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Who worked harder to keep anybody from blaming the Saudi royals when Saudis do bad things? Bush 1, Bush 2, or Trump?

 
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  1. Borderline dishonest comparison.
    Saudis had a coup. There’s Old Saudis and New Saudis. Trump is tied closely to and ensuring support of the New Saudis — who dethroned, arrested, tortured, and imprisoned or killed the Old Saudis. They’re both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change) and the other are pretty much violent criminal scum out of a comic book.
    The Old Saudis featured prominently in a huge inter-agency/academic investigation into child sex trafficking and pedophile grooming, which was reported in mainstream media and can still be read online — but which is largely forgotten because it was, by remarkable coincidence, published the day before that other big thing the old Saudis did to us.
    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis (Chief New Saudi MbS is uncontroversially known to have been in town and on security camera footage, Old Saudis are uncontroversially known to be the owners of a section of the hotel immediately above the shooting site).
    The Bushes and Old Saudis were joked about as blood (“Bandar Bush”), and secretly enabled possible criminals (or material witnesses) to totally escape questioning at a time when that would have helped (and when sich questioning would have been, at its most futile, the decent thing to do). Trump made a verbal statement, and it was a verbal statement confirming the gap between the factions, after a much, much smaller event.
    Aforementioned pizza report:
    https://pdfhost.io/v/[email protected]_Microsoft_Word_Complete_CSEC_020220doc.pdf

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    My evergreen question about the Vegas Debacle:

    "who/what flew into/out of McCarran that night and at what times?"

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    The Old vs. New Saudi storyline is nonsense. MBS is no better than the old guard, just younger and more realistic about the problems Saudi Arabia is about to face.
    , @Neoconned
    Agree w you strongly regarding the Vegas incident.....serious question though....of what Saudi child grooming scandal are you referring? Never heard of that before.
    , @Jake
    The 'new Saudis' are trying to 'fly straight' in the same way the 'new Jews' are trying to 'fly straight.'
    , @anonymous
    In the pdf report you linked, there isn't a single mention of Saudi Arabia.
    , @Jack D

    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis
     
    If that's the closest we're going to get then it's not very close. All you have is hand waving - a Saudi once stayed in a hotel down the block, a paddock is a place where horses are kept and Saudis like horses, etc. It doesn't even meet the usual low conspiracy theory threshold of "cui bono?" I would love to pin Las Vegas on the Arabs but Stephen Paddock was an all-American boy.
  2. Gotta be Bush 2 with all those flights out for the Saudis after 9/11. Not sure who Trump thinks he’s appealing to, though.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Clyde
    Yeah Bush 2 for the same reason. With the new line Saudi prince in charge we need them as a counter weight against Shiite Iran and Russian dominance of the Middle East. Include the ChiComs too. All you wannabee isolationists will be crying in your beer if Russia-China-Iran end our Dollar Dominant reserve currency.
  3. That award probably go’s to George W. Bush. 9/11 could’ve turned out a lot worse for the Saudi Monarchy. Instead, Iraq and Afghanistan received the full blunt of US public/establishment military/media outrage.

    I’d wager both Bush I and Trump possessed more leverage over the Saudi Monarchy during their presidencies than Bush II. Bush senior had leverage over the highly successful (first) Gulf War. The collapse of the Soviet Union also created a large diplomatic power vacuum.

    Trump benefited from the the fracking/natural gas revolution. It provides more US independence from Middle East oil but oil dependence is still substantial.

    Bush II got sandwiched between the Neocons (hated Iraq and Iran more than Saudi Arabia) and the stock market plunge from 9/11. Some group needed to be blamed fast, with Iraq being the Neocons preferred target.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    "...oil dependence is still substantial."

    10%-11% in fact, which is not insubstantial. Still gotta make nice-nice to the towelheads I guess. At least for now.

  4. @Polynikes
    Gotta be Bush 2 with all those flights out for the Saudis after 9/11. Not sure who Trump thinks he’s appealing to, though.

    Yeah Bush 2 for the same reason. With the new line Saudi prince in charge we need them as a counter weight against Shiite Iran and Russian dominance of the Middle East. Include the ChiComs too. All you wannabee isolationists will be crying in your beer if Russia-China-Iran end our Dollar Dominant reserve currency.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Ending the world reserve currency status of the dollar would be painful but it needs to happen. Foreign goods will double in price but the US will be an attractive place to manufacture.
    , @Twodees Partain
    The petrodollar/reserve currency is falling on its own without any help from other currencies. You watch too much Foxnews and CNN. Good luck trying to push this MSM view here.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    " With the new line Saudi prince in charge we need them as a counter weight against Shiite Iran and Russian dominance of the Middle East. Include the ChiComs too. All you wannabee isolationists will be crying in your beer if Russia-China-Iran end our Dollar Dominant reserve currency."

    Okay Boomer. Did you just wander in here by accident from Breitbart? I doubt there's a single person here who doesn't believe that the US has got it coming, good and hard.
  5. While the Saudis have their flaws to be sure, they sure do know how to make and keep friends.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Semi LOL ... except this pic is so obviously supposed to be Mexican drug cartel money.
    , @bjondo
    Is that the pallet of 100s Israel
    made off with from Iraq?
  6. Oh, definitely George Bush’s idiot son, since I got to invade Iraq instead of their shitty kingdom. Best of all would have been me spending four years patrolling the southern border of my own country instead of anyplace in that filthy desert, but we all know nobody wants that…

  7. OT – Doing the jobs Americans won’t do.

    Such as staging coup d’etats in their home countries:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-marine-who-smuggled-guns-haiti-wanted-take-over-country-become-president

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The funniest thing about that is that it's Haiti: a properly supplied rifle squad with open comms is probably all you'd need.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    US Marine Who Smuggled Guns To Haiti Wanted To Take Over Country, Become President
     
    It's difficult to see how he would be any worse than what's there now, or at at other time in the pastcentury.

    coup d’etats
     
    Coups d'etats. Or, if it's a serial thing, as in Haïti, coups d'etat.
    , @PiltdownMan
    The guy hadn't thought about the x-ray luggage scanner. It's been clarified that he was never in the military.

    https://i.imgur.com/YwOyKJj.jpg

    https://sentinel.ht/post/news/crime/11514-haitian-american-with-small-arsenal-of-weapons-arrested-at-toussaint-louverture

  8. They’re both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change)

    https://www.cars.com/articles/whos-more-prone-to-fatal-crashes-men-or-women-1420695771195/

    Spoiler alert: Men are far more prone to fatal car crashes than women. The highest percentage of fatalities with a female driver was in New Hampshire at 30%.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin

    Spoiler alert: Men are far more prone to fatal car crashes than women. The highest percentage of fatalities with a female driver was in New Hampshire at 30%.
     
    That's only because we men drive them whenever we travel together and then we have to listen to them as we drive.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Men are more likely to drive at night, or on the job, or worst of all, at night on the job. That tends to skew the figures.

    Staying home with the kids leads to lower compensation, but the lower risk of fatality, well, compensates for that.
    , @International Jew
    Did that study correct for velocity and drinking?
    , @danand
    Rosie, you are right of course, left totally unchecked men are natural born killers. Fortunately most often rearing & reason overcome the instinct. And fortunately if not just for entertainments sake that’s not always the case; perhaps even lesser so with the Saudi:

    https://youtu.be/BE61mYTFraQ
  9. GW without a doubt, because “Don’t have a care? Fly W Air!” in Sept. of 2001.

  10. Is it possible/likely that the Saudis were the source of Jeffrey Epstein’s (so far, unaccounted for) stupendous wealth?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Epstein was insanely connected but -- perhaps my shortfall -- I don't recall seeing one Arab name. Plus Saudis have their own channels (see above) and have since forever. But maybe.
    Bonus: feel the anger flow through you, feel it turn to hatred:
    https://postimg.cc/bdtzc5dJ
    , @Brutusale
    What, are the Saudis running Mossad now?
  11. @Rosie

    They’re both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change)
     
    https://www.cars.com/articles/whos-more-prone-to-fatal-crashes-men-or-women-1420695771195/

    Spoiler alert: Men are far more prone to fatal car crashes than women. The highest percentage of fatalities with a female driver was in New Hampshire at 30%.

    Spoiler alert: Men are far more prone to fatal car crashes than women. The highest percentage of fatalities with a female driver was in New Hampshire at 30%.

    That’s only because we men drive them whenever we travel together and then we have to listen to them as we drive.

  12. Bo, its because you’re more reckless, as evidenced by your greater likelihood of getting speeding tickets and reckless driving citations. Lemme guess, this is just anti-male persecution of men who dindu nuffin.

    https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/cost-of-motoring/women-really-are-safer-drivers

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    Rosie, as usual for your sex, you don't listen. We men only speed and drive recklessly because of your incessant chatter.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    https://pics.me.me/male-drivers-dont-have-a-ladiesaccident-have-aalmen-one-why-46719876.png
  13. @Rosie
    Bo, its because you're more reckless, as evidenced by your greater likelihood of getting speeding tickets and reckless driving citations. Lemme guess, this is just anti-male persecution of men who dindu nuffin.

    https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/cost-of-motoring/women-really-are-safer-drivers

    Rosie, as usual for your sex, you don’t listen. We men only speed and drive recklessly because of your incessant chatter.

    • Replies: @Tono Bungay
    I think Rosie is right, although the chatter business is certainly a reality. All those studies that feminists like that show men interrupting women more often than the reverse? Well, isn't it because women keep talking and talking and talking long after they've said what they mean? But, Pincher Martin, admit that as a man you like to test your limits. For instance, when I crumple a piece of paper I like to see if I can toss it into the basket from across the room. How many men have not tried at least once to see how far from the toilet they can piss? I think we are more skillful drivers -- not to mention parkers and 3-point-turners than women -- hands down, but that isn't the same as safer.
  14. OT

    Weirder things have happened.

    21 year old black rapper Juice Wrld is dead. So far so good.

    … After suffering a seizure in an airport lounge. Huh?

    What a pussy way to go for a black rapper!

    • Replies: @Lugash
    He was an connoisseur of the urban artist's favorite beverage, Purple Drank. While over consumption usually leads to cardiac arrest, seizure have been known to occur.
    , @Jack D
    Juice went like a man. How dare you call him a pussy. He would pop a cap in your cracker ass if he wasn't currently dead.

    Juice Wrld died after 'swallowing Percocet painkillers to HIDE them from cops' after his private jet pilot phoned Chicago police to tell them the rapper was flying with 70 pounds of marijuana, hand guns and armor-piercing bullets
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7772929/Juice-Wrld-suffered-fatal-seizure-cops-searched-private-jet-70-pounds-marijuana.html

    Now Juice was perhaps not the smartest man ever but you can't say that he wasn't a manly man. He was clearly a man of action and initiative. America could really use more men like him but maybe with another 30 or 40 IQ points so they wouldn't do really stupid things and would live past 21. Juice Wrld + 50 IQ points = Elon Musk. Why if we could breed a man with the coolness of the black race and the cleverness of the white, such a man might even become President.
  15. @Mr. Anon
    OT - Doing the jobs Americans won't do.

    Such as staging coup d'etats in their home countries:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-marine-who-smuggled-guns-haiti-wanted-take-over-country-become-president

    The funniest thing about that is that it’s Haiti: a properly supplied rifle squad with open comms is probably all you’d need.

    • Replies: @nymom
    Maybe Haiti would have been better off if he had succeeded in overthrowing the government...

    At this point, I don't think the country could be worse off no matter what happened.

    Perhaps they could use a benevolent dictatorship like Singapore and Rwanda have in place.
  16. @J.Ross
    Borderline dishonest comparison.
    Saudis had a coup. There's Old Saudis and New Saudis. Trump is tied closely to and ensuring support of the New Saudis -- who dethroned, arrested, tortured, and imprisoned or killed the Old Saudis. They're both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change) and the other are pretty much violent criminal scum out of a comic book.
    The Old Saudis featured prominently in a huge inter-agency/academic investigation into child sex trafficking and pedophile grooming, which was reported in mainstream media and can still be read online -- but which is largely forgotten because it was, by remarkable coincidence, published the day before that other big thing the old Saudis did to us.
    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis (Chief New Saudi MbS is uncontroversially known to have been in town and on security camera footage, Old Saudis are uncontroversially known to be the owners of a section of the hotel immediately above the shooting site).
    The Bushes and Old Saudis were joked about as blood ("Bandar Bush"), and secretly enabled possible criminals (or material witnesses) to totally escape questioning at a time when that would have helped (and when sich questioning would have been, at its most futile, the decent thing to do). Trump made a verbal statement, and it was a verbal statement confirming the gap between the factions, after a much, much smaller event.
    Aforementioned pizza report:
    https://pdfhost.io/v/[email protected]_Microsoft_Word_Complete_CSEC_020220doc.pdf

    My evergreen question about the Vegas Debacle:

    “who/what flew into/out of McCarran that night and at what times?”

    • Replies: @Prester John
    Hmmmm... .
  17. @Daniel H
    Is it possible/likely that the Saudis were the source of Jeffrey Epstein's (so far, unaccounted for) stupendous wealth?

    Epstein was insanely connected but — perhaps my shortfall — I don’t recall seeing one Arab name. Plus Saudis have their own channels (see above) and have since forever. But maybe.
    Bonus: feel the anger flow through you, feel it turn to hatred:
    https://postimg.cc/bdtzc5dJ

    • LOL: Kronos, bomag
    • Replies: @Leo D
    Epstein was in the business of blackmail...

    Hard to blackmail a muzzie for doing what muzzies consider a right.

    "Hey, I've got video of you and that 14 year old...

    Awesome, can I see it?"
  18. ‘Who worked harder to keep anybody from blaming the Saudi royals when Saudis do bad things? Bush 1, Bush 2, or Trump?’

    No comparison. Bush 2 had the toughie — and came through like a champ.

  19. @Mr. Anon
    OT - Doing the jobs Americans won't do.

    Such as staging coup d'etats in their home countries:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-marine-who-smuggled-guns-haiti-wanted-take-over-country-become-president

    US Marine Who Smuggled Guns To Haiti Wanted To Take Over Country, Become President

    It’s difficult to see how he would be any worse than what’s there now, or at at other time in the pastcentury.

    coup d’etats

    Coups d’etats. Or, if it’s a serial thing, as in Haïti, coups d’etat.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Well, pardon my French.
  20. @Rosie

    They’re both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change)
     
    https://www.cars.com/articles/whos-more-prone-to-fatal-crashes-men-or-women-1420695771195/

    Spoiler alert: Men are far more prone to fatal car crashes than women. The highest percentage of fatalities with a female driver was in New Hampshire at 30%.

    Men are more likely to drive at night, or on the job, or worst of all, at night on the job. That tends to skew the figures.

    Staying home with the kids leads to lower compensation, but the lower risk of fatality, well, compensates for that.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Men are more likely to drive at night, or on the job, or worst of all, at night on the job. That tends to skew the figures.
     
    They're also more likely to drive drunk, just as they are more likely to engage in any other criminal activity.

    http://www.drunkdrivingstats.org/menversuswomendrunkdrivingstatistics.html
    , @Liberty Mike
    No, there is no skewering. Just face it, men need to man up and eschew the aggression, the fellating of cops and soldier boys, the jerking off to guns, the thuggery, the video games, and violence.

    ONLY COWARDS love speeding, getting in fights, and wearing the uniform of Caesar.
  21. anonymous[814] • Disclaimer says:

    Couple days after 9-11 Bush was bantering and smoking cigars with Prince Bandar of Saudi intelligence. One might think he should have avoided being seen to be so chummy with a person representing a country that provided almost all of the perpetrators of 9-11. Members of the Bin Laden family were flown out even as Americans were grounded. Bush later destroyed Iraq which was a potential threat to SA at a cost of thousands of American lives lost and crippled as well as being quite expensive. What more could he have done for them? Trump had to play down and forget about the murder of the journalist by Saudis because our relationship with them is counted in the billions of dollars, way too much to let things like that get in the way. Also, he blusters against Iran to show SA we’re protecting them. Right now the smirking chimp Bush2 is the winner. Should conflict with Iran escalate into something serious then Trump comes to the front.

  22. OT: Rasmussen Reports say they think Matt Drudge sold the Drudge report, and they’re waiting for confirmation of this news. It would exchange a change in tone. But who would have bought it? Soros? This last year has seen an all-out war to shut down conservative media.

    • Replies: @prime noticer
    "Rasmussen Reports say they think Matt Drudge sold the Drudge report"

    at least all the extraneous, completely irrelevant fag stuff will be gone then. or well, maybe not all of it. but a lot of it will. Drudge was a homo, and couldn't resist putting in headlines about ultra obscure, totally unimportant fag world stuff in between the real news items.

    for years, before even the trans thing became mainstream thanks to democrats, Drudge was posting about 50 person drag queen events in LA that nobody in LA even heard about, or giving us updates on what RuPaul was up to, in between headlines about coups in South America and backroom deals in Congress. as if they were notable happenings on par with geopolitical events.

    he also liked to post utterly tabloid stuff such as exorcisms, witch craft, 'modern vampires!', and about extremely obscure fads that NOBODY was doing or talking about (Celery Juice Diet New Rage...et cetera) as well as sticking in a few garbage news items (Woman kicked off flight for farting too loud...).

  23. @Rosie

    They’re both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change)
     
    https://www.cars.com/articles/whos-more-prone-to-fatal-crashes-men-or-women-1420695771195/

    Spoiler alert: Men are far more prone to fatal car crashes than women. The highest percentage of fatalities with a female driver was in New Hampshire at 30%.

    Did that study correct for velocity and drinking?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Did that study correct for velocity and drinking?
     
    Why would it?
  24. @J.Ross
    Borderline dishonest comparison.
    Saudis had a coup. There's Old Saudis and New Saudis. Trump is tied closely to and ensuring support of the New Saudis -- who dethroned, arrested, tortured, and imprisoned or killed the Old Saudis. They're both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change) and the other are pretty much violent criminal scum out of a comic book.
    The Old Saudis featured prominently in a huge inter-agency/academic investigation into child sex trafficking and pedophile grooming, which was reported in mainstream media and can still be read online -- but which is largely forgotten because it was, by remarkable coincidence, published the day before that other big thing the old Saudis did to us.
    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis (Chief New Saudi MbS is uncontroversially known to have been in town and on security camera footage, Old Saudis are uncontroversially known to be the owners of a section of the hotel immediately above the shooting site).
    The Bushes and Old Saudis were joked about as blood ("Bandar Bush"), and secretly enabled possible criminals (or material witnesses) to totally escape questioning at a time when that would have helped (and when sich questioning would have been, at its most futile, the decent thing to do). Trump made a verbal statement, and it was a verbal statement confirming the gap between the factions, after a much, much smaller event.
    Aforementioned pizza report:
    https://pdfhost.io/v/[email protected]_Microsoft_Word_Complete_CSEC_020220doc.pdf

    The Old vs. New Saudi storyline is nonsense. MBS is no better than the old guard, just younger and more realistic about the problems Saudi Arabia is about to face.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    One of those two attacked us on IX/XI and took our kids as sex toys.
    The other might well prove as bad, but they have not done so yet.
    , @JimDandy
    They let women drive. That alone makes them better. Not letting women drive is stupid. When I go out and get all liquored up, my old lady drives me home. Because this is America.
    , @Jack Henson
    Considering it's you claiming this, I imagine J.Ross must be onto something.
    , @Nodwink
    It is indeed nonsense. This twitter thread shows how long Saudi's rulers have been tagged as "reformers" https://twitter.com/ReufBajrovic/status/1203475347892850690
  25. @Anon
    OT

    Weirder things have happened.

    21 year old black rapper Juice Wrld is dead. So far so good.

    ... After suffering a seizure in an airport lounge. Huh?

    What a pussy way to go for a black rapper!

    He was an connoisseur of the urban artist’s favorite beverage, Purple Drank. While over consumption usually leads to cardiac arrest, seizure have been known to occur.

  26. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Old vs. New Saudi storyline is nonsense. MBS is no better than the old guard, just younger and more realistic about the problems Saudi Arabia is about to face.

    One of those two attacked us on IX/XI and took our kids as sex toys.
    The other might well prove as bad, but they have not done so yet.

  27. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Old vs. New Saudi storyline is nonsense. MBS is no better than the old guard, just younger and more realistic about the problems Saudi Arabia is about to face.

    They let women drive. That alone makes them better. Not letting women drive is stupid. When I go out and get all liquored up, my old lady drives me home. Because this is America.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @miss marple
    And just how funny are your all-liquored-up jokes?
    , @Rosie

    They let women drive. That alone makes them better. Not letting women drive is stupid. When I go out and get all liquored up, my old lady drives me home.
     
    Of course, there's also the grocery shopping, practices, doctor's appointments, etc.

    Sometimes stupid male commentators on this site don't think through the practicalities of their agenda.
  28. @Mr. Anon
    OT - Doing the jobs Americans won't do.

    Such as staging coup d'etats in their home countries:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-marine-who-smuggled-guns-haiti-wanted-take-over-country-become-president

    The guy hadn’t thought about the x-ray luggage scanner. It’s been clarified that he was never in the military.

    https://sentinel.ht/post/news/crime/11514-haitian-american-with-small-arsenal-of-weapons-arrested-at-toussaint-louverture

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  29. @Anon
    OT: Rasmussen Reports say they think Matt Drudge sold the Drudge report, and they're waiting for confirmation of this news. It would exchange a change in tone. But who would have bought it? Soros? This last year has seen an all-out war to shut down conservative media.

    “Rasmussen Reports say they think Matt Drudge sold the Drudge report”

    at least all the extraneous, completely irrelevant fag stuff will be gone then. or well, maybe not all of it. but a lot of it will. Drudge was a homo, and couldn’t resist putting in headlines about ultra obscure, totally unimportant fag world stuff in between the real news items.

    for years, before even the trans thing became mainstream thanks to democrats, Drudge was posting about 50 person drag queen events in LA that nobody in LA even heard about, or giving us updates on what RuPaul was up to, in between headlines about coups in South America and backroom deals in Congress. as if they were notable happenings on par with geopolitical events.

    he also liked to post utterly tabloid stuff such as exorcisms, witch craft, ‘modern vampires!’, and about extremely obscure fads that NOBODY was doing or talking about (Celery Juice Diet New Rage…et cetera) as well as sticking in a few garbage news items (Woman kicked off flight for farting too loud…).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Drudge always linked to articles about people getting eaten by animals. There are few concepts more galvanizing to the human mind than getting eaten by animals.
  30. @Reg Cæsar

    US Marine Who Smuggled Guns To Haiti Wanted To Take Over Country, Become President
     
    It's difficult to see how he would be any worse than what's there now, or at at other time in the pastcentury.

    coup d’etats
     
    Coups d'etats. Or, if it's a serial thing, as in Haïti, coups d'etat.

    Well, pardon my French.

    • LOL: AnalogMan
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    If it were Eva Perón, would it be coup des tatas?
  31. But what’s the motivation to protect the Saudis now? We aren’t that dependent on their oil anymore and they need our protection more than ever. So why are our presidents so submissive to them?

    • Replies: @miss marple
    Short answer: The government's lying; we're still dependent on Saudi oil.

    I've discovered what we do has become an ever more reliable indicator than what we say.
    , @Throwawaywoc4Po

    But what’s the motivation to protect the Saudis now?
     
    Keep the world's price of oil down. Even if we're self-sufficient, the domestic price is still set by the overall world price.

    We also built a lot of refineries that are tuned for processing the heavy, sour crude that's found in the Gulf of Mexico, and in Mexico and Venezuela. Socialism has decreased the supply from both those countries, including their offshore drilling, so it's more economic for us to sell a lot of the light, sweet crude we get from fracking to other countries that aren't set up to process heavy, sour crude, and import heavy, sour crude from countries further away than the Caribbean basin. The Saudi crude grades include heavy, sour ones, and even if we aren't buying directly from them, it's still a world wide marketplace.
  32. @JimDandy
    They let women drive. That alone makes them better. Not letting women drive is stupid. When I go out and get all liquored up, my old lady drives me home. Because this is America.

    And just how funny are your all-liquored-up jokes?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    Drunk or sober, it's impossible to objectively rate my hilarity. Some audience members have biases, you see.
  33. @prime noticer
    "Rasmussen Reports say they think Matt Drudge sold the Drudge report"

    at least all the extraneous, completely irrelevant fag stuff will be gone then. or well, maybe not all of it. but a lot of it will. Drudge was a homo, and couldn't resist putting in headlines about ultra obscure, totally unimportant fag world stuff in between the real news items.

    for years, before even the trans thing became mainstream thanks to democrats, Drudge was posting about 50 person drag queen events in LA that nobody in LA even heard about, or giving us updates on what RuPaul was up to, in between headlines about coups in South America and backroom deals in Congress. as if they were notable happenings on par with geopolitical events.

    he also liked to post utterly tabloid stuff such as exorcisms, witch craft, 'modern vampires!', and about extremely obscure fads that NOBODY was doing or talking about (Celery Juice Diet New Rage...et cetera) as well as sticking in a few garbage news items (Woman kicked off flight for farting too loud...).

    Drudge always linked to articles about people getting eaten by animals. There are few concepts more galvanizing to the human mind than getting eaten by animals.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There are few concepts more galvanizing to the human mind than getting eaten by animals.
     
    In China, getting eaten by other Chinese. Probably because they'll eat any beast that walks, swims, slithers, or flies.
  34. @RichardTaylor
    But what's the motivation to protect the Saudis now? We aren't that dependent on their oil anymore and they need our protection more than ever. So why are our presidents so submissive to them?

    Short answer: The government’s lying; we’re still dependent on Saudi oil.

    I’ve discovered what we do has become an ever more reliable indicator than what we say.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It depends what you mean by "depend". As far as actual imports of Saudi oil to the US, not that much is imported anymore. Even if it completely stopped, we would be OK. But OTOH, there is a world market and a world market price for oil. If the Saudis stopped pumping this would reduce worldwide supply and the price would shoot up everywhere. Expensive energy is not good for the US economy.
  35. @Mr. Anon
    Well, pardon my French.

    If it were Eva Perón, would it be coup des tatas?

  36. @Steve Sailer
    Drudge always linked to articles about people getting eaten by animals. There are few concepts more galvanizing to the human mind than getting eaten by animals.

    There are few concepts more galvanizing to the human mind than getting eaten by animals.

    In China, getting eaten by other Chinese. Probably because they’ll eat any beast that walks, swims, slithers, or flies.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
    A Chinese ex had a joke she enjoyed telling: "What do the Chinese call anything with legs?

    Lunch."
  37. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Old vs. New Saudi storyline is nonsense. MBS is no better than the old guard, just younger and more realistic about the problems Saudi Arabia is about to face.

    Considering it’s you claiming this, I imagine J.Ross must be onto something.

  38. @Reg Cæsar

    There are few concepts more galvanizing to the human mind than getting eaten by animals.
     
    In China, getting eaten by other Chinese. Probably because they'll eat any beast that walks, swims, slithers, or flies.

    A Chinese ex had a joke she enjoyed telling: “What do the Chinese call anything with legs?

    Lunch.”

  39. @J.Ross
    Borderline dishonest comparison.
    Saudis had a coup. There's Old Saudis and New Saudis. Trump is tied closely to and ensuring support of the New Saudis -- who dethroned, arrested, tortured, and imprisoned or killed the Old Saudis. They're both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change) and the other are pretty much violent criminal scum out of a comic book.
    The Old Saudis featured prominently in a huge inter-agency/academic investigation into child sex trafficking and pedophile grooming, which was reported in mainstream media and can still be read online -- but which is largely forgotten because it was, by remarkable coincidence, published the day before that other big thing the old Saudis did to us.
    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis (Chief New Saudi MbS is uncontroversially known to have been in town and on security camera footage, Old Saudis are uncontroversially known to be the owners of a section of the hotel immediately above the shooting site).
    The Bushes and Old Saudis were joked about as blood ("Bandar Bush"), and secretly enabled possible criminals (or material witnesses) to totally escape questioning at a time when that would have helped (and when sich questioning would have been, at its most futile, the decent thing to do). Trump made a verbal statement, and it was a verbal statement confirming the gap between the factions, after a much, much smaller event.
    Aforementioned pizza report:
    https://pdfhost.io/v/[email protected]_Microsoft_Word_Complete_CSEC_020220doc.pdf

    Agree w you strongly regarding the Vegas incident…..serious question though….of what Saudi child grooming scandal are you referring? Never heard of that before.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    See pdf link (can be read without downloading).
  40. @Clyde
    Yeah Bush 2 for the same reason. With the new line Saudi prince in charge we need them as a counter weight against Shiite Iran and Russian dominance of the Middle East. Include the ChiComs too. All you wannabee isolationists will be crying in your beer if Russia-China-Iran end our Dollar Dominant reserve currency.

    Ending the world reserve currency status of the dollar would be painful but it needs to happen. Foreign goods will double in price but the US will be an attractive place to manufacture.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    True enough, but when you start looking into the weeds, it ain't gonna happen. The potential replacement currency being touted always has worse issues than the dollar.
  41. @Anonymous
    Ending the world reserve currency status of the dollar would be painful but it needs to happen. Foreign goods will double in price but the US will be an attractive place to manufacture.

    True enough, but when you start looking into the weeds, it ain’t gonna happen. The potential replacement currency being touted always has worse issues than the dollar.

  42. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Old vs. New Saudi storyline is nonsense. MBS is no better than the old guard, just younger and more realistic about the problems Saudi Arabia is about to face.

    It is indeed nonsense. This twitter thread shows how long Saudi’s rulers have been tagged as “reformers” https://twitter.com/ReufBajrovic/status/1203475347892850690

  43. @Clyde
    Yeah Bush 2 for the same reason. With the new line Saudi prince in charge we need them as a counter weight against Shiite Iran and Russian dominance of the Middle East. Include the ChiComs too. All you wannabee isolationists will be crying in your beer if Russia-China-Iran end our Dollar Dominant reserve currency.

    The petrodollar/reserve currency is falling on its own without any help from other currencies. You watch too much Foxnews and CNN. Good luck trying to push this MSM view here.

  44. @J.Ross
    Borderline dishonest comparison.
    Saudis had a coup. There's Old Saudis and New Saudis. Trump is tied closely to and ensuring support of the New Saudis -- who dethroned, arrested, tortured, and imprisoned or killed the Old Saudis. They're both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change) and the other are pretty much violent criminal scum out of a comic book.
    The Old Saudis featured prominently in a huge inter-agency/academic investigation into child sex trafficking and pedophile grooming, which was reported in mainstream media and can still be read online -- but which is largely forgotten because it was, by remarkable coincidence, published the day before that other big thing the old Saudis did to us.
    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis (Chief New Saudi MbS is uncontroversially known to have been in town and on security camera footage, Old Saudis are uncontroversially known to be the owners of a section of the hotel immediately above the shooting site).
    The Bushes and Old Saudis were joked about as blood ("Bandar Bush"), and secretly enabled possible criminals (or material witnesses) to totally escape questioning at a time when that would have helped (and when sich questioning would have been, at its most futile, the decent thing to do). Trump made a verbal statement, and it was a verbal statement confirming the gap between the factions, after a much, much smaller event.
    Aforementioned pizza report:
    https://pdfhost.io/v/[email protected]_Microsoft_Word_Complete_CSEC_020220doc.pdf

    The ‘new Saudis’ are trying to ‘fly straight’ in the same way the ‘new Jews’ are trying to ‘fly straight.’

  45. @Pincher Martin
    Rosie, as usual for your sex, you don't listen. We men only speed and drive recklessly because of your incessant chatter.

    I think Rosie is right, although the chatter business is certainly a reality. All those studies that feminists like that show men interrupting women more often than the reverse? Well, isn’t it because women keep talking and talking and talking long after they’ve said what they mean? But, Pincher Martin, admit that as a man you like to test your limits. For instance, when I crumple a piece of paper I like to see if I can toss it into the basket from across the room. How many men have not tried at least once to see how far from the toilet they can piss? I think we are more skillful drivers — not to mention parkers and 3-point-turners than women — hands down, but that isn’t the same as safer.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    . How many men have not tried at least once to see how far from the toilet they can piss? I think we are more skillful drivers — not to mention parkers and 3-point-turners than women — hands down, but that isn’t the same as safer
     
    It's very big of you to be honest. I also think that men are more skillful drivers than women, though I don't think that really matters all that much when you're just doing everyday driving. And besides, greater caution more than compensates.

    There is a clear agenda among certain commentators here to find reasons to impose severe restrictions on women and they will deny obvious empirical facts in order to justify those.

  46. @Daniel H
    Is it possible/likely that the Saudis were the source of Jeffrey Epstein's (so far, unaccounted for) stupendous wealth?

    What, are the Saudis running Mossad now?

  47. I’ll go with Bush 2 due to the magnitude of the slaughter. However very disappointing reaction from Trump, at the very least they should cancel the training classes of Saudi nationals.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    There is a big long article in the NY Times today about how one of the Pensacola instructors called the Saudi shooter "Porn Stash" in class one day because he had a big mustache. Bestowing humorous nicknames is actually a sign of (brotherly) affection in Western culture but the Saudi took it as a grave insult and filed a formal complaint. This was back in April.

    The NY Times tried to make it sound as if this was the cause of the shooting last week (see it's really our fault) but I think that they are completely unrelated. In the interim, the shooter had a long visit back home in Saudi Arabia and when he came back, people noticed that he had become "more religious". In Arabs, suddenly becoming fanatically religious is a sign that you are about to go all jihad.

    The complaint itself is hilarious - in past times such a complaint would not be accepted or dismissed immediately but of course nowadays you have to take stuff like this seriously and go thru a formal process.

    , @iffen
    at the very least they should cancel the training classes of Saudi nationals.

    What?!

    And force us to bomb the Houthis ourselves.

    I don't think so, Tim.
    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    I remember Trump was freaking out about "RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM" back in 2016.

    Now, he says nothing and looks the other way as a bunch of Saudis launched a terror attack. Another gravely concerning thing is about why the flight school is full of people named Mohammed anyways.
  48. @J.Ross
    Epstein was insanely connected but -- perhaps my shortfall -- I don't recall seeing one Arab name. Plus Saudis have their own channels (see above) and have since forever. But maybe.
    Bonus: feel the anger flow through you, feel it turn to hatred:
    https://postimg.cc/bdtzc5dJ

    Epstein was in the business of blackmail…

    Hard to blackmail a muzzie for doing what muzzies consider a right.

    “Hey, I’ve got video of you and that 14 year old…

    Awesome, can I see it?”

  49. @J.Ross
    Borderline dishonest comparison.
    Saudis had a coup. There's Old Saudis and New Saudis. Trump is tied closely to and ensuring support of the New Saudis -- who dethroned, arrested, tortured, and imprisoned or killed the Old Saudis. They're both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change) and the other are pretty much violent criminal scum out of a comic book.
    The Old Saudis featured prominently in a huge inter-agency/academic investigation into child sex trafficking and pedophile grooming, which was reported in mainstream media and can still be read online -- but which is largely forgotten because it was, by remarkable coincidence, published the day before that other big thing the old Saudis did to us.
    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis (Chief New Saudi MbS is uncontroversially known to have been in town and on security camera footage, Old Saudis are uncontroversially known to be the owners of a section of the hotel immediately above the shooting site).
    The Bushes and Old Saudis were joked about as blood ("Bandar Bush"), and secretly enabled possible criminals (or material witnesses) to totally escape questioning at a time when that would have helped (and when sich questioning would have been, at its most futile, the decent thing to do). Trump made a verbal statement, and it was a verbal statement confirming the gap between the factions, after a much, much smaller event.
    Aforementioned pizza report:
    https://pdfhost.io/v/[email protected]_Microsoft_Word_Complete_CSEC_020220doc.pdf

    In the pdf report you linked, there isn’t a single mention of Saudi Arabia.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Right, my sloppiness, but not my error. Saudi Arabia would be high on any list of customer states for child sex trafficking. The report doesn't go down that rabbit hole because it's already covering plenty more within this country. Why then bother with it? Because, while pizzagate started with evidence which has never been properly investigated or followed up on, critics are right to point out that it never got past photographs which might have a reasonable explanation (they don't). Proof for the charge that Saudis buy kids is not one which might be demonstrable to the degree shown in the report, but I'm also not really worried about that charge. A titanic child trafficking infrastructure, on the other hand, is an extraordinary claim -- this is not a compilation of one-offs, this is a nationwide network, a subculture into which people are converted like a religion. Among their activities will be sales and exporting, and among the customers will be Riyadh. Anyone who has read about the Finders or seen the Gunderson presentation will value this report, especially the part about this subculture programmatically having children to abuse and sell.
  50. @Reg Cæsar
    Men are more likely to drive at night, or on the job, or worst of all, at night on the job. That tends to skew the figures.

    Staying home with the kids leads to lower compensation, but the lower risk of fatality, well, compensates for that.

    Men are more likely to drive at night, or on the job, or worst of all, at night on the job. That tends to skew the figures.

    They’re also more likely to drive drunk, just as they are more likely to engage in any other criminal activity.

    http://www.drunkdrivingstats.org/menversuswomendrunkdrivingstatistics.html

  51. @JimDandy
    They let women drive. That alone makes them better. Not letting women drive is stupid. When I go out and get all liquored up, my old lady drives me home. Because this is America.

    They let women drive. That alone makes them better. Not letting women drive is stupid. When I go out and get all liquored up, my old lady drives me home.

    Of course, there’s also the grocery shopping, practices, doctor’s appointments, etc.

    Sometimes stupid male commentators on this site don’t think through the practicalities of their agenda.

  52. @International Jew
    Did that study correct for velocity and drinking?

    Did that study correct for velocity and drinking?

    Why would it?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Sorry, that's just my wonky way of saying what others her said more straightforwardly: Yeah guys get into more fatal wrecks, but women would get into even more than that, if they drank and drove fast like guys.
  53. @Kronos
    That award probably go’s to George W. Bush. 9/11 could’ve turned out a lot worse for the Saudi Monarchy. Instead, Iraq and Afghanistan received the full blunt of US public/establishment military/media outrage.

    I’d wager both Bush I and Trump possessed more leverage over the Saudi Monarchy during their presidencies than Bush II. Bush senior had leverage over the highly successful (first) Gulf War. The collapse of the Soviet Union also created a large diplomatic power vacuum.

    Trump benefited from the the fracking/natural gas revolution. It provides more US independence from Middle East oil but oil dependence is still substantial.

    Bush II got sandwiched between the Neocons (hated Iraq and Iran more than Saudi Arabia) and the stock market plunge from 9/11. Some group needed to be blamed fast, with Iraq being the Neocons preferred target.

    https://farm1.staticflickr.com/111/293457625_10b568f7c7.jpg

    “…oil dependence is still substantial.”

    10%-11% in fact, which is not insubstantial. Still gotta make nice-nice to the towelheads I guess. At least for now.

  54. @BenKenobi
    My evergreen question about the Vegas Debacle:

    "who/what flew into/out of McCarran that night and at what times?"

    Hmmmm… .

  55. @Clyde
    Yeah Bush 2 for the same reason. With the new line Saudi prince in charge we need them as a counter weight against Shiite Iran and Russian dominance of the Middle East. Include the ChiComs too. All you wannabee isolationists will be crying in your beer if Russia-China-Iran end our Dollar Dominant reserve currency.

    ” With the new line Saudi prince in charge we need them as a counter weight against Shiite Iran and Russian dominance of the Middle East. Include the ChiComs too. All you wannabee isolationists will be crying in your beer if Russia-China-Iran end our Dollar Dominant reserve currency.”

    Okay Boomer. Did you just wander in here by accident from Breitbart? I doubt there’s a single person here who doesn’t believe that the US has got it coming, good and hard.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Where do you live? I live in America and like having the US Dollar as the premier world reserve currency. US Dollar dominance works out great for us here. You prefer the Russian Ruble or Chinese Yuan, or both? If you actually live in America, were you born here? If so, I will mark you down for self hating goofball.

    The Chinese rulers would love to have the Yuan as the world's premier reserve currency because they know how the economic world works. They are working hard for this.

  56. @Lot
    While the Saudis have their flaws to be sure, they sure do know how to make and keep friends.

    http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/52efc6ff6bb3f77e043e1f5e-960/esurance-cash-pile.jpg

    Semi LOL … except this pic is so obviously supposed to be Mexican drug cartel money.

  57. @Rosie
    Bo, its because you're more reckless, as evidenced by your greater likelihood of getting speeding tickets and reckless driving citations. Lemme guess, this is just anti-male persecution of men who dindu nuffin.

    https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/cost-of-motoring/women-really-are-safer-drivers

    • LOL: BenKenobi, Rosie
  58. @J.Ross
    The funniest thing about that is that it's Haiti: a properly supplied rifle squad with open comms is probably all you'd need.

    Maybe Haiti would have been better off if he had succeeded in overthrowing the government…

    At this point, I don’t think the country could be worse off no matter what happened.

    Perhaps they could use a benevolent dictatorship like Singapore and Rwanda have in place.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    Perhaps they could use a benevolent dictatorship
     
    I had a Haitian cab driver in Miami ("Haitian Miami cab driver" is sort of repetitive I guess) who told me he thought what Haiti needed was a white dictator. I just kind of chuckled then he said "No! I am serious!" and went on and on about how blacks can't govern themselves ("No where has this ever worked!") and how replacing the current black guy running things with a different black guy is not going to change anything.

    I think Trump should consider hiring that cabbie. Maybe as Sec of Education or HUD/HHS/whatever. Or Secy of State.
  59. @J.Ross
    Borderline dishonest comparison.
    Saudis had a coup. There's Old Saudis and New Saudis. Trump is tied closely to and ensuring support of the New Saudis -- who dethroned, arrested, tortured, and imprisoned or killed the Old Saudis. They're both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change) and the other are pretty much violent criminal scum out of a comic book.
    The Old Saudis featured prominently in a huge inter-agency/academic investigation into child sex trafficking and pedophile grooming, which was reported in mainstream media and can still be read online -- but which is largely forgotten because it was, by remarkable coincidence, published the day before that other big thing the old Saudis did to us.
    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis (Chief New Saudi MbS is uncontroversially known to have been in town and on security camera footage, Old Saudis are uncontroversially known to be the owners of a section of the hotel immediately above the shooting site).
    The Bushes and Old Saudis were joked about as blood ("Bandar Bush"), and secretly enabled possible criminals (or material witnesses) to totally escape questioning at a time when that would have helped (and when sich questioning would have been, at its most futile, the decent thing to do). Trump made a verbal statement, and it was a verbal statement confirming the gap between the factions, after a much, much smaller event.
    Aforementioned pizza report:
    https://pdfhost.io/v/[email protected]_Microsoft_Word_Complete_CSEC_020220doc.pdf

    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis

    If that’s the closest we’re going to get then it’s not very close. All you have is hand waving – a Saudi once stayed in a hotel down the block, a paddock is a place where horses are kept and Saudis like horses, etc. It doesn’t even meet the usual low conspiracy theory threshold of “cui bono?” I would love to pin Las Vegas on the Arabs but Stephen Paddock was an all-American boy.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    I would love to pin Las Vegas on the Arabs

    Why?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    and Saudis like horses, etc.
     
    They have little choice. The royal family has taken all the women.
    , @J.Ross
    >it doesn't meet cui bono
    Try reading it, it's pretty self-explanatory.
    >it would be nice if the FBI actually investigated things
    I agree.
  60. @RichardTaylor
    But what's the motivation to protect the Saudis now? We aren't that dependent on their oil anymore and they need our protection more than ever. So why are our presidents so submissive to them?

    But what’s the motivation to protect the Saudis now?

    Keep the world’s price of oil down. Even if we’re self-sufficient, the domestic price is still set by the overall world price.

    We also built a lot of refineries that are tuned for processing the heavy, sour crude that’s found in the Gulf of Mexico, and in Mexico and Venezuela. Socialism has decreased the supply from both those countries, including their offshore drilling, so it’s more economic for us to sell a lot of the light, sweet crude we get from fracking to other countries that aren’t set up to process heavy, sour crude, and import heavy, sour crude from countries further away than the Caribbean basin. The Saudi crude grades include heavy, sour ones, and even if we aren’t buying directly from them, it’s still a world wide marketplace.

  61. @Lot
    While the Saudis have their flaws to be sure, they sure do know how to make and keep friends.

    http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/52efc6ff6bb3f77e043e1f5e-960/esurance-cash-pile.jpg

    Is that the pallet of 100s Israel
    made off with from Iraq?

  62. @Ed
    I’ll go with Bush 2 due to the magnitude of the slaughter. However very disappointing reaction from Trump, at the very least they should cancel the training classes of Saudi nationals.

    There is a big long article in the NY Times today about how one of the Pensacola instructors called the Saudi shooter “Porn Stash” in class one day because he had a big mustache. Bestowing humorous nicknames is actually a sign of (brotherly) affection in Western culture but the Saudi took it as a grave insult and filed a formal complaint. This was back in April.

    The NY Times tried to make it sound as if this was the cause of the shooting last week (see it’s really our fault) but I think that they are completely unrelated. In the interim, the shooter had a long visit back home in Saudi Arabia and when he came back, people noticed that he had become “more religious”. In Arabs, suddenly becoming fanatically religious is a sign that you are about to go all jihad.

    The complaint itself is hilarious – in past times such a complaint would not be accepted or dismissed immediately but of course nowadays you have to take stuff like this seriously and go thru a formal process.

  63. @miss marple
    Short answer: The government's lying; we're still dependent on Saudi oil.

    I've discovered what we do has become an ever more reliable indicator than what we say.

    It depends what you mean by “depend”. As far as actual imports of Saudi oil to the US, not that much is imported anymore. Even if it completely stopped, we would be OK. But OTOH, there is a world market and a world market price for oil. If the Saudis stopped pumping this would reduce worldwide supply and the price would shoot up everywhere. Expensive energy is not good for the US economy.

    • Replies: @miss marple
    I've noticed a lot of surprising supranational alliances that could be private/plutocratic or government/oligarchic. The warm relationship we have with the Saudis is probably the most obvious example, similarly, the us has a longstanding relationship with the Philippines although for different reasons. Even more interesting are countries we should ally ourselves to but don't. We have a somewhat cold, distant relationship to Hungary for instance. I'm also intrigued by our reaction to the protests in Hong Kong. Times like these make me wish I'd studied journalism in college. Especially wrt the Saudis, I sense something important yet repugnant needs to be uncovered by good old-fashioned investigative reporting.
    , @Anonymous
    Expensive energy ungood, expensive oil less ungood. We have a glut of natgas and coal. Putting freight where it belongs on the choo choo and off the interstate and building out the CNG infrastructure for vehicles happens when oil is high. Also people start thinking about stuff like CNG plug in hybrids and methanol.

    Long term we need nuclear and a lot more of it, preferably thorium.
  64. @Reg Cæsar
    Men are more likely to drive at night, or on the job, or worst of all, at night on the job. That tends to skew the figures.

    Staying home with the kids leads to lower compensation, but the lower risk of fatality, well, compensates for that.

    No, there is no skewering. Just face it, men need to man up and eschew the aggression, the fellating of cops and soldier boys, the jerking off to guns, the thuggery, the video games, and violence.

    ONLY COWARDS love speeding, getting in fights, and wearing the uniform of Caesar.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    No, there is no skewering. Just face it, men need to man up and eschew the aggression, the fellating of cops and soldier boys, the jerking off to guns, the thuggery, the video games, and violence.
     
    Uh, a lot of us do. I put off getting a driver's license for years to avoid paying astronomical insurance rates because I knew from taking and passing driver's ed that I was a particularly careful driver. I see the same caution in my sons.

    The problem isn't discrimination, it's insufficient discrimination. Somehow they could distinguish between the sexes, but not within them. I suspect it was laziness or greed on the insurers' part, or both. Should every alumnus of Lakeside School be taxed at the top bracket just because of Bill Gates and Paul Allen?

    the fellating of cops and soldier boys
     
    Will you help me try to get FDR removed from the dime for his sadistic, bloodthirsty war crimes? What was wrong with Liberty, anyway?
  65. https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ike-was-pro-israel-heres-why/

    August 1958 memorandum submitted to the National Security Council by the NSC Planning Board:

    “It is doubtful whether any likely US pressure on Israel would cause Israel to make concessions which would do much to satisfy Arab demands which—in the final analysis—may not be satisfied by anything short of the destruction of Israel. Moreover, if we choose to combat radical Arab nationalism and to hold Persian Gulf oil by force if necessary, then a logical corollary would be to support Israel as the only pro-West power left in the Near East.”

    Unfortunately the Israelis are useless, and a destabilizing influence on the whole region just as Eisenhower feared.

    When Saudi citizens do bad things to America it is because the average Saudi Arabian object to an infidel (American) Army being in Saudi Arabia to protect The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques (ie Saudi family dictatorship) from another Muslim country. So when Bin Laden did 9/11 Iraq had to be invaded to protect the Saud family dictatorship from its population by enabling the removal of the US army from Saudi Arabia.

    Having learned something, the US is avoiding sending its sending the 12,000 strong extra troops for the Middle East just announced to to Saudi Arabia, but it is Saudi Arabia they will be protecting (as best they can without being there). Which is not very well. Fracking is an artifact of qualitative easing, the US must preserve its reserves.

    However Trump cannot go to war before the election. Iran will be hit afterward, whoever is in the White House.

    Online petition urging Donald Trump to make porn star Mia Khalifa the US ambassador to Saudi Arabia goes viral.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10245348/lindsay-lohan-saudi-prince-not-dating-michael-lohan/ LINDSAY Lohan is NOT in a secret sexual relationship with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, her father has said.

    Michael Lohan told Page Six his daughter’s unlikely friendship with the controversial royal is “platonic and respectful.”


    “Angels are the strongest of created beings, and women are closer to the angelic nature than men, as they are readier than men to carry angelic light,”

    • Replies: @anon
    Online petition urging Donald Trump to make porn star Mia Khalifa the US ambassador to Saudi Arabia goes viral.

    Perfect!
  66. @Jack D
    It depends what you mean by "depend". As far as actual imports of Saudi oil to the US, not that much is imported anymore. Even if it completely stopped, we would be OK. But OTOH, there is a world market and a world market price for oil. If the Saudis stopped pumping this would reduce worldwide supply and the price would shoot up everywhere. Expensive energy is not good for the US economy.

    I’ve noticed a lot of surprising supranational alliances that could be private/plutocratic or government/oligarchic. The warm relationship we have with the Saudis is probably the most obvious example, similarly, the us has a longstanding relationship with the Philippines although for different reasons. Even more interesting are countries we should ally ourselves to but don’t. We have a somewhat cold, distant relationship to Hungary for instance. I’m also intrigued by our reaction to the protests in Hong Kong. Times like these make me wish I’d studied journalism in college. Especially wrt the Saudis, I sense something important yet repugnant needs to be uncovered by good old-fashioned investigative reporting.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    One interesting thing I've noticed: the children of Chinese elites go to school with and interact with the children of our elites. The children of Russian elites do not.
  67. @Jack D

    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis
     
    If that's the closest we're going to get then it's not very close. All you have is hand waving - a Saudi once stayed in a hotel down the block, a paddock is a place where horses are kept and Saudis like horses, etc. It doesn't even meet the usual low conspiracy theory threshold of "cui bono?" I would love to pin Las Vegas on the Arabs but Stephen Paddock was an all-American boy.

    I would love to pin Las Vegas on the Arabs

    Why?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Because then we wouldn't have to examine if there was anything wrong with America or white people or the culture of gun ownership or anything like that - we could just blame it on some foreign force.
  68. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    It depends what you mean by "depend". As far as actual imports of Saudi oil to the US, not that much is imported anymore. Even if it completely stopped, we would be OK. But OTOH, there is a world market and a world market price for oil. If the Saudis stopped pumping this would reduce worldwide supply and the price would shoot up everywhere. Expensive energy is not good for the US economy.

    Expensive energy ungood, expensive oil less ungood. We have a glut of natgas and coal. Putting freight where it belongs on the choo choo and off the interstate and building out the CNG infrastructure for vehicles happens when oil is high. Also people start thinking about stuff like CNG plug in hybrids and methanol.

    Long term we need nuclear and a lot more of it, preferably thorium.

  69. @Neoconned
    Agree w you strongly regarding the Vegas incident.....serious question though....of what Saudi child grooming scandal are you referring? Never heard of that before.

    See pdf link (can be read without downloading).

  70. @Sean
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ike-was-pro-israel-heres-why/

    August 1958 memorandum submitted to the National Security Council by the NSC Planning Board:

    “It is doubtful whether any likely US pressure on Israel would cause Israel to make concessions which would do much to satisfy Arab demands which—in the final analysis—may not be satisfied by anything short of the destruction of Israel. Moreover, if we choose to combat radical Arab nationalism and to hold Persian Gulf oil by force if necessary, then a logical corollary would be to support Israel as the only pro-West power left in the Near East.”
     

     
    Unfortunately the Israelis are useless, and a destabilizing influence on the whole region just as Eisenhower feared.

    When Saudi citizens do bad things to America it is because the average Saudi Arabian object to an infidel (American) Army being in Saudi Arabia to protect The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques (ie Saudi family dictatorship) from another Muslim country. So when Bin Laden did 9/11 Iraq had to be invaded to protect the Saud family dictatorship from its population by enabling the removal of the US army from Saudi Arabia.

    Having learned something, the US is avoiding sending its sending the 12,000 strong extra troops for the Middle East just announced to to Saudi Arabia, but it is Saudi Arabia they will be protecting (as best they can without being there). Which is not very well. Fracking is an artifact of qualitative easing, the US must preserve its reserves.

    https://youtu.be/MJ5utsDHP1U?t=771

    However Trump cannot go to war before the election. Iran will be hit afterward, whoever is in the White House.


    Online petition urging Donald Trump to make porn star Mia Khalifa the US ambassador to Saudi Arabia goes viral.
     

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10245348/lindsay-lohan-saudi-prince-not-dating-michael-lohan/ LINDSAY Lohan is NOT in a secret sexual relationship with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, her father has said.

    Michael Lohan told Page Six his daughter's unlikely friendship with the controversial royal is "platonic and respectful."
     

    http://i.dawn.com/primary/2016/10/580478efa2e27.jpg

    “Angels are the strongest of created beings, and women are closer to the angelic nature than men, as they are readier than men to carry angelic light,”

    Online petition urging Donald Trump to make porn star Mia Khalifa the US ambassador to Saudi Arabia goes viral.

    Perfect!

  71. @Ed
    I’ll go with Bush 2 due to the magnitude of the slaughter. However very disappointing reaction from Trump, at the very least they should cancel the training classes of Saudi nationals.

    at the very least they should cancel the training classes of Saudi nationals.

    What?!

    And force us to bomb the Houthis ourselves.

    I don’t think so, Tim.

  72. @nymom
    Maybe Haiti would have been better off if he had succeeded in overthrowing the government...

    At this point, I don't think the country could be worse off no matter what happened.

    Perhaps they could use a benevolent dictatorship like Singapore and Rwanda have in place.

    Perhaps they could use a benevolent dictatorship

    I had a Haitian cab driver in Miami (“Haitian Miami cab driver” is sort of repetitive I guess) who told me he thought what Haiti needed was a white dictator. I just kind of chuckled then he said “No! I am serious!” and went on and on about how blacks can’t govern themselves (“No where has this ever worked!”) and how replacing the current black guy running things with a different black guy is not going to change anything.

    I think Trump should consider hiring that cabbie. Maybe as Sec of Education or HUD/HHS/whatever. Or Secy of State.

  73. @anonymous
    In the pdf report you linked, there isn't a single mention of Saudi Arabia.

    Right, my sloppiness, but not my error. Saudi Arabia would be high on any list of customer states for child sex trafficking. The report doesn’t go down that rabbit hole because it’s already covering plenty more within this country. Why then bother with it? Because, while pizzagate started with evidence which has never been properly investigated or followed up on, critics are right to point out that it never got past photographs which might have a reasonable explanation (they don’t). Proof for the charge that Saudis buy kids is not one which might be demonstrable to the degree shown in the report, but I’m also not really worried about that charge. A titanic child trafficking infrastructure, on the other hand, is an extraordinary claim — this is not a compilation of one-offs, this is a nationwide network, a subculture into which people are converted like a religion. Among their activities will be sales and exporting, and among the customers will be Riyadh. Anyone who has read about the Finders or seen the Gunderson presentation will value this report, especially the part about this subculture programmatically having children to abuse and sell.

  74. @Rosie

    They’re both barbarians by our standards, but one is trying to fly straight (making unprecedented reforms like letting women drive, which, to judge by non-Saudi women drivers means they are laying their lives on the line for societal change)
     
    https://www.cars.com/articles/whos-more-prone-to-fatal-crashes-men-or-women-1420695771195/

    Spoiler alert: Men are far more prone to fatal car crashes than women. The highest percentage of fatalities with a female driver was in New Hampshire at 30%.

    Rosie, you are right of course, left totally unchecked men are natural born killers. Fortunately most often rearing & reason overcome the instinct. And fortunately if not just for entertainments sake that’s not always the case; perhaps even lesser so with the Saudi:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is that famous Islamic fatalism. If god wants to you crash he's going to cause a crash. If he doesn't you won't. It's therefore pointless (and impious) to drive carefully.
  75. Let me guess: they’re our second greatest ally?

    #OrangeManIdiot

  76. @bjondo
    I would love to pin Las Vegas on the Arabs

    Why?

    Because then we wouldn’t have to examine if there was anything wrong with America or white people or the culture of gun ownership or anything like that – we could just blame it on some foreign force.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    You notice the story immediately evaporated from the newspapers? IIRC, there was an e-mail leaked which had been sent from a Democratic Party insider to a reporter suggesting he drop the story. Remember Journ-O-List? It's amazing how co-ordinated they all are. It's a reasonable wager the media, advocacy groups, Democratic insiders, and PR firms who communicate with all of them figured they couldn't use the Las Vegas massacre for their usual news cycle manipulaitons. I'd be fascinated to know what gives.
  77. @Liberty Mike
    No, there is no skewering. Just face it, men need to man up and eschew the aggression, the fellating of cops and soldier boys, the jerking off to guns, the thuggery, the video games, and violence.

    ONLY COWARDS love speeding, getting in fights, and wearing the uniform of Caesar.

    No, there is no skewering. Just face it, men need to man up and eschew the aggression, the fellating of cops and soldier boys, the jerking off to guns, the thuggery, the video games, and violence.

    Uh, a lot of us do. I put off getting a driver’s license for years to avoid paying astronomical insurance rates because I knew from taking and passing driver’s ed that I was a particularly careful driver. I see the same caution in my sons.

    The problem isn’t discrimination, it’s insufficient discrimination. Somehow they could distinguish between the sexes, but not within them. I suspect it was laziness or greed on the insurers’ part, or both. Should every alumnus of Lakeside School be taxed at the top bracket just because of Bill Gates and Paul Allen?

    the fellating of cops and soldier boys

    Will you help me try to get FDR removed from the dime for his sadistic, bloodthirsty war crimes? What was wrong with Liberty, anyway?

  78. @Jack D

    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis
     
    If that's the closest we're going to get then it's not very close. All you have is hand waving - a Saudi once stayed in a hotel down the block, a paddock is a place where horses are kept and Saudis like horses, etc. It doesn't even meet the usual low conspiracy theory threshold of "cui bono?" I would love to pin Las Vegas on the Arabs but Stephen Paddock was an all-American boy.

    and Saudis like horses, etc.

    They have little choice. The royal family has taken all the women.

    • Replies: @Dissident


    and Saudis like horses, etc.
     
    They have little choice. The royal family has taken all the women.
     
    Old CAMEL cigarette Ad:
    Nine out of ten men who try CAMELs stick with them.

    To which the late Joe Franklin added:
    The rest go back to women.

  79. @Ed
    I’ll go with Bush 2 due to the magnitude of the slaughter. However very disappointing reaction from Trump, at the very least they should cancel the training classes of Saudi nationals.

    I remember Trump was freaking out about “RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM” back in 2016.

    Now, he says nothing and looks the other way as a bunch of Saudis launched a terror attack. Another gravely concerning thing is about why the flight school is full of people named Mohammed anyways.

  80. @Jack D
    Because then we wouldn't have to examine if there was anything wrong with America or white people or the culture of gun ownership or anything like that - we could just blame it on some foreign force.

    You notice the story immediately evaporated from the newspapers? IIRC, there was an e-mail leaked which had been sent from a Democratic Party insider to a reporter suggesting he drop the story. Remember Journ-O-List? It’s amazing how co-ordinated they all are. It’s a reasonable wager the media, advocacy groups, Democratic insiders, and PR firms who communicate with all of them figured they couldn’t use the Las Vegas massacre for their usual news cycle manipulaitons. I’d be fascinated to know what gives.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  81. @Johnny Smoggins
    " With the new line Saudi prince in charge we need them as a counter weight against Shiite Iran and Russian dominance of the Middle East. Include the ChiComs too. All you wannabee isolationists will be crying in your beer if Russia-China-Iran end our Dollar Dominant reserve currency."

    Okay Boomer. Did you just wander in here by accident from Breitbart? I doubt there's a single person here who doesn't believe that the US has got it coming, good and hard.

    Where do you live? I live in America and like having the US Dollar as the premier world reserve currency. US Dollar dominance works out great for us here. You prefer the Russian Ruble or Chinese Yuan, or both? If you actually live in America, were you born here? If so, I will mark you down for self hating goofball.

    The Chinese rulers would love to have the Yuan as the world’s premier reserve currency because they know how the economic world works. They are working hard for this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I would prefer a metallic standard or a basket of currencies, but the Swiss franc would probably be okay. Having the USD be the world reserve currency doubles its value and makes manufacturing in the US unattractive, and it gives our pols and elites ever more powerful delusions of empire.
  82. The Saudi’s have purchased F-15’s and AWACS and what not from the US.
    To learn to fly these magnificent machines, the US of A have (as it do for every ally) facilitated training areas.
    I think you’ll find that the Mohammedans are not over-represented in fatal crashes during training in the USA.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's a miracle when you think about it that he used a pistol as his weapon of choice and only managed to kill 3 when he was (I assume) going up all the time in aircraft. He could have easily decided to pull another 9/11 and gone for the base cafeteria or a local public school full of infidels. Mobile, Alabama is only 60 miles away and has its own 1/3 scale Empire State Building copy, the RSA Battle House Tower (RSA is the (government) Retirement System of Alabama which is apparently now the richest organization in Alabama).
  83. @Jack D

    And of course the closest thing to an explanation of the Vegas shooting we will ever get is a countercoup attempt by old Saudis
     
    If that's the closest we're going to get then it's not very close. All you have is hand waving - a Saudi once stayed in a hotel down the block, a paddock is a place where horses are kept and Saudis like horses, etc. It doesn't even meet the usual low conspiracy theory threshold of "cui bono?" I would love to pin Las Vegas on the Arabs but Stephen Paddock was an all-American boy.

    >it doesn’t meet cui bono
    Try reading it, it’s pretty self-explanatory.
    >it would be nice if the FBI actually investigated things
    I agree.

  84. Another gravely concerning thing is about why the flight school is full of people named Mohammed anyways.

    We have to teach them to fly over here, otherwise they’ll learn to fly over there. Or something. Ask GW Bush for details.

  85. @Tono Bungay
    I think Rosie is right, although the chatter business is certainly a reality. All those studies that feminists like that show men interrupting women more often than the reverse? Well, isn't it because women keep talking and talking and talking long after they've said what they mean? But, Pincher Martin, admit that as a man you like to test your limits. For instance, when I crumple a piece of paper I like to see if I can toss it into the basket from across the room. How many men have not tried at least once to see how far from the toilet they can piss? I think we are more skillful drivers -- not to mention parkers and 3-point-turners than women -- hands down, but that isn't the same as safer.

    . How many men have not tried at least once to see how far from the toilet they can piss? I think we are more skillful drivers — not to mention parkers and 3-point-turners than women — hands down, but that isn’t the same as safer

    It’s very big of you to be honest. I also think that men are more skillful drivers than women, though I don’t think that really matters all that much when you’re just doing everyday driving. And besides, greater caution more than compensates.

    There is a clear agenda among certain commentators here to find reasons to impose severe restrictions on women and they will deny obvious empirical facts in order to justify those.

  86. @miss marple
    And just how funny are your all-liquored-up jokes?

    Drunk or sober, it’s impossible to objectively rate my hilarity. Some audience members have biases, you see.

  87. @Anon
    OT

    Weirder things have happened.

    21 year old black rapper Juice Wrld is dead. So far so good.

    ... After suffering a seizure in an airport lounge. Huh?

    What a pussy way to go for a black rapper!

    Juice went like a man. How dare you call him a pussy. He would pop a cap in your cracker ass if he wasn’t currently dead.

    Juice Wrld died after ‘swallowing Percocet painkillers to HIDE them from cops’ after his private jet pilot phoned Chicago police to tell them the rapper was flying with 70 pounds of marijuana, hand guns and armor-piercing bullets

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7772929/Juice-Wrld-suffered-fatal-seizure-cops-searched-private-jet-70-pounds-marijuana.html

    Now Juice was perhaps not the smartest man ever but you can’t say that he wasn’t a manly man. He was clearly a man of action and initiative. America could really use more men like him but maybe with another 30 or 40 IQ points so they wouldn’t do really stupid things and would live past 21. Juice Wrld + 50 IQ points = Elon Musk. Why if we could breed a man with the coolness of the black race and the cleverness of the white, such a man might even become President.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke, Clyde
  88. @Yngvar
    The Saudi's have purchased F-15's and AWACS and what not from the US.
    To learn to fly these magnificent machines, the US of A have (as it do for every ally) facilitated training areas.
    I think you'll find that the Mohammedans are not over-represented in fatal crashes during training in the USA.

    It’s a miracle when you think about it that he used a pistol as his weapon of choice and only managed to kill 3 when he was (I assume) going up all the time in aircraft. He could have easily decided to pull another 9/11 and gone for the base cafeteria or a local public school full of infidels. Mobile, Alabama is only 60 miles away and has its own 1/3 scale Empire State Building copy, the RSA Battle House Tower (RSA is the (government) Retirement System of Alabama which is apparently now the richest organization in Alabama).

  89. @Reg Cæsar

    and Saudis like horses, etc.
     
    They have little choice. The royal family has taken all the women.

    and Saudis like horses, etc.

    They have little choice. The royal family has taken all the women.

    Old CAMEL cigarette Ad:
    Nine out of ten men who try CAMELs stick with them.

    To which the late Joe Franklin added:
    The rest go back to women.

  90. @Rosie

    Did that study correct for velocity and drinking?
     
    Why would it?

    Sorry, that’s just my wonky way of saying what others her said more straightforwardly: Yeah guys get into more fatal wrecks, but women would get into even more than that, if they drank and drove fast like guys.

  91. anon[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah guys get into more fatal wrecks, but women would get into even more than that, if they drank and drove fast like guys.

    No duh?

    “Women would have more life events turning out like men’s life events if women acted more like men”.

    Lol. We can see that in the STD rates, especially around college campuses, buuut not really the point.

    Women are not “men with boobs who can have babies”, no matter what the 57 flavors of Feminism may shriek on any given day. Men are more prone to take risks than women, including in driving, even now in the “You Go Girl” world. More risks -> higher accident rate. At least for ordinary drivers, I dunno about long haul trucks, especially things like tankers, wide / heavy etc. Those guys all have insurance bills so the maybe the risk-taking for them is inherent in the job, in the load, not the way they run.

    Look, the aggregate numbers don’t lie. Yah, even if you know some ditz who has had 3 fender benders in a year, even if your solid citizen brother has never had an accident in 20 years…the big, aggregate numbers are still there. More risks means higher chances of accident.

    It’s no accident that car rentals won’t even look at any man under 25.

  92. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    Where do you live? I live in America and like having the US Dollar as the premier world reserve currency. US Dollar dominance works out great for us here. You prefer the Russian Ruble or Chinese Yuan, or both? If you actually live in America, were you born here? If so, I will mark you down for self hating goofball.

    The Chinese rulers would love to have the Yuan as the world's premier reserve currency because they know how the economic world works. They are working hard for this.

    I would prefer a metallic standard or a basket of currencies, but the Swiss franc would probably be okay. Having the USD be the world reserve currency doubles its value and makes manufacturing in the US unattractive, and it gives our pols and elites ever more powerful delusions of empire.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    The downsides of the current US Dollar Dominance/reserve currency that you mention. These are true. You just might be right about the Dollars double value, a result of some reasons, including that we still have a great military that can project and all nations fear it.
  93. @danand
    Rosie, you are right of course, left totally unchecked men are natural born killers. Fortunately most often rearing & reason overcome the instinct. And fortunately if not just for entertainments sake that’s not always the case; perhaps even lesser so with the Saudi:

    https://youtu.be/BE61mYTFraQ

    This is that famous Islamic fatalism. If god wants to you crash he’s going to cause a crash. If he doesn’t you won’t. It’s therefore pointless (and impious) to drive carefully.

  94. @Anonymous
    I would prefer a metallic standard or a basket of currencies, but the Swiss franc would probably be okay. Having the USD be the world reserve currency doubles its value and makes manufacturing in the US unattractive, and it gives our pols and elites ever more powerful delusions of empire.

    The downsides of the current US Dollar Dominance/reserve currency that you mention. These are true. You just might be right about the Dollars double value, a result of some reasons, including that we still have a great military that can project and all nations fear it.

  95. @miss marple
    I've noticed a lot of surprising supranational alliances that could be private/plutocratic or government/oligarchic. The warm relationship we have with the Saudis is probably the most obvious example, similarly, the us has a longstanding relationship with the Philippines although for different reasons. Even more interesting are countries we should ally ourselves to but don't. We have a somewhat cold, distant relationship to Hungary for instance. I'm also intrigued by our reaction to the protests in Hong Kong. Times like these make me wish I'd studied journalism in college. Especially wrt the Saudis, I sense something important yet repugnant needs to be uncovered by good old-fashioned investigative reporting.

    One interesting thing I’ve noticed: the children of Chinese elites go to school with and interact with the children of our elites. The children of Russian elites do not.

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