#TooManyWhitePeople! (Part CXXVII)
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"Appointing Yet Another White, Male Director Is a Missed Opportunity for the Met" https://t.co/oVJWCyA6nJ
— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) April 12, 2018
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Somehow related:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609001275
Personally, I wasn’t aware of that study (nine years old!). No matter: I’d love to read your comments on it.
This women is deranged to think a liberal NYC institution museum has done this anytime in the past century. Makes me wonder if elite anti-white misandry is no different than black paranoia in seeing an insidious agenda behind a store clerk saying “can I help you find anything?” and Asians with their bizzare issues with being asked “where are you from?”
Lol! Any time I’ve asked an Asian where they were from I thought I was expressing interest in them and their culture. It never occurred to me that they might somehow find it insulting. Are we not supposed to notice that they’re foreign?Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Billy Shears, @penskefile
My grandparents spent several decades traveling around the world, from the 50s to the 80s. In those days, my grandmother said it was VERY common in Europe to get the "where are you from", and find they did NOT mean where in the US. They wanted to peg her based on her European ancestry. The assumption in Europe at the time was that Americans would behave like their European ancestors. Of course that would be politically incorrect now.
One of the weirdest moments came in Ireland. My grandmother grew up in Indian Territory, and had had long black hair in her youth, which she assumed was due to her Cherokee blood. Her father was of Scots-Irish descent. One time my grandmother was in a pub in Ireland, and there was a woman there who looked amazing like her, also with long black hair. The woman asked: "what county are you from?"Replies: @AndrewR, @Hark, hark...the snark
Fail. The line after the title is that the museum is ignoring women in the field.
The author is driven by misandry. Any sporadic mention of race is only in the hope of getting more allies for her primary cause.
When someone sees race in everything (which, unfortunately, is now Steve), the real issue in this instance (radical feminism by the fanatical Liz Oliver) gets overlooked.
Remember that it takes considerably more intellectual and moral courage to recognize that feminism is the greatest threat to civilization, than to default to ‘muh tribe! muh tribe!’ visceral thought.
Steve should also have pointed out that this article veers very near to Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism.
Besides, white women are actually a lot more tractable because some marry white men and have children who will become white men.Replies: @Mishra
If so then feminism is very much tribal.Replies: @Hhsiii, @Reg Cæsar
-Benjamin Disraeli,
https://media.scotchwhisky.com/images/media/ec13e6dfa3a5e722835d1a00635222bf.jpgReplies: @Mr. Anon
I guess that is an uncomfortable idea to an untouchable like you.
I'd agree it takes a bit more insight into civilization--what it is, how it works--to see that feminism is a mortal threat, while the mortal threat of invasion is obvious.
But ... that doesn't somehow flip reality. Invasion--as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration--is the greatest threat to any civilization. Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion. Everything else is built on top of that.
Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it--100 years in--and we'd be maybe 4 IQ points dumber. But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around. The worst effect of feminism is actually that feckless feminine thought is enabling the immigration invasion.
Feminism is a chronic disease--like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can't repel the invaders, they kill you!Replies: @Corvinus, @L Woods
Paradox of Mass Invasion.
Non-whites want to go where there are a lot of white people but then bitch that there are too many white people. Solution: Go home.
Someone more clever than I ought to be able to combine that (as a corollary?) with 1920s Harvard president Lawrence Lowell's comment about the problem with admitting too many Jews ("they drive away the Gentiles, and then after the Gentiles have left, they leave also”). Perhaps along the lines of "The problem with admitting non-Whites to nations of White people is that they complain there are too many White people, but once they've driven out the Whites the place loses its allure and cachet. Rinse, repeat."
OT shipwreck exploration!
NOAA’s gonna be streaming from under the sea in the Gulf of Mexico from April 12 – May 2, from ~ 8 am to 5 pm CT.
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While I have a hard time believing the Met deliberately avoids hiring anyone who is not male and white, there are definitely cases of people in this field who fail upward. Max Anderson is an example and he’s been employed by a number of significant institutions.
Off-topic:
Being a Respectable Columnist means finding ever-more ingenious and baroque circumlocutions to avoid Saying The Things That Can’t Be Said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/some-of-us-are-drowning-in-social-capital-others-are-positively-parched/2018/04/10/509a5844-3ce8-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html?utm_term=.c0336ae80741
"Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that is counted, counts."
--Albert Einstein
At least Megan McArdle mentions the Puritans, the Germans and the Scandinavians. Back to blood is in the air.
Megan McArdle knows that the racial powder keg is about to go off in the United States and many other European Christian nations being destroyed by mass immigration.
Trinity Laban Conservatoire of Music & Dance in London is trying to do their part by launching the “Venus Blazing” program. More than half the music featured in their programs during the 2018/19 season have to be composed by women. I suppose you can get away with something like this if you have government funding and don’t have to worry about the popularity of the pieces being performed.
http://www.classical-music.com/news/major-london-music-college-aims-end-all-male-concert-programmes
Not really. I happen to agree with you about feminism, but limited reality-based observations about women are still tolerated outside of SWPL fever swamps. White identity politics are quite a bit more unambiguously taboo.
A small thing most people are capable of that actually might make a difference is assuming the attitude of “who are you calling ‘white’?” Make the accuser explain him(her) self – the explanation alone will create desired discomfort. Whatever explanation given may be answered with “I am not a cartoon” and/or “I’ll disclose my ethnicity to those who I wish to, it’s none of your business, why don’t you just ask me where I’m from? Would that be any less offensive?” and/or “race is a construct – were you talking about my ethnicity, and if so, what of it?”
A bigger thing we can do is – as I’ve said before – offer a better deal. Get Trump to make a 2nd term platform of no more Affirmative Action for white women, Asian women, Latinos – or immigrants of any kind – and far, far more robust Affirmative Action for African Americans, while holding in rabid reserve a legal arm of the Department of Labor to audit the employment records of any company that peeps “diversity”.
About 10 years ago, I remarked to a very smart friend of mine who is an academic, that in America, 50% of all jobs are reserved for women, if they want them. He frankly ridiculed what I said, and talked in a sort of condescending fashion that indicated that he realized that I wasn’t one of the politically correct. As long as I had gone that far, I added that 50% female – well that’s just adequate; the real achievers hire more women and more and more.
You have to admire the verbiage “another opportunity missed”; what happens when they get to 100% women?
Actually, this is another Jordan Peterson prediction. He says that the next phase after women want to do these jobs, and women go ahead and do these jobs, is that men no longer want to do those jobs, and then men lie around and women do all the work.
African hoe culture, here we come.
Unless she has some serious physical disability, a very serious felony history, is too fat to climb the steps of a GE Dash 9 locomotive, or is actually borderline (or worse) mentally retarded, I know an employer who will hire her and put her to work. The work is usually not all that hard although occasionally a little effort actually be needed. Hours can be a little odd. But the pay is excellent-never less than $50K a year, first year, and eventually will probably six figures with some overtime.
They show some interest until I tell them what the job is. "It's the railroad".
Seriously, most Class 1 railroads in the US and some of the Class 2s are utterly obsessed with "Diversity Hires"-females, blacks and mestizos. (Asians too, but Asians are not interested either, and they are not especially hot to hire them: they are considered more or less whites. The only Asians I saw in the yard the last time I was on property were math heads on a track geometry car.)
The females, of any race including white, are not applying. They do not want to be train crew. Nor carmen-I mean carpersons-nor the diesel shop.
But the railroads still spend a lot of effort to persuade them and will hire almost any that apply even if it means waiving every possible requirement from the job description. Can't pick up a coupler knuckle? No problem. Functionally illiterate? Ehhh. Zero mechanical aptitude? That's trainable. Meanwhile, pale males (especially if stale) are stuck on the ground and the system is understaffed, running up overtime and delaying freight.Replies: @Mishra
Being a Respectable Columnist means finding ever-more ingenious and baroque circumlocutions to avoid Saying The Things That Can't Be Said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/some-of-us-are-drowning-in-social-capital-others-are-positively-parched/2018/04/10/509a5844-3ce8-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html?utm_term=.c0336ae80741 Replies: @Forbes, @Charles Pewitt
The desire to absolutely quantify everything probably exists in both political extremes, but I find it more often to be a liberal critique of progressives. The irony abounds as this sort of scientism clashes with the left’s never-ending quest to socially construct everything via social engineering.
“Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that is counted, counts.”
–Albert Einstein
Non-whites want to go where there are a lot of white people but then bitch that there are too many white people. Solution: Go home.Replies: @Corvinus, @3g4me
Actually, non-whites are compelled to go where there are a lot of white people because whites, out of instinct, had invaded their lands for free stuff and gimmedats, and only bitch at those white people who cynically say “why are you here, we whites didn’t destroy your nation out of imperialistic designs”.
And the non-whites for whom you advocate are more invasive and imperialistic than whites. They are just less capable of building and maintaining a civilization.Replies: @Corvinus
If male-suited occupations like firefighting and military aviation are any indication, women, large children that they are, will lose interest in actually holding these jobs once they’ve harangued their way in, overturned the culture, and tarnished the prestige of the profession. Once the forbidden fruit isn’t forbidden anymore, they don’t want it. It’s hard, after all.
However I've no doubt a Hollywood movie is in the works...
Here, read this, it’ll blow your mind:
A Handbook on Women in Firefighting: The changing face of the fire service.
https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/fa-128.pdf
Seriously, read through it. You won’t believe your eyes.Replies: @candid_observer
It’s a loose confederation of tribes, and the feminists would be nowhere without the others who, in turn, would be nowhere without the feminists.
Besides, white women are actually a lot more tractable because some marry white men and have children who will become white men.
This is an interesting thread, since while pedestalization of women is the dominant culture of all advanced democracies at this point, ironically, the group of men more likely to not place women on pedestals are blacks. So maybe black men are not a net negative after all.
Where I don’t agree is that reality-based observations about women are not rampant outside of SWPL. The modern cuckservative community (think National Review) and most modern churches are even more extreme about goddess-worship than some lefty groups. Read Dalrock’s blog for some shocking exposes of how most American Churches are nothing more than woman-worshipping cults at this point.
I guess that explains why there are so many Nigerians in Ireland. The Irish must have displaced them in Nigeria and then put shoe polish on their faces so nobody would know.
According to the 2011 census, there were 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland. They constitute the largest African group in the country.Replies: @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @NickG, @Mr. Anon
Nonwhites with college diplomas hate white culture for silly feebleminded cultural Marxist reasons. So why should they be invited to curate it?
Being a Respectable Columnist means finding ever-more ingenious and baroque circumlocutions to avoid Saying The Things That Can't Be Said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/some-of-us-are-drowning-in-social-capital-others-are-positively-parched/2018/04/10/509a5844-3ce8-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html?utm_term=.c0336ae80741 Replies: @Forbes, @Charles Pewitt
Being a Respectable Columnist means finding ever-more ingenious and baroque circumlocutions to avoid Saying The Things That Can’t Be Said
At least Megan McArdle mentions the Puritans, the Germans and the Scandinavians. Back to blood is in the air.
Megan McArdle knows that the racial powder keg is about to go off in the United States and many other European Christian nations being destroyed by mass immigration.
… and Asians with their bizzare issues with being asked “where are you from?”
Lol! Any time I’ve asked an Asian where they were from I thought I was expressing interest in them and their culture. It never occurred to me that they might somehow find it insulting. Are we not supposed to notice that they’re foreign?
In my case, the correct answer is always North Carolina.Replies: @Rex Little, @Reg Cæsar
We were on the airport shuttle back to our car in Austin returning from a vacation to LA. One of my sons was carrying a "coolie" hat that he bought in LA Chinatown when it was raining. The hat was cheaper than an umbrella and kept him fairly dry. He decided to keep it and bring it home.
On the bus, my wife strikes up a conversation with a couple seated across about where we all had been. One of their kids misunderstood and thought we had been to China.
My wife, ever the eager and inclusive conversationalist, was sitting next to an asian lady and wanted to bring her in to the discussion. This lady had not yet said a word, but my wife goes "are you from China?"
The lady replies, in the dryest, most unaccented, go-to-hell way "No, I'm from Austin". End of conversation
You had to probably be there, but it's definitely a part of family legend now
The author Liza Oliver is an assistant professor of art history at Wellesley College.
Liza Oliver advocates for policies that would give highly paid, very elite, positions to women like Liza Oliver, perhaps even Ms. Liza Oliver.
Even the NYT comments section is filled with objections:
So on the face of things, if those kind of stats are replicated in the US, Ms Oliver may have a point.
Maybe male Art History students tend to have some other special quality that enables top-grade networking?Replies: @Mishra
Interesting.
My grandparents spent several decades traveling around the world, from the 50s to the 80s. In those days, my grandmother said it was VERY common in Europe to get the “where are you from”, and find they did NOT mean where in the US. They wanted to peg her based on her European ancestry. The assumption in Europe at the time was that Americans would behave like their European ancestors. Of course that would be politically incorrect now.
One of the weirdest moments came in Ireland. My grandmother grew up in Indian Territory, and had had long black hair in her youth, which she assumed was due to her Cherokee blood. Her father was of Scots-Irish descent. One time my grandmother was in a pub in Ireland, and there was a woman there who looked amazing like her, also with long black hair. The woman asked: “what county are you from?”
My grandparents spent several decades traveling around the world, from the 50s to the 80s. In those days, my grandmother said it was VERY common in Europe to get the "where are you from", and find they did NOT mean where in the US. They wanted to peg her based on her European ancestry. The assumption in Europe at the time was that Americans would behave like their European ancestors. Of course that would be politically incorrect now.
One of the weirdest moments came in Ireland. My grandmother grew up in Indian Territory, and had had long black hair in her youth, which she assumed was due to her Cherokee blood. Her father was of Scots-Irish descent. One time my grandmother was in a pub in Ireland, and there was a woman there who looked amazing like her, also with long black hair. The woman asked: "what county are you from?"Replies: @AndrewR, @Hark, hark...the snark
Incomplete story?
She found it quite amusing that she would find her doppelganger in Ireland. What was more amusing is my grandmother always associated Irish with very fair skin and red hair. To see an Irishwoman with darker skin and black hair broke a lot of my grandmother's stereotypes.
It also got her to question whether some of what she thought were Cherokee traits were really Celtic traits.Replies: @tsotha, @Alden, @AndrewR
They are all white preferist. They think whiteness is better economically, politically, ethically, aesthetically, and etc. They are closet ‘white supremacists’ and prefer to live in white world than in their own. But they are too ashamed to admit this because it would mean they have inferiority complex.
Also, in order to gain access to white nations, they must convince white people that Diversity is good and that whiteness is somehow ‘racist’ and only be redeemed by invasion by non-whites.
Ironically, they degrade and discredit whiteness in order to gain access to it.
It’s like this. Suppose someone had a big lump of gold while I got a a lump of lead.
Suppose I want to take his gold.
Now, if I told him that he got something precious while I got something crappy, he will hold onto his gold.
So, I must go for another tactic. I would try to convince him that his gold has little value, indeed is equal to my lead or even less precious. I would try to convince him that it’s irrational for him to see his gold as precious. In the name of Metal Equality, all metals are equal in value, so maybe he should give me his gold for my lead.
Suppose the guy is dumb enough to fall of this. Then, he would be a total cucky-wuck.
I would have convinced him that his gold is worthless precisely because, deep down inside, I see it as worth a million.
Don’t be like Indians who sold Manhattan for a bead necklace.
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And the trouble with me saying so is that's like a cliche and you probably won't stop and think about what it means.
You have a hand to play - it has value so it's worth playing, but if you overplay it, you may lose everything, but if you play it right things might work out.I've lived in some pretty "white" places and you know what blows me away about America: we are such mutts.Seriously people get in online echo chambers like this and nothing will crack it - they have no idea how many people they are losing because most people just aren't a pure shade 'o white, let alone a white male. But if you look carefully at all these folks - there's nothing wrong with them - and no reason they can't be on your side. Next HS football season pick 5 Fridays, then go to five high school football games, 10 schools. Just people watch. You'll see. That's "who we are".Secondly - "white people" whatever that is - don't think they owe anything to each other - and that includes the most self-white-identified people. Think anyone commenting on Unz is going out to help homeless, because the homeless are white? Volunteer in drug rehab because the addicts are white? Any of them gave someone a job, because the applicant was white? Or: if they did - do you think the applicant appreciated it and went the extra mile to return the favor? Think two white people negotiating a contract are any less likely to screw each other, because white? There is something of value - so that's why I say you have a hand to play and since it has value it's worth playing, but it has about as much to do with "white" as it does with having the last name "Smith" and "Jones".Replies: @Anon
Their are still a number of Indians living in Brooklyn, many of them iron and steel workers. Since they already sold Manhattan, I am sure their descendants would sell the Brooklyn Bridge.
Of course I have no idea if this is true or not. I do know that Indians continued to live in Manhattan, sale or no sale. The Dutch built a wooden wall to keep them out -- the location of present day Wall Street. The Indians used the wall as firewood in the winter.
Just saying, the Indians in what later became NYC weren't quite as stupid as some people believed.Replies: @Anon
Seriously: good post. Thank you.
The Irish were the darkies of Europe, my fair-skinned friend. Besides there was no need for drunken leprechauns in Mozambique or Ghana–they already had their pot of gold!
According to the 2011 census, there were 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland. They constitute the largest African group in the country.
Did pat yourself on your back again (are you in the triple digits of self congratulations today? Oh, four digits? - way to go Corvinus!)Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Some people claim that feminism, at least the second-wave variety, is promoted as something of a bank shot by a certain tribe to wreak havoc on other tribes.
If so then feminism is very much tribal.
That was as complete as I got from my grandmother.
She found it quite amusing that she would find her doppelganger in Ireland. What was more amusing is my grandmother always associated Irish with very fair skin and red hair. To see an Irishwoman with darker skin and black hair broke a lot of my grandmother’s stereotypes.
It also got her to question whether some of what she thought were Cherokee traits were really Celtic traits.
The scots Irish aren’t really Irish. They were put there in the 1620s to kill off the Irish so the English could take over the country.
The plan didn’t work out so the Scots who had lived in Ireland for a couple generations left for America.Replies: @Roderick Spode
I see the word “white.” Do you? The illustration is a white guy. Did Steve edit that in?
“All is race; there is no other truth, and every race must fall which carelessly suffers its blood to become mixed.”
-Benjamin Disraeli,
you forgot ugh: #UghTooManyWhitePeople
OT The Emperor from Star Wars reads Rivers of Blood on BBC Radio 4, Saturday, at eight pm GMT.
The symbolism is pretty obvious, but why are they doing it in the first place? Aren’t they scared that ordinaries will see a lot of truth in it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09z08w3
Available online after broadcast!
http://i43.tinypic.com/2a7wnyd.jpgReplies: @J.Ross
I'd always heard that no one had a complete text of the speech. Is that not the case?
To be clear the line, “White Britons! Execute Order Ten Sixty-Six!” was not in the original Enoch Powell speech.
Wiki says Hollein has degrees in both business administration and art history. He’s run various other museums and been on the advisory boards of several others. It’s very likely the Met couldn’t find any woman or minority with that complete a background. Most people who are interested in art just major in art. They don’t have a business background as well.
According to the 2011 census, there were 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland. They constitute the largest African group in the country.Replies: @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @NickG, @Mr. Anon
The Irish were the darkies of Europe, my fair-skinned friend.
I have never seen a dark-skinned Irish person. In fact, most Irish people I’ve met have been quite fair-skinned. When were the Irish dark and how dark were they? Why would they have been darker than a Spaniards, or even Italians?
Perhaps this is what you’re referring to (from Wikipedia):
Black Irish is an ambiguous term sometimes used (mainly outside Ireland) as a reference to a dark-haired phenotype appearing in people of Irish origin. However, dark hair in people of Irish descent is common, although darker skin complexions appear less frequently.
Darkies, as in in half-savages. The Irish were relegated to the bottom half of the European ethnic totem pole. Just like their black brethren, they were considered sub-human. You know, other than desirable.
http://www.printmag.com/illustration/nast-irish/
Listen, I'm asking for a friend. Is it OK for a white person to have their own position regarding race and culture without being labeled a "cuck" or "race traitor"?Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Massimo Heitor, @Mishra, @Anonymous
Off topic
Bezos Blog:
Muh cheap meat, moar illegals.
Remarkably correct on the need to punish business owners, though. Of course, perhaps we could extend that to the tax-dodging oligarch who owns this propoganda factory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/04/11/the-price-of-cheap-meat-raided-slaughterhouses-and-upended-communities/?utm_term=.a04a919df1a2
This article - "Hurricane NAFTA" - ran on the front page of today's South Dade News Leader, a small weekly paper in Homestead:
http://www.southdadenewsleader.com/news/hurricane-nafta/article_5ec17128-3eaf-11e8-a238-6360cd1b9a7c.html
I just read a really good article on the museum director/curator/president thing that really opened my eyes. It turns out to be a really hard job that few people can do. These organizations are like opera houses, on the verge of bankruptcy on a daily basis. A director’s main skill is fundraising. The people who give money are rich white people, in a certain social class, who expect to be feted and treated in a certain way. Curators need to attract and bring in ticket-buying or season-pass-buying customers, who are not racial minorities on the whole.
The current mayor of New York, who is not known to have ever set foot in a museum, threw in a last-minute inclusion-rider type thing to the budget, such that now museums won’t get city money if they don’t hire minorities in huge numbers.
The programs that teach curation, a graduate-level degree, have few minorities in them, so the pipeline is empty, but as I said, even if there are minorities in the applicant pool, they may not be the best at the job.
The writer wrote of a recent controversy at the Noguchi, which was navigating a delicate transition from a private foundation to a public nonprofit. The director decided to spend all her time on making the Noguchi a “sanctuary gallery,” whatever the heck that is. Why is a gallery devoted to a Japanese sculptor harboring illegal aliens? The directors convened and out she went to be replaced by another director.
Ho culture too.
Feminism is perhaps the most dysgenic apparatus in our entire civilization. It’s why we are doomed unless we rectify it.
As I’m sure you gathered, he/she/it is making a specious argument, without the slightest hint of humility.
She found it quite amusing that she would find her doppelganger in Ireland. What was more amusing is my grandmother always associated Irish with very fair skin and red hair. To see an Irishwoman with darker skin and black hair broke a lot of my grandmother's stereotypes.
It also got her to question whether some of what she thought were Cherokee traits were really Celtic traits.Replies: @tsotha, @Alden, @AndrewR
Not Celtic: Spanish. The so-called “black Irish” seem to be genetically related to people in Spain, though not by way of the Spanish Armada, a colorful story that’s been discredited.
My grandmother never really knew what to think after that. She had a lot of Scottish and Scots-Irish ancestry, and also Cherokee ancestry. I think she wondered if the combination of her Celtic background with her Cherokee background made her look "black Irish".
She's been gone for about 20 years now, having been born in Indian Territory before it became part of Oklahoma, so sadly too late to ask what was going through her mind.
OK, but here is the newest Billy Bigelow in the revival of Carousel:
https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-cast-staff/joshua-henry-459918
It’s simply taken for granted now that the iconic parts in the performing arts go to blacks.
Don’t really care about her but she’s a babe–LOL
http://www.classical-music.com/news/major-london-music-college-aims-end-all-male-concert-programmesReplies: @Ivy, @james wilson
They can make quite an evening out of it by working in a WNBA game. There should be plenty of seats available.
Non-whites want to go where there are a lot of white people but then bitch that there are too many white people. Solution: Go home.Replies: @Corvinus, @3g4me
@4 Anon [425]: “Non-whites want to go where there are a lot of white people but then bitch that there are too many white people. Solution: Go home.”
Someone more clever than I ought to be able to combine that (as a corollary?) with 1920s Harvard president Lawrence Lowell’s comment about the problem with admitting too many Jews (“they drive away the Gentiles, and then after the Gentiles have left, they leave also”). Perhaps along the lines of “The problem with admitting non-Whites to nations of White people is that they complain there are too many White people, but once they’ve driven out the Whites the place loses its allure and cachet. Rinse, repeat.”
If so then feminism is very much tribal.Replies: @Hhsiii, @Reg Cæsar
As much as we like to think people are rational, Jewish and wasp SJWism isn’t some Machiavellian plan. At least your average person.
I’m not particularly bright so it took a long time for me to figure out what fundamentally drives the progressive agenda. In particular, I couldn’t work out why they are so keen on sexual libertinism but also push so strongly for the immigration of groups of people who do not share these libertine views. But it’s now clear to me that everything they do is directed towards reducing the white share of the population in historically-white countries and the influence white people have on these societies.
Sexual libertinism in all its forms has the main effect of suppressing fertility among white people, reducing their share of the population. Meanwhile, the non-white share of the population is increased directly via immigration and indirectly via the smaller impact of the sexually libertine culture on the fertility of these demographic groups. This is exacerbated by the progressive’s environmental views, which are much more likely to persuade white people to curb their fertility than other ethnic groups.
I guess this should have been obvious to me much sooner, but I just never really appreciated the significance of identity politics. When progressives talk so much about white racism and white privilege, it should not be surprising that they want to reduce the population share and influence of white people. It’s just now they have become so blatant and explicit about it that it’s impossible not to notice. And of course, just to notice this, makes you a racist! I know this is not news to most people here, but it must be dawning on more and more people.
Exactly. I wouldn't say that this knowledge is even that common among our side. However, if you ask the question "What would need to be promoted in order to reduce the white share of the population and its unity to the point where we were a powerless, disunited minority?", well, you can see that every single means of pushing this is being pushed. From homo worship, transgenderism, limiting population for reasons of selfishness and purported environmental selflessness, to defeat "racism", etc. etc. Sexual libertinism, single parenthood, pro-miscegenation, feminism and female careerism, everything.
For all who are capable, committing to a wife or a husband and building your own large family in spite of all the propaganda is the most powerful thing we can do. You can even apply a eugenic twist - the more capable you and your wife are, the more children you might feel compelled to have. Leftists get hives just thinking about this act of white supremacist oppressive hegemony, the fact that by not submitting to your own genocide you are literally Hitler.
https://image.ibb.co/nMtK47/images.jpg
She doesn’t believe it any more than you or I do. She just knows she can make political hay out of it.
Any financier will tell you: an investment with little to no cost and virtually infinite returns is one worth making.
The number of female roustabouts remains vanishingly small.
However I’ve no doubt a Hollywood movie is in the works…
Actually it is not. For instance in India feminism might be the only force that may have a chance to civilize this backward country.
How little you know. Women change the jobs that they decide they want until they are more likable. It’s called “changing the culture” or something similar. If women say they want to be fire fighters (note the word change), they want the money and the cachet, then it’s up to men to make it happen.
Here, read this, it’ll blow your mind:
A Handbook on Women in Firefighting: The changing face of the fire service.
https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/fa-128.pdf
Seriously, read through it. You won’t believe your eyes.
According to the 2011 census, there were 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland. They constitute the largest African group in the country.Replies: @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @NickG, @Mr. Anon
Yes, and we all know that you are working hard to move the rest of the Nigerians to America, leaving Nigeria bereft of humanity.
Did pat yourself on your back again (are you in the triple digits of self congratulations today? Oh, four digits? – way to go Corvinus!)
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qoEAAOSwn-tZEssw/s-l300.jpgReplies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
Besides, white women are actually a lot more tractable because some marry white men and have children who will become white men.Replies: @Mishra
Says you! My own mother (an extreme feminist) never saw a conflict there–instead, I was a fifth columnist as far as she was concerned. And yes, she never saw the irony in calling me a son of a bitch.
Are US military officers too white? Shouldn’t there be more high IQ Asians?
let’s us proclaim our “wiggerness” andfkthem their linguistic appropriation!
She found it quite amusing that she would find her doppelganger in Ireland. What was more amusing is my grandmother always associated Irish with very fair skin and red hair. To see an Irishwoman with darker skin and black hair broke a lot of my grandmother's stereotypes.
It also got her to question whether some of what she thought were Cherokee traits were really Celtic traits.Replies: @tsotha, @Alden, @AndrewR
It’s the Scots who are more blonde and red haired. Black hair, very pale skin and blue eyes are a stereotypical Irish look.
The scots Irish aren’t really Irish. They were put there in the 1620s to kill off the Irish so the English could take over the country.
The plan didn’t work out so the Scots who had lived in Ireland for a couple generations left for America.
False, Crow. They don’t come to ‘Merica because imperialist destruct. They come because America offers greater opportunity. And they bring tolerance for an absence of liberty with them. What is your remedy for this?
In large part as a result of their loss of opportunities by the European "invade the world, invite the world" crowd.
"What is your remedy for this?"
I actually have stated that immigration to our nation ought to be limited, and that those companies who employ illegals ought to be arrested and tried in a court of law.Replies: @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro, @Neil Templeton
Lol! Any time I’ve asked an Asian where they were from I thought I was expressing interest in them and their culture. It never occurred to me that they might somehow find it insulting. Are we not supposed to notice that they’re foreign?Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Billy Shears, @penskefile
Yes. No one can be foreign when we are all from Planet Earth. Immerse yourself, there’s a lot of money to be made in the trading of community equity for valueless status markers.
They mad cuz black folks ain’t runnin’ the MET?
Shit!
White folks can’t even have no Chic-fila without the damn black folks come and messit up!
Why the hell we want them shooting up da MET?!
To be fair, the Met ignored the droves of other qualified white men, too.
Also, in order to gain access to white nations, they must convince white people that Diversity is good and that whiteness is somehow ‘racist’ and only be redeemed by invasion by non-whites.
Ironically, they degrade and discredit whiteness in order to gain access to it.
It’s like this. Suppose someone had a big lump of gold while I got a a lump of lead.
Suppose I want to take his gold.
Now, if I told him that he got something precious while I got something crappy, he will hold onto his gold.
So, I must go for another tactic. I would try to convince him that his gold has little value, indeed is equal to my lead or even less precious. I would try to convince him that it’s irrational for him to see his gold as precious. In the name of Metal Equality, all metals are equal in value, so maybe he should give me his gold for my lead.
Suppose the guy is dumb enough to fall of this. Then, he would be a total cucky-wuck.
I would have convinced him that his gold is worthless precisely because, deep down inside, I see it as worth a million.
Don’t be like Indians who sold Manhattan for a bead necklace.
ReplyReplies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Paleo Liberal, @Stebbing Heuer
You are overplaying your hand.
And the trouble with me saying so is that’s like a cliche and you probably won’t stop and think about what it means.
You have a hand to play – it has value so it’s worth playing, but if you overplay it, you may lose everything, but if you play it right things might work out.
I’ve lived in some pretty “white” places and you know what blows me away about America: we are such mutts.
Seriously people get in online echo chambers like this and nothing will crack it – they have no idea how many people they are losing because most people just aren’t a pure shade ‘o white, let alone a white male. But if you look carefully at all these folks – there’s nothing wrong with them – and no reason they can’t be on your side. Next HS football season pick 5 Fridays, then go to five high school football games, 10 schools. Just people watch. You’ll see. That’s “who we are”.
Secondly – “white people” whatever that is – don’t think they owe anything to each other – and that includes the most self-white-identified people. Think anyone commenting on Unz is going out to help homeless, because the homeless are white? Volunteer in drug rehab because the addicts are white? Any of them gave someone a job, because the applicant was white? Or: if they did – do you think the applicant appreciated it and went the extra mile to return the favor? Think two white people negotiating a contract are any less likely to screw each other, because white?
There is something of value – so that’s why I say you have a hand to play and since it has value it’s worth playing, but it has about as much to do with “white” as it does with having the last name “Smith” and “Jones”.
How about avoid demographic casinos altogether and NOT play at all? Then, there's nothing to lose.
Just keep the nest egg.
I’ve lived in some pretty “white” places and you know what blows me away about America: we are such mutts.
White dogs attract other dogs and, for a while, there is a tolerable state of modest mutt-hood. But as non-white dogs keep coming and breeding and interbreeding, it all goes to the dogs. After all, there are mutt-nations all over the world. But mutts there don't like it and want to move to where white dogs are. Even when dark mutts move to western nations that have been mutted, they prefer those with lots of white dogs. In other words, US and Canada are preferable to Latin America because the former two still have more white dogs.
many people they are losing because most people just aren’t a pure shade ‘o white
So, you say whites shouldn't mindful of color. But the thing is non-whites are very mindful of color. They think 'color' all the time. They look at the map for white nations and move there.
Non-whites are even mindful of shades of color. When Africans and Muslims arrive in Europe, they pass across swarthy whites and try to go to pale white nations.
Secondly – “white people” whatever that is – don’t think they owe anything to each other – and that includes the most self-white-identified people. Think anyone commenting on Unz is going out to help homeless, because the homeless are white?
You're talking of extreme cases. Sure, there will always be druggies, bums, and lunatics. No one expects whites to go around helping self-destructive white losers.
But there are general policies on the national level that are good for the community as a whole. Take something like 'free trade'. Elites must ask what impact it will have on the nation as a whole. Or consider the impact of mass invasion. Or feminism that takes jobs away from men.
Who will benefit and who will lose out? So, even though most of us are not going to help people in drug rehab, we can support national policies that are mindful of what is good for the whole nation.
Now, are you just a troll? No one can be that insipid.Replies: @HenryA
Right. 20 million black men were passed over. But about 97 million White men were too.
[quote]Remember that it takes considerably more intellectual and moral courage to recognize that feminism is the greatest threat to civilization, than to default to ‘muh tribe! muh tribe!’ visceral thought.[/quote]
MRA mopes are delusional. Counter-semitism takes balls; MRA mopes are dime-a-dozen.
Liza Oliver advocates for policies that would give highly paid, very elite, positions to women like Liza Oliver, perhaps even Ms. Liza Oliver.Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @YetAnotherAnon, @anonymous
She’s also white. My wife is black. She finds this anti-white politics ridiculous, but she correctly points out, it’s usually white people doing it.
Even the NYT comments section is filled with objections:
Whenever I talk to a reasonably beefy female , black or white, under about 45 or 50, who is whining that she can not find a job, I tell her that I know a company who will hire her.
Unless she has some serious physical disability, a very serious felony history, is too fat to climb the steps of a GE Dash 9 locomotive, or is actually borderline (or worse) mentally retarded, I know an employer who will hire her and put her to work. The work is usually not all that hard although occasionally a little effort actually be needed. Hours can be a little odd. But the pay is excellent-never less than $50K a year, first year, and eventually will probably six figures with some overtime.
They show some interest until I tell them what the job is. “It’s the railroad”.
Seriously, most Class 1 railroads in the US and some of the Class 2s are utterly obsessed with “Diversity Hires”-females, blacks and mestizos. (Asians too, but Asians are not interested either, and they are not especially hot to hire them: they are considered more or less whites. The only Asians I saw in the yard the last time I was on property were math heads on a track geometry car.)
The females, of any race including white, are not applying. They do not want to be train crew. Nor carmen-I mean carpersons-nor the diesel shop.
But the railroads still spend a lot of effort to persuade them and will hire almost any that apply even if it means waiving every possible requirement from the job description. Can’t pick up a coupler knuckle? No problem. Functionally illiterate? Ehhh. Zero mechanical aptitude? That’s trainable. Meanwhile, pale males (especially if stale) are stuck on the ground and the system is understaffed, running up overtime and delaying freight.
Women lose interest very quickly in occupations that involve actual danger or actual work.
Lol! Any time I’ve asked an Asian where they were from I thought I was expressing interest in them and their culture. It never occurred to me that they might somehow find it insulting. Are we not supposed to notice that they’re foreign?Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Billy Shears, @penskefile
It’s usually only U.S. born Asians (and part-Asians) that have an issue with that question.
In my case, the correct answer is always North Carolina.
His hackles raised and he said, "I am from Virginia."
Serves me right for not choosing Reagan, which I've done on every other trip. The Metro is essentially automated.Replies: @Corvinus
Well you certainly can’t say women are underrepresented in museums and art galleries these days. I’ll happily wager that they make up a majority of employees, which is a likely reason why prog activists are focusing on directors. It’s probably only at the top level where men may still outnumber women.
However, I’ve heard that a good number of male museum/art gallery directors are gay. Hence, this is likely to be another area where the rainbow coalition ends up attacking itself by attacking white people.
OT: Something felt a bit off as I was reading recent articles about the rogue planet Nibiru heading toward Earth next week, then it hit me: they keep referring to these bog-standard apocalyptic prophesizers as “conspiracy theorists”, which makes the whole thing seem like yet another journalistic conspiracy to discredit the concept of conspiracies, this time by debasing the term “conspiracy theory” itself. As far as I can tell the only possible conspirator in this theory is the Antichrist.
I am also very bothered by this blatantly Orwellian trick where they think they are abbreviating “conspiracy theory” by just saying “conspiracy.” They apply this to things where, like you say, the term has no meaning at all.
Well I just want to bring up what I referred to as Shen’s Law. In America, blacks, Hispanics, and whites love obsessing over race and over each other!
Liza Oliver advocates for policies that would give highly paid, very elite, positions to women like Liza Oliver, perhaps even Ms. Liza Oliver.Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @YetAnotherAnon, @anonymous
Art History is a very girly subject, certainly in the UK. I looked at one top-tier UK university and their Art History department has 23 male undergrads and 169 females – so a year cohort would have about 8 males to 56 females.
So on the face of things, if those kind of stats are replicated in the US, Ms Oliver may have a point.
Maybe male Art History students tend to have some other special quality that enables top-grade networking?
Yet another multi-million dollar payout for “Madoff Victims”. Note that fully half of the money comes from bank depositors, who had absolutely nothing to do with the crimes. But banks have deep pockets.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/business/madoff-ponzi-scheme-compensation.html
Up to $4 Billion actually. Half of it “from J.P. Morgan Chase, which was accused of ignoring red flags while it acted as Mr. Madoff’s bank.”
Off topic, but a Hungarian magazine has just published a list of Soros’ cronies. It claims 226 MEPs are on his payroll. Does anyone know how I can get hold of the list in a language I can read? I can’t surf the web in Hungarian.
Too many counter examples: Australia; Canada; and the Scandinavian countries don’t send their people around the world to load up on welfare benefits.
And the non-whites for whom you advocate are more invasive and imperialistic than whites. They are just less capable of building and maintaining a civilization.
Which was colonized by the British, with the natives properly put in their place and with measures to ensure the financial success of its (white) citizens.
"and the Scandinavian countries don’t send their people around the world to load up on welfare benefits."
You do realize that those nations have an extensive welfare system in place, right?
"And the non-whites for whom you advocate are more invasive and imperialistic than whites. They are just less capable of building and maintaining a civilization."
No, the non-whites did build civilizations. Just not ones with advanced technology. You really get hung up on this notion that European-white civilization is the gold standard. Pro-tip --> It's about human civilization.Replies: @Stan Adams
Bill Kristol ‘nauseated’ by Trump surrounded by white leaders:
https://nalert.blogspot.rs/2018/04/big-government-advocate-bill-kristol.html
Doubt he is equally nauseated by dead Syrians and gentile servicemen dying for his cause.
According to the 2011 census, there were 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland. They constitute the largest African group in the country.Replies: @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @NickG, @Mr. Anon
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Gosh…there are about than twice as many Nigerians in Oirland as there are personnel in the Bogtrotter defence force – the Army, Navy and Air Force combined – which totals some 9,000.
Sad Thommbone is now officially the Hindu Whiskey.
Which non-white country did Sweden invade?
The University of Southern California is anti-White. The University of Southern California must be defunded by the federal government.
Any endowment or investment fund owned by the University of Southern California must be taxed so hard that USC’s pips start squeaking. Any and all student loans associated with USC should be considered Odious Debt and it should be discharged in court(USC must be made responsible for the student loan balance). All student loan funds currently connected to USC, and owed to the federal government, the California state government or private lenders, should be paid by USC.
All employees of the University of Southern California should be immediately fired. These employees should have their pension and health benefits immediately taken from them.
All foreigners enrolled in USC should be deported immediately.
Wipe the University of Southern California off the map.
There’s nothing wrong with being a member of a tribe and recognizing as much.
I guess that is an uncomfortable idea to an untouchable like you.
https://media.scotchwhisky.com/images/media/ec13e6dfa3a5e722835d1a00635222bf.jpgReplies: @Mr. Anon
No. 5! Wow! He’s big………in India.
If the codified Narrative and Appropriate Lexicon prohibits group categories such as ‘floods of migrants’, shouldn’t ‘droves of women’ be banned also? I mean, come on, who doesn’t interpret that as, droves=cows? It’s clearly defamatory!
According to the 2011 census, there were 17,642 resident Nigerians in Ireland. They constitute the largest African group in the country.Replies: @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @NickG, @Mr. Anon
Complete crap, of course. But we expect nothing less from you.
Read and learn.
Thaddeus Russell explains in his book "The Renegade History of the United States,"
how the Irish "stole all the good jobs" and were "shiftless and lazy" upon arriving on our beautiful shores in the 1850's. They were viewed as the "nonwhite 'missing link' between the superior European and the savage African. Russell notes from a excerpt from the Boston Globe during this decade that "In the popular press, the Irish were depicted as subhuman. They were carriers of disease. They were drawn as lazy, clannish, unclean, drunken brawlers who wallowed in crime and bred like rats. Most disturbingly, the Irish were Roman Catholics coming to an overwhelmingly Protestant nation and their devotion to the pope made their allegiance to the United States suspect."
Noel Ignatiev explains in his book "How The Irish Became White" that “While the white skin made the Irish eligible for membership in the white race, it did not guarantee their admission; they had to earn it.”Replies: @istevefan, @Mr. Anon
Anything to protect the tribe.
The quote explicitly calls out White males, but somehow it’s paranoid and cowardly to notice the White part. Men of all races must uniiiiite!
Anybody can call out feminism, or even easier, misandry. Either barely pings the political geiger counter.
She found it quite amusing that she would find her doppelganger in Ireland. What was more amusing is my grandmother always associated Irish with very fair skin and red hair. To see an Irishwoman with darker skin and black hair broke a lot of my grandmother's stereotypes.
It also got her to question whether some of what she thought were Cherokee traits were really Celtic traits.Replies: @tsotha, @Alden, @AndrewR
If that was the dumbest misconception your grandmother had, then she was a very smart person, but dark-haired dark-skinned Irish people aren’t exactly rare. Colin Ferrell is among the most famous examples in recent years.
https://legacy.gscdn.nl/archives/images/soroskooptbrussel.pdf
P.S., it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that MRA will eventually be run by homos, if it isn’t already.
OT: Dem crackas gettin’ too big fo’ dey britches
https://www.theroot.com/diversity-of-thought-is-just-a-euphemism-for-white-supr-1825191839
Bonus: British envoy to UN thinks Russia was founded on Marx’s writings
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1938838419459735&id=1038359576174295
Feminism is anti White same thing as female hypergamy means anti White and pro more dominant non White men.
Women want the most dominance they can get which is other men.
They want the African hoe or ho economy.
Off-topic: did Steve ever write the article exploring “the Friedan-Steinem-Firestone-Abzug generation of feminists” from the “subversive perspective” employed in his article about country clubs?
Lol! Any time I’ve asked an Asian where they were from I thought I was expressing interest in them and their culture. It never occurred to me that they might somehow find it insulting. Are we not supposed to notice that they’re foreign?Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Billy Shears, @penskefile
Yes some of them don’t want you to notice they’re foreign but also some just don’t want it to be the first thing out of your mouth.
Presumably they would prefer that to "Why don't you go back where you came from?"
Just how much tact are we supposed to waste on these uninvited, unwanted foreigners?Replies: @Paleo Liberal
OT – Steve you should do a post about this now ubiquitous phenomenon where an unattractive woman appears scantily clad in public or on Twitter/Instagram/whatever, criticism ensues (whether real or fake who knows), and then clickbait articles get written about how she fought back against “body shaming.”
This stuff is like the Clock Boy of shallow feminist propaganda.
Here is today’s iteration (warning: images of fat rolls cannot be unseen).
Ungood.
And hence all the Somalis in Sweden, the mighty colonial power in Africa, and hence all the Turks and Syrians in Germany, colonizer of Anatolia and the Middle East, and …
For shame iSteve! For shame! Verily but you are un-woke.
I mean, everybody (!) knows that appointing a woman, particularly a “woman of color” (“colored woman?”), as head of the Met is guaranteed to advance the fortunes of those high-school educated ladies with two kids out there in Flyover Country who are holding down two jobs in an effort to make ends meet.
Liza Oliver advocates for policies that would give highly paid, very elite, positions to women like Liza Oliver, perhaps even Ms. Liza Oliver.Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @YetAnotherAnon, @anonymous
Wellesley. The alma mater of The Empress of Chappaqua.
I know the Basque peoples are Celtic.
My grandmother never really knew what to think after that. She had a lot of Scottish and Scots-Irish ancestry, and also Cherokee ancestry. I think she wondered if the combination of her Celtic background with her Cherokee background made her look “black Irish”.
She’s been gone for about 20 years now, having been born in Indian Territory before it became part of Oklahoma, so sadly too late to ask what was going through her mind.
Also, in order to gain access to white nations, they must convince white people that Diversity is good and that whiteness is somehow ‘racist’ and only be redeemed by invasion by non-whites.
Ironically, they degrade and discredit whiteness in order to gain access to it.
It’s like this. Suppose someone had a big lump of gold while I got a a lump of lead.
Suppose I want to take his gold.
Now, if I told him that he got something precious while I got something crappy, he will hold onto his gold.
So, I must go for another tactic. I would try to convince him that his gold has little value, indeed is equal to my lead or even less precious. I would try to convince him that it’s irrational for him to see his gold as precious. In the name of Metal Equality, all metals are equal in value, so maybe he should give me his gold for my lead.
Suppose the guy is dumb enough to fall of this. Then, he would be a total cucky-wuck.
I would have convinced him that his gold is worthless precisely because, deep down inside, I see it as worth a million.
Don’t be like Indians who sold Manhattan for a bead necklace.
ReplyReplies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Paleo Liberal, @Stebbing Heuer
There is some speculation that the Dutch ran across the Canarsie Indians, visiting from Brooklyn. The Canarsie, of course, had no claim on the land, and were thus more than happy to sell if for whatever they could get.
Their are still a number of Indians living in Brooklyn, many of them iron and steel workers. Since they already sold Manhattan, I am sure their descendants would sell the Brooklyn Bridge.
Of course I have no idea if this is true or not. I do know that Indians continued to live in Manhattan, sale or no sale. The Dutch built a wooden wall to keep them out — the location of present day Wall Street. The Indians used the wall as firewood in the winter.
Just saying, the Indians in what later became NYC weren’t quite as stupid as some people believed.
“Yes some of them don’t want you to notice they’re foreign but also some just don’t want it to be the first thing out of your mouth.”
Presumably they would prefer that to “Why don’t you go back where you came from?”
Just how much tact are we supposed to waste on these uninvited, unwanted foreigners?
The biggest complaints about "where are you from?" come from native-born Americans of Asian descent. Meaning, "where you came from" is the United States.
Also, the majority of the Asian immigrants are legal immigrants. You may not like our legal immigration policy, but legal immigrants were most certainly NOT uninvited. As for unwanted, clearly SOMEONE wanted them here.
How much tact are you supposed to use? Depends on how big a jerk you want to be. Maybe I've been spoiled by living in the Midwest for most of this century, where people tend to at least be nice to your face. Even the ones who screw you over are at least polite about it. I mean, was Paul Ryan ever nasty when he screwed people over?Replies: @Kylie, @Mishra, @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro, @Rosie
The University of Southern California is anti-White. The University of Southern California must be defunded by the federal government.
Any endowment or investment fund owned by the University of Southern California must be taxed so hard that USC's pips start squeaking. Any and all student loans associated with USC should be considered Odious Debt and it should be discharged in court(USC must be made responsible for the student loan balance). All student loan funds currently connected to USC, and owed to the federal government, the California state government or private lenders, should be paid by USC.
All employees of the University of Southern California should be immediately fired. These employees should have their pension and health benefits immediately taken from them.
All foreigners enrolled in USC should be deported immediately.
Wipe the University of Southern California off the map.Replies: @Olorin
Oh, good idea! All those whites living on those pensions outside of California will be happy to hear they’re the enemy in your proxy war on anti-whites!
Not that I like most of these people myself or want them in my rural area…but get a flippin’ grip. You bash and liquidate pensions, you’re bashing and liquidating whites. Who the hell do you think is over 65 in the Former Majority White Demographic US at this point?
Fun fact: 80% (ish) of the white public retirees from California whom I know personally (admittedly mostly through gun circles) voted for Reagan, realized it was a mistake after his amnesty handed their state’s votes over to the melanists forever, and left because of that. I like to tweak them about it, but it also offers ample redpilling opportunities.
They all did more or less productive work, though many gamed the system. But at this point I’d rather pay to support their pensions than welfare for the dim, feckless, and reproductively hyper-driven.
Thought I was reading Whiskey for a moment there.
On topic:
Too many Mexicans
http://www.santamariasun.com/news/17320/santa-maria-city-council-further-restricts-h2a-housing-in-residential-neighborhoods/
In my case, the correct answer is always North Carolina.Replies: @Rex Little, @Reg Cæsar
That makes sense. My (Thai) wife, whenever she meets another Asian (or just passes one on the street), will ask them where they’re from.
http://www.classical-music.com/news/major-london-music-college-aims-end-all-male-concert-programmesReplies: @Ivy, @james wilson
True greatness in musical composition–in any form–is the most elusive form of genius of all. No more than a few dozen men have been blessed with it over the centuries, two or three hundred if you include one and done’s, which I might. None are women. None are Asian, which is also remarkable. Of average talent myself, being male does not give me a dog in this fight. But the war on noticing does.
Also, in order to gain access to white nations, they must convince white people that Diversity is good and that whiteness is somehow ‘racist’ and only be redeemed by invasion by non-whites.
Ironically, they degrade and discredit whiteness in order to gain access to it.
It’s like this. Suppose someone had a big lump of gold while I got a a lump of lead.
Suppose I want to take his gold.
Now, if I told him that he got something precious while I got something crappy, he will hold onto his gold.
So, I must go for another tactic. I would try to convince him that his gold has little value, indeed is equal to my lead or even less precious. I would try to convince him that it’s irrational for him to see his gold as precious. In the name of Metal Equality, all metals are equal in value, so maybe he should give me his gold for my lead.
Suppose the guy is dumb enough to fall of this. Then, he would be a total cucky-wuck.
I would have convinced him that his gold is worthless precisely because, deep down inside, I see it as worth a million.
Don’t be like Indians who sold Manhattan for a bead necklace.
ReplyReplies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Paleo Liberal, @Stebbing Heuer
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Seriously: good post. Thank you.
You got your facts mixed-up. Actually, it’s non-whites who are invading white countries for “free stuff and gimmedats”.
“Complete crap, of course. But we expect nothing less from you.”
Read and learn.
Thaddeus Russell explains in his book “The Renegade History of the United States,”
how the Irish “stole all the good jobs” and were “shiftless and lazy” upon arriving on our beautiful shores in the 1850’s. They were viewed as the “nonwhite ‘missing link’ between the superior European and the savage African. Russell notes from a excerpt from the Boston Globe during this decade that “In the popular press, the Irish were depicted as subhuman. They were carriers of disease. They were drawn as lazy, clannish, unclean, drunken brawlers who wallowed in crime and bred like rats. Most disturbingly, the Irish were Roman Catholics coming to an overwhelmingly Protestant nation and their devotion to the pope made their allegiance to the United States suspect.”
Noel Ignatiev explains in his book “How The Irish Became White” that “While the white skin made the Irish eligible for membership in the white race, it did not guarantee their admission; they had to earn it.”
Whether they were accepted with open arms by the existing population is another story. Each immigrant group from Europe went through a similar period in which they were viewed with suspicion by the existing population until they weren't.
I recall transferring to my first duty assignment after basic training. I legally was assigned to an infantry company because I had valid orders. But that didn't mean the guys in my new company welcomed me with open arms. I was basically told that as a new member of the unit I needed to keep my mouth shut and ears open, and I endured several shit tests for a period of time until it stopped, and I was one of the guys. But by the time it occurred, I had blended in with them, not the other way around.
Note I changed for the group, not the other way. And so to with early European immigrants who caught hell when they got off the boat with their foreign tongue, distinctive clothing, grooming and other habits. There was a push among those groups to ape WASP behavior as part of the process of their becoming American.Replies: @Corvinus, @WJ
Ignatiev is a fraud and an anti-white bigot.
He's full of crap. So are you.Replies: @Corvinus
“False, Crow. They don’t come to ‘Merica because imperialist destruct. They come because America offers greater opportunity.”
In large part as a result of their loss of opportunities by the European “invade the world, invite the world” crowd.
“What is your remedy for this?”
I actually have stated that immigration to our nation ought to be limited, and that those companies who employ illegals ought to be arrested and tried in a court of law.
“I have never seen a dark-skinned Irish person. In fact, most Irish people I’ve met have been quite fair-skinned. When were the Irish dark and how dark were they? Why would they have been darker than a Spaniards, or even Italians?”
Darkies, as in in half-savages. The Irish were relegated to the bottom half of the European ethnic totem pole. Just like their black brethren, they were considered sub-human. You know, other than desirable.
http://www.printmag.com/illustration/nast-irish/
Listen, I’m asking for a friend. Is it OK for a white person to have their own position regarding race and culture without being labeled a “cuck” or “race traitor”?
Sure it is. Just like it's OK for a white person to have a position regarding race and culture that doesn't conform with that of the white establishment without being labeled a 'racist' or 'Nazi'.
Nope.
I’d agree it takes a bit more insight into civilization–what it is, how it works–to see that feminism is a mortal threat, while the mortal threat of invasion is obvious.
But … that doesn’t somehow flip reality. Invasion–as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration–is the greatest threat to any civilization. Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion. Everything else is built on top of that.
Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it–100 years in–and we’d be maybe 4 IQ points dumber. But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around. The worst effect of feminism is actually that feckless feminine thought is enabling the immigration invasion.
Feminism is a chronic disease–like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can’t repel the invaders, they kill you!
Radical feminism, NOT feminism, is indeed a threat. Listen, even if the U.S. falls by 2033, our society is not going to be reverting back to 1935. Give it up already.
"Invasion–as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration–is the greatest threat to any civilization."
It's actually not an invasion.
"Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion."
Assuming there is an invasion. Moreover, civilization entails more than your simplistic definition.
"Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it–100 years in–and we’d be maybe 4 IQ points dumber.
"But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around."
No thanks, Margaret Sanger. But perhaps you do fit Oliver Wendell Holmes famous words in the Buck vs. Bell case--three generation of idiots is enough.
"Feminism is a chronic disease–like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can’t repel the invaders, they kill you!"
Fake News Story.Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad
… there are so many in Ireland largely due to the huge influx of heavily pregnant females who arrived in recent years from West Africa in order to give birth on Irish soil and thus claim citizenship for the child … generous, foolish Ireland !
That is funny. I don’t think I’m alone in noticing that women often have more antagonism towards women than men, so to make a male insult a function of a female insult makes sense in that regard, as it lies easiest on the tongue.
Darkies, as in in half-savages. The Irish were relegated to the bottom half of the European ethnic totem pole. Just like their black brethren, they were considered sub-human. You know, other than desirable.
http://www.printmag.com/illustration/nast-irish/
Listen, I'm asking for a friend. Is it OK for a white person to have their own position regarding race and culture without being labeled a "cuck" or "race traitor"?Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Massimo Heitor, @Mishra, @Anonymous
” Is it OK for a white person to have their own position regarding race and culture without being labeled a ‘cuck’ or ‘race traitor’? ”
Sure it is. Just like it’s OK for a white person to have a position regarding race and culture that doesn’t conform with that of the white establishment without being labeled a ‘racist’ or ‘Nazi’.
This would make a good movie.
http://stuartschneiderman.blogspot.com/2018/04/a-postmodern-thelma-and-louise.html
What’s your ethnicity? I need to know how important I should consider your posts. Are you 100% NE, or only part?
From “To Many White People” to “Too Many White People”.
Go to where whire people are and then complain you aren’t getting enough of white goodies.
Sexual libertinism in all its forms has the main effect of suppressing fertility among white people, reducing their share of the population. Meanwhile, the non-white share of the population is increased directly via immigration and indirectly via the smaller impact of the sexually libertine culture on the fertility of these demographic groups. This is exacerbated by the progressive's environmental views, which are much more likely to persuade white people to curb their fertility than other ethnic groups.
I guess this should have been obvious to me much sooner, but I just never really appreciated the significance of identity politics. When progressives talk so much about white racism and white privilege, it should not be surprising that they want to reduce the population share and influence of white people. It's just now they have become so blatant and explicit about it that it's impossible not to notice. And of course, just to notice this, makes you a racist! I know this is not news to most people here, but it must be dawning on more and more people.Replies: @sayless, @Anonym
Thanks, slow learner. We do know it but haven’t seen it out quite that clearly before.
In large part as a result of their loss of opportunities by the European "invade the world, invite the world" crowd.
"What is your remedy for this?"
I actually have stated that immigration to our nation ought to be limited, and that those companies who employ illegals ought to be arrested and tried in a court of law.Replies: @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro, @Neil Templeton
We actually do restrict immigration , otherwise we would have allowed 125 million in over the last decade instead of allowing in 12 million. But we need to restrict immigration back down to 450,000 per year , as we did from 1970 – 1985
And the trouble with me saying so is that's like a cliche and you probably won't stop and think about what it means.
You have a hand to play - it has value so it's worth playing, but if you overplay it, you may lose everything, but if you play it right things might work out.I've lived in some pretty "white" places and you know what blows me away about America: we are such mutts.Seriously people get in online echo chambers like this and nothing will crack it - they have no idea how many people they are losing because most people just aren't a pure shade 'o white, let alone a white male. But if you look carefully at all these folks - there's nothing wrong with them - and no reason they can't be on your side. Next HS football season pick 5 Fridays, then go to five high school football games, 10 schools. Just people watch. You'll see. That's "who we are".Secondly - "white people" whatever that is - don't think they owe anything to each other - and that includes the most self-white-identified people. Think anyone commenting on Unz is going out to help homeless, because the homeless are white? Volunteer in drug rehab because the addicts are white? Any of them gave someone a job, because the applicant was white? Or: if they did - do you think the applicant appreciated it and went the extra mile to return the favor? Think two white people negotiating a contract are any less likely to screw each other, because white? There is something of value - so that's why I say you have a hand to play and since it has value it's worth playing, but it has about as much to do with "white" as it does with having the last name "Smith" and "Jones".Replies: @Anon
You have a hand to play – it has value so it’s worth playing, but if you overplay it, you may lose everything, but if you play it right things might work out.
How about avoid demographic casinos altogether and NOT play at all? Then, there’s nothing to lose.
Just keep the nest egg.
I’ve lived in some pretty “white” places and you know what blows me away about America: we are such mutts.
White dogs attract other dogs and, for a while, there is a tolerable state of modest mutt-hood. But as non-white dogs keep coming and breeding and interbreeding, it all goes to the dogs. After all, there are mutt-nations all over the world. But mutts there don’t like it and want to move to where white dogs are. Even when dark mutts move to western nations that have been mutted, they prefer those with lots of white dogs. In other words, US and Canada are preferable to Latin America because the former two still have more white dogs.
many people they are losing because most people just aren’t a pure shade ‘o white
So, you say whites shouldn’t mindful of color. But the thing is non-whites are very mindful of color. They think ‘color’ all the time. They look at the map for white nations and move there.
Non-whites are even mindful of shades of color. When Africans and Muslims arrive in Europe, they pass across swarthy whites and try to go to pale white nations.
Secondly – “white people” whatever that is – don’t think they owe anything to each other – and that includes the most self-white-identified people. Think anyone commenting on Unz is going out to help homeless, because the homeless are white?
You’re talking of extreme cases. Sure, there will always be druggies, bums, and lunatics. No one expects whites to go around helping self-destructive white losers.
But there are general policies on the national level that are good for the community as a whole. Take something like ‘free trade’. Elites must ask what impact it will have on the nation as a whole. Or consider the impact of mass invasion. Or feminism that takes jobs away from men.
Who will benefit and who will lose out? So, even though most of us are not going to help people in drug rehab, we can support national policies that are mindful of what is good for the whole nation.
Now, are you just a troll? No one can be that insipid.
Their are still a number of Indians living in Brooklyn, many of them iron and steel workers. Since they already sold Manhattan, I am sure their descendants would sell the Brooklyn Bridge.
Of course I have no idea if this is true or not. I do know that Indians continued to live in Manhattan, sale or no sale. The Dutch built a wooden wall to keep them out -- the location of present day Wall Street. The Indians used the wall as firewood in the winter.
Just saying, the Indians in what later became NYC weren't quite as stupid as some people believed.Replies: @Anon
Well sure.. I’m just going by ‘when legend becomes fact, print the legend’.
Presumably they would prefer that to "Why don't you go back where you came from?"
Just how much tact are we supposed to waste on these uninvited, unwanted foreigners?Replies: @Paleo Liberal
A few problems with your logic.
The biggest complaints about “where are you from?” come from native-born Americans of Asian descent. Meaning, “where you came from” is the United States.
Also, the majority of the Asian immigrants are legal immigrants. You may not like our legal immigration policy, but legal immigrants were most certainly NOT uninvited. As for unwanted, clearly SOMEONE wanted them here.
How much tact are you supposed to use? Depends on how big a jerk you want to be. Maybe I’ve been spoiled by living in the Midwest for most of this century, where people tend to at least be nice to your face. Even the ones who screw you over are at least polite about it. I mean, was Paul Ryan ever nasty when he screwed people over?
These Asians may have been invited and wanted by our government but there are plenty of citizens who are as fed up as I am. I went from friendly and welcoming to full avoidance mode. For someone with a lifelong habit of chatting up strangers who seem open to conversation, that is a huge change.Replies: @J.Ross
http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/12/the-lefts-newest-nra-conspiracy-theory-approaches-9-11-truther-territory/
Here, read this, it’ll blow your mind:
A Handbook on Women in Firefighting: The changing face of the fire service.
https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/fa-128.pdf
Seriously, read through it. You won’t believe your eyes.Replies: @candid_observer
An excerpt from your link:
It’s a good thing firefighters aren’t engaged in life or death tasks. That would be a little scary.
This stuff is like the Clock Boy of shallow feminist propaganda.
Here is today's iteration (warning: images of fat rolls cannot be unseen).Replies: @Holden McGroin III
With a hat tip to Orwell, those pictures are double-plus
Ungood.
Shit!
White folks can’t even have no Chic-fila without the damn black folks come and messit up!
Why the hell we want them shooting up da MET?!
https://youtu.be/p4zoqrOu3mcReplies: @Anonymous, @Mishra
Sexual libertinism in all its forms has the main effect of suppressing fertility among white people, reducing their share of the population. Meanwhile, the non-white share of the population is increased directly via immigration and indirectly via the smaller impact of the sexually libertine culture on the fertility of these demographic groups. This is exacerbated by the progressive's environmental views, which are much more likely to persuade white people to curb their fertility than other ethnic groups.
I guess this should have been obvious to me much sooner, but I just never really appreciated the significance of identity politics. When progressives talk so much about white racism and white privilege, it should not be surprising that they want to reduce the population share and influence of white people. It's just now they have become so blatant and explicit about it that it's impossible not to notice. And of course, just to notice this, makes you a racist! I know this is not news to most people here, but it must be dawning on more and more people.Replies: @sayless, @Anonym
I’m not particularly bright so it took a long time for me to figure out what fundamentally drives the progressive agenda. In particular, I couldn’t work out why they are so keen on sexual libertinism but also push so strongly for the immigration of groups of people who do not share these libertine views. But it’s now clear to me that everything they do is directed towards reducing the white share of the population in historically-white countries and the influence white people have on these societies.
Exactly. I wouldn’t say that this knowledge is even that common among our side. However, if you ask the question “What would need to be promoted in order to reduce the white share of the population and its unity to the point where we were a powerless, disunited minority?”, well, you can see that every single means of pushing this is being pushed. From homo worship, transgenderism, limiting population for reasons of selfishness and purported environmental selflessness, to defeat “racism”, etc. etc. Sexual libertinism, single parenthood, pro-miscegenation, feminism and female careerism, everything.
For all who are capable, committing to a wife or a husband and building your own large family in spite of all the propaganda is the most powerful thing we can do. You can even apply a eugenic twist – the more capable you and your wife are, the more children you might feel compelled to have. Leftists get hives just thinking about this act of white supremacist oppressive hegemony, the fact that by not submitting to your own genocide you are literally Hitler.
OT by way of an anonymous Finn
MUST WATCH: Former head of British Armed Forces gets cut off by Sky when he goes off-script on Syria!
https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/984789066569998338
If we had an objective comedy sketch program that just cared about being funny they would have a female comedian in a fireman costume monolog this straight, then another do minimal variations on it in a heart surgery theatre, and end with a man representing the CIA assuring his bro over the phone that yeah there are totally weapons of mass destruction man ya gotta believe me.
Darkies, as in in half-savages. The Irish were relegated to the bottom half of the European ethnic totem pole. Just like their black brethren, they were considered sub-human. You know, other than desirable.
http://www.printmag.com/illustration/nast-irish/
Listen, I'm asking for a friend. Is it OK for a white person to have their own position regarding race and culture without being labeled a "cuck" or "race traitor"?Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Massimo Heitor, @Mishra, @Anonymous
Is it OK for a white person to have their own views on identity politics without other people having their views on his or her views? No. Everyone gets to have their views, including their views and labels on other people’s views.
We exist between Chaos and order , “civilization” . Two different gravitational forces pulling on us . The zenith of “civilization , Lagrangian point , was in the 19th Cent . We are currently hurtling back towards chaos .
Early 19th Century, up to mid-autumn 1828. I trace the beginning of the decline of Western Civilization back to 20 November 1828.
Bezos Blog:
Muh cheap meat, moar illegals.
Remarkably correct on the need to punish business owners, though. Of course, perhaps we could extend that to the tax-dodging oligarch who owns this propoganda factory. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/04/11/the-price-of-cheap-meat-raided-slaughterhouses-and-upended-communities/?utm_term=.a04a919df1a2Replies: @Stan Adams
Tomato farmers in South Florida say they’re being driven out of business by the outsourcing of their industry to Mexico.
This article – “Hurricane NAFTA” – ran on the front page of today’s South Dade News Leader, a small weekly paper in Homestead:
http://www.southdadenewsleader.com/news/hurricane-nafta/article_5ec17128-3eaf-11e8-a238-6360cd1b9a7c.html
OT Anti-GMO activist found dead in pool shortly before presenting petition to EPA. The petition had two hundred thousand signatures opposing the introduction of genetically engineered mosquitoes.
http://wjla.com/news/local/fire-crews-responding-to-report-of-possible-drowning-at-hotel-at-dc-convention-center
https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-04-13-anti-gmo-activist-found-dead-in-hotel-pool-hours-before-planned-delivery-of-200000-petition-signatures-to-the-epa.html
Bloomberg: Hungary is winning its war on Muslim migrants [and here’s why that’s a bad thing].
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2018-04-13/hungary-is-winning-its-war-on-muslim-immigrants
I added that last part. I think the people who flog the aging nations line have never had a relative in a nursing home staffed with mystery meat, or ever seen the videos of “nurses” laughing while the slap the back of a confused elder man’s head.
Great story bro. Must’ve slept through the part where Russell and Ignatiev are trustworthy or authoritative…
Drunken Irish ranting.
Even Hollywood knows how stupid the “Irish were treated like negros” BS is.
Total # of movies showing Irish treated like Negros in America: 0.
Even Hollywood pulls back from the sort of fantasy Corvanus peddles.
Maybe the Irish themselves aren't exactly proud of their treatment back then and would just as soon it be forgotten. I mean, why look like losers? What's uplifting about that?
If so, it worked out to the better for them rather than wallowing in the past.
I'd agree it takes a bit more insight into civilization--what it is, how it works--to see that feminism is a mortal threat, while the mortal threat of invasion is obvious.
But ... that doesn't somehow flip reality. Invasion--as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration--is the greatest threat to any civilization. Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion. Everything else is built on top of that.
Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it--100 years in--and we'd be maybe 4 IQ points dumber. But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around. The worst effect of feminism is actually that feckless feminine thought is enabling the immigration invasion.
Feminism is a chronic disease--like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can't repel the invaders, they kill you!Replies: @Corvinus, @L Woods
“I’d agree it takes a bit more insight into civilization–what it is, how it works–to see that feminism is a mortal threat, while the mortal threat of invasion is obvious.”
Radical feminism, NOT feminism, is indeed a threat. Listen, even if the U.S. falls by 2033, our society is not going to be reverting back to 1935. Give it up already.
“Invasion–as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration–is the greatest threat to any civilization.”
It’s actually not an invasion.
“Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion.”
Assuming there is an invasion. Moreover, civilization entails more than your simplistic definition.
“Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it–100 years in–and we’d be maybe 4 IQ points dumber.
“But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around.”
No thanks, Margaret Sanger. But perhaps you do fit Oliver Wendell Holmes famous words in the Buck vs. Bell case–three generation of idiots is enough.
“Feminism is a chronic disease–like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can’t repel the invaders, they kill you!”
Fake News Story.
Unless you want to count that time Hollywood made that movie about how the horrible Yankees stole all the Negro slaves from Scarlett O’Hara, as if she were no better than a Negro.
I guess that counts.
If it’s as inevitable as you claim, telling us to “give it up already” makes no sense. It’s a total waste of time and effort. I mean, it’s inevitable; what does it matter whether we give up or not?
The admonishment belies the description; you admonish because you know it isn’t inevitable…
OT awaiting announcement of action in Syria very soon.
FOLLOW UP to that lesbian driving a camperful of black adoptees off a cliff, police now say she was drunk.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/crime/article/Police-Woman-who-drove-SUV-with-family-off-cliff-12832679.php
Call it. what it is. Non-lethal weapons of mass destruction.
I saw the unofficial tapes which included live so called victims.
Why isn't everyone dead????
A typical car bomb can often kill more than the 40 something alleged dead.
JESUS CHRIST Steve…Trump has just opened the gates of hell tonight….
Make a thread about Syria.
Also Corvinus’ inability to quote after so many years continues to amuse me.
OT: I know the big news is our retribution for the false flag for israel attack on Syria, but this is entertaining. That indian comedian who made the documentary about Apu and the Simpsons is going after Harry Shearer, Al Jean and the other “old white guys” from the Simpsons and he has a twitter army of indians and cuckish white guys joining in! I wish I could somehow get in there and bring up the J word!
This is somewhat off topic (or maybe it’s because too many white people?) but I know some of you have been following this story.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5610533/Man-called-911-abused-kids-months-Calif-SUV-crash.html?mrn_rm=als1
It seems they determined it was Thelma and Louise.
Trump attacks Syria. Heads explode.
OT:
A reminder of how culturally divergent New York media elites are from normal people: An entire article in the New Yorker about a Chick-fil-A opening in their neighborhood. Apparently, the friendly vibe is creepy. Also, the owners are Christians.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-gastronomy/chick-fil-as-creepy-infiltration-of-new-york-city
These critics don't hate Christianity, they hate success, human accomplishment, and all that is good in the world. And they would relax if they tried the Chik-Fil-A.Replies: @ben tillman
https://www.thrillist.com/eat/chick-fil-a-nyc-locations-gay-rights-activists And even the tranny animal-rights wackos have backed off: It is my observation that gay- and tranny-rights activists do nothing but spray feces - figuratively and (disturbingly often) literally. Truthfully, I do find the speciesist lack of diversity in Chick-fil-A's ads disturbing. All we ever see are cows. A truly representative company would include pigs ("Eat les bacin!") and lambs ("Say noe to gyrows!") in its promotional campaigns. I'm baffled by folks who have nothing better to do with their lives than to obsess about where strangers eat lunch. Remember when it was the Left that accused the Right of trying to regulate private behavior? ("What people do with their own time and their own money is no one else's business!")Incidentally, the only Chick-fil-A near me is in a mall food court. It's always very crowded. I do like the chicken, but I haven't been there in a while - my schedule doesn't allow much time for mallratting these days.In fact, the last time I went to the mall was back in January, on the weekend before Martin Luther King Jr. Day. The Microsoft store, of all places, was plastered with huge signs imploring customers to "celebrate" his life.Speaking of MLK, was anyone else surprised to see what a big deal they made of his fiftieth deathday a couple of weeks ago? At least one of my local TV stations interrupted regular programming to cover the anniversary events. I thought it was morbid, to say the least.Replies: @Brutusale
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/on-syria-trump-is-finally-learning-the-dangers-of-military-might
Why isn’t everyone dead????
A typical car bomb can often kill more than the 40 something alleged dead.
OT reaction to Syrian attack on 4chan
I haven’t been able to post on 4chan at all — on boards where I am not banned outright I get a new “connection error” — but the /pol/ board is almost one hundred per cent glow in the dark US government material, both demoralization (Trump betrayed you!) and recruitment (Get on the winning team!). The reaction of real posters is consistently disgust moderated by hope that it won’t be so bad.
In large part as a result of their loss of opportunities by the European "invade the world, invite the world" crowd.
"What is your remedy for this?"
I actually have stated that immigration to our nation ought to be limited, and that those companies who employ illegals ought to be arrested and tried in a court of law.Replies: @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro, @Neil Templeton
I’m thinking the “loss of opportunities” in the invade the world phase is, in current times, actually a gain in opportunity due to explicit and implicit deals made for cooperation during the invasion. We should eliminate the opportunity for deal-making granted to our foreign service employees and punish those who abused the privilege heretofore. To make an example that those who follow may learn from. Regarding impartial refugees from conflicts funded by America, is their refugee status the fault of America, or the fault of the societal schisms in place long before US $$$ came into play?
You do realize that you engaged in SJW logic here, right? Besides, who are trying to kid when those deals were decidedly in favor of those invading. Africans and Asians were perfectly content with managing their own civilization without European jackboots on the ground.
"Regarding impartial refugees from conflicts funded by America, is their refugee status the fault of America, or the fault of the societal schisms in place long before US $$$ came into play?"
Those societal schisms were in large part due to American foreign policies, as well as European imperialistic machinations. Do not be a fool.Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Radical feminism, NOT feminism, is indeed a threat. Listen, even if the U.S. falls by 2033, our society is not going to be reverting back to 1935. Give it up already.
"Invasion–as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration–is the greatest threat to any civilization."
It's actually not an invasion.
"Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion."
Assuming there is an invasion. Moreover, civilization entails more than your simplistic definition.
"Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it–100 years in–and we’d be maybe 4 IQ points dumber.
"But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around."
No thanks, Margaret Sanger. But perhaps you do fit Oliver Wendell Holmes famous words in the Buck vs. Bell case--three generation of idiots is enough.
"Feminism is a chronic disease–like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can’t repel the invaders, they kill you!"
Fake News Story.Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad
Suppose it were an armed invasion, what counsel would you give?
Then drones would strike them down. A wild response to a wild question.Replies: @Rosie
Radical feminism, NOT feminism, is indeed a threat. Listen, even if the U.S. falls by 2033, our society is not going to be reverting back to 1935. Give it up already.
"Invasion–as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration–is the greatest threat to any civilization."
It's actually not an invasion.
"Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion."
Assuming there is an invasion. Moreover, civilization entails more than your simplistic definition.
"Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it–100 years in–and we’d be maybe 4 IQ points dumber.
"But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around."
No thanks, Margaret Sanger. But perhaps you do fit Oliver Wendell Holmes famous words in the Buck vs. Bell case--three generation of idiots is enough.
"Feminism is a chronic disease–like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can’t repel the invaders, they kill you!"
Fake News Story.Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad
It actually is, idiot.
Activists deface Jefferson statue at University of Virginia with the words ‘racist’ and ‘rapist’ before celebrations to mark 275th anniversary of his birth


At least the Daily Mail admits that there is no proof of Jefferson’s supposed sexual relationship with Sally Hemings. Something the MSM in the USA just can’t bear to do..
The only reason the invasion isn’t armed is because (thanks to people like Corvinus) it doesn’t need to be.
The scots Irish aren’t really Irish. They were put there in the 1620s to kill off the Irish so the English could take over the country.
The plan didn’t work out so the Scots who had lived in Ireland for a couple generations left for America.Replies: @Roderick Spode
You are retarded.
This is FEMA. It’s not HuffPo or Jezebel. It just seems like it.
The symbolism is pretty obvious, but why are they doing it in the first place? Aren't they scared that ordinaries will see a lot of truth in it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09z08w3 Available online after broadcast!Replies: @Mishra, @Harry Baldwin
Enduring influence! Yep, Enoch Powell pretty much designed the world we’re living in.
Darkies, as in in half-savages. The Irish were relegated to the bottom half of the European ethnic totem pole. Just like their black brethren, they were considered sub-human. You know, other than desirable.
http://www.printmag.com/illustration/nast-irish/
Listen, I'm asking for a friend. Is it OK for a white person to have their own position regarding race and culture without being labeled a "cuck" or "race traitor"?Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Massimo Heitor, @Mishra, @Anonymous
Your endless pretzel logic would be amusing were it not so hateful.
Hateful against whom?
If so then feminism is very much tribal.Replies: @Hhsiii, @Reg Cæsar
Yeah, people with Hebrew names like Susan B Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Abigail Adams, Mary Wollstonecraft…
Did pat yourself on your back again (are you in the triple digits of self congratulations today? Oh, four digits? - way to go Corvinus!)Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Corvini don’t have digits, they have talons.
That may depend on which Jefferson you’re talking about. There were some two dozen adult male ones in Sally’s proximity.
My comment, which you selectively quoted, made reference to “second-wave feminism”. Are Susan B Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Abigail Adams, and Mary Wollstonecraft second-wave feminists? I thought they were long dead and buried by the time second-wave feminism hit.
These are my kind of WAVES:
http://www.nww2m.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/WAVESbooklet200001-e1343664484512.jpgReplies: @istevefan
Shit!
White folks can’t even have no Chic-fila without the damn black folks come and messit up!
Why the hell we want them shooting up da MET?!
https://youtu.be/p4zoqrOu3mcReplies: @Anonymous, @Mishra
Oh man. I’d pay extra to see a ‘negro slapfight with firearms’ at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Damn place needs some vibrancy, gnome sane?
OT – Are they Russians ever going to respond? At what point will popular opinion turn against Putin for sitting on his hands? At some point you’d think they would have to respond to save face, even if it meant risking a wider war. How much humiliation can Russia take?
Unless she has some serious physical disability, a very serious felony history, is too fat to climb the steps of a GE Dash 9 locomotive, or is actually borderline (or worse) mentally retarded, I know an employer who will hire her and put her to work. The work is usually not all that hard although occasionally a little effort actually be needed. Hours can be a little odd. But the pay is excellent-never less than $50K a year, first year, and eventually will probably six figures with some overtime.
They show some interest until I tell them what the job is. "It's the railroad".
Seriously, most Class 1 railroads in the US and some of the Class 2s are utterly obsessed with "Diversity Hires"-females, blacks and mestizos. (Asians too, but Asians are not interested either, and they are not especially hot to hire them: they are considered more or less whites. The only Asians I saw in the yard the last time I was on property were math heads on a track geometry car.)
The females, of any race including white, are not applying. They do not want to be train crew. Nor carmen-I mean carpersons-nor the diesel shop.
But the railroads still spend a lot of effort to persuade them and will hire almost any that apply even if it means waiving every possible requirement from the job description. Can't pick up a coupler knuckle? No problem. Functionally illiterate? Ehhh. Zero mechanical aptitude? That's trainable. Meanwhile, pale males (especially if stale) are stuck on the ground and the system is understaffed, running up overtime and delaying freight.Replies: @Mishra
It’s not just your field. It’s virtually every field.
So on the face of things, if those kind of stats are replicated in the US, Ms Oliver may have a point.
Maybe male Art History students tend to have some other special quality that enables top-grade networking?Replies: @Mishra
Male graduates actually have to work for a living, almost entirely without exception. Females studying art history just want a ‘fun’ degree program.
A reminder of how culturally divergent New York media elites are from normal people: An entire article in the New Yorker about a Chick-fil-A opening in their neighborhood. Apparently, the friendly vibe is creepy. Also, the owners are Christians.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-gastronomy/chick-fil-as-creepy-infiltration-of-new-york-cityReplies: @J.Ross, @Stan Adams, @anonymous
Seriously Chik-Fil-A is amazing, as is Zaxby’s and Culver’s. There is this tendency (rounded out by Rocket Burger and In-N-Out) of devout Christians operating diet-smashingly high quality fast food. The breast in the Chik-Fil-A spicy sandwich is fried in peanut oil.
These critics don’t hate Christianity, they hate success, human accomplishment, and all that is good in the world. And they would relax if they tried the Chik-Fil-A.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2a7wnyd.jpgReplies: @J.Ross
Something tells me that within minutes of releasing the track an alternate version will be available without the thought-minder interruptions. Very easy to do on free software.
Read and learn.
Thaddeus Russell explains in his book "The Renegade History of the United States,"
how the Irish "stole all the good jobs" and were "shiftless and lazy" upon arriving on our beautiful shores in the 1850's. They were viewed as the "nonwhite 'missing link' between the superior European and the savage African. Russell notes from a excerpt from the Boston Globe during this decade that "In the popular press, the Irish were depicted as subhuman. They were carriers of disease. They were drawn as lazy, clannish, unclean, drunken brawlers who wallowed in crime and bred like rats. Most disturbingly, the Irish were Roman Catholics coming to an overwhelmingly Protestant nation and their devotion to the pope made their allegiance to the United States suspect."
Noel Ignatiev explains in his book "How The Irish Became White" that “While the white skin made the Irish eligible for membership in the white race, it did not guarantee their admission; they had to earn it.”Replies: @istevefan, @Mr. Anon
Well if they arrived in the 1850s and were granted naturalization, then there were considered white by the government.
Whether they were accepted with open arms by the existing population is another story. Each immigrant group from Europe went through a similar period in which they were viewed with suspicion by the existing population until they weren’t.
I recall transferring to my first duty assignment after basic training. I legally was assigned to an infantry company because I had valid orders. But that didn’t mean the guys in my new company welcomed me with open arms. I was basically told that as a new member of the unit I needed to keep my mouth shut and ears open, and I endured several shit tests for a period of time until it stopped, and I was one of the guys. But by the time it occurred, I had blended in with them, not the other way around.
Note I changed for the group, not the other way. And so to with early European immigrants who caught hell when they got off the boat with their foreign tongue, distinctive clothing, grooming and other habits. There was a push among those groups to ape WASP behavior as part of the process of their becoming American.
Since when is the government ever right? Besides, just because the Irish were legally recognized as white, it does no mean socially they met that description.
But, I would imagine, using your logic, that it would be OK then for the government to grant naturalization to Central/South Americans and designate them as white. Just confirming for a friend.
"Whether they were accepted with open arms by the existing population is another story."
No, it's part of the same story.
"Each immigrant group from Europe went through a similar period in which they were viewed with suspicion by the existing population until they weren’t."
Replace "Europe" with "throughout the world".
"Note I changed for the group, not the other way."
Indeed, as do immigrants from places other than Europe today.
"And so to with early European immigrants who caught hell when they got off the boat with their foreign tongue, distinctive clothing, grooming and other habits. There was a push among those groups to ape WASP behavior as part of the process of their becoming American."
Indeed, non-European groups make that same push.
And there is absolutely nothing recognizably “Christian” about a Chik-Fil-A apart from the workers being genuinely friendly and the hours precluding work on Sunday. It’s not like they’ve got the Stations of the Cross on the way to the bathroom. Not like in an Einstein Brothers bagel shop, where not only is the interior decorating specifically stereotypically Jewish, but they never got the memo about the Frankfurt School being a one-off, and they embrace modern and abrasive art as an essentially Jewish thing. It is truly work for future historians that observing the in-your-face, proudly proclaimed ethnic backgrounds of employees and programmers at cultural engineering-prone media organs is taken as proof of “obsession,” but there’s nothing “obsessive” about constantly reminding people that Christians own Chik-Fil-A and Hobby Lobby. I wish I could show this behavior to a tolerance advocate in the past but it’s probably good that I can’t because it might give them pause.
Why do you go there?
Speaking as an MOT, I've never been to one of them, in fact, I had to google it to satisfy myself that it even existed outside of your fevered Jew-obsessed mind.
I'm more of a pizza fan, and in every authentic pizza shop I've ever been to, there is the same Italianish decor as there is Jewishish decor in Einstein's. What of it? It would never occur to me to be offended by it.
You're just offended that Jews exist.
Chik-Fil-A wants to appeal to the general consumer base - it doesn't have to engage in ethnic marketing. It's appeals to everyone.Replies: @J.Ross
CFA uses no religious imagery and even if they did, Stations of the Cross is a Catholic thing and they are fundies. The managers are good at avoiding theological discussions, such as why the Sabbath is now Sunday instead of sundown Friday to sundown Saturday (nowhere in the NT does it say to do that) and how seventh day whatever's couldn't own a CFA. I always get it across that the huge pepper grinder they all have on the ketchup counter is known in Paris as a Rubirosa, and why. They just look at you with that look that says they want to do something but dare not.Replies: @J.Ross
This Yousef kid makes good sense:
The biggest complaints about "where are you from?" come from native-born Americans of Asian descent. Meaning, "where you came from" is the United States.
Also, the majority of the Asian immigrants are legal immigrants. You may not like our legal immigration policy, but legal immigrants were most certainly NOT uninvited. As for unwanted, clearly SOMEONE wanted them here.
How much tact are you supposed to use? Depends on how big a jerk you want to be. Maybe I've been spoiled by living in the Midwest for most of this century, where people tend to at least be nice to your face. Even the ones who screw you over are at least polite about it. I mean, was Paul Ryan ever nasty when he screwed people over?Replies: @Kylie, @Mishra, @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro, @Rosie
My remarks weren’t meant to be logical, I was just venting. I’m from the Midwest and I am nice to people’s faces. But I lived in a college town for years (Columbia, MO, home of Mizzou) and I had a bellyful of the snotty attitudes of Asians toward white Americans (they don’t even acknowledge the existence of blacks).
These Asians may have been invited and wanted by our government but there are plenty of citizens who are as fed up as I am. I went from friendly and welcoming to full avoidance mode. For someone with a lifelong habit of chatting up strangers who seem open to conversation, that is a huge change.
Closing racial gaps in performance. Now THAT is impossible. Why doesn’t Corvanus tell leftists to “give it up already”?
OT THIS IS T. LOTHROP STODDARD’S FAULT!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5611277/Father-throws-six-month-old-daughter-roof-shack.html
Can’t prove it but it looks like the Russians were in on it: discussions through back channels, plenty of lead time, no significant loss of life or resources. And the neocon cartoon of a dumb potato-farming Russki worried about looking weak is a neat parallel to the neocon cartoon of an obedient American trooper. Russians have been consistent in not wanting the Syrian situation to get too big or costly.
A reminder of how culturally divergent New York media elites are from normal people: An entire article in the New Yorker about a Chick-fil-A opening in their neighborhood. Apparently, the friendly vibe is creepy. Also, the owners are Christians.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-gastronomy/chick-fil-as-creepy-infiltration-of-new-york-cityReplies: @J.Ross, @Stan Adams, @anonymous
Even the gays are eating at Chick-fil-A these days:
https://www.thrillist.com/eat/chick-fil-a-nyc-locations-gay-rights-activists
And even the tranny animal-rights wackos have backed off:
It is my observation that gay- and tranny-rights activists do nothing but spray feces – figuratively and (disturbingly often) literally.
Truthfully, I do find the speciesist lack of diversity in Chick-fil-A’s ads disturbing. All we ever see are cows. A truly representative company would include pigs (“Eat les bacin!”) and lambs (“Say noe to gyrows!”) in its promotional campaigns.
I’m baffled by folks who have nothing better to do with their lives than to obsess about where strangers eat lunch. Remember when it was the Left that accused the Right of trying to regulate private behavior? (“What people do with their own time and their own money is no one else’s business!”)
Incidentally, the only Chick-fil-A near me is in a mall food court. It’s always very crowded. I do like the chicken, but I haven’t been there in a while – my schedule doesn’t allow much time for mallratting these days.
In fact, the last time I went to the mall was back in January, on the weekend before Martin Luther King Jr. Day. The Microsoft store, of all places, was plastered with huge signs imploring customers to “celebrate” his life.
Speaking of MLK, was anyone else surprised to see what a big deal they made of his fiftieth deathday a couple of weeks ago? At least one of my local TV stations interrupted regular programming to cover the anniversary events. I thought it was morbid, to say the least.
Free wifi conquers all!
The biggest complaints about "where are you from?" come from native-born Americans of Asian descent. Meaning, "where you came from" is the United States.
Also, the majority of the Asian immigrants are legal immigrants. You may not like our legal immigration policy, but legal immigrants were most certainly NOT uninvited. As for unwanted, clearly SOMEONE wanted them here.
How much tact are you supposed to use? Depends on how big a jerk you want to be. Maybe I've been spoiled by living in the Midwest for most of this century, where people tend to at least be nice to your face. Even the ones who screw you over are at least polite about it. I mean, was Paul Ryan ever nasty when he screwed people over?Replies: @Kylie, @Mishra, @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro, @Rosie
So what? A fair number of “SOMEONES” want to see my country transformed into a third-world hellhole with only a tiny, fortunate minority lording it all over the various warring tribes, scrambling for scraps. And their plan is well on its way to fruition. Why should we kowtow to it, for even a moment?
However, it IS incorrect to say legal immigrants were uninvited and unwanted. Perhaps not invited nor wanted by you, but you obviously aren't the one with the power. Our country follows the Golden Rule. You don't have the gold, so you don't make the rules.
Reality is often not very fair.Replies: @Mishra
white christians are the scourge of the earth
“OT – Are they Russians ever going to respond? At what point will popular opinion turn against Putin for sitting on his hands? At some point you’d think they would have to respond to save face, even if it meant risking a wider war. How much humiliation can Russia take?”
I’ve thought the same. They have publicly stated that there will be consequences for this attack, so we’ll see in the coming days if there is.
As an aside, there is no way the Russians didn’t know about this attack as it was happening, whatever anyone may say. These were all cruise missiles, so they could have been shot down – cruise missiles are relatively slow flying and non-stealthy; therefore, they are more easily intercepted (even by fighter aircraft) and destroyed.
If I were a Russian advisor, I might recommend attacking Libya in response. The chances of retaliation from the government are very low, it’s nearby, and there are probably at least a few good targets there – including American contractors they could target in revenge for Russian contractors being killed a few weeks ago (Pompeo crowed about it recently: “they met their match”). They could justify it as a humanitarian mission but attack their oil facilities while they are at it and give a boost to the Russian economy.
These Asians may have been invited and wanted by our government but there are plenty of citizens who are as fed up as I am. I went from friendly and welcoming to full avoidance mode. For someone with a lifelong habit of chatting up strangers who seem open to conversation, that is a huge change.Replies: @J.Ross
You’re absolutely right. I mean, it’s one thing to fall in love, and another to make it last.
Darkies, as in in half-savages. The Irish were relegated to the bottom half of the European ethnic totem pole. Just like their black brethren, they were considered sub-human. You know, other than desirable.
http://www.printmag.com/illustration/nast-irish/
Listen, I'm asking for a friend. Is it OK for a white person to have their own position regarding race and culture without being labeled a "cuck" or "race traitor"?Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Massimo Heitor, @Mishra, @Anonymous
That cartoon describes the Irish as white. If they hadn’t been considered white they wouldn’t have been allowed to settle in America. The problem with them was their clannish and anti-social behavior, which was believed to be due to their religion.
Anyway all of this is based on faulty/dishonest logic – it’s true that WASPs regarded the Irish as being a different race: Celtic instead of Anglo-Saxon/Germanic, but this has nothing to do with whiteness.
No. The Irish at this time were characterized as beasts or apes.
"If they hadn’t been considered white they wouldn’t have been allowed to settle in America."
They were considered savages who were sticking their snouts at the gimmedat trough. The Irish had no business here, according to the nativists.
"The problem with them was their clannish and anti-social behavior, which was believed to be due to their religion."
Not really problems, more like over broad generalizations. And since when does Roman Catholicism breed "anti-social behavior"?
"Anyway all of this is based on faulty/dishonest logic – it’s true that WASPs regarded the Irish as being a different race: Celtic instead of Anglo-Saxon/Germanic, but this has nothing to do with whiteness."
Except Celtic and Anglo-Saxon/Germanic are NOT races, they are ethnic groups. And it had everything to do with whiteness, or the perception of it.
Radical feminism, NOT feminism, is indeed a threat. Listen, even if the U.S. falls by 2033, our society is not going to be reverting back to 1935. Give it up already.
"Invasion–as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration–is the greatest threat to any civilization."
It's actually not an invasion.
"Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion."
Assuming there is an invasion. Moreover, civilization entails more than your simplistic definition.
"Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it–100 years in–and we’d be maybe 4 IQ points dumber.
"But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around."
No thanks, Margaret Sanger. But perhaps you do fit Oliver Wendell Holmes famous words in the Buck vs. Bell case--three generation of idiots is enough.
"Feminism is a chronic disease–like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can’t repel the invaders, they kill you!"
Fake News Story.Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad
Agreed, if we keep allowing the muzzies to flood in we’ll be reverting back to 635.
No. You really need to check your facts.
https://www.cato.org/blog/muslims-rapidly-adopt-us-social-political-valuesReplies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
And yet they were right. As late as the 1960s, some American Irish were still funding paramilitaries against supposedly allied UK and such sympathies extended to the political elites of Irish origin, like the Kennedys. The discussion of how previous outsider groups became part of the majority should not exclude the significant and long term troubles associated with the process. And, this is maybe speculative, while I have no problem with Catholics, I feel that, just like with the White Australia policy, the gradual softening on the stance for immigration leads to a slippery slope which inexorably leads to diluted national consciousness and fertile ground for non-European immigration. Just like I am starting to hear from acquaintances that “at least those immigrants are Christian” while referring to Africans and the like.
The Catholic population was less a divisor than a bridge, between two often at-each-others'-throats factions of Protestants.Replies: @Romanian
I'd agree it takes a bit more insight into civilization--what it is, how it works--to see that feminism is a mortal threat, while the mortal threat of invasion is obvious.
But ... that doesn't somehow flip reality. Invasion--as is now happening to the West, through mass immigration--is the greatest threat to any civilization. Civilization 101 is men being able to cooperate sufficiently to join together and repel invasion. Everything else is built on top of that.
Feminism is a long term threat. Another 50 years of it--100 years in--and we'd be maybe 4 IQ points dumber. But come to our senses and put in eugenic policies and that could be quickly turned around. The worst effect of feminism is actually that feckless feminine thought is enabling the immigration invasion.
Feminism is a chronic disease--like say diabetes. If not contained, yeah it will so mess you up, you die. But immigration\invasion is like the plague. If you can't repel the invaders, they kill you!Replies: @Corvinus, @L Woods
Feminism is a short term threat in the sense that it renders society unworth defending, against migrants or anything else. Why bother preserving “your” country when feminism eradicates your sense of security and ownership on the most basic level?
Total # of movies showing Irish treated like Negros in America: 0.
Even Hollywood pulls back from the sort of fantasy Corvanus peddles.Replies: @L Woods, @carol
Pretty sure they do that because the Irish are insufficiently leftist. Not out of some uncharacteristic regard for historical reality.
How about avoid demographic casinos altogether and NOT play at all? Then, there's nothing to lose.
Just keep the nest egg.
I’ve lived in some pretty “white” places and you know what blows me away about America: we are such mutts.
White dogs attract other dogs and, for a while, there is a tolerable state of modest mutt-hood. But as non-white dogs keep coming and breeding and interbreeding, it all goes to the dogs. After all, there are mutt-nations all over the world. But mutts there don't like it and want to move to where white dogs are. Even when dark mutts move to western nations that have been mutted, they prefer those with lots of white dogs. In other words, US and Canada are preferable to Latin America because the former two still have more white dogs.
many people they are losing because most people just aren’t a pure shade ‘o white
So, you say whites shouldn't mindful of color. But the thing is non-whites are very mindful of color. They think 'color' all the time. They look at the map for white nations and move there.
Non-whites are even mindful of shades of color. When Africans and Muslims arrive in Europe, they pass across swarthy whites and try to go to pale white nations.
Secondly – “white people” whatever that is – don’t think they owe anything to each other – and that includes the most self-white-identified people. Think anyone commenting on Unz is going out to help homeless, because the homeless are white?
You're talking of extreme cases. Sure, there will always be druggies, bums, and lunatics. No one expects whites to go around helping self-destructive white losers.
But there are general policies on the national level that are good for the community as a whole. Take something like 'free trade'. Elites must ask what impact it will have on the nation as a whole. Or consider the impact of mass invasion. Or feminism that takes jobs away from men.
Who will benefit and who will lose out? So, even though most of us are not going to help people in drug rehab, we can support national policies that are mindful of what is good for the whole nation.
Now, are you just a troll? No one can be that insipid.Replies: @HenryA
One bit of evidence that supports your mutt analogy is the gradual disappearance of blue eyes in large swaths of the U.S. Look at old photographs and notice how most white Americans in those black and white images have light washed out eyes indicating that they had blue irises. Compare that with what you see in places like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut or Pennsylvania. There are still lots of white people in those states, just not so many blue eyes anymore.
And they scoffed at the idea that there was a slippery slope that would see Jefferson or Washington targeted. Just a few months ago!
“Suppose it were an armed invasion, what counsel would you give?”
Then drones would strike them down. A wild response to a wild question.
Whether they were accepted with open arms by the existing population is another story. Each immigrant group from Europe went through a similar period in which they were viewed with suspicion by the existing population until they weren't.
I recall transferring to my first duty assignment after basic training. I legally was assigned to an infantry company because I had valid orders. But that didn't mean the guys in my new company welcomed me with open arms. I was basically told that as a new member of the unit I needed to keep my mouth shut and ears open, and I endured several shit tests for a period of time until it stopped, and I was one of the guys. But by the time it occurred, I had blended in with them, not the other way around.
Note I changed for the group, not the other way. And so to with early European immigrants who caught hell when they got off the boat with their foreign tongue, distinctive clothing, grooming and other habits. There was a push among those groups to ape WASP behavior as part of the process of their becoming American.Replies: @Corvinus, @WJ
“Well if they arrived in the 1850s and were granted naturalization, then there were considered white by the government.”
Since when is the government ever right? Besides, just because the Irish were legally recognized as white, it does no mean socially they met that description.
But, I would imagine, using your logic, that it would be OK then for the government to grant naturalization to Central/South Americans and designate them as white. Just confirming for a friend.
“Whether they were accepted with open arms by the existing population is another story.”
No, it’s part of the same story.
“Each immigrant group from Europe went through a similar period in which they were viewed with suspicion by the existing population until they weren’t.”
Replace “Europe” with “throughout the world”.
“Note I changed for the group, not the other way.”
Indeed, as do immigrants from places other than Europe today.
“And so to with early European immigrants who caught hell when they got off the boat with their foreign tongue, distinctive clothing, grooming and other habits. There was a push among those groups to ape WASP behavior as part of the process of their becoming American.”
Indeed, non-European groups make that same push.
“Agreed, if we keep allowing the muzzies to flood in we’ll be reverting back to 635.”
No. You really need to check your facts.
https://www.cato.org/blog/muslims-rapidly-adopt-us-social-political-values
Your credentials as an enemy of American citizens cannot be gainsaid. Congratulations. I am sure your pining for a position as a commissar will be rewarded and realized in our Glorious Soviet Future (tm).
But we remember Solzhenitsyn, though you either never knew him, or forgot him.
Corvinus enjoys inverting reality in his comments. He seems to think it is profound.
“I’m thinking the “loss of opportunities” in the invade the world phase is, in current times, actually a gain in opportunity due to explicit and implicit deals made for cooperation during the invasion.”
You do realize that you engaged in SJW logic here, right? Besides, who are trying to kid when those deals were decidedly in favor of those invading. Africans and Asians were perfectly content with managing their own civilization without European jackboots on the ground.
“Regarding impartial refugees from conflicts funded by America, is their refugee status the fault of America, or the fault of the societal schisms in place long before US $$$ came into play?”
Those societal schisms were in large part due to American foreign policies, as well as European imperialistic machinations. Do not be a fool.
I don't care whose logic it is. Is it true, or not?
"Besides, who are trying to kid when those deals were decidedly in favor of those invading. Africans and Asians were perfectly content with managing their own civilization without European jackboots on the ground."
You are over-generalizing here. In many if not most cases there were parties who favored American intervention, and were more than willing to cut deals for American support. Just as in America today, many peoples worldwide are willing to enlist the aid of an outsider to hammer on their ancient tribal enemies.
"Those societal schisms were in large part due to American foreign policies, as well as European imperialistic machinations. Do not be a fool."
The societal schisms existed long before the Europeans first appeared on the horizon. The Europeans may have aggravated or exploited existing schisms for various purposes, but they had no need to invent what was already extant. Why would one be a fool to doubt that American foreign policies were largely responsible for societal schisms in these areas? Do you have persuasive evidence that demonstrates my foolishness?
And the non-whites for whom you advocate are more invasive and imperialistic than whites. They are just less capable of building and maintaining a civilization.Replies: @Corvinus
“Too many counter examples: Australia; Canada…”
Which was colonized by the British, with the natives properly put in their place and with measures to ensure the financial success of its (white) citizens.
“and the Scandinavian countries don’t send their people around the world to load up on welfare benefits.”
You do realize that those nations have an extensive welfare system in place, right?
“And the non-whites for whom you advocate are more invasive and imperialistic than whites. They are just less capable of building and maintaining a civilization.”
No, the non-whites did build civilizations. Just not ones with advanced technology. You really get hung up on this notion that European-white civilization is the gold standard. Pro-tip –> It’s about human civilization.
Can you think of any other historical civilization in which you'd rather live besides this one? Before you answer, make a list of all of the modern conveniences upon which you rely. Chances are that the vast majority of them were invented by whites.
Technological advancements created by European white civilization have made it possible for us to have this little exchange of views, despite the fact that we live hundreds or even thousands of miles apart. Are you saying that you'd rather live in a world where integrated circuits don't exist?
Do you live in a house that provides full protection from the elements? Does your house have air conditioning? Heating? Do you have running water? Do you have a toilet, a sink, and a shower stall in any of your bathrooms? How about a bathtub? Do you have a stove, a microwave, and a refrigerator in your kitchen? Do you have a toaster? A can opener?
How about a car? Do you have a car? How about a bicycle?
Would you want to live in a civilization that lacked all of these conveniences? (Note that I haven't even begun talking about luxuries such as television, iPhones, computers, Internet access, and so on.)
Every time you click "Publish Comment," you are validating the supremacy of European-white civilization. Think about it.Replies: @Corvinus
You and res need a history lesson. Europeans got free stuff and gimmedats in the form of slave labor and by way of resource plundering. Now, of course they did what other peoples have done since the dawn of time. But the fact remains that a number of European nations, rather than regularly purchasing natural resources from the Asians and Africans at a fair market price, simply helped themselves time and time again, using shady tactics and violence to accomplish their goals.
“Cecil Rhodes and seven partners owned a block of 90 claims in the De Beers Mining Company Ltd, named for its land holdings on the old De Beers ranch. Rhodes was a successful politician, and he helped to draft laws that protected the mining companies. Taxation on mining profits was kept very low. The Diamond Trade Act was aimed at diamond stealing and smuggling, but it also set two very dangerous social precedents. First, anyone found with an uncut diamond was required to explain how it came into his possession, that is, guilt was assumed while innocence had to be proved. This is a European concept, but is not usually found in English or American law. Second, the Diamond Trade Act allowed the companies to set up “searching-houses” in a system of routine surveillance, searching, and stripping by company police. This curtailment of private rights and personal liberty became a fact of South African society. The companies were forced by strikes to be more lenient to their white workers than to blacks. The logical extension of this policy was to set up segregated, controlled, fenced-off compounds to house Africans for the length of their work contracts with the company: the first apartheid.”
http://mygeologypage.ucdavis.edu/cowen/~gel115/115ch15diamonds.html
But at least we can take comfort that Rhodes said it was OK to be white–“I contend that we [the British] are the first race in the world, and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race.”
A reminder of how culturally divergent New York media elites are from normal people: An entire article in the New Yorker about a Chick-fil-A opening in their neighborhood. Apparently, the friendly vibe is creepy. Also, the owners are Christians.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-gastronomy/chick-fil-as-creepy-infiltration-of-new-york-cityReplies: @J.Ross, @Stan Adams, @anonymous
The author is described as based in Brooklyn but it doesn’t say where. Bet the farm it’s not working class, blue-collar Brooklyn, most of whose denizens still think of themselves as citizens of America.
There was a lot of criticism of Irish as drunken louts, less than loyal, etc, sure, and yes, most of it was probably accurate. But the whole “we were treated like Negros” “we wuz suh-laves” “we wuz seen as buh-lack” narrative is preposterous.
Lol! Any time I’ve asked an Asian where they were from I thought I was expressing interest in them and their culture. It never occurred to me that they might somehow find it insulting. Are we not supposed to notice that they’re foreign?Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Billy Shears, @penskefile
This reminds me of a recent funny, family story.
We were on the airport shuttle back to our car in Austin returning from a vacation to LA. One of my sons was carrying a “coolie” hat that he bought in LA Chinatown when it was raining. The hat was cheaper than an umbrella and kept him fairly dry. He decided to keep it and bring it home.
On the bus, my wife strikes up a conversation with a couple seated across about where we all had been. One of their kids misunderstood and thought we had been to China.
My wife, ever the eager and inclusive conversationalist, was sitting next to an asian lady and wanted to bring her in to the discussion. This lady had not yet said a word, but my wife goes “are you from China?”
The lady replies, in the dryest, most unaccented, go-to-hell way “No, I’m from Austin”. End of conversation
You had to probably be there, but it’s definitely a part of family legend now
Lol, looks like someone’s horning in on Tiny Duck’s turf.
The current mayor of New York, who is not known to have ever set foot in a museum, threw in a last-minute inclusion-rider type thing to the budget, such that now museums won't get city money if they don't hire minorities in huge numbers.
The programs that teach curation, a graduate-level degree, have few minorities in them, so the pipeline is empty, but as I said, even if there are minorities in the applicant pool, they may not be the best at the job.
The writer wrote of a recent controversy at the Noguchi, which was navigating a delicate transition from a private foundation to a public nonprofit. The director decided to spend all her time on making the Noguchi a "sanctuary gallery," whatever the heck that is. Why is a gallery devoted to a Japanese sculptor harboring illegal aliens? The directors convened and out she went to be replaced by another director.Replies: @Pericles
Better named ‘free-rider’.
FOLLOW UP to that lesbian driving a camperful of black adoptees off a cliff, police now say she was drunk.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/crime/article/Police-Woman-who-drove-SUV-with-family-off-cliff-12832679.phpReplies: @Pericles
The noble art of writing headlines is lost, except possibly in the UK. Here is my attempt:
The biggest complaints about "where are you from?" come from native-born Americans of Asian descent. Meaning, "where you came from" is the United States.
Also, the majority of the Asian immigrants are legal immigrants. You may not like our legal immigration policy, but legal immigrants were most certainly NOT uninvited. As for unwanted, clearly SOMEONE wanted them here.
How much tact are you supposed to use? Depends on how big a jerk you want to be. Maybe I've been spoiled by living in the Midwest for most of this century, where people tend to at least be nice to your face. Even the ones who screw you over are at least polite about it. I mean, was Paul Ryan ever nasty when he screwed people over?Replies: @Kylie, @Mishra, @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro, @Rosie
More than half the legal immigrants are granted green cards via family reunification … my father was never invited into the United States , he fled Cuba to Spain and later flew to America for a vacation and never left. He the sponsored his Spanish wife…to suggest that my parents were invited into America is not accurate. My mother was invited by her Cuban Husband. In 1999 I married an illegal alien , and sponsored her for a green card… she then sponsored her mother and siblings…
Total # of movies showing Irish treated like Negros in America: 0.
Even Hollywood pulls back from the sort of fantasy Corvanus peddles.Replies: @L Woods, @carol
Even Hollywood knows how stupid the “Irish were treated like negros” BS is.
Maybe the Irish themselves aren’t exactly proud of their treatment back then and would just as soon it be forgotten. I mean, why look like losers? What’s uplifting about that?
If so, it worked out to the better for them rather than wallowing in the past.
Look at it this way. Every accomplished white female with the sticker, “My Children Have Four Paws”, on their car is one more nail in the coffin of their particular country and Western Civilization.
As a principle of a rational morality, if one wills the means, one wills the end. However, feminists typically do not care. They cannot see the big picture. It fits the stereotype of feminists that they are all too often vain and self-centered; it is all about them. At some point, feminism is an adroit excuse for narcissism. At some point, this becomes extreme enough to warrant becoming a DSM-level, dysfunctional mental disorder.
However, I find solace in Darwin and evolution. Since the current generation of feminists is not reproducing in any numbers (if they do have children, they much prefer to adopt a black child from Haiti). The next generation of white women, through the filter of survival-of-the-fittest, will be much more disposed to care about traditional gender roles, children, and the magnificent things that men do for women and their families.
In the meantime, we go about our business. Time, as a principle of Nature, will cure us of the social pestilence of feminists and feminism. They will shortly be wiped from the gene pool.
Read and learn.
Thaddeus Russell explains in his book "The Renegade History of the United States,"
how the Irish "stole all the good jobs" and were "shiftless and lazy" upon arriving on our beautiful shores in the 1850's. They were viewed as the "nonwhite 'missing link' between the superior European and the savage African. Russell notes from a excerpt from the Boston Globe during this decade that "In the popular press, the Irish were depicted as subhuman. They were carriers of disease. They were drawn as lazy, clannish, unclean, drunken brawlers who wallowed in crime and bred like rats. Most disturbingly, the Irish were Roman Catholics coming to an overwhelmingly Protestant nation and their devotion to the pope made their allegiance to the United States suspect."
Noel Ignatiev explains in his book "How The Irish Became White" that “While the white skin made the Irish eligible for membership in the white race, it did not guarantee their admission; they had to earn it.”Replies: @istevefan, @Mr. Anon
You cite Ignatiev as some kind of unimpeachible authority? Are you really that stupid? I guess so.
Ignatiev is a fraud and an anti-white bigot.
He’s full of crap. So are you.
Are you even able to intellectually muster an argument, or are you going to resort to your normal tricks. Refute the actual source material, rather than outright dismiss the author.
But that would take work on your part...Replies: @Mishra, @Mr. Anon
I doubt he even knows what it is.
1960s? In my neck of the woods it went all the way through the 1990s. At least at the late, unlamented Liam’s Tavern.
“…droves of qualified women…”
drove: a herd or flock of animals being driven in a body.
How is that better than “binders full of women”?
Whether they were accepted with open arms by the existing population is another story. Each immigrant group from Europe went through a similar period in which they were viewed with suspicion by the existing population until they weren't.
I recall transferring to my first duty assignment after basic training. I legally was assigned to an infantry company because I had valid orders. But that didn't mean the guys in my new company welcomed me with open arms. I was basically told that as a new member of the unit I needed to keep my mouth shut and ears open, and I endured several shit tests for a period of time until it stopped, and I was one of the guys. But by the time it occurred, I had blended in with them, not the other way around.
Note I changed for the group, not the other way. And so to with early European immigrants who caught hell when they got off the boat with their foreign tongue, distinctive clothing, grooming and other habits. There was a push among those groups to ape WASP behavior as part of the process of their becoming American.Replies: @Corvinus, @WJ
When a recruit reports to Marine Corps boot camp he is not welcomed with open arms. His welcome is a scowl, verbal harassment, physical and psychological deprivations. Of course, it is the break down of the old civilian self but it is also intended to make the recruit feel like this place is worth it and it is place or organization that they aspire to belong to. These days we welcome immigrants with open arms, tell them how much better they are than us and give them government benefits. No wonder they are contemptuous of the USA and it’s residents.
I remember long ago reading a 19th century book about the Andersonville prison camp. One thing that confused me was that the notorious ‘Raiders’ criminal gang were all from New York. WTF was wrong with NYC that produced all these awful people?
It was only years later that I learned that New York in those years was some 40% Irish. The Raiders were Irish. However the book nowhere mentions this. Presumably this was out of respect for the many Irishmen who were loyal patriots and didn’t get involved in criminality. (An early example of political correctness.)
The symbolism is pretty obvious, but why are they doing it in the first place? Aren't they scared that ordinaries will see a lot of truth in it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09z08w3 Available online after broadcast!Replies: @Mishra, @Harry Baldwin
Ian McDiarmid reads the Rivers of Blood speech in its entirety
I’d always heard that no one had a complete text of the speech. Is that not the case?
I pay as little attention to this “wave” business as I do to the boom, X, decamillennial nonsense. Feminism is feminism, socialism is socialism, etc.
Disproportionately law enforcement retirees?
In my case, the correct answer is always North Carolina.Replies: @Rex Little, @Reg Cæsar
I once rode the Dulles shuttle coach to DC. The old driver had an Eastern European accent I wasn’t sure the origin of, given the few words he said. On the odd chance it might have been Finnish, I innocently (if not particularly tactfully) asked him where he was from.
His hackles raised and he said, “I am from Virginia.”
Serves me right for not choosing Reagan, which I’ve done on every other trip. The Metro is essentially automated.
So, apparently it is not OK for a white person to ask another white person who seemingly has a thick Eastern European accent where they are from, because one will receive an utterly rude response.
Well, that's Virginians for you.
Thanks, I can tell my friend he best refrain from any inquiry on this matter.Replies: @Romanian
I pay as little attention to this “wave” business as I do to the boom, X, decamillennial nonsense. Feminism is feminism, socialism is socialism, etc.
These are my kind of WAVES:
English, German, French, Scottish, even Italian and Polish Catholics were hardly ever a problem. They could hold their liquor and, except for some of the French, did not have long-term grudges against the English. The Irish were outliers. It was race war in sectarian clothing.
The Catholic population was less a divisor than a bridge, between two often at-each-others’-throats factions of Protestants.
Also, if you need a middleman group to mediate an intra-group conflict, then you have serious problems. I contend that the middleman group delayes the actual resolution of the conflict, both by inhibiting intra-group accommodation and by trying to permanentize its role.
My grandparents spent several decades traveling around the world, from the 50s to the 80s. In those days, my grandmother said it was VERY common in Europe to get the "where are you from", and find they did NOT mean where in the US. They wanted to peg her based on her European ancestry. The assumption in Europe at the time was that Americans would behave like their European ancestors. Of course that would be politically incorrect now.
One of the weirdest moments came in Ireland. My grandmother grew up in Indian Territory, and had had long black hair in her youth, which she assumed was due to her Cherokee blood. Her father was of Scots-Irish descent. One time my grandmother was in a pub in Ireland, and there was a woman there who looked amazing like her, also with long black hair. The woman asked: "what county are you from?"Replies: @AndrewR, @Hark, hark...the snark
“Black is the Colour of My True Love’s Hair.” A traditional Irish song.
You do realize that you engaged in SJW logic here, right? Besides, who are trying to kid when those deals were decidedly in favor of those invading. Africans and Asians were perfectly content with managing their own civilization without European jackboots on the ground.
"Regarding impartial refugees from conflicts funded by America, is their refugee status the fault of America, or the fault of the societal schisms in place long before US $$$ came into play?"
Those societal schisms were in large part due to American foreign policies, as well as European imperialistic machinations. Do not be a fool.Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Charles Erwin Wilson
“You do realize that you engaged in SJW logic here, right?”
I don’t care whose logic it is. Is it true, or not?
“Besides, who are trying to kid when those deals were decidedly in favor of those invading. Africans and Asians were perfectly content with managing their own civilization without European jackboots on the ground.”
You are over-generalizing here. In many if not most cases there were parties who favored American intervention, and were more than willing to cut deals for American support. Just as in America today, many peoples worldwide are willing to enlist the aid of an outsider to hammer on their ancient tribal enemies.
“Those societal schisms were in large part due to American foreign policies, as well as European imperialistic machinations. Do not be a fool.”
The societal schisms existed long before the Europeans first appeared on the horizon. The Europeans may have aggravated or exploited existing schisms for various purposes, but they had no need to invent what was already extant. Why would one be a fool to doubt that American foreign policies were largely responsible for societal schisms in these areas? Do you have persuasive evidence that demonstrates my foolishness?
In that case, YOU invited them. So they weren’t exactly uninvited.
Nobody said you should like it, or not try to stop the disastrous immigration policy.
However, it IS incorrect to say legal immigrants were uninvited and unwanted. Perhaps not invited nor wanted by you, but you obviously aren’t the one with the power. Our country follows the Golden Rule. You don’t have the gold, so you don’t make the rules.
Reality is often not very fair.
One thing I noticed from the days I used to live in the Northeast part of the US is what ethnic groups would intermarry with what other ethnic groups.
I think a LOT of this has to do with when the various waves of migration occurred, and what neighborhoods they wound up in.
For example, there are a lot of Kraut-Micks in the NE part of the US. Germans, esp. of the Roman Catholic variety, would often intermarry with Irish.
Neither Germans nor Irish would intermarry with Jews. Especially not Irish.
The Italian-Jew combination is rather common. One of the most famous examples is Howard Stern.
But Italians rarely seemed to intermarry with Irish and Germans.
Italians would sometimes intermarry with Hispanics, such as Puerto Ricans.
A lot of this was because the Germans and the Irish came to the US around the same time. Also the Jews and Italians came around the same time.
In NYC at least, the Italian and Jewish neighborhoods were often very close to each other, and sometimes overlapped. I have family in what used to be the border between an Italian and a Jewish area in Brooklyn, so that neighborhood was mixed. Now Asians (esp. Chinese and Vietnamese) and Russians (esp. Russian Jews) have pretty much taken over the place.
Before the 1965 law, there were a LOT more Chinese men than Chinese women in the US. In Hawaii, Chinese men would often marry Native Hawaiian women. For many years there were far more mixed Chinese-Hawaiians in Hawaii than there were pure Chinese and pure Hawaiian combined, and they usually had Chinese surnames.
There are still some Puerto Ricans in NYC with Chinese surnames. Some of the PR women, esp. those who didn’t want to get beaten by drunken philanderers, married Chinese men.
“Not like in an Einstein Brothers bagel shop, where not only is the interior decorating specifically stereotypically Jewish, but they never got the memo about the Frankfurt School being a one-off, and they embrace modern and abrasive art as an essentially Jewish thing. ”
Why do you go there?
Speaking as an MOT, I’ve never been to one of them, in fact, I had to google it to satisfy myself that it even existed outside of your fevered Jew-obsessed mind.
I’m more of a pizza fan, and in every authentic pizza shop I’ve ever been to, there is the same Italianish decor as there is Jewishish decor in Einstein’s. What of it? It would never occur to me to be offended by it.
You’re just offended that Jews exist.
Chik-Fil-A wants to appeal to the general consumer base – it doesn’t have to engage in ethnic marketing. It’s appeals to everyone.
Which was colonized by the British, with the natives properly put in their place and with measures to ensure the financial success of its (white) citizens.
"and the Scandinavian countries don’t send their people around the world to load up on welfare benefits."
You do realize that those nations have an extensive welfare system in place, right?
"And the non-whites for whom you advocate are more invasive and imperialistic than whites. They are just less capable of building and maintaining a civilization."
No, the non-whites did build civilizations. Just not ones with advanced technology. You really get hung up on this notion that European-white civilization is the gold standard. Pro-tip --> It's about human civilization.Replies: @Stan Adams
When whites first came to Africa, the natives were living at roughly the Stone Age level of development.
Can you think of any other historical civilization in which you’d rather live besides this one? Before you answer, make a list of all of the modern conveniences upon which you rely. Chances are that the vast majority of them were invented by whites.
Technological advancements created by European white civilization have made it possible for us to have this little exchange of views, despite the fact that we live hundreds or even thousands of miles apart. Are you saying that you’d rather live in a world where integrated circuits don’t exist?
Do you live in a house that provides full protection from the elements? Does your house have air conditioning? Heating? Do you have running water? Do you have a toilet, a sink, and a shower stall in any of your bathrooms? How about a bathtub? Do you have a stove, a microwave, and a refrigerator in your kitchen? Do you have a toaster? A can opener?
How about a car? Do you have a car? How about a bicycle?
Would you want to live in a civilization that lacked all of these conveniences? (Note that I haven’t even begun talking about luxuries such as television, iPhones, computers, Internet access, and so on.)
Every time you click “Publish Comment,” you are validating the supremacy of European-white civilization. Think about it.
These are my kind of WAVES:
http://www.nww2m.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/WAVESbooklet200001-e1343664484512.jpgReplies: @istevefan
WAVES and WACS should have have never been disbanded.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qoEAAOSwn-tZEssw/s-l300.jpgReplies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
LOL
The admonishment belies the description; you admonish because you know it isn't inevitable...Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
True.
No. You really need to check your facts.
https://www.cato.org/blog/muslims-rapidly-adopt-us-social-political-valuesReplies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
Whom do they vote for Corvinus? The same cabal of grifters, pickpockets, petty thieves, and world-class-steal-the-wealth-of-the-middle-class thieves that you vote for?
Your credentials as an enemy of American citizens cannot be gainsaid. Congratulations. I am sure your pining for a position as a commissar will be rewarded and realized in our Glorious Soviet Future ™.
But we remember Solzhenitsyn, though you either never knew him, or forgot him.
You do realize that you engaged in SJW logic here, right? Besides, who are trying to kid when those deals were decidedly in favor of those invading. Africans and Asians were perfectly content with managing their own civilization without European jackboots on the ground.
"Regarding impartial refugees from conflicts funded by America, is their refugee status the fault of America, or the fault of the societal schisms in place long before US $$$ came into play?"
Those societal schisms were in large part due to American foreign policies, as well as European imperialistic machinations. Do not be a fool.Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Charles Erwin Wilson
So saith the fool. The hat gave you away.
Sorry, that is the perhaps most common stereotype in my experience.
“Your endless pretzel logic would be amusing were it not so hateful.”
Hateful against whom?
Ignatiev is a fraud and an anti-white bigot.
He's full of crap. So are you.Replies: @Corvinus
“You cite Ignatiev as some kind of unimpeachible authority? Are you really that stupid? I guess so.”
Are you even able to intellectually muster an argument, or are you going to resort to your normal tricks. Refute the actual source material, rather than outright dismiss the author.
But that would take work on your part…
Same goes for you. I can see why it appeals to you, given that you are a disingenuous idiot.
These critics don't hate Christianity, they hate success, human accomplishment, and all that is good in the world. And they would relax if they tried the Chik-Fil-A.Replies: @ben tillman
Not since they dropped the cole slaw. I’ll take the kids to the Dwarf House when we fly to Atlanta, but why eat a chicken sandwich without cole slaw?
Why must mayonnaise be in everything? If the chicken tastes that great, why hide it with mayonnaisey cole slaw?Replies: @ben tillman
“That cartoon describes the Irish as white.”
No. The Irish at this time were characterized as beasts or apes.
“If they hadn’t been considered white they wouldn’t have been allowed to settle in America.”
They were considered savages who were sticking their snouts at the gimmedat trough. The Irish had no business here, according to the nativists.
“The problem with them was their clannish and anti-social behavior, which was believed to be due to their religion.”
Not really problems, more like over broad generalizations. And since when does Roman Catholicism breed “anti-social behavior”?
“Anyway all of this is based on faulty/dishonest logic – it’s true that WASPs regarded the Irish as being a different race: Celtic instead of Anglo-Saxon/Germanic, but this has nothing to do with whiteness.”
Except Celtic and Anglo-Saxon/Germanic are NOT races, they are ethnic groups. And it had everything to do with whiteness, or the perception of it.
His hackles raised and he said, "I am from Virginia."
Serves me right for not choosing Reagan, which I've done on every other trip. The Metro is essentially automated.Replies: @Corvinus
“His hackles raised and he said, “I am from Virginia.”
So, apparently it is not OK for a white person to ask another white person who seemingly has a thick Eastern European accent where they are from, because one will receive an utterly rude response.
Well, that’s Virginians for you.
Thanks, I can tell my friend he best refrain from any inquiry on this matter.
Mayonnaise.
Why must mayonnaise be in everything? If the chicken tastes that great, why hide it with mayonnaisey cole slaw?
Exactly so. They assured it was just the evil Confederate Nazis like R.E. Lee and Jeff Davis. Not a single American hero will be left standing if they have their way, and this is entirely by design. Demoralize a people and they’re that much more easily manipulated.
Of course it is. But it has political value as a cudgel to keep white people cowed and divided. By people who hate Anglo-Saxons and Irish.
The Catholic population was less a divisor than a bridge, between two often at-each-others'-throats factions of Protestants.Replies: @Romanian
That applies to the first part of my post, not the second one, which you quoted. Think of Australia and even the US starting to receive X new ethnicities (Greeks, my countrymen and so on so I am not a hypocrite) and imagine how that might dilute the awareness of distinction between them and the world, in the absence of a longer term identity assimilation (as opposed to norm assimilation). Then of course it makes sense to start bringing high functioning outsiders and so on. The slipper slope. Catholicism was simply the day’s flavor of otherness in the US, not that it matters much today. As a sidenote, I do remember seeing in Rome a statue bought by the Italian community of New York to celebrate the unification of Italy under Victor Emanuel the 2nd. I think it was in Garibaldi Park.
Also, if you need a middleman group to mediate an intra-group conflict, then you have serious problems. I contend that the middleman group delayes the actual resolution of the conflict, both by inhibiting intra-group accommodation and by trying to permanentize its role.
So, apparently it is not OK for a white person to ask another white person who seemingly has a thick Eastern European accent where they are from, because one will receive an utterly rude response.
Well, that's Virginians for you.
Thanks, I can tell my friend he best refrain from any inquiry on this matter.Replies: @Romanian
Years ago, I was at a fancy dinner for work in London with quite a number of foreigners of Englishmen and one English gentleman asked a coal Black young woman who was a server where she was from. She very stiffly answered East End or something like that. A few other English gents nearby started laughing approvingly at her retort. I bit down on my answer if only to not have the very foreign staff spit in my food.
It was interesting to watch though – the local people sitting down were either Brits or Indians, while the people serving were Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Africans and a lone Romanian. The staff at my hotel near the MI5 hq was also Subcon, African or Eastern Euro (a lovely Lithuanian girl manned the reception). I was amazed at how foreign the whole area looked within walking distance of Whitehall.
My hat is made of felt, your hat is made of tin.
Can you think of any other historical civilization in which you'd rather live besides this one? Before you answer, make a list of all of the modern conveniences upon which you rely. Chances are that the vast majority of them were invented by whites.
Technological advancements created by European white civilization have made it possible for us to have this little exchange of views, despite the fact that we live hundreds or even thousands of miles apart. Are you saying that you'd rather live in a world where integrated circuits don't exist?
Do you live in a house that provides full protection from the elements? Does your house have air conditioning? Heating? Do you have running water? Do you have a toilet, a sink, and a shower stall in any of your bathrooms? How about a bathtub? Do you have a stove, a microwave, and a refrigerator in your kitchen? Do you have a toaster? A can opener?
How about a car? Do you have a car? How about a bicycle?
Would you want to live in a civilization that lacked all of these conveniences? (Note that I haven't even begun talking about luxuries such as television, iPhones, computers, Internet access, and so on.)
Every time you click "Publish Comment," you are validating the supremacy of European-white civilization. Think about it.Replies: @Corvinus
“When whites first came to Africa, the natives were living at roughly the Stone Age level of development.”
No. African civilizations were decidedly more sophisticated. Please educate yourself on this important matter.
http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199846733/obo-9780199846733-0100.xml
https://observationdeck.kinja.com/5-awesome-african-civilizations-that-arent-egypt-1688047907
http://www.pbs.org/weta/africas-great-civilizations/home/
“Can you think of any other historical civilization in which you’d rather live besides this one?”
It is other than surprising that a person loves their own civilization, so this question truly is an exercise in futility.
“Chances are that the vast majority of them were invented by whites.”
Actually, they were invented by Americans, or the British, or the Germans…ETHNIC groups. NATIONS. Furthermore, without innovations from the “cradles of civilization”–Nile, Mesopotamia, Indus (India), and Yellow River, whites wouldn’t have had a pot to pee in. It’s actually best to describe our advancements as being human in nature. Try it sport, you will be better off for it!
“Technological advancements created by European white civilization…”
Of course, if you want to remain consistent here by having whites take all of the technological credit, then you will have to report how white people have destroyed civilizations, expanded the slave trade, committed genocide, and even murdered their own people post-1492.
“Are you saying that you’d rather live in a world where integrated circuits don’t exist?”
Today’s technology relies heavily on rare earth metals. Africa is thought to contain vast deposits. That continent, if not exploited by greedy whites and yellows, can position themselves to be at the forefront. It’s their natural resources, but back in the day, due to the European inherent nature to rape and pillage and plunder, Europeans found it best to take it from them without just compensation.
https://www.miningreview.com/africas-first-rare-earths-producer-cusp-production/
“Would you want to live in a civilization that lacked all of these conveniences?”
Some people DO prefer a lifestyle that is minimalist. Would you like to know more, citizen?
“Every time you click “Publish Comment,” you are validating the supremacy of European-white civilization. Think about it.”
Corrected for accuracy –> Every time I click “Publish Comment”, we are validating the technological prowess of the human race.
The degree to which black Americans buy into this is a sort of IQ test in itself.
A good exercise is to read about some amazing artifact or site or "civilization" on an Afrocentrism website, and then swing by Wikipedia for "the rest of the story. "Some think that the Babumbo Bone shows markings indicating an independent discovery of integral calculus, but the consensus is that they are gnawings from a hungry warthog."
Henry Louis Gates is not as much of a moron as most Afrocentrists, so the "wonders" that made the cut for his show on PBS were embarrassingly unimpressive.
Would you rather not have the ability to spread your bullshit far and wide? Without modern telecommunications technology, your imbecilic rantings would have very limited currency.
Many African societies never developed written language. (Writing is a technology, you know. The lowly pencil and paper represent thousands of years of human endeavor. Even the rubber eraser was a significant advancement.) How would you feel if your sphere of influence were limited to the range of your spoken voice? Would you be content to be the village idiot in some muddy little hamlet, spouting drunken nonsense in the middle of the night? They were invented by *white* Americans, *white* Brits, and *white* Germans.
However great the achievements of the ancients, the bottom line is that whites created the modern world. The struggle for dominance goes back to Cain and Abel. All civilizations have engaged in wars of conquest at one time or another. (Modern electoral politics is war by more civilized means.)
Life is a zero-sum game. To the victor go the spoils. You can't blame whites for winning.
You moan about slavery. Slavery has been an integral part of nearly every human civilization since the Neolithic Age. (It was widespread in Africa long before whites ever reached the Dark Continent.) Indeed, it was blacks who sold other blacks to whites. Whites didn't invent slavery, but we've done more than any other group to eradicate it. Are you seriously trying to argue that Africans don't rape and pillage and plunder? Clearly you've never been to Detroit (or Malmö, for that matter).
So the greedy whites and yellows marched into Africa and stole everything they could find. Why hadn't the blacks figured out ways to exploit these resources by themselves? Why didn't they develop technology and tactics to fight back against the greedy whites and yellows? Could it have been that they lacked the raw cognitive ability to do so? If you were living a minimalist lifestyle, you wouldn't have access to the Internet. Evidently you have a phone, a tablet, and/or a computer. Presumably you have regular access to electricity.
Do you live in a mud hut? Is your toilet a hole in the ground? Do you drink rainwater?
Also, you address me as citizen. The modern conception of citizenship is inherently Western - as in, white. Africans had absolutely nothing to do with the development of computers and telecommunications. Asians had very little to do with it. It was mainly a white phenomenon.
Whites make up a small minority of the so-called human race, but a large majority of the innovators.Replies: @Corvinus
Oh, my Lord. Is Afrocentrism back? I thought that was killed off in the 1980s. The Phoenicians in Carthage were black?
The degree to which black Americans buy into this is a sort of IQ test in itself.
A good exercise is to read about some amazing artifact or site or “civilization” on an Afrocentrism website, and then swing by Wikipedia for “the rest of the story. “Some think that the Babumbo Bone shows markings indicating an independent discovery of integral calculus, but the consensus is that they are gnawings from a hungry warthog.”
Henry Louis Gates is not as much of a moron as most Afrocentrists, so the “wonders” that made the cut for his show on PBS were embarrassingly unimpressive.
MUST WATCH: Former head of British Armed Forces gets cut off by Sky when he goes off-script on Syria!
https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/984789066569998338Replies: @Kylie
Yet another example of why the late Larry Auster referred to Britain as the “Isle of the Dead”.
Then drones would strike them down. A wild response to a wild question.Replies: @Rosie
Why? They just want a better life. Besides, they’re gonna pay for our pensions.
“The zenith of “civilization , Lagrangian point , was in the 19th Cent . We are currently hurtling back towards chaos .”
Early 19th Century, up to mid-autumn 1828. I trace the beginning of the decline of Western Civilization back to 20 November 1828.
Never wrestle with a pig.
However, it IS incorrect to say legal immigrants were uninvited and unwanted. Perhaps not invited nor wanted by you, but you obviously aren't the one with the power. Our country follows the Golden Rule. You don't have the gold, so you don't make the rules.
Reality is often not very fair.Replies: @Mishra
Then consider saying what you mean, and you won’t be so misleading. What you (clearly) mean is that they were invited and wanted by the people whom you admire, and uninvited and unwanted by the people you don’t. If you’d said what you meant no one would have taken issue with you.
Every poll until comparatively recently showed a large majority of Americans in favor of curtailing the flood of third-world immigrants. Read that sentence again, and maybe it’ll sink in. I respect the majority of people responding to those polls. Apparently, you don’t.
Are you even able to intellectually muster an argument, or are you going to resort to your normal tricks. Refute the actual source material, rather than outright dismiss the author.
But that would take work on your part...Replies: @Mishra, @Mr. Anon
Hundreds of thousands of words have been spent–many right here on this site–documenting Ignatiev as a rabid ‘tribal’ hater of white people. So naturally he’s your hero. No one here needs to regurgitate any of it, especially for the likes of you.
That's more of an opinion.
"So naturally he’s your hero."
No, not a hero. Just a source. Refuse the findings, not the author.
Why do you go there?
Speaking as an MOT, I've never been to one of them, in fact, I had to google it to satisfy myself that it even existed outside of your fevered Jew-obsessed mind.
I'm more of a pizza fan, and in every authentic pizza shop I've ever been to, there is the same Italianish decor as there is Jewishish decor in Einstein's. What of it? It would never occur to me to be offended by it.
You're just offended that Jews exist.
Chik-Fil-A wants to appeal to the general consumer base - it doesn't have to engage in ethnic marketing. It's appeals to everyone.Replies: @J.Ross
Are you saying anti-Semitism means I have to give up bagels and lox? Nobody told me. I must now rethink my life. Everything matzoh is still kosher, right?
This “retarded” opinion is also my experience with numerous relatives and several cultural gatherings.
White phenotypes of every variety abound among people with Irish accents. So many waves of invasion have washed across this small island.
For instance, Liam Neeson is a Catholic from Belfast and looks nothing like the Colin Farrell type being described above. Have you ever seen Domhnall Gleeson?
How about Saoirse Ronan?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Saoirse_Ronan_2015_%28cropped%29.jpgReplies: @J.Ross
https://www.thrillist.com/eat/chick-fil-a-nyc-locations-gay-rights-activists And even the tranny animal-rights wackos have backed off: It is my observation that gay- and tranny-rights activists do nothing but spray feces - figuratively and (disturbingly often) literally. Truthfully, I do find the speciesist lack of diversity in Chick-fil-A's ads disturbing. All we ever see are cows. A truly representative company would include pigs ("Eat les bacin!") and lambs ("Say noe to gyrows!") in its promotional campaigns. I'm baffled by folks who have nothing better to do with their lives than to obsess about where strangers eat lunch. Remember when it was the Left that accused the Right of trying to regulate private behavior? ("What people do with their own time and their own money is no one else's business!")Incidentally, the only Chick-fil-A near me is in a mall food court. It's always very crowded. I do like the chicken, but I haven't been there in a while - my schedule doesn't allow much time for mallratting these days.In fact, the last time I went to the mall was back in January, on the weekend before Martin Luther King Jr. Day. The Microsoft store, of all places, was plastered with huge signs imploring customers to "celebrate" his life.Speaking of MLK, was anyone else surprised to see what a big deal they made of his fiftieth deathday a couple of weeks ago? At least one of my local TV stations interrupted regular programming to cover the anniversary events. I thought it was morbid, to say the least.Replies: @Brutusale
It’s like the three blacks I saw in Starbucks this morning in spite of the fact that their plantation owners tell them they should be boycotting. I actually asked one of them if he heard about the boycott. He nodded, then smiled and shook his head.
Free wifi conquers all!
You do realize that the dominant demographic in true-Blue Massachusetts is Irish, right? A quarter of MA residents have Irish ancestry. I have more Jewish friends who’re conservative than Irish ones.
The biggest complaints about "where are you from?" come from native-born Americans of Asian descent. Meaning, "where you came from" is the United States.
Also, the majority of the Asian immigrants are legal immigrants. You may not like our legal immigration policy, but legal immigrants were most certainly NOT uninvited. As for unwanted, clearly SOMEONE wanted them here.
How much tact are you supposed to use? Depends on how big a jerk you want to be. Maybe I've been spoiled by living in the Midwest for most of this century, where people tend to at least be nice to your face. Even the ones who screw you over are at least polite about it. I mean, was Paul Ryan ever nasty when he screwed people over?Replies: @Kylie, @Mishra, @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro, @Rosie
They clearly know that most White someones don’t want them here. That’s why they vote ~70% Democrat even though the Republicans would be better for their pocketbooks. They know their claim on America is hostile to Whites and adverse to our interests, so White disenfranchisement serves their security interests.
Troll-feeding is an extremely tedious and counterproductive exercise, but here we go:
Yes, yes, yes. You wuz kingz back in the day. Wakanda is the wellspring of human civilization. I’ve heard it all before.
You are using a digital device (a phone, a tablet, a laptop, or a desktop), powered by electricity, to transmit information nearly instantaneously over vast distances. Are you aware that the ability to exchange views in this manner is something new and unique in human history? Are you also aware that the technology that enables this conversation was invented by whites?
Would you rather not have the ability to spread your bullshit far and wide? Without modern telecommunications technology, your imbecilic rantings would have very limited currency.
Many African societies never developed written language. (Writing is a technology, you know. The lowly pencil and paper represent thousands of years of human endeavor. Even the rubber eraser was a significant advancement.) How would you feel if your sphere of influence were limited to the range of your spoken voice? Would you be content to be the village idiot in some muddy little hamlet, spouting drunken nonsense in the middle of the night?
They were invented by *white* Americans, *white* Brits, and *white* Germans.
However great the achievements of the ancients, the bottom line is that whites created the modern world.
The struggle for dominance goes back to Cain and Abel. All civilizations have engaged in wars of conquest at one time or another. (Modern electoral politics is war by more civilized means.)
Life is a zero-sum game. To the victor go the spoils. You can’t blame whites for winning.
You moan about slavery. Slavery has been an integral part of nearly every human civilization since the Neolithic Age. (It was widespread in Africa long before whites ever reached the Dark Continent.) Indeed, it was blacks who sold other blacks to whites. Whites didn’t invent slavery, but we’ve done more than any other group to eradicate it.
Are you seriously trying to argue that Africans don’t rape and pillage and plunder? Clearly you’ve never been to Detroit (or Malmö, for that matter).
So the greedy whites and yellows marched into Africa and stole everything they could find. Why hadn’t the blacks figured out ways to exploit these resources by themselves? Why didn’t they develop technology and tactics to fight back against the greedy whites and yellows? Could it have been that they lacked the raw cognitive ability to do so?
If you were living a minimalist lifestyle, you wouldn’t have access to the Internet. Evidently you have a phone, a tablet, and/or a computer. Presumably you have regular access to electricity.
Do you live in a mud hut? Is your toilet a hole in the ground? Do you drink rainwater?
Also, you address me as citizen. The modern conception of citizenship is inherently Western – as in, white.
Africans had absolutely nothing to do with the development of computers and telecommunications. Asians had very little to do with it. It was mainly a white phenomenon.
Whites make up a small minority of the so-called human race, but a large majority of the innovators.
No, what you heard and what you want to hear are two different things. The fact remains that African civilizations were relatively sophisticated in a number of areas.
"You are using a digital device (a phone, a tablet, a laptop, or a desktop), powered by electricity, to transmit information nearly instantaneously over vast distances. Are you aware that the ability to exchange views in this manner is something new and unique in human history? Are you also aware that the technology that enables this conversation was invented by whites?"
Invented by Europeans and Americans. Not whites. Now, of course if you want to continue with your foolishness, the Transatlantic slave trade, the War on Drugs, Jim Crow, germ warfare, chemical warfare, class warfare...all white inventions.
"Many African societies never developed written language."
Try again.
http://www.taneter.org/writing.html
"They were invented by *white* Americans, *white* Brits, and *white* Germans."
No, they were invented by Americans, or the British, or Germans.
"However great the achievements of the ancients, the bottom line is that whites created the modern world."
Actually, people have used the achievements of past and present societies to develop the human world.
"To the victor go the spoils. You can’t blame whites for winning."
Europeans ethnic groups "winning" after the 1400's.
"Whites didn’t invent slavery, but we’ve done more than any other group to eradicate it."
Actually, Europeans expanded slavery more than any other group. Fortunately, it was Christians who worked to eradicate it.
"So the greedy whites and yellows marched into Africa and stole everything they could find."
Indeed. They needed natural resources for industry. Rather than engage in honest commerce, they stole.
"Why hadn’t the blacks figured out ways to exploit these resources by themselves?"
They were. That's why the jealous Europeans seized them for themselves, rather than share.
"Why didn’t they develop technology and tactics to fight back against the greedy whites and yellows? Could it have been that they lacked the raw cognitive ability to do so?"
Jared Diamond explains why.
"The modern conception of citizenship is inherently Western – as in, white."
No, not white. Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French citezein, alteration (probably influenced by deinzein ‘denizen’) of Old French citeain, based on Latin civitas ‘city’.
Are you done lying, yet?Replies: @Stan Adams
“Hundreds of thousands of words have been spent–many right here on this site–documenting Ignatiev as a rabid ‘tribal’ hater of white people.”
That’s more of an opinion.
“So naturally he’s your hero.”
No, not a hero. Just a source. Refuse the findings, not the author.
Are you even able to intellectually muster an argument, or are you going to resort to your normal tricks. Refute the actual source material, rather than outright dismiss the author.
But that would take work on your part...Replies: @Mishra, @Mr. Anon
Ignatiev believes (or at least claims to) that race is a social construct, rather than a biological reality. That is patently false. It is also deeply unscientific. If he actually believes it, he’s an idiot. If he doesn’t, he’s a cynical liar.
Same goes for you. I can see why it appeals to you, given that you are a disingenuous idiot.
Einstein’s wants to be thought of as Jewish but they really are not, it is just marketing. They are not actually kosher. Since “bagels” are “jewish” it’s like the old Ponderosa and Bonanza and Golden Corral steak houses being “Western”.
CFA uses no religious imagery and even if they did, Stations of the Cross is a Catholic thing and they are fundies. The managers are good at avoiding theological discussions, such as why the Sabbath is now Sunday instead of sundown Friday to sundown Saturday (nowhere in the NT does it say to do that) and how seventh day whatever’s couldn’t own a CFA. I always get it across that the huge pepper grinder they all have on the ketchup counter is known in Paris as a Rubirosa, and why. They just look at you with that look that says they want to do something but dare not.
The micks in Massachusetts, and generally, are “conservative” in certain ways but vote Democrat mostly and have a collectivist ethos in a lot of ways.
Nobody invited my father to America , yet he was able to obtain a green card for his wife….nobody invited my wife here, I met her in NYC while attending college.
I couldn't tell you to the nearest 1000 years when my first ancestors came here, or if there was anyone here before them.
My first white ancestors came in 1620, and were very much NOT invited. At one point Squanto, who had lived in England, took pity on the Pilgrims and kept them from starving to death. Not invited, not wanted, but barely tolerated.
The first of the Liberal family (NOT my real name) was a fellow who never wanted to come here. Not invited, and certainly not wanted, and not even tolerated. He was minding his own business in a pub in Liverpool when the press gangs came. Not much appreciating the life of rum, buggery and the lash, he jumped ship in Boston Harbor, and changed his name to hide from the Royal Navy. We have no idea what his name was in England. His name was John. Not sure what happened to his mates Paul, George and Ringo :-) I get my last name from him.
My last ancestor to come to this land was an officer in the Royal Army during the Revolution. I think he was a quartermaster, and embezzled a chunk of money. Not invited, not wanted, and most certainly not tolerated. Both sides wanted to kill him. He deserted to escape the firing squad. I had other ancestors who were Revolutionary War heroes, but this particular fellow seems to have helped the Patriot cause quite a bit by robbing the British. I am not sure if he switched sides, or just hid out until the war was over. I get my middle name from him.
Interesting to me that I get my middle and last names from men who never wanted to come here in the first place, and deserted when they got here.
CFA uses no religious imagery and even if they did, Stations of the Cross is a Catholic thing and they are fundies. The managers are good at avoiding theological discussions, such as why the Sabbath is now Sunday instead of sundown Friday to sundown Saturday (nowhere in the NT does it say to do that) and how seventh day whatever's couldn't own a CFA. I always get it across that the huge pepper grinder they all have on the ketchup counter is known in Paris as a Rubirosa, and why. They just look at you with that look that says they want to do something but dare not.Replies: @J.Ross
So you initiate conversations about genitalia in public places all but guaranteed to have children present?
None of my ancestors were invited.
I couldn’t tell you to the nearest 1000 years when my first ancestors came here, or if there was anyone here before them.
My first white ancestors came in 1620, and were very much NOT invited. At one point Squanto, who had lived in England, took pity on the Pilgrims and kept them from starving to death. Not invited, not wanted, but barely tolerated.
The first of the Liberal family (NOT my real name) was a fellow who never wanted to come here. Not invited, and certainly not wanted, and not even tolerated. He was minding his own business in a pub in Liverpool when the press gangs came. Not much appreciating the life of rum, buggery and the lash, he jumped ship in Boston Harbor, and changed his name to hide from the Royal Navy. We have no idea what his name was in England. His name was John. Not sure what happened to his mates Paul, George and Ringo 🙂 I get my last name from him.
My last ancestor to come to this land was an officer in the Royal Army during the Revolution. I think he was a quartermaster, and embezzled a chunk of money. Not invited, not wanted, and most certainly not tolerated. Both sides wanted to kill him. He deserted to escape the firing squad. I had other ancestors who were Revolutionary War heroes, but this particular fellow seems to have helped the Patriot cause quite a bit by robbing the British. I am not sure if he switched sides, or just hid out until the war was over. I get my middle name from him.
Interesting to me that I get my middle and last names from men who never wanted to come here in the first place, and deserted when they got here.
Would you rather not have the ability to spread your bullshit far and wide? Without modern telecommunications technology, your imbecilic rantings would have very limited currency.
Many African societies never developed written language. (Writing is a technology, you know. The lowly pencil and paper represent thousands of years of human endeavor. Even the rubber eraser was a significant advancement.) How would you feel if your sphere of influence were limited to the range of your spoken voice? Would you be content to be the village idiot in some muddy little hamlet, spouting drunken nonsense in the middle of the night? They were invented by *white* Americans, *white* Brits, and *white* Germans.
However great the achievements of the ancients, the bottom line is that whites created the modern world. The struggle for dominance goes back to Cain and Abel. All civilizations have engaged in wars of conquest at one time or another. (Modern electoral politics is war by more civilized means.)
Life is a zero-sum game. To the victor go the spoils. You can't blame whites for winning.
You moan about slavery. Slavery has been an integral part of nearly every human civilization since the Neolithic Age. (It was widespread in Africa long before whites ever reached the Dark Continent.) Indeed, it was blacks who sold other blacks to whites. Whites didn't invent slavery, but we've done more than any other group to eradicate it. Are you seriously trying to argue that Africans don't rape and pillage and plunder? Clearly you've never been to Detroit (or Malmö, for that matter).
So the greedy whites and yellows marched into Africa and stole everything they could find. Why hadn't the blacks figured out ways to exploit these resources by themselves? Why didn't they develop technology and tactics to fight back against the greedy whites and yellows? Could it have been that they lacked the raw cognitive ability to do so? If you were living a minimalist lifestyle, you wouldn't have access to the Internet. Evidently you have a phone, a tablet, and/or a computer. Presumably you have regular access to electricity.
Do you live in a mud hut? Is your toilet a hole in the ground? Do you drink rainwater?
Also, you address me as citizen. The modern conception of citizenship is inherently Western - as in, white. Africans had absolutely nothing to do with the development of computers and telecommunications. Asians had very little to do with it. It was mainly a white phenomenon.
Whites make up a small minority of the so-called human race, but a large majority of the innovators.Replies: @Corvinus
“Yes, yes, yes. You wuz kingz back in the day. Wakanda is the wellspring of human civilization. I’ve heard it all before.”
No, what you heard and what you want to hear are two different things. The fact remains that African civilizations were relatively sophisticated in a number of areas.
“You are using a digital device (a phone, a tablet, a laptop, or a desktop), powered by electricity, to transmit information nearly instantaneously over vast distances. Are you aware that the ability to exchange views in this manner is something new and unique in human history? Are you also aware that the technology that enables this conversation was invented by whites?”
Invented by Europeans and Americans. Not whites. Now, of course if you want to continue with your foolishness, the Transatlantic slave trade, the War on Drugs, Jim Crow, germ warfare, chemical warfare, class warfare…all white inventions.
“Many African societies never developed written language.”
Try again.
http://www.taneter.org/writing.html
“They were invented by *white* Americans, *white* Brits, and *white* Germans.”
No, they were invented by Americans, or the British, or Germans.
“However great the achievements of the ancients, the bottom line is that whites created the modern world.”
Actually, people have used the achievements of past and present societies to develop the human world.
“To the victor go the spoils. You can’t blame whites for winning.”
Europeans ethnic groups “winning” after the 1400’s.
“Whites didn’t invent slavery, but we’ve done more than any other group to eradicate it.”
Actually, Europeans expanded slavery more than any other group. Fortunately, it was Christians who worked to eradicate it.
“So the greedy whites and yellows marched into Africa and stole everything they could find.”
Indeed. They needed natural resources for industry. Rather than engage in honest commerce, they stole.
“Why hadn’t the blacks figured out ways to exploit these resources by themselves?”
They were. That’s why the jealous Europeans seized them for themselves, rather than share.
“Why didn’t they develop technology and tactics to fight back against the greedy whites and yellows? Could it have been that they lacked the raw cognitive ability to do so?”
Jared Diamond explains why.
“The modern conception of citizenship is inherently Western – as in, white.”
No, not white. Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French citezein, alteration (probably influenced by deinzein ‘denizen’) of Old French citeain, based on Latin civitas ‘city’.
Are you done lying, yet?
The bottom line is that no one here is going to buy into your Afrocentric white-guilt bullshit. Good luck peddling it elsewhere.Replies: @Corvinus
No, what you heard and what you want to hear are two different things. The fact remains that African civilizations were relatively sophisticated in a number of areas.
"You are using a digital device (a phone, a tablet, a laptop, or a desktop), powered by electricity, to transmit information nearly instantaneously over vast distances. Are you aware that the ability to exchange views in this manner is something new and unique in human history? Are you also aware that the technology that enables this conversation was invented by whites?"
Invented by Europeans and Americans. Not whites. Now, of course if you want to continue with your foolishness, the Transatlantic slave trade, the War on Drugs, Jim Crow, germ warfare, chemical warfare, class warfare...all white inventions.
"Many African societies never developed written language."
Try again.
http://www.taneter.org/writing.html
"They were invented by *white* Americans, *white* Brits, and *white* Germans."
No, they were invented by Americans, or the British, or Germans.
"However great the achievements of the ancients, the bottom line is that whites created the modern world."
Actually, people have used the achievements of past and present societies to develop the human world.
"To the victor go the spoils. You can’t blame whites for winning."
Europeans ethnic groups "winning" after the 1400's.
"Whites didn’t invent slavery, but we’ve done more than any other group to eradicate it."
Actually, Europeans expanded slavery more than any other group. Fortunately, it was Christians who worked to eradicate it.
"So the greedy whites and yellows marched into Africa and stole everything they could find."
Indeed. They needed natural resources for industry. Rather than engage in honest commerce, they stole.
"Why hadn’t the blacks figured out ways to exploit these resources by themselves?"
They were. That's why the jealous Europeans seized them for themselves, rather than share.
"Why didn’t they develop technology and tactics to fight back against the greedy whites and yellows? Could it have been that they lacked the raw cognitive ability to do so?"
Jared Diamond explains why.
"The modern conception of citizenship is inherently Western – as in, white."
No, not white. Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French citezein, alteration (probably influenced by deinzein ‘denizen’) of Old French citeain, based on Latin civitas ‘city’.
Are you done lying, yet?Replies: @Stan Adams
This conversation can serve no useful purpose.
The bottom line is that no one here is going to buy into your Afrocentric white-guilt bullshit. Good luck peddling it elsewhere.
Of course it has a useful purpose. If you are going to repeatedly insist that whites created everything good in this world, then to be consistent in logic and intent, you will have to admit that whites are also responsible for everything bad in this world. OR, you can simply acknowledge that people regardless of their race or ethnicity should take credit or blame for successes and misdeeds.
"The bottom line is that no one here is going to buy into your Afrocentric white-guilt bullshit. Good luck peddling it elsewhere."
It has nothing to do with "white guilt". I'm just trying to keep up with the game you are playing by turning the tables.
I’m from Dublin. The description fits one side of my family (and me) reasonably well, but the other side are blue-eyed reddish-blondes.
White phenotypes of every variety abound among people with Irish accents. So many waves of invasion have washed across this small island.
For instance, Liam Neeson is a Catholic from Belfast and looks nothing like the Colin Farrell type being described above. Have you ever seen Domhnall Gleeson?
How about Saoirse Ronan?
The bottom line is that no one here is going to buy into your Afrocentric white-guilt bullshit. Good luck peddling it elsewhere.Replies: @Corvinus
“This conversation can serve no useful purpose.”
Of course it has a useful purpose. If you are going to repeatedly insist that whites created everything good in this world, then to be consistent in logic and intent, you will have to admit that whites are also responsible for everything bad in this world. OR, you can simply acknowledge that people regardless of their race or ethnicity should take credit or blame for successes and misdeeds.
“The bottom line is that no one here is going to buy into your Afrocentric white-guilt bullshit. Good luck peddling it elsewhere.”
It has nothing to do with “white guilt”. I’m just trying to keep up with the game you are playing by turning the tables.
White phenotypes of every variety abound among people with Irish accents. So many waves of invasion have washed across this small island.
For instance, Liam Neeson is a Catholic from Belfast and looks nothing like the Colin Farrell type being described above. Have you ever seen Domhnall Gleeson?
How about Saoirse Ronan?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Saoirse_Ronan_2015_%28cropped%29.jpgReplies: @J.Ross
Well that’s certainly a large number of people. However, their Irishness is homogeneous, whereas Dylan Moran is the most Irish well-known stereotypical Irish personality, and his hair is black.
@ Stan Adams, #175:
Hmm…
I wonder how many readers (both of the quoted article as well as of this blog) are familiar with what is one of a total of five slang definitions given at the Dictionary.com entry for ‘chicken’:
“a young male homosexual, especially one sought as a sexual partner by older men.”
Let’s ship all the feminists to India, then.
Why must mayonnaise be in everything? If the chicken tastes that great, why hide it with mayonnaisey cole slaw?Replies: @ben tillman
Humans need protein. That doesn’t mean that cabbage and mayo don’t make a chicken sandwich taste better.