified portfolios. Russia would never mess with Ukraine again, as it knows that nobody messes with our pension funds. Note, Russia’s 300 billion can be added to the pot depending on what the final peace deal looks like. This is what a practical solution to Ukrainian funding looks like. We’ll lend you the money and you’ll repay us with a very nice and appropriate ROI. This plan also democratizes the enterprise, because at this point the costs are being socialized but the rewards post war are going to be privatized. You’re welcome.
I'm not backpedaling. You can support Ukraine and still pay down the debt, just like you can put money into infrastructure and pay down the debt. You do things like that because they're important and because they save you money in the long run (and that includes paying down the debt). I know everyone says their cause will save us money in the long run the way a socialite thinks spending her last dime is really saving money if the dress is 25% off, but in the case of Ukraine, or some of those infrastructure repair projects, I think that's true.
You can even build a wall and pay down the debt, though I myself think that there are far better ways to go about tackling those issues. But do I see you or Mark G. yammering about how we can't afford to throw money away on white elephant projects like that that are largely just symbolic? No, I don't. And claiming something is a "fact" doesn't make it so. It's not some magical incantation.
"Fact…the millions that benefit from mandatory and discretionary outlays want those to keep growing."
You mean cushy government-worker pensions? I have no problem cutting down on those, or raising the retirement age, or reducing the number of people eligible for them. Talk to Mark G. -- for some strange reason, he doesn't seem to have much of a problem with those.
"We need to spend 6 percent of GDP to break the Russians, this is what we spent to break the USSR."
Not if we do it BEFORE Russia gets to the size of the USSR. Hence, we do it now. Because it's important.
Your own WSJ editorial, from what you cite of it, notes that cutting defense, or even increasing it slightly -- which is what we're talking about in the case of Ukraine -- is going to dent the debt. The graph I showed says much the same. Getting out of debt will indeed require eating into the entitlements, so DO THAT and stop pretending I'm dead set against that or am backpedaling, given that I didn't say anything about it one way or the other in this thread.
Quit behaving like a ranting lunatic who just wants to spew. You're not going to convince anyone that way.
A doctor who is itching to admit you to an inpatient ward is one I’ve never met. I used to work for a medical center, btw.
Hospitals are businesses. Perhaps not the normal kind subject to normal business logic. But they do need to keep money coming in. The CARES act massively distorted the already distorted incentives that govern so much of the healthcare business.
The only good way to protect consumers is to have a free market medical system where they have real choices and a legal system where cases are decided by a jury, not some corrupt bureaucrat or kangaroo court.
When you have a government enforced medical cartel and government health agencies subject to regulatory capture, you end up with a high cost poor quality system. As government has become more involved, medical spending has tripled as a percentage of GDP in the last 60 years.
A system that elevates Fauci to the top has major problems. He helped to fund the development of Covid, that then killed millions.
I had doctors tell me for four days I was sick right up until the moment one I had not seen before walked into my room, looked at me, and then said I did not look sick and he was going to arrange to let me go home. I was lucky there was a doctor there who was not dishonest and corrupt. My personal doctor told me two weeks later I had no lung damage on my x-rays, untypical for formerly hospitalized Covid patients.
Smacking you around is done while sober.
You are obsessed with spending more on the Ukraine, here is a great idea of how to make that happen, …Say thank you.
Fact…the millions that benefit from mandatory and discretionary outlays want those to keep growing. There is no cutting those outlays though perhaps freezing them below the inflation rate is how things will actually end up.
Fact…spending on interest on debt will be bigger than any mandatory outlay within a few years. We also can’t borrow our way of this impasse, as more debt will drive up interest costs. We also can’t collapse the economy to drive rates lower, as GDP will also contract.
We need to spend 6 percent of GDP to break the Russians, this is what we spent to break the USSR.
This means defense spending of 1.8 trillion. Perhaps we can do this on the cheap, break the Russians for 750 billion.
Fact…the Laffer curve is accurately predictive, so we cannot raise taxes enough to cover the funding gap…..as you can see above, there is nothing to squeeze out of mandatory and discretionary outlays, and we have a lot of debt interest payments to cover. So, what to do?
Answer….Ukraine sovereign debt issuance totaling 500 to 700 billion further collateralized by specific Ukrainian assets, and quasi guaranteed by the US Govt. Note, the US Govt will want a big say in post war reconstruction projects, and in legal and admin oversight etc, to protect our loans and its quasi guarantee. This debt might have to trade at 600 plus basis points over the 10 year, but at the price and with a quasi guarantee, it would be snapped up by domestic and European pension funds. Ukraine gets its 700 billion and we get to share in perhaps thirty or more percent of Ukraine’s upside once it makes its final deal with Russia, with a very nice current yield for diversified portfolios. Russia would never mess with Ukraine again, as it knows that nobody messes with our pension funds. Note, Russia’s 300 billion can be added to the pot depending on what the final peace deal looks like. This is what a practical solution to Ukrainian funding looks like. We’ll lend you the money and you’ll repay us with a very nice and appropriate ROI. This plan also democratizes the enterprise, because at this point the costs are being socialized but the rewards post war are going to be privatized. You’re welcome.Replies: @HA
“Why are you now backpedaling?”
I’m not backpedaling. You can support Ukraine and still pay down the debt, just like you can put money into infrastructure and pay down the debt. You do things like that because they’re important and because they save you money in the long run (and that includes paying down the debt). I know everyone says their cause will save us money in the long run the way a socialite thinks spending her last dime is really saving money if the dress is 25% off, but in the case of Ukraine, or some of those infrastructure repair projects, I think that’s true.
You can even build a wall and pay down the debt, though I myself think that there are far better ways to go about tackling those issues. But do I see you or Mark G. yammering about how we can’t afford to throw money away on white elephant projects like that that are largely just symbolic? No, I don’t. And claiming something is a “fact” doesn’t make it so. It’s not some magical incantation.
“Fact…the millions that benefit from mandatory and discretionary outlays want those to keep growing.”
You mean cushy government-worker pensions? I have no problem cutting down on those, or raising the retirement age, or reducing the number of people eligible for them. Talk to Mark G. — for some strange reason, he doesn’t seem to have much of a problem with those.
“We need to spend 6 percent of GDP to break the Russians, this is what we spent to break the USSR.”
Not if we do it BEFORE Russia gets to the size of the USSR. Hence, we do it now. Because it’s important.
Your own WSJ editorial, from what you cite of it, notes that cutting defense, or even increasing it slightly — which is what we’re talking about in the case of Ukraine — is going to dent the debt. The graph I showed says much the same. Getting out of debt will indeed require eating into the entitlements, so DO THAT and stop pretending I’m dead set against that or am backpedaling, given that I didn’t say anything about it one way or the other in this thread.
Quit behaving like a ranting lunatic who just wants to spew. You’re not going to convince anyone that way.
“Well……….for a lot of them…….apparently:…”
Yeah, I’m sure gleeful dancing accurately depicts the consensus mood of health care workers during COVID. That being said, no one is arguing that the hospitals certainly got a lot emptier in the months after the vaccine was released — which Mark G. himself has admitted, given that he went to hospital right about that time.
And yet, for same strange reason, he still has problems connecting his refusal to take the vaccine to the fact that — as allegedly strong and heathy as he was — he wound up in a hospital bed so sad and lonesome. Whereas the connection is pretty clear to the rest of us.
Again, the two of you ought to get together and rant to each other in perfect First Amendment bliss, as you desperately continue to retcon the past and gloss over what anyone else can see from a mile away. You have a lot in common.
Your usual level of dishonesty. The disease was seasonal so cases dropped in the summer, when I was there. Cases went back up the next winter.
The vaccines did help reduce deaths. What finally stopped the disease, though, was natural immunity after many people got the disease and the disease mutating into a more mild variant. This almost always happens with this type of virus: the 1918 Spanish flu, the 1957 Asian flu, the 1968 Hong Kong flu and Covid.Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon
“hospitals certainly got a lot emptier in the months after the vaccine was released”
Your usual level of dishonesty. The disease was seasonal so cases dropped in the summer, when I was there. Cases went back up the next winter.
The vaccines did help reduce deaths. What finally stopped the disease, though, was natural immunity after many people got the disease and the disease mutating into a more mild variant. This almost always happens with this type of virus: the 1918 Spanish flu, the 1957 Asian flu, the 1968 Hong Kong flu and Covid.
Your usual level of dishonesty. The disease was seasonal so cases dropped in the summer, when I was there. Cases went back up the next winter.
The vaccines did help reduce deaths. What finally stopped the disease, though, was natural immunity after many people got the disease and the disease mutating into a more mild variant. This almost always happens with this type of virus: the 1918 Spanish flu, the 1957 Asian flu, the 1968 Hong Kong flu and Covid.Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon
“Your usual level of dishonesty. The disease was seasonal so cases dropped in the summer, when I was there. “
Yeah, when YOU were there, Mr. Unvaxxed. Funny how that worked out, eh? Despite the balmier weather, you still had to trudge on down to the hospital, and now you tell us that greedy doctors are to blame for that. And next winter, rest assured, those rising hospital cases were disproportionately among the unvaxxed, ceter paribus. And why didn’t you mention the seasonality before, when you were implying that the emptiness was a sign that the pandemic was somehow “short”? It’s always dishonesty when someone else is doing something, but somehow, never you.
Face it, you and the rest of the bros are thrashing about trying to shift blame away from supporting both those who initially claimed the disease was a nothingburger, and later, those who claimed that taking the vaccine was a bad idea. You failed on both counts. Yes, infectious diseases often get done in by herd immunity — no one disputes that. But sometimes they take a couple of million of people and overwhelm ER’s and hospitals before we reach that point B, and so sensible people try NOT to act like jerks, so as to minimize the damage. You failed on that count, too.
That doesn’t mean that everyone on the other side likes Fauci or Newsom, or believes that vaccines (or any other health remedy) are some silver bullet that come without serious side-effects of their own. It also doesn’t mean they’re fascists who want doctors to be shot and who can’t recognize gray areas. You’re not the brave Tianmen protesters in this scenario, by any stretch. You’re sad pathetic anti-vaxx sympathizes who hypocritically spent the first year of the pandemic lambasting others for being scared of a few sniffles from a nothingburger, and the rest of it being bedwetting Chicken Littles about a needle. In a less lethal scenario, it’d be comedy gold.
Sometimes, the consensus narrative and the powers that be, for all their idiocy, are less dangerous than those who cherry-pick that idiocy without ever admitting that their own narrative is even more full of holes. That’s what happened with COVID. Sailer and Cochran stayed consistent, and listened to those who actually had experience and data regarding how to deal with matters they spent much of their lives studying, as opposed to those spinning link-free conspiracy theories about rapacious hospitals forcing Remdesivir down people’s throats.
Supporters of a government enforced medical cartel are fascists. Fascism is a merging of business and government.
Supporters of the corrupt medical cartel often support other corrupt special interests like the military-industrial complex and its push for endless wars like the Ukraine intervention. There is an alliance of all these special interests against productive citizens.
Two thirds of all new jobs now are in government, education and medicine. All these sectors receive much money from tax receipts. This is not sustainable. As the private sector that generates tax revenues shrinks we will enter a fiscal crisis.Replies: @HA
Given the large number of such videos which flooded the internet in March 202, I’d say – Yes, it does.
The hospitals got a lot emptier starting in mid-March 2020 when the medical establishment, goaded by the government and NGOs, decided that there will now be only one health concern – COVID, 365/24/7. A fact which you conveniently ignore. Or are just lying about, as indeed you lie about so much.
So what about all the people who did get vaccinated and still got COVID? And died. A not inconsiderable number.
Are you a paid Pfizer shill? If not, then you’re pretty stupid to carry water for an outfit that’s not even supporting you. But then you’re just a fat-mouthed know-it-all who knows little apparently.
Oh, and it’s March 16th 2024 – shouldn’t you be reporting for duty in Avdiivka, you war-monger coward?
Your usual level of dishonesty. The disease was seasonal so cases dropped in the summer, when I was there. Cases went back up the next winter.
The vaccines did help reduce deaths. What finally stopped the disease, though, was natural immunity after many people got the disease and the disease mutating into a more mild variant. This almost always happens with this type of virus: the 1918 Spanish flu, the 1957 Asian flu, the 1968 Hong Kong flu and Covid.Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon
HA is going to fight this battle to his dying breath. He has too much invested in COVID to ever give it up. He is one of Fauci’s broken people. One could almost pity him. Expect that he’s such a nasty jerk that I don’t.
I understand completely -- anything to rationalize not having to confront that hurty ouchy needle.
I tell ya, it was even worse than a mosquito bite, that's how painful it was.
Under the CARES act, hospitals were being paid large bonuses for administering inpatient COVID treatments (ventilator and Remdesivir) at a time they were shuttering whole departments and deferring many other “elective” procedures that are the normal bread and butter of healthcare.
Hospitals are businesses. Perhaps not the normal kind subject to normal business logic. But they do need to keep money coming in. The CARES act massively distorted the already distorted incentives that govern so much of the healthcare business.
“It also doesn’t mean they’re fascists”
Supporters of a government enforced medical cartel are fascists. Fascism is a merging of business and government.
Supporters of the corrupt medical cartel often support other corrupt special interests like the military-industrial complex and its push for endless wars like the Ukraine intervention. There is an alliance of all these special interests against productive citizens.
Two thirds of all new jobs now are in government, education and medicine. All these sectors receive much money from tax receipts. This is not sustainable. As the private sector that generates tax revenues shrinks we will enter a fiscal crisis.
Thanks, Mr. 40-years-in-government. Good to know.Replies: @Mark G.
There’s something wrong with your interpretation here.
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BTW, Steorts has been managing editor since 2004, since he was about 23 years old. Lowry permitted him to run Mark Steyn off the contributors list because Steorts had his nose out of joint when Steyn quoted a joke once told by Dean Martin. The joke was 'How do you make a fruit cordial? A. 'Be nice to him'. Did you catch who is the publisher of NR? It is one Garrett Bewkes, who is a practitioner of homosexual pseudogamy. Whoever actually controls NR eventually replaced the multidirectional placator Lowry with Ramesh Ponnuru and the libertarianish Charles Cooke with Philip Klein. Both Ponnuru and Klein are notable for an inveterate hostility to Trump. And here's Kathryn Jean Lopez on country music (https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/07/jason-aldean-isnt-helping/).Replies: @Ian M.
Thanks. I had forgotten about Derbyshire and abortion.
I didn’t know about Ponnuru’s views on Trump, and I know nothing about Klein, but back when I read NR I always found Ponnuru to be one of the more intelligent and thoughtful writers there (certainly much more so than Lowry), and the rare type who was willing to engage with those to his right (e.g., Auster) rather than simply to denounce them.
Charles Cooke, is, as you say, too libertarianish for me to have ever really taken seriously.
Kathryn Jean Lopez always seemed like a shallow writer to me.
Supporters of a government enforced medical cartel are fascists. Fascism is a merging of business and government.
Supporters of the corrupt medical cartel often support other corrupt special interests like the military-industrial complex and its push for endless wars like the Ukraine intervention. There is an alliance of all these special interests against productive citizens.
Two thirds of all new jobs now are in government, education and medicine. All these sectors receive much money from tax receipts. This is not sustainable. As the private sector that generates tax revenues shrinks we will enter a fiscal crisis.Replies: @HA
“Two thirds of all new jobs now are in government, education and medicine. All these sectors receive much money from tax receipts. This is not sustainable.”
Thanks, Mr. 40-years-in-government. Good to know.
There has not been a pandemic like Covid—new virus that no one had any resistance to and that went around the whole world—in my lifetime.
There were local outbreaks of polio in the 1950s but I was too young to know how severe the disease was.
There were a few flu pandemics over the years but none had the death rate of the 1918 flu, that killed millions. Its spread was greatly helped by troop movements towards the end of WW1. I’m not sure why it killed so many people.
There were later flu pandemics over the years that I recall but they didn’t seem to kill many people.
Covid in its first appearance was worse than flu because it was new and no one had any resistance.
Still it was only fatal among the elderly and a few people with other conditions.
Thanks, Mr. 40-years-in-government. Good to know.Replies: @Mark G.
42 years. And foregoing my pension for the last 12 years of it. Don’t forget that, Mr. Fascist. I know how things go in one ear and out the other without sinking into that tiny little parrot brain of yours.
Don't kid yourself. Unless you shift paper around as eagerly as you shift blame -- which is highly unlikely -- the only difference between what's going on now and what'll happen should you manage to retire before your bad life choices do you in is that you're sponging somewhat less -- like the housewife who convinces herself she's saving money as long as the caftans and QVC jewelry she keeps buying is marked "25% off".
“And foregoing my pension for the last 12 years of it.”
Don’t kid yourself. Unless you shift paper around as eagerly as you shift blame — which is highly unlikely — the only difference between what’s going on now and what’ll happen should you manage to retire before your bad life choices do you in is that you’re sponging somewhat less — like the housewife who convinces herself she’s saving money as long as the caftans and QVC jewelry she keeps buying is marked “25% off”.
“Expect that he’s such a nasty jerk…”
I understand completely — anything to rationalize not having to confront that hurty ouchy needle.
I tell ya, it was even worse than a mosquito bite, that’s how painful it was.
Again with that bulls**t. No, we’re not afraid of the needle, you lying prick. I get shots with average regularity (blood draws, vaccine boosters, the odd B-12 or steroid shot). It is not the hypodermic I object to.
By the way, have you signed up yet?
https://visitukraine.today/blog/3420/foreigners-will-be-able-to-serve-in-the-national-guard-of-ukraine-how-to-get-there-and-how-much-they-are-paid#:~:text=To%20join%20the%20National%20Guard,military%20service%20under%20the%20contract.
Better hurry. You don’t want to miss your share of the glory. Or maybe you’ll just settle with buying a Kevlar armchair.
There were local outbreaks of polio in the 1950s but I was too young to know how severe the disease was.
There were a few flu pandemics over the years but none had the death rate of the 1918 flu, that killed millions. Its spread was greatly helped by troop movements towards the end of WW1. I’m not sure why it killed so many people.
There were later flu pandemics over the years that I recall but they didn’t seem to kill many people.
Covid in its first appearance was worse than flu because it was new and no one had any resistance.
Still it was only fatal among the elderly and a few people with other conditions.Replies: @Mr. Anon
That is simply not true. Lots of people never even got COVID, or got only a mild case. Clearly they had some kind of immunity.
Even Anthony Fauci has admitted that many, perhaps most, of the deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu were from bacterial pneumonia. That may have been made much worse by the fact that patients (many of them soldiers) were confined to crowded wards where they could spread the bacterial disease to one another. Also, a lot of the deaths were likely iatrogenic – a word that HA doesn’t like because it shakes his child-like faith in the men in white lab coats. It was common to give Spanish Flu patients 5 or six grams of aspirin a day, aspirin being the new wonder drug. That’s enough to cause bleeding in the lungs leading to – you guessed it – pneumonia.
The Asian Flu in the late 50s killed about a million people World wide. It killed over 100,000 people in the United States, 40% of them children under the age of five. A disease that robs young families of their young children might be thought to be pretty bad. And yet the American public didn’t freak out over it.
For the old and/or infirm. For most everyone else, it was no big deal.
If you’re determined that mainstream sources are wrong then there’s no point continuing this conversation.Replies: @res, @Mr. Anon
Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441The obvious question (brought up in this article) is how did that play out around the world. They give a reference (a reply to the paper above) and I will link the reply to that which includes both (they appeared one after another in print).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/42108132_Reply_to_Noymer_et_al
My additional hypothesis would be that the countries with higher mortality might have had worse sanitation, nutrition, and general health than the US. Comparing India with the US in 1918?!
Covid was a new virus according to mainstream sources. Everyone didn’t get it because first, for the young and healthy, it may be very mild and second, because of the vaccines.
If you’re determined that mainstream sources are wrong then there’s no point continuing this conversation.
The 1957 and 1968 influenza pandemics were arguably new viruses. Some links. First from NIH.
Influenza Pandemics of the 20th Century
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3291411To emphasize that, here is the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/past-pandemics.htmlRegarding the earlier flu pandemics and extrapolation to Covid, I would say this April 3, 2020 comment of mine has aged extremely well. Remember that was far from the mainstream view at the time (see Jack D's response).
https://www.unz.com/isteve/l-a-mayor-public-should-wear-masks-but-not-n95s/#comment-3814212
P.S. I would also add "new virus that no one had any resistance to" is probably an overstatement (an oversimplification that probably passes in casual conversation, but might want to watch that here on such a controversial topic). There is much human variation in immune response. Are you familiar with HLA?
Biochemistry, HLA Antigens
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK546662
One of the notable things about the HLA genetic region is it is so variable special methods are required for sequencing it (i.e. most standard WGS don't work right there).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_leukocyte_antigen#Variability
By the way, they are often wrong. The same mainstream sources you invoke now claim that there is an infinite spectrum of something called "gender" and that people can change it at will. They claim that women are routinely somehow born into male bodies and vice-versa. Is that right? Do you believe them when they say that?
Interesting. I had been unaware of that. Thanks. More here.
Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441
The obvious question (brought up in this article) is how did that play out around the world. They give a reference (a reply to the paper above) and I will link the reply to that which includes both (they appeared one after another in print).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/42108132_Reply_to_Noymer_et_al
My additional hypothesis would be that the countries with higher mortality might have had worse sanitation, nutrition, and general health than the US. Comparing India with the US in 1918?!
If you’re determined that mainstream sources are wrong then there’s no point continuing this conversation.Replies: @res, @Mr. Anon
That would have been much better as “wrong about this.” Do you dispute that mainstream sources got some things wrong about Covid? Your tendency to believe everything mainstream is one of the reasons you get so much pushback here. Many of us overreact to that. For me it is because if I wanted to listen to blind regurgitation of mainstream views I would go read those sources instead. Citation of mainstream sources along with thoughtful commentary is more worthwhile.
The 1957 and 1968 influenza pandemics were arguably new viruses. Some links. First from NIH.
Influenza Pandemics of the 20th Century
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3291411
To emphasize that, here is the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/past-pandemics.html
Regarding the earlier flu pandemics and extrapolation to Covid, I would say this April 3, 2020 comment of mine has aged extremely well. Remember that was far from the mainstream view at the time (see Jack D’s response).
https://www.unz.com/isteve/l-a-mayor-public-should-wear-masks-but-not-n95s/#comment-3814212
P.S. I would also add “new virus that no one had any resistance to” is probably an overstatement (an oversimplification that probably passes in casual conversation, but might want to watch that here on such a controversial topic). There is much human variation in immune response. Are you familiar with HLA?
Biochemistry, HLA Antigens
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK546662
One of the notable things about the HLA genetic region is it is so variable special methods are required for sequencing it (i.e. most standard WGS don’t work right there).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_leukocyte_antigen#Variability
If you’re determined that mainstream sources are wrong then there’s no point continuing this conversation.Replies: @res, @Mr. Anon
Corona viruses have been known about for a long time. Some Corona viruses cause the common cold (along with other viruses). COVID was a new strain.
Yeah that means their immune system is successfully fighting it, i.e., they have some resistance to it. Some people likely were more immune to it because they had been exposed to other corona viruses.
Are you kidding? Lots of people got COVID after getting the vaccines.
If you are determined that mainstream sources are always right, then why are you here at this website? A website that is dedicated to the proposition that they are often wrong.
By the way, they are often wrong. The same mainstream sources you invoke now claim that there is an infinite spectrum of something called “gender” and that people can change it at will. They claim that women are routinely somehow born into male bodies and vice-versa. Is that right? Do you believe them when they say that?